| 00:00.04 | abrotman | azeem: the bug thread clearly states it's fixed in <revision>, but because of the freeze .. the fix won't get in |
| 00:00.19 | azeem | abrotman: so that means it applies to etch |
| 00:00.19 | epsilon | any hint on my RAID trouble? |
| 00:00.35 | azeem | abrotman: check http://bts.turmzimmer.net/ for it |
| 00:00.38 | abrotman | azeem: right .. but the bug is to be archived |
| 00:01.10 | azeem | abrotman: what do you mean, "is to be"? |
| 00:01.16 | azeem | abrotman: which bug, anyway? |
| 00:01.45 | abrotman | azeem: 377755 |
| 00:01.50 | abrotman | !dbugs 377755 |
| 00:01.54 | dpkg | DONE:#377755:N[libcairo2] Disappearing text in pango applications; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 04:34:31 UTC |
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| 00:03.12 | abrotman | azeem: something similar is mentioned on the turmzimmer page .. but they weren't merged |
| 00:04.14 | abrotman | azeem: though it seems all three have been fixed in sid .. but it's frozen |
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| 00:05.03 | azeem | abrotman: why is libcairo frozen. anyway? |
| 00:05.10 | azeem | abrotman: I suggest you ask dondelelcaro about it |
| 00:05.17 | abrotman | azeem: nfc .. it's in the list of packages that are frozen though |
| 00:05.30 | azeem | IMHO, this bug is still open, even if it is listed as resolved on libcairo's overview page |
| 00:05.42 | nilko | how i set to use one audio card by default and no my 2º ? |
| 00:05.42 | azeem | abrotman: probably because it builds .udebs |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | azeem: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/freeze |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | azeem: it's listed there as frozen |
| 00:06.12 | azeem | yeah, .udeb-building packages have been frozen all the time since before sarge released AFAIK |
| 00:06.14 | abrotman | azeem: erm .. or i'm misreading it |
| 00:06.35 | abrotman | !why is libcairo0 not in testing |
| 00:06.35 | dpkg | libcairo0 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libcairo0 |
| 00:06.37 | azeem | after etch beta3 is out, cairo can get uploaded again |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | it is out |
| 00:06.57 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 00:07.00 | abrotman | libcairo2 :) |
| 00:07.11 | |dennis| | Quesiton: was looking up the menu standars for etch...whast the best way to get rids of the menus on the top panel and replace them with my own? |
| 00:07.21 | abrotman | oh .. it's all changed now |
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| 00:07.56 | jelly-home | can I do an upgrade and a new install with one apt-get or aptitude command? |
| 00:08.22 | abrotman | azeem: it is due to be archived .. i mean .. will the BTS system track that as affecting etch? |
| 00:08.32 | Agrajag- | is there any way to find out what type of ram my mobo takes (without looking at it?) |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | what cpu is it? |
| 00:09.03 | azeem | abrotman: see above; I would expect it to, but ask dondelelcaro for clarification |
| 00:09.08 | azeem | anyway, going to bed now |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | okay thanks azeem .. night |
| 00:09.41 | Agrajag- | abrotman: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz |
| 00:09.46 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: lshw might help. |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | hwinfo .. dmicode or whatever that hting is |
| 00:10.16 | jelly-home | dmidecode |
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| 00:10.27 | abrotman | Agrajag-: hopefully you didn't get stuck with RDRAM |
| 00:10.49 | scanf | just a quick querry.... what is the default user "games" for??? |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | !what is my hardware is <reply>You can use lspci, lsusb, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 00:11.06 | dpkg | abrotman: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | erm .. crap |
| 00:11.29 | scanf | !games |
| 00:11.30 | dpkg | i guess games is Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or http://www.uniball-central.com, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames, or http://www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, or nethack, or freeciv, or dopewars |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | !whats my hardware is <reply>You can use lspci, lsusb, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 00:11.34 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 00:11.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: need to add anything |
| 00:11.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:11.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's about what comes to my mind, and less |
| 00:12.03 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:12.44 | Agrajag- | abrotman/jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/135478 that's what dmidecode gave me for the 2 ram slots installed - im not sure what to look for? |
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| 00:13.25 | abrotman | !whats my hardware =~ s/lsusb/lsusb, lsscsi/ |
| 00:13.26 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 00:13.44 | Agrajag- | http://pastebin.ca/135483 that's the memory controller info |
| 00:13.50 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: look for "Supported Memory Types:" |
| 00:13.50 | cafuego | scanf: the games user goes with the games group. This is a special group, which has write access to the high-score listings. This way many users can share a high-score file. |
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| 00:14.08 | anabain | hi, is there any app to know which bios version has my motherboard? I cannot read it at booting time, it's damned quick... |
| 00:14.15 | Agrajag- | jelly-home: ok, so there's ECC, i guess that's it? |
| 00:14.29 | cafuego | anabain: Just hit scroll lock at bootup. |
| 00:14.32 | abrotman | no .. ECC isn't it |
| 00:14.39 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: yes, but that's not concusive. |
| 00:14.44 | anabain | oh, thanks, cafuego |
| 00:14.47 | tuv | anabain, you can see the version of you get into the bios setup |
| 00:14.47 | abrotman | !tell anabain about whats my hardware |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | ha! |
| 00:15.03 | Agrajag- | ok, the only other one is "Other" |
| 00:15.04 | scanf | cafuego: ah ok...I have been plugging any and all security wholes... deleting users that I don't use in any way, like "news" and "irc" (Iam not running ircd) |
| 00:15.06 | cafuego | anabain: If that does nothing, go into the bios, it will reports its version there too. |
| 00:15.28 | scanf | ! |
| 00:15.30 | cafuego | scanf: Those uers can't login, removing those != plugging security holes. |
| 00:15.45 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: well, at leat dmidecode gives you motherboard model so you can look it up on the net. |
| 00:15.58 | Agrajag- | jelly-home: ok, thanks i'll try that |
| 00:16.19 | anabain | I entered the bios, but the numbering system does not match the web's one (asus MB), cafuego |
| 00:16.25 | scanf | cafuego: well something tried to run as the "nobody" user, and I thought that was nologin as well |
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| 00:16.52 | cafuego | scanf: Lots of (automated) things can run as 'nobody' It's not unusual. |
| 00:17.07 | scanf | cafuego: well, "nobody" tried to sudo |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 00:17.18 | zinx | <3 paranoid admins that don't know wtf they're doing |
| 00:17.24 | cafuego | scanf: <heh> |
| 00:17.40 | cafuego | scanf: Not after logging in externally, that's for sure. |
| 00:17.51 | cafuego | scanf: Probably just a crontab script. |
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| 00:18.32 | scanf | cafuego: how do I verify which users can't login? |
| 00:18.45 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: fwiw, Memory Controller Information looks much like one of my servers with RAMBUS. lshw says it's RIMM, it's a bit smarter. |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | ewww |
| 00:19.34 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 00:20.06 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | i was wondering where you got to |
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| 00:21.55 | scanf | cafuego: /etc/nologin doesn't seem to exist by default on debian |
| 00:22.17 | abrotman | it doesn't ... not RH |
| 00:22.20 | cafuego | scanf: It does, but is removed when bootup is finished. |
| 00:22.40 | cafuego | scanf: Are you a non-debian user wrecking their system by hand by any chance? |
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| 00:23.22 | cafuego | scanf: Incidentally, users that can't login have a '!' as password in /etc/shadow. |
| 00:23.22 | jelly-home | cafuego: you don't have to be non-debian for that. |
| 00:23.33 | scanf | cafuego: perhaps :) |
| 00:23.34 | cafuego | I *stronlgy* suggest you do _not_ touch /etc/shadow. |
| 00:23.53 | cafuego | jelly-home: No, but it helps ;-) |
| 00:24.25 | scanf | cafuego: so how should I properly tell debian that a certian user "can't log in"? |
| 00:24.28 | abrotman | scanf: some systems have /usr/sbin/nologin if that's what you mean |
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| 00:25.07 | zinx | scanf: give them a ! for the password or such |
| 00:25.16 | zinx | (the hashed 'password' field) |
| 00:25.36 | cafuego | scanf: You cna set their shell to /bin/true or run 'passwd -l' for said user. |
| 00:26.12 | abrotman | or /bin/false |
| 00:26.25 | scanf | zinx: are you saying to edit /etc/shadow like cafuego said not to? |
| 00:26.38 | nilko | how i set to use one audio card by default and no my 2º card ? |
| 00:26.38 | cafuego | zinx: That's what passwd -l is for. |
| 00:26.46 | cafuego | abrotman: /bin/false can traditionally ftp in. |
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| 00:27.08 | abrotman | cafuego: if it's in /etc/shells |
| 00:27.10 | cafuego | I'm sure a conscientious admin like scanf doesn't ru an ftp server, but still. |
| 00:27.24 | abrotman | cafuego: which by default on a debian box it is not |
| 00:27.25 | jelly-home | usermod -L, is the manual is to be believed, keeps the old password (it just prefixes the column with ! instead of replacing it) |
| 00:27.28 | jelly-home | s/is/if/ |
| 00:27.42 | cafuego | jelly-home: nuffin wrong with that |
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| 00:28.27 | mercury_alive | Hello |
| 00:28.41 | mercury_alive | help help help i ********************** my debian :| |
| 00:28.45 | scanf | cafuego: thanks |
| 00:29.06 | MindUser11339 | hi all, who made his own unix kernel, and knows how i can boot a kernel.bin file???????? |
| 00:29.25 | nilko | mercury_alive: you what ? |
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| 00:29.46 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 00:29.48 | mercury_alive | i change the stable to unstable then try to install somethign about upgrade and then give one error adnd ow i dont have linux |
| 00:29.49 | mercury_alive | :\ |
| 00:29.54 | MindUser11339 | i linked the files, now i want to test, i got kernel.bin |
| 00:29.58 | MindUser11339 | how i boot it? |
| 00:29.59 | Shadowcat | cafuego confused him to the point of scaring him away |
| 00:30.07 | nilko | lol, mercury_alive reinstall stable |
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| 00:30.18 | cafuego | Stop blaming me |
| 00:30.23 | mercury_alive | nilko and how i do that o0 0o |
| 00:30.31 | jelly-home | MindUser11339: I'm not sure this is the correct channel for your inquiry. What unix? |
| 00:30.33 | mercury_alive | i dont have gnome now :\ |
| 00:30.39 | nilko | mercury_alive: with a netinstall for example |
| 00:30.41 | Shadowcat | !blame cafuego |
| 00:31.02 | Shadowcat | hah, lilo and cafuego, right on target |
| 00:31.06 | MindUser11339 | yea |
| 00:31.30 | MindUser11339 | anyone here did the tutorial on osdev.net? |
| 00:32.14 | mercury_alive | ? |
| 00:32.41 | mercury_alive | but if i install whth netinstall i dont lose the information i was there? |
| 00:32.52 | mercury_alive | cafuego :| |
| 00:32.55 | mercury_alive | ?! |
| 00:33.13 | jelly-home | sounded like an ancient unix where you had lots of binary modules and had to relink them every time into a new /kernel/genunix or something |
| 00:33.26 | nilko | mercury_alive: well, you can backup then... or try to solve the problem... first of all, WHAT is the error exactly ? |
| 00:33.47 | mercury_alive | nilko dont cames the gdm and anything :\ |
| 00:34.12 | jelly-home | nilko: translated: my X session isn't running. |
| 00:34.32 | mercury_alive | the gdm gnome disapear |
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| 00:34.44 | nilko | how i set to use one audio card by default and no my 2º card ? |
| 00:34.47 | nilko | lol jelly-home |
| 00:34.58 | jelly-home | mercury_alive: do you have a textual console? |
| 00:35.04 | nilko | mercury_alive: put a liveCD and use his xorg.conf configuration file generated |
| 00:35.39 | mercury_alive | jelly-home yes :\ |
| 00:36.56 | mercury_alive | nilko was just somethign about stable and unstable and now cant install everything and i stay whthout gnome |
| 00:36.57 | mercury_alive | :| |
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| 00:38.35 | nilko | mercury_alive: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE |
| 00:38.50 | mercury_alive | im on windows need to make reboot to try it :| |
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| 00:39.45 | nilko | mercury_alive: with windows you don't make very things usefull |
| 00:40.01 | mercury_alive | well no money to more then one pc lol |
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| 00:40.54 | nilko | mercury_alive: money ? for what ? |
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| 00:41.27 | pilgrim | Hi all. 33% of my RAM is being used right now. However 33% of my swap space is also being used. Why is this and how do I empty my swap as my ram hasn't reached 100% usage? |
| 00:41.45 | Stevie-O | you don't, pilgrim |
| 00:41.46 | mercury_alive | nilko i know but i use bouths :\ |
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| 00:42.04 | mercury_alive | but my os is linux to put my things |
| 00:42.06 | nilko | mercury_alive: i don't know anything useful on windows |
| 00:42.08 | txx2 | hello, I bought an sata II hard drive. It didn't come with any cables and of course I only have an IDE cable. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | #hardware ? |
| 00:42.22 | pilgrim | Stevie-O, why is it being used in the first place? |
| 00:42.23 | Stevie-O | furthermore, what makes you think only 33% of your RAM is being used? |
| 00:42.33 | peterS | pilgrim: you can empty your swap with 'swapoff /dev/whatever'. however, there is probably no point in doing this |
| 00:42.40 | epsilon | I have SoftRAID1 problem: I create with "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/hdb2", mkfs.xfs /dev/md0, reboot. But after reboot the raid is gone in /proc/mdstat, If I try to mount I get "mount: /dev/md0: can't read superblock" |
| 00:42.41 | mercury_alive | nilko well i dont like to be bad everything have good and bad stuff |
| 00:42.43 | epsilon | mdadm --examine on hdb2 shows there's a raid, but that's all... what's wrong? |
| 00:42.46 | Stevie-O | pilgrim: because believe it or not, swap is probably the best place for that memory to be |
| 00:42.54 | pilgrim | Stevie-O, gnome system monitro. |
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| 00:43.23 | Stevie-O | pilgrim: the rest of your memory is probably being used for file caching |
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| 00:43.31 | nilko | mercury_alive: widnows not has any good stuff... the only thing interessant is some programs to run -only- on windows |
| 00:43.50 | Stevie-O | While what's in swap is stuff that a program loaded into memory and isn't using (and thus would be wasting that memory if it wasn't swapped out) |
| 00:43.55 | peterS | pilgrim: your OS has made the decision that some of your application memory is being used so infrequently that it's better to swap it out to free up RAM for disk cache. you may think you know better than that, but you probably don't. |
| 00:43.56 | nilko | can anybody explain me how to i set one of my audio cards DEFAULT and no my 2º ? |
| 00:44.19 | Stevie-O | there's a a writeup on that |
| 00:44.20 | mercury_alive | nilko yes but i like to play games to and i get trouble sometimes using linux :| |
| 00:44.48 | pilgrim | Stevie-O, hmm. interesting...here is my theory. (I'm using ubuntu, btw). When I startup from a hibernation I get swap space being used, however when I start up from shutdown I don't, so I think there is maybe a bug with the suspend2swap thingie. |
| 00:44.52 | incubii | other then games the only thing i miss in linux is visio |
| 00:45.24 | pilgrim | incubii, interesting. |
| 00:45.26 | Stevie-O | pilgrim: no, it just means that those programs haven't used that memory since you suspended |
| 00:45.30 | Stevie-O | pilgrim: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | incubii: dia |
| 00:45.33 | pilgrim | incubii, tried dia? |
| 00:45.58 | pilgrim | Stevie-O, oh, I see! |
| 00:46.05 | incubii | ive tried it but its not there yet, getting better though |
| 00:46.32 | pilgrim | peterS, you probably right. |
| 00:46.34 | incubii | its fine as i just use vmplayer with windows2000 |
| 00:46.35 | incubii | :) |
| 00:46.49 | pilgrim | incubii, suggest improvement, please. |
| 00:46.53 | nilko | mercury_alive: send a email to the game developers saying how you sad are because you can't run his game on linux |
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| 00:47.04 | jelly-ho | pilgrim: when suspending, swsusp first tries to free up as much memory as possible to get the smallest image. Most of the applications turn up on swap. |
| 00:47.07 | magyar | ntpdate syncs the time only oce when the server is restarted, is there a utility that syncs the time with ntp server every hour let say? |
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| 00:47.20 | marco__ | Are there any helvetica font packages |
| 00:47.23 | pilgrim | incubii, probably lots of developers of don't use visio so they might not know what is expected. |
| 00:47.31 | mercury_alive | nilko i really like to use bouths :| |
| 00:47.35 | peterS | pilgrim: what's probably happening with suspend is that _all_ your RAM starts out in swap (that's how suspend works!) and some of it, apparently your apps haven't used since the machine woke up, so that swap is still in use. |
| 00:47.51 | mercury_alive | yes my litle pc os opensource |
| 00:47.52 | abrotman | i've used visio .. it's ok .. but i used it for network diagrams |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | something dia can easily do |
| 00:48.21 | jelly-ho | pilgrim: this is what you see after resume. By default kernel will swap in memory pages when they are referenced, but there are kernel patches that do proactive swap-in too. |
| 00:48.28 | pilgrim | abrotman, yeah, but it needs a lot of polishing and graphics are ugly. |
| 00:48.40 | abrotman | same as visio IMO |
| 00:48.53 | earthling | Dynamic MMap ran out of room error with synaptic. -o APT::Cache-Limit works on cli but added to apt.conf but it doesn't fix problem with synaptic.. help? |
| 00:49.01 | peterS | the free software world needs _real_ constraint-based CAD |
| 00:49.14 | peterS | never mind diagrams, I want an equivalent to CATIA or at least SolidWorks |
| 00:49.15 | incubii | can dia import visio icons ? |
| 00:49.17 | pilgrim | jelly-ho, the reason I'm even asking is that when I try to suspend 2-3 times without shutting down, it says no sufficient memory available. |
| 00:49.17 | DocOC | ok, after seeing some demo's, I'm forced to admit that XGL is cooler than I thought it was. |
| 00:49.19 | jelly-ho | peterS: tanstaafl? |
| 00:49.33 | abrotman | peterS: use a pencil! |
| 00:49.33 | pilgrim | jelly-ho, so I imagine something is screwing up. |
| 00:49.40 | peterS | jelly-ho: free software has the best email clients in the world, the best web browsers in the world. I think it can be done. |
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| 00:49.47 | mercury_alive | nilko and to you know i allready send one email to one big company complain aout the linux drivers |
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| 00:49.52 | jelly-ho | pilgrim: that's another problem, yes. |
| 00:50.07 | marco__ | Are there any helvetica font packages |
| 00:50.10 | marco__ | for Debian? |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | didn't you ask that last night ? |
| 00:50.18 | terminal|giga | anyone use export CC=gcc-4.0 to build the nvidia drivers for etch and then on the reboot have the driver not work? |
| 00:50.38 | peterS | jelly-ho: granted, cad is a lot more complex than rendering web pages. I wish I had time to work on real CAD, the efforts I've seen so far seem to completely miss the point, as though they're written by people who have never used the nice, pricey proprietary versions |
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| 00:51.04 | jelly-ho | marco__: there are lookalikes (arial in msttcorefonts for example), not sure about real helvetica. |
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| 00:51.12 | nilko | mercury_alive: well, this is what we need to make :) more = better... look how all is changing slowly ;) |
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| 00:51.20 | peterS | jelly-ho: like, imagine writing the Gimp having only ever seen MS Paint, never having seen Photoshop. you miss out on all the _good_ ideas. that's the feeling I get from current free software CAD |
| 00:51.41 | mercury_alive | nilko and i ask my oney back because of that |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | abandon #debian .. write CAD software! |
| 00:52.03 | DocOC | so, quick question: which 3d graphics chipsets are best natively supported by linux these days, and are likely to continue to have good support? |
| 00:52.08 | jelly-ho | peterS: what can I say, write it then tell us all about it. ;-) |
| 00:52.15 | peterS | abrotman: I should, I really should. I _know_ what needs to be done, I'm just not sure if I'd be up to it even if I had the time :/ |
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| 00:52.39 | abrotman | peterS: make a wishlist! |
| 00:52.40 | peterS | DocOC: Intel motherboard graphics, by leaps and bounds |
| 00:52.40 | terminal|giga | DocOC, nvidia |
| 00:52.43 | jelly-ho | brb |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | peterS: couldn't you build on top of something else ? |
| 00:52.51 | peterS | DocOC: they're the only ones who support free software _at all_ in 3D space |
| 00:53.05 | DocOC | peterS: that's what I assumed with very little actual knowledge or research of my own. |
| 00:53.12 | peterS | abrotman: maybe, it may be possible to use bits of existing efforts and build a whole new frontend. I'm not sure. |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | peterS: can we use Blender for CAD? :) |
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| 00:53.43 | earthling | synaptic error 'dynamic MMap ran out of room' -o APT::Cache-Limit=<big number> on cli works but added it to apt.conf and synaptic STILL errors with the same error. Any suggetions? |
| 00:53.43 | peterS | abrotman: it's a different sort of problem. but I also haven't looked at blender to see if any of it looks like it can be reused for cad. |
| 00:53.50 | xbmodder_lappy | How do I compile samba without smbd/nsswitch? |
| 00:53.56 | DocOC | terminal|giga: even I' who gave up on 3d years ago, know better than that. |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | peterS: i was joking .. i'm sure you could use it .. but i don't think it's exacting enough |
| 00:54.07 | peterS | DocOC: now, nvidia and ati both _have_ 3D drivers for free software systems, but those drivers are anything but free, so you seriously can't count on them in the future |
| 00:54.41 | peterS | abrotman: still and all, there are things that Maya/3DS/Blender have in common with 3D CAD systems. it may be possible to reuse some of it. |
| 00:54.43 | mercury_alive | well lets try to recover my linux :| |
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| 00:54.59 | abrotman | peterS: it could be fun! :) |
| 00:55.01 | Stevie-O | I'm wondering if any card maker will eventually come out with an open-source driver with 3D acceleration |
| 00:55.08 | pilgrim | Stevie-O, is there any blogs that deal with linux-under the hood kind of like that page you mentioned on swap memory? I'm not asking google for this because...I trust you more than pagerank. |
| 00:55.09 | abrotman | Stevie-O: intel? |
| 00:55.10 | jelly-home | mercury_alive: do you have anything important on it? |
| 00:55.28 | Stevie-O | pilgrim: dunno |
| 00:55.32 | Stevie-O | abrotman: Intel? |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | intel! |
| 00:55.37 | jelly-home | mercury_alive: as was already said, easiest thing is to reinstall |
| 00:55.42 | Stevie-O | Intel makes cards? |
| 00:55.43 | earthling | sbmoddler_lappy: run ./configure --help and look to see something like --(with/enable/disable)-something and see if it will even liet you do it |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 00:55.52 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 00:55.53 | peterS | Stevie-O: Intel supports full 3D accel for their graphics chips. it's just too bad that their only form factor is being part of a motherboard |
| 00:55.59 | Stevie-O | oh, integrated stuff |
| 00:56.13 | Stevie-O | yeah, I'd need a mobo that had DVI on it |
| 00:56.23 | Stevie-O | altho those do exist |
| 00:56.35 | peterS | I bet there are mobos with DVI with an Intel 945 or whatever chip |
| 00:56.39 | jelly-home | Stevie-O: free drivers for radeon RV2x0 are decent. |
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| 00:57.23 | Stevie-O | although I must admit, I am impressed with Intel's ability to supply us with datasheets for their chips |
| 00:57.25 | infernix | there's mini-itx with intel 915 and vga+dvi |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | Stevie-O: more than datasheets |
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| 00:58.06 | Stevie-O | Whenever I need to know if a Dell will take certain memory, I can pull up the spec sheet for the chipset and see what densities the north bridge supports |
| 00:58.09 | jelly-home | 915's performance is nothing to write home about, though |
| 00:58.14 | terminal|giga | Malagmyr, yo? |
| 00:58.15 | infernix | they are rather new (pci-express); i hope to get my hands on one in a few weeks. |
| 00:58.24 | DocOC | peterS: do the current Intel Extreme Graphics 2 onboard video are well supported? |
| 00:58.34 | infernix | correct but intel is not a 3D performance leader, simple as that |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | jelly-ho: depends what you use it for |
| 00:58.41 | peterS | DocOC: they will be in x.org 7.1, I understand |
| 00:58.42 | mercury_alive | jelly-home the problem is backups im linux newbie :| i will try thanks for all nilko :) |
| 00:58.44 | infernix | its fine for many simple opengl apps tho |
| 00:58.48 | peterS | DocOC: I'm not sure if they are already |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: it far exceeds my needs .. and i'm not even 9xx |
| 00:58.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/*, anything linked to libgl.so ;-) |
| 00:58.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: works perfectly fine |
| 00:59.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: lavalite is slow. ;-) |
| 00:59.14 | DocOC | ok, well maybe it's time for a new desktop machine. |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: not on mine |
| 00:59.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: hm. maybe the laptop graphics are crippled more than desktop ones? |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | jelly-home: yeah .. if only mine weren't a laptop :) |
| 01:00.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: I get about 8-12 fps on lavalite |
| 01:01.00 | abrotman | do i have to run it? |
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| 01:01.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes you do :-> |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: does it show fps ? |
| 01:01.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/lavalite -fps |
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| 01:01.52 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 01:03.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: wtf does it display it ? |
| 01:03.49 | DocOC | I have to say, though, after checking out some demos, xgl actually looks better than osx's ui. |
| 01:03.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: huh? because of -fps option? |
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| 01:05.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: no .. i mean .. where does it show the FPS ? |
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| 01:05.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: hmm, i see it at the bottom. |
| 01:05.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: if only i could resize it without it segfaulting :) |
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| 01:05.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: try to move the window up. ;-) |
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| 01:06.37 | abrotman | crashing! |
| 01:07.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: we'll that's even worse than here, crashing = 0 fps |
| 01:07.24 | abrotman | fucking shit |
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| 01:07.28 | DocOC | I'm getting 5.5 fps with indirect. |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | it's only when i resize it .. |
| 01:07.33 | Werdna | hi there. |
| 01:07.39 | abrotman | when i let it run .. ti's fine |
| 01:07.40 | DocOC | abrotman: so, try moving it up with alt-click. |
| 01:07.41 | r_marvin | hi, i can't get the kernel to recognize my battery and ac_adapter devices (are they called that?). fan, cpu and thermalzone seem ok, though. any idea? |
| 01:07.49 | Werdna | my debian box is running out of memory and I can't figure out why. |
| 01:08.02 | Werdna | how can I find out what processes are using the most memory? |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | prove it! |
| 01:08.12 | r_marvin | Werdna: top, M, and start looking for culprits |
| 01:08.19 | Stevie-O | perl -le '(`/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list $_`=~/libgl/)&&print for@ARGV' /usr/lib/xscreensaver/* |
| 01:08.27 | Stevie-O | voila |
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| 01:08.34 | Werdna | r_marvin, don't understand what you're telling me to do. |
| 01:08.39 | Werdna | r_marvin, what command? |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: have you noticed that if you rotate the lava lite .. it still goes "up" ? |
| 01:08.42 | Guerin | Werdna: top |
| 01:08.46 | r_marvin | run "top", press "M" |
| 01:08.50 | Guerin | then hit shift-m |
| 01:09.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes, you effectively move the camera. |
| 01:09.21 | Werdna | okay, thanks. |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 01:09.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: just for fun, try adding -root, should be able to see the fps in bottom left corner then |
| 01:10.15 | nilko | aparently NOBODY has 2 audio cards :/ |
| 01:10.23 | Stevie-O | why the hell would I have 2 audio cards? |
| 01:10.26 | jelly-home | nilko: I suggest #alsa or something. |
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| 01:10.37 | abrotman | jelly-home: sure .. why not .. how much worse can it get :) |
| 01:10.38 | Stevie-O | i only got 2 ears, and the card I have like 6 outputs |
| 01:10.45 | pekuja | is there a way to do something similar to "apt-get build-dep" with aptitude? |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: it forgets to display it |
| 01:10.52 | mzilikazi | hmm i have 2 sound cards |
| 01:10.57 | Guerin | i have two |
| 01:11.02 | Guerin | but they're not both in the one machine |
| 01:11.06 | nilko | jelly-home: #alsa is died |
| 01:11.06 | zinx | nilko: just keep telling yourself that |
| 01:11.07 | DocOC | abrotman: so, what fps are you getting? |
| 01:11.08 | Guerin | that would be stupid |
| 01:11.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh well, time to do something more usful then. |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | DocOC: pay attention .. KEEPS CRASHING! |
| 01:11.35 | jelly-home | nilko: do they use the same driver? |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: do any others meansure ? |
| 01:11.45 | nilko | jelly-home: no, are diferent cards |
| 01:11.50 | mzilikazi | ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 1010LT & NVidia CK8S with ALC850 both working |
| 01:11.52 | DocOC | abrotman: hmm, and alt-clicking to drag it up also crashes it? |
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| 01:12.02 | abrotman | everything crashes it |
| 01:12.07 | DocOC | eek. |
| 01:12.14 | jelly-home | nilko: I see 43 people on #alsa, and you are not there. |
| 01:12.15 | Guerin | nilko: edit /etc/modules and put #0's module above #1s |
| 01:12.37 | Guerin | nilko: or you could swap the cards in their slots, but that's a crude way |
| 01:12.41 | nilko | jelly-home: i have tried some hours before... but only enter persons with a question and exit... |
| 01:12.49 | jelly-home | nilko: did you take a look at the wiki / faq? |
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| 01:12.50 | UsheR4e`offline | hi all |
| 01:12.51 | UsheR4e`offline | :} |
| 01:13.15 | nilko | Guerin: adding my 1º card to i want to are the default, on the first line ? |
| 01:13.24 | Guerin | nilko: yeah. |
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| 01:13.28 | Leonardo_ | hi |
| 01:13.36 | Leonardo_ | how can i see the fps with glxgears? |
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| 01:14.05 | abrotman | Leonardo_: -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 01:14.11 | Guerin | nilko: i *think* which card's module gets loaded first determines the default. That said, there's probably a way to set it in alsa. |
| 01:14.35 | jelly-home | nilko: /etc/modules is a crude workaround but should work. I bet "alias snd-preferred snd-card-0" and "alias snd-second snd-card-1" somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d/, assuming you have a 2.6 kernel, would work too. |
| 01:14.51 | Leonardo_ | thanks a lot abrotman |
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| 01:15.12 | nilko | hum |
| 01:15.13 | zinx | psh |
| 01:15.21 | zinx | there's a module option to set the index |
| 01:15.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: still not telling people about -printfps :-) |
| 01:15.34 | zinx | i'm sure it's in a faq somewhere |
| 01:15.38 | embrik | trying to build my own mplayer. how do i install programmes like SDL, libjpg, libpng... if I can't use apt-get on them? |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: i do sometimes :) |
| 01:15.49 | zinx | jelly: -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark is more fun |
| 01:15.52 | Guerin | embrik: you can. |
| 01:15.58 | jelly-home | zinx: naturally |
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| 01:16.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: at least i'm not saying .. strings `which fps` :) |
| 01:16.04 | abrotman | erm |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: at least i'm not saying .. strings `which glxgears` :) |
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| 01:16.26 | embrik | Guerin: haven't got the right line in repository then? |
| 01:16.39 | Guerin | embrik: well, libjpg and such are in debian |
| 01:16.45 | jelly-home | nilko don't know not have to restart X to reload sound modules |
| 01:16.49 | Guerin | embrik: so I don't know what your problem is |
| 01:17.06 | infernix | hm. this TCL app looks really ugly; the fonts dont seem to get anti aliased, and it doesnt adhere gtk themes (probably obvious). can anything be done about this or is that inherent with the use of tcl/tk apps? I'm talking about amsn specifically here |
| 01:17.23 | Guerin | tcl is ugly |
| 01:17.29 | Guerin | that's just a fact of life |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | dude .. it's tcl |
| 01:17.42 | Stevie-O | Guerin:amen brotha |
| 01:17.54 | jelly-home | infernix: hm, did you see _any_ tcl app with antialiased fonts? Is this a tcl/tk app? |
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| 01:18.29 | embrik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.35 | infernix | amsn is. let me try some more though. |
| 01:18.41 | DocOC | stfu guys, my mom is named TCL/TK |
| 01:18.45 | Guerin | !tell embrik about search |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | DocOC: she sucks |
| 01:19.18 | zinx | DocOC: is she hott? |
| 01:19.36 | Guerin | she can't do utf-8 |
| 01:19.42 | DocOC | zinx: no, I hate to say, she reneders fonts terribly :( |
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| 01:19.46 | Stevie-O | Guerin: haha |
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| 01:20.03 | petriborg | hot like a null pointer |
| 01:20.17 | DocOC | drop it like it's a null pointer? |
| 01:20.50 | petriborg | i figured it out, she's objective-C!!! |
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| 01:21.05 | DocOC | then she'd be hot. |
| 01:21.21 | Guerin | objectionable C> |
| 01:21.25 | petriborg | hah |
| 01:21.34 | Stevie-O | shouldn't she be B? |
| 01:21.43 | Stevie-O | as in oB-< |
| 01:21.59 | jelly-home | that a B cup? |
| 01:22.01 | petriborg | objective-C lets you call functions from a null pointer (aka drops them) |
| 01:22.09 | peterS | petriborg: don't objectify DocOC's mom |
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| 01:22.17 | Stevie-O | jelly: no, it's a pair of D cups |
| 01:22.30 | petriborg | jelly, i'm thinking those are like EE cup... they are bigger then her head lol |
| 01:22.47 | Guerin | look how short a time it takes for any conversation to degenerate |
| 01:22.59 | peterS | yeah, take it to -ot, folks |
| 01:23.00 | jelly-home | petriborg: you use a strange font. |
| 01:23.03 | petriborg | good work guerin! you win the prize |
| 01:23.12 | infernix | well the reason im trying amsn is that i really dont like gaim. it gives switchboard errors on msn alot. any other alternatives that might come to mind? |
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| 01:23.16 | Guerin | i'm a born winnah |
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| 01:23.23 | Stevie-O | I considered it to already have been be degenerated when I chimed in. |
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| 01:23.28 | Guerin | now I have to go and win a news analysis test |
| 01:23.28 | petriborg | jelly, its just gaim's default font which is like geneva or something |
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| 01:23.52 | Guerin | my prize is not failing the damn course, if I do indeed manage to win this particular lottery |
| 01:23.53 | Stevie-O | better'n being pissed on, Werdna |
| 01:23.53 | abrotman | Werdna: it's just RAM! |
| 01:23.57 | Guerin | it all hinges on which questions the prof sets us |
| 01:24.02 | Werdna | My apt says: Reading Package Lists... Error! // E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room // E: Read error - read (14 Bad address) // - So much for super cow powers |
| 01:24.10 | simonrvn | !dynamic mmap |
| 01:24.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
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| 01:24.33 | Stevie-O | why use aptitude? |
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| 01:24.57 | DocOC | Stevie-O: because it's null pointer. |
| 01:25.01 | DocOC | I mean, hot. |
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| 01:25.14 | Werdna | Is there a reason why you do that? |
| 01:25.29 | Werdna | I swear that's got to be something evil. |
| 01:25.38 | Werdna | now I'm hitting File size limit exceeded 0% |
| 01:25.46 | five0 | hi guys, where are the base packages stored during a sarge installation? |
| 01:25.52 | Stevie-O | Stop exceeding 0% of the file size then |
| 01:25.58 | abrotman | five0: on the CD ? |
| 01:26.04 | Stevie-O | also |
| 01:26.10 | Werdna | Stevie-O, ? |
| 01:26.13 | Stevie-O | why did nobody comment on my awesome use of perl-fu |
| 01:26.20 | petriborg | corrupted something? |
| 01:26.22 | five0 | /v/c/a/a doesn't contain the packages gathered from the netinstall |
| 01:26.24 | infernix | sigh. tcl 8.5 has antialiased fonts for X windows |
| 01:26.32 | Stevie-O | for finding opengl screensavers |
| 01:26.39 | Werdna | oh ffs |
| 01:26.50 | Werdna | Now I've lost my vpn connection. |
| 01:26.51 | five0 | abrotman: during a netinst, are they retained? |
| 01:26.53 | Werdna | that can't be good. |
| 01:26.53 | lunaphyte | where is the proper place for a static route i'd like active upon boot? |
| 01:27.00 | DocOC | Stevie-O: come up with some nice sh-fu, and I'll cheer for you. |
| 01:27.03 | Werdna | this started when I reinstalled php last night. |
| 01:27.04 | abrotman | five0: uh .. not sure .. ask #debian-boot |
| 01:27.09 | five0 | :/ |
| 01:27.14 | petriborg | werdna i'm sorry your box is now a smoldering pile :-) |
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| 01:27.32 | DocOC | five0: try /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:27.32 | Stevie-O | DocOC: hold on |
| 01:27.39 | petriborg | i always new php could cause hardware damage, now we have proof! |
| 01:27.40 | aardvarq | K so I am putting debian on some USB storage devices, but I am having a very very particular issue with grub. |
| 01:27.42 | Werdna | vpn is back up |
| 01:27.53 | five0 | DocOC: they're not present |
| 01:28.04 | jelly-home | lunaphyte: I put mine in post-up under the card config, this is probaly not canonical though. |
| 01:28.14 | aardvarq | On the USB devices which report themselves to the BIOS as "fixed" hard drives, everything is dandy. Grub works great. |
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| 01:28.47 | aardvarq | On the USB devices which report themselves to the BIOS as "removable" floppy drives, grub locks up after displaying "GRUB". |
| 01:28.51 | lunaphyte | jelly-home: sounds reasonable. |
| 01:28.51 | petriborg | all right i'm having a brain fart, what is the C function to convert strings to int/long |
| 01:28.52 | five0 | DocOC: essentially, i'd like to reuse them for batch-deployment. I'd like to create a structured mirror of what little packages i have and host it on a local server |
| 01:28.53 | DocOC | jelly-home: that's where I was going to suggest... |
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| 01:29.13 | aardvarq | If I reformat the device with no partition table, grub works, but of course the kernel panicks when I try to mount /dev/sda as / |
| 01:29.23 | aardvarq | Anyone know of a solution to this? |
| 01:29.44 | petriborg | grub doesn't want to let you partition the drive? |
| 01:29.57 | aardvarq | Right, because it is a "floppy" drive. |
| 01:30.11 | aardvarq | A 30 gigabyte floppy IDE drive in a USB enclosure. |
| 01:30.19 | DocOC | five0: I'm sure you could re-download the packages you have installed. |
| 01:30.24 | zinx | grub has to be installed on a device that has a partition |
| 01:30.44 | zinx | it is designed specificly for machines with an x86 partition table |
| 01:30.47 | aardvarq | If there is no partition table and I use /dev/sda directly as the filesystem, it works fine, and boots fine, but panics on boot. Plus I _WANT_ partitions. |
| 01:30.47 | Stevie-O | aye. ya need a partition table |
| 01:30.58 | aardvarq | .... Sigh. |
| 01:30.58 | Stevie-O | well then |
| 01:31.01 | five0 | DocOC: i'm sure of it too. it would be a waste of bandwidth if they're already on my system |
| 01:31.02 | Stevie-O | obviously you don't need a partition table |
| 01:31.07 | zinx | it will corrupt the first block of the filesystem if there's no partition table. |
| 01:31.15 | aardvarq | I don't mean to be ungrateful, but it would be more efficient if you read everything I wrote. :) |
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| 01:31.27 | DocOC | five0: I'm pretty sure that if they are on your system, they would be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:31.32 | aardvarq | The USB devices that report themseves as fixed work fine. |
| 01:31.34 | Werdna | man.. this is not a healthy box. |
| 01:31.34 | zinx | aardvarq: :/ |
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| 01:31.42 | Werdna | keeps dropping off the air. |
| 01:31.42 | aardvarq | The USB devices that report themselves as removable do not work fine. |
| 01:31.50 | aardvarq | In order to make them work, I have to have no partition table. |
| 01:31.52 | zinx | aardvarq: the kernel won't scan for a partition table on those |
| 01:31.58 | aardvarq | I am not describing a solution, I am describing a symptom. |
| 01:32.11 | five0 | DocOC: right, i mentioned /v/c/a/a very early on; it's not there |
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| 01:32.22 | five0 | DocOC: thanks anyway |
| 01:33.00 | DocOC | five0: anyway, bandwidth is there to be wasted. I download stuff just to delete it all the time :) |
| 01:33.01 | aardvarq | It's the simple old problem of the BIOS's opionion of what is "fixed" and what is "removable" is different from linux's. |
| 01:33.17 | aardvarq | If the USB devices report themselves as "fixed" to the BIOS, then all is well. |
| 01:33.28 | aardvarq | But if they report themselves as removable, and have a partition table, grub dies. |
| 01:33.32 | zinx | aardvarq: FAT has a spot for a boot sector |
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| 01:33.48 | Marupa | Hi, could someone help me figure out how to get dual monitors working? |
| 01:33.59 | jelly-home | aardvarq: so it's grub that is at fault |
| 01:34.01 | zinx | aardvarq: you may have to do some magic with grub so it *only* overwrites that, however |
| 01:34.09 | aardvarq | And if they report themselves as removable, and don't have a partition table, grub likes it fine (looks like a floppy), but linux sees a hard drive and chokes when trying to find /. |
| 01:34.11 | lavi | Hi, how can i set the depths of tty history so that I can see the content whatever I wanna get? |
| 01:34.27 | five0 | DocOC: I'd abuse it too, were it not for bandwidth-caps :) |
| 01:34.40 | aardvarq | Yes. It's not debian at all, except that I am using debian and hoped someone else would have already travelled this path. |
| 01:34.45 | aardvarq | It's also not linux. |
| 01:34.50 | aardvarq | (the kernel) |
| 01:34.52 | aardvarq | It is grub. |
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| 01:35.07 | Stevie-O | DocOC: for x in /usr/lib/xscreensaver/*; do echo -en "$x\t"; /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list $x | tr '\n' ' '; echo; done | grep libgl | cut -f 1 |
| 01:35.29 | aardvarq | Grub looks for partition tables on hard drives, and does not on floppies. So the thing that is a hard drive, but looks like a floppy, is killing grub since it has a partition table. |
| 01:35.36 | lavi | as we know, when we switch the tty(Command line), the contents of screen only save one piece of. |
| 01:35.39 | jelly-home | aardvarq: I'd suggest flashing to a newer bios, but I suspet that's the first thing you looked for. |
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| 01:36.18 | Stevie-O | Or find out how to convince grub you know better than it does. Which shouldn't seem that difficult. |
| 01:36.23 | aardvarq | jelly-home: yeah. That and my understanding (although very much incomplete) seems to point to me having to flash the firmware on the USB device. |
| 01:36.30 | Stevie-O | uhm |
| 01:36.32 | Stevie-O | ew |
| 01:36.35 | aardvarq | (so that it says it is fixed, not removable, to the BIOS, at boot) |
| 01:37.39 | aardvarq | Stevie-O: well the trick there would be doing something like "root (fd0,0)" (first partition of first floppy). But that results in a syntax error, invalid device ID. |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | i want wings |
| 01:37.41 | five0 | what's the name of the tool that allows one to create a structured repository of packages in /var/cache/apt/archives for mirroring purposes? |
| 01:37.53 | lavi | Its meaning when the outputing contents great then one screen, how can i remain a lot of them after I switch to other console? |
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| 01:38.45 | aardvarq | Apparently grub only likes (fd0), (fd1), (fd2) etc. If it starts with an f, it can't have a partition ID. |
| 01:38.46 | lavi | switch to anothe console and return the original. |
| 01:39.26 | lavi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.37 | aardvarq | Although google found for me a newsgroup posting which claims that lilo doesn't care. So I'll try switching to lilo. :( |
| 01:39.51 | DocOC | five0: apt-ftparchive? |
| 01:40.12 | abrotman | !repository |
| 01:40.12 | dpkg | i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 01:40.30 | lavi | anyone can give me a hand/ |
| 01:40.51 | aardvarq | jelly-home: a smart enough device and a smart enough BIOS with legacy turned on will make it transparent enough that lilo can think it's on a local IDE and work fine. |
| 01:41.22 | five0 | DocOC: doesn't sound familiar. The tool i had in mind was created specifically for said purpose. It's name eludes me though :( |
| 01:41.30 | aardvarq | At least for devices that say they're fixed drives. I dunno about those that say they're removable. But that's my problem! |
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| 01:46.12 | stylz | hello all |
| 01:46.57 | stylz | my dhcp is not leasing clients in different subnet |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | because it's a different subnet? |
| 01:47.56 | nilko | Guerin: Snake-Eyes, after around 15 reboots of tests with /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/sound and alsaconf... it ignore me totally, is set by default a random audio card |
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| 01:48.00 | stylz | yes, but i can reach that subnet |
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| 01:48.56 | stylz | abrotman: is any place I can post dhcp.conf so you can see whats wrong |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:49.12 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 01:49.51 | xored | how can i let every incoming request likq control.* on my domains go to a specific page ? |
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| 01:50.35 | sbarn | hello everyone, having some trouble. running apache2 and installed php4 and libapache2-mod-php4. i even enabled the application type in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 01:50.47 | sbarn | I get this error when i try and restart apache2 after configuring squirrelmail: Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 01:52.15 | petriborg | keep in mind i know nothing about apache2, but does any other php stuff work or is it just squirrelmail that has problems? |
| 01:52.26 | saw8 | I have a question, I would like to set up a Linux box for my folks, but they need an AOL dialer, does anyone know if penggy still works with the current aol |
| 01:52.51 | sbarn | petriborg: I don't know I just set this server up |
| 01:53.57 | petriborg | well i guess your choices are look for an error in your configuration of php or try a hello-world type php script |
| 01:54.37 | sbarn | theres no module that says anything about php in mods-available or mods-enabled |
| 01:54.40 | sbarn | should there be? |
| 01:55.05 | petriborg | no idea, i know nothing about apache2 |
| 01:55.37 | petriborg | i seem to remember the enabling of modules to be pretty simple though |
| 01:56.04 | petriborg | its been years since i touched it that stuff |
| 01:56.08 | r_marvin | what is the recommended way to patch the debian kernel? i want to add a patch in an easy-to-reproduce-on-future-kernels-from-apt way |
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| 02:03.18 | K`zan | Hi folks, just got through installing deb on my ancient laptop and am trying to configure apt sources and every one of them fails (about 10 or so stepping through the US sites and a couple in Canada), what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:03.32 | K`zan | Well, I am finishing up the install at this point. |
| 02:03.38 | brick | time to read the errors |
| 02:04.27 | K`zan | "Failed to access the Debian Archive...." minor variations are the site it tried to access - I can ping out so I don't have network problems. |
| 02:04.52 | K`zan | Are there any working Debian archives? |
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| 02:05.31 | K`zan | Nothing in dmesg... |
| 02:05.34 | Marupa | Hey, could someone tell me if my Ezonics webcam works with linux? it found it as an audio device. |
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| 02:07.23 | embrik | I am told to make a symling to gcc-3.4 in usr/bin. How do i do that? Anybody? |
| 02:07.36 | embrik | symlink |
| 02:07.50 | petriborg | anyone know where in /proc the psinfo lives? |
| 02:07.55 | K`zan | ln -s {to} {from} |
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| 02:08.00 | brick | K`zan, you are probably asking for an obsolete URL... look up what version is current |
| 02:08.48 | K`zan | brick: Well, OK, this is the DVD I downloaded last night, so I would *think* it should have at least one that works (31r2 on the ISO). |
| 02:09.37 | K`zan | debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 02:10.21 | embrik | anybody who can explain what a symlink is? I gues the link must have a target like an ordinary link. How can I find the path to gcc-3.4 wich I am suposed to link to? |
| 02:10.41 | Nurbs | memic: why are you supposed to do that? |
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| 02:11.27 | Nurbs | to compile software with gcc-3.4 instead of the current default gcc you should in most cases apt-get install gcc-3.4 and export CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 02:11.39 | echostorm | ok that apperently worked thanx a ton for your help |
| 02:11.42 | K`zan | I'll go back and finish up the http list of apt sites to see of any of them work before going through that with ftp sites. |
| 02:12.16 | echostorm | i also set sudo chmod -R 0777 /media/storage |
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| 02:13.03 | echostorm | and used the flags rw,user |
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| 02:14.52 | zood | I can mount my Coolpix camera with `mount /media/usb/`. But with my Powershot A75 I get "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device". Where should I look for a fix? |
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| 02:14.59 | K`zan | Nope, every one of them fails to fetch, oh well :-(. |
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| 02:15.34 | K`zan | Looks like I live with a raw base system. |
| 02:16.14 | embrik | Nurbs: I did as you told me. it took me one step further. This is what happened now (I'm trying to configure lame) |
| 02:16.18 | K`zan | shutdown -h now |
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| 02:16.29 | embrik | Nurbs: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 02:17.05 | karsten | embrik: Google is your friend. |
| 02:17.12 | karsten | embrik: WRT symlinks. |
| 02:17.53 | embrik | Karsten: time for bed, don't you think? |
| 02:18.45 | waiting | ack |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | zood: try just /dev/sda |
| 02:19.33 | Nurbs | embrik: weird. try installing build-essential |
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| 02:20.22 | Bogaurd | I'm having some trouble with CUPS - i've installed and got cups working correctly, i can print test pages from the web interface, but when i try to print something using 'lpr' or via samba, nothing happens... the job goes into the 'lpq' queue, but doesnt show up in the CUPS joblist, and doesnt print. Any ideas? |
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| 02:22.40 | embrik | nurbs: Build-essential installed, didn't help. Karsten tld me I should read about symlinks. i just did. I've misunderstood the command |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
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| 02:25.22 | Nurbs | hm |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | good answer! |
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| 02:28.25 | zood | abrotman: "mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device" |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 02:30.48 | zood | abrotman: nothing is returned |
| 02:30.59 | abrotman | as root? |
| 02:31.05 | zood | yah |
| 02:31.07 | abrotman | does your system even see it? |
| 02:31.17 | zood | in dmesg yes |
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| 02:31.51 | abrotman | what does it say? |
| 02:31.53 | zood | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 4 |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | uh .. does it give it a drive? |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 02:32.07 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 02:33.31 | Jbirk | Hello |
| 02:33.44 | Jbirk | How do I install rpm packages in Debian? |
| 02:33.52 | Jbirk | I mean it appears I can only install .deb files |
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| 02:34.34 | name | Jbirk: apt-get install rpm |
| 02:34.46 | abrotman | !alien |
| 02:34.46 | dpkg | [alien] a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 02:34.54 | name | rpm ok :) |
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| 02:36.25 | Jbirk | well I tried rpm -i |
| 02:36.27 | Jbirk | got an error |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | use alien .. |
| 02:36.43 | Jbirk | How do I use alien? |
| 02:36.44 | petriborg | gag me with a spoon /proc is a crap interface sometimes for linux |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | Jbirk: man alien |
| 02:37.06 | zinx | what rpm do you want to install? |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | Jbirk: it's actually pretty simpel .. but i haven't done it in quite some time |
| 02:37.12 | Jbirk | gaim |
| 02:37.27 | Jbirk | It won't compile either |
| 02:37.27 | zinx | why don't you install the debianized version of gaim instead? |
| 02:37.27 | sbarn | ok im trying to install a mail server and am completely confused on how to setup uw-imapd. what do I put for the imap server url and stuff? nothing seems to be working |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | eh .. gaim is in debian |
| 02:37.35 | Jbirk | oh |
| 02:37.41 | zinx | it's in the main repository, even |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | oh? |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:38.10 | Jbirk | Woiw |
| 02:38.11 | CompWizrd | i wish you could block the AOL system notice thing in GAIM |
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| 02:38.19 | Jbirk | what notice? |
| 02:38.26 | abrotman | i wish you could get everyone on jabber .. |
| 02:38.31 | petriborg | heeee haw /proc is broken for for stime |
| 02:38.53 | CompWizrd | Jbirk: the one that says you're logged in more than once |
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| 02:39.11 | Jbirk | Oh that stupid thing |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | so don't login more than once? |
| 02:39.22 | Jbirk | that only happens when I get disconnected or something |
| 02:39.28 | sbarn | also I have no idea whats wrong..everytime i visit a php page hosted on my server firfox comes up w/a opening/save to disk dialog |
| 02:39.39 | sbarn | i dont understand cuz i enabled the x-application php or whatever i believe |
| 02:39.40 | Jbirk | Is Ubuntu a Debian ripoff? |
| 02:39.50 | Jbirk | I installed Webmin on it and it says I am running Debian |
| 02:39.56 | Jenkens | ahaha |
| 02:40.01 | Jenkens | go ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:40.13 | Jbirk | okay |
| 02:40.14 | Jenkens | !ubuntu |
| 02:40.15 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 02:40.41 | petriborg | i would count down to kick time but the time would be counting to zero |
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| 02:41.02 | abrotman | probably wrap around .. go to the negative numbers :) |
| 02:41.16 | petriborg | buffer underflow? |
| 02:41.21 | sbarn | anyone? |
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| 02:41.42 | abrotman | sbarn: clear the browser cache .. restart it .. try again |
| 02:42.12 | sbarn | abrotman: restart what..the server? |
| 02:42.19 | petriborg | ok seriously, what fucking genius decided it would be a good idea to recalculate stime every time proc gets updated wtf |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | the browser |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | petriborg: probably someone with a PhD :) |
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| 02:43.06 | n1ck0 | hello french here ? :p |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | !fr |
| 02:43.10 | dpkg | [fr] Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
| 02:43.15 | petriborg | yeah well they can put that in their bong and smoke it |
| 02:43.27 | petriborg | cause they screwed this up good |
| 02:43.40 | petriborg | apparently initd started at clock time "78" |
| 02:43.55 | petriborg | and my vim session started at clock time "3" |
| 02:43.59 | petriborg | good one guys! |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | are you using a 4bit computer? |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | ermm 8bit :) |
| 02:44.45 | abrotman | apparently i should be in bed :) |
| 02:44.46 | n1ck0 | ?? celeron coppermine 566 me :'( |
| 02:44.52 | petriborg | i think it might be 7 bit :-) |
| 02:45.01 | abrotman | running with a 15bit video card eh? |
| 02:45.04 | abrotman | (pieces of crap) |
| 02:45.19 | sbarn | abrotman: nope, when I do that the opening dialog box still comes up like i was trying to download the php file. and when i remove the addapplication from apache2.conf it just shows the php code/file itself |
| 02:45.24 | n1ck0 | band of geeks !!! :p |
| 02:45.51 | abrotman | sbarn: make sure the module is enabled with a2enmod |
| 02:46.09 | sbarn | abrotman: how do I do that |
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| 02:46.37 | abrotman | sbarn: did you install libapache2-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php5? |
| 02:46.46 | sbarn | abrotman: php4 |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | sbarn: did you install libapache2-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php5? |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | yes or no? |
| 02:47.02 | sbarn | dont know what debians freakin problem is..dont know how it could mess this up |
| 02:47.09 | sbarn | yes i installed libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 02:48.02 | abrotman | that should be all you need to do |
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| 02:48.25 | haga | is it possible to hook up my PCI wireless and get it working? |
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| 02:48.43 | abrotman | it is possible |
| 02:48.46 | diesel | haga: yes. |
| 02:48.55 | triplc | hello every one |
| 02:49.13 | triplc | pls help: how to set nfs to use fixed port (so that iptables can be set_ |
| 02:49.21 | sbarn | abrotman: exactly. what is debians freakin problem i dont get it |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | sbarn: what's in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ .. anything php related? |
| 02:49.35 | haga | its kinda new so its prolly possible to find drivers for it |
| 02:49.43 | sbarn | abrotman: no thats why i was confused |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | sbarn: oddly enough .. i've gotten php4 to work numerous times .. so it may very well not be debian's problem |
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| 02:50.20 | sbarn | perhaps but its driving me nuts |
| 02:50.57 | haga | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1150490054358&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 02:51.00 | haga | that's what i got |
| 02:51.07 | haga | yall think its possible? |
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| 02:53.17 | triplc | pls kindly help: how to set nfs/rpc to use fixed port (so that iptables can be set)? |
| 02:53.45 | sbarn | abrotman: is it possible its conflicting w/cgi at all? i told it to allow cgi outside of cgi-bin..and i also have the addapplication .php and .phps enabled in apache2.conf |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | oh .. you didn't mention that .. i'm not sure |
| 02:55.08 | zood | Which is the file that tells fstab what filesystems "auto" means? |
| 02:56.35 | zood | I remember adding "msdos" to some file, allowing me to mount floppies with `mount /media/floppy/` |
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| 03:02.24 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:02.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:02.45 | ErZo | dpkg: moo \o/ |
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| 03:09.22 | haga | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1150490054358&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 03:09.27 | haga | abrotman: ^^ this is what i got |
| 03:09.34 | haga | abrotman: do you think its possible? |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | haga: you'll have ot find out the chipset |
| 03:10.26 | haga | or the driver? |
| 03:10.38 | ry1 | abrotman: do you have any idea where the latest version of supplicant gets it's config information? evidently it's not /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and I can't find any place that gives me a concrete answer |
| 03:11.01 | abrotman | nope .. don't use wpa |
| 03:11.04 | ry1 | there is absolutely no up to date howtos on the subject |
| 03:11.06 | ry1 | kk |
| 03:11.36 | ry1 | abrotman: do you run MPlayer? |
| 03:11.52 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:11.56 | ry1 | k :) |
| 03:12.18 | ry1 | having problems with it too, I want to be able to play video without using x, but vidix doesn't want to cooperate for some reason :) |
| 03:13.11 | jetscreamer | http://xoomer.alice.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 03:15.27 | Jbirk | How do I turn off the Debian Splash screen? |
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| 03:20.24 | echostorm | theres about a million guides for getting the newest nvidia drivers working on linux but none of them seem to be working properly. does anyone have a link to a guide that has worked for you? |
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| 03:21.14 | thesaint001-ctba | Olá, alguém do Brasil? |
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| 03:23.10 | enouf | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:23.10 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 03:23.30 | ry1 | jetscreamer: thanks for the URL, but it seems the driver doesn't support the ati rage mobility |
| 03:23.45 | ry1 | which is probably too old to play video, though I'm not sure |
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| 03:25.27 | echostorm | lol dang |
| 03:25.35 | echostorm | yep thats the ticket |
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| 03:25.54 | ry1 | echo: it's an older laptop :) |
| 03:26.16 | echostorm | ahh, i was asking the same question rylbut for a different card. |
| 03:26.30 | ry1 | echo: as old as mine? |
| 03:26.38 | echostorm | no |
| 03:26.42 | echostorm | im afraid not |
| 03:26.44 | ry1 | well then you should be fine |
| 03:26.53 | ry1 | just force the driver to recognize it as a different card |
| 03:26.57 | echostorm | sorry your having trouble |
| 03:27.15 | ry1 | that's fine :) I am blind anyway, what do I personally care with video |
| 03:27.43 | ry1 | I just wanted to be able to provide fun and entertainment to the sighted students around me from time to time :) |
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| 03:29.19 | echostorm | what model is your card? |
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| 03:29.37 | ry1 | echo: ati rage mobility |
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| 03:37.09 | Jbirk | Okay |
| 03:37.11 | Jbirk | Linux rulez |
| 03:37.16 | Jbirk | You can recompile the kernel |
| 03:37.18 | Jbirk | then hibernate |
| 03:37.21 | Jbirk | then wake it back up |
| 03:37.26 | Jbirk | crazey eh? |
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| 03:37.42 | ry1 | jbirk: is this a question you are asking?? |
| 03:37.46 | Jbirk | Yes |
| 03:37.53 | Jbirk | has anyone else ever tired that? |
| 03:38.01 | ry1 | swsus? |
| 03:38.31 | ry1 | jbirk: if you are talking aobut swsus, it's still a bit buggy |
| 03:38.33 | maikol | how can i get sun-java5-jre, sun-java5-bin, and sun-java5-plugin |
| 03:38.49 | Jbirk | What is Swsus? |
| 03:38.57 | ry1 | maikol: did you check apt? |
| 03:39.06 | maikol | yes |
| 03:39.08 | ry1 | jbirk: it's the way to hibernate like you said |
| 03:39.20 | Jbirk | Here is how to do sun java |
| 03:39.22 | ry1 | maikol: if it isn't there, I suggest you google for sources and compile those |
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| 03:39.27 | Jbirk | find the pakage, sun-java |
| 03:39.37 | Jbirk | sudo apt-get install sun-java |
| 03:39.45 | Jbirk | next |
| 03:39.45 | ry1 | jbirk: he said it wasn't there |
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| 03:40.01 | odla | anyone compiled transmission? |
| 03:40.03 | ry1 | and, you are assuming he even has sudo installed |
| 03:40.08 | Jbirk | Can he double check the repository |
| 03:40.17 | Jbirk | if not, su? |
| 03:40.23 | mxFonseca | maikol, if you use the stable version of debian, go to java.com and download .tar.gz |
| 03:40.23 | odla | i'm getting an error and was just wondering if anyone knew a work around |
| 03:40.39 | maikol | ry1: mxFonseca im on testing |
| 03:40.45 | ry1 | odla: sorry, I've never heard of "transmition" |
| 03:40.47 | mzilikazi | !tell Jbirk java |
| 03:40.52 | enouf | !install java |
| 03:40.53 | dpkg | i guess install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
| 03:40.59 | Jbirk | have you tried $java -version |
| 03:41.02 | Jbirk | to see what you are running |
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| 03:41.21 | odla | transmission |
| 03:41.30 | odla | it's a very light weight bittorrent client |
| 03:41.43 | ry1 | odla: not available in the debian archives? |
| 03:42.03 | odla | nope |
| 03:42.23 | ry1 | odla: what version of gcc are you running? some have been known to be buggy |
| 03:42.27 | mxFonseca | odla, try qtorrent |
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| 03:42.41 | odla | make[3]: msgfmt: Command not found |
| 03:42.44 | odla | that's my error |
| 03:42.52 | odla | anyone know what msgfmt is? |
| 03:42.58 | ry1 | message format? |
| 03:43.10 | odla | make[3]: *** [fr.mo] Error 127 |
| 03:43.25 | Jbirk | The hardest part to installing java is configureing the system to use it |
| 03:43.37 | mxFonseca | odla, have you the developmente packages of your dependences? |
| 03:44.04 | odla | i think so |
| 03:44.08 | odla | there isn't a readme |
| 03:44.18 | odla | i just run ./configure, make, make install |
| 03:45.01 | ry1 | good night all |
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| 03:47.39 | mxFonseca | odla, msgfmt is part of gettext |
| 03:47.55 | mxFonseca | have you gettext installed? |
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| 03:48.29 | odla | mxFonseca: no |
| 03:48.35 | odla | i'll try |
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| 03:50.20 | odla | mxFonseca: thanks that worked :) |
| 03:50.57 | mxFonseca | good, you're welcome |
| 03:52.29 | gsalas_ | good evening |
| 03:52.56 | gsalas_ | I've lost my hd dma suport after a kernel upgrade :( |
| 03:53.09 | gsalas_ | # hdparm -q -m16 -q -W0 -q -d1 /dev/hda |
| 03:53.19 | gsalas_ | shows me : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 03:53.56 | mxFonseca | gsalas_, you are root? |
| 03:53.59 | jmd | Could somebody here please do a test for me? Can anybody connect to port 25 of 202.61.130.74 ? |
| 03:54.29 | gsalas_ | mxFonseca, yes |
| 03:54.40 | gsalas_ | jmd, sure .. wait a minute |
| 03:55.18 | gsalas_ | jmd, 220 freyja.cellform.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1; Thu, 17 Aug |
| 03:55.30 | gsalas_ | jmd, is connected now |
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| 03:56.25 | jmd | OK. Thanks. Not showing in any logs. I wonder if it's supposed to? |
| 03:56.56 | karsten | jmd: Have someone send mail through it, should show in your sendmail logs |
| 03:57.30 | gsalas_ | jmd, yes.. take a look at the maillog |
| 03:57.50 | jmd | karsten: Yes, but I don't know if it's comming through a secondary or going direct. |
| 03:57.58 | karsten | jmd: ?? |
| 03:58.48 | jmd | gsalas_: Ahh I see your IP now. Have you disconnected? |
| 03:59.22 | gsalas_ | jmd, yes |
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| 03:59.57 | jmd | Right. Thanks. It shows up in syslog, presumably it gets logged on disconnect. |
| 04:00.01 | m1ke_l | how do i know which driver version i am using? |
| 04:00.05 | m1ke_l | modinfo does not say |
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| 04:00.59 | karsten | jmd: Should be on session completion. You can likely configure other monitoring tools to note connections / attempts as they are initiated. |
| 04:01.17 | jmd | karsten: Right. Thanks. |
| 04:01.27 | Marupa | hi, I've got a nyko airflo controller, usb, how do I set it up for use as a joystick? lsusb sees it, as well as dmesg. |
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| 04:02.13 | Seq | does anybody know offhand what the debhelper tool is that creates new entries in debian/changelog files? |
| 04:02.47 | mxFonseca | m1ke_l, for example, modinfo ip_tables, this show the version in line "vermagic" |
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| 04:03.08 | mxFonseca | is this you looking for? |
| 04:03.27 | m1ke_l | modinfo orinoco doesn't list a version tho |
| 04:04.02 | mxFonseca | this module are loaded? |
| 04:04.07 | m1ke_l | is |
| 04:04.14 | m1ke_l | vermagic: only reports the kernel version |
| 04:05.02 | Marupa | I'd like to use the device, but I don't know how I'd calibrate it or use it at all. |
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| 04:08.04 | odla | how to do i change channels in irssi in xterm? it's not alt+<number> |
| 04:08.18 | karsten | odla: /win <number> |
| 04:08.30 | karsten | odla: ... or /join #channel |
| 04:08.41 | odla | not join |
| 04:08.51 | odla | i want to change between |
| 04:08.59 | karsten | odla: It works. If you're already joined, you just change to it, if you aren't, you join. |
| 04:09.17 | odla | the problem is if i join another channel i don't know how to get back to this channel |
| 04:09.29 | odla | without part |
| 04:09.45 | karsten | odla: /win or /join |
| 04:09.52 | odla | i know there is a key shortcut |
| 04:09.57 | karsten | odla: eg, status bar here say: [21:09] [karsten(+ei)] [3:#debian(+JLPcflnt 8,3 #debian-overflow [Act: 4,5,6] |
| 04:09.57 | DocOC | does irssi use the same keybindings as ircii? |
| 04:10.05 | karsten | odla: So /win 3 gets me to #debian |
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| 04:10.15 | litage | why does ``egrep -i "mysqli.*_[(GET)(POST)]" file'' return this, despite neither "GET" nor "POST" existing on that line?: echo "mysqli_real_escape_string :".escapeSequence($myStr); |
| 04:10.33 | karsten | odla: I think there's an alternate keybinding but it conflicts with my WindowMaker configs. |
| 04:10.48 | odla | fine in the gnome-terminal if i press alt+<number> i move to that channel |
| 04:10.56 | karsten | litage: (GET|POST) |
| 04:11.04 | litage | thanks karsten |
| 04:11.23 | karsten | odla: What I've given you works. FYI. |
| 04:11.55 | odla | it's esc + digit |
| 04:12.12 | karsten | odla: Not here ;-) |
| 04:13.13 | odla | oh well :) |
| 04:13.18 | odla | i'm in e176 |
| 04:13.19 | odla | 17 |
| 04:13.21 | odla | maybe that's why |
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| 04:13.56 | odla | anyone know the gdm reconfigure off hand? |
| 04:14.01 | odla | gdm-theme? |
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| 04:16.55 | tatoo | I have one port here opened and I can't close it. further, the squid service stopped working. squid restart doesn't work. how can i fix it? |
| 04:17.23 | karsten | !tell tatoo about smart questions |
| 04:17.27 | karsten | !tell tatoo about doesn't work |
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| 04:17.45 | jack|ass | Can APT be added to any distribution? |
| 04:18.41 | karsten | !tell jack|ass about policy |
| 04:19.08 | karsten | jack|ass: Yes, but it wouldn't have the intended result. |
| 04:19.34 | karsten | jack|ass: Both Ubuntu and Connectiva use(d) apt, they're not Debian. |
| 04:19.53 | jack|ass | karsten: well i'm not wanting it to turn into debian. |
| 04:19.53 | karsten | tatoo: netstat -lvpn should show what's got the port open. |
| 04:19.57 | karsten | jack|ass: ... as does OSX's fink |
| 04:20.30 | karsten | jack|ass: There's a lot more to Debian than apt. Policy is the secret sauce. And adding competing package management schemes is a Really Bad Idea[tm]. |
| 04:20.44 | jack|ass | karsten: I have to start with a very basic system and i need some sort of scripted way to install everything. APT seemed like a decent idea. |
| 04:21.00 | karsten | tatoo: Your squid startup output (or manually invoking the daemon with non-detach and debaug output enabled) should tell you why it's not starting. Or check /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 04:21.16 | karsten | jack|ass: And you don't want to use Debian whay? |
| 04:21.20 | karsten | s/whay/why/ |
| 04:21.27 | jack|ass | karsten: that or portage... |
| 04:22.20 | seeker55 | need some help with my debian box |
| 04:22.40 | Marupa | so, no one knows how to get my usb joystick working under debian? |
| 04:22.43 | karsten | jack|ass: Use debian, and, well, you've got the support of debian behind you. Build something off of Debian (or portage, or slack, or whatever) and you've got a perpetual maintenance headache of managing both your system *and* its pakcage management. |
| 04:22.44 | jack|ass | karsten: Not my option. It's for a very specific purpose. I was given a goal and a starting point and plenty of leeway. |
| 04:22.50 | karsten | !tell seeker55 about ask |
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| 04:23.28 | jack|ass | karsten: I don't need to be sold on debian's merits (although I use ubuntu on my home machine. :P) . |
| 04:23.47 | karsten | jack|ass: If you'd be slightly more forthcoming with specifics, requirements, needs, goals, etc., I could point you to more specific answers. That said, there's Linux From Scratch, there's Slack, tthere's Gentoo, there's Debian, there's the HP iPaq and udeb stuff. |
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| 04:24.23 | karsten | jack|ass: Just pointing out that merely using apt doesn't give you the package integration and debug merits of Debian. apt is a tool, policy is the driver. |
| 04:24.42 | karsten | Marupa: Apparently not. Might try a mailing list or Usenet |
| 04:25.00 | Marupa | dang. |
| 04:25.04 | seeker55 | i am trying to make connection to mysql database via php and can not get the right name for the server |
| 04:25.11 | Marupa | also would like my webcam working x.x |
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| 04:28.17 | karsten | jack|ass: Don't privmsg |
| 04:28.21 | jack|ass | karsten: this is basically meant for an experiment, so i'm not too worried about long-term maintainability that comes from the lifting of APT or portage... |
| 04:28.55 | karsten | jack|ass: Unless you've got damned good reasons for building your own thing from scratch, I wouldn't. |
| 04:29.04 | karsten | jack|ass: Anyhow, enough of talking to walls today. |
| 04:29.16 | jack|ass | karsten: I do have damn good reasons for doing this. |
| 04:29.44 | jack|ass | karsten: i have equally damn good reasons for being vague about it. |
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| 04:30.13 | jack|ass | karsten: and I'd go ask the gentoo hippies about portage, but they demanded that I change my name last time. |
| 04:30.20 | bronaugh | has anyone else experienced libpcap0.8 not working? |
| 04:30.26 | bronaugh | both kismet and ethereal fail |
| 04:30.32 | karsten | jack|ass: *shrug*. Asking for secret advic eon a public channel. Hrm. |
| 04:30.48 | bronaugh | FATAL: arptype 0 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket |
| 04:30.54 | bronaugh | same message from Ethereal. |
| 04:30.55 | tatoo | karsten: "815/tcp open unknown". this is the output from nmap. usually i've had the port opened for squid (configured on squid.conf). |
| 04:30.57 | bronaugh | aka wireshark. |
| 04:31.20 | karsten | tatoo: Use netstat. As root. As specified. As previously given you. 'pv' will tell you the program. |
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| 04:31.27 | tatoo | karsten: there is no outputs for this port from the command netstat -lvpn |
| 04:31.53 | bronaugh | I'm running Sid, and I just noticed this today. |
| 04:32.07 | bronaugh | I tried updating libpcap; I've got the latest ver. |
| 04:32.17 | karsten | tatoo: Then there's nothing listening to it and your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find out what squid's problem is. |
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| 04:33.36 | sid | !tell bronaugh about bts |
| 04:33.51 | letto | anywone knows whar dvd writer would be goot for linux? |
| 04:33.52 | sid | There should be like 10 dialogue messages warning people about sid and telling them about the bts |
| 04:34.00 | letto | with opensource drivers and all |
| 04:34.44 | DocOC | !sid |
| 04:34.44 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 04:34.57 | bronaugh | there are no bugs registered against libpcap0.8 |
| 04:35.01 | bronaugh | ldd says ethereal's using libpcap0.8 |
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| 04:37.52 | inc|freaky | hi all. i cant compile apache rivet: ./configure rivet: checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 26383: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ ./configure: line 26383: ` case `(ac_space=' '; set | grep ac_space) 2>&1` in' can anyone help me? |
| 04:38.09 | tatoo | karsten: apparently, there is no problem when i start and stop squid. u know, usually if we have a wrong syntax it doesn't even gimme a error message. |
| 04:38.42 | karsten | tatoo: If there's no problem then it should start up. |
| 04:39.02 | karsten | tatoo: ... which means, either it's starting up, or there's a problem. Care to tell us or should I guess? |
| 04:39.13 | tatoo | karsten: i'm not sure if u understood...anyway, basically insteady of the port i pasted above, i used to have the squid port opened. it happened today and i have no idea what's going on.... |
| 04:39.51 | karsten | tatoo: Are you running something like portsentry? |
| 04:40.02 | tatoo | karsten: as i told u....i wasn't sure whether u understood or not. |
| 04:40.19 | Marupa | is there a quick way to see what is using a device? (my sound card, for instance) |
| 04:40.23 | karsten | tatoo: Again: netstat or lsof should show you what's running on that port. If you're seeing open port oddness you might want to consider the possibility of having been rooted. |
| 04:40.27 | karsten | Marupa: lsof / fuser |
| 04:40.37 | tatoo | karsten: no. i use nmap |
| 04:40.54 | tenzing_ | do we have to install mplayer to install acidrip? |
| 04:41.05 | Marupa | um...neither of those is what I need, karsten, tatoo. |
| 04:41.11 | karsten | tatoo: nmap shows you the outside view of a system. It's a nice double-check. nmap can make a guess as to what's running behind a port, but may be wrong about it. |
| 04:41.25 | Marupa | I need to see what's using /dev/dsp |
| 04:41.28 | tatoo | karsten: so u agree w/ my thoughts.....i think i was rooted. |
| 04:41.32 | karsten | tatoo: netstat or lsof, run from the system itself, *if* your kernel isn't compromised, will tell you what's actually using th eport. |
| 04:41.38 | karsten | Marupa: lsof / fuser |
| 04:41.43 | karsten | Marupa: Believe me. |
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| 04:42.38 | karsten | tatoo: It's a possibility. What I'm trying to tell you is that nmap won't tell you what's using the port. It *will* tell you that the port is open, though you have to be careful in specifying your scan as there are a number of possible ways to structure it, and you'll occasionally get odd results. |
| 04:42.53 | karsten | tatoo: You can also set up a network sniffer to look for traffic from that port, also on another system. |
| 04:42.53 | grendal_prime | grrr..this damn bluetooth adapter is pissing me off |
| 04:43.02 | grendal_prime | anyone have any luck with these things.. |
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| 04:43.10 | tatoo | karsten: iptraf? |
| 04:43.18 | karsten | tatoo: The idea is to do your forensics from a known trusted, or at least independent, system, and look for inconsistancies. |
| 04:43.25 | karsten | tatoo: iptraf, tcpdump |
| 04:43.31 | grendal_prime | they are made by targus. and i found one thing that makes a ref to this and it supposable is a working device.. |
| 04:43.42 | karsten | grendal_prime: I thought that that was a design criterion. |
| 04:43.42 | grendal_prime | tatoo also therape. |
| 04:43.43 | grendal_prime | its good |
| 04:44.17 | grendal_prime | well dmesg shows it and the hiciconfig shows it as assigend with an address. |
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| 04:44.48 | grendal_prime | i cant get it to do shit though...im wondering if im just not a total moron and ..well all that is implied by that statement |
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| 04:45.23 | grendal_prime | tatoo etherape is nice if you need a visual of whats going on |
| 04:45.44 | karsten | grendal_prime: Do you *really* want an answer? |
| 04:45.46 | grendal_prime | my fav for spotting werid shit on the network though is plane old iftop |
| 04:45.54 | karsten | grendal_prime: Noting, of course, that I'm fully qualified to answer ... |
| 04:45.55 | Marupa | ok, nothing is using the card...yet I still can't have sound... |
| 04:46.05 | karsten | grendal_prime: .... in a takes one / know one aspect. |
| 04:46.11 | grendal_prime | karsten, ya..let me in on the secreit |
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| 04:46.30 | Marupa | it was working like, fifteen minutes ago. |
| 04:46.31 | karsten | Marupa: check your mixer levels. aumix is a good utility for that. |
| 04:46.44 | karsten | Marupa: Zeroed out mixer levels == no sound. |
| 04:46.55 | Marupa | no sound, as in it gives me an error. |
| 04:47.05 | tatoo | grendal_prime: ok. thanks |
| 04:47.09 | karsten | Marupa: Care to share that error? |
| 04:47.21 | grendal_prime | ya Marupa and that is common for a new install of alsa by the way. |
| 04:47.28 | grendal_prime | zeroed out mixer |
| 04:47.30 | Marupa | failed to open audio output ALSA 1.2.10 |
| 04:47.37 | Marupa | and...I had it running FINE ten minutes ago. |
| 04:47.42 | Marupa | I'm using dmix. |
| 04:47.45 | grendal_prime | ya thats different problem though |
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| 04:47.50 | grendal_prime | karsten |
| 04:47.51 | Marupa | it was fine for like, four days. |
| 04:47.52 | karsten | Marupa: Try unloading / reloading your sound modules. |
| 04:47.55 | tatoo | karsten: do u know how i can fix this port....at least close it while i try to understand what's goin'on? |
| 04:47.59 | Marupa | how do I do that? |
| 04:48.09 | karsten | grendal_prime: Note that I know *jack* and *sh*t* about bluetooth. |
| 04:48.32 | grendal_prime | oh i thought you said you did know jack shit. |
| 04:48.45 | karsten | tatoo: I'd reboot and keep a very close eye on it. Also check your current kernel stats and install/run chkrootkit now and later, particularly noting any discrepencies between runs. |
| 04:48.50 | karsten | grendal_prime: Nope. |
| 04:49.01 | grendal_prime | (by the way i DO know jack shit..hes my x fathing in law and it doesnt matter because he knows nothing about bluetooth tech) |
| 04:49.05 | Marupa | how do i reload the modules, karsten? |
| 04:49.16 | grendal_prime | BCM92045DG-Flash_UHE |
| 04:49.19 | karsten | Marupa: rmmod <module>; modprobe <module> |
| 04:49.31 | Marupa | how do I know which module it is? |
| 04:49.42 | karsten | Marupa: Note there's probably a few of those. I've had audio lock up on me periodically especially viewing videos. |
| 04:49.47 | grendal_prime | is the device if anyone knows anything about how to get that to work i would appreciate it..ill even marry your ugly sister. |
| 04:49.55 | Marupa | it locked when I tried to listen to a shoutcast stream. |
| 04:50.08 | grendal_prime | damn shoutcast |
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| 04:50.18 | Marupa | and yet, yesterday I was listening to it fine. |
| 04:50.21 | karsten | Marupa: egrep '(sound|snd|aud)' /etc/modules |
| 04:50.27 | tatoo | karsten: "TCP *:815 (LISTEN)" -- the output from lsof |
| 04:50.34 | karsten | Marupa: ... would be a good first cut at it. |
| 04:50.46 | Marupa | returned nothing. |
| 04:50.47 | karsten | tatoo: OK, that's interesting. |
| 04:50.49 | tatoo | karsten: i've already rebooted the box....i can do that again |
| 04:51.00 | karsten | Marupa: What's your soundcard? |
| 04:51.08 | Marupa | AC'97 |
| 04:51.36 | tatoo | karsten: it came from a rpc.statd..... |
| 04:52.12 | karsten | Marupa: Wups. /proc/modules |
| 04:52.36 | Marupa | there're a TON. @.@ |
| 04:52.59 | grendal_prime | what would this mean |
| 04:53.00 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.07 | Marupa | am I supposed to remove and add _all_ of them? |
| 04:53.13 | tatoo | karsten: grendal_prime : does these problem open a lot of ports at once??? i just saw ports that i've never been opened! |
| 04:53.15 | grendal_prime | is bd = bad |
| 04:53.15 | karsten | Marupa: Possible candidate list: snd_cs46xx snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer snd soundcore snd_page_alloc gameport |
| 04:53.27 | Marupa | which do I remove? |
| 04:53.35 | grendal_prime | tatoo what problem? |
| 04:53.38 | tatoo | 32771/tcp open sometimes-rpc5 |
| 04:53.38 | tatoo | 32772/tcp open sometimes-rpc7 |
| 04:53.38 | tatoo | 32773/tcp open sometimes-rpc9 |
| 04:53.38 | tatoo | 32774/tcp open sometimes-rpc11 |
| 04:53.38 | tatoo | 54320/tcp open bo2k |
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| 04:53.50 | Marupa | I'm lost x.x |
| 04:53.51 | grendal_prime | poor bastard |
| 04:54.13 | karsten | Marupa: anything using soundcore or snd |
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| 04:54.35 | tatoo | sorry for pasting a lot of info buddy.... |
| 04:54.56 | grendal_prime | hey np we have something that deals with freaks like you.. |
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| 04:55.02 | Marupa | ...I have no idea what that mean.s |
| 04:55.08 | grendal_prime | we all love that thing |
| 04:55.30 | grendal_prime | debhelper, holds nothing back. |
| 04:55.34 | karsten | Marupa: Try: rmmod snd_cs46xx snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer; rmmod snd; rmmod soundcore; modprobe soundcore; modprobe snd; modprobe snd_cs46xx snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_timer |
| 04:55.51 | grendal_prime | damn or you could reboot... |
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| 04:56.02 | grendal_prime | i mean, are you use to windows? |
| 04:56.02 | karsten | Marupa: ...as a one-liner. It's actually six commands (three removes / three adds) stacked. |
| 04:56.04 | Marupa | that just made a BUNCH of errors. |
| 04:56.06 | karsten | grendal_prime: ;-) |
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| 04:56.15 | Marupa | and, I can't reboot. |
| 04:56.15 | karsten | Marupa: Ignore those. |
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| 04:56.21 | Marupa | a few Fatals |
| 04:56.21 | karsten | Marupa: ... why not? |
| 04:56.30 | karsten | Marupa: ignore those too. |
| 04:56.47 | Marupa | chatting with someone who only logs on once in a while. and sound still failed. |
| 04:56.47 | grendal_prime | Marupa, ya your fkd...sorry..sooo next problem on the agenda....oooo ya.....bluetooth for grendal?? |
| 04:56.49 | karsten | Marupa: I was just going to say, if that doesn't get sound back, then rebooting is your next best bet. |
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| 05:00.43 | grendal_prime | craaaaaaaaaaappp |
| 05:00.47 | grendal_prime | hci_usb |
| 05:00.52 | grendal_prime | is supposed to handle this |
| 05:00.58 | grendal_prime | but i cant reset the thing |
| 05:01.04 | grendal_prime | or do anything with it. |
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| 05:09.12 | Pryon | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting |
| 05:09.23 | Pryon | Follow all the steps. |
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| 05:16.32 | DocOC | irssi doesn't have any true vga themes? |
| 05:18.12 | Guerin | more importantly: who cares? |
| 05:18.57 | DocOC | I was just wondering. So many people use it, I thought I would take a look... |
| 05:19.12 | karsten | DocOC: Um. straight irssi is textmode. |
| 05:19.29 | Guerin | well, since the standard terminals only support 16 colours, it would seem a bit pointless |
| 05:19.39 | DocOC | karsten: right, text mode. |
| 05:19.43 | Guerin | there was a gui irssi for a while |
| 05:19.59 | Guerin | 'but nobody used it, so nobody could be arsed finishing it |
| 05:20.08 | Guerin | and apparently it was a bit shit |
| 05:20.13 | DocOC | Guerin: when I say 'vga mode', I mean 16 color, vga extended characters. |
| 05:20.16 | |ryan| | how does one change one's time zone? |
| 05:20.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:20.28 | termina|giga | pkg-config is installed via apt-get but do i have to manually make *.pc files for everything? is there an easier way?? |
| 05:20.30 | Guerin | then irssi does have themes like that |
| 05:20.44 | Guerin | silly me |
| 05:20.49 | |ryan| | !time zone |
| 05:20.50 | DocOC | Guerin: can you name a few so I could take a look? |
| 05:21.00 | Guerin | DocOC: irssi.org has a bunch of themes |
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| 05:21.11 | Guerin | i think there might even be a -themes package in debian |
| 05:21.19 | DocOC | Guerin: I'm looking at them, but none seem to use vga extended characters. |
| 05:21.30 | Guerin | you mean the 'bright' characters? |
| 05:21.41 | Guerin | or whatever the temrinology is |
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| 05:21.52 | karsten | |ryan|: IIRC /etc/timezone |
| 05:22.03 | karsten | |ryan|: or 'export TZ=<value>' |
| 05:22.10 | Guerin | tzconfig |
| 05:22.13 | Guerin | is your friend |
| 05:22.14 | karsten | |ryan|: ... in your shell. |
| 05:22.20 | DocOC | no. I mean, like if you ever used ircii or bitchx, and you used a vga font, you get totally different characters which get represented with things like % in a non-vga font. |
| 05:22.30 | Guerin | ohhh |
| 05:22.34 | Guerin | ok, no idea about that |
| 05:22.41 | karsten | Guerin: Thanks. I keep forgetting which one that is 'zactly. |
| 05:22.57 | karsten | !timezone |
| 05:22.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 05:22.58 | Guerin | karsten: you clealry don't move timezones often enough |
| 05:23.10 | karsten | Guerin: ... or crash motorcycles. |
| 05:23.23 | Guerin | i didn't crash it |
| 05:23.24 | |ryan| | yeah, I asked dpkg |
| 05:23.27 | Guerin | i just fell off |
| 05:23.29 | |ryan| | thanks. |
| 05:23.43 | karsten | Guerin: As I was saying. |
| 05:23.58 | karsten | Guerin: Besides, it's not as if my sleep/wake cycle has anything to do with $LOCALTIME anyway. |
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| 05:24.46 | Guerin | it doesn't? |
| 05:24.56 | Guerin | omgz, you must be a bum! |
| 05:25.18 | karsten | Guerin: shh! |
| 05:25.53 | DocOC | !scotch karsten |
| 05:26.27 | DocOC | ok, dpkg desperately needs a !scotch command. I mean, I'm not always in the mood for !beer. |
| 05:26.41 | Guerin | !wine DocOC |
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| 05:27.07 | karsten | dpkg literal fishsmite |
| 05:27.16 | karsten | dpkg: literal fishsmite |
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| 05:27.30 | karsten | Feh. |
| 05:27.39 | Guerin | dalwhinnie |
| 05:27.42 | Guerin | it means |
| 05:27.56 | Guerin | which is good booze, too |
| 05:28.32 | DocOC | ever try the Bowmoore? Best value in single malt, at least in this area. |
| 05:28.39 | karsten | OK, how do you get the literal of a factoid eg: an action? |
| 05:28.40 | Guerin | yeah, bowmore is good |
| 05:28.48 | Guerin | i'm a huge fan of talisker |
| 05:29.07 | Guerin | karsten: !literal cmd: foo (.*?) |
| 05:29.07 | DocOC | Guerin: talisker is great if I'm in the mood for the classic peaty scotch. |
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| 05:29.26 | Guerin | i like the macallan as well |
| 05:29.43 | Guerin | can take or leave laphroaig, though, which everyone raves about |
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| 05:29.49 | karsten | Guerin: Nope. /msging dpkg: literal cmd: beer |
| 05:29.58 | tuxvix | hello everyone. |
| 05:30.10 | DocOC | well, there are so many macallan's. There are even independent producers which buy macallan in bulk and age them in different types of casks. |
| 05:30.16 | Guerin | right |
| 05:30.25 | tuxvix | I need help with my 1680x1050 resolution on "Etch" default install. |
| 05:30.29 | Guerin | i'm talking about the plain old 12 year |
| 05:30.44 | DocOC | I agree with you, the laphroaig is underwhelming. Now, the Oban, that's a keeper. |
| 05:30.47 | Guerin | the 1874 is awesome stuff, though it's insanely freaking expensive |
| 05:30.56 | Guerin | oh yeah, oban is lovely |
| 05:31.15 | tuxvix | any one? |
| 05:31.17 | Guerin | bah, it's been too long since I had a decent whisky binge |
| 05:31.27 | tuxvix | pleaseee, booohooo =) |
| 05:31.29 | Guerin | tuxvix: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 05:32.16 | tuxvix | yeah... how does it help me =) |
| 05:32.26 | Guerin | tuxvix: it lets you select resolutions |
| 05:32.39 | tuxvix | I am using 1280x1024 right now, and it works, but my lcd is 1680x1050 |
| 05:32.40 | Guerin | tuxvix: if that's not what you want, I sugest you specify what you want more clearly |
| 05:32.50 | tuxvix | I know =) but which drivers? |
| 05:32.51 | DocOC | ever try the JW Green Label. I'm not usually a fan of blends, but man, they got that one right. |
| 05:32.51 | karsten | !scotch Guerin |
| 05:32.55 | Guerin | so choose that 1680x1050 resolution |
| 05:32.56 | karsten | Feh. |
| 05:33.14 | tuxvix | I did it works buuuutt, massy |
| 05:33.16 | Guerin | DocOC: i haven't tasted any JW above black, which is piss. |
| 05:33.20 | tuxvix | text is overlapped |
| 05:33.47 | tuxvix | it runs @ 0 1680 x 1050 ( 445mm x 318mm ) 60 |
| 05:33.50 | |ryan| | wow |
| 05:33.53 | Guerin | tuxvix: what's the physical resolution of your lcd? As reported by 'xdpyinfo' |
| 05:34.02 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:34.04 | tuxvix | but, not clear as I've used Ubuntu =) |
| 05:34.11 | karsten | tuxvix: What's the display? |
| 05:34.14 | Guerin | ok, ubuntu is a whole different bag |
| 05:34.15 | DocOC | Guerin: you should try the green, it's in the same price range as many of the single-malts we've been talking about. |
| 05:34.25 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 05:34.25 | tuxvix | VA2012wb |
| 05:34.27 | Guerin | not bad |
| 05:34.33 | Guerin | tuxvix: #ubuntu |
| 05:34.34 | tuxvix | 1680x1050 resolution |
| 05:34.35 | |ryan| | the ppc version of xubuntu 6.06.1 downloads 5 times faster over http then bittorrent |
| 05:34.56 | tuxvix | but it only runs good @ 1280x1024 right now. |
| 05:35.04 | Guerin | hm |
| 05:35.29 | Guerin | it should look like shit at 1280x1024 if it's really a 1680x1050 display |
| 05:35.33 | Guerin | if it even runs at all |
| 05:35.43 | Guerin | so I'd be checking what the hell is up |
| 05:35.56 | tuxvix | Guerin: wait... I will paste my info of xdpyinfo to pastebin. |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | tuxvix: tell the people in #ubuntu - it might not make a difference, but I have no idea what drivers and such are in their x server, so it might. |
| 05:37.27 | pstickne | At least keep the same aspect ratio ;) |
| 05:37.50 | Guerin | well, that's the ting: with an lcd any attempt to change aspect ratio should fuck things up horribly |
| 05:37.51 | pstickne | At high resolutions like that, except for tiny fonts, LCD monitors do a good job of blending IMOHO. |
| 05:38.10 | pstickne | s/blending/scaling/ |
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| 05:38.46 | dendrite | Guerin: How quaint. |
| 05:38.59 | tuxvix | here if anyone can help me... http://pastebin.ca/135803 |
| 05:39.02 | Guerin | in the words of a bad calpunk band "it's what I got" |
| 05:39.10 | pstickne | tuxvix, use a better pasting service :( |
| 05:39.41 | tuxvix | :) that is better |
| 05:39.50 | tuxvix | it works faster then the other |
| 05:40.57 | tuxvix | and what the heck is this with my ntfs partitions? |
| 05:40.58 | tuxvix | error: device /dev/hdb1 is not removable |
| 05:40.59 | tuxvix | error: could not execute pmount |
| 05:41.08 | tuxvix | any one have a clue? |
| 05:41.53 | tuxvix | I like Debian a lot, but I just can't figure out the resolution of 1680x1050 and my ntfs partition read =( |
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| 05:42.28 | tuxvix | any one with good knowledge of Debian "Etch" please help me out :) |
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| 05:46.58 | streuner | tuxvix: what does 'dpkg -l | tail -1' say? |
| 05:47.38 | `ns` | tuxvix, you might try running the live ubuntu, and copy the x configuration file over to your debian system .... do a little tweaking and voila |
| 05:48.00 | tuxvix | just a sec... |
| 05:48.18 | `ns` | that has worked for me many times ... |
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| 05:49.22 | sanityx | Hey I have a question, I know the "Unstable" release is called unstable, but is it stable enough to use for non-production boxes? |
| 05:49.24 | tuxvix | streuner: here http://pastebin.ca/135812 |
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| 05:49.41 | SpeedyG | `ns`: thats how I saved my install once when I forgot my root pw :P |
| 05:49.53 | tuxvix | `ns`: good idea =) will try that later... if I could not fix it like this |
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| 05:50.20 | `ns` | I actually usually use a mepis cd .... I really dislike ubuntu .... personal thing :) |
| 05:50.35 | sanityx | I <3 Ubuntu. . . for some things. |
| 05:50.48 | SpeedyG | well, it was a knoppix cd back then :) |
| 05:50.49 | streuner | tuxvix: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? sorry |
| 05:51.09 | K`zan | How can I get an off system source for apt-get, I have the DVDs and security.debian.org but none of the others during install would work? |
| 05:51.12 | `ns` | ubuntu ... not if you want to run fluxbox as your desktop .... |
| 05:51.22 | tuxvix | streuner: wait... |
| 05:51.25 | stew | streuner: what does libc6 have to do with his resolution problem? |
| 05:51.30 | sanityx | ubuntu is great for getting non-nerds to use linux |
| 05:51.44 | streuner | stew: if you going to want help him, just do it. |
| 05:51.57 | stew | tuxvix: what driver are you using? |
| 05:52.00 | compgrokker_ | sanityx: yeah, that's about all it's good for.... |
| 05:52.10 | sanityx | i disagree. its a great desktop OS. |
| 05:52.30 | sanityx | closest linux has ever come to "just working", not counting live cds. |
| 05:52.32 | tuxvix | stew: ? default install, no clue =) |
| 05:52.37 | streuner | stew: is it so, that you rule nowdays how somebody ask? |
| 05:52.55 | tuxvix | streuner: here http://pastebin.ca/135815 |
| 05:52.56 | sanityx | But Ubuntu and Server in the same sentence is a joke. |
| 05:53.09 | Guerin | not a very funny one, either |
| 05:53.10 | stew | streuner: i don't understand what you are asking |
| 05:53.43 | streuner | your comment isn't helpful |
| 05:53.49 | compgrokker | sanityx: *shrug* i like distros where i can very easily poke at the guts, and nothing is hidden-- ubuntu hides too much imho |
| 05:54.03 | odla | what's ubuntu? |
| 05:54.12 | stew | tuxvix: can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin? |
| 05:54.39 | Nurbs | /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 05:54.41 | sanityx | Well I agree, but thats more a matter of personal preference. |
| 05:54.43 | tuxvix | stew: ok |
| 05:54.52 | streuner | odla: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
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| 05:55.33 | stew | streuner: oh, was knowing which libc6 version he has helpful? |
| 05:55.34 | tuxvix | stew: hah, not there .... |
| 05:55.40 | stew | tuxvix: which? |
| 05:55.43 | compgrokker | sanityx: agreed, it's a matter of personal opinion/preference... depending on who i was talking to would depend on whether i'd recommend ubuntu or debian ;) |
| 05:55.46 | streuner | stew: of course |
| 05:55.49 | Guerin | stew: he's running ubuntu, not debian. |
| 05:55.51 | tuxvix | stew: bolf |
| 05:55.58 | odla | i would always recommend debian |
| 05:56.11 | odla | debian can be one hot desktop if you know what you're doing |
| 05:56.13 | tuxvix | stew: wait, let me check the second one one more time |
| 05:56.13 | stew | Guerin: not according to dpkg -l |
| 05:56.22 | Guerin | no, according to what he told us. |
| 05:56.26 | streuner | stew: you should know very well, that many people asking here without knowing which version they run (debian) and sometimes not.. |
| 05:56.31 | compgrokker | odla: for a total newb who just barely has a handle on windows (ie, my parents) i'd recommend ubuntu |
| 05:56.32 | `ns` | I have tried a lot of debian based distro's , and I always end up back at the original. I prefered mepis to knoppix and ubuntu, but that was a year or 3 ago |
| 05:56.33 | elias | hi, I used bastille, but this might have been caused by something prior that too. "Aug 17 05:49:42 localhost inetd[18199]: execv /usr/sbin/tcpd: Permission denied"? tcpd is mode 750 root:root for me, but inetd is owned by root too.. |
| 05:56.54 | odla | nope i'd recommend debian...for the community and if they want to learn linux |
| 05:57.04 | odla | give them the best! |
| 05:57.13 | tuxvix | stew: ok, I found the Xorg.0.log, will upload it to paste bin |
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| 05:57.39 | DocOC | compgrokker: you got your parents on Ubuntu? |
| 05:57.48 | Laris | yo |
| 05:57.50 | tuxvix | stew: here > http://pastebin.ca/135819 |
| 05:58.10 | K`zan | This deb install is turning into a frigging nightmare. |
| 05:58.11 | `ns` | leave parents on windows, let my brother support them :) |
| 05:58.19 | compgrokker | DocOC: not yet |
| 05:58.31 | compgrokker | working on it tho... ;) |
| 05:58.38 | K`zan | what does deb call xorg-x11 for apt-get install |
| 05:58.39 | Laris | tell me |
| 05:59.09 | streuner | tuxvix: its easy |
| 05:59.18 | DocOC | actually, I had my ex-wife on debian with kde, she was very happy with it and I barely ever had to help her with it (compared to all the times I had to re-install her windows installation beforehand.) |
| 05:59.19 | Nurbs | K`zan: xorg. |
| 05:59.29 | tuxvix | streuner: ??? |
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| 05:59.48 | streuner | tuxvix: nvidia 5200 is well supported, but i dunno if this resolution supported by the driver (nv) itself |
| 05:59.54 | stew | tuxvix: can you also post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 06:00.03 | K`zan | Nurbs: Thanks, tried that and every premutation, I think this install is badly hosed somehow. |
| 06:00.14 | tuxvix | stew: wait... |
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| 06:00.22 | compgrokker | DocOC: i still haven't convinced my parents that i can set up a linux box that will 'just work' because mine never does |
| 06:00.22 | streuner | tuxvix: or just run this and choose the resolution you need |
| 06:00.26 | Nurbs | K`zan: oh, wait. that's only valid for testing and unstable |
| 06:00.32 | streuner | !drxx tuxvix |
| 06:00.32 | dpkg | tuxvix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:00.42 | Nurbs | K`zan: do you run stable (sarge)? |
| 06:00.43 | compgrokker | what they don't realize is, mine doesn't 'just work' because i'm always tweaking it and rebuilding it and stuff |
| 06:00.57 | K`zan | Something went really wrong trying to get the archives and it has been a mess since. |
| 06:01.19 | K`zan | Nurbs: Yes, sarge according to what the install is telling me (31r2). |
| 06:01.28 | DocOC | compgrokker: yeah, I hardly ever mess with my system(aside from upgrading and securing), and I never have problems. |
| 06:01.35 | stew | tuxvix: its finding the mode you want, even claiming its the default mode, so this driver does in fact support that mode |
| 06:01.42 | tuxvix | stew: here >> http://pastebin.ca/135823 |
| 06:01.45 | streuner | Guerin, stew: its pretty lucky if you would run the same libc6 version, so its useless in most cases to asking for 'apt-cache policy libc6'... |
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| 06:02.17 | compgrokker | DocOC: that's what i try to convince them, but i haven't convinced them yet >.< |
| 06:02.20 | Nurbs | K`zan: sarge doesn't come with X.Org |
| 06:02.27 | streuner | anyway, the best way would be /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:02.48 | compgrokker | DocOC: i think the next argument i'll make is remote administration (i'm getting ready to move out in the next couple months) |
| 06:02.50 | Nurbs | K`zan: you can install x-window-system (or x-window-system-core if you want to fine-tune the package selection a bit more) on sarge... |
| 06:03.00 | K`zan | Nurbs: Really? Well, time to go search distros again, I need X. Thanks! |
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| 06:03.13 | Nurbs | K`zan: it does come with X. also, ... |
| 06:03.13 | Nurbs | bla |
| 06:03.29 | tuxvix | stew: yes I know =) but when I use it its bad, I mean all the text on the screen is screwd up and screen it self is off little bit. |
| 06:03.43 | DocOC | compgrokker: ah, just find a local desktop support firm, and give them the number. |
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| 06:04.07 | paolo_ | hi *. Does anyone know if it is possible to use magicrotation (Samsung) on linux? |
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| 06:04.36 | tuxvix | stew: btw, why do I get this error for my old ntfs partition |
| 06:04.37 | tuxvix | error: device /dev/hdd1 is not removable |
| 06:04.37 | tuxvix | error: could not execute pmount |
| 06:05.41 | compgrokker | DocOC: nobody really runs linux that much around here, and the places that do windows support are a) incompetent and b) expensive |
| 06:06.01 | DocOC | tuxvix: that's weird, pmount definitely should not be trying to mount a partition on an ide drive. |
| 06:06.02 | stew | tuxvix: can you be more specific than "a little off"? or "screwed up" |
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| 06:06.38 | pstickne | paolo_, magicrotation? |
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| 06:06.48 | DocOC | compgrokker: that's why they do windows support :) |
| 06:06.51 | tuxvix | I mean, the text its self on the screen is broken. It's kind of like when you use bad refresh rate for the screen. |
| 06:07.03 | compgrokker | DocOC: lol, true, true |
| 06:07.21 | DocOC | those who can't do tech-support :) |
| 06:07.24 | tuxvix | DocOC: link:/home/tux# /dev/hdd1 /media/beta ntfs user,umask=0222 0 0 bash: /dev/hdd1: Permission denied |
| 06:07.40 | tuxvix | DocOC: that what I get. |
| 06:07.42 | compgrokker | DocOC: true true |
| 06:08.07 | DocOC | tuxvix: where do you get that? |
| 06:08.12 | tuxvix | stew: I will try using Ubuntu live config file =) later. |
| 06:08.26 | streuner | tuxvix: no need for that |
| 06:08.33 | tuxvix | when I click on my Beta drive in Computer. |
| 06:08.40 | streuner | tuxvix: just run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 06:08.51 | DocOC | tuxvix: ahh, well I don't understand 'click' very well. |
| 06:09.01 | tuxvix | lol |
| 06:09.26 | DocOC | no joke. I despise gui file management. |
| 06:09.26 | tuxvix | does Debian "Etch" comes with ntfs support by default? |
| 06:09.33 | streuner | sure |
| 06:09.36 | tuxvix | or I need to install some ntfs packages? |
| 06:09.39 | stew | tuxvix: wait the dump of xdpyinfo you pasted before made looked like you were at 1280x1024 not 1680x1050. do you know exactly which resultion / refresh rate you are running |
| 06:09.41 | streuner | reading, not writing |
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| 06:09.54 | paolo_ | pstickne, yes. It allows to rotate the screen 90degrees (portrait/landscape). The OS should be able to recognize the change automatically and rotate everything |
| 06:10.06 | tuxvix | yeah, 1280x1024 @ 75 right now |
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| 06:10.25 | stew | tuxvix: is the monitor a crt or a lcd? |
| 06:10.28 | pstickne | paolo_, hmm, tried google? |
| 06:10.28 | omry__ | hi, got a problem setting up soft mirror raid on sarge for a non-root partition. how do I get linux to assemble the raid on boot? |
| 06:10.38 | tuxvix | that cuz like I sad, it's not supporting the 1680x1050 @ 60 |
| 06:10.38 | paolo_ | pstickne, yes, no luck |
| 06:10.47 | tralala | tuxvix: read-only ntfs support is in linux for quite some time now |
| 06:10.48 | tuxvix | for some reason I get bad resolution. |
| 06:10.51 | pstickne | paolo_, is it a monitor? |
| 06:10.56 | stew | tuxvix: what isn't supporting that resolution? |
| 06:10.57 | paolo_ | pstickne, yes, lcd monitor |
| 06:10.57 | tuxvix | ok |
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| 06:11.16 | tuxvix | I am using the "nv" driver for the X right now. |
| 06:11.24 | paolo_ | pstickne, there should be a way to rotate the screen in linux... now at the point it would be easy to understand the message from the DVI |
| 06:11.26 | tuxvix | should I try using something else? |
| 06:11.28 | pstickne | paolo_, you can switch manually (at least ATI supports an orientation, not sure if that's core X...) |
| 06:11.29 | stew | tuxvix: according to the log, the card does support that mode |
| 06:11.45 | omry__ | raid commanders, anyone can help? :) |
| 06:11.48 | tuxvix | stew: It works but like crap :) |
| 06:11.48 | paolo_ | pstickne, interesting... I wonder if nvidia does that.. |
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| 06:11.53 | pstickne | paolo_, but that comes when you're running X... not sure if their is any tool for the FB before that point. |
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| 06:12.01 | pstickne | (FB console) |
| 06:12.03 | tuxvix | stew: here, how do I make screenshot? |
| 06:12.04 | paolo_ | pstickne, how do you do it with ATI? |
| 06:12.23 | paolo_ | pstickne, X is good enough for me |
| 06:12.23 | streuner | tuxvix: srot |
| 06:12.27 | streuner | tuxvix: scrot |
| 06:12.29 | tuxvix | stew: I will geave you screen shot for my resolution of 1680x1050 so you can see for your self. |
| 06:12.33 | tuxvix | ok wait |
| 06:12.34 | pstickne | paolo_, when you install the fglrx driver there were some examples of using aticonfig IIRC |
| 06:12.34 | streuner | !info scrot |
| 06:12.37 | paolo_ | pstickne, it would be useful only to read some dvi/pdf files |
| 06:12.42 | dpkg | scrot: (command line screen capture utility), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8-7 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 06:12.45 | tralala | my ati 9250 doesn't support rotation. I don't know if it's the card or the driver though |
| 06:13.06 | streuner | tralala: did you try groups.google.com? |
| 06:13.07 | pstickne | paolo_, I'm sure an NV card has a similar option or way to configure it. |
| 06:13.11 | tuxvix | streuner: I dont have that |
| 06:13.13 | pstickne | tralala, fglrx or radeon? |
| 06:13.16 | paolo_ | pstickne, i see... I should see if there is anything like that for nvidia... if there is, I think that it shouldn't be difficoult to make it automatic (once you rotate the screen) |
| 06:13.23 | streuner | tuxvix: apt-get install scrot |
| 06:13.27 | pstickne | paolo_, I don't know :) |
| 06:13.29 | tuxvix | ok |
| 06:13.32 | pstickne | paolo_, but good luck! |
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| 06:13.34 | DocOC | paolo_: yeah, it would have come in real handy when I was trying to read the zsh user guide (they created the dvi upside-down) |
| 06:13.34 | tralala | pstickne: I've tried with both both |
| 06:13.46 | pstickne | tralala, hmm, I should try just for fun :) |
| 06:14.05 | paolo_ | pstickne, thanks! ;-) |
| 06:14.06 | tralala | streuner: not really, because I never needed it. I've just checked xrandr "out of the box" and it didn't work |
| 06:14.24 | paolo_ | DocOC, :-) |
| 06:14.47 | paolo_ | DocOC, in these days lcd are cheap... you can think to buy one! ;-) |
| 06:14.48 | tuxvix | streuner: OK, where does it stores the screen shots? |
| 06:15.12 | streuner | tuxvix: in the same folder you started the command (scrot) itself |
| 06:15.38 | paolo_ | pstickne, I manage to find rotate with google... is an option for X |
| 06:15.38 | DocOC | paolo_: I have an lcd. Laptop. |
| 06:15.46 | tuxvix | oh, ok |
| 06:16.10 | paolo_ | DocOC, ok... then you can just rotate the laptop! ;-) but I guess you don't have magicrotation on it (so you need to change your orientation by hand) |
| 06:16.38 | DocOC | folder? FOLDER!? folders are made of manilla paper, computers have directories! ;-P |
| 06:16.56 | paolo_ | pstickne, Option "Rotate" "string" ... the problem is that I still don't know if it is possible to do that on a running X |
| 06:17.16 | tuxvix | crap, for some reason you can't see it on the screen shot, let me use my digital camera wait. |
| 06:17.46 | paolo_ | apt-get install xrandr .... nice |
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| 06:20.36 | DocOC | !info xrandr |
| 06:20.43 | stew | tuxvix: is your monitor an lcd? how are you checking that it is really running at 1680x1050? |
| 06:21.00 | tuxvix | yes |
| 06:21.32 | tuxvix | cuz its the default resolution of it 20" widescreen (VA2012wb) 1680x1050 @ 60 |
| 06:22.05 | stew | tuxvix: can you show me the output of xpyinfo when its running at 1680x1050? |
| 06:22.07 | paolo_ | !info xrandr |
| 06:22.20 | tuxvix | stew: yeah, wait |
| 06:22.23 | streuner | !find xrandr |
| 06:22.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xrandr' (3): libxrandr-dev ;; libxrandr2 ;; libxrandr2-dbg. |
| 06:22.37 | paolo_ | DocOC, as far as I understand, it allows to change a lot of nice things like resolution or orientation on the fly |
| 06:24.48 | tuxvix | stew: lol, nothing blank |
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| 06:25.42 | DocOC | paolo_: yeah, I just played with it. Apparently my display only allows it to change resolution. |
| 06:25.44 | tuxvix | stew: what the? the xpyinfo is not found |
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| 06:25.57 | stew | tuxvix: xdpyinfo |
| 06:26.02 | streuner | tuxvix: install it |
| 06:26.12 | paolo_ | DocOC, you need this -> Option "RandRRotation" "on" |
| 06:26.13 | tuxvix | oh |
| 06:26.14 | streuner | !find xpyinfo |
| 06:26.14 | tuxvix | lol |
| 06:26.16 | tuxvix | sorry |
| 06:26.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xpyinfo' returned no results. |
| 06:26.35 | streuner | !find xdpyinfo |
| 06:26.38 | DocOC | paolo_: ahh, in the monitor section or the display section? |
| 06:26.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xdpyinfo' (1): (/usr/bin/xdpyinfo) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 06:26.48 | littleball | hello, i want to add a chat room on my web site, who can give me suggestions? |
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| 06:27.09 | streuner | tuxvix: apt-get install xbase-clients |
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| 06:27.15 | stew | streuner: he already has it |
| 06:27.32 | paolo_ | DocOC, in the "Device" section |
| 06:27.38 | tuxvix | streuner: for what? |
| 06:27.43 | stew | tuxvix: ignore him |
| 06:27.48 | streuner | tuxvix: nevermind |
| 06:27.52 | DocOC | paolo_: cool. I'll play with it later. |
| 06:27.56 | tuxvix | ok |
| 06:28.05 | haga | is it possible to hook up my PCI wireless and get it working? |
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| 06:28.10 | haga | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1150490054358&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 06:28.15 | haga | that's what i got |
| 06:28.18 | haga | yall think its possible? |
| 06:28.54 | DocOC | haga: can you use lspci and tell us what it says about your wifi card? |
| 06:29.05 | tuxvix | stew: here >>> http://pastebin.ca/135840 |
| 06:29.30 | haga | DocOC: it's not hook up yet, i wanna make sure itll work before i get it |
| 06:29.40 | haga | DocOC: take a look at that think to see what it is |
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| 06:30.47 | tuxvix | what's with my ntfs partition : >>> |
| 06:30.48 | tuxvix | You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "disks-conf-hdd1". |
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| 06:31.33 | DocOC | haga: from the chipset model number, that seems to be an Atheros chipset, and yes, that should work just fine, but you will need to install madwifi to get it to work. |
| 06:31.35 | tuxvix | but when I use menu > Desktop > Administration > Disks > Browse button |
| 06:31.37 | tuxvix | it works |
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| 06:32.21 | haga | DocOC: make sure its gonna work, i might get it tomorrow, are you gonna be here to help around? |
| 06:33.09 | DocOC | haga: probably not, I gotta go get my nifty hybrid car registered at the dmv tomorrow. |
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| 06:33.21 | haga | ic |
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| 06:33.37 | haga | DocOC: but you're sure its gonna work? |
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| 06:35.08 | DocOC | haga: look for the model number on this page: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
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| 06:35.43 | tuxvix | stew: find anything? |
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| 06:35.51 | el_mexicano | hi |
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| 06:36.50 | tuxvix | wow, debian froze my digital camera, and I could not power it down. |
| 06:36.59 | el_mexicano | hätte mal jemand zeit meinen ssh schutz zu testen? |
| 06:37.01 | stew | tuxvix: no, unfortunately i don't see anywhere saying what refresh it is actually using. your monitor is claiming to support 75hz however, you might clamp the rate to 60 hz in the xorg.conf to see if it makes a difference |
| 06:37.07 | tuxvix | I needed to take the batteries off. |
| 06:37.35 | pstickne | paolo_, if it's from the X config... :( maybe NV release other configuration tools? |
| 06:37.35 | tuxvix | ok thanks stew |
| 06:37.35 | tuxvix | stew: what about my ntfs partition problem? |
| 06:37.57 | tuxvix | It's showing the "Beta" drive on the desktop. |
| 06:38.02 | tuxvix | but I can't access it. |
| 06:38.32 | tuxvix | it shows me "disks-conf-hdd1" window and this error: |
| 06:38.33 | tuxvix | You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "disks-conf-hdd1". |
| 06:38.34 | ph00__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.45 | stew | tuxvix: can you access it from a terminal? how is it mounted? |
| 06:38.54 | ph00__ | goddamnit! |
| 06:38.59 | tuxvix | stew: how? |
| 06:39.07 | pstickne | paolo_, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-d.html |
| 06:39.15 | stew | tuxvix: can you ls /path/to/mountpoint? |
| 06:39.16 | pstickne | paolo_, see Option "RandRRotation" "boolean" |
| 06:39.31 | tuxvix | stew: looks like its mounted to /tmp/disks-conf-hdd1/ |
| 06:39.46 | stew | tuxvix: did you mount it? |
| 06:40.06 | tuxvix | stew: only tru "Disks" program |
| 06:40.10 | stew | tuxvix: or was it automatically mounted? |
| 06:40.12 | tuxvix | in administration menu |
| 06:40.25 | tuxvix | but when I use menu > Desktop > Administration > Disks > Browse button |
| 06:40.33 | stew | i have no idea what that is. how does it show up when you run "mount"? |
| 06:41.04 | tuxvix | shet, no mp3's xvid crap O_O |
| 06:41.08 | tuxvix | how do I fix that |
| 06:41.09 | DocOC | haga: I can't seem to find out what chipset it is from the information on the web-page. |
| 06:41.24 | tuxvix | when I try to open mp3 or xvid file nothing |
| 06:41.39 | streuner | tuxvix: so GNOME? |
| 06:41.45 | tuxvix | yeah |
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| 06:41.56 | streuner | tuxvix: what happens if you mount it by hand? |
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| 06:41.59 | tuxvix | damn, when I used "Sarge" I had more support there :) |
| 06:42.09 | tuxvix | streuner: how? |
| 06:42.27 | streuner | mount /dev/hd(x) /mountpoint |
| 06:42.46 | tuxvix | should I unmout it first? |
| 06:43.00 | streuner | stew: maybe a bug in automount feature in GNOME |
| 06:43.12 | tuxvix | yeah, I bet |
| 06:43.39 | pstickne | paolo_, then just see the xrandr command |
| 06:43.45 | stew | tuxvix: what does "mount | grep hdd1" display? |
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| 06:44.13 | tuxvix | stew: /dev/hdd1 on /tmp/disks-conf-hdd1 type ntfs (rw) |
| 06:44.30 | shalamar7 | hi all |
| 06:44.40 | streuner | well, you surely have that folder on /tmp/... |
| 06:44.50 | streuner | s/have/don't have/ |
| 06:44.54 | tuxvix | ok, worked kind of |
| 06:45.07 | tuxvix | here is what I did > |
| 06:45.08 | tuxvix | link:/home# mount /dev/hdd1 /media/Beta |
| 06:45.08 | tuxvix | link:/home# chmod 777 /media/Beta |
| 06:45.20 | tuxvix | but now I see lock on each file |
| 06:45.33 | stew | tuxvix: read about the umask / uid / gid options in "man mount" |
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| 06:45.37 | tuxvix | how do I due it so my user "tux" can access it |
| 06:46.00 | shalamar7 | I just recently installed a quickie debian gnome for the first time and it looks really clunky compared to KDE... like old Macintosh... do I just need to install more skin packages? I'm sure Gnome could look way better... |
| 06:46.11 | JeffH | Occasionally I'll get an e-mail from someone who's sending something to a bunch of people.. but I can't see the list of people they send it to.. any idea how that's done? |
| 06:46.42 | tuxvix | hah? |
| 06:46.45 | streuner | tuxvix: /msg dpkg ntfs |
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| 06:46.56 | tuxvix | no, I already mount it. |
| 06:46.58 | DocOC | JeffH: they used the 'bcc' field. |
| 06:46.58 | tuxvix | it works |
| 06:47.05 | tuxvix | but now I need to set proper permissions |
| 06:47.15 | ph00 | how's the line to switch nickserv password? |
| 06:47.23 | streuner | tuxvix: check out the factoid and run as 'user' 'id' |
| 06:47.27 | tuxvix | how can I allow my "tux" user to access Beta partition |
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| 06:47.31 | JeffH | DocOC: hm.. okay, I was thinking it was a different trick.. but thanks for the info. |
| 06:47.45 | streuner | tuxvix: and put the values into /etc/fstab |
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| 06:48.15 | shalamar7 | any ideas? |
| 06:48.27 | tato | I have the two official DVD's for sarge; i'd like to copy the repositories onto my harddrive so that I don't have to keep switching discs when apt-getting. whats the proper way to do this? |
| 06:48.45 | streuner | tato: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 06:49.07 | tuxvix | streuner: I need to set proper permission for my user tux |
| 06:49.13 | shalamar7 | tato: copy the debs into your apt cache |
| 06:49.14 | tato | ahh, thats nifty, thanks streuner |
| 06:49.25 | streuner | tuxvix: login in as user 'tux' and run 'id' |
| 06:50.35 | tato | shalamar7: what dir is the apt-cache? |
| 06:50.37 | shalamar7 | no one have any ideas? |
| 06:50.56 | shalamar7 | tato: lemme see... |
| 06:50.57 | peterS | tato: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 06:50.57 | tuxvix | I am as tux. |
| 06:51.04 | tuxvix | but I use "su" command |
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| 06:51.42 | tuxvix | I need something like chmod 777 /media/Beta for tux user. |
| 06:51.58 | peterS | tuxvix still has betamax media! |
| 06:51.59 | shalamar7 | tato: on mine it's /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 06:52.02 | tato | wait so copy 8GB to /var? |
| 06:52.19 | streuner | wth is 'betamax media'? |
| 06:52.35 | ajdlinux | streuner: old video format |
| 06:52.37 | peterS | streuner: a video cassette standard which pretty much died 25 years ago |
| 06:52.45 | shalamar7 | tato: right, you want to copy all to hard drive right? |
| 06:52.50 | peterS | streuner: made by Sony, competed with VHS |
| 06:53.05 | streuner | peterS: oh, this old video format |
| 06:53.05 | tato | hmmm someone once told me /var was for small files accessed often |
| 06:53.07 | tato | but oh well |
| 06:53.08 | tuxvix | peterS: What? I just namedit that way, its Western Digital 120gb |
| 06:53.18 | ajdlinux | tato: it is mostly |
| 06:53.19 | tuxvix | Beta in Greek is 2nd |
| 06:53.27 | shalamar7 | tato: other option is to rip disks to iso files |
| 06:53.28 | ajdlinux | tato: basically 'persistant temporary' files |
| 06:53.28 | tuxvix | I mean B |
| 06:53.31 | tuxvix | sorry |
| 06:53.51 | shalamar7 | tato: then mount them |
| 06:54.06 | tato | shalamar7: i actually like that idea; can I mount them and make apt-get think its a cd drive? |
| 06:54.30 | shalamar7 | tato: sure... lemme look up command |
| 06:54.31 | |ryan| | simple HW question... will a 66MHz PCI card work in a 33MHz PCI slot? |
| 06:54.56 | peterS | |ryan|: it's supposed to work. same with 64-bit PCI cards in 32-bit slots |
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| 06:55.23 | tuxvix | how does one install vlc in gnome? |
| 06:55.30 | |ryan| | anyone have a reccomendation for getting 4 SATA ports for under $100? |
| 06:55.38 | streuner | tuxvix: use xine, mplayer instead |
| 06:56.02 | Reliss | Hey, im gonna be netinstalling etch; I usually end up configuring mirrors when I was on sarge through that tool, but on etch that mirror selection isnt there I heard, so what do I put in the /etc/apt/sources.list?? |
| 06:56.04 | shalamar7 | tato: I have a scipt file I use for mounting CD/DVD images... it has one line... mount -o loop -t iso9660 $1 /mnt/cdimg |
| 06:56.15 | tuxvix | I like vlc |
| 06:56.19 | streuner | tuxvix: vlc isn't in etch atm, but you can use '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' |
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| 06:56.27 | eggzeck | apt-get install vlc - heh |
| 06:56.40 | shalamar7 | tato: $1 is the CD/DVD image file |
| 06:56.41 | Reliss | anyone?? |
| 06:56.57 | ph00 | reliss switching all the "sarge"s to "etch"s and all the "stable"s to "testing"s worked for me |
| 06:57.08 | |ryan| | the VIA chipset cards do not work |
| 06:57.13 | tuxvix | why does one reseave this crap =( |
| 06:57.13 | tuxvix | link:/home/tux# apt-get install vlc - heh |
| 06:57.14 | tuxvix | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 06:57.14 | tuxvix | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 06:57.23 | |ryan| | the SII works, but won't give me DMA with my seagate drives |
| 06:57.24 | JeffH | Is there a better way to send a message to a bunch of people and not let them see who all it is sent to other than just doing a bcc? |
| 06:57.29 | shalamar7 | tato: of course, you need a directory called /mnt/cdimg |
| 06:57.39 | ph00 | then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade should do the trick |
| 06:57.43 | Reliss | im gonna be netinstalling etch; I usually end up configuring mirrors when I was on sarge through that tool, but on etch that mirror selection isnt there I heard, so what do I put in the /etc/apt/sources.list?? |
| 06:57.46 | ajdlinux | tuxvix: is another apt-get or dpkg running? (when u get back) |
| 06:58.04 | streuner | ajdlinux: he's gone |
| 06:58.07 | ajdlinux | i know |
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| 06:58.44 | shalamar7 | tato: are you there? |
| 06:58.58 | Reliss | Can someone PLEASE answer my question??? |
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| 06:59.14 | tato | yea sorry I was getting my ripping started :-) |
| 06:59.21 | ajdlinux | Reliss: deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 06:59.30 | ajdlinux | Reliss: s/au/<your country>/ |
| 06:59.32 | shalamar7 | tato: np :) |
| 06:59.35 | stew | Reliss: "man sources.list" for the format of the file, ""/msg dpkg mirrors" to find a list of mirrors |
| 07:00.02 | Reliss | Why did they take this helpful tool out? it was only 3mb... |
| 07:00.14 | ajdlinux | ?? only ?? |
| 07:00.14 | omry | ----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- |
| 07:00.14 | omry | MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExADALBgkqhkiG9w0BBwGggDCCBN0wggPFoAMC |
| 07:00.14 | omry | AQICEH08nr31RgnjVNYaPMXhZ50wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgbQxCzAJBgNVBAYT |
| 07:00.14 | omry | AlVTMRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjEfMB0GA1UECxMWVmVyaVNpZ24g |
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| 07:00.32 | ajdlinux | hmm... very smart: pasting a whole certificate in... |
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| 07:00.38 | omry | oops |
| 07:00.45 | omry | good thing I was kicked :) |
| 07:00.47 | Reliss | XD |
| 07:00.51 | SpeedyG | hehe |
| 07:00.57 | Reliss | rafb.com/paste |
| 07:00.59 | tato | shalamar7: and after I mount the image to /mnt/cdimg, would adding "deb file:///mnt/cdimg/ sarge main" work? |
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| 07:01.58 | Reliss | if ftp.us.debian.org is a mirror, will http://http.us.deb.... be one?? |
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| 07:02.15 | Reliss | I get stuff faster over http |
| 07:02.28 | ajdlinux | Reliss: http would work |
| 07:02.42 | ajdlinux | its just that most servers support http over ftp.d.o anyway |
| 07:02.53 | shalamar7 | tato: I don't know about disk structure, and remember that you have at least 2 disks, right? (although you *could* just create a larger iso file) |
| 07:02.54 | stew | Reliss: no http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:02.57 | Reliss | I get like 120kb/s on ftp, and like 600/kb/s on http... |
| 07:03.23 | shalamar7 | poor tato |
| 07:03.25 | Reliss | rofl |
| 07:03.32 | tato | i might as well just use dial up |
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| 07:03.42 | ajdlinux | hmm, dialup is a BIT slowere |
| 07:03.57 | Reliss | Damn tato, youd have to do an overnight text file download :P |
| 07:04.26 | ajdlinux | Reliss: now thats exaggerrrrrratiiinnngg... |
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| 07:04.59 | shalamar7 | tato: if needed you can link from the disk image to /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 07:05.01 | Reliss | lolll |
| 07:05.27 | Reliss | ok, off to install |
| 07:05.36 | Reliss | You better all be wishing me good luck! |
| 07:06.08 | shalamar7 | tato: you could do: ln -s /mnt/cdimg/*deb /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 07:06.31 | shalamar7 | tato: if necessary |
| 07:07.08 | shalamar7 | tato: editiing sources.list is, of course, preferable |
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| 07:08.27 | shalamar7 | tato: what is the chat command for an "action" like you just did? |
| 07:08.27 | stew | tato: sounds like maybe you ant apt-move or apt-zip |
| 07:08.43 | ajdlinux | shalamar7: /me |
| 07:08.52 | stew | ^ant^want |
| 07:08.52 | shalamar7 | ahh |
| 07:09.13 | shalamar7 | heh |
| 07:09.38 | shalamar7 | ajdlinux: example of /me command as typed? |
| 07:09.54 | Reliss | methinks shananigans are afoot |
| 07:09.55 | tato | just try it |
| 07:09.59 | ajdlinux | shalamar7: / me this is a test |
| 07:10.00 | Reliss | rawr |
| 07:10.02 | ajdlinux | remove the space |
| 07:10.13 | tato | its the most fun you can have on IRC, besiding trolling |
| 07:10.27 | Reliss | : / methis is a test |
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| 07:10.32 | Reliss | IT doesnt work zomg |
| 07:10.39 | tuxvix | how does one chmod |
| 07:10.40 | shalamar7 | heheh |
| 07:10.45 | bucky | !test |
| 07:10.45 | dpkg | Sorry, bucky, I didn't get your test. |
| 07:10.51 | Reliss | !hate |
| 07:10.51 | dpkg | it has been said that hate is opposite of love (see love) |
| 07:10.51 | azeem | tuxvix: man chmod |
| 07:10.53 | tuxvix | I mean I want to geave my tux user permission to "Beta" drive |
| 07:10.58 | tuxvix | yes |
| 07:10.59 | bucky | !sex |
| 07:10.59 | tuxvix | I know |
| 07:10.59 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 07:11.09 | azeem | bucky: please /msg the bot |
| 07:11.11 | tuxvix | I did chmod 777 /media/Beta as a root |
| 07:11.18 | ajdlinux | tuxvix: that should work |
| 07:11.19 | tuxvix | but my user tux can't access it |
| 07:11.23 | stew | tuxvix: you don't want to chmod a ntfs volume, read about uid/gid/umask in man mount |
| 07:11.28 | ajdlinux | did u mount it or root mount it? |
| 07:11.40 | tuxvix | stew: can you geave me a hint |
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| 07:11.54 | bucky | Michael Wanck |
| 07:12.11 | shalamar7 | dpkg is a perv |
| 07:12.16 | shalamar7 | heheh |
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| 07:12.39 | tuxvix | ok the chmod u+rwx,go+rx,go-w |
| 07:12.41 | tuxvix | worked kind of |
| 07:12.48 | stew | !read-ntfs |
| 07:12.49 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 07:12.52 | tuxvix | now I see only "x" on the folders |
| 07:13.01 | stew | tuxvix: stop using chmod and read what dpkg just said |
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| 07:14.09 | streuner_ | !unix lessons |
| 07:14.10 | dpkg | somebody said unix lessons was (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 07:14.21 | streuner_ | tuxvix: read (1) |
| 07:15.56 | shalamar7 | !perv |
| 07:16.03 | stew | shalamar7: please /msg the bot |
| 07:16.05 | shalamar7 | heheh :) |
| 07:16.17 | hjubal | re |
| 07:16.24 | shalamar7 | ah |
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| 07:17.06 | shalamar7 | tato: well if the solution I gave isn't quite right, it should be a good start anyway |
| 07:17.29 | shalamar7 | meanwhile can anyone answer this... |
| 07:17.32 | shalamar7 | I just recently installed a quickie debian gnome for the first time and it looks really clunky compared to KDE... like old Macintosh... do I just need to install more skin packages? I'm sure Gnome could look way better... |
| 07:17.53 | azeem | shalamar7: on stableß |
| 07:18.04 | azeem | choose the industrial theme, e.g. |
| 07:18.18 | shalamar7 | I'm using etch |
| 07:18.34 | azeem | etch should have a reasonable default theme |
| 07:18.57 | shalamar7 | azeem: It looked like old Mac |
| 07:19.10 | azeem | that is pretty subjective |
| 07:19.27 | azeem | post a screenshot if you think there is a proble somewhere |
| 07:19.34 | sanityx | !sid |
| 07:19.34 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 07:20.18 | ajdlinux | sanityx: if its not relevant /msg it |
| 07:20.26 | sanityx | o ok thanks, sorry. |
| 07:20.51 | shalamar7 | azeem: is it supposed to be low-res (640x480 or so) by default? |
| 07:21.12 | azeem | shalamar7: no |
| 07:21.18 | tuxvix | later everyone, thank you for the help :) |
| 07:21.19 | azeem | that is a problem with your X configuration |
| 07:21.38 | azeem | shalamar7: or are you saying that KDE is running with a higher resolution on the same box? |
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| 07:22.06 | tato | shalamar7: yea, I looked at one of the repositories that were already in my /etc/apt/sources.list and the dir structure was the same as the cd rom, meaning the dvd image can probably be added to the sources.list just fine probably |
| 07:22.20 | shalamar7 | azeem: it is, but this is a seperate config so... |
| 07:22.26 | shalamar7 | tato: cool |
| 07:22.31 | azeem | shalamar7: then you need to fix your X setup |
| 07:22.38 | shalamar7 | azeem: ah |
| 07:22.59 | azeem | shalamar7: you can try to run gnome-display-properties |
| 07:23.20 | azeem | maybe this lets you choose a higher resolution, but probably X is the culprit here |
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| 07:23.33 | shalamar7 | azeem: ok |
| 07:24.03 | nrdb | I have a debian install DVD, it boots (on a laptop), asks for the keyboard type etc. then says it can't mount the CDROM :( how do I get this to work? |
| 07:24.03 | deadcat | there WAS a bug in apache 1.3.34-3.. -4 fixed it |
| 07:24.20 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:24.27 | streuner | you filed a bugreport? |
| 07:24.52 | streuner | ...before |
| 07:25.03 | davi_ | How to recompile a deb source package ? |
| 07:25.18 | stew | davi_: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 07:25.27 | stew | !drxxorg shalamar7 |
| 07:25.27 | dpkg | shalamar7: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 07:25.51 | davi_ | thanks stew |
| 07:26.12 | shalamar7 | ya thanks stew |
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| 07:26.44 | test | I want to create a automated Installed, that installs all the packages that I have right now... like the ubuntu installer, but then only with the packages that I have... |
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| 07:26.54 | test | I want to create a automated Installer, that installs all the packages that I have right now... like the ubuntu installer, but then only with the packages that I have... |
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| 07:27.04 | stew | test: /msg dpkg fai |
| 07:28.04 | nrdb | Hi I have the 3.1r2 install DVD, when trying to install debian on my laptop, it asks for the keyboard type etc. then says it can't mount the DVD can anyone help? |
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| 07:28.47 | Hocus | is it a matter of video card if opengl games are unlplayable (too slow)? |
| 07:29.02 | streuner | no |
| 07:29.20 | ajdlinux | Hocus: usually not the card, the driver |
| 07:29.31 | shalamar7 | Hocus: probably not... what do you have? |
| 07:29.57 | stew | shalamar7: please keep it in channel so others can help/benefit |
| 07:30.01 | shalamar7 | ajdlinux: amen borother... preach it! |
| 07:30.04 | stew | shalamar7: and be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 07:30.15 | tato | ajdlinux: you talk as though there's an alternative |
| 07:30.17 | tato | is there? |
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| 07:30.31 | BreiteSeite | Hi |
| 07:30.37 | ajdlinux | tato: not really |
| 07:30.55 | ajdlinux | except using some crap video cards from DECENT FRIENDLY companies |
| 07:30.56 | stew | tato: intel drivers aren't proprietary |
| 07:30.57 | ajdlinux | eg VIA |
| 07:31.08 | tato | i just want good 2D accel (good enough to play DVD no problem) and okay 3D |
| 07:31.11 | ajdlinux | tato: also ATIs < 9250 work |
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| 07:31.19 | ajdlinux | (afaik) |
| 07:31.20 | shalamar7 | stew: "/msg dpkg fai" gets no response |
| 07:31.37 | stew | !fai |
| 07:31.38 | dpkg | from memory, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 07:31.54 | BreiteSeite | I wish to add a user in pure-ftpd... 'cause it's lokal, i wish to give access to the summary system... how is the syntax... pure-pw useradd root -u root -D ?!? |
| 07:32.01 | stew | shalamar7: that was for "test" not for you, though |
| 07:32.08 | eleftherios | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.12 | tato | ajdlinux: ati's <9250 have 3d accel? |
| 07:32.21 | nrdb | Hi I have the 3.1r2 install DVD, when trying to install debian on my laptop, it asks for the keyboard type etc. then says it can't mount the DVD can anyone help? |
| 07:32.21 | tato | (with free drivers) |
| 07:32.26 | stew | tato: yes |
| 07:32.27 | shalamar7 | stew: ya, I was just curious about it |
| 07:32.33 | ajdlinux | tato: yeah, not the best, but afaik they do use the open source/free DRI system |
| 07:32.40 | tato | thats kinda cool |
| 07:32.48 | fireba11 | hum .. am getting a mail where cron-apt complains about "mail: command not found" .. ^^ |
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| 07:32.49 | ajdlinux | i have a 7000 in another machine |
| 07:32.50 | tato | though are they even for say anymore? |
| 07:32.51 | ajdlinux | that works |
| 07:32.57 | ajdlinux | eBay |
| 07:33.03 | shalamar7 | nVidia and it's drivers rock! |
| 07:33.04 | ajdlinux | can get them for < $30 |
| 07:33.05 | stew | tato: "man radeon" will list the chipset which have 3d support with the free driver |
| 07:33.07 | ajdlinux | $20 |
| 07:33.24 | shalamar7 | not open source but... |
| 07:33.24 | streuner | ATI's support for open source sucks badly |
| 07:33.31 | ajdlinux | hmm yeah |
| 07:33.45 | ajdlinux | they used to release specs under NDAs to XFree86 devs |
| 07:33.52 | ajdlinux | but then they stopped that |
| 07:34.41 | shalamar7 | what do you think of nVidia? |
| 07:34.43 | tato | has AMD itself been forthcoming to free software? |
| 07:34.50 | ajdlinux | til now yeah |
| 07:34.54 | tato | nvidia is "nVidious" |
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| 07:35.09 | shalamar7 | tato: why so? |
| 07:35.12 | ajdlinux | btw apparently over at http://r300.sf.net theres a driver project going |
| 07:35.27 | streuner | its pretty dead |
| 07:35.29 | ajdlinux | hmm |
| 07:35.30 | ajdlinux | yeah |
| 07:35.33 | tato | they threaten people trying to reverse engineer cards that they paid for |
| 07:35.41 | ajdlinux | iirc FSF was supporting it |
| 07:35.41 | tato | with lawsuits, i mean |
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| 07:36.01 | ajdlinux | "This note was placed on 2006-Jul-15 by Vladimir Dergachev" |
| 07:36.07 | shalamar7 | tato: and closed source drivers |
| 07:36.12 | ajdlinux | i assume that means the development shift has occured quite recently |
| 07:36.32 | ajdlinux | although looking at the news items it seems that that happened last yr |
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| 07:37.05 | streuner | ajdlinux: are you a DD? |
| 07:37.20 | shalamar7 | well, thanks loads for help all |
| 07:37.34 | ajdlinux | streuner: no, soon i hope to be a maintainer though |
| 07:37.45 | tato | DD? |
| 07:37.46 | ajdlinux | streuner: why? u want a package up? |
| 07:37.46 | streuner | ic |
| 07:37.53 | ajdlinux | DD == debian developer |
| 07:37.55 | streuner | tato: debian developer |
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| 07:38.26 | streuner | ajdlinux: nah, just insterested |
| 07:38.38 | streuner | s/insterested/interested/ |
| 07:38.44 | nrdb | Hi I have the 3.1r2 install DVD, when trying to install debian on my laptop, it asks for the keyboard type etc. then says it can't mount the DVD can anyone help? |
| 07:38.52 | ajdlinux | streuner: apparently it takes a LONG time to become a DD |
| 07:39.04 | ajdlinux | nrdb: what sort of DVD drive do u have? |
| 07:39.14 | streuner | be a woman with charme! ;-) |
| 07:39.33 | nrdb | ajdlinux: no idea it cam with the laptop |
| 07:39.34 | streuner | it might help then :-) |
| 07:39.56 | ajdlinux | nrdb: just a dvd-rom? |
| 07:40.08 | nrdb | ajdlinux: yes |
| 07:40.19 | BreiteSeite | how can i find out to a user a userid and a groupid? |
| 07:40.34 | streuner | id |
| 07:40.38 | stew | BreiteSeite: id username |
| 07:40.48 | BreiteSeite | thx :) |
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| 07:41.38 | tato | nrdb: which laptop |
| 07:41.48 | streuner | ajdlinux: there are almost 1000 DD's, so they managed it to become one... |
| 07:41.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:41.55 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:41.57 | streuner | no magic |
| 07:42.11 | nrdb | tato: a compaq presario 1700 |
| 07:42.14 | tarzeau | ajdlinux, streuner it wasn't always like that |
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| 07:42.22 | ajdlinux | streuner: a lot of them got in before the new NM system came in |
| 07:42.32 | tarzeau | ajdlinux: which new NM system? |
| 07:42.49 | streuner | hm, i thought the new system should change that? |
| 07:42.50 | tarzeau | ajdlinux: even before any NM existed |
| 07:42.59 | tarzeau | streuner: it did, a few things |
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| 07:44.18 | ajdlinux | tarzeau: yeah thats what i mean |
| 07:46.35 | ph00 | I just installed nessus 3.0.3 (the #nessus channel is kinda dead) but it came without a GUI (NessusClient) and I can't fine the download @ nessus.org. anybody knows where to get it? |
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| 07:47.06 | ajdlinux | ph00: btw nessus is now proprietary, is nessusclient an extension or somehting? |
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| 07:47.27 | tato | isn't it called wreshark or something? |
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| 07:47.30 | tato | wireshark |
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| 07:47.57 | rvg | wireshark was ethereal |
| 07:48.22 | ajdlinux | nessus is a security scanner not a ... whatsitcalled |
| 07:48.41 | row | Anyone recommend a not so overpriced ssl cert company? I need to secure a webserver and a mail server on different ips same root domain? |
| 07:48.47 | ajdlinux | traffic analyser |
| 07:48.49 | ajdlinux | hm |
| 07:49.03 | ajdlinux | row: if compatibility doesn't really matter use CACert |
| 07:49.23 | ajdlinux | by compatibility i mean browsers etc accepting it |
| 07:49.27 | row | it does |
| 07:49.31 | ajdlinux | oh ok |
| 07:49.35 | row | otherwise I would just used self signed ones |
| 07:49.42 | ajdlinux | hm |
| 07:49.49 | ajdlinux | CAcert is a bit better than self signed |
| 07:49.51 | row | they are all so fucking expensive |
| 07:49.57 | ajdlinux | because u at least know where they are |
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| 07:52.09 | nrdb | Hi I have the 3.1r2 install DVD, when trying to install debian on my laptop (compaq presario 1700), it asks for the keyboard type etc. then says it can't mount the DVD can anyone help? |
| 07:52.41 | row | ajdlinux: is there a site where you can see % of uptake in clients for different roots? |
| 07:52.52 | Roots | Yes, my site has lots of Roots |
| 07:52.57 | row | lol |
| 07:53.40 | ph00 | adjlinux I dont't really know, all I know is that I tried to launch nessus, and it works but only intesxt mode and a warning said if you want a GUI install NessusClient, but that's not on thir site (I couldn't find it) |
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| 07:55.21 | ph00 | adjlinux of course it's a security scanner, why? *what* is it called? |
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| 07:57.02 | elias_ | XFS says unknown mount option acl in dmsg and now is read-only. But this is my ROOT fs. How to get it back rw? |
| 07:58.02 | ajdlinux | ph00: no i was just saying that ethereal's not a security scanner |
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| 07:58.23 | ph00 | ah ok |
| 07:58.43 | ph00 | and what about the nessus' gone GUI? where do I get that? |
| 07:59.07 | ph00 | (I'm still exploring nessus.org) |
| 07:59.24 | ph00 | but I can't find it |
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| 08:04.10 | fireba11 | geez .. getting a mail where cron-apt complains about not finding the mail command is kind stupid |
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| 08:04.50 | tralala | fireba11: not if you use mutt |
| 08:04.51 | ph00 | computers are stupid, they take everything litterally... |
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| 08:07.31 | rewt22 | hey all, I come from fedora (gnome), and I just installed (etch) xorg, gnome, gdm, and my stuff is happening sluggishly, like when I navigate in a menu, pull one up, or move a program window around, its nto like lag, but it moves sluggishly, starts up fast, but still; what is happening? |
| 08:08.45 | ph00 | My money is on the video driver |
| 08:09.01 | liable | rewt22: does top show anything hogging cpu? |
| 08:09.05 | ph00 | video settings |
| 08:09.17 | rewt22 | Im really new to this, cna you walk me through the command of checking? |
| 08:09.21 | fireba11 | tralala: no ..thats a etch installation . somehow netinstall didn't come with MTA by default so i installed exim4 .. anything else i need to have status emails delivered to my mailserver ?` |
| 08:09.58 | liable | fireba11: file a bug, it certainly should have installed an mta, never seen it not. |
| 08:10.57 | tralala | fireba11: mail is not an MTA - it's a reader. But exim is all you need to receive mail. If you want to read the recieved mail though you might want to install mutt. |
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| 08:11.18 | rewt22 | liable: How do I check the video driver? |
| 08:11.22 | sid | How can I tell which program is using my soundcard currently? |
| 08:11.24 | fireba11 | tralala: nah .. don't want to read mail on that box .. but cron-apt complains about not finding mail command |
| 08:11.28 | fireba11 | liable: thought so .. |
| 08:11.43 | liable | rewt22: type 'top' first and see if anything is hogging the cpu/mem |
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| 08:11.59 | liable | sid: lsof/fuser |
| 08:12.07 | liable | sid: most likely esd/artds |
| 08:12.12 | tralala | liable: is this any good with alsa? |
| 08:12.13 | liable | artsd.. |
| 08:12.25 | rewt22 | liable: I did, and it doesnt seem to be out of the ordinary, and I have 2gig RAM |
| 08:12.26 | stew | sid: lsof | egrep snd\|dsp |
| 08:12.47 | sid | stew: That returned nothing. |
| 08:12.48 | liable | tralala: if you can work out which dev your card is, yes, (normally takes a bit of trial and error) |
| 08:13.05 | sid | stew: "snd" returns nothing. |
| 08:13.16 | liable | tralala: but it normally hogs dsp anyway |
| 08:13.36 | rewt22 | liable: So if there's nothing hogging it, then what can it be? |
| 08:14.01 | tralala | liable: right... I'm totaly ignorant about the alsa devices. |
| 08:14.14 | stew | sid: did you run it as root? did you run that entire command? "lsof | egrep snd\|dsp" |
| 08:14.31 | sid | stew: yes I ran it as root and I typed that whole command. |
| 08:14.38 | liable | rewt22: something prolly broken, etch is fairly good, but it still breaks, try another desktop/wm |
| 08:14.38 | sid | stew: lsof|grep -i snd shows nothing also. |
| 08:14.50 | stew | sid: and the same for dsp? |
| 08:15.05 | rewt22 | liable: I tried kde, and the same thing, and fluxbox.. |
| 08:15.09 | sid | yes |
| 08:15.11 | hjubal | !confort hjubal |
| 08:15.11 | dpkg | There, there, hjubal. hjubal will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 08:15.19 | rewt22 | liable: So how do I check what driver im using for vid? |
| 08:15.21 | liable | rewt22: hrm |
| 08:15.45 | sid | firefox-b 5107 john mem REG 3,1 258180 2032064 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-wmp.so |
| 08:15.45 | sid | firefox-b 5107 john mem REG 3,1 3479 1900565 /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mplayerplug-in.mo |
| 08:15.50 | sid | I think it's that. |
| 08:15.55 | sid | But I don't want to restart firefox. |
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| 08:16.19 | sid | I know if I restart firefox sound will work again. |
| 08:16.29 | liable | rewt22: check your xorg.conf, actually, check the log too, to see if any errors show up. (though i dont think it would be the video driver) |
| 08:17.18 | liable | sid: ps aux|grepp mplayer, you may have an instance running that didnt die |
| 08:17.21 | rewt22 | liable: like, run an older gnome on fedora with higher settings and it runs smooth, so what can be the difference between that, and this one? And I did look for errors in both logs and xorg config |
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| 08:18.00 | liable | rewt22: fedora and debian both have different versions and are packaged/built differently, so it could be a million things |
| 08:18.06 | sid | liable: no, mplayer isn't running |
| 08:18.09 | rewt22 | liable: =[ |
| 08:19.03 | liable | rewt22: try using vesa for xorg, see if it changes anything |
| 08:19.33 | rewt22 | liable: Hope im not being a hassle, but how would I do that XD |
| 08:19.50 | liable | rewt22: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:20.00 | earthling | so, just where is the darn apt.conf file? apt.conf -? (forgot the switch) lists the contents of the file but I cant find the darn thing. |
| 08:20.01 | rewt22 | liable: ok, ill try that now |
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| 08:20.31 | liable | earthling: unless you have made one, you wont have one. |
| 08:21.34 | rewt22 | liable: I was using vesa |
| 08:21.43 | tralala | earthling: do you have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d? |
| 08:21.54 | liable | rewt22: whats the card? |
| 08:21.56 | earthling | ok, added "APT::Cache-Limit=<some big number>;" to /etc/apt/apt.config and it still didn't solve synaptic MMap error problem.. |
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| 08:22.16 | earthling | tralala: yes |
| 08:22.18 | rewt22 | liable: VIA Unichrome integrated graphics (nvidia fried ><) |
| 08:22.21 | liable | earthling: /msg dpkg mmap (paste what it says) |
| 08:22.27 | rewt22 | liable: So I guess I should try the via driver.. |
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| 08:22.33 | rewt22 | lol |
| 08:23.01 | liable | rewt22: i dont know what that card uses, google the lspci line and try the correct driver |
| 08:23.36 | rewt22 | liable: And how do I get this wonderful line? :) |
| 08:23.38 | drasko | Hi all. Where can I see list of modules that compiled in the kernel (when selected in menuconfig as a build-in modules)? |
| 08:23.56 | tralala | earthling: add it there |
| 08:23.58 | earthling | liable: i'll have to ssh to my box at home ... give me a sec, ok? (working now) |
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| 08:24.49 | liable | rewt22: lspci |
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| 08:27.02 | earthling | oops.. |
| 08:27.16 | ph00 | got it! |
| 08:27.18 | ph00 | I found my nessus GUI |
| 08:27.30 | ph00 | it was right before my nose all the time of course... |
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| 08:31.00 | drasko | Hi all. Where can I see list of modules that compiled in the kernel (when selected in menuconfig as a build-in modules)? |
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| 08:33.13 | earthling | ok, I added the apt::cache-limit thing and it seems to be working... will have to run synaptic when I get home to test it ... |
| 08:33.14 | liable | grep =y /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 08:33.26 | liable | earthling: run apt-get over ssh |
| 08:33.33 | liable | same thing.. |
| 08:33.55 | rewt22 | liable: After I changed the video driver, do I need to reboot? |
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| 08:34.04 | liable | rewt22: nope |
| 08:34.06 | istupido | hehehe my ipv6 start correctly |
| 08:34.19 | rewt22 | liable: Just restart X? |
| 08:34.22 | earthling | id did but the problem was with synaptic... I did get the error a couple times at the cli but was always getting it with synaptic ... |
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| 08:34.36 | ESPOiG | wen u write up a executable script thingo and you select it to show wats happening in terminal how do you get it not to auto-close the terminal |
| 08:34.42 | liable | rewt22: yes, if you used dpkg to reconfigure, it would have restarted it |
| 08:35.02 | drasko | Hi all. Where can I see list of modules that compiled in the kernel (when selected in menuconfig as a build-in modules)? |
| 08:35.16 | earthling | let me find a safe pkg to install via cli and see what happens.. |
| 08:35.19 | eth0x | is there a package i can download with C header files? i'm trying to write basic socket code and it won't even compile just gets a whole load of errors and i believe it's due to the headers. |
| 08:35.19 | liable | ESPOiG: do you think you could possibly write in english rather than aolspeak? |
| 08:35.27 | liable | drasko: see me comment ^^ |
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| 08:35.32 | liable | my.. |
| 08:35.36 | ESPOiG | meh |
| 08:35.41 | liable | drasko: the grep one |
| 08:36.05 | drasko | liable: grep =y /boot/config-`uname -r`? |
| 08:36.10 | liable | drasko: yes |
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| 08:36.41 | drasko | liable: and lsmod? or lsing something? That wont work? |
| 08:37.11 | liable | ESPOiG: libc6-dev |
| 08:37.23 | liable | eth0x: ^^ |
| 08:37.40 | liable | drasko: lsmod wont show compiled in modules, only modules |
| 08:37.59 | liable | drasko: if you want to list all modules available for that kernel, modprobe -l |
| 08:38.00 | ESPOiG | liable, whats that |
| 08:38.10 | liable | ESPOiG: sorry, wrong nick |
| 08:38.18 | ESPOiG | liable, lol |
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| 08:38.29 | sid | eth0x: apt-get install build-essential libc6-dev |
| 08:38.30 | drasko | liable: thanks |
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| 08:39.19 | eth0x | thanks sid |
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| 08:39.23 | rewt22 | liable: Is there any way I can get the video drivers from the fedora disks? |
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| 08:39.47 | liable | rewt22: no |
| 08:40.06 | rewt22 | liable: damnit. ill just keep trying different ones |
| 08:40.30 | liable | rewt22: vesa/vga/ and the correct one are the only ones that will work |
| 08:40.50 | rewt22 | ok, ill try vga |
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| 08:41.19 | rewt22 | use kernel framebuffer thingamajiggie? |
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| 08:41.32 | liable | rewt22: i would suspect something else, but i cant think how to debug it for you |
| 08:41.49 | link_36p | Anyone know why this isnt working? http://pastebin.ca/135908 |
| 08:42.14 | liable | rewt22: try the option other than you have been using |
| 08:42.17 | liable | meh |
| 08:42.52 | earthling | liable: i just installed amarok on my system (ssh using apt-get install) and seemed to work flawlessly.. I think it may be fixed.. (thanks) |
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| 08:43.08 | liable | earthling: cool |
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| 08:44.18 | rewt22 | liable: ok, vesa, vga made no difference >< |
| 08:45.10 | liable | rewt22: i cant think what may be causing it. ask in a hour or so, maybe someone else has a clue |
| 08:45.14 | Hoxzer | what would be an easy way to share networks (internet connection) |
| 08:45.16 | rewt22 | liable: instead of me going insane, can you just peek at this http://rafb.net/paste/results/iSUA0181.html |
| 08:45.35 | Hoxzer | if I have attached crossover cable to linux box and another cable to ADSL router |
| 08:45.46 | liable | Hoxzer: ipmasq |
| 08:46.05 | Hoxzer | liable: does it have a gui? |
| 08:46.40 | liable | Hoxzer: no |
| 08:46.41 | Hoxzer | also I have a really wierd problem if I have working internet connnection trought eth1 eth0 wont ping the other PC via crossover cable |
| 08:46.46 | Hoxzer | liable: k |
| 08:47.13 | liable | Hoxzer: man route (theres a couple of good examples) |
| 08:47.13 | Hoxzer | I have only set one gateway |
| 08:47.19 | eth0x | sid: i still get errors, when compiling most codes. |
| 08:47.22 | liable | thats why |
| 08:47.24 | Hoxzer | liable: need to check that |
| 08:47.26 | fireba11 | liable: okay .. despite having filed a bug against etch/amd64 for not having installed any MTA at all .. how do i get a working mail command so scripts can send me mails ? |
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| 08:48.09 | rewt22 | Can someone please look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/iSUA0181.html and get me the driver? Ill pay you 5$ in paypal if you get me working; it's sorda urgent |
| 08:48.31 | rewt22 | Don't wanna get fired here |
| 08:48.59 | sid | haha |
| 08:49.12 | sid | Your job is only worth $5 USD, that's sad. |
| 08:49.16 | sid | If it's worth so little to you, might as well quit now. |
| 08:49.50 | rewt22 | sid: I was hoping 5$ would be enough for a vets knowledge for a few minutes. |
| 08:50.18 | liable | fireba11: i guess mailx (provides mail cmd) |
| 08:50.33 | liable | fireba11: exim4 should have pulled it in |
| 08:50.39 | bionoid | fireba11: apt-get install nail - I prefer it because you can attach files and do other things you might need |
| 08:51.06 | fireba11 | liable: it didn't ^^ |
| 08:51.22 | sid | rewt22: What version of debian? |
| 08:51.25 | liable | !rdepends mailx etch |
| 08:51.33 | fireba11 | liable: okay, installed it now .. thanks |
| 08:51.34 | rewt22 | sid: etch |
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| 08:51.45 | liable | !wake up |
| 08:51.45 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 08:51.50 | sid | rewt22: Put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file on a paste website. |
| 08:51.54 | sid | !tell rewt22 about paste |
| 08:52.02 | rewt22 | sid: ok, one moment |
| 08:53.47 | rewt22 | sid: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dVYnJ233.html |
| 08:54.49 | sid | rewt22: Did you restart X? |
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| 08:54.56 | sid | rewt22: When was the last time X worked? |
| 08:54.56 | rewt22 | sid: yessum |
| 08:55.04 | rewt22 | sid: When I was on fedora.. |
| 08:55.07 | rewt22 | sid: xD |
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| 08:55.27 | rewt22 | sid: It works, but moving windows around and opening menus is slugish |
| 08:55.36 | rewt22 | sid: not lag slugish, but video wise sluggish |
| 08:55.36 | sid | rewt22: What window manager or desktop enviroment are you using? |
| 08:55.44 | rewt22 | sid: gnome |
| 08:55.47 | sid | rewt22: put /var/log/Xorg.0.log on rafb.net |
| 08:56.17 | sid | rewt22: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install xorg x-window-system-core gnome gdm; |
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| 08:56.25 | sid | rewt22: show me your /etc/apt/sources.list also |
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| 08:57.00 | bionoid | rewt22: Are you by chance running a 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:57.19 | bionoid | I noticed signifficant speedups when upgrading to 2.6 on somewhat old hardware.. |
| 08:57.20 | rewt22 | bionoid: no, 2.6 |
| 08:57.23 | rewt22 | sid: ok |
| 08:57.51 | rewt22 | sid: http://rafb.net/paste/results/spHuqK18.html ; I just installed this and its up to date, and my mirror is the ftp.us.debian |
| 08:57.59 | rewt22 | Thats my log btw |
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| 08:59.43 | sid | rewt22: Put the results of this command on rafb.net # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install xorg x-window-system-core gnome gdm; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; |
| 09:00.14 | rewt22 | sid: ok, one sec |
| 09:00.54 | Trewas | rewt22: you are using generic and very very slow vesa-driver and not one specific to your hardware |
| 09:01.29 | rewt22 | Trewas: http://rafb.net/paste/results/iSUA0181.html |
| 09:01.45 | Guerin | what video card have ye? |
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| 09:02.15 | rewt22 | sid: http://rafb.net/paste/results/idCQln36.html |
| 09:02.27 | rewt22 | Guerin: in that link: http://rafb.net/paste/results/iSUA0181.html |
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| 09:02.46 | Guerin | or you could just say 'ati' or 'nvidia' or something |
| 09:02.58 | Guerin | but there's a hard way to do anything |
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| 09:03.08 | rewt22 | Guerin: Crappy VIA Unichrome integrated |
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| 09:03.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:03.21 | Trewas | s3 unichrome, which seems to be supported with driver "via" |
| 09:03.31 | sid | rewt22: When you boot the machine what happens? YOu get the x could not start dialogue box and it asks you if you want to see the log file? |
| 09:03.38 | rewt22 | Trewas: I tried that, and it showed NO difference :S |
| 09:03.42 | Guerin | unichrome has an actual free software driver and was supposedly pretty good |
| 09:03.51 | Guerin | one of the reglars in here was on the dev team for it |
| 09:03.52 | rewt22 | sid: starts up fine |
| 09:03.53 | Guerin | !unichrome |
| 09:03.53 | dpkg | from memory, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 09:04.02 | Guerin | there ya go ^ |
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| 09:04.29 | rewt22 | so i can get the driver from unichrome.sf.net? |
| 09:04.31 | sid | If vesa doesn't work it's unlikely "via" will work. |
| 09:04.34 | liable | i think you mob need to know his actuall problem.. |
| 09:04.41 | rewt22 | sid: tried both |
| 09:04.43 | rewt22 | sid: no diff |
| 09:04.45 | sid | yea, I was about to ask |
| 09:04.49 | sid | What is your problem? |
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| 09:05.05 | rewt22 | sid: Everything that moves on my screen is sluggish |
| 09:05.11 | sid | You have no errors in your X log |
| 09:05.22 | sid | You have the latest gnome/gdm/x-window-system-core/xorg |
| 09:05.23 | sid | ahh |
| 09:05.24 | sid | lol |
| 09:05.27 | rewt22 | sid: not lag sluggish, but video sluggish |
| 09:05.35 | rewt22 | sid: nothing tieing up RAM |
| 09:06.43 | sid | rewt22: xrandr -s 800x600 |
| 09:06.58 | rewt22 | sid: I use 1024x860 |
| 09:07.11 | rewt22 | sid: still type that tho? |
| 09:07.11 | sid | Well you have a crappy onboard video card. |
| 09:07.26 | sid | yea, see if it speeds up with a lower resolution |
| 09:07.29 | rewt22 | sid: it works fine on 1024x860 on windows, fedora, knoppix... |
| 09:07.42 | rewt22 | sid: Debian sarge.. |
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| 09:08.27 | sid | rewt22: Did you see what X driver was being used with fedora / knoppix? |
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| 09:08.36 | Guerin | i don't think that card is specifically supported in sarge - use etch |
| 09:09.10 | edrin | is it: "classify sth. for" or "classify sth. by" ?? |
| 09:09.15 | sid | Guerin: He is using etch. |
| 09:09.15 | rewt22 | Guerin: im in etch, it works in sarge |
| 09:09.20 | Guerin | oh. |
| 09:09.29 | rewt22 | I dont see why ti works in sarge and not etch |
| 09:09.31 | rewt22 | it* |
| 09:10.22 | sep | rewt22, and you are sure that you are not using the vesa driver or some such ? |
| 09:10.35 | rewt22 | I tried vesa, via |
| 09:10.49 | rewt22 | im on one of those |
| 09:10.53 | rewt22 | or VGA |
| 09:10.54 | rewt22 | all 3 |
| 09:10.59 | rewt22 | All the same result |
| 09:12.14 | link_36p | Anyone here got experience with mencoder? |
| 09:12.38 | rewt22 | ok, I downloaded the driver, and these files are in the folder.. autogen.sh ChangeLog configure.ac Imakefile Makefile.am man README src |
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| 09:12.55 | rewt22 | And I can figure it out, I try to type ./configure, but it wont |
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| 09:14.42 | tarzeau | someone with opengl fast drivers and x and sid ? |
| 09:15.03 | liable | rewt22: install build-essential |
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| 09:15.23 | liable | tarzeau: yep (well, untill i sent the box back for warrenty) |
| 09:15.41 | rewt22 | liable: install: missing destination file operand after `build-essential' |
| 09:15.56 | tarzeau | liable: i need a few people to test briquolo and send a mail to 362897@bugs.debian.org telling "it works fine for me" |
| 09:16.18 | liable | tarzeau: remind me early next week :) |
| 09:16.20 | tarzeau | liable: or i can't downgrad the bug report meaning, some people who it works for, won't be able to enjoy the game |
| 09:16.38 | rewt22 | Liable: did you get that? |
| 09:16.55 | liable | rewt22: what exactly did you type? |
| 09:17.03 | rewt22 | install build-essential |
| 09:17.25 | rewt22 | in the driver folder |
| 09:17.36 | liable | rewt22: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 09:18.06 | rewt22 | liable: ok, its installing; whats it do? |
| 09:18.19 | ratbii | hi iam look for channel for debian sparc ?? |
| 09:18.40 | liable | rewt22: now try ./configure again (um, you prolly need kernel-headers too) |
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| 09:19.15 | rewt22 | I installed it and.. |
| 09:19.16 | rewt22 | Xri:/home/xri/Desktop/xf86-video-unichrome-0.2.5/src# ./configure bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
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| 09:20.06 | rewt22 | these files are in the folder.. autogen.sh ChangeLog configure.ac Imakefile Makefile.am man README src |
| 09:20.29 | liable | rewt22: oh, you need to run autogen.sh |
| 09:20.51 | rewt22 | liable: ok |
| 09:21.06 | liable | rewt22: readin the README is normally a good start.. :) |
| 09:21.20 | rewt22 | no readme :) |
| 09:21.26 | liable | um.. |
| 09:21.34 | liable | 19:19 < rewt22> these files are in the folder.. autogen.sh ChangeLog configure.ac Imakefile Makefile.am man README src |
| 09:21.41 | liable | see? |
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| 09:21.42 | rewt22 | rofl |
| 09:21.46 | rewt22 | It doesnt explain ANYTHING |
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| 09:21.49 | rewt22 | just who made it |
| 09:21.51 | rewt22 | Xri:/home/xri/Desktop/xf86-video-unichrome-0.2.5# sh autogen.sh |
| 09:21.51 | rewt22 | autogen.sh: line 9: autoreconf: command not found |
| 09:21.59 | rewt22 | And I cant seem to run the sh |
| 09:22.34 | liable | apt-get install autoconf |
| 09:22.41 | rewt22 | ><, ok, bbr |
| 09:22.42 | rewt22 | bbr |
| 09:22.47 | rewt22 | AHHH brb |
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| 09:24.01 | rewt22 | Oh great, another god damn error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FwhtNV55.html |
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| 09:24.57 | liable | rewt22: did you install build-essential? |
| 09:25.07 | rewt22 | liable: yes |
| 09:25.16 | liable | did it actually install? |
| 09:25.26 | rewt22 | liable: yep |
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| 09:26.00 | rewt22 | "Setting up build-essential (11.2) ..." |
| 09:26.01 | rewt22 | :) |
| 09:26.07 | five0 | what's the name of the tool that allows one to create a structured repository of packages in /var/cache/apt/archives for mirroring purposes? |
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| 09:26.30 | liable | rewt22: apt-get install automake1.7 |
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| 09:27.20 | Adrian | five0: apt-proxy ? |
| 09:27.26 | rewt22 | installed, tried to run the sh again |
| 09:27.29 | rewt22 | and another error |
| 09:27.41 | edrin | is it: "classify sth. for" or "classify sth. by" ?? |
| 09:27.41 | five0 | Adrian: does this work with existing debs? |
| 09:27.52 | rewt22 | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aW96ba74.html |
| 09:27.56 | five0 | Adrian: i don't believe it was apt-proxy though |
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| 09:28.20 | aminorex | how does one build a 2.6.17 kernel in debian? i'm having initramfs trouble. |
| 09:28.33 | jelly-home | five0: apt-move? |
| 09:28.48 | aminorex | using the unstable kernel source package |
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| 09:29.00 | liable | rewt22: aptitude install libtool |
| 09:29.21 | five0 | jelly-home: yes! thankyou |
| 09:29.24 | liable | this is getting tedious |
| 09:29.36 | rewt22 | liable: I know, please dont give up on me :P |
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| 09:29.53 | ratbii | i am trying to build the same on debian sparc ultra10 and getting unable to mount FS on Unknow Block 00;00 |
| 09:30.16 | liable | !sparc |
| 09:30.17 | dpkg | it has been said that sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 09:30.20 | five0 | jelly-home: out of curiosity, does 'installed-packages only' cover debs installed during setup? |
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| 09:30.57 | liable | ratbii: try the channel, though i think its pretty slow at times, prolly the list would be thego |
| 09:31.02 | rewt22 | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KTx9ZV93.html I dont think it's an error, but Im nto sure of the next step here |
| 09:31.05 | liable | the.. go.. |
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| 09:32.12 | liable | rewt22: apt-get install libxrandr-dev |
| 09:32.38 | rewt22 | liable: installed, now what |
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| 09:32.49 | liable | rewt22: autogen again |
| 09:32.52 | rewt22 | ok |
| 09:32.52 | ratbii | thx |
| 09:33.51 | rewt22 | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/YGM9xm29.html |
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| 09:34.38 | liable | rewt22: grr, just get the whole lot.. apt-get install xorg-dev |
| 09:34.53 | rewt22 | liable: ok, please stay online :P |
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| 09:37.09 | rewt22 | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OFILdA88.html odd? |
| 09:38.43 | liable | rewt22: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri-dev |
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| 09:40.19 | rewt22 | liable: that shortens the error to No package 'libdrm' found |
| 09:40.33 | rewt22 | liable: and apt-get install libdrm doesnt work |
| 09:40.52 | liable | rewt22: apt-get install libdrm-dev |
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| 09:41.09 | fireba11 | hm .. sounds really screwed up |
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| 09:41.20 | liable | heh, compiling x shits is a pita |
| 09:41.26 | deeptz | i am planning to buy turion based laptop |
| 09:41.38 | deeptz | does debian work on turion |
| 09:41.42 | deeptz | ethch or sarge |
| 09:41.47 | rewt22 | it made a make, im running ti liable |
| 09:42.17 | SlammerXP | deeptz: i have an acer ferrari 3000 with a turion processor, debian works fine |
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| 09:42.26 | rewt22 | liable: ok, I make installed it, everything looks good, now how do I make that driver....START |
| 09:42.38 | liable | rewt22: make install first |
| 09:42.42 | fireba11 | SlammerXP: so someone actually bought that thing ... ^^ |
| 09:42.45 | rewt22 | liable: I did |
| 09:42.50 | deeptz | slammerxp:which one sarge or etch |
| 09:43.05 | fireba11 | deeptz: both |
| 09:43.09 | deeptz | ok |
| 09:43.11 | liable | rewt22: pick via again |
| 09:43.14 | deeptz | thks |
| 09:43.22 | SlammerXP | fireba11: it's lovely |
| 09:43.24 | rewt22 | liable: ok, brb |
| 09:43.27 | SlammerXP | deeptz: either |
| 09:43.27 | liable | rewt22: or whatever it is that the module is.. i have no idea |
| 09:43.40 | deeptz | slammerxp:i am planning to buy a hp-comapaq one |
| 09:43.41 | fireba11 | SlammerXP: but way too expensive |
| 09:43.53 | SlammerXP | fireba11: it's an investment |
| 09:45.30 | fireba11 | SlammerXP: in acer ? :-) |
| 09:45.38 | SlammerXP | perhaps :) |
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| 09:46.05 | rewt22 | liable: ><!!!!! |
| 09:46.30 | liable | is that good or bad? |
| 09:46.33 | rewt22 | bad |
| 09:46.35 | rewt22 | Very |
| 09:46.36 | rewt22 | bad |
| 09:46.39 | eth0x | blah - programming on debian = no fun. Nothing is compiling.. even in perl stuff wont run without errors. |
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| 09:46.40 | rewt22 | It's the EXACT same |
| 09:47.20 | liable | rewt22: where di you get that source from anyway? is it an xorg driver or kernel module? |
| 09:47.21 | fireba11 | eth0x: hum .. thecode bug-free dummy :-) |
| 09:47.27 | fireba11 | then code even |
| 09:47.45 | Flash_ | r, eth0x wins the prize for "Most random and incorrect statement of the day" |
| 09:48.04 | rewt22 | liable: Unichrome Projects drivers |
| 09:48.09 | rewt22 | so...driver |
| 09:48.12 | liable | rewt22: gimme a link |
| 09:48.16 | fireba11 | Flash_: almost as shiny as the "useless use of cat" award |
| 09:48.39 | eth0x | it's not the code - it's because debian doesn't include all the basic stuff you need.. |
| 09:48.45 | rewt22 | liable: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102048&package_id=166541 |
| 09:49.00 | fireba11 | eth0x: maybe they got another definition of "basic stuff" |
| 09:49.18 | eth0x | for example, perl packages. sockets.. etc. |
| 09:49.23 | Suprano | what do you think about OpenPKG? |
| 09:49.54 | Guerin | i don't |
| 09:49.54 | rewt22 | umm...liable. |
| 09:50.04 | rewt22 | Debian etch is running kde smoothly.. |
| 09:50.09 | Guerin | since we have .deb, which is the most powerful packaging system known to man |
| 09:50.23 | karsten | Guerin: ... and policy, which drives it. |
| 09:50.26 | liable | rewt22: i thought you tried kde before? |
| 09:50.30 | Guerin | right. |
| 09:50.34 | karsten | Suprano: It's something that solves a problem I don't have. |
| 09:50.41 | rewt22 | Liable: I did, on sarge |
| 09:51.04 | rewt22 | Liable: so what the hell is wrong with gnome O.O |
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| 09:51.13 | Suprano | hmmm well it sounds good... a common packet system.. |
| 09:51.14 | liable | rewt22: right. give it a few days and try gnome or whatever again (after a few upgrades) |
| 09:51.36 | liable | rewt22: you can always poke around bugs.debian.org |
| 09:51.42 | rewt22 | liable: Why would my system run an older gnome, but not 2.14 |
| 09:52.20 | liable | rewt22: its a different version, theres prolly some bugs in it, i dunno |
| 09:52.24 | rewt22 | Or maybe I can install an older gnome...? |
| 09:52.24 | karsten | Suprano: ... for "Linux" (distro unspecified), Solaris, and FreeBSD. |
| 09:52.43 | karsten | Suprano: I'd surprise me greatly if it succeeded in doing what it claims. |
| 09:52.57 | rewt22 | liable: can I like apt-get install gnome[OLDERVERSIONNUMBER]? |
| 09:53.18 | LinuxHelp | Hi, whenever I create a file after logging in under my user (samba 3.0.22), the new file is owned by root. Yay! finally I can use those reserved superblocks on my fs.. No really: how do I fix this, so that new files are actually owned by the logged in user? |
| 09:53.19 | liable | rewt22: not really, no. you just have to wait for it to be fixed |
| 09:53.21 | Suprano | it lives for 5 years now ;) |
| 09:53.25 | LinuxHelp | debs testing ^^ |
| 09:53.30 | karsten | Suprano: http://www.openpkg.org/documentation/article/ |
| 09:53.38 | karsten | Suprano: What problem are *you* trying to solve? |
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| 09:53.49 | karsten | !tell rewt22 about downgrade |
| 09:54.00 | Suprano | noting, i was jst intersseted in this system |
| 09:54.01 | karsten | rewt22: you, like, totally can. |
| 09:54.05 | liable | LinuxHelp: was it you changing uids yesterday? |
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| 09:54.16 | LinuxHelp | liable, noo |
| 09:54.29 | liable | ok |
| 09:54.43 | rewt22 | karsten: Can I like some how like totally pick up an older .deb somewhere? :D |
| 09:55.22 | Guerin | it almost certainly won't work |
| 09:55.23 | liable | rewt22: do you realise how many packages make up 'gnome'? ever heard of dependancy hell? (i am sure you have coming from FC) |
| 09:55.37 | karsten | rewt22: Fer shure. Y'know, like, you read the groady factoid the like, bot just told you, you know? |
| 09:56.01 | karsten | rewt22: man aptitude '-i' option. |
| 09:56.02 | rewt22 | liable: Everyone says that about FC, i've redone it to heaven and had only one, which was fixed by a yum line :P |
| 09:56.11 | rewt22 | liable: I just heard good things about debian |
| 09:56.27 | rewt22 | karsten: ferszhizzi? |
| 09:56.40 | karsten | rewt22: erm. Search "To select a particular version" |
| 09:56.47 | karsten | rewt22: fershizzle. |
| 09:57.28 | karsten | rewt22: You can also pin specified packages if you want, or hold them. |
| 09:57.37 | Guerin | if you really really want to break shit, look at ... |
| 09:57.39 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 09:57.40 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 09:57.40 | liable | karsten: i think he means like an 'older' version, like total version, not just minor |
| 09:57.52 | rewt22 | like totally older |
| 09:57.57 | rewt22 | bliggity blue |
| 09:58.03 | karsten | rewt22: What package? |
| 09:58.09 | rewt22 | karsten: gnomeeee |
| 09:58.30 | karsten | liable: What's that old archive site and is it active (again?) |
| 09:58.33 | rewt22 | ah screw it, maybe ill just settle with KDE |
| 09:58.43 | liable | karsten: see Guerin 's dpkg ^^ |
| 09:58.54 | rewt22 | Gnome has officially pissed me off. |
| 09:59.03 | karsten | rewt22: Hrm. |
| 09:59.37 | rewt22 | karsten: I've been at this for 7 hours now O.O |
| 09:59.38 | karsten | rewt22: It'd probably be close to impossible with GNOME bacause of the deps, you'd have to install an older version of Debian, which would be unsupported. |
| 09:59.56 | rewt22 | ill settle with kde =[ |
| 10:00.04 | karsten | rewt22: Personally, I'd ditch gnome. KDE's OK, I run WindowMaker, point people at XFCE4 as well. |
| 10:00.09 | liable | gnome blows anyway |
| 10:00.17 | rewt22 | It's usually either KDE, or flux |
| 10:00.24 | rewt22 | I cant get used to anything else |
| 10:00.27 | Guerin | why is this a choice? |
| 10:00.31 | karsten | rewt22: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg01136.html |
| 10:00.33 | liable | xfce4 is ok |
| 10:00.41 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 10:00.53 | karsten | Guerin: And the One True Way[tm] is... ? |
| 10:00.53 | liable | cept last time i used it, it was being horrendously slow too |
| 10:01.01 | Guerin | kde over flux, when you're having trouble with video performance? |
| 10:01.07 | Guerin | come on, be real |
| 10:01.08 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. |
| 10:01.15 | rewt22 | guerin: KDE is running fine here.. |
| 10:01.31 | rewt22 | guerin: but gnome is SLOW |
| 10:01.36 | liable | i like e17 over all the minimalist wm's, at least its usable |
| 10:01.37 | Guerin | gnome is |
| 10:01.46 | liable | not that e17 is minimalist |
| 10:02.08 | rewt22 | Last time I used XFCE was with PHLAK, I sorda hated it =[ |
| 10:02.24 | Guerin | phlak is whak |
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| 10:02.37 | rewt22 | Knoppix STD was okeee |
| 10:02.44 | Guerin | hint: professional hackers don't need a linux assault kit |
| 10:02.50 | rewt22 | true |
| 10:02.56 | rewt22 | I just wanted to see the tools in it though |
| 10:03.11 | rewt22 | im no hax000r |
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| 10:03.16 | Guerin | you're the tool |
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| 10:03.20 | karsten | Guerin: Um, it *is* packaged. |
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| 10:03.28 | rewt22 | WTFRICK |
| 10:03.41 | Guerin | karsten: ? |
| 10:03.48 | karsten | Guerin: evilwm |
| 10:03.54 | Guerin | karsten: not for windows it's not |
| 10:04.10 | Guerin | rewt22: maybe he just wants to find his fungi |
| 10:04.11 | liable | !pal Guerin |
| 10:04.13 | rewt22 | is evilwm window maker that is cursed? |
| 10:04.18 | Guerin | no |
| 10:04.32 | karsten | rewt22: Ultralight WM. "Compiles in 3 seconds" |
| 10:04.40 | Guerin | it's the windowmanager you have when you want people to sit down at your computer and go "huh?" |
| 10:04.43 | karsten | rewt22: http://gentoo-wiki.com/WM_Screenshots |
| 10:04.47 | rewt22 | Because WM wasnt light enough already? |
| 10:05.02 | karsten | Guerin: I thought that was pwm. |
| 10:05.12 | Guerin | well, there are a few vying for that title |
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| 10:05.55 | karsten | rewt22: WM isn't the lightest there is. It's pretty damned good though. |
| 10:06.02 | rewt22 | If I was going with a slimweight wm itd be flux, it's just soo pretty and responsive |
| 10:06.11 | karsten | rewt22: I've run it on P-133s w/ few issues. |
| 10:06.11 | rewt22 | and pretty |
| 10:06.21 | rewt22 | Yea, but those are p133s.. |
| 10:06.28 | rewt22 | I use a real computer |
| 10:06.29 | rewt22 | :) |
| 10:06.58 | rewt22 | (im jk if you didnt catch that) |
| 10:07.09 | Guerin | omg |
| 10:07.12 | karsten | rewt22: I didn't say I *still* do. |
| 10:07.17 | karsten | Guerin: You called? |
| 10:07.18 | rewt22 | haha |
| 10:07.21 | karsten | Guerin: Ponies? |
| 10:07.25 | Guerin | i bet I can run evilwm on this dx4-100 |
| 10:07.30 | rewt22 | Robotic Ponies |
| 10:07.35 | karsten | Guerin: 486? |
| 10:07.40 | Guerin | i'd have to install x on it though |
| 10:07.42 | rewt22 | I ran flux on my xbox, which made me luv it long time |
| 10:07.48 | Guerin | karsten: no, the other kind of dx4-100 |
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| 10:07.53 | karsten | Guerin: Wozzat? |
| 10:08.00 | Guerin | karsten: ... |
| 10:08.47 | karsten | ... yeah, right. |
| 10:08.49 | moshii | just not locally ~_^ |
| 10:08.52 | Guerin | moshii: i bet you also wire your nipples up to a truck battery |
| 10:09.12 | karsten | Guerin: You were going to say? |
| 10:09.19 | moshii | karsten: you'd be amazed what you can do with SSH and x forwarding |
| 10:09.21 | karsten | Guerin: ... or was that a taunt answer. |
| 10:09.23 | Guerin | rewt22: hey, if a tin can was good enough for Major Tom, it should be good enough for you |
| 10:09.28 | rewt22 | brb, booting in my fresh omgkdetop |
| 10:09.32 | Guerin | karsten: yes, karsten, a 486 |
| 10:09.42 | rewt22 | Guerin: Not for my ub4r gam3z |
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| 10:10.20 | karsten | Guerin: Should work. Might be a tad pokey. Should be a decent X terminal. |
| 10:10.40 | Guerin | yeah, might use it to that end once its use as a router is worn out |
| 10:10.48 | Guerin | since it only has ISA, that shouldn't be too long. |
| 10:11.16 | karsten | Guerin: So, where are you that has a 486? And why are you in dalas? |
| 10:11.19 | karsten | dallas. |
| 10:11.21 | moshii | wrt54 and openwrt, the only router/wap you'll ever need :) |
| 10:11.45 | Guerin | karsten: i got it off my f-i-l |
| 10:12.05 | karsten | Guerin: Does he have steel and flint as well? |
| 10:12.25 | karsten | Guerin: And some extra Model-A cranks? I've broken all mine. |
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| 10:12.30 | Guerin | he's been using it to send us a monthly email to the effect of "hi. your credit card statement arrived today. It says $19,837DR. Do you want me to make a payment?" |
| 10:12.44 | karsten | Hhe. |
| 10:12.55 | Guerin | for the last three and a half years, never missed a beat |
| 10:12.57 | karsten | I was wondering how you were managing to stay independently wealthy. |
| 10:13.09 | Guerin | running win98 - not se, just plain old win98 |
| 10:13.14 | karsten | Yep. |
| 10:13.31 | karsten | Mom's still got a P-200 at home, also Win98. |
| 10:13.37 | Guerin | karsten: we actually paid it all off before travelling, and were solvent right up until after my accident |
| 10:13.50 | Guerin | the flights and setup and stuff have burned about half of that away now |
| 10:13.56 | karsten | Ah. |
| 10:14.02 | karsten | You're still in NZ? |
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| 10:14.11 | Guerin | yeah, back here indefinitely |
| 10:14.16 | Guerin | i'm back at gradskool |
| 10:14.25 | Guerin | deb is working and waiting to do her PhD |
| 10:14.25 | karsten | Is that home base or what? I thought you were a yank |
| 10:14.29 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:14.40 | Guerin | hell no, I've never even been there |
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| 10:14.49 | karsten | Ahh.... |
| 10:14.56 | karsten | Much confusion on that point then. |
| 10:15.00 | rewt22 | OK...I booted in KDE, and now it started doing it to |
| 10:15.06 | rewt22 | It was nice meeting you debian |
| 10:15.11 | rewt22 | but this just isnt gonna work |
| 10:15.17 | karsten | rewt22: Doing what? |
| 10:15.24 | rewt22 | Video lag |
| 10:15.29 | moshii | rewt22: what drivers? |
| 10:15.33 | Guerin | i blame xorg |
| 10:15.37 | karsten | rewt22: That's likely your X config, not your desktop. |
| 10:15.39 | rewt22 | oh not this again :P |
| 10:15.40 | moshii | rewt22: what sort of system |
| 10:15.45 | rewt22 | ok |
| 10:15.47 | rewt22 | moshii |
| 10:15.50 | Guerin | he's using a unichrome, and has tried vesa ad via |
| 10:15.54 | rewt22 | YEA |
| 10:15.56 | karsten | unichrome? |
| 10:16.00 | rewt22 | yessir |
| 10:16.02 | Guerin | rewt22: did you try the unichrome.sf.net driver? |
| 10:16.09 | karsten | VIA chip? |
| 10:16.10 | rewt22 | guerin: yes. |
| 10:16.13 | Guerin | oh. |
| 10:16.14 | rewt22 | yes kar |
| 10:16.15 | moshii | rewt22: oh, the vesa driver is next to useless |
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| 10:16.22 | karsten | OK. |
| 10:16.31 | rewt22 | moshii: Ive tried VGA VESA, VIA.. |
| 10:16.52 | karsten | rewt22: Describe this lag. |
| 10:17.06 | moshii | karsten: even this i810 based chipset is better than using the vesa driver |
| 10:17.09 | rewt22 | Karsten: windows move bad, it looks like glitchy |
| 10:17.19 | rewt22 | Karsten: like just moving a window, or opening a menu |
| 10:17.25 | rewt22 | Karsten: or browsing in a menu |
| 10:17.28 | karsten | rewt22: Disable "show window contents while moving/resizing" option. |
| 10:17.35 | moshii | rewt22: tell kde not to draw the window while dragging |
| 10:17.41 | karsten | rewt22: Go to rubber-band movement. It's a lot less work on a windowmanager. |
| 10:17.53 | rewt22 | But then it still happens when I open menus and programs |
| 10:17.59 | moshii | rewt22: or go and buy a20 quid nvvidia card |
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| 10:18.15 | rewt22 | I have NO CASH atm, and my nvidia card is deaddd |
| 10:18.20 | rewt22 | had a geforce 4 |
| 10:18.21 | Guerin | rewt22: same dealie with fluxbox? |
| 10:18.28 | rewt22 | Guerin: yyyep |
| 10:18.37 | rewt22 | I dont get it, this ALL worked fine in SARGE |
| 10:18.51 | rewt22 | So it's this damn x-window-system to xorg move |
| 10:18.58 | rewt22 | or xfree86 to x.org I mean |
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| 10:19.08 | Guerin | yeah, must be |
| 10:19.09 | rewt22 | Thats my guess |
| 10:19.55 | karsten | obAOL. |
| 10:19.56 | rewt22 | so wtfrick do I do :[ |
| 10:20.20 | moshii | rewt22: get the driver working in xorg or try rolling back to xfree86 |
| 10:20.40 | rewt22 | moshii: wont rolling back to xfree give me dependancy hell' |
| 10:20.42 | karsten | moshii: Is that possible in etch? |
| 10:21.09 | moshii | karsten: not sure, might mean removing half the system :/ |
| 10:21.15 | rewt22 | AHH |
| 10:21.16 | karsten | rewt22: Might, might not. XF86 isn't being developed under Debian though. But if it works, hey, it works. |
| 10:21.40 | rewt22 | Any distros that are keeping xfree86 for evar and evar? =[ |
| 10:21.40 | Guerin | i'd probably talk to gravity about it |
| 10:21.49 | karsten | rewt22: Nope. |
| 10:22.11 | karsten | rewt22: Give it a shot. |
| 10:22.11 | onTecHno | Hi all! Why is writing an MP3-Player so slow with "sync" activated and howto make it faster? It's connected via USB2.0 |
| 10:22.11 | karsten | Guerin: Speaking of whom, he's been on hiatus for a week or so, I checked earlier. |
| 10:22.27 | moshii | onTecHno: because you're writing directly to the drive and not memory first |
| 10:22.30 | karsten | Guerin: ... or are more of the DDs moving to oftc? |
| 10:22.37 | Guerin | karsten: no idea. |
| 10:22.43 | rewt22 | So I have two options.... Run a laggy debian, or run a fast old unsupported fedora |
| 10:22.58 | sep | onTecHno, http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/13/144 |
| 10:23.00 | moshii | or run a sarge system with pinned testing |
| 10:23.06 | onTecHno | moshii: but if I mount it without "sync" I can't see when he has finished... |
| 10:23.13 | rewt22 | moshii: waa? |
| 10:23.14 | karsten | rewt22: ... or buy a new card. |
| 10:23.23 | moshii | onTecHno: write the files and then run sync |
| 10:23.31 | karsten | rewt22: Seriously, try "aptitude install xserver-xfree86" and see what it tells you. |
| 10:23.40 | sep | onTecHno, you can run sync manualy |
| 10:23.46 | sep | then umount |
| 10:23.53 | karsten | rewt22: If it's just going to remove the xorg server, you're cool. If it junks a lot of stuff, bail the install. |
| 10:23.56 | Guerin | sync makes things slower, but safer if you're likely to disconnect the thing without warning |
| 10:23.58 | moshii | rewt22: you can have a mainly sarge system but have testing packages pinned in |
| 10:24.10 | rewt22 | orly? |
| 10:24.17 | rewt22 | How long can I keep debian sarge |
| 10:24.25 | rewt22 | Will it always stay supported? |
| 10:24.25 | onTecHno | sep: so first: mount without any options, filesystem auto second: copy files third: run sync? how? |
| 10:24.39 | Guerin | no |
| 10:24.40 | sep | type "sync" in a shell |
| 10:24.49 | rewt22 | Because with fedora, if I run an old one: no more security updates for me |
| 10:24.50 | Guerin | for 6 months after etch's release |
| 10:24.52 | sep | man sync should tell you more |
| 10:24.59 | karsten | rewt22: Probably for another 12 months from now or what Guerin said. |
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| 10:25.03 | Guerin | which will probably mean until the ned of next year |
| 10:25.03 | moshii | onTecHno: sync is done when you umount too ... |
| 10:25.04 | onTecHno | sep: thanks, I'll try it |
| 10:25.06 | sep | and read that url i posted for why sync on flash is a bad idea |
| 10:25.11 | karsten | rewt22: etch is scheduled to release in December, actually date may be later. |
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| 10:25.18 | moshii | onTecHno: umount won't exit until the data is on the drive |
| 10:25.27 | rewt22 | okok, so |
| 10:25.40 | moshii | onTecHno: using the sync option with mount is a bad idea because you'll wear the flash quicker |
| 10:25.46 | onTecHno | moshii: so I just have not to take the Player out w/o unmounting - right? |
| 10:25.56 | Guerin | right |
| 10:25.59 | rewt22 | I can install sarge, run the latest gaim, firefox, bittorrent, and maybe a few more programs easily with the backports? |
| 10:26.09 | karsten | rewt22: I just faked the install here, it should just work. |
| 10:26.13 | moshii | onTecHno: yes, it'll still work but you'll loose chunks of data |
| 10:26.14 | karsten | rewt22: ... on etch. |
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| 10:26.43 | onTecHno | moshii: that's exactly what I wanted to pretend with sync, but if just unmounting and reading the warning does the job, it's ok |
| 10:26.59 | onTecHno | moshii: so I shouldn't run sync at all? just unmount |
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| 10:27.17 | rewt22 | is sarge gnome like ancient? or just behind a few? |
| 10:27.22 | moshii | onTecHno: if you want to force a sync run sync .. it'll get done when you umount anyhow |
| 10:27.35 | rewt22 | it wont look like windows 9x will it? |
| 10:27.55 | karsten | rewt22: Nope. |
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| 10:28.21 | karsten | rewt22: Your x server doesn't govern appearance, it's low-level stuff, drivers, cards, etc. |
| 10:28.35 | rewt22 | I get 150fps on this card..sooo pathetic |
| 10:28.43 | rewt22 | on my nvidia I got upwards of 8000 |
| 10:28.47 | karsten | rewt22: Appearance is your WM / desktop environment. If xf86 works for your card, be happy with it. |
| 10:29.21 | onTecHno | moshii: ok I'm not good at getting things the first time :) 1. mount w/o !! sync 2. copy data 3. unmount w/o runnning sync because it isn't necessary |
| 10:29.25 | sep | rewt22, there is no software that is ancient. since they didnt have computers back then, they wrote on stone tablets and some had papyrus. sarges gnome is not even old. it's a mature version, and certainly not cutting edge anymore. :) |
| 10:29.28 | rewt22 | karsten: im trying the xf86 install |
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| 10:29.43 | moshii | onTecHno: yep |
| 10:29.51 | karsten | rewt22: ... and if it doesn't work, it's pretty painless to revert back. |
| 10:29.57 | rewt22 | Setting up xserver-xfree86 (7.0.22) ... |
| 10:30.02 | karsten | rewt22: ... though sounds like your option is to try a different distro. |
| 10:30.03 | rewt22 | so how do I delete x.org now? |
| 10:30.03 | moshii | onTecHno: or use amarok to manage your player |
| 10:30.31 | karsten | rewt22: I'd think it would conflict and remove automatically. 'aptitude remove xserver-xorg' if it doesn't. |
| 10:30.47 | karsten | rewt22: ... or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should get it. |
| 10:31.24 | SN^Vampire | i'v just install xine-lib 1.1.2, but when i do "dpkg -l *xine*" i see:ii libxine-dev 1.0.1-1 the xine video player library, development p |
| 10:31.25 | rewt22 | ok WTF |
| 10:31.27 | onTecHno | moshii: just take "generic player" (I own a Cowon G3) and that's it? |
| 10:31.50 | rewt22 | I did the uninstall, the it uninstalled BOTH, then I did the xfree86 install, and it installed xorg TOO |
| 10:31.51 | karsten | rewt22: ?? |
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| 10:31.58 | moshii | onTecHno: if your player allows you just to copy files to it, yes |
| 10:32.04 | karsten | rewt22: Um. That's odd. |
| 10:32.11 | moshii | onTecHno: I have a nano and it's a pain in the behind :( |
| 10:32.13 | karsten | !tell rewt22 about paster |
| 10:32.14 | Trewas | rewt22: installing xserver-xfree86 in etch does nothing, read the package description |
| 10:32.28 | karsten | rewt22: Can you try that again and paste commands and output? |
| 10:32.34 | karsten | Trewas: It doesn't? |
| 10:32.48 | onTecHno | moshii: yup, that's the reason why I actually prefer Cowon to iRiver and iPod.. it's just better in nearly every aspect.. but the price ~~ |
| 10:32.51 | Trewas | karsten: "This package smooths upgrades from Debian 3.1 by depending on xserver-xorg." |
| 10:33.02 | Trewas | and it does nothing else |
| 10:33.03 | karsten | Trewas: Ah... sh*t. |
| 10:33.08 | moshii | onTecHno: ah, I like my pod, it |
| 10:33.16 | karsten | rewt22: Sorry, wild-goose chase. |
| 10:33.19 | moshii | onTecHno: it's just a shame you need software to drive it |
| 10:33.20 | rewt22 | karsten |
| 10:33.20 | rewt22 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3471 |
| 10:33.38 | karsten | rewt22: Might try version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
| 10:33.45 | moshii | onTecHno: I'd like to be able to plug it in a work and copy stuff to it with out downloading 30 meg of itunes |
| 10:33.52 | onTecHno | moshii: do I have to configure the commands in amarok in the mp3-player options? |
| 10:34.01 | liable | rewt22: i thought we came to the conclusion that it was gnomes fault? |
| 10:34.13 | rewt22 | liable: KDE started to do it |
| 10:34.15 | onTecHno | moshii: and with the full speed it should offer ;) |
| 10:34.19 | moshii | onTecHno: and then finding it's upgraded my firmware and generally deflowered my pod |
| 10:34.19 | liable | ok |
| 10:34.22 | rewt22 | liable: it's xorg, I need xfree86 |
| 10:34.46 | karsten | liable: Guerin and I think its his X server. |
| 10:34.50 | bionoid | moshii: Have you checked out rockbox? |
| 10:34.51 | moshii | onTecHno: hmm I've not used a generic play in amarok, there should be some howto's around |
| 10:34.59 | liable | karsten: ok |
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| 10:35.05 | rewt22 | Just run ipodlinux -.- |
| 10:35.08 | moshii | bionoid: it looked like windows 98 shareware |
| 10:35.21 | karsten | rewt22: See above. You might be able to install xserver-xfree86 out of sarge. |
| 10:35.33 | rewt22 | ok, well it's 630am her |
| 10:35.37 | rewt22 | I need sleep |
| 10:35.40 | karsten | Trewas: ^^ Sanity check, possible? |
| 10:35.41 | rewt22 | ty all for help |
| 10:35.46 | karsten | rewt22: Dittos here. |
| 10:35.56 | rewt22 | layta |
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| 10:36.39 | Trewas | karsten: installing xfree86 from sarge may work, but the packaking has changed so much in xorg 7.0 it will be probably somewhat painful |
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| 10:37.12 | karsten | Trewas: Sort of a stab in the dark. |
| 10:38.39 | Trewas | karsten: come to think of, with sarge's xfree86 one cannot use gnome etc from etch, because nowadays they depend on lib-packages available only with newer packages (xlib was split) |
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| 10:39.54 | Trewas | or am I remembering wrong when it was split, maybe :) |
| 10:40.10 | karsten | Trewas: NFC, but wouldn't suprise me _too_ much. |
| 10:40.20 | BajURa | i have problem with bind , dns-stuff.com says that i dont have MX record ? but i have garden.com. 14400 IN MX 10 ns1.garden.com. |
| 10:40.24 | karsten | Trewas: ... though I thought the idea was that X existed to avoid those problems. |
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| 10:40.39 | karsten | BajURa: Check your serial. |
| 10:40.53 | BajURa | what about serial? |
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| 10:41.14 | Trewas | karsten: the problem would be in incompatible debian packages when mixing stuff from sarge and etch, not X itself |
| 10:41.19 | karsten | BajURa: Your bind config file serial number. Needs to be updated. |
| 10:41.36 | BajURa | to change it to what? today date? |
| 10:42.04 | karsten | Trewas: deps for xf86 sare are xserver-common, libc6, libgcc1, zlib1g, debconf |
| 10:42.20 | karsten | Trewas: Shouldn't affect much if those have't done major revs. Big if,yes. |
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| 10:43.14 | BajURa | 2006031501 |
| 10:43.16 | Zap-W | bOOm |
| 10:43.18 | BajURa | this is my serial |
| 10:43.45 | karsten | BajURa: I'd say you want that to read 2006081701 or something close |
| 10:43.56 | karsten | BajURa: Try modifying that and re-hupping bind. |
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| 10:44.43 | BajURa | ok i have two split zones , local and internet i now change serials in both |
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| 10:44.52 | Trewas | karsten: I was mainly thinking if gnome in etch would require some X packages which did not exist in sarge and would therefore force X to be upgraded, but actually for example gtk's dependencies (in etch) look like they could work with X from sarge |
| 10:45.15 | karsten | BajURa: In general: the serial number must increment positively, an din practice it's typcial to set it to YYYYMMDD## |
| 10:45.24 | SN^Vampire | i'v just compile xine-lib 1.1.2, but when i do "dpkg -l *xine*" i see:"ii libxine-dev 1.0.1-1". Whats wrong? |
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| 10:45.58 | BajURa | i put in one : 2006081701 and in secodn : 2006081702 is it ok |
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| 10:47.23 | MojOrow | can somone help me gt a sata controller workin |
| 10:48.09 | BajURa | karsten help :) |
| 10:48.13 | biz | i need some help with grep and an easy regexp. i'm tailing a maillog and want to grep only lines containing 'postfix/local' OR 'gld', how can i do this? |
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| 10:48.41 | karsten | biz: egrep '(postfix/local|gld)' |
| 10:48.50 | biz | karsten: thanks |
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| 10:49.03 | *** part/#debian adioe3 (n=armin@cm186-elob.europronet.ba) |
| 10:49.06 | karsten | BajURa: Been a while since I did BIND configs, don't have one handy... |
| 10:49.59 | BajURa | :) |
| 10:50.02 | karsten | BajURa: OK. |
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| 10:50.05 | karsten | Found one ;-) |
| 10:50.13 | BajURa | i just upgraded bind 9 and now no MX record |
| 10:50.15 | karsten | BajURa: Your zonefile needs a serial. You've set that. |
| 10:50.16 | BajURa | fck :) |
| 10:50.21 | BajURa | yes |
| 10:50.23 | BajURa | i set new serials |
| 10:50.25 | karsten | BajURa: Post your zonefile using paster. |
| 10:50.36 | BajURa | hm what is that :) |
| 10:50.39 | BajURa | paster? |
| 10:50.42 | karsten | !tell BajURa about paster |
| 10:50.43 | BajURa | my bad english |
| 10:50.46 | karsten | BajURa: NP. |
| 10:50.50 | karsten | BajURa: No problem ;-) |
| 10:50.50 | BajURa | o tnx man |
| 10:50.56 | BajURa | wait :))) |
| 10:51.27 | karsten | Forever, if you're quick. |
| 10:51.32 | BajURa | karsten this is my |
| 10:51.34 | BajURa | http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=www.015inter.net |
| 10:52.06 | karsten | BajURa: .. and what are you trying to do now? |
| 10:52.15 | BajURa | to fix my mx problem :) |
| 10:52.56 | karsten | BajURa: Which is? Sorry, I've forgotten. |
| 10:53.18 | BajURa | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3472 |
| 10:53.30 | BajURa | i dont have mx records when i upgraded to bind 9 |
| 10:53.31 | BajURa | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3472 |
| 10:53.55 | karsten | BajURa: YOu'll want a " IN MX 10 <mailserver>" record. |
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| 10:54.43 | BajURa | 015inter.net. 14400 IN MX 10 ns1.015inter.net. |
| 10:54.52 | BajURa | ns1 14400 IN A 212.62.47.101 |
| 10:55.07 | karsten | BajURa: Right. |
| 10:55.18 | BajURa | and its says that i dont have MX record |
| 10:55.18 | BajURa | :) |
| 10:55.21 | karsten | BajURa: change: 015inter.net. 14400 IN MX 10 ns1.015inter.net. |
| 10:55.36 | karsten | BajURa: ... to read: IN MX 10 ns1.015.inter.net. |
| 10:55.44 | karsten | BajURa: No host, no time. |
| 10:55.48 | karsten | BajURa: .. I think ;-) |
| 10:55.56 | BajURa | just to delete 015inter.net and ttl |
| 10:56.07 | karsten | BajURa: Right. |
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| 10:57.08 | karsten | BajURa: I'm sorta making this up, you might want to grab a real DSN book (and me too later..). |
| 10:57.09 | BajURa | i do that |
| 10:57.18 | karsten | BajURa: increment the serial. |
| 10:57.23 | karsten | BajURa: Re-HUP bind. |
| 10:57.23 | BajURa | yes i know but this is kind of urgent |
| 10:57.23 | BajURa | :) |
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| 10:58.14 | BajURa | ERROR: Some of your nameservers listed at the parent nameservers did not respond. The ones that did not respond are: |
| 10:58.14 | BajURa | 212.62.47.101 |
| 10:58.17 | BajURa | wtf |
| 10:58.21 | thnee | what must i do to be able to upload stuff as a local user via vsftpd? i obv have local_enable=YES and i have set write_enable=YES, and i have write perms on the folder, so why cant i upload? |
| 10:59.28 | fireba11 | BajURa: the mx entry karsten told you is correct though :-) |
| 10:59.29 | karsten | BajURa: Missing a semicolon on line 9 |
| 10:59.45 | SN^Vampire | i'v just compile xine-lib 1.1.2, but when i do "dpkg -l *xine*" i see:"ii libxine-dev 1.0.1-1". Whats wrong? |
| 10:59.49 | karsten | Hrm. No, shouldn't matter. |
| 10:59.55 | karsten | That's just a comment char. |
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| 11:01.05 | nicodarious | OK! looks as if i got banned from the irc.debian.org now lol |
| 11:01.08 | BajURa | karsten this is interesting :) |
| 11:01.18 | blondie | nicodarious: no great loss for you |
| 11:01.19 | BajURa | when i dig @local-ip www.google.com its woring |
| 11:01.26 | karsten | Any errors from bind when you're re-HUPing it? |
| 11:01.32 | *** part/#debian raveneye (n=marc@195.73.188.252) |
| 11:01.33 | BajURa | but when i dig @internet ip www.google.com |
| 11:01.35 | BajURa | doent working |
| 11:01.59 | sep | nicodarious, a ban id from a channel if you cant get on irc.debian.org that would be a k-line |
| 11:02.03 | nicodarious | blondie lol. well i was setting there acting like a bott too ROFL |
| 11:02.31 | karsten | BajURa: Syntax looks sane, you've got your periods, serial/refresh/retry/expire and negative TTL look sane. |
| 11:02.45 | nicodarious | sep what's a k-line? |
| 11:02.48 | BajURa | sane is ? :) |
| 11:02.50 | BajURa | what is sane :) |
| 11:02.56 | karsten | BajURa: In this case, good. |
| 11:03.01 | BajURa | eh ok. |
| 11:03.02 | karsten | BajURa: sane != crazy. |
| 11:03.07 | BajURa | insane :) |
| 11:03.18 | karsten | BajURa: Your English is much better than my Hungarian. |
| 11:03.18 | sep | nicodarious, you was k-lined from oftc net for some reason automaticaly * nicodarious has quit (autokilled: This host violated network policy. If you feel an error has been made, please contact support@oftc.net, thanks. (2006/8/17 10.57)) |
| 11:03.27 | BajURa | i am from serbia :) |
| 11:03.33 | karsten | BajURa: Or my serbian ;-) |
| 11:03.37 | nicodarious | sep ahhh.... i see. |
| 11:03.39 | BajURa | lolz :) |
| 11:03.45 | fireba11 | BajURa: my parents were there the last two weeks .. :-) |
| 11:03.47 | sep | nicodarious, same as a ban, but for the whole irc network not just a channel |
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| 11:04.02 | BajURa | karsten problem is that i can use DNS server in local but from outside adress not |
| 11:04.03 | fireba11 | BajURa: if you still got problems put the whole entry on pastebin so i can have a look at it |
| 11:04.04 | sep | what the heck did you do :) |
| 11:04.07 | nicodarious | sep well all i was doing was playing bott to this guy that came in and asked me if i were 'real'. |
| 11:04.36 | BajURa | look at this |
| 11:04.36 | BajURa | http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=www.015inter.net |
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| 11:04.41 | nicodarious | sep didn't think they would take it 'that' far though. |
| 11:04.47 | karsten | fireba11: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3472 |
| 11:04.50 | BajURa | fireba11 http://channels.debian.net/paste/3472 |
| 11:04.51 | liable | haha |
| 11:05.00 | sep | nicodarious, autokilled seams like a automatic bot klined you... |
| 11:05.04 | karsten | BajURa: I'm getting your MX. |
| 11:05.16 | karsten | host -t mx 015inter.net / 015inter.net mail is handled by 10 ns1.015inter.net. |
| 11:05.33 | BajURa | Answer: |
| 11:05.34 | BajURa | No MX records exist for www.015inter.net. [Neg TTL=86400 seconds] |
| 11:05.40 | karsten | nicodarious: There's some indirect attacks, I've seen a few wallops from lilo here. |
| 11:05.42 | Malagmyr | !tell me about set up x |
| 11:05.56 | nicodarious | sep oh well. seems that i will have to reestablish myself 'here' then... and not do what i did there. |
| 11:05.56 | karsten | BajURa: Yeah, saw that. Mail shouldn't be snet to www.015inter.net though, right? |
| 11:06.02 | me | ;) |
| 11:06.39 | nicodarious | karsten who's lilo? |
| 11:06.48 | karsten | BajURa: Maybe: @ IN MX 10 ns1.015inter.net. |
| 11:06.48 | BajURa | i dont get it simple :) |
| 11:06.56 | BajURa | hm |
| 11:06.57 | karsten | nicodarious: Freenode's bossman |
| 11:07.04 | BajURa | but early its working fine ;/ |
| 11:07.08 | nicodarious | ahh.. i see. bott? |
| 11:07.10 | fireba11 | BajURa: hu m m why you defined a MX for ns1. entry ? |
| 11:07.15 | karsten | nicodarious: Human |
| 11:07.20 | karsten | nicodarious: Rumors notwithstanding. |
| 11:07.21 | nicodarious | karsten ah. cool. |
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| 11:07.32 | BajURa | fireba11 what to do? |
| 11:07.39 | BajURa | i am not good in dns i need a boom :) |
| 11:07.40 | karsten | fireba11: See above WRT configuring a wildcard MX, sane? |
| 11:07.41 | fireba11 | BajURa: shouldn't that be " IN MX 10 015inter.net" ? |
| 11:07.44 | BajURa | but this is urgent ;/ |
| 11:07.59 | nicodarious | lol. hey sep, you on the debian channel back on otfc? |
| 11:08.05 | BajURa | but 015inter.net is ns2 |
| 11:08.20 | BajURa | and ns2 isnt mail server |
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| 11:08.28 | sep | nicodarious, ofcouse |
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| 11:08.58 | BajURa | 015inter.net. 14400 IN MX 10 ns1.015inter.net. |
| 11:09.03 | BajURa | postfix is on ns1 |
| 11:09.06 | nicodarious | sep perfect. what are they saying about me getting banned? |
| 11:09.25 | nicodarious | or has anyone really noticed? |
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| 11:10.02 | fireba11 | BajURa: then use IP there .. jsut to make sure |
| 11:10.07 | sep | not realy |
| 11:10.11 | BajURa | i can use ip? |
| 11:10.12 | BajURa | ok |
| 11:10.41 | fireba11 | bind giving any errors on loading the file ? |
| 11:10.42 | nicodarious | it was quiet in there at the time so i sent in an 'automated note' saying that if you wanted to ask me something you must put my name in front of the question. looked really bottish too if i do say so myself rofl |
| 11:10.50 | BajURa | 015inter.net. 14400 IN MX 10 212.62.47.101 |
| 11:10.54 | BajURa | like this fireba11 |
| 11:11.25 | blondie | irc.debian.org sux0r |
| 11:11.33 | sep | nicodarious, well there was a mention of your childish behaviour, perhpas some oftc service noticed your bot like behaviour and actualy thought you was one and hence klined you :) |
| 11:11.34 | fireba11 | BajURa: i don't know why ouy put hostname and ttl in fron, but yes |
| 11:11.42 | fireba11 | BajURa: that should work too |
| 11:12.10 | BajURa | i set ip instead hostname |
| 11:12.30 | petemc | you cant use an ip as a mx record |
| 11:12.37 | BajURa | ?? |
| 11:12.40 | petemc | its not valid |
| 11:12.42 | sep | blondie, why does oftc suck ? its just a irc network like any other |
| 11:12.49 | BajURa | but fireba11 says i can? |
| 11:12.56 | sep | now if you'd say undernet.. id agree but :) |
| 11:12.56 | petemc | .. |
| 11:13.09 | BajURa | what now can or cant |
| 11:13.10 | blondie | sep: well, its nickserv sucks :P |
| 11:13.11 | sep | BajURa, you can't |
| 11:13.11 | fireba11 | petemc: that is working fine for me ... |
| 11:13.18 | blondie | and I just don't want to use it |
| 11:13.26 | blondie | they should point irc.debian.org back to freenode immediately |
| 11:13.28 | BajURa | omg |
| 11:13.29 | BajURa | :) |
| 11:13.32 | BajURa | so confused :) |
| 11:13.36 | *** part/#debian SN^Vampire (n=vampire@213.184.241.234) |
| 11:13.37 | petemc | fireba11: i doubt its working fine, some broken mtas may deliver to you... |
| 11:13.40 | nicodarious | sep no doubt.. i thought that someone would pick up on it.. i mean no one was there hardly. not like here. on top of that some guy comes in and asks if i were 'real'. that's when i turned 'bot mode' for hoots and hollers. well, i guess it's no big loss anyway. |
| 11:13.57 | fireba11 | petemc: am getting 100% of my mails |
| 11:14.02 | petemc | fireba11: whats your domain? |
| 11:14.08 | liable | nicodarious: good chance that person was an op.. |
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| 11:14.35 | liable | nicodarious: and you possibly fooled him, and hence got klined.. |
| 11:14.39 | k-man | electric sheep always fails to download sheep when i run it at as a screensaver |
| 11:15.00 | fireba11 | petemc: the main domain got a hostname entry, all other domains just point MX to the box though .. |
| 11:15.03 | liable | nicodarious: otherwise you prolly would have just gotten banned after a warning |
| 11:15.27 | BajURa | dig @192.168.200.1 www.google.com |
| 11:15.30 | BajURa | is working |
| 11:15.36 | BajURa | but when i use 212.62.47.101 |
| 11:15.38 | BajURa | it cant work |
| 11:15.53 | nicodarious | liablehey man! long time no see. |
| 11:15.53 | petemc | fireba11: ive no idea what you're talking about, anyways - you cant use an ip for a mx record, thems the brakes |
| 11:15.59 | BajURa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.00 | BajURa | ;; reply from unexpected source: 192.168.200.1#53, expected 212.62.47.101#53 |
| 11:16.25 | anapivirtua | Hi. |
| 11:16.28 | nicodarious | liable well, again, i'm not woried about it. i just think it's hilarious! |
| 11:16.34 | MojOrow | how hard is it to get a driver written |
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| 11:16.57 | liable | nicodarious: tread carefully, ops on oftc, are ops in here also |
| 11:17.11 | liable | for te most part |
| 11:17.36 | nicodarious | oh? oh darn. what, do they run 'all' the irc servers?!? |
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| 11:18.03 | nicodarious | *not to self: never play nicodarious 5.1 bott again* |
| 11:18.15 | nicodarious | *note even |
| 11:19.18 | nicodarious | liable well wither way, i have a question and a serious problem. and since you seem to be pretty intuitive with the ins and outs of the debian distro, maybe you could help me out? it's about the nvidia driver for etch. |
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| 11:19.47 | liable | nicodarious: i havent got a nvidia card, but ask the channel, certainly |
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| 11:23.29 | nicodarious | well, if anyone here might have an nividia card and have etch installed, could you possibly answer this: how in the world do you get such a thing installed. so far i installed the nvidia_kernel-2.6.16-k7-smp and several other nvidia programs installed already, but when i go to configure them i get a screen saying that i need some other repositiory set up. i have a screen shot on photobucket. pulling it up now. |
| 11:23.45 | BajURa | how to check that is mu UDP 53 ist blocked by fw or something |
| 11:23.49 | thnee | dpkg: nvidia |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 11:24.18 | BajURa | how to check that is mu UDP 53 ist blocked by fw or something |
| 11:25.09 | nicodarious | thnee very good, now if the debian devs would kindly release the 'debian-nvidia' driver patched to run with debian smoothly, then i would then have another option. |
| 11:25.45 | nicodarious | thnee but so far, they dont' have one for etch. |
| 11:26.23 | nicodarious | thnee and etch is the only one that will supposrt my MCP51 chipset. sarge won't even see the harddrives. |
| 11:26.54 | Shadur | I roll my own kernels and use nvidia-kernel-source |
| 11:27.11 | nicodarious | can anyone connect to photobucket.com right now? it seems that i am having trouble connecting to it... |
| 11:27.13 | thnee | dpkg: etch nvidia |
| 11:27.14 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
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| 11:29.45 | nicodarious | thnee thanks, i'll try that, although, i'll ned to get the 8756 drivers since i DO run Xorg 7 |
| 11:29.58 | eth0x | anyone know how to change the ssh login message? |
| 11:30.26 | Shadur | nicodarious: Seventh and last, it's etch. It's testing. Expect things to occasionally break. |
| 11:30.29 | nicodarious | thnee thanks for you help =-) |
| 11:30.39 | thnee | nicodarious: i didnt do anything :P |
| 11:30.54 | thnee | thank dpkg |
| 11:30.54 | dpkg | no problem, thnee |
| 11:31.00 | nicodarious | Shadur yes, i am expecting it, but it's the only version of Debian that will detect my hardware, so i have no choice. |
| 11:31.33 | nicodarious | thnee you did. i don't know how you all put all that dpkg info here, but it helps a great deal when you do. thanks. |
| 11:32.15 | nicodarious | thnee i am not too high up on the irc thing, so the commands to throw up info like that does help out. maybe some day i'll learn to do the same. |
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| 11:40.28 | nicodarious | what does a GPG error mean when updating packages? i get an error when trying to pull an update from pwople.debian.org.... |
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| 11:49.20 | karsten | nicodarious: topic, I think. |
| 11:49.47 | karsten | !tell nicodarious about 2006 key |
| 11:50.25 | karsten | eth0x: You can disable motd in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:51.20 | BajURa | karsten |
| 11:51.23 | BajURa | now now i need u |
| 11:51.23 | BajURa | :) |
| 11:51.36 | BajURa | are u here :) |
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| 11:52.35 | fireba11 | petemc: you were right about IP in Mx sorry .. *back from fixing ym own nameserver ;-) |
| 11:53.41 | BajURa | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3473 http://channels.debian.net/paste/3474 |
| 11:53.44 | biz | is there a way to get a combination of tail and egrep working continously? |
| 11:53.46 | BajURa | what is wrong with my config files |
| 11:53.47 | BajURa | ;( |
| 11:54.04 | sep | biz tail -f file | grep -e ? |
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| 11:54.21 | fireba11 | BajURa: your MX line is missing a dot at the end |
| 11:54.38 | BajURa | 015inter.net. 14400 IN MX 10 ns1.015inter.net |
| 11:54.43 | BajURa | ns1.015inter.net. |
| 11:54.43 | BajURa | ? |
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| 11:54.48 | fireba11 | yes |
| 11:55.21 | biz | sep: it doesn't work, whereas a cat file | grep -e works, even if i set -n 10000, and i'm sure the regexp is within the last lines.. |
| 11:55.43 | fireba11 | BajURa: and i got no clue what the localhost entry is for .. it's no use i thin, but that's your choice |
| 11:56.08 | BajURa | i have separete local zone file and internet . |
| 11:56.22 | BajURa | is my config ok now |
| 11:56.24 | BajURa | with dot :) |
| 11:56.27 | BajURa | at the and |
| 11:56.55 | fireba11 | BajURa: it points to 127.0.0.1 ... taht makes no sense since localhost will work anyway |
| 11:57.02 | fireba11 | BajURa: think so |
| 11:57.13 | BajURa | mail:~# dig @212.62.47.102 |
| 11:57.13 | BajURa | ;; reply from unexpected source: 192.168.200.2#53, expected 212.62.47.102#53 |
| 11:57.14 | BajURa | mail:~# dig @212.62.47.102 www.google.com |
| 11:57.15 | BajURa | wtfd |
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| 11:57.39 | BajURa | 2 |
| 11:57.39 | BajURa | <BajURa> ;; r |
| 11:57.44 | JohnQ | Can anyone help me with some ipchains rules? I dont think it involves nat... but basically I want to say "any packets coming in from interface eth0, destined to IP address x.x.x.x on port y should really be sent to z.z.z.z port q". (Using debian sid... only one interface involved.. just wanna bounce packets off my box) |
| 11:57.45 | BajURa | ajURa: it points to 127.0.0.1 ... taht makes no sense since localhost will work anyway |
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| 12:00.18 | sep | JohnQ, are you realy using ipchains, or do you mean iptables? |
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| 12:01.18 | sep | biz, perhaps if you pasted your whole line you might find someone that know what you did wrong. |
| 12:01.40 | JohnQ | I mean iptables :-) |
| 12:02.15 | JohnQ | I tried a lot of things... lemme past my most reasonable one.. |
| 12:02.52 | SN^Vampire | i'v just install xine-lib 1.1.2. But when i try to ./configure kaffeine, he tell me: Error, xine-lib >=1.0.1. What i'm doing wrong? |
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| 12:03.52 | sep | then google for iptables redirect you should find a efw examples |
| 12:04.09 | sep | JohnQ, a different aproch might be a ssh tunnel |
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| 12:04.28 | JohnQ | Here is one I tried: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d x.x.x.x --dport y -j DNAT --to z.z.z.z:q |
| 12:04.42 | JohnQ | Unfortunatly an ssh tunnel wont do it for me in this case.. |
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| 12:05.46 | mariuss | hi, when i set up mac filtering for something connecting from the internet, can i use the laptops mac or will their seen mac change depending on the connection type they have at some |
| 12:05.56 | sep | JohnQ, look for a redirect example |
| 12:06.03 | mariuss | like, if you go through a router, will the routers mac or the laptops mac be the one seen from the outside? |
| 12:07.05 | sep | routers |
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| 12:07.22 | mariuss | ok, so basically macfiltering doesnt work over the internet? |
| 12:07.31 | sep | mariuss, correct |
| 12:07.54 | mariuss | bummer :) |
| 12:08.08 | sep | why cant you filter on ip ? |
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| 12:08.24 | JohnQ | redirect isnt what I want... redirect tells the packet to go to THIS box.. not another one. |
| 12:08.27 | mariuss | kinda hard, im opening the samba share to be accessible from home for the teachers |
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| 12:09.02 | mariuss | sep: got any other idea? |
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| 12:09.15 | SN^Vampire | help me :( |
| 12:09.54 | sep | mariuss, opening samba across the internet is not realy safe. i'd rather do a ssh tunnel, or openvpn op ipsecvpn |
| 12:10.00 | sep | openvpn would be easiest |
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| 12:10.18 | mariuss | hmm, yea, we use that at the university |
| 12:10.49 | epsilon | using SoftRAID1, can I rename or move /mdev/md0 array to /dev/md1? |
| 12:11.20 | fireba11 | epsilon: why would you want to ? |
| 12:11.24 | mariuss | sep: also, i have this script that needs to be run at startup, how do i fix that? |
| 12:11.29 | epsilon | reorganisation |
| 12:11.31 | sep | JohnQ, do you have ip.forwarding on ? |
| 12:11.39 | JohnQ | yep |
| 12:12.16 | mariuss | kinda like /etc/init.d/local.start in gentoo |
| 12:12.18 | fireba11 | epsilon: should eb possible if the stuff on it is not needed while the system is running |
| 12:12.33 | sep | mariuss, read /etc/init.d/README |
| 12:12.38 | mariuss | thanks |
| 12:13.06 | epsilon | nope it's not needed . I could recreate the arraym but then I have to restore the backup in the array again |
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| 12:17.04 | zzsputnik | morning |
| 12:17.32 | zzsputnik | anybody know the best way of installing Mplayer |
| 12:17.39 | zzsputnik | i have debian sarge 2.4. |
| 12:17.49 | mariuss | is it in apt? |
| 12:17.56 | zzsputnik | no |
| 12:18.11 | JohnQ | I think I see the problem... I need both SNAT and DNAT .. but I'm not sure how to do both. |
| 12:18.56 | mariuss | aptitude search mplayer |
| 12:19.05 | mariuss | are you sure? Because it is here, and i am running sarge too |
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| 12:19.19 | finrod | mariuss: You have the debian-marillat repositories then. |
| 12:19.29 | mariuss | zzsputnik: ahh i know |
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| 12:20.17 | mariuss | deb http://ftp.skolelinux.no/debian-non-US/ sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
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| 12:20.26 | mariuss | add that to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:20.52 | mariuss | then aptitude update && aptitude install mplayer |
| 12:20.53 | sep | JohnQ, i use the shorewall frontend it makes all the iptables mumbo jumbo easier. |
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| 12:24.01 | Hoxzer | sep: shore firewall has frontend :O |
| 12:24.06 | Hoxzer | TELL ME |
| 12:24.13 | charzero | Is there a way I can tell apt never to upgrade a particular package? |
| 12:24.21 | epsilon | yes |
| 12:24.34 | epsilon | set a packe in hold, man dpkg |
| 12:24.34 | sep | Hoxzer, shorewall is a frontend for configuring the iptables firewall . |
| 12:24.44 | charzero | ah. thanks. |
| 12:24.46 | sep | Hoxzer, its in debian and instructions for use on shorewall.net |
| 12:24.46 | epsilon | *package |
| 12:24.50 | tralala | charzero: /msg dpkg hold |
| 12:25.51 | charzero | For some reason I thought it was 'block' not 'hold'. |
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| 12:34.12 | BajURa | anyone know about PTR record in bind? |
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| 12:36.32 | BajURa | anyone know about PTR record in bind? |
| 12:36.38 | SN^Vampire | tell, what mirror always have all latest version deb programm? |
| 12:36.48 | TipTap | BajURa, it helps if you just ask your question rather than being ambiguous |
| 12:37.48 | sep | BajURa, unless your isp delegates revers dns for your ip space to you, your ptr records wont have any effect anyway. |
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| 12:38.33 | TipTap | and usually they won't delegate small blocks usually only the whole /24 |
| 12:38.43 | BajURa | i have problem with mail server |
| 12:38.48 | BajURa | its say i dont have PTR record |
| 12:38.55 | BajURa | so i must fix that some how;) |
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| 12:39.05 | petemc | BajURa: does your isp delegate reverse dns to you? |
| 12:39.05 | sep | BajURa, ask your isp to configure a ptr record for you |
| 12:39.09 | TipTap | you need to contact your ISP and tell them to add the PTR for whatever the forward is |
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| 12:39.31 | BajURa | can someone explain me briefly what is PTR and how it works |
| 12:39.50 | sep | BajURa, ptr maps ip number back to a name. |
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| 12:39.57 | BajURa | yes. |
| 12:40.17 | BajURa | and i enter PTR record in zone file to? |
| 12:40.26 | sep | by naming it in a spesific zone named ip4.ip3.ip2.ip1.in-addr.arpa. |
| 12:40.58 | TipTap | or ip3.ip2.ip1.in-addr-arpa etc |
| 12:41.01 | BajURa | wait i make new zone file for PTR |
| 12:41.02 | epsilon | check google for sample configurations |
| 12:41.04 | sep | if you do a namelookup of your ip address you get a name. like |
| 12:41.19 | sep | BajURa, it wont help you to make a zonefile |
| 12:41.20 | TipTap | BajURa, you can't - if your in europe, RIPE will register which NS servers are responsible for that zone |
| 12:41.34 | sep | BajURa, since your nameservers are probably not authorative . |
| 12:41.35 | BajURa | i am in serbia:) |
| 12:41.37 | TipTap | hence when a lookup is done, it goes to ns.ripe.net they check and see who the delegates are and usually it will be your ISP |
| 12:42.09 | BajURa | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.18 | BajURa | this is my problem |
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| 12:42.35 | TipTap | same principles will apply |
| 12:42.39 | sep | BajURa, it's your isp's responsibility to set a prt record for the ip adderss you use |
| 12:42.44 | TipTap | RIPE are in charge of allocations |
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| 12:42.53 | TipTap | hence contact your ISP |
| 12:43.05 | BajURa | so , i dont need to rewrite my zone files or something |
| 12:43.15 | sep | BajURa, no |
| 12:43.25 | BajURa | i just need to contact my ISP that give me ip |
| 12:43.25 | TipTap | your ISP haven't even registered any delegates for that yet anyway |
| 12:43.41 | sep | BajURa, unless you can talk your isp into delegate ns for your ip space to you |
| 12:43.48 | TipTap | so they a) need to update the RIPE database for the delegate for that block and then create the PTR record |
| 12:43.50 | BajURa | what to do now? |
| 12:43.51 | TipTap | dig 116.108.62.in-addr.arpa +trace |
| 12:44.04 | sep | BajURa, pick up the phone and call your isp. |
| 12:44.08 | BajURa | :) |
| 12:44.13 | sep | BajURa, you do need it in with a spoon ? ;) |
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| 12:44.20 | BajURa | xaxa |
| 12:44.25 | BajURa | my english is bad :) |
| 12:44.41 | TipTap | contact verat |
| 12:44.47 | sep | BajURa, and it's true that without a ptr your email server will be a cripple. |
| 12:45.08 | BajURa | verat jes |
| 12:45.11 | BajURa | verat is my isp |
| 12:45.16 | TipTap | yes contact them |
| 12:45.32 | BajURa | and said them to fix my fuckin ptr :) |
| 12:45.45 | TipTap | well not so much fix, but add a PTR |
| 12:45.49 | TipTap | and update RIPE |
| 12:45.52 | BajURa | dig 116.108.62.in-addr.arpa +trace |
| 12:45.56 | BajURa | what is shis? |
| 12:46.01 | BajURa | this |
| 12:46.08 | TipTap | man dig |
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| 12:46.32 | BajURa | i know dig but what is 116.109.62 |
| 12:46.42 | roym | Can someone help me figure out what is going on w/GRUB? I get: |
| 12:46.43 | roym | GRUB: Loading stage 1.5.; GRUB loading, Please wait...; Error 15 |
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| 12:47.01 | roym | Does this mean I am in stage1.5 or am I still in stage 1 |
| 12:47.04 | sep | it's 62.109.116 backwards or just a random ip series :) |
| 12:47.06 | Siddharta | hi |
| 12:47.08 | TipTap | its the reverse zone |
| 12:47.24 | BajURa | oh :) |
| 12:47.37 | BajURa | sory oon my little knowladge i mena tiny :) |
| 12:48.03 | TipTap | roym, check your grub config make sure the kernel bzimage and kernel etc is there |
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| 12:49.14 | roym | TipTap: does this mean it is in stage1.5 looking for stage 2 files? |
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| 12:49.41 | roym | I don't see the usual grub prompt!!! |
| 12:50.06 | Siddharta | i've juste aptitude install linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 and now the usb keyboard connected to the usb hub is no longer recognized, when i unplugg/plugg the usb hub from the laptop i get this in dmesg http://paste.debian.net/11053 |
| 12:50.09 | TipTap | well error 15 is filen ot found |
| 12:50.14 | TipTap | well usually anyway |
| 12:50.19 | TipTap | did it says error 15: file not found? |
| 12:50.29 | roym | TipTap: no - it didn't |
| 12:50.35 | TipTap | hmm |
| 12:50.36 | Siddharta | do you know where it could come from ? |
| 12:50.47 | TipTap | have you tried booting grub from a floppy? |
| 12:50.51 | roym | It seemed stuck - C-A-Del didn't even work after. |
| 12:51.05 | TipTap | could be maybe your boot order in your bios is set different |
| 12:51.09 | roym | Sigh- the machine has no floppy drive. |
| 12:51.11 | TipTap | you might need to change it acordingly |
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| 12:51.24 | roym | No, it is definitely getting it from hda.... |
| 12:51.37 | roym | Does grub have to be on a primary partition? |
| 12:51.48 | roym | I have it on a logical ext2. |
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| 12:52.14 | Siddharta | if i make a dmesg |grep key i get this -> input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 |
| 12:52.14 | Siddharta | drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot Protocol keyboard driver |
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| 13:14.26 | b_jonas | hello, all. I'd like some help with backports, |
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| 13:15.15 | b_jonas | I'm trying to follow these instructions http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 13:15.49 | b_jonas | and then I'm trying to install xorg with dselect |
| 13:16.39 | b_jonas | now the xserver-xorg package did appear in the list, |
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| 13:17.02 | b_jonas | but at dependency resolution it says that "xserver-xorg conflicts with xserver-xfree86 (<< 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1)" |
| 13:17.19 | b_jonas | do I really have to uninstall xserver-xfree86? |
| 13:17.24 | b_jonas | or how's this? |
| 13:17.38 | b_jonas | I"m quite bad with package management, please help |
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| 13:18.16 | SN^Vampire | how can i resume updating soft if i must reconnect? |
| 13:19.49 | zamuro | SN^Vampire: How are you performing the update? |
| 13:21.03 | SN^Vampire | apt-get install |
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| 13:23.20 | b_jonas | I wonder if my question's clear |
| 13:23.48 | pdbogen | b_jonas : Yes, you really have to uninstall xserver-xfree86. |
| 13:23.58 | king_pak | hi |
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| 13:24.04 | SN^Vampire | zamuro, m? |
| 13:24.33 | zamuro | SN^Vampire: Did you installed the package? |
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| 13:24.42 | SN^Vampire | no |
| 13:24.50 | SN^Vampire | in progress now |
| 13:24.54 | zamuro | Then try apt-get install again. |
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| 13:25.11 | SN^Vampire | and it resumed downloading? |
| 13:25.31 | zamuro | or starts over... |
| 13:26.23 | abrotman | b_jonas: yes .. they conflict |
| 13:26.40 | SN^Vampire | may be exist anothe way? |
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| 13:26.42 | enouf | roym: ping |
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| 13:27.08 | zamuro | SN^Vampire: Sure do... aptitude, synaptic... |
| 13:27.25 | abrotman | SN^Vampire: itjust resumes on its on |
| 13:28.06 | abrotman | its own |
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| 13:28.46 | b_jonas | uh |
| 13:28.55 | b_jonas | that's strange |
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| 13:29.47 | b_jonas | but it wants to uninstall half my machine, even kde |
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| 13:31.07 | b_jonas | "kde suggests x-window-system-core", "x-window-system-core depends on xserver-xfree86" |
| 13:31.33 | b_jonas | why can't I leave xfree86 on? I'm not even completely sure xorg will work |
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| 13:32.16 | b_jonas | I might be conservative but I don't want to be left with a system with no X |
| 13:32.20 | abrotman | b_jonas: you want to install xorg .. you can't run two xservers (well .. you can .. but it's complicated) |
| 13:32.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: shouldn't you be at work? |
| 13:33.32 | b_jonas | abrotman: I can't see why. I often run two instances of xfree86. and I don't insist on running them at once, just having xfree as a backup till I can make xorg to work |
| 13:33.41 | b_jonas | I eventually want to use xorg if it works |
| 13:34.10 | b_jonas | but until that, see, if X doesn't work, I can't even ask for help on irc or anything |
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| 13:34.33 | amphi | b_jonas: irssi |
| 13:34.53 | Wood1 | Hi all |
| 13:35.06 | Wood1 | Where can I get site_perl modules for Debian ? |
| 13:35.15 | b_jonas | amphi: yes, I might want to install that anyway |
| 13:35.18 | b_jonas | but still |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | b_jonas: two instances of Xfree is way different than running two *different* xservers |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | b_jonas: apt-get install irssi-text now .. if it goes awry .. you can come back via irssi |
| 13:35.57 | amphi | b_jonas: it's a good idea to have all you need available in console IMHO ;) |
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| 13:36.12 | abrotman | b_jonas: paste your apt_preferences file .. and paste the contents of `apt-get install xserver-xorg` |
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| 13:36.34 | b_jonas | amphi: obviously, especially when I have to attach this machine to an inferior monitor |
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| 13:37.22 | amphi | b_jonas: you are on sarge? |
| 13:38.00 | b_jonas | yes, sarge |
| 13:38.34 | amphi | b_jonas: the xorg backport seems to work perfectly here, I've been using it for a good while |
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| 13:39.06 | b_jonas | abrotman: wait a minute, |
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| 13:40.01 | b_jonas | http://sial.org/pbot/19070 |
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| 13:40.17 | radulovity | Hi! |
| 13:40.25 | radulovity | I have problem with perl on sarge |
| 13:40.30 | radulovity | error message is |
| 13:40.32 | radulovity | errormessage is: Can't locate object method "code" via package "Template" at |
| 13:40.43 | b_jonas | but then I'm trying to run dselect and it wants to install packages even if I don't select anything or something like that |
| 13:40.59 | b_jonas | so maybe there's some problem in there |
| 13:41.28 | radulovity | b_jonas: jut press "+" ower the package |
| 13:41.46 | b_jonas | it seems that the dependencies have changed just because I've changed the source list or something like that |
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| 13:41.50 | abrotman | b_jonas: moment |
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| 13:42.18 | abrotman | b_jonas: and the results of `apt-get install xserver-xorg` ? |
| 13:42.41 | b_jonas | abrotman: doesn't it try to install and remove stuff? I'm not sure I want to run it now |
| 13:42.56 | abrotman | b_jonas: just hit ctrl-c ... i just want to see what it wants to do |
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| 13:43.04 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:43.04 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:43.35 | b_jonas | (does it matter where I paste to?) |
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| 13:44.47 | dmesg | hi |
| 13:45.14 | b_jonas | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3476 |
| 13:45.17 | dmesg | is there any debian distro for router whith graphical interface? |
| 13:45.40 | radulovity | dmesg: wrong idea :) |
| 13:45.45 | abrotman | b_jonas: not really |
| 13:45.46 | enouf | b_jonas : you can always run apt-get -s install as a simulation test run |
| 13:45.47 | dmesg | :O |
| 13:46.09 | abrotman | b_jonas: run `apt-get update` and then try the apt-get intsall xserver-xorg again |
| 13:46.33 | abrotman | does it do the same thing? |
| 13:46.59 | b_jonas | enouf: thanks |
| 13:47.23 | b_jonas | apt-get update ran fine (dselect already ran it I think) |
| 13:47.33 | abrotman | argh .. damn dselect |
| 13:47.47 | b_jonas | still says the same after it |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | b_jonas: apt-cache policy xserver-common |
| 13:47.56 | b_jonas | I can tell what dselect wants to do |
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| 13:49.17 | b_jonas | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3477 |
| 13:49.40 | Wood1 | Does anybody here use Squid-2.6 ?? |
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| 13:52.02 | abrotman | b_jonas: any different output from apt-get -f install ? |
| 13:52.09 | b_jonas | so, if I select nothing in dselect, it wants to install libisccc0 because "libisccfg1 depends on libisccc0" (and update and isntall a few other packages like this) |
| 13:52.47 | enouf | Wood1 : /msg dpkg anybody |
| 13:52.58 | Wood1 | what ? |
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| 13:53.07 | SN^Vampire | hi all |
| 13:53.09 | enouf | !anybody |
| 13:53.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:53.24 | abrotman | Wood1: if you're having a problem .. state it |
| 13:53.46 | b_jonas | apt-get -fs install xserver-xorg gives the same output as without -f it seems |
| 13:53.52 | Wood1 | Well I have some problems running MRTG with Squid in Debian |
| 13:54.11 | SN^Vampire | from what server i can download last version of soft(kaffein 0.8 (for example)) using apt-get install? |
| 13:56.33 | dendrite | SN^Vampire: Is your apt-get properly configured, or do you mean that it's not working when you try to use it? |
| 13:57.11 | SN^Vampire | no,no |
| 13:57.58 | enouf | Wood1: I myself haven't used squid - so I can't help - but others want and need to hear a precise issue/problem and with what error messages - the Deb version and kernel is useful info too... If nobody answersthan nobody here at this time can help or declines to , for whatever reason |
| 13:58.11 | SN^Vampire | i mean, what mirror i must add to source.list to have all latest version of soft |
| 13:58.47 | enouf | Wood1 : IOW - "some problems running MRTG with Squid in Debian" is not a clear detailed issue description |
| 13:58.49 | dendrite | SN^Vampire: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 13:59.29 | SN^Vampire | sarge |
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| 14:01.26 | dendrite | SN^Vampire: Try: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 14:02.34 | Wood1 | I get the following errors with running: mrtg mrtg-squid.cfg |
| 14:02.47 | Wood1 | Unknown SNMP var cacheServerInKb.0 at /usr/bin/mrtg line 2039 |
| 14:03.56 | ph00 | hi guys. 2 questions: why apt-get install often says "<number> packeages will be hold back and not upgraded" (etch), and how do I force upgrade |
| 14:04.18 | ph00 | oh yeah, and if it is actually smart to force upgrade or should I let that be |
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| 14:06.48 | enouf | Wood1 : again, I'm unfamiliar with both squid and mrtg - but do a 'apt-cache search MRTG' and notice all the 'mrtg ...' pkgs and the 'ap-utils' - Access Point SNMP Utils for Linux ... don't know if you require those as well - just a quick guess ...ahhhh Wood1's impatience has pummelled his goals .. enouf waves byebye |
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| 14:12.23 | abrotman | !tell ph00 about held back |
| 14:12.47 | abrotman | i thought there wsa a #debian-backports .. dunno where though |
| 14:13.06 | blondie | maybe it's on that crappy other network |
| 14:13.20 | abrotman | i didn't see it there either |
| 14:13.29 | ph00 | abrotman: got it. thx |
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| 14:28.58 | name | wth? |
| 14:28.59 | name | ~/Simpsons/Simpsons Season 17 - Complete [rl] $ nice 19 |
| 14:29.01 | name | nice: 19: No such file or directory |
| 14:29.02 | name | ^^ |
| 14:29.27 | Eclipser | nice -n 19 ? |
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| 14:34.11 | sanmarcos | oh brothers! |
| 14:34.16 | sanmarcos | dont you love dawn? |
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| 14:44.05 | sanmarcos | ... |
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| 14:46.35 | epsilon | SoftRAID1 question, of I want to add a partition to existing RAID1, it must be bigger than existing RAID1 size? I partitioned same size per fdisk, mdadm complains it's too small |
| 14:47.33 | sanmarcos | !software raid |
| 14:47.34 | dpkg | methinks software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 14:47.41 | SNow | how does that package call which eggdrop uses him, tcllib |
| 14:47.49 | SNow | I installed it, but still it says that tcl cannot be found |
| 14:47.55 | SNow | !package tcl |
| 14:47.58 | Shadowcat | anybody know if the new gui option in etch beta 3 includes an expert mode? |
| 14:48.05 | SNow | !software tcl |
| 14:48.07 | Shadowcat | nm got answered |
| 14:48.09 | sanmarcos | SNow: /msg dpkg |
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| 14:48.20 | SNow | sanmarcos maybe you know? |
| 14:48.31 | sanmarcos | yes I do, but dont care to answer |
| 14:48.39 | SNow | you'r bad then |
| 14:48.39 | SNow | :) |
| 14:48.43 | SNow | I would thank you |
| 14:49.00 | sanmarcos | so would other people, why should I choose you? |
| 14:49.14 | sanmarcos | these are the rules of the market, get used to them |
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| 14:49.21 | SNow | because I asked very politely |
| 14:49.24 | SNow | :)) |
| 14:49.33 | SNow | ahh.. thanks anyway :) |
| 14:49.39 | sanmarcos | no, you did not, at first. Your question is impossible to understand also |
| 14:49.44 | SNow | I'll try to ask someone else then |
| 14:49.45 | sanmarcos | I can only guess at what you are asking |
| 14:49.58 | sanmarcos | and you keep using these smileys. Nobody cares about your emotional state |
| 14:50.03 | sanmarcos | read !smart questions |
| 14:50.10 | SNow | sanmarcos excuss me, maybe you know how does the tcl library package call in debian packages reprository, and maybe you would be so kind to tell me? |
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| 14:50.46 | SNow | is that ok, angry dude |
| 14:50.49 | sanmarcos | i'll forgive you because you are not an native speaker |
| 14:50.59 | sanmarcos | if you were native, I would have gone mad |
| 14:51.06 | sanmarcos | SNow: apt-cache search tcl |
| 14:51.19 | sanmarcos | apt-cache show eggdrop also |
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| 14:51.42 | sanmarcos | try depends eggdrop, it will give you the list of what it depends on |
| 14:52.02 | sanmarcos | which is tcl8.4 here, but might be different somewhere else |
| 14:52.11 | sanmarcos | just use the debian package, and you will be fine |
| 14:52.40 | stew | SNow: apt-cache search --names-only tcl |
| 14:52.53 | SNow | thankyou very much |
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| 14:57.07 | jetscreamer | fyi, debian is a shitload easier to install than <insert distro here> imo |
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| 14:57.28 | jetscreamer | and better package handling |
| 14:57.29 | Bingo | hi, I see that Eterm was removed from debian testing because of license problem |
| 14:57.36 | Bingo | do you think that Eterm will be in etch? |
| 14:57.42 | jetscreamer | got non-free? |
| 14:57.51 | jetscreamer | !find eterm etch |
| 14:57.52 | joelmichael | does anyone have any idea why gzip and bzip2 might be adding irregularities to files while decompressing them? |
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| 14:57.56 | jetscreamer | just a though i don't know |
| 14:57.57 | threw | hi all ! |
| 14:57.59 | jetscreamer | t |
| 14:58.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'eterm' (5 of 34): (/usr/share/git/.gitrc.eterm) in utils/git ;; (/usr/share/afterstep/desktop/icons/eterm) in x11/afterstep ;; (/usr/share/giarpfanoa/dnsdetermine.func) in misc/giarpfanoa ;; (/usr/share/Eterm/themes/brassalloy/eterm.cfg) in x11/eterm-themes ;; (/usr/include/alps/model/siteterm.h) in non-free/libdevel/libalps1-dev. |
| 14:58.14 | joelmichael | i doubt it's related to the utilities themselves, something more low-level than that. |
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| 14:58.33 | threw | how to set the module who are load at startup please ? |
| 14:58.59 | jetscreamer | threw edit /etc/modules, or probably more like blacklist in hotplug |
| 14:59.05 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 14:59.05 | dpkg | [blacklist] Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 15:00.30 | threw | jetscreamer: ok /etc/module was the file that i searched, thx :) |
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| 15:05.26 | Bingo | jetscreamer , so eterm is not in etch? |
| 15:06.10 | abrotman | !info eterm etch |
| 15:06.22 | abrotman | !why is eterm not in testing |
| 15:06.22 | dpkg | eterm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=eterm |
| 15:06.59 | blondie | !why is abrotman not in testing |
| 15:06.59 | dpkg | abrotman is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=abrotman |
| 15:07.26 | abrotman | at least i don't have RC bugs |
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| 15:10.23 | wam | Hi, how can I tell wget to link to index.html instead of <dir>/ when mirroring with --convert-links? |
| 15:12.03 | jetscreamer | Which packages are stalled by abrotman? Checking abrotman * abrotman is not available in Debian unstable or testing |
| 15:12.18 | abrotman | i'm stable! |
| 15:12.26 | Ronin | hardly |
| 15:12.51 | Tallu | someone should backport abrotman! |
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| 15:14.27 | IstuPido | lolx |
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| 15:16.34 | mr_claus | how i can see the fonts of my fontserver on the console? |
| 15:17.30 | abrotman | Tallu: my parents might get upset |
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| 15:22.33 | possie | anyone that knows the name of the utility that search for partitions when you lost the parition table? i can't remember it |
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| 15:25.34 | biz | how many minutes is the resend delay for the free service of gmx.net mailservers after a 450 reject due to greylisting? |
| 15:26.18 | blondie | biz: how should we know? |
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| 15:26.57 | biz | blondie: perhaps someone knows.. if not, who cares. just a question |
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| 15:27.54 | abrotman | dpeends on the mailserver config |
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| 15:28.17 | mateuszk | (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 |
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| 15:28.20 | mateuszk | how to fix it > |
| 15:28.22 | mateuszk | ? |
| 15:28.23 | santa99 | hi guys |
| 15:28.38 | santa99 | does anybody here know what is the default font from Ubuntu |
| 15:28.48 | biz | better a specific question as such ones.. |
| 15:28.54 | Ronin | im sure #ubuntu does |
| 15:28.58 | santa99 | no |
| 15:29.01 | santa99 | nobody answers |
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| 15:29.16 | Ronin | then be patient and wait or ask on thier forums |
| 15:29.16 | five0` | i bet they're all busy asking questions in other channels ;) |
| 15:29.17 | mateuszk | Where I can download xorg 7.1 for debian ? |
| 15:29.20 | santa99 | ok |
| 15:29.22 | mateuszk | for sid ? |
| 15:29.27 | Ronin | five0`: heh nice |
| 15:29.57 | streuner | mateuszk: why do you need 7.1? |
| 15:30.10 | mateuszk | streuner, (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 |
| 15:30.24 | mateuszk | streuner, I get black triangles when running OpenGL application |
| 15:30.39 | mateuszk | streuner, blinking and screen is unreadable |
| 15:30.42 | sanmarcos | is there a way to check the date of my downloaded packages list (aka when I did apt-get update) ? |
| 15:31.12 | streuner | mateuszk: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 15:31.51 | abrotman | mateuszk: which card? |
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| 15:31.54 | mateuszk | streuner, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 15:32.31 | mateuszk | streuner, lsmod | grep drm drm 65556 3 i915 |
| 15:33.07 | abrotman | i think that's a problem with intel cards and mesa |
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| 15:33.36 | mateuszk | abrotman, readed that installing new mesa from experimental should help, but it doesnt.. |
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| 15:33.59 | mateuszk | abrotman, there is already bug about that... I'll find number.. |
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| 15:37.50 | mateuszk | abrotman, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 |
| 15:37.56 | mateuszk | streuner, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 |
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| 15:40.42 | streuner | !dbugs 359328 |
| 15:40.47 | dpkg | #359328:I[] xserver-xorg-video-i810/libgl1-mesa-dri: DRI doesn't work; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:18:45 UTC |
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| 15:42.06 | streuner | buy another videocard |
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| 15:44.04 | streuner | if you lucky, gravity did some packages in experimental, but don't tell somebody ;-) |
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| 15:44.50 | mateuszk | streuner, gravity ? |
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| 15:45.08 | streuner | maint of X |
| 15:45.15 | mateuszk | streuner, what packages ? |
| 15:45.25 | streuner | xorg |
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| 15:47.12 | sourcerer | Hi |
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| 15:47.31 | sourcerer | Does someone know, which debian package I need to install to get the "dig" command (bind-related) ? |
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| 15:48.50 | streuner | dnsutils |
| 15:48.50 | mateuszk | streuner, in experimental ? |
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| 15:49.53 | mateuszk | streuner, if any new xorg thing was in experimental I already installed it while painfully sreaching solution for this problem.. but still no results.. |
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| 15:50.28 | mateuszk | streuner, now digging through mailing lists cause I found some new posts since last time I read it... |
| 15:52.02 | streuner | mateuszk: look at linux.debian.maint.x |
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| 15:52.44 | streuner | mateuszk: XSF plan to upload 7.1 to unstable |
| 15:53.07 | hanishkvc | is debian.org down |
| 15:53.30 | streuner | no |
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| 15:54.21 | hanishkvc | I am not able to access debian.org and fedoranews.org from here (bangalore) |
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| 15:56.42 | Ronin | debian.org is definatly up hanishkvc |
| 15:56.46 | SNow | sorry, could someone please tell what happened, when booting I get an error 'kernel panic, try passing init= option, I use lilo boot manager, but I haven't changed anything ,what would help me? |
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| 15:58.20 | hanishkvc | Either you are not able to access (or corruption in) your root partition or maybe this is a wild guess corrupt initrd file (if one is used) |
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| 15:59.57 | oKtosiTe_ | hanishkvc: With that kind of message, it's nice to know who you're directing it to. |
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| 16:00.01 | peterrus | hello :) |
| 16:00.23 | oKtosiTe_ | hanishkvc: although in this case it's pretty obvious ;-) |
| 16:00.51 | hanishkvc | thought so |
| 16:01.58 | SNow | yesterday I did fsck, can it be it's problem? |
| 16:02.04 | YeTr2 | does anyone know of any work in debian on iptables extensions and how to install them properly? |
| 16:02.22 | peterrus | i am new to debian. i just came from slackware and was dissapointed by its broken udev and no hal included, so i tried debian and am very. very, pleased with it. but i have this question. i have 2 more boxes where i want to install debian on. but i dislike downloading everything again and again with the netinstall cd. so i was wondering if there is a way to just have the software sets in need. i saw there were 10 cds, does every cd repres |
| 16:02.22 | peterrus | ent a software set? |
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| 16:02.40 | oKtosiTe_ | hanishkvc: heh, drinking my (very late) morning coffee, please excuse me for that :-D |
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| 16:03.01 | zinx | peterrus: the CDs are ordered by popularity |
| 16:03.01 | hanishkvc | Check if the kernel messages during boot up indicates anything about your harddisk or root partition |
| 16:03.03 | stew | peterrus: there is apt-move and apt-proxy |
| 16:03.23 | peterrus | stew, what does it do? and how can i make my own software sets? |
| 16:03.28 | stew | peterrus: and "/msg dpkg which cd" you only need the cds with software you actually want to install |
| 16:03.39 | stew | peterrus: if you want to make your own sets, you might want apt-zip |
| 16:03.51 | hanishkvc | if fsck did screw your root partition then you can definitely get this error |
| 16:04.19 | stew | peterrus: apt-move lets you move packages from one cache to another machine, apt-zip lets you make your own sets on removable media, apt-proxy makes it so that if you download a package from one machine, the next machine gets it from the proxy's cache |
| 16:05.16 | peterrus | okay, well i will try apt-zip then. but ehm, what do i get if, for example just download cd1 and cd2 ? |
| 16:05.39 | peterrus | oh and i use testing |
| 16:05.56 | stew | hmm, i need to start indexing the etch cds |
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| 16:06.58 | stse | Hi! How can I install Sarge with the new debian-installer beta 3? I'll be asked for a mirror, but I can't choose the distribution (netinstall image). |
| 16:07.02 | peterrus | is there a app that makes me select all packages i need and then make a iso which i can use in combination with the netinstall cd or something, so that i will download from myself or something? |
| 16:07.33 | yetifoot | Hi, can someone help me, i can't get kppp to work, i keep getting pppd errors, yet i can get pon/pppconfig to connect? Is it something to do with groups? |
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| 16:08.08 | thelostbutler | peterrus: you can also take a look at FAI to install on multiple systems http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 16:08.27 | hanishkvc | SNow: also try passing init=/bin/bash in the commadline to kernel from lilo (if you can, don't remember lilo now, haven't used for a long time now, but I think should be possible to pass commandline args to kernel from lilo) |
| 16:08.57 | peterrus | http://ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/iso-images/debian/etch/cd/i386/ <-- ah i found this, will these two cds be suffiecient for a laptop, a small nfs server and a desktop system? thelostbutler: well, i dont think i need such a big thing, and i prefer to have cd's |
| 16:08.59 | thelostbutler | peterrus: you can customize what packages you want install, it is an automated process. |
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| 16:09.02 | hanishkvc | If you are able to boot into the kernel then your partition most probably is fine but your init program is corrupted then |
| 16:09.29 | SNow | hanishkvc yeah, it checks it, and then says kernel panic at the boot try passing init= option, do you think fsck didn't screw my box? |
| 16:09.31 | hanishkvc | I meant boot into kernel and then get a shell (command prompt) |
| 16:09.40 | SNow | and if screwed what's next? |
| 16:10.02 | SNow | hmmz |
| 16:10.19 | SNow | I can do 'linux init=/bin/bash' |
| 16:10.26 | SNow | I did liux init=/bin/sh - didn't help |
| 16:10.31 | thelostbutler | peterrus: yes they should be. disclaimer: i haven't tried the cd's myself, but from past experience. usually cd 1 is enough |
| 16:10.55 | hanishkvc | If it checks for root partition and then says panic, may be root partition is messed up after fsck (some times possible). |
| 16:10.58 | peterrus | thelostbutler, does that cd include fluxbox, i need it on my laptop, its quite old you know |
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| 16:11.22 | hanishkvc | I would say try booting into a rescue CD or live linux cd and then see if you can access your root partition or not |
| 16:11.36 | thelostbutler | peterrus: i am sorry, i don't know. i believe you can download the iso and mount it on the loopback device and then examine to see if the debs are there |
| 16:11.51 | peterrus | thelostbutler, good idea, thanks :) |
| 16:11.52 | mateuszk | streuner, I cant find 7.1 packages... |
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| 16:12.06 | Darten | Hello everybody! |
| 16:12.21 | peterrus | ello |
| 16:12.25 | enouf | In reference to an earlier question about which pkg the command/utility 'dig' belongs to - I found that 'dpkg -S dig' and 'dpkg-query dig' do a pretty good job of locatingthe desired pkg it's in (dnsutils as streuner pointed out) - is there a way to have 'dpkg -S <filename>' only look for/in a certain dir and kick back only those related pkgs ? (So as not to return such a long list of pkgs?) ..For ex: the exec 'dig' lives in /usr/bin - can |
| 16:12.25 | enouf | -S , or dpkg-query -S br told to look in certain locations only? |
| 16:13.11 | enouf | s/br/be* |
| 16:13.18 | Darten | Q: How can I see in aptitude on which date some package got released? (Or whatever date like field, somewhat related to package age...) |
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| 16:13.25 | peterrus | does debian have something like this: i have a nfs server, and i put a small etch mirror on it, and with that i can upgrade all other boxes in my house? |
| 16:13.32 | gebruiker | !get-selections |
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| 16:13.59 | gan|y|med | hello |
| 16:14.10 | gan|y|med | i need some help compiling my kernel. |
| 16:14.14 | gebruiker123 | !get-selections |
| 16:14.34 | thelostbutler | peterus: you can setup a a local mirror it is pretty easy |
| 16:14.38 | Darten | 2. question: Where can I see what a security update (e.g. an update done with aptitude) is addresse with? |
| 16:14.39 | grendal_prime | hey there is a way to ping via a mac address right? |
| 16:14.43 | peterrus | gebruiker123, you are dutch :) |
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| 16:14.50 | grendal_prime | i had to do this some time ago and cant remember how i did it |
| 16:14.57 | Darten | ... I mean, what is a security update addressing... |
| 16:15.03 | peterrus | thelostbutler, that sounds fun: ) as soon as i configured everything i am gonna do it |
| 16:15.08 | gan|y|med | i have made a custom kernel with ipw2200 module, but i cannot use it as it does not find the firmware, which i should place in the hotplug dir. the problem is, there is no hotplug dir anymore. |
| 16:15.32 | gan|y|med | i heard the kernel uses udev for this now. is this correct? and how can i utilize it? |
| 16:15.59 | enouf | Anyone: a somewhat silly question , but what's wrong with my aptitude? - hehehe - doing 'apt-get search --names-only <keyword>' works like a charm (thanks stew) - but an 'aptitude search --names-only <keyword>' returns the message - "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." -- I mean um...moo |
| 16:16.08 | Darten | 3. question: Where do I find the best backport for apache2.0 (or later, hehe)? |
| 16:17.06 | stew | enouf: there is nothing wrong with it, it works just fine without the super cow powers |
| 16:17.30 | hanishkvc | ganymed: if you don't get any other better answer, try looking at the code in ipw2200 module and see how its trying to pickup the firmware, it might give you a solution |
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| 16:17.35 | enouf | stew: ahh ha ...ok - thanks |
| 16:17.47 | peterrus | etch_di_beta3 <-- this should be the standard testing distribution okay? |
| 16:18.05 | stew | enouf: and it seems that no package has "--names-only" in its name or description |
| 16:18.11 | gan|y|med | hanishkvc: thx for the idea |
| 16:18.15 | Darten | Am I visible? |
| 16:18.28 | stew | Darten: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:18.52 | SNow | nnoapic doesnt'work i tried linux iniit=/bin/bash nothing but it gives me the error error 22 mounting ext3 error 33 and so on then kernel panic no init found try passing the init option |
| 16:19.02 | stew | Darten: (that was for 3), for 2: http://debian.org/security |
| 16:19.27 | stew | Darten: and for 1), go to http://pacakges.qa.debian.org/packagename |
| 16:20.02 | enouf | stew: as far as (an example) - an ' apt-cache search --names-only dos' will show only those pkgs that have the name/letters 'dos' in them -- wherea as an 'apt-cache search dos' spits out many more pkgs |
| 16:20.05 | hanishkvc | if you get error trying to mount ext3, most probably then it could be when its trying to mount your root partition. What I would suggest is try booting into a linux Rescue CD or linux live cd and then see if you can access your root partition |
| 16:20.26 | enouf | stew : or were you refrreing to aptitude only -- or |
| 16:20.31 | stew | enouf: aptitude |
| 16:20.39 | enouf | stew: ok -- got it thanks |
| 16:20.42 | hanishkvc | ganymed: again another wild guess try running udevmonitor and see if you see some message there when you try loading the ipw2200 module |
| 16:21.06 | SNow | hanishkvc any other ideas? |
| 16:21.25 | stew | enouf: for aptitude you'd have to do somehting like: aptitude search "~nfoo" (i don't remember exactly what, could be ~N) |
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| 16:22.07 | enouf | stew: ok - so it s possible, just using diff options -- will look into it - thanks |
| 16:22.20 | stew | enouf: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 16:22.47 | enouf | stew : there already now ;-) |
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| 16:23.13 | stew | yeah, its "~nfoo" |
| 16:23.24 | stew | err "~ndos" in your example |
| 16:23.47 | hanishkvc | If you can paste me the boot messages, I will try to cross verify. But if your root partition is really messed up, then only way would be to boot into another linux OS (either on same machine - if you have multiple linux installations on the machine) or move the hardisk of the corrupted system to a new system with linux or to run a live linux cd and then see if you are able to access the root partition which you susspect |
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| 16:24.47 | hanishkvc | also see if root=/dev/??? if any being passed to your kernel is proper in lilo |
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| 16:25.41 | agentbob | anyone here using OS X ever get [3~ printed on screen when doing meta-delete(backspace) instead of deleting the word behind the cursor? (and know how to fix it?) |
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| 16:26.00 | agentbob | only seems to be happening on my debian box... |
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| 16:26.10 | yetifoot | Hi, can someone help me please, i can't get kppp to work, i keep getting pppd errors, yet i can get pon/pppconfig to connect? Is it something to do with groups? its 3.1 sarge just installed |
| 16:26.29 | agentbob | hmm and only inside screen :| |
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| 16:27.00 | Bingo | hi do you know another command like esetroot to setup the root window |
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| 16:27.49 | Bingo | esetroot was removed from testing because esetroot is in the eterm package |
| 16:28.13 | userek | hi im looking for some hexeditor that has feature of giving dec value of hex selection ;0 |
| 16:28.33 | userek | something other then khexedit |
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| 16:29.54 | hanishkvc | userek: if not anything else try printf "%d\n" 0xHEXVALUE in linux |
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| 16:30.46 | userek | hanishkvc, no its unacceptable |
| 16:31.00 | yetifoot | anyone know how the groups work in debian? I added myself to dip in /etc/groups, but can't get kppp to connect. |
| 16:31.02 | userek | i need aneditor with such feature |
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| 16:31.11 | hanishkvc | anyone from india or bangalore, and how about trying to access debian.org is it working for you people |
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| 16:33.14 | hanishkvc | userek: try apt-cache search hex editor and see what and all you get if any (not on debian now so cann't give you the answer) |
| 16:33.33 | userek | i did that already |
| 16:34.41 | peterrus | does someone know if fluxbox is included in the etch 1 or 2 cd or a place where i can check this? |
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| 16:36.23 | tsumae_ | I thought the debian channel moved to oftc? :) |
| 16:36.23 | agentbob | termcaps and terminfo are fscking black magic |
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| 16:37.06 | jings | hiya |
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| 16:37.49 | jings | I'm using mailman 2.1.5 on Debian stable, together with exim4, and whatever I do, exim doesn't seem to know about the lists |
| 16:38.06 | jings | i.e. I'm getting "Unrouteable address" errors |
| 16:38.21 | jings | I didn't add anything to /etc/aliases, as the READMEs tell |
| 16:38.50 | jings | debugging with exim4 -d doesn't show anything mailman related |
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| 16:39.18 | jings | neither does grepping for mailman through /etc/exim4 |
| 16:39.32 | jings | so, what am I missing? |
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| 16:41.07 | peterrus | i found it, cd 1 does include fluxbox :) now one more question, does the installer on the etch binary 1 cd give me the possibilty to select individual packages, as i have very very limited diskspace on my laptop (2gb) |
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| 16:43.32 | maxy | peterrus: I think that's enough for a minimal install, once it is running you can install as usual |
| 16:44.34 | maxy | probably much more than enough |
| 16:45.13 | enouf | stew: hi -- I was reading and just saw your '~ndos' reply, however using 'aptitude search dos' yields the same results (for me anyway) -- and likewise for any package Name related to the search term - but because the exec '/usr/bin/dig' FILE isn't in a pckg that has the letters dig in it's pkgname, the search for dig (even ~ndig) does not yield the 'dnsutils' pkg from whence it spawns :-) ...no biggy - I'm reading the command line search |
| 16:45.13 | enouf | patterns info in the README, but have as of yet been unable to find what I'm looking for - again, no biggy for now - thanks |
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| 16:45.13 | peterrus | maxy, as usual? i mean i have install cd one and two and want to install all the stuff i need and nothing else, so can i select just individual packages, because i totally not need gnome on my laptop, but i do on my desktop. i always have done a netinstall and that didnt give me the possibbilty to select a nice set of packages, just a big bulk |
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| 16:46.12 | maxy | peterrus: just apt-get install / apt-get remove what you need after the minimal installation (and apt-get clean from time to time, to free space) |
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| 16:46.35 | enouf | stew : whoops I mean you ~ndos, and ~ndig info |
| 16:46.40 | maxy | but I think 2GB is plenty... |
| 16:46.53 | maxy | unless some of it is already used |
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| 16:47.25 | enouf | stew : why is the irc client stripping the 'n' -- because I'm not quoting it ? hrm ... lemme try again "~ndos" |
| 16:47.33 | enouf | ahh that's better - thanks |
| 16:47.39 | peterrus | maxy but the problem is, gnome itself will possibly already eat all my diskspace, and if it doesnt, i just dont want to install stuff i dont need, i heard about some way to do this, i mean i guess there is some kind of menu where i can select whether i want to install something or not, and then it will install all stuff i need? |
| 16:48.29 | maxy | I'm no expert in this channel, but I'm pretty sure the minimal installation is for servers, which don't need gnome. |
| 16:48.43 | DaBlade | Does anyone know of any basic timer programs? |
| 16:48.50 | peterrus | hmm, well this is gonna be difficult i guess :/ |
| 16:49.24 | stew | enouf: i don't think aptitude has a way of searching package contents, but i dont' really know for sure |
| 16:49.26 | yetifoot | should debian setup symlinks for shared libs like libncurses.so.5 -> libncurses.so ? Is there a package i missed? |
| 16:49.34 | DaBlade | At the risk of sounding like a spammer: |
| 16:49.35 | DaBlade | Does anyone know of any basic timer programs? |
| 16:49.55 | stew | DaBlade: what exactly do you want it to do? |
| 16:49.56 | Aim_Here | DaBlade, like 'time <shell command>'? |
| 16:49.56 | maxy | what would they do? |
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| 16:50.06 | DaBlade | stew: Like a stopwatch |
| 16:50.23 | maxy | while true; date; done |
| 16:50.23 | DaBlade | Just press start, and when you press stop, it shows you how much time has passed |
| 16:50.39 | stew | DaBlade: apt-get install stopwatch |
| 16:50.45 | DaBlade | thanks |
| 16:50.51 | maxy | try "time read", press ctrl-d to stop |
| 16:51.11 | DaBlade | Thanks, but I just installed stopwatch :) |
| 16:51.35 | DaBlade | horrid GUI, but works :) |
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| 16:55.30 | enouf | stew: ok thanks - I had thought that's why perhaps I gotten that "no super cow powers" message - hehehe ... gotta go do otherstuff now anyway |
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| 16:55.54 | stew | enouf: apt-get moo ; aptitude moo ; aptitude -v[v[v[v...]]] moo |
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| 16:57.00 | recon0 | I'm trying to run a "rebuild" program in a source package, but I get "aclocal: configure.in: 119: macro `AM_OPTIONS_WXRC' not found in library". |
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| 16:57.07 | Sapaki | hi |
| 16:57.29 | enouf | stew : hehehe - yeah ...thanks |
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| 16:57.59 | Sapaki | I would like to know if the debian net install comes with a partition program |
| 16:58.10 | jelly | hi, is there a way to fetch all the binary packages from a particular repository, for a particular architecture? |
| 16:58.19 | Ronin | Sapaki: it may |
| 16:58.26 | jlaw | Sapaki, yes it does |
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| 16:59.27 | Ronin | then again it may not |
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| 16:59.40 | Sapaki | what do you mean it may or it may not |
| 16:59.49 | r_marvin | jelly: see debmirror |
| 16:59.53 | Ronin | Sapaki: well you never told us what program |
| 16:59.57 | Ronin | oops shit sorry |
| 17:00.03 | Ronin | you said partitioning |
| 17:00.04 | jlaw | i've never seen a debian net install without the partitioner |
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| 17:00.20 | jlaw | even the disks have it (indirectly) |
| 17:00.28 | Ronin | how on earth did i read that as a particular program |
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| 17:00.46 | r_marvin | Sapaki: fdisk or sfdisk must be in the installer |
| 17:00.54 | jelly | r_marvin: thanks, will check it out. |
| 17:00.58 | Ronin | Sapaki: yes it does, it would have to |
| 17:01.07 | Sapaki | I want to install debian on my toshiba laptop, but windows has all the hard drive space |
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| 17:01.49 | jlaw | Sapaki, then you should use paritition magic or stuff to make your fat32/ntfs smaller |
| 17:02.11 | jlaw | Sapaki, in case you want to keep your windoze |
| 17:02.45 | Sapaki | yes I have ntfs, I want to keep windows, |
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| 17:03.23 | Sapaki | i'm thinking of using qparted,qparted live cd |
| 17:03.29 | jlaw | Sapaki, then first use partition magic (free trial) to make your ntfs smaller and use the free space for the debian installation |
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| 17:04.18 | mr_claus | nice -20 is the highest priority? |
| 17:04.26 | mr_claus | or the lowest? |
| 17:04.38 | dendrite | mr_claus: The least nice. The meanest, greediest. -20 |
| 17:04.54 | Sapaki | what's -20 |
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| 17:05.02 | maxy | I once was at an install party... hehe, about 6 partitionmagics running. 4 of them finished, one only after a long time, and the last... well, linux was installed when we finished *gg* |
| 17:05.03 | Ronin | damn cold |
| 17:05.22 | dendrite | Sapaki: Highest priority. Most aggressive at grabbing resources. |
| 17:05.24 | jlaw | Sapaki, i don't know if there is a trick, but i encountered problems with windoze (w2k) and linux on the same hd. windoze said not to be able to read from a boot device (after it was loaded from it) |
| 17:05.24 | mr_claus | dendrite: ty |
| 17:05.59 | AciD | maxy > you shouldn't be using partitionmagic, but qt/gparted instead with a livecd |
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| 17:07.02 | cahoot | Sapaki: FWIW i just installed etch on a Toshiba without any glitches whatsoever |
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| 17:07.28 | Sapaki | what fwiw? ok |
| 17:07.40 | cahoot | Sapaki: that includes the persistent viability of the preexistant w2k |
| 17:07.57 | maxy | AciD: ah, nice... well I guess things improved since then |
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| 17:08.13 | Sapaki | what's w2k? |
| 17:08.34 | Ronin | Sapaki: window 2000 |
| 17:08.43 | jlaw | Sapaki, windoze 200 ... but i think you've xp home or pro |
| 17:08.50 | jlaw | +0 |
| 17:08.54 | Sapaki | I have xp yes |
| 17:09.20 | cahoot | Sapaki: more important - the default debian install procedure took care of all bootloader config just fine |
| 17:09.28 | DaBlade | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14393611/ <--- Woohoo!! :D |
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| 17:10.11 | Sapaki | I tested my satellite toshiba laptop with knoppix and ubuntu livecd, it was able to detect all the hardware components |
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| 17:11.28 | Sapaki | my concerns are on the installation and the wireless adaptor(which I may have to do some extra work) |
| 17:12.10 | jlaw | this beer seems to be endless |
| 17:12.13 | jlaw | !beer |
| 17:12.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 17:12.21 | jlaw | looks like i'm rich -.- |
| 17:12.21 | Ronin | jlaw: best way to have beer |
| 17:12.25 | peterrus | DaBlade, good to hear that :) |
| 17:12.36 | tuv | Sapaki, if it's a centrino laptop, wireless setup is trivial |
| 17:13.09 | DaBlade | peterrus: Indeed. :D |
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| 17:14.07 | Sapaki | yes, it is an intel centrino |
| 17:14.35 | Sapaki | why is that? |
| 17:14.45 | tuv | Sapaki, the current etch kernel ships with ipw2{12}00 drivers |
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| 17:15.16 | Sapaki | ok great |
| 17:15.19 | tuv | Sapaki, did you check which chip do you have? |
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| 17:15.57 | zimm2 | you still need the firmware for ipw2200 though .. no ? |
| 17:16.03 | tuv | sure |
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| 17:16.34 | tuv | ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php |
| 17:16.41 | Sapaki | what do you mean by the chip the processor? |
| 17:16.54 | huhlig | hello all from the Debian Booth at linuxworld |
| 17:17.13 | tuv | Sapaki, the wireless adapter chip: ipw2100, ipw2200, ... etc. |
| 17:17.36 | tuv | Sapaki, there are some newer ones whose drivers might not be in-kernel |
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| 17:18.26 | Sapaki | i have a dwl 122 wireless adaptor |
| 17:18.30 | abrotman | tuv: could be 3945 |
| 17:18.43 | zimm2 | what toshiba is it ? |
| 17:18.57 | Sapaki | i have a dwl d-link 122 wireless adaptor |
| 17:19.20 | tuv | abrotman, ya.. i'm having a hard time remembering the number :) |
| 17:19.30 | Sapaki | a15 satellite series |
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| 17:21.02 | sbarn | hello, for starting off with a fresh install w/apache. apache splash page and everything. how do I make /var/www be rootdirectory instead of apache2-default. i removed the redirect in the sites-enabled but jus making sure that thats the "right" way |
| 17:21.41 | abrotman | sbarn: that's one way |
| 17:21.48 | abrotman | and there's nothing wrong with that method |
| 17:21.55 | sbarn | abauer, ok whats the best way? |
| 17:22.09 | sbarn | I just whiped apache like 5 times because stupid stuff is always happening |
| 17:22.20 | abrotman | !beer abauer |
| 17:22.38 | sbarn | can i edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default directly and add multiple vhosts and such? |
| 17:22.39 | abrotman | if it works .. tha'ts fine |
| 17:22.41 | thnee | i have set upload perms on a folder in proftpd.conf and its chmoded 777 and ftp's put says 226 transfer complete, but the file isnt in there... |
| 17:23.03 | abrotman | sbarn: the ideal way to do vhosts is to make each vhost hvae its own config file .. and then enable the site |
| 17:23.20 | sbarn | abrotman, well ok, how do u enable the site then? |
| 17:23.27 | sbarn | if i put it in sites-available |
| 17:24.19 | stew | sbarn: with a2ensite |
| 17:24.32 | sbarn | stew, ok |
| 17:24.50 | Sapaki | thanks for the advise, I hope to star my new semester with my linux box ready to go |
| 17:25.01 | Sapaki | bye |
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| 17:25.56 | sbarn | ok..now how I go about configuring uw-imapd for listening? like how to I make it so typing mail.mysite.com queries the server or whatever? |
| 17:26.02 | sbarn | and smtp even too |
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| 17:27.42 | SN^Vampire | i have debian sarge. How can i install the latest kde ? |
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| 17:27.47 | SN^Vampire | i have in sourse.list:deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 17:27.53 | SN^Vampire | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 17:27.57 | SN^Vampire | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 17:28.03 | SN^Vampire | apt-get install kde tell me, that kde depend from kde-amusements, but it not be installed |
| 17:28.24 | DerJamster | non-US is deprecated, methinks. |
| 17:28.34 | Ronin | SN^Vampire: running sarge you wont get todays latest kde, only security updates |
| 17:28.46 | Ronin | at least not without doing some work that is |
| 17:28.53 | lontra | i can't seem to get X to start |
| 17:28.54 | DerJamster | aside of that..no idea. you basically don't need the ftp.debian.org entry since the first line takes care of that. |
| 17:29.00 | SN^Vampire | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib ? |
| 17:29.03 | lontra | i just did a fresh install of etch without a desktop environment |
| 17:29.15 | lontra | and run aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 17:29.23 | lontra | but it fails |
| 17:29.30 | deadcat | lontra: sarge? |
| 17:29.31 | DerJamster | it fails to install, or..? |
| 17:29.33 | lontra | etch |
| 17:29.37 | deadcat | oh (= |
| 17:29.37 | sbarn | anyone? |
| 17:29.37 | lontra | it fails to start X |
| 17:29.49 | deadcat | lontra: you need a window manager or desktop manager |
| 17:29.59 | lontra | i installed xdm and fvwm |
| 17:30.12 | njkt | what error do you get? |
| 17:30.13 | deadcat | lontra: check /var/log/ |
| 17:30.42 | stew | lontra: you want xorg, not just xserver-xorg |
| 17:30.54 | Ronin | SN^Vampire: perhaps if you use backports you can get a newer version of kde then what is in sarge by default |
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| 17:31.23 | lontra | stew ok that might make a difference then! |
| 17:31.23 | J_P | hi all |
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| 17:31.37 | J_P | people, anyone know how do xterm while in black ? |
| 17:31.40 | lontra | cause i had no errors in /var/log |
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| 17:31.54 | Ronin | J_P: in black? |
| 17:32.03 | J_P | Ronin: yes |
| 17:32.16 | Ronin | J_P: no, as in what do you mean in black |
| 17:32.19 | stew | J_P: what does "do xterm" mean? what does "while in black" mean? |
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| 17:32.35 | J_P | soory is : people, anyone know how do xterm white in black ? |
| 17:32.37 | J_P | :-) |
| 17:32.48 | Ronin | i think he means white text on a black background? |
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| 17:32.53 | Ronin | !vagueness |
| 17:32.56 | J_P | Ronin: yes :-) |
| 17:32.59 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 17:33.01 | lontra_ | stew: thanks! |
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| 17:33.15 | abrotman | !tell Valombre about away |
| 17:33.23 | Valombre | oops :x |
| 17:33.32 | RichiH | and in french, too! |
| 17:33.34 | RichiH | ;) |
| 17:33.35 | SN^Vampire | what command i must insert to install kde with whole depends? |
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| 17:33.51 | J_P | Ronin: you know ? |
| 17:33.55 | njkt | Ronin, execute xterm with -fg white -bg black |
| 17:34.01 | Ronin | man xterm |
| 17:34.05 | njkt | errr J_P i mean |
| 17:34.05 | RichiH | SN^Vampire: at the moment, kde obviously can not install in whole |
| 17:34.11 | stew | J_P: you can set the background, foreground resources, or xterm has a "reverseVideo" resource, man X and read the RESOURCES section and read about xrdb / .Xresources / .Xdefaults |
| 17:34.36 | RichiH | SN^Vampire: either install everything except the parts in question or try and trace why that one package can not be installed |
| 17:34.43 | stew | SN^Vampire: "apt-get install kde" should work if you are running stable. if that isn't working then get us the information in "/msg dpkg bat" |
| 17:34.44 | J_P | stew: are there anyone (not gnome-terminal) more advanced for this ? |
| 17:34.59 | RichiH | stew: testing, afaik |
| 17:35.03 | stew | J_P: i didn't understand that question |
| 17:35.13 | Ronin | glad its not just me |
| 17:35.16 | stew | 13:29 < SN^Vampire> i have debian sarge. How can i install the latest kde ? |
| 17:35.18 | J_P | stew: another terminal type, like as xterm |
| 17:35.44 | Ronin | J_P: eterm, aterm, etc sort a personal choice thing |
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| 17:38.34 | stew | J_P: there are lots of possible terms, xterm,uxterm,rxvt,aterm,eterm,gnome-terminal,konsole... i'm not sure which feature would make you consider one more advanced than another, my suggestion would be to try a bunch |
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| 17:41.53 | SN^Vampire | stew, apt-get install kde tell me, that kde depend from kde-amusements, but it not be installed. What can i do to install kde with depends |
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| 17:43.10 | stew | SN^Vampire: put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 kdelibs kde-amusements" into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:46.55 | SN^Vampire | E: Неверная операция police |
| 17:46.56 | SN^Vampire | libc6: |
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| 17:47.29 | peterrus | thats russian -_- |
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| 17:47.38 | peterrus | PASTEBIN please |
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| 17:47.42 | SN^Vampire | kde-amusements: |
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| 17:47.45 | stew | SN^Vampire: stop |
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| 17:48.33 | peterrus | dude |
| 17:48.37 | peterrus | pastebin is your man |
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| 17:52.44 | sgnut | does anyone hold a CISSP certification? (sorry for the OT) |
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| 17:53.35 | odla | i'm running xdm, rather then start fvwm i want to start fvwm-themes-start...i know i need to edit something for xdm but not sure where |
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| 17:54.07 | odla | ah is it ~/.xsessions |
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| 17:56.53 | odla | nope that wasn't it :) |
| 17:57.09 | scoobie2 | guys... I'm trying to read some dude's code, and it's completely insane. However, I am not very good with awk and I was wondering if someone could take the time to translate this line for me "printf(" Intervju denne uke :%2d.0%1d %4d(%4d) ",(umtidcom/umantcom)/60,rumm,umantcom,uantcom)". What, exactly, does this thing do? Most importantly, how is it using the rumm, umantcom and uantcom variables? Please, I need to figure this out. |
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| 17:57.38 | SN^Vampire | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3479 |
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| 17:58.17 | maxy | odla: edit .xsession, and choose "custom" as window manager IIRC |
| 17:58.53 | stew | SN^Vampire: you have both testing and stable sources. you shouldn't mix the two, which version are you intending to run? |
| 17:59.19 | SN^Vampire | why? |
| 17:59.28 | SN^Vampire | stable |
| 18:00.04 | stew | SN^Vampire: the libraries are not binary-compatible. you should get rid of the testing sources from sources.list and apt-get update. you can also get rid of non-US, it no longer exists |
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| 18:05.24 | SN^Vampire | stew, i left deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free and deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib. And now i type "apt-get install kde" he tell me, that i have newst version (3.3.2) |
| 18:06.17 | stew | SN^Vampire: yes, you have backports.org pinned at 1, if you want to install from backports then "apt-get -t sarge-backports install kde" |
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| 18:06.48 | BlankB | Where can I find an example of a proper sources.list for debian stable? |
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| 18:07.01 | stew | BlankB: man sources.list or run apt-setup |
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| 18:07.12 | BlankB | thank you stew. |
| 18:07.28 | rewt22 | /msg BlankBThe sources.list for using stable reads -- |
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| 18:09.19 | peterrus | how can i set permissions for my dvd-rw writer? whenever i want to burn a cd with a user i get a permission denied error |
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| 18:09.40 | stew | peterrus: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:10.00 | peterrus | i have a 2.6, see 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 18:10.17 | stew | peterrus: you have to burn as root with 2.6 kernels |
| 18:10.52 | peterrus | okay, no problem, thanx. but ehm can i just make gnomebaker be run as root for default? |
| 18:10.54 | infernix | can someone think of a reason why xorg uses 750MB ram and 1.8GB swap space? |
| 18:11.06 | peterrus | infernix, wow, wtf |
| 18:11.10 | SN^Vampire | stew, backports have only 3.5.0. If i wont to install 3.5.4 for example, i must use testing? |
| 18:11.11 | infernix | Xorg as in the process. running debian etch here with ion3 |
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| 18:11.33 | stew | SN^Vampire: yes, you'd have to upgrade your entire distribution to testing |
| 18:12.13 | SN^Vampire | hm.. so, i can't install unstable kde on stable sarge? |
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| 18:13.13 | infernix | i guess its fglrx leaking memory. cant think of any other reason |
| 18:15.05 | SN^Vampire | stew, hm.. so, i can't install unstable kde on stable sarge? Some other packages, kaffeine for example, can i use unstable verions? |
| 18:15.39 | ice_1963 | :) |
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| 18:16.14 | stew | SN^Vampire: no, don't install testing/unstable packages on stable |
| 18:16.46 | SN^Vampire | why, many people do that ^^ |
| 18:17.58 | stew | SN^Vampire: becuase the unstable binary packages are compilied against the unstable libraries, so either they will break or force you to upgrade partially to unstable, in which case you are better off installing unstable. stable/unstable mixes are not something we would be willing to support here |
| 18:17.58 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 18:18.14 | Rug | I am stuck on a samba problem. I have ceated my share, I can Read the dir's & files within, I can even change to different sub-dirs. I cannot make new files/edit existing files. |
| 18:18.35 | ice_1963 | stew: do you use a text base browser? |
| 18:18.51 | SN^Vampire | stew, thanks |
| 18:19.06 | Rug | I have used webmin to add all my users to give the correct permissions, but alas it doesn't seem to help |
| 18:19.09 | stew | ice_1963: i often use w3m |
| 18:19.23 | tuv | whenever i close the lid of my laptop and leave it for a while, xscreensaver locks the screen although everything is disabled in xscreensaver prefs. how can i disable screen locking? |
| 18:19.28 | stew | !depends kaffeine unstable |
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| 18:19.36 | dpkg | kaffeine: depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libattr1 (>= 2.4.4-1), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcdparanoia0, libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libice6, libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libogg0 (>= 1.1.3), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisenc2 (>= ... |
| 18:19.50 | ice_1963 | stew: is that better then lynx? |
| 18:19.54 | stew | SN^Vampire: ^^^ it wants to upgrade libc6 to unstable, which at that point you are pretty much on unstable |
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| 18:20.33 | stew | ice_1963: i think so, it will let you view images inline when you are in a term the supports it, and has tabbed browsing and better overall interface imho |
| 18:21.05 | ice_1963 | stew: ok |
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| 18:21.24 | ice_1963 | stew: thak you |
| 18:21.29 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all |
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| 18:26.32 | mlehrer | is there an m4 expert in the house who can tell me how to output a comma |
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| 18:28.35 | streuner | !ask |
| 18:28.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:29.21 | mlehrer | ah, the answer is to put it inside a `' |
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| 18:29.57 | wolfmankurd | hey |
| 18:30.07 | wolfmankurd | dpkg --remove python wont work |
| 18:30.12 | JordiGH | Er, someone gave me the link, but I lost it. What's the protocol for suggesting a package for adoption? |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | wolfmankurd: tha'ts not the package name |
| 18:30.30 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 18:30.30 | dpkg | somebody said wnpp was Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 18:30.43 | JordiGH | Thanks dude. |
| 18:30.49 | wolfmankurd | abrottman but it tries to remove it |
| 18:30.54 | wolfmankurd | abrotman* |
| 18:31.10 | wolfmankurd | just fails, |
| 18:31.22 | JordiGH | If someone has already compiled .debs for Debian, is it easier for a package to get adopted? |
| 18:31.34 | wolfmankurd | I installed a newer version form source. |
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| 18:31.50 | JordiGH | Oh, that's right. I had to use email. That's why I didn't do it last time. :-/ |
| 18:31.59 | Relis86 | I have two questions for you all, will I be relitively safe using debian stable for at least another 12 months? |
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| 18:32.14 | tuv | wolfmankurd, "dpkg -l | grep python" to find out the actual package name |
| 18:32.15 | Relis86 | and can i run the latest firefox and gaim on sarge |
| 18:32.29 | rockstar_ | Hm, I can write python scripts using smptlib that send emails out from my webserver, but they won't send out from our php based website. |
| 18:32.39 | wolfmankurd | Relish86 I've been using this for 2 years :P |
| 18:32.58 | mfrisch | and I like unstable |
| 18:33.03 | rockstar_ | I think it might be related to the fact that we have an external mailserver, and internal DNS. |
| 18:33.06 | tuv | Relis86, stable is a moving target that is safe to run as long as the debian project is alive |
| 18:33.20 | JordiGH | Relis86: Latest? They're not a Debian package, but you can override apt if you'd like, and I'm fairly certain they work fine. As for using stable for another 12 months, well, yes, it probably will work, but you'll have an outdated system. |
| 18:33.27 | tuv | Relis86, it's sarge that will eventually reach end-of-life |
| 18:34.08 | Relis86 | god damnit, why cant I just find a distro I can install on these 8 pcs, and just stay without a huge upgrade for a few years xD |
| 18:34.40 | Ronin | Relis86: you dont want updates? you like insecure systems? |
| 18:34.52 | mfrisch | Relis86: it will work as good now as in a year. nothing will be fixed upgrades |
| 18:34.53 | wolfmankurd | tuv: which do I rmeove :S |
| 18:35.09 | tuv | wolfmankurd, the one you don't want ;) |
| 18:35.15 | JordiGH | Relis86: It's not a big deal if you don't update. If it works fine now, it'll work fine in 100 years. You'll just be outdated, that's all. |
| 18:35.15 | wolfmankurd | lol |
| 18:35.44 | wolfmankurd | still get dep problems |
| 18:35.46 | Relis86 | something wrong with being outdated? :) |
| 18:35.51 | JordiGH | Relis86: After all, sarge is extensively tested for security holes, which is the only thing that should really worry you. |
| 18:36.24 | JordiGH | Relis86: Not if you don't mind living in your own outdated vacuum. When the rest of the world goes ahead and updates and uses newer software and newer standards, you might have a hard time interacting with it. |
| 18:37.29 | Relis86 | Gnaome 2.8 doesn't look like windows 9x does it? I dont want it to look too ancient |
| 18:37.32 | Relis86 | gnome* |
| 18:37.38 | wolfmankurd | Whats does dependency problems prevent removal of python2.3 |
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| 18:37.47 | wolfmankurd | oh I get it |
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| 18:38.56 | mfrisch | Relis86: gnome 2.8 runs fine |
| 18:38.58 | tuv | wolfmankurd, if you want a package and all its dependants removed, use apt-get or aptitude instead of dpkg |
| 18:39.02 | Arnald | is it possible to tell what version of gcc was used to build a given kernel? |
| 18:39.10 | Relis86 | I would use etch but every god damn PC here has issues with xorg, yet runs xfree86 fine |
| 18:39.25 | tuv | Arnald, if it's running, check /proc/version |
| 18:39.39 | Ronin | Relis86: and when etch becomes stable and then out of date? |
| 18:40.05 | Relis86 | Ronin: ...what? |
| 18:40.32 | wolfmankurd | tuv I broke apt-get |
| 18:40.38 | Ronin | Relis86: well etch will eventually move to stable and only get security updates, so it will in time it wont be the latest and youll still have to do updates |
| 18:40.48 | tuv | wolfmankurd, good work :/ |
| 18:41.15 | wolfmankurd | tuv i'm trying to make a deb form the tar.gz and then install that :) |
| 18:41.57 | tuv | wolfmankurd, what's wrong with debian's deb? |
| 18:42.15 | wolfmankurd | tuv I didn't check to see if there was one |
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| 18:43.08 | Arnald | tuv: thanks, but I'd like to look at a non-running one |
| 18:43.47 | tuv | Arnald, run it in a virtual machine and check /proc/version ;) |
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| 18:44.00 | Arnald | I tried strings /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8|grep gcc |
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| 18:44.16 | JordiGH | How did I quit? Was that peer at it again? |
| 18:44.19 | Arnald | tuv: I don't have a VM with that version ;) |
| 18:44.59 | Arnald | in fact the reason I need the answer is so I CAN run a VM ;) |
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| 18:45.34 | JordiGH | That's a BitchX quit. Hmmm... |
| 18:45.38 | tuv | Arnald, i bet this is not the best way, but qemu can run any kernel |
| 18:46.06 | Arnald | without a filesystem? |
| 18:46.29 | Arnald | I use Qemu quite a lot, but I've never seen that |
| 18:46.56 | tuv | Arnald, i think it's called user mode or something |
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| 18:47.10 | Arnald | tuv: OK thanks |
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| 18:48.10 | Relis86 | Why is debian sid called unstable, all the packages on it atm are stable ones :S |
| 18:48.27 | Ronin | Relis86: umm at the moment being the key part of that |
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| 18:48.31 | Relis86 | only unstable one is xfce |
| 18:48.35 | tuv | Arnald, it's in the man page examples: qemu linux.img |
| 18:48.43 | SN^Vampire | stew, so, some unstable packages required other unstable version? |
| 18:48.43 | Ronin | that can change tomorrow |
| 18:49.01 | stew | SN^Vampire: i didn't understand the questino |
| 18:49.33 | SN^Vampire | stew SN^Vampire: ^^^ it wants to upgrade libc6 to unstable, |
| 18:49.43 | Arnald | hmm, for some reason I don't have qemu man page installed - oh well google time |
| 18:50.32 | JordiGH | *sniff* That's a lot of packages needing love. I hope someone notices mine. :-( |
| 18:50.35 | SN^Vampire | this unstable soft may turn my stable debian in unstable ?:) |
| 18:50.37 | stew | SN^Vampire: i was noting that kaffeine in unstable requres that you upgrade libc6 to a testing/unstable version. libc6 aka glibc is the most critical library on your system |
| 18:50.40 | tuv | Arnald, http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.html#SEC25 |
| 18:50.42 | Relis86 | is SiD stable enough for a desktop?? |
| 18:50.49 | Relis86 | the current sid |
| 18:50.59 | stew | Relis86: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 18:50.59 | tuv | Relis86, testing is good enough |
| 18:51.08 | Arnald | tuv: thanks again! |
| 18:51.31 | Ronin | Relis86: can you fix it when it breaks? not if mind you |
| 18:51.41 | Relis86 | tuv: Etch DOES NOT run good on this, I know your saying 'omg one issue and you give it up', i was heer for 2 weeks trying to get etch going,, |
| 18:51.41 | SN^Vampire | stew, and if this libc6 will unstable.. it bad? |
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| 18:52.14 | stew | SN^Vampire: running a mix of stable and unstable is bad. running unstable when you don't know how to fix it when it breaks is bad |
| 18:52.18 | tuv | Relis86, "Etch DOES NOT run good on this"... on what? |
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| 18:52.30 | Relis86 | tuv: On my toaster.. |
| 18:52.32 | Ronin | Relis86: please elaborate why etch wont run on your computer |
| 18:52.35 | Relis86 | tuv: This computer! |
| 18:52.42 | Relis86 | xorg version |
| 18:52.46 | SN^Vampire | stew,ok, i'm understand, thx |
| 18:52.46 | Relis86 | something buggy with it |
| 18:52.51 | JordiGH | Relis86: Sure. A lot of us use sid for a desktop. It's more stable than its name suggests. |
| 18:52.55 | Ronin | Relis86: more specific please |
| 18:52.58 | dendrite | !pronouns |
| 18:53.01 | tuv | Relis86, why would etch work on all computers but yours? |
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| 18:53.12 | stew | Relis86: upgrading to unstable because testing is buggy is not a sound plan |
| 18:53.13 | Relis86 | it works, but |
| 18:53.14 | tuv | Relis86, 'cause it's a toaster |
| 18:53.19 | Relis86 | Everything lags |
| 18:53.33 | Relis86 | Video lag, i've messed with virtually EVERYTHING |
| 18:54.00 | dendrite | stew: That's a bit of an understatement! =) |
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| 18:54.28 | Relis86 | But sid is generally more stable than other stable distros like fedora |
| 18:54.30 | Relis86 | right? |
| 18:54.36 | dendrite | Relis86: No. |
| 18:54.45 | Relis86 | ... |
| 18:54.46 | Ronin | Relis86: no and why not just fix your etch install |
| 18:54.57 | Relis86 | God damnit, wait till liable comes in here |
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| 18:55.01 | Ronin | heck if not to be rude but if thats not possible you really shouldnt think of sid |
| 18:55.01 | Relis86 | he'll tell you |
| 18:55.06 | stew | Relis86: i woudlnt' expect that testings 7.0.22 xorg and unstables 7.0.23 xorg would behave differently in your scenario |
| 18:55.21 | Relis86 | Nothing worked for me on etch, ask liable |
| 18:55.25 | Relis86 | It is cursed on my box |
| 18:55.33 | JordiGH | But sarge worked? |
| 18:55.36 | Relis86 | yes. |
| 18:55.38 | Relis86 | and sid |
| 18:55.45 | JordiGH | Which video driver did you use in sarge? |
| 18:55.49 | Ronin | so why not run sarge? |
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| 18:55.55 | dendrite | Relis86: If you can't nail down specifics as to *why* stuff doesn't work with etch, then you don't have a prayer of getting Sid to play ball. |
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| 18:56.14 | Relis86 | I want to ronin, but people in here keep putting in my head "omg its gonna go unsupported and outdated" |
| 18:56.30 | Relis86 | dendrite: if you were here last night you would get it |
| 18:56.40 | Ronin | Relis86: in time yes but if you use stable in your source list when etch moves to stable etc. |
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| 18:56.47 | JordiGH | Relis86: etch is scheduled to be a stable realease by December. |
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| 18:57.03 | Ronin | Relis86: and etch too will time out support wise etc etc |
| 18:57.06 | Relis86 | So if I run sarge, and do an apt-get upgrade when etch is stable |
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| 18:57.10 | Relis86 | ill have etch? |
| 18:57.20 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 18:57.21 | dendrite | Relis86: dist-upgrade, but yes. |
| 18:57.27 | Ronin | dist-upgrade |
| 18:57.28 | AndroidData | I have a problem. Everyone in #pureftpd is catatonic. :\ |
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| 18:57.45 | AndroidData | I'm using virtual users for my pure-ftpd installation. I want to create a tool that will allow clients to add/remove FTP users through a web interface. I can send commands to the shell (as root) but pure-pw seems to be interactive and I can't input the password. I know that useradd has a -p option that allows you to specify a password; is the same with pure-pw? <_< |
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| 18:57.49 | tuv | Relis86, provided you use "stable" in your sources.list and not sarge |
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| 18:58.33 | gebruiker123 | how do I make a restore image for my pc? |
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| 18:59.08 | JordiGH | gebruiker123: You mean, backup your entire harddrive? I would do it by booting into Knoppix... |
| 18:59.38 | gebruiker123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | mfrisch | gebruiker123: dump/restore is nice |
| 19:00.00 | JordiGH | Ghost image? Should I know what that means? :-) |
| 19:00.07 | sepski | gebruiker123, check out partimage |
| 19:00.31 | mfrisch | sepski: that allways messes up my drive |
| 19:00.51 | gebruiker123 | so what options are left? |
| 19:01.02 | xsappyx | gebruiker123: also check out g4u (ghost for unix) you will need another box running tftp, but it works |
| 19:01.39 | mfrisch | gebruiker123: not that i condone using symantic it does understand ext |
| 19:01.39 | gebruiker123 | xsappyx i only have one box.... |
| 19:02.06 | xsappyx | gebruiker123: what are you going to back up to? another partition, or...? |
| 19:02.14 | maxy | gebruiker123: all... even dd if=/dev/hda of=/my/big/image |
| 19:02.17 | gebruiker123 | i just want to create a restore image(cd) so that when I put it in my cdrom/dvd player it restores my computer... mkfs etc... etc.. |
| 19:02.23 | mfrisch | dump/restore really works for me |
| 19:02.52 | gebruiker123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.10 | maxy | gebruiker123: all... even dd if=/my/big/image of=/dev/hda |
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| 19:03.27 | maxy | gebruiker123: dd if=/my/big/image of=/dev/hda I mean - but no bootable CD, sorry |
| 19:03.43 | gebruiker123 | is there a way I can create a bootable restore cd? |
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| 19:04.20 | maxy | if your whole OS+data fits into one CD you are lucky anyway |
| 19:04.40 | epsilon | take dvd |
| 19:04.52 | Relis86 | !dpkg liar |
| 19:04.53 | dpkg | i heard liar is me |
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| 19:04.53 | gebruiker123 | maxy yes dvd... |
| 19:05.01 | gebruiker123 | dvd imges are fine... |
| 19:06.35 | JordiGH | Hee-hee... http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
| 19:06.46 | gebruiker123 | anyone? |
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| 19:07.24 | killown | gebruiker123 mkfiso |
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| 19:08.06 | killown | gebruiker123 create iso >> / |
| 19:08.18 | tuv | gebruiker123, did you do an apt-cache search? |
| 19:08.21 | gebruiker123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.28 | killown | after record iso image in CD |
| 19:08.34 | gebruiker123 | tuv yeahh... |
| 19:09.00 | tuv | gebruiker123, then you must have seen cdbackup |
| 19:09.39 | tuv | gebruiker123, and cedar-backup2 |
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| 19:10.19 | splif | Hi everyone, what kind of traffic has to be allowed for a ipsec firewall to function properly? any speacial ports or protocols that I should consider opening? |
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| 19:10.32 | splif | ipsec vpn sorry |
| 19:10.39 | tuv | gebruiker123, and mondo |
| 19:10.39 | WillyWortel | gebruiker123, maybe : http://www.ferzkopp.net/Software/CloneIt/CloneIt.html |
| 19:10.57 | tuv | gebruiker123, and multicd |
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| 19:12.05 | peppo | I can't find a good HOWTO on how to get USB mass storage devices to automount on Debian (unstable). |
| 19:12.15 | stew | peppo: are you a gnome user? |
| 19:12.17 | peppo | I just connected my USB2 mp3 player, that is just a usb mass storage device. |
| 19:12.21 | peppo | stew, yes. |
| 19:12.27 | peppo | 2.14.3 |
| 19:12.28 | gebruiker123 | yes multicd but will any of these programs restore?? |
| 19:12.38 | stew | peppo: installing gnome-volume-manager should be enough |
| 19:13.01 | peppo | oh. gnome-volume-manager wasn't installed. |
| 19:13.17 | tuv | gebruiker123, of course. any backup system is no use without restore utilities |
| 19:13.22 | killown | peppo... automount > autofs for that |
| 19:13.40 | peppo | stew, would I have to restart my gnome session? |
| 19:13.48 | stew | peppo: i don't know |
| 19:13.57 | rockstar_ | How do I configure exim4 to send all mail out? I've got a webserver that doesn't send mail from php or php-pear |
| 19:13.58 | peppo | installing and reconnecting the device had noe ffect |
| 19:14.00 | maxy | gebruiker123: why do you desperately need to restore when booting the CD? |
| 19:14.04 | gebruiker123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.18 | JordiGH | Omg... a distro for Christians: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/ |
| 19:14.31 | gebruiker123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.46 | Relis86 | JordiGH: ... |
| 19:14.47 | tuv | gebruiker123, you're asking about bootable backup media. if it doesn't do that you can simply boot off some live cd like knoppix and perform the restore process |
| 19:15.07 | JordiGH | Relis86: Yeah, sorry. I'm being OT... |
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| 19:15.22 | killown | oh! my god |
| 19:15.36 | JordiGH | killown: What, what, what? |
| 19:15.45 | odla | how do i enable automounting in xfce4? i have ivman installed |
| 19:16.00 | killown | JordiGH... the gebruiker123 asking |
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| 19:16.24 | peppo | nah. it just doesn't work. |
| 19:16.29 | gebruiker123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.41 | tuv | gebruiker123, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/240 |
| 19:16.43 | peppo | I get an "iAUDIO" device in "Computer", but clicking it gives error: could not execute pmount. |
| 19:17.04 | tuv | gebruiker123, http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 19:17.05 | tuv | http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 19:17.45 | liran_ | is there some place where i can track the bandwidth usage of each application? |
| 19:17.59 | liran_ | i was looking a bit through /proc to see if i can find something interesting |
| 19:18.01 | stew | peppo: do you have pmount installed? |
| 19:18.10 | peppo | stew, yes. |
| 19:18.20 | gebruiker123 | tuv I have packages that are created by myself but not uploaded to a network accesable repository |
| 19:18.31 | peppo | but usbmount wasn't installed |
| 19:18.32 | stew | peppo: add yourself to the plugdev group, logout and log back in |
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| 19:19.10 | peppo | stew, no such group. |
| 19:19.12 | tuv | liran_, there is a number of apps to do that |
| 19:19.19 | peppo | oh, it was hidden. |
| 19:19.25 | maxy | gebruiker123: have you seen that "fully automated install" project thing already? maybe it has what you need, I don't know |
| 19:20.55 | WillyWortel | gebruiker123 : if you have 1 machine free, you could use NOC-Monkey ( remote O.S. installer ), it free after registration. |
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| 19:21.21 | peppo | stew, thanks! |
| 19:21.34 | stew | peppo: worked? |
| 19:21.39 | peppo | yep. |
| 19:21.42 | tuv | gebruiker123, you may find this page of interest: http://www.faqs.org/docs/gazette/backup.html |
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| 19:22.31 | cr3 | is there a command to configure the network related files, like /etc/network/interfaces, from a curses environment? |
| 19:22.33 | rockstar_ | I'm trying to get my webserver to send out mail, and it seems to work with my python scripts, but never if I invoke exim4 myself. |
| 19:22.39 | rockstar_ | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:23.11 | stew | !no automount is <reply> if you are a gnome user ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, otherwise ask me about <ivman> or <autofs> |
| 19:23.11 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 19:23.33 | WillyWortel | gebruiker123 : noc Monkey = http://nocmonkey.psoft.net/ Before using watch the difference between V1.5 and beta 2.0 |
| 19:24.13 | stew | !gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. apt-get install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works |
| 19:24.13 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 19:24.30 | liran_ | tuv: i want the raw data so i can make use of it myself. any ideas? (and which apps can do this except for ntop which i know of) |
| 19:24.31 | peppo | :) |
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| 19:24.46 | stew | !ivman =~ s/unstable/testing and unstable/ |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 19:24.55 | abrotman | cr3: etherconf |
| 19:25.09 | cr3 | abrotman: cheers, I'll try that |
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| 19:27.21 | jlaw | cheers |
| 19:27.58 | keherman | how do i take the string "<a href=blahblah.htm>linktext</a>" and only extract the linktext portion using sed or something similar? |
| 19:28.18 | keherman | i am using curl on a page and wonder if there is an easier way to do this |
| 19:28.22 | jlaw | a common debian related question |
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| 19:29.11 | epsilon | metacode: sed s/<...>// |
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| 19:29.52 | keherman | epsilon, yes but i don't know what is in between always -- it is dynamic |
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| 19:30.32 | epsilon | find a pattern |
| 19:30.49 | Bushmills | AMD64 sid - all mirrors seem to lack Packages.gz files?? |
| 19:31.19 | keherman | epsilon, i want to rip out the "a" tags and just get the data |
| 19:31.23 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.26 | keherman | like in XML, i can easily do this |
| 19:31.38 | keherman | a.href would give me the url |
| 19:31.51 | Bushmills | mfrisch: i tried 50% of those: http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 19:32.00 | Bushmills | mfrisch: what are "real" mirrors? |
| 19:32.09 | rockstar_ | My apache 2 server is erroring out on php_flag directives. Anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 19:32.48 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.55 | amico | anyone know how to use the rsh command and send the password from the cmd line? |
| 19:32.58 | Eulex | hmm, can anybody explain this: I've got a file named .il-to-c.exu.swp in a directory. but if I do ls -al *.swp I get: "ls: *.swp: No such file or directory" |
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| 19:33.26 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.54 | epsilon | ls -al .*.swp |
| 19:34.04 | xsappyx | rockstar_: in your apache2/mods-enabled/ is there a link to the php configs? |
| 19:34.10 | Flakk | hello people how do you connect two computers if you want to exchage data between them? |
| 19:34.14 | mherweg | hi ! how can I enter a virtual netw.card (eth0:1) into network/interfaces so that it will be started on boot? |
| 19:34.26 | Eulex | epsilon, oh, yes, that lists it. but why doesn't ls -al *.swp list it? |
| 19:34.26 | Bushmills | mfrisch: that one does it, thanks. |
| 19:34.36 | epsilon | Eulex. is missing |
| 19:34.49 | rockstar_ | xsappyx, yeah, but I think it might be caused by php4 and php5 installed at the same time... |
| 19:34.51 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.15 | Eulex | epsilon, yes, I know of the dot, but imho the pattern *.swp matches .il-to-c.exu.swp |
| 19:35.20 | epsilon | Flakk: ftp, nfs, samba, rsync, bla bla bla |
| 19:35.49 | xsappyx | mherweg: add a "auto eth0:1" in /etc/network/interfaces above the iface |
| 19:36.20 | xsappyx | rockstar_: are they both enabled ? have you tried just 4 or just 5 enabled? |
| 19:36.26 | Flakk | epsilon: I mean they are in the same room and i donot want to pass throught the NET |
| 19:37.09 | epsilon | Flakk: print the disk content on a printer and type it on 2nd PC to store |
| 19:37.27 | amico | lol |
| 19:37.55 | amico | serial cable link? |
| 19:38.28 | Flakk | what is the serial cable link sorry? |
| 19:39.17 | cabaire | Flakk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem |
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| 19:40.37 | xsappyx | mherweg: was that enough for ya, or would you like an example pasted into #flood? |
| 19:40.55 | kelt | hi, I was wondering if the program "ls" has a limit to how much it can list? |
| 19:41.10 | Flakk | amico, cabaire: one of them is a laptop without serial port |
| 19:42.00 | kelt | I'm trying to do a "ls -alR /mnt > myFiles" and it stops working after a while |
| 19:42.07 | amico | flakk, whats on com1? |
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| 19:42.22 | amico | the mouse? |
| 19:42.33 | Flakk | i have an usb mouse |
| 19:43.00 | kelt | actually it is /mnt/a_pvfs_share to be more preciese |
| 19:43.01 | amico | every laptop should habe a serialport |
| 19:43.17 | amico | it might be 9 pins |
| 19:43.20 | amico | not 25 |
| 19:43.31 | Flakk | i mean the toy hich is in the null modem link does not fit, there are no god holes |
| 19:43.37 | Flakk | good holes |
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| 19:43.53 | asasas | i cannot seems to unmount a blank dvd mount: /mnt/dvdwriter: device is busy |
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| 19:44.00 | asasas | how can i do that |
| 19:44.09 | amico | u need a adapter 25-9 pin |
| 19:44.45 | amico | bbl |
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| 19:45.38 | mherweg | xsappyx: thank you I'll try that |
| 19:45.58 | asasas | i cannot seems to unmount a blank dvd mount: /mnt/dvdwriter: device is busy |
| 19:46.04 | asasas | how to fix that |
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| 19:47.13 | Flakk | what is a CROSSOVER network cable? |
| 19:47.13 | xsappyx | asasas: 1. make sure you arn't in /mnt/dvdwriter :) 2. umount -f work? 3. fuser /mnt/dvdwriter to see what is using it |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | Flakk: ask google |
| 19:47.37 | Flakk | right |
| 19:47.42 | asasas | -f did not work |
| 19:50.27 | xsappyx | asasas: fuser /mnt/dvdwriter/ come back with anything? |
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| 19:52.11 | tuv | liran_, does ntop actually report network usage by application? |
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| 19:54.52 | rockstar_ | exim doesn't seem to want to send email from php. Anyone have any ideas what I might be able to dig around in? |
| 19:54.55 | tuv | what does this error line in xorg log mean: "I830 Driscreeninit failed because of version mismatch" (using the i810 driver) |
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| 19:58.46 | kelt | anyone know about restrictions on how much data "/bin/ls" can process? |
| 20:00.17 | liran_ | tuv: i think it does. by application or pid. but it doesnt help me anyway :) |
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| 20:02.26 | Jin^eLD | hi.. this is probably not a debian question, so I am sort of trying my luck, not sure where else to ask :> I am using autoconf to create a configure script for my project; I need to enable largefile support so I am using AC_SYS_LARGEFILE to set the requried flags; after that I am doing an AC_FUNC_FEEKO check to see if the function is present. any idea how to handle the case that LFS is enabled but fseeko is not found/present? |
| 20:02.33 | Jin^eLD | maybe some autotools expert is willing to help me out :> |
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| 20:09.55 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:09.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 20:12.27 | Zap-W | any reason why mplayer would lock up a nic? |
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| 20:15.45 | ^Ocean^ | Is there anything special i have todo to get svgalib to reconize my usb mouse ? |
| 20:16.28 | Guerin | wth does svgalib have to do with mousen? |
| 20:16.46 | ^Ocean^ | Guerin, none of my svga applications see the mouse |
| 20:17.02 | stew | ^Ocean^: do you have gpm installed? |
| 20:17.16 | ^Ocean^ | stew: i dont think so |
| 20:17.23 | Chipzz | I did an upgrade for security fixes on a machine that uses ldap to login yesterday, and after that, ssh logins broke |
| 20:17.34 | Chipzz | anyone who can think of a reason why this is happening? |
| 20:17.36 | stew | ^Ocean^: you need it for mouse support in a vt |
| 20:18.22 | Chipzz | I still can do su and sudo perfectly fine |
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| 20:18.35 | tarzeau_ | !popcon |
| 20:18.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 20:18.58 | stew | Chipzz: what does "grep -i usepam /etc/ssh/sshd_config" say? |
| 20:19.08 | crypt_ex | I got a file starting with -, how can I rename this file? \-filename does not work? |
| 20:19.16 | crypt_ex | really need to rename this via the command linwe |
| 20:19.18 | crypt_ex | line |
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| 20:19.28 | Bry2k200 | how do i ask dpkg a question? |
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| 20:19.28 | stew | mv -- -filename someothername |
| 20:19.33 | crypt_ex | ah thanks |
| 20:19.42 | Guerin | Bry2k200: /msg dpkg hello |
| 20:19.44 | Bry2k200 | specifically, about marillat |
| 20:19.51 | stew | Bry2k200: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:19.53 | Guerin | s/hello/marillat/ |
| 20:19.55 | Chipzz | stew: commented out |
| 20:20.18 | Chipzz | stew: but the ssh debug log mentions the following: |
| 20:20.20 | Chipzz | Aug 17 22:19:05 goofball sshd[27496]: debug3: PAM: sshpam_init_ctx entering |
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| 20:20.49 | itchi | After an power failure, it's looks that there are no more the mysql module loaded on my webserver. But it's still installed. How come that and what need i to do? |
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| 20:21.47 | Bry2k200 | stew; i'm supposed to ask the bot about marillat ie: For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. |
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| 20:22.24 | stew | Chipzz: i don't know what the default setting for usePAM is |
| 20:22.30 | stew | Bry2k200: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:22.38 | Bry2k200 | testing |
| 20:22.40 | Bry2k200 | etch |
| 20:22.47 | stew | Bry2k200: /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 20:22.55 | Bry2k200 | thanks m8 |
| 20:23.10 | ^Ocean^ | stew, Thanks alot, works now. Now the only problem is my svgalib games are choppy |
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| 20:23.55 | Chipzz | stew: hrrrm, apparently using UsePAM yes ha sit working again. But I'm pretty sure UsePAM wasn't used before it broke, and on another box it just gave me an error whene attempting to restart ssh :/ |
| 20:24.00 | itchi | Database still work also, but that's not an problem like i have backup of the data, just that i have reinstall that box 4 days ago after and HDD failure, and now that power failure that suck |
| 20:25.20 | itchi | Is there an tool to check the integrity of the filesystem? I'm no more remember that check fs thing |
| 20:26.42 | asg | itchi: fsck |
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| 20:27.12 | itchi | asg: Thanks ;-) i was looking on that sckfs hehe |
| 20:27.33 | asg | itchi: at least you didn't try 'apropos scandisk' |
| 20:28.21 | itchi | apropos scandisk |
| 20:28.22 | itchi | scandisk: nothing appropriate. |
| 20:28.25 | itchi | :-/ |
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| 20:28.31 | asg | indeed, scandisk is a Windows thing |
| 20:29.03 | itchi | It's an fresh install of some days ago, with base install, there are actually realy not many things installed on it |
| 20:29.21 | stew | itchi: fsck is installed |
| 20:29.40 | itchi | To run that fsck i need to unmount my fs?? |
| 20:29.51 | asg | itchi: or mount it 'ro' |
| 20:30.04 | itchi | hhhmm, thinking ... |
| 20:30.18 | itchi | mount / ro ? |
| 20:30.26 | itchi | Never did that already ;-) |
| 20:30.28 | asg | itchi: if it's the '/' filesystem, better to 'touch /forcefsck ; reboot' |
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| 20:30.42 | bronaugh | hmm, I asked about this yesterday, but has anyone else noticed libpcap0.8 being b0rken? |
| 20:30.52 | bronaugh | I checked the BTS yesterday, and there was no mention of a bug. |
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| 20:31.30 | itchi | asg: After creating that file the computer then go to reboot do the check thing remove that file, then again reboot? |
| 20:31.48 | asg | itchi: yes |
| 20:31.55 | itchi | I ask now, like then i go to be disconnected. |
| 20:31.58 | tuv | itchi, it's probably a good idea to set FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:32.05 | itchi | it's my gateway comp |
| 20:32.30 | itchi | tuv: How so? |
| 20:32.51 | asg | itchi: wait. If you aren't physically there don't do it. |
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| 20:32.58 | asg | itchi: if it doesn't come up, you are SOL. |
| 20:33.06 | itchi | It's my home comp |
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| 20:33.54 | itchi | It's my router/gatway computer at home. So i have full access on it |
| 20:33.55 | SNow | How to know what FS hdd is using to mount it properly?? |
| 20:33.57 | tuv | itchi, setting this allows fsck to do a complete check even if problems were found. usually if problems are found the check is aborted |
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| 20:35.20 | itchi | So with '/forcefsck' he not correct the errors? |
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| 20:35.49 | itchi | We have got an 'street power failure' here :-/ |
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| 20:36.20 | itchi | The whole steet was without power this afternoon, have take 4 hours to fix that trouble |
| 20:37.59 | itchi | tuv: In my case it's not interesting i guess? Like i have an trouble i think |
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| 20:42.40 | itchi | brb, hope i not need to reinstall that system |
| 20:43.44 | Valombre | hey itchi, do you speak french or nederlands ? |
| 20:44.01 | deadcat | wheres scratchi? |
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| 20:47.00 | disposable | SNow: basically if you just mount it withou any " -t filesystem_type" option and it mounts, it's one of recognised filesystems. if it doesn't, cfdisk might give a clue |
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| 20:47.28 | jair | guys it is possible to install nx on the debian stable 3.1? |
| 20:47.40 | disposable | SNow: or fdisk -l |
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| 20:48.38 | itchi | back |
| 20:48.53 | itchi | But looks that fsck have not solve the trouble :-/ |
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| 20:49.15 | itchi | Need i to reinstall that system again or so? |
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| 20:51.48 | itchi | It's not an problem to reinstall it, but if there are an way to solve it without reinstall it, i'm interesting |
| 20:52.25 | itchi | hhhmm, i have a bit lesser troubles it's look |
| 20:52.39 | itchi | But partially solved, that module still not load |
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| 20:56.19 | eleftherios | anyone knows if I can hardcode an MX record for a particular domain so that an application performing a DNS lookup for this particular host does not contact a remote DNS server? |
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| 20:58.26 | xsappyx | eleftherios: not really, no. there are shenanigans to get around it, but just host filing the entry will not work |
| 21:00.23 | Jin^eLD | part |
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| 21:00.36 | eleftherios | xsappyx, ok, I will do it at the application level, thank you :-) |
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| 21:04.14 | aum | hi - where can i find doco for the options for ps2pdf? the manpage doesn't describe them |
| 21:04.19 | azeem | W65 |
| 21:04.23 | azeem | oops, sorry |
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| 21:05.15 | bit0 | hi, which package contents xml support in tcl language? |
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| 21:05.53 | itchi | Okaym re installing the packages php4 phpmyadmin php4-mysql have solve the trouble, but i still not been understand, and not like that :-/ |
| 21:06.35 | itchi | I hope that other packages are not corrupted after an power failure. I have been do 'touch /forcefsck ; reboot' |
| 21:07.28 | rockstar_ | Do I need to do anything to install pear for php4 besides apt-get install php4-pear? |
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| 21:08.05 | erxz_paste | "mysyfy" at 66.180.175.30 pasted "DIV UL Problem" (48 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/2754 |
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| 21:14.55 | hjubal | hola |
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| 21:16.11 | gebruiker | I need to clone my hd to other hd's trough cd/dvd automaticly. What options are there? |
| 21:18.01 | Juzzy | dd is all you need |
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| 21:18.33 | r_marvin | possibly cdrecord |
| 21:18.51 | r_marvin | gebruiker: also look for mondo/mindi |
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| 21:20.12 | AndroidData | ! |
| 21:20.19 | gebruiker | Juzzy: dd doesn't make it bootable |
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| 21:20.38 | gebruiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.41 | rockstar_ | Bootable is a partition level flag, not filesystem |
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| 21:20.54 | r_marvin | gebruiker: as far as i know, yes |
| 21:21.06 | r_marvin | haven't really used them, tho |
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| 21:21.50 | r_marvin | weeeeell, theoretically, one could set a partition bootable with dd |
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| 21:22.21 | r_marvin | but he must now precisely which byte to set in the partition table :) |
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| 21:23.45 | nprice | http://lisar.larc.nasa.gov/IMAGES/LARGE/EL-1996-00130.jpeg hahaha |
| 21:24.11 | bbeltmobile | hello everyone |
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| 21:24.46 | r_marvin | nprice: cool, i knew that image, never looked at it that way before :) |
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| 21:25.49 | bbeltmobile | hey is there a place i can find some instructions on which drivers i need to set for a specific nividia card? |
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| 21:26.24 | bbeltmobile | i know what i have on this system. i just cant seem to find it in the drivers list for the install, so now my screen looks crappy, is there a site for a lookup ? |
| 21:26.32 | bbeltmobile | so i know what i should set it as? |
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| 21:27.17 | recon0 | If I try to start "printing" from the menu, I get "The CUPS server could not be contacted". What should I do? |
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| 21:29.03 | peder_ | I am trying to start courier-imap and this is the output: http://pastebin.ca/136733 , but I cant figure out why it doesnt start. I believe it isnt anything running on that port 143.. How can I eventually kill whats running on port 143? |
| 21:29.23 | robin_sz | first find what is running on port 143 |
| 21:29.38 | robin_sz | netstat -tupan | grep 143 |
| 21:29.59 | robin_sz | wozzit say? |
| 21:31.17 | peder_ | tcp6 0 0 :::143 :::* LISTEN 2086/couriertcpd |
| 21:31.25 | peder_ | Looks like its running on only ipv6 then? |
| 21:31.36 | robin_sz | no eyed dear |
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| 21:33.26 | robin_sz | so, it looks like courier is at least running hten, and claiming ht port |
| 21:35.04 | godlikewrath_ | what does "internal compiler error: no multarch mapping for multilib (64)" mean when building gcc |
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| 21:38.21 | liable | why isevryone compiling gcc lately? was it on digg or something? |
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| 21:38.53 | abrotman | godlikewrath_: did you ask #gcc yet? |
| 21:38.55 | NoPlan | I need a l10n/i18n "guru" to sort out a problem with accented chars on a english/german Debian sid. |
| 21:39.13 | peder_ | Any idea of where I config the static ip to be setup in boot of Debian? |
| 21:39.15 | NoPlan | The accents disappear when printing. |
| 21:39.30 | NoPlan | Screen display is fine, just printing does not work. |
| 21:39.42 | robin_sz | peder_, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:40.04 | godlikewrath_ | abrotman: yeah, multiarch is a debian patch |
| 21:40.10 | NoPlan | My guess is a i18n/l10n/font encoding problem somewhere with CUPS or one of the filter packages used by CUPS. |
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| 21:41.22 | fasta | Is "Hypertext Help with LaTeX" packed for Debian? |
| 21:41.27 | fasta | er packaged |
| 21:42.02 | bbeltmobile | hey which nvida driver do i need to download from their site to get my geforce 3 working on my x86 here? |
| 21:42.09 | abrotman | godlikewrath_: uhm .. afaik .. multiarch doesn't exist yet |
| 21:42.13 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:42.14 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 21:42.29 | peder_ | robin_sz- Whats wrong here: http://pastebin.ca/136753 |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | you misspelled address |
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| 21:44.05 | godlikewrath_ | abrotman: I think I can disable the patch, let me try that |
| 21:44.13 | godlikewrath_ | I don't need multiarch support anyway |
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| 21:46.40 | bbeltmobile | contrib non-free archives |
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| 21:47.03 | rockstar_ | How can I check to see if my Apache user (www-data) has permission to send mai? |
| 21:47.36 | abrotman | rockstar_: unless you've done something .. should be ok |
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| 21:48.21 | stew | rockstar_: as long as they can execute /usr/sbin/sendmail (which anyone should be able to execute) |
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| 21:49.13 | quiet | i'm trying to mount a Server 2003 share on bootup from fstab, but can't seem to get the syntax right. i also don't have a mount.cifs... of course, mount -t cifs works fine... i just wondered if i was missing a package that has that? |
| 21:49.39 | rockstar_ | Yea, seems sendmail is borked... I can't get mail out of the webserver... |
| 21:49.49 | rockstar_ | Everything was installed via apt... |
| 21:50.15 | azeem | rockstar_: which mail server are you using? |
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| 21:50.46 | stew | rockstar_: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" return? |
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| 21:51.05 | _gmak | greetings |
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| 21:51.29 | rockstar_ | azeem, exim4 |
| 21:51.31 | _gmak | i would like to ask, if i want to use latest gnome / kde on debian, is there a project that can give me this on the STABLE branch without me compiling things from source? |
| 21:51.37 | _gmak | thank you for the response, whatever that maybe |
| 21:51.42 | infernix | I installed printconf, which, to my great joy, automatically detected my hp deskjet usb printer, and installed & configured cups. Printing a testpage from the localhost:631 cups interface works great, but none of the apps i run will actually print. im not too sure where to start looking; any ideas? |
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| 21:51.44 | dennis | hi |
| 21:51.49 | dennis | ...which is the equivalent to solaris' "expect"? i want to write a script which changes a user's password with "passwd <user>". the script has to send the password characters twice to the "Password:" prompt... |
| 21:51.53 | rockstar_ | exim4-daemon-light |
| 21:52.03 | azeem | _gmak: there is backports.org, but no gnome backports are available I think |
| 21:52.06 | azeem | not sure about KDE |
| 21:52.07 | jelly-home | dennis: expect ;-) |
| 21:52.45 | dennis | jelly-home: if expect is not available...? :=) |
| 21:52.46 | _gmak | azeem: i want to get rid of the current FC5 installation the packages available for debian are endless |
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| 21:53.02 | infernix | etc/printcap seems OK. i added lp to the deskjet line as a default, lemme try now |
| 21:53.07 | _gmak | azeem: right now i am puzzled on whether i should go debian or go to ubuntu |
| 21:53.19 | jelly-home | dennis: then you have a broken apt setup, it should be available. |
| 21:53.36 | dennis | jelly-home: ...if i don't want to use expect? |
| 21:53.55 | asasas | dvd writing message looks ok but disk is blank |
| 21:53.58 | asasas | http://pastebin.ca/136769 |
| 21:54.17 | asasas | could someone please check that |
| 21:54.45 | StDogbert | is there a reason why when i did "apt-get dist-upgrade" on my 2.4.27 it did not upgrade my kernel to 2.6 |
| 21:54.48 | jelly-home | dennis: if all you really want is change a user's password, you could use usermod -p maybe |
| 21:55.12 | dennis | jelly-home: the problem is that i have to administrate solaris, linux and bsd machines and want a script which works an all servers. and some don't have expect |
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| 21:55.27 | jelly-home | dennis: Debian has expect. |
| 21:55.28 | Marupa | what was the nvidia oneliner? x.x I forgot it. |
| 21:55.31 | Guerin | dennis: i'd expect them all to have it |
| 21:55.41 | Guerin | Marupa: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 21:55.55 | Marupa | thanks |
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| 21:57.31 | asasas | dvd writing message looks ok but disk is blank |
| 21:57.31 | asasas | could someone please check that |
| 21:57.51 | asasas | http://pastebin.ca/136769 |
| 21:57.52 | fasta | Is "Hypertext Help with LaTeX" packaged for Debian? |
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| 21:59.13 | fasta | Lots of websites offer it: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ I already found a website which lets me install it locally, but I would like to know whether it's packaged. |
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| 21:59.56 | fasta | Never mind. I helped myself. |
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| 22:03.51 | timday | Anyone know why there's no nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.16 ? (But there is an nvidia-kernel-2.6.16 ?) |
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| 22:05.56 | bbeltmobile | hey does anybody know how to fix my sources.list?? |
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| 22:06.26 | abrotman | we'd need to see it in order to fix it |
| 22:06.29 | bbeltmobile | i think i made amistake when installing and i selected cdrom instead of network... now i got a sources.list with it looking for a cdrom |
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| 22:06.31 | bbeltmobile | ok |
| 22:06.35 | bbeltmobile | i can do a paste bin. |
| 22:06.45 | Guerin | bbeltmobile: run apt-setup |
| 22:06.50 | acesuares | hi y'all. |
| 22:08.01 | bbeltmobile | ok |
| 22:08.01 | bbeltmobile | duh |
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| 22:08.34 | k-man | how can i watch the progress of apache2.2 into testing? |
| 22:08.59 | Malagmyr | When the mouse on my laptop is continually jumping down to the bottom left corner of the screen, what am I doing wrong? It jumps down there like 10 times a second. Can't do anything! |
| 22:09.02 | stew | k-man: subscribe on http://packages.qa.debian.org/apache2 |
| 22:09.04 | bbeltmobile | thanks |
| 22:09.24 | k-man | ah, thanks |
| 22:09.27 | _gmak | is debian testing safe enough to use? |
| 22:09.56 | _gmak | the stable branch is like outdated - o - rama |
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| 22:10.12 | Guerin | Malagmyr: you probably have some fuckuppery with mouse modules. An internal laptop mouse should be psmouse |
| 22:10.37 | Guerin | _gmak: stable is ood if you want stability above all else. Testing can poccasionally fuck things up, but is mostly usable. |
| 22:10.48 | stew | _gmak: testing isn't appropriate if security a concern. like for an internet facing server unless you are ready to handle the security problems yourself. |
| 22:10.57 | mxFonseca | someone know how to update gnome menu without restart the gnome? |
| 22:11.00 | stew | _gmak: in which case stable + backports is better (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 22:11.14 | vap | _gmak: testing is like stable in distros like redhat or suse |
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| 22:11.46 | _gmak | hmm ok |
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| 22:12.16 | _gmak | vap's response is more like what I hope is reality in debian - testing |
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| 22:12.44 | [AGS]Serialkille | hi all |
| 22:12.48 | [AGS]Serialkille | how is everyone today? |
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| 22:15.11 | vap | _gmak: I use debian for over 7 years. All branches looks better than other distros. |
| 22:16.06 | acesuares | I have trouble with apache-ssl on sarge since a couple of weeks |
| 22:16.22 | acesuares | I am trying to attach strace, but that fails. It seems that attachinjg gdb fails too. |
| 22:16.34 | _gmak | man i switched from *BSDs to linux, but i aint getting it easy with the packages and their update cycles; it is either too new or too old these days |
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| 22:16.48 | acesuares | now why would strace fail ? it complains about operation not permitted and kills the child where it is attached |
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| 22:19.17 | acesuares | anyone on strace problems ? |
| 22:19.21 | psychonate | hmm, for some reason 'screen' isn't working in aterm |
| 22:19.26 | psychonate | gives no error message |
| 22:19.31 | psychonate | just doesn't start |
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| 22:20.58 | acesuares | pid 8361 stopped, [SIGSTOP] |
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| 22:21.36 | bws42 | I'm having an issue where my debian router's DSL connection will not automatically start on boot even though when prompted by pppoeconf we selected to start on boot, does anyone have any idea how to remedy? |
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| 22:22.23 | asasas | dvd writing message looks ok but disk is blank |
| 22:22.24 | asasas | could someone please check that |
| 22:22.26 | asasas | http://pastebin.ca/136769 |
| 22:22.52 | [AGS]Serialkille | i am running daemontools and i keep getting errors in readproctitle service errors, the application runs fine, but these erros still exist , how do i get rid of them? |
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| 22:23.32 | xsappyx | bws42: just a normal nic into a dsl modem? what do you normally do to bring it up? ifup eth1 or something of the sort? |
| 22:23.32 | bws42 | xsappyx yes a normal nic, to bring it up I do `pon dsl-provider` as root |
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| 22:23.48 | sbarn | hello, does anyone know how to make like the uw-imapd daemon and/or sendmail operate off of imap.mysite.com and smtp.mysite.com instead of just mysite.com? |
| 22:23.49 | bws42 | before the harddrive died it would start on boot, but after we reinstalled it won't seem to anymore |
| 22:25.03 | peder_ | telnet: could not resolve localhost/143: Name or service not known <- How do I solve that? |
| 22:25.23 | bws42 | peder_ you're supplying the hostname/port wrong |
| 22:25.33 | bws42 | telnet localhost 143 |
| 22:25.38 | bws42 | not telnet localhost:143 |
| 22:25.40 | peder_ | well, it cant resolve 'localhost' |
| 22:26.00 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:26.08 | jelly-home | peder_: add it to /etc/hosts -> 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 22:26.10 | basbryan | peder_: /etc/hosts??? |
| 22:26.23 | beardy | It's already there. |
| 22:26.23 | xsappyx | bws42: possibly missing and/or not executable /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot ? |
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| 22:26.44 | bws42 | xsappyx I was just going to mention that I've seen that file mentioned, but no it is _not_ present |
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| 22:27.07 | jelly-home | beardy, peder_: well then, resolver is broken or configured not to use local hosts file. |
| 22:28.06 | beardy | jelly-home: Probably. |
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| 22:28.06 | fourat | is there any 'GUI' application that is like Cain sniffer on windows ? |
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| 22:28.06 | bytelock_ | telnet 127.0.0.1 143 ftw |
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| 22:28.20 | peder_ | Added the localhost in /etc/hosts |
| 22:28.27 | jlaw | fourat, what is cain sniffer used for? |
| 22:28.55 | fourat | jlaw, http://www.oxid.it/cain.html |
| 22:29.25 | beardy | peder_: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 22:30.28 | jlaw | fourat, do you wanna use it for wlans? |
| 22:31.13 | fourat | jlaw, yes |
| 22:31.27 | bws42 | xsappyx any ideas? |
| 22:31.45 | jlaw | fourat, at the bottom of the page are a few usefull tools listed: http://www.housecallpcservices.com/BA/00000014.htm |
| 22:31.46 | sbarn | when was pine removed from debian's archives? |
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| 22:32.13 | beardy | sbarn: Has it been removed? |
| 22:32.31 | beardy | !tell sbarn -about pine |
| 22:32.36 | Ronin | sbarn: probibly quite a while ago, licensing issues if i recall |
| 22:32.36 | sbarn | beardy, I cant seem to find it, and I have nonfree and contrib added to my apt sources list |
| 22:32.36 | xsappyx | bws42: ya, just taking a look at the startup scripts and stuff on my box here |
| 22:32.49 | sbarn | well i dont understand why it couldnt jus stay in nonfree then |
| 22:32.57 | bws42 | xsappyx thanks |
| 22:33.21 | beardy | Ronin: Never been in other than as a source package AFAIK. |
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| 22:33.24 | dbe | How do I load the modules for a IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) for Sarge 3.1 during the installation? |
| 22:33.36 | jelly-home | sbarn: source is apparently still in non-free, apt-cache showsrc pine shows something here. |
| 22:33.45 | beardy | I already told him. |
| 22:33.47 | dbe | Debian does not detect the hdd. |
| 22:33.51 | jlaw | fourat, i hope that helps you |
| 22:34.17 | sbarn | i have a softspot for pine so i want to keep it :) |
| 22:34.33 | Caelum | mutt is better than pine anyway |
| 22:34.34 | sbarn | hmm dpkg says use apt-get -b source pine but it doesnt work |
| 22:34.38 | Ronin | sbarn: as an editor?try nano then |
| 22:34.44 | Ronin | oops damn it |
| 22:34.45 | bws42 | xsappyx I've got to go, but if you could just put anything you find here that'd be great and I'll try when I get back |
| 22:34.49 | Ronin | i meant pico, |
| 22:34.53 | Ronin | i give up today :) |
| 22:35.01 | sbarn | no pine the e-mail client |
| 22:35.02 | jelly-home | sbarn: so, you're pining for it? .... /me hides |
| 22:35.03 | xsappyx | bws42: kk, will do |
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| 22:35.26 | Caelum | dbe: they aren't automatically loaded? |
| 22:35.50 | dbe | Caelum, No, I'm on a Toshiba Sattelite M40X-316 |
| 22:36.00 | beardy | sbarn: Try the other one then. |
| 22:36.05 | Trewas | dbe: it's probably easiest to install etch directly, as sarge is probably too old to support that |
| 22:36.28 | dbe | Trewas, I want sarge. |
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| 22:36.34 | sbarn | beardy, what other one |
| 22:36.38 | jelly-home | sbarn: my mirror has it: Get:2 http://ftp.hr.debian.org testing/non-free pine 4.64-1 (tar) [4219kB] |
| 22:36.41 | beardy | dbe: Good. What is the problem? |
| 22:36.49 | beardy | sbarn: Read the factoid. |
| 22:37.04 | dbe | beardy, I want to load the modules for the hdd. |
| 22:37.06 | Trewas | dbe: umm, why? but I guess you can create a installer with newer kernel that supports your hardware |
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| 22:37.32 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:37.32 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
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| 22:37.35 | dbe | Trewas, It use Linux 2.6. |
| 22:37.46 | jlaw | dbe, you never need modules for a hdd, maybe you need some for a controller |
| 22:37.49 | sbarn | beardy, i did and the command it gave me for pine doesnt work..dont know y it doesnt find it anymore |
| 22:38.00 | dbe | jlaw, SATA controller. |
| 22:38.10 | beardy | sbarn: You only complained that one of them didn't work. |
| 22:38.38 | sbarn | beardy, pine and pine 4. i want pine so im not trying the alternatives..neither of thsoe commands work |
| 22:38.42 | jlaw | dbe, have you chekced if the caontroller shoudl be supported? |
| 22:39.17 | beardy | sbarn: 'apt-get -b source pine4' doesn't work? |
| 22:39.47 | sbarn | beardy, E: Unable to find a source package for pine4 |
| 22:39.48 | dbe | jlaw, It's not supported by default, and F6 does not give me any hint |
| 22:39.55 | vap | _gmak: you can try old debian way: dselect; or a new one - aptitude. But a most simple way: read info about updates - apt-get udate; try to update the system - apt-get upgrade |
| 22:39.58 | beardy | sbarn: Ok. |
| 22:40.14 | sbarn | it could be my mirror perhaps |
| 22:40.23 | jlaw | dbe, that comes in very unhandy^^ |
| 22:40.42 | beardy | sbarn: Well, do you have source added in your sources.list? |
| 22:41.20 | _gmak | vap: yeah so i have read |
| 22:41.20 | sbarn | o geez..im dumb. forgot to add nonfree and contrib to the source url |
| 22:41.23 | dbe | jlaw, I guess that the fastest way to load the SATA modules is to download them to an external device, mount it and load them. |
| 22:41.26 | _gmak | thanks vap |
| 22:41.28 | Trewas | dbe: if it does not work by default with sarge default install cd then there is no way short of finding/making an upgraded install-cd to install, and it's not exactly surprising sarge installer doesn't work with new hardware |
| 22:41.31 | dbe | jlaw, I have never done this before. |
| 22:41.32 | jlaw | dbe, one thing you may try is to install debian on a supportet external device, compile akernel that supports your controller and move it to the laptops hd |
| 22:41.37 | _gmak | any screenies of debian desktops? |
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| 22:42.00 | beardy | _gmak: Yes, thry the interweb. |
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| 22:42.31 | erin | i got it peeps |
| 22:42.32 | erin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.34 | erin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.35 | jlaw | _gmak: http://www.directupload.net/show/d/792/xh2lZ4rg.png |
| 22:42.39 | erin | sorry for the swear |
| 22:42.57 | dbe | jlaw, I vote for testing for laptops from now on. |
| 22:43.02 | fourat | jlaw, thanks for help |
| 22:43.16 | jlaw | fourat, you're welcome |
| 22:43.28 | erin | ty so much |
| 22:43.29 | _gmak | ha ha jlaw |
| 22:43.56 | fourat | jlaw, wasnt what i looked for, but it's a good article on cracking wep keys |
| 22:44.12 | dbe | jlaw, Did you mean that I was suppose to copy the whole / to the laptop? |
| 22:44.22 | jlaw | dbe, if you plan to run linux on a laptop you should read before ... for example linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org |
| 22:44.34 | dbe | jlaw, Ok. |
| 22:44.48 | jlaw | dbe, yes, the whole / |
| 22:44.54 | dbe | jlaw, Thanks. |
| 22:45.18 | jlaw | dbe, not for that |
| 22:45.41 | jlaw | dbe, but be warned ... compiling additional stuff into the kernel is real ugly stuff |
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| 22:46.33 | dbe | jlaw, I will try out etch instead. |
| 22:46.38 | jlaw | dbe, wait a few month and there will be precompiled kernels supporting your sata controller |
| 22:47.03 | jlaw | dbe, that's worth a try ... current etch is running 2.6.17.x |
| 22:47.06 | erin | how do i turn on auto completion for apt-get ? |
| 22:47.16 | dbe | jlaw, I need to load the SATA controller before I edit the partition table during the installation. |
| 22:47.30 | jelly-home | dbe: I'd boot from a livecd then do a debootstrap installation + add a working kernel (perhaps the same one from the livecd). |
| 22:48.03 | erin | any ideas? |
| 22:48.42 | sbarn | erin, does that even exist? thatd be interesting |
| 22:49.09 | jelly-home | It would be nice if it were easier to replace the kernel in the installer though. |
| 22:49.28 | erin | it does, i saw it in mepis, and i wanted to install it in debian.. |
| 22:49.38 | erin | it was awesome |
| 22:49.52 | stew | erin: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 22:49.58 | erin | ok |
| 22:49.59 | erin | ty |
| 22:50.08 | jlaw | dbe, jelly-home ... building an own install-cd was anothoer option !-) |
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| 22:50.36 | stew | erin: look at your .bashrc you probably have a few "bash_completion" lines in there you could uncomment |
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| 22:55.00 | erin | thanks peeps u been a big help |
| 22:55.10 | erin | long live Debian! |
| 22:57.34 | poonj | hey guys |
| 22:57.38 | jlaw | !tell me -about stupidity |
| 22:57.51 | poonj | how do I remove the bash_history so it doesn't save my history? |
| 22:58.13 | fourat | how to check if am being sniffed, using arp poisoning, is there any app wich will detect any arp table infection ? |
| 22:58.50 | jlaw | fourat, you may push your nic to promiscious mode and use ethereal to check |
| 22:59.09 | DerJamster | If something's yelling out arp replies non stop, somebody's trying to poison the arp cache |
| 22:59.11 | fourat | jlaw, how to push that ? |
| 22:59.14 | jlaw | fourat, but i think there are more comfortable ways |
| 22:59.20 | DerJamster | another way is to send out an arp request and see if you get two different replies |
| 22:59.53 | fourat | no i need an 'automated' thing |
| 23:00.00 | jlaw | fourat ... loooong time passed since i did that. there are tools able to do that. but don't ask me. |
| 23:00.01 | fourat | something to protect a server |
| 23:00.11 | fourat | i cant check for arp table manualy |
| 23:00.53 | fourat | jlaw, i was thinking about a bash script that will do string operations to detect if arp table is poisoned |
| 23:01.06 | fourat | do u see another confortable way |
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| 23:02.56 | jlaw | fourat ... i think if i had a need for such a special task i would write myself a daemon in c++ doing that |
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| 23:03.35 | fourat | ok that's what am going to do |
| 23:03.45 | fourat | but the way to detect sniffing is ? |
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| 23:04.34 | usr13 | Is OpenOffice 2.0.3 in the repositories yet? |
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| 23:05.55 | jlaw | fourat, you have to find out how to set your nic to promiscious mode and then parse the incoming frames for arp-headers |
| 23:06.30 | Bushmills | usr13: openoffice.org 2.0.3-5 |
| 23:06.40 | epsilon | stable uses 1.1.3 |
| 23:06.57 | jlaw | fourat ... there are apis giving you filter options so you may decrease the data input ... you may try out pcap |
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| 23:07.55 | sid | https://sourceforge.net/projects/ffpreloader/ .. is there an application like this for GNU / Linux like there is for windows? |
| 23:07.57 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.09 | sid | I just want the firefox binary to be resident in memory all the time. So when I go to start it, it starts real fast. |
| 23:08.19 | usr13 | or: apt-cache --list *openoffice* |
| 23:08.20 | usr13 | ? |
| 23:08.24 | Malagmyr | How can I force the use of apm instead of acpi? |
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| 23:09.05 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 23:09.11 | sid | Malagmyr: apt-get remove --purge acpid; apt-get install apmd;? |
| 23:09.18 | grendal_prime | anyone ever run into this while trying to mount a share on xp |
| 23:09.20 | grendal_prime | tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 23:09.38 | Caelum | Malagmyr: boot with "noacpi" I think |
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| 23:09.40 | sid | grendal_prime: What file system? |
| 23:09.44 | grendal_prime | i have everyone set on the share |
| 23:09.46 | mesc | hi |
| 23:09.52 | grendal_prime | ntfs |
| 23:09.59 | sid | !greet mesc |
| 23:10.00 | dpkg | Wassup, mesc |
| 23:10.14 | grendal_prime | the werid part is...i have smb4k set up on this box and it works fine |
| 23:10.17 | Bushmills | usr13, sarge? etch? sid? |
| 23:10.43 | grendal_prime | i want to mount that share from aonther machine that has not desktop on it..im sending partion image to it. |
| 23:11.01 | grendal_prime | but i cant mount it with smbmount |
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| 23:11.13 | grendal_prime | smb4k mounts it some other way? |
| 23:11.25 | mesc | i have now a intel 820 d processor and i don't know which debian-port to use |
| 23:12.04 | usr13 | He's telling me: Tempory failure resolving security.debain.org |
| 23:12.28 | jlaw | usr13, just "apt-get install openoffice" when using etch it will install version2, otherwise 1 |
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| 23:13.41 | usr13 | how can he tell his version? |
| 23:13.44 | jlaw | usr13, security.debian.org is working fine for me right now. have you/he just installed a current version of debian etch? |
| 23:13.52 | usr13 | cat /etc/version ??? |
| 23:14.23 | jlaw | usr13, let him have a look into /etc/apt/sources.list so we know the version and mirrors |
| 23:14.57 | jlaw | usr13, ie "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 23:16.53 | grendal_prime | !mount.cif |
| 23:17.45 | grendal_prime | no more dpkg? |
| 23:17.58 | stew | !hi |
| 23:17.58 | jlaw | !slap grendal_prime |
| 23:17.58 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 23:18.13 | jlaw | grendal_prime, dpkg still works !-) |
| 23:18.15 | stew | Flash_: owner |
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| 23:20.19 | vman | buenas |
| 23:20.24 | vman | soy nuevo en debian |
| 23:20.30 | blackelf | the bugs which I report to DBS, are reported automaticly to upstream? |
| 23:20.55 | jlaw | !es |
| 23:20.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:21.18 | usr13 | what is the comand to update apt-get's sources?> |
| 23:21.32 | usr13 | To add repositories? |
| 23:21.33 | jlaw | usr13 "apt-get update" |
| 23:21.37 | blackelf | usr13: apt-get upgrade |
| 23:21.44 | blackelf | erm |
| 23:21.48 | blackelf | of course update |
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| 23:22.22 | usr13 | He has "sarge main" |
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| 23:23.11 | jlaw | usr13, then "apt-get install openoffice" will install openoffice.org 1.x |
| 23:23.34 | usr13 | Well, I'd like him to get 2.0.3 |
| 23:23.47 | usr13 | if at all possible. |
| 23:24.03 | stew | usr13: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:24.06 | blackelf | perhaps backport? |
| 23:24.06 | jlaw | usr13, you may try "apt-get upgrade | apt-get install openoffice --fix-missing" when you#re encountering problems |
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| 23:24.23 | stew | jlaw: you mean openoffice.org not openoffice |
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| 23:24.38 | jlaw | stew ... maybe^^ |
| 23:25.17 | jlaw | indeed ... i mean openoffice.org ^^ |
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| 23:25.58 | magyar | hi |
| 23:26.12 | blackelf | can backport be used to have open offixe 2 in debian stable? |
| 23:26.22 | stew | blackelf: yes |
| 23:26.27 | magyar | how can i mount md devices under busybox? |
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| 23:27.24 | liable | magyar: i think you would have to mount both drives, chroot to one, and start mdadm manually |
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| 23:27.44 | liable | magyar: guess, never had to do it, but busybox certainly doesnt have mdadm |
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| 23:27.51 | blackelf | rhw cups are broke in debian testing. how can I install stable's verion? I need to print something *now* |
| 23:28.23 | magyar | liable, currently on etch, busybox mountd /dev/md1 (root) but it's empty |
| 23:28.26 | usr13 | how do you restart the network? |
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| 23:28.43 | liable | magyar: well blow me down! |
| 23:28.49 | usr13 | what is the command to re-start the network? |
| 23:28.56 | magyar | liable, how about downloading an etch cd with "rescue" on it? |
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| 23:29.06 | usr13 | dhclient ? |
| 23:29.10 | blackelf | "Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: host not found." in testing's CUPS |
| 23:29.19 | gord | where can I find a list of SATA hardware RAID devices supported by d-i? |
| 23:29.28 | magyar | liable, :) nice, but it wont mount anything else |
| 23:29.31 | jlaw | usr13 "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 23:29.46 | liable | magyar: i have it, i dont have a monitor that i can play with on my box with raid |
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| 23:29.57 | zimm2 | hi all, does anyone know if/when the nvidia-kernel-legacy packages are going to be updated to match the latest kernels available in etch, currently the latest nvid-legacy package is for 2.6.15-1, and my kernel is a 2.6.16-2-k7, using the nvidia installer wont work either because of a gcc mismatch .. 4.1/4.0 :( |
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| 23:30.15 | blackelf | anyone have working CUPSYS in debian testing here? |
| 23:30.29 | jlaw | zimm2, it already does if you know how to tweak it !-) |
| 23:30.31 | magyar | liable, i have a etch install cd, but it's without rescue more |
| 23:30.36 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:30.43 | zimm2 | jlaw, do tell my friend .. |
| 23:30.46 | liable | magyar: you sure? |
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| 23:30.51 | blackelf | ok anyone have CUPS at all? |
| 23:30.54 | magyar | liable, positive |
| 23:31.09 | liable | blackelf: is cupssysd running? |
| 23:31.13 | magyar | liable, no F4 nor "mount file system" |
| 23:31.26 | Blissex | blackelf: that is a very bad question to ask... Also consider #CUPS |
| 23:31.32 | blackelf | liable: yes |
| 23:31.35 | zimm2 | blackelf, i have it working in etch, but afraid i wont be much help, it all worked out of the box for me and i know nothing about it .. sorry, but at least you know it "should work" now ... |
| 23:31.47 | blackelf | it worked for me on older testing |
| 23:31.50 | jlaw | zimm2: you have to download your kernel source, compile it with your current config and have to use the --kerbel-source-path and --x-module-path tweaks of the nvidia installer |
| 23:31.54 | blackelf | now on two boxes it do not work at all |
| 23:32.26 | jlaw | zimm2, of course you have to give the right pathes !-) |
| 23:32.49 | zimm2 | jlaw, hmm ... seems like hard work to me .. |
| 23:33.05 | Malagmyr | How can I prevent modprobe from trying to load rtc.ko and floppy.ko during boot? Both fail, and I don't think I want rtc and I definately don't want floppy (which I don't have) |
| 23:33.26 | liable | Malagmyr: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 23:33.30 | Blissex | Malagmyr: look in '/etc/modules' |
| 23:33.37 | usr13 | tnx all. will be back later |
| 23:33.49 | zimm2 | jlaw, besides im pretty sure i tried that route, and it borked on the gcc mismatch .. then i got it to build, but it wouldnt modprobe .. |
| 23:34.05 | jlaw | zimm2, not really. you can download your kernel source via apt-get ... the config is /boot/config-%kernel-version% |
| 23:34.12 | Malagmyr | I love you guys :) |
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| 23:34.55 | jlaw | zimm2, i told you you have to compile it !-) i mean the kernel |
| 23:35.30 | zimm2 | ahh , k , sorry .. tired .. |
| 23:35.50 | jlaw | zimm2, you can use your xurrent kernel, you just have to compile the same version with the current config ... but if you've done that you can also install the recompiled |
| 23:36.09 | jlaw | zimm2, you know how to compile the kernel? |
| 23:36.19 | zimm2 | lol, yeh .. just being lazy .. |
| 23:36.58 | jlaw | zimm2, k ... just load the current config from /boot/config-%kernel-version% |
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| 23:38.23 | jlaw | zimm2, you'll have to give the kernel-source-paht (/usr/src/linux-%kernel-version%) and if you're using xorg 6.9 or higher the x-module-path |
| 23:38.26 | TTimo | lo |
| 23:38.42 | TTimo | hey .. if I have an URL like so: http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.0.3/amd64 |
| 23:38.42 | TTimo | what kind of line should I put in sources.list to get it working in apt ? |
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| 23:39.49 | blackelf | hmm |
| 23:39.52 | zimm2 | jlaw, thanks for the advice man, but tbh this box is so slow running opengl is utterly pointless.. and ultimatley not worth the hassle.. it'd be easier to downgrade my kernel to the 2.6.15 :) |
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| 23:40.44 | zimm2 | blackelf, cups working here with freshly updated testing.. sorry this doesnt help but it confirms it isnt broken .. |
| 23:40.46 | jlaw | zimm2, you may use the kernelconfig in /boot/ to compile the kernel and the nvidia-module on a faster machine |
| 23:40.47 | stoned | deb http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.0.3/amd64 ./ |
| 23:40.55 | stoned | TTimo, ^^ |
| 23:40.56 | TTimo | thks |
| 23:41.37 | magyar | is there any documentation on how to mount md devices when all one gets is a busybox? |
| 23:42.11 | zimm2 | jlaw, true, but the box is too slow to run any decent opengl apps anyway .. i'd install it if it wasnt hassle.. just to see how it copes with the transparency in kde .. and eye candy just isnt worth the effort imho |
| 23:43.07 | ugly | when I open the lid on my dell laptop, the display doesn't come back on - what's causing this? |
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| 23:43.35 | ugly | everything else is operational - I can ssh in |
| 23:44.03 | liable | ugly: can you change to vt1? |
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| 23:44.32 | ugly | liable: no |
| 23:44.41 | jlaw | zimm2, then just use the vesa framebuffer device |
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| 23:45.32 | liable | ugly: check linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil, you prolly need to unload you graphics card module at suspend, or it may just be broken |
| 23:45.38 | liable | (the driver) |
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| 23:45.57 | ugly | ok |
| 23:46.09 | zimm2 | jlaw, am doing :) |
| 23:46.48 | zimm2 | jesus... my usb hub just crashed my USB drive completely .. |
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| 23:46.54 | Presently42 | Using apt-spy -d unstable -s ca I'm getting a lot of errors: Error: RETR response: 550 for ftp for almost all of them whilst http varies: Error: The requested URL returned error: 404 or Error: Couldn't resolve host. Why is this? |
| 23:46.56 | jlaw | zimm2, i thought so, just wanted to mention to suggest some intelligence !-) |
| 23:47.17 | zimm2 | no worries , intelligence assured by earlier posts :) |
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| 23:48.01 | jlaw | zimm2, now i#m becalmed^^ |
| 23:48.14 | zimm2 | heh |
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| 23:48.57 | Satanas666 | hi everybody |
| 23:49.04 | dvs | Hi, Dr. Nick |
| 23:49.08 | sid | !greet SaneEnglishMonk |
| 23:49.09 | dpkg | Tag, SaneEnglishMonk |
| 23:49.11 | Satanas666 | i need to know how to rename a pen drive |
| 23:49.14 | NoPlan | When I use a vga=xxx mode in Grub, the text is all garbled up unreadable during bootup until the "setting up console font ... done" stanza. Is there a way to select a console font for GRUB? |
| 23:49.16 | sid | heh |
| 23:49.17 | sid | :( |
| 23:49.54 | jlaw | NoPlan, have you compiled the kernel yourself? |
| 23:50.23 | jlaw | NoPlan, i remember some proplems with compiled in fonts |
| 23:50.34 | NoPlan | jlaw: Yep, I just compiled a vanilla 2.6.17.8 kernel, but I took care to select the appropriate drivers for VGA console ... |
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| 23:50.50 | dvs | NoPlan: But did you select the fonts? |
| 23:51.09 | jlaw | NoPlan, may you paste your config to pastebin? |
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| 23:51.20 | NoPlan | dvs: Well, I tried both. With or without compiling fonts. |
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| 23:52.02 | NoPlan | jlaw, dvs: Hang on, I'll post my config to pastebin ... errm, what config btw? Grub or the kernel one? Or both? |
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| 23:52.13 | dvs | NoPlan: kernel |
| 23:52.24 | NoPlan | dvs: ok, hang on pls. |
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| 23:52.28 | jlaw | NoPlan "/boot/config-2.6.17.8" |
| 23:52.45 | section31 | Rsync just screwed up all my file permissions...whats the easiest way to chmod recusrively a particular file extension |
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| 23:53.43 | Satanas666 | anyone know how to rename a pen drive? |
| 23:54.17 | erichapkido | What do I put in my apache configuration to allow cgi scripts to execute? |
| 23:54.19 | magyar | where can i download etch installers? |
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| 23:54.32 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.47 | NoPlan | dvs: Errm, is there a way to upload a file to pastebin? |
| 23:54.54 | jlaw | erichapkido, apache or apache2? |
| 23:54.54 | magyar | odla, been there, no images |
| 23:54.57 | dvs | NoPlan: pasebin.ca |
| 23:55.04 | dvs | pastebin.ca |
| 23:55.06 | erichapkido | jlaw: apache2 |
| 23:55.13 | odla | magyar: they are there have you looked? |
| 23:55.23 | jlaw | erichapkido, look into the default config |
| 23:55.25 | beto | High friends, I just installed Debian etch on the machines of a lab, and the gdm don't reload X when I kill the session using ctrl alt backspace. This error just occur on gnome when I'm using Kde it does not happen. Any one know what I do to solve this? I Appreciate any help. |
| 23:55.26 | magyar | odla, yes i did |
| 23:55.42 | odla | magyar: have you looked on the side where it says 'Get Debian' |
| 23:55.46 | erichapkido | magyar: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:56.27 | jlaw | erichapkido "/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default" |
| 23:56.34 | erichapkido | jlaw: i have +ExecCGI as an option but it doesnt do anything |
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| 23:56.42 | erichapkido | jlaw: it just downloads the script |
| 23:57.00 | NoPlan | dvs: http://pastebin.ca/136878 |
| 23:57.03 | nutshell42 | hi, is samba in unstable currently fscked? I suddenly get an "ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)" when I try to mount a share; konqueror smb:/ and windows explorer both show the share but give an error (doesn't exist, invalid, something like that) when I try to access it |
| 23:57.15 | jlaw | erichapkido, dunno ... works fine for me as it is in 000-default |
| 23:57.24 | erichapkido | jlaw: mines just default |
| 23:57.31 | Presently42 | Any ideas why this should be the case? |
| 23:57.59 | jlaw | erichapkido, hrm ... i'm using etch-packages, maybe something has changed |
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| 23:58.13 | erichapkido | jlaw: im on etch also |
| 23:58.26 | dvs | NoPlan: you only have one font selected |
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| 23:58.40 | NoPlan | dvs: Yes. I also tried it without any fonts. |
| 23:58.47 | NoPlan | dvs: Do I need more fonts? |
| 23:59.04 | dvs | NoPlan: I'd select 8x8, 8x16, 6x11, and 7x14 |
| 23:59.18 | NoPlan | dvs: ok, I'll just select all :) |
| 23:59.34 | dvs | NoPlan: it's your memory |
| 23:59.43 | NoPlan | dvs: I have plenty. |
| 23:59.46 | jlaw | dvs ... he'd selected config_fonts ... that should serve his needs, but i'll have alook at my config |
