| 00:00.05 | blackelf | well then someone should tell Intell that we are willing to buy good 3d cards from them |
| 00:00.08 | wols | jonkri: all I can say is you can run and 3D acclerated game like tuxracer or enemy territory in its full glory |
| 00:00.09 | blackelf | but real cards |
| 00:00.13 | abrotman | (so is ati i suppose) |
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| 00:00.21 | blackelf | wols: which model? |
| 00:00.23 | abrotman | blackelf: you can't buy intel cards .. you have to buy an intel mobo |
| 00:00.25 | peterS | blackelf: yeah really. the fact that they only make motherboard chips, not separate cards, is a bummer. lots of us would buy them. |
| 00:00.30 | wols | lunitik: do you know what 200W in a single chip package mean? you can't be serious |
| 00:00.38 | jonkri | wols well, that doesn't anser my question :) |
| 00:00.39 | blackelf | peterS: lets petition them |
| 00:00.42 | lunitik | blackelf: you're preaching to the wrong people... most here could give a fuck about pretty graphics and square leaves |
| 00:00.57 | Valombre | tnks, dpkg -l | grep pkgname |
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| 00:00.59 | blackelf | 3d is not only for games btw |
| 00:01.11 | lunitik | wols: no idea... but most of what I've read says thats where AMD plans to go... |
| 00:01.13 | abrotman | blackelf: i have an intel 855GM .. i can play all the 3d games in debian |
| 00:01.24 | wols | blackelf: high end models use around 100W right now. CPUs (high end) do the same. so if you put both together you get a 200mm^2 or so chip at 200W. the yields are atrocious and the power needs even more so |
| 00:01.29 | abrotman | blackelf: and play them well |
| 00:01.35 | wols | that's not sustainable for PCs. just cannot happen with current Si techb |
| 00:01.50 | blackelf | abrotman: what is usable as a good benchmark? in bzFlag 1024x768 24 bpp medium quality low textures I get only 10-15 fps |
| 00:01.50 | wols | lunitik: think about what you read. not just regurgitate |
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| 00:02.17 | abrotman | blackelf: dunno ... gravity broke my 3d .. |
| 00:02.21 | tnks | Valombre: I thought about that, but that seems like it burns a lot of needless CPU. |
| 00:02.26 | blackelf | abrotman: huh? |
| 00:02.35 | lunitik | blackelf: instead of preaching to us... how about calling nvidia and preaching to them? set up a petition that has names of people that will stop using nvidia cards if they don't open source things people need? see how far that gets you |
| 00:02.35 | peterS | blackelf: he means gravity the X.org maintainer |
| 00:02.36 | abrotman | oh wait .. it says it's on |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:02.38 | wols | lunitik: they can put small, simple GPUs int here. like mediagx. like what businesses need. that'S fine, that's cheap that's groovy. but a gamer will always need something substantially better. which means it uses more power. MUCH more |
| 00:02.42 | Valombre | Oo |
| 00:02.45 | blackelf | lunitik: ok |
| 00:02.53 | DocOC | abrotman: if you don't stop, I'm going to go to dell's web site right now and buy the dimension 1000n |
| 00:03.16 | wols | which means it must be separate. so either ATI can pack up shop and let nvidia have the market or they can continue to build high end chips that over time trickle down to business users and wander into the CPU. their choice |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | DocOC: oh .. does it come broken or does it have a timebomb? |
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| 00:04.01 | DocOC | abrotman: I don't know, but it does have an intel onboard 3dcard, and it's only $275 (no MS tax) |
| 00:04.10 | blackelf | wols: imho Intell might want to make AGP or PCI Express separate 3d card, as capable as GeForce 5 mx, and market it as fully linux compatible card |
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| 00:04.19 | peterS | DocOC: sounds interesting |
| 00:04.20 | lunitik | wols: ATI is dead... AMD Radeon :P |
| 00:04.27 | wols | lunitik: one possibility however, is the 2 socket thing AMD pushes. where the 2nd socket has some specialized coprocessors. right now only for science applications and such, but of course it could just as well get a nice juicy ATI GPU in there.... |
| 00:04.32 | Valombre | tnks, i don't see any other method to do it, but ... "it burns a lot of needless CPU" => Oo |
| 00:04.39 | abrotman | DocOC: get an HP :) |
| 00:04.55 | peterS | wols: so this socket is a proxy for an AGP slot? |
| 00:05.01 | DocOC | peterS: it ships with freedos, which is hillarious, because there aren't drivers for any of its hardware in freedos. |
| 00:05.02 | wols | blackelf: they will afaik, they licensed powerVR tech possibly just for that. but it'S some time away still. just like that GPU in CPU thing of AMD |
| 00:05.05 | abrotman | DocOC: or buy parts .. you can get intel stuff cheap |
| 00:05.15 | blackelf | cool |
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| 00:05.27 | lunitik | wols: you're speaking of current technology... they're talking 2008 and beyond... who knows where technology will be in 2+ years? |
| 00:05.33 | wols | peterS: with a MUCH better integration to the CPU which might open up possibilities, yes. think: direct HT link |
| 00:05.34 | blackelf | so generally Intell is linux friendly? I thought AMD was? |
| 00:05.41 | DocOC | abrotman: for 275, I wouldn't get enough parts to put a whole machine together. |
| 00:05.52 | lunitik | blackelf: AMD is, but they don't own ATI yet |
| 00:05.54 | peterS | wols: so that's going to be significantly better than a GART, then? |
| 00:05.56 | abrotman | DocOC: can you make it not a dell? :) |
| 00:05.58 | wols | lunitik: I KNOW there still won't be separate videocards in gamer pcs and no integrated shit |
| 00:06.14 | abrotman | blackelf: they both are .. |
| 00:06.25 | blackelf | neat |
| 00:06.30 | DocOC | abrotman: I could remove the case and wrap it in tin-foil :) |
| 00:06.30 | lunitik | wols: can I borrow your crystal ball please? |
| 00:06.39 | blackelf | so.. both important CPU vendors are linux friendly, how nice |
| 00:06.42 | peterS | blackelf: Intel is Linux-friendly until you talk wireless NICs, then they refuse to open source their firmware |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:06.57 | jonkri | i have xorg, debian testing, amd64, working nvidia drivers with the nvidia logo at startup and all. now, i want to have direct rendering on in my glxinfo, what do i need to do? thanks in advance |
| 00:06.59 | blackelf | peterS: damn. why |
| 00:07.03 | pinky_ | Why can't I use the "exportfs" command on my system to reload the contents of /etc/exports? |
| 00:07.03 | abrotman | peterS: they at least write the drivers to they're functional(with the firmware) |
| 00:07.04 | wols | peterS: at least it has lower latency. GART is dead btw, we have PCI-E now :). A downside of that approach is, the GPU needs to use system memory maybe. their own dedicated memory but system memroy still. which is very slow compared to current video mem.so I dunno really if it's good perfomance wise |
| 00:07.12 | pinky_ | Do I need a specific package for exportfs to work? |
| 00:07.17 | wols | peterS: or we get 512MB video mem on the mobo of course :) |
| 00:07.22 | blackelf | but I wonder is open source so good for a comapny? if it is, then why they dont do it |
| 00:07.33 | pinky_ | I have nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server installed |
| 00:07.44 | peterS | blackelf: the excuse is that they implement signal broadcast strength restrictions in the firmware and if they open sourced it people could hack their firmware to produce illegal signal strength / channels / whatnot, getting them in trouble with the FCC |
| 00:07.46 | pinky_ | Even as root, it says exportfs command not found |
| 00:07.49 | peterS | blackelf: but I smell a rat |
| 00:08.03 | pinky_ | ry1: You mean TPM chips? |
| 00:08.11 | wols | lunitik: no crystal ball needed. PCI_E will last longer than 2 more years. and in two year there can't be a such a radical new thing happen, too much inertia :) |
| 00:08.12 | ry1 | among other things, yes |
| 00:08.15 | lunitik | blackelf: scared... companies still protect intellectual property... its changing slowly, but many companies believe that's what gets them money... |
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| 00:08.37 | pinky_ | ry1: As long as the Operating System is Free/Open Source it doesn't quite matter if you have a TPM chip or not. |
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| 00:08.48 | blackelf | lunitik: isn't intellectuall property a good thing to protect? |
| 00:08.49 | pinky_ | ry1: In other words, if you have a TPM chip, just don't use Windows. |
| 00:08.49 | wols | lunitik: if there are no addon cards, then you must itnegrate which means you can't change videocards. gamers won't like this: they change their cards every year even if the mobo often stays |
| 00:09.02 | pinky_ | ry1: Or Mac OS X, for that matter. |
| 00:09.05 | lunitik | blackelf: Intel and AMD announcements recently prove it _is_ changing... but change takes time |
| 00:09.09 | blackelf | lunitik: if they put $$$ into research, it is obvious they want a big money out of it |
| 00:09.25 | wols | blackelf: it's stupid in case of nvida and ati. they sell me hardware. not their driver. I don't pay for their stinking drivers I pay for the AGP cards |
| 00:09.34 | pinky_ | ry1: All x86 Macs have TPM chips, I would NEVER use them unless I put a Free OS on them. TPM chips + proprietary OS = you don't own your computer. |
| 00:09.36 | peterS | blackelf: there's also the old and lame excuse "we can't open source our firmware, you don't have tools to rebuild it from source anyway." this is bogus, Adaptec and NEC have shipped source code _and_ the assembler, for their SCSI firmware, in the mainstream Linux kernel for at least 7 years |
| 00:09.37 | wols | so anything that makes those cards easier and cheaper and better is a good thing |
| 00:09.49 | blackelf | wols: perhaps they have some very cool speedup tricks implemented in the driver not only in hardware |
| 00:09.56 | wols | and open source drivers make them better since then they work better with linux, and even windows since it's a unified driver |
| 00:10.22 | ry1 | pinky: yes, but imagine having a drm module in every hardware part you buy? if microsoft thought of linux as too much a threat and exerted pressure on big manufacturers, linux might not be usable on new hardware. Do you think TPM chips and other TCPA implamentations might be programmed to disallow linux to be run? |
| 00:10.22 | lunitik | blackelf: intellectual property != money ... products = money ... intellectual property = knowledge ... holding back knowledge insures things evolve slower than needed |
| 00:10.27 | wols | blackelf: they still don't sell drivres. they sell hardware |
| 00:10.35 | blackelf | hmm |
| 00:10.38 | tnks | Valombre: I'm not sure I understand "Oo". |
| 00:10.40 | blackelf | well indeed |
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| 00:11.09 | peterS | yeah if they're relying on the cleverness of their drivers for value add, rather than the speed of their hardware, eventually they'll lose on that strategy |
| 00:11.28 | wols | blackelf: the only thing I believe in this regard: they both have TONS of outright cheats in their drivers. and with open sourced ones those cheats would be public |
| 00:11.30 | pinky_ | ry1: That wouldn't happen. |
| 00:11.42 | wols | like the old infamous QUACK from ati or the nvidia 3dmark cheating |
| 00:11.42 | peterS | it should also be noted that "cleverness of drivers" often really means "hack to beat XXX benchmark" |
| 00:11.44 | blackelf | wols: like slowing down on purpose? |
| 00:11.51 | blackelf | a |
| 00:11.52 | blackelf | ah |
| 00:12.17 | wols | slowing down on purpse too of course to protect their high end parts against the capable lower end ones |
| 00:12.20 | pinky_ | ry1: Look what's happening in the EU right now, Microsoft is getting daily multi-million dollar fines for essentially not opening up MORE than they already are. Microsoft would get backhanded in the EU for pulling a stunt like that, and probably here, too. |
| 00:12.27 | Trek00 | hello :-) I have a problem with openoffice.org on sarge i386. I don't know why (no error messages) but since some day (1-2 weeks) when I run openoffice it starts, then I select File -> New document (or anyother type or loading documents) it hungs. There is a known issue? |
| 00:12.43 | abrotman | Trek00: mayve it's looking for a removed drive ? |
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| 00:12.49 | pinky_ | Now can anyone tell me why I can't run "exportfs"? I have NFS installed... |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | well .. if i could figure out how to make bzflag show fps .. i could tell blackelf .. but oh well |
| 00:13.16 | Trek00 | abrotman: no hardware changes, i removed also the .openoffice directory |
| 00:13.21 | peterS | pinky_: do you have 'nfs-kernel-server' package installed? |
| 00:13.28 | pinky_ | peterS: Yes |
| 00:13.35 | blackelf | abrotman: press the "t" key and wait a second and it shows around middle of screen |
| 00:13.36 | peterS | then what do you mean by "can't run exportfs"? |
| 00:13.47 | Valombre | <tnks> Valombre: I'm not sure I understand "Oo" => expression of astonishment |
| 00:14.10 | ry1 | pinky: maybe not now, but if enough of the public could be pursuaded to agree with such a decision, then it might. It's the same as the EULA delema where in a company could hypothetically state in their lisence agreement "you can not slander our company in any way" most of the public doesn't even read the EULA when it scrolls by. I am just wondering if the same thing may happen in the hardware world 10 years from now, but then, the EU is |
| 00:14.24 | bluefox83 | ok, i know asking knoppix questions is a basic no-no here...but i had problems installing debian and now i need to fix the problem...i'm in knoppix and i have to run apt-get update on my debian system..through knoppix..how do i do that? |
| 00:14.40 | ry1 | bluefox: get GRML :) |
| 00:14.45 | lunitik | bluefox83: chroot debian? |
| 00:14.47 | wols | blackelf: but I DO agree with abrotman that nvidia is a shitty company in regard to Free software. Just look at the history of forcedeth for proof |
| 00:14.50 | pinky_ | peterS: Erg, my bad (it's not my Debian box), he lied and he DIDN'T have it installed. I specifically asked him, too. |
| 00:14.53 | beardy | bluefox83: chroot |
| 00:14.58 | wols | I mean keeping specs for a fsckung NIC secret? |
| 00:14.59 | peterS | bluefox83: mount your debian partitions, then chroot into your debian root filesystem, then do whatever you want |
| 00:15.03 | abrotman | blackelf: eh ok |
| 00:15.07 | wols | a cheap ass stupid fast eth NIC? |
| 00:15.10 | peterS | bluefox83: it may require also doing 'mount /proc' inside the debian chroot, before the rest works |
| 00:15.13 | blackelf | wols: and probably Radeon might open once AMD owns it? |
| 00:15.21 | wols | I doubt it very much |
| 00:15.25 | peterS | wols: yeah really, it's not like those are particularly state of the art anymore |
| 00:15.32 | wols | their lwo end maybe, but not the gamer cards |
| 00:15.42 | pinky_ | ry1: I think that's highly unlikely that clause in the EULA would hold up under the 1st amendment in courts in the US. EULAs != law. |
| 00:16.01 | ry1 | pinky: a lawyer who spoke at defcon 13 might disaggree with you |
| 00:16.09 | peterS | pinky_: if you enter into a contract saying you won't publicly say certain things, that's quite enforceable. it's called an NDA. |
| 00:16.16 | beardy | It is if you have the money. |
| 00:16.28 | peterS | pinky_: NDAs are not a First Amendment issue. |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | blackelf: between 15 and 25 apparently .. no idea about the rest of the settings other than 1024 |
| 00:16.47 | blackelf | abrotman: hmm ok |
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| 00:16.51 | Trek00 | abrotman: thanks anyway, bye bye :-) |
| 00:16.59 | abrotman | blackelf: course .. dunno if it's "good" .. but ti's way playable .. or at least .. they had a good time killing me :) |
| 00:17.01 | wols | peterS: the question is if an EULA is a contract. in most of europe it isn't |
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| 00:17.11 | blackelf | heh |
| 00:17.13 | orchid | hi, I cannot get xorg to start after installing, and subsequently removing an x cursor theme, now I get the error "could not open default cursor font 'cursor'", how can I fix this? |
| 00:17.17 | abrotman | Trek00: maybe ask #openoffice.org |
| 00:17.27 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm good at dieing in that game too :P |
| 00:17.33 | peterS | wols: yes, well, it reads like one, and the terms restricting what you can do with your software are kind of hard to enforce if it isn't one |
| 00:17.36 | pinky_ | peterS: Sure, but a click-through agreement that most people don't even click through (buy machines pre-installed with Windoze) are slightly different than NDAs. |
| 00:17.52 | abrotman | lunitik: might help if i knew how to shoot or jump |
| 00:17.55 | peterS | pinky_: have you bought one of those machines? generally you _do_ have to click through the EULA when you first boot it up |
| 00:18.03 | wols | peterS: nromally copyright is already enough and that automatically applies, EULA or no EULA |
| 00:18.09 | Trek00 | abrotman: I asked here before, because the 16 Jun 2006 update, where the mozilla code was removed for i386, but thanks for the channel name :> |
| 00:18.12 | lunitik | abrotman: mouse buttons... space or enter also |
| 00:18.16 | ry1 | pinky: yes, and when you click, you have effectively signed the contract |
| 00:18.17 | lunitik | abrotman: at least by default |
| 00:18.29 | wols | for example all the reverse engineering BS in eulas: RE is legal in the EU (under certain instances) |
| 00:18.29 | ry1 | when you use the software you have signed the contract |
| 00:18.30 | lunitik | Actually, I think only space for jumping... |
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| 00:18.33 | peterS | wols: copyright doesn't prevent me from using my server with more than 10 simultaneous clients. the NT Workstation EULA does. it has to get its teeth from _somewhere_. |
| 00:18.34 | wols | no way to remove that with an EULA |
| 00:18.38 | pinky_ | peterS: Haha, no I've never bought one, I've always built my own PCs. Regardless, EULAs != NDA, and EULAs != law. |
| 00:18.50 | bluefox83 | ok, here's exactly what's wrong...during the package installation of debian3.1 testing, the package installation stopped because e2fprogs conflicted with everything else...so i am trying to change my sources.list to install unstable in the hopes that it'll go around the issue..unfortunately it's not using the sources.list that i edited for it to use..does anyone know where it's getting this other sources.list? |
| 00:19.03 | bluefox83 | apt-get update |
| 00:19.04 | peterS | pinky_: the EULA you propose would have an NDA in it. I don't see why that term would be any more of a first amendment issue than any other NDA is |
| 00:19.06 | bluefox83 | oops |
| 00:19.07 | wols | peterS: easy. You cannoth use more than 10 clients unless you change the program. which is verboten under copyright and EU law |
| 00:19.07 | abrotman | !e2fsprogsloop |
| 00:19.08 | blackelf | heay gltron is nicelly playable |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 00:19.17 | tansaku | hi all, I'm having some trouble with apt - whenever I try to add an unstable or testing source I get this error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:19.20 | abrotman | blackelf: it is .. and way more fun than bzflag |
| 00:19.22 | wols | change as in hexedit/decompile |
| 00:19.25 | ry1 | beardy: it started with an argument made by me with regard to trusted computing |
| 00:19.31 | lunitik | beardy: I think someone is just trying to extend the discussion |
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| 00:19.38 | peterS | wols: but it's not even necessarily enforced. it's a license term spelled out independently of whether it's enforced by teh software. |
| 00:19.41 | abrotman | !tell bluefox83 about e2fsprogs loop |
| 00:20.15 | wols | peterS: since I already bought the software when I see the EULA, it can't be enforced. especially since I can't return the open package |
| 00:20.16 | pinky_ | peterS: Simply because EULAs have consistently been proven unreliable at best when it comes to defending them in courts. There are notable cases where EULAs have both held up and been rendered meaningless. |
| 00:20.17 | beardy | ry1: Ok. |
| 00:20.18 | wols | for a refund |
| 00:20.24 | blackelf | speaking of |
| 00:20.27 | beardy | Trust No One! |
| 00:20.36 | wols | so no, it cannot be enforced. And I don't see any place where it ever has been court tested either |
| 00:20.41 | blackelf | would you pay (and how much) for a fun but simple 3D game for linux. Open source |
| 00:20.45 | peterS | wols: as may be, I'm just saying why they appear to be contracts |
| 00:20.59 | blackelf | assuming you would dig it |
| 00:21.00 | lunitik | blackelf: sure... if it was nice enough... |
| 00:21.07 | peterS | and why contractual terms such as an NDA would not be any more outrageous than what's already in a lot of EULAs |
| 00:21.13 | wols | appear is the word. since they are worded like one. but unless MS can prove how I agreed to it, it is mute |
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| 00:21.18 | beardy | blackelf: Not if it weren't Free. |
| 00:21.19 | pinky_ | peterS: It really depends. If what you believe were ACTUALLY true (EULAs = the law) then MS could say they get your first born in their EULA for Windoze and you'd have to listen. |
| 00:21.23 | pinky_ | That's bollocks. |
| 00:21.24 | blackelf | lunitik: assuming very nice, but small. Bigger then gltron, but MUCH MUCH slower then like doom |
| 00:21.27 | blackelf | *3 |
| 00:21.32 | wols | especially in countries where there has to be a fair exchange for services or goods for a contract to be legal |
| 00:21.42 | blackelf | beardy: well you would pay only if it is free? isnt that a bit of contradiction |
| 00:21.44 | peterS | pinky_: so you think current EULA terms are more enforceable than putting an NDA into it? how do you figure that? |
| 00:21.46 | wols | e.g. I can't make a contract which says I give you a dollar and then you are my servant for life |
| 00:21.47 | tansaku | I used netselect to try and find the closest mirror, which was mirrors1.kernel.org, but that gives he the same error for each of stable/testing/unstable |
| 00:21.52 | wols | just not legal |
| 00:21.54 | beardy | blackelf: You don't get it. |
| 00:22.14 | pinky_ | peterS: I'm saying that the enforcability of *any* EULA is not 100% and it never will be. |
| 00:22.17 | ry1 | well, generally, if you use the software and they have witness saying they saw you using MS word, that shows agreement to the eula doesn't it? |
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| 00:22.25 | peterS | that's kind of obvious, isn't it? |
| 00:22.32 | wols | no. it shows I bought MS and are using it |
| 00:22.46 | lunitik | beardy: he said open source... in most cases, free and open source are the same thing ;) (some open source licenses certainly aren't free software though...) |
| 00:22.51 | bluefox83 | it's not working :( |
| 00:22.55 | pinky_ | peterS: There's a chance if you blatantly violate MS' EULA to their finiancial detriment, then yes, you could get taken to court and you could lose. |
| 00:22.55 | ry1 | erg... sorry, I was a bit behind on my typing |
| 00:23.18 | wols | pinky_: but they could normally prove it via copyright if they wanted |
| 00:23.30 | pinky_ | peterS: But we should *not* have the mentality that we need to blindly follow whatever they decide to stick in their Windows EULA. |
| 00:23.31 | wols | no need for EULA |
| 00:23.31 | beardy | lunitik: Exactly. |
| 00:23.34 | peterS | ry1: it shows that someone bought MS Word and clicked on the license agreement. occasionally you hear of people who always have their 11-year-old daughter do the clicking part, so that nobody can legally be bound to the contract |
| 00:23.54 | ry1 | never heard of that, but that's smart :) |
| 00:24.00 | peterS | pinky_: I don't have that mentality at all. in case you missed it, I use Debian. I don't feel bound by any Microsoft agreements. |
| 00:24.02 | DocOC | how about this: What if you are employed by a company that has bought a product with a EULA, the admin clicked-through the eula, you never saw it. You don't own the machine. But you do use the software for your employment. Are you subject to the eula, even though you own nothing nor have you even implicitly agreed to anything? |
| 00:24.06 | bluefox83 | i edited the sources.list file..and ran apt-get update and it's still trying to run the testing sources!!! |
| 00:24.11 | pinky_ | peterS: Right, like me, any "I Agree" button I click on means NOTHING because I'm a minor. |
| 00:24.16 | blackelf | peterS: lol |
| 00:24.18 | ry1 | that's one of the major legal arguments going on today |
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| 00:24.22 | wols | peterS: the thing is, it there is a surprise clause in the buy of my copy of MS word, this clause is not enforceable since I wouldn't have known and now expected it when I bought MS word |
| 00:24.35 | pinky_ | peterS: Haha, I know (same here), but I was just speaking in general terms. |
| 00:24.50 | ry1 | wols: usually, most companies reserve the right to change the terms of their eulas without prior notice |
| 00:24.52 | wols | a EULA which I only see AFTER I buy the thing, e.g. the real contract has already been in force, is a surprise clause |
| 00:25.14 | peterS | wols: if they can furnish the license agreement to you on request, when you buy the software, they will claim that the act of buying it was your agreement |
| 00:25.18 | pinky_ | wols: Technically as long as you don't violate their copyright, any clause in the EULA could be argued a surprise clause by a good lawyrer. |
| 00:25.20 | wols | ry1: another surprise clause. it may be legal in US, but certainly not here in .de |
| 00:25.31 | wols | pinky_: and it is. |
| 00:25.43 | ry1 | :) |
| 00:25.46 | lunitik | s/software/hardware/ |
| 00:25.47 | lunitik | doh |
| 00:25.49 | pinky_ | wols: That's why I, and many others, think very lowly of the enforability of EULAs. |
| 00:25.55 | peterS | lunitik: s/operating system/web server software/ and you have Windows NT |
| 00:26.06 | tansaku | bluefox83: I missed the initial description of your problem - how do you know it's still running the testing sources? |
| 00:26.06 | biz | is it possible to restrict the XORG Xinerama extension to just merge the first 2 X screens but not the third one?= |
| 00:26.06 | wols | peterS: no they cannot since no one requests licenses before byung standard software. they might for special multi million dolalr software |
| 00:26.12 | wols | but not for off the shell software from best buy |
| 00:26.26 | lunitik | peterS: ahhh... that can't possibly be enforceable though? |
| 00:26.34 | peterS | wols: by the same argument, no one reads EULAs at all. not reading something doesn't excuse you from being bound by it |
| 00:26.46 | ry1 | tansaku: :) |
| 00:26.47 | lunitik | tansaku: there are probably channels that are specific to support? |
| 00:26.53 | peterS | lunitik: dunno. I'm just glad I never had much occasion to _want_ to run any web servers on Microsoft Windows NT |
| 00:27.07 | ry1 | peter: IIS sucks, so many holes in it |
| 00:27.11 | pinky_ | tansaku: Ohh, I'd *love* the philosphy channel. We should do that. |
| 00:27.15 | tansaku | lunitik: do you know their names ? :-) |
| 00:27.17 | wols | peterS: and you aren't in case of eules. but if you violate copyright you're in deep dodo. to edit your XP server license to allow 20 CAL instead of 10, more dodo, etc |
| 00:27.21 | wols | that's all illegal |
| 00:27.28 | blackelf | cp -R /foo do skil hidden files? how to tell cp to omit all hiden files |
| 00:27.28 | lunitik | tansaku: as chanserv told you when you joined... this is "a channel for debian related discussion, if you have questions, we will try to answer" |
| 00:27.46 | blackelf | skip |
| 00:27.48 | peterS | wols: the concept of a CAL is way beyond copyright, too |
| 00:27.49 | wols | but simply MS static after the buy "you can only use this with 10CAL" is not legal, period |
| 00:27.52 | beardy | tansaku: Just ask. |
| 00:28.04 | wols | I enter a contract with someone when I plunk down my cash for software. not before, not after |
| 00:28.36 | wols | peterS: but not the editing of files. that is under extended copyright law here. and if they print on the shiny box: good for 10CAL only, that's ok |
| 00:28.40 | tansaku | lunitik: sure, I read that, I'm not expecting answers ... I was just trying to discuss bluefox's question and thinking that when more than one conversation is ongoing would be nice to split occasionally - just for clarity :-) |
| 00:28.46 | wols | but if it's only in the eula and nowhere else: tough luck |
| 00:28.51 | peterS | wols: what is interesting about that is that your money exchange isn't with Microsoft, it's with Foo Computer Store |
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| 00:29.11 | tansaku | beardy: I'm having some trouble with apt - whenever I try to add an unstable or testing source I get this error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:29.17 | lunitik | tansaku: IRC clients highlight messages directed at you... should be able to follow just fine :/ |
| 00:29.27 | wols | peterS: you're right there |
| 00:29.47 | peterS | wols: if buying a box of software is _really_ just a grant of license, Foo Computer Store must be personally sublicensing it to you |
| 00:30.03 | tansaku | lunitik: hmm, my irc client doesn't highlight the individual messages, just the channel - maybe I need a new client (or need to learn the config ...) |
| 00:30.09 | beardy | tansaku: ..and with Just ask, we mean, ask your question, to the channel, not a specific person, you can "/msg dpkg ask" for more advice on how to ask. |
| 00:30.14 | bluefox83 | damnit..how do i edit the sources.list on my debian installation if there's no editor installed on it? |
| 00:30.15 | abrotman | oddly they won't refund you if you break the seal |
| 00:30.19 | lunitik | tansaku: I'm using ftp://ftp.us.debian.org and see no issues |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | nano |
| 00:30.22 | wols | peterS: no. foo store bought a license and resells the license to me |
| 00:30.26 | wols | no sublicense |
| 00:30.34 | lunitik | tansaku: what client you use? |
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| 00:30.47 | wols | bluefox83: there is an editor. there always is. vi for example |
| 00:30.51 | tansaku | beardy: indeed - I didn't mean to single you out - just that you asked then ... well never mind |
| 00:30.56 | bluefox83 | wols, says there is no vi |
| 00:30.59 | tansaku | bluefox83: I missed the initial description of your problem - how do you know it's still running the testing sources? |
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| 00:31.07 | wols | bluefox83: knoppix? |
| 00:31.08 | tansaku | lunitik: I use MIRC |
| 00:31.20 | beardy | tansaku: Ok, no problem. |
| 00:31.23 | lunitik | bluefox83: nano, ed, nvi etc are installed by default |
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| 00:31.28 | lunitik | tansaku: meh |
| 00:31.32 | lunitik | tansaku: mIRC sucks |
| 00:31.49 | bluefox83 | wols, knoppix has vim, but it can't edit it for some reason... |
| 00:31.50 | wols | lunitik: name software that doesn't :) |
| 00:31.59 | tansaku | lunitik: yeah ftp://ftp.us.debian.org works fine for me on stable, but I get this weird error when I switch to testing/unstable |
| 00:32.01 | lunitik | tansaku: XChat runs on Windows... Konversation is the best GUI IRC client around imo |
| 00:32.16 | lunitik | tansaku: I'm running Sid... and don't see that issue |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | tansaku: about gpg ? |
| 00:32.26 | beardy | ry1: Better tell us before you get 500 version requests :) |
| 00:32.26 | tansaku | lunitik: thanks for the suggestions - I'll look to switch |
| 00:32.34 | bluefox83 | i think i need to get knoppix to mount it read-write |
| 00:32.35 | ry1 | BOFHnet irc |
| 00:32.38 | ry1 | :) |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | it displays stupid messages :) |
| 00:32.44 | tansaku | lunitiki: Sid is a chat client? |
| 00:32.53 | tansaku | abrotman; sorry not sure what gpg is ... |
| 00:32.55 | lunitik | tansaku: what? |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | tansaku: wtf is the error / |
| 00:33.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:33.12 | lunitik | tansaku: sid is unstable |
| 00:33.16 | ry1 | beardy: it's a nice little text based IRC client that interfaces with the windows API and therefore right to my screen reader |
| 00:33.36 | tansaku | abrotman: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors1.kernel.org |
| 00:33.36 | tansaku | stable/main Packages |
| 00:33.36 | tansaku | (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors1.kernel.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 00:33.36 | tansaku | - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 00:33.46 | lunitik | tansaku: imo, its a message from god... telling you to rethink installing Sid |
| 00:33.51 | lunitik | damnit |
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| 00:33.59 | tansaku | sorry |
| 00:34.01 | blackelf | * fu-fme |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | wtf is mirrors1.kernel.org ? |
| 00:34.03 | lunitik | tansaku: imo, its a message from god... telling you to rethink installing Sid |
| 00:34.05 | tansaku | thought that was one line |
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| 00:34.27 | wols | tansaku: use another debian mirror.a good one this time |
| 00:34.27 | beardy | ry1: Ah, nope, I've never heard of it before. |
| 00:34.33 | peterS | abrotman: a popular debian mirror because they have like infinite bandwidth |
| 00:34.37 | lunitik | tansaku: get a real IRC client... konversation tells me when I'm about to flood ... lets me edit to ensure I don't :D |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | peterS: isn't that mirrors.kernel.org ? |
| 00:34.46 | bluefox83 | how do i get nano to write to the file once i've made the changes? |
| 00:34.57 | peterS | abrotman: mirrors.kernel.org points to 2 machines, mirrors1 is one of 'em |
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| 00:35.04 | abrotman | ah |
| 00:35.09 | beardy | ry1: Are you going to stick with it or try to get something that works fine under Debian, sometime later, or so? |
| 00:35.20 | lunitik | abrotman: yes... and f.u.d.o is fine here... no idea whats wrong with his machine |
| 00:35.25 | tansaku | wols; I tried - I used netselect to get mirrors1.kernel.org, but that failed with the same error for all of stable/testing/unstable |
| 00:35.34 | ry1 | beardy: irssi for sure, I just need to find a better software synth than festival |
| 00:35.37 | ry1 | :) |
| 00:35.40 | beardy | ry1: But I guess the screenreaders needs some improvement? |
| 00:35.48 | ry1 | beardy: hell yes :) |
| 00:36.12 | wols | ry1: how well does putty work with a screenreader? |
| 00:36.14 | beardy | ry1: I've read that some people use emacs and emacspeak, or what it's called, and erc? |
| 00:36.25 | ry1 | beardy: with the windows irc client I am using right now, all typing is read out to me. in debian I have to press reading keys to get the same info |
| 00:36.40 | beardy | ry1: But you have to like and use emacs for almost everything then.. |
| 00:36.42 | ry1 | beardy: never tried that... I still need a good software speech app though |
| 00:37.03 | wols | ry1: what do you use in windows? natural voices? |
| 00:37.07 | ry1 | wols: putty is okay for commands, but not for config file editing |
| 00:37.13 | beardy | ry1: Yeah, that emacspeak is a synthesizer, I think.. |
| 00:37.14 | ry1 | wols: jaws |
| 00:37.23 | wols | ry1: jaws? never heard of that one |
| 00:37.28 | tansaku | bluefox; you need ctrl-o to write changes in nano |
| 00:37.33 | ry1 | beardy: I think it is based off of speech dispatcher |
| 00:37.42 | ry1 | wols: freedomscientific.com |
| 00:37.48 | DocOC | ry1: yeah, actually, I've heard alot of blind *nux users use emacs for everything because emacspeak has been around forever. |
| 00:38.01 | beardy | ry1: Yeah, perhaps. |
| 00:38.12 | beardy | ry1: I don't know that much about it. |
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| 00:38.40 | ry1 | doc: true, but unfortunately the best linux based software speech is... what do ya know... closed source |
| 00:38.45 | ry1 | and for sale |
| 00:39.04 | wols | ry1: is JAWS as good as natural voices (does it have good voices)? |
| 00:39.10 | beardy | bring out the reverse engineers! |
| 00:39.10 | Marupa | hi, I'm looking for a Text to speech application that doesn't hog the sound card, yet also can be configured to play only on a single channel of my sound card. |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | festival |
| 00:39.24 | ry1 | wols: I've never heard of natural voices |
| 00:39.25 | ry1 | nooo |
| 00:39.27 | wols | Marupa: dmix? |
| 00:39.27 | ry1 | festival sucks |
| 00:39.29 | ry1 | :) |
| 00:39.37 | ry1 | it tends to spell everything |
| 00:39.42 | wols | Marupa: for a software mixer to have many channels |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | it may .. but i don't know of anyhting else besides festival |
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| 00:40.07 | beardy | Some words you have to speel in a funny way to be pronounced good with festival |
| 00:40.08 | wols | ry1: natural voices has the most, well natural voices. doesn't sound like a computer so much. |
| 00:40.09 | Marupa | I just barely got 'speak' but it sucks. |
| 00:40.13 | beardy | spell.. |
| 00:40.28 | ry1 | marupa: if you really need tts, use an hw synth |
| 00:40.31 | tansaku | does anyhow know what this "Couldn't stat source" error message means? |
| 00:40.35 | Marupa | I don't have money to. |
| 00:40.48 | wols | it means it couldn't acces the file since it didn't exist |
| 00:40.57 | lunitik | ry1: out of curiosity, why do you need tts? |
| 00:40.58 | beardy | ry1: Do you have a hw synth? |
| 00:41.09 | abrotman | tansaku: use a different mirror |
| 00:41.21 | ry1 | beardy: yes, on loan, and generally for my laptop |
| 00:41.27 | ry1 | lunitik: I am totally blind |
| 00:41.40 | lunitik | ahh |
| 00:41.52 | ry1 | marupa: most soundcards are like winmodems in the way that they emulate extra channels under windows thus making them mostly useless under nix |
| 00:41.58 | wols | ry1: what I don't get is how you can follow #debian with speech only |
| 00:41.59 | beardy | ry1: Can it be used with linux? How is it connected? |
| 00:42.00 | wols | braille? |
| 00:42.31 | ry1 | beardy: serial port, but it's so much of a pain to constantly disconnect and unplug it every morning to take it to work |
| 00:42.43 | ry1 | and then plug it back to the desktop when I get home |
| 00:42.52 | beardy | Yeah, ry1, do you have it read at a very high speed? SOmetimes it scrolls like hell here, I'm also impressed by your speed. |
| 00:42.53 | bluefox83 | is it possible to go from stable straight to unstable? |
| 00:43.00 | wols | bluefox83: yes |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | try it .. let us know |
| 00:43.09 | ry1 | beardy: 300 wpm roughly |
| 00:43.29 | ry1 | and in windows I can type while still listening to what you say, so it makes it faster |
| 00:43.32 | bluefox83 | wols, will simply changing my stable sources to unstable and doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade work? |
| 00:43.39 | ry1 | linux can't do that as of yet |
| 00:43.40 | wols | yes |
| 00:43.49 | beardy | ry1: Would be interesting to hear a recording sometime. |
| 00:43.54 | Marupa | mostly, I just need the tts app to play on while I'm playing something else. |
| 00:44.15 | bluefox83 | ryl, yes you can..it's just a serious biatch to set up |
| 00:44.20 | Marupa | trying to do computer-voiceovers for a shoutcast stream. |
| 00:44.21 | ry1 | marupa: I'd give it up, I don't believe alsa can emulate extra chans yet |
| 00:44.23 | lunitik | ry1: does it read everything... or just what is directed at you? seems it'd be rather confusing |
| 00:44.41 | Marupa | doesn't have to do extra channels, I just realized. |
| 00:44.47 | ry1 | lunitik: it reads everything |
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| 00:44.53 | beardy | ry1: But right now, I don't have the bandwidth to download one, but some other time, perhaps, heh. |
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| 00:45.11 | ry1 | beardy: fine by me, I don't have any hdd space :) |
| 00:45.15 | Marupa | so are there any decent-sounding alsa-using tts apps? |
| 00:45.17 | ry1 | ooo, kernel's done |
| 00:45.23 | bluefox83 | ry1, google narval |
| 00:45.34 | ry1 | fox: thanks |
| 00:45.37 | beardy | ry1: :) |
| 00:45.51 | ry1 | beardy: it takes 3 fricking hours per compile |
| 00:46.02 | tansaku | so I just tried debian.crosslink.net, ftp.egr.msu.edu, and ftp-mirror.internap.com and they all fail in the same way.and I get the same error for each - at what point should I stop trying random mirrors and start looking for another cause of this problem? |
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| 00:46.06 | bluefox83 | oh crap the package login is broken :X |
| 00:46.07 | beardy | ry1: Yikes.. |
| 00:46.17 | ry1 | marupa: festival is your best bet though I warn you it sucks worse than narrator |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | wanna trade machines ? |
| 00:46.30 | Gokee2 | Wow, I have a hard time keeping up with debian reading... Unless I am doing nothing else |
| 00:46.50 | ry1 | gokee: seems you could use my screen reader :) |
| 00:46.53 | tansaku | bluefox83: i think you can go from stable to unstable - the problem will be trying to get back to stable afterwards |
| 00:46.59 | beardy | ry1: Well, how much do you compile, everything? |
| 00:46.59 | ry1 | it reads #debian even when I'm not in the window |
| 00:47.09 | ry1 | beardy: yepers |
| 00:47.33 | ry1 | but then, if I felt like setting up distcc I wouldn't be having this problem |
| 00:47.34 | beardy | RinzeWind: I don't remember how long it took last time I compiled.. 2.4 though, but it wasn't more than 5-10 minutes IIRC, the kernel-image, that is. |
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| 00:47.44 | ry1 | beardy: p3 600 mhz |
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| 00:48.06 | jonkri | my xgl program says "could not open default font 'fixed'". what's missing? all output is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/M2vkva72.html please help :) |
| 00:48.07 | beardy | ry1: This was on a AMD AthlonXP 1600+ |
| 00:48.07 | Gokee2 | ry1, heh, do you use a keyboard/mouse to controll the computer or have some type of voice recognition? |
| 00:48.20 | Marupa | well, alsa or oss. |
| 00:48.21 | ry1 | beardy ah |
| 00:48.22 | tansaku | as it happens I'm trying to take a single package in my stable system and move it over to one that is only available in unstable, without changing the rest of the system .. |
| 00:48.32 | lunitik | jonkri: what don't you understand... Debian does _not_ support Xgl |
| 00:48.39 | maelvino | no |
| 00:48.39 | ry1 | gokee: I use the keyboard exclusively |
| 00:48.43 | jonkri | i have already got it running |
| 00:48.47 | jonkri | i just need to fix this error |
| 00:49.01 | lunitik | jonkri: good luck |
| 00:49.17 | jonkri | lunitik, it worked with my previous installation with my previous hardware |
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| 00:49.33 | jonkri | anyway, anyone knows the solution to my font problem? |
| 00:49.37 | bluefox83 | is there any reason why the package "login" would have an issue with being installed and configured via knoppix? |
| 00:49.37 | parph | Hello |
| 00:49.52 | Gokee2 | ry1, Ah I see, I have been trying to find some program on linux that can do voice commands. so far I have been trying out sphinx but it does not seem to understand me very well |
| 00:49.53 | parph | does anyone know how to use the imap server called "Monit"? |
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| 00:49.57 | parph | i'm having trouble with it |
| 00:50.09 | ry1 | beardy: so, what do you think, should I fork over the 100 euros I believe to get dectalk software speech for linux? it's closed source and non upgradable, but it's the best speech around for the platform |
| 00:50.10 | ry1 | :) |
| 00:50.21 | tansaku | lunitik: thanks for the xchat suggestion |
| 00:50.44 | parph | my imap server is downloading pop3 messages, and I can edit and delete these messages, but it won't download any more after the initial boot-up of the server |
| 00:50.57 | parph | anyone got any idea |
| 00:51.14 | ry1 | lunitik: I had the reader spell your nic first so I wouldn't embaras myself |
| 00:51.30 | lunitik | ry1: ohh, you cheated :P |
| 00:51.46 | ry1 | lunitik: yes, I might have spelled your nic lunitic from hearing it |
| 00:51.57 | beardy | ry1: You can't get it paid by (where were you from?) the community/state/something? |
| 00:52.01 | ry1 | or lunatic |
| 00:52.13 | ry1 | beardy: nope, they only support winblows software and stuff |
| 00:52.34 | ry1 | the montreal association for the blind hasn't even heard of linux let alone it's accessibility |
| 00:52.44 | beardy | ry1: That is bad.. Not even if you ask them to consider this, and explain it and so on? |
| 00:53.20 | ry1 | beardy: well, since all the moneys granted to computer equipment for the blind go through the quebec government, I wouldn't have a chance, you know how governments work :) |
| 00:53.45 | beardy | ry1: Ok.. Well, I think you should get it if you can afford it, you need it, if/when Free alternatives have become good enough or better, you could switch to that if you wanted to. |
| 00:53.53 | beardy | ry1: yeah.. |
| 00:54.12 | ry1 | beardy: was thinking the same thing... thank god for summer jobs :) |
| 00:54.12 | lunitik | ry1: what desktop environment do you find best with accessibility ... again purely out of curiosity? |
| 00:54.16 | ry1 | lunitik: gnome |
| 00:54.30 | ry1 | gnopernicus |
| 00:54.42 | ry1 | but even that is worse than speakup right now anyway |
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| 00:55.20 | tansaku | so I found a reference to the error I'm getting here: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/pkgadm.htm where it suggests I run apt-get update after each change to the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 00:55.55 | Gokee2 | GUIs probibly don`t look as nice if you are blind... :/ |
| 00:56.16 | ry1 | gokee: they definitely don't, and they are harder to use than command line |
| 00:56.22 | lunitik | ry1: haha... I'd imagine navigation is rather complicated |
| 00:56.39 | beardy | ry1: And when you buy it, hopefully you'll get some support for it (but most likely it's for $commersial_crapdist only..) |
| 00:56.40 | ry1 | lunitik: I got used to it :) |
| 00:56.44 | Gokee2 | without a moniter I am lost. |
| 00:57.09 | ry1 | beardy: correct, but it's just runtime libraries, it would interface with speakup through speech dispatcher |
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| 00:57.24 | ry1 | bluefox: what did you give me here, what is narval supposed to do? |
| 00:57.27 | beardy | ry1: Ok |
| 00:57.53 | Gokee2 | GTASA is taking forever to install. |
| 00:59.02 | Gokee2 | windows is also outputing odd noices to the speakers from time to time |
| 00:59.15 | jonkri | woohoo |
| 00:59.26 | jonkri | direct rendering works when i install using the nvidia installation binary :) |
| 00:59.29 | Gokee2 | noises* |
| 00:59.36 | jonkri | the debian way nvidia installation couldn't do it... |
| 00:59.45 | Gokee2 | hmm |
| 01:00.11 | bluefox83 | i can't get the login package to let me install it or take it out..this is aggrivating.. |
| 01:00.18 | beardy | ry1: How long have you been using computers? |
| 01:00.45 | ry1 | beardy: my first comp was an old apple 2 in kindergarden |
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| 01:03.08 | Gokee2 | I can`t seem to install nvidia. When I do the command "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy" It says "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-legacy" if I do a apt-cache search I only find nvidia-kernel-legacy-(some-numbers) should I install something like "nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.15-1-486" instead of nvidia-kernel-legacy? |
| 01:03.15 | beardy | ry1: cool :) When was that, which year? |
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| 01:03.21 | lunitik | ry1: you're the first person I've heard using Linux while blind... sorry for the questions... it's cool to see you're able to use Linux though, I always look past accessibility things... hopefully the open source accessibility features will get better so you needn't use closed source things though :D |
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| 01:03.58 | lunitik | ry1: also... did you try ksayit and kttsd ? how do they compare to gnopernicus ? |
| 01:04.35 | ry1 | well that's just peechy. I go through all this work to find out that alsaconf can't find my alegra and lunitik: KDE's developement is far behind gnopernicus as of now |
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| 01:05.00 | abrotman | ha! |
| 01:05.03 | abrotman | more proof |
| 01:05.22 | lunitik | ry1: ahh... yuck |
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| 01:05.32 | peterS | ry1: your sound card is some form of allegro? those should have been supported long ago |
| 01:05.33 | beardy | of what, the alsa-must-be-as-modules-for-no-proven-reason? |
| 01:05.42 | ry1 | lunitik: yep :) time to set up distcc now :) |
| 01:06.04 | blackelf | ry1: try out my new build system one day \o/ |
| 01:06.06 | codynotes | How in the world can can I figure out why my box isn't getting an IP address? I do 'ifconfig eth0' and there is no 'inet' address listed, but there *is* an 'inet6' address listed. The box has a static IP, and there are no other machines on the network with the same IP |
| 01:06.10 | ry1 | peter: it is an alegro/mistro3 |
| 01:06.13 | blackelf | it will be much faster then others |
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| 01:06.23 | abrotman | than |
| 01:06.24 | ry1 | blackelf: where do I get it |
| 01:06.25 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:06.35 | blackelf | ry1: I hope to release in 1-2 months |
| 01:06.38 | peterS | ry1: the 'snd-maestro3' module really ought to support that |
| 01:06.39 | lunitik | abrotman: legitimate curiosity ... for future reference ... neither of us need such things ... I thought at-spi was better anyways, just asking something that would have used both. |
| 01:07.02 | lunitik | umm... someone* |
| 01:07.02 | blackelf | abrotman: than gnu make or scons. it will use various linux-g++ hacks to make rebuilding much faster |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | need them now .. never know |
| 01:07.05 | peterS | note that is spelled snd-m a e s t r o 3 |
| 01:07.06 | blackelf | like x3 faster |
| 01:07.17 | ry1 | peter: I compiled snd3-mistro right into the kernel, guess abrotman was right and sound card stuff must be modules |
| 01:07.28 | beardy | eh.. |
| 01:07.42 | peterS | ry1: oh, possibly. yeah, alsa always liked being modular, I didn't know that was _still_ a problem |
| 01:07.50 | ry1 | well, it's wierd |
| 01:07.59 | ry1 | alsaconf won't work, but I can still play mp3s |
| 01:08.02 | ry1 | through alsa |
| 01:08.07 | beardy | haha |
| 01:08.09 | peterS | then screw alsaconf (: |
| 01:08.22 | ry1 | yeah, I just have to figure out how to turn up the volume just a bit :) |
| 01:08.25 | Trek00 | abrotman: thank you pointing me to openoffice.org, it was the cups system, i disabled it as written in the README.Debian :> |
| 01:08.28 | beardy | ry1: Then it's working, somehow? :) |
| 01:08.45 | ry1 | beardy: yes, somehow |
| 01:08.54 | beardy | Does aumix handle alsa? |
| 01:09.04 | peterS | blackelf: I didn't mean _you_. I so didn't need to see that. |
| 01:09.10 | beardy | ry1: alsamixer, I think, otherwise |
| 01:09.17 | ry1 | alsamixer won't work either |
| 01:09.22 | ry1 | hmmm |
| 01:09.41 | beardy | ry1: Are you sure you haven't some OSS things working? |
| 01:09.57 | ry1 | beardy: unless they came in at user level, yes |
| 01:10.07 | ry1 | beardy: there is no os support in this kerne |
| 01:10.07 | beardy | ry1: hmm.. |
| 01:10.13 | ry1 | kernel* |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | Trek00: cups did that ? |
| 01:10.30 | blackelf | speaking of... would you pay for a make system that indeed speeds up development speed (waiting for rebuild) by 50-100%, giving total speddup of like 5-10% assuming it would be open source? and what if it would be free (so no need to buy) |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | duh .. you only have to build once if your code has no errors |
| 01:10.53 | beardy | !free |
| 01:10.54 | dpkg | free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 01:11.07 | blackelf | abrotman: no, you have to build about 100 times daily. I ment for developers |
| 01:11.08 | Trek00 | abrotman: i don't have any printer but disabling cups in /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf as written in the debian readme all run fine! |
| 01:11.13 | ry1 | blackelf: I would get alot more speed through my cluster |
| 01:11.15 | abrotman | blackelf: not if they do it righ! |
| 01:11.24 | abrotman | right |
| 01:11.31 | ry1 | if I ever got around to putting distcc on it |
| 01:11.35 | Trek00 | abrotman: strace helped to find where it hungs |
| 01:11.35 | abrotman | Trek00: okeedokee .. |
| 01:11.37 | blackelf | abrotman: what, you just write all 100,000 lines of code, save it, then compile first and last time? |
| 01:11.46 | abrotman | blackelf: don't you ? |
| 01:11.48 | blackelf | ry1: no, it will be faster |
| 01:12.07 | blackelf | abrotman: yes, they write fire fox 1.5.0 that way. wrote 10 milion lines, then saved and compiled. |
| 01:12.08 | ry1 | black: I would have to experience it to believe it no offense |
| 01:12.13 | lunitik | blackelf: no one is against paying for software, developers have living expenses too... its just... we want freedom to do with that software what we want... not what we're allowed to do... this is what is meant by free... |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:12.25 | blackelf | ry1: cluster is useless (distcc) when only one file changed |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | who said i dont save |
| 01:12.33 | abrotman | i just compile after 100000 lines :) |
| 01:12.37 | ry1 | beardy: I think my mp3 is actually being played on the pc speaker |
| 01:12.56 | beardy | ry1: What program? I doubt that.. |
| 01:13.03 | ry1 | mpg321 |
| 01:13.06 | ry1 | it sounds tinny enough |
| 01:13.16 | blackelf | lunitik: what about license that orders to pay if you want to use this program, but no other stupid restrctions? |
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| 01:13.27 | beardy | ry1: heh, I don't know if it supports that, check the manual? |
| 01:13.40 | Reliss | Does anyone know what login gui I should use with fluxbox?? |
| 01:14.07 | lunitik | blackelf: define "pay to use" ... pay each time? everyone I give the software to has to pay? then its not free |
| 01:14.10 | beardy | Reliss: xdm or any other display manager |
| 01:14.33 | Reliss | beardy: Like an equivilent to kdm for flux; im new to fluxbox |
| 01:14.42 | Trek00 | c-ya bye bye salut ciao cippa lippa :D |
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| 01:14.49 | beardy | Reliss: stick with kdm then |
| 01:14.57 | blackelf | lunitik: so what license is good AND still enshuring I will actually get money |
| 01:14.58 | lunitik | blackelf: that is such a difference between "Open Source" and "Free Software" though. |
| 01:15.00 | beardy | Reliss: Just select fluxbox in it's menu |
| 01:15.36 | blackelf | but if I say it is free to use with no charege.. who will pay? how to get the $ |
| 01:15.43 | ry1 | ask for donations |
| 01:16.01 | blackelf | is't that like beeging...? and do it actually work |
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| 01:16.28 | abrotman | if it's good .. people might just donate |
| 01:16.28 | bush | if youre that concerned about making money off software, dont give it away |
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| 01:16.44 | beardy | and don't ask for hints here |
| 01:16.49 | bush | i think if you're giving away software, you should expect to get nothing, even if you say "donate if you can" |
| 01:16.55 | Thanatermesis | stew, little question, hal/ivman don't manage the floppy's, yes ? |
| 01:16.57 | ry1 | smae here |
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| 01:20.13 | blackelf | well.. what about when I make software for living |
| 01:21.45 | ry1 | blackelf: work for a company |
| 01:22.03 | simonrvn | run your own company... |
| 01:22.14 | ry1 | blackelf: it is highly unlikely you will be able to make a good living off releasing open source software |
| 01:22.20 | DocOC | blackelf: most people who make money off OSS do it by providing support to corporate customers. Even if the software is free, corporations want the security of having a support contract. |
| 01:22.21 | ry1 | most people do that for fun |
| 01:22.25 | simonrvn | working for someone else == wage slavery |
| 01:23.17 | peterS | now now. working for someone else without pay == slavery. working for someone else with pay != slavery. |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | some of us don't mind bondage |
| 01:23.25 | freebse | DocOC: some like Linspire or whatever they are called, even charge you for renamed free programs |
| 01:23.30 | peterS | equating the two denigrates the former |
| 01:23.30 | quitte | how can i give more than one outputfile to dd? |
| 01:23.40 | peterS | quitte: dd | tee |
| 01:24.18 | quitte | peterS: ok. how do i set of= to stdout? |
| 01:24.22 | peterS | quitte: just omit it |
| 01:24.27 | quitte | thanks |
| 01:24.39 | DocOC | freebse: like vpopmail. They have a very viable business providing a service that many corporations want, and charge reasonable rates for support. |
| 01:24.40 | peterS | quitte: 'dd < foo | tee bar baz' = exactly equal to 'tee < foo bar baz' |
| 01:24.48 | blackelf | so I can not run a serious comapny and live from opensource? or free soft |
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| 01:24.59 | beardy | blackelf: Make it worth buying, package it nicely, have good printed documentation, people will pay for that. |
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| 01:26.01 | peterS | quitte: so if you omit if=, of= and all other dd parameters, it looks exactly like cat. |
| 01:26.03 | freebse | DocOC: it is something complete different to charge for support... but renaming programs and sell them is another thing |
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| 01:26.07 | peterS | well, cat from stdin |
| 01:26.15 | cyzie | ....................... |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | do you need something? |
| 01:26.56 | peterS | hmmm, speaking of which, it seems my apartment is full of cat3. not the phone wire, particularly, I just happen to have 3 cats on the premises |
| 01:27.14 | ry1 | nice, I only have a guide dog :) |
| 01:27.44 | peterS | one of the three, I'm quite willing to give away, he's a stray who happened to wander in one day |
| 01:28.11 | ry1 | that happens some times |
| 01:28.21 | azeem | dpkg: mach64 dri is (on unstable) apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri git-core module-assistant; sudo m-a prepare; git-clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm; cd drm/linux-core; make DRM_MODULES="mach64"; sudo cp /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/drm.ko{,.orig}; sudo cp *.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/; sudo depmod -a; sudo modprobe mach64 |
| 01:28.21 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 01:28.23 | peterS | the other two, I'm keeping |
| 01:28.44 | beardy | What if he doesn't want to move? He must like it where he is now, if he stayed. |
| 01:29.00 | abrotman | azeem: is that all? |
| 01:29.03 | ry1 | azeem: wow, you can tell dpkg linux commands and he'll perform them? nifty |
| 01:29.03 | peterS | azeem: nice, mach64 are now supported? |
| 01:29.24 | azeem | peterS: well, at least I get direct Rendering: yes out of it |
| 01:29.46 | peterS | azeem: it's cool that people are still working on this stuff for really old chips |
| 01:29.50 | azeem | I haven't tested it much for now, but at least glxgears looks smoother than without |
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| 01:30.06 | DocOC | peterS: if you live anywhere near NY, maybe I'll take you up on that. I lost my cat about 2 months ago. |
| 01:30.13 | peterS | beardy: he's so friendly he'd be happy to stay with anyone, I think |
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| 01:30.24 | azeem | peterS: AFAIK there are (security?) issues with mach64, that's why it is not built by the kernel by default |
| 01:30.29 | peterS | DocOC: yeah well, Kansas is 1500 miles away from NY, so.. |
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| 01:30.34 | beardy | ry1: Not really, he created a factoid called mach64 dri "/msg dpkg mach64 dri" to check it. |
| 01:31.33 | peterS | DocOC: but here he is, http://p12n.org/i/cal.jpg. probably 6 to 8 months old. |
| 01:31.34 | ry1 | wow, it really ircs me that the sarge installer comes with desktop environment selected by default, I almosted ended up with a gui... shudder |
| 01:31.58 | azeem | ry1: a lot of people had problems selecting the desktop task |
| 01:31.59 | beardy | ry1: It does? |
| 01:31.59 | terminal|giga | lol |
| 01:32.05 | azeem | so they switched the default |
| 01:32.12 | beardy | horrible.. |
| 01:32.26 | DocOC | azeem: do you know anyone who runs the mach64 dri? I have it, and the gl apps have weird tearing and artifacts. |
| 01:32.27 | beardy | Outrageous! |
| 01:32.30 | ry1 | azeem: I hate the new default, all I need is to be stuck with gnome :) |
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| 01:32.54 | ry1 | is there anything else selected by default I should know about :) |
| 01:32.54 | azeem | DocOC: yeah, I noticed some minor graphic glitches |
| 01:33.13 | azeem | DocOC: hey, can you try to apt-get install pymol and tell me whether it says it uses direct rendering for you? |
| 01:33.14 | DocOC | azeem: my graphics glitches are more than minor. |
| 01:33.24 | azeem | because it didn't for me for some reason |
| 01:33.34 | beardy | I fart in that defaults general direction.. |
| 01:33.52 | DocOC | azeem: sure I'll check it out. azeem, you want to make a screenshot for me of you running a gl app, so I can compare? |
| 01:33.58 | azeem | beardy: uhm, surely people who don't need a desktop environment are able to deselect that? |
| 01:34.04 | ry1 | beardy: :) speakup doesn't even tell me whether it is selected or not |
| 01:34.19 | ry1 | the reader doesn't like ncurses apps much |
| 01:34.29 | beardy | azeem: uhm, surely people who need a desktop environment are able to select that? |
| 01:34.40 | azeem | beardy: nope |
| 01:34.40 | beardy | Well then learn! |
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| 01:34.58 | ry1 | if they can't select a desktop environment, are they capable of using a comp? :) |
| 01:35.00 | deado | hello |
| 01:35.02 | azeem | because that ncurses stuff is bloody unintuitive in this regard |
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| 01:35.29 | peterS | azeem: just needs libgpm integration. though as the gpm maintainer I don't know that I'm prepared to deal with being part of d-i in any case |
| 01:35.39 | beardy | azeem: expert/expert26 does that too? |
| 01:35.40 | azeem | ry1: the point is you need to select with the space bar, just selecting the task with the cursor keys and hitting enter will exit tasksel without that task selected |
| 01:35.57 | azeem | which is ugh |
| 01:36.08 | azeem | joeyh said that issue doesn't exist in the graphical instaler |
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| 01:36.32 | ry1 | azeem: problem is that speakup doesn't tell me what is selected and what is not, I can't even see the * next to a supposedly selected item |
| 01:36.35 | azeem | DocOC: if you tell me which 3D apps have major graphical glitches, I can test those |
| 01:36.46 | azeem | ry1: so file a bug |
| 01:36.56 | ry1 | true dat |
| 01:37.08 | DocOC | azeem: well tuxracer, gltron, quake2, pretty much everything other than glgears. |
| 01:37.22 | azeem | ry1: is there a special release notes for speakup? |
| 01:37.27 | azeem | DocOC: ok |
| 01:37.31 | ry1 | azeem: yes, but not for that |
| 01:37.34 | azeem | going to bed now, will try to check those later |
| 01:37.39 | ry1 | speakup is only maintained by one guy |
| 01:37.45 | azeem | DocOC: I only tried ghemical and pymol so far (those are apps, not games) |
| 01:37.58 | azeem | ghemical had minor glitches, pymol just refused to use direct renderting |
| 01:38.12 | deado | im having troubles compiling a new kernel on my debian system.. but every time i go and reboot to see if it works, i get the "NULL pointers derefence" error... any suggestions? |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | blackelf: btw .. looking at glxgears (which is NOT a benchmark) it is about half the speed as it was with xfree |
| 01:38.31 | DocOC | azeem: freeglut (pymol): Unable to create direct context rendering for window 'PyMOL Viewer' |
| 01:38.39 | azeem | DocOC: ok, thanks :-/ |
| 01:38.46 | ry1 | deado: wow, that's probably the only error I didn't get during my multiple kernel recompiles :) |
| 01:38.54 | deado | :/ |
| 01:39.15 | azeem | deado: get more context, is that an oops? |
| 01:39.51 | deado | im... not entirely sure |
| 01:39.55 | deado | i dont rememebr |
| 01:40.05 | deado | was either oops or bug |
| 01:40.08 | deado | i've had them both |
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| 01:40.35 | azeem | deado: try to figure out which module oopses |
| 01:40.48 | deado | hmm ok |
| 01:41.08 | deado | let me bring a different client in here.. and ill just restart and let it come up on the screen |
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| 01:42.59 | deado_ | ok.. i see |
| 01:43.14 | deado_ | "Oops: 0002 [#1] |
| 01:43.16 | deado_ | " |
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| 01:44.02 | deado_ | almost looks like "airo_init_module".. |
| 01:44.10 | deado_ | maybe sound about right? |
| 01:44.39 | simonrvn | that's a function name |
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| 01:44.58 | simonrvn | the actual module will be the one with that function |
| 01:45.00 | azeem | w6 |
| 01:45.14 | azeem | probabyl airo |
| 01:45.36 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:45.51 | azeem | deado_: take that module out of the kernel and try again? |
| 01:45.54 | azeem | s/?// |
| 01:46.00 | azeem | anyway, I'm off to sleep |
| 01:46.02 | deado_ | there is a lot of "arcnet" stuff on the screen right befor the error |
| 01:46.05 | ry1 | night |
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| 01:46.49 | simonrvn | irc != web |
| 01:47.08 | ry1 | abrotman: alright, modularizing alsa and my sound card driver this time, though, in my stock kernel, it boots an ac97 codec, how do I compile that? |
| 01:47.09 | deado_ | what is airo btw? |
| 01:47.22 | ry1 | I haven't seen that in the kernel config anywhere |
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| 01:47.34 | abrotman | ry1: AC97 i think |
| 01:47.49 | ry1 | where, under generic devices? I haven't noticed it yet |
| 01:48.05 | abrotman | CONFIG_SND_AC97_CODEC=m |
| 01:48.05 | abrotman | CONFIG_SND_AC97_BUS=m |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | i'd guess those |
| 01:48.29 | eps | I plugged in a logitech usb mic and it seems to have been detected usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio I just can't work out how to capture audio from it...like I have no idea where it's going too |
| 01:48.43 | ry1 | grr, I guess there are merits to answering all thos yes no questions even though it takes me a long time |
| 01:49.58 | deado_ | lol |
| 01:50.26 | deado_ | could do make menuconfig.. seems to go a bit faster to some people |
| 01:50.38 | ry1 | deado: yes, but I haven't seen ac97 in there |
| 01:50.42 | ry1 | anywhere |
| 01:51.01 | ry1 | even though it should probably be under generic sound devices |
| 01:51.12 | ry1 | maybe it's os spacific |
| 01:51.31 | linux2 | anyone here know about cups. i have been trying for ages to get this damn thing to work. i have installed the cupsys package and im trying to connect through the kde control center |
| 01:51.36 | linux2 | all i get is some pointless error |
| 01:51.41 | linux2 | that means jack crap to anyone |
| 01:51.47 | ry1 | simonrvn: have you seen an ac97 option in make menuconfig? |
| 01:51.47 | linux2 | Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: |
| 01:51.47 | linux2 | Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: host not found. |
| 01:51.53 | simonrvn | go to localhost:631 first (using web browser) |
| 01:52.11 | simonrvn | ry1: no, but because i haven't looked for it |
| 01:52.20 | ry1 | kk :) |
| 01:52.29 | ry1 | it's probably spacific to os |
| 01:52.34 | peterS | ry1: if a module requires AC97, it'll pull it in. if not, it won't. your module is I guess snd-maestro3, which does pull in snd-ac97-codec. |
| 01:52.39 | simonrvn | 'specific' |
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| 01:52.49 | linux2 | simonrvn, yes it shows up there |
| 01:52.50 | linux2 | fine |
| 01:52.54 | linux2 | and i can add printers |
| 01:52.57 | linux2 | but then i cannot print to them |
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| 01:53.25 | simonrvn | then it isn't configured properly ;) |
| 01:53.33 | lunitik | linux2: what are you using as a desktop? |
| 01:53.39 | ry1 | peters: if that's the case, then sound in 2.6 has never worked for me, though it has somehow |
| 01:53.39 | linux2 | lunitik, kde |
| 01:53.44 | linux2 | and when i was doing it on my server |
| 01:53.46 | simonrvn | or it doesn't see the device, or.. |
| 01:53.46 | linux2 | i got similar issue |
| 01:53.51 | ry1 | only in 2.4 does it pull in ac97 |
| 01:53.52 | linux2 | but not with kde |
| 01:54.06 | lunitik | linux2: kdeprint ... you have to configure it again now that cups will stop bitching about not being able to start |
| 01:54.07 | peterS | ry1: weird, it should pull in the snd-ac97-codec module regardless |
| 01:54.19 | lunitik | linux2: its retarded, but thats the way you have to do it. |
| 01:54.30 | ry1 | peter: I know, maybe it's because my card is an alegra and not a mistro? |
| 01:54.32 | DocOC | azeem: what is the m-a prepare line in that mach64 dri entry for? |
| 01:54.39 | ry1 | never mind, that can't be right |
| 01:54.40 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:54.41 | peterS | ry1: I'm getting this by running 'modinfo snd-maestro3 | grep depends' |
| 01:54.55 | linux2 | lunitik, but cups is running fine |
| 01:54.58 | linux2 | on 631 |
| 01:55.17 | lunitik | linux2: ok... you add a printer there... then kdeprint sees it, and you have to configure it again... its retarded I know |
| 01:55.20 | linux2 | but its being a piece of crap, on every single default debian install i do of the cups server it is doing this WTF |
| 01:55.23 | simonrvn | DocOC: IIRC it's to fetch deps for the package build |
| 01:55.38 | lunitik | linux2: known issue... but yeah... you have to.... |
| 01:55.42 | ry1 | peter: do you have your sound modularized? |
| 01:55.42 | linux2 | lunitik, it was doing this before i added the prniter in the web interface |
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| 01:55.59 | ry1 | because up till now I have been compiling it direct |
| 01:56.04 | linux2 | lunitik, it has been doing this since i installed and started the cups server |
| 01:56.10 | linux2 | without touching any config files |
| 01:56.15 | lunitik | linux2: ok... and now its added? then it shouldn't complain anymore about not being able to start CUPS... and should allow you to configure kdeprint now. |
| 01:56.22 | DocOC | simonrvn: hmm, but m-a a-i is never run?... |
| 01:56.27 | peterS | ry1: I'm looking at this in a stock debian kernel |
| 01:56.33 | peterS | ry1: they modularize practically everything |
| 01:56.38 | linux2 | lunitik, kdeprint sees the printer but still gives that error |
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| 01:56.42 | linux2 | and cups is unable to print |
| 01:56.53 | blahdeblah_ | Hi. Does anyone know if there's a way to use the backports.org Sarge kernels with XFree86 & the nvidia driver? It seems that you can't build the nvidia driver from nvidia-kernel-source without pulling in the Xorg from testing. |
| 01:56.57 | simonrvn | DocOC: not sure |
| 01:57.00 | ry1 | peter: I tried that too, but where they modularized my eide controler, when I tried it wouldn't boot, how does that work |
| 01:57.07 | lunitik | linux2: add again via kdeprint... configure printer again... voila... unless you did something wrong |
| 01:57.26 | lunitik | linux2: I've set this up about 20 times... don't argue... tyia |
| 01:57.28 | ry1 | peter: somehow a debian stock kernel checks the bios and does a whole bunch of stuff that mine doesn't before it gets to loading hardware |
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| 01:57.30 | linux2 | Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: |
| 01:57.30 | linux2 | Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: host not found. |
| 01:57.35 | linux2 | that is the error |
| 01:58.03 | peterS | ry1: modular ide controllers require an initrd to be generated on your machine |
| 01:58.05 | lunitik | linux2: you're lpadmin or whatever>? |
| 01:58.18 | peterS | ry1: on 2.6 kernels this is generally done using either 'initramfs-tools' or 'yaird' |
| 01:58.20 | lunitik | linux2: add your user the that group |
| 01:58.24 | ToP_7L0 | cccccccc |
| 01:58.28 | ry1 | peter: ah, so I have to grab kramfs or something like that? |
| 01:58.45 | linux2 | Unable to create printer. Error message received from manager: |
| 01:58.45 | linux2 | client-error-bad-request |
| 01:59.09 | peterS | ry1: nothing to do with cramfs - that was needed in 2.4 kernels but not in 2.6 kernels |
| 01:59.17 | ry1 | peter: so I actually have to install initramfs-tools and use them to make me an initrd which I then compile into my kernel by using the -initrd option of kpkg? |
| 01:59.34 | lunitik | linux2: unless _you_ did something wrong... setting up printer via web interface, then going back to kdeprint should make the process simple |
| 01:59.59 | peterS | ry1: that's the general idea, yeah. the initrd is generated at install time, not at build time, so that you get different initrds on different machines that you install a kernel on. since it specifically loads modules needed for your machine |
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| 02:00.38 | ry1 | peter: so I don't actually physically type anything into initramfs-tools? |
| 02:00.58 | lunitik | linux2: note, going via cups interface should allow you to print with things like openoffice.org ... |
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| 02:01.10 | peterS | ry1: make-kpkg handles initramfs-tools for you. you probably have to say something like --initrd when building the package, I forget the details |
| 02:01.20 | souljas | linux2: do you have lpr installed? |
| 02:01.38 | linux2 | souljas, yes |
| 02:01.54 | linux2 | lunitik, even if i add the printer throught the web thing |
| 02:01.55 | souljas | i think its maybe conflicting with cups |
| 02:01.58 | linux2 | it still doesn't work in kde |
| 02:02.01 | lunitik | souljas: why? cups should conflict lpr |
| 02:02.06 | ry1 | peter: you are right, it's make-kpkg --initrd, but apt doesn't seem to have initramfs-tools |
| 02:02.10 | linux2 | and it won't print with the web interface |
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| 02:02.17 | linux2 | it says the device doesn't exist or some crap |
| 02:02.30 | lunitik | linux2: the printer _is_ on correct? |
| 02:02.38 | linux2 | yes the printer is on |
| 02:02.44 | linux2 | it shows up as a usb device |
| 02:02.46 | peterS | ry1: oh, if you're running debian stable, then that's correct. stable only has the old 'initrd-tools' package, which only works for kernels up to 2.6.11 or 2.6.12 or so. |
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| 02:02.55 | lunitik | linux2: and you're using the correct drivers? |
| 02:03.08 | peterS | ry1: the old initrd-tools does pull in stuff related to cramfs, and you have to compile cramfs into your kernel, and stuff like that |
| 02:03.11 | linux2 | lunitik, idk, i don't see any drivers for my printer so i choose the closest model |
| 02:03.14 | ry1 | peter: oh jees, knowing that could have saved me days of work |
| 02:03.20 | lunitik | linux2: drivers etc have to be correct via web interface for kdeprint to let you do anything |
| 02:03.24 | souljas | linux2: is this sarge or etch? |
| 02:03.26 | blahdeblah_ | ry1: Try backports.org - there's a nice 2.6.16 kernel and all the necessary infrastructure to get it loaded. |
| 02:03.27 | ry1 | peter: is there a way to upgrade to initramfs? |
| 02:03.30 | linux2 | souljas, both |
| 02:03.34 | peterS | ry1: initramfs-tools and related things for new kernels are all available at backports.org, though |
| 02:03.34 | lunitik | linux2: thats probably your issue... blah |
| 02:03.34 | linux2 | server does the same thing |
| 02:03.37 | linux2 | which is sarge |
| 02:03.46 | peterS | ry1: so that's what I'd do, go to backports.org and do what they tell you |
| 02:03.47 | linux2 | They are both default cups installs |
| 02:03.57 | linux2 | i just run apt-get install cupssys |
| 02:03.58 | ry1 | peter: awsome, thanks :) |
| 02:04.01 | linux2 | and then thats it |
| 02:04.02 | lunitik | souljas: wrong driver... kdeprint won't work with invalid drivers... because cups will complain about invalid drivers and not start |
| 02:04.09 | souljas | sarge should be fine, i'm reading a few problems as yours with etch right now |
| 02:04.10 | linux2 | why the hell wont this work |
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| 02:04.19 | bucketfan99 | hiya |
| 02:04.19 | lunitik | linux2: get the correct drivers... else no one can help you |
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| 02:04.22 | linux2 | this is so fucking frustrating that i have been working at this for days and days |
| 02:04.24 | bucketfan99 | anyone know what package contains "install-mbr" |
| 02:04.30 | peterS | bucketfan99: possibly 'mbr' |
| 02:04.31 | blahdeblah_ | ry1: Make sure you pin sarge-backports to about priority 450 or so. |
| 02:04.41 | bucketfan99 | ah. |
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| 02:04.44 | bucketfan99 | thanks ;) |
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| 02:05.05 | peterS | ry1: note that at backports.org you can also get newer versions of 'kernel-package' (aka make-kpkg) which you may need for newer kernels |
| 02:05.11 | lunitik | linux2: it'd be a 2 minute process if your printer was supported and you had the drivers |
| 02:05.31 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: Any thoughts on my query about nvidia & bpo kernels (see above)? |
| 02:05.31 | lunitik | (actually, not really, first time is unintuitive and takes longer...) |
| 02:05.39 | linux2 | lunitik, ok my printer on the server is supported |
| 02:05.46 | linux2 | so what do you have to say about that one? |
| 02:05.46 | peterS | blahdeblah_: I know nothing about non-free graphics drivers, I've stayed away from those |
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| 02:05.54 | lunitik | linux2: use it? |
| 02:05.59 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: I *wish*. :-( |
| 02:06.13 | linux2 | lunitik, i have used it many times on other distros |
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| 02:06.37 | lunitik | linux2: ok... sorry... Debian doesn't try to guess printer drivers |
| 02:06.50 | ry1 | peter: their howto and faq seem to be down, though it seems that I just add one of their mirrors as an apt source and then apt-get install initramfs-tools like that? |
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| 02:07.05 | blahdeblah_ | peterS: Hopefully something good will come of the recent Intel graphics driver release and AMD's acquisition of ATI. In the meantime, i'm stuck with this nvidia card, and the free driver just doesn't cut it. |
| 02:07.08 | linux2 | lunitik, i have even had it working before on a pervious debian install |
| 02:07.21 | peterS | ry1: yeah something like that. they say you should also set a pin priority on their site, so that you don't get _all_ their updates next time you do an 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 02:07.36 | lunitik | linux2: apt-cache show cupsys ... note all those packages like foomatic-foo etc under suggests... one of those has your drivers if other distro's support it |
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| 02:07.52 | ry1 | peter: I'll have to look that up later, but thanks for the info |
| 02:08.25 | peterS | blahdeblah_: I guess I was fortunate enough to purchase hardware whose free driver _does_ cut it. A matrox g450, to be exact. I have no idea whether anyone has any 3D acceleration for it available, but it does what I need, which is to say, gives me great performance with 1600x1200 x 2 monitors |
| 02:09.36 | souljas | linux2: maybe uninstall cups, foomatic, gs, etc and reinstall them . |
| 02:10.01 | souljas | seems to have help a couple people |
| 02:10.06 | peterS | blahdeblah_: not only that, it didn't cost much on ebay (: |
| 02:12.07 | souljas | the suggested packages are cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client foomatic-bin gs-esp a2ps and hpijs if its an hp inkjet |
| 02:12.17 | ry1 | peter: initramfs-tools isn't on there, but it wants to upgrade makedev and module-init-tools? will this work for what I want to do? |
| 02:13.05 | linux2 | souljas, already done that |
| 02:13.07 | linux2 | WTF |
| 02:13.15 | peterS | ry1: should be fine. I thought initramfs-tools was on there, though |
| 02:13.21 | linux2 | why won't this damn cups server work on any of my 8 servers |
| 02:13.23 | linux2 | and 2 desktops |
| 02:13.24 | ry1 | peter: nope |
| 02:13.25 | lunitik | souljas: he's trying to set up cups with "the closest driver to his model that he can find" ie... not the correct driver... won't help if he doesn't use the correct driver |
| 02:13.25 | linux2 | WTF |
| 02:13.30 | linux2 | what the hell is wrong with thi |
| 02:13.37 | linux2 | lunitik, not on the servers |
| 02:13.40 | linux2 | on the servers i know they work |
| 02:13.43 | linux2 | with a different printer |
| 02:13.48 | linux2 | that is hooked up to them |
| 02:13.56 | ry1 | peter: so an upgrade to initrd-tools would work? but then where do I get kramfs or whatever it's called? |
| 02:13.58 | linux2 | the desktops have a more recent model |
| 02:14.04 | linux2 | so WTFFFFFFFF!!!!1 |
| 02:14.10 | peterS | ry1: I just typed 'initramfs-tools' into the search box on backports.org and it found version 0.68bpo1 |
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| 02:14.46 | ry1 | oh, didn't find the search box yet |
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| 02:15.06 | ry1 | peter: should I uninstall initrd-tools if I am installing initramfs-tools? |
| 02:15.08 | abrotman | !irritate linux2 |
| 02:15.09 | dpkg | linux2: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh mouse U FUX0RZ |
| 02:15.14 | peterS | ry1: it's harmless to keep both |
| 02:15.15 | chino[dev] | if i dont have ph ysical access to my box then i dont need getty running right ? |
| 02:15.23 | ry1 | peter: k, thanks |
| 02:15.30 | ApEtc | abrotman: Was that actually said or is it made up? |
| 02:16.04 | peterS | ry1: but if you get to the point where you will never install or upgrade a 2.4 kernel or early 2.6 kernel again, you can safely delete initrd-tools |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | ApEtc: nfc .. |
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| 02:17.59 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:18.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:18.12 | abrotman | erm .. no .. it's half and half |
| 02:18.14 | ry1 | peter: it seems to only able to run it on testing or unstable |
| 02:19.04 | peterS | ry1: that's strange, things from backports.org should always run on stable |
| 02:19.42 | ry1 | peter: it should, and maybe it's just me, but I either can't find the stable download link, or it zapped me right to the 0.73c page |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | unless he's mixed in something else |
| 02:20.04 | peterS | ry1: yeah I don't know. backports.org is _specifically_ intended for sarge. |
| 02:20.10 | ry1 | it doesn't seem to be in the backports archive |
| 02:20.35 | kensai | from what I've read nvidia is not possible to be installed in etch with module-assistant but is goping to be fixed am I correct? |
| 02:21.08 | peterS | ry1: it certainly appears to be in http://ftp.backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/initramfs-tools/ |
| 02:21.29 | ry1 | peter: then I am using a crappy mirror :) |
| 02:21.37 | peterS | (the file initramfs-tools_0.68bpo1_all.deb) |
| 02:22.24 | peterS | I suppose you could switch to http://ftp.backports.org/ as your mirror |
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| 02:27.14 | rares | is it possible to createa chapter in lyx and then incorpoate it into a book? |
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| 02:31.46 | ry1 | peter: so now that initramfs is installed, I can go ahead and modularize most things and compile with the initrd option with almost no fear of kernel panic? :) |
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| 02:33.40 | souljas | rares: seems yes |
| 02:33.54 | peterS | ry1: it is still helpful to have multiple kernel boot options, in case your latest one doesn't boot |
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| 02:34.00 | peterS | ry1: but it _should_ work. |
| 02:34.15 | ry1 | peter: I have a backup, and do I have to worry about the option initramfs-source? |
| 02:34.33 | ry1 | it's under general setup, initramfs source files |
| 02:34.49 | peterS | I don't know what a 'initramfs-source' option is. I don't remember that one. |
| 02:35.12 | simonrvn | had to flip the floppy drive's cable setting in the bios |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | had to who the what? |
| 02:35.29 | ry1 | peter: something that allows you to build your own custom initramfs? |
| 02:35.46 | peterS | ry1: I don't know, I've never noticed that option |
| 02:35.52 | ry1 | k :) |
| 02:36.17 | simonrvn | abrotman: flip the setting in the bios where it says 'flip a/b' or such |
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| 02:36.44 | rares | souljas how do i do that? |
| 02:36.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: printer box! |
| 02:37.01 | simonrvn | uh, no..? |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 02:37.44 | souljas | rares no clue, i dont use it. it just states it on the lyx website in the features section. |
| 02:37.46 | simonrvn | where? |
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| 02:38.10 | peterS | ry1: hmmm, I see the option you mean. you can leave it alone. |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:38.36 | peterS | no, where are your lemmings tomorrow, abrotman? |
| 02:38.40 | ry1 | peter: so kpkg should build me an initramfs automatically? |
| 02:38.41 | simonrvn | aah there we go. dd works now :) |
| 02:38.45 | peterS | ry1: right |
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| 02:38.47 | lontra | any suggestions for a light weight bittorrent client? bittornado is too much of a CPU pig for me |
| 02:38.50 | abrotman | peterS: maybe the baseball game |
| 02:39.00 | ry1 | okay, I was getting worried I'd have to make one :) |
| 02:39.02 | Exclamation | lontra: transmission |
| 02:39.04 | simonrvn | btmanycurses or such |
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| 02:39.09 | JulianTifflor | i got a question |
| 02:39.12 | simonrvn | crap. floppy went bad |
| 02:39.27 | peterS | 'many curses' is right. that client has such a crap UI. |
| 02:39.30 | simonrvn | they don't make them like they used to... |
| 02:39.30 | JulianTifflor | is etch usable yet ? |
| 02:39.37 | simonrvn | very |
| 02:39.59 | peterS | JulianTifflor: beta3 of the installer just came out - pull down the 145 MB netinst CD image and try it |
| 02:40.01 | simonrvn | well, i'm experienced, so i'm biased ;) |
| 02:40.17 | souljas | JulianTifflor: for testing |
| 02:40.37 | simonrvn | souljas: it *is* called testing ... :) |
| 02:40.41 | lontra | transmission doesn't look like it's packaged |
| 02:40.44 | souljas | hehe |
| 02:42.24 | Exclamation | lontra: not sure,i havent got debian running yet. |
| 02:42.35 | Exclamation | but transmission is pretty nice |
| 02:42.46 | simonrvn | not in sid... |
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| 02:43.42 | zinx | uhm |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | !ops rubberman spamming |
| 02:43.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: rubberman spamming |
| 02:43.44 | zinx | go away |
| 02:43.51 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 02:43.55 | *** kick/#debian [rubberman!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-67-66-106-160.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 02:43.59 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 02:44.03 | ry1 | thanks :) |
| 02:44.08 | simonrvn | @peterS++ |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | must be something about canadians |
| 02:44.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@toronto-HSE-ppp4058193.sympatico.ca] by peterS |
| 02:44.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 02:44.39 | ry1 | abrotman: I take insult to that |
| 02:44.47 | ry1 | and I think peter just banned my domain |
| 02:44.49 | ry1 | :) |
| 02:44.55 | peterS | ry1: he was talking to simonrvn from montreal (: |
| 02:44.59 | Exclamation | i cant get my network to work durring installation..need help |
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| 02:45.02 | ry1 | I am from montreal too |
| 02:45.08 | ry1 | I hope I didn't get banned |
| 02:45.09 | simonrvn | i'm not from here |
| 02:45.10 | ry1 | :) |
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| 02:45.22 | simonrvn | been here most f my life though... |
| 02:45.23 | abrotman | do you live there? |
| 02:45.24 | peterS | ry1: yeah I guess I could have banned *@*.sympatico.ca but that didn't seem very nice |
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| 02:45.39 | lunitik | ry1: you wouldn't be able to be seen still if you were banned... you'd get messages like "operator has taken your voice priviledges or something |
| 02:45.42 | simonrvn | ry1: no, he just got that one host |
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| 02:45.57 | ry1 | okay, it sounded like mine, we are both using sympatico |
| 02:46.01 | ry1 | :) |
| 02:46.17 | peterS | ry1: yeah, it was more specific, I only banned the one host who just spammed us |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | ry1: there's a troll from toronto that keeps coming in here and saying stupid things |
| 02:46.34 | lunitik | Although, that is PPP, so its dynamically assigned probably? |
| 02:46.38 | simonrvn | dsl |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | i guess troll saying stupid things is redundant |
| 02:46.51 | simonrvn | the 'hse' is 'high-speed edition' |
| 02:46.53 | peterS | yes it is. if he comes back he'll be invited to go away again |
| 02:46.56 | ry1 | abrotman: ah, but he's not from toronto probably, I am on a simular toronto domain server |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | yeah .. i blame all of canada equally :) |
| 02:47.18 | ry1 | alrightie then :) |
| 02:47.30 | ry1 | what, videotron? :) |
| 02:47.31 | simonrvn | then i got smart ;) |
| 02:47.36 | DocOC | damn, anti-semitism on irc. Who'da thunk it |
| 02:47.39 | simonrvn | no, istop->cybersurf |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | DocOC: wtf would you click a link like that? |
| 02:47.52 | ry1 | better than sympatico? |
| 02:47.55 | simonrvn | gonna switch to pubnix when i can |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | lunitik: jew haters |
| 02:48.06 | DocOC | abrotman: because I'm an idiot. |
| 02:48.15 | simonrvn | for sure. but they're not around for new customers anymore :( |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | DocOC: you run unstable/sid don't you? :) |
| 02:48.17 | lunitik | abrotman: ohhhh... I just don't like looking around their noses :o |
| 02:48.21 | peterS | technically Arabs are Semites too. but anti-semites normally don't hate Arabs, for some reason |
| 02:48.24 | ry1 | awe... |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | lunitik: thank you for providing an example of racism .. |
| 02:48.50 | ry1 | simonrvn: I just want something with faster upload, 512 sorto sucks |
| 02:49.02 | peterS | lunitik: yeah, joke somewhere else |
| 02:49.06 | simonrvn | ry1: www.pubnix.net or .org - similar to istop. small family op. the son and friends run the tech, and the mom runs the phones |
| 02:49.06 | zinx | ry1: try 256 :( |
| 02:49.10 | DocOC | !kill lunitik |
| 02:49.20 | lunitik | peterS: meh... I'm like 1/3 jewish... |
| 02:49.23 | simonrvn | mine's ~800 |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | lunitik: your mom was in a threesome? :) |
| 02:49.38 | simonrvn | my wife has some jweish ancestry |
| 02:49.48 | peterS | lunitik: that only gives you the right to make fun of jews if everyone knows it in advance |
| 02:49.49 | simonrvn | jewish even |
| 02:50.07 | ry1 | simonrvn: wow, this rocks... I think I might switch almost immediately |
| 02:50.10 | ry1 | :) |
| 02:50.11 | lunitik | abrotman: hahah... no... just, a lot of family from both sides was jewish... but not enough to be 50% ... rough estimate |
| 02:50.11 | peterS | even then ... anyone could _say_ they were |
| 02:50.18 | DocOC | I'm a dark-skinned jew with a beard. I look just like a terrorist. I avoid airports. |
| 02:50.27 | simonrvn | they rock. they similar EULA to istop. hand out IP blocks and stuff |
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| 02:51.16 | lunitik | peterS: I don't make fun of anyone... I only make sweeping statements in jest, because they are rarely true.... I suppose that is that part that I should ensure audience is aware of though |
| 02:51.23 | simonrvn | then again, they go after anyone dark-skinned anyway... |
| 02:51.28 | peterS | lunitik: that would be best |
| 02:51.32 | ry1 | simonrv: static IP? |
| 02:51.36 | simonrvn | yup |
| 02:51.47 | ry1 | simonrvn: holy sh*t: I'm switching |
| 02:51.55 | ry1 | beautiful |
| 02:52.00 | abrotman | simonrvn: your wife is lucky |
| 02:52.02 | ry1 | f**king beautiful |
| 02:52.20 | peterS | it's not the size of the netblock that matters |
| 02:52.20 | lunitik | peterS: making fun of someone = "omg, you have a jew nose!" ... something I'd never say... all generalizations are false |
| 02:52.21 | simonrvn | abrotman: for what? |
| 02:52.28 | zinx | simonrvn: i have a /32, and it even *changes* every time i connect! |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | simonrvn: nevermind .. carry on |
| 02:52.38 | simonrvn | peterS: course not. it's damned useful |
| 02:52.44 | peterS | DocOC: no, you miscalculated, you only have a /8, 127.0.0.0/8 to be exact |
| 02:52.44 | lunitik | peterS: however, I apologize for offending you |
| 02:52.46 | simonrvn | zinx: :( |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | peterS: that's a big house :) |
| 02:53.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: thank you, i guess :) |
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| 02:53.34 | peterS | abrotman: I'm at 127.254.35.49 |
| 02:53.39 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:53.42 | peterS | and so are you |
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| 02:54.13 | DocOC | peterS: no, I also have 192.168.0.0/16 and 10.0.0.0/8 and 167.0.0.0/8 ;-P |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | DocOC: you have 127.0.0.0/8 .. |
| 02:54.40 | peterS | DocOC: you do not have 167/8. however, I do have 127.16.0.0/12 |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | that's all you have! |
| 02:54.47 | peterS | errr, 172.16.0.0/12 |
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| 02:55.21 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:55.51 | peterS | 167.254 is not really anyone's property, not in the same way |
| 02:55.56 | pseubodot | abrotman: I blame you |
| 02:56.09 | abrotman | pseubodot: i don't blame you for blaming me .. |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | pseubodot: did you get my photo for the calendar? |
| 02:56.34 | DocOC | peterS: my nephew's windows box seems pretty sure it owns that :) |
| 02:56.38 | peterS | wha..? there's an abrotman calendar? where do I order? |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | http://itsallpetesfault.org/ |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | peterS: that used to be the home to the SEUL calednar poll |
| 02:57.33 | NetEcho | !fglrx |
| 02:57.33 | peterS | ahhh |
| 02:57.33 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 02:57.52 | abrotman | peterS: which i was winning by a good margin .. and by winning .. i think that's a loss for all mankind |
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| 02:58.23 | peterS | abrotman: I didn't know SEUL was contemplating a calendar |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | pseubodot: why don't you love us anymore |
| 02:58.37 | abrotman | peterS: it was pseubodot's idea |
| 02:59.03 | peterS | itsallpseudobotsfault |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | yeah .. that's the way i feel |
| 02:59.36 | abrotman | he's another canadian! |
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| 03:01.24 | ry1 | well guys, I'll see you all later, and peter: thanks for answering all my stupid questions :) |
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| 03:02.58 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:02.58 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
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| 03:03.49 | Vasistha | hehehe |
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| 03:03.54 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:03.55 | dpkg | <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
| 03:04.10 | abrotman | ohhh ... |
| 03:04.12 | abrotman | !flw |
| 03:04.12 | dpkg | [flw30] <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
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| 03:04.28 | abrotman | ok .. all done :) |
| 03:04.38 | peterS | good, I was about to look sternly at you |
| 03:04.47 | De_mon | !flw |
| 03:04.47 | dpkg | well, flw30 is <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 03:05.09 | De_mon | just checking |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | it's like !qotd0 |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | but there aren't nearly as many flw as there are qotd |
| 03:05.47 | abrotman | that will change when etch releases :) |
| 03:05.58 | peterS | what's the acronym? |
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| 03:06.04 | abrotman | famous last words |
| 03:06.05 | abrotman | !flw |
| 03:06.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw12 is <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | some of them are really good |
| 03:06.25 | simonrvn | !flw |
| 03:06.26 | dpkg | somebody said flw30 was <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 03:06.30 | simonrvn | bah |
| 03:06.37 | abrotman | wtf .. why does it keep hitting that one |
| 03:06.42 | simonrvn | !flw |
| 03:06.43 | dpkg | < dafen> anyways, if I use laptop, I don't need a journal file system right? < dafen> since under no circumstence, I'll loose power |
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| 03:06.53 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 03:06.56 | abrotman | !flw24 |
| 03:06.56 | dpkg | < busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system? |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | see |
| 03:06.58 | peterS | look I know it's less than 25 hours away from Sunday, but.... |
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| 03:07.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:07.33 | peterS | busboy must have read the hype about how ubuntu "doesn't have a root account" |
| 03:07.36 | simonrvn | crap. floppies are fucked, so i can't boot the secondary server :(. but, i *did* find a p3 667 :) |
| 03:07.39 | peterS | and took it literally |
| 03:07.45 | DocOC | ok, that's just hillarious. What does 'flw' stand for? |
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| 03:07.51 | abrotman | famous last words |
| 03:07.53 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 03:07.53 | peterS | DocOC: I just asked that, abrotman just answered |
| 03:07.58 | DocOC | aha. |
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| 03:08.32 | abrotman | they were supposed to be like the ironic saying before they die kind of thing |
| 03:08.37 | simonrvn | me shuts down to see if the 667 will work |
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| 03:08.45 | simonrvn | even |
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| 03:08.57 | abrotman | the 667? |
| 03:09.05 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:09.24 | abrotman | i got lost in the flws |
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| 03:13.09 | abrotman | can we do the flw again?! |
| 03:13.24 | peterS | "let's do the time flw again"...? |
| 03:13.43 | abrotman | it's just a step to the left! |
| 03:14.08 | peterS | ok, yeah, you're scaring me now. tell you what, I have to run an errand in a few minutes, while I'm gone I don't care if you do the time flw again |
| 03:14.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:14.38 | abrotman | why is that scary?! |
| 03:14.53 | peterS | that whole show is |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | i'm surprised i remember that much |
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| 03:15.43 | abrotman | oh .. i got it wrong .. it was a jump to the left and step to the right |
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| 03:16.03 | abrotman | who runs errands at 10pm? unless it's for more beer! |
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| 03:16.35 | peterS | abrotman: random grocery shopping. I rarely do it in daylight. and I'm not about beer |
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| 03:16.43 | abrotman | wine? |
| 03:16.44 | realist | abrotman: it's all relative |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | tequila? |
| 03:16.59 | scruffy | bourbon?? |
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| 03:17.15 | abrotman | peterS: if you would have put that middle statement on its own line .. qotd material easily |
| 03:17.36 | peterS | abrotman: that's true too, indeed - I rarely do it in daylight |
| 03:17.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | don't forget to get the ho-hos |
| 03:18.24 | jetscreamer | hmm beer |
| 03:18.36 | jetscreamer | damn all i have are 100's |
| 03:18.52 | peterS | I actually have no plans to purchase any alcohol tonight, nor do I have any on hand. I'm a bit strange, I suppose |
| 03:19.05 | jetscreamer | i don't drink much |
| 03:19.13 | jetscreamer | sounds kinda good atm though |
| 03:19.17 | realist | There's always time for beer |
| 03:19.29 | jetscreamer | once every 2-6 months yeah |
| 03:19.34 | abrotman | there's wine here .. no beer/liquor |
| 03:19.37 | jetscreamer | plenty of time |
| 03:19.39 | realist | jetscreamer: agreed, even it it's only 13:20 (UTC+1000) |
| 03:19.47 | abrotman | granted ... i don't really drink wine .. |
| 03:19.48 | realist | s/it/if/ |
| 03:19.55 | jetscreamer | i have 1.5 hours left to buy, if i decide |
| 03:19.57 | iluciv | Hi I'm just going through a etch net-install and have only installed the standard system (i.e no desktop web ftp etc) as I want to try to build a fairly lean system. I would like to install the FVWM window manager but I'm unsure as to what else is required to install it (other than apt-get install fvwm) is this correct or should I apt-get install xserver-xorg first? or can you install it all at once i.e apt-get install fvwm-xserver-xorg?? |
| 03:20.00 | jetscreamer | which i probably won't |
| 03:20.08 | abrotman | i mean .. i will .. but i have a lot of bottles here for the amount i drink |
| 03:20.11 | peterS | let's see ... I finished someone's wine cooler last night, before that I think my last drink was in late June |
| 03:20.29 | abrotman | Illarane: do you want a desktop manager like xdm or gdm ? |
| 03:20.33 | sanmarcos | Illarane, dependencies will be solved |
| 03:20.39 | peterS | do wine coolers even count? I mean really. |
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| 03:20.48 | ECRS401 | E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) ?? |
| 03:20.51 | abrotman | peterS: they're like lambics :) |
| 03:20.54 | realist | peterS: what exactly is a wine cooler? |
| 03:20.58 | abrotman | ECRS401: so fix it |
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| 03:21.04 | abrotman | realist: foofoo drink |
| 03:21.14 | peterS | realist: fruity drink with 5% or so |
| 03:21.14 | ECRS401 | abrotman, tried, not sure what the problem is |
| 03:21.33 | ECRS401 | deb http://www.arcanelinux.org/~cheeze/freespire binary is line 4 |
| 03:21.35 | realist | peterS: that depends, wine cooler here comes in 4 litre casks |
| 03:21.43 | abrotman | ECRS401: ask #freespire |
| 03:21.52 | ECRS401 | no response, as usual |
| 03:22.00 | abrotman | tough shit .. freespire is not debian |
| 03:22.01 | ECRS401 | take out the / before ~ and it tries, but still fails |
| 03:22.03 | realist | peterS: so if you drank a whole 4L, I'd say it counts :-) |
| 03:22.11 | peterS | realist: yeah. I guess that would count. (: |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | ECRS401: if you want support here .. install debian .. then come back |
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| 03:22.51 | abrotman | maybe he went to do it? |
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| 03:23.18 | iluciv | abrotman: is that to me? |
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| 03:23.30 | peterS | abrotman: I wasn't going _right_ now, I was having a bite to eat. not least because if I go to the grocery store hungry, I buy too much crap |
| 03:23.31 | realist | Has anyone here tried upgrading a debian box to ubuntu? |
| 03:23.33 | abrotman | iluciv: was what? |
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| 03:24.03 | abrotman | peterS: i used to do that .. i'd go after work .. and i wouldn't realize i was doing it .. i'd come home with half the junkfood aisle |
| 03:24.09 | peterS | abrotman: exactly |
| 03:24.22 | iluciv | abrotman: Illarane: do you want a desktop manager like xdm or gdm ? |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | peterS: but i got much better .. now i even buy good stuff |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | iluciv: yes .. sorry |
| 03:24.36 | zebalin4 | abrotman: beep :-) |
| 03:24.38 | realist | Isn't that the first law of budgeting? Don't do your grocery shopping whilst hungry! |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | iluciv: was to you |
| 03:24.42 | peterS | oh I buy some good stuff too, just too much of that as well |
| 03:24.44 | abrotman | zebalin4: don't touch me there! |
| 03:24.54 | zebalin4 | abrotman: :-) |
| 03:25.04 | abrotman | peterS: i don't think i buy real junk food anymore |
| 03:25.07 | iluciv | lol I know of gdm is xdm the later one |
| 03:25.09 | abrotman | tortilla chips and bagel chpis |
| 03:25.20 | abrotman | iluciv: do you want one though ? |
| 03:25.27 | iluciv | sure |
| 03:25.29 | zebalin4 | What is new in Debian land? Is sid and cups still screwed up? |
| 03:25.33 | abrotman | iluciv: which one ? |
| 03:25.37 | peterS | abrotman: I try to avoid junk food for cost reasons, not for health reasons, believe it or not |
| 03:25.44 | iluciv | probably the later one I guess |
| 03:25.50 | Vasistha | cookies can get expensive :P |
| 03:25.52 | abrotman | urg .. which one! |
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| 03:26.02 | iluciv | xdm? lol sorry |
| 03:26.14 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. i used to come home from work and eat a bag of onion rings and drink three cans of mt dew |
| 03:26.22 | peterS | heh |
| 03:26.29 | realist | Vasistha: especially if you know/have/are your own cookie monster. |
| 03:26.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: yeah, now that is junk... |
| 03:26.43 | abrotman | iluciv: apt-get install fvwm xdm x-window-system-core |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | Vasistha: yeah .. six months later i'd gained 30lbs :) |
| 03:26.59 | peterS | abrotman: well, as much as I ride my bike and dance, I seem to be able to offset whatever calories I ingest. but junk food is still way overpriced |
| 03:27.05 | iluciv | abrotman: which one do you prefer |
| 03:27.13 | abrotman | iluciv: prefer ? |
| 03:27.22 | Vasistha | abrotman: mmm... I think "supersize me" is a better example, but that's a lot of weight |
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| 03:27.34 | abrotman | peterS: it is .. i don't buy much at all anymore |
| 03:27.41 | iluciv | abrotman: xdm gdm? sorry I'm just reading about xdm |
| 03:27.45 | abrotman | Vasistha: i lost it all through the magic of .. beer? :) |
| 03:27.56 | abrotman | iluciv: i use gdm but i have gnome running also |
| 03:28.39 | Vasistha | abrotman: why do I have the feeling something else might have been involved? |
| 03:28.40 | iluciv | abrotman: how different do they manage things though |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | iluciv: xdm is pretty basic |
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| 03:29.00 | abrotman | Vasistha: active sex life? |
| 03:29.15 | Vasistha | abrotman: god that would be great right now |
| 03:29.36 | DocOC | get a room, you two. |
| 03:29.36 | abrotman | Vasistha: no .. i just stopped eating crap all the time .. i used eat for dinner what is meant for like 3 people .. and working 12 hour days .. eating 12" hoagies for lunch every day ... |
| 03:29.59 | iluciv | abrotman: so I could use the same command as above changed with gdm if I decided on that one once finished reading? |
| 03:30.08 | abrotman | yep |
| 03:30.20 | iluciv | abrotman: thanks heaps :) |
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| 03:33.59 | abrotman | we sohuld ban him for that /part message :) |
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| 03:37.05 | lontra | i have audio w/ flash when i run firefox as root but not a regular user...any ideas why? |
| 03:37.53 | DocOC | lontra: have you tried adding your regular user to the audio group? |
| 03:38.11 | lontra | i am in the audio gropu |
| 03:39.54 | DocOC | have you logged out and logged back in since adding yourself to the audio group? |
| 03:40.09 | lontra | i've always been in the audio group |
| 03:40.27 | lontra | i'm using aoss FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" |
| 03:40.33 | lontra | for audio |
| 03:41.50 | DocOC | I'm out of my depth, I don't know what aoss is. |
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| 03:43.14 | CHodapp | aoss is a wrapper, it captures OSS sound output and sends it to ALSA |
| 03:43.29 | lontra | is there a ~/.firefoxrc ? |
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| 03:43.55 | DocOC | CHodapp: like the oss compatability kernel modules? |
| 03:44.15 | lontra | guess so :) |
| 03:44.18 | lontra | i solved my problem |
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| 03:46.09 | CHodapp | DocOC, yes, but a userspace tool |
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| 03:49.32 | bluefox83 | my keyboard keeps getting turned off when i boot into my debian installation (i am having more problems with debian installing than i've ver had before!) |
| 03:50.23 | bluefox83 | and i forgot how to get knoppix to run stuff on my installation..i thought it was chroot /mnt/hda1 |
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| 03:52.50 | khaije1 | can anyone tell me what the shadow group for? |
| 03:53.45 | jetscreamer | you mount the partition you want to chroot to first.. |
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| 03:56.33 | bluefox83 | jetscreamer, yeah, i decided to umount it then mount it up again...it worked :) |
| 03:57.20 | bluefox83 | now all i have to do is figure out why my damn keyboard kept getting turned off..and why my X wont start up |
| 03:58.15 | enouf | bluefox83: not sure if this is what you want but, I recall if you want to alter files from knoppix, you want to be owner of those files - like so as root (or sudo) 'mkdir /mnt/mytmp ' then 'mount /dev/hdX -o,rw uid=knoppix' ...something like that |
| 03:58.22 | bluefox83 | ok..off to see if i fixed the problem... |
| 03:58.32 | jetscreamer | if it's usb |
| 03:58.37 | jetscreamer | turn that support on in bios |
| 03:58.38 | enouf | bluefox83: oh - that appears to eb solved ..ok |
| 03:58.44 | enouf | be* |
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| 03:58.53 | Marshman | what was the grep command to find a string in a .txt file iin a directory? |
| 03:58.56 | bluefox83 | actually..it's a wireless one with both USB and PS2 |
| 03:58.56 | Marshman | grep -r *text* /directory ? |
| 03:59.02 | terminal|giga | um, since upgrading to 2.6 kernel from etch, I have no sound |
| 03:59.06 | stoned | read the manpage |
| 03:59.16 | terminal|giga | and dmesg doesnt show soundhardwre comming up |
| 03:59.20 | terminal|giga | any ideas? |
| 03:59.21 | bluefox83 | now..off to see |
| 03:59.26 | Marshman | anyone? |
| 03:59.42 | stoned | Marshman, read the manpage |
| 03:59.46 | Marshman | no |
| 03:59.56 | Marshman | the reason i asked is because i read it already |
| 04:00.01 | Marshman | AND im not equite sure |
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| 04:00.51 | Marshman | anybody? |
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| 04:03.15 | enouf | Find ? |
| 04:03.16 | Vasistha | Marshman: grep string directory/*.txt maybe |
| 04:03.22 | khaije1 | to activate the cups webadmin the cups tutorial says i have to add cupsys to the shadow group, but i have no idea what that does or what it means... someone has to know this, it wouldn't exist for no reason |
| 04:03.51 | Marshman | tried that. |
| 04:03.56 | Marshman | i added -r for recursive |
| 04:03.57 | khaije1 | does anyone know what the shadow group is for? |
| 04:04.00 | Marshman | and -i for insensitive |
| 04:04.03 | Marshman | what else am i missing |
| 04:04.10 | enouf | use cat then pipe to grep |
| 04:04.28 | Marshman | what? |
| 04:04.36 | terminal|giga | ESS Allegro PCI at 0x1400, irq 5 |
| 04:04.36 | terminal|giga | Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG |
| 04:04.41 | terminal|giga | what does that mean? |
| 04:04.48 | terminal|giga | cat sndstat shows that |
| 04:04.51 | enouf | or just 'grep 'phrase' /some/file/somewhere' |
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| 04:05.02 | Marshman | with exact quotes? |
| 04:05.13 | Marshman | cus im trying to use wildcards. |
| 04:05.20 | enouf | toy can enclose in singles I believe, but may not be necessary |
| 04:05.27 | Marshman | grep -R *kafra* npc <-- is what im using |
| 04:05.28 | enouf | you* |
| 04:05.36 | Marshman | npc is the folder, *kafra* is the string |
| 04:05.42 | Marshman | doesnt seem to be wokring |
| 04:05.46 | enouf | that's not the example I gave |
| 04:06.04 | enouf | use the full path then |
| 04:06.14 | enouf | lose te -R |
| 04:06.16 | enouf | the* |
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| 04:06.24 | Marshman | im trying to find stuff IN the npc folder |
| 04:06.28 | Marshman | theres like 4 different folders. |
| 04:06.30 | Marshman | inside npc. |
| 04:06.40 | enouf | oh...use find then grep |
| 04:06.47 | Marshman | argh. |
| 04:06.50 | Marshman | look |
| 04:06.51 | enouf | maube ?? |
| 04:06.53 | sanmarcos | grep -R |
| 04:06.55 | Marshman | im trying to find a string INSIDE a .txt file. |
| 04:06.59 | Marshman | yes sanmarcos, i already have that. |
| 04:07.01 | enouf | maybe?? -- oh well i tried :-p |
| 04:07.03 | Marshman | enouf was telling me to get rid ofi t |
| 04:07.06 | sanmarcos | grep -Ri "string" file.txt |
| 04:07.12 | sanmarcos | -i is case insensitive |
| 04:07.15 | sanmarcos | I suggest you man grep |
| 04:07.16 | Marshman | why use R inside file.txt lol |
| 04:07.30 | Marshman | its for directories |
| 04:07.31 | sanmarcos | well I am used to it |
| 04:07.33 | Marshman | yes i tried that already sanmarcos |
| 04:07.36 | enouf | I misunderstood what you were trying to do ...that's why I saod lose the -R |
| 04:07.39 | sanmarcos | and wtf is the rpoblem then? |
| 04:07.48 | Marshman | grep -Ri *kafra* npc |
| 04:07.51 | Marshman | ok |
| 04:07.53 | Marshman | i will say it one last time |
| 04:07.56 | Marshman | I am trying to find a STRING |
| 04:07.56 | sanmarcos | use quotes!!! |
| 04:08.01 | Marshman | i tried quotes already |
| 04:08.02 | sanmarcos | use more quotes!!! |
| 04:08.02 | Marshman | didnt work |
| 04:08.06 | sanmarcos | what is the problem? |
| 04:08.09 | Marshman | let me finish |
| 04:08.18 | Marshman | im trying to find the word "kafra" |
| 04:08.19 | sanmarcos | strings file | grep "mystring" ? |
| 04:08.22 | Marshman | inside the NPC folder. |
| 04:08.23 | enouf | hehehehe __> use more quotes |
| 04:08.26 | Marshman | LTE EM FINISH |
| 04:08.28 | enouf | roflmao |
| 04:08.34 | Marshman | and inside the npc folder |
| 04:08.42 | Marshman | theres 4 different folders therefore -R |
| 04:08.49 | Marshman | and im trying to look inside a .txt file |
| 04:09.14 | sanmarcos | man find |
| 04:09.17 | Marshman | wow |
| 04:09.22 | Marshman | man brain. |
| 04:09.37 | Tallu | guesses: 0 time: 1:07:59:07 (3) c/s: 4194 trying: bluldyy starting to not be fun haha.. ah well. atleast i can be somewhat sure the passwords are safe :) |
| 04:10.18 | Marshman | so |
| 04:10.21 | Marshman | anyone have any idea |
| 04:10.27 | Marshman | im trying to find a string inside a .txt file |
| 04:10.31 | sanmarcos | I already told you!! |
| 04:10.32 | sanmarcos | man find |
| 04:10.37 | Marshman | OMFG. |
| 04:10.39 | Marshman | man brain. |
| 04:10.47 | Marshman | so guys any idea? |
| 04:10.55 | sanmarcos | $ find . -name '*.html' -exec grep 'myfuckingstring' {} \; |
| 04:11.06 | Marshman | there you go ill try that out |
| 04:11.07 | sanmarcos | fucking hell is it so hard to read the fscking manpage!! |
| 04:11.10 | enouf | man quotes! |
| 04:11.14 | Marshman | sanmarcos. |
| 04:11.29 | enouf | roflmaosfhn |
| 04:11.31 | Marshman | the fact that a help channel tells you to either search google & man things. |
| 04:11.41 | Marshman | doesnt show much of a purpose |
| 04:11.53 | Marshman | you might as well mute the whole channel and put "Search google & Man things" |
| 04:12.03 | sanmarcos | you cant be baby fed all your life. Read the fucking manual. The find man page is well layed out, within two seconds you could have figured out how to do what I told you |
| 04:12.05 | Marshman | cus thats the only thing that happens here when someone asks for help. |
| 04:12.10 | Marshman | HAVE YOU CONSIDERED I READ THE MANUAL/ |
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| 04:12.14 | Tallu | It does if its basic stuff. Usually I like to be told where to look myself, cause that'll actually help me understand the commands as well |
| 04:12.16 | Marshman | the fuck are you stuipd |
| 04:12.25 | sanmarcos | when you ask smart, intelligent, detailed questions that are not easibily found in manpages, I will answer |
| 04:12.31 | Marshman | i dont mind being told what to look at but it was a quick question |
| 04:12.35 | Marshman | and ive been pondering the manuals already. |
| 04:12.42 | sanmarcos | obviously, not enough |
| 04:12.47 | Marshman | wow just shut the fuck up |
| 04:12.51 | Marshman | ill go test the find now |
| 04:13.03 | Marshman | and thanks for the help |
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| 04:13.19 | sanmarcos | I just put you on my ignore list. Goodbye |
| 04:13.23 | Marshman | give a fuck |
| 04:13.46 | njaard | uh. can anyone confirm that the kernel.org mirror of debian is broken? |
| 04:14.08 | sanmarcos | njaard, url? |
| 04:14.18 | sanmarcos | broken, as in unreachable? |
| 04:14.19 | njaard | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 04:14.29 | njaard | broken as in out of date packages and such |
| 04:14.56 | sanmarcos | well if it is, just use another mirror |
| 04:15.07 | njaard | this has been the case for far too long |
| 04:15.18 | sanmarcos | checking the dates should be proof enough |
| 04:15.21 | njaard | and what's more is that the berkeley mirror has the same problem |
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| 04:15.35 | njaard | I sent them an email but got no reply |
| 04:15.54 | sanmarcos | use the official mirror. With so many people thinking that it is slow, nobody uses it, so its actually very fast |
| 04:16.06 | sanmarcos | or check apt-spy |
| 04:16.09 | njaard | shh. don't tell anyone ;) |
| 04:16.27 | Tallu | apt-spy sounds interesting. have to look that up. :) |
| 04:17.24 | Vasistha | njaard: there have been quite a few reports of the kernel.org mirror not working. Try USC |
| 04:17.34 | njaard | USC does indeed work |
| 04:17.40 | Vasistha | ...that was fast! |
| 04:17.52 | Marshman | hm find didnt work. |
| 04:17.59 | njaard | Vasistha: it's just very annoying, because I am very close to kernel.org geographically, and it's always super fast for me |
| 04:18.09 | Vasistha | njaard: d'oh |
| 04:18.10 | enouf | Marshman : obviously if you don't know the name of the file within which you string lies, you'll (grep) have to be able to search all strings in all files (somehow) and I know there's a simple solution, whether it's a combo of grep w/piping, perhaps awk, sed, and/or 'find' ...whatever (IIRC, 'find -t text "stringname" /npc/*/' something like that-ish |
| 04:18.43 | sanmarcos | wow.. no words :) |
| 04:18.52 | njaard | running apt-spoy |
| 04:18.53 | njaard | spy |
| 04:18.55 | njaard | it's too slow ;) |
| 04:18.55 | Marshman | hm |
| 04:18.59 | Marshman | find: invalid predicate `-t' |
| 04:19.05 | Vasistha | Marshman: I'll be happy to help you if you'll /join #bash |
| 04:19.17 | jetscreamer | it's pinging every server in the world and beyond |
| 04:19.17 | njaard | Marshman: -type is what you want |
| 04:19.30 | jetscreamer | of course it's slow you didn't pay for the gigaquad dsl |
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| 04:19.45 | Marshman | hmm doubt it njaard invalid arguement |
| 04:19.47 | Marshman | i dont htink it is type |
| 04:19.52 | njaard | jetscreamer: yes I did |
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| 04:20.30 | jetscreamer | dman dude.... you better call customer svc and tell them you're being ripped off |
| 04:20.46 | njaard | at work we have an internal mirror |
| 04:20.57 | njaard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.59 | njaard | ;) |
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| 04:22.16 | kdean06 | How do I append a revision number using apt-build? |
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| 04:23.04 | ryty | I receive a "ERROR: version mismatch - 2D module [8.27.10] incompatible with OGL client module [8.26.18]." when trying GLX apps using the newest kernel and the newest FGLRX driver, anyone know why? |
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| 04:23.24 | enouf | Marshman: '-type f' |
| 04:24.50 | enouf | Marshman: then PATH then "string" - is what the man page seems to indicate |
| 04:25.32 | sanmarcos | njaard, how did you execute apt-spy, what args? |
| 04:25.53 | njaard | apt-spy -d unstable -a north-america |
| 04:25.58 | njaard | apt-spy is a piece of crap |
| 04:26.06 | njaard | it overwrites your sources.list with no remorse |
| 04:26.17 | njaard | and it picked the University of Chicago! |
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| 04:27.08 | jetscreamer | the factoid tells you to back it up iirc,or is it that it will back it up |
| 04:27.21 | jetscreamer | !tell njaard -about apt-spy |
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| 04:27.30 | simonrvn | meh, forgot it won't go past 500-550 MHz :/ |
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| 04:28.13 | bluefox83 | what the hell tries to start something called termwrap? |
| 04:28.50 | bluefox83 | that is supposedly located in /usr/sbin/termwrap |
| 04:28.52 | sanmarcos | njaard, its always good to have backups |
| 04:30.07 | njaard | well, it was backed up |
| 04:30.17 | njaard | but apt-spy is still a piece of crap :) |
| 04:30.30 | njaard | Need to get 124MB/196MB of archives. |
| 04:30.30 | njaard | damn |
| 04:30.41 | sanmarcos | what are you on, 14 baud? |
| 04:30.50 | njaard | my harddrive is a 14 baud |
| 04:30.55 | njaard | it'll take more time to install than to download |
| 04:31.06 | njaard | that reminds me to write that letter to toshiba |
| 04:31.08 | njaard | before I take them to court |
| 04:31.10 | njaard | bastards. |
| 04:31.11 | sanmarcos | leave it working and go have a quickie |
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| 04:31.21 | njaard | sanmarcos: superb advice |
| 04:31.26 | enouf | simonrvn : what won't - a 650? |
| 04:31.33 | njaard | no, actually I'm supposed to eat and go see family |
| 04:31.37 | njaard | not for a quicky. |
| 04:31.39 | njaard | ie |
| 04:31.41 | sanmarcos | the 677 was fine |
| 04:32.18 | bluefox83 | ok, how do i find out what is trying to run something called termwrap? |
| 04:32.35 | enouf | ps ax perhaps |
| 04:33.01 | njaard | blackelf: write a shell script that prints pstree and its pid to a file, and call it termwrap, and stick it in /bin |
| 04:33.34 | njaard | bluefox83: ^^^ :) |
| 04:34.00 | bluefox83 | enouf: s'not helping.. |
| 04:34.05 | sanmarcos | fuser, lsof maybe |
| 04:34.24 | sanmarcos | #bash might be more helpful |
| 04:36.05 | njaard | use my idea. I have a computer science degree |
| 04:36.09 | terminal|giga | could someone help me out with my sound issues in etch? |
| 04:36.25 | sanmarcos | !tell terminal|giga about ask |
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| 04:36.41 | njaard | mornfall: hi |
| 04:36.44 | terminal|giga | ok |
| 04:36.46 | njaard | mornfall: they're being useless in here still |
| 04:37.12 | terminal|giga | I'm having a problem with my sound card not being properly detected or installed in debian etch with the 2.6 kernel |
| 04:37.16 | terminal|giga | i think it is a udev issue |
| 04:37.19 | terminal|giga | but i have no idea of where to start |
| 04:37.27 | terminal|giga | debian has been so good with just working |
| 04:37.27 | bluefox83 | how do i see what cron is trying to run? |
| 04:37.35 | terminal|giga | that i have not had to fiddle with much |
| 04:37.44 | njaard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.45 | ryty | terminal|giga: logs, start with logs |
| 04:37.51 | terminal|giga | ok |
| 04:37.57 | terminal|giga | let me check those |
| 04:37.58 | sanmarcos | bluefox83, it logs to syslog I believe |
| 04:38.15 | sanmarcos | terminal|giga, try dmesg |
| 04:38.19 | sanmarcos | terminal|giga, what soundcard is it? |
| 04:38.22 | sanmarcos | try lspci |
| 04:38.44 | sanmarcos | !tell terminal|giga about sound |
| 04:39.01 | bluefox83 | no, i mean where does cron keep it's list of stuff it runs? |
| 04:39.06 | njaard | every day i get an email from my bank reminding me that I'm broke |
| 04:39.14 | bluefox83 | like a cron.conf or something |
| 04:39.17 | njaard | bluefox83: crontab -e for each user, and /etc/cron.d |
| 04:39.19 | enouf | bluefox83 : can you describe the issue more clearly ? |
| 04:39.21 | njaard | er |
| 04:39.30 | njaard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.40 | njaard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.49 | terminal|giga | sanmarcos, it's an ess elegro sound car |
| 04:39.52 | terminal|giga | *card |
| 04:39.53 | enouf | oh I see - cron ...ok |
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| 04:40.27 | sanmarcos | !tell bluefox83 about cron |
| 04:40.39 | enouf | bluefox83 /etc/cron.d and .etc.cron* and man cron |
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| 04:41.18 | terminal|giga | ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory |
| 04:41.26 | bluefox83 | ok, here's the deal..when i start debian it boots up...goes through it's regular boot sequence...then it gets stuck with this wierd error..i'll try and give it to you here |
| 04:41.30 | terminal|giga | i think it has to do with the etch upgrade not upgrading OSS to alsa |
| 04:41.35 | Vasistha | *its |
| 04:41.44 | njaard | terminal|giga: modprobe alsa-oss or something like that |
| 04:41.59 | njaard | terminal|giga: oss emulation so that alsa, which is shit, works like an oss driver |
| 04:42.07 | Vasistha | terminal|giga: I can give you the major and minor for mknod if you need |
| 04:42.07 | njaard | except bloatier |
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| 04:42.10 | enouf | bluefox83: is this still in a chroot? |
| 04:42.29 | bluefox83 | enouf: no, i'm booted into the installation |
| 04:42.33 | bluefox83 | using irssi |
| 04:42.58 | bluefox83 | i've already made sure it's not cron, the crontab thingy is empty |
| 04:43.02 | enouf | bluefox83: error ? |
| 04:43.19 | bluefox83 | holdon..i have to type it out |
| 04:43.50 | bluefox83 | /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/termwrap: No Such File or Directory |
| 04:43.55 | kdean06 | Does anyone know how, or if it's possible, to append a revision number using apt-build? |
| 04:44.23 | ryty | kdean06: that's why the programs have man pages :-) |
| 04:44.45 | kdean06 | ryty, I checked the man page, and if it is an option, it's not documented. |
| 04:44.56 | ryty | google...? |
| 04:45.20 | enouf | I don;t have any termwrap here 0 but it sounds like a terminal wrapper eh? |
| 04:45.20 | bluefox83 | /bin/sh: line 0: exec: /usr/sbin/termwrap cannot execute: No Such File or Directory |
| 04:45.24 | kdean06 | ryty, Nothing useful. apt-build is poorly documented, at best. |
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| 04:45.35 | bluefox83 | and now it's in my window for irssi... |
| 04:45.38 | terminal|giga | njaard, Vasistha, thanks for the help which i may need soon but it turns out that i was missing alsa-base and alsa-utils dpkgs |
| 04:45.50 | terminal|giga | because alsaconf works now |
| 04:46.50 | bluefox83 | how do i kill a terminal wrapper? or even get rid of the dang thing? |
| 04:47.22 | ryty | kdean06: looks like a manual debian/... edit |
| 04:47.59 | terminal|giga | njaard, Vasistha, thanks for the hellp but all i needed was to install alsa-base and alsa-utils, re-run alsaconf |
| 04:48.02 | terminal|giga | and baddabing |
| 04:48.33 | kdean06 | ryty, I had hoped to avoid that, but what must be done, must be done. Or, I could add the option into apt-build myself. :) Thanks for the help. |
| 04:48.38 | DocOC | yeah, apt-get install baddabing fixes most anything. |
| 04:48.43 | enouf | bluefox83 : I have no idea - but 'apt-cache rdepends irssi' make sure you have all installed |
| 04:49.13 | enouf | baddabing - baddaboom |
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| 04:49.47 | enouf | yabba-dabba-doo |
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| 04:50.07 | aryal | debian unstable, apt-get upgrade gets me a bunch of 404s anything funny going on recently? |
| 04:50.33 | ryty | aryal: time for an update? |
| 04:50.39 | aryal | ryty: did that. |
| 04:50.47 | terminal|giga | are you using etch or testing or unstable? |
| 04:50.48 | ryty | aryal: time for a new list of sources? |
| 04:51.19 | gteppel | Has anybody here installed pure-ftpd, in Debian is there a file that I can setup startup options? Or should I just modify the init.d script and add in the startup options manually. |
| 04:51.20 | bluefox83 | what disables stuff if it respawns too quickly? |
| 04:51.23 | aryal | terminal|giga: unstable |
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| 04:51.44 | Ryengoth | anyone familiar with mailutils-imap? |
| 04:51.50 | aryal | ryty: other than http.us.debian.org ? |
| 04:51.51 | ryty | aryal: put your sources.list on pastebin |
| 04:52.00 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: what do you mean? |
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| 04:52.45 | ryty | aryal: should be something similar to this though... |
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| 04:52.48 | ryty | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:52.48 | ryty | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:52.51 | IndridCold | hi guys |
| 04:52.51 | bluefox83 | Ryengoth: one of the errors i keep getting is that ID "1" is reswaning too fast: disabling |
| 04:52.58 | bluefox83 | *respawning |
| 04:53.06 | IndridCold | I was wondering, is it possible to install debian from an NFS ? |
| 04:53.12 | ryty | IndridCold: yes. |
| 04:53.24 | terminal|giga | aryal, try using etch and using the ftp.debian.org server |
| 04:53.29 | IndridCold | My laptop, has issues reading the debian DVD you see. |
| 04:53.30 | terminal|giga | it's what i use and have had no problems |
| 04:53.35 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: init will control out-of-control spawning. Check your inittab |
| 04:53.40 | IndridCold | So I was thinking about setting up some kind of win32 NFS |
| 04:53.42 | IndridCold | if that exists |
| 04:53.50 | IndridCold | and have it use the dvd in my xp box |
| 04:53.57 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: id "1" is crashing or re-running too quickly |
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| 04:53.58 | aryal | ryty: pastebin? i've used it before just can't remember how to get to it.. |
| 04:54.04 | ryty | pastebin/com |
| 04:54.08 | ryty | pastebin/com* |
| 04:54.10 | ryty | damnit. |
| 04:54.17 | aryal | heh |
| 04:54.17 | ryty | pastebin.com |
| 04:54.40 | aryal | musta been thinking of another channel... |
| 04:54.51 | IndridCold | another thing |
| 04:55.00 | IndridCold | is it possible to tell it to install from a local FTP server ? |
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| 04:55.02 | Ryengoth | I started getting squirrelmail and Outlook disconnections from mailutil-imap, but I can telnet to it and look through all the folders. |
| 04:55.44 | bluefox83 | ack! |
| 04:55.44 | ryty | IndridCold: if it's a Debian repository..it should work, I believe |
| 04:55.44 | bluefox83 | brb it's pushing through irssi again |
| 04:56.02 | IndridCold | ryty: I was just going to copy my dvd to a folder and whack it on FTP |
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| 04:56.28 | bluefox83 | that was annoying |
| 04:56.36 | bluefox83 | ok, where do i find inittab? |
| 04:56.52 | aryal | ryty: eh.. pastebin flaking out on me. the concerned line is this: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:57.00 | Ryengoth | IndridCold: DVD would be faster, why do you want to install a full distro from local FTP? |
| 04:57.05 | ryty | IndridCold: Not sure if that would work. If you have an FTP server...you could also setup NFS, which is probably more desirable |
| 04:57.20 | IndridCold | Ryengoth because this machine has serious issues with my debian DVD |
| 04:57.27 | IndridCold | despite me burning the ISO twice |
| 04:57.32 | IndridCold | and it working on other boxes |
| 04:57.34 | ryty | aryal: take out the http. |
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| 04:57.53 | ryty | and put ftp. |
| 04:58.08 | aryal | the two differences that i can see are s/http\.us/ftp.us/;s/debian\//debian/ |
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| 04:58.47 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: /etc/inittab |
| 04:58.47 | bluefox83 | ok...fixed the inittab |
| 04:59.00 | ryty | aryal: simple, really, try the ones I pasted in a little bit ago |
| 04:59.01 | terminal|giga | aryal, yeah use ftp.debian.org |
| 04:59.08 | terminal|giga | and change unstable or testing to etch |
| 04:59.16 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: "init q" to restart init |
| 04:59.21 | terminal|giga | and then do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 04:59.23 | terminal|giga | boom |
| 04:59.47 | aryal | terminal|giga: you sound like the guy from the infomercial of ka-boom ;) |
| 04:59.58 | bluefox83 | Ryengoth: nothing happened..no errors or outputs...is that a good thing? |
| 05:00.03 | Ryengoth | IndridCold: Ok.. that makes sense. |
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| 05:00.16 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: yeah |
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| 05:00.42 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: anytime you make changes to inittab, you have to restart init for changes to take affect |
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| 05:00.49 | bluefox83 | ah |
| 05:00.54 | terminal|giga | aryal, yeah |
| 05:00.55 | terminal|giga | haha |
| 05:00.55 | bluefox83 | shoulda i reboot to see if i fixed it? |
| 05:01.01 | terminal|giga | aryal, but what i am telling you works |
| 05:01.05 | terminal|giga | KABOOM! |
| 05:01.06 | terminal|giga | lol |
| 05:01.12 | terminal|giga | ZIP! ZAM! ORANGE CLEAN!!! |
| 05:01.18 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: no, init q will restart it. Any spawning issues or syntax problems will show immediately |
| 05:01.23 | Ryengoth | gah |
| 05:01.23 | aryal | ftp.us.debian.org resolves to 204.152.191.7 does that sound right? |
| 05:01.32 | sanmarcos | no |
| 05:01.39 | Ryengoth | *strangles imap* |
| 05:01.40 | aryal | terminal|giga: it's oxy-clean |
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| 05:02.24 | Guerin | !tell ryty about away |
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| 05:02.41 | terminal|giga | OXY CLEAN! GWAR@!!!! |
| 05:02.42 | aryal | Ryengoth: pop3 swaggers about with a sly smirk |
| 05:02.42 | terminal|giga | loll |
| 05:02.56 | Ryengoth | :P |
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| 05:03.19 | Ryengoth | hey, how do I clean a borked package out of dpkg |
| 05:03.26 | Ryengoth | I removed the info files already |
| 05:03.42 | Guerin | Ryengoth: man dpkg |
| 05:03.49 | Ryengoth | *grumble* |
| 05:04.11 | Guerin | !gothsmite Ryengoth |
| 05:04.13 | Ryengoth | dpkg --purge doesn't work |
| 05:04.19 | Ryengoth | it's "not installed" |
| 05:04.19 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 05:04.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 05:04.28 | Ryengoth | yet update keeps wanting to update it |
| 05:04.29 | Guerin | Ryengoth: then you have nothing to worry about |
| 05:04.36 | Guerin | Ryengoth: so let it. |
| 05:04.41 | Ryengoth | O_o |
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| 05:08.03 | bluefox83 | ok, X wont start cus of something to do with font paths? |
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| 05:09.17 | Guerin | !x font |
| 05:09.18 | bluefox83 | like, no font paths found or something? |
| 05:09.25 | Guerin | !xfonts-base |
| 05:09.27 | Latino | a corrupt xorg.conf |
| 05:09.29 | Latino | ? |
| 05:09.36 | Guerin | damnit, dpkg knows about this |
| 05:09.42 | aryal | bluefox83: 'grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log' or 'grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log' |
| 05:09.43 | bluefox83 | very possible..this install has been broken for a while.. |
| 05:09.57 | Guerin | bluefox83: /msg dpkg set up x; should fix it |
| 05:10.03 | aryal | !dpkg-forgetting-stuff? |
| 05:10.14 | aryal | ;) |
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| 05:11.04 | aryal | debian.uchicago.edu to the rescue! |
| 05:11.09 | bluefox83 | say no to the frame buffer? O.o |
| 05:11.47 | Guerin | the kernel framebuffer is bad |
| 05:11.57 | Guerin | in the cases where it isn't bad, you already know it isn't bad |
| 05:12.18 | Guerin | it's mostly there to support fucked old hardware which (I think) is not vesa compliant |
| 05:12.38 | aryal | do any of you guys know of a way to run OO.o without X (in the background). need it for some UNO stuff. i know this is #OO.o question. but i doubt i'll find someone highly clued in on X over there.. |
| 05:12.44 | Tallu | Uh, this is a very dumb question, but..where can I check / edit the domain I set my computer to act a part of.. I mean /etc/hosts is for the computer name, but I can't seem to find the domain |
| 05:12.53 | Guerin | aryal: i really doubt it's possible. |
| 05:13.06 | aryal | bummer |
| 05:13.12 | Tallu | Google wasnt really my friend on this one, I suppose it was too simple :P |
| 05:13.12 | Guerin | aryal: your best bet is probably to run it on a remote x server |
| 05:14.01 | bluefox83 | ok...for some strange reason it says there are some fonts directories missing...and lists them (they're too long for me to type >.> |
| 05:14.34 | aryal | Guerin: i really need to run OO.o on a server. but on servers i do minimal install (and run minimal things). so a minimal implementation of X or some such would be nice. i was hoping for something that would fake the X stuff so that OO.o could be run in the background. |
| 05:14.34 | sanmarcos | Ross has cheap clothes because its the stuff rejected from the mainstream, ie defectives, right? |
| 05:15.32 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: you may have to install a fonts package separately |
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| 05:16.08 | grendelson | Is there a debian linux 2.6 kernel with scsi emulation apready compiled in? |
| 05:16.09 | Guerin | aryal: for remote x you only need x client stuff. They'd get installed with oo.o anyhow. |
| 05:16.23 | Guerin | grendelson: emulation for what? |
| 05:16.31 | Guerin | you're not talking about ide-scsi, i hope |
| 05:16.47 | grendelson | I cant get any of my cd burners to write a cd un der 2.6.15 - wont recognize any media - thinking that scsi eulation may be only way to go - but I have stuff that depends on 2.6... |
| 05:16.51 | Guerin | if you are, honey badgers are going to burrow into your eye sockets and eat your brain |
| 05:16.54 | grendelson | Guerin, I am |
| 05:17.06 | Guerin | grendelson: use ide-cd, it works. |
| 05:17.09 | grendelson | I can't get a darned cd to burn in anything on my machine. |
| 05:17.22 | bluefox83 | Ryengoth: what fonts package should i install? |
| 05:17.41 | karma | does anyone know if there's a package that can support reading ".dmg" under Debian? |
| 05:17.59 | grendelson | Guerin, I wish it did - I get errors about medai or drive not ready adn I can pop the disk and pop it in my windows a;ptop and burn the iso no prob... |
| 05:17.59 | aryal | Guerin: i need to use OO.o running as a server. man i wish they hadn't overloaded the word 'server'. so i couldn't care less about the client-server aspect of X. i'm interested in the client server aspect of OO.o. since i have software that works as a client connecting to OO.o running as a server. |
| 05:18.00 | karma | I want to download a mac os X dvd disc image |
| 05:18.11 | karma | and burn it |
| 05:18.13 | grendelson | Guerin, But the honey badgers sound interesting! |
| 05:18.13 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: apt-cache search xfont |
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| 05:18.32 | bluefox83 | Ryengoth: i'm asking for recommendations, not what to look for |
| 05:18.48 | Guerin | aryal: oh. |
| 05:19.08 | Guerin | karma: don't tell us your problems |
| 05:19.20 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: xfonts-base and xfonts-100dpi |
| 05:19.33 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: unless you need cryllric or unicode |
| 05:19.36 | Guerin | !pixiessmite aryal |
| 05:19.41 | Guerin | there you go |
| 05:19.44 | Ryengoth | s/cryllic/cyrillic |
| 05:19.53 | aryal | Guerin: anyhow, my question boils down to this.. is there a minimal X server (i need it to just launch one app: OO.o) don't need the networking of X, doesn't even have to really display anything - or a really crappy display is fine.. |
| 05:20.02 | Guerin | something to do while you delegate someone else to fix the problem |
| 05:20.10 | aryal | Guerin: didn't quite get that smite: woosh.. |
| 05:20.16 | karma | guerin: not a problem, wondering if debian has capability to read dmg |
| 05:20.19 | bluefox83 | ok..that's messed up |
| 05:20.34 | Guerin | karma: #debianppc might care |
| 05:20.47 | Guerin | aryal: you must have been born in the 1990s sometime |
| 05:21.02 | Guerin | aryal: well, there's only one x server in debian, so there's your choice. |
| 05:21.06 | Guerin | sad, but true. |
| 05:21.11 | Guerin | it's not that bulky, though. |
| 05:21.19 | Guerin | nowhere near as huge as oo.o |
| 05:21.20 | bluefox83 | i installed the xfonts-100dpi package..when it was done it said that the directory iti should have made for the font stuff..does not exist... |
| 05:21.29 | bluefox83 | i think there is something wrong with my fonts directory... |
| 05:21.46 | aryal | Guerin: uh, XFree86 and Xorg are one? started out as the same codebase, sure. |
| 05:22.12 | karma | Guerin: that channel is for debian built on ppc, and has nothing to do with my question |
| 05:22.58 | Guerin | karma: this channel has nothing to do with your question either - the difference with #debianppc is that there are lots of mactards there who care about mactardware, and might know the answer to your question |
| 05:23.08 | Ryengoth | karaa: an ISO is an ISO, regardless of the format |
| 05:23.14 | Ryengoth | s/karaa/karma |
| 05:23.15 | Guerin | aryal: there's only one per iteration, naturally. |
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| 05:23.28 | Guerin | oh, a dmg is just an iso9660? |
| 05:23.31 | bluefox83 | how do i configure my fonts? |
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| 05:23.48 | Guerin | typical crapple, making a simple thing complicated and trying to make a common thing special by dressing it up |
| 05:24.10 | Guerin | ryty: we don't care where you are or what you're doing. |
| 05:24.20 | aryal | Guerin: i know how huge oo.o is. it's like everyone is implementing their own network transperency layer. there's X, then there's OO.o's UNO... it's like twenty socket layers... i was just trying to trim the fat where possible. |
| 05:24.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:24.32 | ryty | Guerin: some do, because I was assisting them |
| 05:24.32 | Ryengoth | no, but a dmg can be converted to iso |
| 05:24.33 | Guerin | disk is cheap |
| 05:24.35 | Guerin | why worry?> |
| 05:24.57 | Guerin | Ryengoth: hah. |
| 05:25.04 | Guerin | that's hilarious. |
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| 05:25.39 | Ryengoth | that's Apple for ya |
| 05:25.47 | Guerin | yes indeed |
| 05:25.51 | Ryengoth | not that MS isn't any difference |
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| 05:25.57 | Ryengoth | different too |
| 05:26.07 | karma | Ryengoth: what package converts dmg to iso? |
| 05:26.08 | aryal | was the disk reference for me? |
| 05:26.08 | Guerin | well, that's not what mactards would have you believe |
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| 05:26.17 | Guerin | aryal: yeah. |
| 05:26.28 | aryal | Guerin: CPU/memory is not. |
| 05:26.43 | Guerin | aryal: that's true, but if it ain't running, it ain't using any. |
| 05:27.03 | Guerin | and really, it IS cheaper than at any point in the past |
| 05:27.11 | Ryengoth | karma: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040121135301830 |
| 05:27.19 | Guerin | hell, I bought a p4 2.8 box with the lot for under $300 |
| 05:27.41 | Ryengoth | karma: good luck finding something for Linux |
| 05:27.56 | Ryengoth | karma: your best bet is to convert it on OSX |
| 05:28.18 | aryal | Guerin: true.. but the layering bloat has been neutralizing it just as quickly. |
| 05:29.22 | Guerin | aryal: so true. |
| 05:29.26 | bluefox83 | ok..this is messed up...for some reason when a font package is installed..it removes the directory..whether i make it or not |
| 05:29.51 | Guerin | your best bet is just to forget about osx altogether |
| 05:30.05 | Guerin | or actually BUY the damn thing, rather than trying to get help with your warez |
| 05:31.23 | bluefox83 | has anyone here had issues with their font directories getting removed when the damn things get installed? |
| 05:31.35 | Guerin | bluefox83: ask the BTS |
| 05:31.51 | bluefox83 | Guerin: yeah i'll get right on that as soon as i can get X running... |
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| 05:32.11 | aryal | Guerin: http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm might be an interesting read. it's mostly advocating multithreading and such.. but the premise is relavent. |
| 05:32.13 | Guerin | bluefox83: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 05:32.17 | Neovdr2 | hello |
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| 05:32.36 | bluefox83 | unstable...started out as testing, then had to move back to stable and then had to move to unstable |
| 05:32.46 | Guerin | bluefox83: you made your bed, now lie in it. |
| 05:32.47 | Neovdr2 | Can someone explain how to make kde autostart on boot? |
| 05:32.47 | bluefox83 | i got further with unstable than i did with stable or testing |
| 05:32.49 | muaddib | On the site http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ what does the debian-update isos represent |
| 05:32.56 | Guerin | bluefox83: if you ant a working system I recommend you install sarge |
| 05:33.09 | Guerin | muaddib: security updates |
| 05:33.52 | bluefox83 | i'm not going backwards..specially not when i couldn't even get this far with sarge..unstable atleast boots |
| 05:34.13 | Guerin | good luck with that, then. |
| 05:34.28 | Guerin | bluefox83: if you have hardware problems on sarge, it is available with newer kernels |
| 05:34.53 | muaddib | The reason I ask is I just installed debain 3.1r2 but I need to upgrade to 2.6, for network access in order to get to sarge, but only have the 1st cd. I understand that there is a total of 14 cds. I unfortunately don't have the time to download them all. Any suggestion on an upgrade path |
| 05:35.20 | bluefox83 | Guerin: how bout we just fix my issues in unstable? |
| 05:35.34 | Guerin | muaddib: i think 2.6 kerneD[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dls are available on cd1. |
| 05:35.45 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: it's called "unstable" for a reason |
| 05:36.13 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: expect to spend time fixing stuff, if you want cutting edge stuff |
| 05:36.36 | Guerin | if not, you can bcan't be arsed. If you use unstable, you should be able to fix your own shit. |
| 05:37.06 | Guerin | fucking hell, that was a terminal fuckuppery |
| 05:37.51 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: try purging all of the X packages |
| 05:37.56 | Ryengoth | bluefox83: and re-installing |
| 05:38.06 | Guerin | he should already have done so |
| 05:38.12 | Guerin | that's what I suggested an hour ago |
| 05:38.24 | Ryengoth | Guerin: I wasn't here an hour ago. <G> |
| 05:38.56 | bluefox83 | and..since i've been bouncing between knoppix and fixing debian..chances are i didn't see it |
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| 05:42.09 | karma | GParted says it has the ability to read and detect HFS+ partitions, but it is not doing so. Is there another package that is necessary? I have "hfsplus" and other HFS-related packages... |
| 05:42.55 | enouf | Neovdr2 : doo-be-do-be-do - got kdm installed (though not really necessary i guess) - and all other kde bloat installed too? |
| 05:43.54 | Vasistha | karma: my advice would be to just use parted instead of gparted :P |
| 05:44.21 | karma | Vasistha: Right, well, I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing as I'm trying to recover data from an HFS+ parition. |
| 05:44.25 | Ryengoth | karam: what kernel are you running? |
| 05:44.30 | Ryengoth | karma too |
| 05:44.34 | karma | Vasistha: So I'm not quite sure what I would use parted to do. |
| 05:44.42 | Vasistha | karma: yow, uhm, how important is that data? |
| 05:44.51 | karma | Ryengoth: The stock Etch kernel, 2.6.15-686 |
| 05:45.30 | karma | Vasistha: Not *extremely*, it's more of a last ditch effort to copy files off before reformatting to something sane like ext3 |
| 05:45.57 | Vasistha | karma: hrm. can you mount it? |
| 05:45.58 | Ryengoth | karma: I don't know if Etch has HFS compiled in |
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| 05:46.18 | karma | Vasistha: Unfortunately, after attempting to write to it with tools from the hfsplus package, Mac OS X won't even read it. |
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| 05:46.42 | Ryengoth | I have Etch running on a couple machines, but I never looked for HFS support |
| 05:46.44 | karma | Ryengoth: Well, actually Etch is auto-mounting it as an HFS partition, which it isn;t (it's HFS+) |
| 05:46.50 | karma | So there's HFS support in there |
| 05:46.52 | Ryengoth | hm |
| 05:47.10 | Vasistha | karma: I was once able to read an hfs+ partition with debian, which mac os 9 refused to read ... I had to explicitly tell it to mount as hfs+ instead of hfs though |
| 05:47.25 | Vasistha | karma: I was unable to retrieve files with names containing forward slashes ;-) |
| 05:47.45 | karma | Vasistha: That's the problem, "mount -t hfsplus" doesn't work, it complains it's a wrong FS type |
| 05:47.51 | karma | It only accepts mount -t hfs |
| 05:47.54 | karma | Which works |
| 05:48.21 | karma | It mounts as HFS but there's like, 3 files, one of which is a ReadMe telling people that it's HFS+ and stop trying to read it as HFS |
| 05:48.24 | Tallu | Downloading 8kbytes a second, oh, the speed, oh, the joy |
| 05:48.32 | NetEcho | how would you keep debian from loading pcspkr on bootup? |
| 05:48.49 | Ryengoth | try getting the kernel source and compiling hfsplus in the kernel |
| 05:48.55 | Vasistha | karma: hrm. god, this was a long time ago. |
| 05:49.11 | karma | FWIW, I tried a couple of proprietary disk rescue programs under Mac OS X, which immediately said that the HFS+ HDD was missing Volume label information or something |
| 05:49.19 | Vasistha | karma: yeah, I remember I saw that first, too, when I first tried to mount as hfs -- that message saying to mount it as hfs plus |
| 05:49.27 | karma | Nothing was able to repair it... I was going to try and change the disk label in GParted as a last ditch effort |
| 05:49.49 | Vasistha | karma: oh, I see, ... did you try to *write* to the drive while it was mounted as HFS? :-( |
| 05:50.00 | Vasistha | karma: that could seriousl mess stuff up, I think :P |
| 05:50.03 | Vasistha | +y |
| 05:50.41 | karma | Vasistha: No, that's not what happened. I tried writing to it with tools from the hfsplus packages in Debian. |
| 05:51.19 | karma | I mounted it a non-standard way... let's see, it was "hpmount /dev/sdb9" and then "hpls" to list contents and "hpcd" and "hpmkdir" etc. |
| 05:51.41 | Vasistha | karma: I'm beginning to see how you got to the point where you wanted to use parted to rescue :P |
| 05:51.51 | karma | Vasistha: Also, I normally mounted it as read-only like so: "hpmount -r /dev/sdb9" |
| 05:51.57 | karma | Hahaha |
| 05:52.19 | Vasistha | karma: will hpmount -r not work anymore? :P |
| 05:52.51 | karma | # hpmount -r /dev/sdb9 |
| 05:52.52 | karma | hpmount: /dev/sdb9: no error (Success) |
| 05:53.05 | karma | BUT!!!!!: hpls: hpls: Unable to read file for cached Volume information. (No such file or directory) |
| 05:53.18 | karma | That's what happens when I try to hpls, or hpcd, whatever |
| 05:53.18 | Vasistha | d'oh |
| 05:53.22 | karma | It says it mounts fine... |
| 05:53.29 | karma | But I can't even check now |
| 05:53.47 | Vasistha | karma: well, you can try the parted rescue command -- I think it's 'rescue' -- but I'd use the command-line parted rather than gparted |
| 05:54.17 | karma | Ahm, okay, so, what, "parted rescue /dev/****"? |
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| 05:55.11 | Ryengoth | l8rz |
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| 05:56.09 | Vasistha | karma: I don't remember the command off the top of my head, but you *might* even have to give it sector numbers approximating where it begins/ends ... hard to say. |
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| 05:58.19 | Vasistha | karma: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/rescue.html#rescue |
| 05:59.46 | Vasistha | karma: I have no idea if gnu parted is nearly sophisticated enough to repair volume information like you seem to need :P |
| 05:59.51 | Vasistha | in fact, I rather doubt it |
| 05:59.54 | karma | Right... |
| 06:00.06 | karma | Well I have no idea how to go about fixing the Volume info |
| 06:00.20 | karma | The disk label is "mac" and there are, for some reason, 9 separate partitions on this USB HDD |
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| 06:00.28 | karma | THe 9th of which is the large HFS+ volume |
| 06:00.48 | karma | It was all made in Mac OS X so I don't really know what the hell it did to the partition tables, etc. |
| 06:00.55 | vuud | I've STFW and I still cannot find where to get glxgears (etch install). GL is apparently working, but cannot find that or glxinfo either... |
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| 06:03.12 | vuud | If someone can tell me where I can get / or why I would not have them (nvidia card) I would appreciate it |
| 06:04.08 | Vasistha | karma: yeah, HFS+ is weird, it makes a whole bunch of tiny partitions, I have no idea why. |
| 06:04.53 | Guerin | vuud: those packages used to be included in xbase-clients |
| 06:05.01 | Guerin | but the modular xorg tree might have fucked that up |
| 06:05.03 | karma | I think I've decided instead of just deleting and reformatting, I'll just wait it out with the hope that something will come along to help me get that data back |
| 06:05.13 | aryal | vuud: aptitude install xscreensaver-gl |
| 06:05.17 | bluefox83 | Cdamnit..i can't seem to generate a xorg.conf :( |
| 06:05.28 | Guerin | karma: put the drive in a mac with osx on |
| 06:05.30 | Vasistha | karma: but the hard drive in a cardboard box until further notice :-) |
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| 06:05.43 | vuud | aryal: got that already - they seem to work |
| 06:05.53 | Vasistha | Guerin: we've kinda been through it, os x won't read it :P |
| 06:05.56 | bluefox83 | i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and all i get is like 3 lines... |
| 06:06.11 | karma | yeah wha vas said :) |
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| 06:06.22 | vuud | Guerin: yeah, not any more |
| 06:06.26 | simonrvn | karma: run MOL? |
| 06:06.50 | bluefox83 | this keeps up and i'm switching to ubuntu >.> |
| 06:06.54 | simonrvn | you can run it from a cd or disk image |
| 06:07.00 | aryal | does anyone know if linux supports SA_RESTART? |
| 06:07.03 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:07.06 | karma | hm |
| 06:07.26 | Guerin | that would lead me to believe that it's a fucked hfs+ filesystem, then |
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| 06:07.58 | Guerin | bluefox83: you could just switch to non-unstable |
| 06:07.59 | vuud | Guerin: Found it... mesa-utils |
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| 06:08.12 | karma | Guerin: and what exactly does one do with a fucked hfs+ filesystem? |
| 06:08.19 | karma | to make it un fucked |
| 06:08.30 | Guerin | karma: i recommend dropping it from a high height |
| 06:08.36 | karma | heh it's tempting |
| 06:08.44 | Guerin | better if you leave it inside the mac when you drop it |
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| 06:11.22 | martianixor | hi |
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| 06:12.01 | martianixor | anyway to install using the netinst iso image from on the harddisk? |
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| 06:13.08 | martianixor | i don't think so |
| 06:13.43 | peterS | martianixor: there's always a way, I don't know if there's a convenient way |
| 06:14.08 | martianixor | it's just my cdrom has broke down and i was trying to find another way around |
| 06:15.12 | martianixor | i know that i need at least a bootable cd to start then choose installing from the harddisk |
| 06:15.13 | peterS | martianixor: the hd-media install may be for you - typically you boot from a USB flash drive |
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| 06:15.44 | Kevin` | @find bin/ldd |
| 06:15.45 | peterS | martianixor: there should be _some_ instructions in the debian installation manual, but I haven't looked at it recently to see how good the instructions are |
| 06:15.59 | peterS | Kevin`: it's in libc6 |
| 06:16.07 | peterS | which you probably already have installed |
| 06:16.07 | martianixor | peterS, actually i don't have a USB Fash drive |
| 06:16.24 | peterS | martianixor: oh, I thought everyone had those these days. maybe you have an ipod you can use as one? (: |
| 06:16.24 | simonrvn | peterS: i sure hope so ;) |
| 06:16.51 | martianixor | i'm sorry peterS don't have that as well |
| 06:16.51 | liable | martianixor: i believe you can boot with the hard drive media kernel, and point it to the iso if you dont have a good net connection |
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| 06:17.02 | Kevin` | I have a linux driver I can use as one, yay :) |
| 06:17.40 | martianixor | i'm thinking of a crazy thing, which is my mobilephone's memory |
| 06:17.48 | peterS | martianixor: hehe |
| 06:17.48 | martianixor | mobile phone* |
| 06:17.53 | martianixor | heh |
| 06:18.10 | martianixor | it's the only thing i can connect via usb availabe here right now |
| 06:18.30 | peterS | does it present itself as a usb-storage device? if so, the bios may be able to boot with it, and you may be in business |
| 06:18.31 | Guerin | there's very likely never going to be a linux driver |
| 06:18.34 | Guerin | unless it's UMS |
| 06:19.01 | Guerin | cellphone manufacturers are about the worst in the world when it comes to supporting !windoes |
| 06:19.10 | martianixor | peterS, yea i know it's only 64MB memory card |
| 06:19.49 | Kevin` | so turns out i've been building the wrong toolchain version for the past hour or so |
| 06:19.53 | bluefox83 | i have never had this much freakin trouble with debian..i am so disapointed -_- |
| 06:19.54 | peterS | martianixor: the etch installer claims that you need at least a 256 MB drive for the hd-media install. I don't know where they get that number though |
| 06:19.55 | Kevin` | that's what I get for reading well =p |
| 06:21.01 | jetscreamer | anybody know offhand if qdvdauthor in sid has the encoding portion finished yet, or do you still have to do that yourself? |
| 06:21.01 | martianixor | woohooo 256MB don't think so Etch i don't have that type of memory cards Etch |
| 06:21.02 | martianixor | heh |
| 06:21.43 | martianixor | time for a Flash |
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| 06:21.59 | martianixor | i think i'll wait till i buy one |
| 06:22.06 | peterS | martianixor: well if you have a zip-250 USB drive, that'll do too, I'm sure |
| 06:22.17 | peterS | even if it's 6 MB less than recommended |
| 06:22.46 | martianixor | no peterS these aren't available where i am |
| 06:23.21 | martianixor | oh i read something about 2 floppy disks |
| 06:23.43 | peterS | martianixor: yeah you can do 2 floppies if you have a working network. I forgot about that |
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| 06:24.12 | martianixor | well that would do then i'll read more about it |
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| 06:32.32 | Guerin | beer and research go together like ... |
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| 06:33.27 | aryal | unless you're researching beer |
| 06:33.40 | Guerin | i have spent many a long hour researching beer |
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| 06:33.56 | Guerin | but at the moment i'm researching the effects of violent media on children |
| 06:34.13 | Guerin | or rather, the unstated biases which underpin all such research |
| 06:35.33 | azeem | DocOC: m-a prepare is in there to make sure the kernel headers and build essential are installed, it might not be strictly necessary |
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| 06:37.14 | starscalling | FUCK |
| 06:37.20 | starscalling | I FUCKING HATE #UBUNTU |
| 06:37.25 | starscalling | ~_~ |
| 06:37.26 | apt | :/ |
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| 06:37.32 | starscalling | almost enough to quit that distro entirely |
| 06:37.36 | starscalling | friggan bastards ~_~ |
| 06:37.55 | streuner | #ubuntu |
| 06:37.59 | starscalling | yup |
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| 06:38.12 | streuner | yes, go to #ubuntu and tell them |
| 06:38.15 | nekostar | i dont know why i put up with them |
| 06:38.19 | nekostar | o im banned already |
| 06:38.20 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 06:38.21 | apt | :/ |
| 06:39.06 | Guerin | !wgaf |
| 06:39.07 | dpkg | Who Gives A Fuck? |
| 06:39.16 | nekostar | !igaf |
| 06:39.19 | nekostar | :/ |
| 06:39.35 | nekostar | mmmm ok how about this |
| 06:39.44 | nekostar | is it possible to do anything they do in ubuntu in debian ? |
| 06:39.49 | Guerin | no |
| 06:39.52 | nekostar | ive noticed that sarge is rather olderish |
| 06:40.02 | nekostar | and ubuntu tends to be a bit more progressive... |
| 06:40.04 | Guerin | sarge is built for a different purpose than ubuntu |
| 06:40.13 | nekostar | please explain ? |
| 06:40.21 | Guerin | ubuntu is like a tricked-out honda civic; sarge is like a trusty ford pickup |
| 06:40.22 | nekostar | i use debian for all my servers b/c its stable and easy to secure |
| 06:40.37 | nekostar | how stable is etch ? |
| 06:40.48 | Guerin | as stable as a piece of string |
| 06:40.48 | streuner | its called testing |
| 06:40.54 | nekostar | !_! |
| 06:40.55 | dpkg | _ is probably ALT-255 |
| 06:41.25 | streuner | but feel free to check out BTS :-) |
| 06:41.29 | nekostar | btw ? |
| 06:41.32 | nekostar | er bts ?? |
| 06:41.41 | streuner | !btssmite nekostar |
| 06:41.56 | nekostar | o: |
| 06:42.05 | nekostar | my main question would be |
| 06:42.08 | nekostar | if i run etch |
| 06:42.15 | Guerin | my main question would be: |
| 06:42.20 | nekostar | what are my chances of having spontaniously corrupted partitions ? |
| 06:42.29 | Guerin | why don't you replace your keyboard, since the enter key on yours is clearly fucked |
| 06:42.36 | nekostar | quite fucked !_! |
| 06:43.02 | nekostar | illtrytodobetteriswearandpromisedont#ubuntumeplease! |
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| 06:43.35 | nekostar | mm... anyway.... does it tend to lose partitions? |
| 06:43.51 | Vasistha | Guerin: calling a ford reliable is very questionable ... I would not compare debian to a ford |
| 06:43.54 | Guerin | !8ball will nekostar's partitions spontaneously corruptify themselves? |
| 06:43.55 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 06:44.04 | nekostar | !_________________________________! |
| 06:44.07 | Guerin | Vasistha: where I come from fords are molto reliable |
| 06:44.17 | Vasistha | "molto", huh? |
| 06:44.32 | Guerin | Vasistha: whereas tricked out honda civics tend to get thrashed and need reconditioning |
| 06:44.33 | nekostar | Guerin, Vasistha ..... depends on the ford :P had a 1970 p/u that was teh shit.... |
| 06:46.08 | nekostar | i happen to drive a 1989 mazda 323 |
| 06:46.19 | nekostar | lawl |
| 06:46.32 | streuner | Guerin: thinking in catagories like what kind of car you drive isn't that cool |
| 06:46.56 | Guerin | streuner: who said I was talking about the *driver*? |
| 06:47.05 | Guerin | streuner: anyway, just because you drive a BMW |
| 06:47.48 | streuner | well, here in .de its a status what kind of car you drive |
| 06:47.57 | Guerin | as it is everywhere |
| 06:48.02 | streuner | yeah |
| 06:49.04 | streuner | BMW stands more for dynamic and young drivers |
| 06:49.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:49.35 | streuner | PR |
| 06:49.43 | nekostar | and here in los angeles a car is status as well... i just dont give a flying rats @$$ |
| 06:49.47 | Guerin | here BMW stands for 30something yuppies who justgot made partner at their accountancy/law/insurance firm |
| 06:50.14 | Guerin | or boy racers who buy a cheap one and trick it out so they can pretend to be same |
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| 06:50.21 | nekostar | lawl |
| 06:52.11 | Vasistha | ...though some of the wealthier people I know in los angeles drive, e.g., a toyota prius, as a statement of conservation. |
| 06:52.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:52.23 | Guerin | that's california for ya |
| 06:52.23 | streuner | Guerin: yes :-) its rather expensive to export an car into .nz |
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| 06:52.47 | Vasistha | Guerin: indeed ... not just california, but los angeles, on top of that! |
| 06:53.11 | njaard | night |
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| 06:55.00 | Vasistha | man, trying to get help with 'bip' ... does *anyone* use this software? |
| 06:55.06 | Vasistha | dpkg: anyone use bip? |
| 06:55.22 | dpkg | No, no one uses bip, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:55.22 | Vasistha | damn it. |
| 06:56.39 | martianixor | how does debian handles the already partitioned space for Linux? |
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| 06:57.00 | Guerin | martianixor: how ever you tell it to |
| 06:57.02 | martianixor | i have reiserfs 2 partitions |
| 06:57.09 | Vasistha | !reiserfs |
| 06:57.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 06:57.35 | ph00 | looks like I'm the last ext2 user |
| 06:57.54 | ph00 | cool |
| 06:57.57 | martianixor | !ext2 |
| 06:57.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext2 is the standard Linux filesystem, see also resize2fs, or a 2GB filesize For larger files you need a 2.4.x kernel, *and* a glibc which has been compiled against 2.4.x kernel headers. |
| 06:58.00 | Guerin | i use ext2 for /boot |
| 06:58.01 | Vasistha | well, I use ext2 _and_ ext3 |
| 06:58.20 | martianixor | that's not the info i needed about ext2 |
| 06:58.23 | khaije1 | it also has undelete where ext3 doesn't |
| 06:58.25 | martianixor | i use ext3 |
| 06:58.29 | ph00 | I use ext2 and ... fat32! |
| 06:58.33 | ph00 | really |
| 06:58.40 | ph00 | but only on one partition |
| 06:58.41 | Guerin | undelete is a small benefit compared to journalling |
| 06:58.45 | streuner | !start a fs war |
| 06:58.46 | dpkg | FAT is too slow! |
| 06:58.47 | martianixor | but with my current Linux Distro i used reiserfs as a test |
| 06:58.52 | ph00 | yes |
| 06:58.55 | martianixor | it wasn't debian of course |
| 06:58.55 | ph00 | it is slow |
| 06:59.02 | Vasistha | ph00: I did that for a while and then I discovered explore2fs ... and moved *all* data off of the fat32 |
| 06:59.04 | Guerin | unless you have redundant power, in which case ext2 is cool |
| 06:59.17 | ph00 | and it can't handle big files |
| 06:59.21 | martianixor | so now i'm wondering if debian will automatically find my /home partition for example |
| 06:59.34 | martianixor | then ask me to format it as ext3 |
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| 06:59.48 | martianixor | or i'll have to tell the installer where it is |
| 06:59.49 | Vasistha | martianixor: are you wanting to install debian over an existing installation, and for it to detect and preserve /home ? |
| 07:00.00 | Guerin | martianixor: no. It'll find it and you have to actively tell it what to do. |
| 07:00.15 | SJr|nx | Hmmmm if I have an old 3.0r1 CD lying around, how can I upgrade it to sarge? |
| 07:00.25 | martianixor | Vasistha, Guerin answered it |
| 07:00.27 | Vasistha | SJr|nx: download a new CD image |
| 07:00.32 | Guerin | streuner: install it and then /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 07:00.35 | ph00 | I have only a 3GB fat partition wioth a stripped to the bone version of windows on it, I use it only to have voice conversation over msn |
| 07:00.39 | Guerin | SJr|nx: |
| 07:00.45 | ph00 | and mainly with one person |
| 07:00.52 | martianixor | thanks to all of you guys |
| 07:01.11 | SJr|nx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.20 | SJr|nx | thanks Guerin |
| 07:01.25 | martianixor | i don't have important data on /home so no problem |
| 07:02.03 | Vasistha | ph00: huh. I think my windows partition is about 600 MB -- that's win 98 though ... haven't booted it in nearly a year now :P |
| 07:02.50 | streuner | Guerin: so you don't drive BMW because you don't like that somebody could think you would be a yuppie? :-) |
| 07:02.56 | martianixor | Vasistha, are you serious? |
| 07:03.35 | Vasistha | martianixor: re: win 98? yeah. I have a 333 MHz box here with 192 MB RAM |
| 07:03.49 | martianixor | heh nevermind Vasistha i thought you said 600GB windows partition |
| 07:04.24 | ph00 | there's one very special person who lives some 2000 miles away, the telephone would be too expensive and I can't get her too install skype, so I'm still using windows aonce a week or so. but I'll stop taht as soon as I find some voice capable IM for linux that handles msn |
| 07:04.28 | Vasistha | martianixor: not a likely combination with the old PII-333 |
| 07:04.29 | ph00 | msn messenger |
| 07:04.52 | martianixor | Vasistha, i didn't know that it was PII |
| 07:04.53 | Vasistha | ph00: I know they're working on it. You could also try wine |
| 07:05.05 | ph00 | I tried |
| 07:05.09 | ph00 | doesn't work |
| 07:05.12 | Vasistha | heh |
| 07:05.18 | Vasistha | well, I'm not all that surprised... |
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| 07:05.21 | martianixor | Vasistha, i don't even know if it's possible to find such a thing "600GB" partition |
| 07:05.21 | Assid | heya |
| 07:05.22 | ph00 | and it's the last version |
| 07:05.46 | Assid | if im using thre bind9 debian ports, is there a way to use bind9 + mysql/pgsql ? |
| 07:05.53 | Vasistha | martianixor: oh, sure! I think ext2 would support that even |
| 07:06.09 | ph00 | but anyawy, having to use windows for one hour once a week is not big deal really... but I keep lookin, sooner or later they'll do it |
| 07:06.26 | Vasistha | ph00: perhaps jabber? maybe she'd be willing to install that? |
| 07:06.40 | ph00 | mamybe on a RAID |
| 07:06.47 | ph00 | you can get a 600GB part. |
| 07:06.50 | ph00 | maybe... |
| 07:07.09 | khaije1 | ya it would be trivial using logical volumes |
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| 07:07.20 | khaije1 | evms is very nice |
| 07:07.40 | martianixor | need coffee or some sleep before doing the install bbl |
| 07:07.56 | Vasistha | I suppose the operative word was 600GB *windows* partition :-) |
| 07:08.38 | martianixor | Vasistha, excuse me but what's windows? |
| 07:08.56 | khaije1 | oh ya, it would have to be primary too since windows can't boot from past the first 1024 or so cylinders |
| 07:09.17 | Vasistha | martianixor: I still use windows to let air into my room ;-) |
| 07:09.32 | peterS | someone needs to specify a FAT48 format so that our favorite abortion of a filesystem can scale up to today's disks |
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| 07:09.41 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 07:09.46 | Vasistha | khaije1: I don't think that's a windows issue so much as an issue with old bioses |
| 07:09.47 | xbmodder_lappy | does debian support uclibc |
| 07:09.52 | ph00 | vatisha, I gave up. I tried to get her to install linux fisrt, then skype, and eventually... I installed windows (that's always like that) the only thing I could make hger install was firefox, but she keeps using IE... |
| 07:10.07 | Vasistha | ph00: "ugh" |
| 07:10.27 | martianixor | Vasistha, i use windows just to help those who're lazy enough not to migrate to linux, and not to forget something i used to know about |
| 07:10.58 | ph00 | I stii help windows users actually |
| 07:11.01 | ph00 | still |
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| 07:11.06 | khaije1 | Vasistha: it's a windows thing for XP, i was just reading something that states Vista will have the same requirement (though i'm not sure how boot loaders figure into this equation) |
| 07:11.25 | martianixor | later Vasistha and thanks ;-) |
| 07:11.36 | ph00 | now I'm trying to scare them off Vista |
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| 07:12.44 | ph00 | like sayiong "you don't want to install a MS employee in your PC, that tells you what to do and how to do it, do you?"... that works. Many of them are actually considering doing the switch |
| 07:13.14 | Guerin | oh well |
| 07:13.16 | Guerin | let 'em |
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| 07:18.04 | poonj | is there going to be a version of skype that supports video for linux? |
| 07:18.09 | Assid | anyone here know much about bind9 ? i wanna know how to use the debian ports to link with pgsql/mysql |
| 07:18.24 | streuner | poonj: skype isn't in debian |
| 07:18.36 | liable | poonj: how would we know, ask the skype forums |
| 07:18.50 | poonj | liable, geez...I'm just wondering if anyone knows |
| 07:18.57 | poonj | forget i asked... |
| 07:19.12 | liable | poonj: i think if anyone would know, it would be them |
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| 07:20.13 | liable | poonj: considering that have only just released a beta that supports alsa, dont hold your breath.. |
| 07:20.31 | poonj | ok |
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| 07:22.28 | bluefox83 | to export you do "export $cc=/usr/bin/gcc" right? |
| 07:23.16 | Vasistha | bluefox83: take off that leading $ |
| 07:23.17 | hjubal | hi |
| 07:23.18 | liable | export CC=foo-x.x |
| 07:23.25 | bluefox83 | oh..ok |
| 07:23.56 | Vasistha | bluefox83: more like export cc="/usr/bin/gcc" |
| 07:24.10 | peterS | except he probably really means CC rather than cc, since that's what most makefiles use |
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| 07:28.10 | bluefox83 | if you guys saw how badly thiis thing is installing..you'd probably pull your hair out |
| 07:28.15 | bluefox83 | *this |
| 07:28.51 | Vasistha | peterS: duly noted |
| 07:29.00 | bluefox83 | is there a sample xorg.conf someplace in debian? |
| 07:29.09 | bluefox83 | cus right now i'm about to kill something |
| 07:29.26 | Vasistha | bluefox83: ...back...up...your...stuf... |
| 07:29.27 | jetscreamer | linux.hfds.com/debian_files/xorg.conf |
| 07:29.32 | Vasistha | +f |
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| 07:29.55 | zenwryly | anyone know of anything that can open Apple Works docs? |
| 07:30.17 | bluefox83 | Vasistha: i kinda came across that problem when i had a bad superblock on my hard drive...but thanks anyways |
| 07:30.48 | sanmarcos | the cups web interface requires no auth? |
| 07:31.10 | sanmarcos | I enabled administration through the web, but it doenst require user or password identification |
| 07:31.49 | Vasistha | zenwryly: have you searched google.com/linux ? |
| 07:31.54 | liable | sanmarcos: it does if you want to midify printers or add em |
| 07:32.08 | liable | meh, modify |
| 07:32.18 | sanmarcos | liable, it didnt ask me, was it because i am in @LOCAL whihc I guess expands to my local network? |
| 07:32.18 | zenwryly | Vasistha: yeah, not much luck |
| 07:32.27 | zenwryly | Vasistha: did you find something? |
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| 07:33.08 | liable | sanmarcos: its always asked me.. is that the first time you have used the web iface? |
| 07:33.11 | Vasistha | zenwryly: nope, just wondering if you looked :P I suppose you could do a description search on packages.debian.org but I'm rather skeptical that it would actually turn up anything |
| 07:33.16 | sanmarcos | liable, yep, just installed it |
| 07:33.23 | sanmarcos | liable, seems extremely insecure |
| 07:33.43 | zenwryly | Vasistha: yeah, tried that too |
| 07:33.56 | liable | sanmarcos: shrug, i dunno why its done that. as i said, its always asked me. |
| 07:34.29 | jetscreamer | ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/xorg.conf.5.html |
| 07:34.46 | sanmarcos | liable, ah you need to set AuthType Basic on all the Locations in cups.conf |
| 07:34.52 | sanmarcos | liable, weird it isnt used by default |
| 07:35.11 | liable | sanmarcos: i havent ever had to do anything to the conf for it to ask.. |
| 07:36.09 | sanmarcos | liable, well I have to check my debian box, maybe Ubuntu modified it] |
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| 07:36.46 | sanmarcos | liable, given it listens on local only, it seems stupid to have Allow @LOCAL |
| 07:37.10 | liable | sanmarcos: oh, if its ubuntu.. who knows wtf they do |
| 07:37.23 | sanmarcos | liable, they put usability over security, those monsters |
| 07:37.31 | sanmarcos | and I thought we shared packages |
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| 07:38.21 | sanmarcos | yeah yeah |
| 07:38.41 | sanmarcos | no need to humiliate me by putting the ubuntu label |
| 07:38.49 | sanmarcos | its like a drug |
| 07:38.54 | Guerin | why is it humiliating? |
| 07:38.59 | liable | hah, just goes to show, it *is* different :P |
| 07:39.05 | Guerin | do YOU feel like a twat for using it? |
| 07:39.14 | Guerin | instead of something hardcore like debian? |
| 07:39.15 | sanmarcos | obviously |
| 07:39.20 | Guerin | clearly |
| 07:39.29 | Guerin | you should use openbsd and be really hardcore |
| 07:39.41 | sanmarcos | yeah, *bsd is really hardcore |
| 07:39.44 | wols | netbsd on amiga or mips3k |
| 07:39.46 | sanmarcos | you can make fun of the linux people |
| 07:39.47 | wols | or acorn. that is ahrdcore |
| 07:39.56 | Guerin | be like toresbe |
| 07:39.58 | liable | oh, am i not as l33t as i could be? must get *BSD |
| 07:40.05 | Guerin | and do everything on hardware older than his mum |
| 07:40.52 | wols | liable: only the BSD folks are the true l337 masochists |
| 07:40.59 | sanmarcos | yes I just like the polish on Ubuntu, and I use it for a server |
| 07:41.28 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:41.35 | Guerin | why does a server need polish? |
| 07:42.11 | Guerin | it's like putting blue flashing LEDs on your pickup truck |
| 07:42.16 | sanmarcos | I just like polish, it shines, no ugly init messages, shorter release schedules, etc |
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| 07:42.25 | Guerin | once you do it, people get to rightly question whether you do any work in it |
| 07:42.26 | sanmarcos | the choice for a server is questionable, but I wanted to try it because of the hype |
| 07:42.32 | sanmarcos | I have to defend myself of these accusations! |
| 07:42.49 | liable | Guerin: do what? |
| 07:43.01 | sanmarcos | and I will install OpenBSD so I can learn *BSD so it will look good on my resume |
| 07:43.03 | Guerin | liable: put flashing blue LEDs on your ute |
| 07:43.15 | Guerin | sanmarcos: ... |
| 07:43.19 | liable | oh |
| 07:43.35 | Guerin | sanmarcos: you could just put 'openbsd' on your resume anyway |
| 07:43.50 | Tallu | sanmarcos: you'll say "ive installed a bsd server for my own use" in your resume? good luck with that :P |
| 07:43.59 | Guerin | right |
| 07:44.08 | Guerin | you might as well just put "i like computers very much" |
| 07:44.12 | sanmarcos | no I just put *BSD on my list of knowledge |
| 07:44.15 | liable | Guerin: people only put MACK truck mudflaps on their utes here.. i dunno whats worse :) |
| 07:44.15 | Guerin | i have three at home |
| 07:44.21 | simonrvn | no, you put it so that it highlights the skills you learned |
| 07:44.25 | Guerin | liable: haha |
| 07:44.30 | sanmarcos | simonrvn, exactly |
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| 07:44.55 | Guerin | liable: in southeast asia people PAINT japanese car logos on their tuktuks to make them cooler |
| 07:45.03 | sanmarcos | its hard to find resumes that I can copy, for this kind of field |
| 07:45.04 | Guerin | liable: by hand, with house paint and shit |
| 07:45.05 | liable | hehe |
| 07:45.16 | Tallu | sanmarcos: hahah |
| 07:45.18 | xinming | which tool is used for checking the bad blocks for a hard disk pleae? |
| 07:45.21 | simonrvn | i *had* to take a dumbass resume/cv course (gov't BS) recently so i know how to dissimulate on those stupid things |
| 07:45.49 | Guerin | ah, resumes |
| 07:45.51 | simonrvn | xinming: um, badblocks? :) |
| 07:45.52 | Guerin | we hates them |
| 07:45.55 | liable | xinming: fsck with -c option |
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| 07:46.10 | Guerin | i'm lucky enough to have applied for exactly one job since coming home, and got it |
| 07:46.10 | sanmarcos | Guerin, who? |
| 07:46.11 | simonrvn | liable: fsck you too :P |
| 07:46.20 | liable | heh |
| 07:46.22 | sanmarcos | you dont need resumes Guerin ? |
| 07:46.28 | Guerin | sanmarcos: resumes, and generally just HRtards |
| 07:46.35 | Guerin | sanmarcos: not any more, I have a job. |
| 07:46.43 | xinming | simonrvn: Isn't it in debian package pool? |
| 07:46.51 | sanmarcos | Guerin, for applying I mean, does your job involve Debian? |
| 07:46.56 | Guerin | hell no |
| 07:47.04 | sanmarcos | mcdonalds? |
| 07:47.06 | simonrvn | it's in with e2fsprogs IIRC |
| 07:47.12 | ph00 | usability over security s not such a bad idea, ubuntu is actually a great "first linux" for repented windows user (and security can't be worse than that), then anter some month on ubuntu one is used to linux enough to switch to a less noobish distro |
| 07:47.20 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:47.23 | ph00 | anyway |
| 07:47.25 | Guerin | i'm not a computer scientist, I'm *far* more interested in the intellectual/social/legal aspects of free software than the technical aspects |
| 07:47.35 | Guerin | sanmarcos: i'm a media analyst |
| 07:47.42 | sanmarcos | Guerin, self made title? |
| 07:47.46 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:47.51 | Guerin | that's actually what I am |
| 07:47.54 | liable | Guerin: you get free pr0n? |
| 07:47.57 | simonrvn | Guerin: my condolences |
| 07:48.07 | ph00 | I must have missed the answer when I got disconnected, I was asking about babylon clones for linux |
| 07:48.08 | Guerin | sanmarcos: but yeah, it oes mean I spend my work hours watching tv and listening to radio |
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| 07:48.15 | Guerin | liable: unfortunately not |
| 07:48.21 | Guerin | sanmarcos: nah, it's a good job |
| 07:48.25 | Guerin | except for talk radio |
| 07:48.25 | liable | how the fuck do i get a job watching telly? |
| 07:48.28 | Guerin | that's the pits |
| 07:48.42 | Guerin | liable: the company's based in your country, too |
| 07:48.47 | sanmarcos | I hear that you dont find IT jobs by looking online in those big sites |
| 07:48.48 | Guerin | mediamonitors..com.au |
| 07:48.50 | simonrvn | talk radio is always shite |
| 07:48.54 | Guerin | simonrvn: yes. |
| 07:49.22 | Guerin | and when I'm not at work, I'm studying media and international relations |
| 07:49.23 | simonrvn | they're usually either assholes, know-it-alls, or right-wingers (or a combo of the previous) |
| 07:49.24 | liable | ah, you havent heard "macka" on 553 'on your am dial!" :P |
| 07:49.26 | sanmarcos | bah, the best way to find jobs is through contacts, lots of them |
| 07:49.43 | Guerin | simonrvn: usually more than one of the above |
| 07:50.31 | liable | do other countries still have AM radio? |
| 07:50.38 | Guerin | liable: hell yeah |
| 07:50.43 | Guerin | it'll never die |
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| 07:50.50 | Guerin | fm coverage is just too limited |
| 07:51.14 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 07:51.18 | xinming | hmm, thanks for telling me about the badblocks program, I'll go and check now, thanks |
| 07:51.19 | xinming | bye |
| 07:51.20 | simonrvn | on both counts |
| 07:51.51 | simonrvn | you get the real crazies on shortwave ;p |
| 07:52.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:52.22 | liable | bbc is on shortwave, its the only radio we could get in some places i worked |
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| 07:52.34 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.43 | Guerin | one of the beautiful things of this world |
| 07:52.56 | Guerin | which keeps people sane in the middle of nowhere |
| 07:53.02 | liable | yerp |
| 07:53.13 | wols | bbc has a stream somewhere? |
| 07:53.23 | Guerin | wols: hell yeah, bbc.co.uk |
| 07:53.31 | sanmarcos | the bbc is the best |
| 07:53.37 | sanmarcos | npr is so so |
| 07:53.40 | simonrvn | "oh, yeh, there's a world out there. i almost forgot out here 300 km from iqaluit" |
| 07:53.52 | Guerin | aul theroux, arguably one of the most traveled people on the planet, takes a shortwave radio with him everywhere so he can listen to bbcws |
| 07:53.56 | simonrvn | though up there you'd get cbc north easier ;) |
| 07:54.13 | wols | wma and real :( |
| 07:54.18 | simonrvn | yeh :( |
| 07:54.30 | liable | mplayer cant do wma? |
| 07:54.35 | Guerin | sure it can |
| 07:54.40 | simonrvn | i'm supposed to be asleep right now ;) |
| 07:54.43 | Guerin | with win32codecs |
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| 07:57.14 | sanmarcos | so, again, how do you find a job involving gnu/linux? |
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| 07:59.06 | simonrvn | Guerin: sorry to hear about your accident little while ago, and your trip was cut short. hope you heal quickly, well, and soon. |
| 07:59.12 | sanmarcos | nobody wants to reveal their secrets |
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| 07:59.27 | simonrvn | sanmarcos: you said it yourself. contacts. |
| 07:59.40 | sanmarcos | how do you make contacts simonrvn ? |
| 07:59.47 | simonrvn | talk to people :) |
| 07:59.53 | liable | sanmarcos: be a server admin at a company running linux? |
| 07:59.57 | sanmarcos | real life, wow |
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| 08:00.20 | simonrvn | yes, it involved RL |
| 08:00.25 | simonrvn | involves* |
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| 08:04.54 | sanmarcos | wow, in RL nobody really gives a crap but about themselves |
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| 08:06.40 | simonrvn | yeh. sometimes people are like that :( |
| 08:07.08 | bluefox83 | wasn't there some program to like..alternatives or something, that configured your system to use a specific CC setting? |
| 08:07.23 | bluefox83 | like dpkg-reconfigure alternatives CC? |
| 08:07.34 | simonrvn | no |
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| 08:07.48 | bluefox83 | damn |
| 08:08.06 | pstickne | shit? |
| 08:08.15 | bluefox83 | seem to be having issues getting my system to use cc |
| 08:08.38 | liable | bluefox83: update-alternatives.. but it doesnt do cc, you generally only need to export it for compiling, say, modules, against your kernel with the same gcc version. |
| 08:09.04 | Guerin | cc needs to be done manually with aliases or symlinks, I thinke |
| 08:09.12 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:09.17 | Guerin | environment variables |
| 08:09.22 | Guerin | that's the smart way |
| 08:09.27 | pstickne | for compiling set CC env |
| 08:09.50 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:10.30 | liable | i take it theres no ban on tor here at all now? |
| 08:10.52 | Guerin | liable: there is and isn't |
| 08:11.04 | Guerin | liable: tor clients needs to connect through a particular server |
| 08:11.18 | liable | Guerin: ah, ok |
| 08:13.46 | bluefox83 | liable: my system doesn't have a cc variable set that'll work for some reason...how do i use update-alternatives? do you just update-alternatives cc ? |
| 08:14.22 | liable | bluefox83: as i said, it doesnt do cc |
| 08:14.47 | bluefox83 | ah |
| 08:14.54 | bluefox83 | so export is all i can do? |
| 08:15.21 | liable | bluefox83: what is your actuall problem? |
| 08:16.02 | Guerin | the problem is that bluefox83 insists on using sid, refuses to read documentation, and seems to lack the ability to magically figure things out for himself |
| 08:16.22 | Guerin | which is a rather important thing to be able to do if you want to ignore documentation |
| 08:17.08 | bluefox83 | well..it's 4am, i habe no X, so i can't browse the net for howto's and google forums, half my installation doesn't work... |
| 08:17.13 | bluefox83 | *have |
| 08:17.39 | Guerin | 1. sleep 2. you can still browse the web without x 3. install sarge |
| 08:17.44 | liable | bluefox83: links2 -g |
| 08:17.52 | bluefox83 | i can't seem to get X working, because when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg it doesn't generate anything |
| 08:18.08 | sanmarcos | what is the difference between formail and a .forward file? |
| 08:18.18 | Guerin | simonrvn: man procmail |
| 08:18.24 | Guerin | sanmarcos: man procmal |
| 08:18.26 | Guerin | BAH |
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| 08:18.45 | bluefox83 | liable: command not found |
| 08:19.09 | liable | !installit |
| 08:19.10 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 08:19.21 | Guerin | bluefox83: show some fucking adaptability and install the goddamn motherfucking thing |
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| 08:19.24 | Guerin | jesus |
| 08:20.04 | sanmarcos | why do computer makers still include serial ports, ps2, and floppy drives? |
| 08:20.33 | sanmarcos | I mean, when Apple removed floppy drives, they made an improvement, but in the case of schools, they have imac and external floppies. Its just ironic |
| 08:20.35 | bluefox83 | liable: well that made a lotta hoopla for nothing... |
| 08:20.39 | solars | hey, I'm getting an ImportError: No module named cookielib from a python script that uses 'from cookielib import LWPCookieJar', does anyone know which lib this requires from the debian archives? |
| 08:20.41 | Guerin | sanmarcos: they cost nothing and people use them |
| 08:20.42 | bluefox83 | i got more output than i can view |
| 08:21.03 | liable | sanmarcos: can you upgrade your bios from linux without a floppy? |
| 08:21.11 | Guerin | liable: yes. |
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| 08:21.22 | Guerin | liable: (you can boot a floppy image from cd) |
| 08:21.27 | sanmarcos | dont know, I dont care to upgrade my bios |
| 08:21.38 | liable | Guerin: note, the sanmarcos in that question! :P |
| 08:21.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:21.49 | sanmarcos | bios is deprecated, now it is the efi |
| 08:21.50 | bluefox83 | mostly, it was stuff like, i don't have a mouse configured, and stuff...even though i did that about 10 times already |
| 08:21.53 | Guerin | well, maybe HE can't but that don't make it impossible |
| 08:22.10 | sanmarcos | I can, but why would I care to upgrade a bios? |
| 08:22.13 | Guerin | bluefox83: reinstall the fucking thing and save yourself and us a lot of wasted keystrokes |
| 08:22.25 | bluefox83 | Guerin: reinstall what? |
| 08:22.30 | Guerin | bluefox83: sarge |
| 08:23.04 | bluefox83 | i'm just gonna go to bed..and in the morning i'm installing ubuntu |
| 08:23.08 | Guerin | yay |
| 08:23.17 | solars | does anyone know how to get the python module cookielib in debian ? |
| 08:23.19 | bluefox83 | since no one here seems to want people to try new things |
| 08:23.37 | bluefox83 | this is how i learn Guerin, by working through problems |
| 08:23.48 | Guerin | no, i'd *love* for you to try new things |
| 08:24.02 | Guerin | but you appear to be unwilling to follow our advice which will give you the tools to do that |
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| 08:24.14 | bluefox83 | installing unstable from scratch is new..i haven't done it before |
| 08:24.29 | Guerin | instead you want us to solve the problem |
| 08:24.52 | bluefox83 | no, i want you to help me find the solutions by answering a few simple questions |
| 08:25.03 | Guerin | bluefox83: but you miss the point: if sid X is broken, it's broken. If you can't get it fixed now, you won't when you reinstall. |
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| 08:25.22 | Guerin | bluefox83: you might think your questions are simple, but the answers you need aren't |
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| 08:25.34 | Guerin | excluding those you've been given already |
| 08:26.01 | bluefox83 | Guerin: X isn't broken, i am having issues installing my driver because my system wont fucking take the damn settings it comes up with in the config script and actually write them to a file |
| 08:26.13 | Guerin | which driver? |
| 08:26.29 | bluefox83 | nvidia or even nv |
| 08:26.52 | bluefox83 | i'd settle with the stock one right now |
| 08:26.53 | Guerin | nvidia isn't supported/supportable in debian, ask nvidia corporation |
| 08:27.10 | liable | bluefox83: as i said, links2, or learn to use a console browser. seeing as x has gone modular, you are likely missing something. learn to read logs and google for those errors before you come here. At least when you come here then, you can sya what the exact error is, and what you have tried, and that you have checked bts et al. |
| 08:27.18 | bluefox83 | it was working fine yesterday, i had doom3 and quake4 runnin |
| 08:27.20 | Guerin | regarding nv, if it doesn't work from a stock config, you have bigger problems |
| 08:27.40 | Guerin | yesterday all your troubles seemed so far away |
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| 08:28.31 | bluefox83 | liable: what could i be missing that could make "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" not output anything to any sort of file? |
| 08:29.03 | bluefox83 | xorg.conf is empty, blank |
| 08:29.07 | Guerin | bluefox83: did you check the BTS? |
| 08:29.31 | bluefox83 | i don't know how to check the BTS without X, i've never done it |
| 08:29.32 | liable | bluefox83: um, because you deleted the file? then touched it? |
| 08:29.42 | Guerin | bluefox83: THAT is what you could be missing. |
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| 08:29.48 | bluefox83 | no, i let dpkg-reconfigure do it |
| 08:29.54 | Guerin | bluefox83: lynx bugs.debian.org |
| 08:30.16 | Guerin | bluefox83: you've already been told this several times, but are clearly too stupid to take the advice |
| 08:30.32 | Guerin | either that or you prefer just whining about it |
| 08:30.50 | Guerin | in either case, good riddance - go install ubuntu |
| 08:31.21 | liable | bluefox83: xorg.conf doesnt empty itself on its own. so, you have done something to it that you are unwilling to say, or you have some alien version of debian that none of us know about. |
| 08:35.26 | bluefox83 | liable: i deleted it because the first time it ran the only thing it put in the file was couple lines about a renderer, it completely left out anything like the mouse or keyboard, the video card...or fonts |
| 08:36.13 | bluefox83 | since then, i have tried deleting it and letting teh script rebuild it..i have tried deleting it and using touch to regenerate it... |
| 08:36.13 | liable | bluefox83: oh, so we now get the truth. |
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| 08:37.05 | bluefox83 | liable: i screwed up by deleting a bad config file? |
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| 08:37.16 | Vratha | hello ! |
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| 08:37.24 | Guerin | is !xmd5 still valid? |
| 08:37.27 | Guerin | !xmd5 |
| 08:37.28 | dpkg | x md5sum is, like, If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are ... |
| 08:37.31 | Vratha | any of you know which debian package has the man pages to things like iopl(2) and printf(3)? |
| 08:37.35 | Guerin | !xorgmd5 |
| 08:37.36 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 08:37.40 | trygg | What do i do with *.py? |
| 08:37.57 | liable | bluefox83: you previously told me that you only let dpkg touch the file... |
| 08:38.09 | Guerin | trygg: whatever you like. |
| 08:38.09 | liable | bluefox83: now we know the truth |
| 08:38.20 | liable | bluefox83: so now, its easier to help.... |
| 08:38.24 | bluefox83 | liable: my apologies, i'll be more clear from now on |
| 08:38.26 | trygg | Guerin: Heh, but how do i install them? :) |
| 08:38.30 | liable | bluefox83: see how this works? |
| 08:38.42 | Vratha | oh, found it! |
| 08:38.48 | Guerin | trygg: it's probably a script that you run with 'python script.py' |
| 08:38.56 | bluefox83 | not i get to use the md5sum thing.. |
| 08:39.17 | Guerin | trygg: but you don';t want to just randomly run code if you don't know what it does |
| 08:39.58 | liable | bluefox83: really, removing config files and expecting dpkg to work is fairly simple stuff. see why we tell you not to use sid? |
| 08:40.51 | bluefox83 | !md4sumxorg |
| 08:40.54 | bluefox83 | oops |
| 08:40.59 | bluefox83 | !md5sumxorg |
| 08:41.05 | Guerin | !guess |
| 08:41.06 | dpkg | it has been said that guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 08:41.07 | bluefox83 | i bet that's wrong >.> |
| 08:41.10 | wols_ | Vratha: search via pdo. some licb6-dev package I guess |
| 08:41.11 | Guerin | don't fucking gues |
| 08:41.16 | Guerin | scroll up |
| 08:41.23 | bluefox83 | i'm doin the best i can with no scroll... |
| 08:41.35 | Guerin | shift-pgup |
| 08:41.39 | Vratha | wols_: i found it in manpages-dev :) |
| 08:41.39 | liable | bluefox83: install a descent irc client then |
| 08:41.41 | wols_ | then dicht that stupid bitchx and get irssi |
| 08:41.42 | bluefox83 | yeah...you show me how and i'll be glad to |
| 08:41.44 | Guerin | or just plain pgup if you use a sane irc client |
| 08:41.53 | bluefox83 | i'm in irssi >.> |
| 08:41.58 | Tallu | pgup |
| 08:42.01 | wols_ | then fix your term |
| 08:42.05 | bluefox83 | sweet >.> |
| 08:42.16 | Guerin | bluefox83: are you saying you don't know how to install debian packages outside x? That' the only damn excuse I can think of for not installing lynx and so on... |
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| 08:42.52 | wols_ | Guerin: he probably doesn't know lynx exists. of course no one runs lynx anyways |
| 08:43.01 | Guerin | wols_: he's been told |
| 08:43.05 | Guerin | and about links2 |
| 08:43.12 | Guerin | and hey, I still use lynx! |
| 08:43.19 | liable | wols_: hah, and what do you use when x is broken? |
| 08:43.27 | wols_ | you're an old fart. you don't count |
| 08:43.27 | bvs | he should just cave in and read the BTS on xserver-xorg |
| 08:43.33 | Guerin | he uses links2, like the kool kids |
| 08:43.33 | SuicideDog | man this cgiirc rocks .. I love debian.. later! |
| 08:43.34 | wols_ | liable: telnet to port 80. is there anything else? :P |
| 08:43.40 | sanmarcos | !apt-listbugs |
| 08:43.41 | dpkg | i heard apt-listbugs is a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 08:43.44 | Guerin | wols_: heh. How old would you guess? |
| 08:43.44 | bluefox83 | no...i just usually don't end up having to do this much terminal work to fix shit in debian |
| 08:43.51 | liable | wols_: and you call Guerin and old fart?? |
| 08:43.52 | wols_ | Guerin: links normally. and I curse it everytime I use it :) |
| 08:44.06 | Guerin | wols_: there's a reason they call it 'curses' |
| 08:44.11 | bluefox83 | btw, there's no md5sum for the xorg.conf file..so i am thinking i need to install somethign else >.> |
| 08:44.21 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:44.24 | bluefox83 | specially since my system hasn't checked md5sums of any packages >.> |
| 08:44.28 | Guerin | bluefox83: you're wrong. |
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| 08:44.51 | liable | bluefox83: well dude, once again, this is what we are saying. untill you can get comfortable with the low level shit in debian.. DONT USE SID |
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| 08:45.33 | bluefox83 | liable: how am i suppose to get comfortable with it if i never get the opportunity to fix stuff that's this broken? |
| 08:46.08 | wols_ | run testing |
| 08:46.19 | hjubal | re |
| 08:46.25 | wols_ | you will get comfortable with breakages (most of them you will make yourself) over time |
| 08:46.27 | bluefox83 | testing wont get this broken..i wont have the need to delve this deep |
| 08:46.29 | wols_ | and fix them |
| 08:46.38 | Guerin | bluefox83: you know not of what you speak |
| 08:46.44 | Guerin | testing breaks |
| 08:46.50 | wols_ | it will. sooner or later you want packages not in testing and then the fun starts |
| 08:46.59 | bluefox83 | besides, i been running unstable for 2 years now, this is the worste it's ever been..i think i just need a newer installer cd |
| 08:47.01 | wols_ | the real fun that is |
| 08:47.05 | Guerin | and anyway, you're clearly not capable of dealing with shit THIS broken. You need shit much less broken. |
| 08:47.18 | wols_ | heck, sarge gets broken as soon as you use packages from outside official debian |
| 08:47.20 | Guerin | Like fisher-price 'my first config error' |
| 08:47.28 | sanmarcos | haha |
| 08:47.45 | liable | thats qotd worthy |
| 08:47.58 | bluefox83 | pfft. the first time i installed debian..i installed it with 4 floppy disks and an iso i put on a spare partition... |
| 08:48.09 | liable | here we go.. |
| 08:48.29 | liable | the ' first used...' |
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| 08:48.44 | bluefox83 | i deal with it..just point me where i need to go once in a while..i genreally get things sorted |
| 08:48.46 | liable | hrm, there was an I in there somewhere |
| 08:48.58 | Guerin | well, i first used debian back in 1991 |
| 08:49.08 | Guerin | and it was easier then than it is today! |
| 08:49.13 | Guerin | much less documentation to read |
| 08:49.21 | bluefox83 | ok, well i first used it in 2003 |
| 08:49.28 | wols_ | Guerin: I _knew_ you were an old fart! only old farts have that bad of a memory |
| 08:49.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:49.46 | Guerin | actually, I started using linux on August 14 2003 |
| 08:49.55 | Guerin | and debian on 7 January 2004 |
| 08:49.58 | bluefox83 | i'm going to bed...i need the rest and you guys probably need relief from the headaches i'm giving you |
| 08:50.11 | section31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.36 | Guerin | section31: it contains information about logins and such. Anything that runs through pam, etc. |
| 08:50.46 | linuxadmin | where have C/C++ IRC channel ??? |
| 08:50.50 | bluefox83 | cya |
| 08:50.56 | Guerin | linuxadmin: #C or #c++ |
| 08:51.20 | Guerin | bizarre as that may seem |
| 08:51.20 | linuxadmin | Guerin: Address ?? |
| 08:51.20 | wols_ | ##C |
| 08:51.30 | wols_ | this network for starters |
| 08:51.33 | Guerin | linuxadmin: I'm nbot giving you my address, you might come to my house and ask to borrow a cup of sugar! |
| 08:51.36 | linuxadmin | thanks |
| 08:51.44 | Guerin | or worse |
| 08:51.45 | wols_ | they're almost as unfriendly as #debian, bur of course only almost |
| 08:52.02 | Guerin | invoke the traveler's universal right to a meal, a bath and a bed |
| 08:52.02 | liable | 23 prettylamb lane LAMMDBA NZ |
| 08:52.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:52.27 | Guerin | lammdba sounds like an australian name |
| 08:52.33 | Guerin | not enough w's and l's in it though |
| 08:52.36 | liable | Guerin: sorry, the channel poking must never die! :) |
| 08:52.53 | Guerin | just as long as that's all yer poking, eh |
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| 08:53.20 | liable | err, i guess 'divide' woulda been a better word. |
| 08:54.17 | liable | thank god abrotman isnt here.. |
| 08:54.33 | liable | i seem to cop all the sheep jokes.. :( |
| 08:54.57 | Guerin | well, being as you're an aussie, you're liable to provoke them |
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| 08:55.07 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 08:55.12 | liable | :P |
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| 08:55.34 | liable | hah |
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| 08:57.40 | liable | i must change my nick one day.. |
| 08:57.54 | Guerin | elbail! |
| 08:58.28 | liable | i... dont get it ?? |
| 08:58.39 | Guerin | !rev liable |
| 08:58.42 | liable | *swooosh* |
| 08:58.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:58.48 | Guerin | man rev |
| 08:59.06 | liable | oh |
| 08:59.33 | liable | that sucks even worse than my nick! |
| 08:59.36 | liable | :) |
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| 09:20.47 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:20.47 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
| 09:21.15 | yang | is there any other way to flush mozilla from the memory, than closing all mozilla applications? |
| 09:23.12 | liable | yang: you mean reset it from eating all your memory or reset it so it doesnt show the pr0n sites you just visited or what? |
| 09:24.28 | yang | reset it to eat all memory |
| 09:24.52 | liable | no. close it. |
| 09:26.12 | liable | !funny |
| 09:26.13 | dpkg | from memory, funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
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| 09:31.09 | k31th | Humm squirrelmail wont allow me to login any ideas guys ? I can login fine via ssh or via mail fat client like thunderbird |
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| 09:33.22 | k31th | was some plugin |
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| 09:34.37 | wols_ | new DSA for squirrelmail coming up soon anyways |
| 09:34.45 | Guerin | k31th: it depends on your config. Read your logs. |
| 09:34.51 | Guerin | wols_: crikey, another one |
| 09:35.00 | k31th | wats a DSA |
| 09:35.11 | Guerin | is there ANY good webmail package which isn't horrible and bloated asn hell? |
| 09:35.23 | k31th | how can i turn on bash colours ? so dirs appear as blue etc ? |
| 09:35.24 | Guerin | k31th: debian security announcement: a security hole |
| 09:35.34 | Guerin | k31th: google that question |
| 09:35.37 | k31th | Guerin: oh i see |
| 09:35.46 | k31th | ok |
| 09:35.55 | sanmarcos | i like ilohamail |
| 09:36.20 | k31th | you guys are going to hate this question, are there any webmail packages out there that "look nice" |
| 09:36.37 | Guerin | k31th: they all look like whatever you want them to |
| 09:36.54 | k31th | well you cant skin SM yet |
| 09:37.00 | k31th | 1.5 is going to support skins |
| 09:37.05 | sanmarcos | you can skin IlohaMail |
| 09:37.14 | Guerin | you can hack on the html though |
| 09:37.22 | Guerin | sanmarcos: what's it written in? |
| 09:37.37 | k31th | I dont have time to do that tho tbh |
| 09:37.41 | sanmarcos | !ilohamail |
| 09:37.47 | sanmarcos | Guerin, php |
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| 09:38.19 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:38.31 | sanmarcos | what do you want it written on? Assembler? |
| 09:38.39 | Guerin | people should write webmail clients in something which isn't horribly insecure |
| 09:38.42 | sanmarcos | php is the standard |
| 09:38.55 | Guerin | perl would be better |
| 09:39.03 | sanmarcos | eww, even worst! |
| 09:39.12 | sanmarcos | python, now that would be better |
| 09:39.21 | liable | !perlsmite Guerin |
| 09:39.32 | Guerin | there are some old shit clients written as c cgi |
| 09:39.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:39.35 | liable | hrm, now thats surprising |
| 09:39.58 | liable | perl is *definately* worth a smite :) |
| 09:40.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:41.18 | k31th | where can i download skins for IlohaMail |
| 09:41.30 | k31th | sanmarcos: ^^ |
| 09:41.31 | liable | hawaii? |
| 09:41.36 | sanmarcos | there arent any, just code them yourself |
| 09:41.38 | sanmarcos | adapt to your site |
| 09:41.44 | sanmarcos | the default skin is good enough for me |
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| 09:42.19 | k31th | i like the look of this nutsmail.com thing but i heard they are being a bit sly with the gpl |
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| 09:42.33 | k31th | so i dont want to buy from them if thats the case |
| 09:42.51 | sanmarcos | just steal it |
| 09:42.57 | sanmarcos | if its for personal use |
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| 09:43.01 | SirCosmin | ;)) |
| 09:43.09 | k31th | lol, its not |
| 09:43.12 | SirCosmin | lol sanmarcos |
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| 09:43.20 | Baloofa | question |
| 09:43.33 | sanmarcos | k31th, css is easy to adapt |
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| 09:43.41 | Baloofa | is there anywhere I can get Gnome and all its dependencies for Debian in one package? |
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| 09:43.56 | k31th | I have piles of stuff to do, and i dont have time to learn that atm |
| 09:43.58 | sanmarcos | now getting it to work with browsers, might as well book an appointment with a psychiathrist right now |
| 09:44.05 | sanmarcos | Baloofa, gnome-desktop-environment package |
| 09:44.35 | sanmarcos | I just use Iloha because it supports POP |
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| 09:44.45 | k31th | wats this horde ? |
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| 09:45.18 | Baloofa | sanmarcos, does that include all its dependencies? |
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| 09:46.53 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 09:47.00 | Baloofa | yo |
| 09:47.05 | tamiya | i'm having problems with my new debian 3.1 box |
| 09:47.30 | tamiya | i'm still newish to linux |
| 09:47.44 | Baloofa | welcome to the club lol |
| 09:48.04 | tamiya | here's the problem: I run 'apt-get install dhcp3-server' and it spits out |
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| 09:49.40 | tamiya | apt-get install dhcp3-server |
| 09:49.40 | tamiya | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 09:49.40 | tamiya | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 09:49.40 | tamiya | The following extra packages will be installed: |
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| 09:49.47 | Baloofa | does gnome-desktop-environment package include gnome and all its dependencies? |
| 09:50.02 | sanmarcos | why not fscking try it? |
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| 09:50.07 | tamiya | (Reading database ... 34616 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 09:50.09 | tamiya | Unpacking dhcp3-common (from .../dhcp3-common_3.0.1-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 09:50.11 | tamiya | Selecting previously deselected package dhcp3-server. |
| 09:50.15 | tamiya | Unpacking dhcp3-server (from .../dhcp3-server_3.0.1-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 09:50.15 | Baloofa | cuz im stuck on freakin dialup :S |
| 09:50.17 | tamiya | Setting up dhcp3-common (3.0.1-2) ... |
| 09:50.19 | tamiya | Setting up dhcp3-server (3.0.1-2) ... |
| 09:50.21 | tamiya | Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics. |
| 09:50.21 | Guerin | Baloofa: it includes what it says it includes |
| 09:50.23 | tamiya | invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "start" failed. |
| 09:50.25 | tamiya | sorry for the flood |
| 09:50.37 | Guerin | tamiya: don't be sorry, just don't do it |
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| 09:51.08 | tamiya | anyway, the dhcpd3 service fails to start |
| 09:51.17 | tamiya | how do I check the syslog? |
| 09:51.18 | sanmarcos | tamiya, sid? |
| 09:51.19 | wols_ | did you do what the error message suggests? |
| 09:51.24 | sanmarcos | tamiya, /var/log/syslog |
| 09:51.27 | wols_ | less /var/log/syslog (as root) |
| 09:51.34 | sanmarcos | tail -f, not less |
| 09:51.37 | sanmarcos | youll be sorry |
| 09:51.41 | tamiya | thanks, checking it now |
| 09:51.54 | wols_ | no you aren't. less. <end>. and you can still scroll |
| 09:52.05 | wols_ | tail only displays the last 10 lines and syslog is a busy file |
| 09:52.14 | wols_ | with cat, you'll be sorry :) |
| 09:52.33 | sanmarcos | tail -f follows |
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| 09:52.38 | sanmarcos | and you can do -nNUMBER |
| 09:53.07 | blahdeblah_ | Hi. Does Debian have a preferred *dm to use with xfce? |
| 09:53.21 | sanmarcos | no |
| 09:53.23 | Guerin | Baloofa: none. |
| 09:53.26 | tamiya | how do I manually start dhcpd? |
| 09:53.26 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: none. |
| 09:53.35 | sanmarcos | tamiya, service start dhcpd |
| 09:53.40 | Guerin | tamiya: man update-rc.d |
| 09:53.43 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: so xdm or gdm should work fine? |
| 09:53.44 | tamiya | i tried /etc/init.d/dhcpd start |
| 09:53.48 | sanmarcos | tamiya, as root |
| 09:53.48 | Guerin | sanmarcos: have you actually tried that on debian? |
| 09:53.53 | sanmarcos | Guerin, yep, it works |
| 09:54.02 | Guerin | sanmarcos: on debian, or ubuntu? |
| 09:54.08 | blahdeblah_ | sanmarcos: You've got start and dhcpd around the wrong way |
| 09:54.09 | sanmarcos | Guerin, debian |
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| 09:54.25 | Guerin | sanmarcos: must be a new thing. |
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| 09:54.27 | tamiya | service command not found |
| 09:54.32 | Guerin | yeh |
| 09:54.33 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: apt-get install sysvconfig |
| 09:54.39 | Guerin | !services |
| 09:54.40 | dpkg | i heard services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 09:54.40 | blahdeblah_ | tamiya: See above |
| 09:54.48 | lord_rob | Hi ! How can I show the frames per second in glxgears ? |
| 09:54.50 | tamiya | i thought the 'sevice' command was only on Red hat |
| 09:55.02 | Guerin | it is a red hat thing |
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| 09:55.04 | suprano_ | Hi |
| 09:55.20 | Guerin | it could just be a symlink to invoke-rc.d, which is stupidly named |
| 09:55.36 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: When you work with RH, SUSE, Ubuntu, and Debian, it's a lot easier to just install sysvconfig and use service everywhere. |
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| 09:55.58 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: in my day, sysvconfig didn't have service in it |
| 09:55.58 | blahdeblah_ | Guerin: (Plus it's *much* easier to type. ;-) |
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| 09:56.14 | blahdeblah_ | It does now |
| 09:56.16 | aubergine | Hi, how can i start KDE in Debian? |
| 09:56.20 | sanmarcos | aubergine, startkde |
| 09:56.43 | suprano_ | I want to install the nvidia driver.. i got the linux header,the source, and the tree, and in complaints about a missing version.h in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/linux i check that.. that file does not exist ther.. what do i need to do ? |
| 09:56.51 | suprano_ | *in = it |
| 09:57.01 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.01 | sanmarcos | !tell suprano_ about nvidia |
| 09:57.02 | aubergine | san: ty :P |
| 09:57.11 | wols_ | *YOUR |
| 09:57.13 | suprano_ | wols_, nope |
| 09:57.21 | suprano_ | i don't thing |
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| 09:57.49 | wols_ | unless you do, or compile it the debian way you will have problems |
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| 09:59.22 | blahdeblah_ | suprano_: Here's what i use to build it: http://pastebin.ca/127580 |
| 10:00.04 | blahdeblah_ | But it doesn't seem to work with the backports.org kernels |
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| 10:07.12 | suprano_ | hm i just following the howto, dpkg told me |
| 10:07.22 | suprano_ | but nvidia-kernel-common was not found |
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| 10:08.06 | suprano_ | but the packet does exist.. i found it on the debian-paket search webseite |
| 10:08.42 | simonrvn | !tell suprano_ about non-free |
| 10:09.01 | suprano_ | ty |
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| 10:09.14 | simonrvn | yw |
| 10:09.21 | blahdeblah_ | !tell blahdeblah_ about non-free |
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| 10:10.19 | blahdeblah_ | Wow, amazing what things you can find out from dpkg. :-) |
| 10:10.58 | simonrvn | next time use /msg |
| 10:11.20 | blahdeblah_ | simonrvn: Didn't realise !tell and /msg did the same thing. |
| 10:11.40 | simonrvn | it does :) |
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| 10:12.56 | pstickne | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86.run |
| 10:12.57 | pstickne | Sweet :) |
| 10:12.59 | pstickne | err |
| 10:13.14 | pstickne | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format -- that rather |
| 10:13.27 | pstickne | whoohoo! |
| 10:14.18 | pstickne | I am pretty sure problem is gcc mismatch, but I like this kernel :( |
| 10:14.24 | pstickne | Well, I have the config. Muahaha |
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| 10:14.58 | pstickne | Yup, is gcc conflict. It's so picky :( |
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| 10:17.37 | pstickne | dselect => aptitude |
| 10:17.42 | pstickne | err, > |
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| 10:20.03 | digx | do you guys recommend debian for the desktop or ubuntu |
| 10:20.09 | digx | thanks in advance :) |
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| 10:20.41 | digx | (i know you guys dont like ubuntu questions but im just wondering >.<) |
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| 10:21.55 | wols_ | digx: look what channel you're in and then answer your own question, duh |
| 10:22.09 | wols_ | hint: the answer in #ubuntu is obvious before you even ask too |
| 10:22.31 | digx | yeah but some people might rather have debian for prod server environments and ubuntu for their desktop environment |
| 10:22.36 | digx | i'm wondering if that's the case for many here |
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| 10:24.49 | k31th | wat antivirus do you guys use? |
| 10:24.58 | k31th | for mail scanning |
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| 10:27.20 | pstickne | digx, I recommend debian... simply because ubuntu installer is horrid. then again, it takes a little bit of time to get both distributions updated to current. |
| 10:27.53 | pstickne | digx, but it's more of "do you understand how to use a shell" vs. "do you want to only ever see a pretty windows-like interface" |
| 10:28.06 | digx | awesome :) |
| 10:28.06 | digx | thanks |
| 10:29.56 | k31th | is it normal for clamav to bitch about being outdated? (i installed from apt on sarge) |
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| 10:30.18 | pstickne | (ubuntu unstaller sucks because, on non-advanced CD, you need to live-boot it. that and the partition tool used choked my a partition. but that's not really the installers fault and probably had to do with geometry settings so, most likely not going to happen to you) |
| 10:33.16 | blahdeblah_ | k31th: Yes. Use the volatile version and it will happen less often. |
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| 10:37.37 | nayyares | is there any application equivalent to Coral Painter? i want to do do some hand-drawn stuff through my light-pen ? |
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| 10:38.27 | sanmarcos | nayyares, tux paint |
| 10:38.32 | sanmarcos | nayyares, paint.net might run with mono |
| 10:38.39 | blahdeblah_ | nayyares: I've been told inkscape is interesting, but i haven't used it. |
| 10:39.40 | nayyares | sanmarcos, tux paint come with KDE? |
| 10:39.48 | sanmarcos | how would I know? |
| 10:39.59 | Noboru | weather is too hot by the way |
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| 10:41.51 | nayyares | sanmarcos, in fact i want to do some free hand drawing stuff? |
| 10:42.27 | AndroidData | hi. I'm making a system and for that I require the webserver to be running under root and CGI scripts to have full root priviledges... I already have apache installed so I went to look for another webserver (which is smaller & lighter, since I only need one to run on another port for the interface). Does anyone know of webserver that would qualify? It needs full root access to CGI apps, and they msut be executable anywhere within DocumentRoot |
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| 10:42.47 | AndroidData | I tried ´boa´ but it's not working. :\ |
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| 10:43.02 | AndroidData | CGI scripts just download; they don't execute. :( |
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| 10:44.24 | moshii | AndroidData: thttpd |
| 10:44.29 | AndroidData | ok |
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| 10:49.19 | AndroidData | The requested URL '/admin.dmb' resolves to a file which is marked executable but is not a CGI file; retrieving it is forbidden. |
| 10:49.27 | AndroidData | Erm. It IS an CGI file. :\ |
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| 10:49.51 | AndroidData | Where do I use AddHandler? .htaccess or the conf? |
| 10:50.05 | binary_dreamer | hi |
| 10:50.14 | AndroidData | hi |
| 10:50.21 | Guerin | AndroidData: conf |
| 10:50.52 | Guerin | AndroidData: you *can* use either, but use of .htaccess is deprecated |
| 10:51.05 | binary_dreamer | i am using sarge and i would like to ask where i could find the debs for rar and unrar. i did a search on google but no luck up to now. someone to help me? |
| 10:51.10 | AndroidData | unknown config option: 'AddHandler' |
| 10:52.42 | Guerin | AndroidData: httpd.apache.org is your friend |
| 10:52.55 | Guerin | binary_dreamer: /msg dpkg unrar |
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| 10:53.36 | pstickne | Guerin, deprecated? :(( |
| 10:53.37 | AndroidData | But I'm not using Apache.... |
| 10:53.54 | pstickne | AndroidData, then read the manual for whatever it is you are using...? |
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| 10:56.20 | binary_dreamer | Guerin, unfortunately i cannot see where i could get it from. any ideaS? |
| 10:58.51 | AndroidData | My program responded, "I am root , hear me roar!". :) |
| 10:59.19 | binary_dreamer | anybody that has any ideas where i could fecth unrar and rar for stable? |
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| 11:00.29 | Guerin | well, roshal distributes a binary of rar on his site |
| 11:00.39 | Guerin | !unrar-free |
| 11:00.40 | dpkg | from memory, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 11:00.53 | Guerin | that's a waste of fucking time |
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| 11:01.34 | binary_dreamer | Guerin, it says that it is in unstable! and a better way of talking in the channel would be helpful |
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| 11:03.20 | Guerin | binary_dreamer: eh? |
| 11:04.02 | binary_dreamer | Guerin, what? |
| 11:04.59 | Guerin | binary_dreamer: the author distributes a linux binary on his site. It's not in sarge for a number of reasons. |
| 11:05.29 | binary_dreamer | Guerin, so there is no way of getting it to work for me? |
| 11:05.46 | Guerin | are you stupid? HE DISTRIBUTES IT ON HIS SITE |
| 11:06.05 | Guerin | you can find the rar author's site using google |
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| 11:06.19 | Guerin | his name is alexander roshal, but I forget the actial web address |
| 11:07.17 | binary_dreamer | Guerin, mate u got a problem with attitude. if you cannot help then ignore me, it would be much simpler! any way thanks |
| 11:07.25 | peterS | binary_dreamer: he is helping you |
| 11:07.37 | Guerin | dude |
| 11:07.44 | binary_dreamer | Guerin, yes |
| 11:07.50 | peterS | binary_dreamer: he's giving you quite a lot of information considering that this stuff isn't in debian at all |
| 11:07.56 | Guerin | your inability to understand what I'm saying is not me failing to help you |
| 11:08.45 | wols_ | Guerin: we need to start classes in teaching logical thinking. we could make a fortune! |
| 11:09.10 | binary_dreamer | Guerin, but your ability to understand that i might have no experience with linux? anyway thanks |
| 11:09.23 | bloer` | Hi, please watch this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/ --> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3251419433163515470 (download link in description) |
| 11:09.45 | wols_ | bloer`: don't do that |
| 11:09.48 | peterS | bloer`: please explain why or we'll consider you a spammer |
| 11:10.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:10.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:10.06 | tarzeau | !stats sid |
| 11:10.19 | wols_ | peterS: he IS a spammer. and idiot spammre |
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| 11:11.24 | AndroidData | I have found the "htpasswd" command. Is there any way of using this command (or some other) to verify a .htpasswd password? (I want to make the option for someone to change their password by modifying the .htpasswd file with the "htpasswd" command, and I also want their old password to be asked and verified for security purposes.) |
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| 11:17.17 | AndroidData | I have found the "htpasswd" command. Is there any way of using this command (or some other) to verify a .htpasswd password? (I want to make the option for someone to change their password by modifying the .htpasswd file with the "htpasswd" command, and I also want their old password to be asked and verified for security purposes.) |
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| 11:18.51 | peterS | AndroidData: you just asked the same question twice. don't do that. |
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| 11:19.28 | peterS | AndroidData: also, you'll probably get more knowledgeable answers in a channel such as #apache, as this question isn't at all Debian-specific |
| 11:19.51 | AndroidData | ok |
| 11:20.21 | peterS | I mean, maybe someone here knows the answer to your question, but maybe not |
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| 11:20.38 | tarzeau | and maybe he wants to tell it, or maybe not |
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| 11:20.59 | peterS | well, if anyone does know the answer, I encourage you to say it. but I don't know it. |
| 11:21.11 | AndroidData | er |
| 11:21.18 | AndroidData | the answer is pi? |
| 11:21.23 | peterS | correct! |
| 11:21.29 | AndroidData | yay! do I get a cookie? |
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| 11:21.36 | peterS | !win AndroidData |
| 11:21.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, AndroidData! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 11:21.39 | peterS | even better |
| 11:21.53 | peterS | it's good protein |
| 11:22.30 | AndroidData | ...why are Chinese people e-mailing me for? |
| 11:22.35 | AndroidData | I can't even read their e-mails! |
| 11:22.43 | AndroidData | Sheesh, if you're going to spam at least do it right! :( |
| 11:23.12 | peterS | they do need to improve their geoip technology so they can spam only people likely to understand their language |
| 11:23.34 | AndroidData | :D |
| 11:23.50 | peterS | but targetted spam isn't really any more cost-effective than spam-hits-the-fan, unfortunately |
| 11:24.06 | AndroidData | I mean what the hell? people are mailing me with "you're on this bank and now you ned to give us your password", while I'm not even on that bank! |
| 11:24.27 | AndroidData | I'm 16 years old! I don't even have the ability to get an account! |
| 11:24.33 | peterS | they have no way of knowing who's with what banks. so they pick a popular bank and hope to get some real customers |
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| 11:24.48 | peterS | well, enjoy your lifetime supply |
| 11:24.53 | AndroidData | I will |
| 11:24.57 | AndroidData | And my spam filters will too |
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| 11:25.01 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 11:25.14 | tamiya | I got my DHCP3-server sorted out |
| 11:25.55 | peterS | [ dead silence in the channel. nobody can believe this piece of news! ] |
| 11:25.56 | tamiya | seems it wanted a working dhcpd.conf file moments before apt-get finishes its installation |
| 11:26.09 | tamiya | :D |
| 11:26.31 | tamiya | anyway, next problem...... |
| 11:26.49 | peterS | so it started dhcpd without first setting up a working dhcpd.conf? that's a bit suboptimal |
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| 11:27.10 | tamiya | yeah |
| 11:27.27 | tamiya | i went into dhcpd.conf and modified it for my own little home LAN and its working now |
| 11:27.39 | peterS | great. so next problem? |
| 11:27.48 | tamiya | BIND9 :) |
| 11:28.02 | Guerin | EUNNECESSARY |
| 11:28.05 | peterS | oh how did I guess. maybe by your channel list |
| 11:28.27 | wols_ | tamiya: can you tell us why you need bind? |
| 11:28.28 | tamiya | that channel is dead |
| 11:28.41 | tamiya | yep, I'm learning Linux :) |
| 11:28.54 | Guerin | wols_: so he can put 'BIND expert' on his resume |
| 11:29.00 | Guerin | ... |
| 11:29.08 | andrew_p | is anybody running Xen here? |
| 11:29.09 | Guerin | the BIND Manual is awesome. |
| 11:29.12 | jatt | which package does this file belong to? |
| 11:29.14 | Guerin | !anyone use xen |
| 11:29.14 | wols_ | we'll see you again in, say... 9 months or so when you're finished |
| 11:29.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses xen, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:29.17 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.21 | andrew_p | :D |
| 11:29.22 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.29 | Guerin | jatt: look harder |
| 11:29.46 | peterS | jatt: there are various 'inetd' implementations in debian. none of them "own" inetd.conf, most of them can use it |
| 11:29.54 | jatt | Guerin: I have no clue. I don't use the inetd daemon at all |
| 11:29.57 | wols_ | jatt: config file. it's part of whatever package gives you *bin/inetd |
| 11:30.01 | Guerin | jatt: it doesn't belong to a package, it's created by a postinst script |
| 11:30.05 | peterS | jatt: I don't know which one you have installed. netkit-inetd or openbsd-inetd are the popular ones |
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| 11:30.31 | tamiya | Before I describe my BIND9 problem, on a related note my work colleague lent me his Cricket Lui's "DNS and BIND" book. |
| 11:30.40 | tamiya | but it's 2nd edition and it covers BIND 4.x |
| 11:30.41 | tamiya | :( |
| 11:30.59 | tamiya | question, is BIND4 config files compatiable with BIND9? |
| 11:31.05 | tamiya | ie. Is the book ok to use? |
| 11:31.32 | peterS | tamiya: regardless, to understand DNS, you need to start somewhere. you can get a lot out of a book like that even if you learn nothing about exact syntax of named.conf and friends |
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| 11:31.55 | peterS | tamiya: once you understand DNS, learning to configure BIND itself is rather trivial. I mean it, that's the easy part. |
| 11:32.04 | section31 | Everytime I copy and paste more than 1 line of text from my windows machine to my ssh server via putty, it doesn't seem to refresh the screen on putty properly. |
| 11:32.04 | Guerin | really |
| 11:32.05 | jatt | peterS: none of them is running (debian unstable) though. Seems some package didn't uninstall properly |
| 11:32.09 | wols_ | tamiya: the thing about really leraning something is not rote memorization. it's learning concepts and applying them |
| 11:32.16 | wols_ | you can do that with this book |
| 11:32.17 | tamiya | I will read it :) |
| 11:32.23 | Guerin | and that's not to say the bind config is simple - just that dns in general is harder than it seems. |
| 11:32.33 | wols_ | jatt: it was uninstalling properly. read about --purge |
| 11:32.49 | peterS | yeah, and understanding the weird bits of DNS helps a lot when looking at the weird bits of BIND config. |
| 11:32.53 | wols_ | Guerin: what isn't? no old protocol os easy, none of them |
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| 11:33.06 | Guerin | wols_: yeah. Look at ftp. |
| 11:33.10 | peterS | wols_: 'telnet foo daytime' is relatively straightforward (: |
| 11:33.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:33.16 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 11:33.21 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 11:33.22 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 11:33.32 | peterS | I don't know if daytime was ever standardized, though |
| 11:33.34 | Guerin | !beer greycat in absentia |
| 11:33.34 | wols_ | Guerin: I was thinking about mail mostly :) |
| 11:33.35 | tamiya | anyway, on to my BIND9 problem.... It's only a "simple" problem involving forwarders and root servers after a clean install of BIND9 |
| 11:33.59 | tamiya | I have BIND9 installed on my Debian 3.1 box and WinXP pointing to it for DNS services |
| 11:34.13 | tamiya | If I stop the BIND9 services I can't resolve hosts on the Internet. So far so good. |
| 11:34.14 | peterS | tamiya: dude the default install of bind9 practically does all that _for_ you |
| 11:34.18 | jatt | I used to use inetd and I had the following entry on it |
| 11:34.21 | jatt | smtp stream tcp nowait mail /usr/sbin/exim exim -bs |
| 11:34.26 | tamiya | let me finish :) |
| 11:34.40 | jatt | I use an smarthost to send sometimes emails from the command line through my isp |
| 11:34.41 | tamiya | I then comment out the section in 'named.conf' where it "primes the server with knowledge of the root servers". I then start the BIND9 service |
| 11:34.55 | jatt | what I don't understand is how exim is being called if no inetd process is running |
| 11:34.57 | Guerin | tamiya: you don't need bind9. there are several hundred thousand free nameservers out ther you can use. I recommend granitecanyon |
| 11:34.58 | tamiya | I have no forwarders configured in 'named.conf.options' and 'named.conf.local' is pretty much empty |
| 11:35.10 | peterS | jatt: quite possibly exim is starting itself in daemon mode |
| 11:35.17 | tamiya | Strangely, my WinXP box can resolve names on the Internet!!!! |
| 11:35.45 | jatt | peterS: ps -e | grep exim shows no exim process running |
| 11:35.50 | makebest | hello ,everyone,my name is Yuxiang He (chinese name ) and i am going to an american company to work , so i need an English name ,could you wormhearted people give me an English name (this name is better have something to do with my chinese name )) thank you very much |
| 11:35.52 | wols_ | XP has a DNS cache of its own |
| 11:36.07 | peterS | jatt: perhaps you have xinetd running? it doesn't use inetd.conf but /etc/xinetd.d/ or something |
| 11:36.10 | tamiya | I chose a FQDN I haven't visited today |
| 11:37.06 | tamiya | The reason why I'm doing all this DHCP/BIND thing is because I am a Windows Sysadmin along with about 10 other sysadmins in the company, all of us are Windows guys except two |
| 11:37.18 | tamiya | another guy and me. |
| 11:37.42 | makebest | ... |
| 11:37.52 | peterS | so you're trying to figure out how bind knows where the root servers are without your having told it |
| 11:38.10 | tamiya | anyway, can anyone explain why my WinXP is able to resolve DNS names on the Internet when there are no forwaders or root servers configured on my Debian BIND9 installation |
| 11:38.13 | tamiya | yep |
| 11:38.27 | tamiya | I'm playing with the basics.. |
| 11:38.33 | tamiya | and taking it from there |
| 11:38.40 | peterS | double check that winxp is using only your name server. 'ipconfig /all' ought to tell |
| 11:38.42 | jatt | peterS: no, xinetd.d isn't running either... But when I run mailx there must be a process which spawns an exim process once the port 25 is used. I thought /etc/inetd.conf configured this, but obviously not, since commenting out its smtp entry doesn't make any difference (of course no inetd process is running) |
| 11:38.57 | tamiya | already done that :) |
| 11:39.11 | peterS | so if you '/etc/init.d/bind9 stop', winxp can no longer resolve names? |
| 11:39.12 | tamiya | it's pointing to my Debian box |
| 11:39.17 | tamiya | that's right |
| 11:39.20 | peterS | I guess you said that already..? it's late / early here |
| 11:39.30 | tamiya | i choose a FQDN I haven't used all day |
| 11:40.25 | peterS | tamiya: so, /etc/named.conf doesn't have a "." zone referring to db.root? |
| 11:40.46 | peterS | that's the default setup, I believe (at least it's what I have and I don't think I changed the default there) |
| 11:40.51 | tamiya | i may be on to something... I used the hash character to comment out that section |
| 11:40.59 | tamiya | does it have to be the // characters? |
| 11:41.14 | peterS | I can't remember what named.conf syntax allows for htat |
| 11:41.29 | peterS | ahh, 'man named.conf' says # and // both work as comments |
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| 11:41.40 | tamiya | i'll recomment it again using // |
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| 11:41.48 | tamiya | BRB |
| 11:42.10 | peterS | so this is named.conf, not named.conf.local, right? because you mentioned named.conf.local earlier, but it's named.conf that it actually reads first |
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| 11:42.33 | lipe_ipls | which is the file, that i can add some lines, that will start in boot ?? |
| 11:43.17 | peterS | lipe_ipls: the popular place is /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 11:43.48 | lipe_ipls | peterS, thx u ! |
| 11:44.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:44.34 | tamiya | bad news... replacing the # with // didn't help. I stopped the BIND service. XP couldn't resolve names. I start the BIND service. XP can resolve names |
| 11:45.06 | lipe_ipls | peterS, and i can add the commands in everywhere ?! |
| 11:45.15 | peterS | double-check /var/log/syslog to see if the bind startup seems to be reading what it should be and serving the names it should be |
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| 11:48.11 | peterS | tamiya: also, check /var/cache/bind/ to see if it's leaving any useful stuff around during restart |
| 11:48.49 | tamiya | /var/cache/bind is empty |
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| 11:49.17 | tamiya | tail -f /var/log/syslog showed the correct named.conf file was used in the correct path |
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| 11:49.48 | maru | hi is it possbile to build just ONE varian from source dpkg-buildpackage wants to build all of em |
| 11:50.00 | peterS | tamiya: btw, quick tip: I use 'less -S +F' rather than 'tail -f' for this type of thing. very handy if you are already comfortable with the full power of the 'less' pager |
| 11:50.38 | peterS | 'cause you can hit ctrl-c to get out of 'tail -f' mode and then use the normal pager commands to scroll through the file. 'F' to go back into 'tail -f' mode |
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| 11:52.21 | tamiya | thanks, I'll read up on 'less' a bit later :) |
| 11:52.40 | tamiya | nothing looks out of place |
| 11:53.04 | tamiya | except WinXP resolving names it couldn't then BIND9 was stopped |
| 11:53.24 | peterS | I don't know offhand where bind stores its secret knowledge of how to get to the root servers, then |
| 11:53.28 | tamiya | 'then' should be replaced with 'when' |
| 11:53.40 | peterS | unless it secretly reads /etc/resolv.conf and you have other nameservers in _there_.... |
| 11:53.50 | hollywoodstar | anyone good at wget here ? |
| 11:54.14 | andrew_p | i wonder how should i build Xen DomU kernel in Debian if there is no linux-patch-xen package :/ |
| 11:54.28 | tamiya | /etc/resolv.conf does have other name servers in there... but isn't that for the local Debian box itself? |
| 11:55.15 | tamiya | i mean, isn't that for the local DNS client on the Debianbox? |
| 11:55.36 | peterS | yes it is. but it may be that bind looks at it for forwarders if you don't give it any others |
| 11:55.52 | tamiya | ok, I'll try removing them |
| 11:56.04 | peterS | right or just comment them out with #, that should work |
| 11:56.09 | tamiya | Can I remove them without having to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:56.11 | tamiya | ? |
| 11:56.22 | peterS | yes, you'll have to restart bind9 but nothing else |
| 11:56.31 | tamiya | ok |
| 11:56.32 | peterS | unless you happen to have nscd installed and running, which you probably shouldn't anyway |
| 11:56.33 | tamiya | BRB |
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| 11:57.49 | hollywoodstar | anyone here good at wget ? |
| 11:58.35 | tamiya | bad news... resolv.conf wasn't the culprit |
| 11:58.54 | peterS | you don't have nscd running by any chance, do you? |
| 11:59.05 | tamiya | how do I check for nscd running? |
| 11:59.22 | peterS | 'pgrep nscd' as root, I guess. or just see if the package is installed, with 'dpkg -l nscd' |
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| 12:00.07 | tamiya | it's not installed |
| 12:00.55 | tamiya | pgrep bind9 doesn't say anything either. same as pgrep nscd |
| 12:01.21 | peterS | oh, bind9 goes by the canny name 'named' when it's running |
| 12:01.34 | Assid | tamiya: you wanna know why XP can still resolve names even though you stop bind on the debian server? |
| 12:01.52 | peterS | Assid: no, that's not his question. winxp does _not_ resolve names when he stops bind |
| 12:02.04 | tamiya | Assid: My XP cannot resolve names like www.osnews.com when BIND is stopped |
| 12:02.14 | peterS | Assid: his problem is that he has no idea why bind can find the root servers when he hasn't told it where they are |
| 12:02.25 | section31 | Anyone ever have this problem with putty? http://section31.us/temp/putty_problems/ |
| 12:02.29 | tamiya | PeterS: correct |
| 12:02.38 | Assid | as soon as you install the bind.. the root servers are filed in as well |
| 12:02.45 | Assid | hold |
| 12:03.09 | Assid | its there in db.root |
| 12:03.14 | tamiya | I have commented out the relevant section of 'named.conf' that "primes the server with the Root servers" |
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| 12:03.32 | Assid | the one that opens db.root ? |
| 12:03.39 | tamiya | yes |
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| 12:04.03 | Assid | if you just dont want your dns to do queries.. stop it with allow-query {} tag |
| 12:04.12 | tamiya | i'll try renaming db.root and stopping and starting the serivce |
| 12:04.26 | peterS | tamiya: so verify that your local system cannot resolve names: 'ping google.com'. without name servers in resolv.conf this should fail |
| 12:04.52 | Assid | also.. comment out this zone : zone "." { |
| 12:04.58 | peterS | Assid: he did that already |
| 12:05.07 | peterS | that's what he just said |
| 12:05.16 | Assid | sorry.. too much on my screen |
| 12:05.52 | Assid | anyways.. just lock down the allow-query { 127.0.0.1; }; |
| 12:06.06 | Assid | that way only the debian box can use bind.. and not the windows box |
| 12:06.35 | Assid | also change the listen-on { 127.0.0.1; }; that way localhost queries are allowed.. |
| 12:07.00 | k-google | hollywoodstar: just ask |
| 12:07.41 | Assid | actually the main question is.. what exactly you wanna do tamiya |
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| 12:08.06 | tamiya | learn BIND 9.x |
| 12:08.12 | Assid | okie |
| 12:08.22 | tamiya | by starting small. Just like I did with Windows NT family |
| 12:08.23 | k-google | tamiya: buy the Cricket Book. |
| 12:09.14 | Assid | section31: thats a common issue..try running screen when your putty window is full screen |
| 12:09.16 | Assid | it will solve it |
| 12:09.32 | tamiya | I borrowed an older copy of the Cricket book but haven't ready it yet.. trying to get some practical hands on using the background I already have |
| 12:10.21 | hollywoodstar | k-google ok |
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| 12:10.36 | k-google | tamiya: skim through it once. The material presentation is pretty good. And the guts of this haen't changed too much for a decade or so. Mind that BIND itself has had a few major revs. |
| 12:10.59 | k-google | tamiya: ... and syntax from bind7/bind8 may not work. |
| 12:11.08 | section31 | Assid, I've never ran screen before |
| 12:11.11 | peterS | k-google: yeah, the edition he has deals with bind4 |
| 12:11.19 | hollywoodstar | I want to download x amount of pictures with different names from a site. ex http://site.com/pics/(filename) |
| 12:11.40 | hollywoodstar | how do I do that ? |
| 12:11.52 | peterS | I think the man needs porn-get |
| 12:11.59 | Assid | hollywoodstar: make a txt file with all the urls inside.. and then feed it to wget |
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| 12:12.04 | k-google | hollywoodstar: YOu can glob stuff, you can get a file list and fetch based on that, or if you know what the files are named, you can constructe a generator. |
| 12:12.07 | hollywoodstar | nah not porn this time |
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| 12:12.13 | Assid | 'this time' |
| 12:12.23 | hollywoodstar | ;) |
| 12:12.24 | pingouin | why i can't install mplayer ? The following packages have unmet dependencies: mplayer-386: Depends: mplayer E: Broken packages - with http://www.debian-multimedia.org in my source list - sarge ? |
| 12:12.33 | LinuxHelp | Having a problem install samba server on debs testing: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/a5sVxD80.html I'm not really sure whats happening.. |
| 12:12.51 | k-google | hollywoodstar: RTFM. Look up wildcard / glob. I don't know if http access supports globs, ftp does. |
| 12:12.52 | hollywoodstar | k-google the problem is that the filenames are different. asd.jpg asfagsa.jpg afagag. jpg |
| 12:12.53 | hollywoodstar | etc |
| 12:13.09 | Assid | hollywoodstar: do you have a list of the files? |
| 12:13.12 | hollywoodstar | no |
| 12:13.16 | k-google | hollywoodstar: Can you generate a file list? |
| 12:13.22 | hollywoodstar | dno how |
| 12:13.28 | peterS | LinuxHelp: probably a harmless matter where you have to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf a bit before it's legal. you can use 'testparm' to pinpoint your problem |
| 12:13.35 | Assid | how would you get te list if you were to do it manually? |
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| 12:13.49 | k-google | hollywoodstar: Alternatively you can try a recursive query matching a pattern. |
| 12:14.01 | hollywoodstar | ther's no pattern in the filenames |
| 12:14.22 | Assid | hollywoodstar: how would you know the names of the files if you were to download it yourself |
| 12:14.27 | LinuxHelp | peterS, ehe I dont have /etc/samba/* ... how strange |
| 12:14.30 | Assid | is there a directoryindex? |
| 12:14.43 | hollywoodstar | Assid no image gallery site |
| 12:14.47 | k-google | hollywoodstar: You're going to have to find a way to get a listing of files then. |
| 12:14.54 | hollywoodstar | you click next and get the next image |
| 12:14.56 | peterS | LinuxHelp: that comes with samba-common, if I'm not mistaken. I wonder how you managed to get samba installed without samba-common |
| 12:14.56 | LinuxHelp | peterS, should I reinstall samba-common? |
| 12:15.10 | Assid | hollywoodstar: man wget .. there is a recursive option there |
| 12:15.11 | hollywoodstar | http://www.rollingrock.ch/stunt/galerie_ch.php?pic=85&lang=en |
| 12:15.14 | hollywoodstar | here's the site |
| 12:15.32 | hollywoodstar | guess u could use that php pic # |
| 12:15.33 | hollywoodstar | ? |
| 12:15.33 | peterS | LinuxHelp: yeah I'd do 'dpkg --purge --force-depends samba-common' followed by 'apt-get install samba-common'. to start over with the configuration of that. |
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| 12:15.50 | Assid | okay if you read that.. theres a pic number |
| 12:15.53 | Assid | yes. use that |
| 12:15.57 | hollywoodstar | how `? |
| 12:15.57 | k-google | hollywoodstar: Probably. |
| 12:15.59 | Assid | make a forloop or something in bash |
| 12:16.16 | hollywoodstar | well |
| 12:16.23 | hollywoodstar | I'm not very good at that |
| 12:16.35 | hollywoodstar | for((i=200;i<300;i++)) ;do wget -O - "http://www.whoa.nu/extras/mp3/download.asp?mp3ID=$i" ;done | sed -n 's/.*href="\([^"]*\)".*/\1/p' | wget -i - |
| 12:16.40 | k-google | hollywoodstar: bash: for i in $( seq 1 85 ); do wget "${URLBASE}?pic=$i"; done |
| 12:16.40 | hollywoodstar | here's another loop I have |
| 12:16.45 | hollywoodstar | but I dno how |
| 12:16.49 | hollywoodstar | k-google hm ok |
| 12:17.04 | hollywoodstar | k-google imma tryit |
| 12:17.07 | k-google | hollywoodstar: I don't know that that iterator works, interesting syntax. |
| 12:17.17 | peterS | k-google: it's a bashism |
| 12:17.20 | k-google | hollywoodstar: 'seq' is a utility.... |
| 12:17.25 | hollywoodstar | gah |
| 12:17.33 | k-google | peterS: OK, thought I might have seen it. |
| 12:17.35 | peterS | the for (( )) stuff, I mean |
| 12:17.49 | hollywoodstar | maybe I could rewrite the other one I have |
| 12:17.51 | peterS | I think zsh and/or ksh _might_ support it too |
| 12:17.58 | Assid | although.. you still need to get the image out of it.. |
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| 12:18.19 | k-google | hollywoodstar: If you look at the URL source for the page you'll probably find the image link itself. |
| 12:18.25 | k-google | hollywoodstar: That's what you really want to use. |
| 12:18.30 | Assid | that will oly download the page. not the image |
| 12:18.32 | stoned | hi |
| 12:18.51 | hollywoodstar | k-google already tried wget -r url/folder/ |
| 12:19.25 | jatt | well I've checked again and neither inetd nor exim are running (as daemons). However `mailx -s "n" my.email@gmail.com<n` spawns an exim process which in turn delivers my messages. |
| 12:19.38 | jatt | the spawned exim process looks like this: |
| 12:19.41 | ft | peterS: zsh supports this (i _think_ bash does aswell): for i in {200..300} ; do ... ; done |
| 12:19.43 | k-google | jatt: Probably running through inetd. |
| 12:19.45 | jatt | /usr/sbin/exim -Mc 1GBsWr-0002I6-00 |
| 12:20.03 | k-google | jatt: grep exim /etc/inetd.conf |
| 12:20.10 | jatt | k-google: inetd is not installed on my machine. non of its flavours (xinetd, etc.) |
| 12:20.41 | k-google | jatt: Um.... For mail _delivery_ the MUA itself invokes the MTA? I think.. |
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| 12:20.46 | jatt | k-google: the exim entry in inetd.conf is commented out: |
| 12:20.48 | jatt | #<off># smtp stream tcp nowait mail /usr/sbin/exim exim -bs |
| 12:20.51 | Assid | wget -r --convert-links |
| 12:20.55 | Assid | you get everything |
| 12:21.51 | jatt | k-google: yes I suspect that is what is happenning, mailx spawns the exim process directly. Is that configurable? |
| 12:21.56 | Assid | brb |
| 12:22.08 | eth0x | hi, i've just installed debian on my other system (basic install) is there any user interface installed? if so what command do i use to run it, else how do i get one (kde,gnome etc) |
| 12:22.34 | jatt | k-google: and how does the MUA (mail in this case) know which MTA to invoke? I failed to find a configuration file with that information |
| 12:23.48 | stoned | eth0x, congrats. apt-get install x-window-system-core and wm of your choice. Or /msg dpkg install kde OR /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 12:24.03 | JJ|Laptop | eth0x: if it's on there "startx" will load it |
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| 12:24.30 | jatt | as I said, the spawned process is called as: /usr/sbin/exim -Mc 1GBsWr-0002I6-00 |
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| 12:24.59 | eth0x | thanks guys |
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| 12:25.01 | eth0x | ;] |
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| 12:26.32 | Netcad | do you how we do faor active hald service on debian, i install kernel 2.6... |
| 12:28.12 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:29.21 | Netcad | anyway... |
| 12:29.38 | peterS | ft: interesting, I thought {5..10} syntax was zsh-specific, but having tried it just now, I see it does work in bash |
| 12:29.45 | Ronin | Netcad: i dont think anyone understood your question |
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| 12:30.05 | peterS | (no need for a 'for' loop to test, just 'echo {5..10}') |
| 12:30.14 | abrotman | peterS: go to bed :) |
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| 12:30.19 | Netcad | Ronin : i know :) thats why i said 'anyway' lol |
| 12:30.24 | peterS | yes sir, abrotman, sir. |
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| 12:30.57 | peterS | abrotman: no seriously, I was already thinking about it |
| 12:31.07 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 12:31.18 | peterS | I already had my after-overnight breakfast |
| 12:31.53 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:31.58 | abrotman | bacon!!! |
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| 12:32.19 | stoned | ugh |
| 12:32.21 | peterS | actually just a bowl of cereal. but anyway. |
| 12:32.24 | Ronin | speaking of which, wifes making bacon and eggs now for breakfast, yummmmmmm |
| 12:32.25 | abrotman | heh |
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| 12:32.38 | abrotman | Ronin: is that ... canadian bacon? |
| 12:32.44 | peterS | don't make me get out the frying pan. I really do need to get a few hours of sleep. |
| 12:33.08 | stoned | you don't have any cereal? |
| 12:33.12 | psycodad | can wine run only on i386 platforms ? |
| 12:33.15 | abrotman | nope |
| 12:33.21 | stoned | like fruity pebbles or coco puffs? |
| 12:33.22 | abrotman | psycodad: ask #winehq .. but i think so |
| 12:33.24 | stoned | damn |
| 12:33.35 | psycodad | abrotman: thx! |
| 12:33.52 | abrotman | stoned: no .. granola bars though! |
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| 12:34.08 | stoned | hey get a glass of milk and a couple of them granola bars |
| 12:34.17 | abrotman | i have hte glass of milk already:) |
| 12:34.22 | Malmbilen | how do i boot debian so that x doesn't start? it is broken for me |
| 12:34.23 | stoned | word :) |
| 12:34.27 | peterS | psycodad: wine is divided into the program itself which runs windows binaries - that's i386 only - and libwine, which lets you recompile a windows program to run on unix of any platform - that part isn't i386-specific |
| 12:34.42 | abrotman | i don't even know if wine runs on x86_64 |
| 12:35.09 | Malmbilen | abrotman: you will have to compile it in a 32bit chroot or something |
| 12:35.13 | Ronin | abrotman: not canadian back bacon if thats what you mean |
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| 12:35.33 | peterS | Ronin: he's just obsessed with canadian anything right now, especially canadian irc users. nobody is quite sure why. |
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| 12:36.13 | stoned | canadian beer is stronger. As a result, their women look prettier. Blame canada |
| 12:36.14 | abrotman | jonkri: i guess the point was that there exists 64bit windows .. why not 64bit wine |
| 12:36.30 | Ronin | peterS: he's a wanna be i suspect ;) |
| 12:36.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:36.51 | abrotman | i blame pseubodot |
| 12:36.52 | psycodad | peterS: thx, that clears a lot. Nice enuff that DosBox runs on my Mac PPC with Debian and I can run Norton Commander in a Dos Box on Linux PPC *lol* (not that somebody needs it ;-)) |
| 12:37.31 | peterS | yeah, as with most emulators of really old legacy systems, it's only potentially useful for playing legacy games |
| 12:37.38 | abrotman | doesn't dosbox put you in a sandbox ? |
| 12:38.23 | peterS | that or on a soapbox |
| 12:38.44 | k-google | peterS: I thought it was sandsoap. |
| 12:38.56 | stoned | dude |
| 12:39.00 | stoned | what? |
| 12:39.06 | abrotman | stoned: you have a job yet? |
| 12:39.14 | stoned | I start on monday |
| 12:39.45 | abrotman | so you get to start stealing money from old people that don't know any better on monday? |
| 12:40.02 | stoned | I don't know |
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| 12:40.25 | Tallu | Anyone here know of a decent domain registrar that gives full control over dns when buying a domain from them? I bought my domain from godaddy but it seems I can't set their dns servers to forward all subdomains automativally to my ip |
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| 12:40.46 | abrotman | Tallu: i'm sure you can .. |
| 12:40.57 | peterS | Tallu: you can't just set your primary DNS to your own IP directly, bypassing godaddy entirely? |
| 12:41.17 | Tallu | peterS: well, yeah, I could do that |
| 12:41.19 | peterS | of course you will need multiple DNS servers, since this stuff is supposed to be at least a little bit redundant |
| 12:41.42 | peterS | so what you do there is find a friend who wants to do the same thing and be backup DNS for each other |
| 12:41.44 | stoned | is dundant a word? |
| 12:41.52 | stoned | re is a prefix yeah? |
| 12:41.59 | abrotman | no more drugs |
| 12:42.01 | abrotman | or bacon |
| 12:42.02 | stoned | lol |
| 12:42.05 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.06 | peterS | / \ |
| 12:42.10 | Tallu | Yeah they require 2 dns servers.. maybe I'll just leave the second one as the godaddy one and and run the dns off the server it points to so if it goes down it doesnt matter if subdomains dont really resolve |
| 12:42.11 | stoned | the lol dude |
| 12:42.11 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 12:47.57 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 12:48.24 | stoned | I should sleep sometime soon |
| 12:48.28 | streuner | !love stoned |
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| 12:48.40 | streuner | might help :-) |
| 12:48.41 | stoned | dude |
| 12:48.45 | stoned | that is very creepy |
| 12:48.48 | stoned | :/ |
| 12:49.20 | stoned | I got fucked by a bot |
| 12:49.37 | abrotman | now go to bed |
| 12:49.38 | Tallu | abrotman: to get back on the old subject, I tried their total dns control and it just keeps bugging about wildcards and keeps sending error reports :P |
| 12:49.53 | abrotman | Tallu: tell them you don't want wildcards |
| 12:49.58 | streuner | dpkg, gender? |
| 12:49.59 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 12:50.04 | stoned | oh boy |
| 12:50.19 | Tallu | abrotman: but I do. I want *.domain.tld. to be in the dns, but, no! |
| 12:50.36 | abrotman | ecil man |
| 12:51.06 | Tallu | ecil? |
| 12:51.18 | stoned | evil? |
| 12:51.30 | streuner | rahter |
| 12:51.34 | stoned | oh |
| 12:51.36 | streuner | c is next v |
| 12:51.43 | Tallu | ah yeah. |
| 12:51.49 | stoned | but it could be lice spelled backwards |
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| 12:51.58 | stoned | lice = ecil |
| 12:51.58 | Tallu | Well, I suppose I'm off. :P |
| 12:53.13 | ZeNN | looking for some good pointers, what i want to achieve is when someone fires up their browser.. the browser has a split screen setup, so lets say 10% of the screen for messages i want to sent (eg updates to network etc) and the other 90% for surfing the internet.... can this be achieved other than using a proxy ? (squid / icap) |
| 12:53.20 | k-google | Tallu: No, you always smell like that ;-) |
| 12:54.14 | k-google | ZeNN: Um. You want the browser screen split, or you want multiple windows on the desktop? |
| 12:54.42 | ZeNN | k-google: browser in split screen |
| 12:54.45 | k-google | ZeNN: Two thoughts: Konqueror allows vertically/horizontally split browser windows. ion / pwm allow you to create "tabbed" desktops. |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | that's just sick ;) |
| 12:55.20 | ZeNN | k-google: i want it to work with every browser... i just want to isert my own messages to the users of my network |
| 12:55.29 | k-google | abrotman: ?? |
| 12:55.40 | k-google | ZeNN: SLYP. |
| 12:55.41 | abrotman | logs in your browser |
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| 12:56.23 | ZeNN | SLYP ? |
| 12:56.32 | k-google | !slyp |
| 12:56.33 | dpkg | i heard slyp is sounds like your problem. |
| 12:57.01 | abrotman | ZeNN: proxy might be one way .. or you can use somehting like winpopup/linpopup |
| 12:57.08 | abrotman | ZeNN: i'm guessing the clients are windows ? |
| 12:57.24 | k-google | abrotman: WTF does a proxy have to do with browser client display? |
| 12:57.24 | ZeNN | abrotman: no users are also on Mac and Linux |
| 12:57.37 | k-google | ZeNN: Sounds more like a frameset type deal. |
| 12:57.53 | k-google | ZeNN: One frame is messaging, the other is browsing. |
| 12:57.59 | abrotman | k-google: he might beable to intercept the request and return a framed browser |
| 12:58.09 | ZeNN | k-google: yes, found a commercial application that does what i want |
| 12:58.24 | ZeNN | http://perftech.com/ |
| 12:58.55 | ZeNN | they call it banner insertion |
| 13:00.22 | abrotman | your users must spend all day surfing the web |
| 13:00.35 | pngwn | ZeNN, if I was one of your users, I'd call it bullshit ;) |
| 13:00.59 | abrotman | i'd close the browser :) |
| 13:01.14 | ZeNN | pngwn: it's a wifi hotspot network, and they can use it for free... not that shitty |
| 13:01.43 | ZeNN | but, besides you find it shitty.... can such a setup be made... ? |
| 13:01.44 | pngwn | unhuh :) |
| 13:02.03 | k-google | WTF is the difference between an "application" and a "solution"? |
| 13:02.15 | ZeNN | k-google: nothing :) |
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| 13:02.29 | abrotman | k-google: marketing talk mostly .. though a solution could be more than one application |
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| 13:03.25 | k-google | abrotman: Y'know, for all that there's a gazillion Free Software projects which cack project pages, the general formula's pretty much the same and it works: |
| 13:03.43 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 13:03.44 | k-google | Overview, Download, FAQ, Support, Screenshots. |
| 13:04.14 | k-google | abrotman: ... vs. proprietary sites which are all "datasheets" "solutions" "partners" "press", etc. |
| 13:04.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:04.31 | k-google | abrotman: ... but very, very, very rarely any sort of overview of what the tool actually does. |
| 13:04.51 | abrotman | screenshots seem way more prevalent in F/OSS projects |
| 13:05.55 | k-google | Yeah. |
| 13:06.41 | ZeNN | so.... is there a GPL software that can do the same ;) |
| 13:06.54 | abrotman | i've never heard of such a thing .. try ##linux |
| 13:07.11 | ZeNN | k, thanks... will try that |
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| 13:08.25 | Nibbler | hi :] |
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| 13:08.44 | Thelma | :) |
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| 13:10.22 | k-google | Thelma: Where's Louise? |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | !karstensmite k-google |
| 13:10.53 | Nibbler | i cant get my lirc running, the module builds (using i2c) but my hauppauge-card connected remote does not work. /dev/lirc exists, modules load (lirc-dev and lirc-i2c) but mode2 and others complain "/dev/lirc no such device" (devicefile is existant) |
| 13:10.57 | Nibbler | any idea anyone? |
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| 13:11.31 | abrotman | perms on /dev/lirc ? |
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| 13:11.54 | Nibbler | abrotman, nope, this would not result in "no such device" |
| 13:12.01 | Nibbler | testing as root, anyways |
| 13:12.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:12.19 | abrotman | maybe the app got lost? |
| 13:12.22 | bsd | hello |
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| 13:12.34 | abrotman | Nibbler: do you have actual error messages for us ? |
| 13:12.47 | Nibbler | 1mo abrotman |
| 13:13.12 | bsd | configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 13:13.12 | bsd | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 13:13.19 | abrotman | !b-e bsd |
| 13:13.20 | dpkg | bsd: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 13:13.58 | Nibbler | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/klCczt13.html |
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| 13:14.33 | abrotman | you forgot to paste ls -l /dev/lirc :) |
| 13:14.57 | Nibbler | root@app47 /home/sven # mknod /dev/lirc c 61 0 |
| 13:15.04 | Nibbler | pasting this instead ;-) |
| 13:15.28 | Nibbler | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 2006-08-12 15:13 /dev/lirc |
| 13:16.20 | abrotman | is it possible mode2 switches users ? |
| 13:16.39 | Nibbler | its world-readable anyways... |
| 13:16.41 | bsd | [bsd@cto gaim-2.0.0]$ cpp --version |
| 13:16.42 | bsd | cpp (GCC) 4.1.2 20060613 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-5) |
| 13:16.49 | abrotman | might need to be writable .. no idea why |
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| 13:17.12 | Nibbler | abrotman, nope, 777 does not help |
| 13:17.13 | abrotman | bsd: did you install build-essential ? |
| 13:17.30 | bsd | abrotman, yes dear |
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| 13:18.07 | abrotman | and it still fails ? |
| 13:18.13 | bsd | abrotman, yes |
| 13:18.56 | abrotman | any clues in the config.log ..or just that it failed the sanity check ? |
| 13:19.25 | bsd | abrotman, i was using same gcc from unstable, but latest update from testing fails |
| 13:19.40 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 13:19.55 | JJ|Laptop | abrotman: ever had to compile gcc? |
| 13:19.56 | JJ|Laptop | :p |
| 13:20.41 | abrotman | JJ|Laptop: not in a very long time .. yay solaris |
| 13:20.44 | bsd | abrotman, the config.log has no clues |
| 13:20.48 | abrotman | JJ|Laptop: is g++ and gcc installed ? |
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| 13:21.32 | abrotman | bsd: is g++ and gcc installed ? |
| 13:21.35 | abrotman | i doubt JJ|Laptop cares :) |
| 13:21.48 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 13:21.51 | JJ|Laptop | i was joking |
| 13:21.57 | JJ|Laptop | compile a compiler! |
| 13:22.13 | abrotman | it's not that bad .. it's just been a while |
| 13:22.18 | dimir | compile a compiler wihout a compiler! |
| 13:23.05 | JJ|Laptop | dimir: i meant that... |
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| 13:24.14 | abrotman | bsd? |
| 13:24.28 | abrotman | JJ|Laptop: they have static builds |
| 13:24.35 | JJ|Laptop | abrotman: are you taking me seriously? |
| 13:24.44 | JJ|Laptop | i was JOKING! |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | http://gcc.gnu.org/install/binaries.html |
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| 13:27.17 | anapivirtua_ | Reboot linux |
| 13:27.27 | abrotman | JJ|Laptop: make sense? |
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| 13:28.34 | abrotman | bsd: any luck? |
| 13:28.49 | bsd | abrotman, no dear |
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| 13:29.01 | abrotman | bsd: gcc and g++ both installed? |
| 13:29.11 | nexu | how can i tell apt/dpkg that i already have a package |
| 13:29.12 | bsd | abrotman, yes |
| 13:29.14 | nexu | but its named diferently |
| 13:29.19 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 13:29.20 | dpkg | hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 13:29.24 | nexu | python2.4-dbus = python-dbus |
| 13:29.32 | nexu | i have the latter installed |
| 13:29.36 | nexu | its the exact same version |
| 13:29.54 | nexu | but the software i'm trying to install persist on python2.4-dbus |
| 13:29.59 | nexu | and many of its dependency too |
| 13:30.01 | abrotman | bsd: do you have a cc1plus ? |
| 13:30.11 | nexu | so how i fix this? |
| 13:30.18 | abrotman | equivs |
| 13:30.25 | bsd | abrotman, in the /usr/bin ? |
| 13:30.32 | nexu | ok |
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| 13:30.35 | abrotman | eh .. wait .. that might be old |
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| 13:30.43 | abrotman | bsd: dpkg -l ccp* |
| 13:30.51 | abrotman | erm .. cpp* :) |
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| 13:31.47 | bsd | abrotman, no ccp |
| 13:31.59 | abrotman | bsd: install one! |
| 13:32.04 | bsd | ok |
| 13:32.16 | abrotman | probably one that closely matches your gcc version :) |
| 13:32.17 | nexu | hmm i cannot install equivs since my apt-get is stuck at install python2.4-dbus |
| 13:32.26 | abrotman | haha |
| 13:32.59 | abrotman | nexu: you can purge pyhthon2.4-dbus .. install equivs .. try again |
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| 13:34.30 | bsd | ii cpp 4.1.1-5 The GNU C preprocessor (cpp) |
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| 13:36.00 | abrotman | no good ? |
| 13:36.18 | nexu | abrotman: ok i found the .deb of equiv on repo site |
| 13:36.19 | nexu | thx |
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| 13:36.25 | nexu | dpkg -i does work now |
| 13:36.29 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:36.35 | bsd | abrotman: cpp, gcc and g++ are working otherwise i have tested |
| 13:36.48 | abrotman | bsd: didn't you just install cpp ? |
| 13:36.56 | bsd | yes |
| 13:37.19 | abrotman | still same error ? |
| 13:37.22 | bsd | i mean i have installed |
| 13:37.24 | abrotman | bsd: what source is this ? |
| 13:38.00 | eth0x | hmm i did apt-get install x-window-system-core and then apt-get install kdecore and.. try startx and doesnt work.. |
| 13:38.07 | bsd | yes, still fails on many sources like mtr, gaim SVN and others |
| 13:38.23 | abrotman | bsd: i meant .. is there a tarball i can download to try this ? |
| 13:38.26 | abrotman | bsd: you're on etch ? |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | eth0x: which version of debian ? |
| 13:39.26 | eth0x | i got debian-31r2-i386-netins |
| 13:39.33 | abrotman | so you have sarge? |
| 13:39.40 | abrotman | !find bin/startx sarge |
| 13:39.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/startx' (2): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 13:40.03 | eth0x | hmm? |
| 13:40.08 | abrotman | install xbase-clients .. but x-window-system-core should have gotten that |
| 13:40.32 | bsd | abrotman, the sources are compiling fine on another machine |
| 13:40.39 | eth0x | ok i'll try that brb |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | bsd: the othe rmachine is also debian ? |
| 13:41.23 | bsd | yes, same cpp/gcc version on knoppix installed |
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| 13:41.47 | abrotman | wait .. is this a knoppix or debian box? |
| 13:42.30 | bsd | abrotman, this one is knoppix 5.0.1 updated/upgarded from debian debs |
| 13:42.53 | abrotman | i know nothing about knoppix |
| 13:42.57 | Ronin | bsd: ahh that could be a problemthen |
| 13:43.13 | abrotman | except that it starts with a 'k' .. and probably sucks :) |
| 13:43.39 | dvs | abrotman: hey! don't know my toolkit CD! |
| 13:43.42 | dvs | knock |
| 13:43.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:43.50 | bsd | abrotman, Knoppix is fully comapible with Debian, is a direct drivative |
| 13:43.55 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
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| 13:44.01 | Ronin | not exactly fully compatible |
| 13:44.03 | abrotman | debian is debian .. nothing else is |
| 13:44.04 | dvs | bsd: It's not debian |
| 13:44.30 | abrotman | bsd: last thing i can say is to make sure sstuff in /etc/alternatives is pointing to working items |
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| 13:44.46 | abrotman | WHAT? |
| 13:44.55 | bsd | Ronin, it is almost Debian |
| 13:45.02 | Ronin | bsd: but not debian |
| 13:45.06 | abrotman | horseshoes .. hand grenades |
| 13:45.09 | Ronin | bsd: sort of like almost pregnant |
| 13:45.11 | eth0 | abrotman: did apt-get install xbase-clients and nothing installed. |
| 13:45.12 | Ronin | it is or it isnt |
| 13:45.20 | abrotman | eth0: what did it isay ? |
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| 13:45.30 | eth0 | 0 installed 0 upgraded.. |
| 13:45.46 | abrotman | eth0: updatedb && locate startx |
| 13:46.11 | abrotman | Ronin: got any leftover bacon? |
| 13:46.16 | bsd | abrotman, all stuff from /etc/alternaives is working fine |
| 13:46.25 | eth0 | so type "updatedb" i have no idea what im doing.. and i have one keyboard/mouse/ethernet cord between 2 systems so i have to keep switching it's so annoying ;/ |
| 13:46.30 | Ronin | abrotman: ya but you cant have it, going to be part of my afternoon snack |
| 13:46.38 | abrotman | eth0: oh .. jeez .. uh |
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| 13:46.44 | abrotman | eth0: you don't have network yet? |
| 13:46.58 | eth0 | yes i do.. |
| 13:47.15 | abrotman | eth0: so install sshd .. and then ssh into the box |
| 13:47.46 | abrotman | bsd: if you've got all the packages ... and alternatives is fine .. sounds liek busted knoppix packages |
| 13:47.52 | eth0 | theres all sorts of errors when i do startx.. "cannot open /dev/input/mice" etc. |
| 13:48.08 | bsd | Ronin, i have apt-get updated/upgrded from debian |
| 13:48.15 | abrotman | bsd: try #knoppix |
| 13:48.19 | FaithX | Hey guys I know debian ships with exim... is that really the best way to go? |
| 13:48.25 | PumpkinPie | how should i get my exim version ? |
| 13:48.28 | bsd | abrotman, ok |
| 13:48.28 | FaithX | What about courier? |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | Faithful: that's up to you to decide |
| 13:48.35 | bsd | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:48.41 | abrotman | eth0: oh .. so startx is there |
| 13:48.49 | eth0 | yeah just errors.. |
| 13:49.15 | abrotman | eth0: on the debian box .. put the word 'mousedev' in /etc/modules at the bottom .. and then modprobe mousedev .. then try startx again |
| 13:49.47 | eth0 | err and what do i use to edit that file? lol. |
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| 13:50.42 | abrotman | eth0: do you know how to use vi ? |
| 13:50.53 | abrotman | Ronin: remember that IP! |
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| 13:51.17 | abrotman | eth0: ? |
| 13:51.18 | eth0 | i don't know anything about debian.. i'm a windows user. |
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| 13:51.24 | eth0 | ;p |
| 13:51.34 | Ronin | we wont hold that against you eth0 |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | eth0: ok .. type this EXACTLY ... echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules .. the >> is VERY important |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | eth0: then reboot the machine .. try startx again |
| 13:52.02 | abrotman | or modprobe mousedev and try startx |
| 13:52.02 | FaithX | I have been running postfix up to now, but I see exim & courier have much better clamav & spamassassin integration |
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| 13:52.14 | eth0 | alright |
| 13:53.07 | PumpkinPie | troll |
| 13:53.21 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:53.56 | Ronin | PumpkinPie: who specifically |
| 13:54.26 | PumpkinPie | abrotman |
| 13:54.26 | Ronin | abrotman: seriously? heh |
| 13:54.31 | asg | abrotman: 1) don't put the front door key under the mat |
| 13:54.49 | Ronin | and what makes you think abrotman is a troll PumpkinPie |
| 13:55.03 | abrotman | asg: at least make it the back door key :) |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | Ronin: i doubt you'll get an answer :) |
| 13:56.17 | Ronin | abrotman: ya im not exactly holding my breath, and if we do get one i doubt very much it will be a logical answer |
| 13:56.26 | abrotman | Ronin: he's done it before |
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| 13:58.23 | abrotman | eth0x: better? |
| 13:58.37 | eth0x | kde runs.. but mouse doesnt work ;p |
| 13:58.43 | abrotman | plug it in! |
| 13:58.48 | eth0x | err it was ;/ |
| 13:58.49 | rhsanborn | Hey guys, I haven't been been around linux long enough to know where one typically installs programs. I'm used to Windows where programs are typically installed in Program files. I'm trying to setup tomcat atm, and I'm curious if there is a conventional location for programs like this. |
| 13:58.51 | abrotman | Ronin: see .. what a wussy |
| 13:59.12 | abrotman | rhsanborn: apt-get install tomcat4 or tomcat5 |
| 13:59.15 | eth0x | keyboard works fine but mouse wont.. im using that mouse on here so it's something in debians config. |
| 13:59.34 | abrotman | eth0x: did you boot the computer with the mouse plugged in ? |
| 13:59.39 | eth0x | yup |
| 13:59.42 | wols_ | abrotman: obvious things obviously don't need justification |
| 13:59.42 | rhsanborn | abrotman: I can't find an apt-get repository with java sdk |
| 13:59.49 | ChakRa | and all the progs go in your /usr/bin folder rhsanborn |
| 13:59.55 | abrotman | !tell rhsanborn about install java |
| 14:00.04 | rhsanborn | ChakRa: thanks |
| 14:00.08 | ChakRa | np |
| 14:00.18 | FaithX | abrotman: Does that install Sun Java? |
| 14:00.26 | abrotman | FaithX: it can |
| 14:00.27 | wols_ | rhsanborn: anything you install yourself (not as a .deb), goes to /usr/local |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | and that's just good unix sense! |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | eth0x: what kind of mouse ? |
| 14:01.27 | ChakRa | thanks wols_ frgot to mention that, rhsanborn you wana take that in account too ~__~ |
| 14:01.40 | eth0x | some gay microsoft ball mouse ;p |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | eth0x: try not to use that word |
| 14:01.59 | asg | abrotman: microsoft? |
| 14:02.02 | eth0x | lol. |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | that too :) |
| 14:02.21 | dvs | what's wrong with being happy? |
| 14:02.26 | asg | nothing at all |
| 14:02.34 | dvs | ouch1 |
| 14:02.48 | abrotman | eth0x: anyways .. you have to pick a port and protocol .. |
| 14:02.55 | abrotman | what protocol did you pick ? |
| 14:03.05 | eth0x | i dont know.. lol |
| 14:03.09 | abrotman | good job |
| 14:03.27 | abrotman | eth0x: dmesg | grep mouse .. see anything ? |
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| 14:06.24 | bsd | abrotman, linux/limits.h is missing |
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| 14:07.24 | abrotman | bsd: uh ... |
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| 14:07.31 | abrotman | !find linux/limits.h |
| 14:07.42 | wols_ | poor limits.h. anyone wanna file an APB? |
| 14:07.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'linux/limits.h' (4 of 33): (/usr/include/linux/limits.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/include/linux/limits.h) in libdevel/libklibc-dev ;; (/usr/i386-uclibc-linux/include/linux/limits.h) in libdevel/libuclibc-dev ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2/include/linux/limits.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.16-2. |
| 14:07.52 | eth0 | abrotman: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 14:07.59 | abrotman | eth0: really .. setup ssh already |
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| 14:08.10 | eth0 | i cant i told you i got one ethernet cord ;p |
| 14:08.27 | eth0 | have to buy one next week. ;p |
| 14:08.48 | abrotman | bsd: that just further proves knoppix is busted .. that should have been pulled in with build-essential on a debian box :) |
| 14:08.55 | wols_ | eth0: when you are apparently too dense to even answer questions abrotman poses properly, how can you ever think you can handle a computer? |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | eth0: oh jeez |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | eth0: ok .. you have network on the box .. apt-get install irssi-text .. and then irssi -c irc.freenode.net and come back here |
| 14:09.55 | bsd | abrotman, will apt-get install --reinstall build-essential work? |
| 14:10.18 | eth0 | ok |
| 14:10.47 | wols_ | bsd: insanity is defined as doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome |
| 14:11.13 | Tumber-Snapper | as |
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| 14:12.15 | Ronin | wols_: heh |
| 14:12.26 | Ronin | bsd: why not just install debian? |
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| 14:12.31 | Exclamation | im trying to install e17, i got the server in sources.list and the key is added but i dont know what the group is called |
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| 14:12.54 | bsd | Ronin, i think u r right |
| 14:14.39 | bsd | i do not have a cd-drive so i made knoppix work from another machine and installed it via PXE on to my DELL notebook |
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| 14:14.47 | dvs | bsd: from scratch |
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| 14:15.43 | bsd | i mean direct/only from an ISO |
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| 14:16.22 | dvs | bsd: how about a USB port? Can you boot from that? |
| 14:16.34 | thnee | how can i make ez-ipupdate automatically update the ddns? the service starts, but it doesnt do anything.. |
| 14:16.53 | wols_ | works fine for me here |
| 14:16.57 | wols_ | are you using ppp? |
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| 14:17.37 | thnee | no, direct link |
| 14:17.40 | bsd | dvs: no it is on old 4150 notebook\ |
| 14:17.55 | eth0x | alright im on irssi |
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| 14:18.32 | dvs | bsd: floppy drive? |
| 14:18.52 | bsd | dvs, yes i have floppy drive |
| 14:19.07 | dvs | bsd: you can install Debian that way |
| 14:20.00 | bsd | dvs, i have a latest debain 3.1 dvd but no drive :( |
| 14:20.10 | eth0x | so how do i get my mouse to work? ;[ |
| 14:20.28 | dvs | bsd: if you can make a couple of floppies and a network connection, you can install Debian |
| 14:20.30 | FaithX | eth0x: what's your problem |
| 14:20.38 | wols_ | 16:03 < abrotman> eth0x: dmesg | grep mouse .. see anything ? |
| 14:21.03 | eth0x | yeah read after that.. i said the output :) |
| 14:21.15 | bsd | dvs: from the net? |
| 14:21.18 | eth0x | PS/2 common device.. something like that |
| 14:21.27 | dvs | bsd: yup |
| 14:21.45 | FaithX | eth0x: reconfigure xserver |
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| 14:22.29 | wols_ | and for protocol use ps/2 or imps/2 |
| 14:22.33 | bsd | dvs: no possible/feasible, i'm on a slow 128kpbs ADSL link |
| 14:22.44 | eth0x | how do i re-config? |
| 14:22.45 | dvs | bsd: Yes it is possible |
| 14:22.54 | dvs | bsd: What alternative do you have? |
| 14:22.59 | quitte | how can i run an xserver that is accessible via vnc only? |
| 14:23.23 | bsd | dvs: i need to buy a dvd drive i think |
| 14:23.36 | dvs | bsd: It's your money |
| 14:23.50 | wols_ | !tell eth0x about drxx |
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| 14:25.05 | bsd | quitte, just run some vnc-server |
| 14:25.13 | eth0x | and how am i supposed to view priv msgs in irssi-text? oh my god.. lol |
| 14:25.35 | EvilDin | hay is there any tool to check system temperature (CPU, HDD |
| 14:26.02 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.07 | wols_ | or simply alt+a |
| 14:26.31 | eth0x | cool thanks |
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| 14:27.08 | abrotman | bsd: maybe ... try it |
| 14:27.15 | lontra | como estas |
| 14:27.29 | asg | !es |
| 14:27.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:27.40 | bsd | abrotman, :) |
| 14:27.50 | lontra | blah blah...i speak englih |
| 14:27.56 | lontra | but i can't type it |
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| 14:28.13 | asg | then feel free to not type it in #debian-es |
| 14:28.29 | lontra | ouch |
| 14:28.57 | thnee | when i boot it says "Starting Dynamic DNS client: ez-ipupdate." and the config file is correct, still it doesnt update my ip |
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| 14:30.35 | abrotman | eth0x: is it working ? |
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| 14:31.15 | bsd | abrotman, installing/upgrading linux-kernel-headers solved the problem |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | bsd: yeah .. those would have been installed on debian .. now you see the differences between knoppix and debian :) |
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| 14:32.39 | abrotman | !rdepends linux-kernel-headers sid |
| 14:32.58 | bsd | abrotman, i know, Knoppix is broken but i did not an alternative to install debian that quickly |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | bsd: use the etch installer? |
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| 14:33.17 | abrotman | takes .. five minutes? |
| 14:33.23 | dvs | too long! |
| 14:33.49 | abrotman | dear lastfm .. please please stop playing crap from twin peaks |
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| 14:35.22 | EvilDin | is possible to get info of temperatur of CPU and hardisk or not in debian? |
| 14:35.52 | dvs | !info lmsensors sarge |
| 14:36.05 | PumpkinPie | apt-get remove exim4 --purge but exim4 is still running and I can restart it etc? tho if I try to remove it again it says its not installed? |
| 14:36.35 | EvilDin | !info lmsensors sarge |
| 14:36.47 | EvilDin | hm nothing |
| 14:36.57 | dvs | !info lm-sensors sarge |
| 14:37.02 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:2.9.1-1sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 460 kB, Installed size: 1360 kB |
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| 14:38.20 | EvilDin | am how do i run it then |
| 14:38.41 | parjoha | Hello, how do I pipe both stdout and stderr output to a file? I'ts something to do with &, 2 and > but I can't figure out the combination or what to search for on google. |
| 14:38.48 | PumpkinPie | nevermind |
| 14:39.30 | EvilDin | dvs: and how do i use that tool after instalation |
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| 14:39.48 | dvs | EvilDin: run "sensors" |
| 14:39.52 | asg | parjoha: if you are using bash, >& is a non-portable way to do it |
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| 14:40.25 | EvilDin | i get no sensors |
| 14:40.25 | parjoha | asg: Using bash, yes. Thank you! |
| 14:40.26 | EvilDin | D: |
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| 14:40.44 | abrotman | Ronin: see .. the guy still didn't answer! |
| 14:41.40 | EvilDin | when runing sensors-detect ---> i get info that i have to load modules i2c-isa |
| 14:41.52 | dvs | EvilDin: then load it |
| 14:42.06 | EvilDin | and lm78 but modprobe say that doesn't exsit |
| 14:42.14 | EvilDin | exsist |
| 14:42.21 | dvs | EvilDin: custom kernel? |
| 14:42.24 | james_null | hello everybody, how to make apt to reconfigure mysql-server-5.0,php5 and apache2 so that it work together pelase ? |
| 14:42.38 | EvilDin | no i am using offial kernel of debian |
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| 14:44.30 | abrotman | james_null: which version of debian |
| 14:44.33 | abrotman | eth0x: did you get it working? |
| 14:44.43 | james_null | abrotman: etch |
| 14:44.57 | rhsanborn | !tell rhsanborn java-package |
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| 14:45.02 | abrotman | did you install php5-mysql and libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 14:46.01 | roym | Folks, If I manually do modprobe mousedev, I can get X11 working - how can I make sure that this works across reboots? |
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| 14:46.16 | abrotman | roym: put it in /etc/modules |
| 14:46.22 | roym | abrotman: thanks. |
| 14:46.24 | EvilDin | dvs: maybe i should install i2c-source, apt-get say that it may should be installed |
| 14:46.49 | james_null | abrotman: yes, it was working untill i restored a php.ini backup that made Zend Optimiser in case i wanted to uninstall it, however, the bacup file was blank |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | james_null: so fix it :) |
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| 14:48.10 | Emiml | hello |
| 14:48.39 | itsm | must go TODAY 2 dell xps m1710 laptops. price 600. these are on yahoo auctions. shipping is included in price and carry cases, message me if interested on aim at itscrazymikeeh or msn at mcsltd3@hotmail.com |
| 14:48.47 | Emiml | I'm trying to rebuild emacs-snapshot-gtk package |
| 14:48.57 | Emiml | as you can see here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/emacs-snapshot it has some interesting dependecies |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | !ops itsm spamming |
| 14:49.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: itsm spamming |
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| 14:49.19 | blondie | lets put itsm to death |
| 14:49.29 | Emiml | like mailx which depends on exim4 |
| 14:49.29 | james_null | abrotman: i installed a default php.ini, uncommented extensions mysql and mysqli.so, restarted apache, and it is still not working : mysql string does not appear in phpinfo(à output |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. he comes back every day |
| 14:49.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3607327.sympatico.ca] by peterS |
| 14:49.41 | *** kick/#debian [itsm!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-67-66-106-160.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
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| 14:49.59 | abrotman | james_null: did you change te correct php.ini ? |
| 14:50.05 | Emiml | so as the result to build this emacs package I need mail server. Is this normal ? Or someone put this by accidedent ? |
| 14:50.10 | peterS | gotta figure out how to make don's script work for me, doing that manually is a bit tiresome (: |
| 14:50.20 | abrotman | i can do it! |
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| 14:50.24 | james_null | i copied the modified php.ini to /etc and /etc/php5/apache2/ |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | peterS: you don't use irssi ? |
| 14:50.51 | peterS | abrotman: I do, and I have tried to use don's auto_bleh script, but it seems to malfunction for me and I haven't worked out why |
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| 14:51.22 | abrotman | peterS: you should bug the auto_bleh maintainer! :) |
| 14:51.50 | peterS | I could, but really this is something I should be able to figure out on my own. it's just a perl script, I've read it and I know basically how it works. |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | peterS: switch to xchat! :) |
| 14:52.13 | peterS | a very clever script, by the way, some neat tricks in it |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | there are |
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| 14:53.08 | Emiml | After "apt-get build-dep emacs-snapshot-gtk" I have all those packages installed, but when I try to build it with "dpkg-buildpackage" it shows errros about missing "lisp.h" file. |
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| 14:53.42 | jatt | Emiml: emacs from the CVS (which I think is the version the emacs-snapshot is based on) doesn't depends on mailx at all. |
| 14:53.49 | rhsanborn | Does anyone know where I can find an apt-get mirror that has sun-java5-jdk? |
| 14:54.03 | abrotman | rhsanborn: which version of debian ? |
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| 14:54.21 | rhsanborn | abrotman: Whatever the most recent Sarge release is |
| 14:54.23 | Emiml | jatt: but as you can see debian package depends on it http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/emacs-snapshot |
| 14:54.31 | abrotman | rhsanborn: use java-package |
| 14:54.35 | Emiml | jatt: should I file a bug-report agiainst this package ? |
| 14:54.44 | orchid | Emiml: isnt there an --disable-rmail option you can pass to configure? |
| 14:54.56 | orchid | (WRT exim) |
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| 14:56.13 | rhsanborn | abrotman: Thanks |
| 14:56.16 | Emiml | orchid: I can't pass anything, becuase configure fails at the beginig it says "lisp.h" file is missing |
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| 14:56.30 | abrotman | !tell rhsanborn about java-package |
| 14:56.39 | Emiml | orchid: is this possible that "Build-dpends" filed is completle messed-up ? |
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| 14:57.43 | wols_ | Emiml: bugs are always a possibility |
| 14:57.53 | wols_ | packages can have bugs on their own too |
| 14:58.00 | dayi | I am getting problem about netbeans installation . Is there anyone who installed netbeans on debian.On the site fedora is suggested |
| 14:58.01 | wols_ | unlikely but possible |
| 14:58.09 | rhsanborn | Now I remember why working with Linux was so much better...Linux lads are so much more cordial :P |
| 14:58.20 | orchid | Emiml: not sure, theres a debian emacsen mailing list archive you might search |
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| 14:59.09 | eth0x_ | hmm i tryed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it said xserver-xorg not installed |
| 14:59.16 | Emiml | orchid: huh 90% of traffic there is spam |
| 14:59.34 | Emiml | eth0x_: so install it |
| 14:59.48 | abrotman | eth0x_: so .. install it |
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| 15:00.26 | eth0x_ | i tryed apt-get install xserver-xorg.. |
| 15:00.29 | abrotman | and what?! |
| 15:00.32 | abrotman | TELL US! |
| 15:00.40 | eth0x_ | and "not found" |
| 15:00.44 | abrotman | are you on sarge? |
| 15:01.12 | eth0x_ | i dont even know what that is rofl. |
| 15:01.37 | Xjill | Is it possible to give everyone read access to specific parts of the mounted win partitions? I tried chmod of course, but it can't change the permissions on account of the win partitions being read-only. |
| 15:01.38 | Emiml | After apt-get build-dep <packagename>, It sholud be possible to run dpkg-buildpackage with no errors. And when it fail it means there is some bug |
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| 15:02.08 | abrotman | most likely |
| 15:02.09 | jetscreamer | Xjill: man mount, search for fmask and dmask |
| 15:02.18 | Xjill | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 15:02.23 | abrotman | eth0x_: are you still ircing from the linux box ? |
| 15:02.28 | eth0x_ | yeah |
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| 15:03.06 | zepeuga | i got a nvidia 7400 go, and ive installed nvidia drivers from their page, and after installing sucessfully and running nvidia-xconfig, it couldnt startx because glx and nvidia, could not be loaded...any help ? |
| 15:03.21 | jetscreamer | Xjill: but you might have to get fancy with mounting dirs in different places... not sure never thought about it |
| 15:03.29 | Emiml | zepeuga: install drivers from debian |
| 15:03.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | is it expected that there are no fonts for X in testing atm? |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | eth0x_: in your irc window .. /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:03.39 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: apt-cache search fonts .. i have htem |
| 15:03.41 | jetscreamer | zepeuga: if you used the .run apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev and redo it |
| 15:03.57 | eth0x_ | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 15:04.06 | abrotman | eth0x_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:04.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, the default fonts (i just did a base install ) are missing - can you find me which packages the core fonts are in so i can install them? |
| 15:04.30 | abrotman | xfonts-base ? |
| 15:04.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | stuff like usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/ (anything in fonts/X11) |
| 15:04.50 | eth0x_ | ok thanks ill try that |
| 15:04.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'll look |
| 15:04.53 | abrotman | apt-cache search fonts .. find the ones you want |
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| 15:05.07 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search ttf font maybe |
| 15:05.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | the ones that let me start x ;) |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | xfonts-base is probably all you need |
| 15:05.32 | zepeuga | jetscreamer, ok thx |
| 15:05.33 | trygg | Heh, how can i make Visualboyadvance run smoother? |
| 15:06.12 | jetscreamer | zepeuga: the .run is supported in #nvidia not here... #debian supports the debian .deb packages |
| 15:06.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. thats pulling in 'xserver', interesting. the installer warned xorg-server was missing, didnt meantion xserver |
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| 15:07.33 | zepeuga | jetscreamer, ok, but in there they shouldnt know that i would need to install xserver-xorg-dev :) |
| 15:07.35 | jetscreamer | trygg: but a new top ofthe line box maybe |
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| 15:08.00 | jetscreamer | zepeuga: yes they would, it's an nvidia dev who told in the first place :) |
| 15:08.15 | zepeuga | jetscreamer, ok :) thanks |
| 15:08.26 | zepeuga | im gonna try it again |
| 15:08.28 | trygg | jetscreamer: no other way? :) |
| 15:08.58 | jetscreamer | trygg: i'm sure there is another, it was just a joke, but a functional one |
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| 15:09.35 | jetscreamer | idly wonders |
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| 15:10.17 | EvilDin | how do i install i2c on debian |
| 15:10.23 | MrNaz | mdadm --monitor --oneshot /dev/md1 gives me SparesMissing on /dev/md1 unknown device but i know the array is there... am i typing the wrong command? |
| 15:10.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, that seems to have worked! thanks! |
| 15:10.45 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ |
| 15:11.21 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: there are kernel modules for i2c stuff, if that helps.. |
| 15:11.28 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: enjoy |
| 15:11.33 | EvilDin | which one |
| 15:11.43 | jetscreamer | there are many modules |
| 15:11.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks mate, i will :) |
| 15:11.56 | EvilDin | i found only 3 |
| 15:11.56 | jetscreamer | that are i2c related |
| 15:12.08 | jetscreamer | is that for sensors? |
| 15:12.09 | EvilDin | i need i2c-isa and lm78 |
| 15:12.14 | EvilDin | yes |
| 15:12.16 | jetscreamer | yeah they moved those |
| 15:12.34 | jetscreamer | they used to be in the same section |
| 15:12.46 | EvilDin | so it is not possible to install them |
| 15:12.59 | jetscreamer | no i mean like in menuconfig |
| 15:13.08 | jetscreamer | they just moved them to a different section |
| 15:13.24 | jetscreamer | 'corporate restructuring' |
| 15:14.06 | james_null | hello everybody, how can i ask apt to remake apache configuration please ? dpkg-reconfigure, apt-get remove + apt-get install didn't help me |
| 15:14.19 | EvilDin | so how do i use them now? |
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| 15:14.40 | jetscreamer | # Hardware Monitoring support |
| 15:14.46 | jetscreamer | modprobe them |
| 15:14.56 | jetscreamer | you can also run sensors-detect |
| 15:15.06 | jetscreamer | if you have lm-sensors installed |
| 15:15.21 | eth0 | abrotman: what mouse port do i select when doing re-config? |
| 15:15.32 | jetscreamer | are you compiling a kernel, or you just want to load the needed modules |
| 15:15.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | it just occured to me i should have installed x-window-system... sorry for troubling all ;) |
| 15:16.30 | EvilDin | i did run sensors-detect and it say that i need to load modules lm78 and i2c-isa, i try them to modprobe, but i get: not found |
| 15:16.41 | jetscreamer | /dev/input/mice is the usual default.. me i choose /dev/psaux for my ps2 mouse though |
| 15:16.56 | jetscreamer | and for a wheel mouse you choose imps2 inthe other section |
| 15:16.57 | abrotman | eth0: /exec -o uname -a |
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| 15:17.29 | eth0 | i'll try psaux this time then.. |
| 15:18.57 | dvs | EvilDin: grep I2C_ISA /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:19.38 | EvilDin | i did, nothing happen |
| 15:20.01 | dvs | EvilDin: you typed something wrong |
| 15:20.08 | EvilDin | i copy paste |
| 15:20.15 | jetscreamer | eth0: ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/index.html |
| 15:20.22 | dvs | EvilDin: Paste the whole thing in a paster |
| 15:20.29 | EvilDin | ok |
| 15:21.14 | EvilDin | http://paste.debian.net/10692 |
| 15:21.31 | k31th | anyone about that might no why im getting this problem. I have user bob can login to sm (using imap fine) and any other user wont login |
| 15:21.46 | dvs | EvilDin: I meant paste /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:21.49 | k31th | ERROR: |
| 15:21.50 | k31th | ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 15:22.16 | EvilDin | i get bash: /boot/config-2.4.27-3-386: Permission denied |
| 15:22.39 | cahoot | dvs: there's no I2C_ISA |
| 15:22.47 | dvs | cahoot: I have one |
| 15:22.50 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_I2C_ISA |
| 15:23.01 | jetscreamer | =y |
| 15:23.06 | dvs | EvilDin: Why can't you read that file? |
| 15:23.16 | EvilDin | i don't know |
| 15:23.23 | EvilDin | i am rooted |
| 15:23.35 | dvs | That makes no sense |
| 15:23.51 | jetscreamer | what does modprobe lm78 do for you |
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| 15:23.55 | dvs | EvilDin: ls -l /boot/config-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 15:24.17 | EvilDin | i get -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44853 2006-05-30 01:50 /boot/config-2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 15:24.29 | dvs | Then you can read it |
| 15:24.58 | EvilDin | ah |
| 15:25.01 | EvilDin | ok i edit now |
| 15:25.03 | zepeuga | jetscreamer, ive installed xserver-xorg-dev and still doesnt work...in #nvidia they dont respond... |
| 15:25.09 | EvilDin | what do i change there |
| 15:25.12 | dvs | EvilDin: Don't change it |
| 15:25.38 | dvs | EvilDin: just look for I2C_ISA |
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| 15:25.52 | EvilDin | nope |
| 15:25.54 | EvilDin | it is not i |
| 15:25.55 | EvilDin | n |
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| 15:27.44 | jetscreamer | if modprobe lm78 doesn't work you compiled your own kernel and messed it up |
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| 15:28.20 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf, use it |
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| 15:29.49 | EvilDin | i didn't compile anything, i get modprobe: Can't locate module lm78 |
| 15:30.24 | jetscreamer | ah shit |
| 15:30.25 | jetscreamer | 2.4 |
| 15:30.26 | EvilDin | i am using plain kernel from debian |
| 15:30.29 | EvilDin | yes |
| 15:30.32 | EvilDin | it is 2.4 |
| 15:30.38 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 15:31.09 | EvilDin | so it is impossible to get this work in debian 2.4 |
| 15:31.16 | jetscreamer | no, it's possible |
| 15:31.25 | EvilDin | i hope they will soon |
| 15:31.33 | EvilDin | i am just wainting on 2.6 |
| 15:31.43 | jetscreamer | install it then if you want it |
| 15:31.53 | EvilDin | i try sth once |
| 15:31.56 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 15:31.59 | EvilDin | and nothing work then |
| 15:32.23 | jetscreamer | okie lets find the 2.4 sensors |
| 15:32.31 | EvilDin | ok |
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| 15:32.55 | tefsom | is there apt for cute installation? |
| 15:33.11 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.16 | tefsom | cute the editor |
| 15:33.33 | k31th | chdir Maildir: No such file or directory // Im getting this error when trying to logon via imap any ideas ? |
| 15:33.45 | k31th | where does a Maildir go ? |
| 15:33.46 | wols_ | k31th: which imap server? |
| 15:33.55 | wols_ | it normally goes into your ~ |
| 15:33.57 | wols_ | man maildirmake |
| 15:34.04 | k31th | courier |
| 15:34.08 | wols_ | tefsom: apt-cache search cute |
| 15:34.15 | tefsom | wols_, nothing |
| 15:34.21 | wols_ | yes, courier has its maildir in ~ |
| 15:34.31 | wols_ | unless you use virtual users via myswl |
| 15:34.34 | k31th | which is the best imap server to use with squirrelmail ? |
| 15:34.42 | k31th | I see |
| 15:34.56 | wols_ | any imap server will work with squirrel. |
| 15:34.56 | k31th | can i change where it is ? |
| 15:35.13 | k31th | my old server had uw iamp |
| 15:35.17 | mutante_ | tefsom: if you dont find it, try getting the rpm from http://freshmeat.net/projects/cute/ and then use "alien -d" on it to convert to deb |
| 15:35.19 | wols_ | btw: check for a squirrelmail update in the next few days (security update) |
| 15:35.28 | k31th | imap does that |
| 15:35.32 | k31th | yeah i heard :s |
| 15:35.43 | jetscreamer | !tell EvilDin -about lm_sensors |
| 15:35.53 | wols_ | you can change it yes, dunno how myself. if you want a howto: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 15:36.08 | wols_ | mutante_: alien is about the worst. it never works |
| 15:36.22 | wols_ | mutante_: and if he can't find it, first place is backports, or apt-get.org |
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| 15:36.33 | jetscreamer | !lm-sensors-source |
| 15:36.46 | EvilDin | !lm-sensors-source |
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| 15:37.09 | jetscreamer | !lm_sensors-source |
| 15:37.10 | dpkg | Try lm-sensors-source |
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| 15:37.44 | blondie | abrotman: and avoiding k-line :( |
| 15:37.52 | blondie | abrotman: erm nm |
| 15:37.58 | abrotman | yeah! |
| 15:38.04 | ry1 | hello yall |
| 15:38.47 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:38.56 | EvilDin | !lm-sensors-source |
| 15:39.01 | EvilDin | !tell lm-sensors-source |
| 15:39.14 | EvilDin | !tell EvilDin lm-sensors-source |
| 15:39.19 | blondie | !spam |
| 15:39.19 | jetscreamer | http://www.lm-sensors.org/browser/lm-sensors/trunk/doc/lm_sensors-FAQ.html?format=raw |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | i heard spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 15:39.35 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: /msg dpkg <factoid_name> |
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| 15:40.17 | frankster | Hi! I'm trying to get GL working with my ATI card in X.Org 7. I don't seem to be able to have both the DRM and the FGLRX modules loaded at once, as it gives an error. Is this correct? |
| 15:40.31 | ry1 | abrotman: how hard is it to upgrade from sarge to etch? is it as easy as changing to the testing sources in apt and doing an apt-get update and apt-get dist upgrade? |
| 15:40.44 | abrotman | !tell ry1 about sarge->etch |
| 15:41.07 | dvs | ry1: but you can't downgrade |
| 15:41.10 | ry1 | abrotman: thanks, didn't know what to ask dpkg to get that :) |
| 15:41.17 | EvilDin | am still don't get what to do exetly |
| 15:41.18 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:41.37 | ry1 | dvs: that's fine, sarge is starting to piss me off, I compiled my latest kernel and everything worked but network support this time :) |
| 15:42.05 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: i believe you're either going to have to apt-get install i2c-source lm-sensors-source and figure out how to compile that as kernel modules, or figure out how to get a 2.6 kernel going |
| 15:42.11 | dvs | ry1: didnt it work before? |
| 15:42.13 | wols_ | ry1: it'S not sarge which is the culprit there... |
| 15:42.16 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: i have no idea wtf to do with 2.4 |
| 15:42.22 | EvilDin | :) |
| 15:42.32 | EvilDin | when will be debian going on 2.6? |
| 15:42.36 | dvs | jetscreamer: toss it? |
| 15:42.40 | jetscreamer | now |
| 15:42.43 | wols_ | EvilDin: it's long gone to 2.6 |
| 15:42.47 | dvs | EvilDin: it already is |
| 15:42.54 | wols_ | more than a year ago: sarge comes with 2.6 |
| 15:43.02 | EvilDin | no |
| 15:43.06 | dvs | yes |
| 15:43.07 | EvilDin | when i install sarge |
| 15:43.13 | EvilDin | i atomaticlly get 2.4 |
| 15:43.14 | ry1 | dvs: it booted, but this time I used an initramfs, and though I am sure that I compiled everything I was supposed to, for some reason, it refused to acknowledge my eth0 interface or get onto the net. |
| 15:43.18 | jetscreamer | you may have used an older sarge installer |
| 15:43.18 | wols_ | EvilDin: linux26 at the install prompt and you have 2.6 |
| 15:43.24 | wols_ | or simply apt-get a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:43.25 | jetscreamer | or what he said rather |
| 15:43.33 | jetscreamer | the default is 2.6 in ethc |
| 15:43.33 | wols_ | apt-cache search image |grep 2.6 |
| 15:43.34 | ry1 | dvs: and I'm too lazy to change to udev and the new module tools, so I'll just switch |
| 15:43.38 | wols_ | you will find loads of hits |
| 15:43.51 | EvilDin | i use network install, is that reason? |
| 15:43.55 | dvs | ry1: why use an initrd if you are compiling a kernel only for your computer |
| 15:43.59 | dvs | EvilDin: no |
| 15:44.11 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: when you boot the cd, you have to type linux26 at the boot: prompt |
| 15:44.18 | ry1 | dvs: because the laptop for some reason works better with one, it takes alot less time to boot |
| 15:44.23 | dvs | EvilDin: "Hit <F1> for help" |
| 15:44.28 | jetscreamer | ^ |
| 15:44.33 | EvilDin | jao |
| 15:44.33 | dvs | ry1: ??? |
| 15:44.35 | ry1 | dvs: that and I don't have to compile in every eide chipset support |
| 15:44.37 | dvs | ry1: not for me |
| 15:44.43 | EvilDin | is there possible safe update to kernel 2.6 |
| 15:44.53 | ry1 | evil: yep |
| 15:44.54 | wols_ | ry1: that is wrong |
| 15:45.00 | EvilDin | how |
| 15:45.02 | dvs | ry1: No, you compile the EIDE chipset for your computer ONLY |
| 15:45.22 | dvs | EvilDin: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-i386 |
| 15:45.27 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: yeah it works well afaik... haven't done a stock kernel in a while though |
| 15:45.31 | ry1 | dvs: it tends not to work in 100% native mode so it takes alot longer to load drivers for it. |
| 15:45.50 | rhsanborn | abrotman: thanks for the help w/ java |
| 15:45.53 | EvilDin | just these? |
| 15:45.57 | abrotman | rhsanborn: everything working ? |
| 15:46.04 | dvs | EvilDin: just what? |
| 15:46.06 | ry1 | dvs: that and my keyboard freezes for the first 20 seconds of bootup and the comp talks alot during that time and I can't shut it up |
| 15:46.06 | EvilDin | and everything will work automatically |
| 15:46.11 | ry1 | :) |
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| 15:46.20 | dvs | EvilDin: do you have SATA drives? |
| 15:46.28 | EvilDin | no |
| 15:46.36 | wols_ | then yes it will work |
| 15:46.40 | dvs | EvilDin: then it should work effortlessly |
| 15:46.48 | wols_ | and you keep your old kernel too, so in case you can always use that for booting |
| 15:47.00 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: keep your working kernel around though just in case |
| 15:47.02 | EvilDin | ok i will try |
| 15:47.03 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 15:47.06 | rhsanborn | abrotman: I just created the deb package...we'll see ina second :) |
| 15:47.24 | knowwho | what's that link to install kernel step by step |
| 15:47.24 | EvilDin | does it have to be set any special, to keep the old kernel |
| 15:47.24 | frankster | EvilDin: one thing to watch out for is that some device names change from 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 15:47.45 | wols_ | no, it will keep the old kernel by default |
| 15:47.49 | dvs | EvilDin: Just don' uninstall it until you know the new one works |
| 15:47.52 | abrotman | rhsanborn: ah ok |
| 15:47.59 | knowwho | made by Debian Women |
| 15:48.08 | EvilDin | ok |
| 15:48.18 | eth0x | got mouse working finally.. now im in kde screen reso is 640x480.. cant change it and i cant see all of some windows |
| 15:48.18 | EvilDin | i will try make boot with 2.6 |
| 15:48.31 | EvilDin | will graphical enviroment work? |
| 15:48.42 | dvs | EvilDin: yes |
| 15:48.48 | EvilDin | ok |
| 15:48.55 | EvilDin | let's check this out |
| 15:48.55 | EvilDin | :d |
| 15:49.00 | wols_ | EvilDin: if you use nvidia or fglrx driver you have to reinstall that since tehy need a kernel driver |
| 15:49.06 | DocOC | eth0x: try ctrl-alt-numpad+ |
| 15:49.20 | EvilDin | no i am using vesa :D |
| 15:49.26 | wols_ | why? |
| 15:49.32 | wols_ | vesa is icky |
| 15:49.36 | wols_ | what chipset? |
| 15:49.49 | EvilDin | sth old |
| 15:49.50 | eth0x | DocOS: nothing happens |
| 15:49.50 | EvilDin | :D |
| 15:50.02 | EvilDin | am when i try apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-i386, it doesn't happen anything |
| 15:50.10 | EvilDin | which version is the last |
| 15:50.15 | DocOC | eth0x: how did you configure X? |
| 15:50.16 | dvs | EvilDin: that one is |
| 15:50.32 | dvs | EvilDin: you are using sarge right? |
| 15:50.34 | jetscreamer | it's linux-image not kernel-image isn't it? |
| 15:50.37 | EvilDin | yes |
| 15:50.41 | EvilDin | aga |
| 15:50.42 | EvilDin | aha |
| 15:50.46 | DocOC | EvilDin: it's called linux-image-2.6-i386 |
| 15:50.49 | dvs | jetscreamer: for etch |
| 15:51.08 | jetscreamer | i don't know when/where they changed the naming |
| 15:51.12 | knowwho | what's that link to install kernel step by step? |
| 15:51.27 | EvilDin | still i can't install -- apt-get install linux-image-2.6-i386 |
| 15:51.27 | eth0x | DocOC: whatever the default is.. i set the default to 800x600 |
| 15:51.28 | dvs | jetscreamer: after sarge |
| 15:51.29 | DocOC | jetscreamer: when debian FreeBSD became an option. |
| 15:51.43 | dvs | !info kernel-image-2.6-i386 sarge |
| 15:51.43 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-image-2.6 sarge |
| 15:51.46 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6' (11 of 20): kernel-image-2.6-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic ;; kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-generic. |
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| 15:51.49 | DocOC | eth0x: no, I mean what method did you use to configure X? |
| 15:52.00 | dvs | oops! no "i" |
| 15:52.01 | knowwho | jetscreamer: that was you who pasted that forum link yesterday |
| 15:52.11 | jetscreamer | forum? |
| 15:52.14 | knowwho | yeah |
| 15:52.15 | eth0x | i don't know lol. |
| 15:52.16 | enouf | up until 2.6.8 up through .12 (?) or so, it's kernel-image, afterwards it's called linux-image |
| 15:52.17 | EvilDin | i think it should be used kernel-image-2.6-386 ?? |
| 15:52.20 | jetscreamer | for...? |
| 15:52.20 | dvs | EvilDin: try kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:52.24 | k31th | What imap servers work in the same way that wu imap works? as i want to just copy the mail over |
| 15:52.25 | knowwho | about compiling my own kernel |
| 15:52.29 | jetscreamer | ah no |
| 15:52.30 | knowwho | step by step |
| 15:52.35 | knowwho | that was you lol |
| 15:52.43 | knowwho | i was talkin to you yesterday |
| 15:52.50 | jetscreamer | i don't know of one offhand... i do advocate compiling your own though |
| 15:52.56 | knowwho | i was that person who had an "ICE" problem |
| 15:53.07 | knowwho | internal compiler error |
| 15:53.11 | jetscreamer | yeah i remember telling you something, i don't think it was a compile howto though |
| 15:53.13 | wols_ | k31th: afaik none. uw-imap is just too shitty |
| 15:53.29 | DocOC | eth0x: ok, well, what distribution do you use? (stable, testing, unstable) |
| 15:53.33 | jetscreamer | many ppl were helping you iirc |
| 15:53.36 | wols_ | !newbiedoc |
| 15:53.36 | dpkg | hmm... newbiedoc is http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 15:53.42 | wols_ | that has one |
| 15:53.47 | wols_ | or at least always did |
| 15:53.59 | wols_ | knowwho: if you had an ICE, what gcc version? |
| 15:54.00 | k31th | wols lol yeah ok, so wats my options? I have a few users on this old crappy server using wu imap |
| 15:54.14 | k31th | can i convert them it uses mbox type mail doesnt it ? |
| 15:54.15 | enouf | EvilDin -- use 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.*' if you use a P-Pro or better use 2.6.8-3-686, if not use the other 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:54.20 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg .. that was you wan't it |
| 15:54.41 | jetscreamer | wasn't |
| 15:54.41 | wols_ | yes mbox |
| 15:54.41 | knowwho | wols_: 3.3.5 |
| 15:54.41 | eth0x | docos: stable |
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| 15:54.48 | wols_ | keta_: "mbox to maildir conversion". enter it in google perhaps |
| 15:55.03 | k31th | wols_: ill have a digg about i guess there some tool to convert |
| 15:55.33 | DocOC | all you stable guys: does stable still use xfree? |
| 15:56.13 | eth0x | xfree86 |
| 15:56.21 | jetscreamer | it has it, not sure if it's stil the default |
| 15:56.35 | DocOC | eth0x: ok, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:56.38 | keta_ | wols_: I read only paper mail, wrong person |
| 15:56.49 | keta_ | wols_: :D |
| 15:57.07 | eth0x | ok thanks.. gotta restart. |
| 15:57.17 | DocOC | aww. car-talk is over :( |
| 15:58.04 | jetscreamer | DocOC: you mean on the radio? |
| 15:58.11 | DocOC | yep. |
| 15:58.13 | jetscreamer | my wife loves that |
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| 15:58.27 | DocOC | jetscreamer: I'm an NPR junkie. |
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| 15:59.03 | soultan | anybody good with wget? i need to download all the pdf files that are on and linked to http://www.visualcomplexity.com hence i tried wget -r -A.pdf http://www.visualcomplexity.com/ but that can't be right because it begins at --17:52:36-- and finishes at --17:53:23--, what am i doing wrong here? |
| 15:59.28 | jetscreamer | *.pdf |
| 15:59.45 | DocOC | soultan: you may be getting foiled by a robots.txt also. |
| 15:59.47 | jetscreamer | and you want -c |
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| 16:00.18 | dabreegster | I wonder why -c isn't implicit. |
| 16:00.42 | soultan | do i need -l0 too maybe? |
| 16:01.05 | frankster | when you want 3d acceleration do you need DRM module installed? Because wheN I try and insert drm + fglrx modules at the same time it gives an error! |
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| 16:01.39 | soultan | jetscreamer: the man has wget -r -l1 --no-parent -A.gif http://www.server.com/dir/ |
| 16:01.51 | Marupa | does anyone know of any text-to-speech apps that use alsa/oss, that actually sound halfway decent? |
| 16:02.26 | DocOC | Marupa: you and ry1 should talk. |
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| 16:02.47 | soultan | DocOC: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 16:02.50 | soultan | is that a robots.txt? |
| 16:03.09 | jetscreamer | -l1 would only be recursive one level down eh |
| 16:03.12 | Marupa | also: Are there any AVLS/normalize-on-the-fly plugins for xmms? |
| 16:03.23 | DocOC | soultan: try just downloading everything in the document root, non-recursive, and if there is a robots.txt, you should download it and be able to check it out. |
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| 16:04.15 | rhsanborn | Does anyone know if MySQL automagically starts itself after being installed with apt-get? |
| 16:04.20 | DocOC | ry1: are you around? |
| 16:04.28 | ry1 | yep |
| 16:04.33 | ry1 | did I miss something? |
| 16:04.43 | Marupa | just me asking about tts apps again. |
| 16:04.43 | ry1 | sorry, was checking other things :) |
| 16:04.48 | soultan | DocOC: nope, no robot |
| 16:04.52 | soultan | robots.txt even |
| 16:04.54 | DocOC | ry1: Marupa is asking about text-to-speech, I'm guessing you know more about it than anyone else in here... |
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| 16:05.02 | ry1 | marupa: oh, sorry about that, what did you want to know? |
| 16:05.06 | AIRAC | I got a new Conroe machine, but have trouble installing Debian, as my pata port is a bridged sata one, the sataatapi thing from the errata doesn't work :-/ |
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| 16:05.22 | Marupa | wondering if there's a tts app that uses alsa/oss, and sounds halfway decent. |
| 16:05.29 | dvs | AIRAC: try etch beta 3!!! |
| 16:05.37 | AIRAC | I downed it |
| 16:05.43 | EvilDin | ok pc normally boot with kernel 2.6 --> is there anything else that need to be updated? |
| 16:05.43 | AIRAC | Didn't work |
| 16:05.55 | ry1 | marupa: there is: you can either use speakup with speech dispatcher, or you can google espeak |
| 16:06.00 | dvs | EvilDin: run "sensors" |
| 16:06.03 | DocOC | soultan: that's good. You should be alright with the correct options, then. |
| 16:06.12 | Marupa | espeak didn't use alsa/oss |
| 16:06.16 | Marupa | I loved it though. |
| 16:06.26 | ry1 | marupa: I thought the new release did? |
| 16:06.27 | soultan | hehe |
| 16:06.29 | soultan | yeah i wish |
| 16:06.35 | EvilDin | still no sensors found |
| 16:06.37 | Marupa | I got whatever was newest. |
| 16:06.40 | cahoot | Marupa: looked at aqualung? |
| 16:06.43 | frankster | AIRAC: I'm jealous - my conroe's not been shipped yet! |
| 16:06.49 | AIRAC | hihi |
| 16:06.53 | dvs | EvilDin: modprobe i2c_isa lm78 |
| 16:06.59 | AIRAC | E6600, Corsair Twin-X PC6400 RAM |
| 16:07.06 | AIRAC | 7900GT |
| 16:07.08 | AIRAC | Nice machine |
| 16:07.10 | Marupa | not yet, cahoot |
| 16:07.47 | cahoot | Marupa: might be leading you in a wrong direction - it's a player |
| 16:08.06 | nocti | how can i "apt-get upate" without an internet connection? what files should i copy from where/to where (?/var/lib/apt/lists/*?) |
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| 16:08.14 | Marupa | what I need is something that I can type into to announce the titles of MP3s...or have it do it automatically. |
| 16:08.18 | EvilDin | bingo i did sensors-detect |
| 16:08.24 | EvilDin | and load nessessery modules |
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| 16:08.30 | EvilDin | and works now everything |
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| 16:09.04 | AIRAC | BTW AMD64 or i386 for Conroe? What would you do? |
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| 16:09.37 | AIRAC | It is a 32bit proc, but EMT64 does a fine job |
| 16:09.37 | samhob | hello all is there a good sound driver alsa howto for debian? ive already tried 2 different install and 3 different sound card never works!! i copiles the sound modules on the kernel but at the alsaconf theres always a problem |
| 16:09.56 | EvilDin | does anything else need to be update, since gettring from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 16:10.00 | dvs | samhob: why are you compiling the sound modules? |
| 16:10.11 | DocOC | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:10.12 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 16:10.13 | dvs | EvilDin: Have you tried your sound? |
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| 16:10.34 | EvilDin | i don't need it |
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| 16:10.43 | EvilDin | it is server mashine |
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| 16:10.46 | EvilDin | :) |
| 16:10.47 | samhob | to have sound ;) i dont like alsa-drivers |
| 16:10.53 | Led_Zeppelin | any good programs to convert flac to wav (cd audio)? |
| 16:10.58 | dvs | EvilDin: then no, If everything else seems to be working then it's fine |
| 16:11.03 | EvilDin | ok |
| 16:11.11 | DocOC | samhob: you are sol if you don't like alsa, because the kernel uses it now. |
| 16:11.21 | samhob | i use alsa!! |
| 16:11.28 | cahoot | Led_Zeppelin: flac -d ? |
| 16:11.29 | DocOC | as do we all. |
| 16:11.33 | samhob | but the one with the kernel |
| 16:11.37 | samhob | no the independent drivers |
| 16:11.37 | Led_Zeppelin | cahoot, flac -d will do that? |
| 16:11.39 | samhob | not |
| 16:11.50 | dvs | samhob: what kernel? |
| 16:12.00 | Marupa | so any idea on a tts app? |
| 16:12.04 | DocOC | samhob: you still need the alsa-base and alsa-utils to configure it, even though you are using the alsa modules from the kernel. |
| 16:12.05 | Led_Zeppelin | cahoot, let me try that |
| 16:12.07 | samhob | when i run alsaconf it detecs my card but after configuration finishes sound never works... no such device :) |
| 16:12.19 | samhob | yes i installed alsa-base and utils |
| 16:12.23 | samhob | kernel 2.6.17.8 |
| 16:12.29 | Marupa | multiple sound cards? |
| 16:12.37 | dvs | samhob: lspci | grep audio |
| 16:12.39 | enouf | EvilDin: I guess 'apt-get update' atleast and maybe (wait for others to clarify please) 'apt-get upgrade' -- but atleast do a 'sudo updatedb' |
| 16:12.50 | samhob | i trieed alreaydy 2 sound cards |
| 16:13.01 | Marupa | simultaneously? |
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| 16:13.04 | samhob | no |
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| 16:13.19 | samhob | this time it a cm8738 card |
| 16:13.22 | AIRAC | 2 sounds cards simultaneously works |
| 16:13.22 | samhob | i compiled its modules |
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| 16:13.25 | AIRAC | No problem |
| 16:13.51 | samhob | i also tried an other s card with cs46xx thing , same problem after alsaconf stil doesnt work |
| 16:14.06 | ry1 | samhob: you get the error that it doesn't exist right? |
| 16:14.10 | samhob | yes ! |
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| 16:14.18 | ry1 | samhob: heh, me too |
| 16:14.19 | Marupa | also'd still like to get my tablet working x.x |
| 16:14.24 | ry1 | samhob: what kernel |
| 16:14.32 | samhob | 2.6.17.8 |
| 16:14.45 | dvs | samhob: you compiled the kernel yourself? |
| 16:14.49 | ry1 | samhob: and you compiled all the alsa things in as modules? |
| 16:14.51 | samhob | yes |
| 16:15.10 | ry1 | samhob: you could try apt-getting all the alsa packages like dpkg said |
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| 16:15.35 | samhob | ok |
| 16:15.46 | samhob | hey thats it !! |
| 16:15.50 | ry1 | samhob: though, they should technically be there. I think it might be possible that though you compiled support for alsa into the kernel, you may still have to kpkg a modules image with the alsa sources |
| 16:15.51 | samhob | i think .. |
| 16:16.07 | samhob | because i only install alsa-utils ( and i though alsa-base was a dependency |
| 16:16.14 | dvs | samhob: it is |
| 16:16.15 | ry1 | samhob: let me know how it works out because I am trying to do the same thing |
| 16:16.24 | dvs | !depends alsa-utils sarge |
| 16:16.25 | dpkg | alsa-utils: depends on libasound2 (>> 1.0.8), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), dialog | whiptail, modutils (>= 2.3.5-1) | module-init-tools, pciutils (>= 1:2.1.11-4), alsa-base (>= 1.0.8-4) |
| 16:16.26 | samhob | ok |
| 16:16.35 | samhob | hmm... |
| 16:16.42 | ry1 | wait |
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| 16:16.53 | ry1 | isn't module-init-tools replaced by something different in 2.6? |
| 16:17.07 | samhob | ?? |
| 16:17.08 | ry1 | that could be the problem |
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| 16:17.23 | ry1 | I'm pretty sure that you have to use a new module management tool for 2.6 |
| 16:17.40 | dvs | ry1: No, modules-init-tools replaces something else for 2.6 kernels |
| 16:17.40 | ry1 | oh |
| 16:17.40 | grendelson | I'm running debian packaged kernels. Is the scsi emulation compiled in or do I have to customize the kernel and recompile? |
| 16:17.54 | grendelson | 2.6.15 or /17 |
| 16:17.54 | ry1 | sorry, thought it was the other way around |
| 16:17.54 | samhob | thats it !! |
| 16:18.01 | dvs | samhob: what's it? |
| 16:18.04 | grendelson | I absolutely CANNOT burn any cds under 2.6.15 in a USB burner or an IDE dvd burner . |
| 16:18.04 | samhob | alsa-utis doesnt depend on alsa-base ;) |
| 16:18.04 | ry1 | samhob: working? |
| 16:18.13 | ry1 | ah haha |
| 16:18.17 | samhob | although it tells it will install it :s |
| 16:18.22 | grendelson | I'm just looking for possibilities... |
| 16:18.23 | dvs | samhob: not according to dpkg |
| 16:18.28 | samhob | you still need to apt get alsa-base yourself |
| 16:18.35 | ry1 | samhob: tell me whether alsaconf works after that :) |
| 16:18.45 | samhob | according to my system ;) (testing and last updated) |
| 16:18.48 | samhob | yep it did! |
| 16:18.53 | ry1 | awsome |
| 16:18.56 | ry1 | now I know what to do |
| 16:19.08 | samhob | ;) |
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| 16:20.07 | abrotman | grendelson: as root or anyone ? |
| 16:20.18 | abrotman | grendelson: btw .. you do not need scsi emu for 2.6 |
| 16:20.21 | terminal|giga | my debian box: boris@zeus:~$ uptime |
| 16:20.21 | terminal|giga | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.05 | Exclamation | how do i remove an app and all its un used deps? apt-get remove gftp |
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| 16:21.05 | grendelson | abrotman, As root or as anyone - I've readeverything I can find - Ive tried cdrdao, cdrecord, lots of options. I cant get it to burn a CD! I can burn DVDs just fine... |
| 16:21.19 | abrotman | grendelson: with scsi emu ? |
| 16:21.28 | abrotman | Exclamation: you sohuld have used aptitude to install it |
| 16:21.32 | grendelson | abrotman, I used to be able to burn on my external usb burner but never on my IDE DVD/CDburner |
| 16:21.51 | abrotman | grendelson: i have never ever used scsi emu with 2.6 |
| 16:21.58 | grendelson | abrotman, No all my attempts have been with 2.6 and ide-cd. |
| 16:22.04 | abrotman | grendelson: what app? |
| 16:22.11 | Exclamation | ok...so if i used apt-get i cant remove the deps? |
| 16:22.26 | abrotman | Exclamation: deborphan is one way to clean up |
| 16:22.28 | grendelson | abrotman, I noticed that the Knoppix and the ubuntu LIVE cds use scsi emulation so they are not a good test to see I can burn under one of those. |
| 16:22.49 | abrotman | they might load it .. but might not use it for cdrw |
| 16:22.51 | Exclamation | abrotman: ok, thanks. i will check it out |
| 16:23.09 | abrotman | !tell Exclamation about deborphan |
| 16:23.10 | grendelson | I did burn under 2.4 kernel with scsi emul. ow under 2.6 I did burn on the usb drive under 2.6.8 but now under 2.6.15 I can't burn anything! |
| 16:23.21 | abrotman | grendelson: which app? |
| 16:23.47 | grendelson | abrotman, Any app, I've tried cdrdao, cdrecord... I can burn dvd without issue... |
| 16:24.11 | abrotman | grendelson: any GUI apps ? |
| 16:24.26 | abrotman | cdrecord would need like dev=ATAPI(0,0,1) or some crap |
| 16:24.28 | grendelson | Whn I try to scanbus with dev=ATA I get errors about /dev/hda not being able to grant exclusive proprties or something |
| 16:24.36 | abrotman | grendelson: as root ? |
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| 16:24.56 | grendelson | abrotman, Yes, and yes, the GUI apps just use cdrecord and assume default locations (unless you edit those |
| 16:25.09 | grendelson | I tend to sudo and I tried root but failed either way. |
| 16:25.39 | grendelson | DVD burner alwasy says not ready just as it gets to burn point and usb burner just states no disk or errors out... |
| 16:26.16 | abrotman | cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus |
| 16:26.18 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 16:26.36 | grendelson | scsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1 |
| 16:26.36 | grendelson | Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface. |
| 16:26.36 | grendelson | Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. |
| 16:26.37 | Marupa | I've got two cameras: a Vivitar and a Kodak...will they work in linux as mass storage devices? |
| 16:26.49 | abrotman | grendelson: yep .. i get that too |
| 16:27.01 | abrotman | grendelson: the only burning app i've used recently is gnomebaker |
| 16:27.02 | grendelson | but I get nothing else... |
| 16:27.22 | grendelson | If I use ATAPI I get results |
| 16:27.27 | abrotman | grendelson: and it has a "Scan for devices" .. and it magically works :) |
| 16:27.29 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.42 | abrotman | is that your USB one ? |
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| 16:27.52 | peterS | grendelson: in 2.6.15 you really want 'dev=/dev/scd0' style |
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| 16:27.53 | abrotman | so that's the device afaik |
| 16:27.59 | grendelson | No the usb one I have to jst scanbus since it sees it as scsi (usb) |
| 16:28.01 | abrotman | peterS: they broke it agian ? |
| 16:28.09 | peterS | though I suppose dev=0,0 probably still works |
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| 16:28.25 | grendelson | peterS, My ide drive is /dev/hdc |
| 16:28.37 | peterS | grendelson: wait I thought you said you were using an external USB drive |
| 16:28.42 | abrotman | he has both |
| 16:29.07 | peterS | grendelson: if you want to use your internal driver, that would be 'dev=/dev/hdc' and do _not_ load the ide-scsi module (load ide-cd instead) |
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| 16:29.15 | grendelson | peterS, No I have an internal IDE DVD/CD Plextor burner I have never got to burn CDs correct so I used my external USB cd burner. Now neither work. |
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| 16:29.52 | grendelson | peterS, Got that - I do not have ide-scsi loaded. I am trying dev=/dev/hdc |
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| 16:30.02 | grendelson | Still I just error out... |
| 16:30.10 | abrotman | does it even make coasters? |
| 16:30.27 | peterS | grendelson: oh hmmm. I've had no problems with internal drives and recent kernels and dev=/dev/hdc style |
| 16:30.35 | grendelson | abrotman, No - I can pull the exact same disk and pop it in windows laptop and burn iso after copying it via samaba |
| 16:30.40 | abrotman | grendelson: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 16:30.54 | grendelson | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2006-08-11 22:57 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 16:31.09 | abrotman | and htat is your intenal drive ? |
| 16:31.22 | grendelson | abrotman, Yes |
| 16:31.41 | peterS | grendelson: does a basic operation like 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -atip' work? should print out a bunch of info about your drive and your CD-R disc |
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| 16:33.03 | grendelson | peterS, I'll paste results.... |
| 16:33.07 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:33.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 16:33.46 | rhsanborn | Alright, I created the .deb package for the java sdk, and I installed it...does anyone know to where it installs? |
| 16:34.04 | rhsanborn | It didn't set the JAVA_HOME path, and I need to set it manually |
| 16:34.11 | peterS | rhsanborn: you can use 'dpkg-deb --contents' on the .deb file, or 'dpkg -L' on the package name, to find out |
| 16:34.16 | Marupa | hi...um....where does linux put the pictures I take on my camera? |
| 16:34.20 | rhsanborn | peterS: thanks |
| 16:34.39 | abrotman | !recard |
| 16:34.43 | peterS | rhsanborn: but JAVA_HOME is stupid and ugly, I thought the debian java packaging got around the need for that |
| 16:35.00 | peterS | s/c/t/ ? |
| 16:35.04 | rhsanborn | peterS: tomcat needs it apparently |
| 16:35.07 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 16:35.08 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 16:35.19 | abrotman | rhsanborn: how did you install tomcat ? |
| 16:35.28 | Marupa | anyone? x.x |
| 16:35.39 | abrotman | Marupa: with what application ? |
| 16:35.44 | cahoot | Marupa: where you tell it to |
| 16:35.59 | rhsanborn | abrotman: I'm trying to setup a demo version of a CMS system called Alfresco, I believe a copy of tomcat is packaged in and started with alfresco via a .sh script |
| 16:36.02 | ry1 | won't some camera apps make a camera user account? |
| 16:36.03 | Marupa | I don't know...it saw my camera, saw that there were pics, and said do you want to import or cancel. |
| 16:36.06 | grendelson | peterS, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3415 |
| 16:36.14 | Marupa | no app. |
| 16:36.19 | Marupa | I plugged in the camera. |
| 16:36.28 | abrotman | Marupa: are you using kde/gnome ? |
| 16:36.32 | Marupa | gnome |
| 16:36.45 | abrotman | grendelson: that's your drive! |
| 16:37.03 | abrotman | Marupa: probably under your Documents folder .. but i can't be certain .. i've never let gnome handle those automagically |
| 16:37.11 | abrotman | Marupa: are they normally jpg or gif or what? |
| 16:37.29 | Marupa | jpg |
| 16:37.37 | Marupa | and, I don't have a documents folder. |
| 16:37.47 | grendelson | abrotman, ? |
| 16:37.48 | abrotman | Marupa: cd ~ && find . -name *.jpg |
| 16:37.51 | peterS | grendelson: so it says 'device not ready' at the bottom. does it say the same when you actually try to write a CD? |
| 16:37.52 | abrotman | grendelson: isn't it ? |
| 16:38.13 | abrotman | cdrecord: This version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code. |
| 16:38.13 | peterS | abrotman: use -iname not -name, lots of cameras store their pictures as .JPG rather than .jpg (: |
| 16:38.16 | abrotman | that might be more important |
| 16:38.22 | abrotman | peterS: stupid cameras! |
| 16:38.27 | grendelson | peterS, Most of the time , sometimes It shows more data then gives an error - I'll paste resutls of a burn attempt. |
| 16:38.40 | abrotman | apparently grendelson's DVD/CDRW is actually DVDR/CDRW |
| 16:38.55 | abrotman | he may need the dvdrwtools or whatever it is |
| 16:38.58 | peterS | abrotman: think of it as a way for the camera to get away with not supporting FAT long file names (original short filenames were uppercase only) |
| 16:39.06 | Marupa | didn't find them, abrotman. |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | Marupa: cd ~ && find . -iname *.jpg |
| 16:39.17 | peterS | abrotman: well, burning a CD _should_ still work. burning a DVD, obviously not. |
| 16:39.22 | grendelson | abrotman, It is a DVD burner and CD burner . It burns DVDs just fine single and dual layer.... |
| 16:39.22 | abrotman | Marupa: peterS said to use iname |
| 16:39.26 | Marupa | I did that, abrotman. |
| 16:39.32 | grendelson | But I cant burn CDs and that shoudl be the "esay" part! :-) |
| 16:39.37 | abrotman | peterS: it's the error it threw |
| 16:39.41 | abrotman | Marupa: and nothing ? |
| 16:39.46 | Marupa | nothing. |
| 16:39.47 | abrotman | Marupa: did it remove them from the camera ? |
| 16:39.52 | Marupa | no |
| 16:40.10 | abrotman | Marupa: but you did tell them to import them |
| 16:40.16 | Marupa | yup |
| 16:40.17 | abrotman | i wonder if whatever app did that stores them in a DB |
| 16:40.20 | abrotman | Marupa: etch ? |
| 16:40.22 | Marupa | yep |
| 16:40.32 | ry1 | okay, I have run into the same problem as before, for some reason, though my nic card is detected, it no longer obtains an ip address or anything, does anyone know what is wrong or what more info I can give? |
| 16:40.45 | abrotman | Marupa: if you go Applications->Graphics .. is gThumb there? |
| 16:40.48 | peterS | Marupa: well, you can run 'gphoto2 -P' and it will pull all your pictures down to the current directory. but if your GUI app already did this, I don't know where _it_ put them |
| 16:40.57 | ry1 | it is a delink rtl chipset PCMCIA nic |
| 16:41.01 | Marupa | nope, gthumb isn't there. |
| 16:41.22 | Marupa | gphoto2 command not found. |
| 16:41.37 | peterS | Marupa: oh, gphoto2 is a package you have to install if you want to use it |
| 16:41.44 | Marupa | mmmk, a sec. |
| 16:41.48 | abrotman | so it imported them and went poof ? |
| 16:42.31 | ry1 | anyone? |
| 16:42.42 | Marupa | the pics are still on the camera |
| 16:43.18 | Marupa | ok, gphoto2 working |
| 16:43.25 | abrotman | ry1: try running dhclient ? |
| 16:43.30 | Marupa | argh. |
| 16:43.34 | Marupa | unknown model |
| 16:43.36 | Marupa | o.O; |
| 16:43.52 | peterS | oh, gphoto2 doesn't know how to deal with your camera? what camera is it? |
| 16:44.06 | Marupa | Kodak DX6490 |
| 16:44.43 | ry1 | abrotman: that was it, it said something about disabling privacy extentions, do I have to do this every time I boot? |
| 16:44.47 | peterS | indeed that's not listed by 'gphoto2 --list-cameras' |
| 16:45.00 | abrotman | ry1: it's wireless ? |
| 16:45.04 | peterS | I bet it would work anyway if only you knew which camera it is closest to and could tell gphoto2 that |
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| 16:45.09 | ry1 | abrotman: nope, still have to remake the kernel for that |
| 16:45.16 | abrotman | peterS: it is on mine |
| 16:45.18 | ry1 | it's just a PCMCIA nic |
| 16:45.28 | peterS | ry1: privacy extensions is a somewhat obscure IPv6 option, you can ignore it |
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| 16:45.43 | Marupa | yes it is on the list, peterS |
| 16:45.43 | ry1 | peter: but do I have to disable it every time I boot up? |
| 16:45.52 | abrotman | peterS: it's not supported on sarge but it is on etch ? |
| 16:45.55 | abrotman | erm .. duh |
| 16:45.58 | abrotman | s/sarge/sid/ |
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| 16:46.10 | ry1 | abrotman: it was supported on sarge, when I made my kernel2.6 |
| 16:46.16 | peterS | Marupa: oh yeah, so it is, I made a typo when searching the list |
| 16:46.22 | abrotman | ry1: your card works .. just requires intervention ? |
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| 16:46.31 | Marupa | ok, so what do I do? |
| 16:46.37 | peterS | ry1: you can ignore the whole issue of the IPv6 privacy extensions. you probably aren't even using IPv6 at all. |
| 16:46.44 | ry1 | abrotman: yes, I'm just wondering if I have to intervene every time I boot because that could get anoying |
| 16:46.48 | peterS | Marupa: 'gphoto2 -P' does not actually download anything? |
| 16:46.56 | Marupa | has an error - unknown device. |
| 16:47.11 | cahoot | Marupa: gphoto2 --auto-detect fails too? |
| 16:47.13 | Marupa | er, model, not device. |
| 16:47.17 | peterS | Marupa: does it work if you run it as root? I'm curious because it _could_ be USB device permissions |
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| 16:47.24 | abrotman | ry1: might be able to get it with an option to the interfaces file .. but i've no idea what itmight be |
| 16:47.41 | Marupa | yeah, works as root x.x |
| 16:47.49 | peterS | Marupa: so it's downloading photos now? |
| 16:47.56 | Marupa | only two to download, but yeah. |
| 16:48.00 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 16:48.02 | abrotman | permissions issue ? |
| 16:48.08 | peterS | yep |
| 16:48.10 | ry1 | abrotman: k, recompiling kernel to have wireless anyway, just won't put in IPV6 what so ever. is there anything different about kernel compiling in etch that I should know? |
| 16:48.19 | Marupa | how would I fix that? |
| 16:48.28 | abrotman | ry1: why are you recompiling ? |
| 16:48.44 | ry1 | abrotman: same reason as before, no sources for speakup kernel and I want madwifi |
| 16:48.50 | peterS | Marupa: if you're running udev and doing fancy stuff with that, it's quite possibly something as simple as adding yourself to the 'camera' group: adduser yourusername camera |
| 16:48.56 | abrotman | !tell ry1 about madwifi install |
| 16:48.58 | peterS | Marupa: (and then logging out / logging in, so that it takes effect) |
| 16:49.12 | abrotman | there's a camera group ? |
| 16:49.13 | Marupa | mmk, thanks |
| 16:49.21 | ry1 | abrotman: using etch, and don't have headers for speakup kernel |
| 16:49.22 | abrotman | hey .. there is |
| 16:49.24 | peterS | abrotman: there is on my system and I don't think I put it there |
| 16:49.33 | abrotman | peterS: you got haxx0r3d |
| 16:49.37 | ry1 | abrotman: we talked about this last week :) |
| 16:49.38 | peterS | doh! |
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| 16:49.52 | abrotman | ry1: oh yeah .. i forgot about the debian-kernel team not liking speakup |
| 16:50.09 | ry1 | abrotman: that's okay, but that's why I'm recompiling :) |
| 16:50.10 | abrotman | ry1: there's no alternative to speakup ? |
| 16:50.21 | ry1 | ry1: there's yasr, but it sucks compared to speakup |
| 16:50.24 | ry1 | woops |
| 16:50.26 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 16:50.26 | ry1 | abrotman* |
| 16:50.39 | Marupa | erm, really quick question for any gimp users out there: how do you do auto-levels? x.x |
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| 16:51.24 | ry1 | abrotman: if only because yasr isn't a kernel level screen reader, so I don't get all the boot messages or the login prompt |
| 16:51.24 | abrotman | Marupa: if noone answers .. ask #gimp on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:51.24 | Marupa | thanks |
| 16:51.30 | Marupa | I'm a native photoshop user x.x gimp hates me. |
| 16:51.31 | dvs | ry1: But that's so fun to listen to! ;-) |
| 16:51.43 | abrotman | Marupa: requires time .. |
| 16:51.49 | ry1 | abrotman: yes, brltty works, I know the developer personally as he lives close to me, I just hate bralle :) |
| 16:51.54 | ry1 | brallie* |
| 16:51.57 | ry1 | erg |
| 16:52.03 | abrotman | Marupa: there are some things from photoshop you'll never get the same way |
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| 16:52.07 | Marupa | yeah, true, but it took me all of a day to learn over half of what I know in photoshop. x.x |
| 16:52.17 | abrotman | ry1: it's a guy? the person i know is a girl in canada |
| 16:52.34 | ry1 | abrotman: the inventer of brltty is a guy named david meilki I believe |
| 16:52.39 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 16:52.42 | abrotman | not the person i know |
| 16:52.54 | abrotman | ry1: do you know why speakup is insecure ? |
| 16:53.16 | ry1 | abrotman: heh, I wouldn't be surprised if I know her too, there aren't that many blind people in canada without some form of mental handicaps, and no clue |
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| 16:53.28 | Ady01 | How to upload file on server over sftp protocol through shell |
| 16:53.46 | abrotman | lftp i think supports that |
| 16:53.55 | Ady01 | sftp user@login.com ..........??? |
| 16:54.06 | peterS | Ady01: what happened when you tried that? |
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| 16:54.34 | Ady01 | sftp user@login.com website.com |
| 16:54.39 | Ady01 | I connect to server |
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| 16:54.47 | Administrator | after 1day uptime my Timing buffered disk reads: went wayy down... why? |
| 16:54.52 | peterS | Ady01: yeah now just type 'send yourfilename' |
| 16:54.53 | Ady01 | but how to upload file from my pc |
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| 16:54.57 | cahoot | Marupa: tools->color tools->levels |
| 16:55.04 | Marupa | thank you |
| 16:55.09 | Ady01 | sftp> send filename |
| 16:55.29 | ry1 | abrotman: where does the etch version of wget put downloaded files? they don't seem to appear in my home dir anymore |
| 16:55.31 | Marupa | ...what the heck? x.x |
| 16:55.35 | Marupa | it froze. |
| 16:55.35 | abrotman | we need a !tell <blah> about Administrator |
| 16:55.44 | abrotman | ry1: should be $PWD |
| 16:56.07 | pipeline | abrotman: My unprivileged account is called Administrator :P |
| 16:56.14 | peterS | ry1: yeah it puts files in the current directory. if you do some sort of recursive mode, it'll create lots of parent directories mirroring what the actual http site looks like |
| 16:56.20 | abrotman | pipeline: tard! :)O |
| 16:56.46 | peterS | abrotman: but maybe the guy who just joined here is the real Administrator for the whole Internet |
| 16:57.03 | peterS | we wouldn't want to piss him off! |
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| 16:58.34 | abrotman | peterS: uh .. why are you awake? |
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| 16:58.46 | abrotman | beu: is your irc client broken ? |
| 16:58.47 | dvs | Yay! The 2.4.33 kernel is out! |
| 16:58.55 | abrotman | dvs: is 2.0.42 out yet? |
| 16:59.03 | beu | abrotman: it was desynced, yes |
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| 16:59.16 | Ady01 | here is answer: sftp> put local-path-of-file |
| 16:59.22 | abrotman | oh .. they don't even show 2.0.x on the site anymore |
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| 16:59.36 | chino[dev1 | how do i stop getty from starting up at boot ? |
| 16:59.38 | peterS | abrotman: it took a long time to solve that one guy's subversion problem. (we finally did though! I and a svn upstream dude!) and then I stuck a little patch in for our next upload and ... at some point it hardly seems worth it to go to bed |
| 16:59.55 | abrotman | peterS: so it wasn't his fault ? |
| 16:59.57 | ry1 | abrotman: the college I go to still runs 2.1 on their gateway server... could be alot of fun :) |
| 17:00.02 | Deimos__ | i've installed sarge, and i want to mount my usb key ( mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb_key , /dev/sda is my hd sata ) ... however it doesn't work |
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| 17:00.17 | abrotman | ry1: 2.2 ? |
| 17:00.23 | Marupa | er...what was the program that could handle sftp graphically, again? x.x |
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| 17:00.32 | Deimos__ | with tail -f, i plug my usb key : nothing |
| 17:00.33 | peterS | abrotman: it wasn't, it was either my fault or upstream's, depending on how you look at it. but it took awhile to figure out what was going on because the way he originally reported it was very confusing |
| 17:00.38 | dvs | Deimos__: how do you know it's /dev/sdb? |
| 17:00.54 | abrotman | peterS: you mena "Is anyone having problems with subversion?" :) |
| 17:01.01 | abrotman | !tell Deimos__ about usb storage |
| 17:01.17 | peterS | abrotman: see, when you say 'svn --version' it reports the version number of the _library_, which in this case was different from the version of the _binary_. ('subversion' and 'libsvn0' are two different packages.) if I'd realised that right away, I would have been in business. |
| 17:01.27 | pipeline | Marupa: nautilus? |
| 17:01.33 | Marupa | thank you, pipeline |
| 17:01.40 | pipeline | Marupa: ctrl+l, sftp://user@host/path |
| 17:01.43 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. are you going to fix that ? |
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| 17:01.52 | Marupa | cool, thanks |
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| 17:02.34 | marz | is this version of Debian on the isos: Debian Debian Linux 3.1 stock 2.6.8-2-386? |
| 17:02.35 | peterS | abrotman: already have (: if you install a current subversion package it forces the library package to be the same version - exactly to reduce this specific case. however, I hadn't done that 8 months ago when we released the package he had |
| 17:02.49 | dvs | marz: yes |
| 17:03.00 | marz | ok stable enough? |
| 17:03.01 | abrotman | wtf would they say the DSA is on the shadow package ... when it doesn't exist |
| 17:03.09 | abrotman | peterS: ah ok |
| 17:03.13 | peterS | abrotman: so yeah, I knew about the library version skew thing, but the way this guy reported what he had done, it sounded like that wouldn't have been possible, so I didn't get him to check for that right away |
| 17:03.24 | Marupa | thanks a ton, guys |
| 17:03.24 | abrotman | that sucks |
| 17:03.43 | peterS | abrotman: shadow is the source package name, 'apt-cache showsrc shadow' |
| 17:04.23 | marz | for running virtual machines?? |
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| 17:04.35 | abrotman | i suppose .. but it's kind of misleading |
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| 17:04.46 | Marupa | still need to get my tablet working, but I don't think that'll happen any time soon. |
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| 17:04.56 | abrotman | Marupa: still nothing if you plug it in ? |
| 17:05.11 | abrotman | (you oddly enough .. might get help with that in #gimp .. though don't ask directly) |
| 17:05.20 | Marupa | dmesg and lsusb find it, but no response from the tablet other than middle click. |
| 17:05.25 | g333k | Hey, do you think that is possible to do my PC firewall using a P1 133Mhz with 32M of RAM and 1G of hdd ? |
| 17:05.25 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:05.32 | marz | one last question: will the VESA 2 and SVGA drivers support most chipsets? |
| 17:05.34 | abrotman | g333k: it is |
| 17:05.35 | ry1 | g33: yes |
| 17:05.44 | abrotman | g333k: i have a box that is a P150 with 24MB |
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| 17:05.56 | ry1 | abrotman: what software? |
| 17:06.00 | ry1 | debian and shorewall? |
| 17:06.06 | peterS | abrotman: so the other reason I'm still up is, I'm trying to decide whether to call a guy and get information about an out-of-town event to attend this afternoon ... or return a call to someone else about somewhere I could go early this evening. so like I'm double booked. |
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| 17:06.27 | peterS | if I go down for a nap now, I'll probably sleep through both |
| 17:07.14 | abrotman | ry1: that box i have is a listserv |
| 17:07.25 | abrotman | peterS: ah ... yeah .. i got double booked .. and it looks like both will cancel :) |
| 17:07.31 | ry1 | abrotman: ah, thought we were talking about firewalls? :) |
| 17:07.34 | peterS | suckage |
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| 17:09.56 | abrotman | peterS: well yes .. they both wanted to go the phillies game :) |
| 17:09.56 | g333k | abrotman, using debian? what version/kernel? |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | ry1: no .. the listserv does more work than a firewall |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | g333k: sarge with a 2.4 |
| 17:09.57 | ry1 | g33k: I wouldn't suggest running a firewall with debian unless you have some sysadmin experience though |
| 17:09.58 | g333k | abrotman, iptables right? |
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| 17:10.00 | g333k | abrotman, did you documented that proccess? |
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| 17:10.03 | rhsanborn | abrotman, peterS: I set the JAVA_HOME var and tomcat works like a charm now. Thanks for your help. |
| 17:10.12 | peterS | cool |
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| 17:10.18 | Deimos__ | abrotman, i've usb_storage & sd_mod loaded |
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| 17:10.26 | Deimos__ | may be an error with hotplug, nop ? |
| 17:10.37 | g333k | ryl, centos ? |
| 17:10.39 | Deimos__ | because i've many errors with /etc/init.d/htplug start |
| 17:10.42 | Deimos__ | hotplug * |
| 17:10.42 | abrotman | g333k: no .. my super slow box does a listserv |
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| 17:10.57 | ry1 | g33k: and guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't shorewall with webmin be the best debian firewall combo to use? |
| 17:11.21 | abrotman | no way |
| 17:11.21 | abrotman | vi and iptables :) |
| 17:11.24 | ry1 | g33k: if you are a total linux noob, you might want to look up IPCop |
| 17:11.32 | ry1 | abrotman: :) |
| 17:11.37 | peterS | people should refer to the vi and iptables combination as 'viptables' |
| 17:11.47 | Evan__ | help! i installed debian on my laptop but when i boot it never passes :boot |
| 17:12.05 | ry1 | evan: what kind of laptop, still the toshiba satelite cs110? |
| 17:12.06 | g333k | abrotman, The thing is that I have to prepare a firewall using iptables, so I wanted to know if my box was ok for that work |
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| 17:12.31 | ry1 | g33k: you make it sound like it's for a class or something |
| 17:12.45 | g333k | ryl, I'm a 45% experienced linux user |
| 17:13.17 | ry1 | g33k: ah, kk, well, if it's any help, I am using a 486 as an iptables firewall |
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| 17:13.37 | ry1 | just keep in mind that you can't run things like squid on a box like that |
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| 17:13.41 | g333k | ryl, debian? |
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| 17:14.06 | ry1 | g33k: I used to, and it worked fine, but I decided to switch to lfs for that as it was smaller |
| 17:14.07 | g333k | ry1, debian, what version? |
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| 17:14.18 | ry1 | g33k: sarge 2.4.27 |
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| 17:14.49 | Evan__ | ry1 yeah i have now internet connection! but i think i installed the worng kernel |
| 17:15.02 | Evan__ | ry1 you know a good kernel? |
| 17:15.08 | ry1 | evan: which one did you install? |
| 17:15.11 | g333k | ry1, did you followed some manual? |
| 17:15.20 | ry1 | g33k: enitially |
| 17:15.28 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 17:15.29 | dpkg | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 17:15.30 | Evan__ | ry1 sometyhign like kernel 2.6.4.8-386 |
| 17:15.50 | ry1 | g33k: just keep in mind that you don't want to lock yourself out of your box when your firewall goes up |
| 17:15.54 | jsn | dpkg news |
| 17:15.54 | ry1 | :) |
| 17:16.00 | g333k | abrotman, Yep I know.. I'm reading some pdf that I foud on the web |
| 17:16.05 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 17:16.18 | ry1 | g33k: not the one called using linux as a gateway? |
| 17:16.27 | marz | is there a xen package for debian?? |
| 17:16.28 | ry1 | g33k: most of those are outdated |
| 17:16.37 | Evan__ | ry1 sometyhign like kernel 2.6.4.8-386 |
| 17:16.39 | Marupa | any ideas on how to get my tablet working? even if non-pressure-sensitive? |
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| 17:16.48 | ry1 | even: sounds good, but your laptop is old |
| 17:16.51 | Marupa | I can live with non-pressure sensitivity. |
| 17:17.09 | abrotman | Marupa: have you checked the X documentation? |
| 17:17.11 | g333k | ry1, abrotman, So you didnt documented your work... too bad |
| 17:17.12 | ry1 | evan: and I couldn't find any notes on installing linux for it, only x, but that's no good if your kernel won't boot |
| 17:17.27 | Marupa | where would I do that? |
| 17:17.28 | ry1 | g33k: no, sorry about that, I'm not good with doccumentation |
| 17:17.29 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Wacom-Tablet-HOWTO.gz |
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| 17:17.46 | abrotman | g333k: it's not that hard .. and like i said .. mine is a listserv . not a firewall (i have an alpha firewall) |
| 17:17.47 | ry1 | g33k: either look up ipcop.org or find the shorewall package for debian |
| 17:17.57 | ry1 | abrotman: lucky you |
| 17:18.04 | jbalcomb | Anyone know how to make syslog-ng log the command history of root? |
| 17:18.18 | ry1 | abrotman: I found a second hand spark server for 45 bucks, but didn't know what ram and hdd I needed for it |
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| 17:18.37 | abrotman | ry1: i've got another alpha as DNS and another under my desk collecting dust |
| 17:18.39 | Evan__ | ry1 some1 adviced me kernel 2.6.4.8-686 |
| 17:18.49 | ry1 | evan: you could try that |
| 17:18.56 | ry1 | abrotman: oo, can I have it? :) |
| 17:18.58 | abrotman | Evan__: kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:19.11 | abrotman | ry1: i'm not even sure it works .. it has the bad firmware too |
| 17:19.16 | ry1 | ah :) |
| 17:19.20 | marz | brb debian install |
| 17:19.26 | ry1 | was just joking anyway :) |
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| 17:19.57 | mnguyen | I am about to setup a new webserver (BIND, SENDMAIL, and LAMP) and I am trying to decide between Debian and Ubuntu 6.06 LTS. Why should I go with one or the other? |
| 17:20.00 | jbalcomb | ry1: you wanna buy my sparc 2, sparc 5, sparc server 20, a 21" monitor, and several pill boxes + miscellaneous parts? |
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| 17:20.12 | ry1 | jbalcomb: price? |
| 17:20.24 | wols_ | mnguyen: what I wanna know is why you would use bind (sorry: BIND) ? |
| 17:20.30 | wols_ | or snemdial of all things |
| 17:20.47 | abrotman | bind is ok .. but sendmail .. ick |
| 17:20.49 | mnguyen | wols_: i haven't setup a server for a long time... is there any better DNS daemon? |
| 17:20.52 | wols_ | *sendmail |
| 17:21.04 | jbalcomb | ry1: $67.00 |
| 17:21.10 | wols_ | why hosting your own DNS? but as you wish I guess |
| 17:21.10 | mnguyen | and wha twould you recommend as an alternative to sendmail? |
| 17:21.15 | wols_ | and sendmail is just awful |
| 17:21.20 | abrotman | wols_: you don't host your own dns? |
| 17:21.22 | wols_ | anything else |
| 17:21.24 | ry1 | jbalcomb: condition? |
| 17:21.24 | abrotman | mnguyen: postfix or exim |
| 17:21.35 | abrotman | ry1: you forgot to ask the shipping cost :) |
| 17:21.42 | ry1 | was getting to that :) |
| 17:21.51 | wols_ | abrotman: dunno. I always wondered what that hamster is always running in this wheel |
| 17:22.03 | mnguyen | abrotman, how about bind alternatives? |
| 17:22.05 | jbalcomb | ry1: unknown, they've been sitting on the shelv for 3 years. |
| 17:22.08 | abrotman | wols_: eheh |
| 17:22.12 | wols_ | and whenever he sleeps I get "unknown host". maybe you#re upt to something |
| 17:22.21 | ry1 | jbalcomb: on ebay? and shipping costs? |
| 17:22.27 | abrotman | mnguyen: there are others .. but most really do use bind .. and i like bind |
| 17:22.34 | abrotman | it's way better than it was as bind8 |
| 17:23.11 | jbalcomb | ry1: i'd have to check the weight but i'm sure its fairly high since they're probabably 100+ lbs. |
| 17:23.16 | jbalcomb | ry1: whats your zip? |
| 17:23.18 | abrotman | mnguyen: apt-cache search dns server |
| 17:23.24 | ry1 | jbalcomb: in canada |
| 17:23.34 | wols_ | mnguyen: but to come to your initial question: you should chose your places to ask this question more carefully. /me points to channel name |
| 17:23.36 | jbalcomb | ry1: anywhere near ottowa? |
| 17:23.41 | ry1 | jbalcomb: 100 pounds, that wouldn't be worth it |
| 17:24.01 | mnguyen | wols_, hehehe... i know... but i wanted to knwo the pros/cons |
| 17:24.04 | ry1 | jbalcomb: that's almost industrial freight costs :) |
| 17:24.24 | mnguyen | abrotman, what's normally preferred? postfix or exim? |
| 17:24.30 | ry1 | jbalcomb: however, depending on where you are, I may do a pick up |
| 17:24.31 | abrotman | mnguyen: if you want to know why to use debian over ubuntu .. we can help you with that a bit |
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| 17:24.35 | biz | what is a good source for real high resolution (usable on twinview) good quality wallpapers? |
| 17:24.36 | abrotman | mnguyen: i use postfix .. many use exim |
| 17:24.46 | jbalcomb | ry1: yeah, i know. i'll be in ottowa in september for america's labor day weekend |
| 17:25.01 | ry1 | jbalcomb: when exactly? |
| 17:25.12 | mnguyen | hmmmm |
| 17:26.05 | jbalcomb | ry1: the weekend of september 4th actually |
| 17:26.15 | ry1 | jbalcomb: flying? |
| 17:26.22 | jbalcomb | ry1: no, driving |
| 17:26.33 | mnguyen | what do major webhosts normally use? postfix or exim? |
| 17:26.41 | abrotman | depends on requirements |
| 17:26.50 | ry1 | jbalcomb: hmmm, is your trunk big enough for those sparks? might reduce shipping costs |
| 17:26.55 | abrotman | sparcs! |
| 17:27.01 | ry1 | jbalcomb: and duties for that matter |
| 17:27.02 | jbalcomb | mnguyenl: we use postfix with amavis, spamassassin, and clamav |
| 17:27.13 | jbalcomb | ry1: yeah, i got a big trunk |
| 17:27.24 | mnguyen | jbalcomb, you own a hosting company? |
| 17:27.24 | ry1 | abrotman: heh, didn't pick up on the spelling of that one :) |
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| 17:28.27 | ry1 | jbalcomb: let me investigate the shipping costs from ottawa to montreal for something that heavy or, shipping to an ottawa address of a friend of mine I can later pick up from |
| 17:28.34 | AIRAC | biab giving my install another shot with a fresh iso |
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| 17:28.46 | jbalcomb | mnguyen: i work for a company that does marketing services and designing/hosting e-commerce sites is part of it |
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| 17:29.11 | Tobsn | hi guys |
| 17:29.15 | abrotman | jbalcomb: which CPU in the sparc5? |
| 17:29.26 | jsn | Is it /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 17:29.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:29.33 | Tobsn | i have a little problem... everytime i execute something "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 84: __libc_memalign: Assertion `page != ((void *) -1)' failed!" appears... |
| 17:29.50 | jbalcomb | ry1: ok, i might be able to leave it friend in downtown ottowa if you wanna pick it up. maybe give him $20 for his trouble? |
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| 17:29.55 | Tobsn | like ps or ps --help or top... |
| 17:29.56 | k31th | I know this is probly easy but, how can i replace say /sbin/nologin to /bin/false ? (using vim) |
| 17:30.04 | k31th | in the /etc/passwd file |
| 17:30.07 | ry1 | jbalcomb: that's workable |
| 17:30.23 | ry1 | jbalcomb: though you will be on irc some time between now and then correct |
| 17:30.24 | mnguyen | between postfix and exim... which one uses less resources? |
| 17:30.35 | abrotman | jbalcomb: where are you located now ? |
| 17:30.40 | abrotman | generally :) |
| 17:30.42 | jbalcomb | abrotman: i'm not sure. if i recollect my sparc hardware the 2 and 5 are probably 50-100 and the server 20 might be 150-200 |
| 17:30.48 | cahoot | k31th: vipw |
| 17:30.54 | abrotman | jbalcomb: Mhz ? |
| 17:30.56 | k31th | cahoot: ? |
| 17:30.57 | jbalcomb | abrotman: cleveland, ohio, usa |
| 17:31.18 | quitte | k31th: try vimtutor |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | ah .. i thought maybe if you were closer i might snag one .. but those are kind of slow for fun stuff :) |
| 17:31.27 | Tobsn | hmm? no one? |
| 17:31.40 | jbalcomb | abrotman: that is correct, don't be confused by comparing sparc mhz with intel mhz |
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| 17:31.45 | ry1 | abrotman: they would help me learn about the sparc architecture though wouldn't they? |
| 17:31.47 | Titan | hello |
| 17:32.00 | jbalcomb | abrotman: the 2 running CDE (linux=X) just fine |
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| 17:32.11 | abrotman | ry1: yep .. and ifyou can get a copy of Solaris7 .. they should work on those .. though dunno about any device to help you view it |
| 17:32.25 | abrotman | jbalcomb: i know about sparc hardware .. a 170Mhz is still slow :) |
| 17:32.25 | ry1 | abrotman: headless install through null modem cable |
| 17:32.29 | jbalcomb | abrotman: the 2 and 5 are desktop X workstation from VerIO |
| 17:32.31 | Titan | Anyone know how to add squashfs in debian ? |
| 17:32.53 | tbl | do I need to download both DVD torrents to install debian? |
| 17:32.53 | abrotman | jbalcomb: the last sparcs i touched were about 333Mhz |
| 17:32.58 | abrotman | tbl: no |
| 17:33.01 | abrotman | !d-i tbl |
| 17:33.02 | dpkg | tbl, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:33.08 | tbl | hehe thanks :) |
| 17:33.12 | jbalcomb | abrotman: i guess i'm more patient than some cause i never felt bad about them. CDE using Netscape |
| 17:33.13 | abrotman | eh .. maybe a newer sun blade |
| 17:33.22 | abrotman | jbalcomb: what .. not hot java ? :) |
| 17:33.33 | jbalcomb | abrotman: not in 1999 |
| 17:33.39 | wols_ | abrotman: no. CDE is punishment enough |
| 17:33.40 | tbl | abrotman, ah, well, that's where I actually had gone... which led me to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 17:33.41 | abrotman | jbalcomb: no .. they're great workstations .. they're fun to learn on .. but slow |
| 17:33.43 | wols_ | more than enough |
| 17:33.45 | abrotman | wols_: i liked cde |
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| 17:33.53 | tbl | abrotman: and there are two torrents there, and I wasn't sure which (or both?) to get |
| 17:33.55 | wols_ | you like bind too |
| 17:33.57 | glontu | hello |
| 17:33.58 | Titan | Anyone has squashfs FS on his Debian ? |
| 17:34.02 | abrotman | fuse? |
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| 17:34.11 | glontu | can someone please tell me how to determine what files a package has installed ? |
| 17:34.23 | jbalcomb | abrotman: i was fonder of blackbox<?>, very stripped down and run at grayscale |
| 17:34.25 | wols_ | glontu: man dpkg. especially -L |
| 17:34.34 | glontu | thanks wols |
| 17:34.45 | abrotman | jbalcomb: i know it well .. i used to run it on my 486 .. when it was still hosted at alug or whatever it was |
| 17:34.49 | mnguyen | Is debian coming out with a new stable version soon? |
| 17:34.54 | abrotman | !tell mnguyen about wwer |
| 17:34.56 | wols_ | mnguyen: december |
| 17:34.57 | ry1 | no |
| 17:34.59 | abrotman | !tell mnguyen about why debian |
| 17:35.09 | wols_ | abrotman: we actually have a release date :) |
| 17:35.15 | jbalcomb | abrotman: got to work at midnight, logged in, it loaded all my terminal auto from my script on 16 windows and i studied for my CCNA waiting for flashing screens |
| 17:35.19 | abrotman | wols_: yeah .. and they had one for sarge too :) |
| 17:35.28 | abrotman | jbalcomb: hehe .. that'll do it |
| 17:35.32 | wols_ | pessimist :P |
| 17:35.42 | abrotman | wols_: realist .. have you seen the latest bug report? |
| 17:35.44 | wols_ | don't you trust our glorious maximo liders? |
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| 17:36.06 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00008.html |
| 17:36.06 | jbalcomb | abrotman: how late was sarge to release? |
| 17:36.11 | abrotman | wols_: after they forced the last release .. no |
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| 17:36.27 | mnguyen | wols_: hehe december... means a couple delays until december of 2007 huh? |
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| 17:36.32 | mnguyen | wols_: hehehe just kidding |
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| 17:36.41 | abrotman | jbalcomb: eh .. i think it was six months to a year .. i don't remember .. but remember .. Debian isn't supposed to operate releases based on dates .. but when it's ready |
| 17:37.20 | ry1 | abrotman: have you tried swsus recently? |
| 17:37.27 | abrotman | suspend? |
| 17:37.32 | ry1 | abrotman: yes |
| 17:37.34 | wols_ | mnguyen: in the end: usually I'm thinking "if you compare a release of another distro to a debian unstable snapshot they're about equally good |
| 17:37.38 | wols_ | but then, I'm biased :P |
| 17:37.39 | abrotman | i thnik suspend is stupid :) |
| 17:37.51 | mnguyen | hahaha |
| 17:37.53 | Tobsn | i have a little problem... everytime i execute something "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 84: __libc_memalign: Assertion `page != ((void *) -1)' failed!" appears... |
| 17:37.54 | abrotman | if you're not using it .. turn it off |
| 17:37.55 | Tobsn | somebody? |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | Tobsn: on sarge/sid what? |
| 17:38.07 | jbalcomb | abrotman: oh damn, i just help the other SysEng convinced our boss we could use etch because the official release was around the corner... |
| 17:38.12 | ry1 | abrotman: and I guess there is no way to resume without passing a kernel argument? because that would be my problem |
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| 17:38.20 | Tobsn | sarge |
| 17:38.24 | ry1 | abrotman: can't read the boot prompt |
| 17:38.25 | abrotman | jbalcomb: it is coming .. they've started freezing |
| 17:38.30 | mnguyen | we use centos4 at work, i use gentoo on my laptop, and ubuntu on my desktop... i thnk i might as well try to build a server from debian |
| 17:38.37 | abrotman | ry1: no idea .. i've never used it |
| 17:38.37 | Tobsn | Linux 2.6.8-022stab078.1-enterprise #1 SMP Thu May 11 13:51:08 MSD 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:38.43 | wols_ | Tobsn: dpkg -l libc6. what version is it? |
| 17:38.44 | abrotman | wtf kernel is that? |
| 17:38.46 | ry1 | abrotman: k |
| 17:38.52 | wols_ | abrotman: no debian kernel |
| 17:38.54 | Tobsn | # dpkg -l libc6. |
| 17:38.54 | Tobsn | Segmentation fault |
| 17:39.04 | abrotman | jbalcomb: just the bug number is high .. needs to come down before a release |
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| 17:39.16 | mnguyen | i used to like gentoo... i reaaally like portage... but i reaaally hate how a simple update can sometimes break the whole damn system |
| 17:39.21 | jbalcomb | abrotman: i hope so or i will feel the fool. our new dell server has some driver suppoer for its ethernet and scsi, etch was the only to support both on the install |
| 17:39.35 | Evan__ | how can i erase my whole hd? |
| 17:39.41 | abrotman | jbalcomb: there is security support for etch now .. but i don't know how good it is |
| 17:39.42 | mnguyen | is php5 in the stable branch? |
| 17:39.45 | mnguyen | for debian? |
| 17:39.48 | wols_ | mnguyen: no |
| 17:39.49 | abrotman | no |
| 17:39.54 | ry1 | even: you could use a big magnet :) |
| 17:39.56 | mnguyen | ::frowns:: |
| 17:40.00 | jbalcomb | abrotman: gentoo may have but we have FUD here about gentoo removing things from portage before we are done using them |
| 17:40.03 | abrotman | you can use backports or get your own |
| 17:40.04 | wols_ | mnguyen: no mysql5 either |
| 17:40.09 | mnguyen | ::sighs:: |
| 17:40.15 | Tobsn | abrotman, any ideas? |
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| 17:40.29 | mnguyen | wols_: what version of apache is stable? 1.x? |
| 17:40.30 | jbalcomb | ry1: jbalcomb@hotmail.com if you wanna let me know about them sparcs |
| 17:40.31 | mnguyen | heheheh |
| 17:40.31 | mnguyen | =D |
| 17:40.34 | abrotman | Tobsn: seg faults usually indicate hardware issues |
| 17:40.37 | wols_ | 1.x and 2.x |
| 17:40.55 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 17:41.01 | Tobsn | Aug 12 19:39:06 vs241011 CRON[30710]: PAM [dlerror: libcrypt.so.1: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 17:41.06 | Tobsn | looks like the memory is broken... |
| 17:41.13 | wols_ | Tobsn: memtest86 |
| 17:41.42 | Tobsn | -bash: memtest86: command not found |
| 17:41.53 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 17:41.54 | dpkg | well, ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
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| 17:41.59 | jbalcomb | apt-get update; apt-get install memtest |
| 17:42.00 | mnguyen | wols_: what version of php5 and mysql5 are available in unstable? |
| 17:42.02 | wols_ | memtest is something you run instead of your linux kernel |
| 17:42.09 | wols_ | mnguyen: packages.debian.org |
| 17:42.19 | jbalcomb | wols_: at the boot prompt? |
| 17:42.22 | Tobsn | hehe |
| 17:42.23 | Tobsn | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 84: __libc_memalign: Assertion `page != ((void *) -1)' failed! |
| 17:42.25 | Tobsn | on apt-get |
| 17:42.26 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 17:42.34 | abrotman | we know .. |
| 17:42.36 | Tobsn | that comes if i execute anything |
| 17:42.36 | wols_ | Tobsn: liveCD |
| 17:42.44 | Tobsn | its a vps |
| 17:42.53 | ry1 | abrotman: wow, etch comes with alot more laptop related features, including special initialization for my PCMCIA bridge :) |
| 17:43.06 | wols_ | a VPS has a base system it's not the VPS' which has bad memory if anything... |
| 17:43.34 | wols_ | memtest or reinstall imho. those are your main choices right now |
| 17:43.48 | abrotman | you mean 'reimage' :) |
| 17:43.59 | wols_ | whatever :) |
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| 17:44.34 | wols_ | Tobsn: are the other virtual machines alright on that server? |
| 17:45.16 | mnguyen | wols_: so on a server... i would try to run stable/a few packages from testing? |
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| 17:45.38 | wols_ | mnguyen: I wouldn't. at this point in time, either go stable or full testing. never mix+match |
| 17:46.14 | bluefox83 | ok, i'm trying to use burn to burn an iso to disk...and every time i do "burn -I -n foo.iso" it spits out that it needs a disk...yet i put a blank cdrw in ... |
| 17:46.16 | wols_ | mongrel systems are worse than either of the base ones. backports are a way, but I'm a bit split on them |
| 17:46.18 | mnguyen | wols_: hmm okay.. i really need php5.. so i guess ill go testing |
| 17:46.21 | Tobsn | wols, no idea |
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| 17:46.53 | bluefox83 | how do i tell it where to find my dvdrw? |
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| 17:47.00 | bluefox83 | actually..it was a blank cdr |
| 17:47.08 | wols_ | Tobsn: since you're in a VPS memtest makes no sense unless you can run it on the host system |
| 17:47.19 | wols_ | inside the VPS it'S useless, probably won't even run |
| 17:47.31 | Tobsn | wols, yeah thats right... |
| 17:47.34 | Tobsn | i wrote to the support |
| 17:47.52 | Tobsn | there must be something wrong on the host system... i have just LAMP on this server |
| 17:48.08 | Tobsn | and not playing around with the kernel etc. |
| 17:48.10 | wols_ | hoe there are up to date backups? |
| 17:48.18 | Tobsn | i hope... |
| 17:48.24 | Tobsn | last one is from 16.07. |
| 17:48.35 | jbalcomb | does it make sense to rotate the log files right before a back up then tar the rotated log files while skipping the active log files due to "file changed while reading"? |
| 17:48.43 | Tobsn | i try it remotly with the backup service. i hope it works. |
| 17:49.03 | wols_ | can't wait for the support answer? |
| 17:49.22 | Tobsn | sure i can |
| 17:49.54 | Tobsn | the funny part is |
| 17:49.55 | Tobsn | http://www.3l33t.de/ |
| 17:50.02 | Tobsn | the apache and mysql still working |
| 17:50.06 | Evan__ | ry1 i tried the magnet thingy now it is doing nothing anymore:S |
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| 17:51.02 | wols_ | cause they're not loaded right now |
| 17:51.10 | wols_ | something very bad happened to your libc6 on disk |
| 17:51.17 | Tobsn | i think too |
| 17:51.18 | wols_ | now everytime a program is start baaad things happen |
| 17:51.24 | Tobsn | yeah |
| 17:51.28 | jbalcomb | Tobsn: is that first paragraph really german? seems like how a native english speaker would imitate a german speaking person. ;) |
| 17:51.41 | Tobsn | and its getting worse... half an hour ago it just cames up every third time etc. |
| 17:51.42 | wols_ | e.g. you can delete libc6 while the box is running. evreything that keeps running is fine. everything started new however... |
| 17:51.59 | bluefox83 | what should i use to burn an iso to disk via a terminal? |
| 17:52.06 | Tobsn | jbalcomb, what first paragraph? |
| 17:52.07 | wols_ | cdrdao |
| 17:52.14 | Tobsn | oh okay |
| 17:52.15 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 17:52.16 | jbalcomb | Tobsn: ACHTUNG! |
| 17:52.19 | Tobsn | i know what you mean hehe |
| 17:52.24 | wols_ | jbalcomb: it's what we call "english for runaways" |
| 17:52.31 | jbalcomb | wols_: ;) |
| 17:52.35 | Tobsn | yeah thats just fun phrase... |
| 17:53.22 | jbalcomb | wols_: ah, it was a book yes? |
| 17:53.32 | wols_ | yes that too |
| 17:54.08 | jbalcomb | Tobsn: well, i ask because the CIA fact book lists german as 83% similar to american english and the easiest language for us to learn |
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| 17:54.21 | ry1 | I was just looking over my kernel config which seemed to have been mostly done for me by debian I assume, with regard to sound, if I want alsa, I should unmodularize os? |
| 17:54.30 | wols_ | jbalcomb: has the CIA ever told the truth? |
| 17:54.40 | wols_ | learn spanish. that's definitely easier for you |
| 17:54.42 | Tobsn | yeah german is really easy |
| 17:54.45 | jbalcomb | Tobsn: i well to amsterdam last year and dutch was so similar i ordered my own breakfast on day three! ;) |
| 17:54.54 | Evan__ | ry1 i tried the magnet thingy now it is doing nothing anymore:S |
| 17:54.55 | wols_ | dutch is a mix of english and german |
| 17:54.56 | Evan__ | lol |
| 17:55.03 | Evan__ | ja inderdaad |
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| 17:55.09 | ry1 | evan: oh my god, that was a joke |
| 17:55.09 | ry1 | :) |
| 17:55.14 | jbalcomb | bah, spanish is for pooping my pants in baja or guatamala. |
| 17:55.14 | Evan__ | whahah:P |
| 17:55.18 | ry1 | I can't believe you did that |
| 17:55.21 | xsdg | jbalcomb: eh? |
| 17:55.22 | Evan__ | i didnt:P |
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| 17:55.26 | ry1 | good |
| 17:55.27 | ry1 | :) |
| 17:55.31 | Tobsn | the only big thing is to lern what is female and male... like "the sun" is female in germany "die sonne", the dog is male "der hund"... etc. |
| 17:55.32 | wols_ | if youi do that in germany you will be arrested |
| 17:55.48 | wols_ | Tobsn: you never really learned german, did you? |
| 17:56.00 | jbalcomb | wols_; german, japanese, mandarin, cantonese, and french are more useful |
| 17:56.01 | Tobsn | ? |
| 17:56.06 | Tobsn | my motherlanguage is german |
| 17:56.18 | Tobsn | wols, is mein englisch so gut oder mein deutsch so schlecht? ;) |
| 17:56.27 | wols_ | the second |
| 17:56.31 | Tobsn | danke hehe. |
| 17:56.37 | xsdg | jbalcomb: in what sense? |
| 17:56.38 | jbalcomb | Tobsn: da |
| 17:56.41 | wols_ | german has quite a bit more than just genders |
| 17:56.49 | xsdg | yay for case marking! |
| 17:56.52 | xsdg | :o) |
| 17:56.57 | wols_ | e.g declension, conjugation |
| 17:56.58 | Tobsn | wols, i set up the site in a few hours... its not about text, its about the funny answering machine records ;) |
| 17:57.03 | jbalcomb | russin maybe too |
| 17:57.14 | xsdg | jbalcomb: more useful in what sense? |
| 17:57.18 | wols_ | two huge areas english know nothing about except a little genitive 's |
| 17:57.23 | xsdg | jbalcomb: (and what country are you in?) |
| 17:57.29 | jbalcomb | xsdg: travel experiences, jobs, and technical support |
| 17:57.37 | wols_ | Tobsn: I didn't see your site. all I see is what you told jbalcomb |
| 17:57.44 | xsdg | wols_: english has cases, just no (well, as you note, very little) marking |
| 17:57.56 | Tobsn | okay... |
| 17:57.58 | wols_ | jbalcomb: mandarin ok, maybe french. but the rest is mostly irrelevant |
| 17:58.21 | wols_ | asg: yes, bun in practice they don't really matter. in german they matter a lot |
| 17:58.26 | wols_ | same with conjugation |
| 17:58.43 | jbalcomb | wols_: japan is the second largest world economy, tokyo is the largest city in the world, japanese geeks contribute loads to linux.... how so is japanese irrelevant? |
| 17:58.50 | wols_ | we basically took all our grammar from latin (not as complicated as them, but not much different) |
| 17:59.05 | wols_ | jbalcomb: to few people speak it |
| 17:59.15 | wols_ | either as first or second language |
| 17:59.21 | bluefox83 | ok...cdrdao doesn't want to burn an iso to cd...any other ideas? |
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| 17:59.30 | jbalcomb | wols_; 140,000,000 aint too bad really |
| 17:59.48 | jbalcomb | wols_: also, to buy into your point, that makes it all the more valuable |
| 17:59.49 | wols_ | jbalcomb: in a world of 6 billion: irrelevant |
| 18:00.11 | wols_ | then speak yanomami (sp?).even less speak it :) |
| 18:00.16 | jbalcomb | wols_: in a world of 6 billion, there are over 6,700 spoken language |
| 18:00.16 | xsdg | wols_: were you meaning to address that to me? |
| 18:00.17 | wols_ | heck, speak raetoromanian |
| 18:00.23 | xsdg | wols_: ("yes, but they don't matter...") |
| 18:00.32 | wols_ | xsdg: no. to jbalcomb |
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| 18:01.10 | xsdg | wols_: so not to asg :o) |
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| 18:01.12 | wols_ | jbalcomb: language is there to be understood. english, cantonese ("chinese"), french and spanish do exactly that |
| 18:01.18 | jbalcomb | to each their own |
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| 18:01.39 | xsdg | (17.58.21) < wols_> asg: yes, bun in practice they don't really matter. in german they matter a lot |
| 18:01.52 | xsdg | wols_: was that to me, is what I was asking |
| 18:01.56 | wols_ | xsdg: that was for you,yes :) |
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| 18:02.24 | xsdg | wols_: so, to respond, no; cases in English _do_ matter, because sentences where nouns don't have case we consider unacceptable |
| 18:02.25 | CHodapp | I'm on AMD64, using open source Radeon DRI... glxinfo shows that it should be using direct rendering, but when I start Darkplaces or Nexuiz (both 64-bit binaries) they are both using indirect Mesa rendering, and I don't know why |
| 18:02.31 | CHodapp | Anyone have ideas? |
| 18:02.55 | xsdg | wols_: for example, "Want I to go the store." |
| 18:03.20 | stocksy | hello everyone, i want to rename eth0 to eth1 and vice versa on my box. I've tried /etc/iftab and /etc/mactab but nothing works, how do I do it? |
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| 18:03.27 | stocksy | on sarge btw |
| 18:03.35 | MidgetKiller | if I want to install debian as a server, I just need CD 1 right? |
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| 18:03.58 | ry1 | midget: yes, but the netinst is probably a better choice I would think |
| 18:04.05 | stocksy | MidgetKiller: or the netinst iso |
| 18:04.05 | xsdg | CHodapp: not sure, but tried #debian-amd64? |
| 18:04.10 | stocksy | ^ yer what he said |
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| 18:04.24 | MidgetKiller | where do I get the netinst iso from? i don't see it on their site |
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| 18:04.46 | ry1 | someone else can handle that, I am not too good with urls :) |
| 18:05.01 | MidgetKiller | download minimal boot cd? |
| 18:05.05 | stocksy | MidgetKiller: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 18:05.12 | MidgetKiller | thanks |
| 18:05.27 | MidgetKiller | has anyone setup VHCS on debian? |
| 18:05.44 | ry1 | midget: isn't that the open source alternative to plesc? |
| 18:06.10 | ry1 | if so, yes |
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| 18:06.47 | MidgetKiller | yeah it is ry1, its a control panel like plesk, ensim, or cpanel, but its free and open source |
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| 18:07.10 | ry1 | midget: I couldn't remember the exact name of it, but yes, I have some experienc with both plesc and vhcs |
| 18:07.18 | ry1 | not alot mind you :) |
| 18:08.19 | MidgetKiller | ok, i have a fedora core 5 server with ISPConfig (like VHCS) installed right now, but i'm upgrading the server to a whole new one and want to install VHCS because it looks more functional than ISPConfig. |
| 18:08.21 | andrew_p | should base-config utility be there in Etch as well as in Sarge? |
| 18:08.32 | MidgetKiller | ry1: can you remember if it was easy to install |
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| 18:08.41 | ry1 | midget: have fun with that, because it is easy to install |
| 18:08.43 | wols_ | andrew_p: check pdo |
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| 18:08.44 | ry1 | :) |
| 18:08.49 | MidgetKiller | thanks |
| 18:09.02 | ry1 | andrew: yes, I believe so, considering I upgraded to etch about an hour ago |
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| 18:09.08 | ry1 | it did replace base-config |
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| 18:09.40 | abrotman | andrew_p: it's not there aynmore |
| 18:09.43 | Zelpha | Hello, I'm not on debian. but the issue should be the same since its linux.. I trying to setup chroot jail for ssh.. I got it working for vsftpd just fine |
| 18:09.49 | andrew_p | ry1: i also run Etch and it's OK but i was configuring a Xen DomU Etch image and I need base-config to finish bootstrapping it and there is none |
| 18:09.59 | andrew_p | what replaced base-config in Etch? |
| 18:10.04 | stocksy | I want to rename an ethernet interface. If I don't succeed in doing so soon, I may burst. |
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| 18:10.10 | ry1 | midget: vhcs isn't available through apt though, you'll have to install it from source |
| 18:10.14 | abrotman | ifname |
| 18:10.25 | abrotman | andrew_p: nothing |
| 18:10.32 | andrew_p | abrotman: :D |
| 18:10.45 | andrew_p | and how should i configure timezones and so on then? |
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| 18:11.03 | ry1 | if you're doing an upgrade, wouldn't it just keep that info? |
| 18:11.04 | abrotman | tzconfig |
| 18:11.28 | andrew_p | aha, nice |
| 18:11.47 | stocksy | abrotman: if that's the same as ifrename, i've tried it and I couldn't get it to work |
| 18:11.59 | Zelpha | I guess no one cares cuz they think the noobs in fedora's chat room will help. well their morons that dont help |
| 18:12.02 | abrotman | stocksy: eh .. ok |
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| 18:12.09 | jon_ | why will it take 45 hours for mdadm to resync my array? am i doing something wrong? it's just a raid-1 array with two scsi disks 160gb, nothing fancy |
| 18:12.14 | CHodapp | What's a typical cause for really sloppy drawing in a WM, and windows seeming to lose their contents when you move others on top? |
| 18:12.24 | abrotman | stocksy: it is the same .. and the way to do it |
| 18:12.40 | ry1 | zelpha: what exactly is your problem? |
| 18:12.46 | stocksy | abrotman: it complains that eth0 "can't be mapped reliably." |
| 18:12.55 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
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| 18:13.58 | Zelpha | ry1, simple I got chroot jail locking users for vftpd working but need the same for sshd but I dont see any options of this in conf files.. someone told me change /bin/bash to false.. when I do this users then cant ftp |
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| 18:14.34 | ry1 | zelpha: search the debian-user list archives, the answer should be in there, I saw it a while back |
| 18:14.44 | ry1 | be back in a bit guys |
| 18:14.50 | Zelpha | ry1, how can u access this |
| 18:14.59 | Zelpha | ry1, esp. if I'm on fedora lol |
| 18:15.01 | ry1 | google or lists.debian.org |
| 18:15.03 | abrotman | lists.debian.org |
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| 18:16.43 | stocksy | ok, so I can rename eth1 to eth2, but eth0 is stubborn: "Error: cannot change name of eth0 to eth3: Device or resource busy" |
| 18:17.03 | Zelpha | chroot ssh no matches |
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| 18:18.28 | Evan__ | ri1 ill make a dos booteble floppy then erase the whole shit:P |
| 18:18.43 | ktwilight | dpkg: failed to open `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for writing status information: Input/output error <- i'm gettin' that error when i remove a half-installed package. is there anything that i can do? |
| 18:18.48 | dpkg | that's too long, ktwilight |
| 18:18.54 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 18:19.19 | ktwilight | and when i do a apt-get check * i get a bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Input/output error |
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| 18:19.24 | ktwilight | is there any explanation of this issue? |
| 18:19.29 | abrotman | use the backup |
| 18:19.35 | ktwilight | how would i do that? |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | in the dir .. there's a backup |
| 18:20.00 | ktwilight | i can't even use ls :/ |
| 18:20.12 | ktwilight | i have this Input/output error |
| 18:20.15 | ktwilight | fs problem? |
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| 18:20.29 | abrotman | in the dir .. there's a backup? |
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| 18:20.35 | MidgetKiller | i'm downloading the netinst, but its downloading at 40KB/s. i think its coming from sweden. anyone know if there is a faster mirror somewhere? |
| 18:20.36 | abrotman | reiser ? |
| 18:20.39 | ktwilight | xfs |
| 18:21.00 | ktwilight | i should fsck it? |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | ew |
| 18:21.10 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 18:21.30 | abrotman | tryu |
| 18:21.34 | ktwilight | ... |
| 18:21.47 | abrotman | try it |
| 18:21.58 | ktwilight | whtaever command i give, it spits Input/output error |
| 18:22.20 | ktwilight | now i need to know how to fsck :/ |
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| 18:22.33 | abrotman | livecd |
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| 18:22.57 | ktwilight | helps alot abrotman :P |
| 18:23.05 | abrotman | what? |
| 18:23.08 | abrotman | boot a livecd .. fsck |
| 18:23.43 | ktwilight | too noob for that one sentence help. but i shall try :) |
| 18:23.55 | abrotman | uh ... grab an ubuntu |
| 18:23.56 | abrotman | bah! |
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| 18:26.02 | g333k | with 1.3G of hdd and 32M of RAM, what size is right for swap? (just to console mode) |
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| 18:26.18 | lilliput | hello guys |
| 18:26.30 | abrotman | g333k: 100MB should suffice |
| 18:26.49 | abrotman | and might even be overdoing it |
| 18:26.53 | lilliput | got a mirroring pb apparently just checking if that my mirror or just something 'general' |
| 18:26.57 | pipeline | g333k: You'll need several hundred megabytes of swap. |
| 18:27.02 | pipeline | g333k: 32M isn't enough to do anything in. |
| 18:27.07 | abrotman | it's for a firewall |
| 18:27.09 | pipeline | abrotman: understatement of the century. |
| 18:27.11 | lilliput | Failed to fetch ftp://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/debian/pool/main/m/module-assistant/module-assistant_0.10.5_all.deb Unable to fetch file, server said '/pub/debian/pool/main/m/module-assistant/module-assistant_0.10.5_all.deb: No such file or directory ' [IP: 194.117.143.69 21] |
| 18:27.24 | lilliput | but I did an apt-get update before |
| 18:27.25 | pipeline | abrotman: err... 32M of RAM is a pretty shit-tastic firewall. |
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| 18:27.35 | abrotman | 100MB will be fine |
| 18:27.37 | lilliput | and didn't fail |
| 18:27.48 | g333k | pipeline, :o |
| 18:27.48 | g333k | pipeline, like....??? |
| 18:28.04 | pipeline | g333k: You probably want to bump that up to 64M for safety's sake. |
| 18:28.18 | pipeline | g333k: If you run out of RAM on a firewall, it crashes and burns. Very ugly. |
| 18:28.34 | abrotman | i think 100Mb will be fine |
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| 18:28.50 | lilliput | pipeline, just need a bit of swap would be ok .. wrt54g are running on less than 32MB |
| 18:28.59 | lilliput | if think it is 16 actually |
| 18:29.03 | pipeline | lilliput: wrt54g's don't have enough processing power to get into trouble with memory. |
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| 18:29.14 | pipeline | lilliput: Older WRTs have 32, newer 16. |
| 18:29.30 | lilliput | pipeline, processing power what this new term ? |
| 18:29.40 | grell | how can i stop Debian from loading a certain module at boot time? I have two sound cards installed and it is loading the module for the wrong one. |
| 18:29.47 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 18:29.48 | dpkg | well, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 18:32.34 | pipeline | lilliput: slooooooow CPU. |
| 18:32.48 | pipeline | lilliput: It'll start dropping packets *long* before you have to worry about filling the memory with connection states. |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | pessimist |
| 18:33.38 | lilliput | pipeline, and in which factor a slow cpu will change to a memory concumption ? like if you only a route table .. |
| 18:33.44 | aubergine | How can i make with +ip 123.123.123 +port 27095 ... a sh paramter like PARM="+ip 123.123.123 +port 27095 ..." ? |
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| 18:34.08 | pipeline | lilliput: You won't get a chance to fill the memory |
| 18:34.17 | pipeline | lilliput: Because it'll be dropping packets left and right. |
| 18:34.18 | abrotman | it'll be jsut fine :) |
| 18:34.27 | pipeline | lilliput: Instead of running out of space in memory to hold connection states, it'll just be failing to carry connections. |
| 18:34.37 | lilliput | pipeline, you do not know what you are speaking about |
| 18:34.45 | pipeline | ... |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | fight!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:35.05 | mutante_ | aubergine: PARM="foobar"; echo $PARM |
| 18:36.03 | lilliput | pipeline, wahou.. it's fabulous and what does it make you know how iptables/route are handle in memory ? |
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| 18:36.49 | lilliput | knowing that the most important part are in the kernel level ? |
| 18:36.57 | wols_ | pipeline: usually memory is exhausted before the CPU'S ability to route packages, especially on a WAN link |
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| 18:37.13 | wols_ | dmesg|grep buckets |
| 18:37.23 | wols_ | that's what doing the conntrack for NAT |
| 18:37.30 | pipeline | wols_: Yes, the argument started because I argued that the WRT54G is unusual in that it runs out of CPU power before running out of memory :) |
| 18:37.49 | pipeline | lilliput: Because I've seen quite a number of very hairy iptables problems. My company's firewall makes me want to vomit every time I touch it. :) |
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| 18:38.16 | wols_ | pipeline: this I don't believe unless it's doing a LOT more than just routing packets |
| 18:38.22 | wols_ | liek doing WPA encryption or something |
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| 18:38.45 | abrotman | pipeline: you couild like .. replace it :) |
| 18:38.47 | wols_ | I had a 486-160 64MB which ran out of mem, but routed the existing connections just fine |
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| 18:38.50 | wols_ | no lost packets |
| 18:39.03 | pipeline | abrotman: That's a very, very long project. |
| 18:39.09 | wols_ | wrt54g has nromally a 200MHz ARM and 16MB |
| 18:39.22 | abrotman | pipeline: get an intern :) |
| 18:39.28 | pipeline | wols_: Why don't you go buy a WRT54GL and tell me how well it performs with non-trivial rules, ok? |
| 18:39.48 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. When the fortunes of the company depend upon perfect performance from the firewall, it takes a *very* long time to migrate from iptables to something sane. |
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| 18:40.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:40.32 | NetEcho | how do I keep the pcspkr module from being loaded at bootup |
| 18:40.43 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 18:40.44 | dpkg | blacklist is, like, Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 18:41.03 | NetEcho | thx |
| 18:41.04 | lilliput | pipeline, iptables are fine in most of corporate env |
| 18:41.10 | pipeline | wols_: Hypothetically, a 200 MHz ARM is a pretty beefy processor. In reality, it sucks shit. |
| 18:41.21 | pipeline | lilliput: Yeah, well, I hate it and I can't wait to replace it with something reasonable. |
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| 18:41.47 | lilliput | oh well the cisco pix one are way worst |
| 18:41.53 | abrotman | am i the only one that wishes schilling could throw a changeup ? |
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| 18:42.36 | wols_ | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 18:42.42 | abrotman | baseball |
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| 18:43.05 | wols_ | I wish for schilling to close his mouth forever and get RSI so bad he can't type anymore |
| 18:43.05 | abrotman | it's a baseball thing :) |
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| 18:43.11 | wols_ | but I guess this is anothre schilling |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | no .. not that one |
| 18:43.44 | wols_ | but he deserves it! |
| 18:43.53 | abrotman | yes he does :) |
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| 18:45.39 | |ryan| | !2.6.16 |
| 18:45.39 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 18:45.56 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 18:45.57 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 18:46.06 | |ryan| | ah, thanks |
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| 18:48.06 | lilliput | pipeline, my fw in france got ADSL 2+ line (dl: 16MB up 1.2MB) and yep it is Mega Bytes with a 100 Mb network + a dmz and got 128 MB memory but rarely use more than 20MB of the full mem even when with fragmented packets the proc is an old pentuim 200 cpu |
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| 18:48.43 | wols_ | lilliput: it sorta proves his point what you just said |
| 18:48.53 | wols_ | all it says P200 > Arm200 |
| 18:48.56 | |ryan| | uh. |
| 18:49.10 | lilliput | nope not the same he was saying |
| 18:49.25 | |ryan| | you can't pull 16MB/sec over 100Mbps |
| 18:49.40 | lilliput | he said that 32MB wasn't enough |
| 18:49.40 | pipeline | lilliput: That's nice. I don't really give a shit. That's peanuts next to the suffering I engage in daily ;_; |
| 18:50.29 | |ryan| | 100Mbps tops out at 12MB/sec under ideal conditions (LAN) |
| 18:50.33 | lilliput | |ryan|, didn't say you could that what my ISP offer me I don't have a GB network as it is too expensive |
| 18:51.03 | |ryan| | o_O |
| 18:51.18 | pipeline | lilliput: It's also important to note that your firewall is probably just doing NAT, if you never touch more than 20M. |
| 18:52.02 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 18:52.03 | Tobsn | wols |
| 18:52.04 | Tobsn | :~# l |
| 18:52.06 | Tobsn | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 84: __libc_memalign: Assertion `page != ((void *) -1)' failed! |
| 18:52.22 | Tobsn | kommt die kiste nach nem reboot wieder? was meinst? |
| 18:52.31 | lilliput | pipeline, not only webserver ok with low activities but there is also a jabber service + dns as expected on this kind of box |
| 18:52.38 | |ryan| | lilliput: Bleh. Fucking AT&T won't provide more then 384kbps at my apartmnet. I have 8.8Mbps through the cable co... |
| 18:52.53 | g333k | let me know if I'm right... iptables is part of netfilter tools? or iptables and netfilter are the same |
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| 18:53.06 | pipeline | g333k: iptables is the frontend to the netfilter garbage in the kernel. |
| 18:53.08 | Titan | anyone has tested latest kernel 2.6.17.8 with Debian etch ? |
| 18:53.20 | lilliput | fiber in Paris for less than 60$ :p |
| 18:53.22 | |ryan| | then again, the telcos here have a massivly larger number of customers to deal with. |
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| 18:53.43 | |ryan| | there is fiber available in some urban areas here in the US. |
| 18:54.04 | |ryan| | one of my coworkers has 50Mbps at his house. |
| 18:54.34 | NetEcho | ok debian loads up my ipw3945 driver at start but to get wireless working I have to unload and re-load it once I log in |
| 18:54.35 | NetEcho | wf? |
| 18:54.38 | |ryan| | but in suburban areas, and rural areas, you're screwed. |
| 18:54.38 | NetEcho | *wtf? |
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| 18:54.52 | lilliput | was thinking to upgrade the server to host some remote server |
| 18:55.33 | lilliput | |ryan|, same here got 512 adsl but it's still better than the 56kbps modem |
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| 18:56.07 | |ryan| | yeah. I'm satisfied with my cable modem |
| 18:56.12 | |ryan| | for now. |
| 18:56.19 | lilliput | NetEcho, you may load the driver before the cardbus module ? |
| 18:56.52 | NiCeBoY | hi anyone can help plz? when am reloading apache am getting this error "Reloading web server config...apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName" can u please tell me why am getting this and how to solve it plz? |
| 18:57.00 | NetEcho | lilliput what do you mean? |
| 18:57.23 | lilliput | is it a pcmcia card ? |
| 18:57.49 | lilliput | pci/ in board card ? |
| 18:58.20 | NetEcho | its onboard |
| 18:58.31 | NetEcho | a laptop |
| 18:59.19 | lilliput | can you do a lsmod and copy it in pv |
| 18:59.33 | lilliput | not to flood the channel |
| 18:59.34 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: set a hostname |
| 18:59.50 | NiCeBoY | wols_ how i do it plz? |
| 18:59.56 | wols_ | man hostname |
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| 19:00.12 | wols_ | perhaps edit /etc/hosts |
| 19:00.22 | NetEcho | lilliput 1 sec |
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| 19:00.46 | NiCeBoY | ok wols_ it can also b done on ssh ? how cmd hostname newhostname ? |
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| 19:01.27 | NetEcho | lilliput: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3416 |
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| 19:03.45 | ry1 | guys: I was just recompiling a kernel2.6.17.7 under etch and got this error; drivers/media/dvb/ttpci/budget-av.c: IN function 'frontend_init': 1063: error: 'stcuct budget_av' has no member named ''renitialise_demod' what is causing this? more errors showed up and the compile stopped. |
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| 19:04.44 | jair | hello everybody... |
| 19:04.51 | NetEcho | lilliput if you think of a solution query me it, I have to run to work |
| 19:05.05 | jair | I am connectin using a mac machine and their unish bash console :) |
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| 19:05.58 | ry1 | anybody? |
| 19:06.00 | jair | it is anyone here? |
| 19:06.03 | lilliput | ok NetEcho |
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| 19:06.18 | jair | for first time I notice #debian so quiet |
| 19:06.22 | NiCeBoY | am getting another problem with PROFTP now the message am getting is "Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - getaddrinfo '.' error: Name or service not known - warning: unable to determine IP address of '.' - error: no valid servers configured Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd.conf'" |
| 19:06.33 | NiCeBoY | wols_ can u help plz? |
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| 19:07.13 | jair | did you make any changes to the default proftpd configuration? |
| 19:07.17 | MidgetKiller | during a debian netinst how long should the "Starting up the partitioner" take? |
| 19:07.22 | MidgetKiller | nm, it just moved |
| 19:07.25 | ry1 | depends on your hardware |
| 19:07.35 | jair | it hould not take too long. |
| 19:07.38 | MidgetKiller | was stuck at 38% for a while |
| 19:07.43 | jair | it is an old machine |
| 19:07.44 | jair | ? |
| 19:07.50 | MidgetKiller | no, brand new |
| 19:08.14 | NiCeBoY | jair no i did not change anything |
| 19:08.23 | jair | hmm |
| 19:08.38 | MidgetKiller | its a dual opteron system on a tyan board with an IDE and sATA hard drive |
| 19:08.38 | jair | do you have a router or firewall on your connection? |
| 19:09.03 | NiCeBoY | jair no |
| 19:09.30 | jair | NiCeBoY: check all this stuff: firewall, ports opens if you are using nat on your home router. |
| 19:09.46 | jair | is this an ftp server or you are trying to connect to one? |
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| 19:09.59 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: never used proftpd (I like vsftpd) |
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| 19:10.15 | wols_ | but it wants to resolve an address (its own most probably) and can't since it doesn't exist |
| 19:10.16 | jair | I normally don't use ftp servers anymore, I replace them with ssh and sftp. |
| 19:10.34 | NiCeBoY | wols_ vsftp when i do an adduser in ssh does it add an access to the ftp plz? |
| 19:10.38 | pipeline | jair: /bin/scponly ! |
| 19:10.57 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: yes |
| 19:11.00 | jair | pipeline: what do you mean? |
| 19:11.21 | NiCeBoY | ok wols_ gonna give a try man |
| 19:11.23 | wols_ | jair: he means ftp is evil and should be banned |
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| 19:12.00 | NiCeBoY | ;) |
| 19:12.17 | MidgetKiller | should starting the partitioner on the netinst take more than 5 minutes? |
| 19:12.27 | pipeline | jair: I mean that SFTP is awesome even for effectivery-anonymous FTP :) |
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| 19:12.30 | pipeline | MidgetKiller: no. |
| 19:12.49 | MidgetKiller | it is |
| 19:12.52 | jair | yes ftp is just a bad idea, and it is outthere to continue making things (slightly easier to web developers) they are too use to ftp servers. |
| 19:12.57 | MidgetKiller | its stuck at 55% |
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| 19:13.22 | MidgetKiller | could previous linux partitions cause that? |
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| 19:13.33 | pipeline | MidgetKiller: That's bad. Press alt+f4 and look at the log entries there. |
| 19:13.38 | jair | hey guys I bought the debian bibble book and I was checking the part "backup" |
| 19:13.45 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: what kernel did you boot with? |
| 19:13.48 | jair | I have couple of other questions about it. |
| 19:14.04 | wols_ | optys and kernel 2.6.8 is a baaad mix |
| 19:14.07 | MidgetKiller | i dunno what kernel, whatever is default with the boot |
| 19:14.10 | jair | anyone else here have good understanding of what to back up in debian system? |
| 19:14.19 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: what boot was it? default sarge installer? |
| 19:14.20 | pipeline | jair: When in doubt, back it all up. |
| 19:14.32 | MidgetKiller | last entry in the log "DEBUG: virtual package harddrive-detection |
| 19:14.35 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: from what I remember, you will get disk problems, sooner or later |
| 19:14.46 | MidgetKiller | its not sarge, its just 3.1 |
| 19:14.52 | wols_ | sarge IS 3.1 |
| 19:15.05 | jair | pipeline: yes but still you have to skip couple of things, like /tmp for example. |
| 19:15.10 | MidgetKiller | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 19:15.11 | wols_ | and default means either kernel 2.4 or 2.6.8 |
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| 19:15.19 | MidgetKiller | thats what I downloaded |
| 19:15.22 | jair | I love sarge Stable :) |
| 19:15.29 | wols_ | and that is sarge and uses 2.6.8 tops |
| 19:15.30 | MidgetKiller | burnt it on a cd, and then booted from it |
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| 19:15.46 | jair | I will suggest the netinstall or business card |
| 19:15.51 | jair | !netinst |
| 19:15.52 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 19:16.06 | wols_ | jair: it sucks for really up to date mobos for several reasons |
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| 19:16.16 | jair | wols_: really? |
| 19:16.17 | MidgetKiller | i'm using the netinst |
| 19:16.25 | jair | wols_: sarge or the netinsta? |
| 19:16.35 | wols_ | the default sarge kernel |
| 19:16.47 | ry1 | oh yes, it can't support nforce |
| 19:16.50 | ry1 | :) |
| 19:16.56 | wols_ | the debian installer is the best of a shitty bunch (when I look at e.g. ubuntu...) |
| 19:17.01 | jair | I did install will netinst and I am starting plan a nfs image server. |
| 19:17.12 | jair | to do the installations using network |
| 19:17.15 | ry1 | wols: did you see the kernel error I posed above? |
| 19:17.19 | ry1 | posted* |
| 19:17.20 | wols_ | nope |
| 19:17.23 | ry1 | oh |
| 19:17.25 | ry1 | darn |
| 19:17.30 | pipeline | jair: You don't have to skip /tmp :) |
| 19:17.36 | wols_ | when did you paste it? timestamp? |
| 19:17.45 | ry1 | wols: roughly five mins ago |
| 19:17.58 | jair | ry1: paste it again |
| 19:18.09 | MidgetKiller | if I tried the CD1 instead of the netinst would that work? |
| 19:18.11 | ry1 | I can't, I had to transcribe it from another screen as it is |
| 19:18.13 | wols_ | now I see it. no clue sorry |
| 19:18.20 | ry1 | wols: okay, thanks |
| 19:18.21 | wols_ | do you really really need that driver? |
| 19:18.27 | jair | MidgetKiller: not sure honestly |
| 19:18.28 | ry1 | I don't even know what it was |
| 19:18.28 | wols_ | if yes, use another gcc |
| 19:18.38 | ry1 | ah |
| 19:18.40 | wols_ | dvb is digital TV |
| 19:18.41 | ry1 | that could be it |
| 19:18.50 | ry1 | oh, then I don't need that driver |
| 19:18.51 | pipeline | DVB is a european standard for digital TV. |
| 19:18.53 | wols_ | so it's some digital TV board (sat or cable, could be both) |
| 19:18.54 | pipeline | We don't use that stateside. |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | 100MB is enough! |
| 19:19.02 | wols_ | dunno even if the US uses DVB, thought it was a mainly european thing |
| 19:19.03 | ry1 | it was supposed to be modular |
| 19:19.08 | pipeline | actually, some satellite companies might use DVB for DTV. |
| 19:19.16 | pipeline | but you won't be using a DVB card in your computer for satellite :P |
| 19:19.19 | jair | abrotman: hey :) master of the masters? |
| 19:19.25 | abrotman | i am? |
| 19:19.30 | jair | abrotman: how are you long time without see you ;)\ |
| 19:19.37 | wols_ | he didn't say masters of what.... |
| 19:19.44 | jair | haha right |
| 19:19.44 | abrotman | wols_: i would hope nothing |
| 19:19.46 | wols_ | could be master of masters of toilet cleaners or something :) |
| 19:19.53 | abrotman | jair: i've been here .. been busy at work |
| 19:20.01 | jair | I see |
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| 19:20.33 | wols_ | ry1: imho the point of custom kernels to throw out all the shit one doesn't need |
| 19:20.40 | wols_ | make a much nicer kernel all in all |
| 19:20.40 | jon_ | is there a convenient way to edit id3 tags? i have like 3000 i need to go though :) |
| 19:20.41 | jair | hey, I am trying to install debian on a pseries IBM machine. |
| 19:20.47 | pipeline | jon_: easytag |
| 19:20.50 | pipeline | jair: madness |
| 19:20.54 | pipeline | jair: install AIX and have done |
| 19:20.56 | jair | abrotman: haha yeah right |
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| 19:21.09 | wols_ | sell the thing and get a Dell. pocket the rest :) |
| 19:21.18 | pipeline | jon_: easytag has the added bonus of CDDB integration. You can hit a couple buttons and load most information automatically. |
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| 19:21.49 | jon_ | pipeline, wow :D |
| 19:21.53 | jair | pipeline: I think all I need is create a partition for AIX -Linux and then install with the ppc version of debian correct? |
| 19:21.56 | jon_ | pipeline, this is awesome! |
| 19:22.22 | abrotman | dell sucks! |
| 19:22.31 | NetEcho | lilliput actually I don't work for another hour lol |
| 19:22.38 | pipeline | Dell is awesome. |
| 19:22.42 | pipeline | Cheeeeeap. |
| 19:22.47 | wols_ | abrotman: tell me something that's novel. but it's cheap :) |
| 19:22.47 | NiCeBoY | wols_ when am using vsftp users are getting acces to root files its like this when i connect on the ftp /home/test/ and anyine can change it to go to root ... is there a way to restrict the user only to /home/test/ plz? |
| 19:22.53 | jair | abrotman: Have you ever try to configure a image server to make installations through the network? |
| 19:23.01 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: chroot it |
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| 19:23.06 | ry1 | jhair: nfs? |
| 19:23.07 | wols_ | !vsftpd |
| 19:23.08 | dpkg | [vsftpd] a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and others! |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | wols_: cheap doesn't imply good .. just like expensive doesn't imply good |
| 19:23.22 | wols_ | damn, no hwoto |
| 19:23.26 | jair | NiCeBoY: please check the /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 19:23.33 | abrotman | wols_: but everything i've seen indicates they sell crap |
| 19:23.36 | NiCeBoY | jair its vsftpd |
| 19:23.36 | wols_ | abrotman: but cheap means jair ends up with spare cash! |
| 19:23.37 | blondie | wols_: does vsftpd use ssl then? |
| 19:23.38 | abrotman | jair: nope |
| 19:23.45 | abrotman | wols_: he'll just spend it on hookers |
| 19:23.46 | jair | NiCeBoY: there is a line that tells you about path and default user |
| 19:23.48 | NiCeBoY | wols_ how do i chroot it plz |
| 19:23.50 | wols_ | blondie: nope. it's ftp, not ftps |
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| 19:24.01 | blondie | wols_: but that factoid said it was secure... |
| 19:24.15 | dhuv | I would like to install the ivtv-source 0.6x package in debian stable. whats the best way to get it from the testing repository? |
| 19:24.18 | wols_ | secure from 'sploits (mostly |
| 19:24.21 | jair | abrotman: ohh sorry I am sure that NiCeBoY was talking about proftpd earlier. |
| 19:24.23 | dhuv | I will compile it on my system |
| 19:24.35 | wols_ | blondie: and it also says it's a FTP server. nothing more |
| 19:24.57 | jair | abrotman: what do you do at your work then? |
| 19:24.58 | wols_ | !tell dhuv about simple sid backport |
| 19:25.03 | NiCeBoY | !chroot |
| 19:25.03 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 19:25.07 | wols_ | it's applicable for testing too |
| 19:25.09 | abrotman | jair: use the netinst |
| 19:25.10 | lilliput | the blueyonder mirror has not been updated since a while : ftp://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/debian/dists/unstable .. |
| 19:25.31 | wols_ | abrotman: 1$, 10$, a franklin? |
| 19:25.33 | MidgetKiller | guys, i've got two drives, a 40GB IDE and a 400GB sATA, how would I go about the partitioning of them in the setup? |
| 19:25.36 | abrotman | wols_: one i have to pay |
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| 19:25.50 | jair | abrotman: what do you mean you use the netinst? |
| 19:26.02 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: keep the 40G for a rainy day |
| 19:26.04 | abrotman | jair: to install ? |
| 19:26.07 | wols_ | at most, put the swap on it |
| 19:26.11 | MidgetKiller | k |
| 19:26.17 | pipeline | you could fit the entire system on the 40G |
| 19:26.19 | jair | abrotman: I am very happy because IBM is really start supporting other Linux distros. |
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| 19:26.20 | pipeline | and just use the 400 for /home |
| 19:26.28 | wols_ | that too. why do you need 400G? |
| 19:26.29 | pipeline | jair: IBM is trying to divorce themselves from Redhat. |
| 19:26.37 | jair | abrotman: I am asking you what do you do at your job? if you have a job? |
| 19:26.38 | jair | :) |
| 19:26.43 | pipeline | jair: "other distros" = SLES. |
| 19:26.44 | MidgetKiller | its a webserver wols that hosts files |
| 19:26.45 | abrotman | jair: IBM always have .. you just had to be willing to pay enough money |
| 19:26.49 | abrotman | jair: admin |
| 19:27.08 | wols_ | 400G webserver? what you hosting? a wikipedia mirror? |
| 19:27.09 | jair | abrotman: so IBM want to get rid of RHEL? |
| 19:27.17 | pipeline | MidgetKiller: Put / on the small drive, /home on the large drive. Then put the web content into various user directories in /home. |
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| 19:27.24 | jair | I have seen a lot of SuSEL lately. |
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| 19:27.27 | wols_ | jair: IBM wants to play RH and SLES against each other to be laughing third |
| 19:27.30 | abrotman | jair: i hope so .. they hsould have abandoned it long ago |
| 19:27.33 | pipeline | jair: Yes, IBM is competing with redhat in some areas, hence their emphasis on SLES. |
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| 19:28.16 | MidgetKiller | ok, so partition all 40GB for / or should I do 30GB for / and 10GB for swap? |
| 19:28.21 | jair | pipeline: why IBM have to compete with RHEL IBM strong thing is AIX Z and P series. |
| 19:28.24 | abrotman | for that matter .. they shouldn't put their weight behind any single distro |
| 19:28.36 | jair | IBM does not have a own Linux distribution. |
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| 19:28.44 | wols_ | jair: there is no money in OSes |
| 19:28.53 | NetEcho | anyone know why the ipw3945 module isn't loading properly on startup? |
| 19:29.03 | jair | I dream sometime with IBM adopting Debian, and keep it open source completely for everybody else. |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | they can't |
| 19:29.11 | wols_ | jair: IBM doesn't like JBoss for example. now guess who owns JBoss |
| 19:29.22 | pipeline | wols_: Err, IBM doesn't like Redhat BECAUSE they bought jboss. |
| 19:29.24 | NetEcho | it shows it in DMESG but I always have to rmmod and then modprobe it again to make it work |
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| 19:29.30 | jair | wols_: RHEL |
| 19:29.42 | wols_ | pipeline: that's what I said. they don't like JBoss cause the y compete with it |
| 19:29.46 | wols_ | and RH owns JBoss |
| 19:29.46 | jair | I mean RH |
| 19:29.52 | pipeline | jair: AIX and pseries are a drop in the IBM bucket of revenue. |
| 19:29.53 | jair | I know |
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| 19:30.01 | pipeline | jair: The vast majority of their income is support. After that, software. |
| 19:30.09 | jair | pipeline: what do you think will save IBM? |
| 19:30.10 | pipeline | jair: Redhat challenges them on both those fronts. |
| 19:30.21 | NiCeBoY | wols_ then i do an adduser on root and add a user and when the user do cd / he has access to root files too |
| 19:30.28 | wols_ | save IBM? they're outta danger quite some time |
| 19:30.30 | NiCeBoY | can u help me please how to restrict the access plz? |
| 19:30.31 | edrin | anyone knows how to use/activate the IPSec over UDP /NAT support in vpnc ? I just got a router and still need to connect to my vpnc... |
| 19:30.32 | stoned | hi |
| 19:30.42 | pipeline | jair: Redhat is Oracle's butt-puppet, competing with IBM DB2, and they own/sell JBoss, competing with IBM WAS. |
| 19:30.58 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: if your user has a ssh account then yes he always has access to / files |
| 19:30.59 | liable | NetEcho: good to see you got it working. the only way i could get the daemon to run on boot was with a udev rule |
| 19:31.02 | jair | what do you think will make IBM suceed? I think open source Linux like debian :) and if they start making z series mainframes running linux |
| 19:31.09 | pipeline | edrin: What the heck is VPNC? |
| 19:31.15 | pipeline | jair: IBM already supports Linux on the mainframe. |
| 19:31.20 | pipeline | jair: They have for quite some time. |
| 19:31.28 | MidgetKiller | someone tell me if this sounds ok. i have the 40GB partitioned into a 30 (/) and a 10 (swap), then I have my 400GB as one partition (/home) |
| 19:31.30 | NetEcho | liable how'd you do that? |
| 19:31.31 | liable | NetEcho: heres my udev rule |
| 19:31.34 | liable | KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:13:02:71:59:a8", NAME="wlan0", RUN+="/bin/sh sleep 1.0; /sbin/ipw3945d --quiet", OPTIONS="last_rule" |
| 19:31.45 | jair | nice because I will hopefully be working with one of those mainframes soon. |
| 19:31.46 | NiCeBoY | wols_ oh no man i still remember one day i conenct to a ssh where cd / was restricted man |
| 19:31.47 | NetEcho | and that will find eth2? |
| 19:31.47 | liable | NetEcho: change the mac address to yours |
| 19:31.49 | jair | and linux |
| 19:31.51 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.53 | stoned | wow |
| 19:31.55 | NetEcho | :o I don't know the mac |
| 19:32.03 | NetEcho | and where do I put this rule? |
| 19:32.09 | MidgetKiller | stoned... 10GB too big? |
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| 19:32.13 | liable | NetEcho: it also renames it to wlan0, i gotta go, work calls.. :( |
| 19:32.30 | NetEcho | where do I get the mac and put the udev rule? |
| 19:32.34 | stoned | MidgetKiller, I have a 98mb swap partition and rarely does it EVER go over 0mb occupied |
| 19:32.35 | liable | NetEcho: /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 19:32.45 | liable | NetEcho: ifconfig will give you the mac |
| 19:32.49 | stoned | MidgetKiller, and why, may I ask, are you killing midgets? |
| 19:32.55 | lilliput | did someone used xrdp ? (it is a rdp server using Xvnc ) |
| 19:32.58 | jair | pipeline: I want to start working on a image server project for RHEL Debian and SuSEL |
| 19:33.00 | NetEcho | what file in rules.d? |
| 19:33.07 | liable | NetEcho: call it 010_netinterfaces.rules |
| 19:33.13 | NetEcho | ok |
| 19:33.13 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: if you need more than 1.5x your phys RAM as swap, you don't have enough memory |
| 19:33.27 | wols_ | even 1.5x is a LOT and only for very low end machines |
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| 19:33.53 | jair | I found couple of information on the howtoforge and also falkotimme, sites pretty interesting |
| 19:34.24 | MidgetKiller | i have 4GB of ram in here |
| 19:34.37 | MidgetKiller | stoned, its just a nickname i use for gaming |
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| 19:34.57 | stoned | MidgetKiller, its not a very nice nickname |
| 19:35.09 | MidgetKiller | what if i'm a midget thats a killer |
| 19:35.16 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.21 | MidgetKiller | no... i'm not |
| 19:35.23 | wols_ | how do you know |
| 19:35.28 | stoned | I'm psychic |
| 19:35.29 | wols_ | he could be the proverbial dog |
| 19:35.32 | jair | pipeline: I am trying to find a replacement to "onenote" microsoft product? anyone here knows about one? |
| 19:35.35 | NetEcho | alright do I have to do anything to run that rule on bootup? |
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| 19:36.18 | ryty | does anyone know how to fix the newer kernel issue with the nforce3 chipset and fglrx? |
| 19:36.39 | jair | so far the best software out there opensource to make images of debian backups or other linux is "partimage" ? |
| 19:36.47 | NetEcho | liable? |
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| 19:38.14 | ryty | nevermind, figured it out |
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| 19:38.37 | ryty | damn dependencies in gconfig |
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| 19:39.23 | jair | anyone here knows about an opensource application that can replace MS onenote? |
| 19:39.43 | ryty | what does onenote do exactly? |
| 19:40.43 | ryty | jair: ^^ |
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| 19:43.06 | RvGaTe | Im having problems downloading packages from my debian box at work... the problem lies in the windows2003 proxy that sits between the debian and internet... I can't download anything using the internet from that box, only port 22 is forwarded to it... Either i make the debian box authed to the proxy (wich i dont know how, i already tried, but maybe i did it wrong), OR there is a way to send packages files to the box over SSH (22)... |
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| 19:43.23 | NetEcho | wols_ are you arround? |
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| 19:44.00 | RvGaTe | The setup is simple: Me -> internet <- win2003 proxy@work <- debian |
| 19:44.26 | Timsen | hi if i want to start "screen" as a normal user my shell hungs up, but as root it works somebdy an idea why? |
| 19:44.38 | jair | all right people got to quiet here. thanks guys I will have to check google. |
| 19:44.55 | ryty | jair: are you ignoring me? |
| 19:44.59 | wols_ | NetEcho: barely, why? |
| 19:45.05 | jair | ryty: nope? |
| 19:45.15 | ryty | I asked what onenote does exactly |
| 19:45.19 | ryty | you didn't answer |
| 19:45.22 | NetEcho | wols_ you know that udev rule liable had me add? |
| 19:45.26 | jair | ryty: ohhh sorry |
| 19:45.44 | ryty | if you had answered...I might have been able to point a solution |
| 19:45.45 | wols_ | NetEcho: don't know anything about udev. but my guess is udev gets started fairly soon on bootup |
| 19:45.50 | NetEcho | ok |
| 19:45.55 | jair | ryty: what it does is create note pages and save the information by default without have to do save or safe as |
| 19:45.56 | NetEcho | hopefully it works then |
| 19:45.59 | wols_ | so when you put the rule where liable said, it will be executed automatically |
| 19:46.15 | ryty | jair: oh...a text editor with an autosave function |
| 19:46.17 | NetEcho | except |
| 19:46.23 | NetEcho | it didn't load it on bootup |
| 19:46.26 | stoned | jair, like a sticky notes thingy for the desktop with autosave? |
| 19:46.42 | NetEcho | wait the module is loaded but not working |
| 19:46.50 | MidgetKiller | i'm getting an error message on the install, "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). Check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for the details. |
| 19:47.09 | ryty | MidgetKiller: ctrl+alt+F3 |
| 19:47.17 | ryty | or...ALT+F3 |
| 19:47.42 | MidgetKiller | i'm getting "Invalid argument" errors |
| 19:47.53 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:47.53 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 19:47.55 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: use it |
| 19:47.58 | MidgetKiller | "unmout: /target/dev/pts |
| 19:48.03 | MidgetKiller | k |
| 19:48.18 | jair | stoned: yes correct any Linux application like that ? |
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| 19:48.28 | jair | ryty: http://www.microsoft.com/office/onenote/prodinfo/demo.mspx |
| 19:48.34 | jair | there is a demo |
| 19:48.42 | jair | a flash description |
| 19:48.48 | stoned | jair, knotes? maybe not sure. try asking #kde |
| 19:48.56 | ryty | jair: affiche |
| 19:48.57 | jair | stoned: so I would like to work in something like that |
| 19:49.12 | ryty | apt-cache search is rather handy... |
| 19:49.14 | jair | ryty: let me check that |
| 19:49.24 | stoned | jair, I know there are apps for that, but I don't know names or what keywords to search for |
| 19:49.25 | jair | ryty: I will check |
| 19:49.33 | MidgetKiller | wols_ when I type that in at the boot prompt I get "Could not find kernel image: !sarge" |
| 19:49.38 | jair | stoned: maybe is sourgeforge |
| 19:49.39 | NetEcho | alright since noone knows about my wifi problem right now on-to my ntfs problem |
| 19:49.51 | NetEcho | /dev/sda1 /windows ntfs user 0 0 |
| 19:49.55 | NetEcho | doesn't seem to work |
| 19:49.55 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: read the factoid please |
| 19:49.55 | stoned | !info knotes |
| 19:49.57 | ryty | NetEcho: there's your problem, NTFS |
| 19:50.01 | dpkg | knotes: (KDE sticky notes), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 242 kB, Installed size: 656 kB |
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| 19:50.14 | NetEcho | ryty? |
| 19:50.17 | stoned | jair, give that one a shot |
| 19:50.18 | wols_ | !does not work |
| 19:50.18 | ryty | !info affiche |
| 19:50.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:50.20 | dpkg | affiche: (An application to "stick" little notes on the desktop), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 19:50.42 | McCabe | anyone know of a _console_ diff tool that lets you compare two files and chose to transfer changes between the files (ie like 'kompare', but for console) ? |
| 19:50.43 | jair | thanks guys |
| 19:51.03 | ry1 | sorry about that spam if it did indeed apear on the chan |
| 19:51.08 | stoned | diff |
| 19:51.12 | ry1 | net: what about wifi? |
| 19:51.33 | McCabe | stoned: can it display the changes one by one and let you transfer them interactively? |
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| 19:51.49 | hyksos | hi, someone knows a little graphical tool for replacing a sign with other? |
| 19:51.55 | stoned | yes, and I don't know |
| 19:52.01 | stoned | McCabe, ^^ |
| 19:52.05 | MidgetKiller | wols_: I have dual opterons that are 64-bit compatable, should I use the AMD64 version of sarge? |
| 19:52.17 | ryty | MidgetKiller: yes. |
| 19:52.19 | jair | stoned: thank you very much |
| 19:52.23 | stoned | jair, welcome |
| 19:52.24 | McCabe | stoned: ok, it is the interactive part im after... |
| 19:52.27 | jair | ryty: thank you very much thank you :) |
| 19:52.33 | wols_ | !amd64 |
| 19:52.34 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 19:52.40 | wols_ | read the last sentence |
| 19:52.43 | multi_io | concerning these "config file xy modified by you and the package maintainer" situations, wouldn't it be good to have an option to apply patch(1) to the file and install that (with the possibility to show the differences beforehand)? |
| 19:53.34 | ryty | MidgetKiller: I agree with the bot, though. Many things will not run in 64 mode, I would use 32 mode unless you want a speed boost, etc |
| 19:53.52 | wols_ | main reason is high memory support |
| 19:53.53 | stoned | McCabe, take a peek at apt-cache search diff |
| 19:54.02 | ryty | MidgetKiller: but, be warned, no flash, many difficulties, in 64 mode |
| 19:54.10 | wols_ | ryty: he wants a server |
| 19:54.11 | MidgetKiller | its for a webserver, has 4GB of ram right now |
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| 19:54.20 | ryty | MidgetKiller: 64 mode. |
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| 19:54.28 | MidgetKiller | k |
| 19:54.33 | ryty | with preempt, it will be noticeably faster |
| 19:54.42 | McCabe | stoned: yeah, good idea.. i didnt find much googling.. |
| 19:54.45 | MidgetKiller | preempt? |
| 19:54.51 | stoned | !search |
| 19:54.52 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 19:54.54 | ryty | preemtive kernel scheduling |
| 19:54.56 | jair | hey guys and also if I want to change the terminal colors on my terminal to make it look background dark and letters green light green |
| 19:54.59 | jair | ? |
| 19:55.00 | MidgetKiller | sorry, i'm a noob |
| 19:55.03 | MidgetKiller | ok |
| 19:55.04 | ryty | stoned: thanks, didn't know the keyword |
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| 19:55.15 | abrotman | jair: read the man page for the term you use |
| 19:55.24 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 19:55.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 19:55.27 | stoned | ^^ |
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| 19:55.38 | war95 | jon_: 45hrs? wow |
| 19:55.40 | dhuv | does anybody know how I can install the ivtv-source (testing) on my sarge box? |
| 19:55.53 | jair | abrotman: I think I normally use the knonsole from the kde, but what about the one from linux native shell Bash |
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| 19:56.01 | ryty | dhuv: apt-get source |
| 19:56.04 | abrotman | jair: you mean tty1 ? |
| 19:56.05 | docsys | salut a tous |
| 19:56.11 | stoned | hi |
| 19:56.16 | docsys | il y a t il des francais |
| 19:56.18 | stoned | !fr |
| 19:56.19 | dpkg | [fr] Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | !fr |
| 19:56.24 | jair | abrotman: yes when I issued ctrl+alt+1 |
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| 19:56.34 | stoned | !beat abrotman |
| 19:56.36 | abrotman | jair: eh .. dunno .. never tried |
| 19:56.37 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: will any single process use more than ~3.5GB of ram? |
| 19:56.41 | wols_ | only then you need amd64 |
| 19:56.48 | MidgetKiller | i doubt it |
| 19:56.56 | jair | ok |
| 19:57.03 | MidgetKiller | unless some rediculous mysql script occurs |
| 19:57.04 | dhuv | ryty: I have to do apt-get install ivtv-source |
| 19:57.08 | wols_ | MidgetKiller: so save the headaches and go i386 |
| 19:57.12 | MidgetKiller | k |
| 19:57.12 | dhuv | even though its source |
| 19:57.16 | jair | abrotman: I know can add the color listing on the home directory profile right. |
| 19:57.26 | stoned | jair, umm |
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| 19:57.33 | dhuv | apt-get source ivtv-source cannot be installed |
| 19:57.35 | g333k | hi, how can I change the language of the keyboard in consolo mode? |
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| 19:57.47 | abrotman | jair: is that a question ? |
| 19:57.50 | ryty | dhuv: you said you wanted the source, add the source that it's coming from in sources.list with a deb-src in front, apt-get update, and apt-get source <pkgname> |
| 19:57.52 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 19:57.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 19:58.21 | ryty | dhuv: also, it would be ivtv, not ivtv-source |
| 19:58.25 | Marupa | hi, quick question: can alsa handle multiple things playing at the same time/ |
| 19:58.39 | wols_ | Marupa: only if your card has a hardware mixer |
| 19:58.40 | wols_ | !dmix |
| 19:58.41 | dpkg | i heard dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 19:58.44 | dhuv | ryty: let me try after an apt-get update |
| 19:58.44 | ry1 | marupa: testing |
| 19:59.00 | g333k | Marupa, yes you can, depending on you soundcard |
| 19:59.13 | ry1 | yep, mine can |
| 19:59.23 | Marupa | it's a SiS AC'97 |
| 19:59.29 | wols_ | then it cannot. use dmix |
| 19:59.36 | stoned | jair, first, source .bashrc to .bash_profile, then add variables for color numbers like, BLACK=30, RED=31 etc. ESC="\033" set this for ESC. and then simply specify like ${BG_BLACK}m etc. |
| 19:59.41 | ry1 | I didn't think I'd be lucky enough to get a hardware multichannel soundcard |
| 19:59.51 | Marupa | I do have another card, though. |
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| 20:00.08 | ry1 | marupa: well then, alsa should be able to play two things at the same time |
| 20:00.09 | Marupa | CMI8738 |
| 20:00.28 | ry1 | marupa: as long as both are compiled into the kenrel, then you'll have no probs |
| 20:00.30 | g333k | Marupa, I have an audigy 2 ZS, and I can play as many sounds as I want at the same time |
| 20:00.42 | Marupa | well, I don't have the second card even installed at all. |
| 20:00.48 | ry1 | p33k: can you get 5.1 out of that? |
| 20:00.51 | Marupa | but you say dmix will solve it no matter what? |
| 20:00.56 | wols_ | yes |
| 20:01.01 | jair | stoned: nice |
| 20:01.05 | jair | stoned: thanks |
| 20:01.09 | wols_ | maybe read what dpkg tells you for a change? |
| 20:01.17 | jair | abrotman: yes that was a question |
| 20:01.17 | g333k | ry1, are you talking to me? |
| 20:01.24 | stoned | !paster me |
| 20:01.25 | dpkg | stoned: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 20:01.32 | ry1 | g33k: I believe so, you had the audigy? |
| 20:01.42 | abrotman | jair: for ls yes |
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| 20:01.47 | ry1 | I might have heard p33k by mistake |
| 20:01.48 | g333k | my nick is g333k, with three 3 |
| 20:01.57 | ry1 | ah, sorry about that |
| 20:02.10 | ry1 | g33k: so, do you get 5.1 out of your audigy with emu10k1? |
| 20:02.17 | g333k | ry1, yep I have a 7.1 creative sound system |
| 20:02.29 | ry1 | g33k: and it works in true 7.1? |
| 20:02.35 | ry1 | or just 7 chans |
| 20:02.36 | g333k | ry1, yep |
| 20:02.40 | ry1 | awsome |
| 20:02.53 | ry1 | I have one in a windows box I am thinking of converting to *nux |
| 20:03.08 | jair | abrotman: I know and other variables too, like ask before copy and remove :) |
| 20:03.15 | jair | abrotman: but thanks anyway :) |
| 20:03.19 | g333k | ry1, with kernel 2.4 it was a problem, I just usr it stereo, but nowadays is awasome |
| 20:03.26 | jair | stoned: thank you master |
| 20:03.39 | ry1 | g33k: awsome, |
| 20:03.42 | g333k | ry1, the first problem migrating is the hw support |
| 20:03.58 | ry1 | g33k: yeah, and asus mobos are the worsed for that |
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| 20:04.22 | ry1 | g33k: I'm stuck with two of them I want to migrate, but one doesn't even have a com port so I can't hook up a synth to it :) |
| 20:04.25 | jair | ok guys I am leaving |
| 20:04.28 | jair | bye... |
| 20:04.30 | knowwho | why they say its danger to compile your own kernel? |
| 20:04.33 | ry1 | laters j |
| 20:04.33 | hyksos | hi, someone knows a little graphical tool for replacing a sign with other? |
| 20:04.37 | jair | :) |
| 20:04.40 | stoned | jair, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3417 |
| 20:04.45 | stoned | take a peek before you go |
| 20:04.50 | jair | stoned: what is that? |
| 20:04.53 | stoned | look |
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| 20:05.01 | jair | ok |
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| 20:05.23 | ry1 | know: because a newbie has potential to mess it up and the system won't boot. Actually, even an experienced person can as well |
| 20:05.47 | ry1 | know: but if you want to compile, go right ahead, I have found it to be a good learning experience |
| 20:05.53 | jair | stoned: you are great! :) |
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| 20:06.00 | jair | stoned: thak you - thank you |
| 20:06.05 | stoned | heh |
| 20:06.06 | stoned | btw |
| 20:06.09 | jair | take care all you guys :) |
| 20:06.10 | stoned | this is what my prompt looks like |
| 20:06.11 | ry1 | jhair: give him a dub and he'll be happy |
| 20:06.13 | ry1 | :) |
| 20:06.13 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kde.jpg |
| 20:06.15 | g333k | ry1, I made almost all my hw work in Linux, There is no support for my webcam, a creative Live Pro! |
| 20:06.21 | jair | I will check |
| 20:06.27 | jair | haha |
| 20:06.27 | ry1 | g33k: ouch, that sucks |
| 20:07.30 | g333k | ry1, Yeah is like having a monster in front of you waiting to be released |
| 20:07.35 | g333k | lol |
| 20:07.49 | ry1 | g33k: they'll come up with support for it eventually |
| 20:07.57 | jon_ | war95, something was obviously wrong |
| 20:08.03 | Marupa | ok, on step three on the dmix thing....where's the .asoundrc located? |
| 20:08.18 | ry1 | g33k: now adays, I try to buy hardware that I know is linux compatible even if I might not plan to use it on linux right then |
| 20:08.38 | g333k | ry1, The best known driver is the spca5xx, but they give support only til the Creative Live! not the Live Pro! |
| 20:08.55 | ry1 | g33k: make friends with a coder and he might tweek it for you :) |
| 20:09.18 | abrotman | Marupa: /etc/ probably |
| 20:09.21 | roberto | I purchased Medal of Honor Allied Assault War Chest, and I've not use *any* of the CDs in it until now, and I'm trying to "dd if=/dev/hda of=~/MOHAA.iso" them, and it fails with an I/O error. |
| 20:09.37 | roberto | Is it possible that EA put some sort of copy protection that thwarts dd's ability to make a disc image? |
| 20:09.49 | Marupa | there's no file there... |
| 20:10.00 | ry1 | g33k: I am just surprised that linux would work so well on an old panasonic laptop that has a hard time with windows with regard to drivers and so on :) |
| 20:10.05 | roberto | Again, these discs are BRAND NEW and have no scratches... other discs rip fine, but these fail within the first couple MiB. |
| 20:10.12 | jair | stoned: beautyful :) |
| 20:10.13 | g333k | ry1, is a good idea |
| 20:10.16 | jair | stoned: thakns |
| 20:10.18 | jair | thanks |
| 20:10.20 | stoned | jair, sure |
| 20:10.22 | jair | gracias :) |
| 20:10.25 | jair | bye bye |
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| 20:10.41 | g333k | Do you know if is a channel of the spca5xx webcam's driver? |
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| 20:11.28 | ry1 | g33k: not a clue, I have no use for webcams |
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| 20:11.45 | Nach | I'm having a bit of trouble. I have NForce 4 sound, and I can't get two apps to use /dev/dsp at once. I followed a lot of directions for ALSA stuff, but I'm not getting anywhere |
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| 20:12.06 | g333k | Nach, what kernel? |
| 20:12.17 | ry1 | nach: possibly that sound chip is only one channel and not multi channel? |
| 20:12.22 | Nach | g333k, 2.6.17-1-amd64-k8-smp |
| 20:12.27 | ryu | hi |
| 20:12.36 | Nach | ry1, if it is, then what? |
| 20:12.52 | ry1 | nach: then you're out of luck I believe, but you could look at dmix |
| 20:12.59 | p3rti | hi.. i have a little problem.. i upgrade my system.. i'm using debian SID but now firefox close without any infromation.. only segment violation.. where i can found more information about that?? |
| 20:13.00 | ry1 | !tell nach about dmix |
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| 20:13.13 | g333k | Nach, dmix ? |
| 20:13.29 | ry1 | !dmix |
| 20:13.29 | dpkg | it has been said that dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 20:13.37 | streuner | p3rti: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 20:13.51 | Nach | if dmix is just about /etc/asound.conf, I played with that, and it does not help |
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| 20:14.48 | keck0f | hi. |
| 20:15.09 | ry1 | nach: I think dmix is a seperate package you must install, but I could be wrong |
| 20:15.18 | Nach | ry1 it's noit |
| 20:15.18 | g333k | Nach, are you sure that your soundcard support that? |
| 20:15.19 | Nach | not* |
| 20:15.26 | Nach | g333k, I'm not sure of anything |
| 20:15.35 | Nach | only thing I'm sure about is that I'm disliking ALSA |
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| 20:15.46 | g333k | Nach, be sure... afterwards, search about dmix |
| 20:15.51 | ry1 | nach: I have never come across an on board sound chip that was multi channel |
| 20:16.09 | ry1 | they look multi channel in winblows, but that's because the extra chans are emulated |
| 20:16.13 | keck0f | how can i set the host's domainname? that "hostname -f" shows "mybox.mydomain.mytopleveldomain" instead of just "mybox". |
| 20:16.28 | Nach | g333k, what do you mean by "that" ? |
| 20:17.23 | g333k | Nach, Be sure if your soundcard supports playing many sounds at the same time |
| 20:17.35 | ry1 | g33k: how does he do that? |
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| 20:17.40 | ry1 | I'm curious too |
| 20:17.50 | Marupa | gaaah, this isn't making much sense. |
| 20:17.51 | Nach | g333k, I'm told NForce 4 does not have hardware mixing if that's what you mean |
| 20:17.59 | g333k | Nach, reading the manual |
| 20:18.09 | Hoxzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.14 | Nach | "the manual"? |
| 20:18.18 | wols_ | Hoxzer: ethereal |
| 20:18.20 | Nach | Or do you mean my motherboard manual? |
| 20:18.26 | ry1 | nach: I believe he means the mobo manual |
| 20:18.32 | ry1 | since the card is on board |
| 20:18.43 | Nach | well, I'll go pull it out and see if it says anything |
| 20:18.51 | g333k | Nach, ry1: could be the sound chips specs |
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| 20:19.05 | roberto | Is it possible to put copy protection on a game that would cause dd to fail ripping it after 1.7MiB? |
| 20:19.07 | wols_ | Nach: /dev/dsp is OSS and not alsa. there is afaik no way to have several channels with /dev/dsp at all |
| 20:19.18 | wols_ | alsa cann either when the soundcard has hardware mixing or with dmix |
| 20:19.18 | roberto | dd: reading `/dev/hda': Input/output error |
| 20:19.31 | ry1 | g33k: highly likely, I've never seen a multi chan on board sound chip |
| 20:19.41 | wols_ | roberto: of course it is. most copy protections rely on bad sectors on the CD |
| 20:19.44 | Marupa | I'm very confused. x.x Can someone help explain step 3 onward? |
| 20:19.59 | wols_ | step 3 of what? |
| 20:20.15 | roberto | wols_: I've been ripping many games with dd though, some of which I know there are copy protections on. |
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| 20:20.35 | roberto | wols_: How do I break it though? I've legally purchased this game and would like to make a backup ISO. |
| 20:20.37 | Marupa | the dmix thing. x.x |
| 20:20.45 | Marupa | I'm totally lost. |
| 20:21.15 | roberto | wols_: This is why Alcohol 120% under Windoze was actually a good thing to have sometimes. |
| 20:21.32 | wols_ | roberto: not with dd. dd can't clone any copy protected CD. those CDs are a windows problem domain. ask them (tip: clonecd, alcohol, daemon tools, etc) |
| 20:21.45 | wols_ | btw: copying is breaking the DMCA. aka ILLEGAL |
| 20:22.01 | roberto | wols_: I don't give a fuck, I bought the damn thing. |
| 20:22.18 | wols_ | roberto: the MPAA/RIAA doesn't give a fuck. they bought the law. and they won |
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| 20:22.33 | Nach | g333k, I just flipped through whole motherboard manual, only audio things I see are, specs, how to plug in front and rear panels, and windows driver install. specs says Realtek ALC850, Direct Sound AC97 audio, 7.1 Channel output |
| 20:22.57 | wols_ | I'm just mentioning it cause debian is very much against anything illegal so your questions might be inappropriate here |
| 20:23.10 | roberto | wols_: This has nothing to do with them (aside from their asshole lobbying for the DMCA), they don't care that I circumvent copy protection on a MOHAA game disc. |
| 20:23.25 | wols_ | Nach: what do you need to be convinced? you Do Not Have Multichannel Support |
| 20:23.42 | Nach | wols_, convinced of what? |
| 20:23.44 | ry1 | nach: you just don't have it |
| 20:23.54 | wols_ | that your crappy onboard sound is just that: crappy. no multichannel under alsa unless dmix |
| 20:24.00 | ry1 | I am surprised that the ess alegra came with it... there you go |
| 20:24.00 | Nach | all I want is to be able to run two instances of an app which uses /dev/dsp nothing less, nothing more |
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| 20:24.06 | |ryan| | erg |
| 20:24.16 | Marupa | could someone help me set up dmix? x.x I don't know what I'm doing. |
| 20:24.31 | wols_ | Nach: that you can't! cause OSS (which is /dev/dsp) has not notion of mutlicahnnel at all, even with alsa |
| 20:24.33 | roberto | wols_: It's not illegal everywhere. And try not to speak for everyone here, as some hold their beliefs higher than blatantly unconstitutional laws. |
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| 20:24.52 | Nach | wols_, then what is this whole OSS via ALSA everyone keeps telling me about? |
| 20:24.59 | Heartsbane | Is anyone else having issues with the current release of samba segfaulting? |
| 20:25.00 | wols_ | roberto: no they don't. debian does not distribute decss for good reasons. |
| 20:25.03 | edison | help does two routers can communicate with each other wirelessly ? |
| 20:25.07 | wols_ | roberto: read more debian-legal. you need it |
| 20:25.29 | ry1 | nach: os is the old way of doing sound in linux |
| 20:25.31 | wols_ | Nach: what should it be and what are people telling you? |
| 20:25.57 | wols_ | Nach: and your alsa is emulating it as a convenience |
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| 20:26.11 | Heartsbane | Is anyone else having issues with the current release of samba segfaulting? |
| 20:26.18 | ry1 | !tell nach about oss |
| 20:26.22 | pipeline | Nach: OSS is a cross-platform "standard" for UNIX sound. The reason we still see OSS around is that it's definitely the standard for *accessing* sound devices. It's just that the OSS *drivers* are no longer used. |
| 20:26.42 | wols_ | Heartsbane: bts. and don't reapeat questions endlessly. we saw it the first time |
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| 20:26.51 | Nach | wols_, people are telling me that if I install ALSA and have it emulate OSS and it all setup correctly I can have two apps run at once that use /dev/dsp |
| 20:27.09 | wols_ | Nach: then why are you still here and asking dumb questions about your soundcard? |
| 20:27.19 | wols_ | Nach: you could be running dmix for half an hour now |
| 20:27.22 | Wille88 | is there a way to delete the whole raid array? I'm using softraid. |
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| 20:27.30 | Heartsbane | wols_:k |
| 20:27.31 | Nach | wols_, here is what I set originally |
| 20:27.36 | jnoon | anyone know where library paths are set? |
| 20:27.37 | Nach | <Nach> I'm having a bit of trouble. I have NForce 4 sound, and I can't get two apps to use /dev/dsp at once. I followed a lot of directions for ALSA stuff, but I'm not getting anywhere |
| 20:27.47 | wols_ | jnoon: /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 20:27.51 | ry1 | wols: what is the latest stable version of gcc? |
| 20:28.08 | streuner | !info gcc sarge |
| 20:28.08 | wols_ | ry1: pdo if you mean debian stable |
| 20:28.12 | Nach | I really don't care what OSS or ALSA or dmix is, all I want is this to work, and I don't care how |
| 20:28.14 | wols_ | gcc release 4.1 or so by now |
| 20:28.15 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 20:28.28 | wols_ | Nach: then use windows. they like to prechew stuff for people |
| 20:28.33 | ry1 | wols: I got the same kernel compile error as before, so I need to downgrade or something |
| 20:28.34 | jnoon | wols_, all i have is a /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 20:28.41 | wols_ | Nach: if you are unwilling to learn, what makes you think we spoonfeed you? |
| 20:28.46 | streuner | oh, the bot must be wrong then :-) |
| 20:28.51 | Nach | wols_, learn what? |
| 20:28.53 | wols_ | jnoon: I don't believe you unless you delete something |
| 20:29.00 | wols_ | !tell Nach about dmix |
| 20:29.06 | wols_ | !tell nach about grounding |
| 20:29.10 | wols_ | suff like this |
| 20:29.14 | wols_ | *stuff |
| 20:29.24 | jnoon | lol, no joke... i havent even done anything, its a debootstrap though |
| 20:29.30 | Nach | why are you messaging me stuff from dpkg? I know what this is, and played with asound.conf, it's not working |
| 20:29.44 | wols_ | Nach: cause you are ignorant of it obviously |
| 20:29.50 | wols_ | dmix isn't about asound.conf duh |
| 20:29.54 | wols_ | it's a bit more than that |
| 20:29.59 | Nach | wols_, why don't you tell me what you think I'm ignorant of? |
| 20:30.18 | wols_ | anything debian related. the grounding thing should have been a pretty good hint |
| 20:30.29 | wols_ | you're also ignoraant cause you don't want to learn: |
| 20:30.37 | Nach | wols_, I don't know why you're assuming any of these things |
| 20:30.37 | wols_ | 22:28 < Nach> I really don't care what OSS or ALSA or dmix is, all I want is this to work, and I don't care how |
| 20:30.54 | g333k | lol |
| 20:30.59 | Hoxzer | wols_: are you sure I can specify program with that tethereal? |
| 20:31.09 | wols_ | cause of what you said in here. and your denseness when 5 people have to tell you the same thing repeatedly and you still not believing anything |
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| 20:31.44 | Nach | yes and you somehow assume that means I never did anything like fd = open("/dev/dsp", O_WRONLY);write(fd, buffer, sizeof(buffer)); either |
| 20:31.52 | wols_ | Hoxzer: you can specify ports for example. programs I'm not so sure. iptables has a mark support for it, but not noromally, you need a patch afaik |
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| 20:32.16 | Nach | wols_, what you people are telling me isn't helping, you'd rather assume I know nothing instead of determining what I do know or have tried |
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| 20:33.12 | wols_ | we only know what you tell us. if you tell us crap, our answer is crap, period |
| 20:33.35 | Nach | it's nice that you believe in garbage in garbage out |
| 20:33.35 | wols_ | and dmix is much more than asound.rc. so if you give us garbage input, we reciprocate in kind. thank you |
| 20:34.01 | Nach | that still doesn't tell me though why this isn't working |
| 20:34.10 | wols_ | and as I said: imho you can't have 2 programs use /dev/dsp at once. others might differ |
| 20:34.25 | EdgEy | how can i check whether i'm using xfree or xorg? i've changed my display driver to nvidia using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it still seems to be using nv |
| 20:34.30 | Nach | wols_, I know that isn't true as I've done it with my old sound card |
| 20:34.34 | wols_ | cause OSS cannot do it. it never had an inkling of multichannel so why would the emulation have? |
| 20:34.49 | Nach | and I'm told it can be done with dmix although I have no idea if it's true or not, as it's not working for me |
| 20:34.51 | wols_ | fine. then get your old soundcard again |
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| 20:35.03 | wols_ | if you need a cheap new one, SBLive has hardware channel support in linux |
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| 20:35.14 | Nach | my old one is an SBLive |
| 20:35.22 | Nach | if I can't get this to work I will be using that |
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| 20:35.29 | Nach | but till then I'd like if possible to get this to work |
| 20:35.47 | streuner | !nforce |
| 20:35.48 | dpkg | hmm... nforce is a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 20:35.51 | Hoxzer | wols_: :) seems like I had been using wrong program |
| 20:36.06 | ry1 | wols: is there a command to downgrade gcc? |
| 20:36.10 | EEap | does anybody can tell me a good book on networking for linux that cover some basic things |
| 20:36.27 | wols_ | ry1: no need. just install the other gcc. /usr/bin/gcc is simply a symlink |
| 20:36.35 | Nach | till now I've been told to get this working I need to plug dmix into asound.conf which I've done, I've then stopped everything using sound, and reloaded alsa |
| 20:36.49 | wols_ | EEap: linux network adminstrators guide. it's a free ebook. old but good for basics |
| 20:36.49 | Nach | ry1, apt-get install gcc-3.3 or whatever |
| 20:36.49 | cahoot | Nach: dmix is of no use for /dev/dsp |
| 20:36.49 | ry1 | eeap: look for the linux network administrators guide |
| 20:36.53 | Nach | and change symlink |
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| 20:37.12 | EEap | ry1 from oreilly? |
| 20:37.14 | Nach | cahoot, so if sound card doesn't support it in hardware, it is impossible? |
| 20:37.30 | ry1 | eap: no, when I last checked, it was a free book sized howto on line |
| 20:37.34 | wols_ | EEap: yes oreilly has a deadtree version of it. but there is a free ebook out for it as well. same book |
| 20:37.40 | cahoot | Nach: it is if you use alsas nativedevices |
| 20:38.02 | wols_ | Nach: are you sure you must use /dev/dsp only? which two programs do you need with sound? |
| 20:38.03 | Nach | cahoot, well I want to use it with existing apps |
| 20:38.28 | cahoot | Nach: then you'll have to use esd/artsd or such |
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| 20:38.54 | cahoot | Nach: for those apps that aren't alsa-aware |
| 20:39.31 | streuner | (to that guy who asking for a good book) TCP/IP O'Reilly |
| 20:39.44 | cahoot | Nach: at least for well behaved ones (not like skype) |
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| 20:40.59 | Nach | argh, what I miss? |
| 20:41.41 | wols_ | that you have to use esd/artsd for non alsa aware apps |
| 20:41.53 | Nach | um... |
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| 20:41.57 | polux_ | hi |
| 20:42.06 | wols_ | and if that doesn't work you're SOL |
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| 20:42.18 | Nach | SDL is also an option, but that sucks |
| 20:42.29 | polux_ | i'd like to know if there is a way to get a package and all its dependencies from a website such as packages.debian.org |
| 20:42.33 | pipeline | cahoot: not true |
| 20:42.46 | EdgEy | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg seems to be doing nothing at all... |
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| 20:42.50 | pipeline | Nach, cahoot : If you have ALSA doing mixing (hardware or software), apps using the OSS devices will still be mixed transparently. |
| 20:42.56 | polux_ | it would be convenient to install a package via an usb key on a pc which doesn't have any network connection |
| 20:42.58 | Nach | as I was saying though, ALSA would seem temping if it was portable, Linux is not the only Unix OSS out there |
| 20:43.01 | Nach | OS* |
| 20:43.04 | ry1 | wols: I uninstalled all the g++4.15 thingies and am left with gcc3.3 which is fine, but it won't let me remove gcc-4.1-base, is it okay to leave it there, it seems to be the legs under etch |
| 20:43.11 | pipeline | Nach: ALSA is the driver side. The side that developers use IS portable. |
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| 20:43.18 | Nach | pipeline, how can I set this up properly? |
| 20:43.19 | wols_ | ry1: no need to remove anythingf |
| 20:43.49 | wols_ | as long as you call gcc-3.3 when compiling, all is fine |
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| 20:44.14 | Nach | pipeline, the side I use opens /dev/dsp with open() and uses a bunch of ioctl()s, I'm told that is OSS I don't know of any other dev method which is portable |
| 20:44.29 | Nach | aside from SDL... |
| 20:44.33 | ry1 | wols: how do I do that? or, where is the simlink I am supposed to update? |
| 20:44.46 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.52 | wols_ | or export CC=.... |
| 20:45.04 | beardy | ry1: You can use the environment variable CC. |
| 20:45.09 | Nach | ry1, rm /usr/bin/gcc && ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 20:45.36 | cahoot | pipeline: you mean dmix can be used for sharing /dev/dsp? |
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| 20:45.45 | DocOC | that's kinda brute-force solution... |
| 20:45.55 | pipeline | cahoot: Yup. |
| 20:45.59 | beardy | ry1: Don't change the symlink, the package that owns it wants to remove it/update it later, so using CC is better. |
| 20:46.10 | pipeline | cahoot: if /dev/dsp is provided by ALSA, and ALSA has mixing set up correctly, everything will "just work" |
| 20:46.13 | Nach | pipeline, can you help me set this up then? or help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 20:46.24 | pipeline | Nach: Yes, your OSS software will work transparently on ALSA. It's just not the developer's problem. |
| 20:46.37 | Nach | that's good to know |
| 20:46.38 | cahoot | pipeline: please explain to Nach how to set that one up |
| 20:46.56 | pipeline | Nach: No, I have no idea what your problem is, and I'm not really very interested in helping you. Getting dmix to work is usually a simple copy and paste from the internet, then /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 20:47.06 | pipeline | Nach: Anything more complicated than that is well beyond my ken. |
| 20:47.10 | iNToIT | yo |
| 20:47.13 | D4N` | sup |
| 20:47.29 | DocOC | ry1: a good debian way to handle it is to use 'update-alternatives --config cc' |
| 20:48.02 | Nach | pipeline, it's not /etc/init.d/alsa restart it's /etc/init.d/alsa reload, and I tried that, it's not working |
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| 20:48.21 | ry1 | eardy: sorry, I have never done anything with compilers before, how would I call the cc variable, and I just removed gcc4.15 and all it's major dependencies accept base, it seemed there were two copies of gcc installed, I guess from my sarge to etch update |
| 20:49.03 | Nach | ry1, you mean set the enviroment variable? in BASH, export CC=gcc-3.3, in TCSH: setenv CC gcc-3.3 |
| 20:49.11 | cahoot | pipeline: a quote from Lee Revell on alsa-user: For apps that support ALSA the lack of hardware mixing should not be a |
| 20:49.12 | cahoot | big problem as ALSA enables dmix (software mixing) for these cards. |
| 20:49.12 | cahoot | However it can't work for apps that use the OSS API (/dev/dsp) - these |
| 20:49.12 | cahoot | will block the soundcard. |
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| 20:49.18 | iNToIT | dunno |
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| 20:50.12 | ry1 | nach: thanks |
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| 20:50.45 | beardy | ry1: What Nach said. Yeah, it's possible that is was left from sarge, but it's no problem to have more than one gcc installed, if you should want or need that in the future. |
| 20:51.24 | ry1 | beardy: in any case, it didn't work |
| 20:51.31 | beardy | ry1: The CC variable? |
| 20:51.39 | Nach | ry1, it only works for those things that use the env variable |
| 20:52.00 | beardy | ry1: What are you compiling? |
| 20:52.02 | ry1 | beardy: yes, maybe I put the wrong version number, and nach: I am trying to compile a kernel that had errors under gcc 4.15 |
| 20:52.14 | ry1 | beardy: the good old etch kernel this time :) |
| 20:52.22 | Nach | ry1, you might have to rerun the configure app for it |
| 20:52.35 | ry1 | nach: make menuconfig? done |
| 20:52.49 | Nach | personally though I just modify the symlinks, it's easier for me |
| 20:53.04 | Nach | I have like 8 different GCCs installed |
| 20:53.28 | beardy | Ofcourse that works, but things _can_ happen when upgrading, removing or otherwise changing the status of the package that owns it. |
| 20:53.43 | Nach | beardy, yes, that's why one should keep on top of it |
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| 20:53.58 | Nach | gcc --version, or ls -la /usr/bin/gcc should tell you what the current status is |
| 20:54.21 | Nach | and don't forget to modify /usr/bin/g++ if using C++ |
| 20:54.23 | beardy | Nach: ry1: if you just write down what you have done, it's no problem, you can just set it back if needed |
| 20:54.41 | Nach | beardy, hardly have to write it down :P |
| 20:54.44 | ry1 | gcc is apparently 4.1.12 |
| 20:55.01 | ry1 | and I believe I've gone and messed up my environment variable |
| 20:55.04 | ry1 | grr |
| 20:55.05 | Nach | ry1, whatever you do, avoid 3.4.x I found those exceptionally error prone |
| 20:55.15 | ry1 | I had 3.3.6 I believe |
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| 20:55.23 | Nach | 3.3.6 was quite stable |
| 20:56.32 | Nach | so pipeline, cahoot: you seem to argue on wether this is possible or not, and I'm not sure what I should be doing here :P |
| 20:56.56 | ry1 | nach: where does debian usually store the main gcc program? |
| 20:57.10 | Nach | ry1, it's /usr/bin/gcc-* |
| 20:57.14 | streuner | ry1: /usr/bin/ |
| 20:57.36 | Nach | currently unstable is linking to gcc-4.1 AFAIK |
| 20:57.47 | beardy | Nach: What are they arguin is possible or not? |
| 20:58.13 | abrotman | do you guys need help ? |
| 20:58.15 | Nach | beardy, if ALSA can allow a sound card without hardware mixing to have two apps run on /dev/dsp at the same time |
| 20:58.56 | Nach | and I need to know since I either have something screwed up which I need to fix, or I need to stop trying and perhaps install my old sound card |
| 20:59.21 | beardy | Nach: Not sure if the thing I'm thinking about is part of ALSA or not, I'll just have to remember it's name.. |
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| 21:00.00 | cahoot | Nach: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg16835.html |
| 21:00.46 | abrotman | i vote for no sounds at all |
| 21:00.51 | Nach | cahoot, what should I be noticing from this? |
| 21:00.52 | streuner | haha |
| 21:01.05 | Nach | streuner, yeah I loved my emu10k1 |
| 21:01.07 | cahoot | Nach: some desperate skype useres resorted to an app called dsphijack or such to make it possible |
| 21:01.30 | beardy | What am I thinking about? The thing that people with crap soundcards can use to play multiple things, something closer to ALSA, not arts or esd.. |
| 21:01.31 | ry1 | alrighty, I think I completely screwed up my gcc system entirely... :) |
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| 21:01.41 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:01.45 | k-google | beardy: ITYM ALSA. |
| 21:02.08 | Nach | ry1, what did you do? |
| 21:02.19 | streuner | Nach: anyway, its a difference to use an onboard-chip or emu10k1 ;-) |
| 21:02.24 | beardy | k-google: wtf ITYM? |
| 21:02.31 | k-google | !ITYM |
| 21:02.32 | dpkg | i guess itym is I Think You Mean |
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| 21:02.48 | ry1 | nach: well, I removed gcc-4.1, but now the simlink doesn't seem to exist, so I made a new simlink to gcc-3.3, but kpkg still won't use it |
| 21:03.05 | streuner | so if you have a slot free, just use a fine soundcard |
| 21:03.06 | beardy | k-google: It might be part of ALSA yes, but what is it called? |
| 21:03.08 | Nach | ry1, you deleted gcc-4.1 altogehter? |
| 21:03.19 | k-google | beardy: Not certain about that. And I thought it was just plain ALSA. |
| 21:03.21 | Nach | and what does "gcc --version" now say? |
| 21:03.41 | disconnex | hey there, trying to install with minimal cd and my netcard driver forcedeth fails to load and wants parameters? anyone have experience with this? nvidia nforce integrated nic |
| 21:03.51 | ry1 | nach: it says gcc-3.3.6, and I reinstalled 4.1, I just had to reset my bash environment variable |
| 21:03.57 | Nach | streuner, only reason why I didn't put in my old sound card is that my new computer has this front audio thing which I like, and I'm not sure if I can get that to work with my old sound card if I put it in |
| 21:04.05 | cahoot | Nach: the message from the poster which seems to be knowledgeable wrt alsa is that alsas sw mixing (dmix) is of no use for apps that use alsas OSS API |
| 21:04.17 | ry1 | nach: in other words, sorry, I was being an idiot :) |
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| 21:04.25 | ry1 | but thanks for the help |
| 21:04.36 | streuner | Nach: the mobo didn't mention that issue? |
| 21:04.58 | Nach | streuner, hmm? |
| 21:05.08 | beardy | !dmix |
| 21:05.09 | streuner | Nach: s/mobo/manual of the mobo/ |
| 21:05.09 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 21:05.09 | beardy | there |
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| 21:05.21 | beardy | Nach: ^^^ |
| 21:05.46 | digits | I get alot of these: dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 21:05.57 | digits | and then dpkg exits with an error code (2) |
| 21:05.57 | streuner | beardy: iam sure somebody mention it the last hour without reading the logs :-) |
| 21:06.07 | Nach | beardy, I've seen that ~300 times now, I don't know what people want me to gather from it. I setup asound.conf dozens of ways now and reloaded alsa each time and it is not working |
| 21:06.14 | k-google | beardy: Cool, thanks. |
| 21:06.23 | digits | what's brokened (i'm trying to salvage a system, and i am in no way used to debian) |
| 21:06.41 | ry1 | nach: so if I want to use 4.1 again, I just have to change thenvironment variable and change the simlink? |
| 21:06.41 | k-google | beardy: 'Nix sound continues to mostly confound me (though I tend to get something that Works Well Enough[tm] |
| 21:06.45 | Nach | streuner, well my mother board manual doesn't really cover the case or my old sound card |
| 21:06.59 | Nach | ry1, if you're changing the symlink forget the enviroment variable |
| 21:07.07 | Nach | just change the symlink to whichever compiler you like |
| 21:07.22 | ry1 | nach: okay, but for some reason the variable changing worked to start compiling my kernel... wierd |
| 21:07.25 | streuner | Nach: it should mention the issue, do you can put another soundcard in order to use the front rears |
| 21:07.48 | Nach | streuner, the front and rear is part of the case, not the motherboard |
| 21:07.55 | Nach | well the rear is part of the motherboard... |
| 21:08.09 | disconnex | Can anyone tell me how to find out what irq and io port my network card use? |
| 21:08.17 | streuner | they should connect to the mobo... |
| 21:08.20 | abrotman | sound sucks .. use electrode feedback |
| 21:08.25 | streuner | s/connect/connected/ |
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| 21:08.33 | Nach | disconnex, lspci is a good start |
| 21:08.47 | abrotman | cat /proc/interrupts? |
| 21:08.54 | disconnex | does lspci give that info? havent used it in a while |
| 21:08.58 | abrotman | hwinfo ? |
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| 21:09.02 | Nach | it says which PCI slot... |
| 21:09.03 | DamianFinol | Why is VLC not in Etch? |
| 21:09.10 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 21:09.10 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 21:09.24 | streuner | abrotman: damn, you are pretty fast |
| 21:09.39 | abrotman | streuner: i've been waiting on tthat for months! |
| 21:09.48 | DamianFinol | Ok, it's a license thing. |
| 21:09.53 | DamianFinol | Move it to non-free then? |
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| 21:10.13 | streuner | Nach: normally it (mobo) use the the input of another card (PCI) |
| 21:10.21 | abrotman | DamianFinol: might not even be clean enough to go in non-free |
| 21:10.35 | streuner | yes |
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| 21:10.49 | digits | Anybody have a clue why dpkg gives me this error : dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 21:11.10 | Nach | DamianFinol, if you want mplayer or vlc or things like that, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 21:12.04 | streuner | vlc isn't part of marillat's repos |
| 21:12.16 | streuner | !info vlc |
| 21:12.22 | glontu | can i get the latest kernel sources with aptitude ? |
| 21:12.24 | streuner | there is xine too |
| 21:12.24 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.5.debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6315 kB, Installed size: 15516 kB |
| 21:12.26 | Nach | streuner, I'm pretty sure it is... |
| 21:12.34 | streuner | heh |
| 21:13.02 | Nach | I have vlc installed, so it came from somewhere, and only repos I have is official and his... |
| 21:13.08 | streuner | vlc is in the official repos - no need for marillat to package that again :-) |
| 21:13.22 | Nach | oh |
| 21:13.29 | Nach | so it's in official repository |
| 21:13.33 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 21:13.39 | abrotman | not in marillat imean |
| 21:13.40 | streuner | not in etch |
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| 21:14.12 | streuner | atm |
| 21:14.30 | DamianFinol | Nach, It's not there. |
| 21:14.40 | stoned | I'm drunk |
| 21:14.56 | stoned | I am going to attempt to update |
| 21:15.01 | streuner | so go to bed |
| 21:15.14 | stoned | why is everyone always telling me to go to bed? |
| 21:15.15 | stoned | :( |
| 21:15.27 | streuner | because drinking and IRC sucks |
| 21:15.33 | Nach | DamianFinol, maybe it's only available in unstable then... |
| 21:15.43 | streuner | combined |
| 21:15.59 | stoned | I'm watching a movie on my TV, while I use my computer on the 2 other monitors. Friends are over and are watching a movie, I'm chatting in another monitor, cuz I already saw it |
| 21:16.02 | Nach | I'm using |
| 21:16.11 | Nach | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib and deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
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| 21:16.34 | Marupa | is there a shoutcast plugin for xmms? like the DSP for winamp, but...well, not? |
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| 21:16.50 | DamianFinol | So, if VLC is out of Debian, what movie player I can use? |
| 21:16.56 | DamianFinol | (out of Etch should've said) |
| 21:16.56 | streuner | Marupa: apt-cache search xmms plugin |
| 21:17.01 | Marupa | thanks |
| 21:17.11 | Nach | DamianFinol, I personally like mplayer |
| 21:17.15 | stoned | DamianFinol, I use kaffeine for everything, if something doens't work in kaffeine, I use mplayer/gmplayer |
| 21:17.23 | DamianFinol | kmplayer? |
| 21:17.33 | abrotman | DamianFinol: totem ? |
| 21:17.35 | Nach | kmplayer is an mplayer frontend |
| 21:17.35 | stoned | actually kplayer is a better than kmplayer |
| 21:17.37 | stoned | fuck totem |
| 21:17.42 | Nach | and yeah kplayer is better |
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| 21:17.48 | abrotman | stoned: you'd fuck anything |
| 21:17.56 | stoned | abrotman, not true |
| 21:17.59 | stoned | :( |
| 21:18.00 | abrotman | not what i've heard |
| 21:18.18 | stoned | don't believe what you hear |
| 21:18.52 | EdgEy | how can i restart gdm? there used to be a gdm-restart script but it seems like it's gone |
| 21:18.52 | DamianFinol | abrotman, How do I install a codec into totem? |
| 21:19.04 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 21:19.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about w32codecs that ad |
| 21:19.14 | abrotman | EdgEy: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:19.15 | stoned | EdgEy, /etc/init.d/gdm restart|stop|start |
| 21:19.20 | EdgEy | ah.. that was it |
| 21:19.21 | EdgEy | haha thanks |
| 21:19.32 | ry1 | why would apt not be working? since I upgraded to etch, it has been saying that it could not authenticate files, and now it won't update the debian-multimedia source I just added claiming that index files could not be downloaded |
| 21:19.48 | DamianFinol | ry1, It's all about keys :P |
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| 21:20.07 | streuner | ry1: visit debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:20.27 | ry1 | streuner: I did |
| 21:20.34 | Nach | how does one fix dpkg? avi is not a codec it's a container format |
| 21:20.36 | beardy | Nach: Have you seen this one? |
| 21:20.36 | streuner | did you add the key? |
| 21:20.36 | beardy | !rs |
| 21:20.37 | dpkg | A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy. |
| 21:20.51 | wireddd | man, mythtv is way to hard to get working |
| 21:20.55 | Nach | beardy, no I haven't |
| 21:20.56 | streuner | Nach: no need |
| 21:21.03 | streuner | Nach: it's true |
| 21:21.07 | ry1 | streuner: I didn't think I had to, I have never had to deal with keys in linux till now |
| 21:21.16 | ry1 | guess that's new in etch? |
| 21:21.19 | Nach | streuner, it's not true, AVI is not a codec, dpkg should be fixed |
| 21:21.26 | streuner | ry1: its new in apt |
| 21:21.39 | streuner | ry1: so its new for etch and sid |
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| 21:21.43 | Nach | and you certainly don't need w32codecs to parse an AVI |
| 21:21.49 | streuner | heh |
| 21:21.51 | streuner | !avi |
| 21:21.52 | dpkg | somebody said avi was an acronym for Audio Video Interleave, for avi playback, ask me about <mplayer>, <xine>, <w32codecs> |
| 21:21.56 | Nach | you need it for real, windows media, and stuff like that |
| 21:22.12 | streuner | hm, the factoid doesn't say that avi is a codec |
| 21:22.22 | Nach | AVI is not a codec |
| 21:22.30 | pipeline | AVI is a container format. |
| 21:22.35 | beardy | It doesn't say you need w32codecs either, just mentions it. |
| 21:22.46 | streuner | true |
| 21:22.48 | Nach | <dpkg> rumour has it, w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi |
| 21:23.09 | beardy | Yeah, that is not good.. |
| 21:23.18 | beardy | replace with "realmedia" or something |
| 21:24.12 | streuner | Nach: infobot.org and fix the factoid by yourself |
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| 21:24.39 | beardy | dpkg: w32codecs =~ s/avi/realmedia formats, windows media formats, and others/ |
| 21:24.40 | dpkg | beardy: that's too long |
| 21:25.02 | beardy | dpkg: w32codecs =~ s/avi/realmedia, windows media and more/ |
| 21:25.02 | dpkg | beardy: OK |
| 21:25.04 | pipeline | beardy: s/codecs/formats/ and leave the avi in place. |
| 21:25.22 | pipeline | dpkg: w32codecs =~ s/codecs/formats/ |
| 21:25.24 | dpkg | OK, pipeline |
| 21:25.28 | beardy | pipeline: I'm done, do what you like :) |
| 21:25.50 | ry1 | where does apt store it's keys? |
| 21:25.59 | abrotman | avi is a container? |
| 21:26.07 | wireddd | abrotman, yes it is |
| 21:26.07 | pipeline | abrotman: yes |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | ok .. so .. wouldn't that be wrong to leave it in there? |
| 21:26.22 | pipeline | abrotman: You can put literally any audio or video format into an AVI, so long as there isn't more than one video stream and one audio stream. |
| 21:26.23 | ry1 | I can't download keyring because I need to update, but I can't update without adding a key :) |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | ry1: what's the error ? |
| 21:27.12 | ry1 | abrotman: never mind, seems my net connection fluctuates for some odd reason |
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| 21:28.08 | pipeline | dpkg: w32codecs? |
| 21:28.09 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous formats for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as realmedia, windows media and more, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about ... |
| 21:28.12 | EdgEy | argh. |
| 21:28.14 | abrotman | oh good job |
| 21:28.16 | ry1 | abrotman: my error is "unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fixmis" |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | take off the ubuntu link |
| 21:28.22 | pipeline | abrotman: I tried :( |
| 21:28.26 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 21:28.31 | abrotman | !tell me about w32codecs |
| 21:28.53 | Nach | dpkg: w32codecs =~ s/, wmv, wma,// |
| 21:28.53 | dpkg | Nach: OK |
| 21:29.08 | EdgEy | which config file does xorg use? i try to change my display driver using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 21:29.18 | streuner | !factinfo w32codecs |
| 21:29.25 | dpkg | w32codecs -- last modified at Wed May 24 05:02:15 2006 by Vasistha!n=david3@pool-71-116-143-166.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net; it has been requested 49 times, last by abrotman, 19s ago. |
| 21:29.34 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | everyone happy? |
| 21:29.51 | abrotman | see .. we broke the bot! |
| 21:29.55 | pipeline | I fixed it, I think. |
| 21:29.58 | pipeline | dpkg: w32codecs? |
| 21:29.58 | dpkg | [w32codecs] a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia formats, such as realmedia and windows media. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. |
| 21:30.05 | abrotman | i got it way before you! |
| 21:30.06 | streuner | !pipeline++ |
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| 21:30.25 | Vasistha | hehheh ... I got highlighted from that :-) |
| 21:30.28 | abrotman | i fixed it! |
| 21:30.37 | streuner | haha |
| 21:30.47 | wireddd | !marillat |
| 21:30.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 21:31.18 | streuner | abrotman: life is sometimes not fair :-) |
| 21:31.47 | streuner | for sure :-) |
| 21:35.20 | Nach | perhaps it should be mentioned by w32codecs it only works for Debian i386? |
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| 21:35.45 | ry1 | okay, is anyone else having a problem with the public key for debian-multimedia.org? |
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| 21:35.53 | Nach | ry1, no |
| 21:35.59 | streuner | ry1: pretty painless for most people... |
| 21:36.00 | abrotman | Nach: no .. if you can't figure that out .. you don't need to attempt it |
| 21:36.06 | ry1 | it is seemingly unavailable, though I used apt-key add to add it |
| 21:36.23 | ry1 | does the ppg file need to be in a sertain place? |
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| 21:37.01 | Nach | abrotman, well it says "Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian." but you can't get support from it in Debian unless you're using Debian i386 (or Debian AMD64 with i386 installed) |
| 21:37.31 | abrotman | no shit .. there's a logical reason for that |
| 21:37.57 | EdgEy | dpkg, why is my xorg so broken? ;) |
| 21:37.58 | dpkg | EdgEy: what are you talking about? |
| 21:38.19 | ry1 | do I need to copy the the ppg key out of it's file and put it into trusted.ppg? |
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| 21:38.25 | abrotman | what gpg key ? |
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| 21:38.40 | ry1 | abrotman: the one for debian-multimedia.org that claims to be unavailable |
| 21:38.41 | seatouch | how do i setup a name server ? |
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| 21:38.51 | abrotman | !marillat key |
| 21:38.52 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 21:38.59 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 21:39.00 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 21:39.01 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:39.11 | seb- | what's a nice app to help you connect to wifi?....e.g. that will SCAN area and let you choose SSID to lock into? |
| 21:39.24 | abrotman | you mean steal bandwidth ? |
| 21:39.33 | ry1 | abrotman: are all those commands? |
| 21:39.38 | seatouch | well anyone know how to run a nameserver ? |
| 21:39.40 | seb- | abrotman: free open wifi is a reality |
| 21:39.48 | abrotman | stealing |
| 21:39.52 | abrotman | ry1: yes |
| 21:39.59 | seb- | abrotman: my library has free wifi..is that stealing? |
| 21:40.01 | abrotman | seatouch: ask #dns or #bind (if you're using bind) |
| 21:40.13 | abrotman | seb-: do you know how many tax payers paid for that! |
| 21:40.37 | diilbert | floyy: If you have something to say.. this is the perfect place to say it... don't /msg me anymore please ;0 |
| 21:40.38 | seb- | abrotman: do you know an app to help me connect? |
| 21:40.40 | pavlix | abrotman: here some companies and community networks have a slow free connectivity too |
| 21:40.50 | abrotman | seb-: wireless-tools or something |
| 21:40.58 | seb- | abrotman: ok, danku |
| 21:40.58 | floyy | diilbert, ok |
| 21:41.00 | abrotman | or you could ask the people in the library |
| 21:41.08 | pavlix | seb-: a commandline one? |
| 21:41.13 | seb- | abrotman: yea, those old ladies are debian gurus |
| 21:41.22 | seb- | pavlix: either or |
| 21:41.25 | abrotman | seb-: you only have to know the SSID don't you ? |
| 21:41.44 | pavlix | seb-: that's true.... SSID should be all you need |
| 21:41.50 | abrotman | seb-: if you're in gnome .. there's some wacky utility you can use |
| 21:41.51 | seb- | abrotman: i need to choose from what is available |
| 21:42.10 | seb- | abrotman: so yes.....report all SSIDs is good nuff |
| 21:42.19 | EdgEy | how can i change my display driver for xorg ? |
| 21:42.28 | seb- | abrotman: apt-cache search wacky | grep gnome doesn't deliver |
| 21:42.34 | abrotman | EdgEy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:42.43 | EdgEy | it doesn't seem to save the config |
| 21:42.43 | abrotman | seb-: are you in gnome ? |
| 21:42.47 | seb- | abrotman: no |
| 21:42.59 | seb- | abrotman: but i can run gnome apps in wmaker |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | seb-: it's an applet |
| 21:43.13 | pavlix | seb-: pavlix@tiger:~/work/smartwifi$ apt-cache search wifi |
| 21:43.17 | seb- | abrotman: how'd you get xserver-xorg in sarge? i was lookin for it and didn't see it |
| 21:43.29 | abrotman | seb-: backports.org .. and he didn't ask about sarge |
| 21:43.31 | seb- | pavlix: thanks |
| 21:43.34 | pavlix | seb-: gave me... among some modules... several programs that do that |
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| 21:44.02 | EdgEy | where is xorg's config file? i tried /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:44.14 | abrotman | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:44.14 | pavlix | EdgEy: that's it |
| 21:44.16 | seb- | abrotman: backports.org seems kinda hackish and ad hoc...i don't get warm fuzzies from it |
| 21:44.22 | EdgEy | ugh |
| 21:44.33 | abrotman | seb-: then don't whine |
| 21:44.36 | ry1 | abrotman: for what ever reasons, those commands didn't work, it just gave me the options and usage message for ppg |
| 21:44.39 | EdgEy | i can delete xorg.conf and it still seems to get its' config from somewhere |
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| 21:44.43 | pavlix | seb-: then use testing or ubuntu |
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| 21:45.08 | seatouch | well how do i remove webmin ? i seem to be unable to access it |
| 21:45.21 | ry1 | apt-get remove webmin |
| 21:45.27 | seb- | how make xdm run windowmaker? |
| 21:45.29 | seatouch | i installed it manually |
| 21:45.31 | seatouch | from the website |
| 21:45.40 | seatouch | i seem to be unable to access it |
| 21:46.06 | abrotman | so ask them how to remove it |
| 21:46.08 | EdgEy | if i delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesn't create a new one |
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| 21:47.42 | ry1 | abrotman: so, apt-get update won't correct the gpg error, and yet it refuses to add the key, it just says "usage, bla bla bla" |
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| 21:47.52 | ry1 | when I follow dpkg's command instructions |
| 21:48.16 | abrotman | ry1: need the actual error |
| 21:49.13 | ry1 | abrotman: "the following signatures could not be verified because the public key is unavailable no_pubkey07 |
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| 21:49.23 | ry1 | then it gives me a key |
| 21:49.27 | abrotman | i need the key :) |
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| 21:50.10 | ry1 | abrotman: DC563D1F41b907 |
| 21:50.28 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 21:50.29 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 21:50.39 | abrotman | eh .. that's not right |
| 21:50.48 | abrotman | oh .. it is |
| 21:50.58 | abrotman | that's an uppercase B .. not lowercase |
| 21:51.02 | ry1 | abrotman: nope, and the repository has changed from where dpkg thinks it is |
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| 21:51.13 | ry1 | I have the key in a file, but it won't let me add it |
| 21:51.19 | ry1 | streight from the website |
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| 21:51.34 | abrotman | cat file | apt-key add - |
| 21:51.38 | ry1 | I do apt-key add /home/bat/file.ppg |
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| 21:54.31 | ry1 | abrotman: would it work if I typed gpg and typed it in there? |
| 21:54.42 | abrotman | cat file | apt-key add - |
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| 21:55.45 | seb- | how make max volume of laptop LOUDER?! |
| 21:56.24 | ry1 | abrotman: same error |
| 21:56.29 | ry1 | even though I got an okay |
| 21:56.44 | abrotman | apt-key list .. see it ? |
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| 21:57.21 | ry1 | abrotman: only from /etc/apt/trusted.gpg, nothing else |
| 21:58.57 | abrotman | ry1: can you paste the error you're getting somewhere? |
| 22:00.10 | ry1 | abrotman: same error as I transcribed above |
| 22:00.18 | ry1 | pub key is not available |
| 22:00.32 | abrotman | i meant paste the error that you're trying to resolve |
| 22:00.37 | ry1 | that error |
| 22:00.54 | ry1 | doing your cat file |apt-key add gave me an ok, but no results |
| 22:01.13 | ry1 | it still says the pubkey is unverified and unavailable |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | what is "it" |
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| 22:01.58 | ry1 | abrotman: apt |
| 22:02.11 | abrotman | that's why i'm asking for the actual error |
| 22:02.11 | ry1 | abrotman: for some reason, apt refuses to accept that key |
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| 22:03.43 | lontra | is there a way to make a bittorrent file with bittornado? |
| 22:04.12 | ry1 | abrotman: okay, I do an apt-get update. it hits around on all my sources for a bit and then comes up with; "w: gpg error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch release: the following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: no_pubkey07" you may want to run apt-get update to resolve these problems |
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| 22:04.26 | abrotman | did you run apt-get update? |
| 22:04.31 | abrotman | after adding the key i mean |
| 22:04.36 | ry1 | abrotman: yes |
| 22:04.40 | ry1 | same thing |
| 22:04.50 | abrotman | can you paste the contents of apt-key list ? |
| 22:05.16 | ry1 | abrotman: I can't paste, but I can type out manually, unless there is a way to direct output to a text file |
| 22:05.33 | abrotman | ry1: uhm ... |
| 22:05.45 | ry1 | I'm on two seperate boxes that's why |
| 22:06.15 | ry1 | but all the keys in the sources.list file were issued for packages.debian.org and two had expired |
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| 22:06.55 | ry1 | there was nothing pertaining to debian-multimedia.org |
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| 22:07.36 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.40 | abrotman | or whatever command it is |
| 22:09.51 | ry1 | abrotman: I can't even ssh into my box anymore, grrr! |
| 22:10.14 | ry1 | this whole encription thing is really starting to piss me off |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | i didn't do that part :) |
| 22:10.37 | ry1 | just a few hours ago I could scp into the linux box to retreve files, now I cant |
| 22:10.43 | ry1 | oh jees... |
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| 22:12.05 | ry1 | abrotman: forget it, thanks for the help, but I can't even compile a kernel under etch no mater what compiler I use |
| 22:12.19 | ry1 | I'm going back to sarge |
| 22:12.27 | abrotman | uh |
| 22:12.36 | abrotman | what does that have to do with marillat ? |
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| 22:12.57 | ry1 | abrotman: I have just totally given up because I got another compiler error with gcc3.6 just now |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | uh .. you could try the etch netinst .. but it has no speakup to start with |
| 22:13.46 | ry1 | abrotman: that and the multimedia repository won't resolve for some reason, I can't retreive the txt file because scp has been locked out for some obscure reason, and I could but I wouldn't be able to install it |
| 22:13.57 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 22:14.01 | ry1 | heh |
| 22:14.11 | ry1 | I don't know why pgp is being so difficult |
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| 22:14.30 | ry1 | anyway, sorry for ranting, I'm just a bit frustrated, I'm off to eat now |
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| 22:14.36 | ry1 | nothing personal against you |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | it's ok |
| 22:14.49 | abrotman | noone likes me :) |
| 22:14.54 | ry1 | :) |
| 22:15.04 | wols_ | !love abrotman |
| 22:15.05 | wols_ | some do |
| 22:15.08 | abrotman | yay |
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| 22:15.13 | dhuv | hello all |
| 22:15.59 | dhuv | I am trying to compile my ivtv driver using "module-assistant auto-install ivtv" and it fails in the middle because it cannot find gcc-4.0 |
| 22:16.03 | dhuv | I have 4.1 installed |
| 22:16.18 | abrotman | guess it wasn't 4.0 :) |
| 22:16.23 | dhuv | :) |
| 22:16.27 | abrotman | erm .. wants |
| 22:16.32 | dhuv | why would it only look for 4.0 |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | dunno |
| 22:16.45 | dhuv | how can I ask it to use 4.1 |
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| 22:17.29 | abrotman | nicely .. take flowers |
| 22:17.35 | dhuv | hahaha |
| 22:17.43 | dhuv | chocolates too? |
| 22:17.55 | dhuv | must be written by a woman |
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| 22:18.20 | dhuv | seriously though, if I have 4.1 installed, why does it not use that? |
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| 22:19.46 | abrotman | dhuv: cat /proc/version |
| 22:20.10 | dhuv | Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-17) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060630 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-4)) #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 |
| 22:20.15 | abrotman | that might be why |
| 22:20.17 | dhuv | I see the 4.0, but now I have 4.1 |
| 22:20.25 | dhuv | how can I fix it? |
| 22:20.41 | abrotman | can you still install 4.0 ? |
| 22:20.52 | abrotman | i can on my box |
| 22:20.52 | dhuv | hmm, I guess I can just install gcc-4.0 |
| 22:22.54 | dhuv | so they can live together 4.0 and 4.1? |
| 22:23.07 | dhuv | it did not ask to remove the newer version |
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| 22:23.45 | abrotman | they should be able to |
| 22:23.59 | dhuv | yeah it seems to be compiling |
| 22:24.00 | dhuv | :) |
| 22:24.01 | dhuv | thanks |
| 22:24.34 | dabreegster | blist |
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| 22:26.47 | g333k | How can I know my public ip ? |
| 22:26.55 | abrotman | whatismyip.com |
| 22:27.04 | g333k | I remember there was a console command |
| 22:27.16 | g333k | abrotman, I know that, but from console |
| 22:27.21 | abrotman | traceroute ? |
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| 22:29.15 | jelly-home | g333k: lynx -dump whatismyip.com ;-) |
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| 22:30.34 | Marupa | hi, I know this is more suited to any linux...but is there a program out there that grabs data from /dev/dsp and pushes it to shoutcast? Or, an application that takes line-in and pushes it to shoutcast? |
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| 22:33.11 | abrotman | vsound ? |
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| 22:37.12 | g333k | abrotman, no no, it was like asking a server |
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| 22:37.29 | g333k | abrotman, jelly-home , let me remember |
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| 22:43.42 | grogoreo | hi |
| 22:44.16 | grogoreo | for some reason, when using the stock install of apache2 with Debian Stable, even though I have an index.htm and index.html files in /var/www I still get redirected to apache2-default. I've restart apache2 numberous times and also renamed the directory apache2-default in /var/www but it still comes back. Should I have to edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and change the redirection? |
| 22:44.45 | abrotman | there's a redirect in the conf file |
| 22:45.24 | dondelelcaro | grogoreo: just disable 000-default |
| 22:45.38 | dondelelcaro | a2dissite 000-default should do it |
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| 22:45.53 | ttl- | hi |
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| 22:47.28 | ttl- | is there a way to make to delay the kernel while talking to my external USB harddisk when i turn it on so it can complete it's power on things ? |
| 22:48.28 | grogoreo | would you mind telling me why debain has this redirect? Is this the norm for every user? |
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| 22:48.36 | ttl- | when i turn the disk on while it is plugged into USB it gives me a lot of errors, but when i turn it on first and wait 10sec before plugging t it all is ok |
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| 22:49.21 | dli | ttl-, try rootdelay=20 |
| 22:49.29 | dli | ttl-, as the kernel parameter |
| 22:49.32 | abrotman | grogoreo: it's the default for some reason |
| 22:49.36 | grogoreo | also, now I've disabled the 000-default site doesn't that mean no site will work? |
| 22:49.41 | grogoreo | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 22:50.19 | ttl- | dli: ok, thnx |
| 22:51.17 | dhuv | anybody have problems with a Western Digital drive getting to 51C |
| 22:51.36 | dhuv | I RMAed the first drive and the new one is doing the same thing |
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| 22:53.11 | jelly-home | dhuv: what is the ambient temperature? |
| 22:53.30 | abrotman | dhuv: isn't that within specs? |
| 22:54.29 | dhuv | jelly-home: it is about 75F which is fairly cool |
| 22:54.38 | dhuv | thats the room temp |
| 22:54.41 | g333k | How to do a scan of error to a filesystem? |
| 22:54.48 | g333k | errors* |
| 22:54.51 | dli | g333k, fsck |
| 22:55.08 | dhuv | abrotman: 51C is about 120F, thats HOT |
| 22:55.13 | dhuv | its hot to the touch |
| 22:55.25 | jelly-home | dhuv: that's 24C. if you had eg. 30C room temp (I think ~ 90F), the disk would easily go to 50C . |
| 22:55.29 | abrotman | that wasn't what i asked |
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| 22:58.08 | ttl- | dli: does rootdelay not only work for the root FS ? |
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| 22:58.38 | cj | anyone see chammer? |
| 22:58.52 | abrotman | who huh ? |
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| 22:58.53 | ttl- | dli: because the external USB drive isn't... |
| 22:59.15 | dli | ttl-, why do you ever need rootdelay , if it's not rootfs? |
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| 23:00.19 | ttl- | dli: it's an external USB hdd and i'm not booting the PC from it |
| 23:00.23 | killown | bin_LastFM: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4) why it occurs? |
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| 23:00.40 | cygnus_ | hi what is the command that allows me to graphically set my apt sources ? |
| 23:00.43 | ttl- | dli: I just want to delay the kernel talking to it when i turn it on |
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| 23:02.30 | cygnus_ | when i say graphically i mean like it shows you the menu on the shell |
| 23:02.31 | ttl- | dli: The kernel tries to talk to the device while it is doing it's power on tests |
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| 23:02.43 | cj | abrotman: $ apt-cache show mysql-server-4.1 |
| 23:02.46 | jelly-home | killown: is that a Debian binary or a 3rd party one you're running? |
| 23:02.48 | ttl- | dli: Resulting in a lot of errors |
| 23:03.03 | killown | jelly-home 3rd party |
| 23:03.03 | abrotman | cj: and so what? |
| 23:03.26 | cj | abrotman: you asked "who huh ?" were you not talking to me? |
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| 23:03.31 | jelly-home | killown: if it's not from Debian, it might be compiled with slightly different libraries and complain like that. |
| 23:03.34 | killown | whereis libpng12.so.0 |
| 23:03.35 | killown | libpng12.so: /usr/lib/libpng12.so /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 |
| 23:03.36 | g333k | I just installed my Debian Box just console mode, how can I know if it recognized the whole hw? |
| 23:03.43 | abrotman | cj: yeah .. but why do you want him? |
| 23:04.02 | cj | abrotman: need some info on when mysql-server-5.0 is scheduled for etch |
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| 23:04.12 | cj | and what I can do to help |
| 23:04.14 | jelly-home | killown: there's a lastfm player pacakge in etch and sid now. |
| 23:04.15 | abrotman | cj: it's already there |
| 23:04.20 | abrotman | !info mysql-server-5.0 etch |
| 23:04.25 | dli | g333k, usually, I check hardware compatiblity before I order the hardware :) |
| 23:04.27 | killown | jelly-home thanks a lot |
| 23:04.31 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.22-3 (etch), Packaged size: 21180 kB, Installed size: 47376 kB |
| 23:04.34 | abrotman | cj: see |
| 23:04.39 | cj | abrotman: amd64? |
| 23:04.55 | cj | re eno |
| 23:05.08 | abrotman | nfc ... |
| 23:05.19 | jelly-home | killown: also, if you're using kde, the amarok player can handle lastfm:// urls too. |
| 23:05.26 | cj | eno: do you know anybody running mysql 5.0 on etch? |
| 23:05.29 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 23:05.40 | cj | abrotman: cool, I'll check that out.. |
| 23:05.50 | cj | wonder why it doesn't show up in my apt-cache search |
| 23:05.58 | abrotman | try an apt-get update ? |
| 23:06.14 | cj | abrotman: just did one about 20 minutes ago |
| 23:06.24 | abrotman | then your sources or your mirror is messed up |
| 23:06.29 | cj | $ grep etch /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:06.30 | cj | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch contrib non-free |
| 23:06.38 | cj | ah, main :) |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | ever think you might need main ? |
| 23:07.01 | abrotman | that's right folks .. etch is the best place to get non-free software! |
| 23:07.08 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 23:07.14 | dvs | booyah! |
| 23:07.20 | jetscreamer | !pal cj |
| 23:07.22 | g333k | dli, I know that this hw has support, I mean where can I see the list of hardware I have? ie. I have 2 NICs, how can I see them? |
| 23:07.46 | dvs | g333k, lspci | grep -i eth |
| 23:08.15 | g333k | dvs, nice! |
| 23:08.45 | jetscreamer | !perl |
| 23:08.46 | dpkg | [perl] the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/, or #perl |
| 23:09.04 | abrotman | !perl =~ s#/,#/# |
| 23:09.04 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
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| 23:09.24 | dli | g333k, also there's a package for that, lshw |
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| 23:09.50 | RudyValencia | Hi. Does anyone know what font Debian uses for their logo text? |
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| 23:10.16 | abrotman | i'm not sure it is a font |
| 23:11.03 | RudyValencia | I'm not talking about the "swirl", but the word "debian" |
| 23:11.10 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 23:11.12 | abrotman | i know what you meant |
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| 23:13.18 | g333k | dli, let me try it |
| 23:14.35 | sanmarcos | im in love with my car |
| 23:14.50 | dvs | sanmarcos, then make love toit |
| 23:15.08 | sanmarcos | i do, its just the stick is kind of inconvenient in the middle.. |
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| 23:15.28 | sanmarcos | but the exhaust tube is fine |
| 23:15.40 | abrotman | it's just a car |
| 23:15.49 | dvs | like a Psion |
| 23:15.52 | dvs | ;-) |
| 23:15.55 | abrotman | Scion ? |
| 23:15.58 | sanmarcos | what did you call it? you pancake eater! |
| 23:16.01 | sanmarcos | i love that ad |
| 23:16.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | it's a car .. it goes from A to B |
| 23:16.33 | dvs | or xB |
| 23:16.39 | jetscreamer | it feels good to look good |
| 23:16.56 | abrotman | freaks |
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| 23:17.11 | jetscreamer | !superfreak |
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| 23:17.34 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: can't touch that |
| 23:17.44 | jetscreamer | !hammer |
| 23:17.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hammer is the thing if you have it, everything looks like a nail. |
| 23:18.28 | sanmarcos | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/volkany/ is this debian art horribly designed or what? I cant find the images in there! |
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| 23:19.07 | abrotman | that's not your car |
| 23:19.19 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: wtf? click on a menu entry, like "wallpares" |
| 23:19.38 | sanmarcos | jelly-home, I dont see no menu, maybe its my browser! oh no! |
| 23:19.52 | sanmarcos | oh stupid javascript |
| 23:19.59 | sanmarcos | yeah, I disable it thats why |
| 23:20.14 | minerale | I just created a user: cvs and made the /home/cvs directory the cvsroot, I'll be giving this to a handful of other developers for use ofver ssh, how can I secure it so it's only used for checking in/out |
| 23:20.15 | abrotman | oh no .. |
| 23:20.16 | abrotman | dpkg: don't go |
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| 23:20.39 | abrotman | minerale: as opposed to ? |
| 23:20.40 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: probably nothing worth mentioning there anyway, last update 2004. |
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| 23:22.19 | floundering | hi, I have a HP 4L printer attached to this debian sarge box using cups, I want to allow a windows me machine on the local net to print to it. is there a prefered strategy? |
| 23:22.42 | sanmarcos | !tell floundering about samba |
| 23:22.42 | minerale | abrotman: someone using it to login and use the server |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | don't give them a valid shell ? |
| 23:23.01 | sanmarcos | floundering, also you can use Cups' IPP |
| 23:23.09 | sanmarcos | which is supported in Windows, so no need for samba floundering |
| 23:23.27 | minerale | abrotman: can't one just ssh host /path/to/valid/shell ? |
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| 23:24.00 | abrotman | minerale: eh .. maybe |
| 23:24.04 | sanmarcos | minerale, why cvs? svn supports svn+ssh:// out of the box |
| 23:24.14 | abrotman | sanmarcos: don't confuse the question |
| 23:24.21 | ttl- | if anyone wants to look at the error... http://nanobin.nanosouffle.net/1538 |
| 23:24.24 | minerale | sanmarcos: everyoen has eclipse... it comes with cvs |
| 23:24.35 | abrotman | sanmarcos: you could set $HOME to something useless ? |
| 23:24.35 | sanmarcos | minerale, I am sure there is a svn plugin |
| 23:24.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:24.41 | abrotman | minerale: |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | minerale: maybe ask #cvs |
| 23:24.51 | sanmarcos | you need sleep abrotman |
| 23:25.04 | abrotman | sanmarcos: you need to stop being an ass |
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| 23:25.22 | sanmarcos | what! |
| 23:25.32 | abrotman | i didn't stutter |
| 23:26.51 | floundering | sanmarcos: thanks, I had been trying to get it to work through samba but could not find a PPD file for the laserjet 4L |
| 23:27.24 | sanmarcos | floundering, just google cups ipp, or check the cups doc in your local server, it is all there. AFAIK it should work out of the box since it allows @LOCAL by default |
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| 23:29.41 | dli | floundering, I suppose ipp:// is easier |
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| 23:31.30 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:31.30 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:31.47 | sanmarcos | aptitude moo is better |
| 23:32.41 | sanmarcos | just keep adding -v |
| 23:32.56 | dli | abrotman, why a cow? not a lamb or pig? |
| 23:33.16 | Jenkens | why not a gnu |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | dli: do i look like the zoo keeper? |
| 23:33.34 | Jenkens | sorta smell like one ;) |
| 23:34.06 | dli | abrotman, no, you don't usually put a cow in a zoo :( or a pig |
| 23:34.21 | Jenkens | petting zoo |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | wtf do you live? |
| 23:35.00 | pingouin | with the ninja turtles |
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| 23:35.30 | Jenkens | quick, splinter!@ |
| 23:35.49 | ttl- | so is there a way to delay the kernel talking to an external USB hdd ? |
| 23:36.23 | pingouin | not loading the module maybe ttl- ? |
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| 23:36.35 | ttl- | ok |
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| 23:37.58 | ttl- | pingouin: the problem i have is the kernel talking to the device while it's still doing it's power-on-tests resulting in errors and not being able to mount it afterwards |
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| 23:39.06 | ttl- | pingouin: now i must power the hdd up and wait for 10sec before plugging it in the USB port |
| 23:39.28 | ttl- | pingouin: than it works fine |
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| 23:47.57 | g333k | is it possible to capture lshw output in a text file? |
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| 23:52.51 | Emiml | g333k: lshw >myTextFile.txt |
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| 23:59.30 | abrotman | like mcdonalds? |
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