| 00:00.03 | liable | Firestarter: you dont want sl0 to start at boot? |
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| 00:00.37 | liable | Firestarter: for installed packages.. dpkg -l |grep foo-package |
| 00:01.21 | JordiGH | Firestarter: And maximise your console. It might not fit in an 80-column screen. |
| 00:02.20 | Firestarter | liable: yes I would like to remove it because it seems to conflict with me getting my wireless card working |
| 00:02.20 | kharcore | ok apt-cache policy libdirectfb-dev gives me an answer, os it must be installed |
| 00:02.53 | liable | Firestarter: that *is* your wireless |
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| 00:04.10 | Firestarter | liable: yes I think debian tries to detect and enable it but it don't work. I was hoping I could disable that and use ndiswrapper because it works with my card. |
| 00:04.52 | jelly-home | !blacklist |
| 00:04.52 | liable | Firestarter: ah, ok. are you sure you dont want to try and get that driver working? or you just want to disable it? |
| 00:04.52 | dpkg_ | hmm... blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 00:05.37 | Firestarter | liable: is there a way to configure it |
| 00:06.29 | liable | Firestarter: where did you get the driver for it? |
| 00:06.47 | kharcore | I still get this error |
| 00:06.50 | kharcore | checking for pkg-config... no |
| 00:06.50 | kharcore | checking for DIRECTFB... configure: error: |
| 00:07.02 | kharcore | do I need to do something after installing directFB? |
| 00:07.11 | liable | Firestarter: do you have sarge? what kernel have you got? (just cause the driver seems to be somewhat broken due to your wireless extensions) |
| 00:07.55 | Firestarter | liable: I have kernel 2.6.15-1-686 testing |
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| 00:08.13 | liable | Firestarter: where did you get the driver from? |
| 00:08.16 | Bry2k200 | someone around to give a hand with superkaramba? |
| 00:08.25 | Ronin | !ask |
| 00:08.26 | dpkg_ | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:08.39 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 00:09.14 | Firestarter | liable: debian must be configuring it for me because it was that way after I installed. Before I tried installing ndiswrapper |
| 00:09.18 | Bry2k200 | i search for superkaramba and it's not there |
| 00:09.25 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: eh? |
| 00:09.36 | Bry2k200 | in synaptic |
| 00:09.47 | Bry2k200 | i search for superkaramba in synaptic |
| 00:09.49 | liable | Firestarter: so you didnt have to install anything to get it like that? |
| 00:09.50 | Bry2k200 | not there |
| 00:09.58 | Firestarter | liable: no |
| 00:10.08 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Strange. Have you refreshed package lists recently? |
| 00:10.10 | naga44 | what cd burning program to use in debian to burn mps to cd ? |
| 00:10.19 | JordiGH | !info xcdroast |
| 00:10.24 | liable | Firestarter: hrm, ok, that seems a bit strange. what does lspci say the card is? |
| 00:10.25 | Bry2k200 | ya but i'm assuming i'm doing something wrong |
| 00:10.28 | dpkg_ | xcdroast: (X based CD-writer software), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.98+0alpha15-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1829 kB, Installed size: 4652 kB |
| 00:10.31 | jelly-home | Bry2k200: it's available only in testing and unstable |
| 00:10.39 | Bry2k200 | shite |
| 00:10.43 | Bry2k200 | i'm on stable |
| 00:10.53 | Bry2k200 | i need to add a repository then no? |
| 00:11.04 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Or you could hope for backports. |
| 00:11.10 | JordiGH | !backports |
| 00:11.10 | dpkg_ | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 00:11.13 | Bry2k200 | backports? |
| 00:11.13 | naga44 | JordiGH xcdroast will burn mp3 to audio cd? |
| 00:11.33 | JordiGH | naga44: You want to create an audio cd? I think Xcdroast does it. Let me check... |
| 00:11.49 | Bry2k200 | never heard of backports |
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| 00:12.01 | Firestarter | liable: I would say this is my wireless card 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4319 (rev 02) |
| 00:12.16 | naga44 | thanks |
| 00:12.30 | naga44 | does k3b do it from mp3? |
| 00:12.31 | Bry2k200 | i did a search for a repository that has it, came back with something, part i'm having trouble with is i think i'm missing a step when i try to add a repository |
| 00:12.31 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Well, dpkg just helpfully told us what backports are. I doubt there'll be one for superkaramba, though. |
| 00:12.55 | Bry2k200 | i give the url |
| 00:12.59 | jargon | ok i was wondering if someone could lend a hand with an nn rng i am working on |
| 00:13.04 | liable | Firestarter: oh. run 'update-pciids' and then paste that output again for me. i thought broadcoms were only supported in >2.6.17 |
| 00:13.05 | Bry2k200 | but it's not in my repositories afterwards |
| 00:13.28 | Bry2k200 | do i need to add something in distribution and sections? |
| 00:13.34 | jargon | !fable |
| 00:13.34 | dpkg_ | somebody said fable was http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 00:14.15 | naga44 | thanks a million |
| 00:14.15 | Firestarter | liable: 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1470 DualBand WLAN (rev 02) |
| 00:14.43 | liable | Firestarter: sec |
| 00:15.05 | Ryengoth | Firestarter: http://www.xcdroast.org/faq/#18 |
| 00:15.07 | JordiGH | naga44: http://www.xcdroast.org/faq/#18 |
| 00:15.13 | Ryengoth | ack |
| 00:15.15 | JordiGH | Dang, beat me to it. |
| 00:15.16 | Bry2k200 | •JordiGH• you got some time to help me with repositories? |
| 00:15.20 | JordiGH | But got the wrong person! |
| 00:15.35 | Ryengoth | need more caffiene |
| 00:15.48 | Ryengoth | caffeine too |
| 00:15.58 | naga44 | damn...what about k3b ? |
| 00:15.58 | JordiGH | Ryengoth: Next round is on me. |
| 00:16.06 | naga44 | can that go from mp3 to audio cd? |
| 00:16.09 | JordiGH | Uhh... what's k3b? |
| 00:16.26 | naga44 | big ol burning program |
| 00:16.34 | JordiGH | !info k3b |
| 00:16.37 | dpkg_ | k3b: (A sophisticated KDE CD burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.12.16-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3999 kB, Installed size: 8168 kB |
| 00:16.40 | Bry2k200 | or anyone has a sec to gimme a hand with repositories? |
| 00:16.57 | JordiGH | naga44: Its description says it can. |
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| 00:17.11 | liable | Firestarter: what does 'lsmod |grep bcm' output? also what does 'dmesg| grep sl0' output (paste it in #flood) |
| 00:17.34 | itchi | yeah, k3b can make an audio cd of mp3 files |
| 00:17.55 | Firestarter | liable: nothing |
| 00:18.09 | liable | Firestarter: to both commands? |
| 00:18.26 | JordiGH | kharcore: I got distracted. Still same problem? Have you figured exactly why configure thinks you don't have the library? |
| 00:18.40 | Bry2k200 | is there a way to switch from gnome to kde? |
| 00:18.47 | Firestarter | liable: yes |
| 00:19.02 | liable | Firestarter: ok, put your lsmod output on a paster for me |
| 00:19.30 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: If KDE is installed, you can choose it from the desktop manager (the screen where you login) under "sessions". |
| 00:19.34 | liable | Firestarter: without the grep bit, just plain ol 'lsmod' |
| 00:19.34 | simon_ | hey folks, how do i disable screen-blackout in command line mode? ive got a server with a monitor showing net traffic and i dont want the screen to automatically blackout |
| 00:19.51 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Anyways, we were talking about repositories. You want to use synaptic? |
| 00:20.00 | Bry2k200 | ya |
| 00:20.08 | jargon | ok i was wondering, is there anyone here with experience in UML diagrams that would be able to lend me a hand or otherwise point me in theright direction for how to design a UML of a recursive vector of like derived objects |
| 00:20.28 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Kay, settings -> repositories. |
| 00:20.42 | Bry2k200 | there |
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| 00:21.05 | naga44 | im so glad to be back on a deb system...didnt like ubuntu much |
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| 00:21.12 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Click on new. It's the same URL as the ones you already have. |
| 00:21.19 | Bry2k200 | yep |
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| 00:21.43 | jargon | i am working on a TSR NN-RNG |
| 00:21.51 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Distribution should be testing, and section is main (contrib and non-free if you have no qualms about using non-free software) |
| 00:21.52 | jargon | for use as a system hook |
| 00:22.05 | Bry2k200 | ya i gots none |
| 00:22.05 | jargon | in order to solve the problem of seeds |
| 00:22.20 | Bry2k200 | deb http://deb.stosberg.net/ sarge main |
| 00:22.31 | Bry2k200 | that's the site i found that supposedly has it |
| 00:22.37 | simon_ | no one knows how to disable screen-blanking in the command line? |
| 00:22.39 | Bry2k200 | so in new i type that address correct? |
| 00:22.42 | jargon | this is basically a next-gen rng |
| 00:23.02 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Right. But is that a Debian mirror? You really shouldn't put stuff in there that's not a Debian mirror. |
| 00:23.05 | Bry2k200 | and then distro i type in testing |
| 00:23.07 | jargon | instead of using an algorithm or expression to produce a series... |
| 00:23.14 | Bry2k200 | i think so |
| 00:23.39 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Right. Testing. And in section, put main contrib non-free, like that, separated by spaces. |
| 00:23.43 | jargon | it instead has the series itself be a self-sustaining NN |
| 00:24.06 | jargon | in the form of an asymetrical tree |
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| 00:24.45 | jargon | i was hoping of turning this into a sf project eventually |
| 00:24.58 | Bry2k200 | E:Malformed line 87 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URl parse) |
| 00:24.58 | jargon | i have been with sf for 4 years now |
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| 00:25.03 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Also, go to preferences, distribution tab. I recommend you instruct it to prefer packages from stable. That way, it will only grab dependencies from testing if it absolutely needs to. Note that others may disagree with me. |
| 00:25.24 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Did you put http:// in front? |
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| 00:25.34 | Bry2k200 | yep |
| 00:25.36 | kryl | hi |
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| 00:25.46 | Bry2k200 | i put the address EXACTLY the way i pasted |
| 00:25.49 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: Without the deb? |
| 00:25.53 | Bry2k200 | nope |
| 00:25.53 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 00:25.55 | Bry2k200 | had deb |
| 00:26.05 | simon_ | this is actually rather surprising. a channel full of linux specialists, and nobody knows how to disable the auto blackout in the command line |
| 00:26.17 | jargon | i was needing to research how to construct a x16/x32/x64 TSR |
| 00:26.25 | JordiGH | Take it off. You choose deb or deb-src from the little menu just above where you type address. |
| 00:26.30 | kryl | I'm searching tools to grab informations about ram & cpu in order to help in OC . |
| 00:26.35 | kryl | anyone can help me ? |
| 00:26.55 | Firestarter | liable: lsmod sent to pm |
| 00:26.56 | Bry2k200 | that's what i thought |
| 00:26.58 | Bry2k200 | k00 |
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| 00:27.07 | simon_ | kryl: ifstat |
| 00:27.09 | jargon | does debian still make use of TSR's? |
| 00:27.10 | liable | simon_: try dpms off in xserver conf |
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| 00:27.32 | liable | Firestarter: didnt get it. you need to be registered. just put it on a paster |
| 00:27.34 | kryl | ok, I want to verify the speed of my ram :) |
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| 00:27.52 | Ryengoth | simon: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-disable-screen-blanking-screen-going-blank.html |
| 00:27.54 | Covener | simon_: man setterm if you mean in a VC |
| 00:27.56 | simon_ | liable: doesnt that only work for the running xserver? |
| 00:27.57 | kryl | I force 400Mhz in the bios but I'm not sure about the reality |
| 00:28.02 | JordiGH | Bry2k200: I take it you don't want sources for now. |
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| 00:28.10 | Firestarter | liable: in #flood? |
| 00:28.25 | liable | Firestarter: i guess that will do |
| 00:28.30 | kryl | simon_, I'm searching |
| 00:28.52 | simon_ | thanks you guys rock |
| 00:29.00 | kharcore | is it possible to install a Gentoo package? Compiling in Debian is so hard |
| 00:29.06 | simon_ | Ryengoth got it for me |
| 00:29.17 | kryl | simon_, ifstat is for network analyse? |
| 00:29.21 | Ryengoth | kharcore: what's hard about compiling? |
| 00:29.51 | JordiGH | Ryengoth: kharcore has been trying for a while to compile something and install the pacakge that supposedly satisfied a dependency but configure complains it can't find it. |
| 00:29.54 | simon_ | kryl: oops.... |
| 00:30.10 | kryl | :-( |
| 00:30.25 | simon_ | kryl: hang on, i meant something different |
| 00:30.40 | kryl | np |
| 00:30.47 | kharcore | Ryengoth: this 01:04 < kharcore> checking for pkg-config... no |
| 00:30.48 | kharcore | 01:04 < kharcore> checking for DIRECTFB... configure: error: |
| 00:31.15 | kharcore | and I have libdirectfb clearly installed |
| 00:31.49 | JordiGH | kharcore libdirectfb-DEV ? |
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| 00:31.52 | Ryengoth | are you running that from apt-get? |
| 00:31.58 | jargon | what nn's exist for debian? |
| 00:32.12 | JordiGH | Ryengoth: Trying to compile a non-Debian package. :-/ |
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| 00:32.40 | Ryengoth | strace configure and see what it's looking for |
| 00:32.44 | kharcore | JordiGH: that one too |
| 00:32.45 | simon_ | kryl: shoot.... i cant remember what it was gimme a minute to find it |
| 00:32.52 | Demio | hello, does anyone know of an apt-get repository with apache 2.2.3? |
| 00:32.54 | kharcore | 01:28 < simon_> kryl: hang on, i meant something different |
| 00:32.55 | kharcore | 01:28 < kryl> np |
| 00:33.05 | kharcore | sorry |
| 00:33.08 | kharcore | checking for pkg-config... no |
| 00:33.08 | kharcore | checking for DIRECTFB... configure: error: |
| 00:33.11 | kharcore | again |
| 00:33.25 | kharcore | I think I am going to reboot |
| 00:33.32 | Ryengoth | make sure it can find the libs |
| 00:33.38 | kharcore | can I install a Gentoo package? |
| 00:33.54 | kharcore | compile a Gentoo package in Debian? |
| 00:34.09 | kryl | I'm not sure there is a way to discover the frequency of the RAM |
| 00:34.16 | JordiGH | kharcore: *giggle* STOP THINKING THAT REBOOTING WILL MAKE ANYTHING BETTER! :D |
| 00:34.46 | naga44 | how do i use the scsi driver instead of ide_cdrom driver? |
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| 00:34.49 | simon_ | yeah that only works in windows |
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| 00:35.23 | liable | Firestarter: i cant see where thats getting loaded.. put your entire dmesg output on a pastebot |
| 00:35.27 | liable | !paste |
| 00:35.27 | dpkg_ | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 00:35.29 | simon_ | kryl: look for the sysstat package in aptitude |
| 00:35.31 | liable | Firestarter: ^^ |
| 00:35.32 | Ryengoth | kharcore: what source project are you compiling |
| 00:35.42 | kharcore | Ryengoth: qingy |
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| 00:35.51 | kryl | simon_, it's ok ;) |
| 00:35.59 | kharcore | and I followed the FAQ for debian |
| 00:36.07 | kharcore | so all the dependencies are ok |
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| 00:36.27 | simon_ | kryl: no thats what i was thinking of to begin with |
| 00:36.34 | kharcore | even DirectFB yet ./configure can't find it, I never had this issue with Gentoo |
| 00:36.43 | Ryengoth | kharcore that is, if configure can find the libs it needs |
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| 00:36.51 | kryl | simon_, thanks for your help ;) |
| 00:37.14 | simon_ | Welcome |
| 00:37.19 | kryl | ;) |
| 00:37.28 | simon_ | i found what i needed, im outta here |
| 00:37.29 | Firestarter | liable: how do I do a pastebot |
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| 00:38.42 | kharcore | Ryengoth: how could I make qingy to find the libs needed? |
| 00:38.47 | kharcore | I am out of ideas |
| 00:39.02 | liable | Firestarter: just go to the site (in a web browser) and paste the ouput, then hit the paste button (or whatever it is) and then give me the url |
| 00:39.18 | Ryengoth | kharcore: are you *sure* it's not a DirectFB version issue? |
| 00:40.14 | kharcore | Ryengoth: I need more than 9.18 |
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| 00:40.21 | kharcore | and I have 9.20 or something |
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| 00:41.08 | kharcore | it's 9.20 |
| 00:41.10 | Bry2k200 | ok i have unresolved dependencies while trying to install superkaramba |
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| 00:41.50 | Ryengoth2 | gah! |
| 00:42.06 | Bry2k200 | Depends: kdelibs4 (>=4:3.5.3-1) but 4:3.3.2-6.4 is to be installed |
| 00:42.15 | Bry2k200 | so is that saying i need something newer? |
| 00:42.38 | Bry2k200 | or lemme rephrase |
| 00:42.46 | Bry2k200 | what newer package do i need? |
| 00:42.47 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 00:43.31 | Bry2k200 | hrmm......do i need libc6? |
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| 00:44.26 | kharcore | how can i solve an unresolved lib? |
| 00:44.30 | kharcore | unmet lib? |
| 00:44.43 | liable | Firestarter: got it worked out? |
| 00:44.50 | kharcore | checking for pkg-config... no |
| 00:44.50 | kharcore | checking for DIRECTFB... configure: error: |
| 00:45.28 | Firestarter | liable: sftp.biz/dmesg.txt |
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| 00:45.53 | wuffi600 | hi there. |
| 00:46.00 | wuffi600 | could you help me on a "hostname problem": I thought that "hostname -s" should print the Shortname of the computer (e.g. mybox) and "hostname -f" should print the FQDN (e.g. mybox.mydomain.mytopleveldomain) and "hostname -d" should print my domain (e.g. mydomain.mytopleveldomain). On my Maschine this does not work. Why? Could you have a look at http://pastebin.de/10797 |
| 00:48.42 | Bry2k200 | ok does anyone have some actual working debin repositories? |
| 00:48.52 | jetscreamer | doesn't everybody? |
| 00:48.57 | Bry2k200 | ya me |
| 00:48.59 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 00:49.01 | liable | Firestarter: i am at a loss to whats creating that device. i take it your card is mini-pci? |
| 00:49.06 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: are you serving your own DNS via bind? |
| 00:49.36 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: yes |
| 00:49.38 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list |
| 00:49.54 | Firestarter | liable: yes |
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| 00:50.56 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• thanks m8 |
| 00:51.07 | Firestarter | liable: that's why I asked I can't figure it out either. Only thing I can think is diald is doing something strange. |
| 00:51.12 | Bry2k200 | in distro is that sarge? |
| 00:51.15 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: did you try "dig"ging for your own hostname? |
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| 00:51.28 | liable | Firestarter: yeah, its something to do with the slip/cslip stuff i think |
| 00:51.28 | Bry2k200 | and section is that main contrib non-free? |
| 00:51.33 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• ? |
| 00:51.41 | Bry2k200 | oh wait |
| 00:51.43 | Bry2k200 | nvm |
| 00:51.44 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 00:51.59 | liable | Firestarter: ah, yep, thats what it would be |
| 00:52.01 | lontra | can anyone help me troubleshoot my printer? i know i have the appropriate driver installed, i have the it configured with cups, how ever when i try to print a test page with the gnome-cups-manager it stays printer is stopped |
| 00:52.05 | liable | Firestarter: stop diald |
| 00:52.09 | dilation | Bry2k200: why do I see inverted "U"s whenever you address a nickname? :) |
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| 00:52.37 | Bry2k200 | •dilation• cause i'm on my windows box using invision while i configure my debian box |
| 00:52.38 | Bry2k200 | :P |
| 00:52.49 | liable | Firestarter: why do you have it installed? |
| 00:52.52 | lontra | it's a dell a920 that uses the lexmark z600 driver |
| 00:52.54 | dilation | Bry2k200: 8-) |
| 00:52.57 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
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| 00:53.21 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: please look http://pastebin.de/10798 |
| 00:53.44 | Bry2k200 | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 00:53.53 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: try your FQDN |
| 00:53.59 | Bry2k200 | i'm assuming that in distrobution i put sid? |
| 00:54.14 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: never mind |
| 00:54.44 | Firestarter | liable: All I installed using tasksel is x windows enviroment. Must have gotten installed using that. |
| 00:55.18 | jetscreamer | you put sid, etch or sarge... or stable testing or unstable |
| 00:55.20 | liable | Firestarter: oh, ok, well purge it if you dont need it |
| 00:55.29 | jetscreamer | whatever it is you use |
| 00:55.44 | Bry2k200 | a quick yes or no would be great |
| 00:55.52 | jetscreamer | you put sid, etch or sarge... or stable testing or unstable |
| 00:56.02 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 00:56.09 | jetscreamer | pick one at random if you wish... or put the one you use |
| 00:56.16 | stoned | huh |
| 00:56.19 | stoned | random |
| 00:56.28 | dilation | stoned: debian roulette |
| 00:56.46 | Bry2k200 | shite i can't connect to any of these |
| 00:56.49 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/version is how to tell? i forget |
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| 00:57.18 | Firestarter | liable: I should have installed all my packages withought tasksel seems it always gives me stuff I don't need |
| 00:57.19 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.35 | jetscreamer | what you care if you can ping is ftp.debian.org |
| 00:58.01 | stoned | jetscreamer, last sentence could use a few umm... more words |
| 00:58.04 | liable | Firestarter: yeah, it installs a lot of stuff, is aimed at the new user who doesnt really know what they want. |
| 00:58.04 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:58.11 | jetscreamer | yeah tasksel makes your box a bloated pig whtn it's done |
| 00:58.27 | stoned | I thought you guys liked big pigs |
| 00:58.27 | liable | yep |
| 00:58.31 | stoned | more meat right? |
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| 00:58.36 | dilation | hmm, bloated pig |
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| 00:58.39 | liable | that was bad timing.. |
| 00:58.50 | OPP | hi, why cant i install xlibs? |
| 00:58.52 | stoned | liable, no perfect timing |
| 00:58.53 | stoned | lol |
| 00:58.57 | OPP | im using debian testing |
| 00:59.07 | liable | hehe |
| 00:59.09 | jetscreamer | pork is your god |
| 00:59.12 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: I dunno |
| 00:59.13 | dilation | with an open sauce :D get it "open" "sauce"? |
| 00:59.17 | dilation | hahahah |
| 00:59.19 | dilation | ha |
| 00:59.25 | OPP | when i try to use the ubstable repos it still doesnt work |
| 01:00.01 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: I normally set the hostname to the host's name and not the FQDN |
| 01:00.19 | OPP | can anyone help? |
| 01:00.37 | liable | !info xlibs etch |
| 01:00.44 | OPP | !info xlibs etch |
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| 01:01.14 | stoned | dpkg, hi |
| 01:01.14 | dpkg_ | hey, stoned |
| 01:02.33 | OPP | where can i get xlibs |
| 01:02.40 | OPP | for testing etch |
| 01:02.41 | OPP | or how |
| 01:02.59 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: ok, i'll try the short name. is my /etc/hosts ok. Is the linesyntax correct? |
| 01:03.02 | jetscreamer | !find xlibs etch |
| 01:03.04 | stoned | !enter |
| 01:03.04 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: DNS services should lay out what the FQDN is for an IP address(host) |
| 01:03.04 | dpkg_ | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 01:03.05 | dpkg_ | Debian Package Listing of 'xlibs' (2): xlibs-data ;; xlibs-static-dev. |
| 01:03.18 | OPP | i have those installed |
| 01:03.31 | jetscreamer | then what do you want |
| 01:03.35 | Bry2k200 | ok i haven't connected to a single repository |
| 01:03.36 | OPP | just xlibs |
| 01:03.39 | Bry2k200 | anyone can help? |
| 01:03.43 | OPP | !find xlibs sid |
| 01:03.44 | dpkg_ | Debian Package Listing of 'xlibs' (2): xlibs-data ;; xlibs-static-dev. |
| 01:03.48 | jetscreamer | did you do apt-get update Bry2k200 ? |
| 01:03.52 | OPP | !find xlibs sarge |
| 01:03.56 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: "host 192.168.0.200" prints out "200.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer eliot.dino.homeunix.net." correctly. |
| 01:04.02 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• i just reloaded it |
| 01:04.05 | OPP | !find xlibs stable |
| 01:04.07 | dpkg_ | Debian Package Listing of 'xlibs' (7): xlibs ;; xlibs-data ;; xlibs-dbg ;; xlibs-dev ;; xlibs-pic ;; xlibs-static-dev ;; xlibs-static-pic. |
| 01:04.09 | dpkg_ | Debian Search of 'xlibs' (1): (/usr/share/elvis/stubs/xlibstub.c) in editors/elvis-common. |
| 01:04.14 | OPP | thats what i need |
| 01:04.17 | OPP | just xlibs |
| 01:04.20 | OPP | from sarge |
| 01:04.29 | jetscreamer | OPP: i bet those are xfree ones, not xorg.. but i'm guessing |
| 01:04.29 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• do that in console? |
| 01:04.30 | stoned | !tell OPP -about msg the bot |
| 01:04.40 | OPP | jetscreamer that is correct |
| 01:04.48 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: yeah apt-get update (updates your sources) as root |
| 01:04.49 | OPP | thats why i want to know how i can get it for etch |
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| 01:05.12 | jetscreamer | !find xserver-xfree86 etch |
| 01:05.22 | dpkg_ | xserver-xfree86: (transitional package for moving from XFree86 to X.Org), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 01:05.30 | jetscreamer | !find xfree86 etch |
| 01:05.32 | dpkg_ | Debian Package Listing of 'xfree86' (5): t1-xfree86-nonfree ;; ttf-xfree86-nonfree ;; ttf-xfree86-nonfree-syriac ;; xfree86-driver-synaptics ;; xserver-xfree86. |
| 01:05.35 | wuffi600 | when writing a new line in /etc/hosts staring with ip-adress followed by hostnames. Is the order of the hostnames of impotrance? |
| 01:05.43 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• ya no not working |
| 01:05.46 | Bry2k200 | got more errors |
| 01:05.47 | jetscreamer | at a guess, there is no xfree in etch |
| 01:05.52 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: where does "host eliot" point to, when you run it from the local host? |
| 01:06.01 | Bry2k200 | got more errorsGREAT |
| 01:06.02 | jetscreamer | paste your sources.list and that output on a paster |
| 01:06.05 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 01:06.06 | dpkg_ | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:06.12 | Bry2k200 | so far debian is GREAT |
| 01:06.26 | barnseenio | im trying to compile mt-daapd on an nslu2, i have the source extracted and configured but am getting the following error message (even though a debian dir exists) : NSUL2:~/mt-daapd-0.2.4# dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is : can anyone help? |
| 01:06.30 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: "eliot.dino.homeunix.net has address 192.168.0.200" seems to be resolved via /etc/hosts |
| 01:06.35 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• huh? |
| 01:06.36 | jetscreamer | does your internet work on that box? |
| 01:06.39 | jetscreamer | paste your sources.list and that output on a paster |
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| 01:06.42 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 01:06.43 | dpkg_ | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:06.50 | OPP | what? |
| 01:06.51 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• ya inet is fine |
| 01:07.05 | OPP | so im screwed? |
| 01:07.06 | Bry2k200 | where would you like to do !paste? |
| 01:07.07 | barnseenio | hmm, the changelog file is ChangeLog |
| 01:07.19 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: are you serving local DNS, or are DNS queries for dino.homeunix.net coming to your box? |
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| 01:07.28 | jetscreamer | OPP: jsut go to pdo and d/l the stable files... might/should work... it does for other packages, for me |
| 01:07.36 | jetscreamer | !tell OPP -about pdo |
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| 01:07.53 | OPP | !tell me -about pdo please |
| 01:08.06 | Bry2k200 | [8:06pm] <jetscreamer> paste your sources.list and that output on a paster <-----dunno what yer talkin about m8 |
| 01:08.18 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: go to that website and paste what i said, then give the link here after you click ok or whatever |
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| 01:08.25 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 01:08.40 | barnseenio | so does dpkg-buildpackage require a debian\changelog file? |
| 01:08.50 | OPP | jetscreamer it doesnt |
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| 01:08.56 | jetscreamer | your sources.list, that you just edited, and the errors you were just mentioning, Bry2k200 |
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| 01:09.09 | jetscreamer | doesn't what, OPP ? |
| 01:09.20 | OPP | hold on |
| 01:09.22 | jetscreamer | opp |
| 01:09.27 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg pdo |
| 01:09.39 | OPP | the old stable package of xlibs |
| 01:09.41 | OPP | doesnt work |
| 01:09.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:09.45 | OPP | wtf is pdo |
| 01:09.47 | jetscreamer | no idea dude |
| 01:09.56 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: this is my dns-config: http://pastebin.de/10799 |
| 01:09.56 | jetscreamer | download packages.deb |
| 01:10.00 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• where are my sources.list? |
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| 01:10.10 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: you just edited them!!! |
| 01:10.17 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:10.23 | Bry2k200 | tnx |
| 01:10.26 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: so, there is a forwarder-dns. |
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| 01:10.31 | jetscreamer | s/them/it/ |
| 01:10.56 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list works for me |
| 01:11.15 | jetscreamer | !!! |
| 01:11.16 | dpkg_ | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:11.52 | pipeline | !! |
| 01:11.52 | dpkg_ | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 01:12.04 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 01:12.05 | barnseenio | is there a way to tell dpkg-buildpackage not to f*ck with changelog file? |
| 01:12.08 | jetscreamer | ! |
| 01:12.12 | Bry2k200 | •jetscreamer• http://channels.debian.net/paste/3424 |
| 01:12.54 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:14.03 | pipeline | Bry2k200: Jesus christ your IRC habits ar einappropriate |
| 01:14.03 | pipeline | Bry2k200: What's this "U" shit? |
| 01:14.03 | Bry2k200 | didn't know i was being inappropriate |
| 01:14.07 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 01:14.10 | pipeline | Bry2k200: protip: colored bullshit is frowned upon outside of #lolteensex |
| 01:14.17 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:14.23 | Bry2k200 | thanks for the tp |
| 01:14.35 | Bry2k200 | err, tip |
| 01:14.42 | jetscreamer | put that in there, and uncomment the security one |
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| 01:14.47 | Bry2k200 | k |
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| 01:15.03 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update ... make sure all the other lines are commented ( # infront ) |
| 01:15.17 | jetscreamer | ctrl+x to save and exit nano |
| 01:15.32 | barnseenio | ugg |
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| 01:15.51 | barnseenio | sorry to be a pain, but really anyone knows about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 01:16.06 | Bry2k200 | pipeline; thanks again for the tip, and if i ever visit i'll make sure to say hi |
| 01:16.07 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: are you running stable or what though |
| 01:16.12 | Bry2k200 | stable m8 |
| 01:16.14 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 01:16.44 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: I dunno what to tell ya |
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| 01:19.08 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: is the linesyntax of /etc/hosts correct in this way: "123.123.123.123 shorthostname FQDN"? |
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| 01:19.59 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: e.g. "127.0.0.1 localhost localdomain" or "192.168.0.200 ns ns.dino.homeunix.net" |
| 01:20.56 | Ryengoth | wuffi600: hostname -d should show dino.homeunix.net |
| 01:21.05 | Bry2k200 | jetscreamer; am i supposed to have synaptic open? |
| 01:21.16 | jetscreamer | 127.0.1.1 hostname.blah.com hostname |
| 01:22.06 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: you're supposed to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list, save it, then do apt-get update. you can update with synaptic if you want... not sure when synaptic reads the sources.list though |
| 01:22.06 | wuffi600 | jetscreamer: is the syntax really "ip fqdn shorthostname"? |
| 01:22.26 | Bry2k200 | ya it did it awfully quick though |
| 01:22.39 | Bry2k200 | slow machine too.......amd athlon 650 |
| 01:22.40 | wuffi600 | Ryengoth: "hostname -d" prints out nothing. so i guess my /etc/hosts is syntactically wrong. |
| 01:22.41 | jetscreamer | wuffi600: i just exec's cat /etc/hosts ... that's what mine looks like |
| 01:22.50 | jetscreamer | man hosts maybe |
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| 01:23.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.31 | jetscreamer | in man hosts |
| 01:24.33 | Bry2k200 | omg |
| 01:24.34 | jetscreamer | cool |
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| 01:24.45 | jetscreamer | that didn't get pasted here did it? |
| 01:24.50 | dvs | no |
| 01:24.55 | Bry2k200 | tried to reload through synaptic, could not connect |
| 01:25.00 | jetscreamer | thank god |
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| 01:25.06 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:26.00 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: not sure, don't use synaptic. maybe close it then restart it. your sources look like what i said, and you did apt-get update as root? |
| 01:26.10 | jetscreamer | should work then |
| 01:26.14 | Bry2k200 | yep |
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| 01:27.46 | Marshman | hey does anybody know the site that was for global bug reports and such? |
| 01:27.50 | Marshman | bugreports.com? i forgot. |
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| 01:28.13 | jetscreamer | !bdo |
| 01:28.13 | dpkg_ | somebody said bdo was bugs.debian.org. before bitching in #debian, check to see if your bug is already filed |
| 01:28.34 | FrankRizz0 | jetscreamer; it's Bry2k200 |
| 01:28.59 | FrankRizz0 | the error i'm getting is it can't connect |
| 01:29.13 | jetscreamer | paste your current sources.list |
| 01:29.18 | FrankRizz0 | k |
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| 01:31.05 | FrankRizz0 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3425 |
| 01:32.04 | beu | .43 |
| 01:32.08 | beu | er... sorry :/ |
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| 01:32.21 | dvs | FrankRizz0: all the lines are commented out except for the ///cdrom line |
| 01:32.32 | FrankRizz0 | what ya mean? |
| 01:32.45 | FrankRizz0 | or rephrase, how do i correct? |
| 01:32.57 | dvs | FrankRizz0: Where do you want to get the packages from? |
| 01:33.25 | FrankRizz0 | i don't care really, i just want some good repositories that i can get superkaramba |
| 01:33.35 | FrankRizz0 | and mebbe a few other apps |
| 01:34.15 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: also you didn't comment out the first line |
| 01:34.22 | dvs | FrankRizz0: I'd comment the ///cdrom line and uncomment the http://security.debian.org/ andftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:34.39 | FrankRizz0 | you mean delete? |
| 01:34.39 | codynotes | My ethernet card is not getting a static IP address as eth0. The card is a Realtek RTL8139. I see mention of problems with the driver for this card all over the place, but no actual solution. When I run dmesg | grep 8139 I get '8139cp: pci dev 0000:06:04.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip; 8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead.' When I run lsmod, I see the 8139cp driver, so I used modprobe to remove the 8139cp |
| 01:34.39 | codynotes | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.49 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup && nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:34.54 | dvs | FrankRizz0: No, put a # in front of it |
| 01:34.59 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: the in the new file, put... |
| 01:35.01 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 01:35.01 | jetscreamer | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 01:35.14 | dvs | ^^^^ that's even better |
| 01:35.19 | jetscreamer | hit ctrl+x, then apt-get update |
| 01:35.32 | jetscreamer | ctrl+x to save&exit nano |
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| 01:35.36 | FrankRizz0 | ok so open consol and put in mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup && nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:35.48 | dvs | FrankRizz0: sure |
| 01:35.52 | FrankRizz0 | hehe |
| 01:35.54 | jetscreamer | yes then put those two lines in, save it, and do apt-get update |
| 01:36.01 | FrankRizz0 | k |
| 01:36.50 | deadcat | all ppc unstable repo seems down... |
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| 01:37.14 | tuv | codynotes, what happens if you do "ifconfig eth0 <static-ip>" |
| 01:37.34 | Juzzy | is it just me or is it weird that bzip2 doesnt come installed on sarge? :| |
| 01:37.41 | Juzzy | by default |
| 01:37.42 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: all that was as root, btw |
| 01:38.59 | FrankRizz0 | yep |
| 01:39.27 | codynotes | tuv: Wait, that works |
| 01:39.29 | FrankRizz0 | OMFG |
| 01:39.32 | codynotes | I have an address now |
| 01:39.32 | FrankRizz0 | same error |
| 01:39.34 | codynotes | WTF?? |
| 01:39.36 | dvs | FrankRizz0: what? |
| 01:39.41 | FrankRizz0 | could't connect |
| 01:39.51 | jetscreamer | paste the sources again... you did say the intarweb worked |
| 01:39.52 | dvs | FrankRizz0: Is that computer connected to the internet? |
| 01:39.56 | FrankRizz0 | lol |
| 01:40.07 | FrankRizz0 | i hope so or i'm dreaming this xchat conversatiuon |
| 01:40.33 | dvs | FrankRizz0: past the sources.list file again |
| 01:40.37 | FrankRizz0 | k |
| 01:40.40 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: apt-get upgrade didn't work, or synaptic didn't |
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| 01:40.47 | jetscreamer | err update not upgrade |
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| 01:42.41 | FrankRizz0 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3426 |
| 01:42.51 | codynotes | tuv: I have the IP set up in /etc/network/interfaces already though. How do I make this work when the machine boots? |
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| 01:43.44 | tuv | codynotes, man interfaces. basically "eth0 auto" and "iface eth0 inet static" "address <static-ip>" |
| 01:43.58 | dvs | Isn't the first line suppose to be: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 01:44.09 | codynotes | tuv: Yeah, that's already exactly what I have |
| 01:44.19 | codynotes | That's why I'm perplexed by this |
| 01:44.49 | codynotes | Also, everything worked smoothly for three or four days (this is a new install). After that, though, it all of a sudden stopped bringing up an address |
| 01:44.50 | FrankRizz0 | jetscreamer, no, well, it said Reading packages.....Done |
| 01:44.55 | FrankRizz0 | but was damn quick |
| 01:44.58 | tuv | codynotes, do you have the rest of the fields for inet static? e.g. netmask, gateway |
| 01:45.04 | codynotes | Yeah |
| 01:45.09 | keck0f | what is the debian way to set hostname, domainname on a debian machine? |
| 01:45.14 | dvs | FrankRizz0: Oh? So you didn't get an error message? |
| 01:45.25 | FrankRizz0 | got an error when i used synaptic |
| 01:45.32 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 01:45.34 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 01:45.40 | dvs | !lart jetscreamer |
| 01:45.40 | jetscreamer | :( my bad |
| 01:45.42 | FrankRizz0 | couldn't connect just like the rest of the repositories |
| 01:45.56 | dvs | FrankRizz0: edit the sources.list again. |
| 01:46.01 | tuv | codynotes, maybe because the wrong module is loaded on boot as you explained earlier |
| 01:46.18 | FrankRizz0 | you mean erase everything and re-enter thopse 2? |
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| 01:46.21 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:46.27 | jetscreamer | just add the word debian |
| 01:46.27 | dvs | FrankRizz0: Change line one to the above |
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| 01:46.46 | jetscreamer | ftp.debian.org becomes ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 01:47.08 | FrankRizz0 | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian <----that? |
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| 01:47.21 | jetscreamer | i copied that from your previous sources.list that you pasted btw |
| 01:47.21 | dvs | FrankRizz0: yes |
| 01:47.23 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:47.24 | FrankRizz0 | k |
| 01:47.25 | codynotes | tuv, do you know I make it load the correct driver? That's what's confusing me, I'm not exactly sure how to screw around with device drivers |
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| 01:47.38 | jetscreamer | i copied the mistake i mean |
| 01:47.43 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 01:48.29 | tuv | codynotes, i'd try adding the desired module to /etc/modules. but i'm not sure. try that first and then ask again here |
| 01:50.04 | FrankRizz0 | ya i think that did it guys |
| 01:50.06 | FrankRizz0 | :) |
| 01:50.14 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 01:50.27 | dvs | FrankRizz0: now apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:51.20 | jetscreamer | if you want a module to load when you start the computer you put the modulename in /etc/modules yes |
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| 01:51.41 | FrankRizz0 | ok how bout a repository to get superkaramba? |
| 01:51.42 | FrankRizz0 | heh |
| 01:51.48 | dvs | who? |
| 01:51.55 | jetscreamer | !find superkaramba sarge |
| 01:51.55 | stoned | gyg |
| 01:51.56 | FrankRizz0 | ok |
| 01:51.58 | stoned | huh |
| 01:52.05 | dpkg_ | Debian Search of 'superkaramba' (1): (/usr/share/memaid-pyqt/superkaramba/{memaid_superkaramba.py|memaid_superkaramba.theme}, /usr/share/memaid-pyqt/superkaramba/docs/{memaid_superkaramba.html|memaid_superkaramba.png}) in misc/memaid-pyqt. |
| 01:52.08 | stoned | its in there |
| 01:52.11 | stoned | but not in deb main |
| 01:52.17 | jetscreamer | apt-get install superkaramba amybe |
| 01:52.19 | dvs | !info superkaramba sarge |
| 01:52.21 | stoned | !stosberg |
| 01:52.22 | dpkg_ | i heard stosberg is Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (stable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. |
| 01:52.29 | stoned | it should be there |
| 01:52.31 | stoned | super karamba |
| 01:52.36 | stoned | if not, you can backport it from sid |
| 01:52.55 | dvs | @info superkaramba sarge |
| 01:52.55 | FrankRizz0 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:53.00 | jetscreamer | you might consider etch for a desktop someday, FrankRizz0 |
| 01:53.06 | jetscreamer | when you feel comfy |
| 01:53.43 | FrankRizz0 | what's etch? |
| 01:53.48 | dvs | !etch |
| 01:53.49 | dpkg_ | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:53.51 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: all you would do is change sarge to etch, in sources.list, but the security updates line is different |
| 01:54.00 | FrankRizz0 | k |
| 01:54.01 | jetscreamer | BUT! |
| 01:54.05 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 01:54.05 | dpkg_ | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 01:54.20 | jetscreamer | you can't go back, basically |
| 01:54.25 | FrankRizz0 | apt-get install superkaramba amybe <---- is that correct? |
| 01:54.31 | jetscreamer | so feel good about it before you decide |
| 01:54.36 | FrankRizz0 | k |
| 01:54.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get install superkaramba |
| 01:54.51 | jetscreamer | that was supposed to be 'maybe' on the end :) |
| 01:55.11 | jetscreamer | maybe because 'maybe' it's not in sarge |
| 01:55.12 | FrankRizz0 | Package superkaramba is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:55.19 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 01:55.29 | jetscreamer | /o\ rather |
| 01:55.49 | jetscreamer | it is in etch though |
| 01:56.12 | jetscreamer | and the kde and gnome in sarge is kinda old imo |
| 01:56.21 | jetscreamer | but better than what was in woody |
| 01:56.35 | FrankRizz0 | so i can't install superkaramba? |
| 01:56.43 | jetscreamer | there's backports |
| 01:56.58 | FrankRizz0 | you got time to walk me through? |
| 01:57.04 | jetscreamer | i've never used them |
| 01:57.12 | jetscreamer | i did woody for a month maybe |
| 01:57.16 | jetscreamer | then went sid |
| 01:57.26 | codynotes | tuv: That worked!! |
| 01:57.28 | codynotes | Sweeeeet, yay |
| 01:57.35 | tuv | codynotes, great |
| 01:57.42 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 01:57.43 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 01:57.43 | dvs | and the jokes come back.... |
| 01:57.56 | jetscreamer | ^^ FrankRizz0 |
| 01:58.02 | FrankRizz0 | ya |
| 01:59.21 | jetscreamer | sid wants to remove stuff i like :( no upgrade for me tonight |
| 01:59.47 | codynotes | Thank you ^^ |
| 01:59.55 | tuv | sid is too risky.. etch is great |
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| 02:01.05 | DocOC | has anyone upgraded on unstable in the last few hours? |
| 02:01.18 | tuv | see what i mean ?! |
| 02:01.53 | FrankRizz0 | so if i install unstable i'll be good to go with superkaramba? |
| 02:02.10 | dvs | FrankRizz0: etch is good enough |
| 02:02.19 | DocOC | nah, I have no problem, I was just wondering if the new xorg-related upgrades are signifigant |
| 02:02.27 | tuv | FrankRizz0, testing (etch) will do. no need to go all the way to sid |
| 02:02.32 | FrankRizz0 | how do i install etch |
| 02:02.47 | dvs | FrankRizz0: Change "sarge" to "etch" then run apt-get update |
| 02:02.54 | dvs | in sources.list |
| 02:03.13 | FrankRizz0 | k |
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| 02:03.21 | DocOC | FrankRizz0: superkaramba is so junky, I don't know why you would want it. |
| 02:03.32 | FrankRizz0 | i love it |
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| 02:03.43 | DocOC | resource-hog buggy crap. |
| 02:04.22 | tuv | i tried gdesklets and it just eats all system resources |
| 02:04.49 | DocOC | yeah, gdesklets are the gnome version of resource-hog buggy crap. |
| 02:05.04 | tuv | couldn't agree more |
| 02:05.29 | tuv | it seems python is not that resource-friendly |
| 02:06.00 | DocOC | ok, well doing the upgrade, hoping the new xorg stuff fixes the mach64 driver crappiness. |
| 02:06.23 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: comment out that security line, unless you can find the correct version for etch |
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| 02:06.47 | jetscreamer | oh hey i think i have it |
| 02:06.52 | dvs | jetscreamer: I have deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:07.53 | jetscreamer | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 02:08.07 | dvs | you're wrong!!!! ;-) |
| 02:08.09 | jetscreamer | i don't think the contrib non-free go... no idea |
| 02:08.28 | jetscreamer | that was what it used to be like a few months ago |
| 02:08.43 | jetscreamer | when they first started doing the etch security |
| 02:09.17 | jetscreamer | lets find out |
| 02:10.59 | jetscreamer | seem to have them ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/etch/updates/ |
| 02:11.16 | jetscreamer | dvs++ |
| 02:11.21 | dvs | woohoo! |
| 02:12.13 | jetscreamer | !dvs++ |
| 02:12.20 | jetscreamer | !karma dvs |
| 02:12.20 | dpkg_ | dvs has karma of 2 |
| 02:12.36 | jetscreamer | !karma jetscreamer |
| 02:12.36 | dpkg_ | jetscreamer has karma of 1 |
| 02:12.41 | dvs | who is dpkg_ ? |
| 02:13.17 | jetscreamer | dpkg's evil twin? |
| 02:13.24 | jetscreamer | dpkg wtf |
| 02:13.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg_ wtf |
| 02:13.39 | dvs | selective hearing too |
| 02:13.42 | jetscreamer | dpkg lart dpkg_ |
| 02:14.13 | FrankRizz0 | ugh.....i need a repository for kdelibs4c2a |
| 02:14.13 | jetscreamer | it's just a symlink! |
| 02:14.20 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:14.23 | dvs | heh |
| 02:14.25 | FrankRizz0 | and libqt3-mt |
| 02:14.55 | dvs | FrankRizz0: libqt3-mt is in etch |
| 02:15.04 | FrankRizz0 | k |
| 02:15.11 | dvs | so is the other one |
| 02:15.24 | jetscreamer | !find kdelibs4c etch |
| 02:15.26 | FrankRizz0 | i searched for it |
| 02:15.31 | jetscreamer | !find kdelibs4c etch |
| 02:15.39 | dpkg_ | Debian Search of 'kdelibs4c' (1): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/kdelibs4c2a) in libs/kdelibs4c2a. |
| 02:16.02 | dvs | dpkg_: speed up! |
| 02:16.08 | jetscreamer | i remember a week or 2 ago they changed that lib in sid... took a day or 3 |
| 02:16.47 | jetscreamer | you 'could' theoretically d/l the sid version from pdo and install it manually... but hey i don't want to help you fix it :/ |
| 02:17.03 | FrankRizz0 | -su: !find: event not found |
| 02:17.11 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 02:17.14 | dvs | huh? |
| 02:17.17 | FrankRizz0 | should that be whereis? |
| 02:17.19 | jetscreamer | no that's a bot command here in irc |
| 02:17.25 | FrankRizz0 | oh |
| 02:17.28 | FrankRizz0 | hehe |
| 02:17.31 | jetscreamer | !find somthing |
| 02:17.54 | dpkg_ | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'somthing' returned no results. |
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| 02:18.01 | minerale | is there a pre-made alisas/binary/something for reading .gz text files? so I don't have to gzip -c doc.txt.gz | less |
| 02:18.13 | dvs | minerale: zless or zmore |
| 02:18.46 | minerale | ah, thanks, I always wondered why they had to compress the text files in the /usr/share/package/doc |
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| 02:20.02 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fk%2Fkdelibs%2Fkdelibs4c2a_3.5.3-1_i386.deb&md5sum=2f26370397ff31802d938fd14d631427&arch=i386&type=main |
| 02:20.07 | jetscreamer | seems to be in etch |
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| 02:20.36 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdelibs4c2a&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 02:30.26 | jiggs | newbie question: why is it that when I put another network card on my box setup for a different subnet, the whole box just stops respoding to any incoming requests... on both NICs? |
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| 02:36.38 | Bry2k200 | ya so that didn't work too well |
| 02:36.39 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 02:36.54 | Bry2k200 | you still around jetscreamer? |
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| 02:37.44 | Bry2k200 | dvst ? |
| 02:38.19 | dvst | Bry2k200, what? |
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| 02:38.23 | Tama00 | hi |
| 02:38.38 | Tama00 | where are the floppy disk images located on the mirrors? |
| 02:38.43 | Tama00 | please:) |
| 02:38.49 | Bry2k200 | i did x11-common |
| 02:39.23 | Bry2k200 | well.........it restarted |
| 02:39.37 | Bry2k200 | had nothing on my desktop in the way of a kicker or menu bar |
| 02:39.40 | Bry2k200 | restarted |
| 02:39.45 | Bry2k200 | everything is back |
| 02:40.35 | Bry2k200 | tried to install superkaramba, says e: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem |
| 02:40.49 | Bry2k200 | any idears? |
| 02:41.22 | Nurbs | I DON'T KNOW! You probably shouldn't run 'dpkg --configure -a' manually to correct the problem |
| 02:41.58 | Nurbs | Stupid cryptic error messages. |
| 02:42.13 | Bry2k200 | Nurbs; wut you talkin about d00d? |
| 02:42.20 | Bry2k200 | i was talkin to dvst |
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| 02:45.01 | Bry2k200 | can someone gimme a hand please |
| 02:45.51 | abrotman | Bry2k200: it tells you exactly what to do |
| 02:46.14 | Bry2k200 | so i type in console dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:46.15 | Bry2k200 | ?? |
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| 02:46.50 | abrotman | try it .. |
| 02:47.41 | Bry2k200 | Errors were encountered while processing: gnome-panel-data |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | Bry2k200: see .. now what's the error ? |
| 02:48.25 | Bry2k200 | [9:47pm] <Bry2k200> Errors were encountered while processing: gnome-panel-data |
| 02:49.16 | jnoon | if im on sarge, but need newer versions of stuff, like ruby 1.8.4 etc, are there a certain set of repos I should use? |
| 02:49.33 | Bry2k200 | so wut now? |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | WHAT ARE THE ERRORS |
| 02:49.50 | itchi | jnoon: The backports site |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | don't be so dense |
| 02:50.06 | jnoon | itchi, cool thanks |
| 02:50.11 | Bry2k200 | [9:48pm] <Bry2k200> [9:47pm] <Bry2k200> Errors were encountered while processing: gnome-panel-data <-----that is the error in my console |
| 02:50.20 | Bry2k200 | don't be so rude |
| 02:50.29 | itchi | Bry2k200: Hey you need to give me my money lol :-p |
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| 02:51.24 | abrotman | Bry2k200: look above .. there's nothing else? |
| 02:51.28 | itchi | Bry2k200: Paste the error on an pastebin or so? |
| 02:51.43 | itchi | Bry2k200: And paste the link here?? |
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| 02:52.24 | FrankRizz0 | debian:~# apt-get install gftp |
| 02:52.24 | FrankRizz0 | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correctthe problem. |
| 02:52.24 | FrankRizz0 | debian:~# dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:52.24 | FrankRizz0 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-panel-data: |
| 02:52.24 | FrankRizz0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:52.31 | Bry2k200 | there ya go |
| 02:52.37 | abrotman | dude |
| 02:52.53 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 02:52.53 | dpkg_ | hmm... fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | bad |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | dselect .. wtf |
| 02:53.11 | jetscreamer | good |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 02:53.50 | jetscreamer | one day, you may run across a dependency problem that nothing else will fix |
| 02:54.07 | jetscreamer | but dselect will in those cases, sometimes |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 02:54.12 | jetscreamer | true fact |
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| 02:54.24 | abrotman | i haven't used dselect since .. potato i think |
| 02:54.24 | Bry2k200 | so i should type apt-get -f install |
| 02:54.25 | Bry2k200 | ?? |
| 02:54.28 | jetscreamer | and i just put the sometimes in for safety |
| 02:54.32 | jetscreamer | yeah try that |
| 02:54.35 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 02:55.13 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i have it scripted anyway, just type two letters and it does that factoid... :) |
| 02:55.29 | abrotman | weirdo |
| 02:55.37 | jetscreamer | yeah, but it works |
| 02:56.06 | jetscreamer | women like weird.. see also kinky ... |
| 02:56.12 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 02:58.26 | FrankRizz0 | dpkg: error processing gdm (--configure): |
| 02:58.26 | FrankRizz0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.43 | FrankRizz0 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:58.43 | FrankRizz0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:59.24 | FrankRizz0 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:59.35 | Bry2k200 | so am i fucked still? |
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| 03:00.11 | abrotman | stop pasting in the damn channel |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | use #flood or pastebin.ca |
| 03:00.31 | njkt | abrotman, he's gone... |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | no .. frankrizz0 is Bry2k200 |
| 03:00.42 | Bry2k200 | nope |
| 03:00.46 | njkt | ooh |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | just from the other machine |
| 03:00.55 | njkt | ok... well ignore me then heh |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | or some other nick |
| 03:01.16 | njkt | but quick, non-debian related question... what's with the "/msg bots NOT people" message on the topic |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | njkt: most of the regulars prefer to not be messaged .. but it would be nice if you would msg the bots instead of !blah and !that in the channel |
| 03:02.07 | ApEtc | njkt: If you need to ask the bot something, do it in a PM. If you need to talk about Debian, do it in the channel where everyone can see and help. Never PM a person unless explicitly told to. |
| 03:02.16 | ApEtc | abrotman: jinx! |
| 03:02.18 | abrotman | unless you ask permission first |
| 03:02.39 | njkt | ah, i see |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | but realize that if you're working on a debian problem .. they'll probably tell you to keep it in the channel so others can catch up |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | if they really are a regular |
| 03:02.56 | trygg | How do i run .unx? |
| 03:03.01 | abrotman | ApEtc: yeah .. you owe me .. a beer? |
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| 03:03.28 | Bry2k200 | can someone help me out? |
| 03:03.45 | ph00 | [Steve Urkel's voice] I'm baaaack! |
| 03:04.04 | ApEtc | abrotman: If you're ever in my part of town, I'm sure it won't be a problem. :) |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | Bry2k200: you haven't given us anything to help you with |
| 03:04.16 | abrotman | ApEtc: uh .. las vegas? |
| 03:04.20 | ApEtc | Phoenix |
| 03:04.28 | Bry2k200 | [9:58pm] <FrankRizz0> dpkg: error processing gdm (--configure): |
| 03:04.30 | abrotman | jeez .. you're all in phoenix! |
| 03:04.34 | Bry2k200 | [9:58pm] <FrankRizz0> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139 |
| 03:04.38 | abrotman | Bry2k200: that's not a useful error |
| 03:04.42 | Bry2k200 | [9:58pm] <FrankRizz0> Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:04.43 | abrotman | AND STOP PASTING |
| 03:04.47 | ph00 | I had to switch back to sarge, *nothing* was working on etch, but I'll install etch in enother partition and keep playing with it |
| 03:04.57 | Bry2k200 | omg d00d yer impossible |
| 03:05.10 | njkt | ph00, what wasn't working in etch? |
| 03:05.10 | abrotman | dude .. you're getting windows |
| 03:05.21 | jetscreamer | remember |
| 03:05.31 | jetscreamer | !tell Bry2k200 -about paste |
| 03:05.45 | ph00 | njkt, every time I tried to install somethiing it tried to remove half the software I had |
| 03:05.52 | jetscreamer | !tell Bry2k200 -about ask |
| 03:06.00 | Bry2k200 | ok that was my error at the end of the installation, what exactly would you like me to tel you? |
| 03:06.00 | ph00 | ok, not *every* time, but closely so |
| 03:06.01 | jetscreamer | ph00: let it |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | paste the whole thing in a pastebin .. NOT IN THE CHANNEL |
| 03:06.20 | pstickne | ph00, it does that when you use testing |
| 03:06.33 | Bry2k200 | wtf is pastebin |
| 03:06.34 | pstickne | ph00, best thing is to get it all mostly talking and then use dselect |
| 03:06.34 | jetscreamer | just don't do the upgrade when it wants to do that |
| 03:06.36 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:06.36 | dpkg_ | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 03:07.00 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 03:07.00 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 03:07.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:07.02 | ph00 | jet: I'll do that when I have a testing install... that's what "testing" is about after all. the main desktop must be usable in the first place. I'll re install etch on another partition |
| 03:07.16 | pstickne | ph00, you'll have to do some big drops to pull up X11RC7.1, new gcc, etc... but then you'll be okay. Just use dselect :) |
| 03:07.33 | jetscreamer | ph00: it does work... and i run sid, too. all i know. |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's probably an error with one of the packages .. because he's running sid when he shouldn't be |
| 03:07.51 | jetscreamer | sid or etch |
| 03:07.53 | pstickne | ph00, testing/sarge-backports with both try to reinstall huge chunks. and remove many things if they don't "appear to be used" |
| 03:08.07 | pstickne | ph00, I use dselect now and have little problems |
| 03:08.20 | jetscreamer | lol@abrotman |
| 03:08.20 | ph00 | I'll do theat on the testing install. first I had to set up a no-proble-always-working main desktop, but I left some free space for another install so I can keep tenring |
| 03:08.40 | Bry2k200 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3427 |
| 03:09.03 | abrotman | wow .. look at that .. REAL ERRORS |
| 03:09.14 | ph00 | dselect. OK I'll try to remember that |
| 03:09.33 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: looks like that scrollkeeper is doing the segfaulting |
| 03:09.47 | Bry2k200 | what does that mean? |
| 03:10.00 | pstickne | ph00, it's not as easy as aptitude or synaptic but *shrug* it lets me do what I want without getting stuck in silly loops. |
| 03:10.15 | ph00 | we're on this world to learn stuff... |
| 03:10.29 | Bry2k200 | abrotman; try to act like an adult |
| 03:10.35 | ph00 | (I heard someone sayng that, I thought it was to have fun...) |
| 03:10.41 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: if it was me, i'd cd /var/apt/cache/archives and dpkg -i --force-all that scrollkeeper package which is probably being updated also... or just put a hold on gdm for now and that other one |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | Bry2k200: try to act like you know what you're doing :) |
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| 03:11.01 | abrotman | problem being he's runnig sarge .. that shouldn't be happening |
| 03:11.06 | abrotman | though .. segfault is bad |
| 03:11.14 | jetscreamer | i think he's upgrading to etch |
| 03:11.16 | Bry2k200 | abrotman; i am here because i don't, or have you not figured that out yet? |
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| 03:11.29 | abrotman | oh .. i figured it out :) |
| 03:11.30 | Bry2k200 | jetscreamer; ya i upgraded |
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| 03:11.37 | jetscreamer | i missed that part |
| 03:11.43 | Bry2k200 | good then instead of insulting me, try helping |
| 03:11.45 | abrotman | so why is it installing sarge's gdm ? |
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| 03:12.06 | sanmarcos | abrotman abrotman, he is none other than abrotman! |
| 03:12.14 | abrotman | sanmarcos: go to bed |
| 03:12.15 | jetscreamer | !info gdm etch |
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| 03:12.19 | dpkg_ | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 3668 kB, Installed size: 10352 kB |
| 03:12.26 | sanmarcos | abrotman, I need to do my homework! |
| 03:12.34 | jetscreamer | !info gdm sarge |
| 03:12.36 | dpkg_ | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.8-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3070 kB, Installed size: 8492 kB |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | sanmarcos: not getting much done here :) |
| 03:12.49 | unseensoul | there isn't a precompiled ndiswrapper linux kernel module package in testing? |
| 03:12.58 | kevinv | Hello, I am running a Debian router box, and ever since I upgraded the dhcp-client package, I have been having trouble with my connection. |
| 03:13.09 | sanmarcos | abrotman, yes.. I have problems, that is why I come here to answer others people's concerns. So I can ignore my problems |
| 03:13.17 | jetscreamer | his scrollkeeper is probably the sarge version also |
| 03:13.18 | deadcat | has the xorg with aiglx in experimental moved to unstable yet? |
| 03:13.21 | abrotman | sanmarcos: eh .. good plan :) |
| 03:13.24 | kevinv | If I connect to my debian testing box directly, I don't have any problems at all. |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | deadcat: i don't think it's in exp quite yet |
| 03:13.40 | kevinv | My debian router is sarge. |
| 03:13.49 | abrotman | deadcat: and i think you know how to use packages.debian.org :) |
| 03:13.54 | deadcat | abrotman: oh.. gravity said he uploaded. according to his blog |
| 03:14.01 | abrotman | deadcat: no . said he was preparing |
| 03:14.05 | deadcat | ah |
| 03:14.06 | jetscreamer | yeah i saw the new xorg in sid |
| 03:14.14 | jetscreamer | tonight an hour ago |
| 03:14.21 | kevinv | The DSA says it was only the dhcp server not the client which had 'programming errors'. |
| 03:14.37 | jetscreamer | well if nobody else wants to take ashot at it |
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| 03:14.49 | abrotman | deadcat: oh wait .. i think i see it |
| 03:14.54 | unseensoul | there isn't a precompiled ndiswrapper linux kernel module package in testing? |
| 03:14.58 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: do apt-get clean, then do the fix-unmet factoid |
| 03:15.01 | abrotman | deadcat: and no .. doesn't seem to be there |
| 03:15.02 | deadcat | abrotman: experimental right? |
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| 03:15.06 | deadcat | ah |
| 03:15.08 | deadcat | thanks |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | deadcat: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=0&exact=0&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=glx&searchon=names |
| 03:15.24 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm stop first |
| 03:15.33 | jetscreamer | will turn off X |
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| 03:16.19 | Bry2k200 | [10:10pm] <jetscreamer> Bry2k200: if it was me, i'd cd /var/apt/cache/archives and dpkg -i --force-all that scrollkeeper package which is probably being updated also... or just put a hold on gdm for now and that other one <----should i go ahead with that? |
| 03:16.36 | Bry2k200 | sorry was scrolling up |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | with which? |
| 03:16.53 | jetscreamer | don't mess with the --force-all |
| 03:17.02 | jetscreamer | try the hold, or the last that i said |
| 03:17.02 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 03:17.06 | Bry2k200 | ya |
| 03:17.19 | abrotman | why is his dist-upgrade installing sarge packages? |
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| 03:17.46 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: did you do apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade |
| 03:17.51 | Festyur | !mp3 |
| 03:17.51 | dpkg_ | i heard mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 03:18.22 | Bry2k200 | shit can't remember d00d........but i'd put my cards on apt-get upgrade |
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| 03:18.55 | Bry2k200 | -su: fix-unmet: command not found |
| 03:19.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: enjoy :) |
| 03:19.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: su - greycat? :) |
| 03:20.05 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:20.13 | jetscreamer | !tell Bry2k200 -about fix-unmet |
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| 03:20.49 | Bry2k200 | is that supposed to get the bot to msg me? |
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| 03:21.40 | jetscreamer | sudo apt-get update && sudo dselect update && sudo dselect --expert select && sudo dselect install && sudo dselect config && sudo dselect remove |
| 03:21.42 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:21.48 | ph00 | OK. Now I have to install sarge on another partition and then upgrade it to etch, so I'll have a stable working desktop *and* a testing install to have fun with. Expect some dumb noob questions tomorrow. |
| 03:21.53 | Bry2k200 | it didn't |
| 03:21.54 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 03:22.04 | ph00 | [vioce of Ah-nold] I'll be back! |
| 03:22.23 | jetscreamer | just hit enter when you see that menu of choices |
| 03:22.24 | njkt | err... or netinstall etch instead |
| 03:22.43 | jetscreamer | yeah that would probably be quicker, from the way this is looking |
| 03:22.56 | njkt | thats what i did, worked rather well |
| 03:23.34 | Bry2k200 | jetscreamer; you got any ideas for me? |
| 03:23.48 | jetscreamer | what i just pasted |
| 03:23.55 | jetscreamer | or netinstall etch |
| 03:23.59 | Bry2k200 | thought that was for me |
| 03:24.02 | Bry2k200 | sorry |
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| 03:24.15 | jetscreamer | the sudo things |
| 03:24.17 | Bry2k200 | just gonna re-paste that |
| 03:24.20 | Bry2k200 | ya |
| 03:24.27 | Bry2k200 | sudo apt-get update && sudo dselect update && sudo dselect --expert select && sudo dselect install && sudo dselect config && sudo dselect remove |
| 03:24.33 | jetscreamer | and just hit enter when you see the package list |
| 03:24.38 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 03:25.09 | jetscreamer | oh hey Bry2k200 |
| 03:25.15 | jetscreamer | do apt-get clean first |
| 03:25.29 | Bry2k200 | did |
| 03:25.34 | Bry2k200 | before |
| 03:25.44 | Bry2k200 | didn't do anything new |
| 03:25.45 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 03:26.00 | jetscreamer | all it does is clean out the d/l'd .debs |
| 03:26.54 | Bry2k200 | will i be back on sarge? |
| 03:26.57 | jetscreamer | did you ever try apt-get -f install ? that should have been the first thing you tried |
| 03:26.59 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:27.06 | jetscreamer | you can never go back :) |
| 03:27.08 | Bry2k200 | ya i did that |
| 03:27.10 | Bry2k200 | lol |
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| 03:27.33 | Bry2k200 | so basically i can never run superkaramba? |
| 03:27.34 | jnoon | hey guys... libc6-xen is in testing, i dont want to install anything from testing except this... anyone know how to do that in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 03:27.49 | abrotman | man apt_preferences |
| 03:28.02 | jetscreamer | you might have needed to do apt-get -f install before you went trying to upgrade to etch.. not sure but maybe that's why you're having problems now |
| 03:28.27 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: yeah you can once you get etch going |
| 03:28.43 | Bry2k200 | you just said i can never run etch didn't ya? |
| 03:28.53 | jetscreamer | no i said you can never go back to sarge |
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| 03:28.57 | Bry2k200 | oh |
| 03:28.57 | jetscreamer | w/o reinstalling |
| 03:28.58 | Bry2k200 | nvm |
| 03:29.01 | Bry2k200 | my mistake |
| 03:29.02 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 03:29.22 | jetscreamer | if all this doesn't work, get you an etch netinstaller and just install etch |
| 03:29.28 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 03:29.40 | Bry2k200 | d00d i really appreciate yer help |
| 03:29.43 | Bry2k200 | thanks very much] |
| 03:29.56 | jetscreamer | did you do that dselect thing? |
| 03:30.00 | jetscreamer | did it bork? |
| 03:30.03 | Bry2k200 | dselect? |
| 03:30.07 | Bry2k200 | still going |
| 03:30.15 | jetscreamer | what's it doing |
| 03:30.28 | Bry2k200 | looks like it's installing etch |
| 03:30.44 | jetscreamer | if it's downloading packages, that means it may work |
| 03:30.54 | jetscreamer | but it's not certain till it tries to install |
| 03:30.55 | Bry2k200 | ya, it's downloading |
| 03:31.38 | Bry2k200 | lets say i have to format for some reason, will that command always work to install etch? |
| 03:32.11 | trygg | Hm, where can i find a list of all packages in apt, lets say i would like to look at the games? |
| 03:32.11 | jetscreamer | no that's just to fix package dependency problems.. i use it every time though |
| 03:32.36 | jetscreamer | aptitude maybe trygg |
| 03:32.42 | jetscreamer | or some package manager |
| 03:32.55 | Bry2k200 | will synaptic work? |
| 03:33.07 | jetscreamer | try synaptic after |
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| 03:33.12 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 03:33.15 | jetscreamer | you'll have a new version |
| 03:33.18 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 03:33.23 | jetscreamer | it worked the few times i used it |
| 03:33.26 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 03:33.37 | Bry2k200 | it worked to install etch? |
| 03:34.04 | jetscreamer | oh no i always install on a clean box |
| 03:34.11 | jetscreamer | with a netinstall cd |
| 03:34.31 | Bry2k200 | ya i used the netinstall cd the first time, wasn't so successful |
| 03:34.33 | jetscreamer | it is supposed to do an upgrade like that, but i never tried |
| 03:34.39 | Bry2k200 | dunno what i did wrong though |
| 03:34.45 | Bry2k200 | prolly something very small |
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| 03:35.29 | Bry2k200 | don't remember seeing the option though for etch |
| 03:35.42 | Bry2k200 | or sarge |
| 03:35.50 | jetscreamer | testing or stable |
| 03:35.52 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 03:35.54 | Bry2k200 | stable |
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| 03:36.44 | jetscreamer | it doesn't come out and say etch/sarge/sid it says stable/testing/unstable is what i mean |
| 03:36.55 | d0s4gw | can anyone suggest a link with instructions on how to install gnome using apt on a fresh sarge install? |
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| 03:37.22 | Bry2k200 | d0s4gw; it's the default |
| 03:37.25 | jetscreamer | there should be a gnome metapackage, but that would be bloated |
| 03:37.35 | d0s4gw | i mean, i don't even have xwindows installed |
| 03:37.37 | Bry2k200 | is gnome not the default? |
| 03:37.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome should get the job done, but bloat |
| 03:37.41 | d0s4gw | it's just the console |
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| 03:37.59 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome-core x-window-system |
| 03:38.07 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gnome |
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| 03:38.10 | jetscreamer | then pick |
| 03:38.53 | d0s4gw | ok, i just ran the first one you suggested, downloading packages now... |
| 03:39.19 | d0s4gw | will it automatically launch the configuration or will i need to enter a command to get that going? |
| 03:39.23 | jetscreamer | you might want to hit ctrl c and add x-window-system to that |
| 03:39.31 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
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| 03:39.41 | jetscreamer | just hit the up arrow |
| 03:39.48 | d0s4gw | apt-get install gnome-core x-window-system |
| 03:39.54 | d0s4gw | that's what i did |
| 03:39.59 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 03:40.17 | jetscreamer | gnome-core will give you a smaller subset of gnome |
| 03:40.28 | jetscreamer | i don't know exactly which |
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| 03:40.34 | jetscreamer | !info gnome-core sarge |
| 03:40.37 | dpkg_ | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sarge), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
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| 03:40.45 | jetscreamer | !depends gnome-core sarge |
| 03:40.47 | dpkg_ | gnome-core: depends on bug-buddy (>= 2.8.0), eog (>= 2.8.2), gedit (>= 2.8.2), gnome-applets (>= 2.8.2), gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.8.1), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.8.0), gnome-panel (>= 2.8.2), gnome-session (>= 2.8.1), gnome-terminal (>= 2.8.2), metacity (>= 1:2.8.8) | sawfish, nautilus (>= 2.8.2), scrollkeeper, yelp (>= 2.6.5) |
| 03:41.00 | d0s4gw | wow, 16k? |
| 03:41.06 | jetscreamer | you might want gnome-desktop |
| 03:41.10 | d0s4gw | that can't be all i'll need then |
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| 03:41.16 | jetscreamer | it's just a metapackage, it pulls in other packages |
| 03:41.20 | jetscreamer | that's all it does |
| 03:41.31 | d0s4gw | i gotcha |
| 03:41.40 | jetscreamer | the big fat bloated pig metapackage is gnome |
| 03:41.47 | liable | heh |
| 03:41.52 | sanmarcos | guarani puta pario |
| 03:41.55 | jetscreamer | then there's gnome-core, gnome-desktop, gnome-blah |
| 03:42.01 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer, kde is worst |
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| 03:42.30 | DocOC | hey, my mom is named KDE! |
| 03:42.31 | jetscreamer | same for kde though.. the big metapackages pull in smaller metapackages, who pull in.... etc etc |
| 03:42.43 | sanmarcos | indeed, mustard and codeine |
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| 03:44.56 | d0s4gw | hmm, ok it completed but never took me to any configuration |
| 03:45.10 | d0s4gw | is there some sort of xconf command? |
| 03:45.23 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 03:45.23 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 03:46.28 | displaced | i've got a question |
| 03:46.33 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 03:46.33 | dpkg_ | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:47.26 | joejaxx | hmm interesting |
| 03:47.40 | displaced | ok, question, i'm running debian and i've got dansguardian and squid set up. my previous setup would allow me to turn ip addresses on and off using iptables. this one won't |
| 03:47.45 | displaced | how do i correct this |
| 03:48.30 | displaced | i was thinking about setting up a custom chain that would run the rules in the table then forward it to the dansguardian proxy server. not sure how to do this since it would depend on a redirect |
| 03:49.06 | displaced | and setting up a custom chain doesn't allow for redirect |
| 03:49.17 | joejaxx | i have a question about debian |
| 03:49.18 | displaced | ideas? |
| 03:49.28 | Vasistha | joejaxx: just ask it |
| 03:50.02 | joejaxx | are the packages up to date as ubuntu's are? i am develop fluxbuntu and i was looking at debian |
| 03:50.14 | joejaxx | since it is practically the source |
| 03:51.11 | joejaxx | i was just wondering how often are packages updated in the repository |
| 03:51.15 | displaced | which version? stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 03:51.52 | joejaxx | hmm well for fluxbuntu i whould probably belooking at stabe |
| 03:51.54 | joejaxx | stable |
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| 03:52.08 | joejaxx | wow nice username ^^ dpkg |
| 03:52.08 | displaced | the answer would be no then |
| 03:52.10 | liable | who killed dpkg |
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| 03:52.14 | joejaxx | displaced: :-\ |
| 03:52.29 | displaced | the closest to ubuntu would be unstable |
| 03:52.55 | joejaxx | oh alright |
| 03:52.56 | displaced | very current, but like it says, unstable |
| 03:53.02 | joejaxx | i see |
| 03:53.06 | joejaxx | ok thanks |
| 03:53.17 | displaced | it works great i use it all the time, but be careful with it |
| 03:53.42 | Bry2k200 | jetscreamer; i got some errors m8 |
| 03:53.48 | jetscreamer | paste |
| 03:53.58 | Bry2k200 | shit |
| 03:54.00 | cabaire | displaced: did you read http://www.savs.hcc.edu.tw/~chuavv/articles/dansguardian-en.html? |
| 03:54.03 | displaced | so has anyone any ideas? |
| 03:54.03 | Bry2k200 | i hit enter accidentally |
| 03:54.04 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 03:54.17 | Bry2k200 | ok it stopped |
| 03:54.20 | Bry2k200 | i paste |
| 03:54.24 | jetscreamer | wiat |
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| 03:54.28 | jetscreamer | run it again |
| 03:54.33 | displaced | i'm checking it out cabaire |
| 03:54.36 | displaced | thanks |
| 03:54.38 | jetscreamer | sometimes it helps |
| 03:54.53 | jetscreamer | then paste any errors |
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| 03:55.02 | jetscreamer | (in a paster) |
| 03:55.11 | displaced | got that part working |
| 03:55.15 | FrankRizz0 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3428 |
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| 03:55.35 | d0s4gw | sweet, thx for the help jetscreamer. I got gnome up. |
| 03:55.43 | Bry2k200 | i gotta paste some more i think |
| 03:55.45 | Bry2k200 | i scroll up |
| 03:55.47 | displaced | cabaire, it does proxy. the problem is that it bypasses the iptables rules |
| 03:56.07 | displaced | i want it to run the rules then jump to dansguardian |
| 03:56.17 | zebalin4 | If your whole HD is one partition for WinXP, will Debian installer shrink the partition and create a new one to install linux on? Or do you get an error msg. |
| 03:56.46 | FrankRizz0 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3429 |
| 03:57.11 | displaced | dual booting xp with debian? |
| 03:57.14 | zebalin4 | yes |
| 03:57.16 | d0s4gw | i don't suppose anyone feels like helping me get video drivers installed so i can bump up my resolution... |
| 03:57.24 | displaced | never tried it, easier to get a removable hard drive |
| 03:57.37 | displaced | i've go ttowo of those |
| 03:57.44 | d0s4gw | ati radeon |
| 03:57.47 | njkt | d0s4gw, depending on your video card it's likely there's a package for it already |
| 03:57.51 | zebalin4 | Isn't the default install of xp the entire drive? |
| 03:58.14 | displaced | yup, except for normally like 4-8 megs at the end |
| 03:58.19 | Bry2k200 | you can just add the resolution no? |
| 03:58.28 | displaced | depends on the size of the drive to start with |
| 03:58.32 | displaced | no |
| 03:58.33 | Bry2k200 | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf - HW |
| 03:58.35 | zebalin4 | so how do distros like Debian and Suse install a dual boot? |
| 03:58.44 | Bry2k200 | can't you add the resolution there? |
| 03:59.18 | d0s4gw | Bry2k200: are you asking me? |
| 03:59.32 | Bry2k200 | asking anyone |
| 03:59.38 | Bry2k200 | cause that's my next step |
| 03:59.38 | displaced | i would say if i was going to dula boot xp with debian i would install on a smaller partition than the whole drive, you can do that if you set it up in the install |
| 03:59.39 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 03:59.48 | displaced | dual |
| 03:59.59 | d0s4gw | I would think that the drivers would be necessary to get it done properly. |
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| 04:00.16 | displaced | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and add the resolution in the setup |
| 04:00.55 | displaced | d0s4gw try the same command and enable buffer in the setup |
| 04:00.58 | pavan | hi everyone |
| 04:01.08 | displaced | that should get the driver installed correctly |
| 04:01.09 | pavan | I need help with apache2 |
| 04:01.16 | sanmarcos | pavan, you dont say hi in irc |
| 04:01.26 | pavan | sorry |
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| 04:01.48 | njkt | sanmarcos, you do if you actually want to greet people ;-) |
| 04:01.48 | displaced | debian has a crazy setup for apache2. does anyone know how to do this correctly |
| 04:01.50 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: jsut run it again |
| 04:01.59 | sanmarcos | !apache2 |
| 04:01.59 | dpkg_ | somebody said apache2 was a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
| 04:02.05 | jetscreamer | it wasn't a real error just a couldn't d/l a package error |
| 04:02.14 | Bry2k200 | k |
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| 04:02.37 | pavan | sanmarcos, do u have time to help me with apache? |
| 04:02.52 | sanmarcos | pavan, nope |
| 04:03.03 | jetscreamer | !fglrx |
| 04:03.03 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 04:03.13 | sanmarcos | #apache anyways pavan and ask dpkg about "smart questions" |
| 04:03.16 | jetscreamer | aka ati driver |
| 04:03.26 | Bry2k200 | hrmm |
| 04:03.32 | Bry2k200 | just kicked me out of X |
| 04:03.35 | pavan | thank you |
| 04:03.59 | displaced | so can anyone help with this crazy setup i'm working on? |
| 04:04.10 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: it's a whole new X |
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| 04:04.16 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 04:04.21 | Bry2k200 | i restarted |
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| 04:04.35 | jetscreamer | displaced: #apache maybe |
| 04:04.35 | displaced | he's used to windows |
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| 04:05.14 | displaced | not apache issue jetscreamer, i'm working iptables,squid and dansguardian |
| 04:05.19 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 04:05.23 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:05.37 | dylan_ | Will I be able to run Debian without problems on a new MacBook I may have just purchased? |
| 04:05.49 | displaced | i've got this thing doing the proxy setup and the rules in dansguardian work |
| 04:05.58 | Bry2k200 | omg |
| 04:06.02 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:06.04 | Bry2k200 | wait |
| 04:06.05 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 04:06.06 | m1ke_l | hi....mplayer wont compile with x11 support cuase mplayer cant find X11 |
| 04:06.07 | displaced | but i want to be able to control access times with iptables |
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| 04:06.12 | m1ke_l | any thoughts on this? |
| 04:06.27 | jetscreamer | #mplayer or #xorg maybe |
| 04:06.42 | Bry2k200 | hrmm |
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| 04:06.45 | Bry2k200 | looks the same now |
| 04:06.55 | Bry2k200 | booted into gnome |
| 04:07.00 | liable | m1ke_l: you have the x -dev packages installed? |
| 04:07.01 | Bry2k200 | i restarted me system |
| 04:07.06 | Bry2k200 | now back to kde |
| 04:07.07 | m1ke_l | ill check |
| 04:07.08 | Bry2k200 | looks the same |
| 04:07.13 | jetscreamer | do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:07.19 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 04:07.24 | liable | m1ke_l: if you have xorg, just get xorg-dev |
| 04:07.25 | jetscreamer | should do nothing, theoretically |
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| 04:07.50 | m1ke_l | yes...xorg-xserver-dev installed |
| 04:08.03 | jetscreamer | xserver-xorg-dev |
| 04:08.06 | liable | m1ke_l: no, xorg-dev |
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| 04:08.19 | Bry2k200 | fuck |
| 04:08.20 | jetscreamer | but what liable says |
| 04:08.34 | m1ke_l | xorg-dev installs tons of stuff! |
| 04:08.39 | displaced | so no one has any ideas? |
| 04:08.56 | Bry2k200 | •eleftherios• dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct |
| 04:09.01 | Bry2k200 | wwops |
| 04:09.02 | jetscreamer | type that |
| 04:09.04 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 04:09.04 | dpkg_ | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen starving dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 04:09.05 | Bry2k200 | err, woops |
| 04:09.12 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 04:09.16 | Bry2k200 | Error: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct |
| 04:09.24 | jetscreamer | type that Bry2k200 |
| 04:09.26 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 04:09.37 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 04:09.57 | jetscreamer | from a console not an xterm |
| 04:10.03 | Bry2k200 | omfg |
| 04:10.07 | Bry2k200 | same error as last time |
| 04:10.20 | d0s4gw | jetscreamer: to get the fglrx packages, do I need an unstable entry in my sources.list? |
| 04:10.20 | jetscreamer | which one |
| 04:10.36 | jetscreamer | d0s4gw: i don't know i use nvidia |
| 04:10.40 | d0s4gw | :( |
| 04:10.50 | jetscreamer | d0s4gw: i don't think so |
| 04:10.56 | liable | !info fglrx-driver sarge |
| 04:11.01 | njkt | d0s4gw, you could check the debian package website and search there |
| 04:11.20 | njkt | err... or use the bot, whatever heh |
| 04:11.23 | Bry2k200 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3430 |
| 04:11.24 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: the one about the kde games one? |
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| 04:11.34 | d0s4gw | Yea, I found one that seems to indicate it is unstable... I'll just try it |
| 04:11.47 | m1ke_l | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.58 | liable | d0s4gw: just use the ati installer.. it can make debs for you |
| 04:12.00 | jetscreamer | !info scrollkeeper etch |
| 04:12.02 | pstickne | d0s4gw, to get fglrx you need to visit ATI.com :) |
| 04:12.07 | dpkg_ | scrollkeeper: (A free electronic cataloging system for documentation), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.3.14-11 (etch), Packaged size: 151 kB, Installed size: 1331 kB |
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| 04:12.34 | pstickne | d0s4gw, you'll need the kernel headers installed and you'll need to make sure your current kernel is compiled with the same version of gcc as you have currently installed |
| 04:13.03 | pstickne | d0s4gw, you'll also need a link from /usr/src/include as appropriate. that's all that is coming to mind :) |
| 04:13.27 | d0s4gw | this seems like a lot of work to get a video driver installed. maybe 1024x768 is good enough |
| 04:13.30 | pstickne | d0s4gw, oh, you'll also need to get the libGL from 8.24.x, as 8.27.x is broken. |
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| 04:13.46 | liable | pstickne: works for me |
| 04:13.47 | pstickne | d0s4gw, but that's just if you want to use OpenGL |
| 04:14.00 | jetscreamer | Bry2k200: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/scroll* |
| 04:14.04 | pstickne | liable, glxinfo shows direct rendering? |
| 04:14.29 | liable | pstickne: yes, but i had to symlink (i used the default installer, didnt make debs) |
| 04:14.44 | displaced | where do i find someone who's actually doing it? |
| 04:14.50 | displaced | IT |
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| 04:14.57 | pstickne | liable, I did the installer too, both times it failed to do direct rendering. where are those libGLs at? |
| 04:15.04 | FrankRizz0 | /var/cache/apt/archives/scrollkeeper_0.3.14-11_i386.deb |
| 04:15.18 | displaced | is anyone here using dansguardian |
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| 04:15.25 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/scrollkeeper_0.3.14-11_i386.deb |
| 04:15.32 | pstickne | displaced, not for a long time :p |
| 04:16.01 | liable | pstickne: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so |
| 04:16.18 | displaced | lol |
| 04:16.22 | liable | pstickne: thats the link i had to make for it to work |
| 04:16.43 | pstickne | liable, neet. |
| 04:17.11 | displaced | pstickne is was talking about doing IT not anything else |
| 04:17.14 | FrankRizz0 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3431 |
| 04:17.22 | Bry2k200 | ugh....more errors |
| 04:17.25 | liable | pstickne: but i have xgl on that box, and i cant remember if it was because of that, that i had to do it :/ |
| 04:17.27 | displaced | i was talking about it |
| 04:17.32 | displaced | sorry |
| 04:17.35 | jetscreamer | FrankRizz0: dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/scrollkeeper_0.3.14-11_i386.deb |
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| 04:18.25 | Bry2k200 | oh shit that worked |
| 04:18.26 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 04:18.49 | pstickne | displaced, oh yeah, I love to do IT |
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| 04:19.06 | iohasdf | has anyone here debianized psybnc? |
| 04:19.41 | displaced | this gets better by the minute |
| 04:19.49 | displaced | lol |
| 04:20.54 | taylor | Can qemu install unstable on a virtual filesystem under stable? |
| 04:21.43 | liable | sure, no reason why not |
| 04:21.44 | d0s4gw | is linux-headers-2.6* the same as kernel-headers-2.4, but for 2.6? |
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| 04:22.25 | liable | d0s4gw: post sarge, its linux-foo, sarge and pre are kernel-foo |
| 04:22.37 | d0s4gw | thx |
| 04:23.59 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:24.18 | jetscreamer | or kernel instead of linux |
| 04:24.26 | jetscreamer | ` not ' |
| 04:25.19 | d0s4gw | doesn't have 2/6/8-2-386 |
| 04:25.26 | d0s4gw | umm, - instead of / |
| 04:25.38 | d0s4gw | bah, i mean . |
| 04:26.00 | d0s4gw | maybe it's time to just give up and go to bed |
| 04:26.45 | liable | d0s4gw: if you think it might, then you prolly should have two hours ago :) |
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| 04:27.39 | displaced | is there anyone awake that uses dansguardian? |
| 04:27.43 | d0s4gw | :( the last thing i need is a reminder that i need to be at work in 7.5 hours |
| 04:27.56 | njkt | my motto is, if i haven't fallen on the keyboard yet.. i'm not that tired :-) |
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| 04:30.46 | kike- | hello everybody |
| 04:31.36 | pavan | go ahead kike |
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| 04:33.18 | taylor | What's the best way to run, on stable, an application that's only avalable in unstable, and which has not been back ported? |
| 04:34.10 | taylor | qemu? xen? chroot? |
| 04:34.13 | Nurbs | often by backporting it :) |
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| 04:35.32 | liable | taylor: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 04:36.21 | liable | !hi |
| 04:36.21 | dpkg_ | hello, liable |
| 04:36.34 | taylor | Nurbs: Is it possible that one could invest a lot of time into the backport, only to find that the soiurce relies on features only available in unstable, like libraries, for example? |
| 04:36.37 | liable | hrm, /msg prolly wont work |
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| 04:36.57 | syberdave | is there a command to watch a fifo? |
| 04:36.59 | liable | !simple sid backport |
| 04:37.00 | dpkg_ | it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 04:37.06 | Nurbs | taylor: that shouldn't be too hard to check most of the time |
| 04:37.10 | syberdave | well, print all the data that goes to it to stdout |
| 04:38.31 | taylor | liable & Nurbs: Thanks. |
| 04:38.38 | kike- | k |
| 04:38.47 | Nurbs | taylor: what package is it? |
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| 04:39.45 | taylor | Nurbs: Thanks for asking. It's sharpmusic. |
| 04:40.18 | Alazarith | anyone here know what a XIO fatal error is on the startup of X11? via startx |
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| 04:41.04 | Nurbs | taylor: uh. that's not in debian at all, is it? |
| 04:42.11 | taylor | Nurbs: Not that I know of, but it's evidently in alterate repositories and has been requested for packaging. |
| 04:42.41 | Nurbs | taylor: ok. :) |
| 04:42.43 | pstickne | Alazarith, no more error message? |
| 04:42.51 | pstickne | Alazarith, like something about no core pointer found? |
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| 04:46.22 | Alazarith | pstickne, no nothing about a core pointer, had connection by peer or something |
| 04:46.59 | pstickne | Alazarith, paste your log up somewhere (pastie.caboo.se) |
| 04:48.25 | Alazarith | pstickne, sorry for being a nublet, but how do you log that stuff when you cant select it to copy it |
| 04:49.05 | displaced | Alazarith have you got a desktop on the machine? |
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| 04:49.50 | Alazarith | displaced, no |
| 04:49.59 | basilcrow | hey everyone |
| 04:50.07 | Alazarith | displaced, its just the cl |
| 04:50.08 | displaced | hmmm, can you reach it from another machine? |
| 04:50.33 | basilcrow | anyone got a minute or two to help me set up NFS for the first time? |
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| 04:50.42 | Alazarith | I probably could but that would be an educataional experience that I am not currently up for |
| 04:50.45 | basilcrow | i have it all working as root, just need to understand how to use the share as a normal user. |
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| 04:52.36 | displaced | Alaz |
| 04:52.39 | Alazarith | yo |
| 04:52.52 | displaced | can you ssh into the machine from another? |
| 04:52.55 | Alazarith | no |
| 04:52.59 | displaced | hmmm |
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| 04:53.16 | displaced | so it's not finishing the bootup? |
| 04:53.16 | Alazarith | well if I could how would I do it |
| 04:53.30 | Alazarith | no it ends saying something about a XIO fatal error 104 |
| 04:53.30 | displaced | using windows or linux? |
| 04:53.36 | Alazarith | debian |
| 04:53.41 | Alazarith | linux |
| 04:53.44 | displaced | on that machine or another? |
| 04:53.53 | displaced | do you have onlyone or two? |
| 04:54.05 | Alazarith | I'm running ubuntu linux on this one, and the one having problems is deb |
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| 04:54.14 | displaced | if you have two machines, what is the second machine? |
| 04:54.34 | Alazarith | ^ |
| 04:54.42 | displaced | ok. open a command line and type ssh and the ip of the machine |
| 04:54.49 | displaced | it should respond |
| 04:55.35 | Alazarith | alright I connected |
| 04:55.55 | displaced | can you get rsync to load? |
| 04:56.01 | Alazarith | what is that? |
| 04:56.18 | displaced | apt-get rsync. it allows you to copy a file from one machine to another |
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| 04:56.31 | displaced | apt-get install rsync |
| 04:56.43 | displaced | do it on both machines |
| 04:57.04 | MidgetKiller | when I type in "telnet localhost 25" to test the postfix system the system hangs, anyone know what could be causing this? |
| 04:58.55 | Alazarith | displaced, they both have it |
| 04:59.40 | displaced | ok, log into the one having the problem |
| 04:59.54 | Alazarith | done |
| 05:00.01 | MidgetKiller | nm, i'm retarded, it wasn't hanging, it was waiting for me to type in ehlo |
| 05:00.05 | displaced | go to the /var/log/ folder |
| 05:00.07 | MidgetKiller | forgot i had to do that |
| 05:00.15 | displaced | directory |
| 05:00.18 | Alazarith | okay I'm there |
| 05:00.26 | displaced | jeez, been working in windows all day |
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| 05:00.35 | displaced | now which file is it that you want ot copy? |
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| 05:00.38 | displaced | to |
| 05:00.53 | Alazarith | err |
| 05:01.15 | displaced | hang on |
| 05:01.37 | displaced | yeah i know, you are trying to paste the log here |
| 05:01.50 | displaced | and you can't get to the log |
| 05:01.54 | displaced | to copy it |
| 05:02.58 | displaced | are you trying to copy out of kern.log |
| 05:03.11 | taylor | !backports |
| 05:03.11 | dpkg_ | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 05:03.22 | Alazarith | alright I have it now, do you think you could analyze it? |
| 05:03.31 | displaced | let's see it |
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| 05:04.02 | displaced | probably the last few lines should tell you what failed |
| 05:05.16 | ex-parrot | hi everyone.... just wondering if the net install CD image ever gets a kernel update? |
| 05:05.36 | karsten | ex-parrot: SOP is to update your kerenel post-install anyway. |
| 05:05.49 | ex-parrot | I know karsten, but I'm having some trouble installing |
| 05:06.02 | karsten | ex-parrot: What sort of problems? |
| 05:06.15 | ex-parrot | the installer complains it can't find a NIC, despite the e1000 module loading properly as far as I can tell |
| 05:06.33 | ex-parrot | oh funny :) |
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| 05:06.36 | karsten | ex-parrot: e1000 should be well-supported. What kernel version? |
| 05:06.43 | ex-parrot | 2.6.8 |
| 05:06.43 | Alazarith | displaced, I pmed it to you |
| 05:06.47 | ex-parrot | 386 |
| 05:06.48 | displaced | ok |
| 05:06.49 | karsten | ok |
| 05:06.52 | karsten | gotta split. |
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| 05:07.07 | displaced | didn't get it |
| 05:07.15 | ex-parrot | anyone else then? |
| 05:08.49 | ex-parrot | anyone know what I might do to get this install working? |
| 05:09.36 | Alazarith | displaced, I posted the log here: http://pastebin.ca/130777 |
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| 05:10.40 | ex-parrot | also - does the sarge installer have facility for configuring software RAID or will I need to do that by hand? |
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| 05:10.56 | ex-parrot | I can probably answer that one myself. |
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| 05:13.48 | displaced | i'm not sure if sarge will, i know etch will |
| 05:14.32 | displaced | has anyone come online that uses dansguardian |
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| 05:15.21 | displaced | Alazarith, it won't let you private message unless you register |
| 05:15.48 | Alazarith | oh |
| 05:16.28 | Alazarith | displaced, have you gone to http://pastebin.ca/130777 yet? |
| 05:16.57 | displaced | found it |
| 05:17.14 | ex-parrot | ahh... apparently the 82573V chipset in this machine isn't supported by the sarge installer image. |
| 05:18.30 | displaced | you need to run apt-get build-dep xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:18.53 | displaced | half the start up files are depending on ncurses and it's not loaded |
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| 05:19.23 | k-man | whats a good recovery distro? |
| 05:19.26 | huhlig | hey dondelelcaro, you around? |
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| 05:20.12 | displaced | then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it should get you up and running |
| 05:20.31 | displaced | k-man what aer you reconvering? |
| 05:20.33 | displaced | are |
| 05:20.49 | k-man | debian |
| 05:21.01 | k-man | my primary hdd has failed i htink |
| 05:22.07 | displaced | whoops, sounds like it's time for knoppix. it runs straight off the cd. no install |
| 05:22.21 | liable | k-man: knoppix is always a good choice, but sytem rescue cd should be enough for your needs |
| 05:22.32 | k-man | oh |
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| 05:22.40 | k-man | system rescue? |
| 05:22.54 | liable | sysrescuecd.org |
| 05:22.57 | liable | i think.. |
| 05:23.23 | displaced | what errors are you getting? |
| 05:25.32 | huhlig | anyone know where the Linuxworld 2006 wiki is |
| 05:25.52 | displaced | i went to dansguardians webpage and i'm getting an irc channel here. can't find it though |
| 05:26.08 | streuner | !fgi huhlig Linuxworld 2006 wiki |
| 05:26.08 | dpkg_ | huhlig: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=Linuxworld 2006 wiki |
| 05:26.20 | huhlig | umm |
| 05:26.22 | huhlig | wtf? |
| 05:26.25 | huhlig | for debian |
| 05:26.31 | huhlig | idiot |
| 05:26.54 | huhlig | http://wiki.debian.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=2006&titlesearch=Titles |
| 05:27.22 | huhlig | n/m |
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| 05:28.25 | Azar | why won't the ubuntu zealous leave us alone? |
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| 05:29.29 | ex-parrot | Azar, how do you mean "zealous" ? |
| 05:29.55 | displaced | ubuntu, based on debian |
| 05:30.06 | Alazarith | displaced, dpkg-reconfigure says that xserver-xfree86 isnt installed |
| 05:30.09 | Azar | like the macfuribunds... something of that sort |
| 05:30.23 | displaced | apt-get install Alazarith |
| 05:30.38 | Alazarith | got it |
| 05:30.39 | displaced | unless you are using xorg |
| 05:30.54 | displaced | omfg? |
| 05:31.00 | Azar | I read articles "criticizing" Debian by people who advertise ubuntu, it is ridiculous really |
| 05:31.29 | ex-parrot | ubuntu wouldn't exist without debian |
| 05:31.36 | etrask | Debian > Ubuntu |
| 05:31.38 | ex-parrot | that said, I do love ubuntu, |
| 05:31.43 | etrask | this is from a linux newb POV |
| 05:31.46 | displaced | that's funny |
| 05:31.51 | ex-parrot | but you have to appreciate the massive work done on debian to bring ubuntu where it is today |
| 05:32.03 | Azar | ex-parrot: that is not my point, everyone choses his fav os, that does not mean one gotta bash another os |
| 05:32.09 | ex-parrot | exactly Azar |
| 05:32.26 | ex-parrot | and on a completely unrelated note, does anyone know what the algorithm the debian installer uses for making swap partitions automatically is? |
| 05:32.30 | ex-parrot | I mean, how does it guess a suitable size? |
| 05:32.34 | displaced | everyone thinks they can do it better than their parents |
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| 05:33.11 | Azar | ex-parrot: I failed with the sarge installer, I hope the future stable comes out with a better one |
| 05:33.12 | displaced | the normally swap in any operating system is 1.5 ram |
| 05:33.19 | nekostar | mm |
| 05:33.21 | nekostar | stuff |
| 05:33.29 | ex-parrot | okay displaced , that sounds sensible enough |
| 05:34.26 | displaced | that's what they all recommend when doing it manually |
| 05:34.48 | displaced | or atleast that's whjat i've read over the years |
| 05:34.51 | displaced | what |
| 05:35.04 | ex-parrot | I'm trying to be tricky here and using the ubuntu installer CD to install debian sarge |
| 05:35.29 | displaced | good luck? wouldn't it be easier to install it from a net install cd? |
| 05:35.29 | Azar | ew |
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| 05:35.39 | Azar | why such a headache, ex-parrot ? |
| 05:35.44 | ex-parrot | displaced, the net install CD doesn't support my network cards or sata disks |
| 05:35.45 | ex-parrot | go figure. |
| 05:36.01 | Azar | get the cds |
| 05:36.06 | ex-parrot | so it's ubuntu cd -> debootstrap -> chroot apt-get update the kernel and pray |
| 05:36.07 | jetscreamer | you can get away with far less unless you use apps that need it like a renderer (pov) or others |
| 05:36.15 | displaced | really? it did on mine? 4 sata drives in the system |
| 05:36.19 | jetscreamer | i've run my box w/o any swap |
| 05:36.21 | streuner | !tell ex-parrot about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 05:36.32 | ex-parrot | displaced, this chipset is just crummy or something :P |
| 05:36.38 | Azar | needs a higher 2.6 kernel for sata, right jetscreamer ? |
| 05:36.38 | displaced | lol |
| 05:36.46 | displaced | who made it? |
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| 05:36.49 | jetscreamer | that's what i've heard |
| 05:36.51 | ex-parrot | it's a SuperMicro server |
| 05:36.53 | jetscreamer | i don't have sata :( |
| 05:36.57 | Azar | etch comes with it |
| 05:36.58 | ex-parrot | and according to google they're damn hard to get sarge running on |
| 05:37.06 | displaced | it'll work if you tell it linux 26 to install |
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| 05:37.15 | ex-parrot | displaced, no dice. |
| 05:37.17 | jetscreamer | linux26 |
| 05:37.17 | Azar | ex-parrot: go for etch installer |
| 05:37.24 | jetscreamer | beta3 out now |
| 05:37.25 | ex-parrot | Azar, it's for a client who wants sarge. |
| 05:37.39 | jetscreamer | that sarge 2.6.16 factoid works i hear |
| 05:37.45 | displaced | new motherboard? |
| 05:37.47 | Azar | ex-parrot: well it is going to be hard to install sarge on a sata |
| 05:37.52 | Dewi | using silicon image sataraid controllers |
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| 05:37.58 | Azar | lots of workaround with backporting a higher kernel |
| 05:38.01 | streuner | !listkeys 2.6.16 |
| 05:38.03 | dpkg_ | Factoid search of '2.6.16' by key (2): stable 2.6.16 ;; sarge 2.6.16. |
| 05:38.07 | Alazarith | displaced, fatal error no screens found... ugh, I have an nvidia pci graphics card with 128ddr ram, and a 17" LCD monitor, err any ideas? |
| 05:38.09 | ex-parrot | Azar, while they're paying, I will work on it :P |
| 05:38.11 | jetscreamer | si works fine for me, but it's a pata raid |
| 05:38.14 | Azar | streuner, backported? |
| 05:38.19 | displaced | i'm using 2.6.17 |
| 05:38.25 | ex-parrot | I might just ask them if they'd be happy with etch |
| 05:38.33 | jetscreamer | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 05:38.34 | dpkg_ | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 05:38.40 | streuner | Azar: yes, kmuto just did it |
| 05:38.41 | Azar | ex-parrot: I use both, sarge and etch and they run same |
| 05:38.43 | Dewi | ex-parrot: what sataraid chipset? |
| 05:38.46 | jetscreamer | err installer |
| 05:38.53 | Azar | streuner: yay! nice |
| 05:39.00 | jetscreamer | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 05:39.03 | ex-parrot | Dewi, not sure yet, still trying to get networking going |
| 05:39.16 | ex-parrot | ergh stuff this sarge business |
| 05:39.21 | ex-parrot | i'm going for etch |
| 05:39.27 | Azar | ex-parrot: etch is even better its kernels support more newer hardware drivers |
| 05:40.12 | displaced | ok time for bed. see you guys later |
| 05:40.17 | Alazarith | night |
| 05:40.17 | jetscreamer | etch makes a better desktop, imo.. but you have to not blindly dist-upgrade |
| 05:40.18 | Azar | I have 2 PCs running Debian, this one with sarge, the other with etch... smooth and nice |
| 05:40.19 | Alazarith | thanks a lot |
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| 05:41.04 | Azar | and I think etch already gets security upgrades.. |
| 05:41.16 | Dewi | I keep hearing that |
| 05:41.19 | Dewi | but how would I get them? |
| 05:41.20 | ex-parrot | I know etch is called "unstable" but how unstable is it? |
| 05:41.23 | Dewi | I mean... |
| 05:41.27 | Dewi | ex-parrot: no, etch is "testing" |
| 05:41.29 | jetscreamer | sid is unstable |
| 05:41.30 | ex-parrot | in my past experience of running sarge when it was "unstable" I never had problems |
| 05:41.31 | ex-parrot | oh sorry |
| 05:41.42 | Azar | ex-parrot: etch is the testing that will very soon be the newest version stable |
| 05:41.48 | ex-parrot | so how acceptable would you say it is to run "testing" on a production server? |
| 05:41.49 | streuner | ex-parrot: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:41.58 | ex-parrot | cheers streuner I'll check it out |
| 05:42.00 | liable | sarge was never unstable... |
| 05:42.03 | streuner | exparrot: nonsense |
| 05:42.04 | Dewi | ex-parrot: it depends somewhat on the phase of testing... etch is getting reasonably close to release now |
| 05:42.10 | ex-parrot | okay maybe I was thinking of testing liable |
| 05:42.15 | Azar | ex-parrot: the unstable will allways be called "sid" |
| 05:42.19 | streuner | you don't want testing on a production server |
| 05:42.20 | ex-parrot | argh |
| 05:42.28 | lunaphyte | grrrr. why the f would a machine "magically" shutdown at 00:30 on the dot? |
| 05:42.31 | ex-parrot | streuner, in that case production servers need to stop having sata :P |
| 05:42.36 | Azar | streuner: but etch is almost out the door |
| 05:42.55 | Dewi | how does testing security work anyway? does anyone know? I ask because if I do an upgrade in etch, I get every single package update. Is there a way to get security patches without updating to this week's newest software? |
| 05:43.08 | Azar | Dewi: ask dpkg |
| 05:43.12 | streuner | ex-parrot: well, feel free to use backported kernel or custom then |
| 05:43.17 | Dewi | ex-parrot: don't be stupid, I have SATA running on sarge |
| 05:43.22 | ex-parrot | okay true |
| 05:43.26 | Dewi | ex-parrot: you haven't even told us what SATA chipset you are using |
| 05:43.27 | ex-parrot | just extra work that's all |
| 05:43.34 | Dewi | wasn't for me |
| 05:43.35 | jetscreamer | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 05:43.36 | Dewi | it just worked |
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| 05:43.45 | streuner | backports.org has 2.6.16, IIRC |
| 05:43.48 | Dewi | which is more than I can say for windows |
| 05:43.51 | Dewi | which has no SATA support |
| 05:43.53 | ex-parrot | intel 82801gr/ch |
| 05:43.55 | ex-parrot | fwiw |
| 05:44.37 | Azar | sarge can be made to work with sata, but requires a 2.6.16 kernel that is obtained via backports |
| 05:44.43 | ex-parrot | oh |
| 05:44.45 | Dewi | Azar: he's not here. :P I guess dpkg_ is the one I want. |
| 05:44.53 | ex-parrot | that's not so bad. |
| 05:44.58 | ex-parrot | I'm off to try it |
| 05:45.13 | liable | Azar: rubbish, it dpends entirely on whether your chipset is supported |
| 05:45.14 | Dewi | Azar: I honestly don't think I needed to do anything |
| 05:45.19 | Azar | oh? no dpkg tonight? |
| 05:45.22 | Azar | ask streuner |
| 05:45.25 | MidgetKiller | i've just installed debian 3.1 and gotten it configured, i want to back everything up before i go on installing my other software, is there anyway to do a full backup of the OS so that if something goes wrong I can just restore it? |
| 05:45.28 | liable | Azar: my sarge box has sata drives with 2.6.8 |
| 05:45.35 | Azar | liable: OH? |
| 05:45.43 | streuner | aptitude, hi |
| 05:46.02 | Azar | I had a sata PC back in January, put the sarge CD installer on it, it did not even blinked |
| 05:46.07 | Dewi | yeah even dpkg_ seems a little quiet |
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| 05:46.30 | Azar | liable, maybe some special skills, that I do not have |
| 05:47.00 | Dewi | I have never done a successful install of etch, so the etch box I'm talking from must have installed okay |
| 05:47.00 | Azar | bah, when etch will be out no more sata pains |
| 05:47.06 | Dewi | as a sarge install |
| 05:47.09 | liable | Azar: as i said, it depends on the controller chipset |
| 05:47.22 | Azar | liable: ah I see |
| 05:47.29 | Dewi | the common cheap ones work |
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| 05:47.33 | Dewi | things like intel don't |
| 05:47.35 | Dewi | sound familiar? |
| 05:47.51 | Dewi | with hardware, it's like you pay extra to make your life harder |
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| 05:50.52 | Dewi | so is there a way to get security updates in testing without doing major upgrades every time they are available? |
| 05:51.19 | streuner | no |
| 05:51.50 | Dewi | so the testing security thing... is just a fancy way of bypassing quarantine? |
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| 05:54.40 | liable | !ping |
| 05:54.40 | liable | stupid FN servers |
| 05:54.41 | dpkg_ | pong |
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| 05:56.15 | Azar | I don't know about others, but my major relief when switcing from windows to debian linux was getting rid of the bloated desktop |
| 05:56.28 | liable | hrm, i bought some guiness in cans, but i have no glass.. :/ |
| 05:56.41 | Azar | use a mug |
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| 05:58.20 | liable | i guess i'll have to |
| 05:58.35 | ex-parrot | if I do debootstrap sarge, will it install with a 2.6 kernel, 2.4 kernel, or no kernel at all? |
| 05:59.10 | Azar | sarge comes with 2.4 by default but at installation time you can specify 2.6 |
| 05:59.10 | Guerin | ex-parrot: no kernes. |
| 05:59.15 | Guerin | no kernel |
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| 05:59.22 | ex-parrot | Guerin, great. Just what I wanted |
| 05:59.32 | Guerin | Azar: debootstrap doesn't install a kernels since it's designed to make a chroot environment |
| 05:59.33 | Azar | nice to see you back Guerin |
| 05:59.35 | brian_w | Hello |
| 05:59.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:59.50 | Guerin | sometimes I think it's nice to be back |
| 05:59.50 | Azar | Guerin: thanks for the info |
| 05:59.59 | ex-parrot | well Guerin, tell me if you will, what does the --second-stage parameter then do? |
| 06:00.01 | Azar | I for one I missed you |
| 06:00.02 | Guerin | other times I just wish I could go and swim in the mekong river |
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| 06:00.15 | Guerin | ex-parrot: makes it pine for the fjords |
| 06:00.22 | streuner | with a lot of sharks? eh? :-) |
| 06:00.28 | ex-parrot | ahh... it is as I feared then Guerin :) |
| 06:00.33 | brian_w | Can anybody point me in the direction of how to create installation scripts for a base system? |
| 06:01.11 | Guerin | brian_w: what mean you? |
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| 06:01.58 | brian_w | Say I customized an install, and wanted to zip it up and put it on another machine as is. |
| 06:02.14 | Guerin | man tar |
| 06:02.15 | liable | >>>> * Guerin is now known as Yoda |
| 06:02.19 | streuner | Guerin: its wintertime in .nz? |
| 06:02.33 | streuner | so pretty cold |
| 06:02.37 | brian_w | I can just tar it up an untar on the other machine? |
| 06:02.56 | Guerin | streuner: very |
| 06:03.05 | Guerin | brian_w: if you do it right, sure. |
| 06:03.05 | brian_w | Cool, sounds easy |
| 06:03.07 | ex-parrot | Guerin, what part of NZ are you in? |
| 06:03.22 | Guerin | ex-parrot: W-town, the dragon's head |
| 06:03.23 | brian_w | Yea, tar -cspf |
| 06:03.33 | ex-parrot | cool Guerin, greetings from Nelson |
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| 06:03.47 | Guerin | hey, you guys have a halfway decent rugby team now |
| 06:03.55 | brian_w | That just leaves the partitioning and boot sector. |
| 06:03.55 | ex-parrot | do we? |
| 06:03.59 | Guerin | i love tasman, it's a wonderful place |
| 06:04.02 | ex-parrot | agreed. |
| 06:04.06 | brian_w | Hmm, I think I can handle that. |
| 06:05.04 | Guerin | i'd love to live there, but all the damn yuppie christchurchies have bought the place up to retire and there's no work |
| 06:05.19 | ex-parrot | hah, I'm living in nelson and working for a firm in chch ;) |
| 06:05.28 | Guerin | nice |
| 06:05.36 | ex-parrot | it's not bad. |
| 06:05.39 | Guerin | best of both worlds |
| 06:05.55 | ex-parrot | it's a pain when a box goes down and there's nobody in the office. |
| 06:07.09 | Guerin | streuner: it's not cold by european standards, but people here think they're going to die |
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| 06:07.32 | Guerin | temperatures in the single digits! shock/horror |
| 06:07.38 | Azar | is Debconf still used around? or is considered obsolete? |
| 06:07.58 | firestrm | oh man do i need help.. (or a good stiff drink) i just crashed the mail server :( |
| 06:08.10 | Guerin | debconf? |
| 06:08.16 | Azar | Guerin: yes |
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| 06:08.17 | Guerin | debconf will never de! |
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| 06:08.24 | Guerin | or die |
| 06:08.25 | firestrm | any feel like helping a charitycase? |
| 06:08.41 | ex-parrot | what's gone wrong, firestrm? |
| 06:08.42 | Guerin | firestrm: blame it on someone else |
| 06:08.45 | Azar | it's been ages I did not use it |
| 06:08.48 | peterS | this channel isn't for panhandling |
| 06:08.48 | Guerin | that's my advice |
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| 06:09.09 | firestrm | my own stupidity.. i ran e2fsck on a live ext3 filesystem.. dumb.. dumb dumb.. |
| 06:09.22 | ex-parrot | good luck. |
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| 06:09.35 | Guerin | i have one word which starts with b and ends in ackups |
| 06:09.38 | anders__ | hello |
| 06:09.44 | ex-parrot | hi anders__ |
| 06:09.50 | Azar | Guerin speaking of cold, the coldest place can be is up in the mountains on a salt mine |
| 06:09.57 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:10.04 | anders__ | why do i get this error when i shall unzip a file with file roller?: /bin/sh: line 1: unrar: command not found |
| 06:10.07 | firestrm | yes, however, its the old story of the #$*)( backup being corrupt.. |
| 06:10.10 | ex-parrot | Azar, I disagree. the coldest place is my garage on a midwinter evening :) |
| 06:10.24 | Guerin | anders__: because you don't have unrar installed |
| 06:10.26 | Azar | ex-parrot: try a salt mine in winter |
| 06:10.33 | anders__ | Guerin: can u help me? |
| 06:10.52 | ex-parrot | Azar, I imagine that would be worse |
| 06:10.54 | firestrm | so should i bother? or just pave-n-load |
| 06:11.18 | Guerin | anders__: install unraqr. Look on winrar.com or somewhere. |
| 06:11.22 | Guerin | firestrm: latter |
| 06:11.30 | firestrm | sigh.. |
| 06:11.32 | Guerin | firestrm: blame it on disk corruption |
| 06:11.41 | streuner | Azar: some years ago a GI came from Madrid, he had a heater in his suitcases, it was new to me :-) |
| 06:12.00 | firestrm | im gonna remove that $#)$#(* command in the new load.. more trouble than its worth.. |
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| 06:12.22 | liable | firestrm: you missed the big fat warning it gives? |
| 06:12.43 | firestrm | Guerin, well thats what started it, but my attempts at saving it.. well turned out badly.. |
| 06:13.01 | Guerin | oh well. |
| 06:13.18 | Guerin | firestrm: sooner you start reinstalling, the less mail will be lost |
| 06:13.45 | firestrm | liable, oh i saw it.. but i dont know what i was thinking (i blame it on pregnant brain, my wife is due any day and i just seem to have my head up my A$$ as a result) |
| 06:14.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:14.11 | ex-parrot | perhaps firestrm it would be wise to set up a temporary mail server to just hold incoming mail while you fix the main one? |
| 06:14.19 | Guerin | it's not going to get any easier after the birth |
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| 06:14.38 | Guerin | well, compliant smtp servers will hold and retry mail for a while |
| 06:14.42 | Azar | yay HP throwing support for Debian Linux! |
| 06:14.42 | firestrm | that what im working on, i have backups of all our setups and scripts, but live mail didnt get backed up.. |
| 06:14.49 | Guerin | but you do need to not fuck around |
| 06:15.06 | liable | firestrm: quick, fix it, you can almost gaurentee whats going to happen whilst you are mid way through fixing it.. :/ |
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| 06:15.17 | Azar | streuner: GI ? |
| 06:15.45 | streuner | Azar: 'GI' soldier of the american army |
| 06:16.38 | firestrm | i have it booted on the businesscard iso.. any way of running e2fsck from there? |
| 06:16.54 | Guerin | does it have e2fsck on? |
| 06:16.59 | Azar | streuner: wow. I once got lost around a salt mine in December, up in the mountains. I spent hours shaking from cold like an parkinsonian |
| 06:17.03 | liable | i dont think busybox has it |
| 06:17.14 | firestrm | yes, but the drive dont appear in /dev |
| 06:17.25 | Guerin | what? |
| 06:17.34 | Guerin | fsck shouldn't break partitions |
| 06:17.41 | Guerin | it should only break the filesystem on them |
| 06:17.47 | firestrm | oh to complicate things, its running on sparc hardware.. (FUN!) |
| 06:18.27 | streuner | Azar: well, russians say, there is no cold weather, there is only bad clothing |
| 06:19.29 | firestrm | im tempted to load up my backup machine, yank the drive out of the sparc machine, put it in the backup machine and try to mount it there.. all i need to gram is the live mail data.. (i hate imap.. too many eggs in one basket, and nobody saves their mail to their local machine) |
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| 06:20.11 | Guerin | imap is awesome |
| 06:20.42 | Azar | streuner: I slept that night in a heated room, with thick blankets , fully dressed and with a furry hat on my head, still kept shaking |
| 06:20.44 | piyush_patel | how can i backup my crontab file? |
| 06:21.35 | Guerin | piyush_patel: scp /etc/crontab piyush@patel.org |
| 06:21.43 | Guerin | piyush_patel: scp /etc/crontab piyush@patel.org:~ |
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| 06:22.54 | firestrm | Guerin, Imap is great until the server goes down, then goodbye live email |
| 06:23.35 | peterS | Guerin: no need for the ~ suffix, if you don't specify a path it goes to $HOME anyway |
| 06:23.47 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 06:23.51 | peterS | you do need the : though |
| 06:23.57 | Azar | what happens when the large crowd demands a cool looking desktop, web-based email, etc? vulnerabilities start raining on them |
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| 06:24.06 | Guerin | firestrm: smtp spec is robust |
| 06:24.31 | Guerin | so, anyone know any decent webmail yet? |
| 06:24.36 | Guerin | nothing php |
| 06:24.41 | darth_chatri | i saw some folks using some aiglx jazz on ubuntu dapper. anything available for unstable? |
| 06:24.49 | Azar | Guerin I am using my ISP's one |
| 06:25.02 | Azar | which is not bad at all |
| 06:25.03 | Guerin | Azar: i can't install thst on my debian box though, can i? |
| 06:25.17 | Azar | Guerin: no, is on their servers |
| 06:25.28 | Guerin | clearly |
| 06:25.50 | peterS | darth_chatri: your existing X server isn't bubbly enough for you? |
| 06:26.02 | Azar | not sure if they sell hosting+webmail in a package to outsiders |
| 06:26.04 | piyush_patel | Guerin: I lost my crontab file and i want to see all the jobs i set before ...i couldn't get you.. |
| 06:26.19 | knowwho | hey, i know its offtopic but, is it possible for my pc run run at 133mhz, im talkin about my memory speed, but the ones the currently hooked up are only 100mhzs |
| 06:26.20 | Guerin | piyush_patel: oh, you can't. |
| 06:26.29 | knowwho | -run |
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| 06:26.34 | streuner | Guerin: IlohaMail? |
| 06:26.40 | darth_chatri | just wanted to try it out, for kicks. i doubt whether it works for fvwm anyways |
| 06:26.42 | Guerin | knowwho: deends on the mainboard |
| 06:26.44 | Guerin | streuner: php |
| 06:27.04 | peterS | knowwho: any PC running at 133 MHz will not use PC100 memory. most likely it uses EDO SDRAM or something. |
| 06:27.25 | Azar | I like mine because it offers choices: plain or javascript, I allways go for plain |
| 06:27.31 | streuner | Guerin: oh, true |
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| 06:28.09 | firestrm | oh big sigh of relief.. i think i managed to get it running.. at least i have access to my data.. i just have to figure out how to get it off |
| 06:28.21 | anders__ | why do i get this error from k3b whe n iam trying to burn a program?: Could not find growisofs executable? |
| 06:28.29 | firestrm | woot! |
| 06:28.38 | peterS | anders__: because perhaps you don't have the growisofs executable? |
| 06:28.41 | sanmarcos | vamos loco todavia |
| 06:28.43 | knowwho | peterS: what about pc that are running pc100, can they run at 133mhz? |
| 06:28.47 | Guerin | anders__: what does 'could not find' mean? |
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| 06:28.57 | peterS | knowwho: do you mean the memory bus speed, or the CPU speed? |
| 06:29.03 | anders__ | peterS: how can i fix that? |
| 06:29.05 | Guerin | knowwho: you mean a multiplier of 133mhz |
| 06:29.09 | liable | anders__: install dvd+rw=tools |
| 06:29.09 | knowwho | memory speed |
| 06:29.14 | anders__ | liable: how? :P |
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| 06:29.15 | liable | anders__: install dvd+rw-tools |
| 06:29.16 | knowwho | not multiplier |
| 06:29.27 | liable | anders__: with apt-get? |
| 06:29.54 | anders__ | didnt found anything as dvd+rw-.tools |
| 06:29.56 | peterS | knowwho: if your motherboard supports a 133 MHz memory bus, and you install PC133 modules, they will run at 133 MHz. |
| 06:29.58 | anders__ | apt-get install what? |
| 06:30.09 | peterS | anders__: what liable said |
| 06:30.14 | knowwho | well, i will see |
| 06:30.16 | knowwho | brb |
| 06:30.21 | streuner | Guerin: and horde is written in php too? |
| 06:30.37 | Tallu | Uhm, this might be a stupid question but how can I change the refresh rate on my monitor? I'm running gnome. I set the monitor to support up to 85 hz but I cant find where to actually set it. It's stuck at 60. |
| 06:30.40 | Guerin | god, I hate horde |
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| 06:30.45 | anders__ | will it work then?= |
| 06:30.47 | liable | anders__: apt-get install dvd+rw-tools |
| 06:30.57 | streuner | ah, ok :-) |
| 06:31.00 | Guerin | Tallu: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:31.14 | liable | anders__: no, we just like to tell people to install random crap.. |
| 06:31.15 | sanmarcos | streuner, Guerin, liable , lots of hardcores tonight |
| 06:31.20 | wols_ | peterS: you usually can increase CAS 1 and run PC100 SDRAM at 133. THere is also the problem of CPU multiplier tho |
| 06:31.23 | Tallu | Guerin: thanks! |
| 06:31.39 | Tallu | Guerin: only, it isnt here. :P |
| 06:31.46 | Azar | strange abrotman does not show up 24/7 anymore |
| 06:31.49 | hjubal | hola |
| 06:31.50 | Guerin | !where are you |
| 06:31.50 | dpkg_ | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 06:31.54 | anders__ | thx liable :) |
| 06:31.54 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 06:31.55 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 06:31.57 | sanmarcos | Azar, yes, life has constrained him |
| 06:31.59 | Guerin | Tallu: ^ |
| 06:32.15 | Tallu | Guerin: okay thanks :) |
| 06:32.34 | Azar | good day honorables, Guerin nice to see you back :) |
| 06:32.34 | Tallu | !xmd5 |
| 06:32.34 | dpkg_ | hmm... x md5sum is If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are ... |
| 06:32.34 | peterS | wols_: so in practical terms, does memory run faster at 133 MHz, CAS 3, or at 100 MHz, CAS 2? I suppose that depends on the efficiency of the L2 controller |
| 06:32.36 | liable | you cant /msg dpkg_ |
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| 06:33.03 | sanmarcos | peterS, 33mhz aint much of a difference |
| 06:33.04 | streuner | hm, we need a bot |
| 06:33.11 | sanmarcos | peterS, is there a way to check the mhz from linux? |
| 06:33.12 | peterS | sanmarcos: it's 33 percent. that's huge. |
| 06:33.22 | streuner | and something which has the all factoids... |
| 06:33.25 | sanmarcos | peterS, relative, oh yes |
| 06:33.28 | Guerin | 33% of fractions of milliseconds |
| 06:33.30 | peterS | sanmarcos: that's like going from a 2 GHz processor to a 2.7 GHz processor |
| 06:33.38 | wols_ | peterS: among other things yes. E.g. P4 which was built for RAMBUS extreme latency modules, it's often beneficiary |
| 06:34.01 | streuner | sussudio: ping |
| 06:34.16 | peterS | streuner: the raven doesn't? |
| 06:34.22 | streuner | nope |
| 06:34.43 | streuner | ravenbird, sarge 2.6.16 |
| 06:34.47 | ravenbird | streuner: wish i knew |
| 06:35.05 | wols_ | and if you can increase the speed of CPU (locked multiplier!) and run it at higher speeds now, it's always beneficiary. Except for some weird apps like Quake3 for example: Q3 eats mem latencies for breakfast, lunch and dinner |
| 06:36.05 | sanmarcos | is there a way to check the MHZ of the ram from Linux? |
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| 06:38.05 | liable | apt: hola |
| 06:38.23 | streuner | liable: apt either, there is aptitude and piggy |
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| 06:38.51 | firestrm | sign.. so close, yet so far... e2fsck is segfaulting.. |
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| 06:39.13 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.36 | cat | !piggy |
| 06:39.37 | dpkg_ | Piggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org |
| 06:39.37 | cat | ;X |
| 06:40.40 | peterS | sanmarcos: probably with dmidecode, but honestly, very rarely does it actually matter |
| 06:40.52 | sanmarcos | peterS, ... right |
| 06:41.10 | sanmarcos | peterS, how much ram do you have in your desktop? |
| 06:41.29 | Tallu | Guerin: yeah, that helped.. thanks a lot :) |
| 06:41.34 | peterS | sanmarcos: also 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will give you the MHz of the CPU, at least on some architectures. it's possible to deduce the bus multiplier from that, given the reality that it's always half an integer |
| 06:43.04 | peterS | sanmarcos: well, "always" on architectures where the CPU clock is linked to the memory bus clock. this is not true on all architectures |
| 06:43.07 | anders__ | why doesent my soundcard work? :S |
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| 06:43.57 | ex-parrot | "you don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives" I'm trying to run apt-get install in a chroot environment and it's not working... I have about 75 gigs of space free |
| 06:44.13 | sanmarcos | anders__, its moody |
| 06:44.16 | liable | totally, way off topic, but who can explain how the hell this works? http://www.milaadesign.com/wizardy.html |
| 06:45.04 | ex-parrot | liable, if you follow through the arithmetic there's a step where no matter what number you pick it is always the same |
| 06:45.05 | g333k | how to format a usb memory stick in fat16? I will format it now to fat32 |
| 06:45.24 | liable | ex-parrot: yeah, i was just thinking that there must always be a constant |
| 06:45.44 | ex-parrot | now I helped you, tell me how to get apt-get working liable ;) |
| 06:45.54 | tarzeau | if you say print, then properties in adobe acrobat reader you get a printer command, it doesn't keep the settings you write in there. however there's a * "You can add / change the command line options. See CUPS manual for details." anyone knows how? |
| 06:46.48 | tarzeau | i can't find any docs in /usr/share/doc/cups* nor man cups |
| 06:46.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:46.52 | dpkg_ | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:51.41 | liable | ex-parrot: df -h /var |
| 06:52.26 | ex-parrot | frickin' heck, I just installed sarge to the live CD ramdisk |
| 06:52.27 | ex-parrot | not to the HDD |
| 06:52.31 | ex-parrot | no wonder it's out of space |
| 06:52.49 | liable | heh |
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| 06:53.00 | wols_ | tarzeau: cups has a doc package iirc |
| 06:53.19 | tarzeau | wols_: i couldn't find it using apt-cache search cups doc |
| 06:53.24 | tarzeau | wols_: of course i looked for that first |
| 06:53.42 | amphi | ex-parrot: heheh |
| 06:54.46 | k-man | does fsck do a bad block check when it runs at boot time? |
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| 06:55.32 | wols_ | k-man: only badblocks does this |
| 06:55.42 | wols_ | and smartmontools |
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| 06:56.17 | k-man | wols_, so is there a way to get badblocks to do it at boot time? |
| 06:56.27 | k-man | or do you have to boot off a live cd to do it? |
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| 06:56.38 | tarzeau | k-man: it can operate at different ways |
| 06:56.49 | tarzeau | k-man: what's the problem exactly? |
| 06:57.04 | tarzeau | k-man: you don't want to run badblocks every boot, it takes ages (linearly on large disks) |
| 06:57.07 | k-man | im getting a bad sector error on my / partition |
| 06:57.10 | liable | k-man: read the init script, doesnt look like it |
| 06:57.14 | tarzeau | k-man: then get a new harddisk |
| 06:57.20 | k-man | well..i will |
| 06:57.27 | tarzeau | liable: he can always write his own init script |
| 06:57.30 | wols_ | run a long smartmontools test. better than badblocks |
| 06:57.34 | liable | tarzeau: indeed |
| 06:57.49 | k-man | no, i just want to run it the once |
| 06:57.56 | wols_ | remount / RO and run it |
| 06:58.08 | k-man | oh, im booting off a live cd |
| 06:58.10 | k-man | ill try that first |
| 06:58.10 | tarzeau | wols_: he could run badblocks ro mode |
| 06:58.23 | wols_ | tarzeau: badblocks is bad, SMART is better |
| 06:58.27 | liable | e2fsck -c would be better |
| 06:58.34 | k-man | what is smartmon? |
| 06:58.41 | streuner | hm, "badgers" is here and running |
| 06:58.44 | wols_ | harddisk diagnostics |
| 06:58.52 | streuner | badgers, sarge 2.6.16 |
| 06:58.52 | badgers | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 06:58.55 | tarzeau | wols_: smart is crap, besides not all disks have it |
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| 06:59.09 | wols_ | it replaces the bad sector(s) with the spares every harddisk has for this purpose |
| 06:59.24 | wols_ | tarzeau: unless you have a 300MB disk or so, you have it |
| 06:59.29 | tarzeau | wols_: sometimes, it doesn't always work |
| 06:59.41 | wols_ | yes, it doesn't if it's out of spares |
| 06:59.45 | tarzeau | wols_: there's also 10gb disks with limited or no smart capabilities |
| 06:59.58 | k-man | ok |
| 07:00.02 | k-man | so what should i try? |
| 07:00.04 | tarzeau | wols_: sometimes it's just not possible to fix it by that, not even using the vendor tool |
| 07:00.07 | k-man | badblocks or smartmon? |
| 07:00.13 | tarzeau | k-man: the vendor harddisk tool |
| 07:00.21 | k-man | vendor hard disk tool? |
| 07:00.24 | k-man | *sigh* |
| 07:00.27 | tarzeau | k-man: what harddisk is it? |
| 07:00.31 | wols_ | the vendors use SMART too btw :) |
| 07:00.33 | tarzeau | k-man: samsung? hitachi/ibm? |
| 07:00.58 | streuner | peterS: badgers is almost always up-to-date |
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| 07:03.33 | streuner | liable: s/piggy/badgers/ ;-) |
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| 07:04.31 | k-man | tarzeau, its listed in dmesg as an ST340016A |
| 07:04.47 | k-man | seagate |
| 07:04.50 | streuner | so seagate |
| 07:04.51 | spanglesontoast | hey is it safe to compile the latest gcc for debian ? |
| 07:05.03 | spanglesontoast | or would I need to upgrade the glibc ? |
| 07:05.10 | streuner | why someone want compile gcc? :-) |
| 07:05.28 | spanglesontoast | to have the latest of course :) |
| 07:05.32 | spanglesontoast | and stable |
| 07:05.37 | spanglesontoast | well |
| 07:05.42 | spanglesontoast | to be current |
| 07:05.44 | spanglesontoast | ..... |
| 07:06.05 | streuner | spanglesontoast: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:06.05 | tarzeau | spanglesontoast: i did so |
| 07:06.06 | tarzeau | spanglesontoast: 4.1.1 for stable, works fine |
| 07:06.18 | tarzeau | streuner: because someone need gcc 4? |
| 07:06.36 | tarzeau | streuner: because 3.x is buggy for some things, and you can't use testing/sid for stability/security reasons? |
| 07:06.50 | spanglesontoast | basically I'm gonna build my own distro by compiling stuff and use the debian base |
| 07:06.52 | tarzeau | spanglesontoast: i can put it online if you want (only C and C++ though for me/us) |
| 07:06.56 | streuner | tarzeau: well, there are lots of people out there who want *only* the latest and only for *this* reason... |
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| 07:07.05 | tarzeau | streuner: we HAVE a reason |
| 07:07.08 | tarzeau | streuner: and it's bugs in 3.x |
| 07:07.23 | tarzeau | streuner: and it's not just "to be cool" or something idiot like that |
| 07:07.25 | streuner | sure, but you aren't a *normal* user... |
| 07:07.38 | tarzeau | streuner: so? all people on irc are probably not normal |
| 07:07.43 | spanglesontoast | lol |
| 07:07.50 | tarzeau | very possibly someone with a nick like spanglesontoast isn't normal either |
| 07:07.57 | spanglesontoast | hehe |
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| 07:09.03 | streuner | if you don't have a very specific reason, just don't touch gcc |
| 07:09.29 | spanglesontoast | basically I'm gonna compile lots of things from source |
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| 07:09.39 | spanglesontoast | and I'm just being on the safe side |
| 07:09.40 | lhds | when i sudo module-assistant prepare,update ||| sudo module-assistant build,install fglrx it loads the newer vers of the driver the one i removed the .debs from synaptic how to make it understand that i want to load the older version? |
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| 07:11.37 | lhds | how>? |
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| 07:12.51 | streuner | spanglesontoast: you are on the safe side using debian's gcc |
| 07:13.00 | spanglesontoast | are you sure |
| 07:13.02 | spanglesontoast | ? |
| 07:13.13 | streuner | for stable? yes |
| 07:13.28 | lhds | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.39 | du | hi all..what's the cleanest and better way to completely remove gnome? |
| 07:14.51 | streuner | badgers, bobbitt |
| 07:14.52 | badgers | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 07:15.13 | streuner | badgers, remove gnome |
| 07:15.13 | badgers | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 07:15.40 | Guerin | spanglesontoast: the safe side is using official debian packages for everything |
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| 07:15.53 | Guerin | spanglesontoast: if you want to compile everything from source, use slackware |
| 07:16.09 | streuner | or gentoo or LFS |
| 07:16.34 | spanglesontoast | lol fed up with lfs |
| 07:16.51 | du | badgers, did you speak to me? |
| 07:16.52 | badgers | i haven't a clue, du |
| 07:17.01 | lhds | can i kick myself? |
| 07:17.07 | lhds | in the bu t t? |
| 07:17.21 | streuner | du, 'badgers' is a bot |
| 07:17.35 | streuner | du: the message was for you |
| 07:17.47 | lhds | fcuk |
| 07:17.48 | du | streuner, ah..thx |
| 07:18.17 | du | a bot that syays "remember lorena bobbitt???" |
| 07:18.29 | streuner | why not? |
| 07:18.49 | du | very nice bot then.... |
| 07:19.12 | du | someone here uses gnome? |
| 07:19.18 | streuner | thank "xk" he has written it for debian |
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| 07:19.52 | du | i have been problems with samba months ago to now |
| 07:20.09 | du | i only can get it work with kde...but i want gnome |
| 07:20.33 | spanglesontoast | so anything that is compiled from source would mean that it destroys the word stable :P |
| 07:23.01 | lhds | anyone with an ati gfx card by any chance and hazard? |
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| 07:23.46 | DocOC | lhds: I have an ati card, but I bet it's nothing like your ati card. |
| 07:23.55 | liable | lhds: if you cant work it out with the debian ones, just get the ati installer of the version you want |
| 07:24.08 | RvGaTe | morning... |
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| 07:25.59 | amphi | lhds: what card? |
| 07:26.21 | lhds | radeon x200 |
| 07:26.29 | lhds | its not the problem |
| 07:26.37 | lhds | when i sudo module-assistant prepare,update ||| sudo module-assistant build,install fglrx it loads the newer vers of the driver the one i removed the .debs from synaptic how to make it understand that i want to load the older version? |
| 07:26.49 | ph00 | hi guys, I get an [all-recursive] error 1 when I try to install SimGear from source, and I'm noob enough not to know what that is about, can someone help me plz? |
| 07:26.58 | lhds | amphi any idea? |
| 07:27.14 | amphi | lhds: no, my card is supported by the xorg driver ;) |
| 07:28.16 | lhds | woaaaaaaah |
| 07:28.20 | lhds | that is toomuch |
| 07:28.45 | amphi | lhds: to much what? smugness? ;) |
| 07:28.45 | lhds | if you dpkg a pkg a deb pkg --purge remove it |
| 07:28.55 | lhds | how come when it comes to build |
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| 07:30.15 | liable | lhds: if you have removed the debs with dpkg, also remove the debs from where you made them. if you have the debian fglrx package, remove them from /usr/src |
| 07:30.40 | ph00 | here is the output I get when I run make, can someone tell me how do I fix that please? http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=8109 |
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| 07:31.56 | liable | ph00: try installing libalut-dev |
| 07:32.02 | RvGaTe | How do i auth my debian box to a proxy server... and make sure every single internet traffic from that box, goes trough the proxy... ? |
| 07:32.04 | ph00 | liable OK thx |
| 07:32.37 | Kiirani | Annoyance... Does a brand new debian install happen to have it's kernel sources stored somwhere? I keep getting kernel panic when I try to boot so I figured I'd check to see if it's been configured correctly, but I can't find where it is.. |
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| 07:33.31 | liable | Kiirani: no. you cant boot the brand new install? |
| 07:33.46 | liable | Kiirani: the config for the kernel is in /boot though |
| 07:34.00 | Kiirani | Nope, Kernel panic, some error, please append the correct "root=" option |
| 07:34.04 | Kiirani | Problem is, it's correct |
| 07:34.12 | Kiirani | Debian is installed on hda5 |
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| 07:34.35 | Kiirani | I set grub.conf kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 |
| 07:34.39 | DocOC | Kiirani: sata drives? |
| 07:34.57 | Kiirani | Nope. It's definitely hda |
| 07:35.05 | Kiirani | gentoo is on hda3 and boots fine :) |
| 07:35.48 | Kiirani | although I didn't let it go through and install grub etc itself, because I already have grub on an existing boot partition |
| 07:36.00 | DocOC | Kiirani: did you install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:36.14 | Kiirani | I didn't install anything, the bloody installer app did it FOR me |
| 07:36.30 | Kiirani | and no, it's a 2.4 kernel. I was extremely surprised to see one. |
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| 07:36.46 | Kiirani | I'd go and get a 2.6 and build it myself, but I can't apt-get install lynx |
| 07:37.01 | liable | Kiirani: ah, are you chainloading grub or loading it from the gentoo install? |
| 07:37.38 | Kiirani | liable, uhm. |
| 07:38.05 | Kiirani | Well, I've got grub on the partition I put it on waaay back when i installed gentoo |
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| 07:38.17 | Kiirani | and I've got that bootable instead of the debian install. |
| 07:38.35 | Kiirani | and as far as I know I prevented debian from installing grub on itself... |
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| 07:39.06 | Kiirani | So to the best of my extremely limited knowledge, I'm not chainloading anything.. |
| 07:39.09 | wols_ | Kiirani: existing grub installs don't prevent anything |
| 07:39.34 | Kiirani | wols_, I know, I mean I hit "no" as soon as it mentioned grub in the installer. |
| 07:39.40 | liable | Kiirani: you prolly need to run grub, and tell it where the root is, if you want them both to work without copying kernels and shit over, then you will need to chainload it |
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| 07:40.38 | wols_ | Kiirani: so you hand edited your menu.lst to boot debian? did you give the debian kernel an initrd line? |
| 07:40.56 | Kiirani | liable, er, forgive me if this sounds extremely stupid. But I've pointed grub to the debian kernel, and it starts to boot fine.. I've also pointed it at the debian root= after that |
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| 07:41.04 | Kiirani | An initrd line? No, why would I need that? |
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| 07:41.18 | wols_ | cause every distro kernele ever needs a initrd |
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| 07:41.32 | Kiirani | my gentoo kernel doesn't :p |
| 07:41.43 | wols_ | your install gentoo kernel does |
| 07:42.20 | Kiirani | but no, I didn't give it an initrd line, no entry I've ever made into grub had needed one before. |
| 07:42.45 | wols_ | so your debian kernel can't load the IDE drivers and panics |
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| 07:43.04 | Kiirani | That would make sense. |
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| 07:43.33 | Kiirani | Right, i'll go look into that. |
| 07:43.37 | Kiirani | thanks.. |
| 07:44.14 | Kiirani | Oh, also, do you know why apt-get won't recognise lynx as a package? or less, for that matter? I'd work it out myself but man won't work and the help goes off my screen and less isn't there so I can't just apt-get | less |
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| 07:44.55 | wols_ | you can use |more |
| 07:45.07 | Kiirani | Meh, that'll work |
| 07:45.15 | wols_ | you need to enter a debian mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update |
| 07:45.23 | liable | more should be the default pager if less isnt installed |
| 07:45.47 | Kiirani | Wonderful, thank you. |
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| 07:48.23 | Kiirani | Odd that initrd isn't needed for my gentoo kernel though. |
| 07:49.01 | jimmybgood | Kiirani: a properly built custom kernel has all the drivers it needs built in |
| 07:49.15 | jimmybgood | and doesn't need an initrd |
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| 07:49.42 | Kiirani | which of course, I don't have on my brand new debian install, because it decided to do it all by itself |
| 07:49.50 | jimmybgood | exactly |
| 07:49.56 | Kiirani | and then Oh lovely <3 initrd, file not found. |
| 07:50.42 | jimmybgood | maybe initrd.gz |
| 07:50.58 | Kiirani | in the debian partition there's an /initrd |
| 07:50.58 | Rolf-R | hello. when downloading installation discs, do I only need "debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso"? Or all of them up to number 14 plus "update" discs? |
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| 07:51.20 | Kiirani | I pointed it at that.. Maybe I should fix up apt-get and fetch a kernel, and build it myself. |
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| 07:51.42 | Kiirani | I find it odd that it wants me on a 2.4 kernel anyway |
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| 07:52.00 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 07:52.02 | wols_ | Rolf-R: first CD or netinst CD is enough |
| 07:52.10 | jimmybgood | Kiirani: that /initrd is a directory for mounting something |
| 07:52.15 | Rolf-R | wols_: thanks :) |
| 07:52.48 | wols_ | !tell Kiirani about kp mantra |
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| 07:53.24 | Kiirani | Alrighty |
| 07:53.32 | Kiirani | I'll reboot to the install cd again and look for another |
| 07:53.40 | Kiirani | Much fun ^_^ |
| 07:54.10 | jimmybgood | it might be /boot/initrd.gz |
| 07:54.25 | Kiirani | One big complaint i have is that it doesn't recognise my laptop keyboard -.- |
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| 07:54.50 | jimmybgood | funny, several hundred people here have it on their computer and could tell you, but I've never used one and am guessing |
| 07:55.01 | spanglesontoast | erm can someone get the bot to send me the sources list I forgot to set them :( |
| 07:55.07 | spanglesontoast | for apt... |
| 07:55.30 | Kiirani | It's highly annoying, I only have one usb keyboard and that happens to be the one i prefer typing on, which i like plugged into THIS computer |
| 07:55.45 | Kiirani | ah well. Shouldn't be a problem once it's done installing |
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| 07:57.43 | JohnQ | Is there anyway I can permanatly make /dev/cdrom a synonym to /dev/hdc when using devfs? My symlinks seem to go away when I reboot. |
| 07:58.42 | minerale | what can I use to extract the files in a .iso file? |
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| 07:59.14 | Kiirani | initrd.img. file not found. I guess I'll try (hd0,4)/initrd.img |
| 07:59.40 | Kiirani | (as that appears to be what I'm looking for) |
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| 08:03.05 | Kiirani | ! It works :D |
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| 08:03.57 | Kiirani | Sorta. |
| 08:04.28 | Kiirani | it boots, at any rate. |
| 08:04.40 | Kiirani | Thank you so much ^_^ |
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| 08:05.15 | enouf | JohnQ: put it in /etc/fstab |
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| 08:08.33 | JohnQ | enouf that fixes mounting but not ejecting.. .still need "eject hdc" instead of "eject cdrom" |
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| 08:09.44 | Kiirani | Hey um.. Is there any kind of manual installer for this thing? You know.. build your own kernel, edit config files yourself.. Don't allow the OS to screw itself up? |
| 08:09.55 | RvGaTe | I just installed a new network card on my box, it gets listed at ifconfig -a, but when i try to ifup eth1, it gives me "Ignoring unknown interface ath1=eth1".... any ideas? i personnaly think it didn't install/use drivers for it... |
| 08:10.01 | moshii | JohnQ: you need to look it up in the devfs docs, adding static entries |
| 08:10.21 | moshii | JohnQ: devfs is dead and unsupported as far as I know |
| 08:10.22 | enouf | JohnQ: in /etc/fstab - try '/dev/hdc /media/cdrom ... ' |
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| 08:11.06 | enouf | JohnQ: just make sure you save and know what was there before - as I'm not certain since I've upgraded, so can't check for certain |
| 08:11.32 | JohnQ | the "eject" program doesn't even read the fstab... |
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| 08:11.52 | enouf | JohnQ: so then what does it read? |
| 08:12.00 | JohnQ | mount |
| 08:12.05 | JohnQ | (and umount) |
| 08:12.14 | enouf | alrighty - then cat /etc/mtab |
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| 08:12.33 | JohnQ | ... what about it? |
| 08:12.43 | enouf | what's it say for your cdrom? |
| 08:13.10 | JohnQ | it says /dec/hdc is mounted on /cdrom ... exactly as the fstab said to do.. |
| 08:13.28 | enouf | JohnQ: so change /etc/fstab like I said |
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| 08:14.19 | JohnQ | That would mount it on /media/cdrom... I dont want o move the mountpoint.. I want to make /dev/cdrom a symlink to /dev/hdc which will be persistent across reboots while using devfs. |
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| 08:16.28 | enouf | JohnQ: hey man have it your way then ...devfs looks to /media I would guess, for specific mount info ...or work out your own damn static entries - or sump devfs -- If 'eject" actually used mount info (/etc/mtab) for eject it would work already |
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| 08:17.24 | JohnQ | Alright... forget it. I'll just make an initscript to make the symlink on reboot. |
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| 08:19.22 | RvGaTe | my question is still open voor answeres and/or suggestions... |
| 08:19.57 | blondie | "voor answeres" eh |
| 08:20.04 | Kiirani | Hey, my brand new debian's refusing to boot (still) :) Anyone wanna take a look at this? http://kiirani.com/debianissues |
| 08:20.09 | RvGaTe | oops :P dutch/english |
| 08:20.11 | Kiirani | I've tried to scribble down as much as I can about the error |
| 08:20.24 | blondie | RvGaTe: did you configure it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:20.51 | pstickne | Kiirani, looks like bad blocks |
| 08:21.05 | RvGaTe | blondie, yes, i put a line in there: auto eth1 |
| 08:21.09 | pstickne | Kiirani, I would run fsck with -c asap. |
| 08:21.21 | Kiirani | Hm, Right then. |
| 08:21.26 | Kiirani | booting gentoo to do that |
| 08:21.33 | RvGaTe | blondie, then restarted /etc/init.d/networking, and came up with that message |
| 08:21.35 | pstickne | Kiirani, at the very least the currently bad blocks will be marked :) |
| 08:21.51 | pstickne | Kiirani, but it always starts with one bad block... :x |
| 08:22.11 | Jessica85 | hello, I am looking for some help docs and example about setting up wireless connection among different networks, basically I need to switch network between home & work which both are wpa_psk enabled. But I also would like to keep free ap connection settings when I go out. I check the documents but confused in various docs. |
| 08:22.14 | blondie | RvGaTe: if that's all you put in there, then it's not configured |
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| 08:22.16 | pstickne | Kiirani, I have about 350 4k bad blocks now ;) |
| 08:22.21 | Kiirani | Gotta love linux and all the associated headaches. |
| 08:22.25 | blondie | RvGaTe: pastebin the file |
| 08:22.27 | DarKnesS_WolF | how to know what options the packaged compiled with ? |
| 08:22.44 | pstickne | Kiirani, you'd have the same issue in windows ... only your options would be more limited. |
| 08:22.59 | RvGaTe | blondie, http://pastebin.ca/130993 |
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| 08:23.19 | Jessica85 | Jessica85: my wireless card is using madwifi in sid |
| 08:23.20 | blondie | RvGaTe: do you want it to use dhcp? |
| 08:23.21 | Kiirani | If I had the same problem on windows, I'd just pay money for someone else to fix it, because it's inexplicably broken. |
| 08:23.25 | RvGaTe | blondie, yes |
| 08:23.46 | blondie | RvGaTe: add this line: iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 08:23.56 | pstickne | Kiirani, yeah, you take it someplace and they charge you too much and don't fix your problem or charge you too much and sell you something you don't need :) |
| 08:24.04 | pstickne | Kiirani, :p |
| 08:24.24 | Kiirani | Hm. hey pstickne, is it possible these have been around for a while? gentoo on the laptop's been running on only half the hard drive, and when it ran windows i used to have a LOT of strange problems. |
| 08:24.27 | RvGaTe | blondie, worked like a charm |
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| 08:24.33 | RvGaTe | blondie, thank you |
| 08:24.37 | pstickne | Kiirani, yes it is. |
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| 08:25.12 | pstickne | Kiirani, I had some which I "found" when I tried to repartition my windows partition ... that didn't work well. |
| 08:25.26 | Kiirani | Hm. That could explain a lot of the issues I had back on windows. |
| 08:25.31 | pstickne | (by work well I mean I ended up with a completely toast partition table :) |
| 08:25.36 | liable | Jessica85: see man wpa_action and the wpasupllicant docs in /usr/share/doc |
| 08:25.42 | Kiirani | Although most of them could also be explained by the fact that I was on windows |
| 08:25.51 | liable | Jessica85: wpa_action man page is pretty good |
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| 08:26.06 | pstickne | Kiirani, right now I created a dummy partition (didn't format) over the bad block region :p |
| 08:26.59 | Kiirani | Right, checking |
| 08:27.22 | Kiirani | Not sure how well this will go, laptop's been having issues since I completely filled up that hdd partition |
| 08:28.30 | minerale | Hi, coud someone point me to some good documentation on why /tmp should be on a separate partition ? |
| 08:28.32 | pngwn | 1 |
| 08:28.54 | blondie | m |
| 08:28.57 | blondie | or 2 |
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| 08:29.45 | ex-parrot | what do I need to add as a module to my ramdisk to get raid support working, for a / on md0 ? |
| 08:30.23 | insmod | minerale: no need -- unless u get swamped |
| 08:30.25 | minerale | pngwn, blondie: was that a collaborative effort to write '1 or to million reasons' I'm looking for a well articulated source |
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| 08:30.39 | RvGaTe | can someone do a portscan on 82.168.9.154 please? (its a server that transfered from local-network to direct-internet) |
| 08:30.42 | minerale | insmod: talking about a production server with hundreeds of users |
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| 08:30.47 | anders__ | anyone in here that can cedega? |
| 08:31.02 | RvGaTe | #cedega ? |
| 08:31.11 | anders__ | but i dont know how to unpack it? :D |
| 08:31.16 | anders__ | i have downloaded it |
| 08:31.26 | RvGaTe | what file you got ? |
| 08:31.28 | insmod | minerale: well then you need a large /tmp -- unless u redirect all to ~user/tmp |
| 08:31.42 | anders__ | it says: dpkg -i /PATH_TO PACAKAGE/PACKAGE_NAME.deb |
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| 08:32.03 | RvGaTe | anders__, did you download a .deb file ? |
| 08:32.06 | anders__ | yes |
| 08:32.16 | liable | !reference |
| 08:32.17 | dpkg_ | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 08:32.24 | liable | anders__: ^^^ read it, its very good |
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| 08:32.45 | ex-parrot | raid1, md_mod and dm_mod ? |
| 08:32.47 | RvGaTe | well... then the solution looks easy anders__ .... just do dpkg -i /path_to_file/filename.deb |
| 08:32.51 | ex-parrot | are those all the modules pertaining to raid support? |
| 08:33.00 | anders__ | RvGaTe: if it is in my /home/map |
| 08:33.04 | anders__ | shall i be as root |
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| 08:33.17 | RvGaTe | anders__, yes, and read the reference aswell |
| 08:33.55 | anders__ | it cant found the archive, file or catagory is not found |
| 08:33.59 | anders__ | how do i fix that? :P |
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| 08:34.43 | RvGaTe | anders__, make sure your path is correct... |
| 08:34.52 | anders__ | the hole name? |
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| 08:35.01 | ZollE | I want to run my pureftp servr with my switches every time |
| 08:35.02 | ZollE | i reboot my machine how can i do that? |
| 08:35.08 | RvGaTe | anders__, no, just take the first 2 letters.... ofcourse the whole name... |
| 08:35.11 | ZollE | on debian system. |
| 08:35.11 | liable | anders__: cd into the directory first, then just dpkg -i package.deb |
| 08:35.14 | anders__ | RvGaTe: but i did? |
| 08:35.22 | anders__ | iam root |
| 08:35.25 | anders__ | liable: i |
| 08:35.35 | liable | anders__: e |
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| 08:36.03 | anders__ | sure that dpkg -i /path_to_file/filename.blabla is right? |
| 08:37.01 | liable | anders__: you have mispelled or something... learn to use tab completion |
| 08:37.11 | anders__ | liable: i cant, but it is there |
| 08:37.20 | liable | anders__: dpkg -i /home/map/ced<tab> |
| 08:37.21 | anders__ | i write the 2-3 first letter then tab but it doesent work |
| 08:37.38 | anders__ | aha ty |
| 08:37.38 | anders__ | :DP |
| 08:37.55 | anders__ | it says: Packlage python glade2 is not installed |
| 08:37.56 | anders__ | S: |
| 08:38.04 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
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| 08:39.42 | RvGaTe | can someone do a portscan on 82.168.9.154 please? |
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| 08:39.47 | kharcore | hi |
| 08:39.57 | kharcore | how do I join a user in Debian? |
| 08:40.01 | liable | RvGaTe: running, waiting for it to finish.. |
| 08:40.02 | kharcore | in gentoo I use this line |
| 08:40.09 | RvGaTe | liable, ah, alright.. thx |
| 08:40.09 | kharcore | # useradd -m -G users,wheel,audio -s /bin/bash john |
| 08:40.22 | kharcore | but I am not sure about the last part in Debian |
| 08:40.36 | kharcore | is there a guide in Debian where all this is explained? |
| 08:40.56 | tralala | kharcore: adduser (it will ask you for everything) |
| 08:41.00 | RvGaTe | kharcore, did you try man useradd ? |
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| 08:42.07 | kharcore | RvGaTe: I am in man useradd but I am not sure whether tha last part is Gentoo specific and if I need to do something different in Debian |
| 08:42.16 | liable | RvGaTe: 21,22,80,81,139,445,3306 all open |
| 08:42.33 | RvGaTe | liable, hmz... doesn't look so good... hehe |
| 08:42.54 | liable | 446 is filtered though :P |
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| 08:43.02 | liable | err, 436 |
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| 08:43.17 | RvGaTe | liable, what do you mean by "filtered" ? |
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| 08:44.02 | Kiirani | is it dangerous to cancel fsck, do you think ? It appears to be frozen. |
| 08:44.27 | RvGaTe | liable, 81 should be closed now... could you give that one a try? |
| 08:45.12 | kharcore | how can I undo this line :-( ? # useradd -m -G users,wheel,audio -s /bin/bash john |
| 08:45.19 | kharcore | I entered by mistake |
| 08:45.22 | liable | RvGaTe: i am not exactly sure what that means from a nmap, theres a service there, but its prolly sending a reset packaet or some shit |
| 08:45.31 | kharcore | and I don't have /bin/bash john |
| 08:45.40 | kharcore | I want to delete john |
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| 08:46.36 | tralala | kharcore: man deluser |
| 08:47.11 | anders__ | if i wanna play STEAM on Cedega, how do i do to install steam? |
| 08:47.33 | RvGaTe | anders__, #cedega |
| 08:48.41 | RvGaTe | liable, any idea what 139 and 445 could be ? |
| 08:49.02 | liable | RvGaTe: grep 139 /etc/services |
| 08:49.03 | k-man_ | is there a way to see the list of bad sectors according to the file system? |
| 08:49.28 | RvGaTe | liable, netbios session service... :S |
| 08:49.39 | tralala | k-man_: bad sectors and filesystems are unrelated |
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| 08:50.42 | k-man_ | tralala, yes, but badblocks tells the filesystem to put bad sectors into badblock files i thought? |
| 08:50.52 | dbe | How do I read .tex files? |
| 08:50.55 | kharcore | useradd -G sudo |
| 08:51.02 | kharcore | that isn't working |
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| 08:51.22 | k-man_ | deb, latex blah.tex; xdvi blah.dvi |
| 08:51.41 | k-man_ | s/deb/dbe |
| 08:51.46 | dbe | k-man, k |
| 08:51.49 | tralala | kharcore: is man useradd working? |
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| 08:52.04 | kharcore | tralala: yeah |
| 08:52.32 | dbe | How do I quit latex k-man? |
| 08:52.40 | k-man_ | err... |
| 08:52.46 | k-man_ | ctrl-c? |
| 08:52.50 | dbe | nope |
| 08:52.53 | k-man_ | you mean from the processor? |
| 08:52.55 | k-man_ | q? |
| 08:52.59 | k-man_ | i can';t remember |
| 08:53.12 | tralala | k-man_: it reports the numbers of the badblocks. Then it's up to the filesystem's tools to mark them as bad. The different filesystems probably have different ways (if any) of doing so. |
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| 08:53.37 | kharcore | is this line correct ?? useradd -G sudo |
| 08:53.39 | k-man_ | ok, so how can i see what the filesystem reports as marked bad blocks? in ext3? |
| 08:53.53 | kharcore | or useradd -G sudoer? |
| 08:53.55 | dbe | x |
| 08:54.32 | liable | kharcore: what are you trying to do? the sudoers file is for adding people to sudo |
| 08:55.06 | kharcore | liable: I am trying to add my current uses, myself, to sudo group |
| 08:55.30 | tralala | kharcore: adduser user group |
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| 08:55.44 | liable | kharcore: adduser kharcore sudoers |
| 08:56.04 | k-man_ | kharcore, afaik, you don't need to do that to give yourself and users access to sudo |
| 08:56.10 | liable | kharcore: as i said though, sudo is adminned from /etc/sudoers |
| 08:56.21 | k-man_ | unless your doing something non standard |
| 08:56.38 | kharcore | k-man_: lol ok |
| 08:56.47 | liable | kharcore: man visudo |
| 08:56.57 | kharcore | isn't working in anyway though |
| 08:57.00 | k-man_ | kharcore, what are you trying to acheive? |
| 08:57.02 | liable | and man sudoers |
| 08:57.56 | tralala | kharcore: what's your goal ultimately? Something like "I want to use apt-get directly from my user without changing to root" |
| 08:58.55 | kharcore | tralala: nope, my ultimate goal is to set a simple shutdown,reboot and log out dropdown option in fluxbox menu |
| 08:59.02 | kharcore | if that is too much to ask |
| 08:59.31 | kharcore | and from X I can write to /etc/sudoers in any way... |
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| 09:00.14 | tralala | kharcore: for everyone or for selected users only? |
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| 09:01.00 | kharcore | tralala: only for myself |
| 09:01.09 | kharcore | this isn't a public putter |
| 09:01.24 | Kiirani | :\ You know I always kinda liked having to jump on root and type the command to shut down / reboot |
| 09:01.47 | Kiirani | Stops my parents from "helping" me by turning the thing off |
| 09:02.04 | k-man_ | kharcore, log in as root and then run the visudo command |
| 09:02.10 | k-man_ | that will let you edit the sudoers file |
| 09:02.15 | k-man_ | add yourself |
| 09:02.19 | k-man_ | and that should be it |
| 09:02.49 | kharcore | Kiirani: that doesn't bother for me but when i install for other people having to drop to root through shell is like the end of the world, they curse linux as utter crap and extol the shutdown icon of m$$$, and pisses me off |
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| 09:03.32 | Kiirani | o.O why are they trying to shut it down, anyway? |
| 09:03.37 | kharcore | k-man_: thanks |
| 09:03.37 | tralala | kharcore: a) allow yourself to run /sbin/shutdown, etc without having to enter a password. See man sudoers; b) Add to the menu the command sudo /sbin/shutdown, etc; c) enjoy |
| 09:03.44 | sanmarcos | is gmail down for anybody else? |
| 09:04.03 | Kiirani | 'slong as you don't piss around with anything, you should be able to leave it up indefinitely |
| 09:04.24 | Kiirani | sanmarcos, nope. |
| 09:04.31 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, hmm thanjs |
| 09:04.45 | Kiirani | I would be very, very scared if gmail was down. |
| 09:04.59 | Kiirani | Google fails, and the world ends. |
| 09:06.15 | tralala | heh, I've always had the funny feeling that the would is a *bit* more stable than Google (or MS, IBM, <put your pick here>) |
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| 09:07.25 | tralala | s/would/world/ |
| 09:07.46 | Kiirani | :| Don't be silly. Google fails, there will be mass riots, governments will go down, order will cease to exist. |
| 09:07.52 | anders__ | why doesent my soundcard work? :S |
| 09:07.55 | Kiirani | People go INSANE without the ability to search for porn. |
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| 09:08.20 | minerale | What is the current status of the sudo vs su flamewars? I hear sudo's doing well |
| 09:08.23 | Kiirani | anders__, maybe it doesn't like you. |
| 09:08.35 | tralala | !doesn't work |
| 09:08.36 | dpkg_ | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:09.00 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, not google, but myspace |
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| 09:09.16 | anders__ | Kiirani: bad answer :) |
| 09:09.18 | Kiirani | myspace has porn? Sweet! |
| 09:09.22 | Kiirani | anders__, worse question. |
| 09:09.27 | anders__ | nope =) |
| 09:09.38 | anders__ | but what can be wrong..? |
| 09:09.58 | Kiirani | I'm sorry, please explain how I'm supposed to help when you ask, "why doesent my soundcard work? :S" |
| 09:10.10 | Kiirani | For all I know, it DOESN'T like you. |
| 09:10.16 | anders__ | it says like this: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found |
| 09:10.23 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, dont you know. Where is your "first magic ball" kit we sent you in the mail when you joined the channel? |
| 09:10.47 | cydork | anders__, /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 09:10.48 | Kiirani | :\ my debian ate it. |
| 09:11.13 | Kiirani | Like it ate my harddrive. |
| 09:11.39 | anders__ | it doesnt answer |
| 09:11.43 | anders__ | !alsa one-liner |
| 09:11.43 | dpkg_ | methinks alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 09:12.28 | RvGaTe | liable, could you do a portscan again? |
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| 09:13.10 | liable | RvGaTe: you could use that shields up service too. grsecurity.com iirc |
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| 09:14.29 | anders__ | cydork: why doesent it find my soundcard? |
| 09:14.42 | sanmarcos | liable, grc.com |
| 09:14.54 | sanmarcos | anders__, because it is hidding behind your other cards |
| 09:14.58 | sanmarcos | or maybe its lost |
| 09:15.04 | anders__ | it worked yesterday on winxp+ |
| 09:15.05 | anders__ | D: |
| 09:15.12 | sanmarcos | really? |
| 09:15.14 | Kiirani | anders__, no, really? |
| 09:15.25 | Kiirani | anders__, what sound card are you using ? What driver? |
| 09:15.31 | sanmarcos | anders__, by the way, which distribution are you running? |
| 09:15.46 | anders__ | debian .. |
| 09:15.50 | Kiirani | o.O Debian, I hope. This is #debian.. |
| 09:15.53 | anders__ | Kiirani: how can i see? |
| 09:16.01 | Kiirani | anders__, lspci | grep audio ? |
| 09:16.15 | anders__ | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1) |
| 09:16.25 | anders__ | thats only thing that is there :o |
| 09:16.39 | Kiirani | Right. So install the driver for that. |
| 09:16.41 | Kiirani | Hum |
| 09:16.46 | Kiirani | Actually, try lscpi |
| 09:16.53 | anders__ | ? |
| 09:16.54 | Kiirani | and pull up anything that looks relevant |
| 09:17.25 | anders__ | dont find |
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| 09:17.32 | liable | anders__: run 'update-pciids' |
| 09:17.34 | anders__ | but i know that my mother board is: nVIDIA nForce2 |
| 09:17.48 | anders__ | liable: done, then? |
| 09:18.03 | tralala | lspci | grep audio |
| 09:18.09 | liable | anders__: then lspci should show better info |
| 09:18.30 | sanmarcos | !nfroce2 |
| 09:18.31 | anders__ | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP2S AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 09:18.34 | sanmarcos | !nfore2 |
| 09:18.39 | sanmarcos | !nforc2 |
| 09:18.42 | sanmarcos | fuck |
| 09:18.46 | liable | !typosmite sanmarcos |
| 09:18.49 | anders__ | !nforce2 |
| 09:18.49 | dpkg_ | i guess nforce2 is not quite supported with 2.4.x kernels... yet |
| 09:18.50 | Kiirani | Alright. Well I'm not sure how alsa on debian goes exactly, but tried going into your kernel and searching under device drivers and sound for drivers that match your soundcard? |
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| 09:19.03 | anders__ | liable: u saw my soundcard? |
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| 09:19.37 | liable | anders__: yep, i have no idea what sound modules it uses though. feed that lspci line into google |
| 09:20.01 | wols_ | i810 for nforce2 audio |
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| 09:20.10 | anders__ | wols_: ? |
| 09:20.13 | wols_ | and nvidia itself gives out some exceedingly crappy driver too |
| 09:20.18 | sanmarcos | anders__, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_nForce2_hw_mixing its gentoo, but you might find it useful |
| 09:20.21 | wols_ | anders__: the driver you need |
| 09:20.23 | liable | i810 is oss innit? |
| 09:20.36 | wols_ | there are i810 drivers for both, alsa and oss |
| 09:20.43 | liable | oh |
| 09:21.00 | anders__ | sanmarcos: will that work for debian? |
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| 09:21.09 | sanmarcos | anders__, if you know how to adapt it |
| 09:21.41 | anders__ | shall i follow th e kernel 2.6 guide? |
| 09:21.45 | anders__ | cd /usr/src/linux |
| 09:21.47 | anders__ | make menuconfig etc |
| 09:21.55 | sanmarcos | what gives, sure |
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| 09:22.30 | Kiirani | Oh awesome. Now it fsck won't even TRY and check it. |
| 09:22.36 | liable | anders__: eh? what kernel do you have now? |
| 09:22.51 | Kiirani | anders__, er, well that depends, where do you keep your kernel sources, and what kernel version? |
| 09:22.57 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, what is your problem my brother? |
| 09:22.57 | tralala | anders__: cat /proc/version |
| 09:23.03 | anders__ | i got 2.6 kernal |
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| 09:23.06 | Kiirani | sanmarcos, sister. No, really. |
| 09:23.08 | wols_ | anders__: just install a debian 2.6 kernel. you're not ready for compiling your own kernel |
| 09:23.14 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, hahaha |
| 09:23.19 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, touch /forcefsck ? |
| 09:23.26 | anders__ | Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 09:23.31 | sanmarcos | wols_, but it wont have the nvidia nforce shit |
| 09:23.36 | anders__ | wols_: i got 2.6? |
| 09:23.37 | Kiirani | sanmarcos, http://kiirani.com/debianissues <-- That's my problem <3 brand new install too |
| 09:23.53 | Kiirani | and fsck is freezing when I run it under my existing gentoo install |
| 09:23.55 | tralala | anders__: and alsaconf doesn't pick the card? |
| 09:23.58 | Kiirani | forgot to write down where it's freezing |
| 09:24.00 | anders__ | nope tralala :S |
| 09:24.03 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, drive is fscked? |
| 09:24.03 | Kiirani | so I booted to a gentoo install cd to run it |
| 09:24.05 | peterS | Kiirani: fsck freezing is rarely a good sign :| |
| 09:24.06 | wols_ | sanmarcos: nvidia nforce shit accoding to that howto needs to be downloaded from nvidia anyways |
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| 09:24.15 | sanmarcos | wols_, anyways, I could care less |
| 09:24.25 | sanmarcos | wols_ ubuntu would probably work out of the box for anders__ |
| 09:24.27 | Kiirani | sanmarcos, no, it froze halfway. I should just give up and throw the thing out the window. |
| 09:24.28 | wols_ | anders__: and, if you follow that howto, there won't be any ALSA at all |
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| 09:24.56 | anders__ | tralala: how do i fix my soundcard then? |
| 09:25.04 | wols_ | Kiirani: have you run a smartmontools test yet? |
| 09:25.20 | Kiirani | No, I haven't. What exactly is that? |
| 09:25.23 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, yes its good to vent out anger, specially with p.o.s hardware/software |
| 09:25.29 | wols_ | !find smartmontools |
| 09:25.37 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, try to fix it, if it doesnt it, just buy something that works |
| 09:25.42 | sanmarcos | dpkg_, smartmontools |
| 09:25.43 | dpkg_ | Debian Search of 'smartmontools' (2): (/usr/share/insserv/overrides/smartmontools) in misc/insserv ;; (/etc/init.d/smartmontools, /etc/default/smartmontools, /usr/share/bug/smartmontools) in utils/smartmontools. |
| 09:25.55 | Kiirani | sanmarcos, no money :( otherwise I would have replaced this laptop years ago |
| 09:25.55 | sanmarcos | !smartmontools |
| 09:26.14 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, I know some nigerian people who have helped me get money |
| 09:26.35 | sanmarcos | Kiirani, but if the hd is blown, just try eBay for a replacement, although I wouldnt buy used hds |
| 09:26.46 | Kiirani | It's a laptop :\ |
| 09:27.09 | sanmarcos | but the hd is hosed? what brand is the laptop? |
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| 09:27.23 | Kiirani | IBM thinkpad, about 3 years old. |
| 09:27.27 | sanmarcos | i just want to know so I wont buy from them.. not that I can help you |
| 09:27.33 | Kiirani | Hahaha. |
| 09:27.35 | sanmarcos | I heard thinkpads were good |
| 09:27.37 | tijn | morning |
| 09:27.43 | Kiirani | It's been reasonably good to me. |
| 09:27.51 | sanmarcos | have you abused it? |
| 09:27.51 | wols_ | sanmarcos: it probably uses hitachi/ibm harddisks :) |
| 09:27.56 | Kiirani | Oh god yes. |
| 09:28.02 | Kiirani | I used to take it to school. |
| 09:28.04 | liable | Kiirani: you can get fairly cheap new 2.5 drives these days |
| 09:28.11 | anders__ | can anyone help me with my soundcard..? |
| 09:28.23 | tralala | anders__: it seems that you'll be much better if you go to the shop next corner and buy a 8$ soundcard |
| 09:28.24 | Kiirani | anders__, no :p |
| 09:28.33 | anders__ | no tralala ! |
| 09:28.37 | anders__ | but how do i install it then? :D |
| 09:28.41 | sanmarcos | tralala, hahaha |
| 09:28.50 | wols_ | tralala: he'd need to install a driver for that soundcard too. back to square one |
| 09:28.55 | sanmarcos | tralala, that is very good advice |
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| 09:29.11 | sanmarcos | 8$ soundcard, hahaha, what an s.o.b! this guy, funny stuff |
| 09:29.17 | liable | Kiirani: be carefull though, some drives wont work because of the stupid IBM bios |
| 09:29.28 | tralala | wols_: but there will be one (hopefully) |
| 09:29.31 | peterS | liable: I thought that only applied to wireless cards |
| 09:29.32 | sanmarcos | anders__, check out the linux hardware compaitiblity list, find something reasonabely priced, and buy it |
| 09:29.42 | liable | peterS: nope, drives too. |
| 09:29.42 | Kiirani | liable, er, I can't even work out how to get the keyboard off this laptop to clean it, let alone get the whole thing open and replace the hdd. |
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| 09:30.07 | tralala | Kiirani: I have a thinkpad and sure enough the hdd died. I've replaced it with a toshiba one. |
| 09:30.15 | liable | Kiirani: on my two TP's the hard drive is a one screw affair |
| 09:30.16 | peterS | Kiirani: dunno about thinkpads but in many laptops, the hard drive is in a little compartment in the bottom of the case, just one screw |
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| 09:30.30 | Kiirani | .. Oooh, really? |
| 09:30.48 | peterS | yeah, check for the warm spot on the bottom of the laptop, it's either the CPU or the hard drive |
| 09:30.48 | Kiirani | Okay that's not so hard at all then. |
| 09:30.49 | liable | Kiirani: download the maintanance manual |
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| 09:31.59 | anders__ | but how do i plug in the sound card? |
| 09:32.17 | sanmarcos | that is a total qotd |
| 09:32.28 | anders__ | in the same place that i put network cards? |
| 09:32.31 | Kiirani | anders__, push it into a PCI slot? It's pretty obvious where it fits.. |
| 09:32.35 | peterS | sanmarcos: it is not. sound cards are not always internal |
| 09:32.43 | sanmarcos | peterS, ahh good point |
| 09:32.56 | Fubarovic | i'm having trouble with my system clock: i told debian it's set to UTC and i specified my timezone but then tzselect suggests a time that's 2 hours early of UTC |
| 09:33.07 | anders__ | PCI slot = same as networkcard? |
| 09:33.10 | anders__ | as i asked |
| 09:33.11 | peterS | anders__: if the sound card has a PCI connector (most of them do), you plug it into any of those long white slots on the motherboard. yes. |
| 09:33.14 | Fubarovic | how do i see what time my system clock (bios clock) is at? |
| 09:33.20 | Kiirani | anders__, unless you've got an ISA network card.. |
| 09:33.29 | Cale | Hello, I'm running Debian, but not a Debian kernel, so I don't know how much help I can expect with this one, but I'll ask anyway in case anyone has any ideas. |
| 09:33.36 | Kiirani | ... Yes, same as the network card :P |
| 09:33.39 | peterS | anders__: PCI = white plastic slot, ISA = black plastic slot, EISA = brown plastic slot. simple. (: |
| 09:34.04 | tralala | anders__: mostly yes. It will easily fit where it belongs. Do not *force* it! |
| 09:34.32 | peterS | Cale: we support non-debian kernels, for most questions. go ahead.. |
| 09:34.44 | Cale | My /dev/hdd doesn't work (No such device or address). /proc/ide/hdd/model says (correctly) PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, but /proc/ide/hdd/driver is giving ide-default version 0.9.newide, rather than ide-cdrom version 4.61, like I'd expect. Any ideas why that might happen? |
| 09:34.50 | sanmarcos | Fubarovic, hwclock |
| 09:34.53 | wols_ | anders__: why do you want another soundcard? |
| 09:34.57 | Cale | My other CD/DVD drive works fine. |
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| 09:35.05 | anders__ | will it fit to this: http://www.asrock.com/product/K7NF2-RAID.htm |
| 09:35.09 | anders__ | wols_: becouse its wrong at mine? |
| 09:35.27 | Fubarovic | thx sanmarcos |
| 09:35.49 | Fubarovic | hwclock gives me the UTC time but says "CEST" |
| 09:35.51 | peterS | Cale: so uh ... what's your other CD/DVD drive? |
| 09:35.51 | wols_ | anders__: you have a perfectly fine working card. you could maybe get a SBLive somewhere but any $8 soundcard is as bad or worse than a mobo integrated one |
| 09:35.57 | Fubarovic | any idea how i can correct that? |
| 09:36.02 | sanmarcos | Fubarovic, man hwclock |
| 09:36.06 | peterS | Cale: are you using the 'ide-scsi' module, or just the 'ide-cd' module? |
| 09:36.08 | anders__ | wols_: will a PCI work for mine? |
| 09:36.15 | Fubarovic | i tried changing the bios clock, but i couldn't find the option |
| 09:36.19 | Fubarovic | ok, thx again sanmarcos :) |
| 09:36.24 | wols_ | anders__: of course it will. but you still need to install drivers. same things |
| 09:36.35 | peterS | Cale: also, are you passing 'hdd=scsi' or similar to the kernel command line? (if so, don't.) |
| 09:36.35 | tralala | wols_: did you say that nvidia uses the i810 driver? |
| 09:36.38 | anders__ | but how do i do tthen? |
| 09:36.45 | Cale | peterS: actually, hang on, I have one idea -- yes, that's it :) |
| 09:36.49 | wols_ | tralala: yes I do. i810 aka AC97 driver |
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| 09:36.56 | wols_ | name is i810 tho |
| 09:37.02 | peterS | Cale: right, the effect of 'hdd=scsi' is to tell the ide-cd driver not to touch it (: |
| 09:37.03 | linux_user400354 | i accidently screwed up my gnome menu |
| 09:37.11 | Cale | peterS: I just recalled that I might have something like that hanging around from a long time ago :) |
| 09:37.11 | linux_user400354 | is there a way to get it back to the default? |
| 09:37.12 | tralala | wols_: do you happen to know the alsa module name? |
| 09:37.22 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, eh define screwed up |
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| 09:37.36 | wols_ | tralala: there is only one with "i810" in the name. and alsa-project.org will tell you too |
| 09:37.51 | linux_user400354 | sanmarcos: are you going to TSU? |
| 09:37.57 | peterS | Cale: even with late 2.4 kernels you don't really need ide-scsi, with 2.6 kernels you definitely don't. 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd' works best these days |
| 09:38.08 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, TSU? |
| 09:38.16 | linux_user400354 | texas state university |
| 09:38.17 | tralala | wols_: the search for i810 in 2.6.8 didn't return anything alsa-like |
| 09:38.23 | wols_ | tralala: snd-intel8x0.ko |
| 09:38.26 | ktwilight | i'm getting a bunch of >> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `PackageName' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. << what should i do? :/ |
| 09:38.28 | linux_user400354 | it is in san marcos, texas |
| 09:38.46 | sanmarcos | no, i am sick of that question |
| 09:39.02 | tralala | anders__: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 09:39.09 | Kiirani | At least you don't get random people babbling at you in foreign languages. |
| 09:39.14 | tralala | wols_: thanks |
| 09:39.16 | sanmarcos | sanmarcos > san = saint. It is just a display of my enlarged ego |
| 09:39.21 | peterS | Kiirani: foreign languages? |
| 09:39.40 | peterS | sanmarcos: are you running MarcOS, then? |
| 09:39.46 | peterS | MarcOS X |
| 09:39.46 | Kiirani | peterS, yeah, some people seem to think I come from whatever country they do based purely on my nick ^_^ |
| 09:39.55 | sanmarcos | peterS, yes, I have a screenshot |
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| 09:40.26 | anders__ | tralala: ? |
| 09:40.30 | RvGaTe | liable, ah, filtered port basicly means that the request is rejected instead of timeout (closed).. |
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| 09:40.47 | tralala | anders__: just type this in a root shell |
| 09:40.47 | peterS | Kiirani: interesting. your nick looks a bit Swahili, perhaps, but I don't know that I'd just assume that (: |
| 09:40.50 | liable | RvGaTe: yeah, packet just dropped, so the man page says |
| 09:41.01 | sanmarcos | RvGaTe, filtered isnt good anyways, just dont answer |
| 09:41.15 | liable | RvGaTe: oh, you still had 5 ports open btw |
| 09:41.23 | RvGaTe | liable, wich one ? |
| 09:41.23 | linux_user400354 | sanmarcos: how many times do you get asked if you go to tsu? |
| 09:41.27 | abrocadabro | does anyone have intel duo cpu on smp kernel? my first cpu does scale down, only the second one does, any ideas? |
| 09:41.28 | Kiirani | peterS, yes, that's what a friend said when I brought it up, but it doesn't really matter, because I made it up :p and it doesn't appear to mean anything in any other languages. |
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| 09:41.41 | anders__ | now tralala ? |
| 09:41.43 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, once a day, if I live in sanmarcos texas, california. |
| 09:41.43 | anders__ | nothing happened |
| 09:41.47 | peterS | Kiirani: heh. does it have any relation to your real name or is it _purely_ invented? |
| 09:41.49 | liable | RvGaTe: 22,90,139,445,3306 |
| 09:41.52 | tralala | anders__: run alsamixer |
| 09:41.59 | RvGaTe | 90=80 i asume |
| 09:42.05 | anders__ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 09:42.08 | liable | ya |
| 09:42.09 | Tallu | Kiirani: well it means "my Kiira" in finnish, kiira being a girl's name :P |
| 09:42.22 | liable | RvGaTe: you prolly dont want mysql listening on the net.. |
| 09:42.24 | peterS | Tallu: heh |
| 09:42.29 | tralala | anders__: egrep inter |
| 09:42.35 | RvGaTe | liable, just for now, ill disable that one later |
| 09:42.41 | Kiirani | peterS, well my real name starts with K so I'm probably subconsciously attracted to K. but apart from that, it just sounded pretty :p |
| 09:42.51 | Kiirani | Tallu, really? Cool. |
| 09:42.55 | peterS | Kiirani: *nod*. I'm a bit less imaginative, as you can see |
| 09:43.00 | tralala | anders__: egrep intel|i810 /proc/modules |
| 09:43.22 | peterS | tralala: you need quotes on that |
| 09:43.25 | anders__ | command not found |
| 09:43.31 | tralala | right |
| 09:43.33 | peterS | ...as we can see |
| 09:43.41 | tralala | anders__: egrep 'intel|i810' /proc/modules |
| 09:43.44 | Kiirani | Lol. yeah, well I've kept this one for two years or so, so I'm not really so imaginative as I seem. |
| 09:43.49 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, but I actually live in Argentina, where there is DirectTV in ghettos |
| 09:44.54 | peterS | too bad I don't actually know any Swahili |
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| 09:45.03 | sanmarcos | that was a tense moment |
| 09:45.09 | anders__ | it comes a few things |
| 09:45.13 | sanmarcos | indeed |
| 09:45.21 | tralala | anders__: pastebin them |
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| 09:47.19 | anders__ | http://pastebin.ca/131076 |
| 09:48.35 | linux_user400354 | sanmarcos: i do not live very far from san marcos, texas. the school is good there but i would rather go to the school in Austin texas. |
| 09:48.36 | tralala | anders__: pastebin the output of "dmesg | tail -50" |
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| 09:49.57 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, is it boring? |
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| 09:50.48 | linux_user400354 | sanmarcos: san marcos is not a very big town. its not boring. it has a river and lots to do. i like austin texas better. it is bigger and there is more to do. |
| 09:50.55 | firepol | hi, I need to take a look at the iptables configuration file... the question is: where to find it? |
| 09:51.09 | MicettoNero | hi all. Can i create a deb package with distutils (python)? |
| 09:51.16 | anders__ | ESS AudioDrive ES18xx soundcard not found or device busy |
| 09:51.36 | firepol | /etc/default/iptables doesnt contain any rule... |
| 09:51.39 | anders__ | Sound Blaster 16 soundcard not found or device busy, In case, if you have AWE card, try snd-sbawe module |
| 09:51.45 | sanmarcos | fireba11, iptables -L |
| 09:51.54 | sanmarcos | fireba11, check iptables-save |
| 09:52.02 | pir | hi! got a pb : full disk will it cause damage (like reboot)? |
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| 09:52.42 | firepol | thanks sanmarcball |
| 09:52.54 | tralala | firepol: do you have any rules loaded actually? |
| 09:52.55 | firepol | ;) |
| 09:52.55 | liable | haha |
| 09:53.10 | fireba11 | sanmarcos wrong nickcompletion :-) |
| 09:53.21 | liable | again! |
| 09:53.23 | tijn | hehe |
| 09:53.35 | firepol | hehe |
| 09:53.51 | tijn | erhm what could lock the mail file? i see: Failed or refused to load /var/mail/tijn in syslog |
| 09:53.58 | firepol | i have some rules but now im reading the man pages of the commands sanmarcos gave me, thanks again |
| 09:54.05 | sanmarcos | fireba11, that was for oyu |
| 09:54.20 | sanmarcos | fireba11, if you want to save/load them just put this in yoru /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:54.32 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.32 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.58 | fireba11 | sanmarcos no it wasn't :-) |
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| 09:55.07 | linux_user400354 | if you are using gnome, push alt f2 and type `free the fish` |
| 09:55.10 | sanmarcos | fireba11, sorry, firepol that was for oyu |
| 09:55.19 | sanmarcos | linux_user400354, yes, the fish is getting a facelift in .16 |
| 09:55.24 | tralala | !fix sanmarcos |
| 09:55.24 | liable | ooh, i have guiness i forgot about.. |
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| 09:56.06 | firepol | sanmarcos, ok ;) |
| 09:56.17 | tralala | anders__: unload all the snd_<something> modules that you will find with lsmod |
| 09:56.21 | firepol | sanmarcos: thanks again. im checking the commands you gave me |
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| 09:57.40 | anders__ | tralala: how? |
| 09:57.52 | anders__ | snd_ac97_codec 59268 = soundcard |
| 09:58.22 | tijn | erhm what could lock the mail file? i see: Failed or refused to load /var/mail/tijn in syslog |
| 09:58.30 | tralala | anders__: modprobe -r <modulename>. Or better yet - pastebin the full output of lsmod |
| 09:58.37 | tijn | after a 3 week holliday btw |
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| 09:59.07 | pir | how to redirect the home folder in an other hard drive? (from dev/hda3 to /dev/hda5) |
| 09:59.11 | sanmarcos | Tidus, try lsof or fuser |
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| 09:59.19 | sanmarcos | pir, redirect? |
| 09:59.27 | sanmarcos | pir, try man ln |
| 09:59.35 | pir | ok |
| 09:59.38 | tralala | pir: the whole /home tree or only a specific user dir? |
| 09:59.48 | pir | whole |
| 10:00.07 | anders__ | tralala: shall i poste the hole lsmdo? |
| 10:00.09 | anders__ | mod |
| 10:00.21 | sanmarcos | tijn, try lsof or fuser |
| 10:00.26 | tralala | anders__: use pastebin |
| 10:00.26 | sanmarcos | tab completion is killing me today |
| 10:00.34 | tijn | sanmarcos: i guess you ment me ;) but dir is not in use, if i create a new /var/mail/ file, it works |
| 10:00.43 | anders__ | http://pastebin.ca/131091 |
| 10:00.45 | sanmarcos | tijn, then? |
| 10:00.45 | anders__ | tralala: there |
| 10:00.54 | sl1ck | could someone tell me the correct values for guid and uid in fstab in order for the user to be able to read ntfs volumes? |
| 10:00.58 | sanmarcos | tijn, /var/mail/user is created by your MTA |
| 10:01.01 | tijn | but i still need all my mail from the past 3 weeks |
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| 10:01.11 | sanmarcos | tijn, procmail can lock it, check that you use :0L |
| 10:01.15 | sanmarcos | :0: sorry |
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| 10:02.10 | kharcore | hhi |
| 10:02.19 | kharcore | how can I check what resolution I am using? |
| 10:02.22 | kharcore | I don't know |
| 10:02.37 | tralala | anders__: modprobe -r snd-intel8x0; modprobe snd-intel8x0; dmesg | tail -10 |
| 10:03.12 | anders__ | write that all on the time |
| 10:03.13 | anders__ | ? |
| 10:03.46 | multi_io | kharcore: xdpyinfo |
| 10:03.47 | anders__ | Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 461211 |
| 10:03.48 | anders__ | lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 |
| 10:03.48 | anders__ | scsi2 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 10:03.53 | anders__ | FAT bread failed in fat_clusters_flush |
| 10:04.12 | tralala | pir: tar cC /home . | tar xC <the mount point of the new partition>, edit fstab and add a mount point for /home |
| 10:06.12 | tralala | anders__: try a newer kernel from backports.org. After modprobe snd-inter8x0 alsamixer should work. If it doesn't you'd better off buying a PCI soundcard. |
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| 10:07.16 | tijn | sanmarcos: nothing.. |
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| 10:07.45 | sanmarcos | tijn, try fuser /var/mail |
| 10:07.55 | sanmarcos | tijn, try fuser /var/mail/user sorry, |
| 10:08.07 | tijn | also nothing |
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| 10:08.45 | sanmarcos | then nothing is using those files |
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| 10:08.54 | pir | tralala, ( I closed accidently the windows could you send it back to me?) |
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| 10:09.11 | tijn | i know, but it doesnt work, very wierd |
| 10:09.12 | tralala | pir: tar cC /home . | tar xC <the mount point of the new partition>, edit fstab and add a mount point for /home |
| 10:09.26 | pir | tralala, thanks |
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| 10:09.52 | sanmarcos | pir, DONT |
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| 10:10.10 | sanmarcos | pir, add -p when extracting |
| 10:10.14 | sanmarcos | else all your permissions will be lost |
| 10:10.23 | sanmarcos | man tar |
| 10:10.25 | pir | sanmarcos, ... |
| 10:10.27 | pir | oki |
| 10:10.39 | sanmarcos | read the manpage before you do anything dangerous |
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| 10:11.16 | pir | sanmarcos: is it possible to create a new folder in the other hard drive first? |
| 10:11.21 | amortvigil | help my xserver says failed to initialize core diivises |
| 10:11.24 | tralala | sanmarcos: according to the manual -p is the default behaviour when used as root (as it should be) |
| 10:11.24 | pir | to copy all in this one |
| 10:11.33 | amortvigil | it is about the root |
| 10:11.45 | amortvigil | ehh about the mouse driver |
| 10:11.58 | sanmarcos | tralala, better to be safe on all cases |
| 10:12.08 | sanmarcos | pir, yes |
| 10:12.32 | pir | sanmarcos: and then use the ln command? |
| 10:12.47 | sanmarcos | pir, sorry I dont know really what you are trying to do |
| 10:12.55 | tralala | sanmarcos: you have a point |
| 10:12.59 | sanmarcos | pir, I just told you to use -p if you use tar |
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| 10:13.40 | pir | sanmarcos ok ... will try to read man pages first and do it on my own |
| 10:13.52 | tijn | iam away for a while |
| 10:13.53 | sanmarcos | pir, what are you trying to do, detailed? |
| 10:14.54 | tralala | pir: basicly there are three steps: 1) copy the home dirs; 2) add the new mount point; 3) if everything is fine you can delete the old home (note that the new one should be unmounted first) |
| 10:14.55 | pir | sanmarcos: i try to change all my home folder in an other hard drive. |
| 10:15.20 | sanmarcos | ... |
| 10:15.26 | amortvigil | what can i do if the core divices fail to wor in xserver |
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| 10:15.42 | sanmarcos | you can just cp -R /mnt/harddrive1/home /mnt/harddrive2/ |
| 10:15.54 | sanmarcos | !xrr |
| 10:15.59 | sanmarcos | !xdrr |
| 10:16.04 | tralala | !drxx |
| 10:16.04 | dpkg_ | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 10:16.41 | sanmarcos | pir, that question might be better answered in #bash . more expertise on such kind of thing |
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| 10:18.42 | Cale | By the way, yeah, that was it, thanks :) |
| 10:19.13 | peterS | Cale: the ide-scsi kernel parameter? good to know I can still guess right on this stuff once in awhile (: |
| 10:19.18 | Cale | :) |
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| 10:24.43 | mariust | im having a problem with openoffice, sometimes it wont start without me deleting .sversionrc and .openoffice, why could that be? |
| 10:25.05 | mariust | (sarge and oo.org 1.0.something) |
| 10:25.14 | amortvigil | how can i find out what my mouse driver for my laptop is? |
| 10:25.17 | mariust | 1.1.3 |
| 10:26.17 | tijn | hmm still no luck |
| 10:26.28 | tijn | could it be that the mail file is too big? |
| 10:26.32 | tijn | 300 mb? |
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| 10:27.05 | sanmarcos | for mbox, it can |
| 10:27.22 | RvGaTe | Anyone experienced with firehol? im having some troubles when starting it... getting this error: Stopping: /etc/default/firehol forbids it. |
| 10:27.22 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.28 | sanmarcos | amortvigil, why do you need to know?, try lsmod |
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| 10:30.32 | liable | RvGaTe: yes, edit the default file.. |
| 10:31.00 | RvGaTe | liable, i just edited as you typed... :S had to change NO to YES.... stupid me... |
| 10:31.19 | tijn | mmh trying mboxcheck |
| 10:31.22 | liable | RvGaTe: they are normally there to not run stuff untill you configure it |
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| 10:34.27 | baua | has somebody some experiences with debian-installer preseeding? |
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| 10:36.05 | RvGaTe | liable, should be completely closed down now, except ftp, ssh and http |
| 10:36.06 | vahid | hello! |
| 10:36.29 | blondie | HAI |
| 10:36.34 | RvGaTe | Hey! |
| 10:37.02 | vahid | i can't connect (remote) to my mysql , mysql run under debian server and netstat -l -t tell mysql list 3306 port. |
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| 10:37.17 | RvGaTe | vahid, what error are you getting? |
| 10:37.19 | vahid | any help? |
| 10:38.01 | tralala | vahid: check your bind address in the config file. If it's 127.0.0.1 then you need to change it to connect remotely. |
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| 10:38.27 | vahid | RvGaTe, telnet 192.168.123.31 3306 --> Connection refused |
| 10:38.49 | vahid | tralala, which config? mysql? |
| 10:38.53 | tralala | yes |
| 10:39.06 | vahid | tralala, on server? |
| 10:39.11 | tralala | yes |
| 10:39.21 | amortvigil | where is the xfree86 config file? |
| 10:39.25 | vahid | tralala, which file? |
| 10:39.41 | tralala | vahid: I don't know - see the manuals |
| 10:40.11 | vahid | tralala, ok, tnx |
| 10:40.15 | sep | amortvigil, /etc/X11/XF86Config[-4] |
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| 10:40.27 | tralala | amortvigil: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Better yet dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:41.12 | liable | RvGaTe: all ports blocked |
| 10:41.45 | RvGaTe | liable, all? |
| 10:41.49 | liable | yes |
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| 10:42.03 | RvGaTe | liable, 21, 80 and 22 should be open tho |
| 10:42.07 | vahid | tralala, bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:42.23 | vahid | tralala, if i change it then can i connect local? |
| 10:43.11 | tralala | vahid: depends how you will change it and how you will attempt to connect localy. Why don't you see what the manual has to say? |
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| 10:43.39 | vahid | tralala, i check it :-) |
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| 10:44.24 | liable | RvGaTe: they are |
| 10:44.59 | RvGaTe | liable, i hope thats anough security... |
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| 10:46.27 | tralala | RvGaTe: security is never enough |
| 10:46.39 | liable | RvGaTe: wait untill you start seeing ssh password attempts in your logs... |
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| 10:46.42 | DerJamster | Be paranoid ;) |
| 10:47.08 | DerJamster | liable: I removed most of these by changing the port :) All automatec scans just WOOSH by. |
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| 10:47.26 | liable | DerJamster: i use keys and block after 3 failed attempts |
| 10:47.38 | DerJamster | Same here :> |
| 10:47.43 | DerJamster | passworded keys tho. |
| 10:48.47 | tralala | Being paranoid is like being rich - you can never be too much. |
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| 10:48.57 | DerJamster | heh :D |
| 10:48.59 | DerJamster | True. |
| 10:49.21 | DerJamster | Another nice thing to run regularly are logcheck, rkhunter, chkrootkit and tiger |
| 10:49.36 | sanmarcos | tiger takes -for- ever |
| 10:49.38 | is_null | HELLO EVEYBODY, I JUST APTED PHP5 AND I GET CD : COMMAND NOT FOUND, SAME FOR APT, LS ETC ... ANY IDEA PLEASE ? THIS IS A REAL CRISIS |
| 10:49.47 | DerJamster | sanmarcos: comment out what you don't need in the conf :P |
| 10:50.01 | sanmarcos | DerJamster, the debian stuff mainly |
| 10:50.04 | liable | is_null: your caps lock is stuck on!!! |
| 10:50.14 | is_null | thank you, i must change that font |
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| 10:50.40 | DerJamster | sanmarcos: it's on a cron on my server. I only see the end result :) It's worth it tho. Found a few things I missed. |
| 10:50.41 | blondie | yes it was |
| 10:50.41 | liable | haha |
| 10:50.47 | tralala | chkrootkit was reporting every error message from syslog. I deleted it when I realized I didn't read its reports because of this. |
| 10:50.49 | liable | thats qotd material |
| 10:51.04 | DerJamster | tralala: eh? You mean logcheck, right? |
| 10:51.09 | sanmarcos | DerJamster, it produces crap warnings also, do you use cron-apt also?.. I havent yet gotten to configuring tiger |
| 10:51.24 | tralala | DerJamster: oh, yes. |
| 10:51.26 | DerJamster | sanmarcos: no, just the normal cron and crontab for editing entries. |
| 10:51.36 | sanmarcos | logcheck is the best, I just use it in my server |
| 10:51.41 | sanmarcos | DerJamster, err cron apt is something else |
| 10:51.53 | sanmarcos | liable, indeed, let see if peterS approves |
| 10:52.01 | DerJamster | I got logcheck running every 10 mins here :> Server of course..on the desktop it'd drive me nuts |
| 10:52.11 | DerJamster | sanmarcos: you mean automated apt updating or something? |
| 10:52.19 | sanmarcos | DerJamster, yes, my brother |
| 10:52.24 | DerJamster | nah. Running unstable, I shouldn't do that ;) |
| 10:52.25 | liable | sanmarcos: no need for an op to approve, anyone can modify dpkg's database (well, most things) |
| 10:52.31 | sanmarcos | DerJamster, I just put it to one hour |
| 10:52.42 | DerJamster | sanmarcos: good for stable tho, yeah :> |
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| 10:54.17 | DerJamster | Also, grsecurity is very nice. |
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| 10:54.29 | sanmarcos | grsecurity, got to check it out |
| 10:54.40 | sanmarcos | bastille is very nice also |
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| 10:55.52 | DerJamster | grsecurity's a kernel patch. protects from some buffer overflows, protects kernel mem, lets users only see certain things in /proc (only their own processes etc.) |
| 10:56.05 | DerJamster | also it checks /etc/security/limits during every -exec-, not login :> |
| 10:56.31 | DerJamster | also brings with it a RBAC system, similiar to selinux..just easiert to set up ;P |
| 10:56.41 | Netcad | hi was transfering my website from one server to another server. it was uploading. but it is not completely uploaded. file name is ".pureftpd-upload.44d7c47c.15.b7e.904a01aa" . Can i repair this file? |
| 10:56.43 | sanmarcos | is it included in debian? |
| 10:57.02 | DerJamster | sanmarcos: not sure..I always go for kernel.org kernels and grab it at grsecurity.net |
| 10:57.21 | DerJamster | yeah, seems like the patch is in apt tho |
| 10:57.29 | DerJamster | dunno how fresh the version is. |
| 10:58.10 | DerJamster | There's quite alot to set up in the kernel conf with it tho, so expect to be busy for a while ;P |
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| 11:08.09 | marco22 | the hamster! DerJamster |
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| 11:11.23 | biz | from the mysql command line client, after logging in and doing 'use database;', how can i delete everything thats within this database without deleting the db itself? |
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| 11:14.42 | sanmarcos | biz, help DELETE |
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| 11:17.29 | FernandoM | Hello, i'm having some problems with Silan SC92031 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter. I tried both kernel 2.4 and 2.6 from sarge, but they didn't detected this network card. Does anyone know if it works and how can i make it work? |
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| 11:19.46 | marco22 | FernandoM: try google ? |
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| 11:20.22 | sep | FernandoM, have you tried modprobe sc92031 |
| 11:21.02 | FernandoM | marco22: tried, the say i have to compile a kernel module that only works on kernel 2.4. But i can't do make install because it complains about kernel's .config. |
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| 11:21.58 | sep | FernandoM, did you copy your .config from /boot/config* ? |
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| 11:22.31 | Hoxzer | what was that libary that will decrypt commercial dvd's? |
| 11:22.32 | FernandoM | sep, actually no, should this work? |
| 11:22.35 | Hoxzer | libdvdcss or something |
| 11:22.43 | FernandoM | sep, yes i copied |
| 11:22.52 | sep | FernandoM, but if it is a pci card the obvious solution would be to replace the thing with a known working card where you dont have to compile kernel modules |
| 11:23.25 | sep | FernandoM, you didnt say how it complained so hard to tell. but that's the config that the kernel-image was built with. |
| 11:23.42 | Hoxzer | ? |
| 11:24.05 | my007ms | is there something like Fortune |
| 11:24.10 | my007ms | i don't find it |
| 11:24.18 | sanmarcos | fortune maybe? |
| 11:24.32 | sep | !libdvdcss |
| 11:24.32 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat> |
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| 11:26.58 | liable | hehe |
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| 11:27.24 | zugu | hello |
| 11:27.32 | zugu | does debian use ESS? |
| 11:27.47 | ocr-- | when compiling the kernel, is "fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version=.060814 -686 --initrd --revision=coregw.01 kernel_image modules_image" a reasonable command? should I use initrd when I use grub? |
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| 11:28.02 | cr3 | how can I prevent dhcp from updating my resolv.conf? |
| 11:28.45 | ocr-- | I have added postinst_hook and postrm_hook in kernel-img.conf aswell |
| 11:28.59 | zugu | i need to know how to set a jar file (it's a chat system) to use ESS instead of directly accessing my soundcard |
| 11:29.10 | Gulligan | Anyone knows if there is any support for writing in NTFS partitions in unstable or something? or a way to write data on an NTFS partition? Heard there was some other distro having support for it so asking if Debian has/going to have soon |
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| 11:30.58 | sep | !ntfs |
| 11:30.58 | dpkg_ | ntfs is probably Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
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| 11:31.24 | zugu | !ess |
| 11:31.30 | zugu | !esd |
| 11:31.30 | dpkg_ | methinks esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 11:31.54 | Gulligan | thx for pointing out zugu :P |
| 11:32.36 | zugu | so actually it's *not* advisable to use esd? |
| 11:32.59 | sanmarcos | zugu, why would you use it? |
| 11:33.07 | ocr-- | Is initrd advised or not? |
| 11:33.07 | sanmarcos | polypaudio is the shit now |
| 11:33.10 | Cale | Just use alsa |
| 11:33.18 | sanmarcos | ocr--, only if your root fs module is not built in |
| 11:33.24 | sanmarcos | Cale, zugu alsa with dmix |
| 11:33.25 | sanmarcos | !dmix |
| 11:33.25 | dpkg_ | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 11:34.08 | sep | ocr--, the kernel-images uses initrd's, but how you prefer to do things are a bit different to how i prefer it. so it's very much up to yourself |
| 11:34.27 | Cale | yes, it's always worked that way for me, so I probably have that :) |
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| 11:34.38 | zugu | ok, so how do I set up my whole system to use this dmix thing, so that i can be a normal user, with "multitasking" when it comes to sound? I don't want programs that "steal" my soundcard anymore |
| 11:34.40 | sep | ocr--, i like initrd's becouse you get to use kernel-images and adding a needed module to the initrd is both easier and faster then recompiling a kernel :) |
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| 11:35.46 | Cale | zugu: I don't think I had to do anything special at all to get mixing working properly with alsa, aside from getting the drivers to work with my card which at the time was new. (Now they just work) |
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| 11:36.26 | zugu | so I just make alsa default in the applications I use |
| 11:36.28 | zugu | i get it |
| 11:36.37 | wols_ | Cale: only cause your card has hardware mixer |
| 11:36.46 | Cale | wols_: that's possible :) |
| 11:37.00 | zugu | thanks guys |
| 11:37.12 | Cale | zugu: well, try it anyway, and see if that works |
| 11:37.21 | Cale | should be easy enough to test :) |
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| 11:37.50 | wols_ | ocr--: for a self compiled kernel it is not advised. you only need to put modules in initrd if you need them to boot: IDE drivers, filesystems, etc. usually you compile them in with custom kernels |
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| 11:41.52 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:41.53 | dpkg_ | qotd111 is probably <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
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| 11:42.34 | anarcat | dah |
| 11:42.55 | Hoxzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.29 | mariust | where are the session files that make up the Menu->Session type->Default/Kde/Failsafe/Custom dropdown menu in xdm saved? |
| 11:43.35 | mariust | i want to remove everything but kde |
| 11:43.45 | mariust | student pc's |
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| 11:48.17 | ktwilight | ok, so i have an empty /var/lib/dpkg/info how should i propogate it? or...? |
| 11:48.23 | liable | mariust: /usr/share/xsessions/ |
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| 11:48.33 | ktwilight | i kinda messed up when i did a recovery :/ |
| 11:48.53 | ktwilight | it's an empty folder except for some packages that i've just upgrade |
| 11:49.01 | Coke | How can I make Firefox display certain files, like .c, .py, etc, directly in it's window? Some mailcap setting? It just keeps asking me to choose another program to open it with or save to disk. I know Firefox can display regular text so why not display the source code files as text? |
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| 11:49.22 | grogoreo | hi |
| 11:49.33 | liable | ktwilight: you will only have problems if you try and remove stuff. but you can re-install and it should be fine |
| 11:50.02 | ktwilight | how would i go about reinstalling hundreds of packages? :/ |
| 11:50.23 | liable | ktwilight: you want to delete hundreds of packages? |
| 11:50.37 | grogoreo | I have two domains which I would like to put in /etc/resolv.conf, can I have two 'search' definitions? If so should I put them on two separete lines or can I just do: search doman1.co.uk domain2.co.uk as their nameservers are the same |
| 11:50.37 | ktwilight | no |
| 11:50.43 | Flash_ | ktwilight, istr there's a script that makes a list of your current package list in a format that will allow you to bulk-add them later |
| 11:50.43 | liable | right. |
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| 11:51.12 | ktwilight | but liable, dpkg/info is empty, it has less than 20 packages in there, when it shoudl be the hundreds that i've installed? |
| 11:51.20 | ktwilight | don't understand Flash_ |
| 11:51.32 | Flash_ | oh, you don't hjave the list atm. bummer. |
| 11:51.48 | ktwilight | dpkg -l gives me a list... |
| 11:51.48 | dpkg_ | ii gives me a list... 2.4-11 ktwilight's private porn collection |
| 11:51.50 | sep | !reinstall |
| 11:51.51 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 11:51.51 | ktwilight | does that help? |
| 11:52.05 | liable | ktwilight: as i said, its only a problem when you want to remove something.. the remove scripts arent there, so.. you need to re-install it first |
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| 11:52.46 | Flash_ | ktwilight, prolly best to ignore me, I'm not sure I read enough of the problem to make an accurate suggestion. |
| 11:52.54 | mariust | liable: yea, kde was there, but it seems that the other ones are added by default |
| 11:53.04 | ktwilight | thanks sep, that helps :) |
| 11:53.09 | ktwilight | i think |
| 11:53.30 | sep | ktwilight, as long as you know what you are doing... :) |
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| 11:53.37 | ktwilight | wait, i don't |
| 11:53.40 | liable | mariust: the failsafe you mean? |
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| 11:54.08 | liable | mariust: i think thats a console login. i cant remember if i ever used it |
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| 11:54.38 | wols_ | the failsafe mode is a single user login |
| 11:54.43 | wols_ | maintenance only |
| 11:54.50 | wols_ | if we're talking about grub entries |
| 11:54.55 | liable | no |
| 11:54.57 | mariust | liable: think i found it, in /etc/X11/Xsession.options . allow-failsafe and so on |
| 11:55.01 | liable | xdm] |
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| 11:55.05 | wols_ | oops |
| 11:55.19 | liable | mariust: cool |
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| 11:57.38 | mariust | does anyone know a command to burn a folder to a dvd without making an iso first? |
| 11:58.02 | liable | mariust: growisofs does it all in one go |
| 11:58.13 | mariust | thanks :) |
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| 12:00.34 | tijn | so, i have 2 mail folders in /var/mail/user can i put the 2 files togheter? |
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| 12:02.34 | adam | Hi. Not sure if this is the right place to ask: I'm setting up a Debian server as a web server for the first time. I want a domain name to point there. Do I need to install something like bind and/or other stuff? |
| 12:03.04 | adam | (server is a Debian Sarge box) |
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| 12:03.36 | liable | adam: you need your isp/domain provider to point it to your ip |
| 12:04.12 | adam | liable: my domain provider (GoDaddy) basically allows me to input the name of my nameserver |
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| 12:05.02 | Tallu | adam: do you have a static ip? |
| 12:05.22 | adam | Tallu: yes. |
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| 12:06.13 | Tallu | adam: well if you just want to use the http://domain.tld and www.domain.tld you'll be just fine pointing the godaddy dns servers to your ip.. and you can add subdomains with their total dns manager.. which isnt total though, they dont support wildcards with subdomains |
| 12:06.13 | helmut | Can you tell me whether DSA-1150 is remotely exploitable at all? |
| 12:06.15 | signuts | I have a new Intel mobo w/ debian netinstall using a e1000 drivers on the ICH7 chipset. A regular self built kernel detects the network card but the debian netinstall disk doesn't no matter what I do!. |
| 12:07.21 | Tallu | adam: I, myself, wasn't too pleased with the fact that they don't support wildcard domains so I set up my own master dns server and am now trying to talk a friend into hosting a slave dns server so I can have my * subdomains :P |
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| 12:09.01 | adam | Tallu: any idea how I "point the godaddy dns servers to my ip"? |
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| 12:09.20 | tijn | contact your isp |
| 12:09.24 | liable | signuts: which installer? |
| 12:09.30 | tijn | maybe they have a webinterface thingie |
| 12:09.33 | Tallu | adam: yeah, go to "my domains" and select your domain, switch to their basic dns servers instead of parked, and then go to dns manager |
| 12:09.54 | Tallu | adam: it's all very self-explanatory once you go there and check it out |
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| 12:10.17 | ph00 | hi guys. what's the "right" way to upgrade, dist-upgrade or just upgrade? |
| 12:10.54 | adam | Tallu: ok, thanks. (I assumed I could only do that if I was hosting at their servers, not just registering my domain with them) |
| 12:11.12 | Tallu | adam: nah you can do it even if you have your own host :) |
| 12:11.29 | liable | ph00: either, depends, some packages need to remove or install extra packages, so you need the dist-upgrade option |
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| 12:16.19 | ph00 | liable, I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you mean. Can you explain in short what's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 12:16.30 | ph00 | shortly |
| 12:16.38 | pipeline | ph00: "upgrade" will not remove packages. |
| 12:16.41 | ph00 | if possible |
| 12:16.45 | liable | ph00: i did :) |
| 12:16.46 | pipeline | ph00: "upgrade" is less invasivie. |
| 12:16.51 | ph00 | or refer to a nioce website to read |
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| 12:17.37 | ph00 | hm |
| 12:17.48 | ph00 | OK |
| 12:18.24 | ph00 | so it's better to start with upgrade, if you're a noob who don't really know what you're doing, right? |
| 12:18.41 | liable | ph00: sometimes you'll see packages held back during an upgrade, one reason can be that it needs to remove an associated package to install a different package that may do the same thing |
| 12:18.45 | ph00 | I can always do dist-upègrade later... |
| 12:18.58 | ph00 | OK |
| 12:19.04 | liable | !apt-howto |
| 12:19.04 | dpkg_ | methinks apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
| 12:20.12 | ph00 | OK, thx |
| 12:20.34 | stoned | oh man |
| 12:20.39 | stoned | my first day of work after months |
| 12:21.27 | ph00 | hehe |
| 12:21.34 | ph00 | working is for slaves |
| 12:21.53 | Ronin | ph00: beats not working |
| 12:21.57 | ph00 | I mean, I realized how I can live without really working |
| 12:22.00 | liable | no, for people that need to have somewhere to sleep and something to eat.. |
| 12:22.17 | tijn | and bandwith |
| 12:22.21 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 12:22.25 | liable | heh |
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| 12:22.29 | RvGaTe | ^^ dont forget that one |
| 12:22.32 | Ronin | working is for those not lucky enough to be born rich, we like to eat etc |
| 12:22.40 | ph00 | ronin if you get paid to do something you enjoy, that's not "really" working... |
| 12:23.16 | liable | i do something i enjoy, but i'd be fucked if i didnt get paid.. |
| 12:23.32 | tijn | watch out, before your boss decides he will not give you "real" money ;) |
| 12:23.35 | blondie | ph00: doing a job you don't enjoy is dumb |
| 12:23.58 | Ronin | blondie: its called being an adult actually, most folks dont enjoy what theyre doing |
| 12:24.01 | RvGaTe | blondie, there are people that dont have a choice |
| 12:24.02 | liable | i still consider it work, seeing as i have to wake up when 'they' decide, and not when i do |
| 12:24.10 | ph00 | ronin, you know how many people own computers but are basically computer illetrate, right? well, I realized I could help those people fix their windows-PC without having to call a licensed technician, and I do make a living of that |
| 12:24.24 | blondie | Ronin: I'd say it was called bad career planning |
| 12:24.48 | liable | not neccesarily |
| 12:24.49 | ph00 | blondie, I had to do lots of jobs i *hated* because I had to eat and pay bills and couldn't get any better |
| 12:25.09 | Ronin | blondie: not necessarily |
| 12:25.14 | blondie | fine, but it's not true to say it's not work if you enjoy it |
| 12:25.17 | ph00 | blondie, sometimes you simply have to take what you get |
| 12:25.23 | RvGaTe | ph00, and dont forget the people who get forced into prostitution... |
| 12:25.57 | tijn | btw, in holland thats a real legal job atm :) |
| 12:26.10 | fireba11 | tijn: not only there |
| 12:26.10 | RvGaTe | true... |
| 12:26.13 | signuts | liable, sorry was afk. How do I tell which installer? |
| 12:26.13 | liable | its legal in lots of places |
| 12:26.27 | liable | signuts: where exactly did you get it? |
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| 12:26.30 | tijn | liable: yes, but not as in a real job.. |
| 12:26.36 | tijn | right? |
| 12:26.54 | ph00 | I mean, for me "work" is like torture, something I must do for a lining but I hate, what I was trying to say, was that if you do something you line it doesn't feel like working, it feels like having fun and getting paid for that... but so couse, it's never 100% fun, there are always bad days |
| 12:26.59 | liable | tijn: legal as in its not illegal, and they pay tax, yes. |
| 12:27.02 | signuts | liable, debian.org under netinst cd |
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| 12:27.16 | tijn | ah ok :D |
| 12:27.29 | liable | signuts: ok, sarge then i guess. did you boot with the 2.6 kernel option? |
| 12:27.43 | signuts | liable, no I didn't, I just used default boot options |
| 12:27.59 | signuts | liable, i'm not at the computer now either, just figured i'd check if anyone knew of a known problem |
| 12:28.10 | liable | signuts: i dunno if e1000 is even in the 2.6.8 kernel, but i *think* the e100 module works |
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| 12:28.46 | liable | oh, it is |
| 12:28.52 | signuts | liable, 2.4 is the default kernel? |
| 12:28.58 | liable | signuts: try the linux26 boot option |
| 12:29.04 | liable | yes |
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| 12:29.08 | wols_ | if you simply boot, yes. if you enter "linux26" then no |
| 12:29.26 | signuts | liable, gotcha. I did try loading e100 and e1000 on 2.4 but no luck. |
| 12:29.36 | abrocadabro | I recompile my kernel. everything loaded fine except it got stuck after rc.local is excuted, just before I get a shell, any ideas where went wrong? |
| 12:29.37 | signuts | ok cool, didn't know that. Why is 2.6 not default? |
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| 12:29.58 | wols_ | abrocadabro: nothing to do with the kernel then |
| 12:30.07 | wols_ | as soon as init runs, the kernel is fine |
| 12:30.17 | infernixx | i'm setting up a native ipsec tunnel with racoon. the other end tells me that the tunnel works but no packets are encrypted yet. i've set up racoon-tool with a connection and a tunnel config; however, setkey -D tells me i have no SAD entries. could this be the cause? |
| 12:30.17 | ph00 | rvgate, I know there are people forced into preostitution (and I'm proud I never purchased sex... so far) but I don't see how that have to do with what we were talking about |
| 12:30.33 | signuts | abrocadabro, if you CTRL+ALT+Fn do you have any consoles? |
| 12:30.52 | abrocadabro | wols_: the only thing I can think of is the kernel config is different, I loaded my backup 2.6.16 kernel it booted perfectly |
| 12:30.58 | liable | abrocadabro: um, what distro are you using? |
| 12:31.10 | abrocadabro | liable: ubuntu |
| 12:31.25 | signuts | hehe |
| 12:31.26 | abrocadabro | I asked there but no one responeded |
| 12:31.41 | liable | abrocadabro: debian doesnt even have rc.local |
| 12:31.45 | RvGaTe | ph00, we were talking about jobs, and if you like it or not... then we came to the part were people actually dont have a choice ... as for my example... they dont like the job, they get forced, so dont have a choice... but still get money/safety/food/etc for it |
| 12:31.57 | liable | abrocadabro: and i didnt think ubuntu did either, but there you go.. |
| 12:32.03 | abrocadabro | liable: well at least I told you the truth |
| 12:32.16 | streuner_ | abrocadabro: #ubuntu |
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| 12:32.28 | liable | abrocadabro: yes, and i appreciate that, but we still cant help :( |
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| 12:32.50 | abrocadabro | streuner: I am in that channel as well, no one responded |
| 12:33.01 | streuner | well, install debian |
| 12:33.05 | liable | abrocadabro: try ##linux |
| 12:33.21 | streuner | !d-i abrocadabro |
| 12:33.21 | dpkg_ | abrocadabro, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:33.55 | ph00 | rvgate, yes I knw that. I often say I did a lot of "slave" jobs, but there are hundreds of million people who are *really* slaves, that's sad, actually. I try to do the little I can to help the less fortunate but it's like a drop in the ocean |
| 12:34.02 | abrocadabro | I also have debian installed as well in one of the system under xen |
| 12:34.17 | ph00 | I seem to have the ability to dive channels OT |
| 12:34.18 | wols_ | then call us if _that_ one doesn't boot |
| 12:34.32 | ph00 | gonna STFU now: only In-Topic |
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| 12:35.11 | ph00 | dive=dRive |
| 12:35.11 | infernixx | does anyone know of a channel for ipsec stuff (kernel based to be precise)? |
| 12:35.27 | abrocadabro | wols: same, didn't boot either, both got stuck at the same spot, just before I got a prompt, both uses kernel with no patch, |
| 12:35.44 | abrocadabro | no ubuntu patches |
| 12:36.10 | RvGaTe | ph00, same here :P |
| 12:36.30 | abrocadabro | I do have a working kernel as a backup, same version 2.6.17. that one boots but this other one doesn't |
| 12:36.35 | wols_ | abrocadabro: it can't get stuck at the same sport: no rc.local in debian |
| 12:36.58 | abrocadabro | wols_: if you read rc.local, it says it actually does nothing |
| 12:37.09 | liable | abrocadabro: if it hangs at that script, then either remove it, or fix it |
| 12:37.13 | wols_ | I don't read non existant files, cause I can't |
| 12:37.15 | abrocadabro | wols_: I got stuck just before I can get a shell |
| 12:37.48 | deconvolution | hello, after dist-upgrade my sid box, I found my /etc/wpa_supplicant and seems wpa_supplicant.conf is dropped, where I can find the docs for the news wpa_supplicant? My wpa_gui is also down due to misconnected from wpa_supplicant demon. How can I solve this problem? |
| 12:37.55 | wols_ | ubuntu doesn't give you a shell, it gives you a displaymanager |
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| 12:38.25 | abrocadabro | wols_: i don't have xdm, kdm or gdm |
| 12:38.38 | Hoxzer | does somebody here have some idea how can I short programs by mem usage in top? |
| 12:38.42 | liable | deconvolution: dude, wpasupplicant was changed *months* ago.. if you are going to use sid, learn where the docs are .. /usr/share/doc |
| 12:38.43 | Hoxzer | :// |
| 12:38.49 | Hoxzer | My ram usage is WAYY to high |
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| 12:39.07 | Ronin | Hoxzer: is it slowing your system down? unused ram is wasted ram after all |
| 12:39.30 | wols_ | Hoxzer: are you actually using swap? |
| 12:39.35 | Hoxzer | wols_: yes |
| 12:39.45 | wols_ | how much swap in relation to RAM? |
| 12:39.48 | abrocadabro | deconvolution: what's your actual problem? |
| 12:40.04 | Hoxzer | wols_: swap isn't used almost at all |
| 12:40.21 | wols_ | Hoxzer: then you have enough RAM |
| 12:40.21 | Hoxzer | or it isn't used :D |
| 12:40.30 | sep | Hoxzer, then you arent using much ram. RAM on linux is used to cache your harddrives so it should read 99% full allmost allways |
| 12:40.32 | Ronin | then you have enough |
| 12:40.44 | wols_ | Hoxzer: a linux box always uses 99.x% ram. if it doesn't, then something is wrong |
| 12:40.53 | signuts | Hoxzer, you're probably tricked by linux's memory model. Used ram is allocated by the kernel before it's actually used |
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| 12:41.07 | Hoxzer | wols_: ok... just wondering because I get fps drop when playing dvd although it uses only 14 % of my processor |
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| 12:41.15 | wols_ | DMA |
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| 12:41.26 | sep | Hoxzer, type free the parts under free buffered and cached is available ram |
| 12:41.50 | wols_ | signuts: I sincerely hope ANY kernel allocates memory beofre its used. maybe windows is different... |
| 12:42.15 | sep | hehehe |
| 12:42.26 | signuts | wols_, hehe, It's hard to put in lamen terms how the kernel allocates memory for applications. heh |
| 12:42.29 | Hoxzer | sep: ? what exacly you want me to type :/ |
| 12:42.37 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.39 | Hoxzer | "free the parts under free buffer and cached" :D |
| 12:42.42 | Hoxzer | ok |
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| 12:43.52 | EvilDin | am is there possible to made any ddos protection? |
| 12:43.53 | deconvolution | liable: basically I dont understand under the current setting (i.e. I only need to set it inside network/interface file), which script is to startup wpa_supplicant daemon? |
| 12:44.18 | is_null | hello everybody, is php5 compiled with zend engine from etch repositories ? |
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| 12:44.46 | streuner | is_null: check out source |
| 12:44.48 | is_null | the real question is : is it possible to not use zend engine with php from the repositories |
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| 12:44.55 | streuner | is_null: debian/control |
| 12:44.58 | Bry2k200 | hello gents, i'm re-installing debian, and i want etch instead of sarge, is there someone that can gimme a hand with this? |
| 12:45.04 | Bry2k200 | can i do it from install? |
| 12:45.12 | is_null | streuner: how to do that ? |
| 12:45.22 | abrocadabro | deconvolution: what encprytion method do you use? |
| 12:45.25 | is_null | i don't know what is debian/control |
| 12:45.47 | streuner | is_null: well, get the source of the package itself and look into debian/control? |
| 12:45.51 | zamuro | Bry2k200: All you need is to change something on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:46.09 | Bry2k200 | ya i worked on that for about 4 hours last night |
| 12:46.15 | sep | !sarge->etch |
| 12:46.15 | Bry2k200 | couldn't get it right |
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| 12:46.17 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 12:46.21 | _Indy_ | Hello. Where can I find mod_python as a debian package? (a .deb file) |
| 12:46.29 | deconvolution | liable: I try to manually start wpa_supplicant but it requires a wpa_supplicant.conf file. However, it seems debian sid does no longer use such profile and directly enable it within interface file |
| 12:46.34 | zamuro | _Indy_: packages.debian.org |
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| 12:46.43 | _Indy_ | zamuro: thank you :-) |
| 12:46.44 | liable | deconvolution: its changed quite a bit. one thing to take a look at (which is very handy) is 'man wpa_action' |
| 12:46.44 | deconvolution | abrocadabro: wpa_psk |
| 12:47.00 | sep | Bry2k200, if you want to reinstall etch from cd. you should either dl a full cd1 etch beta2 or a daily image netinst etch beta3 (NOT a netinst beta2) and install that |
| 12:47.19 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 12:47.22 | Bry2k200 | you got a link? |
| 12:47.24 | streuner | is_null: just get source (debian), you need a 'deb-src' line for that matter |
| 12:47.26 | zamuro | Bry2k200: I downloaded etch from debian site. So u should do the same. |
| 12:47.32 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 12:47.34 | liable | deconvolution: read the docs, its actually explained fairly well. i still have a wpasupp.conf, and run it in roaming mode |
| 12:47.35 | Bry2k200 | link? |
| 12:47.39 | ph00 | hm... that doesn't sound like much of an upgrade "88 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 680 not upgrade "88 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 680 not upgraded" |
| 12:47.43 | Ronin | Bry2k200: umm debian.org perhaps |
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| 12:47.44 | sep | Bry2k200, or just install sarge frmo your cd. replace sarge/stable with etch in sources list, and do a aptitude update; aptitude -y dist-upgrade |
| 12:47.50 | ph00 | maybe I should try dist-upgrade instead |
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| 12:48.02 | is_null | streuner: my real question is : is it possible to remove zend engine from php without compiling please ? |
| 12:48.08 | liable | deconvolution: if you only have one ap you use, just add the neccessary stuff to interfaces |
| 12:48.16 | deconvolution | liable: I would like to use wpa_gui interface because other uses are not familiar non-gui app. However, wpa_gui complains that there was not response from wpa_supplicant |
| 12:48.19 | fireba11 | is_null: no, also why do you want to do that ? |
| 12:48.22 | _Indy_ | zamuro: it says that there is no such package |
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| 12:48.34 | liable | deconvolution: i have no idea about that tool |
| 12:48.37 | deconvolution | liable: sorry other users |
| 12:48.37 | streuner | is_null: if that feature is compiled into the package? |
| 12:48.50 | zamuro | _Indy_: What you exactly looking for? |
| 12:48.56 | ph00 | now *that* is an upgrade: "761 upgraded, 349 newly installed, 67 to remove and 1 not upgraded." (I wonder if it will work after rebooting...) |
| 12:49.18 | is_null | streuner: it is, fireba11 : i want activestate engine |
| 12:49.35 | fireba11 | is_null: you need to recompile then |
| 12:49.48 | is_null | fireba11: i thought i would have the choice by using debian, how strange |
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| 12:50.27 | is_null | anyway, if i was supposed to have the choice, then maybe this is a bug that i should report ? |
| 12:50.32 | fireba11 | is_null: you do .. you can download the debian source and just exchange that part |
| 12:50.35 | ph00 | HEY! It wants to remove nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev. I hope I will still be able to use X. |
| 12:50.38 | _Indy_ | zamuro: I want to download mod_python , an apache module for python. And I would prefer to find it as a debian package. |
| 12:50.41 | streuner | is_null: its not hard to create a deb when you have debian/control then... |
| 12:50.43 | liable | deconvolution: you can set it up so that other users dont even need to use the gui now. it has a very capable roaming solution now |
| 12:50.49 | grogoreo | what is a good IMAP server? I've heard of courier or something |
| 12:51.00 | zamuro | _Indy_: OK... |
| 12:51.02 | zamuro | Wait up |
| 12:51.05 | streuner | ph00: sure, if 'nv' support your videocard :-) |
| 12:51.08 | anders__ | What dist do you guys recommend for a computer like this: AMD Athlon XP 1800+ 1.5ghz - 1280DDR 400Mhz - 80GB HD - nVIDIA geforce 6600 256mb? :) |
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| 12:51.22 | Bry2k200 | Official netinst images for the stable release <-----all i can see on the site |
| 12:51.28 | Ronin | Bry2k200: keep looking |
| 12:51.29 | deconvolution | liable: you mean the wpa_action ? |
| 12:51.35 | liable | deconvolution: yes |
| 12:51.40 | is_null | eeek, i'll have to read manual as i have no idea of how to do that, and making the package will take hours, i hope my boss won't see me doing such stuff |
| 12:51.43 | _Indy_ | zamuro: ok, never mind, I found it. thx :) |
| 12:51.49 | zamuro | _Indy_: you need to download libapache2-mod-python |
| 12:51.50 | sep | !tell Bry2k200 about etch |
| 12:51.56 | fireba11 | grogoreo: depends on what you want to do ..courier is good and not complicated, dovecot may be interesting if its no productive environment |
| 12:51.56 | ph00 | streuner, nv worked, @ 800x600... but then I don't know how to install the proper drivers... OK then, I'm trying that |
| 12:51.57 | sep | !test |
| 12:51.57 | dpkg_ | Yes, sep, you're still online. |
| 12:52.00 | is_null | thank you for your help |
| 12:52.07 | _Indy_ | zamuro: ok :-) |
| 12:52.11 | sep | ahhh right dpkg_ is not identified |
| 12:52.19 | fireba11 | is_null: why not ? |
| 12:52.19 | liable | sep: it cant /msg, dpkg_ isnt registerd |
| 12:52.20 | sep | why wont that darn bot change his nick and identiy |
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| 12:52.39 | grogoreo | fireba11, well I am actually putting it on a proper server to deal with mail, so is courier the way to go |
| 12:52.41 | sep | liable, didnt think it still had it's identiy disorder |
| 12:52.42 | deconvolution | <liable>: If i need to move to a new place which has wpa_psk enabled, can other users input password just by some simple commands |
| 12:52.49 | liable | sep: heh |
| 12:53.29 | fireba11 | grogoreo or maybe cyrus ... |
| 12:53.35 | liable | deconvolution: no, they need to edit a file |
| 12:53.43 | grogoreo | fireba11, ok, thanks for your help |
| 12:53.47 | ph00 | well OK then, I'm going to hit that Y.... |
| 12:53.48 | Hoxzer | what config equals to xine-config |
| 12:54.02 | Hoxzer | what package equals to xine-config? |
| 12:54.07 | deconvolution | liable: under /etc or somewhere else? |
| 12:54.11 | Bry2k200 | sum bish, wasted 14 cd's on stable |
| 12:54.12 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
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| 12:54.16 | is_null | fireba11: because i am very late on the work, and he will think i am not good because he will think i could manage this another faster way, and finaly because i choosed komodo to develop the project. and many other factors that are not inetrresting |
| 12:54.20 | ph00 | upgrading! |
| 12:54.21 | Ronin | Bry2k200: you find them? |
| 12:54.26 | Bry2k200 | yup |
| 12:54.28 | FernandoM | sep, hi, i'm trying to compile the driver again. But is it complaining that /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h doesn't exist. What should i do? |
| 12:54.33 | Bry2k200 | the netinstall beta 3 correct? |
| 12:54.34 | is_null | and do i need to download all php mods as source and compile theme all ? or should php5 do it ? |
| 12:54.43 | liable | deconvolution: /j #flood and i'll show you my interfaces and wpa conf |
| 12:54.43 | Ronin | Bry2k200: looks like it yes |
| 12:54.45 | Bry2k200 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:55.20 | deconvolution | <liable>: thanks |
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| 12:56.14 | Bry2k200 | that will install etch and i'll be good to go? |
| 12:56.25 | sep | FernandoM, you probably need either the linux-kernel-headers or it's source copy over the config from boot and symlink /usr/src/linux to it. if it didnt do it automagicaly |
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| 12:57.03 | tijn | wierd problem: 2 users where away for 3 weeks, when to come back, they cant recieve mail, when looking in syslog is see: Aug 14 13:44:27 lx3 popa3d[12605]: Authentication passed for user Failed or refused to load /var/mail/user |
| 12:57.15 | sep | Bry2k200, well packages filter into etch daily. so you must ofcouse update adn upgrade after installing. |
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| 12:57.45 | Bry2k200 | ahh crap, that scares me, went through 4 hours of that last night |
| 12:57.47 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 12:57.49 | FernandoM | sep: you are right, didn't installed kernel-headers. thanks |
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| 12:57.59 | sep | Bry2k200, it's very very easy |
| 12:58.06 | sep | Bry2k200, (when you know how) |
| 12:58.09 | Bry2k200 | sep; i can do that from synaptic no? |
| 12:58.15 | signuts | What would be a good channel to talk about cisco routing? |
| 12:58.22 | sep | Bry2k200, if you realy want to yes. |
| 12:58.22 | Bry2k200 | or just apt-get update? |
| 12:58.30 | tijn | why cant the mail file be loaded? its is not in use by any user or file |
| 12:58.41 | sep | signuts, in what way is cisco routing different from all other routing ? |
| 12:58.51 | belracu | call Cisco |
| 12:58.53 | belracu | :P |
| 12:59.00 | sep | or you mean routing using cisco propritary protocols, => call cisco |
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| 12:59.42 | signuts | sep, heh |
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| 13:00.13 | signuts | sep, think of cisco as anadjective |
| 13:00.27 | ph00 | I don't really know, but I suspect Cisco is different from all other routers just like windows from all other OS... |
| 13:00.52 | signuts | seems there is a #cisco .. thanks guys |
| 13:01.11 | sep | signuts, cisco is a brand. there is no "cisco" routing |
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| 13:01.33 | ph00 | like a "dell computing" |
| 13:01.49 | sep | like audi car driving... |
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| 13:03.19 | Bry2k200 | sep; i thought if i did a net install i wouldn't have to update |
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| 13:03.32 | Bry2k200 | thought all the newest packages would be there? |
| 13:03.35 | sep | ph00, not realy it uses the standard routing protocols like all other routers. May have additional optional propritary protocols, but who would use such a thing :) |
| 13:03.47 | sep | Bry2k200, yes |
| 13:03.50 | sep | but not tomorrow. |
| 13:03.54 | sep | or the day after :) |
| 13:03.56 | signuts | sep, a lot of corporations |
| 13:03.58 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 13:04.00 | Bry2k200 | okie |
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| 13:04.43 | is_null | is it needed to compile all php5 dependencies to compile php not to use zend engine pelase ? |
| 13:04.45 | is_null | *please |
| 13:05.26 | ph00 | sep OK, windowsw uses IDE, SATA and stuff, and Audi uses the internal combustion engine, so why shouln't cCisco use standard routing protocols |
| 13:05.56 | omry__ | I am trying to install Sarge (2.6.8) on a clean WD Caviar SE (WD2000) SATA, but for some reason the setup claims it does not find any drivers. anyone knows what could be the reason? |
| 13:06.13 | omry__ | s/drivers/drives |
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| 13:06.24 | sep | ph00, i dont know... you said they probably was different :) |
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| 13:06.35 | ph00 | did I? |
| 13:06.35 | Hoxzer | how do I enable dma? |
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| 13:06.48 | sep | <ph00> I don't really know, but I suspect Cisco is different from all other routers just like windows from all other OS... |
| 13:06.55 | ph00 | I said, "different like windows is different from all other OS" |
| 13:07.01 | Hoxzer | how do I enable dm for dvd? |
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| 13:07.18 | ph00 | that would be "not really different", only somewhat worse |
| 13:07.27 | sep | omry__, the installer dont have the kernel modules for your sata chipset. |
| 13:07.29 | ph00 | on the other hand |
| 13:07.32 | nimurphy | how do i use find? can't really figure out from man pages. just trying to find a few libs that aren't where they should be |
| 13:07.41 | pingouin | Hoxzer: i think you need hdparm to do this |
| 13:07.47 | ph00 | well we don't need to start another OT now... |
| 13:07.48 | omry__ | sep: how do I resolve this? |
| 13:07.53 | sep | omry__, use a unofficial sarge installer, or set the sata chipset in legacy mode in the bios. or use a livecd and deboostrap |
| 13:07.59 | Hoxzer | pingouin: alreayd installed it |
| 13:08.06 | sep | easiest would be a unofficial installer i guess |
| 13:08.11 | sep | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:08.14 | mandingo | anyone have any clue as to why the ndiswrapper kernel isnt loading in etch? |
| 13:08.15 | pingouin | Hoxzer: install is not doing the job ;) use it now |
| 13:08.19 | sep | !2.6.15 sarge |
| 13:08.26 | mandingo | I installed all the packages, but the damn kernel module wont load |
| 13:08.35 | Hoxzer | pingouin: :D I know but will you tell me how |
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| 13:08.53 | nimurphy | watch out for sata witht the etch beta 2 installer. it's a nightmare |
| 13:08.54 | omry__ | sep: its okay, I found it |
| 13:08.58 | omry__ | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 13:08.59 | usernoob | hello |
| 13:09.01 | pingouin | Hoxzer: you have to ask, throught hdparm how you /dev/hdx (dvd player) is set |
| 13:09.03 | sep | yes that's the one |
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| 13:09.49 | ph00 | I suspect we have a case of digital schizophrenia here... |
| 13:09.52 | pingouin | Hoxzer: http://www.google.com/linux ask for hdparm, there is lot of examples i'm sure, hdparm is a gaz factory... |
| 13:09.53 | omry__ | sep: there are quite a few on that page. can you help me pick the right one? |
| 13:10.05 | Hoxzer | pingouin: :/ seems like it was enanbled already :/ |
| 13:10.14 | pingouin | Hoxzer: good ;) |
| 13:10.16 | omry__ | sep: it says sarge, but also 'unstable' |
| 13:10.54 | omry__ | sep: ah, just the kernel. |
| 13:10.57 | omry__ | I can live with that. |
| 13:11.11 | nimurphy | can anyone tell me how to find file 'x' using find command? i'm even more confused after reading the man page on it....... |
| 13:11.14 | sep | omry__, i used that installer and installed the backports.org kernel-image afterwards |
| 13:11.23 | ph00 | find x? |
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| 13:12.10 | sep | find -name x /path/to/look/in |
| 13:12.24 | nimurphy | ah, i was trying it the other way around |
| 13:12.30 | sep | nimurphy, or just find /path/to/look/in | grep x |
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| 13:12.42 | sep | since i never remember the find args |
| 13:13.10 | sep | nimurphy, or if you have the locatedatabase just locate x |
| 13:13.23 | nimurphy | yeah i got it with find. cheers |
| 13:13.28 | sep | and if you _dont maintain the locate database you can sudo updatedb ; locate x |
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| 13:13.38 | scenestar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.46 | pingouin | nice ;) |
| 13:13.49 | nimurphy | yeah never really got around to setting up locatedb |
| 13:13.54 | pingouin | i agree too |
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| 13:14.02 | FernandoM | sep: still not working :( i followed this steps. Since i only have first sarge cdrom (no kernel-source) i got kernel-source from another machine and copied it using a pen drive. Then, tar -jxvf kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2; ln -s kernel-source-2.4.27 linux; cd linux; cp /boot/config-2.4.27 .config; apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27. But it is saying that include/linux/version.h is missing |
| 13:14.19 | sep | FernandoM, replace the nic. |
| 13:14.34 | sep | if you took paied by houers for this you'd be rich |
| 13:14.38 | user31 | hello, I'm compiling the driver for a usb wireless device |
| 13:14.43 | sep | and you have to do it again on the next kernel upgrade |
| 13:15.12 | sep | FernandoM, for the love of $deity get rid of that crap and use a real nic with drivers in the kernel. |
| 13:15.12 | user31 | cp /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build/.tmp_versions/*.mod /root/at76c503a-0.12.0/.tmp_versions |
| 13:15.12 | FernandoM | the problem is that i don't have another nic avaible :/ |
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| 13:15.26 | user31 | it says that .tmp_versions doesn't exist |
| 13:15.37 | user31 | what can I do? |
| 13:15.37 | ph00 | got it. it's find /path/to/look/in -name foo |
| 13:15.48 | wols_ | FernandoM: find / -name version.h |
| 13:15.58 | wols_ | if you have the file, it will show uo |
| 13:15.58 | ph00 | as root |
| 13:16.00 | wols_ | up |
| 13:16.00 | sep | FernandoM, i have dozens of nics laying around, ou can get a few for free if you come and pick them up |
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| 13:17.55 | user31 | where may I find .tmp_versions? |
| 13:18.00 | FernandoM | sep, i'm from brazil (would cost some money to pick them up :P). Actually, i have some isa nics here, but this machine doesn't have any isa slot. |
| 13:18.29 | sep | FernandoM, a lot more then buying a nic localy |
| 13:18.31 | sep | :) |
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| 13:18.58 | sep | buy, scavenge, hunt, steal hatever it takes :) |
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| 13:19.29 | FernandoM | sep just one last question. After apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27. Do i have to unpack it too? |
| 13:19.32 | sep | put that wintendo nic in a windowz box and grab whatever is in there. |
| 13:19.58 | sep | you probably have to symlink it to /usr/src/linux if that's where your driver expects to find it. |
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| 13:20.19 | FernandoM | sep: that's the last machine with windows here. All the others are already using Debian :) |
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| 13:20.53 | sep | FernandoM, well it's more work then it's worth that's for sure. |
| 13:21.09 | Bushmills | g'day |
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| 13:21.49 | FernandoM | sep ok, i'll try some stuff here. If none work i'll but a new nic and burn this nic ( probaly record it too :) ) |
| 13:22.00 | FernandoM | sep thanks for the help |
| 13:22.08 | sep | FernandoM, not much help but ok :) |
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| 13:24.06 | GoLuMEr | hello when i ping myself i have ICMP error "network unreachable"???? |
| 13:24.40 | sep | GoLuMEr, missing route for that net is myself= 127.0.0.1 ?? |
| 13:24.41 | ph00 | manybe your PC is turned off |
| 13:24.52 | liable | didnt your mom tell you that was bad for your eyesight? |
| 13:25.02 | GoLuMEr | no |
| 13:25.05 | GoLuMEr | localhost ping well |
| 13:25.11 | GoLuMEr | my ip 192.168.x.x |
| 13:25.16 | GoLuMEr | couldnot ping |
| 13:25.25 | tijn | x isnt a good number :) |
| 13:25.32 | GoLuMEr | 192.168.2.1 |
| 13:25.33 | GoLuMEr | :) |
| 13:25.38 | sep | GoLuMEr, route -an |
| 13:25.42 | user31 | have you configured your eth0 or wlan0 interface? |
| 13:25.46 | sep | do you have a route line for your ip ? |
| 13:25.50 | tijn | eheh roman times are over you know ;) |
| 13:25.52 | sep | ifconfig -a ; is your interface up |
| 13:25.52 | liable | GoLuMEr: its quite safe to tell us your internal ip, we cant hack it :) |
| 13:26.06 | GoLuMEr | no i just make example |
| 13:26.10 | GoLuMEr | :) |
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| 13:26.38 | tijn | MXVII.XXVI.MCVII.XVIII :) |
| 13:26.50 | GoLuMEr | route invalid options -an? |
| 13:27.13 | ph00 | tijn M = 1000 C = 100 |
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| 13:27.20 | tijn | yea yea |
| 13:27.21 | peterS | tijn: uh, M is greater than 255 |
| 13:27.25 | tijn | :) |
| 13:27.26 | peterS | errr, yeah. |
| 13:27.39 | GoLuMEr | hmmm :) |
| 13:27.42 | sep | umm route -n |
| 13:27.46 | GoLuMEr | nope |
| 13:27.50 | GoLuMEr | -n invalid option |
| 13:27.51 | GoLuMEr | :) |
| 13:28.00 | GoLuMEr | oh no |
| 13:28.01 | GoLuMEr | sorry |
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| 13:28.12 | ph00 | CICII.CLXVIII.I.I |
| 13:28.35 | user31 | excuse me guys, can I ask you a question? |
| 13:28.46 | tijn | dunno, can you? |
| 13:28.47 | rx_ | hi guys. is there a way to make a full listing of installed packages with apt? i want to compare 2 computers, like make a the list of installed packages on comp A and comp B then compare them. (i got a good reason to do that). how should i do that? |
| 13:28.50 | tijn | ;) |
| 13:29.00 | sep | user31, just pretend that 591 people gave you their concent |
| 13:29.11 | rx_ | (i dont care about dependencies, i just want to compare all packages) |
| 13:29.21 | liable | rx_: dpkg --get-selctions > foo.txt |
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| 13:29.27 | liable | rx_: dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt |
| 13:29.45 | peterS | ph00: uh, 192 is CXCII, not CICII |
| 13:30.06 | scoobie2 | I've got a file full of these lines "*key=31399;market=1;telnumb=55521122;pnr=4085;knr=1103;omr=11;omrc=11;ivar1=1;name=Ukjent;tz=e"... What's the simplest way to get just the telnumb variable from each? I need to see if there are duplicate entries and stuff. |
| 13:30.12 | rx_ | ok thanks |
| 13:30.19 | ph00 | CXCII |
| 13:30.27 | rx_ | im trying |
| 13:30.37 | ph00 | 192 |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | scoobie2: are key and market always the same length ? |
| 13:31.24 | scoobie2 | abrotman: no, and that's the problem :( |
| 13:31.31 | abrotman | scoobie2: short of that .. use awk .. split on ; or = .. then the other . |
| 13:32.10 | abrotman | cat file | awk -F ; '{print $3}' | awk -F = '{print $1}' |
| 13:32.14 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 13:32.41 | scoobie2 | abrotman: thanks. I'll try that (or something like it) :D |
| 13:33.06 | ph00 | peters I knox, I did it right the second time if you look better |
| 13:33.07 | ph00 | know |
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| 13:33.18 | grogoreo | can you run, in apache2, two different virtual sites in different files both with the NameVirtualHost *.80, putting them in sites-available? |
| 13:33.24 | ph00 | ph00 CXCII |
| 13:33.25 | rx_ | liable: well dpkg --set-seletions < foo.txt clone the second computer ? |
| 13:34.04 | rx_ | (install missing packages, remove packages) |
| 13:34.15 | peterS | ph00: my IRC client has you saying "CXCII" a good 34 seconds after I corrected you. I don't think I can be expected to know what you were going to say 34 seconds later |
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| 13:34.35 | liable | rx_: pretty much, plus a --dselect upgrade |
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| 13:34.49 | ph00 | peters, look better a couple of line after I wrote CICII |
| 13:34.59 | liable | dondelelcaro: dpkg is borken |
| 13:35.10 | ph00 | lines |
| 13:35.21 | liable | dondelelcaro: just the dpkg_ cant send /msg |
| 13:35.36 | peterS | 08:29:45 <peterS> ph00: uh, 192 is CXCII, not CICII 08:30:19 <ph00> CXCII 08:30:37 <ph00> 192 |
| 13:35.42 | peterS | ph00: I guess you're lagging pretty bad, then |
| 13:35.48 | rx_ | liable: thank you very much! |
| 13:36.00 | liable | yw |
| 13:38.37 | ph00 | peters, the *first* time, when I did 192.168.1.1 with the wrong 192, then I corrected myself just 2 lines after that. You may have missed that, but I dis, why would I lie? |
| 13:38.37 | ph00 | did |
| 13:38.39 | ph00 | peters that's 9 posts before you correvted me |
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| 13:38.58 | peterS | ph00: you're seriously lagging, man. admit it. it's no shame for your IRC connection to lag. |
| 13:40.20 | nb_alpha | hi all, I m on debian sarge & I want connect my machine with smartlink modem ... there are many solutions for ubuntu but none for sarge ... do u have an idea about that ? |
| 13:40.50 | moshii | nb_alpha: is the smartlink modem a winmodem thingy? |
| 13:41.15 | nb_alpha | moshii: sorry i dont understand u |
| 13:41.24 | ph00 | peters I don't know, what I do know is that I corrected myself seconds after I did the wrong 192, and some 9 posts after that I got your correction. but I could be slowed down because I'm connecting thru Tor. I'll paste my log on a paste bin for you, so you 'll se that I corrected myself before you did, at least from *my* point of view |
| 13:42.08 | moshii | nb_alpha: there are a few types of modem .. ones that are a real hardware modem and those that require software to do most of the work |
| 13:42.29 | moshii | nb_alpha: the later type are known as winmodems |
| 13:42.46 | nb_alpha | moshii: i have a winmodem |
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| 13:43.14 | moshii | nb_alpha: sorry, getting ahead of myself, it's a modem in the 56k sense not an ADSL one? |
| 13:43.16 | scoobie2 | abrotman: Yay! With a little tweaking, your line worked perfectly. I love you! |
| 13:43.16 | nb_alpha | so how can I install it for my debian sarge |
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| 13:43.26 | abrotman | scoobie2: enjoy :) |
| 13:43.26 | nb_alpha | yes |
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| 13:43.37 | nb_alpha | moshii: pci modem 56kbps |
| 13:43.50 | barnseenio | anyone familiar with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 13:44.02 | abrotman | just ask |
| 13:44.03 | moshii | nb_alpha: http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/sl-modem-daemon |
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| 13:44.14 | moshii | nb_alpha: seems to be what you need |
| 13:44.21 | barnseenio | im trying to compile mt-daapd on an nslu2, i have the source extracted and configured but am getting the following error message (even though a debian dir exists) : NSUL2:~/mt-daapd-0.2.4# dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is : can anyone help? |
| 13:44.30 | peterS | ph00: bring it on. http://paste.debian.net/10832 |
| 13:44.53 | barnseenio | the changelog was in the source as ChangeLog, after rename it still moans about wrong format. anyway to get buildpackage to 'ignore' changelog? |
| 13:45.01 | nb_alpha | moshii: sl-modem-daemon need a slamr ... I prob it to kernel but noway |
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| 13:46.13 | ph00 | peters, hey, it's true, in your log you corrected me before I did. Mine is @ http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=8114 |
| 13:46.19 | moshii | nb_alpha:google for debian smartlink pci modem |
| 13:46.31 | moshii | nb_alpha: there are a few howto's around |
| 13:46.46 | peterS | ok |
| 13:47.13 | ph00 | peters I must have have some serious slow down here. Or maybe you do. How long did it take before you posted the correction? |
| 13:47.28 | peterS | ph00: my paste has timestamps |
| 13:47.35 | Hoxzer | has somebody here configured torrentflux with apache? |
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| 13:47.44 | ph00 | I posted my self correction some 30 seconds after the wrong 192 |
| 13:47.45 | nb_alpha | moshii: thx a lot . . . but if I m here that I havent any solution ... I checked google and some howto ... but I havent solution |
| 13:47.51 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 13:47.51 | nb_alpha | moshii: thx again |
| 13:47.57 | ph00 | I'm sorry I don't have timestamps in my client |
| 13:48.05 | jetscreamer | more lies |
| 13:48.08 | ph00 | but I've seen how it looked like for you |
| 13:48.08 | jetscreamer | and hax |
| 13:48.25 | barnseenio | anyone has any help on my buildpackage / mt-daapd compile changelog problem? |
| 13:48.28 | ph00 | is it possible to get retroactive timestamps? |
| 13:48.39 | blondie | no |
| 13:48.43 | jetscreamer | yes it's called $EDITOR |
| 13:48.45 | moshii | nb_alpha: you might want to invest in a hardware modem :) |
| 13:48.47 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 13:48.52 | peterS | ph00: yeah at my end your correction came about 2 minutes after your post. if you typed them within 30 seconds, there's definitely lag _somewhere_ |
| 13:49.08 | nb_alpha | moshii: I think to do it so |
| 13:49.10 | jetscreamer | smartlink is opensource kernel module? |
| 13:49.31 | jetscreamer | it's the only one i've seen that looks like it might work out of the box, but i've never done it |
| 13:49.33 | ph00 | must be my side, as I said, I'm connecting thru Tor, and you that can slow down quite a bit |
| 13:49.58 | ph00 | "and you *know* that... blah blah blah |
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| 13:50.33 | blondie | damn tor users! :P |
| 13:51.00 | jetscreamer | tor has legitimate uses! |
| 13:51.33 | blondie | umm |
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| 13:51.58 | appelza | any of you know of a simple way to monitor traffic based on ip addressed (ive looked at ntop and nrtg, neither do what I want) |
| 13:52.38 | ph00 | blondie, it's a principle thing, I can't accept those new "security" things. I don't really have anything to hide but I think that they need a good reason to spy, now they're allowed to do whatever they want to (police etc) so I guess it's our duty to make it as difficult as possible for them |
| 13:52.45 | Bry2k200 | jetscreamer; locked up at the same place again m8 |
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| 13:53.19 | blondie | ph00: I can't get irssi to connect to the new silly freenode tor thing |
| 13:53.28 | liable | nb_alpha: get the scanmodem package from linmodems.org. You will prolly find that its supported by in kernel modem modules. run it and look at the ouput. If you cant understand it, ask here, or the linmodems mailing list |
| 13:53.29 | blondie | (well, I can't get my privoxy to work with .onion addresses) |
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| 13:54.05 | KBSSA_ | Hello |
| 13:54.08 | ph00 | blondie try xchat, works fine |
| 13:54.08 | blondie | privoxy or tor itself |
| 13:54.14 | ph00 | tor itself |
| 13:54.14 | blondie | ph00: no thanks |
| 13:54.32 | blondie | irssi is the only irc client that's good :P |
| 13:54.35 | ph00 | you don't need privoxy if you don't have to query a dns |
| 13:54.36 | blondie | it's not irssi that's not working, it's tor |
| 13:54.55 | blondie | it works for "normal" things, but not .onion addreses |
| 13:55.14 | ph00 | OK, do it like this: connect thhru 127.0.0.1:9050 socks 5 |
| 13:55.25 | blondie | that won't work |
| 13:55.36 | Bushmills | blondie, tor and privoxy on same, or different machines? |
| 13:55.38 | blondie | tor can't find the .onion addresses |
| 13:55.41 | blondie | the same one |
| 13:55.42 | ph00 | blondie to connect to .onion address you have to use 9050 not 8118 |
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| 13:55.51 | blondie | ph00: I know how to use it |
| 13:55.58 | ph00 | blondie are you sure you set it to socks 5? |
| 13:56.04 | ph00 | just checking |
| 13:56.16 | Bushmills | blondie, aware that privoxy is a web proxy, and tor is socks4/socks5 proxy? |
| 13:56.22 | blondie | sigh |
| 13:56.25 | ph00 | of course you do, but you could have missed something, it happens me all the time |
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| 13:56.35 | blondie | tor works, but .onion addresses don't |
| 13:56.51 | blondie | so if I use firefox via privoxy, it tor-ifies everything, but can't find .onion addresses |
| 13:57.03 | Bushmills | 'k |
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| 13:57.23 | blondie | privoxy says the address can't be found |
| 13:57.52 | ph00 | blondie if .onion adrresses don't work then you have probably misconfigured something, double check you settings, that's what I would do; that's why I posted the correct settings |
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| 13:58.26 | ph00 | I wasn't saying that you can't use tor, only that maybe something is wrong in your configuration, that happens to everybody |
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| 13:58.28 | groton | hello all |
| 13:58.32 | ph00 | even real hackers |
| 13:58.48 | blondie | ph00: those settings aren't the problem. |
| 13:58.50 | groton | anyone ever run debian with the colinux kernel? |
| 13:58.55 | Bry2k200 | should i use LVM? |
| 13:59.00 | blondie | ph00: it's tor that is not wokring, not the irc/web/etc client |
| 13:59.01 | Bushmills | maybe a socks4 vs socks 4A |
| 13:59.01 | ph00 | blondie they are. |
| 13:59.06 | Bry2k200 | i'm a debian newbie |
| 13:59.06 | blondie | no they are not |
| 13:59.06 | Bushmills | issue |
| 13:59.14 | ph00 | blondie privoxy says the address can't be found |
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| 13:59.20 | blondie | yes |
| 13:59.32 | ph00 | you should connect directly thru tor, not privoxy |
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| 13:59.43 | blondie | I'm talking about web browsing as well as irc. |
| 13:59.45 | ph00 | that's port 9050 |
| 13:59.49 | blondie | web browsing requires privoxy |
| 13:59.52 | Bry2k200 | anyone......LVM? |
| 13:59.56 | blondie | privoxy talks to tor on port 9050 |
| 14:00.05 | ph00 | yes |
| 14:00.14 | ph00 | have you configured irc for privoxy or not? |
| 14:00.15 | blondie | I'm not using privoxy for irssi, I just use torify |
| 14:00.18 | blondie | no |
| 14:00.32 | blondie | "torify irssi" tells irssi to use tor. |
| 14:00.52 | ph00 | so you configured irc for 127.0.0:9050, right? is it set to socks5? |
| 14:00.56 | tijn | is there a good checker for mbox files? |
| 14:00.57 | blondie | NO! |
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| 14:01.05 | ph00 | why not |
| 14:01.06 | blondie | ph00: have you used "torify"? |
| 14:01.08 | ph00 | it should |
| 14:01.59 | blondie | ph00: using torify, you don't have to specify socks settings in the irc client |
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| 14:02.09 | blondie | you just use the .onion name, that's it |
| 14:02.17 | ph00 | I use tor and privoxy, nothing else, more stuff , more things can go wrong.... and *my* connection works great *even* on .onion adresses. maybe you should dum torify |
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| 14:02.43 | ph00 | blondie, you just use the .onion name, but it doesn't work |
| 14:02.52 | ph00 | try without torify |
| 14:03.26 | blondie | torify is what freenode say to use |
| 14:03.43 | ph00 | anyways, there's a #tor channel, this is OT right here |
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| 14:04.20 | ph00 | screw what "they say" do twhat works. tor+privoxy and no torify *works* |
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| 14:05.04 | fmarostica | Anyone used apache2 + snmp (ap2_snmp) ? |
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| 14:05.42 | ph00 | I'm in the middle of an upgrade and the damn thing asks question I can't answer to |
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| 14:05.59 | appelza | any of you know of a simple way to monitor traffic based on ip addressed (ive looked at ntop and nrtg, neither do what I want) |
| 14:06.05 | is_null | hello everybody, when runned apt-src install php5, how to change configure options before building package please ? |
| 14:06.13 | finrod | Hm. Is there a better lightweight WM/DE for users used to windows (In this case: My mother) than Xfce? She's running KDE at the moment, but it seems too heavyweight for her old P2. |
| 14:06.16 | ph00 | should I upgrade glibc now? |
| 14:06.28 | Bushmills | appelza: tshark ex tethereal |
| 14:06.36 | liable | is_null: in the debian/rules file |
| 14:07.07 | ph00 | anybody? |
| 14:07.09 | is_null | ah, thank you very much liable ! finally i understand |
| 14:07.11 | wols_ | ph00: what question? |
| 14:07.17 | ph00 | Do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n] |
| 14:07.19 | wols_ | and what has your libc to do with upgrading? |
| 14:07.20 | fndude | I am trying to edit a conf file in my initrd. I use cpio and gunzip to take it apart. And cpio and gzip to put it back. This however fails. Do I need some special magic in cpio to make this work? |
| 14:07.24 | appelza | thanks. |
| 14:07.32 | is_null | ph00: i did, it works |
| 14:07.36 | abrotman | finrod: maybe icewm .. which can be skinned to look like windows |
| 14:07.41 | wols_ | ph00: yes you do normally. provided it's a good glibc from your debian repository |
| 14:07.44 | ph00 | I don't know, I'm a poor noob in the middle of things I don't understand... |
| 14:07.57 | ph00 | well OK then... |
| 14:08.16 | is_null | finrod: maybe openbox with one desktop and a simple panel like perlpanel or pypanel or fbpanel |
| 14:08.18 | stew | ph00: you should probably stick with stable and not upgrade glibc then |
| 14:08.26 | scoobie2 | gah. Why doesn't uniq have an option for printing only repeated lines, but all of them? Like, if I have the line "foo" twice in a file, I want two lines of foo printed, and nothing else. |
| 14:08.29 | ph00 | woops! too late |
| 14:08.31 | is_null | she needs a start menu, a task bar, a system tray, that is all |
| 14:08.40 | jetscreamer | icewm is a good option |
| 14:08.54 | jetscreamer | i like the silverxp theme lately |
| 14:09.00 | stew | appelza: iptraf will let you filter which traffic it shows you |
| 14:09.02 | finrod | abrotman: It's not the look that's important, more the "feel". As in, Window decorations with minimize/maximize/close buttons, a taskbar, a "start menu" |
| 14:09.09 | liable | fndude: how does it fail? when i had to poke aroun in an initrd, i just gunzipped it and rezippe |
| 14:09.12 | finrod | abrotman: But I'll look into icewm. |
| 14:09.25 | finrod | is_null: I'll look into that as well, thank you. |
| 14:09.51 | abrotman | finrod: yeah .. there are themes that mimic windows almost exactly .. and then others not so much |
| 14:10.05 | is_null | finrod: what she really needs is a system with applications in her languages, btw, aren't you from #goulag ? |
| 14:10.08 | ph00 | goddamn xserver-xorg |
| 14:10.28 | fndude | liable: Hrm, the file size when I rezipped it was different, then I get a RAMDISK incomplete write on boot, and a Kernel Panic, unable to mount root. This is just testing to see if I can take it apart and put it back together, not change anything. |
| 14:10.33 | ph00 | I'm happy with xserver-xfree86, why can't I keep that? |
| 14:11.10 | finrod | abrotman: #goulag? Never heard of it. And it already is a system with LANG=de_DE. Also, she knows the applications she uses. (Opera for browsing and mail, licq for ICQ, xmms for Music. She doesn't need much more.) |
| 14:11.12 | blondie | because it's not "free enough" for debian |
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| 14:11.25 | is_null | sorry, i know another finrod |
| 14:11.37 | liable | fndude: rename the initrd to initrd-image-foo.gz, then gunzip, muck around, the rezip, and rename. thats all i did and it worked |
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| 14:12.13 | stew | ph00: becuase newer versions are not free and are not packaged for debian |
| 14:12.20 | fndude | liable: um, ok I'll try that. I was under the impression that the newer kernels use a cpio archive thats zipped.....but thanks. |
| 14:12.44 | pflanze | Hello. How do I find out what source changes happened on a particular package? Maybe a public debian cvs/versioning repository? |
| 14:12.48 | liable | fndude: they prolly do, this was a while ago with a much older kernel. |
| 14:13.00 | abrotman | finrod: i don't konw anhythinga bout #goulag |
| 14:13.17 | scoobie2 | I have a sorted file with lots of lines like "123456 123" with a bunch of different numbers. I need to print the lines where the first of the numbers are equal to those of another line. Like, I might have 3 lines starting with 123456 and 3 others starting with 122122, then those repeated lines are the only ones I want. Seems like the exact thing uniq can't do :( Help? |
| 14:13.30 | stew | fndude: how are you rezipping it? i've done what you describe with no problems |
| 14:13.35 | is_null | finrod: apt-cache search panel, you could try them and find one that suits you, also, i think you need to apt rox, and start it like this : rox-filer --pinboard=PIN &&, to display icons on the desktop,and supply explorer-like windows |
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| 14:14.06 | fndude | stew: gzip -9 > filename |
| 14:14.09 | is_null | finrod: http://applications.linux.com/applications/06/01/24/1611254.shtml?tid=13 |
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| 14:14.48 | stew | fndude: i never used -9 but i dunno if that matters, and this is after you ran cpio -o? |
| 14:15.08 | fndude | stew: hrm mabye better to show you the whole command..: find . | cpio -o | gzip -9 > filename |
| 14:15.34 | fndude | stew: something like that, it looks like it works, the same file, but its broke. |
| 14:15.37 | stew | scoobie2: sounds like a job for awk |
| 14:15.49 | ph00 | stew I never got this upgrade to work so far. what happens is that when I reboot it can't load X and when I try my "standard" nvidia install (nvidia-kernel-headers and stuff) it never works. Ho do I install nvidia drivers on etch? will the text-installer from nvidia.com work? (it doesn't on sarge) |
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| 14:16.08 | stew | ph00: i don't help with non-free drivers |
| 14:16.22 | ph00 | any free driver that work? |
| 14:16.27 | stew | fndude: that's what i have done but without the -9 |
| 14:16.41 | wols_ | ph00: nv will, but no 3D |
| 14:16.41 | stew | ph00: what video chipset do you have? |
| 14:16.52 | wols_ | ph00: usually people use the nvidia packages from sid |
| 14:16.54 | ph00 | nvidia geforce4 |
| 14:17.02 | fndude | stew: well man, this is pretty frustrating, I hate to have to install mkinitrd just to change 1 line in a conf file. hrm. |
| 14:17.03 | ph00 | I'll try that |
| 14:17.24 | stew | fndude: no, don't use mkinitrd, use initramfs-tools or yaird |
| 14:17.49 | is_null | anyone already tweaked debian/rules for php5 package please ? i do not figure out how to disable zend-debugger, it is incompatible with activestate komodo ... please ? |
| 14:17.52 | fndude | stew: I am using etch, so I assume initramfs |
| 14:18.00 | stew | ph00: that should be supported "man nv" would list the specific chipsets it supports |
| 14:18.17 | stew | fndude: could be either, you should use initramfs-tool if you use udev or yaird if you do not |
| 14:18.34 | ph00 | man nv OK |
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| 14:19.27 | fndude | stew: well thanks for letting me know at least my logic here is correct. I don't why its failing however. Guess It's back to the grind. |
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| 14:27.20 | k31th | aparntly the version in the deb stable repo is buggy, is it likely to get updated? |
| 14:27.28 | k31th | Guys im having great problems with my Debian server running Postfix and Mailscanner after a couple of hours mail scanner hangs and then all the mail gets Q'd to go thru mailscanner as soon as i restart mail scanner it sends all the mail it has Q'd but then after a few hours it does the same |
| 14:27.37 | k31th | anyone else use debian sarge mailscanner and postfix ? |
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| 14:30.45 | ph00 | y |
| 14:31.01 | ph00 | wrong window... |
| 14:31.05 | SpeedyG | #apache seems dead, anyone here an idea of why moduserdir doesnt allow me access? |
| 14:31.06 | k31th | ph00: you talking to me? |
| 14:31.13 | ph00 | nope |
| 14:31.17 | k31th | ok |
| 14:31.39 | ph00 | I wanted to hit Y on the terminal but I had the wrong window in focus |
| 14:32.06 | k31th | lol ok |
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| 14:32.47 | abrotman | SpeedyG: #apache is really the better place to ask .. be patient |
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| 14:33.32 | SpeedyG | abrotman: I know, but perhaps anyone here knows, after all it's running on a debian box ;0 |
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| 14:36.39 | Hoxzer | how do I update locate db? |
| 14:36.50 | SpeedyG | updatedb? |
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| 14:38.18 | trygg | Can i get a little quickhelp, i want to rar (or zip) everything thats in my home folder that starts with ., how can i do that easily? |
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| 14:38.25 | trygg | I dont want to mess it up since im backing everything up |
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| 14:40.48 | abrotman | SpeedyG: then you'd need to give us more info |
| 14:41.23 | SpeedyG | well, all i've done is look in the apache config to see if it was enabled... which it wasnt, so I enabled it and then restarted |
| 14:41.28 | SpeedyG | but still a 403 error |
| 14:41.36 | Nigromante | tar cvzf backup_file "/home/*/.*" |
| 14:41.53 | SpeedyG | then I took a look at the mods-enabled, if mod-userdir was there, it was enabled |
| 14:41.58 | SpeedyG | and still nothing worked :/ |
| 14:42.17 | abrotman | you might need to actually setup a directive for it |
| 14:42.19 | Hoxzer | apache doesn't follow symbolic links? |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | Hoxzer: not by default .. you coould do very bad things with that |
| 14:42.44 | Hoxzer | ;) |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | Hoxzer: ln -s /etc/passwd herehackers.txt |
| 14:43.20 | RvGaTe | OMG... i just told my co-worker that the windows server we have, has 23 ports open... note that this is a webserver only... so no need for all those ports... he simply "zipped" me by telling: only 23 of the few thousends there are?... and he walked away.... and he's a system admin... |
| 14:43.20 | Hoxzer | :D herehackers.txt sounds funny |
| 14:43.58 | SpeedyG | lol RvGaTe |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | RvGaTe: not your problem |
| 14:44.36 | RvGaTe | abrotman, i know, but these kind of people iritate me... :S |
| 14:44.52 | Daedalus_ | RvGaTe: I knew a guy who would boast about his sysadmin duties over a "large" server farm..... and then he asked me how to change his passwd |
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| 14:44.56 | Nigromante | depends on the ports... |
| 14:45.28 | is_null | hello evreybody, i am trying to build a package downloaded with apt-src and a tweaked debian/rules file. apt-build --source --reinstall install php5 seems to download sources, wich should erase my debian/rules shouldn't it ? so why am i mistaking the use of --source option please ? |
| 14:45.37 | RvGaTe | Nigromante, see for yourself... do a scan on 213.206.91.19 |
| 14:45.45 | Nigromante | ok |
| 14:46.24 | moshii | RvGaTe: Never tell other people how to do their job if you want to keep your own |
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| 14:46.39 | moshii | RvGaTe: The sad but true state of employment |
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| 14:46.58 | Daedalus_ | moshii: so, the only solution is to let the company server get hacked? |
| 14:47.00 | Nigromante | moshii perhaps his work depends on that man's work... |
| 14:47.01 | pzn | Hi! does anyone knows a channel about makefiles/make? |
| 14:47.18 | moshii | Daedalus_: if so yes |
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| 14:47.45 | RvGaTe | moshii, my work does indeed depend on his work for a small part... |
| 14:47.46 | ktwilight | life :( |
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| 14:47.52 | Daedalus_ | moshii: that's stupid advice. |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | RvGaTe: please don't do that |
| 14:47.58 | moshii | Daedalus_: seriously, start poking your fingers into other people's 'duties' and you'll end up out of the door |
| 14:48.22 | Nigromante | hey I got the ports |
| 14:48.32 | RvGaTe | abrotman, sorry for going off-topic, just had to share.... happy hacking :P |
| 14:48.34 | Nigromante | buffffff |
| 14:48.35 | ktwilight | isn't it that that person be kicked out and you'll be promoted to have his/her job too? |
| 14:48.36 | is_null | nevermind, i beleive i was supposed to use : apt-src build php5 |
| 14:49.05 | RvGaTe | Nigromante, quite allot for a webserver huh? |
| 14:49.06 | abrotman | RvGaTe: offtopic is one thing .. you just asked someone to portscan a system you don't control . which some could view as a crack attempt and alert the authorities |
| 14:49.09 | Nigromante | yes |
| 14:49.14 | Nigromante | Windows 2003 ? |
| 14:49.22 | Daedalus_ | moshii: there are ways around that. It usually involves dropping a hint to your sup that something is amiss. Then the sup forces the other guy to do it. Faces are saved. Everyone wins. |
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| 14:49.31 | ktwilight | sad but true |
| 14:50.16 | RvGaTe | Nigromante, yes, but shall we keep it silent... (aka pm and/or /#windows) to keep this channel clean :) |
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| 14:50.30 | moshii | Daedalus_: That is unless the people above you dislike the fact that you know something they didn't and seek to remove you incase it happens again |
| 14:50.43 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 14:51.44 | moshii | Daedalus_: I'm sitting here watching the two engineers having issues getting the apache build right, i know how to fix it but saying so would get me a kick in the head from the CTO |
| 14:51.50 | Daedalus_ | moshii: if you're in that kind of a work situation, you should be happy when they fire you. There are very few cases in business where mgmt has the technical knowledge required to know as much or more than their underlings. |
| 14:52.11 | ktwilight | surprisingly true... |
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| 14:52.47 | RvGaTe | moshii, Daedalus_, they mostly respect suggestions etc... as long as they are windows related over here... if i start any sentince with: "in linux you could..." they zip me.. lol |
| 14:52.58 | Daedalus_ | moshii: that is not a security problem. The above was. Know the difference, else you will be the one at the end of the noose for having noticed, but not said anything. |
| 14:53.33 | moshii | Daedalus_: depends what exactly *your job* is doesn't really |
| 14:54.25 | moshii | Daedalus_: *doesn't it really |
| 14:55.36 | is_null | please, anyone knows how to disable zend engine in debian/rules of package php5 ? |
| 14:55.48 | Daedalus_ | Dude. If you notice something is not secure, and you point it out, your job is done. If they fail to act on it, then that's their fault. If you keep your trap shut and don't say anything, then it is your fault. If your CTO is going to take your head off for notifying him of a security hole, then you should be very very worried about the security of your personal information at the firm. |
| 14:56.16 | xored | iam using phpmyadmin for a longer time, but the first time with mysql5. Somehow when the table hasmore then 20 rows, he just doesn show any content, he doesnt event react on searches or smth. anybody a clue ? |
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| 14:59.57 | moshii | Daedalus_: The problem here, ports being open, isn't one you can just notice. Unless you're working in security can port scanning machines be considered part of your job? |
| 15:00.50 | moshii | Daedalus_: you don't give the people in the call centre nmap do you ;) |
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| 15:01.39 | Daedalus_ | moshii: chalk it up to curiosity. You were checking your personal machine and decided to point a scan at one of the work machines for comparison. |
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| 15:03.07 | Daedalus_ | moshii: we most certainly do. The people at the call center have lots of downtime. If they can do something useful, even accidentally, then their time is not so much wasted. |
| 15:03.10 | chris|alt | hi. I got some problem with ALSA. When shutting down my system, it hangs when alsa should be closed. Could anyone please tell me where to look for the error? |
| 15:03.41 | moshii | Daedalus_: Slightly irresponsible |
| 15:03.57 | Daedalus_ | chris|alt: I'm not sure what you mean. ALSA is not a program... it doesn't really get closed |
| 15:04.44 | Daedalus_ | moshii: Remind me to never work for you. |
| 15:04.46 | chris|alt | Daedalus_, when shutting down the pc..entering runlevel 3,2,1.. the driver also get's shutted down. In that moment, the pc hangs. noting continues |
| 15:04.54 | chris|alt | during the shutdown progress, you see. |
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| 15:06.04 | moshii | Daedalus_: Remind me to never let you admin my systems |
| 15:06.06 | Daedalus_ | chris|alt, I dunno. Maybe it's a hardware thing. I'd check the web for answers. |
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| 15:06.43 | drantin | is it heresy to run a debian chroot in gentoo? |
| 15:06.45 | moshii | Daedalus_: You'd never let call centre staff have access to tools or machines they don't need in their work |
| 15:07.34 | chris|alt | Probably it is one..but I had the ALSA driver directly from Asus where I got my board from.. it should be a intel 8x0 chipset..so shouldn't be that problem. Is there any log file of the shutdown process where I could look for errors? |
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| 15:07.51 | Daedalus_ | moshii: Dude, our call center maybe does different things than yours. We solve problems, not make the users jump through red tape, around in circles, and land confused and frustrated right back where they started. |
| 15:08.49 | Daedalus_ | mashii: And my qualiifcations as an admin have nothing to do with my alignment towards open lines of communication between those who notice problems and those who can fix them. |
| 15:08.54 | SpeedyG | Daedalus_: with some users, thats the right thing to do ;) |
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| 15:09.11 | Daedalus_ | moshii: and finally, this is not #debian conversation, so I suggest we drop it. |
| 15:09.11 | ph00 | ...didn't work |
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| 15:09.41 | moshii | Daedalus_: So in my company you'd say let the customer services people have access to the backend software to deal with customers accounts |
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| 15:10.18 | Daedalus_ | chris|alt: if you are lucky, it might be in /var/log/syslog. But more likely, the hang prevents that file from being updated properly in the last moments of shutdown. |
| 15:10.24 | ph00 | the video card is correctly detected but when it comes to loading X it fails; I'ìm going to try and fix that... |
| 15:10.31 | moshii | Daedalus_: problem is that backend software handles hundreds of thousands of pounds a day and any playing around could cost lots and lots of money ;) |
| 15:10.47 | Aeris | hi |
| 15:10.48 | chris|alt | Daedalus: yeah...could be =/ let's see. |
| 15:10.58 | moshii | chris|alt: have you tried stopping alsa while you're running to se what happneds? |
| 15:11.10 | moshii | chris|alt: happens |
| 15:11.29 | Aeris | i have a problem with apt-get when i try to install a software |
| 15:11.37 | Aeris | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:11.55 | Aeris | could you help me? |
| 15:12.37 | Emiml | Aeris: is that all ? |
| 15:13.10 | chris|alt | moshii, no, not yet. How-to do so? |
| 15:13.27 | moshii | chris|alt: /etc/init.d/alsa stop |
| 15:13.34 | nishan | ph00: try looking in X11-config file in x11 directory and change the video card |
| 15:13.38 | Aeris | apt-get start correctly, but after, this error appears |
| 15:13.54 | moshii | chris|alt: you should press tab after alsa, I'm not on my box so I'm not sure exactly what it is ;) |
| 15:14.17 | chris|alt | let's try |
| 15:14.34 | Emiml | Aeris: but there must be some longer description of this errror |
| 15:15.00 | Aeris | Paramétrage de apache (1.3.34-2) ... |
| 15:15.00 | Aeris | dpkg : erreur de traitement de apache (--configure) : |
| 15:15.00 | Aeris | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.00 | Aeris | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : |
| 15:15.00 | Aeris | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.00 | Aeris | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 15:15.20 | ph00 | nishan the video card was detected correctly, but I'm going to look at the x11 config anyway. I also have another idea of two... if *nothing* works, well we 'll see |
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| 15:15.47 | abrotman | Aeris: in a pastebin please .. and export LANG=C <command> |
| 15:15.51 | ph00 | not onlt pastes in the channel, he does it in *frenck* (shoud be banned for life :-P |
| 15:15.54 | ph00 | y |
| 15:15.56 | Aeris | ^^ |
| 15:16.04 | ph00 | h |
| 15:16.05 | nishan | it happened to mee too. just change there. it will work correctly |
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| 15:16.16 | SpeedyG | lol ph00 |
| 15:16.25 | ph00 | nishan OK I will. thx |
| 15:17.24 | chris|alt | ok..nothin' in syslog.. so Ill try to stop it now. |
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| 15:19.39 | chris|alt | okay.. I now stopped alsa and there's just written "shutting down alsa.." but nothing more happens. |
| 15:19.47 | chris|alt | unfortuanately, there's no entry in syslog.. |
| 15:20.13 | Aeris | abrotman > http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?84 |
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| 15:20.42 | abrotman | Aeris: export LANG=C <command> |
| 15:20.56 | abrotman | Aeris: my french is a little rusty :) |
| 15:21.01 | Aeris | :) |
| 15:21.10 | Aeris | my english too :p |
| 15:21.15 | abrotman | wtf is 836ko ? :) |
| 15:21.33 | ph00 | I could speak some french once but I never learned how to read & write it |
| 15:22.08 | ph00 | I hear you thinking "so what?" |
| 15:22.48 | jetscreamer | i was forced to take 10th grade french |
| 15:22.54 | user31 | hello to all |
| 15:23.05 | is_null | putain de touche |
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| 15:23.11 | jetscreamer | thing is, everybody else started in 1st grade, and it was required |
| 15:23.20 | nishan | hi to u too user31 |
| 15:23.20 | moshii | that was it :( |
| 15:23.24 | jetscreamer | i showed up a few days out of the year |
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| 15:23.29 | abrotman | i had two semesters in college .. first i had the hot grad student from canada .. then i had the woman from belguim ... what a difference |
| 15:23.38 | ph00 | I can't find my xserver-xorg config file... |
| 15:23.44 | jetscreamer | !lart quebec |
| 15:23.45 | ph00 | I'm looking in /etc/X11 but... |
| 15:23.50 | abrotman | /etc/X11/ |
| 15:24.01 | jetscreamer | xorg.conf |
| 15:24.32 | User900 | hello anyone, i need "support", do you know combination "debian & asterisk" ? |
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| 15:24.43 | ph00 | nope. that's the old xserver-xfree86 config file. I'm looking for the xserver-xorg file |
| 15:24.43 | jetscreamer | #asterisk |
| 15:24.49 | chris|alt | ok..here's what I got from dmesg, after exiting the command by ctrl+c again. http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?84 |
| 15:24.51 | chris|alt | anyone a clue? |
| 15:24.52 | jetscreamer | xorg.conf |
| 15:24.55 | nishan | ph00:isn't there anything like x11config?? |
| 15:24.56 | Emiml | Aeris: your apache is strill running. Or you have some leftover |
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| 15:25.11 | Emiml | Aeris: try # invoke-rc.d apache stop |
| 15:25.12 | jetscreamer | if you have XFree86-4 ... |
| 15:25.18 | User900 | server says You must be identify before joining #asterisk |
| 15:25.26 | Coke | How do I find the abuse adress for a network using whois? |
| 15:25.28 | Emiml | Aeris: then remove apache |
| 15:25.30 | jetscreamer | err XFree86Config-4 |
| 15:25.38 | jetscreamer | XF86? |
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| 15:25.51 | abrotman | chris|alt: it's still in french |
| 15:25.52 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:25.52 | dpkg_ | well, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
| 15:26.01 | Emiml | Aeris: if not. Do killall apache, and the remove. And if not remove /var/run/apache.pid and the apt-get remove |
| 15:26.04 | Aeris | abrotman > http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?85 |
| 15:26.08 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:26.27 | cahoot | chris|alt: you sure that's the correct url? |
| 15:26.48 | nishan | emimal and aeris: why r u both killing everything? |
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| 15:26.50 | Aeris | Emiml > this error occurs with all package |
| 15:26.52 | ph00 | I know that beacuse dpkg-reconfigure identified the video card as "nvidia ge force 4 mx something blah blah blah" and the files I find in /etc/x11/ have only "geforce4", that was the sarge config file |
| 15:26.52 | abrotman | Aeris: one is a purge .. one is an install ... |
| 15:27.12 | Aeris | all command apt-get return this error |
| 15:27.14 | abrotman | Aeris: touch /var/run/apache.pid ... try to purge it again |
| 15:27.15 | user31 | the directory is missing /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build/.tmp_versions/ where may I find it? |
| 15:27.18 | ph00 | xorg.conf is about the old install... |
| 15:27.25 | Aeris | install, remove, upadte, upgrade.... |
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| 15:27.30 | Aeris | with all package |
| 15:27.53 | ph00 | anyways, let me try another approach, I'll be back when I realize how stupid that is... |
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| 15:28.15 | nishan | what r u going to try?? |
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| 15:29.55 | eifzon | hello |
| 15:30.14 | eifzon | how do i install apt-get ?? |
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| 15:30.41 | pingouin | eifzon: which linux distro do you run ? |
| 15:30.50 | eifzon | deb? |
| 15:30.50 | eifzon | ;) |
| 15:30.56 | Coke | ripe database mail filtering.. buh. |
| 15:30.58 | ph00 | I'm going to switch the repos back to sarge, update-but-not upgrade, and then try again, and that would be stupid thing #1; while stupid thing #2 would be download and run the prepackaged nvidia .run installer that only worked *once* on skackware of the maybe ten times I tried, and *never* worked on debian or ubuntu |
| 15:31.03 | ph00 | but anyway |
| 15:31.19 | pingouin | eifzon: so...apt-get is already on you're system right from the installation...i guess |
| 15:31.24 | eifzon | nope |
| 15:31.25 | eifzon | :P |
| 15:31.30 | Coke | ph00: it has worked EVERY time I've used it in Debian |
| 15:31.34 | ph00 | I have to try, otherwise I would keep wondering if that wether that would work... |
| 15:31.37 | pingouin | eifzon: how's that ?! |
| 15:31.45 | ph00 | coke it did? |
| 15:31.48 | ph00 | cool |
| 15:31.53 | Coke | ph00: since 1997 |
| 15:31.57 | ph00 | that makes my odds somewhat better |
| 15:32.02 | pingouin | eifzon: when you type apt- [then TAB on your keyboard] what's append ? |
| 15:32.05 | Coke | ph00: or 98. |
| 15:32.21 | Coke | ph00: just remember that Xorg has the libraries in a different location than XFree86 |
| 15:32.41 | ph00 | I was still on windoze then, I've been on linux since less than one year... and I aint no fast learner either |
| 15:32.42 | eifzon | what is the command to downoad ApT-GET ?" |
| 15:32.48 | Coke | ph00: you can do symlinks or just run the nvidia script with -x to extract the files and copy them to the right place. |
| 15:32.56 | pingouin | eifzon: apt-get install apt-get :) |
| 15:33.03 | eifzon | apt-get command not found) |
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| 15:33.06 | eifzon | -.- |
| 15:33.07 | Hoxzer | Hmmm |
| 15:33.10 | Hoxzer | guys guys ;) |
| 15:33.12 | Hoxzer | girls also |
| 15:33.13 | pingouin | eifzon: are you simple user ? |
| 15:33.16 | eifzon | no |
| 15:33.19 | eifzon | ;P |
| 15:33.20 | Coke | Hoxzer: you wish... |
| 15:33.24 | Hoxzer | Coke: :D |
| 15:33.31 | pingouin | eifzon: go root to do that - if you're not already |
| 15:33.33 | eifzon | just answer my question, if u dont know it please dont answer :) |
| 15:33.47 | Hoxzer | But the problem is that apache doesn't actually let php files to execute <3 |
| 15:33.49 | eifzon | pingouin, sudo apt-get download apt-get ..? |
| 15:33.57 | Hoxzer | it lets everybody to download them :DD |
| 15:34.01 | eifzon | apt-get install apt-get |
| 15:34.15 | Coke | eifzon: what is the question? |
| 15:34.18 | azeem | eifzon: apt-get is already installed, just run it as root or with sudo |
| 15:34.44 | eifzon | I DONT GOT IT |
| 15:34.46 | eifzon | understand Ö(U |
| 15:35.04 | eifzon | azeem and if i dont got it, can u tell me how to get it? |
| 15:35.12 | ph00 | n |
| 15:35.13 | user31 | eifzon: type "su" without quotes |
| 15:35.16 | azeem | eifzon: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:35.21 | nishan | apt-get is in base package. it will be installed weather u like it or not |
| 15:35.26 | user31 | then type your password |
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| 15:35.35 | user31 | and type "apt-get install sudo" |
| 15:35.42 | Coke | eifzon: you must have it. |
| 15:35.43 | user31 | obviously without quotes |
| 15:36.01 | Coke | hehehe. |
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| 15:36.17 | Coke | that's good. let the retards use windows and fedora. |
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| 15:36.25 | user31 | I'm not sure he was running Debian |
| 15:36.30 | user31 | :D |
| 15:36.51 | Coke | ofcourse not. Debian requires an intellectual capacity of a jellyfish. It says so on the box. |
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| 15:37.25 | xored | iam running apache2 and php5 under sarge stable, when i try to run phpmyadmin, the error.log of apache gives me a : child pid 9147 exit signal Segmentation fault (11). Is the php build somehow broken ? |
| 15:37.43 | jbalcomb | where do i find kernel-headers for 2.6.12.6-xenU? |
| 15:37.47 | Hoxzer | Guys |
| 15:37.49 | Hoxzer | What is this |
| 15:38.00 | Hoxzer | how do I make apache to execute php files |
| 15:38.13 | Coke | Hoxzer: install and configure the php module properly |
| 15:38.20 | stew | xored: where did you install php5 from? |
| 15:38.26 | xored | stew: backports |
| 15:38.27 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 15:38.27 | dpkg_ | it has been said that marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 15:38.27 | stew | Hoxzer: a2enmod php4 |
| 15:38.30 | zinx | Hoxzer: install libapache{,2}-mod-php{4,5} |
| 15:38.31 | nishan | jbalcomb: find it in a search engine. u eill find it. |
| 15:38.51 | xored | stew: i guess, one sec |
| 15:39.00 | jbalcomb | nishan: :/ did not match any documents |
| 15:39.00 | Hoxzer | zinx: I already did :( |
| 15:39.03 | zinx | Hoxzer: depending on which version of apache you have, and which version of php you want |
| 15:39.07 | xored | stew: which is the current backports version ? |
| 15:39.14 | stew | xored: i don't know |
| 15:39.31 | Hoxzer | zinx: yep |
| 15:39.32 | stew | xored: what is the version number of your installed libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 15:39.38 | zinx | Hoxzer: note that the libapache*-mod-php* packages aren't the same as the php* packages. |
| 15:39.42 | Hoxzer | zinx: webserver just offers me to download those files :/ |
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| 15:40.00 | nishan | jbalcomb: i had gor 2.4 versions. so u must get it. just search it once again |
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| 15:40.16 | chris_abyi | re |
| 15:40.20 | chris_abyi | sorry..has been disconnected |
| 15:40.21 | zinx | Hoxzer: apache has to be restarted.. normally the scripts will do that, but they may not if you're starting it manually. |
| 15:40.34 | xored | stew: one second |
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| 15:41.15 | jbalcomb | nishan: theres only 14 matches for '2.6.12.6-xenU' |
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| 15:41.35 | xored | stew: 5.1.4 |
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| 15:41.50 | du | hi all |
| 15:41.51 | jbalcomb | nishan: can i get away with using some other kernel headers that are close? 2.6.17 maybe? |
| 15:42.13 | jbalcomb | nishan: i just need them to get the fuse module built |
| 15:42.14 | xored | stew: 5.1.4.1.dotdeb.2 |
| 15:42.14 | nishan | u might. |
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| 15:42.40 | du | can anyone redirect me to an how to that describes how to use a printer with samba installed on a windows pc |
| 15:42.42 | stew | xored: yeah those are not from backports, but from dotdeb, i'd recommend switching to the backports packages, many people have had problems with dotdeb |
| 15:43.03 | chris_abyi | okay..back to the ALSA problem: here's my dmesg log, last 4 entries: http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/ (no.86) |
| 15:43.20 | xored | stew: ok, fine. Could you discribe a bit, how can i do this ? |
| 15:43.29 | stew | xored: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 15:43.54 | NiCeBoY | hi stew i need some help from you plz. can u tell me where is the log for root connection are stored plz ? e.g ip logged in ? |
| 15:44.02 | xored | stew: site not found ? |
| 15:44.05 | stew | NiCeBoY: /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:44.28 | NiCeBoY | stew thanks will search for it :) |
| 15:44.36 | du | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.55 | stew | xored: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 15:45.35 | stew | dpkg_: bpo =~ s#backports.org/instructions.html#backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions# |
| 15:45.37 | wols_ | du: samba howto |
| 15:46.24 | thingfish | du: if you're running gnome, gnome-cups-manager is pretty easy to figure out. |
| 15:46.40 | du | thingfish, yes i use gnome |
| 15:46.45 | junix|work | ok i can't get samba to work in unstable....is anyone else having this issue? |
| 15:46.48 | NiCeBoY | stew when i do ps x i saw an unknown process running. how can i found from which folder is the process running. the process is [ /bin/bash ./start 128.2 ] |
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| 15:47.42 | stew | NiCeBoY: ps xwww $pid ; look for the PWD environment variable |
| 15:48.01 | Hoxzer | ... |
| 15:48.07 | NiCeBoY | ok will try st00pid |
| 15:48.11 | NiCeBoY | stew ok will try |
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| 15:49.10 | geemark | is it possible to reduce the RPM on an nVidia Geforce4 cooler using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers? |
| 15:49.25 | zinx | geemark: yeah, using nvclock |
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| 15:49.30 | NiCeBoY | stew i got { 18329 pts/2 R 0:00 ps xwww 257 } |
| 15:49.30 | zinx | well, if that card supports it anyway |
| 15:49.40 | zinx | geemark: but you don't want to reduce it too far :/ |
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| 15:50.06 | stew | NiCeBoY: where i said $pid, you should have filled in the pid of the process you were interested in |
| 15:50.22 | stew | NiCeBoY: oh, wait, that should be ewww not xwwww |
| 15:50.24 | geemark | zinx: all I need it for, is to produce VGA output for MythTV, and it's mpeg2 decoder |
| 15:50.46 | NiCeBoY | stew i inserted { ps xwww $6257 } |
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| 15:51.33 | stew | NiCeBoY: just "ps ewww 6257" |
| 15:52.15 | geemark | zinx: "Error: Your card doesn't support fanspeed adjustments!" - damnit :( |
| 15:52.17 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 15:52.33 | zinx | geemark: :( |
| 15:53.05 | zinx | geemark: you can add a small resistor.. but that's probably not a good idea |
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| 15:54.47 | Yurtle | hello, is there anyone here masterfull with raid 5 ? |
| 15:54.57 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 15:54.58 | dpkg_ | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:55.52 | Yurtle | ... i had a raid 5 array and one drive crashed iwas in the bios and hit reconstruct instead of . whatever iw as supposed to currently have 3 drives onine and its saying reconstruct raid 5 to raid 0. im scared. and its taking forever. |
| 15:55.57 | chris_abyi | hmm..got some question: I want to modify my aterm a bit..(using Xfree86). In some doc, they say to edit .Xdefaults or .Xresources for it..but I haeven't got these files. How to influence aterm then? are there any other files with Xfree86? |
| 15:56.38 | NiCeBoY | stew each time is do ps x or uptime on ssh am getting this message ( Unknown HZ value! (91) Assume 100. ) is there a way to solve it plz? |
| 15:56.47 | wols_ | Yurtle: have you added a new disk before trying to reconstruct? |
| 15:56.53 | Yurtle | wols no |
| 15:57.13 | stew | NiCeBoY: ignore it |
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| 15:57.24 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 15:57.32 | wols_ | that's why it does what it does: only way to keep the data is a raid0 array: you haven't got enough drives to make it a non degraded raid5 one again |
| 15:57.44 | Yurtle | wols, what do you make of my situation. |
| 15:57.59 | Yurtle | wols, i should let it finish and then it will boot ? |
| 15:58.00 | scoobie2 | Can I get grep to output the file name, line number AND the actual line text when it finds a match? |
| 15:58.07 | wols_ | that you sooner or later have a raid0 array if the reconstruction algorithm doesn't screw up |
| 15:58.15 | Yurtle | right. |
| 15:58.26 | stew | Yurtle: note that with raid0 if you lose another drive, you lose all of your data |
| 15:58.29 | wols_ | you have no other choice than let it finish. Dunno if it will boot, but all the data will still be there |
| 15:58.44 | wols_ | if you don't let it finish, no guarantees but rather low chances of saving the data |
| 15:58.45 | abrotman | scoobie2: man grep .. i'm pretty sure you can |
| 15:58.59 | Yurtle | wols, when its done, is it possible. to bring it back up to raid 5 with out haveing to restore from a backup. can i convert from raid 0 to raid 5?.. |
| 15:59.19 | wols_ | probably not. but technically it would be possible. but I wouldn't bet on it |
| 15:59.20 | Yurtle | wols, i had araid 5 with 4 drives and one crashed one hot spare picked up. it was running fine but griping at me. |
| 15:59.30 | abrotman | scoobie2: -n |
| 15:59.33 | stew | scoobie2: -Hn |
| 15:59.41 | Yurtle | should have just rpelaced the drive then huh |
| 15:59.57 | NiCeBoY | stew can u give me the link for the page where i can tag [ paste] a log plz |
| 16:00.03 | abrotman | oh .. missed the filename part :) |
| 16:00.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:00.04 | dpkg_ | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:00.05 | stew | !pastebin |
| 16:00.06 | dpkg_ | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 16:00.15 | abrotman | dpkg_: you have a tail |
| 16:00.15 | wols_ | yes, that's what raid5 does when one disk dies: it runs in degraded mode. still works but it will nag you forever until you replace the dead drive and reconstruct |
| 16:00.24 | NiCeBoY | thanks |
| 16:00.35 | Yurtle | wols, yep :( . |
| 16:00.37 | Yurtle | thanks for info |
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| 16:00.49 | Yurtle | at least i can feel confident that its going to boot up when its done. |
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| 16:01.00 | wols_ | didn't you read? you can't be confident |
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| 16:01.11 | wols_ | you can be confident the data is preserved, that's all |
| 16:01.17 | scoobie2 | abrotman: :D |
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| 16:02.08 | NiCeBoY | stew cam u please check the log on http://channels.debian.net/paste/3436 plz for me and tell me where is the process running because when i go to /var/tmp/ there is nothing |
| 16:02.35 | xored | stew: i just chnaged back to the backports version, and it solved the problem . SO if anybody get segmentation errors in the dotdeb php version ( cannot run phpmyadmin correctly ) ijust switch back |
| 16:02.40 | stew | NiCeBoY: its running from /var/tmp |
| 16:02.45 | xored | stew: thank you a lot, you saved me weeks of work |
| 16:02.54 | stew | xored: you're welcome |
| 16:02.56 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: you can start a process (like top) and then delete the executable on disk |
| 16:03.08 | Yurtle | wols, what do you mean ? |
| 16:03.18 | Yurtle | cant be confident that its gonna boot back up? |
| 16:03.28 | Yurtle | if the reconstruction algo fails right. |
| 16:03.32 | NiCeBoY | wols_ then how can i find the files. because it seems that a hacker has got connection to my ssh and installed some sorts of scanners for exploint on the machine .. |
| 16:03.39 | wols_ | Yurtle: yes, you cannot be confident it will still boot. even when the algo works |
| 16:03.47 | Yurtle | oh |
| 16:03.54 | Bushmills | a *hacker*? |
| 16:03.55 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: you can not. reinstall your OS. |
| 16:04.05 | Bushmills | what kind of use of the word "hacker" is that? |
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| 16:04.16 | NiCeBoY | oh |
| 16:04.17 | NiCeBoY | :( |
| 16:04.28 | wols_ | preserve the logs to maybe figure out how he got in. don't fall for the same exploit twice |
| 16:05.16 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: running any network servers on the machine? |
| 16:05.26 | wols_ | e.g. apache with php perhaps? |
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| 16:06.17 | NiCeBoY | wols_ the shit i did is that i created an account with login name test and password test |
| 16:06.28 | NiCeBoY | the man conencted to this account and do all these shits.. |
| 16:06.37 | infernix | NiCeBoY: lesson learned i guess. |
| 16:06.39 | wols_ | no cure for pebkac... |
| 16:06.50 | NiCeBoY | infernix yeah ;) |
| 16:07.17 | Yurtle | wols, i feel good that it should boot up. |
| 16:07.28 | Bushmills | NiCeBoY: from JargonFile: One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker |
| 16:07.34 | Hoxzer | is there any ENGLISH/finnish how to that would help me to setup apache 1.3 with php support? |
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| 16:07.35 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 16:07.39 | wols_ | Yurtle: is your kernel file on the RAID? |
| 16:07.47 | Yurtle | wols, its a windows box btw. |
| 16:07.50 | NiCeBoY | Bushmills ;) |
| 16:07.59 | wols_ | Hoxzer: install php and you're done |
| 16:08.19 | Hoxzer | wols_: :/ I installed libapache-mod-php4 (or something) and php4 |
| 16:08.41 | Hoxzer | and still it only allows to downlaod php files not execute |
| 16:08.44 | freakzoid0223 | never use actuak names or words from any languages cause a good password cracker contains several dictionaries worth |
| 16:08.50 | wols_ | that's the one. if it doesn't work, look in apache config files to set mime types right |
| 16:08.51 | freakzoid0223 | actual |
| 16:09.13 | Bushmills | better, use PKI |
| 16:09.35 | Bushmills | possibly disable use of interactive password auth completetly |
| 16:10.24 | NiCeBoY | stew is there a comand i can do to kill all process ./ssh-scan 200 on the machine because 1 got some 50 of it running |
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| 16:10.38 | Bushmills | NiCeBoY: pkill |
| 16:11.01 | NiCeBoY | Bushmills : pkill ./ssh-scan 200 |
| 16:11.03 | NiCeBoY | ? |
| 16:11.03 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: first thing you do when exploiter: DISCONNECT the network. and I mean by unjacking the eth jack |
| 16:11.04 | scud | with the display of the uptime command, how does linux averages the system load into numbers of .45 1.45 and etc? |
| 16:11.11 | wols_ | *exploited |
| 16:11.14 | Bushmills | pkill ssh-scan should do |
| 16:11.19 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 16:11.25 | dob1 | xfs-xtt is only related to XFree ? |
| 16:11.27 | Bushmills | possibly pkill -9 ssh-scan |
| 16:11.40 | LoRez | scud: average processes waiting for CPU in each of those time periods |
| 16:11.42 | dob1 | and what is the substitute on xorg for this? |
| 16:11.49 | geemark | how come my NVIDIA card sets the resolution to 1024x768 when I specify 1360x768?? I had it working before with this card/tv combo :S |
| 16:12.31 | Bushmills | geemark: possibly monitor timing in xorg too low |
| 16:12.44 | Bushmills | .conf |
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| 16:13.38 | Bushmills | geemark, look into X log file, should tell why higher resolutions modes are eliminated |
| 16:14.14 | NiCeBoY | Bushmills man is there a way to restric access of users connecting from ssh to the root folder to restric them only to the folder /home/username/ ? because now when users login in ssh the go to /home/username/ but when they did cd / they got access to all the files .. |
| 16:14.21 | hyksos | hi, when i connect with ssh -X and then set export DISPLAY=:0.0 and open e.g. xclock, it pops up on the connected-machine, what must i do that it pops up on my machine |
| 16:14.45 | Bushmills | NiCeBoY: look at keyword chrooted environments |
| 16:15.11 | NiCeBoY | Bushmills man i google it many times but still am not able to set it up :( |
| 16:15.25 | cahoot | hyksos: tried to let ssh set display? |
| 16:15.41 | Bushmills | NiCeBoY: i can't tell you in details in two lines |
| 16:15.41 | stew | NiCeBoY: there is no sane way of doing that that i know of. The problem is that the need access to stuff like /bin /usr/bin /lib /usr/lib /tmp etc. in order for their shell to be useful |
| 16:15.46 | hyksos | cahoot :it should set it automaticall, but it doesnt work |
| 16:16.24 | Bushmills | hyksos: export DISPLAY=localhost:0 |
| 16:16.25 | NiCeBoY | stew its a way i think to secure the ssh |
| 16:16.29 | Hoxzer | wols_: :& where is apache.conf file located as for me it is in /etc/torrentflux/apache.conf strange... |
| 16:17.00 | wols_ | Hoxzer: it isn't. not if you installed .debs from debian |
| 16:17.04 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.04 | Bushmills | hyksos: redo.... leave the DISPLAY=... away |
| 16:17.07 | dob1 | the bot is gone? |
| 16:17.13 | geemark | Bushmills: (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1360x768"; removing. |
| 16:17.16 | wols_ | dob1: changed names |
| 16:17.27 | Bushmills | geemark, read about "setting up your own modelines" |
| 16:17.42 | dob1 | wols_: dpkg_ ? it doesn't work |
| 16:17.45 | Hoxzer | wols_: :/ yeah, I did apt-get install apache |
| 16:17.47 | hyksos | Error: Can't open display: localhost:0 |
| 16:17.56 | Bushmills | hyksos: ssh -Y remote |
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| 16:18.01 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 16:18.05 | geemark | Bushmills: thanks |
| 16:18.09 | Hoxzer | wols_: :< ithis is like wierd... |
| 16:18.11 | wols_ | Hoxzer: apt-cache show policy apache |
| 16:18.21 | Tallu | Bushmills: great whiskey. |
| 16:18.31 | Bushmills | Tallu: agreed |
| 16:18.38 | Bushmills | single malt 10 years |
| 16:18.56 | Tallu | mm. great. :) |
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| 16:19.14 | hyksos | wont work |
| 16:19.21 | ph00 | the nvidia installer script didn't work, but I'm getting closer to understand what the problem is: xserver-xorg stores the configuraton in a file called /etc/X11/X but when I run dpkg-reconfigure it goes thru all the steps but the last one: it doesnt' really update the file. So I tried manually but I can't see any file calleed X in /etc/X11 and when I try to create one the text editor refuses to open it. SO I created the file with another name |
| 16:19.21 | ph00 | , coped the old xfree86 configuration in it, and then renamed to X... and it sidappeared! I double chacked that the option "show hidden files" wan enabled, and it was, but the damn file was still gone. So I though "maibe it's only *well* hidden, and tried booting to etch again but when it should load X, there was no conf file |
| 16:19.46 | ph00 | "coped" the old conf etc, was "copied" |
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| 16:19.56 | Bushmills | hyksos: set up /etc/ssh/sshd_config on remote to do x11 forwarding |
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| 16:20.27 | Hoxzer | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/131651 package "policy" not found :( it says at the end |
| 16:20.55 | wols_ | oops. no "show". mea culpa |
| 16:21.20 | Bushmills | hyksos: X11Forwarding yes |
| 16:21.49 | Hoxzer | wols_: ? culpa? |
| 16:22.23 | hyksos | Bushmills :ok, that i got now, but it pops again on the wrong pc |
| 16:22.24 | wols_ | you need more classical educashion |
| 16:22.37 | Hoxzer | .... |
| 16:22.44 | Bushmills | hyksos: do not set DISPLAY=:0 |
| 16:22.46 | scoobie2 | gah! I'm on this old Unix box, and as soon as I add more than two strings to the print command, it gives me a > prompt. annoying. |
| 16:22.54 | Hoxzer | so solution? |
| 16:23.00 | Bushmills | echo DISPLAY should give localhost:10.0 or such |
| 16:23.05 | Bushmills | echo $DISPLAY |
| 16:23.14 | Hoxzer | wols_: solution? |
| 16:23.45 | wols_ | no "show" in the line? |
| 16:24.06 | hyksos | there isnt a DISPLAY set at all |
| 16:24.20 | Bushmills | hyksos: from local, use ssh -Y remote |
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| 16:24.38 | Bushmills | hyksos: also, /etc/init.d/ssh reload on remote |
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| 16:25.05 | NiCeBoY | oh i getting another problem when am doing ps x from a user account am getting this Error: can not access /proc. Bushmills any idea man ? |
| 16:25.28 | Bushmills | NiCeBoY: suspect |
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| 16:25.33 | Priest-of-Psi | hi all |
| 16:25.38 | Bushmills | NiCeBoY: look whether it is mounted |
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| 16:25.42 | Priest-of-Psi | whats the correct way to install Xorg? |
| 16:25.44 | Priest-of-Psi | xserver-xorg |
| 16:25.48 | Priest-of-Psi | or xorg? |
| 16:25.57 | NiCeBoY | Bushmills how do i check it plz |
| 16:25.57 | wols_ | xorg. testing or sid |
| 16:26.04 | Priest-of-Psi | testing |
| 16:26.11 | Bushmills | mount | grep proc |
| 16:26.14 | Priest-of-Psi | so |
| 16:26.19 | Priest-of-Psi | apt-get install xorg? |
| 16:26.30 | stew | Priest-of-Psi: yes |
| 16:26.36 | Priest-of-Psi | thanks stew |
| 16:26.37 | Priest-of-Psi | :) |
| 16:26.43 | Hoxzer | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/131663 |
| 16:26.44 | NiCeBoY | Priest-of-Psi what the use of xorg plz? |
| 16:26.48 | hyksos | done restart ssh, but nothing changed |
| 16:26.57 | hyksos | it doesnt set the DISPLAY when i connect |
| 16:27.11 | hyksos | Priest-of-Psi : apt-cache search xserver-xorg |
| 16:27.14 | stew | hyksos: /msg aptitude sshx |
| 16:27.35 | wols_ | Hoxzer: then it's /etc/apache/ for your config. nothing else |
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| 16:28.40 | Hoxzer | wols_: so I need to actually create this apache.conf there? |
| 16:28.48 | Hoxzer | lol it is httpd.conf |
| 16:28.49 | Hoxzer | :DD |
| 16:28.52 | Hoxzer | gj me |
| 16:28.57 | ph00 | doh! |
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| 16:29.03 | ph00 | dumb mistake... |
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| 16:29.22 | ph00 | maybe this time it will work |
| 16:29.37 | trygg | Well, i havent heard of a 'smart mistake' ;) |
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| 16:31.33 | trygg | Do anyone know what im doing wrong with this: 'tar czvf trygg.tgz /home/trygg/.* --exclude=..' gets /home/trygg/./* , but i want it to only get /home/trygg/.* |
| 16:32.03 | Marverick | What's the website where I can to get the Debian Linux? |
| 16:32.14 | wols_ | debian.org |
| 16:32.21 | Marverick | Thanks a lot. |
| 16:32.45 | NiCeBoY | stew man plz which file i should modify to restrict ips from connecting to root from ssh. i want only 23 range of ip's to connecter 196.192.* + 41.207.* + 62.147.* |
| 16:33.19 | Firestarter | after installing and setting up ndiswrapper 1.23 with kernel 2.6.15-1-686. I try doing modprobe ndiswrapper and get |
| 16:33.22 | Firestarter | FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format |
| 16:33.43 | Firestarter | anyone know what could cause this |
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| 16:34.11 | wols_ | wrong compiler: kernel and your module were made with different gcc versions |
| 16:34.13 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
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| 16:35.28 | Firestarter | wols_: Do I have to recompile kernel. I |
| 16:35.40 | wols_ | no. your module |
| 16:35.52 | Firestarter | wols_: I just compiled it |
| 16:36.22 | Priest-of-Psi | brb |
| 16:36.23 | wols_ | then do it again. this time with the proper compiler |
| 16:37.00 | Firestarter | wols_: how do I change what compiler it uses when using make. |
| 16:37.13 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.13 | scoobie2 | What's that stuff I have to put at the end of a line in a sh (not bash) script to put one damn long command on several lines for readability? |
| 16:37.26 | wols_ | alternatively if you have decent source, export CC=.... works too |
| 16:37.29 | NiCeBoY | wols_ man plz which file i should modify to restrict ips from connecting to root from ssh. i want only 23 range of ip's to connecter 196.192.* + 41.207.* + 62.147.* |
| 16:37.38 | wols_ | scoobie2: backslash \ |
| 16:37.41 | NiCeBoY | its 3 range |
| 16:37.57 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: no one should be allowed to log in as root from anywhere |
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| 16:38.15 | wols_ | but one way is "man hosts.deny" |
| 16:38.16 | NiCeBoY | wols_ yes buts its a dedicated server .. |
| 16:38.29 | wols_ | NiCeBoY: that doesn't matter. MO one is allowed to log in as root |
| 16:38.41 | wols_ | first they log in as normal user, THEN they can run su and be root |
| 16:38.48 | hyksos_ | done restart ssh, but nothing changed |
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| 16:39.23 | NiCeBoY | wols_ yes but but how i block them? |
| 16:39.43 | wols_ | by reading manpage(s) |
| 16:39.59 | NiCeBoY | oh |
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| 16:51.11 | anabain | is there any way to tell ping to make it from a specific interface, say eth1 instead of eth0? |
| 16:51.56 | cahoot | anabain: -I ? |
| 16:53.18 | anabain | ping -I eth0 www.foo.com, for example, cahoot ? |
| 16:53.56 | cahoot | anabain: I'd try -I eth1 in your case |
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| 16:54.37 | anabain | ok, thanks |
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| 16:58.25 | NiCeBoY | wols_ can u tell me plz what apt-get install i whould to do solve this problem plz "This needs the ncurses library" |
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| 16:59.39 | stew | NiCeBoY: what is telling you that? |
| 16:59.58 | NiCeBoY | stew when am installing psybnc when i do make menuconfig |
| 17:00.08 | stew | NiCeBoY: libncurses5-dev |
| 17:00.26 | NiCeBoY | apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 17:00.28 | NiCeBoY | thx |
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| 17:04.33 | Marverick | What's the better difference between Debian Linux and Slackware Linux? |
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| 17:05.25 | Supaplex | Marverick: we're not biased. but it's debian. |
| 17:05.43 | Supaplex | !best |
| 17:05.43 | dpkg_ | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 17:06.30 | Marverick | What's the better difference between Debian Linux and Slackware Linux on network relation? |
| 17:06.35 | dilation | Marverick: debian has a non-free section |
| 17:06.40 | Marverick | Lan |
| 17:06.42 | dilation | Marverick: :D with |
| 17:06.57 | Marverick | :) |
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| 17:07.24 | Badman | hi |
| 17:07.35 | zinx | Marverick: if you're looking at deploying them, you should try both... if you have something more specific you want to know about, ask that. |
| 17:07.46 | Badman | what's the name of kernel-sources package? |
| 17:08.00 | zinx | Marverick: a broad "what's the difference" would require a book to tell you all the differences, and you probably don't care about 99% of them |
| 17:08.01 | NiCeBoY | !tcllib |
| 17:08.02 | dilation | Badman: there's more than one ^^ |
| 17:08.18 | zinx | Marverick: or you can try: |
| 17:08.23 | Marverick | zinx Then is better get and try. |
| 17:08.24 | zinx | !tell Marverick about whydebian |
| 17:08.28 | Badman | how to grab sources for the last one dilation ? |
| 17:08.28 | Marverick | zinx Bingo! |
| 17:08.40 | dilation | Badman: dunno, I never do that :) |
| 17:08.45 | stew | Badman: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:09.26 | stew | Badman: and what do you need the sources for? |
| 17:09.27 | Badman | stew, etch |
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| 17:09.54 | dilation | from "free to access the sources" to "explain what you want the sources for" .) |
| 17:10.01 | stew | Badman: linux-source-2.6.16 |
| 17:10.09 | Marverick | zinx I saw many people typed about Debian but i never try. |
| 17:10.11 | Badman | thx stew |
| 17:10.35 | stew | Marverick: /msg aptitude why debian |
| 17:10.37 | zinx | Marverick: far easier to maintain, IMHO :) |
| 17:10.44 | Marverick | zinx I always used Slackware and I saw the Suse 9.0 but I don't like it. |
| 17:10.45 | dilation | Marverick: just try it, you'll love it |
| 17:10.51 | Badman | stew, linux-source-2.6.17 will not work for my version? |
| 17:11.08 | stew | Badman: it would, you'd have to get it from unstable |
| 17:12.02 | Marverick | dilation I too saw it this comments. |
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| 17:12.10 | Marverick | dilation I too saw it comments. |
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| 17:14.00 | Marverick | Smoke is good. |
| 17:14.19 | Marverick | When I'm doing the download. |
| 17:14.20 | Marverick | :) |
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| 17:15.31 | zenwryly | what's the best way to do a one-time scheduled command? cron seems like a pain if it's one time |
| 17:15.47 | stew | zenwryly: at |
| 17:15.56 | zenwryly | stew: thanks |
| 17:16.07 | JordiGH | KDE help, specifically Kmail. I want to make KMail use gpg to sign my messages (yeah, yeah, probably nobody I send them to will know what the hell the signature means, but anyways...). However, Kmail responds: "In order to be able to sign this message you first have to define the (OpenPGP or S/MIME) signing key to use." Huh? I've looked through the settings and configuration options, and I can't figure out what this message is referring to. |
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| 17:17.39 | abrotman | #kde ? |
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| 17:17.53 | JordiGH | But of course... pardon me. |
| 17:18.27 | psnl | JordiGH: do you have a key? |
| 17:18.35 | biz | is there a standalone tool that can query amazon and other services to download music cd covers based on tag or filename infos in batch mode? |
| 17:19.02 | JordiGH | psnl: Y'know, this is going to be n00bish thing I've ever said, but... I'm not sure if I do or not. |
| 17:19.37 | psnl | JordiGH: look with gpg --list-keys or kgpg? |
| 17:20.15 | NiCeBoY | stew if it got to install TCLLIb which apt i should do because apt-get install tcllib is not working.. |
| 17:20.30 | JordiGH | psnl: Seems I only have the keys that I use for retrieving Debian archives. |
| 17:20.52 | stew | NiCeBoY: you probably want either tcl8.3-dev or tcl8.4-dev |
| 17:20.56 | Supaplex | JordiGH: check the crytography tab on your identity (settings, congiure kmail, identities, edit) |
| 17:21.19 | NiCeBoY | stew no tcl is already installed |
| 17:21.22 | psnl | JordiGH: then you need to make yourself a key. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/375 explains how to do it with gpg, or you can use kgpg |
| 17:21.25 | NiCeBoY | i want oonly TCLLIB |
| 17:21.28 | NiCeBoY | the library |
| 17:21.37 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Aha! Yes, that's the one I was looking for. |
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| 17:22.38 | DerJamster | NiCeBoY: there is no C library for it. That'd not make sense. |
| 17:22.43 | stew | NiCeBoY: then tcl8.3 or tcl8.4 |
| 17:22.58 | DerJamster | yeah. just install tcl. If it's already installed..well, whee. You're done. |
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| 17:23.45 | NiCeBoY | stew DerJamster here is the link http://tcllib.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:23.48 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Cool, I think that's all I needed. Using kgpg now to generate my key. :-) |
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| 17:24.30 | Tallu | I'm using debian as a server.. now debating on making it a gateway for the local lan. Any good tutorials / documents that I should read before I start working on it, probably breaking everything? ;) |
| 17:24.38 | DerJamster | NiCeBoY: apt-cache search tcllib |
| 17:24.43 | DerJamster | result: tcllib |
| 17:24.45 | DerJamster | apt-get install tcllib |
| 17:24.46 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 17:24.46 | abrotman | !tell Tallu about iptables |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | did we lose all the bots? |
| 17:25.02 | xai | Can a consultant use the debian logo on his site if he supports debian? The license only talks about products. |
| 17:25.06 | Supaplex | @test |
| 17:25.07 | ravenbird | Yes, supaplex, you're still online. |
| 17:25.08 | Tallu | i dont think it can message now that its with a faulty nick |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | Tallu: netfilter.org and lartc.org and #iptables |
| 17:25.13 | abrotman | aptitude: hi |
| 17:25.13 | aptitude | que tal |
| 17:25.13 | Tallu | !iptables |
| 17:25.14 | dpkg_ | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 17:25.18 | stew | abrotman: dpkg is currently dpkg_ which means she can't /msg |
| 17:25.20 | Tallu | abrotman: thanks, I'll check them out |
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| 17:25.22 | abrotman | oh duh |
| 17:25.35 | abrotman | stew: where'd the bot admin go? :) |
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| 17:25.40 | stew | dunno |
| 17:25.45 | NiCeBoY | DerJamster thanks working ;) |
| 17:25.46 | abrotman | stew: what if you kick the bot? |
| 17:25.51 | Supaplex | !who owns you? |
| 17:25.51 | dpkg_ | dondelelcaro does |
| 17:26.02 | abrotman | stew: as in .. kick dpkg and dpkg_ |
| 17:26.03 | stew | abrotman: the nick wouldn't change |
| 17:26.15 | abrotman | oh .. we'd have to have a staff do it .. duh |
| 17:26.26 | Supaplex | dpkg_: be dpkg |
| 17:26.27 | stew | yeah, it would have to be forced off the network |
| 17:26.32 | abrotman | dpkg_: wantnick |
| 17:26.37 | abrotman | oh well .. |
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| 17:27.20 | deadcat | the industrial-cursor-theme is not working for me in unstable.. anyone have this problem? or maybe its because i removed gtk2-engines package? |
| 17:27.32 | SpeedyG | http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html <= nice list if someone says "There's no linux equivalent for $appp" |
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| 17:27.53 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
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| 17:28.06 | JordiGH | Thanks, guys! Back to reality. |
| 17:28.20 | DerJamster | deadcat: lemme test.. |
| 17:28.40 | abrotman | deadcat: so install it again |
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| 17:29.38 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 17:29.38 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 17:29.43 | NiCeBoY | DerJamster man check this plz http://208.53.183.124/phpsysinfo/ on the top you will see "System Information: start.ovh.net (208.53.183.124)" where i should go to modify the start.ovh.net plz? |
| 17:29.45 | lunitik | SpeedyG: that looks old! |
| 17:29.47 | deadcat | abrotman: it conflicts with my gtk2-engines-clearlooks package which has split gradient support. |
| 17:29.54 | abrotman | deadcat: in etch/sid? |
| 17:30.13 | deadcat | DerJamster: thanks.. if it works for you then i will build gtk2-engines 2.7.7 |
| 17:30.16 | deadcat | abrotman: sid |
| 17:30.31 | SpeedyG | lunitik: I guess it is old |
| 17:30.31 | abrotman | deadcat: yes .. because it's supposed to replace that |
| 17:30.35 | DerJamster | deadcat: sure no different theme is selected in update-alternatives? ;) |
| 17:30.42 | abrotman | deadcat: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gtk2-engines&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 17:30.42 | DerJamster | NiCeBoY: um.../etc/hostname |
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| 17:30.50 | deadcat | DerJamster: its selecting industrial |
| 17:30.58 | SpeedyG | but at least it shows some equivalent apps for people who don't want to migrate to linux because $app isnt available ;) |
| 17:31.02 | NiCeBoY | DerJamster ok gonna try |
| 17:31.13 | deadcat | abrotman: damn all the package name changes |
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| 17:31.30 | abrotman | deadcat: seems easier to me :) |
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| 17:32.44 | deadcat | abrotman: so gtk2-engines will have gtk2-engines-{clearlooks,Crux,Industrial,Mist,Redmond,ThinIce} and so on right? |
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| 17:33.49 | abrotman | deadcat: i just showed you the list of filenames .. afaik it does |
| 17:34.01 | abrotman | deadcat: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gtk2-engines |
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| 17:35.24 | lunitik | deadcat: package name changes? afaik, themes have followed that name scheme for at least 3-4 years... |
| 17:35.27 | deadcat | abrotman: and gtk2-engines has been 2.7 for so long. why isnt it in unstable... damn. |
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| 17:36.14 | deadcat | lunitik: i think gtk2-engines just contains gtk2-engines-clearlooks, gtk2-engines-Industrial, and so on.. |
| 17:36.24 | Doat | is there a simple howto to installing fglrx on debian? |
| 17:36.54 | lunitik | deadcat: I don't use 'gtk2-engines' ... only actual themes I want :/ |
| 17:37.12 | lunitik | !tell Doat about fglrx |
| 17:37.20 | NiCeBoY | DerJamster i have already modify the /etc/hostname but it has not yet activated the new hostname. any cmd to activate it plz? check http://208.53.183.124/phpsysinfo/ |
| 17:37.32 | DerJamster | NiCeBoY: yes. hostname. it's also a command. |
| 17:37.48 | DerJamster | deadcat: hokay..um.. |
| 17:37.54 | DerJamster | deadcat: how's it supposed to look? :> |
| 17:38.04 | Doat | lunitik: thank you |
| 17:38.04 | deadcat | lunitik: well that package conflicts with a file in my gtk2-engines-clearlooks package |
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| 17:38.24 | deadcat | DerJamster: just open a new gtk2 app it SHOULD change when you move the mouse to that app |
| 17:38.33 | DerJamster | deadcat: well, it works for me |
| 17:38.40 | DerJamster | deadcat: it's x-wide, not just gtk2 |
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| 17:39.05 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 17:39.05 | abrotman | deadcat: it is ? |
| 17:39.08 | lunitik | deadcat: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::='--force-overwrite' install whatever? |
| 17:39.10 | DerJamster | deadcat: I don't have any gtk2-engine-* installed |
| 17:39.16 | Priest-of-Psi | in etch what is the recommented gtk theme switcher? |
| 17:39.27 | abrotman | deadcat: they're all in one pacakge now |
| 17:39.30 | lunitik | Priest-of-Psi: 'switch' |
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| 17:39.39 | Priest-of-Psi | lunitik: I have searched |
| 17:39.57 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch2 or something like that |
| 17:39.57 | lunitik | Priest-of-Psi: unless you're using xfce or gnome... |
| 17:39.59 | deadcat | lunitik: i guess i can try that |
| 17:40.20 | DerJamster | deadcat: I only installed industrial-cursor-theme. *shrug* |
| 17:40.25 | abrotman | right .. who would be using gtk with xfce or gnome .. silly people |
| 17:40.26 | thd | I have failed to locate a document describing how to allow a locally created *.deb to be managed by apt and in turn aptitude |
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| 17:40.37 | abrotman | !tell thd about repository |
| 17:40.53 | Priest-of-Psi | there is gtk-theme-switch |
| 17:40.58 | lunitik | abrotman: 'gtk-theme-switch' contains switch and switch2 afaik... |
| 17:40.59 | Priest-of-Psi | but I doubt that works on gtk2? |
| 17:41.02 | abrotman | !find gtk-theme-switch2 etch |
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| 17:41.06 | larard | I need to update my timezone (just moved from Luxembourg to London). Is there an official way or do I just vi /etc/timezone ? |
| 17:41.10 | abrotman | tzconfig |
| 17:41.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-theme-switch2' (1): (/usr/bin/gtk-theme-switch2) in x11/gtk-theme-switch. |
| 17:41.17 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:41.18 | Priest-of-Psi | awesome thanks |
| 17:41.33 | DerJamster | NiCeBoY: did it work? |
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| 17:42.03 | larard | abrotman: thanks! |
| 17:42.10 | NiCeBoY | DerJamster when i type hostname on ssh its good but not on the website |
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| 17:42.23 | DerJamster | What did you type? |
| 17:42.45 | NiCeBoY | hostname |
| 17:42.55 | DerJamster | ah. you did not read 'man hostname'? |
| 17:43.02 | pir | some users of lyX here? |
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| 17:43.13 | DerJamster | NiCeBoY: try 'hostname thehostname' :P |
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| 17:49.26 | deadcat | yay. mouse is working.. no clue what happened (= restarted X i guess. linux is strange.. |
| 17:49.38 | abrotman | use windows .. TARD! |
| 17:49.44 | Doat | lunitik: aptitude tells me it couldn't find packages fglrx-driver fglrx-control and fglrx-kernel-src even after i have added "contrib non-free" in the end of a line in sources.list |
| 17:49.48 | abrotman | </deadcat-mode> |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | Doat: did you run apt-get update? |
| 17:50.03 | Doat | yes |
| 17:50.08 | Doat | or aptitude update actually |
| 17:50.09 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 17:50.14 | Doat | 3.1 |
| 17:50.15 | deadcat | abrotman: theres not much to do on a windows machine. |
| 17:50.49 | deadcat | i must have update-alternate on the x-cursor-theme, it had + now its *+ |
| 17:50.49 | abrotman | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
| 17:50.54 | abrotman | Doat: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt |
| 17:51.08 | DerJamster | The fglrx drivers sucketh. Whenever I turn off my x server, the driver goes down..and I get a blank screen. I still can reboot by typing just in the console I don't see, but eh.. |
| 17:51.12 | abrotman | deadcat: it was a joke |
| 17:51.21 | DerJamster | a restart of the x server also does not help. Beware the dreaded fglrx driver ;) |
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| 17:51.25 | deadcat | abrotman: the windows thing? (= |
| 17:51.29 | abrotman | uh |
| 17:51.33 | deadcat | hehe |
| 17:51.39 | Ronin | deadcat: not much to do on a windows machine? ha put a user on it for 10 minutes, you'll have things to fix all day then |
| 17:51.43 | DerJamster | deadcat: see? ;) Update-alternatives. |
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| 17:52.13 | deadcat | DerJamster: heheh. it had + i figured its good. but now i remember * is the one that counts |
| 17:52.35 | deadcat | Ronin: not much to do on a windows machine for me.. i dont know what other user would do. |
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| 17:53.30 | deadcat | LWCE SF tomorrow.. gonna be there.. hopefully debian has new tshirt to sell |
| 17:53.54 | Doat | abrotman: umm infernix says "get the installer" what does s/he mean |
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| 17:54.18 | fmarostica | Hello all |
| 17:54.30 | fmarostica | debian net-snmp support apache2-snmp module? |
| 17:54.34 | DerJamster | Doat: there's an installet at the ati.com homepage |
| 17:54.38 | abrotman | Doat: from ati.com |
| 17:54.42 | DerJamster | Dunno if it works with Xorg 7.* yet. |
| 17:54.42 | Doat | ah ok |
| 17:55.00 | aFlag | hello, is there a way to make aptitude diff the configuration file that comes in the package with the current configuration file on /etc? |
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| 17:55.23 | Doat | DerJamster: im using xfree86 (i think) |
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| 17:58.18 | fmarostica | The debian package of net-snmp agent support APACHE2 MIB? |
| 17:58.29 | dos000 | hi, i did ldd res_odbc.so and itt complains that libodbc.so.1 is not found. but i compiled the lib and it is in /usr/local/lib/ . how do i make it find it ? |
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| 17:58.48 | DocOC | aFlag: it usually does that, and gives you multiple options when there is a difference. If it doesn't then the package maintainer didn't think of it. |
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| 18:00.25 | DocOC | dos000: did you run ldconfig? |
| 18:00.51 | dos000 | DocOC, yes .. and it still does not find it |
| 18:01.18 | dos000 | DocOC, is the /usr/local/lib not part of the default search path ? |
| 18:01.41 | dos000 | DocOC, btw i am on sarge |
| 18:01.49 | DocOC | dos000: possibly you may need the package libodbc++4? |
| 18:02.28 | DocOC | dos000: you could add /usr/local/lib to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variable. |
| 18:02.29 | dos000 | DocOC, hmm .. i ma just wondering why it cant find the lib .. before i dwelve into something else |
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| 18:03.48 | DocOC | dos000: or, if you want to do it system wide, add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig again. |
| 18:03.58 | dos000 | DocOC, it did find it now that i added to LD_LIBRARY_PATH .. i still dont get why it was not working tho. this lsb thing is confusing |
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| 18:04.55 | DocOC | dos000: ldconfig looks for system-wide library paths in /etc/ld.so.conf. Not so confusing. |
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| 18:05.29 | dos000 | DocOC, from wht i gather /usr/local/lib is supposed to be in the path already |
| 18:05.43 | DocOC | dos000: look at /etc/ld.so.conf and see. |
| 18:06.04 | dos000 | DocOC, there is no /etc/ld/so.con in the default sarge install |
| 18:06.05 | biz | is there something similar for GTK2 or is it for gtk1 and 2? -> export GDK_USE_XFT=1 |
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| 18:07.05 | abrotman | i think that is for gtk2 |
| 18:07.09 | DocOC | dos000: not /etc/ld/so.con, /etc/ld.so.conf, and it must have it, or none of your libraries would be liked. |
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| 18:07.49 | DocOC | s/liked/linked/ |
| 18:08.35 | dos000 | DocOC, that was a typo .. according to apt-file the only package wich installs ld.so.conf is mindi .. wich i bet is not the default |
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| 18:09.16 | dos000 | DocOC, there is a mystery why ld.so.conf is not created by default that i never understood |
| 18:10.02 | Doat | ok i downloaded the fglrx installer from ati.com and ran the .run file but it says ee |
| 18:10.05 | Doat | ok i downloaded the fglrx installer from ati.com and ran the .run file but it says 21:10 <@Espu> noi draeneitha o hienoja |
| 18:10.10 | Doat | argh... |
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| 18:10.27 | Doat | make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 18:10.39 | abrotman | !find bin/dh_testdir sarge |
| 18:10.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dh_testdir' (1): (/usr/bin/dh_testdir) in devel/debhelper. |
| 18:10.53 | DocOC | dos000: ahh, probably because ldconfig automatically links /usr/lib and /lib. ld.so.conf is needed for non-standard library paths. No reason you couldn't create it yourself. |
| 18:11.27 | Doat | abrotman: so i install debhelper package? |
| 18:12.13 | naga44 | could someone tell me how to use ide-scsi instead of ide-cdrom driver ..? |
| 18:12.41 | naga44 | iim using 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 18:13.43 | lunitik | naga44: why do you want to? ide-cdrom replaces ide-scsi ... even in later 2.4.x kernels afaik |
| 18:13.49 | dos000 | DocOC, so usr/local/lib is not in by default ? |
| 18:14.02 | naga44 | im being asked to by nero |
| 18:14.16 | stew | naga44: modprobe -r ide-cd ; modprobe ide-scsi |
| 18:14.34 | dos000 | DocOC, i tought /usr/local/lib was part of the standrd lsb library path ! |
| 18:14.58 | dos000 | DocOC, that is why i said its confusing |
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| 18:15.36 | DocOC | dos000: /usr/local/* is never in anything by default. /usr/local is by default for things you create locally. |
| 18:15.46 | abrotman | Doat: yep |
| 18:15.49 | naga44 | stew: thanks |
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| 18:15.54 | lunitik | naga44: why aren't you using k3b or something similar? |
| 18:16.01 | naga44 | any way to make it permanent if i want to? |
| 18:16.01 | dos000 | DocOC, oh .. ok |
| 18:16.03 | DocOC | s/default\ for/definition\ for/ |
| 18:16.16 | naga44 | lunitik: nero lighter with the same features...no kde libs |
| 18:16.52 | lunitik | naga44: no bonfire in your dist? |
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| 18:17.27 | naga44 | whats bonfire? |
| 18:17.43 | stew | naga44: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 18:17.47 | lunitik | naga44: a cd burning app... gtk2 based... very nice |
| 18:18.04 | lunitik | stew: how is that relevant to anything? |
| 18:18.28 | stew | lunitik: he's asking how to make it permanant, which you would do by altering the kernel command line |
| 18:18.42 | naga44 | stew i use grub |
| 18:18.57 | naga44 | lunitik./..its not in my repos...where to get it? |
| 18:18.58 | DocOC | lunitik: are you using TOR? |
| 18:19.21 | lunitik | stew: throwing 'blacklist ide-cdrom' into a file in /etc/modprobe.d and 'ide-scsi' into /etc/modules would do it either way... |
| 18:19.23 | naga44 | one more thing...how do i install the 2.6 kernel ?.. |
| 18:19.32 | stew | naga44: duplicate the "#kopt=" line in menu.lst and make a "#kopt_2_4=" line and add hdc=ide-scsi where hdc is the /dev entry for your cdrom, then run "update-grub" |
| 18:19.33 | lunitik | DocOC: TOR? |
| 18:20.14 | wols_ | !info tor |
| 18:20.14 | DocOC | guess not. anonymizing proxy, supported by freenode. I was just wondering how your hosntame was the way it is. |
| 18:20.16 | lunitik | naga44: http://perso.orange.fr/bonfire/ |
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| 18:20.22 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.1.23-1 (sid), Packaged size: 775 kB, Installed size: 1444 kB |
| 18:21.16 | naga44 | stew and lunitik thank you |
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| 18:21.48 | abrotman | DocOC: it's in the freenode faq |
| 18:21.56 | rvsjoen | is there a debian way to add new modules to a running kernel ? can I do it without creating a whole new kernel-image package ? |
| 18:21.57 | stew | lunitik: does /etc/modprobe.d work for sarge? |
| 18:22.28 | SpeedyG | whats a nice screenshot program for fluxbox? |
| 18:22.37 | lunitik | stew: people have said it does... there is no 'blacklist' file of course, but supposedly it works on any file in there |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | gimp? |
| 18:22.52 | stew | SpeedyG: /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 18:22.58 | lunitik | DocOC: ask #freenode for a cloak |
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| 18:23.43 | DocOC | lunitik: cool, if I get irc nuisance scans, I will. |
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| 18:24.11 | mha13 | when i open flv files i can't see any video (but ihear the sound) |
| 18:24.15 | SpeedyG | thanks stew |
| 18:24.36 | DocOC | SpeedyG: if you just want screenshots, apt-get install scrot. |
| 18:24.52 | amphi | SpeedyG: xwd -root | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng > foo.png ;) |
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| 18:25.59 | abrotman | !screenshot |
| 18:25.59 | dpkg | i guess screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 18:26.43 | DocOC | hah, the only part of that entry that someone didn't suggest was 'import' |
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| 18:32.04 | NiCeBoY | DerJamster are u still here plz? |
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| 18:34.49 | Tenkawa | Afternoon all |
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| 18:36.03 | anders__ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:36.04 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 18:39.36 | DerJamster | NiCeBoY: mh? |
| 18:40.17 | NiCeBoY | DerJamster man any idea how to solve the problem then i did uptime in ssh am getting this line " Unknown HZ value! (91) Assume 100." |
| 18:40.44 | stew | NiCeBoY: its not a problem |
| 18:41.10 | chjunior | hi stew |
| 18:41.20 | stew | hi |
| 18:41.25 | karihre | is there anyone here that knows something about linux and is ready to answer some clustering-newbie-questions? |
| 18:41.34 | mortal | no |
| 18:41.34 | karihre | arg, linux clustering it should be |
| 18:41.36 | wols_ | !ask |
| 18:41.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:42.08 | karihre | I was thinking more of a private chat so it would not flood this channel |
| 18:42.14 | NiCeBoY | stew the problem is that i got a tcl that was working now with this problem it has stop working. it was an uptime tcl which diaplays the tcl uptime on irc |
| 18:42.43 | yarou | tcl, hmm |
| 18:43.04 | stew | NiCeBoY: if you reboot the message will go away for a while |
| 18:43.25 | NiCeBoY | ah ok |
| 18:43.45 | stew | NiCeBoY: if you google it, you will find lots of information |
| 18:43.58 | NiCeBoY | o kthanks will see |
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| 18:44.23 | chjunior | hi lunitik, are you good? |
| 18:45.08 | Ronin | heh interesting question |
| 18:45.30 | lunitik | chjunior: good... at what? |
| 18:46.21 | karihre | okay, well, I'll try then: I'm looking into clustering and I'm confused by all this software, what is the difference between mosix and beowulf on the one hand and resource managers like slurm on the other hand? what is it that beowulf and mosix do that slurm doesn't? Then where does a scheduler like maui come in to the picure? |
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| 18:47.51 | chjunior | lunitik, nothing, just saying "hello" |
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| 18:48.37 | thnee | why is mount whining about Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value? got that from fstab running mount -a |
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| 18:49.28 | thnee | i want to mount it to the user with uid 1000, is that not right? |
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| 18:50.37 | t4 | q |
| 18:50.43 | t4 | quit |
| 18:50.43 | thnee | well it says "EXT3-fs:" before that, is that not supported in ext3 or what? ofc it is.. |
| 18:50.51 | thnee | t4: /quit |
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| 18:51.29 | Unified | hi |
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| 18:52.30 | Unified | I was wondering if the nvidia nforce 500 chipset series is already supported in debian etch? |
| 18:52.41 | dragan | i am trying to make boot flopies from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/ but they do not fit on 3.5 floppy disks? any ideas why? |
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| 18:53.14 | karihre | thnee: why would you mount ext3 filesystem with uid=1000? ext3 has uid/gid and file permissions build in, unlike filesystems like ntfs and fat which offer the uid=1000 option |
| 18:53.52 | thnee | karihre: oh, so how do i mount it so it belongs to another user? when i mount it with defaults it belongs to root? |
| 18:54.04 | karihre | thnee: just mount it |
| 18:54.08 | lunitik | chjunior: oh... hey.... |
| 18:54.18 | karihre | thnee: and do chown -R uid:gid /path/to/mount |
| 18:54.35 | thnee | karihre: i want to use fstab... |
| 18:55.02 | karihre | thnee: well, if you do chown it is "saved" and will remain over umount/mount |
| 18:55.12 | karihre | thnee: why would you want to use fstab? |
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| 18:55.44 | thnee | really? cool, well then its not _that_ important with fstab, but it would still be nice to have it automount |
| 18:55.54 | karihre | wel lyes |
| 18:56.53 | karihre | thnee: you can automount it, but just like the root filesystem, the uid/gid per file is saved in the filesystem, if you just want automount place it in fstab but don't set the uid option |
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| 18:57.11 | thnee | k then, thanks alot karihre |
| 18:57.17 | karihre | np |
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| 18:58.27 | biz | is there a way to disable this crappy drag and drop within the plain firefox? it sucks, i never use drag and drop. argh |
| 18:59.14 | karihre | dragan: are the floppies 1.4 MB ? (most floppies are) If so it should ift |
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| 19:00.40 | dragan | karihre: i tried on few, and the same thing happens , very wierd! |
| 19:00.41 | Eulex | a non-1.44mb floppy nowadays would be an antique |
| 19:01.01 | karihre | what program are you using? |
| 19:01.17 | gcroscato | Hi all. Has anyone instaled Debian in a RS/6000 250 machine? |
| 19:01.33 | spanglesontoast | does anyone know how to fix the linker getting this error collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 19:02.17 | el_mexicano | hi there |
| 19:02.23 | el_mexicano | how can i get traffic info from the xferlog? i don't need a big tool like webalizer, just the count of in and out |
| 19:02.50 | naga44 | how do i install the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:02.56 | dragan | karihre : i am justing coping file from bash |
| 19:03.06 | stew | naga44: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 19:03.31 | karihre | dragan: this is an image, you do not simply copy |
| 19:03.33 | stew | naga44: note that with 2.6 you should not use ide-scsi, so if you followed lunatik's advice before about blacklisting, you need to undo that |
| 19:03.56 | naga44 | thanks stew |
| 19:04.11 | dragan | karihre : any suggestions ? |
| 19:04.45 | karihre | dragan: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 19:06.25 | edwards | hi, I m trying to change the ulimit |
| 19:06.28 | dragan | karihre : i got it, thank you! |
| 19:06.29 | edwards | and I have this error msg |
| 19:06.30 | edwards | ulimit -n unlimited |
| 19:06.31 | edwards | -bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
| 19:06.35 | karihre | dragan: np : ) |
| 19:06.36 | edwards | any idea? |
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| 19:07.25 | Wolvez | somebody knows awstats: |
| 19:07.35 | karihre | wolvez: a bit |
| 19:08.06 | Wolvez | karihre: hi! ... how I can do security between users |
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| 19:08.32 | karihre | wolvez: not a clue ; ) (I said only a bit) |
| 19:08.46 | Wolvez | hehe!! no problem!!.. |
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| 19:09.43 | spanglesontoast | does anyone know how to fix the dynamic linker in debian? |
| 19:10.09 | azeem | spanglesontoast: depends on how it is broken |
| 19:10.12 | stew | spanglesontoast: is it broken? |
| 19:10.36 | spanglesontoast | not sure |
| 19:10.46 | spanglesontoast | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 19:11.01 | azeem | that's not ld's fault |
| 19:11.06 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 19:11.10 | azeem | somebody fed it broken input |
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| 19:11.47 | alex_ | I just overwrote a kinda important SQL schema |
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| 19:11.58 | alex_ | does anyone know how I can get it back somehow? I'm running 'recover' now |
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| 19:13.30 | chjunior | brahma`, are you Brazilian? |
| 19:13.41 | alex_ | i'm not sure if recover will work because I didn't delete the file |
| 19:13.54 | alex_ | I ran psql mydb > myschema.sql instead of the other way around |
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| 19:15.07 | karihre | alex_: :/ |
| 19:15.33 | karihre | alex_: I'm not sure how to recover the file if you didn't have any backup anywhere |
| 19:15.36 | thnee | if i own a dir, and i log in via vsftpd, as that user, why would i only have read perms? |
| 19:15.46 | alex_ | yeah =( |
| 19:15.50 | alex_ | this kinda sucks. hard. |
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| 19:17.35 | karihre | alex_: well yeah, the important thing is just to own backup of ones data... I learned that after running rm -rf ~ |
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| 19:17.59 | jnoon | anyone know if apache2.2 is available in any repos? i dont know many, new to deb, but its not in backports IIRC |
| 19:18.01 | karihre | alex_: I can recommend backuppc, fairly simple backup tool |
| 19:18.39 | alex_ | yeah I know |
| 19:18.44 | alex_ | I do offsite backups =( |
| 19:18.48 | alex_ | I just hadn't done one last week |
| 19:18.56 | karihre | ok |
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| 19:19.12 | karihre | I'd recommend incremental backup once each day |
| 19:19.22 | edwards | anybody know what is the problem here? |
| 19:19.29 | edwards | ulimit -n unlimited |
| 19:19.31 | edwards | -bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
| 19:19.44 | alex_ | gah, a versioned filesystem would own pretty hard right now |
| 19:19.45 | chjunior | jnoon, I think it's try at www.dotdeb.org |
| 19:19.59 | edwards | I m root, I know I have full perms there... |
| 19:20.02 | karihre | alex_: I second that! |
| 19:20.03 | chjunior | jnoon, sorry the lack of pontuation |
| 19:20.16 | edwards | can be a old kernel? |
| 19:20.32 | edwards | I m using 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 19:20.56 | abrotman | don't use dotdeb |
| 19:21.00 | perlboy | hi |
| 19:21.09 | chjunior | abrotman, why? |
| 19:21.17 | abrotman | use backports.org |
| 19:21.18 | perlboy | any body knows some good GUI tool for SVN in debian |
| 19:21.45 | Eulex | xterm :) |
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| 19:21.56 | perlboy | :) |
| 19:22.07 | perlboy | I need some UI based admin tool for SVN |
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| 19:22.25 | azeem | perlboy: what do you want to achieve? |
| 19:22.58 | Emiml | perlboy: rapidsvn ? |
| 19:23.16 | Emiml | perlboy: or try: apt-cache rdepends libsvn0 |
| 19:23.26 | perlboy | whats that |
| 19:23.59 | Emiml | perlboy: all packages that need libSVN |
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| 19:25.18 | chjunior | abrotman, why don't use dotdeb? |
| 19:25.21 | ProN00b | why didn't debian make ubuntu ? |
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| 19:25.30 | Ronin | ProN00b: because they make debian |
| 19:25.35 | perlboy | thanx Emmi |
| 19:25.40 | tuxedup | I was wondering, what is the current status of the debian ports of hurd, freebsd and netbsd? Are there any ideas when any of these will be released as stable? |
| 19:25.41 | wols_ | and they like debian the way it is |
| 19:25.41 | chjunior | ProN00b, sorry....? |
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| 19:25.46 | ProN00b | they would just have to make a cd where gnome or kde were in the bade packages |
| 19:25.51 | ProN00b | *base |
| 19:26.02 | wols_ | ProN00b: it's a bit different from that |
| 19:26.02 | Ronin | ProN00b: ya its called debian, |
| 19:26.03 | stew | chjunior: becuase lots of people complain that their php segfaults, and backports.org doesn't |
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| 19:26.19 | ProN00b | wols_, how ? |
| 19:26.24 | knowwho | should i compile my own apache or get the deb package? and why? |
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| 19:26.42 | alex_ | knowwho, the debian packages owns your face |
| 19:26.47 | wols_ | ProN00b: ubuntu is more than a debian with gnome slapped on. debian already has gnome for starters |
| 19:26.49 | alex_ | with a pickaxe, twice daily |
| 19:26.54 | chjunior | ProN00b, well, I don't use ubuntu, but I think that the difference between debian and ubuntu are more than have Gnome or KDE in the base packages.... |
| 19:26.55 | knowwho | alex_: what about your mom? |
| 19:26.56 | epsilon | I have a string with 4 words separated by space, how can I get 3rd word in a shellscript? |
| 19:27.08 | ProN00b | knowwho, get the debian package so you can seamlessly update and you can't make mistakes configuring, more secure more easy |
| 19:27.14 | wols_ | knowwho: you know less than a DD, so no you shouldn't build your own apache |
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| 19:27.25 | stew | knowwho: use the debian packages, that way you'll have an easier upgrade patch, especially when there are security fixes |
| 19:27.28 | Emiml | chjunior: and ubuntu repository is stripped version of debian repo |
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| 19:27.29 | alex_ | knowwho she also owns your face |
| 19:27.33 | stew | s/patch/path/ |
| 19:27.35 | stew | alex_: stop |
| 19:27.36 | knowwho | ic |
| 19:27.48 | knowwho | but they're outdated though |
| 19:27.53 | ProN00b | wols_, ubuntu isn't much more than gnome and some other tools beeing in the base install |
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| 19:28.04 | alex_ | yeah 2.0.54 is missing out on a ton of critical features like... uhm... |
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| 19:28.07 | wols_ | ProN00b: whatever you want to believe |
| 19:28.08 | stew | knowwho: are there features that you need which aren't available in the debian packages? |
| 19:28.12 | alex_ | needlessly complicated modules separation? |
| 19:28.34 | knowwho | stew: i just want to use the latest |
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| 19:28.39 | chjunior | stew, hum...... there is a long time that I use dotdeb, and I just knew backports 2 days ago.... now I use backports too.... |
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| 19:28.48 | alex_ | knowwho, 2.2 is a pain in the ass |
| 19:28.57 | knowwho | why? |
| 19:29.05 | alex_ | build it and see |
| 19:29.08 | stew | knowwho: the lastest apache is not available as a debian package yet |
| 19:29.09 | knowwho | what if i backport that shit? |
| 19:29.10 | ProN00b | wols_, if you do apt-get install gnome openoffice gaim xchat ... there won't be much difference in between your debian and a ubuntu install |
| 19:29.16 | wols_ | knowwho: have you any reason to use the "latest"? only fools want to use the latest server software |
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| 19:29.29 | knowwho | wols_: im a fool |
| 19:29.38 | alex_ | have you ever built apache before? |
| 19:29.40 | wols_ | ProN00b: come back when you know what debian does and what ubuntu does. until then: learn more, talk less |
| 19:29.47 | knowwho | alex_: building it now |
| 19:30.00 | alex_ | you're in for some fun after 'make install' |
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| 19:30.25 | aFlag | I like to use the oldest of everything. They don't make software like they used to anymore |
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| 19:30.34 | ProN00b | wols_, what about you giving me some starter guide i could read for differences between ubuntu and debian ? i seriously don't think there is much difference |
| 19:30.35 | alex_ | aFlag amen to that |
| 19:30.49 | alex_ | ProN00b there seriously isn't that much difference |
| 19:30.56 | alex_ | I like to refer to it as 'the asshole gap' |
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| 19:31.11 | cabaire | epsilonepsilon: foo="one two three four";set $foo; echo $3 |
| 19:31.14 | aFlag | ProN00b, who cares if there's not much difference? |
| 19:31.37 | ProN00b | aFlag, wols_ says there is, i say there isn't much difference, so we care |
| 19:31.43 | alex_ | Yeah, Ubuntu isn't a complete pain in the ass to run, therefore it's nowhere near as <\ |
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| 19:31.54 | ProN00b | alex_, i recently read an article about how the difference wasn't as big as the difference in their marketing |
| 19:31.56 | wols_ | there are differences in goals. I don't see debian having to goal to make money. or fixed release schedules. or ubuntu being stable, or debian bending over backwards for acpi |
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| 19:31.59 | wols_ | or... |
| 19:32.17 | thnee | what should i do to give local user write access via vsftpd on files that they own? |
| 19:32.29 | ProN00b | whats acpi ? |
| 19:32.33 | streuner | thnee: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 19:32.53 | wols_ | !acpi |
| 19:32.54 | dpkg | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 19:32.57 | ProN00b | adwanced cool power interface ? |
| 19:33.05 | ProN00b | oh, configuration |
| 19:33.39 | perlboy | hi |
| 19:33.42 | ProN00b | humm, what the hell ? |
| 19:33.47 | thnee | streuner: that page doesnt mention the word ftp once? |
| 19:33.50 | ProN00b | perlboy, nice nick |
| 19:34.00 | streuner | thnee: no :-) |
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| 19:34.20 | perlboy | can some body tell me what is the good available tool for SVN admin |
| 19:34.22 | aFlag | ProN00b, if debian isn't different from ubuntu, so what? What's your point? |
| 19:34.25 | streuner | thnee: its a basic lesson in order get what permission are all about |
| 19:34.40 | thnee | streuner: thats not what i need |
| 19:35.01 | streuner | did you read it? |
| 19:35.13 | ProN00b | aFlag, my point is: "why can't and why didn't debian take ubuntus place ?" |
| 19:35.18 | streuner | [ ] no |
| 19:35.30 | streuner | ehm, yes, of course |
| 19:35.31 | thnee | streuner: obv not in like 2 minutes |
| 19:35.34 | aFlag | what's ubuntu place? |
| 19:35.38 | stew | #ubuntu |
| 19:35.50 | Emiml | perlboy: ahh you wan't a frontend to configure svn-apache-mod or svnserve ? |
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| 19:36.17 | Emiml | perlboy: probably such tool doesn't exists |
| 19:36.22 | ProN00b | aFlag, well, beeing one of the most talked about desktop linux distros |
| 19:36.24 | stew | ProN00b: please take the ubuntu discussion to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 19:36.29 | aFlag | as wols_ said, the goals of debian and ubuntu are different, are you asking why debian doesn't change its goals? |
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| 19:36.38 | Navux | hi, how can I see MASQ rules seted by iptables? I tried iptables -L but did'n show. |
| 19:36.38 | yarou | #ubuntu |
| 19:36.41 | yarou | lolllllll |
| 19:36.59 | stew | Navux: iptables -t nat -L |
| 19:37.03 | anders__ | how do i reconfigurte my xfree86 ? |
| 19:37.04 | ProN00b | aFlag, so you are basically telling me that debian isn't meant for the desktop ? |
| 19:37.15 | stew | Navux: and you might want to add a -n to disable dns resolution |
| 19:37.16 | streuner | !drxx anders_ |
| 19:37.23 | stew | ProN00b: debian is meant for the desktop |
| 19:37.28 | anders__ | !drxx |
| 19:37.32 | dpkg | anders_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:37.40 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:37.41 | stew | anders__: please /msg the bot |
| 19:37.53 | ProN00b | o rly, stew ? |
| 19:37.59 | stew | ProN00b: yes |
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| 19:38.08 | yarou | lol? |
| 19:38.09 | stew | ProN00b: assuming you mean "oh really?" |
| 19:38.31 | cabaire | !nvidia |
| 19:38.35 | Navux | stew: tnx alot, and how can I remove some rules? |
| 19:38.38 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 19:38.51 | stew | Navux: with -D |
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| 19:39.17 | streuner | cabaire: /msg dpkg nvidia works too :-) |
| 19:39.34 | Navux | stew: tnx again ;-) |
| 19:39.50 | aFlag | ProN00b, the thing is that debian doesn't want to lose its stability or ship in propertary stuff only to make windows newbies happy |
| 19:39.51 | Emiml | perlboy: try asking on #svn there is 180 people out-there |
| 19:40.06 | streuner | cabaire: /msg dpkg guideslines |
| 19:40.28 | Navux | Is it possible that I forward non-same prt to each other? for example 12.13.14:2233 >>TO>> 192.168.0.100:80 ? |
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| 19:40.45 | Angels2 | i just upgraded from stable to testing, now my network isnt working anymore. dmesg shows hotplug recognizes the pcmcia card as eth0, but it doesnt show up in ifconfig (network is started) ... any idea what i can do to solve this problem? |
| 19:40.51 | anders__ | !dxx |
| 19:41.02 | anders__ | what is the command to reconfigurate ?? xfree86? |
| 19:41.06 | anders__ | x-server xfree86? |
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| 19:41.22 | streuner | cabaire: /msg dpkg guidelines (of course) |
| 19:41.23 | Eulex | !drxx anders__ |
| 19:41.24 | stew | Navux: yeah, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 2233 --to 192.168.0.100:80 |
| 19:41.29 | dpkg | anders__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:41.30 | Yurtle | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 19:41.32 | ProN00b | aFlag, ubuntu isn't shipping anything proprietary (not even codecs or mp3), also, debian has 3 different kinds of stability, i think the middle one equals aproximately ubuntus release interval |
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| 19:42.01 | stew | ProN00b: please keep it on-topic |
| 19:42.03 | ProN00b | aFlag, as i said bevore, you can make an "ubuntu" out of debian by just apt-getting some stuff |
| 19:42.04 | Orreg | witam |
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| 19:42.18 | ProN00b | stew, what topic ? |
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| 19:42.22 | stew | ProN00b: debian |
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| 19:42.37 | ProN00b | stew, well, its debian and ..., but its still debian i am talking about |
| 19:42.44 | stew | ProN00b: if you want to discuss various other distros, please do it in ##linux or in a channel specific to the other distro, like #ubuntu |
| 19:42.49 | Eulex | !ubuntusmite ProN00b |
| 19:43.17 | Eulex | dpkg seems slow today |
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| 19:43.36 | ProN00b | lol, Eulex |
| 19:43.50 | Angels2 | angel2 you stupid... run ifup eth0 :P |
| 19:44.44 | Thanatermesis | is fglrx broken for ETCH ? |
| 19:45.25 | wols_ | fglrx is broken by design |
| 19:45.36 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, shouldn't be |
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| 19:46.05 | robin_sz | now, how did THAT happen |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | you did it |
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| 19:46.49 | Navux | stew:Oh, TNX, just it need -j DNAT #ptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 2233 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.100:80 |
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| 19:47.03 | stew | oh right |
| 19:47.10 | robin_sz | I didnt touch it,nobody saw me do it, you cant prove a thing! |
| 19:47.40 | Thanatermesis | wols_, yeah, those crappy ATI developers... or maybe is a MS hand ;) |
| 19:48.15 | Thanatermesis | hey stew, do you know if ivman/hal manage the floppy drives also ? |
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| 19:49.12 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 19:49.18 | Priest-of-Psi | I love debian |
| 19:49.20 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
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| 19:49.26 | stew | Thanatermesis: i would think so, but i don't have any to test with |
| 19:49.36 | Priest-of-Psi | is there a way to set the default gtk icon theme when using fluxbox? |
| 19:50.12 | Thanatermesis | hehe, a little deprecated device |
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| 19:50.34 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: crappy ATI. ATI sucks at opengl, always did |
| 19:50.36 | Priest-of-Psi | I have an idea it in the gtkrc |
| 19:50.39 | Priest-of-Psi | but I am not sure |
| 19:50.44 | Priest-of-Psi | wols_: not really |
| 19:50.53 | Priest-of-Psi | ATI on the windows platform > nvidia |
| 19:51.03 | Thanatermesis | any person use the FGLRX driver on ETCH with xorg 7 and HAS 3d acceleration ? |
| 19:51.06 | wols_ | Priest-of-Psi: you are mistaken. I said "OpenGL" |
| 19:51.07 | Priest-of-Psi | the X1900 is the fastest gfx card atm |
| 19:51.14 | Priest-of-Psi | wols_: ah sorry |
| 19:51.22 | aFlag | Priest-of-Psi, it probably uses directx on windows |
| 19:51.24 | Priest-of-Psi | my appologies |
| 19:51.36 | Priest-of-Psi | ok so comming back to my problem |
| 19:51.47 | wols_ | Priest-of-Psi: no it isn't. 7950GX2 is. also there is a 1950XTX which is in turn faster than the nvidia. it's shown but not generally available yet |
| 19:51.47 | Thanatermesis | Priest-of-Psi, I (or we) don't say to the ATI is a bad card.... but the driver original from ATI for linux, sucks A LOT |
| 19:51.52 | Priest-of-Psi | I need to set the default icon theme for my gtk apps |
| 19:51.55 | wols_ | but why do you care who or what has 0.5fps more? |
| 19:52.00 | wols_ | (except fainbois) |
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| 19:52.12 | seb-- | how make max volume on laptop louder? sw and laptop buttons aren't doin it |
| 19:52.19 | Priest-of-Psi | Thanatermesis: yes but hopefully with the AMD + ATI merge we might get better opensource support |
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| 19:52.35 | Priest-of-Psi | seb--: use alsamixer |
| 19:52.39 | wols_ | Priest-of-Psi: we won't. they already said so |
| 19:52.40 | dli | wols_, that's why we should go intel video, fully GPLed driver |
| 19:52.50 | Priest-of-Psi | dammit |
| 19:52.58 | Priest-of-Psi | heh |
| 19:53.01 | Thanatermesis | Priest-of-Psi, this is what i hope also... but i have look on a website to amd "is happy with their closed driver" (or a similar stuff), without like to open the driver |
| 19:53.08 | wols_ | dli: you are wrong too. Intels new driver has an explicit API to link CLOSED SOURCE (like macrovision support) into it now |
| 19:53.11 | tuxedup | dli: apparently the latest driver is not fully, there part that is not gpl'd apparently |
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| 19:53.15 | seb-- | Priest-of-Psi: thanks |
| 19:53.21 | wols_ | dli: so wherever you look, Linux is FUCKED in the graphics area |
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| 19:53.43 | dli | wols_, i965? |
| 19:54.09 | Thanatermesis | wols_, no... those seller's of graphic cards are fucked with linux :) |
| 19:54.12 | crazy_penguin | Hi all! |
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| 19:54.16 | thnee | what should i do to give local user write access via vsftpd on files that they own? |
| 19:54.37 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: yea, cause Thanatermesis will use Hercules again. and if that doesn't work, he uses MDA |
| 19:54.39 | Navux | wols_:But I think Linux Fucked any Graphical interfaces, like xgl gnome kde .. which OS have 60 Desktop Environment? |
| 19:55.00 | ProN00b | Navux, actually its just 2 |
| 19:55.02 | el_mexicano | how to count traffic on eth0 |
| 19:55.04 | Trewas | who the hell would want macrovision support? :) |
| 19:55.07 | wols_ | thnee: you should make sure the user has write access in a shell |
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| 19:55.16 | wols_ | Trewas: intel |
| 19:55.32 | thnee | wols_: it has |
| 19:55.37 | wols_ | el_mexicano: ifconfig, iptraf, ipac-ng,etc |
| 19:55.43 | seb-- | Priest-of-Psi: alsamixer says no elements found |
| 19:55.47 | wols_ | thnee: then so wil vsftpd |
| 19:55.51 | robin_sz | ?paste |
| 19:55.53 | robin_sz | !paste |
| 19:56.00 | Thanatermesis | wols_, i don't mean this... i speak to the world turns, and everytime more persons use linux, everytime more and more... one day, one graphic card opens TOTALLY his driver, and this makes a big thing on internet... nvidia/ati needs to start opening his drivers also if want to are in the top of the tower... |
| 19:56.06 | abrotman | &paste |
| 19:56.07 | aptitude | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:56.15 | thnee | wols_: perhaps, but i only have read access |
| 19:56.19 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: you're living in a nice fantasy world |
| 19:56.33 | wols_ | thnee: what are the perms of the directory? |
| 19:56.44 | Thanatermesis | wols_, maybe :) |
| 19:56.44 | thnee | wols_: 755, i own it |
| 19:56.50 | Trewas | wols_: but does any user want macrovision support for their graphics card, I wouldn't think so... unless the "macrovision support" enables some beneficial features in addition to fucking up tv-out |
| 19:56.50 | el_mexicano | wols_ i tried iptraf but this tells there are near 0 traffic, but my isp webconsole says i got near 5-6 GB's per hour |
| 19:57.00 | seb-- | abrotman: any help most appreciated....alsamixergui is sayin # alsamixergui |
| 19:57.01 | seb-- | No mixer elems found |
| 19:57.07 | Thanatermesis | wols_, why you think to is not posible ? |
| 19:57.22 | abrotman | seb--: does /dev/mixer exist? |
| 19:57.28 | el_mexicano | also i use darkstat this tells also just 105 KB's in the last hour |
| 19:57.30 | ProN00b | Thanatermesis, well, there have been rumors that ati drivers are going to be partitially opened now that they joined up with intel |
| 19:57.35 | seb-- | abrotman: yes! |
| 19:57.35 | dli | wols_, so, the following news is simply misinformation? http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3625656 |
| 19:57.37 | tuxedup | Thanatermesis: the only way i can see that happening is if the opengraphics project managed to make a production card and not just devel boards. Even then they would have to be a huge hit and the ofdds are stacked against them |
| 19:57.49 | robin_sz | el_mexicano, just look at the bytes coutners in ifconfig |
| 19:57.49 | ProN00b | *amd |
| 19:57.55 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: cause they won't do it, unless there is a sizable population that is GAMING on linux (no other reason for 3D support, rest are all niches without marketshare) |
| 19:58.17 | wols_ | and I just can't see a huge linux gamer population. I can't even see a huge desktop (business) population |
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| 19:58.30 | ProN00b | wols_, you will need better performance for other things than gaming in the future |
| 19:58.35 | robin_sz | the alst thing we need is lamers ^H^H^H^Hgamers |
| 19:58.41 | Priest-of-Psi | ok I dunno |
| 19:58.42 | wols_ | and please don't start with cedega. I dunno who are the greater idiots: the cedega programmers or users |
| 19:58.45 | Priest-of-Psi | I cant set this icon theme |
| 19:58.51 | wols_ | ProN00b: no you don't |
| 19:59.02 | zinx | wols_: the nVidia and ATI drivers exist because of businesses that want them |
| 19:59.03 | abrotman | seb--: you're in the audio group ? |
| 19:59.09 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:59.10 | wols_ | robin_sz: they and only they bring the big bucks in consumer space |
| 19:59.21 | zinx | wols_: so there's some market, at lesat |
| 19:59.23 | zinx | erh, least |
| 19:59.27 | thnee | wols_: no other ideas? |
| 19:59.33 | wols_ | zinx: those businesses are fine with closed source drivers |
| 19:59.37 | zinx | wols_: this is true |
| 19:59.41 | seb-- | abrotman: i'm doing it as root which can access /dev/mixer |
| 20:00.01 | ProN00b | wols_, i do, just because i am soo cool |
| 20:00.30 | wols_ | the only pattern I can see with open videocard drivers is: whoever has cards that suck or not enough money to write their own, will open the specs |
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| 20:00.49 | robin_sz | wols_, well, heres news for you .. linux is not driven by, or dependent on big bucks. |
| 20:00.58 | seb-- | abrotman: seb is in audio group yes |
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| 20:01.11 | wols_ | as soon as the company is gaining in the marketplace, the drivers and specs got hoarded like the crown jewels |
| 20:01.14 | ProN00b | robin_sz, actually it is, at least partitially |
| 20:01.15 | Thanatermesis | ProN00b, rumors rumors rumors...ati say since long time to are opening the drivers and colaborating with xorg...and look... crappy and dangerous drivers |
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| 20:01.33 | robin_sz | ProN00b, not on gamers bucks at any rate |
| 20:01.38 | ProN00b | Thanatermesis, those rumors were on /. i think |
| 20:01.43 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:01.48 | wols_ | the move with intel going more closed source (plus their graphics card tech licensing) tell me intel wants to be more competitive in the future there. possibly due to amd+ati now |
| 20:01.51 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 20:02.07 | Thanatermesis | tuxedup, yes.... what has happened to this opengraphics project ? i have signed on the list long time ago and no more news... |
| 20:02.13 | ProN00b | robin_sz, hmm, ya, but it might in the future |
| 20:02.16 | wols_ | robin_sz: the time of linux NOT driven was over with kernel 2.0 robin_sz |
| 20:02.26 | wols_ | places like debian are the exception, not the norm |
| 20:02.56 | wols_ | just look how all the big kernel devs make their living: all with multimillion dollar outfits called "linux vendors" |
| 20:02.58 | ProN00b | debian is a place |
| 20:03.04 | ProN00b | debian is lots of things ^^ |
| 20:03.06 | robin_sz | errm, #debian is MY norm |
| 20:03.10 | Thanatermesis | wols_, well, 3d is a good option for a beautiful desktop, rendering via GL, (actual example, xgl) |
| 20:03.15 | abrotman | seb--: and you've logged in/out since doing it ? |
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| 20:03.27 | ProN00b | a comunity, a distribution, a morale, a place ^^ |
| 20:03.31 | tuxedup | Thanatermesis: the last thing I heard was the stories running all over /. and digg etc. From what I rea dlast was they were close to selling those devlopment boards to electrical engineers to finance the project and to get more physical devel done |
| 20:03.32 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: a shitty i915G can do that. I don't need a 120W nvidia (or ati) monster to do that |
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| 20:03.47 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:03.55 | seb-- | abrotman: i was always in audio group from get go |
| 20:04.04 | wols_ | yes abrotman, even yours can do it :) |
| 20:04.11 | ProN00b | wols_, you will want a nvidia to do that |
| 20:04.11 | abrotman | seb--: have you asked #alsa ? |
| 20:04.20 | abrotman | wols_: honestly .. pretty things are for managers :) |
| 20:04.28 | ProN00b | wols_, my geforce 4 can't do xgl |
| 20:04.31 | seb-- | abrotman: i didn't know it existed...nice tip thanks |
| 20:04.46 | wols_ | ProN00b: cause it can't do DX9. no shaders 2.0 or whatever |
| 20:04.47 | streuner | xgl isn't ready yet |
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| 20:04.57 | jafd | Hello here, I'm struggling to get a working network install from local partial mirror. However, the installer fails badly on packages being not signed. What do I do to make the installer trust my mirror? Searched the web over, to no avail. |
| 20:04.58 | ProN00b | wols_, no, because its to slow |
| 20:05.01 | streuner | gravity working on it |
| 20:05.03 | abrotman | ProN00b: might be able to if there were free open source drivers .. but because your company is run by assholes .. it may never happen |
| 20:05.07 | ProN00b | and i don't think xgl uses shaders |
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| 20:05.15 | wols_ | a i915 is way slower than your GF4, unless your have a GF2MX |
| 20:05.24 | Thanatermesis | wols_, well, i don't speak what card is better... just reply to your line about the "3d = only reason for gaming" |
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| 20:05.39 | ProN00b | abrotman, well, theres nothing faster |
| 20:05.58 | ProN00b | wols_, still my gf5ti4200 can't do xgl |
| 20:06.13 | abrotman | ProN00b: who cares .. you're a slave to nvidia |
| 20:06.26 | abrotman | might as well go buy office too :) |
| 20:06.31 | abrotman | MS Office i mean |
| 20:06.32 | wols_ | ProN00b: cause it does have as much features as a i915 then. speed can't be it. so it's not too slow |
| 20:06.37 | robin_sz | arent they crappy drivers that wont work unless you wrap them in shite or something? |
| 20:06.51 | abrotman | which |
| 20:06.51 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:06.55 | robin_sz | nvidia |
| 20:07.14 | wols_ | robin_sz: they mostly work. problem is, if they don't you're up shit creek totally |
| 20:07.14 | ProN00b | wols_, hmm, maybe its a problem with my setup or something, but i couldn't play videos on xgl without them dropping frames horribly |
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| 20:07.55 | lunitik | ProN00b: why Xgl? its a hacked together piece of crap |
| 20:08.03 | robin_sz | I just keep hearing so much about having to install them afterwards, separately, under a full moon, with goats blood, I just have a sorty of "avoid nvidia, partially broken" widget in my brain when I go shopping |
| 20:08.07 | wols_ | ProN00b: is there any reason why one would want XGL (or avalon) and such things? |
| 20:08.09 | lunitik | ProN00b: also not in Debian |
| 20:08.15 | lunitik | So not supported here |
| 20:08.20 | ProN00b | lunitik, because it looks wikked phat |
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| 20:08.25 | wols_ | except to have eyecandy to show off to "friemds" with less money than you? |
| 20:08.35 | lunitik | ProN00b: not supported here.. try #xgl or something |
| 20:08.57 | ProN00b | no, actually to shot it off to people with os x to demonstrate linux superiority |
| 20:09.01 | lunitik | ProN00b: Xorg 7.1 + Compiz = "looks wikked phat" and not hacked together |
| 20:09.02 | ProN00b | *show |
| 20:09.04 | wols_ | robin_sz: no. fglrx is like that. nvidia mostly works. of course it's still binary only closed BLOB |
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| 20:09.26 | ProN00b | lunitik, can it do accelerated 3d ? |
| 20:09.30 | Navux | Is there any NetSupport Client for Linux (Free client as beer and as freedom!) |
| 20:09.36 | wols_ | I don't need a better looking desktop to look down on mac weenies |
| 20:09.37 | abrotman | any what? |
| 20:09.38 | lunitik | ProN00b: yes... AIGLX |
| 20:09.46 | tuxedup | ProNOOb: how does it show the superiority of Linux? |
| 20:09.52 | abrotman | i think this conversation happens every day |
| 20:10.06 | wols_ | abrotman: this is irc, what did you execpt? |
| 20:10.11 | ProN00b | tuxedup, it burns more cycles on graphics than osx |
| 20:10.20 | abrotman | wols_: can't we start a vi/emacs war? |
| 20:10.22 | lunitik | ProN00b: you're going to show a crap implementation of something OS X already has... to show supperiority? |
| 20:10.26 | abrotman | haven't seen one of those in a while |
| 20:10.26 | ProN00b | lunitik, screens ? |
| 20:10.27 | wols_ | politics OT discussions or religion are much better in debian. geek only topics are boooring |
| 20:10.30 | lunitik | superiority* |
| 20:10.35 | streuner | !start an editor war |
| 20:10.35 | dpkg | xemacs sucks |
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| 20:10.41 | abrotman | oh yeah .. and israel is right! |
| 20:10.48 | Zap-W | ?? |
| 20:10.49 | ProN00b | lunaphyte, osx has a free spinnable cube ? fuffy windows, and other cool stuff ? |
| 20:10.53 | Zap-W | somebody said israel |
| 20:10.56 | wols_ | #debian is best for politics and religion. I had really good discussions about that in here (and I mean that seriously) |
| 20:11.00 | lunitik | ProN00b: yes |
| 20:11.15 | ProN00b | lunitik, can't be |
| 20:11.22 | lunitik | ProN00b: why not? |
| 20:11.23 | wols_ | ProN00b: it has steve jobs with a necktie. you can't win against that |
| 20:11.25 | ProN00b | i am pretty sure it doesn't have wobbly windows |
| 20:11.39 | ProN00b | *_* wols_ |
| 20:11.41 | tuxedup | ProNOOb: I would not say that is to do with Linux but to do with XGL its self. XGL is nothing but a marketing gimmic |
| 20:12.06 | robin_sz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3439 ? help? |
| 20:12.09 | lunitik | ProN00b: seriously though, show off compiz with Xorg 7.1 ... not Xgl ... Xgl is seriously crap |
| 20:12.20 | ProN00b | lunitik, does that work ? |
| 20:12.29 | ProN00b | i mean with 3d acceleration ? |
| 20:12.30 | wols_ | lunitik: does nvidia and fglrx even run with xorg 7.1? didn't think so |
| 20:12.31 | lunitik | ProN00b: no, I'm just saying it for my health |
| 20:12.42 | abrotman | this could go on for hours ... |
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| 20:12.48 | lunitik | wols_: it uses only drivers that are part of Xorg |
| 20:12.53 | mateuszb | hello everyone |
| 20:12.56 | karihre | hi |
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| 20:13.01 | wols_ | robin_sz: you need to compile and modrpobe fuse |
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| 20:13.03 | lunitik | abrotman: haha... yes, yes it could |
| 20:13.03 | tuxedup | mateuszb: hello |
| 20:13.07 | ProN00b | lunitik, i mean with 3d acceleration... you can only get that with the binary blob drivers |
| 20:13.16 | abrotman | lies |
| 20:13.20 | mateuszb | is this a good channel to ask a question about iproute2 ? |
| 20:13.20 | abrotman | lies lies lies |
| 20:13.22 | robin_sz | wols_, thanks, but you have read the past have you? |
| 20:13.24 | lunitik | ProN00b: doesn't support binary drivers... no... |
| 20:13.25 | abrotman | mateuszb: on a debian box |
| 20:13.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:13.29 | robin_sz | wols_, thanks, but you have read the paste have you? |
| 20:13.32 | wols_ | ProN00b: yes, and shitty nvidia (ati is even worse) can't get out the drivers fast enough |
| 20:13.50 | mateuszb | abrotman: yes and no. it's embedded system but ifupdown stuff is based on debian |
| 20:13.56 | ProN00b | lunitik, so 7.1 doesn't work for me (on my gf4) |
| 20:14.05 | abrotman | mateuszb: you can try . but ##linux might be better |
| 20:14.22 | ProN00b | wols_, well, the problem is rather that they don't open source it |
| 20:14.22 | abrotman | because nvidia hasn't released a driver yet perhaps ? |
| 20:14.28 | robin_sz | wols_, did you read the first and second lines of that paste? |
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| 20:14.48 | Zap-W | hmm |
| 20:14.53 | s0crates | what's the dpkg command again to reconfigure a package? |
| 20:14.53 | scoobie2 | How can I stop awk? Like, "if ($1 == $2) stop, don't give me any more lines"? |
| 20:15.14 | mateuszb | abrotman: ok . so the problem I'm having is really simple I guess. I have eth0 physical interface called eth0. it's ethernet card |
| 20:15.20 | tuxedup | dpkg-reconfigure packaganame |
| 20:15.21 | DocOC | s0crates: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:15.29 | s0crates | thanks guys |
| 20:15.30 | mateuszb | and I have 2 virtual lan interfaces |
| 20:15.38 | mateuszb | eth.0 and eth0.1 |
| 20:15.40 | s0crates | I did dpkg --reconfigure, I knew I was close, see ya |
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| 20:16.09 | stew | scoobie2: iirc there is an "exit" statement in awk |
| 20:16.13 | dli | s0crates, dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:16.14 | karihre | lunitik: :) |
| 20:16.16 | mateuszb | I've added the following line to the /etc/network/interfaces file for the eth0.1 interface |
| 20:16.24 | ProN00b | yeah, hypes suck, but bevore ubuntu the hype was debian |
| 20:16.30 | tuxedup | I personally find enlightenment far more interesting then XGL |
| 20:16.33 | karihre | lunitik: I wouldn't call Ubuntu crap though ; ) |
| 20:16.40 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:16.41 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:16.52 | mateuszb | pre-up ip link set dev eth0.1 address 11:22:33:44:55:66 |
| 20:16.59 | dli | tuxedup, gnome is good, if they can make it even faster/smaller |
| 20:17.10 | mateuszb | no matter what I try all I get is |
| 20:17.11 | mateuszb | ip: either "dev" is duplicate, or "address" is a garbage. |
| 20:17.22 | lunitik | karihre: I would |
| 20:17.27 | enouf | dli: you mean legible - and not butt-ugly |
| 20:17.30 | mateuszb | there is no way I can find it on google or anywhere else |
| 20:17.36 | Grapsus | hi! |
| 20:17.49 | enouf | lunitik: like aol |
| 20:17.57 | lunitik | karihre: look at their future plans... its almost a list of current Fedora features |
| 20:18.04 | ProN00b | abrotman, futile |
| 20:18.05 | mateuszb | how do I set the MAC address on the interface if pre-up doesnt work ? |
| 20:18.11 | robin_sz | so any more help on this enfs problem http://channels.debian.net/paste/3439 ? |
| 20:18.16 | lunitik | enouf: somewhat... yes |
| 20:18.17 | abrotman | i thought ifconfig didit |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | did it |
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| 20:18.35 | ProN00b | lunitik, well, a debian based os is better than a redhat base one |
| 20:18.38 | ProN00b | ^^ |
| 20:18.44 | mateuszb | abrotman: well, it's ifup -a job to bring all auto ifaces during boot |
| 20:18.44 | Grapsus | ifconfig hw ether 00:.... |
| 20:18.55 | scoobie2 | stew: so there is! thanks |
| 20:18.55 | lunitik | ProN00b: not really... Ubuntu is crap compared to Fedora |
| 20:18.57 | abrotman | see .. like that :) |
| 20:18.57 | stew | mateuszb: can you successfully run that on the command line? is eth0.1 really the right if name? |
| 20:18.57 | mateuszb | Grapsus: yes but I have some reasons to stick with ip |
| 20:19.01 | robin_sz | she was only the morse-code operators daughter ... but she did it, did it, did it. |
| 20:19.02 | abrotman | reasons?! |
| 20:19.05 | ProN00b | lunitik, why ? |
| 20:19.05 | mateuszb | stew: yes it is |
| 20:19.15 | stew | ProN00b: lunitik: please take it elsewhere |
| 20:19.21 | karihre | lunitik: well, yes, weren't they dropping Fedora or was that just something I heard? I'd say ubuntu has many exciting things on there plan |
| 20:19.26 | lunitik | stew: spoil sport :P |
| 20:19.30 | stew | karihre: please drop it |
| 20:19.32 | mateuszb | ifconfig works fine but I have to bring the iface down |
| 20:19.32 | ProN00b | stew, please go play guarddog elsewhere |
| 20:19.37 | Thanatermesis | no any person are using FGLRX with 3d on ETCH here ? |
| 20:19.38 | karihre | stew: hahaha |
| 20:19.44 | mateuszb | and then change the mac and then bring it up |
| 20:19.46 | thingfish | :) |
| 20:19.58 | mateuszb | ip link set dev eth0.1 ... doesnt work on cmd line |
| 20:19.58 | karihre | stew: I am not saying debian isn't great, ubuntu wouldn't be anything without it |
| 20:20.01 | jafd | Oh no, not ubuntu :( |
| 20:20.13 | Thanatermesis | ubuntu again ? |
| 20:20.14 | ProN00b | mwahahahha, jafd |
| 20:20.14 | lunitik | ProN00b: he's an op here... I think you'll be leaving first |
| 20:20.21 | jafd | damn offtopic |
| 20:20.26 | Thanatermesis | why all the ppl don't stop to speak about ubuntu ? |
| 20:20.27 | stew | karihre: ubuntu is off-topic, please drop it |
| 20:20.35 | karihre | karihre: okay okay I'll stop |
| 20:20.35 | mateuszb | so... any suggestions on how to set up the MAC before the interface goes up ? /etc/network/interfaces doesn't support hwaddress option when link mode is dhcp. it works only for static |
| 20:20.36 | ProN00b | lunitik, yeah, propably |
| 20:20.41 | Grapsus | this nights Troll... |
| 20:20.41 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, is posible to the bot reply automatically when ear the word ubuntu ? :) |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: probably .. but not my bot |
| 20:20.54 | biz | is there a good mp3 mass-tagging tool that also can fetch infos from musicbrainz or such a site? i have many un-tagged mp3s that i want to sort using id3 tags. any ideas? |
| 20:20.57 | karihre | not more offtopic then anything else here but okay |
| 20:20.58 | ProN00b | lunitik, but you gotta gimme credit for saying "please" |
| 20:21.02 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, what is your bot ? dpkg ? |
| 20:21.05 | jafd | Got a good quote recently |
| 20:21.05 | lunitik | Thanatermesis: what does your nick mean? |
| 20:21.05 | Thanatermesis | who* |
| 20:21.13 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i am a bot |
| 20:21.22 | ProN00b | Grapsus, definitely me |
| 20:21.24 | asg | mateuszb: you could try using ifconfig in a pre-up stanza |
| 20:21.25 | lunitik | abrotman: you seem like it sometimes :P |
| 20:21.30 | Thanatermesis | lunitik, greek mitology |
| 20:21.31 | abrotman | lunitik: you lost me on that one |
| 20:21.33 | mateuszb | asg: hm. let me try |
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| 20:21.59 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, oh... you are more awesome bot than apt then :) |
| 20:22.21 | jafd | That's a good one: http://techanchor.blogspot.com/2006/08/stfu-ubuntu-users.html |
| 20:22.23 | Grapsus | mateuszb, maybe you can write a little script with a 'ifconfig hw' then a 'dhclient...' |
| 20:22.29 | Grapsus | ? |
| 20:23.05 | biz | how can i search for all packages in the category works-with::audio:mp3 ? |
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| 20:23.29 | abrotman | apt-cache search |
| 20:23.45 | biz | but this will search for a given pattern? |
| 20:23.46 | Grapsus | atp-cache search id3 tag |
| 20:23.54 | mateuszb | asg: wont work. I forgot to mention there is not only vlan set up but also a bridge |
| 20:24.06 | lunitik | biz: aptitude has more specific search options... I don't remember the one for tasks though atm |
| 20:24.10 | biz | is there no way to just list all packages that are within this category? |
| 20:24.10 | jafd | So... anyone here played with a custom partial mirror to do an install from it? |
| 20:24.17 | Grapsus | your case is too complicated lol |
| 20:24.27 | s0crates | how do i completely remove a package? |
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| 20:24.39 | Grapsus | apt-get --purge remove ... |
| 20:24.43 | tuxedup | i was reading today that etch will not have selinux activated by default but all the parts will be in the repos, I know selinux is difficult to set up, but is it only really needed for machines were various network services are running e.g. apache, sshe etc? |
| 20:24.46 | s0crates | thanks |
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| 20:24.59 | jafd | biz: apt-cache search works-with::audio:mp3 | awk '{print $1;}' | xargs apt-get install |
| 20:24.59 | asg | mateuszb: oh, okay |
| 20:25.06 | tuxedup | s0crates: apt-get remove packagename --purge |
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| 20:25.58 | nix | hm. what app uses the file extention .my ? |
| 20:25.58 | s0crates | tuxedup: didn't do the trick |
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| 20:26.29 | jafd | s0crates: it won't touch its profile in your home |
| 20:26.46 | jafd | s0crates: $HOME's are sacred to dpkg. |
| 20:26.59 | s0crates | i apt-get removed nagios2 then the config was still there, so i removed it, and now I am trying to re-install and nothing |
| 20:27.02 | entro-p | how do i force the removal of a package that's giving an error when i try remove it? |
| 20:27.06 | s0crates | jafd: let me look in ~ |
| 20:27.23 | mateuszb | asg: that's my /etc/network/interfaces file -> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=66960 |
| 20:27.26 | jafd | entro-p: see dpkg --force-help |
| 20:27.31 | Grapsus | but you can remove the directory in your home by hand, its name will be /home/user/.appname/ |
| 20:27.51 | entro-p | jafd: i still get an error and removal aborts even when i use --force-all |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | entro-p: what's the error ? |
| 20:27.59 | abrotman | entro-p: that's bad |
| 20:28.11 | s0crates | root@devel:~# ls -la|grep nagios returns nothing |
| 20:28.13 | asg | mateuszb: out of curiosity, why do you need to set the MAC on the interface? |
| 20:28.14 | abrotman | jafd: you shouldn't have to do that |
| 20:28.26 | Grapsus | entoo-p i sugget you to modify the pre-rm script to return always 0 code |
| 20:28.48 | Grapsus | then you can reinstall the dirty package and purge it |
| 20:28.55 | jafd | abrotman: once a while ago, I actually needed it for a package with crippled removal scripts |
| 20:29.10 | abrotman | jafd: ok |
| 20:29.12 | mateuszb | asg: I have a weird ISP setup. My static ip is bound to a specific MAC. when I changed the equipment I didn't notify the admin to change the MAC. I change it so often that it is pointless to write the e-mail to admin every time |
| 20:29.24 | Navux | mateuszb: you can ask, here IRC chanel if any body knows get you some solution and if any body don't know ....it's clear ;-) |
| 20:29.33 | mateuszb | so I need MAC cloning |
| 20:29.46 | mateuszb | otherwise I go with some random IP which I am not fine with |
| 20:29.46 | entro-p | Grapsus: ah, i don't know the details, but you have given me the clues i need to rtfm. thank you |
| 20:30.05 | mateuszb | and more I'm NATed ... ;/ |
| 20:30.19 | asg | mateuszb: oh, okay. I'm not sure then. You might give #networking a nudge to see if they have a clever idea. |
| 20:31.04 | Grapsus | entoo-p, you have all the pre- and post-rm script of installed packages in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.[script] |
| 20:31.05 | cydork | mateuszb, there is a macchanger in debian which you can use.. |
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| 20:31.59 | mateuszb | cydork: yes, I know that, but still I want to stick with iproute2 package |
| 20:32.09 | Grapsus | where the package is the name on package and [script] is postrm or prerm, replace the content of prerm or postrm with 'exit 0' |
| 20:32.11 | jair | hello guys, how are you doing... :) |
| 20:32.16 | beardy | mateuszb: It's possible to spoof a mac adress. |
| 20:32.26 | entro-p | abrotman: you asked what the error was ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/vGQM4e49.html |
| 20:32.29 | jair | it is a way i can set the color of the Linux terminal on my machine? |
| 20:32.33 | mateuszb | beardy: yes, that's what I want to do |
| 20:32.54 | sid | What is a good free(libre) voip software I can use to talk to my friends in other countries? Something that runs on windows/mac/gnu+linux perferably. |
| 20:32.55 | mateuszb | but this setup is weird |
| 20:33.04 | beardy | jair: Yes. Do you want lots of colors, or just white background and black text? |
| 20:33.08 | mateuszb | I have a eth1 wifi card |
| 20:33.10 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:33.10 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:33.11 | tuxedup | sid: i suggest wengophone |
| 20:33.12 | abrotman | entro-p: ^^ |
| 20:33.17 | mateuszb | eth0 ethernet card |
| 20:33.25 | mateuszb | eth0.1 is a virtual lan interface connected to WAN |
| 20:33.38 | mateuszb | and eth0.0 seems to be a LAN interface |
| 20:33.53 | xai | Can a consultant use the debian logo on his site if he supports debian? The license only talks about products. |
| 20:34.37 | Grapsus | you can use the public logo but not the provate |
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| 20:34.42 | entro-p | abrotman: i should probably clarify this is not a debian problem |
| 20:34.50 | tuxedup | sid: and its Free. IIt has the same features on all the platforms it supports and its in the repos (unstable) |
| 20:35.00 | entro-p | abrotman: it's very much an entro-p problem |
| 20:35.03 | beardy | xai: You should probably go read on debian.org, should be some text on those things. |
| 20:35.07 | tuxedup | sid: Free software* |
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| 20:35.25 | sid | tuxedup: thanks a lot. Good fine |
| 20:35.27 | stew | xai: you can use the "open use" logo http://debian.org/logos |
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| 20:35.51 | Grapsus | xai, you can use the logo you want excepted the one with a bottle |
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| 20:36.05 | sid | There is a wengo phone firefox extension. heh. You can talk on the phone with firefox. heh |
| 20:36.06 | lontra|U | what filesystem would you recommend for a laptop? |
| 20:36.30 | PerfDave | lontra|U: ext3 probably, same as for a general-purpose desktop. Journalled, fairly resilient... |
| 20:36.37 | dli | lontra|U, I use reiser4, but I recommend jfs for a laptop |
| 20:36.44 | wols_ | yes. ext3 is fine |
| 20:36.51 | lontra|U | reiser4 is xfs? |
| 20:37.00 | xai | ok.. Thanks.. i read all the terms I could find at debian.org.. |
| 20:37.00 | beardy | lontra|U: No. Use ext3. |
| 20:37.00 | wols_ | no |
| 20:37.06 | xai | way to go hp.. |
| 20:37.07 | dli | lontra|U, no, reiser4 is still too experimental for most |
| 20:37.09 | wols_ | xfs is xfs, and reiser4 is reiser4 |
| 20:37.13 | lontra|U | ah |
| 20:37.23 | PerfDave | My general rule is "if you have to ask, and you don't have any reason not to, use ext3" |
| 20:37.32 | wols_ | you can use reiser3 or xfs if you want |
| 20:37.40 | lontra|U | PerfDave: makes sense |
| 20:37.42 | wols_ | PerfDave: good rule |
| 20:37.49 | wols_ | even when I don't follow it :) |
| 20:37.52 | dli | lontra|U, the draw back of ext3 on laptop is the long fsck time |
| 20:38.03 | lontra|U | i heard that xfs is pretty unstable...i've seen a lot of bashing on p.d.org with xfs |
| 20:38.16 | lontra|U | dli: but that only happens every 30 boots or something? |
| 20:38.19 | wols_ | xfs is fine, but not optimized for what you want to do |
| 20:38.32 | beardy | dpkg: choose fs rule is <reply>If you have to ask, and you don't have any reason not to, use ext3. So do it, use ext3. |
| 20:38.33 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 20:38.41 | entro-p | abrotman: i'm busy doing a "sidegrade" (???) from ubuntu to debian and it's issues there that i'm getting ;) |
| 20:38.47 | \amethyst | orthogonal to the filesystem question, you probably want to set noatime |
| 20:38.48 | Grapsus | lontra why not simply ext3? |
| 20:38.53 | beardy | PerfDave: Thanks for that. |
| 20:38.56 | lontra|U | beardy: :) |
| 20:39.01 | dli | lontra|U, yes, I mean, on a desktop, you can keep it up long, but you reboot more on a laptop, also, you expect more random situations on a laptop |
| 20:39.04 | PerfDave | lontra|U: Different people get different mileage out of things. I hear some people think that ext3 is unstable, and that reiser3 is stable. It certainly doesn't weigh out my experience, but I'm sure I haven't tried enough systems in enough situations to know for sure. And I@m sure they haven't either. |
| 20:39.07 | wols_ | entro-p: unpossible |
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| 20:39.32 | tuxedup | dli: plus its only really problem if your /home partition is huge |
| 20:39.45 | Grapsus | entro-p, replace the content of /var/lib/dpkg/info/[package].prerm with 'exit 0' |
| 20:39.48 | entro-p | wols_: it's only my X fonts that are left then i'm 100% on debian packages, ... so ... better not tell my laptop |
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| 20:39.58 | Grapsus | entoo-p, it will unistall |
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| 20:40.09 | entro-p | Grapsus: oh, fantastic thanks |
| 20:40.24 | s0crates | ok so it seems i removed a package and the /etc/package/ directory remained. I removed that and tried re-installing the package since reconfigure didn't do the trick, and apt didn't replace the /etc/ files.. what now? |
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| 20:41.03 | Grapsus | entro-p, make a backup of this file before doing anything lol |
| 20:41.13 | dli | lontra|U, also, I don't know any drawback of jfs up to now, jfs has the lowest cpu usage overall |
| 20:41.16 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'm having trouble with VHosts on Apache2 on Debian Stable. I've got two domain names pointing at a server (one in DNS, one in my hosts file), and no matter what I do, the server only shows the first-listed VHost's docroot. |
| 20:41.20 | entro-p | Grapsus: already have ;) |
| 20:41.21 | PerfDave | Anybody got any suggestions? |
| 20:41.25 | lontra|U | dli: jfs is ext3? |
| 20:41.30 | lontra|U | or just journaling file system |
| 20:41.36 | Grapsus | entro-p, and if it doens't work try the same thing with postrm script |
| 20:41.37 | stew | &jfs |
| 20:41.37 | aptitude | [jfs] Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
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| 20:41.54 | dli | lontra|U, no, jfs is the filesystem from IBM for its servers, but it works perfectly even as /boot |
| 20:41.59 | karihre | perfdave: there could be about 100 things wrong : ) |
| 20:42.12 | karihre | is your virtualhost in sites-enabled ? |
| 20:42.21 | abrotman | entro-p: i'm shocked |
| 20:42.27 | ion | I had tryed to install debian but I couldn't do it that is the output that I got ( usb.c: registereed new driver hub) so I could carry on with the installation any one know whats going on ? |
| 20:42.28 | PerfDave | karihre: Any idea where to start? I took the default apache2, wrote myself a VHost configuration in sites-available and a2ensited it |
| 20:42.42 | karihre | perfdave: did you reload apache? |
| 20:43.02 | PerfDave | karihre: Yes |
| 20:43.19 | s0crates | i just tried apt-get --reinstall install nagios2 |
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| 20:43.38 | ion | so any that can help me... ? |
| 20:43.39 | Bushmills | PerfDave: i exercised reiserfs3, ext3 und jfs, by having the parititions run full, then deleting stuff again, looked at the amount of fitting files, and freed space after deleting some of the files. it turned out that jfs behaved best with this test. |
| 20:44.02 | stew | s0crates: you have to purge it to get rid of the config files and get new ones |
| 20:44.14 | karihre | perfdave: did you change the default virtual host from <VirtualHost *:80> ? |
| 20:44.17 | sid | tuxedup: You know a good hardware device(phone) that I can hook up to my computer. Then use it with some voip software. Like I can plug a portable phone into my computer and then walk around without being restricted to the computer area. |
| 20:44.19 | PerfDave | ion: That shouldn't be a problem, that's just telling you that you've found a USB hub. What error did you get? |
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| 20:44.26 | dli | Bushmills, do you know any weakness of jfs? |
| 20:44.31 | karihre | perfdave: sorry |
| 20:44.52 | dli | Bushmills, reiser3, it's fsck nightmare, user data loss |
| 20:44.55 | Bushmills | PerfDave: i did that because i lost a partition once, after it repeatedly run full, piecewise losing some capacity. fsck didn't complain or fix. eventually, it was messed up. |
| 20:45.00 | ion | PerfDave: well I can not carry that the problem |
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| 20:45.15 | Bushmills | one jfs weakness is slowness with large directory trees |
| 20:45.26 | karihre | perfdave: do you have NameVirtualHost * somewhere in some config file? could you post your virtualhosts files? |
| 20:45.30 | beardy | mateuszb: Have a look at the package macchanger. |
| 20:45.35 | PerfDave | karihre: It says "NameVirtualHost *\n<VirtualHost *>" in sites-enabled/000-default, and "<VirtualHost *>" in sites-enabled/mysite |
| 20:45.45 | Bushmills | but, i was surprised at the reiserfs <> jfs comparison |
| 20:45.46 | Grapsus | &macchanger |
| 20:45.48 | dli | Bushmills, compared with ext3? I found it's slow at removing a huge tree |
| 20:45.55 | PerfDave | ion: I'm not sure what you mean by "can not carry" |
| 20:45.59 | ion | PerfDave: I should bee able to start donwload after the system reboots gut I can't... |
| 20:46.02 | Bushmills | because lots of small files are supposedly reiser's strong point |
| 20:46.10 | Bushmills | but jds did better there. |
| 20:46.15 | PerfDave | karihre: Give me a sec, I'll post the configs. |
| 20:46.48 | Bushmills | dli: i wasn't much concerned about speed. i looked for robustness, therefore i didn't time it |
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| 20:46.53 | PerfDave | ion: So you boot Debian from the CD, perform the installation, then reboot and it cannot connect to the Internet? |
| 20:46.58 | streuner | PerfDave: hi :-) |
| 20:47.11 | entro-p | Grapsus: all going well now. thank you |
| 20:47.17 | annoia | What is the codepage of choice in #Debian? And why? |
| 20:47.21 | Bushmills | dli: robustness, and reuseability of freed space |
| 20:47.25 | s0crates | found the problem. |
| 20:47.28 | dli | Bushmills, right, jfs is quite robust for me, up to now |
| 20:47.28 | Bushmills | reiserfs did especially bad there |
| 20:47.31 | ion | PerfDave: thats right I can not carry on with the instalation |
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| 20:47.39 | Grapsus | entro-p: cool |
| 20:47.51 | beardy | mateuszb: Also, http://www.alobbs.com/macchanger/ |
| 20:47.54 | s0crates | needed to get rid of the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info that related to nagios for future reference |
| 20:48.05 | karihre | annoia: I think everthing is trying to turn to utf8 now |
| 20:48.07 | beardy | mateuszb: Searching the web is Good. |
| 20:48.09 | dli | Bushmills, ext3 reserves 5% space for inode tables, that's a slight limit |
| 20:48.14 | Bushmills | dli: i have /home on jfs now, and am happy with it. but it is just about one year old by now. |
| 20:48.22 | annoia | karihre - Ok then |
| 20:48.22 | EvilDin | hay i have same hard links between some directory, i totaly change one directory, how do i do remount or how should i called this? |
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| 20:48.41 | PerfDave | ion: What are you installing from? |
| 20:49.32 | ion | PerfDave: well from a boot cd.... |
| 20:49.41 | Bushmills | dli: not in that respect. filling partition. looking up to what file fitted, deleted some again. the difference between before/after (running full) was largest with reiser, followed by ext3. jfs didn't lose any space. |
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| 20:50.35 | dli | Bushmills, what do you mean? kinda of space leakage? |
| 20:50.36 | ion | PerfDave: in my laptop... |
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| 20:50.55 | Bushmills | dli: right. both ext3 and reiser leaked. reiser worse than ext3 |
| 20:51.19 | tuxedup | sid: the only ones i can think of are these, http://www.linuxiso.co.uk/index.php?cPath=51 wehter they work with Linux I have no clue, I would imagine so seeing as they are on a Linux shop. Wether they work with anything other then skype again I cannot tell you |
| 20:51.36 | Bushmills | wanted originally to benchmark xfs as well, but as xfs only journales metadata, i skipped xfs |
| 20:51.48 | dli | Bushmills, not sure about this? I want to do a test now |
| 20:51.54 | PerfDave | ion: What sort of bootable CD? If you're installing from the full CD shop, you don't need to connect to the Internet. Unless you're using a businesscard ISO, you don't need to connect to the internet to get a very basic installation anyway. |
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| 20:52.09 | dli | Bushmills, can you explain in details (examples)? |
| 20:52.14 | tuxedup | sid: you could try using a bluetooth mobile headset e.g. your mobile phone handfree headset, that should work (i think) |
| 20:52.21 | PerfDave | karihre: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3440 http://channels.debian.net/paste/3441 |
| 20:52.48 | Bushmills | dli, creating three identically sized files, creating file systems in each of those, loop mounting them first |
| 20:53.15 | ion | PerfDave: no I know is the one which just start the instllation I donwload it at debian website... |
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| 20:53.19 | PerfDave | A friend of mine has used a bluetooth headset with Linux. I think it requires recompiling ALSA against bluez-utils, but after that the bluetooth device just shows up as a standard soundcard. |
| 20:53.33 | PerfDave | ion: There are many CDs which you can download from the Debian website. Can you tell me which one it was? |
| 20:53.57 | PerfDave | ion: What happens after you can't connect to the internet anyway? |
| 20:53.57 | Bushmills | then copied a large number of small numbered files, sometimes flat directory, sometimes nested directories, until no space was left, to each of them |
| 20:54.12 | Bushmills | dli: looked what the last copied file was |
| 20:54.20 | tuxedup | sid: these are some of the supported headsets http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:54.50 | ion | PerfDave: in my laptop.. |
| 20:54.54 | ion | PerfDave: in my laptop.. |
| 20:54.57 | dli | Bushmills, do you have some scripts there? no experience here |
| 20:55.02 | Bushmills | dli: removed some of the files again (to a point i saved before the free space has been filled up) |
| 20:55.03 | ion | PerfDave:sorry minimal cd |
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| 20:55.13 | Bushmills | dli: not anymore. that's about one year ago |
| 20:55.16 | dli | Bushmills, I want to test on reiser4 |
| 20:55.29 | PerfDave | ion: The business card CD? |
| 20:55.37 | PerfDave | ion: Or the netinstall CD? |
| 20:55.38 | ion | PerfDave:I can't connect at all |
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| 20:55.49 | ion | no the other one... |
| 20:55.55 | Bushmills | dli: i did try reiser4 then, which was pretty new then. but i dropped that quickly again, it froze the computer periodically |
| 20:55.57 | dli | Bushmills, jfs looks fine, I keep updating my 1GB usb-stick (liveusb), no problem at all |
| 20:56.23 | Bushmills | dli: for flash sticks, i might be tempted to use jffs2 |
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| 20:56.29 | ion | PerfDave:180MG |
| 20:56.30 | dli | Bushmills, I use jfs right for liveusb |
| 20:56.53 | Bushmills | dli: writing often to it may damage your usb stick prematurely |
| 20:57.21 | Bushmills | (do larger usb sticks have built-in wear balancing nowadays?) |
| 20:57.30 | dbe | How can I get libportaudio.so for sarge stable, it's not on the stable repositories. |
| 20:57.41 | dli | Bushmills, doesn't matter, when it dies, it's time to get a newer, bigger one |
| 20:57.53 | PerfDave | dli: Is it from a debian package in testing/unstable? If so, look at backports.rog |
| 20:57.56 | PerfDave | backports.org even |
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| 20:58.36 | PerfDave | ion: That sounds like the network install CD. So you've rebooted into your Debian installation, and it's trying to connect to the Internet? Why does it say it's doing that? |
| 20:58.39 | dli | Bushmills, dd if=/dev/zero of=~/reiser4.img bs=10M |
| 20:58.44 | inc|freaky | can someone tell me where i can find debian torrents for the dvd? the content of the directory on cdimages.debian.org is removed |
| 20:59.28 | Bushmills | dli: possibly count=16 , not sure what dd uses as default count. |
| 20:59.44 | Bushmills | 10 mb may be a bit small for ext3 |
| 20:59.46 | dli | inc|freaky, stable: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-dvd/debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 21:00.05 | ion | PerfDave: I have no idea ...because after rebbot I should get on the interner straightway but doesn't happen... |
| 21:00.06 | Hoxzer | Love you |
| 21:00.17 | PerfDave | ion: OK, what happens when you reboot? |
| 21:00.53 | ry1 | guys: I have a laptop that uses the hotplug mechanism and a wifi card that I would plug into the PCMCIA slot whenever I want to connect to a wifi network. When I plug it in, it loads the ath_pci module like it's supposed to, but how can I configure it to also load the wlan_scan_sta module which I need to scan for aps? |
| 21:01.09 | inc|freaky | dli: i forgot to mention that i want the testing dvd images ;) |
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| 21:01.28 | ry1 | right now I have to do it manually and I want it to load automatically when I plug in the card |
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| 21:01.47 | PerfDave | ry1: You may want to look at the laptop-net package to do clever things with network interfaces when they're plugged in. |
| 21:01.55 | ion | PerfDave:the kernel just stops after a little way so at the the begin works fine |
| 21:02.00 | ry1 | dave: thanks |
| 21:02.15 | ion | PerfDave:after just crash... |
| 21:02.18 | PerfDave | karihre: You are clearly psychic. My Apache vhost configuration just started working, for no reason. |
| 21:02.20 | dli | inc|freaky, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 21:02.29 | karihre | perfdave: hahahaha |
| 21:02.32 | PerfDave | ion: Hang on. You boot off the CD, perform the install, reboot and then you don't get to a login prompt? |
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| 21:03.33 | ion | PerfDave:no the boot even doesn't finish... |
| 21:03.54 | PerfDave | ion: You mean when you boot off the CD, or when you reboot after the installation? |
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| 21:05.14 | inc|freaky | dli: not foun |
| 21:05.16 | inc|freaky | d |
| 21:05.22 | inc|freaky | thats my problem |
| 21:05.30 | ion | PerfDave:look I install the cd I remove and when I reboot the system starts boots but after just crash without finish thats whats happen |
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| 21:07.06 | timmy06 | hi - anyone know of a utility that can capture tcp/ip activity with a server, then "playback" the request/response scheme locally that was captured so it would work even when offline (disconnected from the server)? |
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| 21:07.25 | PerfDave | timmy06: Does tcpdump not do that? |
| 21:08.05 | ion | PerfDave:listen maybe becuase I'm using a wireless keyboard on my laptop or doesn't matter ? |
| 21:08.12 | PerfDave | ion: OK, other than the "usb.c: registereed new driver hub", what errors do you get on boot? |
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| 21:09.05 | PerfDave | ion: Have you tried it without the wireless keyboard? |
| 21:09.05 | timmy06 | tcpdump: by playback i mean, "become a server" and act like the server in a request/response type of way. it would be a "dumb mimic" system. for example, record how apache (httpd) responds to requests on port 80, then, when offline, have the "dumb mimic" system respond in the act same way to the same requests. |
| 21:09.06 | inc|freaky | i got it thx ;D |
| 21:09.06 | timmy06 | PerfDave: sorry, i meant you |
| 21:09.31 | ion | PerfDave:not really to be honest but I want have my wireless keybord works |
| 21:09.33 | PerfDave | timmy06: You mean generate packets from a dump, spoofing the source IPs? |
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| 21:10.10 | timmy06 | PerfDave: it doesn't even have to be the same IP as the source, I can redirect the connection to localhost. but I want the response to be the same as when i was online. |
| 21:10.10 | PerfDave | ion: The first step to solving a problem is to isolate it. If you still have trouble when the wireless keyboard is not connected, we know that the wireless keyboard is not a problem. If not, then it is and we need to find a way to solve it :) |
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| 21:10.19 | EEap | Hi, I'm trying to install ATI modules from ati.com and I always got this error: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-k7/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format failed. |
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| 21:11.13 | ion | PerfDave:u right man |
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| 21:11.31 | stew | EEap: /msg dpkg invalid module format |
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| 21:12.06 | timmy06 | PerfDave: For example, say I have a DB server on 172.15.0.5 and I have a Mimic System on 172.15.0.6 - I'd like the Mimic System to watch how requests are made to the DB, then, if I make the same requests to .6 (even when .5 gets removed from the network), the same responses are made as .5 (hence "mimic" the DB). |
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| 21:12.31 | ion | PerfDave:I don't want annoy but I gonna try again and a tell you whats happened...okay? |
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| 21:13.13 | timmy06 | PerfDave: Of course the packets will be a little different, but I'm only worried about the content data (not about time stamps or latency). |
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| 21:13.16 | PerfDave | ion: Have you tried it without the wireless keyboard? If you think that's the problem, then try isolating it. |
| 21:13.43 | mha13 | how to make lilo to load Xp from other drive ? |
| 21:13.55 | ion | PerfDave:I don't think but I gonna do that.. and see |
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| 21:14.12 | mha13 | i added root=/hdb1 but it won't load |
| 21:15.00 | PerfDave | timmy06: I'm guessing that any solution you find will be libpcap-based, so you can *capture* the dump with "tcpdump -w". I'm not sure what you'd use to generate packets from the dump though. |
| 21:15.02 | ion | PerfDave:another thing too is a dual boot with windows xp... |
| 21:15.43 | timmy06 | PerfDave: i understand how it could be done, but i'm wondering if someone has written such a utility already |
| 21:15.50 | PerfDave | ion: Let's sort out one problem at a time, shall we? |
| 21:17.56 | EEap | stew ok, my gcc version is 4.0.4 (that is in my /proc/version) and (at least what I saw in make.sh script) is that the script won't compile the module with gcc not matching with the kernel's gcc |
| 21:18.24 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
| 21:18.29 | abrotman | who let him in? |
| 21:18.32 | inc|freaky | why are there 3 dvd-isos of debian etch numbered from 1 to 3? are they different or what are 2 and 3 for |
| 21:18.37 | inc|freaky | ? just additional packages? |
| 21:18.43 | abrotman | inc|freaky: more software |
| 21:18.46 | ion | PerfDave:well I gonna quit now because I need the cable to try again but I'll be back... |
| 21:18.48 | inc|freaky | ok thx :D |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 21:18.54 | EEap | stew ooopz...I saw that my gcc is pointing to gcc-4.1.2 and not 4.0.1(kernel) |
| 21:19.00 | PerfDave | ion: OK, let me know how you get on when you boot without the wireless keyboard. |
| 21:19.01 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 17849 packages, 1662 maintainers, 37415 MB installed size, 12275 MB compressed size. |
| 21:19.02 | abrotman | inc|freaky: ^^ |
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| 21:19.21 | ion | PerfDave:I will.. |
| 21:19.44 | EEap | stew what should I do? Remove this gcc and install the old? |
| 21:19.56 | ion | PerfDave:see you.. |
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| 21:20.26 | stew | EEap: no, you should be able to tell the makefile to use the right gcc using environment variables |
| 21:20.31 | Cae2 | Hi, I have a machine on a remote host that is freeze, with nmap I can see only port 111 open (rpcbind) can I do something on it? to force a shutdown or try a login |
| 21:20.40 | biz | is there a way, from within a running x session, to disable all DPMS and powersafing and screen blanking actions? |
| 21:20.47 | PerfDave | Cae2: Any idea why it's frozen? Sonething NFS-related? |
| 21:20.52 | abrotman | biz: Option "DPMS" "Off" |
| 21:20.58 | stew | biz: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 21:21.08 | biz | but i don't want to restart x |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | use xset then |
| 21:21.26 | Cae2 | PerfDave, ist nfs fault |
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| 21:22.03 | EEap | stew but I sould tell the makefile to use my current gcc? That's later version as the kernel |
| 21:22.49 | Cae2 | PerfDave, isnt nfs fault |
| 21:23.18 | anabain | how can I know the speed of my LAN card? |
| 21:23.19 | PerfDave | Cae2: Just wondering. Unfreezing it might be the simplest option. |
| 21:23.22 | phorce1 | what was the /msg dpkg hint about fixing the MD5SUM on x.conf so dpkg-reconfigure will work? Me and dpkg are going round-and-round in /msg. |
| 21:23.28 | stew | EEap: if your kernel compiled with 4.0 you need to use 4.0 |
| 21:23.33 | zimm2 | just a quicky, how can i step back to gcc4.0 from 4.1 as my nvidia installer keeps failing the cc sanity check .. |
| 21:23.38 | PerfDave | anabain: Do you mean the speed it's currently using, or the speed it's supposed to do? The former: mii-tool. The latter: lspci |
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| 21:24.03 | Kassah | is there any paticular reason why it seems the package imagemagick deends on xserver-core? |
| 21:24.05 | Cae2 | PerfDave, unfortunately there is no flag "unfreeze" for ping hehe |
| 21:24.08 | PerfDave | phorce1: It always used to be "x md5sum" |
| 21:24.18 | PerfDave | Kassah: Because it contains X utilities like "display" IIRC |
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| 21:24.21 | Kassah | oh... nm... that's a suggested package |
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| 21:24.37 | Kassah | hmm |
| 21:24.37 | EEap | stew but as I saw here, I dont have 4.0 anymore, just 4.1 |
| 21:24.41 | Kassah | any way to get around that? |
| 21:24.52 | phorce1 | PerfDave: no reply from dpkg <sigh> |
| 21:24.53 | Kassah | I see it wants to install xlibs-data |
| 21:24.57 | stew | EEap: apt-get isntall gcc-4.0 |
| 21:25.04 | Kassah | and xfree86-common |
| 21:25.06 | phorce1 | time to list |
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| 21:25.09 | zimm2 | EEap, im having the same issue here, but with a diff app .. |
| 21:25.15 | PerfDave | Kassah: That's the stuff you need for X client programs. |
| 21:25.22 | Kassah | hrrm |
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| 21:26.18 | PerfDave | !tell phorce1 about xmd5sum |
| 21:26.26 | anabain | PerfDave, thanx. Another question, can I connect a gigabit card to a 10/100/1000Base-T card? |
| 21:26.30 | dli | Bushmills, I don't see any leak up to now |
| 21:26.48 | Kassah | bah... this sucks... just seems like more of a security risk for a machine that will never need those pieces |
| 21:26.52 | PerfDave | phorce1: Since the last time I used dpkg, someone's added "translation" stuff to dpkg, which means that "x foo" gets intercepted. Annoyingly. |
| 21:27.00 | PerfDave | Kassah: You won't be running an X server. |
| 21:27.07 | Kassah | correct |
| 21:27.23 | PerfDave | anabain: Since 1000Base-T is gigabit, yes :) |
| 21:27.29 | Kassah | it's in a datacenter... and the console will never be seen really... everything is remotely done |
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| 21:27.45 | anabain | oh, thanx, I didn't know it |
| 21:27.47 | PerfDave | Kassah: You can run X apps remotely too, you know. |
| 21:27.57 | Kassah | it's a hosting machine... |
| 21:28.04 | Kassah | everything run goes to a PHP script |
| 21:28.06 | PerfDave | You can run X apps from a hosting machine :) |
| 21:28.15 | Kassah | I don't really like people doing that ;) |
| 21:28.38 | Kassah | just more crap to worry about in my mind |
| 21:28.44 | phorce1 | PerfDave: Ahh I was wondering why dpkg wouldn't answer me. It showed up in the factiod list |
| 21:28.49 | Kassah | oh well |
| 21:29.02 | anabain | one more, PerfDave, where can be the prob if I can ping between two PCs but cannot connect to internet from PC2 being PC1 the gateway (using ppp0 interface to connect to internet)? |
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| 21:30.14 | Grapsus | anabain: maybe the default route on the PC2 is wrong |
| 21:30.15 | PerfDave | anabain: PC1 is connected to the internet via ppp0, PC2 is configured to use PC1 as a gateway, they can ping each other, PC2 cannot connect to the INternet? Is PC1 set up to be a gateway (and presumably NAT box)? |
| 21:30.26 | anabain | PerfDave, PC2(eth1)---->(eth0)PC1--iptables,ipforwarding--->(ppp0)--->internet |
| 21:31.15 | PerfDave | anabain: Does ppp0 have a publically-routable IP address? Does the internal network use proper RFC1918-space addresses? |
| 21:31.16 | anabain | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:32.08 | PerfDave | anabain: What does "/sbin/route -n | grep G" on PC2 say? |
| 21:32.29 | anabain | one moment, it's in the other room... |
| 21:32.35 | PerfDave | anabain: SSH in? ;0 |
| 21:32.45 | phorce1 | hmph -- that's not the problem. reconfigure still isn't writing a new file. The joys of running Etch. |
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| 21:33.17 | Grapsus | phorce1, what is the problem? |
| 21:34.57 | annoia | Is there an XGL for Debian howto out there? The one on dpkg is down! |
| 21:36.07 | beardy | down? |
| 21:36.15 | abrotman | ask google |
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| 21:36.24 | stoned | hmm |
| 21:36.29 | stoned | back from my first day of work at Dell |
| 21:36.35 | abrotman | do you feel more stupid? |
| 21:36.37 | annoia | beardy - "Hi, I'm actually rebuilding this site from a serious failure which happened some weeks ago." |
| 21:36.41 | stoned | hah!~ |
| 21:36.42 | stoned | i knew it |
| 21:36.49 | abrotman | stoned: you're lucky i was watching at all :) |
| 21:36.53 | stoned | lol |
| 21:36.56 | stoned | you still at work? |
| 21:37.07 | abrotman | about to go home .. contemplating a bike ride .. |
| 21:37.10 | stoned | go home~ |
| 21:37.11 | beardy | annoia: "/msg dpkg xgl" mentions more than one url |
| 21:37.12 | stoned | ! |
| 21:37.14 | abrotman | i am |
| 21:37.17 | Grapsus | annoia, did you look in google cache? |
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| 21:37.41 | annoia | grapsus - How's that... Search for site: http://site ? |
| 21:37.53 | phorce1 | whoops -- brownout. REALLY need to get a UPS for the house (but IRC through ssh to a work machine using screen so no disconnect -- cool) |
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| 21:38.42 | Grapsus | annoia, try to type the URL in google maybe the page was cached before the site brokes... |
| 21:38.43 | phorce1 | Grapsus: dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't writing a new config file with the changes I select. Was trying to avoid hand editing the file. |
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| 21:39.32 | Grapsus | phorce1, did you try to do an md5 with the conffile? |
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| 21:40.01 | phorce1 | Grapsus: yep -- checked it and it said OK -- redid it anyway. Still no go |
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| 21:40.59 | phorce1 | Grapsus: The joys of running etch I suppose. Need it for the video chipset in this new machine (and it's a bit better at AMD64 stuff than Sarge) |
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| 21:41.43 | PerfDave | phorce1: Out of interest, in what way is it better at amd64 stuff than Sarge? |
| 21:42.02 | lunitik | PerfDave: amd64 isn't supported by sarge |
| 21:42.07 | phorce1 | PerfDave: better integrated already |
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| 21:42.22 | anabain | PerfDave, /sbin/route -n | grep G outputs this: 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 21:42.23 | phorce1 | lunitik: yes it is -- the kernel anyway |
| 21:42.25 | Grapsus | phorce1, and if you rename the file it still doesn't replace it with the default one? |
| 21:42.41 | ion | PerfDave: well the same thing happened you were right wasn't the keyboard... |
| 21:43.35 | phorce1 | Grapsus: hadn't tried that yet. When I tried that with the old xfree86 server it still didn't write the file. It considered "deletion" a "manual change" <heh> |
| 21:43.46 | olrrai | Anyone knows what is the script (init level) to run commnad or launch applications when back from hibernaton? |
| 21:43.59 | ion | PerfDave:so I installed the minimal boot and then again the same thind |
| 21:44.01 | anabain | PerfDave, PC2 has ip 192.168.0.3 |
| 21:44.02 | xored | i have many file ( 30.000) in one dir, and want to mv them like mv *.jpg dest , but he says, to long argument list. How can i avoid this ? |
| 21:44.09 | jafd | olrrai: you should look into /usr/sbin/hibernate |
| 21:44.17 | Grapsus | phorce1, you could get the deb package on http://packages.debian.org and extract the conffile manally... |
| 21:44.30 | olrrai | ok |
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| 21:44.39 | PerfDave | lunitik: Not officially anyway :) |
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| 21:45.11 | phorce1 | Grapsus: trying the rename trick now |
| 21:45.35 | PerfDave | anabain: What does something like "traceroute -n 64.233.187.99" do on PC2? Do you see your packets getting out through PC1? |
| 21:45.39 | lunitik | PerfDave: exactly |
| 21:46.10 | PerfDave | phorce1: Is that the only thing you mean by being "a bit better"? Official support? |
| 21:46.45 | PerfDave | ion: OK, what other output do you get other than the USB hub message? |
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| 21:47.03 | ion | PerfDave:the same one as before... |
| 21:47.12 | slashseed | hi |
| 21:47.23 | deadcat | i have a webcam "logitech 3000 pro", it has a microphone i THINK, when i plug it in. it seems to load the snd_usb_audio, but i cant seem to get that thing to record sound. |
| 21:47.23 | phorce1 | PerfDave: haven't dug in far enough yet -- so, yes. Figuring out I have an AMD64 and installing the correct kernel from the installer was pretty nice. |
| 21:47.40 | ion | PerfDave:like |
| 21:47.47 | PerfDave | ion: You only told me about the USB hub message. What else? |
| 21:48.00 | Grapsus | phorce1, but if it doesn't work the trick of manually extracting from the package should work |
| 21:48.33 | phorce1 | Grapsus: nope -- griped about "modified, not updating". But here's something odd: |
| 21:48.47 | phorce1 | Grapsus: warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 21:48.49 | slashseed | is there any program can do a viewble file compare in hex mode in linux ? |
| 21:48.59 | Guerin | slashseed: mc |
| 21:49.08 | PerfDave | phorce1: Does the Sarge amd64 installer not do that? it's been a while since I used it. |
| 21:49.11 | olrrai | I have vmplayer installed and working, but when I back from hibernation I need manually run: ifconfig vmnet8 up. Anyone knows how to auto up this vmnet? |
| 21:49.11 | jpablo | hey people, i have a lot of problems with my aptitude update lately in sid, is something broken ? |
| 21:49.13 | slashseed | mc? |
| 21:49.17 | phorce1 | Grapsus: Why would it say "/etc/X11/X"? That's not the config file |
| 21:49.26 | PerfDave | jpablo: In sid? probably. |
| 21:49.32 | stew | jpablo: can you be more specific? do you get some error messages you could share? |
| 21:49.35 | ion | PerfDave:a lots of hexadecimal and at the very and usb-uhci: High bandwith mode enabled |
| 21:49.57 | PerfDave | ion: And then it hangs? It doesnt' say "kernel panic" or anything anywhere? |
| 21:49.57 | Grapsus | phorce1, it should be /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:50.02 | jpablo | stew, PerfDave: It downloads all the packages list, then complains it doesn't have them |
| 21:50.26 | phorce1 | so I need to dig in the package and see where somebody oopsied |
| 21:50.26 | stew | jpablo: run "aptitude update" again |
| 21:50.35 | Grapsus | phorce1, there must be an error in the postinst script, try to extract the file from the deb package |
| 21:50.44 | jpablo | stew: i did, i just happend most of the time rmdomly |
| 21:51.26 | jafd | so, netinstall from a local hand-made (and hand-signed) mirror is impossible? |
| 21:51.29 | phorce1 | Grapsus: I'll go dig in the postinst and see if I can find it. Had to do that a lot when I was running Sarge as "testing" |
| 21:51.33 | jpablo | stew: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 21:51.38 | jpablo | happends with other mirros too |
| 21:51.59 | anabain | PerfDave, traceroute outputs this: 1 192.168.0.1 2 192.168.153.1 3 80.58.116.225, etc. |
| 21:52.02 | ion | PerfDave:not really |
| 21:52.23 | anabain | PecisDarbs, it seems as if it reaches internet, but # ping - |
| 21:52.34 | anabain | sorry, PecisDarbs |
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| 21:53.02 | ion | PerfDave:perhaps is my system do you wanna know...it might helps... |
| 21:53.12 | Grapsus | phorce1, is it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst ? |
| 21:53.14 | anabain | PerfDave, it seems as if it reaches internet, but # ping -I eth1 www.google.com says host unreachaable, and firefox doesn't work, of course |
| 21:53.23 | PerfDave | ion: What do you mean, "not really"? |
| 21:53.50 | PerfDave | anabain: Hmm. What does "host www.google.com" say? It could just b that you're missing DNS servers. |
| 21:53.52 | jpablo | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 21:53.52 | jpablo | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-powerpc/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 21:53.54 | jpablo | crap |
| 21:54.00 | PerfDave | s/\bb\b/be/ |
| 21:54.15 | jpablo | maybe ppc is b0rked |
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| 21:54.33 | ion | PerfDave:not kernel panic which should pop up on my screen... |
| 21:54.58 | PerfDave | ion: You don't see the words "kernel panic" at all? |
| 21:55.10 | ion | PerfDave:no |
| 21:55.37 | Guerin | PerfDave: my god, man, what are you doing? |
| 21:56.10 | PerfDave | Guerin: I don't know, it just came over me. |
| 21:56.15 | PerfDave | ion: OK, what model laptop do you have? |
| 21:57.20 | ion | PerfDave: hp pavilion ze4900 / celeron M/ 1.5Ghz |
| 21:57.30 | Guerin | !tranquilise PerfDave |
| 21:57.34 | anabain | PerfDave, in PC2 this: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 21:57.45 | PerfDave | ion: Have you had a look at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ yet? |
| 21:57.55 | olrrai | bye |
| 21:57.55 | PerfDave | anabain: That looks like the problem then :) |
| 21:57.58 | anabain | PerfDave, in PC1, a list of adresses and domain names |
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| 21:58.16 | PerfDave | anabain: Are you using DHCP to allocate an IP address to pc2, or static network configuraiton? |
| 21:58.24 | anabain | static |
| 21:58.39 | PerfDave | anabain: OK, what does your /etc/resolv.conf say on PC2? |
| 21:58.40 | anabain | pc2 is 192.168.0.3 |
| 21:58.55 | anabain | one moment, PerfDave |
| 21:59.34 | ion | PerfDave: do one which tells you which laptop I can install linux yeah ? |
| 21:59.51 | ion | PerfDave: the one which tells you which laptop I can install linux yeah ? |
| 22:00.16 | Grapsus | ios, its says how to install, not if you do it ^^ |
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| 22:00.32 | Grapsus | you can* |
| 22:00.37 | christophe971 | hello everyone |
| 22:00.50 | phorce1 | Grapsus: yeah, something strange is definitely going on. Looking through the postinst I see where it's supposed to be creating a backup and it should also create a new config if the old one has been deleted. None of that is working right. This is going to take some fiddling with to get right. |
| 22:00.54 | christophe971 | what's the name of the app who does the ncurses partitionning at debian install ? |
| 22:01.06 | jafd | christophe971: partman |
| 22:01.09 | PerfDave | ion: The one which has plenty of information about installing different distributions on various laptops and what problems you may run into. |
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| 22:01.27 | jafd | christophe971: but it is only in installer, it uses parted as backend |
| 22:01.35 | christophe971 | ooo |
| 22:01.38 | christophe971 | okay jafd thanks |
| 22:01.56 | Grapsus | phorce1: I think it will be faster to extract the conffile from the .deb package |
| 22:03.17 | Grapsus | jafd: and ubuntu uses gParted lol I joke... |
| 22:03.18 | phorce1 | Grapsus: it's not using the right video driver and such. That's why I was running reconfigure. |
| 22:03.39 | ion | PerfDave: i've been there they didn't tell about that problem anyway i gonna try to think whats happening but many thanks for your help... |
| 22:04.04 | PerfDave | ion: Are you actually using any USB devices? Try booting the kernel with "nousb" and seeing what happens. |
| 22:04.13 | Grapsus | phorce1: ok I see, then you can try the postinst of the unstable package |
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| 22:06.38 | ion | PerfDave:what is that ? |
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| 22:07.36 | anabain | PerfDave, I have no resolv.conf file... weird. which prog should I install? |
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| 22:07.44 | ion | PerfDave:you mean remove all the usb devices....? |
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| 22:08.06 | PerfDave | anabain: You could install "resolvconf", or you could just write your own one. |
| 22:08.18 | PerfDave | ion: No, I mean pass the parameter "nousb" to the kernel on boot. |
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| 22:08.31 | ry1 | perfdave: where do I find doccumentation for laptop-net? |
| 22:08.35 | slashseed | to compare two files in hex ,i do not know a good way ,so i first open the files in editor in hex, and save it as txt ,and then use diff to compare,is there a better way to do this ? |
| 22:08.37 | anabain | PerfDave, ok, and I must put nameserver etc., no? |
| 22:08.46 | PerfDave | ry1: /usr/share/doc/laptop-net might be a good start |
| 22:08.54 | PerfDave | anabain: Yeah, you should be able to copy it from PC1 |
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| 22:09.47 | Guerin | slashseed: sounds sane to me |
| 22:09.53 | PerfDave | anabain: Once you get it all up and running, you might want to look at dnsmasq - it's a simple DHCP / DNS server which is great for running on the gateway for a small network (in this case PC1) |
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| 22:10.09 | ion | PerfDave: okay cheers...see ya if a sort out I come back to you is might helps one day who knows :) |
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| 22:11.49 | souljas | did a server drop? |
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| 22:12.07 | Grapsus | what's happening? |
| 22:12.20 | souljas | good question |
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| 22:12.24 | Guerin | someone is setting us up the bomb |
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| 22:12.48 | Grapsus | is it the beggining of the nuclear war? ^^ |
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| 22:13.20 | Guerin | your guess is as good as mi#(*$&*%)$)#<<,....9874e2 |
| 22:13.24 | souljas | nah looks like it happened in a few other channels aswell |
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| 22:14.49 | Grapsus | some of freenode servers gone down, look at the /link command |
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| 22:14.57 | Grapsus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.23 | annoia | I'm trying to get XGL working using some guide I found on google, which is in Italian. Makes it a bit hard, since I don't know Italian, but here goes. :) |
| 22:15.24 | thingfish | oh well I thought something happened. |
| 22:16.11 | annoia | I followed it, but when I try to login I get an error that it can't find the fixed font.. |
| 22:16.21 | Guerin | annoia: the lines of code are probably in debianese |
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| 22:16.24 | annoia | Can this be significant, and if so, how do I install it? |
| 22:16.31 | annoia | guerin - Exactly :) |
| 22:16.34 | trygg_ | How can i check what my temp my radeon 9000 is? :/ |
| 22:16.38 | robin_sz | so, has anyone actually got encfs to work in Sarge then? |
| 22:16.39 | annoia | guerin - And partly Gnomese :P |
| 22:16.43 | Guerin | trygg_: touch it |
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| 22:16.56 | Guerin | trygg_: if it hurts, it's ok. If it blisters instantly, it's not |
| 22:17.34 | trygg_ | My box locks up and i think its my graphiccard that gets too warm |
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| 22:17.52 | Guerin | trygg_: run it for a while with the case off and a fan blowing in there |
| 22:17.58 | robin_sz | trygg_, check your clock settings, make sure its not overclocked in anyway |
| 22:18.01 | Guerin | trygg_: or with a different video card |
| 22:18.03 | trygg_ | I am doing it now. |
| 22:18.08 | trygg_ | Its not overclocked :) |
| 22:18.22 | robin_sz | not even the radeon? |
| 22:18.34 | trygg_ | Nope. |
| 22:18.39 | robin_sz | fairy nuff |
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| 22:19.34 | phorce1 | Grapsus: too much of a pain in the rear right now. I just fixed the xorg.conf by hand. I'll play with it again later when I have more time. Need to drop out of here and scp my irssi config to the local machine so I can drop out of the ssh to my work box. |
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| 22:20.41 | mrec_ | does anyone know how I can use a softmodem? |
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| 22:20.44 | Grapsus | phorce1: ok maybe this bug will be corrected soon |
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| 22:21.36 | Guerin | mrec_: run windows |
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| 22:21.42 | jarjar26 | i recently apt-get update and now when i start samba, the system send email to root accout with this mention :The Samba 'panic action' script, /usr/share/samba/panic-action, |
| 22:21.42 | jarjar26 | was called for pid 3015 (/usr/sbin/smbd). The Samba 'panic action' script, /usr/share/samba/panic-action, |
| 22:21.42 | jarjar26 | was called for pid 3015 (/usr/sbin/smbd). |
| 22:21.48 | phorce1 | Grapsus: I'll keep picking at it until I have enough to provide an intelligent bug report |
| 22:21.55 | Grapsus | phorce1: I had some problems too with xserver-xorg when updated my laptop from sarge to etch this morning |
| 22:22.13 | Guerin | jarjar26: #samba |
| 22:22.25 | phorce1 | Grapsus: as a non-programmer it takes me a while |
| 22:22.30 | mrec_ | Guerin: softmodems still don't work with linux? |
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| 22:22.40 | stew | mrec_: some do, try linmodems.org |
| 22:22.48 | Guerin | mrec_: some do, some don't, all are shit |
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| 22:23.07 | mrec_ | well I have a softmodem which works but how can I connect to the net with it? |
| 22:23.07 | Guerin | mrec_: sometimes you have toi pay fr drivers |
| 22:23.14 | jarjar26 | Guerin, i don,t think is a samba issue , beceaus all working good before i iupgrade ... |
| 22:23.17 | phorce1 | Grapsus: I came REAL close to just buying a video card for this "play machine" when I discovered X in sarge didn't like the VIA video chip |
| 22:23.19 | Guerin | mrec_: it works on linux? how do you know? |
| 22:23.22 | mrec_ | I wrote a driver for my usb softmodem |
| 22:23.30 | mrec_ | I'm able to dial out and so.. |
| 22:23.36 | mrec_ | capture the audio stream etc. |
| 22:23.43 | Guerin | mrec_: oh. Then you probably just want to run pppconfig |
| 22:23.53 | Guerin | mrec_: which softmodem? |
| 22:24.05 | mrec_ | Guerin: au600, http://alsa.opensrc.org/au600 |
| 22:24.24 | mrec_ | it's a usb phone bridge but I can also dial out with it.. |
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| 22:24.34 | Grapsus | phorce1: yeah it's boring to search in install scripts, I have also some problems with a VIA chip, it doesn't support XGL !!!! |
| 22:24.38 | mrec_ | using DTMF tones actually.. |
| 22:24.50 | zzsputnik | good evening! |
| 22:25.00 | Guerin | mrec_: nice. |
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| 22:25.13 | sid | https://sourceforge.net/projects/ffpreloader/ Is there a project like that for GNU/Linux? |
| 22:25.16 | mrec_ | the windows driver is the worst crap I've ever seen |
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| 22:25.25 | mrec_ | the linux one rocks :-) |
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| 22:25.43 | zzsputnik | i need help on resizing my desktop, i am stuck with 2 options graphicly... |
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| 22:26.03 | zzsputnik | anybody out there who can help |
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| 22:27.06 | Grapsus | zzsputnik, Alt + Crtl + '+' lol |
| 22:27.19 | Guerin | zzsputnik: xrandr |
| 22:27.29 | zzsputnik | what? |
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| 22:28.37 | zzsputnik | !paste |
| 22:28.37 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:29.07 | Stevie-O | xrandr is the X Rotate and Resize extension |
| 22:29.57 | zzsputnik | ok, i see |
| 22:30.03 | zzsputnik | ;) |
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| 22:30.28 | Stevie-O | I think it's used for certain exotic displays that can be rotated |
| 22:31.25 | Guerin | which are awesome if you do a lot of text layout, because you can flip a widescreen display 90 degrees and view entire pages at well over full size |
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| 22:33.48 | displaced | does anyone here use dansguardian |
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| 22:38.42 | sprink | where are the debian testing/unstable isos at on debian.org? |
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| 22:38.57 | stew | sprink: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 22:39.14 | sprink | ty |
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| 22:40.06 | silverblade | id like to upgrade my kernel - which apt package should i use? |
| 22:40.31 | sprink | what version kernel is debian testing currently using? |
| 22:40.45 | phorce1 | silverblade: the one for the kernel you want to upgrade to? |
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| 22:41.01 | silverblade | phorce1 - i guessed that but how do i find the package name |
| 22:41.02 | abrotman | sprink: 2.6.16 |
| 22:41.02 | phorce1 | silverblade: kernel-image-.... |
| 22:41.09 | silverblade | ah |
| 22:41.29 | phorce1 | silverblade: apt-cache search kernel-image|less |
| 22:41.35 | Grapsus | you can make your own one with makekpkg.... |
| 22:41.57 | silverblade | phorce1 - i only seem to have entries for 2.6.8 |
| 22:42.03 | silverblade | how can i get something newer |
| 22:42.15 | sprink | silverblade. upgrade to testing |
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| 22:42.19 | phorce1 | hmph irssi made some config changes between sarge and etch. Gotta tweak again |
| 22:42.31 | sprink | silverblade. you're using the debian stable tree.. I assume |
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| 22:42.40 | silverblade | sprink - yes... what do i need to do |
| 22:42.55 | phorce1 | silverblade: if you're running sarge that's as far as it went. Probably have to use make-kpkg to build your own |
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| 22:43.06 | sprink | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file, everything that says stable change to testing |
| 22:43.11 | silverblade | ok |
| 22:43.15 | sprink | then apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 22:43.23 | phorce1 | silverblade: WHOA!!! |
| 22:43.43 | phorce1 | silverblade: ONLY do that if you want to upgrade the whole system to "testing" |
| 22:44.04 | sprink | yeah.. sorry.. thought I made that clear |
| 22:44.20 | silverblade | and is that such a bad thing? |
| 22:44.53 | phorce1 | silverblade: No -- it's OK. Still some wobblies out there (like my problems with getting X configured) |
| 22:45.07 | silverblade | this is just for a fairly basic fileserver... having usb issues though |
| 22:45.16 | abrotman | sprink: that's wrong |
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| 22:45.36 | sprink | abrotman. wont work? |
| 22:45.41 | abrotman | and you shouldn't track testing unless you know what you're doing |
| 22:45.53 | abrotman | sprink: it may work eventually .. but it's not right :) |
| 22:46.19 | phorce1 | sprink: needed to end with apt-get dist-upgrade, not just upgrade |
| 22:46.20 | abrotman | !tell silverblade about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:46.25 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 22:46.33 | sprink | ah, right |
| 22:46.55 | sprink | !tell sprink about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:47.09 | phorce1 | sprink: I wanted to find out if silverblade really wanted to go that route before correcting it |
| 22:47.57 | phorce1 | sprink: you can do that "silently" with /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:48.09 | silverblade | 404 not found for the backport page |
| 22:48.24 | stew | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:48.24 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 22:48.36 | silverblade | The requested URL /instructions.html was not found on this server. |
| 22:48.46 | stew | !sarge 2.6.16 =~ s#http://backports.org/instructions.html#http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions# |
| 22:48.46 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'http://backports.org/instructions.html', stew |
| 22:49.06 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:49.08 | abrotman | boo |
| 22:49.11 | stew | !sarge 2.6.16 =~ s#instructions.html#dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions# |
| 22:49.12 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'instructions.html' |
| 22:49.16 | abrotman | haha |
| 22:49.37 | abrotman | !literal sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:49.37 | dpkg | "sarge 2.6.16" is "<reply>see stable 2.6.16" |
| 22:49.42 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 22:49.44 | sprink | ah ok |
| 22:49.45 | stew | !stable 2.6.16 =~ s#instructions.html#dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions# |
| 22:49.45 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 22:49.58 | stew | abrotman: it shoudln't have mattered, i submitted a patch to fix that |
| 22:50.00 | sprink | I only run debian stable on a server, never did a upgrade like that |
| 22:50.08 | abrotman | stew: doesn't mean it's been applied |
| 22:50.09 | sprink | I run arch linux and gentoo for my desktops |
| 22:50.26 | stew | abrotman: it was |
| 22:50.32 | phorce1 | stew: should have seen me trying to get dpkg to tell me about "x md5sum" |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | stew: your patch sucks! |
| 22:50.53 | stew | abrotman: it might have been lost when he resynced to the upstream svn |
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| 22:51.06 | abrotman | ah .. possibly |
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| 22:53.38 | abrotman | again? |
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| 22:56.47 | stoned | one day I will install debian in my house |
| 22:57.23 | stoned | be like all futuristic and stuff with the linux house |
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| 22:59.39 | abrotman | why wait? |
| 22:59.57 | phorce1 | stoned: Most of the lights are done. The coffee pot is done. The router is done (so I can reset it if it loses its mind). Doorbell is automatic using a motion sensor. Need to set up the cameras again. Trying to figure out if I'll be able to control/view them from linux. I'm normally a command line user so X will take some fiddling with. |
| 23:00.56 | sanmarcos | god!! |
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| 23:01.07 | robin_sz | yes? |
| 23:01.10 | robin_sz | what? |
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| 23:01.38 | abrotman | phorce1: you are a lazy man .. Wally must envy you :) |
| 23:01.44 | phorce1 | stoned: no computer control right now because the X10 Winblows software sucks and they aren't being very friendly to the developers. |
| 23:02.20 | phorce1 | abrotman: You just don't realize how much WORK it takes to be "lazy". hehheh |
| 23:02.25 | stoned | lol |
| 23:02.32 | stoned | its the fruit of your loins |
| 23:02.36 | stoned | err |
| 23:02.37 | abrotman | phorce1: i'm sure it was a pain in the ass |
| 23:02.39 | stoned | fruit for your labours |
| 23:02.43 | stoned | wtf was I thinking |
| 23:02.55 | stoned | oh yeah, meet the fockers |
| 23:03.04 | stoned | I mean |
| 23:03.08 | stoned | not fruit for your labours |
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| 23:03.13 | Stevie-O | feet the mockers |
| 23:03.13 | stoned | fruits of your labours |
| 23:03.22 | phorce1 | abrotman: I still have to rewire a large portion of the house to clean up the mess made by the guy who built it. I only discovered the mess because I was playing with the automation. |
| 23:03.22 | stoned | god I'm baked |
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| 23:03.52 | abrotman | thank god you only work at dell |
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| 23:04.29 | Bry2k200 | does anyone know how to change the kmenu icon?? |
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| 23:05.51 | silverblade | i followed the advice given earlier and have got an error regarding udev, telling me i need a new kernel (which i just installed?!) |
| 23:06.05 | abrotman | Bry2k200: lunitik says you can configure anything in kde .. he should know |
| 23:06.10 | phorce1 | OK, /me is going to fix sshd and see if I can determine what changes were made in the irssi config that has my screen using the wrong colors |
| 23:06.16 | pstickne | silverblade, did you see what kernel version it told you that you needed? |
| 23:06.21 | beardy | Bry2k200: Try asking in #debian-kde aswell. (if it exists) |
| 23:06.21 | phorce1 | silverblade: have you rebooted into the new kernel yet |
| 23:06.21 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 23:06.27 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 23:06.28 | pstickne | silverblade, a "new" 2.6.13 kernel won't cut it. |
| 23:07.12 | silverblade | ok |
| 23:07.35 | stoned | abrotman, you're evil! |
| 23:07.51 | abrotman | stoned: like you're the first person to say that .. jeez |
| 23:08.03 | stoned | lol |
| 23:08.05 | silverblade | it hasnt installed the new kernel. |
| 23:08.07 | stoned | hopeless |
| 23:08.28 | stoned | abrotman, btw, I'm referring to the kde part |
| 23:08.52 | abrotman | i know |
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| 23:09.51 | anders__ | hello |
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| 23:10.32 | anabain_ | how can I know which version of the forcedeth driver module have I installed? |
| 23:10.34 | du | do you guys know the problem about linux and slow internet connection? |
| 23:10.46 | stew | anabain_: /sbin/modinfo forcedeth |
| 23:10.49 | anders__ | how do i repair the problem i get from k3b when i shall burn a file: Could not fix growisofs executable, HELP ME! |
| 23:11.34 | lunitik | Bry2k200: umm, just change the kmenu.png file in your icon theme... |
| 23:11.50 | lunitik | Bry2k200: or edit the icons theme file... |
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| 23:12.21 | anders__ | !growisofs |
| 23:12.21 | dpkg | http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 23:13.00 | du | i have internet browsing/downloading and uploading slowed on my debian machine from 2 days to now, mum's windows machine surf internet ok, why? |
| 23:13.04 | anabain_ | stew, do you mean this?: srcversion: 0E29D7A673C2DE2A0E19EEF |
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| 23:13.51 | mike-e | hey, what does it mean if i put in blank dvd media and it can't tell me how much the dvd's capacity is |
| 23:14.23 | stew | anabain_: i don't know. if that doesn't give you something obvious check dmesg after loading it |
| 23:14.36 | beardy | mike-e: The program you are using to display it't capacity doesn't do it's job? |
| 23:14.42 | anabain_ | ok, thanks, stew |
| 23:14.56 | mike-e | beardy: gnome baker and the default one in gnome doesn't |
| 23:15.00 | mike-e | kinda odd |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | nautilus |
| 23:15.19 | beardy | mike-e: Well.. are they supposed to be able to do it? |
| 23:15.27 | mike-e | i would assume so? |
| 23:15.37 | mike-e | that'd be asinine if they wern't |
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| 23:15.55 | beardy | mike-e: Don't you know what kind of disc you have? |
| 23:16.04 | mike-e | no cuz i stoll them from my coworker |
| 23:16.06 | mike-e | =D |
| 23:16.29 | mike-e | that's irrelivant though |
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| 23:16.45 | sanmarcos | nautilus |
| 23:18.19 | mike-e | nautilus doesn't say it |
| 23:19.11 | enouf | mike-e : I don't use gnome but google this [CD DVD ATIP "gnomebaker"] |
| 23:20.06 | mike-e | ok? |
| 23:21.36 | mike-e | in nautilus i go file -> properties -> basic , the 'free space' field has annotated Unknown |
| 23:21.49 | mike-e | someone pop a blank dvd in and tell me if nautilus shows free space? |
| 23:23.24 | beardy | mike-e: Fot free space to be seen, it has to have a fiöesystem, blank discs doesn't have that, so that will not work. Perhaps cdrecord can. |
| 23:23.31 | beardy | filesystem |
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| 23:28.47 | enouf | mike-e : see http://users.dslextreme.com/~craig.lawson/linux_notes/cds.html (scroll to this part "Drive light on, but nobody's home" see 4. ) - -atip data works for cds (cdrecord) 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX -atip' , not sure with dvds though |
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| 23:36.34 | lunitik | enouf: don't recommend gnomebaker and friends... bonfire is better |
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| 23:37.18 | lunitik | enouf: graveman gnomebaker .... meh ... bonfire is by far the nicest stand-alone gtk based cd burner |
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| 23:37.50 | enouf | lunitik : I didn't - mike-e did -- I'm too lazy to get up and dig out a blank dvd and try it with k3b |
| 23:38.16 | Stevie-O | how do I tweak the make flags for module-asssistant? |
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| 23:38.38 | abrotman | gnomebaker is easily the best |
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| 23:40.05 | Stevie-O | specifically, I need it to compile with gcc-4.0, not gcc-4.1, so it matches my kernel |
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| 23:42.11 | Random | hello i am having troubles mounting a USB device ... mount -t vfat /dev/sda ~jim/ifp/ ... mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device ... can someone help? |
| 23:42.49 | dli | Random, you may not have the kernel driver for /dev/sda :( scsi/usb/, etc. |
| 23:43.03 | Random | would make sense |
| 23:43.07 | Random | i will look |
| 23:44.02 | cydork | !usbstorage |
| 23:44.03 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 23:44.19 | cydork | Random, ^^ |
| 23:44.28 | enouf | try mount -t vfat /dev/sda ~/jim/ifp/ ... mount: /dev/sda |
| 23:45.01 | dli | cydork, if you talking about usb-stroage, you need kernel modules: sd_mod, sg, [euo]hci_hcd, usb_storage |
| 23:45.31 | cydork | dli, i was thinking the same too.. that factioid needs changin.. |
| 23:45.39 | Random | i think i have hotplug and ums ... |
| 23:45.46 | dli | cydork, do it :) |
| 23:45.47 | Random | sorry usb host side and ums |
| 23:46.11 | k-man | what's a good sata drive to get for multi user file serving? |
| 23:46.27 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 23:46.27 | dli | cydork, better to mention automounter (ivman) |
| 23:46.30 | k-man | im thinking of a WD raptor wd1500 or something similar? |
| 23:46.32 | k-man | ok |
| 23:46.33 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:47.03 | abrotman | k-man: i'd htink the controller is more important |
| 23:47.18 | k-man | abrotman, hmm.... like what? |
| 23:47.28 | enouf | cydork: looks like Random just forgot a / in the syntax (before ~), unlesss it's a typo |
| 23:47.35 | abrotman | k-man: ask #hardware |
| 23:47.42 | k-man | ok |
| 23:47.43 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:47.46 | Random | i am mounting to a usr folder |
| 23:47.52 | Random | its not an error :-) |
| 23:47.55 | Random | lsmod | grep usb_storage |
| 23:47.58 | Random | returns nothing |
| 23:47.59 | Random | :-) |
| 23:48.07 | Random | so i guess i am missing something |
| 23:48.10 | Random | ? |
| 23:48.30 | cydork | enouf, it's ok if he is tying to mount it in his home |
| 23:48.55 | abrotman | !enter |
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| 23:48.56 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 23:49.24 | Stevie-O | hey abrotman |
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| 23:49.32 | abrotman | Stevie-O: go build lirc |
| 23:49.41 | Stevie-O | how do I make module-assistant build lirc using gcc-4.0 instead of gcc-4.1 ? |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | install gcc-4.0 .. then use update-alternatives |
| 23:50.01 | Random | export CC=gcc-... |
| 23:50.14 | Random | then build ... sorry hit enter :-) |
| 23:50.17 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's right .. gcc for some stupid reason doesn't use alternatives |
| 23:50.31 | Stevie-O | Random: that's what I tried! |
| 23:50.37 | Stevie-O | actually I didn't export |
| 23:50.43 | abrotman | export helps |
| 23:50.44 | Stevie-O | I did 'CC=gcc-4.0 module-assistant' |
| 23:50.50 | Stevie-O | that always worked for make |
| 23:50.58 | Random | export will work in bash ... try "env | grep CC" after |
| 23:51.21 | dli | Stevie-O, I would simply recompile kernel with the current gcc :) |
| 23:51.26 | Stevie-O | I tried that too. |
| 23:51.32 | Stevie-O | Took ages and the result didn't boot |
| 23:51.37 | eric_ | hi all, I'm looking for feedbacks from people who used label printers with debian. I'm currently looking for a new label printer that would be quite nicely supported by debian. I checked the slp series from seiko, linuxprinting report it's mostly working, but setuping the driver (slap) looks a pain in the ass. Same thing for the brother p series. Anyone have a suggestion ? |
| 23:51.38 | Random | i personally tried ... export CC=gcc-4.0; module-assitent ... etc etc? |
| 23:51.48 | Stevie-O | trying that now, random |
| 23:51.54 | abrotman | eric_: the glabels site might mention some |
| 23:51.58 | dli | Random, you can edit the Makefile all |
| 23:52.23 | Random | that to ... you can add CC to the makefile ... |
| 23:52.29 | eric_ | thanks for the pointer abrotman |
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| 23:52.46 | Stevie-O | vermagic: 2.6.16-2-486 486 gcc-4.1 |
| 23:52.47 | Stevie-O | no luck |
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| 23:53.00 | Random | so i guess no one knows what my problem could be with mounting the usb device ... |
| 23:53.14 | Stevie-O | nope |
| 23:53.32 | Stevie-O | oh my god |
| 23:53.36 | Stevie-O | Random... |
| 23:53.51 | cydork | Random, did you try modprobe usb-storage?? |
| 23:53.53 | Stevie-O | the freaking Makefile for lirc modules overrides CC |
| 23:53.58 | abrotman | hah |
| 23:54.09 | Random | you could temporary do a mkdir mybin; ln -c gcc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0; export PATH=$HOME/mybin:$PATH; module-assistent; |
| 23:54.10 | Stevie-O | !!! |
| 23:54.10 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 23:54.20 | Stevie-O | Random: I'm just editing the makefile |
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| 23:54.26 | sussudio | %fruitsmite Stevie-O |
| 23:54.26 | Random | ok |
| 23:54.31 | sussudio | :-| |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | @fruitsmite sussudio |
| 23:54.51 | sussudio | stupid debian and stopping mysql |
| 23:54.57 | Stevie-O | !pony sussudio |
| 23:55.08 | sussudio | %nutsmite Stevie-O |
| 23:55.24 | Stevie-O | mmmm |
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| 23:55.36 | Stevie-O | yummy! |
| 23:55.38 | sussudio | in soviet russia, pecans roast you |
| 23:55.41 | abrotman | can we get almonds instead ? |
| 23:55.44 | Stevie-O | there is no soviet russia |
| 23:55.45 | sussudio | no |
| 23:55.55 | Stevie-O | there hasn't been for like 15 years |
| 23:56.09 | sussudio | %lose Stevie-O |
| 23:56.10 | badgers | Stevie-O: You Lose. |
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| 23:56.11 | abrotman | Stevie-O: you just ruined sussudio's life .. good job |
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| 23:57.43 | Stevie-O | how do I do an s/// on a dpkg factoid |
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| 23:58.28 | cydork | Stevie-O, /msg dpkg factoid=~ s/// |
| 23:58.44 | Stevie-O | !nutsmite sussudio |
| 23:58.49 | Stevie-O | %nutsmite sussudio |
| 23:58.54 | Stevie-O | %nutsmite sussudio |
| 23:58.58 | Stevie-O | @nutsmite sussudio |
| 23:59.06 | simonrvn | stop it |
| 23:59.07 | Stevie-O | how many freakin bots do we have here |
| 23:59.28 | abrotman | &eat Stevie-O |
| 23:59.39 | simonrvn | /ig Stevie-O |
| 23:59.44 | cydork | Stevie-O, many :) |
| 23:59.54 | Stevie-O | /ig me ? |