| 00:00.02 | kaboodle | intel pro/wireless 2100 miniPCI 3b wireless network adaptor |
| 00:00.15 | abrotman | !tell kaboodle about ipw2100 |
| 00:00.17 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't care what people think of me... the day I start will be the day I put a gun to my own head |
| 00:00.23 | i07 | alright lets see if this works |
| 00:00.25 | abrotman | darn |
| 00:00.41 | abrotman | kaboodle: you can build the drivers with m-a |
| 00:00.43 | stoned | lunitik, DUDE ! for fucks sake, NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. This is #Debian, geez man |
| 00:00.45 | kaboodle | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:01.03 | abrotman | at least nvz makes sense :) |
| 00:01.19 | stoned | yeah, if you want to read his 1000 words per sentence lines |
| 00:01.21 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:01.24 | kaboodle | stoned, why not write a script to ignore people you don't want to hear from? |
| 00:01.31 | lunitik | abrotman: only insecure people care what others think of them... I'm happy with the person I see in the mirror, I'm proud of who I am... no one elses opinions matter |
| 00:01.44 | petriborg | i thoguht that was what the ignore button was for |
| 00:01.56 | kaboodle | oh now that came straight out of a self-help book. |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | lunitik: it doesn't mean others give a shit what you say |
| 00:02.05 | dasunt | Hmmm, I have an old LCD on this laptop that only does 800x600 natively. |
| 00:02.09 | lunitik | abrotman: I didn't make that assumption either ;) |
| 00:02.12 | dasunt | Is there any way to force it to 1024x768? |
| 00:02.13 | stoned | kaboodle, I am a regular supporter here, and I don't ignore people becasue this isn't for personal shit, its for debian support and discussion |
| 00:02.22 | karsten | stoned: chill. |
| 00:02.22 | petriborg | dasunt not if that is the hardware limit |
| 00:02.28 | kaboodle | :-) |
| 00:02.36 | stoned | karsten, I'm quite chilled |
| 00:02.36 | karsten | dasunt: Check the vendor specs on the display. |
| 00:02.37 | stoned | :) |
| 00:02.51 | lunitik | dasunt: remove all resolutions other than that... |
| 00:02.57 | petriborg | i'm icecream |
| 00:03.01 | lunitik | From /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:03.06 | deadcat | karsten: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/2006/20060815_LinuxWorld_Expo |
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| 00:03.13 | karsten | dasunt: ... and try "vesa" driver as a typical bog standard. |
| 00:03.32 | dasunt | The laptop boot screen says 'SVGA'. |
| 00:03.33 | deadcat | karsten: pretty crappy at LWCE today. |
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| 00:03.48 | lunitik | deadcat: you went? :( |
| 00:03.56 | karsten | Anyone have a general guide to wifi / dhcp debug / diagnostics references? I have issues ranging from "DHCPNAK" responses to one particular AP which refuses to talk to me. |
| 00:03.59 | dasunt | I just swapped laptops (both gateway 2500s), but the old one said 'XVGA' when it booted. |
| 00:04.03 | karsten | dasunt: Howso? |
| 00:04.19 | deadcat | lunitik: ya.. left few hours ago. |
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| 00:04.31 | dasunt | karsten: At boot. |
| 00:04.32 | lunitik | deadcat: I'm jealous... never been to one... |
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| 00:04.54 | stoned | karsten, http://www.dhcp-handbook.com/ is what I know of |
| 00:05.01 | Firestarter | anyone here use software suspend? |
| 00:05.01 | dasunt | This is a Gateway Solo 2500, but that seems to include a lot of different laptop models. |
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| 00:05.05 | karsten | dasunt: NM. |
| 00:05.09 | karsten | deadcat: howso? |
| 00:05.53 | dasunt | I've googled the SVGA 'standard', and the earliest version only included support for 800x600, but I found refences that later versions included 1024x768. |
| 00:05.58 | stoned | karsten, not quite sure about the wifi part though |
| 00:06.08 | stoned | karsten, take a peek and see if that helps |
| 00:06.22 | deadcat | lunitik: karsten: the booths suck this year. and less people this year too.. didnt even see redhat, sun, mysql there.. last year they had HUGE booths |
| 00:06.31 | stoned | deadcat |
| 00:06.35 | deadcat | stoned: |
| 00:06.42 | karsten | deadcat: No f*ing way! |
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| 00:06.59 | lunitik | deadcat: Sun was in the .org pavillion via OpenSolaris at least... |
| 00:07.02 | deadcat | karsten: yeep. didnt feel the vibe today. |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | deadcat: isn't the first official day tomorro ? |
| 00:07.17 | deadcat | lunitik: ya.. you can barely see their booth. |
| 00:07.29 | deadcat | abrotman: monday was conference. today is first day of expo |
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| 00:07.33 | deadcat | exhibit |
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| 00:07.46 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:08.02 | karsten | deadcat: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/images/other/12SF06A_floorplana.pdf |
| 00:08.18 | NoPlan | Argh! My printer is not printing german "Umlaute" any more. Even when exporting to PDF and they are visible under Adobe Reader, they are missing on the printout. What can that be? |
| 00:08.31 | deadcat | karsten: few of the guys from CABAL was at the ubuntu booth. |
| 00:08.38 | NoPlan | Letters like "???" look like "oau". |
| 00:09.08 | NoPlan | So it is printing the letters, just not the dots. |
| 00:09.20 | NoPlan | Veeery strange. |
| 00:09.42 | lunitik | deadcat: *the* ubuntu booth? they had at least 2 booths :/ |
| 00:10.04 | deadcat | lunitik: ya.. one is the comercial one. and the other one is ubuntu user. |
| 00:10.17 | abrotman | deadcat: was don there? |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | deadcat: hell .. was there even a Debian booth ? |
| 00:10.31 | deadcat | abrotman: ya.. he sold me the debian tshirt.. bastard charged me $12 |
| 00:10.52 | karsten | deadcat: mysql's there, near the entrance, left center |
| 00:10.59 | abrotman | deadcat: you could have given him head instead :) |
| 00:11.02 | deadcat | abrotman: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/2006/20060815_LinuxWorld_Expo/20060815_canonS230_3302.jpg he just bent over in this picture |
| 00:11.07 | karsten | deadcat: don marti? |
| 00:11.15 | deadcat | karsten: dondelelcaro |
| 00:11.56 | deadcat | abrotman: i aint blowing him for a tshirt (= |
| 00:12.09 | abrotman | deadcat: i don't see you in the picture |
| 00:12.24 | stoned | deadcat, so you are saying you'd blow him for something other than a t-shit ;) |
| 00:12.33 | deadcat | abrotman: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/2006/20060815_LinuxWorld_Expo/20060815_canonS230_3308.jpg <---- hahahah |
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| 00:12.45 | deadcat | stoned: no.. (= |
| 00:12.49 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:13.12 | abrotman | deadcat: is that funny because it's you .. or just because ? |
| 00:13.28 | peterS | I don't understand this modern mentality that just because it's _possible_ to extract about 6000 pieces of metadata from EXIF tags these days, that gallery users actually _care_ about the exact camera model and aperture settings |
| 00:13.43 | deadcat | abrotman: because i just sat there and people started asking me question about Open Source Software Institute |
| 00:13.48 | karsten | deadcat: Ah. |
| 00:13.50 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:14.03 | stoned | dead's pimping |
| 00:14.07 | stoned | ehehe |
| 00:14.10 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:14.19 | abrotman | peterS: well .. you know .. it might be useful later? |
| 00:14.36 | karsten | deadcat: Looks like RH's no-show, though FC and Apple are there. |
| 00:14.42 | peterS | abrotman: it's nice to have that information if you're a professional, but why on earth would you put it on a slide show web site? |
| 00:14.55 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. well .. not so much :) |
| 00:15.08 | abrotman | peterS: write a utility to strip exif tags! |
| 00:15.22 | deadcat | karsten: ya... maybe they decided its not worth it or something... didnt see rick there.. didnt he say theres gonna be a install fest booth? |
| 00:15.25 | karsten | deadcat: ... and it's just the one floor? Last year IIRC it was two. |
| 00:15.33 | karsten | deadcat: Dunno, no info. |
| 00:15.36 | deadcat | karsten: just 1. |
| 00:15.44 | peterS | abrotman: note that deadcat's gallery not only tells you that the picture was taken with a flash, it _also_ notes that he had the flash setting to 'auto', as opposed to manually forcing the flash. I mean really. WHO CARES? |
| 00:15.54 | petriborg | peterS, well some of the other tags are useful... my mother has several hundred family pictures from <1960, and she should be using the tags... of course she doesnt and just uses really long file names instead |
| 00:15.58 | karsten | deadcat: And note: For your convenience, online registration will now be open until August 17, 2006. |
| 00:16.07 | deadcat | petriborg: nice isnt it? |
| 00:16.17 | karsten | deadcat: ... in other words "attendence is down so much we're pimping through the website until the end of the show" |
| 00:16.23 | peterS | petriborg: yeah, I never said exif tags weren't useful. just most of them are not useful to show photo gallery website users |
| 00:16.49 | deadcat | karsten: ya... this year is BAD!.. in a bad way |
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| 00:17.17 | petriborg | because the year adds up to 8? |
| 00:17.25 | deadcat | peterS: i took that flash comment array from libapache-gallery-perl |
| 00:17.35 | abrotman | peterS: i think it's your program :) |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 00:17.59 | peterS | deadcat: yeah, well, I'm not blaming you specifically. lots of gallery-type webapps make exactly the same mistake. "look, lots of exif tags we know how to extract, LET'S SHOW THEM ALL OFF" |
| 00:18.24 | karsten | deadcat: And not on the sponsor list either. |
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| 00:18.30 | deadcat | peterS: thats MY gallery app dammit! (= |
| 00:18.43 | foo | err, vncviewer's refresh is terrible on linux. I have to roll my cursor over a part if I want it to refresh. Any setting to fix this? |
| 00:18.43 | abrotman | peterS: i'd note that i downloaded the image .. and eog and gimp don't show anything about the flash |
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| 00:18.45 | peterS | deadcat: yeah, well, then in that case I am blaming you specifically. |
| 00:18.51 | deadcat | )= |
| 00:18.56 | stoned | blame canada |
| 00:19.04 | stoned | is it getting old? its sitll funny |
| 00:19.11 | deadcat | blame them |
| 00:19.12 | peterS | abrotman: don't they? eog shows exif tags. are you saying he's stripping them before sending the jpeg to you? |
| 00:19.22 | NoPlan | Ah, when I chose "print to file", the accents are already gone. So I suppose it is a Ghostscript problem? |
| 00:19.36 | abrotman | peterS: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/2006/20060815_LinuxWorld_Expo/20060815_canonS230_3302.jpg .. nothing .. just a few other exif tags |
| 00:20.07 | peterS | abrotman: well, at least several exif tags get encoded into the filename, so that you will know that it was a Canon S230. I'm sure you were wondering. |
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| 00:20.38 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. wait .. it doesn't have exif tags when you download it |
| 00:21.06 | deadcat | peterS: i have a function that renames all images from the camera to that format. |
| 00:21.28 | peterS | deadcat: yeah, because we really care exactly what model of camera you used |
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| 00:21.41 | abrotman | peterS: admittedly .. you should see the exif data my camera puts in there |
| 00:21.46 | deadcat | peterS: i MIGHT get a newer model.. (= |
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| 00:22.02 | charzero | Why is it that if I have 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=something' in my bash_profile, i don't have it anymore when I run a bash from screen, but it does retain the other things that I export? |
| 00:22.03 | peterS | deadcat: yeah, and if you do, we definitely want to be informed about it right away! |
| 00:22.17 | stoned | peterS, but if someone likes the image and the image quality, they might want to know which brand/model camera was used, so they can buy it. It is not always useless to display that information |
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| 00:23.21 | abrotman | peterS: the one i happen to be looking at has this "Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsatory flash mode." :) |
| 00:23.47 | peterS | stoned: yes it is. it is always useless. if you're a professional photographer using a really pimped out camera and you produce images that people will wonder what kind of pimped out camera you used, you will probably have an info web page elsewhere on your site bragging about your pimped out camera |
| 00:24.04 | stoned | lol |
| 00:24.16 | deadcat | sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/stupidexif <-- not my fault |
| 00:24.30 | deadcat | i use the same array from libapache-gallery-perl |
| 00:24.50 | peterS | histogram data! yay! |
| 00:24.54 | stoned | oxymoron |
| 00:25.26 | stoned | well, not really the word I was looking for |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | too bad i can't remember how to get to it |
| 00:25.38 | peterS | deadcat: yeah, you need to grasp the concept that not all information available to your program is going to be interesting to your users |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | stoned: so describe it .. be wordy .. hasn't stopped others |
| 00:26.24 | liable | any good freebies to be had?? |
| 00:26.30 | peterS | deadcat: I'd argue that unless your site is showing off professional photography, even the datum of whether the flash fired or not is not interesting |
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| 00:27.02 | deadcat | liable: tshirts (= |
| 00:27.16 | liable | peterS: you really *hate* exif data dont you? :) |
| 00:27.26 | peterS | but I do understand the idea of showing off that information just to prove that your camera and your gallery site are so cool that they _can_ record and display it |
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| 00:27.51 | peterS | liable: no, I hate showing exif data to casual browsers of a web site. it's pointlessly showing off the ability to do something people aren't going to care about |
| 00:28.25 | liable | peterS: i gotts admit, i found it pointless and removed it from libapache-gallery.. |
| 00:28.40 | peterS | liable: I'm glad cameras do record as much exif data as they do. it helps for sorting and managing photos locally, and I'm sure professionals find things like aperture (f-stop setting) important to keep track of |
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| 00:28.48 | deadcat | liable: which theme you using for your gallery? |
| 00:28.51 | abrotman | i can see name/date/time ... maybe exposure etc .. not sure about much else |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | of course .. deadcat doesn't show us exposure info |
| 00:29.05 | peterS | date and time, yes. by all means display those. |
| 00:29.17 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont know whats exposure info for. (= |
| 00:29.28 | liable | deadcat: i just got the module and changed the colours and shit myself |
| 00:29.35 | peterS | deadcat: that's because you're too young to remember that old gadget known as a film camera |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | deadcat: 1/650 f/4.0 etc |
| 00:29.48 | liable | deadcat: i didnt know it had themes.. |
| 00:29.51 | deadcat | liable: it comes with 2 themes: new and the lastest is "bright" |
| 00:30.01 | godlikewrath | I can't build gcc-4.1_4.1.1-10, it complains "no multiarch mapping for multilib (64)". Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 00:30.19 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont know what those numbers are for... |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | deadcat: are you f'in serious? |
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| 00:30.49 | peterS | deadcat: aperture (f-stop) is basically "how much light hits the film, as a fraction of how much would hit it if you didn't have a lens or a camera at all". |
| 00:31.02 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont know.. like shutter speed? |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | deadcat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_(photography) |
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| 00:31.24 | abrotman | deadcat: it measures time exposed and the focal point/light allowed in |
| 00:31.45 | peterS | deadcat: shutter speed and aperture work together to give the film (or the CCD) the right amount of exposure. the longer the exposure, the narrower the aperture you can use to get the same result |
| 00:31.56 | deadcat | abrotman: damn. i need to take a photography class. |
| 00:32.04 | abrotman | deadcat: or pick up a $5 book |
| 00:32.10 | stoned | * abrotman refrains from telling peterS that his camera stores historgram data |
| 00:32.17 | stoned | see what I meant |
| 00:32.26 | stoned | that was funny, but like paradoxical |
| 00:32.31 | stoned | I dunno man, my vocab. sucks |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:32.51 | peterS | deadcat: narrow aperture gives you a broader distance range of objects that are pretty much in focus. a really wide aperture, a very narrow distance range is in focus, everything closer or further away from that are blurry |
| 00:33.43 | stoned | peterS, oh yeah, we learned about the application of it in calculus and before that in Algebra II |
| 00:33.51 | abrotman | deadcat: if you use the techniques correctly .. you can get some very very intersting photos |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | though .. i don't know how well a digicam replicates those settings |
| 00:34.10 | peterS | deadcat: in other words, at wide aperture settings (most camera lenses will go as wide as f/2.8 or so, as narrow as f/22 or f/32), the effect of the focus knob is much more pronounced |
| 00:34.22 | abrotman | especially the aperature setting |
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| 00:35.03 | peterS | abrotman: the CCD acts like a piece of film. it needs a certain amount of light to get through to it. so digital camera lenses have apertures, same as film camera lenses. I think the mechanism is basically the same |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | peterS: let's experiment! |
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| 00:36.02 | peterS | the difference is that digital cameras, being more technologically advanced, not only have light meters built in, but software which can correct for the amount of light, in software, so that a variable aperture is less important |
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| 00:37.26 | peterS | deadcat: your own eyes have a constant exposure time - a constant amount of light has to hit your retina per second in order to see properly. so your iris adjusts the aperture in real time to accommodate this |
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| 00:38.07 | stoned | peterS, eye doc. in previous life somewhere? :) |
| 00:38.08 | liable | still important for getting dof you want though.. |
| 00:38.31 | peterS | stoned: yeah, now I make eyeMacs |
| 00:38.35 | stoned | haha |
| 00:38.41 | Techie-Micheal | Anybody had any issues with AM2 and Debian etch b3 and/or Debian 3.1? |
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| 00:39.06 | abrotman | AM2? |
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| 00:40.34 | Techie-Micheal | AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Dual-Core 512K to be a bit more specific. |
| 00:40.50 | Techie-Micheal | I've got a machine coming in to replace my development server |
| 00:41.04 | Techie-Micheal | Want to make sure it'll work. :) |
| 00:41.29 | godlikewrath | how do I build gcc-4.1_4.1.1-10? I get an internal compiler error "no multiarch mapping for multilib (64)" |
| 00:41.37 | abrotman | why are you building gcc ? |
| 00:42.04 | bhagabhi | Bootsplash questions accepted here? Finally got a _nice_ bootsplash fully working - except that after starting gnome - when switching to tty1 the first time the bootsplash image shows with full progress-bar until i press some key - then the tty is visible with login... anyone seen this / got a solve? |
| 00:42.10 | jair | guys, if I am partitioning a 35GB disk on this (primary) sdb1 = /opt -->20GB then another partition (primary) sdb2 = /u01 --> 10GB and I leave the other 5GB free. Can be this formated as mkfs.ext3 both of them without problems? |
| 00:42.34 | godlikewrath | I don't know, I thought it would work. I really need gobjc++ on sarge |
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| 00:43.36 | peterS | jair: don't know why not |
| 00:43.48 | peterS | jair: check /proc/partitions to make sure the kernel's information about partition layout has been updated |
| 00:44.03 | charzero | jair: out of curiosity, why is it called /u01 ? |
| 00:44.25 | abrotman | godlikewrath: have you thought to ask #gcc ? |
| 00:44.45 | godlikewrath | abrotman: I think it maybe the debian package |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:44.59 | NoPlan | Is it really true that the only way to get accented letters printed under Linux is to take a pencil and add them after printout? I am going nuts and I am running out of time :( |
| 00:45.09 | jair | charzero: it is just preference for a project |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | you could use pen |
| 00:45.36 | charzero | jair: I've seen sun engineers set up partitions as /u01, and never knew why. |
| 00:45.43 | jair | peterS: but normally when i create a new partition all the time can be a primary partition? |
| 00:45.54 | godlikewrath | but I think #gcc may know why it says that |
| 00:45.55 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 00:45.57 | peterS | jair: the MS-DOS partition table allows you to have up to 4 primary partitions |
| 00:45.58 | NoPlan | abrotman: You mean a pen instead of a pencil? Hmm ... that's the freedom of choice Linux is all about :) No seriously, I think I have a major printer engine/locale setting/font encoding problem here. Need help! |
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| 00:46.09 | jair | peterS: I am using ext3 |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | NoPlan: i don't own a printer .. and my stupid language doesn't have accents |
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| 00:46.22 | jair | peterS: and of course Linux |
| 00:46.34 | peterS | jair: yes but I bet you are using a MS-DOS partition table |
| 00:46.37 | NoPlan | abchirk: I can reproduce the problem without using a printer :) |
| 00:46.47 | jair | peterS: how do i know? |
| 00:46.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:46.50 | NoPlan | abrotman: errm, see above. Damn nick completion :) |
| 00:46.52 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 00:46.57 | abchirk | !beer abrotman ;) |
| 00:47.00 | peterS | jair: you usually use that format on peecees for interoperability with MS Windows and other peecee operating systems that want to look at the same hard disk |
| 00:47.23 | abchirk | I may havent to look..if is highlight on debian.. |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | eh .. ok :) |
| 00:47.37 | jair | peterS: and what about the /etc/fstab? it does not matter where do I put the line with the info of the two new partitions /opt and /u01? |
| 00:47.37 | NoPlan | abrotman: I can export an OpenOffice document into PDF. The accents are still there. Then I print into a postscript file and *poof* all accents gone. |
| 00:47.45 | peterS | jair: let's look at it another way. do you have reason to believe that the partition tool you used to create multiple partitions on your disk will produce partitions which are _not_ usable? |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | NoPlan: oh .. that's really weird |
| 00:47.59 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:47.59 | dpkg | [de] Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 00:48.09 | abrotman | NoPlan: maybe try one of those .. |
| 00:48.17 | abchirk | Why you know that i am german? |
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| 00:48.19 | abrotman | NoPlan: maybe you need some wacky printer setting |
| 00:48.23 | jair | peterS: I am using fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | abchirk: not you .. NoPlan is |
| 00:48.27 | NoPlan | abrotman: the really weird thing is that it replaces the chars with the unaccented version. If it was an encoding problem, I'D expect total garbage. |
| 00:48.38 | peterS | jair: yes, and ... do you have reason to believe fdisk will create partitions which are not usable? |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | NoPlan: did i mentino i don't own a printer and my stupid language has no accents? :) |
| 00:49.04 | jair | peterS: the lines of the /etc/fstab can look like this?LABEL=/opt /opt ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 00:49.16 | peterS | jair: I have no idea why you are still here. it would have been so much faster to just try running mkfs.ext3 |
| 00:49.20 | NoPlan | abrotman: could it be the font encoding settings? Something to do with converting from ISO-8859-15 to UTF-8 or somesuch? |
| 00:49.23 | abrotman | NoPlan: do you have a PCL driver? |
| 00:49.28 | peterS | jair: the LABEL= only works if you label your filesystems, btw |
| 00:49.45 | abrotman | NoPlan: if i were you .. i'd probably ask the #debian.de guys .. maybe there's a trick |
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| 00:50.12 | jair | peterS: I already did that mkfs.ext3 -L /opt /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:50.21 | peterS | jair: then why are you asking us whether it will work? |
| 00:50.35 | jair | peterS: and mkfs.ext3 -L /u01 /dev/sdb2 |
| 00:50.36 | NoPlan | debian.de is sound asleep and I need to figure this out within the next 3 hours ... deadline coming up ... and I wanted to catch some sleep, too. *sigh* |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | NoPlan: still ask .. someone might stir |
| 00:51.05 | peterS | NoPlan: what print software, and what printer, are you using? |
| 00:51.05 | jair | peterS: because I still getting an error with the /opt on the ftab |
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| 00:51.31 | peterS | jair: I can't help you, then, because you are not describing your error, you are just saying "does this work?" |
| 00:51.35 | peterS | /ignore |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | NoPlan: or ask abchirk .. he's girman :) |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | german |
| 00:51.43 | abrotman | ffs |
| 00:52.00 | NoPlan | abchirk: Really? :) |
| 00:52.05 | abchirk | yes.. |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | abchirk: do you own a printer? |
| 00:52.22 | abchirk | no..only my mother with windows :D |
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| 00:52.30 | abrotman | you own your mother? |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | that's rough |
| 00:52.33 | abchirk | sorry...there i cannot help.. |
| 00:52.37 | abchirk | ... ;) |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | apparently only rich people have printers |
| 00:52.55 | abrotman | deadcat: are you still reading about photography? |
| 00:53.04 | abchirk | hm i could plugin a old printewr from 1995 :D |
| 00:53.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:53.48 | peterS | abchirk: that's about the age of an HP Laserjet 4. and those printers last forever, so that's still fairly new. |
| 00:53.49 | dvs | abchirk: Star Micronics? ;-) |
| 00:54.00 | ramiroec | is there a botton o command-line to do "zoom in" on mplayer ? |
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| 00:54.41 | abchirk | hm dont know...i know only that he has a needle :D |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | dot matrix |
| 00:54.55 | abrotman | ramiroec: ask #mplayer |
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| 00:55.22 | ramiroec | abrotman : thanks |
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| 00:56.19 | ramiroec | nobody use mplayer on this channel? |
| 00:56.25 | Techie-Micheal | Well, it looks like it is hit or miss with AM2 according to the lists and boards. Blargh. |
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| 00:58.32 | abrotman | where's yonkeltron |
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| 00:59.11 | erichapkido | How can I get rythmbox or quod libet to include .m4a files in their libraries? |
| 01:01.06 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:01.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:01.13 | magyar | how could I mount a DVD-RW connected to a "03:00.0 IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02)" ? |
| 01:01.25 | abrotman | magyar: does dmesg see it ? |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | erichapkido: somewhere i can get a legal m4a ? |
| 01:01.43 | magyar | abrotman: nope, only lspci |
| 01:01.44 | peterS | magyar: AHCI is SATA, so it depends on your kernel |
| 01:01.48 | dvs | magyar: mount -t auto /dev/hdXX /mnt |
| 01:02.22 | magyar | peterS: sid 2.6.17 |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | could be sdxx |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | magyar: did you compile your own ? |
| 01:02.41 | magyar | abrotman: nope, stock |
| 01:02.42 | erichapkido | abrotmanl: no idea |
| 01:02.51 | abrotman | there's a new one |
| 01:02.59 | abrotman | erichapkido: eh .. let me ask google |
| 01:03.27 | peterS | magyar: yeah so make sure to load the 'ahci' kernel module |
| 01:04.19 | peterS | magyar: then the 'sr_mod' module, for scsi cdrom support, and your drive should be available as /dev/scd0 |
| 01:04.32 | magyar | peterS: it is loaded, i am using ich8 in ACHI mode for my HD's |
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| 01:05.27 | abrotman | erichapkido: thought i found one .. but it renamed it to mp3 |
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| 01:06.21 | Ozux | hi, any body who run Qemu with network on Etch or sid? |
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| 01:08.24 | giglf | does anyone know a good alternative for the totem video player? |
| 01:08.30 | giglf | mine is acting strange |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | giglf: using xine or gstreamer backend ? |
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| 01:08.58 | magyar | peterS: doesn't work, no such device |
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| 01:09.19 | giglf | abrotman, maybe, not sure |
| 01:09.35 | dvs | magyar: Look at your /var/log/messages file |
| 01:09.36 | abrotman | giglf: it's an either/or .. not maybe/yes/no |
| 01:09.50 | giglf | abrotman: what do you think is wrong |
| 01:09.56 | giglf | abrotman, xine, I think |
| 01:10.38 | peterS | magyar: does the device show up in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 01:10.47 | erichapkido | abrotman: you could always try this, its a m4a. http://twit.cachefly.net/MBW-001.m4a |
| 01:11.12 | magyar | dvs: nothing there that would specify anyting about a LG DVD drive nor JMicron interface |
| 01:12.24 | magyar | peterS: no, I only see my three SATA drives and four SD card readers |
| 01:12.53 | peterS | magyar: is the DVD drive using a SATA interface, or is it on an IDE cable? |
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| 01:13.38 | magyar | peterS: is there any CD-ROM's that use SATA? Mine is ATA |
| 01:13.40 | magyar | PATA |
| 01:14.07 | peterS | magyar: yeah so ... I don't know much about your chipset - it may be that you need to load an IDE driver as well, to handle that |
| 01:14.30 | magyar | peterS: got it , thanks |
| 01:15.49 | peterS | magyar: however, I don't see a module which is specifically designed to handle IDE from your JMicron chip. maybe the 'piix' module? |
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| 01:19.38 | abrotman | erichapkido: have you looked for an extension ? |
| 01:20.09 | erichapkido | abrotman: the quod libet website says it can use m4a but its mutagen 1.6, and etch has 1.5 |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | ah ... |
| 01:20.36 | abrotman | erichapkido: you could build the source package from sid |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | !info quodlibet sid |
| 01:20.47 | erichapkido | abrotman: i think it was still 1.5 |
| 01:20.49 | dpkg | quodlibet: (audio library manager and player for GTK+), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.22-2 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 01:21.11 | stoned | amarok |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | !info python-mutagen |
| 01:21.38 | dpkg | python-mutagen: (audio metadata editing library), section python, is optional. Version: 1.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 312 kB |
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| 01:23.23 | abrotman | erichapkido: i mean .. it's just python .. can you just .. 'replace' the ones from etch ? |
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| 01:23.53 | erichapkido | abrotman: i don't know |
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| 01:24.13 | abrotman | and rhythmbox has the same problem ? |
| 01:24.17 | erichapkido | yup |
| 01:24.49 | Barna | Hi All. What can I do when I get in dpkg "error processing apache (--install) subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10"? Tried to remove everything and reinstall but didn't help... |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | Barna: is there an error above/below? |
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| 01:25.52 | Barna | No... I was hoping for a logfile or something which has more about what happened... |
| 01:26.25 | Barna | Setting up apache (1.3.34-2)\ndpkg: error processing....\nsubprocess post...\nErrors were encountered while processing: apache |
| 01:26.29 | abrotman | you could strace it |
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| 01:32.43 | nmorse | Anyone know how to get the java plugin to work with the latest firefox using the sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin packages? |
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| 01:36.22 | Barna | oh well... I guess Debian wasn't made for a system which doesn't boot for 380 days :-) |
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| 01:36.33 | dvs | huh? |
| 01:36.57 | sjbrown | is there a ration between cylinders and megabytes? does it differ based on the brand of disk? |
| 01:37.04 | sjbrown | *ratio |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | Barna: huh ? |
| 01:37.37 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 01:37.38 | dvs | abrotman: huh? |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | dvs: eh? |
| 01:37.56 | dvs | Oh. My mistake. |
| 01:38.08 | nmorse | sjbrown: That quit being a reasonable indicator a long time ago. |
| 01:38.15 | peterS | sjbrown: 'cat /proc/ide/hda/geometry' (substitute your drive device for 'hda') to see the relationship |
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| 01:38.46 | nmorse | Most disks now have the same number of cylinders, etc. listed despite vastly different capacities. |
| 01:38.48 | Barna | well, this system never booted for 380 days... the first apt-get upgrade was also quite heavy... but now I can't get apache to run, so I'll try apache2 for now... |
| 01:38.50 | peterS | sjbrown: but really, if you can _ignore_ cylinders, heads and sectors entirely, you'll be better off. only partition table readers and writers need to care anymore |
| 01:38.59 | karsten | sjbrown: I don't think so. bytes/cylinder varies markedly. |
| 01:39.02 | abrotman | Barna: running etch/sid ? |
| 01:39.34 | Barna | no clue... whatever was available 2 or 3 years ago... system is running unstable dist |
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| 01:39.46 | peterS | sjbrown: disks these days advertise 63 sectors per head, 255 heads per cylinder. so multiply 512 bytes times 63 sectors times 255 heads to get the capacity of a cylinder |
| 01:40.26 | peterS | of course, thinking about that for two seconds will make you realise that these numbers are fake. no disk is actually shipped with 255 platters, or even 128 double-sided platters. |
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| 01:41.29 | sjbrown | ok, thanks for the answers. especially that formula, peterS |
| 01:41.44 | Dewi | peterS: just tear apart my dreams! |
| 01:41.59 | peterS | Dewi: you should try building a hard drive with 255 heads |
| 01:42.13 | peterS | Dewi: that's like 127.5 times as cool as Zaphod Beeblebrox |
| 01:42.24 | dvs | .... |
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| 01:44.51 | Stevie-O | Some early hard drives got over the various sector/cylinder/head limits by having 1k/2k sectors |
| 01:44.54 | karsten | peterS: "I'm just some harddrive" |
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| 01:46.15 | Malawar | ok, i'm trying to get suspend to ram working, and it seems to work fine (using a bare /bin/bash environment, i can get it to suspend and then return to the shell), builtin commands work (echo, etc), but when i try anything else it locks down. I'm guessing the hard drive isn't getting re-initialised.. but I dunno |
| 01:46.37 | terminal|giga | when i was running etch |
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| 01:46.57 | terminal|giga | the nvidia installer kept complaining about gcc being too new and that the 2.6 kernel would reject it |
| 01:47.04 | terminal|giga | the nvidia.ko module |
| 01:47.06 | abrotman | you can't downgrade |
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| 01:47.23 | Malawar | eh |
| 01:47.27 | terminal|giga | abrotman, I reinstalled. |
| 01:47.31 | Malawar | i installed the official nvidia drivers on etch like 40 minutes ago |
| 01:47.35 | terminal|giga | wtf |
| 01:47.37 | terminal|giga | what did you do? |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | terminal|giga: oh .. that's idfferent |
| 01:47.42 | Malawar | installed gcc-4.0 as well |
| 01:47.47 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:47.47 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 01:48.09 | terminal|giga | Malawar, my problem was I had gcc-4.1 installed |
| 01:48.13 | terminal|giga | and no matter what I did |
| 01:48.19 | magyar | if i type "ALL: 70.54.178.50 : DENY" in my /etc/hosts.deny, should it prevent DNS queries from that host? |
| 01:48.20 | terminal|giga | gcc 4.1 kept comming up |
| 01:48.42 | terminal|giga | !ask etch nvidia |
| 01:48.42 | Malawar | yeah |
| 01:48.47 | Malawar | apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 01:48.56 | Malawar | CC=4.0 sh ./NVIDIA-installer-thingy |
| 01:48.59 | Malawar | er |
| 01:49.02 | terminal|giga | lol |
| 01:49.03 | Malawar | CC=gcc-4.0 |
| 01:49.05 | terminal|giga | I'm so silly |
| 01:49.06 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 01:49.06 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 01:49.08 | terminal|giga | I shoulda did that |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | oh .. that's old |
| 01:49.23 | terminal|giga | my card is a TNT2 |
| 01:49.24 | terminal|giga | old |
| 01:49.30 | terminal|giga | not supported by the 8xxx |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | no .. the factoid is old |
| 01:49.59 | terminal|giga | both are old |
| 01:50.04 | terminal|giga | me thinks |
| 01:50.34 | terminal|giga | Malawar, how did you get the glx packages? |
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| 01:50.53 | terminal|giga | Malawar, could you just give me a brief run down of the commands you used to install the driver on etch? |
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| 01:52.04 | Malawar | ohh |
| 01:52.05 | Malawar | sec |
| 01:52.19 | Malawar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.19 | terminal|giga | thanks! |
| 01:52.23 | JAV | hello, I'm installing apt-build and it ignores my /etc/preferences, any clue? |
| 01:52.30 | Malawar | that's all I did |
| 01:52.34 | Malawar | then changed xorg.conf over from nv to nvidia |
| 01:52.35 | terminal|giga | nice |
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| 01:52.57 | Malawar | legacy drivers but I imagine it'd work about the same for non-legacy |
| 01:53.02 | terminal|giga | i knew I shoulda asked #debian before I nuked my install |
| 01:53.03 | terminal|giga | damnit |
| 01:53.10 | terminal|giga | i need legacy |
| 01:53.22 | Malawar | same |
| 01:53.28 | Malawar | so that'll work :P |
| 01:53.32 | terminal|giga | w00t |
| 01:53.44 | JAV | ok, solved (don't know why) |
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| 01:54.14 | terminal|giga | Malawar, did you have to install anything else for glx and the like? |
| 01:54.20 | Malawar | nope |
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| 01:55.11 | nmorse | !sid java5 |
| 01:55.41 | nmorse | I'm guessing that only works with sarge and etch then. |
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| 01:56.34 | nmorse | Ah well, I'll ask again. Anyone know of anything screwy with the latest firefox in sid and the plugin from sun-java5-plugin? |
| 01:56.50 | nmorse | I can't get the plugin to work in Firefox or Konqueror. |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | java sucks :) |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | nmorse: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 01:57.21 | terminal|giga | i hear by 2007 java will be open sourced |
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| 01:58.30 | nmorse | I'm trying to get java working to play some go problems online. |
| 01:58.41 | nmorse | The normal jre works, it's just the plugin that's screwy. |
| 01:58.51 | n00rul | nmorse: same here |
| 01:58.52 | nmorse | I've tried just about every plugin package I can find. |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | oh .. i used java-package |
| 01:59.16 | nmorse | I wonder if there's some screwy variable I haven't set, like $JAVA_PATH or something. |
| 01:59.24 | bwlang | i'm running out of space on my laptop ... I can't decide whether to upgrade the hard disk or just bite the bullet and buy a new laptop . Anybody seen an economic analysis of when it makes sense to buy a new pc? |
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| 01:59.36 | n00rul | nmorse: but it worked for me |
| 01:59.48 | Malawar | does it feel like you could use a newer, faster machine? :P |
| 02:00.05 | n00rul | nmorse: you need to copy the plugin into ~/.mozilla/plugis |
| 02:00.10 | n00rul | *plugins |
| 02:00.17 | nmorse | I did that. |
| 02:00.21 | pagey007 | bwlang: time to burn some cd's maybe |
| 02:00.31 | nmorse | I can't even get Konqueror to find it scanning the plugins folders. |
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| 02:00.43 | n00rul | bwlang: burn CD's and stick with your laptop |
| 02:00.49 | nmorse | It picks up the other plugins just fine, like kaffeine-mozilla. |
| 02:00.58 | n00rul | nmorse: is it working for firefox? |
| 02:01.14 | magyar | i have a crazy MS2000 server making every second 10 DNS request agains my server. How can I block it? |
| 02:01.47 | n00rul | block the ip |
| 02:01.49 | bwlang | pagey007: i work with big data sets... and need them live - it seems like i'm spending time cleaning stuff and archiving at least once a week - i certainly need a bigger disk - but i'm a bit of a tight wad |
| 02:01.53 | n00rul | magyar: block the ip |
| 02:02.06 | nmorse | No it's not working for firefox or the mozilla suite. |
| 02:02.14 | n00rul | nmorse: strange though |
| 02:02.18 | magyar | n00rul: how, i used /etc/deny.hosts, but it doesnt do jack shit |
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| 02:03.01 | n00rul | magyar: I think DNS requests are UDP. You need to do something else |
| 02:03.08 | dvs | magyar: it's /etc/hosts.deny isn't it? |
| 02:03.10 | n00rul | magyar: I am not sure how to blobk it |
| 02:03.29 | n00rul | nmorse: where did you put the plugin for firefox? |
| 02:03.39 | n00rul | nmorse: ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 02:03.44 | n00rul | nmorse: ? |
| 02:03.50 | nmorse | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | nmorse: sarge ? |
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| 02:04.10 | magyar | dvs: you right, n00rul, it is UDP at port 53 |
| 02:04.15 | n00rul | nmorse: do you have jre installed? |
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| 02:04.27 | karsten | bwlang: How big's your HD? What's your laptop specs (CPU, RAM, ports (usb, firewire, etc.)? |
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| 02:04.31 | nmorse | Yes, the jre is installed. |
| 02:04.32 | pagey007 | bwlang: ok time to part with some $$ ...hand it over,,cash please |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | the package isn't called mozilla-firefox anymore .. it's now /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ |
| 02:04.52 | n00rul | nmorse: if so in the jre directory there will be a plugin under architecture directory |
| 02:04.53 | karsten | bwlang: Personally I prefer buying used Thinkpads and upgrading them with more RAM / faster&bigger HD. |
| 02:05.07 | n00rul | nmorse: you need to create a symbolic link to this from ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 02:05.12 | bwlang | karsten: i have a 60G drive now ... i'm considering the 100G 7k100 |
| 02:05.32 | karsten | bwlang: There's not much I do that's particularly CPU speed intensive, and Linux frequently does better and more reliably on older (trieder & trueder) HW. Plus new kit's insanely expensive. |
| 02:05.50 | karsten | bwlang: Um. I'd pare that down somehow. Most of that's audio / video? |
| 02:05.59 | karsten | bwlang: How much free space? |
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| 02:06.22 | nmorse | Still no luck. |
| 02:06.25 | n00rul | nmorse: what does ls -lR /path/to/jre/dir gives? |
| 02:06.33 | n00rul | nmorse: it will work |
| 02:06.39 | bwlang | karsten: yeah - i'd like to see some kind of economic analysis - htat incorporates $/hour, hours per day , avg. cpu load ... seems like some geek would have done this alread - but google's no help |
| 02:06.44 | belracu | hi all i made a simple linux based router ... how to test which TCP ports can pass through the router? |
| 02:07.07 | n00rul | let me know where is this ~/.mozilla/plugin/libjava.. pointing to |
| 02:07.11 | karsten | bwlang: One of the considerations is that laptops Just Tend To Die after a few years. |
| 02:07.12 | bwlang | karsten: i fluctuate between 500M and 3G free - depending on what I'm working on. |
| 02:07.20 | karsten | bwlang: ... except for those which don't. |
| 02:07.40 | nmorse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.54 | bwlang | karsten: yeah - i don't want downtime if my laptop dies... |
| 02:07.56 | karsten | bwlang: What's your work profile, what are you using the system for, what's taking up the space, what's cpu/ram (second ask), what's make, etc. |
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| 02:08.19 | n00rul | how did you create the symbolic link? |
| 02:08.24 | karsten | bwlang: Best way to avoid downtime is to have a replacement system (could be older laptop) and recent backups. |
| 02:08.29 | dvs | belracu: I'm probably going to get pal'ed but https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 |
| 02:08.30 | n00rul | nmorse: how did you create the symbolic link? |
| 02:08.32 | karsten | n00rul: man ln |
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| 02:08.57 | n00rul | nmorse: did you restart the firefox browser? |
| 02:08.59 | bwlang | karsten: i work with big data sets 4G each - and run a few vmware images that simulate a network |
| 02:09.03 | nmorse | Yes I restarted it. |
| 02:09.07 | nmorse | The symbolic link works. |
| 02:09.16 | bwlang | karsten: i just have a same day service contract now - which has been fine. |
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| 02:09.23 | karsten | belracu: attempt running traffic through the router. Tools like netcat or nmap can make this easier. |
| 02:09.25 | n00rul | nmorse: do you mean jre works under firefox? |
| 02:09.37 | nmorse | No, I mean the jre works for launching java applications. |
| 02:09.48 | nmorse | No browser seems to have been able to get the plugin to work. |
| 02:09.58 | bwlang | karsten: it's an older T40 1.6Ghz cpu 2G ram |
| 02:10.03 | karsten | bwlang: Suggestions: archive server w/ old images, don't pre-allocate all space, use COW images, and nuke systems you no longer need. |
| 02:10.20 | karsten | bwlang: Heh. I'm on an "older" T1, 800 MHz, 500 MB, 20 GB> |
| 02:10.26 | n00rul | nmorse: strange though |
| 02:10.27 | karsten | s/T1/T21/ |
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| 02:10.45 | n00rul | nmorse: http://java.sun.com/applets/jdk/1.4/demo/applets/ArcTest/example1.html |
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| 02:10.53 | n00rul | nmorse: what does that link say |
| 02:11.01 | belracu | dvs, what is that link about |
| 02:11.19 | dvs | belracu: A cheesy way to test your external ports |
| 02:11.22 | bwlang | karsten: i periodically clean up ... but there's not much head room. - plust a dual core system sounds very nice for my workload |
| 02:11.22 | karsten | !tuesday |
| 02:11.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, tuesday is soylent green day |
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| 02:12.06 | karsten | bwlang: Might be. My experience is that disk subsystem is the choke point on most laptops anyhow. |
| 02:12.13 | belracu | dvs, yes it looks cool |
| 02:12.46 | bwlang | karsten: - yep - even with a 7200 rpm drive i watch the disk light a lot... - |
| 02:12.50 | belracu | but my router is inside the network .... now ... having private IP ... |
| 02:12.55 | nmorse | The symbolic link goes to where the plugin is and is functional. |
| 02:13.07 | karsten | bwlang: Ignore that. Watch your iowait stats in 'iostat' |
| 02:13.38 | belracu | dvs, i am looking to profile my router before i take it out to the net .... But i need to convince my FAT boss with some good data |
| 02:13.42 | n00rul | nmorse: did the link that I gave show u panything |
| 02:13.51 | bwlang | karsten: right now it's ~3 |
| 02:14.01 | nmorse | Nope. |
| 02:14.06 | bwlang | karsten: but it's doing a big cpu job while i'm chatting. |
| 02:14.06 | karsten | bwlang: All the access light tells you is that your system's running. |
| 02:14.27 | karsten | bwlang: iowate != CPU. It's the time the system's in a wait state due to delayed access to IO. |
| 02:14.27 | n00rul | nmorse: What exactly it says when you opened that link? |
| 02:14.32 | bwlang | bwlang: it flickers when ther's activity - it's solid when there's enoght |
| 02:14.46 | bwlang | karsten: i'm saying 3 is low - because i'm cpu bound right now |
| 02:14.51 | karsten | bwlang: Hi iowait can contribute to system load: because there are more jobs runnable than capable of running. |
| 02:14.55 | karsten | bwlang: Ah. Got it. |
| 02:16.51 | bwlang | so - it looks like i'll have to do this analysis myself since i can't find one... what should I take into account? $/hour , hours/week working, avg cpu load, avg iowait, cost of new computer, value of current computer |
| 02:16.58 | bwlang | what else? |
| 02:17.15 | nmorse | It says the plugin is missing. |
| 02:17.32 | nmorse | In Konqueror it says that my browser is completely ignoring the <APPLET> tag. |
| 02:17.46 | bwlang | i guess an intangible value i place on not waiting around |
| 02:17.49 | karsten | bwlang: Net impact on productivity of a new system vs. cost. |
| 02:18.19 | karsten | bwlang: are you typically working in an environment in which you can't remotely access / store / archive VM images? |
| 02:18.22 | bwlang | karsten: well... i'm trying to think of how to calculate the "net impact on productivity" |
| 02:18.33 | karsten | bwlang: Ultimately: time is money. |
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| 02:18.53 | peterS | and therefore girls are evil |
| 02:18.58 | bwlang | karsten: i don't keep any vmware images around that i'm not using... |
| 02:19.04 | karsten | peterS: ?? |
| 02:19.13 | peterS | karsten: oh, you haven't seen that proof? |
| 02:19.18 | karsten | peterS: Nope. |
| 02:19.24 | petriborg | girls are evil? |
| 02:19.28 | karsten | peterS: ... not that I doubt its conclusion. |
| 02:19.36 | petriborg | evil like the BSD girl? |
| 02:19.48 | karsten | peterS: That's _not_ evil. |
| 02:19.51 | dvs | petriborg: Got dumped recently? |
| 02:20.03 | peterS | karsten: 1. time = money. 2. girls require time and money: girls = time * money. 3. girls = money^2. 4. money is the root of all evil: money^2 = evil. |
| 02:20.11 | petriborg | no i've been married for about 2 years now :-) |
| 02:20.33 | dvs | petriborg: oh wrong person. sorry |
| 02:20.39 | peterS | karsten: well, 4. can be split into: 4. money = sqrt(evil) 5. money^2 = evil 6. girls = evil |
| 02:20.45 | karsten | LWE 2000, San Jose. VA/SGI Debian release on pallets. Gaggle of BSDers, including the BSD devilettes, trailing me. |
| 02:20.59 | karsten | I pick up a box and toss it to them. "Here, have a real OS" ;-) |
| 02:21.03 | petriborg | theres another petri? |
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| 02:21.23 | karsten | petriborg: And she's quite a dish. |
| 02:21.36 | Malawar | herm |
| 02:21.58 | petriborg | heh the only other petri i've met online was a guy, back waaaay long time ago |
| 02:22.22 | peterS | petriborg: guess you missed his joke |
| 02:22.34 | petriborg | i got the petri dish joke |
| 02:22.39 | karsten | peterS: That's a requirement these days. |
| 02:22.42 | petriborg | but petri is a guys name i thought :-) |
| 02:22.45 | petriborg | petri = peter |
| 02:23.06 | dvs | karsten: by who? |
| 02:23.23 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petri_dish |
| 02:23.50 | liable | karsten: you are, after all, a blight on this channels fine reputation! |
| 02:23.50 | nmorse | It occurs to me to ask what version of gcc everything is compiled with on sid. |
| 02:23.51 | petriborg | lol i think some people have too much time on their hands |
| 02:24.14 | liable | i think i may have just made up a word.. |
| 02:24.19 | abrotman | nmorse: 4.0 or 4.1 prolly :) |
| 02:24.34 | liable | ah, no i didnt |
| 02:24.37 | karsten | dvs: Don't recall off the top of my head. |
| 02:24.40 | karsten | liable: ;-) |
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| 02:24.47 | peterS | nmorse: yeah, 4.1 for most packages |
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| 02:25.16 | nmorse | And do most of you still get the java plugin to work with firefox and mozilla? |
| 02:25.19 | karsten | How do you get a factoid's source from dpkg? |
| 02:25.23 | karsten | Not factinfo... |
| 02:25.29 | peterS | literal |
| 02:25.30 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:25.30 | liable | a cmd? |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | nmorse: i have it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ |
| 02:25.39 | liable | ya, literal |
| 02:25.59 | peterS | literal also lets you stealth-read a factoid, i.e., the bot won't record that you were the last to ask for it |
| 02:26.31 | petriborg | what would it care if you were the last person to ask it something? |
| 02:26.45 | peterS | petriborg: it doesn't care, but you can use 'factinfo' to find out that information if _you_ care |
| 02:26.46 | nmorse | Dangit, for some reason java hates me apparently. |
| 02:27.04 | petriborg | java hates many people :-) |
| 02:27.06 | karsten | Hrm. I was trying to use 'ops' to get a list of channel ops w/o actually invoking it, doesn't seem to work. |
| 02:27.27 | peterS | karsten: /msg dpkg literal cmd: ops (.*?) |
| 02:27.28 | abrotman | karsten: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 02:27.33 | peterS | or that |
| 02:27.42 | nturner | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | good job |
| 02:27.52 | nturner | wtf |
| 02:28.29 | karsten | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 02:28.40 | nturner | =P |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | karsten: of course .. three-quarters of those people don't exist anymore |
| 02:28.49 | karsten | dvs: azeem |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | did you fart? |
| 02:29.06 | karsten | abrotman: Genocide campaign on #debian ops? |
| 02:29.28 | abrotman | karsten: probably more like suicide |
| 02:29.38 | karsten | abrotman: Howso? |
| 02:29.42 | karsten | abrotman: OFTC? |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | karsten: once you become op .. you just disappear :) |
| 02:30.03 | karsten | abrotman: Hence my adamant refusal to be opped. |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | karsten: i don't have that problem :) |
| 02:30.42 | karsten | abrotman: There *is* a god. |
| 02:30.55 | abrotman | karsten: and he curses *a lot* |
| 02:31.28 | peterS | but when he curses something it isn't just some impotent whinge, things actually happen |
| 02:31.40 | stoned | like Katrina |
| 02:31.42 | stoned | :( |
| 02:31.43 | CHodapp | Sure, there's a god, but he's not the imaginary magician-in-the-sky that most people claim he is, right around the time they claim that he speaks... but only they can hear it |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | too bad he couldn't get katrina to swing into texas |
| 02:32.08 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:32.20 | stoned | abrotman, my family's homes were totalled |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | stoned: they didn't live in texas |
| 02:33.19 | stoned | no, LA |
| 02:33.20 | stoned | New Orleans |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | where's initech |
| 02:33.20 | Gnea | stoned :( |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | he's from nola |
| 02:33.21 | stoned | a tree also fell on my parents house in baton rouge |
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| 02:33.35 | peterS | stoned: was anyone around? did it make a sound? |
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| 02:33.47 | stoned | peterS, if no one was around, who could know? |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | woosh... over the head |
| 02:33.59 | peterS | see that's why I'm asking |
| 02:34.08 | Gnea | abrotman: we should create another 10 states: break texas and some other western states up into smaller portions ;) |
| 02:34.08 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | Gnea: why? |
| 02:34.32 | Gnea | abrotman: heh, why not? |
| 02:34.35 | stoned | Gnea, so we can put 10 more Express Death Penalty capital punishment? |
| 02:34.37 | stoned | hah |
| 02:34.40 | peterS | Gnea: the correct tool for breaking states into smaller pieces is called a state machine |
| 02:34.48 | stoned | in the express lane |
| 02:34.53 | stoned | no wait, straight to the chair |
| 02:34.58 | stoned | fuckin texas man |
| 02:34.59 | stoned | :( |
| 02:35.15 | Gnea | peterS: yeah, it hasn't been used in years... not since there were territories |
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| 02:35.37 | karsten | abrotman: Y'know, there's an APOD shot of a nebula called "the fist of god" or "hGod's hand" or something like that. |
| 02:35.41 | karsten | My comment on seeing it was "and boy is he pissed". Looks like he's (erm, He's) flipping a bird. |
| 02:35.43 | nmorse | I say we send the panhandle of Oklahoma to live with the panhandle of Texas as a new state with Amarillo for the capital. |
| 02:35.49 | nmorse | It's not like there's anything else out there. |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | karsten: i've seen it |
| 02:36.01 | stoned | lol |
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| 02:36.17 | stoned | I like the eye of God, the helix nebula I beleive |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 02:36.19 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 02:36.33 | linux_user400354 | !yourmom |
| 02:36.49 | peterS | nmorse: why not lubbock, that's a great little town that needs a little respect |
| 02:36.53 | nmorse | Because until now I didn't know it existed. |
| 02:37.01 | nmorse | Maybe you can steal the capital from Amarillo later. |
| 02:37.09 | linux_user400354 | lubbock, texas? |
| 02:37.09 | peterS | it's right on I-40, you can't miss it |
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| 02:38.05 | mRCUTEO | hello, im a newbie in debian, anyone knows how to use autoinstall package command in debian ? in RH they use rpm and what debian use? |
| 02:38.12 | stoned | !apt |
| 02:38.13 | dpkg | somebody said apt was Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
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| 02:38.22 | abrotman | !tell mRCUTEO about grounding |
| 02:39.13 | mRCUTEO | okie |
| 02:39.58 | karsten | abrotman: Do you recall the caption? I can't find it anywhere. |
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| 02:40.26 | karsten | abrotman: I thought ubuntu was an ancient African word for "I'm sick of recompiling Gentoo" |
| 02:41.14 | abrotman | karsten: caption ? |
| 02:41.22 | karsten | abrotman: For that image? |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | image? |
| 02:41.28 | mRCUTEO | debian_pristine:~# uname -a |
| 02:41.28 | mRCUTEO | Linux debian_pristine 2.6.12-1.1398_FC4xenU #1 SMP Fri Jul 15 02:05:44 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:41.41 | karsten | abrotman: I'd Googled and searched APOD as well as a few other sites I remember mentioning it at. |
| 02:41.41 | abrotman | mRCUTEO: that's Fedora |
| 02:41.42 | mRCUTEO | debian prinstine is the latest? |
| 02:41.46 | karsten | abrotman: hand of god. |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | karsten: oh |
| 02:41.55 | linux_user400354 | today is debians birthday |
| 02:41.58 | peterS | mRCUTEO: yeah the "FC4" in the version string gives it away |
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| 02:42.13 | mRCUTEO | its a xen virtual machine hypervisor |
| 02:42.20 | peterS | it's a virtual server running fedora core 4, or at least the kernel is from fedora core 4 |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | linux_user400354: we know |
| 02:42.21 | mRCUTEO | i install debian inside a fc4 |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | karsten: eh .. no |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | karsten: googel no help ? |
| 02:42.49 | mRCUTEO | peterS yes the kernel is fc4 |
| 02:42.54 | peterS | is there some sort of hair gel product called googel? |
| 02:42.58 | mRCUTEO | but the os is xen (guests domain) |
| 02:43.05 | karsten | abrotman: nope |
| 02:43.07 | mRCUTEO | sorry guest domain is debian |
| 02:43.16 | linux_user400354 | how old is debian today? |
| 02:43.27 | peterS | linux_user400354: it was started in 1993 |
| 02:43.53 | peterS | so if you have y2k problems, it's -87 years old today |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | karsten: http://www.capella-observatory.com/DiffuseNebula.htm |
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| 02:45.18 | abrotman | karsten: none of those ? |
| 02:45.25 | linux_user400354 | somethings wrong im not sure what to do about this. im probably going to get the vanilla linux kernel instead unmodified from linus. |
| 02:45.28 | linux_user400354 | Linux ubuntu 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 02:45.51 | tenzing_ | how can i join my debian pc into a windows domain |
| 02:45.57 | linux_user400354 | can anyone see what the problem is here? could it be my kernel? |
| 02:46.19 | Gnea | linux_user400354: yes, the problem is that you're using ubuntu, not debian |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | you're using ubuntu and you're asking in #debian? |
| 02:46.29 | abrotman | tenzing_: smbclient |
| 02:46.32 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 02:46.32 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 02:46.49 | Stevie-O | how do you confuse ubuntu with debian? |
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| 02:47.00 | Stevie-O | they only have one letter in common, 'n', and it's not een in the same position |
| 02:47.03 | peterS | yeah they totally start with different letters |
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| 02:47.06 | linux_user400354 | what is ubuntu? i just got a cd from my friend. he said its linux, but you guys are telling me its ubuntu. |
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| 02:47.17 | peterS | linux_user400354: yes, it's ubuntu linux |
| 02:47.18 | Stevie-O | peterS: and end with different letters. And have different letters in the middle. |
| 02:47.26 | abrotman | linux_user400354: /j #ubuntu .. there are people there like you |
| 02:47.27 | peterS | linux_user400354: you're in a channel for support of Debian linux, which isn't the same thing |
| 02:47.39 | ph00 | ubuntu: an ancient african word meaning "can't install Debian" |
| 02:47.55 | peterS | ph00 has been reading diveintomark |
| 02:48.06 | liable | thats quite amusing |
| 02:48.15 | ph00 | yup |
| 02:48.17 | ph00 | yeah |
| 02:48.23 | karsten | abrotman: Talking to a friend. |
| 02:48.28 | peterS | ph00: it's courtesy to attribute jokes when you didn't make them up |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | karsten: you lie! |
| 02:48.31 | karsten | abrotman: IRL. |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | karsten: LIES! |
| 02:48.44 | karsten | abrotman: Nice colllection. |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | karsten: is your nebula there? |
| 02:49.07 | ph00 | peters sorry I didn't remember who said that first |
| 02:49.22 | peterS | yeah, it was Mark Pilgrim |
| 02:49.24 | Gnea | Stevie-O: lack of education. |
| 02:49.24 | Gnea | linuoh boy, you have much to learn..... |
| 02:49.24 | Gnea | !tell linux-usabout newbie_guide |
| 02:49.26 | karsten | abrotman: I think it's a particular framing of the Eagle nebula. |
| 02:49.26 | peterS | at least, that's where I came across it |
| 02:49.38 | abrotman | karsten: ok |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | Gnea: don't even bother |
| 02:49.47 | ph00 | OK |
| 02:49.54 | Nurbs | gah, setting 1205 packages up in one evening is enough. |
| 02:49.57 | sitri | how nice, Debian is 13 years old. |
| 02:49.59 | pourriture_ | i think you are wrong |
| 02:50.19 | ph00 | ubuntu: an ancient african word meaning "can't install Debian" [by Mark Pligrim] |
| 02:50.30 | ph00 | better so? |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | Nurbs: that's what you get for installing kde |
| 02:50.50 | peterS | ph00: right, or you could say "as Mark Pilgrim says, ubuntu is an ancient..." |
| 02:51.04 | Nurbs | abrotman: I admit it :) |
| 02:51.21 | Gnea | ouch, something broke on this end |
| 02:51.51 | peterS | ph00: mark is the same guy who said he uses thunderbird as it's "like evolution, but intelligently designed". I love that one. |
| 02:52.11 | magyar | a crazy MS2000 server making every second 10 DNS request agains my server. How can I block it? |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | turn it off |
| 02:52.51 | peterS | set your DNS server to only answer queries from your own networks |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | if windows only does something stupid every 10 seconds .. you're in luck |
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| 02:53.10 | karsten | peterS: Oi. |
| 02:53.15 | peterS | abrotman: nah, he meant 10 times per second |
| 02:53.27 | karsten | peterS: Best thing that can be said about evo is the ximian connector module. |
| 02:53.34 | ph00 | anyways, I've been trying to reconfigure my keyboard (I'm on etch) because the altgr key doesnt work right after logging in, I need to use the settings menu and re-apply those settings, then it works. problem is that when I try to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, after the reconfiguration I get the output "warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 02:53.34 | ph00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.54 | karsten | ph00: Read the head of that file for instructions on resetting that. |
| 02:53.55 | ph00 | peters *he* said that too? OK that's one funny guy |
| 02:53.58 | peterS | karsten: yeah, I haven't actually tried either evo or tbird, I just thought the pun was funny |
| 02:54.21 | karsten | peterS: Well, yeah, and you *are* from Kansas. |
| 02:54.28 | magyar | peterS: its a name server for the net, bind is rejecting it in the logs with "named[29772]: client 70.54.178.50#36880: query (cache) denied" |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | peterS: still not that bad :) |
| 02:55.05 | abrotman | peterS: can you make dpkg -l .. not read from $PWD only ? |
| 02:55.07 | linux_user400354 | is there a guide for installing and using xgl in debian? |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | no |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | linux_user400354: AND YOU'RE NOT USING DEBIAN |
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| 02:55.25 | peterS | abrotman: what? it doesn't use the current working directory |
| 02:55.28 | ph00 | karsten "Could not open the file /etc/X11/X." . that's gedit. what should I open it with? |
| 02:55.31 | liable | linux_user400354: no, but there is for ubuntu |
| 02:55.33 | linux_user400354 | ill be using debian on the server computer |
| 02:55.38 | linux_user400354 | etch |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | peterS: download a .deb to /tmp/ ... like say .. bash-blahblahblah.deb .. then cd /tmp;dpkg -l bash* |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | peterS: it only shows the one in that dir |
| 02:56.02 | peterS | ph00: that's a symlink to a server binary. I don't advise opening binary executables with an editor |
| 02:56.03 | sitri | liable: actually there is a guide for installing XGL on Debian...it's just not very good and doesn't work |
| 02:56.22 | karsten | abrotman: Found it! |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | linux_user400354: etch doesn't have xgl |
| 02:56.32 | ph00 | peters OK, what should I open it with? |
| 02:56.32 | peterS | abrotman: the 'bash*' is a shell wildcard, nothing to do with dpkg -l. |
| 02:56.32 | liable | sitri: ah, yeah, i have seen that one i think (for etch, french dude?) |
| 02:56.34 | abrotman | karsten: see .. i knew you could have kids if you tried hard enough |
| 02:56.35 | karsten | abrotman: Presenting: The Hand of God: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030630.html |
| 02:56.41 | peterS | ph00: don't open it. why do you think you want to? |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | peterS: it reads the pckage |
| 02:56.53 | sitri | liable: I believe so, his website is somethinganother.com.fr |
| 02:56.56 | karsten | abrotman: I'll be sure to tell you all about it so you'll know what it's like |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | karsten: hhee |
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| 02:57.04 | linux_user400354 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.05 | karsten | abrotman: Told you it was worth it ;-) |
| 02:57.15 | linux_user400354 | is there a repo for xgl in sarge? |
| 02:57.17 | peterS | abrotman: it does? not on my system |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | linux_user400354: stop trolling |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | peterS: let me try |
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| 02:57.41 | ph00 | because kesten told me to read the head of "that" file, I had just pasted the path to that one so I assumed that was the file he was talking about |
| 02:57.51 | linux_user400354 | does anyone know if there is a repository for xgl in sarge? |
| 02:57.59 | peterS | linux_user400354: you're not using debian anyway, what do you care? |
| 02:58.07 | liable | linux_user400354: no, there isnt |
| 02:58.11 | peterS | linux_user400354: in fact, until 5 minutes ago you didn't know the difference between linux and ubuntu |
| 02:58.14 | amphi | karsten: heh |
| 02:58.21 | linux_user400354 | whats the difference |
| 02:58.34 | peterS | linux_user400354: no difference, you're off-topic here in both cases |
| 02:58.54 | Stevie-O | not using debian? who doesn't use debian? |
| 02:59.01 | linux_user400354 | looks like ill be compling from source code |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | peterS: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3458 |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | peterS: afaik . it's not supposed to act like that |
| 02:59.51 | peterS | abrotman: use 'echo' to see what it going on here. it is an artifact of how the shell works with wildcards |
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| 03:00.09 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. i know .. but shouldn't it intercept .. or the glob just wins every time? |
| 03:00.13 | peterS | abrotman: 'cd /; echo dpkg -l opera*' will show that since there are no files matching opera*, the shell passes the string into dpkg literally |
| 03:00.18 | linux_user400354 | all i know how to do is turn the computer on and off |
| 03:00.30 | peterS | abrotman: whereas in /tmp there _is_ a file matching opera*, so the shell expands it to that filename, before dpkg sees it |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | peterS: seems wrong to me :) |
| 03:00.40 | ph00 | the "difference between linux and ubuntu" is nonsense, like the difference between microsoft and windows |
| 03:00.50 | ph00 | well not exactly |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | peterS: i understand why .. but thought someone would be smart enough to have it not do that :) |
| 03:01.11 | ph00 | more like the difference between porsche and 911 carrera |
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| 03:01.53 | abrotman | peterS: i considered filing a bug .. it just seems wrong .. globbing sucks! |
| 03:01.55 | peterS | abrotman: if you want it more predictable, 'shopt -s failglob' |
| 03:01.59 | ph00 | anyways: does anybody know how do I make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg actually update the file it should write to? |
| 03:01.59 | linux_user400354 | can anyone help me with that or that off topic too |
| 03:02.08 | peterS | abrotman: then you'll get an error in the second case rather than an unexpanded glob |
| 03:02.11 | abrotman | linux_user400354: you're completely off topic .. go away |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | linux_user400354: you have not asked a single question that was on-topic |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. two |
| 03:03.11 | ph00 | linux_user400354: do you need help turning on and off the computer? I hope I got it worng... |
| 03:03.12 | Stevie-O | Asking on-topic questions here is easy |
| 03:03.15 | Stevie-O | just ask: |
| 03:03.19 | Stevie-O | How freaking awesome is Debian? |
| 03:03.22 | peterS | ph00: stop, please. ignore him. |
| 03:03.25 | peterS | abrotman: that or switch to tcsh, which has that option on automatically |
| 03:03.27 | sitri | anyone know how to boot linux_user400354 from the channel? or would that be againsted the prettyfullness of the channel thing...yea |
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| 03:03.41 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. but it still seems it shouldn't do it .. oh well |
| 03:03.42 | peterS | sitri: I'll do it if he continues |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | let's vote! |
| 03:04.01 | ph00 | peters he's a noob he needs help, or he'll be back on windoze in no time |
| 03:04.08 | ph00 | bout what |
| 03:04.14 | Stevie-O | I vote in favor of X |
| 03:04.16 | abrotman | ph00: he's a troll |
| 03:04.36 | ph00 | linux-user? of course he is |
| 03:04.40 | peterS | ph00: not by my reckoning. he says he's a n00b just to get some responses, it seems he actually has three brain cells already which know about debian |
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| 03:04.51 | abrotman | ph00: you can't not know the difference between debian/ubuntu/linux and then ask for a guide to compile xgl for sarge |
| 03:04.57 | sitri | peterS: I've only counted 1 |
| 03:05.13 | [Cadet] | It's cool that debian has a boot at linuxworld |
| 03:05.19 | [Cadet] | booth that is |
| 03:05.20 | ph00 | abrotman: that makes sense |
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| 03:05.52 | csm | where and when is linuxworld? |
| 03:05.52 | [Cadet] | That's not any of you guys it is? |
| 03:06.08 | [Cadet] | csm: Now in San Francisco |
| 03:06.14 | csm | no we're all going to dragoncon |
| 03:06.17 | csm | :) |
| 03:06.18 | abrotman | [Cadet]: one guy from the channel is there that i'm aware of |
| 03:06.20 | ph00 | linuxworld.org? |
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| 03:06.26 | [Cadet] | abrotman: Who? |
| 03:06.31 | abrotman | ralph :) |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | [Cadet]: it's Don |
| 03:06.44 | peterS | linux world conference and expo. don't know the URL, but 'lwce' is probably very google-friendly |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | linuxworldexpo.com |
| 03:06.54 | csm | hehe I guess I should have just waited a few days after MacWorld for linuxworld Lol |
| 03:07.15 | [Cadet] | Free beer tonight from Palmsource ;) |
| 03:07.39 | abrotman | oh .. yeah .. so subtle |
| 03:07.58 | peterS | I'd rather have free software |
| 03:08.03 | [Cadet] | You betcha, especially when they have Guinness |
| 03:08.06 | peterS | and not only because I hate beer |
| 03:08.20 | csm | yeh Guinness Draught :P |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | pourriture: you just can't run fast enough :) |
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| 03:08.38 | csm | LOL Pourriture |
| 03:08.46 | ph00 | southern |
| 03:08.48 | [Cadet] | Gotta drop buy the ATM tomorrow morning so I can get some of those cool etch-a-sketch shirts |
| 03:08.56 | sitri | pourriture: I got about 80 chickens...if they don't start layen eggs soon, I send a few to ya |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | buy an atm ? |
| 03:09.14 | [Cadet] | doh, get money |
| 03:09.19 | [Cadet] | to buy shirts |
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| 03:11.02 | liable | i want one of those 'have you moo'ed today' ones. they look cool |
| 03:11.12 | ph00 | how do I make the system use the right keyboard layout without having to choosing it in the regional settings menu each time I log in, porovided dpkg-reconfigure won't actually updtate the file X? |
| 03:11.17 | abrotman | liable: like my tattoo ? |
| 03:11.22 | ph00 | heving to chhose |
| 03:11.22 | sitri | [Cadet]: see if you can find a shirt that says "What is your operating system, the system that you are operating" in a font that sounds indianish |
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| 03:11.37 | liable | abrotman: show me a picture |
| 03:11.44 | magyar | my dns server getting spoofed, how can i block the attacker? |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | liable: no way! .. |
| 03:11.46 | magyar | help |
| 03:11.56 | abrotman | magyar: turn it off |
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| 03:11.58 | Z_Morek | block ip? |
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| 03:12.05 | magyar | Z_Morek: how |
| 03:12.06 | abrotman | magyar: use iptables |
| 03:12.07 | [Cadet] | sitri: Ohhh that would make me veddy veddy happy |
| 03:12.07 | liable | abrotman: why not? |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | liable: i'm not a sheep! |
| 03:12.19 | magyar | abrotman: i am, doesn't do fuck all |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | then you're doing it wrong |
| 03:12.41 | magyar | abrotman: it blocks all DNS requests accept for that host |
| 03:12.46 | magyar | 23:11:54.146477 IP TOROON44-1177989682.sdsl.bell.ca.61617 > primary.pssnet.com.domain: 48974+ MX? a24e8.a.pppool.de. (35) |
| 03:12.46 | magyar | 23:11:54.773453 IP TOROON44-1177989682.sdsl.bell.ca.54596 > primary.pssnet.com.domain: 58707+ MX? atmmicrowave.com. (34) |
| 03:12.46 | magyar | 23:11:55.100944 IP TOROON44-1177989682.sdsl.bell.ca.38928 > primary.pssnet.com.domain: 22095+ MX? host105-77.pool8251.interbusiness.it. (54) |
| 03:12.46 | magyar | 23:11:55.428888 IP TOROON44-1177989682.sdsl.bell.ca.56702 > primary.pssnet.com.domain: 1920+ A? mx01.ameritrade.com. (37) |
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| 03:12.51 | liable | doh |
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| 03:13.05 | abrotman | on that note ... |
| 03:13.08 | magyar | oops |
| 03:13.11 | peterS | abrotman: see ya |
| 03:13.28 | abrotman | night peterS |
| 03:13.58 | magyar | any security exports? |
| 03:14.01 | peterS | hmmm, must go buy some caffeinated substances, I have a lot I should do tonight |
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| 03:14.38 | ph00 | caffeine does nothing |
| 03:14.53 | peterS | true but at least it keeps me awake |
| 03:15.01 | ph00 | maybe snorting pure caffeine would, but coffee just doesnt' work |
| 03:15.02 | peterS | given sufficient quantity, which is quite a bit for me |
| 03:15.14 | peterS | yeah I need more than just a glass of mountain dew, to do much |
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| 03:16.01 | SkareCrow | hello, i just recently set up vncserver so i could maintain my server with a GUI off my windows box. I started up vncserver -geometry 1280x1024 -depth 24 - I then use real vnc to login and it makes me root. no matter what user i start vncserver as it logs them in as root when they connect to vncserver. anyone might know how to change this? |
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| 03:16.42 | Linux_whore | abrotman: what does this command do? i dont understand the output. :(){ :|:& };: |
| 03:16.45 | ph00 | don't use a windows box? |
| 03:16.55 | peterS | SkareCrow: you could run multiple instances of a vncserver, on different ports, one for each unix user who will connect |
| 03:17.02 | ph00 | here's the troll again |
| 03:17.28 | ph00 | linux_puta = linux_user |
| 03:17.32 | SkareCrow | but i dont know where to set up the user that it logs them in. the default is root. it automatically makes me root when i conect to the vncserver |
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| 03:17.43 | peterS | Linux_whore: it's shell syntax for a fork bomb. don't anyone run it. |
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| 03:18.13 | peterS | Linux_whore: what output did it give you? it should have given no output at all, except for trying to crash your box |
| 03:18.28 | ph00 | peters that's the same guy who said he didnt know what ubuntu was |
| 03:18.34 | peterS | ph00: I know, I'm playing along |
| 03:18.38 | Linux_whore | im runinng solaris. bash fork bombs cant touch this computer. |
| 03:18.46 | ph00 | ah OK |
| 03:18.47 | peterS | Linux_whore: then go away |
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| 03:19.12 | hardbop200 | hello: I'm wanting to show my batt status every few minutes. I tried watch /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/status | osd_cat, but I get permission denied. any ideas? |
| 03:19.33 | hardbop200 | cat will work, but it shows the status once, then goes away. I need reoccuring |
| 03:19.37 | sitri | hardbop200: try running it asroot |
| 03:19.49 | sitri | nevermind that |
| 03:19.53 | SkareCrow | never mind on my question |
| 03:19.56 | SkareCrow | i think i got it working |
| 03:20.48 | sitri | hardbop200: try doing making a neverending loop bash script that does what you want |
| 03:21.14 | hardbop200 | sitri: loop in a bash script - simple, but I hadn't thought of it. great idea. |
| 03:22.24 | bws42 | silly question, how do you get dpkg to reconfigure a package (lilo specifically) |
| 03:22.32 | peterS | dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 03:23.07 | bws42 | ahh I was passing --reconfigure as an argument |
| 03:23.37 | bws42 | lol, dpkg-reconfigure lilo tells me to run liloconfig... nice |
| 03:24.08 | sitri | bws42: damn...too late, I had almost sent a message telling you to run liloconfig |
| 03:24.25 | sitri | damn this crappy keyboard and these twitchy hands |
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| 03:26.27 | magyar | SOS http://paste.lisp.org/display/24206 |
| 03:27.12 | bws42 | thanks sitri |
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| 03:29.55 | magyar | can anyone tell me what these means: http://paste.lisp.org/display/24206 ? |
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| 03:31.05 | bws42 | looks like you're sending a lot of emails |
| 03:32.52 | magyar | bws42: i am pssnet, and my dns server keeps blocking that fucker |
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| 03:33.41 | Stevie-O | then blackhole him |
| 03:33.56 | magyar | bws42: the question is, how can i permanently block him? |
| 03:34.09 | Stevie-O | route add -host fuckersip dev lo |
| 03:34.10 | magyar | Stevie-O: do tell |
| 03:34.14 | stickyboy | If I change user's id in /etc/passwd, will I have to re-chown his files to reflect the new id? |
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| 03:35.30 | magyar | Stevie-O: that sounds sweet, will it fuckup my routing?; cause I really don't feel like driving downtown at midnight |
| 03:35.41 | dendrite | stickyboy: Shouldn't have to. Remember /etc/shadow... |
| 03:36.05 | Stevie-O | magyar: Well, it *shouldn't* cause any problems, but I guarantee nothing. |
| 03:36.10 | stickyboy | dendrite: I didn't think /etc/shadow had anything to do with that... lemme look again. :) |
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| 03:36.59 | magyar | Stevie-O: from what i make out of it, that will direct the request to localhost? |
| 03:37.09 | stickyboy | dendrite: File metadata stores owner id numbers and not names, right? |
| 03:37.26 | dendrite | stickyboy: That's what I'm saying, basically. |
| 03:37.37 | magyar | Stevie-O: but the request still be comming in |
| 03:37.47 | peterS | magyar: you can't prevent a request from coming in |
| 03:37.51 | Stevie-O | magyar: Packets destined to go back to him will go back to localhost. Not much point, really, if you're blocking the request. |
| 03:38.03 | peterS | magyar: what packets come into your network is controlled by your ISP, not by you |
| 03:38.43 | peterS | magyar: you can block certain incoming traffic, but the damage (use of your incoming bandwidth) has already been done, so there isn't much point |
| 03:38.44 | magyar | peterS: but I could esentialy reject communication with a host, like blacklist |
| 03:39.18 | mfrisch | magyar: psad does |
| 03:39.26 | stickyboy | dendrite: So if I change his id number in /etc/passwd, will the filesystem be confused when it can't find the user's id number in /etc/passwd? |
| 03:39.38 | peterS | still and all, depending on what tools you have set up, blocking the incoming requests might be easier than blocking responses |
| 03:39.42 | stickyboy | dendrite: Like when you `ls` and the uid shows up instead of the username... :) |
| 03:39.50 | Stevie-O | stickyboy: the filesystem doesn't care, it only uses ID numbers. |
| 03:40.10 | Stevie-O | ls will show the number instead of the name |
| 03:40.10 | magyar | mfrisch: not really a portscan |
| 03:40.12 | stickyboy | Stevie-O: That's what I'm worried about. I want to re-number some users... not change their names. |
| 03:40.15 | dendrite | stickyboy: If you change the ID, then yes, you'll be taking away his files. Remember /etc/shadow *and* /etc/group if that's what you're doing. |
| 03:40.38 | stickyboy | dendrite: Good call, I totally would have forgotten about /etc/group. |
| 03:40.53 | peterS | neither shadow nor group have UIDs in them |
| 03:41.29 | Stevie-O | stickyboy: You'd need to fixup the filesystem permissions |
| 03:41.31 | stickyboy | Oh you're right. |
| 03:41.44 | stickyboy | Shouldn't be a problem. I'll just re-chown after I re-login. |
| 03:41.45 | magyar | peterS: i use shorewall to block and blacklist the evildoer, but i still see him in the logs. The funny part is, if I block BIND(53) i still see named "cache query rejects) |
| 03:41.50 | Stevie-O | and isn't there an /etc/gshadow ? |
| 03:42.04 | peterS | magyar: are you blocking TCP 53 or UDP 53? bind9 uses both |
| 03:42.11 | magyar | fuckin microsoft servers |
| 03:42.34 | sitri | does anyone know if it's possible to change the file system ext2 to ext3 without wiping the drive? |
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| 03:42.46 | amphi | sitri: yes - tune2fs |
| 03:42.48 | peterS | sitri: it's trivial. 'tune2fs -j /dev/whatever' |
| 03:42.56 | stickyboy | Alright, I'm gonna go change some uids... thanks for the pointers. |
| 03:43.03 | dendrite | peterS: Right, thanks for pointing that out. |
| 03:43.04 | mfrisch | magyar: hey bill trademarked that |
| 03:43.31 | magyar | peterS: tcp is for slave transfer |
| 03:43.46 | Stevie-O | the trickier part is: removing an ext3 journal to convert back to ext2 |
| 03:43.46 | peterS | magyar: you can use it for regular requests, it's just less efficient so nobody does |
| 03:44.25 | peterS | Stevie-O: no need, just mount with '-t ext2'. I mean, it's still easy, but if you don't want to bother, there's no need to |
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| 03:45.44 | magyar | peterS: i blocked, blacklisted, hosts-deny, you name it.... but i still see "named[29772]: client 70.54.178.50#56702: query (cache) denied" in my logs |
| 03:46.51 | Stevie-O | iptables -t filter -A INPUT -s 70.54.178.50 -j DROP |
| 03:47.08 | E1ven | I'm trying to install python-subversion from unstable, and it requires python <= 2.3.. I have Python 2.4- I've tried installing Python 2.3 manually, I know the package will work.. Is there some way I can tell apt-get to force-install it, even thought it doesn't think it'll work? apt-get --ignore-missing install python-subversion still give me an error. |
| 03:48.02 | magyar | Stevie-O: :), still there |
| 03:48.29 | magyar | grrrrrr |
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| 03:49.47 | Stevie-O | iptables -t filter -nvL |
| 03:49.54 | Stevie-O | is the input filter being matched? |
| 03:49.57 | peterS | E1ven: 'apt-get update' |
| 03:50.06 | peterS | E1ven: this one's old news, we fixed it today |
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| 03:50.36 | magyar | Stevie-O: dunno |
| 03:50.38 | displaced | wow |
| 03:51.06 | displaced | anyone actually here or are all of these people lurkers? |
| 03:51.07 | peterS | E1ven: unless you're running on the mips, hppa, arm, or m68k architectures, it's still broken on those (: |
| 03:51.15 | magyar | /me shrugs |
| 03:51.50 | ph00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.04 | ph00 | ok |
| 03:52.06 | displaced | i was tring to get some help in iptables and it's a room full of nobody |
| 03:52.11 | displaced | trying |
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| 03:52.31 | E1ven | peterS, Thanks. I've got it installed now. I'm still curious how I would have fixed it on my own, but at least it's working ;) |
| 03:53.11 | peterS | E1ven: grab the source and recompile - that's all it took. python-subversion doesn't support multiple major versions of python at once, so it requires either python 2.3 or python 2.4, whichever one was present when it was built |
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| 03:53.27 | displaced | i've got a crazy setup and i'm trying to get some help, i'm hoping some one has more brains than i do to help me figure it out |
| 03:53.42 | peterS | E1ven: as it happens, 2.3.2-5 was built just a couple days before python was upgraded to 2.4 in unstable, so that's why. |
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| 03:55.23 | peterS | E1ven: also, those kinds of bugs, where a package cannot be installed at all, are very high priority, so usually you just have to wait a day or two and they'll be fixed. or report the bug yourself if you're feeling adventurous |
| 03:56.33 | liable | ph00: theres flight gear, also if you want to purchase a great sim that runs natively, check out X-Plane |
| 03:56.51 | E1ven | peterS, Thanks. What about libapache2-mod-python? |
| 03:57.02 | ph00 | liable x-plane sucks |
| 03:57.17 | peterS | E1ven: I don't know anything about that, I only maintain subversion (: |
| 03:57.22 | ph00 | planes are to light on the stick |
| 03:57.25 | ph00 | too |
| 03:57.42 | liable | ph00: bah |
| 03:57.51 | peterS | ph00: what simulator would you recommend instead which lets you design your own airplane and have it respond the way the real thing would? |
| 03:58.04 | ph00 | I could'n get the latest flightgear to work, I'm going to try again (tried on sarge, I'm on etch now) |
| 03:58.28 | [Cadet] | ph00: Maybe you've had to many beers |
| 03:58.37 | peterS | E1ven: I do notice there is a 'libapache2-mod-python2.4' package |
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| 03:59.02 | magyar | what would cause my routing table to go nuts. http://paste.lisp.org/display/24212 |
| 03:59.04 | magyar | ? |
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| 04:00.21 | peterS | magyar: !H is host unreachable, nyet? your nearest router seems to be sending you a lot of host unreachable messages, or something |
| 04:00.26 | ph00 | peters in theory, the bottom-up approach is *great* but in practice the "real world simulation" they claim to have implemented is too poorly simulating the real world; airplanes in x-plane don't feel like the real thing -not even close. FS with its pre-configurated flight dynamics feels somwhat closer to real flying (on some airctaft at least) |
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| 04:01.34 | ph00 | peters I comapred those simulators quite a bit |
| 04:01.38 | liable | ph00: thats why they give you plane-maker.. |
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| 04:03.23 | liable | ph00: anyway, each to there own i guess.. :) |
| 04:03.31 | ph00 | liable you can design your own planes in FSDS but you'have to decide yourself how the plane will fly: the X-plane bottom up approach is tantalizing, too bad it doesn't really work. I'm afraid we'll have to wait for the quantum computqe do go commercial to actually get something like that |
| 04:05.08 | ph00 | on the other hand, being able to design "planes" that will fly *however you want them to* acn be a lot of fun in its own way... |
| 04:05.19 | rshakin | is there a command line tool to convert pdf to html |
| 04:05.42 | ph00 | you can do the star threk jedi fighter or whatever it is |
| 04:05.48 | ph00 | trek |
| 04:06.14 | inc|freaky | simpsons auf pro7 :D |
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| 04:06.30 | ph00 | there must be a tool like that... |
| 04:08.28 | magyar | thank peterS |
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| 04:11.11 | fluvvell | i need some detailed help on configuring a second nic on a text only system, I have eth0 and eth2, I want eth1 |
| 04:12.03 | liable | fluvvell: you want to make eth2 eth1? |
| 04:12.14 | fluvvell | yeah, if thats poss |
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| 04:13.07 | magyar | peterS: by the way, the reboot seem to stop the bind rejects |
| 04:13.18 | fluvvell | liable: I've been through /etc/network/interfaces and my changes don't make much diff |
| 04:13.47 | liable | fluvvell: i dunno why its creating eth2 if eth1 doesnt exist, but ifrenam can do that, or if you use udev (dunno if it would have been installed for a server, prolly not on sarge without x) you can right a rule to consistently call it |
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| 04:14.06 | liable | s/ifrenam/ifrename/ |
| 04:14.29 | fluvvell | ok, ifrename is new to me, I'll man it. |
| 04:14.35 | ph00 | why is debian labeled as "Debian GNU/Linux" instead for "debian Linux" only? is that because it's so damn old? or is that commercial? |
| 04:14.56 | Coweater | because linux is a kernel, gnu created most of the other tools |
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| 04:15.07 | ph00 | ah well |
| 04:15.08 | ph00 | OK then |
| 04:15.15 | ph00 | makes sense |
| 04:16.18 | Coweater | which is explained on the first paragraph of the front page |
| 04:16.36 | jnoon | can someone point me in the right direction of making a meta-package that will install a group of other .deb's ive built all at once? |
| 04:16.45 | ph00 | wait: who created the tools used in "Ubuntu Linux" (no GNU/Linux) Slackware Linux, and so on? |
| 04:16.52 | Coweater | gnu |
| 04:17.00 | zinx | ph00: which tools? |
| 04:17.06 | ph00 | because of the DWTFYWWI license? |
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| 04:17.28 | fluvvell | liable: ok, heres the trick. eth2 only shows up with ifconfig -a, it won't come up with ifup eth2 |
| 04:17.36 | ph00 | I don't know, all of it, beginning with Gnome, KDE, Fluxbox and stuff |
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| 04:19.06 | fluvvell | in the kernel logs, its not mentioned. I'm teetering on doing a re-install, its just that... well, this is gnu/linux for goodness sake, I shouldn't have to! |
| 04:19.07 | ph00 | <Coweater> which is explained on the first paragraph of the front page: the first paragraph of the front page of *what*? |
| 04:19.18 | soup` | if someone has your password protected nick how do you boot them out or force them to change it? |
| 04:19.29 | Coweater | ph00: debian's website |
| 04:19.51 | liable | fluvvell: ifconfig eth2 up? |
| 04:19.52 | bws42 | soup` /nickserv GHOST username password |
| 04:20.02 | zinx | ph00: various people; not GNU. |
| 04:20.12 | ph00 | I guess you 'll have to log in with the right password while the bad guy is not logged in... if he doesn't do that first |
| 04:20.30 | liable | no, if its regged, you just kick him |
| 04:20.32 | ph00 | Coweater: ah. OK |
| 04:20.36 | zinx | soup`: /m nickserv ghost nick password |
| 04:20.44 | zinx | oh, someone already said it |
| 04:20.48 | bws42_sleep | heh |
| 04:21.00 | bws42_sleep | no soup for you :P |
| 04:21.12 | zinx | :< |
| 04:21.31 | fluvvell | liable, thanks. now -- Error: cannot change name of eth2 to eth1: Device or resource busy |
| 04:21.52 | ph00 | zinx: so why why is debian labeled as "Debian GNU/Linux" instead for "debian Linux" only? is that because it's so damn old? or is that commercial? |
| 04:22.00 | icedtea | zinx, bws42: thankyou |
| 04:22.13 | ph00 | or what? |
| 04:22.47 | ph00 | wine 0.9.19 is taking *forever* to compile |
| 04:22.50 | liable | fluvvell: take it down |
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| 04:24.23 | fluvvell | liable, yep. Now how to make it permanent? |
| 04:24.24 | liable | !gnu-linux |
| 04:24.24 | dpkg | Variants of the GNU operating system, which use the kernel Linux, are now widely used; though these systems are often referred to as ``Linux'', they are more accurately called GNU/Linux systems. Please see http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for an explanation. |
| 04:24.36 | liable | fluvvell: with ifrename? |
| 04:24.48 | liable | fluvvell: its run at boot afaik |
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| 04:25.57 | fluvvell | liable: sorry, ifrename is run at boot? I'm missing something... |
| 04:26.57 | liable | fluvvell: yeah, from an init script iirc |
| 04:27.19 | liable | fluvvell: check /etc/default/ifrename |
| 04:28.15 | fluvvell | liable: not in default |
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| 04:28.28 | fluvvell | liable: I did a grep on eth2 and cant find it mentioned anywhere in /etc |
| 04:28.51 | liable | fluvvell: um, how did you change the name? |
| 04:29.29 | fluvvell | liable: don't think I ever did, but I could sure use a tool to change it back permanently |
| 04:29.43 | fluvvell | liable: If you mean originally that is. |
| 04:29.47 | liable | fluvvell: its should be explained in 'man ifrename' and /usr/share/doc/ifrename |
| 04:29.58 | liable | fluvvell: no, i mean just now |
| 04:30.23 | fluvvell | liable: Oh, took it down, renamed it and brought it up. It doesnt have an ip yet |
| 04:30.40 | fluvvell | but I think I can get that... |
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| 04:31.09 | fluvvell | liable: Yup, dhclient took care of that |
| 04:31.43 | fluvvell | liable: are you saying that ifrename will change it permanently? |
| 04:32.19 | liable | fluvvell: yes, if you edit the neccessary file |
| 04:32.34 | fluvvell | liable: Ah! Which one! ?? |
| 04:32.42 | liable | read the docs for it (it actually changes it during the boot process) |
| 04:32.49 | fluvvell | ok |
| 04:34.07 | fluvvell | oh, its a wireless tool! |
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| 04:35.43 | liable | whaht? |
| 04:35.45 | deadcat | it works on wired devices too |
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| 04:36.16 | liable | yes,but it isnt neccessary a 'wireless tool' |
| 04:37.07 | deadcat | ifrename doesnt seem to automatically change when i put my devices in... it used to. now i have to restart the ifrename script in order to change the dev name |
| 04:37.26 | liable | deadcat: for pcmcia cards? |
| 04:37.35 | deadcat | liable: pcmcia, usb |
| 04:37.53 | liable | deadcat: you could prolly call a preup script in interfaces |
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| 04:38.24 | fluvvell | liable: I think I should have been looking for /etc/iftab. only eth0 was listed there |
| 04:38.37 | fluvvell | Im awaiting a reboot to see if its permanent |
| 04:39.00 | liable | fluvvell: iftab? is that for ifrename? |
| 04:39.36 | deadcat | liable: ya.. its just that i didnt have to do anything before. just setup the /etc/iftab file. |
| 04:39.56 | liable | nothing in changelog about it? |
| 04:40.00 | fluvvell | liable: it was mentioned in the man pages |
| 04:40.50 | fluvvell | liable: all systems go. that was it aparently! |
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| 04:41.53 | liable | hurrah! |
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| 04:43.15 | c0rrupt` | ey does anyone know if there is PLINK for linux? |
| 04:43.22 | c0rrupt` | i would use ssh but it doesnt have the -pw switch for tunnels |
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| 04:44.41 | peterS | c0rrupt`: putty is in debian. don't know if it includes plink |
| 04:45.09 | peterS | in fact, looks like the package you want is 'putty-tools'. |
| 04:46.57 | c0rrupt` | hm |
| 04:47.06 | c0rrupt` | well this actually isnt for a debian box |
| 04:47.12 | peterS | then why are you asking here? |
| 04:47.25 | c0rrupt` | cause u guys are nice and helpful :) |
| 04:47.37 | liable | !aww |
| 04:47.37 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 04:47.40 | c0rrupt` | and i do have a debian box 3 inches from my feet |
| 04:48.05 | deadcat | liable: wheres your photo gallery? |
| 04:48.29 | liable | hrm, why has irssi suddenly stopped giving me emphasis? |
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| 04:49.09 | liable | deadcat: short.dyndns.org/gallery |
| 04:49.31 | jnoon | can someone point me in the right direction of making a meta-package that will install a group of other .deb's ive built all at once? |
| 04:49.32 | deadcat | liable: oh. how you setup libapache-gallery without subdomain? |
| 04:50.14 | liable | deadcat: um, i just put the photos in the site / dir |
| 04:50.24 | liable | deadcat: in a gallery dir |
| 04:50.48 | deadcat | liable: damn. i had to setup a subdomain just to use libapache-gallery-perl |
| 04:50.52 | liable | deadcat: sec, i dunno if i had to change anything, havent touched it for a long time |
| 04:50.55 | deadcat | i guess i didnt know this approach |
| 04:51.42 | deadcat | liable: nice outdoor pictures |
| 04:52.06 | liable | deadcat: i dont think i had to edit anything for that, only changed thew css for colours |
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| 04:53.01 | liable | deadcat: /j #flood and i'll poste my gallery for apache.conf |
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| 04:54.50 | deadcat | liable: ah.. |
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| 04:56.52 | deadcat | liable: when you first saw my gallery. did you think it was libapache-gallery-perl? (= |
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| 04:59.47 | liable | deadcat: untill i saw the bit at the bottom saying otherwise :) |
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| 05:00.28 | deadcat | haahaha. i am using lighttpd now. thats what i will use when my NSLU2 is up and running again. |
| 05:00.59 | liable | did it break? |
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| 05:02.08 | deadcat | ya. it crashed when i wasnt home during the week that was hot as well.. i have no clue what happened. maybe the 1gig usb flash drive decided to crash. and now the d-i for the nslu2 is broken so i cant get it isntalled. |
| 05:02.13 | i07 | could anyone here help me out with setting up backports? |
| 05:02.15 | liable | deadcat: are those things actually usable? |
| 05:02.32 | streuner | i07: what's hard to read instructions there? |
| 05:02.39 | deadcat | liable: yes. i have a real hdd now. just need to wait for the installer to be fixed. |
| 05:03.09 | i07 | streuner: Their instructions fail |
| 05:03.24 | i07 | streuner: or I fail, either one |
| 05:03.27 | liable | i07: double check all your typing |
| 05:03.31 | streuner | nah, read it again |
| 05:03.41 | i07 | liable: that would not be the problem |
| 05:03.51 | liable | i07: what would be then? |
| 05:03.57 | i07 | streuner: could you explain to me what I need to do exactly though? |
| 05:04.17 | streuner | give us more infos about |
| 05:04.28 | streuner | which 'bit' didn't work? |
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| 05:05.09 | liable | deadcat: usb drive plugged in it? |
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| 05:05.19 | i07 | whenever I did apt-get I would just get flooded with a bunch of stuff saying that there awsn I dont remember it just didnt make any sense |
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| 05:06.03 | grendelson | I've been working for quite some tim eto actually understand and be able to code using C++. I feel lie I get it then I don' tuse these skills for months - then I have to start over - rereading books. How can a novice programmer get involved in real world applications? I am a novice with OO design exp. I've been using Debian since 99 so it seems right to try to volunteer here first... |
| 05:06.03 | deadcat | liable: during the install? ya.. i am too lazy to use other firmware to get debian on it.. the d-i firmware seems pretty easy hehe. |
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| 05:06.21 | waiting | grendelson: help me |
| 05:06.38 | waiting | ^^ |
| 05:06.40 | liable | deadcat: no, i mean, how do you plug drives into it? |
| 05:06.45 | grendelson | waiting, that wasn't in the form of a question... |
| 05:06.52 | deadcat | liable: let me show you a picture |
| 05:07.00 | waiting | grendelson: pity :) |
| 05:07.31 | deadcat | liable: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/nslu2.jpg |
| 05:07.42 | liable | grendelson: try and fix bugs might be a good start |
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| 05:07.49 | streuner | i07: well, we need some details, otherwise we can't help, just give us the output of "apt-get .." |
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| 05:08.32 | streuner | i07: /msg dpkg paste |
| 05:08.35 | grendelson | liable, good idea. Do I just hang out at the seedy Debian Bug repository or are there official channels to go through -- lists to get one etc. Please point me to a FAQ or URL if better... |
| 05:09.12 | waiting | grendelson: bugs.debian.org |
| 05:09.23 | waiting | grendelson: it's self-explanatory. if not, then that is a bug and should be fixed |
| 05:09.28 | liable | grendelson: try #debian-mentors on oftc, there are bug squashing parties often, but they should be able to point you in the right direction |
| 05:09.37 | deadcat | liable: also check nslu2_enclosure.jpg in that dir. |
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| 05:09.44 | grendelson | s/dining/diving :-) |
| 05:09.52 | grendelson | waiting, liable Thanks |
| 05:10.16 | deadcat | tuv: debianslug eh? i am debian/nslu2 |
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| 05:10.28 | liable | deadcat: so you just have a flash drive in it for now? |
| 05:10.39 | tuv | deadcat, been there before, but it was missing some kernel modules that i needed |
| 05:10.43 | liable | oh, i just seen the next shot |
| 05:10.43 | waiting | grendelson: an advice |
| 05:10.53 | deadcat | liable: no. its not doing shit right now... i am gonna use that red enclosure when i get it running. 250gig |
| 05:10.58 | waiting | grendelson: it is better to fix a bug in an application that you already use |
| 05:11.10 | waiting | grendelson: meaining, a bug you really encounter |
| 05:11.11 | deadcat | tuv: can you compile your own with debianslug? |
| 05:11.19 | waiting | grendelson: increases motivation :) |
| 05:11.20 | grendelson | waiting, Seems to make sense - necessity being a mother ... |
| 05:11.28 | waiting | grendelson: exactly |
| 05:11.32 | tuv | deadcat, no, but kernel modules are available online |
| 05:11.52 | liable | deadcat: can you plug two disks in and do software raid? |
| 05:11.52 | grendelson | I use VI and I've noticed a bug - it does what it was programed to do - not what I want it to do :-) |
| 05:11.52 | dendrite | tuv: I also run debianslug. :-) |
| 05:11.54 | deadcat | tuv: and you can compile 3rd party using the headers right? |
| 05:11.59 | tuv | deadcat, you sure can compile your own if you're compiling your kernel, but i'm using binaries |
| 05:12.01 | deadcat | liable: that i dont know |
| 05:12.06 | waiting | grendelson: a terrible bug :( |
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| 05:12.12 | waiting | grendelson: hope you can fix it ^^ |
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| 05:12.21 | deadcat | tuv: no. using the linux-headers-`uname -r` from debianslug |
| 05:12.26 | dendrite | tuv: 266? |
| 05:12.26 | deadcat | tuv: what kernel you on? |
| 05:12.31 | deadcat | 266 |
| 05:12.44 | tuv | dendrite, no. |
| 05:12.55 | tuv | deadcat, openslug's 3.10 |
| 05:13.17 | deadcat | tuv: ah. so its not really debian.. debian runs on TOP of openslug right? |
| 05:13.29 | grendelson | waiting, You know what - you may have just started something... I can't get a single CD to burn in my DVD burner! I keep getting told it may be bad media it ay be scsi emul is necessary - perhaps if I understood that code better! or that's probably shooting too high |
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| 05:13.36 | tuv | deadcat, it's all debian except the kernel, which is in the firmware |
| 05:13.43 | grendelson | rewriting cdrecord HAH I can barely follow the MAN pages :-) |
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| 05:13.53 | tuv | deadcat, a debootstrap'ed system running openslug's kernel |
| 05:14.01 | waiting | grendelson: oh, it's a wasps' nest |
| 05:14.06 | waiting | grendelson: enjoy :D |
| 05:14.14 | deadcat | tuv: true.. the debian/nslu2 is debian kernel and firmware. thats where the problem is right now. and the guy is having problem fixing that |
| 05:14.16 | JohnQ | anyone wanna talk me through diagnosing the cause of a bunch of kernel oopses? Using a backported 2.6.16-2-k7 on debian sarge. http://sial.org/pbot/19033 |
| 05:15.01 | waiting | grendelson: do what you want to do (type cdrecord with options, etc.) then reproduce the error |
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| 05:15.11 | tuv | deadcat, i tried debian/nslu2 for a while. it's pretty usable. the only trouble is if you need extra kernel modules |
| 05:15.12 | waiting | grendelson: note down what you have down and the full text of the error |
| 05:15.15 | grendelson | waiting, I've written the current author a few notes with questions and got electronically yelled at... |
| 05:15.17 | waiting | grendelson: report that |
| 05:15.22 | waiting | grendelson: :O |
| 05:15.26 | waiting | grendelson: really! |
| 05:15.41 | liable | grendelson: schilling? |
| 05:15.43 | waiting | grendelson: maybe you were too lengthy ^^ |
| 05:15.51 | waiting | ahahahahaha |
| 05:15.55 | grendelson | waiting, Oh I have - I was told it was my fault for 1) using inferior media 2) not using scsi emuulation and using a Stupid kernel |
| 05:15.57 | waiting | you wrote to him? |
| 05:16.07 | waiting | with a DVD-burning error? |
| 05:16.10 | tuv | deadcat, here are the extra kernel modules for openslug kernel (works for debootstrap'ed system): http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/debianslug/cross/3.10-beta/ |
| 05:16.17 | grendelson | waiting, Indirectly via postings to bug list |
| 05:16.18 | waiting | bwmenahmemh p 30 |
| 05:16.36 | grendelson | waiting, Oh yeah the whole you have to use the commercial dvd burner went well... |
| 05:16.46 | waiting | grendelson: yeah that thing |
| 05:16.54 | waiting | grendelson: I understand him btw |
| 05:17.11 | grendelson | waiting, True true - the need to make a living is strong in all of us... |
| 05:17.12 | waiting | grendelson: I understand th others, too |
| 05:17.13 | deadcat | tuv: ya. but once you get the headers. you can compile anything.. and the 2.6.17 has pretty much everything. including the webcam support. but the guy is not telling how to get that kernel into the firmware. |
| 05:17.31 | liable | he seems to be an unstable nut, unfortunately, noone can seem to pick up where he has left linux |
| 05:17.37 | deadcat | tuv: i am gonna wait for debian/nslu2, i feel its cleaner (= |
| 05:18.01 | grendelson | I just hate being told that I'm stupid for using TDK disks that burn great in a windows laptop with a cheap d burner... :-( |
| 05:18.05 | tuv | deadcat, well until then, debianSlug is the best solution |
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| 05:18.15 | grendelson | liable, Well that is one version ;-O |
| 05:18.20 | tuv | deadcat, a debian system with all needed kernel modules |
| 05:18.28 | waiting | grendelson: yeah so maybe that's not such a good point to start at :) |
| 05:18.39 | tuv | deadcat, without the need to compile a thing |
| 05:18.51 | waiting | grendelson: try something more ... easy - like the linux kernel, or emac |
| 05:18.53 | waiting | grendelson: s |
| 05:18.59 | grendelson | grendelson, The other great suggestion was use Solaris -- so you see this has been bugging me for at least a year - I honestly cant burn any CDs in my deb box... |
| 05:19.04 | grendelson | waiting, HAHAHAH |
| 05:19.13 | waiting | grendelson: ^^ laughing with you |
| 05:19.20 | grendelson | emacs - i dont want to program OS's ! |
| 05:19.26 | liable | !beer waiting |
| 05:19.58 | waiting | grendelson: no seriously - decide if you want that code to be fixed ... and fix it :)) |
| 05:20.10 | waiting | grendelson: I mean that DVD burning |
| 05:20.11 | liable | crecord is C++?? |
| 05:20.17 | waiting | grendelson: it's better if it works |
| 05:20.19 | grendelson | In fact you may have hit it on the head - the kernel may be easier than wading into the mess of current cdrecord... |
| 05:21.06 | grendelson | liable, You bring up a good point - I have so far concentrated on C++ exclusively with a smattering of C. SO most OS level stuff was probably written in C.... |
| 05:21.15 | sitri | o.0 I'm way behind the times, I just found out Debian got a graphical installer! thank you random googling! |
| 05:21.35 | waiting | grendelson: s/most/all C++ is too vague and too bloated for many OS related problems |
| 05:21.38 | liable | grendelson: yup, plenty of apps out there though i guess in C++ |
| 05:21.46 | streuner | sitri: whatever that means :-) |
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| 05:22.02 | streuner | sitri: debian had one before (TM) :-) |
| 05:22.24 | grendelson | Is this network OFTC? |
| 05:22.30 | streuner | no |
| 05:22.35 | sitri | streuner: thanks for rubbing it in -_- |
| 05:22.38 | waiting | grendelson: it is completely impossible to model the operating system into object orientation because the OS has to deal with entities that are non-objects |
| 05:22.39 | grendelson | Got cinfused afte the network change - is still use debian.net |
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| 05:23.07 | liable | grendelson: then your client is fucked if irc.debian.org pointed you here :) |
| 05:23.09 | waiting | grendelson: (that's a very elaborate way of saying "it is full of gotos") |
| 05:23.35 | grendelson | waiting, My MS project is in network analysis tools (hacking tools:-) and it is really c++ style C as far as I can tell (most of the libs I'm using) |
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| 05:25.21 | waiting | I thought "MS Project" was some sort of executive GUI |
| 05:25.38 | waiting | ^- jk |
| 05:26.04 | peterS | who is Ms. Project? |
| 05:26.10 | grendelson | waiting, Oh sorry I didnt realize M$ and MS looked so alike :-) (Masters ) |
| 05:26.16 | liable | the girl next door! |
| 05:26.18 | deadcat | i want to split window 2 and 4 in irssi, but i dont remember how. |
| 05:26.33 | liable | deadcat: /window split ? |
| 05:26.44 | liable | deadcat: /help window? |
| 05:27.16 | liable | now tell me why emphasis doesnt work on mine! |
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| 05:28.36 | deadcat | liable: dont see split |
| 05:29.15 | liable | deadcat: neither do i actually! /window new split; /window move :) |
| 05:29.40 | deadcat | ah new |
| 05:30.56 | streuner | !test |
| 05:30.56 | dpkg | Yes, streuner, you're still online. |
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| 05:32.27 | deadcat | liable: i dont know how to jump up to the region above the current window/region |
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| 05:33.03 | liable | deadcat: just ESC # or CTRL > |
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| 05:33.13 | liable | err, ctrl N/P |
| 05:33.36 | deadcat | liable: that keeps moving the current window.. the top one doesnt do anything. |
| 05:33.58 | liable | deadcat: oh, you want to move a window up there? |
| 05:34.03 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:34.08 | deadcat | liable: its blank right now |
| 05:34.18 | liable | deadcat: get into the window you want, /window move up |
| 05:34.25 | deadcat | ah |
| 05:34.32 | liable | iirc |
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| 05:34.41 | liable | i havent futzed with it a while |
| 05:34.46 | deadcat | damn |
| 05:34.57 | keram | hey |
| 05:35.16 | keram | i accidentally erased the link to X in /etc/X11 how do i make it again? |
| 05:35.32 | peterS | deadcat: yeah you don't switch to a visible region, you switch to a window, and that window happens to be in that screen region. |
| 05:35.44 | peterS | yes, this confused me for awhile too |
| 05:36.01 | deadcat | peterS: ah.. |
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| 05:36.44 | Z_Morek | is appletalk really neccessary if I don't even own an apple? |
| 05:36.56 | tuv | Z_Morek, not at all |
| 05:37.10 | tuv | Z_Morek, and it slows down boot |
| 05:37.11 | Z_Morek | it slows down bootup by a bit, how do I take it out of startup? |
| 05:37.19 | liable | that question made my head hurt |
| 05:37.19 | peterS | Z_Morek: only if your printer insists on using ethertalk rather than the half dozen other alternatives for network printer access |
| 05:37.35 | peterS | Z_Morek: the package to remove is named 'netatalk' |
| 05:37.41 | tuv | Z_Morek, feel free to uninstall it |
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| 05:38.47 | Z_Morek | thanks |
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| 05:39.18 | Z_Morek | on a completely unrelated topic |
| 05:39.46 | peterS | !confuse Z_Morek |
| 05:39.46 | dpkg | No, where was my hamster today, Z_Morek? trousers of the dictatorship of belarus with extra cream |
| 05:39.48 | Z_Morek | I'm having trouble getting x running and I remember hearing that the newest versions of nvidia drivers for onboard nforce video don't work correctly |
| 05:40.02 | grendelson | Thanks so much all for the links to #debian-mentors - th faq alone got me going with devscripts and wnpp-alerts. I can see now a few packages that I work with regularly or have an interest in that have O or RFA RFH next to them! great place to start... |
| 05:40.34 | liable | i need to do .. it.. |
| 05:40.39 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 05:40.40 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:40.45 | Z_Morek | !prize me |
| 05:40.55 | liable | i love that factoid |
| 05:41.03 | grendelson | niiiice |
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| 05:41.18 | keram | anyone? |
| 05:41.19 | grendelson | when bots go bad - tonight on FOX |
| 05:41.30 | sitri | ...did dpkg go crazy? |
| 05:41.32 | Z_Morek | I think it was !sex |
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| 05:41.36 | Z_Morek | that was hillarious |
| 05:41.49 | predder | anyone familiar with yaird: does it operate from /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf? |
| 05:41.52 | peterS | Z_Morek: it's hilarious if you've never heard it before. most of us heard it 10 or 15 years ago though |
| 05:42.08 | Z_Morek | yeah but when you just get into linux oh about 3 weeks ago |
| 05:42.09 | Z_Morek | it's funny |
| 05:42.17 | peterS | well, yeah, then it would be |
| 05:42.40 | Z_Morek | I used irc almost never until this past week |
| 05:43.04 | Z_Morek | I google around and when that fails I ask around here and mythtv-users |
| 05:43.55 | liable | predder: i am an initrd tard, but i would imagine that /usr/share/doc/yaird may shed some light |
| 05:44.22 | peterS | yaird is scary. its internals are nothing short of insane. |
| 05:44.48 | liable | it uses perl? :) |
| 05:44.49 | peterS | to get an idea, look at its Depends: list, and ask yourself whether something that generates an initrd image should really need those things |
| 05:45.35 | liable | that reminds me, i need to look up some crazy perl foo for a perlsmite :) |
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| 05:46.02 | peterS | no need |
| 05:46.24 | peterS | the bot already has way too many ways to 'smite' somebody. the first two that were created were funny, now it's just tiresome. |
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| 05:47.00 | liable | every smite has a place and a time |
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| 05:48.09 | peterS | the original smite, which gave everybody the idea to write their own lame one, actually didn't have the word smite in it at all. I suppose y'all are too n00b to remember it |
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| 05:48.48 | terminal|giga | i got the nvidia driver to work on etch |
| 05:48.50 | terminal|giga | but |
| 05:48.52 | terminal|giga | when i rebooted |
| 05:48.59 | liable | i guess we must be.. |
| 05:49.00 | terminal|giga | i saw a message saying removing NVIDIA TLS |
| 05:49.01 | peterS | ahh, I see penixstrike is still present. not that I've seen Penix for awhile. |
| 05:49.08 | terminal|giga | and now when I use the nviidia driver in xorg.conf i get a black screen |
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| 05:49.46 | moj0rising | Hello! Does anyone know where I can get some instructions on how to set up NFs? |
| 05:49.57 | terminal|giga | google |
| 05:50.04 | terminal|giga | but nfs is really easy to setup |
| 05:50.14 | terminal|giga | rather intuitive |
| 05:50.20 | terminal|giga | just google around for an idea |
| 05:50.25 | moj0rising | Cool. I'm having some trouble because... |
| 05:50.36 | moj0rising | my /etc/exports |
| 05:50.41 | moj0rising | file is blank. |
| 05:50.52 | moj0rising | I went to the NFS web site. |
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| 05:51.02 | peterS | 'man exports', dude |
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| 05:51.10 | moj0rising | and attempted to follow the howto but I;m stuck there. |
| 05:51.16 | moj0rising | ah.. |
| 05:51.31 | moj0rising | no manual entry for that. |
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| 05:51.54 | jnoon | i heard apache 2.2 made it into experimental, no idea where i that is, anyone know? |
| 05:51.58 | liable | !dict condescending |
| 05:52.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'condescending' (3 of 8): Spain's mighty monarch, In gracious clemency, does condescend, On these conditions, to become your friend. --Dryden. ;; Note: Often used ironically, implying an assumption of superiority. ;; Can they think me so broken, so debased With corporal servitude, that my mind ever Will condescend to such absurd commands? --Milton.. |
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| 05:52.23 | tenX | hi everyone - does anyone happen to know how to bind the ISC dhcpd on sarge to one specific device? |
| 05:52.52 | peterS | jnoon: experimental is called that for a reason. if you can't figure out how to use it, a lot of people would argue that you probably shouldn't |
| 05:53.05 | peterS | jnoon: but I'll give you a freebie, add a line to sources.list replacing unstable with experimental |
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| 05:53.43 | wallison | can anyone shed some light on getting a Netgear wg511t pc card working with madwifi and etch? |
| 05:53.55 | tenX | dhcpd demon complain about the undefined subnet of the second device when its up. taking it down, everything works fine. |
| 05:55.04 | liable | wallison: theres some nics docs at madwifi.org, and also /j #madwifi |
| 05:55.16 | liable | s/nics/nice/ |
| 05:55.18 | wallison | liable: thanks |
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| 05:56.05 | carlosz | hi there, i just installed an etch netinstall and can't get the xserver-xorg to modify the xorg.conf file |
| 05:56.54 | carlosz | i've tried using md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 05:57.12 | grendelson | carlosz, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or read the top of the xorg.conf if you touched the file yourself) |
| 05:57.22 | carlosz | the file is empty |
| 05:57.48 | dondelelcaro | tenX: it's an option in the init.d file. |
| 05:57.51 | carlosz | and after using dpkg-reconfigure it says: not updating |
| 05:57.56 | grendelson | Oh. is there one name *.bak or orig or the like? |
| 05:58.00 | carlosz | X file modified |
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| 05:58.47 | tenX | dondelelcaro: thank you i only flew over that one |
| 06:00.27 | peterS | ph00: oh, you _are_ in southern europe, as you said earlier |
| 06:00.35 | jnoon | peterS, maybe u can answer this for me... ive been a freebsd admin for a very long time... im checking debian out now for its nice xen support (and freebsd's lack thereof)... i dont understand completely why software drags so far behind compared to freebsd's ports tree... on freebsd you usually find the newest version of the software, there is no experimental unstable etc... i guess im confused why there is a link between software and o |
| 06:00.35 | jnoon | s in debian/probably all linux's |
| 06:01.16 | ph00 | peters yeah |
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| 06:02.06 | peterS | jnoon: debian doesn't have a "ports tree" in the sense of freebsd. all software in debian main is _in_ debian, fully supported by the developers |
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| 06:02.29 | ph00 | I was trying to get info about legislation: what does network mapping become illegal? but I couldnt find anything, and the local chat is sleeping (it's early morning here) |
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| 06:03.06 | peterS | jnoon: debian stable does not get software updates at all, until the next stable release - just security updates and other such crucial matters. if you want something that vaguely tracks the rest of the free software world in real time, you have to run debian unstable. |
| 06:03.09 | jnoon | peterS, ok i guess im starting to get it... in debian/etc the software is maintained _along with_ the distro... whereas what im used to is completely seperate |
| 06:03.24 | liable | !tell carlosz about xorgmd5 |
| 06:03.41 | peterS | jnoon: right, if you want something maintained outside of debian but intended to work in debian (like ports), individual packages can be found at backports.debian.org and apt-get.org and dotdeb.org |
| 06:04.09 | peterS | errr, not backports.debian.org, I mean backports.org |
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| 06:05.31 | peterS | jnoon: the point of debian testing is as a sort of staging area for the next stable - packages migrate from unstable to testing following some automated criteria (and occasionally a manual override), and eventually testing will be frozen and later released as stable |
| 06:06.14 | peterS | jnoon: the point of debian experimental is that some things are not even yet suited for our unstable tree, which ideally contains packages which potentially could be migrated to testing and stable. |
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| 06:07.13 | peterS | which is to say: our unstable tree is not all _that_ unstable in the sense of buggy. it's unstable in the sense of fast-moving, but we try to keep it reasonably usable. |
| 06:07.19 | jnoon | peterS, cool thanks... if i were to just run unstable i would probably be happy as far as seeing the software versions i need.... however what is _actually_ unstable about it other than that the software is newer? i guess im wondering if i can be a "stable" (ie not a server that reboots every 5 minutes and crashes) by running unstable .... seems like the same concept as freebsd at first glance |
| 06:07.39 | lilliput | hi all just a quick question about synaptic .. a while ago I had a section "New Software" in "status" was really good to be able to see the new software beeing added to debian (unstable) |
| 06:07.50 | peterS | jnoon: right, unstable means packages get updated daily. for the most part they _do_ work. |
| 06:07.51 | lilliput | do you know how to get it back ? |
| 06:07.54 | tenX | dondelelcaro: at the top of the /etc/init.d/dhcp file there is a declaration of $INTERFACES (thats what i looked at before btw) naming only the correct interface. so this should not interfere i guess - do you have another hint for me? |
| 06:08.46 | jnoon | peterS, great thanks i will try that out... i dont run x or anything.. strictly server... so i think i should be ok, appreciate your help |
| 06:09.02 | peterS | jnoon: perhaps once a year or somewhat less often, unstable blows up spectacularly. if you watch the #debian channel topic you'll avoid doing a system update at those times (: |
| 06:09.25 | jnoon | haha good to know! |
| 06:10.07 | peterS | yeah, an update which made it impossible to log in happened maybe 2 years ago |
| 06:10.20 | peterS | I can't think of anything since then at that level |
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| 06:11.19 | g333k | Hi, is ntfs write support enabled on debian now? |
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| 06:11.45 | peterS | g333k: not on debian stable. there are a couple ways to do ntfs writing in unstable. |
| 06:12.16 | g333k | peterS, what about etch? |
| 06:12.46 | liable | deadcat: ping |
| 06:12.48 | peterS | g333k: I guess the recommended way in unstable is to use 'ntfsmount', a userspace program that uses FUSE. etch doesn't have ntfsprogs 1.13 yet, so I don't know if that's recommended there |
| 06:13.39 | jetx | 2.6.15/udev/initrd/stock kernel/multiple ide controllers/ == BORK FOR A WEEK |
| 06:13.45 | g333k | Ok another question, whats the best filesystem? |
| 06:13.50 | jetx | jfs |
| 06:14.04 | jetx | it really depends |
| 06:14.38 | peterS | any self-respecting g333k will benchmark them all himself |
| 06:14.42 | g333k | jetx, of what? |
| 06:14.53 | jetx | on what you need in an fs |
| 06:14.57 | peterS | seriously, though, ext3 and jfs are both highly regarded |
| 06:15.06 | jetx | and what ou think you might want |
| 06:15.06 | peterS | xfs and reiserfs have their fans but they also have people telling horror stories about them |
| 06:15.16 | jetx | i use both jfs and ext3 |
| 06:15.17 | g333k | jetx, I need a fast and safe fs |
| 06:15.22 | jetx | ext3 |
| 06:15.36 | jetx | ext3 also you can read from windows with explore2fs |
| 06:15.46 | jetx | and cp files |
| 06:15.50 | jetx | and dirs |
| 06:15.55 | peterS | whereas with jfs you can dual-boot with OS/2 and use your filesystem there |
| 06:16.06 | g333k | jetx, but not when you use LVM :( |
| 06:16.08 | jetx | / is jfs on mine |
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| 06:16.21 | jetx | /warez is ext3 |
| 06:16.23 | jetx | :) |
| 06:16.23 | lilliput | the option I'm looking for is 'new in repositery' |
| 06:16.24 | peterS | heh, true, neither Windows nor OS/2 support Linux LVM2 |
| 06:16.35 | g333k | jetx, peterS: wow I never heard about jfs |
| 06:16.41 | jnoon | peterS, sorry to bother again. is there a general known thing that unstable contains everything in backports plus some, or vicaversa? trying to figure out if i should add backports to my sources.list on a sid install or not |
| 06:16.46 | jetx | ibm makes jfs |
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| 06:17.09 | peterS | jnoon: don't bother with backports on a sid install |
| 06:17.14 | jetx | i thnk it's backported from sid to sarge, but i don't know |
| 06:17.18 | jnoon | excellent, just what i was hoping |
| 06:17.18 | liable | jnoon: oh dear |
| 06:17.31 | jnoon | liable, yes, im new to the deb :) |
| 06:17.55 | g333k | What about FAT32? |
| 06:17.59 | peterS | jnoon: you're new but you're already calling unstable sid, that's a good sign that you're trying to educate yourself about how things work |
| 06:18.00 | liable | really? :) |
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| 06:18.36 | jetx | i have a fat32 partition around... or did. i just erased windows on that box, must convert the vfat |
| 06:18.55 | jetx | vfat is good if you need a dmz between linux and windows |
| 06:18.56 | peterS | g333k: fat32 is useful for interop with windows, that's _all_ it's useful for. it has a partition size limit of like 80 GB, it's inefficient, it has problems with characters like ":" in filenames, etc., etc. |
| 06:19.08 | peterS | g333k: on the plus side, it stores filenames in unicode. but then, so does jfs. |
| 06:19.22 | g333k | jetx, I have my winbugs on ntfs, my debian on ext3, and my mp3 collection on FAT32 to be avaiable from both OS |
| 06:19.28 | SpeedyG | partitionsize limit, filesize limit |
| 06:19.33 | SpeedyG | fat32 crap |
| 06:19.37 | jetx | g333k: that's about what i do |
| 06:19.44 | peterS | (ext3 doesn't store filenames in unicode - it doesn't care about filename encodings, so you can store whatever you want.) |
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| 06:19.57 | jnoon | peterS, hah, yes... in fact earlier i was even building debs from source out of unstable, and installing into stable in the hopes of getting everything i knew id need and have it be current... but now i know i can just run sid |
| 06:20.55 | pinky | Is there a way to mount MDF files, or possibly just convert an MDF into an ISO? |
| 06:20.59 | peterS | jnoon: heh, right. if you're a long-time bsd admin, you shouldn't have much trouble fixing stuff if it does break in sid - once you learn your way around the apt and dpkg tools a bit |
| 06:21.00 | g333k | peterS, jetx: not always.... I'm spanish speaking so I have problems using the "" and the accent |
| 06:21.06 | jetx | etch is a good desktop, and only a little behind sid |
| 06:21.36 | jetx | pinky: apt-get install kexi.. it's part of koffice now though i think |
| 06:21.49 | jetx | apt-cache search kexi or apt-file search |
| 06:21.58 | jetx | not sure if it's in stable though |
| 06:22.04 | jetx | err |
| 06:22.09 | jetx | nm don't |
| 06:22.21 | pinky | jetx: kexi isn't a package? I'm running testing. |
| 06:22.24 | jetx | wornk format .mda!=.mdb |
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| 06:22.39 | pinky | Uhmm, I'm talking about MDFs |
| 06:22.56 | jetx | err mdf!=mdb then |
| 06:23.14 | jetx | !nevermind |
| 06:23.30 | peterS | g333k: well: with jfs and fat32, they store filenames in unicode on the disk, and you tell the kernel what encoding you'd like to see when you mount the filesystem. with ext3 and the others, the kernel doesn't care at all what encoding you use for filenames, it stores whatever you type |
| 06:24.03 | g333k | I have a serious problem..... I have 4 primary partition.... now I want to shrink one of them and create another partition to put it inside my LVM, but I have no more space avaiable for one more partition, what do you suggest? |
| 06:24.25 | jetx | mdf is nero or what.. i think |
| 06:24.31 | g333k | peterS, nice then... |
| 06:24.37 | jetx | you can have only 4 primaries |
| 06:24.40 | pinky | jetx: No, that's NRG. |
| 06:24.52 | jetx | you'd have to delete one and make it extended |
| 06:25.11 | g333k | jetx, this is my problem... I dont want to delete any :( |
| 06:25.17 | peterS | g333k: back up your data, delete one partition, create an extended partition. inside that you can recreate your deleted partition, or just create an LVM PV |
| 06:25.20 | jetx | buy a new hd then |
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| 06:26.01 | jetx | !mdf |
| 06:26.11 | g333k | jetx, My IDES slots are full 2 hdds,1 CD-RW and 1 DVD-RW |
| 06:26.11 | jetx | worth a shot |
| 06:26.27 | jetx | buy a 20 buck addin controller card |
| 06:26.31 | jetx | mine works fine |
| 06:26.43 | g333k | jetx, is it possible? |
| 06:26.44 | peterS | so spam your 30 gmail accounts with 30 GB of binary data from your partition |
| 06:26.46 | jetx | raid and everything, 100% native |
| 06:26.52 | liable | hah |
| 06:26.55 | g333k | jetx, I never heard about that |
| 06:27.02 | liable | peterS: novel idea :) |
| 06:27.07 | jetx | yeah i have hde,f,g,h... |
| 06:27.17 | jetx | as well as abcd |
| 06:27.19 | peterS | liable: not too novel, there exists a 'gmailfs' that does this automatically |
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| 06:27.53 | liable | peterS: oh.. well, novel to me :P |
| 06:28.06 | g333k | jetx, what brand/model is your "adding controller card"? |
| 06:28.08 | jetx | lol gmialfs |
| 06:28.12 | jetx | siimage iirc |
| 06:28.20 | jetx | i got it at fry's |
| 06:28.33 | peterS | liable: my reaction to that is "oh, come on, if you _really_ need an off-site backup for a GB of data, buy a freaking flash drive, they're like under $50" |
| 06:28.58 | g333k | What media do you use for backups? DVDs ? |
| 06:29.19 | peterS | g333k: rsync to another machine |
| 06:29.23 | jetx | hd |
| 06:29.35 | jetx | i got sick of burning dvd's |
| 06:29.42 | liable | peterS: indeed, but thats a nice approach for an emergency. hadn't ever even considored a backup with that king of approach :) |
| 06:29.56 | g333k | jetx, so you buy hds and store them in a box? |
| 06:30.04 | liable | gah, i must get a thesaurus |
| 06:30.06 | g333k | jetx, under your bed? |
| 06:30.17 | jetx | g333k: nah they're all hooked up to boxes |
| 06:30.32 | g333k | jetx, but they can die someday |
| 06:30.33 | jetx | 'computers' |
| 06:30.37 | SpeedyG | hehe, there goes more storage on a good hdd, than on a cd/dvd ;) |
| 06:30.58 | SpeedyG | and one hdd takes less space under your bed than a stack of cd/dvds |
| 06:31.03 | pinky | Is there no package to mount/convert MDF/MDS image files? |
| 06:31.10 | jetx | g333k: i don't have tertiary backups |
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| 06:31.23 | jetx | wtf is mdf... alcohol120? |
| 06:31.26 | jetx | i've seen one |
| 06:31.32 | pinky | jetx: I think so... |
| 06:31.35 | SpeedyG | yep, alcohol120 |
| 06:31.39 | g333k | jetx, I mean... the only way to make a hd a safe backup media, is when it is not working |
| 06:31.52 | pinky | I think it's still just a dump of the ISO9660 filesystem though |
| 06:32.00 | jetx | apt-cache search mdf maybe, or alcohol |
| 06:32.24 | jetx | they're a little funny iirc, or so i read. |
| 06:32.32 | jetx | you may be able to just mount it |
| 06:32.44 | jetx | but that could have been nero ones |
| 06:33.21 | pinky | Hmm, apparently Ubuntu has an mdf2iso package... |
| 06:33.27 | pinky | That's strangely missing in Etch |
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| 06:33.59 | peterS | pinky: is that in ubuntu or just ubuntu universe? |
| 06:33.59 | jetx | g333k: what i'm scared to lose, is backed up. if it's not backed up, i don't care about it that much. |
| 06:34.04 | jetx | !find mdf |
| 06:34.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mdf' (5 of 25): (/usr/bin/rmdfile) in comm/mgetty-pvftools ;; (/usr/include/c-client/mmdf.h) in libdevel/libc-client-dev ;; (/usr/include/kvirc/3.2.4/kvi_cmdformatter.h) in devel/kvirc-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/mh-book/html/mh/figs/sams1mdf.jpg) in doc/mh-book ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/kcmdf.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono. |
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| 06:34.33 | jetx | !find mdf2iso |
| 06:34.38 | peterS | hahahaha! mmdf.h! wow, that brings back memories |
| 06:34.50 | pinky | peterS: It's in Universe apparently. |
| 06:34.53 | jetx | it's either in sources, or you can compile it |
| 06:34.56 | jetx | i forget |
| 06:34.58 | pinky | I'm going to just try installing the Ubuntu package |
| 06:35.04 | peterS | errr, wait, I was thinking of that other mail-related abomination, pmdf |
| 06:35.06 | jetx | go for it! |
| 06:35.25 | K`zan | Hi folks, I'm trying to download a deb dvd to try out on the (ancient) PII laptop and it just isn't clear what I need to get. The download site shows 2 torrent for deb, it takes almost 9G to install deb from? Please help, I am really confused. |
| 06:35.27 | g333k | jetx, on day I woke up.... I turned on my PC and realize that I was lost 80G of music :( Since then I'm a freaky backuper |
| 06:35.39 | SpeedyG | g333k: lucky you |
| 06:35.39 | liable | hehe, aptitude show rocklight |
| 06:35.49 | K`zan | [ ] debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent 21-Apr-2006 15:13 88K |
| 06:35.49 | K`zan | [ ] debian-31r2-i386-binary-2.iso.torrent 21-Apr-2006 15:13 83K |
| 06:35.52 | peterS | g333k: I keep all my music backed up to pressed CDs |
| 06:35.53 | SpeedyG | I got back from holiday, turned my computer on... and found out that I lost my hdd :/ |
| 06:35.58 | K`zan | is what it is showing, do I need both?!? |
| 06:36.05 | peterS | K`zan: no, you only need the first one |
| 06:36.17 | peterS | K`zan: in fact, you probably only need the netinst CD, which is about 110 MB. |
| 06:36.20 | g333k | SpeedyG, hahaaa how come? |
| 06:36.25 | K`zan | peterS: Thanks VERY much! |
| 06:36.27 | SpeedyG | g333k: old crappy hdd |
| 06:36.39 | SpeedyG | but since it was my OS-disk, it caused a lot of crap |
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| 06:37.01 | peterS | K`zan: netinst means you install the base system from CD, then any other packages you want, you pull them down off the debian ftp mirrors |
| 06:37.02 | pinky | K`zan: In fact, if you have a fast Internet connection I'd recommend using the netinst CD, so you can choose which packages you'd like installed. |
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| 06:37.31 | jetx | businesscard is even smaller, d'l's base |
| 06:37.33 | liable | isnt r3 out? |
| 06:37.34 | g333k | SpeedyG, NOw I backup in DVDs, and have the corner of the Bakcups in my room... btw this corner is increasing every day |
| 06:37.42 | peterS | liable: of etch debian-installer? yes |
| 06:37.43 | jetx | yeah beta3 |
| 06:38.10 | liable | actually, i was thinking sarge had a r3? |
| 06:38.22 | jetx | not afaik |
| 06:38.25 | liable | must be confusing myself.. :/ |
| 06:38.26 | peterS | liable: oh ... I forget the current sarge |
| 06:38.31 | peterS | it might be r2, might be r3 |
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| 06:38.59 | sanmarcos | First of all, what is the real practical difference between using the lp and lpr commands? Second of all how would I print a word document, or a png/jpeg image? do I have to convert it before piping it to the lpr command? Thanks. Using CUPS |
| 06:39.00 | jetx | 2 unless it changed recently |
| 06:39.22 | cougar` | Hey all... I need some help... |
| 06:39.26 | cougar` | I'm getting this in my syslog.... |
| 06:39.28 | cougar` | Aug 16 02:36:18 mercury kernel: ip_queue: full at 1024 entries, dropping packets(s). Dropped: 4337 |
| 06:39.30 | cougar` | Aug 16 02:36:19 mercury kernel: ip_queue: full at 1024 entries, dropping packets(s). Dropped: 4338 |
| 06:39.32 | cougar` | Aug 16 02:36:19 mercury kernel: ip_queue: full at 1024 entries, dropping packets(s). Dropped: 4339 |
| 06:39.36 | cougar` | I believe this is why internet connectivty with the exception of HTTP support fail to work from my machines behind the Debian System |
| 06:39.43 | basanta | can't add printer after upgrading cups to in my debian etch box. |
| 06:39.49 | peterS | cougar`: DON'T FLOOD OUR CHANNEL, thanks |
| 06:39.49 | liable | sanmarcos: install cupsys-bsd and you can use lpr |
| 06:40.02 | jetx | damn chatzilla user |
| 06:40.06 | K`zan | Thanks again folks, got the dvd coming in, will be back later! |
| 06:40.09 | sanmarcos | liable: that did not answer my question |
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| 06:40.15 | cougar` | I didn't |
| 06:40.18 | peterS | sanmarcos: lp and lpr are two different command line interfaces which originated on different Unix systems. not everyone can agree on which is more comforatble to use, so modern linux systems provide both |
| 06:40.19 | cougar` | Sorry if I did |
| 06:40.53 | peterS | cougar`: yes you did, you pasted 3 lines and typed 3 other lines, in quick succession. that's 6 lines, filled up my whole screen. |
| 06:40.55 | liable | sanmarcos: well, if you have cups, i dont think you have lpr.. |
| 06:41.05 | liable | sanmarcos: unless you have cupsys-bsd.. |
| 06:41.18 | jetx | you can spam greatly with chatzilla... it's a feature |
| 06:41.39 | liable | i must stop using periods |
| 06:41.40 | sanmarcos | peterS: but they have the same features, what should I use, and what about piping word documents? what formats do printers support? postscript? |
| 06:43.11 | peterS | sanmarcos: assuming you're using cupsys, printers support whatever formats cupsys supports. some printers can take only postscript, cups translates other formats into postscript for them |
| 06:43.43 | sanmarcos | peterS: allright, so I should search for a image/word to poscript converter |
| 06:43.58 | tenX | gnite :) |
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| 06:44.08 | g333k | sanmarcos, are you able to print from console? |
| 06:44.22 | sanmarcos | g333k: obviously |
| 06:44.49 | peterS | sanmarcos: well, I'm not sure exactly what formats cupsys can handle on its own. back in the days before everyone used cups, a lot of us used the 'magicfilter' package to convert lots of formats into postscript automatically (and from there, into the printer's native format, such as PCL, if needed) automatically when printing |
| 06:45.06 | sanmarcos | !pcl |
| 06:45.07 | dpkg | i heard pcl is Peripheral Conversion Language HP's "Printer Control Language", for which there is a generic interpreter at http://www.artifex.com/downloads/, or at http://www.ghostscript.com |
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| 06:45.16 | sanmarcos | that is only on HP? |
| 06:45.17 | g333k | sanmarcos, how do you do? I execute lpr -Php2175 file.txt, and it doesnt print anything |
| 06:45.17 | cougar` | Can anyone help me with an ip_queue problem? |
| 06:46.00 | sanmarcos | g333k: make sure cups is set up allright, set your default printer or man lpr, and echo file.txt | lpr |
| 06:46.07 | sanmarcos | or lp, I dont know why they dont choose one |
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| 06:46.28 | sanmarcos | g333k: check the CUPS doc that are in the local admin panel, they helped me print and improve my sex life |
| 06:47.40 | peterS | sanmarcos: why choose one if you can provide both? people like g333k will want lpr because he's from the BSD world, people who use Solaris will prefer lp |
| 06:48.23 | sanmarcos | peterS: one should be chosen the standard, I dont know, as long as it works, I could care less |
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| 06:48.56 | g333k | When I try to print a Test Page from CUPS web page I receive this message: Quota limit reached., why? |
| 06:49.30 | sanmarcos | peterS: how does abiword print documents? |
| 06:49.31 | waiting | because your quota limit is exceeded |
| 06:49.38 | peterS | sanmarcos: I don't use abiword |
| 06:49.47 | sanmarcos | peterS: hmm I wonder what voodoo they do to print word to PCL printers |
| 06:49.55 | sanmarcos | I cant find any console tools to convert from word to postrcript |
| 06:50.12 | g333k | waiting, I never set a quota limit |
| 06:50.22 | waiting | g333k: maybe somebody else did |
| 06:50.23 | sanmarcos | peterS: antiword! |
| 06:50.28 | peterS | someone set up us the quota! |
| 06:50.33 | g333k | waiting, who? |
| 06:50.40 | sanmarcos | heh |
| 06:50.40 | waiting | g333k: your sysadmin? |
| 06:50.49 | g333k | waiting, I'm my sysadmin :p |
| 06:51.00 | waiting | g333k: maybe you got split personality :D |
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| 06:51.06 | waiting | g333k: jk |
| 06:51.19 | waiting | g333k: see cupsd.conf or what's it called, can be turned off |
| 06:51.39 | g333k | waiting, I did, theres no quotas there |
| 06:51.44 | waiting | :o |
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| 06:52.51 | sanmarcos | without cups we would be in the oven |
| 06:52.59 | sanmarcos | I mean, I dont want to know how things were before cups |
| 06:53.05 | waiting | I know |
| 06:53.08 | waiting | they were ok |
| 06:53.14 | sanmarcos | cups got a pretty unix computer smiling next to a printer |
| 06:53.17 | sanmarcos | the logo is so cute, they are in love |
| 06:53.33 | sanmarcos | quality software indeed |
| 06:53.48 | g333k | waiting, see my printers.conf in #flood |
| 06:54.01 | sanmarcos | is that a new illness? |
| 06:55.09 | peterS | you're thinking of coffever |
| 06:55.17 | RvGaTe | good morning |
| 06:55.40 | basanta | anyone having problem adding printer after cups upgarde ? |
| 06:56.46 | waiting | g333k: is it a remote print? |
| 06:56.52 | g333k | waiting, local |
| 06:56.56 | waiting | g333k: k |
| 06:57.08 | waiting | g333k: restart cups and try again ^^ |
| 06:57.18 | g333k | lol |
| 06:57.23 | waiting | do it :) |
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| 07:01.02 | waiting | a long silence followed ... |
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| 07:01.52 | jnoon | ok, anyone know the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap? |
| 07:03.12 | peterS | one's written in C |
| 07:03.16 | peterS | the other is a shell script |
| 07:03.41 | peterS | cdebootstrap is a newer reimplementation of debootstrap |
| 07:03.51 | peterS | eventually one or the other will go away |
| 07:04.24 | sanmarcos | is there a channel which does your homework for you here? |
| 07:04.47 | peterS | sanmarcos: probably #php |
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| 07:05.17 | sanmarcos | peterS: nice, too many kids in there? |
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| 07:05.32 | peterS | sanmarcos: I only say that to be mean to them |
| 07:05.52 | g333k | problem solved: I had to delete and add the printer again :s |
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| 07:06.23 | liable | i want to see what :s looks like on a real face |
| 07:06.26 | sanmarcos | g333k: excellent solution |
| 07:06.39 | liable | i just cant picture it.. |
| 07:06.47 | tijn_ | gives* |
| 07:07.10 | sanmarcos | if the baby is 14 inches long, how many months is the mother pregnant? |
| 07:07.33 | g333k | sanmarcos, It's the solution like the IT Crowd "have you tryin turning off and turning on again?" |
| 07:08.26 | jnoon | peterS, thanks |
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| 07:15.52 | buu | Hrm. Anyone have a favorite cui based mp3 player? |
| 07:16.10 | peterS | buu: people seem to prefer either cplay or mp3blaster |
| 07:16.17 | buu | peterS: I use cplay |
| 07:16.25 | buu | But when I feed it my mp3 directory it starts crying. |
| 07:16.32 | peterS | it does? |
| 07:16.34 | buu | s/use/tried/ |
| 07:16.35 | buu | peterS: Yes. |
| 07:16.38 | buu | It is quite tragic. |
| 07:16.49 | peterS | that does sound tragic. what is the nature of its complaint? |
| 07:17.11 | buu | peterS: When I try to say, skip to another song it takes roughly 3 minutes |
| 07:17.16 | buu | And it lacks random features =[ |
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| 07:17.27 | Eclipser | buu, xmms2 |
| 07:17.36 | peterS | Eclipser: xmms2 runs without a GUI? |
| 07:17.38 | buu | Eclipser: Where exactly is the keyboard interface for xmms? |
| 07:17.42 | Eclipser | it's not really based on console but it has console UIs |
| 07:17.46 | Eclipser | peterS, xmms2 is a daemon |
| 07:17.50 | buu | =[ |
| 07:17.56 | buu | Sounds complicated. |
| 07:18.03 | Eclipser | it doesn't HAVE an UI really |
| 07:18.08 | Eclipser | it has clients which connect to it |
| 07:18.09 | peterS | buu: whoa, that's unreasonable. do you have 'mpg123' or 'mpg321' installed? both programs will work with cplay |
| 07:18.14 | Eclipser | and they can be console or graphical |
| 07:18.18 | Eclipser | or well... anything |
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| 07:18.39 | eifzon | hello |
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| 07:18.51 | peterS | Eclipser: "clients can be anything you want" is not a very helpful answer to someone who isn't in the mood to write a frontend for a media player |
| 07:18.52 | eifzon | why doesent my soundcard work? how can i fix it..? |
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| 07:18.58 | g333k | How can I re-generate my /etc/inittab file? |
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| 07:19.07 | Eclipser | peterS, there ARE many clients :) |
| 07:19.23 | cydork | !tell eifzon about alsa one-liner |
| 07:19.24 | Eclipser | and it's not a "media player" |
| 07:19.27 | Eclipser | it's a music player |
| 07:19.35 | Eclipser | it does not and will never play video |
| 07:19.41 | cougar` | Hello all, how do I disable IP_QUEUE? |
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| 07:19.44 | buu | peterS: Of course. |
| 07:19.49 | peterS | so it can't play non-musical speeches? |
| 07:19.52 | buu | peterS: cplay works fine for small numbers of mp3s. |
| 07:19.59 | Eclipser | peterS, ha ha |
| 07:19.59 | peterS | buu: that doesn't answer my question |
| 07:20.10 | buu | peterS: The first response answered your question. |
| 07:20.11 | eifzon | cydork: ty :P |
| 07:20.14 | eifzon | hope it will work :) |
| 07:20.34 | peterS | buu: I missed the part where you told me whether you have mpg123 installed, or mpg321 |
| 07:20.46 | eifzon | cydork: it doesent find any soundcards? :S |
| 07:20.56 | buu | 02:22 < buu> peterS: Of course. |
| 07:21.00 | cydork | eifzon, can you see it with lspci? |
| 07:21.04 | eifzon | No supported PnP or PCI card found. Whould you like to probe legacy ISA Sound card/chips |
| 07:21.09 | eifzon | it got intern in my motherboard |
| 07:21.18 | Eclipser | I've been using xmms2 for almost a year mainly from console |
| 07:21.21 | buu | peterS: I should note cplay works fine with limited numbers of songs. |
| 07:21.26 | Eclipser | sometimes trying out the graphical clients too |
| 07:21.27 | cydork | eifzon, still it sould showup in lspci. |
| 07:21.28 | buu | peterS: But adding more makes it unhappy. |
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| 07:21.38 | eifzon | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1 |
| 07:21.41 | eifzon | thats the name |
| 07:21.42 | eifzon | :S |
| 07:21.48 | peterS | buu: if you're going to answer that pedantically, I don't see the point in trying to help you. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was asking which mp3 player you had installed. but you seem not to want to tell me. |
| 07:21.52 | tijn_ | is there a way to check a mail file for errors? |
| 07:22.40 | buu | peterS: Oh. I thought you were asking if I had either. I have both. |
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| 07:22.57 | peterS | buu: so which one is /usr/bin/mpg123? |
| 07:23.03 | peterS | that's what cplay will use |
| 07:23.07 | buu | peterS: mpg123 I believe. |
| 07:23.19 | Eclipser | ls -l /usr/bin/mpg123 |
| 07:23.22 | david__ | do you need to turn session id on in PHP to use it.... if so how... |
| 07:23.42 | eifzon | cydork: what can be wrong..? |
| 07:23.45 | peterS | buu: so, to reproduce your problem, I need to install mpg123 and find a directory with a lot of mp3 files |
| 07:23.52 | peterS | (I have mpg321 installed) |
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| 07:24.01 | sanmarcos | isnt cigarette smoking man in the x-files so cool? |
| 07:24.04 | buu | peterS: I suspect it is mostly the number of files. |
| 07:24.08 | peterS | buu: anything else you can tell me to narrow down the test case? |
| 07:24.15 | sanmarcos | "mr skinner, where is the elevator (to hell) ?" |
| 07:24.42 | buu | peterS: I see nothing useful. |
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| 07:25.04 | peterS | buu: if you get a chance, go ahead and file a bug report. I might forget about it otherwise |
| 07:25.06 | cydork | eifzon, hrm ... |
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| 07:25.32 | buu | peterS: Oh. Why? I strongly suspect it is a basic flaw in cplay and unfixable without much redesign. |
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| 07:25.34 | eifzon | on winxp i need to download a sound driver.. |
| 07:25.53 | peterS | buu: taking 3 minutes to skip to the next song is not a basic design flaw, as I haven't observed it with ogg files |
| 07:26.08 | buu | peterS: How many did you have in the playlist? |
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| 07:26.15 | Eclipser | eifzon, what soundcard do you have anyway? |
| 07:26.29 | peterS | buu: oh, I dunno, I build up to a couple hundred at a time, I suppose. I don't dump my whole cd collection in |
| 07:26.38 | t9k310 | hello guys |
| 07:26.38 | buu | peterS: Well, I had considerably more. |
| 07:26.44 | eifzon | ill watch the homepage of my motherboard |
| 07:26.45 | buu | peterS: And I notice performance degrading the more I added. |
| 07:26.52 | peterS | interesting |
| 07:26.52 | cydork | eifzon, which kernel are you using? |
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| 07:27.01 | Eclipser | eifzon, if you have debian kernel in use, it's probably working already... use alsamixer to set volume |
| 07:27.02 | g333k | Can somebody tell me whats the meaning of the line 30 of my inittab file? http://pastie.caboo.se/8805 |
| 07:27.06 | eifzon | Audio - CMedia CMI9761A 5.1 channel AC'97 audio codec |
| 07:27.07 | Eclipser | and then play sometime |
| 07:27.09 | Eclipser | smething* |
| 07:27.11 | peterS | buu: this could be cplay itself or it could be cplay trying to run id3 tag parsers on everything, or something like that |
| 07:27.12 | eifzon | cydork: 2.6 |
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| 07:27.25 | zanpakuto | anyone used xen with dual lan cards? how do I enable both on the domU? |
| 07:27.36 | eifzon | Eclipser: sry it doesent work, it dont found a soundcard :) |
| 07:27.36 | cougar` | Hello all: What is the location for kernel modules in Debian? |
| 07:27.39 | buu | peterS: Heh, id3 parsers would take forever |
| 07:27.46 | t9k310 | how may I limit FTP and SSH access to the home directory? |
| 07:27.58 | Eclipser | eifzon, lspci |grep audio |
| 07:28.00 | peterS | buu: lots of media players do that, though, so they can show something more interesting in their playlist displays |
| 07:28.07 | Eclipser | what does it say.. |
| 07:28.20 | buu | peterS: Well, yeah. |
| 07:28.22 | eifzon | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1) |
| 07:28.29 | eifzon | Eclipser: u se.. |
| 07:28.37 | peterS | buu: i.e., parse id3s on the whole playlist rather than just on the current track |
| 07:28.43 | buu | peterS: Right. |
| 07:28.53 | buu | peterS: I'm so going to rewrite it in perl =[ |
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| 07:28.56 | Eclipser | eifzon, nforce? |
| 07:29.14 | peterS | buu: it's pretty nice python as python goes. I was impressed by how easily I could understand the code, when I took it over |
| 07:29.24 | buu | peterS: Oh, that's why you were so interested. |
| 07:29.39 | peterS | buu: apt-cache show cplay | grep Maintainer |
| 07:29.48 | buu | I believe you. |
| 07:29.54 | eifzon | Eclipser: yes |
| 07:30.12 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.13 | liable | hrm, i just added 30G of music to my playlist, no hangs |
| 07:30.19 | eifzon | my motherboard is: K7nf2 |
| 07:30.46 | buu | peterS: I'm afraid I really can't be more specific. When I try to skip through songs it behaves.. oddly. It tends to make static and be slow. And stuff. And trying to just scroll took a while, selecting songs took minutes before it started. Dunno. |
| 07:31.12 | peterS | buu: that does sound like id3 tag parsing or similar. the basic UI is very responsive for me. |
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| 07:31.37 | peterS | buu: unfortunately it's hard for me to test mp3 scalability, as I don't have a lot of those, my whole cd collection is oggs |
| 07:31.49 | buu | peterS: Dunno, I suspect the same thing would happen with oggs. |
| 07:32.07 | peterS | buu: well, oggs don't have id3 tags, so the tag parsing is done in a different way, possibly much more efficient |
| 07:32.07 | cougar` | Can anyone tell me how to disable a Kernel Module? |
| 07:32.21 | buu | peterS: Have you tried with large numbers? |
| 07:32.24 | eifzon | Eclipser: what can be rong? |
| 07:32.27 | eifzon | wrong |
| 07:32.40 | jnoon | peterS, having trouble with debootstraping sid.... is debootstraping sarge, modding sources.list to unstable, and apt-get dist-upgrade just as good? |
| 07:32.41 | liable | peterS: i just added my entire music collection (all mp3) no hangs |
| 07:33.01 | peterS | buu: not too large. I should. also, I need to patch cplay to display non-ascii chars in filenames / tags, now that python 2.4 is in unstable (the python curses module before 2.4 did not cope with non-ascii) |
| 07:33.17 | peterS | jnoon: pretty much just as good, yeah |
| 07:33.32 | jnoon | peterS, ok then, will do that in the time being, thanks |
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| 07:34.05 | cat | !tell Cozomo about root |
| 07:34.21 | Eclipser | eifzon, does lsmod |grep snd say anything, (don't paste here) |
| 07:34.25 | peterS | jnoon: ability to upgrade a debian system in-place from one release to the next is a very important goal. ability to upgrade any system to unstable comes as a side effect |
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| 07:35.53 | eifzon | Eclipser: i make a pastebin |
| 07:36.04 | eifzon | it didnt said anything |
| 07:36.04 | Eclipser | eifzon, snd-intel8x0 module should work with that soundcard.. |
| 07:36.16 | eifzon | Eclipser: can u help me to fix? :P |
| 07:36.36 | Eclipser | maybe, I have lunch soon though |
| 07:36.58 | eifzon | damn ;/(' |
| 07:37.08 | eifzon | can anyone help me to install snd-intel8x0 ?? |
| 07:37.26 | peterS | Eclipser: note that kernel 2.6.8 snd-intel8x0 does not know about his chip |
| 07:38.00 | Eclipser | uhhuh |
| 07:38.05 | Eclipser | get a new kernel then :p |
| 07:38.54 | eifzon | what kernel? :( |
| 07:39.09 | Eclipser | sarge probably doesn't have any newer? |
| 07:39.17 | eifzon | i got sarge newest.. |
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| 07:40.10 | Eclipser | I haven't had any sarge instlalations for about a year now :) |
| 07:40.15 | peterS | yeah, unfortunately you'll need a newer audio driver than provided with sarge (2.6.8). |
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| 07:40.34 | eifzon | =/ |
| 07:40.35 | eifzon | k |
| 07:41.13 | Eclipser | I have no idea which kernel I have :o |
| 07:41.13 | peterS | eifzon: kernel 2.6.10 introduced support for your chip, it appears. you can pull down a 2.6.15 or so kernel at backports.org |
| 07:41.16 | Eclipser | let's see |
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| 07:41.28 | eifzon | peterS: sure? :O |
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| 07:41.34 | Eclipser | 2.6.17 it seems :) |
| 07:41.34 | eifzon | peterS: can u help? |
| 07:41.55 | peterS | eifzon: I just looked in the kernel source code. 2.6.10 shows support for your chip in the snd-intel8x0 file, 2.6.9 does not. |
| 07:42.13 | Eclipser | you could just compile newer alsa |
| 07:42.13 | eifzon | how do i get .10?? |
| 07:42.21 | eifzon | help me :D |
| 07:42.21 | eifzon | P: |
| 07:42.22 | Eclipser | or upgrade to etch |
| 07:42.22 | peterS | eifzon: wait ... even worse. 2.6.9 shows support for it, 2.6.8 does not! |
| 07:42.30 | eifzon | i got 2.6.8 |
| 07:42.35 | peterS | yeah, I know, because you've got sarge |
| 07:42.36 | eifzon | iam really sure.. |
| 07:42.40 | Eclipser | this is like me installing potato for the first time |
| 07:42.42 | eifzon | what do u recommend ^^ |
| 07:42.44 | Eclipser | it had 2.2.18 kernel |
| 07:42.51 | Eclipser | and my network card drivers came in 2.2.19 |
| 07:42.54 | Eclipser | it sucked |
| 07:43.16 | eifzon | ill get a new cpu/motherboard in 1 month :) |
| 07:43.23 | eifzon | AMD Athlon 64 3800+, 2.4ghz |
| 07:43.24 | eifzon | :))) |
| 07:43.24 | Eclipser | uh why |
| 07:43.27 | Eclipser | give me the old ones then |
| 07:43.31 | eifzon | now i got AMD Athlon xp 1800+, 1.5ghz |
| 07:43.37 | eifzon | u want? :PD |
| 07:43.42 | Eclipser | free? sure! |
| 07:43.42 | eifzon | live in sweden and its yours |
| 07:43.47 | Eclipser | I'm in finland |
| 07:43.50 | Eclipser | it'snot that bad trip |
| 07:43.52 | eifzon | I can come to kokkola :) |
| 07:43.54 | eifzon | iam finnish :D |
| 07:44.08 | Eclipser | I have some friends living in kokkola |
| 07:44.11 | eifzon | nice |
| 07:44.15 | eifzon | my granpha/granma |
| 07:44.17 | eifzon | is living there |
| 07:44.21 | eifzon | mom is born in helsiki |
| 07:44.29 | eifzon | peterS: can u help me? |
| 07:44.33 | eifzon | to get the newest kernel? . |
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| 07:45.47 | peterS | eifzon: see http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions for instructions to get packages from backports.org |
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| 07:46.11 | peterS | eifzon: you can skip step 3, actually |
| 07:46.13 | eifzon | ty |
| 07:46.16 | eifzon | :)) |
| 07:46.26 | eifzon | :S |
| 07:46.26 | eifzon | :P |
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| 07:47.10 | eifzon | peterS: on the 2. line, add these lines: where shall i add them? :S |
| 07:47.31 | t9k310 | how may I get access to my webmin from external IPs? |
| 07:47.37 | peterS | eifzon: it says what file to add them to |
| 07:47.46 | peterS | eifzon: that file may or may not exist already |
| 07:48.02 | eifzon | Package: * |
| 07:48.03 | eifzon | Pin: release a=sarge-backports |
| 07:48.03 | eifzon | Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 07:48.22 | eifzon | i dont understand |
| 07:48.26 | peterS | eifzon: read more carefully. it says what file. |
| 07:48.33 | Eclipser | read it all first |
| 07:48.44 | eifzon | /etcapt/sources.list ..? |
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| 07:48.51 | peterS | eifzon: read even more carefully |
| 07:49.03 | eifzon | sry iam just woke :D |
| 07:49.12 | eifzon | it looked like it was the 3. point lol |
| 07:49.42 | eifzon | i got no file named: /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 07:49.58 | peterS | eifzon: ok now go back and read what I told you about 3 minutes ago |
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| 07:50.12 | vahid | hello |
| 07:50.24 | eifzon | i just add that? |
| 07:50.24 | vahid | i can't find php command in debian |
| 07:50.26 | eifzon | in that file..? |
| 07:50.35 | deadcat | vahid: php-cli |
| 07:50.40 | vahid | anyone can tell me which package contain /usr.bin/php ? |
| 07:50.40 | deadcat | or php5-cli |
| 07:50.57 | eifzon | peterS: shall i skip point 3? |
| 07:51.02 | peterS | eifzon: you can |
| 07:51.11 | eifzon | shall i do apt-get update? |
| 07:51.13 | deadcat | i am using php5-cli |
| 07:51.15 | eifzon | and anything more? |
| 07:51.24 | peterS | eifzon: yes, then do 'apt-cache search linux-image-2.6' |
| 07:51.32 | vahid | deadcat, php5? for sarge ? |
| 07:51.41 | eifzon | i found few |
| 07:51.45 | eifzon | what one is it? |
| 07:51.47 | eifzon | 2.6.16-2? |
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| 07:51.50 | deadcat | vahid: then php4, whatever... |
| 07:51.50 | eifzon | or -1 |
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| 07:52.18 | peterS | eifzon: in fact, these days you can skip step 2, as well. this is a recent change. |
| 07:52.36 | omry | hi, installed apache2 on sarge, when it starts I get the following erorr, any suggestions? apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
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| 07:52.43 | eifzon | i didnt need to make the 2nd line? |
| 07:52.49 | row | does anyone know howto make courier maildrop in debian use MAILDIR in /etc/default/coourier without having to overwrite the DEFAULT var in maildrop files? |
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| 07:52.57 | eifzon | peterS: i remove everything from the preferences map? |
| 07:52.58 | eifzon | u meaN? |
| 07:53.07 | peterS | eifzon: I believe you can remove the whole preferences file, yes |
| 07:53.10 | sep | omry, edit the servername in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 07:53.18 | row | if you don't do DEFAULT="$HOME/$MAILDIR" it sends mail to ./Maildir and not ./new/ |
| 07:53.23 | eifzon | but what kernel shall i choose now peterS |
| 07:53.44 | peterS | eifzon: whichever choice you think will work best on your system. I don't know what system you have. |
| 07:53.58 | Suprano | i cant start my xserver.. if i run /etc/inid.d/xdm start , the Nvidia Symbol show up 4 Times, and then i am back in cmd. THe log says "No core pointers found". yesterday everything worked fine.. |
| 07:54.01 | peterS | well, I guess I do know that it's an NForce2, which means it's an Athlon |
| 07:54.08 | eifzon | AMD Athlon xp 1800+, 1.5ghz, 1280DDR, 80GB HDD, NVIDIA GEFORCE 6600 256mB, NOW YOU KNWO! : |
| 07:54.16 | vahid | how can i config getway in debian :( |
| 07:54.25 | eifzon | Athlon XP yes |
| 07:54.26 | vahid | gateway |
| 07:54.35 | peterS | eifzon: oh, right. an Athlon with LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS. so I would use linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 07:54.37 | omry | sep: I dont have servername in default.. |
| 07:54.44 | sep | omry, exactly |
| 07:54.51 | eifzon | linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 - Linux kernel 2.6.16 image on AMD K7 machines |
| 07:54.53 | eifzon | that 1? |
| 07:55.01 | omry | sep: "ServerName fsqn" ? |
| 07:55.02 | peterS | eifzon: AMD K7 means athlon series of chips |
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| 07:55.36 | vahid | how can i config gateway in debian? |
| 07:55.50 | sep | omry, yes eg ServerName www.whatever.com |
| 07:56.04 | eifzon | peterS: shall i just apt-get it? |
| 07:56.05 | lopov | vahid, use iptables |
| 07:56.06 | Suprano | i think that was route add default gw IPADRESS @ vahid |
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| 07:56.18 | peterS | vahid: 'gateway a.b.c.d' in /etc/network/interfaces under the eth0 entry |
| 07:56.19 | lopov | vahid, ohh i get ya now |
| 07:56.23 | peterS | eifzon: sure |
| 07:56.28 | omry | sep: thanks. |
| 07:56.43 | lopov | vahid, route add default gw 'gateway' 'device' |
| 07:56.55 | vahid | tnx ! |
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| 07:58.49 | eifzon | peterS: my ethernet died |
| 07:59.08 | peterS | eifzon: while downloading the 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 07:59.08 | eifzon | how shall i do when i downloaded the kernel?? |
| 07:59.12 | eifzon | nope |
| 07:59.13 | eifzon | just before |
| 07:59.14 | eifzon | :D |
| 07:59.28 | eifzon | my sister was gooing on her computer thats why it dided |
| 07:59.48 | eifzon | peterS: but how shall i do after i installed kernel? |
| 07:59.51 | peterS | eifzon: well, that presents a problem, because if you don't use apt to download the packages, it'll be much harder. because linux-image-whatever will also require download of a few other packages, in order to work |
| 07:59.55 | cougar` | Hello all, I'm having a problem. My linux kernel version supposely supports NFQUEUE via module ipt_NFQUEUE, but when using modprobe -l ipt* , I don't see ipt_NFQUEUE. |
| 08:00.39 | peterS | eifzon: to simulate 'apt-get install', you have to download files from http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-image-2.6.16/ and elsewhere, then install the .deb files with 'dpkg -i'. |
| 08:00.41 | cougar` | How do I know if my kernel version fully supports NFQUEUE. I am getting log entrys in syslog stating that ip_queue is full with 1024 packets which means an application those packets are queued for is not retriving them. |
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| 08:01.10 | eifzon | but i did apt-get install nameofthekernel ? |
| 08:01.13 | eifzon | isnt that right? |
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| 08:01.19 | cougar` | Is there a way I can disable ip_queue? |
| 08:01.23 | letto | what is this server portmap |
| 08:01.29 | letto | is it safe to turn off? |
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| 08:01.35 | deadcat | letto: its for nfs and nis |
| 08:01.36 | peterS | cougar`: to check your kernel's capability: grep NFQUEUE /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:01.51 | vahid | deadcat, i get "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()" when run script by php comand :( |
| 08:01.57 | eifzon | peterS: now a LILO Configuration comes up |
| 08:01.58 | letto | when i poweroff it hangs at shutting down portmap |
| 08:02.01 | cougar` | peterS: Excellent, thanks for replying to me... Results: CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_NFQUEUE=m |
| 08:02.09 | eifzon | before i had GRUP |
| 08:02.11 | eifzon | GRUB |
| 08:02.11 | deadcat | vahid: i dont know |
| 08:02.18 | letto | deadcat: so it's safe to turn it off? |
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| 08:02.22 | eifzon | i see that it installed it :;) |
| 08:02.29 | eifzon | peterS: shall i just reboot now? |
| 08:02.37 | vahid | deadcat, tnx |
| 08:02.38 | cougar` | Yeah |
| 08:02.46 | cougar` | You just update your kernel image? |
| 08:02.48 | deadcat | letto: if you dont use those yes. remove the package (= |
| 08:02.52 | peterS | eifzon: if you think lilo is configured correctly, yes. I'm never sure whether to trust the automatic updating of lilo.conf - grub seems more robust |
| 08:03.05 | eifzon | it took away grub and installed lilo |
| 08:03.06 | eifzon | lets try :) |
| 08:03.13 | peterS | it did? it should not have done that |
| 08:03.14 | cougar` | Good luck! |
| 08:03.19 | eifzon | i try |
| 08:03.19 | eifzon | :P |
| 08:03.23 | cougar` | Good luck! |
| 08:03.27 | cougar` | peterS: Excellent, thanks for replying to me... Results: CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_NFQUEUE=m |
| 08:03.37 | peterS | cougar`: so, you can load and unload the kernel module 'xt_NFQUEUE' |
| 08:03.45 | cougar` | Is it loaded? |
| 08:03.50 | peterS | cougar`: I don't know, use 'lsmod' to find out |
| 08:04.01 | cougar` | lsmod | grep xt_NFQUEUE? |
| 08:04.40 | cougar` | May I paste results of that command? 2 lines... I'll use my paste assist script... |
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| 08:04.56 | cougar` | [cougar@mercury:~]> lsmod | grep xt_NFQUEUE |
| 08:04.57 | cougar` | xt_NFQUEUE 2112 1 |
| 08:04.57 | peterS | you know, the Germans have the right idea. we should transliterate 'queue' as 'qüü' |
| 08:04.58 | cougar` | x_tables 13252 9 xt_NFQUEUE,ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat,ipt_REJECT,ipt_ULOG,xt_limit,xt_state,xt_tcpudp,ip_tables |
| 08:04.59 | cougar` | xt_NFQUEUE 2112 1 |
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| 08:05.09 | peterS | cougar`: don't flood the channel. |
| 08:05.14 | cougar` | Yeah I know |
| 08:05.16 | cougar` | I'm sorry |
| 08:05.20 | cougar` | the pa script did not work |
| 08:05.22 | cougar` | :( |
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| 08:05.31 | cougar` | and I know why too! I left it in debug mode |
| 08:05.35 | cougar` | crap |
| 08:05.37 | cougar` | clear |
| 08:05.41 | peterS | cougar`: that's the second time you flooded the channel, next time I'm kicking |
| 08:05.44 | eifzon | hehe |
| 08:05.46 | eifzon | peterS: |
| 08:05.49 | eifzon | it started =) |
| 08:05.52 | eifzon | how do i see if my soundcard works? |
| 08:06.00 | SpeedyG | peterS: what happened to the bot kicking people that paste? |
| 08:06.05 | ph00 | try playing some music... |
| 08:06.08 | eifzon | or what kernel version it is |
| 08:06.11 | cougar` | peterS: Kick me now. It's okay. My dumb fault. I'm extremely tired and I need ip_queue to not fill up :'( |
| 08:06.13 | peterS | SpeedyG: smart client software rate-limits pasting to get around flood bots |
| 08:06.18 | SpeedyG | crap :( |
| 08:06.38 | peterS | SpeedyG: you'll notice his pastes have these 1-second pauses in them. that's the client software protecting him |
| 08:06.38 | eifzon | how i check what soundcard i got? :S |
| 08:06.56 | SpeedyG | eifzon: lspci tells you some info |
| 08:07.01 | cougar` | What if I have a 2 second delay? |
| 08:07.03 | peterS | eifzon: we know what you have. use 'lsmod' to see if snd_intel8x0 is loaded |
| 08:07.05 | SpeedyG | if it doesnt, take it out of the machine and look on the chipset |
| 08:07.17 | eifzon | nope peterS |
| 08:07.25 | peterS | eifzon: so load it: 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' |
| 08:07.26 | eifzon | it seems at it is the same kernel as before |
| 08:07.37 | eifzon | ok after that how do i do? |
| 08:07.42 | eifzon | i did modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 08:07.43 | peterS | eifzon: oh. it didn't boot 2.6.16? lilo should have given you a menu and showed 2.6.16 |
| 08:07.50 | eifzon | nope |
| 08:07.53 | eifzon | it was 2.6.8 |
| 08:08.02 | eifzon | i need to configure so it starts 2.6.16? |
| 08:08.02 | cougar` | peterS: Can you at help me with the problem I am facing... I'm using NFQUEUE yet ip_queue is getting filled up... Can I disable ip_queue? What do you think I should do? |
| 08:08.27 | peterS | eifzon: what I think you need to do is use grub instead. generally a lot less trouble. |
| 08:08.34 | peterS | cougar`: I don't know |
| 08:08.35 | eifzon | peterS: help? :P) |
| 08:08.43 | eifzon | if u have time |
| 08:09.03 | peterS | eifzon: type 'apt-cache policy grub' to see if it's available from backports.org |
| 08:09.23 | ph00 | how do I play a .ram file? (supposed to be a movie) |
| 08:09.23 | eifzon | 0.97-12bpo1 0 |
| 08:09.23 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.23 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.26 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:09.33 | eifzon | u saw? |
| 08:09.55 | ph00 | how did you do that? |
| 08:10.01 | liable | eifzon: if you use lilo, you need to add the new kernel in to lilo.conf |
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| 08:10.04 | SpeedyG | ph00: Real-Media movies |
| 08:10.07 | peterS | eifzon: did you miss the part 3 minutes ago where I yelled at cougar` for flooding the channel? |
| 08:10.07 | SpeedyG | they suck |
| 08:10.09 | cougar` | Dammit ip_queue keeps gettin full :( |
| 08:10.09 | eifzon | liable: how? |
| 08:10.10 | ph00 | ah OK |
| 08:10.23 | cougar` | help |
| 08:10.25 | liable | eifzon: just edit the file |
| 08:10.28 | insmod | hmmm holy crap anyone see the film from loose change? |
| 08:10.32 | eifzon | but how i come to it? :P |
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| 08:10.39 | AdamSmith | hi |
| 08:10.39 | ph00 | speedyg totem wont play it. what can I use? |
| 08:10.49 | cougar` | peterS: How do I disable ip_queue? |
| 08:10.54 | SpeedyG | dunno, I always kept myself from real-media |
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| 08:11.11 | peterS | /ignore cougar` because he keeps asking me questions after I already said "I don't know" |
| 08:11.14 | liable | eifzon: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:11.24 | peterS | eifzon: apt-get install grub/0.97-12bpo1 |
| 08:11.24 | eifzon | its nothing in there :S |
| 08:11.24 | ph00 | I downloaded by bittorrent and it turned out to be .ram |
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| 08:11.30 | cougar` | peterS: I'm lagigng cause of this ip_queue stuff, I'm sorry. |
| 08:11.36 | row | Anyone know howto change the default maildrop varible outside of maildroprc? |
| 08:11.41 | AdamSmith | I cannot find kernel-image 2.6.15 with an "apt-get install kernel-image". But I have the unstable sources in my list. What is the problem ?? |
| 08:11.44 | eifzon | peterS: it didnt found it? |
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| 08:12.00 | peterS | AdamSmith: you're using unstable but the kernel image packages have been renamed to linux-image-* |
| 08:12.09 | Darklock | ph00: install realplayer? |
| 08:12.18 | ph00 | speedy would it work in windoze? what app? I can wine that |
| 08:12.29 | ph00 | I can try, anyway |
| 08:12.35 | eifzon | peterS: how shall i do then? :S if it didnt work to download that, it couldent be found |
| 08:12.37 | SpeedyG | ph00: you could use real-alternative codec, and play it with any windows app |
| 08:12.42 | peterS | eifzon: did you type in the version number from apt-cache policy? |
| 08:12.43 | ph00 | ok real player |
| 08:12.48 | eifzon | nope |
| 08:12.49 | SpeedyG | or realplayer indeed |
| 08:13.07 | AdamSmith | peters: yes, you're right, I get 2.6.17 kernel...thanks |
| 08:13.09 | ph00 | I can wine realplayer on the windoze partition that I use to voice conversate on msn |
| 08:13.13 | eifzon | shall i edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 08:13.18 | peterS | eifzon: no |
| 08:13.24 | Darklock | ph00: realplayer for linux |
| 08:13.30 | peterS | eifzon: type apt-get install grub/version-from-apt-cache-policy |
| 08:13.34 | eifzon | 0.97-12bpo1 = one of the numbers |
| 08:13.42 | SpeedyG | Darklock: that exists? |
| 08:13.44 | ph00 | gonna see if that works, otherwise I'll have to boot to wiondoze (brr...I hate that) |
| 08:13.45 | Darklock | there is even one for linux/powerpc which I use |
| 08:14.03 | eifzon | kk |
| 08:14.10 | Darklock | made symlinks and use the codecs with mplayer though |
| 08:14.16 | eifzon | apt-get install grub/0.97-12bpo1 0 |
| 08:14.19 | omry | installed phpmyadmin on sarge, which added a symlink in /var/www (which did not work for because apache is configured not to follow synlinks). I added Alias /phpmyadmin /usr/share/phpmyadmin (per the instrcutions in README.Debian), but not I get The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. |
| 08:14.39 | omry | (when accessing http://server/phpmyadmin |
| 08:14.39 | peterS | eifzon: if that does not work, type apt-get install grub/sarge-backports |
| 08:14.50 | eifzon | peterS: 0.97-12bpol for grub didnt bee found |
| 08:15.02 | peterS | eifzon: you are getting confused between l and 1 |
| 08:15.04 | eifzon | peterS: the last one worked |
| 08:15.04 | Thuryn | yo |
| 08:15.04 | slon` | hey |
| 08:15.09 | ph00 | darklock realplayer for linux comes without some needed driver because of those goddamn license things. easier and faster booting to windoze once in a while (as little as possible) |
| 08:15.20 | eifzon | peterS: it did install: grub_0.97-12bpo1_i386.deb |
| 08:15.24 | peterS | good |
| 08:15.28 | Darklock | ph00: driver for what? |
| 08:15.31 | eifzon | shall i just reboot now? |
| 08:15.34 | Dewi | how do I enter a tab into a command line? |
| 08:15.34 | peterS | eifzon: so it should have removed lilo - did it? |
| 08:15.40 | eifzon | maybie |
| 08:15.42 | Thuryn | ok |
| 08:15.42 | peterS | Dewi: ctrl-v tab |
| 08:16.25 | eifzon | peterS: shall i reboot huh? |
| 08:16.33 | peterS | eifzon: if grub appeared to install ok, yes |
| 08:16.36 | eifzon | ok |
| 08:16.37 | eifzon | brb |
| 08:16.38 | ph00 | I don't know, I reied to run realplayer for windows on ubuntu once, it could'n play a thing (I don't reallly remember what I tried tho). rp for windoze works great. I'll try to wine that |
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| 08:16.48 | ph00 | reied=tried |
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| 08:17.30 | Darklock | realplayer for windows? |
| 08:17.36 | Darklock | you mean linux? |
| 08:17.57 | Dewi | peterS: hmm. okay. Is there a way that isn't invisible? I am trying to get sort to use tab as a delimiter |
| 08:18.01 | ph00 | yeah for linux, sorry |
| 08:18.16 | cougar` | peterS: What does this mean? I tried to remove using modprobe -r ip_queue .... Not sure if it uninstalled it. Then tried to add it, thinking it would install it back... I get this... FATAL: Error inserting ip_queue (/lib/modules/2.6.17-1-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_queue.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 08:18.25 | ph00 | I'm kinda woozy... I' up since yesterday and I had some beers |
| 08:18.40 | peterS | Dewi: well, on the command line, you'll usually need to put the tab in "" or '' so the shell doesn't just see it as a separator. so 'ctrl-v tab' or so. as for making it visible ... not that I know of |
| 08:18.40 | Dewi | peterS: echo -e 'a\tb\nb\ta\n\tc' | sort -k2 |
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| 08:18.53 | Darklock | ph00: well, try again? ;) |
| 08:18.53 | eifzon | peterS: it loads grub, but not the NEW kernel!! |
| 08:18.54 | Dewi | peterS: is there a way to use \t |
| 08:18.57 | SNow | Hey, I have put some log here, check it out http://channels.debian.net/paste/3460 |
| 08:19.01 | SNow | I have problems with interfaces |
| 08:19.09 | ph00 | darklock not now, I'll try later |
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| 08:19.14 | peterS | eifzon: ok. so examine /boot/grub/menu.lst to see whether the new kernel is in there - if not, add it |
| 08:19.34 | peterS | eifzon: also, try 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7' |
| 08:19.43 | eifzon | hehe iam inside the menu now |
| 08:20.08 | eifzon | peterS: i make a pastebin and u see my kernel ok? |
| 08:20.20 | peterS | Dewi: sort doesn't accept \t, that I know of, so it's not trivial to use it. perhaps sort with "$(echo -e '\t')" on the command line somewhere, but that's pretty fugly |
| 08:20.26 | peterS | eifzon: go ahead |
| 08:20.47 | eifzon | i just post the End default options? |
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| 08:20.57 | SNow | anyyone have ideas? |
| 08:21.04 | peterS | eifzon: sure, or the whole menu.lst if you want. there should be a big section for each kernel |
| 08:21.07 | Dewi | peterS: fugly, but less scary than invisible characters. |
| 08:21.10 | Dewi | peterS: thank you |
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| 08:21.24 | peterS | Dewi: if this is in a script, I'd do this: TAB=$(echo -e '\t') then later use "$TAB" |
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| 08:21.35 | peterS | Dewi: in fact you can do the same interactively if you want |
| 08:21.42 | SNow | peters maybe you could help me? |
| 08:22.08 | eifzon | here you got peterS: http://pastebin.ca/134170 |
| 08:22.15 | ph00 | anyone knows about that keyboard problem I had? It's still here, I couldn't do a thing. Every time I start the PC and log in to etch, I have to switch keyboard layout back and forth once, then the AltGr key will work, not before. I already tried dpkg-reconfigure and didn't work. |
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| 08:22.38 | peterS | SNow: why eth1:1? normally you just specify eth1. |
| 08:22.48 | SNow | It's a virtual |
| 08:22.59 | SNow | IP, and It needs to have another mac. |
| 08:23.12 | ph00 | I mean I get to the reconfiguring tool but it won't actually write to the file it's supposed to reconfigure |
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| 08:23.17 | SNow | I need to login to one of my boxes, and it has hosts.allow on that IP, so I try to put it on eth1:1 and then change the mac, to make it work |
| 08:23.22 | peterS | SNow: eh, I don't see how a single netif can have multiple MACs |
| 08:23.23 | Shadur | SNow: eth1:1 will have eth1's mac address |
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| 08:23.59 | Dewi | peterS: I love it. Thank you. |
| 08:24.02 | SlammerXP | peters: if you have multiple NICs, each NIC will broadcast all the MAC addresses |
| 08:24.06 | peterS | eifzon: so, it only has a section for 2.6.8, I wonder why that is. it should also have a section for 2.6.16. did you try 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7'? |
| 08:24.17 | eifzon | nope i can try now |
| 08:24.46 | eifzon | ok |
| 08:24.57 | eifzon | it did updating the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:25.05 | SNow | So I can't change the mac for eth1:1 |
| 08:25.07 | peterS | eifzon: so does menu.lst have entries for 2.6.16 now? |
| 08:25.10 | eifzon | yes |
| 08:25.11 | eifzon | thx :) |
| 08:25.13 | eifzon | i try reboot |
| 08:25.13 | peterS | eifzon: good! reboot. |
| 08:25.15 | eifzon | cya in 2min |
| 08:25.16 | eifzon | M;) |
| 08:25.59 | sep | SNow, if you change it for eth1 it will also change for eth1:x |
| 08:26.18 | SpeedyG | what is that :x for? |
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| 08:26.42 | sanmarcos | is a 10 thousand word document a lot? |
| 08:26.46 | SNow | but to leave eth1 the same, and change eth1:1 it can't be done, yes? :) |
| 08:27.07 | SpeedyG | sanmarcos: depends on what it's about ;) |
| 08:27.15 | sep | SNow, no becouse it's the same card |
| 08:27.23 | sep | SNow, if you want 2 mac addresses you need 2 interfaces |
| 08:27.28 | sanmarcos | SpeedyG: but its a lot. Make me feel good, say it is |
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| 08:27.55 | eifzon | peterS: it loaded, but it wont load my X, becouse that version 2.16.8 |
| 08:28.00 | SpeedyG | it is ;) |
| 08:28.04 | eifzon | peterS: how do i update so its the newest? :( |
| 08:28.08 | eifzon | i want X :P |
| 08:28.16 | peterS | eifzon: oh... you have the nvidia non-free driver, or something like that? |
| 08:28.21 | eifzon | yes |
| 08:28.21 | eifzon | : ) |
| 08:28.25 | sanmarcos | 10.000 lines of BASIC, it took me 5 days, a work of art |
| 08:28.32 | SpeedyG | hehe |
| 08:28.46 | peterS | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:28.46 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 08:28.55 | eifzon | iv done that |
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| 08:29.08 | peterS | eifzon: the nvidia module is highly dependent on your kernel. that's why it broke just now |
| 08:29.19 | eifzon | do i need that again? |
| 08:29.24 | peterS | eifzon: so you need to rebuild the nvidia module. I can't help you much with that, since I don't use that module |
| 08:29.34 | eifzon | shall i do that again .. |
| 08:29.37 | peterS | but whatever you did for the 2.6.8 kernel, I guess you do the same thing for the 2.6.16 kernel |
| 08:29.38 | eifzon | that Dpkg said? |
| 08:29.42 | eifzon | ok |
| 08:29.44 | eifzon | i know how to do |
| 08:30.02 | peterS | alternatively, change to the 'nv' driver, which doesn't have any kernel dependencies but doesn't do 3D acceleration |
| 08:30.28 | eifzon | i wont change to NV |
| 08:30.30 | eifzon | :( |
| 08:30.33 | peterS | eifzon: meanwhile - is the snd-intel8x0 module loaded? does your sound chip appear in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 08:30.35 | eifzon | i try this |
| 08:30.44 | eifzon | shall i write to see if its on? |
| 08:30.47 | eifzon | lsmod? |
| 08:30.58 | peterS | well, 'lsmod | grep intel8x0' and 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
| 08:31.29 | ph00 | ! etch nvidia |
| 08:31.29 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 08:31.37 | ph00 | !etch nvidia |
| 08:31.37 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 08:31.54 | peterS | ph00: he's using sarge + backports, not etch |
| 08:32.06 | eifzon | jup it grep it |
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| 08:32.15 | peterS | eifzon: so your sound probably works now |
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| 08:32.52 | ph00 | peters who me? I'm on etch |
| 08:32.54 | eifzon | but i need to be in graphic |
| 08:32.55 | eifzon | :P |
| 08:33.05 | ph00 | I was reading it for myself |
| 08:33.13 | peterS | ph00: oh, I thought you were trying to help eifzon, who is trying to figure out the nvidia driver with the sarge backports kernel |
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| 08:33.44 | eifzon | E: Could not found package kernel-headers-2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 08:33.52 | eifzon | when i shall do m-a prepare |
| 08:33.52 | ph00 | btw I've a multiboot with both etch and sarge: which one shoud I use to compile flightear? (which will work best?) |
| 08:33.58 | eifzon | what can be wrong? |
| 08:34.10 | peterS | eifzon: ah, the sarge version of 'module-assistant' is probably too old as well. use apt-cache policy to see if sarge-backports has a newer version of that |
| 08:34.14 | ph00 | peters ok.+ |
| 08:34.16 | ph00 | ok |
| 08:34.45 | eifzon | it came many packages, what package shall i look at? |
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| 08:35.09 | peterS | eifzon: I mean the module-assistant package itself. 'apt-get install module-assistant/sarge-backports' |
| 08:35.18 | eifzon | shall i do that command? |
| 08:35.20 | peterS | yes |
| 08:35.26 | peterS | I just looked at backports.org and it is in there |
| 08:35.31 | peterS | version 0.10.2bpo1 |
| 08:35.33 | eifzon | ok |
| 08:35.37 | eifzon | shall i do the command u said? |
| 08:35.41 | peterS | YES |
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| 08:35.58 | eifzon | it did install it |
| 08:35.59 | eifzon | then? |
| 08:36.10 | drasko | hi all. Can I boot in Debian using CD-s? I mean, I saw http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325, and I do not understand how you can boot into console after Win instalation, using Debian CDs. Do not this goes into a process of installation right away? |
| 08:36.13 | peterS | eifzon: try the m-a command again. the newer version should know how to find the headers package. |
| 08:36.23 | eifzon | it worked |
| 08:36.23 | eifzon | :) |
| 08:36.25 | eifzon | it downloaded =)) |
| 08:36.42 | peterS | good. the previous version looked for the wrong package name, the new one knows it is called linux-headers-whatever. |
| 08:36.52 | eifzon | now iam buling a nvidia source |
| 08:36.56 | eifzon | .) |
| 08:36.56 | eifzon | k |
| 08:36.59 | eifzon | can i remove the old kernels? |
| 08:37.03 | eifzon | 2.6.8? |
| 08:37.06 | eifzon | its ugly :P |
| 08:37.12 | peterS | eifzon: don't remove 2.6.8 until you can get X running with 2.6.16 (: |
| 08:37.31 | peterS | eifzon: because if you can't get 2.6.16 to work, you may prefer to have a kernel with graphics but no sound, rather than sound and no graphics |
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| 08:37.38 | eifzon | ok |
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| 08:37.54 | eifzon | m-a a-i nvidia did failed |
| 08:37.56 | eifzon | why?? |
| 08:38.04 | eifzon | i need to update something for that to now? |
| 08:38.51 | peterS | eifzon: please find someone else to help you. I cannot read your mind, so when you say "it failed", I cannot immediately see _what_ failed or _how_ it failed, especially since I don't use the nvidia driver |
| 08:39.01 | kintaro0e | hi guys..i need help on my ftp server..using vsftpd..i'm planning to make a public share folder..and this is my problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/c6kWg217.html |
| 08:39.10 | eifzon | ok peterS |
| 08:39.19 | eifzon | i write to you in private chat i cant pastebin now |
| 08:39.35 | peterS | no, don't do that |
| 08:39.48 | sep | eifzon, sarge ? do you have non-free contrib sources ? how did it fail? what error message |
| 08:39.51 | peterS | you can explain what failed without pasting several lines of text |
| 08:40.02 | lopov | just curious why cant you pm? |
| 08:40.10 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, try uncommenting anon_upload_enable=YES |
| 08:40.14 | eifzon | sep: i did |
| 08:40.23 | eifzon | i have added everything |
| 08:40.34 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, then vsftpd will accept the mask on the dir |
| 08:40.38 | sep | eifzon, and you have aptitude/apt-get update afterwards |
| 08:41.06 | peterS | lopov: it's not polite to pm people trying to help you, without permission. partly because it means nobody can help you except the one victim you chose. |
| 08:41.14 | drasko | hi all. Can I boot in Debian using CD-s? I mean, I saw http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325, and I do not understand how you can boot into console after Win instalation, using Debian CDs. Do not this goes into a process of installation right away? |
| 08:41.38 | lopov | peterS, k |
| 08:41.49 | eifzon | /usr/bin/make -f debian/rules clean, make [1]: Entering directory /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/, |
| 08:42.01 | peterS | not that part, the actual error message |
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| 08:42.55 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger..still it wont work |
| 08:43.03 | eifzon | ok but i think it work now, becouse i did aptitute/apt-get update |
| 08:43.06 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, same error ? |
| 08:43.23 | eifzon | ill try now peterS :) |
| 08:43.35 | sep | eifzon, didn't do aptitude/apt-get update i hope i meant either apt-get update or aptitude update :) |
| 08:43.43 | eifzon | ok |
| 08:44.30 | peterS | eifzon: I think you also want to install nvidia-kernel-source/sarge-backports, from the non-free repository (may need to add non-free to the backports line of sources.list) |
| 08:44.48 | eifzon | cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/ |
| 08:44.52 | eifzon | u got something wrong with that |
| 08:45.00 | eifzon | peterS: what shall i add? |
| 08:45.14 | peterS | what do you mean, what shall you add? what I just said. |
| 08:45.18 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: yes |
| 08:45.31 | eifzon | just: non-free ? |
| 08:45.32 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, are the permissions of your directories ok ? |
| 08:46.01 | eifzon | peterS: it is contrib non-free atm on the backports line |
| 08:46.17 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, /var/ftp should NOT be world writable |
| 08:46.40 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: hmmm... |
| 08:46.41 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, instead make a sub dir, pub or something which is writable by the ftp user |
| 08:46.42 | kintaro0e | let me check |
| 08:47.11 | peterS | eifzon: then try thinking for yourself for 30 seconds, and figure out what "may need to add non-free to the backports line" means, with particular attention to what "may" means |
| 08:47.25 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, judging from the error, i think your problem is related to the permissions on the directories |
| 08:47.27 | eifzon | maybie.. |
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| 08:47.48 | eifzon | peterS: shall i remove it u mean.... |
| 08:48.16 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: i have a /var/ftp |
| 08:48.29 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: chown ftp:ftp /var/ftp |
| 08:48.37 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, and the mask ? |
| 08:48.42 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: then chmod 755 /var/ftp |
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| 08:48.55 | peterS | eifzon: try as I might, I cannot do all your thinking for you. You need to learn to do a little bit of thinking yourself. if necessary, look up the definitions of "may" and "add" |
| 08:48.59 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: then ln -s /var/ftp /home/ftp |
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| 08:49.25 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, i dont know if vsftpd takes kindly to symlinks |
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| 08:49.59 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger; what do you mean |
| 08:50.37 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, it could cause errors, and vsftpd is quite tight with security |
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| 08:51.03 | eifzon | peterS: do i need to add anything or not? :S |
| 08:51.10 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: hemmm.. |
| 08:51.17 | kintaro0e | so what shall i do then? |
| 08:51.17 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, lots of daemons dont follow symlinks |
| 08:51.24 | SNow | hmmz, the virtual hosts does not work, but everything looks fine |
| 08:51.32 | peterS | eifzon: *sigh*. perhaps I need to do all your thinking after all. if you do not have non-free on that line, you should add it. if you have non-free on that line, you should not add it. |
| 08:51.44 | eifzon | i got it? |
| 08:51.46 | eifzon | i told u that |
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| 08:51.54 | KermitTheFragger | kintaro0e, so i would experiment first without the symlink and when it works, get it working with the symlink |
| 08:51.56 | SNow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3461 |
| 08:51.58 | SNow | what could it be? |
| 08:52.06 | eifzon | peterS: go to the next step? |
| 08:52.16 | peterS | eifzon: since I am 10000 km away from sweden, I cannot look at your computer and see what you typed when you added the line to sources.list. |
| 08:52.25 | kintaro0e | KermitTheFragger: roger that.. |
| 08:52.26 | kintaro0e | thanks |
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| 08:52.30 | eifzon | shall i tell you? :)0 |
| 08:52.53 | peterS | eifzon: no, just try to do a little of your own thinking. when I say "you may need to add this", but you know you have already added it earlier, you should not have to ask what to do |
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| 08:53.28 | KermitTheFragger | Does anybody know how i get the dummy0 interface to reply to arp requests ? |
| 08:53.29 | SNow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3461 |
| 08:53.34 | eifzon | deb http://blackports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free, thats the only backports line i got =) |
| 08:53.42 | SNow | the thing is, that identically on other box it works, just fine, maybe it the problem of IPMASQ ? |
| 08:53.49 | KermitTheFragger | i allready set arp_ignore to 0 |
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| 08:54.59 | eifzon | peterS: anything more i shall add with backports? |
| 08:55.05 | peterS | eifzon: I told you what to do next |
| 08:55.07 | SNow | yeah, that's the problem of ipmasq, I stoped it and it works fine |
| 08:55.26 | eifzon | nope u didnt |
| 08:55.27 | brick | any suggestions on identifying the dev packages i need to compile gutenprint (AKA GIMP-print)? i have been installing everything i can find on the packages site, still won't detect that I want GIMP output. |
| 08:55.47 | peterS | eifzon: yes, I did. I told you to install something from backports.org non-free. |
| 08:56.42 | peterS | I don't really want to repeat myself any more than I have to, but I'll add this: you probably want nvidia-glx from there, as well as the package I mentioned before |
| 08:56.43 | eifzon | nvidia-kernel-source/sarge-backports ? |
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| 08:57.55 | nelf | I'm having trouble getting my pcmcia network card (orinoco driver) to work now I've upgraded to etch, kernel 2.6.16-2-686 using udev |
| 08:58.19 | eifzon | peterS: how do i install nvidia-kernel-source/sarge-backports ? |
| 08:58.35 | peterS | eifzon: see, this gets back to the concept of thinking for yourself |
| 08:58.42 | peterS | eifzon: how do you install other packages? |
| 08:59.04 | eifzon | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source ? |
| 08:59.07 | nelf | I insert the card and it says 'registering new device pcmcia0.0', but it doesn't load the driver. I manually modprobe the driver, but the card still doesn't work (ie the light doesn't come on)... any extra steps I need to take? |
| 08:59.08 | eifzon | that ? |
| 08:59.30 | eifzon | it says it is the newest |
| 08:59.50 | liable | -t backports? |
| 08:59.55 | peterS | you probably forgot the /sarge-backports part |
| 09:00.16 | peterS | liable: there is no 'backports' repository, only 'sarge-backports' |
| 09:00.39 | eifzon | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source/sarge-backports ? |
| 09:00.43 | nelf | i.e. how do I get the driver to find the pcmcia card? |
| 09:01.04 | eifzon | peterS: anything more i have to do after that? |
| 09:01.36 | peterS | eifzon: STOP ASKING ME THAT KIND OF QUESTION. you can find the answer by trying the command, there is no need for you to ask "what happens if I run this command" |
| 09:01.59 | eifzon | what shall i do when i have done: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source/sarge-backports ? |
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| 09:02.14 | groente | hey |
| 09:02.26 | peterS | eifzon: whatever you want. I don't care what you do. start by thinking for yourself a little bit. maybe try to get your nvidia driver to work. |
| 09:02.29 | groente | does anyone else have problems with libfreetype6 segfaulting on etch/x86? |
| 09:03.01 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.06 | eifzon | but i dont know what to do next.. |
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| 09:03.20 | peterS | eifzon: do whatever you want. it's your kernel and your nvidia module, not mine. |
| 09:03.31 | peterS | eifzon: if you can't think for yourself, pay someone else to fix your system. |
| 09:03.52 | peterS | eifzon: you already know what to try next, you just aren't doing it |
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| 09:03.58 | eifzon | i still got that wrong message when iam doing: m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 09:04.04 | peterS | how do you say "think for yourself" in swedish? I don't believe this concept is coming across very clearly |
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| 09:04.37 | peterS | we also don't know what that wrong message is |
| 09:04.38 | nelf | I dist-upgraded to etch, and successfully ran through all package installs, loaded the new kernel - I'm fairly sure I didn't miss any instructions in the process, but now my network card doesn't work - have I missed something? The device works if I use a rescue disk, but the driver is compiled into the kernel (I think) |
| 09:04.52 | Growly | i love you all |
| 09:04.53 | eifzon | peterS: cant i copy it or something.. |
| 09:05.07 | pstickne | nelf, what card and does anything get listed in ifconfig? |
| 09:05.31 | nelf | pstickne: it's an orinoco driver based pcmcia network card, nothing gets listed in ifconfig for it. |
| 09:05.55 | nelf | iwconfig returns nothing either. |
| 09:05.56 | pstickne | nelf, orinoco = wifi? |
| 09:06.05 | nelf | pstickne: yep |
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| 09:06.23 | pstickne | nelf, the pcmcia stuff is being loaded correctly on boot? |
| 09:06.31 | eifzon | peterS: its a kinda LONG wrong message |
| 09:06.38 | eifzon | cant i use pastebin in text? |
| 09:07.01 | nelf | pstickne: It appears to be and I get a ' pccard: PCMCIA cartd inserted into slot0 message |
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| 09:07.04 | azeem | eifzon: transcribe it to the pastebin |
| 09:07.05 | peterS | eifzon: I always do. it'll help to install 'gpm' and 'elinks' so you have a web browser and a mouse |
| 09:07.21 | eifzon | kk |
| 09:07.23 | azeem | nelf: lsmod | grep _cs, what does that show? |
| 09:07.24 | peterS | the elinks browser takes a bit of getting used to, but it's great once you figure it out |
| 09:07.24 | nelf | then a pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0 message, but nothing else |
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| 09:07.48 | nelf | azeem: Nothing at all |
| 09:07.50 | peterS | you do need to hit <enter> on a text form field before you can start typing or pasting into it, that is probably the hardest thing to remember |
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| 09:07.59 | azeem | nelf: what kernel are you running? |
| 09:08.03 | slon` | I'll find out |
| 09:08.10 | eifzon | how do i enter gpm? |
| 09:08.11 | eifzon | startx? |
| 09:08.14 | nelf | azeem: 2.6.16-2-686 with udev |
| 09:08.15 | peterS | the other thing is you need to use shift-middle-button to paste into elinks, not just middle-button |
| 09:08.39 | peterS | eifzon: you don't enter gpm, you enter elinks, by typing elinks. after you install gpm. |
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| 09:08.51 | eifzon | how do i enter elinks then? |
| 09:08.56 | eifzon | never tried this |
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| 09:09.00 | peterS | I think I am wasting my breath. he doesn't listen to anything I say until I say it four times |
| 09:09.00 | azeem | "by typing elinks" |
| 09:09.17 | eifzon | shall i run as root? |
| 09:09.19 | eifzon | or normal |
| 09:09.26 | azeem | eifzon: you always run things as normal first |
| 09:09.29 | peterS | do you run other web browsers as root? |
| 09:09.31 | peterS | or normal? |
| 09:09.32 | azeem | if they complain, you can try root |
| 09:09.40 | nelf | azeem: lsmod | grep pcmcia shows pcmcia, firmaware_class (being used by pcmcia) and pcmcia_core, being used by pcmcia, yenta_socket, rsrc_nontstatic |
| 09:10.27 | azeem | nelf: what does `/sbin/cardctl info' say? |
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| 09:11.10 | Sanguines | ? |
| 09:11.28 | azeem | Sanguines: please ask your question, if you have any |
| 09:11.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:11.32 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:11.45 | eifzon | iam watching the wrong message now, how do i copy it? it doesnt work with ENTER |
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| 09:11.53 | nelf | azeem: PROD_ID1="MELCO", PROD_ID2="WLI-PCM-L11" |
| 09:12.08 | azeem | MANFID? |
| 09:12.13 | nelf | azeem: MANFID=0156,0002, FUNCID=6 |
| 09:12.15 | sanmarcos | how can I make a beep in the console? |
| 09:12.19 | sanmarcos | printf( |
| 09:12.25 | sanmarcos | printf('\a') ? |
| 09:12.42 | peterS | eifzon: sure enough, just as I suspected. you didn't pay any attention to what I said 2 minutes ago. go back and read. |
| 09:13.43 | eifzon | i did press enter |
| 09:13.54 | peterS | eifzon: not that, the other line |
| 09:14.03 | peterS | sanmarcos: printf '\a' or echo -ne '\a' or just 'beep' (a separate package) if you want a bunch of fancy beep options |
| 09:14.29 | sanmarcos | thanks |
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| 09:14.50 | eifzon | ok, but i see a thing in the wrong message from the nvidia: nvidia.ko failed to build! |
| 09:15.09 | torbjorn | is it possible to have sshd auth directly against an ldap service? |
| 09:15.25 | torbjorn | or perhaps first try ldap, then pam |
| 09:15.39 | peterS | eifzon: the error message will be multiple lines, not just that line |
| 09:15.42 | eifzon | ok |
| 09:15.51 | eifzon | peterS: what is the middle buttom |
| 09:15.55 | eifzon | shift middle buttom |
| 09:15.56 | azeem | nelf: try modprobe orinoco_cs, does that show something in dmesg? |
| 09:15.58 | eifzon | shift + |
| 09:16.20 | peterS | eifzon: the button in the center of your mouse. almost all mice have 3 buttons on top. one on the left, one on the right, one in the middle |
| 09:16.30 | eifzon | shift + mouse3 |
| 09:16.33 | peterS | eifzon: with many mice, the middle button is also a wheel |
| 09:16.38 | eifzon | ye |
| 09:16.43 | eifzon | i got that 1 |
| 09:17.53 | peterS | left button to select text, middle button to paste text. inside elinks you have to hold down shift, otherwise the mouse only works for clicking links, not for cutting/pasting. |
| 09:18.54 | eifzon | kk |
| 09:19.21 | nelf | azeem: looks good... lots of eth2 messages about hardware, station, firmware etc... I was modprobing 'orinoco' before, not orinoco_cs.. final three messages are 'eth2: station name HERMES I, eth2: ready |
| 09:19.39 | azeem | nelf: run iwconfig and see whether that gets you something |
| 09:20.09 | eifzon | but peterS how do i paste everything i cant scroll down |
| 09:20.14 | eifzon | i have to take a bit in the time? |
| 09:20.15 | eifzon | at the time |
| 09:20.18 | azeem | yes |
| 09:20.27 | nelf | azeem: yep... thats now absolutely fine, up and running - I'll put orinoco_cs in /etc/modules and that should be fine.. thanks very much for all that. |
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| 09:21.03 | azeem | nelf: you might need to add your MANFID to somewhere in /etc/pcmcia/* rather, so that it gets noticed |
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| 09:21.43 | azeem | card "Intersil PRISM2 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter" |
| 09:21.43 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.43 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.48 | nelf | azeem: OK, I'll see what happens on reboot\ |
| 09:21.57 | azeem | nelf: do you have that line in /etc/pcmcia/config? |
| 09:22.11 | nelf | azeem: I'll just wait for the system to come back up and let you know |
| 09:22.43 | azeem | nelf: probably modules in /etc/modules are getting loaded before PCMCIA is up, so I doubt adding it there works |
| 09:22.46 | azeem | but maybe |
| 09:23.04 | eifzon | azeem: can u help me? |
| 09:23.20 | eifzon | how do i copy everything? |
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| 09:23.37 | RvGaTe | whahoo, today i ordered 2x20" tft screens :D |
| 09:23.47 | RvGaTe | dual screen ftw ! |
| 09:23.58 | nelf | azeem: That line is already there in /etc/pcmcia/config, and you are right, putting orinoco_cs in /etc/modules doesn't work |
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| 09:25.01 | nelf | azeem: I tell a lie... I had no auto eth2 in my network/interfaces file.. now when I ifup eth2, it works straight away. |
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| 09:27.19 | nelf | azeem: With auto eth2, it now works fine on reboot, so it looks like putting orinoco_cs in /etc/modules has worked. |
| 09:27.25 | eifzon | peterS: there? |
| 09:27.47 | peterS | eifzon: maybe. do you have more information yet? |
| 09:27.56 | eifzon | but i dont know how to copy everything,.. |
| 09:28.08 | eifzon | i press shift + leftclick but i cant copy everythihng |
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| 09:30.00 | peterS | eifzon: I can't imagine why you can't copy everything. if it's all there on your screen, you should be able to copy it all |
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| 09:30.17 | eifzon | but i have to scroll down and its more |
| 09:30.21 | eifzon | i dont know how to copy all |
| 09:30.37 | peterS | copy and paste multiple times before submitting your paste to the site, then |
| 09:30.51 | karsten | eifzon: Just highlight. That's copy. Middle-button pastes. |
| 09:30.53 | karsten | eifzon: http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html |
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| 09:31.15 | karsten | eifzon: You're familiar with X11 copy/paste or not? |
| 09:31.16 | peterS | karsten: don't point him at web sites, that'll make things worse. he's stuck without X because he refuses to use the nv driver and can't get the nvidia one to go |
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| 09:31.22 | azeem | eifzon: in any case, I sincerely doubt the error message is longer than one screen |
| 09:31.29 | eifzon | not |
| 09:31.29 | karsten | peterS: What's he trying to copy from? |
| 09:31.38 | peterS | karsten: m-a a-i |
| 09:31.41 | karsten | eifzon: NM for right now. |
| 09:31.44 | karsten | peterS: ?? |
| 09:31.44 | eifzon | nm? :P |
| 09:31.50 | peterS | eifzon: he means 'never mind' |
| 09:32.00 | karsten | peterS: emacs? screen? |
| 09:32.02 | peterS | karsten: m-a is a command from the module-assistant package |
| 09:32.02 | eifzon | i got a wrong message when i shall install nvidia graphics |
| 09:32.08 | karsten | peterS: OK. |
| 09:32.10 | eifzon | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 09:32.17 | peterS | karsten: oh. from another vc, I assume |
| 09:32.18 | karsten | peterS: Ah, gotchya. |
| 09:32.39 | karsten | peterS: Yeah, screen or gdm should allow copy/paste on console. |
| 09:32.44 | peterS | karsten: and pasting into elinks, which I told him to install as well as gpm, so that he could paste his error somewhere |
| 09:33.03 | karsten | peterS: Erm. gpm. Right. |
| 09:33.18 | karsten | peterS: Better you than me here ;-) |
| 09:33.35 | peterS | eifzon: your life might be easier, you know, if you switch to the nv driver so that you can start up X and use your favorite web browser |
| 09:33.48 | peterS | instead of having to use _my_ favorite web browser |
| 09:33.54 | karsten | peterS: heh. |
| 09:34.04 | eifzon | dpkg-reconfigurate xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 09:34.07 | karsten | peterS: Try dog for a change ;-) |
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| 09:34.21 | karsten | peterS: ... it handles URLs, but doesn't parse HTML. |
| 09:34.27 | peterS | dog? |
| 09:34.34 | sanmarcos | where does ssh gets it private keys from? |
| 09:34.36 | karsten | !dog |
| 09:34.36 | dpkg | methinks dog is at http://www.nl.linux.org/~wsl/dog.html (Buffering replacement for cat) or a mammal which is sometimes called mans best friend, or a footstool, or god spelled backwards, or cats from www, or http://mfrost.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/gracem.jpg |
| 09:34.53 | karsten | sanmarcos: Your private keyring. |
| 09:34.58 | eifzon | peterS: i did change to nv? |
| 09:35.01 | eifzon | i have to reboot computer? |
| 09:35.03 | sanmarcos | karsten: where is it located? where are the private keys? |
| 09:35.07 | karsten | sanmarcos: ~/.ssh/id_dsa by default. |
| 09:35.10 | sanmarcos | karsten: thanks |
| 09:35.17 | peterS | eifzon: no, just start X. '/etc/init.d/xdm start' or similar. |
| 09:35.17 | karsten | sanmarcos: ... or ~/.ssh/id_rsa if you're using rsa keys. |
| 09:35.57 | karsten | sanmarcos: "ssh-keygen -t dsa" to generate if you haven't already created them. |
| 09:36.04 | eifzon | it says that it alredy running |
| 09:36.05 | eifzon | brb |
| 09:36.08 | sanmarcos | karsten: yeah, putty uses their own format |
| 09:36.18 | sanmarcos | karsten: sucks you cant use openn ssh keys with it |
| 09:36.28 | karsten | sanmarcos: Note that you can pretty much replace your private key(s) any time you want. |
| 09:36.30 | liable | sanmarcos: it has a converter with it |
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| 09:36.40 | sanmarcos | liable: in puttygen? |
| 09:36.43 | liable | sanmarcos: see putty-keygen |
| 09:36.45 | karsten | sanmarcos: Um. Yeah, but you didn't say PuTTY, you said ssh ;-) |
| 09:36.45 | sanmarcos | thanks |
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| 09:36.56 | liable | sanmarcos: feed it your key, and it'll convert it |
| 09:37.05 | karsten | liable: Is that a bidirectional converter? |
| 09:37.09 | sanmarcos | liable: putty is the shit |
| 09:37.26 | peterS | sanmarcos: it's ok if you don't have anything better, like if you're on a windows box |
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| 09:37.26 | karsten | liable: I ran into the PuTTY / ssh key issue recently, didn't have a resolution for it. |
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| 09:37.30 | liable | karsten: i only ever tried it the one way dsa->putty format |
| 09:37.36 | karsten | liable: OK. |
| 09:37.45 | sanmarcos | karsten: is rsa or dsa better?, does anything bigger than 1024 matteR? |
| 09:37.48 | karsten | peterS: There's always Cygwin ssh. |
| 09:38.06 | peterS | karsten: yeah but that requires installing at least some cygwin infrastructure. which is annoying and slow. |
| 09:38.23 | karsten | sanmarcos: I generally use dsa, I don't think it matters. Old-times rsa was patent encumbered, no longer. rsa is compatible with some key tokens, probably not an issue. |
| 09:38.30 | peterS | karsten: putty.exe is nice in that there is nothing to install, just hit Start -> Run -> http://p12n.org/tmp/putty.exe |
| 09:38.33 | karsten | peterS: *Windows* is annoying and slow. |
| 09:38.44 | karsten | peterS: Cygwin is at least a *useful* slow annoyance. |
| 09:38.49 | karsten | peterS: ... much like myself. |
| 09:39.06 | sanmarcos | karsten: what is the key passphrase for? |
| 09:39.06 | peterS | karsten: works on all manner of stupid kiosk terminals, with very little pain |
| 09:39.12 | karsten | peterS: You can exec a remote EXE? |
| 09:39.20 | karsten | sanmarcos: Security. |
| 09:39.38 | peterS | karsten: I think so ..... |
| 09:39.40 | sanmarcos | karsten: ... do I have to rememebr it/ |
| 09:39.41 | liable | or get the putty that doesnt leave registry shits, and have it on a usb key |
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| 09:39.48 | eifzon | peterS: iam inside X |
| 09:39.51 | eifzon | with vesa graphics |
| 09:40.01 | eifzon | i pastebin the error now |
| 09:40.02 | peterS | karsten: actually come to think of it, many kiosks disable Start->Run, so you have to type http://p12n.org/tmp/putty.exe into internet exploder. but _then_ it works. |
| 09:40.06 | pstickne | cygwin sucks. msys is much better :) |
| 09:40.07 | karsten | sanmarcos: http://www.openssh.com/faq.html |
| 09:40.12 | sanmarcos | karsten: right |
| 09:40.43 | pstickne | peterS, and they allow remote exec-running? how locked down! :p |
| 09:41.02 | karsten | sanmarcos: You don't need to use a password/passphrase, however I'd strongly recommend you use one. It prevents someone from just copying your private key file and using it to impersonate you. |
| 09:41.02 | peterS | pstickne: shrug. it usually works. it does pop up a dialog telling me it's an unsigned binary and asking if I really want to run it. |
| 09:41.17 | sanmarcos | karsten: but the password is never prompted |
| 09:41.25 | k31th | Im trying to do apt-get remove --purge postfix /// but when i do this it trys to remove mysql how can i stop it doing this ? |
| 09:41.29 | pstickne | peterS, what else an you run? ;)) |
| 09:41.33 | karsten | sanmarcos: YOu have to specify the password when creating the key, or add it. |
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| 09:41.34 | xbmodder_lappy | how can I install an SSHd/Telnetd on a system without CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS? |
| 09:41.42 | azeem | k31th: install another MTA |
| 09:41.46 | sanmarcos | karsten: no yeah, but when is the password prompted for the attacker? |
| 09:41.52 | k31th | ok. |
| 09:41.53 | peterS | pstickne: given that I hate developing software for Windows, not much, I'm at the mercy of people who are willing to provide software in .exe form |
| 09:42.02 | karsten | sanmarcos: when they attempt to use the key. |
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| 09:42.08 | peterS | pstickne: but presumably you get whatever power an unprivileged user ever gets in windows, at these things |
| 09:42.11 | karsten | sanmarcos: Read the faq above please. |
| 09:42.30 | sanmarcos | karsten: no time, I am assuming ssh matches the key with a host fingerprint |
| 09:42.50 | peterS | sanmarcos: if you don't have time to read, karsten probably doesn't have time to answer your question |
| 09:43.02 | peterS | I know I don't |
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| 09:43.08 | sanmarcos | peterS: then dont talk |
| 09:43.28 | sanmarcos | to me, that is |
| 09:43.44 | peterS | sanmarcos: PKI is a complicated topic, you cannot expect someone to sit down and explain it all to you if you are not willing to read about it yourself. that's just how it is. |
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| 09:43.55 | sanmarcos | peterS: i understand |
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| 09:44.04 | karsten | peterS: there's lies, damned lies, and statistics. |
| 09:44.22 | karsten | peterS: ... and idiots, inquisitive idiots, and annoying inquisitive idiots.... |
| 09:44.37 | peterS | karsten: been reading Gould ("The median is not the message")? |
| 09:44.55 | eifzon | peterS: u wanna see the whole wrong message now..? |
| 09:44.56 | karsten | peterS: Nope. |
| 09:45.11 | karsten | peterS: ... but for a cyclist ... |
| 09:45.11 | azeem | eifzon: dude, just paste the link here |
| 09:45.11 | peterS | eifzon: in English the pronoun is "you", not "u" |
| 09:45.12 | eifzon | http://pastebin.ca/134255 |
| 09:45.16 | karsten | peterS: ... the median is the roadway. |
| 09:45.23 | pstickne | xbmodder_lappy, maybe screen? |
| 09:45.24 | eifzon | where is the shit |
| 09:45.26 | eifzon | there |
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| 09:46.39 | rvalles_ | I'm trying to set up a tunnel to see home network from work without much luck: "ssh -f -w 0:1 home.org true" and then "ifconfig tun0 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.40 netmask 255.255.255.252" |
| 09:46.43 | rvalles_ | 192.168.0.x are not used at work, and 192.168.0.x is the range my home network uses, so I want to see my home network as if I was in home, in 192.168.0.x. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 09:47.54 | karsten | rvalles_: I think what you want is port forwarding, not a tunnel, I've never used (or seen) the latter. |
| 09:48.11 | peterS | rvalles_: 0.1 and 0.40 are not in the same 255.255.255.252 network. are you sure you got those numbers right? |
| 09:48.35 | karsten | rvalles_: Um, nevermind. |
| 09:48.40 | rvalles | karsten: I definitivelly want a tunnel. |
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| 09:48.49 | karsten | rvalles: Yeah, I'll shut up now. |
| 09:48.51 | eifzon | peterS: did u read my pastebin? |
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| 09:48.59 | Gnea | rvalles: are you aware of the sipcalc program? |
| 09:49.08 | rvalles | Gnea: no |
| 09:49.18 | Gnea | rvalles: well, you're going to need it. |
| 09:49.27 | peterS | eifzon: *sigh*. what was the last thing I told you? |
| 09:49.30 | Gnea | recheck that netmask |
| 09:49.39 | eifzon | .. |
| 09:49.42 | eifzon | nothing? |
| 09:49.57 | karsten | rvalles: There's also 'aggregate' which computes CIDR ranges. |
| 09:49.59 | azeem | eifzon: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=62889 |
| 09:50.13 | rvalles | I don't even know what I am doing; I'm following the example in ssh readme |
| 09:50.17 | rvalles | err, manpage |
| 09:50.23 | finn23 | is it dangerous to run e2fsck on a mounted ext3 partition ? |
| 09:50.30 | rvalles | when I do ifconfig tun0 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.40 netmask 255.255.255.252 |
| 09:50.39 | waiting | finn23: yes. don't do it. |
| 09:50.48 | waiting | finn23: mount read-only. |
| 09:50.48 | finn23 | ok, thanks |
| 09:50.53 | rvalles | the first ip is the one I am locally and the second the one I am remotelly, right? |
| 09:51.00 | waiting | finn23: mount -o remount,ro <partition> |
| 09:51.08 | finn23 | the problem is... it's my / |
| 09:51.10 | Gnea | rvalles: that much is obvious. before you can just 'do it', you'll need to understand that a proper netmask *MUST* be specified. |
| 09:51.12 | waiting | finn23: mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 09:51.19 | Gnea | rvalles: apt-get install ipcalc sipcalc |
| 09:51.37 | eifzon | azeem: ? |
| 09:51.41 | peterS | rvalles: did you come up with an answer to my earlier question about the netmask not matching the IP address values? are you sure this is what you intended? |
| 09:51.42 | Gnea | rvalles: then do a ipcalc 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.252 |
| 09:51.42 | karsten | rvalles: echo 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.252 | aggregate -i netmask -o range |
| 09:51.46 | eifzon | shall i follow that guide? |
| 09:51.48 | karsten | rvalles: 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.0.3 |
| 09:51.50 | finn23 | mount / is busy |
| 09:51.54 | rvalles | karsten: nice. |
| 09:51.59 | karsten | finn23: It usually is. |
| 09:52.14 | finn23 | yes.. but how do I start the system with it in an unbusy state? |
| 09:52.16 | karsten | finn23: lsof -m / |
| 09:52.22 | waiting | finn23: telinit S and turn syslog off /etc/init.d/sysklogd off |
| 09:52.26 | karsten | finn23: Find out what file(s) are open. |
| 09:52.29 | eifzon | peterS: did u gave me the wrong kernel? |
| 09:52.35 | karsten | finn23: Likely a logger as waiting suggests. |
| 09:52.40 | waiting | finn23: turn it back on afterwards ;) |
| 09:52.48 | peterS | eifzon: please read what I tell you |
| 09:52.54 | eifzon | u didnt told me :( |
| 09:52.55 | eifzon | anything |
| 09:52.57 | karsten | waiting: ... or not if you want to do something illegal w/o surveillance video... |
| 09:53.01 | peterS | eifzon: also, read what azeem tells you |
| 09:53.06 | Gnea | peterS: you forgot to tell him to comprehend |
| 09:53.08 | eifzon | i did |
| 09:53.11 | waiting | karsten: :-D you aide the enemy |
| 09:53.16 | peterS | eifzon: you read the link azeem gave you? |
| 09:53.19 | eifzon | yes |
| 09:53.25 | peterS | eifzon: it contains the answer to your problem |
| 09:53.26 | karsten | waiting: Sleep with 'em too ;-) |
| 09:53.35 | karsten | peterS: cyanide pills? |
| 09:53.35 | eifzon | i cant do the sh /path/to/NVIDIA..., cd nvidia etc |
| 09:53.44 | peterS | eifzon: how to apply this knowledge is up to you |
| 09:53.44 | azeem | eifzon: just apply the patch |
| 09:53.50 | finn23 | lsof: -m not supported |
| 09:53.53 | eifzon | how azeem ? |
| 09:54.02 | karsten | finn23: RTFM then and sort it out. |
| 09:54.04 | peterS | eifzon: now you know why we tell people that the closed-source nvidia driver is too much trouble and we'd rather just use free software |
| 09:54.09 | azeem | eifzon: look at the patch, find the file it modifies, and edit that file accordingly |
| 09:54.44 | karsten | finn23: ... or fuser -m / |
| 09:54.52 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 09:55.09 | rvalles | Gnea, karsten: ok, I should use 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:55.27 | Gnea | rvalles: or use 192.168.0.2 instead of .40 :) |
| 09:55.30 | karsten | rvalles: Likely, that's a standard Class C 192.168 subnet. |
| 09:55.37 | rvalles | so... |
| 09:55.43 | karsten | Gnea: Depends on what he's got his local net configured as, no? |
| 09:55.50 | rvalles | ifconfig tun0 192.168.0.40 192.168.0.40 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:56.02 | Gnea | karsten: depends if he wants to open it up that wide too |
| 09:56.05 | karsten | Gnea: from what I understand, he's trying to set up a VPN using SSH and tun0 bits. |
| 09:56.15 | rvalles | but... I still ping my desktop @ home @ 192.168.0.5 |
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| 09:56.20 | rvalles | and it doesn't answer. |
| 09:56.21 | karsten | Gnea: ... doesn't he need the local net configured the same as the VPN? |
| 09:56.42 | karsten | rvalles: It's shunning you? |
| 09:56.43 | Gnea | rvalles: no, .40 is not a broadcast, and that won't work |
| 09:56.50 | karsten | rvalles: ... um, ignore me again. |
| 09:56.53 | johnnyss | hi is there an tool to use for translations of .po files and also if there is some way to merge two .po files? |
| 09:57.04 | karsten | johnnyss: WTF is a .po file? |
| 09:57.07 | rvalles | Gnea: ok, I don't understand ifconfig syntax then |
| 09:57.10 | Gnea | karsten: as long as they're routing over the same virtual device.... |
| 09:57.10 | johnnyss | Translations. |
| 09:57.20 | karsten | johnnyss: Of ... ? |
| 09:57.27 | azeem | karsten: any program |
| 09:57.33 | azeem | which uses GNU gettext, at least |
| 09:57.39 | rvalles | gnea: ifconfig tun0 what1 what2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:57.46 | rvalles | Gnea: what am I supposed to put on those whats? |
| 09:57.49 | Gnea | rvalles: ifconfig DEVICE IP broadcast BROADCASTIP netmask NETMASK |
| 09:58.05 | rvalles | ok |
| 09:58.17 | karsten | johnnyss: What's 'file' say of your .po file? |
| 09:58.23 | Gnea | now, if you use ipcalc and sipcalc, you will know what values to use |
| 09:58.44 | Gnea | sipcalc 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 09:58.49 | rvalles | Gnea: ifconfig tun0 192.168.0.40 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:58.51 | Gnea | that should be good enough |
| 09:58.55 | eifzon | azeem: ?? |
| 09:58.56 | azeem | johnnyss: there's kbabel for KDE it seems |
| 09:58.57 | Gnea | rvalles: bingo |
| 09:59.02 | johnnyss | karsten, file tinyerp-client.sv.po tinyerp-client.sv.po: UTF-8 Unicode English text |
| 09:59.02 | rvalles | Gnea: no bingo. |
| 09:59.03 | Gnea | karsten: it's still not going to work. |
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| 09:59.05 | rvalles | Gnea: it doesn't work. |
| 09:59.10 | Gnea | rvalles: of course not. |
| 09:59.12 | eifzon | azeem: how shall i look at the patch? |
| 09:59.13 | rvalles | Gnea: I ping the machines at home, they do not answer. |
| 09:59.19 | Gnea | rvalles: what vpn software are you using? |
| 09:59.19 | johnnyss | azeem, I could try that then. |
| 09:59.24 | rvalles | Gnea: ssh. |
| 09:59.35 | azeem | johnnyss: I thought there was a GNOME tool for that as well, but I can't find it right now |
| 09:59.36 | karsten | johnnyss: I see one association of that as GNU Gettext Portable Object (Free Software Foundation) |
| 09:59.40 | rvalles | Gnea: before this ifconfig thing, I did... |
| 09:59.42 | karsten | johnnyss: WTF are you trying to do? |
| 09:59.51 | Gnea | rvalles: did you setup tun0 on the opposite end properly? |
| 09:59.51 | karsten | Gnea: What's not going to work? |
| 09:59.58 | rvalles | Gnea: ssh -f -w 0:1 home.org true |
| 10:00.04 | Gnea | man |
| 10:00.08 | azeem | johnnyss: try #debian-i18n on irc.debian.org |
| 10:00.10 | Gnea | i haven't done vpn with ssh in years |
| 10:00.17 | azeem | they should know best how to handle .po files |
| 10:00.22 | karsten | Gnea: I haven't done it ever, reading with interest. |
| 10:00.24 | rvalles | Gnea: it's a new feature in 4.3 which is quite new ;) |
| 10:00.27 | johnnyss | karsten, I want to uppdate and old translation of tinyerp. |
| 10:00.31 | Gnea | openvpn is more complicated but can do it properly |
| 10:00.39 | rvalles | Gnea: before, it was done with ssh+pppd and other ugly stuff |
| 10:00.47 | karsten | johnnyss: NFC then, sorry. What azeem said. |
| 10:00.48 | johnnyss | azeem, I can try that irc channel. |
| 10:00.49 | Gnea | rvalles: it's still ugly ;) |
| 10:00.55 | karsten | azeem: Should I tell him about the rusty pipes? |
| 10:01.10 | rvalles | Gnea: it's not, but the point is, it doesn't work and I don't get why |
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| 10:01.34 | Gnea | rvalles: someone else may be able to help you... i gotta crash |
| 10:01.43 | peterS | Gnea: well, these days, ssh has built-in support for running a vpn. in the past you had to hack it using ppp over ssh |
| 10:01.47 | k31th | im thinking about using mysql db's to store my users mail in is there any way of moving exsisting mail into the db ? |
| 10:02.00 | azeem | eifzon: do not /query people in here unless they ask you to, please |
| 10:02.06 | eifzon | k |
| 10:02.08 | k31th | or is this task just not worth the effort? |
| 10:02.23 | Gnea | peterS: sounds hokey.... good luck with that |
| 10:02.36 | azeem | eifzon: just use the nv driver if you cannot cope with this problem, I do not have the time to hold your hand through this |
| 10:02.38 | karsten | peterS: I *think* that's what we're doing with the tun0 stuff here, which I've never seen before. |
| 10:02.53 | karsten | k31th: #mysql |
| 10:03.00 | peterS | karsten: right. I haven't done it, but I read that openssh recently gained support for that. |
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| 10:03.07 | karsten | k31th: Might look for a front end. You'll need a suitable database schema as well. |
| 10:03.18 | johnnyss | azeem there is no #debian-i18n channel on freenode... |
| 10:03.25 | azeem | johnnyss: I said irc.debian.org |
| 10:03.33 | johnnyss | ooops :) |
| 10:03.39 | karsten | johnnyss: aka oftc.net |
| 10:03.45 | karsten | johnnyss: Different IRC server |
| 10:03.49 | johnnyss | yes |
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| 10:06.58 | karsten | rvalles: There's a section in the openssh (Debian ssh client) manpage on VPN confgurations. |
| 10:07.06 | karsten | rvalles: See: SSH-BASED VIRTUAL PRIVATE NETWORKS |
| 10:07.32 | rvalles | yeah, explains quite little |
| 10:07.33 | rvalles | anyways |
| 10:07.36 | rvalles | I've figured stuff out |
| 10:07.38 | karsten | rvalles: The remote SSH server needs to be configured to allow the connection. |
| 10:07.41 | rvalles | I have a problem, tho |
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| 10:07.48 | rvalles | karsten: it is already |
| 10:07.53 | karsten | rvalles: Note that enabling verbose debug output can help a lot. |
| 10:07.54 | rvalles | I need to set up a bridge |
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| 10:07.56 | rvalles | how is it done? |
| 10:08.07 | rvalles | to bridge tun0 with eth0 |
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| 10:08.12 | karsten | rvalles: ...and I'd not the fork option until I had things working right. |
| 10:08.15 | jbrimble | is it wise to do an apt-get dist-upgrade if I'm using Debian Backports.org? Will this create any instability? |
| 10:08.18 | karsten | rvalles: IIRC brctl |
| 10:08.21 | rvalles | the tunnel part at home is set up by hand |
| 10:08.31 | rvalles | it receives the packages... all that's left is that |
| 10:08.32 | rvalles | ok |
| 10:08.37 | peterS | jbrimble: dist-upgrade won't use the sarge-backports repo |
| 10:08.43 | peterS | jbrimble: so it should be fine |
| 10:08.55 | jbrimble | so it's safe then? Sweet. |
| 10:08.56 | jbrimble | Thankyou |
| 10:08.59 | karsten | rvalles: aptitude install bridge-utils |
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| 10:09.09 | peterS | jbrimble: however, if you're dist-upgrading to etch or sid, there could be some packages from backports.org which don't allow clean upgrades |
| 10:09.36 | peterS | jbrimble: since backports.org isn't officially supported or anything, nobody will want to make guarantees about quality of implementation (and upgradability is a quality of implementation issue) |
| 10:09.49 | jbrimble | hmm, maybe i shouldn't play with it while it's functioning correctly. |
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| 10:10.01 | peterS | I mean, don't let me scare you |
| 10:10.13 | peterS | you already decided you didn't need Debian's official quality seal, by using backports.org in the first place |
| 10:10.23 | peterS | I'm just reminding you of what you already decided |
| 10:10.35 | jbrimble | I've only used backports for MySQL 5.0. |
| 10:10.50 | jbrimble | I understand what you're saying, though. |
| 10:10.55 | karsten | rvalles: Don't have this configured currently, but IIRC to do some stuff with UML/qemu, I ended up setting up a bridge as my default network interface, adding eth0 to it, then adding additional tun/tap devices to it as I brought up various VMs. |
| 10:11.31 | peterS | JohnQ: are you Denzel Washington? |
| 10:12.13 | k31th | wat is a "challange password" (regarding a ssl cert) |
| 10:12.17 | karsten | peterS: He's dead, Jim. |
| 10:12.24 | JohnQ | Not that I am aware of.. no.. |
| 10:12.31 | rvalles | karsten: same here |
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| 10:12.43 | peterS | JohnQ: wasn't he the star of the movie 'john q'? I never saw it so I could be remembering wrong. |
| 10:12.53 | rvalles | karsten: the problem was at the end that ssh doesn't do its homework automatically... |
| 10:12.55 | karsten | rvalles: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66694&highlight=tunctl |
| 10:13.03 | rvalles | karsten: and the server part needs to set up the tunnel by hand, too. |
| 10:13.21 | karsten | rvalles: Hrm. |
| 10:13.22 | rvalles | karsten: now which package brctl is in? |
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| 10:13.28 | JohnQ | Bah.. I have been using this name way before that POS.. |
| 10:13.30 | rvalles | wait, bridge-utils |
| 10:13.31 | karsten | 03:08 < karsten> rvalles: aptitude install bridge-utils |
| 10:13.34 | karsten | :-) |
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| 10:13.47 | rvalles | karsten: missed that, oops :) |
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| 10:13.55 | karsten | rvalles: I'll let it slide this time. |
| 10:14.11 | peterS | JohnQ: something about a guy who doesn't have health insurance, holding an entire hospital hostage to get free cancer treatment for his child ... or something? |
| 10:14.25 | petemc | :) |
| 10:14.28 | JohnQ | Never saw it |
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| 10:14.50 | peterS | eh, don't call it a POS, as far as you and I know it could be a great movie |
| 10:14.58 | k31th | wat is a "challange password" (regarding a ssl cert) |
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| 10:15.05 | rvalles | peterS: crazy, but then again, we have public healthcare here (spain) |
| 10:15.07 | karsten | !tell k31th about repeat |
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| 10:15.30 | JohnQ | Its a POS purely because it stole my name.. thats all :-) |
| 10:15.57 | peterS | rvalles: bureaucracy is bureaucracy everywhere, whether it's a private hospital or a public health care plan. anyone might be denied treatment that he somehow thinks he needs |
| 10:16.04 | karsten | liable: WRT enemies, evil, and all of that: http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2161 |
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| 10:17.01 | karsten | Oh, and in random other useless information.... |
| 10:17.16 | karsten | ... the BSOD screensaver (xscreensaver) for Win95 ... |
| 10:17.35 | rvalles_ | karsten: great, now I made home offline |
| 10:17.47 | rvalles_ | I'll have to wait till I get home to be able to connect home again, oops |
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| 10:18.39 | karsten | rvalles_: wups |
| 10:18.54 | rvalles_ | karsten: yup, woops. |
| 10:19.11 | karsten | ... reading " A fatal exception 0E has occured at F0AD:42494C4C" |
| 10:19.21 | karsten | ... translates to FOAD BILL. |
| 10:19.37 | rvalles_ | karsten: my p2p stuff will be delayed about 8h thanks to my stupidity |
| 10:19.38 | peterS | indeed it does |
| 10:19.46 | echostorm | hey guys... im a linux newbie with kindof a general question. Can anyone suggest a filesystem that can be read a written to by both linux and windows? The current partition is 131 GB and is NTFS, which i have discovered was a REALLY bad choice. |
| 10:19.55 | karsten | echostorm: vfat |
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| 10:20.01 | peterS | karsten: exception 0E might be a subtle dig at 0utlook Express, too |
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| 10:20.05 | echostorm | thanx :) |
| 10:20.27 | karsten | echostorm: There's very poor (and not recommended) NTFS R/W support in Linux. There are also ext2fs drivers / utilities for Windows. |
| 10:20.30 | peterS | echostorm: note that vfat has a size limit quite a lot smaller than 131 GB. I forget whether it's 32 GB or 80 GB. |
| 10:20.42 | karsten | echostorm: Better: use a SMB/Samba/CIFS fileshare. |
| 10:20.44 | echostorm | ouch. |
| 10:20.55 | karsten | peterS: I thought at least 64GB. |
| 10:21.04 | peterS | yeah, blame Microsoft for that one, they're the ones who specified and first implemented FAT32. |
| 10:21.29 | tralala | echostorm: there is an ext2 driver for windows |
| 10:21.31 | Trewas | there is no such small limit in vfat |
| 10:21.32 | karsten | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184006/ |
| 10:21.37 | karsten | peterS: 8 TB for FAT32 |
| 10:21.53 | peterS | karsten: perhaps it's just Windows 2000's implementation which was limited, then. I know there was a limit. |
| 10:22.34 | karsten | peterS: Well, that's a theoretical max. I'm finding other values all over the map. |
| 10:22.38 | echostorm | wow, so apperently alot of choices :) |
| 10:22.45 | karsten | peterS: Starting at a low of 4GB which seems a lot smaller. |
| 10:23.02 | peterS | karsten: FAT16 maxes out at 4 GB |
| 10:23.03 | karsten | echostorm: vfat/fat32 is your best bet. |
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| 10:23.23 | echostorm | ok that sounds like the ticket then |
| 10:23.37 | JohnQ | Im a little confused.. I just did a dist-upgrade form sarge to sid, which upgraded my gcc from 4.0 to 4.1 But when I try to build the ivtv kernel module it says it cant find gcc-4.0 ... why is it even looking for it? |
| 10:23.37 | karsten | peterS: Given that USB media are now hitting multi-GB values and use FAT, I'd think it's higher than that. |
| 10:23.44 | peterS | karsten: so the same applies to a system partition in a new NT4 install, since the NT4 installer creates a FAT filesystem first, then converts it to NTFS later if specified. (win2k does the same thing but since it starts with fat32 it doesn't have the 4 GB limit) |
| 10:24.07 | karsten | peterS: Ahh..... |
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| 10:24.13 | echostorm | gonna have to log into windows and transfer out files thanx a ton guys. |
| 10:24.22 | JohnQ | more precicely, it says "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-k7/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-4.0: command not found" any ideas? |
| 10:24.29 | karsten | peterS: Stop. I'd forgotten the screams, the blood, the dismembered bodies. Memories. Memories.... |
| 10:24.47 | karsten | JohnQ: Um. Install a compiler? |
| 10:24.57 | JohnQ | gcc 4.1 is installed. |
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| 10:25.18 | karsten | JohnQ: Check that script and se what specifically it's looking for. |
| 10:25.39 | azeem | it's better to compile those modules with the same compiler that was used for the kernel |
| 10:25.41 | JohnQ | there is no 4.0 hard coded in there.. already looked |
| 10:25.54 | karsten | JohnQ: OK. NFC then. |
| 10:25.58 | peterS | karsten: ahh, the knowledge base article confirms that win2000 has a 32 GB limit - but just at format time. if you create the filesystem elsewhere, MS claims that win2000 can use it. |
| 10:25.59 | karsten | JohnQ: GIYF. |
| 10:26.02 | JohnQ | I dunno what compiler was used to compile the debian kernels.. |
| 10:26.10 | echostorm | John Q I probably have no idea what im talking about but I was having a gcc issue earlier (needed a very specific version fo a nvidia driver install) apperently theres a whole list of em you can get... maybe just insall the one your missing? |
| 10:26.12 | azeem | JohnQ: probably 4.0, if it complains about that |
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| 10:26.19 | tenzing_ | atlanta |
| 10:26.23 | liable | JohnQ: cat /proc/version |
| 10:26.26 | karsten | peterS: OK, I thought it was something like that, wasn't sure if you were better off creating under 'Doze or not. |
| 10:26.29 | finn_ | back |
| 10:26.55 | tenzing_ | opps |
| 10:26.55 | Doat | The audio in flash animations comes a bit late. Can i fix this? |
| 10:27.11 | JohnQ | strange that sid installs 4.1 and a karnel built with 4.0.4... |
| 10:27.14 | jbrimble | !tell kernel |
| 10:27.23 | azeem | JohnQ: no, not strange |
| 10:27.25 | jbrimble | !tell upgrade kernel |
| 10:27.31 | azeem | JohnQ: just install gcc-4.0 |
| 10:27.34 | jbrimble | ugh damnit. |
| 10:27.34 | echostorm | Before I compiled my Nvidia sources i had to install the missing gcc and star my command with a line like CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0.3 |
| 10:27.39 | JohnQ | if they need to be the same.. its strange. |
| 10:27.42 | azeem | jbrimble: please /msg the bot |
| 10:27.43 | jbrimble | How do i upgrade me kernel? can i do it with apt-get? |
| 10:27.47 | jbrimble | sorry |
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| 10:27.55 | echostorm | even though i had 4.0 *shrug |
| 10:27.55 | karsten | jbrimble: Yes. |
| 10:28.13 | karsten | peterS: ... and fat32 has a 4GB filesize limit. |
| 10:28.13 | echostorm | star = start |
| 10:28.33 | liable | JohnQ: just export CC |
| 10:29.02 | liable | if you have 4.0 installed already.. |
| 10:29.20 | JohnQ | I have 4.1 installed.. not 4.0. |
| 10:29.24 | zanpakuto | anyone used xen with dual lan cards? how do I enable both on the domU? |
| 10:29.27 | azeem | JohnQ: dude, what is the issue? |
| 10:29.31 | azeem | JohnQ: just install gcc-4.0 as well |
| 10:29.40 | Suprano | In my Xorg config, which device should my USB mouse be? Option "device" "/dev/inpute/mice" is it atm.. |
| 10:29.52 | peterS | karsten: ah, indeed. |
| 10:30.00 | karsten | zanpakuto: IIRC you can specify multiple NICs in your config file. |
| 10:30.15 | peterS | karsten: the 32-bit file size field must have seemed rather extravagant in the days of floppy disks and FAT12 |
| 10:30.25 | echostorm | karsten = apperently it looks like you can only create up to 32gb fat32 partitions in windows although it can read and write to already existing fat32 partitions of any size. weird. |
| 10:30.38 | karsten | peterS: Quite WRT filesizes. |
| 10:30.43 | zanpakuto | karsten, hmmm. ok. i will look for that . thanks! :) |
| 10:30.46 | echostorm | so make it in gnome i gather |
| 10:30.48 | karsten | peterS: Didn't FAT start out ~1981 or so? |
| 10:30.56 | JohnQ | I'm just trying to figure out why its even looking for 4.1 I cant find it hard coded anywhere. |
| 10:30.57 | peterS | echostorm: I see they also note that they did this on purpose, to encourage you not to be insane (they know NTFS works much better than FAT on huge disks) |
| 10:31.03 | karsten | zanpakuto: xen's docs are pretty good, hit those first. |
| 10:31.09 | azeem | JohnQ: I thought it was looking for 4.0 |
| 10:31.24 | JohnQ | it is.. sorry.. typo :-) |
| 10:31.25 | finn_ | I ran e2fsck -f -p on the device and it said something about 4.7% non contigious. dmesg isn't giving me filesystem errors anymore, but a torrent keeps getting "hash check failed, redownloading" |
| 10:31.32 | peterS | karsten: yeah, I assume so, it was the original MS-DOS filesystem. it wasn't until DOS 4 or DOS 5 that FAT16 was invented to get around the 32 MB (yes, MB) partition size limit |
| 10:31.34 | karsten | zanpakuto: ... and if you can't find anything specific, the fedora core documentation (for Xen) was also really good. I worked on the project (xen, not FC) for a while. |
| 10:31.45 | Trewas | echostorm: >32GB fat partitions can be created in xp at least |
| 10:31.58 | karsten | peterS: technology with a 25 year lifetime ain't half bad. |
| 10:32.10 | echostorm | yeah. I am not a huge fan of fat32 but if i cant reliable access my extra drives without making 10 partitions with it, its gonna be trouble for one of these os's lol |
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| 10:32.23 | zanpakuto | karsten, thanks a lot for the info! :) |
| 10:32.24 | karsten | !tell Suprano about nvidia |
| 10:32.31 | karsten | !tell Suprano about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:32.51 | karsten | Suprano: ... and that's all I know about nvidia. Use supported HW with open specs. |
| 10:32.51 | Suprano | i did that all already! |
| 10:32.52 | echostorm | um... that completely made sense when i was thinking it but came out really poorly |
| 10:33.00 | peterS | karsten: FAT12 uses only 12 bits for the cluster number, and the cluster size was limited to 8 kB, I think, so that's why really old MS-DOS versions made you partition your hard drive into multiple 32-MB partitions if you had a drive that huge |
| 10:33.02 | karsten | Suprano: Sucks to be you ;-) |
| 10:33.05 | Suprano | ^^ |
| 10:33.17 | karsten | peterS: Feh. |
| 10:33.31 | karsten | Suprano: /dev/input/mice |
| 10:33.39 | karsten | Suprano: Make sure you've got USB support configured. |
| 10:33.42 | JohnQ | liable: I just tried setting CC ... didnt have an effect. apparently its being overridden in the make somewhere. |
| 10:33.43 | Suprano | well i just found some interessting log messages: CAnnot Open device /dev/input/mice : No such device |
| 10:33.50 | peterS | karsten: of course, I didn't have a drive that huge (32 whole megabytes!), so it wasn't an issue for me (: |
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| 10:34.53 | fyrestrtr | how much space is needed for a minimal debian install (server system, no X)? |
| 10:35.11 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Least practical install I've managed is about 120 MB. |
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| 10:35.32 | Suprano | the only usb modul loaded is usbcore. Is that correct ? |
| 10:35.37 | karsten | fyrestrtr: I'd recommend a gig or more for useful stuff, and 6-10 GB if you plan on a full installation. |
| 10:35.52 | RSerW8js5 | can i install debian linux on a sata hard drive? |
| 10:35.55 | karsten | Suprano: Should see uhci_hcd as well. |
| 10:36.00 | fyrestrtr | okay, and how much of this do you have to download if you just have the initial cd? |
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| 10:36.10 | petemc | fyrestrtr: an install i just did was 483meg |
| 10:36.29 | Suprano | hm that module does not show up |
| 10:36.48 | karsten | rvalles_: Yes. |
| 10:36.56 | karsten | savvas: Yes. |
| 10:36.58 | citral | hello, does someone know a way to install debian on a machine that has no monitor/keyboard/mouse ? |
| 10:36.59 | karsten | rvalles_: Sorry, NM. |
| 10:37.13 | JohnQ | ah frigit. I'll just make a symlink from 4.0 to 4.1 |
| 10:37.24 | savvas | karsten, does it require any special commands or is it detected automatically during the installation? |
| 10:37.26 | karsten | citral: Install to a different machine and swap HDs, or use a serial terminal. |
| 10:37.47 | karsten | savvas: I think it Just Works. Try, report issues and/or google for howto. |
| 10:38.00 | citral | well I'll have to find another scsi machine but it's ok, thanks |
| 10:38.00 | savvas | oki doki, thanks :) |
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| 10:38.43 | karsten | citral: If this is something you're doing frequently, I'd set up a PXE boot to handle the serial configuration automatically, otherwise you'll have to modify the boot media. WHy can't you attach at the very least a keyboard? |
| 10:39.12 | karsten | citral: Alternatively you can do a chroot install under something else. What's on this headless box ATM? |
| 10:39.30 | liable | JohnQ: what does echo $CC output? |
| 10:40.31 | JohnQ | Well.. since I unset it, it says it is undefined. When I set it, it was gcc-4.1 |
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| 10:40.59 | citral | karsten: I recently purchased an xseries 330, it came without a special c2t cable that is neede to plug in monitor/keyboard and mouse. The cable itself costs at least 50 Euros so if I can spare it I will do (since the xserver will be a mail/web/ftp server that I will control via ssh) |
| 10:41.13 | liable | JohnQ: are you using m-a? |
| 10:41.36 | JohnQ | m-a? |
| 10:41.38 | karsten | citral: c2t? |
| 10:41.43 | echostorm | ok... the fat32 is giving me a headache.. I am actually willing to back up my files in the network and repartition the whole drive. This one is 250gb and will use 2 60gb areas for OS's 2 5GB Swaps and 120GB for Data Storage. If I am redoing the whole thing... How would you guys set it up, having much better experience with multiple os's then I could ever hope to have? |
| 10:41.44 | karsten | !m-a |
| 10:41.44 | dpkg | it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:42.20 | liable | JohnQ: i thought you said you needed 4.0? why did you set it to 4.1? |
| 10:42.23 | karsten | echostorm: I wouldn't do a dual boot ;-) |
| 10:42.31 | JohnQ | no.. I downloaded the ivtv source.. and went into the dir and said "make". It isnt my own module. |
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| 10:42.53 | JohnQ | Because I have 4.1 installed, not 4.0 ... so It cant use 4.0 no matter how much it wants to. |
| 10:43.05 | karsten | echostorm: You can get VMWare Workstation (or GSX server) for free these days. For basic OS interop, that's my preferred solution. |
| 10:43.36 | liable | JohnQ: how many times do we need to tell you to install gcc-4.0? |
| 10:43.43 | Doat | The audio in flash animations comes a bit late. Can i fix this? |
| 10:43.48 | karsten | echostorm: Lacks a bit of gaming performance, but pretty much gives you ability to run two OSs simultaneously. File share would then be via an SMB share from the host. |
| 10:43.56 | JohnQ | grumble grumble. |
| 10:43.59 | karsten | !tell doat about repeat |
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| 10:44.07 | tuxub | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.12 | echostorm | Karsten - as much as I like VMWARE it has a problem with programming through the serial port to smartcards we use for work, and actually locked me out a few times, so VM is oout :( |
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| 10:44.33 | Doat | karsten: i definitely didn't repeat "immediately" |
| 10:44.37 | karsten | echostorm: Ok. |
| 10:44.56 | karsten | Doat: Nope, but likley your answer isn't here. Might try another channel or a mailing list / usenet group. |
| 10:45.00 | echostorm | I have tried that option, including trying to just get the programs emulated but, unfortunately they are prtty dependednt on obscure ms librarys |
| 10:45.12 | karsten | echostorm: Dig. |
| 10:45.15 | echostorm | lol ok |
| 10:45.38 | karsten | tuxub: Should IIRC. man procmailrc |
| 10:45.56 | karsten | tuxub: ... and procmailex |
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| 10:47.09 | Suprano | hmm karsten , i tryed zjis: m-a a-i usbmouse |
| 10:47.25 | karsten | echostorm: That said, your partitioning looked reasonable. I like carving up my own Linux systems a bit more specifically, but nothing wrong with the basics. |
| 10:47.30 | Suprano | but that did not work (What is usbmouse? said it) |
| 10:47.39 | karsten | Suprano: Shouldn't be necessary. |
| 10:47.58 | karsten | Suprano: Make sure /dev/input/ exists. |
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| 10:48.17 | Suprano | it exist |
| 10:48.22 | Suprano | s |
| 10:48.31 | Suprano | there is also the file mice .. |
| 10:48.41 | tuxub | karsten, txs a lot |
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| 10:48.59 | karsten | Suprano: ... and if you modprobe the USB modules I mentioned earlier, you should get: event[0-3] js[0-3] mice mouse[0-3] |
| 10:49.18 | karsten | tuxub: NP. Procmail's a bitch, but it's *your* bitch ;-) |
| 10:49.19 | Suprano | hmm i got all this files |
| 10:49.22 | dream | hello all |
| 10:49.29 | karsten | Suprano: OK, maybe retry starting X now? |
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| 10:50.26 | Suprano | hmm m-a a-i uhci_hcd does not work too.. |
| 10:50.54 | karsten | Suprano: I don't think you need to mess with m-a |
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| 10:51.05 | Suprano | modprobe ? |
| 10:51.07 | prog | hello to all |
| 10:51.11 | nelf | On upgrade to etch, my apache, apache-ssl and apache-perl scripts are all failing on post-installation script returning with exit status 10, where do I find out more about this error (not getting much back from google) |
| 10:51.12 | Suprano | modconf ? |
| 10:51.23 | karsten | Suprano: modprobe |
| 10:51.36 | prog | nelf, what about logs ? |
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| 10:51.55 | karsten | nelf: run the scripts manually. 'bash -x <script>' to see steps as executed. /var/lib/dpkg/info/ is where they live. |
| 10:52.25 | nelf | ok karsten |
| 10:52.46 | Bushmills | 'morning |
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| 10:52.54 | karsten | Bushmills: Thanks for reminding me. |
| 10:53.25 | Bushmills | as in, t'is never too late for a good sip? |
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| 10:53.38 | karsten | Bushmills: ;-) |
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| 10:54.41 | karsten | Bushmills: ... though I'm partial to Laphroaig. |
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| 10:55.03 | nelf | karsten: Scapa is rather nice too :) |
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| 10:56.16 | karsten | ... meaning "hair of the dog" |
| 10:56.46 | yeager | .. but Talisker 18 yo .. yes, please. |
| 10:56.46 | nelf | karsten: can't exec apache.config: no such file or directory. |
| 10:57.13 | nelf | Not sure which package provides this script |
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| 10:59.47 | nelf | karsten: Brb |
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| 11:01.46 | nelf | karsten: It's already installed: /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.config |
| 11:01.57 | karsten | nelf: yeah, I was going to tell you that ;-) |
| 11:02.11 | karsten | nelf: I gotta hit the sack. |
| 11:02.20 | nelf | OK, cheers. |
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| 11:07.44 | nelf | OK, I have the postinst script for apache (and -perl & -ssl) failing as it cannot exec apache.config (no such file), even though it's installed as part of dpkg /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.config.. anyone else seen this (I've upgraded to etch) |
| 11:07.57 | vlt | Hello. I have a weird iptables problem on Sarge. I have a rule (-t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i ppp0 --dport 5062 -j DNAT ...). When I send UDP packets to this machine to ppp0 only the first is shown in the packet counter. After a while (about 2 mins) when I try again the first packet is counted. There a no LIMIT rules in any table. Why could that be? |
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| 11:08.19 | vlt | Now I inserted a LOG rule and in syslog too only the "first" packet appears. |
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| 11:08.29 | k31th | guys i need a simple mail sender that will send mail from perl using this /usr/lib/sendmail -t -i -f'$fromemail' -F'$fromname' |
| 11:08.33 | k31th | any suggestions |
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| 11:08.52 | karsten | nelf: (still here): try running 'bash -x' on your apache postinst to see what specific commands it running. May be a command *in* apache.config it can't find. |
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| 11:09.25 | nelf | karsten: Can't exec "apache.config": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl/5.8/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. |
| 11:09.37 | nelf | open2: exec of apache.config configure failed at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm line 58 |
| 11:09.56 | karsten | nelf: Running as yourself or root? |
| 11:10.21 | nelf | That line in the perl script is simply trying to run an exec and warning out the command... I'm running as sudo |
| 11:10.23 | karsten | nelf: Sounds like a bad path config. Hrm. /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.config won't be on any standard path ;-) |
| 11:10.29 | karsten | nelf: Should work. |
| 11:10.37 | karsten | nelf: Hrm. I'll sleep on it ;-) |
| 11:11.07 | nelf | :) I'll put a symlink to it in /usr/sbin |
| 11:12.11 | vlt | [only 1st udp packet logged] I tried from two different hosts "outside ppp0" and it's the same behavior ... |
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| 11:21.34 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:21.34 | dpkg | i guess qotd146 is <penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off |
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| 11:21.51 | Tallu | FreshMp3: get out. |
| 11:21.57 | liable | !ops FreshMp3 spammer |
| 11:21.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: liable complains about: FreshMp3 spammer |
| 11:22.14 | RichiH | liable: ta |
| 11:22.24 | liable | RichiH: no, thank you! :) |
| 11:23.05 | liable | wow, Maulkin most be an important op, he's listed twice! |
| 11:23.32 | liable | i see we seemed to have gained quite a few new ones lately.. |
| 11:23.47 | RichiH | liable: true |
| 11:23.54 | RichiH | synergy from oftc, i presume |
| 11:24.21 | liable | yeah, i cant say i have seen em on this server |
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| 11:26.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 11:26.40 | Maulkin | That's better |
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| 11:29.43 | RichiH | Maulkin: i klined it, anyway |
| 11:29.55 | Maulkin | RichiH: \o/ ta |
| 11:30.15 | RichiH | :) |
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| 11:38.48 | liable | holy shit, this is quite hilarious.. http://www.slate.com/id/2147808 |
| 11:41.49 | k31th | how do i reconfigure a package ? |
| 11:41.57 | k31th | dpkg --reconfgirure? |
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| 11:42.37 | nivanson | k31th: right... dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 11:42.52 | MindCr | k31th, dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 11:43.19 | azeem | nivanson: no |
| 11:43.32 | nivanson | azeem: sorry :) |
| 11:44.13 | rvalles_ | karsten: the machine @ home is online again, thanks to a phone call. |
| 11:47.16 | tijn_ | in my /etc/hosts file, can i do like 10.0.0.10 blabla.com blblablablalb.com etc? |
| 11:47.44 | tijn_ | like no new line for every url |
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| 11:50.25 | nimurphy | how do i create symlinks? i tried man ln, but is that for hard-linking, and is there any difference? |
| 11:51.34 | waiting | ln -si <exists> <symlink> |
| 11:51.53 | waiting | yes, there is |
| 11:52.01 | waiting | get a UNIX factsbook ^^ |
| 11:52.22 | nimurphy | ah, ok. i ddn't have a very good look at the man page it seems |
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| 11:52.55 | waiting | no prob |
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| 11:53.57 | Grapsus | hi! |
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| 11:56.21 | Grapsus | hey it's quiet today here! |
| 11:56.29 | Ronin | Grapsus: dont jinx it |
| 11:56.38 | nimurphy | waiting: is that ln -si <file to link from> <file to link to> ? |
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| 11:57.34 | googleme | startkeylogger |
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| 11:57.51 | Ronin | googleme: idiot |
| 11:58.02 | rvalles | ok, I have this problem... |
| 11:58.03 | rvalles | setsuna:~# iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 11:58.08 | googleme | gosh! ݷ |
| 11:58.09 | rvalles | err, with -I |
| 11:58.39 | rvalles | that masquerades eth0, so that all the computers behind the other interfaces can access eth0 through this box |
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| 11:58.44 | Ronin | oh we know what it does, no need to be an ass though and use it |
| 11:58.51 | googleme | :P |
| 11:58.54 | rvalles | the question is... I only want _one_ interface to be able to do that |
| 11:58.56 | rvalles | not all the others |
| 11:58.56 | Grapsus | Ronin, now it's as usual! |
| 11:59.02 | rvalles | how do I rescrict this? |
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| 12:00.00 | Fear_cult | anyone know how to install fonts? i moved em to /usr/share/fonts/truetype then the 3 subdirs is that right? |
| 12:00.30 | rvalles | # iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE -> that turns me into a router giving access to eth0 to the boxes behind the other interfaces. How do I rescrict this so that only the boxes behind one of the other interfaces can use me as a router? |
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| 12:00.46 | Grapsus | Fear_cult, I think there's a command to regenerate the fonts cache |
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| 12:01.33 | Fear_cult | any clue what it is Grapsus |
| 12:01.39 | Ronin | RichiH: you awake? googleme is making the rounds doing that annoying start key logger nonsense |
| 12:02.08 | RichiH | Ronin: i will look into it |
| 12:02.12 | Grapsus | Fear_cult, I'm not very good at fonts and all the X stuff, I'm searching for you on google |
| 12:02.16 | RichiH | Ronin: left the network |
| 12:02.48 | Ronin | RichiH: oh well thanks anyways |
| 12:03.09 | Fear_cult | yea im googling too |
| 12:03.10 | Fear_cult | thanks |
| 12:04.17 | Fear_cult | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig is what ive found |
| 12:04.36 | Grapsus | I think "fontconfig" will work |
| 12:04.52 | Fear_cult | commant not found |
| 12:04.53 | Grapsus | but to reconfigure it will regenerate the cache too |
| 12:04.54 | Fear_cult | command* |
| 12:05.20 | Grapsus | and "fc-cache"? |
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| 12:06.28 | Fear_cult | thats it |
| 12:06.29 | Fear_cult | fc-cache |
| 12:06.30 | Fear_cult | thanks |
| 12:06.38 | Fear_cult | reconfigre purges the fonts and readds them |
| 12:06.42 | shay | mnext |
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| 12:06.58 | Grapsus | and do you need to restart X after regenarating ? |
| 12:07.18 | Grapsus | (if I ever need to install fonts lol) |
| 12:07.38 | Fear_cult | i dont think so |
| 12:07.44 | Fear_cult | but thats still not working |
| 12:07.50 | Fear_cult | dont think i put it in the right place |
| 12:08.21 | Grapsus | il must be in the FontPath directive in xorg.conf I think |
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| 12:09.25 | Grapsus | Fear_cult, try "xset fp rehash" |
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| 12:11.19 | Fear_cult | hrm |
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| 12:11.33 | Fear_cult | i put it in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc aswell still nothing |
| 12:11.39 | Fear_cult | its not just for x |
| 12:11.45 | Fear_cult | im trying in oo.org aswell |
| 12:11.53 | Fear_cult | not showing up there and i have it in the proper dir for that |
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| 12:12.25 | Grapsus | doesn't oo have its own font path? |
| 12:12.38 | Grapsus | like /usr/share/fonts/openoffice ? |
| 12:12.45 | Fear_cult | yeah |
| 12:12.47 | Fear_cult | i put it there |
| 12:12.49 | Fear_cult | ok gedit found it |
| 12:12.54 | Fear_cult | but its all squares lol |
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| 12:13.04 | Fear_cult | i dunno if X likes ttf's |
| 12:13.05 | Grapsus | try to restart X maybe |
| 12:13.11 | Fear_cult | brb |
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| 12:14.15 | Grapsus | did you try "xset fp rehash"? |
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| 12:15.58 | Fear_cult | hrm |
| 12:16.04 | KaOS-bEat | hi, I want to remve all X-server related packages (beacus eI want my desktop to become my webserver, and i need all teh space there is) but when I do ap-get remove x11-common apt wants to install lots of extyra things instead of removing |
| 12:16.40 | Grapsus | KaOS, did you try to remove xserver-xorg ? |
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| 12:16.47 | KaOS-bEat | is there a better way to "convert" a desktop to a server? |
| 12:16.50 | Fear_cult | dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86 (if your stable if not) dpkg --purge xserver-xorg |
| 12:17.02 | KaOS-bEat | ok, i'll try that |
| 12:17.03 | Fear_cult | if apt-get remove xserver-pickonehere dosent work |
| 12:17.14 | kalessin | ls |
| 12:17.19 | kalessin | damn ^^ |
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| 12:17.42 | Grapsus | KaOS, If you're on debian testing it can be good idea to reinstall your system to debian stable... |
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| 12:18.47 | KaOS-bEat | Grapsus: : I remeber fiddleing wit /etc/apt/sources.list, so I do apt-get dist-upgrade after setting all my sources.list entrys back to stable? |
| 12:19.16 | Skiver | hi anyone familiar with traceroute command ? why is it when i traceroute a hostname, it always stops at my router's ip ?? |
| 12:19.22 | lakers | is there a way to have lilo pass on to the kernel to not mount/access swap space on boot? |
| 12:19.43 | Grapsus | I don't know if the dist downgrade works properly lol, I'vu never tried to pass from testing to stable |
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| 12:20.11 | KaOS-bEat | let's find out |
| 12:20.12 | Grapsus | you can try but if i were you i would reinstall my system to have a clean server |
| 12:20.13 | Fear_cult | you cant downgrade debian |
| 12:20.31 | Fear_cult | unless you feel like jumping through some serious flameing hoops |
| 12:20.45 | KaOS-bEat | Grapsus: system is already headless and keyboerdless, i jjsut have ssh-acces |
| 12:21.00 | Fear_cult | you running etch or sid? |
| 12:21.09 | KaOS-bEat | how do I find out? |
| 12:21.15 | KaOS-bEat | i think sid |
| 12:21.23 | KaOS-bEat | stable |
| 12:21.36 | KaOS-bEat | but I had unstable sources in my apt sources |
| 12:21.44 | KaOS-bEat | mixing isn't good huh |
| 12:21.53 | Grapsus | KaOS, grep -i "(sid|etch|sarge)" -o |
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| 12:22.02 | Grapsus | KaOS, grep -i "(sid|etch|sarge)" -o /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:22.29 | KaOS-bEat | sarge it is |
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| 12:23.14 | KaOS-bEat | I also tried base-config to switch back to webserver, but it crashes on not finding a package |
| 12:23.28 | Grapsus | ok, maybe you can try to remove x packges with dselect ? |
| 12:24.03 | Grapsus | it proposes many ways to solve dependencies |
| 12:24.24 | Fear_cult | i dunno man all these spinoffs mix distro packages |
| 12:24.30 | Fear_cult | i run streight up sid |
| 12:24.42 | signuts | What (if any) are the big differences between sid and week releases? |
| 12:24.46 | signuts | weekly* |
| 12:24.49 | KaOS-bEat | : The package xserver-xorg-video-ati needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 12:24.52 | KaOS-bEat | grrr |
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| 12:25.02 | KaOS-bEat | apt-get update doen't help |
| 12:25.09 | Fear_cult | its prolly not there anymore |
| 12:25.32 | Grapsus | KaOS, try "dpkg -r xserver-xorg-video-ati" |
| 12:25.38 | Grapsus | il will remove it |
| 12:25.48 | Fear_cult | or p for purge which deletes all its config files aswell |
| 12:25.52 | Grapsus | then correct the dependencies with "apt-get -f install" |
| 12:26.02 | KaOS-bEat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.03 | KaOS-bEat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.21 | KaOS-bEat | i'm having circular problems here :) |
| 12:26.32 | Fear_cult | haha |
| 12:26.35 | KaOS-bEat | i'd better erïnstall |
| 12:26.38 | KaOS-bEat | reinstall |
| 12:26.54 | KaOS-bEat | can i install debian without the need for boting a cdrom? |
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| 12:27.33 | KaOS-bEat | Fear_cult: I just switched back from gentoo to debian |
| 12:27.38 | Grapsus | KaOS try to force removing of x packages with dpkg then run apt-get -f install and it will remove all other x packages |
| 12:27.45 | aao_pwner | hmm |
| 12:27.48 | aao_pwner | whats a good webserver |
| 12:27.52 | Fear_cult | im a slack kiddie from back in the day |
| 12:28.02 | Fear_cult | apache |
| 12:28.02 | SlammerXP | aao_pwner: IIS |
| 12:28.05 | aao_pwner | ok |
| 12:28.10 | Fear_cult | IIS? thats win |
| 12:28.11 | aao_pwner | IIS |
| 12:28.11 | Fear_cult | isint it |
| 12:28.13 | aao_pwner | yes i was about yto say |
| 12:28.14 | aao_pwner | lol |
| 12:28.20 | aao_pwner | i wasl ike wait a miniute |
| 12:28.28 | Fear_cult | apache |
| 12:28.28 | SlammerXP | you didn't specify an OS |
| 12:28.34 | aao_pwner | MAIL server Fear_cult |
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| 12:28.38 | aao_pwner | SlammerXP FreeBSD |
| 12:28.43 | SlammerXP | Zeus is a good webserver |
| 12:28.44 | Grapsus | lol run ISS with wine :p |
| 12:28.46 | Fear_cult | you said webserver |
| 12:28.50 | aao_pwner | mailserver |
| 12:28.53 | aao_pwner | i ment |
| 12:28.55 | Fear_cult | mmkm |
| 12:28.55 | aao_pwner | i hcant think |
| 12:28.57 | aao_pwner | i run apache |
| 12:28.57 | aao_pwner | lol |
| 12:29.13 | Ronin | aao_pwner: mta? exim, postfix, qmail take your pick |
| 12:29.19 | aao_pwner | olk |
| 12:29.29 | Fear_cult | exim is standard i belive |
| 12:29.31 | Fear_cult | in debian |
| 12:29.34 | aao_pwner | postfix |
| 12:29.48 | Grapsus | postfix is better |
| 12:29.51 | Grapsus | :p |
| 12:29.56 | Ronin | to each thier own |
| 12:29.57 | r_marvin | i'd skip qmail, unless you have a special preference for it |
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| 12:30.28 | k31th | how can i remove postfix without removing mysql, i want to purge all the files and start a fresh iv messed up the config. |
| 12:30.35 | Ronin | r_marvin: ya stable secure, who wants that |
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| 12:30.46 | azeem | k31th: you probably cannot |
| 12:30.46 | jimi | does anyone know where i can get kernel source in deb base? |
| 12:31.05 | k31th | well thast just retarded |
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| 12:31.10 | r_marvin | Ronin: i'm a postfix fan, but i don't want to go into a flame about qmail now |
| 12:31.29 | azeem | k31th: the correct way is to just configure postfix correctly |
| 12:31.34 | r_marvin | i was just stating it's a bugger to maintain under debian |
| 12:31.48 | Ronin | who said anything about a flame war? |
| 12:32.03 | Grapsus | qmails isn't free and isn't compatible with unix filesystem hierarchy |
| 12:32.07 | azeem | k31th: actually, why is mysql being removed as well? |
| 12:32.07 | signuts | get off your jump to conclusions mat r_marvin |
| 12:32.09 | signuts | =) |
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| 12:33.44 | k31th | azeem: well i dont want it configured to use mysql any more |
| 12:33.57 | k31th | i dont know why its removing it other things are using mysql its retarded |
| 12:34.11 | azeem | k31th: what command are you running? |
| 12:34.19 | k31th | apt-get remove postfix |
| 12:34.56 | azeem | please paste the output to a pastebin |
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| 12:36.30 | jimi | how to use apt-get to install the kernel source? |
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| 12:36.42 | r_marvin | apt-get remove postfix-mysql postfix+ |
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| 12:37.08 | Grapsus | jimi, apt-get install kernel-source |
| 12:37.20 | Grapsus | or linux-source on testing i think |
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| 12:37.54 | Grapsus | it'll install it in /usr/src |
| 12:38.45 | k31th | azeem: http://paste.lisp.org/display/24232 |
| 12:40.00 | azeem | k31th: so mysql being removed is a secondary effect to the removal of the system mail transfer agent |
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| 12:40.12 | azeem | 11:32 < azeem> k31th: install another MTA |
| 12:40.18 | azeem | that was three hours ago |
| 12:40.54 | k31th | so i have to install another mta |
| 12:40.57 | k31th | for no reason |
| 12:41.01 | k31th | remove the other |
| 12:41.11 | k31th | then install the new one ? |
| 12:41.16 | azeem | k31th: the reason is that Unix system expect an MTA to be present |
| 12:41.29 | k31th | ca |
| 12:41.30 | azeem | k31th: you have to apt-get install new-mta old-mta- |
| 12:41.35 | azeem | the - at the end will remove your old one |
| 12:41.42 | k31th | can i purge postfix tho ? |
| 12:41.50 | azeem | hrm |
| 12:41.53 | azeem | add a * there I think |
| 12:42.02 | k31th | ok thanks man ill try that |
| 12:42.03 | azeem | apt-get install new-mta *old-mta- |
| 12:42.06 | azeem | something like that |
| 12:42.11 | azeem | k31th: check the apt-get manpage |
| 12:42.14 | k31th | ok |
| 12:42.24 | k31th | thank you for your help |
| 12:42.29 | azeem | cheers |
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| 12:46.26 | five0 | hi guys, is there a listing of tarballs needed in an nfs export for an installation of sarge. I've done installations in the past using the netinst cd, but this time round I'd like to try installing from a pxe-boot server. I've configured it (pxe-server) properly for debian boot, but I'd now like to specify an nfs share too |
| 12:46.52 | allefant | how can i disable the PID getting appended to core dump filenames? |
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| 12:48.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:48.06 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 12:55.20 | Hoxzer_ | what program would be good if I want to make my linuxPC a firewall |
| 12:55.32 | Hoxzer_ | Web interface is required |
| 12:55.35 | OllieD | private |
| 12:57.25 | five0 | where can i find a list of packages retrieved via apt during installation of a bare-bones sarge installation? |
| 12:57.25 | Hoxzer_ | what is the package name? |
| 12:57.33 | five0 | i'd like to create a local mirror for such installations |
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| 12:59.05 | fireba11 | five0: that question makes no sense |
| 12:59.32 | fluxdude | how do I change the max available memory in linux? I want to decrease it to speed up a test. |
| 12:59.46 | five0 | fireba11: pardon? |
| 13:00.12 | fireba11 | five0 if you do a basic sarge installation with netinstall no packages are downloaded at all |
| 13:00.37 | five0 | fireba11: this is via pxe |
| 13:00.48 | Hoxzer_ | OllieD: what is the package name of private? |
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| 13:00.50 | five0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.20 | azeem | five0: which tarballs? |
| 13:02.16 | intelikey | howto set dpkg so that apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't dl and install 70m of language packs that localepurge would then remove ???? i'm on dialup and 70m matters. |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | Hoxzer_: use iptables .. why in the world do you need a web interface? |
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| 13:03.19 | abrotman | fluxdude: you might be able to pass a parameter at boottime |
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| 13:05.27 | intelikey | is there a config some place that can do that ? |
| 13:05.54 | fluxdude | abrotman: yeah but I don't know what param yet... |
| 13:06.19 | peterS | intelikey: if languages are stored in separate packages, as they are with openoffice and texlive, you just ... don't install those packages |
| 13:06.32 | peterS | intelikey: usually they're all in one big package, and then you have no choice but to download none of it or all of it |
| 13:08.36 | intelikey | peterS none would be fine. but they are in seperate packages. problem is doing apt-get dist-upgrade i don't see any choice as to what it installs. i was hopping there was a config where i could blacklist language* or some other way. |
| 13:08.38 | intelikey | ? |
| 13:09.17 | naga44 | how do i find out which etch cd has ndiswrapper on it? |
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| 13:09.21 | peterS | intelikey: use aptitude rather than apt-get, and run it interactively. you can select and deselect individual packages, either for new installs or for upgrades. very flexible. |
| 13:09.24 | Hoxzer_ | abrotman: web interface is nice :) |
| 13:09.32 | mrec_ | what's the difference between the dbus-1 and dbus debian package? |
| 13:09.48 | intelikey | and takes for ever.... |
| 13:09.51 | mrec_ | debian would remove dbus-1 dbus-glib-1 libhal-storage0 libhal0, and install dbus dbus-1-utils |
| 13:09.59 | intelikey | like configuring a kernel |
| 13:10.19 | Katai | intelikey: hold the package that you don't want |
| 13:10.43 | intelikey | Katai hold ? |
| 13:10.49 | Katai | I usually hold it with aptitude and then I used apt-get normally |
| 13:10.51 | peterS | intelikey: it doesn't take any longer than finding those packages any other way. aptitude has a very sophisticated search mechanism. |
| 13:10.55 | intelikey | can i hold something that's not installed ? |
| 13:11.03 | Katai | intelikey: maybe ^^ |
| 13:11.04 | abrotman | Hoxzer_: just learn how to type |
| 13:11.08 | peterS | Katai: that doesn't sound very efficient. why not just use aptitude all the time? |
| 13:11.46 | intelikey | cause aptitude is a peace of crap imo. |
| 13:11.46 | abrotman | fluxdude: i think it's `mem=####M |
| 13:11.59 | abrotman | !tell intelikey about hold |
| 13:11.59 | jimi | how to use apt-get to install the kernel source? |
| 13:12.07 | Katai | peterS: I'm accustomed (I not sure if it's the word I want) to apt-get :S |
| 13:12.30 | peterS | Katai: and 'aptitude install foo' is... hard to adjust to? |
| 13:12.48 | peterS | intelikey: when you call something a "peace" of crap, please be prepared to list actual reasons |
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| 13:12.59 | abrotman | it has a GUI .. it's crap! |
| 13:13.00 | intelikey | abrotman ty. |
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| 13:13.27 | peterS | intelikey: I suppose you're talking about how it hogs memory and CPU, because I can't think of any other ways it isn't better than apt-get |
| 13:13.30 | Katai | peterS: no, that's not, I know aptitude resolve better dependencies problems and sometimes I used, buy I like using apt-get ^^ |
| 13:14.11 | intelikey | peterS i gave the reason. my opinion and when it comes to me admining my box my opinion out weighs everything else :) |
| 13:14.32 | intelikey | it the interface that i don't like |
| 13:14.38 | peterS | intelikey: so the word 'intel' in your nick is kind of like in the company of that name, it doesn't actually denote 'intelligence'. ok. |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | oh .. an uppity admin .. they deserve to be shot :) |
| 13:14.51 | intelikey | i didn't come in here to argue about a package manager. |
| 13:14.58 | abrotman | you started it! |
| 13:15.41 | peterS | you know, it would be a lot nicer if he could have just said "I am too inflexible to get used to aptitude" rather than "aptitude is a peace of crap imo" |
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| 13:16.40 | abrotman | i still don't usei t |
| 13:17.01 | abrotman | i was supposed to be replacing the HDD in my laptop .. and when i did that i was going to switch .. |
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| 13:17.55 | kbrooks | hi. |
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| 13:21.44 | peterS | I hope kbrooks enjoyed his stay |
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| 13:27.36 | abrotman | peterS: did you end up kicking that guy last night? |
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| 13:28.43 | FernandoM | Hello, i'm trying to set a postifx with smtp auth mail server on debian. But when i try to send an email i get warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied. What's wrong with this? |
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| 13:35.14 | peterS | abrotman: nah, he shut up. he chimed in one last time with something really stupid, but after that he apparently got bored |
| 13:35.28 | ppatzt | hi, is mysql5 already available for debian sarge? |
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| 13:35.51 | fireba11 | ppatzt: no and i seriously doubt it will be ever |
| 13:36.10 | ppatzt | y is that? |
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| 13:36.42 | ppatzt | fireba11: y is that? |
| 13:36.47 | fireba11 | ppatzt: because sarge only recieves updates, no completely new versions |
| 13:36.58 | fireba11 | ppatzt: etch got 4.1 and 5.0 though |
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| 13:37.17 | talisker[w] | I'm having some serious problems with installing the latest stable |
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| 13:37.46 | talisker[w] | apt won't work |
| 13:37.50 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:37.54 | pourriture | i feel sure there is a backport .... but then it isn't sarge anymore |
| 13:38.19 | talisker[w] | I'm getting whole lot of errors I can not read, but it's apt related |
| 13:38.39 | abrotman | there are mysql5 backports at backports.org |
| 13:38.53 | ppatzt | fireba11: is there any possibility to get mysql5 work on my debian sarge machine then? |
| 13:39.06 | abrotman | !tell ppatzt about backports |
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| 13:39.30 | ppatzt | abrotman: just read it |
| 13:39.38 | abrotman | ppatzt: and? |
| 13:39.43 | talisker[w] | I'm trying to use a net installation |
| 13:40.01 | fireba11 | ppatzt: yes, use backports.org |
| 13:40.03 | abrotman | define .. doesn't work |
| 13:40.30 | fireba11 | abrotman: at least he got apt's response to "won't work" right away :-) |
| 13:40.53 | talisker[w] | doesn't work = no packages delivered |
| 13:41.11 | talisker[w] | I choose, let's say, "install packages manually" |
| 13:41.21 | talisker[w] | and then I see a lot of errors I don't have the time to read |
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| 13:41.31 | abrotman | talisker[w]: you're going to have to give us more to go on .. like "I tried this command ___ and i thought it would ____ , but it _____ ... wtf" |
| 13:41.40 | pourriture | so you successfully connect to the server , but it refuses to send the packages? |
| 13:41.44 | talisker[w] | No command |
| 13:41.48 | talisker[w] | I'm still in the istaller phase |
| 13:42.01 | talisker[w] | pourriture I think so |
| 13:42.20 | talisker[w] | The installer tells me that "some of the packages weren't installed" |
| 13:42.26 | talisker[w] | when in fact, non of them get installed |
| 13:42.37 | talisker[w] | SOmething regarding the apt configuration |
| 13:42.39 | pourriture | that would be a 404 file not found thing most likely ... aot-get update would fix that |
| 13:42.46 | talisker[w] | Tried that |
| 13:42.49 | shay | abrotman, "it just doesnt work, wtf' |
| 13:42.50 | shay | :P |
| 13:42.58 | talisker[w] | actually, that's the only thing I thought of |
| 13:42.58 | crazy_penguin | Good afternoon all!:) |
| 13:43.07 | talisker[w] | but it carried no results |
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| 13:45.41 | talisker[w] | i THINK i ALSO TRIED APT-GET -F INSTALL |
| 13:45.43 | talisker[w] | ... |
| 13:45.46 | talisker[w] | sorry, caps lock |
| 13:46.23 | talisker[w] | Anyway, I have no idea even how to extract the error messages, since there are well hidden behind the interactive menus |
| 13:47.06 | talisker[w] | So I can't even be very specific about what's wrong |
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| 13:47.49 | ppatzt | abrotman: do i have to unistall the old version of mysql to install mysql5 then? |
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| 13:49.29 | talisker[w] | ehrrmm...? |
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| 13:49.47 | ppatzt | fireba11: do i have to unistall the old version of mysql to install mysql5 then? |
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| 13:50.03 | CyberMad | does kubuntu and ubuntu is xwindow version of debian? |
| 13:50.18 | talisker[w] | CyberMad, debian |
| 13:50.27 | talisker[w] | != ubuntu |
| 13:50.54 | CyberMad | but ubuntu similiar like debian.. |
| 13:51.14 | abrotman | ppatzt: probably a good idea |
| 13:51.20 | fyrestrtr | CyberMad: read the topic |
| 13:51.32 | CyberMad | fyrestrtr ok :) |
| 13:51.33 | talisker[w] | Let me try to be clearer - #debian != #ubuntu |
| 13:52.26 | talisker[w] | Ok, so I have no idea what the errors are, or how to see them... and I'm stuck with a half installed debian |
| 13:52.57 | talisker[w] | Could it be that something is fskced up with the testing installation? |
| 13:53.53 | ppatzt | abrotman: i need mysql-client-5.0 and mysql-server-5.0, do i need anything else, especially to let it work with php ... or can i leave the rest when it worked before |
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| 13:55.44 | abrotman | ppatzt: i'm sure dependency resolution will work .. read the instructions at backports.org |
| 13:56.16 | talisker[w] | Nothing about this in the eratta |
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| 13:57.49 | fireba11 | ppatzt: no .. you don't have to uninstall the old one |
| 13:59.15 | ppatzt | fireba11: what version is then used by e.g. PHP? |
| 14:00.29 | fireba11 | ppatzt: php connects the same way as bevore .. so either you use a non-default port or only got one version running ... |
| 14:00.54 | fireba11 | ppatzt: and i doubt that you can run two versions of mysql at the same time anyway without messign with it a lot |
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| 14:01.26 | talisker[w] | Anyone? I really want to have this system installed today |
| 14:01.28 | ist | http://ist.f2o.org |
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| 14:03.30 | ppatzt | fireba11: alright i see =) ... i think i got it now:) |
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| 14:06.07 | tarzeau | someone with opengl 3d driven x machine can test a package for me and send a mail it works/doesnt? |
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| 14:08.38 | talisker[w] | ok, I'm on the problematic machine now |
| 14:08.44 | talisker[w] | I aborted setup |
| 14:08.54 | talisker[w] | and I need someone to help me fix apt, and get back to base setup |
| 14:09.06 | talisker[w] | I'll repay with sexual favours |
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| 14:09.27 | talisker[w] | sorry, no more jokes |
| 14:09.29 | tarzeau | talisker[w]: you live where? |
| 14:09.35 | talisker[w] | Israel |
| 14:09.43 | SlammerXP | talisker[w]: the only sexual favour I'd ask of you is that you never breed. |
| 14:09.55 | talisker[w] | Fair enough |
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| 14:10.09 | talisker[w] | Now that I don't breed - can you help ne recover my system? |
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| 14:12.00 | talisker[w] | How do I run the base install program from a shell? |
| 14:12.36 | azeem | talisker[w]: which base install program? |
| 14:12.48 | talisker[w] | The second phase of the net install |
| 14:12.58 | talisker[w] | where you apt your system up |
| 14:13.29 | azeem | apt up your system NOW! |
| 14:13.40 | azeem | talisker[w]: which version of Debian are you running, and how did you install? |
| 14:13.52 | talisker[w] | I think the only way to get out of this situation is running it manually and redirect the errors to a log file |
| 14:13.57 | talisker[w] | I'm running testing |
| 14:14.10 | talisker[w] | I started a net install which got fscked up halfway through |
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| 14:14.34 | azeem | without specific error messages, this is hard to diagnose |
| 14:14.41 | talisker[w] | I have a base system, and a kernel, and apt, and that's about it |
| 14:14.57 | talisker[w] | azeem: that's my point, I'm trying to run the next stage manually and redirect the errors to a log |
| 14:15.07 | talisker[w] | I guess there is a better way, but I don't know it |
| 14:15.24 | azeem | there is no "next stage" |
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| 14:15.50 | talisker[w] | OK, there is this program in the installation that's supposed to install the packages for me |
| 14:16.05 | talisker[w] | so that I won't have to install hundreds of packages manually |
| 14:16.06 | talisker[w] | right? |
| 14:16.12 | abrotman | aptitude ? |
| 14:16.14 | abrotman | tasksel ? |
| 14:16.32 | talisker[w] | whatever loads after the first time you boot when you run a net install |
| 14:17.05 | abrotman | tasksel ? |
| 14:17.07 | talisker[w] | It's ont aptitude for sure, I don't think it's any sort of a package menagement tool |
| 14:17.15 | talisker[w] | I'll check that tastsel out a sec |
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| 14:17.55 | talisker[w] | yeah, that one |
| 14:18.53 | bas | I'd like to change the order of modules loaded with initrd. currently 3w-xxxx is loaded before ata_piix. As a result sda and sdb are swapped, ad the box hangs. |
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| 14:19.41 | talisker[w] | okay |
| 14:20.05 | talisker[w] | appearntly the setup utility has a hard time creating a valid sources.conf file |
| 14:20.07 | talisker[w] | thanks |
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| 14:24.31 | cr3 | if I connect a device to a computer, how can I determine the corresponding device under /dev? I have always found this a mystery |
| 14:25.00 | SlammerXP | cr3: dmesg will usually give you some ideas. |
| 14:25.11 | azeem | cr3: run dmesg or see kern.log and check the corresponding timestamp for information |
| 14:25.59 | cr3 | thanks for the tips |
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| 14:32.19 | enouf | bas: I'm not sure which script, if any, is responsible for module load timing - but if one is, you'd want to alteer the 'SXXScriptname' startup number ( the XX) - give it a lower numeric value -- but otherwise I'd think maybe you should check the /etc/modules file and perhaps place them in the order you desire |
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| 14:37.23 | stew | bas: what initrd creator was used? |
| 14:37.35 | stew | enouf: that's not how an initrd works (none that i've seen at least) |
| 14:38.58 | enouf | stew: ok ... I originally saw mkinitrd, and mkinitrd.conf but thought that would require a remaking of initrd ? |
| 14:39.26 | enouf | stew : I mean is that what would need to be done in this scenario ? |
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| 14:42.28 | stew | enouf: oh, where did you see mkinitrd? yes it would require remaking the initrd after making some configuration changes (or editing an existing one), (but nothing to do with SXXscriptname) |
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| 14:43.14 | enouf | stew: ok - in /etc/mkinitrd is where I found mine on Sid (2.6.16-2-686) |
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| 14:44.09 | enouf | stew inside that dir, is mkinitrd.conf and 'modules' (plain text), and also another dir called Scripts |
| 14:44.13 | bas | stew: mkinitrd (sarge) |
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| 14:47.23 | stew | bas: try listing them in the order you want them loaded in /etc/mkinitrd/modules ; then recreate your initrd with "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-$version $version" where $version is the exact version string which matches the directory name in /lib/modules |
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| 14:52.46 | bas | stew: the box is rebooting with the new initrd.. lets hope it comes back.. (or its a new trip to the colo) |
| 14:53.05 | xwizard | hi, i just installed debian derivative (!ubuntu). i'm not familiar with sysv init scrpits. where can i place my own script (it only does one echo) to run at boot time? |
| 14:53.15 | Ronin | xwizard: try #ubuntu |
| 14:53.21 | xwizard | it is not ubuntu |
| 14:53.26 | xwizard | i mentioned that |
| 14:53.34 | Ronin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.36 | abrotman | xwizard: read /etc/init.d/README .. and that's all the help you'll get :) |
| 14:53.42 | abrotman | Ronin: notice the ! |
| 14:53.46 | xwizard | "!" = not |
| 14:53.48 | xwizard | :/ |
| 14:53.49 | abrotman | xwizard: which derivative is it? |
| 14:53.52 | xwizard | elive |
| 14:53.55 | abrotman | so ask #elive |
| 14:54.00 | abrotman | wtf .. they have their own channel |
| 14:54.00 | Ronin | abrotman: im old, speak english, tehn try #elive |
| 14:54.02 | stew | bas: wait |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: take your boys with you |
| 14:54.10 | Ronin | damn kids and the short cuts |
| 14:54.13 | xwizard | hmm |
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| 14:54.34 | xwizard | :( but i need help with debian :) |
| 14:54.35 | Ronin | so ! mean not? humm |
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| 14:54.42 | stew | bas: you can double check the init script in the initrd before you reboot |
| 14:54.42 | abrotman | xwizard: elive IS NOT debian |
| 14:54.44 | Ronin | xwizard: but your not running debian |
| 14:54.46 | stew | bas: (if you haven't already) |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | Ronin: you're |
| 14:55.05 | Ronin | abrotman: ya ya ya |
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| 14:55.18 | peterS | xwizard: when you install debian, you can ask us questions |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | Ronin: so much for that speaking english thing |
| 14:55.30 | xwizard | :( |
| 14:55.44 | xwizard | according to docs it uses pure debian packages |
| 14:55.48 | Ronin | xwizard: just join #elive im sure they can answer all your questions |
| 14:55.49 | xwizard | only introduces e17 |
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| 14:55.54 | abrotman | xwizard: GO TO #elive |
| 14:55.59 | xwizard | thanks alot :( |
| 14:56.00 | peterS | xwizard: so long as you're just running gentoo, or elive, or vista, or netbsd, we aren't all that interested in helping you |
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| 14:56.07 | Ronin | abrotman: spelling mistakes are fine, heck im lucky i can type most days :) |
| 14:56.15 | abrotman | drunk |
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| 14:56.26 | Ronin | sometimes |
| 14:56.32 | bas | stew: thanks!!! its back online |
| 14:56.36 | peterS | xwizard: also, abrotman already answered your question |
| 14:56.43 | abrotman | i'm a nice guy like that |
| 14:56.53 | abrotman | remember that when it's time to elect the next DPL! |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | erm .. nevermind |
| 14:57.09 | xwizard | ok, thanks |
| 14:57.12 | xwizard | i'll read |
| 14:57.21 | peterS | abrotman: we'll remember when it's time to go to DC7 |
| 14:58.13 | abrotman | peterS: are you guys going to throw me off the plane? |
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| 15:02.48 | recon0 | Is anybody else having a problem with vavoom? |
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| 15:03.41 | chris_aby | hey.. I got a question.. atm, Im trying to compile a CVS of enlightenment DR17.. in the instructions is written to use "autogen.sh". what is this, how-to get it, and how-to use it? |
| 15:04.24 | Eulex | you should get it with the source |
| 15:04.44 | Eulex | ./autogen.sh --prefix=whatever && make && make install for every component |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | chris_aby: or ask #e |
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| 15:05.50 | chris_aby | abrotman: already in.. |
| 15:05.57 | chris_aby | was just confused, I'm sorry. |
| 15:06.07 | abrotman | !spin chris_aby |
| 15:06.12 | abrotman | eh .. oh well |
| 15:06.12 | chris_aby | there isn't already a relatively stable build available, is there? |
| 15:06.17 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 15:06.18 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 15:06.20 | recon0 | When I run vavoom, the walls keep changing textures. Any help? |
| 15:06.21 | abrotman | if they work |
| 15:06.31 | chris_aby | kay |
| 15:06.33 | chris_aby | thanks |
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| 15:06.48 | peterS | abrotman: no no. we'll make sure you're _on_ the plane. with the snakes. |
| 15:06.54 | signuts | I am trying to make my debian system completly sid. I keep getting messages like the following packages have been kept back: when trying to do an upgrade. To my understanding these packages should also be upgraded? Or No? |
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| 15:08.46 | chris_aby | is there another url where to get the sources? |
| 15:08.48 | abrotman | peterS: blank on a blank ? |
| 15:08.55 | chris_aby | ah..sorry |
| 15:08.56 | peterS | yes |
| 15:08.57 | chris_aby | wrong chan |
| 15:09.02 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 15:09.16 | abrotman | signuts: dist-upgrade |
| 15:09.19 | Ronin | signuts: sure you want sid? it does tend to break |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | signuts: /msg dpkg held back |
| 15:09.58 | signuts | Ronin, Not sure. I want a bit more bleeding edge than stable. That's all I know |
| 15:10.06 | signuts | Ronin, so I should probably move to testing ? |
| 15:10.21 | appelza | what is a regexp for numbers 0 to 255 ? |
| 15:10.50 | signuts | appelza, depends on the format of the numbers... you can't regex a range.. |
| 15:10.51 | abrotman | 000-255 or 0-255 |
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| 15:11.56 | appelza | I currently have ^\d{1,3} which says it must be either 1,2 or 3 digits, now I want to say it must be either 0 to 255 aswel |
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| 15:12.13 | Ronin | !tell signuts about stable->testing |
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| 15:12.44 | abrotman | sarge->etch |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | oh .. i think they both go the same place |
| 15:13.18 | recon0 | Is there any way to play flash 8 movies on debian? |
| 15:13.29 | abrotman | there is no flash8 fro linux .. complain to adobe |
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| 15:14.12 | recon0 | abrotman: maybe if i installed flash 8 & firefox in wine...? |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | then you'd want to ask #winehq :) |
| 15:14.39 | Dewi | recon0: I think I've heard people talking about doing that |
| 15:14.45 | Dewi | recon0: but I don't know anything concrete |
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| 15:15.03 | abrotman | or try gnash |
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| 15:15.45 | Dewi | hmm. I have 600mb of logs in this channel. |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:15.50 | Dewi | who knows what wisdom lurks within. |
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| 15:16.00 | abrotman | Dewi: i bet there's a lot of "!moo" |
| 15:16.05 | Dewi | abrotman: because I've been lurking here a long time |
| 15:16.13 | Dewi | abrotman: and I log everything |
| 15:16.17 | signuts | Where do I get mirrors to put into sources.list ? |
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| 15:16.24 | abrotman | lurking involves not talking .. |
| 15:16.26 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 15:16.27 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 15:16.48 | Dewi | abrotman: well I never! |
| 15:17.02 | Dewi | abrotman: I can take a hint, Mr Abrotman. |
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| 15:17.12 | nivanson | Hi there. Apt-pinning doesnt work for me in aptitude. It tells me there are tons of packages held back. Do I have to use apt-get for pinning? I wanted to take advantage of aptitudes "dependency"-installs |
| 15:17.12 | abrotman | Dewi: hehe ... |
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| 15:17.37 | abrotman | nivanson: you want to pin .. but not hold back? |
| 15:17.43 | Dewi | nivanson: hmm |
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| 15:17.50 | fluxdude | has anybody here used bonnie++? is sequential output reading or writing? |
| 15:18.07 | Dewi | nivanson: if you pin something to say, -1, aptitude will not install it unless you really push it |
| 15:18.58 | Dewi | but it will disobey a pin if it really needs to to complete your request |
| 15:19.29 | Dewi | I can't remember if it will install upgrades or not... I think it will not |
| 15:20.01 | nivanson | It seems it fixed itself now. Maybe I did a mistype somewhere... Thanks! =) |
| 15:20.03 | Dewi | nivanson: anyway, packages will generally be "held back" until you mark them for upgrade |
| 15:20.10 | abrotman | or specifically install them |
| 15:20.17 | nivanson | Nice =) Thanks |
| 15:20.57 | Dewi | I really do need sleep. |
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| 15:21.15 | kakarot | conoceis herramientas para testear discos duros ? |
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| 15:21.17 | Dewi | Also, I'm an evil troll. |
| 15:21.23 | azeem | !es |
| 15:21.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:22.33 | kakarot | sorry, i'm looking for hard disk partition recovery tools |
| 15:23.07 | kakarot | i lost a ntfs partition in a usb disk |
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| 15:23.41 | roym | Hi all - I can put my compaq presario laptop to sleep succesfully - but can't wake it up :( Am I missing a setting in my X Config file? |
| 15:23.50 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:23.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:23.58 | abrotman | kakarot: using debian? |
| 15:24.09 | zophyx_ | my grandfather was a lawman and so am i |
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| 15:25.13 | Ronin | good fo ryou zophyx_ |
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| 15:25.23 | abrotman | !shoot zophyx_ |
| 15:25.47 | kakarot | abrotman yes, i'm using debian |
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| 15:26.29 | abrotman | kakarot: what happened to your ntfs partition ? |
| 15:27.10 | zeroflag | stew, you there? |
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| 15:27.49 | kakarot | abrotman i don't know, windows can't read anything in disk and debian can see the partition but can't mount it |
| 15:28.08 | abrotman | kakarot: uh .. sounds corrupted |
| 15:28.31 | epsilon | is there somewhere a software-RAID 1 HOWTO for current Debian with 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:28.41 | Dewi | linux + usb + ntfs sounds like the beginning of a sad story |
| 15:28.42 | zophyx_ | i'm listening |
| 15:29.04 | abrotman | Dewi: might make a good BEDTIME STORY for you :) |
| 15:29.12 | Dewi | abrotman: nooooooooooooooooooooo. |
| 15:29.23 | Dewi | :) |
| 15:29.30 | kakarot | abrotman once i fix the same fail with testdisk, but now i can't |
| 15:29.48 | abrotman | Dewi: night :) |
| 15:29.59 | kakarot | test disk sais to me that there is an inpu/output error |
| 15:30.06 | abrotman | kakarot: i don't(and wouldn't) use NTFS on an external device |
| 15:30.49 | stew | zeroflag: yeah |
| 15:31.12 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 15:31.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 15:31.13 | kakarot | abrotman i know, but it was an easyly way to have the disk in windows too |
| 15:31.43 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:36.24 | zeroflag | stew: never mind, it seems my system fixed itself overnight. >_< |
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| 15:41.29 | iturk | hi there !! i can run eclipse from a shell because i have set the path for jre in .bashrc in my home directory !! But if i try to create an icon in my kde desktop that links to eclipse it says jre not found !! How can i set the environment varibles for being recognise by all the system ?? |
| 15:41.47 | abrotman | ask #kde .. or write a wrapper script |
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| 15:43.47 | bvs | check /etc/eclipse/java_home |
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| 15:45.04 | heyguysup | hello |
| 15:45.14 | talisker[w] | OK, I just installed xorg and the graphic server |
| 15:45.23 | talisker[w] | but when I log in all I see is a console |
| 15:45.37 | sdafajsfg | How do I load te disc controller for a Toshiba Satellite M40X during the installation? |
| 15:45.38 | talisker[w] | how do I set up a graphic session selector tool? |
| 15:45.41 | pdbogen | If anyone has any experience with VMWare Player (on Stable), can you give me some troubleshooting suggestions? The 'vmplayer' command doesn't do anything, whether or not it's provided the path to a .vmx. |
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| 15:46.10 | lontra | what's the lightess gnome? gnome-core? |
| 15:46.21 | lontra | gnome-base? |
| 15:46.28 | signuts | lontra, gnome is not light =) |
| 15:46.29 | azeem | gnome-core |
| 15:46.31 | talisker[w] | also, I have gnome install |
| 15:46.33 | sdafajsfg | talisker[w] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:46.34 | talisker[w] | how do I load it? |
| 15:46.37 | lontra | azeem: thanks |
| 15:46.48 | talisker[w] | don't you mean xserver-xorg? |
| 15:46.52 | talisker[w] | thanks anyway :) |
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| 15:47.33 | phaedrus44 | to get rid of islsm on startup do i just blacklist it? |
| 15:48.09 | joepa | does anyone know how to auto-identify on freenode using bitchx, other than using the nickserv access list? |
| 15:48.10 | talisker[w] | ... |
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| 15:48.24 | talisker[w] | sdafajsfg: it's not willing to do anything |
| 15:48.35 | heyguysup | can any of you suggest an mp3/flac player than can handle multiple audio outputs? I've used mpd (svn) in the past, and while it does what i want, i'm not particularly fond of using it on my sarge system |
| 15:48.51 | talisker[w] | it says: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 15:50.04 | talisker[w] | how do I initialize a gnome desktop? |
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| 15:50.36 | cahoot | heyguysup: any jack-compliant player - like aqualung? |
| 15:50.45 | mutante_ | Is there anything for Linux that could replace Windows "Volume Shadow Copy" feature |
| 15:50.56 | talisker[w] | aqualung my friend, don't you get away uneasy |
| 15:51.07 | heyguysup | cahoot: is jackd setup fairly trivial? |
| 15:51.09 | KermitTheFragger | mutante_, you mean like lvm ? |
| 15:51.14 | mutante_ | if i had that we would migrate a windows file server to linux |
| 15:51.19 | heyguysup | cahoot: i remember having problems with it in the past when setting up audacity |
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| 15:51.30 | talisker[w] | OK, I'll tell my story again |
| 15:51.32 | cahoot | heyguysup: good question - no good answer |
| 15:51.40 | talisker[w] | I started an expert testing net install |
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| 15:51.47 | talisker[w] | which went horribley wrong |
| 15:51.56 | heyguysup | cahoot: i'm particularly good at good questions |
| 15:51.58 | mutante_ | KermitTheFragger: hmm, would that allow rolling back files to older versions with a gui? |
| 15:52.05 | talisker[w] | I had to manually install my graphic server and desktop enviroments |
| 15:52.14 | talisker[w] | But now I have no idea how to initialize them |
| 15:52.18 | talisker[w] | startx gives me a console |
| 15:52.21 | KermitTheFragger | mutante_, no it doesnt do that, you can make snapshots of volumes |
| 15:52.27 | Ronin | talisker[w]: why did you pick expert then? ;) |
| 15:52.35 | Ronin | !tell talisker[w] about drxx |
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| 15:52.52 | KermitTheFragger | mutante_, rolling back on file level is more a filesystem thing, not really something for a volume manager |
| 15:52.53 | cahoot | heyguysup: I've a very limited experience of jackd - and only on etch |
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| 15:53.01 | talisker[w] | Ronin: usually expert doesn't mean you'd eventually have to do it all yourself |
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| 15:53.34 | talisker[w] | !tell talisker about xmd5 |
| 15:53.40 | mutante_ | KermitTheFragger: hmm, thanks, but my boss wants something thats exactly like the Windows GUI and allows rolling back files on file level :p |
| 15:53.58 | talisker[w] | Ronin: that didn't work, the bot suggested I |
| 15:54.16 | Ronin | talisker[w]: what exact error do you get on startx |
| 15:54.28 | talisker[w] | I don't |
| 15:54.41 | talisker[w] | Oh, I just love it when people answer me without reading the question |
| 15:54.55 | talisker[w] | I get a graphic server running, that's for sure |
| 15:54.59 | Ronin | <talisker[w]> startx gives me a console |
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| 15:55.03 | talisker[w] | but nothing more then a console |
| 15:55.16 | Ryengoth | mutatne_: Is your boss going to be using it? |
| 15:55.20 | talisker[w] | No DE/WM is set up by default |
| 15:55.25 | Ryengoth | mutante_ even |
| 15:55.33 | talisker[w] | well, they are set up, but they won't load |
| 15:55.35 | Ronin | and by the way i did read what you wrote, hence my question about what happens on startx |
| 15:55.40 | lllama | Evening all. Any reason why 'vim' and 'sudo vim' would run different versions? |
| 15:56.03 | talisker[w] | Is there some sort of a xwmconfig equivalent? |
| 15:56.16 | mutante_ | Ryengoth: hmm, i guess so ;) |
| 15:56.36 | talisker[w] | Ronin: it would have |
| 15:56.41 | talisker[w] | it's a long story |
| 15:56.56 | talisker[w] | but to make it short, the setup program is crap and I had to install al the packages manually |
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| 15:57.26 | talisker[w] | Whenever I tried to use tasksel, all I got was a humongous amount of errors from apt |
| 15:57.51 | talisker[w] | so the name of the package I'm looking for is xwindowsystem? |
| 15:58.13 | talisker[w] | nope, no such package |
| 15:59.09 | Ronin | !tell talisker[w] about search |
| 15:59.33 | Ronin | x-window-system-core or is it without the core, i go check |
| 15:59.47 | bvs | x-window-system/x-window-system-core in sarge and xorg in etch |
| 15:59.48 | Ronin | ahh theres both |
| 16:00.03 | Ronin | been so long since ive actually done it i forget |
| 16:00.17 | talisker[w] | so should I install xws or xws-core? |
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| 16:01.37 | talisker[w] | okie, I installed x-window-system |
| 16:01.53 | talisker[w] | But I still get nothing but a terminal when I load the x server |
| 16:01.56 | sleek | is there a way to find out what date a package was installed? |
| 16:02.11 | talisker[w] | Isn't there a way to launch gnome manually? |
| 16:02.11 | azeem | sleek: /var/log/dpkg.log, if you run testing or unstable |
| 16:02.27 | Ronin | talisker[w]: then did you follow the drxx instructions? and yes x will start by itself when your done if you wnat it to |
| 16:03.19 | talisker[w] | Ronin: 1) I have, and I already copied the error message I get, 2) I don't want X to start by itself, I want an enviroment to run with it whenever I run it |
| 16:03.21 | azeem | talisker[w]: http://nat.org/2005/october/#Keep-It-Simple-Stupid |
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| 16:03.42 | finrod | Does the sarge installer support autodetecting wireless cards during the install? |
| 16:04.00 | talisker[w] | damn... is there anyway to direct a link from irssi to elinks? |
| 16:04.15 | finrod | talisker[w]: openurl.pl |
| 16:04.24 | finrod | see irssi.org/scripts |
| 16:04.38 | talisker[w] | :) and how am I supposed to do that right now? |
| 16:05.05 | finrod | open elinks and type in irssi.org/scripts ;) |
| 16:05.17 | amphi | talisker[w]: just run gpm and copy 'n paste |
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| 16:05.49 | talisker[w] | gpm? |
| 16:06.03 | azeem | talisker[w]: apt-cache show gpm |
| 16:06.05 | azeem | or run screen |
| 16:06.07 | sleek | thanks azeem |
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| 16:06.22 | amphi | talisker[w]: "gpm - a cut and paste utility and mouse server for virtual consoles" |
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| 16:06.29 | talisker[w] | thanks |
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| 16:07.34 | finrod | Does sarge netinst include madwifi? |
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| 16:07.57 | recon0 | It would be cool if there was some tool that would automatically make a .tar.gz source into a debian package. |
| 16:09.01 | Ryengoth | mutante_: There are many volume managers out there, but picking apart a snapshot to pull one file is not good practice. If you can group files together, for one application, then you can create hourly/daily snapshots and "rollback" to them at any point. |
| 16:09.30 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, i don't want to discuss with you.. but thx, is very friendly |
| 16:10.06 | Ryengoth | mutante_: http://evms.sourceforge.net/gui_screen/ |
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| 16:11.31 | talisker[w] | ahhhh!!! |
| 16:11.40 | talisker[w] | gnome is not installed... that explains a lot |
| 16:11.50 | talisker[w] | anyway, thanks for the great link azeem |
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| 16:13.16 | lawnchair | can someone tell me why i could load a font in xtern but not rxvt |
| 16:13.25 | lawnchair | i believe it to be a freetype font. |
| 16:13.46 | Thanatermesis | and good debian day, btw |
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| 16:14.25 | ErZo | Thanatermesis: Debian-day? :o |
| 16:14.44 | Ronin | ErZo: debians birthday today |
| 16:14.47 | omry | liable: here? |
| 16:14.59 | af6 | I'm trying to install X with blackbox on a cmd-line system only.what do I have to do exactly to get everything going? |
| 16:15.05 | ErZo | Ronin: Oh, didn't know. :) How nice then, I was thinking of installing debian :-) |
| 16:15.40 | omry | got a problem setting up raid1 for a partition: after I booted the raid 'forgot' which partitions belongs where. |
| 16:16.11 | finrod | Is there a way of turning ubuntu into debian? Simply putting debian repositories into sources-list and dist-upgrading obviously doesn't work. |
| 16:16.26 | lunitik | af6: aptitude install x-window-system-core blackbox ; startx |
| 16:16.46 | Ronin | finrod: ya its called install debian from www.debian.org ;) |
| 16:16.46 | af6 | lunitik is startx an own package, aswell? |
| 16:17.03 | lunitik | af6: no... its a command that comes along with xbase-clients I believe |
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| 16:17.13 | af6 | lunitik okay thank you |
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| 16:17.31 | finrod | Ronin: That doesn't work, since the box I want to install on doesn't have a cable NIC and sarge doesn't come with madwifi :( |
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| 16:19.35 | Netcad | I have sound in gnome when I login using user1, but I don't have sound when I login using user2 |
| 16:21.00 | cahoot | Netcad: user2 not member of audio group? |
| 16:21.48 | recon0 | Does anybody know how to install the "GLBSP" package? I can't find it in any repository. |
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| 16:22.38 | Ryengoth | heh.. Outcast just crapped itself when I tried moving 11,000 items from one folder to another. |
| 16:23.33 | Ryengoth | Outlook |
| 16:23.50 | lunitik | Ryengoth: meh... and why you telling #debian about that? |
| 16:24.01 | Ryengoth | I think it's funny |
| 16:24.13 | lunitik | Ryengoth: its not... whats funny is you're using Windows |
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| 16:24.25 | deadcat | abrotman: abuot th comment on reading the exposure yesterday. no. i went out for a run. you guys bored me with the numbers (= |
| 16:24.32 | lunitik | And think #debian cares about that..... |
| 16:24.52 | Ryengoth | This is a corporate environment. I don't always have a choice. |
| 16:25.07 | Ryengoth | :/ |
| 16:25.14 | lunitik | Ryengoth: you have a choice about informing us ... |
| 16:25.39 | recon0 | Can anybody help me with GLBSP? |
| 16:25.43 | af6 | how can I set up a debian box to be connected through network from a windowsxp machine, running XWin and doing X through network? |
| 16:26.14 | lunitik | af6: umm... VNC client or rdesktop... |
| 16:26.36 | af6 | lunitik I can do that with SSH afaik but I dont know exactly |
| 16:26.38 | lunitik | af6: unless I don't understand your question, which is entirely possible |
| 16:26.51 | epsilon | how's rdesktop? I only worked with VNC so far... |
| 16:27.13 | lunitik | af6: rdesktop does rdp which is what remote desktop on windoze uses |
| 16:27.20 | g333k | Happy Bithday Debianitas ! |
| 16:27.27 | lunitik | af6: so thats your best bet |
| 16:27.31 | g333k | Birthday* |
| 16:27.36 | lunitik | g333k: yeah, I'm pretty sure that was yesterday |
| 16:28.02 | g333k | lunitik, what date/ time is in your country now? |
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| 16:28.37 | deadcat | is this gonna be another lame day where lamers come in a say happy birthday debian crap again?? shit this happens every freakin year |
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| 16:28.43 | lunitik | 9:30 AM, Wednesday, August 16 |
| 16:29.04 | Pat_ | bonjour a tous |
| 16:29.04 | lunitik | deadcat: apparently |
| 16:29.08 | lunitik | !fr |
| 16:29.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
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| 16:29.31 | lunitik | That's a lot of French |
| 16:30.30 | g333k | lunitik, So the WOrld Language is the english? |
| 16:30.43 | lunitik | g333k: yes |
| 16:31.24 | g333k | lunitik, lol |
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| 16:31.43 | lunitik | g333k: international language of business etc... |
| 16:31.57 | lunitik | g333k: language spoken by most people on earth... |
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| 16:32.08 | lunitik | g333k: I'm not trying to be funny... its a fact |
| 16:32.24 | finrod | Indeed, English is the lingua franca. |
| 16:32.45 | finrod | (Funny how English is the lingua franca, but the term for it is latin.) |
| 16:32.45 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:33.45 | Hydroxide | finrod: It's actually from Italian, from what I've heard, though the term would be the same in Latin |
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| 16:34.50 | slashzul | hey can u have more than 4 partitions on single drive? |
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| 16:34.59 | grzywacz | ... |
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| 16:36.40 | disposable | lunitik: sorry to dissapoint you but mandarin chinese is still by fat the most widely spoken language on this planet |
| 16:36.48 | Hydroxide | finrod, lunitik: It is from italian according to the OED, and it literally means "Frankish tongue". [The Franks were some of the first people in France.] Wikpedia has an article on "lingua franca" which connects the notion to the traditional role of French in diplomacy |
| 16:36.52 | disposable | s/fat/far |
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| 16:37.05 | Hydroxide | disposable: mandarin is spoken by the most people, but english is probably the most widely spoken |
| 16:37.27 | Hydroxide | (wide is a geographic term) |
| 16:37.54 | lunitik | disposable: that is why educated chinese people learned English since 1st grade or something silly? |
| 16:38.11 | Hydroxide | regardless, we should find some offtopic channel to continue this - it's not the purpose of #debian |
| 16:38.15 | crypt_ex | How do I make Debian not load up in PIC mode rather APIC, I dont want to change my BIOS due to dualbooting. To be able to run Debian I need to manually change the BIOS each time and set it to PIC rather than APIC....any suggestions? |
| 16:38.19 | disposable | lunitik: by 874 000 000 people afaik |
| 16:38.25 | lunitik | disposable: perhaps uneducated chinese people speak only mandarin, but it _is_ the language of business |
| 16:39.07 | elfoozo | Question on X resources as it relates to wallpapers... Does a 6 KB image set to tiled use more RAM to render than say a 200 KB centered image? |
| 16:39.21 | cahoot | crypt_ex: what kernel? |
| 16:39.33 | crypt_ex | 2.6.8.-2-k7 |
| 16:39.41 | crypt_ex | no sorry |
| 16:39.44 | crypt_ex | 2.6.15 |
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| 16:40.06 | lunitik | disposable: I take it you are Chinese? Yet you speak English... go figure |
| 16:40.25 | cahoot | crypt_ex: grep -i apic /boot/config-2.6.15 |
| 16:41.01 | crypt_ex | cahoot, there all set to y |
| 16:41.06 | disposable | lunitik: not everybody opposed to americans must be chinese/arabic </noflame> |
| 16:41.21 | crypt_ex | cahoot, do I n them all? |
| 16:41.37 | Hydroxide | disposable, lunitik: this discussion is getting quite offtopic for #debian. could you please continue it in some other channel or via /msg ? |
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| 16:41.54 | cahoot | crypt_ex: grep -i apic /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 16:42.29 | crypt_ex | cahoot, nothing |
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| 16:43.46 | cahoot | crypt_ex: seems you have apic enabled in kernel - do you have problems booting - any error msg relating to apic? |
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| 16:44.21 | crypt_ex | I do cahoot , I have to disable APIC and then it works fine. |
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| 16:44.34 | crypt_ex | it was complaining about IRQ errors |
| 16:44.43 | crypt_ex | which was strange |
| 16:44.58 | cahoot | crypt_ex: could try to just add noapic to the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 16:45.00 | crypt_ex | could reboot and write them down if your gonna be around? |
| 16:45.08 | crypt_ex | okay cahoot |
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| 16:45.31 | crypt_ex | do I just edit this file directly? |
| 16:45.43 | crypt_ex | not grub.conf then? :S |
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| 16:46.02 | cahoot | crypt_ex: grub.conf is gentooish - no? |
| 16:46.20 | crypt_ex | okay |
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| 16:46.48 | threw | HI ALL ! |
| 16:46.49 | lunitik | cahoot: most distro's symlink menu.lst to either /etc/grub.conf or /boot/grub/grub.conf ... some do both |
| 16:46.52 | threw | ops :) |
| 16:46.56 | albacker | is debian one CD distro or should i get lots of CD's ? |
| 16:46.56 | crypt_ex | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro noapic |
| 16:47.06 | crypt_ex | literally just add it to the end. |
| 16:47.21 | crypt_ex | will make a copy so I have a choice if it dont boot up |
| 16:47.22 | threw | i have a little problem with my debian: when i try to launch opengl appz, i get a "Couldn't find matching GLX visual". I watched my /var/log/xorg.0.log, and it seems that GLX cant be load because "a required submodule could not be loaded": it seems that glcore "cant be open".... : http://pastebin.ca/raw/134931. my xorg 7.0 config file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) is here : http://pastebin.ca/raw/134935 . could anyone help me please ? |
| 16:47.25 | cahoot | crypt_ex: yes |
| 16:47.30 | lunitik | cahoot: afaik, Debian is one of the only holdouts with that... |
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| 16:47.47 | deadcat | albacker: depends on what you want. you can get the 1 cd netinstall or all the packages in cd, which is like 8 or so. or 12. i dont remember |
| 16:47.52 | crypt_ex | okay, bbias |
| 16:48.40 | albacker | deadcat, what packages do i get in one CD? do i get X ? |
| 16:49.31 | lunitik | deadcat: sarge is 14 cd's I think |
| 16:49.37 | lunitik | deadcat: etch will be more |
| 16:49.52 | albacker | uhh, in cable connection it will be a pain in the ass. |
| 16:49.56 | deadcat | albacker: yes. the first cd has all the good softwares you need for X. like gnome or so i think. first cd is the 700mb one. not the netinstall. netinstall is very small because you get everything off the net as you install. which most of us prefer |
| 16:49.57 | lunitik | deadcat: woody was 8 I think |
| 16:50.17 | deadcat | lunitik: ah... i dont remember.. i just got like 8 when i started debian on woody. (= |
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| 16:50.32 | albacker | deadcat, can i have a link of the first CD .iso and it's apps if its possible? pleas? |
| 16:50.35 | albacker | please* |
| 16:50.45 | crypt_ex | thanks cahoot that worked |
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| 16:51.06 | lunitik | Never even entire CD1 ... just Netinst's |
| 16:51.28 | deadcat | albacker: debian.org i dont know the exact link |
| 16:51.32 | threw | anyone could help me please ? :) |
| 16:51.54 | albacker | deadcat, thanks. |
| 16:52.29 | lunitik | threw: maybe your card just doesn't support glx ? |
| 16:53.19 | lunitik | threw: ahh... nvidia card... not supported by debian... but how was it installed? debian way or nvidia way? |
| 16:54.10 | albacker | guys i know that you use debian but i'd ask something. since i use ubuntu. is it a good idea to switch to debian? |
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| 16:54.40 | lunitik | albacker: I don't know, is it? |
| 16:54.48 | af6 | how to install a common package for compiling under debian? |
| 16:54.48 | threw | lunitik: no i use several times 3D acceleration under linux... its just when i changed of kernel (i think): i did must (i dont remember of the english past of "must :( ) uninstall and the reinstall the nvidia driver (by the nvidia way) for the new kernel. then X boot up correctly but i couldnt launch my 3d appz... |
| 16:54.56 | lunitik | albacker: depends how much you like controlling your system |
| 16:54.56 | albacker | lunitik, that's why i asked. |
| 16:55.33 | lunitik | threw: the nvidia way is certainly not supported... |
| 16:55.37 | grogoreo | does anyone know of a repository for MySQL 5 other than having to switch to testing/unstable as I'm running stable now and don't want to change my whole system |
| 16:55.56 | lunitik | !tell threw about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 16:55.59 | deadcat | albacker: if you happy with ubuntu. no need to switch. |
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| 16:56.37 | deadcat | although i've seen a debian etch install with the [*] Desktop option selected.. very nice result. (= |
| 16:56.48 | lunitik | !tell grogoreo about ssb |
| 16:56.59 | albacker | deadcat, sometimes it looks like ubuntu is kinda slow, and why use a kid of debian when you have debian :S |
| 16:57.11 | lunitik | deadcat: boooooo |
| 16:57.35 | grogoreo | thanks lunitik |
| 16:57.35 | lunitik | albacker: no one here cares if you use Debian, we of course can't help you with Ubuntu issues |
| 16:57.51 | deadcat | albacker: exactly.. well ubuntu loads more stuff. just run ps or check the /etc/rc* dirs |
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| 16:58.08 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: eh? |
| 16:58.11 | albacker | lunitik, im not telling anyone to help me with ubuntu. i just wanted your staright opinion [if you have used ubuntu it would be better] |
| 16:58.16 | deadcat | lunitik: i've SEEN.. i dont install gnome on my system (= |
| 16:58.16 | abrotman | deadcat: oh |
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| 16:58.28 | lunitik | albacker: I've used Ubuntu... |
| 16:58.30 | abrotman | deadcat: in response to the run thing |
| 16:58.32 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, well, about the Elive stuff |
| 16:58.43 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: yes .. i know .. you don't want to discuss? |
| 16:59.07 | lunitik | albacker: my decision might not be the best decision for you... |
| 16:59.10 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, i don't want to discuss, and i understand your point of view |
| 16:59.16 | albacker | lunitik, how come ? |
| 16:59.30 | lunitik | albacker: what you men "how come"? |
| 16:59.31 | deadcat | abrotman: ya... been running alot |
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| 16:59.36 | lunitik | albacker: because you aren't me |
| 16:59.36 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: oh .. that they sohuldn't come here .. well yes |
| 16:59.42 | Muisje | How can i copy something to ftp? |
| 17:00.01 | deadcat | Muisje: copy |
| 17:00.05 | albacker | lunitik, you're righ there. but what did you find better from debian than ubuntu ? |
| 17:00.09 | Muisje | i tried cp but didn't let me |
| 17:00.12 | Muisje | i'll try just copy |
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| 17:00.35 | lunitik | albacker: being in control of my system... not fighting with Ubuntu configs to get it how I want |
| 17:00.47 | Muisje | coppy command unknown |
| 17:00.49 | Muisje | copy* |
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| 17:01.01 | lunitik | albacker: I used Kubuntu briefly, and their 'kubuntu-default-settings' is annoying as hell |
| 17:01.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: can you take a picture of the white tshirt and put it some where? my friend wants to see. i forgot to buy one for him. |
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| 17:01.43 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, well, he has just asked about how to works the init scripts on debian (he are from BSD)... and well, ok... i just want to you know to Elive is not Ubuntu, this is all |
| 17:02.06 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i know it's not .. it's also not debian |
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| 17:02.58 | lunitik | Although abrotman is correct |
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| 17:04.15 | lunitik | Stating the obvious to the person behind Elive is funny imo... he knows the Elive system better than anyone.... |
| 17:04.43 | Netcad | when I right-click on a link on xchat and click on "Open Link in Browser" , it uses Galeon. I want it to use FireFox. anyone have an idea on how to do that ? |
| 17:05.07 | Ronin | Netcad: somewhere in the xchat options im sure, hows that for a vague answer ;) |
| 17:05.15 | lunitik | Netcad: umm... set the default browser to Firefox... this isn't #xchat though |
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| 17:05.51 | Spec | Why would init all of a sudden take 99% CPU and stay taking it? |
| 17:06.10 | Spec | I am swapping memory, but not because of init. |
| 17:06.16 | jetscreamer | how do you get ldd to not recieve permission denied from /dev/null when you're in a chroot |
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| 17:07.20 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, in some part... is not really a distro "based" on debian... but is more a "customized debian", it uses the debian repositories by default, with Elive repositories on the same time, it works how a debian and it wants to are perfectly compatible with, also for the configurations, actualy it configure things how the graphical system via dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive |
| 17:07.53 | tuv | Netcad, gnome panel: Preferences -> Preferred applications, and set the browser to your preference there |
| 17:08.34 | lunitik | Thanatermesis: it uses custom repo... that are not part of Debian... become a DD and help maintain E17 in Debian. |
| 17:08.54 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: still not debian :) |
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| 17:09.09 | Ronin | abrotman: ever get tired of banging your head on that tune? :) |
| 17:09.13 | lunitik | Thanatermesis: until your packages are in Debian, its not Debian |
| 17:09.16 | Hydroxide | Thanatermesis, lunitik: I haven't been following the conversation, but it's also possible to help maintain packages in Debian even without becoming a DD (or before you become one). |
| 17:09.34 | abrotman | Ronin: it's like the merry-go-round .. but less throwing up |
| 17:09.43 | abrotman | !mentor |
| 17:09.43 | dpkg | well, mentor is i heard mentor is tarzeau's hero, and, also, the one mumbling to himself in the corner (stay away from him). He can't type. and he hates PDF files, especially badly written ones (hear that QDI!). The name is an ironic comment an his ability (or maybe yours) for the uninitiated. grammatically conscious. No, not the Hacker's Manifesto either. |
| 17:09.47 | abrotman | uhm |
| 17:09.48 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 17:09.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | there we go :) |
| 17:09.59 | lunitik | Hydroxide: well... yes... but maintaining your own repo, with packages that aren't in Debian... and calling the result Debian is not correct... |
| 17:10.02 | Hydroxide | Thanatermesis, lunitik: however, DDs will have to review and submit any uploads on your behalf to make sure they're trustworthy and comply with Debian policy. |
| 17:10.13 | Hydroxide | lunitik: quite right |
| 17:10.34 | Spec | It seems like my getty's aren't running/responding ... what can I do to restart/re-do what /etc/inittab does? |
| 17:11.00 | lunitik | Spec: reboot? |
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| 17:11.13 | Spec | lunitik: that's not a very good option |
| 17:11.27 | abrotman | kill -1 $(pidof init) ? |
| 17:11.31 | lunitik | Spec: init 1 then init 2 again? |
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| 17:11.47 | abrotman | see .. i can be taught! |
| 17:12.11 | Spec | uhh, killing init does what? |
| 17:12.17 | Spec | i thought killing init = crashing computer |
| 17:12.35 | lunitik | Spec: re-spawns init probably... |
| 17:12.40 | crypt_ex | I am having problems booting my win hdd, my first disk is Debian, and my second is a win install. However this is not loading, I am using this line in menu.lst root rootnoverify(hd1,0) |
| 17:13.00 | crypt_ex | but I dont think hd1,0 is the right drive. How can I tell for menu.lst? |
| 17:13.01 | Spec | abrotman: you know init is always PID 1 :p |
| 17:13.08 | abrotman | Spec: that's not the point! |
| 17:13.11 | Spec | hehe |
| 17:13.14 | abrotman | Spec: it's good practice |
| 17:13.17 | Spec | hehe |
| 17:13.24 | crypt_ex | The drive is hdb1 |
| 17:13.34 | jetscreamer | reser? |
| 17:13.38 | jetscreamer | reset |
| 17:13.46 | Spec | HUP |
| 17:14.11 | Spec | ok, i did it.... |
| 17:14.15 | Spec | init is taking up 99% |
| 17:14.19 | Spec | and my gettys are non-existant |
| 17:14.35 | Spec | (99.9% cpu) |
| 17:15.24 | cahoot | crypt_ex: what disks are listed in /boot/grub/device.map? |
| 17:15.25 | abrotman | lunitik: man kill |
| 17:16.00 | crypt_ex | cahoot, hd0 (which is this Debian install) and hd1 |
| 17:16.07 | abrotman | lunitik: man 7 signal |
| 17:16.28 | crypt_ex | I have just added makeactive to the line below, hopefully that will work? |
| 17:16.54 | crypt_ex | ah I supppose I need the word boot below that lot too |
| 17:17.11 | lunitik | abrotman: thank you |
| 17:17.11 | crypt_ex | gonna try this and see how I get on |
| 17:17.22 | jetscreamer | something about chainloader maybe |
| 17:17.38 | abrotman | lunitik: see .. you learned something :) |
| 17:17.53 | lunitik | abrotman: I learn something (almost) every day :d |
| 17:18.00 | lunitik | :D * |
| 17:18.09 | jetscreamer | one way to find out which is which is just type grub in a console and see what root (hd0,<tab> says |
| 17:18.10 | abrotman | lunitik: why don't you learn how to segment a <th> |
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| 17:18.19 | jetscreamer | then try hd1 |
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| 17:18.30 | lunitik | abrotman: a <th> ? |
| 17:18.33 | cahoot | jetscreamer: I think he left |
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| 17:18.47 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:18.58 | jetscreamer | :_ |
| 17:19.03 | jetscreamer | :| |
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| 17:19.55 | jetscreamer | i need a blank cd-r badly |
| 17:19.59 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 17:20.11 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, actually exist a person to maintain the e17 package for debian (in the future, of course), but e17 is not finished, not has any "stable release", is not posible to enter on debian for now |
| 17:20.11 | abrotman | lunitik: html |
| 17:20.22 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: it most certianly is |
| 17:20.24 | lunitik | abrotman: apparently DHTML has the same tag... |
| 17:20.30 | abrotman | duh |
| 17:20.38 | jetscreamer | !info e17 |
| 17:20.41 | Spec | 'ps aux |grep -i init' is showing my init to be in a state of: R (runnable?) and on my other machine (which is behaving normally), it's state is sleeping (S), what gives? :-/ |
| 17:20.53 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: there are many items in unstable/experimental that are packaged from cvs |
| 17:21.03 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 17:21.17 | abrotman | !info gaim sid |
| 17:21.19 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-5 (sid), Packaged size: 874 kB, Installed size: 2140 kB |
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| 17:21.23 | Thanatermesis | and why is not on the repositories, then ? |
| 17:21.36 | abrotman | because E devleopers are lazy? |
| 17:22.04 | lunitik | Thanatermesis: apply to maintain 'e17' in Sid... you'd be allowed probably, so long as you made sure you didn't break anything on 'enlightenment' |
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| 17:23.03 | lunitik | Which brings me back to... Elive is definitely not Debian |
| 17:23.29 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, the E developers only thing to made it better and better for now... don't think very about packaging and this stuff's, also the API change very times for make it better and put more features |
| 17:23.46 | jetscreamer | is e17 a crm? or am i thinking of some other e |
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| 17:24.07 | Thanatermesis | lunitik, Elive is actually based on ETCH |
| 17:24.11 | lunitik | jetscreamer: e17 is enlightement 0.17 |
| 17:24.15 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:24.18 | Ronin | and still not debian |
| 17:24.24 | jetscreamer | !info mambo |
| 17:24.32 | Spec | so ... any one else have any suggestions on what to do when init is f'd up and my gettys aren't respawning? |
| 17:24.35 | deadcat | theres a repo with e17 deb |
| 17:24.40 | jetscreamer | ahh i think i was thinking of e107 |
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| 17:24.47 | lunitik | deadcat: Thanatermesis probably maintains it |
| 17:24.56 | deadcat | ah |
| 17:24.59 | Spec | and could the reason init be messing up be a lack of memory? it seems unlikely |
| 17:25.10 | deadcat | #deb http://soulmachine.net/debian/ unstable/ |
| 17:25.23 | crypt_ex | cahoot, Grub just does not appear to load the win disk. This is my entries in menu.lst title Windows XP Media Centre; rootnoverify (hd1,0); makeactive; chainloader +1; boot |
| 17:25.24 | deadcat | ^^ e17 |
| 17:25.31 | lunitik | deadcat: ahh... I don't think that's Thanatermesis 's repo |
| 17:25.36 | abrotman | i heard e17 is slow and buggy .. and won't release until DNF |
| 17:25.40 | abrotman | until after DNF |
| 17:25.42 | lunitik | deadcat: Thanatermesis maintains Elive |
| 17:25.45 | jetscreamer | http://e107.org/news.php |
| 17:25.46 | deadcat | ah |
| 17:25.49 | jetscreamer | different |
| 17:26.07 | deadcat | you will NEVER gonna see e17 in debian. just like xgl and compiz |
| 17:26.11 | Thanatermesis | soulmachine is who i have say before... he make those debian pacakges since long time, and aparently are the future official e17 pacakages |
| 17:26.30 | lunitik | deadcat: why not? if they every actually release it... seems valid for Debian? |
| 17:26.52 | lunitik | deadcat: and why not Compiz? Xgl is crap, but Compiz is a window manager that implements pretty things... |
| 17:26.55 | deadcat | lunitik: i dont know. i am just impatient thats all. |
| 17:26.59 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, e17 is not slow, it works better than e16,i work with it on my 360 Mhz + 64 Mb of ram, but yes, IS buggy, because is in a hard development |
| 17:27.01 | Thanatermesis | state* |
| 17:27.18 | amphi | Thanatermesis: and has been for a decade ;) |
| 17:27.24 | lunitik | deadcat: Compiz and Xgl are not intertwined... AIGLX can work with Compiz too |
| 17:27.48 | deadcat | lunitik: ah.. cool AIGLX is coming soon |
| 17:28.08 | bashman | happy Debian day.! |
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| 17:28.11 | lunitik | deadcat: yes... 7.1 seems to be making it slowly into Sid |
| 17:28.11 | deadcat | lunitik: too bad i will never gonna use compiz. |
| 17:28.19 | deadcat | bashman: shut the f up.. geez what a lame bitch |
| 17:28.24 | jetscreamer | you will |
| 17:28.26 | lunitik | deadcat: me either... just saying |
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| 17:28.45 | roxville | hello :) |
| 17:28.47 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: SLOW .. CRAPPY! .. |
| 17:28.51 | abrotman | roxville: #elive |
| 17:28.53 | lunitik | deadcat: wow, you really don't like the Debian Birthday events huh... hahah |
| 17:28.56 | deadcat | jetscreamer: no i wont.. but i do hope the openbox guys will implement few functions from compiz though |
| 17:29.01 | Thanatermesis | <amphi> Thanatermesis: and has been for a decade ;) |
| 17:29.14 | Thanatermesis | true, i think to e17 is in development since 4-5 years |
| 17:29.18 | deadcat | lunitik: not the lamers /join #debian and happy bday crap. i KNOW. i dont need these fuck to tell me every 15min |
| 17:29.19 | roxville | i'm just here to apologize for an (apparently) VERY confused elive user.. xwizard, that was here earlier |
| 17:29.21 | abrotman | 4-5? |
| 17:29.27 | Thanatermesis | aparently 3 re-writed of the API, one complete |
| 17:29.32 | jetscreamer | !info zhchon |
| 17:29.36 | abrotman | roxville: no need to apolgize .. we tried to redirect ... he hatesus |
| 17:29.38 | abrotman | hates us |
| 17:29.50 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i think e16 was released in like 1998 |
| 17:29.54 | abrotman | erm .. 1999 |
| 17:29.59 | deadcat | lunitik: someone should put that on the topic so these guys will stfu about it. |
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| 17:30.06 | s0n1 | hi |
| 17:30.14 | roxville | yeah... well when you say that elive is an ubuntu derivative... be prepared to be hated back! :D |
| 17:30.20 | s0n1 | why i mount secundary disc in raid 1 ? |
| 17:30.25 | abrotman | roxville: we didn't say that |
| 17:30.29 | roxville | anyway abrotman thx :) |
| 17:30.29 | s0n1 | dev/hdd2 14 14595 117129915 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 17:30.30 | jetscreamer | i hate the /dev/yallchill factoid or whatever it was |
| 17:30.37 | abrotman | or .. i didn't |
| 17:30.41 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, yes, the last version stable of E is e16, and e17 continue in development since very time... what is bad ? |
| 17:30.43 | roxville | <abrotman> roxville: we didn't say that <- i know... HE said it |
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| 17:30.58 | s0n1 | mount /dev/hdd2 don't function |
| 17:30.59 | abrotman | roxville: oh ok |
| 17:31.00 | jetscreamer | the wir is very wir? |
| 17:31.05 | roxville | ok, that's all :) |
| 17:31.07 | TonyRad | I'm setting up an ftp with proftpd but I don't know how to set up users on it and lock them into directories.. I couldn't find info on users on the website either.. Any help? |
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| 17:31.12 | roxville | cheers |
| 17:31.17 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: ljlane released packages fro 0.16.0-2 in Oct 99 |
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| 17:31.17 | lunitik | !ops please put 'Yes its Debian's birthday, no you don't need to mention it in the channel' or similar into the topic |
| 17:31.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: lunitik complains about: please put 'Yes its Debian's birthday, no you don't need to mention it in the channel' or similar into the topic |
| 17:31.27 | abrotman | lunitik: don't do that |
| 17:31.31 | deadcat | lunitik: (= |
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| 17:31.43 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, i don't understand why you say to e17 is slow and crappy, is very fast and VERY light |
| 17:31.45 | abrotman | !lorez++ |
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| 17:31.59 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: i was joking |
| 17:32.00 | lunitik | Ugh, I was kicked for that? :/ |
| 17:32.00 | deadcat | lunitik: damn they showed no love |
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| 17:32.08 | abrotman | lunitik: yes .. of course you were .. you abused !ops |
| 17:32.26 | lunitik | abrotman: no I didn't... its annoying at least 2 people... |
| 17:32.34 | abrotman | yes you did |
| 17:32.47 | deadcat | i agree with lunitik |
| 17:33.00 | abrotman | you can both /part? :) |
| 17:33.06 | deadcat | and its just 1 message. and the ops can ignore if they please. |
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| 17:33.53 | lunitik | kicking me for finding it annoying isn't cool... explain to me why its not something for the topic sure... but don't kick me, that's annoying |
| 17:34.26 | deadcat | lunitik: the reason for kicking you was "yeah," |
| 17:34.26 | [Bart] | hi, is it possible to allow a Normal user to stop/start the network (without sudo) |
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| 17:34.33 | abrotman | lunitik: next time you see an op .. ask them nicely .. don't abuse the tool we use to report problems in the channel |
| 17:35.01 | abrotman | we have a hard enough time getting ops to respond without crying wolf |
| 17:35.08 | lunitik | abrotman: I used the tool we use to report problems in the channel to.... report problems I'm having with the channel... |
| 17:35.18 | deadcat | [Bart]: add suid to the commands maybe |
| 17:35.38 | Spec | So, I hear it's Debian's Birthday today, eh? |
| 17:35.41 | abrotman | where's caphuso ... |
| 17:35.58 | blondie | in my tummy |
| 17:36.04 | blondie | o.O |
| 17:36.04 | blondie | O.o |
| 17:36.09 | lunitik | abrotman: in my opinion you should be an op in here... you're always active, helpful... and would react in a timely mannor :d |
| 17:36.18 | deadcat | abrotman: hes sleeping with the fishes |
| 17:36.18 | abrotman | lunitik: there's a reason i'm not |
| 17:36.21 | heyguysup | suck up some more |
| 17:36.43 | abrotman | that has nothing to do with it |
| 17:36.45 | lunitik | abrotman: undoubtedly... but you'd make a better op than most... |
| 17:36.56 | Spec | heyguysup: alright! |
| 17:37.03 | abrotman | lunitik: those in charge disagree .. and i can't say i disagree with their opinion |
| 17:37.11 | abrotman | !suck heyguysup |
| 17:37.12 | amphi | !obn lunitik |
| 17:37.15 | lunitik | heyguysup: I'm sucking up by saying the current ops suck? |
| 17:37.18 | heyguysup | Spec: damn, i knew there were those of you who'd take it literally |
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| 17:37.24 | Spec | hehe |
| 17:37.26 | amphi | damn :( |
| 17:38.50 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, just for curiosity, what WM you use ? |
| 17:39.01 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: gnome/sawfish or blackbox |
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| 17:39.28 | blondie | abrotman: why sawfish instead of metacity? |
| 17:39.38 | heyguysup | sawfish was the bomb back in the day |
| 17:39.41 | heyguysup | actually, it still is |
| 17:39.50 | heyguysup | lightweight and configurable |
| 17:39.51 | Emiml | blondie: metacity? the trial/demo version of sawfish ? |
| 17:39.52 | lunitik | blondie: metacity is like the rest of gnome... lacks features |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | blondie: edge flipping |
| 17:40.02 | abrotman | otherwise i'd use metacity |
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| 17:40.32 | Thanatermesis | blondie, metacity is what give gnome slow and charged |
| 17:40.41 | lunitik | Emiml: sawfish succeeded enlightenment as gnome's window manager... before red hat got what they want... as usual |
| 17:40.46 | blondie | Thanatermesis: what? |
| 17:40.48 | blondie | abrotman: what? |
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| 17:40.55 | blondie | Emiml: what? |
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| 17:41.10 | abrotman | blondie: metacity doesn't have edge flipping |
| 17:41.10 | blondie | Emiml: metacity is the default WM with gnome |
| 17:41.15 | blondie | abrotman: what's edge flipping? |
| 17:41.23 | lunitik | blondie: doesn't mean it doesn't suck |
| 17:41.34 | Emiml | blondie: so what? it doens't change fact that it is crappy |
| 17:41.47 | blondie | lunitik: I just took you off ignore... don't start your anti-gnome crap again |
| 17:41.48 | abrotman | blondie: move a window to the edge of the space .. and the WM will flip to the next space |
| 17:41.57 | blondie | abrotman: oh right |
| 17:42.10 | blondie | Emiml: so you didn't seem to know what it was. |
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| 17:42.33 | lunitik | blondie: It's not an anti-gnome statement... its a 'metacity sucks' statement... I don't hate gnome... I just like having more control of my desktop than Gnome gives you... |
| 17:42.46 | abrotman | cause oyu can't figure it out |
| 17:42.53 | stew | can we stop? |
| 17:43.03 | lunitik | abrotman: oh I can... I'm not trying to have that conversation again though... |
| 17:43.05 | stew | why do we have to have this conversation every couple of days? |
| 17:43.11 | Z_Morek | I noticed that I got some strange failures on boot and when I go to see /var/log/boot it says nothing has been logged yet |
| 17:43.21 | Z_Morek | am I looking in the wrong place? |
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| 17:43.32 | abrotman | Z_Morek: dmesg , syslog, messages |
| 17:43.46 | Ronin | yumm nachos |
| 17:43.49 | stew | Z_Morek: also /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 17:43.49 | backz | how I use find to find files changed starting by a day? |
| 17:44.01 | stew | backz: "info find" |
| 17:44.12 | abrotman | and i thought i knew all the weird dpkg commands :) |
| 17:44.31 | abrotman | argh |
| 17:45.27 | Z_Morek | thanks |
| 17:46.22 | blondie | abrotman: and how do you get gnome to use sawfish? |
| 17:46.47 | abrotman | killall metacity && sawfish |
| 17:46.51 | abrotman | assuming sawfish is installed |
| 17:46.55 | lunitik | blondie: pkill nautilus ; sawfish and save session |
| 17:47.03 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:47.21 | blondie | lunitik: what about new sessions? |
| 17:47.26 | deadcat | lot of openbox users mix openbox with the xfce4 desktop.. very nice.. it seems... |
| 17:47.28 | lunitik | uhhh... s/nautilus/metacity/ hah |
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| 17:48.12 | lunitik | blondie: can also just remove metacity from Sessions utility, and add sawfish to it... but it will keep the session if you save it |
| 17:48.54 | Z_Morek | nfsd had a 90 second "grace period", is that normal? |
| 17:48.59 | Z_Morek | on boot |
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| 17:50.04 | lunitik | (System > Preferences > Sessions of course...) |
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| 17:50.12 | blondie | it breaks gnome Themes |
| 17:50.23 | blondie | can't change the window decorations anymore |
| 17:50.45 | lunitik | blondie: no... the theme manager just configures metacity... not broken, just not what its designed to do |
| 17:51.00 | abrotman | blondie: you need sawfish themes |
| 17:51.17 | blondie | fine, and how do you choose them when they're installed? |
| 17:51.26 | abrotman | you use the sawfish configuration tool |
| 17:51.33 | deadcat | just use compiz and the windowmanager with gnome |
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| 17:52.27 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: unfortunatly, my camera is dead |
| 17:52.37 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn what happen? out of bat? |
| 17:52.44 | deadcat | or the entire thing is dead? |
| 17:52.50 | gaut | are there any CAD applications for linux? |
| 17:52.59 | jetscreamer | yes apt-cache search cad |
| 17:53.02 | jetscreamer | qcad is one |
| 17:53.09 | jetscreamer | py-cad is another maybe |
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| 17:53.15 | blondie | abrotman: bah screw that |
| 17:53.17 | jetscreamer | or so i forget it's name |
| 17:53.19 | Flakk | Hello people, did anybody use the host-to-host USB link cables between two computers? I am trying one (between sarge and etch) and it does not work |
| 17:53.27 | jetscreamer | no idea if they're any good |
| 17:53.34 | abrotman | blondie: ok |
| 17:53.42 | jade | apt-cache search <pkg> doesn't tell me which version of the package it is offering. how can i find that out? |
| 17:53.44 | deadcat | Flakk: never heard of that |
| 17:53.52 | abrotman | jade: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 17:53.57 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <package> maybe |
| 17:53.58 | jade | thanks |
| 17:53.59 | deadcat | Flakk: kinna like firewire? |
| 17:54.31 | gaut | ok, thanks jetscreamer :) |
| 17:54.42 | Flakk | deadcat: no it s a cable with two USB ends. in principle it should be abls to exchange data between two machines |
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| 17:55.04 | deadcat | Flakk: HOW? you need some kind of protocol dont you? |
| 17:55.23 | abrotman | deadcat: it exists |
| 17:55.32 | deadcat | Flakk: i have one of those usb cable with 3 ends. is that mean i can exchange between 3 comp? |
| 17:55.33 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=USB+networking+linux&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 17:55.40 | deadcat | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:55.48 | blondie | Flakk: throw it away and get a network cable :P |
| 17:56.19 | Flakk | deadcat: take care since I have heard that some of them do not work (tis is presently the case of mine )) |
| 17:56.52 | deadcat | Flakk: where you get the doc to start on this? |
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| 17:57.47 | Flakk | blondie: why? it seems to me that the thing could work |
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| 17:58.08 | Flakk | deadcat: googling, but i don t remember the exact link |
| 17:58.13 | deadcat | o |
| 17:58.30 | Grapsus | I'm back! |
| 17:58.32 | deadcat | haha mopdprobe minidriver HAHAHHA |
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| 17:58.44 | blondie | Flakk: because network cables and cards are meant for networking, are faster, and work without faffing |
| 17:59.24 | Flakk | deadcat: i mean that the etch side recognizes the device, and sarge has a strange problem, as if some modules are not in the kernel |
| 17:59.36 | Flakk | sorry the last one was for blondie |
| 17:59.58 | blondie | Flakk: sarge has much older kernels than etch. |
| 17:59.58 | deadcat | Flakk: ah.. using the minidriver module right? or the usbnet ? |
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| 18:00.13 | Flakk | deadcat: usbnet |
| 18:00.15 | deadcat | ah |
| 18:00.27 | deadcat | Flakk: let me try now |
| 18:00.39 | Flakk | dc: go ahead |
| 18:00.44 | Grapsus | hey I'm making a little experiment, I have a secondary pc with Xubuntu dapper, and I wanted to remove xubuntu and install debian testing, but just for fun I replaced xubuntu 's sources.list with debian etch servers, let's see if it'll work! |
| 18:01.05 | blondie | haha |
| 18:01.25 | Grapsus | did someone do that? does it work? |
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| 18:02.11 | Flakk | deadcat: so? |
| 18:02.16 | Hoxzer | Lol, I was setting up firestarter firewall settings :D |
| 18:02.17 | Hoxzer | guess what |
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| 18:02.31 | Hoxzer | I was doing it via vnc guess did I lost my connection? |
| 18:02.56 | deadcat | Flakk: ah. maybe i need a REAL host to host cable. mine is just a usb cable with 2 male end. (= |
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| 18:03.33 | Flakk | dc: that is not good this cable shuld not work at all |
| 18:03.36 | Flakk | they prevent |
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| 18:03.52 | Flakk | deadcat: are u under sarge? |
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| 18:04.02 | deadcat | Flakk: sid |
| 18:04.06 | Flakk | oh |
| 18:04.06 | Grapsus | lol 700 packages to update 60 new and 20 to remove let's go :p |
| 18:04.11 | Flakk | ok |
| 18:04.31 | Flakk | i guess if i had 2 etches there would be no pb |
| 18:04.39 | deadcat | Flakk: it has to be http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/bafo.jpg something like this right? mine is just the cable without that thing in the middle |
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| 18:05.29 | Flakk | dc: exact |
| 18:06.05 | deadcat | ah |
| 18:06.10 | grogoreo | how can I remove any occurance of a file with apt? |
| 18:06.12 | abrotman | !be a tab barbie |
| 18:06.12 | dpkg | Aww, tab is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 18:06.16 | grogoreo | like configurations files etc? |
| 18:06.22 | deadcat | with firewire. you just need a cable. (= |
| 18:06.58 | deadcat | and the card for each machine.. well i guess usb is easier (= |
| 18:07.17 | Flakk | another question people: how does one upgrade from sarge to etch through the NET? is it difficult? long? |
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| 18:07.59 | deadcat | !tell Flakk about stable->testing |
| 18:08.03 | deadcat | easy |
| 18:08.34 | Flakk | deadcat: does it take much time? I am at 400 Kbits/sec |
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| 18:09.22 | deadcat | Flakk: that seems fast enough.. i dont know how fast is 400 Kbits/sec (= |
| 18:09.45 | Juzzy | 400k / 8 |
| 18:10.00 | Flakk | juzzy exact |
| 18:10.02 | Juzzy | 50k/s |
| 18:10.17 | deadcat | dont know. i have dsl which is 160k/s |
| 18:10.38 | Flakk | dc: and how long could it take with this speed? |
| 18:10.40 | satan | vote for me, because i am a genius. |
| 18:10.43 | deadcat | at least thats what wmnet shows so i dont know how fast 400Kbit/sec is |
| 18:11.07 | Flakk | satan: i vote for you |
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| 18:11.27 | deadcat | satan: i voted for you during the last election. you DIDNT win... what a disappointment. |
| 18:11.28 | Katai | Flakk: a few hours, depend the packages you have installed |
| 18:11.31 | Katai | satan: WTF ? |
| 18:11.52 | satan | Katai: :***** |
| 18:11.54 | Flakk | Katai I installed KDE in particular |
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| 18:12.15 | Doat | 10Mbit/s = 1.25MB/s *flex* |
| 18:12.36 | Katai | Flakk: with 512kbps/s it's take 2:30 hours (in my machine) |
| 18:13.27 | Flakk | katai: KDE included? |
| 18:13.28 | pdbogen | Speakeasy says I have about 20mbit up and down right now. |
| 18:13.47 | Katai | Flakk: I had gnome that time |
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| 18:15.00 | satan | Katai: becarefull, i am watching you! *muehehehehe |
| 18:15.28 | elein | I'm running an upgrade and it is failing on gdm. This leaves other things undone. I'm really a newbie w/debian. Any ideas to get past this error? |
| 18:15.44 | Z_Morek | yay a fellow debian nub |
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| 18:15.48 | Katai | satan: father ! |
| 18:16.07 | satan | Katai: mother! (?) |
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| 18:17.20 | elias_ | Is there user_xattr support in XFS? |
| 18:17.31 | elias_ | Same for ACL |
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| 18:18.45 | elein | no ideas on the gdm failure? It errors with a message about --configure and post install |
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| 18:19.35 | Flakk | deadcat: hmmm, i plugged both ends of my new cable to the same etch machine, but nothing happens. Well it recognizes the machine, and i can read the device, but what should I do afterwards?? what is the name of the progrm to launch? |
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| 18:24.07 | deadcat | Flakk: i have no clue. i thought you might know. |
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| 18:30.08 | Flakk | deadcat: assume you have an usb device that is a thing with a usb end. you want to make it work what would u do? |
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| 18:31.11 | LaoTseu | i want to take an orphan package, I know i must send an email to say it but what is the adress please ? |
| 18:31.20 | userek | is there any system service that might run find and sort with nobody user priveleges? |
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| 18:31.58 | userek | i found find running with nobody privelegs which is alerting |
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| 18:32.03 | deadcat | Flakk: does the device show up via ifconfig or something? i dont even know what to do.. if it does show up via ifconfig. set the to same network and ping |
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| 18:32.23 | userek | after killing that process there was sort with nobody priveleges |
| 18:32.51 | userek | so can this be the sign that my box has been compromised? |
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| 18:33.00 | deadcat | probably |
| 18:33.46 | zinx | sounds like it's probably the job that updates locatedb :/ |
| 18:33.56 | Flakk | deadcat: ifconfig gives "eth0" "lo" and "ppp0" |
| 18:33.56 | userek | ah |
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| 18:34.43 | userek | good then |
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| 18:35.31 | anamorphic | HUZZAH! |
| 18:35.52 | anamorphic | anyone up for a conversation? |
| 18:36.12 | userek | uhm |
| 18:36.28 | Flakk | deadcat: the funny thing is that "lsusb" recognizes the device |
| 18:36.33 | abrotman | anamorphic: wrong channel |
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| 18:36.46 | anamorphic | oo no, this is the right channel |
| 18:36.46 | Flakk | it says: bus, device, id , etc |
| 18:36.57 | Ronin | anamorphic: only if its a debian problem/conversation |
| 18:37.06 | anamorphic | well you see |
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| 18:37.25 | anamorphic | I have been unable to find a pack of little debby bars at my local market |
| 18:37.46 | anamorphic | quite a problem if I do say so myself |
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| 18:38.40 | anamorphic | any of you people like little Debby bars? |
| 18:38.51 | anamorphic | you do use debian afterall |
| 18:38.54 | anamorphic | bwahahaha |
| 18:38.58 | Ronin | anamorphic: go troll elsewhere |
| 18:39.10 | anamorphic | gufaw my friend |
| 18:39.12 | anamorphic | gufaw |
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| 18:40.10 | jelly | !ops anamorphic is trying hard to be an arse |
| 18:40.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jelly complains about: anamorphic is trying hard to be an arse |
| 18:40.12 | stew | anamorphic: please keep it on-topic. if you don't have anything debian related, please keep quiet or move on |
| 18:41.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:41.09 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:41.28 | anamorphic | !popcorn |
| 18:41.56 | anamorphic | !gufaw |
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| 18:42.08 | stew | anamorphic: please /msg the bot, or go to #debian-bots to play |
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| 18:43.42 | Flakk | one more questioni: i had an idea to install "hotplug" but had a warning: gnome will be removed. what does it mean? |
| 18:43.44 | anamorphic | yum yum |
| 18:43.55 | stew | !aq anamorphic |
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| 18:44.10 | stew | anamorphic: you have been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 18:46.31 | tuv | Flakk, i think udev does hotplug's work now |
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| 18:48.27 | tuv | Flakk, udev: Provides: hotplug |
| 18:48.58 | Flakk | tuv: but in principle, is it true that to have a hotplug I should remove gnome? |
| 18:49.00 | stew | Flakk: hotplug and udev conflict in testing (udev now provides hotplug functionality), so installing hotplug would want to remove udev and therefore gnome-volume-manager => gnome-desktop-environment => gnome would be removed |
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| 18:49.33 | stew | Flakk: if you have gnome you have udev which provides all of the functionality of hotplug, so there is no need to install hotplug |
| 18:49.58 | nimurphy | anyone got any good recommendations for ides? specifically for c |
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| 18:51.03 | Flakk | stew: ok, thanks. Actually my problem is to handle an USB device, wich does not start, I though hotplug could be of a help. Maybe you know how to handle this? it is an USB host-to-host link cable. |
| 18:51.38 | stew | Flakk: i didn't know host to host was possible with usb |
| 18:51.49 | tuv | Flakk, you need a special program (like a driver) to do host-to-host usb |
| 18:52.44 | Flakk | stew: the funny thing is that the cable IS recognised and there apparently IS a driver cgc_subset and it is loaded. But i just do not know how to start :))) |
| 18:52.54 | Flakk | tuv: do you know the program? |
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| 18:53.08 | tuv | nimurphy, i'd say emacs and eclipse, if you're willing to run eclipse (relatively high load) |
| 18:53.46 | tuv | Flakk, no, but did you do any searches? i just found htis: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ |
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| 18:54.20 | stew | Flakk: the driver gets loaded? does anything interesting show up in dmesg, or in ifconfig -a? |
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| 18:54.45 | Flakk | tuv: I read this, but they do not say how to swith on the darn machine :)) |
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| 18:55.29 | Ronin | window 12 |
| 18:55.31 | Ronin | crap |
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| 18:56.08 | Flakk | stew ifconfig -a give usb0 and usb1 |
| 18:56.28 | Flakk | stew: sprry for the question, but what sdhou ifconfig show in general? |
| 18:56.33 | nimurphy | tuv: hmm, haven't got around to using emacs yet... |
| 18:56.55 | nimurphy | tuv: used eclipse on win for a while, with java/tomcat |
| 18:57.08 | stew | Flakk: in that cause you could likely configure the usb0 interface as you normally would any other interface in /etc/network/interfaces then ifup usb0 (man interfaces) |
| 18:57.14 | Flakk | stew: aa, ok, well it shows 2 usb interfaces usb0 and usb1 |
| 18:57.30 | tuv | nimurphy, i use eclipse for c++. it's ok but puts on a lot of load and consumes lots of memory |
| 18:57.33 | stew | Flakk: "ifconfig -a" lists all known network interfaces, normally one would not see a usb0 or usb1 |
| 18:57.52 | Flakk | stew: so I would not see my USB mouse through ifconfig? |
| 18:58.05 | stew | Flakk: certainly not, only network interfaces |
| 18:58.25 | Flakk | ok, then it gives what it should since i plugged bth ends of this cable to 1 machine |
| 18:58.34 | tuv | Flakk, if you read the whole link i posted, you'd have did something like: ifconfig usb0 10.0.2.5 |
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| 18:59.20 | tuv | *done something like |
| 18:59.39 | Flakk | stew, tuv, ook 1 sec |
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| 19:00.11 | nimurphy | tuv: yeah that could be a prob. writing postgresql/postgis extensions. very transaction heavy, lots of data... |
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| 19:00.31 | dos000 | i am on sarge when i do apt-file search DB.php i get php4-pear as the package that has this file. now i installed php4-pear and doing dpkg -L tells me php4-pear does not contain that file ! |
| 19:00.50 | dos000 | what is going on ? |
| 19:01.04 | pdbogen | Did you do an apt-file update recently? |
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| 19:01.16 | dos000 | pdbogen, i did and redid ! |
| 19:01.25 | pdbogen | Eh. On Sid, DB.php seems to be in php-bb. |
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| 19:02.29 | dos000 | pdbogen, how do i know which repository a package is coming from ? |
| 19:02.44 | Flakk | stew: just one remark. this interface does not show up at "network-admin" is it normal? |
| 19:03.00 | dos000 | pdbogen, i have one repository apt-file is failing to get the contents.tar |
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| 19:04.31 | pdbogen | Remove the package form /var/cache/apt/archives and watch to see where it downloads from. |
| 19:04.34 | stew | Flakk: i don't know what network-admin is |
| 19:04.39 | k31th | Having problems with autoconfig on exim4 with debain this is wat is happening Restarting MTA: 2006-08-16 19:44:52 Exim configuration error in line 651 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | eh .. what's on line 651? |
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| 19:05.03 | k31th | here is the paste bin of the whole thing http://pastebin.ca/135151 |
| 19:05.20 | dos000 | pdbogen, i think the problem is that its fetching from that repository ... |
| 19:05.22 | abrotman | and have you asked #exim ? |
| 19:05.25 | k31th | abrotman: ^^ line 651 is in that pastebin |
| 19:05.28 | k31th | i did yes |
| 19:05.35 | Flakk | stew: this is a gnome token for configuring the network. I always use it to set up connections to the NET |
| 19:05.37 | k31th | this is to do with autoconf |
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| 19:05.43 | k31th | they said its deb specifi |
| 19:05.52 | dos000 | pdbogen, apt-file fails to load http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/stable/Contents-i386.gz |
| 19:06.25 | pdbogen | It seems like packages.dotdeb.org doesn't have the Contents file, then. |
| 19:06.27 | k31th | abrotman: no idea then ? |
| 19:06.30 | pdbogen | Not all of the repositories have it. |
| 19:06.36 | dos000 | pdbogen, ah ! |
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| 19:07.57 | k31th | take that as a no the abrotman |
| 19:07.59 | dos000 | pdbogen, now the problem is that php4-pear from dotdeb does not have DB.php ! |
| 19:08.42 | abrotman | k31th: i don't use exim |
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| 19:09.11 | abrotman | k31th: should there be a " on the end of the line ? |
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| 19:09.33 | abrotman | !punish k31th for naming his machines after southpark characters |
| 19:09.46 | k31th | lol |
| 19:09.50 | k31th | :D |
| 19:09.57 | stew | wow that was nicely parsed |
| 19:10.18 | k31th | abrotman: i did try tht i belive ill try it once more |
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| 19:11.01 | stew | ahh, its cmd: punish (.*?) for (.*?) |
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| 19:11.12 | ph00 | what's wrong about soutpark characters? before switching to ph00 because it's shorter I used the nickname kennymccormick and thought that was cool (well... *kinda* cool) |
| 19:11.21 | Sanguines | you tell me |
| 19:11.25 | pdbogen | dos000 : Try using the ftp.us.debian.org repository. It should have a contents file and the most up-to-date packages. |
| 19:11.35 | Flakk | tuv: thanks for the link, I did not have enough patience to fin the one you indicated. However I do not understad all of it. for example, why 10.0.2.5?? |
| 19:11.38 | k31th | when ever i put it at end of the line it just ignores wat i put |
| 19:11.44 | k31th | and drops me the same error |
| 19:11.50 | k31th | if i look at the file after this |
| 19:12.06 | k31th | it seems to have removed my changes... |
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| 19:12.54 | dos000 | i think the problem is that i need dotdeb to fetch mysql 5.0 but i do not know how to make only mysql downloadable from there. |
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| 19:13.10 | dos000 | pdbogen, it downloads php4-pear which i do not need |
| 19:14.21 | stew | dos000: don't use dotdeb, use backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 19:15.28 | dos000 | stew, thx for the info .. any insight why ? |
| 19:15.43 | dos000 | stew, something wrong with dotdeb ? |
| 19:16.31 | stew | dos000: yes, their packages are buggy and cause problems for lots of people. the backports.org packages are actually created by debian developers and have a much better chance of working |
| 19:17.06 | Flakk | tuv: one more strange thing. the recommended #ip addr show usb0 gives the answer: ip no such commend. what s happening? |
| 19:17.22 | dos000 | stew, pdbogen i appreciate your help |
| 19:17.30 | stew | Flakk: the ip binary is in the iproute pacakges |
| 19:17.38 | stew | s/s$// |
| 19:17.40 | Flakk | stew oh ok |
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| 19:21.10 | hjubal | hola * |
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| 19:24.52 | Flakk | stew: helas Ignoring unknown interface usb1=usb1. |
| 19:24.58 | Flakk | same for usb0 |
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| 19:25.32 | Flakk | I followed the configuring procedure suggested in the tuv's link that is ifcoonfig usb0 |
| 19:25.42 | Flakk | then ip addr show usb0 |
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| 19:27.50 | digit | hi all |
| 19:28.54 | Flakk | stew: wait, maybe I did it all wrong. what do u mean by "configurng intefaces"? |
| 19:29.00 | digit | I use debian testing beta3 with kernel 2.6.16-2-486 i have a big problem |
| 19:29.10 | digit | with rivafb |
| 19:29.12 | abrotman | big problem? |
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| 19:29.47 | digit | because it conflicts w/ nvidia |
| 19:30.12 | digit | how do I get access to my current kernel |
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| 19:31.14 | digit | I dont want to buld a new kenel i just want to disable the rivafb |
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| 19:31.44 | Katai | digit: rmmod or modprobe -r |
| 19:32.13 | digit | ill try that now |
| 19:32.41 | stew | Flakk: "man interfaces" |
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| 19:33.03 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 19:33.32 | ribnitz | Looking for an app that can recognise and tag audio files. |
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| 19:34.19 | xored | how to find out, which app is using port 21 / bind to port 21 right now. I cant start proftpd, cause the port is used |
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| 19:36.04 | digit | well the console says not found |
| 19:36.23 | stew | xored: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:37.08 | epsilon | netsat, lsof |
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| 19:40.52 | Marupa | hi, anyone here use audacity? I can't get it to recognize my sound card. |
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| 19:41.19 | xored | stew: hmm he shows there is nothing running, but when i start up i get the error : Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - warning: "ProFTPD" address/port (myoutip:21) already in use by "kilo075" |
| 19:41.32 | xored | stew: kil075 is the hostname of my server somehow |
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| 19:43.16 | Myagy | i have 2 running links from 2 isps, both of them running in different routing tables. can anyone please tell me how can i tell squid to go out through the second isp ? |
| 19:44.11 | stew | xored: "netstat -plant | grep :21" doesn't return anything? |
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| 19:46.01 | epsilon | probably another ftpd, proftpd instance or (x)inetd |
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| 19:46.55 | ribnitz | What would you use to mass rename/tag music files based on calculated signatures? |
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| 19:47.13 | opee2 | hey everyone |
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| 19:48.10 | opee2 | i need some help on copying ALL files from one machine to another? easy way to do this? |
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| 19:48.53 | ribnitz | opee2: rsync |
| 19:48.56 | ph00 | opee2 physically install both HDDs on one machine? |
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| 19:49.06 | ribnitz | opee2: or scp |
| 19:49.40 | Myagy | i have 2 running links from 2 isps, both of them running in different routing tables. can anyone please tell me how can i tell squid to go out through the second isp ? |
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| 19:49.56 | ph00 | hey we must have an exorcist here: "satan has left #debian" |
| 19:50.23 | Flakk | stew: a strange thing happens with this usb machine. ifconfig -a gives usb0 and usb1. however when I try the "network-tools" utility it does not list these as a valid network devices. what s going on? |
| 19:51.08 | stew | Flakk: like i said before, i don't know what network-tools is |
| 19:51.13 | opee2 | i dont think rsync will do password files etc? |
| 19:51.50 | Marupa | is there a way to get audacity to work with my soundcard? it's saying it can't use it. |
| 19:52.23 | Flakk | stew: this is another gnome utility I hoped it could help |
| 19:52.29 | Marupa | the error was: Error: Host error. |
| 19:53.02 | DocOC | opee2: why wouldn't it? |
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| 19:53.56 | sid | What is a web based email system I can install with Debian? |
| 19:53.58 | sid | Kind of like gmail. if possible |
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| 19:54.22 | cat | sid: try apt-cache search webmail |
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| 19:54.27 | DocOC | opee2: I used to run a network with over 30 servers on it that all needed the same chrooted passwd/shadow files. used rsync over ssh on an hourly basis. Worked perfectly. |
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| 19:55.07 | epsilon | RAID question: I have a box without RAID, on hda is Sarge, hdb is empty. Now I want to add both in RAID 1. My plan: create on hdb RAID1 with force, copy sarge to there, make bootable. Then boot from hdb and expand the RAID1 to hda. Is that OK? |
| 19:55.33 | fireba11 | epsilon: yes, ther are how-tos for that |
| 19:55.35 | opee2 | my situation is i have one machine that i am using as firewall for network and i want to replace and upgrade hardware |
| 19:56.14 | epsilon | fireba11: I know, I read various one and added the method, just wanted to make sure... one thing I'm unsure is the LILO configuration |
| 19:56.27 | DocOC | opee2: so, replacing the drives... |
| 19:58.24 | opee2 | in essence right |
| 19:59.10 | DocOC | opee2: rsync should work fine. rsync the entire drive over to a temporary directory on another server, it will take a while, but so will anything you do over the network. |
| 19:59.10 | fireba11 | epsilon: only did that once with grub ... |
| 19:59.53 | DocOC | opee2: you will need a boot-floppy or bootable cd, though so you can write lilo or grub to the mbr of the new drive. |
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| 20:00.43 | sid | cat: There are several webmail systems. I don't know which to pick. So I was hoping someone in here would recommend one. |
| 20:01.06 | fireba11 | sid: squirrelmail is nive |
| 20:01.08 | fireba11 | nice |
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| 20:01.33 | fireba11 | DocOC: rsync the whole drive ? he will rsnyc /proc that way ^^ |
| 20:01.40 | opee2 | DocOC I have already installed Debian on the destiation drive so i basically just want to move EVERYTHING to the same place on the new machine... |
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| 20:01.56 | cabaire | /msg/nickserv identify mp@freenode |
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| 20:02.05 | five0 | cabaire: thanks! |
| 20:02.24 | fireba11 | opee2: rsync user data ... and probably copy over /etc soemwhere for reference what your old settings were |
| 20:02.36 | DocOC | fireba11: yeah, well proc should be recreated. not really a problem. but not germain in this circumstance... |
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| 20:03.18 | fireba11 | DocOC: true just be careful what ou tell people .. someone might actually rsync / ... |
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| 20:04.26 | opee2 | humm okay.... |
| 20:04.50 | DocOC | opee2: define 'everything'. You would probably be fine just rsync'ing /etc as long as you have the same packages installed. |
| 20:04.54 | xbmodder_lappy | How can I provide RPC support (without modifying the Libc) |
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| 20:06.06 | DocOC | opee2: I mean, if it's just a firewall, you probably only have one user account... |
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| 20:06.29 | opee2 | true |
| 20:06.55 | DocOC | opee2: in fact, if all it is doing is firewall, why not just copy over your iptables script, and be done with it? |
| 20:07.16 | opee2 | actually i have less packages on the new macine.... i am getting a little more daring with Debian |
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| 20:07.43 | opee2 | well i am doing iptables, dansguardian, dhcp, squid |
| 20:08.12 | JordiGH | Hm. Can't boot into Debian after the base install. Grub loads, seemingly loads the kernel, but when initrd loads, the lappy reboots. Already fscked the filesystem. Any other clues? |
| 20:08.21 | sid | cat / fireba11 are there any web mail systems that use ajax? |
| 20:08.43 | fireba11 | sid no clue |
| 20:08.46 | DocOC | opee2: ok, so iptables script, squid configuration and /var/cache/squid maybe? |
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| 20:09.52 | fireba11 | sid i never used ajax |
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| 20:12.27 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 20:12.31 | Hoxzer | AArgh |
| 20:12.34 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 20:12.39 | Hoxzer | can somebody advice me how to setup linux server as firewall |
| 20:12.54 | Hoxzer | I have firestarer set to provide internet connection |
| 20:13.05 | Hoxzer | but I cannot get my both interfaces work in the same time |
| 20:13.08 | Hoxzer | it is really wierd |
| 20:13.15 | fireba11 | Hoxzer: learn how to use iptables .. that's about it |
| 20:13.15 | haga | is the 'cpu' included when you buy a 'barebone' system? |
| 20:13.16 | fireba11 | :-) |
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| 20:13.34 | fireba11 | haga: usually only mainboard ... but depends |
| 20:13.50 | stew | Hoxzer: are you trying to set more than one default gateway in the same routing table? |
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| 20:14.53 | Hoxzer | stew: I haven't set a gateway for the other connection |
| 20:15.25 | Hoxzer | so there is only one default gateway |
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| 20:15.26 | fireba11 | Hoxzer: how are you trying to set up those two interfaces then |
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| 20:15.48 | stew | Hoxzer: put the output of "iptables -L -n ; route -n" into a pastebin from when its NOT working |
| 20:16.02 | Hoxzer | hmm |
| 20:16.20 | Hoxzer | :D I'm ircing trought server |
| 20:16.29 | Hoxzer | lets see how can I do tis |
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| 20:17.10 | Hoxzer | s |
| 20:17.23 | stew | Hoxzer: you might as well add "ifconfig -a" while you are at it |
| 20:17.39 | JordiGH | Y'know how the EULA of an ignominous OS says you can return the software for a complete refund if you're not happy with it? Is is possible to evade the Windows tax when buying a new computer this way? |
| 20:17.46 | LinuxHelp | I've just done an apt-get dist-upgrade, (debs testing), and now whenever I start a wine application (wine 0.9.19) my screen goes black, and I get the error at the end of this log http://prototypejack.selfip.net/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:20.56 | DocOC | JordiGH: people have tried, and some have even been successful. |
| 20:23.22 | JordiGH | DocOC: This is the stuff of legends, isn't it? |
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| 20:25.14 | SN^Vampire | hello |
| 20:25.25 | DocOC | JordiGH: search on slashdot for stories related, I believe years ago there were several articles on the subject. |
| 20:25.32 | ph00 | I guess the only way of buying a computer without having to pay for windoze is buy pieces and biuld it yourself |
| 20:25.41 | ph00 | build |
| 20:25.57 | SpeedyG | yep |
| 20:26.18 | JordiGH | ph00: what about a lappy? |
| 20:26.25 | ph00 | but I heard *some* people did actually get the windows money back... I don't know any of them tho |
| 20:26.31 | haga | is the 'cpu' included when you buy a 'barebone' system? |
| 20:26.32 | ph00 | jordy: I hate lappys |
| 20:27.06 | JordiGH | ph00: I move around a lot. Lugging my box with me is starting to become a chore. The only thing I don't like about lappys is their keyboards. Uncomfortable for Emacs. :-/ |
| 20:27.08 | DocOC | LinuxHelp: man, 'caught signal 11' is not really going to help diagnose the problem. What about the wine log? |
| 20:27.09 | killown | ph00 don't sell a computer without windows? |
| 20:27.13 | fireba11 | ph00: it's not hard to find a box without software around here ... |
| 20:27.15 | ph00 | but I it must be possible to build those too, after all they are made out of computer parts as well |
| 20:27.40 | JordiGH | fireba11: It's fucking impossible here in .mx |
| 20:27.56 | ph00 | araound *where* here you buy the box with windoze already installed... but itr's often pirated versions you don't actually pay for |
| 20:28.05 | DocOC | JordiGH: there are several companies that sell lappies with various distributions of linux pre-installed or no os installed at all. |
| 20:28.14 | killown | yeah |
| 20:28.15 | haga | is the 'cpu' included when you buy a 'barebone' system? |
| 20:28.25 | Guerin | haga: it should be |
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| 20:28.32 | Guerin | if not, it's not even bare bones |
| 20:28.34 | fireba11 | JordiGH: poor you then .. it's simple here in .de ... also i build from parts most of the time |
| 20:28.49 | JordiGH | But for keyboard, I think I may have found the perfect solution: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/5a7f/ |
| 20:28.55 | Guerin | ibuy all my computers on trademe |
| 20:29.10 | fireba11 | JordiGH: Lenovo announced a thinkPad that's shipping with SUSEtoday :-) |
| 20:29.30 | JordiGH | SuSE would ship in .de ;-) |
| 20:29.40 | ph00 | where? here (southern EU) nobody will sell a pre-biult box without windoze. only way is build it yourself as I said. but that's *here*, different locations different rules |
| 20:29.51 | SN^Vampire | i'm using pptpconfig for VPN. when i have connect, i execute Firefox, and when i try go to, for example, google.com(or any other site) he write "look up google.com" and load it only in 2-3 minutes. What wrong with this ? |
| 20:29.59 | fireba11 | JordiGH: don't buy that .. i had one of those once .. can't type fast on it |
| 20:30.14 | JordiGH | fireball: Oh, really? Hm. :-/ |
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| 20:30.41 | fireba11 | ph00: germany .. you can get boxes without nay software if you try .. even notebooks |
| 20:31.11 | fireba11 | SN^Vampire: DNS lookup taking freakishly long probably |
| 20:31.18 | ph00 | ok, germany is not that far way after all, I could get one from there... if I was intrested n lappies |
| 20:31.26 | JordiGH | ph00: Where in southern EU? |
| 20:31.50 | ph00 | somewhere in between scandinavia and the middle east |
| 20:31.54 | JordiGH | fireball: So why can't you type quickly on the roll-up keyboard? The keys don't bounce back up quickly? |
| 20:32.10 | DocOC | ph00: dude, this is the information age. Order something online and have it shipped. |
| 20:32.11 | Guerin | in nz the market for small computer retailers which build systems to spec hasn't been completely eroded by dell and hp and acer |
| 20:32.14 | JordiGH | ph00: Greenland? (going the other way around) |
| 20:33.00 | ph00 | dococ yes, I would if I wanted to get a laptop /w out OS. but I don't need it, I ust asked out if curiosity |
| 20:33.07 | Guerin | so you can just ring up someone like quay computers and say "i want an ath64-4000 with a gig and a good mainboard, and I want it to be luinux-friendly" and they'll have it done the next day |
| 20:33.20 | fireba11 | JordiGH: exactly .. and far from precise too .. bought one once ... send it back two days later because it was no use |
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| 20:33.43 | JordiGH | fireball: What a shame. It seemed like such a good idea. :-/ |
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| 20:34.04 | JordiGH | I'm very picky about my keyboard. It must have a big backslash key and two ctrl keys in comfortable places. |
| 20:34.23 | pdbogen | I have an IBM Model M 1391401. |
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| 20:35.14 | fireba11 | JordiGH: i've seen foldable keyboards, those are good .. so you got 2 or 3 parts that you can fold up to put it in your pocket |
| 20:35.24 | JordiGH | pdbogen: Lucky you. I can't believe it's impossible to buy a keyboard without a Windows key on it. |
| 20:35.26 | ph00 | I can't get a keyboad with US alyout and bigger keys in local stores, I guess I'll have to go digital |
| 20:35.30 | JordiGH | fireba11: Ooh, where? |
| 20:35.34 | pdbogen | JordiGH : eBay. |
| 20:35.37 | fireba11 | JordiGH: can't remember |
| 20:35.37 | ph00 | layout |
| 20:36.10 | sid | JordiGH / fireba11 best keyboard every --> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/essential.htm |
| 20:36.15 | sid | s/every/ever |
| 20:36.30 | pdbogen | sid: There's way too much empty space on that. |
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| 20:37.17 | ph00 | anyone noticed how hard it is to get a keybord with a layout *other* than the standard local one in EU countries? I think that's stupid in a place that claims it want to get really united but where people still speak different languages: at leat the main layouts should be available everywhere |
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| 20:37.26 | DocOC | JordiGH: check out these: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/press-images.htm |
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| 20:38.23 | JordiGH | sid: I'd have to get used to those layouts. They probably *are* comfortable, but... |
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| 20:41.29 | JordiGH | sid: Where are the ctrl keys? I can't see them. It's all about the ctrl keys. I'd rather avoid remapping, if possible. :-) |
| 20:42.04 | DocOC | JordiGH: under your thumbs. |
| 20:42.32 | JordiGH | Wtf? |
| 20:42.38 | JordiGH | Circular file. |
| 20:42.49 | JordiGH | Thumbs are for the spacebar, dude. |
| 20:42.50 | sid | JordiGH: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images_large/kb_adv-wht1877x1024.tif |
| 20:43.00 | JordiGH | Large file. Slow connection. :-/ |
| 20:43.23 | sid | yea there are two control keys JordiGH |
| 20:43.26 | sid | And they're perfectly placed |
| 20:43.50 | JordiGH | Hmmm... |
| 20:44.00 | sid | A guy with that keyboard will destroy a person with a traditional keyboard as far as speed/productivity |
| 20:44.07 | fireba11 | sid i don'T think i like those .. |
| 20:44.08 | sid | That is the keyboard for a lot of programmers at google. |
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| 20:44.23 | JordiGH | sid: maybe, maybe... |
| 20:44.57 | nimurphy | hi, i want to use the rename command to rename all files ending with .html.en to end with html. i know nothing about perl, can anyone tell me the rename snytax to use? |
| 20:45.02 | fireba11 | sid if you switch to dvorak layout you are a lto faster too .. you seing a lot of people do that ? |
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| 20:45.22 | JordiGH | nimurphy: There's a KDE app that will do that... :-) |
| 20:45.29 | Guerin | nimurphy: rename -s '/s/html.en$/.html/' |
| 20:45.37 | Guerin | err |
| 20:45.40 | Guerin | lose the first / |
| 20:45.45 | Guerin | nimurphy: rename -s 's/html.en$/.html/' |
| 20:46.00 | Guerin | ah fuck |
| 20:46.05 | Guerin | i shouldn't do this pre-coffee |
| 20:46.12 | Guerin | that will get you two .s |
| 20:46.19 | sid | nimurphy: # find . -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/html.en/html/g' |
| 20:46.21 | JordiGH | Man, there's a rename command now? When did that happen? |
| 20:46.22 | Guerin | nimurphy: rename -s 's/.html.en$/.html/' |
| 20:46.24 | asg | !coffee Guerin |
| 20:46.28 | Guerin | JordiGH: it's just a perl script |
| 20:46.35 | SN^Vampire | fireba11, in winXP this connection work in 2 time fast |
| 20:46.47 | streuner | asg: that's what he doesn't need :-) |
| 20:46.51 | streuner | !wine Guerin |
| 20:46.51 | fireba11 | SN^Vampire: ew, what ? |
| 20:46.56 | Guerin | coffeeeee! |
| 20:46.58 | SN^Vampire | i'm using pptpconfig for VPN. when i have connect, i execute Firefox, and when i try go to, for example, google.com(or any other site) he write "look up google.com" and load it only in 2-3 minutes. What wrong with this ? |
| 20:47.00 | streuner | haha |
| 20:47.02 | asg | streuner: coffee first, then the wine |
| 20:47.04 | nimurphy | Guerin: rename didn't like -s |
| 20:47.06 | fireba11 | !coffee guerin |
| 20:47.14 | Guerin | nimurphy: oh |
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| 20:47.22 | Guerin | nimurphy: man, i must be really stupid today |
| 20:47.34 | DocOC | should I give the bash for-loop variant, or do we have enough? |
| 20:48.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:48.01 | fireba11 | SN^Vampire: does itload that long or does DNS lookup take that long ? |
| 20:48.01 | sid | nimurphy: # find . -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/html.en/html/g' |
| 20:48.04 | nimurphy | Guerin: i've been doing stoopid things all day |
| 20:48.09 | Guerin | well |
| 20:48.16 | Guerin | it's not yet 0900 here |
| 20:48.18 | JordiGH | Maybe a version with awk too. |
| 20:48.30 | Guerin | so i've not really starte doff in the right way |
| 20:48.44 | DocOC | well, I was going to use sed, but awk would be more obscure. |
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| 20:49.01 | streuner | Guerin: did you see liable's gallery? |
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| 20:49.02 | DocOC | and of course, obscurity is the goal. |
| 20:49.33 | SN^Vampire | fireba11, how can i now that? |
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| 20:49.58 | Guerin | streuner: nope |
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| 20:50.17 | streuner | Guerin: short.dyndns.org/gallery |
| 20:50.21 | fireba11 | SN^Vampire: try a manual DNS query for example |
| 20:50.51 | DocOC | JordiGH: like 'metasticize'? |
| 20:50.56 | nimurphy | sid: what can i add to that to overwrite existing files? |
| 20:50.59 | Guerin | why are all australian places named after girls? |
| 20:51.08 | jdhore1986 | I LOVE DEBIAN |
| 20:51.16 | jdhore1986 | sorry...had to put that out there |
| 20:51.32 | streuner | Guerin: well, i wondered myself what are those names good for :-) |
| 20:51.33 | DocOC | jbalcomb: you're all alone in that one. We all hate it. |
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| 20:52.02 | jdhore1986 | lol |
| 20:52.04 | JordiGH | DocOC: Rhymes with "opacity". |
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| 20:52.43 | DocOC | bah, sawfish was a better default window manager for gnome. |
| 20:52.55 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 20:52.55 | dpkg | GNUStep: be different. |
| 20:53.21 | DocOC | !start an editor war |
| 20:53.21 | dpkg | vim bites |
| 20:53.42 | JordiGH | dpkg: You said it! |
| 20:53.51 | jdhore1986 | i'm not going to argue with that one |
| 20:54.07 | DocOC | !start an editor war |
| 20:54.07 | dpkg | zile users can't think straight |
| 20:54.33 | jdhore1986 | i like me some nano...like the uber-sexy ipod...lol |
| 20:54.40 | DocOC | hmm, anyone even have any strong feelings about zile? |
| 20:55.05 | JordiGH | !info zile |
| 20:55.17 | dpkg | zile: (very small emacs-like editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.2.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
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| 20:55.30 | JordiGH | Ooh. If it's emacs-like, it can't be all that bad. |
| 20:55.33 | jdhore1986 | !info nano |
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| 20:55.39 | dpkg | nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is important. Version: 1.3.12-2 (sid), Packaged size: 485 kB, Installed size: 1232 kB |
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| 20:55.49 | jdhore1986 | hmm |
| 20:56.06 | JordiGH | Oh, someone was asking me about pine. Pine isn't free, is it? |
| 20:56.07 | DocOC | what? nano is 'important'? |
| 20:56.28 | deadcat | pine is NOT free |
| 20:56.29 | Guerin | no |
| 20:56.31 | JordiGH | DocOC: Nano is the default editor in Debian. :-/ |
| 20:56.33 | stew | JordiGH: not as far as debian is concerned |
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| 20:56.44 | Guerin | hence why it should be called 'PINF' |
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| 20:56.53 | JordiGH | Guerin: Eh? |
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| 20:57.14 | Guerin | JordiGH: pine is not elm^Wfree |
| 20:57.25 | jdhore1986 | i use Nano in every *nix distro i do work in...including FreeBSD |
| 20:57.26 | streuner | !pine |
| 20:57.26 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 20:57.32 | DocOC | JordiGH: you have got to be kidding? |
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| 20:58.09 | JordiGH | DocOC: No, try it. /usr/bin/editor is a symlink to nano. |
| 20:58.38 | DocOC | JordiGH: not on my system. I know how to manhandle update-alternatives. |
| 20:58.40 | streuner | Guerin: what do you think about? |
| 20:58.56 | JordiGH | DocOC: Well, so you messed around with the default. *shrug* |
| 20:59.02 | streuner | Guerin: (gallery) |
| 20:59.05 | jdhore1986 | about half this stuff is going way over my head... |
| 20:59.09 | DocOC | anyway, this system has had debian on it since before the existence of nano. |
| 20:59.20 | JordiGH | jdhore1986: What stuff? |
| 21:00.02 | jdhore1986 | just some of this talk...i'm quite a bit of a Linux n00b |
| 21:00.03 | Guerin | streuner: australia sure has some pretty scenery |
| 21:00.14 | JordiGH | So anyways, no clue on my Debianisation of this lappy? Why is it rebooting when it's trying to load Linux? |
| 21:00.55 | JordiGH | I think it still thinks it's a Windows machine. :-/ |
| 21:00.55 | streuner | Guerin: yes |
| 21:01.16 | lunitik | JordiGH: Defaults are there to be customized ;) |
| 21:01.19 | Guerin | JordiGH: does it have one of those stupid TC systems on it? |
| 21:01.25 | DocOC | JordiGH: does it get anywhere beyond the boot-loader? |
| 21:01.29 | Guerin | my stinkpad has one, happily off by default |
| 21:01.52 | JordiGH | DocOC: No. After I select an option in the GRUB menu, I see a few GRUB commands, and reboot. |
| 21:02.02 | JordiGH | Guerin: Maybe. What's a stupid TC system? |
| 21:02.03 | pdbogen | TC? |
| 21:02.06 | Guerin | try writing a manual grul line and see what happen |
| 21:02.17 | JordiGH | Guerin: Kay, will try... on sec. |
| 21:02.18 | JordiGH | one |
| 21:02.26 | streuner | Guerin: some world travler wrote in a school book, he saw many countries, but he love .nz, because it has moutains and sea. |
| 21:02.29 | Guerin | Tr(eacherous|ustworthy) Computing |
| 21:02.33 | DocOC | JordiGH: have you tried booting to a boot-floppy and seeing if you can mount the root filesystem? |
| 21:02.34 | pdbogen | Ah. |
| 21:02.39 | crazy_penguin | Good night and sleep well everyone! :) |
| 21:02.49 | erichapkido | How do I get Real Player 10 to have sound? |
| 21:02.58 | streuner | Guerin: for him its the most beautiful country |
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| 21:03.05 | JordiGH | DocOC: I can fsck it from Knoppix. I didn't try mounting it. |
| 21:03.07 | Guerin | streuner: lots of people say that. |
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| 21:03.44 | DocOC | JordiGH: mount it, check out the grub config and make sure it is set up to use initrd... |
| 21:04.01 | DocOC | (assuming you have a debian-created kernel image. |
| 21:04.07 | JordiGH | DocOC: Kay... after I try some grub commands. |
| 21:04.17 | JordiGH | DocOC: Yep, except it's old. I'm trying to use a 2004 CD. :-/ |
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| 21:04.49 | DocOC | JordiGH: yeah, why not just get the sarge or etch netinstall floppies and fresh install a recent system? |
| 21:04.55 | Guerin | regardless, it should halt gracefully, not reboot |
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| 21:05.20 | JordiGH | DocOC: Terrible net connection here in .mx |
| 21:05.34 | PumpkinPie | is anyone in here capable of downloading at 80+ megabits? |
| 21:05.47 | threw | seconds ?! |
| 21:05.50 | JordiGH | DocOC: I prefer to get as far as loading a desktop from this old cd. |
| 21:05.51 | Guerin | <sob> not any more |
| 21:05.56 | DocOC | the only reason I can think if it rebooting and not getting any kernel messages is if it is not setup to load ramdisk, or if it can't find the ramdisk. |
| 21:05.59 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 21:05.59 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. nope, Guerin no longer has fast internet because he's moved back to civilisation. Now he's back on dialup like the rest of the peasants. |
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| 21:06.45 | PumpkinPie | :( |
| 21:06.45 | DocOC | PumpkinPie: man, I wish. 8mbit/sec, though. |
| 21:06.55 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 21:06.56 | JordiGH | I wish I had dialup. That would be faster than what I have now. :-/ |
| 21:07.01 | PumpkinPie | anyone with a dedicated server should be able to do 80 megabits |
| 21:07.04 | PumpkinPie | does anyone have one? |
| 21:07.12 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: why? |
| 21:07.31 | PumpkinPie | Im trying to test my gigabit line that seems to be not performing |
| 21:07.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:07.46 | PumpkinPie | and its for some reason hard to find anyone that can download at speed |
| 21:07.47 | Guerin | where is it? |
| 21:07.47 | JordiGH | Guerin: I tried inputting the boot commands. It accepts them all, but reboots after the final boot command. |
| 21:07.53 | PumpkinPie | Los Angeles |
| 21:08.02 | DocOC | 80? you're talking oc12 at least. |
| 21:08.15 | PumpkinPie | 80 is fine.. fastE |
| 21:08.30 | DocOC | PumpkinPie: sure, I can do 80 on my local network. |
| 21:08.31 | PumpkinPie | if anyone has ever downloaded or can download at fastE speed they can help |
| 21:08.42 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 21:08.55 | PumpkinPie | Im surprised theres not more people with dedicated servers |
| 21:09.01 | JordiGH | Is anyone else besides me having trouble loading Wikipedia pages in Firefox? |
| 21:09.34 | deadcat | no |
| 21:09.37 | DocOC | PumpkinPie: even with a co-located server, you're still shelling out money for 80 gagabit to the internet. |
| 21:09.42 | deadcat | wikipedia is crap anyway |
| 21:09.49 | JordiGH | deadcat: That's nice. |
| 21:09.58 | PumpkinPie | burstable |
| 21:10.00 | deadcat | is apache 1.3 broken in unstable? or just me |
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| 21:10.13 | Fuxx | sorry! |
| 21:10.13 | deadcat | JordiGH: no i mean any moron can edit wikipedia right? |
| 21:10.21 | PumpkinPie | bandwidth billed by percentage used.. most dedicated servers can do 80 megabits |
| 21:10.32 | streuner | deadcat: what does BTS say about? ;-) |
| 21:10.36 | JordiGH | deadcat: So you edit it often yourself? |
| 21:10.39 | deadcat | streuner: too lazy to cehck (= |
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| 21:10.45 | streuner | uh |
| 21:10.46 | deadcat | JordiGH: i dont even visit that site |
| 21:11.01 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: http://feayn.org/~lewis/bradley_kuhn-swfreedom_and_gnu_generation-apr04.ogg is 17MB or so, located in a well-coonnected datacentre in texas |
| 21:11.03 | streuner | !btssmite deadcat |
| 21:11.19 | deadcat | streuner: so much trouble )= |
| 21:11.19 | PumpkinPie | ive already tested the download speed I have no way of testing UPLOAD speed |
| 21:11.25 | Guerin | ohh |
| 21:11.32 | Guerin | well |
| 21:11.42 | DocOC | JordiGH: I'm getting wikipedia fine. |
| 21:11.44 | Guerin | i don't have an ftp on there, and cba setting one up |
| 21:12.07 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: but if you cans erve something on a httpd or such, I can download it and paste you the wget output |
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| 21:12.10 | DocOC | PumpkinPie: dslreports.com |
| 21:12.26 | Guerin | dslreports is a waste of time |
| 21:12.30 | PumpkinPie | dslreports isn't going to help for 80+ megabit speed |
| 21:12.55 | Guerin | those things used to tell me my 100Mbit connection (which I'd benchmarked at 7.26 megabytes per sec) was between 2 and 16 megabit |
| 21:13.01 | JordiGH | DocOC: Maybe it's my evil sysadmin messing around with network parameters again. I can't load a lot of pages. Not being able to load debian.org is particularly insulting. :-( |
| 21:13.13 | JordiGH | DocOC: Anyways, yes, I can mount /dev/hda1 from Knoppix. |
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| 21:13.25 | goodshit | You log into a server and notice a lot of processes being run by a suspicious user "badbot". Please submit the one-line linux command to find all the process ids for this user and their environment variables. is it ps -aux | grep badbot?? |
| 21:13.27 | PumpkinPie | Guerin: where did that 100 mbit go? |
| 21:13.43 | JordiGH | goodshit: Sure. |
| 21:13.45 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: it's still there, I'm just not anymore. |
| 21:13.51 | goodshit | jordigh ok now.. |
| 21:13.52 | goodshit | Secondly, when you get this listing you see all the processes are named the seemingly benign "bash". How would you go about finding out what commands are REALLY being run? |
| 21:14.05 | goodshit | jordigh what is the command to see what they are running excatly? |
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| 21:15.11 | Guerin | study time |
| 21:15.14 | stew | goodshit: pstree might help show you what commands were spawned from which bash process. you also might look at ~badbot/.bash_history if one exists |
| 21:15.16 | Guerin | yay tests |
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| 21:15.26 | goodshit | ok thx |
| 21:15.45 | JordiGH | goodshit: But if you have a breakin, a user can be arbitrarily clever and hide all tracks. Good luck. :-/ |
| 21:15.45 | goodshit | is pstree by default |
| 21:16.03 | goodshit | there is no pstree |
| 21:16.08 | goodshit | is that a thrid party app/ |
| 21:16.08 | pdbogen | ps uaxf |
| 21:16.11 | Guerin | !installit |
| 21:16.11 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 21:16.26 | goodshit | pdbogen. what is ps uaxf and ps -aux? |
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| 21:16.30 | goodshit | doesn't it show the process |
| 21:16.31 | pdbogen | goodshit : 'f' means tree |
| 21:16.34 | RichiH | any idea what i need to do to have my sonyericcsson create a /dev/ttyUSBn device on connecting the usb cable? |
| 21:16.41 | goodshit | k thx |
| 21:17.23 | JordiGH | DocOC: You said something about not being able to create a ramdisk possibly be the source of this rebooting. What was that? |
| 21:17.28 | goodshit | txhg uys |
| 21:17.29 | goodshit | thx guys |
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| 21:18.09 | DocOC | JordiGH: well, i'm guessing, but if it is finding the ramdisk, you should at least get some kernel messages. |
| 21:18.18 | JordiGH | DocOC: No, I don't get any. |
| 21:18.36 | robin_sz | girls, if on machine A I do xhost + and on machine B "DISPLAY=ip.of.A:0.0 xeyes" it should work right? but I get failed to connect to A, clues? |
| 21:18.39 | JordiGH | DocOC: Only grub commands. The GRUB "boot" commands reboots it. |
| 21:18.48 | DocOC | JordiGH: does your grub config include an 'initrd' line? |
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| 21:19.16 | stew | RichiH: using udev? |
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| 21:19.30 | DocOC | JordiGH: I assume you are using a grub installed by knoppix... |
| 21:19.46 | deadcat | robin_sz: why not just xforwarding option in sshd_config ? |
| 21:19.46 | JordiGH | What the..? |
| 21:20.01 | JordiGH | Yes, it contains an initrd line, but the relevant initrd file in /boot isn't there! |
| 21:20.18 | DocOC | aha, that could be quite your problem. |
| 21:20.33 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:21.31 | robin_sz | deadcat, because of the encryption overhead of sending it all through SSH needlessley? |
| 21:21.38 | deadcat | ah |
| 21:21.38 | JordiGH | No, er, never mind. I got confused. I was looking in Knoppix's /boot, not my hard-drive's boot. It is there. |
| 21:22.25 | JordiGH | I wonder if I could get an md5sum for this particular initrd file... Really old. :-/ |
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| 21:26.56 | JordiGH | Hmm... Ok, fine. I'll go to a friend's house, download a newer Debian, and install that one. |
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| 21:30.32 | ted__ | hello anyone know how to get a lynksys wmp54g wifi card working? |
| 21:30.32 | ted__ | i cant so im using a wired ethernet card |
| 21:30.34 | Bry2k200 | i'm having problems with apollon |
| 21:30.42 | Bry2k200 | can't connect |
| 21:30.51 | Bry2k200 | giFT is installed |
| 21:31.02 | Bry2k200 | was wondering if anyone could share some light on this |
| 21:31.47 | tuv | ted__, can you tell what chip does it have? |
| 21:31.56 | PumpkinPie | does anyone own a dedicated server? |
| 21:32.13 | deadcat | no no one does |
| 21:32.32 | ted__ | i think its acx111 |
| 21:32.45 | streuner | !tell PumpkinPie about ask |
| 21:32.49 | Bry2k200 | is there mebbe a better peer to peer file sharing network that anyone uses? |
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| 21:33.10 | PumpkinPie | thats my only question :[ |
| 21:33.18 | tuv | ted__, good. you can start there. look for the driver, install it and read its docs. then use wireless-tools package |
| 21:33.37 | ted__ | otherwise i have this problem on ubuntu where everytime there is a kernal update i have to edit a file to make it point to the correct firmware |
| 21:33.51 | ted__ | ok ill try |
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| 21:34.42 | tuv | ted__, make sure the driver is not already in the kernel before you try to install it |
| 21:35.19 | Bry2k200 | i'm having problems with apollon |
| 21:35.25 | Bry2k200 | giFT is installed |
| 21:35.29 | Bry2k200 | was wondering if anyone could share some light on this |
| 21:35.34 | Bry2k200 | is there mebbe a better peer to peer file sharing network that anyone uses? |
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| 21:35.59 | RichiH | stew: yes |
| 21:36.04 | RichiH | stew: debian sid |
| 21:36.30 | ted__ | hmm...i havent thought about this problem in a while....ill have to think about it |
| 21:36.35 | Trewas | PumpkinPie: I have a computer in 100mbit network and can try the speed if you have something to offer with http/ftp, though between usa and finland the bottleneck is quite likely somewhere else than your end :) |
| 21:36.38 | streuner | RichiH: what kind of device is that? |
| 21:37.00 | RichiH | streuner: my k750? a cell phone :) |
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| 21:38.03 | JordiGH | Crap, I thought I turned off that autoaway crap. |
| 21:38.18 | ted__ | thanx tuv |
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| 21:38.29 | Bry2k200 | i'm having problems with apollon |
| 21:38.33 | Bry2k200 | giFT is installed |
| 21:38.37 | Bry2k200 | was wondering if anyone could share some light on this |
| 21:38.41 | Bry2k200 | is there mebbe a better peer to peer file sharing network that anyone uses? |
| 21:38.44 | RichiH | streuner: i need to find out how to create the according ttyUSB device |
| 21:38.47 | ted__ | im researching writing some pos software |
| 21:38.53 | streuner | RichiH: care to write a bug-report? :-) |
| 21:39.01 | ted__ | i want to set it up using lamp |
| 21:39.08 | streuner | RichiH: hm, so it didn't work before |
| 21:39.17 | ted__ | but i have almost no experience with servers |
| 21:39.26 | RichiH | streuner: nope |
| 21:39.30 | stew | RichiH: do you have anything in /sys/class/tty/ttyUSB* ? |
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| 21:40.42 | RichiH | stew: nope, none |
| 21:40.54 | ted__ | i guess that servers are accessed using channels which run a particular protocal |
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| 21:41.51 | RichiH | hmm, google just told me to use /dev/ttyACM0 and that works, at least partially |
| 21:41.52 | ted__ | so for servers entering orders and closing checks i want this thing to write to a database on a server |
| 21:41.53 | stew | RichiH: try "modprobe usbserial" and check again? |
| 21:41.56 | Bry2k200 | am i asking incorrectly or something? |
| 21:41.57 | RichiH | wtf is an acm device? |
| 21:42.03 | pdbogen | RichiH : serial modem |
| 21:42.15 | pdbogen | (Which is what cellphones connected over USB show up as) |
| 21:42.28 | ted__ | what protocol is ideal for this situation? |
| 21:42.28 | stew | RichiH: if that is the case, getting udev to create a symlink for you would be easy |
| 21:42.35 | RichiH | pdbogen: ah, ta |
| 21:42.49 | RichiH | stew: nah, i don't care what name it is as long as i can find it |
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| 21:43.14 | RichiH | pdbogen: the help of kmobiletools tells me to use ttyUSBn.. but oh well.. as long as it works ;) |
| 21:43.27 | RichiH | now i need to bang it over the head until it actually shows my SMS |
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| 21:47.57 | cr3 | when I ls -l /proc/[pid]/fd, I sometimes see something like: 4 -> socket:[23794] |
| 21:48.20 | cr3 | so, that means file descriptor 4 points to a socket. how can I determine more details about this socket? |
| 21:48.28 | cr3 | for example, is it a local domain socket or somesuch |
| 21:49.51 | MyNameIsRetro | Hi, is there any way of automagically detecting that certain disks/partitions are part of a software RAID rather than ordinary file systems, and treating them accordingly? So far, my attempts of moving a disk set containing /home on a sw RAID 1 always required me to reassemble the RAID on the target system, which of course requires knowledge of what the disks/partitions looked like beforehand. Is there a zero-knowledge/autodet |
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| 21:51.15 | wwallace | !clue |
| 21:51.16 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 21:51.33 | wwallace | hmm |
| 21:51.44 | AciD | where could I find the utopia-regular font that was in that old package ? : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=cupsys-pstoraster&version=oldstable&arch=mips |
| 21:52.04 | AciD | I installed an fresh new system and scribus complain about that font |
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| 22:07.19 | Eudyptula | is xvid included in w32codecs? |
| 22:07.29 | Eudyptula | or divx i gues |
| 22:07.36 | zinx | ffmpeg can decode that |
| 22:07.46 | zinx | and, w32codecs isn't part of debian :/ |
| 22:08.02 | Eudyptula | i know but you get it through marillat's repositories |
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| 22:08.18 | Eudyptula | zinx: so it's ffmpeg |
| 22:08.19 | Eudyptula | thanks |
| 22:08.57 | sid | Eudyptula: You don't need the windows divx codec, you can use ffmpeg and that decodes divx with free(libre) software |
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| 22:09.45 | Klowner | there's a way to tell apt to ignore installing a certain package isn't there? such as force it to quit attempting kernel image upgrades? |
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| 22:11.40 | echostorm | hey guys, had a q: Im a newbie who is trying to make a backup partition on my drive. I used qtparted to make a ext filesystem and its showing in the 'my computer' area as a 110gb volume but It wount let me mount it. Is there a command Im missing? |
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| 22:12.13 | echostorm | i duble click and get nothing, details shows a pmount error |
| 22:12.30 | JordiGH | qtparted? That's not in Debian, is it? |
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| 22:12.42 | karsten | echostorm: um, what OS are you running right now? |
| 22:12.48 | JordiGH | Oh, it is. Never mind. |
| 22:12.52 | karsten | JordiGH: qtparted is, yes. |
| 22:13.06 | echostorm | karsten I am using debian etch testing. |
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| 22:13.24 | sitri | echostorm: have you tried using xTerm or whatever terminal you use, and the mount command? |
| 22:13.27 | karsten | echostorm: OK. I'd suggest creating a mountpoint in /mnt and attempting to mount the partition there. |
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| 22:13.46 | karsten | echostorm: mkdir /mnt/misc1; mount -t ext2 /dev/<filesystem> /mnt/misc1 |
| 22:14.16 | karsten | echostorm: ... where <filesystem> is the partition you've just created. You'll need an /etc/fstab entry for that for other automount features to work most likely. |
| 22:14.23 | echostorm | ahh |
| 22:14.29 | CoNdA | I have a problem with Amarok hanging every time I toggle between apps and hi-graphic sites in FF. Is it a quick way to prioritze Amarok like in windows? |
| 22:14.38 | echostorm | thank you for the help. |
| 22:14.42 | karsten | echostorm: NP. |
| 22:14.57 | karsten | CoNdA: Likely it's a swap issue. How much RAM do you have and how big is your FF process? |
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| 22:15.27 | Klowner | I know I've done it before, injecting or inserting a package, something like that |
| 22:15.42 | karsten | Klowner: 'hold' |
| 22:16.00 | karsten | Klowner: You can also pin specific packages. |
| 22:16.16 | karsten | Klowner: 'hold' is a package state. man aptitude or apt-get. |
| 22:16.28 | Klowner | ohh :) |
| 22:16.35 | karsten | Klowner: ... or 'echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 22:17.01 | karsten | Klowner: Now if you'll set your mouse on your head ... |
| 22:17.07 | CoNdA | karsten; 1 gig ram, ff is 93 and tb is 103 |
| 22:17.07 | karsten | ... I'll shoot it off with this here arrow. |
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| 22:17.28 | karsten | CoNdA: How long is amaorak freezing? Monentarially or longer? |
| 22:17.35 | Althaser | how can I remove dpkg pending stuff ? please |
| 22:17.49 | CoNdA | oh.. just a split second or somehting.. just being annoying while playing mp3s |
| 22:17.50 | Guerin | i bet it's because amarok has a stupid cachey-metadata thing |
| 22:17.55 | sitri | How would I go about adding Enlightenment to the GDM session list? |
| 22:18.01 | Guerin | you probably just have to wait for it to sort its index out |
| 22:18.07 | karsten | CoNdA: ... and in general you'd want to run something like vmstat for a while to watch your swap in / swap out status. |
| 22:18.17 | Guerin | sitri: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf? |
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| 22:18.43 | Klowner | karsten: thanky |
| 22:18.49 | Guerin | CoNdA: skipping while playing music won't be ram, it'll be cpu |
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| 22:19.09 | karsten | CoNdA: You might want to see if there's a setting for the audio stream cache. Most soundcards actually stream a few seconds of play, and if you ensure there's always something in the pipe it will reduce interruptions. |
| 22:19.13 | JordiGH | Crap. My Kubuntu CD failed the integrity test. Checksum of the kernel package is wrong. Well, this'll be a good story for the kids: how I almost installed Ubuntu one day. |
| 22:19.18 | karsten | Guerin: Not necessarially, but could be. |
| 22:19.50 | Lord_Devi | I'm having a small issue with my screensaver, using xscreensaver under kde.. but the thing is, after about say 30 minutes of the screensaver going, my monitor goes blank and enters standby or something. I wish to disable this.. and i've always done that with xset -dpms, but that turns of xscreensaver now for some reason |
| 22:20.08 | karsten | Lord_Devi: xscreensaver-prefs |
| 22:20.22 | AciD | JordiGH > and it almost happened for the 13th birthday of Debian, it'd have been a shame |
| 22:20.26 | karsten | Lord_Devi: You can set blank / timeout. Personally I prefer blanking after ~8-10 minutes myself. |
| 22:20.27 | CoNdA | karsten, should that cache be in Xine or Alsa? |
| 22:20.28 | Lord_Devi | Oh I've never used that before. I'll go take a look |
| 22:20.33 | Guerin | JordiGH: puzzling how it managed to install if the .deb was corrupt |
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| 22:20.37 | JordiGH | Lord_Devi: ctrl panel, power management somewhere. |
| 22:20.43 | Lord_Devi | I just want the screensaver to be on 24/7 |
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| 22:20.46 | karsten | CoNdA: I don't know _where_ that cache is, but I'd suggest you look for it somewhere. |
| 22:20.54 | JordiGH | Guerin: It didn't. :-) |
| 22:21.00 | JordiGH | AciD: Numerology was against me. |
| 22:21.01 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:21.10 | Klowner | karsten: I attempted setting hold on kernel-image, and apt-get upgrade is still attempting to upgrade kernel-image |
| 22:21.10 | Lord_Devi | there is no power management section under kde that i can find. but i'll go look at that xscreensaver-prefs |
| 22:21.39 | karsten | Lord_Devi: Um. 'xscreensaver-demo'. Prefs are on the second tab. |
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| 22:21.57 | karsten | Lord_Devi: ... er, first tab, bottom left. |
| 22:22.01 | sitri | Guerin: I've found nothing in the gdm.conf file about the sessions |
| 22:22.14 | Guerin | sitri: it'll be in one of those config files in /etc/gdm |
| 22:22.15 | karsten | Lord_Devi: ... with more advanced power management on the "Advanced" tab. |
| 22:22.23 | Guerin | sitri: i can't re=call which, since i don';t use it |
| 22:22.37 | Lord_Devi | karsten: Oh ok! thanks |
| 22:22.44 | karsten | Lord_Devi: NP. |
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| 22:23.13 | magyar | how can i lunch mutt to show the date and the time in the message list? |
| 22:23.22 | JordiGH | karsten: Btw, how to disable blank out in a console? I think this came up yesterday. |
| 22:23.26 | Guerin | magyar: man muttrc |
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| 22:23.39 | JordiGH | karsten: in a tty, that is. |
| 22:23.39 | karsten | JordiGH: tset |
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| 22:24.11 | karsten | JordiGH: ... hrm. Maybe not. |
| 22:24.15 | JordiGH | karsten: Will the xscreensaver fix, by the way, also work, for say, kcometen3? |
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| 22:24.31 | Guerin | magyar: a bloke called myon once built me a custom strftime package for me which shows the time if it's today, and the date if it's any other time |
| 22:24.34 | Guerin | which is cool |
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| 22:25.24 | JordiGH | By the way, y'all should check out kcometen3. Good OpenGL thingie to show off to your friends. |
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| 22:26.28 | JordiGH | Human eye can only see about 30 fps, right? |
| 22:26.31 | waiting | JordiGH: human eye does not capture frames |
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| 22:26.34 | JordiGH | Oh, drat. kcometen3 isn't in Debian. Never mind. |
| 22:26.45 | waiting | JordiGH: nice opticals :) |
| 22:26.45 | karsten | JordiGH: Maybe setterm. |
| 22:26.48 | Guerin | JordiGH: yeah. |
| 22:26.55 | karsten | JordiGH: NFC WRT kcometen3 |
| 22:27.01 | JordiGH | waiting: What's the lowest framerate before we start noticing jerkiness? |
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| 22:27.13 | karsten | JordiGH: WRT what? |
| 22:27.33 | Guerin | JordiGH: well, not quite. It can differentiate fairly large changes up to about 50fps, but it's quite rare to be able to notice anything les than 30fps unless you're paying close attention |
| 22:27.38 | waiting | JordiGH: the higher the better |
| 22:27.38 | karsten | JordiGH: TV / movie display is ~16 FPS, and you'll notice frame hop in horizontal pans. |
| 22:27.46 | JordiGH | karsten: I suppose that's a valid question... an object is moving in front of me at a distance of two metres at a speed of 1 m/s. |
| 22:28.03 | Guerin | for instance, 35mm film at the cinema is 24fps; video is either 30fps non-interleaved or 50fps interleaved |
| 22:28.09 | Guerin | video=vhs/beta |
| 22:28.20 | waiting | JordiGH: whats the refresh rate of your monitor? |
| 22:28.21 | karsten | Guerin: I wasn't sure about 16, thought that might be low. |
| 22:28.22 | magyar | Guerin: if i open a mail it doesnt show when it what time it arrived nor the date it arrived :( |
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| 22:28.32 | JordiGH | waiting: Uh, around 60, I think. |
| 22:28.40 | waiting | JordiGH: would you lower it to 25? |
| 22:28.46 | Guerin | magyar: oh. Edit your headers section |
| 22:29.03 | JordiGH | waiting: But then I'll notice the refresh cycles. :-) |
| 22:29.11 | waiting | JordiGH: :)) |
| 22:29.11 | karsten | JordiGH: 75 Hz or better is where screen flicker tends to not be directly or indirectly noticed. 60Hz is a pathalogical case as it generates interferene patterns with the rest of our 60Hz electical world. |
| 22:29.29 | magyar | Guerin: i got it "h" to toggle the headers |
| 22:29.29 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:29.59 | Guerin | magyar: that's not really necessary. You can actually edit which headers it display by default so you don'thave to scroll through a page of them to read the mail |
| 22:29.59 | waiting | JordiGH: very graphics intensive applications are not satisfied below 120 |
| 22:30.04 | bazz | font help please. i upgraded to x.org 6.8.2, using the radeon driver and now my fonts look like this: http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sskx0.png they used to be lovely and anti-aliased, what happened? i have the bitstream fonts installed and set as my browser fonts |
| 22:30.04 | karsten | JordiGH: ... but depending on the ramp-up and decay rates, you'll get some flicker artifacts even at high speeds. Eg: strobe lights. |
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| 22:30.33 | karsten | JordiGH: A screen with a low refresh but low decay (eg: LCD) is quite usable even at 60 hz. |
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| 22:30.54 | waiting | gotta agree karsten. the physical devic has an impact |
| 22:31.16 | Guerin | if only lcds had decent colour gamut |
| 22:31.25 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 22:31.29 | karsten | gamut? or gamma? |
| 22:31.44 | Guerin | karsten: gamut. The total range of individuated colours they can display. |
| 22:31.48 | JordiGH | By the way, if there are any mathematicians in the audience or friends of mathematicians: |
| 22:31.50 | JordiGH | http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/days2/ |
| 22:32.07 | Guerin | which is the main reason grphdes forms still have enormous sony lcds to do a lot of photoshop work on |
| 22:32.08 | karsten | Guerin: and LCD is worse than CRT (also three-color)_ how? |
| 22:32.17 | Eudyptula | is e17 in sid? |
| 22:32.45 | JordiGH | Hehehe... I love the SAGE maintainer. He's a skater. Look at the pretty SAGE graffitti he made. |
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| 22:32.53 | waiting | Eudyptula: nope |
| 22:32.54 | Guerin | karsten: lcds tend to have fewer individuable colours at the same sort of price range. I suppose there are probably insanely expensive ones which have similar. |
| 22:33.04 | waiting | Eudyptula: (pity) |
| 22:33.08 | Guerin | Eudyptula: it's not released yet, so no. beta packages are available though |
| 22:33.10 | Guerin | !dr17 |
| 22:33.11 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 22:33.16 | Pryon | Also, when color is important you don't want it to change with viewing angle |
| 22:33.26 | Guerin | Pryon: yeah, absolutely |
| 22:33.45 | Eudyptula | Guerin: thanks! |
| 22:33.48 | karsten | Guerin: OK. I thought it was more the precision of color control and expense of very high res screens. LCD's gotten massively better over the past 7 years though. |
| 22:33.59 | JordiGH | Seattle. Dang, I was just there a month ago. Wish I could go back. |
| 22:34.42 | Guerin | karsten: yeah. My mate just got a whole lot of 27" toshiba (?) lcds in to his graphdes firm,and they're great for most things, but any intensive colour work still has to be done on trinitrons |
| 22:34.54 | Byggern | How do i setup my linux router box just to forward the dhcp ip's from the isp ? i don't want my client pc to have private addresses. Is bridgeing the answer ? Remember that i don't have a router in my adsl modem |
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| 22:35.03 | xored | how should i enter DNS entrys, that every "subdomain.mymaindomin.xx" is supported wheater the subdomain exist, should just be decided by the httpd server |
| 22:35.05 | karsten | Guerin: For the latest company to hit my shitlist, trinitrons still rock. |
| 22:35.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:35.19 | karsten | xored: wildcard entry. |
| 22:35.24 | Guerin | the latest? sony was about the first company on my shitlist |
| 22:35.31 | xored | just an * as subdomain ? |
| 22:35.37 | Guerin | trinitrons aside, they make tools, not toys |
| 22:35.45 | karsten | Guerin: The rootkit crap sorta capped it. |
| 22:35.46 | Guerin | er |
| 22:35.49 | xored | karsten: just an * as subdomain ? |
| 22:35.49 | Guerin | toys, not tools |
| 22:35.55 | Guerin | BAH, brain malfunction |
| 22:35.57 | karsten | Guerin: There's making crap products, and there's making *evil* products. |
| 22:36.20 | karsten | Guerin: You know what we mean. Or vice versa. |
| 22:36.24 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, i missed that whole rootkit thing because there's no point in buying cds in korea |
| 22:36.33 | karsten | Buwahaha! |
| 22:36.41 | waiting | :) |
| 22:37.05 | Guerin | but you're not allowed to watch the music videos! |
| 22:37.13 | shay | happy bday |
| 22:37.15 | karsten | Guerin: Boa! |
| 22:37.15 | Guerin | especially not with the sound off |
| 22:37.23 | Guerin | karsten: itym BoA |
| 22:37.32 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, I thought I'd had that wrong. |
| 22:37.37 | Guerin | shay: it's my wife's birthday today, I'll tell her you said so |
| 22:37.41 | karsten | Guerin: bubble-gum korean rock, right? |
| 22:37.46 | Guerin | karsten: k-pop |
| 22:37.50 | shay | Guerin, is Debian your wife? :P |
| 22:37.57 | Guerin | like j-pop, except without any punk influence |
| 22:38.06 | Guerin | shay: no, but her name is Deb. |
| 22:38.15 | Guerin | coincidence? Maybe. |
| 22:38.19 | JordiGH | Debian is a Leo? |
| 22:38.26 | waiting | =:) fate is inevitable |
| 22:38.31 | Guerin | She's a bit older than debian, you'll be pleased to know. |
| 22:38.42 | liable | heh |
| 22:38.46 | liable | !qotd1 |
| 22:38.47 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 22:38.48 | JordiGH | Debian is the only 13-year-old I can legally make love to. |
| 22:38.55 | karsten | Guerin: You're just saying that. |
| 22:38.56 | liable | bah, wrong on |
| 22:39.24 | waiting | wt heck |
| 22:39.25 | liable | JordiGH: now you are getting creepy |
| 22:39.25 | waiting | debian has some sort of anniversary? |
| 22:39.45 | karsten | ... and the first thing it does is build a dependency tree. |
| 22:39.45 | Guerin | karsten: as long as it's not aptitude install wife-kr |
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| 22:40.16 | karsten | Guerin: I made that mistake once. |
| 22:40.17 | JordiGH | The dependency tree for wife... a house, a good job, a ring... |
| 22:40.29 | Guerin | conflicts: beer |
| 22:40.43 | liable | and mates |
| 22:40.45 | karsten | JordiGH: There's also and extended state check. I think aptitude's looking to see if you're a deadbeat somewhere. |
| 22:40.49 | Gnome_Lx | hello room |
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| 22:40.59 | Gnome_Lx | pls ineed plesk for debian |
| 22:41.01 | JordiGH | provides: care, nurturing |
| 22:41.01 | waiting | uhhh 13 years ..... |
| 22:41.13 | waiting | a solid age :) |
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| 22:41.22 | JordiGH | !ask |
| 22:41.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:41.25 | Guerin | Gnome_Lx: nobody nededs plesk |
| 22:41.35 | JordiGH | Or is the question asked and I missed it? |
| 22:41.54 | karsten | Gnome_Lx: Take your pick: qemu, uml, LVS, Xen, or VMWare. |
| 22:42.00 | karsten | Oh wait... |
| 22:42.08 | karsten | *that* plesk. Nevermind. |
| 22:42.28 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 22:42.32 | JordiGH | !plesk ? |
| 22:42.36 | Gnome_Lx | plesk or cpanel |
| 22:42.39 | karsten | JordiGH: It's a helpdesk / ISP management thing. |
| 22:42.43 | Guerin | like webmin, except proprietary |
| 22:42.52 | karsten | ... and sucks twice as bad. |
| 22:42.55 | JordiGH | Oh. So why would it be in Debian? |
| 22:42.56 | Guerin | Gnome_Lx: ask the plesk/cpanel vendors |
| 22:42.59 | karsten | ... which is really saying something. |
| 22:43.02 | Gnome_Lx | lol |
| 22:43.07 | Guerin | Gnome_Lx: it's not free software, so it's not in debian. |
| 22:43.08 | Gnome_Lx | no money |
| 22:43.14 | Guerin | no plesk, then |
| 22:43.16 | karsten | Gnome_Lx: They're proprietary packages. Check with a vendor. |
| 22:43.20 | Gnome_Lx | or software admin server |
| 22:43.27 | Guerin | Gnome_Lx: i recommend ssh |
| 22:44.05 | waiting | heh |
| 22:44.13 | waiting | not that GUI vs. terminal tools again ^^ |
| 22:44.23 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:44.32 | Guerin | can't bear to see another round 1 K.O |
| 22:44.44 | JordiGH | xterm doesn't solve anything. |
| 22:44.44 | Guerin | waiting: fish |
| 22:44.51 | waiting | Guerin: say again? :) |
| 22:44.55 | Guerin | waiting: fish |
| 22:45.00 | karsten | JordiGH: So: you're saying xterm is violence? |
| 22:45.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:45.17 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 22:45.18 | Guerin | karsten: no. if it were violence, using more would solve your problems |
| 22:45.26 | Guerin | and everyone knows more xterms solves even less |
| 22:45.43 | karsten | Guerin: But less < xterms solves more. |
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| 22:46.17 | Guerin | karsten: bash: xterms: No such file or directory |
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| 22:46.41 | Guerin | karsten: HELP ME PLZ!!!! |
| 22:46.43 | karsten | Guerin: That's your problem. |
| 22:46.49 | karsten | Guerin: ... applying violence to the problem. |
| 22:46.51 | JordiGH | So what, exactly, happened 13 years ago today? |
| 22:46.58 | karsten | If you *touch* your xterms instead of bash them it will work. |
| 22:46.59 | JordiGH | The first release? |
| 22:47.02 | Guerin | JordiGH: my wife turned 15? |
| 22:47.07 | JordiGH | The first mailing list announcement? |
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| 22:47.13 | JordiGH | The first howto? |
| 22:47.22 | karsten | JordiGH: The first licensing debate. |
| 22:47.27 | JordiGH | :-) |
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| 22:49.03 | Guerin | karsten: pervert. |
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| 22:49.18 | stoned | Dell kicks ass |
| 22:49.43 | JordiGH | stoned: Explain. |
| 22:49.45 | Guerin | stoned: like a one-legged man |
| 22:49.50 | stoned | yeh yeh |
| 22:49.55 | stoned | Guerin, hate bandwagoner |
| 22:49.57 | sitri | I'm still trying to adding Enlightenment to my sessions menu, nothing I do seems to work, I've tried adding an "enlightenment" file with the correct contents, but I still can't get it to work. I have a fluxbox file aswell, and it seems to work...anyone got any ideas? |
| 22:50.02 | stoned | JordiGH, I love my new job |
| 22:50.14 | stoned | JordiGH, I'm not too sure about the hardware though, but working for dell kicks ass |
| 22:50.17 | bazz | what hinter does the xorg 7.0 package use? |
| 22:50.37 | JordiGH | stoned: They're free-software friendly? |
| 22:50.45 | stoned | of course |
| 22:50.57 | stoned | Dell is 100% standards compliant |
| 22:51.04 | stoned | or thats what we've been told |
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| 22:51.21 | Guerin | stoned: sed -ir 's/Dell/Hell/g' c:\Documents and Settings\* |
| 22:52.02 | stoned | Guerin, your mother should have taught you this. If not, allow me. "If you don't have anything constructive/nice to say, then don't say anything at all" |
| 22:52.08 | JordiGH | Even with the standards that conflict with the other standards? :-) |
| 22:52.17 | stoned | like I said |
| 22:52.17 | JordiGH | The ISO is like the Bible sometimes... |
| 22:52.19 | stoned | I care about a paycheck |
| 22:52.21 | Guerin | stoned: she taught me, I just chose to ignore her. |
| 22:52.37 | stoned | Guerin, haha, as did I :) |
| 22:52.49 | Guerin | stoned: i get a paycheck, but I don't have to sell my whole soul to get one - only little bits |
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| 22:53.02 | stoned | I don't see the big deal about dell stuff |
| 22:53.07 | stoned | I've got dell hw and it works just fine |
| 22:53.23 | Guerin | !dell |
| 22:53.23 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/, or http://linux.dell.com/ |
| 22:53.24 | stoned | I'm running all 3 debians on dell boxes |
| 22:53.28 | Guerin | read ^ |
| 22:53.36 | Guerin | oh, they've changed |
| 22:53.42 | Guerin | talk to abrotman about dell sometime |
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| 22:53.47 | stoned | no way in hell |
| 22:53.52 | stoned | that dude rips on me lol |
| 22:53.56 | Guerin | he loves them, and has lots of good reasons for loving them |
| 22:53.59 | stoned | haha |
| 22:54.07 | JordiGH | Hm? |
| 22:54.10 | JordiGH | Which reasons? |
| 22:54.18 | stoned | he is being sarcastic |
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| 22:54.23 | Guerin | he administers them |
| 22:54.24 | stoned | abrotman hates dell |
| 22:54.28 | Guerin | so he MUST love them |
| 22:54.34 | JordiGH | (fuck, I can't believe I'm becoming a regular in this channel. Always a bad sign when you start recognising handles.) |
| 22:55.13 | stoned | no its not a bad sign, it means you regularly come here and support other debian users with thier problems, and you get along with people and be productive |
| 22:55.18 | stoned | how is that bad? |
| 22:55.29 | stoned | if it wasn't for people like you, we wouldn't have a support channel would we? |
| 22:55.45 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 22:55.57 | stoned | yo |
| 22:56.01 | stoned | 3 feet personal bubble |
| 22:56.06 | Guerin | the problem as I understand is that the support staff are even more useless than the hardware |
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| 22:56.13 | JordiGH | Dude, you hang out in IRC too much, and bash.org happens. |
| 22:56.14 | stoned | Guerin, I agree |
| 22:56.44 | stoned | Guerin, but of course, not everyone is like that |
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| 22:57.27 | stoned | but I've seen thier hiring process and its very tough to score a tech support job there |
| 22:57.37 | stoned | anyway, time for weed |
| 22:57.39 | stoned | see ya |
| 22:57.49 | echostorm | so i seem to have gotten my ext2 filesystem to automount as (110.0gb volume) on startup... ok so far so good. However I can't seem to write or modify it... I know you can use chmod to make permanent changes to read/write attributes but i have no idea how to do it in this case. I used this command in fstab: /dev/hda3 /media/storage auto defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 ... can anyoone see what i did wrong?/dev/hda3 |
| 22:57.49 | echostorm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:58.02 | echostorm | oops double posted that |
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| 22:59.02 | karsten | echostorm: Can't write to it as whom? Note that you need write permissions to the directory in question. If you're planning on making this something your primary user account can write to, assign ownership to that user and give owner rwite privs. |
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| 22:59.27 | JordiGH | Heh, "time for weed". I was wondering when would stoned say that. :-) |
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| 23:00.10 | echostorm | ok... i wasnt sure if that was all i needed to do... i didnt want to mess up the setup on this, the files inside are going to be very ritical :) |
| 23:00.24 | echostorm | (c)ritical |
| 23:01.29 | Guerin | JordiGH: given that H^HDell has a testing policy, maybe he won't think they're so crash-hot for long... |
| 23:01.51 | beardy | ritical arning! o ore wap pace! |
| 23:02.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:03.08 | JordiGH | Guerin: Legalise! |
| 23:03.08 | zjohnson | hm anyone at LWE today? |
| 23:03.21 | zjohnson | I need to get in touch with the WYSE booth |
| 23:03.25 | Guerin | JordiGH: federal agent mon, don't tek mah ganja |
| 23:03.32 | echostorm | ok if i added this to the fsta line gid=disk,umask=0xxx im guessing that would fix it? |
| 23:03.40 | echostorm | i hate being a dang newbie. |
| 23:03.45 | karsten | echostorm: Suggest you buy yourself a basic Linux book. You should know things like filesystem mounting, users, permissions, and basic shell commands. |
| 23:03.52 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 23:03.52 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 23:03.59 | Guerin | there's a book for ya^ |
| 23:04.03 | echostorm | yeah, i suppose i should. |
| 23:04.04 | karsten | echostorm: umask doesn't work for ext2 |
| 23:04.06 | beardy | Yeah, read it. |
| 23:04.12 | karsten | Guerin: thanks. |
| 23:04.18 | xbmodder_lappy | How do I make debian use uclibc instead of glibc |
| 23:04.33 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 23:04.34 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:04.36 | azeem | xbmodder_lappy: that is not trivial |
| 23:04.56 | azeem | xbmodder_lappy: you basically have to rebuild all the C/C++ packages |
| 23:05.07 | azeem | well, port them as well I guess |
| 23:05.20 | beardy | Really? |
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| 23:05.37 | Guerin | wot no backwards compatibility???1 |
| 23:05.55 | JordiGH | Wow, wow, wow... I would sooo love to go: http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/days2/ |
| 23:05.57 | azeem | dunno how posix compliant uclibc is |
| 23:06.01 | JordiGH | But I'm not l33t enough... :-( |
| 23:06.51 | jelly-home | there seems to be a dead woody uclibc port at http://people.debian.org/~andersee/ |
| 23:08.25 | xbmodder_lappy | I want to kill someone |
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| 23:08.40 | jelly-home | googling for "usarge uclibc" gives only a few irc logs, pointing to #uclibc channel somewhere |
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| 23:09.09 | karsten | xbmodder_lappy: start close to home. |
| 23:09.14 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 23:10.05 | Ox0F0-0FF | karsten must mean something around 127.0.0.2 |
| 23:10.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | :P |
| 23:10.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | 127.0.0.1 sweet 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:10.53 | jelly-home | Ox0F0-0FF: eh, has anyone !nickometered your nick yet? |
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| 23:11.09 | Ox0F0-0FF | jelly-home, thousands of stupid times |
| 23:11.15 | jelly-home | figures |
| 23:11.17 | JordiGH | Eh? What's that? |
| 23:11.32 | Darkhack | I'm starting to see why you guys hate Ubuntu. No one reads the documentation and they post to the forums acting like the Linux community is in a crisis when their network card or something doesn't work. >_> |
| 23:11.33 | azeem | JordiGH: what's what? |
| 23:11.36 | karsten | Weirdness in konqueror: any newsforge.com page won't display when first viewed. Well, I get the banner and NewsForge header, but no article text. If I navigate up one level and back to the page, I see the text. |
| 23:11.41 | jelly-home | hex figures, to be more precise |
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| 23:11.48 | MASTER-PIGEON | anyone that works w/ barracudas at job, is possible to configure a silent treatment ban? so if a specific user(s) or specific domain(s) or specific octet combonations are origin of email, they get no response, and think mail was delivered, when it really never wasn't except logged on the barracuda |
| 23:11.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | LOL That's a good nick |
| 23:12.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | MASTER-PIGEON |
| 23:12.05 | fluvvell | I notice that basic text terminal resolution can be higher than 80x25, but can't find an easy way to set it. Pointers? |
| 23:12.12 | karsten | Darkhack: No, that's why we _love_ ubuntu. |
| 23:12.23 | karsten | Darkhack: ... those folks go there rather than to Debian ;-) |
| 23:12.57 | Darkhack | lol karsten |
| 23:13.01 | JordiGH | What's nickometered? |
| 23:13.02 | karsten | fluvvell: SVGATextMode or using kernel framebuffer for console. "vga=ask" in your boot prompt will trigger an ask. |
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| 23:13.37 | JordiGH | !nickometer JordiGH |
| 23:13.38 | fluvvell | karsten: SVGATextMode is a bash variable? |
| 23:13.39 | dpkg | 'JordiGH' is 8.000% lame, jordigh |
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| 23:13.49 | fluvvell | or a boot setting? |
| 23:14.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | wow, JordiGH discovered the nickometer.... welcome in the lame reality |
| 23:14.21 | jelly-home | Speaking of framebuffer consoles, is it possible to change the font size on fb? I've never had luck with that on a pc. |
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| 23:14.34 | karsten | fluvvell: vga=0x317 gives me 108x46. |
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| 23:14.52 | fluvvell | karsten: Ah Ha! |
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| 23:15.18 | JordiGH | !nickometer 0xF0-0FF |
| 23:15.20 | dpkg | '0xF0-0FF' is 99.580% lame, jordigh |
| 23:15.26 | Ox0F0-0FF | he had to do it |
| 23:15.30 | JordiGH | Of course I did. |
| 23:15.33 | Ox0F0-0FF | can beleive this sh*t |
| 23:15.56 | beardy | jelly-home: and there's more, read /usr/local/src/linux/Documentation/vesafb.txt (IIRC, and whwere it is depends on if and hwre your kernel tree is) |
| 23:15.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | MASTER-PIGEON, ...... |
| 23:16.02 | jelly-home | JordiGH: use /msg for that ;-) |
| 23:16.17 | MASTER-PIGEON | oxofo-off |
| 23:16.21 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, yeah... but it's like making a prank phone call to yourself. |
| 23:16.23 | jelly-home | beardy: I know and I tried, it just never worked. |
| 23:16.24 | azeem | JordiGH: you typoed it |
| 23:16.30 | MASTER-PIGEON | i was just scratching my anus, and i seemed to have picked out some poppy seeds |
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| 23:16.36 | MASTER-PIGEON | from a bagel I ate on saturday 5 days ago |
| 23:16.38 | azeem | MASTER-PIGEON: please stay on topic |
| 23:16.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | Nah, I won't explain my nick again, you guys can search for the ports to access an fpu |
| 23:17.09 | mzilikazi | what's the debian way of setting default python shell to 2.4 instead of 2.3? |
| 23:17.19 | beardy | jelly-home: Quite old graphicshardware? |
| 23:17.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | added to the IRC RFC to explain why it starts by an O and not a 0 |
| 23:17.31 | jelly-home | beardy: resolution changes, yes, ypan/ywrap accelerated scrolling, yes, font, no. |
| 23:17.32 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 23:17.33 | azeem | mzilikazi: there's no Debian way |
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| 23:17.41 | karsten | fluvvell: No, it's a package that allows dynamic resizing of thconsole display. |
| 23:17.47 | azeem | mzilikazi: just call python2.4 explicitely |
| 23:17.58 | karsten | !SVGATextMode |
| 23:17.58 | dpkg | svgatextmode is probably a cool util to set your console res / fonts |
| 23:18.00 | jelly-home | beardy: It was a ATI 3D Rage Pro Mobility, vintage 2000. |
| 23:18.02 | beardy | jelly-home: Ok. Your own compiled kernel? |
| 23:18.06 | mzilikazi | azeem: well i need it to be default for a certain app |
| 23:18.25 | azeem | mzilikazi: then fix that app to call it explicitely |
| 23:18.28 | jelly-home | beardy: usually my own, yes. I did compile in lots of fonts. ;-) |
| 23:18.33 | karsten | fluvvell: ... it's a big hackish and tends not to play well when switching to / from X repeatedly. You'll have to re-reset your display rate, some cards don't like that much. |
| 23:18.33 | beardy | jelly-home: You forgot to compile in the fonts. |
| 23:18.36 | beardy | jelly-home: oh.. |
| 23:18.48 | mzilikazi | azeem: removing python2.3 then reinstalling sets it to 2.4 so it can be done somehow.....i'll go to #python |
| 23:19.00 | azeem | mzilikazi: eh, no |
| 23:19.08 | azeem | don't bother #python with Debian questions, please |
| 23:19.11 | beardy | jelly-home: Then I don't know why. |
| 23:19.21 | azeem | mzilikazi: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:19.26 | mzilikazi | azeem: sid |
| 23:19.29 | jelly-home | beardy: first thing I did. There is mention under Documentation/ that some drivers do not support different fonts, not sure if vesafb is one of them. |
| 23:19.30 | azeem | mzilikazi: d'oh |
| 23:19.35 | fluvvell | karsten: but I can also use the vga= setting within menu.1st with grub? |
| 23:19.37 | azeem | mzilikazi: python2.4 *is* default in sid |
| 23:19.45 | azeem | just apt-get install python |
| 23:19.47 | mzilikazi | azeem: some apps also need 2.3 |
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| 23:20.00 | azeem | mzilikazi: they should explicitely call 2.3 then |
| 23:20.16 | beardy | jelly-home: vesafb changes the number of rows and columns if run with higher resolution, it always did for me when I tried it atleast, but how, I don't know. |
| 23:20.37 | mzilikazi | azeem: ok well i can't rewrite any apps, and default python can be set to 2.4 somehow |
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| 23:21.05 | beardy | jelly-home: Did you change the console font? |
| 23:21.10 | jelly-home | beardy: that's done by changing the resolution (with vga= whatever mode) |
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| 23:21.42 | azeem | mzilikazi: the default is controlled by the Debian python team, and they switched from 2.3 to 2.4 for unstable last weekend |
| 23:21.43 | beardy | jelly-home: Sure. But I don't know if it used another font, or scaled one. |
| 23:21.46 | jelly-home | beardy: erm. I do change the font sometime in /etc/init.d/* |
| 23:22.01 | nilko | I have 2 audio cards on my computer, but in every reboot the 2º are set by default, how set the 1º by default ? |
| 23:22.02 | azeem | mzilikazi: you cannot switch the default yourself, short of hacking the python meta package |
| 23:22.04 | jelly-home | beardy: but that's after kernel's magic. |
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| 23:22.43 | beardy | jelly-home: Then that shouldn't matter.. if the default font is used when you boot. |
| 23:22.53 | jelly-home | beardy: and I'd notice if it were scaled, it's a laptop with LCD. |
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| 23:24.02 | beardy | jelly-home: Some laptops don't like framebuffer at all, but I think that is caused by some IBM graphics hardware.. |
| 23:24.40 | beardy | jelly-home: Do you get a tux? |
| 23:24.43 | Shadowcat | most modern laptops will support framebuffer, unless you're using a sony |
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| 23:24.52 | Shadowcat | then you're screwed with any version of linux :) |
| 23:24.52 | jelly-home | beardy: of course. |
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| 23:25.34 | karsten | fluvvell: Yes. |
| 23:25.40 | jelly-home | beardy: fb works, It's a noticable difference between 80x25 scaled and 160x50 (1280x800 lcd). |
| 23:26.05 | Shadowcat | please don't tell me you're using an Intel IGP with that |
| 23:26.13 | beardy | jelly-home: ok.. and the problem is? |
| 23:26.20 | Shadowcat | because I'm VERY sure that entry isn't in the video bios which framebuffer relys upon |
| 23:26.25 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: course i do! :-) |
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| 23:26.32 | Shadowcat | well then there's your problem then |
| 23:26.43 | Shadowcat | use 1024x768 fb or don't use it at all |
| 23:26.48 | Shadowcat | you're not getting 1280x800 |
| 23:26.51 | nilko | I have 2 audio cards on my computer, but in every reboot the 2º are set by default, how set the 1º by default ? |
| 23:26.55 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: I found the correct vga mode in bios. |
| 23:27.03 | Shadowcat | nilko: alsaconf |
| 23:27.16 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: I don't think it's in there to begin with |
| 23:27.30 | Shadowcat | Intel video bioses are notorious for not including non-standard resolutions |
| 23:27.35 | Shadowcat | and that's DEFINATELY non-standard |
| 23:27.41 | nilko | Shadowcat: with alsaconf i only have one card enabled, no more |
| 23:28.01 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: it's there all right, Lenovo has made a good job with their bios. No need for "915resolution" and workarounds like that. |
| 23:28.10 | Shadowcat | nilko: no, with alsaconf you hae one default |
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| 23:28.19 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: so what's the fb problem then? |
| 23:28.32 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: I can't change font from 8x16 to eg. 12x22 |
| 23:29.00 | nilko | mmh, let me try... |
| 23:29.47 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: hmm.... gotta hand it to the Chinese |
| 23:29.51 | Shadowcat | does your laptop have a winkey? |
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| 23:30.30 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: yes, but there are options not to get it. |
| 23:30.39 | Shadowcat | ok then I can buy lenovo again |
| 23:30.55 | Shadowcat | but I think your font problem is related to lack of proper fonts |
| 23:30.59 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: this one is still labeled IBM Thinkpad, tbh |
| 23:31.25 | Shadowcat | for another year yeag |
| 23:31.28 | Shadowcat | yeah* |
| 23:32.07 | jelly-home | they have cheaper Lenovo branded models that look about the same as any other brand. |
| 23:32.12 | Shadowcat | they got a two year license to use the IBM brand |
| 23:32.20 | Shadowcat | bah who cares about the label |
| 23:32.33 | Shadowcat | they're all made at some big factory outside Shanghai anyway |
| 23:32.39 | Shadowcat | and the Dells are made 10 min down the street |
| 23:32.41 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 23:32.55 | Shadowcat | with the rest of the brands within a day's travel most likely |
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| 23:33.15 | jelly-home | bought it because a) widescreen b) all the hw works in Linux. ok, all but $onexant modem. |
| 23:33.34 | Shadowcat | although, I do have a beef with Dell about their battery life, or lack thereof |
| 23:33.44 | Eudyptula | or exploding batteries |
| 23:33.56 | Shadowcat | that's related to lack of battery life :P |
| 23:34.00 | tuv | toshiba laptop hardware is well supported in linux too |
| 23:34.07 | Eudyptula | my battery lasted for about 3 years |
| 23:34.09 | Eudyptula | that's pretty good? |
| 23:34.11 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: all I want from a laptop is the ability to go for a few hours without batteries |
| 23:34.21 | Shadowcat | Eudyptula: how much did you use it? |
| 23:34.27 | Eudyptula | a lot |
| 23:34.38 | Eudyptula | the longest it ever lasted was an hour though :( |
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| 23:34.55 | ma3x | is it true that the adsl in france is about $30 for 20 mbits? |
| 23:35.07 | Shadowcat | pfft |
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| 23:35.15 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: so, a real intel cpu + substitute a dvd drive for an additional battery. |
| 23:35.19 | Shadowcat | my el cheap Acer Travelmate 661 LCi lasts five hours |
| 23:36.03 | Shadowcat | and I recently put 1gb of ram in there for a total of 1280mb of ram, so that it could last another year or two |
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| 23:36.20 | abrotman | because 1280MB of RAM ought to be enough for anybody? |
| 23:36.22 | ma3x | anyone from france? |
| 23:36.33 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: I went budget way, the Celeron M and default 6-cell instead of 9-cell battery, lasts about 2:30. Still, it's enough for a movie and much better than 30 seconds on the old notebook. ;-) |
| 23:36.43 | Shadowcat | abrotman: well 512 isn't enough when Visual Studio chews up 500 on its own working with XML files |
| 23:36.55 | Emiml | and old ibooks have long battery life |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | Shadowcat: you could use eclipse .. that only takes 499 :) |
| 23:37.09 | Shadowcat | no I tried eclipse, it took up around 700mb |
| 23:37.12 | Emiml | mine is 2yrs old, and I can work ~4h on battery |
| 23:37.26 | Shadowcat | see why I needed that extra ram? |
| 23:37.27 | abrotman | dude .. so does my "Desktop Replacement" thinkpad |
| 23:37.30 | jelly-home | Emiml: G3? |
| 23:37.37 | Emiml | G4 |
| 23:37.42 | abrotman | four hours on a laptop is not impressive |
| 23:37.43 | karsten | speaking of fb, what's the best vga value and corresponding chracter resolution I can get on a 1280x1024 laptop display? |
| 23:38.05 | Shadowcat | depends on the processor |
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| 23:38.13 | Shadowcat | if it's a P4-M four hours is freaking brilliant |
| 23:38.15 | jelly-home | karsten: look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt and add 0x200 |
| 23:38.16 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i have a P4 .. not P4-M |
| 23:38.26 | Shadowcat | then it's god damn awsome |
| 23:38.28 | abrotman | Shadowcat: and my battery lasts ~4 hours |
| 23:38.39 | Shadowcat | but if it's a Pentium-M or Core Duo / Core 2 Duo |
| 23:38.42 | cafuego | karsten: Well, vga goes to 800x600 eh ;-) You could make the framebuffer go up tp 1280x1024 though. |
| 23:38.46 | Shadowcat | four hours is what you should expect |
| 23:38.50 | jelly-home | karsten: soo.. 8-bit 1280x1024 would be vga=0x307 |
| 23:38.57 | Shadowcat | actually six to eight hours on those would be good |
| 23:39.20 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: google for the codes, they're all around the net |
| 23:39.27 | tuv | at full freq.? |
| 23:39.39 | Shadowcat | the thinkpad x41 I believe lasts six hours if you get the high capacity battery |
| 23:39.44 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: no need to google when I have kernel source ;-) |
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| 23:40.03 | Shadowcat | it'll go more than eight hours if you put the media bay battery in |
| 23:40.03 | beardy | jelly-home: rtft, or isn't it listed there? |
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| 23:40.04 | cafuego | Shadowcat: Not if you access the opticald rive and use wifi the whole time. |
| 23:40.19 | Shadowcat | cafuego: well I was talking about taking notes in class |
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| 23:40.30 | beardy | jelly-home: (read the fine table, in the vesafb.txt) |
| 23:40.38 | cafuego | Shadowcat: ie: a movie and web browsing ;-) |
| 23:40.44 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 23:40.57 | karsten | jelly-home: Hrm. No kernel sources installed. |
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| 23:41.02 | Shadowcat | cafuego: you know my Ipaq lasts eight hours when watching movies? |
| 23:41.11 | Shadowcat | I still can't figure out how HP pulled that one off |
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| 23:41.31 | jelly-home | karsten: oh well, find Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt on the net then. |
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| 23:42.57 | em-dash | I'm getting an error running `apt-get update`: |
| 23:42.57 | em-dash | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 23:42.58 | em-dash | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room... |
| 23:43.02 | karsten | jelly-home: Um. That's too high for me. |
| 23:43.04 | karsten | !mmap |
| 23:43.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 23:43.13 | Guerin | em-dash: don't fucking paste |
| 23:43.26 | em-dash | Guerin: so fucking sorry |
| 23:43.32 | tuv | :D |
| 23:43.38 | karsten | Guerin: 2 lines is OK. |
| 23:43.43 | karsten | em-dash: No fears. |
| 23:43.49 | fluvvell | karsten: I installed the SVGATextMode package, HEAPS of options and basic reading gets pretty wordy - is there a couple of quick examples you can offer me, (yes like most I am basically lazy) on using it? the first 6 attempts fail with hrez problems. I've a philips 60Hz lcd display and Nvidia N11 Graphics card |
| 23:44.36 | Guerin | fnarr |
| 23:44.41 | karsten | fluvvell: Short answer (don't have it installed ATM) is to specify a Default= value. 80x60x9 worked for me pretty well. |
| 23:44.55 | karsten | fluvvell: grep -v '^#' | grep -i default |
| 23:45.01 | karsten | fluvvell: ... should show you the line to change. |
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| 23:45.23 | karsten | em-dash: just ask him about his bike-handling skillz ;-) |
| 23:45.24 | fluvvell | karsten: so just SVGATextMode 80x60x9 should work? |
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| 23:45.32 | karsten | fluvvell: Yeah, I think so. |
| 23:45.32 | ma3x | what means ATM |
| 23:45.37 | karsten | !ATM |
| 23:45.38 | dpkg | somebody said atm was (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. or 'at the moment' or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50. |
| 23:46.00 | nilko | Shadowcat: it don't has work, i have configured alsaconf for use one card and after a reboot, has set another card by default |
| 23:46.24 | em-dash | Guerin: I hear you've got some wicked bike-handling skillz... can you kick me down some knowledge? |
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| 23:46.32 | fluvvell | karsten: yep. Ta, now I can play with it. |
| 23:46.38 | Guerin | em-dash: heh. |
| 23:46.49 | fluvvell | karsten: yes, its pretty cool. LOTS of options :-) |
| 23:46.53 | Guerin | em-dash: yeah. Don't let gravity bring you down. |
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| 23:46.57 | ma3x | karsten, I am looking for some adsl offers in france... for eg. http://www.neuf.fr/offres/internet/Nos-offres-ADSL/ADSL-20-Mega.html |
| 23:47.02 | em-dash | Guerin: sorry about the pasting thing |
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| 23:47.13 | karsten | Guerin: heh. |
| 23:47.21 | karsten | ma3x: Um, and? |
| 23:47.22 | ma3x | karsten, it says it offers adsl 20/1 down/up mbits for about 20 euro per month. is that possible? |
| 23:47.30 | em-dash | Guerin: but I gotta say, if you don't want people pasting, why does the bot respond to pasted errors? |
| 23:47.32 | karsten | ma3x: NFC. |
| 23:47.46 | karsten | em-dash: the bot responded to me. |
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| 23:48.15 | em-dash | karsten: d'oh!! I'm spewing ignorance all over this channel |
| 23:48.29 | em-dash | karsten: thanks for that |
| 23:48.37 | karsten | em-dash: NP. |
| 23:48.40 | ma3x | karsten, what means nfc? |
| 23:48.43 | ma3x | !nfc |
| 23:48.43 | dpkg | [nfc] No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 23:48.46 | ma3x | okay |
| 23:48.53 | ma3x | karsten, but what are the prices in germany? |
| 23:48.54 | karsten | ma3x: Very good. Now learn to /msg the bot. |
| 23:49.02 | karsten | ma3x: How would I know? |
| 23:49.44 | karsten | Well, ok, a wall of ivy growing on the fence. |
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| 23:50.48 | cafuego | ma3x: You should be usiong google to find these answers, not asking people who live nowhere near Europe. Because they won't know. |
| 23:50.56 | ma3x | cafuego, what should I type in google? |
| 23:51.16 | cafuego | ma3x: Howe about "broadband prices germany" ? |
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| 23:52.15 | azeem | ma3x: your question is off topic here, please ask/research elsewhere |
| 23:54.07 | karsten | cafuego: ... or breitbandpreis deutschland |
| 23:54.09 | ma3x | ok thnaks |
| 23:54.46 | cafuego | or "billiges adsl in duetschland" |
| 23:54.51 | name | ^^ |
| 23:55.12 | karsten | cafuego: Genau |
| 23:55.45 | name | why is a macedonian asking for DE DSL prices? |
| 23:55.55 | name | look into the whois :) |
| 23:55.57 | cafuego | maybe he's thinking of moving |
| 23:56.01 | cafuego | to either france of germany |
| 23:56.03 | karsten | name: Er sucht Lebensraum? |
| 23:56.13 | cafuego | coz broadband *has* to be cheaper there than in macedonia ;-) |
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| 23:56.45 | name | naja ich finds gemein wie billig dsl in de is, dafuer is unser handy billiger :P |
| 23:56.57 | azeem | name: please write in english |
| 23:57.00 | name | sry for german |
| 23:57.01 | name | L( |
| 23:57.20 | azeem | cafuego: you too |
| 23:57.29 | karsten | azeem: Chill. |
| 23:57.38 | epsilon | I have SoftRAID1 problem: I create with "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/hdb2", mkfs.xfs /dev/md0, reboot. But after reboot the raid is gone in /proc/mdstat, If I try to mount I get "mount: /dev/md0: can't read superblock" |
| 23:57.40 | azeem | karsten is the shiny example |
| 23:57.49 | cafuego | Yes, dad. |
| 23:57.57 | abrotman | can i reopen a bug that is fixed in sid, but unresolved in etch, and pretty serious? |
| 23:58.03 | epsilon | mdadm --examine on hdb2 shows there's a raid, but that's all... what's wrong? |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | and the package is frozen |
| 23:58.14 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes |
| 23:58.23 | karsten | abrotman: If you think it's the same root cause, reopen. If it's a different root cause, new bug and ref the first. |
| 23:58.25 | abrotman | will they yell at me ? |
| 23:58.31 | cafuego | abrotman: I expect they'd like to fic showstoipper bugs before shipoping. |
| 23:58.37 | karsten | abrotman: hell, they'll yell at you regardless. |
| 23:58.54 | azeem | abrotman: I think you should pass the BTS a "Found: <version" pseudo-header so it knows it is still open in testing |
| 23:59.02 | cafuego | Just yell back and tell them they should have fixed it to begin with ;-) |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | i mean .. IMO (not that it counts for squat) .. if a serious bug still affects etch .. it should get some special tag |
| 23:59.21 | abrotman | and not archived |
| 23:59.27 | abrotman | cafuego: it is fixed |
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| 23:59.39 | cafuego | Not in etch, though. |
| 23:59.53 | azeem | abrotman: tags are no longer used to track this I believe, there is version tracking now |
