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05:12.49Luke771HEY! anyone remember my CD problem? those cd drives were "ro" in /etc/fstab, of course I couldn't write to them
05:13.04blizzo1I just installed linux-image-2.6.17-1, and now I can't insert my wireless card driver.  It says my hotplug scripts aren't right.  What version of hotplug do I need to install to go along with linux-image-2.6.17?
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05:21.34Variadorwhy is grub loading the kernel with the param ro?
05:21.43Variadorshould it or should I remove ro?
05:22.16Variadorliable?
05:22.53peterSVariador: ro is normal
05:22.59Variadorguess so
05:23.00Variadorlol
05:23.04peterS<PROTECTED>
05:23.05peterS<PROTECTED>
05:23.28Variadoris there any way to make it boot quietly? like not show all the output from the kernel?
05:23.41Luke771anyone knows for sure what kind of CPU an AMD Duron is? is it K6 as they said in a forum? or 586 as I heard here? or something else?
05:23.52dabreegsterVariador: There are a bunch of userspace bootsplash packages making their way into unstable and testing
05:23.56peterSLuke771: the durons I know of are K7
05:23.56streuner!k7
05:23.57dpkg[k7] the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips.
05:24.35Luke771Amd dunron 1600, some three years old. is that a k7?
05:24.38Luke771sure?
05:24.42Luke771well then
05:24.48VariadorLuke771 K7 is the AMD equivalent of t a x86 architecture
05:24.56Luke771ok
05:24.58VariadorLuke771 K6 is is old
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05:25.04Luke771what's k6 then?
05:25.09VariadorK* is just how AMD labels their archiotectures
05:25.12VariadorK6 is ancient
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05:25.30Variadora duron 1600 isn't that old
05:25.37dabreegsterI really need something >= 1GHz.
05:25.38Luke771how acient? my box *is* kinda old
05:25.45Luke7713 years
05:25.48VariadorAncient as in before you were using a computer
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05:25.55Variadorthe Duron 1600 is older than 3 years dude
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05:25.58Luke771that's ages in computer time...
05:26.03dabreegsterYay, I own and use an antique!
05:26.08Variadoryou need to learn your hardware
05:26.13Luke771variador I bought it 3 years ago
05:26.21VariadorI got my old 1800 in 2000 dude
05:26.26Variadorthats 6 years ago
05:26.30Luke771for something like 300 euros for a complete machine
05:26.57Variadoroh wait
05:27.01Variadorthe Duron 1600 is newer
05:27.11VariadorAugust 21, 2003
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05:27.35Luke771as I said, I bought this machine for very little money, I'm a poor guy
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05:27.46Variadortrust me you'll never see a K6
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05:27.54Variadora K6 came out about the time of Intel's Celeron
05:27.57Luke771so a amd duron 1600 3 years ago was what I could afford
05:27.59dabreegsterVariador: I own one and I'm using it now.
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05:28.11Variadordabreegster yea but he'll never see one
05:28.12Luke771ok then mine must be a k7
05:28.19Variadoryou can't just easily go out and buy one
05:28.25VariadorK6 was a good CPU
05:28.33Variadormy bud just upgraded from his K6 last month
05:28.37dabreegsterVariador: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor, steaight from cpuid
05:28.44Variadornice
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05:28.58Luke771OK then we spiked it: it's k7
05:29.07VariadorI'm running a K8 3000+ Athlon 64 S939
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05:29.20Variadorgetting ready to scrap it
05:29.21Luke771nice
05:29.27Variadorwell
05:29.29Variadornot scrap it
05:29.33Variadorpush it asside as a server machine
05:29.34Luke771wanna sell it to me?
05:29.39Variadorno lol
05:29.43VariadorI don't sell my PCs
05:29.44Luke771ok
05:29.54Luke771that was worth trying
05:29.56VariadorI still have Dual CPU P100s dual P2s dual P3s
05:30.00Variadorbunch of em
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05:30.17Luke771I still have a 133 in the basement
05:30.20Variadormy mom's using one of my dual p3s
05:30.27dabreegsterHrmm, I need to find somebody with a fastish box who doesn't want it.
05:30.35Luke771I got my mom to switch to liux...
05:30.38Luke771linux
05:30.40VARGUXhey .... anyone make me a user banned???
05:30.59VariadorI might get my mom to switch to linux
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05:31.01Variadorshe seems willing
05:31.07Luke771I installed a dual boot with ubuntu on her machine, after 2 months she wasn't using windows any more...
05:31.09VARGUX... this for 5 minutes..... but... this run for 5 days
05:31.18Talludabreegster: your best shot is to find a new best friend at a bar, who's drunk enough not to realize how much that box is worth ;)
05:31.19Variadori'm switching my laptop over in anticipation of the school board switching to a SuSE server
05:31.24Variadorso I can easily log in and administer it
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05:31.44dabreegsterTallu: Heh. Wouldn't work for me.
05:31.50Talludabreegster: wouldn't?
05:31.59SpeedyGheya guys,
05:31.59Luke771yes, but you might not get the age difference thing: my mom is nea<rly 70
05:32.07dabreegsterTallu: I'd have trouble getting into the bar, firstly.
05:32.31SpeedyGi've got a little problem with fluxbox, when I start it, it seems like its starting with the root's settings, instead of the users settings that I logged in with
05:32.35SpeedyGany idea how I can fix this?
05:32.38Talludabreegster: ahh, okay
05:32.46VariadorGamma:~# dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source && module-assistant a-i alsa-source
05:32.47Variador/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: alsa-source is broken or not fully installed
05:32.48Variador:(
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05:33.08Luke771well, back to the kernel then... I might install the 2.6 and switch to 100% kde or stick to 2.4 and run gnome with some kde in it... or compile my own kernel. I guess the last one is the right thing
05:33.47Luke771But first, I need the 2.4-k7, then we'll see
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05:36.27Luke771OK, I'm off again
05:36.39Luke771l8r
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05:46.12Variadorhow do I mount my NTFS partition for all users to use?
05:47.06SpeedyGin options use 'user'
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05:48.02cw666anyone know why Packages.* is out of date on the debian mirrors?
05:48.04cw666for amd64 anyhow
05:49.02Variadorok
05:49.16Variadorand what package provides you with iwconfig and similar commands?
05:49.22_wallgood
05:49.54SpeedyGiwconfig is for wireless right?
05:49.55cw666wireless-tools or something
05:50.19TalluI can't wait to buy a laptop and install debian on it. :)
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05:51.51Darkhackquick question.  I have the netinst 180 MB version of Debian installed on a computer without internet access.  I have ndiswrapper and the latest 2.6 kernel downloaded and copied over to the partition already.  In order to compile thoughs, all I should need is build-essentials, correct?  I'm going to download the deb on windows and copy it over.
05:52.30Variadorhowcome it won't accept type ntfs?
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05:54.01peterSDarkhack: there are lots of build dependencies for kernel images, if you're wanting to recompile the whole kernel.  for getting ndiswrapper to go, I guess you need one of those ndiswrapper-source packages plus whatever dependencies it lists, including module-assistant
05:54.29peterSDarkhack: think of the pain as a reminder why you only buy hardware whose vendors properly support linux
05:54.57DarkhackI didn't have a choice peter.  I'm using a wireless USB thingymabob.
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05:55.22peterSDarkhack: and your USB thingymabob dropped out of the sky?  or did you go out and buy it?
05:55.42SpeedyGVariador: got ntfs-support in the kernel?
05:55.47DarkhackI bought it.  I don't know of any USB adapters that work natively under Linux.
05:56.14peterSDarkhack: and there may not be any.  you might have to go with PCMCIA for that.
05:56.21cw666ermm.... is there a list of what mirrors are up to date?
05:56.27cw666i would think maybe someone has a page for that?
05:57.15peterScw666: it's a page which would need to be updated every day.  the energy spent tracking _that_ would probably better be spent just making sure all the mirrors were getting updates every day in the first place
05:57.43cw666peterS: maybe, ive seen other projects do this
05:57.45cw666for 10s of mirros
05:57.48cw666mirrors
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05:57.57mahyarwhat is a good countdown timer program?
05:58.00peterScw666: and that's easier than just trying to keep _all_ the mirrors up to date?
05:58.16peterSI mean, the two things are about equally scriptable
05:58.20cw666peterS: if you dont control the mirrors you can only track and report on them
05:58.24DarkhackI'm really close to saying "screw it" and going with Mepis.  I would like to have a pure Debian system though.
05:58.25mahyaryou set 10m and then 10m later it beeps at you
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05:58.43peterScw666: ahh but debian does control the mirrors, by controlling which ones are in the DNS rotation
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05:59.16cw666peterS: well, seems for days now all i ever get are mirrors that have an out-of-date Packages.gz file
05:59.18peterSmahyar: I dunno, I just do   sleep 10m; echo -ne '\a'
05:59.28sepmahyar,    sleep 10m ; beep
05:59.40peterSsep: what package is 'beep' in?
05:59.41sep!win peterS
05:59.44sepbeep
05:59.51sepand you can play music
06:00.07SpeedyGnobody any clue on my problem?
06:00.07mahyarhow about if you want to find out the time it's at in the middle of it?
06:00.18dpkgCongratulations, peterS! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!
06:00.50sepi use it to make the backup machine give horrendusly anoying beeps in uncomfortable frequencies when /someone/ have forgot to swap the backup media...
06:00.57DocOCSpeedyG: I was having network problems when you mentioned it. What is your problem?
06:01.00cw666SpeedyG: wireless-tools
06:01.08Variadoralright
06:01.14Variadornext challenge is to get wifi working
06:01.22SpeedyGi'm having problems with fluxbox not opening the correct menustuff
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06:01.47kikehi everybody
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06:01.55SpeedyGI start xdm, and after that I log in, and then it seems like it has opened the root's menu
06:01.58SpeedyGinstead of my own
06:02.14VariadorSpeedyG whats xdm like compared to gdm and kdm?
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06:02.24liableugly
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06:02.27DocOCSpeedyG: ok, well debian alters the default fluxbox menu behavior to comply with the menu package.
06:02.28Variadorlol
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06:03.43SpeedyGDocOC: but what if I remove some stuff from the menu? it should disappear right? it doesnt :/
06:03.53DocOCSpeedyG: I like to include both the debian menu and my own, and to do so, I create my own menu which I name mymenu, and then I create a menu file called menu and include both my menu and debian's menu using the [include] directive.
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06:04.20roxy_I get this error from tripwire: tripwire[15905]: Integrity Check Failed: File could not be opened.
06:04.33roxy_what file is it talking about ?
06:05.06DocOCSpeedyG: do you have a .fluxbox/menu file?
06:05.24SpeedyGyep
06:05.58SpeedyGbut when I edit that, nothing changes :/
06:06.40DocOCSpeedyG: do you run sarge, or do you run testing or unstable?
06:06.44SpeedyGsarge
06:06.51SpeedyGstable
06:07.00DocOCSpeedyG: try choosing 'reconfigure' from the menu.
06:07.13SpeedyGtried that many times
06:07.15SpeedyGnothing happens
06:07.25DocOCtry choosing restart.
06:07.31SpeedyGsame thing
06:07.42SpeedyGeven a reboot didnt solve any (had to reboot for a new kernel)
06:07.57rshakinquick question i want to mail output of a command how would i do it
06:08.00DocOCSpeedyG: what are the permissions on .fluxbox/menu?
06:08.05rshakinweekly.backup | mail -s "Attention: Daily Back Up Status Email" rshakin@localhost
06:08.11SpeedyG777
06:08.12rshakinthats what i have right now
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06:09.00DocOCSpeedyG: try making it 600
06:09.21DocOCshouldn't need to be executable, nor readable by anyone but you.
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06:10.02SpeedyGstill no luck
06:10.25SpeedyGit's as if fluxbox doesnt even look at it
06:10.31DocOCSpeedyG: try joining #fluxbox, they'll probably know what we are missing.
06:10.44SpeedyGah, good idea :) (didnt know the channel was there)
06:10.58DocOCyeah, idling there myself right now.
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06:11.07SpeedyGgonna take a shower first anyhow :P
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06:12.46sm-afkhi all.. what's a good way to debug problems in a pre/postinst script ?
06:13.15sm-afkI'd like to put a breakpoint, work around the problem manually, and let the package installation continue
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06:14.15sepsm-afk, woudnt it be better to fix the script to let that handle the problem ?
06:14.26sm-afkthat would be good too
06:14.28septhat would benefit everyone, not just yourself.
06:14.46sm-afkI feel this is an unusual situation, caused by my being on a VPS
06:15.13liablesm-afk: set -x, or bash -x script
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06:16.50sepsm-afk, debian usualy thriwes on unusual situations. and the script should be hardened to not fail if at all possible. so i suggest you install the package, and leave it unconfigured. then edit the script to make it detect or work around the problem (take care not to ruin it for other archs) make a diff and post a bug with your diff attached. :)
06:17.07Variadorliable know if its possibly to make Debian boot quietly (no kernel messaged?)
06:17.13sepsm-afk, ofcosue this is all general chitchat since you'v given us zero detail but :)
06:17.31sm-afkliable: I tried set -x then apt-get install initscripts, not much difference
06:17.53smI'm asking a general question partly because this is an ubuntu package
06:18.12evilgeekeh, debian is a disaster in unusual situations, i've noticed.  in the common case, it works like a shot, of course.
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06:18.41smsep, right now I'm just trying to learn how to do that.. I can't even find which exact script is failing yet
06:19.09smI see the unpacked scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info
06:19.17smcan't find the original .deb for some reason
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06:19.40liableVariador: install bootsplash
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06:20.26liablesm: bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.scropt
06:20.41liablescript*
06:20.55evilgeeki didn't even know that bash accepted a -x option.
06:21.17smliable: ah I see.. that's neat
06:22.58smif I run the pre & postinst scripts directly like this, are they likely to leave my system in a weird state ?
06:23.06aryalanyone know why pthread_create() ten times doesn't result in 10 lines of output in 'ps -m'. what i'm not so sure about is if this is a programming issue on my part (more likely) or if this is a case of using the wrong set of switches for ps..
06:23.15smthey both seem to run without a problem this way..
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06:26.04evilgeekpre- and post-installation scripts are liable to leave your system in a weird state whether or not they are run with random bash options.
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06:27.12Zvpunorphaner (from deborphan package) wants to remove tdsodbc but I need the file /usr/lib/odbc/libtdsodbc.so. So far orphaner never tried to remove packages I need what could be done to improve this situation?
06:27.45roxy_how can I reset the local passphrase in tripwire ?
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06:29.30roxy_I tried dpkg-reconfigure tripwire but it only reset the site passphrase
06:29.45Variadorwhen I do grep \"^FIRMWARE_DIR\" /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent I can't find a firmware_dir
06:30.34Zvpunroxy_: maybe it generates certificates and you can use gnupg?
06:30.55roxy_Zvpun: I got gnupg on my machine .
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06:31.20smwell in case it's of interest, initscripts.postinst tries to "Make /var/run a tmpfs, and move everything onto it", but mount -n --move /var/run /tmp/.var.run gives permission denied
06:32.24roxy_Zvpun: but I got a file: /etc/tripwire:home-local.key
06:33.29Zvpunroxy_: I dont know anything about tripwire, sorry
06:33.54roxy_Zvpun: np :-)
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06:41.04CaT[tm]anyone know how to stop epic4 from checking the mailbox on startup?
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06:42.33roxy_I can't purge/install tripwire because it will brake harden, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't reconfigure the local key and I can't do anything without the local key.
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06:43.26Zvpunroxy_: and apt-get reinstall? or removing harden too?
06:44.55varvarwhere can I get the number of linux user for every distrobution?
06:47.02roxy_Zvpun: reinstall gives the same result. tripwire ask for a local passphrase but I never entered one. I need to read the doc one more time :-)
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06:48.09Zvpunvarvar: I kinda doubt that someone has meaningful numbers.
06:48.21floppyearshi does anybody know if there are compiz packages for debian ?
06:48.55liablefloppyears: think you gotta compile, i never found any, though there are ubuntu ones.
06:49.18floppyearsoh :(
06:49.27floppyearsthere are times when being a debian user just sucks :(
06:49.31smyes, I'm guessing mount --move /var/run is just not allowed on this VPS
06:49.31liablefloppyears: i made some debs that work on my system, you can try em, but "no gaurentee"
06:49.42floppyearssure, I'll try them
06:49.50smthat part of the postinst looks harmless.. just commented it out and the package is now installed
06:49.55liablefloppyears: liable.mine.nu/xgl/
06:49.59smhurrah! thanks
06:50.20peterScompizzle
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06:50.41liablefloppyears: the xgl package will overwite xservers man page.. (i am slack at fixing it)
06:51.03liablefloppyears: possibly other shit if you have xorg-dev stuff installed :)
06:51.56floppyearsliable: did you have to use ati propietary drivers or did you use the ones that come with xorg ?
06:52.14TalluWhat's a good program to see per-program or per-user bandwith usage
06:52.17liablefloppyears: doesnt work with xorg ones. you need aiglx for them
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06:53.08floppyearsok, do you know of a good tutorial on how to setup compiz but for debian ?
06:53.19floppyearsI have found a lot of ubuntu stuff, but ubuntu != debian
06:53.46liablefloppyears: i found the freedesktop.org pages helpfull, and the gentoo howto's
06:54.01floppyearsok, thanks
06:54.01roxy_Does someone got a sec to check the tripwire package ? When doing dpkg-reconfigure it asks if I want to create site passphrase and local passphrase. If I answer yes at both, it ask for the site passphrase but never for the local one .
06:54.05SpeedyGDocOC: it was a little error in the .fluxbox/init file, that pointed to /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu instead of ~/.fluxbox/menu
06:54.14liablefloppyears: you will have to compile xorg to use aiglx though (from cvs)
06:54.35floppyearsok, thanks
06:54.49floppyearsthis just sucks. I might just switch my last debian box to ubuntu :(
06:55.20liablefloppyears: just compile it, its not that hard..
06:55.40liablefloppyears: heh, that being said, took me a week of mucking around to get it working :)
06:55.53floppyearsI know, I don't mind the compiling, but then what's the point of using debian ? I mean debian's main point is it's package management system
06:56.14floppyearsit took me 1 day in my ubuntu laptop
06:56.34liableoh well..
06:56.35Variadorwell I seem to be having trouble with ieee and ipw3945
06:56.53liableVariador: what the problem?
06:56.57TalluIt's a shame my school will be using ubuntu. I suppose I'll just have to get used to the idea
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06:57.56Variadorliable make install doesn't seem to wanna go on ipw3945
06:58.04SpeedyGTallu: whats wrong with a school using ubuntu?
06:58.14SpeedyGbetter than nothing at all
06:58.22liableVariador: doesnt it tell you that its disabled and you need to copy the module over?
06:58.23SpeedyGor euhm.. 'red hat'
06:58.46SpeedyGor a broken install of mandrake
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06:58.50SpeedyGas my school did
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06:59.11liableVariador: look in the source dir, there should be an ipw3945.ko file, copy it to your modules dir for that kernel
06:59.34roxy_SpeedyG: my uni was only supporting redhat 7.3
06:59.36Variadorok
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06:59.52TalluI suppose it's okay, and I guess it should be relatively easy to use as well.. from what I've heard atleast
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07:00.05liableVariador: try the load script first and see if it works.
07:00.20Variadorsource dir in modules?
07:00.35Variador2006-08-10 03:00:31: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
07:00.35Variador..done.
07:00.47Variadormight be because I'm not done
07:01.04liableVariador: do you have the .ko file?
07:01.08Variadoryea
07:01.14SpeedyGroxy_: my highschool only 'teached' us red hat... or well, they gave us cd's and let us fuck up our hdds
07:01.20liableVariador: have you installed the daemon and firmware?
07:01.27SpeedyGmy uni has mostly borked mandrake installs
07:01.31SpeedyGand some working debian installs
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07:01.38SpeedyGbut those have to be booted with a bootdisk
07:01.42Variadorliable firmware yes
07:01.47Variadordaemon I believe
07:01.48SpeedyGbecause the wankers cant get the installer right
07:02.00kromhow to obtain "--configure" otpions for a .deb package?
07:02.00Variadoryes I have
07:02.10Variadorliable everything "should" be installed
07:02.12liableVariador: its in /sbin?
07:02.20liableVariador: and its +x?
07:02.35Variadorthe script?
07:02.41peterSkrom: download the source package and look.  apt-get source packagename
07:02.43liablethe daemon
07:02.52kromthanks
07:02.58peterSkrom: the configure options, if there are any (many packages don't use a 'configure' script, obviously!) will be somewhere in debian/rules
07:03.02Variadoryes its +x
07:03.31Variador2006-08-10 03:03:25: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
07:03.51Variadorand thats what its registered as under windows and on the site I found for my laptop model
07:04.05zl2todkrom: dpkg-reconfigure packagename works for many packages, otherwise try looking in /etc/packagename
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07:06.32Variadorliable ideas?
07:06.40liableVariador: sec phone
07:06.49Variadork
07:06.53mr_claus__i upgraded my etch and now the xdmcp server is unwilling my thincilent :/
07:07.02mr_claus__i did not change anything to my configuration files
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07:08.14liableVariador: ok, copy the .ko to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
07:08.31liableVariador: then run depmod -a, then modprobe the module.
07:08.46liableVariador: i take it you have installed the ieee stuff?
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07:10.42Variadorso modprobe module.ko or no .ko?
07:10.43Variadoryes liable
07:10.57liableVariador: modprobe ipw3945
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07:11.37VariadorWARNING: Error inserting ieee80211_crypt (/lib/modules/2.6.17.8/net/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko): Invalid module format
07:11.38VariadorWARNING: Error inserting ieee80211 (/lib/modules/2.6.17.8/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
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07:12.11liableVariador: bah, whats cat /proc/version and gcc -v say?
07:12.35nsxwhat would cause my system to lock up after resuming from an acpi sleep state?
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07:13.10VariadorLinux version 2.6.17.8 (root@Gamma) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 10 00:51:46 EDT 2006
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07:13.21Variadorcat /proc gcc -v?
07:13.28liableno, gcc -v
07:13.28Variador+/
07:13.39Variadorgcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
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07:14.44lehelwhy i get: Segmentation Fault (Core Dumped) on "useradd username" [?]
07:14.47liableVariador: meh. are you sure the ieee stuff compiled without errors? did you say yes to all the options?
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07:15.09Variadoryes I said yes
07:15.15Variadoralthough one confused me
07:15.21vicksplashy is giving me warning that vga=0x317 was not found in /proc/fb
07:15.21Variadorit was saying to comment stuff out
07:15.26Variadorwant me to re-compile it again?
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07:15.32vickHow do i make it available in /proc/fb ?
07:15.41liableVariador: thats ok, yeah, make it again. make clean first
07:16.00VariadorAbove files found.  Remove? [y],n
07:16.05liabley
07:16.07Variadorits listing a bunch of modules
07:16.19roxy_SpeedyG: there was no computer when I was in highschool :-) , I went to uni more than 10 years later :-)
07:16.25wols_lehel: are you running sid?
07:16.34liableVariador: you havent set any cflags or anything have you?
07:16.49SpeedyGhehe :)
07:16.55Variadorno errors
07:17.02Variadorliable not that I know of
07:17.06lehelwols_: no, it's sarge
07:17.11Variadoronly time I've ever dealt with that is in gentoo
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07:17.16vickI am trying to use splashy on debian etch, i'm getting this tho http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JzNBUa97.html
07:17.21vickAnybody have any idea how to fix that ?
07:17.26lehelwols_: what could happened?
07:17.28SpeedyGroxy_: so you were one of the lucky ones that actually did have a teacher in front of the class telling stories instead of telling you to look up your own stuff ;)
07:17.33liableVariador: ok. try loading the ieee80211 module
07:17.49VariadorWARNING: Error inserting ieee80211_crypt (/lib/modules/2.6.17.8/net/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko): Invalid module format
07:17.49VariadorFATAL: Error inserting ieee80211 (/lib/modules/2.6.17.8/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
07:18.42vickwhats "(#) DirectFBError [DirectFBCreate (&video->dfb)]: File not found!" ?
07:18.52vickor /proc/fb
07:19.02Variadorlooks like a framebuffer error
07:19.31liableVariador: hrm, i have run out of ideas.. :(
07:19.37enoufvick: Did you append vga=0x317 to your kernel parameters?
07:19.45vickenouf, No i am not apending anything
07:20.05roxy_SpeedyG: when I was young ... :-)
07:20.12Agrajag-Variador: i haven't been following so dont know what your problem is.. but from that fatal error - check dmesg?
07:20.16enoufvick: what does that mean>
07:20.19enouf>
07:20.21enouf?
07:20.21vickenouf, i just grepped vga from /boot/grub/menu.1st
07:20.28Variadorliable you sure?
07:20.28vickenouf, didn't get except a comment
07:20.32wols_lehel: what is the output of "dpkg -l libc6"?
07:20.51Variadorliable think madwifi drivers would work for my card?
07:20.57enoufvick: edit /boot/grub/menu.1st and append
07:21.07VariadorI've worked with madwifi before
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07:21.18vickenouf, are you sure ?
07:21.18vickheh
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07:21.33enoufvick: look at your own pastebin
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07:21.44liableVariador: madwifi will not, if its a 3945. what version of the ieee subsystem did you get?
07:21.47vickenouf, i did, i pasted it
07:21.47enoufvick: it's asking you -- not I
07:21.57Variadorieee80211-1.1.14
07:21.59vickenouf, That could get rid of the warning tho
07:22.15enoufvick WARN: vga= was not found in /proc/cmdline. Did you append vga=0x317 to your kernel parameters? See README for more
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07:22.33enoufvick: it's asking you -- not I = so do it
07:22.57hjubalciao
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07:23.17enoufvick: IOW it's offering the fix (the way I see it) -- it won;'t hurt anyway -- ou can always edit GRUB from the splash screen
07:23.20mhalldpkg: pty
07:23.20dpkgsomebody said pty was a Pseudo Terminal.  In the 2.2 series, the switch to a ptmx/pts notation started, following unix98 specs, to avoid race conditions
07:23.25mhalldpkg: unix98
07:23.44vickenouf, how do i install this graphical splash screen for grub anyway ?
07:23.56mr_claus__Thu Aug 10 09:22:29 2006 xdm error (pid 4795): cannot open access control file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess, no XDMCP reqeusts will be granted
07:24.02moshiivick: why would you want such a thing?
07:24.07mr_claus__why xdm is looking in /usr for Xaccess?
07:24.14vickmoshii, because it looks cool ?
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07:24.26enoufvick: I thought you had done that already which is causing the error
07:24.42vickenouf, no, the error i am getting is from splashy rather than bootsplash
07:24.53vickenouf, let me restart and retry
07:24.59enoufvick: wait -- you want a GRUB spalsh replacement ?
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07:25.09vickenouf, i don't have splash screen
07:25.17vickenouf, i only have that blue on black screen
07:25.24enoufvick: or a Boot splash coverup of the OS loading
07:25.29vickenouf, i want like picture during boot or something
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07:25.49vickenouf, Both, latter -> splashy, former -> bootsplash, but i can't seem to get them working
07:25.51enoufvick: for which though GRUB Menu or Boor startup messags
07:26.01enoufboot*
07:26.07vickenouf, I want both.
07:26.20enoufvick: alrighty one at a time
07:26.31vickenouf, heh, ok.
07:26.40vickenouf, i'll restart and see if splashy is working now.
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07:26.52enoufvick: for GRUB see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/
07:27.23Variadorwell I'm out for the night
07:27.30enoufvick: for Bootsplash I have no idea, though I thought someone here pointed you in a direction
07:27.51lehelwols_: ii  libc6          2.3.6-7
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07:35.07wols_lehel: this is not sarge
07:35.17wols_it's sid
07:35.19enoufvick: I wouldn't use "splashy" if you friggin PAID ME MILLIONS $$$$ -- can you BELIEVE the gall of their website??!?!?!  a Message Box appears right smack in the middle of page saying ==> [ This message not going away?
07:35.19enoufEnsure Javascript is on and click the box ]
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07:36.34wols_lehel: upgade passwd
07:36.37adiddylol
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07:36.54wols_enouf: which site is this? url?
07:36.54enoufvick: .. oh yeah??? ,...well FSCK YOU B0Z0 !  -- vick...vick -- are you catching this ?? Boycott their A$$
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07:37.25enoufwols nanocrap -- hold on -- here http://www.nanofreesoft.org/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=3&page=1
07:37.40adiddyipd nano?
07:37.59peterSeh, calm down
07:38.02peterSit's only ones and zeroes
07:38.10adiddythats a great gadget
07:38.29enoufI know peterS -- just ranting a but is all and making others aware :-]
07:38.36enoufbit*
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07:39.19adiddyoh nano the editor
07:39.45enoufbreak time -- out for 5 - back soon ...
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07:43.16liable!qotd0
07:43.17dpkgsomebody said qotd90 was <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there
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07:45.27adiddyany one got a mac pro?
07:46.06streuneradiddy: the CPU based on intel?
07:46.18streuneradiddy: otherwise try #debianppc
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07:47.09streuneradiddy: What  does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
07:47.23adiddyhello no
07:47.24Goshawkhi, i've a problem with pbuilder. I'm trying to set up a SID image (so in /etc/pbuilderrc DISTRIBUTION=sid) but i get an error downloading the package slang1a-utf8. I've checked in packages.debian.org and this package is only in stable and oldstable. How can i have a sid pbuilder image?
07:47.25kintaro0ehello guys.whats the difference between .bash_profile and .bashrc? i want to add a path on my $PATH for my account.any advice?
07:47.47adiddymac pro its the old g5 power mac
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07:49.28stylesenHi guys I use debian sarge is there any possiblity to have a 3d desktop in that?
07:49.47stylesenIf so what are the packages I should use.. Please give me some pointers.
07:50.08adiddyhow hard is it to install ubuntu breezy?
07:50.14stylesenBasically I dont want to use xgl and compiz. Is there anything other than that which I can use?
07:50.19cahootkintaro0e: the Invocation section of man bash might be of help
07:50.33kintaro0ecahoot: ah i see..thanks
07:50.34kintaro0e:P
07:50.42streuneradiddy: for us its easy to install debian, ask in #ubuntu for that please.
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07:52.16adiddyeasy was lal i wanted thanks...strenner
07:52.30adiddyjust wanted some one sthoughts on it thanks
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07:54.13stylesenCan anyone throw some light on my question :P
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07:54.55streuner_what was the question again, just disconnected from server...
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07:55.59wols_streuner_: there is LookingGlass from Sun, but afaik that was mostly a tech demo of sorts
07:56.06Psikokiteciao
07:56.12stylesenstreuner: I use debian sarge is there any possiblity to have a 3d
07:56.12stylesen<PROTECTED>
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07:56.22wols_and afaik no 3D desktop is available for sarge
07:56.33streuner_oh
07:56.38stylesenIf so what are the packages I should use.. Please give me some  pointers.
07:56.41streuner_stylesen: no
07:56.46wols_streuner_: sorry. nick complete fsckup as usual :(
07:57.13streuner_stylesen: if you need that you need to use third party sources and make your own debs
07:57.36stylesenHmmm some folks asked me to use a package something like glint (I dont remember the name exactly).. Is there anything like that?
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07:57.47wols_and you will probably need xorg instead of xfree86
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07:58.25wols_glint is a driver for a 3d graphics card from permedia
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07:58.46wols_so maybe you hard 3D hardware acceleration (a prerequisite for all 3d desktop managers)
07:58.49stylesenwill glint be helpful in anyway...
07:59.01wols_only if you have a permedia card. if so, it's required
07:59.08wols_what videocard do you have?
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07:59.45stylesenis there any way to find the videocard in GNU/Linux... Am not so proficient in this
08:00.06streuner_lspci -v | grep -i vga?
08:00.21sanmarcoswonder why I keep getting disconnected
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08:00.45streuner_got a message, server too full
08:01.10streuner_sanmarcos: any news on the freenode website?
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08:01.52streuner_otherwise just ask in #freenode
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08:08.56sanmarcosagain, wtf is wrong with freenode
08:09.11streuner_ask in #freenode
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08:10.28sanmarcoswhat was my quit message?
08:10.38streuner_<-- sanmarcos has quit (Nick collision from services.)
08:10.58sanmarcosah ok, yeah I dont know I get connection reset by server
08:11.33streuner_did you use /msg nickserv ghost?
08:11.50sanmarcosyep
08:12.02streuner_otherwise it wouldn't make sense...
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08:12.12stylesen00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
08:12.37stylesenstreuner: That is my vga card...
08:13.16streuner_liable: ping
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08:15.48liablestreuner_: pong
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08:16.10streuner_can you help stylesen with compiz stuff?
08:16.51streuner_<PROTECTED>
08:17.03streuner_<stylesen>      Basically I dont want to use xgl and compiz. Is there anything other than that which I can use?
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08:17.12liablestreuner_: he said he didnt want to use xgl/compiz
08:17.29streuner_liable: yes, but the issue should be the same
08:17.33liablenever tried 3ddesktop
08:17.41streuner_ah ok
08:18.15liableits in sarge though..
08:18.22liablewhats the problem?
08:18.30Nighteye?
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08:18.53mhalludev breaks *everything*
08:19.06mhallalsa was broken for days on end and i just couldn't figure it out
08:19.16streuner_fine
08:19.20mhallbut then i blew away udev to install discover and hotplug and alsa began to work
08:19.28mhallstreuner_: 'lo!
08:19.33streuner_hey
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08:19.58keymonehello peepl
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08:20.02mhallI've got to go to bed soon I think. I need to IRC more.
08:20.21wolsmhall: down that path lies madness and destruction
08:20.24liablestylesen: whats the actuall problem with 3ddesktop?
08:20.28mhallHow do I further indent a list item to place it under another list item in an HTML <ul>
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08:20.32mhallwols: udev you mean?
08:20.57wolsthat too. I meant IRC actually
08:21.00mhallwols: debian kernels force you to use it so at first you have no choice until you can bootstrap yourself to the level of working gcc and ncurses
08:21.08stylesenliable: I want to get one in my sarge. But I dont want to use xgl and compiz.. Is there any alternative?
08:21.11keymonei need welp with network configuration. can anybody handle this?
08:21.11mhallwols: well in the irc case i'm already quite destroyed
08:21.22mhallwols: i've been a #d regular since 1998 or so
08:21.25wolsmhall: untill you actually install udev from the start, it will suck
08:21.40zl2todthe hotplug - udev transition is a scandal
08:21.42liablestylesen: did you install it?
08:21.47mhalland i'm already a loser who can't get dates so that's mostly settled
08:21.49mhallzl2tod: ?
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08:22.35zl2todchange kernel version by a minor point and everything breaks
08:23.20wolsstylesen: as liable said, 3ddesktop
08:23.38stylesenliable: No I ve tried xgl and compiz in ubuntu but I need to know some other alternative in sarge so that I can start installing
08:23.39wolsbut make sure you have a 3D accelerated videocard driver running and not just VESA
08:24.16liablestylesen: oh, well, the 3ddesktop package is available in sarge, but i have no idea what its like..
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08:25.53liablei thought udev has behaved quite well recently.
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08:26.11liablei am even starting to like it. :)
08:26.11stylesenliable: Oh that is a great news... I ll try to figure out what package it is.
08:26.28liablestylesen: its the '3ddesktop' package :)
08:26.30stylesenliable: After all debian has everything we need :)
08:26.52streuner_stylesen: http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/video.php
08:26.57stylesenliable: oh ok I ll try it :) Thank you.. Am leaving now.. see you guys
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08:27.50liablethat looks pretty cool..
08:27.57stylesenstreuner_: Thanks for the link, I ll look into it...
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08:35.01Alicanteavete tutti il buco spanato
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08:35.45cydork!it
08:35.46dpkgper aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org).  C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
08:36.25JJ|Laptophey Kevin`
08:36.35JJ|Laptopgot a few minutes?
08:36.37Kevin`?
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08:36.41Kevin`I suppose
08:37.33JJ|Laptopi jsut installed ubuntu v5.04 and it apears to have installed well
08:37.45JJ|Laptopatleast until i login
08:38.01JJ|Laptopi logs in fine, shows the banner and plays a song, then freezes
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08:38.10cydorkJJ|Laptop, please join #ubuntu!!
08:38.15Kevin`i'd check the hardware
08:38.19Kevin`hard drive, ram, etc
08:38.26Kevin`and yes, there is an #ubuntu
08:38.37JJ|Laptopi know that
08:38.47JJ|Laptoplast time i was there i think i was nvisible...
08:38.53JJ|Laptop*invisible
08:39.09sanmarcosone does not need to enter a passphrase to encrypt with gpg right, you are just using the receiver;s public key?
08:39.14liableJJ|Laptop: really, it will end in tears if you continue to ask here
08:39.37JJ|Laptopmy computer ran slax fine from live-cd so it was weird
08:40.11JJ|Laptopi meant to talk to Kevin` in ##linux, but got the wrong room
08:40.11Kevin`when it freezes switch to a console and check what's running
08:40.24JJ|Laptophow do i do that?
08:40.33Kevin`ctrl+alt+f1 I assume
08:40.38Kevin`ssh would work too
08:40.38wolsyou do it by talking in ##linux
08:40.39cydorkJJ|Laptop, you know what else is weird, you asking questions about ubuntu here!!!!
08:41.05wolscydork: you know that saying about multiple exclamation marks? relax...
08:41.13Kevin`it does sound like a problem that might be easily fixed by someone with ubuntu knowledge though..
08:41.50cydorkwols, if you say so. I just woke up and am bit grumpy still.
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08:42.29JJ|Laptopntm that i'm using an outdated version of ubuntu
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08:42.47DooMRunneRhi
08:43.07cydork!tell JJ|Laptop aobut based on debian
08:43.19JJ|Laptoplol
08:43.20cydork!tell JJ|Laptop about based on debian
08:43.32streuner_JJ|Laptop: #ubuntu
08:43.33cydorklike i said i just woke up :P
08:43.36JJ|Laptopyes i know that
08:43.51streuner_but you just ignore it
08:44.06JJ|Laptopsince my server is debian migt as well use debian locally
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08:44.33Kevin`yay
08:44.41JJ|Laptopwhich installation method is suggested for beginners
08:44.52Kevin`I suggest the netinstall
08:44.58streuner_JJ|Laptop: /msg dpkg ig
08:44.59Kevin`regardless of expereience
08:44.59cydorkJJ|Laptop, now you are talkin, try netinstall
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08:46.16JJ|Laptopand any idea what kernl the newest debian has?
08:46.36Kevin`I just use kernel.org kernels myself
08:47.01streuner_JJ|Laptop: pdo
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08:47.06wolsJJ|Laptop: depends on the debian branch. if you run a desktop, you should probably run etch which has 2.6.17 or so
08:47.06streuner_!pdo
08:47.07dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
08:47.24JJ|Laptopi need atleast 2.6.17-rc2
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08:47.58streuner_well, you have to roll your own kernel in sarge then
08:48.11streuner_in bpo is 2.6.16, IIRC
08:48.24streuner_but in doubt just check that out at backports.org
08:48.41Kevin`JJ|Laptop I suggest you use etch for a desktop/laptop
08:49.03JJ|Laptopetch...
08:49.13wols!etch
08:49.14dpkgit has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/.  Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
08:50.33JJ|Laptopso is there a ig diff between sarge and etch?
08:50.38JJ|Laptop*big
08:50.52Kevin`yes
08:50.59streuner_sarge is stable
08:51.07streuner_etch is testing...
08:51.22JJ|Laptopso why etch?
08:51.33Kevin`etch is newer
08:51.44streuner_because you have newer packages, in this case the kernel itself
08:52.05JJ|Laptopoksounds good to me
08:52.31JJ|Laptopfyi there was suposed to be an enter after ok
08:53.05JJ|Laptopanother 1/2 hour to dl the iso...
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08:54.39g-hennahi
08:54.48JJ|Laptopyo
08:55.13g-hennahow can i achieve that all files created in a directory are created with mode 664 ?
08:55.46g-hennaor, alternatively, that they are created with a certain user id
08:56.22cydorkg-henna, man find.
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08:57.03sanmarcosg-henna, umask
08:57.14sanmarcosg-henna, help umask
08:57.36g-hennacan i set the umask for a certain directory?
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08:58.59andrew_phello
08:59.15SpeedyGhey guys, all I can find about chkfontpath is that it should be installed with xfs, but i've got xfs installed and cant find chkfontpath... any clues on that?
08:59.28andrew_pis there some kind of 'local' rc-script in Debian to add custom commands to?
08:59.37SpeedyGupdate-rc.d
08:59.52SpeedyGand for the rest, you can write your own ;)
08:59.55wolsSpeedyG: dpkg -L yfs |grep chkfontpath
09:00.07wols*xfs
09:00.13SpeedyGwols: nothing :/
09:00.31wolsthen go to pdo and look where chkfontpath hides, in which package and directory
09:00.49andrew_pthx, SpeedyG
09:01.11SpeedyGwols: whats pdo?
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09:02.15wols!pdo
09:02.16dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
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09:03.39Vyrus001what package has lspci in it?
09:03.49peter__anyone else getting errors like this Failed to fetch http://204.152.191.39/debian/dists/testing/non-free/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch tried a couple of mirrors
09:04.20Vyrus001petemc, did u try an apt-get update ?
09:04.29Vyrus001peter__, *
09:04.39peter__yep, that error comes from apt-get updat
09:04.42peter__e
09:04.47Vyrus001hm
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09:04.58Vyrus001have u tried changeing the sourcer ?
09:05.21peter__yeah, I tried a couple of mirrors, the other one being csua.berkeley.edu
09:05.22Vyrus001i had an err like that before and changing the souce did it... perhaps that source has an old dump
09:06.15liableVyrus001: pciutils
09:06.15cydorkVyrus001, pciutils i guess
09:06.25Vyrus001ah thanx
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09:07.53enoufcydork: "<cydork> wols, if you say so. I just woke up and am bit grumpy still." - but you were so nice to our Italian newcomer , and that counts darnit! :-)
09:08.04SpeedyGwols: I found it in usr/share/man/pl/man8/chkfontpath.8.gz , but how to install it now? since I don't know what that pl/man8 is :/
09:08.12peter__Vyrus001: same error from ftp.us.debian.org to
09:08.26peter__perhaps I can 'clean' the lists?
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09:08.38cydorkenouf, heheh. well i just had a coffee :)
09:08.46wolsSpeedyG: that's a manpage, not the program
09:08.51wolsit's documentatin
09:08.59SpeedyGit's the only thing that I can find :?
09:09.04enoufcydork: going to have some myself now - thankyou :)
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09:09.40wolsSpeedyG: and what package is it in?
09:09.57SpeedyGgot no clue, i've searched but it can't find it
09:10.17wolsif you found the filename on pdo, it also showed you a package name in front
09:10.19wolsno other way
09:10.35cydork!tell SpeedyG about search
09:10.37wolsno, not in front, at the end
09:10.48peter__is it safe to delete contents of /var/lib/apt/lists and do an apt-get update
09:11.00wolspeter__: yes
09:11.18SpeedyGno matter what option I use on pdo, it shows 'package not found'
09:11.35wolsSpeedyG: then that script/program does not exist
09:11.55SpeedyGperhaps i'd install a rpm with alien
09:12.12wolsif you install RPMs on debian, you are on your own, sorry
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09:12.39wolspeople who do that should know what they're doing
09:12.44SpeedyGyeah well, if debian doesnt give me the required packages.. I should go look for other options
09:13.05wolsand converting rpms is the worst option. besids: I doubt that debian won't give you xfs
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09:13.48SpeedyGdebian gives xfs
09:13.55SpeedyGbut no chkfontpath
09:14.17peter__... same message
09:14.18enoufSpeedyG : hold on  a sec
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09:14.37enoufSpeedyG : waiting on apt-file to finish searching
09:14.40peter__what else might affect the actions of apt-get update?
09:14.50cydorkenouf, it's not there.
09:14.59wolspeter__: which branch?
09:15.06peter__wols: testing
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09:15.14enoufSpeedyG : nothing :-( now I'll see about what the man page says about it
09:15.17wolstotally upgraded apt?
09:15.44peter__wols: currently on 0.6.45
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09:16.39enoufSpeedyG : I don't have any man page  :-(
09:16.52SpeedyGthe only I could find was a polish one :/
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09:17.06enoufSpeedyG : what the heck is it dupposed to do anyway
09:17.12enoufsupposed*
09:17.23wolspeter__: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg444330.html
09:17.35cydorkSpeedyG, i think chkfontpath is redhat specific..
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09:17.42Vyrus001is eterm not in use any more ?
09:17.44SpeedyGhttp://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/app-artwiz.html <= systemwide install for fluxbox
09:17.50Vyrus001i cant find it at all in any of the deb packs
09:17.57SpeedyG*font-install
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09:18.08enoufSpeedyG : I assume something with the xfs filesystem ? - read your man pages
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09:18.37enoufSpeedyG : If it's rh specific, what kind of pkg do tyou have ? an rpm?
09:18.51SpeedyGVyrus001: my apt shows me eterm
09:19.07SpeedyGenouf: all I can find are rpms
09:19.11cydorkSpeedyG, you can use /etc/X11/fs/config directly!!
09:19.16SpeedyGand pdo shows me only polish manpages
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09:20.07enoufSpeedyG : Either listen to cydork - or go to the wiki which tells you how to use/turn an rpm into a deb or whatever
09:20.17jetscreameralien
09:20.20peter__wols: ok that worked, damn so all us mirrors are broken?
09:20.29JJ|Laptopor find a deb
09:20.39SpeedyGcydork: what do you mean? :)
09:21.23SpeedyGyou mean like manually edit it, and put that line in there?
09:21.27k31th<PROTECTED>
09:21.28cydorkSpeedyG, well chkfontpath is used to edit that file, and you do that without some stupid program.
09:22.05SpeedyGah, chkfontpath is the red-hat way of 'vim /etc/X11/fs/config'
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09:22.29SpeedyGanyway,got to run.. there's a bus to catch
09:22.32SpeedyGthanks guys
09:22.37cydorkSpeedyG, check man xfs
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09:24.08Vyrus001SpeedyG, when i apt-get it i get an err about it being removed from the repository
09:24.11Vyrus001im on etch u ?
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09:24.42liableVyrus001: is it marked as v?
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09:24.52liable!info eterm etch
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09:25.11cydorkenouf, what are you using? sarge or etch??
09:25.19liablehrm, doesnt exist..
09:25.26enouf<PROTECTED>
09:25.33Vyrus001liable, its not there
09:25.49enoufliable: now cut that out ... I'm remaining open minded :-)
09:25.58liable!why is eterm not in testing?
09:25.59dpkgeterm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=eterm
09:26.01cydorkenouf, adn do you have xfs installed??
09:26.05liableVyrus001: ^^
09:26.17cydorks/adn/and/
09:26.20enouf<PROTECTED>
09:26.38cydorkenouf, yep ...
09:26.42Vyrus001liable, i see eterm themes but no eterm
09:27.16liableVyrus001: see what dpkg just said
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09:27.38enoufdanke
09:29.09enoufliable: whoops about my last comment to you -- thinking something else...doh
09:29.27liableenouf: nm, i ignored it anyway :P
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09:29.52enoufliable: danke :-)
09:30.28JJ|Laptopso is netinst hard to do or easy?
09:30.36RoninJJ|Laptop: easy
09:30.41JJ|Laptopgoody
09:30.49cydorkJJ|Laptop, piece of cake!
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09:32.02kuribasWhich is a better filesystem, ext3 or reiserfs?
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09:32.31cydork!reiserfs
09:32.32dpkghmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features.  See http://www.namesys.com.  It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash.  As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser.  See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems.
09:33.06cydorkkuribas, check the part about crash ^^
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09:33.17enouf^^^ ditto
09:33.25enoufreiserfs
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09:34.04kuribascydork: yes, that was what I was wondering about.  Why haven't they fixed that yet?
09:34.50kuribasAnd doesn't xfs have the same problem because it uses a tree based approach?
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09:35.25cydorkkuribas, i really dont have any exp. with xfs, so cant comment
09:35.37JJ|Laptopok
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09:35.48JJ|Laptopwhat's a good windows burning app that's free?
09:36.14Roninwindows? umm easycd has a trial version as does nero
09:36.17sep!better
09:36.17dpkgit has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
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09:37.02cydorksep, are you talkin about filesystems??
09:37.06sepkuribas,   i feel ext3 is better becouse it's stable.    you may feel reiserfs is better becouse you like excitement and the feeling of imminennt doom.. like a parachutjumper
09:37.29kuribassep: not really :)
09:37.31sepcydork, yes, but aplyable in all cases
09:38.10cydorksep, well i love stability :)
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09:38.16kuribasHowever if I keep my homepage in ext3, then I am safe for what my own data concerns.
09:38.18sepcydork, me too so i run ext3
09:38.48kuribasAre there so many cases of data loss then?
09:38.50wolsonly downside of reiser I've seen so far is: you cannot have any badblocks with your drive
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09:39.19seponly reason i use anything else then ext3 is if i'd require a very spesific feature.
09:39.26wolskuribas: not since a long time, but if people have made up their mind in the beginning, it's hard to change it
09:42.25kuribaswols: yes.  Also when you shut the power down, I suppose there will be always some data-loss because of caching in memory, right?
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09:42.28enoufJJ|Laptop: not that I should but - cdex, and imgburn - IIRC
09:42.42wolsdepends if there is still something to save
09:42.48wolsso you cannot really say
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09:43.40wolsif the last important write was some time ago (e.g. incoming mail, user edited file, etc), then no. usually a missing syslog line is no big deal
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09:44.11wolsbut: what fs you choose is mostly academic
09:44.27liableuntill it crashes and burns :)
09:44.40patcoHi people I hope someone help to fix a package in debian sid that returns an error, it's udev_0.093-1_amd64.deb
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09:45.12wols!bts
09:45.13dpkgbts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/
09:45.22wolsthat's the place for this
09:45.26patcookay
09:45.30enoufmany ppl thorughout the world have power loss issues, and/or unclean power and brownouts - unless you have atleast a UPS - you might want to think about reiserfs
09:45.30patcothanks
09:45.49kuribaswols: you don't think there is a noticable increase in speed?
09:45.54wolsno
09:46.02wolsexcept in corner cases
09:46.07liablekuribas: google reierfs benchmarks
09:46.23wolsnote that to notice speed increases with computers you need AT LEAST 50% more speed than "the other solution"
09:46.34wolsyou hardly if ever get that, especially not from only a filesystem
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09:48.13kuribaswols: Reiserfs does use less space.  For my homedirectory it takes 10% less space then ext3.
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09:48.37kuribasOf course when I need the 10% I'd better by a new harddisk :)
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09:49.37wolsso use reiser. you traded that space efficiency for a little speed loss (which is a perfectly valid tradeoff)
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09:50.40burton82hey someone can help me with my firewall scipt?
09:50.41mha13can i write kernel into my eeprom ?
09:50.59kuribaswols: Uhm, I thought reiserfs was FASTER then ext3...
09:51.27kuribaswols: Actually I went the other way :)
09:52.24burton82I want to use special ports on my linux server. And I have configured it on my linux server but if i do i port scan I cant pass the ports.
09:52.38asgburton82: #iptables
09:53.06burton82yes i know
09:53.08burton82http://nopaste.snit.ch:8002/7897
09:53.16burton82i want 444 open
09:53.29wolsmha13: there are ways. see LinuxBIOS
09:54.06burton82tcp
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09:56.50mha13wols:10q ill google for it ..
09:57.40wolsmha13: you won't be able to do it for your own hardware
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09:58.13weggpodsomeone have certificate deliverinb by cacert.org ?
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10:00.51mateuszHI
10:00.58joeyjoneshey
10:00.59joeyjonesall
10:01.11mateuszwhat should I use for X11 compression ?
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10:01.39joeyjonesinstalling debian by netinst soon
10:01.48mateuszAny ideas ?
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10:02.45cydorkmateusz, X11 compression??
10:03.01wolscydork: for X over dialup for example
10:03.11wolsMarticus: free/NX perhaps
10:03.22cydorkwols, ohh ok ..
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10:03.48digithey all
10:04.01digitI have video issues
10:04.10digithelp please
10:04.27liable!ask
10:04.28dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:04.34digitok
10:05.00digitrunning debian testing kernel 2.6.17
10:05.55digithave a nvidia 6200 pcie card in my machine and I have installed everything correct i think
10:06.18digitit has a bad flicker in the opengl apps games
10:06.30wolswhich driver?
10:06.53digiti have the nvidiaglx
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10:07.30TalluWould it be a bad idea to have cron run a script daily doing apt-get update && apt-get --assume-yes upgrade ?
10:07.39digitI also have mesa libgl packages installed
10:07.53FoxTallu: it would be a very very bad idea
10:07.59TalluFox: hehe ok :P
10:08.37wolsTallu: cron-apt
10:08.39FoxTallu: I have a cron sending me a mail when there are available updates, and I choose if I want these updates, and WHEN :)
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10:09.05digitso what do you think
10:09.14derek_Hi
10:09.55digithi
10:10.51derek_I have 256 MB (192 + 64 shared by the onboard ATI) RAM on my notebook. I'm planning to add another module of 512 MB. Should I wait until I get more memory before installing debian? ..because right now if I do it, the swap partition's size will be smaller, and later I may require it to be larger
10:11.09Talluwols: thanks!
10:11.54digitwols hello
10:12.01amphiderek_: you can make the swap partition whatever size you like
10:12.14liablederek_: you can make it larger, or alternatively, you can make a swap file as opposed to partition
10:12.23derek_I know, but inappropriate size will affect the performance..
10:12.26wolsdigit: if you'd googled, you'd have seen it's a nvidia driver probelm
10:12.33enoufderek: make the swap what you expect it to be after adding more RAM
10:12.38amphiliable: can swsusp use a swap file?
10:12.40enoufderek: No
10:12.41derek_I read that the swap partition's size should be double that of the RAM
10:12.50enoufderek: No
10:13.06enoufderek: to both :-)
10:13.07digitmabe i searched wrong do you have a link
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10:13.18derek_enouf: then what should be it's size?
10:13.20enoufderek: strike three :-)
10:13.21derek_its*
10:13.47liableamphi: oh, the in kernel suspend? i dont know actually. I somehow doubt it.
10:13.48amphidigit: if you want to be able to 'hibernate', you need swap somewhat more than your physical ram
10:14.03amphiliable: I have doubts too
10:14.24seldonsuspend to disk to a file? Errr...that would require the kernel to load the stuff on the disk to be able to read the file that contains the stuff on the disk
10:14.30seldonhen/egg problem
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10:14.35amphiseldon: exactly
10:14.37enoufderek: depending upon your needs -you don;t want tohit swap that much anyway - but make it 1GB on it's own partition (if you expect to use many bloated ,moster apps all at once) -- and 512MB if not
10:14.40digitok
10:14.50enoufs/moster/monster
10:14.57digitso how do i get more swap space
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10:15.12enoufderek: when ?
10:15.19amphiderek_: make it ~1GB if you want to be able to 'hibernate'
10:15.21derek_enouf: when what?
10:15.27enoufderek: You can always resize the partition 0- ut that shouldn't be necessry
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10:15.42enoufbut*
10:15.45derek_amphi: what is that? 'hibernate'?
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10:15.52derek_enouf: ok
10:15.54amphiderek_: 'suspend to disk'
10:16.03liableamphi: apparently its doable
10:16.10derek_enouf: and now with 192MB RAM, if I make the swap 1GB, will it be fine/
10:16.12derek_?
10:16.16amphiderek_: ie. full power down, and restore system state on next boot
10:16.17digitall i want to do is play open gl games
10:16.35derek_amphi: hm.. like the sleep mode? with the hdd turned off?
10:16.47digiti had this working once but undera differnt kernel
10:16.52amphiderek_: with the machine completely powered off
10:16.57narak_just installed debian and case of some issues with my sata controller I went with etch, now I want to add an extra sata 8port raid controller which should be useing sd_mod and hptmv modules.. but for some reason debian loads sata_mv which messes up everything.. how can I for debian to use hptmv ?
10:17.01digitthat kept crashing'
10:17.03seldonA (hopefully) more trivial problem, I somehow messed up my font rendering here and am smoewhat clueless as to what subsystem causes it...looks like this: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6451/bildschirmphoto1et4.png
10:17.04liablederek_: a gig of swap should be fine. if you have the disk space, make it 1 1/2 - 2
10:17.15seldonxterm seems to be unaffected, though. konsole does not - it's a jungle of programs that work and those that don't
10:17.18narak_*for = force
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10:17.51amphiderek_: it writes the state to swap; at next boot, when it frobs the swap partition, if it finds the swsusp signature, it restores the state from swap, and you're back where you were
10:18.08derek_liable: 1 1/2 - 2  <-- sorry, not understood . And I have 15 GB
10:18.15amphiliable: swsusp to a swap file?
10:18.18wlnethi
10:18.22liableamphi: i take that back. swsusp cant, suspend2 apparently can
10:18.27derek_amphi: cool
10:18.28amphiliable: ah
10:18.51wlnetcannot upgrade fr a mirror site. who to feedback to?
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10:18.58amphiderek_: indeed - that's why I have a 2GB swap partition here, for 1.5GB ram
10:19.10enoufderek: ...yes w/192MB -- Linux Kernel manages RAM much better than win - so don;t worry about it -- many ppl think they lose disk space with too large a swap, but disks are huge these days
10:19.10seldonhow does suspend2 do that?
10:19.30amphiseldon: RTFS ;)
10:19.38seldonheh
10:19.46seldonwhen I find the time. and solved this nasty font thingy
10:20.05rodolfoHi, all. I want to read and save my Nokia 6630 phonebook and sms
10:20.11rodolfoPlease any help?
10:20.12amphiI've never used susp2, swsusp seems to work well here
10:20.16derek_enouf: ok =)
10:20.22amphirodolfo: multisync perhaps
10:20.39rodolfoI tried gnokii and obexftp, with no success
10:20.43amphirodolfo: over bluetooth? IR? cable?
10:20.54joeyjonesdoes debian support dual boot with install?
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10:21.06rodolfoamphi: cable
10:21.19sanmarcosjoeyjones, eh?
10:21.38amphirodolfo: dunno about sms, but multisync backs up my old ericsson T39 phonebook nicely over bluetooth
10:21.46wlnetcannot upgrade fr a mirror site. who to feedback to?
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10:21.49Janne_Doehi
10:22.04amphirodolfo: no bluetooth? that was simple to set up, FWIW
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10:22.40rodolfoamphi: I don't know how to handle bluetooth,
10:22.53rodolfoI use cellular as modem
10:23.00rodolfowith usb cable
10:23.04Janne_DoeI'm on debian etch and I have a problem , Kde applications are too slow, i must wait ten minutes to open kate for example...
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10:23.25derek_rodolfo: cool. I am using GPRS for internet on windows.. I wonder how difficult it will be to set up on linux.
10:23.28amphirodolfo: gprs with bluetooth is simple; once you set it up, you use /dev/rfcomm0 as the modem device
10:23.30sanmarcosJanne_Doe, is your machine slow?
10:23.30enoufwlnet - speak french ?
10:23.34Janne_Doeno
10:23.45wlnetenouf: oui
10:23.45Janne_Doejust one year
10:23.49enoufwlnet: or does that mean from ?
10:23.54enouf!fr
10:23.55dpkgwell, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debienfr on irc.freenode.net
10:23.56amphiderek_: not hard at all, and there's info all over the web
10:24.07rodolfoamphi: *once I set it up*: that's the problem
10:24.31amphirodolfo: it's only installing some packages and editing a coupla files ;)
10:24.32wlnetenouf: sorry, that was a joke. i don't speak french.
10:24.38sanmarcosJanne_Doe, do you have swap?, check free -m, df -h, also check with hdparm to see if your hd has dma enabled. Other than that, try gnome, or other environments. or /msg dpkg kde
10:24.44amphirodolfo: and full destructions are easy to find
10:24.47derek_amphi: on windows I use the Bluesoleil bluetooth stack which makes virtual serial ports, DUN, etc. all by itself and then connecting to the internet is just a click
10:24.49enouf!smite wlnet
10:24.55enouf:-)
10:25.00Janne_Doeyeah the swap : 512M
10:25.01wlnethahaa
10:25.10wlnetenouf: u a frog?
10:25.19amphiderek_: I just do 'pon gprs' here ;)
10:25.22Janne_Doeused 0
10:25.23rodolfoamphi: thanks, shall I try multisync, then?
10:25.30enoufribbit
10:25.54wlnetenouf: cannot upgrade fr a mirror site. who to feedback to?
10:26.03amphirodolfo: gnokii should work, I think - I suspect the cable doodah is not setup properly
10:26.13sanmarcoswlnet, the french, obviously
10:26.26wlnetsanmarcos: but why?
10:26.33amphirodolfo: but multisync should work too, with the appropriate plugins
10:26.39sanmarcoswlnet, good quesrion
10:26.51derek_amphi: are you also connected to the internet using GPRS now?
10:26.56amphiderek_: no
10:26.57wlnetsanmarcos: u another funny guy?
10:27.00rodolfoamphi: thanks, bye
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10:27.56wlnetseriously, i failed to upgrade certain packages fr a mirror site but it was ok fr the US site.
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10:28.32amphithis may be of interest: "Of Linux, GPRS Phones, Serial Cable, Irda, Bluetooth and USB", http://kapsi.fi/~mcfrisk/linux_gprs.html
10:28.43wlnetwhy are the frenchies getting so popular here?
10:28.48roxy_!u
10:28.49dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
10:28.51derek_why is everything made for windows :/ ..nokia's CD is for windows only.. its drivers are also for win
10:29.05sanmarcoswlnet, because of zidane
10:29.07derek_amphi: thanks
10:29.10amphiderek_: you don't need that, throw it away ;)
10:29.18derek_:)
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10:29.29sanmarcoswlnet, now I solve my problems like that. I increased my efficency by 300%. My psychologist says I am improving
10:30.08cydorksanmarcos, i wonder what was you efficency before that ;-)
10:30.22sanmarcosit was bad.. it was bad..
10:30.39joeyjonesfuck
10:30.48liableyou
10:30.52amphiheh
10:30.54liable:P
10:31.02sanmarcosd:
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10:31.33amphihow do you get that P rotated through 180 degrees?
10:31.34Sha0hi
10:31.55sanmarcosamphi, its the shit man look d
10:32.01liableomg, theres actually a bash.org quote about that!
10:32.11amphiliable: aye ;)
10:32.31amphiliable: up there with the 'any key'
10:32.38liableindeed :)
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10:33.36liablei have to admit, i had to look twice at that backwards smiley thing, it just doesnt look right..
10:33.41enoufJanne_Doe: is it Only Kate or all KDE apps like kwrite, kedit, konsole and others?
10:33.57amphiliable: you saw a partition? ;)
10:33.58sanmarcosgod I ate too much tiramisu
10:34.20liablehah
10:34.22Janne_Doemany applications konwueror etc
10:34.27sanmarcosjesus saves
10:34.31Janne_Doenot all...
10:34.31enoufsanmarcos: wash it down with a gallon of milk
10:34.32sanmarcospasses to moses. scooore!!
10:34.46Janne_Doekonqueror*
10:34.52harmentalhey...i know it is completely out of topic....but...does anybody know a matlab / simulink channel??
10:34.53enoufJanne_Doe: what does 'free' say ?
10:34.59joeyjonesi can't get linyux installed!!
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10:35.02joeyjones*linux
10:35.15enoufjoeyjones: why not?
10:35.18sanmarcosjoeyjones, try ubuntu, its easier
10:35.23amphijoeyjones: could you be more vague? ;)
10:35.34liablesanmarcos: the installer is the same
10:35.38derek_lol
10:35.44derek_amphi
10:35.47sanmarcosliable, no, dapper is like 3 buttons
10:35.50amphiderek_
10:36.08sanmarcosliable, its a live cd with an install icon on the desktop, fill out two fields, click ok, repartition (it does it easily), and boom
10:36.22sanmarcosliable, they just took debian and polished it
10:36.40liablesanmarcos: hrm, i always found mashing enter to work :)
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10:37.22joeyjoneshhmm
10:37.24joeyjoneslive-cd
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10:37.33joeyjoneswell i already have a broken ubuntu install
10:37.37joeyjonesinstalled
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10:37.47joeyjonessorta freezes after logging in
10:37.59sanmarcoswhy do you want to install linux?
10:38.00derek_gnome :/
10:38.22sanmarcosderek_, funny how almost all vendors choose gnome.
10:38.23joeyjonesbecause i've only ever used linux through ssh
10:38.47sanmarcosand..
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10:38.55joeyjonesseems i can't burn install cds onto dvds
10:39.13enoufliable et al: I have a question that relates 'somewhat' (perhaps) to Janne_Doe's ... what causes the Find (Nobody user) to run once a day at a preset time  == I mean the HDD (older 9.1GB) goes bonkers for a few minutes while it's updating -- is it a Cron job I presume?
10:39.16sanmarcosonce you step into the GNU side, you dont go back joeyjones
10:39.40liableenouf: prolly updatedb
10:39.43epsilonyeah, dont return to unix
10:39.48derek_apt-get is cool
10:39.51Janne_Doeenouf, free says the swap is ok
10:39.54amphienouf: updating the [s]locate db probably
10:39.54Janne_Doeused 0
10:39.57sanmarcosjoeyjones, apt is the best packaging system ever, on any os
10:40.04joeyjoneslol
10:40.13liableenouf: and yes, its a cron job, usually around 6am (depending whether you are on gmt)
10:40.17joeyjoneswindwos doesn't even appear to have a packaging system...
10:40.18sanmarcosjoeyjones, it has been copied by that yum, apt-rpm crap, but it is not the same
10:40.22wolsenouf: of course a cronjob
10:40.31derek_what is cron job?
10:40.34sanmarcosjoeyjones, it does, .msi recently.
10:40.37wolsman cron
10:40.39enoufliable: that's what I thought and that's what i would've suggested fpr Janne_doe - not that it will solve his/her issues - but I notice when I do a sudo updatedb it seems to do the exact same hing
10:40.39sanmarcos!tell derek_ about cron
10:40.39joeyjoneslol
10:40.43joeyjonesnot the same thing
10:40.44enoufthing*
10:40.49joeyjonesis there an msi-get?
10:41.00sanmarcosjoeyjones, no, msi is the microsoft installer, check sourceforge
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10:41.20joeyjonesi nkow
10:41.24enoufliable, wols: thanks... Do you think much harm would occur stopping it ?
10:41.25joeyjonesi'm making fun of it!
10:41.38wolssanmarcos: msi is only the latest in a very long series of installshield installers. installshield 6 or so
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10:41.48enoufliable, wols: I mean I Kill -9 the process if I'm busy -- lke now :-)
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10:41.52enouflike*
10:42.09psticknewols, msi is branded-MS though, supported directly
10:42.13wolsenouf: if you stop cron, yes. if you remove the particular cronjob: no. what will happen is your "locate" database won't be updated
10:42.14enoufamphi: thanks
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10:42.46wolsenouf: kill -9 of cron is a bad idea(tm), killing the updatedb process is no problem
10:42.50enoufwols: so I can just manually update when I'm redy to -- say every few days or more ...and no issues ?
10:42.54sanmarcoscome on, ask questions.. I need to help people with their problems in order to avoid mine..
10:43.00wolsenouf: you
10:43.03wolsyup
10:43.12liableenouf: never use kill 9 unless you have to, i really dont see why you would want to kill it.
10:43.27sanmarcosenouf, check /etc/cron.daily/find
10:43.33amphienouf: or just change the cron job to a ToD that doesn't discommode you
10:43.50psticknekill 9 is especially fun on things that might have to clean up ... like direct disk manipulators such as badblocks in write mode :)
10:43.58enoufliable -- it's really interrupting me when it occurs -- I can easily run sudo updatedb when I'm ready  to :-)
10:44.04sanmarcosenouf, /etc/updatedb.conf also
10:44.18sanmarcosenouf, just put updatedb at 6 in the morning
10:44.25enoufsanmarcos, wols, amphi, liable --thanks - now I have an idea of what and where
10:44.43sanmarcosenouf, check debian-administration.org for the cron tutorial
10:45.53enoufsanmarcos: gotcha - thanks
10:46.48enoufJanne_Doe: still there ?
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10:49.02enoufJust ran updatedb -- feel fresh and clean :-)
10:49.40amphiTHe-PHantom: indubitably
10:50.01amphifor inner cleanliness!
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10:50.04liableno
10:50.18liableyou need a new nick
10:50.24liable!nickometer THe-PHantom
10:50.26dpkg'THe-PHantom' is 27.000% lame, liable
10:50.38THe-PHantom:D
10:50.41liableooh, thats not too bad actually..
10:50.47amphidpkg is going soft in his old age
10:50.54enoufpstickne: I have fsck set to run on every 3 mounts - so it should be alright - thanks for the info, I figured it might as well. Being on Sid, it's obviously not a Server that needs to be up all the time ;-) so I customize and play
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10:51.55enouf!nickometer enouf
10:51.56dpkg'enouf' is 0.000% lame, enouf
10:51.58Ether_Man_lol.. What does dpkg use as a base to decide percentage of lameness on nick
10:52.01enoufHah!
10:52.08liablefsck every three mounts?
10:52.14Ether_Man_!nickometer Ether_Man
10:52.16dpkg'Ether_Man' is 0.000% lame, ether_man_
10:52.17enoufliable -- yep :-)
10:52.23Ether_Man_yay ^_^
10:52.26pstickne!nickometer L443243hax0r
10:52.28dpkg'L443243hax0r' is 99.810% lame, pstickne
10:52.31liablesomeone has changed it..
10:52.53pstickneEther_Man_, does that answer somewhat :)
10:52.59sanmarcosdo people actually defrag ext3?
10:53.06simonrvnno
10:53.11derek_!nickometer derek_
10:53.13enoufliable : Why I have ofcourse :-p
10:53.13dpkg'derek_' is 0.000% lame, derek_
10:53.17simonrvnsome think they need it...
10:53.19sanmarcossimonrvn, why not?
10:53.21enoufliable : Using tune2fs
10:53.30cydorkpeople you can use /msg dpkg
10:53.34THe-PHantomhej i ndeed root ?
10:53.34simonrvnbecause you don't defrag in *nix
10:53.43enoufsanmarcos: not defraggle - fsck
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10:53.50psticknesimonrvn, it has nothing to do with *nix and everything to do with the filesystem.
10:53.50simonrvndon't need* to in*
10:53.55THe-PHantomoo
10:54.01simonrvnduh
10:54.02psticknesimonrvn, eg: if you were running fat16, maybe you'd care :)
10:54.17wolssimonrvn: depends. just use lots of torrents and regularly fill your drives >90%
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10:54.23simonrvni don't, therefore i don't ;)
10:54.35wolsyou will get so much fragmentation, you'd think you ran FAT :)
10:54.42derek_how to defrag ext3 anyway?
10:54.49enoufliable : This is an older clanky HDD - and not too trustworthy if you get my hint -- so...
10:54.53psticknewols, that sounds kinda how my /home looks ...
10:55.11derek_pstickne: how do you see how it looks like?
10:55.14wolsderek_: with defrag, how else?
10:55.14pstickneanyone any thoughts on ubuntu?
10:55.19simonrvnwhat's fragmented here is my ~/ dir structure ;p
10:55.21sanmarcoswhere can I change the frequency of fsck checks for ad rive?
10:55.26wolspstickne: yes, #ubuntu does :P
10:55.32psticknederek_, I was refering to high-levels of usage
10:55.36psticknewols, O.o
10:55.39derek_ok
10:55.50psticknewols, of course they are going to say "get ubuntu", you'll love it, etc, etc.
10:56.04wolsyes. and we say "get debian, you'll love it!"
10:56.11pstickneI'm going to try installing it anyway. I hope it turns out better then slack.
10:56.17psticknewols, yeah, but I have Debian ;)
10:56.22wols_anything_ turns out better than slack
10:56.22simonrvni ignore wols, he tends to be nasty to me for no reason other than he hates me for some unknown reason
10:56.24derek_pstickne: it has more GUI for new users coming from windows
10:56.26pstickneerr, not slack, SuSE
10:56.29cahootsanmarcos: tune2fs (if ext2|3)
10:56.36wolsbut you don't have enough debian if you even contemplate installing ubuntu
10:56.47pstickneslack is still installed... just neglected because aptitude/dpkg/etc are so cool.
10:56.50sanmarcosor touch /forcefsck afaik cahoot, thank you carrot brother
10:57.01derek_SuSE is quite popular
10:57.10pstickneYaST2 is awful. I hate it.
10:57.14cahootsanmarcos: that's a onceover
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10:57.16sanmarcosbecause of novell and all the crap they add to gnome
10:57.19pstickneI also hate how much they "hide". Like the bootup.
10:57.22TipTaphmm if i have a really old box with a shadow file in it that was using Crypt, would it be possible to get authentication to work against an old shadow structure i.e. user.SeK.DAQEIz0AS type passwords
10:57.23wolssimonrvn: if you ignore me, then you better stop answering me. or you need to check your irc client. mirc is bad for you, mkay?
10:57.34sanmarcosooohhh
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10:58.38enoufsanmarcos: sorry you meant "a drive" ...I thought you were making a joke about some weird app -- yes as cahoot said tune2fs
10:58.44derek_pstickne: in dapper they have hidden the info during shutdown too, as I read
10:59.11sanmarcosderek_, its better than debian's horribly ugly and verbose bootup that doesnt apply the lsb init standards
10:59.19derek_who is using mirc? o.o
10:59.21sanmarcosderek_, in my opinion, of course
10:59.26enoufsanmarcos: I set it a little bit back -- think it's the -c and -C options
10:59.35wolssimonrvn: it's not ugly and verbose, it's informative
10:59.53derek_sanmarcos: ok. But I like to see what's going on actually
10:59.59wolsoO(good thing simonrvn ignores me)
11:00.01sanmarcoswols, but for us OCD, it drives us crazy!.. look at all those inconsistencies
11:00.06derek_wols: lol
11:00.13derek_OCD?
11:00.17sanmarcoswols, simonrvn is a "hardcore" here. You do not challenge him.
11:00.17wolsthen FIX those inconsistencies!
11:00.23wolsobsessive compulsive
11:00.29crazy_penguinGood day all!
11:00.43sanmarcoswols, tried, gave up, in fact, I submitedd two bugs and patches to ubuntu fixing init scripts to use the lsb log_* functions
11:00.46derek_wols: you used the wrong nickname
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11:01.00derek_wols: you meant sanmarcos?
11:01.12Foxno he didn't
11:01.18wolssanmarcos: we don't care what ubuntu does with their bootup
11:01.27derek_(16:29:36) wols: simonrvn: it's not ugly and verbose, it's informative
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11:01.36amphisanmarcos: how often do you boot? who cares if it's 'ugly and verbose'? not that I find it so, AFAIR ;)
11:01.40derek_simonrvn didn't say it's ugly, etc.
11:01.45sanmarcoswols, its okay to be angry, I mean
11:01.53Foxmaybe he did then :)
11:01.55sanmarcosamphi, I havent rebooted in 3 months
11:01.58derek_;)
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11:02.18wolssanmarcos: run a headless system. problem solved :)
11:02.20amphisanmarcos: I misread, it was wols I should have responded to, sorry
11:02.33sanmarcoswols, I do
11:02.33amphioh, no I didn't
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11:02.44pstickneis there a cdrecord for dummies?
11:02.46liablesanmarcos: you missed those kernel security upgrades?
11:02.53streunerk3b? :-)
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11:03.10wolsliable: they're local 'sploits, no?
11:03.11sanmarcospstickne, a gui surely, or just man cdrecord
11:03.17amphipstickne: once you setup /etc/default/cdrecord, it _is_ for dummies ;) cdrecord foo.iso & you're done
11:03.21psticknesanmarcos, I am in the man, it's confusing.
11:03.21sanmarcosliable, its not connected to the interweb
11:03.27liablewols: well, yes, local as in you need a shell
11:03.30enoufpstickne: k3b
11:03.30slaqwhere do i put custom stuff that should be started on boot?
11:03.31sanmarcospstickne, the man can be confusing, try man man
11:03.42sanmarcosslaq, /etc/rc.local ?
11:03.46psticknesanmarcos, no, I know how man works. cdrecord is confusing.
11:03.58amphipstickne: WAYTTD?
11:03.59wolsslaq: create a custom script in /etc/init.d/ and symlink it from /etc/rc2.d
11:04.03sanmarcospstickne, it will all become clear
11:04.07slaqsanmarcos, thank you!
11:04.07psticknesanmarcos, 8 pages on luns and other SCSI identifiers and I'm just like: what do I use!!?
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11:04.10sanmarcosslaq, man update-rc.d
11:04.21sanmarcospstickne, just google for the quick answer
11:04.25amphipstickne: use for what? device?
11:04.40liablepstickne: http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/vivek/blogger/2005/09/how-do-i-write-cd-at-debain-linux.html
11:04.48slaqsanmarcos, rc.local seems to be mentioned nowhere...  will it "just work" or do i have to use update-rc.d?
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11:05.01amphi'write-cd-at-debain', huh? ;)
11:05.06sanmarcosslaq, you have to use update-rc.d
11:05.29amphipstickne: there's a cd writing howto at tldp.org
11:05.54Netcad<PROTECTED>
11:05.58liableslaq: rc.local isnt in debian, just make a script and use update-rc.d to get it run at boot
11:06.11slaqok thx
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11:06.53liableslaq: check /etc/init.d/skeleton and README
11:07.02cahootpstickne: this is a good walkthrough on cdwriting: http://howto-pages.org/cdwriting.php
11:07.04liablethats /etc/init.d/README
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11:09.54psticknecdrecord is very interesting.
11:09.56enoufpstickne: k3b and see http://unixarticles.com/articles/50/1/How-to-ripp-and-burn-a-CD--from-the-command-prompt and http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/cdrecording.html.en -- cakewalk :-)
11:11.07derek_k3b?
11:11.24yeagerKDE
11:11.32derek_k
11:11.37liablederek_: its a cd burning app
11:11.44derek_I see
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11:11.59liablefront end, anyway..
11:12.03derek_I used a GUI app that used cdrecord
11:12.06derek_xcdroast or something
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11:12.13liablesame thing
11:12.29liables/same/similar/
11:13.05enoufderek_: ???
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11:14.28derek_enouf: ???
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11:15.15enoufderek_: I saw your k3b? and following -- but you got it answered I see :-) - was busy doing something else
11:15.29derek_ok =)
11:15.59derek_anybody uses pekwm?
11:17.33enoufderek_: never heard of it
11:17.37derek_http://pekwm.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
11:18.46derek_clean
11:19.23enoufderek_: I obvious;ly haven't used it -- but ok .. let's see a WM? ...screenshots look ok :-)
11:20.15derek_:)
11:20.21derek_yeah.. lightweight
11:20.27derek_and slick
11:20.43derek_no, wrong work
11:20.49derek_word*
11:21.50enoufGotta EAT now though .... oK ? bbl
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11:27.15mateuszHi
11:27.51mateuszAny idea how to enable compression over X11 connection ?
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11:29.03mateuszbetween debian(client)->slackware(server)
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11:30.04Shadurmateusz: Eh, I just use X11 forwarding over ssh
11:30.23mateuszShadur: ssh has compression right ?
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11:30.33amphiderek_: looks nice enough - openbox works for me
11:30.46derek_=)
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11:31.52Covenermateusz: lbx?
11:32.09amphimateusz: ssh has compression
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11:32.17Luke771stew: around?
11:32.50joeyjonesetch fails!!!
11:32.51amphimateusz: OTOH, there's the cpu overhead of encrypt/decrypt
11:33.00ShadurAny encryption method worth its salt will compress first. The less redundant information, the better.
11:33.14mateuszShadur: I connect with ssh
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11:33.19mateuszShadur: set DISPLAY
11:33.20amphiwoth its salt, heg
11:33.26amphi*worth
11:33.33Shadurmateusz: Don't set DISPLAY.
11:33.36mateuszShadur: but it works really sloow on connection 2Mbits
11:33.46Coveneraddl latency for the X11 connection may do more harm though
11:34.05ShadurUse ssh's X11 forwarding instead - it should set the proper DISPLAY values automagically.
11:34.07CovenerI find running a vncserver on the remote side and working in there to be much more pleasant
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11:34.19ShadowcatShadur: personally I prefer tightvnc
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11:34.26Shadowcatssh -X is slow over wan
11:34.29mateuszCovener: VNC is too slow
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11:34.36Covenermateusz: compared to what?
11:34.44Shadowcatvnc is faster than ssh -X
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11:35.12mateuszCovener: then I need sth faster than vnc :(
11:35.13Shadowcatif you think vnc is slow maybe you should work on the wan link instead of trying another protocol
11:35.13derek_back
11:35.24simonrvnsanmarcos:  i've been here for longer than both of you (you and wols) combined
11:35.25Shadowcatbecause tightvnc is the fastest that you'll get
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11:35.36JhairShadowcat: why should be ssh -X slow over wan? ssh -X encryption/decryption is performed *before* data is going through the network...
11:35.46derek_now getting back to work
11:35.51DewiI updated my fstab and rebooted, but new drives I added are not appearing after reboot. I can't see any errors in the syslog.... what might I have missed?
11:35.55ShadowcatJhair: because ssh -X sends around 10x more data across wan
11:35.58simonrvnso don't to me about hardcore. there are some that have been longer here than any of us...
11:36.17mateuszShadur: is thightvnc sth diffrent than vnc ?
11:36.23CovenerJhair: because remote X11 sucks and you're only adding latency?
11:36.26ShadurHow should I know? I don't use vnc.
11:36.39Shadowcatand even with tightvnc you can't stream movies across wan
11:36.50derek_I've migrated successfully from Photoshop and Illustrator to Gimp and Inkscape
11:37.17ShadurShadowcat: Yeah, but the router box doesn't have an X server running, so if I want to run ethereal, I'll need to use ssh
11:37.34Shadowcatwho says you need X for tightvnc?
11:37.35CovenerShadowcat: It'd be foolish to run a video player over any remote display protocol, a sane person would push the file over the network
11:37.38Shadowcatit runs it's own fake x server
11:37.42Shadowcatits*
11:37.50sepShadur, tcpdump ?
11:37.52kronozanyone know if amarok 1.4.1 is coming into debian testing soon?
11:38.00simonrvnwir
11:38.44Shadursep: Saving chunks of tcpdump output to file, copying them over to my work box, and running ethereal on them is a hassle, and it doesn't give me the real-time view I need.
11:39.00mateuszShadowcat: is tightvnc something diffrent than debian's vnc4server ?
11:39.16sepShadur, what does etheral do that tcpdump can't ?
11:39.24Covenermateusz: it's probably only marginally different -- if you didn't like the performance of one you won't like the other
11:39.31Shadursep: ... Have you ever *used* ethereal?
11:39.46sepShadur, no but i use tcpdump a _lot_ :)
11:40.02mateuszCovener: I readed that dxpc and lbx are for Low Bandwith X connection like ppp modems...
11:40.10Covenersep: follow a stream, sort etc. grep on stuff like layer 7 protocol info while capturing addl data
11:40.12Shadursep: Protocol analyzers and decoding, on-the-fly filter refining, the "follow tcp stream" trick...
11:40.18TrewasShadur: there is also console version of ethereal called tethereal, though I haven't used it and have no idea how usable it is
11:40.28ShadurTrewas: From my experience, not.
11:41.36zl2todDewi, what happens when you try the mounts manually ?
11:42.04Shadursep: It's also *very* useful if you want to educate your mangler on the importance of using secure protocols. Letting him see the e-mail he sent intercepted on the fly was impressive :)
11:42.25Dewizl2tod: sigh. That's a good idea. :)
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11:42.46sepShadur, well that you can do in tcpdump too, but follow the stream is hard in tcpdump
11:43.35seldonDo you guys happen to know which subsystem of xorg actually draws the fonts?
11:43.44Dewizl2tod: what do I need to make on my root filesystem to do a mount?
11:43.46sepShadur, tcpdump to a netcat stream and pick it up again on your machine adn feed it to ethereal ? (if you haev a FAT pipe to the router in question )
11:43.57Dewizl2tod: does the mount point have to exist as an empty directory?
11:44.25zl2todDewi, you probably know that you don;t need the whole mount command if there is sufficient info in /etc/fstab,  mount dev will do
11:44.30Shadursep: I have a fat pipe to the router in question, yes. But the router in question is even fatter.
11:44.33zl2todDewi, yes
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11:44.49Dewizl2tod: this is probably my problem
11:44.57Dewizl2tod: is it just a plain old empty dir?
11:45.06zl2todDewi, yep
11:45.11Shadursep: Base load is something like 10 megabit; I've seen peak loads of 20 and up.
11:45.25Dewizl2tod: I've only done this once before... aah my poor memory :P
11:45.40ShadurAnd, generally, when I need to ethereal it's generally because there's something wrong going on.
11:45.46zl2todonce more and you'll be an expert ;)
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11:46.02Dewizl2tod: thanks for your help
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11:52.04allefantwhy do core dumps in debian sometimes have a number attached to them?
11:52.38allefant/proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is core and /proc/sys/kernel/core_uses_pid is 0, and still I get numbers attached..
11:53.01c_khiya all, anyone here successfully setup tac-plus or something similar to authenticate users on Cisco devices etc, I know you can buy Cisco Tacacs product but its like £2000 and I only want it for a few routers
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12:21.24cr3is there a way to determine the kernel parameters passed by grub during boot, not only those hard coded in grub.conf but those that might've been passed manually as well
12:22.08blondiegrub.conf? do you mean menu.lst?
12:22.40cr3blondie: yes, sorry. I actually found what I was looking for: /proc/cmdline
12:22.46wolscr3: /cat /proc/cmdline
12:22.49wolsdoh
12:23.05cr3what's the difference between /proc and /sys?
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12:23.42cr3wols: have you learned touch typing?
12:24.10markrguys anyone use ipw2200 wireless on etch?
12:24.23derek_what's that cr3?
12:24.28wolsno. too lazy :(
12:24.39cr3derek_: what's what? touch typing?
12:24.55derek_yes
12:25.00MASToapt-cache search kernel-source <- I can't see kernel-source-2.6.x.x
12:25.05MASTowhy????
12:25.41cr3derek_: typing technique where each finger always uses the same set of keys in such a way that you never have to look at the keyboard
12:26.05sebdgHi all, i have little question... i'm running a bind server for several domains, i have only one public ip so all those domains resolve to that ip, i have multiple servers inside and I don't want them to resolve the public ip... they have to find out which servers handles the domain and on whith internal ip it is ... working with the hosts file is not really nice and is ugly for maintenance,
12:26.22cr3wols: imagine coding with voice rec: ampersand, start, open bracket, 'foo', closebracket, space
12:26.36cr3wols: that would be so painful, especially if you happen to be coding perl :)
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12:26.53wolsif you code perl you're insane in the first place. no loos there then :P
12:27.22cr3wols: I still find it most practical for back-of-the-envelope coding
12:28.56cr3wols: some people compensate for lack of funny chars by using hungarian notation
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12:29.25cr3wols: both insane :)
12:29.29wolsanother thing I never got. but maybe it's nevcessary cause otherwise the win32 api would be even worse
12:29.54wolsbtw: I don't have anything against forced, consistent indentation :)
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12:30.44Codemaster_The only workaround I have found about my problem is to run another bind server with another zone file ... but I seems complicate
12:31.04cr3wols: careful, your python is showing :)
12:31.09zl2todewe - rails is holed, and the patch is causing folks grief too
12:31.13wolsCodemaster_: run dnsmasq for on the internal interface
12:31.16wolsnot as complicated
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12:31.29mariusstcan i set the default owner and group of a created file and folder in a share in samba?
12:31.32mariusstkinda like create mode = 770. only for owner and group
12:31.45Codemaster_I'll try ..... thank for wols
12:31.54Codemaster_thank wols !
12:32.05wolsCodemaster_: put the internal servrenames in a hosts file
12:32.49Codemaster_I don't want to use hosts file 'cause maintenance is too difficult
12:33.07Codemaster_But I'll read about dnsmasq
12:34.11genera_isn´t that called split horizon?
12:34.15wolsdunno if you can then have internal servernames without a hosts file
12:34.19derek_Any German around?
12:34.28derek_What does leistungen mean?
12:34.31wolsbesides: it's only a single hosts file so no maintenance prob imho
12:34.33streuner#debian.de
12:34.37wolsderek_: dict.leo.org
12:34.43sepCodemaster_, i think that's what the views feature of bind is for
12:34.56wolsbenefit normally
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12:35.05derek_cr3: okay. I do touch-typing then =)
12:35.10derek_wols: ok
12:35.31YeTr2I've installed the ATi binary, but I am having issues trying to get xorg to use the ATi binary instead of Mesa
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12:35.55exodusHello
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12:36.21Codemaster_well in fact making a zone .localdomain allows me to create records like www.trol.com.localdomain which resolve in 192.168..... whitch is what i want but when i try ping www.trol.com it still resolves the exteernal even if  put localdomain in resolv.conf as search or/and domain
12:36.36YeTr2anyone have any suggestions? the fglrx driver loads fine
12:36.49exodusI can't find j2re in any repo stable or backports (main, contrib, non-free)
12:36.50Sonderbladei run apt-get install somepkg and it says "Size mismatch" what to do?
12:36.54slaqCodemaster_, use djbdns, much better
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12:37.11Codemaster_sep, i'm googling that right now thanks,
12:37.12wols!java-package
12:37.12dpkgfrom memory, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;
12:37.14exodusYeTr2, what about fglrx? what's your problem?
12:37.30exoduswols, thanks.
12:37.47Codemaster_slaq:  i'm not looking for another nameserver server lol  ;-)
12:37.48YeTr2exodus: I've installed it, I've set it up, and xorg still uses mesa instead of ATi
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12:37.56slaqCodemaster_, you should :)
12:38.00_wallsup
12:38.24exodusYeTr2, are there any errors in Xorg log? (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
12:38.35exodussearch for (EE) strings
12:38.42rikkushttp://rafb.net/paste/results/3TL1rC90.html <- I wanted to keep my config file, but apt overwrote it!
12:38.44exodusYeTr2, what video card do you have?
12:38.45Codemaster_I've already coded ssomething for bind and I don't want to re-wwrite it for another server ;-)
12:38.52_wallfun
12:39.02exodusYeTr2, did you place dri in your xorg.conf?
12:39.15Codemaster_sep : You got it .... Thanks dude. That was exactly what I was looking for
12:39.16seprikkus, your old config will we named config.dpkg-old in the same location
12:39.29rikkussep: I see, thanks. Still, that's pretty bad, eh? :)
12:39.32slaqCodemaster_, what did you code?  just curious :)
12:40.10YeTr2exodus: no errors, just a few warnings - M300 - yes
12:40.14Codemaster_google : "dns bind view" first result
12:40.21seprikkus, yes that would be strange ofcouse o!=O but default was N so it should on no accounts become Y or I
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12:40.53Codemaster_I've written code in .net/mono to create /edit zones
12:40.55xoredis there any way getting a canon PIXMA MP110 printer to work under debian sarge as a network printer ?
12:41.09Codemaster_from a windows sql server database
12:41.17wolsCUPS can do it. samba too
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12:41.32Codemaster_I know .... it's not the right place to tell you about that ..... i feel ashame
12:41.45RichiHwhat is the program that adds mouse support on the ttys, again?
12:41.49xoredwols: yes, that are systes for network sharing, but the driver thing ?
12:41.51Codemaster_That's why I don't told you before ;-)
12:41.57azeemRichiH: gpm
12:42.03RichiHah, yes
12:42.04xoredwols: is cups linux only ? i would have win and linux clients
12:42.10RichiHazeem: and the font support?
12:42.17azeemdunno :-/
12:42.25azeemRichiH: get yourself a real terminal
12:42.26RichiHazeem: sok, thanks :)
12:42.32slaqCodemaster_, hmm.. i think that would be much easier in djbdns but i understand you dont want to port :)
12:42.44RichiHazeem: well, i will install kde eventually
12:42.49sepxored, if it's like the other pixmas it will either support postscript or pcl. print the printers /config/status page and look for pcl or postscrip versions
12:42.51azeemsee above :P
12:42.52rikkussep: never mind, it was replacing /etc/init.d/lighttpd, not /etc/lighttpd.conf ... It just suggested it was doing the latter when it said 'config file'
12:42.57wolsxored: yes cups is *nix only, as is sambe. but you can still access your samba shares from windows, no?
12:43.09Codemaster_But I'll read about djbdns when I 'll have some time ;-)
12:43.32sepxored, cups run on linux, but you can print to cups from windows also
12:43.45xoredwols: samba is running rigth now, its configured and working ( iam using samba for mounting under win and nfs under linux)
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12:44.20wolsxored: you can use cups for over the network printing if you have win2k or up, samba otherwise
12:44.24Codemaster_mmmm .... I have found a perfect how to about BInd views in my own language (french)
12:44.30xoredwols: sep : so cups is linux only, thats clear, i mean the server is debian only thats clear. I mean the clients, msut they be nix to ?
12:44.46xoredwols: its XP / gentoo / debian
12:45.00xoredwols: so using cups would work i guess
12:45.21xoredwols: what about the driver. do i have to use turboprint, which is not free, or are they other drivers ?
12:45.24sepxored, just keep in mind that if you print to a linux cups que installed with the linux printer driver you should use a generic postscript driver on windows. (you can use the same driver for all cups printers) but if you need to use a spesific windows dprinter driver then you must make a dedicated cups que with no driver ( a raw que)
12:46.10sepi use cups printers and i only ever install 1 driver on windows. the generic postscript one. all printers use that driver and it works like a charm. save me a lot of windows printer hassle
12:46.24xoredsep: one second, iam not sure what you mean. If i want to use a PS printer under windows, i have to use a driver on the server with que, otherwise i will have to sue it raw ?
12:46.49YeTr2exodus: anything?
12:47.01xoredsep: so i will not use the "printer driver under linux", right sep ?
12:47.07sepxored, if you have a linux printserver using cups. that you want your windows to print to (using samba), you must either.
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12:47.27RvGaTestoned ?
12:47.34sep1. linux cups driver. windows postscript driver OR linux cups raw que, windows propritary printer driver
12:47.45xoredok got that
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12:47.59sepyou can not use the windows driver and tehn print it to the cups linux driver... it will be just junk
12:48.00mariusshow do i make an init.d service start by default in sarge_
12:48.00xoredsep: what driver do i have to use under linux for a canon Pixma 110 ?
12:48.10wolsxored: for inkjets, always use windows printer driver
12:48.14xoredmariuss: runlevels
12:48.19sepxored, either postscript or pcl. read the printers config/status sheet
12:48.22wolsmariuss: update-rc.d
12:48.27mariussthanks
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12:48.45sepor look at the vendors homepage/pdf for what languages the thing supports
12:48.50xoredwols: wow, is there a init.d update script under debian ? guess i missed something
12:49.00TalluIs there a way to see if my usb ports are recognized by the os?
12:49.01xoredsep: there is no "canon linux driver"
12:49.18wolsTallu: dmesg |grep -u usb
12:49.27wolsor dmesg |grep -i hci
12:49.31wols-i usb
12:49.44wolsxored: www.linuxprinting.org
12:49.49Talluwols: yeah the latter came up with the usb.. thanks :)
12:50.00sepxored, who cares. the printer either understands postscript, pcl, rpls or one of the other standard printer languages.
12:50.06mariusswols: and check if its already in startup_
12:50.13xoredsep: really ?
12:50.27xoredsep: sorry, iam not that advanced in that thing
12:50.45xoredsep: so i can send raw PS to a printer wihtout using a driver, and he will get this ?
12:51.07sep_IF_ the printer understands postscript yes
12:51.11wolsmariuss: look in /etc/init.d/rc2.d for (where the number is your current runlevel) for any files starting with "S"
12:51.20mariussthanks
12:51.21sepi make sure i only buy postscrip or pcl printers.
12:51.26sepsaves a lot of hassle
12:51.31wolsxored: if the printer has a postscript interpreter yes
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12:51.58xoredwols: ok, so what is the way to find this out ? canon ?
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12:52.18wolssep told you 5 times by now. are you really reading?
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12:52.59DarkhackI installed Sarge on a system without internet access.  What would be the easiest way to get build-essentials on it since I can't get online?
12:53.21azeemDarkhack: no CDs?
12:53.33DarkhackI used the 180MB netinst CD
12:53.38xoredwols: yes iam, and sep did not told me how to do that, not once
12:53.45RoninDarkhack: why cant you get it online?
12:53.49wolsDarkhack: apt-zip
12:53.54azeemDarkhack: apt-get  has an --print-uris option, you can redirect that to a file and use e.g. wget to download them
12:54.07wolsxored: 14:48 < sep> xored, either postscript or pcl. read the printers config/status sheet
12:54.12wolswhat were you saying again?
12:54.38xoredyeah okk, i guess this counts 5 times
12:54.42DarkhackRonin: wireless connection and I need ndiswrapper.  I'm going to recompile my kernel and compile ndiswrapper but obviously I need a compiler first.
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12:56.06xoredsep: my printer is supporting postscript
12:56.37sepxored, then just pick any postscript driver.
12:56.56TipTapanyone here have any experience with cyrus-imapd ?
12:56.58xored"any", ok sorry iam not that far
12:57.06xoredchecking linuxprinters
12:57.10wolsTipTap: only a little
12:57.15wolsbest place for it is #cyrus
12:57.21TipTapyeh i'm in there noone responded in the last 2 hours
12:57.33wolsso ask in here. can't hurt
12:57.49xoredtictac: i have a bit
12:58.04enouftictac?
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12:58.35wolsvery taste and gives fresh breath
12:58.40wols*tasty
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12:58.48TipTapwell i've installed cyrus-imapd fine, i've gone to the HOWTO and on there it says to run imtest -u user localhost anyway when i go to auth against it  it says login failed, if i connect via pop3 and type user username it says -ERR [AUTH] Invalid user before i've even typed my password
12:59.13TipTapbut i know the user and password are correct
12:59.48wolsTipTap: how did you install it?
12:59.55wolsand what is your auth mechanism?
13:00.06TipTapvia package, and auth type is via pam
13:00.15sepxored, with a generic postscript driver you get printing to work. but if you want sorting/duplex/stampeling or other advanced features you will need the printers PPD also.
13:00.17wolsso you use system accounts?
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13:00.37wolscause by default, you need to create accounts with cyradm
13:00.42xoredsep: ok, what is PPD ? just dont know this shortcut
13:00.54wolsxored: the printer "driver" so to speak
13:00.56TipTapwell actually authtype is saslauthd and it's PLAIN no i wasn't using a system account
13:01.00TipTapoh
13:01.01xoredwols: ah ok, thank you
13:01.03TipTapcryadm?
13:01.07wolscyradm
13:01.15wolsapt-cache search cyrus21
13:01.18wolsadmin or such
13:01.25TipTapcryadm: command not found
13:01.31wolsI hope you didn't install cyrus 1.x?
13:01.38sepxored, i think it's smoething like PostscriptPrinterDefinition
13:01.38xoredsep: duplex and things are needed, so i think i will not get arround turboprint
13:01.40TipTapbut i dont want ot create accounts i want it to use the the passwd and shadow files
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13:02.41Sonderbladeif you have a repository and there are two versions of the same package in it, how does apt-get decide which one to use?
13:03.07wolsbut you still need to create the mailbox
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13:04.13zl2todSonderblade, it uses the version listed in the package list
13:04.41sepxored, pixma mp110 ?? that tiny thing got duplex ? :)
13:06.20enoufSonderblade: in accordance with the /etc/apt/sources.list file and perhaps others (for further manipulation / fine tuning)
13:06.30Sonderbladeok thanks
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13:07.07enoufSonderblade: 'Others' meaning /preferences and apt.conf, but most don;t nee to mess with those
13:07.15enoufneed*
13:07.16wolsSonderblade: and version numbers
13:07.27TalluDoes anyone know of a good tutorial for setting debian up to work as a vpn server that would allow people to connect to the LAN.. so i'm not looking to connect 2 sites, just clients to the existing lan
13:07.28Sonderbladegot it
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13:13.36fireba11hm .. unusually quiet here today .. did i miss something ?
13:14.33xoredsep: what is all needed for cups ?
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13:15.08sep!cups setup
13:15.09dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db.  Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer.  Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf
13:15.11sepyou mean this ?
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13:16.02xoredgreat, thank you
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13:17.22xoredsep: do i have to use BSD protocoll ? or can i use IPP with winxp / gentoo / debian clients ?
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13:18.17pstickneHow execellent. I install ubuntu and whatever partitioner it had screwed up my partition table.
13:18.24sephttp://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html
13:18.28cahootxored: w2k and xp can communicate directly with cups - via http
13:18.43dvscahoot: how?
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13:18.58xoredsep: thank you a lot, really
13:19.03xoredcahoot: thank you
13:19.10cahootdvs: just create a raw queue on the server and point the win clients to it
13:19.51pstickneNor does it help that this the lamest version of X-chat ever. I guess it's not important to have a userlist these days.
13:20.13cahootpstickne: see the arrow top right?
13:20.18xoredpstickne: xchat got that ?
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13:20.39psticknecahoot: this is xchat-gnome crap in ubuntu. it's like xchat minus every option you might want.
13:20.48seppstickne, why don't you complain about debian in here, and complain about ubuntu in #ubuntu ? :)
13:20.54DarkhackWhich Debian CD has build-essentials on it?  Hell will freeze over before I download 14 CDs.
13:20.58seppstickne, just keep it nice and structured.
13:21.07psticknesep: ehh :p
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13:21.25dvsDarkhack: Do you have an internet connection with Debian?
13:21.41sepDarkhack, why dont you just install directly frmo the mirrors and just ignore the cd's ?
13:21.43DarkhackI did... VMware seems to be pulling a fast one on me and not connecting.
13:21.49xoredsep: hmm, as the server is console only, i would like to setup it though ip:631, but somehow i cant connect, are there any restrictions ?
13:22.08sepxored, yes
13:22.45sepxored, it happens to be described under the "granting permissions" headding on the page i gave you an url to a few lines up
13:22.54xoredsorry
13:22.56xoredmy fault
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13:25.31xoredsep: i do not have a cupsd.conf, i installed all packages you listed above.
13:25.51xoredah, missed cupsys
13:25.52xoredsorry
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13:30.54abrotman!tell Luxxor about away
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13:31.24abrotman!tell Darkhack about cd contents
13:32.01zl2todanyone that's running rails ... disable/patch now or get pwned : http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails
13:32.19DarkhackPlease don't do that... spamming me isn't helping
13:32.37abrotmanzl2tod: and?
13:32.55abrotmanDarkhack: tha'ts not spamming .. that's the bot telling you how to find out which CD it's on
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13:34.00DarkhackI don't need a bot telling me what to do.  Thats the AOL method.
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13:34.22dvsDarkhack: even if it's what you're looking for?
13:34.24abrotmanDarkhack: FFS .. YOU ASKED
13:34.36abrotman<Darkhack> Which Debian CD has build-essentials on it?  Hell will freeze over before I download 14 CDs.
13:34.39abrotmanWTF DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
13:34.49abrotmanthe bot told you how to find out .. if you don't want to know .. don't ask
13:35.07DarkhackNevermind... You'll understand when your older.
13:35.20roxy_Darkhack: nice troll
13:35.24wolsDarkhack: and you understand when/if you're smarter?
13:35.28abrotmanyou'll be thankful when you don't spend five hours looking for the answer
13:35.38sepDarkhack, be careful your realy pusing your luck, with that obnoxious behavior
13:35.58roxy_it is written troll all over it :-)
13:35.59CaT[tm]dark: and you'll understand when you realise that you don't ask the most original questions on the planet.
13:36.17DarkhackI know CaT... I asked a really simple question.
13:36.41CaT[tm]that many many many people ask
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13:36.54PDanihi
13:36.56CaT[tm]those who answer made an automated method of answering a common question
13:37.00CaT[tm]cope or leave.
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13:37.07PDanii tried to use this gnome-power-manager from xfce, but when i tried to suspend or hibernate, i got the following warning on error output (--versbose --no-daemon): (A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected...
13:37.08amphithe concept of FAQ is clearly beyond it
13:37.12PDaniany idea?
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13:38.00DarkhackYou guys remind me of "Linux" in the spoofed Mac commercials.  No wonder people are turned away by Linux users.  When you guys deal with average users on a daily basis you'll understand that this is not the way of helping people.
13:38.10abrotmanthen go back to windows
13:38.13amphiPDani: I have no idea about gnome-power-manager, but running /usr/sbin/hibernate should work
13:38.15DarkhackI am on Windows
13:38.22abrotmani gave you a concise and correct answer .. and you whine
13:38.27DarkhackNo you didn't.
13:38.35roxy_sep: I told you it was a troll :-)
13:38.36dvs!cd contents
13:38.37dpkgTo find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd.  searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php
13:38.38CaT[tm]dark: cope or leave.
13:38.50abrotmanCaT[tm]: try hitting <tab> :)
13:38.58seproxy_, i know !! i just coudnt resist
13:39.06CaT[tm]abrot: I'll do so when I code nick completion into my client :)
13:39.06amphiPDani: or 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' should hibernate the thing
13:39.14abrotmanDarkhack: i most certainly did .. if you're unable to read .. i can't help that
13:39.15zl2todcrikey - looks like some folks need a humour infusion
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13:39.36PDaniamphi: and echo ram... is the suspend-to-ram?
13:39.50amphiPDani: cat /sys/power/state to see options
13:40.03sepDarkhack, we deal with avarage and less then average users each day. is it so bad that we make a bot shortcut to answer questions asked 5 times a day ?
13:40.03sepNOOO he did it again !
13:40.09amphiPDani: one of the two suspend-to-ram-s doesn't work here
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13:40.52DarkhackAverage users have never heard of Linux or Debian.  Most average users haven't heard of Mac/Apple until the iPod become a big hit.
13:41.21abrotmanstill whining
13:41.36amphiDarkhack: in what way was the bot's factoid inadequate?
13:41.59DarkhackIt's not that amphi.  abrotman is doing everything he can to be rude and get a reaction out of me.
13:42.11DewiDarkhack: most average users hadn't heard of apple? what?
13:42.16abrotmani gave you the correct answer .. stop trolling
13:42.21amphithe boot seems to be rather on the other foot to me
13:42.23dvs<Darkhack> I don't need a bot telling me what to do.  Thats the AOL method.
13:42.27sepDarkhack, no he just triggered the bot to answer your question. you was the rude one.
13:42.29dvsThat's what set us off
13:42.34azeemDarkhack: it is a matter or optimizing support, not everybody in here is totally nice all the time
13:42.37azeems/or/of/
13:43.19YeTr2Does anyone have any input on how to make Xorg stop using mesa and use the ATi binary instead? I've tried everyhting I can find and it's still using mesa
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13:43.36abrotmanYeTr2: have you tried installing fglrx?
13:43.45YeTr2abrotman: yes
13:43.47abrotmanYeTr2: you can use m-a to install them
13:43.49DarkhackYeTr2... use the ATI installer.  It should generate the config file for you.  Backup your xorg.conf file first though.
13:43.59YeTr2Darkhack: I've done that
13:44.05abrotman!fglrx
13:44.05dpkgmethinks fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz)
13:44.10abrotmanYeTr2: have you done it that way ^^ ?
13:44.14YeTr2abrotman: yes
13:44.22abrotmanso you've done it both ways now ?
13:44.27YeTr2correct
13:44.43DarkhackIf it still is using Mesa after using the ATI installer, then uninstall Mesa
13:44.45abrotmanno errors in your X log or dmesg ?
13:45.01CaT[tm]darkhack's problem is that he's either trolling or he has no idea how many people ask the same question and what it means to provide free support for that.
13:45.03amphiDewi: not legally ;)
13:45.03YeTr2abrotman: no errors
13:45.12zl2todpatience and helpfulness goes a long way
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13:45.22Dewiamphi: I mean apart from sitting there telling them where to click for hours :P
13:45.34abrotmanYeTr2: and you've told xorg to use the correct driver ?
13:45.44amphiDewi: oh, I thought you meant culling or some such ;)
13:46.04YeTr2abrotman: yes I have driver 'fglrx' in the device section of my xorg.conf
13:46.16CaT[tm]zl2tod: bots with common answers help preserve patience and helpfulness :)
13:46.31abrotmanYeTr2: and no errors in your /var/log/Xorg.log ? at all?
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13:47.24Dewibots are used both well and badly on #debian, imho. I hate the policy factoids like "don't ask to ask" and all that, but the real info in the bot is great
13:47.46zl2todCaT[tm], in my experience the people that rely on the bots all the time have the least of both attributes. The bot has been barely used for hours and there has been no conflict in the channel.
13:48.04Dewimaybe the policy factoids would be better if they were rewritten to sound a little less aggressive
13:48.14Dewi... or patronising :P
13:48.25abrotmanzl2tod: that's not the case at all .. he asked a very common question .. the answers were there
13:48.30abrotmanerm .. a not very common
13:48.36zl2todabrotman, you weren't here
13:48.42abrotmanzl2tod: i meant for the incident that just happened
13:49.05xoredsep: i got cups running, installed the turboprinter testdriver which added a printer to cups allready. iam just tried to print a test side, but nothing happens. How can i debug ?
13:49.05Darkhackzl2tod... abrotman has been calling me a troll for the past 5 minutes because I asked a simple question.
13:49.06YeTr2abrotman: check for your self: http://yetrs.ath.cx:8080/~yetr2/Xorg.0.log
13:49.19DewiDarkhack: nah, he called you a troll when you started trolling.
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13:49.25xoredsep: should i try to print localy on the server to test the printer himself somehow ?
13:49.33zl2todDarkhack, yeah, he's never been polite to me either
13:49.33abrotmanDarkhack: look .. i didn't call you a troll because of the question you asked .. i called you a troll because you started whining about how the correct answer was given to you .. please drop it and move on
13:49.33roxy_Darkhack: nooo. I am the one who called you a troll.
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13:49.42abrotmanzl2tod: i don't think i've ever talked to you
13:49.56sepxored, you can print testpage on the cups webpage
13:50.00sepip:631
13:50.00abrotmanbah ..
13:50.13Dewizl2tod: he seems polite enough now
13:50.21xoredsep: tried that : he says he is printing, he know even shows he is reqady, but the printer did nothing
13:50.44xoredi guess sep : Geräte URI: file:/dev/null
13:50.48xoredthis one is not right
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13:51.36xoredsep: maybe its not properly confgured, i never used USB ont hat server right now. how should i test, wheater the he detected the printer on USB ?
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13:51.50koen_In /etc/apt/preferences, can you indicate multiple packages (e.g. all mysql packages) to be pinned on the same line? I tried using mysql*, but it doesn't seem to work. Do I have to enter all packages separately?
13:51.55sepxored, it's not a network printer ?
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13:52.15sepxored, i have never used a usb printer. too unreliable :)
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13:52.22xoredsep: ah :)
13:52.36xoredsep: no its not a network one, just a USB one
13:52.48sepxored, i guess if cups add printer detects it it's ok. if not you probably need to load some kernel modules
13:52.55DarkhackThanks guys for your help.  You made me realize that I would be better off with one of the *buntu systems.  God forbid any of you use a "noob" distro and lose your 1337ness.  Goodbye
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13:53.12dvssee ya
13:53.13Dewiwhat a n00b
13:53.19sepsomething like usblp  with friends
13:53.21xoredsep: i guess, cups is howing me the printer ( name / driver type ) but this one : file:/dev/null
13:53.29xoredsep:  is not right i guess
13:53.34xoredsep: ok one second
13:53.38sepyes that's wrong
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13:53.59xoredah ok usblp loaded
13:54.14xorednow ? :/
13:54.18YeTr2abrotman: ?
13:54.24dvs!beer Dewi
13:54.39Dewicheers!
13:54.44abrotmanYeTr2: eh?
13:55.03abrotmanYeTr2: from what i understand about fglrx .. you install it .. tell X to use it .. and enjoy
13:55.09septhere should be a server side troll detection. since i am so very bad at ignoring them myself..
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13:55.10YeTr2...
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13:55.27abrotmanYeTr2: that's why i asked if you had errors in syslog/messages or Xorg.0.log
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13:56.58xoredcan someone help me with getting my USB printer running under debian sarge. Its plugged in, iam quite sure the usb system is loaded, usblp is loaded
13:57.06YeTr2of which I don't have any errors
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13:59.35xoredhow can i check, wheater the system recognised my USB printer ?
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13:59.40abrotmanYeTr2: ok .. then how do you know it's not working?
13:59.43beanzWhy would init be using 96% cpu?
13:59.56abrotmanit's working very hard :)
14:00.08tarzeauabrotman: hahaha
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14:00.28beanzabrotman:  doing what? it's init!
14:01.15wolsbeanz: it's probably on strike
14:01.28wolsmaybe it wants more cpu cycles, or electricity or something
14:01.36xoredhow can i try to print a test file through the console ?
14:01.39beanzwols:  seriously why would init use all the cpu time??
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14:01.51beanzwols:  I can't strace it :/
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14:02.12wolsno clue why it would
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14:02.49wolsxored: man lpr
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14:03.25YeTr2abrotman: fglrxinfo still shows mesa
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14:04.18tuxubhello
14:04.54tuxubanyone using a 3ware 9000 Storage Controller ?
14:05.03xoredwols: thank you, he send it, printer is not reacting. how to check the que ?
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14:05.13candybanhi guys
14:05.14abrotmantuxub: just ask
14:05.27abrotmanYeTr2: ask #ati if you've missed something obvious
14:05.31xoredwols: ah ok, lpq : he sas, tp0 is ready
14:05.32wolsman lpq
14:05.46xoredwols: but he is still not printing anything
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14:05.58wolsconnect to port 631 with a browser
14:06.03xoreddone
14:06.24candybanDoes anyone know how to install nagios 2.5 on debian sarge? When I try to compile the tarball, I get 'checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables'
14:06.24xoredwols: one second, but cups is just for network printing u guess or ?
14:06.52xoredwols: when i print with lpr, it will print directly or ? i mean iam printing on the server, the printer is localy installed, not remotely
14:07.04candybanAm I missing some development packages or is something wrong with nagios?
14:07.15wolsread a CUPS howto. you need it
14:07.21candybanI downloaded the 'stable' 2.5 tarball
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14:07.39wols!tell candyban about b-e
14:07.53tuxubabrotman, i had to download a special version of debian to recognise the 3ware raid of the server I bought but when i upgrade the kernel the machine can't boot :(
14:08.10candybanwols: thanks
14:08.14wolstuxub: then compile your own kernel
14:08.23wolswith your special super raid drivers
14:08.27xoredwols: i have a cup howto opened, but i guess iam more stucked at the USB installationg. I never used USB on that system, so i guess there is the error. could you help me just testing, wheather he detected the usb printer and maybe print a site directly, wihtout cups
14:08.53*** join/#debian fresch (n=fresch@p54ADD7A6.dip.t-dialin.net)
14:08.56tuxubbut I don't find the drivers to compile the kernel...
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14:09.24xoredwols: so i guess you cant :/ thank you anyway of course
14:09.26wolstuxub: then why do you think debian would have it in its kernel if it's not part of the official kernel from kernel.org?
14:09.39xoredabrotman: could you help me with my USB printer a bit maybe ?
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14:10.06tuxubwols, i just need to get the card running ,that's all
14:10.26wolsxored: to test the printer itself if it's "connected": cp testfile /dev/<wherevertheprinteris connected to>
14:10.36wolsand as for usb: check your kernel log (dmesg)
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14:10.52xoredwols: hmm ok, so just a PS fiel or ASCII ?
14:10.57xored( the cp thing )
14:11.00wolstuxub: then learn what driver it sues and get the source for that driver first. no other way
14:11.17wolsxored: doesn't matter. you will see if it's connected no matter what or if it prints
14:11.19tuxubwols, thanks ;)
14:11.24xoredusbcore: registered new driver usblp
14:11.24xoreddrivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver
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14:12.15abrotmanxored: i'll tell you what i know about usb printers .. use usblp :)
14:12.21abrotmanxored: i don't own a printer
14:12.36TalluI guess my next downtime for the server will take place on december when they release 4.0 :)
14:12.38xorediam trying to use usblp, its loaded
14:12.39abrotmantuxub: what special version ?
14:12.40xoredwols: zsh: no such device or address: /dev/lp0
14:12.50abrotmanxored: lsusb ?
14:12.54abrotmanupdate-usbids
14:13.05wolsxored: cause it's the wrong device file
14:13.09wolsit's a usb device
14:13.12wolsnot parport
14:13.21tuxubabrotman, an iso i downloaded from the 3ware site
14:13.32abrotmanreally?
14:13.36xoredabrotman: if i do a lsusb i get a
14:13.39tuxubabrotman, debian_sarge_3.1_9500S_9550SX_support_x86 .iso on http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14860
14:13.41abrotmanwah wah ?
14:13.46xoredUnknown line at line 5947
14:13.46xoredUnknown line at line 5948
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14:13.53abrotmanxored: run update-usbids
14:14.00xoredabrotman: done, now ?
14:14.03lsl23How do I print to a cups printer from the command line and CHOOSE the printer I want to print to.  Is there a way to say which queue?
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14:14.37TalluHeh, I ran update-usbids and after that started getting errors with lsusb :P
14:14.43xoredlsl23:        -P destination
14:14.43xored<PROTECTED>
14:14.44abrotmantuxub: ok .. so what doesn't work ?
14:14.59lsl23what is the command before the P
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14:15.02abrotmantuxub: wait .. you upgraded the kernel ?
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14:15.26xoredlpr myfile -P myprinter
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14:16.25xoredwols: where should the printer be located ?
14:16.59tuxubabrotman, i downloaded the kernel they have there
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14:17.03tuxuband it works
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14:17.17tuxubbut now, when new kernels are available through apt-get
14:17.29tuxubi can't use them cause the system stops to boot
14:17.39tuxubi supose they lack the drivers for the raid card
14:18.05xoredwols: zsh: no such device: /dev/usb/lp0
14:18.10xoredwols: this also doesnt work
14:18.44xored!paste
14:18.44dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste
14:18.45abrotmantuxub: yes .. you can't do that
14:18.53abrotmantuxub: there's a reason they have a special kernel
14:19.04tuxubis there a way to "merge" the driver with the new kernels?
14:19.12xoredabrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3391 i guess my usb is not working at all ?
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14:19.30abrotmantuxub: what you might want to try is an unofficial sarge kernel
14:19.50abrotmanxored: eh .. that's not right .. is this on sarge?
14:19.57xoredabrotman: yes
14:20.03xoredabrotman: stable
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14:20.17abrotmanxored: looks like the file is busted ..
14:20.21Talluabrotman: I'm getting the same one as xored is.. but my kernel is 2.6.16-k7
14:20.38abrotmanit's nothing to do with your kernels
14:20.44xoredgot a self backed kernel too
14:20.45abrotmanxored: do you have ehci or uhci loaded ?
14:20.53xoredabrotman: how to check this
14:20.57abrotmanlsmod
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14:21.04abrotman(argh .. printers suck)
14:21.24xoredabrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3392
14:21.42finn23how do I quickly find out which device my CD-rom is?
14:21.46xoredehci i guess
14:21.50xoredehci i guess, abrotman
14:22.20abrotmanfinn23: dmesg might say
14:22.39abrotmanxored: do you ahve any other usb devices?
14:22.56xoredabrotman: you mean connected to this system, no
14:23.11xoredabrotman: i got other usb devices arround, if you mean that
14:23.16abrotmanxored: tail -f /var/log/dmesg .. then unplug/replug/unplug/replug the printer
14:23.17mariusstwhat package is cdrecord in (sarge)?
14:23.24abrotmanprobably .. cdrecord ?
14:23.29mariusstno
14:23.36mariusstit should be something like cdrtools
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14:23.43abrotman!find bin/cdrecord sarge
14:23.43mariusstbut i cant find anything like that
14:23.49xoredabrotman: absolelty nothing happen
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14:23.52dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/cdrecord' (1): (/usr/bin/{cdrecord|cdrecord.mmap|cdrecord.shm}) in otherosfs/cdrecord.
14:23.55abrotman!prize me
14:24.09bmwm5anyone have any animated 38x38 debian icons in 256color bitmap? im gonna push out with active directory / group policy , change the IE logo on 1,000 desktops
14:24.16xoredabrotman: before i bother you longer iw ill check the bios if usb is activated i guess
14:24.30abrotmanxored: oh .. good plan .. and also .. grab a mouse or usb drive to also test with
14:24.39xoredabrotman: cause plgunin plguout is not recognized at all
14:24.45abrotmanxored: also .. make sure you try other usb ports
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14:25.03xoredabrotman: ok i will try that all, will lose inet connection, cause its my gateway
14:25.12xoredabrotman: thank you a lot, see you later :)
14:25.16Roninbmwm5: why? your it staff isnt busy enough so you want more users to call in complaining?
14:25.37bmwm5subliminal messages
14:25.40bmwm5sick of this IE logo
14:26.00bmwm5may put in a firefix animated icon
14:26.04bmwm5trying to find animated 38x38
14:26.08bmwm5firefox
14:26.10dabreegsterbmwm5: Why not stick Debian on this network?
14:26.29bmwm5lets not go there, business is stuck to active directory
14:26.33abrotmanwhy not give me your car?
14:26.34bmwm5but know where any good 38x38 icons?
14:26.47abrotman/usr/share/icons/ ?
14:26.53abrotmannow can i have the car?
14:27.03jellywhy would anyone wnat to put a ff logo onto ie?
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14:27.14abrotmanjelly: mass hysteria ?
14:27.28Roninjelly: ya why not just push firefox out instead and hide the ie
14:27.32abrotmanerm ... /usr/share/pixmaps/
14:27.36jelly"... but we already use Firefox, see?"
14:27.38bmwm5ronin, lots of banks
14:27.44bmwm5use active x plugins
14:27.46bmwm5sadly
14:27.49bmwm5hence the need for IE
14:27.51wolsbmwm5: look on win32 shell modification sites
14:27.55Roninbmwm5: scares me that banks use that :)
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14:28.06wolsor win32 theme sites
14:28.16abrotmanRonin: no .. you have to connect to bank sites .. they use java or activeX or .. just stupid stuff
14:28.23bmwm5java is the main portion
14:28.25bmwm580% or so
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14:28.32bmwm5but impportant ones with ach drops = active x
14:28.34bmwm5for some odd reason
14:28.35abrotmanRonin: and i don't mean home banking
14:29.05abrotmanRonin: i mean .. "Hi .. you're my 'bank' and you've got my retirement fund .. i'd like to see some graphs" .. Sorry .. you need activeX!
14:29.19jellyabrotman: B2B apps use activex?
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14:29.29bmwm5a brotman, heres the end game
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14:29.32abrotmanjelly: no .. custodians do
14:29.39kronoz<PROTECTED>
14:29.45enouftuxub: ping
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14:29.59Roninabrotman: never tried that but im quite glad both the wifes bank and mine work with firefox and galeon on multiple os's
14:30.06bmwm5abrotman
14:30.19bmwm5from the IT perspective i would like to roll it out, but "change management" with 1,000+ people
14:30.19tuxubenouf, sorry?
14:30.19ciduzhi.. got some little question: I plan to install debian sarge for my amd64 x2 (dualcore) processor. Is there a special version necessary for detecting both processors?
14:30.23abrotmanRonin: it's not your home banking per se .. it's like your retirement fund .. like fidelity or ML or somethingl ike that
14:30.24TalluI'm officially in love with debian.. only been using it for like 3 months now.. but still :)
14:30.38bmwm5sure we know its better in our "mind" that firefox is better, because we always sarcasticaly joke anything NON MS is better
14:30.43abrotmanTallu: go tell Darkhack
14:30.45bmwm5but it would have to be delayed over time, not instantaneous
14:30.50tuxubciduz, kernel 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp
14:31.00Talluabrotman: uh, excuse me? :P
14:31.02abrotmantuxub: those kernels need to have the driver for your controller
14:31.07abrotmanTallu: nothing .. carry on :)
14:31.45Talluabrotman: hehe okay
14:31.46tuxubabrotman, I know that  (unfortnatly) :) i was talking to ciduz ... i dont think he has my raid card on the machine ;)
14:31.50ciduztuxub: I don't think that I want to install debian64.. I want to start out with the i386 one..
14:31.53enouftuxub:  hi hold on
14:32.04ciduzIs it possible to catch 2 processors with one of these versions,too?
14:32.15tuxubciduz, that kernel exists in 32bit
14:32.19tuxubciduz, yes
14:32.25abrotmantuxub: have they put the driver in the main kernel yet?
14:32.28bmwm5hah
14:32.30bmwm5i just found it
14:32.35bmwm5it works, just verified on other desktops
14:32.37bmwm5looks sexy now
14:32.37abrotman/usr/share/pixmaps ?
14:32.44bmwm5IE floating window no longer there, a Fox from firefox
14:32.44tuxubabrotman, can't try it now
14:32.46RichiHhow can i see what x.org modules are loaded?
14:32.55abrotmantuxub: ok
14:32.58Roninheh wonder if i can sneak that out here too bmwm5, it would be fun to watch
14:32.59tuxubabrotman, I am copying 70GB over the network to that machine
14:33.06ciduztuxub: so I do the normal installation of the netinst i386 image and later install the kernel with smp support?
14:33.06enouftuxub:  You may want to poke around here and read te .diff files to see what they are and do (i386) http://debian-unofficial.org/packages.html -- I'm not suggesting anything , so it's up to you  to decide how important a Newer kernel is versus the data the Card is responsible for ..ok?
14:33.19tuxubabrotman, is there a way to check it on any webpage or something without reboot the machine?
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14:33.31tuxubciduz, exactly
14:33.35abrotmantuxub: eh .. google? :)
14:33.39abrotmantuxub: do you know which driver it is ?
14:33.56tuxubenouf, i need the SMP :)
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14:34.10tuxubthe only driver I have is i386 without SMP
14:34.27ciduztuxub: Okay, fine. Just another small question. After having installed the new kernel, I got several entries in my grub screen, do I easily just need to delete them in the grub file or should is it necessary to remove any old kernel data?
14:34.32abrotmantuxub: or even the config option
14:34.39tuxubabrotman, 3ware 9000 Storage Controller device driver for Linux v2.26.04.007.
14:34.50abrotmantuxub: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 .. try that
14:34.57abrotmanCONFIG_SCSI_3W_9XXX=m
14:35.01abrotmanseems like it should do it
14:35.27abrotmanthough .. the 2.6.8 has that too
14:35.36tuxubciduz, you can delete them or you can just leave them in case the machine doesnt boot with the new one (that hapenned to me)
14:36.13ciduzokay. fine. :) thanks. Is there any need to install something extraordinary for detecting 2gig of ram?
14:36.16tuxubabrotman, so i apt-get install the 2.6.8 sources and do a make menuconfig and activate the required module?
14:36.30bmwm5http://livepolicescan.homeworldnet.com/sitebuilder/images/firefox-logo-38x38.png
14:36.32bmwm5found it
14:36.33bmwm5hahahahah
14:36.34bmwm5good stuff
14:36.38jengelhHuh
14:36.45bmwm5gonna replace all IE browser logos on 2,000+ pc's
14:36.46jengelhI'm looking for /usr/bin/gcc, but the bot tells me there's no such thing
14:36.48bmwm5w/ that logo via grou ppolicy
14:37.01sneexwhy would /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs control whether or not the command gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator starts up correctly?
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14:37.02wolsjengelh: cause it's a symlink maybe. why do you need it?
14:37.13wolsask the bot I mean
14:37.17TalluHmm, should I echo 'nvidia' to /etc/modules to make it load at startup and thus have my gnome start up properly? Or should I do something else?
14:37.22EEaphow do I mount my Logical Volumes outside my box, with a LIVE CD ?
14:37.27jengelhEh, because everyone's using 'gcc' rather than 'gcc-4.1', for convenience? Which package sets that symlink up?
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14:37.59wolsjengelh: any gcc package
14:38.16jengelhwonderful 'any' does not work heh, gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.1-base are in, but no cc/gcc symlinks
14:38.23abrotmantuxub: it should already be there .. you might want to call/forum a question like "Are the drivers required for my card (blah93123) in the main kernel tree yet?"
14:38.35sneexmountvirtfs is basicaly only creating /dev/shm
14:38.36abrotmantuxub: and if they say yes .. ask which version has them
14:38.53abrotmanTallu: echo 'nvidia' >> /etc/modules .. and yes .. you NEED >>
14:38.57wolsI have a symlink from gcc to gcc-4.1
14:39.05wolsthe gcc package does set it
14:39.14Talluabrotman: hehe yeah, dont want to overwrite the file. thanks :)
14:39.25kronozi'm trying to use the nvidia installer to install nvidia drivers but it says that gcc 4.1 doesn't match kernel compiled gcc 4.0 and won't load the modules, how to fix?
14:39.33cahootjengelh: update-alternatives ?
14:39.33tuxubabrotman, where can i do that question?
14:39.44abrotmantuxub: either call 3ware .. or use their forum
14:39.52tuxubok
14:39.54wolskronoz: you need gc 4.0 if the kernel was compiled with that
14:39.54abrotmantuxub: but the real thing is that you want SMP ?
14:40.19jengelhcahoot : I think it's because some postinstall scripts were not run
14:40.28abrotmantuxub: if you `apt-cache --names-only search smp` .. what results do you get?
14:40.31tuxubabrotman, yes ... I already am using the 2.6.8... i just want to use the 2 cpus I paid for :)
14:40.32kronozwols, will a kernel update for testing come if soon as there is unequal gcc version which cuases problem?
14:40.43abrotmanhttp://www.3ware.com/kb/attachments/kernel-image-2.6.8-686-smp_2.6.8.3ware4G_i386-GUID501b314aeff0416fbb3aa10ba1ffe0b1.deb
14:40.47enouftuxub: that page you linked to has an SMP kernel for 1686 2.6.8
14:40.51abrotmantuxub: http://www.3ware.com/kb/attachments/kernel-image-2.6.8-686-smp_2.6.8.3ware4G_i386-GUID501b314aeff0416fbb3aa10ba1ffe0b1.deb
14:40.52enoufi686*
14:40.57wolskronoz: how should I know, and why do you care? you can have more than one gcc installed
14:41.00abrotmantuxub: link is on the page
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14:41.08enouf!prize abrotman
14:41.12tuxubi saw it but it's not AMD64 optimized
14:41.13enoufdang
14:41.20kronozwols, i already have gcc-4.0, how do i set it as the gcc?
14:41.38kronozCC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 doesn't help
14:41.40wolssymlink it ot /usr/bin/gcc
14:41.42enouftuxub: you said i386 originally then SMP , and now AMD64 optimized ?? wtf
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14:41.48tuxub:)
14:41.57jengelhstupid ancient source package, won't use $CC right away
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14:42.02kpanichi, how minimal can be a debian system in size?
14:42.09tuxubkpanic, 300meg
14:42.10tuxubserver
14:42.13jengelhlogically 0
14:42.25wolstuxub: half to a third of that
14:42.29wolskpanic: around 100MB
14:42.31tuxubenouf, ok ok
14:42.34sneexwhy would /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs control whether or not the command gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator starts up correctly?
14:43.04jengelhnfs packages are a bitch today
14:43.08kpanictuxub, heh, 300 meg. no I mean all stripped down, no nothing, only x server and base utilities
14:43.10jengelh<PROTECTED>
14:43.17jengelhbut no new nfs-common package to satisfy that
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14:43.54enouftuxub: No prob -- http://www.3ware.com/kb/attachments/kernel-image-2.6.8-k8-smp_2.6.8.3wareM_amd64-GUID5f7ab3f2527e45828cf1156cea15453a.deb
14:43.54wolskpanic: dsl is debian based and fits in 50MB. so I guess 100MB is fine for debian
14:44.00jetscreamersounds like sid to me
14:44.12tuxubenouf, thats 64bit :(
14:44.34kpanicwols, ah cool dsl. didn't know it was d-based
14:44.35tuxubenouf, they didn't put the i386 on the filename
14:44.37enouf<-- folds up shop and goes home :-(
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14:45.02tuxubenouf, i'm writing a mail to the guys at 3ware...
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14:45.53wolstuxub: that driver must be GPLed, or they couldn't distribute it with the kernel
14:46.01wolsso there must be source somewhere on their site
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14:46.09tuxubwols, i guess thats the problem... :(
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14:46.50Talnakhguys does, is there a way how to save text output of imagemagick to a file?
14:47.12TalluHmm, this is the way to enable user quotas isnt it? /dev/mapper/vg1-home /home           ext3    defaults,usrquota        0       2 and then just install some quota management tool?
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14:47.55wolsTalnakh: normal redirection: > filename
14:48.04wolsand if it's a stderr message: 2>
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14:49.09Talnakhthanks
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14:50.20RandomTaskhi
14:50.34RandomTaskcan someone tell me how to get volume and serial number off a disk?
14:50.41RandomTaskplease and thanks
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14:51.05Juzzyopen the case and read it from the label :)
14:51.11abrotmantuxub: it tells you how to get it
14:51.19RandomTaskserver is 1,000,000 km away
14:51.22abrotmanoh wait .. no it doesn't
14:51.27abrotmanRandomTask: on mars?
14:51.27RandomTaskmy screw driver is short
14:51.28RandomTask:-)
14:51.35Juzzyhah
14:51.42abrotmanRandomTask: dmesg .. maybe
14:51.53RandomTaski'll try
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14:52.30dhuvhello all
14:52.52RandomTasknope
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14:53.37dhuvcurrently I have my os on a raid5 array and the swap partition on a single drive. I want to replace that drive with another drive. What would be the best way to go about doing this. The server has 1.25GB or RAM so I am assuming it will run OK without swap
14:53.47abrotmanRandomTask: dmesg shows nothing ?
14:54.26abrotmandhuv: put the other drive in .. then use it
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14:54.32tuxubabrotman, sorry... didn't catch the last one from you...
14:54.40abrotmantuxub: you want amd64 with smp ?
14:54.57tuxubtuxub, yes... 32bit
14:55.04abrotmaneh ..
14:55.17abrotmanbah ... just use the 686-smp :)
14:55.33abrotmantuxub: otherwise .. you're going to have to contact them i'd say
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14:55.54tuxubabrotman, lol... ok will do until the 3ware guys respond my e-mail and hopefully send me a super dupper kernel ...
14:56.05Juzzyyou're not going to get the serial from software
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14:56.46pingwinhey i need to get libxml2, for php5, i have a deb source for php5. anyone know of a good source for libxml2? should that be in debian unstable? I'm also running sarge
14:56.56ciduzsorry... which version do I now need to take when I got a amd64x2 processor but want a 32bit debian?
14:57.07pingwinalso I'm not very familiar with how the sources.list file is to be formated or what the syntax means
14:57.09wolsciduz: k7
14:57.17wolsand the i386 version
14:57.37pingwindeb http://packages.debian.org/ unstable main?
14:57.55tuxubciduz, 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp
14:58.18wolspingwin: libxml2 is in sarge
14:58.21ciduztuxub: but I thought that this is the 32bit version?
14:58.24wols!find libxml2
14:58.26dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'libxml2' (6): libxml2 ;; libxml2-dbg ;; libxml2-dev ;; libxml2-doc ;; libxml2-utils ;; python-libxml2.
14:58.33ciduz32-bit = 64bit, sorry
14:58.39tuxubno, its 32bit
14:58.48tuxubciduz, if you installed debian 32bit, of course
14:58.50ciduzso I dont want to run the 64 bit version ...
14:58.58abrotmantuxub: did you ask them if the driver is now in the main tree ?
14:59.00wolsciduz: install the i386 version of debian, then all packages there are 32bit
14:59.02RandomTaskdmesg doesn't give a serial number
14:59.13pingwin<PROTECTED>
14:59.14RandomTaski did dmesg | grep serial -i
14:59.17RandomTasknothing
14:59.20pingwinPackage libxml2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
14:59.29wolsRandomTask: /proc perhaps
14:59.34RandomTaskapparently lshw works on ubuntu
14:59.41abrotmanRandomTask: hwinfo might work
14:59.50ciduzwols: but 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp isn't the 32bit one, is it? Is the 386netinst ok?
14:59.51tuxubabrotman, no, because i think the driver is closed source...
14:59.56abrotmanbastards!
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15:00.12pingwin<PROTECTED>
15:00.12pingwinphp4-domxml - XMLv2 module for php4
15:00.14tuxubciduz, 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp is the 32bit version... i am using it right now
15:00.17pingwinand again i'm needing php5
15:00.27abrotmanfor sarge?
15:00.30tuxubamd64 is the cpu name...
15:00.36wolsciduz: yes, 386netinst. and 2.6.8... is a kernl, not an installer
15:00.44pingwindebian_version == 3.1
15:01.10ciduzwols: okay.. fine. Now I understood it. thank you.
15:01.11abrotmanphp5 isn't in sarge .. you'll have to use backports.org .. if they even hve php5-libxml
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15:01.32simonrvnno, it's "you bastards!" abrotman
15:02.02ciduzbrb
15:02.12abrotmanhehe
15:02.22simonrvn*grin*
15:03.33simonrvncolbert report r0x
15:03.44pingwinabrotman: thanks for the link to
15:03.48itchiHey, how can we find an Freenode staffer? There is a command i think, but no more remeber. Someone here need help to reset his password
15:03.57simonrvn/stats p
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15:04.11itchisimonrvn: oh cool, thanks ;-)
15:04.11simonrvnshould ask in #freenode-social maybe
15:04.14blondiesimonrvn: doesn't usually work...
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15:04.34enoufRandomTask: can you run as root? are you ssh ing into a remote?
15:04.35simonrvnWorks Here
15:04.38blondiethis is better: /who *freenode/staff*
15:04.41blondiesimonrvn: it always returns 0
15:04.50blondie16:04:19 [Freenode] -!- p 0 staff members
15:04.50blondie16:04:19 [Freenode] -!- p End of /STATS report
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15:05.18possiehow can i rescan the scsi bus, and is the scsi protocol acctually build to do hotplug etc?
15:05.23itchihere in this channel there is no one, i guess it is on the #freenode-social to do it?
15:05.33blondieitchi: no, it just doesn't work
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15:05.39blondieitchi: /who *freenode/staff*
15:05.48itchiblondie:  /stats p  also not wrok?
15:05.52itchiarg
15:06.02blondie/stats p worked for me once, about a year ago
15:06.34simonrvnthey have to "advertise"
15:06.53jetscreameryeah the /who give more results
15:07.04tonbone question. How i can find gtk+2.0 package ;?
15:07.16itchiblondie: Oh yea, that last you gave work right /who *freenode/staff*  :-) Also thanks to simonrvn  ;-)
15:08.19simonrvnno one on #freenode-social has opered, so no one shows up. first time i've seen it not work, tbh
15:08.47pingwinbackports doesn't have libxml2 either
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15:11.03blondiesimonrvn: you can't use it much then ;) at least not recently
15:11.09enouftonb: /msg dpkg gtk+
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15:12.31itchisimonrvn: But also thanks to you for the help you gave. You have tryed and i'm already happy with that fact ;-)
15:13.01dhuv_Ran out of power on my laptop. so does anybody have any suggestions on how to replace a HDD that has the swap partition on it?
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15:13.45lsl23Do you have to do anything special to make sure that lpr talks to cups?
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15:14.52jetscreamerswap is not a requirement, just boot whatever and make a new swap
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15:15.33jetscreamerand remove references to the old
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15:18.35pingwinsorry to be a noob here guys. but I'm trying to add unstable at packages.debian.org to my sources.list file. what exactly would that look like?
15:18.43pingwini'm doing something wrong, just not sure what
15:18.46fluxdudedoes sftp use port 22 by default?
15:18.51Roninpingwin: why are you doing that? do you run sid?
15:18.51pingwinyes
15:19.07pingwinfluxdude: depending on your /etc/ssh/ssh_config:Port config option
15:19.20simonrvnwhy do you run sid even if you can't even edit sources.list properly
15:19.29pingwinRonin: no, I just need libxml2 and it's the only place I can find it thus far that's reliable
15:19.44Roninpingwin: not a good idea to mix andmatch releases
15:19.55pingwinso far I have "deb http://packages.debian.org/ unstable main" i think that's what it needs to look like. but it's wrong
15:20.10simonrvnbetter to just fetch the source manually and do it that way
15:20.11pingwinwell I need php5 and apache2.
15:20.24Roninpingwin: have you looked into backports?
15:20.29pingwinthen I'm constantly out of data and have to manually update 5 machines
15:20.36pingwinyes, and they don't have the library
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15:22.00Roninfrom source? mixing is a good way though to trash your system
15:22.02bauawhere can i download a NFSable initrd?
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15:22.22tonbenouf but i
15:22.30tonbenouf but i'm searching .deb package
15:22.45pingwinRonin: so your saying if I want php5, my best option is to install all the libraries and php5 manually from source and manage all the myself?
15:22.46tonbis there any gtk+2.0 deb ;?
15:22.54pingwinthat sounds like a better way to trash a system
15:23.09wols!tell pingwin about simple sid backport
15:23.30pingwinwhy don't I just use gentoo or something then? at least it's up to date and i don't have to worry about mixing like you said
15:23.32Janne_DoeHi, here's my problem: kde applications are sooo slow but only when I'm connected to internet
15:23.34Roninwols: apparently what they want isnt in there if i understood coreectly
15:23.47pingwinwtf is sid?
15:23.52wolsRonin: they could still use the debian source instead of upstream source
15:23.57fluxdudepingwin: thanks that's what I thought
15:23.57azeemW6
15:23.59azeemblah.
15:24.20pingwinman debian is retarded
15:24.41Roninya thats how to get help here pingwin
15:24.53Janne_Doenobody can help me?
15:24.53jellypingwin: being retarded is the feature!
15:24.57pingwinit's like if you want anything current. you either wait 6 months for it. or you manage it all yourself
15:25.28pingwinhow is this a feature? to make it impossible for me to even install php5 which is already widely used in production environments
15:25.35jellypingwin: or look up backports.org if anyone else has already done it.
15:25.46wolspingwin: so you're saying there is no libxml2 in sarge?
15:25.47wolshttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libxml2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all
15:25.48Roninor just do what wols suggested and stom whining
15:25.52wolsmaybe next time look harder?
15:25.56pingwinnot in my install
15:26.27simonrvnum, gentoo is less up to date than sid or etch...
15:26.27pingwinokay it's stable, great
15:26.33pingwinbut it's not in my apt-cache
15:27.07wolswhat is your sources.list line for stable?
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15:27.40pingwindeb http://dotdeb.netmirror.org/ stable all
15:27.40pingwindeb-src http://dotdeb.netmirror.org/ stable all
15:27.43enouftonb:apt-cache search gtk2
15:27.54pingwindeb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
15:28.00pingwindeb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free
15:28.05pingwinand that's all that are uncommented
15:28.29wolspingwin: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list
15:28.41wolsI can't find netmirror in that list
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15:29.23UlfJackhi
15:29.27pingwinit's a mirror of dotdeb.org
15:29.36jellyI vaguely remember dotdeb being yet another unoff. source.
15:29.41wolsdotdeb is not debian
15:29.42pingwinbut they have php5
15:29.43UlfJacki can't print umlauts in latest unstable
15:29.46pingwinand they keep it up to date
15:29.50simonrvnyeh. for stuff like LAMP
15:29.53pingwinwith security patches
15:29.56UlfJackit seems to be related to the fonts
15:29.58wolsbasically you have NO debian mirror in your sources.list, of course you can't install any debian packages
15:30.06wolsinstead you have a ton of unofficial mirrors in there
15:30.12UlfJackso i deinstalled some fonts, which has the effect that i can print some umlauts, but still not all
15:30.15UlfJackand ideas?
15:30.32enouftonb: you'll have to decide which you need -- this is what I have installed on Sid (2.6.16-2-686) http://pastebin.ca/125323
15:30.33pingwinokay so give me one. so I can
15:30.49wolsI gave you a ton of them a few min ago. scroll up
15:30.50pingwini'm just trying to get this machine running. a trashed machine is still better than one that doesn't work in the first place
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15:30.59simonrvnwols gave you a source of a whole bunch of official mirrors
15:31.10pingwinyour giving me dir's but sources.list's syntax makes no since
15:31.19pingwinso I don't even know how to contruct the line
15:31.36wolsthen learn it
15:31.38pingwinand I'm about 5 seconds from telling my boss to have these machines formated and install something that works
15:31.40pingwinfuck you wols
15:31.48pingwini'm pissed now
15:31.54pingwinsorry everyone for my frustration
15:32.01pingwinbut this is some bull and I'm done with it
15:32.04Roninhow much money you have pingwin? ill do it
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15:32.15wolsRonin: mercenary! :P
15:32.18simonrvndeb ftp://foo.bar/ debian main[ contrib non-free]
15:32.27pingwinthanks simonrvn
15:32.31simonrvner, debian/
15:32.32pingwinwhat does the debian part of that mean?
15:32.34Roninwols: have mortage to pay
15:32.38pingwinthats the part that has made no since
15:32.40simonrvnthat depends on the mirror too...
15:32.53stewpingwin: please chill out
15:32.56pingwinit seems to define part of the file path. but to what? isn't that what the url should be for?
15:32.57wolsRonin: you're homeless and don't have a Master. you have no mortgages :P
15:33.04UlfJackdeb ftp://foo.bar/debian/ main[ contrib non-free]
15:33.13stewUlfJack: no
15:33.15UlfJackthe ftp... stuff is the url
15:33.27tonbenouf. i want install gkrellm-hddtemp-0.2 ;) and it' says that i don't have gtk+-2.0 package.
15:33.43tonbso i was thinking about gtk+....deb ;)
15:33.44UlfJackoh, missing the release name
15:33.47simonrvnthe space was intentional
15:33.50stewpingwin: the debian part would contain the "release" like stable/testing/etch/etc, please read "man sources.list"
15:33.53simonrvnoh yeh.. duh
15:33.54pingwini've noticed that the first thing after the url defines something, what I'm not sure, then the rest are directories under that which it looks for package definitions
15:33.59tonbbut it sems that i need compile it from source
15:34.01tonbright ;? :>
15:34.05simonrvni'm tired :)
15:34.17pingwinsimonrvn: thanks for your help
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15:34.35simonrvnrelease would be before the 'main' stuff
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15:34.51UlfJackdeb <url> <release> <one or more part specifiers>
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15:35.01simonrvnyup
15:35.04pingwinTHANK YOU
15:35.28pingwinthats much more helpful than trying to tell me how to administer my server
15:35.31simonrvnwith that, you can construct *any* source line
15:35.42stewexcept simple repositories
15:35.47simonrvnman page helps ;)
15:36.00simonrvnyeh, but those will likely be local =)
15:36.27stewsome repositories are setup so that "deb url section" is the only way to use them
15:36.39simonrvnyeh
15:36.50stew(but not the official mirrors)
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15:37.18UlfJackaccording to the sources.list manpage, you must have a distribution specifier
15:37.46pingwinso should it be like deb http://packages.debian.org/ sarge stable main
15:37.48pingwin?
15:38.03UlfJacknot quite
15:38.06pingwinnope, thats 404's
15:38.10Roninpingwin:  if youre running stable apt-setup is still included
15:38.11UlfJacksarge is stable
15:38.25stewUlfJack: that's not correct (that you need a distrubition)
15:38.32Ronincant believe im trying to help them
15:38.44UlfJackstew: i don't know, i'm just citing the man page
15:38.52UlfJackcorrect it if it's wrong :p
15:39.01pingwinwell then maybe you shouldn't be in this channel that is to help people Ronin
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15:39.18OmiKoRnhi all, how do i make a ISO image of a cd from KDE?
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15:39.33Roninpingwin: i dont mind helping, quite the contrary, its the attitude your giving is why i cant belive im still trying to help
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15:39.44Roninbut im stopping now before stew "asks" me to behave :)
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15:40.14SlayerXPOmiKoRn: start Konsole, insert the CD and type  dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cdrom.iso bs=1024k
15:40.38wolsOmiKoRn: you could also use k3b
15:40.45pingwinRonin: i'm only giving any kind of attitude from frustration of you adverting helping me to lecture me to tell me that I need to install something from source and manage it myself when I COULD have the system manage it for me. thats why we chose debian in the first place is your SUPPOSED to be able to do that. hell gentoo can do it easy
15:40.57UlfJacki usually prefer readcd
15:41.02UlfJackdd is very lowlevel
15:41.20wolspingwin: it still doesn't allow you to insult people names who help you
15:41.23pingwinRonin: i totally agree that I'm being a dick. but so are you
15:41.34pingwinwols: but you all weren't helping
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15:41.39enouftonb: I had the same issues myself - I couldn't easily find what constitutes "gtk+-2.0" .. so I searched until I found I had d/l all i needed :-) I need to compile this audio app and it wasn't happening till I upgraded to sid - but that may not be your best option - check backports.org - what version of Debian and kerenl are you using
15:41.42wolsso I wasn't helping?
15:42.02wolsI told you an hour or so ago there is a libxml2 in sarge and later I gave you a direct link to it
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15:42.03jetscreamer!insult everybody
15:42.05dpkgeverybody is nothing but a vassal-willed stack of fermented snake snot
15:42.12jetscreamer!botsnack
15:42.13dpkg:), jetscreamer
15:42.15Roninheh
15:42.22wolsI even found your root problem of missing repositories, and then I'M not helping?
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15:43.42pingwinwols: but see I was already saying that I knew the problem was the repository, i didn't use that wording saddly
15:43.46stewUlfJack: just filed a wishlist bug
15:43.49OmiKoRnwols: with k3b it is not wrokign
15:43.52OmiKoRn*working
15:43.58UlfJackalright :)
15:44.19UlfJackdebian is great
15:44.19wolsOmiKoRn: "is not working" is kinda useless as an error message or question for help
15:44.29pingwinehh i dunno about that
15:44.33pingwini'm not digging it too much
15:44.33xoredabrotman: here iam back again. Bios has nothing to disable, so its enabled by in any way. Plugin in 2 diffrent mouses and the printer has not shown any devices in dmesg. Do you have any idea ?
15:44.36RoninUlfJack: cant argue with taht
15:44.47pingwini still feel restricted as compared to gentoo.
15:44.51UlfJacki just can't get printing to work :/
15:44.53pingwini've been using gentoo for many years now
15:45.03pingwinprinting always sucks in *nix
15:45.12UlfJackit worked alright for some time
15:45.17UlfJackand it still works, more or less
15:45.22wolspingwin: that's normal. habit
15:45.26UlfJackit's just that the dots on the umlauts are missing
15:45.29OmiKoRnwols: eg.. i do not have the option there
15:45.32xoredstew: Hello, do you have experiances with USB devices ? iam tryinfg to get a USB printer running, the driver is installed, but i can see him detecting the printer in dmesg
15:45.55OmiKoRnand when i try to make a copy of the cd i can`t choose a reading source as that tab is empty
15:46.14stewxored: i haven't tried printing yet this millenium
15:46.19xoredhehe
15:46.33xoredstew: i mean generally usb devices
15:46.42wolsxored: are you running a debian kernel?
15:46.46xoredstew: he is not even detecting a mouse, when i plug it in
15:46.58xoredwols: one second, iam not sure. Its self baken anyway
15:47.06wolsnot a debian kernel then
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15:47.13wolstry it with a debian kernel perhaps
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15:47.30UlfJackxored: maybe you forgot usb support in the kernel?
15:47.41UlfJackare any usb devices working?
15:47.42wolsor some part of usb support more likely
15:47.52xoredUlfJack: maybe, but i suggest, i cannot load the USBcore etc modules then ?
15:48.13xoredbut usbcore, usbhid is loading
15:48.16xoredaccording to dmesg
15:48.24UlfJackif you selfcompile the kernel, you have to enable usb support, either compiled in or as modules
15:48.29wolsusbhid != printer
15:48.41xoredwols: its selfbaken with disbled ipv6 etc
15:48.43UlfJackthere is a special usb printer module
15:48.58UlfJackdid you try to look at the output of lsmod?
15:48.58wolsxored: then use for troubleshooting a debian kernel
15:48.58xoredUlfJack: iam checking kernel CFg
15:49.00xoredhow is the flag called ?
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15:49.07xoredlsmod is failing
15:49.15xoredUlfJack: one second
15:49.20xored!paste
15:49.21dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste
15:50.08wolsxored: do you have a proc directory?
15:50.22xoredUlfJack: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3393
15:50.25xoredwols: sec
15:50.33xoredwols: yes
15:50.55wolsjust checking since you said lsmod wouldn't work
15:51.20xoredno iam misssuderstood
15:51.23xoredlsusb fails
15:51.25xoredsorry
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15:51.42xoredone second, is there any way getting more details information about the current kernel version then uname -r ?
15:51.50wolsuname -a
15:52.01wolsor /boot/config-'uname -r'
15:52.06xoredthanks
15:52.12xoredok checking the kernel config
15:52.13Alex_78hi
15:52.17wolsdamn wrong apostrophes. should be backtick
15:52.35wolssince usblp is loaded you have that compiled as module
15:52.55UlfJackyou need to load the usb filesystem module
15:53.06wolsUlfJack: for a printer?
15:53.11UlfJackfor lsusb
15:53.11xoredUlfJack: was it for me ? for a printer ?
15:53.15xoredah ok
15:53.23xoredok menuconfig oppened
15:53.32xoredwhat falg to look for int the kernel config ?
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15:54.22UlfJackDevice Drivers -> USB Support -> USB device filesystem
15:54.26xoredto inform you, this is an older maiboard, its an PIII 500 mhz
15:54.40xoredand i guess, ehci is not right then
15:54.53wolsehci is only the low level driver
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15:55.03xoredUlfJack: i shoudl use uhci or ? iam not using it, iam using ehci and i dont think my mainboard support 2.0
15:55.10xoredwols: ok
15:55.29xoredi can see ohci, ehci and uhci : what should i sue for an older mb ?
15:56.00wolsxored: but you need uhci yes
15:56.07wolssince your P3 certainly has no usb2.0
15:56.09xoredok then i think thats the prob
15:56.28xoredanything else ?
15:56.41UlfJackit compile ohci and uhci as modules and try out which one works
15:56.59xoredyeah but they are nt cimpiled UlfJack
15:57.03xorednot as modules
15:57.06xorednothing
15:57.14UlfJacknot so good then :)
15:57.18xored:)
15:58.27enoufwols: many pIIIs have USB2.0 support just not likely a 500MHz one -- it's in the Chipset the support - need to know the Chipset to tell
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15:58.51xoredenouf: its much to old
15:59.00xoredit never supports 2.0 no way
15:59.05enoufxored: Ok you says so then
15:59.08xoredits an old BX
15:59.12xoredi cant remember
15:59.17xoredexactly
15:59.40enouf440BX? then no no 2.0 ir needs atleast an i810 and then only certain ones
15:59.48xoredno way
15:59.51xored:)
16:00.02enoufxored: it*
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16:01.35xoredbackk in some minutes, need to restart the box
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16:03.08vernhi, trying to get access to the internet through a wifi interface. interface is up and can ping gateway but can't get past
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16:04.20verndunno if it can't get past the router, or can't get past the dsl modem.
16:04.34zinxtraceroute :/
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16:05.54GTXHow can I cluster together 5 servers and install Debian OS on all of them?
16:06.17tminosGTX, what are you clustering them for?
16:06.17UlfJackhttp://users.conquer-space.net/~ulf/umlauts-problem.png
16:06.24vernwell it's going straight to the router
16:06.28GTXtminos, web-hosting
16:06.30wolsenouf: what P3 chipset has usb2 support?
16:06.42UlfJackwhen i convert the .ps which is missing the dots back to pdf, the dots show up again
16:06.49UlfJackno error message nor warning
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16:07.26UlfJackplus the .ps is including part of the font
16:07.42tminosGTX, what I've just done (with six machines) is to have a backend iSCSI machine export a raid5 array to the other machines that mount it as GFS.. use LVS/UltraMonkey to heartbeat the incoming connections to a virtual-IP and use mySQL5-cluster across the machines
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16:08.26GTXlol tminos talk about complex, I just want to cluster 5 machines together, so basiclay it looks like 1 machine but with lots of the resources joined together then install directadmin on them, that possible or?
16:08.35xoredjeepee, it works like a sharm
16:08.38xoredshame on ehci !
16:08.39xored:)
16:09.10xoredUlfJack: wols , abrotman thank you a lot
16:09.21wolsxored: ahem, who again chose the ehci driver? It's not the poor driver's fault to be chosen by... someone :P
16:09.40UlfJackwhen i print italic, the letters don't come out italic, and all (umlaut-)dots are missing
16:09.51xorednana
16:09.54xoredits not mine!
16:09.54xored:)
16:10.02wolsof course not!
16:10.12tonbyes. it's you
16:10.12tonb;P
16:10.21xored:)
16:10.38tminosGTX, dunno what DirectAdmin is, so I can't help much there
16:10.51GTXtminos, just a web panel www.directadmin.com
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16:11.27wolsGTX: you can't. I guess you want to save on license costs?
16:11.58GTXnope wols, Just wanted to give more performance on a single server by clustering 5 to make 1 supercomputer :p
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16:12.13tminosthere isn't really a good way to do that yet
16:12.22GTXheh ok mate :) thanks
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16:12.52tminosif you want to make it easy, you can do DNS round-robin'ing to distribute the load across multiple machines
16:13.04tminosbut if you use PHP sessions or such you are still going to need a shared storage system
16:13.17wolstminos: won't help with the licensing
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16:13.44UlfJackit works if i remove the bitstream vera fonts
16:13.52UlfJackit still doesn't print italic
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16:14.26tminosthose people really need to get a graphic-arts guy to work on their icons.
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16:16.12UlfJackmsttcorefonts breaks it (no umlaut-dots)
16:16.22UlfJackbitstream-vera breaks it (some umlaut-dots)
16:16.31UlfJackare there any other free good fonts?
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16:18.41jetscreamerapt-cache search ttf- is all i can tell you
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16:19.20UlfJackttf-dejavu breaks it
16:19.21wolsUlfJack: could it be a ttf config problem?
16:19.45anabaindoes lightscribe technology work in debian?
16:19.51RedWorkUlfJack: duno if they're free, but I've got a boat load of ttf fonts in a tarball if you want I can try getting it to yo u
16:19.57UlfJackwols: could be, fonts isn't exactly my speciality
16:19.58RedWorkyou, it's about 50mb
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16:20.43UlfJackRedWork: thanks, what kind of ttf fonts? i need standard fonts or standard font replacements
16:20.53UlfJackwols: any idea how i can check the config?
16:20.57jetscreamer!fontdeuglification how-to
16:20.57RedWorkjust a sec...
16:21.03enoufwols: you know -- you're correct, I just spent this time looking it up in my books I got here..I'm wrong - it wasn't till the p4 came out -- BUT, you could add a USB 2.0 controller card ionto the PCI slot and get USB 2.0 speeds that way (because it included it's own chip) - but even then, one needs atleast a pIII , IIRC - a pII wouldn't cut it
16:21.05wolsnot really, it certainly is no specialty of mine either
16:21.07jetscreameri knew it wouldn't work
16:21.34enoufwols I stand corrected :-)
16:21.47wolsenouf: a P2 would cut it, but you probably couldn't use usb2 to its full potential. another possibility is a usb2 chip on a mobo. but it's unlikely
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16:22.05RedWorkUlfJack, looks like mostly funky fonts
16:22.08UlfJackwow, without the bitstream and mstt fonts, firefox sure looks ugly
16:22.37zinxarial unicode ms ftw
16:22.39enoufwols - right, you'd never get full 2.0 speeds on a PII - that's what I'm saying - but that's why I had it in my head that it needs a pIII atleast
16:23.00wolsusb2 sucks anyways. well: intel tech...
16:23.08enoufwols - but built-in mobo support wasn't until the p4
16:23.23enoufwols - I concur completely -- sb does suck
16:23.28enoufusb*
16:23.41wols<PROTECTED>
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16:24.13enoufwols - Where's my damn Firewire, I always used to say ...well then Sony got it's hands on it :-(
16:24.15wolsthe sis chipset didn't but they added a special chip. kinda like they did for GBit ethernet or sata later
16:24.23UlfJackjetscreamer: the deuglification howto isn't really any help
16:24.25wolsdoN#t forget apple
16:24.40UlfJacki installed nice looking fonts, but then it doesn't print umlauts correctly :(
16:24.42wolsboth sony and apple are the same pretty much
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16:25.28enoufwols - right the AMD Socket A smashed the SB and SuperIO into 1 chip then too :-) a super SB
16:25.29UlfJack(the bitstream fonts contain umlaut glyphs)
16:26.06UlfJacki think it might be a bug in the postscript interpreter
16:26.08wolssouthbridge always had the superio chips included. and it was intel who did it in the P2-P3 era :)
16:26.12UlfJackin gv that is
16:26.15enoufwols oh... but sony always screws up everything they touch in the media aspect - they make some nice products but they suck for standards
16:26.29RedWorkit's a 48M tgz with 688 fonts in it, looks like all the MS owned ones and a bunch of others
16:26.50wolsagreed. but apple is the same: they make macs and keep it for themselves, they make the ipod and keep it for themslves
16:26.54RedWorksomegeek, it's copyright and I shouldn't redistribute
16:27.01wolsapple always tries to keep it for themselves and in the end loses out because of it
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16:27.20RedWorks/somegeek/so/
16:27.47enoufwols - no you must misunderstand te SuperIO was/is a Separate chip on the 443 all the way through even in the p4 - socket A amd was different in that reard
16:27.52enoufregard*
16:28.52wolssuper io is a chip for parrport, serport, floppy, etc. THose chips were developed p5 and socket7 boards. and later intel put all that in the southbridge together with the pCI interface and such
16:29.03wolsand no P4 board ever had a super io chip
16:29.27enoufwols - wrong socket 423 P4
16:29.39enoufwols - look it up
16:29.44wolsno P4 mobo evre had a superio chip. none
16:30.01wolsso what do you mean with superio chip? what's was in it?
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16:32.17plundraThe rx/tx counter in ifconfig is (on 32bit systems like x86) a 32 bit unsigned int, right? So it turns over exactly at 2^32?
16:33.24wolsplundra: yes
16:33.42plundrawols: Good, thanks :) Just wanted it confirmed :-)
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16:36.33kelthi, I wasn't sure what channel to ask this on, but it seems that my ssh isn't accepting dsa authentication. I did a ssh-keygen -t dsa and then took the id_dsa.pub file and put it on a server I want to login to, I cat id_dsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys then chmod 644 .ssh/authorized_keys and also I chmod 400 .ssh/id_dsa (my private key on the client system I'll be logging in from)
16:36.36UlfJackcrap
16:36.44UlfJackhttp://users.conquer-space.net/~ulf/output.ps
16:36.53nimurphyhi, installed xserver-xorg on etch 2.6, X fails "could not open default font 'fixed'"
16:36.54UlfJackdoes this show correct umlaut-dots on anyones machine?
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16:36.59nimurphyany suggestions?
16:37.03UlfJack(on all letters)
16:38.26keltalso in my sshd_config I have AuthorizedKeysFile      .ssh/authorized_keys
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16:38.54enoufwols - Intel started terming the NB/SB as MCH/ICH  and so they started labeling the superIO as an "Integrated SuperI/O chip" - it still _was- and is a separate chip -- I know the SB/ICH controls/needs  the speed of the USB 2.0
16:39.37wolsfrom what I read, intel uses the LPC for that chip right? do you know the names of such a superio chip?
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16:41.24enoufwols from what i know ....yes to bridge the gap between the superio and the ICH
16:41.59nimurphycan anyone help me with starting X? fatal error could not find default font fixed
16:42.41roxy_!fixed
16:42.41dpkgif you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep
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16:49.32enoufnimurphy : may nee to use mkfontdir - I had to - but I forget exactly how to link it/point it to what where - something like '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts' but don't quote me on that
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16:49.39enoufneed*
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16:53.56epsilonwhat kind of hostname is 'phx.gbl'?
16:55.17wolsenouf: you were  right this time,even when I can't find the actual chips :(
16:55.37wolsenouf: a local, non "official" one?
16:55.42wolserm epsilon:
16:55.49enoufwols - touche :-) me neither - and I'm still looking
16:56.13epsilonwols: a pseudo hostname?
16:56.36epsiloncause I have tons of that address in my apache access log
16:57.18enoufwols - huh  about local? -- oh I'm looking -- I'll get back for sure - but it's a very slow bus (the LPC) only 6.67MB/sec :-/
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16:57.45enoufwols - the Flash ROM was implemented through it
16:57.46RedWorkradiators.com has an alice bot sort of thing named dwight
16:58.52enoufwols - you're right about thte SiS chipset 733/735 -- that was AMD Duron/Athlon
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17:03.51rokstarehrr... i'm having a problema with ALSA and a SB Live 1024 (EMU10k1)
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17:04.14rokstarit seems that it is all fine (it works with OSS), but alsaconf cannot find it
17:04.34rokstaralso, alsamixer don't find the card too
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17:05.12rokstarit is all well compiled on the kernel (2.6.17.5), but it doesn't work
17:05.24bernoulii cant remember what i did, but i see the wrong mac adr of my wifi in /var/log/messages, is there anything i can do
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17:08.47wolsrokstar: you can't have alsa and oss loaded at the same time
17:08.56wolsonly part that both use is soundcore
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17:10.51dr4g0hi
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17:12.17dr4g0Can anyone tell me how to install debian packages? i know it's easy but i don'tused debian alots of time.. and srry for my english
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17:12.26jetscreameraptitude
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17:12.34Roninor apt-get
17:12.42Ronindr4g0: what is your native language?
17:12.43jetscreameror if you have downloaded a package, dpkg -i blah.deb
17:12.49dr4g0polish
17:12.51dr4g0thx ;))
17:12.53Ronin!pl
17:12.54dpkg[pl] sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl
17:13.19dr4g0thx for info :>
17:13.22enoufwols - aha ...LPC SIO (Low Pin Count, SuperIO ...and FWH for FirmWare Hub - but Intel wanted so bad to make it look like there were only 2 chips with their MCH/ICH/ICH2 stuff for marketing - and it was cheaper and more effective as well to do it that way -- The 850/860 Chipsets usee the same ICH2 = Check out the (ICH or SBridge for the s423 design) 82801 BA I/O Controller Hub info ftp://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/29068702.p
17:13.22enoufpage5
17:14.04dr4g0ok ok i go check it out, thx again :)
17:14.08wolsenouf: so since ich2 it's integrated into the southbridge?
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17:16.06enoufwols the ICH2 performed the same functions as the SB normally -- it just got better and faster -- the slower Keys, Mouse and Serial got handed off to the LPC SIO or FWH which was a LPC bus connection (slow) but still did all that a standard SuperI/O chip does :-)
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17:17.39enoufwols - that PDF has a lot of good orig data about it ;-)
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17:23.22linux2can someoen please help me
17:23.25linux2someone has to know
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17:23.39linux2how to turn off standby perminantly for my screen
17:23.53linux2it turns off after about 5 minutes by default in debian
17:23.55linux2and i hate this
17:24.05linux2and no one seems to know
17:24.14linux2do all of you like your screen to always go blank?
17:24.15pipelinelinux2: in your X configuration, there's an option enabling DPMS.
17:24.23pipelinelinux2: disable it.
17:24.35jellywhat speeds can I expect from a firewire external drive enclosure?  I know have a USB2.0 case and get ~20-25MB/s reads, while the drive when connected to PATA directly does over 50MB/s
17:24.41linux2pipeline, i did that. and still it turns off
17:24.43shingouzlinux2: if you have X running on it, check your xscreensaver too. and stop using so many enters please
17:24.52pipelinejelly: Tried firewire?
17:25.15jellypipeline: no, that's why I ask if anyone else has tried it.
17:25.54RedWorklinux2, xset
17:26.02linux2RedWork, waste of time
17:26.07pipelinejelly: I missed that part.  You can expect somewhat better performance out of firewire 400 than USB2.0
17:26.10linux2it only works the time you do it
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17:26.32linux2ok i will restartX
17:26.36RedWorklinux2, you're on your own then, that's what I use
17:26.39linux2i commented the dpms
17:26.49RedWorkxset -dpms
17:27.01linux2i just removed dpms from xorg.conf
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17:27.09UlfJackthanks for your help
17:27.10UlfJackbye
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17:27.14RedWorkfollowed by xset -s off
17:27.24RedWorkto shut off your screensaver
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17:27.46Georgehey
17:27.53RedWorkhullo
17:28.01Georgeis there a way I can change the default fixed bitmap font on debian?
17:28.14RedWorkshort answer: sure
17:28.16Georgegeorge@carbon ~ $ fc-match fixed
17:28.16George12x13ja.pcf.gz: "Fixed" "ja"
17:28.26GeorgeI want it to be 7x13
17:28.29RedWorklong answer: sure, but I don't know how.
17:28.34linux2RedWork, o i like my screensaver, just the screen always would turn off
17:28.34RedWorkhave you looked in /etc/defaults?
17:28.46linux2just go blank
17:28.49RedWorklinux2, so skip the xset -s off bit
17:29.16RedWorkGeorge, let me see if I can find something
17:30.16RedWorkGeorge, I was thinking of /etc/alternatives
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17:31.14RedWorkGeorge, but it doesn't seem to point to a font
17:31.14GeorgeRedWork: thanks
17:31.26GeorgeRedWork: this is X11, btw
17:31.32GeorgeRedWork: not the console font
17:31.34RedWorkGeorge, thanks, I was about to ask
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17:32.38RedWorkGeorge, /etc/X11/fonts looks promising...
17:33.06GeorgeRedWork: already tried that
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17:33.13RedWorkGeorge, 'course there's always your window manager settings
17:33.18RedWorkGeorge, what WM are you using?
17:33.20webbenI would like to embed some video in a webpage in the most accessible way possible. What format can I serve in that would be good for debian users?
17:33.32GeorgeRedWork: KDE.
17:33.35RedWorkwebben, how about just a link?
17:33.38GeorgeRedWork: and it's nothing to do with the window manager
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17:33.46GeorgeRedWork: all the fonts are labelled as "Fixed"
17:33.46RedWorkGeorge, in the config themes stuff you can change fonts
17:33.52RedWorkahh...
17:33.52GeorgeRedWork: they all have the same identifier string.
17:34.01webbenRedWork: yeah - i want it to be embedded and viewed alongside the text
17:34.02GeorgeRedWork: from what I can tell
17:34.17RedWorkwebben, duno what to say then.
17:34.36webbenRedWork: what video format might debian support out of the box?
17:34.53webbenthen i could at least offer it as an option
17:35.23stonedwebben, anything free thats been packaged
17:35.31RedWorkwebben, define "out of the box"
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17:35.47friz|torDCC SEND FREENODE-MUST-END-TOR-ACCESS 0 0 0
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17:36.00RedWorkit's really going to depend on what options the user chose when they installed
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17:36.17webbenRedWork: i suppose i mean that comes with the default user installation, or failing that, something opensource that most users will have installed
17:36.25RedWorkmpeg 2 is probably your most easily viewed
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17:36.44stoned!dmm
17:36.45dpkgmethinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat)
17:36.46RedWorkI've got all oss stuff here and I can play most anything
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17:36.59webbenRedWork: i thought mpeg2 was proprietary
17:37.08webben(but then i don't know much about video formats)
17:37.12webbenwhat about mpeg4?
17:37.21RedWorkwebben, it may be, but it's also very well supported
17:37.27RedWorkwhich mpeg4 format?
17:37.32abrotmanwebben: theora
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17:37.34RedWorkH264?
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17:37.48RedWorkdivix?
17:37.48abrotmanLoRez: vulnerable?
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17:37.52webbenRedWork: you're asking me sensible questions like I know the answer :(
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17:38.02abrotmanwebben: theora
17:38.09RedWorkwebben, I deal with a lot of video stuff at work
17:38.10webbeni have no idea -- i downloaded a sample mpeg4 from the internet archive
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17:38.17stonedabrotman, theory?
17:38.21abrotmanLoRez: oh ... the DCC router thingie
17:38.24abrotman!theora
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17:38.25dpkgit has been said that theora is an open video codec being developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of their Ogg project.  http://theora.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora
17:38.28RedWorkOGG Theora
17:38.29stoned!theory
17:38.30dpkgmethinks theory is a set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
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17:38.43RedWork!theora
17:38.44dpkgit has been said that theora is an open video codec being developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of their Ogg project.  http://theora.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora
17:38.52webbenabrotman: i've heard of that, i'll take a look
17:39.01abrotmanwebben: and you can get a plugin for windows to watch them there
17:39.08webbenabrotman: do debian users tend to have it installed?
17:39.34RedWorkthey can install it if they don't
17:39.38abrotmanwebben: uh .. if not .. it's pretty easy to get
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17:39.54abrotman!info libtheora0 sarge
17:40.00dpkglibtheora0: (The Theora Video Compression Codec), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.0.0.alpha4-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
17:40.22webbeni can never remember: is sarge stable or testing?
17:40.22abrotmanand the helix-player can also play it
17:40.25RedWork!info libtheora0 etch
17:40.28webbenah - that's handy
17:40.33dpkglibtheora0: (The Theora Video Compression Codec), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.0.0.alpha7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
17:40.39abrotman(i would guess RealPlayer can also)
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17:40.45webbencool
17:40.48abrotmanzophyx: fix your router
17:40.49RedWorksarge is stable, etch is testing, sid is ALWAYS unstable
17:40.51wolsisn't xine with xvid support part of debian?
17:41.03webbenRedwork: ah thanks
17:41.04abrotmanis xvid part of w32codecs?
17:41.08RedWorkwols, it can be, if you install it
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17:41.24webbenwell, thanks for the pointers folks :)
17:41.33wolstheora is only availble "if you install it" too
17:41.48wolsand xvid is probably better than theora in practice right now
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17:41.53abrotmanwols: my question was whether you could play xvid *without* w32codecs
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17:42.06RedWorkwols, that's the way it is with most things, it's there, if you install it.
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17:42.23RedWorkorchid, it's available to be installed.
17:42.45RedWorks/orchid/or/
17:42.52RedWorkdamned nick compleation...
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17:44.01wolsabrotman: from libxine description: It supports MPEG 1/2 and some AVI and Quicktime videos out of the box
17:44.22wolslibxine > 1.1 is however nonfree :(
17:44.38wolsoops. only not availble on some archs
17:44.44wolsso still main
17:44.47abrotmanwols: the old quicktime
17:45.00abrotmannothing new and useful
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17:45.10wolsyes, but: avi. I'd guess this means xvid
17:45.19wolsmpeg2 is useful
17:45.35stonedhaha
17:45.37RedWorkavi is a package, you can put nearly any kind of encoding in it
17:45.41stonedtheora in practice
17:46.05wolsffmpeg is also available. hardly "nothing new and useful"
17:46.24wolsRedWork: I know, but usually it's some sort of mpeg4. usually
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17:46.37abrotmanwols: avi is a container
17:46.38*** kick/#debian [zophyx!i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez] by LoRez (LoRez)
17:46.41RedWork<PROTECTED>
17:47.09abrotmanLoRez: is there a URL we can point them to for more info?
17:47.30LoRezabrotman: I don't know what it is.  just tell them to connect to port 8001 instead of 6667
17:47.44abrotmanLoRez: or update the firmware for their router i guess
17:47.59LoRezI've heard that doesn't always work
17:48.04abrotmanoh .. that sucks
17:48.13shingouzsomeone has invented a new and creative way to screw up freenode, is that it?
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17:48.23abrotmanshingouz: not new .. or creative ..
17:48.24Roninshingouz: nope not freenode
17:48.36shingouzah..
17:48.46wolsis it that dcc exploit?
17:48.52abrotmanyes
17:49.16abrotmanshingouz: http://bloggage.org/archives/94-Another-Courtesy-Problem-Netgear-Routers-and-a-New-Exploit.html
17:49.33shingouzk. thanks abrotman
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17:51.37wolshow do you check if a router is exploitable. How did LoRez know?
17:51.49SpeedyGhmz, whats a nice font for my xterm?
17:51.54LoRezscroll up and look for DCC
17:52.02shingouzhehe.. nasty and annoying
17:52.52DimmuRis it possible to connect sagem x5 to debian via usb and read data from it?
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17:54.15shingouzDimmuR: sounds like you have the hardware there already. try it? shouldn't bork anything
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17:55.06DimmuRshingouz, i tried already - on siemens i just mount sdaX device but on sagem it doesn't even find device
17:55.42shingouzDimmuR: does your system even see the sagem on usb?
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17:55.56abrotmanwols: the guy earlier used the exploit and reset quite a few people
17:56.09DimmuRsha1sum, just that there was usb fullspeed device connected
17:57.06shingouzDimmuR: it should be seen as a disk drive? you sure it is not some kind of a serial connection?
17:57.50DimmuRshingouz, i'm not 100% sure if it should be seen as drive that's why i asked here (lots of peoples mabye some1 use it under debian)
17:58.27shingouzDimmuR: not even sure what the sagem x5 is but i suspect it is some kind of a card reader...
17:58.29enoufabrotman think using a gpg key would block that (dcc) in any way?
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17:58.41abrotmanenouf: eh .. why?
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17:58.44abrotmanDocOC: fix your router
17:58.49enoufabrotman without changing ports
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17:58.56wolsabrotman: then he shouldn't be banned. he should be klined
17:58.56abrotmanDocOC: or join freenode on port 8001
17:59.02abrotmanwols: he who?
17:59.05abrotmanenouf: nfc
17:59.11Roninor better yet replace it with a nix firewall :)
17:59.12DocOCabrotman: not me, it was a script-kiddie, and I did just join on 8001
17:59.21wolsthe going trying to exploit people with the annoyance
17:59.26abrotmanDocOC: ok .. see if a firmware upgrade fixes your router
17:59.27DimmuRshingouz, it's cellphone
17:59.28shingouzDimmuR: hit lsusb and see what it spits out
17:59.39abrotmanwols: i'm sure he was .. but they go through proxies and tor ..
17:59.50wolsRonin: wrong. replace it with a DEBIAN firewall, duh!
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17:59.59shingouzDimmuR: oh. in that case i suspect it is a serial connection and you should use obex to push files to it
18:00.05DocOCabrotman: can you point mi in information on this dc c exploit?
18:00.11DimmuRshingouz, Bus 005 Device 002: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
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18:00.15DimmuRin lsusb
18:00.20DocOCs/mi\ in/me\ at/
18:00.28shingouzDimmuR: usb serial, pl2303
18:00.31wols19:49 < abrotman> shingouz: http://bloggage.org/archives/94-Another-Courtesy-Problem-Netgear-Routers-and-a-New-Exploit.html
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18:01.10abrotmanwols: right .. and ?
18:01.16abrotmanDocOC: oh ^^
18:01.26abrotmanwols: sorry .. i thought you were showing me :)
18:01.39shingouzDimmuR: sounds like a routine thing then. plug in the cable, you can use the modem on ttyS0 (or sometihng) with PPP, for file transfers i suspect you should use obex
18:01.45enoufDocOC follow the next link from there
18:01.51DocOCabrotman: well, unless it is a problem with linksys routers too, then I was disconnected for unrelated reasons.
18:02.06wolsabrotman: I debated of just pasting the url and nothing else, but then I thought I'd commit a copyright violation :P
18:02.15enoufDocOC Yes it is with Linksys too certain models
18:02.19wolsDocOC: lots of routers have the problem
18:02.44DimmuRshingouz, thx i try it
18:03.33abrotmanwols: yay!
18:03.37abrotmanDocOC: it is
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18:03.47shingouzDimmuR: i have never personally tried openobex but i know a lot of cellphones support it. the prolific pl2303 is in linux and can be used
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18:05.57shingouzi need to go install some food
18:05.57jetscreamer!radiant
18:06.04jetscreamer!gtkradiant
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18:09.23amphiDimmuR: /dev/ttyACM0 perhaps
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18:10.02amphiDimmuR: if bluetooth is a possibility, that might be easier
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18:10.15SpeedyGhey guys whats a nice font to use at a 17" CRT with 1280x1024 resolution in my Xterm?
18:11.04abrotmanthe one you like
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18:11.14sparrworkI have a basic linux installation, effectively distro-free.  Would it be possible to 'upgrade' to debian in place?
18:11.16abrotmani prefer Wingdings .. but i'm weird
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18:11.31abrotman!tell sparrwork about debootstrap
18:11.37abrotman!tell sparrwork about debtakeover
18:12.00abrotmansparrwork: i believe deboostrap is the preferred method now
18:12.12SpeedyGabrotman: which one do you use?
18:12.24sparrworkabrotman: are either of those truly minimal?  i have very tight space constraints
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18:13.12SnakeDoes debian have any plans on releasing bo peep in the future?
18:14.21dvs!bo
18:14.21dpkgfrom memory, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture..  Little Bo Peep...  as in, the one with the sheep.  Bolivia
18:14.34dvsBolivia?
18:14.42wolsTLD
18:14.43SnakeOh I didn't know bo was short for that :)
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18:16.10abrotmansparrwork: they would install a minimal install
18:16.11markrhi anyone have any problems with ntpdate not starting properly on reboot? anyone have any ideas on the best way to start it?
18:16.15abrotmanSpeedyG: i do fresh installs :)
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18:16.31dvsmarkr: what do you mean "not starting properly"?
18:16.43abrotmanyou know .. sets the time to swatch time :)
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18:17.27markrit works if i restart the script from inetd but its like its not going away and getting the correct time if the script starts when i reboot
18:17.48wolsmarkr: ntpdate isn't supposed to start on bootup normally. and when it runs, it only sets the clock and exits again
18:18.09wolsare you connected to the internet when booting up and ntpdate runs?
18:18.10markryes its not doing the setting the clock bit at all
18:18.37wolswhen exactly are you starting it?
18:18.43wolsand how?
18:18.50markrhmm that could be it wols is there a way to change the priority of init.d scripts so that it will run after the network stuff?
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18:19.10markri simply installed with apt-get initially
18:19.29wolsyou did more than that. ntpdate ddoesn't start on bootup when simply installed
18:19.31abrotmanyou mean ntpd or ntpdate ?
18:19.34wolsso how did you make it run on boot?
18:19.36abrotmanthey are different things
18:19.52markrok...
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18:21.05abrotmanmarkr: which one are you trying to do .. run a timeserver .. or sync your time ?
18:21.10markrsync :)
18:21.18wolsthen you need ntpdate
18:21.21abrotmanthen you do not need ntpd .. just ntpdate
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18:21.28wolsand you haven't answered my questions
18:21.58abrotmanmarkr: dpkg -l ntp*
18:22.06markrwols it doesnt run on boot, at least I don't think it does
18:22.31abrotmanmarkr: how many packages are there?
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18:23.42godlikewrathAnyone do any backporting with pbuilder?
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18:23.55wols!anyone
18:23.55dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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18:24.14godlikewrathI'm having trouble getting apt-ftparchive working inside of pbuilder
18:24.38godlikewrathI'm following a guide that uses hooks for invoking apt-ftparchive every run
18:24.48godlikewrathbut apt-ftparchive isn't in the pbuilder environment
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18:25.01wolschroot?
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18:25.29godlikewrathit unpacks the environment on every run so I don't know how to add apt-ftparchive to it
18:25.31lunitikwols: apt-cache show pbuilder ...
18:26.05lunitikwols: "pbuilder constructs a chroot system, and builds a package inside the chroot"
18:26.53lipe_iplssomeone, could please help me with my LAN ?? Why i ping, the answer i have is " from ... icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable"
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18:27.03lipe_iplssomeone, could please help me with my LAN ?? Why i ping, the answer i have is " from ... icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable"... what should i do, please ?
18:27.06godlikewrathmaybe I could unpack the environment, chroot, apt-get install apt-utils and repack the chroot?
18:27.07nimurphyhey, can anyone help me with a wireless setup? its not really a debian thing i don't think. dhclient works for the wired conn, but not for the wireles on the same network...
18:27.28godlikewrathwould this mess anything up?
18:27.32thelostbutlernimurphy: what are the tools you are using to set it up ?
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18:27.47nimurphyeh, just ifconfig and dhclient
18:28.06markrtry iwconfig
18:28.17lunitiklipe_ipls: that means configuration is wrong... can you ping localhost at least?
18:28.20nimurphyi can ping local machines, just can't get past the gateway to (eg) the dns servers
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18:28.41abrotmanis your netmask wrong?
18:28.44thelostbutlernimurphy: hmmn you need iwconfig first. it comes in the wireless-tools package
18:28.47lunitiklipe_ipls: actually, either configuration is wrong, or host is down...
18:28.47abrotmanDocOC: find a new firmware?
18:28.48kurumin!packs
18:28.56abrotman!kurumin
18:28.57dpkgKurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away..  Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br
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18:29.09DocOCabrotman: not yet, but I am connected to 8001, so I should be safe until I do.
18:29.16abrotmanokeedokee
18:29.51DocOCabrotman: I just disconnected before because I was looking for a server op to test the exploit on me, and I didn't want to join-flood the channel because of it.
18:30.05abrotmanah ok
18:30.34lunitikabrotman: more issues with certain nics again? I've been getting disconnected rather a lot again last couple days   :(
18:30.43nimurphythelostbutler: i have iwconfig. the interface is up.
18:31.14thelostbutlernimurphy: did you config with the correct essid?
18:31.25abrotmanlunitik: no . it's your router
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18:31.42abrotmanlunitik: look for a router firmware upgrade and/or connect to freenode on 8001
18:32.04abrotmanlunitik: guess the PO didn't drag you in eh? :)
18:32.32lunitikabrotman: same issue though? ahh, I hadn't reconfigured last time I installed Konvi  :/
18:32.37abrotmanlunitik: your router is vulnerable to the DCC issue
18:32.59nimurphythelostbutler: i don't know what it should be. i can ping the gateway and other machines on the network, just can't get through
18:33.12lunitikabrotman: actually went quite well, just have to ensure I pay them, at least small amounts... brb though, reconnecting on different port.
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18:34.18lunitikThat should be better...
18:34.39nimurphythelostbutler: a friend was using a wireless laptop with xp. just set the gateway on his connection and it was fine
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18:35.35lunitiknimurphy: that means that wap is insecure as hell... neat, free internet for all the neighbors  :D
18:35.46bender183:D
18:35.53TalluI enabled userquota on /home by doing this: /dev/mapper/vg1-home /home           ext3    defaults,usrquota        0       2
18:36.02TalluNow, is there a way for me to remount it without restarting the computer?
18:36.10nimurphythelostbutler: oh yeah, i'm well aware
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18:36.46nimurphythelostbutler: but i don't think any of them know about it!
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18:38.11Tallulunitik: nope.. dont see him either :P
18:38.19Ronini was wondering that as well lunitik
18:38.48DocOCdamn, there is no newer version of the firmware than what I am running. I suspected as much, pretty new product.
18:38.53nimurphywho knows
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18:39.54nimurphythelostbutler: any suggestions on that gateway problem?
18:40.16nimurphyright, a little slow today eh
18:40.16lunitiknimurphy: fix your autocomplete or something
18:40.24nimurphymyself that is
18:40.26YeTr2tell me, how the heck do I make debian stop assigning a 169.254.x.x address to an interface automatically if it doesn't recieve configuration?
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18:40.53lunitikYeTr2: apt-get remove --purge zeroconf
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18:42.08YeTr2thanks
18:42.20lunitikYeTr2: apt-cache show zeroconf even states it assigns those addresses...
18:42.40YeTr2yeah, I see that in aptitude
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18:43.17nimurphyhmm
18:43.21rowcan UML host systems hav a lvm root?
18:43.24YeTr2It's just annoying that I would assign an ip manually via ipconfig, start updating the firmware on a router, then have zeroconf, I guess, come over, change the ip, and kill the router
18:43.34nimurphythink i have it sorted. cheers.
18:43.44aLTerppl, I installed Debian GNU/Linux testing Etch 20060803 amd64 (three dvds); all is fine, but apt-get install subversion doesn't installs it :-( Everything else works as usual :-/
18:44.10aLTerapt-cache search subversion also doesn't lists subversion :-(
18:44.40rower
18:44.51lunitikaLTer: using internet as apt source? sounds like you're just using discs in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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18:45.36aLTerlunitik, exactly. I use only DVDs.
18:45.38rowaLTer: also make sure you apt-get update first as its http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/subversion
18:45.40lunitikI've never played with CD based debian
18:45.55rowaLTer: why only use cds?
18:46.01rowyou have the internet....
18:46.12lunitikaLTer: slow net connection?
18:46.23aLTerrow, local internet is bullshit.
18:46.24YeTr2yay dialup?
18:46.33aLTernope, cable.
18:46.41rowcable should be enough
18:46.43YeTr2eww
18:46.45rowdebs are not large
18:46.57aLTeryes, but this cable internet is bullshit.
18:47.06rowhow bullshit is bullshit?
18:47.18rowyou wasted all that time download dvds? you probs could of done a net install faster no?
18:47.23SeanTaterhow can I start over and try apt keys from the beginning? Apt won't authenticate anything, and debmirror won't do /anything/.
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18:48.04lunitikSeanTater: umm, reinstall? apt-keys should work any time though  :/
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18:48.36aLTerrow, I download 3 dvds ~24h, and now I install debian in on 30mins. with network install it would took all the day.
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18:49.06SeanTaterlunitik: reinstall debian? Hum --
18:49.06row24h for 3 dvds is not bad
18:49.11lunitikaLTer: debian takes me about 2 hours to install and get up to a functional system...
18:49.16rowyou would been better off with a netinstall tbh
18:49.17aLTerduring dvd downloading I can work, not wait while packages are downloaded... And I don't have to reboot cable modem every 3-4h :)
18:49.18lunitikSeanTater: to "start over" yes...
18:49.32geeKISSexyHi!! I have an ipw3945 wireless card which I'm trying to run in Ad-Hoc mode. But I'm not able to ping the other host.
18:49.43geeKISSexyHave people here been able to use ipw3945 in Ad-Hoc mode ?
18:50.59wolsaLTer: it would take a few hours in which you could do various other things
18:51.14wolslunitik: no AP
18:51.39geeKISSexylunitik: In Ad-Hoc mode you can make two laptops talk to each other without an access point.
18:52.06aLTerwols, well... it done already. After reading http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/subversion I still can't understand why there is no subversion of these 3 DVDs :)
18:52.30rowaLTer: maybe you have wrong dvd in?
18:52.34wolsaLTer: there is jigdo
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18:53.07aLTerrow, all three DVDs marked right.
18:53.18rowmarked right?
18:53.35rowaLTer: search the dvds check if its there if it is just dpkg -i it
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18:53.50aLTerdeb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 Binary-1 (20060803)]/ etch contrib main
18:53.53rowI have never done a non netinstall
18:53.55aLTerand -2, -3.
18:54.16Baloofacan I get some help for Knoppix here since its debian-based?
18:54.23wols!debian based
18:54.24dpkgYou're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages.  You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>
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18:54.48rowaLTer: not sure but might be in non-free
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18:54.54RoninBaloofa: try #knopix
18:54.56rowif there is a non free anymore meh I think there is
18:55.01Roninumm #knoppix may be better actually
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18:55.03wolsaLTer: you should still add sources from mirrors in your sources.list now
18:55.09aLTerrow, no way. subversion is free software.
18:55.15BaloofaIve tried, been there for half an hour, and no one is helping for anything
18:55.50wolsBaloofa: use a knoppix forum or mailinglist then
18:55.58Roninor install debian
18:56.03rowaLTer: nah its main, never knwo something might be non-free about a lib or something
18:56.14wolsrow: the reeducation camp helped I see :)
18:56.24BaloofaI installed the Debian system from Knoppix
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18:56.31wolsBaloofa: you cannot do that
18:56.32aLTerthereis no subversion-*.deb on dvd-1 ;( seems I must add network sources...
18:56.34dvsBaloofa: then you dont have debian
18:56.36RoninBaloofa: still not debian
18:56.36lunitikBaloofa: they're not helping you, and we *can't* help... seems you're sol
18:56.42dvsBaloofa: you have a messed up Knoppix
18:57.36rowwols?
18:57.48Baloofalol well, its Knoppix 5. everything works except....it wont mount my thumbdrive, and its FAT32 :S
18:58.07lunitikBaloofa: seriously, /part
18:58.15row[19:55] <wols> row: the reeducation camp helped I see :) <--- eh?
18:58.16wolsshould have been ronin
18:58.41rowoh erroed tab complete
18:58.42row:)
18:59.00TalluYesssss... got quotas up and running now. :)
18:59.05wolsnot really. I typed "ro" then tab. but you got a quip in before I hit enter :)
18:59.47wols!Love SeanTater
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19:00.10RoninSeanTater: heh
19:00.12SeanTater!lart wols
19:00.41SeanTater:D
19:00.52wolsI'm not dead yet!
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19:01.21abrotmanwols: i can fix that
19:01.24abrotman!kill wols
19:01.30abrotmanthat's a kill?!
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19:02.01wolshehe
19:02.48wolsabrotman: if you want a job done right, do it yourself. DOn't be a coward and let the bot do it for you :)
19:03.09aLTerI found why there is no subversion, cuz in testing/amd64 it is omitted for some reason :-/
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19:04.33abrotmangood enough ?
19:04.43abrotmanaLTer: svn maybe?
19:05.00DocOCI'm pretty sure that is a violation of the Geneva Convention.
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19:05.16abrotmaneh .. guess not
19:05.28abrotmanaLTer: indeed .. not in testing yet ..
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19:06.36mepplguten abend
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19:07.04abrotmanagain?
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19:07.32aLTerabrotman, no, not svn. I tried already.
19:07.52abrotmanaLTer: yeah .. it's not there ...
19:08.04abrotmanaLTer: maybe contact the maintainer to find out what's going on
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19:08.24aLTerabrotman, how? :-|
19:08.39abrotman!maint subversion
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19:08.50dpkgsubversion: Guilherme de S. Pastore <gpastore@debian.org>
19:09.01aLTerabrotman, 10x
19:09.19aLTer!main darcs
19:09.22aLTer!maint darcs
19:09.25dpkgdarcs: Isaac Jones <ijones@debian.org>
19:09.34abrotmanaLTer: that info is also available on packages.debian.org
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19:11.38jonkriany idea why "jon:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8# MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg modules_image" gives me "The modules_* targets should be called from a fully configured source tree, and one where at least make-kpkg debian has been run"?
19:11.49jonkrii want to compile the nvidia modules. thanks in advance!
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19:12.48rummik_clonealoha
19:12.48rummik_cloneI'm using Debian unstable and need some h31p
19:12.49abrotman!nvidia one0-liner
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19:12.49abrotman!nvidia one-liner
19:12.49dpkgrumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>  If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>.
19:12.50abrotmanrummik_clone: you need "help" ?
19:12.55lollhi
19:12.59jonkriomg
19:13.01rummik_cloneyes please
19:13.09abrotmanso ask your question .. in english
19:13.11lollHI. some developer of LINEX?
19:13.32abrotmanloll: maybe try #debian-es
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19:13.38rummik_clonefor whatever reason, I am not able to mount my thumbdrive
19:13.39abrotmanmight have to go to OFTC for that
19:13.43lollcourse
19:13.56rummik_cloneits formatted as FAT32, and wouldnt work, so I tried reformatting as FAT, still wont work
19:14.05abrotmanrummik_clone: FFS GO TO #KNOPPIX
19:14.19Tallurummik_clone: you were just here asking with knoppix..
19:14.21abrotmaneither install debian .. or go to #knoppix
19:14.26rummik_clonebeen there, done that, no one will answer at all
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19:14.32abrotmanrummik_clone: then install debian
19:14.43Tallurummik_clone: you can try ##linux too, but this is definately the wrong place to ask
19:14.58jonkriabrotman, "Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.". i have debian testing
19:15.06abrotmaneh ...
19:15.10rummik_clonew/e Knoppix is Debian unstable. if you cant help someone with it, you must not know debian well
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19:15.13abrotmanjonkri: you need contrib and non-free in your sources
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19:15.32Talluwhat an annoying attitude he had
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19:15.58jonkriabrotman, oh, i have them, look: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing contrib non-free main
19:16.00DocOChahaha. Tinsleydale is Cheddar. If you don't know that, you don't know Cheese.
19:16.15abrotman!info nvidia-glx etch
19:16.33jonkridpkg, awake?
19:16.34dpkghmm... caffeine is every programmers greatest need or the giver of life-source and the taker of sleep or necessary for most system administrators who have to deal with idiots who think that the world starts at 9a and ends at 5p. http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/20000710.gif, or http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine.shtml
19:16.39jonkri:)
19:16.48abrotman!+info nvidia-glx etch
19:16.50dpkgPackage 'nvidia-glx' does not exist.
19:17.12Mohuahttp://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-efb11c2ded8b912df5e976aa3b5b4956edd87d6a
19:18.04jonkriwhich ones should i use?
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19:22.10jonkriomg, i forgot to tell you i'm on amd64
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19:22.33jonkrinew processor, didn't think of mention it... abrotman, Mohua
19:23.15jonkrilunitik, i think it got something to do with xorg
19:23.31lunitikjonkri: sid has xorg...
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19:23.57abrotmannvidia sucks? :)
19:24.11lunitikabrotman: well duh, but still....
19:24.18abrotman!why is nvidia-glx not in testing
19:24.19dpkgnvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx
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19:26.30jonkrilunitik, yes, but sid has also newer packages
19:26.36jonkriok, thanks guys, need to restart
19:26.43jetscreamerhax!
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19:32.56ExecutionHi there how can I make a pppoe connection through ppp to auto reconnect if disconnected from the provider side?
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19:34.32scruffyExecution: not sure about the official way to do it, but I always used a cronjob when I used ppp.
19:34.41Thanatermesisis dpkg-reconfigure locales the actual correct way for set a language of the system ?
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19:35.26km-anyone here fluent in ipsec?  I'm having a pretty odd problem that I think may be in the kernel
19:36.07roxy_how can I escapre ' in a egrep ?
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19:36.38Thanatermesisroxy_, \' ?
19:36.42km-I'm using isakmpd to auto-key an ipsec connection between two endpoints.  The endpoints connect and the SA's are created.  However, on one of my systems, the packets bound for eth1 (local lan) always pop out on eth0, even though if I ping from that machine to local machines, they will go out on eth1.  It's almost like the SA doesn't follow the machine's routing table and instead just drops the packets on the interface that the SA was created on
19:37.02roxy_Thanatermesis: no if I do egrep '\''     it expect more
19:37.23km-roxy_, try \\'?
19:37.26plundraroxy_: grep "'" ? :)
19:37.34km-sans the ?
19:37.55plundraUhm, yeah :P Preferably a file/whatever
19:37.59roxy_km-: I tried from 1 to 4 \ without success
19:38.05km-roxy_, curious
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19:38.12km-plundra, I was referring to my ? at the end of my string :)
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19:38.18plundrakm-: Oh :P
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19:39.36roxy_plundra: I don't think I can't , I am not running the egrep, logcheck is doing it
19:39.37kombihow do you copy a complete disk again?
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19:39.54kombiI remember there was some tool..
19:39.58sprinkI skipped the network setup during installation.. can I go back to that now?
19:40.11scruffykombi: dd, or I use rsync
19:40.27kombidd it was!
19:40.30streunerkombi: partimage?
19:40.30scruffykombi: i haven't had much success with dd and large disks though
19:40.51kombiscruffy: define large
19:41.13scruffykombi: 160 gigabytes was my attempt
19:41.34kombiscruffy: that unfortunately is exactly the task..;)
19:41.44scruffykombi: was over the network, I think..
19:41.45Thanatermesishow change the language on debian ? :)
19:42.03kombistreuner: partimage is command line too?
19:42.14streuner!info partimage
19:42.20dpkgpartimage: (backup partitions into a compressed image file), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-15 (sid), Packaged size: 280 kB, Installed size: 948 kB
19:42.38lunitikThanatermesis: dpkg-reconfigure locales ...
19:42.53kombistreuner: sounds good!
19:42.58streunerkombi: yes
19:43.08streuneryeah, its a cool tool :-)
19:43.14kombidoes it work well on large partiitions also?
19:43.15lunitikThanatermesis: to change back to English for tech support scenarios, 'LANG=C appthatyouneedhelpwith'
19:43.42lunitikThanatermesis: that will only run that instance of that app in English... so we can assist better  :D
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19:44.46Thanatermesisim making tests... i think to i have problems since the new LC_MESSAGES is added
19:44.49sprinkare there any tools in debian for detecting ethernet?
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19:44.53kombistreuner: is it on a knoppix distro?
19:45.01streunerkombi: look into /usr/share/doc/partimage/ there should be something mention then
19:45.44streunerkombi: at least iin 3.8 :-)
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19:47.42streunerkombi: well, its a little powerful tool, so i think knopper put in on all versions..
19:47.53kombikewl!
19:48.07scruffysprink: do you mean like DHCP, or do you mean detecting the presence of eth0?
19:48.21lipe_iplssomeone can tell me, how to solve this problem ... i've a LAN working ... i can ping, etc ... but when i will use a ssh command, it says that connection refused ... how can i solve it? please ..
19:48.24[6502]Yo... anyone can give me any pointer about using the FoxitReader on a debian sarge ? I get an error about missing libXinerama.so.1, but I can only find /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.a ...
19:48.26kombisprink: ifconfig
19:48.34streunerkombi: but in doubt check some mirror, they have package-lists...
19:49.07Thanatermesislunitik, if is the LANG var who set the language of the apps... why exist this lot of variables  ?
19:49.14scruffylipe_ipls: is sshd running? (/etc/init.d/ssh start)
19:49.16kombilipe_ipls: sshd running somewhere
19:49.30kombiscruffy: you were first..;)
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19:50.00lipe_iplslipe:/home/lipe# /etc/init.d/ssh start
19:50.00lipe_iplsOpenBSD Secure Shell server not in use (/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run)
19:50.15lunitikThanatermesis: they are for different things... LANG is only variable that is needed for the language though...
19:50.17kombi,jle
19:50.24scruffylipe_ipls: rm -f /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run
19:50.58lipe_iplsscruffy, lipe:/home/lipe# ssh root@192.168.0.2
19:50.58lipe_iplsssh: connect to host 192.168.0.2 port 22: Connection refused
19:51.10[6502]lunitik: there are also LC_ALL and LANGUAGE
19:51.12scruffylipe_ipls: if you're using static local IPs, also create hosts file entries or you migth have problems and/or delays
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19:51.23scruffylipe_ipls: man hosts.allow
19:51.29lipe_iplsok
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19:52.48lipe_iplsscruffy, yes, i'm using a static local ipls
19:53.05scruffylipe_ipls: also make sure sshd is actually running after removing the sshd_not_to_be_run file
19:53.28scruffylipe_ipls: 192.168.0.2 -- are you sure that wasn't DHCP assigned dynamic?
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19:53.40lipe_iplsscruffy, yes ... static one
19:54.04lipe_iplsscruffy, i had a problem like that, and a guy in this chat, told me to install ssh
19:54.10scruffylipe_ipls: try adding ALL: LOCAL to hosts.allow
19:54.42lipe_iplsok
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19:54.51lipe_iplsin this path right? /etc/hosts.allow
19:54.51lipe_ipls?
19:54.53Thanatermesislunitik, after to strace a error of locales, i think to my problem is because i need to install the package "locales-all" :)
19:55.09lunitik[6502]: yes, neither are needed to have apps display things in English though... only "LANG=C someapp"
19:55.09scruffylipe_ipls: yes.. also, sshd should be running on 192.168.0.2
19:55.13Thanatermesisbut wow... 15 mb compressed and 80 for put on my system :S
19:55.20Thanatermesisi hope to not are this.. my problem
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19:56.02lunitikThanatermesis: I don't have that installed... shouldn't need that...
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19:56.41lunitikThanatermesis: its realistic that you may need English locale and your native locale.... but not every locale there is  :/
19:57.10[6502]lunitik: i only remember that I had to fight a lot to get a qt application just working with my US system because the application has been localized in italian
19:57.21lunitikI'd doubt that too, but certainly no need for everything...
19:57.22lipe_iplsscruffy, see, it isn't necessary it ... i solve the problem :) ... just type " dpkg-reconfigure ssh" in both machines .. so ... its working :) that u a lot
19:57.35scruffylipe_ipls: ah, good as well
19:57.43lipe_iplsscruffy, thx u very much
19:57.51Thanatermesismmh.. same problem.. let me try anotehr thing
19:57.54[6502]lunitik: the sad part was that i found "you may try this... you may try that" ... either do or do not. there's no try :-)
19:58.41ekixhi. samba (3.0.23b-1) seems to be broken in unstable, is this a known issue?
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19:58.53lunitikekix: I bet BTS knows
19:58.55ekixbroken as in smbd does not start
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19:59.19ekixlunitik, i browsed the bug tracking system, but hmm.. perhaps i should look again, thanks :)
19:59.21lunitikekix: you lose the right to come here complaining about things when you dist-upgrade to sid.
19:59.49ekixlunitik, i didn't complain ;)
19:59.56lunitikekix: if its not there... I guess you have to file the bug yourself... *g*
20:00.08mohkohnhello. is anybody else here having problems with msttcorefonts
20:00.09mohkohn?
20:00.28lunitikmohkohn: such as?
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20:00.49mohkohnI seem to be timing out. failed: Connection timed out.
20:00.53lunitikmohkohn: they appear to be ok here... but I don't utilize them for anything but PokerStars.NET
20:01.02henk1HI, I have an lvm partition that says it's open but I can see why. I want to remove it but even the -f function does not work. How can I find out what is keeping it open or how do i make force work?
20:01.11lunitikmohkohn: ok... it should just go to another mirror...
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20:01.51lunitikmohkohn: msttcorefonts isn't technically in debian... its just a script that goes to get them for you...
20:01.59lunitikmohkohn: the script worked here 2 days ago...
20:03.23mohkohnI was aware it was a script. The fonts try to download from sourceforge
20:03.33mohkohnbut I keep getting the timeout
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20:03.49mohkohnmight be because I am sitting in Sudan with slow internet
20:04.02[6502]hmmm... looks like the fabulous FoxitReader "it's a single file" doesn't mention all the dynamic libraries it assumes are on your system... bah
20:04.24[6502]dynamic libraries are the root of all evil
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20:04.38lunitikmohkohn: just try again later... maybe the mirrors are having issues... not an issue for here...
20:04.43k31thi need to scp a file however i have ssh on the remote box listning on a different port to standard how do i specifi a port with scp ?
20:04.49wols[6502]: you want 2GB minimum sys requirement for linux?
20:05.01dabreegster[6502]: Not really... they're rather useful for reducing binary filesize
20:05.11jattk31th: man scp
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20:05.14ekixlunitik, it was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382296 . the fix was quite simple, now my samba works. "thanks" ;)
20:05.22dabreegsterPlus maintaining libraries. Imagine updating hundreds of binaries every time a fix is added.
20:05.25wolsk31th: man scp, /port
20:05.30lunitikekix: :D
20:06.02[6502]wols: dynamic libraries make sense only for things that change slooooooooooooooooowly; for anything else they're just more trouble
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20:07.09dhuvhello all
20:07.11mohkohnlunitik, I agree the problem is at the sourceforge end. thanks
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20:07.22[6502]wols: I thought that the DLL HELL of windows 98 taught something, but apparently this is not the case
20:08.06dhuvwhen I do an apt-get upgrade, I see that some packages are kept back, what are the reasons that they are kept back? I tried to do a dpkg --get-selections to see if it was on hold or not and it isnt on hold
20:08.12dhuvwhy would they not upgrade?
20:08.13[6502]wols: one Gb of mass storage is now at about 50 eurocent
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20:09.50dondelelcarok31th: look for # if you haven't found it already
20:09.55stonedor like $1
20:10.04k31thdondelelcaro: i gots it ta
20:10.10k31ththanks guys
20:10.33[6502]wols: of course I'm sure that there's no way to write a PDF viewer without needing Xinerama as a shared library or libstc++.so.6
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20:10.39dabreegster[6502]: So when a fix is added to libc that fixes a major exploit, the user is expected to redownload every binary depending on libc?
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20:11.53lindenleanyone know of a utility to convert a4 pdf's to letter?
20:12.09abrotmanreprint them ?
20:12.13dondelelcaro[6502]: furthermore, users are expected to waste all of that memory to keep multiple copies of what should be the same code in memory?
20:12.29lindenleabrotman: No i mean before printing so it will fit on letter
20:13.03dondelelcarolindenle: you can use a2ps to do it
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20:13.24abrotmanwhy can't the world just agree on one paper size?!?
20:13.43lindenleabrotman: Lets start a campaign
20:13.45dondelelcaroabrotman: because the US is stupid, and we can't use A4 for some reason
20:14.16simonrvnwoohoo. the box doesn't see all the full 256 MB stick though
20:14.38dondelelcarogranted, even the metric paper size system gets complex with the A, B, and C sizes...
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20:15.28abrotmandondelelcaro: <redneck>The rest of the world should change... Let's invade France and make them switch</redneck>
20:15.42dondelelcaroabrotman: heh
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20:16.14k1ll4killincan anyone help me get a hold of the kernel source tree for the latest debian sarge network installer?
20:16.30abrotmani'm surprised HP hasn't started a lobby effort to have it switched just to drum up revenue
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20:16.45dondelelcaroabrotman: their printers can all print A4...
20:16.57recon0Which CD image for install should I use for a desktop computer?
20:17.06abrotmandondelelcaro: not some of the newer smaller ones
20:17.20dondelelcaroabrotman: they should be able to, A4 being narrower and longer
20:17.22abrotmanat least .. they don't appear to be able to
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20:17.29abrotmandondelelcaro: the longer being the catch
20:17.42dondelelcaroabrotman: yeah, but it's only a few centimeters
20:18.21abrotmansilly goofs .. everyone should use a4 and buy litres of gas ...
20:18.53dondelelcarono argument here
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20:19.42dondelelcaro!convert 297mm-11in to cm
20:19.45dpkg297mm-11in cannot be converted to cm: conformability error
20:19.49abrotmanhaha
20:19.52dondelelcaro!convert 297mm - 11in to cm
20:19.54dpkg297mm - 11in cannot be converted to cm: conformability error
20:19.58dondelelcaro!convert 297 mm - 11 in to cm
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20:20.00dpkg297 mm - 11 in cannot be converted to cm: conformability error
20:20.04dondelelcarobah.
20:20.33recon0To install debian, do I need to get ALL 14 disks of sarge?
20:20.33dondelelcaroanyway, the answer is 1.76 cm
20:20.41dondelelcarorecon0: you just need a netinst cd.
20:20.44cydorkrecon0, no
20:20.56wolsA4 and the others are another of those silly "formats". what's wrong with 20cm x 30cm?
20:20.58SJr|WorkIs there an updated PPP document that covers a newer kernel than 2.2. My specific question is can ppp support getting the dns servers on connect.
20:21.13abrotmanyes
20:21.15wolsSJr|Work: it can
20:21.24recon0dondelelcaro: cydork: so I only need the netinstCD image?
20:21.41SJr|Workwell lemme rephrase does linux support it now, as the PPP HowTO says its impossible, and unlikely that Linux ever will.
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20:22.15wolsSJr|Work: it does and has for a LONG time
20:22.25abrotmanlike .. LONG LONG
20:22.29dondelelcarowols: the issue becomes when you go to larger sizes
20:22.40wolsdondelelcaro: how so?
20:22.48SJr|Workokay
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20:22.56wolsSJr|Work: option usepeerdns
20:22.58SJr|Workis the PPP howto still useful or is there a better one
20:23.05dondelelcarowols: you stop being at useful numbers, and more importantly, the area of the page is no longer a constant
20:23.17dondelelcaros/constant/useful number/
20:24.12wolsdondelelcaro: how us 841 × 1189 mm useful?
20:24.14wols*is
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20:24.26dondelelcarowols: it's a square meter
20:24.32threshhey
20:25.07dondelelcarowols: which means that now you've got a useful way of knowing exactly how much A0 weighs, because paper weight is given in grams/m^2...
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20:26.14wolsand the other formats are all different (B to E) do they have a squaremeter size too?
20:26.18dondelelcarowols: yes.
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20:26.46dondelelcarowols: B is sqrt(2) meters, C is 2^(1/4), etc.
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20:27.17dondelelcarowols: and the ratio of width/height in A is sqrt(2)
20:27.21wolsah
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20:27.59knowwhowhat's the difference between "/sbin" and "/bin" ?
20:28.03dondelelcaro(this off topic discussion brought to you by the square root of 2)
20:28.22wolsdondelelcaro: #debian is a great learning channel. we're here to learn, right?
20:28.23dondelelcaroknowwho: things in sbin are generally for the super user, things in /bin are for normal users.
20:28.23finrodknowwho: The former is for things only to be executed by root
20:28.41knowwhooh ic
20:28.52dondelelcaro!fhs
20:28.53dpkgmethinks fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package
20:29.04dondelelcaroknowwho: see above if you want to know the "official" definition
20:29.41knowwho<PROTECTED>
20:29.41knowwho/dev/hde1   *           1         555     4195768+   b  W95 FAT32
20:29.52knowwho^^ does that mean my hdd is FAT32?
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20:30.16knowwhobut when i "df" /dev/hde1 shows as "ext3"
20:30.32LoRezknowwho: no, it means your partition is labeled as such.
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20:31.07knowwho/dev/hde1     ext3    4.0G  3.2G  564M  86% /storage
20:31.12knowwhowhat about this ^^^
20:31.19knowwho?
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20:31.52wolsknowwho: in your partition table it's listed as FAT32 type partitioin but you mount it as ext3 which it is
20:32.13wolsthat MBR listing is just a number which linux doesn't really care about
20:32.15knowwhowols: im saying though, is it FAT32 or ext3 ?
20:32.32wolswhatever mount says is trou. and mount says it's ext3
20:32.41knowwhoic
20:32.57knowwhobut how come it says W95 FAT32 ?
20:33.01wolsit also has the boot flag set, I doubt you boot from /storage :)
20:33.19knowwhowols: not really, it's just my back up drive
20:33.21wolscause you didn't change the partition in any way when you formatted it ext3
20:33.35knowwho^^ i don't get it
20:33.46wolsdo you know what a partition table is?
20:33.50knowwhoyes
20:34.01wolsyour partition table has an entry which marks it as fat32
20:34.11knowwhobut i can change that right
20:34.13wolsbut you format it as ext3 and that's what linux uses for it
20:34.26wolsyes you can, but you didn't when you removed it from that old win95 PC
20:34.49knowwhoso no biggy?
20:35.07wolsnone at all. if you put this disk ever in a Windows PC it will cause minor trouble
20:35.17wolswindows wants to mount it but can't since it is no fat
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20:35.35knowwhoi was worried about the partition, i wanted know if its ext3 or fat32
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20:35.43wolsfat32 has no permissions
20:36.43knowwhoic
20:36.44knowwhoi get it
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20:37.16knowwhowhere can i find info about filesystems?
20:37.26knowwhoand what is the 'best' one to use for nix
20:37.27wolswikipedia for a start. has nice overviews
20:37.31wols!best
20:37.32dpkgBest for what? Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
20:37.49wols!start a filesystem war
20:37.50dpkgWho needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency!
20:38.01kronozext3 mounts fast but is slow to create; reiserfs is quick to create but mounts slow
20:38.02Maulkinknowwho: search debian administration
20:38.13Maulkin!reicerfs
20:38.15knowwhothat's why i quoted the word best
20:38.19Maulkin!ricerfs
20:38.19dpkgfrom memory, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info.
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20:38.31kronoz!reiserfs
20:38.31dpkgfrom memory, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features.  See http://www.namesys.com.  It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash.  As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser.  See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems.
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20:38.54kronoz!xfs
20:38.55dpkghmm... xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support.  see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/  for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out  http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/
20:38.58wolsthese two "factoids" are really trollish
20:39.03knowwhoword
20:39.08Specxfs isn't a "safer" filesystem....
20:39.10Maulkinbut fairly accurate :)
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20:39.15Specif your power goes out in xfs you lose lots of data
20:39.20wolsMaulkin: no
20:39.21Specor, you can
20:39.31MaulkinBasically, if you don't have a ups, run ext3
20:39.32knowwhoi've been using ext3, and that's all i use
20:39.35kronoz!ext3
20:39.36dpkgfrom memory, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs".
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20:39.57knowwho!NTFS
20:39.58dpkgntfs is probably Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root.  See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs
20:40.31wolsknowwho: in the end it doesn't really matter which FS you use as long as you stay away from the old ones (ext,ext2,minix,..) and some obviously bad choices like fat
20:41.06kronoz!hfs
20:41.07dpkghfs is probably the Apple Hierarchial File System, the default filesystem on the Mac OS.  HFS+, which appeared in MacOS 8.1 and later, supports smaller block sizes, and UNIX-like features such as symlinks and device stubs.  Tools for dealing with either filesystem are in the "hfsutils" and "hfsplus" Debian packages.  It's also said to be the Horrible File System, or HOLY FUCKEN SHIT
20:41.26wolskronoz: can you spam poor dpkg in a query?
20:41.44kronozsorry :p
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20:44.55linux2does anyone here know how to fix a common error with X. i am running kde and i manually install this after installing etch with the options (default system) and thats it. I do not install desktop system. well anyways. i have xorg running on here with kde and kdm as the display manager. well for some reason the screen always goes blank after about 10 minutes or so. does anyone here know how to stop this from happening. i have tried multi
20:44.55linux2ple xset and setterm commands but nothing so far. and i also edited xorg.conf and removed option "DPMS" from the monitor section, but no go their either. i would like to get this resolved. it happens on any of my debian etch systems no matter what and somehow no one seems to know about it. any ideas?
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20:46.34JordiGHHm, is there no Emacs mode for writing TeXinfo files?
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20:47.59JordiGHThat can't possibly be true.
20:48.05dondelelcaroJordiGH: yes, there are several, actually... you'll probably like auctex.
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20:48.55JordiGHdondelelcaro: I want to translate some French TeXinfo documentation for Maxima into English. Any recommendations on how to do this?
20:49.27dondelelcarooh wait, texi documentation... sorry, didn't catch that.
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20:49.56JordiGHYeah, I was thrown off for a bit. I thought auctex was for (La)TeX. :-)
20:50.00dondelelcaro(but anyway, that's just texinfo-mode)
20:50.19JordiGHThat's for reading texinfo, isn't it? Not for writing?
20:50.44linux2anyone?
20:51.25dondelelcaroJordiGH: no, it's for writing
20:51.35dondelelcarohttp://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/html_node/Texinfo-Mode.html FE
20:52.24JordiGHAlrighty. So I already have it installed. Now, how can I know which file contains the documentation I'm looking at when I type "info" from bash?
20:53.14dondelelcaroJordiGH: you want to work with the source for the info documentation, not the info itself.
20:53.45JordiGHYes, of course. I need to mess around with the source. But first, I need to find it. :P
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20:55.28JordiGHOy. How can I ask grep to grep through gzipped filed?
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20:55.48dondelelcaroJordiGH: zgrep
20:56.04dondelelcaroJordiGH: get the upstream package; it'll have the source.
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20:58.40SeanTatersu
20:58.43SeanTateroops
20:58.50SeanTaterwrong dialog
20:59.15kill4killinok, i got my x server running by upgrading my kernel to 2.6.8 now i need to change my x server from Gnome, how do i do that?
20:59.46SeanTaterkill4killin: do you want to restart x?
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20:59.50JordiGHkill4killin: From Gnome? You mean, you want to use... what?
21:00.01kill4killini wish to change it to kde
21:00.13kill4killini dont care for gnome
21:00.14SeanTaterkill4killin: is kde installed?
21:00.21kill4killinim not sure, how can i check?
21:00.25kill4killini believe it is though
21:00.27SeanTaterkill4killin: apt-get install kde
21:00.32JordiGHkill4killin: Just pick KDEfrom gdm/kdm in the Session menu.
21:00.48JordiGHJordiGH: If you also want to use kdm, dpkg-reconfigure kdm and pick kdm instead of gdm.
21:01.07JordiGHEr, I'm not really talking to myself.
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21:01.19kill4killinok...um...
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21:01.34kill4killinwhat is the session menu so i know where to select kdm
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21:01.48Stormyhow can i get a program to start and use it's own virtual terminal?
21:01.52kill4killinand apt-get install kde did not work
21:02.17JordiGHkill4killin: From the login screen there should be some menus, one should say "session". It depends if you gdm or kdm (or even, xdm!)
21:02.18unix_infidelStormy: what do you mean use its own vt?
21:02.31SeanTaterStormy: Ctrl-Alt-F8, then start from there -- is that want you want?
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21:02.38JordiGHunix_infidel: I guess they meant they want it to have its own ctrl+alt+f*
21:02.38Stormyyea
21:02.40Stormybasically
21:02.46Stormyinstead of adding shells
21:02.50Stormyi wanna add two programs
21:02.52SeanTaterStormy: Ctrl-Alt-F7 will bring you back to reality
21:02.58Stormyhaha sean
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21:03.11unix_infidelStormy: you'd have to have no password login to the vt.
21:03.18Stormythat's fine
21:03.24unix_infidelno, that's really not.
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21:03.32Stormyif the room is secure
21:03.32unix_infidelits better to start Xterm on a virtual desktop
21:03.37Stormyand this is a monitor terminal that is fine
21:03.57Stormydont hate
21:04.01Stormysuch a wasted effort
21:04.22SeanTater*on both accounts
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21:05.18jellyStormy: edit /etc/inittab if you want to run something on a dedicated vt by default
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21:05.52Stormyyea
21:05.54Stormyi just found it
21:05.57Stormythanks jelly
21:05.58jellyStormy: like this: 12:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -n -l /usr/local/sbin/gnj tty12
21:06.00Stormyyea
21:06.06Stormyu know
21:06.09jellyruns my script on tty12
21:06.11Stormyi used to use gelly for a bot of mine
21:06.25Stormywhat's -n?
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21:06.33PDanihi
21:06.50killownhi
21:06.51JordiGHdpkg, tell PDani hi.
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21:07.04jellyStormy: can't really remember, set that up a long time ago.  I'm not even sure why it runs from getty instead of directly.
21:07.08JordiGHAww... dpkg won't greet. :-(
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21:07.21Stormyjelly because getty sets up the terminal handles you need
21:07.50JordiGHIs it a Debian standard that tty7 is for X?
21:08.08JordiGHCould I put it elsewhere if I so chose?
21:08.25PDaniis there a good howto about setting up two network profiles (a wifi, and a wired), and choose between them automatically based on the situation (wired profile first, if it isn't possible, try the wifi)
21:08.26PDani?
21:08.27jellyJordiGH: it's just that the first 6 are usually login prompts, and X grabs the first available vt.
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21:09.00Stormyhow do you restart init?
21:09.04jellyinit q
21:09.05JordiGHjelly: Right, but if I'm understanding /etc/inittab, I could have fewer login prompts and put X on a lower tty, right?
21:09.05Stormyk
21:09.33Stormyschweet
21:09.33Stormythx
21:09.33jellyJordiGH: correct
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21:10.04jellyJordiGH: if you eg. commented out getty on vt2, X would probably appear there.
21:10.18JordiGHHeh.
21:10.50JordiGHBy the way, what do y'all people think of this? We have our own OS-tan now: http://www.deviantart.com/view/24898141/
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21:11.12PDaniany idea?
21:11.13JordiGHUh, where an OS-tan is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os_tan
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21:13.55jellyJordiGH: you can also add an option to xserver to pick a particular vt ... with wdm, I can change that in /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers, gdm or kdm probably have something similar
21:14.08JordiGHObserve the spear of security. The business-like tie of formality. The sleek legs of sexiness. Definitely Debian. :D
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21:15.26JordiGHjelly: I can't think of any reason to assign a different vt to X, but it's good to know that I could do it. :-)
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21:16.56jellyJordiGH: might be useful if you have more than one X running.
21:17.18jetscreamer8,9...
21:17.25jade!seen bob2
21:17.26dpkgbob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 239d 14h 12m 7s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'.
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21:18.26JordiGHjelly: I usually just let them take up 8 or 9 as necessary. Using KDE's or GNOME's method for locking the current display and opening a new session is quite transparent. I'm preaching to my (l)users the benefits of having usernames and passwords on a shared machine. :-)
21:18.52jellyJordiGH: ooh, Linux has "fast switching" now? :-)
21:19.03JordiGH"Hey, would you mind letting me on briefly just to check my email?" "Uh, sure, just let me open a new session for you..."
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21:20.03JordiGHjelly: Heh. And we had filesystem permissions first too. :P
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21:22.01strkin which package do I find "gnome2 perl module" ? (for GPRSEasyConnect)
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21:22.33lunitikstrk: apt-cache search gnome2 perl  :/
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21:23.55strklunitik: oops, sorry wat easy :)
21:24.06JordiGHlunitik: Hey, sometimes it's not obvious those tools are available. :-)
21:24.07lunitik!wat
21:24.08dpkgWHAT. There's an h in there. If you say wat, people laugh. See also wot. a Bhuddist temple
21:24.09azeemlunitik: people actually need to find out about the tools
21:24.22JordiGHhahaha...
21:24.28JordiGH!teh
21:24.29dpkgBroken keyboard or hand
21:24.57JordiGHdpkg is going to kick's Google ass one of these days.
21:24.58lunitikazeem: true enough I suppose
21:25.30lunitikazeem: there are plenty of docs though...
21:25.47jbalcombwhere are .deb packages on my system?
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21:26.00JordiGHlunitik: Hey, theoretically, everything's in a doc and there's no need for #debian. :-)
21:26.22JordiGHjbalcomb: They're in /var/cache/apt if you have it setup to keep the .deb packages after it downloads them.
21:26.23lunitikjbalcomb: /var/cache/apt/archive  unless you've ran apt-get clean recently
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21:26.37lunitikJordiGH: #debian is for clarification imo
21:26.41azeemlunitik: yes, and we're here to point people at them
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21:26.56kill4killinok, im back and kde is running and i have kdm now installed
21:26.59lunitikJordiGH: not everyone can be expected to understand all docs... but they surely shouldn't come here clueless
21:27.04JordiGHkill4killin: w00t.
21:27.09kill4killin:P
21:27.38kill4killinok, so now i need to work on this wireless
21:27.38JordiGHkill4killin: Wanna play a netgame of Ktron or something?
21:27.48JordiGHeep! wireless!
21:27.54kill4killini know right
21:28.04kill4killinits only so i dont have to live here in the basement next to the wire hub
21:28.17lunitikkill4killin: what kinda card? (lspci output about it preferably)
21:28.17kill4killinits cold down here
21:28.23kill4killinone sec
21:28.29jbalcombJordiGH lunitik: thanks
21:29.32wiredddwhat package has lspci in it?
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21:29.53lunitik!info lspci
21:29.55jetscreamerapt-file could tell you
21:29.58lunitikuhh
21:30.02lunitik!find lspci
21:30.10lunitikI think pci-utils though
21:30.18dpkgDebian Search of 'lspci' (2): (/bin/lspci, /usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils ;; (/usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/netwinder/info/lspci, /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/mipsel/cobalt/info/lspci) in devel/debian-installer.
21:30.31wiredddok thanks
21:30.35jetscreamer!congratulate lunitik
21:30.36dpkgHuzzah lunitik, you did it!
21:30.38kill4killinNetwork controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface
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21:30.49JordiGH!prize lunitik
21:31.01lunitikjetscreamer: I was wrong actually... pciutils rather than pci-utils  :(
21:31.10JordiGH!smite lunitik
21:31.28JordiGHEek! I don't drink either!
21:31.32kill4killinJordiGH, Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface
21:31.43lunitikJordiGH: I didn't say "gives it to JordiGH"... ;)
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21:31.52kill4killini know i got the wrong person
21:32.01kill4killin:P
21:32.20dieselHas anyone here configured their wireless card to work with Cisco's LEAP?
21:32.25JordiGHkill4killin: Yeah. I've only ever tried (and failed) once to get a wireless thingie working. I know nothing about networking. :-(
21:32.47PDanihm... every howto refer to /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant initscript, but it doesn't exist on testing...
21:32.54kill4killinok, so lunitik...any ideas?
21:33.02kill4killinim pretty sure its a prismGT core
21:33.05kill4killini could be wrong though
21:33.13lunitikkill4killin: you need acx100 ... try modprobe'ing that...
21:33.14axolxhey guys - does the IP range 192.168.0.1/24 include 192.168.2.1?
21:33.21kill4killinok one sec
21:33.32dvsaxolx: no
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21:33.34raf256axolx: I thnik that no.
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21:33.45lunitikkill4killin: http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t2008.html  <-- see what 'znx' says at the end there.
21:33.47raf256axolx: 192.168.0.0 to .255
21:33.51axolxwhat should i put after the slash to include it?
21:33.53PDaniwhat replaces it?
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21:34.03kill4killinnot found
21:34.04znxlunitik: O_O
21:34.07znxme!
21:34.09znx:o
21:34.10dvsaxolx: 192.168.0.1/22
21:34.18lunitikznx: you on linux-noob?
21:34.19sanmarcosdvs, what is that range called? cidr?
21:34.25axolxdvs, raf256 : thanks
21:34.39dvssanmarcos: Well, it's not an official range.
21:34.42znxlunitik: indeed
21:34.54sanmarcosdvs, how can I learn about it?
21:34.55lunitikznx: maybe you can directly help kill4killin then  :D
21:35.01znxmaybe :]
21:35.02axolxdvs: so the smaller the number after the slash, the more IPs it spans?
21:35.10dvssanmarcos: I don't know of a link that would talk about it.
21:35.16dvsaxolx: yes
21:35.22sanmarcosdvs, can you explain it to me then? how did you learn it?
21:35.26axolxdvs: cool. thanks
21:35.34dvsaxolx: you're welcome.
21:35.46znxkill4killin: you there?
21:35.55kill4killinznx: yes
21:35.55dvssanmarcos: Just by reading books.  Linux networking books.
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21:36.15sanmarcosdvs, how does it work?
21:36.19znxkill4killin: you read what i said on the site ..
21:36.23dvssanmarcos: magic?
21:36.33kill4killinznx, now what did you say?
21:36.36znxtry using the acx100.sf.net ..
21:36.48lunitikkill4killin: see the link I said... he's the person I pointed you to  :D
21:37.03kill4killinok
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21:37.27JordiGHlunitik: Small free software world. :-/
21:37.28sanmarcosdvs, can you explain wtf the /24 notation means?
21:37.28znxlunitik: hey .. you and me both :D
21:37.37znxsanmarcos: cidr notation..
21:37.41znxer .. i have a good link ..
21:37.43znxtwo seconds
21:37.50sanmarcosznx, thank you
21:37.58znxhttp://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/cidr.ch?ip=192.168.1.1
21:38.00znxthere
21:38.06dvssanmarcos: It takes the network address and does an AND with the first 24 bits of the address to get the network address
21:38.08lunitikJordiGH: not really... they say 10 million users of Linux alone  :/
21:38.10kill4killinwill the driver work with 2.6.8?
21:38.16sanmarcosthanks you are more helpful than somebody else znx
21:38.28kill4killinif im reading this right it says only 2.6.10 is
21:38.29znxsanmarcos: ;)
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21:38.57znxkill4killin: you could try the cvs ?
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21:39.09znxif you are capable of compiling .. and installing manually?
21:39.13kantlivelonganyone here use HostAP?
21:39.18kill4killinbleh :P
21:39.22kantlivelonganyone here use HostAP?
21:39.29kantlivelongwhoops sorry bout that dupe
21:39.31kill4killinis there no way i can do an apt-get for this
21:39.34kill4killini like apt-get
21:39.36jastarafiunsure
21:39.52sanmarcosznx, i dont know who would create such unintuitive standard
21:39.59sanmarcoskantlivelong, try the wireless channel
21:40.16JordiGHlunitik: And five billion users of other operating systems. :P
21:40.16kantlivelongsanmarcos: wat is it?
21:40.17znxsanmarcos: its the number of bits .. so it makes sense .. if you understand bits :)
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21:40.41lunitikJordiGH: no... they say only 2 billion people use computers in todays world...
21:40.52lunitikJordiGH: actually, less than that even I think...
21:40.56sanmarcosznx, seems lame to have to convert back and forth from such a rudimentary unit
21:41.07JordiGHlunitik: Still, we're outnumbered at the very least 10 to 1.
21:41.34znxsanmarcos: maybe .. but it does ease notation
21:41.45lunitikJordiGH: thats a good thing imo... less virii targeted at us  :P
21:41.55JordiGHvirii isn't Latin.
21:41.56kill4killinznx, i read that page on installing and what not, and im really confused
21:42.02JordiGH(sorry for the grammar picking)
21:42.26lunitikJordiGH: I didn't say it was? its plural form of 'virus'  :/
21:42.31JordiGHlunitik: It's also difficult for us to interface with the Other side.
21:42.40lunitikJordiGH: not at all
21:42.49JordiGHlunitik: No, it's a "virii" is a confusion on trying to apply Latin plurals to a word that doesn't admit Latin plurals.
21:43.03znxkill4killin: http://acx100.erley.org/  these are apparently good for the 2.6.xx kernels ..
21:43.31lunitikJordiGH: feel free to say 'viruses' or something...
21:43.51JordiGHlunitik: It isn't hard to interface? Right now I'm having a heckuva time trying to play flash movies.
21:43.53evilgeekvirus ('vaI&schwa.r&schwa.s). [a. L. virus slimy liquid, poison, offensive
21:43.54evilgeekodour or taste.  Hence also Fr., Sp., Pg. virus.]
21:44.07evilgeekit appears, at least, in late latin.
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21:44.30lunitikJordiGH: that's because you're insisting on something that is proprietary... thats not interfacing with them  :/
21:44.33JordiGHhttp://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html
21:44.47lunitikJordiGH: Gnash should rectify that situation anyways  :/
21:45.00evilgeekmeaning 2b in OED, however, is "b Pl. viruses.  An infectious organism that is usu. submicroscopic, ..."
21:45.12lunitik(although, still only flash 7.x ... get to bitch at Adobe for that...)
21:45.14JordiGHlunitik: Yeah. Can't wait fro Gnash to seep down to unstable. :-/
21:45.23lunitikJordiGH: its in Unstable
21:45.29JordiGHReally? Since when?
21:45.35JordiGHI thought it was still in Experimental.
21:45.54lunitikJordiGH: ahh... I thought it was... guess not, I stand corrected...
21:46.12lunitikalthough 'apt-cache show gnash' doesn't report its not there... which is strange...
21:46.27JordiGHBecause it's in experimental...
21:46.40lunitikI guess it doesn't report that anymore... weird... used to complain, now it just does nothing
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21:47.18lunitikPackage: gnash
21:47.18lunitikState: not a real package
21:47.21lunitikhmmm
21:47.38lunitikAt least aptitude gives you feedback though
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21:48.35JordiGHlunitik: It's difficult. A friend comes by, all excited about the flash intro he just made for his website (using software with violated license agreements, usually without even knowing this), sees that you can't load up your website from Debian, and concludes that Debian is an inferior product. :-/
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21:49.03jeldhello all
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21:49.23jeldanyone knows anything about md5sum errors when trying to apt-get update?
21:49.27lunitikJordiGH: thing is, I don't care about that... I'm not the type to try and get everyone to use the software I find superior, I could really care less what they use.
21:49.40lunitik!tell jeld about fudo
21:50.20lunitikjeld: mirrors.kernel.org amongst others is broken currently...
21:50.25znxkill4killin: ..
21:50.27RedWorklunitik, dpkg didn't tell me anything useful
21:50.30JordiGHlunitik: Yeah, I don't really want to see flash movies that badly either. Debian is great for getting work done. But it's still a little embarrassing. Then I have to explain about free standards and that sort of thing. I come out looking like a freak. :-/
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21:50.38jeldlunitik, thanx
21:50.42znxkill4killin: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX  this actually shows a debian install
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21:50.54laurens__hi
21:50.54znx"You need a Linux kernel of the 2.6 series (at least 2.6.10) for this driver!"
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21:51.07kill4killinim running through that right now
21:51.23kill4killinthank you, ill let you know how it goes, im building it right now as we speak
21:51.25lunitik!tell kill4killin about sarge 2.6.16
21:51.33laurens__question about apache2. I've installed a tool called smokeping which pings hosts and makes pretty rrdtool graphs
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21:51.38amphiJordiGH: embarrassing not to have flash installaed? wtf? ;)
21:51.39lunitikkill4killin: see if that rectifies things  :D
21:51.39kill4killinwhat about it
21:51.52lunitikkill4killin: more recent kernel... should work
21:51.59RedWorklunitik, is there a list of mirrors that are not broken?
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21:52.09RedWorkor is it all a matter of trial and error?
21:52.14kill4killinim running 2.6.8 do you think that wont work?
21:52.16JordiGHamphi: It's embarrassing to have to explain to someone who has no clue about free software, oh never mind, smiley, yes. ;-)
21:52.19lunitikRedWork: pretty much anything but mirrors.kernel.org afaik
21:52.29RedWorkwow, okay, thanks.
21:52.43laurens__How do i make cgi-bin appear? smokeping needs it, but my web server says it cant find it
21:52.44dvsRedWork: Pick one close to you
21:52.49laurens__I don't see it in /var/www
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21:53.07amphiJordiGH: I wouldn't find it so - I could install flash, I just don't want to; it doesn't do mych for w3m anyway ;)
21:53.13dieselWhat is the debian equivalent to insmod?
21:53.16lunitik!tell laurens__ about info cgi-bins
21:53.22lunitik!tell laurens__ about info cgi-bin
21:53.26amphidiesel: use modprobe
21:53.31laurens__523:53 <dpkg> Package 'cgi-bins' does not exist.
21:53.31laurens__23:53 <dpkg> Package 'cgi-bin' does not exist.
21:53.31RedWorklunitik, thanks
21:53.41laurens__!tell me something useful
21:53.47lunitik!find cgi-bin
21:53.47dvsdiesel: modprobe
21:53.49JordiGHamphi: I... have a confession to make. I was weak, and... I installed the non-free player... and it still didn't work.
21:53.51RedWorkI manage our debian mirror here at work, I'd been mirroring from kernel.org
21:53.52lunitikblah
21:53.58amphiJordiGH: ah...
21:53.59kill4killinhey in a line uname -r is replaced by my kernel version correct?
21:54.00dpkgDebian Search of 'cgi-bin' (3): (/var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin) in mail/mailman ;; (/usr/share/doc/mon/README.cgi-bin) in admin/mon ;; (/usr/share/doc/php-doc/html/{security.cgi-bin.default.html|security.cgi-bin.doc-root.html|security.cgi-bin.force-redirect.html|...}) in non-free/doc/php-doc.
21:54.10dvsRedWork: Why not from a debian.org server?
21:54.12amphiJordiGH: go and sin no more ;)
21:54.13kill4killinor can i just write in 'uname -r'
21:54.29amphikill4killin: with backticks
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21:54.32lunitikkill4killin: `uname -r`  ... not 'uname -r'
21:54.32laurens__kill4killin: you need backticks
21:54.35laurens__kill4killin:  ``
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21:54.45kill4killinok
21:54.45twk`edre
21:54.50buckylaurens__: my cgi-bin is in /usr/lib/cgi-bin
21:54.58lunitikkill4killin: or $(uname -r) ... but that adds another charactor
21:55.04laurens__bucky: so is mine, but I cant see it from the webserver end
21:55.14laurens__bucky: my.web.server/cgi-bin gives 404
21:55.18lunitikcharacter*
21:55.30laurens__Not Found
21:55.31laurens__The requested URL /cgi-bin was not found on this server.
21:55.41RedWorkdvs, I didn't want to contribute to overloading it
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21:56.01dvsRedWork: But there's more than one of them
21:56.24RedWorkdvs, *shrug*, let me reconfigure my mirroring script
21:56.39RedWorkI'm using anonftpsync
21:56.54chjuniorsomebody can help-me with my sound
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21:56.56chjunior?
21:57.04dvschjunior: sorry, can't hear you. ;-)
21:57.23chjuniordvs what?
21:57.29chjuniormy /dev/dsp simple doesn't exists!
21:57.44dvschjunior: do you have your sound modules loaded?
21:57.45kill4killinok why when i put in make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` did i get an error?
21:57.50RedWorkchjunior, what version kernel/deb distro are you running?
21:58.01chjunior2.6.16-2-486
21:58.14buckychjunior: did you run alsaconf ?
21:58.18chjuniorwell, lsmod says that the modules were loadeds
21:58.18amphikill4killin: had to say while you keep the error message a secret
21:58.24chjuniorbucky yes, sure
21:58.28jbalcombwhat package has libmysql.so in it?
21:58.29dvschjunior: is snd_pcm_oss loaded?
21:58.40kill4killinit just said that it couldnt find the directory
21:58.53lunitik!tell jbalcomb about find libmysql.so
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21:59.13RedWorkjbalcomb, man dpkg
21:59.16chjuniordvs, RedWork, bucky, snd_mixer_oss      15872  1 snd_pcm_oss
21:59.23RedWorkif it's installed
21:59.30dvschjunior: snd_PCM_oss
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21:59.43dvsoh sorry
21:59.53chjuniordvs, snd_pcm_oss            43936  0
22:00.02buckychjunior: run alsamixer and turn the volume up
22:00.06disposablecan somebody tell me why firestarter(iptables gui), gkrellm and gftp are all showing me different speeds of my download at the same time? please have a look at http://logrus.co.uk/pic.jpg  Which one should i trust?
22:00.07kill4killinamphi, it said "no such file or directory:
22:00.22dvschjunior: do you have a /dev/.static directory?
22:00.40chjuniorbucky,alsamixer says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
22:00.41jbalcomblunitik RedWork: well, the trouble is that i dont have one and dbmail wants one
22:00.46chjuniordvs, yes
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22:01.10jerwarehi gang
22:01.20Codemaster_hi all, a little question again, i have two apache2 servers here one has a vhost that proxies to another server, everything works fine but for stats purposes i need the original ip in my logs server and not the proxy ip... anyone knows a workaround
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22:01.35JordiGH!greet jerware
22:01.38dpkgHowdy, jerware
22:01.51jbalcombRedWork: i see that you can search installed apackages, is there a way to search for files in uninstalled packages?
22:02.05RedWorkjbalcomb, ahh, that's the rub
22:02.07twk`edkill4killin: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
22:02.20chjuniordvs, ?
22:02.22holdenSKjbalcomb: apt-file
22:02.26RedWorkjbalcomb, that's when I start searching apt-cache
22:02.32amphikill4killin: WRT what?
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22:02.39jerwareim attempting to run a script from the UT 2003 cd, and i get the error of -su: ./linux_installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied but i can successfully run other bash scripts.  (yes am root)    http://rafb.net/paste/results/BIkZRA22.html
22:02.48dvschjunior: you could remove udev because it isn't creating a /dev/dsp entry
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22:03.18JordiGHjerware: Did you mount the cd with exec permissions?
22:03.26chjuniordvs, remove udev?
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22:03.51JordiGHAnd what's UT?
22:04.04bricki haven't had a printer or scanner in years and just got a combo HP unit. none of my applications seem to know how to print or acquire TWAIN. any pointers as to what i might need to install or configure?
22:04.06dvschjunior: since you have a /dev/.static directory, it means that udev is controlling the /dev directory.  So, if you remove udev, it won't have control over that directory anymore
22:04.07Masqywhere is the /etc/rc2.d/S40networking file in ubuntu?
22:04.08lontra!moo
22:04.10lunitikJordiGH: Unreal Tournement
22:04.13jerwareJordiGH:  Unreal Tournament.  if i can view the directory contents,  the cd has to be mounted, right?
22:04.20Masqysoory, in debian :)
22:04.21dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
22:04.36lunitikMasqy: #ubuntu
22:04.40Masqyis it still being used? I was reading the debian network guide
22:04.50Masqylunitik: I meant debian
22:04.58jerwareshould the mounted dir (/media/cdrom) have the execute permissions ?
22:05.00JordiGHjerware: Yes, but it has to be more than just mounted. It has to be mounted with exec permissions. Is there a line for your cd in /etc/fstab or did you mount it manually?
22:05.00jerwarei guess so.
22:05.01lunitikMasqy: dpkg -l libc6
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22:05.23mikepencehey all
22:05.34chjuniorok, but who will control my devices?
22:05.40jerwarethere is a line in fstab for my cdrom.  is chmod ugoa+x the same as exec permissions ?
22:05.48Masqylunitik: ??
22:05.49mikepencehope this is the right room -- I need to do a chmod to all the files in the current directory and all sub-directories so that anyone can read and write the files
22:05.50dvschjunior: nothing.  They will just be normal directory entries.
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22:05.53jerwareu+x  rather.
22:06.05lunitikMasqy: just seeing if you're running Debian, what is the output of that command
22:06.05mikepencewhat would the syntax be for that?
22:06.10jerwareis that what you mean by exec ?
22:06.13chjuniordvs, but who will create the /dev/dsp if it doesn't exists?
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22:06.21JordiGHNo, the entire filesystem needs exec permissions (this is useful, f'rinstance, if you want to mount /home from a separate filesystem and you want to disallow users from running their own ~/bin directory)
22:06.29dvschjunior: does /dev/.static/dev/dsp exist?
22:06.40chjuniordvs, yes
22:06.49JordiGHjerware: Check if there is a noexec option in your /etc/fstab for the cd.
22:06.53dvschjunior: then it will be there once you remove udev
22:07.32jerwarethe section on mounting in my linux book should cover this issue, right?
22:07.36chjuniordvs, ok, but look this: http://paste-bin.com/56
22:07.38Masqylunitik: this is a theoretical debian question regarding bootup sequence, at which part of the boot-up sequence the command 'ifup -a' is called and /etc/network/interfaces is ran?
22:07.49lunitikMasqy: due to your delayed reply... I'll say again, /j #ubuntu
22:07.54JordiGHjerware: I may inadevertently be using non-standard terminology.
22:08.10lunitikMasqy: you're running Ubuntu, ask them
22:08.13brickis CUPS a necessary part of modern printing?
22:08.20mikepencechmod a-rw *
22:08.21mikepence?
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22:08.29lunitikMasqy: they obviously have a superior community, get your answer from them
22:08.32dvschjunior: oh that sucks.  That kernel depends on udev
22:08.44chjuniordvs, yeah :'(
22:09.06Masqylunitik: I'm not interested in how it is in ubuntu, what I run is my personal business.. Don't get upset.. : )
22:09.10lunitikbrick: necessary, no...
22:09.17jerwareJordiGH:  you said this was an fstab parameter.  i'll check the fstab section of my book. thanx pal.
22:09.26lunitikMasqy: #debian doesn't support Ubuntu users
22:09.41lunitikMasqy: #debian supports people that use real Debian
22:09.44Masqylunitik: I'm not asking for support : )
22:09.51lunitikMasqy: yes you are
22:09.53bricklunitik, i'm trying to figure out what to install so that i can print....
22:10.03lunitikbrick: you want CUPS...
22:10.03JordiGHjerware: It should be an easy fix. It's possible that /etc/fstab has a line that says "noexec" under the cdrom. If so, just remove the word "noexec".
22:10.13lunitikbrick: by far the easiest route for printing
22:10.15jerwareoh ok.
22:10.33chjuniordvs, some idea?
22:10.43dvschjunior: nope.  That's all I have.
22:10.48bricklunitik, thanks.
22:10.48Masqylunitik: take it easy...
22:10.57lunitikMasqy: you're asking us to help with something to do with your Ubuntu system... this isn't the place
22:11.04lunitikMasqy: /part
22:11.06dvschjunior: once snd_pcm_oss is loaded, it's suppose to create a /dev/dsp entry
22:11.27chjuniordvs, say it to udev :D
22:12.00lunitik!debian based
22:12.02dpkgYou're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages.  You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>
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22:12.05Masqylunitik: no, I'm not, I was interested in when, in the *Debian* system, the /etc/network/interfaces file is being processed for the first time... , and besides, for your info, I run woody
22:12.28lunitikMasqy: woody isn't supported anymore either...
22:12.37Masqylol
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22:13.00lunitikMasqy: /etc/init.d/networking accesses /etc/network/interfaces
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22:13.07Masqylunitik:  you're ok man, I like the jeleaousy for debian though : )
22:13.18JordiGH!start a distro war
22:13.19dpkgProgeny rocks!
22:13.25Masqy10x man...
22:13.37lunitikProgeny pays Ian Murdock, they're not bad  :D
22:13.40chjuniorsomebody here has some idea about why my udev is not creating my /dev/dsp
22:14.07Masqyand I just don't have the time to set up sarge on that P133 machine, and woody does the job
22:14.35lunitikMasqy: you got your answer...
22:14.39Darklockjerware: or you can just copy the installer to your hdd and start it from there, also read http://icculus.org/lgfaq/#ut2k3_install
22:14.55chjuniorsomebody here has some idea about why my udev is not creating my /dev/dsp
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22:15.07Masqylunitik: yes, thanks. really...
22:15.22JordiGHMasqy: If your worry is that Sarge is more resource-hungry than Woody, then your concerns are unfounded. You can still do minimal Sarge installs.
22:15.50jerwarepeace gang
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22:15.57DoppelGangerls
22:16.08lunitikDoppelGanger: wrong terminal  :P
22:16.17JordiGHI guess that means jerware fixed the problem.
22:16.19DoppelGanger:-)
22:16.25MasqyJordiGH: I assume, but it will take me way too much time to configure it to the state my good-old woody is in.. It was restarted during the last two years only when there were power shortages : )
22:16.31chjuniorsomebody here has some idea about why my udev is not creating my /dev/dsp
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22:16.40lunitik!prize JordiGH
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22:16.55RedWorkchjunior, you keep saying that
22:16.59lunitik!tell chjunior about repeat
22:17.09JordiGHMasqy: Yeah, there also is the "if it's not broke don't fix it" philosophy. But someday, you should update. Bear in mind that woody has lots of problems that were fixed in sarge?
22:17.13Masqyinshort, if it works, I won't fix it..
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22:17.21chjuniorRedWork ?
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22:17.48Masqyexactly.. JordiGH: when I installed that system I swore that was the last thing I install on that P133... it routes and servers http well as it is..
22:17.51JordiGHchjunior: If we aren't responding it's not because we didn't see your query, but more than likely because we don't know how to answer it.
22:17.51lunitikMasqy: imo, should change 'woody' to 'stable' in sources.list ...
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22:18.39JordiGHIs a p133 that bad? My desktop computer is PII 233 Mhz, and runs KDE comfortably. But I did add as much RAM as I could.
22:19.17JordiGHHeck, I've downclocked my machine to 133 Mhz from BIOS, and most things still run at the same speed. The biggest slow downs are in hd accesses, not in number-crunching.
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22:19.48pstickneanyone know of a tool to find out alternate superblocks?
22:20.12lunitikI guess there are reasons to use old releases, but shouldn't be default to do that...
22:20.16JordiGHAnd there's the old-school romanticism of letting your computer grind out an optimal distribution of 500 points on the sphere.
22:20.19RedWorkchjunior, I missed where you said what kernel version, and debian version you're using. could you post that again?
22:20.24brickpstickne, can't cfdisk/etc. see them?
22:20.36JordiGHAnd come back in the morning and check the results. It's like geek Christmastime. :-)
22:20.42lunitikchjunior: 2.6.16-2-486 ... he never said dist
22:20.53lunitikRedWork: ^^ doh
22:21.03psticknebrick: sees the partition, e2fsck croaks, (cfdisk actually reports an overlap in the partition table although nothing looks amiss in fdisk)
22:21.33brickpstickne, if you have partition problems, i don't know that filesystem tools will help
22:21.34lunitikRedWork: its either sarge+backports or etch though afaik  :D
22:21.34MasqyJordiGH: it runs ok, 64MB of ram, windowmaker and opera, but that's just a back computer... I don't normally use it
22:21.49RedWork2.6 is gonna be udev, so, yeah
22:21.54psticknebrick: I'd like to find alternative superblocks without diverting to the create an identical ext2 filesystem and fishing for superblocks :)
22:22.01lunitikRedWork: yup...
22:22.07brickpstickne, really... good luck
22:22.17RedWorkmy udev-foo is.... poor
22:22.19lunitikRedWork: actually, udev was default from 2.6.15 ...
22:22.19psticknebrick: hehe
22:22.26chjuniorRedWork, lunitik, debian testing/unstable
22:22.34lunitikchjunior: so... etch?
22:22.54RedWorktesting is etch, unstable is sid
22:22.56lunitikchjunior: or you just suck at keeping things updated?
22:23.24RedWorkpick one afaik you can't be running both
22:23.44lunitikRedWork: you can... if you set up chroot etc...  :P
22:23.49JordiGHMasqy: Done on a P233: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/optimisation/500-all.jpg
22:24.12lunitikJordiGH: that site is _slow_
22:24.14RedWorklunitik, heh, alright.   I guess you could do it that way
22:24.21chjuniorlunitik, well.... I didn't understand your question, but, my sources.list is at testing and unstable, and I'm always updating
22:24.25JordiGHlunitik: Yeah, don't bash my school. I know it is. ;-)
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22:24.39lunitikchjunior: paste your sources.list somewhere please
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22:24.52lunitikchjunior: and your /etc/apt/preferences
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22:25.00Masqyanother question: runlevel 'S' is the first one, and only then  it moves to the default?
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22:25.15lunitikchjunior: if you're not pinning, and have both sid and etch defined in sources.list ... you're running sid
22:25.47lunitikMasqy: in those scripts, S signifies its a Start script
22:26.14lunitikMasqy: Start Order Service ... or Kill Order Service
22:26.17MasqyJordiGH: nice spheres,  some kind of simulation ?
22:26.20g3rardo.seen javamaniac
22:26.25g3rardo!seen javamaniac
22:26.29dpkgjavamaniac <javamaniac@201.243.58.206> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 431d 21m 23s ago, saying: 'sorry for mi english'.
22:26.50RedWorkgood luck chjunior
22:26.58RedWorkthanks for the mirroring info guys
22:27.01RedWorkciao
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22:27.18chjuniorlunitik, sorry, i'm running only unstable :D
22:27.24Masqylunitik: I think I knew that, I'm asking what happens when the system loads up, does it first go to single-user mode, and then moves on to the default by inittab ?
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22:27.43Masqy(the default runlevel)
22:27.59lunitikMasqy: /etc/inittab defines default runlevel... and it only draws from that runlevel
22:28.02chjuniorlunitik, ops, I was wanting to say testing :D
22:28.08chjuniorlunitik, I'm using testing
22:28.13JordiGHMasqy: Yep. The top row shows three stages of the iterations. The last stage is where the points have already found a local minimum for the electric potential, i.e. if they were point charges, they're trying to get away from each other as much as possible. The bottom spheres are just the top right sphere triangulated. There's a bug, though.
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22:29.07daryl-I tried to install jedit, but it wouldn't install, now it's half installed and I can't remove it
22:29.08Masqyso the single-user mode are not being called at any stage?
22:29.20daryl-doing anything with apt causes error due to jedit
22:29.31lunitikchjunior: are you sure the kernel supports your sound card? are there any /dev/dsp devices?
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22:29.38chjuniorlunitik, http://paste-bin.com/57
22:29.52kill4killinok, well i did the whole apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` but it didnt find anything
22:30.02daryl-http://pastie.caboo.se/8062
22:30.22chjuniorlunitik, well, the module is up, but if the kernel really supports my sound card, I'm in doubt now
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22:30.53Masqylunitik: so I didn't really get, the S runlevel scripts are or are not being called on a default boot?
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22:31.08lunitikkill4killin: apt-cache search linux-headers ... note in sarge it'd be 'kernel-headers'
22:31.12chjuniorlunitik, there isn't any /etc/apt/preferences
22:31.15kill4killinooooo
22:31.18kill4killingotcha
22:31.30lunitikMasqy: they're being called for the runlevel you're booting into only....
22:31.44kill4killinthat would explain it, im using sarge
22:31.46lunitikMasqy: on Debian, that'd be rc2
22:32.00daryl-any ideas how to fix it?
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22:32.13lunitikdaryl-: Sid?
22:32.14Masqylunitik: ok.. so when does the rcS scripts are being called?
22:32.21Supaplexfix it with a vet appt
22:32.27daryl-lunitik: etch
22:32.29Supaplex!fix
22:33.05gouzmasqy: single-user mode
22:33.21JordiGHOoh, the totem visualisations are pretty!
22:34.04Masqygouz: and they are not being called on a standard boot, then only the /etc/rc2.d/ scripts are being called...
22:34.05lunitikMasqy: ahh, I guess rcS is ran first always... theoretically...
22:34.12JordiGHI was confused for a moment. I thought "wtf, mp3 has video now"?
22:34.26chjuniorlunitik, the problem is exactly this, there isn't a /dev/dsp
22:34.27Masqylunitik: yes, this is what I thought at first place actually..
22:34.40gouzMasqy & lunitik, need to check, but ill say only single-user
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22:35.04lunitikMasqy: afaik, Debian doesn't use rc#.d anymore... obsolete afaik, just there for backwards compatibility I think
22:35.33daryl-removed the postrm file, now it thinks it's gone
22:35.35lunitikgouz: rc1.d is single
22:35.57lunitikdaryl-: that was dumb
22:36.09daryl-lunitik: how so
22:36.15Masqylunitik: so when does it run its startup scrips?? I thought it still uses the System-V mechanism
22:36.34daryl-lunitik: the postrm file was
22:36.39daryl-#!/bin/sh
22:36.39daryl-set -e
22:36.39daryl-if [ -x "`which update-menus 2>/dev/null`" ]; then update-menus ; fi
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22:36.48gouzmasqy & lunitik: my mistake, rcS run except for emergency mode
22:37.05lunitikdaryl-: without a postrm script, dpkg will still complain afaik
22:37.12daryl-lunitik: didn't
22:37.34Masqyok, so I think there is where the networking is being called... ok.. thanks for peeking up..
22:37.44gouzlunitik: rc.d obsolete???
22:37.50lunitikMasqy: not really... Linux systems just keep rc?.d around for compatibility reasons
22:37.55kill4killinok so now i do insmod ./acx.ko and it brings me an error saying that they directory or file doesnt exist
22:37.57kill4killinwhat now
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22:38.23lunitikkill4killin: 'modprobe acx'
22:38.29Masqylunitik: then how do they control all the load up processes ?
22:38.44Masqywhere are they being ran?
22:38.50kill4killinnothing found
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22:39.50beardyRonin: "< Ronin> beardy: because none of them are debian, theyre all seperate distros specifically designed to be a firewall" <-- nicktaberror?
22:39.57lunitik!runlevels
22:39.58dpkgread /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead,
22:40.02chjuniorlunitik, some idea buddy?
22:40.04Masqyand a question of taste: would this be the place to run a daemon, specifically, I thought of calling amuled through such script
22:40.24lunitikExcept I don't think Woody uses sysvinit  :/
22:40.38lunitikchjunior: I asked you find out if the module is supported by your kernel.
22:40.40Masqydpkg: I am reading those files... and the debianHELP wiki
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22:40.50chjuniorlunitik, well, the module is up, but if the kernel really supports my sound card, I'm in doubt now
22:40.55lunitikMasqy: umm, dpkg is a bot
22:41.02jonkriwhy don't i have apt-setup?
22:41.11lunitikjonkri: you haven't installed it?
22:41.20chjuniorlunitik, how can I have certainty?
22:41.20beardyjonkri: You are not running it as root, or you are not running Debian.
22:41.31Masqyoh..
22:41.54lunitikchjunior: search google?
22:42.17chjuniorlunitik, sorry, my head is failing :D
22:42.24lunitikchjunior: can't expect us to memorize every module for every device
22:42.29beardychjunior: Do not use insmod. Use modprobe.
22:42.35jonkribeardy, i am
22:42.41jonkribeardy, i'm not a n00b :)
22:42.59jonkrijon:/home/jon# whereis apt-setup
22:42.59jonkriapt-setup:
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22:43.46lunitik!apt-setup
22:43.46dpkgit has been said that apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid.
22:43.48Flutenis there any way to undo a cat /dev/zero >> /dev/hda?
22:43.55Fluteni only had it running for 5 seconds, then quit it
22:44.15sanmarcosFluten, nope
22:44.20sanmarcosFluten, you are ignorant sir
22:44.30sanmarcosFluten, no disrespect, but why would you do that
22:44.35sanmarcosyou are lucky you did >> and not >
22:44.45jonkrilunitik, ah, ok
22:44.53chjuniorwell lunitik, alsaconf says that my sound board is ALi M5455 PCI AC-Link, and the module is intel8x0
22:44.56lunitikSomeone should fix that factoid though, that link no longer exists
22:45.02beardyjonkri: Try 'which apt-setup' instead. I don't remember which database whereis uses, if it's the asme as locate, in that case, run 'updatedb', consider installing anacron, since if you haven't a locatedb, cronjobs has never been run.
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22:45.08Flutensanmarcos, wanted to disable my brother's winxp box
22:45.15Flutensanmarcos, and now hes really mad at me
22:45.18jonkribeardy, ok
22:45.30sanmarcosFluten, well /dev/hda is the whole disk, you should have disabled a partition
22:45.34lunitikchjunior: 'lsmod | grep snd_intel8x0' returns anything? (just yes or no...)
22:45.35Trek00hello, I'm trying to install debian sarge amd64 on a sun x4100 using the informations found on http://ioctl.org/unix/debian/x4100 but when I do grub-install it can't find stage1. Why? May be a problem with SAS disks? Thank you.
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22:45.56chjuniorlunitik, yes
22:45.56beardyjonkri: Do you always shutdown that machine?
22:45.58sanmarcosFluten, does it boot?
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22:46.14lunitikchjunior: then sound _should_ work... no idea whats wrong
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22:46.25sanmarcosFluten, I would suggest trying to repair the partition table, then scandisk, maybe even try Spinrite. if all fails, you are pretty much hosed
22:46.33jonkrii need european amd64 sources and i can't find it. very frustrating :)
22:46.37lunitikchjunior: should at least have _some_ /dev/dsp? device
22:46.39sanmarcosFluten, that is why UNIX has permissions
22:46.48lunitik(? = wildcard for one character)
22:46.51chjuniorlunitik, yeah, I think that the sound should work too, but doesn't.....
22:46.52jonkrihow do i do? where's the list that apt-setup uses?
22:47.09tcsomebody can help me with Emacs?? i am trying to use emacs to program Java, but when i compile it, emacs tell me "Cannot find JDK's tools jar file (or equivalent)."
22:47.16lunitikchjunior: you have _no_ /dev/dsp devices?
22:47.17chjuniorlunitik, and there isn't a /dev/dsp? device
22:47.18Trek00jonkri: /etc/apt/sources.list
22:47.27jonkriTrek00, i don't have it in my sources. i want to _add_ it
22:47.49chjuniorlunitik, running 'cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV' it creates a /dev/.static/dev/dsp
22:47.57Trek00jonkri: for sarge i use amd64.debian.net for testing the officials mirrors
22:47.59lunitikjonkri: apt-spy or apt-cdrom
22:48.07chjuniorlunitik, but I don't know if it is util for something
22:48.10jonkriTrek00, can i have your line?
22:48.36lunitikchjunior: I have no idea what the issue is...
22:48.49Trek00jonkri: if you have more than one machine to install, try apt-proxy
22:49.02jonkriTrek00, i just need one source that isn't us
22:49.04sanmarcosFluten, anyways, lesson learned. Hurting people never achieves anything
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22:49.35lunitikjonkri: apt-cache show apt-spy
22:49.50evilgeekhm.  in which package is the resize command found?
22:49.55jonkrilunaphyte, i'm not using a offical distribution so that wont work... tried it already
22:50.10lunitikjonkri: what are you using?
22:50.32jonkrilunaphyte, debian amd64 port
22:50.44jonkriif anyone has german sources (or so) for amd64 please give me their line :)
22:50.59lunitikjonkri: ok... should work then... just for etch and sid though.
22:51.25SeboAnyone uses bootsplash kernel patch?? I've downloaded bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.15.diff file into /usr/src where I've got linux-2.6.15 dir with kernel src in it and i typed # patch<bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.15.diff and it sad it can't find files to patch :(
22:51.43jonkrilunaphyte, apt-spy kindly removed my sources.list file and now i have remoed it and it can't be installed
22:51.46jonkriso please ju give me a oneliner
22:51.52jonkriplease please please please please
22:51.52chjuniorlunitik, thank you anyway
22:52.08Trek00jonkri: i think that there are no mirrors
22:52.28jonkriTrek00, of course there are. i used them when i installed my system
22:52.30lunitikjonkri: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free    would be fine
22:52.35jonkrithanks!
22:53.28jonkriwhy isn't there a wine there?
22:53.42lunitikjonkri: note ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/etch  has "Contents-amd64.diff" etc...
22:53.44jonkrido i have to have non-us somewhere? wine should be in testing accourding to packages.debian.org...
22:54.12lunitikjonkri: wine isn't 64bit ... you'd need to setup a 32bit chroot system
22:54.29Sebono one ;(
22:54.33jonkri:((((((
22:54.48lunitikSebo: I don't reboot enough to care about boot splashes
22:55.21Trek00Sebo: try to cd into the linux kernel dir than type patch -p1 < bootsplash...diff
22:55.37jonkrilunaphyte, is that hard?
22:55.48lunitikjonkri: fix your auto-complete
22:56.13Supaplex~lart jonkri's auto-complete
22:56.21Trek00anyone know if grub can displays all disks/partions recognized and how to work around grub setup problems?
22:56.47jonkriwhoops
22:56.48jonkriok thanks
22:57.09lunitikjonkri: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html  <-- somewhere there there is info about it
22:57.19lunitikjonkri: my google abilities suck today though
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22:58.17dondelelcaroTrek00: just look in /proc/partitions if you want that information; you'll have to tell us what issues with grub setup you're having for more help, though.
22:58.58SeboTrek00: I know grub need some extensions for such file systems as reiserfs etc (I know that becous mine has such :) )
22:59.21g333k_workhi, how can I install vmware on debian?
22:59.38lunitikuhh... "Shell-like with Completion Box" ... close enough
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23:00.50gouzvmware installes out-of-the-bos, not debian specific, look for vmware linux docs
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23:01.19AndroidDataHelp! http://pastebin.ca/125826 -- I copied the /etc/apache folder to another place and typed "apt-get --purge remove apache". Then when I went to type "apt-get install apache", I got that error. I don't know what's going on.
23:01.22faroushi what are the  utils to mount linux network folders. I currently use fuse for mounting in userspace but was interested in knowing if there are other utils
23:01.34itsbrokeni just installed an ide controller, and am wondering how do i know if it is working ?
23:01.54AndroidData(I want to purge apache from my system and then reinstall it so all the config. files and suexec stuff gets reset and I receive old compiles)
23:02.39Trek00Sebo: thank you, but i'm using ext3
23:03.23Trek00dondelelcaro: I've installed debian on a MPT fusion controller with SAS disks, but i can't do grub-install because it fails to find stage1
23:04.17cydorkfarous, what network folders are you talkin about??
23:04.26Trek00when i manually do root (hd1,1) on the grub shell it don't find any valid partition but hd1 is mapped as sda that is the ritgh disk where debian is installed
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23:05.19AndroidDataHelp! http://pastebin.ca/125826 -- I copied the /etc/apache folder to another place and typed "apt-get --purge remove apache". Then when I went to type "apt-get install apache", I got that error. I don't know what's going on.
23:05.21AndroidData(I want to purge apache from my system and then reinstall it so all the config. files and suexec stuff gets reset and I receive old compiles)
23:05.25AndroidData:(
23:05.47farouscydork: basically i transfered my old dasktop to a storage facility. I need to mount some of the dir where i stored my data, media as a network folder for my and mywifes laptops
23:06.17cydorkfarous, are you talking about nfs or samba??
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23:06.47farouscydork: am a newbie here but the partitions are ext3 so i guess nfs
23:06.50Flutensanmarcos, ya, i probably should have just told the bios that the drive didnt exist anymore
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23:07.16lunitikfarous: you're just wanting to mount things from another harddrive? or over a network?
23:07.34cydorkfarous, /msg dpkg nfs or /msg dpkg nfs howto
23:07.35farouslunitik: over a wireless LAN
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23:07.49farousok thanx cydork :)
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23:08.45lunitikcydork: sorry for butting in  :D
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23:08.56farousis the boot down today?
23:09.04lunitik!talk
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23:09.04dpkgfrom memory, talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand.
23:09.08dondelelcaroTrek00: when you do the install, you want to do device (hd0) /dev/sda; then root (hd0,0); then setup (hd0,0); or similar.
23:09.34lunitikdondelelcaro: do you have to be registered to /msg dpkg?
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23:10.30farouseasybackport
23:10.34dondelelcarolunitik: you shouldn't have to be; I thought I made it +6.
23:10.41faroussorry wrong window :(
23:11.31lunitikdondelelcaro: I guess he figured out his issue, nm
23:11.32farousthat is strange by the way i am reg. but the boot do not reply to my messages.
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23:11.58farousany thanx will google it and look it up on debian doc. Thanx again all for the help
23:12.02AndroidDataany help? :\
23:12.20killownhelp what?
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23:12.26AndroidDataHelp! http://pastebin.ca/125826 -- I copied the /etc/apache folder to another place and typed "apt-get --purge remove apache". Then when I went to type "apt-get install apache", I got that error. I don't know what's going on.
23:12.29AndroidData<_<
23:12.36AndroidDataApache won't reinstall. Bah.
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23:12.56killownrs
23:12.56UnSOLARISaptitude clean && aptitude reinstall apache
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23:14.20lunitikI don't think installation issues would be a symtom though... hmm
23:14.24AndroidData:S
23:14.32cydorkAndroidData, did you copy the files or moved them??
23:14.38AndroidDataI moved them.
23:14.50cydorklunitik, then i guess confmiss will help
23:15.01AndroidDataI want to delete Apache WITHOUT using the config files I have.
23:15.14AndroidDataStart fresh.
23:15.22dondelelcaroAndroidData: so purge apache and install it.
23:15.28AndroidDataI did. I get the error.
23:15.31AndroidData:\
23:15.32dondelelcaroAndroidData: or use confmiss.
23:15.46cydorkAndroidData, /msg dpkg confmiss
23:15.48lunitikdondelelcaro: see his pastbin, he apparently tried that... confmiss is what I'm wondering would help?
23:15.58dondelelcaroAndroidData: you need to also reinstall apache-common
23:16.33lunitikdondelelcaro: when you die, I get your brain, deal?  :D
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23:17.15AndroidDataNope. Didn't work.
23:17.17dondelelcarowell, probably anyway; I've forgotten exactly how those things are split up in which versions.
23:17.20dondelelcaroAndroidData: with confmiss.
23:17.27dondelelcarojust reinstalling is useless
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23:17.38lunitik!confmiss
23:17.39dpkgthe reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>
23:17.44AndroidDataWait..
23:17.45lunitikAndroidData: ^^
23:17.50AndroidDataBOOM BABY!
23:17.53AndroidDataEr.
23:18.00Trek00dondelelcaro: device (hd0) /dev/sda is the same to have this written in the device.map file right?
23:18.15AndroidDataOk
23:18.19AndroidDataNow, I have one more question.
23:18.23lunitikAndroidData: you're spitting while on the toilet?
23:18.24cydorkAndroidData, is that supposed to be good or bad :P
23:18.25dondelelcaroTrek00: the device.map file is pretty useless.
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23:18.42AndroidDataHey, being a llama is a step up from being a troll. :p
23:19.19AndroidDataQuestion: can I use Debian/sarge to take over the world if I hook it up to a generator which freezes time and erects a field of non-frozen time around me?
23:19.26stonedmaybe you could turn into a guy with something interesting to talk about?
23:19.33stonedlike debian
23:19.37stonedok nevermind
23:19.43lunitikAndroidData: where there is a will....
23:19.54AndroidDatamwahahaha! I'll run the program!
23:20.00AndroidData*runs it*
23:20.08Trek00dondelelcaro: i can't try to do it now, but the generated device.map file was right, so i think that this was not the problem :-/
23:20.41dondelelcaroTrek00: if the setup completed correctly, then it's probably ok... is this a software raid controller?
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23:20.52dondelelcaroTrek00: are you running raid 1 on the boot partition?
23:20.58Trek00dondelelcaro: no
23:21.18Trek00there is an MPT fusion raid controller but i don't have configured it
23:21.34lunitikMy Google skills suck today  :(
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23:22.30dondelelcarolunitik: _Cats Cradle_ is what you're looking for
23:22.49AndroidDataum
23:22.57AndroidDatasuexec dissappeared... :(
23:23.03AndroidDataand it never asked me for suexec
23:23.12Trek00dondelelcaro: grub setup don't work, it can't find stage 1 and root (hd1,1) do not points to any valid partition but on the generated device.map hd1 is sda that is the installed /target i followed the instructions of http://ioctl.org/unix/debian/x4100 without creating a SAS mirror. May be this the problem?
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23:24.40dondelelcaroTrek00: if you can't do the setup, then the device.map is probably wrong. Just ignore it, and specify it using device (hd0) /dev/sda; or whatever is appropriate.
23:25.28Trek00dondelelcaro: ok, I'll try to do it
23:25.33Trek00thank you :-)
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23:26.27AndroidDataahhhhhh I got it
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23:28.37dondelelcaroTrek00: np; good luck.
23:29.51Trek00dondelelcaro: do you know any problem with grub and hardware raid? (I don't configured it, but may be it is enabled in some unknown way)
23:29.52lunitikdondelelcaro: by chance, you have any idea what happened to bob2? last I heard, he was hired by Canonical, but I haven't seen him around forever   :(
23:30.19lunitik(just asking because you probably know him better than I did...)
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23:30.43dondelelcarolunitik: I haven't seen him either; I've been told that he's still alive by some people who know him in RL, though.
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23:31.05lunitikdondelelcaro: that's good to hear I suppose  :D
23:31.25lunitikdondelelcaro: he was always so helpful in here though... shame he seems to have stopped helping on IRC  :(
23:31.50dondelelcarolunitik: yeah... but people get burned out... so I understand it
23:32.20lunitikdondelelcaro: true, I can definitely understand him getting burned out... shame though  :(
23:32.28lunitikHopefully he'll come back one day!
23:33.59dondelelcaroyeah
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23:38.30beardylunitik: The rumour was that he got a girlfriend, and therefor "a life", and has not been seen since.
23:39.24lunitikbeardy: ahhh, I've had female friends, and still came here regularly  :(
23:39.50buckythe operative word there is *had*
23:40.20beardylunitik: very close friends, if not, that's perhaps why..
23:40.26litagei have "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes" in /etc/default/bootlogd and the bootlogd init script startup links exist, but /var/log/boot is never populated. what might be wrong?:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/qIFVmt42.html
23:41.11Trek00thank you and bye bye
23:41.12Trek00:)
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23:41.39beardythe word "girlfriend" means more than a friend that is a girl, I've heard ;)
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23:42.58lunitikAlthough, with a mug like this: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/trey2.jpg why would you want to  8)
23:44.23lunitikI have less hair now anyways though...
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23:49.40poonjhey guys...I just tried to install a clean copy of etch on my system.  For some reason, I'm getting errors when its trying to start X, saying that its missing fonts.  Is there something broken with the etch install?
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23:53.01lunitikpoonj: you can safely ignore font issues
23:53.11lunitikpoonj: if X isn't starting, its for other reasons
23:53.42Luke771hey
23:53.54lunitikLuke771: hey
23:53.55Luke771I'm having a small keyboard problem
23:54.01lunitikLuke771: cool
23:54.03cydorkpoonj, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
23:54.05Luke771no biggie but rather annoyng
23:54.10Luke771yi
23:54.16lunitikLuke771: you gonna make us guess the issue?
23:54.18Luke771it's like this:
23:54.48Luke771lunitik, yes I try to find out how may psichics there are in the channel :-)
23:54.58Luke771anyways
23:55.09cydorkLuke771, the force is not with us nowdays :)
23:55.11Luke771when I log in my layout is gone
23:55.13Luke771partially gone
23:55.25dos000i have some libs and headers installed in a non standard location. is there a (bashrc) like file i can modify so these headers/libs are found as soon as the system starts up ?
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23:55.53Luke771the layout is still there but the key+alt thing doesn't work
23:55.56lunitikLuke771: when you log into... what?
23:56.23Luke771then I switch layout back and forth and it works again
23:56.45lunitikLuke771: what are you logging into when the layout goes bye bye?
23:56.45Luke771aw yeah, sorry: when I log in as user or root on my machine
23:56.56lunitikLuke771: to X or console?
23:57.00Luke771logging in my user account
23:57.03Luke771x
23:57.08Luke771gnome
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23:57.24lunitikLuke771: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... make sure layout is correct there
23:57.31Luke771and I get an error message about xserver-xfree
23:57.52Luke771yes i did that but that's actually the thing that doesn't work
23:58.08Luke771when I first installed I chose my layout and it worked fine
23:58.09lunitikLuke771: help us help you, don't make us guess
23:58.22lunitik!ask
23:58.23dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
23:58.28lunitik!questions
23:58.29dpkgremember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
23:58.30Luke771the I hade to dpkg-reconfigure to install some nvidia drivers
23:58.31lunitikignore ask
23:58.45Luke771lunitik I can't typwe faster than this
23:58.55Luke771anyways
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23:59.01lunitikLuke771: the the link about smart-questions ... then come back
23:59.10lunitiksee the*
23:59.16dos000is etc/ld.so.conf supposed to be missing in sarge ?
23:59.36fmarosticaDoes anyone have been used apache + mod_snmp ?
23:59.41lunitik!find ld.so.conf sarge
23:59.48lunitik!anyone
23:59.49dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
23:59.52dpkgDebian Search of 'ld.so.conf' (1): (/usr/lib/mindi/rootfs/etc/ld.so.conf) in utils/mindi.

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