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| 00:03.02 | simonrvn | i should add one for kingsley just on principle |
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| 00:03.59 | poonj_ | hey guys |
| 00:04.13 | Random | if fdisk -l doesn't show my /dev/sda ... and tail -f /var/log/messages shows the usb dev mounting ... and usbview can see the device ... does anyone know what else would cause a usb drive to fail to mount |
| 00:04.15 | poonj_ | I have a question...how does the kernel determine the order in which it loads modules for network cards? |
| 00:04.40 | poonj_ | if I have multiple network cards |
| 00:04.41 | jetscreamer | when the initrd is rolled |
| 00:04.46 | jetscreamer | there's an order |
| 00:04.53 | abrotman | poonj_: it's magic |
| 00:04.56 | jetscreamer | you can specify the order when you create the initrd |
| 00:05.06 | jetscreamer | but i don't know how offhand |
| 00:05.12 | poonj_ | well |
| 00:05.15 | jetscreamer | not even on hand, but that's how it works |
| 00:05.19 | poonj_ | I tried configuring /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:05.21 | Stevie-O | vermagic: 2.6.16-2-486 486 gcc-4.0 |
| 00:05.22 | abrotman | i use /etc/modutils/ and the actions file .. |
| 00:05.23 | Stevie-O | about freaking time |
| 00:05.28 | poonj_ | okay |
| 00:05.32 | Stevie-O | I had to ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 /usr/local/bin/gcc |
| 00:05.39 | abrotman | poonj_: you can use udev rules if you use that |
| 00:05.46 | stephon | Is there any way to use ndiswrapper to support both internal (dell 1350) and pcmcia slot (dell 1350) at the same time. I'm trying to configure both cards able to to have two wireless network interfaces up. Any suggestions ? I have ndiswrapper currently installed running the internal wirelless card(dell 1350). |
| 00:06.09 | abrotman | stephon: ask #ndiswrapper |
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| 00:14.32 | magyar | I am looking for a street map software for debian |
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| 00:14.42 | jetscreamer | grass |
| 00:14.46 | jetscreamer | !info grass |
| 00:14.50 | dpkg | grass: (Geographic Resources Analysis Support System), section science, is extra. Version: 6.0.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 6032 kB, Installed size: 14171 kB |
| 00:14.50 | jetscreamer | or is that different |
| 00:15.06 | jetscreamer | i think that's different |
| 00:15.11 | lipe_ipls | I want to compile "c" with gcc, but i don't know how ... Someone can teach me, please ... ? |
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| 00:15.19 | beardy | magyar: apt-cache search gps |
| 00:15.35 | jetscreamer | googlemaps |
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| 00:16.06 | abrotman | magyar: routeplanner ? |
| 00:16.15 | Ronin | mapquest :) |
| 00:16.27 | beardy | lipe_ipls: man gcc, 'gcc foo.c -o foo'? |
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| 00:17.13 | abrotman | roadnav looks nice too .. but it's not packaged afaik |
| 00:17.32 | jetscreamer | routeplanner isn't wht i would think of as for use in a one city env. |
| 00:17.36 | lipe_ipls | beardy, but it says that couldn't find the stdio.h file ... |
| 00:17.46 | beardy | !be |
| 00:17.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, be is Beryllium. Belgium, or the company who made BeOS |
| 00:17.50 | jetscreamer | it's more a cross country thingy |
| 00:17.52 | beardy | !b-e |
| 00:17.52 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 00:19.56 | s0crates | hi, anyone in here ever use nagios in Debian? |
| 00:20.00 | holycow | so dudes, i guess everyones read this: |
| 00:20.01 | holycow | http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/0/5488FB441D1E157FCC2571CA00151652?OpenDocument |
| 00:20.03 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 00:20.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:20.04 | holycow | about frickin time |
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| 00:20.18 | simonrvn | no, i haven't |
| 00:20.38 | s0crates | anyone else used nagios in debian? |
| 00:20.50 | s0crates | not compiling in debian, but from the deb package |
| 00:20.52 | beardy | !ask |
| 00:20.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:21.36 | s0crates | ok, here's my quetsion. Is anyone aware that there are issues with the nagios2 package in the testing and unstable repo of debian? |
| 00:21.41 | magyar | abrotman: thank you |
| 00:22.15 | simonrvn | s0crates: BTS |
| 00:22.16 | beardy | s0crates: You can check the bts and find out, if there isn't any problems with it reported, report them, if you have something to report. |
| 00:22.39 | beardy | !bts |
| 00:22.40 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | magyar: enjoy |
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| 00:23.30 | s0crates | so report to bts.. ok.. i was first just wondering if anyone was aware of a workaround for obvious errors.. let me look in bts |
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| 00:23.56 | pavan | #postfix-br |
| 00:24.03 | abrotman | no? |
| 00:24.10 | beardy | Wrong turn. |
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| 00:27.50 | abrotman | simonrvn: Global Thermonuclear War ? |
| 00:28.35 | stoned | nah |
| 00:28.41 | stoned | probably PONG! |
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| 00:30.02 | epsilon | how - about - a - nice - round - of - chess - ? |
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| 00:31.20 | dn4 | which ways do upper level highs and lower level lows spin? |
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| 00:31.45 | abrotman | pete_: wrong nick! |
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| 00:34.50 | Stevie-O | irc_i2c: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted. |
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| 00:36.31 | pavan | I am receiving messages of postfix/smtpd: disconnect from unknown |
| 00:36.38 | pavan | how can I adjust this? |
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| 00:38.41 | abrotman | Stevie-O: taint! |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | i always see that as noob-sailboat |
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| 00:42.08 | csm | :) |
| 00:42.26 | csm | Hi |
| 00:45.02 | csm | I need help removing something that I installed from source by: ./configure; make; make install, where 'make uninstall' can't find target(s). |
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| 00:45.30 | csm | Am I just stuck with all it's components hidden away everywhere? |
| 00:45.37 | csm | Hi njkt |
| 00:45.44 | njkt | hello |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | no .. you can hunt them down one by one and destroy them |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | next time use stow or checkinstall |
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| 00:46.18 | abrotman | i always see that as noob-sailboat |
| 00:46.28 | csm | hehe |
| 00:46.38 | csm | stow or checkinstall |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | like i'm joking? |
| 00:46.48 | csm | ok I will certainly look into those |
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| 00:47.05 | csm | ... but are you? |
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| 00:47.46 | beardy | abrotman: sailboat? |
| 00:47.56 | abrotman | you know .. a sailboat |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | beardy: can you hold your tongue and say "toy boat" three times fast? |
| 00:48.24 | asg | abrotman: dumbass, it's a schooner |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:50.03 | Stevie-O | work damnit |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | somebody to love ... |
| 00:50.56 | beardy | abrotman: I have some difficulty doing that.. |
| 00:51.09 | MidgetKiller | where can I get Sarge with a newer kernel I need 2.6.12 or higher |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | working ? |
| 00:51.15 | asg | beardy: did you drooble on the keyboard? |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | !tell MidgetKiller about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:51.31 | beardy | No. |
| 00:51.47 | asg | beardy: then you are not doing it properly |
| 00:52.00 | beardy | But over my fingers. |
| 00:52.04 | beardy | asg: Probably not. |
| 00:52.22 | asg | ah |
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| 00:54.02 | csm | hey abrotman |
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| 00:54.16 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:54.18 | csm | Thanks :) |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:57.27 | csm | Mmm well looks like checkinstall will make a dpkg ... so probably synaptic will be aware of the installation if I install with dpkg, right? |
| 00:57.49 | beardy | Yes. Or aptitude. |
| 00:58.26 | beardy | If you with "make a dpkg" mean "make a .deb". |
| 00:58.58 | Stevie-O | anybody here ever made lirc work? |
| 00:59.14 | beardy | Haven't you been here a while? |
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| 00:59.51 | Stevie-O | One could say that. |
| 00:59.52 | itchi | To search in wich package uprecords is; Need i do dpkg -S /usr/bin/uprecords ? |
| 01:00.03 | Stevie-O | itchi: I'd just do dpkg -S uprecords |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | Stevie-O: like five times since you started whining :) |
| 01:00.17 | itchi | Stevie-O: Okay, go for it ;-) |
| 01:00.18 | beardy | itchi: uptimed, IIRC |
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| 01:00.26 | abrotman | Stevie-O: what kernel do you have ? |
| 01:01.07 | itchi | beardy: Ohyea, now you see i remember also it ;-) Thanks :-) |
| 01:01.23 | itchi | s/see/say/ |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | he didn't |
| 01:01.36 | abrotman | he just wants to act cool :) |
| 01:02.27 | csm | Abrotman: I suspect I might be able to reinstall my same installation using all the steps as before but with 'Makeinstall' then maybe i can do an effective removal. Have you ever tried that with any success? |
| 01:02.41 | abrotman | no |
| 01:02.56 | liable | make -n ? |
| 01:03.20 | Stevie-O | abrotman: 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 01:03.21 | beardy | csm: I hope you didn't install that somewhere else than /usr/local? |
| 01:03.24 | Marupa | which media player is the easiest to take line-in and stream it to a specific shoutcast server? |
| 01:03.30 | abrotman | Stevie-O: eh .. what cpu is it ? |
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| 01:03.42 | abrotman | Marupa: you're still looking for that? |
| 01:03.45 | Stevie-O | pIII |
| 01:03.46 | Marupa | yeah |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | Marupa: ask ##linux .. maybe someone there will know |
| 01:03.57 | Marupa | thanks |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | Stevie-O: why not -686 ? |
| 01:04.08 | liable | Marupa: vlc cant do that? |
| 01:04.13 | Stevie-O | dunno |
| 01:04.17 | csm | beardy: Install app1-0.gz or install CheckInstall? |
| 01:04.27 | Marupa | stream to shoutcast? Not that I know of, liable. |
| 01:04.27 | Stevie-O | right now I just want lirc to freaking work |
| 01:04.30 | jetscreamer | i just spent 30 minutes trying to access cvs with a subversion client... :( |
| 01:04.34 | beardy | csm: the thing you ran make install on |
| 01:04.46 | Marupa | from, sure. I've yet to find the ability to stream to. |
| 01:04.50 | abrotman | jetscreamer: sell the kids .. they're affecting your work habits |
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| 01:05.19 | csm | beardy: yeh I did the whole sequence ... ./configure .. make .. make install. |
| 01:05.20 | dvs | !beer jetscreamer |
| 01:05.29 | dvs | jetscreamer: looks like you need some more |
| 01:05.42 | abrotman | Stevie-O: if i build these first try .. i get beer? |
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| 01:06.42 | asg | jetscreamer: alias svn=cvs |
| 01:06.51 | Stevie-O | abrotman: Oh, I built them |
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| 01:06.59 | abrotman | wtf is the problem! |
| 01:07.19 | Z_Morek | I need some assistance that google hasn't helped me on in my infinite noobdom |
| 01:07.39 | beardy | Z_Morek: Ask your question, to the channel. |
| 01:07.42 | abrotman | Stevie-O: you need help |
| 01:08.02 | Z_Morek | I seem to have broken my ethernet while attempting to apt-get install hotplug |
| 01:08.05 | Stevie-O | no package contains a udev rules file for lirc |
| 01:08.06 | Stevie-O | hrm |
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| 01:08.37 | beardy | Z_Morek: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 01:08.37 | Z_Morek | and as I am not entirely familiar with everything, I googled around to no avail |
| 01:08.50 | Z_Morek | a build of etch I downloaded the other day |
| 01:09.01 | Z_Morek | I believe it's 3.1r2 or r3? |
| 01:09.04 | Kinks_ | if grub was overwritten on the mbr how can I reinstall it and get it to boot into win2k (the only other OS on the machine) or debian? |
| 01:09.33 | Kinks | windows ate it alive when I had to reinstall it. |
| 01:09.40 | beardy | Z_Morek: I'd recommend you run sarge if you are not that familiar with Debian, but ok. |
| 01:09.40 | Z_Morek | I know for certain it was built on 8-6-06 |
| 01:09.40 | asg | Kinks: boot with the install disk and run grub-install |
| 01:09.52 | Z_Morek | I'm trying to get a mythtv rig set up |
| 01:10.06 | Kinks | asg: will it automatically detect operating systems or do I need to take other steps? |
| 01:10.10 | Z_Morek | and iirc sarge doesn't run up-to-date enough |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | it doesn't? |
| 01:10.29 | asg | Kinks: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password (those steps will get you to a position where you can run 'grub-install') |
| 01:10.34 | dvs | Z_Morek: but it's extremely stable |
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| 01:10.59 | Kinks | asg: hm, okay, thanks |
| 01:10.59 | Z_Morek | I was under the impression etch was quite stable as well |
| 01:10.59 | Z_Morek | it was sid that wasn't |
| 01:11.09 | asg | Kinks: substitute step 4 with 'grub-install ...' |
| 01:11.13 | dvs | Z_Morek: etch can change at any moment, sid more so |
| 01:11.15 | beardy | Z_Morek: You seem to have discovered that you were wrong. |
| 01:11.21 | Z_Morek | that I have |
| 01:11.46 | jetscreamer | anybody tried this new xmms2 that just came in sid? |
| 01:11.49 | Z_Morek | when I was installing hotplug it gave me this big warning screen about deleting vmlinuz |
| 01:11.56 | asg | jetscreamer: no, I use mpc + mpd |
| 01:12.08 | Z_Morek | so it said to abort unless you wanted to risk breaking the system, so I aborted |
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| 01:12.12 | dvs | xmms united? ;-) |
| 01:12.18 | Z_Morek | and it also told me to reboot |
| 01:12.19 | Z_Morek | I rebooted |
| 01:12.34 | Z_Morek | and now it won't connect to the network |
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| 01:13.06 | Z_Morek | is there a solution outside of starting over with sarge? |
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| 01:13.23 | Z_Morek | I assume there's some configuration that was screwed up |
| 01:13.35 | Z_Morek | or some driver that was misplaced from trying to install hotplug |
| 01:14.02 | beardy | !hotplug |
| 01:14.02 | dpkg | i guess hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 01:14.32 | beardy | Z_Morek: What did you want hotplug for? |
| 01:14.37 | Z_Morek | ivtv |
| 01:14.57 | Z_Morek | the docs on the ivtv wiki mention hotplug |
| 01:15.02 | Z_Morek | googled, tried to install |
| 01:15.09 | Z_Morek | and here I sit broken hearted |
| 01:15.21 | beardy | Z_Morek: Then you _have_ to run sarge, if you _need_ hotplug. |
| 01:15.23 | Z_Morek | debian and network parted |
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| 01:15.59 | Z_Morek | I take it there's no easy solution to my freshly broken rig eh? |
| 01:16.25 | asg | Z_Morek: yes, find out what broke. Fix it. |
| 01:16.27 | dvs | Z_Morek: yeah, sid and etch don't use hotplug |
| 01:16.51 | Z_Morek | thing is, I really don't know enough to find what broke |
| 01:16.54 | Z_Morek | which is why I came here |
| 01:17.16 | beardy | Z_Morek: What asg said basically. Sounds like something more than hotplug were installed, if it messed with vmlinuz.. |
| 01:17.18 | Z_Morek | I have _some_ linux experience, I'm working on it, but the learning curve is quite steep |
| 01:17.22 | asg | Z_Morek: I'd suggest finding out what kernel module is required for your ethernet card and make sure it's loaded |
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| 01:17.57 | gentooxxx | does anyone in here use DSL? |
| 01:18.09 | asg | LSD? |
| 01:18.16 | gentooxxx | nah |
| 01:18.17 | Z_Morek | trippy |
| 01:18.19 | beardy | Z_Morek: How did you install it? Exactly? And, did you update the list of packages before you did that? |
| 01:18.20 | gentooxxx | DAMN SMALL LINUX |
| 01:18.30 | asg | gentooxxx: no, #damnsmalllinux or #dsl |
| 01:18.37 | gentooxxx | it's a deriv of debian |
| 01:18.39 | Z_Morek | I used apt-get |
| 01:18.42 | beardy | gentooxxx: Try #dsl, or #damnsmalllinux |
| 01:18.48 | beardy | !based on debian |
| 01:18.49 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 01:18.49 | asg | gentooxxx: and totally unsupported by #debian |
| 01:18.51 | gentooxxx | no one is there |
| 01:18.57 | asg | !they don't know |
| 01:18.57 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:19.22 | Z_Morek | I still have the ssh open in the other window actually |
| 01:19.24 | gentooxxx | it's a debian question |
| 01:19.30 | beardy | Z_Morek: The exact command? |
| 01:19.33 | Z_Morek | I don't recall whether I had run apt-get update |
| 01:19.39 | gentooxxx | i have to edit my sources.list |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | gentooxxx: you mean a DSL question ? |
| 01:19.48 | beardy | gentooxxx: Use an editor. |
| 01:19.53 | gentooxxx | but i dont know where it is located |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 01:20.04 | beardy | gentooxxx: locate sources.list |
| 01:20.05 | asg | gentooxxx: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | man sources.list |
| 01:20.10 | gentooxxx | i havn't had to do it in about a year or so |
| 01:20.23 | gentooxxx | sorry |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | gentooxxx: find / -name sources.list |
| 01:20.50 | asg | !grounding |
| 01:20.51 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 01:20.54 | Xenguy | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | !newb |
| 01:20.55 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 01:21.21 | asg | bah |
| 01:21.25 | gentooxxx | why do you guys even care? you used to be a !newb |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | but we weren't so lazy |
| 01:21.40 | dvs | gentooxxx: yes, but we were using debian |
| 01:21.43 | Z_Morek | beardy: I copied everything to http://pastebin.ca/131951 if you want to see the output |
| 01:21.51 | asg | gentooxxx: no, it was once expected that research was done before blithly asking questions. |
| 01:22.00 | Xenguy | .oO(I thought lazy was a virtue :P ) |
| 01:22.03 | gentooxxx | i use debian gentoo and dsl |
| 01:22.05 | beardy | gentooxxx: We did care? You got all your answers, even when you are totally offtopic. |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | Xenguy: Wally? |
| 01:22.12 | gentooxxx | i'm in no way lazy |
| 01:22.12 | dvs | gentoo isn't debian |
| 01:22.19 | asg | gentooxxx: http://www.google.com/search?q=where%20is%20sources.list |
| 01:22.19 | gentooxxx | i know that dvs |
| 01:22.20 | Xenguy | abrotman: not sure =) |
| 01:22.21 | pstickne | Xenguy, it is wrt programming lazily. |
| 01:22.37 | beardy | Z_Morek: looking |
| 01:22.41 | Xenguy | pstickne: oh, I was thinking sysadministration |
| 01:22.50 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 01:22.50 | gentooxxx | i've been working on this xbox for over a year now |
| 01:23.03 | gentooxxx | xbox on linux isn't that easy |
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| 01:23.06 | abrotman | Xenguy: no .. that's where lazy is bad |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | gentooxxx: is it runing Debian ? |
| 01:23.19 | Z_Morek | I guess this is because udev is gone now |
| 01:23.21 | gentooxxx | it's running all 3 |
| 01:23.27 | Z_Morek | but I have no idea what that entails |
| 01:23.28 | Xenguy | abrotman: there's lazy and there's Lazy =) |
| 01:23.39 | asg | gentooxxx: it's irrelevant, your question was about sources.list. It could be NetBSD running on a toaster with QEMU running Debian. |
| 01:23.54 | gentooxxx | yeah i know |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | so a person that can get three distros running on stupid hardware .. can't read man pages? |
| 01:24.09 | beardy | Z_Morek: inux-image-2.6.16-2-486 <-- there's the kernel |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | or use find |
| 01:24.13 | annoia | glxgears seems to have lost that nice "report fps" function... Is there a way to reenable it? |
| 01:24.21 | asg | abrotman: or fgi |
| 01:24.25 | annoia | nm |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | annoia: -printfps |
| 01:24.29 | gentooxxx | yeah..pretty much |
| 01:24.36 | annoia | abrotman - Or -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark :) |
| 01:24.40 | beardy | abrotman: ? |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:24.43 | abrotman | annoia: and no .. |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | beardy: see what you pasted to Z_Morek |
| 01:25.02 | gentooxxx | i'm a newb when i comes to some things like the easy stuff but then the real technical stuff i'm real good at |
| 01:25.04 | beardy | abrotman: oh, hehe |
| 01:25.19 | beardy | !noob |
| 01:25.19 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 01:25.46 | Z_Morek | beardy: where do I go from here then? |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | !flw47 is <reply><gentooxxx> i'm a newb when i comes to some things like the easy stuff but then the real technical stuff i'm real good at |
| 01:25.49 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 01:25.52 | Z_Morek | I'm clueless |
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| 01:26.22 | dvs | what does "flw" stand for? |
| 01:26.30 | simonrvn | famous last words |
| 01:26.36 | dvs | oh? heh |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | we haven't added one in a long time |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | !flw46 |
| 01:26.52 | dpkg | flw46 is probably <ohad>...i thought that by upgrading to unstable things might work better |
| 01:26.58 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:27.30 | pstickne | haha |
| 01:27.37 | liable | Z_Morek: remove hotplug, get your system back to a sane state, udev does hotplugs job now anyway |
| 01:28.06 | liable | Z_Morek: re-install all the shit that installing hotplug removed. |
| 01:28.29 | Z_Morek | I have no network connection though |
| 01:28.31 | beardy | liable: hotplug wanted to install udev for him, his problem seems to that initramfs-tools was not going to be installed, the kernel depended on it (why that kernel was going to be installed, I don't know) |
| 01:28.53 | beardy | Z_Morek: uname -a |
| 01:29.03 | liable | beardy: hotplug removed udev, not installed it |
| 01:29.32 | Z_Morek | beardy: what of that output is vital? |
| 01:29.44 | beardy | liable: oh, yes, you're right |
| 01:29.50 | liable | anyone else getting lots of lag here lately |
| 01:29.51 | gentooxxx | i'm going to post my linux journey when i'm done and give thanks to all the channels that helped me along the way |
| 01:29.52 | liable | ? |
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| 01:30.12 | gentooxxx | so sorry if i ask lame questions |
| 01:30.23 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
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| 01:30.25 | asg | abrotman: pub 1024D/1E73B7CD 2001-11-21 |
| 01:30.25 | asg | uid Rob Weir <rweir@ertius.org> |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | asg: ? |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | wtf is that from ? |
| 01:30.43 | beardy | gentooxxx: That's not the point. This is #debian, Debian is what is supprted here, not any of the numerous derivatives. |
| 01:30.48 | asg | abrotman: I was trolling through my gpg keyring |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | weird |
| 01:31.07 | gentooxxx | ok |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | asg: cafuego_ said he heard a rumor that he's okay now |
| 01:31.18 | liable | did he just fall off the planet or what? |
| 01:31.18 | asg | abrotman: he'd asked me to save a copy some time back just in case |
| 01:31.23 | simonrvn | what happened? |
| 01:31.24 | gentooxxx | well i am using debian as well with the xbox next to me |
| 01:31.30 | asg | simonrvn: he found love |
| 01:31.35 | gentooxxx | it's breezy |
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| 01:31.36 | simonrvn | ooh :) |
| 01:31.42 | kingdsand | error |
| 01:31.43 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 01:31.45 | simonrvn | breezy is not debian |
| 01:31.46 | kingdsand | http://pastebin.ca/131959 |
| 01:31.47 | asg | gentooxxx: no, breezy is ubuntu. #ubuntu |
| 01:31.51 | beardy | gentooxxx: That is not Debian, either.. |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | haha |
| 01:31.55 | gentooxxx | wtf |
| 01:32.04 | gentooxxx | i'll have to look |
| 01:32.16 | Xenguy | that too /a |
| 01:32.17 | simonrvn | it isn't, trust us on that... |
| 01:32.23 | Xenguy | er, yehhhh |
| 01:32.28 | asg | abrotman: there is one |
| 01:32.33 | gentooxxx | you have to understand i'm running a lot of distro's i get them mixed up sometimes |
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| 01:32.40 | abrotman | asg: does it use -O2 instead ? |
| 01:32.54 | asg | abrotman: nfc |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | gentooxxx: it's pretty simple to remember .. if it doesn't say Debian .. it's NOT debian |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | asg: that was a joke! |
| 01:33.03 | dvs | ry1: Hi Denis Leary |
| 01:33.05 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:33.10 | ry1 | dvs: ello |
| 01:33.14 | gentooxxx | it says Debian |
| 01:33.23 | gentooxxx | i'm checking the release # |
| 01:33.31 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:33.34 | asg | gentooxxx: for many years, Mandrake said Redhat |
| 01:33.36 | dvs | gentooxxx: what's the release number? |
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| 01:34.00 | simonrvn | if he doesn't answer right away he's looking it up |
| 01:34.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:34.08 | dvs | yup |
| 01:34.08 | gentooxxx | it doesn't say |
| 01:34.10 | beardy | Still, Ubuntu says Debian, in some places.. I wonder if they changed Apaches default page yet.. |
| 01:34.15 | asg | gentooxxx: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:34.17 | gentooxxx | it's a direct port of Debian |
| 01:34.22 | abrotman | NO IT"S NOT |
| 01:34.23 | Z_Morek | liable: will those missing packages most likely be on the first debian cd? |
| 01:34.25 | dvs | gentooxxx: but it' |
| 01:34.28 | dvs | s not debian |
| 01:34.35 | asg | gentooxxx: no, it's a copy of sid, 6 months before, and now completely unsupported by Debian. |
| 01:34.39 | simonrvn | gentooxxx: it's a separate distro. period. |
| 01:34.47 | ry1 | got a question for anyone who can answer. I have a laptop with the hotplug system set up in kernel 2.6. when I pop in my wifi card, it loads the ath_pci module, but it doesn't load the wlan_scan_sta module, is there a way to make this module load along with ath_pci so I don't have to do it manually whenever I want to scan for aps? |
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| 01:35.03 | abrotman | ry1: /etc/modutils/actions |
| 01:35.05 | gentooxxx | it's called Sarge |
| 01:35.08 | liable | Z_Morek: they will be in your apt cache, so you wont need network to install them (unless you cleaned your cache) |
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| 01:35.20 | abrotman | he's trolling now |
| 01:35.20 | simonrvn | that's not a release number |
| 01:35.26 | gentooxxx | i know |
| 01:35.31 | gentooxxx | i cant get the # |
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| 01:35.39 | asg | gentooxxx: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 |
| 01:35.42 | simonrvn | try cat /etc/motd |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:35.43 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 01:35.47 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 01:35.48 | beardy | gentooxxx: 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' what does that say? |
| 01:35.49 | gentooxxx | 1.1.4 |
| 01:35.50 | kingdsand | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.55 | liable | ry1: try running depmod |
| 01:36.12 | asg | gentooxxx: *plonk* |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | gentooxxx: please stop trolling and go away |
| 01:36.29 | simonrvn | made it up.. |
| 01:36.38 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 01:36.51 | ry1 | liable: what was that supposed to do? it loaded for a sec and took me back to the prompt |
| 01:36.52 | Z_Morek | how do I direct apt to reinstall from my cache |
| 01:37.01 | Z_Morek | I'm looking at the manual now and not seeing anything... |
| 01:37.12 | Z_Morek | should I include the cache in my sources.list ? |
| 01:37.14 | asg | Z_Morek: apt-get install foo (it will install from cache if the relevant package exists there) |
| 01:37.16 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:37.20 | sussudio | asg: gentooxxx was trolling on OFTC earlier. |
| 01:37.32 | liable | ry1: it makes a modules.dep file. try unloading ath-pci and reloading it now and see if the wlan_scan_sta modules is loaded |
| 01:37.49 | asg | sussudio: ah |
| 01:37.53 | liable | Z_Morek: just run apt-get install, it will do it automagically |
| 01:37.56 | ry1 | abrotman: by the way, everything works now under etch. for some reason kernel 2.6.17 won't compile when running under 2.6.8... it's all working now in any case including alsa and emacspeak |
| 01:37.57 | simonrvn | sussudio: why am i not surprised |
| 01:37.58 | zood | When I connect to wireless at work with `dhclient eth1` then take my laptop home and do `ifconfig eth1 down; dhclient eth` I cant connect. After rebooting I can connect. What's wrong and how can I fix? |
| 01:38.02 | ry1 | liable: thanks, trying that now |
| 01:38.08 | gentooxxx | how the hell am i trolling? |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | ry1: weird |
| 01:38.43 | asg | zood: was 'dhclient eth' a typo or did you mean 'dhclient eth1' ? |
| 01:38.44 | ry1 | abrotman: very. this time I compiled under 2.4 and it worked like a charm, so now etch is running perfectly though I still haven't bothered with that evil gpg :) |
| 01:38.51 | gentooxxx | man i have never met a bunch of people that are so rude to people that are just trying to learn |
| 01:38.57 | zood | asg: typo |
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| 01:39.04 | beardy | gentooxxx: You have been told, go to the correct channel and ask your questions. |
| 01:39.05 | dvs | yay! |
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| 01:39.10 | Z_Morek | asg: when I run #apt-get -f install it says unable to fetch some archives |
| 01:39.18 | Z_Morek | and I haven't cleaned the cache |
| 01:39.26 | asg | zood: if you do 'ifdown eth1' before you leave work, do you experience the same issue? |
| 01:39.26 | zood | asg: I meant `dhclient eth1` |
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| 01:39.59 | zood | asg: Hmm don't think I've tried that. |
| 01:40.20 | ry1 | liable: am I supposed to run depmod with the ath_pci module as an argument and wlan_scan_sta loaded? |
| 01:40.22 | liable | Z_Morek: just try installing udev, dont run -f |
| 01:40.23 | zood | Does using ifdown require dhcpcd? |
| 01:40.33 | liable | ry1: nope, it didnt work? |
| 01:40.46 | ry1 | liable: nope, but I ran it before popping in the card |
| 01:40.57 | ry1 | zood: check out the laptop-net package |
| 01:41.02 | ry1 | it solved my simular problem |
| 01:41.23 | beardy | abrotman: the flw's are fun, haven't seen them before :) |
| 01:41.24 | asg | zood: no, it's just a helper script that reads interfaces(5). |
| 01:41.31 | Z_Morek | liable: gives me garbage about dependencies |
| 01:41.44 | Z_Morek | and says to try apt-get -f install |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | beardy: they are fun! |
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| 01:41.58 | ry1 | abrotman: to tell you the truth, I wouldn't know what to put into the /etc/modutils/actions file, is there a manpage I can look at? |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | beardy: you sohuld ask asg how to plug them into your fortunes stuff :) |
| 01:41.59 | liable | Z_Morek: bugger, you'll have to get your network up then |
| 01:42.10 | Z_Morek | and I'm clueless as to how |
| 01:42.13 | zood | ry1: tnx laptop-net sounds like it might be what I need |
| 01:42.17 | zood | asg: tnx |
| 01:42.23 | abrotman | ry1: pre-install <module1> modprobe <module2> |
| 01:42.25 | liable | Z_Morek: whats the network card? |
| 01:42.30 | Z_Morek | I guess since it's a relatively fresh install it'll only be a loss of a half hour to just start over... |
| 01:42.35 | Z_Morek | onboard nforce |
| 01:42.38 | ry1 | zood: it might be, try installing, but don't install the laptop-net-conf package |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | ry1: which means .. before modprobing <module1> .. modprobe <module2> first |
| 01:43.08 | ry1 | abrotman: into the file? |
| 01:43.13 | ry1 | oh yeah |
| 01:43.34 | asg | beardy: /msg dpkg qotd fortune (disregard the gimp.shacknet.nu link, it isn't up to date and may not even work at this point.) |
| 01:43.38 | liable | Z_Morek: i dunno what the module name is for that card (forcedeath possibly) you'll have to google, find the module and modprobe it |
| 01:43.56 | Z_Morek | forcedeth sounds familiar |
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| 01:44.09 | zood | ry1: what's the issue with laptop-netconf? |
| 01:44.13 | asg | beardy: yeah, it's fucked. The rest of the factoid should help though |
| 01:44.48 | ry1 | zood: unless you want your /etc/interfaces replaced, I'd stay away from it, plus you probably don't need it |
| 01:45.46 | ry1 | woops, think it killed his network... :) |
| 01:45.49 | roberts | Hi, I'm trying to recompile to 2.6.17.8 so I have built-in support for my 802.11 a/b/g card, a Broadcom BCM4309. The problem is, when I'm in "make xconfig" under the "Wireless LAN" section, the "Broadcom BCM43xx wireless support" option is totally greyed out. |
| 01:46.03 | njkt | hmm... are there any laptops that would run a debian c++ development system decently? I've heard thinkpads are good but i dono muc about laptops |
| 01:46.13 | njkt | s/muc/much |
| 01:46.13 | roberts | I cannot select the option to compile in. This is a problem because this is the reason I'm recompiling in the first place. |
| 01:46.26 | Z_Morek | I think since udev is dead my modules all died |
| 01:46.33 | ry1 | roberts: check if there's a brodcom patch you need to install? |
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| 01:46.39 | Z_Morek | and I'm just throwin gin the towel and starting over |
| 01:46.49 | asg | roberts: make sure you have enabled 'enable experimental options' (near the top of the whole lot) |
| 01:46.50 | Stevie-O | gah |
| 01:47.00 | abrotman | Stevie-O: i'll meet you at marrones! |
| 01:47.01 | roberts | ry1: A patch? You mean onto the extracted source folder? |
| 01:47.17 | liable | ry1: hrm, wlan_scan_sta isnt a dep on my box anyway, i dont know what loads it.. |
| 01:47.18 | asg | abrotman: night |
| 01:47.19 | ry1 | roberts: possibly, though alot of brodcom stuff isn't linux supported |
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| 01:47.31 | abrotman | asg: bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:47.36 | ry1 | liable: I know, it's a wierd module, but it is what is used to scan for aps |
| 01:47.41 | dvs | asg: bon voyage |
| 01:47.41 | ry1 | abrotman: it didn't work |
| 01:47.41 | beardy | night asg |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | ry1: you lie! |
| 01:47.57 | roberts | asg: That sounds like it might work. Where is this option enabled in xconfig? |
| 01:48.06 | liable | ry1: i know, i have it loaded, but i dunno how it got loaded |
| 01:48.06 | ry1 | abrotman: it aint loaded :) |
| 01:48.07 | abrotman | roberts: you may need to enable "broken/incomplete" drivers or somethign like that |
| 01:48.19 | dvs | roberts: or experimental |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | ry1: i've been using it for years! |
| 01:48.25 | JeffT11 | Hi all, question: I'm running stable sarge 2.6 and would like to install ATI drivers. fglrx-drivers are only availabe in unstable, correct? can I still safely install them? |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | ry1: ls -l /etc/modutils/actions |
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| 01:48.49 | roberts | Yes but where? If xconfig or do I have to run menuconfig or some command? |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | it's under uhm .. wait |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | under the Code Maturity section |
| 01:49.19 | elfoozo | I have a couple different gtk+ packages installed on my system for various apps but want to compile gqview from source. It dies in configure saying it needs >=2.4. How exactly does an app determine which gtk it's going to pick up? |
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| 01:49.35 | ry1 | abrotman: what am I supposed to see? |
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| 01:49.41 | abrotman | ry1: permissions! |
| 01:49.52 | ry1 | abrotman: what should they be? |
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| 01:49.57 | abrotman | 644 probably |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | root:root |
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| 01:50.14 | liable | abrotman: is that related to wlan_scan_sta? cause that module aint in my filr |
| 01:50.19 | liable | file |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | liable: eff? |
| 01:50.36 | liable | huh? |
| 01:50.44 | brothers | can i tell apt-get to not start a server that i'm installing? lighttpd or mysql-server-5.0 are examples. i want to install these while chrooted into a debootstrap image, but don't want to start them until i create a xen domU from the image |
| 01:51.00 | ry1 | liable: it's wierd, the instructions say to knock down my interfaces then load that module then bring em back up again, maybe I should reverse the order of the modules in the actions file? |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | liable: ehh? :) |
| 01:51.42 | liable | ry1: no clue, i have madwifi, and it just gets magically loaded somehow, maybe wpasupp is calling it somewhere |
| 01:52.10 | liable | its not in modules.dep |
| 01:52.34 | ry1 | liable: so you can do a "iwlist ath0 scan" without the ""s and it works? |
| 01:52.44 | roberts | abrotman: I found it. "Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers" right? |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | yep |
| 01:52.54 | abrotman | it's just a guess though |
| 01:52.56 | liable | ry1: yes |
| 01:53.07 | simonrvn | brothers: apt-get doesn't do that sort of thing |
| 01:53.08 | roberts | abrotman: Changing it's value from Y to N doesn't let me select the BCM43xx WLAN drivers though |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | roberts: that driver hasn't been in the kernel that long |
| 01:53.18 | ry1 | liable: how wierd... how did you install your madwifi, through source or debs? |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | roberts: and it still requires fwcutter |
| 01:53.20 | roberts | I know, since 2.6.17 |
| 01:53.32 | brothers | simonrvn: i need to learn to use dpkg, then? |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | be a good idea :) |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | roberts: still not .. ask #kernel .. see what they say |
| 01:53.49 | roberts | abrotman: But I have a Broadcom BCM4309 802.11 card, so it's this or ndiswrapper. |
| 01:53.50 | simonrvn | brothers: they don't manage that at all |
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| 01:54.00 | liable | ry1: theres the source in repos now, and install with m-a, but i used to compile it too, and it always 'just worked' |
| 01:54.06 | Unified | hi |
| 01:54.06 | abrotman | roberts: though .. i just grabbed the kernel from sid and put in the macmini .. used fwcutter .. worked fine |
| 01:54.26 | ry1 | liable: also, how do you connect to wpa protected networks, wpasuplicant? and that's wierd, guess I'll make me a bash script that'll do that right after I pop in the card |
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| 01:54.47 | roberts | abrotman: Ahh, what kernel source package is available in sid? I was just going to compile vanilla source from kernel.org |
| 01:54.52 | Unified | can anyone confirm the nvidia ethernet controller works with the latest kernel 2.17.8? I've tried etch, and the kernel supplied failed (or at least can't get a connection) |
| 01:55.08 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.17-686 sid |
| 01:55.18 | abrotman | argh |
| 01:55.21 | ry1 | unified: I believe you have to compile in seperate nvidia drivers |
| 01:55.24 | simonrvn | brothers: man update-rc.d |
| 01:55.38 | liable | ry1: yeah, wpasupp. can do roaming now too, so i can connect to wpa, wep or open without having to do anything (as long as the station is in the conf) |
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| 01:56.21 | ry1 | liable: thanks for the tip, do you use any othernifty command line apps that make your wifi experience easier? |
| 01:56.25 | Unified | ryl well, there are some available on nvidia's website, but my guess would be that they are too old for my chipset (nforce 570, driver from november 2005) |
| 01:57.05 | ry1 | ry1: oh, I'm sure there are drivers for that chipset somewhere... personally I gave up on running linux on my box with a NVIDIA controller |
| 01:57.11 | ry1 | unified * |
| 01:57.13 | liable | ry1: nope mostly just wpa supp, once it set up, it all pretty much automagic. kismet occasionally for shits and giggles |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 sid |
| 01:57.23 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.17-2-686: (Linux 2.6.17 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.17-6 (sid), Packaged size: 15463 kB, Installed size: 46936 kB |
| 01:57.25 | roberts | abrotman: Is there a guide you recommend to get it from sid and recompile the Debian-way? I'm only used to doing it from vanilla kernel.org sources on Slackware (ie no m-a). |
| 01:57.33 | abrotman | roberts: i didn't recompile |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | roberts: i really just used the package .. worked fine fo rme |
| 01:57.49 | abrotman | !tell roberts about kp |
| 01:58.12 | roberts | Ohhh, well goodness, so that means that package in sid has BCM43xx support already compiled in? |
| 01:58.21 | sid | What is this "Irish" language that was added to etch beta 3 installer? Is that similar to English language, like British english..Or are they talking about Gailek ?Or however you spell that old Irish language |
| 01:58.21 | Unified | hrm.... |
| 01:58.27 | ry1 | roberts: I used the kernel.org sources and used make-kpkg afterwords, you don't have to do it from a stock kernel if you want to, I was able to significantly reduce my boot time. |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | roberts: yes .. i said that :) |
| 01:58.28 | Unified | I knew there would be issues... |
| 01:58.35 | liable | ry1: the sarge version of wpasupp doesnt have those features though |
| 01:58.41 | sid | roberts: no it doesn't matter what version of debian you're using. It matters the kernel version. |
| 01:58.47 | ry1 | liable: I'm using etch as of today :) |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | sid: duh ? :) |
| 01:59.29 | roberts | sid: Ah, but it *does* matter what is compiled into the stock sid kernel if I were to not compile it myself. I need drivers for my WLAN card. |
| 02:00.13 | roberts | ry1: Right, by removing all options you don't need and support for devices you don't have then recompiling? |
| 02:00.38 | ry1 | roberts: yepers, and on a small p3 600mhz laptop, I was amazed at how short a time it took to boot when I was done |
| 02:00.47 | brothers | simonrvn: thanks, i gather that setting stopped symlinks will keep the postinst script from starting the service immediately |
| 02:00.59 | brothers | simonrvn: exactly what i needed |
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| 02:01.18 | roberts | ry1: That sounds nice, Pentium M laptop here, but I'm sure it would be a good idea to do that same. |
| 02:01.47 | ry1 | liable: I hope wpasupplicant agrees with only having a wifi card there part of the time |
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| 02:01.55 | roberts | ry1: Okay, so you still used make-kpkg, so I should read the kernel-package documentation? |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | you should |
| 02:02.06 | abrotman | but you can just try the one from sid if you want |
| 02:02.20 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | he *wants* to read documentation? |
| 02:02.31 | ry1 | roberts: awe jees, configure your kernel, then once you're done, do make-kpkg --revision=yourrevision kernel_image |
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| 02:02.55 | roberts | abrotman: Hell yeah! |
| 02:03.02 | ry1 | but, so I don't make abrotman angry for spoonfeeding you, you should read the docs :) |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | !fish |
| 02:03.20 | dpkg | hmm... fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 02:03.29 | liable | ry1: its called from interfaces file now, so it should be fine with it |
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| 02:03.35 | roberts | ry1: I will... and that makes me suspicious that it's that easy, so I wouldn't just try that anyway. |
| 02:03.39 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to boot Debian, keep getting Error 17 |
| 02:03.39 | ry1 | liable: awsome |
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| 02:03.58 | ry1 | roberts: good way to think :) I might be trying to install a rootkit on your system... :) |
| 02:04.11 | roberts | ry1: I would want to know a bit more about how kpkg works before just blindly running that command. |
| 02:04.19 | roberts | ry1: Haha okay I'm not *that* noob. |
| 02:04.30 | ry1 | had to try didn't I? :) |
| 02:04.36 | roberts | heh |
| 02:04.55 | roberts | vi /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz time! |
| 02:06.36 | Led_Zeppelin | this is just wierd |
| 02:06.40 | Led_Zeppelin | my grub config is perfect |
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| 02:07.40 | abrotman | it's broken! |
| 02:07.50 | Z_Morek | yup |
| 02:07.52 | Z_Morek | gotta reinstall |
| 02:08.00 | Z_Morek | reformat |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | !tell roberts about kp mantra |
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| 02:08.27 | abrotman | Z_Morek: i didn't mean you |
| 02:08.34 | Z_Morek | I know :-P |
| 02:08.50 | Z_Morek | I was saying that's the be-all end-all solution |
| 02:09.12 | Z_Morek | or the absurd solution if something's only minorly broken |
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| 02:09.38 | Stevie-O | kp mantra; It'll cure what ails ya, and if nothin' ails ya, it'll cure that too |
| 02:09.46 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, i have checked everything, /boot/menu/grub.lst |
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| 02:10.04 | ry1 | anyone have a way of checking the battery level on this panasonic laptop? :) |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | google "grub error 17 gentoo" |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: that was for you :) |
| 02:10.32 | Z_Morek | reformat? |
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| 02:13.12 | pstickne | Z_Morek, yes, the MS way wins! |
| 02:13.44 | keropok | hello mr president |
| 02:14.24 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, nada bro |
| 02:14.32 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: what? nada?! |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | first damn nit |
| 02:14.37 | abrotman | hit |
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| 02:15.39 | petriborg | hello? |
| 02:16.05 | petriborg | ah! its a scary quite channel for almost 600 people |
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| 02:16.36 | abrotman | scary? |
| 02:16.41 | Z_Morek | well my debian rig is up again |
| 02:16.50 | petriborg | anyone here possibly have any idea what might cause df to return bash: /bin/df: File too large |
| 02:16.56 | Z_Morek | and I'm moving faster now that I have more of an idea of wtf I'm doing |
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| 02:17.19 | abrotman | petriborg: ls -l `which df` |
| 02:18.06 | petriborg | -rwxr-xr-x 1 3969253376 2510225408 11E 2006-05-05 13:15 /bin/df* |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | dude |
| 02:18.15 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:18.25 | abrotman | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 35184 2006-06-26 12:32 /bin/df |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 02:18.33 | petriborg | yeah thats twisted |
| 02:18.39 | abrotman | petriborg: touch /forcefsck .. reboot |
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| 02:18.46 | waiting | 8) |
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| 02:18.58 | petriborg | ok i'll try it... brb |
| 02:19.08 | chino[dev] | how do i install x11 ? |
| 02:19.10 | waiting | /bin/df* is heavy ;D |
| 02:19.16 | abrotman | cause oyu know .. numeric ids .. uh .. that's just wrong |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | chino[dev]: which version of debian ? |
| 02:19.28 | chino[dev] | sarge |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | chino[dev]: do you have a preferred desktop env ? |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | gnome .. kde .. something like that |
| 02:19.57 | chino[dev] | kde |
| 02:20.10 | chino[dev] | but im gonna tunnel rdp sessions with nx anyway |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | chino[dev]: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system-core |
| 02:20.13 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | chino[dev]: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | well .. -core if you want |
| 02:20.27 | chino[dev] | what ? |
| 02:20.29 | chino[dev] | which one... |
| 02:20.35 | waiting | .) |
| 02:20.50 | waiting | all :D |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | chino[dev]: pick! .. they're basically the same |
| 02:21.27 | waiting | install -core if you never run a local X server |
| 02:21.28 | chino[dev] | omg |
| 02:21.32 | chino[dev] | does it really need all those files ? |
| 02:21.40 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:21.40 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:21.46 | chino[dev] | its installing like every dam package |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | waiting: uh .. no? |
| 02:21.57 | waiting | abrotman: not. ok ^^ |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | chino[dev]: so apt-get install kdebase kdm x-window-system-core |
| 02:22.05 | chino[dev] | whatever ill go for it |
| 02:22.07 | waiting | I see they changed that (again) |
| 02:22.24 | chino[dev] | so x-window-system has more ? |
| 02:22.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:22.33 | waiting | one really has to keep on one's toes with debian & X.org ;) |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | again? |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | wtf .. it's sarge .. it's been that way for a long time |
| 02:22.49 | waiting | yes like from what it was last week ^^ |
| 02:22.59 | waiting | whatever |
| 02:23.04 | chino[dev] | how do i update my source list ? |
| 02:23.17 | chino[dev] | apt-get update ? |
| 02:23.31 | sid | If I chose to do the encrypted partition with Debian Etch beta 3, How will that work? Will most of my binaries by encrypted? Or only a data partiation.(ie /home?) |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | sure |
| 02:23.44 | sid | Does this use busybox and such, and prompt me for a password everytime I boot? |
| 02:23.47 | waiting | chino[dev]: do you have access to some introuction text to the administration of a Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 02:23.55 | chino[dev] | ah not really |
| 02:24.00 | waiting | chino[dev]: :) I see |
| 02:24.01 | chino[dev] | i kinda just go with it |
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| 02:24.19 | chino[dev] | i use slapt-get on slack ;] |
| 02:24.22 | waiting | chino[dev]: hmhm. let's hope you don't work in a safetx-relevant area ;D |
| 02:24.47 | chino[dev] | some of thse sources though im watching and its saying "protocol not supported" i figure the list is out of date |
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| 02:25.07 | waiting | chino[dev]: hmmmmm |
| 02:25.21 | abrotman | sailboat! |
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| 02:25.30 | waiting | chino[dev]: why not use ftp.<your-2-letter-country-code>.debian.org OSLT |
| 02:25.39 | chino[dev] | idk |
| 02:25.49 | chino[dev] | should i stop it ? |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:25.50 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 02:26.25 | abrotman | why does MetaPhaze* join three damn times ? |
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| 02:26.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: #knoppix |
| 02:26.57 | JordiGH | abrotman: Eh? I don't have Knoppix questions. :-) |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | better not! |
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| 02:27.25 | JordiGH | Is that a script, or am I very obviously Knoppixed? |
| 02:27.38 | waiting | JordiGH: very obviously |
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| 02:27.59 | waiting | JordiGH: if one cares for such details |
| 02:28.01 | JordiGH | Oh. So I see. Hm, I should change my /whois info. |
| 02:28.04 | waiting | .) |
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| 02:28.07 | abrotman | --> JordiGH (n=knoppix@201.121.223.230) has joined #debian |
| 02:28.07 | waiting | JordiGH: why? |
| 02:28.13 | chino[dev] | Err ftp://debian.secsup.org stable/main xprt-xprintorg 1:0.1.0.alpha1-10 Could not create a socket for 2001:408:1006:2:b00b:b00b:1234:1111 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:408:1006:2:b00b:b00b:1234:1111 21] |
| 02:28.21 | waiting | arg |
| 02:28.24 | waiting | line noise |
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| 02:28.25 | waiting | ^^ |
| 02:28.26 | JordiGH | So that people don't tell me to go to Knoppix the minute I join the channel. :-) |
| 02:28.45 | waiting | JordiGH: there will always be people who tell you what to do :) |
| 02:29.22 | JordiGH | Hmm... where does Xchat store its identity info? |
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| 02:29.38 | waiting | JordiGH: should be explained in the xchat documentation |
| 02:29.45 | abrotman | or #xchat |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | or #knoppix :) |
| 02:29.53 | waiting | ^^ |
| 02:30.01 | chino[dev] | so how do i update my sources |
| 02:30.05 | JordiGH | You two suck, you know that, don't you? :P |
| 02:30.15 | waiting | chino[dev]: that is impossible due to the DMCA |
| 02:30.23 | njkt | JordiGH, might try "xchat-> network list" |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | chino[dev]: with an editor |
| 02:30.24 | waiting | ^^ |
| 02:30.29 | njkt | at least that's where mine is |
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| 02:31.17 | Z_Morek | ok so now that I'm back where I was |
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| 02:31.33 | Z_Morek | the ivtv docs spout on about hotplug |
| 02:31.36 | JordiGH | njkt: Yep, found it. My evil Knoppix intents have been clouded. >:) |
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| 02:31.40 | Z_Morek | how do I go about AVOIDING hotplug |
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| 02:31.50 | Z_Morek | to install my tunercard |
| 02:31.53 | waiting | JordiGH: you spoof a false identity!!!!1 |
| 02:32.00 | waiting | JordiGH: I sue you now |
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| 02:32.19 | chino[dev] | wtf is goine on the update works fine but i get errors during the downloads |
| 02:32.27 | abrotman | chino[dev]: like what? |
| 02:32.31 | JordiGH | waiting: Your mom circulates like a public key/ serving more requests than HTTP / She keeps all ports open like Windows ME |
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| 02:32.36 | chino[dev] | like waht i pasted above |
| 02:32.45 | waiting | JordiGH: ahhhh stfu ^^ |
| 02:32.47 | JordiGH | waiting: If you hack me, you're guilty under DMCA. |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: /whois JordiGH |
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| 02:33.17 | JordiGH | Quit it already! I'm not disconnecting and reconnecting just so my /whois identity changes. |
| 02:33.25 | chino[dev] | how do i add the regular mirrors ? |
| 02:33.33 | chino[dev] | my file allready has secup from a while back |
| 02:33.53 | JordiGH | chino[dev]: You need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list or you can do it from Synaptic if you like graphical interfaces. |
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| 02:34.04 | abrotman | !seen daveman |
| 02:34.05 | dpkg | daveman <n=dave@adsl-71-141-233-25.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 28d 20h 18m 10s ago, saying: 'Hello'. |
| 02:34.05 | chino[dev] | "deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main" hows that ? |
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| 02:34.15 | abrotman | use http:// |
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| 02:34.19 | chino[dev] | porque ? |
| 02:34.33 | waiting | no thanks |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | wtfbbq ? |
| 02:34.57 | JordiGH | chino[dev]: I think ftp is fine. But it would be polite to find another mirror. Are you in .mx? |
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| 02:35.10 | abrotman | http! |
| 02:35.13 | chino[dev] | it seems to be updating fine with the lines i put |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | JordiGH: he's in jersey! |
| 02:35.20 | chino[dev] | mx ? |
| 02:35.21 | chino[dev] | nj... |
| 02:35.23 | Z_Morek | donde esta mi gato? |
| 02:35.29 | JordiGH | Oh, .us |
| 02:35.36 | waiting | eh |
| 02:35.45 | chino[dev] | so estava a brincar a fallar portugues |
| 02:35.47 | JordiGH | Spanish name, Spanish words, hey, it was a good guess. |
| 02:35.59 | waiting | chino[dev]: read the mirrors list, also make sure you have no rampant packet filter between you and the net |
| 02:36.01 | chino[dev] | ah chino was a nick name in highschool im not even spanish |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | be nice if comcast had a mirror |
| 02:36.09 | chino[dev] | my parents are portugues im a pure bread newjersian |
| 02:36.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: What's your issue with ftp? |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | JordiGH: connection refused! |
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| 02:36.27 | abrotman | knoppix user! you can't talk to me! |
| 02:36.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: The main ftp us debian mirror is down? |
| 02:36.48 | Z_Morek | I went to babelfish and looked up how to say "where is my cat" |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: you didn't understand what i said |
| 02:36.59 | Z_Morek | because I don't know how to use udev and I'm procrastinating |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main |
| 02:37.12 | Marupa | grr, the ##linux users are ignoring me entirely. Does anyone know of any applications that do line-in to shoutcast (specific server) |
| 02:37.18 | JordiGH | Oooh... |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | Marupa: still?! |
| 02:37.21 | JordiGH | Yeah, that's wrong. :-) |
| 02:37.30 | Marupa | yeah, not a word from them, abrotman. |
| 02:37.35 | Marupa | they entirely ignored me. |
| 02:37.43 | JordiGH | chino[dev]: You can't use an http protocol to connect to an ftp server. :-) |
| 02:37.52 | abrotman | Marupa: wait a bit .. or ask again in 5-6 hours |
| 02:37.56 | waiting | Marupa: xmms-liveice |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: it takes http!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 02:38.02 | chino[dev] | esta fumando mucho ervar rica ? |
| 02:38.03 | Marupa | I've tried liveice, it freezes. |
| 02:38.09 | waiting | Marupa: that's bad |
| 02:38.21 | Marupa | and, I've waited for quite a while, abrotman. |
| 02:39.08 | chino[dev] | well its a nice cdonly package |
| 02:39.25 | chino[dev] | funny you guys promote open source but shun all derivatives |
| 02:39.26 | chino[dev] | lol |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | chino[dev]: we don't .. we just don't support them here |
| 02:39.39 | tenzing_ | my grub gives an error saying grub error 17... and i could not boot my system... please help |
| 02:39.48 | chino[dev] | of course you wouldn't |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | tenzing_: Led_Zeppelin ? |
| 02:40.00 | JordiGH | Heh, the first Google hit for deleterious is a word of the day. |
| 02:40.04 | JordiGH | !prize me |
| 02:40.13 | Ryengoth | that's why I use lilo.. <G> |
| 02:40.20 | Z_Morek | google is annoying me, I can't find out where to put firmware for udev |
| 02:40.21 | tenzing_ | abortman?? |
| 02:40.28 | Z_Morek | !prize me |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | tenzing_: nothing |
| 02:40.32 | Z_Morek | hells yeah |
| 02:40.43 | cafuego_ | Z_Morek: /lib/firmware |
| 02:40.55 | tenzing_ | :) |
| 02:40.56 | chino[dev] | dam stupid router at work just gave in or something |
| 02:41.00 | liable | tenzing_: can you get into your / and paste your grub menu and fstab? |
| 02:41.12 | Z_Morek | thanks cafuego_ |
| 02:41.28 | JordiGH | tenzing_: Try booting from a rescue Knoppix disc. |
| 02:41.55 | tenzing_ | liable, i cant because its my home computer |
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| 02:42.27 | tenzing_ | JordiGH, can i install grub from knoppix ? i booted from knoppix and my / filessystem is there |
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| 02:42.54 | JordiGH | tenzing_: Yes. Knoppix is teh bomb. |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | !smack JordiGH |
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| 02:43.03 | liable | tenzing_: why cant you paste it from knoppix? |
| 02:43.29 | tenzing_ | liable, i mean that computer is at home... right now am here in my office |
| 02:43.47 | liable | tenzing_: oh, its a bit hard to help then innit :) |
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| 02:43.56 | tenzing_ | liable, yeah :) |
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| 02:44.10 | JordiGH | tenzing_: I'm reading that error 17 is that grub couldn't read the filesystem type. Do you get a grub boot menu? |
| 02:44.54 | tenzing_ | JordiGH, no , i cant get the boot menu listing the various kernels |
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| 02:45.28 | petriborg | ok so, i got fsck to go and do its thing on boot and that seemed to fix a number of problems, lots of non-continuous blocks or something |
| 02:45.43 | JordiGH | tenzing_: Oy, I'm also reading that this error usually happens when you have a corrupted boot sector. Looks like a hardware malfunction. :o |
| 02:45.46 | petriborg | but apparently in the process of fixing things i no longer have a df |
| 02:46.03 | petriborg | is there some way to find out what files it hosed over so i can replace them? |
| 02:46.13 | Ryengoth | JordiGH: or a bad/incomplete MBR write |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | !find bin/df$ sarge |
| 02:46.21 | JordiGH | tenzing_: We could hope that reinstalling grub from Knoppix could work. Also, fsck up your partition. |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | petriborg: sarge? |
| 02:46.33 | petriborg | PS thanks for all the help - i don't quite understand why fsck wouldn't find these errors previously |
| 02:46.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/df' (1): (/bin/df) in base/coreutils. |
| 02:46.44 | abrotman | petriborg: apt-get --reinstall install coreutils |
| 02:46.54 | tenzing_ | JordiGH, how can i install grub from knoppix? |
| 02:47.14 | JordiGH | tenzing_: Er, ask in #knoppix. :P |
| 02:47.17 | petriborg | if i do that will that hose over most of my installation stuff? |
| 02:47.33 | liable | no |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | it damn well shouldn't |
| 02:47.35 | petriborg | say the hardwork i put into getting gnome/x11 to setup for xgl |
| 02:47.39 | tenzing_ | JordiGH, ok ... thanks for the help |
| 02:48.04 | liable | tenzing_: mount your /, run grub-install /dev/foo |
| 02:48.08 | JordiGH | tenzing_: No, seriously, since you can usually treat Knoppix as if it were Debian, it's just like installing grub from Debian. It should find your hard drives and attempt to install to it there. |
| 02:48.20 | petriborg | setting up accelerated desktop was an afternoon of work i don't wish to lose :) |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | it's just a desktop! |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | you just saved yourself from a broken df!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:48.51 | petriborg | yah i agree with that abrotnan |
| 02:48.52 | tenzing_ | JordiGH, liable , ok |
| 02:49.10 | petriborg | and i again thank you cause i hadn't been able to figure out the problem for 3 days :( |
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| 02:49.23 | petriborg | and wheni booted off my CD and ran fsck it didn't report any errors |
| 02:49.30 | petriborg | it just said "clean" go figure |
| 02:49.30 | liable | tenzing_: knoppix mount it ro by default, you need to remount it rw |
| 02:49.36 | Lunar_Raven | Does anyone know of a program that can convert FLV files to AVI or MPG? |
| 02:49.43 | i07 | how do I go about making KDE start on startup? |
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| 02:50.08 | JordiGH | Lunar_Raven: Probably the stuff in the Marillat archives... but why do you want avi? Use ogg theora! |
| 02:50.16 | liable | i07: from startx or from a dm? |
| 02:50.30 | Z_Morek | I'm getting errors on make for ivtv but I can't seem to find docs... |
| 02:51.18 | i07 | dm |
| 02:51.21 | i07 | err I mean |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | GAH .. MORE TWIN PEAKS!!!!!! |
| 02:51.29 | i07 | on start up from debian |
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| 02:51.37 | abrotman | i07: apt-get install kdm |
| 02:51.38 | petriborg | abrotman - i take it by your lack of response that there isn't a way to know exactly what files i hosed over with the corruption |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | petriborg: it could have just been the status for that file |
| 02:52.05 | petriborg | no it was more then that because fsck did a whole bunch of stuff |
| 02:52.11 | Z_Morek | ... ? http://pastebin.ca/132047 |
| 02:52.13 | JordiGH | Right, so I finally remembered why I came here. I was looking for kiosk software. I remember that there was a good option in Debian, something better than OpenKiosk. By the way, how can the... other... client of OpenKiosk do this and not break the GPL?: |
| 02:52.14 | petriborg | reported mutliple errors |
| 02:52.16 | JordiGH | http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/winclient.htm |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | petriborg: you can look in /lost+found/ |
| 02:52.31 | petriborg | excellent |
| 02:52.33 | karsten | JordiGH: KDE kiosk mode? |
| 02:52.47 | petriborg | hm its empty |
| 02:52.53 | abrotman | petriborg: otherwise they should have been successfully fixed |
| 02:52.57 | JordiGH | karsten: I'm, uh... looking for kiosk software that will work with... eep... y'know... |
| 02:53.05 | petriborg | well df is gone from my system entirely |
| 02:53.16 | karsten | petriborg: Not a good sign. What filesystem? |
| 02:53.22 | JordiGH | karsten: The Other... trying to help out an internet cafe admin friend here. |
| 02:53.28 | Ryengoth | Lunar_Raven: http://asuaf.org/~jj/blog/index.php/2006/01/08/convert-google-video-flvs-into-avi-mpg-etcin-linux/ |
| 02:53.29 | karsten | petriborg: I'd recommend booting a rescue disk. Eg: Knoppix. Keep one handy. |
| 02:53.37 | petriborg | ext3 |
| 02:53.45 | karsten | petriborg: sash (stand-alone shell) can get you biy in a tight spot. |
| 02:53.48 | Ryengoth | Lunar_Raven: Google has lots of links now.... <G> |
| 02:53.56 | karsten | JordiGH: SEP. |
| 02:54.05 | JordiGH | !info sep |
| 02:54.12 | stray- | JordiGH, maybe check out kioskcd.com. |
| 02:54.20 | karsten | petriborg: OK. Just checking. Resier, f'rex, doesn't use lost+found. |
| 02:54.48 | petriborg | sure karsten |
| 02:55.01 | karsten | JordiGH: http://sepfield.com/ |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | people use reiser? |
| 02:55.17 | Ryengoth | abortman: I have |
| 02:55.24 | JordiGH | abrotman: Some benchmarking reiserfs comes on top of ext3. :-/ |
| 02:55.37 | karsten | abrotman: After the latest round(s) on LKML, I think we're getting close to "Look, Hans, no mo'". |
| 02:55.37 | abrotman | JordiGH: the ones written by hans reiser :) |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 02:55.40 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is, like, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 02:55.48 | petriborg | i thought about installing reiser but it was more work then i had time to do right then :-) |
| 02:56.21 | Ryengoth | abrotman: the I/O thoughput I got with RAID5 and 10 was pretty nice |
| 02:56.35 | petriborg | at anyrate - do you guys recomend i go and try and do recovery here or should i just reinstall coreutil? |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | Ryengoth: oh i'm sure .. but i'd rather have my data be there than be fast |
| 02:56.45 | JordiGH | So, how can OpenKiosk not be violating the GPL? Its Windows client doesn't link to GPL libraries, but uses the same codebase as the GPLed GNU/Linux version. Huh? |
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| 02:56.54 | abrotman | petriborg: reinstall coretuils! |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | erm .. whtaever |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | argggggggggggggg |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | see .. i can spell that |
| 02:57.11 | petriborg | hah |
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| 02:57.25 | Z_Morek | do I need to install a special package to build drivers? |
| 02:57.26 | petriborg | ok i'll reinstall coreutil, |
| 02:57.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: Emacs-like keybindings have this really useful C-t key... |
| 02:57.31 | Z_Morek | like a kernel development package? |
| 02:57.34 | Z_Morek | i can't find one |
| 02:58.00 | Z_Morek | and I can't make the driver I want to install |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: wtf? |
| 02:58.11 | Ryengoth | abrotman: I've read some horror stories, which is why it's not installed on any of my enterprise servers <G> |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | !b-e Z_Morek |
| 02:58.12 | dpkg | Z_Morek: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 02:58.24 | JordiGH | abrotman: Not an Emacs person, are you? |
| 02:58.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: i think it can .. ask #kde |
| 02:58.26 | Z_Morek | danke |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | eh .. not even close |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | i can work with nvi and be happy |
| 02:58.37 | Z_Morek | um |
| 02:58.41 | Z_Morek | I have it :-\ |
| 02:58.44 | Z_Morek | and it's up to date |
| 02:58.47 | Z_Morek | so something else is wrong |
| 02:58.49 | karsten | JordiGH: What are you ranting about? How should what a program runs on affect its GPL status? |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | Z_Morek: did you install your kernel headers? |
| 02:59.02 | Z_Morek | que? |
| 02:59.06 | petriborg | weeee df is alive again |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | Z_Morek: como talle vous ? |
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| 02:59.31 | bws42 | was that supposed to be french? |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | it was bad |
| 02:59.41 | Z_Morek | nein, ich spreche english |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | i haven't had to write any in .. ... .... ..... i have no idea |
| 03:00.02 | bws42 | comment allez-vous? |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | a decade? |
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| 03:00.10 | JordiGH | karsten: Hmm.... well, the software uses a GUI that isn't GPLed, but the back-end code is GPLed. And it's linked with non-GPLed libraries, if I'm understanding this correctly. |
| 03:00.10 | petriborg | thanks again abrotman |
| 03:00.13 | abrotman | bws42: hey .. come on .. i just explained that! |
| 03:00.20 | bws42 | heh :P |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | bws42: i also had two years of spanish .. they get jumbled :) |
| 03:00.28 | Z_Morek | well everyone in the ivtv-devel channel is away |
| 03:00.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: Your French spelling sucks. :P |
| 03:00.39 | petriborg | JGH - what program are you talking about? |
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| 03:00.52 | abrotman | JordiGH: i can't spell anything .. i sit in here and watch you guys abuse the english language .. |
| 03:00.52 | Z_Morek | 5 years of latin only provides extensive knowledge of english grammar and vocab |
| 03:00.59 | JordiGH | petriborg: http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/winclient.htm |
| 03:01.16 | bws42 | abrotman: my mother's swiss so I grew up learning french |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | Z_Morek: sarge or etch/sid? |
| 03:01.26 | abrotman | bws42: that helps :) |
| 03:01.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: For your information, kind sir, the English language and I are on most excellent terms. Dude. |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | dude .. nice |
| 03:01.51 | Z_Morek | etch |
| 03:01.56 | JordiGH | bws42: You speak Swiss French!! :D |
| 03:01.58 | ry1 | liable: you still around? |
| 03:02.07 | karsten | JordiGH: OK, that's a sane comment, though I've no idea of its truth. |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 03:02.12 | karsten | JordiGH: GPL or LGPL? |
| 03:02.23 | JordiGH | karsten: Says here GPL.... |
| 03:02.32 | petriborg | JGH - would agree with you they are violating the GPL very clearly |
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| 03:02.37 | bws42 | JordiGH: I do, I'm not a fan of French French (as dumb as that sounds) |
| 03:02.45 | Ryengoth | JordiGH: OpenQM has had similar discussions regarding GPL dual licensing |
| 03:02.56 | JordiGH | bws42: Me neither. I prefer Quebec French. ;-) |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | quebecois ? |
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| 03:03.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yes. Like espa?ol, but in French. |
| 03:03.34 | Z_Morek | abrotman: installed, and ivtv still won't make |
| 03:03.35 | karsten | JordiGH: There's a linking exception for OS components. |
| 03:03.45 | ry1 | jordi: ah, ou est-ce vous habitez? :) |
| 03:03.46 | JordiGH | petriborg, karsten: I could be misunderstanding what's going on, but it seems like GPL violation... |
| 03:03.49 | abrotman | my first french teacher was from manitoba or something .. and did the quebecois thing .. next one was from belguim .. the part where they speak french .. |
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| 03:03.54 | bws42 | JordiGH: I can sum my problems with french french in one word: seventy |
| 03:04.06 | petriborg | JGH - from reading that page it sounds very clear to me |
| 03:04.10 | abrotman | that's an english word |
| 03:04.12 | JordiGH | septante! |
| 03:04.13 | ry1 | abrotman: there is quite a differentce between quebec french and the real thing :) |
| 03:04.19 | petriborg | unless they are misrepresenting it somehow |
| 03:04.23 | bws42 | JordiGH: exactly! |
| 03:04.25 | abrotman | ry1: no shit .. and i had never had french before! |
| 03:04.29 | ry1 | lol |
| 03:04.42 | ry1 | I can speak it perfectly but can hardly write for crap |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | ry1: "ok class .. we're going to watch La Femme Nikita now" |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | in french .. |
| 03:04.56 | ry1 | with english subtitles at least? |
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| 03:05.05 | bws42 | english subtitles really suck |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | ry1: uhm .. i don't remember .. |
| 03:05.08 | petriborg | just because they bought the QT bits doesn't mean its ok to not release the source code when its so clearly tied into the rest of it |
| 03:05.12 | Z_Morek | a friend of mine got to watch cowboy bebop in japanese class |
| 03:05.14 | ry1 | abrotman: :) |
| 03:05.17 | abrotman | ry1: but i was so engrossed in the grittiness of the film .. i wouldn't remember |
| 03:05.23 | Guerin | at film schook we had to watch a lot of french film without subtiitles |
| 03:05.26 | petriborg | unless they made an LGPL layer between the UI and the rest of the program |
| 03:05.46 | Guerin | mostly because we has prints from alliance francaise and such, which were made for french audiences |
| 03:05.47 | ry1 | what I really hated were those damn french listening tests where you had to listen to a tape and answer questions |
| 03:06.08 | petriborg | ug i remember that, really hated it |
| 03:06.14 | petriborg | (the tape thing) |
| 03:06.15 | JordiGH | abrotman: This is the most OT I've ever seen you. What's the occasion? |
| 03:06.17 | ry1 | yes, so cheesey... :) |
| 03:06.25 | JordiGH | !debian! |
| 03:06.25 | dpkg | somebody said debian! was the best distribution in the world : 3 kernels, 11 arch, more than 11000 pakages, 5 tastes ... |
| 03:06.26 | Guerin | JordiGH: i blame beer |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: dont' start talking food/beer :) |
| 03:06.35 | Z_Morek | !gift me |
| 03:06.36 | abrotman | no .. no beer tonight |
| 03:06.45 | Guerin | abrotman: for shame! |
| 03:06.48 | JordiGH | !debian, !debian, !debian |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | Guerin: i'm an old man |
| 03:07.02 | bws42 | 40 is not old |
| 03:07.07 | abrotman | i'm not 40 |
| 03:07.10 | Z_Morek | !prize me |
| 03:07.20 | bws42 | well I can't remember at the moment |
| 03:07.25 | karsten | JordiGH: JordiGH: Looks like a possible situation. |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | i'll be 30 soon |
| 03:07.27 | Z_Morek | 40 oz to freedom |
| 03:08.05 | Guerin | my mum got a present from one of her clients which said "50 isn't old if you're a tree" |
| 03:08.05 | ry1 | :) |
| 03:08.05 | finn23 | I'll be 20 next month |
| 03:08.05 | Guerin | for her 50th birthday, naturally |
| 03:08.06 | csm | what monitoring applications are good if I decide to open my firewall for ssh traffic? |
| 03:08.06 | Guerin | csm: syslog |
| 03:08.07 | finn23 | :) |
| 03:08.07 | ry1 | csm: my special rootkit :) |
| 03:08.14 | csm | ok tnks Guerin |
| 03:08.15 | Z_Morek | courtesy of sony |
| 03:08.18 | csm | hehe ry1 |
| 03:08.18 | bws42 | lol since I spent the weekend calling people who were 25 old I guess 30 would make you old |
| 03:08.20 | ry1 | yeah, seriously |
| 03:08.25 | Ryengoth | csm: do you want control from the remote PC? |
| 03:08.30 | pourriture | yeah csm ... what is that ip .... we will test it ;) |
| 03:08.35 | csm | ok I'll give you my ftp address ry1 |
| 03:08.39 | csm | ;p |
| 03:08.48 | ry1 | and your root p/w? |
| 03:08.49 | Guerin | opening up a firewall to ssh isn't insecure in any way |
| 03:08.54 | csm | course |
| 03:08.54 | Guerin | that's the whole point of ssh |
| 03:08.57 | JordiGH | Wtf? Who told me that sepfield.com would have anything to do with kiosk software? |
| 03:09.08 | petriborg | omg my ip is 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:09.09 | chino[dev] | how much space would sarge + kde take up ? |
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| 03:09.13 | csm | lol |
| 03:09.19 | Stevie-O | petriborg: I'm gonna hack you now! |
| 03:09.24 | petriborg | :D |
| 03:09.26 | Guerin | petriborg: joke(pr0n,same as mine) |
| 03:09.27 | Stevie-O | s s h n u k e |
| 03:09.32 | JordiGH | There's no place like 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:09.33 | abrotman | Stevie-O: /server 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:09.34 | ry1 | me too... what? my box is freezing... :) |
| 03:09.37 | csm | Ryengoth: yeh I plan on ssh -X into home from away |
| 03:09.50 | Guerin | sshnuke hasn't worked for *years* on any sane system |
| 03:09.52 | pourriture | hey ... I can ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:09.53 | Ryengoth | csm: openvpn |
| 03:09.56 | pourriture | :) |
| 03:10.15 | csm | ok tnks I'll take a look at it ... :) |
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| 03:10.26 | Guerin | vpn is too much work here |
| 03:10.45 | Guerin | sshx works fine, and isn't insecure as long as you have rational ssh policies |
| 03:11.05 | i3dmaster | anyone uses w3m? |
| 03:11.09 | petriborg | now for TRUE genious, run ssh 127.0.0.1 'rm -rf /' :-) |
| 03:11.11 | Guerin | !anyone use w3m\ |
| 03:11.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses w3m\, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:11.13 | pourriture | openvpn is handy ... I am on 3 networks right now ... all endpoints are ipcop boxes |
| 03:11.16 | JordiGH | sshx? Cool. I was looking for a gui for ssh. Is that what that is? |
| 03:11.18 | JordiGH | !info sshx |
| 03:11.29 | JordiGH | Tease! |
| 03:11.32 | Guerin | JordiGH: no, it's ssh -X |
| 03:11.35 | Stevie-O | run ssh in an xterm? |
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| 03:11.46 | petriborg | heh yeah isn't that just ssh -X |
| 03:11.47 | Guerin | i'm just lazy, but laziness is next to godliness |
| 03:11.51 | JordiGH | Stevie-O: It's for my (l)users. Text scares them. |
| 03:11.55 | ry1 | alright, now I'm confused, just where does wpa-supplicant put it's main conf file anyway? |
| 03:12.17 | abrotman | it's like 10am there! |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | wait .. 2pm ? |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 03:12.35 | doubletwist | list #*alpha* |
| 03:12.35 | csm | I gota log tnks all. |
| 03:12.36 | JordiGH | Stevie-O: Actually, more of a gui for sftp would be nice. Heck, can Konqui do ssh? |
| 03:12.40 | JordiGH | Er, sftp? |
| 03:12.48 | JordiGH | !greet abrotman |
| 03:12.48 | dpkg | Tag, abrotman |
| 03:13.22 | Ryengoth | I thought sftp was predicated... <G> |
| 03:13.38 | bws42 | ry1 it prefers to be used via /etc/networks/interfaces now |
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| 03:13.56 | JordiGH | Can Konqui sftp yermom? |
| 03:14.13 | JordiGH | Apparently not. "sftp is not a registered protocol". :-( |
| 03:14.17 | ry1 | bws: thanks... it has a manpage, right? I have no idea what to put now... :) |
| 03:14.57 | petriborg | the best sftp program i ever used is fugu on osx |
| 03:15.04 | Z_Morek | apparently my linux-headers is missing a scripts folder? |
| 03:15.23 | JordiGH | petriborg: Irrelevant, not free. |
| 03:15.25 | petriborg | C-f is fearch |
| 03:15.53 | petriborg | JGH - true, i was only trying to say its an excellent program user-simple wise |
| 03:16.22 | petriborg | limiting the search space to freedom software is more complex :-) |
| 03:16.24 | JordiGH | petriborg: Oh, if we're allowed to change the rules and cheat, then putty isn't bad either. |
| 03:16.33 | petriborg | heh |
| 03:16.41 | petriborg | na fugu beats putty imho |
| 03:16.51 | stew | JordiGH: how is that changing the rules or cheating? |
| 03:16.51 | petriborg | though i always liked putty as a terminal program in windows |
| 03:17.10 | JordiGH | stew: We must use free software. Vrms says so. |
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| 03:17.29 | petriborg | stew - that would depend on if you think GWB is breaking the law with his wiretaps (please don't kill me!) |
| 03:17.55 | JordiGH | GWB? Never heard of him. Is he affiliated to jwe, rms, or esr? |
| 03:18.01 | petriborg | heheh |
| 03:18.18 | Z_Morek | abrotman- is linux-headers supposed to include scripts for installing modules? |
| 03:18.35 | petriborg | abrotman i think went poof for the night |
| 03:18.38 | Z_Morek | gcc is giving me an error that there's scripts missing and I look for the scripts folder and it doesn't seem to exist |
| 03:18.55 | JordiGH | Gcc? or make? |
| 03:18.56 | Z_Morek | well he told me to get linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:19.05 | Z_Morek | well make |
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| 03:19.14 | Z_Morek | but gcc is in need of the scripts apparently |
| 03:19.40 | Z_Morek | output... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-486/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-4.0: command not found |
| 03:19.45 | Z_Morek | and there's plenty more |
| 03:19.55 | ry1 | wds42: is there some kind of howto or example file I can find to figure out what I am doing with wpasupplicant? |
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| 03:20.20 | bws42 | Z_Morek that looks more like you need gcc-4.0 |
| 03:20.31 | liable | ry1: man wpa_action is quite good |
| 03:20.33 | stew | JordiGH: petriborg: how does that have to do with putty? |
| 03:20.44 | stew | JordiGH: putty is free software |
| 03:20.49 | TraceGreen | Hello, How can i get harddisk usage info from /proc, Just the same result from command df? |
| 03:20.56 | petriborg | stew, it is? i guess i didn't know that |
| 03:21.00 | stew | !info putty |
| 03:21.01 | Z_Morek | it would appear so |
| 03:21.03 | liable | ry1: also there are sample files in the wpasupp doc (/usr/share/doc) |
| 03:21.06 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-5 (sid), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 03:21.07 | Z_Morek | thanks bws42 |
| 03:21.08 | JordiGH | stew: But you can't run it using nothing but free software, can you? |
| 03:21.14 | stew | JordiGH: its in debian |
| 03:21.16 | TraceGreen | or, does df just read some file from /proc and show me harddisk usage? |
| 03:21.16 | ry1 | liable: thanks, by the way, I figured out why my scan wasn't working, it turns out that I had to use a prog like laptop-net or ifplugd to bring up and down my interface |
| 03:21.20 | stew | JordiGH: apt-get install putty |
| 03:21.26 | JordiGH | Rrreally? |
| 03:21.31 | liable | ry1: oh, cool |
| 03:21.41 | JordiGH | stew: Then I'm mistaken. Does it have a gui? |
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| 03:21.46 | JordiGH | !info putty |
| 03:21.52 | Stevie-O | I downloaded the source of a driver that has no debian package. What's a good away to debianify it? |
| 03:21.53 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-5 (sid), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 03:21.59 | JordiGH | for X! |
| 03:22.01 | JordiGH | :D |
| 03:22.01 | stew | JordiGH: it looks exactly the same in debian as it does in windows |
| 03:22.08 | liable | ry1: so once it was brought up, the modules was loaded? not when you used ifconfig/iwconfig/ifup?? |
| 03:22.43 | JordiGH | stew: This is great. Does it also do sftp? I don't know why I didn't think of looking for putty in Debian. It would be like trying to use Notepad, or something. :P |
| 03:23.15 | liable | indeed |
| 03:23.32 | itchi | Setting up the remote controler of my tv card, i fail on the /etc/lirc/lircrc file that i not understand. I think that the remoter are already working now, like when i execute 'irw /dev/lircd' and press some buttons these are been displayed in the console. Just that i fail to configure an acction on each button |
| 03:23.38 | stew | JordiGH: there is an sftp client in putty-tools iirc |
| 03:23.40 | ry1 | liable: this doesn't tell me what to put in my /etc/network/interfaces file with regards to supplicant configuration |
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| 03:24.03 | JordiGH | stew: I'll try it next time I get back on Debian. My (l)users will thank me. |
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| 03:24.37 | petriborg | heh |
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| 03:24.46 | liable | ry1: yes it does, see the usage section of man wpa_action |
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| 03:25.15 | Ryengoth | Stevie-O: I've built a couple of packages, but it's been a while |
| 03:25.26 | JordiGH | petriborg: Actually, all I did was install Debian on the machine I share with my cubicle mates. They were eventually lured to it. This is how evangelisation should proceed: you fish, not hunt. |
| 03:25.37 | knowwho | any info on debian on xbox??? |
| 03:25.47 | petriborg | i have three users, me, myself and I, unfortunately me and myself also know the root password and sometimes the idiots do stupid things. ;-) |
| 03:26.36 | ry1 | liable: ah, I'm starting to understand this stuff... so I basically make a section in my /etc/network/interfaces file and put in all my wpa related config settings? |
| 03:26.44 | karsten | petriborg: change your root password and don't tell yourself it ;-) |
| 03:26.51 | petriborg | heheh |
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| 03:26.56 | ry1 | better yet, let me do it :) |
| 03:27.16 | petriborg | i know, i'll change it to th3l3370n3, they'll never figure it out! |
| 03:27.17 | liable | ry1: no, that goes in wpa_supllicant.conf. then you have the various ssid bit in interfaces |
| 03:27.21 | Ryengoth | Stevie-O: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 03:27.25 | karsten | petriborg: ... that's actually both possible and feasible. You'll have to boot single-user init=/bin/bash to get anything done, thought. |
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| 03:27.35 | JordiGH | Is the universal operating system available for xbox? |
| 03:27.38 | Ryengoth | Stevie-O: LOTs of reading to do |
| 03:27.46 | ry1 | liable: wpa_supplicant goes in just /etc? |
| 03:28.05 | karsten | petriborg: ... mind, it may not be particularly usable. |
| 03:28.06 | JordiGH | Ooh... |
| 03:28.09 | JordiGH | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/xbox-cromwell |
| 03:28.10 | petriborg | karsten, that sounds like pain i don't need :-) |
| 03:28.13 | itchi | Someone an have already setup an remote controler? |
| 03:28.17 | liable | ry1: yeah, or you can put it in the dir in etc, doesnt matter, as long as the path is correct in interfaces file |
| 03:28.26 | JordiGH | !xbox |
| 03:28.26 | dpkg | [xbox] should be renamed to the wintendo, or http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
| 03:28.48 | petriborg | thats such a cool nickname lol |
| 03:29.09 | karsten | petriborg: Of coufse, you should be using sudo, though that doesn't exactly limit your access to root. |
| 03:29.15 | JordiGH | Aw, then penny arcade link is broken? :-( |
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| 03:29.39 | petriborg | yeah i was about to say that jgh |
| 03:29.54 | petriborg | karsten yeah i in fact don't have a "root" user |
| 03:30.26 | JordiGH | petriborg: Man, I feel like I have so much street cred each time you address me by a tla. |
| 03:30.35 | petriborg | haha |
| 03:30.46 | petriborg | would you preffer jordi or something |
| 03:30.52 | petriborg | or laforge (sp) |
| 03:30.57 | JordiGH | GEORDIE! |
| 03:31.01 | JordiGH | That's not me. |
| 03:31.10 | petriborg | yeah, it just sounds the same |
| 03:31.15 | petriborg | hah |
| 03:31.22 | petriborg | see so i should stick to jgh then :-) |
| 03:31.41 | karsten | JGH: FFS! WTF?! GAFL! |
| 03:31.51 | JordiGH | I don't even watch Star Trek. I had to have people explain to me the first time whom my name they reminded them of. |
| 03:31.54 | petriborg | omg wtf bbq mb |
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| 03:32.36 | karsten | petriborg: PONIES! |
| 03:32.42 | petriborg | hah |
| 03:32.47 | chino[dev] | can i install via wireless network with netinstall ? |
| 03:32.51 | petriborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.34 | karsten | petriborg: Indeed. |
| 03:33.43 | liable | chino[dev]: if your wireless card is supported, yes |
| 03:33.45 | karsten | chino[dev]: Possibly. |
| 03:33.45 | ry1 | liable: wpa_action looks to be the same as laptop-net or ifplugd. secondly, is it ran at startup? or do I have to run it manually every time? |
| 03:33.45 | JordiGH | chino[dev]: I don't see why not... |
| 03:33.59 | petriborg | they should have made it the IT perm theme, it would have been an improvement:D D: |
| 03:34.03 | liable | ry1: its run when you bring the iface up |
| 03:34.04 | chino[dev] | well you guys are like the 3 stooges |
| 03:34.58 | petriborg | rofl |
| 03:34.59 | liable | !lose me |
| 03:34.59 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 03:36.08 | JordiGH | !win me |
| 03:36.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, jordigh! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:36.13 | petriborg | hah |
| 03:36.16 | JordiGH | How I love this bot. |
| 03:36.24 | JordiGH | What else can it do? |
| 03:36.40 | JordiGH | dpkg, awesome! |
| 03:36.40 | dpkg | hmm... awesome is me |
| 03:36.46 | JordiGH | Indeed! |
| 03:36.46 | chino[dev] | guys i think my kde slackware desktop is slicker than the binaries from debian :p |
| 03:36.57 | liable | chino[dev]: we dont care :P |
| 03:36.58 | JordiGH | !smite chino[dev] |
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| 03:37.02 | chino[dev] | lol |
| 03:37.13 | JordiGH | !smitesmite chino[dev] |
| 03:37.14 | bws42 | lol that's rough |
| 03:37.20 | chino[dev] | lol |
| 03:37.27 | petriborg | i haven't used kde since the UofM had it on their sun machines... it was... evil |
| 03:37.43 | chino[dev] | oh im just pulling your legs |
| 03:37.46 | bws42 | petriborg what do you use as your WM? |
| 03:37.50 | chino[dev] | actually im serious |
| 03:37.54 | JordiGH | chino[dev]: But does slack moo? |
| 03:37.56 | JordiGH | !moo |
| 03:37.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:38.10 | chino[dev] | omg |
| 03:38.12 | chino[dev] | thats funny |
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| 03:38.15 | lowlevel | heh |
| 03:38.19 | JarJarBinks | double delete killer hello aunt |
| 03:38.23 | lowlevel | .. odd, what exaclty is moo? |
| 03:38.26 | JarJarBinks | sorry just testing mirc in vista |
| 03:38.30 | petriborg | right now i use gnome cause speed is no issue on my box anymore, before that i used either fluxbox or blackbox depending on what i wanted to do at the moment |
| 03:38.36 | chino[dev] | anyone know how i can do a checksum of my cdrom in k3b ? |
| 03:38.37 | JordiGH | lowlevel: The sound a cow makes in English. |
| 03:38.42 | bws42 | gnome.... ewww |
| 03:38.50 | lowlevel | jord; ... so there is no package named moo? |
| 03:38.55 | petriborg | like i said ::shrug:: |
| 03:39.08 | chino[dev] | JordiGH: your a crack head |
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| 03:39.21 | JordiGH | lowlevel: There's an apt-get command named moo, just like there's and apt-get command named install. |
| 03:39.24 | JarJarBinks | chino[dev]: mkisofs and pipe to md5sum |
| 03:39.31 | ry1 | liable: am I correct in assuming that I can configure wpa_action to activate when one of my physical interfaces [ath0] goes up? or am I making a virtual iface? sorry, these manpages aren't the most understandable in the world :) |
| 03:39.33 | petriborg | i have it setup to work accelerated off my 6800 |
| 03:39.37 | bws42 | I use gnome at work because the redhat machine they gave me has it, and I'm not a fan |
| 03:39.38 | JordiGH | lowlevel: And oh, aptitude moo too. |
| 03:39.58 | petriborg | ry1 - sounds like the man pages i wrote at work lol |
| 03:40.05 | ry1 | heh yeah |
| 03:40.18 | ry1 | I just wish they had a decent howto for this |
| 03:40.22 | Z_Morek | AGH! |
| 03:40.28 | Z_Morek | all this and I don't have svn |
| 03:40.30 | lowlevel | oh, its a command. |
| 03:40.31 | lowlevel | sigh. |
| 03:40.33 | ry1 | the one I am looking at is out of date though and I can't understand those manpages |
| 03:40.47 | petriborg | isn't getting svn as easy as just apt-get? |
| 03:41.03 | ry1 | the svn package, yes, apt-get install subversion |
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| 03:41.29 | petriborg | yeah i was going to say... :-) |
| 03:41.58 | petriborg | i installed it months ago for some project i wanted to snake off a server |
| 03:41.59 | chino[dev] | wher can i see the md5 on the web of the netinstall ? |
| 03:42.04 | Z_Morek | why is it everything I do I do just a little wrong |
| 03:42.08 | Z_Morek | and then I'm clueless |
| 03:42.17 | Festyur | hi. im trying to install all the "desktop" packages, coz i couldnt do that on the first boot. but when i type "apt-setup" i get command not found. help plz. |
| 03:42.22 | Z_Morek | when I'm only WEE bit wrong |
| 03:42.30 | petriborg | well maybe its a little wrong because you're clueless (just following your logic, don't shoot!) |
| 03:42.31 | chino[dev] | ok i got it |
| 03:42.38 | chino[dev] | but that mkisofs was not right |
| 03:42.42 | Z_Morek | petriborg, you are exactly right |
| 03:42.54 | karsten | petriborg: UofM == ?? |
| 03:42.56 | itchi | I stil fail to get that remote controler working, i have follow the whole install/setup procedure. I think it's been done right. When i do 'irw /dev/lircd' and then press some buttons of the remote controler, some info are been dispayed in the console. So just left that /etc/lirc/lircrc file to setup, but these i not understand how to configure these. I not understand the docs or do somethings bad. Like it's not working |
| 03:43.02 | petriborg | univ of minnesota |
| 03:43.02 | Z_Morek | logically however my previous statement of "then" is incorrect |
| 03:43.21 | sid | itchi: /join #lirc ? |
| 03:43.23 | karsten | petriborg: Is the rumor true ... |
| 03:43.30 | petriborg | what rumor? |
| 03:43.34 | karsten | petriborg: ... that you're given a walleye on graduation? |
| 03:43.41 | itchi | sid: Ohyea, and channel about that. Thanks gona there ;-) |
| 03:43.45 | petriborg | eh no i wasn't |
| 03:44.05 | Festyur | hi. im trying to install all the "desktop" packages, coz i couldnt do that on the first boot. but when i type "apt-setup" i get command not found. help plz. |
| 03:44.05 | petriborg | though i did go and eat some afterword... rather ironic |
| 03:44.05 | itchi | oeg, 7 peoples there :-/ |
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| 03:44.12 | itchi | Gona see ... |
| 03:44.15 | JordiGH | So what's gasp? |
| 03:44.19 | JordiGH | Is it a command? |
| 03:44.30 | Festyur | hi. im trying to install all the "desktop" packages, coz i couldnt do that on the first boot. but when i type "apt-setup" i get command not found. help plz. |
| 03:44.33 | JordiGH | 'Cause if it's not a command, the sex joke isn't funny. :-/ |
| 03:44.44 | chino[dev] | its a sound |
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| 03:45.02 | petriborg | which sex joke is that jgh |
| 03:45.05 | chino[dev] | "cat /dev/cdrom | md5sum" wont that give me the md5sum ? |
| 03:45.08 | petriborg | the one on bash? |
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| 03:45.08 | JordiGH | !sex |
| 03:45.09 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 03:45.26 | Z_Morek | BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:45.40 | triplc | hello everyone |
| 03:45.47 | petriborg | hi |
| 03:45.55 | sid | !greet triplc |
| 03:45.55 | dpkg | Tag, triplc |
| 03:45.56 | JordiGH | I don't get it. What's gasp? |
| 03:45.58 | triplc | anyone help me about debootstrap |
| 03:46.06 | jetscreamer | !info gasp |
| 03:46.15 | sid | !tell triplc about anyone |
| 03:46.30 | triplc | i follow "http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html", "http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=tips" to install sarge using knoppix+debootstrap |
| 03:46.30 | petriborg | well i don't see any listing |
| 03:46.36 | karsten | JordiGH: A gnu tool of some sort. |
| 03:46.37 | Z_Morek | !prize me |
| 03:46.51 | petriborg | !fish me |
| 03:46.57 | sid | !tell triplc about knoppix |
| 03:46.59 | triplc | things went "fine" (hopefully) but the target system does not boot |
| 03:47.01 | petriborg | no, walleye dpkg! |
| 03:47.03 | JordiGH | karsten: hm, you found it at gnu.org? |
| 03:47.07 | sid | triplc: /join #knoppix |
| 03:47.14 | triplc | It says: |
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| 03:47.26 | karsten | JordiGH: No, I remember looking it up one time. It's a build utility IIRC. |
| 03:47.31 | triplc | pivot_root: no sych file or directory |
| 03:47.40 | JordiGH | karsten: Looks like it doesn't exist anymore. |
| 03:47.51 | triplc | /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console:.... |
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| 03:47.56 | triplc | Kernel panic |
| 03:47.56 | karsten | http://docsrv.sco.com:507/cgi-bin/info2html?(gasp.info.gz)Top&lang=en |
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| 03:48.00 | chino[dev] | you know how you can moutn a iso as a device... well can i mount a device as an iso lol ? |
| 03:48.08 | triplc | anyone please give a guide. |
| 03:48.11 | petriborg | lol the gnu assembler |
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| 03:48.55 | petriborg | karsten only after you paid your 699$ i hope otherwise you're stealing free software! |
| 03:49.07 | karsten | Apparently replaced with m4 as a preprocessor. |
| 03:49.11 | JordiGH | Two minute hate for SCO! |
| 03:49.17 | karsten | Becose, lord knows, m4 is just *so* comprehensive. |
| 03:49.32 | karsten | JordiGH: I think it's time for a few rounds of "Modern SCO Executive" |
| 03:49.45 | petriborg | karsten probably just as comprehensive as the man page building programs |
| 03:49.51 | JordiGH | karsten: How do we play that? |
| 03:50.03 | karsten | JordiGH: You sing it: http://www.thedance.net/~roth/linuxlunacy3/sco.html |
| 03:50.32 | petriborg | mount sco; fsck -y; umount sco; slap |
| 03:50.36 | petriborg | like that |
| 03:50.50 | deadcat | karsten: working tomorrow? |
| 03:50.59 | karsten | deadcat: Whydat? |
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| 03:51.04 | JordiGH | Crap, another song to the tune of Modern Major General. |
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| 03:51.11 | deadcat | karsten: linuxworld |
| 03:51.11 | karsten | deadcat: Linux Expo? |
| 03:51.14 | deadcat | ya |
| 03:51.16 | karsten | Right. |
| 03:51.17 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 03:51.17 | JordiGH | Why is it that almost any lyrics seem to fit that tune? |
| 03:51.21 | BoyofManyNames | hey, does anyone know how to view which process consumes the most amount of memory? |
| 03:51.30 | karsten | JordiGH: Damnit, that was hard work ;-) |
| 03:52.06 | JordiGH | karsten: Did you write it? |
| 03:52.07 | jcreigh | BoyofManyNames: You can run "top", and then press > to move the sort column to memory usage. |
| 03:52.12 | karsten | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 03:52.15 | BoyofManyNames | thanks |
| 03:52.21 | karsten | JordiGH: However, my favorite filk on that theme: http://www.scn.org/~lilandbr/xena.html |
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| 03:52.24 | JordiGH | karsten: Oh, then. Never mind. It rocks. :P |
| 03:52.30 | karsten | JordiGH: Absolute. Class. Act. |
| 03:52.33 | karsten | JordiGH: ;-) |
| 03:52.43 | karsten | JordiGH: Your obsequiousness has been duly noted. |
| 03:52.44 | lowlevel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.12 | JordiGH | http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/computing/cyberpunk.html |
| 03:53.30 | petriborg | now theres a game if i ever saw it, how many ways can #debian find to tell you the highest memory using process :-) |
| 03:53.35 | lowlevel | hahahaha |
| 03:53.38 | lowlevel | I got more |
| 03:53.42 | lowlevel | but I'm stopping now |
| 03:53.42 | Ryengoth | heh |
| 03:53.42 | lowlevel | ;) |
| 03:53.57 | petriborg | oh yeah there are lots, for sure, thats why its funny :-) |
| 03:53.58 | JordiGH | petriborg: There's also some useful awking to be done... one sec. |
| 03:54.27 | lowlevel | oh no, anything but awk! |
| 03:54.30 | BoyofManyNames | jcreihgh, it's not helping is there an alternative? |
| 03:54.56 | petriborg | well you could use nawk ll |
| 03:55.04 | BoyofManyNames | hey, does anyone know how to view which process consumes the most amount of memory? |
| 03:55.34 | JordiGH | http://bash.org/?17335 |
| 03:55.49 | petriborg | BoMN - you can use top and press "o" and you can maybe more easily edit your stuff |
| 03:55.52 | JordiGH | ps aux | grep Proteus | awk '{print $2 }' | xargs kill -9 |
| 03:56.12 | BoyofManyNames | okay ill give it a shot |
| 03:56.13 | JordiGH | But replacing Proteus with whatever you want to kill... oh, wait, we just wanted highest mem usage, not to kill it. Oh well. |
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| 03:57.07 | petriborg | oh oh, but i had to write a slightly different version of that for work like a week ago |
| 03:57.10 | stew | someone needs to learn about pgrep and pkill |
| 03:57.40 | Stevie-O | ps `pgrep foo` |
| 03:57.58 | petriborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.07 | BoyofManyNames | petriborg, it is order the wrong way from least to greatest, is there any way to reverse that |
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| 03:58.37 | petriborg | uh yeah BoMN let me think about it for a second and i should remember |
| 03:58.48 | BoyofManyNames | okay ^_^ |
| 03:59.12 | karsten | In ps output are you more concerned with VSZ or RSS? |
| 03:59.25 | karsten | ps waux being my usual recipie |
| 03:59.33 | petriborg | i needed to kill the sshd shell pid of the command being run off the server... |
| 03:59.47 | karsten | petriborg: pstree is your friend |
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| 04:00.09 | stew | or ps -O%P pid |
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| 04:00.39 | petriborg | BoMN - in top you can press "h" for help, in there you should see everything including "R" and "H" which toggles reversing the listing order |
| 04:00.47 | peterS | karsten: well, VSZ tells you how much memory the process is leaking. VSS tells you how much of that actually matters as it's taking up physical RAM (: |
| 04:01.09 | BoyofManyNames | thanks |
| 04:01.14 | xenie | I just installed my kernel following these instructions : http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ and I receive this error on boot: "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS - unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" |
| 04:01.25 | petriborg | karsten - yeah pstree would have probably worked too |
| 04:01.35 | x|e | anyone know why when i run apt-get update i get this error? Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386 |
| 04:01.55 | x|e | - /Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 04:02.22 | stew | x|e: use a different mirror |
| 04:02.39 | x|e | something wrong with that one?? |
| 04:02.43 | stew | yes |
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| 04:03.49 | x|e | mmk sounds good i guess, thanks stew. |
| 04:04.26 | stew | i wonder why that isn't in the topic anymore if it is still broken |
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| 04:05.05 | JeffH_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.35 | x|e | stew, it was working fine two days ago |
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| 04:05.47 | jcreigh | JeffH_: Which platform are you trying to build a cross compiler for? |
| 04:05.53 | BoyofManyNames | is there any alternate way to find out which process is using the most amount of memory? |
| 04:05.53 | stew | x|e: it wasn't working fine 5 days ago |
| 04:06.01 | BoyofManyNames | top is not giving me any information and i know it's not apache |
| 04:06.05 | JeffH_ | jcreigh: mingw |
| 04:06.14 | x|e | ya i know but two days ago it was |
| 04:06.32 | stew | BoyofManyNames: why do you think that top isn't accurate? |
| 04:06.39 | jcreigh | JeffH_: Okay, great. Debian has pre-packaged MinGW binaries. I couldn't tell you the package names offhand, but they should be easy to find. |
| 04:06.53 | jcreigh | JeffH_: (unless there's some reason you *need* to build it yourself...) |
| 04:06.57 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: Whaddya mean top isn't giving you any information? |
| 04:07.14 | BoyofManyNames | either i don't know how to sort by memory or it's not telling me |
| 04:07.24 | JeffH_ | jcreigh: I need to build it myself.. for one it's an older version.. 2.95 |
| 04:07.24 | BoyofManyNames | all it's sorting by is eithher 0.0 or 0.9 |
| 04:07.39 | BoyofManyNames | something or somethings are using 90% of the memory and it's not apahche or mysql |
| 04:07.58 | karsten | x|e: Prolly in the process of updating. |
| 04:08.07 | Stevie-O | woohoo! lirc works! |
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| 04:08.12 | jcreigh | JeffH_: Ah, too bad. Sorry, don't know what to tell you in that case. |
| 04:08.23 | x|e | ahh i see |
| 04:08.23 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: Are you sure it's not the disk cache? Is your system actually thrashing? |
| 04:08.35 | BoyofManyNames | what do you mean Jordi? |
| 04:08.40 | JeffH_ | I got the 2.95 source from gcc.gnu.org and would have expected that stdlib.h would be part of that package.. but apparently it isn't. |
| 04:08.55 | karsten | Stevie-O: Who knows that evil lircs in the hearts of men? The shadow knows!" |
| 04:08.58 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: Are you concluding that your memory is being eaten up because free reports almost no free memory? Is your system constantly using swap space instead of memory? |
| 04:09.14 | BoyofManyNames | it's nearly depleted, Jordi |
| 04:09.21 | karsten | BoyofManyNames: run vmstat / iostat and watch your swapin/swapout values. Thta's what matters. |
| 04:09.22 | BoyofManyNames | it reports almonst no free |
| 04:10.04 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: That's good. That's normal. It means it's being used for disk caching. Linux is smart about memory usage. If there's free memory, it's to be used for something. Disk caching is a good use for it. If your system is not thrashing, then nothing is using too much memory. |
| 04:10.16 | deadcat | how do i make all the variables in php i declare go global so they can be seen in a function? |
| 04:10.18 | jcreigh | BoyofManyNames: Linux aggressively caches files. The cached data will be thrown out if it's needed for programs. |
| 04:10.20 | BoyofManyNames | swap is only using 50k |
| 04:10.38 | BoyofManyNames | i have 123 mb of free mem |
| 04:10.40 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: That's good too. you don't want to use swap. When you use too much swap, your system is said to thrash. |
| 04:10.58 | BoyofManyNames | that's out of my 2GB ram |
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| 04:11.02 | BoyofManyNames | something's using a lot of the memory |
| 04:11.13 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: Disk caching is using the memory. That's a good thing. |
| 04:11.19 | jcreigh | BoyofManyNames: Paste the output of "free -m" on some paste service. |
| 04:12.02 | BoyofManyNames | http://server1.mapletip.com/info.txt |
| 04:12.11 | JordiGH | .txt... you're using Windows? |
| 04:12.23 | karsten | BoyofManyNames: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/07/memory-swap-management/] |
| 04:12.25 | BoyofManyNames | debian |
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| 04:12.34 | karsten | BoyofManyNames: Trim that final "]", typo. |
| 04:12.35 | BoyofManyNames | im using debian |
| 04:12.39 | petriborg | AAHHH!!!! i just saw a ford tv-ad that was mimicking the matrix - arrrgh my eyes, the goggles! they do nothing |
| 04:12.49 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: Observe that almost all of your memory is being used in the cache. That's good. |
| 04:13.03 | BoyofManyNames | oh, thanks ^^ |
| 04:13.10 | BoyofManyNames | how often doe sthis happen? |
| 04:13.17 | bws42 | all the time |
| 04:13.19 | JordiGH | BoyofManyNames: Hopefully, all the time. |
| 04:13.29 | jcreigh | BoyofManyNames: All the time. That's the way Linux manages memory. |
| 04:13.30 | BoyofManyNames | okay thank you |
| 04:13.31 | Ryengoth | free memory is wasted memory |
| 04:13.40 | Ryengoth | I must be a wasteland... |
| 04:13.45 | BoyofManyNames | ill keep that in mind |
| 04:13.45 | petriborg | hah |
| 04:13.46 | BoyofManyNames | ^^ |
| 04:13.48 | BoyofManyNames | seeya |
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| 04:14.17 | jcreigh | BoyofManyNames: When I first started using Linux, I'd look at the output of "free" wonder why it was reported that way. Then I learned not to care unless it starts thrashing. :) |
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| 04:14.45 | BoyofManyNames | yeah, i had crazy experiences with servers >_> |
| 04:14.50 | xenie | why is my sata drive named 'hde'? |
| 04:14.52 | BoyofManyNames | my webhost charged me 6k for overusage in bandwidth |
| 04:14.52 | Ryengoth | or you get "Out of memory" errors scrolling on the console |
| 04:14.53 | BoyofManyNames | 6k USD |
| 04:15.00 | jcreigh | BoyofManyNames: Ouch! |
| 04:15.13 | jcreigh | BoyofManyNames: How much bandwidth? |
| 04:15.14 | BoyofManyNames | apparently it was an error and it's my SQL server that made this mess |
| 04:15.18 | BoyofManyNames | 19 TB |
| 04:15.33 | bws42 | holy jeesus |
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| 04:16.51 | BoyofManyNames | i think i still have the graphs lol |
| 04:17.32 | xenie | why is my sata drive named 'hde'? |
| 04:17.36 | liable | ry1: it will only call wpasupp when you bring the iface up |
| 04:17.39 | Ryengoth | JordiGH: I had a rogue SQL query take out a box a few weeks ago. For some reason, the kernel couldn't kill the offending process and it ran itself into oblivion.. The kernel had no problem infinately scrolling the screen with Out of memory: killing proces XXXX |
| 04:17.49 | BoyofManyNames | http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5416/month1wh1tu.png |
| 04:17.56 | BoyofManyNames | and that was for half a month :O |
| 04:18.11 | karsten | JordiGH: I've seen it not recover particularly well... |
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| 04:18.27 | Ronsonolz | how do I extract an initrd file |
| 04:18.45 | karsten | JordiGH: Back in 2.2 kernel days, I had a box running w/ about 32 or 48 MB, which I ran a few to many things on. 45 minutes before I gave up on getting a login prompt. |
| 04:18.49 | Ryengoth | *cough* it was RH9 *cough* |
| 04:18.51 | karsten | Ronsonolz: Depends on the initrd. |
| 04:19.05 | Ronsonolz | karsten: just contains a file system |
| 04:19.07 | JordiGH | Ryengoth: Aha. I think I found your problem, mister. :P |
| 04:19.11 | xenie | why is my sata drive named 'hde'? |
| 04:19.12 | karsten | JordiGH: A friend (2.4 days) gave me a Perl recipie for computing Pi to arbitrary precision. |
| 04:19.13 | Ryengoth | <G> |
| 04:19.18 | karsten | Ronsonolz: Mount it. Should be cramfs. |
| 04:19.24 | JordiGH | !info pi |
| 04:19.29 | dpkg | pi: (Compute Archimedes' constant Pi to arbitrary precision), section math, is optional. Version: 1.1.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 04:19.31 | karsten | xenie: Because "george" was taken. |
| 04:20.13 | JordiGH | karsten: Yes, it's true. The thrash might sometime be too bad to be able to get a prompt. :-/ |
| 04:20.19 | karsten | xenie: With a SATA extender card, you tend to get drive assingments starting at e f, etc. abcd are your pimary master/slave for the first two controllers. |
| 04:20.33 | karsten | JordiGH: Power switch. Amazing what problems that can clear. |
| 04:20.36 | JordiGH | karsten: But IF you manage to issue the kill -9 command, and the command works, everything usually gets fixed. |
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| 04:20.46 | karsten | JordiGH: Big iff ;-) |
| 04:21.11 | xenie | karsten, so debian doesn't adopt the sd and hd to differenciate ide and serial? |
| 04:21.12 | JordiGH | karsten: Sometimes I'm lucky enough to be able to kill the process when I zap the x server. |
| 04:21.18 | halcyonCorsair | hi, i've just installed an Intel PRO/1000 MT Dual Port Server NIC into a debian box with kernel 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 04:21.26 | karsten | Ronsonolz: initrds are transitioning to IIRC a gzipped ar archive or cpio archive. Latter IIRC. |
| 04:21.47 | Ryengoth | xenie: depends on the controller and controller driver |
| 04:21.53 | halcyonCorsair | hi, i've just installed an Intel PRO/1000 MT Dual Port Server NIC into a debian box with kernel 2.6.15-1-486, this works, but there are also two onboard NIC's that were working but now aren't, help? |
| 04:22.04 | karsten | xenie: Depends on the iteration of SATA driver, I don't recall which gets you what. I think SCSI emulation is mor erecent, 2.6.15 or thereabouts kernel should get your that. What's your kernel version? |
| 04:22.24 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: lspci and look for ethernet devices. Load appropriate kernel modules. |
| 04:22.29 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: are they Broadcom? |
| 04:22.40 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: What did you do differently from when they did work? |
| 04:22.46 | xenie | karsten, 2.4.27 at the moment as it's failing to update |
| 04:22.50 | halcyonCorsair | the 1000MT Dual card uses 82546GB's, and the onboards are a 82573E and a 82541GI/PI |
| 04:22.52 | karsten | Ryengoth: Don't you mean BroadShit? |
| 04:22.59 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: installed this new card |
| 04:23.05 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: all intel |
| 04:23.08 | Ryengoth | yeah.. I was about to say, I steer clear of those chipsets |
| 04:23.10 | karsten | xenie: You'll get the IDE then, IIRC. |
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| 04:23.40 | xenie | Ah thanks karsten, I can't get my 2.6 kernel to boot |
| 04:23.47 | karsten | Ryengoth: Standard install on a lot of server kit these days, kinda sucks. Bitch at Intel and Dell if you run into them. |
| 04:23.49 | halcyonCorsair | they should all be the e1000 module i think, how can i tell whether its loaded? |
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| 04:24.04 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: intel or broadcom suck? |
| 04:24.08 | xenie | What would cause me to receive : I just installed my kernel following these instructions : http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ and I receive this error on boot: "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS - unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)"? |
| 04:24.11 | Ryengoth | broadcom |
| 04:24.27 | xenie | I've looked over the menu.lst for grub and it appears to be intact. |
| 04:24.59 | halcyonCorsair | ok, i'm damn sure the e1000 module is loaded |
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| 04:25.20 | halcyonCorsair | 0000:02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82546GB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:25.21 | halcyonCorsair | 0000:02:01.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82546GB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:25.21 | halcyonCorsair | 0000:04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 03) |
| 04:25.21 | halcyonCorsair | 0000:05:05.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541GI/PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) |
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| 04:25.32 | halcyonCorsair | oops |
| 04:25.37 | xenie | it's set to 'hde1' should I make this reflect the 2.6 kernel and use sda1? |
| 04:26.05 | merlincorey | general linux; is there a program like cp that is good for large folder copies (like 20gb) so that I can see progress and maybe set it up so it need not copy all of it (as about 15gb of files is already in the target directory) |
| 04:26.09 | merlincorey | ? |
| 04:26.14 | liable | xenie: you prolly forgot to compile in some drivers.. |
| 04:26.32 | karsten | xenie: Yeah, it's a bit of a bitch having your drive letters chan |
| 04:26.35 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: ok, so even though i shouldn't have, did you see the lspci output i pasted? |
| 04:26.40 | karsten | xenie: ... change from under you. |
| 04:26.53 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Yeah. |
| 04:26.57 | karsten | !tell halcyonCorsair about paster |
| 04:27.10 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Looks like four NICs |
| 04:27.10 | xenie | karsten, sorry, could you elaborate please? |
| 04:27.23 | merlincorey | ok |
| 04:27.29 | merlincorey | fine I'll beg |
| 04:27.30 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: i get this "eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" if i try and do an ifconfig eth2 up or eth3 up |
| 04:27.33 | merlincorey | :D |
| 04:27.58 | karsten | xenie: Your drive device specification changes on kernel upgrade, meaning your old fstab entries won't work. You need to manually mount the filesystems (root should just mount) and then modify /etc/fstab, following krenel upgrade. |
| 04:28.03 | liable | merlincorey: rsync? |
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| 04:28.15 | karsten | merlincorey: cp *does* have a '-v' option. |
| 04:28.23 | karsten | merlincorey: Otherwise, rsync, yeah. |
| 04:28.32 | JeffH_ | does anyone know where I can find a gcc 2.95 binary package for cygwin? |
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| 04:28.48 | karsten | JeffH_: http://www.cygwin.com/ or #cygwin |
| 04:29.04 | xenie | Aah thanks karsten, i'll have a play. |
| 04:29.10 | karsten | xenie: NP. |
| 04:29.13 | merlincorey | hmm |
| 04:29.19 | merlincorey | thanks guys :) |
| 04:29.21 | JeffH | karsten: didn't see a 2.95 package. |
| 04:29.27 | merlincorey | will check both as well as cp's -v output |
| 04:29.28 | merlincorey | :) |
| 04:29.31 | karsten | xenie: Sorry about fractured posts, lossy connection here. |
| 04:29.41 | merlincorey | later! |
| 04:29.43 | karsten | JeffH: My point is that this is a Cygwin question, not a Debian one, and it's OT here. |
| 04:29.51 | xenie | No problem, squeezed it out of you in the end :-P |
| 04:29.57 | karsten | xenie: <gasp> |
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| 04:30.40 | xenie | Be back soon, time to see if this did the trick :-) |
| 04:30.47 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: any ideas/ |
| 04:31.04 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Nope. Just Googling... |
| 04:31.22 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Looks like it should all be e1000. |
| 04:31.53 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: yeah, as i thought, so why does it seem to thing the two onboard ones don't exist? |
| 04:33.23 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Note that it appears you've got *four* NICs on the PCI bus by my count. Is that right? |
| 04:34.07 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: yes, 2x on board, 1x DUAL ethernet pci-x |
| 04:34.15 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: so 4 in total |
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| 04:35.21 | JesseT77 | Hola :) |
| 04:35.24 | Xenie | Thanks karsten, it worked, now I have an abundance of boot errors to fix :-) |
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| 04:35.54 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: the kernel shouldn't have any issue with 4 NIC's right? |
| 04:36.31 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 04:36.39 | JesseT77 | Say, where might a body find a deb file for a given apt package, for example libjson-ruby? |
| 04:36.58 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Nope. |
| 04:37.12 | karsten | !tell JeffH about search |
| 04:37.26 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KuW2wH12.html |
| 04:37.43 | karsten | JesseT77: If it's not packaged for Debian itself, you may need to find a third-party archive. Preference in general is to use Debian's own archives where possible. |
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| 04:38.14 | Z_Morek | if I install an nvidia driver using gcc 4.1 when the kernel modules were made with gcc 4.0 will that be an issue (as the nvidia installer says it will be) |
| 04:38.15 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Irrelevant, I think. |
| 04:38.56 | JesseT77 | karsten: it is packaged for Debian, in unstable. I'd like to obtain the deb and install it as opposed to asking apt-get to go get it and contaminate my tree. |
| 04:38.57 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Not positive, but I think dvices witll IRQ share as needed, may not be efficient but it works. |
| 04:39.12 | jetscreamer | what exactly would chmod u+rwx,g+rx,o+rx /directory do? i'm seeing it on the samba howto |
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| 04:39.14 | karsten | JesseT77: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 04:39.21 | karsten | JesseT77: Or see also pinning. |
| 04:39.22 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: so your saying there may be an irq issue, but probably not? |
| 04:39.28 | JesseT77 | == chmod 755 |
| 04:39.37 | jetscreamer | ah user group owner |
| 04:39.49 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Yeah, the fact that there's only two NICs listed there wouldn't bother me _too_ much. |
| 04:40.16 | jetscreamer | u+rwx==7 g+rx=5 and o+rx=5 |
| 04:40.26 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: any krenel output when you load/unload e100 would be of interest though. |
| 04:40.32 | JesseT77 | roger that :) |
| 04:40.41 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 04:40.58 | jetscreamer | the bot had a factoid about pinning |
| 04:41.10 | jetscreamer | when i did it i didn't know \n meant newline |
| 04:41.18 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: so modprobe -r e1000 then reload, and output from dmesg or /var/log/messages? |
| 04:42.04 | JesseT77 | karsten: thanks. :) I actually *started* my search there, I just didn't check the "files" link, thinking that was source files only for some reason. |
| 04:42.07 | karsten | halcyonCorsair: Yeah. |
| 04:42.31 | karsten | JesseT77: Yep, you can get the debs there yourself. Or search archives via an FTP or HTTP browser if you want. |
| 04:42.50 | karsten | JesseT77: ... though thta can be a wee bit hairy, you have to sort out what in pool you actually want. |
| 04:43.12 | JesseT77 | veddy useful. In this case it's a testing package that depends on just one other package which is already in stable, so no risk to my tree to add by hand. :) |
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| 04:45.16 | hypl | hello |
| 04:45.34 | JesseT77 | hypl olleh |
| 04:46.00 | hypl | the volume on my laptop just stoped working and im using debian is there anything i can do to get it back working i have no idea why it doesnt work |
| 04:46.03 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 04:46.06 | halcyonCorsair | oops |
| 04:46.19 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3445 |
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| 04:47.07 | hypl | anyone know what i can do? |
| 04:47.41 | JesseT77 | hypl: I must be the wrong person to help, I've a sound card curse. :) Three computers at my home and my workstation at one of my jobs all have sound simply not working, regardless of the os I boot. At my other place of work, we've over one thousand workstations all with sound administratively killed. |
| 04:47.42 | JesseT77 | I'm a mime ;) |
| 04:47.51 | liable | hypl: you mean you cant change volumne, or you have no sound? |
| 04:47.51 | pstickne | hypl, do you get any sound? |
| 04:47.59 | hypl | no sound |
| 04:48.12 | halcyonCorsair | karsten: shed any light on the subject? |
| 04:48.31 | pstickne | JesseT77, :x |
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| 04:48.53 | liable | hypl: does 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' make noise? |
| 04:49.00 | hypl | ill check |
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| 04:49.33 | JesseT77 | My box says "-su: /dev/dsp: No such device" |
| 04:49.54 | hypl | no but when i do like the back button in the shell |
| 04:49.58 | hypl | it makes the beep sound |
| 04:50.03 | hypl | so it must work |
| 04:50.10 | hypl | but whenever i try anything online |
| 04:50.15 | hypl | or like a video |
| 04:50.50 | liable | hypl: no errors though? just no sound? |
| 04:51.06 | hypl | yeap |
| 04:51.32 | liable | hypl: have you hecked your levels with alsamixer? |
| 04:51.44 | hypl | nope |
| 04:52.00 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: do you see 3 nics in /proc/interrupts now? |
| 04:52.36 | JesseT77 | On my knoppix laptop that /dev/dsp command kind of hangs. Do you have to be root to perform that test? |
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| 04:53.01 | hypl | wait i fixed it thanks though |
| 04:53.45 | JesseT77 | that command hangs when I'm root too. |
| 04:54.21 | JesseT77 | I haven't fixed mime. :) Would appreciate any arbitrary troubleshooting advice though. My ears feel unloved. |
| 04:56.06 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: yes i can.....what was the difference? |
| 04:56.45 | liable | JesseT77: fuser /dev/dsp lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 04:58.19 | JesseT77 | liable: fuser (returned, no output) lsof (returned, no output) cat (still hangs) |
| 04:58.37 | JesseT77 | liable: all tried as standard user though. Need I be root? |
| 04:58.40 | liable | JesseT77: its not hanging, its running te command, its just you cant hear it |
| 04:58.51 | liable | JesseT77: check alsamixer |
| 04:59.05 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: so you can see eth0, eth1, and eth2 now? |
| 04:59.14 | liable | JesseT77: turn up the volume! :P |
| 04:59.41 | peterS | liable: he said it was saying 'no such device'. that's what you get when an appropriate OSS driver isn't loaded |
| 04:59.43 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: yes, and an eth2_temp.... |
| 04:59.57 | JesseT77 | liable: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 05:00.19 | liable | peterS: oh, i missed that! |
| 05:00.34 | JesseT77 | peterS: liable: technically, that was a different box :) |
| 05:00.35 | liable | where did he say that? |
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| 05:01.00 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: was this just from reloading the module? |
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| 05:01.08 | JesseT77 | My first box "pike" said /dev/dsp device not found. My second box "Numenor" just hung, but alsa said device not found. |
| 05:01.13 | liable | oh, i see now\ |
| 05:01.25 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: did you have all of those nics installed and active when you setup Debian? |
| 05:01.27 | liable | JesseT77: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 05:01.48 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: no, only two |
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| 05:01.56 | peterS | that second box needs an accent in its name, Númenor |
| 05:02.38 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: so you had the onboard's disabled? |
| 05:02.57 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: no, the PCI-X card was installed later on |
| 05:03.20 | JesseT77 | liable: modprobe gave no output, alsamixer same error |
| 05:03.30 | peterS | JesseT77: what sound chip have you got? 'lspci | grep audio |
| 05:03.36 | liable | JesseT77: what does te cat command do now? |
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| 05:04.31 | i07 | cat reads text |
| 05:04.40 | peterS | my cats don't |
| 05:04.52 | JesseT77 | peterS: *processing, please hold :)* liable: which command? the cat vmlinuz? |
| 05:04.57 | i07 | NEDM |
| 05:05.06 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: thoughts? |
| 05:05.24 | liable | JesseT77: yes |
| 05:05.27 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: er |
| 05:05.34 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: that's freaky |
| 05:06.01 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: is the PCI-X the dual-port card? |
| 05:06.09 | JesseT77 | liable: still hangs, the mixer still gives the error and won't run: peterS: 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) |
| 05:06.19 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: yes |
| 05:06.31 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3446 |
| 05:06.33 | liable | JesseT77: you have any snd* modules loaded? |
| 05:07.01 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: you had a single-port onboard and a PCI card originally |
| 05:07.02 | JesseT77 | liable I modprobed that thing you mentioned. :) I'll try lsmod (that lists my modules loaded rite?) |
| 05:07.02 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: no, 2 onboard gigabit ethernet ports |
| 05:07.02 | peterS | JesseT77: so do you have the 'snd-maestro3' module loaded? |
| 05:07.17 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: and now, 2 onboard gigabit ethernet ports, and a dual-port pci-x |
| 05:07.17 | liable | JesseT77: yes, see ^^ |
| 05:07.24 | JesseT77 | peterS: I'll modprobe it |
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| 05:09.00 | JesseT77 | peterS: modprobe sez 'Setting up ALSA...done. |
| 05:09.11 | JesseT77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.28 | shay | JesseT77, better try lsmod and see if it's really up |
| 05:10.34 | shay | JesseT77, if not, check dmesg for errors |
| 05:10.56 | JesseT77 | shay/peterS: it is, I'm pastebinning the results of lsmod | grep snd |
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| 05:11.17 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: man, I dunno. |
| 05:11.29 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: yeah....freaky stuff |
| 05:11.33 | JesseT77 | http://pastebin.ca/132225 |
| 05:11.39 | peterS | JesseT77: also try 'cat /proc/asound/cards' to see if your ESS Maestro3/Allegro chip is known |
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| 05:12.16 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: IRQ is assigned to eth2_temp, but the driver didn't assign it a device name |
| 05:12.30 | JesseT77 | peterS: --- no soundcards --- (I wonder how to update that list? hmm..) |
| 05:12.47 | halcyonCorsair | Rydekull: can it be udev rules? |
| 05:13.02 | peterS | JesseT77: well, the 'modprobe snd-maestro3' should have done it. I don't know why it didn't |
| 05:13.16 | peterS | JesseT77: check 'dmesg | tail' to see if the maestro3 driver reported anything strange as it loaded |
| 05:13.17 | shay | JesseT77, seems like snd_maestro3 is not in use actually are you trying to play something? |
| 05:13.20 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: can it be udev rules? how can i assign the device a name? |
| 05:13.33 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: two of the devices are sharing 169 (eth1,eth2) |
| 05:14.11 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: I think.. that driver output is giving me a headache |
| 05:14.15 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: <G> |
| 05:14.34 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: yeah, seems to be |
| 05:14.38 | Ryengoth | eth0 -> 225 |
| 05:14.49 | Ryengoth | eth1 -> 50 |
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| 05:15.04 | JesseT77 | I can't seem to find anything in dmesg that mentions maestro or sound or any of that |
| 05:15.27 | peterS | JesseT77: odd, when you did 'modprobe snd-maestro3' I expected it to say _something_ there at lesat |
| 05:16.11 | Ryengoth | then eth1 and eth2 are assigned as 169 |
| 05:16.37 | peterS | JesseT77: nah, that won't make any difference, running 'dmesg' will be clear enough. but sure, try the module load again, with 'rmmod snd-maestro3' then 'modprobe snd-maestro3' then try dmesg again |
| 05:16.48 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: could be a driver bug |
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| 05:17.08 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: Try disabling the dual-port card and put in 2 PCI cards |
| 05:17.12 | peterS | JesseT77: also, what kernel version are you on? 'uname -r' |
| 05:17.16 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: what if i load the module with options? could that help? |
| 05:18.58 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: I have no clue. You may want to hunt down the driver project and ask about this |
| 05:19.08 | cahoot | peterS: excluded an old oss module interfering already? |
| 05:19.10 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/ |
| 05:19.11 | JesseT77 | peterS: rmmod followed by modprobe made "set up alsa" message show up again at my terminal, but dmesg has nothing to say still. Uname = Linux Knoppix 2.6.11 #2 SMP Thu May 26 20:53:11 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux (I'm trying this on the Knoppix instead of the Debian because pike@Debian gives me the /dev/dsp device not found error) |
| 05:19.19 | peterS | cahoot: it certainly appears he has no OSS modules loaded |
| 05:19.28 | peterS | cahoot: besides which, no OSS modules support his chip anyway |
| 05:19.53 | Ryengoth | halcyonCorsair: If Debian has no problems with the onboard dual and 2 individual PCI cards, then it's probably the driver. |
| 05:20.20 | halcyonCorsair | Ryengoth: yeah, i'll give it a shot |
| 05:20.38 | peterS | JesseT77: well. I just checked, snd-maestro3 from kernel 2.6.11 claims to support that chip just fine |
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| 05:21.29 | JesseT77 | peterS: When alsamixer complains about device not found, what do you think that implies? What device is it trying to find after all? |
| 05:21.38 | peterS | you can verify with: awk '/1988/{print $1}' < /lib/modules/2.6.11*/modules.pcimap |
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| 05:22.01 | JesseT77 | awk haunts my nightmares heh |
| 05:22.08 | peterS | JesseT77: it can't find any physical sound chip. which is odd, as you loaded the module. you say /proc/asound/cards doesn't show any detected sound chips |
| 05:22.47 | peterS | so the awk command I gave you ought to print the module name |
| 05:23.30 | JesseT77 | reconfirmed, /proc... says no soundcards. Awk tells me about snd-maestro3 and about maestro3 |
| 05:23.51 | peterS | and you don't have the 'maestro3' driver loaded, do you? your earlier paste implies that you don't, but let's be sure |
| 05:24.08 | peterS | no don't. |
| 05:24.36 | peterS | well, you can try it, but probably best to remove all those snd* modules |
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| 05:25.14 | JesseT77 | ok I'll rm it, rm the snd's, re-probe it, and then reprobe snd-maestro3. would that be right? |
| 05:25.39 | peterS | no |
| 05:25.46 | JesseT77 | no. lol :) |
| 05:25.51 | peterS | don't try to load both maestro3 and snd-maestro3 at ocne |
| 05:25.53 | peterS | at once, even |
| 05:26.01 | JesseT77 | s/ocne/once |
| 05:26.03 | peterS | they're competing drivers, you only need one or the other |
| 05:26.16 | peterS | JesseT77: unterminated s command |
| 05:26.57 | JesseT77 | peterS: vi likes unterminated s commands. :) |
| 05:27.08 | peterS | sed and perl don't |
| 05:27.27 | peterS | and unlike vi, sed and perl are _useful_ |
| 05:27.43 | JesseT77 | yeah, but perl wants a semicolon in most contexts. hey, I edit my text files in vi :) |
| 05:28.02 | peterS | you don't know perl very well, do you? you can leave out the semicolon a lot of places |
| 05:28.03 | JesseT77 | you edit yours with sed I bet? ;) |
| 05:28.21 | JesseT77 | a lot + most = 100% |
| 05:28.29 | peterS | I edit my files by waving a magnet over a floppy disk in a very exacting manner, then inserting the disk and using 'dd' |
| 05:28.46 | Ryengoth | floppy disk? what's that? |
| 05:28.51 | peterS | kids these days |
| 05:28.52 | Ryengoth | <g> |
| 05:29.08 | peterS | they think computers were invented when Bill Gates released Windows 98 |
| 05:29.14 | JesseT77 | Yeah, why aren't you just waving the magnet over a DVD, like us high capacity types? :) |
| 05:29.17 | shay | peterS, let's start an editor flamewar |
| 05:29.18 | Ryengoth | I used Windows 2.0 |
| 05:29.19 | Ryengoth | <G> |
| 05:29.24 | Ryengoth | ack |
| 05:29.25 | Ryengoth | 3.0 |
| 05:29.30 | peterS | JesseT77: my DVDs are nonmagnetic |
| 05:29.36 | shay | Ryengoth, as if 2.0 sucked less <g> |
| 05:30.08 | peterS | JesseT77: and waving a laser pointer at a DVD-R requires a steady hand. maybe I could've done it back when I was younger. |
| 05:30.09 | Ryengoth | I have an original copy of IBM DOS around here somewhere |
| 05:30.13 | JesseT77 | peterS: you need more powerful magnets, yo! ;) |
| 05:30.16 | Ryengoth | can't remember which version |
| 05:31.15 | Ryengoth | I think IBM made the PS1 and PS2 systems just to increase plastic usage in the world |
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| 05:32.02 | peterS | Ryengoth: have you used a keyboard from one of those? the plastic is just there to keep the SOLID BRUSHED STEEL from hurting people's eyes in office environments. them's manly things. |
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| 05:32.46 | Ryengoth | http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_50z/ |
| 05:32.49 | JesseT77 | got to go! Keep on debianing debianites of debian.. uh.. ness. :) |
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| 05:34.35 | Priest-of-Psi | whoha |
| 05:34.40 | Priest-of-Psi | I got some real issues |
| 05:35.06 | Priest-of-Psi | on mp3's using mpd I get a crackling sound |
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| 05:35.17 | cat | Priest-of-Psi: ?? |
| 05:35.44 | Priest-of-Psi | unless my whole nirvana collection crackels |
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| 05:36.17 | JeffH | anyone know how I can find out what version of binutils gcc 2.95 required? |
| 05:36.17 | cat | Priest-of-Psi: what player are you using? |
| 05:36.23 | Priest-of-Psi | mpd |
| 05:36.33 | cat | try using, xmms or something |
| 05:36.43 | cat | info package |
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| 05:37.02 | Priest-of-Psi | cat: do you mind a pm? |
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| 05:37.14 | cat | nope |
| 05:37.16 | cat | go for it, |
| 05:37.32 | Ryengoth | hmm... I have some 30-pin simms around here. |
| 05:37.45 | kaboodle | does anyone know whether i can do a network install of debian over wireless? (ipw2100) |
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| 05:37.59 | cat | kaboodle: depends on the card |
| 05:38.20 | kaboodle | intel pro/wireless 2100 miniPCI card. |
| 05:38.40 | kaboodle | the one that comes with the Dell Latitude D800 computers |
| 05:38.44 | cat | kaboodle: do you know what chipset it uses it? |
| 05:38.47 | JeffH | good luck getting a wireless card to work with Linux. |
| 05:38.58 | goruka | talking about intel.. any news regarding the recently source released intel graphics card drivers being available for debian? |
| 05:39.04 | cat | JeffH: i have my laptop running wireless card right now, |
| 05:39.25 | kaboodle | Well, Kubuntu did it as well, Linspire, Arch Linux, SuSE Linux.... |
| 05:39.35 | JeffH | that's good. I tried finding a card that was supported by Linux and I couldn't. |
| 05:39.43 | cat | JeffH: it depends, |
| 05:39.54 | cat | try writting some drivers under Linux |
| 05:39.56 | cat | =) |
| 05:40.01 | cat | that's what i did with this one |
| 05:40.09 | kaboodle | my computer uses a centrino chipset. |
| 05:40.17 | kaboodle | (i think that's what it uses) |
| 05:40.27 | kaboodle | it's an intel p-m processor |
| 05:40.32 | cat | kaboodle: the best thing you can go with is, ubuntu, you're box doesn't have ethernet by the way |
| 05:40.44 | JeffH | I'm beyond wanting to hack software just to get hardware to work.. I just want it to work.. Linux just isn't there yet with respect to wireless cards. |
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| 05:41.05 | kaboodle | i don't have access to an ethernet connection, no. |
| 05:41.08 | kaboodle | just wireless. |
| 05:41.09 | cat | JeffH: it depends, you need to seek harder than that, |
| 05:41.15 | cat | kaboodle: damn, |
| 05:41.31 | cat | is really hard for you to get, a wireless card running into a debian installation, |
| 05:41.32 | JeffH | cat: that's the problem.. I don't want to seek harder.. I just want it to work.. |
| 05:41.34 | kaboodle | what wireless card are you using jeff? |
| 05:41.43 | kaboodle | try Ubuntu |
| 05:41.44 | cat | JeffH: you are just lazy |
| 05:41.47 | kaboodle | lol |
| 05:41.58 | cat | yeah ubuntu is easy, |
| 05:41.58 | liable | kaboodle: i would say that the etch installer would support that card (educated guess) |
| 05:42.01 | kaboodle | I had my wireless working under arch linux in 5 minutes |
| 05:42.03 | cat | with stuff |
| 05:42.08 | JeffH | cat: could be.. but why should I want to muck at that level just to get hardware to work? |
| 05:42.18 | liable | kaboodle: hrm, except maybe the firmware |
| 05:42.30 | JeffH | kaboodle: don't have any wireless cards as I can't find one that works with Linux. |
| 05:42.42 | kaboodle | so safest bet is Kubuntu and add repositories to synaptic? |
| 05:42.43 | liable | JeffH: theres lots... |
| 05:43.05 | JeffH | gimme a brand and model and I'll go to best buy and get it tomorrow. |
| 05:43.31 | liable | Bob Marley! |
| 05:43.34 | cat | JeffH: have you try ubuntu live cd and see if it works under ubuntu? |
| 05:43.43 | liable | havent listened to this in ages.. |
| 05:43.51 | cat | liable: bob the best sh|t |
| 05:43.56 | cat | also bob dyland |
| 05:43.57 | kaboodle | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ try that page jeff. |
| 05:44.02 | JeffH | cat: like I said.. I don't have a wireless card right now. |
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| 05:44.07 | cat | oh ic, |
| 05:44.07 | kaboodle | or just use windows. |
| 05:44.09 | liable | cat: ya, nice and relaxing :) |
| 05:44.13 | cat | yeah, |
| 05:44.22 | kaboodle | heh. |
| 05:44.23 | cat | i'll listen to that when i can't go to sleep! |
| 05:44.35 | kaboodle | I listen to Maceo Parker |
| 05:44.46 | cat | damn i can't believed my freaking router doesn't support wireless, |
| 05:44.48 | kaboodle | lol |
| 05:45.22 | cat | that pisses me off |
| 05:45.26 | liable | its normally a giveaway when it doesnt have a stick poking out of it :) |
| 05:45.38 | Ryengoth | heh |
| 05:45.42 | JeffH | kaboodle: that's my current solution.. there's really nothing in Linux I can't live without. |
| 05:45.54 | Ryengoth | well.. there are USB key 802.11 adapters now |
| 05:45.57 | kaboodle | haha. |
| 05:46.14 | sid | There have been for a long time |
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| 05:47.04 | Ryengoth | I'm merely stating that not all wireless devices have visible antennas |
| 05:47.08 | kaboodle | let's see: linux works with centrino cards, orinoco, old wavelan, prism, ralink, broadcom, atmel usb.... |
| 05:47.08 | JeffH | I'm gonna build a Linux based DVR soon.. still trying to decide whether it will be wired or wireless. |
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| 05:47.22 | liable | Ryengoth: thats why i said 'usually' :P |
| 05:47.24 | kaboodle | guess you just didn't look hard enough. |
| 05:47.30 | Ryengoth | and Jaguar radios, if you can find them |
| 05:47.32 | liable | or 'normally' rater |
| 05:47.36 | liable | rather.. |
| 05:47.50 | Ryengoth | [point taken] |
| 05:48.27 | cat | back to reading |
| 05:48.45 | kaboodle | right now i'm running linspire, but the one major problem i have with it is that i have to pay to get access to the software. |
| 05:48.47 | JeffH | anyone compiled gcc before? |
| 05:48.48 | kaboodle | :/ |
| 05:49.22 | kaboodle | well, and the support... i suppose i could install synaptic or something similar and just use the apt-repos instead. |
| 05:49.23 | JeffH | its telling me it can't find stdlib.h and that header wasn't included in the source. |
| 05:50.15 | pstickne | JeffH, you need core, uhm, glibc headers. |
| 05:50.23 | halcyonCorsair | where do i put a script i want to automatically load on boot? |
| 05:50.33 | pstickne | halcyonCorsair, during which phase? |
| 05:50.34 | liable | !services |
| 05:50.34 | dpkg | [services] to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 05:50.42 | liable | meh |
| 05:50.42 | streuner_ | !rc.local |
| 05:50.42 | dpkg | [rc.local] the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 05:50.57 | liable | thats the one i wanted |
| 05:51.03 | halcyonCorsair | pstickne: i want it to load for normal operation, its for the NIC's, so maybe runlevels 3, 4, 5? |
| 05:51.17 | pstickne | halcyonCorsair, see liable's links |
| 05:51.19 | JeffH | pstickne: any idea what version of glibc is needed for gcc 2.95? |
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| 05:52.09 | pstickne | JeffH, you need the headers, you already have glibc (or your system would be a toaster) |
| 05:53.07 | halcyonCorsair | pstickne: file-rc? |
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| 05:53.35 | JeffH | pstickne: I understand.. but I still need to know the appropriate veersion |
| 05:53.48 | pstickne | halcyonCorsair? |
| 05:54.03 | halcyonCorsair | pstickne: " If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc." ? |
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| 05:55.25 | stew | JeffH: for which version of debian? |
| 05:56.01 | pstickne | halcyonCorsair, ignore that part, use deb's sysv skeleton |
| 05:56.12 | JeffH | stable |
| 05:56.24 | stew | !depends gcc-2.95 stable |
| 05:56.27 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), cpp-2.95 (>= 1:2.95.4), cpp-2.95 (<< 1:2.95.5), binutils (>= 2.11.90.0.1-1) |
| 05:56.32 | liable | what is that file-rc talking about? cant say i have ever heard of it |
| 05:56.43 | stew | JeffH: >= 2.3.2.ds1-4 |
| 05:56.44 | pstickne | liable, from your last ! |
| 05:56.44 | JeffH | thanks stew |
| 05:57.10 | liable | oh, its a package |
| 05:57.36 | liable | hrm, sounds funky! |
| 05:58.08 | Ryengoth | l8rz |
| 05:58.29 | liable | halcyonCorsair: just make a simple script, doing what you want, stick it in init.d and man update-rc.d |
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| 06:04.14 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:04.15 | dpkg | <nevyn_> lazybone: DIE <lazybone> nevyn_: What is DIE? |
| 06:05.09 | halcyonCorsair | liable: cheers |
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| 06:05.20 | streuner_ | well, it seems s(he) need another nick :-) |
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| 06:08.00 | liable | i need some lcd cleaning stuff, this one is filthy, years of filth! |
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| 06:10.54 | karsten | liable: windex and a towel. |
| 06:11.16 | karsten | liable: The "special coating" line is AFACT 110% bullsh*t. |
| 06:11.18 | liable | karsten: windex on an lcd? is that safe to use, sounds a bit scary |
| 06:11.22 | liable | oh :) |
| 06:11.34 | karsten | liable: If you're concerned, spray the towel, not the screen. |
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| 06:11.50 | karsten | liable: lint-free dish towel is my usual preference. |
| 06:12.00 | liable | karsten: same effect, not worried about it getting wet, worried about a reaction |
| 06:12.13 | karsten | liable: I'll make exceptions for things like optical instruments, but my specs and screens get ye olde windex treatment. |
| 06:12.19 | karsten | liable: Laptop screen? |
| 06:12.36 | liable | karsten: ya, i usually just wipe it with a cloth, but its gotten built up grime over time :) |
| 06:12.38 | liable | karsten: yep |
| 06:12.55 | karsten | liable: No fears then. |
| 06:13.00 | liable | sweet |
| 06:13.05 | roxy_ | does changing the attribute of the file change the access time ? |
| 06:13.32 | liable | now i just need some windex.. |
| 06:13.54 | karsten | liable: vinegar also works if you've got it. Or Trader Joe's Zen cleaner |
| 06:14.08 | liable | no vinegar either.. :( |
| 06:14.35 | Dewi | liable: use water |
| 06:14.37 | liable | not much of anything in my flat except beer |
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| 06:15.02 | streuner_ | liable: i hope german :-) |
| 06:15.04 | Dewi | liable: water won't react |
| 06:15.12 | liable | Dewi: doesnt get the shit off, this laptop has been fairly well abused over the years |
| 06:15.13 | enouf | liable: warm water mixed with liguid dishwashing detergent (mild - or hand soap) |
| 06:15.30 | enouf | liquid* |
| 06:15.33 | Dewi | warm helps a lot |
| 06:15.38 | liable | streuner_: cheap aussie beer :( |
| 06:15.47 | liable | i am a cheap bastard! |
| 06:15.50 | streuner_ | because german beer is brewed by the german law (clean without chemical adds) so you can use it without fear of 'reaction' ;-) |
| 06:15.50 | Dewi | liable: aussie beer is the finest cheap beer |
| 06:15.59 | liable | well, when it comes to beer.. |
| 06:16.04 | Dewi | liable: which aussie beer? |
| 06:16.10 | liable | i drink too much to get expensive beer |
| 06:16.19 | liable | Dewi: sit down.. VB |
| 06:16.19 | karsten | liable: Higher-proof alcohol is a decent solvent. |
| 06:16.23 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:16.27 | Dewi | liable: okay, the aussie beer no aussie drinks |
| 06:16.29 | Guerin | aussie beer, fine? |
| 06:16.34 | Guerin | you must be american! |
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| 06:16.35 | liable | karsten: i dont drink spririts |
| 06:16.45 | liable | what great timing.. |
| 06:16.52 | karsten | liable: I didn't say spirits. Isopropyl also works. |
| 06:16.56 | karsten | liable: ? |
| 06:16.59 | Dewi | Guerin: there are lots of great australian beers. Not that beer is really my thing. |
| 06:17.10 | liable | Guerin would have to come along whilst I am talking about my beer tastes.. :P |
| 06:17.11 | Dewi | Guerin: it sure isn't VB though. |
| 06:17.29 | liable | karsten: i dont have any of that either |
| 06:17.50 | Dewi | liable: surely you can get some XXXX bitter |
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| 06:17.57 | roxy_ | anyone using tripwire with apt-get update/upgrade ? should I run tripwire after each upgrade or is there an easier way ? |
| 06:18.01 | liable | thats even worse than VB |
| 06:18.04 | Dewi | liable: the most common good beer |
| 06:18.33 | Guerin | Dewi: new zealanders are honour-bound to dis australian beer |
| 06:18.43 | liable | heh |
| 06:18.52 | Dewi | Guerin: what about tasmanian? |
| 06:18.55 | liable | one of many things you are bound to dis :) |
| 06:19.09 | Dewi | Guerin: you have a special affinity with the tasmanians right? Little islands, forgotten, around the south coast? |
| 06:19.09 | Guerin | Dewi: still australia |
| 06:19.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:19.17 | enouf | roxy_ : to speak to your other question - I think location matters, such as '/home/username/Desktop' in the larger GUI DEs (kde, gnome). |
| 06:19.23 | liable | tassie makes some damn good beer |
| 06:19.28 | Dewi | yeah. |
| 06:19.31 | Dewi | I prefer it. |
| 06:19.41 | Dewi | but the best is James Squire's |
| 06:19.47 | Dewi | you can't get it anywhere though |
| 06:20.00 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:20.02 | liable | heh |
| 06:20.08 | Guerin | we get james squires here and it's shit |
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| 06:20.18 | Guerin | coopers/cascade |
| 06:20.31 | liable | coppers is over rated home brew imo |
| 06:20.36 | liable | coopers.. |
| 06:20.40 | roxy_ | enouf: I meant attribute as chattr + i |
| 06:20.48 | liable | although the pale isnt bad |
| 06:20.52 | Dewi | cascade is alright... but half the time you end up with Light |
| 06:20.56 | Dewi | and that makes me very angry |
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| 06:21.09 | Guerin | light ain't right |
| 06:21.28 | enouf | roxy_ : I would imagine also FM/WM attributes/settings such as retreival of the files's or Dir's Meta-data (for Preview, and/or Icon) |
| 06:21.31 | liable | yah, boags is okie |
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| 06:21.45 | Guerin | can you guys get monteiths there? |
| 06:21.47 | enouf | roxy_ : oh -- +i for immutable -- hrmm ..don;'t know |
| 06:22.12 | roxy_ | enouf: I am fine tuning tripwire to work with my +i policy :-) |
| 06:22.14 | liable | cant say i seen it, i was actually looking in the imports section yesterday |
| 06:23.32 | Tallu | Hooray for wildcard dns. Changed dns provider and here we go. :) |
| 06:24.07 | enouf | roxy_ : again, haven't used it - but don't see why a +i would create longer access times, other vartiables may come into play as i mentioned, and likely some I haven't even thought of :-) |
| 06:24.11 | Dewi | Guerin: never heard of it |
| 06:24.19 | enouf | variables* |
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| 06:27.27 | liable | time for some JL Hooker |
| 06:28.03 | streuner_ | wth is |
| 06:28.11 | streuner_ | wth is 'JL Hooker |
| 06:28.26 | liable | streuner_: music John Lee Hooker |
| 06:28.44 | streuner_ | Boom Boom? ;-) |
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| 06:28.51 | liable | yup :) |
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| 06:34.10 | Ronsonolz | I mounted a cramfs image (initrd) but all the binaries in it are small and I cant execute them. Are these files compressed? |
| 06:35.21 | streuner_ | !cramfs |
| 06:35.21 | dpkg | methinks cramfs is a compressed RAM file system. It is loaded along with other file systems at boot. The kernel tries every registered partition driver to read the superblock of the initrd image. The cramfs driver disobeys the 'silent' flag passed to it (a bug) and grizzles that the superblock doesn't have the magic numbers expected of a cramfs superblock. |
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| 06:36.06 | Ronsonolz | Ok, after I mount it, how do I decompress the files |
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| 06:37.01 | liable | initrds are gzipped |
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| 06:37.53 | Ronsonolz | Mines not gzipped, I mounted it and I want to change a few of the files, but they are still compressed I believe |
| 06:38.09 | deadcat | is it a good idea to leave my camera (canon s230) bat charger overnight? |
| 06:38.27 | tjs | I have a list of packages that are already installed with apt, but they are no longer in the cache, I just want to download all of the packages in my list |
| 06:38.37 | tjs | I've tried apt-get install -d package |
| 06:38.39 | liable | deadcat: if you are home, at least you'll smell it when it catches fire :) |
| 06:38.49 | tjs | it says package is already at newest version |
| 06:39.01 | liable | !reinstall |
| 06:39.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 06:39.08 | deadcat | liable: i will be sleeping.. i am saying that if it goes from red to green, its safe to leave it overnight right? |
| 06:39.42 | liable | deadcat: yeah, as long as the charger is working properly, and doesnt keep charging it |
| 06:40.19 | tjs | I dont want to reinstall |
| 06:40.22 | deadcat | liable: i think green means its not chargin.. cool. because i dont know if i have enough juice and i am gonna use the camera alot tomorrow |
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| 06:40.28 | tjs | I just want to fetch the packages |
| 06:40.38 | Priest-of-Psi | y0h! mpd is broken in etch! |
| 06:40.40 | Priest-of-Psi | heheh |
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| 06:42.39 | Priest-of-Psi | atleast the start stop works now |
| 06:42.40 | Priest-of-Psi | :D |
| 06:42.52 | enouf | deadcat: think of green as fully charged and 'trickle' charge, once charged |
| 06:43.40 | Priest-of-Psi | its stuck on a song but not movin it |
| 06:43.41 | Priest-of-Psi | heh |
| 06:43.48 | tjs | I'm not sure at all what action the -d option in apt is to |
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| 06:43.53 | tjs | the man page is unclear |
| 06:44.07 | tjs | or the --print-uris options |
| 06:44.21 | murrayfoss | which version is the stable version? |
| 06:44.25 | tjs | what if I just want to --print-uris for an already installed package? |
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| 06:46.39 | deadcat | enouf: whats trickle charge? |
| 06:46.42 | foo | Should I be able to plug in a usb hard drive in a usb enclosure and format it? Or do I need to take the IDE drive out and stick it in a computer and format it? Any ideas? |
| 06:47.11 | SpeedyG | should be posibble to format it over usb |
| 06:47.23 | murrayfoss | 3.1 r2 stable version? |
| 06:47.28 | foo | SpeedyG: I plugged it in and don't see anything in the logs about it ... not too sure .. hmm. |
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| 06:48.01 | streuner_ | Ronsonolz: "cpio" |
| 06:48.15 | foo | Is anyone 100% sure this is possible?> |
| 06:48.21 | enouf | tjs : 'dpkg -l | grep ^i' doesn't spit out your installed pkgs? |
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| 06:49.24 | liable | foo: so dmesg shows nothing about it being plugged in? |
| 06:50.01 | streuner_ | Ronsonolz: the fileformat is cpio, so you just decompress it then |
| 06:50.09 | foo | liable: Correct. The last thing I see was the USB mouse plugged in. I doubt this new hub I am using would cause any interference.. .hmm. |
| 06:50.21 | Priest-of-Psi | heh |
| 06:50.35 | liable | foo: if dmesg shows nothing, then the kernel doesnt know it exists |
| 06:50.35 | enouf | deadcat: google for 'trickle charge camera batteries' |
| 06:50.42 | Priest-of-Psi | anyone else exprience problems with mpd on etch? I have a sortoff solution atm |
| 06:50.45 | foo | liable: ok, so it can't be done, I'm assuming. |
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| 06:51.03 | liable | foo: no, i am saying it sounds like something is broken |
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| 06:53.38 | foo | liable: any ways to troubleshoot this |
| 06:54.03 | foo | liable: hm, so normally this would work? Any other ideas? Hmm. |
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| 06:54.19 | liable | foo: cant think of anything other than to make sure its plugged in properly |
| 06:54.48 | foo | liable: yeah, it is. Just removed the hub. As I expected, that didn't help |
| 06:54.48 | foo | hm |
| 06:54.58 | liable | foo: formatting any usb device is the same as an ordinary drive, but you need the drive to be recognised by the kernel.. |
| 06:55.24 | foo | liable: right, it's getting it recognized by the kernel that seems like the issue |
| 06:55.28 | liable | foo: sounds daft, but no swithces or shit on it? |
| 06:55.39 | foo | liable: there is a power switch.. it's on :) |
| 06:55.39 | foo | hehe |
| 06:56.17 | foo | bleh, this doesn't seem to be working. lame. Looks like I am going to need to open a box and format this sucker. |
| 06:57.06 | liable | foo: does the drive spin up? |
| 06:57.16 | foo | liable: yup. All brand new stuff. |
| 06:57.21 | liable | hrm |
| 06:57.21 | foo | I have another drive the exact same here |
| 06:57.50 | foo | Holy crap. |
| 06:57.51 | foo | This one works. |
| 06:57.53 | foo | Hmm, not good. |
| 06:57.58 | liable | ah |
| 06:58.22 | foo | ahh, can I format this baby as fat32? |
| 06:58.27 | foo | I think that's the typical usb filesystel. |
| 06:58.29 | liable | sure |
| 06:58.31 | foo | It's going to be used on windows |
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| 06:58.37 | foo | hmm, mkfs.fat32 doesn't seem to exist. |
| 06:58.50 | liable | man dosutils iirc |
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| 06:59.15 | foo | hm, I don't think just setitng the type in cfdisk is good enough |
| 06:59.16 | enouf | mkfs.vfat |
| 06:59.41 | liable | thats set the type, doesnt make the fs |
| 06:59.45 | liable | foo: ^^ |
| 06:59.55 | foo | Gotcha |
| 07:00.37 | foo | I don't need to set this partition bootable on a usb drive do I/ |
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| 07:01.19 | liable | you dont really need to do it at all anymore, i think thats a thing for old bioses |
| 07:01.37 | liable | or old OS's i should say |
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| 07:02.09 | badblody | [OT] anyone compiled monodevelop ? |
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| 07:02.34 | foo | hbGotcha. |
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| 07:02.55 | tenzing_ | ways |
| 07:03.06 | tenzing_ | opps |
| 07:03.24 | LinuxHelp | HI, um er where would I go for help on tvtime? |
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| 07:07.02 | liable | LinuxHelp: whats wrong with it, dunno if there is a #tvtime |
| 07:07.18 | enouf | liable: so would 'mkdosfs -F Fat32' work then? it's what the man page for mkfs.vfat implies (even though it says non-bootable) - and FWIW - apt-cache search dosfs* |
| 07:07.18 | enouf | dosfstools - Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT filesystems |
| 07:07.39 | tijn | morning |
| 07:07.47 | Tallu | morning |
| 07:07.52 | enouf | foo ^^^ |
| 07:07.58 | Tallu | bar |
| 07:08.07 | liable | enouf: i guess, i have done it, but the memory is foggy and i cant be assed looking it up.. |
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| 07:10.15 | enouf | liable: hehe, I haven't had any need to use/make any dosfs (vfat/Fat16/32) ever since moving to gnu/linux - and I hardly ever use usb drives.. |
| 07:10.27 | LinuxHelp | <liable>, there is a #tvtime but its pretty empty, anyway my visual is perfect (even better than windows :D), but I unfortunately done have any sound coming out of the darn tv card |
| 07:10.50 | liable | LinuxHelp: ah, what chipset? |
| 07:11.05 | liable | LinuxHelp: i had similar problems with a saa7134 card |
| 07:12.52 | liable | LinuxHelp: and the only way around it was a shitty hack or use mplayer.. |
| 07:13.37 | peterS | enouf: no, -F32 |
| 07:14.02 | LinuxHelp | My computer doesnt have a sound card.. so its only the tv card thats involved (sound works on win32), chipset is ... |
| 07:14.03 | LinuxHelp | Lifeview something, let me just find it in dmesg quick |
| 07:14.03 | LinuxHelp | saa7130[0]: subsystem: 5168:0138, board: LifeView FlyVIDEO2000 [card=3,autodetected] input: saa7134 IR (LifeView FlyVIDEO20 as /class/input/input2 |
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| 07:14.17 | liable | LinuxHelp: please tell xchat not to use the <> around nicks also |
| 07:14.23 | liable | LinuxHelp: and dont paste! |
| 07:14.37 | enouf | peterS ; ahh ..I see that now - yes, thanks |
| 07:15.10 | LinuxHelp | Yeah this konversation is konfusing.. |
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| 07:15.25 | peterS | not that I create a lot of fat partitions either.. |
| 07:15.28 | liable | LinuxHelp: ah, same chipset! |
| 07:15.35 | liable | LinuxHelp: sec i'll give you a link |
| 07:15.45 | badblody | anyone compiled monodevelop ? |
| 07:16.00 | Priest-of-Psi | !tell badblody about anyone |
| 07:16.19 | liable | LinuxHelp: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa see the section at the bottom |
| 07:16.58 | Priest-of-Psi | is there debian wiki with how tos etc..? |
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| 07:17.11 | badblody | i have problems compiling monodevelop can anyone say me any idea about ./Async.cs(105,73): error CS0246: The type or namespace name `AsyncWriteCallback' could not be found. Are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference? this error ? |
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| 07:19.03 | LinuxHelp | liable, problem is, is that on windos I didnt do it like that, theres literally and external audio cable that comes out of the tv card, and then into sound card line-in or speakers |
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| 07:20.57 | liable | LinuxHelp: wait, so you dont get sound out of the output jacks? |
| 07:21.08 | LinuxHelp | liable, none at all |
| 07:21.15 | Priest-of-Psi | LinuxHelp: what does alsaconf say? |
| 07:21.16 | LinuxHelp | liable, which is strange |
| 07:21.37 | Priest-of-Psi | you must enable line in |
| 07:21.50 | liable | LinuxHelp: read that link i gave you and try all the things they mantion. |
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| 07:21.57 | liable | mention.. |
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| 07:22.18 | LinuxHelp | no, alsa and pcm etc work fine, the problem is that "there is no sound coming out of the tv card" directly to the speakers, but there is on windows\ |
| 07:22.23 | liable | LinuxHelp: you do have a >2.6.15 kernel? |
| 07:22.36 | LinuxHelp | liable, debs testing |
| 07:22.46 | LinuxHelp | so yeah |
| 07:22.48 | liable | ok, cool, you need the alsa module for it then |
| 07:23.04 | LinuxHelp | liable, alsa works fine, I can play audio, and line in etc |
| 07:23.05 | Priest-of-Psi | ok I need to fix mpd |
| 07:23.42 | liable | LinuxHelp: yeah, just work through that page. i spent a whole frantic night trying to get sound out of mine whilst the world cup was on! |
| 07:24.03 | LinuxHelp | liable, so do you also have the external audio cable thing? |
| 07:24.15 | liable | LinuxHelp: no, mines a pcmcia card |
| 07:24.38 | jnoon | a bit new to debian... trying to figure out if im on the right track.... i want to keep my dist to sarge, but will need some newer stuff... when i need something newer is the best way to apt-get source x apt-get build-dep x cd x debuild -us -uc, and then install the generated debs? |
| 07:25.07 | LinuxHelp | liable, the wiki you gave me, is for internal audio, I dont think my card exposes the audio system to the operating system |
| 07:25.14 | liable | jnoon: yep, also see backports.org |
| 07:25.32 | liable | LinuxHelp: but i bet the card shows as an audio card? |
| 07:25.49 | liable | LinuxHelp: do the arecord -l thing |
| 07:26.26 | LinuxHelp | liable, how can I check whether the card shows as an audio card? |
| 07:26.51 | omry | if I want to use raid1 (mirror) on the root partition, must I have raid1 compiled into the kernel? |
| 07:26.52 | liable | ^^ |
| 07:27.10 | liable | omry: if you dont have initrd, yes |
| 07:27.28 | liable | omry: i use a debian kernel with / on md0, and its fine |
| 07:27.49 | yeager | omry: no, you can run the kernel module |
| 07:27.49 | omry | liable: even if the /boot itself is also on md0? |
| 07:27.56 | liable | omry: yep |
| 07:28.00 | jnoon | liable, backports doesnt have some of what i need, and this way _seems_ like the best way so i know exactly what the heck is going on (unless i shouldnt think that).... if i keep all my debs they are portable to another deb sarge box without modifying apt sources correct? |
| 07:28.02 | omry | cool. how does that work? |
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| 07:28.35 | liable | jnoon: if backports dont have it, then yeah, doing what you are doing is the best way |
| 07:28.37 | omry | this always puzzled me, how can initrd loaded from the disk be used to load the driver for that disk :) |
| 07:29.01 | liable | magic! |
| 07:29.15 | omry | come on. there is no magic, only hackery and trickery :) |
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| 07:31.11 | liable | omry: good point though, thats grub/lilo magic i guess.. |
| 07:31.16 | jnoon | liable, when i do that, is apt actually installing that stuff before the process is complete? if so, i guess what im asking is.. is there any way to have it build the debs without touching the currently installed stuff? |
| 07:31.21 | RvGaTe | good morning all |
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| 07:32.07 | omry | liable: I guess they actually include all the needed drivers, or at least the read functionality for them. |
| 07:32.36 | liable | jnoon: apt install the necessary things required to build the package, then builds it, then you install it. |
| 07:33.30 | jnoon | liable, ok, so probably best to set up a clean xen image each time i do that (ideally) |
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| 07:33.40 | liable | omry: i guess it works on a lower level. i am not actually sure to tell the truth, now you have me interested. go google it and tell me how it works :P |
| 07:34.17 | omry | what would be the procedure to mirror raid an existing partition? this is what I have in mind: 1. install the second disk. 2. create a partition on the same size. 3. add both partition to the raid 4. add another mount point for / on md0 at fstab 5: boot and pray. |
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| 07:34.33 | liable | jnoon: huh, you have kinda lost me. are you just trying to backport packages? why the need for a clean image? |
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| 07:35.05 | liable | omry: http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 07:35.21 | liable | omry: the hope and pray bit is correct :) |
| 07:35.34 | omry | liable: and the rest is total crap? :) |
| 07:35.48 | Priest-of-Psi | is there a tutorial on how to make debs? |
| 07:35.58 | liable | !nm |
| 07:35.58 | dpkg | [nm] New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 07:36.03 | liable | meh |
| 07:36.30 | liable | !nmg |
| 07:36.31 | dpkg | nmg is probably Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 07:37.01 | jnoon | liable, well, im just trying to be very stable here... id rather not let building new packages affect whats installed already... i dont know... maybe im too paranoid |
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| 07:37.47 | liable | jnoon: ok. well, i guess that the good thing about VM, you can do that easily :) |
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| 07:39.47 | tijn | what are the advantages of apache 2.0 instead of 1.3? |
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| 07:40.23 | liable | its shinier? |
| 07:40.23 | streuner_ | tijn: ask in #apache please. |
| 07:40.42 | liable | actually, just being silly.. nfc clue. |
| 07:41.00 | tijn | hehe |
| 07:41.01 | tijn | ok |
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| 07:42.22 | liable | LinuxHelp: ?? |
| 07:42.45 | LinuxHelp | liable, I have "found" my audio on my tv card now |
| 07:42.55 | liable | cool |
| 07:43.24 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 07:43.36 | Priest-of-Psi | is there any backports for etch? |
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| 07:43.56 | predder | backports.org will contain things from the testing archive if that's what you mean |
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| 07:44.10 | Priest-of-Psi | predder: I require a newer version of mpd |
| 07:44.14 | LinuxHelp | liable, it required a "sudo modprobe saa7134-alsa", so where is the correct place to put this for boot? |
| 07:44.25 | liable | LinuxHelp: /etc/modules |
| 07:44.36 | JeffH | What file defines the default search path for the gnu linker? |
| 07:44.46 | omry | liable: thats a great tutorial on raid1, thanks. |
| 07:44.55 | liable | JeffH: /etc/ldconfig |
| 07:45.06 | liable | omry: hope it works :) |
| 07:45.15 | JeffH | hm.. okay.. wonder what that translates to for mingw |
| 07:45.18 | omry | liable: I`ll try soon enough :) |
| 07:45.33 | liable | erm |
| 07:45.39 | predder | Priest-of-Psi, backports isnt for newer versions.. (unless you're talking about running stable, in which case just modify your sources.list, get the package, then restore to prior state) |
| 07:45.43 | liable | JeffH: /etc/ld.so.conf.. |
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| 07:46.18 | Priest-of-Psi | predder: can you build debian packages? |
| 07:46.33 | JeffH | hm.. I have no /etc directory |
| 07:46.45 | pstickne | JeffH, ... uhm. |
| 07:46.47 | liable | haha, you lose! |
| 07:47.44 | predder | Priest-of-Psi, is by "you" you mean me then no. If you mean is it possible then yes, however complicated from my understanding. Easier to just build it from source |
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| 07:48.56 | DocTomoe | Hm, I am unable to find this in dkpgs webpages, but I know it is there ... how do I reinstall all installed packages on a debian system? |
| 07:49.09 | tijn | !reinstall |
| 07:49.09 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 07:49.29 | tijn | was a tricky one ;) |
| 07:49.37 | DocTomoe | Heck, that was so obvious ^_^ |
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| 07:49.45 | DocTomoe | ashes on me |
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| 07:52.58 | RvGaTe | Are there actually some people in here that work at a 100% open source envirement ? |
| 07:53.04 | RvGaTe | at work |
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| 07:53.27 | liable | prolly some sysadmins i would say |
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| 07:53.42 | liable | but even they prolly use some closed source stuffs |
| 07:53.57 | RvGaTe | i mean like... co-workers, all the departments... not only the sysadmins |
| 07:54.47 | liable | name me one totally open source *company* |
| 07:54.59 | deadcat | yahoo |
| 07:55.00 | LinuxHelp | okay, which package contains arecord and aplay? |
| 07:55.12 | liable | deadcat: eh? |
| 07:55.16 | litage | LinuxHelp: search packages.debian.org |
| 07:55.30 | deadcat | liable: (= kidding |
| 07:56.02 | liable | LinuxHelp: alsa-utils |
| 07:56.23 | liable | LinuxHelp: you should have it already.. or mebbe not if you have no soundcard.. |
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| 07:57.23 | LinuxHelp | liable, just put a sound card in and it works great ... |
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| 07:57.40 | Tallu | This is a day of great joy. I now have wildcard subdomains. :) |
| 07:58.02 | liable | Tallu: yes, you mentioned that already.. :P |
| 07:58.25 | Tallu | liable: oh, I think I did. Hehe. I just got back home and checked to see it works. :) |
| 07:58.34 | liable | i dunno whats sadder, that you said it again, or that i reme,bered the first time.. |
| 07:58.44 | liable | Tallu: :) |
| 07:59.25 | RvGaTe | Tallu, contratulations... welcome to the real world of domains.. :P |
| 08:00.14 | Tallu | RvGaTe: hehe thanks. I had them before, but then I registered another domain at godaddy and they promised "total dns control" (without wildcards, mind you) |
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| 08:02.34 | LinuxHelp | liable, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/OUuWZI53.html |
| 08:03.44 | liable | LinuxHelp: show mw the arecord -l output |
| 08:05.23 | LinuxHelp | liable, that and this were/are while tvtime was/is running: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DoKScl92.html |
| 08:06.57 | liable | LinuxHelp: mess with the hw: settings, i remeber i did something vaguely different than the howto, but its dissapeared from my bash history |
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| 08:08.37 | LinuxHelp | liable, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2wcdfs61.html |
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| 08:09.55 | liable | LinuxHelp: okie, give me a while and i'll try and get mine going and see what i did.. |
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| 08:12.53 | liable | LinuxHelp: did you do the alsamixergui -C thing? have you done everything up to the arecord thing? |
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| 08:13.35 | LinuxHelp | liable, :) well I'll get right on it |
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| 08:15.19 | LinuxHelp | liable, I got my alsamixergui up for the tv card.. |
| 08:15.43 | liable | LinuxHelp: ok |
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| 08:16.03 | LinuxHelp | liable, theres line 1, line 2, and video, and a record variant for each |
| 08:16.27 | LinuxHelp | so I do "Set the cards to record on channel 1 and max volume, using for instanc" |
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| 08:21.37 | liable | LinuxHelp: hrm, it works for me, sec i'll paste my output. make sure you kill any sound daemons too.. (esd, artsd) |
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| 08:21.42 | LinuxHelp | liable, I've tried setting record and full volume for line 1, line 2, and video separately, but still the same error, also same error even with tvtime running / not runnign |
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| 08:22.29 | xeenon | hi. i need help :/ |
| 08:22.44 | xeenon | my mysql tables are read only and i cant change this.. |
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| 08:23.05 | Thomy | Nighty. |
| 08:23.09 | liable | LinuxHelp: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3447 |
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| 08:26.04 | liable | LinuxHelp: i cant see why yours isnt working :/ |
| 08:26.51 | liable | LinuxHelp: i think your original hw:1,0 is right, but theres an io error, but i have no idea how to debug it :/ |
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| 08:27.48 | LinuxHelp | !io |
| 08:27.49 | dpkg | methinks io is a badass music producer from san francisco |
| 08:28.16 | LinuxHelp | thats one of the better ones from dpkg |
| 08:28.27 | Eulex | !i/o |
| 08:28.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, i/o is (Input/Output) This abbreviation refers to any operation in a computer where data is transferred in or out of the computer. I/O may seem like a vague concept, but it refers to the basic throughput power of a computer. |
| 08:28.28 | LinuxHelp | !forget io |
| 08:28.28 | dpkg | i forgot io, LinuxHelp |
| 08:29.55 | dooplex | isn't io a moon around jupiter? :) |
| 08:30.05 | LinuxHelp | liable, whats interesting is that i get the same i/o error on both channel 1 and channel 2 (-c 2) |
| 08:30.47 | liable | LinuxHelp: -c 2 means two channels, not channel two |
| 08:31.17 | LinuxHelp | liable, you mean like stereo? |
| 08:31.24 | liable | so -c 1 means one channel, but obviously, thats not the problem, its input |
| 08:31.27 | liable | LinuxHelp: yeah |
| 08:31.53 | LinuxHelp | liable, I think my card's just being difficult |
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| 08:32.29 | liable | LinuxHelp: yeah, sorry, i am out of ideas, should work, but you have other problems, obviously.. |
| 08:32.54 | liable | kick it in the nuts! |
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| 08:33.28 | entropy | can someone that's running a non-broken debian system please tell me which package ' pyversions ' comes in? |
| 08:33.50 | liable | !tell entropy about search |
| 08:34.01 | tijn | erhm i found this: http://www.ispconfig.org/ anyone has expieriences? |
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| 08:34.15 | entropy | Liable: i know about search |
| 08:34.29 | entropy | " ... someone that's running a non-broken debian system ... " |
| 08:34.30 | comsa | goog it |
| 08:34.35 | liable | entropy: so use all the available options of that factoid.. |
| 08:34.47 | LinuxHelp | usage: pyversions [-v] [-h] [-d|--default] [-s|--supported] [-i|--installed] [-r|--requested <version string>|<control file>] |
| 08:34.48 | liable | entropy: theres more than one option.... |
| 08:35.02 | entropy | fair enough |
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| 08:36.57 | dooplex | hey, can peope tell me their prefered method to change desktop environments, e.g. from gnome to kde? Assuming that both are installed... |
| 08:37.36 | Eulex | logging out and logging into the other one by choosing it as session in gdm? |
| 08:38.21 | LinuxHelp | dooplex, I ask that question like once a month, and I still cant give you an answer |
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| 08:38.34 | lunitik | dooplex: maybe you mean switch between KDM and GDM? |
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| 08:39.01 | entropy | http://dvs.homeunix.net/haha.png |
| 08:39.02 | entropy | :( |
| 08:39.06 | dooplex | lunitik, yeah... kdm plus kwin, the whole package... |
| 08:39.07 | entropy | ;) |
| 08:39.50 | lunitik | dooplex: 'echo /usr/bin/kdm > /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager' |
| 08:40.01 | lunitik | or display manager... one or the other :o |
| 08:40.14 | lunitik | dooplex: try both ;) |
| 08:40.16 | Eulex | LinuxHelp, umh? apt-get install gdm |
| 08:40.25 | dooplex | well, I've learned something... there's more than one kdm! |
| 08:40.42 | lunitik | dooplex: huh? |
| 08:40.52 | liable | if you have a *dm, just pick the session.. |
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| 08:41.24 | dooplex | lunitik, you don't like the debian-supplied kdm... are there others? |
| 08:41.25 | lunitik | dooplex: if you are commenting on what I said... you have to manually turn on themes in KDM on Debian... which is lame |
| 08:41.46 | dooplex | ahhh gotcha, thx lunitik |
| 08:41.46 | lunitik | dooplex: I use Debian's KDM, I just hate that I have to edit that file every time I install it |
| 08:42.10 | Eulex | lunitik, file a enhancement bug |
| 08:42.14 | LinuxHelp | liable, I've just realised that in your post, there werent any tv cards... |
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| 08:42.23 | lunitik | dooplex: those pretty themes that example SUSE come with don't work by default |
| 08:42.25 | LinuxHelp | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3447 |
| 08:42.41 | lunitik | Eulex: its not an enhancement or a bug... its a bad packaging decision |
| 08:42.44 | liable | LinuxHelp: huh? yes, see the saa7134 bit |
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| 08:43.04 | liable | LinuxHelp: oh, sec |
| 08:43.17 | dooplex | lunitik, do the themes at kdelook change the look of kdm? |
| 08:43.17 | lunitik | Eulex: actually I can't even say that... because I don't know the reasoning... maybe it doesn't work with some arch's or something? I don't know... |
| 08:43.42 | lunitik | dooplex: if you turn on themes, yes |
| 08:43.59 | liable | LinuxHelp: card 2: SAA7134 [SAA7134], device 0: SAA7134 PCM [SAA7134 PCM] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 08:44.02 | hjubal | ciao|hello |
| 08:44.03 | lunitik | dooplex: /usr/share/doc/kdm files discuss this |
| 08:44.16 | LinuxHelp | kde-people, how can I get "sudo kate /etc/myfile" to work? |
| 08:44.19 | liable | LinuxHelp: thats from arecord -l |
| 08:44.21 | dooplex | cheers lunitik |
| 08:44.32 | lunitik | LinuxHelp: why doesn't it work? |
| 08:44.39 | lunitik | LinuxHelp: whats it returning to console? |
| 08:45.21 | lunitik | LinuxHelp: there is _no_ reason it shouldn't ... |
| 08:45.40 | LinuxHelp | lunitik, it just worked for the first time ever |
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| 08:45.41 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 08:45.53 | lunitik | LinuxHelp: go figure |
| 08:46.12 | enouf | !greet hjubal |
| 08:46.12 | dpkg | Wassup, hjubal |
| 08:46.26 | hjubal | :) |
| 08:46.27 | LinuxHelp | I suppose thats my subsitute for belief in the supernatural |
| 08:47.19 | dooplex | Still on the "change desktop" theme... anyone play with update-alternatives ? |
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| 08:47.37 | hyacinth | hello. I'm using debian 3.1r2 Sarge and I'm trying to get my USB Flash disk to mount. it keeps saying to specify a filesystem type (which it has never done before). can someone please help me with this? Thanks |
| 08:48.40 | k31th | anyone else having problems running mailscanner and postfix on deb sarge ? |
| 08:48.55 | liable | dooplex: to pick, say gdm as the default, dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 08:48.59 | yeager | hyacinth: what brand is the flash disk? have you googled? |
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| 08:49.22 | enouf | hyacinth : what does fdisk -l /dev/sdX say |
| 08:49.25 | lunitik | liable: he wants KDM... so you tell him to pick GDM? |
| 08:49.31 | karsten | hyacinth: Should be a vfat filesyssystem. |
| 08:49.32 | liable | dooplex: to log into gnome, hit the sessions thing with your mouse in gdm |
| 08:49.45 | lunitik | liable: He's going the other way. |
| 08:49.58 | liable | lunitik: see that i said 'say', so if he wants kdm, then.. |
| 08:50.04 | lunitik | Although, all that applies... |
| 08:50.10 | karsten | hyacinth: Assuming /dev/sda: mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt |
| 08:50.23 | k31th | can some one please answer me |
| 08:50.25 | hyacinth | karsten: i have tried mount -t vfat, but it said wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1 etc.. |
| 08:50.30 | karsten | hyacinth: ... should at least verify that it worlks. How do you normally mount this / what are you trying to do? |
| 08:50.33 | karsten | !tell k3about a |
| 08:50.36 | karsten | sk |
| 08:50.38 | mariust | whats the easiest way to set the keyboard layout for all users in an ltsp debian-edu/skolelinux network? |
| 08:50.41 | karsten | !tell k31th about ask |
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| 08:50.49 | liable | hyacinth: normally if its asking for a fs type, there is fuckage happening .. :/ |
| 08:50.54 | hyacinth | karsten: i usually mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 08:51.18 | hyacinth | dmesg is showing some pretty odd crap that i haven't seen before |
| 08:51.19 | karsten | hyacinth: OK, then do that. I know that /mnt itself will exist. |
| 08:51.32 | karsten | hyacinth: /msg dpkg paster and share. |
| 08:52.01 | karsten | mariust: X or console? I'm presuming X. You'll want to run an xmodmap somewhere in your X11 initialization. |
| 08:52.18 | dooplex | lunitik, thx... i read between the lines on liable's post :-) |
| 08:52.23 | liable | should get called somewhere |
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| 08:52.56 | mariust | karsten: thanks |
| 08:52.59 | karsten | mariust: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start or your own 99 file |
| 08:53.47 | k31th | I have a problem running sarge with postfix and mailscanner afte a few hours it hangs, when i restart it alls fine and it proccesses the mail que and sends the mail and will work for an hour or so after then same problem again... I have done some reading online and people are saying its due to the version of mailscanner in the deb repo its out of date and has this problem the only option is to source install the newer one? |
| 08:54.01 | k31th | would debian of not fixed it if this problem exsisted ? |
| 08:54.39 | Eulex | backports.org might have a newer version |
| 08:54.45 | liable | would like to think so... |
| 08:54.54 | liable | k31th: have you checked the bts? |
| 08:55.26 | k31th | liable: bts ? |
| 08:55.47 | k31th | i see |
| 08:55.51 | k31th | im looiking now |
| 08:56.28 | karsten | mariust: Xsession.d runs similarly to sysvinit if you are familiar with that, if not, ask. |
| 08:56.32 | liable | i need to purchase a microwave.. |
| 08:56.59 | enouf | karsten: right - most cards/sticks are vfat -- wonder what happens when an efs is put on those things - IOW what kind of errors from mount - I recall hanging in knoppix forums and many USB stick users wanted and used efs so as to protect their data if lost/stolen |
| 08:57.14 | karsten | liable: If you open a window, they're raining down from all points of the sky for fre. |
| 08:57.15 | enouf | hanging around* |
| 08:57.20 | KermitTheFragger | hi all, does anybody know if it possible with /etc/network/interfaces to create an interface which goes up, but does not have an ip address ? |
| 08:57.21 | karsten | enouf: efs? |
| 08:57.27 | enouf | Encrypted |
| 08:57.29 | karsten | enouf: ... did you explicitly format that? |
| 08:57.41 | karsten | Ah... |
| 08:57.53 | liable | karsten: i tried that, and got cold hands from holding the frozen meat! |
| 08:57.55 | karsten | KermitTheFragger: DHCP? |
| 08:58.02 | karsten | KermitTheFragger: r.. or promiscuous mode? |
| 08:58.16 | karsten | liable: ;-) |
| 08:58.17 | KermitTheFragger | karsten: no bridging |
| 08:58.24 | KermitTheFragger | karsten: for use with xen |
| 08:58.39 | KermitTheFragger | karsten: the interface needs to be up, but i dont want it to have an ip in dom0 |
| 08:58.40 | karsten | KermitTheFragger: Ah. Yeah, you can. |
| 08:58.41 | enouf | karsten - Not I - but yes , those users would do that using AES (IIRC) and also seLinux - many different varying ways |
| 08:58.58 | liable | what efs? |
| 08:59.06 | karsten | KermitTheFragger: interfaces(5) has a number of extensions, including the ability to run scripts pre/post up/down. |
| 08:59.35 | KermitTheFragger | karsten: yes i know about the pre post scripts, but it hought that had to be a beter way then that :) |
| 08:59.49 | enouf | karsten - I understand that the "owner" of the USB key would/should know if they've placed an efs on there - but what if someone else got a hold of it - even as a prank/joke |
| 08:59.58 | liable | enouf: if you mean ext* by efs, i have ext2 on my usb stick, works fine except it whines about fsck's |
| 09:00.01 | karsten | KermitTheFragger: When I was hosting Xen / UML systems, what I'd do is set up a virtual bridge device, auto, and have it add my default interface to that (eth0). Additional vitual systems were then simply added to the bridge, though IIRC I was mostly using that for UML, not Xen. Same general principle. |
| 09:00.11 | enouf | liable - no encryption |
| 09:00.18 | liable | right. |
| 09:00.27 | mariust | i cant seem to set my keyboard layout using setxkbmap does anyone have a working example? |
| 09:00.39 | KermitTheFragger | karsten: thx for the tip, ill go experiment some |
| 09:00.43 | karsten | enouf: I was messing with some proprietary encryption products, IIRC the system would create encrypted files on the device, but not encrypt the FS itself. Other users would symply see encrypted files on a vfat filesystem. |
| 09:00.44 | liable | mariust: for x or console? |
| 09:00.45 | enouf | liable - justt wondering what kind of errors mount would spew out |
| 09:00.45 | mariust | mariust@tjener:~$ setxkbmap -layout no -rules xfree86 -model pc105 -v |
| 09:00.45 | mariust | Warning! Multiple definitions of rules file |
| 09:00.48 | karsten | KermitTheFragger: NP. |
| 09:00.48 | mariust | X |
| 09:01.02 | karsten | mariust: xmodmap is what you want. |
| 09:01.02 | liable | mariust: reconfigure x |
| 09:01.04 | enouf | karsten : hmmm |
| 09:01.17 | mariust | ok |
| 09:01.49 | enouf | karsten : wouldn't that still require a certain "authentication" procedure ? Suppose All the files are/were encrypted |
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| 09:02.13 | karsten | enouf: That's handled by a desktop application. Windows world. |
| 09:02.15 | sven | how can i find out when kernel 2.6.13+ will be in stable? |
| 09:02.26 | karsten | enouf: Think of it as like gpg-agent, on steroids. |
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| 09:02.46 | karsten | sven: check the etch release goals. |
| 09:02.47 | enouf | No no ... I'm talking AES - I didn't bring up proprietary ...bah ... I'll go look myself |
| 09:02.51 | sep | sven it never will be, since etch now contains kernels more recent then 2.6.13 |
| 09:02.52 | sep | [roo |
| 09:02.52 | sven | karsten: thanks |
| 09:03.06 | sven | sep: that's what the '+' was for :) |
| 09:03.13 | sep | sven, didnt spot it :) |
| 09:03.24 | sep | sven, then the answer is ... when etch releases. :) |
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| 09:03.45 | sep | sven, if your in a hurry. there are backported kernels on backports.org |
| 09:03.53 | sven | argh. december |
| 09:03.56 | sven | sep: thanks, i'll take a look |
| 09:04.38 | thomerz | hi, how can i change my charset in sid? update-locale says: *** update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE (us) is not compatible with LC_ALL (en_US.iso885915 |
| 09:06.00 | karsten | mariust: F'rex: to swap capslock/ctrl in xmodmap: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3450. |
| 09:06.01 | karsten | thomerz: man update-locales |
| 09:06.01 | karsten | thomerz: ... and specify a legal local ;-) |
| 09:06.01 | hjubal | I've succesfully upgraded my sarge to etch, but '/etc/apt/apt.conf' contains 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' |
| 09:06.02 | hjubal | I suppose I have to change it to *testing*..? |
| 09:06.02 | thomerz | karsten: i specified en_US.UTF-8 |
| 09:06.21 | omry | I am trying to pipe a file to a socket via telnet : cat file | telnet host port, but I get a buffer overflowen error from telnet. is there another way to do it that will work better? |
| 09:06.57 | karsten | omry: netcat |
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| 09:07.33 | karsten | thomerz: Using update-locales? |
| 09:07.53 | karsten | thomerz: s/les/le/ |
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| 09:08.22 | karsten | omry: sudo aptitude install netcat; nc remotehost port < file |
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| 09:08.29 | TurboAWAY | hi there |
| 09:08.38 | karsten | omry: telnet doesn't handle stdin particularly well. |
| 09:09.22 | thomerz | karsten: yes |
| 09:09.33 | karsten | thomerz: Odd. |
| 09:09.56 | karsten | thomerz: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:10.05 | karsten | thomerz: ... try that then, make sure the locale is configured. |
| 09:10.11 | thomerz | karsten: the same message as with update-locale |
| 09:10.19 | thomerz | after the locales are generated |
| 09:10.23 | karsten | thomerz: What's your current LANG setting? |
| 09:10.52 | karsten | thomerz: ...and or try leaving LC_ALL blank. |
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| 09:11.31 | karsten | thomerz: "unset LC_ALL; LANG=us.UTF-8 |
| 09:11.34 | thomerz | karsten: i adjustet LC_ALL, CHARSET and LANG in /etc/default/locale now, seems to work |
| 09:11.51 | karsten | thomerz: erm. en_US.UTF-8. |
| 09:11.52 | karsten | OK. |
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| 09:12.01 | earthling | apt problem... apt-get check-update and other options errors with message about something being too large (sorry bout that, but I'm at work and didn't bring my notes with me) I moving repo dir to a safe place and creating an empty one but that's another whole set of issues. Anyone have a clue what I mean?? :-( |
| 09:12.03 | sval | whois petemc |
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| 09:12.33 | liable | sval: he is petemc |
| 09:12.36 | Eulex | sval, stalker ;P |
| 09:12.40 | sval | lol |
| 09:12.47 | omry | karsten: I`ll try netcat, thanks. |
| 09:12.52 | karsten | omry: NP. |
| 09:13.24 | thomerz | karsten: thanks for your help |
| 09:13.38 | karsten | earthling: Given that lucid and precise problem report, this is a bit of a stab in the dark, but try adding 'APT::Cache-Limit "25165824"; |
| 09:13.44 | earthling | updating repos and i get error about something being too big or large (darn, didn't bring my notes to work, sorry) and doesn't complete the function. Any idea what I'm talking about or do I need my notes? |
| 09:13.48 | karsten | earthling: ... to /etc//apt/apt.conf |
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| 09:14.01 | karsten | earthling: Notes would be exceptionally useful. |
| 09:14.20 | earthling | yea .. i know.. i gues it can wait till i get home.. |
| 09:14.20 | liable | earthling: dynamic mmap?? |
| 09:14.37 | earthling | ii think that's it.. |
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| 09:14.51 | liable | see karsten 's response then |
| 09:14.58 | amc | i got the same problem with apt-get.. i tried adding those numbers to apt.conf but it didn't worked |
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| 09:15.19 | karsten | liable: I've been taking remdial ESP lessons. They're paying off. |
| 09:15.21 | liable | amc: you prolly made a typo then.. |
| 09:15.24 | earthling | thanks karsten.. i'll try that cache limit thing.. |
| 09:15.28 | liable | karsten: haha |
| 09:15.33 | enouf | karsten, liable, just in case you're interested (though it'll take some time to get a definitive answer to my own question, by doing or reading) -- http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/loop-AES.README (text) -- http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 (Note: This is useful for administrators that need to carry sensitive information or people concerned about their privacy...) |
| 09:15.37 | karsten | earthling: OK. |
| 09:15.38 | amc | i couldn't understand you, liable :/ |
| 09:16.01 | amc | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3451 here's the message i got after an apt-get update |
| 09:16.13 | amc | could anyone help me, please |
| 09:16.15 | liable | amc: if you added the neccessary things, and it doesnt work, you prolly misspelled |
| 09:16.31 | RvGaTe | any easy to setup proxy services for debian? |
| 09:16.33 | karsten | enouf: My understanding is that that's done by loopback mounts. You can still have a vfat USB stick, but the meat's going to be within the encrypted loopback file on it. |
| 09:16.52 | karsten | RvGaTe: What sort of proxy services? |
| 09:16.57 | karsten | RvGaTe: ... and as a server or client? |
| 09:17.05 | liable | !tell amc about mmap |
| 09:17.21 | RvGaTe | karsten, as a server... |
| 09:17.25 | karsten | RvGaTe: Anyhow, the short answer is yes. The useful answer is "it depends". |
| 09:17.40 | liable | amc: paste it to be sure |
| 09:17.45 | amc | thanks.. i'll try to fix it |
| 09:17.48 | amc | ok |
| 09:18.04 | enouf | karsten : ok then -- wondering what 'mount' would say and whatever differences between that and an 'fdsik -l /dev/sdX' would show about the device |
| 09:18.13 | karsten | RvGaTe: Squid? Dansguarding? apt-cache? What? |
| 09:18.41 | karsten | enouf: Mount would show you a mounted vfat USB Stick, and a loopback file mount pointing to a file under the USB mountpoint. |
| 09:18.52 | karsten | enouf: Two mounts, in other words. |
| 09:19.28 | enouf | karsten : ok - thanks - no superblock errors likely then ? |
| 09:19.35 | amc | liable: thanks man! no errors anymore. you are great :))) |
| 09:19.43 | RvGaTe | karsten, my linux server at work got his own external ip adress today, having 2 network cards, it should be perfect as a gateway... but that will make me loose my connection to sbs2003 (wich i need) so i guess using it as a proxy and set that in my browser would be the best solution. apt-cache search proxy gives me a very large list... |
| 09:19.44 | karsten | enouf: I don't follow. |
| 09:20.28 | karsten | RvGaTe: Um. Why does having two nicks lose you SBS access? |
| 09:20.46 | RvGaTe | becouse i (the client) have only 1 |
| 09:20.50 | karsten | enouf: superblock on the vfat partition or superblock within the AES loopback file? |
| 09:21.34 | karsten | RvGaTe: I have this funny feeling you're not telling me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but. Don't hold back man, let it out. |
| 09:21.56 | RvGaTe | karsten, I FUCKING HATE THIS SBS2003 SERVER.... there.... |
| 09:22.06 | karsten | enouf: Realize you're dealing with two seperate filesystems, they don't particularly know or care about the other. |
| 09:22.21 | karsten | I feel for you, man. |
| 09:22.34 | RvGaTe | karsten, ill make a drawing to sketch my situation |
| 09:22.59 | karsten | RvGaTe: I'm sensing three boxen here: [WS] --- [ SBS2003 ] --- [ Linux server ] |
| 09:23.20 | RvGaTe | karsten, yup... just wait for the pic.. |
| 09:23.21 | enouf | karsten : If 'mount' can't self-detect the FS structure or superblock of the device it kicks out an error like shown by earlier comment [ <hyacinth> karsten: i have tried mount -t vfat, but it said wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1 etc.. ] -- I was just curious if it's possible to munge a loopback device somehow (corupt the swap, corrupt the AES, etc), in such a way to make mount throw up that error message |
| 09:23.37 | karsten | RvGaTe: and you want something like: WS --- [ LS ] < (internet ) / ( SBS2003). |
| 09:23.42 | karsten | !tell RvGaTe about paster |
| 09:23.57 | enouf | karsten : I understand your concepts though and wil look into it further myself - thanks ;-) |
| 09:24.14 | karsten | enouf: It would be associated with the loopback filesystem itself, not the vfat mount. |
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| 09:24.31 | enouf | karsten: ahh ...okie |
| 09:24.44 | enouf | karsten: ahh ...okie |
| 09:24.46 | karsten | enouf: Realize that loopback is nesting of mount levels. You can loopback mount within a loopback as well. And I've done it. And for good reason. |
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| 09:24.49 | karsten | ;-) |
| 09:24.49 | enouf | karsten: ooops |
| 09:25.46 | enouf | karsten: from what I'm quickly able to gather from the debian.admin article - you actually "shred" the root filesystem and rebuild it as AES encrypted - but I may be reading too quickly |
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| 09:27.14 | karsten | enouf: If you're copying data from a clear filesystem to an encrypted one, running 'shred' or 'wipe' over the source filesystem (after copying the data off of it) would be a wise thing. |
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| 09:27.36 | karsten | enouf: ... so it's more "rebuild, then shred". Or as any Viking will tell you: first pillage, *then* burn. |
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| 09:28.00 | enouf | karsten -- what about plunder :-p |
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| 09:28.21 | enouf | karsten -- thanks for the info |
| 09:28.46 | karsten | enouf: From 1913 webster: Plunder: To take by pillage; to appropriate forcibly; |
| 09:28.51 | karsten | enouf: So same difference. |
| 09:29.14 | zanpakuto | hello, anyone with ibm ipssend or serveraid 7k experience? |
| 09:29.26 | enouf | karsten -- I just recall the 4 item line - plunder, pillage, ___ , and burn |
| 09:29.28 | karsten | !tell zanpakuto about ask |
| 09:29.37 | karsten | enouf: Right. |
| 09:29.45 | karsten | enouf: Good old canola seed. |
| 09:30.06 | enouf | karsten -- yep |
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| 09:30.40 | zanpakuto | when I use ipssend synch 1 1 I get from the kernel log, program ipssend not setting count and/or reply_len properly |
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| 09:31.08 | linuxdesktop | I have a strange problme with testing/unstable, when i try to run some prograns i get the following error and the desktop just logsout automatically http://pastebin.ca/132416 |
| 09:31.18 | linuxdesktop | please take a look at the error |
| 09:31.39 | blondie | but you are a linux desktop |
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| 09:32.14 | linuxdesktop | yeah.. got a problme came to see the doctors |
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| 09:32.18 | linuxdesktop | dont you do that |
| 09:32.40 | blondie | c.c |
| 09:33.27 | liable | linuxdesktop: if i were you, i guess i would stsrt by trying to downngrade gconf (after reading bts of course..) |
| 09:33.36 | liable | !fix linuxdesktop |
| 09:33.49 | liable | theres your doctor! :) |
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| 09:35.07 | RvGaTe | karsten, sorry took so long: http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/368/worksetupng9.png |
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| 09:35.43 | threw | hi all ! |
| 09:36.06 | RvGaTe | karsten, basicly i want to ignore the proxy sbs2003 for internet access (but mails still need to go trough sbs2003) so i can do my job without the anoying 40GB cache :S |
| 09:36.11 | dooplex | hello threw |
| 09:36.37 | threw | im trying to understand how to set up iptables rules and im a bit lost. could anyone explain me how to listen at a given port please ? |
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| 09:37.03 | RvGaTe | threw, i configured my firewall yesterday using firehol... |
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| 09:37.28 | RvGaTe | threw, it will let you configure your iptables really easy |
| 09:37.33 | karsten | RvGaTe: Um. You can route mail anywhere you want using a smarthost or other routing rules. |
| 09:38.08 | karsten | RvGaTe: If you want debian to be your gateway, configure it to do NAT, and set it as your gateway. I presume the grey bar is a switch? |
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| 09:38.54 | RvGaTe | karsten, gateway isn't really an option, since i get my ip from de dhcp on sbs2003... and that will set my gateway aswell... (to ofcourse, the sbs2003) |
| 09:39.05 | karsten | RvGaTe: you can also configure iptables or other rules on 'debian' to reroute any traffic from inside the LAN which must go through 'sbs2003' through it. |
| 09:39.15 | karsten | RvGaTe: Assign yourself a static IP and route from outside the lease range. |
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| 09:39.21 | karsten | RvGaTe: Shouldn't affect anything else. |
| 09:39.31 | RvGaTe | karsten, im not the sysadmin here... |
| 09:39.43 | karsten | RvGaTe: Do you have root on your own workstation? |
| 09:40.04 | RvGaTe | karsten, no... but i do have on my debian box |
| 09:40.06 | karsten | RvGaTe: You'll still configure your SMB services to point to the smb2003. |
| 09:40.07 | threw | RvGaTe: ok im looking for use it :) |
| 09:40.13 | ph00 | my etch install is runnig fine |
| 09:40.17 | ph00 | *but* |
| 09:40.36 | karsten | RvGaTe: Well, that would be another slight issue. As I said: you're holding out. Workstation is Win2K or XP? |
| 09:40.45 | RvGaTe | winxp |
| 09:40.52 | karsten | RvGaTe: Do you have admin right on it? |
| 09:40.57 | RvGaTe | karsten, no |
| 09:40.57 | karsten | s/right/&s/ |
| 09:40.59 | karsten | OK. |
| 09:41.20 | karsten | What traffic do you want to route through 'debian'? |
| 09:41.55 | RvGaTe | karsten, basicly anything that doesn't use ms office 2003 |
| 09:42.08 | karsten | RvGaTe: Um. You're not making sense again. |
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| 09:42.30 | karsten | RvGaTe: "traffic" != "programs". "traffic" == "ports and / or protocols". |
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| 09:42.52 | karsten | RvGaTe: Eg: all ports, port 80 (http), port 25 (email), port 22 (ssh), ... |
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| 09:43.26 | RvGaTe | karsten, i'm almost sure i need a proxy |
| 09:43.27 | karsten | RvGaTe: And frankly, if you're messing around with this stuff, you don't have admin rights, and you're not sysadmin, you might want to find out what policy and/or exceptions are where you're at. |
| 09:43.42 | karsten | RvGaTe: I'm almost sure you know enough to be really dangerous on a Windows network. |
| 09:44.01 | karsten | RvGaTe: There's nothing overworked 'Doze admins like more than to find staffers punching holes through the firewall. |
| 09:44.12 | karsten | RvGaTe: Most places I've been at lately that's a terminating offense. |
| 09:44.33 | liable | ouch |
| 09:44.43 | RvGaTe | karsten, dude, believe me, i do know how stuff works... and i asked for a easy to setup proxy... |
| 09:44.53 | RvGaTe | karsten, not a way to evade my question |
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| 09:45.05 | ph00 | every time I log in, I have to switch keyboard layout back and fort, or the symols done using the AltGr key wont's work. It uses the xserever settings instead of the (working) gnome settings, how do I choose a layout from a full list like during sarge install? |
| 09:45.05 | karsten | RvGaTe: OK, good luck. |
| 09:45.29 | karsten | ph00: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:45.59 | ph00 | did'n work. "command not found" and the same for xserver-xorg |
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| 09:46.07 | linuxdesktop | liable: grrr |
| 09:46.10 | karsten | ph00: as root. |
| 09:46.13 | linuxdesktop | liable: he is no good |
| 09:46.22 | ph00 | duh! |
| 09:46.23 | ph00 | OK |
| 09:46.26 | ph00 | but |
| 09:46.30 | ph00 | the problem is |
| 09:46.35 | karsten | !tell ph00 about enter |
| 09:46.57 | SpeedyG | lol |
| 09:47.05 | linuxdesktop | I have a strange problme with testing/unstable, when i try to run some prograns i get the following error and the desktop just logsout automatically http://pastebin.ca/132416 |
| 09:47.08 | RvGaTe | karsten, thx for the help, but i dont like it when people say im dangerous/stupid |
| 09:47.42 | SpeedyG | most people don't like truths ;) |
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| 09:48.12 | Ronin | SpeedyG: the truth? you cant handle the truth etc. |
| 09:48.21 | karsten | RvGaTe: Then stop being ... ;-) |
| 09:48.26 | SpeedyG | lol Ronin :) |
| 09:48.53 | threw | RvGaTe: for firehol: do you know where i can get the list of service that the software can understand and where can i add my own service please ? |
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| 09:49.12 | ph00 | OK, longer posts, I get it. Well the problem is that don't know how to configure xserver-xfree86 the right way, all I can do is getting where I am now. How can make xserever use the exact same settings (including altgr+key symbols) as those that I can choose in the preferences menu? |
| 09:49.30 | linuxdesktop | how do i downgrade gconf |
| 09:49.36 | RvGaTe | threw: http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ , click on Services for a list of known services, and click on Adding Services for a howto on creating your own |
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| 09:49.45 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 09:49.45 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:50.05 | SpeedyG | !tell threw ask |
| 09:50.10 | karsten | ph00: What release are you on? Sarge or etch? |
| 09:50.13 | blondie | RvGaTe: install squid for web access. |
| 09:50.17 | ph00 | etch |
| 09:50.17 | SpeedyG | !tell ask threw |
| 09:50.22 | SpeedyG | grmbl :( |
| 09:50.34 | liable | linuxdesktop: gconf is the problem? |
| 09:50.40 | SpeedyG | !tell threw about ask |
| 09:50.51 | SpeedyG | that was it :) |
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| 09:50.57 | karsten | ph00: Ok, you should be running x.org. as root, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' should run you through a bunch of stuff, including default keyboard layout. |
| 09:51.20 | ph00 | OK, I'm trying that |
| 09:51.35 | karsten | ph00: There's a GNOME-ish way to deal with this stuff as well, but I don't play there. The dpkg-reconfigure trick is for all users, the GNOME method is (generally) for one particular user's desktop config. |
| 09:51.52 | karsten | ph00: ... though these days there's some global / policy config type stuff possible. |
| 09:52.01 | RvGaTe | blondie, thankyou |
| 09:52.07 | ph00 | well this is a one-user machine (me) |
| 09:52.22 | threw | RvGaTe: erf ok thx ;-p |
| 09:52.30 | ph00 | but I' try reconfigure first |
| 09:52.41 | RvGaTe | threw, ? |
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| 09:52.58 | ma3x | why when I download (mirror) a lot of files via ftp, it always gets stuck somewhere |
| 09:53.05 | ma3x | I must then disconnect ,reconnect |
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| 09:53.17 | karsten | ma3x: corrosion in the tubes. |
| 09:53.34 | ma3x | karsten, what's that? explain technically |
| 09:53.40 | liable | someone else has put there truckload in the tubes! |
| 09:53.41 | karsten | ma3x: Write Senator Ted Stevens and tell him we need the telcos to send smart pigs through teh Intarweb. |
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| 09:54.13 | blondie | RvGaTe: of course the web isn't the internet |
| 09:55.00 | ph00 | this is probably where it's misconfigured: right after "choose your layout" comes "keyboard variant", is that the two letter country code again? |
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| 09:55.24 | ph00 | blondie did you get tor to work on .onion addresses? |
| 09:55.34 | blondie | no, but I didn't try |
| 09:55.51 | ph00 | ok+ |
| 09:55.53 | ph00 | ok |
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| 09:56.01 | threw | RvGaTe: i didnt see those big title in firehol homapge ;oo |
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| 09:56.19 | RvGaTe | threw, hey, what is support for :P |
| 09:56.51 | azeem | karsten: please do not give ill advise |
| 09:57.07 | ph00 | anyone knows if (and where) is it possible to buy a keyboard with bigger keys? I often hit 2 the same time when trying to type fast |
| 09:57.15 | ph00 | (OK I'll goggle that) |
| 09:57.20 | ph00 | google |
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| 09:57.27 | Ronin | ph00: practice typing more |
| 09:57.53 | liable | practise doesnt make perfect in my case.. |
| 09:57.58 | karsten | azeem: It was perfectly healthy with a spring in its step when it left me. |
| 09:58.00 | ph00 | same here |
| 09:58.08 | ph00 | those keys are just too small |
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| 09:58.25 | ph00 | I guess the keyboard was invented for women's hand |
| 09:58.31 | ph00 | but anyway |
| 09:58.33 | liable | azeem: oh dear, you really didnt see the humour in that? |
| 09:59.17 | enouf | ouch! you better duck ph00 |
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| 10:00.12 | ph00 | while dpkg-configuring xorg, what should I type when I get to "keyboard variant?" (right after "keyboard layout) |
| 10:00.29 | azeem | liable: eh, sure. Obviously the person it was directed at didn't |
| 10:00.31 | karsten | azeem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes |
| 10:00.46 | azeem | and karsten continued to confuse them |
| 10:01.03 | ph00 | is it the 2 letter country code again, the 2-2 letter code (like en-us) or what? |
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| 10:01.34 | azeem | ph00: leave it blank if there is no default presented |
| 10:01.48 | ph00 | ok |
| 10:01.54 | karsten | azeem: ... and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtOoQFa5ug8 |
| 10:02.12 | azeem | karsten: you're missing the point entirely |
| 10:02.19 | ma3x | karsten, can you explain me this thing about the ftp stuck? |
| 10:02.25 | karsten | azeem: Intentionally. |
| 10:02.30 | karsten | azeem: ... it's sharp and it hurts. |
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| 10:02.50 | azeem | karsten: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving ill advise |
| 10:03.12 | ph00 | x.org modules that should be loaded by default includes the whole list but v4l. what's that? should I enable it? |
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| 10:03.46 | zanpakuto | hi, just wondering, if you have a hardware raid controller and setup two discs as RAID 1. Will it by default mirror when I install linux? I am seeing only one drive because of raid 1 during boot up. |
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| 10:04.28 | SlammerXP | zanpakuto: err, yes, that's the entire point. |
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| 10:04.44 | liable | azeem: harsh, if you /lastlog karsten you will see he has been pretty much the most active helper here.. |
| 10:04.47 | SlammerXP | zanpakuto: your raid controller won't _care_ what OS or data gets stored on it |
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| 10:05.35 | liable | azeem: he has also been in #debian a very long time, and most know him for his sometimes off wit.. :) |
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| 10:06.19 | ph00 | brb... |
| 10:06.25 | zanpakuto | SlammerXP, if I remove 1 disc, then put it back, it will synchronize automatically? |
| 10:06.37 | azeem | liable: there's nothing wrong with making a joke every once in a while, but we expect regulars to *at least* explain users they were joking when they do not understand |
| 10:06.46 | SlammerXP | zanpakuto: that depends on your raid controller, if it's a decent one it should. |
| 10:07.34 | ma3x | why is ftp so slow? |
| 10:07.41 | ma3x | or why is it stucking all the time? |
| 10:07.53 | zanpakuto | SlammerXP, I have a serveraid 7k. got any experience using it? |
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| 10:08.09 | SlammerXP | zanpakuto: nope. |
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| 10:08.27 | zanpakuto | SlammerXP, oh ok. thanks any way :) |
| 10:08.28 | SlammerXP | zanpakuto: the manual is probably the best place to start |
| 10:08.55 | sk4nK | I'm trying to update my dev server to etch, i've changed over the sources.list and run `apt-get update` but `apt-get upgrade` fails. the output is at http://paste.uni.cc/9394 can someone please help me fix this? |
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| 10:11.10 | Emiml | sk4nK: run |
| 10:11.10 | Emiml | #invoke-rc.d sals start |
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| 10:11.18 | Emiml | and read error message there |
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| 10:11.29 | Emiml | ro meaybe it is called saslauthd |
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| 10:12.09 | Emiml | sk4nK: or read error messages in sasl log |
| 10:12.13 | sk4nK | Starting SASL Authentication Daemon: (failed). |
| 10:12.13 | sk4nK | invoke-rc.d: initscript saslauthd, action "start" failed. |
| 10:12.22 | linuxdesktop | liable: How to find that out |
| 10:12.35 | linuxdesktop | liable: This is the only error i get |
| 10:12.46 | liable | linuxdesktop: what? did you check bts? |
| 10:12.58 | linuxdesktop | liable: bts |
| 10:13.00 | linuxdesktop | ? |
| 10:13.11 | linuxdesktop | liable: i checked the logs |
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| 10:13.14 | liable | i have to admit, i think i just made the best damn spag bog i have ever made! |
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| 10:13.31 | liable | it was *tasty*! |
| 10:13.54 | Emiml | sk4nK: there must be some error in your logs |
| 10:13.56 | liable | </end OT spag bog rant> |
| 10:14.11 | sk4nK | Emiml: i can't find a log /var/log/sasl?? something? |
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| 10:14.19 | ph00 | didn's work. no shift, no altgr, I guess misconfigured somthing, but what can it be. If I use the menu to switch keyboard and then set it back to my layout, then it wors fine, but only for the current session. how do I make it stick to gnome settings instead of loading xorg settings at every login |
| 10:14.35 | Emiml | sk4nK: probably or maybe in syslog |
| 10:14.36 | liable | linuxdesktop: bugs.debian.org |
| 10:14.54 | liable | linuxdesktop: bts=bug tracking system |
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| 10:15.17 | ph00 | er... well that used to work anywiay... I tried that againg and got 4 error messages, I'll paste them somewhere |
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| 10:16.29 | sk4nK | Emiml: grep -i sas /var/log/syslog returns nothing.. |
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| 10:17.30 | Emiml | sk4nK: I don't know I have never used sasl. |
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| 10:18.03 | Emiml | sk4nK: maybe try # ls -tr /var/log to see which logfile has changed |
| 10:18.11 | ph00 | here the error message, I got 4 of those when trying to switch layout using the gnome main menu http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=8124 |
| 10:18.32 | Emiml | sk4nK: or read /etc/init.d/sasl??somthing to find out what it does |
| 10:19.02 | amee2k | how do i add static routing table entries to the permanent system configuration? |
| 10:19.20 | karsten | amee2k: man interfaces(5) |
| 10:19.20 | liable | amee2k: in interfaces file |
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| 10:20.07 | ph00 | #but- it does work if i use the kde menu instead |
| 10:20.27 | ph00 | I must have some problem in the gnome settings, how do I reconfigure those? |
| 10:20.40 | amee2k | will read, ty |
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| 10:30.14 | tijn | where do i find the mysql headers packege? |
| 10:30.19 | tijn | package* |
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| 10:31.05 | tijn | libmysqlclient14-dev this one? |
| 10:31.18 | liable | tijn: mysql<foo>-dev |
| 10:31.35 | mariust | where in dev can i expect to find a tape drive? |
| 10:31.40 | b_52CEntos | http://paste.debian.net/10878 |
| 10:32.05 | tijn | liable: nope |
| 10:32.15 | r_marvin | mariusst: /dev/mt* , iirc , check dmesg |
| 10:32.43 | mariust | found it, its /dev/sd0 |
| 10:32.49 | dbe | What do I need to load to get a wireless connection to work for a laptop? |
| 10:32.58 | mariust | do i just cat /dev/st0 to it? or does it work as an regular harddrive? |
| 10:33.12 | karsten | mariust: /dev/nst0 |
| 10:33.36 | karsten | mariust: It's a character, not a block, device. It reads sequentially, not randomly. |
| 10:33.38 | dbe | Have anyone a laptop with wireless connection and using Debian? |
| 10:33.44 | mariust | karsten: yea |
| 10:33.57 | mariust | so if i want to backup the folder named 082006 to it? |
| 10:34.02 | karsten | mariust: 'man mt' for how to manipulate the tape itself (forward/reverse scan, rewind, eject). |
| 10:34.15 | karsten | mariust: tar czvf /dev/nst0 folder |
| 10:34.33 | karsten | mariust: ... s/folder/082006/ |
| 10:34.42 | mariust | thanks |
| 10:35.03 | karsten | mariust: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html |
| 10:35.12 | karsten | mariust: ... a few more complete examples there. |
| 10:35.20 | mariust | super. thanks |
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| 10:36.31 | mariust | you wrote it? :) |
| 10:36.46 | karsten | mariust: Note the difference between /dev/nst0 and /dev/st0: 'nst' == nonrewinding. Using /dev/st0 means the tape rewinds after every operation. This may greatly increase the apparent capacity of your media, but correspondingly deminishes the utility of the backups. |
| 10:36.50 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 10:36.51 | ignotus | hello, I have a bunch of files that make a DVD disc. Filenames like: VIDEO_TS.BUP VIDEO_TS.IFO VIDEO_TS.VOB VTS_01_0.BUP VTS_01_0.IFO VTS_01_0.VOB VTS_01_1.VOB VTS_01_2.VOB VTS_01_3.VOB. How can I create a DVD.iso from these files so I can burn it to a DVD? |
| 10:36.59 | karsten | Long time ago. Google 'linux backup faq' to find it ;-) |
| 10:37.21 | mariust | nice :) |
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| 10:37.48 | petemc | ignotus: google for dvd author how to, there are thousands of guides |
| 10:37.50 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 10:38.14 | karsten | mariust: Advantages of first-to-market, google juice, and linking that a lot of places over time. |
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| 10:40.53 | ignotus | petemc: mkisofs -dvd-video -udf -o dvd.iso directory/ <- wow that was easy, thaaaanks |
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| 10:44.01 | hrnt | anybody heard of a problem where the keyboard stops working when you boot debian unstable? (stops working means that even caps lock/num lock keys do not do anything) |
| 10:44.07 | sts | hello folks |
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| 10:45.31 | sts | can someone please help me figuring out the right grub settings to boot from a software raid? I've got: /dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1->md1->/boot and /dev/sda4,/dev/sdb4->md4->/ |
| 10:45.53 | sts | I'm using grub, and want to boot of xen |
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| 10:46.44 | sts | my grub config: http://paste.debian.net/10879 |
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| 10:47.00 | dbe | How do I set up a network connection for a Intel pro wireless 2200BG during the installation? |
| 10:47.23 | sts | please, it's urgent...i'm running a dedicated server and got a remote console attached for just a limited amount of time... |
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| 10:48.00 | dbe | Anyone |
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| 10:49.08 | wizzomafizzo | could anyone tell me how to install the nvidia drivers in Etch? |
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| 10:53.16 | liable | dbe: hrm, you prolly need the first couple of disks to get that working (not sure which sidk its on though) |
| 10:53.29 | liable | s/sidk/disk/ |
| 10:53.43 | karsten | hrnt: X or console? |
| 10:53.48 | liable | man, my dyslexia is getting bad.. |
| 10:54.13 | karsten | hrnt: I've got that problem when I launch wdm at startup. If I boot to console, then stard wdm manually, all's well. |
| 10:54.23 | karsten | liable: dyslexics of the world untie! |
| 10:54.34 | dbe | liable, I use DeMuDi, One disc. |
| 10:54.37 | liable | hah! |
| 10:54.48 | karsten | sts: XenSource / Xen project page has a pretty sane Xen boot grub configuration. |
| 10:54.51 | liable | dbe: we dont support demudi, sorry |
| 10:54.59 | dbe | liable, It's build on Debian 3.1 |
| 10:55.14 | dbe | liable, It is acually Debian |
| 10:55.15 | liable | dbe: yes, but its *not* debian |
| 10:55.16 | karsten | !not debian |
| 10:55.16 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 10:55.50 | tralala | !demudi |
| 10:55.51 | dpkg | i guess demudi is Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 10:56.06 | tralala | bah |
| 10:56.17 | karsten | sts: Um. Booting Xen on raid? |
| 10:56.22 | karsten | sts: Intersting. |
| 10:56.33 | karsten | sts: Might try hitting the xen user lists, might be more appropriate. |
| 10:56.50 | karsten | !tell wizzomafizzo about nvidia |
| 10:57.38 | wizzomafizzo | karsten: thanks |
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| 11:00.46 | jnjb | i look for un soft to connect on wifi with wpa2 autotentification |
| 11:01.06 | liable | jnjb: wpa-supplicant |
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| 11:02.21 | jnjb | liable, i have tried but i don't connect with. |
| 11:02.56 | jnjb | if you have un example of wpa_supplicant.conf you can paste it |
| 11:03.18 | liable | jnjb: there is a good example in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ |
| 11:03.47 | liable | jnjb: along with lots of other usefull info :) |
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| 11:04.27 | jnjb | i have read it but it don't run with my config i use wpa2 psk with un alicebox |
| 11:04.59 | quitte | is there a way to stop bind from listening on a specific interface? |
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| 11:05.45 | Eulex | quitte, maybe you can use it with xinetd? |
| 11:06.11 | liable | jnjb: is an alicebox a type of router? google shows mostly languages i cant read :/ |
| 11:06.36 | quitte | Eulex: it's permanently used. even if i could it would be running all the time and then be available on all interfaces as i understand it |
| 11:06.50 | jnjb | alicebox is an ADSL modem routerur |
| 11:06.58 | liable | right |
| 11:07.20 | liable | jnjb: what version of debian do you have? |
| 11:07.29 | jnjb | but the routeur works fine the prob is the wpa2 |
| 11:07.36 | jnjb | im on sid |
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| 11:08.18 | liable | jnjb: paste your interfaces file and wpa config to a paster (in english) |
| 11:08.33 | Eulex | quitte, apt-cache show xinetd: "It also has the ability to bind specific services to specific interfaces. This is useful when you want to make services available for your internal network, but not the rest of the world. Or to have a different service running on the same port, but different interfaces." |
| 11:09.30 | quitte | Eulex: thanks problem solved by #bind |
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| 11:13.03 | HuFo | hi |
| 11:14.50 | tijn | hey |
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| 11:21.51 | quitte | ok. got that thing fixed. but there are still a few things listening tat i dont know what they are. can i tell somehow which program is listening on a port? |
| 11:22.11 | liable | quitte: grep # /etc/services |
| 11:22.26 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: netstat -a --program |
| 11:22.33 | quitte | thanks |
| 11:22.47 | liable | quitte: netstat normally syays, unless its run from inetd |
| 11:23.09 | quitte | liable: the ports im talking about are not listed in services |
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| 11:23.27 | liable | quitte: what ports/ |
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| 11:25.34 | quitte | tcp: 32769 2049 997 719 953ipv6 udp: 2049 32770 713 716 32845 32846, but KermitTheFraggers hint should do the trick |
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| 11:26.27 | liable | quitte: netstat -plunt for services, netstat -pantu for all net connections |
| 11:26.43 | quitte | hmm no program behind tcp 32769 and 2049 |
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| 11:27.19 | liable | deadcat: you didnt burn down the house! |
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| 11:27.41 | glintotox | Hi, all. |
| 11:27.51 | quitte | could those that have no program attached be kernel nfs? |
| 11:28.35 | hrnt | karsten: i cannot even boot to console - when i try to boot in "recovery mode" and it asks for the root password i can't even enter it. |
| 11:29.28 | liable | hrnt: edit your grub entry (hit 'e' at boot) and add init=/bin/sh to your kernel line |
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| 11:33.03 | jnjb | liable, http://pastebin.ca/132614 |
| 11:33.26 | glintotox | I have a 64bit Opteron Server and it's running debian sarge. I'm pretty sure it's entirely 64bit however when i'm trying to run a game which is why i installed it, it's telling me that the file i'm trying to run can't be found but it's their and chown and chmod both stipulate that the user i'm using to try and execute the file owns it. |
| 11:33.33 | glintotox | so>>? any idea's? |
| 11:34.12 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: have you trief lsof yet ? |
| 11:34.36 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: lsof lists all resources in use |
| 11:34.37 | glintotox | so i'm a little dumb founded as to what the hell is going on. I've read a little bit about 32bit and 64bit architecture and believe it's an issue to do with it. |
| 11:34.44 | liable | jnjb: um, thats a wep key you have in interfaces, you have no mention of wpa at all.. |
| 11:34.50 | glitch | why does #debian redirect to ##vulnerable |
| 11:35.10 | quitte | KermitTheFragger: i always assumed it just worked on files and devices in /dev and not on network stuff |
| 11:35.13 | RichiH | glitch: uh, it does not? |
| 11:35.14 | liable | jnjb: wpa-supplicant is called from interfaces file in sid, you need to read the docs |
| 11:35.21 | liable | glitch: eh? |
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| 11:35.58 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: i dont what the problem is, i just jumped in on the issue how one can view what proccess uses wich port :) |
| 11:35.58 | glitch | i think there is some freenode-connect type of checking going on |
| 11:36.08 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: is it an NFS issue ? |
| 11:36.19 | RichiH | 13:36:02 -!- mode/#debian [+tncPLlfJ 610 #debian-overflow 8,3] |
| 11:36.23 | quitte | no. just closing down ports to the outside world |
| 11:36.29 | KermitTheFragger | ah ok |
| 11:36.37 | glintotox | so can anyone help me? |
| 11:36.41 | RichiH | glitch: if freenode-connect redirects you, you might have open ports or some such |
| 11:36.43 | glintotox | is their a 64bit channel somewhere? |
| 11:36.43 | RichiH | i doubt that, though |
| 11:36.45 | hrnt | liable: ok, i get a rootshell but the keyboard does not work :P |
| 11:36.48 | KermitTheFragger | well lsof should list them |
| 11:36.49 | quitte | portmap seems to be unable to take two arguments to -i? |
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| 11:37.07 | liable | hrnt: your keyboard is fux0red then :P |
| 11:37.45 | KermitTheFragger | hrnt: or worse, you blew up your ps/2 port, ps/2 ports are NOT hotswapable |
| 11:38.04 | hrnt | this is USB keyboard |
| 11:38.07 | glitch | can someone ask dpkg or apt about "vulnerable" i can't even msg anyone on freenode anymore |
| 11:38.15 | KermitTheFragger | hrnt: phew :) |
| 11:39.07 | quitte | will there be any trouble with nfs if i run two portmaps? one for lo and one for eth0? |
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| 11:40.18 | hrnt | i am trying with another keyboard |
| 11:40.58 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: dunno, should work.... in theory.... |
| 11:41.59 | quitte | KermitTheFragger: looking at the webpage i doubt it. local rpc program registers at other portmap than that that is supposed to serve the rpc port number to connecting machines. so it just wouldnt know. |
| 11:42.05 | quitte | err manpage |
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| 11:43.16 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: that would pose a problem yes :) |
| 11:43.44 | quitte | i cant believe portmap cant be told to listen to two interfaces |
| 11:44.15 | hrnt | does not work with another keyboard :P |
| 11:44.22 | glintotox | so i'm a little dumb founded as to what the hell is going on. I've read a little bit about 32bit and 64bit architecture and believe it's an issue to do with it. |
| 11:44.29 | pingouin | quitte: i can't belive cindy crawford dont call me ;) |
| 11:44.30 | glintotox | I have a 64bit Opteron Server and it's running debian sarge. I'm pretty sure it's entirely 64bit however when i'm trying to run a game which is why i installed it, it's telling me that the file i'm trying to run can't be found but it's their and chown and chmod both stipulate that the user i'm using to try and execute the file owns it. |
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| 11:45.25 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: portmap binds on all interfaces out of the box i believe ? |
| 11:45.29 | quitte | pingouin: cindy crawford cant be told to call everyone. but portmap can listen to all interfaces |
| 11:45.33 | liable | glintotox: paste outputs to a psater |
| 11:45.41 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: you only need it on specific interfaces ? |
| 11:45.46 | liable | glintotox: paster |
| 11:45.56 | pingouin | quitte: so you're happy with it ;) |
| 11:46.21 | pingouin | quitte: sexual live of debian user's suprise me sometimes.... ;) |
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| 11:46.29 | quitte | KermitTheFragger: yes. but i dont want it to bind to ppp0, even if there is a firewall and tcp_wrapper protecting it |
| 11:47.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:47.11 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:47.23 | quitte | i'm not even sure it has to listen on lo. can the nfs server stuff still regiter at it if it is not listening on lo? |
| 11:47.31 | glitch | wow, #debian moved to OFTC ? |
| 11:47.39 | Ronin | glitch: irc.debian.org did |
| 11:47.44 | tarzeau | glitch: as you can see, still more people are here |
| 11:47.56 | Ronin | #debian is still as you can see on freenode and efnet and others im sure |
| 11:48.05 | tarzeau | Ronin: i've always been using irc.gnu.org to save some letters |
| 11:48.05 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: affraid i cant help you with that :( would know how accomplish that |
| 11:48.14 | glitch | one domain name |
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| 11:48.16 | tarzeau | Ronin: the faq has a list of a few more |
| 11:48.17 | glitch | hehe |
| 11:48.33 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: if i were you, i would leave it. If there is a firewall in front of it (netfilter i presume), whats the deal |
| 11:48.34 | Ronin | tarzeau: faq? that like a manual? ewwwwww ;) |
| 11:48.43 | tarzeau | Ronin: that in the /topic |
| 11:48.56 | glintotox | liable: command not found |
| 11:49.00 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: sure ideal is different, but i wouldnt invest too much time in it :) |
| 11:49.14 | liable | !tell glintotox about paste |
| 11:49.15 | quitte | KermitTheFragger: portmap gives the option to tell it what to listen to. why would it be so useles if it is present? |
| 11:50.19 | ggeecko | i would like fetchmail to start after every reboot... in cron is it @reboot /home/user/fetchmail? |
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| 11:50.56 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: perhaps it is intendent for people who only want to use it on their loopback adaptor |
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| 11:51.27 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: you could try a comma separate lists 127.0.0.1,192.168.1.1 but i doubt it will work |
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| 11:51.41 | quitte | already tried that. doen'T work |
| 11:51.47 | tarzeau | tomorrow debian turns 13 years old! |
| 11:51.57 | liable | really? |
| 11:52.01 | tarzeau | yes |
| 11:52.07 | glintotox | liable; ok reading now |
| 11:52.13 | liable | angry teenager! |
| 11:52.17 | glintotox | lol |
| 11:52.22 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: the manual speaks of "address" and not of "addresses". So perhaps its just not possible |
| 11:52.37 | Ronin | nice to see it behaves better then any 13 year old though |
| 11:52.39 | glintotox | liable: i didn't want to retype it |
| 11:53.03 | quitte | KermitTheFragger: well - i consider that a bug |
| 11:53.03 | liable | glintotox: huh? just paste the output into that website that dpkg gave you |
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| 11:54.07 | liable | tarzeau: where is the party? |
| 11:54.07 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: like i said, its cerntainly not ideal, but i wouldnt loose too much sleep over it :) |
| 11:54.23 | tarzeau | liable: i think there are several, let me find the wiki entry |
| 11:54.39 | tarzeau | liable: read the funny comments of slashdot poll already? |
| 11:55.00 | liable | tarzeau: nope, /me goes to look |
| 11:55.11 | quitte | KermitTheFragger: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=280537 |
| 11:55.16 | tarzeau | liable: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian13th |
| 11:55.59 | liable | ta |
| 11:56.21 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: hmm it dates from 2004, doesnt look like its fixed :( |
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| 11:57.01 | liable | tarzeau: nothing here :( |
| 11:57.14 | quitte | nope. and what worries me more is that this wasn't fixed:http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361019 |
| 11:57.31 | tarzeau | liable: it's wiki, YOU make something there? |
| 11:57.47 | liable | tarzeau: where is the /. poll? |
| 11:58.20 | tarzeau | liable: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=193997&cid=15904112 |
| 11:58.24 | liable | tarzeau: i think i am the only debian user in my town :P |
| 11:58.34 | tarzeau | liable: neighbourtowns? where is that again? |
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| 11:58.43 | tarzeau | liable: or some larger town near you? |
| 11:59.16 | liable | tarzeau: the closest city is a full days driving away :/ |
| 11:59.31 | tarzeau | liable: i'm glad, i live in switzerland |
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| 11:59.54 | tarzeau | liable: i can be in zurich, baden, bern, basel, solothurn, luzern. all in one day |
| 12:00.01 | tarzeau | by public transport |
| 12:00.24 | tarzeau | eat in the train, read and have an interesting talk with other travellers |
| 12:00.39 | liable | tarzeau: yes, i spose living in europe must have at least *one* advantage.. :P |
| 12:00.59 | tarzeau | liable: when do ou emmigrate? |
| 12:01.16 | liable | tarzeau: i cant afford to! |
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| 12:01.46 | liable | tarzeau: why you version me? |
| 12:02.30 | tarzeau | liable: i wanted to know what irc client you use |
| 12:02.35 | tarzeau | without bothering you |
| 12:02.53 | liable | tarzeau: irssi, i dont mind if you ask.. |
| 12:03.09 | tarzeau | i do, just ctcp whatever me if you feel like it |
| 12:03.16 | BusMaster | if i suspect a program is leaking memory..and I kill it..will that free up the leaked memory? |
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| 12:03.28 | liable | tarzeau: i dont really care what you use :) |
| 12:03.42 | tarzeau | liable: the same like you, honey :) |
| 12:03.48 | tarzeau | BusMaster: which? |
| 12:03.56 | BusMaster | tarzeau: firefox |
| 12:03.56 | tarzeau | BusMaster: you can use xosview or free to check? |
| 12:04.01 | tarzeau | BusMaster: hahahaha :) that was good |
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| 12:04.08 | tarzeau | BusMaster: yes it should free it up |
| 12:04.20 | is_null | hello everybody, how am i suppose to set up the default web brwoser please ? |
| 12:04.25 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: thats not good.... |
| 12:04.28 | is_null | *browser |
| 12:04.34 | BusMaster | tarzeau: and if I'm running a bunch of programs..how do I know which one is leaking? |
| 12:04.44 | liable | is_null: update-alternatives --config -x-www-browser |
| 12:04.46 | tarzeau | is_null: which do you want? |
| 12:04.49 | sep | BusMaster, why do you think a program is leaking ? |
| 12:04.51 | tarzeau | liable: or without x- |
| 12:05.03 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: my advice: firewall it well |
| 12:05.04 | liable | tarzeau: sure, but i figure he means x |
| 12:05.04 | tarzeau | sep: it needs more and more memory without freeing it |
| 12:05.16 | sep | it? it beeing firefox ? |
| 12:05.16 | KermitTheFragger | quitte: as a temporary workarround |
| 12:05.24 | is_null | tarzeau: firefox |
| 12:05.56 | is_null | i need to install update-alternatives ? |
| 12:06.03 | liable | i can have only konsole, firefox and thunderbird running, and after a few days, half a gig mem used.. :( |
| 12:06.09 | BusMaster | sep: because I have a machine with 384 meg of ram..it worked great...recently I did apt-get upgrade...and fterwards,...after using my computer for about an hour (firefox, evolution, xmms) i find that all my swap is used, there is about 2 mb of free memory reported by 'free' the hdd light is always flickering and everything is dead slow. a reboot solved the problem |
| 12:06.20 | liable | is_null: no, you allredy have it, just type what i said |
| 12:06.34 | tarzeau | liable: yeah |
| 12:06.53 | sep | BusMaster, i usualy run top, then i press m to sort on memusage |
| 12:06.54 | is_null | liable: bash: update-alternatives: command not found |
| 12:07.00 | liable | is_null: as root |
| 12:07.02 | tarzeau | is_null: are you root? |
| 12:07.06 | is_null | no |
| 12:07.07 | BusMaster | sep: i'll try that |
| 12:07.24 | is_null | i thought we could specify user-preference |
| 12:07.26 | liable | and i dont even have kde.. |
| 12:07.36 | tarzeau | is_null: $BROWSER |
| 12:07.52 | tarzeau | is_null: debian doesn't allow users to run apt-get/dpkg neither |
| 12:08.03 | tarzeau | is_null: why should they think a user can set their prefs using a special debian tool? |
| 12:08.05 | is_null | thank you, have a nice day :) |
| 12:08.10 | tarzeau | i love you too |
| 12:08.25 | is_null | i don't know, if several browsers are installed, maybe users could have preferences |
| 12:08.32 | tarzeau | they can |
| 12:08.33 | k31th | HGUTILS::SendEmail /// will this work with postfix ? |
| 12:08.39 | tarzeau | depends how they prefer to start their software |
| 12:08.52 | liable | is_null: your desktop can set that in preferences |
| 12:08.52 | tarzeau | i, for me, use the window maker menu or a terminal where i type links2 -g |
| 12:09.05 | liable | tarzeau: but you are biased |
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| 12:09.21 | tarzeau | liable: i was just telling how i do things. how's that biased? |
| 12:09.26 | tarzeau | i'm different maybe |
| 12:09.27 | is_null | i have no desktop, i ot it to work then , cool thank you :) |
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| 12:10.06 | liable | tarzeau: i was only reffering to your preference of links2 |
| 12:10.29 | liable | tarzeau: and yes, you certainly seem to be different :P |
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| 12:11.08 | tarzeau | liable: i know one of the links2 developers, he also uses links2! |
| 12:11.14 | tarzeau | liable: even on windows... |
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| 12:12.22 | liable | tarzeau: oh. ok |
| 12:13.00 | tarzeau | liable: but you know what? i've sold $23 or so on cafepress |
| 12:13.18 | liable | tarzeau: what logo? |
| 12:13.43 | tarzeau | liable: http://www.cafepress.com/lesbianlinux |
| 12:13.55 | liable | oh dear, i shoulda known |
| 12:13.58 | quitte | huh. portmap is the same since 1996? |
| 12:14.00 | tarzeau | guess i'll order myself one as well |
| 12:14.21 | glintotox | liable: i'm not getting any output. I've tried executing a game file on my 64bit debian sarge system and it's tell me the file i'm trying to execute isn't there when it is. |
| 12:14.38 | liable | tarzeau: hehe, is that purely your logo? |
| 12:14.55 | tarzeau | liable: i took the ps whirl, and the debian font and did this using the gimp, yes |
| 12:14.59 | liable | glintotox: show me ls -l and your output |
| 12:15.03 | tarzeau | liable: i've done that for www.lesbian.mine.nu |
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| 12:15.09 | liable | tarzeau: thats nice :) |
| 12:15.26 | tarzeau | liable: wanted to make my own os.. but then the os isn't important. gone to GNUstep completely |
| 12:15.32 | tarzeau | liable: doing livecd.gnustep.org now |
| 12:15.34 | glintotox | tarzeau: the file is chowned and chmoded to the appropriate user and has the appropriate options attached. |
| 12:15.47 | liable | tarzeau: i knew you had lesbian.mine.nu, but the tshirts are a nice touch :) |
| 12:15.48 | glintotox | i believe it's an 64bit arch issue. |
| 12:16.09 | tarzeau | liable: thank you, if you look at the swirls with text, you notice the swirld and font go into each other, pretty neat |
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| 12:16.29 | tarzeau | liable: notice the nethack'ish names of the items? |
| 12:16.33 | liable | tarzeau: the thong is cool :) |
| 12:16.34 | tarzeau | liable: VERY. COOL. |
| 12:16.57 | tarzeau | liable: i like the lesbian gnu/linux bag of holding :) |
| 12:17.10 | glintotox | tarzeau: join #paste and i'll show ya anyhow. |
| 12:17.57 | tarzeau | liable: i should do a short for joggers "CATCH ME IF YOU CAN" |
| 12:18.08 | tarzeau | liable: or a bag "SMILE IF YOU WANT TO SLEEP WITH ME" |
| 12:18.09 | liable | hah |
| 12:18.24 | liable | oh, spare me! |
| 12:18.32 | tarzeau | k , k :) i'm gone again |
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| 12:22.54 | mariust | how can i get the codename of my cpu? |
| 12:23.01 | tarzeau | mariust: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:23.12 | mariust | it doesnt say there |
| 12:23.12 | liable | then google |
| 12:23.15 | tarzeau | mariust: but you can also give a name to your own personal cpu |
| 12:23.22 | liable | hehe |
| 12:23.26 | tarzeau | mariust: i knew a girl that called her car "cesar" |
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| 12:23.41 | mariust | haha, but seriously, i need to know what revision of the xeon i have |
| 12:24.36 | pingouin | what kind of car it was ? |
| 12:24.54 | tarzeau | pingouin: a small one, silver or red i don't remember, but the girl was nice, very nice |
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| 12:25.08 | tarzeau | pingouin: peugeot |
| 12:25.13 | pingouin | sure..remember better the girl than the car ;) |
| 12:25.26 | pingouin | ooh a french car ;) |
| 12:25.34 | pingouin | the worst ;) and i'm french ;) |
| 12:26.11 | liable | ohnos |
| 12:26.21 | pingouin | anyway...i hope you let her car clean after... ;) |
| 12:26.35 | tarzeau | unf |
| 12:26.42 | tarzeau | we have been at the lake in lucerne |
| 12:26.53 | tarzeau | it was nice weather, and went drinking something |
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| 12:26.59 | tarzeau | the car is just for moving from a to b |
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| 12:27.11 | pingouin | this lack of imagination.... |
| 12:27.13 | mariust | if i have a dual core dual cpu hyperthreading pc, should it list 8 processors? |
| 12:27.22 | azeem | mariust: no |
| 12:27.36 | azeem | hrm, or maybe yes |
| 12:27.37 | liable | mariust: i would guess 4 |
| 12:27.41 | pingouin | mariust: how rich you are !! ;) |
| 12:27.50 | mariust | but then would a dual cpu, single core hyperthreading pc list 4? |
| 12:28.02 | mariust | pingouin: thats what im trying to figure out :) |
| 12:28.02 | rage | 4 is my guess, hyperthreading isnt exactly two processors afaik |
| 12:28.04 | azeem | mariust: how much does it list? |
| 12:28.08 | mariust | 4 |
| 12:28.12 | azeem | do there. |
| 12:28.14 | mariust | Xeon 2.8 |
| 12:28.16 | rage | Does anyone have a hyperthreading cpu here? |
| 12:28.18 | azeem | s/do/so/ |
| 12:28.20 | tarzeau | rage: yes |
| 12:28.24 | mariust | rage: ? |
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| 12:28.35 | mariust | its dual cpu, but is it dual core? |
| 12:28.37 | pingouin | me i got a hyperslowing cpu |
| 12:28.40 | pingouin | work nice |
| 12:28.47 | mariust | pingouin: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:28.52 | mariust | does it list 1 or 2 |
| 12:28.57 | tarzeau | pingouin: you live in france? |
| 12:29.09 | pingouin | mariust: i'm jocking :) |
| 12:29.09 | tarzeau | pingouin: i've traveled in a TGV (old, orange one) from zurich to bern yesterday |
| 12:29.11 | Ogun | Hyperthreading shows two CPUs. |
| 12:29.12 | pingouin | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:29.21 | tarzeau | pingouin: much nicer than ICE |
| 12:29.26 | mariust | ok, so this is probably dual cpu, single core, hyperthreading then? |
| 12:30.08 | liable | or dual core hyperthreading single cpu |
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| 12:30.10 | pingouin | tarzeau: i get TGV almost everyweek, from my workplace in Paris, to my home in the north of France... |
| 12:30.14 | pingouin | i hate Paris |
| 12:30.29 | liable | or single dual hyperthreading double cpu! |
| 12:30.36 | tarzeau | pingouin: why? |
| 12:30.37 | rage | Anyway, I have a question, would a "no military use" clause would violate the Debian social contract? Specifically with regards to part 6 of the free software guidelines http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 12:31.01 | mariust | liable: you mean single hyperdual hypercore singledual cpu? |
| 12:31.11 | tarzeau | pingouin: but you love your work? |
| 12:31.13 | pingouin | tarzeau: bah...is not my birthplace in France, it's dirty, too fast people, much stress etc... |
| 12:31.19 | liable | mariust: with overhead underhangers! |
| 12:31.23 | RvGaTe | nicodarious, welcome :P |
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| 12:31.28 | tarzeau | pingouin: i see, a bit like zurich |
| 12:31.34 | mariust | and a turbo button :) |
| 12:31.40 | Shart | hi! where i can get info about d-link DWL-G520+ (WiFi) on Linux? |
| 12:31.41 | liable | of course |
| 12:31.45 | nicodarious | RvGaTe: hello again |
| 12:31.47 | pingouin | tarzeau: not really also... everyday i check employements on the web to get back in my area ;) |
| 12:31.51 | tarzeau | pingouin: the metro stinks, i've been twice in paris |
| 12:31.53 | pingouin | but dont tell my boss |
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| 12:32.10 | tarzeau | pingouin: hehe, what work? anything debian related? |
| 12:32.23 | pingouin | tarzeau: yep..worst in summer, almost 40° C in subway :/ |
| 12:32.34 | pingouin | tarzeau: not at all, cultural work |
| 12:32.53 | mariust | thats nothing, at the subway close to here, they bake the bread at 220C |
| 12:32.54 | tarzeau | pingouin: where in north france are you? at the sea, with waves? |
| 12:33.01 | liable | pingouin: does that translate to 'looking for hookers in the subway'?? |
| 12:33.17 | pingouin | tarzeau: few kms from north sea, near the belgium border |
| 12:33.23 | tarzeau | liable: they've got anything else in the us? |
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| 12:33.36 | pingouin | liable: what ?! |
| 12:33.52 | tarzeau | pingouin: got photos of the countryside? |
| 12:33.55 | liable | tarzeau: i dont know, and have no intention of finding out |
| 12:34.00 | liable | pingouin: ignore me |
| 12:34.13 | pingouin | tarzeau: no i dont have pics from my area sorry |
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| 12:34.59 | Ogun | Is there any decent howto on how to integrate courier-imap, exim and postgres? Looking for a virtual user setup. |
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| 12:38.53 | cybrus | hi all |
| 12:39.14 | cybrus | i install debian 3.1 (not sarge) |
| 12:39.28 | tarzeau | but 3.1 is sarge |
| 12:39.29 | cybrus | install x-window-system with apt-get |
| 12:39.30 | liable | that *is* sarge |
| 12:39.41 | tarzeau | liable: maybe he means windows 3.1 |
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| 12:39.47 | ph00 | hehe |
| 12:39.49 | cybrus | :) |
| 12:39.50 | cybrus | sorry |
| 12:39.57 | liable | hah |
| 12:40.00 | cybrus | install x-window-system |
| 12:40.08 | cybrus | install gnome |
| 12:40.10 | cybrus | install gdm |
| 12:40.25 | cybrus | it's okey but i do'nt start x |
| 12:40.32 | cybrus | and gdm. |
| 12:41.03 | cybrus | i use nvidia geforce vga |
| 12:41.05 | liable | cybrus: x is misconfigured if it doesnt start |
| 12:41.06 | ph00 | video diriver problem? |
| 12:41.09 | ph00 | yes |
| 12:41.14 | cybrus | yes |
| 12:41.14 | ph00 | I got it |
| 12:41.19 | ph00 | I had the same problem |
| 12:41.24 | cybrus | really ? |
| 12:41.28 | ph00 | Yes |
| 12:41.29 | cybrus | okey, do you help me ? |
| 12:41.51 | ph00 | I'll give you a web address where you can find detailde instructionss |
| 12:41.51 | yeager | just start X and look at the debug information |
| 12:42.18 | ph00 | wait, I must find it for you |
| 12:42.20 | yeager | i.e. execute 'X' |
| 12:42.21 | cybrus | error 1 : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/VDQa6i98.html |
| 12:42.28 | cybrus | error 2 : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HV06EE19.html |
| 12:43.07 | yeager | cybrus: dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
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| 12:43.44 | cybrus | yeager, I dont have xorg, I write xorg or xorgconfig but system not found xorg, etc.. |
| 12:44.02 | liable | sare has xfree86 |
| 12:44.06 | liable | sarge |
| 12:44.13 | yeager | cybrus: X can't find your mouse at /dev/mouse. symlink it to your mouse device (/etc/psaux or something) |
| 12:44.20 | yeager | ah, it's old stuff :) |
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| 12:45.06 | yeager | cybrus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:45.21 | ph00 | cybrus check this out http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt -it worked for me |
| 12:45.28 | ph00 | http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
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| 12:48.45 | cybrus | yeager, I use a4tech mouse with scroll |
| 12:48.51 | cybrus | yeager, and optic. |
| 12:48.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here have experience installing emacs, slime, and lisp (cmucl prefferably) on a Debian machine? |
| 12:49.52 | nicodarious | anyone here know if there's a kernel in development for the MCP51 chipset for the nForce boards? trying to get debian up and running on a newer box and it won't see my SATA drives |
| 12:50.31 | Coweater | what boot cd/kernels have you tried? |
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| 12:50.57 | nicodarious | i have tried the sarge and the etch boot.img with the businesscard ISOs. |
| 12:51.09 | nicodarious | neither of them see my sata drives |
| 12:51.32 | enouf | nicodarious: saw you over on otfc ;-) but that seems so new it may be tough .. you'll likely nned to find the info from booting one of the variants and using that to insert the kernel module(s) needed |
| 12:51.36 | nicodarious | even tried the install libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 12:51.36 | nicodarious | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.49 | nicodarious | enouf: i know it will work.. Mandriva 2006 works and so does 2005 and 10.2.... and Kubuntu works with installation too.. but i'll do anything to get another Debian box up.. but i'm missing something pertinent that the other distros have by default. |
| 12:52.58 | liable | nicodarious: you need to google the chipset, its up to kernel versions whether its supported |
| 12:53.14 | enouf | nicodarious: see http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware |
| 12:53.48 | nicodarious | liable would you know how i could modify a SYSLINUX boot.img to make the kernel capable of supporting it? |
| 12:54.12 | liable | nicodarious: hrm, i havent done it, but.. |
| 12:54.19 | liable | !custom d-i |
| 12:54.19 | dpkg | well, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 12:54.37 | enouf | nicodarious: that appears to be only about the Ethernet controller -- google 'MCP51 Debain' |
| 12:54.43 | nicodarious | thanks. will check that out. brb. |
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| 12:55.01 | nicodarious | enouf: done that, but will try again. |
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| 12:55.19 | enouf | nicodarious: my link appears about NIC |
| 12:56.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Great. cmucl is apparently fantastically broken on debian. |
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| 12:59.57 | nicodarious | liable: wow.. thanks for the link. i think that will help me out compiling a new installer for sure. going to go concentrate on that for now. |
| 13:00.06 | liable | nicodarious: theres a few other urls too.. http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD .. http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian .. |
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| 13:01.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmmm. How do I install unstable versions of things? |
| 13:01.07 | nicodarious | liable: big help man. these are definitly goining into my debian shortcuts folder! |
| 13:01.22 | liable | nicodarious: good luck |
| 13:01.59 | nicodarious | liable: thanks. i'll probly need it since this will be my first time with doing this. |
| 13:01.59 | liable | !tell eiku about away |
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| 13:04.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually I think I've found it. |
| 13:05.04 | enouf | nicodarious: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html was updated in June this year, and nada mucho , so roll your own I guess |
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| 13:05.50 | nicodarious | enouf: thank s man. i'm working on roling one now from the great sites i got from liable |
| 13:06.13 | enouf | nicodarious: also for many resources info and links therefrom http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html and check nBidia's site |
| 13:06.27 | enouf | nVidia* |
| 13:06.49 | nicodarious | cool. will check that one out too. thanks |
| 13:06.59 | enouf | np |
| 13:09.13 | nicodarious | i wonder if i could use one of my old .config files from Mandriva 2006 to compile a boot kernel? mandriva seemd to have support for it and i really dont' feel like doing another 4 hours worth of work just on setting up another kernel config. |
| 13:09.32 | nicodarious | already spent about 12 hours on it already and all |
| 13:10.04 | liable | nicodarious: sure as long as they havent added patches |
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| 13:10.11 | nicodarious | anyway, my boot SD stick 'is' 128 MB so i think it can fit a bloated kernel source on there. |
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| 13:11.08 | kalessin | hi |
| 13:11.37 | nicodarious | not that i can think of.. no patches added lately... if ever. i just use the config file i got from the original 2.6.12 mdk kernel and compiled a newer 2.6.17 kernel with it. just so i can have the newest kernel on my machine =-) |
| 13:11.43 | nicodarious | Kalessin: hello |
| 13:12.09 | jetscreamer | only a compressed one |
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| 13:12.18 | liable | nicodarious: erm, if its in a mandrake 2.6.12, then the etch installer should support it (2.6.15) |
| 13:12.18 | jetscreamer | an unpacked one wouldn't fit |
| 13:12.29 | az | Still getting the same issues :( |
| 13:12.30 | az | sniff |
| 13:12.39 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 13:12.43 | liable | !comfort az |
| 13:12.43 | dpkg | There, there, az. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:12.46 | nicodarious | odd then... |
| 13:12.59 | az | lol |
| 13:13.08 | nicodarious | liable: you know of any commands that i would have to throw at etch in order to turn on the module driver? |
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| 13:13.48 | k31th | any sendmail users here where does the virtualusertable go to on a deb box ? |
| 13:13.51 | az | I've got a Debian Linux (sarge) install , i've got 64bit files and a 64bit platform and i'm pretty sure i've compiled the kernel with 64bit support. Could someone tell me how i can check this...... |
| 13:13.51 | az | please |
| 13:13.52 | liable | nicodarious: it should load it, find out the module name and run the installer in expert mode, and get it loaded |
| 13:14.09 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, Debian is now officially the most retarded distro ever |
| 13:14.25 | nicodarious | i got a wiki page here with a command to throw at it to support SATAatapi, but it didn't load |
| 13:14.48 | nicodarious | expert mode... *shudders since hs is no exper at anything linux* |
| 13:14.53 | liable | nicodarious: can you not set the controller for legacy mode in bios? |
| 13:15.10 | Lone_Wanderer | az: is that a pun on "whatever"? |
| 13:15.20 | nicodarious | liable: lemme check the bios real quick.. brb |
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| 13:15.51 | nicodarious | lol |
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| 13:18.23 | jetscreamer | !kill Lone_Wanderer |
| 13:18.24 | nicodarious | liable: legacy USB storage detection is enabled thru bios. SATA-2 is enabled (obviously), and IDE are all enabled... USB keyboard and mouse support enabled. just plain jane Legacy support is not an option on my board. |
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| 13:18.40 | liable | nicodarious: bugger |
| 13:18.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Such a helpful user base too! |
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| 13:20.27 | nicodarious | Lone_Wanderer: don't call debian retarded in the debian channel and you might be OK. And this channel is for users to help other users.. as far as i know, it's not supported by strictly Deian admins/support personnel. so be nice and you will be treated fairly also. |
| 13:20.58 | nicodarious | and that's all i got to say about that! =-) |
| 13:21.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I haven't insulted anyone here. I haven't done anything except ask a few questions, been ignored, and vented some frustration. |
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| 13:21.55 | Lone_Wanderer | In response I get insulted and !killed. |
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| 13:22.11 | liable | hehe |
| 13:22.12 | nicodarious | and what would your enigma? maybe i can help you out. |
| 13:22.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Just trying to get sbcl, slime, and emacs all working together. |
| 13:22.32 | Lone_Wanderer | It doesn't seem like it should be *that* hard. |
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| 13:22.51 | Lone_Wanderer | But I've been at it for about three days now and haven't gotten anywhere. |
| 13:22.51 | Sp4rKy | hi |
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| 13:23.09 | liable | Lone_Wanderer: /msg dpkg ask, you may find a little more help if you actually give us some usefull info to go on.. |
| 13:23.10 | Sp4rKy | does anyone use djplay ? |
| 13:23.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Listen Sparky - if you wanna get the girl, you gotta be a straight shooter, ya hear? |
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| 13:23.25 | nicodarious | well, i'm not an expert by any scale, especially with Debian. and really i have no idea of what any of those are besides emacs. |
| 13:23.49 | Lone_Wanderer | sbcl is a lisp implementation and slime is a lisp development environment |
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| 13:24.09 | liable | Lone_Wanderer: you may also have more luck on the lists |
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| 13:24.23 | Lone_Wanderer | not that it matters - they're just software packages, and normally I'd just download the source and compile them and be done with it |
| 13:24.42 | nicodarious | again, unfortunately i don't work with lisp, so i'm out of ideas with that. maybe you can try http://www.google.com/linux for answers? |
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| 13:26.54 | jetscreamer | !source |
| 13:26.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
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| 13:27.15 | jetscreamer | it's a thought |
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| 13:27.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I've actually managed to start installing some of the packages I need |
| 13:27.48 | Sp4rKy | pleaseeee |
| 13:28.03 | DarKou | hi kalessin ^^ |
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| 13:28.16 | Lone_Wanderer | but when I got a message about needing to upgrade my kernel I decided that Debian was retarded :p |
| 13:28.21 | kalessin | kiss DarKou |
| 13:28.24 | liable | !ask |
| 13:28.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:28.26 | Ronin | umm ok Lone_Wanderer |
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| 13:28.37 | nicodarious | Sp4rKy sorry, i don't know what dlplay is (although i assume some kind of multimedia player) so i couldn't help you with that question |
| 13:28.46 | Lone_Wanderer | djplay I think it was |
| 13:28.52 | sep | Sp4rKy, dont expect answers to poll questions (who uses x) ask a real question instead |
| 13:28.55 | sep | !ask |
| 13:28.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:29.06 | Sp4rKy | k, so |
| 13:29.22 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a way to save the content of all startup messages into a file? I don't mean what dmesg stores, I mean the content of the buffer. |
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| 13:29.39 | Sp4rKy | i've a problem with djplay compilation, i've tried many thing but now i've this errorr: mp3map.h:4: error: extra qualification ‘Mp3Map::’ on member ‘Mp3Map’ |
| 13:29.39 | liable | fantomas: /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 13:29.56 | Sp4rKy | i've installed all dependencies |
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| 13:31.33 | fantomas | liable: heh, true, thanks ) |
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| 13:31.47 | liable | fantomas: you can also stop boot with ^S and start again with ^Q and pageup whilst stopped |
| 13:31.48 | zeroflag | are there packages for setting up apache with mod_mono? (and does ubuntu use the same atp-get system as the classical debian?) |
| 13:32.03 | zeroflag | and what apache should I use? |
| 13:32.35 | liable | hehe, classical debian? |
| 13:32.44 | Ronin | cool we're a classic now |
| 13:33.09 | zeroflag | well, the one that's not being messed with. :P |
| 13:33.12 | liable | read: old farts |
| 13:33.37 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:33.38 | zeroflag | I have a "real" debian on my server but a ubuntu installation at home... |
| 13:33.55 | zeroflag | so I wanted to know if I can try things out in ubuntu before I do the same to the debian system... |
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| 13:34.13 | Ronin | zeroflag: who knows, they are different distros after all, it may or may not work on both |
| 13:34.27 | zeroflag | well, they do have apt-get afaik. |
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| 13:35.30 | zeroflag | Apache 1.3.37 |
| 13:35.33 | zeroflag | >_< |
| 13:35.55 | jetscreamer | you can't mix ubuntu and debian sources one will break the other... if that helps |
| 13:35.57 | az | I've got a Debian Linux (sarge) install , i've got 64bit files and a 64bit platform and i'm pretty sure i've compiled the kernel with 64bit support. Could someone tell me how i can check this/ |
| 13:36.02 | fantomas | After installing etch I got notice at startup: /etc/network/options is deprecated. So, what is debian way now? |
| 13:36.03 | zeroflag | so, what would you suggest? apache 1.x or 2.x? |
| 13:36.24 | jetscreamer | az: i think there's a #debian-64 but i'm not sure about the name of the channel |
| 13:36.24 | az | can someone please tell me how i can check what arch my kernel has been intalled with.. |
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| 13:36.29 | enouf | fantomas: ignore it |
| 13:36.50 | jetscreamer | as uname -a ? not sure |
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| 13:36.58 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/version ? |
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| 13:37.16 | jetscreamer | err s/as/az/ |
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| 13:37.36 | az | Linux version 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp (buildd@athlon) (gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.1-9)) |
| 13:37.44 | liable | i have a figernail stuck under my shift key.. :( |
| 13:37.51 | az | w00t, ok so why the hell aren't these 64bit files working. |
| 13:37.54 | fantomas | enouf: okay, just wonder where to set ip_forward otherwise (except of echo'ing to /proc-stuff directly) |
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| 13:39.46 | enouf | fantomas: no clue, but I get that error at startup as well and have no networking issues ... |
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| 13:39.58 | nicodarious | liable: GOOD NEWS!!! i went into the expert mode (oh and the new GUI insterface for the installer is VERY nice. i like the whole 'point-n-click thing when installing) and it loaded the sata_nv drivers and saw the drives! i got my 680 GB back! w00t! :-D |
| 13:40.16 | enouf | dude |
| 13:40.17 | liable | nicodarious: sweet |
| 13:40.32 | az | jetscreamer: i'm trying to execute a 64bit game file called (steam) however it's telling me the file doesn't exist. |
| 13:40.36 | quitte | is there an alternative to root on nfs if i want my root fs from a fileserver? |
| 13:40.46 | nicodarious | thanks for your help and guiadance, liable and enouf. you both have been a great help! |
| 13:40.50 | az | I'm logged in under the appropriate username and i've chowned and chmoded the file with the appropriate options. |
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| 13:40.55 | jetscreamer | az |
| 13:41.05 | az | do you want me to change my nick? |
| 13:41.05 | az | hehe |
| 13:41.07 | jetscreamer | all i know ... i have an old cpu :( |
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| 13:41.27 | liable | az: as i have said a couple of times, paste ls -l and the command and output to a paster... |
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| 13:41.29 | jetscreamer | !64 |
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| 13:41.31 | enouf | !pony liable |
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| 13:41.36 | jetscreamer | !g4-bit |
| 13:41.39 | jetscreamer | err |
| 13:41.41 | jetscreamer | fuggit |
| 13:41.52 | enouf | az isn't steam a windows thing? |
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| 13:42.03 | azure | liable: the output is a generalised error and doesn't give anything specific, i don't believe a paster? would help |
| 13:42.17 | azure | neither does logging it. |
| 13:42.32 | enouf | !AMD64 |
| 13:42.33 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:42.56 | nicodarious | umm.. on question though, and i know that this is more of a poll than anything, but it's been bugging me and i want to ask the public of what they think |
| 13:43.09 | liable | azure: well, if the file exists, then i want to see how you are calling it, because obviously, *something* is wrong... |
| 13:43.21 | nicodarious | what would be better for debian as far as keeping up with data transfer and security: ext2/3 or reiserfs? |
| 13:43.33 | azure | liable: ok, gimme two secs. |
| 13:43.39 | enouf | azure: isn't steam a windows thing? |
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| 13:44.08 | nicodarious | enouf: steam is a windows thing as far as i know. it's used to run games like halflife2 and all. |
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| 13:45.41 | enouf | nicodarious: Ok .. but what does it actually do? allow online gaming partners and such or provide no-cd play, or... I'm trying to figure why would it be ported to nix |
| 13:45.45 | amc | can anyone tell me how to check how much disk space leaves me on a ftp account with lftp? |
| 13:46.31 | nicodarious | enouf: ported to nix? really? didn't know that was happening.. of course i'm not much of a gamer and the games that i DO play i play through cedega. |
| 13:46.40 | azure | enouf: nah, it' has a nix* release as well. |
| 13:46.59 | enouf | azure: ahh .. ok then -- as you were |
| 13:47.06 | nicodarious | enouf: as far as the steam goes, again, i don't know what it's supposed to do. it MIGHT be a no-cd online play, but i know that it costs money though. |
| 13:47.34 | enouf | nicodarious : definitely a windows thing! |
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| 13:48.12 | enouf | ported or not |
| 13:48.17 | nicodarious | my friend plays halflife2 with steam and he says that he pays to play it. don't know how much, but he also says it's a dynamic type of game. says that they update the games and change them with new patches and whatnot every so often |
| 13:48.20 | enouf | :-) |
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| 13:48.33 | nicodarious | and i agree. it's definitly a windows thing! |
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| 13:49.13 | nicodarious | whoever makes halflife is trying to take up another portion o fthe industry by porting to linux i guess, which isn't a bad thing. |
| 13:49.18 | enouf | I recall hearing about windows being rootkitted by those things so as to stop the hackers from creating massive bot cans that kill you dead in game play ...aka Cheating |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | #debian ? |
| 13:49.36 | nicodarious | i wish more game makers did that, so that the gamers that hate windows could play their games on Linux. |
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| 13:49.42 | KermitTheFragger | Does anybody know if there is an issue with the placing the dummy interface in a bridge ? |
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| 13:49.51 | enouf | #debian-ames? |
| 13:49.57 | enouf | games* |
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| 13:50.00 | azure | liable: paster? |
| 13:50.24 | KermitTheFragger | I placed it in a bridge but according to tcpdump it doesnt recieve any packets from the other interfaces in the bridge |
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| 13:50.38 | KermitTheFragger | no arp, no nothing |
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| 13:50.48 | nicodarious | enouf: WOW that's a DEAD room! |
| 13:51.03 | nicodarious | enouf: a whole 2 people, that's including ME! lol |
| 13:51.05 | enouf | never heard of it :-p |
| 13:51.21 | nicodarious | the channel #debian-games? |
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| 13:51.31 | nicodarious | thought you were pointing me to it lol |
| 13:51.36 | nicodarious | so i joined rofl |
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| 13:52.24 | nicodarious | thought that's where they all hung out. either way, i have a question about ext3 and reiserfs. what would be better and more stable and the least extensive on my system? |
| 13:52.38 | enouf | perhaps azure (aka 'az') can access a #steam-linux channel |
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| 13:52.51 | enouf | nicodarious: ext3 |
| 13:53.04 | zirikili | hi guys. I get this error when try to install apache "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". what can I do to fix it? |
| 13:53.05 | KermitTheFragger | correct that last statement, the dummy device recieves the arp requests, but doesnt reply :( |
| 13:53.23 | enouf | nicodarious: better (and more) tools when things go wrong |
| 13:53.24 | siratik000 | Can anyone point to a resource for tutorials out there for optimizing lamp on debian? |
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| 13:53.36 | enouf | nicodarious: stable |
| 13:53.37 | Owner | Are you tired of staring at Playboy trying to cause erection? |
| 13:53.46 | nicodarious | enouf: really. ok, will install on a ext3 filesystem then. |
| 13:54.48 | nicodarious | enouf: tried the reiserfs with Mandriva and it saved me 28 GB worth of info with reiserfsck when i got an error on my home partition. i'll have to learn ext3 tools though. |
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| 13:55.39 | nicodarious | i'm sure that ext3 has similar tools that i can use to rescue data in case of a power outage (which happens refularly here in Korea) |
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| 13:56.12 | enouf | nicodarious: look around and read up -- i guess it may depend upon versions too reiserfs 3.x vs 4.0, but tghe choice is ultimately yours - if you're ok with it than go for it ;-) |
| 13:57.19 | enouf | nicodarious: ext3 is just ext2 w/journaling |
| 13:57.40 | nicodarious | well, i understand that the choice is mine and all, but i wanted to know what others use also.. to see if anyone else has had good/bad things to say about either ext or reiserfs.... i know, it's more of a poll, but i am trying to decide. |
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| 13:58.07 | enouf | !fs war |
| 13:58.15 | enouf | !war fs |
| 13:58.20 | enouf | drats |
| 13:58.22 | nicodarious | ROFL |
| 13:58.27 | spldart | Is spyware/malware pretty much a non issue for linux/mozilla users? |
| 13:58.50 | nicodarious | spldart: as far as i have seen, it isn't an issue |
| 13:59.08 | nicodarious | not with linux. that's a M$ thing as far as i know. |
| 13:59.22 | spldart | sweet... manager here bunked his windows install again and I'm here giggling from debian |
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| 13:59.57 | nicodarious | *giggles like a school girl* |
| 14:00.00 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.31 | nicodarious | doublehp: is that a capability? i've never heard of that. g/l! |
| 14:00.37 | enouf | spldart - there are ALWAYS security concerns - especially if windows pc's are on the LAN - and even more so if mail is being thrown around - but no in general for linux systems - yet again security holes do occur and whe found are patched |
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| 14:01.27 | spldart | I'm the only dual boot @ work and the rest are win98, win2k and winxp machines |
| 14:01.37 | spldart | I'm winXPPro and Debian |
| 14:01.51 | spldart | I'm almost exclusively on Debian though |
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| 14:02.22 | epsilon | try VMWare instead dualboot |
| 14:02.37 | spldart | Had considered that |
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| 14:03.29 | enouf | spldart - exploits found in mozilla / firefox can effect all OSes those apps run on - it depends what that exploit is |
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| 14:04.34 | spldart | I need to run an update/upgrade sometime soon :-/ |
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| 14:05.50 | enouf | spldart - what version of deb? and do you have the secrity.debian.org repos in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 14:05.57 | enouf | security* |
| 14:06.18 | spldart | yep security in sources.list :) |
| 14:06.26 | Hoxzer_ | what security repo does? |
| 14:06.42 | enouf | gives security updates ofcourse "-) |
| 14:06.54 | enouf | Repository = repo |
| 14:06.56 | Hoxzer_ | Hmmm njaah |
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| 14:07.11 | spldart | netinst 3.1 sarge a while back and kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 14:07.24 | enouf | Hoxzer : you ok man ? ehehehe |
| 14:07.26 | spldart | gnome mozilla/epiphany for browsing |
| 14:07.41 | spldart | although most of my machines are fluxbox |
| 14:07.51 | Hoxzer_ | enouf: no, I'm not ok, My school just starteed |
| 14:07.53 | xst | In the rsync man page I can see, that the filter rules understands preceding "+" and "-" for determining include- and exclude rules. Can I somehow input a single file with this content instead of both an include (--include-from) and exclude (--exclude-from) file? |
| 14:07.58 | Hoxzer_ | AARGH I cannot stands early wake ups |
| 14:08.13 | enouf | !greet Hoxzer_ |
| 14:08.13 | dpkg | Hi there, Hoxzer_ |
| 14:08.24 | Hoxzer_ | Like they force you to wake up so that you are tirend enought not to learn anything |
| 14:08.28 | Hoxzer_ | I dont understand the point |
| 14:08.33 | enouf | !comfort Hoxzer |
| 14:08.33 | dpkg | There, there, Hoxzer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:08.34 | Hoxzer_ | during summer you alright to learn |
| 14:08.43 | Hoxzer_ | but them ... school starts you are too sleepy |
| 14:08.58 | Hoxzer_ | you fall into this coma |
| 14:09.08 | Hoxzer_ | and then you make mistakes |
| 14:09.24 | Hoxzer_ | and as I'm the silent guy everybody thinks I'm wierd if I do some mistake |
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| 14:09.32 | nicodarious | man i can't wait to get this up and runing! *gets giddy on thinking about his new Debian Machine!* |
| 14:09.50 | Hoxzer_ | :/ I ran my debian on HTPC |
| 14:09.53 | Hoxzer_ | works pretty fine |
| 14:10.12 | liable | Hoxzer_: welcome to life, you only have another ~40 years of getting up when you dont want to :P |
| 14:10.37 | enouf | <-- ingests preferred drugs of choice <jk> especially after hearing liable's comments |
| 14:10.47 | Hoxzer_ | Yeah, life sucks |
| 14:11.00 | Hoxzer_ | Then in my school every girls looks so sexy :/ |
| 14:11.11 | Hoxzer_ | and then I just lock my eyes on them |
| 14:11.17 | Hoxzer_ | they must think I'm perverted |
| 14:11.21 | Hoxzer_ | but what can man do |
| 14:11.40 | enouf | on topic youngun |
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| 14:12.23 | Tap-Out | you mean you're not perverted?? LOL |
| 14:12.32 | Hoxzer_ | :D |
| 14:12.42 | Hoxzer_ | but ok, lets stay on the topic |
| 14:12.54 | Katai | xD |
| 14:13.55 | RvGaTe | Is there actually a page that shows the risks of ports being open? |
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| 14:15.19 | epsilon | ports aren't dangerous. the daemon listening on ports may be dangerous |
| 14:15.24 | enouf | 65536 |
| 14:16.05 | ArmEagle | hmm.. i'm using NFS for the first time (used shfs before). And just noticed i have different uid's for the same user on server&client. |
| 14:16.12 | ArmEagle | so i thought i'd try ugidd. |
| 14:16.19 | ArmEagle | but i cant find any help on how to configure that |
| 14:16.23 | stew | RvGaTe: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 14:16.44 | enouf | RvGaTe: you want to check your Stealthiness through a website ? try grc.com - choose ShieldUp - ignore the spinrite stuff |
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| 14:17.26 | cr3 | is there a way to determine the GMT offset for a state from the command line? |
| 14:17.33 | RvGaTe | enouf, i want to convince my co-worker to lock his server down... |
| 14:18.01 | Lone_Wanderer | RvGaTe: crack it and delete everything on it |
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| 14:18.11 | spldart | lol |
| 14:18.18 | Lone_Wanderer | That'd ought to be a convincing argument. |
| 14:18.35 | jbaloul | hi all...was wondering, i need to run cups on a user-level, something like a jail in the user home direcoty, completely non-dependant of the system wide cups...can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 14:19.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Can someone point me to an apt-get tutorial? |
| 14:19.24 | eifzon | how do i get fluxbox to debian? :) |
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| 14:19.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, I've googled. No, I did not find the answer to my question. |
| 14:19.34 | enouf | man apt |
| 14:19.46 | Tap-Out | man apt-get ? |
| 14:19.46 | name | enouf: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 14:19.52 | name | eifzon: |
| 14:19.56 | eifzon | kk |
| 14:20.01 | name | how else o.O |
| 14:20.02 | eifzon | is fluxbox as gnome or kde/xdm? |
| 14:20.03 | enouf | name : for ? |
| 14:20.06 | eifzon | io:O |
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| 14:20.27 | name | eifzon: dont use that crappy login managers, what for? |
| 14:20.28 | spldart | get x use xdm put flux on top |
| 14:20.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Ooohhh. |
| 14:20.39 | Lone_Wanderer | It looks like apt-cache dump was what I wanted. Sort of. |
| 14:20.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Now is there a way to make it list only packages that nothing depends on, so I know what I can nuke? |
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| 14:21.22 | ArmEagle | so, any tips on ugidd configuration? |
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| 14:21.52 | jbevren | so when will the bug in reportbug be fixed? :( |
| 14:21.58 | ArmEagle | .or else an easy way to change the uid of a user, without requiring that user to stop all processes? |
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| 14:22.08 | jbevren | Connecting to master.debian.org via SMTP... |
| 14:22.09 | jbevren | SMTP send failure: (111, 'Connection refused') |
| 14:22.12 | jbevren | where to send reports? :) |
| 14:22.34 | enouf | Lord_Wanderer: um ..if you don't want an app and want all pieces (including config files) - you 'apt-get --purge remove <packagename>' |
| 14:22.46 | enouf | all pieces removed* |
| 14:22.58 | stew | jbevren: email them to postmaster@master.debian.org :P |
| 14:23.12 | jbevren | stew: thanks :) |
| 14:23.17 | Lone_Wanderer | enouf: well, I've been fiddling with my system for a few days, installing lots of things and then going backwards and undoing them. |
| 14:23.30 | enouf | Lord_Wanderer: man aptitude - as it has better dependency handling but I don't know it that well |
| 14:23.31 | Lone_Wanderer | now I've got the things I want working, but I'm sure there's stuff I left in there that I forgot to remove, you know? |
| 14:23.40 | blondie | stew: that won't work |
| 14:23.42 | Lone_Wanderer | (It's Lone_ by the way. Not that it matters.) |
| 14:24.12 | enouf | Lone_Wanderer: whoops - apologieas |
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| 14:24.17 | Lone_Wanderer | No worries. |
| 14:24.27 | Thomy | Hi all. |
| 14:24.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Hello. |
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| 14:25.39 | jbevren | Before I submit, can anyone reproduce an issue in mozilla-firefox? launch a new browser, press ctrl-f (find), hit esc, press ctrl-f again. Then, try to use the browser. |
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| 14:25.59 | jbevren | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20060629 Firefox/1.0.4 (Debian package 1.0.4-2sarge9) is my version |
| 14:26.59 | jbevren | oh, have to type somethign on the second search (anything will do) |
| 14:27.04 | _xXx_ | algun latino por el set |
| 14:27.34 | enouf | Lone_Wanderer: use 'dpkg -l | grep ^i > installedpkgs.list' to print a file called that name containing all installed pkgs use 'dpkg -l | grep ^i | less' to view and scroll 'q' ro quit |
| 14:27.45 | enouf | q to quit |
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| 14:28.57 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet, thanks |
| 14:28.58 | stew | enouf: you really want "grep ^.i" or else you will miss packages which are on hold, and possibly get some which were requested to be installed but not yet installed |
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| 14:29.08 | tralala | do I need any entries in /dev given that I use udev? |
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| 14:29.25 | stew | tralala: you need them, and udev will create and remove them for you |
| 14:29.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh man. Lots of packages. |
| 14:29.38 | Lone_Wanderer | And no way of knowing which ones I can nuke. |
| 14:29.51 | enouf | stew: thanks for that -- I completely forgot - wonder how to do that in aptitude ..hmmm |
| 14:30.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Well at least I've got a list of them now. |
| 14:30.14 | tralala | stew: I mean anything created with mknod. I have a fully populated /dev which I want to purge. Is this going to break the booting of the system? |
| 14:30.32 | stew | enouf: aptitude search "~i" |
| 14:30.33 | enouf | Lone_Wanderer: see stews post about grep ^.i |
| 14:30.38 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, I got it |
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| 14:30.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, my little sister is up |
| 14:31.01 | stew | tralala: anything you create with mknod will disappear the next time udev starts |
| 14:31.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I get to go yell at her for letting a virus onto the system now |
| 14:31.03 | enouf | srew : thanks again ... |
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| 14:31.12 | enouf | ...stew* |
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| 14:32.28 | tralala | stew: /dev was populated before I started using udev so it occupies plenty of space of the fs. Can I safely free this space or there are some entries needed before udev takes on? |
| 14:32.30 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks guys for the help |
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| 14:33.54 | enouf | stew: any difference between "~i" and just ~i (no quotes) - seems the same to me |
| 14:33.58 | stew | tralala: you don't want to delete your static /dev if that is what you mean. how much space is it really using? |
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| 14:34.46 | stew | enouf: that depends on your shell, and possibly whether or not you have a user named "i" on the system. some shells would expand that to /home/i no matter what, maybe some only would if a user named i exists |
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| 14:35.35 | tralala | stew: yes, exactly. I suppose it's using a lot - it has hundreds of entries on an ext3 fs. |
| 14:35.56 | enouf | stew: thank you for clarifying - so always better to say to another "~i" just in case ? |
| 14:36.18 | stew | enouf: or \~i |
| 14:36.26 | ArmEagle_ | hmm oops. router refused to keep working. |
| 14:36.38 | stew | tralala: i can't imagine a directory entry is much |
| 14:37.03 | enouf | stew ...aha - ...nice -- must go read more about shells |
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| 14:38.02 | enouf | stew ... the backslash escapes .. yes ? |
| 14:38.02 | Jy | whats the dpkg command to list the contents of an installed package |
| 14:38.13 | tralala | stew: I can only tell that once I delete them. The question is do you think any of them are needed to boot? |
| 14:38.25 | zamuro | Jy: dpkg -L package |
| 14:38.52 | Jy | thanks |
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| 14:40.04 | stew | tralala: yes, i think some are needed to boot |
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| 14:40.47 | tralala | stew: ok, thank you |
| 14:40.57 | stew | tralala: it looks like a directory entry is 267 bytes |
| 14:41.34 | stew | + 1 block i guess |
| 14:42.12 | tralala | is this another 4k? |
| 14:42.27 | enouf | zamuro: why would pkgs such as 'kde' kdebase, kde-core show only a few files for each ? iit's only showing the /usr, /usr/share, /usr/share/doc stuff |
| 14:42.46 | enouf | zamuro: using dpkg -L |
| 14:43.34 | enouf | goes off to read the man dpkg pages again |
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| 14:44.15 | tralala | yep, it's 4k in my case |
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| 14:45.18 | TonyRad | I'm having an issue with my Debian box where I have been running out of disk space. Mostly due to log files. (Small hard drive). I was wondering if there was a way to sort through and find where my larger files were? |
| 14:45.34 | stew | tralala: i'm not sure i understand how devices are stored |
| 14:45.42 | tralala | TonyRad: find -size (man find) |
| 14:46.01 | stew | TonyRad: cd /var/ ; du -ks * | sort -n |
| 14:46.22 | TonyRad | Cool |
| 14:46.23 | stew | TonyRad: replace /var/ with whatever directory you want to start from, that will list the largest directory or file, then drill down |
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| 14:46.39 | tralala | stew: anyhow I will find it out by backing them up and removing them |
| 14:46.42 | stew | well not the largest, but all sorted from small to big |
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| 14:47.05 | ArmEagle_ | hmm i personally use 'mc' to find large dirs.. |
| 14:47.08 | cr3 | how does debian know the options necessary to automatically mount my usb drive? |
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| 14:47.43 | tralala | cr3: does it mount it? |
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| 14:48.13 | M0E-lnx | is there a command I can issue, to see which users are logged in? |
| 14:48.18 | cr3 | tralala: yes, with a bunch of options. I would like to modify one of these options: noexec |
| 14:48.19 | petemc | w |
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| 14:48.40 | tralala | M0E-lnx: who and w |
| 14:49.10 | jetx | how do you install debian to an hd that you are going to move to another computer. the other computer doesn't have net or a cdrom. |
| 14:49.21 | M0E-lnx | To see uses logged into this debian box... looking for remote connections |
| 14:49.32 | tralala | cr3: I suppose you're using usbmount, right? |
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| 14:49.54 | MtJB | is etch the next version of debian, or just the installer for it? |
| 14:50.01 | jetx | version |
| 14:50.04 | MtJB | tks |
| 14:50.05 | tralala | M0E-lnx: ssh remote-box who |
| 14:50.11 | stew | MtJB: the next version, /msg dpkg releases |
| 14:50.30 | jetx | !install |
| 14:50.30 | M0E-lnx | thanks |
| 14:50.31 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 14:51.44 | jetx | fuggin boot floppies i guess :( |
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| 14:51.55 | jetx | thank you oh everhelpful |
| 14:52.05 | jetx | !lart stoned |
| 14:52.05 | stew | jetx: you should be able to just install normally in another machinee |
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| 14:52.33 | stew | jetx: you just might need to patch up the boot loader if you are installing it as /dev/hdc but it would be /dev/hda in the target system for instance |
| 14:52.38 | cr3 | tralala: it's being mounted automatically, so I'm not quite sure what I'm using. however, I can tell you that the usbmount package is not installed. |
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| 14:52.58 | jetx | stew you mean install on this box, then change fstab and lilo.conf... or grub whatever |
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| 14:53.23 | stew | jetx: yes |
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| 14:54.01 | jetx | ah cool wonder why i didn't think of that.. i've moved hd's before. just not to a different box |
| 14:54.08 | tralala | cr3: are you running sarge? |
| 14:54.15 | jetx | !stew++ |
| 14:54.44 | jetx | thanks |
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| 14:55.10 | ro3 | i have kde running on my normal 0 display (TTY7), but i want gnome to run on tty8, i can get a Xserver to start on tty8, but how do i start gnome on there? |
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| 14:56.59 | Joelio | hi guys. just got a new dedicated server (AMD64) running etch.. is it worth/possible migrating to dapper (or is that a dirty word around here?) |
| 14:57.14 | ro3 | heh, i run da[[er |
| 14:57.17 | ro3 | *apper |
| 14:57.19 | ro3 | **dapper |
| 14:57.21 | petemc | Joelio: people in #debian generally advocate debain |
| 14:57.27 | tralala | Joelio: highly unlikely |
| 14:57.29 | petemc | gah |
| 14:58.05 | Joelio | petemc> I wanted to use Sarge mate, but the hardware support was insufficient |
| 14:58.17 | petemc | Joelio: there are ways around that |
| 14:58.22 | enouf | zamuro: duh -- using 'apt-cache show <packagename>' or 'apt-cache showpkg <packagename>' will list all the the dependencies atleast - and show will place 'available version above installed (if any - for comparison) and I found 'dpkg -c /path/to/file.deb' will list the the contents of said package .. 'dpkg -L .deb' does basically the same, but anyway I was using the wrong names -- 'kdebase-bin' is a much larger package than the others I men |
| 14:58.22 | enouf | earlier - oh well |
| 14:58.54 | Joelio | petemc> can i dist-upgrade down to sarge do you think? |
| 14:59.03 | zamuro | enouf: Oh, OK... Cool :) |
| 14:59.12 | petemc | Joelio: thats a downgrade, and probably not |
| 14:59.20 | M0E-lnx | how about on localhost |
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| 14:59.46 | M0E-lnx | how can I see which users are logged in if I'm on the server, and other guys connect to this one? |
| 15:00.04 | SlammerXP | M0E-lnx: "w" |
| 15:00.15 | Joelio | I'm not really happy about running on etch to be honest, do you think it's stable enough for production (although not *that* important production environment.. but I'd like the box to stay up!) |
| 15:00.18 | cr3 | tralala: sarge, but I didn't configure the machine. perhaps I should ask the person who configured it, if only I could reach him :( |
| 15:00.23 | tralala | M0E-lnx: it's always who or w on the machine in question |
| 15:00.33 | M0E-lnx | thanks |
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| 15:01.00 | stew | Joelio: its not appropriate for an internet facing server unless you are prepared to be informed about and know how to fix security problems as they arise |
| 15:01.13 | tralala | cr3: would you describe exactly how does the automounting work for you? |
| 15:01.14 | azure | Hey, guys. I'm trying to execute a file called steam on a amd64 bit system and i've installed the right amd64bit kernel support, however it says that the file doesn't exist even though it does. |
| 15:01.25 | azure | no one in debian-amd64 is awake either :( |
| 15:01.47 | stew | azure: the file exists but when you try to run it it says that it doesn't exist? |
| 15:02.03 | tralala | azure: try ./filename |
| 15:02.15 | M0E-lnx | what does pts/0 and tty1 mean? |
| 15:02.25 | Joelio | stew: I'm pretty adempt at staying on top of that.. but I don't know enough about the release cycle for security pathces et al on etch. I take it there's some extra legwork involced? |
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| 15:03.48 | azure | tralala: it just stipulates that the file doesn't exist, however it's their and all permissions on the file is set appropriately |
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| 15:04.29 | tralala | azure: perhaps you're missing some shared libs. Try ldd ./filename |
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| 15:05.29 | azure | tralala: -rwxr-xr-x 1 teamfata teamfata 7963393 2006-02-28 15:33 steam |
| 15:05.40 | azure | -su: ./steam: No such file or directory |
| 15:05.56 | tralala | ok, try ldd now |
| 15:06.14 | azure | ldd: missing file arguments |
| 15:06.24 | tralala | ldd ./steam |
| 15:06.29 | azure | oh sorry |
| 15:06.41 | azure | ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127) |
| 15:06.57 | azure | . /usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory |
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| 15:07.11 | azure | what does ldd do? |
| 15:07.12 | tralala | uh?!? |
| 15:07.29 | dbe_ | azeem, Checking modules |
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| 15:07.35 | tralala | this can't be true |
| 15:07.54 | azure | Linux version 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp (buildd@athlon) (gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.1-9)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 28 02:57:49 CEST 2005 |
| 15:08.00 | tralala | azure: it checks for lib dependancies |
| 15:08.09 | azure | ahh ok, i will take note of that now. |
| 15:08.28 | tralala | but without ld-linux *nothing* will work |
| 15:08.33 | azure | my cpu is amd64 bit and as you can see by the above line my kernel is setup correctly. |
| 15:08.48 | tralala | are you sure steam is a 64bit binary? |
| 15:08.55 | minerale | I'm looking at config files, they contain a lot of #'s and empty lines, is there an easer way than doing cat file.conf | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ |
| 15:09.07 | azure | tralala: how can i check? |
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| 15:09.55 | cahoot | minerale: egrep -v '#|^$' maybe |
| 15:10.19 | cahoot | minerale: egrep -v '#|^$' 'file' |
| 15:10.30 | minerale | that's batter, thanks |
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| 15:10.45 | alephant | Hey all |
| 15:10.59 | minerale | what is the difference between grep and egrep, cahoot |
| 15:11.04 | alephant | is it possible to create a new raid array with an existing drive without losing the data on that drive? |
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| 15:11.11 | cahoot | minerale: nfi |
| 15:11.14 | daxxar | egrep is extended, supports more regex, afaik |
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| 15:11.24 | alephant | i.e. the server has only one hdd but we want to migrate to raid, but without reinstalling if possible |
| 15:11.25 | daxxar | egrep is usually the same as grep -E |
| 15:11.29 | alephant | is that at all doable? |
| 15:11.31 | daxxar | man grep to see info. ;) |
| 15:11.54 | azure | tralala: do you know how i can check to see if the file is 64bit? |
| 15:11.56 | alephant | for example just changing the partition type & then adding it to md0 |
| 15:12.01 | cahoot | minerale: was just handing over something I picked up from someone else |
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| 15:12.17 | azure | or can we make the system use 32bit and 64bit arch? |
| 15:12.20 | xst | Normally I will not allow root login through ssh but in a backup script I need rsync to login as root automatically through some "authorized_keys" stuff or similar. How can I permit rsync on my specific host access but deny root login from all others? |
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| 15:12.42 | azure | so that applications that are true 64bit will run as well as applications that are executed in 32bit mode but establish a 64bit instance... |
| 15:13.06 | azure | or have i lost the plot? |
| 15:13.06 | startxwhite | i am running sarge on a P266 laptop and want to transfer files from a 40 gig *desktop* hard disk using a usb to ide cable that supports 3.5 inch hard disks. however, i can not mount the thing. can anyone help? |
| 15:13.07 | azure | hehe |
| 15:13.21 | hjubal | hola * |
| 15:13.22 | flixil__ | azure: i'm not an expert but in kernel there is an option to activate 32 bits emulation |
| 15:13.36 | vuud | Is there way to tell X which head is the "default"? |
| 15:13.39 | tralala | azure: try to run it on a 32bit system |
| 15:13.58 | azure | flixil__: if i can avoid rebuilding our kernel that would be great. I have a fair few critical procs running on this machine. |
| 15:14.03 | tralala | azure: there is a howto for amd64 which covers 32bit chroot for running 32bit apps |
| 15:14.10 | vuud | Or even tell GDM which head to display on? |
| 15:14.21 | azure | tralala: hmmm, that might be of interest. Have you a location? |
| 15:15.08 | tralala | azure: no, but it's at a mere google distance |
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| 15:15.28 | azure | ta |
| 15:15.49 | M0E-lnx | hey, If nmap <myipathome> shows port XX closed |
| 15:15.58 | M0E-lnx | does that mean I can't use that port to connect to it? |
| 15:16.36 | tralala | M0E-lnx: it does |
| 15:16.53 | M0E-lnx | So if the port is closed, I can't connect? |
| 15:17.07 | alephant | correct |
| 15:17.11 | M0E-lnx | crap |
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| 15:17.35 | alephant | note that it's possible the nmap is wrong :-) |
| 15:17.53 | nakeee | anyone knows which file I need to copy to get udev to create /dev/discs/ and not only /dev/hda? |
| 15:17.55 | alephant | what scan type did you use? |
| 15:18.06 | M0E-lnx | just nmap |
| 15:18.09 | tralala | M0E-lnx: on the bright side - noone else can |
| 15:18.12 | alephant | command line? |
| 15:18.16 | M0E-lnx | yes |
| 15:18.18 | alephant | (mask the IP please) |
| 15:18.25 | alephant | no, I mean paste the command line please |
| 15:18.40 | M0E-lnx | nmask ip |
| 15:18.45 | M0E-lnx | i mena |
| 15:18.47 | M0E-lnx | nmap ip |
| 15:19.22 | alephant | ok, that should be accurate :-D |
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| 15:19.38 | alephant | what service are you checking for? |
| 15:19.45 | M0E-lnx | ssh |
| 15:19.59 | alephant | yeah, you're locked out :-/ |
| 15:20.24 | abrotman | might need a -P0 |
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| 15:20.39 | M0E-lnx | I get this: |
| 15:20.40 | M0E-lnx | (The 1661 ports scanned but not shown bellow are in state: closed) |
| 15:20.40 | M0E-lnx | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 15:20.40 | M0E-lnx | 22/tcp filtered ssh |
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| 15:20.45 | alephant | oops |
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| 15:21.08 | alephant | abrotman - well, he wasn't blocked by -P0 >:-D |
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| 15:21.16 | abrotman | luckily debhelper got him! |
| 15:21.21 | M0E-lnx | crap |
| 15:21.39 | M0E-lnx | So I'm locked out heh |
| 15:21.42 | alephant | yup |
| 15:21.51 | M0E-lnx | how do I open this damn port back upt? |
| 15:22.03 | alephant | time to fake a migraine, go home & fiddle w/ the firewall |
| 15:22.05 | M0E-lnx | it was open yesterday |
| 15:22.13 | M0E-lnx | lol |
| 15:22.18 | alephant | Do you have a static IP at home? |
| 15:22.21 | M0E-lnx | no |
| 15:22.33 | alephant | do you have dynamic DNS properly setup? |
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| 22:33.23 | SevenIsPrime | JordiGH: Well, better get used to doing it again, look at the dates of the packages in texlive :( |
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| 22:34.11 | Trewas | Presently42: a bit of googling seems to suggest that -lowlat version was removed, "rm lowlat, no usecase for now." |
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| 22:34.13 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 22:34.14 | yassine | hi |
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| 22:34.19 | yassine | you got a DELL ?? you are in HELL : http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32550 |
| 22:34.23 | SevenIsPrime | JordiGH: texlive-base-bin: 2005.dsfg.1-1 |
| 22:34.38 | SevenIsPrime | JordiGH: And that is from the "unstable" branch! |
| 22:34.40 | dazjorz | What's the latest kernel version in Testing? |
| 22:34.41 | JordiGH | Hm, was there an issue with dfsg? |
| 22:34.45 | Presently42 | Trewas: Ah. Alright, thank you kindly for your informative responses. Good evening. |
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| 22:35.10 | Hotwire | yassine: _old_ news |
| 22:35.25 | SevenIsPrime | JordiGH: Probably with some of the LaTeX packages. |
| 22:35.37 | SevenIsPrime | JordiGH: dfsg are rather strict ... |
| 22:35.50 | yassine | Hotwire, the new thing about that is that now they know that those battery are made by al-kaida :) |
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| 22:36.19 | JonJ | Could someone help me with making a ramdisk for my custom kernel? I have successfully compiled the .deb file, but it fails on boot(unable to mount root filesystem), and I used the config file from the stock kernel, only difference is added support for bootsplash. I added all ide/pata/sata stuff to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules what more is needed? |
| 22:36.27 | JordiGH | SevenIsPrime: For Your Own Protection. ;-) |
| 22:36.37 | dazjorz | dpkg: help |
| 22:37.12 | SevenIsPrime | JordiGH: Whatever it is. The situation for LaTeX users under Linux is far from ideal. |
| 22:37.25 | SevenIsPrime | JordiGH: The question is what to do about it. |
| 22:37.51 | JordiGH | SevenIsPrime: How many people were working with teTeX? Can't they move to TeXlive and give incremental updates? |
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| 22:39.26 | dazjorz | er |
| 22:39.33 | simonrvn | alkaline batteries are made by al-qaida? WTF |
| 22:39.38 | dazjorz | how do I ask dpkg what the current version of a package in a distribution is? |
| 22:40.07 | naga44 | hi hi...which testing cd iso has the ndiswrapper on it? |
| 22:40.14 | naga44 | for stable it is cd 14 |
| 22:40.18 | jonkri | i want to know what version of c++ that has been used while compiling the libxml++2.6 package for debian testing. how can i look that up? |
| 22:40.19 | dazjorz | JonJ: Read the manpage on mkinitrd |
| 22:40.23 | JordiGH | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 22:40.28 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (Transition package for firefox rename), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 22:40.30 | Rusty1 | dazjorz: dpkg -l packagename |
| 22:40.31 | dazjorz | !info linux-kernel |
| 22:40.41 | dazjorz | Rusty1: .. I mean dpkg, the bot |
| 22:40.42 | simonrvn | i swear, people who talk about terrorists are all too willing to give up their civil liberties for some false sense of security. do they not realise the real enemy is a fascist state, that they now live in? |
| 22:40.50 | dazjorz | Rusty1, I don't have Debian installed yet, waiting for my new hard drive... :( |
| 22:40.53 | JordiGH | !politics |
| 22:40.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 22:41.00 | dazjorz | !info linux-kernel |
| 22:41.05 | dazjorz | !info kernel-headers |
| 22:41.09 | naga44 | simonrvn: you sound like ben franklin |
| 22:41.14 | naga44 | good man |
| 22:41.30 | simonrvn | i'm my own anishnabe |
| 22:41.40 | naga44 | hehe |
| 22:41.42 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:41.47 | JordiGH | dazjorz: You can also /msg dpkg privately. Anything it reads in a /msg it reads as a command. |
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| 22:41.52 | naga44 | none of us are "our own" |
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| 22:42.05 | dazjorz | JordiGH, yeah, doing that now... |
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| 22:42.22 | dazjorz | JordiGH, erm, do you know the package name for the linux kernel in testing? |
| 22:42.30 | naga44 | how would i find out what etch cd has ndiswrapper? |
| 22:42.38 | JordiGH | dazjorz: There's a bazillion different kernels in testing. |
| 22:42.49 | dazjorz | JordiGH, What's the newest one? |
| 22:43.10 | JordiGH | dazjorz: apt-cache search linux |
| 22:43.23 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 22:43.30 | dazjorz | JordiGH, as I said, I don't have debian installed atm, waiting for my new hard drive... |
| 22:43.32 | JordiGH | dazjorz: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 22:43.37 | JordiGH | Oh... |
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| 22:43.55 | Lightkey | debian also has a website |
| 22:44.02 | flixil | Where does gcc by default put all the files used to compile a program? |
| 22:44.04 | stew | dazjorz: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 22:44.13 | JordiGH | dazjorz: Seems to be various differnt flavours of 2.6.17 |
| 22:44.32 | JordiGH | But I'm running mixed testing/unstable... let me apt-cache policy those. |
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| 22:44.44 | Lightkey | where you can search for packages |
| 22:44.58 | jonkri | what version of g++ compiled libxml++2.6? |
| 22:44.59 | dazjorz | stew: still, that doesn't tell me what the newest version is |
| 22:45.06 | dazjorz | JordiGH, 2.6.17 is okay. :) |
| 22:45.09 | dazjorz | that's all I wanted to know |
| 22:45.10 | JordiGH | dazjorz: 2.6.16 in testing. |
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| 22:45.27 | dazjorz | JordiGH, That's.. a bit less okay... |
| 22:45.34 | dazjorz | JordiGH, is there any way I can get 2.6.17 in testing? |
| 22:45.41 | stew | dazjorz: apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:45.46 | SNow | hello everybody, I have forgotten my root password on a box, to which I got physicall access, how could I change it?? |
| 22:45.54 | dazjorz | JordiGH, or do I have to compile it myself? |
| 22:46.01 | simonrvn | naga44: no, we only borrow these bodies we have for a while, then they go back to earth. they're the only thing that can come close to "owning", and even then it's only in passing, like all other things. cycle of life and death never stop. what we make of it while we are here is what counts, and how we treat others. |
| 22:46.02 | stew | SNow: /msg dpkg i forgot root's passwd |
| 22:46.03 | JordiGH | dazjorz: Build it yourself... possibly backports, if you're lucky. :-/ |
| 22:46.05 | stew | err |
| 22:46.08 | stew | SNow: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 22:46.13 | dazjorz | stew: this is the third time i'm saying this, but i don't have debian installed currently, i'm waiting for my new hard drive... |
| 22:46.15 | naga44 | how would i find out what etch cd has ndiswrapper? |
| 22:46.16 | naga44 | hehe |
| 22:46.23 | w00t- | i need root for install tcl true ? |
| 22:46.34 | dazjorz | JordiGH: Ok, thanks |
| 22:46.59 | stew | dazjorz: 2.6.16-2 |
| 22:47.27 | dazjorz | stew: Thanks a bunch :) |
| 22:47.30 | w00t- | i need root for install tcl true ? |
| 22:47.38 | dazjorz | stew: Is there any chance that 2.6.17 will make it to testing soon? |
| 22:47.46 | dazjorz | Or 2.6.18, i saw that came out |
| 22:47.58 | JordiGH | That's kinda weird that you really need 2.6.17 instead of 2.6.16. I wonder what's so critical. |
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| 22:48.36 | dazjorz | JordiGH, The bcm43xx drivers come with 2.6.17 only. |
| 22:48.37 | JordiGH | Wow, someone who actually tracks the lower version numbers in kernels. You don't sound like a kernel hacker, though. |
| 22:48.42 | stew | dazjorz: yes, i believe 2.6.17 is the goal for etch. to find out why it isn't there yet: /msg dpkg why is linux-2.6 not in testing |
| 22:48.49 | simonrvn | that looks like a bot (MeRwEciq`asi) |
| 22:48.49 | dazjorz | Erm |
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| 22:49.27 | dazjorz | JordiGH: Although I probably really need to compile it myself, I need some patches for the drivers |
| 22:49.29 | simonrvn | yes, i do believe it is a bot. it's in #redhat too |
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| 22:49.51 | dazjorz | w00t-: you need root to use apt-get, yes |
| 22:50.01 | w00t- | not with apt-get |
| 22:50.02 | w00t- | ... |
| 22:50.04 | w00t- | wget |
| 22:50.08 | dazjorz | er |
| 22:50.13 | dazjorz | you need root to install packages, yes |
| 22:50.16 | dazjorz | but why do you want to use wget? |
| 22:50.17 | w00t- | oke thx :) |
| 22:50.22 | minerale | where does one see the number of processors in top ? |
| 22:50.34 | x-spec-t | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:51.00 | x-spec-t | use htop, it's sexier |
| 22:51.04 | naga44 | anyone use ndiswrapper and testing ? |
| 22:51.15 | naga44 | i need to know where to find ndiswrapper on all these cds |
| 22:51.51 | dazjorz | what is the recommended Debian way to patch the linux kernel source and compile the kernel after that? |
| 22:51.57 | stew | naga44: get the jigdo files (which are small), and "zless foo.jigdo" to figure out which one contains ndiswrapper |
| 22:52.04 | dazjorz | apt-get install kernel-source-blahblah |
| 22:52.09 | stew | naga44: i would start from the end (it is on the last or second to last cd in sarge) |
| 22:52.10 | dazjorz | and then patch it, and then make-kpkg ? |
| 22:52.12 | naga44 | stew: huh? hehe |
| 22:53.05 | stew | naga44: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/jigdo-cd/ <- the .jigdo files are basically gzipped package lists |
| 22:53.30 | JordiGH | dazjorz: Sounds like something I've heard before in this channel. |
| 22:53.54 | dazjorz | JordiGH: Yes |
| 22:55.28 | stoned | hi |
| 22:56.05 | naga44 | stew: i dont know wht the hell jigdo is...but its cool...thanks for yer help...peace |
| 22:56.27 | Rusty1 | http://pastebin.com/769396 |
| 22:56.27 | stoned | hmm |
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| 22:56.31 | stoned | !jigdo |
| 22:56.32 | dpkg | i guess jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 22:57.17 | stew | naga44: for a in $(seq 1 19) ; do echo $a: ; wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-testing-i386-binary-$a.jigdo -O - 2>/dev/null | zgrep ndiswrapper ; done |
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| 22:58.10 | stew | naga44: looks like cd7 for -source 8 for -common and 9 for -utils |
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| 23:05.47 | JordiGH | octave |
| 23:05.52 | JordiGH | Er, wrong window. |
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| 23:07.13 | _Sam-- | hey is there a way to find out the status of a raid array on an adaptec card while you are booted in linux/and/or/linux ? like to see if the array is fine, or if a drive failed? |
| 23:07.23 | _Sam-- | er and/or/debian :) |
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| 23:08.39 | holycow | anyone here run adaptec scsi raid cards? i'm looking at the 2120s and was curious if anyone had any adaptec related opininons |
| 23:08.50 | sadrul | hi. is there any package for vim with X11 support compiled in so i can make vim use the x11 clipboard? |
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| 23:09.41 | _Sam-- | ]i run adaptec scsi raid, i have a few older 2100s, work fine...just trying to figure out if there is a way to find out their status while running and not having to boot to their bios |
| 23:10.08 | dockane | hi.. i cat find any description of the file permissions for the last letter being a "T": drwxrwx--T |
| 23:10.25 | holycow | _Sam--, interesting. i don't know obviously ... but if i find out i will share |
| 23:10.38 | petriborg | man chmod |
| 23:10.42 | petriborg | that iwll tell you dockane |
| 23:10.46 | dockane | petriborg: thx |
| 23:10.50 | holycow | _Sam--, does sarge detect the raid at install? i guess they use aacraid correct? |
| 23:11.02 | simonrvn | holycow: i have one. never ran it as hardware raid though. older one a u-181 or something like that; works ok |
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| 23:11.41 | holycow | simonrvn, thanks for the heads up. it helps |
| 23:11.42 | _Sam-- | i compiled a new kernel, installing it directly to raid was a problem....i had to install to plain scsi... |
| 23:11.50 | _Sam-- | then build the array after the install was done |
| 23:11.56 | holycow | *ew* |
| 23:11.57 | simonrvn | holycow: :) |
| 23:12.07 | holycow | i'm hoping to find one that is recognized by the installer |
| 23:12.13 | _Sam-- | there was no support at least at the time |
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| 23:12.17 | _Sam-- | was the only way i could do it |
| 23:12.25 | holycow | was this sarge? |
| 23:12.32 | _Sam-- | this was only in february, on a newer 3200 series adaptec |
| 23:12.35 | simonrvn | mine was because i was runing it on a powermac, and it's a peecee card |
| 23:12.42 | simonrvn | running* |
| 23:12.48 | holycow | *nod* |
| 23:13.10 | _Sam-- | hmmm...im amd-64 on that box, im not sure if its sarge |
| 23:13.15 | simonrvn | the x86 box saw it fine from bios. never tried installing to it, but it did see it |
| 23:13.40 | dockane | petriborg: man page says there is "[rwxXstugo]".. but no T. is T the sticky bit? |
| 23:13.58 | simonrvn | info chmod |
| 23:14.10 | simonrvn | a lot more info |
| 23:14.16 | simonrvn | (pardon the pun) |
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| 23:14.31 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:14.57 | simonrvn | holycow: how you been, guy? doing ok i hope? |
| 23:15.27 | holycow | simonrvn, busier than all hell dude :) tryin to keep sane. |
| 23:15.30 | holycow | your self? |
| 23:15.33 | holycow | long time no see |
| 23:15.54 | simonrvn | doing excellent. i started pow-wow drumming again. never been better. |
| 23:16.16 | _Sam-- | smokem the peace pipe and play dee pow wow drumz |
| 23:16.16 | holycow | ha! |
| 23:16.18 | simonrvn | yeh. hope it's a good kind of busy, and it's fulfilling |
| 23:16.18 | holycow | wow really? |
| 23:16.24 | holycow | dude frickin cool :) |
| 23:16.48 | _Sam-- | is that like at the grateful dead shows when they sit around and play a drum |
| 23:16.52 | holycow | simonrvn, the only bad part is you turn around an a year or two are gone in what feels like a day |
| 23:16.53 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:17.53 | _Sam-- | and yeah, sorry, it was definitely sarge that i couldnt install directly to raid on |
| 23:17.56 | _Sam-- | at that time |
| 23:18.06 | _Sam-- | amd64 sarge |
| 23:18.14 | simonrvn | holycow: yeh, i've been busy too. been to like 3 pow-wows or festivals this month. other stuff too, like admining the machines here or elsewhere, or taking care of other stuff. time passes quickly, enjoy every minute. |
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| 23:19.05 | simonrvn | holycow: i'd stopped for like close to ten years :(... i feel like a rookie again hehehe |
| 23:20.00 | simonrvn | when you're young, time goes slow. a minute feels like an hour. when you get older, an hour feels like a minute. |
| 23:20.26 | simonrvn | it teaches you patience |
| 23:20.36 | holycow | that smostly because your bored out of your frickin skull :) |
| 23:20.41 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 23:20.45 | asg | simonrvn: unless you're at the DMV |
| 23:20.55 | holycow | asg, lol |
| 23:20.56 | simonrvn | asg: there are exceptions ;) |
| 23:20.56 | holycow | hehehe |
| 23:21.00 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 23:21.03 | holycow | dmv must occupy its own dimension |
| 23:21.05 | asg | simonrvn: indeed ;) |
| 23:21.10 | holycow | time SLOWS DOWN in there |
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| 23:23.57 | _Sam-- | so nobody knows how to find out the status of a running array on an adaptec card while you are booted? if you are remote, how would you know if a drive fails/failed? |
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| 23:24.40 | holycow | _Sam--, indeedy a good question ... as soon as i'm don i shall haveto start researching that |
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| 23:25.55 | holycow | _Sam--, they are officially supported on redhat |
| 23:26.02 | holycow | i would find it hard to believe you couldn't |
| 23:26.21 | _Sam-- | im not saying that you cant, only that i dont know how :) |
| 23:27.03 | holycow | i don't like hearing the installer couldn't see the card an i will haveto build the raid manually :) |
| 23:27.04 | holycow | heh |
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| 23:27.36 | _Sam-- | it was actually not bad at all, and i got a good kernel for my box out of it |
| 23:27.41 | EdLin | !test |
| 23:27.41 | dpkg | Sorry, edlin, I didn't get your test. |
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| 23:28.03 | _Sam-- | if you have a plain scsi card around, it only takes a few minutes extra, and i used amd64, maybe non amd64 is fine |
| 23:28.17 | holycow | _Sam--, did you build the kernel just because? it seems all one would haveto do is modprobe the right driver and run through the raid config commands right? |
| 23:28.31 | holycow | ah okay |
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| 23:32.07 | _Sam-- | im sure there were a bunch of ways to do it....but i compiled support for what i needed into the kernel instead of modules, for a bunch of things i use...and i wanted a newer kernel at the time |
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| 23:32.44 | _Sam-- | installed to plain scsi --> compiled what i needed--> built array ---> booted into raid |
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| 23:34.00 | holycow | this box has adaptec hostraid on it so i can use that i think ... i refuse to use redhat or suse or drivers without source tho so if i gotta jump through hoops so be it |
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| 23:37.02 | enouf | .01 |
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| 23:41.52 | holycow | _Sam--, ---> http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/raid/scsi_raid/ASR-2120S/ |
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| 23:42.03 | holycow | cli user manual seems to have some information similar to what you were asking about |
| 23:42.05 | kaboodle | has anyone here used linspire? |
| 23:42.19 | petriborg | its the debian channel... |
| 23:42.27 | naga44 | linspire is stooopid |
| 23:42.34 | kaboodle | thanks for that. |
| 23:42.41 | petriborg | i'm going to go out on a limb here and say "never ever" |
| 23:43.05 | petriborg | just saying man, the debian people are a little different from them is all :-) |
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| 23:43.19 | naga44 | kaboodle: y not try debian? |
| 23:43.22 | kaboodle | :-) |
| 23:43.32 | naga44 | wot |
| 23:43.33 | kaboodle | I'm testing Linspire for someone else. |
| 23:43.35 | naga44 | woot |
| 23:43.47 | petriborg | or if you really want a more friendly distro theres always ubuntu :-) |
| 23:43.54 | abrotman | ubuntu is hard |
| 23:43.58 | petriborg | heh |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | let's go shopping |
| 23:44.04 | naga44 | ubuntu is blated |
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| 23:44.07 | naga44 | bloated |
| 23:44.14 | Pryon | baleeted |
| 23:44.20 | naga44 | i cant type... |
| 23:44.21 | naga44 | hehe |
| 23:44.22 | petriborg | i'm not disagreeing with you naga - i'm saying its n00b friendly |
| 23:44.25 | kaboodle | it's debian based so I can use apt-get, but wanted to make sure that it wouldn't fubar my system if install programs via apt-get instead of cnr |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | kaboodle: we don't know .. we don't support linspire here .. try #linspire |
| 23:44.50 | kaboodle | which is precisely what i need in this case. |
| 23:44.54 | naga44 | kaboodle... or try debian |
| 23:44.58 | naga44 | its awesome! |
| 23:44.59 | kaboodle | dead channel |
| 23:45.03 | abrotman | tough shit |
| 23:45.08 | kaboodle | #linspire that is./ |
| 23:45.12 | abrotman | kaboodle: you're not running debian .. we can't help you |
| 23:45.16 | petriborg | this might explain a few things about the dist :-) |
| 23:45.20 | kaboodle | hehe. |
| 23:45.23 | naga44 | yup |
| 23:45.33 | naga44 | holy shit i love debian! |
| 23:45.38 | kaboodle | personally i run source distros |
| 23:45.40 | userdefined | hola. /join #ssh |
| 23:45.43 | userdefined | heh |
| 23:45.46 | petriborg | don't give yourself a boner there naga ;-) |
| 23:45.49 | userdefined | never mind, i'm retarded |
| 23:45.54 | naga44 | too late |
| 23:45.54 | naga44 | hehe |
| 23:46.07 | kaboodle | guess the binaries are friendly to him |
| 23:46.13 | abrotman | is it sunday? |
| 23:46.29 | petriborg | only in alternative univ #7 |
| 23:46.37 | kaboodle | what universe are you living in? |
| 23:46.37 | naga44 | yah 2sday here |
| 23:46.42 | buzzard | has anyone had problems with apt |
| 23:46.43 | abrotman | !peramsunday |
| 23:46.48 | abrotman | !permasunday |
| 23:46.48 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:47.01 | naga44 | hehe |
| 23:47.03 | buzzard | i keep getting MD5Sum mismatch for kernel.org |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | buzzard: be less vague |
| 23:47.09 | abrotman | buzzard: use another mirror .. |
| 23:47.17 | naga44 | mirrors are awesome! |
| 23:47.22 | buzzard | debian |
| 23:47.23 | naga44 | ok night yallz |
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| 23:47.26 | abrotman | buzzard: use another mirror |
| 23:47.36 | buzzard | ok |
| 23:47.40 | userdefined | anyone know if it's possible to log which key was used to log a user in via ssh ? |
| 23:47.44 | deadcat | !drm |
| 23:47.45 | dpkg | i heard drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp |
| 23:48.08 | userdefined | (since there is no #ssh ;-) |
| 23:48.10 | petriborg | uh userdefined, wouldn't that just go with the username? |
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| 23:48.22 | lunitik | The song linked to via permasunday is depressing... what the fuck |
| 23:48.24 | stoned | abrotman |
| 23:48.40 | minerale | naga44: well, if you put it like that I could say that Solaris is bloated... but then you get on the cosole, try to downlaod something... and you find out there's not wget, links lynx or lwp-request |
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| 23:48.52 | abrotman | stoned |
| 23:48.57 | abrotman | lunitik: so is sunday |
| 23:49.04 | minerale | err s/solaris/debian vs solaris * |
| 23:49.09 | lunitik | Depressed people should just lynch themselves... don't spread your vibes... |
| 23:49.22 | abrotman | i'd prefer that |
| 23:49.31 | userdefined | petriborg: not necessarily. shared user id. my theory is use only ssh key auth for login, and keep track of who's using the id via which key was used |
| 23:49.38 | petriborg | wouldn't lynching by definition require multiple people |
| 23:49.38 | naga44 | i'd prefer food for everyone |
| 23:49.47 | userdefined | (where each user gens their own key obviously) |
| 23:49.49 | naga44 | ok ok ok..goodnight yallz...keep up the good werk |
| 23:49.52 | stoned | I'd prefer if people stopped talking about other depressed people and what they should or should not do with their lives in #debian |
| 23:49.53 | stoned | c'mon |
| 23:49.56 | lunitik | abrotman: Sunday is just like any other day... its what you make of it... if its depressing for you... stay in bed |
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| 23:50.08 | lunitik | abrotman: at least that way no one else has to get your vibes |
| 23:50.11 | petriborg | userdefined, i don't think that will work with ssh, and i've done some fuked up things with ssh |
| 23:50.15 | abrotman | lunitik: it's not depressing for me .. it's just full of tards .. but that's why we have you every other day :) |
| 23:50.24 | stoned | lol |
| 23:50.29 | _Sam-- | lspci |
| 23:50.34 | userdefined | it works. but just logs what user was logged in, which isn't helpful, cause that's the same |
| 23:50.41 | stoned | lunitik is alright when he wants to be, but usually come off as a dick |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | he is |
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| 23:50.53 | lunitik | abrotman: not 'tards', just ignorant to things... living their own life |
| 23:50.55 | abrotman | he should lynch himself instead of spreading his vibe |
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| 23:51.01 | stoned | exactly |
| 23:51.02 | lunitik | Nothing wrong with ignorance |
| 23:51.06 | petriborg | yes i agree that what you're doing works, just that there isn't anyway to tell in a log the key |
| 23:51.07 | stoned | follow his own advice |
| 23:51.10 | abrotman | unless you spread it |
| 23:51.15 | stoned | do I need this shit in #debian when I come home from work? |
| 23:51.29 | abrotman | stoned: how's the job so far ? |
| 23:51.30 | petriborg | i mean consider if you put the key in the log.. the log would have everyone's login details... wouldn't make sense :-) |
| 23:51.44 | stoned | abrotman, grand man. I absolutely love it, I am in a tech sales |
| 23:51.45 | userdefined | well, it's a pubkey, so not much issue there |
| 23:51.51 | abrotman | userdefined: there's nothing in man sshd_config to allow it ? |
| 23:51.57 | stoned | abrotman, we deal with mostly IT nerds and server based equipment |
| 23:51.57 | abrotman | stoned: commission ? |
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| 23:52.18 | stoned | abrotman, bonuses, some commission, 32,000$/yr starting salary |
| 23:52.27 | stoned | and many MANY oppertunities to move up, etc. |
| 23:52.29 | kaboodle | not too shabby. |
| 23:52.29 | abrotman | that's nice |
| 23:52.35 | userdefined | abrotman: not that i could see, and google wasn't very helpful (apparently i'm lacking the magic words =) |
| 23:52.37 | abrotman | stoned: too bad your wares suck :) |
| 23:52.46 | stoned | abrotman, it doesn't matter to me |
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| 23:52.53 | lunitik | If you can't at least learn from everyone you encounter... whether that be how not to live, or how to be successful... they are worth your time |
| 23:52.55 | petriborg | userdefined well you're welcome to do as you want but i wouldn't do that |
| 23:53.01 | kaboodle | heh you just sell it right? |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | userdefined: you might want to ask .. eh .. #openbsd .. but they may tell you to jump off a bridge |
| 23:53.07 | stoned | abrotman, plus I think dell is ok, I mean really if it was THAT bad, it wouldn't be where it is now |
| 23:53.11 | abrotman | lunitik: quit ranting .. |
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| 23:53.17 | lunitik | wait... last part of that is supposed to say "then there is something wrong with you" |
| 23:53.18 | stoned | 25 on the fortune 500, etc. and other statistics |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | stoned: one word .. gateway |
| 23:53.27 | stoned | abrotman, one word, paycheck! |
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| 23:53.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:53.33 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:53.34 | petriborg | stoned, i donno i managed to break 2 of the 3 dells i've used now so... you know :-) |
| 23:53.34 | kaboodle | haha |
| 23:53.36 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... sorry |
| 23:53.37 | asg | lunitik: /j #loser-philosophy |
| 23:53.41 | userdefined | abrotman: cool. thx. np with being told to jump off a bridge, i've got my asbestos on today ;-) |
| 23:53.42 | kaboodle | you want a paycheck, work for MS |
| 23:53.45 | stoned | asg! |
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| 23:53.48 | asg | stoned: hiya |
| 23:53.52 | lunitik | asg: you don't believe you can learn from everyone you encounter? |
| 23:53.54 | stoned | whats up there dude man homie bro |
| 23:54.00 | abrotman | userdefined: make very VERY sure you're telling them you're on debian but you're using openssh |
| 23:54.12 | userdefined | abrotman: aye. will do |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | userdefined: don't try to pass it by that you're using anything else ... |
| 23:54.15 | lindenle | Anyone have any idea why kdm would crash for just one user. When it seems to work for everyone else? |
| 23:54.21 | asg | lunitik: I do, I've also learned that most people you are likely to encounter can be discounted out of hand. |
| 23:54.22 | lunitik | asg: if not, I feel sorry for you |
| 23:54.34 | Stevie-O | lindenle: export CRASH=no in ~/.bashrc |
| 23:54.44 | petriborg | lindenle, bad config file in the user dir |
| 23:54.50 | kaboodle | oh i suppose i could learn what NOT to do from fools. |
| 23:54.50 | petriborg | hahah stevie-o |
| 23:54.53 | abrotman | lunitik: that's the stupidest thing i've heard |
| 23:55.04 | asg | stoned: Doing good, you? |
| 23:55.08 | lunitik | abrotman: everything I say is stupid to you |
| 23:55.12 | abrotman | well .. not the stupidest .. but pretty darn close :) |
| 23:55.14 | lunitik | abrotman: whats new about that? |
| 23:55.15 | lindenle | Stevie-O: Wow wat a helpful comment |
| 23:55.24 | stoned | asg, oh nothing, just sighing about stupid bullshit I have to put up with reading in #debian because of certain people |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | lunitik: not everything .. but not every person in your life will help you learn |
| 23:55.33 | stoned | asg, other than that, fine and dandy, both at the same time |
| 23:55.34 | stoned | :D |
| 23:55.37 | asg | stoned: cool |
| 23:55.41 | stoned | I think might be more dandy and fine |
| 23:55.42 | stoned | I dunno |
| 23:55.44 | Stevie-O | lunitik: anyway, you could always strace it. |
| 23:55.44 | lindenle | petriborg: I moved all the .kde stuff out of the way to try and check that but no luck |
| 23:55.45 | petriborg | maybe he should echo "MS_SECRET_BACK_DOOR=0" as well |
| 23:55.45 | abrotman | stoned: it could be worse .. you could be in #ubuntu :) |
| 23:55.48 | stoned | s/and/then |
| 23:55.50 | stoned | lol |
| 23:55.52 | petriborg | er yeah that made sense, not |
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| 23:55.59 | lunitik | abrotman: yes, everything I've said that you've commented on, you've said is stupid... |
| 23:55.59 | stoned | yes, but I am not, thanks to me |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old |
| 23:56.13 | asg | abrotman: s/mv/rm/ |
| 23:56.16 | stoned | lunitik, then maybe you could stop saying stupid shit |
| 23:56.19 | abrotman | lunitik: not at all .. jsut about DEs and life :) |
| 23:56.21 | stoned | just an idea |
| 23:56.36 | lunitik | abrotman: and I pride myself on learning from everyone... how not to be, how to be... everyone has lived their life, and has something of substance to add to your knowledge |
| 23:56.37 | karsten | lindenle: Generally trying to identify stuff like that: check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.*.log* |
| 23:56.43 | abrotman | shit .. where'd he go |
| 23:56.53 | i07 | how do you add fonts? |
| 23:56.57 | abrotman | grrr .. people left before i could finihs reading the man page!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:57.02 | i07 | all my text are squares |
| 23:57.03 | karsten | lindenle: ... and start with a clean KDE configuration, adding mods from your current config to it until you start seeing the behavior again (or not). |
| 23:57.06 | stoned | i07, install the desired font package |
| 23:57.11 | Vutral | mhm |
| 23:57.14 | Vutral | ieh |
| 23:57.17 | stoned | i07, ahh, might need to change your locale to univode |
| 23:57.20 | karsten | i07: i18n and font / charset support. |
| 23:57.23 | abrotman | lunitik: see .. that's why noone listens to you .. just shit rolls out everytime you open your mouth :) |
| 23:57.25 | stoned | s/univode/Unicode |
| 23:57.26 | i07 | stoned: alright captain, explain how please? |
| 23:57.26 | Vutral | i wonder |
| 23:57.30 | lunitik | abrotman: bums on the street, you can how they screwed up their lives... what mistakes they've made... successful people, you can learn how to strive for their position in life... everyone has something to share |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | no |
| 23:57.38 | karsten | stoned: univole? |
| 23:57.44 | petriborg | you know you've used vi too much when you try and use commands in your chat window to edit the text and are super confused when you type "i" expecting input mode and then when you get an i, press esc, dd, trying to delete what you just wrote.... |
| 23:57.48 | stoned | i07, dpkg-reconfigure locales and then chose your language's UTF-8 version as well |
| 23:57.48 | Vutral | if i install etch using the testing netinst cd, wil it upgrade to the next testing when it comes out and etch gets stable ? |
| 23:57.50 | kaboodle | well, does debian support net-install over wireless? because that's all i have access to. |
| 23:57.53 | lunitik | s/can how/can learn how/ |
| 23:57.58 | karsten | petriborg: :wq |
| 23:57.59 | stoned | for example en_US_utf-8 |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | Vutral: testing is a moving target .. etch will release |
| 23:58.00 | stoned | etc. |
| 23:58.07 | stoned | or whatever man |
| 23:58.07 | asg | kaboodle: it does if you wireless kit is supported by the sarge install kernel. |
| 23:58.11 | asg | kaboodle: otherwise, no |
| 23:58.12 | karsten | stoned: en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:58.23 | stoned | karsten, thanks |
| 23:58.26 | Vutral | abrotman: so i need to change the sources.list after installing from the testing-netinst-iso ? |
| 23:58.29 | kaboodle | ipw2100 wireless miniPCI (centrino chipset) |
| 23:58.37 | abrotman | Vutral: depends ... do you want to track testing or track etch ? |
| 23:58.39 | karsten | kaboodle: Depends on the wireless card. |
| 23:58.40 | petriborg | clearly, you should have an ex method for chatting;-) |
| 23:58.50 | Vutral | abrotman: track etch |
| 23:58.51 | lunitik | abrotman: if you can't learn from others experiences, you're doomed to make the same mistakes |
| 23:58.51 | abrotman | Vutral: etch will one day release and become stable .. testing is always testying |
| 23:58.59 | Stevie-O | testifying? |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | lunitik: SHUT UP |
| 23:59.05 | lunitik | :/ |
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| 23:59.17 | karsten | ipAlternatives include finidng another form of network support (eg: USB or similar), or doing a chroot install under another distro, or moving install media to another system running install there and reinstalling on the desired kit. |
| 23:59.20 | abrotman | Vutral: then yes .. if the word "testing" appears in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. change it to "etch" |
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| 23:59.33 | Vutral | abrotman: k, thx |
| 23:59.37 | karsten | lunitik: Welcom to IRC where history is forever doomed. |
| 23:59.49 | abrotman | lunitik: it just gets old after a while .. senseless ramblings suck .. and it makes people think you're a tard in general |
