| 00:00.15 | Luke771 | I installed the system and it worked fine, then I had to dpkg reconfigure and the alt+key thing was gone, so I tried reconfigure again, I "think" that I configured the right layout but I'm afraid not because it doesnt work |
| 00:00.25 | Luke771 | but when I swwitch layout in x preferences it workes fine |
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| 00:00.44 | beardy | Luke771: by "layout" you mean resolution? |
| 00:00.48 | Luke771 | so the question is, how do I make the system sick with the x layout instad of the xserver layout? |
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| 00:01.02 | Luke771 | no I mean keyboard layout |
| 00:01.14 | Luke771 | I live in europe I have a non.-standard layout |
| 00:01.17 | beardy | Oh |
| 00:01.30 | dos000 | lunitik, so the package name is mindi ??? the one that contains ld.so.conf |
| 00:01.39 | beardy | Luke771: Which version of Debian? |
| 00:01.43 | lunitik | dos000: thats what it says... |
| 00:02.35 | lunitik | dos000: apparently thats the only package that contains that file... although, thats for creating boot disks ... that related? |
| 00:02.38 | thefish | like, more angular? or should it not go in as much? |
| 00:02.44 | Luke771 | when I use the configuration settings in the gnome menu, then it works fine, but when I log out and in again it switches back to the xserver configured layout, which dowsn't really work |
| 00:02.48 | lunitik | dos000: if not, then what you want isn't in sarge... |
| 00:02.49 | Luke771 | debian sarge |
| 00:02.55 | poonj | lunitik, it worked after I installed the fonts |
| 00:02.56 | beardy | Luke771: Which keyboard layout are you trying to use? |
| 00:03.06 | dos000 | lunitik, no totally not related |
| 00:03.06 | Luke771 | debian sarge with a 2.6.8-k7 kernel |
| 00:03.12 | poonj | but its complaining of not having some other fonts |
| 00:03.12 | Luke771 | italian |
| 00:03.13 | beardy | Luke771: Are you using an x.org backport? |
| 00:03.22 | Luke771 | standard italian-it |
| 00:03.40 | Luke771 | well... I don't really know, let me check |
| 00:03.46 | lunitik | poonj: yeah, you need some fonts... but font errors can be ignored in most cases... hard to use X with no fonts though... |
| 00:03.49 | beardy | Luke771: Then you aren't. |
| 00:04.02 | dos000 | lunitik, i am just trying to install some unixodbc drivers .. and i need a way of telling my other programs in the system to find these headers/libs |
| 00:04.04 | lunitik | dos000: then yeah... not in sarge... sorry |
| 00:04.14 | Luke771 | no probably not |
| 00:04.18 | poonj | lunitik, yeah, I installed the 75dpi, 100dpi, base, and cryllic fonts |
| 00:04.27 | poonj | but the thing is, I was just wondering if something was wrong iwth the installation |
| 00:04.34 | beardy | Luke771: When you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' you are asked about your keyboard, what answers do you give there? |
| 00:04.49 | poonj | because I selected the desktop environment install at the beginning...usually it works... |
| 00:04.54 | cydork | poonj, is xfonts-base installed ?? |
| 00:04.55 | fmarostica | Is there deb package for mod_snmp in sarge distro? |
| 00:04.56 | dos000 | lunitik, basically these headers/libs are not installed in the lsb dirs that programs normally search for |
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| 00:05.03 | poonj | cydork, I had to manually do it afterwards |
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| 00:05.15 | Luke771 | beardy I gave 105 keys intl |
| 00:05.17 | lunitik | poonj: 75/100dpi is only useful for gtk1.2 or whatever... you want scalable probably |
| 00:05.29 | Luke771 | beardy 105 keys intl, it layout, standard |
| 00:05.30 | HTGN-css|Silent_ | how can I set a directory to auto-assign permissions on write? |
| 00:05.31 | poonj | what else do I need? |
| 00:05.33 | cydork | poonj, can you paste the error in pastbin or somethin |
| 00:05.36 | HTGN-css|Silent_ | no matter who makes the file |
| 00:05.39 | poonj | okay |
| 00:05.43 | Luke771 | same thing works whern I choose it from the menu |
| 00:05.48 | dos000 | lunitik, isnt there a config file that specifies your {include,man,lib} paths ? |
| 00:05.49 | poonj | cydork, everything is working now |
| 00:05.54 | lunitik | poonj: 75/100dpi is _ugly_ ... gtk1.2 didn't work with pretty things |
| 00:05.54 | poonj | but its still complaining about some fonts |
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| 00:06.08 | cydork | poonj, that you can ignore... |
| 00:06.11 | poonj | what fonts do I need then? |
| 00:06.15 | poonj | yeah |
| 00:06.17 | lunitik | dos000: no idea... I put things in standard places |
| 00:06.17 | poonj | I know.. |
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| 00:07.13 | Boil | Is there any way to make the text in a CLI significantly smaller? |
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| 00:10.16 | beardy | Luke771: Can you choose it in the Control Panel, or what gnome calls it, and save the setting? |
| 00:11.16 | Luke771 | beardy I tried that |
| 00:11.21 | Luke771 | didnt work. |
| 00:11.46 | Luke771 | I can't make gnome tick with the settings I choose |
| 00:12.02 | guk | does anyone know why my squid suddenly does not work transparently anymore ... it worked for the longest time then I updated it and now it doesn't work transparently (only if I set my browser to goto it directly) ? |
| 00:12.04 | beardy | Boil: append vga=ask to the kernel and select more rows and columns, or higher resolution if you use framebuffer, or select another console font |
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| 00:12.39 | Luke771 | at every log in it will switch back to xfree settings, and I can't set those to work properly |
| 00:12.41 | Luke771 | Now I'm checking out /etc/X11/xkb/rules and see if I can figure somethinig out |
| 00:12.49 | guk | I simply get a invalad request when I try to access websites (transparently) it works fine tho if you don't use it transparently ... but that would kinda break the point of having a transparent proxy |
| 00:14.06 | beardy | Luke771: Yeah, perhaps you can find something there.. Have you googled for the problem you have, italian keyboard not working in X, and a solution, it's very likely someone else has also had the same problem. |
| 00:14.14 | Boil | Thanks very much beardy |
| 00:14.58 | Luke771 | Yes I gave that a try but I can google more, I didn't really search that much |
| 00:15.51 | beardy | Boil: You're welcome. |
| 00:16.34 | Luke771 | beardy one thing I figured out, that the setting loaded by the controlpanel are stored somewhere else than the settings configured by dpkg-reconfigure. If I could find the control panel settings and copy them to the xserver conf file maybe that would work |
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| 00:18.10 | beardy | Luke771: Yeah. Perhaps you enter the wrong settings in dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 00:18.18 | cydork | guk, squid doesn't work trasnperently, it's needs a nat for that .. |
| 00:18.24 | Luke771 | maybe I got it: the key must be in the dpkg-reconfigure section where you set up your special keys. The layout is "almost" correct, only the alt key doesnt work as it should.... gonna check taht outy. then google, then I'll be back here if I still cant fix it |
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| 00:18.50 | beardy | Luke771: Perhaps the settings are stored somewhere under ~./gnome? |
| 00:19.10 | guk | cydork: yeah ... I got the NAT working fine ... it worked perfectly with this conf this morning ... then I updated squid now it says a ton of lines are no good and won't work transparently ... |
| 00:19.22 | Luke771 | beardy, the settings like 105 keys and IT are correct (I even counted the keys!) the problem must be the "special" key configuration. gonna take a look at that |
| 00:19.37 | beardy | Luke771: or ~/.Gnome/, I don't run it.. |
| 00:19.46 | Luke771 | beardy YRAH! (and: DUH!) |
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| 00:19.54 | guk | cydork: I have my 80 requests goto my router then bounce back to my linux machine which processes it and sends it back to the client all ... transparently |
| 00:19.55 | Luke771 | yeah |
| 00:20.01 | Luke771 | gonna check that out |
| 00:20.38 | Luke771 | beardy there must be a .gnome-settings dir somewhere |
| 00:20.41 | beardy | Luke771: Do you enter anything at the question about special keys? IIRC it's the last question of the keyboard questions? |
| 00:20.51 | Luke771 | and there IS a .desktop dir as well |
| 00:20.56 | cydork | guk, and is there a firewall on that machine?? |
| 00:20.57 | beardy | Luke771: #gnome should know |
| 00:21.09 | beardy | Luke771: Perhaps it's in there then? |
| 00:21.10 | Luke771 | beardy no I didn't, I'm going to try that one now |
| 00:21.30 | Luke771 | wait, I'm going to check. BRB |
| 00:21.48 | cydork | guk, nm my last question if it works by pointing it then everything is fine at squid end AFAIK. |
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| 00:22.53 | beardy | Luke771: Have you tried asking in #debian-it or #linux-it? |
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| 00:23.26 | Luke771 | maybe the easiest slution is to get an EN-US keyboard. I don't really understand why languages that use the same letters must have different keyboard layouts... |
| 00:23.27 | beardy | Luke771: They should be familliar with italian keyboards in X. |
| 00:23.46 | Luke771 | possible |
| 00:23.48 | beardy | Luke771: Oh, you don't have any other keys than a US keyboard? |
| 00:24.16 | beardy | Luke771: Are the keys placed differently? |
| 00:24.52 | beardy | Luke771: Differently than a US keyboard I mean. |
| 00:24.55 | Luke771 | but we wouldn't really understand each other because they run italian verions and I use an english version, so when they say go to this and that menu I'll have to translate all the time... but I'll give ita try anyway |
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| 00:25.42 | Luke771 | beardy the qwerty layout is the same, what's different is how the other keys are placed |
| 00:25.43 | beardy | Luke771: A lot of them probably runs the same way as you do. |
| 00:26.03 | Luke771 | lite the symbols over the numners and on the right hand side of the letters |
| 00:26.19 | Luke771 | beardy, yes that's possible |
| 00:26.21 | beardy | Luke771: I see.. But if you are used to the US layout, you could try use that? |
| 00:27.33 | Luke771 | I run english desktop because it's easier to get (and give) help on forums and channels, as over 65% of the whole internet is in englis, but most europeans don't seem to realize that and stick to their local languages |
| 00:27.47 | Luke771 | I can use the us layout yes |
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| 00:28.01 | Luke771 | or the swedish layout, as I lived some years in sweden |
| 00:28.06 | beardy | Luke771: Perhaps, you and I do atleast. |
| 00:28.18 | beardy | Luke771: I'm swedish. |
| 00:28.40 | Luke771 | but seeing different symbols than those that come out when typing is quite annoying |
| 00:29.00 | beardy | Luke771: Yes, indeed, just as a temporary solution. |
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| 00:29.09 | Luke771 | beardy you are? I do speak swedish too, but it's better to stick with english while we're here |
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| 00:29.20 | beardy | Luke771: Yeah. |
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| 00:29.58 | Luke771 | beardy well as a temporary solution, simply going to the settings menu and switch back and fort to the IT-layout does the trick |
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| 00:30.25 | Luke771 | the problem is that I don't want to do that, and I dont want to see any error messages when I log in |
| 00:30.40 | beardy | Luke771: If you save your gnome session, does it save the layout setting? |
| 00:30.49 | Sebo | I've got realy strange situation :/ I notticed that some packages have dissapeaded from '$ dpkg -l' but they are at my OS ;] At least I can use the programs. How can I fix that?? |
| 00:30.50 | Luke771 | nope |
| 00:30.55 | beardy | Luke771: No, I understand that. |
| 00:31.07 | AndroidData | PROBLEM: I'm using suexec and have two groups (´staff´ and ´users´). When trying to run a CGI app owned by a user in group ´staff´, it fails cause' the GID of ´staff´ is 50 (below allowed). I tried changing it to "admins", but webmin gives this reply: Failed to save user : 'admins' is not a valid group |
| 00:31.29 | Luke771 | wait a minute now, I'm gonna try another thing |
| 00:31.51 | beardy | Luke771: I'll see if I have a good googling day.. |
| 00:32.17 | Luke771 | ok |
| 00:32.25 | Luke771 | I'll check out the italian channel |
| 00:32.32 | beardy | Good idea. |
| 00:32.34 | Luke771 | is it #gnome-it right? |
| 00:32.52 | Luke771 | debian-it or something |
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| 00:33.33 | itsbroken | when you first install apache2 and php4, is php4 disabled by default or something ? |
| 00:34.09 | AndroidData | er any help |
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| 00:34.57 | bucky | itsbroken: uncomment the mime type in apache2.conf if you've already apt-got php4 |
| 00:34.57 | beardy | !tell Luke771 -about it |
| 00:34.59 | lontra | is there support for realvideo 4.0 in w32codecs? |
| 00:35.00 | Nurbs | itsbroken: don't know the default. "a2enmod php4" might be required |
| 00:35.13 | itsbroken | okay |
| 00:35.16 | bucky | and restart apache |
| 00:35.18 | lontra | my mplayer pluginin seems to be unable to play a realvideo 4.0 |
| 00:35.19 | Nurbs | itsbroken: also, don't forget libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 00:37.00 | lontra | does helix player play the same video/audio that real player can? |
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| 00:37.49 | itsbroken | i uncomment the mime type, did a2enmod php4 (already enabled), and have libapache2-mod-php4 installed and restarted,doesnt seem to be working .. |
| 00:37.54 | itsbroken | i have to be forgetting something |
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| 00:38.13 | Nurbs | what do you mean, doesn't work? :) |
| 00:38.19 | itsbroken | yeah |
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| 00:38.31 | itsbroken | itsbroken .. haha |
| 00:38.50 | Luke771 | there are people online on #debian-it but it look like no one is apyin attention to their chat windows |
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| 00:39.20 | Nurbs | !does not work |
| 00:39.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 00:39.33 | itsbroken | hahaha |
| 00:39.45 | Luke771 | hehe |
| 00:40.06 | itsbroken | hmm, so what happens is, i open the page in a web browser and it wants to download the .php |
| 00:40.13 | itsbroken | i gues the server isnt parsing it ? |
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| 00:40.20 | beardy | itsbroken: Correct. |
| 00:40.29 | itsbroken | hmm |
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| 00:40.29 | plasmoduck | hey when I do apt-get install webmin |
| 00:40.34 | plasmoduck | it has errors |
| 00:40.37 | beardy | !webmin |
| 00:40.39 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 00:41.13 | kill4killin | haha |
| 00:41.29 | kill4killin | so, does anyone want to help me continue my conquest to get wifi running? |
| 00:41.30 | beardy | Luke771: Do you have italian locales generated? |
| 00:41.35 | Luke771 | who writes those things? |
| 00:41.57 | Luke771 | I don't even know hat you're talking about :-( |
| 00:42.01 | beardy | !locales |
| 00:42.02 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 00:42.04 | Luke771 | w |
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| 00:42.30 | Luke771 | ok I get it |
| 00:42.31 | halcyonCorsair | hi, can anyone tell me how to setup a network interface to start on boot? |
| 00:43.10 | Nurbs | itsbroken: did you restart apache? where did you put your .php? |
| 00:43.17 | Luke771 | no I use standard US-EWnglish for everithing except the keyboard, and only because I couldnt fine an american keyboard (maybe I'll buy one on the internet) |
| 00:43.20 | itsbroken | yeah |
| 00:43.30 | itsbroken | im trying to get gallery2 running, |
| 00:43.32 | beardy | Luke771: It shouldn't have anything to do with your X keyboard setting.. but seems like the one that wrote this says so, http://ln-s.net/CnU |
| 00:43.33 | Luke771 | anyway, I'try enablyng those locals |
| 00:43.39 | itsbroken | i put the gallery2 dir in /var/www |
| 00:43.52 | enouf | halcyonCorsair: plug it in before you boot? |
| 00:43.57 | Nurbs | itsbroken: does a 404 page list PHP? |
| 00:43.59 | itsbroken | hmmm |
| 00:44.27 | Nurbs | like "Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) PHP/5.1.4-0.1 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8b Server at ..." |
| 00:44.27 | itsbroken | Nurbs: i just instead of putting localhost/gallery2 , i put localhost/gallery2/index.php and it opend fine |
| 00:44.32 | beardy | Luke771: Just generate them, don't change the system default. |
| 00:44.43 | Nurbs | ah |
| 00:44.47 | itsbroken | i dont think the 404 page lists apache |
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| 00:45.11 | Luke771 | as I understand, locales are thing like measurement system (metric/imperial) decilam symbols (comma in europe and dot in us) and so on. that doesnt affect the keyboard |
| 00:45.25 | beardy | Luke771: Yes, that's correct. |
| 00:45.28 | itsbroken | hmm i gotta play with this, i think it may be working |
| 00:45.39 | itsbroken | or php lol |
| 00:45.51 | beardy | Luke771: Also error messages, and translations of programs and so on. |
| 00:46.46 | halcyonCorsair | enouf: configuration wise, what do i need to do in /etc? |
| 00:46.54 | Luke771 | and anyway, the keyboard works just fine when I change the settings in the menu to something else and then switch back to standard italian. so there must be two different sets of settings, and I don't know how to make gnome stick to the right one (that's the menu-controlled settings) |
| 00:47.07 | Luke771 | I don't want ant translations |
| 00:47.17 | beardy | Luke771: But to be able to use åäö, one way is to generate the swedish locales, on console that is, and as I said, I don't think it has anything to with your issue either.. |
| 00:47.30 | Luke771 | I use an english systenm to mainly to skip language mixing on the keyboard |
| 00:47.30 | enouf | halcyonCorsair: depends on the interface , not much (or nothing) usually |
| 00:47.33 | Luke771 | I hate that |
| 00:47.38 | beardy | Luke771: No, only the other things, date format and , or . and such. |
| 00:47.39 | kill4killin | o, does anyone know how to shutdown x totally so that i can install my graphics card drivers? |
| 00:47.42 | Luke771 | one desktop one language |
| 00:48.14 | Luke771 | beard, that's what I was talking about. and it doesnt affect the keyboard anyway |
| 00:48.17 | halcyonCorsair | enouf: the /etc/network/interfaces file, right? where can i find documentation on that file? |
| 00:48.20 | amphi | kill4killin: /etc/init.d/gdm stop perhaps |
| 00:48.41 | kill4killin | ok ill try that |
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| 00:48.56 | AndroidData | what is the command to edit a user? |
| 00:49.13 | AndroidData | I tried "edituser" and "chuser" and "changeuser" |
| 00:49.16 | enouf | halcyonCorsair: depends on the interface - care to elaborate? |
| 00:49.38 | AndroidData | ahh usermod |
| 00:49.41 | Luke771 | i can do åäö on the italian keyboard without switching layout, but that only works on linux. on windopws, I have to switch layout when I need to write in swedish |
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| 00:50.12 | AndroidData | red:/etc# usermod datatheandroid -g admins gives me usermod: user admins does not exist. it does exist in /etc/shadow and /etc/gshadow. any help? |
| 00:50.19 | Luke771 | anyway, I switched to 100% linux yesterday. no more dual boot for me |
| 00:51.05 | enouf | halcyonCorsair: In general - most great docs reside beneath /usr/share/doc/ - do you have doc-base installed? |
| 00:51.24 | Luke771 | (that's because I got tired of MS flight simulator: you can't keep doing simulations all your life, sooner or later you have to do the real thing, and I can't afford that... but that's another story) |
| 00:51.41 | halcyonCorsair | enouf: i'm trying to troubleshoot someone else, and am not running debian....i may have a debian machine in the office, but i'm not sure yet |
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| 00:52.24 | enouf | halcyonCorsair: why not tell them to join here? -- and are they running debian? otherwise it's futile |
| 00:52.38 | lavi | hi, which tool can verify the protocol that support ssl-proxy? |
| 00:52.44 | halcyonCorsair | enouf: yes they are |
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| 00:53.16 | halcyonCorsair | enouf: auto eth1 <-- does that mean automatically start the interface on boot? |
| 00:53.41 | lavi | I mean I can use that to verify whether it can support this protocol |
| 00:53.47 | souljas | eth1 would be the 2nd netcard |
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| 00:53.56 | beardy | Luke771: And you can see if it runs in wine |
| 00:54.04 | plasmoduck | Setting up webmin-core (1.180-3) ... |
| 00:54.04 | plasmoduck | /etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory |
| 00:54.04 | plasmoduck | dpkg: error processing webmin-core (--configure): |
| 00:54.05 | souljas | etho is usually the 1st card |
| 00:54.17 | souljas | eth0/etho |
| 00:54.18 | enouf | halcyonCorsair: almost -- it would be a piece of starting a (certain particular) ethernet interface, is that what this is ? |
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| 00:54.43 | kill4killin | nvidia driver installed |
| 00:55.29 | halcyonCorsair | enouf: i believe so, sec i'm gonna talk to him |
| 00:55.54 | kill4killin | so amphi, about this wirieless thing... |
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| 00:56.38 | lontra | how can i tell if CPU frequency scaling is support for my laptop in debian? |
| 00:56.56 | stew | lontra: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:57.06 | plasmoduck | lontra: cat /etc/proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:57.22 | plasmoduck | sorry |
| 00:57.25 | lontra | plasmoduck: no such file |
| 00:57.30 | plasmoduck | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:57.37 | lontra | i have a 2.3GHz celeron processor |
| 00:57.57 | dondelelcaro | most likely it's supported, assuming you've got the proper modules loaded. |
| 00:58.10 | dondelelcaro | lontra: cpufreq-info; should tell you one way or another. |
| 00:58.10 | kill4killin | ok, hey, wtf is wrong with my clock in kde? |
| 00:58.11 | lontra | dondelelcaro: i just installed etch today |
| 00:58.21 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 00:58.21 | kill4killin | it never wants to tell me the right time |
| 00:58.22 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 00:58.26 | lontra | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.33 | Juzzy | kill4killin: wrong timezone? |
| 00:58.46 | kill4killin | yea and it wont hold the right one |
| 00:59.13 | Juzzy | set it via base-config |
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| 00:59.41 | enouf | halcyonCorsair: just to be candid - I'm no networking guru of any sort - I've been trying slowly (gently) to aid you to give details, so that perhaps others reading may want to jump in to clarify/help -- understand ? They will not do that (usually) unless you are very specific about your problem, what you have tried and the specific errors you (or others) get |
| 00:59.58 | lontra | do i need to load a module or is my cpu freq scaling just not supported? |
| 01:00.00 | Luke771 | beardy what flight simualtor? it doesn't. and anyway I got tired of that, otherwise I would at least keep one strupped-to-the-bone windows installation just for gaming. Instead of spending 300 euros for a good flight simulaion capable computer, I copuld use the same money to fly some ultralights around. I think I'll do that. |
| 01:00.01 | killown | I 'm diarrhoea |
| 01:00.20 | enouf | kill4killin : how old is the mobo ? |
| 01:00.31 | stoned | killown, what? |
| 01:00.38 | enouf | ^^^ |
| 01:00.39 | kill4killin | very new |
| 01:00.50 | Luke771 | strupped?!? I mean stripped. and I can't keep off topic messages short, best not posting those att all... |
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| 01:01.30 | Luke771 | and 300 I meant 3000 |
| 01:01.49 | Luke771 | OK I'll stop the OT now |
| 01:01.59 | Marupa | hey, quick question: what's the command line program to reconfigure x? |
| 01:02.14 | beardy | !drxx Marupa |
| 01:02.15 | dpkg | Marupa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:02.19 | Marupa | thank you |
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| 01:03.18 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3398 |
| 01:03.35 | grendelson | I'm here seeking help with a debian testing box that will not burn cds no matter what I try. |
| 01:03.41 | grendelson | I can burn DVD on theis plextor. |
| 01:03.44 | enouf | kill4killin : you likely have an issue with the hwclock (guessing) and the way you set up the install - unfortunately i forget the specifics, but a 'dmesg | grep clock' should show your systems RTC (RealTimeClock) is loaded - but see 'man hwclock' too |
| 01:03.49 | grendelson | I pasted output of recetn cdrecord attempt |
| 01:03.59 | lunitik | grendelson: you can't burn CD's, or DVD's? |
| 01:04.15 | beardy | kill4killin: How much is your clock off? |
| 01:04.21 | lunitik | grendelson: is cdrecord suid root? |
| 01:04.28 | kill4killin | so, nothing now |
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| 01:04.29 | beardy | kill4killin: Is that a multiboot machine? |
| 01:04.29 | grendelson | lunitik, I can burn DVD OK. CDrecord wont burn on dvd/cd burner or on external cdwriter |
| 01:04.35 | kill4killin | its not off now |
| 01:04.40 | grendelson | lunitik, Not sure now that you ask... |
| 01:04.41 | jbrimble | What backup tools would you guys recommend? |
| 01:04.43 | lunitik | beardy: ntpdate will fix his issue ... no matter how far its off |
| 01:05.02 | lunitik | grendelson: try burning as root... any difference? |
| 01:05.04 | grendelson | -rwsr-xr-- 1 root cdrom 133 2006-01-07 12:43 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 01:05.15 | beardy | lunitik: Not what I asked. |
| 01:05.16 | kill4killin | yes it is a multi boot machine |
| 01:05.17 | grendelson | lunitik, Always burning as "sudo" or root. |
| 01:05.31 | lunitik | grendelson: then yes, its suid root... strange |
| 01:05.42 | lunitik | grendelson: (the s in the x spot means suid) |
| 01:05.54 | grendelson | lunitik, I get errors from both the Plextor and the acer USB. I have 2.6.15 kernel and |
| 01:05.58 | beardy | kill4killin: Then you have to have your computer's hardware clock in localtime, and tell Debian that you have it in localtime. |
| 01:06.08 | kill4killin | how do i do that |
| 01:06.18 | beardy | kill4killin: Your system probably thinks it is in UTC. |
| 01:06.25 | grendelson | cant get cdrdao or cdrecord to burn. Ddvd burning works fine... |
| 01:06.28 | kill4killin | i changed it to think ESD |
| 01:06.44 | lunitik | beardy: true, which is why I didn't point him at that... just saying it to you... ntpdate doesn't care about how off a clock is... but maybe you're going somewhere, thus I shouldn't direct him towards something else. |
| 01:06.51 | beardy | kill4killin: Rerunning base-config IIRC, and answering the question about what you keep your rtc in correctly. |
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| 01:07.08 | lontra_ | well suspend works but hibernation doesn't :) |
| 01:07.21 | lontra_ | so what modules might i need to load for cpu freq scaling? |
| 01:07.23 | beardy | kill4killin: It let's you select your timezone with a meni IIRC. |
| 01:07.28 | beardy | menu |
| 01:07.33 | kill4killin | beardy, ? |
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| 01:07.49 | lunitik | beardy: 'tzconfig' ... base-config is obsolete |
| 01:07.53 | kill4killin | it doesnt matter, its set now, ill see if it holds when i reboot |
| 01:08.03 | beardy | lunitik: Not in sarge. |
| 01:08.22 | lunitik | beardy: true, I don't like telling people methods that are obsolete though... |
| 01:08.32 | kill4killin | i used date --set hh:mm:ss |
| 01:08.35 | beardy | lunitik: Sarge is stable, so it is not obsolete. |
| 01:08.36 | lunitik | beardy: especially with etch being released in a few months |
| 01:08.45 | beardy | kill4killin: DOesn't fix your problem. |
| 01:08.59 | kill4killin | looks like it has |
| 01:09.05 | beardy | lunitik: I don't care. It might not be, it may be delayed $random months. |
| 01:09.23 | beardy | kill4killin: When you reboot, same thing again, but do as you please. |
| 01:09.51 | beardy | lunitik: And are you sure that tzconfig fixes that? |
| 01:10.00 | lunitik | beardy: you misunderstand, you know as well as I do that base-config is not around... tzconfig exists on sarge... why teach people things that you know won't be relivant in the (reasonably close) future? |
| 01:10.31 | lunitik | beardy: base-config used tzconfig ... |
| 01:10.31 | kill4killin | ok, well beardy, im trying to understand what your suggesting, so please, continue |
| 01:10.31 | jbrimble | should i remove "telnet" for increased security? |
| 01:10.43 | Marupa | could someone help me figure out why x can't find my video card? |
| 01:10.57 | beardy | lunitik: To set the timezone, yes of course, but to tell that the rtc is set in utc or localtime, I mean. |
| 01:10.57 | grendelson | Is it possible that disks that a CD burner writes to fine in a windows laptop can not be written to in a Linux powered cd burner? |
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| 01:11.11 | lunitik | beardy: it won't fix his hardware clock, but base-config was used for time zone wrt clocks... not hardware... |
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| 01:11.18 | beardy | jbrimble: No. Just don't install telnetd. |
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| 01:12.08 | beardy | lunitik: So what asked about if the rtc is kept in localtime or utc then? |
| 01:12.18 | kill4killin | Marupa, what card is it? |
| 01:12.21 | beardy | lunitik: And where to change it? |
| 01:12.30 | Marupa | GeForce FX 5200 |
| 01:12.41 | Marupa | it's reporting no devices found, no screens found. |
| 01:12.45 | lunitik | beardy: tzconfig does explicit timezone or utc ... |
| 01:13.14 | lunitik | beardy: run tzconfig ... you'll recognize it... |
| 01:13.16 | kill4killin | Marupa, can you run a standard terminal? |
| 01:13.21 | Marupa | yeah |
| 01:13.22 | lunitik | beardy: (as root) |
| 01:13.30 | Marupa | just nothing graphical. |
| 01:13.34 | beardy | lunitik: I'm not on a Debian machine, or having access to one at the moment. |
| 01:13.53 | kill4killin | use another machine to download the Nvidia linux driver and then follow the readme file on their site on how to install it |
| 01:14.02 | beardy | lunitik: Perhaps you're right. If so: |
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| 01:14.03 | kill4killin | i had the same problem |
| 01:14.04 | lunitik | beardy: ahhh... well... tzconfig is the section of base-config dealing with time... |
| 01:14.09 | Marupa | ok... |
| 01:14.10 | Marupa | link? |
| 01:14.17 | Marupa | I'm VERY new to linux. |
| 01:14.26 | Marupa | this is my second day. |
| 01:14.28 | enouf | lunitik: what about 'sudo hwclock --show' - what does that show?, or do if anything to possibly help |
| 01:14.33 | kill4killin | just got to nvidia.com and go to driver downloads |
| 01:14.36 | beardy | kill4killin: Run tzconfig, and tell it that your rtc is kept in localtime, because windows will set it to localtime if and when you reboot. |
| 01:14.38 | lunitik | !tell Marupa about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 01:15.13 | kill4killin | America/New York |
| 01:15.27 | lunitik | enouf: Thu 10 Aug 2006 06:16:17 PM MST -0.497187 seconds ... not sure thats relivant? |
| 01:15.33 | beardy | kill4killin: Did it ask about what your rtc is kept in? |
| 01:15.50 | kill4killin | no |
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| 01:15.57 | kill4killin | it asked me if i wanted to change it, do i want ot |
| 01:15.59 | kill4killin | to* |
| 01:16.04 | beardy | kill4killin: Is base-config available to you? |
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| 01:16.22 | kill4killin | beardy, yes |
| 01:16.40 | Marupa | could someone help guide me through, cause that page isn't making much sense to me. |
| 01:16.43 | beardy | kill4killin: Run it. Just hit enter until it asks about your rtc. |
| 01:16.51 | lunitik | Marupa: see what dpkg told you |
| 01:16.52 | kill4killin | ok one sec |
| 01:17.14 | Marupa | yeah, I see it...it made no sense to me. |
| 01:17.18 | enouf | lunitik: looks fairly relevant to me :-) perhaps one can set/change the UTC to local using this command? - or does base-config utilize dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:17.43 | lunitik | enouf: base-config used tzconfig |
| 01:17.48 | beardy | It's not a matter of setting the time, just telling Debian what his rtc is kept in. |
| 01:18.05 | Sebo | Is there any way to tell apt (or dpkg or something ;P ) to look which pachages I've got at my OS or I just dont have to take care most of my packages heve just dissapeared from my '# dpkg -l' list?? |
| 01:18.18 | enouf | lunitik: I saw you say that earlier :-) |
| 01:18.28 | lunitik | enouf: then why ask again? |
| 01:18.34 | kill4killin | Marupa, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8762.html |
| 01:18.40 | Marupa | thank you |
| 01:18.50 | enouf | beardy - that's what I was thinking originally |
| 01:18.55 | lunitik | kill4killin: ugh |
| 01:19.00 | kill4killin | ? |
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| 01:19.05 | enouf | lunitik: I didn't ask the same question at all :-p |
| 01:19.14 | lunitik | kill4killin: I directed him at the Debian way... so you point him at a method that isn't supported |
| 01:19.21 | stoned | Marupa, i have the same card you do |
| 01:19.28 | beardy | kill4killin: So? Find it? |
| 01:19.31 | lunitik | Marupa: DO NOT do what kill4killin sadi! |
| 01:19.37 | kill4killin | i agree actually |
| 01:19.41 | lunitik | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 01:19.42 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 01:19.44 | kill4killin | but i didnt know he hadnt tried that way yet |
| 01:19.50 | stoned | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:19.51 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 01:19.55 | stoned | also |
| 01:20.00 | stoned | please... |
| 01:20.04 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 01:20.04 | dpkg | hmm... msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 01:20.05 | lunitik | Who called one liner? |
| 01:20.05 | Sebo | Where does dpkg stores the list of installed packages ;> ... I might restore it from last system backup :) |
| 01:20.07 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 01:20.08 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 01:20.16 | stoned | Thank you |
| 01:20.22 | lunitik | Why is the bot farting out a bunch of crap? |
| 01:20.34 | thingfish | hey stoned, how's things? |
| 01:20.34 | knowwho | hey, let's say i want to tar a dir, how can i do it? tar -c foo foo.tar ? |
| 01:20.43 | stoned | hey thinger man dude homie bro |
| 01:20.47 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:21.03 | stoned | great, I am getting drunk off cheap vodka and about to go get some doobage |
| 01:21.03 | Marupa | ....ok, you lost me x.x |
| 01:21.11 | thingfish | sweet |
| 01:21.12 | lunitik | ahhh... meh... debian one-liner isn't useful, don't direct people at that unless they've already done it... |
| 01:21.26 | stoned | Marupa, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 01:21.27 | beardy | knowwho: other way around 'tar -c foo.tar bar/' |
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| 01:21.39 | Sebo | knowwho: $ tar cvf foo.tar foo |
| 01:21.40 | beardy | kill4killin: Well? |
| 01:21.43 | lunitik | And Marupa apparently didn't pay attention to dpkg, because I already tried pointing him at that factoid that way |
| 01:22.21 | lunitik | Marupa: what IRC client? |
| 01:22.31 | Marupa | a different computer, windows. |
| 01:23.02 | lunitik | Marupa: so mIRC? I find it hard to believe it doesn't have tabs... I believe it puts them at the top... there should be a tab for "dpkg"... click it |
| 01:23.08 | knowwho | oh thanks |
| 01:23.10 | thingfish | oh lunitik so did I at first, but he's really an OK guy. |
| 01:23.42 | stoned | thingfish, he thinks his opinion matters to me |
| 01:23.48 | lunitik | thingfish: meh... he's too much like me when I first started using IRC... |
| 01:23.49 | Marupa | I know how to use mIRC, lunitik. I'm not retarded, I just don't know linux yet. |
| 01:24.13 | lunitik | Marupa: ok... then why aren't you paying attention to what dpkg msg'ed you? |
| 01:24.27 | Marupa | because I don't have a clue what was meant by any of it. |
| 01:24.40 | stoned | thingfish, plus he advertises publically who he ignores.. need I say more? |
| 01:24.43 | lunitik | thingfish: similar people to me tend to annoy the shit out of me :P |
| 01:24.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:25.00 | thingfish | I love this channel. |
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| 01:25.12 | beardy | thingfish: and it loves you |
| 01:25.16 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:26.13 | lunitik | Marupa: click the link it sent you... go to the 'non-free' section... and follow the instructions |
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| 01:27.13 | souljas | has anyone had luck with etch with a rt2500 card? is having issues, it it seen and tries to connect but doesnt |
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| 01:27.46 | souljas | tried taken all encryption of and everything |
| 01:27.53 | souljas | of/off |
| 01:28.16 | amphi | souljas: no; but that card/driver works fine on sarge, FWIW |
| 01:28.32 | souljas | networkmanager runs it but never connectsalso |
| 01:28.47 | Sebo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.23 | Orion78 | hi, I have a problem with ipw2200 device, I use sid (kernel version 2.6.17-1-686), the symptom is that every transfer hangs after few hundred bytes, so basically network is unusable, I do not know where to look first |
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| 01:31.14 | enouf | beardy : fwiw - after reviewing the man hwclock page a bit - it seems on can alter the settings that are bnecessary through that command directly (with/using the correct options ofcourse) , but what do I know :-( |
| 01:32.08 | Marupa | ok...best way to reconfigure a network card under command line, including dns servers? |
| 01:32.57 | Orion78 | does anyone here use ipw2200 + 2.6.17-1-686 ? |
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| 01:35.32 | stoned | I'm out |
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| 01:39.02 | Curtiembre | si tenes ganas entra a www.misecretito.com.ar, vas a poder ver las cosas mas increibles !!! |
| 01:39.09 | souljas | Marupa: man ifconfig and check /etc/bind/named.conf /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:39.18 | Marupa | thanks |
| 01:39.22 | beardy | enouf: No. You can't alter the setting in the file that tells the system that the clock is set in either UTC or localtime, with hwclock you can only set the time, and have hwclock treat it as localtiem or UTC, not what he should do. |
| 01:39.24 | jelly-home | !ops Curtiembre is a spammer |
| 01:39.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jelly-home complains about: Curtiembre is a spammer |
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| 01:39.51 | *** kick/#debian [Curtiembre!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-67-66-106-160.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 01:40.10 | peterS | I hope that really was spam, my Spanish isn't great :/ |
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| 01:40.29 | mentor | might want to ban as well. |
| 01:40.32 | amphi | it was ;) |
| 01:40.38 | jelly-home | me neither, but that host sounds like "my credit" ;-) |
| 01:40.45 | beardy | peterS: It was a link, and three !:s.. |
| 01:40.52 | peterS | beardy: good point |
| 01:40.55 | Sebo | OK, so I have to restore /var/lib/dpkg/avaliable file to get back the list of installed packages or is it better to restore whole /var/lib/dpkg dir ?? |
| 01:40.57 | enouf | beardy - I tried a dpkg-reconfigure base-config -- but mine's gone b/c I'm on etch, so I don't know if d-r is even possible with base-config on Sarge ... I notice tzconfig does little or nothing (set's the local time) |
| 01:40.59 | amphi | jelly-home: 'my little secret' |
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| 01:41.29 | amphi | to see the things most incredible ;) |
| 01:41.35 | beardy | enouf: base-config is the script, it's not handled by dpkg-reconfigure, where it is available |
| 01:42.06 | enouf | beardy : ok - thabnks - how to invoke it ? run it as root ? |
| 01:42.13 | enouf | thanks* |
| 01:42.49 | beardy | enouf: And I wish I knew where exactly this setting is stored.. so he could edit it manually, and you too if you wished.. but I don't at the moment.. |
| 01:42.50 | enouf | beardy : Sorry - I'm not on etch (<--why the heck did I write that :-( -- I'm on Sid |
| 01:43.16 | beardy | enouf: Even more not available there :) |
| 01:43.23 | beardy | (I guess) |
| 01:43.30 | enouf | beardy : precisely :-] |
| 01:44.09 | beardy | Perhaps these links tells how to do what base-config did, on etch and sid, I haven't read them.. |
| 01:44.15 | beardy | !base-config |
| 01:44.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, base-config is something to run to configure your base install and is obsolete in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status and see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 for manual setup instructions |
| 01:44.36 | beardy | sounds like it does |
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| 01:45.48 | beardy | nope.. not the thing I am talking about.. |
| 01:46.24 | Sebo | ...Anyone has had such stiupid situation ;( My OS have lost the list of instaled packages :( ...and I don't know how to get it back. |
| 01:47.34 | waiting | Sebo: use the backup ;) |
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| 01:48.00 | Sebo | But where is that list I need to restore :) |
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| 01:48.15 | lunitik | Only way I can think is removal of /var/lib/dpkg ? |
| 01:48.18 | beardy | !package database repair |
| 01:48.18 | dpkg | package database repair is, like, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 01:48.21 | Sebo | i.e. which files d I need |
| 01:48.22 | souljas | apt-show-versions |
| 01:48.29 | beardy | Sebo: ^^^have a look |
| 01:49.11 | enouf | beardy : whoa wait a sed :-) |
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| 01:49.28 | enouf | beardy : sec* |
| 01:49.30 | beardy | enouf: ... yes? |
| 01:49.53 | enouf | beardy : I'm revierwing the hwclock man pages and it seems by using this option "--hctosys |
| 01:49.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.13 | beardy | enouf: Yes, but it's not the issue. |
| 01:50.14 | enouf | beardy : One can set the system clock to the RTC |
| 01:50.21 | enouf | beardy : Oh ...?? |
| 01:50.30 | beardy | enouf: Yes, but that is not what his problem was about. |
| 01:50.54 | enouf | beardy : Ok -- my mistake -- back to the man pages and stuff I go ;-) |
| 01:50.55 | souljas | enouf: how about tzselect |
| 01:51.39 | enouf | beardy : I can let it go for now, no prob, especially now that the helpee is gone (or not around, whatever) |
| 01:51.55 | beardy | enouf: I'll have a look on it tomorrow. |
| 01:51.58 | enouf | souljas: I'll have to look at it :-) I don;t know |
| 01:52.18 | beardy | enouf: or later today, actually.. |
| 01:52.18 | enouf | beardy : thanks - goodnight |
| 01:52.24 | beardy | enouf: goodnight |
| 01:52.25 | enouf | :-) |
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| 01:55.12 | Emiml | hello |
| 01:56.04 | Emiml | I was reading debian policy manual |
| 01:56.17 | Ronin | uh huh |
| 01:56.35 | Emiml | I was trying to find. What programing languages are allowed for maitainer scripts |
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| 01:58.03 | Emiml | Is it allowed to use for example Java BeanShell ? |
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| 01:58.07 | Ick | hey guys |
| 01:58.19 | lunitik | Emiml: anything I think, just depend on the language if you're not sure users will have it... |
| 01:58.35 | lunitik | Emiml: it'll be hard to get java things into main :/ |
| 01:58.37 | Ick | for some reason, i just booted into a relatively new debian install after it had been working fine and now the maximum resolution is 640x480 |
| 01:58.59 | Emiml | lunitik: there are free java implementations in main. But that was just example |
| 01:59.07 | Emiml | the real problem is the gconf2 package |
| 01:59.22 | Ick | how can i change the resolution? i went to "configure desktop" and it gave me the choices "640x480" and lower |
| 01:59.26 | Emiml | in debian in depends on python, just because maitainer wrote some scirpt |
| 01:59.29 | lunitik | Ick: (perhaps silly question) you're using 'linux vga=792' (for example) at initial install prompt? |
| 01:59.35 | Sebo | beardy: Hmmm. But I've got whole system backup I've made few days ago So what I need to restore is /var/lib/dpkg ;] ...I'll try so :) and if it don't works I'll try this script :P |
| 01:59.49 | Ick | lunitik: no |
| 01:59.57 | lunitik | Ick: ahh... this is just for X? |
| 02:00.04 | Ick | i installed this a few days ago |
| 02:00.07 | Ick | it was working fine |
| 02:00.09 | Ick | lunitik: yeah |
| 02:00.25 | Ick | i had resolutions up to 1024x768 available |
| 02:00.29 | lunitik | !xxrc Ick |
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| 02:00.50 | lunitik | Ick: get rid of resolutions you don't want |
| 02:00.52 | lunitik | uhh |
| 02:01.01 | Ick | i am running at 640x480 |
| 02:01.03 | lunitik | !drxx Ick |
| 02:01.04 | dpkg | Ick: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:01.05 | enouf | stoned - man you do doobie spliff-ly |
| 02:01.07 | Emiml | In all other distros gconf2 doesn't depend on python |
| 02:01.22 | Ick | i already did drxx |
| 02:01.38 | lunitik | Ick: ok... did you remove resolutions smaller than you want? |
| 02:01.39 | Ick | it didn't give me the option to change it |
| 02:02.08 | lunitik | Ick: dpkg-reconfigure -plow ? |
| 02:02.33 | Ick | lunitik: i'll try it |
| 02:03.27 | peterS | lunitik: probably because -plow is the default for dpkg-reconfigure, so it's redundant |
| 02:03.28 | Ick | it doesn't say anything about resolution |
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| 02:03.37 | joeyjones | Kevin`: it took me ~12 hours to get linux i nstalled, but it's done |
| 02:03.49 | Ick | joeyjones: done installing |
| 02:03.57 | Ick | you'll be tinkering until you die |
| 02:04.10 | joeyjones | yep |
| 02:04.13 | lunitik | peterS: I think you've said that before... but I still am not sure... afaik, default is medium or high |
| 02:04.14 | amphi | l |
| 02:04.22 | joeyjones | i need to get mroe options for resolution |
| 02:04.27 | Kevin` | joeyjones why so long |
| 02:04.36 | joeyjones | any ideas how to with gnome? |
| 02:04.38 | peterS | lunitik: 'man dpkg-reconfigure' |
| 02:04.48 | joeyjones | Kevin`: ;lotsa fuckups and bad installs |
| 02:04.59 | joeyjones | like ubuntu ba dinstall twice |
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| 02:05.08 | Kevin` | joeyjones check the X config.. I think dpkg has something to do it for you |
| 02:05.12 | joeyjones | and etch cd didn't even boot |
| 02:05.15 | lunitik | peterS: I'm talking about real world use... here, after initial configuration, not as many questions are asked next time by default. |
| 02:05.31 | Kevin` | joeyjones what do you have installed |
| 02:05.34 | Kevin` | etch? |
| 02:05.35 | peterS | lunitik: and -plow makes a difference there? |
| 02:05.36 | joeyjones | no |
| 02:05.38 | joeyjones | sarge |
| 02:05.42 | joeyjones | with a kernel update |
| 02:05.42 | lunitik | peterS: yes |
| 02:05.50 | lunitik | peterS: else I wouldn't say that to others |
| 02:05.58 | peterS | lunitik: you should file a bug against dpkg-reconfigure since the manpage quite clearly states otherwise |
| 02:06.04 | joeyjones | took 2 hours top install from network... |
| 02:06.19 | stoned | peterS, howdy |
| 02:06.22 | peterS | stoned. |
| 02:06.26 | joeyjones | so could i use "dpkg-reconfigure x"? |
| 02:06.46 | peterS | joeyjones: why are you asking rather than trying it? |
| 02:06.51 | stoned | !drxx |
| 02:06.52 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:07.01 | Ick | http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8632/gaim2oh1.jpg |
| 02:07.02 | Jaykul | hey guys ... I've got a problem with harddrives .... I added a couple recently, and my old boot disc *should* be at hdb1, but to get it to work, I had to mount hda1 on / ... after boot, that drive *moves* to hdb1 (you can see what I mean here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AHO8yM50.html). Anyone have any idea how I could be mounting hda1 twice and getting a different drive the second time? |
| 02:07.04 | Ick | that is my problem |
| 02:07.16 | lunitik | peterS: says "normally" ... not "always"... and person stated it didn't ask him about resolution... |
| 02:07.26 | lunitik | peterS: I don't consider that a bug... |
| 02:07.51 | joeyjones | and man is 690x420 a horrid resolution!!! |
| 02:07.58 | peterS | lunitik: "normally" in this context means "if you don't specify -p". I thought that was obvious. |
| 02:08.04 | joeyjones | google doesn't fit on one page... |
| 02:08.09 | Ick | joeyjones: i know |
| 02:08.13 | Ick | did you see my screenshot? |
| 02:08.15 | Ick | http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8632/gaim2oh1.jpg |
| 02:08.19 | Ick | we might have the same problem |
| 02:08.31 | joeyjones | yep |
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| 02:08.37 | joeyjones | seems we need to reconfigure x |
| 02:08.41 | Ick | i did that |
| 02:08.43 | lunitik | peterS: explain then why Ick wasn't asked about resolution via drxx? If you feel thats a bug, then file it... |
| 02:08.46 | Kevin` | that's a very odd resolution |
| 02:08.52 | Ick | it doesn't give me any kind of uption |
| 02:09.03 | Ick | option* |
| 02:09.14 | peterS | lunitik: I have no idea why he wasn't asked. I don't remember dpkg-reconfigure behaving oddly for _me_. |
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| 02:09.39 | joeyjones | lol |
| 02:09.43 | joeyjones | also super gay!! |
| 02:09.53 | joeyjones | i'll jsut copy my windows resolution... |
| 02:10.01 | joeyjones | it's nic eand big |
| 02:10.04 | joeyjones | *nice and |
| 02:10.20 | Ick | sometimes, linux makes me feel like i'm on top of the world |
| 02:10.26 | lunitik | peterS: you've never had drxx or other packages just seem to stale at terminal, then return you to shell with no questions? then you must have manually set Low at some point... |
| 02:10.30 | Ick | it works flawlessly and quickly |
| 02:10.38 | peterS | I may have done |
| 02:10.47 | Ick | and right now, linux is a well-hung black male raping me in a prison shower |
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| 02:10.56 | Ick | at 640x480 |
| 02:10.58 | peterS | Ick: is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 02:11.09 | stoned | ugh |
| 02:11.12 | Ick | peterS: rape is never a good thing if you're on the receiving end |
| 02:11.12 | stoned | dude |
| 02:11.15 | peterS | Ick: it's not obvious from your statement whether this is the sort of thing you enjoy |
| 02:11.26 | lunitik | Ick: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... remove low resolutions... restart X |
| 02:11.33 | peterS | you did give the guy a compliment, after all |
| 02:11.36 | Ick | lunitik: thanks. |
| 02:11.38 | stoned | I enjoy getting raped by my wife |
| 02:11.40 | ice_1963 | who is good at setting up shorewall? |
| 02:12.01 | lunitik | Ick: this is what dpkg-reconfigure -plow should have let you do, amongst other things.... |
| 02:12.40 | dylan_ | Sometimes when I install programs or view a heavy web page, my sound gets very very choppy. How can I fix this? |
| 02:12.45 | Ick | lunitik: shoud is our key word |
| 02:12.45 | lunitik | ice_1963: you have a specific question... no one will say "Oooo me me me me me me me me, pick me!" |
| 02:12.49 | Ick | dylan_: buy a faster computer |
| 02:12.53 | Ick | or more ram |
| 02:12.58 | Ick | or free up memory |
| 02:13.04 | dylan_ | Ick, I have a gig of ram and a 3ghz processor |
| 02:13.12 | dylan_ | This does not happen on other distros |
| 02:13.21 | peterS | frankly I'd rather have a 1 GHz processor and 3 GB of RAM |
| 02:13.41 | peterS | it'd run quieter, cooler and quite possibly faster |
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| 02:13.49 | dylan_ | Well, that's too bad. |
| 02:13.54 | dylan_ | But why does Debian do this? |
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| 02:14.20 | lunitik | dylan_: then use other distro's? |
| 02:14.27 | souljas | dylan_: sounds to me like its an audio player |
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| 02:15.02 | dylan_ | souljas, ALSA? |
| 02:15.10 | stoned | peterS, I'll be able to get really cheap pc's now, what with my new job and all |
| 02:15.20 | lunitik | "but it works on something else" ... meh, then why aren't you using that? especially if something else is a linux distro :/ |
| 02:15.23 | Emiml | dylan_: or maybe you have choopy_sound on haavy disk-load, because udma is somehow turned off |
| 02:15.24 | souljas | dylan_: maybe |
| 02:15.37 | dylan_ | hmmm |
| 02:15.40 | dylan_ | right now, i'm using blag |
| 02:15.43 | dylan_ | on my crappy laptop |
| 02:15.45 | dylan_ | and i can do more |
| 02:15.46 | stoned | peterS, or parts rather |
| 02:15.49 | dylan_ | but its so weird |
| 02:15.53 | lunitik | !enter |
| 02:15.54 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 02:16.01 | jelly-home | what's blag? |
| 02:16.07 | dylan_ | Blag Linux and GNU |
| 02:16.25 | lunitik | dylan_: so this isn't even really Debian? |
| 02:16.31 | lunitik | dylan_: just a Debian deriv? |
| 02:16.40 | dylan_ | well, it uses apt |
| 02:16.43 | lontra | he he |
| 02:16.46 | dylan_ | buts its fedora based |
| 02:16.48 | dylan_ | hehe |
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| 02:16.49 | lunitik | !debian based |
| 02:16.51 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:16.51 | jelly-home | my RH9 uses apt too. |
| 02:16.51 | lontra | oh boy |
| 02:16.52 | mensakid | g |
| 02:16.54 | mensakid | e |
| 02:16.57 | mensakid | n |
| 02:16.59 | mensakid | t |
| 02:17.02 | mensakid | o |
| 02:17.03 | Kevin` | fedora based but uses apt, and you want help here? |
| 02:17.04 | lunitik | umm... wow... you want us to help you with a Fedora based distro? |
| 02:17.04 | mensakid | o |
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| 02:17.38 | dylan_ | lunitik, no -- i want help for my debian box |
| 02:17.43 | dylan_ | lunitik, its right *here |
| 02:17.43 | Emiml | hehee gentoo guy had really important news for us :-D |
| 02:18.01 | peterS | Emiml: what an amazingly sophisticated stunt. I wonder how he did that. |
| 02:18.04 | lunitik | dylan_: its _real_ Debian? |
| 02:18.08 | dylan_ | lunitik, yes. |
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| 02:18.20 | stoned | lunitik, could you kindly stop being a dick? |
| 02:18.20 | lunitik | peterS: he didn't even take the time to write a script about it... he |
| 02:18.22 | lunitik | heh* |
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| 02:18.40 | peterS | well, I was referring to his being able to spell 'gentoo' correctly on the first try |
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| 02:19.05 | zinx | peterS: he probably got a script from someone |
| 02:19.08 | Rez | lunitik: a long time ago. |
| 02:19.11 | peterS | rez is freenode staff, he doesn't need to be a #debian op |
| 02:19.13 | lunitik | peterS: haha... I'm pretty sure he forgot the last o right away... |
| 02:19.27 | Rez | peterS: actually, yeah, I do :) |
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| 02:19.46 | CHodapp | I have a 32-bit chroot... I can get X apps running as a normal user if I do DISPLAY=:0, but not as root... anyone know why? |
| 02:19.57 | peterS | lunitik: nah, that was a client rate limit to avoid being kicked for flooding. but it did look kind of funny. |
| 02:20.12 | peterS | !run stuff as root |
| 02:20.13 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
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| 02:21.05 | moj0rising | Hi. I have an easy question: Where can I find a list of official etch repositories? |
| 02:21.19 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 02:21.20 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 02:21.45 | Emiml | CHodapp: why do you have chroot'ed 32lib enviroment ? ia32-libs package is not enough ? |
| 02:21.59 | moj0rising | Rock! thanks! |
| 02:22.00 | peterS | or, to put it another way, google://debian+mirror&feeling_lucky=true |
| 02:22.31 | peterS | (yes, it's _that_ easy of a question) |
| 02:22.40 | moj0rising | ha |
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| 02:22.59 | peterS | don't know if browsers take that. it's really just my own notation |
| 02:23.08 | dbindner_ | As an alternative to export XAUTHORITY... I often 'su' and then do 'xauth merge ~dbindner/.Xauthority' |
| 02:23.36 | peterS | galeon default does a google search if your URL has at least one space in it |
| 02:23.42 | Emiml | dbindner_: or gksu |
| 02:23.50 | lunitik | (somewhat dumb, because everything after ':' is search term...) |
| 02:23.54 | peterS | so if I want to google for a single term I just type " foo" into the address bar |
| 02:24.35 | dbindner_ | Emiml: I have a 32bit chroot, because that's the best way to have Flash for my web browser, and to run Openoffice. Just today I discovered it is the best way to have mjpegtools installed as well. |
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| 02:26.53 | lunitik | peterS: ahh... thats kinda cool... konqi doesn't assume such things by default though... |
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| 02:27.19 | peterS | lunitik: obviously it's configurable, that's just the default. some sort of 'smart bookmark', they call it |
| 02:27.42 | waiting | an internet full of assumptions can only be properly matched by a webbrowser full of assumptions |
| 02:27.55 | peterS | (space-separated things that start with specific words trigger other configurable 'smart bookmarks') |
| 02:28.11 | taylor | Can normal users use synaptic through gnome's pull down applications menu, possibly by changing permissions? |
| 02:28.18 | lunitik | Does Firefox default to "Feeling lucky" searches? |
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| 02:28.26 | peterS | lunitik: quite possibly |
| 02:28.44 | peterS | I don't know firefox as I still haven't given up on galeon |
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| 02:29.03 | waiting | firefox is annoying. plugger is good tho |
| 02:29.04 | peterS | even their 1.2 -> 1.3 fun a couple years ago didn't manage to shake me off |
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| 02:29.39 | HTGN-css|Silent_ | how can I set up a directory to auto-assign pre-determined permissions to files written to it, no matter who wrote the files? |
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| 02:30.57 | grendal_prime | ok got this machine..im remoted into...it was runing an install via aptitude, and it got.."unpluged" now there are packages that i want to install on it, and apt downloads nothing and installs nothing...is there a way to resync apt with the pachages that are actually installed? |
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| 02:31.48 | lunitik | peterS: uhh... come again? |
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| 02:32.48 | c0rrupt | can you install a 64 bit os on vmware running on a 32 bit windows? |
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| 02:33.16 | Niriven | c0rrupt: i dont think so |
| 02:33.17 | waiting | c0rrupt: ask vmware, inc. |
| 02:33.18 | tc | hi, apt-get problem, someone can help me? http://channels.debian.net/paste/3399 please |
| 02:33.19 | foo | We have a VoIP talk at our local LUG right now ... /join #sgvlug ... the stream URL is in the topic. Free, open source. :) |
| 02:33.35 | grendal_prime | probably, if you can get the vm to emulate 64 bit hardware |
| 02:33.53 | waiting | foo: 8) |
| 02:34.02 | c0rrupt | maybe ill try and let u guys know |
| 02:34.06 | c0rrupt | :) |
| 02:34.08 | grendal_prime | anyone on the borked apt problem? |
| 02:34.28 | foo | waiting: :) |
| 02:34.38 | taylor | Can non-root users install packages? |
| 02:34.45 | c0rrupt | use sudo |
| 02:34.57 | Niriven | c0rrupt: It is only possible if theres some sorta emulation layer behind it for the cpu, and thats dependent upon wether or not vmware can do that, which i dont think it can, because its totally useless to even think about doing what you described. |
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| 02:35.14 | c0rrupt | Lol |
| 02:35.18 | c0rrupt | ok then Niriven |
| 02:35.21 | c0rrupt | thanks for the input |
| 02:37.07 | simonrvn | taylor: only if you're using sudo |
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| 02:37.34 | Wintermute | Hullo. I'm running debian etch on an Athlon XP 3200+ and have debian installed on hda and windows installed on hdb, the jumper settings are correct. I have tried to make a grub entry to get the machine to boot to windows via grub but have been unable to do so. The entry currently reads. title windows xp (next line) rootnoverify (hd1,0) (next line) savedefault (next line) makeactive (next line) chainloader +1. Could someone please |
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| 02:38.27 | taylor | Wintermute: I suggest googling for a sample configuration file. It's a common chore. |
| 02:38.47 | Wintermute | taylor: I have done that, I have tried almost every one I've seen, they don't work |
| 02:39.12 | Wintermute | Ive tried it with root, rootnoverify, with and without both safedefault and makeactive |
| 02:39.16 | Wintermute | it just doesnt do anything |
| 02:39.54 | taylor | Wintermute: Have you read a howto on configuring grub? |
| 02:40.22 | Wintermute | taylor: no I have not, is there one you reccommend? |
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| 02:43.23 | taylor | Wintermute: Did you install debian with the debian installer? |
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| 02:44.47 | Wintermute | taylor: I installed debian with the debian installer onto hda when hda was the only disc connected to the system. hda is also specified by the bios as the first boot device. I then attached hdb to the system which had a preexisting windows installation. |
| 02:45.49 | pourriture_ | Wintermute, did you read the installing debian with the debian installer onto hda when hda was the only disc connected to the system. hda is also specified by the bios as the first boot device. I then attached hdb to the system which had a preexisting windows installation HOW-TO? |
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| 02:46.10 | pourriture_ | sorry ... i wanted to give a useful answer too ... LOL |
| 02:46.31 | lunitik | Rez: any chance of kline'ing username "Javri" I can give you examples of why... but I'd rather not paste to another channel... |
| 02:46.59 | Wintermute | pourriture: lol ok...until I realized that was a joke I was confused as hell |
| 02:47.13 | Wintermute | "there's a how to for that?! good lord they've thought of everything!" |
| 02:47.18 | NetEcho | liable you arround? |
| 02:47.34 | Wintermute | "The OMFG my sister got run over and now the kernel panics HOW TO" |
| 02:48.01 | Rez | lunitik: not w/o a good reason. |
| 02:48.08 | tc | somebody help me with a apt-get problem?? please? http://channels.debian.net/paste/3399 |
| 02:48.16 | pourriture_ | Wintermute, you are getting the obfuscation answer ... if you install with the windows drive plugged in it will figure it out ... if you add a windows drive you have to do grub stuff by yourself |
| 02:48.17 | lunitik | Rez: can I message you to show why? |
| 02:48.22 | Rez | sure |
| 02:48.45 | pourriture_ | Wintermute, what that grub stuff is ... I don't know offhand ... and I am not afraid to admit it |
| 02:48.49 | Masqy | I guess it's a very basic scripting question, what does the '-f' at the end refers to: |
| 02:48.50 | Masqy | su "$USER" -c "$(printf "%q -f" "$DAEMON" )" |
| 02:49.04 | Wintermute | pourriture: I dont have a problem figuring it out, its just that everything I look for online that says "this works"...doesn't |
| 02:49.14 | Masqy | the -f is a parameter of the daemon, or of su? |
| 02:49.58 | lunitik | Rez: lots of things like I just messaged you... to #kde, with no replies etc... |
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| 02:50.06 | taylor | Wintermute: I'm wondering if etch can see hard drives added after installation. |
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| 02:50.32 | enouf | in* |
| 02:50.44 | Masqy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.55 | lunitik | enouf: I do... gg:some thing works too though |
| 02:51.47 | Wintermute | taylor: I can mount hdb1 with mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows/c and I can view the files just fine |
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| 02:52.08 | T_B_S | Hello All, can somebody help me? I reinstalled the mysql-server. However the /etc/init.d/mysql file was deleted. Soh i am getting a unknow initscript message. Which package shoul I reinstall for correct this mistake? Thanks in advance :) |
| 02:52.40 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.04 | Masqy | is the -f a general parameter for a daemon to run in the background? |
| 02:53.11 | lunitik | Rez: perhaps one complaint isn't enough to kline ... talking about sexually explicit things in random channels should be punished though... |
| 02:53.18 | NetEcho | anyone ever gotten a Intel ProSET wireless 3945ABG connection working in linux? |
| 02:53.33 | Rez | lunitik: typically by chanops |
| 02:53.37 | taylor | T_B_S: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 02:54.13 | pourriture_ | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=%2Fetc%2Finit.d%2Fmysql&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 02:54.59 | Wintermute | taylor: any idea as to what I should do? |
| 02:55.08 | T_B_S | taylor, tks, but i already reinstalled that mysql package |
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| 02:55.19 | taylor | Wintermute: You might be interested in #debian-boot on the OFTC network. |
| 02:55.35 | knowwho | hey, should i "PREMPT" or not? what's the diff? |
| 02:55.45 | Wintermute | the OFTC network? |
| 02:55.46 | pourriture_ | T_B_S, apt-get remove --purge !$ and reinstall |
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| 02:55.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.58 | taylor | T_B_S: Didn't installing the package replace the missing file? |
| 02:56.10 | pourriture_ | sorry ... !$ = whatever that package was |
| 02:56.25 | kill4killin | does anyone want to help me see if i cant get my wireless card working? |
| 02:56.31 | enouf | gotta go get more smokes - bbl ;-) |
| 02:56.32 | kill4killin | I think im close but not there quite yet |
| 02:56.57 | NetEcho | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3400 <-- this seems to be whats causing my wifi not to work |
| 02:57.02 | pourriture_ | kill4killin, sound like you can't get it working by yourself .... HEHEHEHE |
| 02:57.02 | taylor | Wintermute: OFTC = (The) Open and Free Technology Community |
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| 02:57.32 | pourriture_ | sorry ....... I have been on #slackware lately and I think being an asshole is cool |
| 02:57.36 | taylor | Wintermute: /server irc.oftc.net |
| 02:57.44 | taylor | Wintermute: /join #debian-boot |
| 02:57.53 | kill4killin | pourriture, i remember #slackware, i didnt like it much |
| 02:58.23 | kill4killin | pourriture, yes i cant get it for some reason, i have tried using the acx drivers, and followed the step by step for the setup, but it doesnt work for some strange reason |
| 02:58.30 | T_B_S | Taylor, surprisingly not.......... |
| 02:58.42 | taylor | Wintermute: What version of windows are you using? |
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| 02:58.55 | HTGN-css|Silent_ | how can I set up a directory to auto-assign pre-determined permissions to files written to it, no matter who wrote the files? |
| 02:58.59 | tc | somebody help me with a apt-get problem?? please? http://channels.debian.net/paste/3399 ~~~~~~~~~~ need your help please |
| 02:59.31 | Niriven | tc: apt-get update; apt-get install emacs21 |
| 02:59.55 | taylor | T_B_S: You can check what's in the package by doing "dpkg -L <package name> | less" |
| 03:00.12 | knowwho | hey, should i "PREMPT" or not? what's the diff? |
| 03:00.24 | Wintermute | taylor: thank you, trying that |
| 03:00.32 | Emiml | tc: how about using apt-file to search for this missing file |
| 03:00.39 | Emiml | tc: maybe install emacsen-common |
| 03:00.42 | knowwho | and is it normal to see errors like: |
| 03:00.43 | knowwho | kernel/intermodule.c:178: warning: `inter_module_register' is deprecated (declared at kernel/intermodule.c:38) |
| 03:00.46 | knowwho | when compiling? |
| 03:00.50 | taylor | T_B_S: Please note that the package listing web site that I referred you to requires you to specify which distribtion to search: stable, testing, unstable... |
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| 03:01.06 | tc | Niriven, doesnt work... |
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| 03:01.41 | Emiml | tc: how about apt-get install emacsen-common emacs21 |
| 03:01.46 | tc | Emiml, i think i have deleted all *emacs* files |
| 03:01.53 | taylor | Wintermute: What version of windows are you using? |
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| 03:02.18 | is_null | hello everybody, how to install zlib for php please ? phpinfo shows : Registered PHP Streams php, file, http, ftp, compress.bzip2, compress.zlib, https, ftps & Registered Stream Filters string.rot13, string.toupper, string.tolower, string.strip_tags, convert.*, consumed, convert.iconv.*, bzip2.*, zlib.*; but : Fatal error: Call to undefined function zip_open(). |
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| 03:02.38 | Emiml | tc: btw: emacs-snapshot-gtk is nice package |
| 03:02.40 | ryty | I'm having some difficulty with the fglrx module |
| 03:02.44 | ryty | and driver |
| 03:03.02 | ryty | I receive a "ERROR: version mismatch - 2D module [8.27.10] incompatible with OGL client module [8.26.18]." |
| 03:03.09 | ryty | when trying to run fgl_glxgears |
| 03:03.11 | ryty | any ideas? |
| 03:03.11 | Masqy | is a '-f' the standard parameter for a daemon to detach itself and run in the background? |
| 03:03.34 | grendal_prime | grrrr...apt is fkd |
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| 03:03.41 | grendal_prime | what do you do wht apt is fkd |
| 03:03.43 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:03.51 | grendal_prime | !broke apt |
| 03:03.52 | Niriven | wait |
| 03:03.53 | ryty | grendal_prime: knoppix |
| 03:04.00 | grendal_prime | funny |
| 03:04.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell grendal_prime -about bat |
| 03:04.06 | is_null | grendal_prime: dpkg it ? compile it with sources ? |
| 03:04.10 | tc | Emiml, oh??? there is not this package in the deb ftp.debian.org |
| 03:04.16 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: follow those instructions and give us the information requested |
| 03:04.22 | ryty | grendal_prime: dpkg -X apt.....deb |
| 03:04.38 | tc | Emiml, doesnt work.. |
| 03:05.14 | jbwiv | guys, if I want to change an option to an iptables module (i.e., set an option on load during boot to the ip_conntrack module), where would I put this? |
| 03:05.16 | knowwho | hey, should i "PREMPT" or not? what's the diff? |
| 03:05.20 | is_null | really, nobody had issues with zip_open ? |
| 03:05.30 | Emiml | tc: you mean that this http://packages.debian.org/emacs-snapshot-gtk doesn't exists ? |
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| 03:06.32 | ryty | Knight_Lord: yes. |
| 03:06.41 | ryty | knowwho: sorry Knight_Lord, yes |
| 03:06.46 | jbwiv | or if anyone could point me to details on how Debian handles module loading during boot...even better ;-) |
| 03:07.20 | ryty | jbwiv: it's more of the kernel that does that |
| 03:07.21 | terminal|giga | jbwiv, perhaps you could google debian module loading at boot |
| 03:07.22 | lunitik | jbwiv: /etc/modprobe.d discover/udev and /etc/modules |
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| 03:07.51 | ryty | atleast, if you have auto module loading enabled |
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| 03:08.08 | tc | Emiml, i mean i can not apt-get install this package, there is not this package inside the repository ftp.debian.org |
| 03:08.13 | jbwiv | terminal|giga: I have for the past hour...it looks as if it's changed recently |
| 03:08.19 | jbwiv | most docs I find are on update-modules |
| 03:08.20 | terminal|giga | oh |
| 03:09.22 | knowwho | ryty: do i have to? |
| 03:09.44 | tc | Emiml, i found it, it's unstable |
| 03:09.47 | knowwho | !preempt |
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| 03:10.29 | jbwiv | lunitik: so, it appears /etc/modules specifies *what* modules to load at boot. iptables isn't in mine, although it's loaded, so I assume it's handled differnetly? |
| 03:11.03 | lunitik | jbwiv: /etc/modules is for loading modules that other mechanisms don't pick up successfully... |
| 03:11.25 | lunitik | jbwiv: should be unnecessary to put iptables in there... |
| 03:12.03 | jbwiv | lunitik: I'm just looking to add something similar to "options ip_conntrack ip_conntrack_enable_ve0=1" but unsure what file to put it in |
| 03:12.33 | jbwiv | a looooong time ago on red hat I believe it went into /etc/modules.conf, but apparently this is a generated file on Debian |
| 03:12.34 | lunitik | jbwiv: browse around /etc/modprobe.d ... can set module parameters there... |
| 03:13.20 | ryty | knowwho: no, you don't |
| 03:13.23 | jbwiv | luniktik: on Sarge, all I see are aliases in all those files. |
| 03:13.42 | ryty | knowwho: if you do, it'll majorly improve your performance, though |
| 03:13.48 | jbwiv | lunitik: but I've read that these files are concatenated, so do you presume that I could create my own file, but the above command in |
| 03:13.52 | knowwho | i see |
| 03:13.56 | jbwiv | lunitik: and it would work? |
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| 03:14.27 | knowwho | ryty: how much does it take to compile this thing, i know it depends, my system is 800Mhz 192MB ram |
| 03:14.32 | knowwho | time* |
| 03:14.57 | knowwho | its been 15 minutes now |
| 03:15.01 | jbwiv | lunitik: what's confusing is that /etc/modules.conf says to look at /etc/modutils directory...files there seem very simlar to those in modprobe.d directory... |
| 03:15.04 | lunitik | jbwiv: *should* work, yes... |
| 03:15.09 | EdLin | knowwho: it couldn't take longer than compiling kernel 0.95 on a 386sx-16 with 4 megs RAM |
| 03:15.15 | ryty | knowwho: probably about 20-25 minutes |
| 03:15.28 | knowwho | im just saying |
| 03:15.33 | lunitik | jbwiv: those are old mechanisms I'm not familiar with anymore... sorry |
| 03:15.51 | grendal_prime | none of this is working |
| 03:15.52 | grendal_prime | shit |
| 03:15.59 | jbwiv | lunitik: no problem I appreciate your input ;-) |
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| 03:16.34 | grendal_prime | another werid thing, i log into that machine and, well it puts me into /home ?? not the users dir, |
| 03:17.01 | grendal_prime | i think he just fucked it up bad..is there anyway to do a reinstall of the entire...ooo base config should do it right? |
| 03:17.33 | lunitik | jbwiv: modules.conf is obsolete though, so you probably don't want to look into things that concern that... fwiw |
| 03:17.47 | jbwiv | another question...I heard the *official* Debian irc channel is now on another (noo-freenode) server. Anyone know what it is? |
| 03:17.58 | jbwiv | lunitik: ok...modprobe.d it is. Thanks! |
| 03:18.13 | lunitik | !oftc move |
| 03:18.14 | dpkg | oftc move is probably irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 03:18.18 | [AGS]Serialkille | hi all |
| 03:18.58 | jbwiv | lunitik: thx |
| 03:19.28 | [AGS]Serialkille | i want to search a folder recursivly for file with a txt ending, but the problem i have when i do a ls -R /home/foo | grep txt give directorys with txt in the name , any ideas? |
| 03:19.34 | grendal_prime | whats the command to reconfigure base installation again? |
| 03:19.46 | grendal_prime | dpkg-reconfigure reconfigure-base? |
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| 03:20.00 | huhlig | hello |
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| 03:20.03 | lunitik | grendal_prime: sarge? dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 03:20.22 | huhlig | anyone know why XFree86 would take 2 min to start |
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| 03:21.34 | [AGS]Serialkille | huhlig : check the logs maybe? |
| 03:21.52 | [AGS]Serialkille | might be hanging on somethng |
| 03:21.52 | huhlig | I did |
| 03:22.12 | lunitik | jbwiv: by the way... /etc/modules can have module options in it... I don't see files in /etc/modprobe.d that would take options actually |
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| 03:22.36 | huhlig | All I did was swap monitors |
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| 03:23.22 | grendal_prime | i think what he did was start a dist upgrade and yanked the plug halfway through |
| 03:23.36 | [AGS]Serialkille | make sure all the sync are set correctly, the new monitor might operate diffrently |
| 03:23.45 | huhlig | [AGS]Serialkille, I did |
| 03:23.50 | huhlig | wrote it a whole new modeline |
| 03:24.05 | [AGS]Serialkille | huhlig : well those are my best guesses, sorry bud |
| 03:24.15 | huhlig | heh |
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| 03:25.01 | jbwiv | [5~ept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-242-201-10.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] haept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-242-201-10.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] ha |
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| 03:25.27 | jbwiv | damn it...sorry :( |
| 03:26.20 | huhlig | is there a way to prevent an nvidia card from probing? |
| 03:26.33 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: blacklist it with udev? |
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| 03:26.47 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, hi hi. |
| 03:26.58 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, on XFree startup |
| 03:27.15 | huhlig | I swapped from an HP CRT to a Olevia/Syntax 20" LCD |
| 03:27.19 | huhlig | its having a cow |
| 03:27.27 | huhlig | I know it works, it just isnt working well |
| 03:27.29 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: ah; no idea |
| 03:27.31 | kill4killin | can someone please help me figure out this wifi mess that has become my linux and wireless networking |
| 03:27.32 | huhlig | (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x0000c180, 0x00005ac4, 0) |
| 03:27.34 | huhlig | getting those |
| 03:27.44 | flurdoing | good evening all... i'm trying to understand if enabling syncookies will improve network security by reducing the possibility of connection hijacking by guessing sequence numbers or better prevent dos like syn floods. i've been reading up on syncookies but i cant quite wrap my head around it. can anyone give me the low down? |
| 03:27.48 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, Who all are we expecting to work for the booth |
| 03:27.54 | huhlig | so I can send off badge requests |
| 03:28.05 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: there are some people listed on the wiki; we should ping them and get badges for them |
| 03:28.11 | huhlig | ok |
| 03:28.25 | knowwho | is ext3 for *nix only? |
| 03:28.27 | huhlig | sorry for disapearing |
| 03:28.30 | dondelelcaro | we may need 1-2 more people, but I don't know much about it |
| 03:28.32 | huhlig | knowwho, yes |
| 03:28.35 | dondelelcaro | no worries; things are moving along |
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| 03:28.43 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, Im bringing someone to help out as well |
| 03:28.54 | jetscreamer | there are ext drivers for win32 but you mostly need to pay for them |
| 03:28.56 | huhlig | the two of us are still looking for couch space though |
| 03:29.03 | huhlig | jetscreamer, native ones? |
| 03:29.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:29.08 | huhlig | I missed those |
| 03:29.12 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: I've got a mirror with amd64+i386+ppc and the bts here; with a crapload of dvd images... |
| 03:29.16 | pourriture_ | knowwho, http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 03:29.19 | jetscreamer | 3rd party |
| 03:29.25 | jetscreamer | iirc, never used em though |
| 03:29.30 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, Ive got 2 Rack Servers I can bring along |
| 03:29.32 | huhlig | one fully works |
| 03:29.33 | jetscreamer | just explore2fs |
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| 03:29.41 | jetscreamer | not an fs driver |
| 03:29.43 | huhlig | the other has a glitch I need someone besides me to look at |
| 03:29.54 | huhlig | it wont start up regularly |
| 03:30.02 | huhlig | Its an intel though so no suprise |
| 03:30.35 | kill4killin | can someone point me to the linux acx drivers again? |
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| 03:30.52 | huhlig | ok, X is now locking the system |
| 03:30.52 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: cool; I should have a machine with 3 burners in it too so we can burn DVDs and/or CDs thorughout the conference |
| 03:31.37 | huhlig | Coo |
| 03:31.42 | pourriture_ | dondelelcaro, no lightscribe in linux :( |
| 03:31.44 | huhlig | I can do so if you cant |
| 03:31.46 | flurdoing | why doesnt debian enable syncookies by default? i havent found any good reason to not use them? |
| 03:31.54 | huhlig | pourriture_, lightscribe isnt worth the time |
| 03:32.07 | huhlig | its a cool trick, but 30 min to scribe one CD |
| 03:32.10 | huhlig | give me a break |
| 03:32.51 | pourriture_ | huhlig, we have a dedicated lightscibe box at work .... labeling blank cds to put presentations on |
| 03:33.12 | pourriture_ | huhlig, it is a PITA but it looks cool |
| 03:33.15 | huhlig | pourriture_, ok, 30 min per CD + 10 min for burning is still to much |
| 03:33.30 | dondelelcaro | oh, it's like disc tatoos but flipped around... |
| 03:33.33 | dbindner_ | [AGS]Serialkille: how about 'find . -name \*.txt' |
| 03:33.34 | dondelelcaro | yeay. |
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| 03:33.48 | pourriture_ | the receptionist labels cds all day long and we burn what we want to them later |
| 03:34.06 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, actually the new HP Tattoo's are cooler |
| 03:34.21 | huhlig | let me rephrase that, they are far faster and in color |
| 03:34.30 | huhlig | not quite as geeky though |
| 03:34.59 | dondelelcaro | s/die/dye/ |
| 03:35.11 | huhlig | is that the actual printed ones you can get "stamped"? |
| 03:35.19 | huhlig | they use dyesub printers? |
| 03:35.24 | pourriture_ | right ... we get about 12 cds a day labeled with light scribe and then we burn data to them as needed ... so we always have a stack ready to go |
| 03:35.36 | dondelelcaro | no, the stamped ones use silk screens typically |
| 03:35.46 | grendal_prime | tatoos? aint those for like 16 year old kids? |
| 03:35.51 | huhlig | ahh |
| 03:36.06 | dondelelcaro | dye sublimation is the way that you do shorter runs |
| 03:36.21 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, how much is a 150 CD print run? |
| 03:36.33 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: about $1.50/per |
| 03:36.38 | dondelelcaro | anyway, I'll just be using good old adhesive labels with color laser printing on it |
| 03:36.49 | huhlig | grendal_prime, not this kind, New HP Tattoo's are ink jet labels where the printer prints to a Gloss Label on the Adheisive side. you then stick it to the CD |
| 03:36.53 | huhlig | works beautifully |
| 03:37.00 | huhlig | albeit a little expensive |
| 03:37.06 | grendal_prime | cool |
| 03:37.07 | kill4killin | does anyone know why when i compiled and installed the acx100 drivers and then ran insmod it didnt work? |
| 03:37.17 | kill4killin | or can someone help me figure out why it wont work |
| 03:37.19 | dbindner_ | I'd use lightscribe from time to time, even if it was slow. |
| 03:37.22 | pourriture_ | the thing about lightscribe being said ... I mostly use a sharpie for internal stuff :) |
| 03:37.26 | grendal_prime | can you stick them around...ahum...."other things" ? |
| 03:37.29 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, mind helping out with the XFree problem |
| 03:37.37 | huhlig | its now freezing on the Nvidia logo |
| 03:37.43 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: heh. use the nv drivers. |
| 03:37.50 | huhlig | hmm |
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| 03:37.58 | kill4killin | huhlig, what kernel are you running? |
| 03:38.24 | huhlig | kill4killin, Linux MythMaster 2.6.13.2-chw-3 #1 SMP Wed Sep 21 08:15:54 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:38.32 | pourriture_ | huhlig, no tuxracer if you use the nv driver ... and tuxracer is the P1mP |
| 03:38.37 | kill4killin | ok not what i thought then |
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| 03:38.41 | dbindner_ | Last nvidia card I used, I had to run the vesa driver. |
| 03:38.44 | huhlig | It works just find on the old CRT monitor |
| 03:38.50 | huhlig | its this blasted LCD |
| 03:38.58 | huhlig | I moved from a 17 inch CRT |
| 03:39.04 | huhlig | to a Wall mounted 20" LCD |
| 03:39.10 | huhlig | its on my DVR |
| 03:39.10 | kill4killin | its possible that the monitor isnt setup correctly |
| 03:39.17 | dondelelcaro | LEUKOCYTE... I am your Father... |
| 03:39.18 | huhlig | kill4killin, I figured that out |
| 03:39.26 | huhlig | Im trying to figure out how to fix it |
| 03:39.30 | kill4killin | ooo |
| 03:39.32 | dbindner_ | Or, it works with the analog out, but not the digital? |
| 03:39.45 | huhlig | Im using standard VGA out |
| 03:39.48 | kill4killin | isnt it like dpkg something.... |
| 03:39.58 | kill4killin | i cant remember the exact command |
| 03:40.05 | huhlig | dpkg-reconfigure xfree86? |
| 03:40.06 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: is it going beyond the referesh rate of the lcd display? |
| 03:40.10 | kill4killin | yea thats it |
| 03:40.17 | pourriture_ | anyone here using the athlon64 port of sarge? |
| 03:40.29 | dondelelcaro | pourriture_: you mean amd64? |
| 03:40.33 | jetscreamer | xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:40.36 | kill4killin | pourriture, now i stuck to the 386 |
| 03:40.36 | mike_zhang | Who know how to set a build daemon |
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| 03:40.39 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, it loads up, shows the nVIDIA splash screen and stops |
| 03:40.39 | dbindner_ | I use the amd64 port. |
| 03:40.44 | dylan_ | How stable is KDE in Sarge? |
| 03:40.54 | dondelelcaro | mike_zhang: what type of build daemon? |
| 03:40.54 | lekvaar | has anyone had trouble getting a 1680x1050 lcd working well under xorg? |
| 03:41.03 | kill4killin | dylan, i have been using it for 24 hours now with no problems |
| 03:41.16 | huhlig | dylan_, never had any problems |
| 03:41.17 | EdLin | huhlig: I had the same problem with recent nvidia drivers and my old TNT2 card, if you're running an older card the latest nvidia drivers haven't supported them. |
| 03:41.23 | Masqy | Which laptops are considered fairly easy to configure with debian? |
| 03:41.29 | dbindner_ | I'd try the vesa driver. That was the only thing I could get to work with my nvidia PCI-Express card. |
| 03:41.29 | huhlig | EdLin, nforce2 mobo |
| 03:41.37 | huhlig | 2500+ AMD era |
| 03:41.43 | kill4killin | Masqy, depends on the individual hardware components |
| 03:41.49 | SJr|nx | Okay no one in Fedora seems to know this, what is generally required to compile a kernel? |
| 03:41.58 | dylan_ | huhlig, im having problems with choppy sound during intensive processor moments. i have the newest 2.6 kernel installed. what should i do? i do not have alsa-base installed |
| 03:41.58 | mike_zhang | under ubuntu |
| 03:41.59 | SJr|nx | My kernel compile dies fairly quickly |
| 03:42.01 | huhlig | and it works fine in windows |
| 03:42.26 | EdLin | huhlig: even some older or lower-end GEforce cards don't work anymore. I'm not familiar with nforce other than that it used to be one of the least Linux-compatable motherboard chipsets |
| 03:42.31 | huhlig | dylan_, that sounds like you have a crappy soft audio card |
| 03:42.37 | dylan_ | hmmm |
| 03:42.38 | dylan_ | ok |
| 03:42.39 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, I am usming amd64 as well ... I can get past the whole no openoffice (without chroot) and no mplayer win32codecs thing ... but what is up with dvd::rip nnot working???? |
| 03:42.51 | dondelelcaro | mike_zhang: uh... what distribution you want to run it under doesn't answer the question (and this isn't #ubuntu).. |
| 03:42.55 | huhlig | increase the importance of the sound proggie |
| 03:43.13 | huhlig | EdLin, Again, the card works with the CRT monitor |
| 03:43.21 | dbindner_ | pourriture_: I don't know. Just today I installed all of the video tools I use in my ia32 chroot. |
| 03:43.38 | EdLin | huhlig: yes, everything works if you use nv or vesa. Your point? |
| 03:43.40 | nono31_ | samba is broken on sid? |
| 03:43.45 | huhlig | no |
| 03:43.46 | kill4killin | what is the latest sarge kernel available that is stable? |
| 03:43.59 | huhlig | EdLin, no... Everything works using the nvidia driver |
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| 03:44.02 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | Visit the Debian Booth at LWCE SF | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 03:44.09 | dbindner_ | huhlig: Have you tried editing xorg.conf and choosing modest HorizSync and VertRefresh ranges? |
| 03:44.19 | dondelelcaro | diff: add Debian booth at LWCESF, delete fudo. |
| 03:44.29 | Masqy | kill4killin: I'm thinking of buying a laptop/desktop, any special big Nos I should be aware of before I buy? |
| 03:44.31 | huhlig | dbindner_, pre xorg.conf |
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| 03:44.52 | dbindner_ | XFree86Config-4 then? |
| 03:45.08 | dbindner_ | I mean XF86Config-4 |
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| 03:45.29 | huhlig | yes |
| 03:45.34 | kill4killin | Masqy, im in the same position you are in and have been doing some research and as far as i can tell, most laptops have hardware that works well with debian, the only thing you have to watch out for are those internal wireless cards, the intel Pro wireless has been well reported from what i see though |
| 03:45.36 | huhlig | and yes I did |
| 03:45.45 | mike_zhang | dondelelcaro, oh dapper |
| 03:45.45 | mike_zhang | i think buildd will run wanna-build but i don't know how to fix it |
| 03:45.53 | dbindner_ | pourriture_: Have you had trouble with cdrecord on your amd64 system? I can read CDs with by drive, but I get 'lost interrupts' and the like when I go to record anything. |
| 03:45.53 | huhlig | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.53 | huhlig | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.58 | huhlig | set to the specs in the manual |
| 03:46.22 | dbindner_ | Well, those settings are modest. |
| 03:46.29 | Masqy | kill4killin: intel Pro wireless reported for troubles? |
| 03:46.37 | huhlig | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.50 | dondelelcaro | mike_zhang: yes, indeed; buildd, wanna-build, and sbuild are all part of the setup. Regardless, please don't /msg me. |
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| 03:47.14 | kill4killin | Masqy, no intel Pro wireless has had very positive results when used with linux, it uses a good chipset for linux aparently |
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| 03:47.41 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, I have only burned isos with my amd64 box ... and all has been fine |
| 03:48.06 | Masqy | oh, ok, so I guess I should consider one of those, I really don't want to spend alot of time fighting with hardware. |
| 03:48.15 | dbindner_ | That's what I've burned. I did some Googling and found others reporting the same thing I did, but I didn't know if it was a widespread thing. |
| 03:48.47 | kill4killin | Masqy, generally from what i hear there is good compatability with almost all hardware common on laptops these days |
| 03:48.52 | kill4killin | ok, im out for a while, bye |
| 03:49.16 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, I will burn a ultimatebootcd now and find out :) |
| 03:49.25 | huhlig | hmm |
| 03:49.33 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, I meant to do that tonight anyway |
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| 03:50.00 | dbindner_ | huhlig: Trim the top number from each range by one? I have sometimes seen a monitor finicky right at the boundary. |
| 03:50.10 | huhlig | hmm |
| 03:50.11 | huhlig | ok |
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| 03:50.51 | huhlig | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-0 |
| 03:50.51 | huhlig | ? |
| 03:51.36 | dbindner_ | I have no idea on that. |
| 03:51.45 | dbindner_ | I hate video problems. |
| 03:52.07 | holycow | does anyone know if there is an xotcl package out there for sarge? |
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| 03:52.46 | pstickne | excellent. only like 5000MB of downloads (and re-downloads for updates) to get KDE working. |
| 03:52.59 | dondelelcaro | mike_zhang: most of the documentation is within the source code itself; those packages are really set up to be used by Debian (and those derivatives who have their own build queues); sbuild has the most end user documentation, but it's not much of a build daemon. |
| 03:53.16 | dondelelcaro | mike_zhang: you may have better luck if you ask specific questions on #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:53.28 | dondelelcaro | (but generic questions won't get much of a response) |
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| 03:53.48 | Masqy | j #hardware |
| 03:56.07 | huhlig | ok |
| 03:56.15 | huhlig | note. nv driver does not work AT ALL |
| 03:57.43 | dbindner_ | huhlig: That was my recent experience too. Very disappointing really, because the reason I spent on the nVidia card was the supposed quality of the open sounce drivers. |
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| 03:58.16 | dbindner_ | I am very disallusioned about video card companies lately. |
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| 03:59.19 | huhlig | well with AMD now owning ATI, I think life will get better |
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| 04:00.51 | northstar | it is possible to install windows xp on a drive that has linux already, w/o destroying linux? |
| 04:01.07 | huhlig | yes |
| 04:01.08 | holycow | yes, but it will destroy the bootloader |
| 04:01.10 | huhlig | very carefully |
| 04:01.18 | huhlig | and you have to put the grubs back on |
| 04:01.22 | holycow | you will need to reinstall the bootloader afterwards and tell it about both linux and windows |
| 04:01.31 | northstar | i c |
| 04:01.39 | huhlig | I see |
| 04:01.45 | pstickne | update-grub is pretty smart; it won't pick up on the windows partition post-install? |
| 04:01.45 | huhlig | C != see |
| 04:01.57 | pstickne | Maybe in this case, I C: ;) |
| 04:02.06 | huhlig | pstickne, that would be a new utility to me |
| 04:02.18 | northstar | windows will kill grub, and then block me off from linux |
| 04:02.26 | jetscreamer | dd the mbr furst |
| 04:02.30 | northstar | how can i boot into linux |
| 04:02.37 | pstickne | northstar, via CD :) |
| 04:02.37 | jetscreamer | and/or get a grub-floppy |
| 04:02.41 | northstar | blah |
| 04:02.44 | jetscreamer | grub-floppies rock |
| 04:02.50 | northstar | oh floppy |
| 04:02.51 | northstar | ty |
| 04:03.08 | pstickne | can you use the debian install/net CD to specify options? (eg: root?) |
| 04:03.12 | odla | floppies rock? |
| 04:03.24 | pagey | huh whats a floppy |
| 04:03.26 | pstickne | I am so glad floppies are almost completely dead. |
| 04:03.31 | huhlig | get a Grubkeychain! |
| 04:04.10 | pagey | odla: lol |
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| 04:04.23 | northstar | can i build the chainload off the floppy? |
| 04:04.40 | odla | maybe like a belly flop |
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| 04:05.15 | northstar | the only problem is finding a floppy now.... |
| 04:05.31 | pagey | usb |
| 04:05.41 | pstickne | cute. /media/cdrom/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu... etc |
| 04:05.47 | pstickne | recursive symlinks. whoo. |
| 04:05.47 | pagey | I boot from usb ,,all good |
| 04:05.54 | pagey | ye ha |
| 04:05.59 | northstar | pagey u have a how-to? |
| 04:06.01 | pstickne | USB booting is a realtively new feature though. |
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| 04:06.30 | pstickne | If your motherboard/bios doesn't support USB booting it won't work. Ever. |
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| 04:07.02 | pagey | northstar: plug it in go into your bios,if it is not in there may need a bios upgrade/flash |
| 04:07.25 | pagey | If olod pc ,,uummm |
| 04:07.31 | pagey | ^old |
| 04:07.34 | northstar | nah its pretty new |
| 04:07.42 | northstar | asus p4p800 ? ? |
| 04:07.53 | pstickne | I am pretty sure you can use the deb install CD. |
| 04:08.08 | pstickne | And then you won't even have to worry about grub-on-another-device. |
| 04:08.08 | pagey | lol I know that mainboard |
| 04:08.19 | northstar | :o) |
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| 04:09.01 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, yep ... ultimatebootcd burnt fine ... and works |
| 04:09.02 | waiting | is there already BIOSses that can be flashed from GNU/linux? |
| 04:09.02 | pagey | northstar: I think it will boot up to 256mb usb without a flash |
| 04:09.28 | jonas23 | does anyone know any very low level cdrom utilities that I could use to diagnose possible hardware problems? |
| 04:09.39 | pagey | waiting: not to my knowledge,My 3 are deul boot |
| 04:09.49 | northstar | i am gunna go with the floppy and a deb cd |
| 04:09.56 | jonas23 | i have used setcd and hdparm to get some information from the cdrom drive, but i'm looking for something that can do something a little more low-level |
| 04:10.03 | dbindner_ | pourriture_: Well, I'll be watching the new kernels for fixes I guess. I suspect it is only some models of burner that give trouble. I may boot with an i386 live CD and see if I don't just have a bad drive. |
| 04:10.20 | jonas23 | maybe a firmware level reset or something... i'm not really sure what is available :) |
| 04:10.37 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, what kernel are you using? |
| 04:11.10 | dbindner_ | 2.6.16.20 SMP, custom-built. |
| 04:11.11 | pourriture_ | altbier:~# uname -a |
| 04:11.11 | pourriture_ | Linux altbier 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 #1 Mon Jul 17 01:39:03 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:11.20 | dbindner_ | x86_64 of course. |
| 04:12.04 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 04:12.05 | dpkg | Yes, jetscreamer, you're still online. |
| 04:12.08 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, are you using an X2 or opterons? |
| 04:12.25 | dbindner_ | I think I had the same trouble at 2.6.8; I'm using athlon64. |
| 04:12.49 | huhlig | grr |
| 04:12.53 | dbindner_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:13.04 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, you are using smp ... is it dual core or dual physical? |
| 04:13.12 | pourriture_ | gotcah |
| 04:13.13 | dbindner_ | dual core. |
| 04:13.46 | huhlig | ok, It is working but it takes forever to load |
| 04:13.56 | huhlig | it should start within like 10sec |
| 04:14.23 | dbindner_ | pourriture_: Hardest install I ever had. I didn't order and PATA drives and there were no good drivers for my SATA yet on anyone's installer CDs. |
| 04:14.30 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, mine is and old 768(or whatever... I forget the pga) single core .... |
| 04:14.33 | huhlig | hmm |
| 04:15.42 | CompWizrd | i got to do an amd64 install onto a 3ware 9550SX-16ML, had to find a custom kernel to get that going |
| 04:15.56 | CompWizrd | oh, and on a 4 TB array too |
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| 04:16.48 | [AGS]Serialkille | i want to search a folder recursivly for file with a txt ending, but the problem i have when i do a ls -R /home/foo | grep txt give directorys with txt in the name , any ideas? |
| 04:16.48 | Marupa | hiya, now that it works all perfectly except my tablet...all I need is my tablet working. |
| 04:16.56 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, slackware has always been good to me for new and old and odd boot drive support ... I almost feel guilty I use slack as a test to find out what drivers I need for my debian installs if things go bad :) |
| 04:17.03 | dbindner_ | pourriture_: I finally found an Ubuntu CD that would see my drives and used it to drop a Debian base system I tarred from another computer. |
| 04:17.05 | Marupa | any ideas on how to get it to use my tablet as an input device? it finds it. |
| 04:17.09 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 04:17.10 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 04:17.37 | dbindner_ | I got so frustrated I installed Ubuntu, but it didn't work because of bugs in hotplug, so I found a way to finagle Debian back on. |
| 04:17.44 | pourriture_ | dbindner_, same theory :) |
| 04:18.26 | northstar | thanks guys~ |
| 04:18.31 | dbindner_ | I should go to bed. |
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| 04:19.21 | pourriture_ | ok ... enough fun for tonight ... I am going to go attempt and fail to interest the wife in sex ... following which I will cry myself to sleep ... again |
| 04:19.34 | pourriture_ | it was good chat though |
| 04:20.36 | huhlig | hmm |
| 04:21.27 | tenzing_ | the reportbug applications askes this "Is the bug you found listed above [y|N|m|r|q|s|f|?]?" what does all these options mean? |
| 04:22.58 | pstickne | anyone know the name of the font package that, when configured, controls sub-pixel hinting on fonts? |
| 04:23.14 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 04:23.22 | Marupa | could someone help me set up my tablet in linux? |
| 04:23.41 | pstickne | stoned, thanks |
| 04:23.52 | Marupa | using 2.6, testing, and it's a UC Logic WP5540 |
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| 04:24.36 | Marupa | dmesg and lsusb see it, but the only response I get from it is top barrel button. |
| 04:24.44 | Marupa | which appears to be middle click. |
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| 04:26.35 | pstickne | tablet running linux? |
| 04:26.52 | jetscreamer | tenzing_: man reportbug, but all you need to know is yes it's listed or no it's not maybe ... ? |
| 04:26.53 | Marupa | no, linux running with a tablet...like, wacom. |
| 04:26.58 | Marupa | it's not a wacom, though |
| 04:26.58 | pstickne | ohh. |
| 04:27.05 | jetscreamer | the cap is the default |
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| 04:27.50 | tenzing_ | jetscreamer, thanks, i figured out that the "?" explans all the options there |
| 04:27.56 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 04:31.15 | enouf | Marupa: have you drxx? I recall seeing this (options for tablet settings) in the transition from xfree86 to xorg - which version of Deb are you running and which kernel |
| 04:31.40 | Marupa | debian etch, 2.6 and no. |
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| 04:33.08 | enouf | Marupa : not 100% positive about where I saw those settings pop up for config, but drxx makes sense, but i don't have nor use a tablet -- Oh? 2.6.? a 'uname -r' will tell you |
| 04:33.35 | Marupa | .15-1-486 |
| 04:33.46 | Marupa | and what is drxx? |
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| 04:34.23 | enouf | !drxx |
| 04:34.24 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 04:34.41 | enouf | Also - see if you have these files uyou can review /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
| 04:34.49 | enouf | /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 04:35.09 | enouf | Which KERNEL version ?? and Xorg? or Xfree86 ?? |
| 04:35.21 | Marupa | xorg |
| 04:35.54 | enouf | Then you have those docs hopefully -- if not get them |
| 04:36.01 | enouf | !drxorg |
| 04:36.06 | enouf | !drxxorg |
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| 04:39.32 | huhlig | moo |
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| 04:41.30 | moj0rising | I am having some trouble installing packages from the CD-ROMs. Can anyone tell me how to do it correctly (or point me in the right direction)? |
| 04:42.47 | epsilon | deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 04:43.02 | epsilon | where where source CD is mounted as cdrom |
| 04:43.21 | jetscreamer | you have to use apt-cdrom to set them up iirc |
| 04:43.21 | huhlig | hmm |
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| 04:43.37 | jetscreamer | just editing the sources.list doesn't cut it |
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| 04:45.50 | cheikh | where can i download or have an up to date sources.list |
| 04:46.49 | streuner | cheikh: what version of debian? |
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| 04:47.22 | cheikh | not originally debian but the latest knoppix |
| 04:47.26 | huhlig | hmm |
| 04:47.39 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 04:47.40 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 04:48.33 | pagey | ouch |
| 04:48.37 | huhlig | umm... |
| 04:48.38 | huhlig | you get your winky cut off? |
| 04:48.40 | huhlig | so who is the bobbitizer |
| 04:48.44 | sanmarcos | is it a security risk to have a user have it's home as /? |
| 04:49.10 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 04:49.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and ... |
| 04:49.41 | huhlig | umm,, yes |
| 04:49.44 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: that just sounds like a really stupid idea.. no offense, it just does |
| 04:49.50 | pstickne | is cups the defacto spooler? |
| 04:49.57 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer, not mine, debian's packager |
| 04:50.00 | enouf | epsilon -- or just edit the source.list file to 'file:/' or 'file://' and/or try /media/cdrom -- I can;t recall which one works, but one does (if 2 cd cdrives, you likely have cdrom0 and cdrom1 |
| 04:50.21 | jetscreamer | !info apt-cdrom |
| 04:50.21 | streuner | pstickne: yes |
| 04:50.26 | enouf | epsilon -- or just use apt-cdrom like jetscreamer mentioned |
| 04:50.48 | streuner | pstickne: its the attempt to make your life easier ;-) |
| 04:50.57 | sanmarcos | how can I find out what users are in a group? other than /etc/groups, is there an utility |
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| 04:51.32 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: there is some gnome thing at least |
| 04:51.44 | jetscreamer | not sure about other way, but there must be |
| 04:51.50 | moj0rising | thanks, jetscreamer and epsilon. just saw your messages. |
| 04:51.52 | sanmarcos | bah its good enough, thanks |
| 04:52.04 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer, Ill file a bug report for those packages that set / to the home dir of a user |
| 04:52.19 | linux2 | im being forgetfull at the moment |
| 04:52.30 | moj0rising | for some reason after using apt-cdrom add, I can't unmount my CD.. |
| 04:52.35 | linux2 | but what file contains the modules to load at boot? |
| 04:52.39 | moj0rising | ..device busy. Weird. |
| 04:52.49 | Guerin | moj0rising: use fuser or lsof to see what has it open |
| 04:52.57 | sanmarcos | also, I have lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2006-08-04 00:48 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img. I do not believe those to be the appropiate security concious permissions, would 0755 be better? or does only root need to access such things? |
| 04:53.04 | moj0rising | ah ha. |
| 04:53.09 | Guerin | moj0rising: or just use umount -l, since you can't damage an iso9660 filesystem |
| 04:53.16 | moj0rising | OK. I'll kill that PID... |
| 04:53.17 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: that's a symlink |
| 04:53.24 | jetscreamer | and yeah that's how they are |
| 04:53.25 | Guerin | sanmarcos: synmlinks are always 777 |
| 04:53.34 | huhlig | hmm |
| 04:53.38 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: ls -lA |
| 04:53.39 | sanmarcos | Guerin, heh, thanks :) |
| 04:53.43 | jetscreamer | will give you the path |
| 04:53.46 | jetscreamer | to the target |
| 04:54.23 | sanmarcos | there should be an utilty to fix permissions on / |
| 04:54.28 | moj0rising | wow. I had to use kill -9 to get it to die. |
| 04:54.42 | Guerin | moj0rising: get what to die? |
| 04:54.51 | linux2 | anyone know |
| 04:54.58 | linux2 | what file contains modules to load at boot? |
| 04:55.00 | moj0rising | that process that wouldn't let go of the CD. |
| 04:55.03 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.06 | Guerin | linux2: /etc/modules* |
| 04:55.06 | sanmarcos | linux2, /etc/modules |
| 04:55.13 | Guerin | moj0rising: which? |
| 04:55.19 | linux2 | thanks, sorry i just forgot |
| 04:55.20 | sanmarcos | what permission should /root have? |
| 04:55.23 | moj0rising | debian install CD 1. |
| 04:55.27 | moj0rising | unstable. |
| 04:55.40 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-04-16 23:00 bin |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-06-07 00:45 boot |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2002-07-28 01:09 cdrom |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 28672 2006-07-19 23:43 dev |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | drwxr-xr-x 94 root root 8192 2006-07-19 23:43 etc |
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| 04:55.57 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 04:56.03 | enouf | :-p |
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| 04:56.23 | sanmarcos | I wanted /root alone |
| 04:56.35 | Guerin | !pity me |
| 04:56.35 | dpkg | I pity da fool guerin! |
| 04:56.45 | sanmarcos | I mean, its 0755 right now. but why do other users have the ability to read and execute stuff from /root ? |
| 04:56.52 | Guerin | fucking enter key being so close to | |
| 04:56.55 | Tallu | Hehe. killing time by sending emails to abuse departments. :P |
| 04:56.56 | sanmarcos | even if its standard not to put anything there |
| 04:56.56 | jetscreamer | /root should be 744 iirc |
| 04:57.00 | Guerin | who made that design decision |
| 04:57.02 | jetscreamer | lol@guerin |
| 04:57.28 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer, if I could find a resource lisitng the default permissions for / |
| 04:57.39 | jetscreamer | guerin was giving it a shot |
| 04:57.41 | sanmarcos | or a repair utility, like Mac Os X does |
| 04:58.02 | jetscreamer | last time i tried i got it from simonrvn iirc |
| 04:58.08 | pstickne | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.16 | Guerin | pstickne: why not? |
| 04:58.34 | pstickne | Guerin, what advantage does it offer? |
| 04:58.36 | knowwho | what's the avg time for kernel to compile, let's say you have a 800mhz + 192MB system |
| 04:58.41 | Guerin | 744 is fine unless you store sensitive information in /root instead of its own directory |
| 04:58.47 | Guerin | pstickne: what disadvantage? |
| 04:58.52 | pstickne | Guerin, information. |
| 04:58.56 | streuner | hm, |-----------| <--- this one? |
| 04:59.06 | Guerin | pstickne: see my point above re: data |
| 04:59.08 | jetscreamer | has* |
| 04:59.09 | streuner | knowwho: ^^^ |
| 04:59.23 | knowwho | ^^ ?? |
| 04:59.27 | Guerin | knowwho: depends on the kernel |
| 04:59.31 | sanmarcos | Ill just set /root to 0770 like I do with /home/users |
| 04:59.38 | knowwho | or depends on your config, too? |
| 04:59.41 | Guerin | knowwho: a full debian kernel with everything will probably be 2-4 hours |
| 04:59.49 | Guerin | knowwho: a minimal kernel could be under an hour |
| 04:59.50 | streuner | knowwho: how should we know, what kind of kernel you compile... |
| 05:00.04 | jetscreamer | then there's the question of which target |
| 05:00.09 | knowwho | 2.6.17.8 |
| 05:00.14 | streuner | 800 mhz? no way |
| 05:00.15 | jetscreamer | if using make-kpkg |
| 05:00.33 | knowwho | its been like 1+ hour already |
| 05:00.42 | Guerin | pstickne: my point is that any sensitive data shouldn't be in /root, it should be in/root/s3kr1ts |
| 05:00.48 | knowwho | still on: |
| 05:00.50 | knowwho | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.50 | knowwho | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.55 | Guerin | knowwho: just wait, it'll be done in time |
| 05:01.05 | sanmarcos | wtf is it with this staff group everywhere |
| 05:01.06 | knowwho | Guerin: i know, im just saying |
| 05:01.07 | jetscreamer | yeah play a game |
| 05:01.16 | pstickne | Guerin, so put it there and keep /root limited reading. What does changing default permissions offer? |
| 05:01.21 | knowwho | jetscreamer: yeah, 360 owns |
| 05:01.31 | Guerin | pstickne: the default permissions on debian *are* 744 |
| 05:01.37 | Guerin | pstickne: so you tell me |
| 05:01.46 | pstickne | Guerin, not on this system I just installed |
| 05:01.51 | pstickne | Guerin, 741 here. |
| 05:01.55 | Guerin | well, on both my sarge boxen they are |
| 05:02.03 | pstickne | Guerin, hmm :-/ |
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| 05:02.22 | pstickne | Guerin, ehh, whatever :p |
| 05:02.27 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:02.29 | sanmarcos | what would rws in a group mean? setuid group? that means all the files created within that dir are set to be owned by the group? |
| 05:02.32 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 05:02.33 | dpkg | somebody said whatever was the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 05:02.40 | Guerin | ;) |
| 05:02.46 | knowwho | "chmod +rwx file.tar" : what permission is this |
| 05:03.01 | Guerin | knowwho: man chmod |
| 05:03.13 | streuner | !permissions |
| 05:03.14 | dpkg | permissions is probably multiple acts of permitting, or http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
| 05:03.17 | Guerin | knowwho: hint: it's overkill |
| 05:03.24 | knowwho | what you mean? |
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| 05:03.32 | Guerin | i mean it's too muchi |
| 05:03.48 | knowwho | i actually do "chmod +x" everytime |
| 05:03.56 | Guerin | for a tar file? why? |
| 05:04.00 | streuner | read what the bot told you |
| 05:04.02 | knowwho | anyfile |
| 05:04.06 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:04.11 | streuner | heh |
| 05:04.19 | Guerin | that's stupid like win9x permissions |
| 05:04.24 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 05:04.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have ... |
| 05:04.27 | SpeedyG | knowwho: as root, just do chmod -R +x / :P |
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| 05:04.44 | knowwho | SpeedyG: sure |
| 05:04.44 | SpeedyG | so you wouldnt have to do it for 'any file' |
| 05:04.52 | SpeedyG | and don't forget... it's just stupid |
| 05:04.53 | streuner | SpeedyG: that isn't a good idea |
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| 05:05.03 | knowwho | i just did: rm -rf / |
| 05:05.06 | jetscreamer | i did that accidentally once |
| 05:05.07 | knowwho | now what? |
| 05:05.09 | Guerin | SpeedyG: people have been banned for telling newbies to do stupid shit like that, so I might consider being careful |
| 05:05.09 | Tallu | I love dpkg! |
| 05:05.10 | stickyboy | Where do you get apt-key? |
| 05:05.11 | sanmarcos | Finally, one last point and we shall be done. The setuid bit has no meaning on a directory, but the setgid bit does. It means that files created in that directory will inherit the directory's group ownership, instead of the gid of whoever made them. When combined with a umask that permits group write privileges (such as 002), this is useful in setting up an area where a group of users can work together. For example: |
| 05:05.12 | jetscreamer | the +x not the rm |
| 05:05.40 | jetscreamer | !tell stickyboy -about 2006 key |
| 05:05.44 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: Ì did the rm once.. just to see what it did ;) |
| 05:05.47 | Guerin | i once restored a backup from tar without -p |
| 05:05.51 | Guerin | that was a mistake |
| 05:06.54 | sanmarcos | ahh |
| 05:06.58 | enouf | stickyboy: you need to upgrade the pkg 'apt' to get that functionality .. what version are yoiu on and what kernel ? |
| 05:07.08 | sanmarcos | but tar takes perms into account when compressing by default right Guerin ? |
| 05:07.08 | knowwho | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda1 |
| 05:07.20 | stickyboy | enouf: Damn. Ok. |
| 05:07.25 | enouf | read the dpkg bot stuff that jetstreamer sent too |
| 05:07.28 | stickyboy | enouf: brb... girlfriend on phone |
| 05:07.36 | enouf | jetscreamer* -- ooops |
| 05:07.41 | pstickne | I hate when aptitude gets in never-ending loops. Install 3 packages. Go. Hit g again. Hmm. Same 3 packages but no other messages. |
| 05:07.44 | njkt | stickyboy?! |
| 05:08.03 | stickyboy | njkt: Holy crap. |
| 05:08.06 | stickyboy | haha |
| 05:08.07 | enouf | pstickne: use apt :-) |
| 05:08.09 | njkt | lmao |
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| 05:08.42 | sanmarcos | tiger is very nice |
| 05:08.47 | Guerin | SpeedyG: yes, but not when restoring (unless you're root) |
| 05:08.53 | Guerin | sanmarcos: ^ |
| 05:09.29 | sanmarcos | Guerin, umask are user settings right? you cant set a global umask for a directory? |
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| 05:09.35 | pstickne | enouf, I hate vanilla apt-get. It will nicely remove everything. |
| 05:09.41 | Guerin | then there's the tricky 'include / on the front of file paths in the tar' which some people use ... rrr... |
| 05:10.10 | enouf | pstickne: well ok - use aptitude :-p |
| 05:10.21 | pstickne | enouf, :p |
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| 05:10.28 | keram | hello |
| 05:10.35 | keram | i'm getting this error when i try to run a compile program |
| 05:10.47 | keram | /usr/local/matlab7/bin/glnx86/../../sys/os/glnx86/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/li bstdc++.so.6) |
| 05:10.53 | keram | does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 05:11.04 | Guerin | sanmarcos: i don't know what you mean |
| 05:11.21 | sanmarcos | Guerin, you cant umask a dir |
| 05:11.31 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:11.33 | Guerin | i don't know |
| 05:12.16 | enouf | keram: I'd say you need gcc 3.3 atleast -- or some of the necessary file sfor compiling are in the wrong locations |
| 05:12.18 | sanmarcos | it is not dangerous for a user who is disabled to have a valid shell, I believe |
| 05:12.27 | sanmarcos | tiger sometimes produces senseless warnings |
| 05:12.42 | Guerin | what do you expect, it's mactardware |
| 05:12.46 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:12.51 | keram | aptitude search gcc reveals that gcc 3.3 is installed |
| 05:13.10 | sanmarcos | Guerin, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/tiger.html ehhm no |
| 05:13.22 | sanmarcos | I meant the tiger security package |
| 05:13.29 | Guerin | hence <heh> |
| 05:13.31 | enouf | keram: what's the ouptut of 'dpkg -l gcc-3.3' |
| 05:13.36 | enouf | oh okk |
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| 05:14.38 | enouf | keram: I really can't help you much more -- sorry I just don't know |
| 05:14.40 | keram | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Jk6pHK41.html |
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| 05:14.50 | keram | it syas its like half installed? |
| 05:14.52 | keram | or something |
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| 05:15.32 | enouf | keram: but I'll review your paste anyways for kicks - or if anything seems obviously wrong to my untrained eye :-p |
| 05:16.05 | enouf | keram: whooops -- yes gcc 3.3 is installed -- |
| 05:16.11 | keram | http://rafb.net/paste/results/z8GxdY32.html |
| 05:16.19 | keram | theres the output of aptitude search gcc |
| 05:16.59 | enouf | keram: what ? half-installed ? try Fix-broken in aptitude perhaps |
| 05:17.17 | keram | aptitude fix-broken gcc? |
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| 05:17.57 | sanmarcos | !now |
| 05:17.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, now is network of workstations,see progeny |
| 05:18.57 | stickyboy | enouf: Ok, well your message kinda helped... I don't want a key, I want apt-key itself. :) |
| 05:19.56 | enouf | stickyboy: it was jetscreamer that sent it to you :-p .. what version are you on and what kernel ? |
| 05:20.06 | enouf | Debian version and kernel version |
| 05:20.17 | stickyboy | enouf: Whatever, you told jetscreamer to send it. ;) |
| 05:20.34 | stickyboy | enouf: I'm on 3.1r2, kernel 2.6.8 |
| 05:20.34 | enouf | ok -- i did |
| 05:20.41 | jetscreamer | a crummy bot |
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| 05:20.52 | enouf | !prize jetscreamer |
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| 05:20.57 | enouf | dang again |
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| 05:21.23 | enouf | stickyboy: I think you need to update the kernel atleast - to get the newer apt |
| 05:21.34 | jetscreamer | version this |
| 05:21.36 | enouf | doesn't the boty say etch/sid ? |
| 05:21.59 | enouf | !dlow jetscreamer |
| 05:22.04 | enouf | !bow jetscreamer |
| 05:22.15 | enouf | !blow |
| 05:22.26 | enouf | not me yhou dumb bot arggg |
| 05:22.33 | stickyboy | enouf: It doesn't say EXACTLY that... it says, "unstable/testing" ;) |
| 05:22.45 | jetscreamer | you've heard of supybot? well i'm a stupibot |
| 05:23.02 | enouf | stickyboy: well - no go for you :-P Unless you use a backport.org kernel |
| 05:23.19 | stickyboy | I switched from debian unstable because I was sick of problems with apt repositories and now I can't get apt-key. |
| 05:23.53 | stickyboy | I used to love linux, but now I can't find any distro that fits my needs :( |
| 05:23.58 | enouf | stickyboy: why do you think I'm on sid ? not for apt-key per se, buit something else :-) |
| 05:24.05 | enouf | but* |
| 05:24.17 | stickyboy | enouf: I'm on PPC... repos on sid suck. |
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| 05:24.45 | enouf | hrmmm... have no clue then - help develop the apps then :-) |
| 05:25.01 | stickyboy | enouf: It's ok, I'll just go without mplayer for a few months. |
| 05:25.14 | jetscreamer | stickyboy: marillat |
| 05:25.17 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 05:25.28 | enouf | stickyboy: you don' ned the apt-key for mplayer do you ? |
| 05:25.36 | enouf | don't* |
| 05:25.40 | enouf | need* |
| 05:25.44 | jetscreamer | just hit Y when it asks you 'do you wnat to install from this keyless source?' |
| 05:25.46 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 05:25.49 | stickyboy | Ok. |
| 05:25.56 | stickyboy | I'm new to apt. |
| 05:26.06 | stickyboy | And what's with package names. Jesus. |
| 05:26.13 | jetscreamer | you don't have to have the key to be able to install |
| 05:26.23 | jetscreamer | just to keep from being asked |
| 05:26.27 | enouf | stickyboy: Aren't you glad you brought up your specific issue now ?? |
| 05:26.30 | stickyboy | Who decided to name the gstreamer plugins "ugly"? |
| 05:26.46 | jetscreamer | a gstreamer user? |
| 05:26.57 | stickyboy | Of course. |
| 05:27.00 | jetscreamer | !find gstreamer ugly |
| 05:27.04 | stickyboy | Rhythmbox. |
| 05:27.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gstreamer ugly' returned no results. |
| 05:27.27 | jetscreamer | maybe 'fugly' ... :) |
| 05:27.33 | stickyboy | I guess that's the ubuntu package name. |
| 05:27.46 | Guerin | bo, too much coffee |
| 05:27.50 | jetscreamer | die ubuntu die! |
| 05:27.52 | stickyboy | But I've had problems finding other packages as well. |
| 05:27.59 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
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| 05:28.04 | Guerin | gstreamer is ugly |
| 05:28.06 | stickyboy | That program is horrible |
| 05:28.07 | jetscreamer | !tell stickyboy -about pdo |
| 05:28.19 | Guerin | or was ugly last I used it, wich is ~6 months ago |
| 05:28.22 | pstickne | this is lame. packages just "aren't being installed". |
| 05:28.23 | stickyboy | apt-cache search is icky. Tell me versions!! |
| 05:28.29 | Guerin | apparently it's beautiful on the inside |
| 05:28.30 | tarzeau | someone can run briquolo and send a report to 362897@bugs.debian.org telling "it (doesn't) works for me" |
| 05:28.44 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 05:28.44 | lontra | i can't burn a cd as a regular user but i can as super user ... i imagine it's cause i'm not in some group what group would i need to be in? |
| 05:28.45 | dpkg | somebody said dselect was a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 05:28.52 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 05:29.01 | jetscreamer | lontra: try k3b-setup |
| 05:29.11 | Guerin | !tell tarzeau about doesn't work |
| 05:29.14 | lontra | i don't use k3b |
| 05:29.16 | stickyboy | And apt keeps uninstalling packages that are "unused"... like... HUNDREDS. |
| 05:29.19 | tarzeau | Guerin: huh? |
| 05:29.22 | stickyboy | I just don't "get" debian. |
| 05:29.23 | stickyboy | :) |
| 05:29.25 | tarzeau | Guerin: did you even read what i said? |
| 05:29.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: so there |
| 05:29.31 | stickyboy | dselect sucks too! |
| 05:29.35 | stickyboy | I'm really trying here! |
| 05:29.38 | jetscreamer | lontra: check the perms on cdrecord and such, iirc |
| 05:29.41 | tarzeau | Guerin: it works for me, but can you try it and report the result to the bts? |
| 05:29.44 | stickyboy | I just don't get why everyone likes these tools :) |
| 05:29.46 | enouf | stickyboy: apt-cache show <packagename> will show you BOTH installed versions and the most available one according tio your source.list entries |
| 05:29.55 | Guerin | tarzeau: i can't, because I don't currently have a debian machine |
| 05:30.01 | Guerin | well, not one with x on it |
| 05:30.01 | njkt | stickyboy, you tried aptitude yet? |
| 05:30.03 | jetscreamer | lontra: running the k3b-setup script should fix that though, even if you don't use k3b |
| 05:30.04 | stickyboy | enouf: Ok... |
| 05:30.05 | lontra | cdrecord and the nautilus cd burner both don't work |
| 05:30.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: but can you, when you have one? |
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| 05:30.14 | enouf | both the and -- rtfm :-) |
| 05:30.21 | Guerin | tarzeau: sure, but it might be a week or so |
| 05:30.22 | stickyboy | njkt: Yah, I was stoked on aptitude for a bit until it wanted to uninstall a ton of stuff... like FREAKIN' vim. |
| 05:30.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: this is important for the software be able to go into testing/stable |
| 05:30.27 | lontra | i don't have k3b installed |
| 05:30.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: that's fine, etch won't be released within a week or so |
| 05:30.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:30.37 | stickyboy | Install gnu screen, REMOVE vim apache and mysql... (WTF?) |
| 05:30.40 | njkt | pffft! no one wants to uninstall vim :P |
| 05:30.46 | tarzeau | stickyboy: sounds good to me |
| 05:30.48 | Guerin | s/week/year/ |
| 05:30.54 | stickyboy | tarzeau: Hah. :P |
| 05:31.22 | pstickne | stickyboy, welcome to the world of apt. |
| 05:31.26 | Guerin | stickyboy: aptitude does stupid things sometimes |
| 05:31.31 | enouf | stickyboy: learn to upgrade a pkg using the ' -t' option |
| 05:31.36 | pstickne | Guerin, s/sometimes/usually/ |
| 05:31.37 | enouf | with apt-get |
| 05:31.37 | Guerin | stickyboy: you want to purge aptitude, then reinstall it using apt |
| 05:31.38 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 05:31.39 | dpkg | fix-unmet is, like, run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 05:31.45 | jetscreamer | now that's 1337 |
| 05:31.52 | Guerin | well, that's a known bug from mixing use of aptitude and apt-* |
| 05:32.05 | knowwho | ok, done compiling |
| 05:32.13 | Guerin | they keep different lists of what's installed and not, so once you start using aptitude, you should stop using all other package managers |
| 05:32.14 | knowwho | but how come i don't see any .deb file? |
| 05:32.29 | knowwho | aint i supposed to have a .deb file after compiling? |
| 05:32.46 | Guerin | knowwho: if you used make-kpkg, you should have several |
| 05:32.53 | Guerin | depending on which target you used |
| 05:33.04 | knowwho | Guerin: i did: cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.17.8; make |
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| 05:33.22 | stickyboy | Guerin: I think so. |
| 05:33.26 | Guerin | knowwho: then how would it make a dbeian package if you didn't use the debian packaging tools? |
| 05:33.49 | knowwho | Guerin: then how can i install this then? |
| 05:33.58 | pstickne | wth. why does dselect know about all these things (packages to update) that aptitude didn't? |
| 05:34.01 | Guerin | knowwho: make install, etc? |
| 05:34.12 | njkt | knowwho, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4468 has a decent howto for compiling your own kernel |
| 05:34.14 | lontra | well alacarte is stupid it doesn't even work...what's the point if i deselect something with alacarte but it still shows up in the gnome menus? |
| 05:34.21 | Guerin | pstickne: i told you - aptitude sometimes needs to be purged and reinstalled to work properly again. |
| 05:34.32 | knowwho | thanks |
| 05:34.38 | Guerin | pstickne: it gets confused when you use things other than it to manage packages |
| 05:34.39 | pstickne | Guerin, what do you mean by reinstalled? |
| 05:34.50 | pstickne | Guerin, aptitude is the only thing I've used :-/ |
| 05:35.01 | Guerin | pstickne: apt-get remove --purge aptitude; apt-get install aptitude |
| 05:35.22 | knowwho | Guerin: so all im gonna do is "make install" |
| 05:35.26 | pstickne | that sounds so retarded :-/ |
| 05:35.29 | knowwho | then itll install automatically? |
| 05:35.34 | enouf | stickyboy: see 'man:apt_preferences(5)' for what I mean about -t (target release) and using apt-get install |
| 05:35.43 | stickyboy | enouf: Will do |
| 05:35.43 | Guerin | pstickne: it *is* retarded, but it does work |
| 05:35.56 | Guerin | knowwho: you need to google "linux kernel install" |
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| 05:36.12 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 05:36.13 | dpkg | [aptitude] a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 05:36.23 | Guerin | yeah, there's the bug at the bottom of that factoid |
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| 05:36.39 | lontra | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 133 2006-01-07 11:43 /usr/bin/cdrecord < -- might that explain why i can't burn cds? |
| 05:36.48 | Guerin | lontra: doubtful |
| 05:37.04 | lontra | ok :) |
| 05:37.08 | pstickne | hmm. dselect is showing alot of 404's :( |
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| 05:37.16 | lontra | it's really a moot point because i can burn cds with su or sudo |
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| 05:38.03 | Guerin | lontra: i think it's more to do with the cd device, but I don't recall exactly |
| 05:38.25 | Guerin | lontra: i remember it being really stupid, and jorge being a sun fascist |
| 05:38.26 | knowwho | Guerin: is "make install" the same as doing "dpkg -i file.deb" ? |
| 05:38.30 | Guerin | knowwho: no. |
| 05:38.33 | jetscreamer | lontra: -rws--x--- 1 root cdrom 565104 Feb 19 16:18 /usr/bin/cdrdao |
| 05:38.37 | lontra | Guerin: he he |
| 05:38.45 | lontra | jorge a sun fascist? |
| 05:38.49 | jetscreamer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root cdrom 133 Jan 7 2006 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 05:38.51 | knowwho | Guerin: what should i do then after compiling this stuff for hours? |
| 05:38.52 | Guerin | never! |
| 05:39.10 | Guerin | !fgi knowwho install+linux+kernel |
| 05:39.11 | dpkg | knowwho: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=install+linux+kernel |
| 05:39.14 | lontra | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 565104 2006-02-19 15:18 /usr/bin/cdrdao |
| 05:39.27 | jetscreamer | lontra: mine works, if that helps |
| 05:39.43 | stickyboy | What's with Firefox 1.0.4 in stable?... Are they kidding us? |
| 05:39.48 | jetscreamer | and of course i'm in the cdrom group |
| 05:39.57 | lontra | i don't have a cdrom group |
| 05:40.04 | njkt | stickyboy, get with the times... the "cool" people use etch now :P |
| 05:40.06 | lontra | i guess i could make one |
| 05:40.08 | jetscreamer | you should i think |
| 05:40.10 | lontra | or i could just use su or sudo |
| 05:40.45 | Guerin | stickyboy: read the release guide and you'll find out why |
| 05:40.49 | jetscreamer | i thnk the +s matter for cdrdao but i'm not sure |
| 05:40.54 | Guerin | stickyboy: short answer: stable doesn't get new packages. |
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| 05:41.16 | lontra | jetscreamer: yeah i don't have a cdrom group by default |
| 05:41.22 | njkt | testing is going to stable in a few months anyways |
| 05:41.23 | jetscreamer | weird |
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| 05:41.26 | nceterval | I'm using Sid, how do I disable remote X access/? |
| 05:41.31 | jetscreamer | i thought it was a default thing |
| 05:41.34 | Guerin | njkt: believe it when you see it |
| 05:41.35 | lontra | i just installed etch today... |
| 05:41.43 | lontra | so i haven't had too much time to bork it |
| 05:41.51 | stickyboy | njkt: Etch blows on ppc. :) |
| 05:41.55 | Guerin | nceterval: you shouldn't have to, it should be off by default |
| 05:42.06 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental anyway |
| 05:42.08 | knowwho | i think i should just use make-kpkg and recompile again |
| 05:42.09 | knowwho | shit |
| 05:42.12 | nceterval | Guerin, Oh, good. How can I check? |
| 05:42.12 | njkt | stickyboy, forgot you're a mac user |
| 05:42.13 | stickyboy | Guerin: I understand... but with all due respect... Firefox 1.5 "new"? ;) |
| 05:42.21 | stickyboy | njkt: This machine, yeah :) |
| 05:42.30 | Guerin | nceterval: from another machine, X -query ip.add.re.ss |
| 05:42.35 | stickyboy | njkt: Oh, but Etch wouldn't boot on my x86 machine. :) |
| 05:42.42 | stickyboy | I tried last week when I was in Chico. |
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| 05:42.57 | njkt | strange, i've been using a daily build with no issue |
| 05:43.04 | Guerin | stickyboy: as I said: it doesn't get ANY new packages or ANY new versions. None. not any. |
| 05:43.10 | stickyboy | njkt: Yep, strange. :) |
| 05:43.17 | stickyboy | Guerin: :) |
| 05:43.19 | Guerin | stickyboy: unless you use volatile, which is semi-official. |
| 05:43.37 | stickyboy | Guerin: From a quality control point of view I can understand. |
| 05:43.46 | jetscreamer | knowwho: do make-kpkg --targets |
| 05:43.53 | stickyboy | Make a special case for "stable" Firefox... and then everyone wants their new package in stable. |
| 05:43.59 | nceterval | Guerin, Thanks |
| 05:44.05 | Guerin | stickyboy: and there's another thing: the ff 1.0.4 in sarge security is probably 1.0.7 or later, because backporting security fixes is nearly impossible with mozilla |
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| 05:44.07 | stickyboy | And the bye-bye stable. |
| 05:44.19 | stickyboy | s/the/then |
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| 05:45.27 | knowwho | jetscreamer: too late now, i just did make clean |
| 05:45.48 | grendal_prime | i hate bluetooth |
| 05:46.02 | jetscreamer | knowwho: no, try it it will just give you a list of possible targets |
| 05:46.17 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg kernel-image for instance is the minimal one |
| 05:46.18 | grendal_prime | i wish there was a way to connect my phone to my laptop via the usb cable...like a tunnel of some sort |
| 05:46.31 | knowwho | is 'sarge' still considered stable if you compile your own kernel? |
| 05:46.38 | grendal_prime | meaning a network connectiong throught the cable. |
| 05:46.46 | keram | any of you ever successfully created a stand alone matlab exec? |
| 05:46.49 | jetscreamer | knowwho: why not use a backported kernle |
| 05:46.59 | knowwho | where? |
| 05:47.03 | Guerin | usb isn't very well set up for networking because of its client-host model |
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| 05:47.18 | Guerin | just one reason firewire should have pwned it |
| 05:47.23 | knowwho | jetscreamer: they don't have 2.6.17.8 though |
| 05:47.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:47.41 | stickyboy | Aww, no rtorrent in stable! |
| 05:47.42 | stickyboy | :( |
| 05:47.44 | grendal_prime | all i know is i cant get bluetooth to do shit |
| 05:47.46 | Guerin | knowwho: sarge is independent of a kernel. |
| 05:47.55 | knowwho | jetscreamer: do they? |
| 05:48.04 | knowwho | !bpo |
| 05:48.05 | dpkg | backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/instructions.html on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 05:48.06 | jetscreamer | knowwho: i dunno... i run sid |
| 05:48.12 | Guerin | stickyboy: heh, sad but true. It should build cleanly, and there are definitely packages available. Hang on. |
| 05:48.37 | knowwho | and plus, i don't wanna mess with my sources.list |
| 05:48.56 | jetscreamer | just compile one, can't hurt |
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| 05:49.08 | jetscreamer | unless you get one with a known vulnerability |
| 05:49.16 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 05:49.59 | Guerin | bah, I have rtorrent on my sarge box, but I seem to have deleted the sources.list line |
| 05:50.07 | Guerin | perhaps I built it myself. |
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| 05:51.33 | sanmarcos | when one installs debian pakcages such as gdm, distcc, cups, it creates users, what are the passwords for such users? |
| 05:51.36 | stickyboy | Guerin: I'll look into building myself after I pick my drunk roomates up from the bars. ;) |
| 05:52.16 | lontra | bugs.debian.org is where i need to submit a bug report right? |
| 05:52.39 | lontra | nevermind |
| 05:52.41 | lontra | it's submit@ |
| 05:52.54 | sanmarcos | !tell lontra about reportbug |
| 05:53.10 | lontra | reportbug didn't work for me cause of smtp |
| 05:53.40 | knowwho | aight, recompiling with make-kpkg, wish me luck! |
| 05:54.03 | jetscreamer | am i overly paranoid for not wanting to put my email password in the reportbug.conf? |
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| 05:54.36 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer, yes |
| 05:55.14 | jetscreamer | that is why i don't make more br's |
| 05:55.15 | sanmarcos | why are there users such as irc, news, gnats, games ? and all have no passwords |
| 05:55.28 | jetscreamer | users or groups |
| 05:55.32 | Guerin | stickyboy: various functions |
| 05:55.49 | sanmarcos | Guerin, but they are not a security issue? |
| 05:55.53 | Guerin | sanmarcos: for instance, games need to have a centralised highscore list, but you don't want them all to run as root |
| 05:55.55 | sanmarcos | irc user? I dont run an ricd |
| 05:56.00 | Guerin | sanmarcos: not unless they have a shell, etc. |
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| 05:56.09 | Guerin | essentially: no. |
| 05:56.14 | sanmarcos | which should be /bin/false |
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| 05:56.23 | sanmarcos | but how can they write to files if they dont have a shell |
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| 05:56.43 | Guerin | sanmarcos: if you figure out how to exploit one, let security.d.o know |
| 05:57.01 | sanmarcos | distccd has a home of / by instalation |
| 05:57.07 | sanmarcos | shame you cnat report bugs in the debian site |
| 05:57.17 | Guerin | sanmarcos: you can't? |
| 05:57.29 | sanmarcos | apparently not |
| 05:57.33 | Guerin | no |
| 05:57.35 | Guerin | because ... |
| 05:57.45 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 05:57.46 | dpkg | from memory, advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 05:57.48 | sanmarcos | i am not sending a bug report via email, no time |
| 05:58.06 | Guerin | sanmarcos: reportbug is just as fast as a web form |
| 05:58.26 | sanmarcos | yep, but I discovered this issue on an ubuntu box I am securing, and since ubuntu gets its packages from debian |
| 05:58.32 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:58.34 | sanmarcos | distcc is from universe |
| 05:58.40 | Guerin | do not submit ubuntu bugs to debian |
| 05:58.42 | sanmarcos | i.e, they get it from debian |
| 05:58.50 | sanmarcos | well it applies to debian, I checked |
| 05:58.51 | Guerin | unless you can reproduce it on a debian system |
| 05:59.08 | Guerin | if YOU can reproduce it on a debian system, submit. Otherwise leave it to someone who can |
| 05:59.12 | sanmarcos | dont even bother submiting bugs or patches to ubunut |
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| 05:59.51 | pstickne | wow. CUPS is fantastico. |
| 06:00.06 | sanmarcos | for example, do users backup nobody need a shell? |
| 06:00.33 | printk | sanmarcos: nope |
| 06:00.55 | Guerin | sanmarcos: you should probably raise these issues on the security.d.o maling list, where you will get much clearer and more comprehensive answers than here. |
| 06:01.14 | Guerin | pstickne: when it works, yeah. |
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| 06:01.48 | sanmarcos | Guerin, its a pain in the butt |
| 06:02.14 | sanmarcos | and the chances of having these issues fixed is little to none, at least in my experience |
| 06:02.19 | sanmarcos | so ill just fix my system, and why bother |
| 06:02.38 | sanmarcos | I know, it sounds bad, but it is what it is (Kenneth Lay dixit) |
| 06:03.11 | Guerin | sanmarcos: hold up there: you first need to figure out if they ARE issues. Just because you think they are doesn't make it so. |
| 06:03.29 | sanmarcos | i.e cupsys and distccd users have a home dir of / but their logins are disabled, and their shells to false, |
| 06:03.38 | sanmarcos | they are just inconsistencies in most of the case |
| 06:03.42 | Guerin | debian has a security team with several hundred years' collective unix security experience |
| 06:04.06 | sanmarcos | ill checkout the security mailing list |
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| 06:04.14 | fireba11 | Guerin: if you say it like that it sounds .. dusty ;-) |
| 06:04.54 | Guerin | fireba11: and that doesn't mean there are 500 of them with a few months each :) |
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| 06:05.48 | Guerin | bah, I'm a media and international relatioins student, why the fuck am I studying cognitive psychology |
| 06:06.12 | Guerin | i'd sort of forgotten how much work university research is |
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| 06:07.19 | zorton | any backports of wine (latest) to stable? |
| 06:07.51 | Guerin | zorton: backports.org, or google would be your best bets |
| 06:08.22 | zorton | thanks |
| 06:08.27 | aryal | is SCTP in practical use or is it going the way of T/TCP? |
| 06:08.45 | evilgeek | T/TCP? |
| 06:09.08 | Guerin | !confuse aryal |
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| 06:09.09 | dpkg | Yes, who are our pants yesterday, aryal? shirts of the democracy of micronesia with extra herring |
| 06:10.43 | sep | .unconfuse guerin sctp=stream control transmission protocol T/TCP = Tcp for transmissions |
| 06:10.54 | aryal | evilgeek: TCP/IP illustrated v.1 covers T/TCP. UNP v.1 3rd edition dropped T/TCP but picked up SCTP. |
| 06:11.39 | sanmarcos | should /etc/profile export an initial setting for PATH? there should be an utility to see a diff between a file and a vanilla dpkg version |
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| 06:12.48 | Guerin | sep: EFUTILE |
| 06:13.06 | Guerin | i'm a liberal arts geek, not a scientist |
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| 06:13.28 | sep | liberal arts ? now your doing the confusion :) |
| 06:13.33 | aryal | my question was is SCTP going to be dropped in a hypothetical 4th edition? multihoming would be nice if, for example, browsers and web servers supported them. last month was a horrible month for my T1 connection. the net seems more like a star topology than a true web. SCTP with multihoming might revert the trend. just wondering... |
| 06:13.40 | Guerin | sep: better than conservative arts |
| 06:14.13 | sep | arts can be so maany different things |
| 06:14.21 | Guerin | aryal: isn't that one of the issues bittorrent was intended to solve? |
| 06:14.26 | Guerin | and other p2p, obviously |
| 06:14.46 | predder | Can an SMP kernel be used on a single processor machine? |
| 06:14.52 | sep | predder, yes |
| 06:14.55 | Guerin | predder: sure |
| 06:15.05 | predder | no problems with doing so? |
| 06:15.07 | sep | predder, and if you have a snigel cpu with hyperthreding you need it to take advantange of HT |
| 06:15.17 | Guerin | predder: no, it just uses as many cpus as are available |
| 06:15.19 | sep | predder, slightly larger kernel |
| 06:15.26 | predder | I see. Thanks :) |
| 06:15.28 | pstickne | sep, or not take advantages of ;) |
| 06:15.35 | predder | I was about to say that lol |
| 06:15.36 | evilgeek | aryal: shrug. okay. |
| 06:15.57 | fireba11 | Guerin: on my athlon64 the amd64-k8-smp crashed though ^^ only non-smp worked fine |
| 06:16.06 | Guerin | fireba11: hm, funky |
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| 06:16.29 | fireba11 | Guerin: was 2.6.26-2 from etch though but should still not crash i think |
| 06:16.32 | Guerin | i ran a smp kernel for the longest time on my laptop, just because I hit the wrong button during install and never could be arsed changing |
| 06:16.35 | fireba11 | .16 of course |
| 06:17.07 | aryal | Guerin: yes, but if your uplink drops, having a secondary uplink doesn't help since at the protocol level, you have one home. multihome-able protocol would make the network protocol itself provide the failover to another uplink - what SCTP proports to do. |
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| 06:19.13 | Guerin | aq/connect im.bitlbee.org |
| 06:19.18 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
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| 06:20.24 | sanmarcos | its ok Guerin, maybe that cognitive psychology can help you |
| 06:20.59 | Guerin | what would help more is a decent interweb connection |
| 06:21.03 | stoned | lol |
| 06:21.10 | zorton | or some good drugs |
| 06:21.14 | stoned | isn't everything really cognitive |
| 06:21.19 | Guerin | sanmarcos: no. |
| 06:21.22 | Guerin | stoned: no. |
| 06:21.28 | sanmarcos | wow, that no was powerful |
| 06:21.35 | stoned | no it wasn't |
| 06:21.35 | sanmarcos | along with the system beep, it was like wow |
| 06:21.41 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:21.48 | Guerin | beep is evil |
| 06:21.50 | sanmarcos | and there was a dot!! a dot! |
| 06:21.54 | sanmarcos | no. < powerful |
| 06:22.35 | stoned | everything is a product of cognition, hence, the synthesis of reality through perception, powered by cognition |
| 06:22.52 | Guerin | stoned: nope. Some things are real, even if you don't realise it. |
| 06:22.59 | stoned | there is no 'real' |
| 06:23.04 | stoned | I don't exist! |
| 06:23.19 | Guerin | i guarantee you falling off a high thing will change that opinion |
| 06:23.29 | aryal | and when you're stoned some things are realized even if they're not real |
| 06:23.32 | stoned | that was a joke |
| 06:23.36 | Guerin | high things are high |
| 06:23.41 | Guerin | as we used to say when I was a chef |
| 06:23.45 | Guerin | sharp things are sharp |
| 06:23.48 | Guerin | hot things are hot |
| 06:23.57 | sanmarcos | stupid things are stupid |
| 06:23.58 | aryal | or are they? |
| 06:23.58 | Guerin | dangerous things are dangerous, be careful with them |
| 06:24.03 | pstickne | is there a good tool to capture a windows contents? |
| 06:24.17 | Guerin | if you lick up a hot pan, you know beyond any doubt that hot things are indeed hot |
| 06:24.20 | stoned | there is an absolute universal which is undeniable. As long as there is a thought process, there is existence. Cogito. Egro, Sum. |
| 06:24.22 | stoned | etc. |
| 06:24.29 | Guerin | predder: scrot or similar |
| 06:24.32 | Guerin | pstickne: ^ |
| 06:25.05 | aryal | stoned: unless this is all a dream |
| 06:25.53 | Guerin | aryal: Hi, I'd like to trade my dream of being a grad student studying shit he doesn't care about in for the dream I was having before I fell off that damn dream motorbike and had to cut my world trip short |
| 06:26.02 | Guerin | that was an awesome dream |
| 06:26.05 | sanmarcos | pstickne, scrot, imagemagick |
| 06:26.06 | Guerin | stupid gravity |
| 06:26.16 | pstickne | Guerin, sanmarcos, thanks |
| 06:26.19 | sep | you are all a figment of your imagination :) |
| 06:26.30 | stoned | hey, you're gonna have to sleep on the floor |
| 06:26.31 | aryal | heh |
| 06:26.45 | stoned | oh man, damn gravity, got me again |
| 06:26.53 | Guerin | see |
| 06:26.56 | Guerin | high things are high |
| 06:26.58 | stoned | you have no idea how much I wanted to sleep on the walls |
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| 06:28.38 | Guerin | heh, best quote by a band ever |
| 06:28.52 | Guerin | "We're going to be bigger than the guy the beatles said they were going to be bigger than" |
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| 06:29.15 | Guerin | they'r enot there yet, though, since I can't remember who said it |
| 06:29.37 | stoned | Guerin, you eat chinese food at all? |
| 06:30.07 | Guerin | stoned: hell yeah. |
| 06:30.14 | stoned | word |
| 06:30.20 | Guerin | 6 weeks in china was the best food I've ever eaten |
| 06:30.27 | stoned | oh i hate you |
| 06:30.35 | Guerin | the humble beef noodle soup is king of all |
| 06:30.36 | stoned | I wish I could eat authentic chinese food once |
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| 06:30.46 | stoned | all this americanized crap is horrible |
| 06:30.53 | Guerin | it's true what they say: it's the same as home |
| 06:31.02 | stoned | no it isn't |
| 06:31.03 | Guerin | home, in my case, not being america |
| 06:31.04 | Tallu | chinese food is great.. i just prefer indian food :) |
| 06:31.18 | stoned | I prefer whats in front of me when I'm hungry |
| 06:31.23 | Guerin | i can't choose one kind of food |
| 06:31.39 | Guerin | i'd probably choose chinese over any other sort, though, because it's extremely diverse |
| 06:31.53 | stoned | I still want some Nihari, Khameeri Roti, and some Lussi |
| 06:31.56 | Guerin | stoned: we ate a whole baby pig in guangzhou |
| 06:31.57 | stoned | that would do the trick |
| 06:32.03 | stoned | or some Halwa Poori and Bhaji |
| 06:32.06 | Guerin | stoned: and it cost us $20, including beer |
| 06:32.09 | stoned | ugh |
| 06:32.11 | stoned | disgusting |
| 06:32.40 | sanmarcos | do any of you actually run antivirus software in linux? other than for email servers? |
| 06:32.41 | stoned | oh did I say that out loud |
| 06:32.42 | Guerin | stoned: oh, your family are islam, right? |
| 06:32.50 | stoned | Guerin, yessir |
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| 06:32.56 | aryal | but nothing beats a white castle run at the middle of the night when you got the munchies ;) |
| 06:33.08 | stoned | fuck white castle man, IHOP! |
| 06:33.11 | Guerin | stoned: but you still drink? |
| 06:33.15 | stoned | and toke |
| 06:33.25 | stoned | and I play guitar |
| 06:33.29 | stoned | and I don't pray or fast |
| 06:33.29 | Guerin | you're not getting those 64 virgin! |
| 06:33.31 | Guerin | s |
| 06:33.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:33.47 | stoned | yeah, I'm not counting on that shit |
| 06:33.47 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:33.50 | aryal | Guerin: that's 70. |
| 06:33.53 | stoned | I'm getting my virgins here on earth |
| 06:33.59 | stoned | thats why I'm here in america |
| 06:34.01 | stoned | :D |
| 06:34.05 | Guerin | "every time you have a beer, allah gives one of your virgins to a mujahed' |
| 06:34.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:34.19 | Guerin | stupid enter key |
| 06:34.25 | sanmarcos | second time |
| 06:34.27 | cougar` | I feel like askin' this question here .... |
| 06:34.35 | cougar` | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.41 | SpeedyG | Guerin: isnt that with pigs as well? :P |
| 06:34.42 | sanmarcos | cougar`, not you |
| 06:34.52 | Guerin | cougar`: the ip locator's connections to other nameserver |
| 06:34.52 | sanmarcos | cougar`, nations are assigned ip blocs |
| 06:34.53 | Guerin | s |
| 06:35.10 | cougar` | Well, MY friend who is on Verizon gets no results for his IP... Yet my IP is wide open towards information. |
| 06:35.10 | Guerin | SpeedyG: i rather think so |
| 06:35.31 | sanmarcos | cougar`, he must be on the shit |
| 06:35.31 | Guerin | cougar`: tell him to use a different nameserver |
| 06:35.32 | cougar` | http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm |
| 06:35.35 | SpeedyG | Guerin: http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/01.htm <= look at that comic ;) |
| 06:35.38 | Guerin | !dns |
| 06:36.02 | cougar` | Well, isn't it good, like for security reasons, not to have your IP located? |
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| 06:36.24 | Guerin | cougar`: like 2.4.4.[1-6] |
| 06:36.33 | Guerin | cougar`: no, obscurity is a waste of time |
| 06:37.22 | cougar` | Guerin: Please explain if you will. |
| 06:37.47 | Guerin | cougar`: hiding something doesn't give you any real security benefit over just making it unusable |
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| 06:38.02 | Guerin | cougar`: for instance, if a port is closed, it's about as secure as if it's closed and masked |
| 06:38.27 | cougar` | Okay. |
| 06:38.49 | aryal | cougar`: most of the time, crackers port scan you. not look you up in iplocater. |
| 06:38.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:39.09 | Guerin | or they just try random ip ranges |
| 06:39.25 | aryal | yeah.. |
| 06:39.41 | zorton | seen any port scanner webpages? |
| 06:39.59 | zorton | I occasionaly want to have a scan done but frequenctly don't ahve root on a remote machine |
| 06:40.07 | simonrvn | man, amazing even 128 MB can do for a box... |
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| 06:40.29 | stoned | yes |
| 06:40.42 | pstickne | simonrvn, it's even better when you never use swap. lots better. |
| 06:40.42 | aryal | zorton: i can have it done for you if you'd like ;) |
| 06:40.46 | enouf | zorton: grc.com |
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| 06:40.54 | zorton | aryal: sure |
| 06:40.59 | zorton | enouf: thanks |
| 06:41.04 | Gokee2_Laptop | My xserver won`t start. It can not init a bunch of fonts then it has a fatal server error: "could not open default font 'fixed'" "XIO; fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on xserver ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining." Anyone know whats wrong? thanks |
| 06:41.06 | aryal | zorton: i was just kidding. |
| 06:41.11 | cougar` | OKay: THanks for the explanation. Appreciate it. |
| 06:41.32 | simonrvn | !tell Gokee2_Laptop about xfonts-base |
| 06:41.42 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 06:41.43 | aryal | zorton: but i could scan stuff for you if you want. |
| 06:42.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:42.16 | simonrvn | !tell Gokee2_Laptop about xfonts |
| 06:42.20 | zorton | aryal: nah, this grc site looks decent |
| 06:42.26 | Guerin | my university, when explaining why outbound ssh connections work from some terminals and not others said "it's the firewall" |
| 06:42.29 | Gokee2_Laptop | simonrvn, ah thanks |
| 06:42.30 | simonrvn | there :) |
| 06:42.34 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 06:43.00 | Tallu | I usually dont scan for people, mostly because you never know if its their ip their asking you to scan, could be just generating traffic to a 3rd party company or whatever :) |
| 06:43.06 | Guerin | and when I asked what the open ports were supposed to be, they said that it was a secret and that if I had to know i could write (!) to the head of computer security |
| 06:43.17 | zorton | heh |
| 06:43.35 | zorton | I port scanned my upstream router one time and got a nasty gram phone call |
| 06:43.53 | zorton | I called them back and explained that portscanning isn't illegal and they could kiss my A$$ |
| 06:44.06 | Gokee2_Laptop | simonrvn, It this new? I have not ran into this problem before. |
| 06:44.22 | sanmarcos | why do guards in airports have to have sub-machine guns? |
| 06:44.26 | Guerin | i told them if I wanted to find out, I could, I was just trying to save them some technician time investigating why they'd been scanned |
| 06:44.34 | Guerin | SpeedyG: terrrrrists |
| 06:44.37 | Guerin | sanmarcos: |
| 06:44.39 | Tallu | zorton: should have asked them if they know if hacking into the maintainance signal is considered illegal.. some of them most likely freak over that :P |
| 06:44.44 | linux2 | just some quick help hopefully. i have kde. and no matter how many times i set the clock it keeps getting changed back to something completely wrong at boot. i remember saying durring debian install that the system time is utc |
| 06:44.45 | zorton | sonmarcos: better question, why do cops need guns |
| 06:44.50 | linux2 | how do i fix this? |
| 06:44.52 | simonrvn | Gokee2_Laptop: shit happens *shrug* |
| 06:44.54 | linux2 | change it to not be utc |
| 06:45.01 | SpeedyG | hehe, thats the second time you did that Guerin ;P |
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| 06:45.02 | sanmarcos | zorton, if they didnt have guns, nobody would give a crap bout them |
| 06:45.02 | linux2 | cause my clock in my bios is set to EST |
| 06:45.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm |
| 06:45.03 | aryal | Tallu: hadn't thought of that. being helpful these days doesn't pay. :( |
| 06:45.08 | linux2 | or my local timezobe |
| 06:45.14 | linux2 | zone* |
| 06:45.18 | sanmarcos | !ntpdate |
| 06:45.19 | dpkg | somebody said ntpdate was a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 06:45.26 | zorton | Tallu: I wanted to play nice, afterall I push alot of traffic through this tiny link |
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| 06:45.41 | sanmarcos | linux2, change it at your setup |
| 06:45.43 | simonrvn | linux2: set it to UTC, put 'export TZ=EST5EDT' in ~/.bash_profile |
| 06:45.46 | sanmarcos | linux2, i.e bios first |
| 06:45.49 | Tallu | aryal: really doesnt :( |
| 06:45.55 | Tallu | zorton: heheh okay |
| 06:46.26 | zorton | sanmarcos: or perhaps they would have to use their "social skills" instead of going all militant all the time |
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| 06:46.37 | sergio___ | anyone knows if is it possible to disable the web interface of cups? |
| 06:47.07 | simonrvn | you find out, *then* go ballistic if need be. not before. it's called polite |
| 06:47.19 | sanmarcos | zorton, wouldnt it be nice!, but even in star trek: tng they have security officers, i mean, nothing is going to change for a long time |
| 06:47.22 | dondelelcaro | sergio___: it should be possible, but since it only binds to localhost and is pretty well protected, there's really no reason. |
| 06:47.32 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro strikes again! |
| 06:47.38 | enouf | Linux2 -- 1st -- in KDE go into Control Center |
| 06:47.49 | enouf | linux2 |
| 06:47.49 | sanmarcos | simonrvn, do you get paid for being here? |
| 06:47.51 | aryal | Tallu: maybe should have asked that netcat be run on a privileged port and send something over and ask what the content was or some such.. |
| 06:47.55 | linux2 | enouf, my setup in kde is set to est |
| 06:48.01 | Guerin | sanmarcos: haha, that's a good one. |
| 06:48.04 | simonrvn | sanmarcos: no. like everyone else |
| 06:48.05 | enouf | linux2 ^^^^ |
| 06:48.05 | sergio___ | dondelelcaro: yeah I have seen the access control configuration.. |
| 06:48.09 | linux2 | enouf, whenever i reboot it gets reset to like 5 hours earlier |
| 06:48.09 | zorton | sanmarcos: security is never complete, hence their job is never done |
| 06:48.16 | sanmarcos | simonrvn, wht motivates you to answer thousands of questions? |
| 06:48.23 | linux2 | sanmarcos, my bios is set to est |
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| 06:48.32 | simonrvn | sharing what i know, learning stuff, socialising |
| 06:48.33 | enouf | linux2: you need to be root to alter the settings |
| 06:48.45 | sanmarcos | simonrvn, since i;ve been coming here (years), I remember you, abrotman, cafuego, sussudio, Guerin, peterS, dondelelcaro and a couple more |
| 06:49.01 | aryal | what does the iburst option do in ntp.conf? |
| 06:49.04 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:49.04 | cafuego | stop blaming me |
| 06:49.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:49.10 | linux2 | simonrvn, if i add that to my ~/.bash_profile will this prevent the clock from being reset on boot |
| 06:49.13 | linux2 | ? |
| 06:49.36 | simonrvn | linux2: no, just makes it so even if your system is on UTC, your own stuff will be on EST/EDT |
| 06:49.39 | aryal | linux2: do you dual boot? |
| 06:49.56 | simonrvn | but i'm perverse ;) |
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| 06:51.27 | linux2 | aryal, nope |
| 06:51.31 | linux2 | only debian |
| 06:51.41 | aryal | just wondering. |
| 06:51.59 | aryal | well, according to CDT, it's sleepy time. |
| 06:51.59 | linux2 | aryal, can't stand windows, so i don't use it. lol |
| 06:52.30 | aryal | the only windows i use is the one with the glass panels ;) |
| 06:52.48 | aryal | much better scenery. |
| 06:53.00 | aryal | later.. |
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| 06:54.29 | grendal_prime | windows is a pain in the ass..everything is so frigging difficult to set ut it amazes me |
| 06:54.47 | cafuego | grendal_prime: Start -> Shutdown .. a child could do it. |
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| 06:55.33 | grendal_prime | i spent 40 min today trying to figure out how to copy a database from one windows box to another...i had to look at 4 different wizzards..that i had to find first, and then it errored right at the end of the process. |
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| 06:56.13 | grendal_prime | linux. pg_dumpall >/mydir/myfilename.sql |
| 06:56.18 | grendal_prime | done |
| 06:56.45 | grendal_prime | its rediculas...windows takes forever to do anything anymore. |
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| 06:57.30 | Tallu | dont see how that has anything to do with debian though :) |
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| 06:58.23 | glontu | hello |
| 06:58.34 | glontu | how can i see what packages i have installed in debian ? |
| 06:58.42 | sanmarcos | dpkg -l * |
| 06:58.43 | dpkg | ii * 3.6-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:59.06 | glontu | thanks |
| 06:59.16 | sanmarcos | actually skip the * |
| 06:59.24 | sanmarcos | it will glob.. you dont want that |
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| 07:00.03 | sanmarcos | glontu, you can even do cool stuff such as dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 07:00.17 | sanmarcos | glontu, but I suggest you man dpkg. It is the bomb |
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| 07:03.11 | sanmarcos | dpkg -l|grep ^ii actually glontu |
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| 07:05.19 | sanmarcos | are there any text mode spreadsheet apps available ? |
| 07:05.23 | sanmarcos | like visicalc |
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| 07:07.16 | stray_ | sanmarcos, why text mode? |
| 07:07.46 | sanmarcos | because I need a simple spreadsheet in console |
| 07:08.01 | DocOC | sanmarcos: there are some, but you will need to make the choice on your own, because I've never used one and can't reccomend. aptitude search "~dspreadsheet" |
| 07:08.08 | sanmarcos | GNU oleo :) |
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| 07:08.40 | zorton | is udev prefered for the /dev/ tree now? |
| 07:08.55 | sanmarcos | !udev |
| 07:08.55 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable |
| 07:09.20 | zorton | thanks |
| 07:09.25 | pstickne | DocOC, where is a good place to find info ~x things? |
| 07:09.36 | stray_ | sanmarcos, you can probably get 123 to run in dosemu.. |
| 07:09.43 | sanmarcos | pstickne, DocOC what is ~x and ~d ? |
| 07:10.08 | pstickne | sanmarcos, ~x is my placeholder for ~d, ~s, ~others :) I don't know that ~d is. |
| 07:10.12 | stray_ | there's also sc, but I haven't tried it yet. |
| 07:10.26 | DocOC | ahh, well it's in the aptitude reference manual, which is unfortunately html files. |
| 07:10.53 | DocOC | pstickne: ~d is for 'description' |
| 07:12.29 | sanmarcos | nice, aptitude really rocks |
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| 07:13.09 | pstickne | sanmarcos, just wait until you get the bug. |
| 07:13.21 | pstickne | sanmarcos, the never-ending undo-able go's. |
| 07:13.27 | pstickne | sanmarcos, and hiding the 404 messages. |
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| 07:13.55 | sanmarcos | what would you use instead? I only use it when I am doing large scale operations |
| 07:14.03 | pstickne | *shrug* |
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| 07:15.56 | roger21 | hi |
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| 07:17.32 | DocOC | pstickne: I've never heard of anyone having the types of problems you are describing with aptitude. |
| 07:17.33 | k-man_ | how can i force a chkdsk when i reboot? |
| 07:17.35 | pstickne | sanmarcos, dselect if you can understand it. it's not nearly as userfriendly as aptitude. |
| 07:17.51 | sanmarcos | k-man_, touch /forcefsck |
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| 07:17.54 | pstickne | DocOC, I get them all the time--multiple times. |
| 07:17.57 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 07:18.12 | pstickne | DocOC, I get "x going to be installed", hit go, does nothing, comes back to the same place |
| 07:18.42 | DocOC | pstickne: you need to hit go twice in a row. The first time it just shows you what it is going to do. |
| 07:18.52 | pstickne | DocOC, sometimes you can get it to go by just doing one at a time. earily it was suggested aptitude purge and reinstall. |
| 07:18.56 | pstickne | DocOC, I know |
| 07:19.04 | pstickne | DocOC, and after it "does it" it has the same state |
| 07:19.07 | sanmarcos | I always purge when I remove |
| 07:19.16 | pstickne | DocOC, ie: same packages not installed which are marked for installation |
| 07:19.20 | sanmarcos | is it possible to remove packages marked as "rc" |
| 07:19.28 | roger21 | how can i get the .config used to create the kernel i installed (linux-image deb) ? |
| 07:19.45 | pstickne | DocOC, there is a bug referenced in !aptitude IIRC |
| 07:19.57 | DocOC | !aptitude |
| 07:19.58 | dpkg | aptitude is, like, a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 07:20.15 | cahoot | roger21: look in /boot |
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| 07:20.39 | roger21 | cahoot, yep thanx :) |
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| 07:22.42 | peterS | SlayahXP! |
| 07:22.50 | knowwho | drivers/pnp/manager.c: In function `pnp_assign_port': |
| 07:22.50 | knowwho | drivers/pnp/manager.c:62: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 07:22.50 | knowwho | Please submit a full bug report, |
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| 07:24.07 | peterS | knowwho: 'internatl compiler error', or 'ICE', is sometimes a gcc bug, but often just a problem with your memory. try the same thing again to see if it fails in exactly the same place |
| 07:24.22 | SlayerXP | good morning, octothorpe dweebians |
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| 07:25.14 | McCabe | hello |
| 07:25.26 | sanmarcos | anybody know any good console word processors? (read: not text editors( |
| 07:26.04 | DocOC | pstickne: hmm, seems you're right. Really glad I'm not running stable. |
| 07:26.11 | moshii | sanmarcos: vi + LaTeX |
| 07:26.24 | McCabe | is it possible to override /etc/hosts for your own user ? ie, id like my user to see a different ip for a certain host |
| 07:26.35 | sanmarcos | McCabe, yep |
| 07:27.00 | McCabe | sanmarcos: good news, do you have a pointer for me, ive been unable to finrd anything yet.. |
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| 07:27.56 | sanmarcos | McCabe, man 5 hosts |
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| 07:28.02 | McCabe | sanmarcos: thanks! |
| 07:30.27 | McCabe | sanmarcos: hmm.. perhaps i was unclear: i cannot change /etc/hosts, i need this change only to affect my own user since i have no control of the box.. |
| 07:30.40 | McCabe | sanmarcos: its a temporary thing until the dns changes goes through.. |
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| 07:31.22 | sanmarcos | hmm I dont think so, if you cant change the hosts file |
| 07:31.49 | McCabe | sanmarcos: ok.. hmm.. bugger |
| 07:32.02 | McCabe | sanmarcos: thanks anyway! |
| 07:32.13 | sanmarcos | sure |
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| 07:34.56 | pstickne | NO! |
| 07:34.59 | pstickne | Arg, it's doing it again. |
| 07:35.09 | pstickne | Trying to install something and everything else wants to be removed :( |
| 07:35.11 | SpeedyG | doing what? |
| 07:35.14 | robin_sz | sigh ... encfs seems not to work in sarge ... I really should file a bugtracker huh? |
| 07:35.34 | robin_sz | or I might just be being stupid ... |
| 07:35.39 | pstickne | SpeedyG, trying to get OpenOffice 2. I can get it... if I uninstall all of Gnome and KDE. |
| 07:35.53 | pstickne | Ohh, and xserver* |
| 07:35.53 | SpeedyG | hmz, that just sucks :/ |
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| 07:36.10 | robin_sz | uninstalling all of KDE is always a good thing, so there are advantages :) |
| 07:36.12 | SpeedyG | wtf.. you'd say OO needs a desktop/window to run on/in :/ |
| 07:36.23 | SpeedyG | lol robin_sz :) |
| 07:36.28 | pstickne | robin_sz, other then the fact I use it, sure. |
| 07:36.50 | robin_sz | are you French? |
| 07:37.12 | pstickne | only French people run KDE? |
| 07:37.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | er.... I just installed alsa-base and alsa-tools but alsamixer turns up "command not found".... Whats the problem? |
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| 07:37.33 | robin_sz | pstickne, it seems partticularly poplular with the French, yes |
| 07:37.34 | cahoot | alsamixer not installed |
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| 07:37.56 | pstickne | robin_sz, no, I'm not french :) |
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| 07:38.16 | SpeedyG | i'd say fluxbox ftw :P |
| 07:38.25 | pstickne | SpeedyG, mkay |
| 07:38.29 | Gokee2_Laptop | cahoot, alsamixer comes with alsa-tools though? |
| 07:38.47 | robin_sz | pstickne, mmm ok, but if you were I would have looked so cool by guessing a persons nationality from their choice of desktop ;) |
| 07:38.52 | pstickne | SpeedyG, I rather like the KDE bar & kasbar -- actually the reasons why I don't use gnome/xfce. |
| 07:39.05 | cahoot | Gokee2_Laptop: no |
| 07:39.21 | SpeedyG | pstickne: I always sticked with KDE for that particular reason |
| 07:39.22 | Gokee2_Laptop | cahoot, then what does it come with? |
| 07:39.47 | pstickne | SpeedyG, have you use Yakuake? :) |
| 07:39.51 | SpeedyG | but now that i've got fluxbox a bit configged, it feels much better than KDE |
| 07:39.54 | pstickne | That's another great reason :P |
| 07:39.58 | Gokee2_Laptop | After installing alsa-base and alsa-tools I have always had everything I needed.... until not |
| 07:40.00 | cahoot | Gokee2_Laptop: alsamixergui |
| 07:40.05 | roger21 | i put Xcorsor.theme: redglass in my .Xresources file but i don't get it, what else do i need ? |
| 07:40.19 | Gokee2_Laptop | cahoot, But I don`t want a gui |
| 07:40.23 | pstickne | SpeedyG, KDEWM also > metacity (yeah, yeah, sawfish/flux/black/small/wmii, whatever :x) |
| 07:40.28 | sanmarcos | Gokee2, alsamixer |
| 07:40.37 | Gokee2_Laptop | I want the nice old konsole mixer |
| 07:41.22 | sanmarcos | aumix? alsamixer? |
| 07:41.27 | pstickne | I use alsamixer in yakuake :) F12 + shift <- or -> as needed and in alsamixer :) |
| 07:41.30 | Gokee2_Laptop | also there is no alsa-config or anything else |
| 07:41.30 | cahoot | Gokee2_Laptop: I was wrong - it should be in alsa-utils |
| 07:41.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | sanmarcos, alsamixer |
| 07:41.53 | SpeedyG | pstickne: I think it's just a matter of taste :P |
| 07:42.10 | pstickne | SpeedyG, indeed it is :) |
| 07:42.21 | Gokee2_Laptop | cahoot, ah thats it! Whats alsa-tools then? |
| 07:42.25 | pstickne | Also Kate is the win :) |
| 07:42.39 | cahoot | Gokee2_Laptop: use pt-cache show alsa-tools |
| 07:42.49 | cahoot | apt-cache |
| 07:42.57 | flurdoing | is there a tool similar to host that can try to resolve every ip in a subnet? |
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| 07:44.10 | pstickne | I completely don't know how to make apt packages not suck. |
| 07:44.22 | Gokee2_Laptop | ah right |
| 07:44.25 | pstickne | Trying dselect and somehow it wants to remove half my system. |
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| 07:44.44 | cahoot | pstickne: mixing sources? |
| 07:45.17 | pstickne | cahoot, maybe... ;x |
| 07:45.35 | cahoot | pstickne: and still complaining about aptitude? |
| 07:45.47 | pstickne | cahoot, aptitude has some bugs that break it. |
| 07:46.02 | cahoot | right |
| 07:46.21 | SpeedyG | pstickne: you on etch/unstable? |
| 07:46.28 | pstickne | no sid! |
| 07:46.48 | SpeedyG | because I can't find OO2.0 in my apt sources |
| 07:46.57 | SpeedyG | at least, not by default |
| 07:47.03 | pstickne | SpeedyG, it gets it from main/testings |
| 07:47.09 | pstickne | SpeedyG, not sure which O.o |
| 07:47.57 | pstickne | right now what has triggered all my removal is removing xfree86-base or core or something. yet I'm using xorg! :x |
| 07:48.49 | pstickne | ohh. hmm. it also took out xorg-server. this is fun. |
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| 07:51.56 | simonrvn | gotta be reeeealy careful when you play with the deps. it can easily go to hell. i was trained on dselect. aptitude is a piece of cake |
| 07:52.25 | simonrvn | reeeeally even |
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| 07:53.49 | knowwho | peterS: is it possible to install a kernel by just doing: make; make install |
| 07:53.49 | knowwho | ? |
| 07:53.50 | pstickne | I'm liking dselect much more. Still kinda lost but *shrug* |
| 07:54.11 | peterS | knowwho: maybe. why though? |
| 07:54.16 | pstickne | knowwho, yes. but don't do that. it will make it harder to cleanup. |
| 07:54.33 | simonrvn | there were a couple of things with dselect that i didn't like. i found it very static in its behaviour |
| 07:54.52 | knowwho | i tried 'make-kpkg' but i always get this error |
| 07:54.58 | knowwho | is there any other way? |
| 07:55.10 | simonrvn | peterS: good morning sir. up late too, eh? :) |
| 07:55.16 | peterS | simonrvn: quite so |
| 07:55.19 | SpeedyG | knowwho: what kind of error? |
| 07:55.30 | knowwho | drivers/pnp/manager.c: In function `pnp_assign_port': |
| 07:55.36 | knowwho | drivers/pnp/manager.c:62: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 07:55.45 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 07:55.55 | simonrvn | um, checked your RAMrecently? |
| 07:56.07 | peterS | knowwho: you didn't listen to me last time, did you? |
| 07:56.18 | knowwho | peterS: ? |
| 07:56.25 | knowwho | peterS: i tried it again, i got the same error |
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| 07:56.55 | simonrvn | peterS: same place (his error)? |
| 07:57.06 | peterS | simonrvn: it seems so |
| 07:57.12 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 07:57.21 | peterS | knowwho: yeah so it's a gcc bug and you won't make it go away by using or not using make-kpkg |
| 07:57.27 | simonrvn | oh, it's an ICE |
| 07:57.31 | peterS | yes, it's an ICE |
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| 07:57.41 | simonrvn | fucked :) |
| 07:57.43 | knowwho | what should i do then? |
| 07:57.51 | simonrvn | until it's fixed |
| 07:58.23 | knowwho | what about reinstalling gcc? |
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| 07:58.24 | cahoot | knowwho: excluded corrupt download or fs? |
| 07:58.24 | SpeedyG | ICE? internal compiler error? |
| 07:58.31 | Vratha | hello friends |
| 07:58.58 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: yes |
| 07:59.01 | knowwho | cahoot: what do you mean? |
| 07:59.08 | SpeedyG | ghe :) acronymfinder++ ;) |
| 07:59.27 | knowwho | what should i do |
| 07:59.29 | knowwho | ? |
| 07:59.47 | Vratha | i have debian-sarge setup, and i have both the etch and sarge in my sources.list... i also have an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/APT file that says to use the "stable" distro by default... but when i do "apt-get install -t testing mozilla-firefox", it says it isn't going to go ahead and upgrade to some things in the -testing release even though i said "-t testing" on the command line |
| 07:59.50 | simonrvn | you can't do anything right now |
| 07:59.53 | Vratha | why is that? |
| 08:00.01 | knowwho | why? |
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| 08:00.14 | simonrvn | re-read what was said to you |
| 08:00.17 | knowwho | !ice |
| 08:00.18 | dpkg | i guess ice is Intrusion Countermeasures Electronics. In Circut Emulator |
| 08:00.33 | knowwho | <simonrvn> fucked :) |
| 08:00.33 | knowwho | <knowwho> what should i do then? |
| 08:00.33 | knowwho | <simonrvn> until it's fixed |
| 08:00.44 | knowwho | what about reinstalling gcc? |
| 08:00.57 | simonrvn | !ice is also Internal Compiler Error. This is a bug in the compiler, and you should file a bug on the compiler. |
| 08:00.58 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 08:01.00 | cahoot | knowwho: what version av gcc? |
| 08:01.05 | cahoot | of |
| 08:01.36 | knowwho | Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/specs |
| 08:01.40 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: you've made that msg rahter ugly now ;) |
| 08:01.48 | roger21 | how can i set the redglass cursor theme (using fvwm) ? |
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| 08:02.24 | simonrvn | roger21: set it in ~/.Xresources |
| 08:02.28 | Vratha | anyone have any idea about why "apt-get -t testing install firefox" gives errors saying it can't install because it wants to use dependencies from -stable instead of -testing? |
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| 08:02.33 | knowwho | simonrvn: what about reinstalling gcc? |
| 08:02.36 | Siddharta999 | hello everybody |
| 08:02.45 | simonrvn | Xcursor.theme: darkglass |
| 08:02.53 | simonrvn | or redglass, or ... |
| 08:03.08 | simonrvn | knowwho: that won't change anything |
| 08:03.14 | knowwho | why? |
| 08:03.32 | simonrvn | because it's the same code |
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| 08:03.51 | knowwho | i just compiled a fucking kernel earlier, i just deleted it coz i used "make" instead of "make-kpkg" |
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| 08:04.09 | simonrvn | the code that made the compiler needs fixing. until that happens, it will error out like that |
| 08:04.26 | knowwho | i see what you're saying |
| 08:04.32 | roger21 | simonrvn, it doesn't work |
| 08:04.34 | knowwho | so its not the kernel |
| 08:04.36 | simonrvn | ok. did you run make clean in-between that? and you don't need to get pissed. |
| 08:04.44 | peterS | unless make-kpkg uses a different compiler than make does, which is possible |
| 08:04.46 | simonrvn | roger21: because i wasn't done yet |
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| 08:04.53 | roger21 | ok |
| 08:05.00 | knowwho | simonrvn: i did |
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| 08:05.16 | simonrvn | roger21: you also need to put in 'xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources' in your ~/.xsession |
| 08:05.17 | knowwho | looks like its running fine now, but we'll see |
| 08:05.19 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:05.21 | pinky_ | How do I set a Soundfont file to load everytime I boot up? |
| 08:05.36 | pinky_ | Sound Blaster Audigy (emu10k1 card) here |
| 08:05.39 | simonrvn | peterS: yeh true |
| 08:05.48 | enouf | VrathaL what does this say 'apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox' |
| 08:05.56 | pinky_ | asfxload *.sf2 works fine, but I think I have to do it everytime I boot. |
| 08:06.01 | enouf | Vratha : |
| 08:06.20 | Vratha | enouf: let me paste somewhere, hang on |
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| 08:06.54 | Vratha | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Jld44D54.html |
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| 08:07.42 | Vratha | i set the Pin-Priority for etch to -10 and for stable to 900 |
| 08:08.00 | Vratha | but i thought "-t testing" overrode any settings for package selection |
| 08:08.09 | litage | is there any reason to not make partitions such as /var/ or /tmp/ as primary (rather than logical) partitions? |
| 08:08.33 | knowwho | simonrvn: or it was prolly my screensaver that caused this ice thing |
| 08:08.44 | enouf | Vratha : well you Etch entry is at -10 - you certainly won't be d/l any packages from that version |
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| 08:08.50 | enouf | your* |
| 08:08.55 | simonrvn | i don't see how it would...? |
| 08:09.14 | Vratha | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html -- according to this i can |
| 08:09.18 | Vratha | and in the past i've done it fine |
| 08:09.27 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 08:09.31 | Vratha | scan for "-t testing" there |
| 08:09.32 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
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| 08:09.38 | knowwho | you said something about my ram, well i only have 192MB, prolly aint enough to compile + screensaver |
| 08:09.39 | Vratha | -t testing manually overrides package selection |
| 08:09.40 | knowwho | you think so |
| 08:09.43 | enouf | Vratha : No the -t just tells it to use that target first - but still in accordance wiuth pinning priority |
| 08:09.52 | simonrvn | knowwho: nah, it's ok |
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| 08:09.57 | enouf | with* |
| 08:10.04 | simonrvn | might be a bit slow, but that's all |
| 08:10.08 | Vratha | enouf: well what should i do then? i only want to use testing when i manually say so |
| 08:10.26 | enouf | Vratha : A few issues here .. |
| 08:11.02 | enouf | Vratha: you may need something as HUGE as a newer libc6 library to use a newer version of Mozilla/firefox -- I don't knwo yet |
| 08:11.15 | simonrvn | knowwho: why i mentioned it is because bad RAM can kill the compilers. in fact, running a build is a good real-world test (other than memtest) |
| 08:11.18 | Vratha | yeah, that'd be fine... if that's necessary, i'll just upgrade |
| 08:11.27 | enouf | Vratha: If something like that is the case - best to check out backports.org |
| 08:11.37 | Vratha | oh, backports... forgot about that |
| 08:11.43 | Vratha | i'll give that a try first |
| 08:11.57 | knowwho | i see |
| 08:11.57 | enouf | Vratha: ...upgrade - and there's the rub -- you'd need to take everything up to etch |
| 08:12.07 | pstickne | Whoo. Finally got it sorted. I think :) |
| 08:12.11 | enouf | Vratha: yeah see bpo ;-) |
| 08:12.46 | pstickne | I have newer lib6, no problems .... now ;) |
| 08:12.53 | pstickne | err, libc6 |
| 08:12.54 | Vratha | enouf: well i'll try backports... on my debian virtual servers at the university that i admin, i do "-t testing" just fine... don't know what is different |
| 08:13.16 | pstickne | something about pinning? |
| 08:13.23 | simonrvn | memtest is better though, because you can get at the memory that would get taken up by the kernel ordinarily |
| 08:13.38 | enouf | Vratha: Also note there's a way to manipulate the apt.conf and apt_preferences files correctly (to a degree) to achieve what yiou'd want -- but I can't be that precise |
| 08:13.42 | Vratha | pstickne: possibly; ill check the pinning when i go in tomorrow |
| 08:13.43 | enouf | ^^^ |
| 08:13.59 | pinky_ | Anyone know how to load a soundfont up every boot? (with asfxload) |
| 08:14.30 | enouf | Vratha: you'd need to man pages and/or furhter help from others here |
| 08:14.39 | enouf | s/to/to see |
| 08:14.41 | waiting | pinky_: write an init.d script that does it :o |
| 08:14.43 | Vratha | yeah, i'm reading apt_preferences some |
| 08:15.12 | knowwho | simonrvn: well, i will see, if i get an error again, im trying memtest, else wish me luck! |
| 08:15.14 | liable | hola |
| 08:15.16 | knowwho | im out |
| 08:15.23 | pinky_ | waiting: I'm afraid that particular mode of operation is beyond my understanding at this point in time. |
| 08:15.24 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 08:15.31 | pinky_ | waiting: aka: WTF?!?! |
| 08:15.31 | Vratha | thanks again enouf |
| 08:15.33 | Maulkin | Morning |
| 08:15.34 | waiting | pinky_: it's very easy |
| 08:15.46 | waiting | pinky_: it has places for "start" and "stop" sections |
| 08:15.53 | Vratha | oh, unf.. it's getting the newer firefox from backports :-D |
| 08:16.00 | Maulkin | pinky_: have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton :) |
| 08:16.09 | waiting | pinky_: I mean, you need only "start" so you can let the other stuff do ... nothing |
| 08:16.10 | enouf | Vratha: also do yourself a favor and always run apt-cache rdepends <packagename> before attempting so you know what's trying to pulled in -- you can also simulate the install using the -s option with apt-get |
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| 08:16.26 | enouf | Vratha: ^_^ |
| 08:16.33 | Vratha | enouf: ok; i'll remember that, or i'll look it up in the man pages when i forget |
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| 08:17.50 | pinky_ | waiting: I'll read up on it eventually, but you have to understand I know nothing about that part of the OS. |
| 08:18.46 | waiting | pinky_: it's the best part |
| 08:18.51 | waiting | pinky_: it's called systemv |
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| 08:19.09 | pinky_ | waiting: System V? As in UNIX System V? Isn't that an OS in and of itself? |
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| 08:19.25 | waiting | pinky_: it was, a long time ago, in a galaxy far away |
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| 08:20.47 | liable | !what are we going to do tonight? |
| 08:20.47 | dpkg | liable: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 08:20.49 | pstickne | dselect > aptitude > synaptic |
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| 08:21.11 | pinky_ | waiting: Weeelll why are you refering to "systemv" as *part* of GNU/Linux? |
| 08:21.39 | waiting | GNU/Linux has two parts: GNU and Linux |
| 08:21.46 | Vratha | gah! where in the gaim preferences are the options to tell it what browser to open on links? i can't freakin' find it anywhere! |
| 08:21.47 | pinky_ | liable: =/ haaaaa...ha |
| 08:21.56 | pinky_ | waiting: I know, heh |
| 08:22.01 | waiting | however, Linux is a System V |
| 08:22.15 | Vratha | no, debian is |
| 08:22.15 | pinky_ | A kernel can be a "System V"? |
| 08:22.30 | Vratha | no |
| 08:22.31 | waiting | the kernel can go boil its head |
| 08:22.35 | SlayerXP | waiting: slackware didn't use a sysv init for quite some time. |
| 08:22.41 | waiting | the kernel is just a mass of code |
| 08:22.48 | waiting | we are talking systems here |
| 08:22.59 | pinky_ | waiting: I know, but you said that the Linux kernel *IS* a System V. |
| 08:23.11 | waiting | pinky_: no, that's what you said |
| 08:23.16 | pinky_ | <waiting> however, Linux is a System V |
| 08:23.19 | pinky_ | 0_o |
| 08:23.20 | waiting | pinky_: I never talked about the kernel |
| 08:23.28 | pinky_ | Isn't that what Linux is? |
| 08:23.34 | waiting | pinky_: no? |
| 08:23.45 | waiting | pinky_: Linux had many kernels with many different designs |
| 08:23.49 | pinky_ | Hrrmmmm |
| 08:23.58 | waiting | they change frequently |
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| 08:24.11 | pinky_ | I'm pretty sure that Linux is just a kernel. That's what everyone seems to say, anyway. |
| 08:24.11 | Vratha | linux is not and never will be "a system v" |
| 08:24.17 | pinky_ | Everyone including Wikipedia. |
| 08:24.21 | waiting | pinky_: no, only you say that :) |
| 08:24.27 | pinky_ | ....... |
| 08:24.36 | waiting | pinky_: Linus T. from finland for example says that Linux is a registered trademark |
| 08:24.36 | Vratha | pinky_: yeah, i don't get him either |
| 08:24.50 | pstickne | pinky_, Linus says OS, it depends on weather you think a kernel is the OS or if an OS require additional programs to make it an OS (eg: GNU\Linux via RMS :) |
| 08:25.06 | pstickne | err, ...kernel requires... |
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| 08:25.28 | waiting | so anyhow |
| 08:25.30 | pinky_ | waiting: Linux having a trademark on a name has nothing to do with what the piece of code that name is in real life. |
| 08:25.35 | pinky_ | *Linus |
| 08:25.41 | waiting | pinky_: that's what you say |
| 08:25.46 | waiting | pinky_: :) |
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| 08:26.02 | waiting | pinky_: because you have been told to think that. I understand you :) |
| 08:26.09 | pinky_ | waiting: Okay, so Microsoft has a trademark on the name Xbox. is Xbox a kernel as well? |
| 08:26.15 | Vratha | yes |
| 08:26.18 | pinky_ | Haha |
| 08:26.19 | waiting | pinky_: are you on drugs? :O |
| 08:26.24 | pinky_ | waiting: Yes. |
| 08:26.28 | waiting | ok ;) |
| 08:26.57 | pinky_ | That really doesn't have anything to do with this, though. |
| 08:27.00 | waiting | anyhow, it's not as bad as it seems |
| 08:27.18 | waiting | there eveolved two partially contradictional design possibilities in the UNIX evolution |
| 08:27.31 | waiting | they are simplified refered to as "BSD" and "SystemV" |
| 08:27.38 | waiting | and Linux is from the latter |
| 08:27.50 | waiting | but that's no need to waorry, that's far in the past |
| 08:27.52 | waiting | however! |
| 08:27.58 | pinky_ | It's just odd that your proof that Linux is an entire Operating System besides just a kernel is that it's creator has a trademark on the name. That fact has *nothing* to do with what Linux is or isn't. |
| 08:28.02 | waiting | init.d woks the SystemV way |
| 08:28.07 | pstickne | waiting, what were the SysV/BSD differences? |
| 08:28.17 | pstickne | waiting, but not all distros use SysV-like startups |
| 08:28.22 | waiting | pstickne: BSD was from berkeley, SystemV not |
| 08:28.23 | pinky_ | Like Slackware |
| 08:28.36 | pstickne | pinky_, but there is a SysV startup package ;) |
| 08:28.36 | pinky_ | waiting: I know what you're telling me, and I know it's far more complex than that. |
| 08:28.43 | pinky_ | pstickne: true |
| 08:28.47 | Vratha | alright, in gaim, WHERE THE HELL is the option in preferences that lets me choose which browser gets opened when i click on a link |
| 08:28.48 | waiting | pinky_: oha |
| 08:28.53 | waiting | pinky_: even more complex ^^ |
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| 08:29.21 | pstickne | Well, what about Linux supports SysV SHM or BSD accounting? |
| 08:29.35 | waiting | pstickne: Linux "supports" something? |
| 08:29.47 | pstickne | waiting, the kernel has support. |
| 08:29.59 | waiting | pstickne: "the kernel"is just a thing :) |
| 08:30.10 | waiting | pstickne: do you code? |
| 08:30.10 | sanmarcos | Vratha, #gaim |
| 08:30.16 | sanmarcos | Vratha, system wide? check update-alternatives |
| 08:30.23 | pstickne | waiting, what about Linux both containing code to handle System V SHM and BSD accounting? |
| 08:30.24 | pinky_ | I still say that Linux is just a kernel. |
| 08:30.37 | Vratha | sanmarcos: alright, i'll ask there |
| 08:30.39 | waiting | pstickne: again, have you ever coded with either of both? |
| 08:30.43 | roger21 | simonrvn, thanx, adding xrdb -merge is not necesary but having the xcursor-theme package installed is necesary :p so it was a bit harder |
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| 08:31.09 | pstickne | waiting, what difference does it make? xorg/fglrx uses SHM. I'm sure others have used BSD-style accounting. |
| 08:31.13 | waiting | pstickne: I need not waste my time with the laimans when we are taling intrinsics :) |
| 08:31.17 | tralala | isn't sysV or bsd just a style of init? Isn't the kernel just booting the machine and then giving the control to the init process to take care of everything else? |
| 08:31.54 | pstickne | Was/is System V a trademark? |
| 08:32.09 | waiting | it's easy to say something abstract like a "kernel" had some "support" for a "mtheod" |
| 08:32.18 | waiting | if you never actually worked with that |
| 08:32.26 | pinky_ | pstickne: If so, it must be a game console! |
| 08:32.28 | roger21 | or is it |
| 08:32.37 | moshii | tralala: that's what happends in linux's case |
| 08:33.16 | tralala | moshii: is bsd different? |
| 08:33.22 | moshii | tralala: it's how initial ramdsiks and all that stuff work |
| 08:33.35 | tralala | and unix in general? |
| 08:33.38 | waiting | pstickne: btw I could claim that you want to flee! you are talking X window now, which is neither GNU nor Linux (and runs on BSD, too) |
| 08:33.41 | moshii | tralala: a BSD in more connected with it's userland than linux is |
| 08:33.52 | pstickne | moshii, but Linux is moving that way... |
| 08:33.56 | pstickne | moshii, slowly ;) |
| 08:33.57 | moshii | linux is a kernel with a bunch of bsd and gnu pasted on top |
| 08:34.42 | moshii | pstickne: to be honest, the only thing that makes bsds and linuxs different if the hardware you can get working and how painful managing packages is |
| 08:34.44 | tralala | moshii: you mean there is more than the init process in cooperation with the bsd kernel? |
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| 08:35.06 | pstickne | moshii, that varies simply between Linux distributions though ;P |
| 08:35.39 | waiting | now, if sysviit is so unimportant, then why, after all these years it is still there? :) |
| 08:35.47 | moshii | pstickne: indeed, after you've got your hardware and software installed what nix you run is of little importance |
| 08:36.08 | pstickne | moshii, mostly, yes. |
| 08:36.17 | waiting | ls /etc/inittab || echo I was wrong |
| 08:36.46 | pstickne | waiting, it works well enough, why change it? |
| 08:37.00 | waiting | pstickne: exactly :D |
| 08:37.02 | moshii | tralala: I suppose linux is built to accept a range of different stuff sitting on top of it, the netbsd kernel expects a netbsd system to sit on it |
| 08:37.06 | waiting | pstickne: I agree :) |
| 08:37.10 | Vratha | waiting: inertia |
| 08:37.23 | waiting | pstickne: I have witnessed attempts to replace it tho ^^ |
| 08:37.38 | pstickne | waiting, if there was a real benefit... |
| 08:37.38 | waiting | pstickne: was no fun to watch that, believe me ^^ |
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| 08:37.55 | moshii | pstickne: try initng sometime |
| 08:37.56 | tralala | moshii: oh, I see now. |
| 08:38.00 | waiting | one wanted to rewrite it in perl :)) |
| 08:38.06 | moshii | pstickne: buggy but very very quick |
| 08:38.09 | waiting | I think he went crazy OSLT |
| 08:38.14 | pstickne | waiting, that's just pure ignorance :x |
| 08:38.30 | waiting | :X |
| 08:38.49 | waiting | he's much better today - does not work with computers anymore ^^ |
| 08:38.54 | pstickne | haha |
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| 08:39.14 | moshii | tralala: you should try building a single disk distro using one of the tutorials |
| 08:39.17 | Vratha | if you want to lock up your system, then as root execute this C/asm code on x86: "iopl(3); for (size_t m = 0x0E000; m < 0xFFFFF; m+=sizeof(size_t)) unsigned val = inl(m);" |
| 08:39.18 | pstickne | damn white medium-haired cat |
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| 08:39.26 | moshii | tralala: gives your a better understanding of things :) |
| 08:39.32 | waiting | well anyhow, sometimes I feel as if this "is Linux better called GNU/Linux" was a little artificial a debate |
| 08:39.37 | Vratha | it'll lock up your system like no tomorrow |
| 08:39.39 | faber3 | how can i bring up an interface which is configured in /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 08:39.45 | waiting | I call GNU/Linux what I _use_ |
| 08:39.55 | pstickne | waiting, of course it is. |
| 08:40.00 | sep | faber3, ifup interface |
| 08:40.05 | moshii | waiting: GNU/Linux is an operating system |
| 08:40.12 | sep | faber3, add auto interfacename in interface to get it up on boot |
| 08:40.12 | pstickne | waiting, I just say Linux unless I want to try and get into a semantic war. |
| 08:40.19 | moshii | waiting: GNU - Userland, Linux - Kernel |
| 08:40.25 | pstickne | moshii, well, not really. That's just GNU and Linux shoved into a word. |
| 08:40.39 | tralala | moshii: I'm only weekly interested in the boot process. I just thought linux was using the unix way of booting and not one of its own. |
| 08:41.10 | Vratha | language is dynamic; people call Linux "Linux" when they mean both the kernel and OS.. the GNU folks may not like it, but that's how it is |
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| 08:41.23 | waiting | hm, gotta agree, Vratha |
| 08:41.37 | Humanoid | I upgraded xserver-xorg to the latest testing version, and ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works at all. |
| 08:41.49 | pstickne | Humanoid, excellent. |
| 08:41.59 | moshii | Vratha: what if someone builds their own incompatiable userland and just refers to it as linux? |
| 08:42.16 | pstickne | Humanoid, because I just did too. And I'm *pretty sure* mine still works ;) |
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| 08:42.38 | moshii | *imcompatiable |
| 08:42.55 | Vratha | moshii: if it becomes common usage, then it's also linux |
| 08:43.06 | Humanoid | No special keyboard commands work at all. ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work, ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work, and even changing the keyboard layout doesn't work. |
| 08:43.07 | pstickne | moshii, it's mainly to acknowledge/credit others I think. GNU/Linux is pretty useless by itself. I'd much rather use Debian or Slackware ;) |
| 08:43.13 | waiting | "operating system" is a funny word, too :) |
| 08:43.17 | tralala | GNU folks want to take credit but calling it GNU/Linux is appropriate only in cases where the userland *is* actually GNU |
| 08:43.57 | waiting | it's from the ear where the computers started to rid themselves of the ppl who built them :D early matrix style |
| 08:44.02 | waiting | s/ear/era/ |
| 08:44.03 | pstickne | Humanoid, it still works here but there is a good 5 second delay to switch to vcons now. |
| 08:44.04 | moshii | pstickne: the whole thing is pretty vod anyhow, as it should really be GNU&BSD/Linux |
| 08:44.08 | azeem | tralala: which is the case for Debian |
| 08:44.25 | tralala | azeem: indeed |
| 08:44.38 | moshii | when people as "what are you running there" reply debian or whatever |
| 08:44.43 | pstickne | moshii, but compare the BSD/GPL licenses... O.o |
| 08:44.44 | tralala | and for the many (most?) of the popular distros out there |
| 08:44.45 | azeem | moshii: the Debian BSD userland ports have been discontinued |
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| 08:45.21 | moshii | azeem: sure there isn't some BSD code still floating around in the system you're running? |
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| 08:45.31 | linux_user400354 | if i use a dvd burner from another computer with nfs, can i burn dvds to it? |
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| 08:45.42 | moshii | linux_user400354: nope |
| 08:45.44 | azeem | moshii: we're talking about the majorities here |
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| 08:46.25 | waiting | moshii: grep -r BSD /usr/src/linux/ |
| 08:46.31 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, no |
| 08:46.39 | Humanoid | Is there any way I can report a bug on bts without giving out a real email address? |
| 08:46.41 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, I think not, dont know |
| 08:46.43 | moshii | waiting: I mean in the userland,... and I'm on a netbsd machine |
| 08:46.48 | cafuego | grep -r "Stuart Young" /usr/src/linux |
| 08:46.49 | waiting | moshii: :O |
| 08:46.49 | azeem | moshii: it might be that your Linux system will not boot without that BSD code, but I want to see you boot without libc6 |
| 08:46.52 | sanmarcos | Humanoid, spam avoidance, but you an fake it |
| 08:46.52 | tralala | however calling Linux GNU/Linux is not appropriate in all the cases |
| 08:46.58 | pstickne | Humanoid, noemail@foryou.com? |
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| 08:47.08 | waiting | moshii: the grep is fun :) I mean a lot is jus the _word_ "BSD" |
| 08:47.17 | Humanoid | pstickne: Okay, I figured they would ignore the report if I don't give a real email address. |
| 08:47.17 | azeem | but all those cases are off-topic here, hence this discussion is as well |
| 08:47.18 | waiting | moshii: I don't really care btw |
| 08:47.26 | Humanoid | (or get upset) |
| 08:47.28 | cafuego | azeem: Every machine boots without libc6; the kernel does not depend on it ;-) |
| 08:47.43 | pstickne | Humanoid, it'd only know if it mailed back a message and then did something based on if that failed. |
| 08:47.48 | azeem | cafuego: up till the login prompt? |
| 08:47.54 | moshii | azeem: build a ilibc system ;) |
| 08:47.55 | azeem | that's where the boot process stops for me |
| 08:48.03 | moshii | azeem: *ulibc |
| 08:48.11 | azeem | moshii: sure, why not. But it's OFF-TOPIC here |
| 08:48.24 | cafuego | azeem: No, until it spawns init, but the *kernel* has finished booting at that point. |
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| 08:48.48 | waiting | :-)) it's fun to talk this once in a while. for me it's stress relief from all that nonsense cases like SCO UNITtm brought up |
| 08:48.54 | tralala | cafuego: the kernel has, but not the OS |
| 08:49.01 | azeem | cafuego: we're discussing GNU vs. BSD userland, I don't see how the kernel booting is relevant here |
| 08:49.30 | pstickne | SCO UNIT? |
| 08:49.44 | waiting | pstickne: was a typo I did not dare to fix |
| 08:49.45 | azeem | btw, AFAIK there is one "major" BSD based Debian port - Nexentas GNUSorlaris |
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| 08:49.54 | cafuego | azeem: Starting userland tools is not "booting" per se |
| 08:49.54 | bl00dz3r0 | hi how can i know for example |
| 08:49.58 | CrummyGummy | Hi all, how do I make a simple http connection to a server using bash? All I want to do is get simple raw output. |
| 08:49.58 | bl00dz3r0 | on which port run my mysql |
| 08:49.59 | bl00dz3r0 | ? |
| 08:50.01 | peterS | waiting: you're involved in the SCO Unix case? |
| 08:50.09 | waiting | peterS: god beware :O |
| 08:50.10 | bl00dz3r0 | how can i know on which port run mysql for example? |
| 08:50.12 | azeem | cafuego: different definitions, I am not interested in discussing that |
| 08:50.17 | moshii | CrummyGummy: telnet host 80 |
| 08:50.23 | waiting | peterS: *makes three crosses* - means: "no" :) |
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| 08:50.31 | peterS | waiting: 'cause if not, I can't imagine why it would stress you out |
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| 08:50.38 | moshii | CrummyGummy: then look up the http protocol and start typing |
| 08:50.46 | Humanoid | After installing a new version of a package, is there any way to see which version was installed before the upgrade? Or do I have to go to snapshot.debian.net and make a guess? |
| 08:51.00 | CrummyGummy | moshii: This needs to run from a scripts |
| 08:51.02 | bl00dz3r0 | how can i know on which port run mysql for example? |
| 08:51.03 | waiting | peterS: I must agree |
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| 08:51.05 | azeem | Humanoid: testing/unstable has /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 08:51.10 | Vratha | while working on my user-space device driver framework for 2nd gen microkernel OS, i've been making large use of "PC Interrupts" by Ralf Brown, the intel IA-32 volumes, the "80x86 IBM PC and Compatible Computers (vol 2)" books... and all sorts of online reference material and various kernel code |
| 08:51.10 | waiting | peterS: : ) |
| 08:51.15 | Soma | hi |
| 08:51.15 | Vratha | it's a LOT of reading |
| 08:51.27 | tralala | cafuego: booting can have a dual meaning (just as linux) |
| 08:51.27 | bl00dz3r0 | how can i know on which port run mysql for example? |
| 08:51.36 | moshii | CrummyGummy: hmm well all you need is a socket to port 80 |
| 08:51.37 | mmotiwala | hey guys - anyone here have any experience with amd-64> |
| 08:51.37 | Vratha | bl00dz3r0: netstat -antp |
| 08:51.48 | azeem | bl00dz3r0: please don't repeat questions all the time |
| 08:51.54 | tralala | mmotiwala: #debian-amd64 |
| 08:51.57 | peterS | Vratha: dude, if you're using a microkernel, isn't that supposed to insulate you from having to worry about such low-level details? if not, whatever is the point of a microkernel? |
| 08:51.59 | moshii | CrummyGummy: you could write a small app in c to support the script if there isn't something already |
| 08:52.09 | nope^ | hi there .. i've a user "web0" and a group "www" i want that user added to that group .. but not ind the "/etc/passd" file. i want the user added in "/etv/group" but i can't any command that does that |
| 08:52.14 | bl00dz3r0 | tnx man |
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| 08:52.17 | Vratha | peterS: i'm writing the framework; i still have to know those details |
| 08:52.31 | azeem | Vratha: which microkernel? |
| 08:52.33 | linux_user400354 | why is telnet compatible with smtp and http? shouldn't telnet be compatible only with its own protocol? |
| 08:52.37 | waiting | Vratha: the x86 architecture is a weird historical fun ^^ |
| 08:52.40 | Vratha | the point of the uk is to put drivers in their own protected address spaces |
| 08:52.45 | CrummyGummy | moshii: /dev/tcp would do the job( i think) but it seems to be removed in Debian |
| 08:52.49 | Vratha | azeem: minix right now |
| 08:52.59 | giglf | is there software for debian that wil let me use a two monitor set up? |
| 08:53.12 | moshii | giglf: xorg ;) |
| 08:53.14 | Vratha | minix 3 actually has one already, but i'm trying to redesign parts of it to improve it |
| 08:53.22 | liable | CrummyGummy: nc wont do what you want? |
| 08:53.25 | peterS | linux_user400354: the telnet protocol is a very thin layer on top of raw tcp. supporting it from a server mainly means ignoring a few control sequences |
| 08:53.26 | waiting | Vratha: many students ofcomputer-related sciences get access to different platforms as well |
| 08:53.49 | waiting | Vratha: it's just that x86 is a huge market |
| 08:53.50 | Vratha | waiting: yeah, Dragonfly BSD will be my next platform if i succeed in making it work on minix |
| 08:53.54 | Humanoid | azeem: ah, thanks! I see the dpkg.log now. |
| 08:53.55 | tralala | linux_user400354: telnet has no protocol - it simply transfers bytes over the network. This is why you can use it to connect to any tcp server. |
| 08:54.03 | giglf | moshii: what's that? |
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| 08:54.10 | Vratha | waiting: but minix was the easiest place to start |
| 08:54.28 | waiting | Vratha: it's very good source, use it wisely & carefully |
| 08:54.33 | nope^ | can anyone help me with my problem ? |
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| 08:54.48 | moshii | giglf: xorg is an X11 implementation. It can drive multiple displays if you tell it to |
| 08:54.55 | Vratha | waiting: yeah.. well i have to look at monolithic kernel code as well to figure some things out.. just to see how various OS do things |
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| 08:55.03 | linux_user400354 | what did someone say to me? my irc client crashed. |
| 08:55.04 | CrummyGummy | liable: I don't know, maybe I just don't know what to feed it. |
| 08:55.14 | CrummyGummy | it seems to hang |
| 08:55.19 | tralala | linux_user400354: telnet has no protocol - it simply transfers bytes over the network. This is why you can use it to connect to any tcp server. |
| 08:55.24 | waiting | Vratha: I am fascinated by such thing ^^ however I have almost zero experience outside of userland |
| 08:55.31 | moshii | giglf: lookup xinerama |
| 08:55.33 | SpeedyG | why doesnt sarge have OO2.0 :( |
| 08:55.46 | waiting | Vratha: I hakked win2k once tho ;D |
| 08:55.53 | waiting | Vratha: *lols* |
| 08:56.00 | Vratha | waiting: hehehe |
| 08:56.07 | moshii | waiting: start wrinting a kernel in c, there's an example in the grub sources |
| 08:56.12 | tralala | SpeedyG: it doesn't even have OO3.0 |
| 08:56.14 | pstickne | pinky_, and the BraiTiX |
| 08:56.33 | SpeedyG | tralala: and OO4.0 neither :'( |
| 08:56.39 | waiting | moshii: next year maybe :)) I have exams in application design in winter |
| 08:56.55 | giglf | moshii: xinerama is for Xwindows only? What about Gnome? |
| 08:57.17 | moshii | giglf: gnome is running on top of Xwindows ... |
| 08:57.28 | Vratha | oh god, i'd definitely start a kernel in C.. only thing that has to be asm is the boot code, and grub takes care of that for you |
| 08:57.31 | giglf | moshii: aah, thanks |
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| 08:58.04 | peterS | linux_user400354: the telnet protocol is a very thin layer on top of raw tcp. supporting it from a server mainly means ignoring a few control sequences |
| 08:58.06 | JJ|Laptop | so are there any packages i need tl dl for wireless with debian? |
| 08:58.22 | moshii | waiting: if you can get hold of a little embedded board, a 8051 or PIC, and start writing an os for that |
| 08:58.26 | SergioO | problem with mysql and debian . i just apt-get it mysql listen on port but simply i cant connect to mysql server? |
| 08:58.41 | moshii | waiting: my mate did a multitasking os on a 8051 for his degree project |
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| 08:59.18 | mmotiwala | guys - need help with amd-64 |
| 08:59.28 | tralala | SergioO: a firewall problem? |
| 08:59.51 | mmotiwala | tralala: thanks, sorry i missed that msg |
| 08:59.51 | pstickne | SergioO, can't connect from where? |
| 09:00.12 | mmotiwala | tralala: but theres a different problem now, no users there :( |
| 09:00.21 | SergioO | tralala no i dont have fw |
| 09:00.26 | SergioO | its base debian install |
| 09:00.36 | SergioO | i just install debian and apt-get mysql |
| 09:01.01 | tralala | SergioO: is the server actually running? |
| 09:01.20 | wols | tralala: RFCs 854 and 855. telnet is a protocol |
| 09:01.48 | SergioO | tralala i have to boxes i want from one to conect on mysql server on another machine? |
| 09:02.07 | tralala | mmotiwala: there are users there. You have mistyped the channel name |
| 09:02.24 | SpeedyG | SergioO: how are you trying to login? local mysql client or over tcp? |
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| 09:03.21 | SergioO | its says connection refused |
| 09:03.37 | tralala | wols: I figured that an answer simple enough and close enough to the truth is better than an rfc reference |
| 09:03.38 | SpeedyG | SergioO: local mysql client? |
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| 09:04.08 | JonJ | Hm, is mkinitramfs the same as mkinitrd? |
| 09:04.31 | moshii | JonJ: has the same purpose |
| 09:04.38 | SpeedyG | SergioO: did you remove the 'skip networking option' from your my.cnf and bind it to an ip/interface ? |
| 09:04.39 | nope^ | adduser adds the information of group in /etc/passwd .. i need a command that adds it in /etc/group .. plz need help |
| 09:04.41 | sep | JonJ, it replaces mkinitrd but does the same job |
| 09:04.45 | tralala | SpeedyG: check the manuals of mysql and see how to make it work over tcp. Make sure the server is up when you try to connect. |
| 09:04.47 | JonJ | Ok, thanks |
| 09:04.53 | SergioO | SpeedyG no i dont know that |
| 09:04.56 | SergioO | have som docs ? |
| 09:05.03 | SpeedyG | tralala: I know, got it working :) |
| 09:05.06 | sep | uname -a |
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| 09:06.10 | SergioO | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.24 | SergioO | mysql -h192.168.200.4 -uroot -p |
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| 09:06.30 | SergioO | i use that for connect |
| 09:06.38 | SpeedyG | SergioO: look for the 'skip networking' line in the /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 09:06.42 | SpeedyG | is that commented or not? |
| 09:06.49 | SergioO | wait :) |
| 09:07.13 | waiting | SpeedyG: :X :) says nothing |
| 09:07.15 | SergioO | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 09:07.15 | SergioO | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 09:07.15 | SergioO | bind-address |
| 09:07.16 | SergioO | ?? |
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| 09:07.36 | tralala | SergioO: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 09:07.57 | SpeedyG | and then the options below as well |
| 09:08.03 | SergioO | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:08.38 | tralala | SergioO: change the bind addres to whatever network address have |
| 09:08.47 | SergioO | 192.168.200.4 is adress for that machine |
| 09:09.13 | tralala | go ahed and change it then. Restart the server afterwards. |
| 09:09.26 | tralala | *ahead |
| 09:09.35 | SergioO | ok :) |
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| 09:12.46 | SergioO | tralala |
| 09:12.48 | SergioO | http://pastebin.ca/126270 |
| 09:12.49 | SergioO | here is it |
| 09:13.42 | tralala | good, now change it |
| 09:13.47 | giglf | moshii: not able to figure out what to do to connect external monitor, can you give me another hint? |
| 09:14.09 | SergioO | ok :) |
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| 09:22.12 | JonJ | Hm, I just compiled and installed a custom kernel here, and most stuff work okey, except for X, it seems it cannot initialize my mouse, since /dev/input/mice is missing, what do I need to modprobe or compile into the kernel to be able to detect my mouse? |
| 09:22.39 | moshii | JonJ: mousedev |
| 09:22.54 | JonJ | Thanks again! :-) |
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| 09:36.09 | Ash-Fox | I've looked in the man files, but I can't find how one passes build options to ./configure when building packages with 'apt-get --build source'. How does one do that? |
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| 09:36.48 | Guerin | Ash-Fox: edit debian/rules |
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| 09:38.44 | Ash-Fox | Guerin, ah, thankyou =) |
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| 09:51.17 | peterS | I still wonder whether the name 'debian/rules' was intended to game the sucks-rules-o-meter |
| 09:51.42 | Eclipser | huh? |
| 09:51.45 | peterS | that is: counting web search engine hits for 'xxxx sucks' vs. 'xxxx rules' |
| 09:51.57 | Eclipser | aha |
| 09:51.58 | peterS | debian scores high on the sucks-rules-o-meter, partly because of that filename |
| 09:52.34 | Ash-Fox | Well, this is certainly harder than I thought it would be just to change a build flag and compile. |
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| 09:52.45 | SergioO | tralala i forgot to tnx u man x1000 tnx for u |
| 09:53.08 | tralala | SergioO: no prob |
| 09:53.51 | giglf | what's the easiest way to get an external monitor (ACER AL1717) + Debian + Intel 855GM videocard? |
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| 09:56.13 | moshii | giglf: do you know if you have both pipes enabled at the same time on that? |
| 09:56.46 | moshii | giglf: I have the same chipset in my craptop and it's painful getting it to do much with two displays |
| 09:59.36 | giglf | I don't know if pipes are enabled. How do I find that? |
| 09:59.51 | giglf | moshii: I don't know if pipes are enabled. How do I find that? |
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| 10:00.48 | giglf | moshii: I hope it won't be too difficult, I'm getting a flickering screen at wrong resolution right now. |
| 10:01.30 | moshii | giglf: basically the intel chipsets have a pipe for each place you can connect a display,depending on what chipset it is you can switch the pipes, mirror one on the other, or use both |
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| 10:02.02 | moshii | giglf: you need to google your chipset and find out what xfree or xorg can do with it |
| 10:02.55 | Ash-Fox | Guerin, sorry to disturb you. I understand from debian/rules that it's a simple make file that I can use to build the entire package, but I think with all the steps I'm taking, I'm going through a unnatural path. Would you happen to have any examples of how package maintainers edit a source package and repackage it? |
| 10:02.58 | giglf | moshii: working on that now, although it's above my head. I assume I need to edit etc/x11/xorg.conf??? |
| 10:03.29 | Guerin | Ash-Fox: you probably want to read the new maintainers guide |
| 10:03.36 | moshii | giglf: you should be able to find a howto that details the process for you |
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| 10:03.49 | Ash-Fox | Guerin, thanks, I'll look for it. |
| 10:03.52 | Guerin | Ash-Fox: if you need to apply patches to a source, it gets tricky. |
| 10:03.55 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 10:03.56 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 10:04.41 | Ash-Fox | Thanks again :) |
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| 10:07.57 | Sha0 | hi |
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| 10:09.17 | Sha0 | my apt-get doesnt work, it says that jedit packet must be reinstaled :( |
| 10:09.25 | Sha0 | i cannot reinstall it |
| 10:09.37 | Sha0 | does anybody knows how to repair apt? |
| 10:09.55 | Sha0 | apt-get -f install doesnt work |
| 10:11.03 | tenzing_ | is there any application to encode dvd movies into avi? |
| 10:11.08 | moshii | Sha0: apt-get --reinstall install jedit |
| 10:11.25 | Sha0 | doesnt work |
| 10:11.26 | moshii | tenzing_: yes, but not directly in debia |
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| 10:11.28 | moshii | n |
| 10:11.32 | Sha0 | i think the bd is really damaged |
| 10:11.51 | tenzing_ | moshii, how can i get it then |
| 10:11.51 | Sha0 | +++-=======================-=======================-============================================================== |
| 10:11.51 | Sha0 | pHR jedit 04.03.06.00 |
| 10:12.31 | Sha0 | i thik i will isntall gentoo :/ |
| 10:12.36 | liable | tenzing_: mencoder, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 10:12.43 | moshii | tenzing_: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 10:13.51 | sanmarcos | if i createa new partition, with udev not creating device files automatically, do I have to reboot for it to be able to mount? |
| 10:14.10 | sanmarcos | s/automatically/dynamically on the fly while running |
| 10:14.15 | cahoot | sanmarcos: tried restart udev? |
| 10:14.21 | Sha0 | can i repair bd? |
| 10:14.30 | sanmarcos | can it be done while on interactive shell cahoot ? |
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| 10:14.33 | moshii | cahoot: he might have to reset for the partition table update |
| 10:14.40 | Sha0 | i think this is a buf |
| 10:14.41 | Sha0 | bug |
| 10:14.50 | moshii | Sha0: report it then |
| 10:14.57 | ttsrtser | hi to all |
| 10:15.00 | tenzing_ | liable, do we have a frontend for mencoder? |
| 10:15.05 | ttsrtser | i have a problem with locale |
| 10:15.08 | cahoot | moshii: was just speculative |
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| 10:15.22 | Sha0 | well, thnx |
| 10:15.25 | Sha0 | emerge r00lz |
| 10:15.41 | Sha0 | emerge apt-get |
| 10:15.43 | liable | tenzing_: i dont think there is actually, though kde or gnome may have one. |
| 10:15.44 | moshii | sanmarcos: on i386 boxes at least you need to reset to see the new partitions |
| 10:16.01 | sanmarcos | moshii, is this because of udev? |
| 10:16.15 | cahoot | moshii: otoh usb sticks don't need a restart |
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| 10:16.28 | sanmarcos | wonder if /dev/.static/dev/hda2 would work |
| 10:16.37 | sanmarcos | but oh well I already told this guy to reboot moshii and cahoot |
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| 10:17.05 | moshii | sanmarcos: ah, if it's usb, pull it out and stick it back in |
| 10:17.29 | moshii | sanmarcos: and run dmesg to see what partitions the usb mass storage module is seeing |
| 10:17.31 | liable | tenzing_: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design3/projects.html#mencoder_frontends |
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| 10:17.51 | JJ|Laptop | hhmm |
| 10:17.54 | tenzing_ | liable, thanks |
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| 10:24.07 | anders__ | how do i update from old xfce4 to the new one? |
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| 10:25.32 | dimir | anders__: apt-get install it? |
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| 10:27.31 | anders__ | command..? |
| 10:27.34 | anders__ | apt-get install what? |
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| 10:28.06 | dimir | anders__: apt-get update && apt-get install install xfce4 |
| 10:28.11 | dimir | oops |
| 10:28.19 | dimir | "install" one time. |
| 10:28.23 | dimir | anders__: apt-get update && apt-get install xfce4 |
| 10:28.31 | anders__ | kk |
| 10:28.44 | liable | !ping |
| 10:28.45 | dpkg | pong |
| 10:29.09 | dimir | !bong |
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| 10:29.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, bong is like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
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| 10:29.35 | dimir | "As I take hits from the bong"! |
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| 10:34.55 | anders__ | how can i edit xfree86? |
| 10:34.59 | anders__ | in what map is it |
| 10:35.21 | cydork | !xmd5 |
| 10:35.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, x md5sum is If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me ... |
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| 10:36.44 | anders__ | iam trying to install nvidia drivers |
| 10:36.56 | Guerin | anders__: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
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| 10:37.00 | anders__ | Installation of the nvidia kernel failed, you need to add contrib and non-free archives.. Where do id o that?= |
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| 10:37.59 | cydork | anders__, which version of debian are you using?? |
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| 10:43.39 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:43.42 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 10:43.43 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 10:43.59 | anders__ | whats the url? :P |
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| 10:44.36 | jetscreamer | just add contrib non-free after where it says main |
| 10:44.46 | jetscreamer | not on the security one |
| 10:44.52 | anders__ | ok |
| 10:44.56 | anders__ | shall i write |
| 10:44.58 | anders__ | contrib non-free ? |
| 10:45.00 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 10:45.07 | jetscreamer | just add contrib non-free after where it says main |
| 10:45.25 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx isn't in etch |
| 10:45.37 | hjubal | ciao|hi |
| 10:46.37 | inc|freaky | if i want something to be started when someone loggs in via ssh and that for everyone, in which file should i put it? /etc/bashrc ? |
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| 10:48.22 | Ash-Fox | inc|freaky, something started or something displayed? |
| 10:48.29 | inc|freaky | something started |
| 10:48.35 | inc|freaky | which displays something |
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| 10:51.01 | SergiOO | i have base install of debian and radius and i have 75 zombie processs now? |
| 10:51.04 | SergiOO | its keep rising |
| 10:51.07 | SergiOO | ;/ |
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| 10:51.43 | Ash-Fox | inc|freaky, drat, I can't remember, it will come to me soon hopefully |
| 10:51.54 | inc|freaky | k :p |
| 10:52.35 | SergiOO | now 95 zombies :) |
| 10:52.44 | SergiOO | wtf |
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| 10:55.10 | SergiOO | any ideas how to trace zombie process :) |
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| 10:57.08 | jetscreamer | !zombie |
| 10:57.09 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 10:57.30 | sep | SergiOO, ps alx. look for eth ppid of the zombies that's the pid that makes them |
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| 10:58.00 | sep | then you can look at that process to see why it's not cleaning up it's zombies. |
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| 10:58.08 | _lucas | !repository |
| 10:58.09 | dpkg | i guess debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 10:58.39 | _lucas | where is the unstable repo? |
| 10:59.37 | sep | _lucas, on all the mirrors just like everything else |
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| 11:00.04 | sep | !mirrors |
| 11:00.05 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 11:00.17 | _lucas | sep: thx |
| 11:00.25 | sep | !thx |
| 11:00.25 | dpkg | thx is probably a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. THX is also a certification programme for sound reproduction associated with George Lucas. |
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| 11:02.53 | Sonderblade | is there an apt-command to download the .deb of a package? |
| 11:03.55 | Dackel | Hi, I overwrite my $PATH, can somebody post his $PATH |
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| 11:04.20 | moshii | Dackel: did you do it locally or globally |
| 11:04.29 | Dackel | for root :) |
| 11:04.31 | wols | Sonderblade: apt-get --help |
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| 11:04.53 | roxy_ | Dackel: source .bashrc |
| 11:05.25 | Dackel | no i enter it inb bashrc |
| 11:06.02 | roxy_ | Dackel: :-) well done , /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
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| 11:06.36 | Dackel | thank you roxy_, i love you, boy |
| 11:06.55 | roxy_ | np, mickael |
| 11:07.00 | apfel | I'm using the ATI driver fglrx with X version 7.0 and everything works fine except for the mouse pointer: there's sometimes a white bar below the actual cursor. Any ideas? |
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| 11:07.27 | Dackel | bye |
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| 11:14.21 | Ash-Fox | I don't mean to downtalk on .deb packages, but... The amount of work to create a source package with a simple modification of another is a bit insane. |
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| 11:18.36 | Dacke1 | roxy_: can you repeat the PATH for root, i forgot to notice it |
| 11:18.43 | Dacke1 | i am sorry |
| 11:19.19 | Ash-Fox | Dacke1, sudo echo $PATH ? |
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| 11:19.59 | roxy_ | Dacke1: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 11:20.05 | Dacke1 | thx |
| 11:20.21 | sanmarcos | where can I find a vanilla /etc/profile? |
| 11:20.38 | roxy_ | Dacke1: you could use a irc client with history |
| 11:20.49 | roxy_ | sanmarcos: what do you mean vanilla ? |
| 11:20.58 | Dacke1 | i haven't logging |
| 11:21.05 | raz0____ | roxy_, Original. |
| 11:21.34 | roxy_ | sanmarcos: mine wasn't touch, do you want me to paste it ? |
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| 11:21.58 | sanmarcos | roxy_, please |
| 11:22.57 | roxy_ | sanmarcos: http://pastebin.ca/126349 |
| 11:22.59 | Guerin | not in here |
| 11:23.04 | Guerin | oh, you're sane |
| 11:23.06 | Guerin | that's good |
| 11:23.17 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 11:23.21 | roxy_ | np |
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| 11:32.15 | zzz | Hi! Is there any tool for debian with i can simply check, whether a directory' s (and its subdirecoty' s) files are the same or not? |
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| 11:33.19 | tonb | in amavis i need exclude from virus-check mails from one sender. i can't exclude by recipients. i send big mails from my backup system, and i really don't want check them. is there any way to do this ? (i know this isn't amavis channel, but mayby someone know this problem) |
| 11:33.24 | zzz | ** i mean two directory are the same ... . |
| 11:33.34 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.07 | sep | zzz, there are probably 4-6 tools that could do that |
| 11:34.34 | zzz | could You tell me its name? But dirdiff sounds good, just need time to apt-get it. |
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| 11:36.11 | zzz | sep: thanks, but dirdiff is a graphical tool, could You tell me one for console? |
| 11:36.46 | tralala | zzz: diff -r |
| 11:36.51 | sep | diff -r |
| 11:37.35 | zzz | tralala: sep: thx, it' s good for me. |
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| 11:53.15 | roxy_ | if config shows eth0 up and running but "ifup eth0" can't find a dhcp lease. Where could be the pb ? (dhcp works on other machine) |
| 11:54.16 | roxy_ | sorry: dhclient eth0 shows no lease |
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| 11:54.40 | roxy_ | ifup eth0 says unknown interface |
| 11:55.10 | roxy_ | I just want to use eth0 once, it ususally uses wlan0 |
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| 12:02.18 | tralala | roxy_: no dhcp server, cabling problems, bad dhcpd configuration, etc. You need to be more verbose if you expect to get help. |
| 12:04.21 | raf256 | what would be the most simple and secure HTTP (pure HTTP) server? prefferabley one that can chroot into his directory |
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| 12:12.19 | hipodilski | How can I measure my network performance under debian? |
| 12:12.50 | wols | ntop iptraf and a ton of others |
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| 12:14.55 | LinuxHel1 | Hi, um, how do I create a FIFO file using the console? |
| 12:15.09 | tralala | LinuxHel1: man mknod |
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| 12:15.37 | LinuxHel1 | thx man |
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| 12:18.32 | hipodilski | wols: I need something with benchmarking |
| 12:19.01 | hipodilski | so I can see the normal capacities of different networks 100mbit 1000mbit etc. |
| 12:19.19 | wols | and e.g iptraf does this |
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| 12:20.14 | jbalcomb | I'm trying to just download a package and apt-get is complaining about dependencies. --force-yes and --ignore-missing aren't making it work. Is there anything I can do to get it download regardless of the dependencies? |
| 12:20.15 | possie | anyone know how i can for the scsibus to rescan everything, and how stable is this? |
| 12:21.08 | jbalcomb | hipodilski: what do you mean by benchmarking? |
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| 12:26.48 | JonJ | I hate my ISP, their dns-servers have to be running Windows ME or something |
| 12:27.41 | hipodilski | jbalcomb: well I have a local 100mbit network |
| 12:27.55 | hipodilski | jbalcomb: what is the normal speed of transfer in my local network |
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| 12:28.24 | Trev_ | What's the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow ? |
| 12:28.32 | hipodilski | and how can I see my machine hard drive real speed |
| 12:29.11 | jbalcomb | hipodilski: iptraf will show you from the perspective of the local box; if your switches support SNMP, MRTG will show you from the switches perspective |
| 12:29.27 | jbalcomb | Trev_: Hrm.. european or african? |
| 12:29.37 | Trev_ | I don't know that...! |
| 12:29.38 | LinuxHelp | Can any1 think of an easy way to read the "First Out" line of a fifo file? Because cat returns the contents in LIFO. |
| 12:30.11 | jbalcomb | hipodilski: i believe hdparm will test your HDD throughput fairly well and let you make adjustments. |
| 12:30.22 | SeanTater | Trev_: and you think we know the air speed of an unladen swallow? |
| 12:30.40 | jbalcomb | hipodilski: I'm certain there are a bunch of benchmark apps for testing your computers hardware |
| 12:30.42 | jelly | Trev_: http://www.armory.com/swallow.html |
| 12:31.25 | jbalcomb | LinuxHelp: is this what 'head' would do? |
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| 12:31.44 | Trev_ | ../sigh |
| 12:32.20 | jbalcomb | damn, i only made second place. :/ |
| 12:32.49 | Trev_ | http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/ |
| 12:32.56 | Trev_ | Ok I am out.. enjoy. |
| 12:33.01 | jbalcomb | i only assume he said european first because that is where he was but perhaps that's just me projecting my american self-centered perspective on life. |
| 12:34.14 | LinuxHelp | jbalcomb, head seems like its working, except is terminating one of my consoles that does echo Line1 >> fifo |
| 12:34.20 | hipodilski | jbalcomb: sure but what about the network |
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| 12:34.56 | jbalcomb | hipodilski: i though i covered that with iptraf and MRTG |
| 12:35.02 | jbalcomb | s/though/thought/ |
| 12:35.17 | hipodilski | jbalcomb: Timing buffered disk reads: 162 MB in 3.02 seconds = 53.68 MB/sec |
| 12:35.31 | hipodilski | jbalcomb: that is buffered disk reads what about unbuffered |
| 12:35.32 | hipodilski | ? |
| 12:35.45 | hipodilski | I need real disk read write capacity not buffered |
| 12:36.23 | LinuxHelp | wth.. my gnome-terminal gets terminated by an "echo Line1 >> fifo"... how strange |
| 12:36.55 | jbalcomb | hipodilski: well, the disk operates buffered so that is technically more real and than real would be but man hdparm and see if you can turn off buffering |
| 12:37.10 | jbalcomb | s/and// |
| 12:39.36 | jelly | hipodilski: that's real disk read speed. |
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| 12:41.01 | hipodilski | jelly: what about the disk write speed |
| 12:41.13 | jbalcomb | hdparm will do that too |
| 12:41.17 | hipodilski | jelly: I need average between read and write per second |
| 12:41.30 | jelly | jbalcomb: how, pray tell? |
| 12:41.33 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:41.50 | mariust | hi, i am having a problem setting all the thin clients to norwegian keyboard layout |
| 12:42.25 | mariust | normally i would just do it through kiosk, but i cant change the layout in the kcontrol thing since there arent any keyboard layout to choose from |
| 12:42.31 | mariust | is there another way? |
| 12:42.33 | jelly | hipodilski: I think you'll need some other benchmark for write performance |
| 12:42.37 | mariust | or maybe a fix for the kcontrol problem |
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| 12:43.37 | hipodilski | jelly: which one can you please suggest me some ? |
| 12:44.12 | tralala | LinuxHelp: why don't you start with what is your real goal? |
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| 12:44.34 | jelly | hipodilski: dunno. bonnie++? dbench? iozone3? |
| 12:44.41 | EvilDin | hey i have one big file which way is the best way to compress it? |
| 12:44.57 | mariust | is it really compressable? |
| 12:45.02 | LinuxHelp | tralala, world domination |
| 12:45.09 | mariust | if its jpg, avi or something it probably wont compress |
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| 12:45.23 | jbalcomb | EvilDin: bzip2 is supposedly the best compressor right now |
| 12:45.37 | tralala | LinuxHelp: there is no software way to do it just yet |
| 12:45.40 | EvilDin | am little instruction how to compress, please |
| 12:45.48 | LinuxHelp | tralala, orly? |
| 12:45.58 | jbalcomb | EvilDin: www.google.com "man bzip2" |
| 12:45.58 | jelly | EvilDin: what type of data is it? |
| 12:46.08 | EvilDin | it is txt |
| 12:47.39 | jelly | EvilDin: On unix, the most common compression tools would be gzip or bzip2. gzip -9 file.txt or bzip2 -9 file.txt ... bzip2 is 3-5 times slower and maybe 20-50% better compression. |
| 12:48.00 | EvilDin | cool |
| 12:49.09 | jelly | EvilDin: note that both will delete the original file by default |
| 12:49.34 | EvilDin | why |
| 12:49.38 | aLTer | Seems subversion packge isn't updated since 2005 :-( Maintainer also doesn't respond to emails |
| 12:49.40 | EvilDin | is there possible to not delete |
| 12:49.58 | hipodilski | jelly: thanks will check out |
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| 12:50.50 | aLTer | Does anybody want to maintain subversion? :) |
| 12:51.15 | jelly | aLTer: thinking of orphaning it? |
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| 12:51.31 | jens | hi |
| 12:51.56 | jelly | aLTer: oh, haven't read the previous line, sorry. |
| 12:51.59 | jens | I'm trying to install debian (netinst)... My chipset is nForce, and it can't detect my NIC automatically |
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| 12:52.14 | jelly | !mia |
| 12:52.14 | dpkg | from memory, mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
| 12:52.26 | jelly | hm, that wasn't very useful |
| 12:52.31 | jens | Which one should I choose? there is no 'nforce' optin in the list |
| 12:52.43 | dvs | Jenkens: nv for a video card |
| 12:52.49 | jelly | jens: try forcedeth |
| 12:52.53 | aLTer | jens, I had maybe the same problem. I just switched to testing Etch and now all is fine. |
| 12:52.56 | jens | Thank you, Jelly |
| 12:53.01 | jens | etch? |
| 12:53.03 | jens | is that a driver? |
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| 12:53.28 | aLTer | jens, this is testing debian distro, not statble. |
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| 12:53.44 | jens | hmm... forcedeth didn't work |
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| 12:54.03 | jens | I kind of need this system up as soon as possible |
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| 12:54.10 | jens | Should I download an etch image? |
| 12:54.21 | jens | (I don't know debian very well0 |
| 12:54.23 | T_B_S | Hello all, i´m migrating from mandriva to debian. What´s the name for the ssh package on this sistem? |
| 12:54.25 | streuner | !d-i jens |
| 12:54.25 | dpkg | jens, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:54.34 | jens | Thanks stray_ |
| 12:54.36 | jens | streuner, |
| 12:54.38 | streuner | jens: read ig |
| 12:54.39 | T_B_S | thanks in advance |
| 12:54.44 | streuner | !tell jens about ig |
| 12:54.53 | streuner | ssh? |
| 12:54.55 | mariust | how do i set the default keyboard layout for the thin clients? |
| 12:54.59 | streuner | !info ssh |
| 12:55.02 | mariust | debian-edu |
| 12:55.03 | tralala | T_B_S: openssh |
| 12:55.11 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 12:55.32 | T_B_S | ok, tks guys! |
| 12:55.51 | tralala | oh, I'm wrong - it's ssh |
| 12:55.57 | jens | ok, and how do I choose to get 64b packages? |
| 12:56.10 | jens | my processor seems to be 64bit |
| 12:56.19 | T_B_S | tralala, it has ssh2 support, doesn´t it? |
| 12:56.28 | streuner | jens: amd64? |
| 12:56.31 | tralala | T_B_S: yep |
| 12:56.33 | streuner | yes |
| 12:56.39 | T_B_S | thank you very much |
| 12:56.43 | jens | yes, streuner |
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| 12:56.55 | streuner | jens: ok, go to #debian-amd64 then |
| 12:56.55 | jens | I'm mostly into gentoo, but this system really needs to be up NOW |
| 12:57.11 | streuner | !hurry |
| 12:57.11 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 12:57.15 | tralala | jens: there is an unofficial amd64 sarge (links at debian.org) |
| 12:57.21 | jens | thanks, tralala |
| 12:57.30 | streuner | amd64 is official |
| 12:57.42 | jelly | jens: in debian, 64bit is whole other architecture, other cd images and all |
| 12:57.58 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 12:57.58 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 12:58.15 | wols | streuner: there cannot be an official amd64 sarge |
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| 12:58.21 | jens | brb.. I'll download an image for amd64 |
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| 12:58.28 | streuner | wols: scroll up |
| 12:58.35 | CoRbl4 | hi ppl |
| 12:58.48 | wols | will be a supported arch on Etch |
| 12:59.00 | wols | Sarge != Etch. Sarge not supported, not official |
| 12:59.14 | signuts | Hello all. I have converted an old slackware raid5 install to debian. Everything has gone very smoothly but all of a sudden my raid only starts w/ 3 (out of 4) disks. I can hdparm every disk and don't get any IO errors. This is very strange. Is there a way to "upgrade" a raid? |
| 12:59.25 | LinuxHelp | I'm trying to send a text line from a CGI shell script, to a daemon. Problem I am encountering, is that it is not safe to use "echo >> fifo" (fifo is a "mknod fifo p" ) from more than one CGI shell script. The daemon would read using "head -n 1 fifo". Any ideas on how to make a fifo file multi-process-safe? |
| 12:59.27 | signuts | It could be a software version issue. but I am just not sure |
| 12:59.59 | signuts | LinuxHelp, a fifo for each client, but it sounds like you need a program (more so than a bash script) |
| 13:00.07 | signuts | or a better design |
| 13:00.26 | LinuxHelp | signuts, I wouldnt really like to use a program, caus that would eat system resources.. |
| 13:01.02 | signuts | LinuxHelp, You do realize a fifo bnlocks on reads and writes, so it means if your client was writing and the server wasn't reading then your client blocks. and vice versa. Very bad |
| 13:01.32 | signuts | LinuxHelp, resources of a running program? That is definitely not an issue |
| 13:01.55 | war95 | LinuxHelp: you're back oh no ;) |
| 13:02.04 | LinuxHelp | war95, lol |
| 13:02.16 | signuts | Any software raid5 folks in here? |
| 13:02.22 | war95 | signuts: I am |
| 13:02.37 | war95 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 13:02.38 | war95 | /dev/md3 2.6T 528G 2.1T 21% /raid5 |
| 13:03.18 | signuts | Rock On! war95, I moved my raid5 array (4 disks) to debian. Now one of the disks fails to star w/ 4 disks. (only 3 startup)t. There are no io errors on the failing disk. I'm not sure what to check next. |
| 13:03.27 | streuner | wols: " |
| 13:03.53 | war95 | signuts: what does mdadm -D /dev/md[number] say? |
| 13:03.53 | signuts | war95, out of curiosity how many disks and size of each? |
| 13:03.58 | war95 | signuts: 400gb x 8 |
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| 13:04.14 | war95 | paste the output to #flood |
| 13:04.20 | jelly | war95: you don't have a hot spare? |
| 13:04.25 | signuts | war95, nice, it says removed under the state column |
| 13:04.50 | war95 | jelly: I have a cold spare |
| 13:04.56 | signuts | war95 http://rafb.net/paste/results/GKfFxF49.html |
| 13:05.00 | war95 | jelly: no reason to spin the disk if I am not using it |
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| 13:05.23 | war95 | signuts: simple |
| 13:05.26 | signuts | war95, wow, that's amazingly cool |
| 13:05.31 | war95 | simonrvn: mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/hd(missing) |
| 13:05.38 | streuner | wols: "the testing and unstable release of the AMD64 port have now been included in the _official_ Debian archive" - Current status of AMD64 |
| 13:05.44 | war95 | signuts: for the missing hdd |
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| 13:06.31 | signuts | war95, aye, I had a bad ide cable on this disk but it was since been replaced. |
| 13:06.33 | wols | streuner: yes, cause etch will have support. but I and you were talking about sarge |
| 13:06.34 | tralala | streuner: but we were discussing sarge, weren't we? |
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| 13:06.41 | signuts | war95, marked removed means it still is "bad" ? |
| 13:06.47 | streuner | wols: no |
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| 13:07.03 | streuner | wols: i said, "amd64 is official" not more and less |
| 13:07.05 | wols | 14:58 < wols> streuner: there cannot be an official amd64 sarge |
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| 13:07.14 | war95 | signuts: hm, add it and then re-run the -D |
| 13:07.14 | wols | also there is no etch release of debian yet |
| 13:07.59 | streuner | _everything what's in official debian mirrors is, is _official_ |
| 13:08.05 | AndroidData | I'm trying to reinstall a package and I'm getting errors. I first did "apt-get --purge remove usermin" and then "apt-get install usermin" and I got problems. Then I did "aptitude clean && aptitude reinstall usermin". still not working |
| 13:08.20 | signuts | war95, I thank you for the command and hope this helps. I have other problems yet. I think they're interupt issues since my controller just timed out the disk (yet again!) |
| 13:08.27 | tralala | streuner: but what's that got to do with sarge? |
| 13:08.34 | abrotman | AndroidData: and the error would be? |
| 13:08.38 | wols | and I said there cannot be an official amd64 sarge, no more no less |
| 13:08.57 | streuner | tralala: wols thought, its only official when a stable release is out |
| 13:08.58 | LinuxHelp | war95, you wouldnt happen to know much about weird and wonderful network problems, would you? |
| 13:09.11 | AndroidData | miniserv.pem: No such file or directory and update-rc.d warning that /etc/rc2.d/K20usermin (to rc5.d) is not a link to ../init.d/usermin |
| 13:09.25 | war95 | LinuxHelp: heh, the real ? is what are you trying to do? and what network problem/ he cgi thing? |
| 13:09.31 | war95 | signuts: timed out? what is the error? |
| 13:09.46 | abrotman | AndroidData: so fix that |
| 13:09.50 | AndroidData | how? |
| 13:09.52 | tralala | streuner: that would be an official release - amd64 doesn't have any |
| 13:09.59 | signuts | war95, stuff like end_request: I/O error, dev hdg, sector 490234624 |
| 13:10.18 | war95 | signuts: that usually means a bad disk sir |
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| 13:10.42 | war95 | signuts: show me: smartctl -a /dev/disk with the errors |
| 13:10.52 | tralala | it's in a bit awkward state - realeased but unofficially, officially in debian but not realeased... |
| 13:10.57 | signuts | war95, I don't have smartctl . what package is it part of? |
| 13:11.00 | streuner | wols: go into #debian-devel and tell them amd64 isn't official :-) |
| 13:11.18 | war95 | signuts: smartmontools |
| 13:11.44 | azeem | wols, streuner: you are both right, now stop it :) |
| 13:12.11 | streuner | 14.59 <wols> Sarge != Ethc. Sarge not supported, _not_ offical |
| 13:12.18 | signuts | war95, does it matter they're ide drives? http://rafb.net/paste/results/SqLWr124.html |
| 13:12.32 | signuts | my drives are connected to two promise controller cards. These promise cards suck! |
| 13:12.37 | AndroidData | miniserv.pem: No such file or directory is the only error now. I dunno what it means |
| 13:12.42 | war95 | I use promise and have no problems with them. |
| 13:12.49 | wols | streuner: amd64 sarge is not official. it is now supported afaik tho |
| 13:12.50 | war95 | signuts: Your HDD looks like it is dead. |
| 13:12.57 | war95 | signuts: I do a lot of work with raid/hdds, etc |
| 13:12.58 | LinuxHelp | war95, na, you see I have this other pc (debs testing), which can only connect to the internet via a router/switch, and not any other computers that are connected to the switch. What I mean by not connect, is that ping works, but any amount of data above like 1K "freezes" and never gets transferred. The problem has happened in all kernels and distros, 2.6.12 x86_64 FC4, 2.6.16 x86_64 FC5, 2.6.15 x86_64 debs testing, 2.6.15 x86 (current) |
| 13:13.03 | streuner | azeem: do you have nothing else to do? ;-) |
| 13:13.03 | war95 | signuts: looks like your hdd is dead |
| 13:13.03 | signuts | war95, sounds like it |
| 13:13.08 | wols | streuner: but I will ignore the future discussion of this topic |
| 13:13.13 | wols | cause it's pointless |
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| 13:13.21 | war95 | LinuxHelp: hum |
| 13:13.24 | signuts | war95, i'll order a new to test, I can always make it a spare :) |
| 13:13.29 | abrotman | AndroidData: put the file there |
| 13:13.33 | war95 | LinuxHelp: my guess is a firewall rule or something weird in fedora core kernel |
| 13:13.37 | AndroidData | :S |
| 13:13.40 | war95 | signuts: k |
| 13:14.10 | signuts | war95, I have had strange interupt issues on this board. Would it make sense to move the controller cards on far end of PCI slots? To avoid IRQ conflicts? |
| 13:14.26 | AndroidData | ahh it works now |
| 13:14.54 | war95 | signuts: Ive moved mine all over , it does not seem to matter for the most part, but you probably should not put them near the agp slot |
| 13:15.00 | wols | LinuxHelp: from the sound of it it might be a bad NIC |
| 13:15.02 | war95 | signuts: you could try a different card as well |
| 13:15.11 | war95 | LinuxHelp: netstat -i say any errors? |
| 13:15.16 | streuner | wols: besides, it doesn't help if you think you need to correct someone who are actually in a convo with a newbie... |
| 13:15.18 | war95 | LinuxHelp: canu ssh to the box? |
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| 13:15.24 | war95 | LinuxHelp: does it freeze if you ls -lR / ? |
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| 13:16.02 | signuts | dr4g0, hello |
| 13:16.09 | LinuxHelp | war95, one sec.. Whats also kind of strange is that the card works perfectly in WinNT 5.1 x86 and x86_64 |
| 13:16.21 | dr4g0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.26 | dr4g0 | ops xD |
| 13:16.34 | war95 | LinuxHelp: put knoppix on it |
| 13:16.39 | war95 | LinuxHelp: see if you can replicate the problem |
| 13:17.13 | tralala | !drxx dr4g0 |
| 13:17.14 | dpkg | dr4g0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 13:18.26 | dvs | What the heck is a "GeeForce"? |
| 13:18.30 | war95 | dr4g0: what chipset? |
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| 13:18.37 | war95 | dr4g0: XFree86 -configure |
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| 13:18.49 | war95 | dr4g0: XFree86 -xf86config /root/XFree86.config |
| 13:18.51 | war95 | you try that/ |
| 13:18.56 | war95 | ? |
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| 13:19.21 | abrotman | war95: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:19.41 | wols | streuner: but telling newbies to use testing is a good idea (possibly on a server?), ok |
| 13:19.44 | war95 | or that |
| 13:19.57 | signuts | what are the alternative packages to update-rc.d ? I always forget the names |
| 13:20.54 | tralala | signuts: alternative?! |
| 13:21.21 | signuts | tralala, yeah, =P One that's a bit more intuitive.. |
| 13:21.23 | streuner | wols: i think, you aren't concentrated too much, just scroll up and drink a coffe. |
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| 13:21.30 | streuner | s/coffe/coffee/ |
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| 13:21.43 | tralala | signuts: I'm not aware of alternatives of update-rc.d |
| 13:22.59 | streuner | wols: i know, that AMD64 is totally different than x86, so i sent people to #debian-amd64... |
| 13:23.27 | azeem | streuner: I wish I wouldn't need to do thi |
| 13:23.30 | azeem | s |
| 13:23.58 | abrotman | eh .. do what? |
| 13:24.16 | cahoot | rattle the key |
| 13:24.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:24.25 | tralala | scroll up |
| 13:24.40 | signuts | tralala, sysvconfig is one. There are a few out there |
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| 13:25.26 | tralala | signuts: I'm ok with update-rc.d especially given the rare occasions I need to use it. |
| 13:25.37 | LinuxHelp | war95, ping? |
| 13:25.40 | jens | Yay |
| 13:25.49 | jens | My amd64 installation seems to work with etch |
| 13:25.50 | jens | thanks guys |
| 13:26.33 | streuner | jens: go to #debian-amd64 |
| 13:27.07 | streuner | we are using mostly x86 and cannot help much... |
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| 13:27.50 | tralala | jens: perhaps you would want to stay with sarge |
| 13:28.02 | abrotman | kind of late now eh? |
| 13:28.12 | streuner | hehe |
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| 13:28.34 | tralala | not really |
| 13:28.45 | abrotman | you can't downgrade |
| 13:28.55 | tralala | but you can reinstall |
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| 13:29.03 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 13:29.10 | tralala | and right now is the best time to do it |
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| 13:30.26 | streuner | ok, sarge amd64 isn't official, so not supported, why sarge then... |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | streuner: it does have official security support |
| 13:30.50 | streuner | it wouldn't make sense for a server then |
| 13:30.52 | tralala | actually the security is supported |
| 13:30.55 | streuner | oh |
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| 13:32.39 | streuner | and testing amd64 hasn't any security ? |
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| 13:32.54 | wwallace_lap | how do install developer packages? |
| 13:32.58 | tralala | it has both security and bugs |
| 13:33.12 | streuner | wwallace_lap: search for -dev packages |
| 13:34.33 | wwallace_lap | streuner: thank you |
| 13:35.55 | Sid_ | 8-) |
| 13:36.06 | streuner | wwallace_lap: you're welcome |
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| 13:36.48 | wwallace_lap | my problem is im getting problems trying to install vmware |
| 13:37.26 | streuner | wwallace_lap: you'll need kernel-headers and build-essential packages |
| 13:37.28 | abrotman | ask #vmware? |
| 13:37.35 | Sid_ | wwallace_lap: And which developers packages do you need for VMWare? |
| 13:37.39 | streuner | for further questions ask there support |
| 13:37.45 | abrotman | their |
| 13:37.56 | streuner | haha |
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| 13:38.39 | wwallace_lap | That means you don't have a c++ compiler installed. As I said above, you need the gcc AND the gcc-c++ packages installed. |
| 13:38.44 | wwallace_lap | somesaid that |
| 13:38.59 | streuner | !b-e wwallace_lap |
| 13:39.00 | dpkg | wwallace_lap: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 13:39.15 | streuner | plus kernel-headers refering to your installed kernel :-) |
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| 13:42.06 | blondie | wwallace_lap: are you a lap? |
| 13:42.20 | abrotman | do you want to sit on him? |
| 13:42.21 | wwallace_lap | yes |
| 13:42.30 | blondie | well |
| 13:42.41 | wwallace_lap | hi abrotman how the hell are you? |
| 13:42.42 | dpkg | peachy, wwallace_lap |
| 13:43.16 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: please don't |
| 13:43.28 | EvilDin | is there possible to use rar in linux? |
| 13:43.32 | niklas | I have a little problem, i installed gcc-4.1 by a mistake, i needed to install gcc-3.3. So i removed gcc-4.1 and install gcc-3.3, but 'gcc' doesn't exists now, i have to write 'gcc-3.3' - how can i make it use 3.3 when you just type gcc? |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | EvilDin: yes |
| 13:43.39 | EvilDin | how |
| 13:43.43 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 13:43.43 | dpkg | unrar is, like, a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 13:43.57 | Sid_ | EvilDin: apt-get install rar unrar |
| 13:44.03 | streuner | niklas: create a symlink |
| 13:44.25 | streuner | niklas: gcc is a symlink which points to the compiler itself |
| 13:44.51 | niklas | Can't it create the symlink itself? Just like the 4.1 package did |
| 13:45.00 | streuner | man ln |
| 13:45.06 | tralala | niklas: there is a native linux rar in non-free but it doesn't support the latest rar archives. If you need them - wine + winrar (the command line tool) |
| 13:45.24 | possie | what is the default size (in bytes) of an inode when formatting? |
| 13:45.30 | niklas | tralala: not me, it's EvilDin needing help about winrar |
| 13:45.36 | dvs | possie: 4K |
| 13:45.46 | streuner | niklas: you should be able to create a symlink in unix, its not magic... |
| 13:45.51 | niklas | streuner: I know how to make a symlink, but can't the package do it itself like the 4.1 package? |
| 13:46.11 | tralala | niklas: oh, sorry. For you : ln -sf /usr/bin/gcc{-3.0,} |
| 13:46.23 | possie | dvs, okee and what is the max size? because i'm gonna have *a lot* of files, and most of the files have en average size of 30k |
| 13:46.28 | streuner | niklas: see what tralala you told you |
| 13:46.34 | streuner | s/you/ |
| 13:46.40 | niklas | tralala: thanks :) |
| 13:46.40 | wwallace_lap | root@mp3j2:/home/wwallace# apt-get install build-essential. |
| 13:46.40 | wwallace_lap | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:46.40 | wwallace_lap | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 13:46.40 | wwallace_lap | E: Couldn't find package build-essential. |
| 13:46.41 | wwallace_lap | root@mp3j2:/home/wwallace# |
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| 13:46.46 | abrotman | idiot |
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| 13:46.56 | Ston^- | lol |
| 13:47.09 | streuner | wwallace_lap: dpkg -l | tail -1 |
| 13:47.11 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: are you running Kanotix? |
| 13:47.16 | streuner | hm |
| 13:47.21 | EvilDin | when trying to install rar or unrar i hate that there is no such package or is it old |
| 13:47.24 | streuner | #kanotix then |
| 13:47.25 | tralala | EvilDin: there is a native linux rar in non-free but it doesn't support the latest rar archives. If you need them - wine + winrar (the command line tool) |
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| 13:47.42 | dvs | possie: I don't know off the top of my heade |
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| 13:47.54 | Sid_ | EvilDin: You must add non-free to you sources.list |
| 13:47.57 | finn23 | !bluetooth |
| 13:47.58 | jetscreamer | kanotix++ |
| 13:47.58 | dpkg | somebody said bluetooth was , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 13:47.58 | Sid_ | *your |
| 13:48.04 | EvilDin | which one |
| 13:48.05 | wwallace_lap | ii zlib1g-dev 1.2.3-11 compression library - development |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | streuner: you missed the libc6 |
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| 13:48.41 | possie | dvs, okee thanks anyhow |
| 13:49.10 | wwallace_lap | well thank you anyway |
| 13:49.13 | wwallace_lap | bye |
| 13:49.16 | dvs | possie: it says 1024, 2048 or 4096 bytes per block |
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| 13:49.20 | tralala | !customer |
| 13:49.21 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 13:49.27 | streuner | abrotman: yes, but you already asked him the question, so i didn't need to correct it... |
| 13:50.26 | abrotman | as soon as you ask him if he's running kanatix .. he always goes away |
| 13:50.28 | EvilDin | Sid_: where do i add non-freee |
| 13:50.33 | abrotman | kanotix |
| 13:50.36 | possie | dvs, and do you have a way to view the current indo size of a mounted filesystem? (i think it was possible via e2fsck (using ext3)) |
| 13:50.50 | Sid_ | EvilDin: In your /etc/seources.list after main ;) |
| 13:50.56 | EvilDin | ok |
| 13:51.07 | streuner | abrotman: well, i still don't unterstand why he doesn't run debian then... |
| 13:51.08 | Sid_ | EvilDin: *sources.list :) |
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| 13:51.13 | dvs | possie: oh. the -i option for mke2fs doesn't have a limit but it says that this value generally shouldn't be smaller than the blocksize |
| 13:51.16 | abrotman | streuner: he's a troll . and noone will ban him |
| 13:51.32 | abrotman | oh well |
| 13:51.42 | streuner | hm |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | he's used to join .. and do the stupid machine spec thing |
| 13:52.02 | Sid_ | EvilDin: And apt-get update then |
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| 13:52.42 | EvilDin | hm why is bzip2 in debian so old??? |
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| 13:52.59 | tralala | EvilDin: for compatibility reasons |
| 13:53.15 | Sid_ | EvilDin: Sarge is Sarge :) |
| 13:53.17 | EvilDin | is possible to install new one too |
| 13:53.29 | dvs | possie: why won't that work now? |
| 13:53.31 | tralala | EvilDin: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:54.51 | dvs | possie: I think dumpe2fs is what you're looking for |
| 13:55.55 | possie | dvs, yeah indeed i was just reading the man page |
| 13:56.24 | possie | dvs, thing is i'm gonna store *a lot* of files on my filesystem, lot's of smell files (around 30k average) so i'm wondering what the best inodes size/number would be |
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| 13:57.44 | possie | dvs, dumpe2fs says: Inode size: 128 |
| 13:57.51 | possie | dvs, so that be 128 bytes per inode? |
| 13:57.53 | uski | hi, i would like to know if it is possible to have gcc-4.0 on a debian stable (sarge) just to compile a few kernel modules because for some reason the kernel that is installed on my debian stable has been compiled with gcc 4.0 |
| 13:58.04 | dvs | possie: yes |
| 13:59.32 | dvs | possie: I think Inode count would be a more important number. |
| 14:00.10 | debianlinux | lamax |
| 14:01.00 | stew | uski: it would be better to just install a kernel compiled for your release |
| 14:01.03 | stew | uski: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 14:02.34 | possie | dvs, ah okee |
| 14:03.04 | naranha | i get these errors in dmesg after my system hangs regulary: http://nopaste.php-q.net/231746 . does this mean my hdd is damaged, ive got the wrong hdparm settings, or anything else? |
| 14:03.19 | jetscreamer | is a reboot recommended when libc6 gets upgraded? |
| 14:03.24 | jetscreamer | or jsut the kernel |
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| 14:05.29 | cahoot | naranha: faulty hd, cable or controller? |
| 14:05.30 | rohan | hi all .. |
| 14:05.46 | rohan | has the transition to python 2.4.3 taken place ? or is it in progress? |
| 14:07.48 | stew | !info python sid |
| 14:07.54 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-11 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 14:08.04 | naranha | strangely these 'hangs' only happen, when i play mp3s from my second partition. my hardware is quite new, i bought the hdd on month ago |
| 14:08.04 | naranha | one |
| 14:08.09 | stew | rohan: its supposed to happen this week, but doesn't appear to have happened yet: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00004.html |
| 14:08.36 | uski | stew: the kernel has been patched somehow by my service provider (it's on a dedicated hosting machine) and i would prefer to keep it installed |
| 14:08.50 | rohan | stew: oh, ok :) |
| 14:08.55 | uski | stew: currenty i'm rebuilding the kernel using gcc3.3 so that if the machine reboots it will boot... |
| 14:08.56 | jetscreamer | naranha: when i get status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } my hd is usually breaking... but the second error is different, so i don't know. i don't get a second error, just the first one |
| 14:08.58 | rohan | but it will happen surely for etch, right ? |
| 14:09.26 | naranha | ok thanks |
| 14:09.57 | jens | Hey.. Which package is ntpdate in? |
| 14:10.04 | possie | dvs, is it acctually possible to view how much inodes a certain file consumes? |
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| 14:10.22 | Netcad | speaking of migrating. is there any handy tools for netware->debian-migration? |
| 14:10.38 | stew | rohan: yes |
| 14:10.38 | the_mug | anyone know how or where I can get Vim7 debs? |
| 14:10.45 | stew | the_mug: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 14:12.04 | dvs | possie: no idea |
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| 14:12.18 | possie | dvs, ah 'stat' can do this |
| 14:12.35 | rohan | stew: ok, thanks for the link :) |
| 14:12.42 | EvilDin | hay next time when someone ask for newer bzip2, just say him to go see http://www.bzip.org/downloads.html --> there are prepared executables |
| 14:13.00 | dvs | possie: oh ok |
| 14:13.03 | Davo_Dinkum | can you do a text based installation from the ubuntu desktop 6.06.1 CD? |
| 14:13.42 | the_mug | stew I know about backports but a apt-cache search vim yields the 6.x version |
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| 14:13.58 | Davo_Dinkum | im trying to install it onto an IBM thinkpad but it hangs during installation |
| 14:14.51 | stew | Davo_Dinkum: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:14.52 | summet | hi all i need to cut a single from a file |
| 14:14.59 | Davo_Dinkum | ok stew thanks |
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| 14:15.03 | Davo_Dinkum | byr |
| 14:15.06 | Davo_Dinkum | *bye |
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| 14:15.10 | stew | the_mug: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 14:15.17 | summet | hi all i need to cut a single line from a file |
| 14:15.58 | summet | and put it in other file |
| 14:16.23 | stew | summet: what do you know about the line? the line number? a regex? |
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| 14:17.15 | summet | not line we call it as file may contain lot of simple like < > |
| 14:18.03 | summet | i need to cut the content in between <*> |
| 14:18.12 | summet | put in some other file |
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| 14:19.18 | larspind_ | k-google: Are you here? Remember that server I mentioned 3 days ago with some funky memory problems that I couldn't track down? |
| 14:19.26 | summet | stew: can u help to solve this probleam |
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| 14:20.51 | stew | summet: something like: sed 's/<\([^>]*\)>/\1/' < originalfile > anotherfile ; sed -i.bak 's/<[^>]*>//' originalfile ; the first command extracts, the second command removes (and creates a backup of the original), you should read up on sed |
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| 14:21.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: package http://roundcube.net/ |
| 14:22.12 | summet | stew: i am very weak in regex i cant understand any think |
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| 14:23.01 | summet | is there any easy way 2 lean this regex |
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| 14:26.12 | cydork | summet, man 7 regex :) |
| 14:26.56 | odla | how do i set premissions for a regular user to burn cds? i can burn cds fine using su or sudo |
| 14:27.06 | summet | cydork: is there any easy way 2 learn |
| 14:27.30 | stew | odla: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:28.14 | FromTO | does anyone use novell groupwise with debian? if so I cannot seem to make it work. It gives an error that it does not know the cause of it in the log file |
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| 14:28.34 | odla | stew: 2.6.16-2-686 |
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| 14:28.41 | stew | odla: i don't think there is a way |
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| 14:29.02 | odla | stew: really? it use to work for me |
| 14:29.18 | stew | odla: yeah, recent kernels seem to prevent it |
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| 14:30.12 | cahoot | odla: here a thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/08/msg00546.html |
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| 14:32.44 | odla | so i can do it if i set up SUID? |
| 14:32.48 | odla | what is SUID? |
| 14:33.10 | odla | i just asked dpkg what suid is |
| 14:33.17 | uski | how can i reinstall a currently installed package without removing it ? i.e. asking dpkg/apt-get/whatever to reextract the files over the existing ones (some of which have been modified and i want the package version to replace them) |
| 14:33.41 | stew | uski: aptitude reinstall packagename ; or apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
| 14:33.44 | summet | stew: sed 's/<\([^>]*\)>/\1/' this command remove the content inside < > brackets but i need only content inside those < > brackets in other file |
| 14:33.44 | odla | ok the 2nd question then is i don't have a group cdrom by default |
| 14:33.47 | cydork | uski, apt-get --reinstall |
| 14:33.49 | uski | thanks stew ! :) |
| 14:33.52 | uski | thanks cydork |
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| 14:34.07 | odla | how would i make a group, make user lontra a member, and all this group to burn cds? |
| 14:34.15 | odla | s all/allow |
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| 14:34.34 | stew | summet: that command should send the content between to stdout which could be redirected to a file |
| 14:35.07 | uski | stew: and what if the package is not in the repositories and it is in the local cache ? |
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| 14:37.00 | dr4g0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.05 | dr4g0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.39 | stew | summet: oh but that's going to output too much stuff, you probably want something more along the lines of sed 's/[^>]*<\([^>]*\)>[^>]*/\1/g' or something |
| 14:39.38 | odla | chown root /usr/local/bin/cdrecord <- is what the man page says for cdrecord but cdrecord is at /usr/bin/cdrecord right? |
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| 14:41.55 | stew | odla: yes, (dpkg -L cdrecord). but it would already be owned by root |
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| 14:42.11 | stew | odla: /msg dpkg Permissions |
| 14:42.12 | summet | in a file lots of content will be there i want to cut those thinks which r in < > brackets and redirected to other file any this in that file start and end with < > i need the content inside that < brackets > |
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| 14:42.28 | odla | stew: chmod 4711 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 14:42.32 | summet | stew: in a file lots of content will be there i want to cut those thinks which r in < > brackets and redirected to other file any this in that file start and end with < > i need the content inside that < brackets > |
| 14:42.39 | odla | that'll give all users premission is what the manpage says |
| 14:44.45 | shay | that was gay |
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| 14:47.10 | odla | -rws--x--x 1 root root 133 2006-01-07 11:43 /usr/bin/cdrecord <- if i am understanding this right this means that suid is set 's' and that root and regular uses can execute 'x' |
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| 14:47.54 | jelly | odla: yes. |
| 14:48.01 | odla | cool :) |
| 14:49.27 | jelly | odla: however, upgrading will remove your chmod. use dpkg-statoverride instead of plain chmod if you wish to preserve permissions. |
| 14:50.35 | odla | jelly: dpkg-statoverride 4711 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
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| 14:51.02 | jelly | odla: um, the syntax is different too. |
| 14:51.23 | odla | ok i'll read the manpage |
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| 14:52.45 | odla | dpkg-statoverride --add /usr/bin/cdrecord ? |
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| 14:53.02 | jelly | dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4711 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 14:53.27 | jelly | odla: or, if you want your original request, to have a group able to burn, |
| 14:53.41 | odla | jelly: it's fine...i'm the only user on this laptop |
| 14:54.10 | jelly | odla: dpkg-statoverride --update --add root cdrom 4754 /usr/bin/cdrecord ... if you use the group cdrom for that. |
| 14:54.40 | jelly | odla: to change it afterwards, skip --add option. |
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| 14:54.55 | odla | jelly: ok |
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| 14:57.11 | jens | Hi |
| 14:57.18 | jens | how do I disable initscripts the debian way |
| 14:57.32 | jens | I just removed postgresql and installed mysql |
| 14:57.40 | jens | And then I want openssh-server to start at boot |
| 14:58.29 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 14:58.36 | cydork | jens,/msg dpkg update-rc.d |
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| 15:01.02 | jens | thanks |
| 15:02.01 | EEap | Hi, I've installed Debian Sarge r2 and after the installation, I'm trying to do 'aptitude dist-upgrade' with my sources.list unchanged (all stable) and doesnt work, but when I change all entries to testing or etch, it says me that I have unmet dependecies and wont do the upgrade, does anybody can help me? |
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| 15:04.08 | cydork | EEap, i think you are looking for apt-get upgrade not dist-upgrade.. |
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| 15:04.20 | stew | shouldn't matter |
| 15:04.47 | chjunior | did you see? http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-using.html |
| 15:04.49 | stew | EEap: had you run "aptitude update"? sometimes you need to run it more than once |
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| 15:06.02 | jelly | chjunior: gmailfs came out soon after gmail did. |
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| 15:06.27 | chjunior | jelly, I haven't seen before! |
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| 15:07.02 | skymox | how i can knews the version apache for a serveur web plz ? |
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| 15:08.17 | abrotman | skymox: dpkg -l apache* |
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| 15:08.47 | skymox | with telnet ? |
| 15:09.16 | abrotman | do you have a shell on the system? |
| 15:09.22 | abrotman | skymox: ask #apache |
| 15:09.32 | abrotman | if it's not a debian system you have access to .. ask #apache |
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| 15:10.50 | DerJamster | skymox: just enter a non-valid pagename. It should show in the page. |
| 15:10.56 | skymox | i have winxp |
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| 15:11.14 | skymox | telnet www.commencamarche.net 80 don't work |
| 15:11.23 | DerJamster | skymox: yes. how about using a browser? :) |
| 15:11.45 | skymox | what ? |
| 15:11.54 | abrotman | DerJamster: that's crazy talk |
| 15:12.01 | skymox | you knews speak to french ? |
| 15:12.08 | azeem | skymox: ask in #winxp |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | telnet <server> 80 ... then type GET /aefasefaf.html |
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| 15:12.18 | abrotman | or ask #apache |
| 15:12.34 | DerJamster | nmap tells me ISS Webserver :P |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | IIS ? |
| 15:12.49 | SpeedyG | hmz, I wonder why he wants to know |
| 15:12.49 | DerJamster | Er, yes. |
| 15:12.50 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 15:12.59 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 15:13.00 | dpkg | i heard fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debienfr on irc.freenode.net |
| 15:13.19 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: he isnt even running debian ;0 |
| 15:13.29 | SpeedyG | 17:11 < skymox> i have winxp |
| 15:13.41 | azeem | !ft =~ s/debien/debian/ |
| 15:13.41 | skymox | yew |
| 15:13.41 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'ft' to modify, azeem |
| 15:13.42 | jetscreamer | skymox: ##windows |
| 15:13.43 | skymox | s |
| 15:13.46 | azeem | !fr =~ s/debien/debian/ |
| 15:13.46 | dpkg | OK, azeem |
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| 15:13.59 | skymox | goodbye |
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| 15:14.49 | slayer | bonjour a tous |
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| 15:15.03 | azeem | slayer: this is an english channel |
| 15:15.04 | stew | oops |
| 15:15.12 | slayer | i'm sorry |
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| 15:16.08 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 15:16.09 | dpkg | somebody said fr was Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
| 15:16.16 | war95 | $ acroread *pdf |
| 15:16.17 | war95 | /usr/bin/acroread: line 489: [: -ge: unary operator expected |
| 15:16.19 | hjubal | ciao |
| 15:16.23 | war95 | does debian pkg acroread or nerim? I forget |
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| 15:16.46 | DerJamster | Gotta use marillat's sources. debian-multimedia.org methinks. |
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| 15:18.59 | EEap | stew I did aptitude update some times, until it give me no errors, and when I do aptitude dist-upgrade , it says me that xlibmesa-glu Conflits with libglu1 and depends on xfree86-common ...and some things more....and dont let me do the upgrade. Maybe I should manualy remove the xlibmesa package? |
| 15:19.25 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 15:19.30 | stew | EEap: are you trying to move from stable to testing? |
| 15:19.33 | odla | tarzeau: has bub n' bros been packaged? |
| 15:19.57 | EEap | stew yes |
| 15:20.08 | stew | odla: iirc it has a problem with non-free artwork |
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| 15:21.10 | stew | EEap: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy xlibmesa-glu" into a pastebin? |
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| 15:28.31 | EEap | stew http://pastebin.ca/126502 |
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| 15:29.56 | stew | EEap: that all looks normal, can you alsa show the output of "aptitude dist-upgrade"? |
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| 15:34.22 | EEap | stew http://pastebin.ca/126508 |
| 15:35.31 | lunitik | EEap: unhold libfam0c102 or remove it and install libfam0 |
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| 15:37.09 | lunitik | EEap: remove everything there actually that isn't libfam0 or libglu1 and install those two again... |
| 15:38.01 | lunitik | There is a factoid about that, but apparently dpkg is broken :/ |
| 15:38.09 | lunitik | !xfree->xorg |
| 15:39.19 | jetscreamer | ~xfree->xorg |
| 15:39.25 | jetscreamer | @xfree->xorg |
| 15:39.28 | jetscreamer | &xfree->xorg |
| 15:39.31 | lunitik | EEap: once removing those packags... 'aptitude install xorg' should fix it again |
| 15:39.37 | dvs | *xfree->xorg |
| 15:39.39 | jetscreamer | they're all borked? |
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| 15:40.01 | lunitik | jetscreamer: I guess... its definitely a factoid though according to dpkg.. |
| 15:40.15 | lunitik | !listkeys xorg |
| 15:40.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xorg' by key (15 of 44): #debian get xorg ;; #debian xorg7 ;; #debian xserver-xorg ;; _default ati+xorg blankscreen ;; _default xfree->xorg ;; _default xorg ;; _default xorg sarge ;; _default xorg-nvidia ;; get xorg ;; xorg advantages ;; xorg etch ;; xorg howto ;; xorg sarge ;; xorg7 ;; xorgmd5. |
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| 15:40.24 | jetscreamer | !listkeys xf...nm |
| 15:40.24 | stew | dpkg: xfree->xorg |
| 15:40.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xf...nm' by key returned no results. |
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| 15:40.39 | stew | jetscreamer: there is a bug with factoids containing '>' |
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| 15:41.04 | g333k_work | Hi, I use gnome desktop, but when I install some kde apps it didnt install the icons, do I need some icons pkgs from kde? |
| 15:41.04 | lunitik | stew: apparently it doesn't like 'dpkg: xfree->xorg' either :/ |
| 15:41.07 | jetscreamer | !literal xfree->xorg |
| 15:41.14 | jetscreamer | just a though |
| 15:41.15 | jetscreamer | t |
| 15:41.30 | stew | dpkg: literal xfree->xorg |
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| 15:41.36 | jetscreamer | g333k_work: there are icon packages for kde iirc |
| 15:41.46 | stew | that really should work, the bug was only with short addressing originally |
| 15:41.49 | stew | it should work in /msg though |
| 15:42.02 | lunitik | stew: nope... already tried |
| 15:42.02 | stew | but it doesn't, this must be a new bug |
| 15:42.07 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kde icon |
| 15:42.14 | stew | i wonder if my patch broke something |
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| 15:42.40 | jetscreamer | ~test |
| 15:42.41 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 15:42.48 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 15:43.01 | lunitik | EEap: well, anyways... what I said should fix your issues... let me know if it doesn't, ok? |
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| 15:43.09 | jetscreamer | !tell me about xfree->xorg |
| 15:43.19 | jetscreamer | [10.43.12] <dpkg> i dunno what is 'xfree->xorg'. |
| 15:43.32 | lunitik | jetscreamer: more than it told me |
| 15:43.42 | lunitik | !tell me about xfree->xorg |
| 15:43.42 | g333k_work | off topic: I use xchat to connecto to irc, is there a way to not to have to identify my nick every time that I connect? |
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| 15:43.50 | jetscreamer | i've noticed that on more than one factoid |
| 15:43.57 | lunitik | Meh, tells me that way, but not directly via msg |
| 15:44.01 | jetscreamer | it just doesn't work and it used to |
| 15:44.21 | jetscreamer | iirc not just with > in it but i'm not sure |
| 15:44.40 | lunitik | g333k_work: yes, been a while since I used XChat though |
| 15:44.59 | lunitik | g333k_work: should be in an obvious place... |
| 15:45.00 | EEap | lunitik so Im trying to remove libfam0c102 but it gives me 102 broken pack. |
| 15:45.02 | jetscreamer | g333k_work: you can set it to identify in server list menu thingy |
| 15:45.22 | lunitik | EEap: ahhh... meh... |
| 15:45.28 | jetscreamer | under the x-chat toolbar thing up top |
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| 15:45.48 | jetscreamer | network list nowadays, in sid, used to be server list |
| 15:46.04 | stew | EEap: did you take the hold off of libfam0c102? |
| 15:46.15 | lunitik | EEap: anything important on that box? if you really want etch, there are installers for it that work... |
| 15:46.21 | stew | EEap: you also might try running the aptitude frontend and resolving the dependencies there |
| 15:46.31 | g333k | jetscreamer, excuse,,where? |
| 15:46.36 | lunitik | stew: would it stop removal if its held? |
| 15:46.41 | jetscreamer | the menu bar, up top |
| 15:46.45 | nimurphy | lunatic: out of interest, what installer would you suggest? |
| 15:46.45 | EEap | stew it isnt hold, just saying that its automaticly installed |
| 15:46.51 | jetscreamer | on left, XChat |
| 15:46.56 | stew | oh |
| 15:47.00 | jetscreamer | first one down after it pops up |
| 15:47.11 | lunitik | !testing installer |
| 15:47.21 | jetscreamer | !di |
| 15:47.22 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 15:47.29 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 15:47.42 | jetscreamer | it's -i anyway |
| 15:48.07 | nimurphy | lunatic: yeah, thats the one. had a nightmare with it myself. grand on the lappy but the sata issue is a b*stard unless you really know your s*it |
| 15:48.08 | lunitik | meh, they got rid of my facoid :( |
| 15:48.36 | lunitik | nimurphy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 15:48.53 | nimurphy | lunatic: the beta 2? |
| 15:48.54 | g333k | jetscreamer, yeah I wrote down there my nick, but what I want is to avoid this message: If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 15:49.05 | lunitik | nimurphy: beta2 ... as I haven't tried any nightly builds so can't speak of them |
| 15:49.33 | lunitik | nimurphy: fwiw, they have pretty buttons and stuff by default now... I just don't want to reinstall just to see them |
| 15:50.05 | jetscreamer | g333k: you hit that in the menu, you edit the freenode server entry, and you fill in your nickserv password |
| 15:50.22 | lunitik | Well... pretty is objective... GTK though... |
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| 15:50.41 | g333k | jetscreamer, oooh I realize now.. thanks a lot |
| 15:50.42 | nimurphy | lunatic: yeah i just couldn't get the installer to detect my cd. then used nightly floppies and coulnd't boot cause of the sata thing |
| 15:50.52 | lunitik | nimurphy: fix your auto-complete |
| 15:51.21 | nimurphy | ?? |
| 15:51.21 | jetscreamer | be original |
| 15:51.25 | EEap | stew and lunitik : I've removed the Auto Installed flag from libfam0c102 and from xlibmesa-glu, and the upgrade is running now :) thanks a lot you both |
| 15:51.26 | ciduz | hi! I'm searching for the apt list entries for sarge amd64 (k8)...could anyone please tell me were to get'em? |
| 15:51.29 | lunitik | nimurphy: its not a word in the english dictionary, its part of the title for a CD |
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| 15:51.38 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 15:51.38 | dpkg | well, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 15:51.42 | lunitik | EEap: you're welcome |
| 15:51.43 | dvs | nimurphy: it's lunitik not lunatic |
| 15:51.46 | jetscreamer | nm might not work |
| 15:52.05 | lunitik | dvs: thank you :D |
| 15:52.15 | lunitik | EEap: you're welcome |
| 15:52.18 | nimurphy | lunitic: apologies :) |
| 15:52.26 | dvs | lunatic: you're welcome... er... lunitik |
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| 15:52.33 | sbarn | hi..does anyone know how to recompile the DBIx::Password cpan perl module? or actually to reconfigure it? I skipped the virtual user part and now I realize i actually needed to set something ha. any ideas? thanks |
| 15:52.44 | lunitik | !punish dvs |
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| 15:52.51 | g333k | dvs, still having problems with my sound |
| 15:53.12 | lunitik | Whoa, I didn't mean it to be that mean :o |
| 15:53.19 | dvs | g333k: Well, I don't know what to say. If snd_pcm_oss is loaded then /dev/dsp should show up |
| 15:53.38 | streuner | udev? |
| 15:53.49 | ciduz | jetscreamer: does apt-spy also auto-select the right mirror for amd64? |
| 15:53.52 | dvs | streuner: yup. and it's a 2.6.16 kernel so it's mandatory |
| 15:54.01 | jetscreamer | [10.51.48] <jetscreamer> nm might not work |
| 15:54.04 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 15:54.10 | lunitik | Seems a few people lately are having that same issue... (/dev/dsp not being created even though card is detected) ... weird |
| 15:54.23 | lunitik | Can't be a coincidence still? |
| 15:54.35 | ciduz | hm. okay. |
| 15:54.42 | ciduz | brb |
| 15:55.10 | lunitik | Like 5 people at least in the last week... same exact issue... |
| 15:55.17 | stew | lunitik: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 15:55.43 | lunitik | stew: I'm not having issue... although I'd bet g333k is using snd-intel8x0 |
| 15:55.56 | dvs | stew: it's g333k |
| 15:56.10 | g333k | dvs, can you do me a favor? can you paste you /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and /etc/modprobe.d/sound files? |
| 15:56.17 | lunitik | stew: IMO something is wrong with that module, seems to be the only thing each I've seen have in common... |
| 15:56.50 | stew | dunno |
| 15:56.59 | g333k | I remember I had this problem in my desktop... I solved editing these files, the index of the devices |
| 15:57.09 | stew | g333k: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 15:57.16 | lunitik | g333k: what dist? are you using snd-intel8x0? (lsmod | grep snd-intel8x0) |
| 15:57.29 | stew | g333k: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:57.43 | g333k | stew, yep |
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| 15:58.14 | g333k | lunitik, debian etch, snd_atiixp |
| 15:58.27 | dvs | g333k: http://pastebin.ca/126539 |
| 15:58.37 | lunitik | g333k: then you didn't do what I asked... but thats fine, I guess its not the module... |
| 15:58.42 | dvs | g333k: I only have a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file |
| 16:00.45 | nimurphy | how does one go about unzipping bz2 files. i have bzip2 installed? |
| 16:00.59 | dvs | nimurphy: is it a tar as well? |
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| 16:01.37 | nimurphy | dvs: no, i accidentally bzipped it trying to unzip it. don't ask. |
| 16:01.57 | stew | nimurphy: bunzip2 file.bz2 |
| 16:02.00 | dvs | nimurphy: how? ;-) bunzip2 |
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| 16:03.40 | Jhair | any rhythmbox user (debian unstable) sees the same problem here http://mandala.no-ip.info/~jtocancipa/rhythmbox_missing_labels_toolbar.jpg |
| 16:03.44 | Jhair | ? |
| 16:03.50 | jetscreamer | nile! that was it! stone was nile! |
| 16:04.43 | stew | yeah there used to be a stoned named nile or nyle or something |
| 16:05.13 | jetscreamer | smae due |
| 16:05.16 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 16:05.19 | jetscreamer | same dude |
| 16:05.27 | stew | not as the current stoned, is it? |
| 16:05.48 | jetscreamer | i believe it to be true, he swears that's his only nick ever |
| 16:06.13 | jetscreamer | same guy imo |
| 16:06.57 | stew | stoned: are your parents doctors? |
| 16:07.36 | jbalcomb | Is anyone running DBMail and happen to have the .deb files for 2.0.7,8,9 or 10? |
| 16:07.45 | jetscreamer | Jhair: somebody did, unless that was you yesterday or so |
| 16:09.37 | stew | jetscreamer: i think i assumed it was someone different becuase the last guy capitalized the S |
| 16:10.22 | jetscreamer | he (the current) swears it wasn't him.. but i never remembered the other nick before |
| 16:10.47 | jetscreamer | they act the same, feel thesame.. |
| 16:11.05 | Jhair | jetscreamer: it wasn't me, I checked the bts and seems no one has reported that yet, will do |
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| 16:12.26 | g333k | stew, 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
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| 16:15.03 | stew | jetscreamer: yeah, its the same guy |
| 16:15.29 | foufou | how to password protect tarred archives |
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| 16:18.21 | nimurphy | hi, whats the main package for the gnu c comipiler and gnu make? |
| 16:19.11 | azeem | nimurphy: build-essential |
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| 16:19.48 | Masqy | hi guys, I think I'd like to install the latest etch, but I've dled and burned the 2 DVDs of Sarge... Are there DVD images of etch? what's the best way to install it? |
| 16:19.59 | jetscreamer | netinst |
| 16:20.41 | nimurphy | masqy: do you have any sata hds? if so you could run into give yourself a serious headache |
| 16:20.43 | Masqy | jetscreamer: are there DVD images of etch? I have a fast connection where I study, but back at home I'm afraid it can take ages... |
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| 16:21.42 | Masqy | nimurphy: you talk about Sarge or Etch ? I'm buying a new 250MB HD nowadays, but it'd probably be a IDE, since I think to install it on a PIII machine |
| 16:22.45 | nimurphy | masqy: talking about etch. it reads satas as scsis. not a bug, but takes some knowhow to get it working. |
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| 16:22.56 | marculix | . |
| 16:23.15 | Masqy | nimurphy: how does Sarge deal with sata? |
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| 16:23.41 | nimurphy | masqy: but i'm not any good at that sort of stuff do don't take my word for it. |
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| 16:24.43 | nimurphy | masqy: sarge is fine. way i did it was get installer for etch and where it says 'enter to boot', type in 'install24'. it'll install the 2.4 kernel which has no troube with sata |
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| 16:25.26 | nimurphy | how do i launch a new server in xchat without disconnecting from this one. is it /server? |
| 16:25.35 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:26.05 | Masqy | but this will be only theoretical if I buy a IDE HD, right? |
| 16:28.06 | nimurphy | yeah, and if you're building a p3, make sure your mb has sata support. with ide the etch installer will be fine |
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| 16:28.58 | Masqy | nimurphy: ?? If I don't install sata, but use IDE ,why should I care about my mb having sata support? |
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| 16:35.19 | M4STA | tach leute weiß jemand wie ich ein .tar archiv mit einem passwort schütze ? |
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| 16:37.23 | Jhair | M4STA: AFAIK tar doesn't do that, I think you can protect archives with rar instead. And this is an english-speaking channel |
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| 16:37.47 | disposable | i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers the debian way on my etch. i installed nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-2-686 package but when i try to install nvidia-glx, it says it doesn't exist. what should i do? |
| 16:38.42 | M4STA | ok sorry |
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| 16:39.48 | Trek00 | disposable: etch is testing? |
| 16:40.22 | disposable | Trek00: afaik :) |
| 16:40.31 | Evan__ | help my dabian instalation wont succes..i have a laptop pentuim1 and try to do the netinstall via floppys it all works but when it comes to the network it gives no link |
| 16:40.50 | Evan__ | ifconfig gives eth0 |
| 16:40.59 | Trek00 | disposable: ok, there isn't any nvidia-glx package in testing: see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=nvidia-glx and use unstable package instead |
| 16:41.00 | Evan__ | but there is jsut no link |
| 16:41.23 | disposable | Trek00: thanks |
| 16:41.52 | Trek00 | Evan__: the network is configured ritght? |
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| 16:42.03 | Evan__ | dhcp. |
| 16:42.14 | Evan__ | TREKK()() dhcp |
| 16:42.53 | Trek00 | Evan__: and what was wrong? (the error message or whatever) |
| 16:43.41 | Evan__ | TREK()() well it the dhcp configureng in the instalation cant reach the router |
| 16:43.56 | Evan__ | TREK()() as i said i isnt giving a light , |
| 16:44.01 | Trek00 | ah |
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| 16:44.14 | Evan__ | but i does find the network adaptor |
| 16:44.21 | Evan__ | ehh network card |
| 16:44.28 | Trek00 | check the cable, then the dhcp server and as last resort the eth0 kernel drivers |
| 16:45.02 | Evan__ | the dhcp server work because thsi pc is on the same server |
| 16:45.23 | Evan__ | the cable iver tried already 3 cat5 cables |
| 16:45.51 | Evan__ | how do i checht eth0 kernel drivers? |
| 16:45.51 | Trek00 | Evan__: if you google the laptop model AND ethernet model AND linux OR debian you may find some general troubleshooting if known |
| 16:46.32 | Trek00 | Evan__: the dhcp server may differ in configuration/actions for some MAC address |
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| 16:47.01 | Trek00 | Evan__: if you don't know the ethernet model you can do more /proc/pci |
| 16:47.17 | Evan__ | wait ifconfig gives soem error |
| 16:47.31 | Evan__ | interrupt 3 base addrss |
| 16:47.44 | Evan__ | :0x300 |
| 16:48.01 | Evan__ | you know what it could be? |
| 16:48.30 | stoned | what do you want with me? |
| 16:48.41 | Trek00 | Evan__: it is not an error |
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| 16:49.04 | Trek00 | Evan__: is the hardware IRQ and memory mapped address |
| 16:49.25 | Evan__ | does it mean there is nothing wrong witht he network card? |
| 16:49.52 | Trek00 | Evan__: please to configure the network manually doing ifconfig YOURIP netmask YOURMASK |
| 16:49.56 | dcnstrct | guys, I had some bad ram the other day it was causing a large percentage of my apps to crash on startup. I replaced it all. Now every app works fine EXCEPT the apt suite. For example: |
| 16:49.57 | dcnstrct | dcnstrct@dragoon:~$ sudo apt-cache search foo |
| 16:49.57 | dcnstrct | Segmentation fault |
| 16:50.08 | dcnstrct | any ideas ? |
| 16:50.27 | Trek00 | dcnstrct: try to reinstall |
| 16:50.34 | dcnstrct | the entire OS ? |
| 16:50.36 | Trek00 | dcnstrct: bad ram can cause bad writes on the drive |
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| 16:50.42 | Trek00 | only apt stuff |
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| 16:51.04 | Evan__ | Trek00 even when the light on the router isnt burning? |
| 16:51.06 | dcnstrct | Trek00, is there a wiki for that or something ? sounds hard... |
| 16:51.12 | stoned | stew, Nile is a band, and my nicks include Opiated, LordofthePing, bungnugget, and a few others, but I've always been stoned. Yes my folks are doctors, what do want with me? |
| 16:51.18 | stoned | I confuse |
| 16:51.19 | Trek00 | Evan__: yes |
| 16:51.34 | Trek00 | Evan__: do ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 16:51.49 | Trek00 | dcnstrct: i don't know |
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| 16:52.33 | dcnstrct | thnx trek |
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| 16:53.13 | zzsputnik | hello |
| 16:53.17 | Trek00 | dcnstrct: you should download apt-packages then do dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 16:53.20 | Evan__ | Trek00 still no light burning |
| 16:53.50 | Trek00 | Evan__: find the model of you ethernet adapter with more /proc/pci |
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| 16:54.24 | Trek00 | dcnstrct: then if apt run fine, you should install debsums and run it to check if there are others packages broken |
| 16:54.25 | Evan__ | Trek00 not found |
| 16:54.34 | FernandoM | Hello, could someone recommend a tutorial of how to integrate a ftp server with mysql? |
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| 16:54.52 | Trek00 | Evan__: grep Ether /proc/pci |
| 16:55.13 | dcnstrct | Trek00, will do |
| 16:55.15 | dcnstrct | thnx |
| 16:55.32 | Trek00 | be happy :> |
| 16:55.58 | Evan__ | Trek00 not found |
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| 16:56.37 | Trek00 | Evan__: you are really unluky, you probably have a non-PCI ethernet adapter |
| 16:56.54 | Evan__ | it is a laptop |
| 16:57.02 | zzsputnik | i would like to make an size adjustment to my desktop, but there are only 2 possibilitys, but nothing to make this 1024x768 can anybody help me please |
| 16:57.11 | stew | stoned: oh, i was just curious. i didn't think you were the stoned that was in here a couple of years ago that also went by Nile or Nyle. the only detail i could remember about that person was that he said his parents were doctors |
| 16:57.20 | ry1 | evan: are you talking about an internal nic? |
| 16:57.21 | Trek00 | Evan__: yes ok, but if i remember only the old laptops don't have pci |
| 16:57.34 | stew | stoned: and don't ask me why i remember that, i dunno |
| 16:57.42 | Evan__ | and information on the web says it would be proberly fine |
| 16:57.47 | ry1 | trek: that's true, I have a panasonic toughbook cf47 and it's internal nic doesn't register at all |
| 16:57.55 | ry1 | had to use a PCMCIA one |
| 16:57.58 | fireba11_grr | hm .. on one box i upgraded from sarge to etch .. now apt downloads Release.gpg with EVERY apt-get update ... it doesn't complain about anything, but that is clearly not standard behaviour .. anyoen knows how to fix that ? |
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| 16:58.38 | Trek00 | Evan__: what informations? can i see? |
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| 16:58.46 | narak_ | anyone been able to create the hptmv module under debian etch? Compiling goes well, but: |
| 16:58.48 | narak_ | http://pastebin.ca/126589 |
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| 16:59.33 | Trek00 | ry1: i don't know the laptops hardware, i don't know how to help Evan__ |
| 16:59.49 | ry1 | evan: what is the name and model num of the laptop |
| 16:59.49 | Evan__ | Trek00 well i dont knwo wehere it is but a friend tried to help me over the phone he looked it up |
| 16:59.50 | narak_ | its for the RocketRAID 1820A card |
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| 17:00.38 | stoned | stew, I am |
| 17:00.38 | Evan__ | satellite 110cs =laptop dynalink l10c=networkcard |
| 17:00.51 | narak_ | debian finds the card with sata_mv module, but it messes it up finds all the disks as single disks with IO errors on, not as a RAID5 set |
| 17:00.54 | stoned | stew, but it was also my brother who came in here and used to troll, same ip, diff nick |
| 17:01.10 | stoned | stew, but then I moved away, and he still stays with my parents |
| 17:01.10 | Evan__ | ry1 TREKK00 satellite 110cs =laptop dynalink l10c=networkcard |
| 17:01.28 | Evan__ | TREK00 * satellite 110cs =laptop dynalink l10c=networkcard |
| 17:01.44 | Evan__ | brb |
| 17:02.25 | Evan__ | bb |
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| 17:02.52 | Trek00 | Evan__: it's hard to find |
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| 17:03.31 | ry1 | trek: amen to that :) |
| 17:03.39 | ry1 | and that's a very old laptop |
| 17:03.42 | Evan__ | TREK00 Toshiba Satellite 110CS * |
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| 17:04.22 | stoned | stew, was he in here again? how did this come up? I mean, should I be concerned? |
| 17:04.36 | disposable | I've installed nvidia drivers the debian way, glxgears look nice, BUT eats 99% of my cpu when running and says Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". how do i fix this? |
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| 17:07.11 | Evan__ | TREK00 PC Card controller TypeIIx2 or TypeIIIx1 |
| 17:07.49 | Trek00 | Evan__: if ifconfig show the eth0 it should be recognized by the kernel, but i can't find any driver supporting it. Once found the driver may be there is some known issue. if not you should buy another card, that you are sure that is supported. |
| 17:08.10 | ry1 | evan: I recomend a dlink pcmcia card |
| 17:08.23 | ry1 | the new kernel 2.6s even support hotplugging quite nicely |
| 17:08.38 | Trek00 | ry1: dlink sometimes uses texas instruments chipset that are not supported at all |
| 17:08.50 | Trek00 | realtek/intel are more compatible |
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| 17:08.58 | ry1 | trek: really? guess I got lucky :) my dlink is a realtech |
| 17:09.33 | Trek00 | ry1: i have a wireless dlink that use ti chipset. i must use ndiswrapper :( |
| 17:10.18 | ry1 | trek: that sucks, again I got lucky and got one that happened to be atheros |
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| 17:10.37 | Evan__ | sorrie was goen fora sec |
| 17:10.40 | ry1 | trek: one hardware revision higher though and it would have been useless |
| 17:10.42 | ry1 | :) |
| 17:10.45 | Trek00 | ry1: yes... and me unluky :> |
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| 17:12.12 | Trek00 | Evan__: i repeat: if ifconfig show the eth0 it should be recognized by the kernel, but i can't find any driver supporting it. Once found the driver may be there is some known issue. if not, you should buy another card, that you are sure that is supported. At last resort you can try to install linux on the harddisk from another pc, than try to boot and see if ndiswrapper can use your adapter. |
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| 17:12.45 | ry1 | evan: or try upgrading to the latest kernel, it might have new drivers |
| 17:12.58 | fireba11 | where did apt-setup in etch go ? |
| 17:13.08 | ry1 | trek: in my case, not even windows can use my nic card :) |
| 17:13.16 | ry1 | something is seriously wrong with hit |
| 17:13.19 | ry1 | it |
| 17:13.19 | ry1 | * |
| 17:13.49 | Evan__ | ry1 how can i uodate while im still in instalation? |
| 17:14.09 | ry1 | oh jees, you are trying to use a netinst cd? |
| 17:14.24 | Evan__ | floppy:P |
| 17:14.25 | jelly | how large can a initrd be? |
| 17:14.28 | ry1 | ah |
| 17:15.04 | Trek00 | jelly: how ram your system have? :> |
| 17:16.07 | jelly | Trek00: so, there's no effective limit? |
| 17:17.01 | Trek00 | jelly: the limit is the cramfs limit, i think 256MBytes |
| 17:17.11 | jelly | Trek00: oh, my initrd is ext2. ;-) |
| 17:17.22 | Trek00 | ext2? |
| 17:17.32 | Trek00 | the initrd file is a cramfs image |
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| 17:17.45 | jelly | Trek00: hmm |
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| 17:18.19 | jelly | Trek00: err. it's not ext2, sorry. |
| 17:18.25 | tnks | Hi. how do I get my computer to respond to remote pings? |
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| 17:19.07 | jelly | Trek00: i've unpacked and mounted it and it says it's a "romfs". |
| 17:19.22 | Trek00 | jelly: romfs? |
| 17:19.32 | jelly | yeah |
| 17:19.57 | jelly | custom kernel, a coworker builds it, I test it. |
| 17:20.06 | Trek00 | jelly: what version of debian you use? |
| 17:20.07 | Trek00 | ah ok |
| 17:20.11 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i add new scsi addapters required for boot to the initrd of the debian kernel? |
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| 17:21.46 | thnee | why do i get /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! when i add a pci ide controllercard? |
| 17:22.12 | ry1 | did you add support for it in your kernel? |
| 17:22.44 | thnee | no, but should it really panic just because there is some hardware that isnt supported? |
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| 17:22.52 | ry1 | if it's the eide, yes |
| 17:23.00 | ry1 | then it can't access the hdd |
| 17:23.01 | ry1 | :) |
| 17:23.08 | ry1 | I learned that the hard way |
| 17:23.12 | jelly | thnee: it panics if it can't find root fs. |
| 17:23.15 | thnee | the hdd is accessable, its on the regular ide controller |
| 17:23.20 | ry1 | oh |
| 17:23.26 | thnee | it boots if i remove the controller card |
| 17:24.04 | ry1 | maybe it tries to access the PCI card first and then doesn't try the on board controller, I think there's an option to switch that around in the kernel config |
| 17:24.36 | ry1 | yes there is, under device drivers/sata eide support |
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| 17:26.08 | thnee | i see, bummer debians default kernel doesnt do that, i was hoping i wouldnt have to compile my own kernel |
| 17:26.13 | thnee | i hate doing that |
| 17:26.29 | ry1 | thnee: it's a good experience, it helps you learn alot :) |
| 17:26.34 | ry1 | don't worry, I hate it too |
| 17:26.40 | thnee | ive done it several times |
| 17:26.49 | thnee | i just think its boring |
| 17:26.59 | ry1 | me too, during the last three days, still trying to get it exactly right for my laptop |
| 17:27.16 | ry1 | but it's only a 600 mhz, very slow compiler :) |
| 17:27.28 | thnee | yeah mines 700 |
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| 17:27.37 | ry1 | thnee: look into distcc |
| 17:27.48 | ry1 | very convenient, but I'm too lazy to set it up :) |
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| 17:27.57 | thnee | got it at my student network, but not at home |
| 17:28.01 | ry1 | ah |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 17:28.04 | dpkg | it has been said that devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 17:28.16 | ry1 | hello abrotman :) |
| 17:28.21 | abrotman | hi |
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| 17:29.40 | thnee | abrotman: thanks, ill try MAKEDEV update |
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| 17:30.08 | thnee | can i use the debian netinst as a live cd? |
| 17:30.36 | thnee | does it have anything useful on it? |
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| 17:31.05 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 17:31.06 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/, or http://live.debian.net/, or #debian-live on oftc |
| 17:31.29 | abrotman | !livecd =~ s#/,#/# |
| 17:31.29 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 17:31.31 | abrotman | !livecd =~ s#/,#/# |
| 17:31.36 | chris_173 | hey..during installing the nvidia-glx driver, (starting the x-server finally) I get the error "module GLcore not loaded, file does not exist" |
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| 17:31.43 | chris_173 | did I forget something? |
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| 17:33.46 | WillyWortel | #flood |
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| 17:38.37 | chris_173 | noone there who knows which package contains the module "GLcore"? |
| 17:39.21 | Trek00 | chris_173: use packages.debian.org |
| 17:39.37 | Trek00 | chris_173: or download the file Contents-i386.gz (or your architecture) |
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| 17:40.26 | FernandoM | Why do when i start pure-ftpd-mysql on debian i can't see it on pstree ? |
| 17:41.23 | Trek00 | chris_173: i'm sorry but i don't remembered that the packages is not in main. libGLcore.so is in nvidia-glx |
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| 17:42.53 | aarkerio | hi! how can I reinvoke the apt-setup dialog? |
| 17:43.37 | abrotman | run it again ... |
| 17:43.47 | aarkerio | I mean, before I used the command "apt-setup" |
| 17:44.18 | aarkerio | but is not available on Etch |
| 17:44.32 | Ronin | no its been removed on etch, |
| 17:44.43 | Ronin | now what the heck was it replaced with, come on old man think |
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| 17:45.02 | stew | aarkerio: you have to edit the file by hand |
| 17:45.17 | Ronin | stew: no replacement? just a manual touch? |
| 17:45.24 | stew | Ronin: no replacement |
| 17:45.32 | FernandoM | hello, i have removed proftpd but it seens to still be "running" ( http://forumdebian.pastebin.ca/126651 ) |
| 17:45.35 | FernandoM | how can i stop it? |
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| 17:46.11 | Trek00 | bye |
| 17:46.15 | Trek00 | :> |
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| 17:47.09 | aarkerio | well, I will use apt-spy |
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| 17:49.06 | stray_ | chris_173, goto http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages and try glcore for the keyword; search Descriptions; select "any" for the distribution. |
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| 17:49.30 | abrotman | FernandoM: kill the process |
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| 17:49.54 | FernandoM | abrotman: how can i kill? |
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| 17:50.07 | abrotman | FernandoM: oh .. fuser -n tcp 21 |
| 17:50.30 | quitte | hi. is there a way to apt-get update without using the pdiffs? |
| 17:51.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 17:51.12 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:51.38 | quitte | ok. too much trouble. i want it just once. |
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| 17:52.43 | FernandoM | abrotman: thanks, but now i'm trying to start pure-ftpd and nothings happens (/etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql start). what can i do? |
| 17:54.16 | SpeedyG | manually compile it, the .deb package for pure-ftpd misses some nice features :p |
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| 17:55.28 | knowwho | mm/filemap.c: In function `generic_file_buffered_write': |
| 17:55.28 | knowwho | mm/filemap.c:2098: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 17:55.30 | SpeedyG | but FernandoM, does it give any error messages? |
| 17:55.30 | knowwho | :/ |
| 17:55.36 | knowwho | any idea? |
| 17:55.44 | SpeedyG | knowwho: wait till the bug is fixed |
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| 17:55.56 | SpeedyG | but thats been said like 10 times to you allready |
| 17:56.10 | knowwho | SpeedyG: when? |
| 17:56.11 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: no, tried to look at the logs and didn't found anything :( |
| 17:56.29 | SpeedyG | knowwho: how should I know when a certain bug is fixe3d |
| 17:56.42 | Marupa | hi, I'm trying to get the nvidia drivers working on my debian testing 2.6 install...and it complains of not being able to load glx or nviaid. |
| 17:56.44 | Marupa | nvidia* |
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| 17:57.12 | abrotman | FernandoM: is anything else using port 21? |
| 17:57.46 | covux | hi. i just had the prob that the mousedev module wasnt loaded automaticaly at startup so xorg refused to start. could anyone confirm this? (debian sid latest packages) |
| 17:57.53 | SpeedyG | FernandoM: what if you start pure-ftpd manually ? (/usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd -l mysql:<your pureftpd-mysql.conf> & |
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| 17:58.41 | Bush_Doctor | hello... can someone tell me how the dependencies of a deb package can be listed? |
| 17:59.37 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: i don't have /usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd in my system :( |
| 17:59.55 | SpeedyG | do a 'whereis pure-ftpd' :) |
| 18:00.07 | SpeedyG | and start that one with the -l mysql:<etc> option |
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| 18:00.40 | stoned | Bush_Doctor, I think you can apt-cache show pkg|grep Depends |
| 18:00.48 | stoned | or depends, |
| 18:00.55 | stoned | I think its uppercase |
| 18:01.12 | Bush_Doctor | ok wait |
| 18:01.12 | stew | Bush_Doctor: apt-cache depends packagename |
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| 18:01.23 | stoned | or that |
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| 18:02.03 | Marupa | anyone able to help me fix my nvidia/x problem? |
| 18:02.04 | FernandoM | abrotman: netstat -a doesn't show anything |
| 18:02.12 | stoned | but the grep one shows version info |
| 18:02.22 | stoned | number |
| 18:02.23 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: |
| 18:02.24 | FernandoM | whereis pure-ftpd |
| 18:02.24 | FernandoM | pure-ftpd: /etc/pure-ftpd /usr/share/man/man8/pure-ftpd.8.gz |
| 18:02.48 | Bush_Doctor | yeah cuz im tryin to remaster kanotix live cd |
| 18:03.02 | Bush_Doctor | and need some dependencies of programs i want to add |
| 18:04.35 | SpeedyG | FernandoM: perhaps pure-ftpd-mysql ? |
| 18:04.48 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: yes, it is in /usr/bin/ |
| 18:04.56 | Bush_Doctor | ok wait (reboot) |
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| 18:05.31 | disposable | Marupa: you have to do it the debian way. i've just finished. one thing to note is that |
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| 18:05.53 | Marupa | I tried. didn't work. |
| 18:05.55 | disposable | Marupa: nvidia-glx is not available for testing, so you have to use one from unstable. |
| 18:06.05 | Marupa | I just did a m-a for it. |
| 18:06.07 | Marupa | still doesn't work. |
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| 18:06.34 | SpeedyG | FernandoM: try to manually start that, and see what it gives for output :) |
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| 18:06.57 | disposable | Marupa: try installing the nvidia-kernel-2.6.xx-x-xxx module and nvidia-glx |
| 18:07.02 | disposable | Marupa: that worked for me |
| 18:07.15 | Marupa | apt-get, or which? |
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| 18:07.58 | disposable | Marupa: you can use apt-get for the nvidia-kernel... module but you'll have to manually downlaod the nvidia-glx package and install it with dpkg -i |
| 18:08.36 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: is it supposed to come back to shell? |
| 18:08.59 | SpeedyG | did you put an & sign behind it? |
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| 18:09.11 | Marupa | ok...? I'm pretty new to this, you'd have to guide me. |
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| 18:09.48 | disposable | Marupa: what does 'uname -r' say? |
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| 18:09.59 | Marupa | just a sec, updating the apt database. |
| 18:10.03 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: now i did :P |
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| 18:10.18 | SpeedyG | FernandoM: when you didnt, it returned to shell again ? |
| 18:10.27 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: no |
| 18:10.47 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: i'm able to connect now, but i'm disconnect right after sending the password |
| 18:10.54 | FernandoM | disconnected* |
| 18:10.59 | SpeedyG | what error? |
| 18:11.13 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: none, just disconnected |
| 18:11.13 | SpeedyG | 530 authentication failed? |
| 18:11.47 | SpeedyG | weird |
| 18:12.07 | SpeedyG | well, due to the lack of virtual-chroot support in the .deb packages I started to find out how to manually compile it |
| 18:12.10 | Marupa | 2.6.15-1.486 |
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| 18:12.42 | SpeedyG | and except for some startup problems with md5 passwords, it all worked fine |
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| 18:13.26 | jonkri | why isn't there a newer libc6 in debian testing than in debian stable? (amd64) thanks in advance... |
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| 18:13.49 | disposable | Marupa: it's all here. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but i can help you if you get stuck. that version of kernel has prebuilt module package available so you should be fine |
| 18:13.50 | stew | jonkri: there is |
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| 18:14.12 | Marupa | thanks, I'll try to get as far as I can. |
| 18:14.19 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: just a moment, i'm putting it on pb |
| 18:14.35 | stew | jonkri: stable has 2.3.2.ds1-22 testing has 2.3.6-15 |
| 18:15.08 | pdbogen | What do I need to do to build modules against the debian kernel package? |
| 18:15.11 | pdbogen | (In Stable?) |
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| 18:15.27 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: Aug 11 15:13:45 localhost pure-ftpd: (?@192.168.0.3) [ERROR] Home directory not available - aborting <---- permissions right? |
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| 18:15.48 | SpeedyG | could be |
| 18:15.49 | stew | pdbogen: build-essental and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ; depending on what you are adding you might want module-assistant to compile it |
| 18:15.58 | SpeedyG | what are the permissions of the set homedir? |
| 18:16.08 | jonkri | stew for some reason my testing sources has 2.3.2 and it breaks my system when i dist-upgrade |
| 18:16.09 | SpeedyG | (and the homedir of the user you're logging in, is that available?) |
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| 18:16.23 | pdbogen | stew: Thanks. |
| 18:16.38 | jonkri | stew and it's the official es.debian sources |
| 18:16.50 | stew | jonkri: what is the url for testing that you are trying to use? |
| 18:17.10 | stew | jonkri: it should NOT look like http://foo/debian/debian-amd64 |
| 18:17.25 | jonkri | stew it does. it's right from the cd, so... |
| 18:17.26 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: logged in! i tought pureftpd would create homedir |
| 18:17.33 | jonkri | oh |
| 18:17.40 | SpeedyG | it only does that when you tell it to ) |
| 18:17.56 | FernandoM | how can i tell it to? :P |
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| 18:18.09 | SpeedyG | there should be a file put in /etc/pure-ftpd/config |
| 18:18.10 | jonkri | i expect the instsallation cd not to screw things up |
| 18:18.15 | SpeedyG | or /conf |
| 18:18.16 | jonkri | obviously, i can't assume it wont |
| 18:18.18 | jonkri | how should i change it? |
| 18:18.24 | SpeedyG | and what that should be called.. is something i've got to look up |
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| 18:18.35 | SpeedyG | the only thing in there, is 'yes' without the '' ;) |
| 18:19.54 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: ok, thank you very much for your help. |
| 18:22.27 | thnee | !devconsole said abrotman but im still not quite sure what to do really, that talk on those websites are way over my head |
| 18:22.27 | dpkg | thnee: what are you talking about? |
| 18:22.42 | thnee | !devconsole |
| 18:22.42 | dpkg | devconsole is, like, http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 18:23.43 | stew | jonkri: get rid of the debian-amd64 from the url, amd64 is now part of the official mirrors for etch |
| 18:24.32 | thnee | i get that kernel panic about dev/console when i add a ide controller card, and i have read those webpages, but im still kinda clueless |
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| 18:25.06 | thnee | someone else said that i shoud ltry installing udev instead of devfs |
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| 18:26.26 | stew | thnee: what kernel version are you using? and what version of debian? |
| 18:26.37 | jonkri | stew thanks |
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| 18:26.58 | thnee | stew: 2.6.8 stable |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | did you just upgrade from 2.4 ? |
| 18:27.35 | thnee | no, installed linux26 |
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| 18:28.09 | thnee | works fine if i remove the ide card, but panics when its in |
| 18:28.34 | SpeedyG | FernandoM: you can also try to start it with the -j option... that would also enable 'createhomedir' options :) |
| 18:29.04 | FernandoM | SpeedyG: just found the file /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/CreateHomeDir :) thanks |
| 18:29.14 | SpeedyG | ah:) |
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| 18:29.29 | SpeedyG | that was it, I wasnt sure about what chars to do in uppercase ;) |
| 18:29.57 | HuK0B | Can you give me some http or ftp link to download debian woody r6 CD Images |
| 18:30.02 | abrotman | really? |
| 18:30.06 | fresch | im writing a shell script, its |
| 18:30.08 | fresch | oops |
| 18:30.30 | abrotman | http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r6/jigdo/i386/ |
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| 18:31.00 | fresch | im writing a shell script, its run by root. and in this shell script i want to unzip an archive but i want these files to be owned by another user. how would i do that? |
| 18:31.22 | abrotman | use chown ? |
| 18:31.26 | HuK0B | 10x |
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| 18:31.42 | bluefox83 | i have a very strange and serious issue, nothing works again...i can't launch anything, i'm getting a bus error when i try to launch firefox...most of my regular commands like ifconfig and lsmod are working..i get "input/output error" |
| 18:31.47 | burton82 | hey |
| 18:31.54 | chris_173 | hey...could anyone pleease take some look on this XFree86 log: I just tried to install nvidia_glx and I receive a black screen - nothing works anymore, except of my num led =/ http://onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=839 |
| 18:31.57 | thnee | stew: any ideas? |
| 18:31.58 | bluefox83 | *are not working |
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| 18:32.02 | muaddib | Is anyone familiar with the intel driver that controls both SATA and IDE controllers together |
| 18:32.04 | muaddib | the reason I ask is that the SATA portion seems to be recognized by the linux kernel but the IDE portion seems to be ignored |
| 18:32.15 | stew | !devconsole |
| 18:32.16 | dpkg | it has been said that devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 18:32.20 | stew | thnee: maybe? ^^ |
| 18:32.23 | burton82 | i am searching for a howto to make a software raid controller on debian etch testing |
| 18:32.25 | abrotman | chris_173: is the monitor turning off ? |
| 18:32.29 | bluefox83 | chris_173, join #nvidia, they have a nice little script that can get everything installed for you really nicely |
| 18:32.41 | chris_173 | abrotman: no, it doesnt. |
| 18:32.42 | burton82 | i couldnt find the paket raidtool2 |
| 18:32.45 | abrotman | bluefox83: that's not the debian way .... |
| 18:32.52 | burton82 | is there another pakcet? |
| 18:32.54 | thnee | stew: as i said, i have read that, and i dont really understand, or know which one is my problem |
| 18:33.08 | abrotman | chris_173: have you tried other resolutions ? |
| 18:33.12 | bluefox83 | abrotman, sadly the debian way doesn't woprk as well as their way |
| 18:33.16 | bluefox83 | *work |
| 18:33.17 | fresch | abrotman, this zip contains a large number of files, and i really don't want to enumerate them all and chown them all. |
| 18:33.24 | chris_173 | abrotman: okay..I will do so - do I first need to remove something I already installed? |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1152x768": |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | (WW) NVIDIA(0): horizontal sync start (1178) not a multiple of 8 |
| 18:33.41 | abrotman | fresch: chown -R ? |
| 18:34.01 | chris_173 | abrotman: were to change them? directly in my config file? You know..these are 2 22" monitors.. dunno why they shouldnt work with this res, especially cause they did so in win |
| 18:34.06 | abrotman | chris_173: you picked the wrong refresh or something |
| 18:34.11 | abrotman | !drxx chris_173 |
| 18:34.11 | dpkg | chris_173: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:34.29 | abrotman | chris_173: i'm just reading your log and suggesting ideas |
| 18:34.47 | bluefox83 | ok, i have some errors i need to post to show you guys me problem..but i can't get a browser to open... |
| 18:34.58 | chris_173 | okay... abrotman: But at least, the log says that he uses 1600*1200.so I guess this shouldnt be a prob |
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| 18:36.05 | chris_173 | abrotman: you mentioned a script: did you mean the one that came from nvidia directly (downloadable?) ? |
| 18:36.28 | abrotman | that wasn't me .. and i wouldn't use it (though .. i would buy nvidia either) |
| 18:36.45 | fresch | abrotman, so there isn't a simple way to run the unzip command in a root shell script as a different user? that's all i would like to know. because if there isn't i would have to look for a different way to make this script work |
| 18:36.50 | bluefox83 | nvidia is the best video card company out there for working with linux o.o |
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| 18:36.58 | wols | abrotman: I'm curious, what would you buy? |
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| 18:37.13 | abrotman | wols: intel? :) |
| 18:37.15 | ttl- | hi |
| 18:37.21 | wols | abrotman: game much? |
| 18:37.23 | abrotman | bluefox83: it's not even close .. it's crap |
| 18:37.25 | abrotman | wols: nope :) |
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| 18:37.40 | muaddib | anyone |
| 18:37.47 | Vasistha | free-zombie: oh, sure, you can use su to become the other user and run the script as that user |
| 18:37.52 | bluefox83 | abrotman, just cus you can't seem to figure it out, doesn't mean their cards aren't excellent :p |
| 18:37.54 | Vasistha | oops, wrong highlight, sorry free-zombie |
| 18:37.55 | burton82 | someone knows how to get with a software raid? |
| 18:37.57 | Vasistha | fresch: see above |
| 18:38.05 | wols | abrotman: for 3D he's right. of course their drivers are still all crap and their spec policy is heinous |
| 18:38.19 | abrotman | bluefox83: they make fucking closed hardware .. it's a shitty shitty company .. and you're endorsing the way they fuck over their customers |
| 18:38.39 | chris_173 | damn..my meal seems to go to hell..will be back in some minutes. |
| 18:38.52 | Vasistha | bluefox83: nvidia is not a good video card company for working with linux. |
| 18:38.56 | fresch | Vasistha, hmm, would not work, the script is run by gdm on login. gdm executes that script as root. |
| 18:38.56 | bluefox83 | they gotta make money somehow...atleast they make a point to release drivers for the linux community for all of their cards |
| 18:39.08 | abrotman | other companies don't seem to have problems having open drivers |
| 18:39.17 | Vasistha | fresch: within the script, you can use the su command to have the unzip run by a normal user |
| 18:39.20 | wols | abrotman: the way to change that is the never buy ati and let nvidia and ati know why. if/when ati changes and is a little better in opennes you buy theirs. and so on |
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| 18:39.29 | abrotman | wols: i don't buy either |
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| 18:39.33 | fresch | Vasistha, oh, i can? that's good news... |
| 18:39.45 | b0ss | http://unsecure-os.net |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
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| 18:39.58 | Vasistha | fresch: yeah, it works like this: su fresch 'unzip file' |
| 18:40.02 | ttl- | i have a problem with my external usb harddisk, when i plug it in and turn it on i get some errors about not be able to read the disk, when i first turn it on and wait 10sec and than plug it in the usb port it works fine, looks like the external drive needs a few sec to start up and debian is trying to mount it to fast, can i delay things a bit ? |
| 18:40.17 | wols | abrotman: yes cause you don't need their feature set. but for the features, those are the only games in town. will be interesting what happens with amd/ati in the future. after all they want to compete with intel, not nvidia |
| 18:40.19 | abrotman | wols: the mac mini i got has an ati card .. but afaict it works with ope drivers |
| 18:40.24 | abrotman | open |
| 18:40.26 | bluefox83 | so is anyone going to even look at the stuff i put in #flood? i do need help you know -_- |
| 18:40.35 | abrotman | no .. nvidia user! |
| 18:40.54 | Vasistha | bluefox83: you might ask #nvidia and also paste on a pastebin rather than #flood |
| 18:41.04 | abrotman | wols: we'll see .. they can make custom interconnect crap for ati cards on amd boards |
| 18:41.05 | wols | bluefox83: harddisk failure? |
| 18:41.07 | bluefox83 | Vasistha, my issue is not a video card issue... |
| 18:41.27 | bluefox83 | wols, i don't know..how would i diagnose that? |
| 18:41.50 | wols | abrotman: no they can't. for high priced workstations they can. but not for mass market office desktops where the volume is (and amd wants volume to keep the fabs humming) |
| 18:42.02 | wols | bluefox83: smartmontools |
| 18:42.04 | wols | hdparm |
| 18:42.07 | bluefox83 | pretty sure if i had a hard disk failure i wouldn't be able to get anything from an ls |
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| 18:42.32 | wols | bluefox83: don't forget your diskcache |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | wols: i have a feeling ati will continue to compete with nvidia |
| 18:42.49 | Vasistha | ttl-: that's actually kind of weird, unless you've got some weird auto-mounting thing installed, debian shouldn't auto-mount it at all. What version of debian are you using? |
| 18:42.51 | wols | abrotman: yes they will. but it's not the reason amd bought them |
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| 18:43.09 | bluefox83 | wols, well..now i can't get apt to work... |
| 18:43.24 | wols | bluefox83: and what EXACT error? |
| 18:43.24 | bluefox83 | debian:/home/bluefox# apt-cache search smartmontools |
| 18:43.24 | bluefox83 | bash: /usr/bin/apt-cache: Input/output error |
| 18:43.26 | abrotman | wols: duh :) |
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| 18:43.49 | wols | bluefox83: does dmesg give bad errors? |
| 18:44.04 | bluefox83 | uhm...i have no idea o.o |
| 18:44.05 | ttl- | Vasistha: just /etc/fstab |
| 18:44.17 | wols | bluefox83: keep a live CD handy and reboot. cross fingers really really hard |
| 18:44.21 | abrotman | bluefox83: possibly bad ram |
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| 18:44.39 | ttl- | Vasistha: Etch |
| 18:44.44 | bluefox83 | crap, that means i need to run a ram check :( |
| 18:44.50 | abrotman | duh |
| 18:44.58 | bluefox83 | i gotta reboot for that :( |
| 18:44.59 | ttl- | Vasistha: i have set it to automount in /etc/fstab |
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| 18:45.02 | wols | bluefox83: from what you describe it very much sounds like hardware |
| 18:45.04 | abrotman | bluefox83: does apt-get update work ? |
| 18:45.27 | wols | can I/O error be network related maybe? |
| 18:45.29 | wols | NIC? |
| 18:45.35 | Vasistha | ttl-: yeah, but that doesn't actually auto-mount when you plug in the device -- it should only auto-mount at boot time |
| 18:45.42 | bluefox83 | debian:/home/bluefox# apt-get update |
| 18:45.42 | bluefox83 | Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/http |
| 18:45.42 | bluefox83 | Bus error |
| 18:45.46 | bluefox83 | i'd say no >.> |
| 18:45.51 | abrotman | wols: could be .. but apt-cache search checks the disk .. not the NIC |
| 18:46.04 | ttl- | Vasistha: hmm strange |
| 18:46.09 | Vasistha | bluefox83: looks almost like a problem with wget |
| 18:46.21 | Vasistha | bluefox83: I'm pretty sure apt-get uses wget ... can you wget files? |
| 18:46.22 | ttl- | Vasistha: maybe something in gnome |
| 18:46.54 | bluefox83 | it's not an apt error Vasistha >.> |
| 18:46.56 | Vasistha | ttl-: well, perhaps. Do you have to do something to mount the device, or does it actually mount automatically? |
| 18:47.05 | bluefox83 | i get the same freakin error when i try to launch firefox |
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| 18:47.56 | abrotman | hardware dying! |
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| 18:48.49 | Vasistha | ttl-: the other thing that occurs to me is that perhaps the kernel is trying to talk to the device, and the device just can't tolerate that until it's done its power-on checks or whatever |
| 18:48.59 | bluefox83 | ok...gonna go try my gentoo installer cd and see if my ram is crap or something |
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| 18:50.07 | ttl- | Vasistha: it mounts automatically |
| 18:50.37 | ttl- | Vasistha: i think it is the last |
| 18:50.42 | abrotman | could just be FS corruption also |
| 18:51.13 | ttl- | Vasistha: can i delay that ? |
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| 18:53.07 | ttl- | Vasistha: It's an ICY BOX USB enclosure |
| 18:53.09 | Vasistha | ttl-: well, it sounds like you have some kind of automatic mounting tool installed, e.g. usbmount or supermount or something |
| 18:53.28 | kanotix19 | hey... well does dpkg -i package update an already installed package (like apt-get upgrade package)?? |
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| 18:53.37 | Vasistha | ttl-: I'm not sure how to configure those tools, but that would be the first place I would look |
| 18:53.47 | ttl- | Vasistha: yeah, i'll try to disable that first |
| 18:54.13 | Vasistha | kanotix19: dpkg -i just takes a package archive that already exists on your system, it does not know to look on the web for an updated version |
| 18:54.32 | ttl- | Vasistha: The machine is not in my reach at the moment, i'll try it in a few hours |
| 18:54.50 | zamuro | Does anyone scripts on perl for xchat here? |
| 18:55.02 | ttl- | Vasistha: Thanks for the tip :) |
| 18:55.06 | kanotix19 | Vasistha: yeah well i want to remaster a debian live cd and some packages have to be updated |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | zamuro: ask #xchat |
| 18:55.37 | abrotman | ask #kanotix ? |
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| 18:56.03 | Vasistha | ttl-: good luck! |
| 18:56.13 | ttl- | Vasistha: thnx |
| 18:57.54 | kanotix19 | Vasistha: well i have that deb package on my pc.... i know there's an older version installed and i know excactly the version number so my pc doesn't have to connect to the internet but are there differences between the installation progress of apt-get upgrade or dpkg -i |
| 18:58.15 | wols | dpkg has no dependency checking |
| 18:58.18 | abrotman | apt-get will resolve dependencies |
| 18:58.19 | wols | btw: #kanotix |
| 18:58.27 | abrotman | wols: it has dependency checking . butnot resolution |
| 18:58.34 | wols | touche |
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| 18:59.58 | ramiro | just a question: what file use the "last" command ? |
| 19:00.14 | abrotman | /var/log/utmp or wtmp .. man last |
| 19:00.31 | FarrisG | I have a print(plotter) queue setup through cups for a network of about 60 machines. Do I have to go add a remote queue to every single machine, or can I somehow just use a remote queue/alias through lp/lpr? |
| 19:00.31 | abrotman | wtmp |
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| 19:01.56 | chris_alt | abrotman: probably found something other suspicious in the logfile? |
| 19:02.03 | abrotman | just that |
| 19:02.05 | abrotman | and no xfs |
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| 19:04.42 | foufou | how to recover a deleted file with 'rm -f file' |
| 19:04.47 | abrotman | get your backup |
| 19:04.48 | Marupa | ok, getting a /dev/input/mice doesn't exist...x.x |
| 19:04.52 | Marupa | how do I fix that? |
| 19:04.53 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev |
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| 19:05.16 | Marupa | says mice: |
| 19:05.22 | Marupa | and then an explanation |
| 19:05.26 | foufou | abrotman, it's a temporary file |
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| 19:05.33 | foufou | abrotman, was deleted from /tmp |
| 19:05.50 | zealot | I'm setting up a cvs server and have all of the permissions / authentication information correct yet users can't login. Could someone help me troubleshoot this? |
| 19:06.54 | wols | foufou: anything deleted is deleted, period |
| 19:07.05 | wols | there is no undelete |
| 19:07.15 | abrotman | foufou: then it's gone |
| 19:07.32 | abrotman | zealot: #cvs also exists in case noone here answers |
| 19:07.40 | abrotman | zealot: do you have any log errors? |
| 19:07.50 | zealot | abrotman: Thanks! i read your blog on pgo |
| 19:07.55 | Marupa | ok, so now what do I do, abrotman? |
| 19:08.01 | abrotman | zealot: my what? |
| 19:08.07 | abrotman | Marupa: try again |
| 19:08.10 | zealot | abrotman: would you look at a session if I put it on pastebin |
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| 19:08.15 | Marupa | would I have to do that every time I reboot? |
| 19:08.17 | abrotman | zealot: my what? |
| 19:08.24 | abrotman | Marupa: putthe module in /etc/modules |
| 19:08.34 | wols | zealot: plese link us to abrotman's blog. pretty please |
| 19:08.34 | Marupa | how? |
| 19:08.35 | foufou | abrotman, i read about echo lsdel|debugfs /dev/partition |
| 19:08.47 | Tassium | I am having great difficulty getting postfix to auth via saslauthd. Using testsaslauthd gives success, but smtptest is unable to auth to my postfix process. Suggestions welcomed. |
| 19:08.49 | abrotman | wols: yeah .. i'd like to know where it is too :) |
| 19:08.54 | foufou | abrotman, doesnt work for me, but thought that u would help me over there |
| 19:09.03 | abrotman | Marupa: echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules .. and the >> IS VERY IMPORTANT |
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| 19:09.09 | Marupa | ahh, mmk. |
| 19:09.19 | abrotman | !info libtrash sarge |
| 19:09.23 | zealot | abrotman: I was thinking of aaron bockover. I think thats the correct name. he is a gnome dev. nvm |
| 19:09.25 | Marupa | ok, then reboot to see if that took? |
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| 19:09.27 | knowwho | ~$ sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 19:09.30 | knowwho | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:09.30 | knowwho | Segmentation faulty Tree... 69% |
| 19:09.30 | wols | Tassium: #postfix. much better than #debian for your problem |
| 19:09.30 | dpkg | libtrash: (A trash can library to use with LD_PRELOAD), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.0-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 19:09.31 | knowwho | any idea? |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | zealot: oh . that's notme :) |
| 19:09.42 | wols | Tassium: as a guess, it's the postfix chroot |
| 19:10.04 | Tassium | Yeah, I moved saslauthd's socket into postfix's chroot (/var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd) |
| 19:10.36 | Tassium | Unfortunately the error message is less than helpful (just says password verification failed) |
| 19:10.42 | Vasistha | knowwho: I don't have any idea myself, but have you red man apt-get and looked for some kind of fix option? |
| 19:11.07 | abrotman | seg fault usualy denotes hardware failure of some sort |
| 19:11.21 | abrotman | he can check the BTS though |
| 19:11.26 | knowwho | BTS? |
| 19:11.30 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:11.31 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | Marupa: did you put that word in /etc/modules ? |
| 19:11.44 | Marupa | yeah |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | Marupa: are you using gdm/xdm/kdm ? |
| 19:12.05 | Marupa | gdm |
| 19:12.11 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 19:12.29 | Marupa | that worked |
| 19:12.33 | abrotman | enjoty |
| 19:12.34 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 19:12.38 | foufou | abrotman, any idea ? |
| 19:12.48 | Marupa | now then, let's see if it's accelerating correctly |
| 19:12.55 | abrotman | foufou: you deleted the file .. it's gone |
| 19:13.01 | Tassium | I'll try #postfix. Thanks for your time. |
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| 19:14.02 | Marupa | ...it froze. |
| 19:14.17 | abrotman | doing what? |
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| 19:14.37 | Marupa | well, for one thing, mouse doesn't move...and it gets stuck at loading nautilus |
| 19:14.44 | kaffien | what is the package called for sshd? |
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| 19:15.14 | SpeedyG | ssh? |
| 19:15.40 | kaffien | hrrrm k |
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| 19:15.49 | SpeedyG | quite obvious innit? ;0 |
| 19:16.12 | stew | kaffien: ssh in stable, openssh-server in testing/unstable |
| 19:16.19 | stew | kaffien: and /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:17.01 | kaffien | thx |
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| 19:18.09 | Marupa | ok...maybe it's just freaking slow. |
| 19:18.14 | abrotman | or openssh |
| 19:18.20 | abrotman | or openssh-server or -client |
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| 19:20.18 | Marupa | wow...that sped it up 10x |
| 19:20.44 | thnee | abrotman: ok so ive been a good boy and downloaded ubuntu and done MAKEDEV update && MAKEDEV console on my debian /dev and the debian kernel still panics, now can you help me some more? |
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| 19:21.06 | abrotman | thnee: i'm not surei know much more .. |
| 19:21.12 | yggdrasil | can somone tell me how to pipe the output of a make to a file cuz its long ... |
| 19:21.19 | thnee | abrotman: darn |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | yggdrasil: | more .. | less ? |
| 19:22.21 | abrotman | thnee: google around a bit |
| 19:22.22 | scruffy | what's up with chrootkit, is that thing ever going to be worth running? (E.g. eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[2745])) |
| 19:22.29 | yggdrasil | abrotman hmmm i thought there was away to put the output into a text file |
| 19:22.50 | thnee | abrotman: been there done that |
| 19:23.06 | scruffy | chrootkit should probably be renamed to chfalsepositives |
| 19:23.27 | Jhair | yggdrasil: make &> make.log |
| 19:23.40 | yggdrasil | thanks thats it i think |
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| 19:26.01 | abrotman | yggdrasil: i misunderstood your question |
| 19:26.13 | yggdrasil | yea its ok .. thanks though that also works |
| 19:26.36 | yggdrasil | sometimes the scrollback buffere wont hold it all |
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| 19:27.32 | enouf | abrotman: what probably confused you was the term 'pipe' rather than redirect |
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| 19:27.59 | clusty | what bloody package i need to install to be able to compile junk that uses QT |
| 19:27.59 | abrotman | duh |
| 19:28.07 | clusty | arghhh i am going mad |
| 19:28.12 | abrotman | clusty: apt-cache search libqt |
| 19:28.13 | clusty | nothing works |
| 19:28.16 | abrotman | and find the -dev package |
| 19:28.26 | clusty | i have libqt3-mt-dev |
| 19:28.30 | clusty | installed |
| 19:28.33 | Vasistha | yggdrasil: if you want to redirect both stdout and stderr to a file, &>file |
| 19:28.33 | hid3 | Good evening. Anyone using Adaptec 2940u (AIC-7895) SCSI controller? |
| 19:28.34 | clusty | and libqt3-dev |
| 19:28.45 | Vasistha | !anyone use Adaptec |
| 19:28.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses Adaptec, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:28.46 | yggdrasil | yea |
| 19:28.49 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 19:29.17 | Vasistha | hid3: just ask your question ;-) |
| 19:29.34 | finn23 | lsmod shows that bluetooth is loaded, I have bluez-utils installed, but the device still seems to not be getting any power |
| 19:29.44 | abrotman | clusty: what is it looking for ? |
| 19:29.47 | hid3 | Well actually I'm not sure what to compile into my kernel: CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX or CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX_OLD.. |
| 19:30.12 | finn23 | when use the USB-dongle on a different computer it works fine and when I insert an old knoppix cd I have lying around here it also works |
| 19:30.20 | finn23 | what might be wrong? |
| 19:30.25 | clusty | abrotman, checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 19:30.25 | clusty | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 19:30.46 | clusty | this is what configure script is whining about |
| 19:31.05 | yggdrasil | clusty you did qtxx-dev ? |
| 19:31.20 | yggdrasil | uh qt somethg -dev |
| 19:31.33 | abrotman | clusty: wtf are you compiling ? |
| 19:31.51 | scruffy | hid3: I'm using Adaptec AHA-2940U2 and I'm using CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y |
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| 19:32.04 | finn23 | any ideas? |
| 19:32.11 | clusty | abrotman, v4lgrab |
| 19:32.22 | clusty | abrotman, need site :-D/ |
| 19:32.23 | clusty | ? |
| 19:33.10 | abrotman | askt hem |
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| 19:33.47 | Gokee2_Laptop | The new kernel I installed (2.6.16-2-k7) won`t boot. It says waiting for root filesystem then dumps be to a prompt.2.6.15-1-486 and 2.6.16-2-468 both work fine |
| 19:34.16 | hid3 | scruffy: thanks. |
| 19:34.16 | Vasistha | finn23: what does dmesg say? |
| 19:34.24 | abrotman | clusty: that's all i see also .. but maybe it's looking for qt2 |
| 19:34.37 | finn23 | dmesg doesn't say anything.. that's the weird part |
| 19:35.45 | scruffy | hid3: no sweat |
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| 19:40.19 | ry1 | I compiled alsa into my kernel plus my sound card driver and sound doesn't work, does anyone know why? |
| 19:40.38 | ry1 | was I just supposed to compile alsa without my driver? |
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| 19:44.10 | abrotman | i think alsa has to be modules |
| 19:44.32 | ry1 | ah, kk thanks :) |
| 19:44.34 | Marupa | gui or which, ry1? |
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| 19:44.53 | xinming | paster: url |
| 19:44.55 | ry1 | marupa: just the alsa drivers |
| 19:45.11 | ry1 | my sound didn't seem to be working and my MPlayer compile hung |
| 19:45.23 | ry1 | time for another kernel recompile to fix that problem heh |
| 19:45.24 | ry1 | :) |
| 19:45.37 | dvs | ry1: how many times? |
| 19:45.40 | Marupa | got one more quickie. when I log in, it sits at loading nautilus, for about three minutes, then finally unfreezes, and finishes logging in...what could cause that? |
| 19:45.53 | ry1 | dvs: ten so far :) |
| 19:46.00 | dvs | ry1: not bad |
| 19:46.02 | ry1 | it's okay, I have the time to blow |
| 19:46.05 | ry1 | :) |
| 19:46.15 | ry1 | it's getting better, it actually boots now |
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| 19:46.49 | xinming | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3410 <--- please help. :-) |
| 19:47.12 | abrotman | use a different mirror |
| 19:47.22 | ry1 | but, if alsa is supposed to be modules, then why is there an option to compile it into the kernel? |
| 19:47.32 | dvs | xinming: Must be the first time using the mirror, right? |
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| 19:47.47 | xinming | abrotman: hmm, could you please suggest one for me? I've tried 4 mirrors. |
| 19:47.52 | xinming | all not work |
| 19:48.04 | abrotman | try de or ca or us |
| 19:48.14 | dvs | ca doesn't have one (sniff) |
| 19:48.35 | xinming | dvs: No, It works well before 5 days. |
| 19:48.52 | xinming | hmm, I'm try kernel.org currently. :-/ |
| 19:49.03 | dvs | xinming: I've heard that's a bad one |
| 19:49.13 | ry1 | really? it works quite nicely for me |
| 19:49.31 | Vasistha | ry1: some people have reported problems with it ... in fact, quite a number of people |
| 19:49.42 | ry1 | hmmm. I always get 400kbps from it |
| 19:49.43 | dvs | ry1: Well, I can't believe everything I hear |
| 19:49.51 | ry1 | :) |
| 19:49.52 | xinming | Vasistha: hmm, then, what causes that error? |
| 19:50.22 | xinming | again, kernel.org also sucks. :-/ |
| 19:50.23 | Vasistha | xinming: *I* don't know, I just know that a number of mirrors have had issues. I use USC's mirror, haven't had any problems at all |
| 19:50.36 | dvs | xinming: it's only a warning. I think it happens only the first time you use it. |
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| 19:51.40 | Marupa | any ideas on what could be causing that login lag? |
| 19:51.42 | beardy | ry1: It's actually the other way around, things can always be compiled in, and some things have the option to be compiled as modules. |
| 19:51.52 | beardy | ry1: How's it going with your kernel? |
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| 19:52.15 | ry1 | beardy: perfectly optomized for my laptop, but alsa didn't work |
| 19:52.31 | Vasistha | ry1: maybe you could just use alsa and the sound card as modules |
| 19:52.42 | dvs | Vasistha: that's what abrotman said |
| 19:52.43 | AndroidData | /usr/local/byond/bin/DreamDaemon: relocation error: /usr/local/byond/bin/DreamDaemon: undefined symbol: byondlib ? What is a "relocation error"? |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | i did? |
| 19:53.06 | dvs | <abrotman> i think alsa has to be modules |
| 19:53.28 | Vasistha | well, that's not *exactly* what I said... |
| 19:53.48 | ry1 | when I boot the normal debian stock kernel, it talks about there also being an ac97 codec and my speaker beeps, what module was used for that? I tried the ac97 for intel and amd and so on but didn't get the same result. |
| 19:53.54 | beardy | ry1: Have you done everything described in "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6", or the other alsa factoids, hold on, I'll check which ones you want.. |
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| 19:54.20 | jnoon | is anyone familiar with pkgsrc? |
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| 19:55.03 | finn23 | Vasistha, what might be causing this behavour? the bluetooth dongle is recognized on the same machine with an old knoppix cd running |
| 19:55.06 | beardy | jnoon: In the channel of the distro that uses it they have. |
| 19:55.07 | dvs | ry1: What audio chip do you have? (lspci | grep audio) |
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| 19:55.17 | abrotman | grep -i |
| 19:55.22 | beardy | s/have/are |
| 19:55.31 | dvs | abrotman: not necesary |
| 19:55.33 | ry1 | dvs: an ess alegra |
| 19:55.33 | jnoon | beardy, its used on many distros |
| 19:55.39 | dvs | a who!?! |
| 19:55.42 | abrotman | dvs: i think it's Audio on most systems |
| 19:55.42 | Vasistha | finn23: unfortunately, I have no clue. I thought about it and came to the conclusion that I shouldn't even bother saying anything, because the problem's just out of my league |
| 19:55.44 | dvs | drugs? |
| 19:55.53 | finn23 | no problem :) |
| 19:56.01 | dvs | abrotman: 0:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:56.03 | abrotman | jnoon: what distro are you using ? |
| 19:56.05 | finn23 | lot's of people gave up :/ |
| 19:56.06 | ry1 | dvs: the driver used is alegra mystro 3 |
| 19:56.09 | finn23 | pretty annoying |
| 19:56.11 | abrotman | dvs: damn you! .. eat biscuits! |
| 19:56.15 | jnoon | abrotman, sarge |
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| 19:56.56 | scruffy | hey, the south of where? :) |
| 19:57.07 | dvs | scruffy: Southern United States |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | !info pkgsrc sarge |
| 19:57.13 | beardy | yeah.. and why, don't they ahve biscuits in the north east or west? |
| 19:57.16 | scruffy | ha, I'm there! |
| 19:57.28 | dvs | beardy: they do, but they are totally different |
| 19:57.46 | abrotman | !+info pkgsrc sarge |
| 19:57.48 | dpkg | Package 'pkgsrc' does not exist. |
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| 19:57.59 | Vasistha | heh "biscuit" is one of those words like "chips" that has somewhat different meanings in different places |
| 19:58.45 | dvs | Vasistha: yup |
| 19:59.16 | scruffy | unfortunately, we have "cat head" biscuits. |
| 19:59.27 | abrotman | red neck |
| 19:59.44 | dvs | I don't even want to know what that is |
| 19:59.49 | xinming | Vasistha: thanks, usc mirror isn't corrupted. :-) It works fine. |
| 19:59.52 | scruffy | I'm far from it, but I can't speak for the other "folks" around here. |
| 20:00.01 | Vasistha | xinming: nice! |
| 20:00.11 | Gokee2_Laptop | My public key is not avalible, so I did what dpkg said but it has been working on apt-key add - for about 5 minutes... how long should it take? |
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| 20:00.27 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: about two seconds |
| 20:00.36 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: what command did you use ? |
| 20:00.44 | Gokee2_Laptop | "apt-key add -" |
| 20:00.59 | Marupa | well, thanks again for the help |
| 20:01.00 | Vasistha | Gokee2_Laptop: I think that's waiting for input from stdin |
| 20:01.21 | abrotman | Gokee2_Laptop: uh .. there's more to it |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | !apt-key 2006 |
| 20:01.23 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2006 ; gpg --export 2006 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 20:01.25 | Gokee2_Laptop | What does it want my to say? |
| 20:01.28 | abrotman | uh .. that's not right |
| 20:01.30 | Vasistha | Gokee2_Laptop: the use of "-" as a parameter usually means, get input from stdin ... so you need to PIPE something INTO that |
| 20:01.30 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 20:01.31 | dpkg | well, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 20:02.33 | Gokee2_Laptop | so what should it be? |
| 20:02.49 | ry1 | abrotman: according to dpkg, I have to get alsa from apt, but what modules do I compile into my kernel for this to work? :) |
| 20:03.22 | Vasistha | Gokee2_Laptop: just copy that line from <dpkg> |
| 20:03.31 | dvs | ry1: there is an alsa-base and alsa-utils packages but there are also kernel modules |
| 20:03.38 | beardy | How does one tell the system that ones rtc is kept in localtime or in UTC, in etch, now that base-config apparently is obsoleted there, the Debian way, I mean, and where is it documented? |
| 20:03.43 | ry1 | so which ones are better to use? |
| 20:03.51 | dvs | ry1: you must use both |
| 20:03.58 | ry1 | yikes |
| 20:04.14 | ry1 | so compile in alsa and my mystro card as modules, then apt-get install alsa-base and so on? |
| 20:04.22 | dvs | ry1: yes |
| 20:04.28 | ry1 | okay, thanks :) |
| 20:04.37 | dvs | ry1: your mystro and the OSS emulation modules |
| 20:04.45 | ry1 | I swear, after this I'll be an old pro at kernel recompiling :) |
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| 20:05.05 | ry1 | dvs: I saw nothing in the kernel compiler for os emulation |
| 20:05.06 | Gokee2_Laptop | Vasistha, ah right |
| 20:05.14 | wols | ry1: recompiling always the same config doesn't make you a pro :) |
| 20:05.25 | ry1 | wols: never the same config |
| 20:05.26 | wols | all it does is giving your muscle memory for "make-kpkg" :) |
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| 20:05.37 | wols | only small changes. always for the same machine, right? |
| 20:05.43 | wols | and always the same kernel |
| 20:06.08 | dvs | ry1: OSS PCM (digital audio) API |
| 20:06.23 | abrotman | ry1: which kernel ? |
| 20:06.27 | ry1 | dvs: k, and that's a module? |
| 20:06.33 | ry1 | abrotman: 2.6.17.7 |
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| 20:06.56 | dvs | ry1: Yes, it can be a module |
| 20:07.13 | kaffien | i need to install kerberos for debian, cant seem to find the right package though |
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| 20:07.49 | kaffien | uh oh |
| 20:07.55 | kaffien | i need openldap for kerberos dont i? |
| 20:08.03 | beardy | Seems like no one has thought about that.. |
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| 20:09.04 | quitte | kaffien: no, you dont need ldap for kerberos. |
| 20:09.09 | kaffien | k |
| 20:09.14 | kaffien | what pack do i need for kerberos? |
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| 20:09.32 | ry1 | guys, is there a way to combine make oldconfig with make menuconfig? |
| 20:09.36 | epsilon | krb stuff |
| 20:09.48 | dvs | ry1: no |
| 20:09.56 | ry1 | darn :) |
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| 20:10.03 | possie | anyknow if there is a mod_proxy.so in debian stable for apache 1.3 i can't find it with apt, nor on packages.debian.org however i thought it rather ask |
| 20:10.10 | dvs | ry1: Why? are you starting over? |
| 20:10.17 | Vasistha | ry1: I really doubt it ... I mean, the whole point of make oldconfig is to draw your attention to the "new" config items, how is make menuconfig going to handle that?? |
| 20:10.21 | quitte | kaffien: or heimdal stuff whatever implementation you prefer |
| 20:10.47 | ry1 | vas: I just hate answering all those y n questions after a make oldconfig |
| 20:10.53 | ry1 | it's anoying :) |
| 20:11.01 | quitte | ry1,Vasistha you can use make oldconfig and then change that config with menuconfig |
| 20:11.09 | beardy | ry1: After you have made oldconfig, you have an "old config" in the new .config, when you run menuconfig, that one is used. |
| 20:11.09 | kaffien | what was the first one quitte ? |
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| 20:11.32 | quitte | kaffien: krb- stuff. apt-cache search kerberos server |
| 20:11.41 | ry1 | beardy: okay, I thought it only saved the config after I finished all the new questions |
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| 20:12.11 | quitte | beardy: why do you think there will be clock problems? |
| 20:12.55 | beardy | quitte: Answer my question a screen and a half up instead. |
| 20:13.12 | quitte | beardy: my pgup pgdn keys are dead |
| 20:13.25 | beardy | quitte: How does one tell the system that ones rtc is kept in localtime or in UTC, in etch, now that base-config apparently is obsoleted there, the Debian way, I mean, and where is it documented? |
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| 20:13.59 | dvs | ry1: So you're copying the config from somewhere else everytime? |
| 20:14.03 | vern | hey, does anyone know of any wireless channels, or are there any wireless 'gurus' about? |
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| 20:14.31 | ry1 | dvs: I found that never worked too well, I always got errors |
| 20:14.32 | Pons | guys, i'm on a damn problem.. my ipod's filesystem is bad.. it is reporting less free space than it really has.. i ran fsck.vfat on it, and it says the same i thought, but when i press 1 (Correct option) it says Leaving file system unchanged. Any suggestion |
| 20:14.32 | beardy | ry1: That's possible yes.. that you have to answer questions and it is saved after that.. but why are you using make oldconfig? |
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| 20:15.05 | beardy | ry1: Use the .config from your previous kernel, it's in /boot, /boot/config-2.6.andsoon |
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| 20:15.10 | Vasistha | Pons: how have you determined that it is reporting less free space than it "really" has? |
| 20:15.20 | ry1 | beardy: I wanted to use it because I have no idea how my 2.4 kernel configured some things that make it boot so much faster than my 2.6s |
| 20:15.26 | Pons | because i had 450mb free |
| 20:15.34 | Pons | then i deleted 2.2 gb of files |
| 20:15.35 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 20:15.35 | dvs | ry1: You just need to configure the kernel once and then it creates a .config file. That .config file will have all the options you selected for the kernel. You shouldn't have to answer all those questions if you just save the .config file |
| 20:15.35 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:15.36 | Pons | in windows |
| 20:15.55 | Pons | then, (in windows, and itunes) it said 3gb free |
| 20:16.01 | Pons | but i connected it on linux |
| 20:16.01 | FarrisG | I have a samba server that's working fine for 100+ users. However, we have one user from our office in Japan, running Windows XP Japanese. He can't seem to connect/authenticate to our shares here in the states (he's currently here, not in Japan). Any ideas? |
| 20:16.05 | Pons | and said 450mb free |
| 20:16.06 | Pons | again |
| 20:16.21 | Pons | fsck said the same.. Free cluster summary wrong (115696 vs. really 776038) |
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| 20:16.26 | beardy | FarrisG: charset/locales problem |
| 20:16.29 | Vasistha | Pons: what happens if you go back to windows? I'm curious if you properly unmounted it in windows |
| 20:16.41 | Pons | Vasistha, i always unmount it properly |
| 20:16.56 | FarrisG | beardy: That's what I'm figuring, but I don't really know where to start to get the proper sets/locales installed |
| 20:16.57 | Vasistha | Pons: I also wonder if itunes might be doing something funky, not actually deleting the files until they have replacements. |
| 20:17.11 | Pons | and it was on my dad's laptop on windows |
| 20:17.15 | Vasistha | Pons: ...and I also wonder if you're using gtkpod or some such linux app designed to deal with the ipod's system |
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| 20:17.34 | Pons | Vasistha, well.. i also determined this by doing du -sh /media/ipod |
| 20:17.39 | Pons | and df -h |
| 20:17.45 | Pons | and yes. i use gtkpod |
| 20:17.48 | beardy | FarrisG: He has to send his login information in the charset your system, or the samba server is using, I'd guess. |
| 20:18.10 | beardy | FarrisG: the charset that is used on* |
| 20:18.24 | Vasistha | Pons: you've exhausted my initial troubleshooting questions :-) now I have to actually think |
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| 20:18.51 | Pons | Vasistha, look at this.. du -s of /media/ipod says 26061048 used |
| 20:18.56 | FarrisG | beardy: Any idea how to do that, or if it's even possible to change the charset for that in winbloze? |
| 20:19.20 | Pons | and df says 28702416 |
| 20:19.59 | Pons | i found on the internet that there was a bug on fsck.vfat |
| 20:20.28 | Pons | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328111 |
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| 20:20.40 | Vasistha | Pons: well, I think the difference between du and df reporting can sometimes be attributed to slack space, but 2.2 GB seems like a lot. |
| 20:20.58 | Pons | exactly what i deleted |
| 20:21.04 | beardy | FarrisG: I guess the problem is that he uses a japanese version, and that probably uses japanese charsets with the japanese "alphabet"? Or how does it work? I think you can have multiple charsets, atleast multipe keyboard layouts configured, and selectable near the trayarea, in windows. |
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| 20:21.43 | beardy | FarrisG: Is there a samba log you could look at, to see what he sends, his username atleast? |
| 20:21.59 | quitte | FarrisG: did he bring a japanese xp with him? |
| 20:22.25 | FarrisG | beardy: Samba doesn't appear to be logging anything from his client, which is odd. Because the drive map dialog keeps popping up and asking for a password |
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| 20:22.48 | Vasistha | Pons: I hate to give this kind of advice, but I can't help thinking you should probably plug it into a windows box at the next opportunity and do some troubleshooting there :P |
| 20:22.50 | quitte | g333k: powernow sounds like a amd thing. try speedstep instead |
| 20:23.07 | Pons | damn.. |
| 20:23.29 | Pons | but i think that the bug i showd you before is really there |
| 20:24.11 | Vasistha | Pons: but don't take my advice as the best; I've never used an ipod myself, and a lot of other guys in here are much more experienced with this stuff |
| 20:24.11 | beardy | Pons: You should mess with filesystems in their native environment, with their native tools. |
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| 20:24.12 | Pons | native ? |
| 20:24.12 | fasta | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 20:24.13 | Pons | it is just a fat32 filesystem |
| 20:24.18 | Pons | nothing more nothing less |
| 20:24.25 | Vasistha | Pons: that's not exactly "native" to linux, it's "native" to windows. |
| 20:24.38 | Pons | but what tools i can found on windows? |
| 20:24.39 | Pons | format ? |
| 20:24.49 | quitte | scandisk |
| 20:24.52 | fasta | gpg: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.5: undefined symbol: BC |
| 20:25.11 | Pons | the thing is that there is a bug on fsck.vfat... and there is a way to do it anyway |
| 20:25.16 | beardy | Pons: fat32 is a Microsoft created filesystem used in their "operating system" that is now obsolete. |
| 20:25.19 | Pons | but i have another error before |
| 20:25.28 | Pons | (i don't trust scandisk) |
| 20:25.44 | Pons | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 20:25.44 | Pons | Differences: (offset:original/backup) |
| 20:25.44 | Pons | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.06 | Pons | well. not an error |
| 20:26.21 | g333k | quitte, theres no speedstep pkg |
| 20:26.25 | Pons | but if i give the -y argument it will solve that in an "i don't know" way |
| 20:26.25 | fasta | Hmm, problem already solved :) |
| 20:26.56 | beardy | Pons: So, is it fixed or now? |
| 20:26.58 | beardy | not? |
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| 20:27.23 | quitte | g333k: cpudyn cpufreqd powersaved. apt-cache search helps |
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| 20:27.26 | Pons | i haven't tried with the -y arg |
| 20:27.56 | g333k | quitte, on of them? |
| 20:28.15 | AndroidData | hi. I'm getting weird "relocation error" messages on my terminal when I try to run a file. any help? |
| 20:28.24 | Luke771 | hi. you guys know how do I restore the default PATH? |
| 20:28.40 | Vasistha | Luke771: how did you corrupt it? |
| 20:28.54 | quitte | g333k: look at their package descriptions and find out yourself what you want |
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| 20:29.12 | Luke771 | Vasistha: do you always answer a question with another question? :-) |
| 20:29.20 | Luke771 | anyways |
| 20:29.21 | beardy | Luke771: Answer it please. |
| 20:29.21 | Vasistha | Luke771: do you? |
| 20:29.27 | Luke771 | I don't really know |
| 20:29.36 | Vasistha | Luke771: well, what is it now? echo $PATH |
| 20:29.37 | Luke771 | let me think... |
| 20:29.48 | Luke771 | oh yeah I remembe |
| 20:29.49 | Luke771 | r |
| 20:29.49 | Pons | i tried some sort of simulation mode.. and the first one is not automaticaly fixed so i'm now doing -y |
| 20:30.20 | Luke771 | I copied and pasted a line that turned out to be wrong |
| 20:30.27 | Pons | fixed! :D |
| 20:30.34 | Pons | now I have my 3gb free |
| 20:30.39 | Luke771 | the line was export PATH= ank a series of direcories |
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| 20:30.45 | Vasistha | Luke771: and where was the destination to which you pasted that line? |
| 20:30.56 | pinky_ | Hi, I've an external USB HDD that has the HFS+ filesystem on it, but I'm having trouble mounting it with the tools in the "hfsplus" package. |
| 20:30.57 | AndroidData | hi. I'm getting weird "relocation error" messages on my terminal when I try to run a file. any help? |
| 20:31.03 | Luke771 | the destination? |
| 20:31.08 | Vasistha | Luke771: did you just paste it into your terminal, or did you paste it into a file, e.g. /etc/bash_profile or ~/.bashrc |
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| 20:31.11 | Luke771 | you mean where I pasted it? |
| 20:31.36 | Luke771 | no, in the terminal, but the bad thing is that I was root |
| 20:31.45 | pinky_ | When I run "hpmount /dev/sdc9" (which is the right partition) it gives me this message: "hpmount: /dev/sdc9: no error (Success)" which seems fine |
| 20:31.51 | Luke771 | in a file, I could re-edit it |
| 20:31.56 | Vasistha | Luke771: it's probably no big deal. just close the terminal and open it up again. |
| 20:32.02 | pinky_ | But then when I try and run hpls: "hpls: hpls: Unable to read file for cached Volume information. (No such file or directory)" |
| 20:32.17 | Luke771 | but in the terminal as root... I must find out a command that restores the default path, if such command exists |
| 20:32.34 | Vasistha | Luke771: if you just pasted it to a bash prompt, it is considered an "environment variable" -- and when you close the environment, that modified value disappears. |
| 20:32.38 | Luke771 | ok, I'll try |
| 20:32.42 | beardy | Luke771: Which file? |
| 20:33.00 | beardy | Luke771: Doing such things as root is not necessary, or good, at all. |
| 20:33.04 | Vasistha | beardy: I don't think he actually edited a file :D *sigh of relief* |
| 20:33.16 | Luke771 | no I didn't |
| 20:33.25 | beardy | Luke771: Just logout and back in and it will be set to what it was. |
| 20:33.27 | `Deimos` | how to get the bus's id of my nvidia pci-e graphic card ? |
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| 20:33.55 | Luke771 | I did something stupid I'm aware of that, but on the other hand, fixing my own DUH-mistakes is the way I learned almost everything I know |
| 20:33.57 | beardy | `Deimos`: Do you have more than one graphic card in that machine? |
| 20:34.04 | `Deimos` | beardy, nop |
| 20:34.11 | beardy | `Deimos`: change that nick.. |
| 20:34.29 | beardy | `Deimos`: then you don't need it, if you are configuring X, just hit Enter |
| 20:34.31 | Ronin | at least loose the leading ` :) |
| 20:34.37 | beardy | That's what I meant. |
| 20:34.43 | Luke771 | all my path is /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games isn't that kinda small? |
| 20:34.48 | beardy | Deimos__: Thankyou. |
| 20:34.54 | Ronin | much easier on us Deimos__ thanks |
| 20:35.01 | Deimos__ | ;) |
| 20:35.09 | Luke771 | OK I'll try log out-log in. BRB |
| 20:35.11 | Deimos__ | ok, ty beardy (yes, i'm configuring X) |
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| 20:36.51 | AndroidData | hi. I'm getting weird "relocation error" messages on my terminal when I try to run a file. any help? |
| 20:37.29 | Pons_ | damn .. i had an electrical problem here |
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| 20:39.25 | Vasistha | beardy: heh ... do you think luke771 is rebooting his computer? :D |
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| 20:40.31 | bluefox83 | ok...why the hell would my main hard drive only mount as read-only? |
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| 20:40.53 | beardy | Vasistha: Possible.. |
| 20:41.06 | Deimos__ | hum, i'm under sarge, have installed xfree, fluxbox, xdm & and some packages, but ./etc/init.d/xdm start doesn't work, idea ? |
| 20:41.20 | Ronin | !tell Deimos__ about drxx |
| 20:41.26 | beardy | Vasistha: Or just running X and killing it. |
| 20:41.30 | Zweideutig | Why does Debian need to start exim4? I don't want it! |
| 20:41.39 | ramiro | just a question: what file use the "last" command ? |
| 20:41.46 | Ronin | Zweideutig: then stop it, heck uninstall it if you really want to |
| 20:41.54 | Vasistha | Deimos__: try startx |
| 20:41.59 | beardy | Zweideutig: Yes you do. The system needs to be able to send mail when things go wrong, or right, locally. |
| 20:42.07 | Ronin | course you wont get any mail regarding important system things |
| 20:42.15 | Honeyman | Hello all. Can some hint me, how to make logs of Cyrus-imapd less verbose? Now it logs out every user change of imap folder, almost every IMAP command... I thought that "CYRUS_VERBOSE=0" in /etc/default/cyrus2.2 should be enough, but does not seem so. |
| 20:42.17 | Zweideutig | beardy: I don't care about those. |
| 20:42.24 | Ronin | Zweideutig: then uninstall it |
| 20:42.28 | beardy | Zweideutig: Then have a good day. |
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| 20:42.55 | bluefox83 | crap..i need to get my system to scan my hd...for some reason it was mounted as read only in /etc/fstab |
| 20:43.04 | Deimos__ | "fatal error : no screens found", hug =\ |
| 20:43.19 | beardy | Deimos__: Reconfigure and try again. |
| 20:43.24 | Zweideutig | It takes about ten minutes to boot up to login when my laptop doesn't have the ethernet cable plugged in. I want it gone! |
| 20:43.32 | Ronin | Deimos__: did you do what dpkg said? |
| 20:43.33 | Deimos__ | i've already reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:43.46 | Ronin | Deimos__: installed x-window-system-core? |
| 20:43.52 | beardy | Deimos__: You didn't do it properly. Something is still wrong. |
| 20:44.08 | Deimos__ | Ronin, yes |
| 20:44.26 | beardy | Deimos__: Did it say anything above that line about what the problem was? |
| 20:44.28 | Zweideutig | Why does it take exim4 more than five minutes to start just because I don't have my ethernet cable plugged in?! |
| 20:44.47 | Deimos__ | beardy, i will do the reconfigure once again |
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| 20:45.25 | Deimos__ | with nvidia graphic cards, "nv" driver ? |
| 20:45.26 | beardy | Deimos__: Well, unless you know what the problem is, just rerunning it wont fix anything. |
| 20:45.33 | beardy | Deimos__: Yes. |
| 20:45.36 | Deimos__ | ok |
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| 20:46.04 | Zweideutig | beardy: I don't want to wait about ten minutes for exim4 to try to start just because I don't have my ethernet cable plugged in. |
| 20:46.32 | Honeyman | Deimos__: Is it your problem? http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id2454575 |
| 20:46.37 | Zweideutig | I should go back to OpenBSD. |
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| 20:46.43 | Deimos__ | lol |
| 20:46.47 | carlos_co | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.04 | fs-a | hi, any idea why on sid, apt update gets sometimes the whole 5meg pack again + its diff updates for no reason, not updating anything? |
| 20:47.07 | AndroidData | hi. I'm getting weird "relocation error" messages on my terminal when I try to run a file. any help? *cries* |
| 20:47.09 | beardy | Zweideutig: Perhaps you configured exim wrongly when you installed your system, sounds like it. Rerun exim4-config (or what itäs called, select the alternative which says something like "Local system mail only". |
| 20:47.20 | dvs | Zweideutig: NO! Don't do it! You have so much to live for! ;-) |
| 20:47.24 | Zweideutig | I'm switching back to OpenBSD if someone won't help me get rid of this annoying delay in boot up to login. |
| 20:47.30 | Ronin | Zweideutig: calm down |
| 20:47.43 | Zweideutig | Hmm, local mail only. |
| 20:47.50 | simonrvn | ffs.. no point is getting all huffy about it. |
| 20:48.05 | beardy | No. |
| 20:48.07 | beardy | !hurry |
| 20:48.08 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
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| 20:48.11 | Honeyman | Deimos__: missed, sorry :) |
| 20:48.12 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 20:48.23 | fs-a | threatening to leave an open source project is ridiculous |
| 20:48.26 | dvs | !harder |
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| 20:48.37 | simonrvn | empty threats =) |
| 20:48.38 | dvs | I guess dpkg doesn't curl |
| 20:48.48 | Honeyman | Zweideutig: did you see http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#id2454575 ? |
| 20:48.57 | Zweideutig | Yes. |
| 20:48.57 | simonrvn | they don't do curling in the u.s. ;p |
| 20:49.21 | beardy | Sure they do, I saw them in the olympic games.. didn't I? |
| 20:49.28 | dvs | simonrvn: I guess because they can't to it straight across the country. ;-) |
| 20:49.31 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm kidding |
| 20:49.35 | lontra | curling...i thought it was a joke until i moved to edmonton |
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| 20:49.40 | Zweideutig | The next to go after I delete the exim4 binaries will be hotplug... |
| 20:49.41 | Ronin | ya they curl in the u.s and no abrotman i dont need more canadain jokes |
| 20:49.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:49.51 | beardy | Zweideutig: You don't listen. |
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| 20:50.02 | Ronin | lontra: it was part of my gym class |
| 20:50.04 | fs-a | is apt in sid in a status of 'mess'? because it re-gets the 5meg+its diffs sometimes for no reason. |
| 20:50.06 | Zweideutig | Actually, I can just do chmod -x to those. |
| 20:50.29 | dvs | lontra: I'm not |
| 20:50.29 | simonrvn | fs-a: no..? |
| 20:50.41 | lontra | dvs: :) |
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| 20:50.44 | simonrvn | sounds like a lot of bushy places |
| 20:50.49 | Zweideutig | Fine, I'll try dpkg-reconfigure first. |
| 20:51.06 | fs-a | simonrvn: here again today got the 5meg list again + all its diffs while at least most of the diffs were already downloaded. |
| 20:51.18 | simonrvn | um, they are dated |
| 20:51.21 | fs-a | simonrvn: but it doesn't happen each time it updates |
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| 20:51.45 | Zweideutig | Hmm, exim4 doesn't halt start up now. Good. |
| 20:51.47 | bluefox83 | whats the command to scan a hard drive for errors? |
| 20:51.51 | carlos_co | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.05 | Ronin | lontra: umm well we are canadian hello!!!!! hockey is in our blood |
| 20:52.18 | socialist | would anyone know why trying to do dpkg-buildpackage for openoffice.org is building libmythes _only_? |
| 20:52.19 | Ronin | carlos_co: more information please |
| 20:52.24 | dvs | Ronin: speak for yourself! ;-) |
| 20:52.40 | Zweideutig | Now I need to get rid of hotplug. |
| 20:52.43 | Ronin | dvs: must be from away? heh |
| 20:52.59 | dvs | Ronin: ummmmm.......... no |
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| 20:53.20 | dvs | lontra: sadly, it is |
| 20:53.21 | Ronin | lontra: it is or was, not sure if they changed it or not |
| 20:53.33 | simonrvn | lacrosse is iroquoian ;) |
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| 20:53.39 | dvs | yup |
| 20:53.41 | Ronin | simonrvn: yep |
| 20:53.45 | Zweideutig | Canada doesn't have sports. |
| 20:53.50 | dvs | where's boonhower? |
| 20:53.56 | Zweideutig | Sports are an American thing. |
| 20:53.56 | Ronin | Zweideutig: umm ok |
| 20:53.57 | lontra | lacrosse is cool |
| 20:54.01 | simonrvn | you buncha thieves |
| 20:54.52 | beardy | Before 17?? there were no sport activities at all, nowhere. |
| 20:55.13 | simonrvn | um, where did you get that idea? |
| 20:55.22 | beardy | From Zweideutig |
| 20:55.37 | simonrvn | ooh, <sarcasm> tags, ok ;) |
| 20:55.40 | Zweideutig | brick: My point. |
| 20:55.52 | Zweideutig | err |
| 20:55.57 | Zweideutig | beardy: My point exactly. |
| 20:56.06 | beardy | Zweideutig: I do not agree. |
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| 20:56.10 | carlos_co | Roning: I made $>dd if=./image.bin of=/dev/ROOTPARTITION |
| 20:56.15 | simonrvn | beardy: he's a bit slow ain't he |
| 20:56.24 | Ronin | a bit? |
| 20:56.35 | beardy | simonrvn: Something like that yes.. |
| 20:56.43 | abrotman | make me food! |
| 20:56.44 | Zweideutig | beardy: Well, they didn't have good sports. |
| 20:57.07 | Zweideutig | Like baseball, of course. |
| 20:57.09 | simonrvn | Zweideutig: i highly suggest you get educated before you say anything else |
| 20:57.21 | Zweideutig | simonrvn: I am very educated. |
| 20:57.26 | simonrvn | school != education |
| 20:57.37 | Zweideutig | Especially in English and history. |
| 20:57.48 | carlos_co | Roning: I made $>dd if=./image.bin of=/dev/ROOTPARTITION by mistake...! |
| 20:57.49 | simonrvn | doesn't show, TBH ;) |
| 20:58.37 | Zweideutig | simonrvn: What do you mean? I held above a 93 in U.S. history all year. |
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| 20:58.51 | simonrvn | carlos_co: gotta be really careful with dd. the syntax isn't very sysv unixy |
| 20:59.05 | simonrvn | Zweideutig: you made *my* point beautifully |
| 20:59.19 | beardy | hehe |
| 20:59.26 | Zweideutig | simonrvn: I can tell you all about World War II. |
| 20:59.39 | simonrvn | i can too. what's your point? |
| 20:59.41 | Zweideutig | And FDR's evil "New Deal." |
| 20:59.47 | carlos_co | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.48 | Zweideutig | simonrvn: That I am educated. |
| 20:59.53 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 21:00.01 | Zweideutig | I held high honor roll all year. |
| 21:00.19 | simonrvn | stop, you're making me cry i'm laughing so hard |
| 21:00.27 | Zweideutig | :( |
| 21:00.36 | simonrvn | it's not you personally |
| 21:00.41 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 21:01.21 | simonrvn | it's good that you work so hard, but soon, hopefully, you'll realise that isn't all there is to life |
| 21:01.35 | Zweideutig | :\ |
| 21:01.44 | simonrvn | give it time :) |
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| 21:02.29 | simonrvn | the best thing you can do for yourself is be patient on yourself, and be open-minded. you'll get far that way |
| 21:03.25 | carlos_co | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.46 | beardy | carlos_co: Restore from backup and don't do it again. |
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| 21:04.22 | NetEcho | damnit my ipw3945abg is a pain to get working |
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| 21:04.36 | carlos_co | ha ha ha |
| 21:04.38 | quitte | NetEcho: for what kernel? |
| 21:04.44 | NetEcho | 2.6.17.8 |
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| 21:05.18 | NetEcho | quitte you ever set one up? |
| 21:05.30 | quitte | NetEcho: ugh. unfortunately my friend i did it for moved. let me see if i can find the source again and recall the modifications |
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| 21:05.45 | NetEcho | quitte I have all the source |
| 21:05.52 | NetEcho | just it won't compile properly |
| 21:05.59 | NetEcho | or load properly |
| 21:06.04 | sanmarcos | why does time sometimes produce garbled output? |
| 21:06.08 | quitte | NetEcho: i made it module-assistant friendly |
| 21:06.50 | NetEcho | WARNING: Error inserting ieee80211_crypt (/lib/modules/2.6.17.8/net/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko): Invalid module format |
| 21:06.50 | NetEcho | WARNING: Error inserting ieee80211 (/lib/modules/2.6.17.8/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 21:06.50 | NetEcho | thats what I get quitte |
| 21:07.11 | AndroidData | hi. I'm getting weird "relocation error" messages on my terminal when I try to run a file. any help? |
| 21:07.12 | quitte | NetEcho: iee80211 is now partof the kernel.no need to build it again |
| 21:07.27 | NetEcho | quitte really? |
| 21:07.35 | NetEcho | quitte mind if I pm you? |
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| 21:08.03 | quitte | NetEcho: no |
| 21:08.31 | Zweideutig | Why isn't modprobe acpi, fan, thermal being executed? |
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| 21:10.00 | quitte | NetEcho: there is someone working at it. a firmware package for it is in experimental already. maybe you want to just wait? |
| 21:10.26 | NetEcho | quitte I need wireless working lol |
| 21:10.48 | NetEcho | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.55 | NetEcho | is the firmware I was told to use |
| 21:11.06 | NetEcho | brb in a few |
| 21:11.21 | quitte | ok |
| 21:11.50 | nimurphy | hi, could anyone help me with a (i think it's) routing problem? |
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| 21:12.34 | nimurphy | wireless laptop, connected but can only see the wireless side of network, can't get past gateway |
| 21:13.05 | nimurphy | dhclient returns an ip address but can't access internet. xp machine on same network has no such problems |
| 21:13.13 | scruffy | nimurphy: wireless router connected to a cable/dsl device? |
| 21:13.25 | nimurphy | scruffy: yes |
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| 21:14.17 | scruffy | nimurphy: what's route say the default gateway is? |
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| 21:14.37 | quitte | NetEcho: Kanotix has the stuff for debian |
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| 21:15.44 | nimurphy | scruffy: 192.168.1.1, which is the address of the router |
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| 21:16.32 | scruffy | nimurphy: what kind of router is it? |
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| 21:16.51 | nimurphy | scruffy: trust 108MB |
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| 21:17.18 | orangey | hey all! |
| 21:17.39 | orangey | does anybody here contribute to the organization of Debian conferences? |
| 21:17.44 | thelostbutler | hell folks what does one do to recover from this VFS: file-max limit 567062 reached , lsof | wc -l 896 Swap: 4110 0 4110 and there is a zombie process runnign at 75% |
| 21:17.44 | orangey | I'm wondering what free software they use |
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| 21:17.56 | scruffy | nimurphy: what ip address is the router handing you? are there any access controls on the router which might prevent you from accessing the wan? |
| 21:17.59 | xored | i compiled a new kernel because of USB support and know somehow eclipse is failing to lock the workspace, when it lies on a NFS-space on that server, i recompiled the kernel off. What coudl have been happened ? |
| 21:18.13 | biz | could anyone help me with this problem? -> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/31413-dual-head-set-up-problems.html |
| 21:18.36 | thelostbutler | i meant hello folks! not hell folks. sorry |
| 21:18.40 | wols | xored: your kernel options for NFS aren't right prehaps |
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| 21:18.53 | scruffy | nimurphy: router using wireless security protocols, or is it open? |
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| 21:18.57 | jonkri | i have installed the nvidia driver and i have nvidia.ko in my /lib/modules/`uname -r`... directory but when i try to start xorg it says "module does not exist, nvidia". i can modprobe it! what's wrong? |
| 21:19.19 | xored | wols: you know what i did problay, i just build in UHCI as module, i did not change the configuration of the kernel at all |
| 21:19.25 | wols | jonkri: have you used the debian way to install the driver or the installer from nvidia.com? |
| 21:19.33 | xored | ( that was that usb printer stuff yesterday) |
| 21:19.41 | jonkri | wols, no, and i don't intend to. i have used the nvidia installer |
| 21:19.50 | lontra | Ready: Cannot Process Raster < -- this is what my printer is telling me...anyone know how i can fix that |
| 21:20.00 | wols | but things don't magically break :) |
| 21:20.12 | xored | wols: they do ! |
| 21:20.13 | xored | :) |
| 21:20.19 | scruffy | nimurphy: (sorry so many questions at once) what DNS servers are the router handing the linux client? can you access 204.152.191.5 in your browser? |
| 21:20.19 | jonkri | wols are you saying the nvidia installer vs debian is broke? |
| 21:20.27 | wols | jonkri: the installer from nvidia.com puts the xorg nvidia modules (and libGL) in the wrong places |
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| 21:20.36 | xored | wols: no getting back to the point, what is responsible for file "locking" under nfs ? |
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| 21:20.40 | wols | jonkri: I am saying that nvidia installer is broken yes |
| 21:20.43 | jonkri | wols can i uninstall it and specify where they should be? |
| 21:20.53 | jonkri | like /usr instead of /usr/local? |
| 21:20.55 | wols | xored: some options in kernel at least have something to do with it |
| 21:21.12 | wols | jonkri: you simply copy them. you cannot uninstall since you haven't got a deb, do you? |
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| 21:21.27 | xored | wols: do you know which, i would just check |
| 21:21.29 | nimurphy | well this is the thing. the ARP table on the dsl box says it's given me a lease, and it's given the router a lease |
| 21:21.29 | jonkri | wols the nvidia-installer provides a uninstall option |
| 21:21.43 | wols | uninstall still won't help |
| 21:21.52 | nimurphy | sorry, arp table has my ip on it |
| 21:22.02 | wols | xored: no I don't, but they're all together at the same place |
| 21:22.09 | wols | jonkri: just move the files |
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| 21:22.11 | xored | one sec |
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| 21:22.30 | jonkri | wols i don't know where they are |
| 21:22.31 | wols | jonkri: look where the nvidia module is and where all the others (nv, vesa, etc) are |
| 21:22.47 | scruffy | nimurphy: this may not help, but you might want to power them all down and power up the dsl first, then router, then renew all your IPs and see what happens. |
| 21:22.56 | wols | and copy it over, same for the libGL libs compared to the normal X libs |
| 21:23.00 | nimurphy | scruffy: can't ping any address outside local network. dunno what dns servers have been given. route doesn't return any outside addresses |
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| 21:23.22 | wols | jonkri: if you can't do it, then install it the debian way(tm) |
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| 21:23.38 | scruffy | nimurphy: does your mac on your machine and the mac in the arp table match? |
| 21:23.44 | jonkri | wols i don't understand how i am supposed to find the files |
| 21:23.52 | wols | man find |
| 21:24.01 | wols | they are somewhere under /usr |
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| 21:24.07 | quitte | NetEcho: got it. are you there? |
| 21:24.10 | wols | can't remember offhand |
| 21:24.12 | jonkri | wols well... i don't know what they are called |
| 21:24.27 | wols | jonkri: at least one of them is called "nvidia", du. |
| 21:24.31 | wols | *nvidia* |
| 21:24.43 | wols | since nvidia is only part of the filename |
| 21:24.47 | thelostbutler | jonkri: if the install script is a shell script then you can look at it and know what the files are |
| 21:24.52 | jonkri | wols well obviously. but are you telling me nvidia-installer installs only one file? or are all the files that are installed named nvidia?... |
| 21:25.05 | jonkri | thelostbutler thanks, that's something i can do something with |
| 21:25.07 | wols | it instals many. but they're in pretty much the same place |
| 21:25.21 | nimurphy | scruffy: sh*t, can't get into the damn router config... hw addresses (no mention of mac, presume the same) match |
| 21:25.26 | jonkri | wols ok, i didn't know that |
| 21:25.28 | wols | and in those directories they're the only files, no others |
| 21:25.39 | lontra | how do i start gkrellm when e starts? i imagine i have to edit ~/.e/e/applications/startup |
| 21:26.28 | scruffy | nimurphy: yeah hwaddress is the mac. umm.. you wanna try the power off thing with the router and cable/dsl device? power up the dsl first, then the router, then renew your IPs and see if that magically fixes it. |
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| 21:27.21 | nimurphy | scruffy: i'll try that. btw, someone else installed this wireless router and set up xp machine to use it. i don't know user/pass for router config. |
| 21:27.31 | scruffy | nimurphy: this might be a stupid question, but the router does have a dhcp server itself, right? |
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| 21:28.03 | jonkri | wols the nvidia-installer's --uninstall option worked fine |
| 21:28.03 | wols | nimurphy: and DNS is set right? can you perhaps ping pure IPs? |
| 21:28.06 | scruffy | nimurphy: you could reset the router (inset reset switch) if you know what you need to reenter into the config in the router |
| 21:28.09 | jonkri | wols cleaned everything out |
| 21:28.17 | xored | wols: iam in th place NFS is activited, but there is nothign about such "locking" |
| 21:28.21 | scruffy | wols: he's tried that |
| 21:28.25 | wols | jonkri: and how is that supposed to help? |
| 21:28.38 | jonkri | wols well, i got rid of the files instead of sitting with find and guessing |
| 21:29.04 | wols | jonkri: you haven't answered my question. how is this supposed to help? |
| 21:29.11 | nimurphy | scruffy: dhcp server i think is built in to dsl router, think wireless router is acting liike a bridge |
| 21:29.22 | scruffy | nimurphy: the reason i asked about the router having a dhcp server is that the dsl/cable device may only hand you one IP and one IP only.. the router dhcp should resolve that problem. |
| 21:29.25 | Deimos__ | is there any linux driver for nvidia geforce go 7900 graphic card ? |
| 21:29.29 | jonkri | how do i install the nvidia driver the debian way? i have an amd64 |
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| 21:29.49 | wols | !tell jonkri about nvidia |
| 21:29.51 | jonkri | wols i needed to uninstall the nvidia-installer and it's files. i succeeded. hence the helping bit |
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| 21:30.41 | scruffy | nimurphy: if the router has a DHCP server, the dsl device will only think one computer is connected to it, and the router can play pretend and hand out local IPs to clients |
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| 21:30.52 | wols | no. you want a working nvidia 3D accelerated driver. hopefully the latest version of it (if you don't need/want the latest version, debian way is ok) |
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| 21:31.17 | mrwill | what's a good standalone calendar app for the web? |
| 21:31.34 | jonkri | wols i read at the wiki now. thanks |
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| 21:32.16 | jonkri | why was the nvidia-grahpics-drivers removed from testing+ |
| 21:32.33 | wols | cause it has release critical bugs |
| 21:32.46 | lordlamer | hello. i have installed sarge with debootstrap on a hd. after that i chrootet that and want to make base-config. but this only terminates. whats wrong? |
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| 21:33.31 | jonkri | wols ok. but it's ok to use it, still? |
| 21:33.43 | wols | if it's not in testing you can't use it |
| 21:33.52 | wols | it's some policy violations afaik |
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| 21:34.00 | jonkri | wols ok |
| 21:34.55 | wols | !why is nvidia-graphics-drivers not in etch |
| 21:34.55 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols |
| 21:35.11 | prex | what program/package let's you select the default 'group' of packages you want to install during installation (you can choose between 'server', 'desktop', 'devel' etc...) ? |
| 21:35.37 | wols | prex: tasksel |
| 21:35.56 | nimurphy | scruffy: i dunno, the dhcp lease table on the dsl box lists all machines connected, wireless or otherwise. it doesn't have the router address. |
| 21:36.07 | Boil | I'm getting a "Package xxxxx has no installation candidate" error, so I tried editing my /etc/apt/sources.list to include contrib and nonfree, but after updating, I'm still getting the error. Anyone know what the next step would be? |
| 21:36.19 | prex | wols: aahh, you're my hero, thanks! |
| 21:36.40 | wols | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 21:36.41 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 21:36.45 | wols | jonkri: there |
| 21:36.59 | nimurphy | scruffy: the arp table has the laptop (wireless) and the wired machine. i guess the other wireless machine is off. |
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| 21:38.00 | jonkri | :) |
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| 21:38.45 | scruffy | nimurphy: you can test the one IP theory by powering off or disabling the wireless connection on the XP machine, power off the router and dsl modem, disable your wireless on the linux machine. Then power up the dsl modem, wait a minute or two, then power up the router. Then renew your IP and see if you, the lone computer, can surf out. |
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| 21:39.37 | xored | anybody has a clue why my server is not able to make file-locks on nfs-drives anymore? |
| 21:39.47 | xored | what could happend ß |
| 21:40.02 | r121 | is there a way to copy text from a console? |
| 21:40.03 | nimurphy | scruffy: the lone computer being the linux machine? |
| 21:40.37 | scruffy | nimurphy: yeah, the one that you're having trouble with. how many machines are currently able to reach the internet? more than one? |
| 21:41.13 | xored | free for a mix / cod2 or warsow |
| 21:41.32 | jonkri | "nvidia-kernel-source is not available but is reffered to by another package". why is that? i added "contrib non-free" at the end of my source lines. |
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| 21:42.03 | jonkri | amd64/testing |
| 21:42.11 | scruffy | nimurphy: speaking of, is the dsl device connected directly to the router? maybe a crazy question, but I hope so. |
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| 21:42.28 | nimurphy | scruffy: well, normally 2, an xp machine, not mine. that's off now. so now just the one, i'm using now. the linux machine is a lappy. |
| 21:43.04 | nimurphy | scruffy: setup is this. router directly connected to dsl box, 2 wireless conns and one wired connect to router. |
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| 21:43.29 | vuud | hi! If I have all of my files on a SATA disk, do I need an initrd.img? I have compiled a kernel and I keep getting a panic that it cannot find the /dev/sda7. I believe I have the default config file from the original debian compile (etch) |
| 21:43.36 | rhys | does anyone here use LVM? and can tell me why it takes so much space? |
| 21:43.38 | jonkri | apt-get update runs fine, and it adds the contrib and non-free packages |
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| 21:44.11 | scruffy | nimurphy: could be that the two IPs you see in the router are tied to the two XP machines' mac addresses. I'd still try powering off everything and powering up in the order dsl, router, waiting a few minutes between each, then renew your IP. Sounds like a mac address problem. |
| 21:44.15 | wols | vuud: no you don't want a initrd and you don't need one. make sure your compile your SATA driver INTO your krenel. not a module |
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| 21:45.01 | vuud | wols: I thought sata was part of the generic scsi system under 2.6.16... that was my first thought also. I will go and look some more |
| 21:45.30 | wols | vuud: it is under scsi, but you still need a driver for your special chip |
| 21:45.31 | nimurphy | scruffy: i'll give that a go. only other thing it could be is that the router (which i can't access from anywhere - don't know user/pass) is set to only allow the other wireless con... but my xp machine goes through it no probs |
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| 21:46.04 | wols | nimurphy: router could filter for MAC |
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| 21:46.06 | wols | or such |
| 21:46.17 | scruffy | nimurphy: ..or it could be set to only allow specific mac addresses.. or it's using WEP or WAP or something like that. |
| 21:46.48 | scruffy | nimurphy: if resetting the router config is out of the question, it could be difficult to tell unless you may get some hints from the XP machines. |
| 21:46.51 | vuud | wols: found em. Do you know where I can get the default .config file that the original installed kernel came was done with? |
| 21:47.02 | vuud | I copied one from /boot but apparently that is not it |
| 21:47.12 | wols | vuud: that is it |
| 21:47.18 | jonkri | how do i get nvidia-kernel-source for testing? |
| 21:47.37 | r121 | I repeatedly get this message when I switch to a console, even before logging in: Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:04:23:12:ed:c6:00:13:46:b9:00:38:08:00 SRC=65.94.245.19 DST=192.168.0.101 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=110 ID=51292 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=61231 DPT=33255 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 21:47.50 | vuud | wols: why did my sata not work after recompiling? Strange. I did not change any options, just built to make sure it would work |
| 21:47.50 | wols | r121: it's your firewall |
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| 21:48.20 | wols | vuud: cause a debian kernel has a initrd. you don't |
| 21:48.47 | wols | and you shouldn't have one either. configure your own kernel, don't just use what debian uses. why would you compile a kernel without any changes? |
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| 21:48.48 | vuud | wols: hah... well at least I was not all crazy on the original question :) Thanks wols |
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| 21:48.52 | r121 | vols: I don't (intentionally) have one running on this machine, I'm behind a router. How can I turn it off? |
| 21:48.57 | wols | debian has precompiled 2.6.16 and later ones |
| 21:48.59 | jonkri | am i being ignored? :) |
| 21:49.12 | r121 | vols: or at least stop the message? |
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| 21:49.16 | wols | jonkri: people who don't or can't read: yes |
| 21:49.35 | vuud | wols: I did try customizing one, it broke, so I figured I would start with a good one, make sure it worked then start yanking. |
| 21:49.35 | wols | r121: no clue since I don#t know what and how you installed it |
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| 21:49.56 | c|int | hey guys, I wish didn't have to wait so long for debian 4 "etch" codename.. but maybe I could run the testing/unstable in vmware workstation, until I run in stand alone mode, aside on a different partition on my systems, |
| 21:50.03 | tolstoy | Is the mod_mono packager here? |
| 21:50.09 | tarzeau | odla: no |
| 21:50.10 | jonkri | wols i have read on people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php and at that tutorial. i have "/msg dpkg non-free", still clueless... |
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| 21:50.28 | bluefox83 | ok, i was having trouble with my system not mounting my main hard drive as anything other than read-only. so i ran e2fsck and now, i can't seem to mount it at all...i believe the superblock may have been removed..how do i fix it? :/ |
| 21:50.29 | wols | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 21:50.29 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:50.32 | socialist | is anyone here working with partitions larger than 2TB? |
| 21:50.43 | wols | and that clearly says it's not in testing so you can't get it. period |
| 21:50.51 | jonkri | yes, but i thought i was going to downlaod them from somewhere else! |
| 21:50.53 | wols | !anyone |
| 21:50.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:51.10 | c|int | so debian is loosing alot of support? |
| 21:51.23 | wols | !loose |
| 21:51.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
| 21:51.24 | njkt | jonkri, you could obtain the unstable nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:51.31 | lucas | can anyone past his sources.list? i cant install gnome nor adept. |
| 21:51.32 | c|int | I'm also testing with ,PC-BSD because us i nthe IT, are trying to get people and students into others systems.. |
| 21:51.43 | jonkri | njkt would that work? |
| 21:51.47 | epsilon | lucas: apt-setup |
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| 21:52.13 | c|int | ah , so don't listen to all people ranting and raving about certain builds njkt? |
| 21:52.14 | njkt | well i have nvidia drivers working on on my etch system |
| 21:52.22 | socialist | wols: there is scarcely a point in watching yourself be ignored because no one has any idea what your asking about. One simple prerequisite question is hardly inappropriate |
| 21:52.32 | socialist | s/your/you're/ |
| 21:52.35 | njkt | c|int, i tend not to listen to people ranting and raving |
| 21:53.07 | lucas | epsilon: what is apt-setup? |
| 21:53.14 | c|int | hey njkt, what etch system you using.. I want to download something to play with in vmware, until official comes, out.. colllege is all Fedora Core, when I do like the speed of debian and package management system, and just doing things, other ways :) |
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| 21:53.18 | Boil | I'm getting a "Package xxxxx has no installation candidate" error, so I tried editing my /etc/apt/sources.list to include contrib and nonfree, but after updating, I'm still getting the error. Anyone know what the next step would be? |
| 21:53.21 | wols | socialist: people in here are ignored all the time cause they ask stupid questions (usually forevre the same), cause no one knows their answer or evreyone else is asleep |
| 21:53.36 | c|int | ah |
| 21:53.37 | socialist | hence why I asked a prerequisite |
| 21:53.38 | wols | Boil: telling us what the package is maybe? |
| 21:53.45 | c|int | lol @ u guys |
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| 21:53.48 | Boil | irssi is the one I'm working with atm |
| 21:53.51 | njkt | c|int, i use a daily build |
| 21:54.00 | c|int | so what could I play with something debian latest, that I will just build source packages, hee :) |
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| 21:54.12 | Boil | wols, I was told that I should find the source, and compile it from that, but I have no idea how to do that :/ |
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| 21:54.47 | wols | socialist: and as the factoid clearly states you asked a dumb "prerequisite" since you could have asked your real question instead and be ignored for that. instead you asked a useless prerequisite and cost evreyone time for nothing. good job |
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| 21:55.04 | c|int | hey njkt, will debian 4 , have support for Broadcom wireless in the kernel modules etc.. like ubuntu did.. although I hate, hacking ubuntu's services. rc'.. run levels, and things.. |
| 21:55.14 | wols | Boil: apt-cache search irssi. it will show you a package named irssi-text |
| 21:55.18 | wols | Boil: that's what you want |
| 21:55.19 | socialist | wols: you clearly have plenty of time to respond and not answer the first question with a simple "no" |
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| 21:55.36 | wols | socialist: so 700 people should answer you with "no"? even better" |
| 21:55.39 | njkt | c|int, no idea.. i don't follow the builds too closely |
| 21:55.44 | wols | socialist: you are new to irc aren't you? :) |
| 21:55.45 | c|int | I see |
| 21:55.53 | socialist | wols: which 700 people do you mean, it's only you responding |
| 21:56.00 | socialist | wols: hardly |
| 21:56.04 | jonkri | njkt can i use the unstable nvidia-kernel-source with testing nvidia-glx and so on? |
| 21:56.04 | njkt | jonkri, i followed the instructions on http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html to get my nvidia drivers going |
| 21:56.06 | Boil | Ahh |
| 21:56.13 | Boil | thankyou very much wols |
| 21:56.18 | c|int | would there be a way , I could add that firmware in there, like ubuntu did, some firmware cutter or deal, and all I had to do, was extract my firmware from my wireless, and I didn't even have to mess with the ndisrwapper at all |
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| 21:56.44 | c|int | then put it in.. /lib/firmware |
| 21:57.11 | jonkri | njkt thanks |
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| 21:57.16 | c|int | ? |
| 21:57.18 | sanmarcos | what is a ~/.forward file? |
| 21:57.31 | wols | sanmarcos: mail gets sent there |
| 21:57.31 | epsilon | should be mail |
| 21:57.40 | wols | forwarded rather |
| 21:57.44 | c|int | njkt, so I as an IT, would be good going with a daily build? |
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| 21:57.50 | sanmarcos | mail in my box is sent to /var/mail/user |
| 21:58.16 | wols | and with .forward you can then forward it to your new inbox if you changed email addresses |
| 21:58.26 | wols | that's what it's normally used for |
| 21:58.51 | sanmarcos | ah nice, I am assuming postfix checks it |
| 21:59.12 | c|int | can anyone direct me to debian, testing for etch, daily builds. plz |
| 21:59.13 | njkt | c|int, meh... i don't know, there is a page that tells you whether or not the current dailybuild works or not |
| 21:59.30 | c|int | meh? |
| 21:59.46 | njkt | c|int, googling works, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:59.49 | c|int | have too many people been bothering you today or?.. o_O |
| 21:59.55 | bluefox83 | crap, how do i mount my main partition? i can't get it to mount :X |
| 22:00.04 | c|int | I've been trying that, forgot the link someone once gave me, |
| 22:00.15 | ry1 | usually mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 22:00.19 | ry1 | or something like that |
| 22:00.20 | njkt | just google "debian etch daily builds" |
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| 22:00.24 | wols | bluefox83: / ? you give it as a kernel command line: root=/dev/sda5 |
| 22:00.55 | bluefox83 | wols, i've had to boot into knoppix because when i try to boot into debian i get a kernel panic |
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| 22:00.57 | c|int | thanks njkt |
| 22:01.18 | njkt | np... now off to destroy my brain with television.. and dinner |
| 22:01.27 | wols | bluefox83: what filesystem and what partition? |
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| 22:01.41 | bluefox83 | wols, ext3 /dev/hda1 |
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| 22:02.02 | wols | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/empty-directory |
| 22:02.02 | bluefox83 | and mount -l -t ext3 /dev/hda1 doesn't work |
| 22:02.02 | jonkri | i don't get it. how hard should it be to install graphics drivers? |
| 22:02.28 | c|int | oh cool, thanks for that link njk |
| 22:02.28 | wols | jonkri: infinitely hard if you don't try what other people (not only me) told you |
| 22:02.46 | Daishi | how do you reconfigure networking in debian? dpkg-reconfigure what? |
| 22:02.49 | bluefox83 | root@ttyp2[/]# mount -l -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /d1 |
| 22:02.50 | bluefox83 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 22:02.50 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.01 | bluefox83 | oops..sorry about that |
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| 22:03.13 | wols | bluefox83: hda1 already automounted by knoppix? |
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| 22:03.29 | wols | IIRC a ext3 partition should have more than one superblock |
| 22:03.30 | bluefox83 | wols, no, says it can't mount it because of a bad superblock or something |
| 22:03.49 | bluefox83 | where do i find another superblock? |
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| 22:04.22 | wols | bluefox83: you haven't answered my question |
| 22:04.25 | jonkri | wols i try |
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| 22:04.37 | wols | jonkri: have you tried the one from sid? |
| 22:04.40 | jonkri | i'm sitting with a bitchx and very limited tools do do anything |
| 22:04.53 | bluefox83 | wols, yes i did...knoppix hasn't mounted it..it just gives an error about a bad superblock |
| 22:04.58 | jonkri | wols i just realized that the binaries from ronald or whatever was for i386 |
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| 22:05.08 | wols | you have a console and a working network connectin to debian repositories. you have tons of tools. more than you can ever use |
| 22:05.16 | simonrvn | bluefox83: you sure? check 'mount'. |
| 22:05.28 | simonrvn | wols: for sure |
| 22:05.58 | bluefox83 | am sure |
| 22:06.11 | wols | bluefox83: what I don't get is how you killed your superblock |
| 22:06.14 | bluefox83 | it has /dev/root though for some reason O.o |
| 22:06.26 | bluefox83 | wols, i don't get it either |
| 22:06.29 | wols | doh! |
| 22:06.33 | wols | then mount /dev/root |
| 22:06.48 | De_mon | how can i get a list of active xwindows displays and whats open on them? |
| 22:06.55 | De_mon | or whos connected to them.. |
| 22:06.57 | simonrvn | !xwindows |
| 22:06.57 | dpkg | from memory, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 22:07.00 | wols | knoppix does this sometimes. (debian too). I nevr understood why it's named like this and no one could answer me either |
| 22:07.02 | bluefox83 | root@ttyp2[/]# mount /dev/root |
| 22:07.02 | bluefox83 | mount: special device /dev/root does not exist |
| 22:07.08 | jonkri | wols ok, i will follow what you say exacly. just tell me how i should get the nvidia-kernel-source to use with the tutorial |
| 22:07.12 | jonkri | i can't scroll up |
| 22:07.18 | wols | jonkri: from sid |
| 22:07.20 | jonkri | but if you already said it you can |
| 22:07.27 | jonkri | wols from packages.debian.org? |
| 22:07.48 | wols | jonkri: get out of bitchx. apt-get install irssi-text. then start irssi and do a "/connect irc.freenode.net" |
| 22:07.53 | wols | jonkri: then you can scroll |
| 22:08.00 | wols | jonkri: for example, yes |
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| 22:08.23 | De_mon | how can i get a list of X displays .. whats open on them, whos connected to them, etc |
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| 22:08.55 | bluefox83 | all i want to do is backup some old stuff so i can re-install debian :( |
| 22:09.05 | [Cadet] | De_mon: type w |
| 22:09.23 | bluefox83 | can |
| 22:09.32 | bluefox83 | can't even do that till i can mount the dang thing |
| 22:09.49 | holdenSK | De_mon: xlsclient ? |
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| 22:10.00 | bluefox83 | maybe i shoudl shut the system down and make sure everything is connected correctly -_- |
| 22:10.09 | bluefox83 | *should |
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| 22:11.21 | wols | can you access the /dev/hda1 file? |
| 22:11.27 | wols | maybe cat it? |
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| 22:11.31 | bluefox83 | file? what file? |
| 22:11.41 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.49 | wols | it's a file you know? |
| 22:12.05 | De_mon | xlsclient sounds nice I'll try that too thanks |
| 22:12.05 | bluefox83 | that turned out wierd o.o |
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| 22:12.21 | wols | unix mantra: everything is a file |
| 22:12.21 | lontra | can anyone help me troubleshoot my printer? |
| 22:12.32 | pingouin | lontra: good luck |
| 22:12.48 | pingouin | lontra: printing+linux=hell |
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| 22:12.50 | cbeok | linux, the progressive beaurocracy: everything gets 'filed away' |
| 22:12.59 | lontra | pingouin: it use to work on etch...now it doesn't |
| 22:13.21 | pingouin | lontra: yep..good luck |
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| 22:13.44 | lontra | it's a stupid dell 500-in-all printer that cost like 80 bucks and is a POS |
| 22:13.53 | lontra | 500-in-one |
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| 22:14.05 | wols | lontra: step one: which device file is it connected to? then cp <file> /that/printer/device/file |
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| 22:14.30 | lontra | wols: not sure i understand...it's a usb device |
| 22:14.36 | wols | lsusb |
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| 22:15.12 | lontra | it seems to be connected to device 002 |
| 22:15.17 | lontra | i think :/ |
| 22:15.35 | wols | do you have /dev/usb/lp0 ? |
| 22:16.07 | lontra | direct z600:/dev/usb/lp0 "Lexmark Dell A920" "Lexmark Printer" |
| 22:16.20 | lontra | i can add it with gnome-cups-manager but it complains that it's stopped |
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| 22:16.31 | lontra | it uses the lexmark z600 driver |
| 22:16.48 | wols | "stopped"? |
| 22:16.48 | wols | btw: if you ran etch before, what do you run now? |
| 22:16.48 | wols | sid? |
| 22:17.01 | bluefox83 | ok, /etc/fstab shows /dev/hda1 mounted to /mnt/hda1 |
| 22:17.15 | bluefox83 | but when i cd /mnt/hda1 and then ls i don't get anything |
| 22:17.17 | wols | no one cares about fstab. what does mtab say= |
| 22:17.20 | wols | ? |
| 22:17.29 | wols | just cause something is in fstab doesn't mean anything |
| 22:17.38 | lontra | wols: still running etch |
| 22:17.50 | wols | and I still don't know if the cat /dev/hda1 "worked" |
| 22:18.10 | bluefox83 | define worked..i got a whole lotta wierd symbols that made no sense |
| 22:18.17 | wols | yes, then it worked |
| 22:18.29 | wols | means low level partition access works |
| 22:18.33 | bluefox83 | and /etc/mtab says nothing about /dev/hda1 |
| 22:18.41 | wols | but if you really hosed your superblock, the data is lost imho |
| 22:18.52 | lontra | Ready: /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600 failed |
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| 22:18.55 | lontra | is what it says |
| 22:18.56 | wols | bluefox83: and cause mtab doesn't mention it, means it's not mounted |
| 22:19.08 | bluefox83 | yeah i kinda guessed that |
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| 22:19.20 | wols | lontra: check if that file is there. if not try to get it from somewhere |
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| 22:19.41 | lontra | wols: it's there |
| 22:20.02 | wols | then try and cp a file to /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 22:20.10 | wols | a small file if possible |
| 22:20.18 | wols | few hundred bytes or so max |
| 22:20.30 | jonkri | wols it works now. thanks a lot |
| 22:20.31 | lontra | wols: cp /path/to/file /dev/usb/lp0 ? |
| 22:20.37 | wols | yes |
| 22:20.38 | jonkri | any idea if gdm has been recently updated? i got a lot of new themes and stuff |
| 22:20.58 | lontra | wols: ok...nothing |
| 22:21.02 | jonkri | (testing) |
| 22:21.17 | wols | jonkri:fix that first. until that works, cups is not to blame |
| 22:21.22 | wols | hardware problem maybe |
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| 22:21.39 | wols | should have been lontra: not jonkri |
| 22:22.02 | lontra | it is a POS |
| 22:22.05 | wols | jonkri: don't thank me btw, someone else suggested that far above |
| 22:22.13 | lontra | i've thought about getting a hp |
| 22:22.31 | wols | it's a dell made by lexmark, what did you expect. but until you get that fixed all else is naught |
| 22:22.39 | sanmarcos | is there anything better than mc? |
| 22:22.45 | lontra | not just a lexmark but a 4 in all |
| 22:22.50 | wols | sanmarcos: yes. bash |
| 22:22.55 | lontra | sanmarcos: sex, vim |
| 22:23.02 | sanmarcos | lontra, sex sucks |
| 22:23.07 | bluefox83 | so is there any hope of rescuing my lost data? |
| 22:23.10 | sanmarcos | lontra, it is very basic |
| 22:23.19 | lontra | sanmarcos: what? |
| 22:23.25 | sanmarcos | lontra, :Sex |
| 22:23.30 | sanmarcos | or :Vex |
| 22:23.31 | wols | bluefox83: do you have a disk with enough space to hold the full bad partition? |
| 22:23.42 | bluefox83 | wols, and then some |
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| 22:23.59 | wols | bluefox83: find out where the superblock is on a ext3 partition |
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| 22:24.08 | wols | then make a parition of the EXACT size of the broken one |
| 22:24.13 | wols | to the byte exact |
| 22:24.20 | bluefox83 | k |
| 22:24.45 | wols | them mkfs an ext3 filesystem on the new on and copy everyone from the old one with dd over except the broken superblock |
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| 22:25.06 | wols | lots of work and I can't give any guarantee of success, but the best option right now imho |
| 22:25.22 | wols | that is if the superblock from the old one is in fact overwritten |
| 22:25.37 | bluefox83 | i just want the contents of my home directory, and /usr/local/game/ |
| 22:25.41 | wols | since you don't hcnage anything on the old parition you can try as often as you want |
| 22:25.49 | wols | *change |
| 22:26.41 | wols | supreblock _should_ be on the first sector of the partition but I'm not really sure so better research it first |
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| 22:28.10 | wols | bluefox83: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 22:28.25 | wols | search for second occurrence of the word "superblock". -n option |
| 22:28.29 | wols | very interesting to read |
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| 22:29.57 | CharonX | Is there a way to check max file size on a system ? Any way to build a 2G file, 2.1 G file ? To see if my filesize limit is 2G |
| 22:29.58 | CharonX | ? |
| 22:30.30 | wols | unless you run FAT or a 2.4.10 kernel or so, filesystem are always WAY above 2G |
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| 22:30.36 | bluefox83 | oh wow, it tells me where the superblocks are stored ^_^ |
| 22:30.45 | wols | but dd can easily build files of any size |
| 22:31.03 | bluefox83 | can i simply replace the main superblock? |
| 22:31.07 | wols | bluefox83: get them ALL and compare. if all are the same, the superblocks are fine |
| 22:31.10 | wols | if some are different... |
| 22:31.11 | CharonX | wols: eeek, I just checked this box. Its a 2.2 kernel |
| 22:31.20 | CharonX | Its an old test box.... |
| 22:31.29 | wols | CharonX: poor you. we won't tell anyone if you upgrade it ASAP :) |
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| 22:32.16 | CharonX | wols: im already at kernel.org |
| 22:32.47 | bluefox83 | wols, should i join #flood and show you the output? |
| 22:32.55 | wols | CharonX: do NOT create a kernel with initrd or modules at first. if your kernel is 2.2 your module utils probably aren't much younger... |
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| 22:33.30 | wols | bluefox83: won't help. can't do anything to it from here. whatever you do: do NOT work on the original disk. make a bit for bit backup with dd and work on that |
| 22:33.49 | Piolon | please, help me |
| 22:33.59 | Piolon | MX Record |
| 22:34.01 | wols | with work like this it's very very easy to screw up, and if you do screw up on the original, all is lost |
| 22:34.02 | bluefox83 | wols, ok :X |
| 22:34.10 | Piolon | MX Record in VHCS |
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| 22:34.37 | wwallace_lap | piolon pregunta |
| 22:34.52 | wwallace_lap | to whoever cares i fixed my vmware |
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| 22:35.02 | wwallace_lap | i just had to install g++ |
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| 22:35.13 | Piolon | You have one or more MX record(s) that contain an IP address !!!! |
| 22:35.26 | wwallace_lap | what? |
| 22:35.39 | wols | "multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a deranged mind" - pratchett |
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| 22:35.48 | jetscreamer | !congratulate wwallace_lap |
| 22:35.49 | dpkg | Good show wwallace_lap, you did it! |
| 22:35.56 | jetscreamer | ~congratulate wwallace_lap |
| 22:35.58 | apt | ACTION congratulates wwallace_lap on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 22:36.05 | wwallace_lap | ha |
| 22:36.05 | scyrma | I have a strange bug with openoffice ... icons are disappearing in the menu bar .. |
| 22:36.15 | scyrma | can't find which package might be doing that.. |
| 22:36.16 | wwallace_lap | very funny jetscreamer thanks anyway |
| 22:36.25 | scyrma | am I the only one with this problem ? |
| 22:36.28 | Piolon | pleasy help me |
| 22:36.33 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 22:36.38 | wwallace_lap | piolon ask the right way |
| 22:36.48 | wwallace_lap | no exclamationmarks be patinet |
| 22:36.49 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 22:36.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:37.04 | Piolon | ok |
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| 22:37.27 | Piolon | I have a problem width VHCS2 in Ubuntu 6.06 |
| 22:37.31 | wols | #ubuntu |
| 22:37.34 | wwallace_lap | no!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 22:37.41 | wwallace_lap | you messed up |
| 22:37.45 | wols | Piolon: you won't get help here, sorry |
| 22:37.50 | wwallace_lap | why did you mention ubuntu |
| 22:37.57 | wwallace_lap | now go to #ubuntu |
| 22:37.59 | Piolon | ah |
| 22:38.02 | Piolon | ok |
| 22:38.04 | Piolon | sorry |
| 22:38.19 | wwallace_lap | kanotix actually |
| 22:38.32 | wols | smae thing. now guess why we didn't care about your problem? |
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| 22:38.42 | wwallace_lap | what problem? |
| 22:38.50 | wols | whichever one you had |
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| 22:39.01 | jetscreamer | i use red hat! can anyone help me?? |
| 22:39.04 | Piolon | Error sending a message |
| 22:39.04 | wwallace_lap | dont have problems |
| 22:39.08 | wwallace_lap | kanotix rocks |
| 22:39.09 | jetscreamer | rh 1.2 |
| 22:39.29 | wwallace_lap | piolon andate a #ubuntu |
| 22:39.30 | Gokee2 | I have gentoo on one of my computers! And ipcop... :) |
| 22:39.36 | wwallace_lap | estos no te ayudaran mas |
| 22:39.43 | Piolon | gracais |
| 22:39.45 | Piolon | gracias |
| 22:39.50 | streuner | !gentoosmite Gokee2 |
| 22:39.51 | Piolon | soy novato en esto |
| 22:39.51 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 22:39.51 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 22:40.06 | muaddib | Also can anyone recommend a PCIx IDE controller that is supported under linux |
| 22:40.12 | wols | jetscreamer: now you have evreything you need as a redhat user. have fun the little time you still have :) |
| 22:40.15 | jetscreamer | i dual boot rh 1.2 and dos 1.2 |
| 22:40.17 | Gokee2 | lol |
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| 22:40.42 | wols | jetscreamer: now I know you are a liar. there is no dos 1.2 :P |
| 22:40.44 | jetscreamer | muaddib: if you mean an addin pata controller |
| 22:40.48 | jetscreamer | one sec |
| 22:40.55 | jetscreamer | has raid |
| 22:40.58 | wols | next time say "OS/2 1.2" |
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| 22:43.02 | wols | !hcl |
| 22:43.02 | dpkg | from memory, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:43.11 | wols | muaddib: look there |
| 22:43.17 | muaddib | jetscreamer: No I meant IDE, but PATA would be ok and RAID is not neccessary |
| 22:43.37 | wols | IDE is a bit old. as in 1990 old. you do want PATA |
| 22:44.36 | muaddib | wols: Well I know of PATA however I am use to IDE... (haven't touched anything else in like 8 years) that's why I was clear |
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| 22:45.07 | wols | unless you have a mobo from 1990 or so it's been ATA |
| 22:45.19 | wols | or don't you want udma and all that jazz? |
| 22:45.52 | wols | if not old IDE is fine. I think it useus PIO4 as a max which measn 16MB/s |
| 22:46.11 | muaddib | wols: My bad I just purchased the new gigabyte GA-965P that support the new Intel Duo, just found out the IDE controller really controller by the SATA controller and there aren't any drivers for it for linux. so I have to go get another controller :( |
| 22:46.33 | bluefox83 | ok..this is just assinine..i'm reinstalling from scratch |
| 22:46.47 | wols | not yet supported? not even with the newest kernels? |
| 22:46.51 | quitte | muaddib: what chipset is that? |
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| 22:47.04 | jetscreamer | Silicon Image CMD-0680 Medley RAID |
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| 22:47.09 | wols | quitte: 965 as he said. new one out since core2 is out |
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| 22:48.08 | quitte | jetscreamer: well in that case i wont google. is it unsupported? |
| 22:48.23 | muaddib | wols: it doesn't say the only reference I can find are the following... gigabyte sata2 or intel ICH8, but I am preety sure it is the sata controller that controls IDE |
| 22:48.45 | jetscreamer | ? no works great for me, 100% native mode |
| 22:49.21 | jetscreamer | but 2 pata controllers borked out udev/initrd/2.6.15&> |
| 22:49.32 | jetscreamer | sheer hell |
| 22:49.51 | wols | muaddib: 2.6.17 can use ICH8 |
| 22:50.00 | section31 | how do i set a bash script to run on startup |
| 22:50.01 | wols | oops. 2.6.18 can |
| 22:51.08 | dabreegster | section31: update-rc.d and maybe placing it in /etc/init.d |
| 22:51.08 | muaddib | wols: But nothing below |
| 22:51.23 | dabreegster | section31: Er, but make it handle the arguments it'll receive |
| 22:51.33 | thnee | is the sysv-rc output logged somewhere? |
| 22:51.34 | muaddib | wols: You wouldn't happen to know of any livecd's that have 2.6.18 supported would you |
| 22:51.51 | wols | muaddib: no, sorry |
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| 22:52.10 | wols | !debootstrap |
| 22:52.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 22:52.17 | section31 | eureka http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 22:52.40 | wols | that should help you compiling a 2.6.18 yourself and installing debian with it |
| 22:53.01 | wols | muaddib: 2.6.18 came out a few days ago so I actually doubt there's a livecd already |
| 22:53.23 | wols | !d-i |
| 22:53.23 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
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| 22:53.47 | wols | or ask in debian-boot how to build your own installer with your own kernel |
| 22:54.02 | muaddib | wols: But that chipset numnber I gave you has no tie into the Gigabyte SATAII Controller go to this site for the specs http://www.pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A4830994 |
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| 22:55.03 | wols | muaddib: the GA SATAII controller is for additional sata ports most likely |
| 22:55.04 | junix6591 | when will there be a new samba coming donw in unstable? |
| 22:55.16 | muaddib | wols: do you see what I mean |
| 22:55.19 | wols | I know that intel has sata ports and pata ports in their southbridges |
| 22:55.27 | wols | I see but it has no bearing |
| 22:55.40 | junix | when will there be a new samba coming donw in unstable? |
| 22:55.41 | wols | no mobo maker ever lets the chipset controllers go unused |
| 22:55.57 | muaddib | wols: Ok I will try what you suggested and get back to you... Thanks again for all your help though |
| 22:56.00 | wols | so you do have ICH8 and its 4 or so sata controllers and single PATA controller |
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| 22:56.25 | wols | various mobos then have additional sata controllers for ever more sata ports for some reason |
| 22:57.34 | muaddib | wols: I have 3 sata controllers(2 ports each) and a pata controller yes |
| 22:58.18 | wols | the pata one is from intel. so you need a driver for intel not gigabyte (and I don't believe in a minute it's a gigabyte chip) |
| 22:58.22 | wols | damn branding |
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| 22:59.12 | muaddib | wols: But the intel ich8 chipset is only supported in 2.6.18 then I presume |
| 22:59.23 | wols | yes |
| 22:59.54 | wols | you can look yourself on kernel.org changelog |
| 23:01.31 | wols | muaddib: have you tried any installers so far? |
| 23:01.43 | wols | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 23:01.43 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 23:01.45 | wols | this one maybe? |
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| 23:03.51 | Reliss | On Etch when I apt-get install xorg then gnome I get a very laggy desktop by default. |
| 23:03.51 | Reliss | When I apt-get install x-window-system then gnome I get a fast desktop by default. |
| 23:03.51 | Reliss | What are the differences between the two? and I thought they were supposed to be the same... |
| 23:04.04 | Reliss | Sorry, I didnt know it would be 3 lines xD |
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| 23:04.53 | muaddib | wols: YOu've been a great help, thanks again, but last question in order for me to change the kernel I am going to have to do debootstrap right? |
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| 23:05.23 | muaddib | Umm know I haven't tried the backports I do have 3.1 netimage cd and did try running the 2.6 kernel however IDE support didn't work |
| 23:05.30 | tespio | xorg is the new metpackage for X and x-windows-system+-core are transitional packages |
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| 23:05.38 | NetEcho | quitte sorry about that i went for supper |
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| 23:05.55 | Reliss | tespio: So ill eb OK running x-window-system? |
| 23:05.57 | Reliss | be* |
| 23:06.02 | wols | muaddib: ask in #debian-boot. they know MUCH more about it than me |
| 23:06.17 | muaddib | wols: I also did try install suse under 2.6.16.13-4 but didn't find my ide devices |
| 23:06.21 | tespio | Basically they are out of Etch Reliss |
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| 23:06.23 | wols | muaddib: 3.1 uses a very very old 2.6.8 kernel. no wonder it didn't work |
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| 23:06.35 | wols | ok 2.6.16 is more worrisome :( |
| 23:06.38 | tespio | Reliss And as soon as Etch goes out off they'll be gone |
| 23:07.35 | wols | Reliss: could be that your xorg setup used vesa drivers and the xfree86 one the proper drivers? |
| 23:08.20 | wols | Reliss: what videocard do you have? |
| 23:08.34 | Reliss | wols: A crappy integrated VIA unichrome |
| 23:08.39 | Reliss | wols: =[ |
| 23:08.46 | wols | it's supported by both |
| 23:08.58 | Reliss | wols: It works like crap on xorg :S |
| 23:09.11 | wols | normally xorg isn't laggier than xfree86 since they're the same codebase mostly |
| 23:09.29 | rx_ | hi. ive a big problem here. im using gnome and i try to play mp3 with xmms, rythmbox and totem, the songs are played but i hear an annoying noise as well. sadly, mp3 dont play at all with kde apps (amarok...)... is the problem related to the mixer? soundsystem? the codecs? |
| 23:09.52 | lunitik | Reliss: for what its worth... in Etch... x-window-system-core *only* depends xorg ... so either you're hallucinating, or just plain delusional :P |
| 23:10.11 | streuner | Reliss: its part of xorg |
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| 23:10.26 | lunitik | Reliss: it is a 'transitional package' in etch and sid... (x-w-s-c) |
| 23:10.49 | streuner | Reliss: for xfree86 you need the modules (/msg dpkg unichrome) |
| 23:11.09 | wols | Reliss: are you running sarge (with xorg repositories added) or etch? |
| 23:11.24 | lunitik | Reliss: apt-cache show x-window-system to see what else it depends other than x-w-s-core/xorg |
| 23:12.00 | lunitik | Actually, that only depends 'xorg' too, hmm |
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| 23:13.34 | c|int | lunitik: ! :P |
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| 23:14.23 | tespio | Lucky me i got the X out of my list of packages for good :) |
| 23:14.40 | XSoul | hello team |
| 23:14.49 | XSoul | I donlowad the debian live cd but don't know the password |
| 23:14.50 | ibanh | anyone ipsec experts in the room? |
| 23:15.00 | XSoul | anyone can help me ? |
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| 23:15.08 | lunitik | XSoul: you mean Knoppix or something? |
| 23:15.08 | streuner | XSoul: there is no debian live CD :-) |
| 23:15.11 | zamuro | XSoul: That must be root. |
| 23:15.15 | XSoul | debian live login password ? .. must be debian/debian |
| 23:15.22 | XSoul | no .. console login as debian user |
| 23:15.29 | tespio | huh?! |
| 23:15.34 | lunitik | XSoul: where did you get it? |
| 23:15.36 | XSoul | x server login need |
| 23:15.38 | XSoul | sec |
| 23:16.02 | XSoul | http://live.debian.net/ |
| 23:16.53 | lunitik | XSoul: http://live.debian.net/wiki/FAQ |
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| 23:18.15 | XSoul | i read it but can't change the password |
| 23:18.36 | lunitik | XSoul: you try root/debian or something? |
| 23:18.44 | XSoul | yes i do |
| 23:18.50 | lunitik | XSoul: root/root? |
| 23:19.03 | XSoul | yes |
| 23:19.15 | lunitik | Waste of time |
| 23:19.17 | dvs | ubuntu/ubuntu? |
| 23:19.37 | tespio | :) |
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| 23:20.18 | lucas | which is the repository to get the 2.7 kernel? |
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| 23:20.26 | dvs | lucas: none |
| 23:20.31 | wols | lucas: the time machine one |
| 23:20.34 | kensai | lucas, ask Linus |
| 23:20.40 | wols | cause you need a time machine to get a 2.7 kernel |
| 23:20.44 | lunitik | lucas: they decided to do development within the 2.6 branch this time |
| 23:20.54 | lunitik | lucas: gets new technologies to people faster.... |
| 23:21.04 | lucas | sorry 2.6 |
| 23:21.17 | lunitik | lucas: its in Sarge (2.6.8) |
| 23:21.19 | DoppelGanger | call h g wells hes got one dude |
| 23:21.23 | wols | any debian repository has various 2.6 kernels |
| 23:21.36 | wols | DoppelGanger: he broke it I think in the end |
| 23:21.44 | tespio | Unless you want to build from latest stable on from kernel.org |
| 23:21.49 | lucas | apt-get install kernel-image? |
| 23:22.00 | wols | apt-cache search first |
| 23:22.06 | wols | so you know what is available |
| 23:22.07 | lunitik | lucas: kernel-image-2.6-arch yes |
| 23:22.10 | DoppelGanger | wols: really, i wanted to use it to see who killed kennedy |
| 23:22.27 | wols | DoppelGanger: a morlock of course |
| 23:22.36 | lucas | kewl. debian is not that hard. |
| 23:22.42 | lunitik | DoppelGanger: of all the things to do with a time machine... you wanna find out who killed kennedy? I don't get it |
| 23:22.44 | Gokee2_Laptop | apt-get update spits out "gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -" I just did what dpkg said "gokee2:/home/gokee2# gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | apt-key add -" It said "OK". So whats wrong now? |
| 23:23.16 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: no idea... what it say is wrong? |
| 23:23.16 | DoppelGanger | lunitik: i cannot thing of anything i would need the time machine for |
| 23:23.21 | DoppelGanger | life is pretty good right now |
| 23:23.38 | lunitik | DoppelGanger: I'd get Debian 5.0 and bring it back for one 8) |
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| 23:23.58 | lunitik | Then I'd love to see people saying Debian is outdated |
| 23:24.06 | lunitik | dvs: cheat |
| 23:24.06 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 23:24.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | lunaphyte, "W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 23:24.43 | lunitik | Why do so many suck so badly at auto-completion? |
| 23:24.57 | wols | lucas: I'd go and buy a PC in the future. then come back and sell it to intel or amd or simply the highest bidder :) |
| 23:25.06 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: did you do what it says? |
| 23:25.11 | wols | maybe then we can get decent computers in 2-3 years :) |
| 23:25.37 | Gokee2_Laptop | lunitik, ya... its apt-get update that spits out that msg in the first place... I have ran it many times |
| 23:25.43 | lunitik | wols: now you're talking... although, I'd buy two... cuz I'd wanna keep one |
| 23:25.50 | wols | lunitik: irssi autocompletion changed one day and since then it sucks |
| 23:25.51 | lucas | one more thing: i cant install adept .. i have "unstable" in my sources.list |
| 23:26.10 | wols | the "keep one" goes without saying. same for the cool new games and such :) |
| 23:26.11 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hmm although only once after I installed the new key |
| 23:26.11 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: you have debian-archive-keyring installed? |
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| 23:26.42 | Gokee2_Laptop | lunitik, I have no idea... |
| 23:26.42 | lunitik | I don't have the attention span for them |
| 23:26.57 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: I didn't ask you to guess... |
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| 23:27.14 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: dpkg -l debian-archives-keyring |
| 23:27.26 | Reliss | god damn giving your cat pills is hardf |
| 23:27.28 | Reliss | hard* |
| 23:27.36 | lunitik | Uhh... minus the s |
| 23:27.50 | lunitik | Reliss: mush it up in its food, dumby |
| 23:27.58 | lunitik | dummy* |
| 23:28.01 | blackelf | is there a quick way to upgrade all packages (dist-upgrade) except packages which upgrade would made it necessarey to REMOVE others? |
| 23:28.06 | Reliss | lunitik: you cant for cats, they spit it out; dummy. |
| 23:28.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | lunitik, "No packages found matching debian-archives-keyring." |
| 23:28.11 | blackelf | so "non-destructive" upgrade |
| 23:28.45 | lunitik | Reliss: I've done it, and it worked... just make sure its like... well mixed in... |
| 23:28.56 | Gokee2_Laptop | "E: Couldn't find package debian-archives-keyring"... What pkg is it in? |
| 23:28.56 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: [16:29] <lunitik> Uhh... minus the s |
| 23:29.31 | Gokee2_Laptop | ah thats it |
| 23:29.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | its installing now |
| 23:29.43 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: Also, you better not be using mirrors.kernel.org |
| 23:29.57 | Reliss | lunitik: It's a hard pill, and it dissolves |
| 23:30.05 | wols | blackelf: apt-get upgrade |
| 23:30.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | lunitik, Why not? |
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| 23:30.29 | lunitik | Gokee2_Laptop: its broken... horribly |
| 23:30.32 | lunitik | !fudo |
| 23:30.32 | dpkg | i heard fudo is due to a bad mirror sync, some repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors> |
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| 23:30.46 | lucas | anyone knows how can i cant install adept? |
| 23:30.49 | lunitik | That factoid became very non-specific.... |
| 23:30.51 | jonkri | i have the nvidia driver installed the debian way, i see the nvidia logo when i start x but glxinfo | grep direct gives me "no". any ideas why this is happening? thanks in advance! |
| 23:30.54 | lucas | <--- newb |
| 23:31.00 | lunitik | lucas: its in Sid :/ |
| 23:31.02 | Reliss | haha, 'no' |
| 23:31.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | I am using debian.org |
| 23:31.11 | lunitik | lucas: its horribly broken though... won't even run |
| 23:31.11 | wols | jonkri: libGL isn't installed probably |
| 23:31.12 | blackelf | wols: but that will not creatre conflicts? |
| 23:31.22 | wols | it still uses mesa GL with software openGL |
| 23:31.36 | wols | blackelf: no |
| 23:31.38 | Marupa | hi, um....trying to get it so that windows can use my samba shares....no idea how to do that...anyone want to help? |
| 23:31.43 | blackelf | neat |
| 23:31.45 | jonkri | wols i installed nvidia-glx-dev, what more do i need to do? (that package was from usntable, i'm running testing, you remember) |
| 23:32.01 | wols | jonkri: nvidia-glx |
| 23:32.07 | lunitik | wols: I thought Mesa *was* an implementation of OpenGL in software? somewhat redundant, no? |
| 23:32.22 | wols | lunitik: yes. but what evreyone wants is hardware opengl :) |
| 23:32.36 | lucas | lunitil: ok... what about synaptic? |
| 23:32.42 | jonkri | wols i already had that |
| 23:32.46 | jonkri | wols but i will try to reboot |
| 23:32.48 | lunitik | lucas: luni[tabkey] tyia |
| 23:32.51 | jonkri | wols restart x even |
| 23:32.55 | wols | reboot won't help. this is not windows |
| 23:33.00 | lunitik | lucas: aptitude install synaptic :/ |
| 23:33.03 | jonkri | wols read my last msg :) |
| 23:33.08 | jonkri | wols i installed it again, see if it helps |
| 23:33.17 | jonkri | wols brb |
| 23:33.22 | wols | look if the libGL is there and if mesa is installed |
| 23:33.36 | Marupa | could someone help me set up samba? |
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| 23:33.44 | lunitik | Marupa: #samba |
| 23:33.49 | wols | Marupa: edit your smb.conf, restart samba. done |
| 23:33.56 | tespio | synaptic is only in testing/unstable i think.. i may be wrong though |
| 23:33.57 | Gokee2_Laptop | Ok I installed debian-archive-keyring and redid dpkg steps. Still have the same problem. |
| 23:33.58 | lunitik | wols: soososos helpful :P |
| 23:34.09 | lunitik | !info synaptic sarge |
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| 23:34.14 | dvs | !info synaptic sarge |
| 23:34.17 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.55+cvs20050503-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1650 kB, Installed size: 5012 kB |
| 23:34.18 | jonkri | same problem |
| 23:34.28 | Marupa | mmmk, thanks, lunitik. |
| 23:34.29 | jonkri | wols that didn't make any difference |
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| 23:34.34 | jonkri | wols want to see my xorg.conf? |
| 23:34.37 | wols | 01:33 < wols> look if the libGL is there and if mesa is installed |
| 23:34.48 | wols | jonkri: your xorg.conf is fine. nothing to do with that |
| 23:35.07 | wols | look which package installed your libGL |
| 23:35.42 | jonkri | wols how can i see that? |
| 23:36.00 | jonkri | http://rafb.net/paste/results/WJHThX83.html |
| 23:36.34 | lunitik | jonkri: dpkg -S oneofthose |
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| 23:36.50 | wols | dpkg -S <filenm> |
| 23:36.51 | dpkg | Package: <filenm>: Status: install ok installed |
| 23:36.53 | wols | duh |
| 23:37.04 | jonkri | http://rafb.net/paste/results/qy4QmQ10.html |
| 23:37.18 | lunitik | Stupid bot needs to pay attention to case for those things... |
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| 23:37.48 | lunitik | jonkri: umm... ok, then its from nvidia-glx.... |
| 23:38.11 | lunitik | actually, a couple packages... maybe conflicting? |
| 23:38.11 | wols | lunitik: and why is http://rafb.net/paste/results/qy4QmQ10.html |
| 23:38.23 | wols | lunitik: and why is libgl1-mesa-glx installed? |
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| 23:38.41 | lunitik | wols: why you asking me? its not my system :/ |
| 23:38.43 | wols | jonkri: we can't read that danish or swedish or whatever. what it means |
| 23:38.49 | Gokee2_Laptop | so does anyone know why my keys are still broke? |
| 23:38.53 | jonkri | whoops, didn't see that |
| 23:38.55 | wols | lunitik: well you said it's nvidia-glx. I'm not so sure |
| 23:39.15 | lunitik | wols: like I said, maybe they're conflicting? |
| 23:39.24 | blackelf | what is an console/curses tool to view users/group and edit them |
| 23:39.29 | blackelf | in a comfortable way |
| 23:39.31 | jonkri | lunitik i needed these for xgl: http://blue.dyn-o-saur.com/debianxgl/apt-get-packages |
| 23:39.39 | jonkri | wols hold on, i will do an LC_ALL |
| 23:39.45 | lunitik | blackelf: you don't like /etc/passwd and /etc/group ? |
| 23:39.57 | wols | jonkri: uninstall the mesa glx |
| 23:40.02 | blackelf | lunitik: not so much. there is users-admin but its X only |
| 23:40.08 | wols | then reinstall nvidia-glx again |
| 23:40.15 | jonkri | wols http://rafb.net/paste/results/7z2DW616.html |
| 23:40.16 | abrotman | vipw ? :) |
| 23:40.52 | lunitik | Just gotta remember to actually make the home dir's :o |
| 23:40.57 | jonkri | wols which package is mesa glx? |
| 23:41.15 | wols | libgl1-mesa-glx as your paste showa |
| 23:41.17 | wols | shows |
| 23:41.17 | jonkri | is mesa glx a dependency of http://blue.dyn-o-saur.com/debianxgl/apt-get-packages ? |
| 23:41.27 | abrotman | xgl is not in debian |
| 23:41.27 | beardy | jonkri: try 'LANG=C dpkg -S libGL.so' if you want english help, (it's really much better not to change the systems locale, only your users..) |
| 23:41.28 | wols | jonkri: normally not |
| 23:41.53 | wols | jonkri: and before you go all l337 on us with XGL and shit, get your basics in order first |
| 23:41.58 | jonkri | beardy :) |
| 23:42.24 | blackelf | I wonder when GLX will be in testing debian |
| 23:42.41 | abrotman | might never be |
| 23:42.50 | abrotman | many seem to consider aiglx a superior solution |
| 23:42.52 | jonkri | wols i only saw libGL.so.xlibmesa... didn't get that it was libgl1-mesa-_glx_ |
| 23:42.57 | lunitik | blackelf: Xgl is a hackish implementation of wobbly windows... see abrotman's statement |
| 23:42.59 | jonkri | let's see |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | and it's still not in debian .. and not supported here |
| 23:43.36 | lunitik | blackelf: at the very least, they'll need to clean up the code... then maybe it can be considered for merging into Xorg |
| 23:43.37 | jonkri | omfg :) it will remove a lot |
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| 23:43.50 | blackelf | it is like.. months? years? |
| 23:44.00 | abrotman | for what? |
| 23:44.05 | wols | jonkri: all of X? |
| 23:44.08 | jonkri | wols http://rafb.net/paste/results/srIcGI85.html |
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| 23:44.14 | blackelf | Xgl in testing |
| 23:44.21 | lunitik | blackelf: AIGLX is getting in as soon as Xorg 7.1 gets in... who cares about Xgl? Its crap |
| 23:44.45 | abrotman | blackelf: i just said .. it might never be in debian .. at all |
| 23:44.50 | blackelf | well I want my 2d desktop to be drawed fully accelerated, using oengl. Can AIGLX do that as well? |
| 23:44.57 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 23:44.59 | abrotman | bah |
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| 23:45.02 | lunitik | blackelf: yes |
| 23:45.12 | blackelf | !alig |
| 23:45.12 | lunitik | abrotman: good boy... or something :P |
| 23:45.13 | dpkg | BOOYAKASHA! |
| 23:45.19 | tkup | pvcreate /dev/hdb1 completes successfully. but vgcreate xen /dev/hdb1 /dev/hda5 gives me "No physical volume label read from /dev/hdb1" and "not identified as an existing physical volume" |
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| 23:45.48 | jonkri | wols that lib isn't supposed to screw up my drivers, right? i did it the debian way,. as you know |
| 23:45.48 | blackelf | lunitik: so what is the difference between them |
| 23:45.56 | lunitik | blackelf: AIGLX is basically the same as Xgl to the user... its just a _much_ cleaner implementation... |
| 23:46.01 | blackelf | oh |
| 23:46.08 | jonkri | is xgl miguels project? |
| 23:46.13 | blackelf | and it will be in matter of weeks/month in testing, with xorg 7.1? |
| 23:46.16 | lunitik | blackelf: Xgl supports proprietary stuff though |
| 23:46.18 | wols | jonkri: in the end, all your libGL.so* must by symlinks to nvidia libGL-...1.0.81.7x or something like that |
| 23:46.21 | wols | no matter how you do it |
| 23:46.27 | lunitik | blackelf: AIGLX supports drivers already in X... |
| 23:46.29 | jonkri | wols well i have no idea |
| 23:46.33 | blackelf | AIGLX will not use my closed source nvidia binary driver? |
| 23:46.37 | wols | jonkri: the debian way is relative sinec you used a sid package |
| 23:46.48 | lunitik | jonkri: no, although Novell hired the maintainer when it started working |
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| 23:47.13 | lunitik | blackelf: nope... open source devels don't support closed source things... its illegal to distribute it |
| 23:47.14 | jonkri | wols so it wasn't a good idea? |
| 23:47.22 | jonkri | lunitik ah, ok |
| 23:47.27 | blackelf | free nv driver is like 3-5 times slowe therefore AIGLX will be quite unusable fore me |
| 23:47.39 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 23:47.40 | dpkg | i guess aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 23:47.58 | blackelf | lunitik: you start again? didnt we sort it out? using closed source nvidia driver is NOT "ILLEGAL" |
| 23:48.06 | lunitik | abrotman: founded by X.Org Foundation? huh |
| 23:48.15 | abrotman | so wikipedia says |
| 23:48.27 | abrotman | blackelf: it's illegal based on the DFSG |
| 23:48.27 | lunitik | blackelf: re-read my statement |
| 23:48.39 | wols | jonkri: it wasn't a bad idea either. it just is |
| 23:48.49 | lunitik | blackelf: I said its illegal to distribute it this time... which is fact |
| 23:48.55 | blackelf | abrotman: it is illegal to do what exacy, and in what way illegal? like in "go to prison" |
| 23:49.03 | blackelf | ah ye |
| 23:49.05 | wols | jonkri: but this mesa-glx must og or at least be neutralized if you want 3D support |
| 23:49.10 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 23:49.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 23:49.12 | lunitik | blackelf: get an Intel card... or ATI when AMD releases the specs etc... |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | or an old matrox |
| 23:49.31 | blackelf | lunitik: i915 is still about x10 times slower then medium GeForce |
| 23:49.33 | lunitik | That too |
| 23:49.33 | tkup | anyone who can help with LVM issues? |
| 23:49.53 | jonkri | wols noone from testing should be using this method then |
| 23:49.54 | lunitik | blackelf: ok... then good luck getting Xgl working on Debian? |
| 23:50.01 | jonkri | wols if i can't get direct rendering then what's the point? |
| 23:50.08 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian .. not supported here |
| 23:50.11 | blackelf | but why AIGLX can not support close source nvidia driver, leaving to user the option to download it and so on, as it is for nvidia+xorg now |
| 23:50.17 | wols | jonkri: you can get it if you correct the install properly |
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| 23:50.27 | jonkri | wols yes but i have no idea how |
| 23:50.31 | lunitik | abrotman: you said that... I'm not disagreeing... just telling him good luck getting it working ;P |
| 23:50.36 | jonkri | wols and neither would most other people |
| 23:50.40 | S3RAPH | xgl isn't all that bad....its just very picky about what windows manager u use |
| 23:50.50 | jonkri | wols i havn't seen anything about this and i would never find it on my own |
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| 23:51.04 | lunitik | blackelf: Because Red Hat gives a shit about open source... |
| 23:51.13 | blackelf | lunitik: elaborate |
| 23:51.22 | abrotman | nvidia doesn't ? :) |
| 23:51.26 | wols | jonkri: go into the lib directory where all your libGL libs are, then paste the output lf ls -al libGL* |
| 23:51.34 | wols | "ls -al libGL" |
| 23:51.54 | lunitik | blackelf: see abrotman's statement... again... |
| 23:51.59 | ry1 | abrotman: for future reference, alsa compiled right into a kernel works, it's just volume is by default set to zero, you need to apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 23:52.00 | blackelf | lunitik: if nvidia would release a driver (bianary) that is designed to be usable from AIGLX (like it have some open source AIGLX interface + binary main source) then? |
| 23:52.08 | ry1 | and use alsamixer to turn it up |
| 23:52.11 | abrotman | ry1: that's stupid! |
| 23:52.11 | lunitik | blackelf: its not open source companies problem to support it if they can't look at specs |
| 23:52.16 | jonkri | wols i assume s/libGL/libGL* |
| 23:52.40 | jonkri | wols http://rafb.net/paste/results/zlyXx052.html |
| 23:52.42 | ry1 | abrotman: I know :) but it seems that the developer thought that 0 was the only setting that wouldn't blow up a speaker. so I recompiled for nothing |
| 23:52.49 | ry1 | grrr |
| 23:52.50 | abrotman | ry1: doh! |
| 23:52.50 | blackelf | lunitik: but if nvidia would take care to release some nvidia-linux-aiglx driver then probably it will work fine? |
| 23:53.01 | ry1 | I'm still compiling as a matter of fact :) |
| 23:53.01 | abrotman | blackelf: we can't say .. ask #nvidia or call nvidia |
| 23:53.05 | blackelf | ok |
| 23:53.09 | dvs | ry1: I knew that. You didn't have alsa-utils installed before? |
| 23:53.20 | ry1 | dvs: no, just base |
| 23:53.21 | lunitik | blackelf: going by history of nvidia drivers... I'd say it would be crap... |
| 23:53.24 | blackelf | abrotman: but mine question was, is it possible if nvidia will cooperate, or is not possible at all |
| 23:53.25 | ry1 | I didn't know I needed utils |
| 23:53.43 | ry1 | so it's my fault and I deserve the recompiling hell I am going through now :) |
| 23:53.45 | beardy | !alsa d.6 |
| 23:53.46 | abrotman | blackelf: that's up to them .. they don't like to paly with others .. bad company .. i hope they die |
| 23:53.47 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 23:53.48 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 23:53.50 | wols | jonkri: looks good; all of them use the nvidia drivers |
| 23:53.53 | blackelf | lunitik: well I wish all best for intell but from what I see the i915 is still terrible slow. |
| 23:54.07 | abrotman | so what |
| 23:54.08 | dvs | well, ry1 doesn't need discover |
| 23:54.09 | ry1 | beardy: I thought that I needed to modularize the drivers to do that though |
| 23:54.10 | blackelf | abrotman: well I might try intell, but does intell do some reall 3d driver for desktops? |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | at least it works |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | blackelf: yes .. i have it .. it's open source |
| 23:54.35 | jonkri | wols so there isn't a problem with libgl1-mesa-glx? |
| 23:54.39 | wols | blackelf: intel is very very slow. no comparison to a nvidia card |
| 23:54.42 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 is also And make sure the volume is turned UP and are UNMUTED! |
| 23:54.43 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 23:54.49 | blackelf | abrotman: it is too slow for my needs... I wonder do Intell have some card which price range of GeForce and at least 50% as fast in modern 3D (with antialiasing shaders and all that) |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | blackelf: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
| 23:54.51 | wols | jae: apparently not, sorry I was wrong |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | beardy: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
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| 23:55.03 | abrotman | blackelf: what needs? |
| 23:55.06 | wols | jonkri: can you paste the output of glxinfo? |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | blackelf: 3d acclerated porn ? |
| 23:55.12 | lunitik | blackelf: I also brought up ATI, as AMD says they'll open source those drivers (at least some functionality needed...) ... GPU's will be obsolete anyways soon imo... at least for 90% of the world |
| 23:55.12 | blackelf | abrotman: 3D games? |
| 23:55.22 | wols | blackelf: intel has no separate videocards. none |
| 23:55.24 | jonkri | wols certainl |
| 23:55.25 | abrotman | buy a ps2 |
| 23:55.27 | blackelf | abrotman: and 3d sax games, yes. but mostly regualr 3d games |
| 23:55.32 | beardy | abrotman: Important things can be mentioned twice. |
| 23:55.34 | blackelf | wols: ? |
| 23:55.45 | jonkri | wols http://rafb.net/paste/results/t2F6XP72.html |
| 23:55.52 | abrotman | blackelf: they don't sell pci/agp/pcix cards etc |
| 23:55.57 | wols | blackelf: you cannot buy a "videocard". all their videochipsets are bult into the mobo and use shared memory. all of them |
| 23:55.58 | abrotman | bad move IMO |
| 23:55.58 | peterS | lunitik: for people who don't need 3D performance, GPUs have _always_ been pretty much obsolete |
| 23:56.03 | blackelf | only thoes integrated to mainboard card, of speed&quality of 5-year-old TNT or s3trio? |
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| 23:56.08 | lunitik | abrotman: wait, they have 3D accelerated port? you have my attention :o |
| 23:56.23 | abrotman | blackelf: they work just fine .. i can play many 3d games |
| 23:56.32 | blackelf | wols: so all their 3d cards will have quality of like... 5 year old Voodoo card? |
| 23:56.33 | wols | jonkri: you have 3D acceleration: OpenGL renderer string: GeForce FX 5200/PCI/SSE2 |
| 23:56.33 | lunitik | s/port/porn/ |
| 23:56.39 | wols | OpenGL version string: 1.2 (2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.62) |
| 23:56.40 | abrotman | blackelf: NO NO NO |
| 23:56.44 | abrotman | fucking idiot |
| 23:56.49 | blackelf | O_o |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | !!! |
| 23:56.56 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 23:56.58 | blackelf | abrotman: what in the fucks name |
| 23:57.00 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 23:57.01 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 23:57.04 | jonkri | wols it's direct rendering: No that is my problem. i'm sorry if i hasn't been clear enough on that |
| 23:57.16 | beardy | Let's kick some helper ass! |
| 23:57.16 | wols | and why would you need that? |
| 23:57.20 | lunitik | peterS: true... but AMD apparently plans to merge GPU and CPU into one core... which will accelerate things... |
| 23:57.25 | jonkri | wols i just do :) |
| 23:57.29 | blackelf | abrotman: do not call me an idiot idiot :[ |
| 23:57.32 | wols | lunitik: no it won't |
| 23:57.34 | peterS | lunitik: great idea. remember the Cyrix MediaGX? same thing, about 8 years ago. |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | blackelf: pay attention idiot :) |
| 23:57.38 | jonkri | wols for my xgl setup i wish to begin with as soon as this works |
| 23:57.42 | wols | lunitik: this is NOT for high end gaming stuff and never will be |
| 23:57.44 | peterS | lunitik: if you don't remember the Cyrix MediaGX ... my point exactly. |
| 23:57.57 | wols | lunitik: it's for business guys to counter the intel video chipsets |
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| 23:58.02 | blackelf | abrotman: I do pay attention stupid wise ass. why you think I dont |
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| 23:58.18 | abrotman | blackelf: because you're not paying attention |
| 23:58.34 | wols | jonkri: can't you use compiz or something? |
| 23:58.34 | abrotman | blackelf: regardless .. nvidia is a bad company .. they're no friends of open source |
| 23:58.42 | ibanh | anyone have any ideas about how its possible for my router respond to pings, but tcpdump doesnt show them? the only pings that dont show up are from an IPSec tunnel |
| 23:58.46 | lunitik | wols: look through what AMD has released about the merger... note nothing about GPU's for "distant future" ... |
| 23:59.06 | lunitik | abrotman: apparently they sponsor Gentoo :o |
| 23:59.12 | jonkri | wols i'm trying to. accourding to a tutorial. can you bottomline it, please? is it possible for me to have direct drawing? |
| 23:59.22 | blackelf | abrotman: so what to use, when I need graphic card at least as capable as GeForce 5 mx |
| 23:59.24 | abrotman | lunitik: so what? they don't give nvidia open source drivers |
| 23:59.29 | ry1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.33 | wols | lunitik: currently a GPU uses about 100W, this will rise with the next gen. now you say they will put a 200W on 100mm^2? really? |
| 23:59.38 | abrotman | blackelf: use what you want .. but don't be upset when people tell you that nvidia is an evil company |
| 23:59.40 | tnks | What's the best way to quickly tell if a package is installed. I was thinking about checking for /var/lib/dpkg/info/${PACKAGE}.list. Is that sane? |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | nvidia is just as bad as MS |
| 23:59.59 | lunitik | wols: thats where AMD appears to be heading... yes |
