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| 00:00.24 | Mitar | is there something like this for Debian: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/cmd/bdiff/bdiff.c |
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| 00:01.25 | Vasistha | mmiikkee12: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 00:01.29 | dondelelcaro | 1/away |
| 00:01.35 | dondelelcaro | Mitar: what about it? |
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| 00:01.47 | knoth | Someone could tell me which directory i can find "httpd.conf", of Apache, on Debian? |
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| 00:01.58 | Mitar | i would like big file diff program |
| 00:01.58 | dondelelcaro | knoth: /etc/apache or /etc/apache2/ depending on what you're doing. |
| 00:02.06 | Mitar | normal diff does not hande 1 GB files on my system |
| 00:02.30 | dondelelcaro | Mitar: dare I ask why you're running diff on 1 gb files? |
| 00:02.46 | Mitar | :-) |
| 00:03.00 | knoth | dondelelcaro: tks =) |
| 00:03.02 | Mitar | because i have to find differences between a 1 GB big file |
| 00:03.13 | Mitar | and a file which was processed with some script |
| 00:03.15 | dondelelcaro | Mitar: whether there are differences or something else? |
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| 00:03.26 | Mitar | which are those if there are any |
| 00:03.35 | Mitar | few lines before and after would also be nice |
| 00:03.42 | Mitar | like -U 5 |
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| 00:04.16 | dondelelcaro | Mitar: and you've tried with --speed-large-files ? |
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| 00:04.44 | ry1 | in order to use patch to patch a program, do I have to run the patch from the program's dir? |
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| 00:04.48 | dondelelcaro | ry1: no |
| 00:04.49 | Mitar | yes ... this would only do the speedup |
| 00:04.57 | Mitar | but it still gets of memory |
| 00:05.33 | dondelelcaro | diff shouldn't need that much memory unless there are oodles of differences between the files, or these files are binary files with no newlines. |
| 00:05.41 | mutante_ | "rdiff - Binary diff tool for signature-based differences" |
| 00:05.58 | Mitar | no, there are text files with probably only a few minor differences |
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| 00:07.43 | inlinefour | hello |
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| 00:08.15 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: it's not |
| 00:08.27 | ry1 | does anyone know if there's anything wrong with the madwifi packet injection patch? |
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| 00:08.48 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: did you check whether or not your entry matches what the card says? |
| 00:09.10 | raf256 | is sshd fucked up in testing? |
| 00:09.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: pretty sure it does: BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="USB SD Reader ", NAME{all_partitions}="card_sd" |
| 00:09.24 | CHodapp | raf256, fucked up how? |
| 00:09.35 | raf256 | and why they keep braking things, first CUPS now this.. they do not check at all things before uploading to testing repo? |
| 00:09.41 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: xxd says: 0000000: 5553 4220 5344 2052 6561 6465 7220 2020 USB SD Reader |
| 00:09.43 | inlinefour | what's the latest apache for debian? |
| 00:09.47 | raf256 | CHodapp: Aug 19 02:02:53 lore sshd[24292]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 00:09.48 | inlinefour | i can only apt-get 1.3 |
| 00:09.49 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: and a 0a of course |
| 00:10.31 | knoth | where i can find HTDOCS directory, from apache, on debian? |
| 00:10.43 | SerajewelKS | knoth: /var/www |
| 00:10.53 | knoth | serajewelKS: tks =) |
| 00:11.00 | SerajewelKS | knoth: np |
| 00:11.14 | raf256 | no, wait |
| 00:11.21 | raf256 | I messed up. Somehow sshd started as non root |
| 00:11.25 | raf256 | !smite me |
| 00:11.43 | inlinefour | what's the latest apache for debian? |
| 00:12.04 | finn23 | depends if you're stable, testing or unstable I guess |
| 00:12.05 | raf256 | Runnig Bear |
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| 00:12.19 | inlinefour | well, i can only apt-get 1.3 |
| 00:12.29 | finn23 | apt-cache show apache inlinefour |
| 00:12.29 | raf256 | inlinefour: get apache2 |
| 00:12.30 | inlinefour | apache.org shows the latest is 2.2 |
| 00:12.31 | inlinefour | =\ |
| 00:12.39 | inlinefour | LOL |
| 00:12.45 | inlinefour | apt-get install apache2? |
| 00:12.48 | raf256 | yea |
| 00:12.49 | bws42 | yeah |
| 00:12.51 | inlinefour | ahaha |
| 00:12.52 | inlinefour | thanks |
| 00:12.55 | raf256 | perhaps we should rename apache to apache1 |
| 00:12.57 | raf256 | or 1x |
| 00:13.01 | relis87 | Hey, I have a question for y'all, if I install stable (xfree86), and etch turns to stable, will I be able to upgrade some packages inculding gnome without upgrading to X.org and keeping xfree???... |
| 00:13.16 | inlinefour | what's the aptget uninstall again? |
| 00:13.21 | inlinefour | apt-get uninstall? |
| 00:13.22 | bws42 | apt-get remove |
| 00:13.26 | inlinefour | ah thanks |
| 00:13.31 | bws42 | apt-get --purge remove to nuke the config files |
| 00:13.41 | inlinefour | purge after remove? |
| 00:13.44 | relis87 | Anyone can answre my question please?? |
| 00:13.48 | relis87 | answer* |
| 00:13.49 | inlinefour | or does purging also remove |
| 00:13.58 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: and what does udevinfo -q all -n /dev/foo; report? |
| 00:14.01 | bws42 | apt-get --purge remove <packagename> |
| 00:14.09 | bws42 | purge is an option, remove is the command |
| 00:14.10 | inlinefour | oh thanks |
| 00:14.14 | relis87 | no one? :S |
| 00:14.19 | Gnea | relis87: not sure, but IIRC, debian policy is that xfree86 will be removed by the end of the year, due to the licensing issues. |
| 00:14.27 | relis87 | well damnit |
| 00:14.30 | bws42 | it's not free? :P |
| 00:14.30 | Gnea | relis87: bah, have some patience ;) |
| 00:14.33 | relis87 | nothing works for meh on xorg |
| 00:14.41 | relis87 | I tried for weeks |
| 00:14.44 | Gnea | relis87: have you gone through the checklist? |
| 00:14.47 | relis87 | yes |
| 00:14.51 | dendrite | relis87: The question amounts to whether xserver-xfree86 is in etch, other than as a transitional package. |
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| 00:14.56 | Gnea | which checklist did you go through? |
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| 00:15.16 | dendrite | relis87: And I don't think it is... |
| 00:15.18 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: it won't be removed; we haven't ever released a version of X with the bad license. |
| 00:15.37 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: ah ok, thanks |
| 00:15.48 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: a lot, anything in particular? |
| 00:15.48 | relis87 | I completely configured all kinds of drivers, and it just doesnt run as well as xfree on my computer, I had nothing but issues, but xfree86 I never had one problem with |
| 00:15.54 | relis87 | So I was hoping to keep it |
| 00:16.01 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i do see E: ID_MODEL=USB_SD_Reader |
| 00:16.21 | Gnea | relis87: it shouldn't be a problem then, but again, which checklist did you go through? |
| 00:16.46 | relis87 | Gnea: the doing everything checklist, I was literally working on it 1-2 hours a day for about two weeks |
| 00:16.54 | relis87 | Gnea: I did literally everything |
| 00:17.00 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: and does it have as many trailing spaces as you've given it? |
| 00:17.06 | Gnea | relis87: was that a helpfile or a url? |
| 00:17.16 | relis87 | Gnea: Several URLs |
| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | (I assume that's what you were getting at with the hexdump -C output |
| 00:17.30 | Gnea | relis87: what this one of them.... |
| 00:17.32 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 00:17.32 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 00:17.40 | Gnea | relis87: that one ^^^ ? |
| 00:17.45 | relis87 | no |
| 00:17.51 | Gnea | ok, go through it |
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| 00:17.52 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: no, but it doesn't work without them either |
| 00:17.57 | relis87 | gnea; Ill explain my problem |
| 00:18.11 | Gnea | relis87: well read that url first, i'm willing to bet it's there with a solution already |
| 00:18.19 | relis87 | Gnea: My systems not 'lagging', but whenever I do stuff like move a window or open a menu; it lags |
| 00:18.26 | relis87 | Gnea: Everything moves around glitchy |
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| 00:18.44 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: does it want the underscores? |
| 00:18.46 | mmiikkee12 | ok, that's out of the way :) |
| 00:18.46 | Gnea | relis87: right, you've probably got some duplicate libs lying around |
| 00:19.05 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes. |
| 00:19.07 | relis87 | Gnea: It happened right after I installed... |
| 00:19.12 | mmiikkee12 | next task: how do i get rid of the debian submenu under applications? |
| 00:19.23 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it has to be exactly the same, otherwise it won't match |
| 00:19.26 | relis87 | Gnea: since I installed, yet sarge runs fine, so im thinking its the xfree/xorg move |
| 00:19.40 | relis87 | gnea: btw im having the problem with etch, yet sarge once again runs fine |
| 00:20.01 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="USB_SD_Reader", NAME{all_partitions}="card_sd" |
| 00:20.07 | Gnea | relis87: like i said, read through the url and double-check *everything* |
| 00:20.08 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: still no /dev/card_sd |
| 00:20.16 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if it has three trailing spaces, it needs to be "USB_SD_Reader " |
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| 00:20.35 | Gnea | relis87: it could be the existance of /usr/X11R6/ |
| 00:20.52 | userek | hi i've got a problem after upgrade (testing) ethereal command doens't exist anymore, does anyone else experience sme proble?(etherreal is installed) |
| 00:20.56 | relis87 | Gnea: here, ima boot in debian, please stay on :D |
| 00:21.11 | Gnea | relis87: no problem |
| 00:21.21 | userek | its freakin annoying cause i need it imidietly |
| 00:21.30 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: it doesn't with udevinfo |
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| 00:22.15 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: it says exactly E: ID_MODEL=USB_SD_Reader |
| 00:22.39 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: the "model" file in /sys says "USB SD Reader " |
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| 00:23.03 | dondelelcaro | hrm... it must e transliterating them in udev info then... |
| 00:23.57 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: regardless, which one do i use? i've tried every permutation and none work |
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| 00:24.23 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i do /etc/init.d/udev restart after each edit.. this should be enough, no? |
| 00:24.33 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: no, you have to actually remove and insert the device. |
| 00:26.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: yes i do that too |
| 00:26.10 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: after restarting udev |
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| 00:26.32 | cooner750 | Is it OK to select Desktop Enviroment and Web Server when installing Debian? |
| 00:26.51 | SerajewelKS | cooner750: no, your computer will explode! |
| 00:26.53 | dvs | cooner750: that doesn't make sense? It is a server or desktop machine? |
| 00:27.31 | cooner750 | dvs: The hard drive is dead in my server machine and I dont have the $$$ to buy a new one, so for now this machine (2.2Ghz Athlon XP, 512MB RAM) will be used as both a Desktop machine and a Web Server |
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| 00:27.46 | DustyDingo | hi |
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| 00:28.19 | DustyDingo | i have a problem with loading the module ipw3945 |
| 00:28.59 | DustyDingo | when i put the .ko module file into /lib/modules/... it is laoded anywhere |
| 00:29.15 | DustyDingo | doesn't matter if there is a "ipw3945" in /etc/modules |
| 00:29.21 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, that should be enough; it's what works here. |
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| 00:29.35 | stoned | could anyone possibly direct me to a debian package of a fairly simple to use gui application to make DVD format *.VOB files from any video format? I can't seem to find one anywhere, or on google |
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| 00:29.46 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: :< |
| 00:29.49 | stoned | if you know that is, would be helpful |
| 00:30.01 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: although, I don't use the {all_partitions} thing; [OPTIONS="all_partitions" makes more sense, since it's not obvious from the manpage that that's suppported] |
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| 00:32.16 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i can't get any to work |
| 00:32.37 | dondelelcaro | BUS=="scsi", SYSFS{model}=="00JB-00KFA0 ", SYSFS{vendor}=="WDC WD30", KERNEL=="sd?1", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="fwdrive300" FE, is what works here for one of my drives |
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| 00:32.43 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: no permutation of the extra spaces and underscores works |
| 00:32.49 | SerajewelKS | hmm, ==? |
| 00:33.01 | dvs | SerajewelKS: that's the new udev style |
| 00:33.03 | dondelelcaro | I don't change the device name, because that's useless |
| 00:33.06 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 00:33.10 | dvs | SerajewelKS: and it's now mandatory |
| 00:33.21 | SerajewelKS | that article should be updated =) |
| 00:33.33 | dvs | dondelelcaro: and it should be SYMLINK+= ;-) |
| 00:34.14 | dondelelcaro | dvs: that's what I'd use if I wanted to add a symlink; that's the only symlink I want. |
| 00:34.52 | SerajewelKS | where is this format documented? |
| 00:34.56 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: man udev |
| 00:35.10 | SerajewelKS | doh |
| 00:35.15 | dvs | SerajewelKS: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 00:35.50 | SerajewelKS | dvs: thanks |
| 00:35.58 | dvs | SerajewelKS: you're welcome |
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| 00:36.46 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 00:37.18 | SerajewelKS | i can actually use /dev/disk/by-id , i just need to flip on all_partitions |
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| 00:37.27 | inlinefour | hmm |
| 00:37.40 | inlinefour | is the latest stable php for debian, php4? |
| 00:38.17 | dondelelcaro | inlinefour: unless you get a backport, yes. |
| 00:38.28 | inlinefour | what's a backport? |
| 00:38.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell inlinefour -about backport |
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| 00:39.19 | SerajewelKS | argh |
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| 00:41.12 | Buchannon | I'm trying to send an email with php using Multipart/mixed. I'm using debian sarge as a server. When I send the email, it shows the multipart/mixed in the body rather than putting it in the header of the email |
| 00:41.14 | Buchannon | am I using the wrong MIM-version (1.0) or something? |
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| 00:42.26 | De_Mon | is serial ATA hot swappable? |
| 00:42.49 | dvs | I know eSATA is |
| 00:42.56 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: depends on the backplane and card |
| 00:42.59 | SerajewelKS | okay, so NAME= works |
| 00:43.11 | dvs | SerajewelKS: yeah, because that's assignment |
| 00:43.19 | SerajewelKS | but not OPTIONS+="all_partitions" |
| 00:43.40 | Buchannon | how can I tell what type of MIME I'm using? |
| 00:43.44 | SerajewelKS | erm |
| 00:43.50 | De_Mon | backplane? as in the drive and the card have to support it |
| 00:43.59 | SerajewelKS | dvs: it does, but not in /dev/disk/by-id |
| 00:44.11 | dvs | SerajewelKS: It's NAME{all_partitions}="..." |
| 00:44.31 | mmiikkee12 | how do i remove the "debian" menu from gnome? |
| 00:44.43 | De_Mon | update-menus |
| 00:44.45 | dvs | SerajewelKS: Oh. I see what you mean now. that must be new |
| 00:44.48 | SerajewelKS | dvs: i don't want to use NAME=. but OPTIONS+="all_partitions" gives me sdcard1 - sdcard15 |
| 00:44.51 | mmiikkee12 | oh, and the internal speaker driver too. |
| 00:44.57 | mmiikkee12 | getting on my nerves |
| 00:45.10 | SerajewelKS | dvs: but NOT /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Generic_USB_SD_Reader_9206051-part* |
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| 00:45.20 | mmiikkee12 | De_Mon, still there |
| 00:45.32 | De_Mon | yes... |
| 00:45.44 | mmiikkee12 | De_Mon, i want to completely get rid of it |
| 00:46.03 | De_Mon | have you even looked at update-menus ? |
| 00:46.10 | mmiikkee12 | De_Mon, nothing happened |
| 00:46.38 | De_Mon | mmiikkee12 did you change the menu files mentioned in the MAN PAGE ? |
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| 00:46.54 | mmiikkee12 | De_Mon, --remove gave me a warning and did nothing |
| 00:47.03 | SerajewelKS | dvs: which is confusing to me |
| 00:47.50 | De_Mon | mmiikkee12 I suggest you read the manpage througly |
| 00:48.19 | enouf | stoned : http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?DvdRippers perhaps |
| 00:48.42 | De_Mon | mmiikkee12 I would give you specifics, but frankly I don't know what they are, I'd have to look. but that's where you start |
| 00:48.54 | stoned | enouf, thanks, but it would help if you actually read the question first :) |
| 00:49.37 | stoned | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29587 I found one though |
| 00:49.39 | dvs | SerajewelKS: I wouldn't know how to make subdirectories like that |
| 00:49.40 | stoned | thanks anyway |
| 00:50.10 | SerajewelKS | dvs: it's made by udev |
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| 00:52.05 | mmiikkee12 | De_Mon, nothing to do with update-menus :P |
| 00:52.12 | mmiikkee12 | apt-get remove menu-xdg |
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| 00:53.56 | epsilon | I have a vmlinuz file under /boot, is there any way to find out the kernel version without booting it? |
| 00:54.52 | sid | epsilon: ls /boot? |
| 00:55.12 | sid | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 00:55.12 | sid | That is the name of my file. |
| 00:55.26 | dvs | hmmmm.... I wonder what version it is? |
| 00:55.35 | epsilon | it has no version number in it |
| 00:56.05 | epsilon | just /boot/vmlinuz-<nick of the guy built it> |
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| 00:58.35 | enouf | stoned: I did - but thought there may be 1 of those 4 or 5 would yield atleast some pointers - google this ' "Debian" DVD Author ' - I guess you have mpeg2s, xvid, divx, avi wrappers and such ? I know there are things in the unofficial.debian repo that enables divx decoding (and possiblt mpeg4 - not sure of encoding) |
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| 00:58.54 | Cooner750 | How can I install the Unrar utility? |
| 00:59.45 | karsten | Cooner750: IIRC non-free |
| 01:00.10 | Cooner750 | Anything I can use to exract this rar? |
| 01:00.16 | karsten | Cooner750: ... which is to say you can install unrar-free or unrar (non-free version). |
| 01:00.22 | karsten | Cooner750: unrar :-) |
| 01:00.26 | karsten | !non-free |
| 01:00.26 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 01:01.06 | karsten | Cooner750: Any other questions? |
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| 01:01.51 | cdd | what package do i need to install to get a fully function xorg in etch? i just installed laptop and server and not desktop because i don't want gnome |
| 01:01.54 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: non-free =~ s/or contrib, or/. See/ |
| 01:01.54 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 01:02.09 | dondelelcaro | cdd: xorg will do it |
| 01:02.19 | cdd | just aptitude install xorg? |
| 01:02.22 | dondelelcaro | cdd: yerp |
| 01:02.30 | cdd | dondelelcaro, thanks! |
| 01:02.37 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 01:03.38 | freeone3000 | Where should $JAVA_HOME be in Sid? |
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| 01:05.03 | sid | free-zombie: It depends on how you install java. |
| 01:05.07 | w0ls0n | when starting mysql on debian I am seeing |
| 01:05.19 | w0ls0n | WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz |
| 01:05.19 | w0ls0n | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 01:05.19 | w0ls0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.38 | w0ls0n | how do I get the binary back? |
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| 01:06.50 | freeone3000 | sid: DEB containing sun's java. |
| 01:07.13 | avr | w0ls0n, what does the syslog say ? |
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| 01:07.57 | ZataH | anyone how now, how i add extra IP`s to a debian dist ? |
| 01:08.15 | ZataH | I use it on my server |
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| 01:09.51 | sid | free-zombie: You installed java from debian's non-free repository? via apt-get install? |
| 01:10.02 | freeone3000 | sid: Yes. |
| 01:11.14 | sid | free-zombie: # export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.07 |
| 01:11.32 | w0ls0n | Aug 19 03:04:19 us1 /etc/init.d/mysql[4000]: 0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in |
| 01:11.33 | w0ls0n | Aug 19 03:04:19 us1 /etc/init.d/mysql[4000]: /etc/init.d/mysql: line 1: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: No such file or directory |
| 01:11.33 | w0ls0n | Aug 19 03:04:19 us1 /etc/init.d/mysql[4000]: |
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| 01:12.43 | avr | w0ls0n, install mysql-client |
| 01:12.53 | avr | w0ls0n, mysqladmin is part of that package. |
| 01:12.53 | w0ls0n | it is installed |
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| 01:13.08 | sid | cp /etc/profile /tmp/prof |
| 01:13.08 | sid | freeone3000; echo "PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_07/bin/" > /etc/profile; echo "JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.07" >> /etc/profile; cat /tmp/blah39 >> /etc/profile; rm -f /tmp/blah39; |
| 01:13.11 | sid | er |
| 01:13.44 | avr | w0ls0n, the program /usr/bin/mysqladmin is available ? |
| 01:13.44 | dondelelcaro | haga: no, you need the debian sources to start with. |
| 01:13.49 | w0ls0n | no |
| 01:13.51 | sid | just ignore me freeone3000 |
| 01:13.51 | freeone3000 | sid: Thanks... |
| 01:13.52 | sid | I can't think |
| 01:14.05 | freeone3000 | Wait, it still can't find tools.jar |
| 01:14.25 | LinuxHelp | Um, I'm using apt-cacher, and I'm getting this strange error, where only contrib and non-free work, no main, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/uQISVO36.html |
| 01:14.38 | freeone3000 | Ah well, good enough, thanks. |
| 01:14.46 | avr | w0ls0n, crazy stuff. I'd try an #apt-get install --reinstall mysql-client |
| 01:14.54 | mmiikkee12 | what's the default ftp port? 22? |
| 01:14.57 | avr | w0ls0n, that might fix the problem the easy way. |
| 01:15.14 | haga | ? <--- can yall see this? |
| 01:15.28 | w0ls0n | ok thanks |
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| 01:15.37 | w0ls0n | Debian isin't bad but FreeBSD is better |
| 01:15.37 | dvs | haga: !! |
| 01:15.42 | mmiikkee12 | haga, i see a question mark |
| 01:15.44 | w0ls0n | prepares to get flamed |
| 01:15.50 | w0ls0n | LOL |
| 01:15.58 | haga | its an "R" |
| 01:16.03 | haga | but backwards |
| 01:16.15 | mmiikkee12 | <haga> ? <--- can yall see this? |
| 01:16.23 | mmiikkee12 | looks like ? to me |
| 01:16.23 | avr | w0ls0n, FreeBSD is like gentoo for old grumpy people ;) |
| 01:16.24 | haga | are you on mIRC? |
| 01:16.26 | LinuxHelp | ? guess what this is |
| 01:16.31 | mmiikkee12 | haga, xchat |
| 01:16.36 | mmiikkee12 | never insult me like that :P |
| 01:16.45 | Gnea | it looks like a question mark to me |
| 01:16.46 | mmiikkee12 | LinuxHelp, a question mark |
| 01:16.51 | LinuxHelp | yeah :/ |
| 01:16.56 | haga | ic |
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| 01:17.41 | karsten | w0ls0n: Wouldn't flaming a devil be redundant? |
| 01:17.46 | w0ls0n | hehehe |
| 01:17.48 | w0ls0n | true |
| 01:17.50 | karsten | w0ls0n: "Don't throw me in that there briar patch!" |
| 01:17.54 | w0ls0n | okay I start mysql and heres my error |
| 01:17.57 | three | why use debian or freebsd when you can have the c64's GEOS.. |
| 01:18.02 | w0ls0n | hhahaha |
| 01:18.09 | w0ls0n | WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz |
| 01:18.09 | w0ls0n | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 01:18.09 | w0ls0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.10 | w0ls0n | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)' |
| 01:18.10 | w0ls0n | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 01:18.15 | Ryengoth | C64.. wonderful days |
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| 01:18.23 | dvs | Ryengoth: yup |
| 01:18.26 | w0ls0n | im sorry |
| 01:18.43 | Ryengoth | I was always jealous of my friend who had a 128 with a floppy drive |
| 01:18.56 | Ryengoth | I had that annoying cassette drive |
| 01:19.03 | avr | w0ls0n, just use #flood |
| 01:19.07 | three | I had a 128 but it always ran in 64 mode :) |
| 01:19.11 | dvs | Ryengoth: I got an Amiga 500 after my C64 |
| 01:19.24 | w0ls0n | hah |
| 01:19.27 | Ryengoth | I got a Packard Bell 386 SX 25 after my C64 |
| 01:19.35 | w0ls0n | WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read |
| 01:19.37 | w0ls0n | is not there |
| 01:19.54 | dvs | !pity Ryengoth |
| 01:19.55 | dpkg | I pity da fool Ryengoth! |
| 01:20.03 | Ryengoth | $100 for 256K of slow as molasses ram |
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| 01:20.12 | Ryengoth | <G> |
| 01:20.15 | Cooner750 | Need a quick way to install Java? I did it last time by using some guide to turn the Java JRE download into a Debian Package and then install it. Help? |
| 01:20.23 | three | well, thx for the help, im gone.. |
| 01:20.36 | LinuxHelp | !gothsmite Ryengoth |
| 01:20.46 | burnhamd | hey i did something stupid and messed up my media applications |
| 01:20.56 | burnhamd | i did a dpkg-divert on them |
| 01:20.59 | avr | w0ls0n, try the apt-get --reinstall for the mysql-common package as well. |
| 01:21.05 | burnhamd | how do i undo thewe functions |
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| 01:22.02 | PickCoder | maybe this is better? |
| 01:22.06 | w0ls0n | us1:/etc/init.d# apt-get --reinstall mysql-common |
| 01:22.06 | w0ls0n | E: Invalid operation mysql-common |
| 01:22.11 | epsilon | does syscp work with apache2? |
| 01:22.12 | w0ls0n | ? |
| 01:22.12 | Emiml | Cooner750: sun Java Runtime Enviroment is in debian right now. The only thing you have to do is to click on it in synpatic |
| 01:22.31 | w0ls0n | nm |
| 01:22.37 | Emiml | Cooner750: package is called sun-java5-jre |
| 01:22.46 | kingsley | Is it possible to send email to user@ip-address? |
| 01:23.00 | burnhamd | can anyone help my problem |
| 01:23.07 | epsilon | kingsley: exim support this IP option, but don't use it |
| 01:23.19 | burnhamd | im pasting the exact commands into pastebin right now |
| 01:23.56 | Cooner750 | Emiml: I dont see it, search returns no results for "java5" |
| 01:24.03 | Cooner750 | In a specific repository? |
| 01:24.27 | epsilon | if unsure get the installer from sun and install somewhere under opt |
| 01:24.30 | infernix | !java |
| 01:24.30 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 01:24.40 | infernix | !install java |
| 01:24.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
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| 01:25.16 | avr | w0ls0n, any luck ? |
| 01:25.18 | karsten | kingsley: Yes, *if* ip-address is running a mailserver. |
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| 01:25.43 | karsten | kingsley: Otherwise, you'd want to send to user@domain, and use standard MX lookups / default fallbacks. |
| 01:26.38 | w0ls0n | omg someone please help me with this error |
| 01:26.39 | w0ls0n | us1:/var/run/mysqld# mysql start |
| 01:26.39 | w0ls0n | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
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| 01:26.55 | burnhamd | anyone undo the commands here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1AZ16967.html ?? |
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| 01:29.36 | avr | w0ls0n, that error means mysqld is not running. Try starting it directly instead of with the wrapper scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 01:29.54 | w0ls0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.01 | w0ls0n | us1:/etc/init.d# 060819 3:28:53 [ERROR] Fatal error: Please read "Security" section of the manual to find out how to run mysqld as root! |
| 01:31.20 | freeone3000 | Where should $JAVA_HOME be in Sid? |
| 01:31.29 | freeone3000 | Nevermind. Not that question. >.< |
| 01:31.33 | freeone3000 | Anyone here use IDEA? |
| 01:32.38 | avr | w0ls0n, and #sudo mysql /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-locking --port=3306 --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 01:33.12 | karsten | w0ls0n: Check that mysql is running. |
| 01:33.19 | karsten | w0ls0n: ... then RTFM :-) |
| 01:33.24 | g333k | Hi I have installed debian sarge, and I have a serial mouse , what should I write in the XFconfig4 file? |
| 01:33.33 | w0ls0n | all I need to do is to get it running |
| 01:34.13 | karsten | g333k: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 01:34.33 | w0ls0n | us1:/etc/init.d# sudo mysql /usr/sbin/mysqld |
| 01:34.33 | w0ls0n | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 01:34.35 | karsten | g333k: /dev/input/mice (device) ExplorerPS/2 (protocol) |
| 01:34.35 | g333k | karsten, sarge uses xfree86 |
| 01:34.39 | w0ls0n | even without all the options |
| 01:34.47 | karsten | g333k: s/xorg/xfree86/ |
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| 01:35.08 | w0ls0n | mysql: unknown variable 'basedir=/usr/sbin' |
| 01:36.40 | w0ls0n | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
| 01:36.45 | freeone3000 | Er, random question. Why does the new monodevelop require metacity? |
| 01:36.50 | w0ls0n | thats all I get |
| 01:36.51 | karsten | !tell w0ls0n about paster |
| 01:36.54 | freeone3000 | I do not want gnome in order to have a decent C# IDE. |
| 01:37.03 | avr | w0ls0n, are you sure there isn't a crippled mysqld still running somewhere ? |
| 01:37.05 | karsten | freeone3000: emacs/xemacs |
| 01:37.18 | w0ls0n | ps aux | grep mysql return nada |
| 01:37.26 | freeone3000 | karsten: Answer does not compute... |
| 01:37.34 | karsten | w0ls0n: check netstat as well just for grins. |
| 01:37.48 | sid | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk |
| 01:37.51 | karsten | freeone3000: emacs/xemacs are IDEs. I'm pretty sure there's a C# mode |
| 01:38.14 | g333k | karsten, Nothing: "Cannot open device /dev/input/mice ...." |
| 01:38.15 | freeone3000 | karsten: Er... Yeah, for lisp. I don't think it has IDE-ish support for anything else... |
| 01:38.32 | karsten | freeone3000: <cough> |
| 01:38.37 | w0ls0n | theres about 10 things in there |
| 01:38.48 | karsten | freeone3000: Did I just hear the word "think" escape from your lips? |
| 01:38.56 | freeone3000 | karsten: Possibly. |
| 01:39.18 | karsten | g333k: Makde sure it exists. |
| 01:39.18 | karsten | g3modprobe mousedev |
| 01:39.26 | avr | w0ls0n, :/ if you're just setting it up and don't have any databases yet, perhaps it's best to nuke it from orbit with #apt-get remove --purge mysql-server mysql-common mysql-client |
| 01:39.38 | avr | w0ls0n, then reboot and reinstall those three. |
| 01:39.46 | karsten | freeone3000: I do believe you're mistaken. |
| 01:39.48 | avr | w0ls0n, it really shoulnd't be necessary though. |
| 01:39.57 | g333k | karsten, same configuration? |
| 01:40.02 | w0ls0n | sigh |
| 01:40.12 | karsten | freeone3000: http://www.cybercom.net/~zbrad/DotNet/Emacs/ |
| 01:40.17 | avr | w0ls0n, it's very much overkill. But it may be a quick way out. |
| 01:40.58 | w0ls0n | reinstalling everything and rebooting |
| 01:41.05 | w0ls0n | so mysql-common-4.1 |
| 01:41.19 | w0ls0n | mysql-server-4.1 and what else? |
| 01:41.21 | avr | w0ls0n, just reinstalling mysql related packages |
| 01:41.33 | avr | w0ls0n, mysql-client |
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| 01:42.27 | g333k | karsten, no the X loads, but I cant move the mouse |
| 01:42.55 | karsten | freeone3000: As far as C# goes, the Linux / Free Software stuff tends to be Mono-based, which is a project inspired/lead by Miguel d'Icaza, who's a GNOME guy, so GNOME may have the richest toolsets. |
| 01:43.01 | karsten | g333k: Better. |
| 01:43.06 | Cooner750 | how can I find out what current IP address and MAC address this machine has? |
| 01:43.12 | freeone3000 | karsten: Okay. Cool. |
| 01:43.20 | freeone3000 | karsten: Although, I love how it just requires metacity, and not gnome. |
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| 01:43.22 | g333k | ColdFyre, ifconfig -a |
| 01:43.28 | avr | Cooner750, ifconfig |
| 01:43.29 | w0ls0n | this is frustrating |
| 01:43.33 | five0` | hi guys, when mounting remote nfs shares, i get the following: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel \n portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out \n RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). After a long delay, the nfs share is eventually mounted. |
| 01:43.42 | w0ls0n | sigh |
| 01:43.43 | five0` | how do i diagnose that error? |
| 01:44.01 | Cooner750 | avr: Command not found |
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| 01:44.13 | five0` | is this a server-side problem? |
| 01:44.19 | avr | Cooner750, /sbin/ifconfig , sorry |
| 01:44.30 | Emiml | Cooner750: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:45.12 | avr | five0, it might be. chances are portmap isn't running either locally or remotely. |
| 01:45.31 | five0` | avr: portmap is running remotely |
| 01:45.32 | Cooner750 | Now how can I renew the IP (via DHCP)? |
| 01:45.33 | Emiml | karsten: emacs is IDE - good joke |
| 01:45.38 | five0` | avr: i'm not sure if it's needed locally though |
| 01:45.46 | Cooner750 | I added a static entry to my Smoothwall server and need to have this machine renew the least |
| 01:45.49 | Cooner750 | lease* |
| 01:45.49 | five0` | avr: it may be a dns issue. i'll have to look into it further |
| 01:46.09 | five0` | reverse domain lookup, that is |
| 01:46.30 | avr | five0, I found it speeds up nfs mounting. remote nfs mounts are still a bit off black-magic though. |
| 01:47.14 | g333k | Can somebody help me to set up my serial mouse? debian sarge kernel 2.6.8-386 + xfree86 |
| 01:47.24 | avr | Cooner750, #dhclient eth0 |
| 01:47.31 | avr | Cooner750, or whatever interface you wnat. |
| 01:47.48 | w0ls0n | ok that worked |
| 01:48.48 | Emiml | g333k: run modconf go to kernel/drivers/input/mouse and make sure you have selected sermouse |
| 01:48.52 | avr | g333k, see with #hexdump /dev/ttyS0 which serial port it is attached to. then link that serial port symbolically to /dev/mouse. Put that in XF86Config-4 in the relevant place. |
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| 01:49.36 | Emiml | g333k: and then make sure you have mousedev selected in kernel/drivers/input |
| 01:49.36 | avr | w0ls0n, any idea where it could have gone wrong during the initial install ? |
| 01:50.29 | g333k | Emiml, avr : Ok thanks give a minutes to do it cause its a P1 |
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| 01:51.29 | five0` | avr: ah, you were right,. a locally-running portmap fixes the problem |
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| 01:52.08 | azeem | gob_: please turn off public away |
| 01:52.45 | abrocadabro | I accidentally did this mkswap /dev/sda6 where /dev/sda6 is my root, now I can't even boot any more, is there a way to reverse this? |
| 01:53.00 | PickCoder | avr: I've run into that occasionally when installing the mysql package |
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| 01:53.32 | avr | PickCoder, from scratch on a fresh system ? |
| 01:53.41 | PickCoder | avr: yes brand new install |
| 01:53.42 | haga | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1150490054358&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 01:53.48 | tongueroo | is there a way to use curl -O http://www.yahoo.com/index.html to save to specific file instead of index.html? |
| 01:53.48 | burnhamd | how do i undo a dpkg-divert command |
| 01:53.54 | haga | ^^ is this possible to hook up and get it working? |
| 01:55.05 | avr | tongueroo, #lynx --dump http://www.yahoo.com/index.html > filename.html |
| 01:55.08 | haga | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1150490054358&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
| 01:55.09 | haga | ^^ is this possible to hook up and get it working? |
| 01:55.11 | avr | tongueroo, would amount ot that. |
| 01:56.16 | avr | PickCoder, any particular version that does that ? |
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| 01:57.11 | tongueroo | umm.. im actually trying to downloading xml files like this and the lynx command messes up the download |
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| 01:57.55 | burnhamd | haga: yes it is |
| 01:58.03 | PickCoder | avr: the last occurance was on etch and I don't remember much about the problem. I just purged it and moved on. |
| 01:58.11 | avr | abrocadabro, yes, *probably* but you need a live cd and a lot of patience to read documentation, and a few raw backups of the disk so you can try a few times. |
| 01:58.12 | burnhamd | haga: but what version do you have |
| 01:58.22 | PickCoder | avr: I believe it was a dependency install, not a direct install |
| 01:58.24 | epsilon | what is the purpose of an UDP-package with DST=255.255.255.255? |
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| 01:59.20 | avr | w0ls0n, which release are you running ? |
| 01:59.21 | PickCoder | avr: I'm sure I can duplicate it, given I can find a free machine to botch |
| 01:59.35 | abrocadabro | avr: probably more effort than just to reinstall :) |
| 01:59.47 | FernandoM | Hello, could someone tell me how can i make my mic work on debian? |
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| 02:00.29 | relis87 | hey y'all, im on debian woody, and I was wondering if backports are availible for it; I really dont feel like upgrading to sarge |
| 02:02.15 | PickCoder | relis87: is there a specific application you want a backport of? |
| 02:02.27 | avr | abrocadabro, yes. If reinstall is a sane option you have at least 1 thing you could try. I would try just to set the type of the partition back to "83" in fdisk. |
| 02:02.54 | abrocadabro | avr: it is 83 still |
| 02:03.39 | abrocadabro | avr: according to fdisk |
| 02:04.20 | relis87 | PickCoder: I want the new Firefox, Thunder Bird, XMMS, and a new bittorrent client |
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| 02:05.59 | karsten | relis87: Either upgrade or find a distro that matches your software currency / stability mix. |
| 02:06.17 | relis87 | karsten: cant I just get firefox, xmms, and thunder bird for woody? |
| 02:06.25 | relis87 | Karsten: it works fine, so i dont want to screw with it |
| 02:06.46 | karsten | relis87: You can try backports. However in general if you want current stuff, go with testing/unstable. |
| 02:06.54 | PickCoder | reils87: you're better off upgrading to etch so you get the 2.6 kernel (IMHO) |
| 02:06.55 | relis87 | I want 3 programs >< |
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| 02:07.13 | karsten | relis87: If you want something that's a more current mix but reasonably stable, you might want to use Ubuntu (or a derivative). |
| 02:07.15 | relis87 | And I have the 2.6 kernel |
| 02:07.24 | karsten | relis87: /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:07.37 | relis87 | and I dont like part-debian distros :P |
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| 02:07.55 | karsten | relis87: You've got yourself an overly constrained optimization problem. |
| 02:07.59 | relis87 | Maybe ill just upgrade to sarhe.. |
| 02:08.02 | relis87 | sarge |
| 02:08.12 | relis87 | and stay with that for 8 months or so |
| 02:08.58 | wireddd | I just got a new switch and gigabit nics for all of my computers, and they all work, but transfers between them really don't seem to be going any faster |
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| 02:09.34 | PickCoder | wireddd: are you using cat5e or cat6 patch cables? |
| 02:09.34 | karsten | wireddd: Both sides of the transaction need to be Gig-E, and there's a lot of reasons transfers can be slow. |
| 02:09.42 | karsten | wireddd: Right, and cabling ;-) |
| 02:09.49 | wireddd | cat5e |
| 02:10.13 | wireddd | and its just patch cables, the computers are all sitting right next to each other |
| 02:10.55 | peterS | wireddd: interesting, it should be noticeably faster than 100mbit, even if you can't achieve anything close to 1000 megabits per second |
| 02:11.12 | wireddd | I am not even getting above 100mbit |
| 02:11.21 | PickCoder | wireddd: are you seeing a lot of collisions? |
| 02:11.34 | peterS | PickCoder: gigabit has no collisions, as a rule |
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| 02:11.52 | peterS | PickCoder: I guess it's in the 1000baseT spec, but nobody implements non-switching hubs |
| 02:11.55 | relis87 | Well sarge has got Gnome 2.8, which is more than new enough for me xD |
| 02:12.02 | Emiml | relis87: theoreticaly it should be easy to get new source-packages and recompile it on woody |
| 02:12.08 | burnhamd | i need help with dpkg-divert can anyone help?? |
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| 02:12.29 | karsten | !tell burnhamd about ask |
| 02:12.40 | enouf | abrocadabro: did you make your swap area using 'dd' or similar - or just ran the mkswap /dev/sda6 ? and if so , were there errors ? pastebin your /etc/fstab |
| 02:12.46 | peterS | Emiml: there are many cases where this is far from true. someone once asked me about the feasibility of backporting a new subversion package to woody - I didn't have to think very long before I came up with half a dozen reasons it wouldn't be trivial |
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| 02:12.59 | PickCoder | speaking of collisions.. |
| 02:13.11 | burnhamd | karsten ive asked a couple of times before |
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| 02:14.42 | abrocadabro | enouf: I just did mkswap /dev/sda6, there were two lines of output, saying no label but no errors, |
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| 02:15.57 | burnhamd | i give up |
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| 02:16.19 | Emiml | abrocadabro: have you tried testdisk |
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| 02:17.07 | enouf | abrocadabro: pastebin your /etc/fstab ok ...do /msg dpkg paster - what happens when you try to boot ? using Grub, or Lilo? |
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| 02:17.58 | wireddd | I wonder if I got a messed up switch, I can get it to burst up to 60 megs a second and then it drops down to about 3.6 |
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| 02:18.56 | skaven` | « Godsmack - Releasing the Demons - 4m 12s » |
| 02:19.07 | skaven` | arrrrh sorry |
| 02:19.13 | PickCoder | wireddd: does your ifconfig show collisions? |
| 02:19.34 | wireddd | of course not |
| 02:19.34 | abrocadabro | enouf: I can't paste it because I can't mount my sda6, the error is wrong fs type, the command was mount -t ext3 /dev/sda6 sda |
| 02:20.00 | abrocadabro | Emiml: how can I get that to run? I am under ubuntu live CD |
| 02:20.00 | avr | abrocadabro, have you already tried an fsck ? |
| 02:20.23 | Stevie-O | abrocadabro: what does this say? file -srk /dev/sda6 |
| 02:20.25 | enouf | abrocadabro: can't you cat /etc/fstab ? -- use #flood instead then |
| 02:21.07 | abrocadabro | enouf: I can't mount it, don't see anything from it |
| 02:21.37 | Emiml | abrocadabro: if there is no testdisk on this livecd you can downlaod it from thier webpage |
| 02:21.45 | enouf | abrocadabro: I'll leave you into other more experienced hands for now -- listen to them |
| 02:21.50 | PickCoder | wireddd: which brand/model nic? |
| 02:21.54 | abrocadabro | Stevie-O: it says /dev/sda6: Linux/i386 swap file (new style) 1 (4k pages) size 4223070 pages |
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| 02:22.14 | Stevie-O | abrocadabro: that would explain why you can't mount it. |
| 02:22.20 | Stevie-O | /dev/sda6 is a swwap partition |
| 02:22.43 | abrocadabro | I did it by accident, it is meant to be a ext3 fs |
| 02:22.53 | Stevie-O | ah. |
| 02:22.59 | Stevie-O | that's not good. |
| 02:23.03 | abrocadabro | enouf: thanks anyway |
| 02:23.04 | Stevie-O | hold on a moment |
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| 02:23.38 | enouf | abrocadabro: ;-) and still lurking |
| 02:26.12 | PickCoder | abrocadabro: are you trying to create an ext3 parition on /dev/sda6? |
| 02:27.18 | wireddd | PickCoder, some cheap compusa nic, I don't know what the chipset is |
| 02:27.19 | abrocadabro | PickCoder: it was a ext3 partition on /dev/sda6, and everything was fine, but I accidently did mkswap /dev/sda6 and no the machine is not booting any more, I'll try to get it fixed |
| 02:28.06 | poonj | hey guys |
| 02:28.13 | poonj | is there a firewall tool in debian? |
| 02:28.17 | Stevie-O | iptables? |
| 02:28.18 | PickCoder | wireddd: "lspci -v | grep Ethernet" to find out |
| 02:28.27 | poonj | no no...like a gui to write iptables rules |
| 02:28.32 | Stevie-O | xterm? |
| 02:28.38 | poonj | =) |
| 02:28.40 | PickCoder | abro: eek.. not a good thing. What was it mounted as before? |
| 02:28.42 | avr | :) |
| 02:28.48 | wireddd | its a rtl-8169 |
| 02:28.51 | abrocadabro | PickCoder: ext3 |
| 02:29.03 | PickCoder | abro: was it mounted as specific root folder? |
| 02:29.37 | abrocadabro | PickCoder: it was mounted as / |
| 02:30.12 | dendrite | poonj: apt-cache rdepends iptables should give you some options. |
| 02:30.14 | Stevie-O | abrocadabro: reminds me of the time I fdisk'd the wrong drive and hosed my partition table |
| 02:30.14 | abrocadabro | never mind, I am just have to install it over again |
| 02:30.16 | PickCoder | abro: yeah.. that _could_ a small problem. :/ |
| 02:30.32 | dendrite | poonj: "apt-cache rdepends iptables" even... |
| 02:31.04 | PickCoder | wireddd: does dmesg show the link coming up as 100MB? |
| 02:31.15 | poonj | okay |
| 02:31.16 | poonj | thanks! |
| 02:32.07 | wireddd | PickCoder, it just says "r8169: eth1: link up" |
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| 02:34.21 | PickCoder | gah |
| 02:34.23 | enouf | abrocadabro: I missed the part about you booting from a livecd earlier... but how is it being seen as a swap now, yet fdisk sees an id of 83 or 82 ? and from where ? a Live Ubuntu boot ? |
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| 02:35.10 | wireddd | PickCoder, I guess this is what I get for buying the cheapest possible nics/switch |
| 02:35.54 | abrocadabro | enouf: it is seen as a swap partition, id is 83 |
| 02:36.20 | abrocadabro | enouf: from ubuntu live cd |
| 02:36.26 | PickCoder | wireddd: what does dmesg show when the link comes up? |
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| 02:37.06 | wireddd | PickCoder, thats all |
| 02:37.11 | enouf | abrocadabro: can you try this : 'dd if=/dev/sda6 bs=512 count=2 | xxd' take the output and paste it into channel #flood |
| 02:38.12 | wireddd | PickCoder, well, since this isn't working, I will have to fix it later |
| 02:38.37 | PickCoder | wireddd: you can force the media setting in the module conf |
| 02:38.51 | wireddd | how do I do that? |
| 02:38.54 | enouf | abrocadabro: wait - somethings wrong with that - hold a sec please |
| 02:38.55 | PickCoder | wireddd: by default, nics will auto-sense the cable and determine the best link speed |
| 02:39.16 | PickCoder | wireddd: I've never used a realtek gigabit card, so I'm having to look it up |
| 02:40.16 | odla | what do i need to get automounting with thunar? ivman? |
| 02:40.30 | Emiml | wireddd: maybe mii-tool can do that |
| 02:41.38 | enouf | abrocadabro: no it's correct - I just had a leading ' <--mark in my command (doh) - silly me - you need root privs though |
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| 02:44.35 | PickCoder | wireddd: lsmod | grep r8169 |
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| 02:45.16 | wireddd | its there |
| 02:45.20 | PickCoder | hrm |
| 02:45.49 | jnguy[w] | Anyone here have any experience with hibernate? |
| 02:45.50 | abrocadabro | enouf: there is too much to type, but it's all gibberish stuff anyway |
| 02:46.00 | PickCoder | wireddd: Realtek has an r1000 driver listed for that chipset |
| 02:46.01 | enouf | abrocadabro: you know id 82 is swap - and ext3 is 83 ..so something is still seeing an ext3 there (I mean maybe fdisk is just reading the label since none was set during mkswap - but the 'dd' output wil show you if there's zeros in your boot sector on that partition or not ) |
| 02:46.20 | enouf | abrocadabro: use count=1 instead then |
| 02:46.31 | peterS | enouf: id 83 is really any Linux filesystem, it's not limited to ext3 at all |
| 02:46.41 | enouf | abrocadabro: Gibberish is GOOD -- 0000's are bad! |
| 02:47.09 | enouf | peterS: ok - just trying to help salvage if possible |
| 02:48.10 | abrocadabro | enouf: still a whole page of crap, which part are you interested in particular? |
| 02:48.25 | PickCoder | wireddd: I found the media hex value for the r1000. I dunno if the r8169 supports 1000MB. |
| 02:48.54 | enouf | abrocadabro: can't you join #flood ? use /join #flood |
| 02:49.00 | wireddd | it says in lspci that it does |
| 02:49.05 | odla | anyone know a good place to get debian wallpapers? especially a debian xfce wallpaper |
| 02:49.13 | odla | i've checked out gnome-look btw |
| 02:49.18 | PickCoder | wireddd: do you have ethtool installed? |
| 02:49.20 | abrocadabro | enouf: yes I can, but the output is in another computer and massive |
| 02:49.46 | wireddd | I do now |
| 02:49.51 | abrocadabro | enouf: hold on, I am going to use a flash disk |
| 02:50.07 | enouf | abrocadabro: it should not be -- you did dd if=/dev/sda6 bs=512 count=1 | xxd <--yes? |
| 02:50.47 | PickCoder | wireddd: it should show you valid link modes |
| 02:51.15 | abrocadabro | enouf: still a whole page of characters and number |
| 02:51.18 | wireddd | it says the link is connected at 1000 full duplex |
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| 02:52.28 | PickCoder | wireddd: then you have a gigabit link established |
| 02:52.40 | enouf | peterS: do you think it's possible to salvage after a 'mkswap /dev/sda6' was issued on a prior '/' partition? As far as I've been able to tell - a 'dd' was never issued to actually create a swap space |
| 02:53.11 | PickCoder | wireddd: why it's slow, could be a bunch of things |
| 02:53.34 | peterS | enouf: yeah, mkswap only wipes out the first 1 kB, I believe. e2fsck -b32768 or whatever. |
| 02:53.51 | PickCoder | wireddd: cat6 is recommended for 1000MB. cat5e is OK for extremely short runs |
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| 02:54.43 | Stevie-O | abrocadabro: hold on a moment |
| 02:55.23 | wireddd | PickCoder, ethtool says it can't get any info for my nic in the other computer I was trying to transfer from, I wonder if that on eis messed up |
| 02:55.58 | kingsley | Is it possible to configure a user's account so Firefox will accept Japanese text? |
| 02:56.34 | Stevie-O | nevermind then |
| 02:56.54 | Stevie-O | PickCoder: Define 'extremely short'? |
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| 02:58.06 | abrocadabro | enouf: it's in #flood now |
| 02:58.55 | enouf | peterS: ahh ..so the first 1024 bytes should be overwritten, but it doesn't appear that way from what the OP states (he sees gibberish, and my swap partition is all zeros, except in the areas that define the label and such) - Are you suggesting an e2fsck ? and would this '-b32768' mean super-block - ahh yes, man e2fsck - I'm just not sure how to tell him/her how to acccomplish that in a chroot env. |
| 02:59.05 | enouf | abrocadabro: ok - going to looksee |
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| 02:59.45 | PickCoder | Stevie-O: like custom patch cables to bridge switch and patch panel? |
| 03:00.03 | PickCoder | Stevie-O: it depends. cat5e is not rated for 1000Meg |
| 03:00.04 | Stevie-O | PickCoder: ah, that short |
| 03:00.19 | PickCoder | Stevie-O: if it's good cable, you may get lucky |
| 03:01.05 | enouf | abrocadabro: well that doesn't appear to be a Swap partition to me ... Ask for help on running an 'e2fsck' on that sda6, from your LiveCD boot environment |
| 03:01.10 | Stevie-O | this is all moot cuz I don't have a gigabit network |
| 03:01.29 | wireddd | PickCoder, cat5e is rated for gigabit |
| 03:01.38 | PickCoder | me either. :P I run 100Base-FX when I need to bridge switches |
| 03:01.40 | wireddd | that is what seperates it from cat5 no? |
| 03:02.18 | Stevie-O | nah, it's just the letter 'e' at the end :) |
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| 03:02.58 | abrocadabro | enouf: I did e2fsck /dev/sda6 , it seems to be doing something , which is a good sign |
| 03:03.56 | relis87 | Does anyone here disable drawing of windows during moving/resizing? I notice mine are starting to lag and look buggy so I was thinking of doing it |
| 03:04.50 | peterS | you know, e2fsck needs a --reassure flag. then it can say soothing things while it checks the filesystem, rather than a big unfriendly set of progress bars |
| 03:05.15 | peterS | <e2fsck> yep, looks like your filesystem is basically all here. I'll go ahead and check the whole thing, ok? but I bet it'll all be fine |
| 03:05.32 | abrocadabro | enouf: thanks very much, it's fixed |
| 03:06.38 | enouf | abrocadabro: REally ?? -- friggin amazing :-) ...but really thank the others as well please - a little from me, and a lot from them and whamo = you're in business again |
| 03:07.03 | Z_Morek | I was getting errors with postgresql and it didn't break any dependencies in removing it, but it still gives me some failure on boot |
| 03:07.18 | Z_Morek | something about a guc variable |
| 03:07.21 | abrocadabro | enouf: there is another problem, I can get to the grub screen, and choose which system to boot, but windows xp has a problem with ntfs.sys and linux has a kernel panic |
| 03:07.25 | Z_Morek | should I try reinstalling it or just remove it from boot? |
| 03:07.35 | enouf | peterS: I like that - the --reassure flag ... not -v for verbose eh ? |
| 03:08.06 | enouf | abrocadabro: Time to post your /boot/grub/menu.lst I guess |
| 03:08.16 | peterS | enouf: right, it would have a set of stock phrases about how everything's going to be fine. at the very end, of course, you might find out that it's been lying the whole time. |
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| 03:08.47 | Cooner750 | How can I install SMB to see my Windows machines on the network? |
| 03:09.13 | abrocadabro | enouf: actually, I booted fine this time with default kernel, just my custom kernel didn't boot probably, maybe I wasn't using initial ram disk, but it used to work fine |
| 03:09.38 | enouf | peterS: hehe ... |
| 03:09.40 | avr | peterS, that would be the --sco flag. |
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| 03:09.57 | enouf | abrocadabro: Yes - atleast check your config in grub |
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| 03:10.16 | peterS | avr: don't be silly. when SCO lies, they don't do it by saying soothing things, they do it by trying to scare everyone. also, you don't have to wait until later to find out they lied, you can just assume it up front. |
| 03:10.20 | PickCoder | wireddd: cat5e is supposed to support gigabit, but the freq limit is the same as cat5 |
| 03:10.22 | enouf | abrocadabro: Also recheck /etc/fstab |
| 03:10.56 | wireddd | mine is brand new |
| 03:11.07 | wireddd | its not pre 2001 cat5e |
| 03:11.29 | abrocadabro | enouf: yeah, will do that, thanks so much, also everyone else too |
| 03:11.32 | avr | peterS, heh. true that. |
| 03:12.01 | peterS | /nick abrocadabrotman |
| 03:12.22 | struct | I have gigabit with cat5e |
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| 03:12.38 | Cooner750 | anyone know how I can browse my windows network? |
| 03:12.46 | struct | Cooner750: smb |
| 03:12.54 | Cooner750 | i know, how do I install it? |
| 03:12.59 | eldowan | smb4k |
| 03:13.01 | wireddd | hmm it may just be samba that is running so slow |
| 03:13.13 | wireddd | I can get 15MB/s with scp |
| 03:13.24 | avr | Cooner750, last time I checked it was build right into konqueror. |
| 03:13.27 | enouf | peterS: sly-ster ..? -- wtf with the nicks ? hehehe |
| 03:13.28 | struct | wireddd: you can get double that with ftp |
| 03:13.36 | Cooner750 | avr: Using Gnome here |
| 03:13.51 | enouf | abrocadabro: no prob at all - happy you got it fixed |
| 03:13.54 | avr | Cooner750, you could browse shared disks by putting smb:// or somesuch as the url. |
| 03:14.15 | eldowan | Cooner750: Agree with avr, smb:// at the url |
| 03:14.23 | PickCoder | wireddd: if you have 3 foot cables, you should be fine there. |
| 03:14.36 | wireddd | PickCoder, they are 6 feet at the most |
| 03:14.48 | wireddd | I have to get some food, bbl |
| 03:14.48 | PickCoder | wireddd: I would connect two machines directly with a cross-over cable and see what you get |
| 03:14.49 | Cooner750 | Ok so I tried to access the new Acer downstairs (name: acer) using smb://acer and I get "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: acer"." |
| 03:14.53 | Z_Morek | how do I remove postgresql from the boot process on debian etch |
| 03:15.01 | PickCoder | wireddd: if you have a bad nic, you'll find out fairly quickly |
| 03:15.11 | peterS | PickCoder: no need for cross-over, all gigabit PHYs can auto-detect polarity |
| 03:15.16 | avr | Cooner750, but that was when the automatic setup did everything right, so your milage may very from typing the url to reading the documentation for samba and cursing a lot. |
| 03:15.27 | peterS | I mean, all 1000baseT, not talking about fiber ones |
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| 03:15.46 | PickCoder | peterS: true.. |
| 03:15.53 | Cooner750 | hmm |
| 03:16.27 | struct | PickCoder: is wireddd having a problem with cat5e or something? |
| 03:16.31 | PickCoder | peterS: I'm from the 10Base-2 days and sometimes forget about MX autosense. <G> |
| 03:16.45 | PickCoder | struct: 1000MB link with latency |
| 03:16.52 | peterS | PickCoder: indeed (: though you didn't have to worry about xover cables with BNC (: |
| 03:16.58 | struct | PickCoder: what kind of latency? |
| 03:16.59 | PickCoder | <G> |
| 03:17.23 | PickCoder | struct: I dunno. |
| 03:17.36 | PickCoder | wireddd: have you done a ping test to check ping times? |
| 03:17.38 | avr | Z_Morek, #update-rc.d -f postgres remove |
| 03:17.56 | struct | I wonder what NICs he has |
| 03:18.02 | PickCoder | R8169 |
| 03:18.08 | struct | I had some major issues with intel cards |
| 03:18.09 | struct | ah |
| 03:18.18 | struct | I have R8169 as well |
| 03:18.20 | struct | works fine |
| 03:18.53 | struct | I guess we need to wait till wireddd comes back and ask him what kind of latency he is having |
| 03:19.21 | Z_Morek | avr, thanks |
| 03:20.28 | avr | Cooner750, I remember recent KDEs having a feature very much like "network neighbourhood" where attached smb machines would automatically pop up. Gnome might have a feature like that as well. |
| 03:21.35 | Fehdorah | JAGS - Just Another Gnome Samba Client |
| 03:21.39 | eldowan | Cooner750: look at tksmb |
| 03:22.14 | enouf | avr: concerning the update-rc.d - to reinstate at startup afterwards - would '#update-rc.d -f postgres install' do the trick? |
| 03:22.58 | avr | enouf, #update-rc.d postgres defaults |
| 03:23.21 | enouf | avr: ahh... ok thanks |
| 03:23.38 | avr | enouf, there's lot of options to manually define the runlevels as well. |
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| 03:24.33 | odla | anyone know where i put skins for mplayer? i tried .mplayer but i don't see a fold for skins |
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| 03:24.36 | odla | do i need to create it |
| 03:25.03 | enouf | avr: I see - but the defaults are read from '/etc/default/$servicename' I presume |
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| 03:27.42 | test0012 | Hello, everyone. Could anyone here please tell me how to make "apt-cache search" to search within current installed packages? |
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| 03:28.11 | enouf | avr: Just trying to figure out the differences (however slight - or if any at all) there is between using update-rc.d directly and/or running it's frontend TUI variant 'rcconf' and it's terminal only 'sysv-rc-conf'.. |
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| 03:29.05 | avr | enouf, the man page tells me it starts the service in run-levels 2345 and stops the service in runlevels 016. So it looks like it doesn't use a config file for that. |
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| 03:29.19 | enouf | test0012: apt-cache search <packagename> -- what are you looking for? files? |
| 03:29.46 | test0012 | enouf, I'm trying to look for all installed packages related to "ruby" |
| 03:29.52 | enouf | avr: ...Ok ... thank you |
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| 03:30.33 | test0012 | enouf, so I can remove those packages. I tried "apt-cache --installed search ruby", but it doesn't work. |
| 03:30.36 | enouf | test0012: dpkg -l ruby | grep ^.i (to start) |
| 03:31.25 | zzer | http://pastebin.ca/138309 ? any ideas? |
| 03:31.45 | test0012 | enouf, it works, thank you. |
| 03:31.57 | enouf | test0012: to Remove and get rid of all config file use 'apt-get --purge remove <packagename>' |
| 03:32.21 | test0012 | enouf, ic.. |
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| 03:33.17 | enouf | test0012: to keep orig cionfiguration files, but remove packages - just drop the --purge from the line |
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| 03:34.57 | enouf | wow - 3 hrs and 30+ minutes later - and its only the top of the 7th inning |
| 03:35.48 | jnguy[w] | enouf: which game? |
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| 03:35.56 | jnguy[w] | bos? |
| 03:36.03 | avr | jnguy[w], from the 3:30 I'f venture to say cricket. |
| 03:36.09 | jnguy[w] | lol |
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| 03:36.25 | enouf | jnguy[w]: yankees at boston |
| 03:36.30 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 03:36.32 | jnguy[w] | who is winning? |
| 03:36.36 | jnguy[w] | I guess I could check this myself. |
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| 03:36.49 | enouf | boston 10 - 8 but bases loaded |
| 03:36.56 | enouf | 1 out |
| 03:37.15 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 03:37.20 | jnguy[w] | I hate the yankees |
| 03:37.23 | jnguy[w] | but, they have to win. |
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| 03:38.14 | enouf | jnguy[w]: heh, I'm not a huge fan of georgie boy, but ...when they're losing I call them the blankees |
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| 03:38.41 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 03:38.45 | jnguy[w] | yeah |
| 03:38.52 | jnguy[w] | oyyy. I need help with hibernate... |
| 03:39.05 | enouf | mah mets' schmets ... they tried to replace our giants ...bleh |
| 03:39.20 | jnguy[w] | enouf: are you from New York? |
| 03:39.31 | enouf | jnguy[w]: si |
| 03:39.42 | jnguy[w] | si as in yes, or si staten island? |
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| 03:39.57 | odla | what do i need to do to allow a regular user to reboot/shutdown in xfce 4.4beta2? i've edit sudoers with the following: ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown |
| 03:40.04 | odla | is that syntax right? |
| 03:40.06 | enouf | well -- either way, it's still ny |
| 03:40.14 | jnguy[w] | haha |
| 03:40.17 | jnguy[w] | quite a difference :) |
| 03:40.32 | jnguy[w] | at least its not upstate:) |
| 03:40.40 | enouf | It's a big state and vast - though many are as well |
| 03:41.00 | jnguy[w] | displaced new yorker, currently in San Diego :( |
| 03:41.00 | enouf | right - but upstate is real nice |
| 03:41.02 | petriborg | anyone have any advice on playing mame games? |
| 03:41.09 | jnguy[w] | eh.... |
| 03:41.14 | jnguy[w] | too... different? |
| 03:41.24 | enouf | ohh...home sick at all ? how's the food there compare ? |
| 03:41.30 | jnguy[w] | sucky. |
| 03:41.38 | jnguy[w] | Not quite home sick |
| 03:41.41 | jnguy[w] | new york city sick :) |
| 03:41.46 | jnguy[w] | no variety, and its hard to get around. |
| 03:41.51 | jnguy[w] | I LOVE the subway system. |
| 03:41.54 | enouf | that would get me back in a hurry -- good food |
| 03:42.00 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 03:42.06 | jnguy[w] | not just good, but its all about variety. |
| 03:42.08 | enouf | I drive everywhere though |
| 03:42.10 | jnguy[w] | I love different ethnic food. |
| 03:42.15 | jnguy[w] | I hate driving. |
| 03:42.17 | enouf | me too |
| 03:42.31 | enouf | or should I say my chauffer ...yeah right |
| 03:42.35 | jnguy[w] | So, you're from Staten Island? |
| 03:42.55 | jnguy[w] | that would explain the driving. |
| 03:43.28 | enouf | driving here does suck - but it's like that in every major urban center nowadays --- Woot! a 3 run basses clearing double via Jeter 11-10 NY! |
| 03:44.02 | enouf | bases* ...hehehe - no fish on the ballfield allowed ...ehehe |
| 03:44.08 | jnguy[w] | hahaha. |
| 03:44.22 | jnguy[w] | nothing like an exciting game. |
| 03:44.34 | jnguy[w] | I never liked the Yankees because I felt like they weren't dynamic enough |
| 03:44.39 | jnguy[w] | no excitement in watching |
| 03:44.45 | jnguy[w] | the mets, anytime they won, it was amazing. |
| 03:45.09 | enouf | jnguy[w]: yeah - the 'amazings' ... |
| 03:45.17 | enouf | 1986 was it? |
| 03:45.23 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 03:45.25 | jnguy[w] | I wasn't around :) |
| 03:45.37 | jnguy[w] | 20 year aniversary :) |
| 03:45.46 | jnguy[w] | another subway series would be sweet. |
| 03:45.48 | enouf | jnguy[w]: bah younguns .... Jeter scores! ... 10-10 |
| 03:45.52 | enouf | 12-10* |
| 03:45.57 | jnguy[w] | haha. |
| 03:45.58 | jnguy[w] | awesome. |
| 03:46.05 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 03:46.10 | jnguy[w] | yeah, I'm in San Diego for school. |
| 03:46.39 | enouf | jnguy[w]: actually I like the subway series -- very intense, like the boston/yankee rivalry |
| 03:46.44 | jnguy[w] | yeah. |
| 03:46.49 | jnguy[w] | I think it happens a little too often now |
| 03:47.00 | jnguy[w] | but, actual subway series are awesome (2000) |
| 03:47.25 | enouf | jnguy[w]: Cool.... It long to visit the west coast -- will do soon -- ... 2run single for cano ...14-10! |
| 03:47.34 | jnguy[w] | har har. |
| 03:47.47 | enouf | jnguy[w]: The boston fans are starting to boooo |
| 03:47.52 | enouf | ehehehe |
| 03:47.55 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 03:47.59 | jnguy[w] | whos home? |
| 03:48.14 | enouf | boston -- still top of the 7th ... 2outs |
| 03:48.18 | jnguy[w] | lol |
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| 03:48.31 | jnguy[w] | I went to a Mets Padres game here, it seemed the padre fans were out numbered. |
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| 03:50.33 | enouf | really ? .... more met's fans are traceling these days I guess - hehe ... Ok - gotta go -- it's been reeeeaaaallll - nice converstation - plus we're way off topic now ... You take care - get great test scores, and don't help pollute the world any further :-) |
| 03:50.44 | enouf | traveling* |
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| 03:50.44 | jnguy[w] | haha |
| 03:50.45 | jnguy[w] | take care. |
| 03:50.59 | enouf | thanks :-) you too |
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| 03:51.50 | odla | to install emacs i want to apt-get emacs21? |
| 03:51.57 | odla | i know apt-get install |
| 03:52.10 | jnguy[w] | apt-get install <packagename> |
| 03:52.14 | odla | i know |
| 03:52.19 | odla | i mean what's the package for emacs called? |
| 03:52.19 | Stevie-O | apt-cache search -n emacs |
| 03:52.26 | odla | cause there are about a bizillion hits for emacs |
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| 03:52.29 | bws42 | probably emacs |
| 03:52.35 | odla | not emacs |
| 03:52.48 | odla | it must be emacs21 |
| 03:53.14 | bws42 | just use vi |
| 03:53.16 | bws42 | :P |
| 03:53.23 | odla | i want to try a new editor |
| 03:53.27 | odla | i've been using vi for a long time |
| 03:53.31 | odla | well vim |
| 03:53.39 | bws42 | why fix what's not broken? |
| 03:53.43 | odla | :) |
| 03:53.48 | odla | everyone raves about emacs and i want to learn it |
| 03:53.53 | bws42 | emacs is evil |
| 03:54.02 | odla | he hah |
| 03:54.06 | cliemac | emacs is evil , thats why its good =) |
| 03:54.11 | petriborg | vim is all anyone ever needs |
| 03:54.17 | PickCoder | fix it until it's broken |
| 03:54.21 | jnguy[w] | nooo |
| 03:54.23 | jnguy[w] | emacs is awesome. |
| 03:54.24 | bws42 | vim can be a bit bloated sometimes, nvi is nice |
| 03:54.32 | jnguy[w] | emacs is bloated. |
| 03:54.43 | jnguy[w] | but, if used properly, eg don't use it for your life, its pretty sweet. |
| 03:55.01 | petriborg | if nvi doesn't break on the millions of systems out there i might agree with you bws |
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| 03:55.21 | bws42 | petriborg really? I've never had a problem with it so far |
| 03:55.23 | PickCoder | XML is bloated, but people still use it <G> |
| 03:55.30 | bws42 | what kind of breaking does it do? |
| 03:55.53 | petriborg | no no i've never used it - i'm saying that if thats the case it might be worth trying |
| 03:56.05 | petriborg | i work on a lot of odd unix systems |
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| 03:56.17 | cliemac | emacs is a handy tool |
| 03:56.18 | bws42 | oooh, gotcha |
| 03:56.24 | petriborg | they cause me heart ache |
| 03:56.26 | petriborg | :-) |
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| 03:56.40 | petriborg | vim i have found to work just about everywhere flawlessly |
| 03:56.56 | bws42 | nvi is just vim, but stripped down, no unicode, really just the basic features |
| 03:56.58 | PickCoder | I hope sco isn't one of them... |
| 03:57.00 | petriborg | arrow keys always work, my macro's always load right etc |
| 03:57.15 | petriborg | does it do highlighted search? |
| 03:57.35 | bws42 | heh, I dunno |
| 03:57.39 | petriborg | lol |
| 03:57.42 | cliemac | cat , set , grep , echo , touch , also can do basic text stuff in a pinch |
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| 03:57.51 | bws42 | I dunno how to do a highlighted search :P |
| 03:58.10 | bws42 | I honestly don't use 99% of vim's features, simply because I don't know about them |
| 03:58.40 | petriborg | yes it can cliemac, but my point is that its enough of a pain in the ass to deal with really old aix systems that if i can get to use vim and *not* have to want to blind myself.... thats a bonus |
| 03:59.08 | bws42 | it was a happy day when I realized 'o' would start inserting on the next line |
| 03:59.14 | petriborg | every box has vi on it, and of course it works... it just isn't always very friendly ... |
| 03:59.20 | petriborg | hah bws |
| 03:59.31 | bws42 | and sadly that was like 5 months ago |
| 03:59.35 | petriborg | highlight search in vim is the command ":set hlsearch" |
| 03:59.46 | bws42 | k, well lemme try real quick in vi |
| 03:59.52 | petriborg | it doesn't work in vi |
| 03:59.56 | petriborg | its a vim thing |
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| 04:00.39 | bws42 | doesn't work in nvi |
| 04:00.53 | petriborg | yeah that would be a deal buster for me |
| 04:00.56 | petriborg | i love hlsearch |
| 04:01.03 | cliemac | my point was , emacs are good , tools are good , use what you can to do the job |
| 04:01.07 | bws42 | I can understand why |
| 04:01.27 | bws42 | I'm fine with no highlighting though |
| 04:01.51 | petriborg | damnit you stare at a screen for 12 hours writing very hard to hack C code and anything that helps make the code easier to grep to the eye.... its my god |
| 04:02.16 | petriborg | you start making a lot of stupid mistakes at that point |
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| 04:02.35 | bws42 | meh, the only thing that would make it easier for me is if people stuck to 80 character lines and respected our coding guidelines |
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| 04:02.36 | dylan_ | Does anyone know of a Free Software atheros driver? |
| 04:02.41 | bws42 | and no fecking tabs |
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| 04:03.10 | petriborg | bws - and that is part of my point as well, they *never* stick to the guidelines |
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| 04:03.38 | bws42 | petriborg meh, some people do |
| 04:03.46 | petriborg | personally i would be happier if they stopped at 76 characters myself ... there are a number of tools that i have to work with that stop working after that |
| 04:03.51 | petriborg | srcdiff ::shudder:: |
| 04:04.06 | bws42 | heh |
| 04:04.11 | petriborg | its a nice enough little xterm hack... but stops working at 76 col wide |
| 04:04.34 | bws42 | my biggest problem is that using cygwin in DOS windows, it's not as easy to resize as an xterm |
| 04:04.34 | mrparanoid | Is there anyway to capture the output of the kernel when its loading after selecting it in grub? |
| 04:04.42 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: madwifi is about as close as you're going to get |
| 04:04.45 | illvarg | hi! i've got a problem when i try to load synaptic, it does not start becuse it can't load libvte.so.4. how do i fix this? |
| 04:04.46 | dondelelcaro | mrparanoid: serial console |
| 04:04.52 | petriborg | and some of the pascal code... dont' get me started... these files are 50k lines long (i'm not lying about that) .... |
| 04:05.00 | dylan_ | dondelelcaro, its proprietary, though. |
| 04:05.00 | struct | bws42: howdy |
| 04:05.06 | bws42 | heh we have a perl module that's 50K lines |
| 04:05.09 | bws42 | sup struct |
| 04:05.11 | myren | dylan_: yeah, talk to the fcc about that |
| 04:05.14 | struct | bws42: not much |
| 04:05.15 | struct | bws42: you? |
| 04:05.18 | dylan_ | myren, ? |
| 04:05.21 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: the HAL is, yes... |
| 04:05.28 | jcreigh | bws42: http://gecko.gc.maricopa.edu/~medgar/puttycyg/ (patched version of PuTTY for use with cygwin) |
| 04:05.33 | bws42 | struct: running awstats on some logs |
| 04:05.36 | petriborg | illvarg -- reinstall the libvte4 package |
| 04:05.39 | myren | dylan_: there's a large chunk of firmware that atheros cannot legally release because it would let you do all sorts of whack shit with a madwifi card |
| 04:05.53 | dylan_ | ah |
| 04:05.59 | dylan_ | but its still considered non-free, right |
| 04:06.00 | myren | fcc requires them not to permit that |
| 04:06.10 | bws42 | err interesting jcreigh |
| 04:06.27 | myren | yeah i think so. pretty sure the binary firmware images are all non-free. |
| 04:06.27 | mrparanoid | cheers dondelelcaro, ill check into seeing what that is exactly |
| 04:06.32 | dondelelcaro | myren: that's actually not quite true, unfortunatly |
| 04:06.34 | Stevie-O | I don't know of any atheros driver at all, free or not |
| 04:06.39 | petriborg | i thoguht there were a number of TV cards that were easily hackable to get rid of macrovision... |
| 04:06.52 | dondelelcaro | myren: since those types of modifications can be done quite easily, firmware or not |
| 04:07.03 | struct | dondelelcaro: awstats? |
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| 04:07.26 | struct | dondelelcaro: sorry wrong nick |
| 04:07.43 | struct | bws42: also nevermind I know awstats |
| 04:08.01 | myren | bypassing milliwatt restrictions is one thing (changing a word somewhere), transcieving non 80211 frames is slightly different |
| 04:08.13 | illvarg | petriborg: didn't work, dpkg -i libvte4 (+common) from cache. is there any other way of doing this? i dont know the command for reinstalling debs via apt-get. |
| 04:08.42 | dondelelcaro | myren: that's only a small part; you can change the frequencies, and a few other nice things... of course, it's not like we don't already have totally software controlled radios anyway |
| 04:08.48 | bcoff | Hi, I have done a few apt-get installs that had consequences, and I would like to see a history of all the packages that got installed and removed. It seems like a simple task, but I can't find it in the docs. Is this possible? -- thanks for help |
| 04:09.04 | myren | dondelelcaro: i'm pretty sure you need to be licensed to purchase premade gnu/radio |
| 04:09.07 | bws42 | struct for my website, tried earlier but it seemed to die after about 80K lines |
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| 04:09.12 | dondelelcaro | myren: nope |
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| 04:09.27 | dondelelcaro | myren: you have to be licensed to use it in a manner which requires a license, but that's something totally different |
| 04:09.35 | myren | fair enough |
| 04:09.50 | struct | bws42: you doing this as just a routine thing or you have some problem with your web server? |
| 04:09.59 | Z_Morek | anyone familiar with nvidia onboard video out to a TV |
| 04:10.08 | dondelelcaro | (that's pretty much how all radios work; I've got radios that can communicate on bands and at power levels that are not legal for me to operate on in this country... I just don't use them in those bands) |
| 04:10.15 | myren | i still remember reading about legal restrictions that would keep atheros from allowing people to have an open firmware because it would be basically a sdr |
| 04:10.24 | bws42 | struct: we didn't have any sort of stats setup yet, he's not familiar with debian, and neither of us cared too much |
| 04:10.58 | bws42 | struct: but he wanted to set it up today so we took a look, I'm just doing the initial imports right now, then I'll worry about a cron job |
| 04:11.06 | Stevie-O | sdr? |
| 04:11.10 | myren | software defined radio |
| 04:11.30 | bws42 | jcreigh: that's damn nifty |
| 04:11.50 | struct | bws42: you heard of webalizer? |
| 04:11.50 | bws42 | I'm going to have to keep that around |
| 04:12.17 | bws42 | struct: we had webalizer on the last server, he didn't really like it much so he wanted to try awstats this time |
| 04:12.41 | struct | bws42: true |
| 04:12.41 | bws42 | struct: I've got google-analytics which is convenient |
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| 04:13.26 | illvarg | sorry, I lost connection. anyone wrote me a answer while i was gone? |
| 04:13.41 | bws42 | nope |
| 04:14.09 | petriborg | don't look at me i'm not google :-) i can't remember |
| 04:14.39 | petriborg | i worked 40 prolly in 3 days |
| 04:14.45 | petriborg | my brain is dead |
| 04:15.13 | Z_Morek | ouch |
| 04:15.31 | Z_Morek | my brain is too dead to calculate how many hours a day that is tho |
| 04:15.57 | Z_Morek | that's what summer laziness will do to a college kid |
| 04:15.57 | jcreigh | 13.3 |
| 04:16.01 | petriborg | heh |
| 04:16.11 | jcreigh | well, 13 + 1/3 |
| 04:16.30 | Z_Morek | as long as you didn't use calculator for that, I can respect that |
| 04:16.37 | petriborg | i suppose i wasn't technically working that whole time... no amount of pepsi was going to make that happen :-) |
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| 04:16.46 | Z_Morek | I tried the braingame thing at walmart on the DS |
| 04:16.49 | bws42 | does the windows calculator count as a calculator? :P |
| 04:16.50 | Z_Morek | you know the cheap brainage |
| 04:17.06 | Z_Morek | they say an average score is like 1200 |
| 04:17.09 | Z_Morek | I got like 600 |
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| 04:17.12 | petriborg | i used bc to figure it out - you want me to do math right now are you kidding? |
| 04:17.13 | jcreigh | Z_Morek: Well, I didn't, but you guys have no way of knowing if I'm lying... |
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| 04:17.36 | Z_Morek | I knew something seemed fishy.... |
| 04:17.44 | Z_Morek | wait |
| 04:17.50 | Z_Morek | yeah |
| 04:17.51 | petriborg | lol |
| 04:17.56 | Z_Morek | I guess I shouldn't be using linux with my retardation |
| 04:18.08 | Z_Morek | it's hard enough for normal people |
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| 04:18.40 | petriborg | lol |
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| 04:19.40 | Z_Morek | my only current issue is x |
| 04:19.53 | petriborg | ok wtf - do anyone watch WWF or WCE or whatever the fuck those shows are? i want to know, why would a woman hump another woman in the corner of the ring? doing basically a croch grind on her face (its a TV ad on USA) |
| 04:20.11 | Z_Morek | you're watching an advertisement? |
| 04:20.15 | bws42 | because it makes her horny? |
| 04:20.23 | Z_Morek | I usually fastforward |
| 04:20.27 | Z_Morek | mythtv suckah |
| 04:20.35 | petriborg | Z, i haven't gotten around to that yet |
| 04:20.47 | Z_Morek | it's the only reason I even made a linux rig |
| 04:20.54 | petriborg | i wonder if i can do mythtv stuff and still use it as a PC |
| 04:20.57 | Z_Morek | if it weren't for that I'd have no motivation to troll around thru command line |
| 04:21.04 | Z_Morek | no shiny medal at the end of the arduous path |
| 04:21.16 | Z_Morek | if you run linux as your primary rig |
| 04:21.18 | Z_Morek | most definitely |
| 04:21.31 | Z_Morek | if you have a dual boot or something.... |
| 04:21.33 | Stevie-O | no shiny medal, just shiny metal |
| 04:21.38 | petriborg | i run linux period :-) |
| 04:21.46 | Stevie-O | linux period? is that a new distro? |
| 04:21.50 | petriborg | heh |
| 04:21.52 | Z_Morek | specially for women |
| 04:22.00 | petriborg | it must be /.'s distro |
| 04:22.01 | Z_Morek | bad joke |
| 04:22.06 | petriborg | boooo z boo |
| 04:22.22 | Z_Morek | petriborg mythtv has a backend that does all the recording as a daemon |
| 04:22.22 | Stevie-O | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html |
| 04:22.40 | Z_Morek | it manages everything in mysql |
| 04:22.59 | Z_Morek | the only thing I'd be concerned about is if you were trying to run something system intensive during a recording |
| 04:23.06 | Z_Morek | if your bus can't handle it |
| 04:23.16 | petriborg | i see what you mean |
| 04:23.17 | Z_Morek | :-( |
| 04:23.33 | Z_Morek | I avoided a via chipset entirely for my mythrig |
| 04:23.38 | Z_Morek | I can watch stuff while it records |
| 04:23.48 | Z_Morek | on a sempron 2500 so like 1.7 ghz |
| 04:24.06 | Z_Morek | never had a huge problem |
| 04:24.14 | Z_Morek | until I migrated to debian and compiled it myself |
| 04:24.21 | Z_Morek | but once it gets up and running it should be good |
| 04:24.30 | petriborg | mine is pretty good i can play MAME games while ripping dvds so it would probably work well enough for me :-) |
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| 04:24.49 | Z_Morek | just go out get a hauppauge tuner card |
| 04:24.56 | Z_Morek | ivtv drivers |
| 04:25.12 | Z_Morek | and then get mythtv |
| 04:25.14 | petriborg | cool i'll have to look into it sometime |
| 04:25.21 | Z_Morek | you'll need a big hard drive |
| 04:25.26 | Z_Morek | let me say from personal experience |
| 04:25.26 | moparisthebest | Im new to setting up webservers, and im trying to "apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5" on debian, it says the package cannot be found, but the same command can be succesfully executed on the kubuntu installation I am running, any reason why? |
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| 04:25.30 | Z_Morek | seinfeld adds up fast |
| 04:25.31 | petriborg | i have those in spades :-) |
| 04:25.39 | myren | the 300gb hard drives are still the best buy sadly |
| 04:25.54 | petriborg | i have 4x200 sata drives |
| 04:26.02 | Z_Morek | moparisthebest: different repositories? |
| 04:26.02 | myren | i've bought 4 over the past 2 years, every single one was $90 - $100. |
| 04:26.05 | petriborg | er 4x200gb |
| 04:26.18 | Z_Morek | petriborg: raid? |
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| 04:26.34 | Z_Morek | I have 1 sata 200gb... :-( |
| 04:26.38 | myren | the 500gb's are $190, la di friggin da. so expensive. :/ |
| 04:26.39 | bws42 | moparisthebest are you using stable/testing/unstable? |
| 04:26.40 | petriborg | no not yet tho thats why i bought them |
| 04:26.51 | moparisthebest | could be, Z_Morek kubuntu says it is in the web repository I believe |
| 04:26.54 | moparisthebest | bws42, stable |
| 04:27.04 | moparisthebest | how would I add a repository? |
| 04:27.09 | Z_Morek | stable tends to be VERY selective of its packages |
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| 04:27.17 | myren | moparisthebest: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:27.18 | Z_Morek | apt.sources |
| 04:27.22 | Z_Morek | yeah that |
| 04:27.22 | bws42 | I think stable only has php4 |
| 04:27.27 | myren | and i'd suggest learning about pinning |
| 04:27.42 | Z_Morek | petriborg which raid setup you goin for? |
| 04:27.45 | Z_Morek | how much redundancy/ |
| 04:27.49 | moparisthebest | thanks, Ill try to work it out |
| 04:27.53 | Z_Morek | or are you gonna be risky and throw caution to the wind! |
| 04:27.54 | myren | pinning allows you to prioritize repositories |
| 04:27.56 | petriborg | right now one is my root, one is my home dirs, one is manual copy and one is for random crap that i've been trying to clean up off my older boxes ... i need to sort through off my other boxes |
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| 04:28.03 | myren | i really really want to setup a 5 drive RAID-Z in my car |
| 04:28.06 | myren | sun ZFS |
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| 04:28.12 | Tallu | moparisthebest: also you might want to read up on backports |
| 04:28.30 | myren | get a low power AMD x2 dual core, run Xen with Solaris Dom0. |
| 04:28.32 | Z_Morek | myren you looking for a hunormous mp3/media player? |
| 04:28.33 | bws42 | I was wrong, stable also has php3 :P |
| 04:28.33 | petriborg | well my neo2 can do only 0,1, and 0+1 raid styles |
| 04:28.42 | grim | anyone able to aid with any suggestions as to how to fix /dev being read only during boot after a dist-upgrade (sid) yesterday which included an update to mkinitramfs ? |
| 04:28.56 | Z_Morek | not I |
| 04:28.58 | petriborg | so i'd need a raid card to anythng else |
| 04:29.00 | moparisthebest | so I would be better off just installing php 4 for my server? |
| 04:29.21 | Z_Morek | debian stable is called stable for a reason |
| 04:29.25 | myren | Z_Morek: sure, plus my pretty massive source code archives & random fileserve stuff |
| 04:29.35 | Z_Morek | if you don't need the newest, get for what stable has moparisthebest |
| 04:29.54 | Z_Morek | myren, why on earth would you need to store crap IN YOUR CAR? |
| 04:30.05 | petriborg | raid is on my list of things to do after getting a KVM and a 2nd LCD to replace my old sony CRT :-) |
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| 04:30.12 | Z_Morek | do you plan on using it as a mobile hard drive you ca just ssh into via sattelite? :-P |
| 04:30.13 | grim | Z_Morek: i actually had to pull some packages out of experimental to get everything working, so don't give me the typical speech... the problem is.. init in the initramfs does not set /dev to read only.. |
| 04:30.15 | moparisthebest | ok, turns out my software only requires php 4 |
| 04:30.20 | moparisthebest | so Ill install that, thanks :) |
| 04:30.28 | myren | Z_Morek: because my car is where i am, or parked by a house i have wifi at. |
| 04:30.39 | Z_Morek | grim, I was taklin to mopar about stable |
| 04:31.03 | grim | Z_Morek: sorry, you didn't address and i didn't see mopar's comment ;) |
| 04:31.23 | Z_Morek | grim: I always forget to address :-\ |
| 04:31.31 | petriborg | that sounds like fun.. |
| 04:31.46 | Z_Morek | actually myren that sounds like a good idea |
| 04:31.59 | myren | Z_Morek: this is me addressing you, it should higlight this line. |
| 04:32.05 | Z_Morek | um |
| 04:32.06 | myren | it being your IRC client |
| 04:32.09 | Z_Morek | I have a shitty client |
| 04:32.12 | Z_Morek | like |
| 04:32.15 | Z_Morek | mIRC |
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| 04:32.24 | Z_Morek | which I'm runnin on windows xp |
| 04:32.31 | petriborg | evil! |
| 04:32.32 | petriborg | :p |
| 04:32.32 | myren | odd that mIRC wouldnt highlight |
| 04:32.39 | myren | thats basically irc scripture |
| 04:32.53 | Z_Morek | I need windoz for mah gamez boy! |
| 04:33.08 | Z_Morek | counterstrike 4 life suckaz |
| 04:33.16 | Z_Morek | but I haven't played in months |
| 04:33.28 | petriborg | yeah i play that CS-S |
| 04:33.30 | Z_Morek | I've mostly been living in putty sshing into my debian rig |
| 04:33.42 | Z_Morek | formerly fc3 |
| 04:33.50 | petriborg | well then i think you might just be time to use more linux :p |
| 04:33.57 | wireddd | what should I set my mtu at on my local network? |
| 04:34.00 | myren | roll out the cygwin |
| 04:34.06 | petriborg | is that one on top of the other? |
| 04:34.10 | Z_Morek | yes |
| 04:34.12 | Z_Morek | yes it is |
| 04:34.14 | odla | !cups |
| 04:34.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 04:34.18 | petriborg | is that like wearing 2 condoms? i don't think thats effective |
| 04:34.22 | Z_Morek | !sex |
| 04:34.23 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 04:34.23 | myren | wireddd: 100bt? 1470. your router probably doesnt support any more. |
| 04:34.39 | wireddd | my router is a linux box |
| 04:34.57 | Z_Morek | my router is a cheap thing I got off newegg |
| 04:35.00 | wireddd | and it is 1000bt |
| 04:35.05 | myren | and all computers its connected to are through crossover? |
| 04:35.07 | Z_Morek | and it is trash |
| 04:35.21 | wireddd | myren, all switched |
| 04:35.23 | myren | the switch will fragment your packet |
| 04:35.26 | petriborg | one of these days i'll stop screwing around and go see if i can't get a different wifi router this dlink one sucks |
| 04:35.33 | myren | fragment packet = performance fuck |
| 04:35.52 | Z_Morek | I have a router which directly connects to my dad's comp and my sis's comp |
| 04:35.55 | Gnea | dlink sucks, period |
| 04:35.59 | myren | 1470 is safe. 1000bt switches sometimes can do more. there are some that'll do 4k, some that do 9k, and cool ones that do like 14-15k. |
| 04:36.07 | petriborg | this was my feeling as well gnea |
| 04:36.08 | Z_Morek | and then my windows and linux rigs are both on a switch going to the router |
| 04:36.08 | odla | ah what's my user name suppose to be on localhost:631/admin? |
| 04:36.17 | Gnea | petriborg: check out belkin |
| 04:36.17 | odla | is it my user name or root? |
| 04:36.20 | wireddd | myren, well my switch is a piece of crap |
| 04:36.35 | Gnea | odla: root |
| 04:36.45 | wireddd | I am just trying to get smbfs to work faster |
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| 04:36.57 | petriborg | why is belkin make better routers? i've never actually heard anyone recommend them before... |
| 04:36.57 | myren | i'm also not sure what influence the computers you are connecting to would have, but i'd wager that sending a MTU > than their capability would cause similar packet fragmentation |
| 04:37.08 | Gnea | wireddd: that's easy, just change the buffer settings in smb.conf |
| 04:37.08 | odla | Gnea: thanks |
| 04:37.35 | Z_Morek | anyone got a recommend for a better irc client in windows than mirc? |
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| 04:37.42 | myren | wireddd: socket options = TCP_NODELAY, IPTOS_LOWDELAY, SO_RCVBUF=8192, SO_SNDBUF=8192 |
| 04:37.47 | Gnea | Z_Morek: xchat |
| 04:37.55 | myren | Z_Morek: irssi |
| 04:38.08 | petriborg | Z_Morek; i just use gaim |
| 04:38.09 | myren | just run cygwin |
| 04:38.16 | petriborg | you could use bitchx |
| 04:38.17 | petriborg | heh |
| 04:38.32 | Gnea | wireddd: and SO_REUSEADDR |
| 04:38.52 | moparisthebest | what would be the best ftp server to install on debian stable? |
| 04:38.53 | myren | oh that would help |
| 04:39.00 | dendrite | moparisthebest: None. |
| 04:39.04 | myren | with lost connections |
| 04:39.12 | Gnea | yup |
| 04:39.17 | petriborg | Gnea: i assume you use that kind of router? |
| 04:39.23 | myren | why didnt i think of that. :/ |
| 04:39.23 | moparisthebest | I need a way to put files on there dendrite |
| 04:39.27 | Gnea | petriborg: i do. it's the bomb. :) |
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| 04:39.33 | dendrite | moparisthebest: sftp, scp. |
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| 04:39.40 | Z_Morek | ahhh bombarded with irc clients |
| 04:39.41 | petriborg | Gnea: why exactly, is it very stable? |
| 04:39.44 | grim | Gnea: nfs, smb, sftp, scp, etc etc etc |
| 04:39.49 | dendrite | moparisthebest: Odds are it's already running. |
| 04:39.49 | Z_Morek | open source leaves too many choices |
| 04:40.00 | petriborg | Z_Morek: choice is good :p |
| 04:40.05 | myren | Z_Morek: install cygwin to get a basic OSS environment on your windows boxen, then run irssi from xterm, like god fucking intended. |
| 04:40.11 | Z_Morek | not hwen you get overwhelmed |
| 04:40.18 | Z_Morek | when I started linux I was dumbfounded |
| 04:40.20 | grim | myren: s/xterm/rxvt/ ;) |
| 04:40.20 | Gnea | petriborg: i've got a 4port switch with the 54g wireless on it, it works well with any kind of wifi nic |
| 04:40.27 | Z_Morek | and then iw as like ok I'll get myth, ummmmm what's easy |
| 04:40.30 | Z_Morek | okay fc |
| 04:40.34 | Z_Morek | and that was just bloated |
| 04:40.41 | moparisthebest | ah, thanks alot dendrite worked great :) |
| 04:40.51 | Z_Morek | so I was like hmmm what's not bloated |
| 04:40.53 | Z_Morek | DEBIAN! |
| 04:41.21 | Gnea | petriborg: i've worked with linksys, dlink, netgear and some other off-name brand before - belkin kicks all their arses |
| 04:41.51 | petriborg | Gnea: hm well i guess i'll have to look into that - i'm going to have a long list of hardware to check out by the end of the night lol |
| 04:42.16 | grim | Z_Morek: you statement is backwards... debian has WAY more packages IN the distrobution than fc ;) |
| 04:42.26 | Gnea | petriborg: check out tom's hardware reviews on hardware as well, they're usually right on 99% of the time |
| 04:42.27 | grim | Z_Morek: it just doesn't install them by default |
| 04:42.51 | petriborg | grim: damn straight, just as god intended :-) |
| 04:43.14 | Z_Morek | grim, you are very right |
| 04:43.16 | Z_Morek | brb |
| 04:43.19 | myren | Gnea: except that 1-2% where they're being bribed by the manufacturer |
| 04:43.19 | odla | fc sucks |
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| 04:43.33 | petriborg | fc like redhat has always sucked |
| 04:43.36 | Gnea | myren: keep the salt shaker handy ;) |
| 04:43.41 | petriborg | heh |
| 04:43.48 | odla | there's only one true distro anyways :) |
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| 04:43.54 | petriborg | gentoo? |
| 04:43.56 | petriborg | lol |
| 04:43.58 | dendrite | xp |
| 04:44.07 | odla | dpkg, gentoosmite petriborg |
| 04:44.07 | petriborg | win3.1? |
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| 04:44.23 | Gnea | OS/2 Warp! |
| 04:44.33 | petriborg | VMS? |
| 04:44.34 | odla | damn Gnea beat me to it |
| 04:44.35 | dendrite | CP/M |
| 04:44.39 | petriborg | heheh |
| 04:44.40 | ZMorek | DOS? |
| 04:44.45 | odla | BASIC |
| 04:45.04 | dendrite | odla: Yeah, ROM BASIC. :-) |
| 04:45.12 | cliemac | ADAM , heh |
| 04:45.14 | petriborg | ENIAC?! |
| 04:45.19 | Gnea | TI994/A BASIC |
| 04:45.28 | ZMorek | I got nothin |
| 04:45.29 | dendrite | cliemac: Ah, ADAM. That brings back memories... |
| 04:45.33 | Gnea | with cassette tapes for storage |
| 04:45.37 | cliemac | Plan9 |
| 04:45.40 | petriborg | heh |
| 04:45.41 | cliemac | TRS80 |
| 04:45.44 | cliemac | hehe |
| 04:45.51 | petriborg | the game of naming off strange as old computers |
| 04:45.56 | freakzoid0223 | i had a trs-80 model 100 |
| 04:45.57 | odla | damn i missed the national :/ |
| 04:46.02 | Gnea | punch cards |
| 04:46.04 | Gnea | ;) |
| 04:46.14 | petriborg | no one has mentioned multics yet tho :p |
| 04:46.18 | odla | punch cards for germany ... good ol' ibm |
| 04:46.25 | cliemac | Yeah the good ole , wait a hour for oregon trail to run hehe |
| 04:46.28 | tenthirteen | heh cassette tapes.. waiting for both sides of a 90-min tape for space invaders on my atari 800xl |
| 04:46.29 | ZMorek | LISA? |
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| 04:46.44 | odla | oregon trail was great...hunting was the best |
| 04:46.56 | Gnea | kings quest 4 baby :D |
| 04:46.57 | dendrite | Coherent. |
| 04:47.06 | ZMorek | descent |
| 04:47.10 | ZMorek | the original descent |
| 04:47.11 | PickCoder | I have kings quest on 5.25" around here somewhere |
| 04:47.13 | Gnea | oooo |
| 04:47.13 | odla | monkey island |
| 04:47.19 | petriborg | descent was crap |
| 04:47.21 | ZMorek | where the graphics were 3 but not really and you had no fucking clue what was going on |
| 04:47.24 | ZMorek | 3d* |
| 04:47.26 | petriborg | monkey island now that was a quality game |
| 04:47.35 | Gnea | descent 2 was pretty good, though |
| 04:47.37 | ZMorek | warcraft? |
| 04:47.40 | PickCoder | the 360 engine was a first in Descent |
| 04:47.45 | PickCoder | sorta |
| 04:47.54 | ZMorek | I'm sure there were more before it |
| 04:47.57 | Gnea | well, they made a linux port anyway lol |
| 04:48.03 | ZMorek | just not popular |
| 04:48.07 | PickCoder | like world mod was introduced in Red Faction 1 |
| 04:49.56 | ZMorek | they put out a mod for generals that modded back to the original C&C |
| 04:50.12 | ZMorek | which pretty much only ran on windows9* |
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| 04:50.19 | ZMorek | xp can't run it |
| 04:50.33 | ZMorek | but anyways |
| 04:50.35 | Tallu | Here we go. Running etch now. :) |
| 04:50.46 | ZMorek | anyone wanna help me out with my garbage xorg.conf |
| 04:50.54 | ZMorek | shell runs fine |
| 04:51.10 | ZMorek | but when I startx it either runs partial screen |
| 04:51.33 | grim | btw, if anyone comes in with the same issue i was having (udev failing to start because /dev/ is mounted read-only in init in the initramfs) it's documented here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383555 |
| 04:51.35 | ZMorek | or at SMALL screen res's with HUGE type |
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| 04:52.59 | dendrite | ZMorek: Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 04:53.45 | ZMorek | dendrite: it gives me some garbage about x being customized |
| 04:54.29 | dendrite | ZMorek: Ah. You'll have to re-write the md5. |
| 04:55.08 | dendrite | ZMorek: Instructions on how to do that should be in the comments near the top of the xorg.conf file. |
| 04:56.04 | ZMorek | to the SSH! |
| 04:56.19 | Gnea | grim: noted :) |
| 04:57.53 | ZMorek | dendrite: it's not in the xorg.conf file |
| 04:58.22 | dendrite | ZMorek: OK, it goes like this: cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom; md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:58.55 | ZMorek | dendrite: thanks |
| 04:59.15 | dendrite | ZMorek: That xorg.conf.md5sum doesn't agree with what you have now, so dpkg-reconfigure complains. |
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| 05:06.41 | ZMorek | dendrite: the problem was actually with X and after copying the md5 for x |
| 05:06.43 | ZMorek | it still didn't work |
| 05:07.06 | dendrite | ZMorek: What didn't work? |
| 05:07.14 | ZMorek | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:07.27 | ZMorek | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 05:07.27 | ZMorek | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.52 | dendrite | ZMorek: I wonder if there's anything in BTS. |
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| 05:11.19 | ZMorek | no clue |
| 05:11.29 | ZMorek | dendrite: to be honest, I've never reported a bug |
| 05:11.35 | ZMorek | most times the error is in my own fault and not the system |
| 05:11.52 | dendrite | ZMorek: You can search the bugs... |
| 05:12.01 | ZMorek | heh oops |
| 05:12.50 | grim | i love how the source packages on mentors.d.o "worked" for some people, but wanted the old kernel headers for me, and after a force, failed to build... oh well quick dirty hack and my laptop is usable again :) |
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| 05:16.03 | ZMorek | I love how the debian channel is the only channel I ever go in where people are actually talking |
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| 05:21.12 | liable | now look what you done! |
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| 05:24.06 | struct | what did he do? |
| 05:24.57 | dendrite | struct: He said "people are actually talking" -- so everybody shut up. =) |
| 05:25.29 | ZMorek | I tend to do that |
| 05:25.41 | ZMorek | especially when I ask a question |
| 05:25.53 | ZMorek | either the conversation has so much momentum I get run over |
| 05:25.55 | ZMorek | or it just dies |
| 05:26.02 | ZMorek | especially in smaller channels |
| 05:26.05 | ZMorek | noone responds |
| 05:26.12 | ZMorek | like #ivtv |
| 05:26.16 | ZMorek | there's like 15 people there |
| 05:27.15 | jelly-home | !tell ZMorek -about enter |
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| 05:30.59 | shaleh | after some period of time, I lose the ability to start new X apps. All I get is perm denied from DISPLAY 0.0 |
| 05:31.03 | shaleh | anyone seen this? |
| 05:31.21 | shaleh | apps run as user from an existing term (say rxvt) |
| 05:31.32 | shaleh | using etch |
| 05:31.39 | shaleh | just installed from the new DVDs |
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| 05:31.53 | shaleh | install went well, even detects the wireless during the install |
| 05:34.10 | dragonfly | i'm using sarge |
| 05:34.43 | ZMorek | jelly-home I'm used to aim :-\ |
| 05:38.52 | ZMorek | I used netinstall |
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| 05:48.34 | Tallu | Hmm I have a xp 1700+, should I go for the K7 then? |
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| 05:59.20 | SquareGuy | setting up a server with 5 320gb hard drives with software raid 5. primarily for large files, whats is a good chunk/block size? |
| 06:00.43 | SquareGuy | everyone asleep? |
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| 06:11.24 | peterrus | hello |
| 06:11.29 | lilo | hi |
| 06:11.39 | peterrus | i still have my problem but i know some more stuff now so: |
| 06:12.04 | peterrus | i have installed the xorg-xserver package and the x-window-system-core package, |
| 06:13.28 | peterrus | now x starts and stuff, no problem, but i seem to not have the 100dpi and the 75 dpi and almost all other fonts i need. for example all fluxbox title bars are giant because of the standard font which is used by x because i dont have another, and the standard font is huge |
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| 06:27.20 | cooner750 | Having some troubles with FTP |
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| 06:28.29 | odla | what kind of problems? can you be a bit more specific |
| 06:29.08 | cooner750 | I installed and configured proftpd with TLS and it connects fine (although there is about a 10-15 second delay when connecting), and I am able to upload files the /var/www (the home folder of the proftp user), but I have phpbb installed in /forums (actually /var/www/forums, but I see it as /forums), and if I try to upload a folder to the /templates folder I get "Permission denied" |
| 06:29.15 | peterrus | well, this is some stuff from my Xorg log: channels.debian.net/paste/3490, dont know if anyone wants to take a look at it. because i think this isnt a really difficult thing |
| 06:30.35 | odla | peterrus: have you run 'apt-get install xorg' ? |
| 06:30.45 | odla | looks like you don't have the fonts |
| 06:30.51 | cooner750 | I had to do sudo chmod proftp /var/www to change the ownership(?) of /var/www to the user proftp as it would be the only user using it anyway |
| 06:30.58 | cooner750 | Er |
| 06:30.59 | cooner750 | chown |
| 06:31.02 | cooner750 | sorry |
| 06:31.03 | peterrus | adlo no, i did did apt-get install xserver-xorg and apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 06:31.07 | peterrus | lets try it then |
| 06:31.15 | odla | peterrus: that should solve your problem |
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| 06:31.27 | cahoot | peterrus: it looks like a purely cosmetic matter |
| 06:31.39 | odla | he he |
| 06:31.43 | peterrus | xorg is already the newest version. |
| 06:31.47 | peterrus | oh no |
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| 06:31.59 | cooner750 | I assume I have e permissions problem on my hands, but I am not sure where to start |
| 06:32.00 | peterrus | but it sais 2 not upgraded |
| 06:32.01 | odla | what about the xorg font packages? are they installed |
| 06:32.13 | peterrus | whats their name? |
| 06:32.35 | odla | ah hang on |
| 06:32.39 | peterrus | :) |
| 06:32.53 | cahoot | peterrus: since the log tells it uses the fonts they are installed |
| 06:32.58 | peterrus | :o |
| 06:33.08 | peterrus | but it also sais they are not there? |
| 06:33.21 | peterrus | because when i go to that directory there is nothing there |
| 06:33.25 | cahoot | peterrus: no - only not in the old places |
| 06:33.31 | peterrus | i see |
| 06:33.40 | peterrus | and do i have to correct this?\ |
| 06:33.40 | cooner750 | Anyone ever heard of a problem like mine before? |
| 06:33.46 | cahoot | peterrus: it looks like a purely cosmetic matter |
| 06:33.52 | peterrus | cooner750, try to change all permissions? |
| 06:34.18 | cooner750 | peterrus: How, exactly. And can I change permissions through FTP? |
| 06:34.18 | peterrus | cahoot, yes? so what can i do. my fonts are giant because they are the only ones available i think |
| 06:34.30 | peterrus | cooner750, with chown and chmod |
| 06:34.46 | odla | how can i monitor the temperature of my laptop? i'm running xfce |
| 06:34.57 | peterrus | odla, dont say its a thinkpad |
| 06:35.03 | cooner750 | I assume that chown dosent contain the sub-directories then? |
| 06:35.06 | odla | it's a inspiron 1100 |
| 06:35.10 | cooner750 | When I just did it on /var/www |
| 06:35.11 | peterrus | cooner750, chown -R |
| 06:35.20 | cooner750 | Ah, I forgot that. Anyway I can run that remotely? |
| 06:35.28 | peterrus | if you are root, i guess so |
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| 06:35.37 | peterrus | odla, see about the i2c project |
| 06:36.01 | cooner750 | Hmm I can login on root using FTP, but is that a good idea? I assume the 10 second or so delay is because of the TLS connection? |
| 06:36.04 | peterrus | cahoot, do i have to make symlink or stuff? |
| 06:36.19 | peterrus | cooner750, where is that server? next to you? |
| 06:36.34 | cahoot | peterrus: no - what dpi does xdpyinfo report? |
| 06:36.44 | cooner750 | peterrus: No, at my aunt's house, |
| 06:37.09 | DocOC | cooner750, no, ftp'ing as root is definitely not a good idea. |
| 06:37.26 | peterrus | cahoot, alot, do i have pase it? |
| 06:37.32 | peterrus | to paste* |
| 06:37.42 | peterrus | cooner750, what about ssh? |
| 06:37.55 | cooner750 | Is SSH by any way enabled by default? and what port does it ues? |
| 06:37.57 | cooner750 | use*? |
| 06:38.00 | peterrus | cooner750, it isnt |
| 06:38.03 | cooner750 | Hmm |
| 06:38.22 | peterrus | you better go there and make ssh work so you can do all you want from your home pc, and its safe |
| 06:38.25 | DocOC | cooner750 you need to install it. port 22 is default, but it is a good idea to change that. |
| 06:38.29 | peterrus | although, much safer |
| 06:38.47 | cooner750 | proftpd is also disconnecting me quite quickly, in about a minute of inactivity. I think proftpd needs more configuration |
| 06:38.50 | cahoot | peterrus: xdpyinfo|grep reso |
| 06:38.50 | peterrus | DocOC, nothing escapes nmap |
| 06:39.05 | cooner750 | then again this FTP program I am using is horribly bad |
| 06:39.23 | peterrus | resolution: 100x100 dots per inch <-- thats all whats being spit out |
| 06:39.38 | DocOC | peterrus: I agree, but there is no harm in obscuring a bit. |
| 06:39.57 | peterrus | DocOC, you are right :) newbies dont know what nmap is |
| 06:40.24 | cahoot | peterrus: is that what you expected - judging from screen size and resolution? |
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| 06:41.07 | peterrus | cahoot, its a small laptop screen, and with slackware i dint have this problem, my fonts where just tiny, like they where ment to be, the resolution is 800x600 |
| 06:41.12 | DocOC | good use of /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny and a decent iptables script wouldn't hurt none either. |
| 06:41.31 | Debianewb | Hey, can someone help me, back when I had sarge I could make it so it 'draws' the windows while dragging and resizing no problem, but I had to turn it on in etch because when I have it set to draw it moves laggy, anyone know why?? |
| 06:41.55 | peterrus | Debianewb, bad video drivers? |
| 06:41.59 | cooner750 | Hmm, unsure of what to do until I can get over there to the server tomorrow |
| 06:42.03 | Debianewb | It was the same as in sarge |
| 06:42.42 | Debianewb | I was thinking the xorg move |
| 06:42.52 | mrparanoid | is there a page which explains the difference between the 2.4 and 2.6 series kernels? |
| 06:42.53 | Debianewb | something changed and now it cant draw for me |
| 06:43.11 | peterrus | mrparanoid, enough, google |
| 06:43.19 | DocOC | Debianewb: many things about display have changed from sarge to etch. xorg instead of xfree, new kernel, etc... We need to be a bit patient for the xorg project to solidify a bit. |
| 06:43.25 | cooner750 | The option "Send Custom Command.." and then sudo chown -r proftp /var/www says "500 SUDO not understood". Well I gave it a try lol |
| 06:43.43 | peterrus | cooner750, lol, sudo on ftp |
| 06:43.45 | Debianewb | sorry to be a whiner, but moving it with just borders is really ugly |
| 06:43.56 | Debianewb | I dont know why they wouldnt make xfree86 still availible |
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| 06:44.05 | Debianewb | available* |
| 06:44.08 | DocOC | Debianewb: however, you may be able to simply adjust your /etc/X11/xorg.conf a bit to help. |
| 06:44.14 | cooner750 | It's sending NOOP requests and recieving responses, whatever those are |
| 06:44.33 | Debianewb | DocOC: Sorry im not in it atm, but can you explain so I can write it down, or do you have a link? |
| 06:44.35 | Guerin | beer++ |
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| 06:44.48 | peterrus | Guerin, coffee++ |
| 06:44.53 | peterrus | !beer |
| 06:44.53 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 06:44.58 | cooner750 | hmm I doubt I'd be able to upload the theme to /var/www and then move it to /var/www/forums/templates |
| 06:45.14 | DocOC | Debianewb: I don't know anything about your video card, or if you have any errors in Xorg.0.log, those two bits of info would help alot. |
| 06:45.28 | DocOC | !beer peterrus |
| 06:45.38 | peterrus | cooner750, just get ssh on the server, it will really makke you happy |
| 06:45.43 | peterrus | dpkg, tnx mate |
| 06:45.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, mate! You've just made the life of your keyboard one keystroke longer! |
| 06:45.47 | Debianewb | DocOC: It's an integrated VIA Unichrome, and there is no errors to be found |
| 06:45.58 | Tallu | uhm, I'd like to install the latest kernel, I know this has to be done manually.. so does anyone have a decent page to read up on it, or does dpkg have anything set on it? I managed to compile one but couldn't for some reason change the arch I think |
| 06:46.08 | DocOC | mmm, Yuengling Lager and fresh-squeezed lemonade, now that's what summer's all about. |
| 06:46.16 | peterrus | :p |
| 06:46.17 | Guerin | peterrus: coffee in the omrning, beer at night |
| 06:46.25 | Guerin | or in the words of frank black |
| 06:46.27 | peterrus | Guerin, well its morning here |
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| 06:46.36 | Guerin | at night I want my coffee, in the morning i want my dope |
| 06:46.44 | cooner750 | i |
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| 06:46.49 | peterrus | cahoot, is there something to do about it? |
| 06:47.02 | peterrus | !dope |
| 06:47.03 | dpkg | i heard dope is ot u |
| 06:47.06 | DocOC | Debianewb: in the "Device" section of xorg.conf, what does it say for "Driver"? |
| 06:47.08 | Debianewb | DocOC: If I run sarge until etch becomes stable, can I just upgrade to all etch packages besides X? |
| 06:47.09 | cooner750 | I'm amazed at how much faster Debian runs on a 2.2Ghz AMD Athlon XP than Windows does |
| 06:47.26 | peterrus | cooner750, of course it does :) |
| 06:47.29 | Debianewb | DocOC: I think I tried VGA VIA VESA |
| 06:47.34 | peterrus | !windows |
| 06:47.34 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 06:47.46 | cooner750 | Lol |
| 06:48.21 | Tallu | Opening windows is usually a bad idea as it lets the magic smoke out.. |
| 06:48.25 | peterrus | !dope peterrus |
| 06:48.29 | peterrus | hmm |
| 06:48.31 | DocOC | Debianewb: all with the same results? |
| 06:48.40 | Debianewb | DocOC: yeppers |
| 06:48.44 | peterrus | !coffee peterrus |
| 06:48.47 | peterrus | great |
| 06:48.57 | DocOC | as I was saying the other day, someone needs to impliment a !scotch command for dpkg. |
| 06:49.03 | Guerin | !tranquilise peterrus |
| 06:49.15 | peterrus | yuhuuu... |
| 06:49.21 | cooner750 | I'm still debating on whether or not to free up the Athlon and put Debian on an old PII 233 Mhz MMX and run Apache, PHP, MySQL, & FTP on it. Can it handle that? I'd need to run Java on it too for Wildfire Jabber server, unless someone could give me a really easy guide on how to setup ejabberd |
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| 06:49.43 | Guerin | cooner750: cpu is far less relevant than ram |
| 06:50.01 | Guerin | cooner750: and even so, unless you have an incredibly popular site, it'll be 99% idle |
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| 06:50.53 | Guerin | cooner750: if you insist on running javaware you need to about triple the amount of ram you think you need |
| 06:50.53 | pourriture_ | hint for popular site ... Guerin's nads .... for all to see |
| 06:50.55 | DocOC | java is the stupidest crappiest computing concept. |
| 06:51.08 | cooner750 | I'm not certain how much memory that 233 board can handle. It has 2 SDRAM slots and 4 72 Pin SIMM slots. All it has is a sticker on it that says "MATSONIC" |
| 06:51.10 | Guerin | DocOC: concept is fine. It's the reality which sucks. |
| 06:51.28 | Guerin | let's be serious: ram is cheap and is going to get cheaper, so who needs to go easy on it? |
| 06:51.52 | cooner750 | SIMM 72-Pin can be had really cheap, all I own of SIMM memory to my name is a single 8MB stick |
| 06:51.56 | peterrus | Guerin, maybe his goal is to spend 0 money |
| 06:52.18 | peterrus | cooner750, should be more than enough :p |
| 06:52.20 | Guerin | i am very familiar with that goal |
| 06:52.26 | peterrus | good :) |
| 06:52.29 | cooner750 | I've always wanted to put one of these really old machines back to use for something |
| 06:52.42 | cooner750 | one already has been, the 300Mhz HP is running Smoothwall |
| 06:52.42 | DocOC | Guerin: no, the concept sucks. they took a terrible half-kludge oo language and tried to improve it by crippling it and forcing it to eat all memory not allocated to the kernel. |
| 06:52.46 | peterrus | cooner750, i am typing this on a 11 year old thinkpad |
| 06:53.00 | Guerin | i have a 486 dx4-100 here |
| 06:53.07 | peterrus | !java sucks |
| 06:53.07 | dpkg | Hell, yeah! |
| 06:53.11 | pourriture_ | Guerin, my main server for my company (my company = me + the wife) is a quad pii xeon (450 apiece) and 2.5 gigs of ram ... the whole setup cost $185 |
| 06:53.26 | peterrus | cheap |
| 06:53.31 | Guerin | that will serve bags of web and file |
| 06:54.28 | cooner750 | If I do ever get enough memory for that old 233 board, what do I do when I install Debian? I'm going to do Netinst for sure, but do I select "Web Server" or just install the only packages I need manually? It will be hard for me to setup everything without a GUI though |
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| 06:54.49 | pourriture_ | the thing for any linux geek to do is to look on ebay for a broker that is selling off-lease 3 year old servers ... dirt cheap and plenty of power |
| 06:55.18 | cooner750 | lately i've been hunting around for like an old Dell Optiplex (beige-box model) around 500-600Mhz or so |
| 06:55.19 | peterrus | cooner750, it wont, you will learn it. just read up about it alot and install the webserver package i think and some other stuff |
| 06:56.00 | Tallu | Yeah I'm actually feeling sorry about getting rid of my 233mhz computer with 700mb ram |
| 06:56.08 | cooner750 | ejabberd seems the hardest. I run a Jabber server (although about only 7 users), that runs on Wildfire currently, that's Java based. Simply beause ejabberd seems too hard for me to setup, for some reason |
| 06:56.09 | peterrus | Tallu, omg |
| 06:56.10 | Guerin | cooner750: if installing packages without a gui is hard, you have exactly 0 business running a web server |
| 06:56.13 | Tallu | I think I'll buy a new one soon.. I really liked it. Only problem was that it was loud |
| 06:56.15 | DocOC | cooner750 you should be able to get something like that for the price of shipping. In fact, some people might pay you to take it off their hands. |
| 06:56.21 | Guerin | let alone a fucking java jabberd |
| 06:56.22 | Tallu | I upgraded it to a 1,4ghz 2gbit ram server |
| 06:56.33 | Tallu | peterrus: I know.. I think I'll get it back and install it as a firewall/router or something :) |
| 06:56.44 | peterrus | Tallu, that would be cool :) |
| 06:56.47 | cooner750 | My dedicated server was a PIII 1Ghz w/ 512MB RAM that the hard drive failed in |
| 06:56.52 | pourriture_ | Tallu, you think the computer that you love is loud ... just get married |
| 06:57.04 | pourriture_ | then you will know looud |
| 06:57.10 | Tallu | peterrus: then again the 1,4 ghz has so much resources spare that I could do it with that one too |
| 06:57.21 | cooner750 | I'd amazed at how fast Smoothwall is able to run and handle high-speed |
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| 06:57.25 | cooner750 | internet to 5 computers |
| 06:57.26 | Tallu | pourriture_: hahah well I've been dating for around 4 years so.. I think I'm getting the picture ;) |
| 06:57.38 | cooner750 | one of which is the server |
| 06:57.43 | peterrus | Tallu, set up a 27mc recording centre and monitor everything that goes over the ether |
| 06:58.05 | pourriture_ | cooner750, have you looked at ipcop? |
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| 06:58.35 | DocOC | cooner750, router/firewall stuff is no sweat on debian. you could run that sort of stuff on a 486 with 32 megs of ram. |
| 06:58.41 | Tallu | peterrus: not such a bad idea |
| 06:58.46 | DocOC | s/debian/linux/ |
| 06:58.48 | Tallu | I think I'll go grab one of those computers next week |
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| 06:59.08 | pourriture_ | cooner750, I have a 4 point vpn on ipcop with JUNK hardware ....... and it runs great |
| 06:59.26 | cooner750 | Like someone mentioned in I think #hardware once, "I'd like to stand outside one of those computer recycling places and pretend I'm a worker and take the old computers" |
| 06:59.27 | peterrus | Tallu, i got me a complete 27mc transeiver, for free, it was just standing there to be thrown away, just need an antenna, 5 dollars on that one |
| 06:59.31 | Tallu | I also need to buy a new dsl modem. I was thinking of setting it as bridging so it wont have to deal with routing.. the one I have gets messed up on routing very fast |
| 06:59.45 | pourriture_ | cooner750, and road warrior von with OpenVPN |
| 06:59.55 | peterrus | cooner750, no one stops you from doing that |
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| 07:00.41 | Tallu | peterrus: I'll just have to buy a new case and cpu fan for it to make it silent. or maybe water cooling.. I dont know. :) |
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| 07:02.45 | cooner750 | Well, I am going to start my hunt for 72-pin simm memory. I might as well try like 4 64MB sticks in all 4 slots and see what it does. Whether it accepts it or not. 256MB ought to be enough. I dont know about the 2 SDRAM slots it has. I dont think you can have memory in both, you have to use one or the other |
| 07:03.22 | cooner750 | I can, however, if PC100 memory will work in (those are most likely PC66) a PC66 board, I have 2 128MB PC100 sticks |
| 07:03.35 | pourriture_ | cooner750, I have a 32-meg simm on my keychain :) |
| 07:03.53 | cooner750 | The only SIMM stick I can find (at least) is 8Mb lol |
| 07:04.17 | pourriture_ | cooner750, I use it as a boxcutter |
| 07:04.23 | cooner750 | I know I have more either in old machines laying somewhere, or buried in my mess off a room |
| 07:04.32 | cooner750 | of |
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| 07:05.07 | cooner750 | hmm I'm not sure about that. That's the only board I've ever seen that has both SIMM and SDRAM slots. I wonder if you can use both at once... |
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| 07:06.22 | cooner750 | First I need to get some thermal paste, a Socket 7 heatsink, and a fan for that. It's missing a heatsink and fan, it was when I got it. |
| 07:11.53 | karsten | cooner750: You might want to dig up the mfr's manual on that. I'm thinking probably not. |
| 07:12.00 | karsten | cooner750: WRT mixing RAM. |
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| 07:13.42 | DocOC | cooner750: that's going to depend entirely on the mobo. I had one that took both simm and dimm, but you couldn't have a dimm in slot 1 and a simm in slot one at the same time (had to stagger) |
| 07:14.05 | karsten | cooner750: What's the mobo? |
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| 07:16.19 | DocOC | maybe this will help: http://users.bestweb.net/~bennetc/holistic.html |
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| 07:16.38 | jatt | #ubuntu |
| 07:17.14 | jatt | C-x C-z makes xterm hang. is this a bug? |
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| 07:18.19 | DocOC | jatt: are you using emacs or something within that xterm? |
| 07:18.51 | karsten | jatt: C-z == stop |
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| 07:19.19 | karsten | jatt: Hrm... |
| 07:19.29 | jatt | DocOC: no, I use make use of emacs fairy intensively though, so sometimes I type C-x C-z on an xterm for mistake. It makes xterm hang, I want to understand whay is so. |
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| 07:19.43 | jatt | s/whay/why |
| 07:20.02 | peterrus | well i made symlink from /usr/share/fonts/X11 to /usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/X11/ but that doesnt work :( |
| 07:20.07 | DocOC | jatt: maybe your shell is catching ctrl-z and doing something with it. In zsh, it starts 'predict mode' |
| 07:20.09 | jatt | karsten: ok C-z stops the xterm process I guess, how can I unblock it? |
| 07:20.25 | karsten | jatt: Which xterm? xterm itself? For my rxvt-unicode, that enters a different input (ISO/keycap picture insert) mode. |
| 07:20.25 | jatt | DocOC: I am using bash |
| 07:20.42 | karsten | jatt: I don't have xterm installed, one sec. |
| 07:20.55 | DocOC | jatt: I can't reproduce the problem... |
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| 07:21.04 | karsten | jatt: What's your locale? |
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| 07:23.09 | jatt | DocOC: sorry I meant: C-x C-s |
| 07:23.21 | jatt | DocOC: could you reproduce it with C-x C-s ? |
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| 07:24.31 | DocOC | jatt: ahh, ctrl-s is "suspend" |
| 07:24.51 | peterrus | someone can help me? i really need to fix these fonts or else X is totally unusable, and i have to return to slackware on this laptop.. which i wouldnt like |
| 07:25.00 | jatt | DocOC: oh I see! How do I resume? |
| 07:25.13 | DocOC | jatt: that I don't remember :( ... |
| 07:25.17 | jatt | DocOC: or get out from the suspend state |
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| 07:25.28 | jatt | DocOC: :) |
| 07:25.48 | cooner750 | The mobo is a typical AT(?) style mobo with the processor slot (Socket 7) in the lower left corner, SDRAM slots (as far as I can tell, they are black.. if that matters) at the very top, 2, and 4 SIMM slots under that, along with a DIN keyboard connection, serial & parallel headers, etc... It has a blue sticker that says "MATSONIC" on it and that's all I can tell |
| 07:26.07 | cooner750 | ISA & PCI slots |
| 07:26.09 | jatt | karsten: my locale is LANG=en_US |
| 07:26.45 | jatt | I am looking now the xterm man page for information about suspend |
| 07:27.01 | cooner750 | 2 IDE headers and 1 floppy interface |
| 07:27.10 | DocOC | jatt: got it, ctrl-q |
| 07:27.32 | cooner750 | If I do use it, it will sit on top of smoothwall, it isn't in a case, it's just attached to the metal tray |
| 07:27.59 | cooner750 | one of the metal riser things was loose and I had to tighten it |
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| 07:28.36 | peterrus | cooner750, so you can run a server at your aunt's ? wish i was that lucky :( |
| 07:28.57 | jatt | DocOC: great! is it in the xterm man page? that's cool now I can make the mistake to (incorrectly) save an xterm with the C-x C-s emacs key sequence ;) |
| 07:29.14 | karsten | jatt: Just for shins'n'grits, try launching xterm with 'LANG=C xterm' |
| 07:29.15 | liable | how do i clear something I exported? |
| 07:29.36 | cooner750 | Yea, I have my own room at my aunt's (I'm 13), that contains, 1 P4 1.5Ghz (the emachine, the one with the dead hard drive), a 300Mhz HP Kayak (free), that runs Smoothwall, a 5 port Linksys Etherfast switch, and the Toshiba cable modem (Time Warner's Road Runner internet) |
| 07:29.38 | DocOC | jatt: I don't think it has anything to do with xterm. I believe a console will act the same way. You might have to read the getty man page or something. |
| 07:29.39 | karsten | liable: environment variable? |
| 07:29.42 | karsten | liable: unset |
| 07:29.48 | cooner750 | and of course, right now the 2.2Ghz Athlon that is being used as the server |
| 07:29.48 | liable | karsten: yeah, ta |
| 07:30.05 | peterrus | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.25 | jatt | karsten: I reproduced my mistake with LANG=C xterm, C-x C-z blocks, C-q resumes the xterm, so I think is locale independant |
| 07:30.43 | karsten | jatt: That sounds like flow control. |
| 07:31.02 | karsten | jatt: C-q is resume. C-s is usually stop. Not sure what C-x / C-z have to do with it. |
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| 07:31.19 | deadcat_ | karsten: you showing up tomorrow? |
| 07:31.27 | karsten | deadcat_: cabal? |
| 07:31.34 | karsten | deadcat_: ... or picnix? |
| 07:31.41 | deadcat_ | karsten: no cabal. picnic |
| 07:31.47 | jatt | karsten: sorry I misstyped again. I meant C-s |
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| 07:31.48 | deadcat_ | cabal is picnic tomorrow |
| 07:32.02 | jatt | karsten: yes, the C-x is not needed to stop |
| 07:32.17 | karsten | jatt: Yeah, C-s will definitely do that. I'm not sure where it's wired in, but that's a very old-school flow-control feature. |
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| 07:32.25 | DocOC | that was strange. |
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| 07:33.01 | karsten | jatt: I think it's in shell. |
| 07:33.08 | cooner750 | peterrus: Do you have a high speed 'net connection? Should get ahold of an old box and run Debian on it.. Those tiny form factor PC's seem like a good choice if space is a concern, sit it under your router. There's a small computer (maybe 10" wide?) at a local grocery store here that is just sitting under the counter. No clue what processor it could have, but it would be nice to have either way I bet |
| 07:33.58 | DocOC | karsten: if it's a property of the shell, it's a property of all shells. |
| 07:34.17 | cooner750 | My room is literally crammed full of stuff, Smoothwall is sitting on the floor in the corner buried under a pile of junk |
| 07:34.19 | karsten | DocOC: It's a property of something. It's got to be terminal, shell, or kernel. |
| 07:34.36 | DocOC | karsten: I'm thinking getty |
| 07:34.36 | peterrus | cooner750, no problem, i can even build a server in a footbal, but the problem is that my parents wont allow me to run a server all day, and they put a time switch on the router, redicoulous, at half past ten all internet down. really ridicoulous |
| 07:34.46 | peterrus | if one would install X and fluxbox manually, how would one do that? because i think i may have forgotten something. |
| 07:34.51 | karsten | DocOC: getty's got nothing to do with an X terminal. |
| 07:34.55 | jatt | karsten: probably I am checking the bash man page but in a quick read it claims "To find other matching entries in the history list, type Control-S or Control-R as appropriate." I.e. that key combination is only used to navigate the history in history mode |
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| 07:35.33 | jatt | DocOC: in a tty I can reproduce the problem (i.e. in the console) |
| 07:35.33 | cooner750 | peterrus: Yea, that is quite bad.. my parents (more my mom) are over-protective, but I find that since the router dosent support that, I'm safe |
| 07:36.13 | cooner750 | my aunt dosent really care, the only side effect of running 2 machines 24/7 in that little room is the temperature. It get's really hot in there quick and I cant leave the window A/C on all night |
| 07:36.21 | karsten | jatt: Right, C-r is recursive reverse history search (readline). |
| 07:36.55 | peterrus | cooner750, every router supports that, i have full access to it, but they put a physical timer on it, you know, and i am not gonna unplug it as i am not badass. so your aunt pays all the energy bills and stuff? hehe |
| 07:37.02 | DocOC | jatt: yep, I knew that. |
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| 07:37.58 | karsten | jatt: Reading a reference (SSH draft spec, what Google drug in), reference is to "pseudoterm", which suggests this may be an attribute of pty which is then a device driver, or kernel. |
| 07:38.03 | cooner750 | peterrus: Yea, my grandma & aunt live there, my grandma pays the bills, actually with 4 window A/C units (one big one, like 25,000BTU) and 3 computers running, the electric bill isn't that bad, probably because all of the appliances (dryer, water heater, furnace,) are all gas |
| 07:38.05 | peterrus | one day that router is gonna say poof |
| 07:38.10 | DocOC | karsten: you're right. but what do an xterm and console have in common, on a primitive level? |
| 07:38.14 | jatt | DocOC: but it happens when a shell is running. Before I login C-s has no effect. So in some way it depends on the shell and not on the tty alone |
| 07:38.20 | peterrus | cooner750, i see |
| 07:38.21 | karsten | DocOC: pty |
| 07:38.26 | cooner750 | Here at home the electric bill is just nuts |
| 07:38.30 | cooner750 | $480 fort July |
| 07:38.32 | cooner750 | for* |
| 07:38.32 | DocOC | karsten: yeah, that must be it. |
| 07:38.37 | peterrus | omfg |
| 07:38.45 | peterrus | omfg omfg |
| 07:38.52 | jatt | karsten: hmm interesting, so probably is a kernel feature |
| 07:39.12 | cooner750 | and the reason I am almost sure is because: We have an electric dryer, an electric oven/stove, a dish washer that has electric heated dry... |
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| 07:39.17 | peterrus | if one would install X and fluxbox manually, how would one do that? because i think i may have forgotten something. |
| 07:39.22 | cooner750 | not to mention the central A/C runs 24/7 |
| 07:39.27 | peterrus | cooner750, hehe, |
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| 07:39.33 | liable | meh, we lose the rugby again. |
| 07:39.56 | karsten | peterrus: aptitude install xserver-xorg fluxbox |
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| 07:40.13 | peterrus | karsten, well i did that, and alot more and still it doesnt work |
| 07:40.19 | DocOC | jatt: hmm, I like your logic on that one. Because login needs to be able to capture control-characters... |
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| 07:40.38 | cooner750 | I noticed that Debian installs XFree86 for an X server, is there any difference between that and Xorg? |
| 07:40.59 | karsten | cooner750: Which release? etch will give you xorg, sarge == xfree86 |
| 07:41.00 | peterrus | yes |
| 07:41.00 | jatt | DocOC: I expected login would block too, but it is not the case |
| 07:41.08 | cooner750 | Starge, yea that explains it |
| 07:41.12 | cooner750 | Sarge* |
| 07:41.17 | karsten | peterrus: Doesn't work how? |
| 07:41.25 | karsten | !tell peterrus about smart questions |
| 07:41.37 | DocOC | jatt: no, login really needs to be capture all key-sequences, so that you can have as complicated a password as you want. |
| 07:41.56 | wireddd | is nfs pretty much the fastest way to mount a remote fs between linux pcs? |
| 07:42.21 | peterrus | karsten, i have already explained this twice so that dpkg thing wasnt really noce, but okay, never mind |
| 07:42.48 | karsten | jatt: man termios(3) |
| 07:43.00 | peterrus | karsten, somehow my fonts arent working, i only get some kind of huge font in X and fluxbox and stuff so this really fucks up all toolbars, see this: |
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| 07:43.19 | karsten | jatt: C-s / C-q is XOFF flow controll. That can be enabled or disabled, typically enabled by default. |
| 07:43.31 | karsten | peterrus: Sorry, missed it. |
| 07:43.36 | jatt | DocOC: that's new to me, that passwords with control characters are valid. Does pam works fine with such passwords too? |
| 07:43.41 | peterrus | karsten, np |
| 07:44.40 | jatt | karsten: that's great information, thanks! hmmm seems to be a very very ancient feature |
| 07:44.40 | DocOC | jatt: absolutely. Pam is about expanding the functionality of authentication, not so much about limiting it. |
| 07:45.30 | peterrus | argh |
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| 07:45.52 | peterrus | can somebody please scroll up if they can find my paste cuz i logged out and i cant find it anymore :( |
| 07:45.55 | DocOC | karsten: that's interesting, I have no termios man page. |
| 07:45.56 | Relis87 | Can someone please help me configure my soundcard |
| 07:46.02 | Relis87 | I keep getting that error message |
| 07:46.23 | Relis87 | and no sound xD |
| 07:46.25 | karsten | jatt: tty == teletypewriter. Back from the days of hardcopy terminals. |
| 07:46.36 | cooner750 | I've got an ATI TV Tuner card, Rage 128 chipset. Is it possible to get this to actually "tune TV" in Linux? |
| 07:46.43 | karsten | jatt: Hrm. tcflow |
| 07:46.54 | karsten | DocOC: ^^ |
| 07:47.06 | Relis87 | karsten |
| 07:47.15 | Relis87 | Can you help me configure my soundcard please =D |
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| 07:47.46 | liable | peterrus: channels.debian.net/paste/3490 |
| 07:47.56 | peterrus | tnx :)j |
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| 07:48.03 | DocOC | karsten: no tcflow man page either. |
| 07:48.05 | karsten | !tell Relis87 about sound |
| 07:48.08 | peterrus | karsten, channels.debian.net/paste/3490 |
| 07:48.25 | jatt | karsten: great. But does that feature makes sense for interactive use? If I understand correctly, the termios C interfaces should be used by xterm and the console, so we have the same behaviour. Probably only recompiling them could one get rid off the behaviour (i.e. disable C-s).... ops I see stty exists. |
| 07:48.26 | karsten | DocOC: manpages-dev |
| 07:48.36 | DocOC | karsten: ahh, thanks. |
| 07:49.09 | karsten | jatt: Not a problem as a general case.... One sec. |
| 07:49.16 | peterrus | cooner750, thats for windloolz |
| 07:49.27 | cooner750 | I'm, sadly, in windows right now lol |
| 07:49.34 | peterrus | oh no |
| 07:49.46 | test0012 | Hello, everyone. I'm working on a local framebuffered console on ubuntu, and when I've sshed to a remote machine which running Mac OS X 10.4.7, I found the palette was different from the ubuntu local palette. The blue color was very dark, so how can I keep my palette? |
| 07:49.54 | test0012 | And I read something at /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh, which has a function called reset_vga_palette, it just print ESC]R to the console. But it doesn't reset the remote palette. |
| 07:50.12 | simonrvn | test0012: #ubuntu |
| 07:50.14 | karsten | !tell jatt about font guide |
| 07:50.21 | karsten | jatt: ... read the linked document. |
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| 07:50.42 | cooner750 | The Debian installation on this machine stopped booting one day and I havent had a chance to reinstall it yet |
| 07:50.46 | karsten | jatt: ... it's a bit old, most of that may be already deal with, guts are: install x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 07:51.04 | jatt | karsten: are you sure you mean me? I haven't asked anything about fonts :-) |
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| 07:51.17 | peterrus | me me\ |
| 07:51.36 | jatt | there you are, I think that one was intended for you peterrus |
| 07:51.47 | peterrus | indeed :) |
| 07:51.50 | Relis87 | karsten: I have the drivers installed, I just need to configure it! |
| 07:52.00 | Relis87 | karsten: which I dont know how to do =[ |
| 07:52.10 | peterrus | !tell peterrus about font guide |
| 07:53.11 | karsten | peterrus: Not a problem as a general course. Might want to check that the following are installed: x-ttcidfont-conf xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-dosemu xfonts-encodings xfonts-scalable xfonts-utils |
| 07:53.18 | karsten | jatt: Missfire ;-) |
| 07:53.33 | jatt | DocOC: I am not sure if you already got this but the termios man page is in the manpage-dev package |
| 07:53.38 | karsten | peterrus: ... and /msg dpkg font guide |
| 07:53.44 | simonrvn | manpages-dev |
| 07:53.47 | peterrus | karsten, lets give it a try |
| 07:53.55 | Relis87 | Does anyone know how to configure your sound card?? help wuold be appreciated |
| 07:54.00 | Relis87 | would |
| 07:54.01 | jatt | right manpages-dev |
| 07:54.06 | cooner750 | Relis87: what problem are you having? |
| 07:54.30 | Relis87 | cooner750: Keep getting that error 'make sure its configured properly' 'make sure nothing else is tieing it up' |
| 07:54.37 | Relis87 | from xmms, and I get no sound anywhere |
| 07:54.42 | Relis87 | So I need to configure it |
| 07:54.51 | cooner750 | Relis87: What sound system are you using? |
| 07:54.57 | Relis87 | via82cxxx_audio |
| 07:55.02 | simonrvn | @wb karsten |
| 07:55.07 | Relis87 | thats the driver |
| 07:55.14 | simonrvn | uh, what |
| 07:55.15 | Relis87 | ac97 |
| 07:55.30 | karsten | Relis87: modprobe <driver>; aumix to check your levels are up. Try playing something (sox is good). |
| 07:55.37 | karsten | simonrvn: Danke. |
| 07:55.42 | karsten | simonrvn: ?? |
| 07:55.57 | simonrvn | bird crashed |
| 07:56.00 | Relis87 | FATAL: Module via82cxxx_audio not found. |
| 07:56.03 | Gnea | lunchtime |
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| 07:56.08 | karsten | simonrvn: Poor bird. |
| 07:56.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:56.11 | simonrvn | @wb karsten |
| 07:56.13 | ravenbird | Welcome back karsten, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 07:56.15 | karsten | simonrvn: So, this bird flies into a bar. |
| 07:56.19 | Relis87 | How can I get via82cxxx_audio ?? |
| 07:56.19 | simonrvn | aaah :) |
| 07:56.25 | karsten | simonrvn: ... the bartender looks down and says "poor bird". |
| 07:56.26 | simonrvn | i'm listening |
| 07:56.36 | Relis87 | karsten: I dont have aumix.. |
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| 07:56.43 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 07:56.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 07:56.43 | karsten | Relis87: Install it |
| 07:57.02 | Relis87 | Xri:/# aumix |
| 07:57.02 | Relis87 | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 07:57.05 | Relis87 | what the hell |
| 07:57.12 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:57.19 | karsten | Relis87: That would indicate a problem. |
| 07:57.23 | simonrvn | lemme guess, no /dev/snd files |
| 07:57.28 | Gnea | Relis87: check if /dev/mixer<tab> exists |
| 07:57.39 | karsten | Relis87: modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
| 07:57.47 | Relis87 | ls: /dev/mixer/: No such file or directory |
| 07:57.49 | karsten | Relis87: ... and if you have r/w permissions. |
| 07:57.52 | Gnea | what i'm wondering is, why is he using OSS instead of ALSA? |
| 07:58.04 | Gnea | Relis87: there should be no trailing / |
| 07:58.11 | Relis87 | modprobe snd_mixer_oss did something |
| 07:58.16 | Relis87 | no error |
| 07:58.24 | simonrvn | lsmod, see if it's at the top |
| 07:58.28 | Relis87 | oop |
| 07:58.29 | SpeedyG | j #find |
| 07:58.31 | debuntu | do a 'cat /dev/sndstat' |
| 07:58.31 | Relis87 | aumix is twerkin |
| 07:58.32 | karsten | Gnea: Um. 'coz I know shit and it's what I told him ;-) |
| 07:58.35 | Relis87 | one sec |
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| 07:58.40 | Gnea | karsten: lol |
| 07:58.46 | Gnea | fair enough :) |
| 07:58.48 | karsten | Relis87: "twerkin"? |
| 07:59.01 | Relis87 | karsten: How am i supposed to turn the volume up? |
| 07:59.06 | karsten | Gnea: If you've got a better suggestion... I just grepped 'mix' from /proc/modules |
| 07:59.24 | Gnea | well, at this point i would suggest: lsmod | grep via |
| 07:59.31 | karsten | Relis87: aumix, for starters. If that's not working you've got other problems and my good friend Gnea knows *exactly* what you need ;-) |
| 07:59.37 | Gnea | to make sure there aren't conflicting API's in progress |
| 07:59.49 | Relis87 | aumix is running.. |
| 07:59.55 | karsten | Relis87: http://web.archive.org/web/20050325023737/http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 07:59.55 | SpeedyG | is it possible to use the find command to search for unicode characters? |
| 08:00.04 | Relis87 | ok, I did lsmod | grep via |
| 08:00.06 | karsten | Relis87: ... the original page is down, that's out of Internet Archive. |
| 08:00.10 | Relis87 | Want me to pastebin it? |
| 08:00.15 | Gnea | Relis87: how many results did it yeild? |
| 08:00.17 | Gnea | sure |
| 08:00.23 | Gnea | in fact... |
| 08:00.27 | Gnea | go ahead and pastebin all of lsmod |
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| 08:01.04 | Gnea | !beer karsten |
| 08:01.06 | Relis87 | Gnea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/tIPIRL42.html |
| 08:01.13 | Relis87 | and ty for helping both of you |
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| 08:02.23 | Gnea | Relis87: okay, you've got conflicting API's, so do this: modprobe -r via82cxxx |
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| 08:02.36 | mcgreg | do you know if Gaim supports VOIP? |
| 08:02.43 | Relis87 | Gnea: FATAL: Error removing via82cxxx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 08:03.00 | Gnea | Relis87: is aumix still running? if it is, kill it and try again |
| 08:03.44 | ajdlinux | mcgreg: afaics no |
| 08:03.52 | Gnea | mcgreg: it does not, skype is probably what you want |
| 08:03.52 | Relis87 | how do i make sure its killed gnea? |
| 08:04.01 | ajdlinux | mcgreg: the only client i've used that definitely has voip is Jabbin |
| 08:04.01 | Relis87 | kill aumix? |
| 08:04.09 | Gnea | Relis87: killall -9 aumix |
| 08:04.23 | Relis87 | Xri:~# killall -9 aumix |
| 08:04.23 | Relis87 | aumix: no process killed |
| 08:04.28 | Gnea | ok |
| 08:04.33 | Gnea | do you have lsof installed? |
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| 08:04.41 | Relis87 | I dont know what that is |
| 08:04.42 | SpeedyG | hey guys, any of you know how to use the find command on a linux box to find files containing unicode characters? |
| 08:04.44 | Relis87 | so im gonna say yes |
| 08:04.47 | Gnea | it's a command :) |
| 08:05.00 | Relis87 | I do not |
| 08:05.01 | jatt | karsten: well after reading the stty man page I see a new strange behaviour, again, not sure if it is a bug. With stty -ixon, I can type C-s (without blocking) and the following is shown in the shell: |
| 08:05.07 | Gnea | !lsof |
| 08:05.07 | dpkg | well, lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 08:05.11 | mcgreg | Gnea: no :) skype is not ppc-opensource, so it isnt an option |
| 08:05.15 | jatt | (i-search)`': |
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| 08:05.17 | Relis87 | -su: lsof: command not found |
| 08:05.25 | Relis87 | oops |
| 08:05.28 | Gnea | mcgreg: oh ok - good luck :) |
| 08:05.29 | Relis87 | ok, lemme install it one sex |
| 08:05.31 | Relis87 | sec |
| 08:05.32 | ajdlinux | mcgreg: jabbin (jabbin.com) i know supports VoIP over jingle |
| 08:05.34 | mcgreg | or at least ppc-linux |
| 08:05.40 | jatt | so if I understand correctly the XON/XOFF flow control was hiding a valid key combination to the shell... |
| 08:05.42 | ajdlinux | jingle == google talk support |
| 08:05.49 | Relis87 | gnea: ok its installed |
| 08:05.52 | ajdlinux | other than that i dunno |
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| 08:05.59 | mcgreg | ajdlinux: thx you. I'll have a look at that |
| 08:06.10 | ajdlinux | mcgreg: i have debian source pkgs if u want |
| 08:06.12 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, now: lsof | grep dsp |
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| 08:06.16 | ajdlinux | i'm trying to get it into debian |
| 08:06.19 | Gnea | Relis87: and then, lsof | grep mixer |
| 08:06.22 | ajdlinux | its on mentors.debian.net |
| 08:06.26 | jatt | where does that "i-search" search for? |
| 08:06.32 | mcgreg | ajdlinux: hmm ok |
| 08:06.45 | Relis87 | gnea: alot of stuff appeared in that one |
| 08:06.49 | ajdlinux | of course u would need to recompile the source for ppc |
| 08:06.55 | mcgreg | ajdlinux: you mean to add to apts sources.list? |
| 08:06.59 | Gnea | Relis87: which one? or both? |
| 08:07.03 | ajdlinux | um its only a source repo |
| 08:07.06 | Relis87 | last one, mixer |
| 08:07.11 | Gnea | ok |
| 08:07.11 | Relis87 | none in dsp |
| 08:07.21 | ajdlinux | add a deb-src entry for mentors, apt-get source jabbin, then use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:07.35 | ajdlinux | upstream has assured me it compiles for PPC under suse |
| 08:07.45 | Gnea | Relis87: it's telling you that some application and probably some shared libraries are accessing the mixer device - can you pastebin the results again? |
| 08:08.00 | Relis87 | the results of grep mixer? |
| 08:08.05 | Gnea | yes please |
| 08:08.33 | b0re | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8inOoO20.html |
| 08:08.38 | b0re | does anyone have any ideas? :\ |
| 08:09.03 | Relis87 | Gnea: theres too much to list, its more than the konsole holds |
| 08:09.05 | mcgreg | ajdlinux: eb http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free like this? |
| 08:09.07 | jatt | karsten: hmmmm this seems to be consistent with the bash man page where Control-S is used for history list functionality |
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| 08:09.59 | Gnea | Relis87: do you know about dcc in irc? |
| 08:10.05 | Relis87 | Gnea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XQgdX488.html |
| 08:10.09 | jatt | I don't know much about that functionality, but if I type a command and then Control-S (e.g. find Control-S) I get the following: |
| 08:10.11 | Relis87 | Gnea: and no, I dont IRC much |
| 08:10.20 | jatt | (i-search)`': find |
| 08:10.23 | Gnea | Relis87: oh, rock on :) |
| 08:10.28 | Gnea | Relis87: ok |
| 08:10.47 | jatt | if I press RETURN, I think find is executed (I had find in my bash history list) |
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| 08:11.06 | Gnea | aaaah |
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| 08:11.37 | peterrus | karsten, nothing, doesnt work |
| 08:11.40 | jatt | I would say this is a bug, and the debian terminal should disable XON/XOFF flow control for terminals per default to avoid to clash with shell functionality |
| 08:11.54 | Gnea | Relis87: on the top of bottom of your desktop, there's a small application that's controlling the sound settings - you should be able to find it by hovering the mouse over them until it says 'gnome mixer' or something like that |
| 08:11.59 | ajdlinux | mcgreg: sorry yeah |
| 08:12.02 | Gnea | s/of/or/g |
| 08:12.05 | peterrus | is there someone here who has just installed the debian base system abd then manuall installd fluxbox and X ? |
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| 08:12.21 | Relis87 | Gnea: volume control alsa mixer |
| 08:12.35 | Relis87 | gnea: so yes |
| 08:12.47 | Gnea | Relis87: ok cool - you can safely remove that by right-clicking on it |
| 08:12.56 | Relis87 | ok, removed |
| 08:13.14 | Gnea | ok, now do the lsof | grep mixer again |
| 08:13.19 | Gnea | should be no results |
| 08:13.33 | Relis87 | no results :D |
| 08:13.51 | Gnea | :D |
| 08:13.51 | Gnea | ok |
| 08:13.54 | Gnea | modprobe -r via82cxxx |
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| 08:14.07 | Gnea | should come back to the prompt quitely |
| 08:14.11 | Relis87 | FATAL: Error removing via82cxxx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 08:14.12 | Gnea | er, quietly |
| 08:14.16 | Relis87 | not quite =/ |
| 08:14.17 | Gnea | .... |
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| 08:14.23 | jatt | the additional problem is: which package should be responsible to set the terminal line settings (in this case the xon/xoff flow control)? |
| 08:14.24 | Gnea | sec |
| 08:14.25 | altin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:14.48 | peterrus | right |
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| 08:15.15 | cydork | peterrus, you are still having problems?? |
| 08:15.24 | peterrus | cydork, yes i do |
| 08:15.47 | peterrus | the big fonts still |
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| 08:15.52 | Gnea | ah, libaudio.so |
| 08:16.15 | Relis87 | =s |
| 08:16.15 | peterrus | i get all kinds of errorrs about the fonts, even when installing them, some errors about a directory that does not exist and more stuff |
| 08:16.27 | Gnea | Relis87: are you okay to use irc in console mode? |
| 08:16.28 | raf256 | how in the hells name, |
| 08:16.36 | peterrus | i think i have just isntalled X the wrong way |
| 08:16.36 | Gnea | Relis87: because you'll need to kill X altogether |
| 08:16.47 | Relis87 | Gnea: I really have no idea what program to use |
| 08:16.53 | Gnea | Relis87: apt-get install irssi |
| 08:16.54 | raf256 | can I tell gpm (that mouse in text console thingy) to use left button + right button as middle button (to paste clipboard) |
| 08:16.58 | Gnea | er |
| 08:17.00 | Gnea | irssi-text |
| 08:17.13 | cydork | peterrus, how did you install X? |
| 08:17.27 | Relis87 | gnea: installed |
| 08:17.33 | raf256 | my laptop have 2 not 3 buttons, how can I "paste" in text console using mouse? in X I use LMB+RMB |
| 08:17.38 | peterrus | apt-get isntall xserver-xorg x-window-system-core |
| 08:17.53 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, ctrl-alt-F1 and login, then irssi and /server irc.freenode.net |
| 08:18.25 | cydork | peterrus, that is all right even though just xserver-xorg would have done fine. |
| 08:18.39 | peterrus | cydork, someone told me to also install that |
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| 08:19.09 | peterrus | cydork, but now i have all kind of font troubles and because of that the X default font is used wich is really huge on 800x600 |
| 08:19.48 | herbi | i dont see wxpython2.4 or 2.6 broken on the debian unstable status page |
| 08:19.59 | cydork | peterrus, i dont think it's x problem, did you try to change the style in fluxbox. |
| 08:20.03 | herbi | but my fresh unstable install wont run bittorrent client |
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| 08:20.08 | herbi | with the following error |
| 08:20.09 | xri | Gnea? |
| 08:20.13 | herbi | wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly. |
| 08:20.14 | peterrus | cydork, its with all styles exept blueflux |
| 08:20.22 | Gnea | xri: hey, got there ok? |
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| 08:20.27 | herbi | strace shows a whole bunch of file not found errors for wxPython.so etc |
| 08:20.36 | xri | Gnea: had to reboot, login prompt wouldnt show up |
| 08:20.41 | herbi | anyone got any clue as to why? |
| 08:20.43 | xri | Gnea: but im here =D |
| 08:20.50 | Gnea | xri: oh weird - is X running? |
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| 08:20.58 | xri | gnea: nope, all text |
| 08:21.01 | herbi | i have wxpython 2.4 AND 2.6 installed, libwx, libwxgtk 2.4 and 2.6 etc |
| 08:21.01 | Gnea | sweet |
| 08:21.04 | herbi | everything installed |
| 08:21.06 | herbi | but no luck |
| 08:21.08 | herbi | help? |
| 08:21.29 | cydork | peterrus, try http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Howto_change_font |
| 08:21.33 | Gnea | xri: ok, lsmod | grep via82cxxx |
| 08:21.58 | xri | Gnea: ok, I need to exit this first I think, right? |
| 08:21.59 | peterrus | i did, but i just want to have all fonts, like slackware, vector linux and damnsmalllinux had |
| 08:22.10 | Gnea | xri: no, you can just alt-F2 |
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| 08:22.19 | Gnea | xri: alt-F1 will bring you right back here :) |
| 08:22.30 | herbi | lalala |
| 08:22.38 | herbi | anyone have any idea why bittorrent is borked? |
| 08:22.53 | Gnea | !tell herbi about bts |
| 08:22.57 | xri | Gnea: This is weet, and 2 things showed up |
| 08:23.00 | xri | sweet* |
| 08:23.02 | b0re | because rtorrent is so much better :p |
| 08:23.06 | Gnea | herbi: check the bug list, maybe it's been reported |
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| 08:23.34 | Gnea | xri: yeah, by default it goes all the way to F6 (X runs on F7 but requires a ctrl to break to console) |
| 08:23.46 | peterrus | urgh i want x, i dont want to get back to damn small or slackware :( |
| 08:23.53 | xri | Gnea: haha |
| 08:24.00 | xri | Gnea: so what do I do from here? |
| 08:24.29 | Gnea | xri: what was it? ide_core and via82cxxx? |
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| 08:24.34 | peterrus | cydork, and even the blueflux font is too big |
| 08:24.38 | xri | Gnea: yes O.O |
| 08:24.41 | wireddd | hmm these old cables have to be the source of my speed problems |
| 08:24.43 | Gnea | ok... |
| 08:24.48 | mcgreg | ajdlinux: ok, added the respository. but now, apt-cache search jabbin doesnt find it... ? |
| 08:24.48 | Gnea | modprobe -r via82cxxx |
| 08:25.34 | xri | Gnea: resourse busy O.O |
| 08:25.36 | cydork | peterrus, try /msg dpkg font guide |
| 08:25.53 | Gnea | xri: cat /proc/version |
| 08:26.27 | xri | Linux version 2.6.16 |
| 08:26.33 | xri | and some other hibble |
| 08:26.50 | simonrvn | hibble? |
| 08:26.56 | Gnea | xri: cat /etc/modules is via82cxxx listed there? |
| 08:26.59 | debuntu | it's a technical term |
| 08:27.22 | cydork | peterrus, do you have xfonts-100dpi or xfonts-75dpi installed? |
| 08:27.23 | simonrvn | so's vt100 ;p |
| 08:27.41 | xri | Gnea: No, it's just a bunch of instructions #'d out, and it says loop at the bottom |
| 08:27.56 | peterrus | cydork, yes, but when installing them i got an error, and x doesnt seem to find them i think |
| 08:28.01 | debuntu | i'm betting he doesn't have those fonts installed ... and wondered why no one suggested it at the beginning |
| 08:28.19 | debuntu | peterrus, make sure they are in your xorg.conf |
| 08:28.24 | xri | Should I add via82cxxx with nano? |
| 08:28.31 | Gnea | no |
| 08:28.33 | xri | ok |
| 08:28.35 | peterrus | debuntu, what exactly do i have to add? |
| 08:28.43 | Gnea | check out /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 08:28.56 | debuntu | FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi" |
| 08:29.06 | debuntu | peterrus, something like that |
| 08:29.09 | Gnea | xri: and add it to the bottom of the list, like this: blacklist via82cxxx |
| 08:29.12 | peterrus | lets do that, do i have to do a fc-cache or something after that/\ |
| 08:29.17 | debuntu | peterrus, then restart X |
| 08:29.34 | cydork | peterrus, you can do that only if you have those fonts installed. |
| 08:29.38 | debuntu | it is strange they weren't installed properly though .. you used apt or aptitude? |
| 08:29.45 | xri | Gnea: I dont see anything starting with V |
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| 08:30.14 | cydork | peterrus, what is the error you get while installing? |
| 08:30.33 | Gnea | xri: that's fine, just add it :) the system is detecting the card and then auto-loading the OSS module by default - you need to tell it to ignore OSS and use ALSA instead |
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| 08:30.53 | peterrus | debuntu, i already have that line with :unscaled, do i have to remove that? |
| 08:31.09 | peterrus | cydork, file or directpry not found, something like that |
| 08:31.10 | debuntu | peterrus, no |
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| 08:31.11 | Tallu | Uhm. Why can't i figure out how to optimize my custom kernel for k7.. it automatically creates i386 and I can't seem to change it |
| 08:31.29 | simonrvn | isn't linux-sound-base (or whatever it's called) supposed to take care of that sort of thing? |
| 08:31.29 | xri | Gnea: so I type blacklist via82cxxx at the bottom of the /../blacklist file?? |
| 08:31.31 | Gnea | Tallu: did you run make menuconfig? |
| 08:31.31 | alexandre | I run fsck.ext3 on /dev/hdc instead of /dev/hdc1 . I rerunned it on /dev/hdc1, I got nothing left on it but lost+found with lots of file like #xxxxx in it. |
| 08:31.31 | debuntu | peterrus, you better make sure the fonts are installed though .. look in the /usr/share/X11/fonts directory |
| 08:31.33 | peterrus | debuntu, well these lines are already added |
| 08:31.37 | Tallu | Gnea: yeah |
| 08:31.41 | Gnea | xri: correct |
| 08:31.47 | debuntu | peterrus, then see if the fonts are there |
| 08:31.59 | alexandre | Is there anything I can do to save the data? |
| 08:32.07 | cydork | peterrus, then they are not installed. check your repos.. update and try agian. |
| 08:32.11 | Gnea | Tallu: what kernel version? |
| 08:32.13 | debuntu | simonrvn, it's supposed to :) |
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| 08:32.22 | Tallu | Gnea: I selected my cpu to be Athlon/K7 there but the kernel output is i386.. 2.6.17.9 |
| 08:32.27 | xri | Gnea: done, boot up x? |
| 08:32.29 | debuntu | peterrus, and tell us the exact error (pastebin) when you try to install |
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| 08:32.44 | peterrus | debuntu, /usr/share/X11 doesnt contain a font directory |
| 08:32.58 | Gnea | xri: nope! do you have an alsaconf command? |
| 08:33.13 | xri | Gnea: nope |
| 08:33.30 | debuntu | peterrus, you ain't got no fonts then :) |
| 08:33.38 | peterrus | hmm |
| 08:33.39 | debuntu | peterrus, or, in English, install some |
| 08:33.48 | cooner750 | I have to go to bed, 'night all |
| 08:33.54 | Gnea | Tallu: grep CONFIG_MK7 .config |
| 08:34.02 | Gnea | xri: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 08:34.03 | peterrus | well i installed them, but i didnt have a fonts dir, so that could cause the error, lets make one |
| 08:34.29 | xri | Gnea: then run alsaconfig, yes? |
| 08:34.36 | Gnea | xri: nope, reboot :) |
| 08:34.42 | Tallu | Gnea: config_mk7=y |
| 08:34.44 | xri | Gnea: okeoke |
| 08:34.51 | Guerin | or /msg dpkg alsa for morons |
| 08:34.54 | Gnea | Tallu: ok, so where are you seeing i386? |
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| 08:35.37 | Tallu | Gnea: I think I must have misunderstood.. the filename is linux-image-2.6.17.9_custom.1.0_i386.deb |
| 08:35.52 | veleno | what is the difference between apt and aptitude ? |
| 08:36.30 | Gnea | Tallu: ah yes - that's saying that it's for the intel platform, otherwise it would say sparc or alpha or whatnot |
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| 08:36.40 | Guerin | veleno: apt is a set of libs, aptitude is a UI |
| 08:36.50 | Tallu | Gnea: ahh hehe. How stupid of me. Thank you though, atleast now I'll know it should work then. :) |
| 08:37.03 | Gnea | Tallu: yup, should work fine :) |
| 08:37.14 | Tallu | wish me luck, I'm off to try it out. :) |
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| 08:37.15 | Gnea | !aptitude |
| 08:37.15 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 08:37.23 | Relis87 | Gnea: ok, now what |
| 08:37.34 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, lsmod | grep snd |
| 08:37.41 | peterrus | cydork, debuntu , channel.debian.net/paste/3491 |
| 08:37.41 | peterrus | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 08:38.37 | Relis87 | gnea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/bAEXUQ88.html |
| 08:39.11 | veleno | Guerin, what between apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 08:39.20 | Gnea | Relis87: looks good, now: lsmod | grep via82cxxx |
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| 08:39.40 | Relis87 | gnea: via82cxxx 8196 0 [permanent] |
| 08:39.40 | Relis87 | ide_core 111280 4 ide_cd,ide_disk,via82cxxx,generic |
| 08:39.42 | Gnea | veleno: aptitude is newer - basically a rewrite of apt from the ground up |
| 08:39.47 | Guerin | veleno: aptitude has way more functionality, see the link above |
| 08:39.55 | Gnea | Relis87: OMFG... |
| 08:40.03 | Relis87 | Gnea: omfg O.O |
| 08:40.09 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:40.38 | dondelelcaro | apt-get is really just a demo of libapt; aptitude is a real frontend to libapt. |
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| 08:40.49 | Tallu | Linux xiit.xi-it.org 2.6.17.9 #1 Sat Aug 19 09:49:46 EEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:40.58 | Gnea | Relis87: ok does this file exist? /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.hotplug.blacklist |
| 08:41.09 | Relis87 | Gnea: I didnt have to put in in alphabetical order did I? |
| 08:41.13 | debuntu | the best difference is that when you un-install after installing with aptitude it will remove all the uneeded dependencies |
| 08:41.14 | Relis87 | Gnea: and ok ill check |
| 08:41.17 | Tallu | Gnea: well, it says i686.. I feel stupid. :P |
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| 08:41.18 | Gnea | Relis87: no |
| 08:41.33 | Gnea | Tallu: naw, it's all good - now you know :) |
| 08:41.42 | dondelelcaro | debuntu: you can do that with apt-get+deborphan too, if you want... |
| 08:41.42 | Tallu | Gnea: thanks :) |
| 08:41.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:41.45 | debuntu | with apt the dependencies won't be removed and you'll need to use deborphan or gtkorphan to remove |
| 08:42.05 | Relis87 | Gnea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TXU8uH64.html |
| 08:42.26 | debuntu | dondelelcaro, as i said :) - but it's a lot more labour intensive than 'aptitude remove <crudola>' :) |
| 08:42.44 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, ls -l /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist.d/ |
| 08:42.56 | dondelelcaro | debuntu: this assumes that you'd been using aptitude the whole time... if not, it doesn't quite work that way... |
| 08:43.09 | Relis87 | ls: /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist.d/: No such file or directory |
| 08:43.11 | debuntu | dondelelcaro, yeah .. as i said |
| 08:43.13 | dondelelcaro | but any event, use aptitude |
| 08:43.19 | Gnea | OOPS |
| 08:43.25 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, ls -l /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
| 08:43.28 | Gnea | sorry |
| 08:43.36 | Relis87 | =D |
| 08:43.48 | Relis87 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 2006-08-01 21:37 libsane |
| 08:43.48 | Relis87 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 45 2006-08-19 04:34 linux-sound-base_noOSS -> /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.hotplug.blacklist |
| 08:44.09 | debuntu | dondelelcaro, heh, and besides, once you get newbies onto deborphan you create a whole new set of problems ;) |
| 08:44.15 | peterrus | oh crap! |
| 08:44.16 | alexandre | how risky is it to plug a hdd in a running machine? |
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| 08:44.33 | Gnea | Relis87: excellent. grep via82cxxx /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.hotplug.blacklist |
| 08:44.34 | debuntu | alexandre, don't do it |
| 08:44.35 | peterrus | it is not working! |
| 08:44.43 | peterrus | sigh |
| 08:44.54 | Gnea | alexandre: stupid. |
| 08:44.55 | Relis87 | Xri:~# grep via82cxxx /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.hotplug.blacklist |
| 08:44.55 | Relis87 | via82cxxx_audio |
| 08:44.57 | debuntu | peterrus, sorry, i forgot about you :) |
| 08:44.59 | alexandre | debuntu: if I plug it then boot, booting get stucked |
| 08:45.04 | dondelelcaro | alexandre: it depends on what backplane and card you have. |
| 08:45.06 | peterrus | isnt there just a simple way to install debian to my old laptop without gnome? but with fluxbox?> |
| 08:45.11 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: yese |
| 08:45.17 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, edit that file and add via82cxxx to it |
| 08:45.18 | debuntu | alexandre, well i'm guessing it's not hot-pluggable, nor your board |
| 08:45.26 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: instead of selecting the desktop task, choose what packages you want |
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| 08:45.31 | debuntu | peterrus, i did and didn't have many probs |
| 08:45.38 | simonrvn | skip tasksel entirely |
| 08:45.46 | peterrus | how how? |
| 08:45.47 | Gnea | debuntu: hot-pluggable does not mean that it's okay to plug/unplug while the system is running. |
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| 08:45.52 | peterrus | just press back? |
| 08:45.58 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: just don't select anything |
| 08:45.58 | Relis87 | Gnea: done |
| 08:46.03 | debuntu | Gnea, anyway, the answer to him from me was 'No' |
| 08:46.12 | peterrus | dondelelcaro, nothing at all. not even base system? |
| 08:46.13 | azeem | peterrus: did the installation process start already? |
| 08:46.14 | Gnea | Relis87: alright, reboot it again |
| 08:46.20 | debuntu | Gnea, you can score points in PM to me if you like |
| 08:46.21 | Relis87 | oke |
| 08:46.22 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: you can't not install the base system |
| 08:46.37 | Gnea | debuntu: i don't care |
| 08:46.42 | alexandre | is there a way to ask knoppix not to check/mount hdd ? I tried the faisafe mode but it didn't worked |
| 08:46.47 | peterrus | so when do i get this tasksell thing?\ |
| 08:46.54 | dondelelcaro | alexandre: #knoppix is that way... |
| 08:46.54 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 08:46.54 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 08:47.01 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: it's the last part of the install |
| 08:47.03 | debuntu | then don't comment |
| 08:47.08 | wireddd | peterrus, I don't select anything |
| 08:47.11 | peterrus | dondelelcaro, i have never seen it? |
| 08:47.12 | Gnea | debuntu: then don't spread false information. |
| 08:47.13 | alexandre | dondelelcaro: i am there but very lonely |
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| 08:47.21 | peterrus | wireddd, where do you select nothing? |
| 08:47.29 | debuntu | Gnea, oh, you do care lol |
| 08:47.31 | dondelelcaro | alexandre: well, unfortunatly, we can't help you... it probably doesn't do it in Debian. |
| 08:47.37 | wireddd | when tasksel comes up, don't select any tasks |
| 08:47.39 | azeem | peterrus: in that dialog that says "desktop, mail server, ..." |
| 08:47.39 | Gnea | debuntu: i don't care about scoring points. |
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| 08:47.53 | peterrus | azeem, ah i see, so not even base system? |
| 08:47.56 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: it's the last thing that you see in the install process. |
| 08:48.11 | simonrvn | what points? how are they counted? what kind of points? who cares? |
| 08:48.15 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:48.16 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: you can't not install the base system. There's no task for it. |
| 08:48.20 | Gnea | !beer simonrvn |
| 08:48.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:48.23 | Gnea | !beer debuntu |
| 08:48.27 | peterrus | dondelelcaro, oh i think i get it |
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| 08:48.40 | Relis87 | Gnea: alrighty |
| 08:48.42 | peterrus | well lets give it a try then, but what packages do i have to select then? |
| 08:48.50 | Gnea | simonrvn: *tips hat* |
| 08:48.51 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: whatever packages you actuall want installed |
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| 08:49.04 | anapivirtua | hi all |
| 08:49.06 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, lsmod | grep via82cxxx :) |
| 08:49.06 | herbi | where can i get the "wxPython" binary from? |
| 08:49.18 | peterrus | dondelelcaro, but i dont know which exactly, i just want a light fluxbox desktop with working fonts |
| 08:49.19 | herbi | packages.debian.org says no such binary exists |
| 08:49.20 | karsten | !tell herbi about search |
| 08:49.20 | dondelelcaro | peterrus: you probably want something like xorg fluxbox, etc... |
| 08:49.31 | herbi | karsten, ive searched |
| 08:49.35 | dondelelcaro | !+find wxpython |
| 08:49.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:49.39 | Relis87 | Gnea....via82cxxx 8196 0 [permanent] |
| 08:49.39 | Relis87 | ide_core 111280 4 ide_cd,ide_disk,via82cxxx,generic |
| 08:49.42 | Relis87 | O.O |
| 08:49.44 | Gnea | *headdesk* |
| 08:49.48 | debuntu | well i just tried it with my rs2000 and it seems hot-swapable ... imagine |
| 08:49.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wxpython' (1): (/usr/share/doc/wx2.6-doc/wx-manual.html/wx2.6-manual_wxpython.html) in doc/wx2.6-doc. |
| 08:49.51 | peterrus | dondelelcaro, is there a tutorial on this? because i did twice already and it all fails |
| 08:49.51 | herbi | karsten, but the packages it returns NONE of them have that binary |
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| 08:50.01 | herbi | dondelelcaro, see? :/ |
| 08:50.02 | debuntu | anyway, i know the real problem is my nick |
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| 08:50.10 | Relis87 | unless it had to be in alphabetical, I did everything <:[ |
| 08:50.23 | herbi | bittornado and bittorent gui packages both require the binary |
| 08:50.26 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, modprobe -r via82cxxx |
| 08:50.38 | herbi | but neither python-wxgtk2.4 nor python-wxgtk2.6 has it |
| 08:50.38 | Relis87 | FATAL: Error removing via82cxxx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 08:50.53 | karsten | herbi: Search harder. python-wx* |
| 08:50.53 | herbi | any ideas? |
| 08:50.54 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, now: mv /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx_screwthis.ko |
| 08:50.57 | simonrvn | there is no 2.6, 2.5 yeh (AFAIK) |
| 08:51.06 | herbi | karsten, i have all the python-wx* packages INSTALLED |
| 08:51.09 | Gnea | Relis87: and reboot |
| 08:51.11 | dondelelcaro | herbi: they don't require the binary; they probably require libwxgtk-python or similar. |
| 08:51.20 | Relis87 | 'screwthis" |
| 08:51.22 | Relis87 | haha, ok |
| 08:51.23 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:51.28 | herbi | dondelelcaro, i also have that installed |
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| 08:51.40 | peterrus | is there someone who has a dekstop without gnome? |
| 08:51.48 | karsten | herbi: Just what is wxPython? |
| 08:51.48 | debuntu | peterrus, yes pappy |
| 08:51.52 | herbi | dondelelcaro, both the 2.4 and 2.6 version |
| 08:51.54 | karsten | peterrus: Aye |
| 08:51.59 | debuntu | peterrus, fluxbox, just like you |
| 08:52.01 | peterrus | because i need to know exactly how to install x, so that is works |
| 08:52.03 | dondelelcaro | herbi: is there any reason you're not using the debian packages of bittorrent and bittorando? |
| 08:52.07 | Gnea | peterrus: E17 |
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| 08:52.10 | debuntu | peterrus, which is why i am concerened with you |
| 08:52.11 | karsten | peterrus: I've got fashinable pink flamingos on mine. |
| 08:52.13 | herbi | no idea exactly what it is karsten, im assuming some sort of interpreter....because strace btdownloadgui shows that the program is looking for it |
| 08:52.16 | herbi | dondelelcaro, i AM |
| 08:52.23 | herbi | i installed bittornado and bittornado-gui |
| 08:52.28 | azeem | peterrus: install x-window-system |
| 08:52.29 | debuntu | because fluxbox rocks, and i can tell you are about to abort using it |
| 08:52.32 | herbi | which installed python-wxgtk2.6 |
| 08:52.39 | Gnea | my menus have this really nice flashy thing that fades |
| 08:52.46 | herbi | and then when i run it says this |
| 08:52.47 | azeem | peterrus: plus fluxbox, obviously |
| 08:52.49 | herbi | wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly. |
| 08:52.58 | simonrvn | ooh, my bad i mis-read. i blame lack of sleep :). |
| 08:53.02 | debuntu | Gnea, sounds ... flashy |
| 08:53.03 | herbi | this is a completely fresh debian unstable install from 2 nights ago |
| 08:53.04 | debuntu | :) |
| 08:53.15 | karsten | herbi: Not here. Fires straight up. |
| 08:53.17 | peterrus | azeem, i see, i didnt have these packages yet |
| 08:53.19 | azeem | herbi: then probably something is broken |
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| 08:53.25 | Relis87 | Gnea: done |
| 08:53.25 | debuntu | but methinks he is using fluxbox to save on resources |
| 08:53.28 | Gnea | debuntu: considering the system that it's built on, i dig it :) |
| 08:53.38 | herbi | karsten, which package is wxPython located in on your computer? |
| 08:53.41 | Gnea | Relis87: alright - lsmod | grep via82cxxx |
| 08:53.42 | peterrus | well i am gonna try it, wish me good luck |
| 08:53.50 | debuntu | peterrus, good luck |
| 08:53.53 | peterrus | :) |
| 08:54.03 | herbi | i only have one apt line in sources.list |
| 08:54.03 | azeem | peterrus: it's a standard operation, not the moon landing |
| 08:54.10 | debuntu | lol so true |
| 08:54.11 | herbi | deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 08:54.18 | Gnea | debuntu: http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/Libraries/images/_images/efl.png |
| 08:54.20 | dondelelcaro | herbi: the dependency should be correct in unstable for python-wxgtk2.6 or whatever it is. If it's not right, file a bug against the bittorrent packages. |
| 08:54.21 | azeem | herbi: did you check the BTS? |
| 08:54.25 | karsten | herbi: Sec... |
| 08:54.25 | Relis87 | Gnea, if it's the same thing it's always been are you gonna be mad at me? <:[ |
| 08:54.33 | dondelelcaro | herbi: that said, you'll have better luck using rtorrent instead |
| 08:54.33 | Relis87 | Because it is x[ |
| 08:54.35 | Gnea | Relis87: nope :) |
| 08:54.35 | karsten | herbi: ...tons of stuff, mostly under a directory though. |
| 08:54.37 | karsten | herbi: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/wx-2.4-gtk-ansi/wxPython |
| 08:54.43 | herbi | dondelelcaro, the dependancy is CORRECT, it installes the right package |
| 08:54.48 | herbi | but the package doesnt have the file |
| 08:54.51 | Relis87 | gnea: via82cxxx 8196 0 [permanent] |
| 08:54.51 | Relis87 | ide_core 111280 4 ide_cd,ide_disk,via82cxxx,generic |
| 08:54.51 | Gnea | how the hell... |
| 08:54.52 | herbi | karsten, hmm i have that directory |
| 08:54.57 | simonrvn | ok, time for bath and stuff, then i GTG |
| 08:55.00 | dondelelcaro | herbi: if it's not working, then the dependency is not correct, or you've deleted the files in question. |
| 08:55.04 | herbi | karsten, are you sure that isnt just the directory |
| 08:55.07 | dondelelcaro | herbi: if you've deleted them, reinstall the package. |
| 08:55.11 | herbi | dondelelcaro, i havent deleted anything |
| 08:55.17 | karsten | herbi: .. and that's installed from python-wxgtk2.4 |
| 08:55.29 | herbi | karsten, yep, i have it, but thats just a directory |
| 08:55.44 | karsten | herbi: I'm cd'd to it right now. |
| 08:55.45 | herbi | look at this output from strace |
| 08:55.47 | simonrvn | Gnea: i bet it ran depmod and loaded the stupi thing anyway |
| 08:55.51 | dondelelcaro | herbi: see #383298 |
| 08:55.55 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #383298 |
| 08:55.58 | dpkg | DONE:#383298:G[python-wxgtk2.6] python-wxgtk2.6: should be build for python 2.4; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:33:13 UTC |
| 08:56.01 | herbi | stat64("/usr/bin/wxPython", 0xafa2e6ec) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 08:56.21 | Gnea | Relis87: grep via82cxxx_audio /etc/modules.conf |
| 08:56.22 | dondelelcaro | that's a red herring |
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| 08:56.43 | simonrvn | it's a stat call, just checking to see if it's there |
| 08:56.44 | Relis87 | Xri:~# grep via82cxxx_audio /etc/modules.conf |
| 08:56.44 | Relis87 | alias via82cxxx_audio off |
| 08:56.51 | Gnea | ! |
| 08:56.57 | Relis87 | o.o |
| 08:57.02 | Gnea | o.O |
| 08:57.06 | Relis87 | O.o |
| 08:57.09 | Gnea | rofl |
| 08:57.11 | simonrvn | mv it away from that dir entirely |
| 08:57.12 | karsten | .oO |
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| 08:57.24 | simonrvn | Oo. |
| 08:57.56 | Gnea | Relis87: yes, mkdir /etc/.stupid_modules && mv /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-486/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx_screwthis.ko /etc/.stupid_modules |
| 08:58.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:58.10 | herbi | wtf |
| 08:58.17 | herbi | so i have to build wxwidgets from source for itto work now? |
| 08:58.25 | Relis87 | gnea: ok, now what |
| 08:58.25 | Guerin | stupidest workaround ever |
| 08:58.35 | Guerin | but i suppose one must do what one must do |
| 08:58.45 | dondelelcaro | herbi: no, you have to upgrade to a version which has been built for python 2.4... welcome to unstable. |
| 08:58.47 | Gnea | Relis87: run alsamixer |
| 08:58.53 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 08:59.04 | Relis87 | gnea: ok, it's running |
| 08:59.04 | herbi | a version of what? wxpython? |
| 08:59.06 | Mazingaro | hal won't work again... |
| 08:59.08 | herbi | or wxwidgets? |
| 08:59.19 | dondelelcaro | herbi: of python-wxgtk2.6 or whatever it depends on |
| 08:59.20 | Gnea | Relis87: what is Master set to? MM? |
| 08:59.42 | Mazingaro | please help with this: :( Method "Mount" with signature "ssas" on interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" doesn't exist |
| 08:59.50 | Relis87 | Gnea: Should I be running it in terminal? because all I see is this |
| 08:59.51 | Relis87 | Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x8b2 │ |
| 08:59.51 | Relis87 | │ Chip: USB Mixer │ |
| 08:59.51 | Relis87 | │ View: [Playback] Capture All |
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| 08:59.59 | Gnea | oop |
| 08:59.59 | Relis87 | shit srry |
| 09:00.01 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:00.07 | herbi | so until it gets put into the unstable repository, i WILL have to build python-wxgtk2.6 from source? |
| 09:00.12 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:00.21 | Gnea | Relis87: do you have a USB sound device plugged in? |
| 09:00.29 | Gnea | like a camera? |
| 09:00.32 | Relis87 | My webcam has a mic |
| 09:00.36 | Relis87 | so yes |
| 09:00.37 | Gnea | aah |
| 09:00.41 | herbi | dondelelcaro, is that what youre saying? |
| 09:00.41 | dondelelcaro | herbi: all you have to do is grab the current version, apply the patch from the NMU, and rebuild it if you don't want to wait. |
| 09:00.51 | Gnea | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 09:00.52 | Relis87 | Gnea: I dont need it in linux |
| 09:00.57 | Relis87 | Gnea: just D/C it? |
| 09:01.05 | Gnea | Relis87: nah, it's fine how it is |
| 09:01.09 | Relis87 | GNea: ok |
| 09:01.19 | herbi | stupid crap |
| 09:01.43 | jatt | arrrrrghh: $ bash -o history |
| 09:01.48 | herbi | its ironic cos not 10 minutes ago you were berating me for NOT usign the debian package |
| 09:01.50 | Gnea | Relis87: you should get 2 results out of that |
| 09:01.54 | jatt | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
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| 09:02.08 | Relis87 | Gnea: out of what now |
| 09:02.10 | jatt | I guess, I should file a bug, isn't it? :( |
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| 09:02.22 | Gnea | jatt: is that supposed to do something useful? |
| 09:02.30 | Gnea | Relis87: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 09:02.49 | Relis87 | I do Gnea |
| 09:02.54 | jatt | Gnea: software should not segfault with user input |
| 09:02.58 | Relis87 | my usb audio, then my v |
| 09:02.59 | Emiml | is it possible to list all oackages with "Priority: standard" using packages.debian.org ? |
| 09:03.09 | dondelelcaro | herbi: uh, excuse me? I ask questions to try to clarify what is happening. Your being abusive doesn't help. |
| 09:03.15 | Gnea | jatt: so debug it and see if there's a bug filed already |
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| 09:03.51 | herbi | dondelelcaro, and thats ironic because i listed my problem in detail as soon as i came in here, then patiently waited for help and nobody said anything |
| 09:03.56 | Gnea | Relis87: alsamixer -c 1 |
| 09:04.00 | herbi | so i had to repeat myself |
| 09:04.11 | jatt | Gnea: will do: I am struggling with the history functionality of bash. After Control-S seems to be trapped by termios functions :( |
| 09:04.34 | Relis87 | Gnea: im in it, master is set at [off], and everything is zero |
| 09:04.34 | dondelelcaro | herbi: so no one saw it or knew when they first saw your question. We're volunteers, we're allowed to miss things. |
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| 09:05.22 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, up-arrow the master till it's at 100 |
| 09:05.41 | herbi | lol |
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| 09:05.41 | Gnea | Relis87: do the same for PCM and make sure they're not muted (MM) |
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| 09:05.59 | Gnea | Relis87: well, put PCM at like 50 or so |
| 09:06.06 | Gnea | don't wanna kill your speakers :) |
| 09:06.15 | Relis87 | Gnea: master 100, pcm 52 |
| 09:06.22 | manphiz | Hi, I'm using debian sid. after I `aptitude dist-upgrade', my system is now unable to boot at all, showing bunchs of errors saying "udevd...look up failed...."and several base modules failed to modprobe, so all usb modules failed to load. Maybe other things are broken now. Any solutions? |
| 09:06.27 | Gnea | ok cool, now try playing some mp3's or something |
| 09:06.49 | manphiz | and, it happens today. |
| 09:06.58 | dondelelcaro | manphiz: check the bts; it's apparently a bug in klibc. |
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| 09:07.11 | Gnea | manphiz: yeah, get it fixed and apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 09:07.35 | Relis87 | Gnea Error: Please check that soundcard configures, torrect output selected, no other program blocking" |
| 09:07.48 | Gnea | Relis87: what program is that? |
| 09:08.11 | Relis87 | Gnea: XMMS |
| 09:08.30 | Relis87 | Gnea: same kinda error in naotun |
| 09:08.49 | Gnea | Relis87: ok it's probably got some default setting setup - options->preferences and check which output plugin it's using |
| 09:08.55 | debuntu | check the settings in xmms |
| 09:08.58 | manphiz | well, as usb modules failed to load, I cannot apt-get upgrade under sid now since no network adaptor can work. Where can I found packages necessary to solve the problem? Can I download and install them separately? |
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| 09:09.28 | Relis87 | Gnea: I can choose between alsa, OSS, disk writer, esound |
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| 09:09.51 | Gnea | Relis87: ok, choose alsa, then configure it |
| 09:10.04 | Gnea | manphiz: how many 2.6 kernels do you have installed? |
| 09:10.26 | manphiz | Gnea: now 2, all vanilla ones |
| 09:10.42 | manphiz | however built using make-kpkg |
| 09:10.42 | Relis87 | Gnea: OMFG =D |
| 09:10.53 | Gnea | Relis87: in the audio device section, select the device for standard PCM playback :) |
| 09:11.27 | Gnea | manphiz: try rebooting into the other kernel (not the one you're running right now) |
| 09:11.40 | Gnea | manphiz: but make SURE that grub/lilo has been set correctly |
| 09:11.49 | Relis87 | Gnea: Im not seeing an audio device section in xmms |
| 09:11.57 | manphiz | Gnea: well I already tried, some things happened exactly... |
| 09:12.01 | Relis87 | Gnea: wait |
| 09:12.08 | Relis87 | Gnea: I might, but no standard for pcm |
| 09:12.15 | Gnea | Relis87: should be like hw:0,0 and so on |
| 09:12.22 | Relis87 | Gnea: yea, I see that |
| 09:12.27 | manphiz | so I believe it is due to something fundamental |
| 09:12.48 | Gnea | Relis87: you probably want hw:1,0 |
| 09:12.55 | Relis87 | How do I set hw;1,0 to default |
| 09:13.02 | Relis87 | Gnea: and the musics playin btw =D |
| 09:13.08 | Gnea | just select it from the list and click 'ok' |
| 09:13.17 | Relis87 | Gnea: coool! |
| 09:13.33 | Gnea | then click apply and then ok, stop the music, and play it again |
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| 09:13.44 | Gnea | and it should play... |
| 09:14.02 | Relis87 | Gnea: yyep |
| 09:14.12 | Gnea | ok, then there's no conflict :D |
| 09:14.25 | Gnea | i don't know why your system is tripping over that module tho |
| 09:14.35 | Relis87 | Gnea: my usb cam? |
| 09:14.49 | Gnea | Relis87: no, because it's still loading that OSS module |
| 09:14.54 | Relis87 | Gnea: hmm |
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| 09:15.02 | Gnea | but somehow ALSA is superceding OSS |
| 09:15.05 | Gnea | so it's cool :) |
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| 09:15.14 | vaggie | In which package do i find "bwadd" ? |
| 09:15.15 | Relis87 | Gnea: well it's working, and I surely hope you do this for a living |
| 09:15.23 | Relis87 | Gnea: ty :D |
| 09:15.33 | Gnea | Relis87: heh, i used to... might try my hand at it again sometime :) |
| 09:15.40 | Relis87 | haha |
| 09:15.43 | manphiz | anyway, thank you dondelelcaro and Gnea, I'll download new klibc and try |
| 09:15.44 | Gnea | Relis87: you're welcome :) |
| 09:15.45 | andrej | Hmmm ... # locate dansguardian|wc -l 193 |
| 09:15.46 | andrej | # apt-get remove dansguardian |
| 09:15.46 | andrej | Reading package lists... Done |
| 09:15.46 | andrej | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 09:15.46 | andrej | Package dansguardian is not installed, so not removed |
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| 09:15.51 | Relis87 | layta, I owe you one |
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| 09:16.04 | Gnea | manphiz: good luck |
| 09:16.11 | manphiz | :) |
| 09:16.15 | vaggie | In which package do i find "bwadd" ? |
| 09:16.19 | andrej | Ok, so pasting 5 lines was a bad idea |
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| 09:16.54 | andrej | why, if there's about 193 files referring to dansguardian, does apt tell me it's not there? |
| 09:17.42 | karsten | !tell vaggie about search |
| 09:18.19 | andrej | In fact, I only just stopped the service (I had "removed" [or so I thoiught] it 2 weeks ago) |
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| 09:19.07 | andrej | How do I cleanly remove it? Just pipe locates output to a xargs rm -rf ? |
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| 09:21.55 | Exrai | Hey, can I get the quick apt-get install name to get x, gnome? |
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| 09:24.04 | Exrai | for etch |
| 09:24.17 | andrej | hmmm ... apt-get install gnome ? |
| 09:24.28 | Exrai | Would it just be apt-get install xorg gnome gdm? |
| 09:24.36 | Deimos__ | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 09:24.53 | andrej | won't it suggest X as a requirement? |
| 09:24.55 | Exrai | What the difference between that and what I types Dei? |
| 09:25.03 | Exrai | typed* |
| 09:25.30 | Deimos__ | xorg is unstable, not testing |
| 09:26.01 | Exrai | well on sarge I just did x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 09:26.08 | Exrai | What's xserver-xfree for? |
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| 09:26.56 | Deimos__ | xfree is the server X, like xorg |
| 09:27.03 | Deimos__ | s/the/a/ |
| 09:27.33 | Exrai | im sorry to be a noob, but im having trouble understanding |
| 09:27.39 | Deimos__ | np |
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| 09:27.47 | v3 | hello all |
| 09:27.48 | Exrai | What will I be missiong out if I just did x-window-sysetm gnome gdm |
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| 09:28.29 | v3 | my net access is through a webproxy. there are 20 or 30 servers. I need to find the best one and then connect to it ... it varies all the time .. is there a software that can do that ? |
| 09:28.35 | _1____FUK____1_ | hey so if yer someone then you prolly should be on #* |
| 09:28.42 | Deimos__ | Exrai, probably nothing, sarge has installed the package xserver-xfree86 by dependencies |
| 09:28.43 | v3 | the proxy i connect via is a http proxy ... tnx |
| 09:28.46 | _1____FUK____1_ | its for ppl who are fucking rad. |
| 09:28.56 | Exrai | Deimos: ok, ty |
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| 09:29.52 | evilgeek | sigh. why did sound stop working again? i'm running kernel 2.6.17, and an ES1370 card. /dev/dsp wasn't initially there, but was created by modprobing snd-mixer-oss and snd-pcm-oss (and no, i'm not sure this is the right thing to do.) |
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| 09:37.46 | raf256 | wow awesome job on braking CUPS |
| 09:38.08 | raf256 | how hard is it to print 3 pages :( |
| 09:38.39 | raf256 | good think there is the workaround still it dont work for KDE stuff :/ |
| 09:38.42 | raf256 | *thing |
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| 09:39.48 | jiggs | I have a debian box with 2 NICs, eth0 is configured as 192.168.10.2 and eth1 on a different subnet 192.168.20.2, when I activate both interfaces, I can ping machines on both subnet but I can't ping the box, what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:39.56 | jiggs | when I disable eth1, I can ping the box again |
| 09:40.18 | jiggs | here's the output of my "route" command: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3492 |
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| 09:43.03 | gmak | hi guys |
| 09:43.06 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:43.10 | Mazingaro | please, my X freezes on session restart... |
| 09:43.30 | gmak | are there any plans for debian after 4.0 release to shorten the lifecycle of the testing distributions in the future |
| 09:43.55 | gmak | mazingaro: driver? |
| 09:44.38 | Mazingaro | gmak: dunno |
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| 09:45.21 | gmak | well if your X freezes, then you have to check how x is configured and what driver is being used |
| 09:45.46 | gmak | for example you have to make sure that nvidia drivers are correctly installed, if not, yes they can crash |
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| 09:46.02 | evilgeek | sigh. is there anything needed other than soundcard drivers and snd-pcm-oss in order for sound to happen? |
| 09:46.04 | Mazingaro | gmak: no invidia mga |
| 09:46.05 | gmak | same applies for any commercial driver |
| 09:46.12 | karsten | gmak: Yes. |
| 09:46.23 | karsten | gmak: ... we're going to take them out back and shoot them after a month. |
| 09:46.32 | gmak | halol |
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| 09:46.53 | Faithful | I want to clean out my apt transaction log... I started to install an application that I realized was older than the one I have... but now it it is insisting on doing it every time I run apt |
| 09:46.53 | Mazingaro | gmak: Load "fbdev" is it correct? |
| 09:47.13 | karsten | gmak: I think the new goal is suposed to be 12-18 months, but WIR rules. |
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| 09:47.45 | gmak | MAzingaro: i happen not to know your driver at all |
| 09:47.56 | gmak | check if you have glx modules loaded |
| 09:48.02 | Mazingaro | gmak: I mean for loading framebuffer driver |
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| 09:48.19 | gmak | a single statement says nothing |
| 09:48.31 | gmak | please do a paste of your xorg.conf file somewhere and pass the link |
| 09:49.17 | jiggs | gmak, can you help me with my networking problem? |
| 09:49.20 | Mazingaro | gmak: ok wait |
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| 09:50.19 | McCabe | hello |
| 09:50.34 | gmak | jiggs: networking: do a man ifconfig |
| 09:50.41 | gmak | if you happen to use dhcp then |
| 09:50.58 | gmak | dhcpcd -HD or dhcpcd -H first and then ifconfig |
| 09:51.19 | McCabe | anyone know of a tool that lets you switch x screen mode? ie, like ctrl + alt + 'plus' but from scripting.. |
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| 09:52.32 | jiggs | I have set my nics with static ip addresses |
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| 09:53.24 | jiggs | eth0 - 192.168.10.1 / eth1 - 192.168.20.1 |
| 09:53.49 | gmak | ok |
| 09:54.00 | gmak | make sure DNS is set correctly too |
| 09:54.26 | jiggs | the thing is, I can ping the box when only one interface is up... when both are up, I can't ping it anymore |
| 09:54.27 | gmak | u have a gateway through which requests are handled too i presume make sure that is set ok too |
| 09:54.46 | gmak | try this: |
| 09:54.52 | gmak | 192.168.10.1 |
| 09:54.54 | gmak | and |
| 09:54.59 | gmak | 192.168.10.2 |
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| 09:55.02 | gmak | :P |
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| 09:55.52 | jiggs | well I intend to have it available on 2 networks hence the different subnets |
| 09:55.54 | didas | hello. Any suggestion for wireless PCI card working with Debian (2.4 kernel)? Thanks |
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| 09:58.16 | didas | hello. Any suggestions for which wireless PCI card to buy for my Debian system (2.4 kernel)? Thanks for your feedback |
| 09:59.24 | Maulkin | Anything based on the prism chipset |
| 09:59.51 | jatt | how do I rescan the library with rhythmbox? |
| 09:59.52 | didas | Maulkin. Any specific brand you have in mind? |
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| 10:00.37 | Maulkin | didas: pick something from http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_hostif.php?hostif=PCI |
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| 10:02.15 | didas | Maulkin. Very good link. Thank you |
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| 10:02.57 | Mazingaro | gmak: I'll paste you my log |
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| 10:03.55 | Crissi | hello |
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| 10:04.16 | Crissi | how is the state of the ipw3945 driver for debian? |
| 10:04.58 | Crissi | the driver is a long time available and still not in debian unstable/testing... why? |
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| 10:05.17 | karsten | jiggs: Sounds like you've got two default routes set. |
| 10:05.22 | Crissi | if there isexist a open source driver it should be in debian |
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| 10:06.24 | Coweater | Crissi: if it's not there it's because nobody has done the work to put it in |
| 10:06.53 | Crissi | its strange because there is a wishlist entry and ubuntu has packages... |
| 10:06.53 | Maulkin | Crissi: There seems to be a related package in experiemntal |
| 10:07.14 | Maulkin | Crissi: wishlist entry? |
| 10:07.38 | Crissi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372118 |
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| 10:08.06 | Tallu | Hmm my xorg crashed. I tried to login via ssh and stop gdm but the screen is still stuck. Any way I can fix this without restarting the computer? |
| 10:09.58 | Crissi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363967 |
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| 10:10.06 | DerJamster | Tallu: X is completely killed? |
| 10:10.06 | Tallu | DerJamster: hmm restart did the trick, killing wasnt enough |
| 10:10.06 | didas | Maulkin: "prism GT" chipset will do the job, you think? |
| 10:10.06 | DerJamster | Tallu: Next time try switching to a vortial console on the box with the usual ctrl+alt+f* after killing gdm/X |
| 10:10.07 | Maulkin | Crissi: Have you actually *read* that page? |
| 10:10.08 | Tallu | DerJamster: I couldn't switch, that was the problem.. it was completely stuck |
| 10:10.08 | buu | Tallu: How exactly is screen stuck? |
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| 10:10.10 | Mazingaro | gmak: http://pastebin.ca/138618 |
| 10:10.14 | Tallu | DerJamster: I mean I did /etc/init.d/gdm restart.. not restart the computer :) |
| 10:10.20 | DerJamster | Ahhhhh :P |
| 10:10.28 | DerJamster | okay :) |
| 10:10.42 | Tallu | buu: well, just like windows.. no movement on monitor, no response from keyboard nor mouse. :P for a moment there i got scared |
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| 10:11.35 | Maulkin | didas: No idea |
| 10:11.38 | Tallu | I'm finally getting the hang of this. :) I just upgraded to etch and thus far seem to be doing ok hehe, xorg just took some configuring |
| 10:11.49 | Maulkin | Crissi: Go read those bugs. They contain the current status |
| 10:12.37 | Crissi | i have already read. |
| 10:12.50 | Crissi | the second one seems to be active |
| 10:13.18 | Maulkin | Crissi: therefore your question should be answered |
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| 10:14.08 | gmak | MAzingaro: nforce chipset? |
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| 10:15.17 | Crissi | Maulkin: not really. there is not written when its in debian... |
| 10:15.18 | gmak | which card is it exaclty again? |
| 10:15.44 | Maulkin | Crissi: It'll be in Debian by the next stable release |
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| 10:16.47 | Crissi | ok.. thats the current testing.. so i can hope that it will be next time come in :) |
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| 10:17.51 | Mazingaro | gmak: no |
| 10:18.01 | Mazingaro | gmak: matrox g400 |
| 10:19.20 | Crissi | thx a lot |
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| 10:20.01 | evilgeek | hm. how does one set the IRQ to which a PCI device is mapped? |
| 10:20.02 | gmak | Mazingaro: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=256 |
| 10:20.19 | gmak | complete tutorial especially for your card under debian |
| 10:20.19 | five0` | does anybody know how to send a url to a running firefox instance, and have it open up a new tab? I'd like to use tab-specifc commandline options to firefox in a sensible-browser confi |
| 10:20.35 | five0` | atm, it's creating new instances of firefox (which conflicts with already running instances) |
| 10:21.03 | Maulkin | five0`: man firefox :) |
| 10:21.25 | five0` | Maulkin: i could've sworn that it wasn't an option when last i looked |
| 10:21.31 | five0` | i know that i's possible with opera |
| 10:21.38 | blondie | mine just does that |
| 10:21.43 | blondie | opens new URLs in new tabs |
| 10:21.57 | five0` | ok |
| 10:21.59 | Maulkin | five0`: It's in the man page... |
| 10:22.12 | blondie | five0`: go to Edit -> Prefs -> Tabs |
| 10:22.16 | five0` | Maulkin: yeah, it looks like sensible browser is sensible enough |
| 10:22.22 | Tallu | five0`: theres a setting in prefs, as blondie said |
| 10:22.28 | five0` | blondie: i've configured that (via an extension) |
| 10:22.33 | blondie | an extension? |
| 10:22.38 | five0` | i think it has to do with the fact that I'm running dual-head |
| 10:22.42 | five0` | without xinerama |
| 10:22.44 | five0` | :D |
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| 10:22.58 | five0` | blondie: one of the popular tab-related extensions |
| 10:23.02 | blondie | maybe your extensions are breaking it, who knows --- it just opens new tabs for me |
| 10:23.56 | five0` | ah, no. If i had a firefox instance at :0.1, and i were to call sensible browser from :0.0, it'd create a new firefox instance |
| 10:24.14 | five0` | thanks guys |
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| 10:26.21 | niafr0n | hello. I try to upgrade libgcc1 on my OS (debian sid 2.6.17-1-k7), but an error occured every time in the post-installation script due to a segmentation error in ldconfig, someone can help me, please ? |
| 10:30.55 | jatt | niafr0n: could you pastebin the output of the post-installation script. I do have the following version installed on my laptop ii libgcc1 4.1.1-11 GCC support library |
| 10:31.19 | five0` | another annoying firefox issue: why are the interface fonts so large, despite my appropriate alterations of userChrome |
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| 10:33.57 | niafr0n | dpkg : erreur de traitement de libgcc1 (--configure) : |
| 10:33.57 | niafr0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.57 | niafr0n | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : |
| 10:33.57 | niafr0n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:34.10 | niafr0n | erf sorry |
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| 10:34.39 | jatt | aaaargh I said *pastebin |
| 10:34.48 | jatt | * not "paste here" |
| 10:34.59 | five0` | define bin |
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| 10:35.52 | five0` | logistical nightmare aside, we could always modify the topic on a per-locale basis :) |
| 10:36.01 | five0` | #flood |
| 10:36.20 | niafr0n | erf ... sorry ... |
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| 10:37.19 | jatt | five0`: uh? /msg dpgk pastebin is there since ages, no need to define "bin" at all |
| 10:37.26 | jatt | s/dpgk/dpkg |
| 10:37.56 | JohnQ | my apt-get update seems to be in an infinite loop... getting and regetting the same things.. "Get:205 2006-08-12-1302.00.pdiff [16.1kB]" .. whats going on? |
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| 10:39.14 | niafr0n | jatt, do you want receive the output of my "apt-get" in privmsg ? |
| 10:39.28 | niafr0n | or with the bot ? |
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| 10:40.28 | five0` | niafr0n: try using pastebin, and providing the link here, for the rest of the channel to see |
| 10:41.04 | eml | Uhm, I'm having troubles with special characters. I downloaded a .deb-file of Eterm, got every dependency working and so on, everything seems fine, except for my special characters! Any tips on where I should go from here? It seems to be utf-8 instead of iso-8859-15 which I'd want it to be (unicode is just not accepted around swedes on IRC yet). |
| 10:41.16 | jatt | niafr0n: yes provide just a link to pastebin here |
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| 10:42.27 | niafr0n | ok cheers |
| 10:46.03 | cahoot | eml: tried dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 10:46.12 | niafr0n | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3493 |
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| 10:47.29 | eml | cahoot, Isn't there any bug-free UI for that program? Worst I've ever seen :P |
| 10:48.53 | jatt | niafr0n: which architecture does your debian run on? i386? |
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| 10:49.28 | niafr0n | i686 |
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| 10:58.54 | niafr0n | jatt, I wrote a "more complete" paste : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3494 |
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| 11:01.24 | jatt | niafr0n: is very strange ldconfig does not segfault for me and libgcc1 (4.1.1-11) is installed |
| 11:01.35 | jatt | which version of the libc6 package do you have? |
| 11:02.14 | quitte | niafr0n: could you please set LANG=C? |
| 11:03.29 | niafr0n | jatt, libc6-i686 (2.3.6.ds1-2) |
| 11:03.32 | jatt | niafr0n: you could also try to install libc6-dev and debug the core file generated by ldconfig |
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| 11:04.38 | liable | bugger, this |----| close to getting aiglx and compiz working on my od laptop |
| 11:04.41 | jatt | niafr0n: ldconfig is generating a core file isn't it? what does |
| 11:04.41 | jatt | file ./core |
| 11:04.41 | jatt | say? |
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| 11:06.16 | niafr0n | quitte, you spoke about UTF-8 ? |
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| 11:06.45 | quitte | niafr0n: no. that would change the language of the output to english. |
| 11:06.55 | niafr0n | yes of cours |
| 11:08.54 | niafr0n | jatt, how can I know if ldconfig generated a core file? |
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| 11:11.22 | jatt | niafr0n: just run |
| 11:11.22 | jatt | ls -altr core* |
| 11:11.22 | jatt | in the same directory you ran ldconfig |
| 11:12.42 | niafr0n | jatt, I don't have any core files |
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| 11:13.00 | jatt | niafr0n: do |
| 11:13.00 | jatt | ulimit -a |
| 11:13.00 | jatt | and then run ldconfig again |
| 11:13.31 | niafr0n | ok |
| 11:13.57 | niafr0n | the same error occured |
| 11:14.08 | jatt | niafr0n: ok but still no core file? |
| 11:14.29 | niafr0n | yes no core file found |
| 11:14.31 | jatt | niafr0n: sorry I meant |
| 11:14.34 | Diazepam | guys can someone tell me how you can redirect system mail to an external email address like a gmail account? |
| 11:14.35 | jatt | ulimit -c unlimited |
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| 11:14.57 | jatt | niafr0n: ulimit -a, only displays the current limits, with ulimit -c core files are generated no matter its size |
| 11:15.03 | niafr0n | ok I have one core file :) |
| 11:15.18 | jatt | niafr0n: what does |
| 11:15.18 | jatt | file ./core |
| 11:15.18 | jatt | say? |
| 11:15.28 | niafr0n | ok I didn't know this command ... |
| 11:15.44 | niafr0n | ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, from 'ldconfig |
| 11:16.04 | niafr0n | but I have a AMD Duron |
| 11:16.19 | jatt | niafr0n: hmmm you have a 64bit processor? |
| 11:16.45 | niafr0n | no but my processor is unknown ... I don't understand |
| 11:17.05 | niafr0n | it's a 32 bits ... may be I could try to replace it |
| 11:17.11 | jatt | niafr0n: well at least with those steps we are sure ldconfig itself crashed and not other program spawned by it |
| 11:17.19 | jatt | niafr0n: no no need to replace :) |
| 11:18.26 | jatt | could you try |
| 11:18.26 | jatt | gdb ldconfig core |
| 11:18.26 | jatt | issue a backtrace with bt and pastebin its output? |
| 11:18.38 | niafr0n | ok |
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| 11:19.06 | jatt | niafr0n: you installed libc6-dev isn't it? |
| 11:19.22 | jatt | niafr0n: I mean libc6-dbg |
| 11:21.18 | niafr0n | no I am installing libc6-dbg |
| 11:22.07 | quitte | hmm. seems it's impossible to build cross compilers for x86 other than i486 the debian way. bah. |
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| 11:28.18 | niafr0n | jatt, I have a "problem", how can I install libc6-dbg without config the libgcc1 in apt ? |
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| 11:30.45 | jatt | niafr0n: you can download it from |
| 11:30.46 | jatt | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libdevel/libc6-dbg |
| 11:30.46 | jatt | and install it with dpkg -i |
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| 11:31.35 | Malagmyr | gah |
| 11:31.41 | niafr0n | arf I'm sorry ... |
| 11:32.14 | Malagmyr | I had sound (but not too good), installed alsa (which didn't work), uninstalled alsa and now I have no sound at all. How do I get OSS back? Sarge. |
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| 11:35.47 | liable | Malagmyr: just load the modules |
| 11:36.24 | liable | Malagmyr: if you ran also conf, they were prolly blacklisted |
| 11:36.29 | liable | alsaconf.. |
| 11:37.51 | Malagmyr | ah |
| 11:38.09 | niafr0n | jatt, I have the same error installing libc6-dbg with ldconfig ... |
| 11:38.15 | Malagmyr | checking blacklist... as soon as I remember how. wait.. I don't have to! |
| 11:38.19 | Malagmyr | !tell me about blacklist |
| 11:38.23 | Malagmyr | <3 |
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| 11:40.00 | jatt | niafr0n: the idea to install libc6-dbg wasn't fix the problem but to try to get a better backtrace from the crash :) Did you already try |
| 11:40.00 | jatt | gdb ldconfig core |
| 11:40.00 | jatt | and then inside gdb issue a backtrace with bt 10 for example? |
| 11:40.14 | Malagmyr | hm.. nothing in /etc/discover-modprobe.conf or /etc/hotplug/blacklist. I have some modules loaded for sound, but I think those are the alsa ones |
| 11:40.37 | hackeron | hey, anyone knows how to get individual flac files from 1 large flac with a cue sheet? |
| 11:40.46 | Malagmyr | snd_maestro3 snc_pcm_oss snd_pcm snd_ac97_snd <-- are these alsa modules? |
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| 11:41.18 | ma3x | how do I apply patch? |
| 11:41.27 | niafr0n | jatt, I have just the information about the seg fault in EIP ... |
| 11:41.38 | niafr0n | with the backtrace |
| 11:42.23 | cahoot | Malagmyr: yes |
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| 11:42.28 | jatt | niafr0n: sure you had an assembly backtrace. But usually you cannot do very much about those. I hoped that with a source backtrace I could see where exactly ldconfig is failing |
| 11:42.57 | Malagmyr | cahoot: so if I blacklist those, I'm likely to get oss back? |
| 11:43.35 | jatt | jatt: fact is, it shouldn't crash. I am using an amd64 laptop now, so it is a different architecture than yours. It may be a bug |
| 11:43.37 | cahoot | Malagmyr: can't say never tried reverting to oss |
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| 11:44.21 | Malagmyr | hm.. testing |
| 11:44.24 | cahoot | Malagmyr: but obviously you can't have both alsa and oss modules loaded at the sam time |
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| 11:45.05 | niafr0n | may be I should try to upgrade the bios because the CPU (1.8GHz) mounted on a motherboard device which supports 1.6GHz ... |
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| 11:48.02 | quitte | jatt: i doubt it's a bug. a such a problem with ldconfig would have been noticed by a lot of others. |
| 11:48.42 | jatt | quitte: I think so |
| 11:49.21 | quitte | i'd try replacing it anyways. or at least check its md5sum. |
| 11:50.02 | yure | hy. does anyone know of any tool to convert microsoft word to pdf from command line? |
| 11:50.07 | quitte | what version of libc6 is that? |
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| 11:51.28 | quitte | for 2.3.6.ds1-2 the md5sum of ldconfig is a2bfc749c3ec1166f82ec935fa839e2e |
| 11:52.15 | fireba11 | question: i got a box running headless etch fine .. now i need a desktop to play around with various things, amarok being one of thse, so i need a desktop .. how i go about installing one so i end up with only the stuff i need ? |
| 11:52.49 | quitte | fireba11: decide what you need and then install it |
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| 11:53.56 | fireba11 | quitte i remember it's easy when installing KDE t end up with about everything from it not just the desktop ;-) |
| 11:53.58 | Blissex | fireba11: look at the ''tasks'' or the metapackages for each desktop type. You install one, it triggers the install of the rest that is needed. |
| 11:54.03 | fireba11 | quitte: so i though better ask first |
| 11:54.23 | quitte | well in that case avoid tasks |
| 11:54.30 | niafr0n | quitte, my md5sum of ldconfig is 537697a4b6145f1b297a05d78c5ab335 ... may be it's not a bug me too I doubt it's bug ... |
| 11:54.39 | Blissex | fireba11: either you know what to install, or you get just about everything with one of the tasks or metapackages... But there are some ''base'' metpackages. |
| 11:54.47 | quitte | niafr0n: what version of libc6? |
| 11:54.56 | fireba11 | Blissex: like .. ? |
| 11:55.35 | Blissex | fireba11: explore a bit... but usually if you something like 'kdebase' it will trigger the install only of the minimal stuff. |
| 11:55.53 | quitte | niafr0n: well, try reinstalling it. apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 11:56.29 | fireba11 | Blissex: okay |
| 11:57.01 | quitte | i think it's a funny idea to choose kde for a minimal desktop |
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| 11:57.52 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 11:59.22 | Blissex | quitte: minimal for KDE, and the core KDE is fairly small... |
| 11:59.51 | eniac | I've just installed debian root partition /dev/hdb5 this is my grub conf line kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb5 still I get an error about an incorrect root value when the kernel is loading ? |
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| 12:01.59 | niafr0n | quitte, after a apt-get clean and a apt-get install --reinstall libc6, there are still a dependency error ... |
| 12:02.03 | Malagmyr | "libsys_init(): /proc/apm: No such file or directory" wtf? I have everything else in there. It worked yesterday! |
| 12:02.13 | Malagmyr | (trying to launch cpufreqd) |
| 12:02.38 | quitte | niafr0n: pastebin it,please |
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| 12:03.07 | cahoot | eniac: /boot/grub/device.map shows the devices you expect? |
| 12:03.54 | eniac | cahoot: I've installed debian without a bootloader I'm using some other systems bootloader |
| 12:04.20 | eniac | cahoot: is that file static or dynamic? else I could mount the drive and take a look .. ? |
| 12:04.39 | cahoot | eniac: look fairly static to me |
| 12:04.44 | gmak | Blissex: which debian are you on ? (stable, testing, unstable) |
| 12:04.56 | eniac | cahoot: I never installed grub, since I'm using an other GNU/Linux systems bootloader (grubà ) |
| 12:05.00 | Blissex | gmak: stable... |
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| 12:05.28 | cahoot | eniac: why do you exect the grub conf be of importance if you use another bootloader? |
| 12:05.29 | Blissex | gmak: technically, ''Debian'' is only the stable version. The other two are not distributions, they are repositories. |
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| 12:05.49 | eniac | cahoot: where did I say it's of any importance ? |
| 12:05.53 | gmak | blissex: but you cannot install from those repositories into stable... |
| 12:06.03 | eniac | cahoot: I'm using some other Linux systems grub not the debian grub |
| 12:06.23 | gmak | meaning I always have to compile new stuff i cannot find :s |
| 12:06.24 | Blissex | gmak: you can if you are tough and vicious with repositories... :-) |
| 12:06.26 | cahoot | eniac: ok I misunderstood |
| 12:06.30 | Blissex | gmak: ahhhhhhhhh |
| 12:06.43 | Blissex | gmak: OK, I use 'stable' plus 'backports.org' |
| 12:06.57 | gmak | blissex: backports does not have a decent gnome / kde though |
| 12:07.06 | gmak | everything outdated damn it |
| 12:07.09 | niafr0n | quitte : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3497 |
| 12:07.59 | gmak | not to mention we are still at XFree86 :s |
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| 12:08.37 | quitte | niafr0n: ok. dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6... |
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| 12:08.53 | quitte | niafr0n: and then try ldconfig again |
| 12:08.53 | jlaw | good morning |
| 12:08.55 | Blissex | gmak: XFree86 and Xorg are almost identical. You are not losing anything. And there are a lot of updates in backport.org |
| 12:09.07 | gmak | was making an example |
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| 12:09.34 | gmak | gnome 2.14 is not in the backports :p |
| 12:09.50 | Tallu | Someone recommend me a laptop with good battery life. Doesnt have to be 'high end' since that usually acts against the battery life hehe |
| 12:09.57 | jlaw | gmak, you should use kde anyway !-) |
| 12:10.06 | quitte | Tallu: thinkpad x60 |
| 12:10.58 | gmak | jlaw: i use both, they have nice apps |
| 12:11.08 | gmak | neither 3.5.x branch is in debian :P |
| 12:11.46 | gmak | and ubuntu = total crap |
| 12:11.46 | niafr0n | quitte: there are nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6 |
| 12:11.46 | gmak | i really think it is the ugliest rushjob ever seen asides their livecd performance |
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| 12:11.46 | niafr0n | I have launch apt-get clean ... may be ... |
| 12:11.49 | quitte | niafr0n: you were supposed to complete the filename yourself |
| 12:11.50 | Tallu | quitte: ahh.. too expensive I'm afraid.. I'm looking to spend around a 800-1000 euros, it's for personal use. :( Had to give up my vaio when I quit :p |
| 12:12.07 | jlaw | gmak, etch comes with kde 3.5 |
| 12:12.16 | niafr0n | quitte, I have one directory "partial" and one empty file "lock" |
| 12:12.25 | quitte | Tallu: well. some other x series then. i'D recommend something refurbished |
| 12:12.27 | niafr0n | that's all |
| 12:12.34 | quitte | niafr0n: are you installing from cd? |
| 12:12.38 | gmak | jlaw: etch != stable |
| 12:12.43 | niafr0n | no from network |
| 12:12.51 | Tallu | quitte: okay I'll check them out. Thanks. :) Yeah, 8 hour battery life would be welcome.. that looked pretty nice |
| 12:12.52 | jlaw | gmak, thought anout kubuntu? |
| 12:12.54 | gmak | and I am not ready to become a test animal right now, i highly depend |
| 12:12.57 | jlaw | *about |
| 12:13.03 | gmak | *ubuntu = &crap; |
| 12:13.09 | gmak | whoops sorry |
| 12:13.28 | gmak | UBUNTUvar* ubuntu; ubuntu = &crap; |
| 12:13.37 | gmak | here, for the sake of being syntactically correct |
| 12:13.49 | jlaw | ;) |
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| 12:14.01 | quitte | niafr0n: huh? ok. just download it manually from packages.debian.org. i don't understand why it wasn't downloaded to there,though. |
| 12:14.39 | gmak | the reason i left debian _long_ time ago and moved to someone else was the fact that we get a bit old at times with stuff of everyday desktop use; as a server stable is excellent |
| 12:14.54 | gmak | but i want to come back :) |
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| 12:15.51 | jlaw | where there's a will there's a way, try out etch, gmak !-) |
| 12:15.56 | niafr0n | quitte, yes I will try that ... |
| 12:15.59 | niafr0n | thanks |
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| 12:16.39 | gmak | jlaw I am afraid that if it breaks while i do something important for work purposes i will regret it |
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| 12:17.33 | gmak | u on etch? |
| 12:17.40 | jlaw | you have to know what serves your needs best, i'm fine with etch for months now. |
| 12:18.59 | gmak | "you have to know what serves your needs best" : stability not through outdating software |
| 12:19.03 | Malagmyr | Why does "apm" say I have no apm support in my kernel, /proc/apm doesn't exist, modprobe apm doesn't give any errors and it all worked yesterday? |
| 12:19.37 | jlaw | admittedly i had to do some ugly stuff (ie nvidia driver with xorg 7), but nothing impossible |
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| 12:20.32 | gmak | hmm any screenies of your box while working on adequate load to be considered busy? |
| 12:20.46 | gmak | i am on nvidia too, thank God I am |
| 12:20.55 | Malagmyr | apmd doesn't give any errors on restart, and I have acpi=off in the append section of my lilo config. afaik, everything should be perfect. someone please help |
| 12:21.12 | jlaw | gmak o_O i think the highest load comes when i'm playing americas army or nexuiz |
| 12:21.28 | gmak | screenie! |
| 12:21.32 | gmak | screenie! |
| 12:21.45 | jlaw | gmak, in game screen or just the desk? |
| 12:22.00 | Blissex | gmak: so have you had a look at http://WWW.backports.org/ ? |
| 12:23.12 | gmak | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages |
| 12:23.19 | gmak | "this topic does not exist yet" |
| 12:23.21 | gmak | LOL |
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| 12:23.33 | sanzo-ma | Anyone can tell me where i can find udev logs on my machine? Udev complains about a million of things on startup and i can' t read fast enough. |
| 12:23.35 | jlaw | gmak ... this is a pretty current screenie http://www.directupload.net/show/d/792/xh2lZ4rg.png |
| 12:23.37 | gmak | jlaw: some apps |
| 12:23.50 | jlaw | gmak ... but nothing wich causes really high load |
| 12:24.16 | gmak | a bit ugly |
| 12:24.17 | gmak | ;P |
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| 12:24.27 | jlaw | it's the nicest desktop ever |
| 12:25.01 | gmak | no candy though only high contrast icons |
| 12:25.10 | gmak | how can you see that hurts my eyes |
| 12:25.45 | jlaw | at least it's difficult to create more contrast |
| 12:25.46 | Tallu | sanzo-ma: on startup? dmesg | grep udev |
| 12:25.58 | gmak | lol @ jlaw |
| 12:26.09 | gmak | blissex: so where is backports package browsing |
| 12:26.46 | Blissex | gmak: they have the URL to the repo there... You can check it out via a browser of course. |
| 12:26.54 | sanzo-ma | Tallu, dmesg | grep udev returns nothing. There is something in /var/log/syslog... but it's from months ago. |
| 12:27.18 | gmak | of course, ad? |
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| 12:28.15 | Frostbite | I'm looking into hosting 2 servers in one datacenter and two servers in another. There will be a VLAN between the two and all updates between them will be tunnelled over a vpn or ssh. RTT is 12ms. If there's a webserver and a db server in each datacenter, what's the best way to spread users between them while handling failing? Direct routing won't work due to the differing subnets. Proxys kinda ruin the objective if one site goes down. Only |
| 12:28.15 | Frostbite | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.49 | Blissex | Frostbite: don't use SSH for tunneling unless it is the only way... |
| 12:28.59 | sanzo-ma | Tallu, maybe udev isn't logging that messages (something about being unable to remove a /dev/something dir 'cause the fs is readonly), i will try to change the verbosity of logs. |
| 12:29.22 | Frostbite | Blissex: ok. |
| 12:29.22 | Blissex | Frostbite: the rest of your question is complicate enough that IRC is not the correct place to discuss it. |
| 12:29.22 | Tallu | sanzo-ma: I checked the /etc/udev/udev.conf and you can set the logging level (to syslog) there |
| 12:29.28 | Frostbite | Blissex, where should I ask? |
| 12:29.29 | Blissex | Frostbite: you got to read a lot :-). |
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| 12:29.41 | Tallu | sanzo-ma: yes you can change it to info there, or on runtime.. although that wont help if it only comes on startup :P |
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| 12:29.48 | Frostbite | Blissex, give me a technology name or somehing and I'll read ;) |
| 12:29.55 | Blissex | Frostbite: let's say it is not a simple and easy thing. |
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| 12:30.06 | Frostbite | Blissex, I understand that. |
| 12:30.22 | Blissex | Frostbite: look for linux high availability, clustering |
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| 12:30.58 | Blissex | Frostbite: e.g. look here: http://www.linux-ha.org/ as a starting point |
| 12:31.05 | sanzo-ma | Tallu, i don't know what's wrong with the latest udev, my mouse won't work on startup, reconnecting it will solve... but with a little more info maybe i can find something better :) |
| 12:31.05 | alexandre | dhclient eth0 says the network is down, ifconfig says that it is up but not running, what can I do? |
| 12:31.21 | sanzo-ma | Tallu, thanks anyway. |
| 12:31.47 | Frostbite | Blissex, I'm already understand that, but VRRP or CARP won't run across subnets. As for the directors, tunneling would work, but then I come back to the problem where the directors will be proxying the data, which due the the distance between them, I don't want. |
| 12:31.49 | Tallu | sanzo-ma: yeah sorry i couldnt help more.. im somewhat of a novice myself. |
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| 12:32.14 | Blissex | Frostbite: you can't have everything unfortunately... |
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| 12:32.37 | Blissex | Frostbite: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ too just in case. |
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| 12:33.02 | Blissex | Frostbite: doing a _distributed_ failsafe cluster is a bit of a challenging project to say the least. |
| 12:33.08 | Frostbite | Blissex, Would CARP or VRRP run over different subjects or am I mistaken? If so, I could have a virtual IP that fails over between the datacenters. Maybe heartbeat? |
| 12:33.44 | Frostbite | Hmm, to be honest, I could just ping the other datacenter and if it fails, take the IP. |
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| 12:33.51 | Blissex | Frostbite: or you could use a VLAN... As you were saying. |
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| 12:34.31 | Blissex | Frostbite: but «ping» and «take the IP» is a bit simplistic. |
| 12:35.00 | Frostbite | Blissex, oh, of course. Well with the VLAN, it'll work fine. Thanks for the help ... you sorta got my thoughts in line. |
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| 12:35.22 | alexandre | ifup eth0 says: failed to bring up eth0 |
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| 12:36.03 | Blissex | Frostbite: and thanks heavens that you got only 12ms between them; there is a reason why clustering assumes it works on a LAN by default. |
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| 12:36.40 | Frostbite | Blissex, I know - that's why I mentioned the RTT time :) Ohterwise, people would've laughed ;P |
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| 12:37.50 | alexandre | in dmesg I got: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 12:38.15 | alexandre | how can I ask it to get ready? |
| 12:38.27 | sanzo-ma | anyone has problems with the latest udev in sid? |
| 12:39.20 | cahoot | sanzo-ma: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=udev |
| 12:39.27 | jlaw | oh, btw. has anyone here ever managed to compile a kernel module for an asus WL-167g usb wlan stick? |
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| 12:41.45 | sanzo-ma | cahoot, i checked before asking. Nothing that rensemble my problem. |
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| 12:42.25 | cahoot | sanzo-ma: well your question was kind of 'open' |
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| 12:42.52 | alexandre | sanzo-ma: is sid unstable? I got problem with it on unstable |
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| 12:43.02 | sanzo-ma | cahoot, I know, i'm sorry for that. I just wanted to know if it was a well known fact that things were broken in sid. |
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| 12:43.12 | sanzo-ma | alexandre, yes, it's in sid. |
| 12:43.46 | alexandre | sanzo-ma: I can't get the error in dmesg but I see some udevd problem |
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| 12:44.08 | alexandre | sanzo-ma: I think having to do with group |
| 12:44.18 | sanzo-ma | same. I tried to increase the verbosity of udev in syslog but nothing. |
| 12:44.51 | sanzo-ma | the same thing. And my mouse stopped working :). Disconnecting and reconnecting solves it.. |
| 12:44.52 | Frostbite | Blissex, would direct routing work over a vlan? |
| 12:44.54 | Blissex | Frostbite: anyhow from this tutorial: http://www.ultramonkey.org/papers/lvs_tutorial/html/ you might find that you don't need a VLAN, just multicasting. |
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| 12:45.07 | Frostbite | Blissex, I'll give it a read .. ty |
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| 12:45.45 | ma3x | whats better bluray or hddvd? |
| 12:45.46 | Blissex | Frostbite: and yes, it should over a VLAN (note the ''should''). |
| 12:45.47 | alexandre | sanzo-ma: same but I can't ndisconnect it so I am without X |
| 12:46.14 | Blissex | ma3x: they are both very bad ideas because of evil digital restriction management. |
| 12:46.15 | jlaw | gmak, are you responsive? |
| 12:46.22 | alexandre | sanzo-ma: it is on my laptop |
| 12:46.42 | ma3x | Blissex, what kind of restriction is that? |
| 12:46.43 | sanzo-ma | alexandre, i was wondering... :) |
| 12:47.24 | Blissex | ma3x: everything that you can imagine and is encoded on the disk... |
| 12:47.39 | sanzo-ma | alexandre, i receive errors about being unable to remove /dev/something because of a readonly fs. But i'm not able to find a trace of these messages after boot. |
| 12:48.03 | ma3x | Blissex, so what does that prevent? seeing the film? |
| 12:48.14 | cahoot | sanzo-ma: enable bootlogd? |
| 12:48.41 | Frostbite | Blissex, won't sharing IPs confuse the routers in between? |
| 12:48.46 | ma3x | Blissex, what do those formats contain that the simple dvd doesnt? it says a lot more information. but what kind of information? |
| 12:48.48 | Blissex | ma3x: seeing a film more than say 5 times, or backing it up, or seeing it via a TV that does not have copy protection, ... |
| 12:49.05 | sanzo-ma | cahoot, thanks i didn't know about it. |
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| 12:49.22 | cahoot | sanzo-ma: /etc/default/bootlogd IIRC |
| 12:49.39 | alexandre | sanzo-ma: atm I am trying to solve networking problem on my desktop, the laptop problem will be after :-) |
| 12:49.41 | Blissex | Frostbite: ahhhh, no idea without sitting down, and thinking it through. IRC not the right place for discussing weird configs. |
| 12:50.05 | Frostbite | Blissex, ok. thank you very much for your help |
| 12:50.23 | ma3x | Blissex, how could they prevent you from seeing the movie over 5 times? |
| 12:50.38 | jlaw | Blissex, which would be a better place in your opinion? |
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| 12:51.12 | Blissex | jlaw: perhaps a mailing list... |
| 12:52.06 | Blissex | jlaw: or USENET. Some place where conversation can be a few dozen lines to explain, a few hours or days to look at it, and write a memo in reply. Instant messaging it one-two lines at a time on the hop.. |
| 12:52.36 | jlaw | Blissex, well ... irc is somehow more direct and immediate, and what do we have pastebin for |
| 12:52.47 | Frostbite | Blissex, which list/newsgroup would you recommend? |
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| 12:53.32 | jlaw | Blissex, but basically you're right !-) |
| 12:54.08 | Blissex | Frostbite: those associated with LVS or Linu-HA; because specific packages can do different things. |
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| 12:55.05 | ma3x | Blissex, how could they prevent you from seeing the movie over 5 times? |
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| 12:55.28 | rootest | hi all |
| 12:56.24 | jlaw | rootest, where are root and rooter |
| 12:56.25 | Blissex | ma3x: well, a HD-DVD or BlueRay drive is actually a fairly powerful PC with a file server in it. The rules the file server obeys can only be set by the manufacturer. |
| 12:57.54 | ma3x | Blissex, but you said you can't view the movie more than 5 times. how come? |
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| 12:58.30 | Blissex | ma3x: note necessarily; but that could be one of the rules. |
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| 12:59.39 | ma3x | Blissex, but is the quality of the picture better than on a dvd? or what? |
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| 13:00.32 | Blissex | ma3x: it is much better, if you have exactly the right equipment. |
| 13:01.22 | Frostbite | ma3x, from a distance, the picture is similar because of the resolution of the retina. Walk up to your tv; put your head next to the tv. You'll see colour'd dots and no picture. HD makes those dots finer. |
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| 13:01.42 | Frostbite | So basically, higher resolution |
| 13:02.06 | jlaw | Frostbite, more a higher dpi |
| 13:02.24 | Frostbite | jlaw, resolution is dpi, no> |
| 13:02.25 | Frostbite | ? |
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| 13:03.02 | jlaw | Frostbite, no dpi is Dots Per Inch ... but a pixel may contain 10 dots for example |
| 13:03.21 | Frostbite | jlaw, bah, technicalities ;P |
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| 13:04.48 | ma3x | Frostbite, and is there a player which you can attach to the laptop? |
| 13:04.54 | fasta | Is there any way to be absolutely sure that my Sweex router is dead? I am pretty sure that pinging on 192.168.2.1 should contact it. |
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| 13:05.04 | jlaw | Frostbite, but that does not matter anyway when we have oled displays *slobber* |
| 13:05.06 | Frostbite | ma3x, for both, yes |
| 13:05.23 | Frostbite | jlaw, ditto. I watch TV on a 17" TFT ;P |
| 13:05.32 | Frostbite | computer tft, I mean |
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| 13:07.00 | ma3x | Frostbite, how much does one such player costs about? 100 200 300 usd? |
| 13:07.15 | Frostbite | ma3x, no idea ... look on the net |
| 13:07.25 | jlaw | fasta, if it's cisco compatible it may has some peculiar behavior regarding pings !-) |
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| 13:08.24 | ma3x | Frostbite, so what's better to have, bluray or hddvd player? |
| 13:08.51 | beardy | or to wait for the next "standard"? |
| 13:09.01 | Frostbite | ma3x, http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bluray+vs+hddvd&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 13:09.18 | Frostbite | ma3x, but as Blissex said, they're both evil. |
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| 13:09.41 | cahoot | but one of them will prevail? |
| 13:09.50 | jlaw | yep ma3x, 8mm tape is the most secure way, you may even fix problems yourself |
| 13:10.23 | ma3x | jlaw, what's 8mm tape? |
| 13:10.40 | jlaw | ma3x, never mind !-) |
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| 13:12.02 | Blissex | jlaw: I guess you remember quadraphonic audio and vynil videodiscs :-) |
| 13:12.34 | jlaw | ^^ |
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| 13:12.51 | beardy | vinyl videodiscs? never heard of that.. |
| 13:13.10 | moshii | beardy: yeah, but it never really took off IIRC |
| 13:13.10 | seemawn | hi |
| 13:13.22 | moshii | their not made of vinyl any how |
| 13:13.29 | moshii | *they're |
| 13:14.31 | jlaw | lol ... well a geeky friend of me used standard audio tape for saving data with a modded casette recorder, so why don't use vinyl for video ?-) |
| 13:15.01 | jlaw | sounds like a funny project ... maybe i should append my "atari goes laptop" project XP |
| 13:15.09 | moshii | jlaw: because the density isn't all that high |
| 13:16.28 | moshii | jlaw: there was a kit to make an amiga a1200 laptop :/ |
| 13:16.36 | beardy | jlaw: Well, so did almost all microcomputers at one time, saving data on audio cassettetapes.. or do you mean reels? |
| 13:16.39 | stoned | we're learning about harddrives, processors, and memory and how they work together in a computer, like 5 year old stuff |
| 13:16.52 | stoned | as in, 5 year olds learn this stuff |
| 13:17.02 | stoned | This is in my job training btw |
| 13:17.11 | moshii | stoned: you mean fetch execute and all that crap? |
| 13:17.20 | stoned | not at all |
| 13:17.21 | jlaw | beardy, i mean that kind of audio casettes you normally give your kiddos |
| 13:17.41 | dvs | stoned: you're at Dell now? |
| 13:17.43 | stoned | moshii, like how a fridge is a HDD, and how the cooking counter is the RAM, and how the cook is the processor |
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| 13:17.48 | stoned | make your own analogy |
| 13:17.51 | stoned | dvs, yup |
| 13:17.56 | dvs | !beer stoned |
| 13:18.02 | stoned | thanks |
| 13:18.02 | moshii | stoned: oh, painful |
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| 13:18.17 | stoned | moshii, yup |
| 13:18.19 | beardy | stoned: Heh, sounds.. painful.. |
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| 13:18.42 | anapivirtua | Je n'avais qu'elle pour me faire sourir... aujourd'hui je n'ai plus que mes yeux pour plaurer et mon coeur pour saigner, abandonando. |
| 13:18.43 | stoned | I have to re learn and re think, it is a good excercise though |
| 13:18.50 | stoned | I can explain anything to you guys right |
| 13:18.58 | stoned | because we're mostly all tech savvy |
| 13:19.08 | stoned | but I can't explain/teach anything to a kid |
| 13:19.12 | stoned | I can't dumb things down |
| 13:19.19 | beardy | stoned: You have to become dumb. |
| 13:19.22 | Blissex | apologize in advance for this weird poll, but let me ask: how many have _seen_ an 8" floppy disc? |
| 13:19.47 | stoned | 8"? Never. |
| 13:19.59 | beardy | !lobotomize stoned |
| 13:20.09 | stoned | sweet sweet lobotomy |
| 13:20.37 | stoned | no more pain, or the realization of pain |
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| 13:20.56 | stoned | is gnome broken in sid? |
| 13:20.56 | fruitboy | Roughly, how many lines of code does the Linux kernel consist of? |
| 13:21.19 | beardy | Blissex: Atleast that was the best poll I've seen in here, though polls are not liked here, but that was atleast a good one. |
| 13:21.22 | stoned | freakzoid0223, hundreds of thousands of not millions maybe |
| 13:21.56 | stoned | fruitboy, ^^. you can find more info at google.com or perhaps kernel.org |
| 13:22.12 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 13:22.13 | beardy | fruitboy: cat /usr/local/linux/whatever | wc -l |
| 13:22.15 | Blissex | beardy: and it was a genuine poll, as in I was actually interested in the result of the poll as such :-). |
| 13:22.34 | DaBlade | I've edited a .deb package to change something inside it, but I can't figure out how to save it.. lol |
| 13:22.39 | DaBlade | Can anyone help me out? |
| 13:22.51 | DaBlade | I extracted all of the stuff, now I can't compress it as a .deb again |
| 13:22.55 | beardy | Blissex: What were 8" floppy discs used on, and, have you seen one? |
| 13:23.05 | beardy | oh |
| 13:23.05 | ph00 | 8'' floppys? neverr ever heard of such |
| 13:23.07 | stoned | DaBlade, just modify the source package any which way, and then apt-get -b source pkgname |
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| 13:23.45 | ph00 | 5.1/4 or whatever they were, I remember thise, but no 8'' |
| 13:23.52 | ph00 | those* |
| 13:23.53 | DaBlade | stoned: Well, I have the files debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz |
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| 13:24.00 | beardy | Blissex: What computer has a floppy drive like that? |
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| 13:24.15 | stoned | DaBlade, the source is inside the unpacked directory |
| 13:24.24 | DaBlade | ? |
| 13:24.41 | Blissex | beardy: the very first non-IBM PCs... Usually CPM based. Often based on the C100 bus. |
| 13:25.00 | DaBlade | stoned: Sorry, I've never done this before... |
| 13:25.11 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 13:25.12 | dpkg | methinks dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 13:25.44 | DaBlade | stoned: What filetype is a deb? |
| 13:25.46 | DaBlade | Tar.gz? |
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| 13:25.52 | DaBlade | If so, I can just compress it as that and rename it |
| 13:25.57 | stoned | DaBlade, /msg dpkg apt howto |
| 13:26.05 | stoned | should be section |
| 13:26.07 | stoned | 6 |
| 13:26.10 | stoned | I can't recall |
| 13:26.17 | DaBlade | ok, thanks |
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| 13:26.32 | stoned | yeah, it is section 6 |
| 13:27.05 | beardy | Blissex: I see. Are you old enough to have bought it yourself? |
| 13:27.11 | DaBlade | chapter 6 is about source packages |
| 13:27.18 | DaBlade | This isn't a source code package, it's binary |
| 13:27.33 | stoned | Oh did I not read correctly? |
| 13:27.45 | DaBlade | Ok, I'll say it again |
| 13:27.47 | Blissex | beardy: when I was a very little boy I cowrote a Lisp interpreter for one such PC :-) |
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| 13:28.03 | DaBlade | I extracted a deb package, edited it and now I wanna compress it back to .deb |
| 13:28.09 | DaBlade | How do I do it? |
| 13:28.28 | DaBlade | I got the files debian-binary, data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz |
| 13:28.34 | Blissex | on the left here a photo of a PC with an 8" drive and both a n 8" and 5" floppy: http://www.webriviste.com/jurassicnews/Controlprogram/cp.asp |
| 13:28.39 | rockow | after installing aircrack-ng, i cannot find it in the kde menu. where should it be? |
| 13:28.43 | beardy | Blissex: Ah :) |
| 13:28.54 | Blissex | DaBlade: a '.deb' is just an 'ar' archive with a different suffix. |
| 13:29.03 | DaBlade | ar, aha |
| 13:29.04 | DaBlade | Thanks |
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| 13:29.32 | stoned | !package basics |
| 13:29.32 | dpkg | i guess package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 13:29.54 | DaBlade | thanks |
| 13:29.57 | stoned | sure |
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| 13:32.27 | Blissex | lots more photos of drives etc. here: http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&q=8+floppy |
| 13:33.29 | DaBlade | stoned: Damnit, the package is broken! :( |
| 13:33.36 | jlaw | Blissex, you should have a look at this !-) http://benheck.com/Games/Atari_800/Atari_800_laptop_1.htm |
| 13:34.14 | DaBlade | I edited the control file because it required an app that I had, but under a different name. |
| 13:34.23 | DaBlade | Damnit. |
| 13:34.43 | Blissex | jlaw: ahhhh very funny. Is the game on the first page a Miami Vice derivative? |
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| 13:35.41 | jlaw | Blissex, dunno. that is not my project, just my inspiration^^ |
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| 13:37.19 | jlaw | Blissex. i'm going to mod my atari 1040 st |
| 13:37.28 | dvs | Yuck! |
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| 13:38.20 | firepol | hi, is it possible with apt-get to install a package but not its dependencies? |
| 13:38.46 | me_here | anyone who uses cmucl in etch ? i get a segfault everytime i start cmucl |
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| 13:41.35 | murosai_ | is debian good for a desktop computer? i have heard that debian's packages are quite outdated nowadays |
| 13:42.35 | jlaw | murosai_ the etch packages are pretty up to date |
| 13:43.18 | murosai_ | etch? |
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| 13:43.38 | Blissex | firepol: yes, but it is a very bad idea unless you know what you are doing and then you don't need to ask the question. |
| 13:44.38 | jlaw | murosai, etch is debian testing |
| 13:44.45 | sahasrara | how bad an idea is it to go from 7 yrs of windows only to debian? |
| 13:44.50 | murosai_ | woot, sarge is still latest debian release |
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| 13:44.59 | jlaw | !tell murosai_ -about etch |
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| 13:45.07 | sahasrara | versus, say, ubuntu which i don't think will go well on my p2 |
| 13:45.10 | nearfar | I have source tarball for new release of a software (glade-3 for example). Now I want to build it. But, how do I install it in such a way that it is installed as a .deb so Debian won't replace it with lesser version from its repository? |
| 13:45.12 | sahasrara | make that kubuntu |
| 13:45.18 | firepol | Blissex, why is the command to install a package without its dependencies? i cant find it in the man page |
| 13:45.19 | stoned | sahasrara, pretend like you've never used a computer EVER in your life. Then its a piece of cake switching OS's just like that |
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| 13:45.42 | sahasrara | :) |
| 13:45.46 | Blissex | firepol: 'man dpkg' under '--force' |
| 13:45.47 | murosai_ | jlaw: ah ok |
| 13:46.04 | sahasrara | stoned: i can do that, i feel like that already, with everything i have to read |
| 13:46.05 | stoned | sahasrara, basically the point is, you always learn the new computer, whatever OS it migh thave right? so pretend |
| 13:46.05 | jlaw | murosai_, you're welcome |
| 13:46.06 | firepol | Blissex, but dpkg doesnt download the package from the werb, does it? |
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| 13:46.19 | Blissex | firepol: no. |
| 13:46.28 | firepol | thats it... i need to use apt.get |
| 13:46.33 | sahasrara | stoned: yeah |
| 13:46.50 | firepol | isnt there an option for apt-get to download only one particular package and not the dependencies? |
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| 13:46.59 | Blissex | firepol: 'man apt' dto just download a package. Note that you really should not be doing things you don't understand yet.. |
| 13:47.14 | sahasrara | stoned: i had originally not even considered debian, that it was too difficult for newbies, but now i figure if i just read enough it should be viable |
| 13:47.14 | firepol | Blissex, well if you want i explain my goal |
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| 13:48.09 | firepol | Blissex: i want to upgrade my ubuntu distro. but i have to install a meta package called kubuntu-desktop first. it will download 200 mb of packages... then i have to update the sources.list file, and the do apt-get dist-upgrade. this will result in downloading 2 times the same packages |
| 13:48.38 | firepol | i'd like to simply donload the meta packaghe, so when i do a dist-upgrade it will see all files are missing and download directly the new ones |
| 13:48.50 | Blissex | firepol: no it won't. But why not do it directly. And why do a 'dist-upgrade'? |
| 13:49.10 | firepol | Blissex: because the ubuntu documentatino says so :( |
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| 13:49.44 | firepol | it says if i do directly without installing the "kubuntu-desktop" or "ubuntu-desktop" it wont work |
| 13:49.47 | Blissex | firepol: you are really trying to do things you do not yet understand.... |
| 13:50.17 | firepol | Blissex, wll then ill download everything without thinking... coz i dont understand the more efficient way to do it |
| 13:50.25 | firepol | i siply wanted to learn |
| 13:50.37 | Blissex | firepol: ask in #KUbuntu how to achieve what you want to do. Anyhow if you leave the packages in the cache it will not download it twice. |
| 13:51.14 | firepol | it will: first it downloads the lastversion for breezy. then i upgrade to dapper it will download the dappe version... |
| 13:51.33 | sahasrara | hmm |
| 13:51.39 | firepol | but well ill try to break my distro doing it directly, just to see if it will work ;) |
| 13:51.50 | Blissex | firepol: anyhow you can download just the metapackage without using 'apt-get --download' or something, and then use 'dppkg --force-depends' |
| 13:53.36 | sahasrara | well back to reading |
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| 13:53.47 | sahasrara | ty stoned |
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| 13:54.19 | firepol | Blissex: im just doing it directly, im curious to see if it will really break my distro ;) |
| 13:54.45 | firepol | (directly = modify sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) |
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| 13:59.28 | murosai_ | is there anything special i should watch out when installin etch or is it just like installing sarge? |
| 14:00.07 | dvs | murosai_: use one of the etch beta disks if you want etch. The weekly builds are less stable. |
| 14:00.23 | murosai_ | yeah im going to install beta3 |
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| 14:02.07 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 14:03.10 | DustyDingo | i have a problem with loading a modul at startup |
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| 14:03.34 | DustyDingo | it is loaded anyway, doesn't matter if there is an enty for it in /etc/modules |
| 14:03.55 | DustyDingo | and the problem is, that it is loaded without the options defined in /etc/modprobe.d/ipw3945 |
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| 14:04.35 | nopcode | hey |
| 14:04.45 | nopcode | i'm trying to debootstrap amd64 sarge on an ubuntu-box |
| 14:04.54 | nopcode | using the installation-tutorial |
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| 14:05.11 | nopcode | when doing "/usr/sbin/base-config new" it says "Terminated" |
| 14:05.21 | nopcode | whats that? isnt sarge supposed to be.. stable? |
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| 14:05.34 | DustyDingo | how can i achieve, that the ipw3945 module is loaded correctly with the modprobe options? |
| 14:05.51 | murosai_ | ok going to install etch now |
| 14:06.00 | dvs | murosai_: good luck |
| 14:06.05 | nopcode | etch? on amd64? |
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| 14:06.29 | murosai_ | no i686 |
| 14:06.35 | nopcode | oh ok |
| 14:06.38 | murosai_ | why? |
| 14:06.46 | nopcode | because i'm thinking about installing etch |
| 14:06.51 | murosai_ | ok |
| 14:06.52 | nopcode | but everyone is telling me to use sarge |
| 14:08.15 | Tallu | nopcode: it's probably best to start with sarge.. get used to how stuff works in debian etc.. then if you feel like it you can upgrade to testing later on |
| 14:09.12 | nopcode | Tallu: ok |
| 14:09.25 | nopcode | Tallu: so why doesn't base-config new work? |
| 14:09.35 | nopcode | it just says "Terminated" |
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| 14:12.27 | nopcode | 2790 open("/dev/ptyp0", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 14:12.27 | nopcode | 2790 write(2, "openpty failed\n", 15) = 15 |
| 14:12.27 | nopcode | 2790 kill(0, SIGTERM) = 0 |
| 14:12.27 | nopcode | 2790 --- SIGTERM (Terminated) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 14:12.27 | nopcode | 2790 +++ killed by SIGTERM +++ |
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| 14:12.42 | nopcode | ah |
| 14:12.59 | nopcode | am i missing some dev filesystem? |
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| 14:15.19 | ma3x | is there no baseconf for sid? |
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| 14:16.05 | ma3x | how do I graphically set the mirrors for debian in sid? |
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| 14:16.59 | nopcode | ok i got it, devpts was missing |
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| 14:19.08 | jetscreamer | ma3x: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:19.19 | Hoxzer | what does "-w" do? |
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| 14:19.26 | jetscreamer | turns off line breaks |
| 14:19.32 | inlinefour | hi |
| 14:19.36 | jetscreamer | i found that very annoying |
| 14:19.43 | inlinefour | what's the recomended ftp server for debian? |
| 14:19.51 | jetscreamer | aka word wrap i guess |
| 14:20.05 | jetscreamer | ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org |
| 14:20.18 | ma3x | jetscreamer, but how do I know the mirrors for the countries? |
| 14:20.27 | jetscreamer | there's a list on debian.org |
| 14:20.36 | jetscreamer | me i just put .us. |
| 14:20.38 | ma3x | jetscreamer, there is a gui on the installation of debian which does that automatically for you |
| 14:20.49 | jetscreamer | yeah i know |
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| 14:21.29 | jetscreamer | i gave up asking 'how do i start <insert thing on installer here> a while ago |
| 14:21.50 | jetscreamer | base-config no go eh |
| 14:22.11 | ma3x | jetscreamer, nope, I got sid |
| 14:22.39 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 14:22.39 | jetscreamer | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 14:22.57 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 14:23.03 | jetscreamer | i think there's one there |
| 14:23.18 | ma3x | jetscreamer, why do you use ftp? why not http? |
| 14:23.38 | inlinefour | isn't there just an apt-get for ftp server? |
| 14:24.17 | jetscreamer | ftp http doesn't matter |
| 14:24.38 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.us.debgian.org works iirc :) |
| 14:24.41 | jetscreamer | err debian |
| 14:25.47 | Hoxzer | what does iirc mean? |
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| 14:26.12 | jetscreamer | !iirc |
| 14:26.12 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 14:26.22 | Hoxzer | oh |
| 14:26.28 | Hoxzer | !pron |
| 14:26.33 | Hoxzer | :( |
| 14:26.41 | jetscreamer | !pal Hoxzer |
| 14:26.46 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:27.22 | Mitar | where can i setup MAIL environment variable (I am switching to Maildir) |
| 14:27.27 | Mitar | i set login.defs |
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| 14:27.31 | Mitar | and pam configs |
| 14:27.44 | Mitar | but I still get MAIL pointing to /var/mail/... |
| 14:27.54 | Mitar | am i missing something? |
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| 14:34.01 | Stary67 | >>---> :D |
| 14:34.12 | inlinefour | so what's the preferred ftp serfer for debian? |
| 14:35.27 | asg | inlinefour: it depends on your needs. vsftpd is one of the less foolish ftpd implementations. |
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| 14:35.34 | Stary67 | ktos mowi po polsku ?? |
| 14:35.37 | asg | !pl |
| 14:35.38 | dpkg | i heard pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 14:35.49 | jatt | Mitar: did you read the big NOTE in /etc/login.defs regarding who sets the MAIL environment variable? |
| 14:35.56 | inlinefour | asg, it's for uploading web pages to my web server |
| 14:36.10 | asg | inlinefour: you would be much better served using ssh/scp/sftp |
| 14:36.34 | asg | inlinefour: if you are doing it from Windows, download the ssh.com client or use putty. |
| 14:36.48 | Mitar | yes ... i have set pam configs and i get a new mail message propely displayed |
| 14:37.00 | Mitar | only environment variable is not set to new value |
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| 14:37.20 | Mitar | (and i have noenv in pam settings ... maybe i could switch it on?) |
| 14:37.59 | inlinefour | asg, vsftpd supports ssh/scp/sftp? |
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| 14:39.46 | Mitar | or is there any other notice? |
| 14:39.57 | Mitar | i set config in pam for ssh and login |
| 14:40.10 | asg | inlinefour: no, don't use ftp if you can use ssh/scp/sftp (encryption and PKI > plaintext logins / transports) |
| 14:40.33 | inlinefour | asg, what do i use then? |
| 14:40.34 | inlinefour | lol |
| 14:40.58 | inlinefour | er, what server |
| 14:41.59 | asg | inlinefour: debian comes with sshd. Install that. |
| 14:42.07 | inlinefour | oh |
| 14:42.13 | inlinefour | apt-get install sshd? |
| 14:42.26 | asg | inlinefour: apt-get install ssh |
| 14:42.50 | inlinefour | an i use a ftp client that supports ssh to connect back to my server? |
| 14:43.29 | asg | inlinefour: or just a simple ssh client (like putty or the free download from ssh.com) |
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| 14:44.25 | inlinefour | i see |
| 14:44.59 | inlinefour | now does apache have something similar to cpanel to upload small files? |
| 14:45.04 | inlinefour | or should i just stick to ssh |
| 14:45.18 | jatt | (vlc) Video->Zoom->Half blocks vlc's GUI :( |
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| 14:45.41 | jatt | I am almost sure it worked some days ago... |
| 14:45.50 | MM | hi |
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| 14:48.37 | BSCGuard | how can i check this: website/space with PHP (magic_quotes_gpc must be ON) |
| 14:48.42 | BSCGuard | if magic_quotes_gpc is activated |
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| 14:49.27 | asg | BSCGuard: /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 14:50.25 | jlaw | man ... ktechlab sux hard |
| 14:50.39 | five0` | what's 'hard' |
| 14:51.11 | jetscreamer | if he has put an s on the end would you ask? |
| 14:51.20 | BSCGuard | thanls asg |
| 14:51.24 | BSCGuard | thanks* |
| 14:51.47 | five0` | jetscreamer: then i'd ask: who's 'hards' |
| 14:52.00 | jlaw | maybe it's missing "ly" or stuff, don't and i don't have a need to know as i'm german and my english has not to be perfect |
| 14:52.18 | jlaw | but i think you know what i mean, five0 !-) |
| 14:52.34 | quitte | hardly means kaum |
| 14:53.07 | jlaw | arr .. i forgot a "know" between "i don't" and "and i" -.- |
| 14:53.08 | maxy | could someone on debian testing/sid please run 'pydoc urllib|grep unquote' and tell me if there is an output? |
| 14:53.23 | jetscreamer | i was making a paly on american slang, sorry didn't htink about cross-countries |
| 14:53.29 | jetscreamer | s/paly/play/ |
| 14:53.51 | jetscreamer | it was a joke! |
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| 14:53.59 | quitte | jetscreamer: oh with some thinking he should get it |
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| 14:54.42 | MM | there is a host in a web that speaks badly on debian...the admin says that host of it is not vulnerable...it is impossible to invade....admin is crazy and prepotent.... |
| 14:54.44 | jetscreamer | if he was from england maybe a bit quicker... |
| 14:54.45 | jlaw | if i was thinking about it. maybe. but i'm concentrating on finding something similar to ewb |
| 14:54.55 | jetscreamer | another joke! i'm punny today! |
| 14:55.18 | MM | its IP is 200.218.192.106 |
| 14:55.46 | asg | MM: try efnet. Such things are not allowed here. |
| 14:55.58 | quitte | must be something about fridays in america |
| 14:56.13 | five0` | jlaw: yeah, i was just messing with you |
| 14:56.19 | quitte | uhm is it saturday? |
| 14:56.46 | MM | asg: sorry! |
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| 14:57.07 | five0` | MM: prepotent? |
| 14:57.09 | MM | asg: it is a relief |
| 14:57.21 | five0` | never seen it used in that context |
| 14:57.29 | MM | five0 yeah |
| 14:57.40 | MM | the admin |
| 14:57.41 | five0` | unless you went for a <lang>->english translation |
| 14:57.53 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 14:57.53 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is probably a combined window manager / composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. Currently, it is only working correctly if run on Xgl. |
| 14:58.00 | jetscreamer | !xgl |
| 14:58.00 | dpkg | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 14:58.52 | MM | five0` ok |
| 14:58.57 | five0` | aye, i need a darker color sheme for midnight commander |
| 14:59.03 | five0` | *colorscheme |
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| 14:59.39 | mattl | hey peeps... did anyone else think Eric Raymond's comments about compromising free software so people can get their iPods working was a bit stupid? |
| 14:59.41 | scorn | what package are /bin/cat & /bin/rm in? |
| 14:59.53 | asg | scorn: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:59.54 | Mitar | any idea on what could be wrong that MAIL environment variable is not set even if I changed login.defs and pam config? |
| 14:59.55 | scorn | I've got something every eeeeery going on with my box |
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| 15:00.49 | five0` | apt-file |
| 15:01.04 | five0` | scorn: unplug and call your local exorcist |
| 15:01.20 | scorn | five0: I'm not far from it. |
| 15:01.52 | odlaII | how do make a split screen in erc? |
| 15:02.53 | azeem | odlaII: better read the documentation, I doubt many people use erc in here |
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| 15:03.59 | scorn | this reeeeely sucks |
| 15:04.31 | scorn | anyone have any idea of what might cause this? My /bin/cat /bin/rm look like source files for Qt stuff. |
| 15:04.50 | scorn | who knows what else is screwed up. |
| 15:04.54 | azeem | scorn: file system corruption |
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| 15:05.14 | scorn | azeem: any hope? |
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| 15:05.33 | azeem | scorn: which file system is this? |
| 15:05.41 | scorn | azeem: ext3 |
| 15:05.47 | scorn | root |
| 15:05.57 | azeem | scorn: mount a livecd, run e2fsck on it |
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| 15:06.26 | scorn | azeem: I've tried fsck, off of RIP CD, claims all is good. |
| 15:06.37 | azeem | scorn: use debsums |
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| 15:07.01 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 15:07.01 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 15:07.10 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:07.15 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 15:07.17 | jetscreamer | kinda |
| 15:07.23 | scorn | hoping I would replace /bin/cat /bin/rm, but if filesystem is corrupt, probably much worse things going on here. |
| 15:07.30 | LinuxHelp | Hi, I'm try to mount my ext3 / with data=journal (in /etc/fstab), and what happens on boot is that it says: cant change data mode on remount |
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| 15:07.41 | azeem | scorn: debsums checks file integrity |
| 15:08.12 | scorn | azeem: thx |
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| 15:09.11 | LinuxHelp | So I'm wondering, do I have to pass a special param to my kernel at boot? |
| 15:12.18 | five0` | odlaII: #emacs |
| 15:12.29 | dabreegster | LinuxHelp: Which bootloader? |
| 15:12.33 | five0` | oh right, you're in there |
| 15:13.02 | LinuxHelp | dabreegster, grub |
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| 15:13.49 | dabreegster | LinuxHelp: At the selection screen, move your cursor to stop the countdown, then select the normal kernel and press 'e' I think. It should bring you to a grub shell where you can specify kernel parameters |
| 15:14.12 | jetscreamer | e is to edit the line , c will give you a grub shell |
| 15:14.50 | jetscreamer | there's also showopts in the menu.lst at the end |
| 15:14.55 | jetscreamer | err |
| 15:15.00 | jetscreamer | on the kernel line |
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| 15:15.09 | LinuxHelp | kthx |
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| 15:16.23 | roym | Hi all, My laptop runs cools under ubuntu, and hotter under xen. Can |
| 15:16.23 | roym | anyone tell me if there are modules loaded in ubuntu/stock-debian that |
| 15:16.23 | roym | help a laptop run cooler? |
| 15:16.36 | Blissex | roym: yes. |
| 15:17.01 | roym | Blissex: any idea how I might know which ones? |
| 15:17.10 | Blissex | roym: what's the point? |
| 15:17.33 | roym | battery conservation, heat etc... (I'm in Florida) |
| 15:18.11 | Blissex | roym: thats the purpose... You think you can load Linux kernel modules and make them work under a completely different kernel? |
| 15:18.56 | roym | Blissex: I could rebuild the xen kernel with the modules I need, couldn't I? |
| 15:19.26 | scorn | anyone know of a good document on moving the root directory? |
| 15:19.38 | Blissex | roym: but the Xen kernel is not a Linux kernel. |
| 15:19.41 | scorn | or root partition rather |
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| 15:20.00 | scorn | thinking my scsi card is flaking out. |
| 15:20.29 | azeem | scorn: do you get errors in kern.log? |
| 15:20.34 | roym | Blissex: isn't the xen dom0 a slightly modified linux kernel? |
| 15:20.51 | scorn | azeem: tons of errors when booting on scsi drivesw |
| 15:21.31 | Blissex | roym: sure, and what you want is to put power saving support into the Xen kernel more than the dom0 one. |
| 15:21.50 | Blissex | roym: because when you run another domain, it is the other domain's kernel that runs. |
| 15:21.56 | scorn | azeem: I can hear one of the drives spinning up and down. |
| 15:23.23 | roym | Blissex: it runs hot even with just a dom0 (ie: no domUs). |
| 15:24.22 | roym | scorn: Unless someone has a better idea, have you tried booting from knoppix/ubuntu, and just doing a "cp -ax" to a safe partition? |
| 15:24.54 | azeem | scorn: backup valuable data (probably the stuff in /etc, maybe dpkg --get-selections and the debconf database) |
| 15:25.10 | Blissex | roym: I suspect that you are missing some vital details in the relationship between Xen kernel and the Linux kernel, dom0 or otherwise. |
| 15:25.12 | azeem | scorn: then, copy over the partition with partimage or dd, if still possible |
| 15:25.23 | Blissex | roym: there is a small discussion of some issues here: http://forum.mandrivaclub.com/viewtopic.php?t=48823 |
| 15:25.32 | azeem | scorn: then check the files for integrity with debsums and decide whether to fix things or reinstall |
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| 15:25.45 | azeem | scorn: unless you have recent backups, of course |
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| 15:25.49 | roym | ok - thanks. let me read... |
| 15:26.14 | Blissex | roym: or better this one: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-xen/2005/05/09/0001.html |
| 15:27.10 | scorn | azeem: /home sits on another drive, an ATAPI, so its fine, and it has plenty of room. Thinking of just copying the current root over to it, then modifying fstab and grub.lst |
| 15:27.25 | scorn | but if I remember right, grub get horked when you start moving drives around. |
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| 15:27.38 | scorn | esp scsi drives |
| 15:27.40 | Blissex | roym: or this one: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-cb7861c9865fc8fbae3bb472f04c5d0819fa8273 |
| 15:27.46 | azeem | nothing one cannot fix |
| 15:28.48 | roym | Blissex: thanks - that explains it well - sigh! |
| 15:29.21 | scorn | how do you force an install of a package (even if apt claims its already the latest version) |
| 15:29.54 | roym | scorn: try dpkg-reconfigure <pkg-name> to force a reinstall... |
| 15:29.55 | azeem | --reinstall |
| 15:29.59 | azeem | roym: no |
| 15:30.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 15:31.09 | jetscreamer | to do the entire box, /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 15:31.14 | roym | azeem: doesn't dpkg-reconfigure allow fixing a broken package without the download? |
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| 15:31.33 | scorn | azeem: looks like .deb files are bad also |
| 15:31.49 | scorn | but doesn't look like that many, maybe for a re-download? |
| 15:31.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get clean |
| 15:32.19 | azeem | roym: dpkg-reconfigure restarts the debconf configuration, if there is any |
| 15:32.45 | scorn | I appreciate the help guys |
| 15:33.09 | azeem | scorn: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 15:34.42 | scorn | apt-get requires /bin/rm apparently |
| 15:34.52 | scorn | this is a quandry |
| 15:34.56 | azeem | sounds plausible |
| 15:35.09 | azeem | scorn: download the coreutils .deb and install it manually with dpkg |
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| 15:37.18 | Belboz99 | Hey all, is the broken kernel-kbuild package fixed yet? |
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| 15:37.34 | Belboz99 | oops, I mean in Debian Testing |
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| 15:37.51 | azeem | Belboz99: what is broken about it? |
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| 15:39.15 | scorn | just copies /bin/rm and /bin/cat from another machine |
| 15:39.22 | Belboz99 | azeem: I don't know. I installed Debian Stable with the 2.6 kernel, but there were no 2.6 nvidia-kernel-modules, so I switched to Debian Testing where there were. When I try to install the nvidia-kernel-module it spits back that it can't because the kernel-kbuild package is broken |
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| 15:39.57 | scorn | Boy, this beats going to an airplain museum any day. |
| 15:40.07 | scorn | airplane |
| 15:40.55 | azeem | Belboz99: please paste the error message to a pastebin |
| 15:40.57 | azeem | !paster |
| 15:40.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:40.58 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx isn't in testing anyway iirc |
| 15:41.08 | jetscreamer | unless it changed recently |
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| 15:41.37 | drewinthehead | hello. anyone know of any potential issues with apache (1.3) installation on a fresh Etch system? I'm getting the post-installation script exiting status 10 on apt-get install apache. |
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| 15:42.06 | azeem | drewinthehead: paste the full error output to a pastebin |
| 15:42.07 | azeem | !paster |
| 15:42.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:42.23 | Hoxzer | [Sat Aug 19 18:32:02 2006] [error] [client 192.168.1.32] File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico |
| 15:42.29 | Hoxzer | any ideas of source of tis? |
| 15:42.44 | Hoxzer | and also is it save to lett www-data write /var/ww? |
| 15:42.46 | stew | Hoxzer: its a browser looking for an icon to display in the titlebar next to the url |
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| 15:43.09 | Hoxzer | stew: :o |
| 15:43.20 | Hoxzer | stew: so it is not cause of tf21 no working? |
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| 15:43.24 | Hoxzer | *not |
| 15:43.49 | stew | i don't know what tf21 is, but a browser looking for a favicon is normal |
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| 15:44.11 | Hoxzer | stew: OK, it is torrentflux ^^ php based bittorrent client |
| 15:44.24 | Hoxzer | stew: but is it save to let www-data to write /var/www? |
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| 15:45.33 | scorn | yipee, I'm up. |
| 15:46.20 | drewinthehead | azeem, thanks: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3499 |
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| 15:46.54 | azeem | drewinthehead: if that is the whole output, we won't be able to do much |
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| 15:47.47 | rares | when there is only 1 alternative update alteratives doesn't update it even if i remove the links |
| 15:48.08 | drewinthehead | azeem: it is, unfortunately. |
| 15:48.21 | rares | the nothing to configure message is displayed instead |
| 15:48.57 | drewinthehead | is there some kind of verbose output mode i can throw apt-get into? |
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| 15:50.46 | Belboz99 | hey, anyone know why kernel-kbuild is missing from Debian Testing? |
| 15:50.46 | Belboz99 | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-kbuild&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
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| 15:51.14 | rares000 | maybe it's a kde package no |
| 15:51.16 | rares000 | w |
| 15:51.30 | scorn | okay guys, I'm off, thanks azeem |
| 15:51.38 | scorn | going to move partitions later. |
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| 15:52.33 | Belboz99 | rares000: it's in Debian Stable, and it is listed as "broken" when attempting to install a package that's dependant on it in Testing |
| 15:53.02 | Belboz99 | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-kbuild&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 15:53.50 | Belboz99 | I can't get into the GUI until this problem is solved :( |
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| 15:59.21 | m0dY | in a bash script! is there anyway i could check if a prorgam exists without checking it's location? |
| 15:59.53 | vulture | m0dY: "which" |
| 16:00.41 | m0dY | but which is self is a separate binary, is there any bash built-in function? |
| 16:01.50 | Hoxzer | ootte ihqi |
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| 16:03.37 | quiet | does anyone know of a good howto for setting up usplash on debian (Etch)? |
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| 16:07.10 | nopcode | how does debian know which driver to load? just wondering... |
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| 16:08.39 | quiet | nopcode: udev |
| 16:08.50 | fritsch | did the debian unstable upgrade from 18.08. crash someones loading of modules with generating dev entries, too? (udev problem?) |
| 16:08.59 | nopcode | quiet: so that is is some kind plug & play trickery which maps pci device ids to module-names? |
| 16:09.09 | quiet | basically, yes. |
| 16:09.12 | nopcode | i see |
| 16:09.16 | nopcode | well it doesnt work |
| 16:09.17 | nopcode | ;P |
| 16:09.19 | nopcode | nevermind |
| 16:09.32 | quiet | what are you having problems with? |
| 16:09.47 | m0dY | is there any way to apt-get not to install/update/upgrade some certain pkgs ?! |
| 16:09.52 | nopcode | quiet: realtek network card |
| 16:09.53 | nopcode | r8169 |
| 16:09.59 | nopcode | (gigabit) |
| 16:10.11 | nopcode | the main problem is that its a remote server and i cant see the boot process |
| 16:10.19 | nopcode | but i added it to /etc/modules and now it pings atleast |
| 16:10.29 | nopcode | i'ma try to get sshd running and then i can debug that further |
| 16:10.47 | quiet | well, yeah... you'd need ssh to access a remote server... |
| 16:10.48 | quiet | lol |
| 16:11.10 | nopcode | i've never remotely bootstrapped a debian from an ubuntu system ;) |
| 16:11.23 | quiet | you can do it from any system. |
| 16:11.29 | quiet | well... any linux system |
| 16:11.43 | Mitar | what could be wrong if login.defs does influence anything? i am trying to change some things and it just does not work ... like that login.defs is completly ignored |
| 16:12.11 | quiet | i did it once, using this: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 16:12.39 | Mitar | (when sshing) |
| 16:13.18 | m0dY | is there any way to apt-get not to install/update/upgrade some certain pkgs ?! like an exclude list like in redhat based distros. ? |
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| 16:13.49 | vulture | m0dY: I believe pinning might be what you're looking for |
| 16:14.16 | m0dY | !dpkg: pinning |
| 16:14.17 | dpkg | hmm... apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 16:14.27 | quiet | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=472982 |
| 16:14.34 | quiet | try that ^^ m0dY |
| 16:14.52 | m0dY | okay |
| 16:14.54 | m0dY | :) thx |
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| 16:17.38 | m0dY | quiet: well, i this will prevent the pkg from being updated/upgraded ,,, but still i could apt-get install it ?! |
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| 16:30.57 | roxy_ | how can I have more debug boot information ? I got a udevd problem (in sid) but the error scrol too fast |
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| 16:32.00 | raf256 | roxy_: isnt it logged into /var/log/boot* ? |
| 16:32.18 | compilerwriter | I some general senmail questions.\ |
| 16:33.07 | roxy_ | raf256: nothing has been logged in /var/log/boot. Do I have to enable it somewhere ? |
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| 16:33.53 | compilerwriter | hello all |
| 16:34.02 | SpeedyG | hi compilerwriter |
| 16:34.15 | flo | hello, I'm getting "reset high speed USB device" every minute or so in dmesg for my external usb 2.0 3.5" HDD, it's especially bad when I access the device file directly (fsck takes forever) |
| 16:34.23 | SpeedyG | !tell compilerwriter about ask |
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| 16:37.33 | roxy_ | anyone having udevd error about group not found or something similar on sid ? |
| 16:37.38 | compilerwriter | what about ask? |
| 16:38.01 | SpeedyG | you've got a question, just ask! |
| 16:38.34 | compilerwriter | SpeedyG how did you get that highligted box to show up around my name? |
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| 16:39.42 | SpeedyG | compilerwriter: I did nothing, I just told dpkg to tell you something |
| 16:39.46 | SpeedyG | nothing more, nothing less |
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| 16:39.54 | SpeedyG | the rest must have been done by your client |
| 16:40.36 | roxy_ | compilerwriter: like that |
| 16:40.44 | compilerwriter | The real thing I am interested in is this though: |
| 16:40.50 | compilerwriter | Yes roxy_ like that? |
| 16:40.58 | compilerwriter | How the hell is it happening. |
| 16:41.19 | compilerwriter | That is not my real question, but it has been bugging me now for a while. |
| 16:41.21 | roxy_ | compilerwriter: your irc client hightlight when it sees you nick |
| 16:42.00 | compilerwriter | It is a client thing then; I can not make it happen to others necessarily? |
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| 16:42.37 | roxy_ | most of client hightlight in some ways the user nick |
| 16:42.40 | roxy_ | compilerwriter: |
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| 16:43.23 | compilerwriter | I have just installed linux on my machine and am loving it, but I was wondering if I could use sendmail to get my mail instead of popping off my domains smtp? |
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| 16:44.03 | roxy_ | compilerwriter: are you on sarge ? |
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| 16:44.18 | compilerwriter | Perhaps, rather, could I use sendmail as a sort or private server for only special people? My little known email address, so to speak. |
| 16:44.22 | compilerwriter | no I am not on sarge |
| 16:44.57 | roxy_ | etch ? |
| 16:45.33 | compilerwriter | I know that somehow I would have to get my IP on people's hosts files so that the mail might make it through. |
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| 16:47.02 | compilerwriter | I own a domain. I have named this machine minuet. I guess that I would have to get this machine somehow hooked up as minuet.<domain>.com. Then I could become compilerwriter@minuet.<domain>.com |
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| 16:47.31 | compilerwriter | I am not certain of how sendmail works under the bonnet as it were. |
| 16:47.38 | vulture | compilerwriter: could just havet he MX record for <domain>.com go straight to minuet if you wanted.. |
| 16:47.39 | roxy_ | compilerwriter: didn't you get free mail address with your domain ? |
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| 16:48.19 | compilerwriter | I got a blue million addresses with my domain. |
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| 16:49.00 | compilerwriter | The problem is that minuet is connected to the net via dsl and her IP address is subject to change. |
| 16:49.48 | miro | exit |
| 16:49.52 | compilerwriter | vulture: That puts a wrench in the works for your idea doesn't it? |
| 16:50.16 | Vituz | uhmmm whats a decent program for burning dvds? |
| 16:50.40 | nopcode | can you shrink an ext3 filesystem? |
| 16:50.54 | azeem | nopcode: parted can do that, AFAIK |
| 16:50.56 | Hotwire | hi, i was using deb etch amd64, and i just installed deb etch i386, and now my mouses scroll wheel doesn't work (the button does), i have put Option "Buttons" "5" and Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but no joy, can anyone see what i am doing wrong? |
| 16:51.25 | azeem | Hotwire: do you still have the old amd64 install lying around? |
| 16:51.39 | Hotwire | azeem: no, i installed over it |
| 16:51.57 | azeem | Hotwire: maybe you did not chose the best mouse driver |
| 16:52.16 | Hotwire | azeem: ok, i'll google on that :) thanks |
| 16:52.20 | roxy_ | azeem: do you have knoppix around ? |
| 16:52.25 | azeem | eh, no |
| 16:52.36 | roxy_ | azeem: sorry wrong channel, wrong name |
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| 16:53.29 | vulture | compilerwriter: puts a wrench in most solutions unless you can find a dynamic dns provider that'll host your address - perhaps dyndns.org offers it but I've only ever used their free offering |
| 16:53.44 | vulture | & I hope you're not hoping to provide any kind of reliable mail service through a dynamic IP.. |
| 16:54.07 | Vituz | nm ill just keep using cdrecord I guess |
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| 16:55.05 | miro | can some one here can help me with understanding why i cann't register my nick " /msg nickserv register ....." |
| 16:55.18 | compilerwriter | Vulture: I was just wondering if there was a way to do it to give it a try. Though come to think of it it could create a whole new mess when it comes to administration. |
| 16:55.28 | dvs | miro: it's already taken? |
| 16:55.56 | SpeedyG | miro: you should read the info at www.freenode.net for registering? |
| 16:55.57 | miro | ok |
| 16:56.12 | compilerwriter | Vulture: how would a dynamic dns provider work? |
| 16:56.24 | miro | thanks !!! |
| 16:56.34 | vulture | compilerwriter: you'd run some kind of client on your computer that updates a server every time your IP changes |
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| 16:56.55 | Vituz | zoneedit is good for that.. |
| 16:57.02 | compilerwriter | They would then provide a static IP that I could give to the world? |
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| 16:57.07 | Vituz | make a cron to just do zoneedit every hour |
| 16:57.18 | vulture | no, they would update the DNS record so new queries would find the right place |
| 16:57.23 | Vituz | or dyndns if you dont have your own domain |
| 16:57.26 | apallo19 | are there any advantages to running debian over one of its ports, like ubuntu? |
| 16:57.50 | vulture | the problem is that DNS caching means some people might not see the change in address for quite some time (hours? days?) - having a fixed address would be a whole lot more reliable |
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| 16:58.44 | Nikolay | When my laptop restored from suspend, I get output to all my xterm terminals, even though I've set "Verbosity 0", "LogVerbosity 0" and "HibernateVT 15" in /etc/hibernate/common.conf. Output like this: http://pastebin.perl.se/d46f071f86/ Is it possible to fix this problem? |
| 16:58.46 | clif4d | apallo19: what's the advantage of running one of debians ports instead of the real thing? ;) |
| 16:58.52 | apallo19 | lol |
| 16:58.58 | compilerwriter | Then, for this purpose anyhow, I would have to mess with email administration on top of the other stuff I am doing. |
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| 16:59.15 | apallo19 | ok, ya got me ther |
| 16:59.19 | apallo19 | *there |
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| 16:59.53 | TonyRad | Hello |
| 17:00.02 | compilerwriter | hello tonyrad |
| 17:00.40 | clif4d | apallo19: it's really a personal choice, some ports might give a more ready-to-use desktop enviroment, or HTPC setup, or LAMP server, or whatever you're looking for. |
| 17:00.59 | TonyRad | I'm trying to get ncurses set up on my debian box to use with one of my other services. I've gone through and installed the packages, but I'm still missing 2 key files, /usr/include/curses.h and /usr/lib/libcurses.a. Does anybody have any idea how to get those set up right? |
| 17:01.10 | odla | is alsaconf now just alsautils? |
| 17:01.28 | dvs | odla: alsaconf is part of alsa-utils |
| 17:01.55 | odla | ok |
| 17:02.13 | clif4d | TonyRad: wiki.debian.org/?ThereIsIt should give you the answer |
| 17:02.15 | apallo19 | i'm looking for a desktop system that will reliably work in a mostly windows environment (ie i want to be able to easily mount network shares and such) |
| 17:02.26 | clif4d | TonyRad: Sorry, *WhereIsIT |
| 17:02.28 | dvs | !find curses.h sarge |
| 17:02.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'curses.h' (6 of 17): (/usr/include/arr_curses.h) in libdevel/libarr-dev ;; (/usr/include/ncurses.h) in libdevel/libncurses5-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.4/py_curses.h) in python/python2.4-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.1/py_curses.h) in python/python2.1-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.2/py_curses.h) in python/python2.2-dev ;; (/usr/include/python2.3/py_curses.h) in python/python2.3-dev. |
| 17:02.47 | dvs | yikes |
| 17:02.53 | odla | that makes sense...dpkg said apt-get install alsa-mixer alsa-utils && alsamixer which i thought wrongly interpreted as apt-get install alsamixer too |
| 17:03.46 | dvs | TonyRad: it's in libncurses5-dev |
| 17:03.51 | TonyRad | I see |
| 17:03.55 | TonyRad | Awesome |
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| 17:04.20 | TonyRad | Thank |
| 17:04.22 | TonyRad | you |
| 17:04.26 | dvs | O |
| 17:04.27 | dvs | K |
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| 17:04.49 | TonyRad | Sorry, I was gonna say "Thanks" but I slipped and missed the S.. So I made it "thank/you" |
| 17:06.00 | TonyRad | Hrmm |
| 17:06.01 | roxy_ | where can I find udev log ? |
| 17:06.11 | TonyRad | Well, I have the files in there.. Now I just have to figure out what's with this crazy error |
| 17:06.17 | azeem | roxy_: I guess it is part of the regular syslogs |
| 17:06.30 | TonyRad | Anybody ever use synchronet? |
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| 17:06.34 | azeem | roxy_: you might have to increase its out verbosity though |
| 17:06.42 | azeem | roxy_: what is the problem? |
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| 17:07.19 | roxy_ | azeem: at boot, udevd complains about group and file but it scrolls to fast and I can't find the exact problem (on sid) |
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| 17:07.37 | roxy_ | azeem: then mouse device doesn't get created |
| 17:07.55 | azeem | roxy_: is udevd running at all? |
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| 17:08.53 | Fluten | will linux recognize a 300GB hdd on a pentium 2 machine if i boot off a smaller (4GB or so) drive? |
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| 17:09.59 | apallo19 | no, the motherboard's bios has a 30 gig cap on it |
| 17:10.21 | dvs | apallo19: linux doesn't care about the BIOS once it's booted. |
| 17:10.21 | roxy_ | azeem: ps -aux | grep udev doesn't show anything |
| 17:10.41 | azeem | roxy_: ok, you're running unstable I assume? |
| 17:10.52 | clif4d | Fluten: It might be able to, since the BIOS cap can be avoided, but if you have the hardware, boot of fx knoppix and test it ;) |
| 17:11.03 | apallo19 | it's using the bios to detect the hardware |
| 17:11.04 | roxy_ | azeem: yes, the problem happened since the upgrade this morning |
| 17:11.22 | roxy_ | azeem: but couldn't find anything last time I check dbt |
| 17:11.34 | azeem | roxy_: download klibc-utils and libklibc from incoming.debian.org for your architecture (i386?), then dpkg -i them |
| 17:11.35 | apallo19 | if the bios only sees 30gig, linux will only see 30 gig |
| 17:11.38 | Fluten | apallo19, ive used 60GB drives in pentium 166 machines before |
| 17:11.43 | azeem | roxy_: then, run update-initramfs -u |
| 17:11.45 | azeem | and reboot |
| 17:11.51 | roxy_ | azeem: thanks |
| 17:11.54 | Fluten | apallo19, the same machine wouldnt boot off of a 10GB drive to windows |
| 17:11.54 | apallo19 | did you flash the bios? |
| 17:12.01 | Fluten | apallo19, no |
| 17:12.14 | Fluten | just was wondering how far up i could go |
| 17:12.19 | apallo19 | and linux saw the whole drive? |
| 17:12.21 | clif4d | Fluten: there are a 127GB limit you might have problems overcomming |
| 17:12.22 | TonyRad | I don't know how you found those other files I was missing.. but can we do that to find out where I could get libsbbs.so ? |
| 17:12.38 | Fluten | apallo19, yes |
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| 17:13.47 | apallo19 | huh, i repeal my comment then |
| 17:14.17 | TonyRad | !find libsbbs.so sarge |
| 17:14.51 | clif4d | TonyRad: wiki.debian.org/?WhereIsIt will tell you how to find anything you could need. |
| 17:14.57 | apallo19 | !find smbfs |
| 17:15.05 | dpkg | smbfs: (mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 3.0.23b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 398 kB, Installed size: 932 kB |
| 17:15.09 | dvs | apallo19: Yeah, you just have to make a boot partition that is small enough for the BIOS to handle. |
| 17:15.34 | apallo19 | ahhh |
| 17:15.39 | apallo19 | nifty |
| 17:15.56 | apallo19 | p2 fileserver here i come! |
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| 17:20.09 | roxy_ | azeem: thanks, I still got the error scrolling but udev is running and mouse/X working. |
| 17:20.35 | azeem | probably it is just an annoying warning then |
| 17:20.44 | azeem | roxy_: run dmesg | less, maybe it is in there |
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| 17:22.50 | epsilon | anyone experience with apache2 chroot package? What's actually all chrooted in there, also perl/php? |
| 17:23.37 | roxy_ | azeem: no info there. I incoming.debian.org the soon-to-be unstable package ? |
| 17:23.47 | roxy_ | s/I/Is |
| 17:23.56 | azeem | roxy_: no info where? |
| 17:24.05 | azeem | oh, in dmesg |
| 17:24.08 | roxy_ | azeem: dmesg | less |
| 17:24.27 | azeem | the stuff in incoming gets put into unstable in a couple of hours, yes |
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| 17:27.11 | asulao | hello. concerning vga=ext. I typed the option in grub.conf, but when boot finishes text mode goes back to 80x25. what else do I have to configure to make vga=ext permanent? thanks. |
| 17:27.16 | TonyRad | I think I'm reading my problem wrong |
| 17:29.04 | clif4d | asulao: how is vga=ext different from fx vga=0x31A or any other VESA mode? |
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| 17:30.07 | Hotwire | hi, xorg in etch i386 does use the /etc/X11/xorg.conf as its conf file right, because when i make changes about my mouse it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 17:30.09 | TonyRad | I'm doing a make for a service I am setting up... It ends with: "make: *** [gcc.linux.lib.debug/libsbbs.so] Error 1". A couple lines above that is says "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -l js" any thoughts on this? |
| 17:30.09 | asulao | clif4d: well, dmesg displays as double resolution characters, so at least it's 100 lines I guess, than normal vga mode. |
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| 17:30.43 | asulao | clif4d: only dmesg boot text appears as extended text mode |
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| 17:31.42 | clif4d | asulao: okay |
| 17:31.56 | roxy_ | Hoxzer: what about using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 17:31.58 | asulao | clif4d: but it doesnt work. |
| 17:32.13 | asulao | clif4d: after dmsg is displayed, screen goes back to 80x25 text mode. |
| 17:32.20 | roxy_ | Hoxzer: sorry I meant someone else |
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| 17:37.08 | TonyRad | I'm doing a make for a service I am setting up... It ends with: "make: *** [gcc.linux.lib.debug/libsbbs.so] Error 1". A couple lines above that is says "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -l js" any thoughts on this? |
| 17:37.26 | azeem | -l js or -ljs? |
| 17:37.34 | TonyRad | oh.. It's actually -ljs |
| 17:37.37 | TonyRad | I read it wrong |
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| 17:37.52 | azeem | then you're missing libjs-dev, whatever that is |
| 17:38.07 | TonyRad | Hrmm.. ok |
| 17:38.25 | TonyRad | I seem to be missing a lot of important files.. Not such a nice thing |
| 17:38.43 | azeem | that file doesn't look important |
| 17:38.56 | TonyRad | Well, it's not letting my make complete |
| 17:38.56 | azeem | well, unless you want to compile that thing |
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| 17:39.11 | azeem | TonyRad: is there a configure.in or configure.ac? |
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| 17:39.25 | azeem | TonyRad: or read the installation instructions on what the build requirements are |
| 17:39.30 | TonyRad | I don't know.. Where would that be? |
| 17:39.40 | jetscreamer | THIS! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata Disk devices may change on reboot |
| 17:39.41 | azeem | duno |
| 17:39.43 | azeem | dunno |
| 17:40.00 | jetscreamer | i've been bitching about that since 2.6.15 came into sid!!! |
| 17:40.08 | TonyRad | I've already gone through my prereqs for the install.. This was just an error that popped up |
| 17:40.17 | azeem | TonyRad: see whether there is support for whatever you're installing |
| 17:40.24 | jetscreamer | everybody told me it was somethingi did |
| 17:40.46 | jetscreamer | !pal channel |
| 17:40.50 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 17:40.52 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 17:42.19 | TonyRad | I wish there were.. All I can do for support on this is try to find somebody else who has done it.. And there are small numbers of people, and those I've tried with aren't responding.. :( |
| 17:42.51 | azeem | TonyRad: so what is it exactly you're trying to compile? |
| 17:43.11 | TonyRad | It's a BBS server called Synchronet |
| 17:43.20 | jetscreamer | with door games? |
| 17:43.25 | TonyRad | Yeah |
| 17:43.29 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:43.33 | TonyRad | Well, if I ever get the base of it going |
| 17:43.58 | TonyRad | If anybody wants on it after I get it set up just let me know and I'll pass the info on to you |
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| 17:52.28 | pickcoder | BBS. |
| 17:52.41 | TonyRad | ? |
| 17:52.44 | pickcoder | now that brings back memories of WWIV |
| 17:53.16 | TonyRad | Haha, yeah. They are good times.. It'll be pretty sweet when I get it up and running |
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| 17:53.40 | pickcoder | TonyRad: is it web based or character shell? |
| 17:54.12 | TonyRad | Telnet - I suppose that'd make it shell |
| 17:54.25 | bart416 | just wondering, what kernel does debian 2.0 have ? |
| 17:54.29 | jetscreamer | Wildcat! 3.0 |
| 17:54.35 | pickcoder | TonyRad: heh I ran a board for a few years myself |
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| 17:54.47 | TonyRad | Hrmmm Did you happen to use synchronet? |
| 17:55.07 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: <G> There was one that ran on OS/2 Warp. can't remember the name |
| 17:55.08 | roxy_ | hoarycripple: bart416 there is a package called debian-history iirc |
| 17:55.30 | pickcoder | TonyRad: nah. I had a local board using WWIV |
| 17:55.42 | pickcoder | TonyRad: though I shared messages with a couple other systems in town |
| 17:55.46 | TonyRad | Ahh |
| 17:56.04 | TonyRad | I'm having a hell of a time getting this thing set up |
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| 17:56.39 | pickcoder | TonyRad: WWIV is still alive! http://wwiv.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:57.26 | TonyRad | Hrmm.. I think I was just on a bbs the other day that used that one.. |
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| 17:59.16 | nopcode | how do i get the /boot/grub directory with the stages etc? |
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| 18:00.47 | pickcoder | nopcode: what do you mean? |
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| 18:01.38 | nopcode | pickcoder: i need the directory /boot/grub with the stages-files etc |
| 18:01.48 | pickcoder | nopcode: is grub installed? |
| 18:01.57 | nopcode | pickcoder: yup just reinstalled it |
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| 18:03.17 | jadrifter | I'm looking for a way to get the IP addresses of a local NIC and JUST the IP addresses. I could parse the config files but I want to see what the NIC IS configured for instead of what it SHOULD BE configured for. I can't find the correct command, python module, or /proc file. How can I do this? |
| 18:03.20 | pickcoder | nopcode: which distro release? |
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| 18:03.38 | nopcode | pickcoder: debian amd64 stable with grub backport |
| 18:03.44 | pickcoder | jadrifter: ifconfig maybe? |
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| 18:04.25 | jadrifter | pickcoder: I'm using ifconfig now and plan a small python module to parse the results. I was just wondering if I was re-inventing the wheel. |
| 18:04.34 | nopcode | ah sorry |
| 18:04.36 | bart416 | Looks like i'll need to install this: ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/debian/dists/oldstable/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/ |
| 18:04.37 | bart416 | :| |
| 18:04.39 | nopcode | grub-install did the trick |
| 18:04.51 | pickcoder | nopcode: <G> that helps when you make changes |
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| 18:10.31 | kreuter | howdy, #debian. to use multiple PAM modules for authentication, is it generally necessary to make each module ``sufficient'', rather than ``required''? |
| 18:11.26 | kreuter | (e.g., to have it so that only root's authentication stuff lives in /etc/passwd, and everything else come from a database) |
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| 18:13.46 | fresch | why does gconf sometimes use a single xml file and othertimes several dirs and xml files? i have an older debian etch install at home (no net) and it uses only a single xml-file and i have another machine at work with net access which has a recent updated etch on it, where gconf uses several dirs and xml-files. |
| 18:14.29 | bart416 | fresch, maybe it got rather complex if they use one file ? |
| 18:14.51 | fresch | as i unterstand it, gconf is supposed to use the single xml file for system dirs, and the dirs-variation for user-settings |
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| 18:15.56 | bart416 | OH great, now the floppy drive of my laptop starts to make noise |
| 18:15.58 | bart416 | thats not good |
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| 18:17.03 | bart416 | oh fuck, i hope its not hanging |
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| 18:19.46 | jatt | floppy drive? |
| 18:20.10 | bart416 | yeah jatt |
| 18:20.35 | bart416 | 3.5 inch floppy drive :P |
| 18:21.04 | bart416 | It has win nt 4.0 installed |
| 18:21.18 | bart416 | and that one does get internet connection when i boot it and its bridged over my comp |
| 18:21.22 | bart416 | soooo .... |
| 18:21.31 | bart416 | if i copy the settings it should work :| |
| 18:21.58 | TonyRad | pickcode: you didn't happen to notice how I could fix the error I'm having with make? |
| 18:22.44 | nopcode | hmm |
| 18:22.55 | nopcode | what happens if i give a differente root fs as kernel argument than in the fstab? |
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| 18:24.29 | tralala | !test |
| 18:24.30 | dpkg | No, tralala, you're not online any more. |
| 18:24.42 | ignem | hi! i've got a problem when i try to load synaptic, it does not start becuse it can't load libvte.so.4. how do i fix this? reinstalling libvte4 doesn't help. |
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| 18:25.59 | pickcoder | TonyRad: what was the error? |
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| 18:27.04 | foo | Hm, I am using rxvt. In vim, I can set background=dark and it uses light blue instead of dark blue. When I do ls I see directories in dark blue color... it's kind of hard on the eyes. Anyway to make this light blue? |
| 18:27.04 | doschdn | hi. i've got a little problem: i downloaded the etch usb stick image and dd'd it on my usb stick. now it says "failed to find an installer iso image" and i dont know what to do :/ |
| 18:27.42 | TonyRad | pickcoder: make: *** [gcc.linux.lib.debug/libsbbs.so] Error 1 |
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| 18:27.56 | TonyRad | pickcoder: then a few lines above that... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ljs |
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| 18:28.03 | murosai_ | how can i see how much power is left in my laptop? |
| 18:28.10 | vulture | foo: dircolors? |
| 18:28.10 | pickcoder | TonyRad: is "find" on your machine? |
| 18:28.14 | foo | vulture: Correct |
| 18:28.28 | TonyRad | yes |
| 18:28.29 | foo | oh, wait, that's what it's called. |
| 18:28.39 | vulture | indeed :) |
| 18:29.14 | nopcode | the initramsdisk of the kernel package wanted to know something about the root fs |
| 18:29.21 | nopcode | if i change the root fs do i have to do anything? |
| 18:29.45 | ignem | murosai_: try to cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state and info, and compare, if acpi is working correctly that is. |
| 18:30.03 | ignem | murosai_: or use some fancy gui-thingy |
| 18:30.49 | foo | vulture: How do I change this? I don't see anything too specific in the man page |
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| 18:31.19 | pickcoder | TonyRad: I have no idea what the ljs switch does |
| 18:31.22 | bart416 | looks reasonable :| |
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| 18:31.48 | roxy_ | is there an easy way to configure cups so I can print on my usb attached printer from any linux pc on my lan ? |
| 18:31.51 | TonyRad | Somebody in here earlier said it was a part of a library.. I couldn't find that library though |
| 18:31.58 | pickcoder | TonyRad: are you running configure or make? |
| 18:32.04 | TonyRad | Make |
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| 18:33.08 | pickcoder | TonyRad: show me the entire line and the line before it |
| 18:33.15 | pickcoder | TonyRad: I don't think it's calling find |
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| 18:35.29 | pickcoder | TonyRad: ld is being called from something incorrectly |
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| 18:37.48 | TonyRad | So you think the source is bad? |
| 18:38.20 | pickcoder | TonyRad: who knows. I think the Makefile is wrong. do you have a link to the source you downloaded? |
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| 18:38.55 | TonyRad | I think so.. Let me see if I can find it |
| 18:40.42 | TonyRad | http://www.synchro.net/download.html |
| 18:40.45 | murosai_ | how can i configure xorg without messing with xorg.conf? with dpkg-reconfigure perhaps? |
| 18:40.53 | TonyRad | Then I believe I went to the rob.synchro.net site |
| 18:42.01 | pickcoder | which ver? |
| 18:42.24 | TonyRad | The file I downloaded was sbbs_src.tgz |
| 18:43.25 | TonyRad | *Dumb! I'm sorry, I didn't go that route |
| 18:43.34 | TonyRad | I couldn't get the file to download right.. |
| 18:44.19 | dondelelcaro | TonyRad: that sounds like you don't have libjs or whatever the development package is for js, or you don't have the right -L passed. |
| 18:44.59 | TonyRad | That was the "Recommended shortcut for linux" I think.. |
| 18:45.17 | TonyRad | Instead I did cvs co lib/mozilla/js/linux.release |
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| 18:45.24 | TonyRad | And cvs co lib/mozilla/nspr/linux.release |
| 18:45.39 | pickcoder | I'm getting a goofy "All loop back devices in use" error when I make install 2.6.17. Has anyone had that problem? |
| 18:45.49 | dondelelcaro | TonyRad: ugh. apt-get install libjs0 libjs0-dev; |
| 18:45.54 | bart416 | btw, the debian net install doesn't make sense |
| 18:46.08 | dondelelcaro | TonyRad: what exactly are you trying to build? |
| 18:46.14 | dondelelcaro | bart416: what's the problem? |
| 18:46.24 | bart416 | dondelelcaro, its not really a problem |
| 18:46.31 | bart416 | So it finds the pcmcia bus |
| 18:46.32 | bart416 | powers it up |
| 18:46.37 | bart416 | and detects the network card |
| 18:46.51 | bart416 | but it says select a driver |
| 18:46.53 | TonyRad | dondelelcaro: Still no good |
| 18:47.12 | bart416 | if you hit escape and go to detect network devices again |
| 18:47.17 | bart416 | it automaticly selects the right driver :| |
| 18:47.22 | bart416 | It basically asks you to load the kernel module |
| 18:47.23 | bart416 | lol |
| 18:47.33 | dondelelcaro | bart416: which network installer is it? |
| 18:48.01 | bart416 | sarge |
| 18:48.07 | bart416 | flopies |
| 18:48.13 | bart416 | (3 flopies to be exact) |
| 18:48.21 | bart416 | boot.img, root.img, net-drivers.img |
| 18:48.24 | dondelelcaro | bart416: hrm... well, it's probably fixed now; if you want, try etch and if it occurs again, file a bug against debian-installer. |
| 18:48.36 | TonyRad | pick: is that a problem with your NIC? |
| 18:48.40 | dondelelcaro | bart416: the beta 3 etch installers are available |
| 18:48.53 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise, since it's working, you can continue installing) |
| 18:49.00 | bart416 | dondelelcaro, i'm installing on a prehistoric laptop :| |
| 18:49.11 | bart416 | Now the configure doesn't work for some reason :S |
| 18:49.14 | pickcoder | TonyRad: no. You don't really want to know what I'm attempting... <G> |
| 18:49.25 | freakzoid0223 | bart416, is it a wired or wireless card? |
| 18:49.26 | TonyRad | I'm kind of curious now.. |
| 18:49.30 | bart416 | wired |
| 18:49.48 | bart416 | 3Com 3CXFEM656C (PCMCIA) |
| 18:49.53 | bart416 | network: 100mbits |
| 18:50.24 | bart416 | its connected to my desktop |
| 18:50.25 | bart416 | and my desktop has wireless |
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| 18:50.27 | bart416 | and yeah the connection is shared |
| 18:50.34 | dondelelcaro | bart416: it'll try to do dhcp; if you don't have dhcp, then you'll have to do a manual configuration. [it'd also help if you used enter a little less.] |
| 18:50.43 | pickcoder | TonyRad: it's not a Debian box. Let's just say I'm triyng to put 2.6.17 on a unfavorable distro due to commercial support discrepencies with Debian |
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| 18:50.58 | bart416 | dhcp doesn't work for some reason dondelelcaro :'( |
| 18:51.15 | TonyRad | Ahhhh sounds fun |
| 18:51.16 | bart416 | How do you detect what dhcp server windows uses? |
| 18:51.17 | dondelelcaro | bart416: either because you don't have a dhcp server, or the card isn't actually working properly... set up a static |
| 18:51.33 | bart416 | dondelelcaro, it gives an error if i try static |
| 18:51.37 | dondelelcaro | bart416: what error? |
| 18:51.55 | bart416 | An error occurred and the network configuration process has been aborted. You may retry it from the installation menu. |
| 18:52.01 | Ronin | pickcoder: perhaps you should try in that distros channel? :) |
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| 18:52.22 | dondelelcaro | bart416: drop to the console on alt-f2, and make sure that you see the card in ifconfig -a; |
| 18:52.24 | pickcoder | Ronin: It's an end-of-life release so I'm on my own |
| 18:52.32 | dondelelcaro | bart416: if you do, bring it up manually using ifconfig |
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| 18:53.03 | bart416 | is typing ifconfig enough? |
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| 18:53.59 | dondelelcaro | bart416: no; run ifconfig -a; first to make sure you see the card. |
| 18:54.00 | bart416 | dondelelcaro, ifconfig says the settings are set |
| 18:54.19 | dondelelcaro | bart416: ok, and route -n; shows a gateway? |
| 18:54.19 | bart416 | ifconfig eth0 returns the config perfectly |
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| 18:54.44 | bart416 | no |
| 18:54.45 | bart416 | :( |
| 18:54.58 | dondelelcaro | bart416: you need to specify a gateway; that's probably what the error was. |
| 18:55.05 | bart416 | i did |
| 18:55.19 | bart416 | the win nt install on the laptop uses the gateway: 192.168.0.1 |
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| 18:55.25 | bart416 | so i entered that value |
| 18:55.42 | dondelelcaro | bart416: so run route add default gw 192.168.0.1 <networkdev> |
| 18:56.00 | dondelelcaro | where <networkdev> is the network device (probably eth0) that ifconfig reported |
| 18:56.18 | freakzoid0223 | bart416, I'm pretty much a n00b myself but do you have intergrated lan to go along with the pcmica card? |
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| 18:56.41 | bart416 | route: SIOC[AADD|DEL]RT: Network is unreachable |
| 18:56.55 | holzplatten | hi |
| 18:56.56 | pickcoder | eek |
| 18:56.59 | bart416 | no this laptop doesn't have integrated lan :'( |
| 18:57.06 | bart416 | check the specs: ibm thinkpad 760 el |
| 18:57.10 | bart416 | this one has more ram tough |
| 18:57.24 | pickcoder | bart416: do you have a link/media LED on the dongle cable? |
| 18:57.26 | dondelelcaro | bart416: you've specified a gateway that isn't reachable via your ip+netmask. |
| 18:57.32 | bart416 | yes pickcoder |
| 18:57.33 | freakzoid0223 | ahh im on a thinkpad myself R50e |
| 18:57.35 | dondelelcaro | bart416: what is your ip and netmask? |
| 18:57.43 | bart416 | the led near 100mbit is lighted up |
| 18:57.51 | pickcoder | bart416: just checkin... |
| 18:58.04 | bart416 | the ip of my desktop or laptop dondelelcaro ? |
| 18:58.09 | dondelelcaro | bart416: your laptop |
| 18:58.17 | bart416 | 192.168.0.46 |
| 18:58.23 | dondelelcaro | and your netmask? |
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| 18:58.30 | mcgreg | hi |
| 18:58.33 | bart416 | 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:58.41 | mcgreg | how can I set a user in debian to be fully localised (like german) for example |
| 18:58.57 | dondelelcaro | mcgreg: just set LANG appropriately |
| 18:59.28 | dondelelcaro | bart416: can you ping 192.168.0.1 ? |
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| 18:59.38 | mcgreg | declare -x LANG="german" |
| 18:59.38 | mcgreg | declare -x LANGUAGE="german" |
| 18:59.47 | dondelelcaro | bart416: does anything show up in the third console that looks interesting? |
| 18:59.58 | mcgreg | I did that, but: bash is localised correctly, but programm, like icq arent |
| 19:00.00 | bart416 | ping: not found |
| 19:00.01 | bart416 | :| |
| 19:00.30 | pickcoder | bart416: paste your "route -n" output in #flood |
| 19:00.38 | dondelelcaro | mcgreg: uh... that won't work; you want de_DE or similar. |
| 19:00.43 | bart416 | i pasted it here pickcoder |
| 19:00.49 | bart416 | oh wait not really |
| 19:00.51 | bart416 | it doesn't have anything |
| 19:00.53 | bart416 | lol |
| 19:01.02 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 19:01.06 | bart416 | It gives the table-ish layout |
| 19:01.08 | bart416 | but no data in it |
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| 19:01.23 | bart416 | no destination, gateway, genmask flags metric ref or use iface |
| 19:01.30 | mcgreg | dondelelcaro: hmm? locale -a tells me there is german .. but ok, I tryx something dirrefent. btw, I added LANG and LANGUAGE in .bashrc . is that right or wrong? |
| 19:01.53 | dondelelcaro | mcgreg: that's fine; locale -a; will tell you whatever you've set it to |
| 19:02.02 | pickcoder | if that's the case then what does ifconfig show? |
| 19:02.32 | mcgreg | dondelelcaro: locale -a tells me all available languages here |
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| 19:03.05 | dondelelcaro | mcgreg: sorry, missed the -a; anyway, if you run any command the errors will be translated if the translations are available. |
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| 19:03.34 | dondelelcaro | mcgreg: the locale is merely advisory; some applciations don't have everything translated, and so they only appear in english |
| 19:04.00 | pickcoder | bart416: you didn't, by change, use the same IP address as your desktop did you? |
| 19:04.07 | pickcoder | s/change/chance |
| 19:04.22 | mcgreg | dondelelcaro: hmm dont misunderstand me. bash is working localised (in german) , that is okay. but ICQ is still in english... but I know, if I set the system-envirement to be coimpletely german , LICQ is in german too |
| 19:04.33 | bart416 | no pickcoder |
| 19:04.33 | bart416 | :| |
| 19:04.42 | TonyRad | I think I've figured out what's going on |
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| 19:04.50 | dondelelcaro | mcgreg: and if you run licq from the shell which you've set LANG=german; ? |
| 19:05.06 | pickcoder | bart416: have you tried ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0? |
| 19:05.11 | TonyRad | I have been trying to use linux.release but the link is somehow trying to go to linux.debug |
| 19:05.15 | bart416 | ifdown and ifup aren't avialable :| |
| 19:05.22 | mcgreg | even from the bash it is still english, even though LANG and LANGUAGE is set to german |
| 19:05.32 | mcgreg | maxbe I need to make de_de? |
| 19:05.54 | dondelelcaro | mcgreg: if you haven't, yes, you'd need to. run dpkg-reconfigure locales; to do so. |
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| 19:06.19 | mcgreg | dondelelcaro: I have them all available, I compiled them already |
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| 19:07.28 | mcgreg | dondelelcaro: ahh now icq is german |
| 19:07.34 | mcgreg | so it had to be de_DE |
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| 19:07.38 | mcgreg | dondelelcaro: I thank you |
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| 19:07.52 | freakzoid0223 | Guten tag :) |
| 19:07.54 | dbe | How can I view which packages that recently has been installed? |
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| 19:08.50 | murosai_ | is it possible to see my bios version without booting my computer? |
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| 19:12.55 | nvz | howdy |
| 19:13.52 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 19:14.08 | foo | How can I find out what init I am in? |
| 19:14.30 | nvz | you mean what runlevel you are running? |
| 19:15.11 | foo | nvz: Correcet, my bad |
| 19:15.25 | nvz | all run levels 2-5 are the same on debian unless the administer configures them |
| 19:15.33 | nvz | boots to 2 by default |
| 19:15.44 | foo | Thanks |
| 19:15.52 | foo | Can I type something to spit out what runlevel I am in? |
| 19:16.07 | nopcode | i'm trying to copy a whole harddisk with a tar-file per partition... much much do i need to copy from the start of the disk? |
| 19:16.30 | nopcode | i mean for bootsector, partition table etc |
| 19:16.44 | Blissex | nopcode: pointless. |
| 19:16.52 | nopcode | because? |
| 19:18.13 | Blissex | nopcode: partition tables etc. don't quite work that way. Use 'sfdisk -l' to save the partitions. |
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| 19:19.00 | TonyRad | How can I remove a symbolic link? |
| 19:19.05 | bart416 | oh great, this totaly sucks :| |
| 19:19.09 | nopcode | Blissex: ehrm why dont they work that way? |
| 19:19.10 | bart416 | doesn't even work directly on router :| |
| 19:19.17 | nopcode | Blissex: i've only got primary partitions |
| 19:20.02 | Blissex | nopcode: then you can save just the first 512 bytes with 'dd', but just use 'sfdisk -l' instead. |
| 19:20.06 | dbe | How can I view which packages that has been installed trough apt? |
| 19:20.34 | nopcode | Blissex: ah you mean sfdisk -d. yeah makes sense, thanks |
| 19:20.48 | Blissex | nopcode: ah yes... |
| 19:20.52 | i3dmaster | TonyRad: just rm it |
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| 19:21.44 | nopcode | Blissex: do you know the best way to archive a partition with tar? |
| 19:21.58 | nopcode | so it can be restored identically? |
| 19:22.02 | Blissex | nopcode: possibly :-) |
| 19:22.10 | nopcode | tell me ;) |
| 19:22.24 | dbe | nopcode, just tar / |
| 19:22.27 | TonyRad | i3dmaster: what is it I'm actually removing? Is it a file in the /usr/lib or a .so file or ? |
| 19:22.35 | nopcode | dbe: what about devices etc pp |
| 19:22.41 | navaladi | Can i able to get a XGL working in debian sarge 3.1.. |
| 19:22.46 | Blissex | nopcode: I usually use 'tar -cS --one -b 8 -f .... ....' to archive and 'tar -xS -p -b 8 -f ...' to restore. |
| 19:22.50 | i3dmaster | TonyRad: you just got rid of the link |
| 19:22.52 | nopcode | Blissex: omg |
| 19:23.01 | dbe | nopcode, Try it, I removed / by accident once. |
| 19:23.10 | dbe | nopcode, Try it, I removed / to /tmp/ by accident once. |
| 19:23.11 | navaladi | is there any .deb packages available or should i compile from source? |
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| 19:23.25 | Blissex | nopcode: add compression options if valuable. I use 'lzop' for compression actually because it is very fast and still compresses OK. |
| 19:24.05 | nopcode | Blissex: i'll just use -z =) |
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| 19:24.23 | Blissex | nopcode: that is quite slow and will significantly reduce the speed... |
| 19:24.31 | nopcode | this is an opteron :) |
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| 19:24.52 | nopcode | and its just a few hundred megs anways |
| 19:26.00 | Cratos | I upgraded my Debian machine giving it 4Gb ram ( for VMware server ) but Linux only sees 3170.88mb ( 925.12 too less ) I do not have hot-swap PCI-X enabled. |
| 19:26.16 | Cratos | How can I fix this? |
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| 19:26.32 | nopcode | Blissex: oh but what about the bootloader? |
| 19:26.35 | nopcode | Blissex: i need that too |
| 19:26.50 | zinx | Cratos: the best way? 64-bit :/ |
| 19:27.07 | Blissex | nopcode: ahhhhhhhrghhhh. you cannot really restore it. Unless the restore-to system is _identical_. |
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| 19:27.19 | nopcode | Blissex: it is! |
| 19:27.20 | zinx | Cratos: the easy way? a processor-specific kernel should come with support for more memory, though maybe not for 4G |
| 19:27.25 | Blissex | Cratos: it is most probably a limitation of your motherboard. |
| 19:27.26 | nopcode | i just wanna save my progress on installing this server |
| 19:27.37 | nopcode | because it took me so long. |
| 19:27.46 | nopcode | because i had to bootstrap debian from ubuntu |
| 19:27.50 | nopcode | and replace ubuntu by it |
| 19:28.25 | Cratos | It's a generic Debian 686 kernel, on a Intel core2 duo |
| 19:28.36 | nopcode | Cratos: intel nazi |
| 19:28.38 | nopcode | ehrm |
| 19:28.40 | nopcode | *cough* |
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| 19:29.04 | Blissex | Cratos: Core2 duo means that probably your motherboard does not have the limitation. But double check. |
| 19:29.13 | Cratos | Hey, I also run Alpha and PPC <- 3 of them, I am no Intel Nazi ok! |
| 19:29.33 | Blissex | nopcode: the best way to do that is to have a disk of the same capacity and just copy the whole disk. |
| 19:30.00 | Cratos | The mainboard can do 8Gb, the bios does say 4Gb ( 4x 1Gb DDR2 667 ) |
| 19:30.07 | nopcode | Blissex: doh, its not local ;) |
| 19:30.12 | Blissex | nopcode: I have 4 drives in my PC: two ''main'' drives and two ''backup'' drives, and each night each of the two ''main'' drives. |
| 19:30.23 | Blissex | nopcode: then use 'rsync'. |
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| 19:30.58 | Blissex | Cratos: then triple check that you have got HIMEM enabled in the kernel. |
| 19:31.02 | zinx | Cratos: try a p4 kernel |
| 19:31.16 | zinx | Cratos: or a em64t kernel, but that may break a good bit. |
| 19:31.20 | Blissex | Cratos: and do as <zinx> says. At least a 686 kernel. |
| 19:31.34 | Blissex | zinx: em64t not good... |
| 19:31.53 | Cratos | I do run a 686 kernel right now, GRUB already does it wrong |
| 19:32.00 | zinx | Blissex: it would definitely support the memory.. i just don't know that it would support the 32-bit userspace in debian :D |
| 19:32.01 | Blissex | Cratos: but you do have it. |
| 19:32.29 | Blissex | zinx: for the real memory it would be not necessary. Up to 4GiB. Address space another thing. |
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| 19:32.45 | bart416 | no chance i can ever connect the hd to my desktop :| |
| 19:32.57 | Cratos | The core2 does have em64t and VT, that was the reason to buy it |
| 19:33.03 | Blissex | Cratos: <zinx> makes me have a doubt: are you complaining about a 3GB limit in the _address space_ or the _RAM_ that the kernel uses? |
| 19:33.12 | zinx | Blissex: >4G is "Huge TLB" or "Huge mem" or something, not just HIGHMEM |
| 19:33.31 | Blissex | Cratos: problem is, EM64T means you have to do a complete reinstall. |
| 19:33.32 | Cratos | it's not 3Gb its 3.1Gb |
| 19:33.35 | zinx | i would try a P4 kernel first |
| 19:33.54 | zinx | Blissex: nah, 64-bit kernel is supposed to at least half-work with 32-bit userspace; some people are doing it |
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| 19:34.01 | Cratos | The Huge mem is for > 4Gb |
| 19:34.41 | Blissex | Cratos: it may be that your MB chipset is too new for the kernel, and the kernel cannot properly setup the mappings. |
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| 19:35.09 | Cratos | Is it normal for GRUB to be off too? |
| 19:35.16 | Blissex | Cratos: also, check if there is any relevant BIOS setting. also check 'dmesg' and see how the kernel setup the memory mappings and so on. |
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| 19:35.25 | Blissex | Cratos: «off» in what way? |
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| 19:36.01 | ma3x | anybody understands what this means in french for the adsl connection : Zones dégroupées and Zones non dégroupées ? |
| 19:36.26 | ph00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.51 | mkl1525 | Hi, for adaptec raid-controller there is the raidutils package to manage the raid controller - is there something similar for 3ware raid controller? |
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| 19:36.54 | ma3x | I can already read it. I'm asking if anybody kows what it means |
| 19:36.58 | Blissex | Cratos: but you see if HIMEM were off, it would only see 896MiB. So you got some form of HIMEM. |
| 19:37.08 | ph00 | ma3x can you post it again (couldnt see some letters, wrong charset) |
| 19:37.30 | roxy_ | I am trying to print from a debian-sid to a debian-sid with a usb printer attached. In localhost:631 of the client I can see the printer but when printing I get the error /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp stopped with status 1 |
| 19:37.31 | nopcode | uhm |
| 19:37.35 | ma3x | anybody understands what this means in french for the adsl connection : Zones dégroupées and Zones non dégroupées ? |
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| 19:37.40 | nopcode | could it be possible that there is no partimage package for amd64? |
| 19:37.50 | Blissex | nopcode: sure... |
| 19:37.51 | sepski | mkl1525,3ware have a webtool and a shell tool. dont know if they are packaged |
| 19:37.52 | Cratos | Grub also finds 3.1 Gb ram, I did once see a Sun v40z use 800Mb ( of 16Gb ) for hot swap PCI-X |
| 19:37.58 | nopcode | Blissex: wtf? |
| 19:38.02 | ph00 | grouped zones and non-grouped zones I think |
| 19:38.07 | nopcode | nazis |
| 19:38.09 | nopcode | 32-bit nazis |
| 19:38.13 | roxy_ | ma3x: it has to do with who provides your phone land line |
| 19:38.21 | Blissex | nopcode: AMD64 is still not really released. |
| 19:38.33 | Cratos | The Sun's have 4x Opteron |
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| 19:38.54 | ma3x | roxy_, which one is degroupe and which one is non degroupe? |
| 19:38.56 | marine|FrMa | how can i reinstall the kde core |
| 19:39.01 | roxy_ | ma3x: depends of where you live. Non degroupe means france telecom *has* to be your phone provider, non degroupe you can choose |
| 19:39.05 | Blissex | Cratos: it does look like that the motherboard sets up some non agreeable mappings. |
| 19:39.14 | roxy_ | ma3x: where do you live ? |
| 19:39.41 | ma3x | roxy_, vitry sur seine |
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| 19:40.10 | ma3x | roxy_, say again what means degroupe? |
| 19:40.24 | Cratos | I will install the 2.6-em64t-p4-smp kernel brb |
| 19:40.37 | mkl1525 | sepski, thanks for the info will have a look at their website |
| 19:40.42 | ma3x | roxy_, is neuf.fr the best? |
| 19:40.47 | roxy_ | ma3x: I am in a degroupe zone. Neuf is my phone provider, I don't have anything to do with france telecom anymore |
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| 19:41.21 | roxy_ | ma3x: they're ok with me atm. |
| 19:41.29 | ma3x | roxy_, what is the disadvantage if you separate from france telco? |
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| 19:42.23 | ma3x | roxy_, I dont know if I should choose degroupee or non degroupee |
| 19:42.47 | crazy_penguin | Good evening all! |
| 19:42.47 | ma3x | roxy_, how much mbits is your line disponsible? |
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| 19:43.12 | roxy_ | ma3x: I pay for 10 Mbits a month |
| 19:43.39 | roxy_ | ma3x: if you have internet at work, choose degroupe it is cheaper. |
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| 19:43.58 | roxy_ | ma3x: if your connection is cut for a few days you'll survive |
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| 19:44.15 | ma3x | roxy_, how much do you pay? |
| 19:44.24 | roxy_ | ma3x: but when I went from non degroupe to degroupe it took less than 2 hours |
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| 19:44.52 | roxy_ | ma3x: less than 30 euros for phone + net |
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| 19:45.30 | ma3x | roxy_, less then 2 hours to setup the line? |
| 19:45.41 | baegle | I'm trying to increase my screen resolution. I just did a fresh install of Etch. my xorg.config has 1600 and 1152 but it's only using 1024. It's using the nv driver, I have an nvidia geforce2 gts that I've done 1600 in windows with, and I could have sworn I had it running in linux, too. Is there an external nvidia driver package I need beyond the one I can get with apt? |
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| 19:46.35 | ma3x | roxy_, I am zone non degroupee. how much should I pay? |
| 19:46.45 | ma3x | roxy_, I can only have 512k? :( |
| 19:47.08 | azeem | ma3x, roxy_: please consider taking your conversation to a /qurey |
| 19:47.11 | azeem | eh, /query |
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| 19:47.21 | roxy_ | ma3x: non degroupe you need to pay FT and neuf(I think about 14euros a month) |
| 19:47.26 | ma3x | azeem, ok |
| 19:47.40 | roxy_ | ma3x: => #flood |
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| 19:47.51 | grendal_prime | is there anyway..(this is werid that i dont know how to do this) to execute an app on another machine and have it interact with the desktop of that machine?? |
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| 19:48.11 | Blissex | grendal_prime: yes. |
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| 19:48.15 | azeem | he's gone |
| 19:48.17 | grendal_prime | really |
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| 19:48.36 | azeem | grendal_prime: do you mean x11 forwarding? |
| 19:48.41 | grendal_prime | Blissex, baisicaly, i have an istant messenger app tha ti need to fire up on the destop |
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| 19:48.53 | grendal_prime | of the other machine |
| 19:49.02 | grendal_prime | i dont want to vnc to it. |
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| 19:49.19 | Blissex | grendal_prime: if it is remote: check 'ssh -X' |
| 19:49.20 | grendal_prime | i just want to start up kopete on the desktop so i can messeg the user |
| 19:49.21 | petriborg | if its another unix box you can use x11 forwarding via ssh -X... |
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| 19:49.42 | petriborg | if its a windows box you're screwed |
| 19:49.55 | petriborg | if its osx it can be done too tho you might need to tinker |
| 19:50.07 | grendal_prime | i thought that allowed me to run the apps locally not fire them up on the remote machine |
| 19:50.20 | grendal_prime | petriborg, windows box?? whats that? |
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| 19:50.40 | petriborg | the process is run on the remote machine, the display is forwarded to you GP |
| 19:50.55 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 19:52.22 | grendal_prime | ok here is the breadow of this network. a -> b(linuxrouter) -> linux desktop |
| 19:52.48 | grendal_prime | so i would start up ssh with the -X switch on the linux desktop ? |
| 19:53.07 | Cratos | Server looks better, 2 CPU's ( 2 cores ) but still 925.12Mb too little ram :-( |
| 19:53.18 | grendal_prime | or there should be an option in tht config for that right? |
| 19:53.49 | Blissex | Cratos: looks like an unfortunate mapping at the chipset level. Check 'dmesg' to see how it gets setup. |
| 19:54.17 | petriborg | grendal_prime: it all depends on the systems... |
| 19:54.52 | petriborg | grendal_prime: A must also be unix box |
| 19:54.57 | grendal_prime | ok say i log into the linux based routher |
| 19:54.59 | grendal_prime | ya it is |
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| 19:55.41 | grendal_prime | all of them are nix boxes |
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| 19:56.35 | petriborg | grendal_prime: if B is a linux router i would guess you could do "ssh -X nick@C" from A's terminal |
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| 19:57.24 | Cratos | First memory message : Memory: 3217100k/3276480k available (1671k kernel code, 58628k reserved, 909k data, 156k init) |
| 19:57.24 | petriborg | grendal_prime: it should just connect you, to a normal ssh terminal session, but you can then call up your chat program, gaim or whatever from the command line... it will be launched on C and the display sent to you |
| 19:58.03 | grendal_prime | i dont want the display sent to me..i just want to start op the app so that it interacts with the destkop there. |
| 19:58.28 | grendal_prime | basically, somehouw the instant messeging client was turned off..or crashed or whatever |
| 19:58.46 | petriborg | oh i see |
| 19:58.51 | grendal_prime | i just want to start it back up so that its running on there desktop, like a remote execute of some sore |
| 19:58.53 | grendal_prime | sort |
| 19:59.01 | petriborg | sure |
| 19:59.05 | petriborg | ok well uh |
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| 19:59.14 | petriborg | thats possible too i suppose |
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| 19:59.58 | petriborg | you wouldn't need or what the -X then, and you'd want to do something like "nohup YOURPROGRAM &" in the terminal.... |
| 20:00.08 | petriborg | i'm not sure what ssh would do to the display tho |
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| 20:00.45 | grendal_prime | seems odd that this would be difficult |
| 20:00.58 | petriborg | its not really |
| 20:01.12 | petriborg | i'm just having to make a lot of guesses and assumptions about what you want and your setup |
| 20:01.31 | petriborg | because these things tend to be somewhat different on different system setups |
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| 20:01.48 | grendal_prime | i could make a cron job to start it up ...and then...well thats alot to just strat a prog up |
| 20:01.58 | petriborg | indeed |
| 20:02.19 | petriborg | any old network connection should work |
| 20:02.29 | petriborg | you basically need the program to know you want your desktop |
| 20:02.43 | grendal_prime | well i know but it seems like...i have a desktop, i can log into it from here, not directly but i can log into the router, then from there ssh into the machine. I just need to strart up kopete on the running X session there |
| 20:02.48 | petriborg | your local desktop is defined by the DISPLAY envornment variable |
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| 20:02.58 | grendal_prime | display:0 |
| 20:03.05 | petriborg | yep |
| 20:03.18 | grendal_prime | so kopet --display:0? |
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| 20:03.38 | petriborg | if kopet takes a --display arg, then yeah |
| 20:03.54 | petriborg | otherwise you can force it by putting the variables def in front of the exe name |
| 20:03.58 | petriborg | like this: |
| 20:04.11 | petriborg | DISPLAY=:0.0 gaim & |
| 20:04.22 | petriborg | and then gaim opens up on my local display for me |
| 20:04.23 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.37 | petriborg | if it was called from somewhere else that is |
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| 20:07.46 | grendal_prime | petriborg, it returned this |
| 20:07.47 | grendal_prime | [1] 11833 |
| 20:07.56 | grendal_prime | instance and pid? |
| 20:07.59 | petriborg | yeah |
| 20:08.14 | petriborg | did it show up on the remote machine like we wanted? |
| 20:08.41 | grendal_prime | don know..im gonna try int on a machine here |
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| 20:10.58 | scorn | Can anyone point me to a good How_to on moving a / partition that includes everything except /home. Also need to get Grub bootloader moved. |
| 20:11.31 | odla | does anyone know how i can make the GUI go away in gmplayer? when i run mplayer in full screen the GUI stays above it |
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| 20:12.13 | grendal_prime | ya that worked |
| 20:12.16 | grendal_prime | thanks man |
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| 20:14.21 | petriborg | np man |
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| 20:15.00 | grendal_prime | now..anyway to kill said app? |
| 20:15.53 | petriborg | from the same terminal you should be able to still see the process ... so try "ps" |
| 20:16.19 | petriborg | if you closed the terminal you will need to do something like "ps aux | grep USERNAME" and find the one you started and then kill it |
| 20:16.33 | petriborg | you can kill it with the command "kill -9 PROCESSNUMBER" |
| 20:16.51 | petriborg | actually, the process number *should* be 11833 |
| 20:17.01 | petriborg | that number that the terminal put out when it was started |
| 20:17.14 | odla | how can i give a regular user premission to run cdrecord? i read the manpage and it told me to chmod 4711 /usr/bin/cdrecord but that didn't seem to work |
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| 20:18.06 | odla | this is the output from ls -l /usr/bin/cdreocord -rws--x--x 1 root root 133 2006-01-07 11:43 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 20:18.48 | grendal_prime | odla, you got k3b on that machine? |
| 20:18.54 | odla | nope |
| 20:18.58 | odla | just bonfire |
| 20:19.00 | grendal_prime | or is the regular user not using a desktop |
| 20:19.19 | odla | i want a regular user to be able to use cdrecord to burn cds |
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| 20:19.31 | odla | and i'm the only one on my laptop so i don't care about assigning it to a group |
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| 20:19.41 | grendal_prime | o |
| 20:20.34 | grendal_prime | i use k3b it has a setup script that sets permissions for the regular users...probably runs it suid. i dont know but what i do know is that its pretty brainless setup and it works better than any other burning app i have ever seen...on any os. |
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| 20:21.20 | grendal_prime | it its on your laptop i would highly recommend it as a frontside app for manageing burable operations. |
| 20:21.30 | grendal_prime | burnable that is |
| 20:21.45 | odla | i don't really like kde apps |
| 20:22.01 | grendal_prime | ya the work awful well. |
| 20:22.43 | odla | if i install k3b it will installed about 100+mb of dependencies i don't need for anything than k3b |
| 20:22.43 | grendal_prime | that one especially. I know people that have a liunx box with just that app because it is so easy to use. |
| 20:23.01 | odla | bonfire is super easy too and so is cdrecord |
| 20:23.07 | JordiGH | But duuuuuuude.... KDE is purty! |
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| 20:23.23 | odla | i know that before etch regular users could run cdrecord there's something that has changed in the kernel |
| 20:23.23 | jelly-home | kde is dogslow... |
| 20:23.31 | odla | kde looks like Windows |
| 20:23.31 | grendal_prime | i cant help ya then thats the bredthi of my knowledge, and i dont think bonfire is all that easy. |
| 20:23.32 | jelly-home | !start a de war |
| 20:23.45 | Deaxtah | :. |
| 20:23.46 | odla | grendal_prime: np...thanks for trying! |
| 20:23.47 | JordiGH | odla: You can use Superkaramba to make it look like MacOS X, if you prefer. :P |
| 20:23.59 | jlaw | lol odla, have a look at this |
| 20:24.03 | jlaw | wait a sec |
| 20:24.04 | JordiGH | Lemme give ya hand, jelly-home: |
| 20:24.07 | JordiGH | !start a dekstop war |
| 20:24.20 | jelly-home | JordiGH: thanks ... for nothing. ;-) |
| 20:24.21 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 20:24.21 | dpkg | KDE is better than GNOME, period. |
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| 20:24.26 | JordiGH | Aha! |
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| 20:24.35 | CHodapp | AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH |
| 20:24.36 | Deaxtah | what about |
| 20:24.39 | jlaw | odla, does this look like windoze to you? http://www.directupload.net/show/d/792/xh2lZ4rg.png |
| 20:24.40 | Deaxtah | screw kde and gnome |
| 20:24.52 | azeem | CHodapp: stop that |
| 20:25.00 | CHodapp | but... |
| 20:25.04 | scorn | Can anyone point me to a good How_to on moving a / partition that includes everything except /home. Also need to get Grub bootloader moved. |
| 20:25.05 | CHodapp | someone started a flame war... |
| 20:25.05 | jlaw | !slap CHodapp |
| 20:25.21 | Deaxtah | what a stupid scripts :| |
| 20:25.34 | CHodapp | aug |
| 20:25.35 | odla | jlaw: no...you use blender? |
| 20:25.38 | grendal_prime | i proprarly wouldnt like kde, accpet that it is so damn easy to use, and the seemless integration with ssh for file handling, i mean come on, on the fly vpn to anything on the wire, anywhere. you cant beat that. |
| 20:25.44 | azeem | jlaw, JordiGH, CHodapp: take this to another chan, please |
| 20:25.50 | jlaw | odla ... at least i try to !-) |
| 20:25.56 | odla | :) |
| 20:25.58 | Deaxtah | does everything needs to be hard to use grendal_prime ? |
| 20:26.19 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: I was looking for a nice GUI for sftp, but Konqui don't know sftp. Any other suggestion? :-/ |
| 20:26.26 | Deaxtah | thats a stupid thought |
| 20:27.10 | grendal_prime | sftp is not supported by kde? |
| 20:27.17 | grendal_prime | that makes no sense.. |
| 20:27.19 | grendal_prime | fish is.. |
| 20:27.23 | grendal_prime | holdon |
| 20:27.39 | nopcode | ok now that my server doesnt boot anymore |
| 20:27.39 | Deaxtah | the internet is slow |
| 20:27.46 | nopcode | could anyone tell me WHERE the root fs is stored? |
| 20:27.54 | JordiGH | nopcode: / |
| 20:28.00 | nopcode | except for kernel boot= argument and fstab |
| 20:28.04 | nopcode | JordiGH: fu |
| 20:28.47 | grendal_prime | JordiGH, sftp://myserver.com/home/mike/Desktop/ |
| 20:28.59 | JordiGH | Hm, is it not possible to install testing right now? |
| 20:29.07 | grendal_prime | you just put that in any dialog box in kde and it works |
| 20:29.28 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's always possible... the questions is whether you can. (Or whether we can help you install it) |
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| 20:29.34 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: Oh, wow. It *does* understand sftp. |
| 20:30.53 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I ask because there's this message here... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 20:31.21 | odla | ah wtf...i know it's wrong but i'll just chown of /usr/bin/cdrecord to my user instead of root |
| 20:31.35 | nvz | ahh |
| 20:31.53 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: By the way, I just a had a dream about your nick, and I couldn't remember where I had seen it when I woke up. It was creepy. :P |
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| 20:32.01 | nvz | oh this shoe doesnt fit, I'll just cut off one of my toes.. |
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| 20:32.46 | CHodapp | my toe is fractured because a large heavy log fell on it, that's really not a nice solution... |
| 20:33.01 | nvz | with or without steel toes? |
| 20:33.10 | CHodapp | without |
| 20:33.12 | Heston | where are the "testing" etch iso's located on ftp://ftp.debian.org/ ? |
| 20:33.17 | CHodapp | because I didn't know I'd be moving logs |
| 20:33.25 | nvz | yeah |
| 20:33.33 | JordiGH | Heston: I was just asking about that. It seems that the developers are too busy right now to build etch! |
| 20:33.56 | nvz | I got non-slip work shoes and steel-toe boots right now.. I need a new pair of sneakers :P |
| 20:33.59 | Heston | JordiGH, how nice... |
| 20:34.24 | JordiGH | Heston: Yes... "nice".. I'm going to do a netinstall instead. |
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| 20:35.24 | jlaw | Heston, deb http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/ testing main |
| 20:35.34 | jlaw | Hesten, debian.org will be similar |
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| 20:36.06 | Heston | jlaw, i looked through almost all the directories and couldnt find it :/ |
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| 20:37.07 | Heston | i think i just needed to be on the subdomain cdimage |
| 20:37.43 | JordiGH | jlaw: The iso isn't there, is it? |
| 20:38.16 | jlaw | JordiGH, of course not, it's the entry for apt |
| 20:38.47 | JordiGH | jlaw: Yes, of course not. Heston and I were asking about the iso. |
| 20:39.07 | jlaw | JordiGH, ohh, sorry |
| 20:39.12 | jlaw | wait a sec |
| 20:40.09 | JordiGH | Is a netinst specifically associated with a distribution? 'Cause it says here that the netinst is for sarge, but I don't see why I can't just put etch or sid sources in my sources.list while I'm doing the installation... |
| 20:40.33 | azeem | JordiGH: I wouldn't recommend that |
| 20:40.40 | azeem | better switch after the installation |
| 20:40.58 | odla | JordiGH: you can do a netinstall of etch or sid |
| 20:41.01 | jlaw | JordiGH, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:41.28 | JordiGH | azeem: Uh, whaddya mean "after"? After I install the base system? |
| 20:41.30 | odla | does anyone know how i can make the GUI go away when I put gmplayer to full screen? |
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| 20:41.45 | azeem | JordiGH: yes |
| 20:41.48 | odla | JordiGH: you can install etch or sid directly without needing to go through sarge |
| 20:41.54 | azeem | well, after the installation is completed |
| 20:42.10 | JordiGH | odla: So it's not that accurate to say that the netinst you download is specifically for sarge? |
| 20:42.25 | azeem | JordiGH: sure, it contains the sarge base debs |
| 20:42.30 | odla | JordiGH: it depends...you download a netinstall specific to each installation |
| 20:42.39 | Heston | JordiGH, why dont you just get the etch_di_beta3 netinstall iso |
| 20:42.41 | odla | JordiGH: you can d/l a netinstall for sarge, etch, or sid |
| 20:42.42 | JordiGH | odla: Where's the one for etch? |
| 20:42.54 | odla | JordiGH: i think someone just posted the link above |
| 20:42.59 | odla | look for debian-installer |
| 20:43.06 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 20:43.11 | odla | get beta3 or weekly or daily build |
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| 20:44.13 | JordiGH | This link times out on me: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd |
| 20:44.14 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 20:44.25 | JordiGH | Quoth the server: 404 |
| 20:44.26 | odla | use wget -c |
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| 20:44.47 | harleyg | hi.. |
| 20:44.55 | ezu | i am on a fresh install of debian and I was just curious on which packages I should install for a laptop. i did not want ot install the default desktop because this laptop is a little to old for gnome to run well |
| 20:45.00 | jlaw | JordiGH, have you had a look at the url i gave you |
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| 20:45.13 | azeem | JordiGH: get beta3 |
| 20:45.16 | jlaw | JordiGH, there you get the current netinstall images for etch |
| 20:45.17 | harleyg | hwo woudld i add http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ to sources.list? |
| 20:45.18 | harleyg | jpw* |
| 20:45.24 | harleyg | god damn it.. how* |
| 20:45.53 | JordiGH | jlaw: Yeah, ok. But someone just confirm. It's not possible to download etch isos right now? |
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| 20:46.00 | tralala | harleyg: you can always tell a touch-typist by the mistakes hi makes ;) |
| 20:46.02 | odla | harleyg: put a deb before the http and after /debian/ <distro> main non-free contrib where <distro> is stable/sarge or etch/testing or sid/unstable |
| 20:46.12 | FernandoM | Hello, could someone help me with the configuration of a mic on debian? |
| 20:46.19 | FernandoM | i'm using arts |
| 20:46.30 | JordiGH | FernandoM: Tried #kde yet? |
| 20:46.47 | harleyg | lol tralala, nah im just fixing my server up... again... im using an old crappy keyvboard ;) |
| 20:46.48 | FernandoM | JordiGH: not yet, will try them |
| 20:46.50 | harleyg | see... |
| 20:46.52 | cowman | I'm having a problem installing etch on my thinkpad (t43). After booting from the cdrom it can't find it in the installer :( I checked the bootup messeges and where it shold be detecting the drive it says ATAPI is disabled, device ignored |
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| 20:47.10 | cowman | so I guess atapi is disabled... for god knows what reason. how would I enable it? |
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| 20:47.34 | tralala | harleyg: :) |
| 20:47.34 | rares | No alternatives for java how do i fix it? |
| 20:48.41 | harleyg | odla: deb http://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/debian sid/unstable main non-free contrib |
| 20:48.49 | JordiGH | FernandoM: #kde usually has lower traffic than present company, but it's more likely someone there will know... |
| 20:49.01 | harleyg | odla, i use that and get 404 errors, when looking on the mirror it is in diferent dirs.. |
| 20:49.09 | rares | ? |
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| 20:49.30 | tralala | harleyg: either sid or unstable, not both |
| 20:49.38 | harleyg | ok |
| 20:49.40 | dvs | harleyg: I think it should be either "sid" or "unstable" but not both |
| 20:49.59 | harleyg | still 404 errors etc. |
| 20:50.03 | tralala | harleyg: are you using sid on a server? You brave soul! |
| 20:50.12 | harleyg | sorry, i've forgoten all this stuff :) |
| 20:50.37 | dvs | harleyg: there is no debian directory in the mirror directory |
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| 20:50.42 | ezu | I am trying to get xorg installed on stable, what package(s) do I need to install to get it going? |
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| 20:51.02 | odla | ezu: probably xserver-xorg |
| 20:51.18 | tralala | harleyg: they don't have it on http - change to ftp |
| 20:51.18 | harleyg | http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ |
| 20:51.23 | harleyg | think i meant that... |
| 20:51.27 | odla | ezu: you've added backports i presume |
| 20:51.36 | blondie | hmm, why is my mail moving from /var/mail/login to ~login/mbox :| |
| 20:51.50 | harleyg | awesom.. it works ;) |
| 20:51.54 | ezu | odla: no, can you paste me the info for apt to put them in there? |
| 20:52.19 | odla | ezu: please check out www.backports.org first or ask dpkg about it then if you need help i'd be more than happy to help you |
| 20:52.28 | odla | !tell ezu about xorg |
| 20:52.30 | {cyborg} | blondie: dig in your mta main config file |
| 20:53.02 | blondie | {cyborg}: but it's only for one user x.x |
| 20:53.19 | {cyborg} | blondie: ok |
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| 20:56.10 | [Bart] | how can I know which /dev/xxx my mouse is using? |
| 20:57.04 | azeem | [Bart]: is it not working? |
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| 20:57.58 | [Bart] | azeem : my mouse isn`t working. while I can see it in my devices (/proc),so Im wondering what /dev/.. its using /dev/inpt mouse or soemthing else |
| 20:58.09 | murokki | ummm why the current wine package is antique (0.9.15), the newest version is 0.9.19 |
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| 20:58.12 | azeem | [Bart]: are you using unstable? |
| 20:58.12 | dvs | [Bart]: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 20:58.22 | murokki | and im using unstable |
| 20:58.23 | [Bart] | dvs: no, that doesnt work :( |
| 20:58.32 | smhar | hello, |
| 20:58.53 | azeem | murokki: eh, antique? |
| 20:58.59 | smhar | just a quick question: is it possible to get xgl running on a fairly standard sarge installation? |
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| 20:59.34 | odla | can someone help me set up cdrecord properly? right now I've got used lontra as the owner but i'd like to just allow user to run it not be the owner. i know i need to use chmod but the instructions on the manpage didn't work so i resorted to chown |
| 20:59.40 | harleyg | anyway, thanks tralala and odla :) |
| 20:59.42 | odla | s used/user |
| 20:59.48 | azeem | [Bart]: are you using unstable? |
| 20:59.56 | harleyg | ill probably be back in a few mins asking another moronic question |
| 20:59.58 | harleyg | :) |
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| 21:00.03 | [Bart] | azeem : yes, with kernewl 2.6.17 |
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| 21:00.06 | murokki | azeem: well yes |
| 21:00.11 | [Bart] | kernel I mean :) |
| 21:00.20 | azeem | [Bart]: ps ax | grep udev, does that show udevd? |
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| 21:00.55 | [Bart] | azeem : nope. but now I remember that I saw an error regarding udev at boot time |
| 21:01.48 | azeem | [Bart]: wait till your mirror has klibc-utils_1.4.19-2, upgrade to it, and rebuild your initrd |
| 21:02.16 | [Bart] | azeem : so its a known bug? |
| 21:02.23 | azeem | sure |
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| 21:03.01 | [Bart] | grr :) I thought my new mouse just didnt work in Linux. Well, I will never learn it..never do 2 things at the same time :) |
| 21:03.12 | azeem | [Bart]: well, maybe the mouse is still an issue |
| 21:03.26 | azeem | but udevd not running is a good hint you're hitting today's unstable breakage |
| 21:03.34 | NoNaMeNo | hi to verybody :P |
| 21:03.46 | NoNaMeNo | everybody* |
| 21:03.51 | YeTr2 | Does anyone know of any documentation about getting and installing iptables extensions into the kernel? |
| 21:03.55 | [Bart] | correct azeem . But if I have the udev running again, I think it will help a lot. |
| 21:04.19 | NoNaMeNo | YeTr2 what do you mean ¿? |
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| 21:05.27 | YeTr2 | NoNaMeNo: trying to find anything that'll help me install iptables extensions debian wise |
| 21:05.56 | nvz | iptables is part of the kernel, its not an extension |
| 21:06.00 | YeTr2 | .... |
| 21:06.03 | NoNaMeNo | stable distro has iptables inside |
| 21:06.21 | YeTr2 | iptables extensions, not iptables |
| 21:06.29 | NoNaMeNo | like what? |
| 21:06.37 | BarryAllen | what pop-imap server you guys recommends to use with ldap? |
| 21:06.42 | {cyborg} | nvz: actually, netfilter is part of the kernel, iptables is a userspace tool :-) |
| 21:06.42 | YeTr2 | ipt_time, for one |
| 21:06.53 | [Bart] | azeem : mouse works now.. :P starting the udev manually solved the problem |
| 21:06.55 | nvz | {cyborg}: :) |
| 21:06.59 | BarryAllen | i have it working with dovecote, but heard about courier and sasl |
| 21:07.24 | azeem | [Bart]: via /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 21:07.41 | [Bart] | azeem : /etc/init.d/udev start indeed |
| 21:07.45 | azeem | cool |
| 21:08.30 | [Bart] | azeem : tnx for giving me the udev hint. I didnt think about that |
| 21:08.53 | azeem | murokki: well, 0.9.15 is from early June |
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| 21:10.33 | NoNaMeNo | YeTr2: im not an iptables expert :P, i dont know what are you talking about |
| 21:10.46 | Hoxzer | do you guys know any program that could easily send a file from personA who is not connectable to personB who is connectable if needed |
| 21:10.49 | Hoxzer | ? |
| 21:10.56 | Hoxzer | it has to be supported in windows |
| 21:11.00 | Hoxzer | at least send |
| 21:11.09 | azeem | Hoxzer: email? |
| 21:11.26 | Hoxzer | azeem: :D it is more than 100MB |
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| 21:11.36 | murokki | azeem: i think that's pretty old for unstable release... |
| 21:11.53 | azeem | murokki: hardly `antique' though |
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| 21:12.06 | murokki | doh :P |
| 21:12.30 | YeTr2 | NoNaMeNo: iptables distribution contains extensions that are not used by regular users or that are still quite experimental or finally, that are pending for kernel inclusion. These extensions are usually not compiled, unless you've asked for it. |
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| 21:17.43 | dondelelcaro | Hoxzer: e-mail will do gigantic files. |
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| 21:18.14 | Hoxzer | dondelelcaro: hmmm' |
| 21:18.32 | Hoxzer | dondelelcaro: yeah, but most services have like 10MB attachment limit |
| 21:19.23 | dvs | Hoxzer: not if you have your own "service" ;-) |
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| 21:19.46 | Hoxzer | dvs: yeah, and that would require work and this guy doesn't want to work |
| 21:20.04 | Hoxzer | I asked him to make a ftp server "no can do" |
| 21:20.17 | dvs | Hoxzer: Email server? |
| 21:20.27 | Hoxzer | email server is same thing |
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| 21:20.48 | harleyg | back ;) |
| 21:20.55 | dvs | harleyg: next question? |
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| 21:21.02 | harleyg | whats the command to choose what starts on boot |
| 21:21.08 | harleyg | i really cant remember |
| 21:21.14 | dvs | harleyg: GUI? |
| 21:21.16 | harleyg | when i see it il be like DUH THATS IT! |
| 21:21.20 | harleyg | nope, command line |
| 21:21.25 | dvs | harleyg: update-rc.d |
| 21:21.36 | harleyg | rc! |
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| 21:22.06 | Foxxici | harleyg: Wii? |
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| 21:22.11 | dondelelcaro | Hoxzer: so split the files into pieces. alternatively, use usenet. |
| 21:22.21 | dondelelcaro | Hoxzer: you're basically reinventing e-mail though, and that's kind of a stupid idea. |
| 21:22.23 | harleyg | what a moron. |
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| 21:22.39 | dondelelcaro | harleyg: update-rc.d? |
| 21:22.43 | dvs | harleyg: Wii? How rude! |
| 21:22.53 | dondelelcaro | oh, nevermind... missd dvs's response |
| 21:22.53 | harleyg | dvs, i know him frome lsewhere.. :) |
| 21:23.05 | dvs | harleyg: O I C |
| 21:23.11 | harleyg | hmm |
| 21:23.18 | harleyg | switch.ch seems to be down.. |
| 21:23.33 | harleyg | well on apt-get.. |
| 21:23.35 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: most IM clients? irc (dcc send)? |
| 21:23.38 | dvs | harleyg: *switch* to another mirror. |
| 21:24.03 | {cyborg} | harleyg: I can ping switch.ch |
| 21:24.20 | harleyg | yeah i know.. its just on apt-get.. |
| 21:24.35 | harleyg | DUH i dont setup eth0 on eboot :) |
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| 21:24.42 | harleyg | eboot* |
| 21:24.46 | dvs | !smite harleyg |
| 21:24.46 | harleyg | boot*... |
| 21:24.52 | harleyg | i give up :) |
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| 21:25.58 | NoNaMeNo | well, im trying to crosscompile but I see that i haven't the "i686-linux-gnu", does anybody knows how to make it? |
| 21:26.48 | NoNaMeNo | in debian i only have i486-linux... |
| 21:26.57 | NoNaMeNo | have only* |
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| 21:27.00 | harleyg | done.. |
| 21:27.08 | dvs | harleyg: done what? |
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| 21:27.25 | harleyg | network :) |
| 21:27.40 | dvs | harleyg: then how did you download stuff before? |
| 21:27.51 | harleyg | i rebooted.. |
| 21:28.54 | harleyg | rccond!¬ |
| 21:28.56 | harleyg | rcconf |
| 21:29.01 | harleyg | damn i hate this keyboard ;) |
| 21:29.15 | dvs | harleyg: laptop? |
| 21:29.28 | harleyg | nah spare one, using other on server |
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| 21:30.13 | nvz | if a server needs a keyboard its usually cause its broken |
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| 21:30.32 | harleyg | it doesnt normally have anything but a plug and 2 net cables |
| 21:30.36 | userek | what do i need to install to have xorgconfig and xorgcfg in with modular xorg? |
| 21:30.40 | harleyg | but its been down for a few months... |
| 21:30.51 | harleyg | i fixed it today... geting a new opteron soon anyay :) |
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| 21:31.39 | nvz | I am contemplating buying an xbox to get some use out of my tv.. myself. feels like committing a mortal sin |
| 21:31.59 | harleyg | get xbox + xebian :) |
| 21:32.03 | harleyg | softmod it |
| 21:32.11 | userek | anyone? |
| 21:32.26 | nvz | I will probably just get San Andreas and play it non-stop |
| 21:32.41 | harleyg | nah, not games! |
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| 21:32.49 | harleyg | i got 3 with linux on, awesom |
| 21:32.52 | nvz | I already got computers |
| 21:32.54 | nvz | ffs |
| 21:33.02 | harleyg | xbmc? |
| 21:33.06 | nvz | none of which are much for gaming |
| 21:33.09 | harleyg | n64 emulators? |
| 21:33.19 | harleyg | ps1 emulators? |
| 21:33.27 | harleyg | can get them.. |
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| 21:34.27 | harleyg | got to admit nvz, they are pretty sweet on an xbox :) |
| 21:34.35 | nvz | I still want that damn Libretto u100 but they can be pricy |
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| 21:40.04 | sponzor | what is good |
| 21:40.07 | crazy_penguin | Good night! Sleep well! :) |
| 21:40.10 | sponzor | player for movies? |
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| 21:41.32 | NoNaMeNo | how can i make i686-linux-gnu?? |
| 21:41.36 | NoNaMeNo | does anyobody knows?? |
| 21:41.49 | dvs | NoNaMeNo: We don't even know what you mean |
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| 21:42.15 | NoNaMeNo | allright, i mean i686-linux-gnu-gcc and the others |
| 21:42.17 | tralala | sponzor: mplayer (not in debian) |
| 21:42.18 | ramiroec | Is there a way to change the subtitle font color? mplayer dvd:// -slang en ....... ? |
| 21:42.41 | nvz | heh |
| 21:42.46 | NoNaMeNo | debian comes with i486-linux-gnu..... |
| 21:42.47 | tralala | ramiroec: if compiled with fontconfig you can use the -font option |
| 21:43.05 | tralala | ramiroec: the details are in the fine manual |
| 21:43.17 | ramiroec | tralala : thanks, lets tray |
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| 21:43.32 | nvz | NoNaMeNo: so you are saying you want to waste a lot of time recompiling your whole system for little or no benefit? |
| 21:43.43 | nvz | I think you are looking for #gentoo :P |
| 21:43.48 | lord_rob | :) |
| 21:43.57 | NoNaMeNo | no, I need to crosscompile |
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| 21:44.59 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:45.30 | NoNaMeNo | im using distcc in other pc that is a i686 |
| 21:45.34 | lord_rob | Hi ! Are there known breakages of udev in unstable ? With the latest update of sid, I couln't boot correctly anymore because udev was not working properly (it started with complaining about missing groups/users) |
| 21:45.44 | rares | ok how do i for update-alternatives to just f'in create the alternatives |
| 21:46.04 | NoNaMeNo | and i want to help him with the other pc that its OS is debian |
| 21:46.19 | NoNaMeNo | and i cant coz it has not i686-linux-gnu |
| 21:47.02 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: hm, I'd install a chroot env. with the same distribution like on the first machine. |
| 21:47.25 | NoNaMeNo | mm |
| 21:47.36 | NoNaMeNo | i dont like it :P |
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| 21:47.47 | NoNaMeNo | i prefer to recompile half system |
| 21:47.53 | NoNaMeNo | anyway |
| 21:48.13 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: gentoo might be a better distro for your needs ;-) |
| 21:48.22 | NoNaMeNo | lol |
| 21:48.29 | NoNaMeNo | the other distro has gentoo |
| 21:48.33 | nvz | I've been so long without internet I think I forgot what to do |
| 21:48.46 | rares000 | i can't get update-alternatives to create the inks when there is only one alternative to choose from |
| 21:48.49 | NoNaMeNo | but i want to support that with my debian amd 3.0Ghz |
| 21:49.01 | nvz | I think I am just gonna go back to sleep :P |
| 21:49.02 | NoNaMeNo | :S |
| 21:49.07 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: what's wrong with chroot? |
| 21:49.29 | NoNaMeNo | do i have to do that everytime i want to cross compile ? |
| 21:49.42 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: set it up once and leave it there. |
| 21:49.50 | NoNaMeNo | i dont think its a clean method |
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| 21:50.24 | NoNaMeNo | also, i've never do that b4 :P |
| 21:50.26 | nopcode | tell the guy having 32 bit cpus isnt a clean method |
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| 21:50.56 | NoNaMeNo | .. |
| 21:51.52 | NoNaMeNo | ok.. |
| 21:52.09 | NoNaMeNo | jelly-home: would you like to guide me step by step ? |
| 21:52.12 | NoNaMeNo | :P |
| 21:53.02 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: not for free, sorry. This could be a lengthy procedure. |
| 21:53.02 | sponzor | how to extrakt MPlayer-1.0pre8.tar.bz2 |
| 21:53.03 | sponzor | bz2? |
| 21:53.38 | NoNaMeNo | XD |
| 21:53.43 | NoNaMeNo | allright |
| 21:53.54 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: ask your other distro if there's a simple way to install it in chroot. |
| 21:54.09 | NoNaMeNo | then, any advice, url or something? |
| 21:54.10 | nvz | sponzor: tar -jxvf, have you tried using Marillat's mplayer packages for debian? |
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| 21:54.54 | doschdn | how can i enable smp in the installation? |
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| 21:55.04 | doschdn | do i need to boot in expert mode? |
| 21:55.51 | streuner | doschdn: what version of debian installer do you use? |
| 21:55.57 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: hm. google for "install X in chroot" or "X in chroot", where X is your favourite distro having i686-gnu-linux-cc |
| 21:56.18 | NoNaMeNo | he he.. |
| 21:56.18 | NoNaMeNo | ok |
| 21:56.21 | NoNaMeNo | lot of thanks |
| 21:56.23 | NoNaMeNo | =) |
| 21:56.29 | tacocat | Anyone install lighttpd with FCGI support? |
| 21:56.35 | sponzor | nop |
| 21:56.42 | nvz | ~tell sponzor about marillat |
| 21:56.44 | doschdn | i just downloaded the etch usb stick image with the latest netinstall iso |
| 21:56.48 | nvz | ~tell sponzor about mplayer |
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| 21:56.56 | doschdn | so its probably the newest :) |
| 21:57.06 | doschdn | except sid |
| 21:57.32 | streuner | doschdn: what kernel are you running actually? |
| 21:57.41 | streuner | doschdn: cat /proc/version |
| 21:57.50 | sponzor | ql |
| 21:57.59 | NoNaMeNo | ops, the last fast quiestion, is it difficult to make debian work with 2 videocards 2 monitors 2 kbd and 2 mouse, with differents Xsessions ? |
| 21:59.01 | doschdn | im at the installation screen, i dont run a kernel yet. i know that after installation i can aptitude the smp kernel, but i'd like to know if theres a way to install it from the beginning |
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| 21:59.22 | doschdn | by installation screen i mean the syslinux screen |
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| 21:59.48 | doschdn | sorry for my english, i hope it doesn't sound too funny :| |
| 22:00.06 | streuner | doschdn: sure, newer kernels of debian have smp by default enabled, dunno about the actual kernel in d-i |
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| 22:00.43 | streuner | doschdn: if you have the 2.6.x kernel installed, just grab the /boot/config-2.6.x |
| 22:01.07 | streuner | doschdn: it should tell you is smp enabled or not |
| 22:01.12 | doschdn | ok |
| 22:01.21 | doschdn | ill try, thank you :) |
| 22:01.27 | streuner | np |
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| 22:02.27 | streuner | doschdn: you could also ask in #debian-boot about (OTFC) |
| 22:02.43 | streuner | doschdn: s/OTFC/OFTC/ |
| 22:03.30 | NoNaMeNo | jelly-home: |
| 22:03.34 | NoNaMeNo | i thing i found it |
| 22:03.41 | streuner | doschdn: but anyway, it isn't hard to install a new kernel if the d-i kernel doesn't support smp |
| 22:03.51 | NoNaMeNo | can i paste the url? or I'll be kicked/banned ? |
| 22:04.03 | NoNaMeNo | think* |
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| 22:04.21 | doschdn | streuner: yes, i know, i just thought its possible to install it right from the beginning |
| 22:04.40 | yggdrasil | how can i tell if i compiled serial port support in my kernel ? |
| 22:05.11 | tacocat | I'm trying to install lighttpd with mod_fastcgi or mod_fcgi support, but the debian mod_fcgi keeps pulling in apache... |
| 22:05.16 | tacocat | Any options? |
| 22:05.31 | streuner | yggdrasil: grep the /boot/config-2.x.x |
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| 22:06.44 | yggdrasil | streuner i never lerned how to properly grep |
| 22:07.01 | yggdrasil | :( grep tty /boot/config-2.6.16.4 ? |
| 22:07.09 | doschdn | grep 'what you want to search for' /boot/... |
| 22:07.20 | yggdrasil | tty0 ? |
| 22:07.31 | doschdn | mhhh |
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| 22:07.37 | yggdrasil | yea ? |
| 22:07.47 | doschdn | i dont know the name of the kernel option, but it its tty then it must be uppercase |
| 22:07.53 | doschdn | because every option is uppercase :D |
| 22:08.04 | streuner | grep -i |
| 22:08.17 | doschdn | ok ;) |
| 22:08.29 | yggdrasil | is it tty though ? or |
| 22:09.03 | yggdrasil | its comin back with nothin.. ;( |
| 22:09.27 | yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.32 | doschdn | i dont have any tty line in my config either so it must be something else |
| 22:09.42 | yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 22:09.50 | yggdrasil | serial ? |
| 22:10.01 | doschdn | wait |
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| 22:12.08 | doschdn | yeah, grep for SERIAL |
| 22:12.19 | yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 22:12.27 | yggdrasil | # Non-8250 serial port support |
| 22:12.27 | yggdrasil | ? |
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| 22:13.03 | doschdn | # CONFIG_SERIAL_8250 is not set |
| 22:13.17 | doschdn | you need to grep uppercase or with -i |
| 22:14.59 | yggdrasil | thanks |
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| 22:15.27 | doschdn | np |
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| 22:16.50 | utab_ | can not type in KDE |
| 22:17.26 | utab_ | actually kubuntu but could not find answers on kubuntu, hope for the understanding |
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| 22:17.58 | Eulex | utab_, umh, sorry, but I don't think you'll get any understanding in here. we only do debian. |
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| 22:18.21 | wathek | hello all |
| 22:18.22 | utab_ | Eulex , I am stuck for days |
| 22:18.23 | k-man | how do you configure extra buttons on a mouse? |
| 22:18.35 | utab_ | Eulex thx anyway |
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| 22:18.42 | k-man | like a forward and backaward button for web browsing |
| 22:18.56 | wathek | I'd like to instal debian on my server |
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| 22:19.24 | wathek | is this image http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso all what I need |
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| 22:19.37 | wathek | I can install the other stuff from internet |
| 22:19.41 | streuner | !d-i wathek |
| 22:19.42 | dpkg | wathek, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:20.02 | streuner | wathek: read /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:20.07 | wathek | ok thanx |
| 22:20.37 | wathek | and what's the difference between the 100 MB and 50 MB image ? |
| 22:20.56 | streuner | less packages |
| 22:21.06 | wathek | ah |
| 22:21.15 | wathek | alright gonna download the 100 MB image |
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| 22:22.10 | odla | i'm trying to set proper premissions on cdrecord so that a regular user can run it. however when i've tried the syntax described in the manpage using chmod it doesn't work and i've resorted to using chown. how would i allow a regular user premissions to use cdrecord with chmod? |
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| 22:22.41 | CHodapp | odla, don't you need mode a+s? |
| 22:23.03 | odla | i don't know |
| 22:23.11 | CHodapp | Try it. |
| 22:23.15 | odla | the manpage says to run chmod 4711 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 22:23.17 | odla | but that doesn't work |
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| 22:23.39 | odla | CHodapp: so chmod a+s /usr/bin/cdrecord? |
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| 22:23.44 | Growly | argh |
| 22:23.46 | Growly | not again |
| 22:24.14 | Growly | why do my raid arrays always die? |
| 22:24.23 | war95 | shittty drives? |
| 22:24.26 | war95 | mine been good ;) |
| 22:24.52 | Growly | well if they are shitty drives, why can i never recreate the error? |
| 22:24.58 | Growly | they always crap out during RAID-age |
| 22:25.09 | Growly | debian's been spitting error at me |
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| 22:25.17 | odla | CHodapp: it says premission denied |
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| 22:25.31 | war95 | Growly: what error? |
| 22:26.09 | CHodapp | odla, are you running chmod as root? |
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| 22:26.48 | Growly | war95: additional sense unrecovered read error auto reallocate failed (not exactly, that's what i googled) |
| 22:27.01 | war95 | Growly: what kind of hDD? |
| 22:27.03 | odla | CHodapp: yup |
| 22:27.05 | war95 | Growly: SW raid? |
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| 22:27.14 | war95 | Growly: got an exact error msg? sounds bad btw. |
| 22:27.22 | Growly | Seagate 200gb satas, SW raid 5 |
| 22:27.26 | odla | CHodapp: it allows me to run that command but when i try to run cdrecord as regular user it complains that premission is denised |
| 22:27.30 | odla | permission |
| 22:27.32 | Growly | i thought it might. |
| 22:27.57 | war95 | Growly: hmm |
| 22:28.00 | war95 | Growly: do me a favor? |
| 22:28.09 | Growly | argh, i even came begging for help last time this happened (but have forgotten what i did exactly) |
| 22:28.14 | Growly | yeah? |
| 22:28.18 | war95 | Growly: smartctl -a /dev/hda (or bad disk name) and put it into http://rafb.net/paste |
| 22:28.22 | war95 | as root |
| 22:28.44 | Growly | i don't have smartctl |
| 22:28.48 | Growly | package? |
| 22:28.53 | CHodapp | odla, do you have execute permission for all users on cdrecord? |
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| 22:28.59 | rootest | hi all |
| 22:29.05 | odla | -rws--x--x 1 root cdrom 133 2006-01-07 11:43 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 22:29.12 | rootest | Please help me to change keymap |
| 22:29.12 | war95 | Growly: smartmontools |
| 22:29.18 | Growly | roger roger |
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| 22:29.38 | CHodapp | odla, read permission? |
| 22:29.40 | rootest | Who can help? |
| 22:29.59 | rootest | I have a Debian Sarge 3.1r2 |
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| 22:30.11 | CHodapp | xmodmap |
| 22:30.25 | streuner | dpkg, keymap |
| 22:30.25 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 22:30.32 | Exrai | If I did apt-get install x-window-system gdm kde; id be able to use gdm to launch kde, right?? |
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| 22:30.49 | odla | Exrai: correct |
| 22:30.57 | Exrai | BINGOOO |
| 22:31.07 | Exrai | Gnome in etch looks ugly =[ |
| 22:31.23 | odla | Exrai: well you can change it anyway that you want :) |
| 22:31.25 | murokki | gnome looks ugly |
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| 22:31.36 | Exrai | odla: I did <:{ |
| 22:31.38 | odla | gnome looks ugly and kde looks like windows, run xfce :) |
| 22:31.38 | zinx | murokki: change the theme |
| 22:31.38 | CHodapp | !start a desktop flame war |
| 22:31.42 | murokki | or should i say IS ugly |
| 22:32.02 | Exrai | well I dualboot with windows, so kde will be nice on my eyes |
| 22:32.07 | devanampriyan | any reasons why amd64 causes a kernel panic in certain linux distro's like slackware 10.1 and linux-kernels 2.4.x ? |
| 22:32.11 | war95 | Growly: and update? |
| 22:32.11 | zinx | murokki: sack the HIG |
| 22:32.16 | odla | Exrai: run enlightenment if you like eyecandy |
| 22:32.37 | devanampriyan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.50 | murokki | odla: exactly, xfce ftw :) |
| 22:33.08 | odla | xfce is nice cause it's less bloated than gnome and kde |
| 22:33.11 | Growly | war95 --- getting there |
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| 22:33.26 | Exrai | I can never get used to xfce, or I never seen it as 'my desktop' xD |
| 22:33.37 | war95 | Growly: .... ok |
| 22:33.38 | murokki | odla: yes, and still very customizable |
| 22:33.38 | Exrai | It always just looked like work |
| 22:33.53 | odla | murokki: no doubt |
| 22:34.11 | odla | xfce4.4beta2 is sweet |
| 22:34.18 | CHodapp | XFCE was always slow for me |
| 22:34.29 | Growly | war95: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NDgzg443.html |
| 22:34.32 | murokki | odla: yup |
| 22:34.44 | Exrai | XFCE looks like gnome to me.. xD |
| 22:34.48 | Growly | it's SATA, but none of the smart things ever work |
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| 22:35.02 | war95 | Device does not support SMART |
| 22:35.03 | war95 | wtf |
| 22:35.03 | odla | Exrai: make it not :) |
| 22:35.06 | war95 | Growly: what kernel? |
| 22:35.17 | Growly | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:35.20 | war95 | too old |
| 22:35.25 | war95 | to get SMART data from the drive you need 2.6.15+ |
| 22:36.06 | Growly | ah crap |
| 22:36.09 | war95 | (from sata drives) |
| 22:36.12 | war95 | yup |
| 22:36.20 | Growly | i have far too much to do, this is not going to make me a happy person |
| 22:36.31 | war95 | Growly: apt-et install 2.6.15, reboot |
| 22:36.35 | war95 | Growly: < 15 sec? |
| 22:36.47 | Growly | well i was gonna compile it myself, but i'll do it your way |
| 22:36.56 | Growly | (simply because it's the only forseeable way to be pro) |
| 22:37.09 | war95 | Growly: you didnt compile 2.6.8 so not sure why you would want to compile 2.6.15 |
| 22:37.10 | war95 | + |
| 22:37.24 | Growly | cause i'm a tard |
| 22:37.29 | Exrai | where the hell is gkrellm, its not in my menu and I just installed it |
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| 22:37.39 | Growly | linux-image ? |
| 22:37.41 | odla | Exrai: do you have menu installed? |
| 22:37.50 | Exrai | odla: what |
| 22:37.57 | odla | !menu |
| 22:37.57 | dpkg | hmm... menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 22:38.15 | odla | Exrai: apt-cache policy menu |
| 22:38.22 | Exrai | I dont think so if its a program |
| 22:38.37 | odla | apt-get install menu |
| 22:38.48 | Bry2k200 | Exrai; should be in kmenu-->debian-->tools |
| 22:38.56 | Growly | war95: thanks for the help by the way - is the package linux-image-2.6.15-1-xxx? |
| 22:39.03 | Bry2k200 | if not try starting from terminal then it should show up |
| 22:39.05 | odla | Bry2k200: that's if he/she has menu installed |
| 22:39.11 | war95 | Growly: yup |
| 22:39.22 | Bry2k200 | why would ya not install menu? |
| 22:39.29 | Bry2k200 | err, forgot? |
| 22:39.30 | odla | i don't know :) |
| 22:39.30 | Bry2k200 | lol |
| 22:39.33 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 22:39.35 | odla | i don't have menu installed :) |
| 22:39.46 | Exrai | I tired to start up in twerminal, but it said somehting about gtk+ couldnt start |
| 22:39.46 | Bry2k200 | that's cause yer a pro |
| 22:39.47 | Bry2k200 | :P |
| 22:39.50 | Exrai | tried |
| 22:39.51 | odla | nah |
| 22:40.03 | Bry2k200 | Exrai; type in terminal gkrellm |
| 22:40.12 | me_here | how can i get a clean sysvconfig ? |
| 22:40.15 | Bry2k200 | oh, there might be dependencies that aren't there |
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| 22:40.18 | odla | Exrai: or press alt+F2 and type gkrellm |
| 22:40.20 | Growly | war95: i'll come and bitch whe it's done |
| 22:40.28 | Exrai | bry2k200: I..did |
| 22:40.32 | Bry2k200 | lol |
| 22:40.34 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 22:40.43 | Cooner750 | Why dont themes like this one: http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/1285 Work in Gnome in Sarge? |
| 22:40.54 | Cooner750 | Could it have anything to do with KDE being installed also? |
| 22:41.08 | war95 | Growly: lol, k |
| 22:41.16 | odla | Exrai: if you're running kde why not run superkaramba? |
| 22:41.30 | Bry2k200 | ya i use superkaramba myself |
| 22:41.38 | Exrai | resource hog |
| 22:41.42 | odla | Cooner750: how are you trying to install it? |
| 22:41.44 | Bry2k200 | uses resources but shit that's why we're running debian right? |
| 22:41.45 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 22:41.49 | odla | Cooner750: are you dropping/draggin |
| 22:41.51 | odla | ? |
| 22:42.08 | odla | Exrai: and you're running kde which isn't exactly lite |
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| 22:42.26 | Cooner750 | odla: I am putting it in the /home/conor/.themes folder. And it shows up under Controls under theme details but it wont change |
| 22:43.08 | odla | Cooner750: that's strange...is there anything in the readme? do you need to run .configure, make, make install or should it just be ready to roll? |
| 22:43.17 | odla | ./configure |
| 22:43.22 | Bry2k200 | Exrai; did you look in kmenu __> debian --->tools? |
| 22:43.27 | Exrai | odla: who in this history of chatting said I ran KDE? |
| 22:43.32 | Cooner750 | Does Sarge have GTK 2 installed? or an older version? Could that be it? |
| 22:43.45 | Exrai | Im. not. in. KDE. |
| 22:43.49 | azeem | sarge has both GTK2 and GTK1 |
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| 22:44.04 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
| 22:44.06 | Bry2k200 | Exrai; try applications, debian, tools |
| 22:44.09 | odla | <Exrai> If I did apt-get install x-window-system gdm kde; id be able to use |
| 22:44.09 | odla | gdm to launch kde, right?? |
| 22:44.17 | Cooner750 | I see Sarge has a really old version of Gnome. Can that be upgraded? |
| 22:44.21 | odla | to me that made me think you were in kde |
| 22:44.21 | Exrai | There's no debian in applications.. |
| 22:44.26 | odla | Exrai: apt-get install menu! |
| 22:44.34 | Bry2k200 | ya |
| 22:44.38 | Bry2k200 | do that |
| 22:44.40 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 22:44.45 | Exrai | I will when im IN it |
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| 22:44.56 | odla | that's why you don't have the debian menu that Bry2k200 is talking about |
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| 22:45.17 | Exrai | If menu scres up my menu your getting the whip |
| 22:45.30 | mmiikkee12 | i have a canon bjc-2100 printer that was detected and supposedly set up, but nothing will print to it. any ideas? |
| 22:45.36 | Bry2k200 | Exrai; you can also install kde if ya like |
| 22:45.37 | Bry2k200 | :) |
| 22:45.43 | odla | Exrai: lol |
| 22:45.58 | azeem | Cooner750: not for sarge |
| 22:46.02 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
| 22:46.06 | azeem | Cooner750: wait until the next release is out |
| 22:46.10 | odla | Exrai: what are you running? gnome? |
| 22:46.14 | Cooner750 | how long will that be? |
| 22:46.23 | odla | Exrai: apt-get install menu and then run killall gnome-panel |
| 22:46.23 | azeem | Cooner750: December |
| 22:46.31 | odla | Exrai: and it should add the debian menu |
| 22:46.42 | Cooner750 | On my server machine it has the 2.4 kernel installed, can that be upgraded at all? |
| 22:46.53 | odla | Exrai: i'm presuming that you didn't do a desktop installation during the installation phase and you added gnome later |
| 22:47.04 | azeem | Cooner750: yes, install a 2.6 kernel image |
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| 22:47.51 | Exrai | exrai: yep |
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| 22:48.36 | Exrai | err |
| 22:48.37 | Exrai | odla |
| 22:48.51 | Wolvez | somebody knows apache(virtualhosts) |
| 22:48.52 | Hotwire | anyone have any ideas why realplayer 10 would install find, and connect to a stream fine, but not make any sounsd output? i use etch i386 :) thanks in advance |
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| 22:49.44 | odla | Hotwire: just out of curiousity why not run totem or mplayer for realaudio/realvideo? |
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| 22:50.28 | Hotwire | odla: i didn't know they supported real streams, i would much prefer to use an open source version, thanks for the heads up :) |
| 22:50.29 | rootest | Who is russian? Need help |
| 22:50.59 | cowman | is anyone here knoledgable about thinkpads & debian? |
| 22:51.04 | odla | Hotwire: no problem :) |
| 22:51.10 | odla | Hotwire: i don't know about your problem |
| 22:51.21 | azeem | cowman: that's a way too broad field, please ask specific questions (to the channel) |
| 22:51.26 | odla | Hotwire: you should definitely check out mplayer it's pretty amazing |
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| 22:52.07 | zzsputnik | hihi, kennt sich wer mit den vlcplayer aus |
| 22:52.20 | cowman | well the t43s(my model) have a sata controler, but IDE disk drives. there's a chip that converts it.. |
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| 22:52.43 | Hotwire | odla: i will do :) |
| 22:52.52 | rootest | Who can help me with keymap - please write to private |
| 22:53.10 | cowman | I'm getting /dev/hda3 instead of /dev/sda3 as my / partition. the problem with this is that because of this sata to pata bridge, dma is disabled and I can't turn it on |
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| 22:54.20 | zzsputnik | or does anybody know where i can find out many much Hertz my monitor needs |
| 22:54.25 | zzsputnik | has |
| 22:54.28 | odla | !tell Hotwire about marillat |
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| 22:54.43 | odla | Hotwire: you'll need to add marillat's repositories if you want to install mplayer see the message from dpkg |
| 22:54.49 | cowman | I actually tried the obvious and just changed /dev/hda3 to /dev/sda3 in my /etc/fstab.... well with this the kernel hangs on uniform CDROM driver 3.something |
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| 22:55.03 | cowman | however in single user mode it boots and it shows /dev/sda3 mounted as / |
| 22:55.10 | Bry2k200 | !tell Bry2k200 about marillat |
| 22:55.21 | Growly | ok new question |
| 22:55.25 | Growly | war95? anyone? |
| 22:55.36 | Growly | why, when i reboot into new kernel, does raid array not exist? |
| 22:55.50 | Hotwire | odla: i already have it enabled thanks :) |
| 22:56.29 | odla | Hotwire: :) |
| 22:56.34 | odla | w32codecs? |
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| 22:56.49 | war95 | Growly: hi |
| 22:56.54 | Hotwire | odla: yep :) |
| 22:56.56 | war95 | Growly: It doesnt ?:( |
| 22:57.09 | war95 | Growly: you can still run: smartctl -d ata /dev/sdc |
| 22:57.14 | war95 | Growly: and then put it into a file |
| 22:57.26 | war95 | with the new kernel |
| 22:57.26 | Growly | yup, doing that |
| 22:57.46 | rootest | Who is russian? |
| 22:57.55 | eniac | if I want to set the umask creation mode of 770 I do umask 007 but that gives me a creation mode of 660 (I calculated the 007 value like this 777-770) |
| 22:58.03 | Growly | war95: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HFq1IO55.html |
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| 22:59.11 | war95 | 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 053 076 000 Old_age Always - |
| 22:59.11 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.19 | war95 | Growly: I don't see anything physcailly wrong with the drive |
| 22:59.24 | war95 | Growly: but your hdd is too hot |
| 22:59.27 | war95 | Growly: once it gets to 55-60c |
| 22:59.31 | war95 | Growly: you will have errors |
| 22:59.38 | war95 | wait |
| 22:59.39 | war95 | I take that back |
| 22:59.40 | war95 | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - |
| 22:59.40 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.54 | Growly | war95 - that might explain something |
| 23:00.03 | Growly | i've run them for two years at 65 |
| 23:00.06 | Growly | (all 5) |
| 23:00.11 | war95 | BAD BAD BAD |
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| 23:00.16 | war95 | max they are rated for is 60c |
| 23:00.17 | Growly | why? because i can't afford a case with a hole in it |
| 23:00.38 | war95 | mine are < 32c usually |
| 23:00.38 | war95 | Growly: modify it |
| 23:00.38 | Growly | yeah, the other one's max is 55 |
| 23:00.38 | Growly | can't, no time |
| 23:00.39 | Growly | although i'd love to :) |
| 23:00.40 | craigo | hello all... Running Debian/Etch with KDE 3.5.3. Is there an NTP GUI for KDE to help set up time servers (similar to what is available in Gnome)? |
| 23:00.48 | tam | is thunderbird the only mail client that will forward from a certain template depending on contect of an email? |
| 23:00.49 | Growly | so what i'm going to do is slap it back into the array, and when it's rebuilt i'll turn the damned thing off |
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| 23:01.14 | war95 | Growly: k |
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| 23:02.33 | Hotwire | odla: it doesn't seem to want to work for me for some reason :( |
| 23:02.50 | Growly | http://rafb.net/paste/results/i6faVG38.html |
| 23:03.07 | Growly | war95: you're meant to offer input, or should i rephrase it as a question? :p |
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| 23:03.14 | war95 | Growly: holy fsck |
| 23:03.23 | war95 | Growly: that is horrible |
| 23:03.26 | Growly | yeah, i know, super problem |
| 23:03.34 | war95 | Growly: you might as well just throw them out |
| 23:03.37 | war95 | because you are killing them |
| 23:03.48 | Growly | lies! |
| 23:03.50 | Growly | lies! |
| 23:04.05 | rhadley | Im looking for a list of unstable distribution sources, the ones I've found appear to be old :( |
| 23:04.11 | doschdn | why is there no kernel-source for a 2.6 kernel in the amd64 repository? :| |
| 23:04.26 | Growly | i'm hoping permanent damage isn't too bad |
| 23:04.36 | war95 | Growly: want to see my temps? |
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| 23:04.47 | Growly | war95 -... sure... wait no. |
| 23:04.55 | war95 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/QdQvi383.html |
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| 23:05.58 | Growly | how the hell do you keep 10 hard drives _that_ cool? |
| 23:06.35 | Growly | iirc, i need to mdadm --add /dev/sda ? |
| 23:06.35 | war95 | Growly: 1 fan per 3 HDDs |
| 23:06.38 | war95 | yes |
| 23:06.45 | war95 | mdadm -a /dev/md1 /dev/sda |
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| 23:06.47 | war95 | to hot-add a drive |
| 23:06.56 | war95 | Growly: 80mm-92mm or 120mm |
| 23:07.04 | cowman | any ideasand/or a big case |
| 23:07.06 | war95 | the raptors have a 120mm on them |
| 23:07.09 | cowman | gah |
| 23:07.11 | war95 | keep 28-32c |
| 23:07.13 | cowman | I meant and/or a big case |
| 23:07.26 | war95 | big case is not as good as a smaller one |
| 23:07.28 | war95 | imo |
| 23:07.35 | war95 | also I have 14-15 fans in my mid-tower |
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| 23:08.00 | odla | lol...i just fired up a desktop i have here with kde 3.4 packages from alioth...i must not have updated that sid box in over a year :) |
| 23:08.01 | Growly | war95: omg. you're a god. |
| 23:08.07 | Growly | mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0 |
| 23:08.11 | Growly | LIES |
| 23:08.34 | cowman | http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/yeong_yang_cube_server_case/ <-- this is the case I use. excelent fileserver case |
| 23:09.02 | Growly | who the funk changed my raidtab? |
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| 23:09.23 | war95 | Growly: raidtab?? is this an old install? |
| 23:09.36 | war95 | Growly: most new installs use mdadm.conf and not a raidtab |
| 23:09.38 | Growly | war95 - no, i thought you needed it for --scan? |
| 23:09.46 | Growly | oh. |
| 23:09.47 | Growly | welll |
| 23:09.49 | mmiikkee12 | how do i make a canon bjc-2100 printer work on linux? (connected through usb, i don't have a parallel cable |
| 23:09.51 | war95 | raidtab has been deprecated for several years |
| 23:09.58 | Growly | yeah well i'm a noob, ok? |
| 23:10.30 | war95 | k |
| 23:10.46 | war95 | Growly: so what is the current state of affairs, whats wrong? |
| 23:10.58 | Growly | mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda gives: |
| 23:10.59 | Growly | mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0 |
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| 23:11.43 | war95 | moment |
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| 23:12.13 | lakez | Enabling S.M.A.R.T. for: /dev/sdaunable to fetch IEC (SMART) mode page [unsupported field in scsi command] |
| 23:12.13 | lakez | (failed). |
| 23:12.16 | lakez | Anyone know why ? |
| 23:12.20 | craigo | In Gnome, you can set up clock sync with internet time servers really easily - it's part of the GUI. Is there a similar interface in KDE? I'm running Etch & KDE 3.5.3. |
| 23:12.30 | war95 | Growly: do you remember what partitions you used for /dev/md0? |
| 23:12.37 | Growly | partitions? |
| 23:12.42 | Growly | as in hdd partitions? |
| 23:13.23 | Growly | cd |
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| 23:13.28 | Growly | (oops) |
| 23:13.31 | war95 | the hdd partitions for md0 |
| 23:13.46 | war95 | and does fdisk -l show partition type, fd; raid auto-detect? |
| 23:14.00 | doschdn | does anyone know where i can get a recent kernel-source-2.6 package for etch? :| |
| 23:14.43 | Growly | war95 - uh no - funny story: no drives have a valid partition table, but they worked... |
| 23:14.45 | bws42 | doschdn it's linux-source now |
| 23:14.55 | doschdn | ahh |
| 23:15.02 | bws42 | yeah :P |
| 23:15.08 | doschdn | ok thank you :D |
| 23:15.11 | epsilon | Growly: output of "cat /proc/mdstat"? |
| 23:15.45 | war95 | Growly: very bad.. :x |
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| 23:16.35 | epsilon | Growly: BTW /etc/raidtab isn't used by mdadm anymore |
| 23:17.22 | craigo | doschdn: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.16 |
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| 23:17.53 | Growly | wwsvr02:~# cat /proc/mdstat |
| 23:17.55 | Growly | Personalities : [raid5] |
| 23:17.57 | Growly | md0 : active raid5 sdb[1] sdd[3] sdc[2] |
| 23:17.58 | doschdn | i found it already, but thanks anyway :) |
| 23:17.59 | Growly | 586082688 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [_UUU] |
| 23:18.01 | Growly | unused devices: <none> |
| 23:18.35 | Growly | epsilon : yeah, i've been told off already, like four times :p |
| 23:18.58 | epsilon | sry don't have full backlog |
| 23:19.15 | war95 | hmm |
| 23:19.16 | Growly | epsilon: hah, no it's my bad :) |
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| 23:19.40 | Growly | why can't i add?! i could last time. |
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| 23:19.43 | Growly | waaa. waaaaaaa. |
| 23:19.49 | odlaII | !security updates |
| 23:19.58 | war95 | Growly: mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 23:20.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I'm having trouble with my internet connection, how do I get into the dhcp configuration from a shell? |
| 23:20.08 | Growly | hold on it just worked |
| 23:20.10 | Growly | WHAT THE HELL? |
| 23:20.29 | odlaII | what should my security updates for etch be? |
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| 23:20.38 | Growly | ooooooooh does the array have to be active to add? |
| 23:20.41 | odlaII | i've tried to ask dpkg |
| 23:20.42 | Growly | <-- dumbarse |
| 23:20.52 | Growly | it's a bad day |
| 23:20.53 | epsilon | active? |
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| 23:21.00 | Growly | assembled ? |
| 23:21.01 | Coweater | odlaII: /msg dpkg etch security |
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| 23:21.21 | war95 | Growly: assmebled, yes |
| 23:21.40 | Growly | mine doesn't automagically get it's shit together, so i have to mdadm --assemble each time (on account of the whole wrong-partition-slash-no-partition-at-all thing) |
| 23:21.55 | Growly | ima leave that rebuilding, and then pc off indefinitely |
| 23:22.05 | Growly | war95, epsilon: thanks for the help |
| 23:22.12 | Growly | war95, have an eCookie |
| 23:22.20 | Growly | you guys rock my pants |
| 23:23.10 | epsilon | BTW, is there any way to boost the resync via mdadm? On my box to sync RAID1 run with like 2,5MB/sec |
| 23:23.17 | epsilon | 8h for 80GB |
| 23:23.18 | tuv | cups can print locally only. whenever i try to print remotely i get some sort of printer commands on paper. how can i fix that? |
| 23:23.23 | epsilon | (UDMA is on) |
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| 23:25.19 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I'm having trouble with my internet connection, how do I get into the dhcp configuration from a shell? |
| 23:25.30 | TheDux | what? |
| 23:25.56 | TheDux | have you installed dhcp client? |
| 23:26.08 | TheDux | :o (not a pro at debian but I will try to help you) :) |
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| 23:26.21 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I installed the base system and i didn't have the ethernet cable in, so I skipped it |
| 23:26.33 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is there a way to redo the dhcp auto-configuration? |
| 23:26.41 | odlaII | how about for the etch keys? |
| 23:27.06 | epsilon | what internet connetion od you have? (LAN, ppp, static concection...) |
| 23:27.19 | TheDux | umm ya :o |
| 23:27.23 | epsilon | odlaII: /topic |
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| 23:27.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | LAN |
| 23:27.39 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | auto dhcp NAT router |
| 23:27.49 | epsilon | Silent_Chaos[CAN: and router in LAN? |
| 23:27.55 | TheDux | type dhclient really quick |
| 23:28.00 | TheDux | see what pops out |
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| 23:28.20 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it keeps trying to send packets.. "network down" |
| 23:28.43 | nvz | Silent_Chaos[CAN: check cable and link status? |
| 23:29.05 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | its good |
| 23:29.08 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, ifconfig <if-name> up then dhclient <if-name> |
| 23:29.09 | epsilon | Silent_Chaos[CAN: install Silent_Chaos[CAN |
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| 23:29.23 | epsilon | Silent_Chaos[CAN: install dhcpcd |
| 23:29.41 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I stop the dhclient? |
| 23:29.50 | tuv | C-c |
| 23:30.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks |
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| 23:31.04 | murokki_ | why i can't find mplayer in my repos? |
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| 23:31.17 | nvz | ~tell murokki_ about mplayer |
| 23:31.34 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, what is the if-name? |
| 23:31.34 | tuv | murokki, go to debian-multimedia.org |
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| 23:31.51 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, probably eth0. type ifconfig to see a list |
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| 23:31.56 | epsilon | you mean the name of intercace? |
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| 23:32.43 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | where will it be? |
| 23:32.45 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, it depends on your system/drivers |
| 23:32.54 | epsilon | probably eth0 |
| 23:32.56 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what does "ifconfig" show? |
| 23:33.00 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | the device is eth0 |
| 23:33.07 | tuv | that's it then |
| 23:33.11 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | k |
| 23:33.18 | epsilon | you have probably "lo" and "eth0" sth? |
| 23:33.35 | kreuter | howdy, #debian. is anybody here familiar with PAM's password setting stuff? I'm trying to make it so that I can set passwords for users in passwd/shadow, and also in a postgresql database, but can't figure out how to get the passwd command to keep going after the first module finishes. |
| 23:33.50 | tuv | cups remote printing will driver me crazy :(( |
| 23:34.06 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
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| 23:34.39 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | epsilon, I see lo, but there is no eth0 on the same column |
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| 23:34.43 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what exactly did you type? |
| 23:34.47 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | or anywhere else |
| 23:34.55 | murokki_ | do sarge repos work with etch? |
| 23:35.06 | zzsputnik | when i run vlc or anyother application to show films, i encounter that the picture is very slow or flackering... i hope you understand... i have no idea, what could be the problem, i have debian sarge, installed Ati radeon 9550... |
| 23:35.12 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | ifconfig eth0 up then dhclient eth0 |
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| 23:35.21 | Crell | Hey folks. I'm running a fairly up to date Sid. However, last night I did a routine update/upgrade, which proceeded without errors. Now, the system is not loading my ethernet driver. |
| 23:35.40 | Crell | lspci still lists it, but ifconfig is not showing it. Any idea what could have broken and how to fix it? |
| 23:35.44 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, these are two commands. what does "ifconfig eth0 up" show? |
| 23:35.53 | mmiikkee12 | Crell: try ifconfig -a and lsmod |
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| 23:36.00 | BarryAllen | hi all, im trying to setup ldap support on php of debian... but its failling with no aparent reason... i have php5-ldap package installed... but when i try use ldap function, it reclaims no support of php |
| 23:36.10 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | same thing |
| 23:36.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
| 23:36.24 | azeem | Crell: Crell #383555 |
| 23:36.28 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, does "ifconfig -a" show anything else other than "lo"? |
| 23:36.44 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it shows eth0 |
| 23:36.47 | Crell | mmiikkee12: ifconfig -a shows an eth0 with no IP. ifup eth0 still says unknown interface. |
| 23:36.48 | mmiikkee12 | any idea how to find out what options a package was configured with? |
| 23:36.50 | odla | man that computer is so slow |
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| 23:37.20 | mmiikkee12 | Crell: lsmod show the driver? |
| 23:37.20 | azeem | mmiikkee12: well, poking into the source package works |
| 23:37.27 | azeem | mmiikkee12: lsmod? |
| 23:37.27 | mmiikkee12 | azeem: how do i get that? |
| 23:37.32 | odla | anyone here using gmplayer? i have a question about the GUI? when i put gmplayer in full screen mode i can't get the GUI to go away it sits on top of the movie which is freakin' annoying |
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| 23:37.36 | mmiikkee12 | azeem: list modules |
| 23:37.51 | Crell | mmiikkee12: No, but I think I have it compiled in. |
| 23:38.01 | tuv | odla, alt+tab |
| 23:38.01 | azeem | Crell: /etc/init.d/udev start |
| 23:38.02 | mmiikkee12 | Crell: oh, you compiled your own kernel? |
| 23:38.13 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, ifconfig -a gives me an lo and eth0 |
| 23:38.21 | mmiikkee12 | did you do make modules_install? |
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| 23:38.38 | odla | tuv: thank you so much! that was so damn annoying :) |
| 23:38.48 | nvz | odla: the main gui has a little down arrow on the bottom to make it dissapear (default skin) |
| 23:39.05 | odla | nvz: that down arrow doesn't work |
| 23:39.33 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what is the first line of "ifconfig eth0" output? |
| 23:39.37 | Crell | azeem: That says failed. If I do restart, it gives no errors. I still get no eth0 in ifconfig, though. |
| 23:40.01 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr <MAC ADDRESS> |
| 23:40.23 | azeem | Crell: are you using an initrd with your own kernel? If so, how do you generate it? |
| 23:40.29 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, and still "ifconfig eth0 up" gives an error? |
| 23:40.45 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | nope... |
| 23:40.48 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | o_O |
| 23:40.53 | Exrai | O_o |
| 23:40.56 | Crell | azeem: Um. How do I find out? I do compile my own kernel from vanilla source. |
| 23:41.01 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | did you fix it? |
| 23:41.12 | azeem | Silent_Chaos[CAN: are you using udev usually? |
| 23:41.22 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I dont know what udev is sorry |
| 23:41.30 | azeem | Silent_Chaos[CAN: are you running unstable? |
| 23:41.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I'm just setting this up as a server |
| 23:41.40 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I got the minimal install |
| 23:41.44 | azeem | so it never worked? |
| 23:41.45 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, no error when "ifconfig eth0 up"? |
| 23:41.49 | Crell | udev is the user-space answer to device handling in 2.6, now that the kernel team basically gave up. |
| 23:42.04 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | device or resource busy |
| 23:42.10 | azeem | Crell: do you have initrd files in /boot? |
| 23:42.33 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, try "ifconfig eth0 down" and then "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 23:42.57 | Crell | azeem: Not for the version of the kernel that is actively running. There's one for the older version of the kernel I used a few months ago. |
| 23:42.59 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | same.. device or resource busy |
| 23:43.00 | azeem | Silent_Chaos[CAN: so you just isntalled, and network never worked? |
| 23:43.28 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | during the install i had no ethernet cable to run the auto config for dhcp, so I skipped it |
| 23:43.32 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, do you know which kernel module is your ethernet device driver? |
| 23:43.35 | Crell | Huh. OK, that's odd. |
| 23:43.39 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it hasn't been assigned an ip by my router yet |
| 23:43.41 | Crell | ifup eth0 kept saying nothing found. |
| 23:43.54 | Crell | ifconfig eth0 up gave no error, after which ifconfig DID list eth0. |
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| 23:44.09 | tuv | Crell, do you have an entry for eth0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 23:44.14 | Crell | ifup eth0 still gave an error, but manually running dhclient worked. |
| 23:44.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, is there a command to use to find the module? |
| 23:44.38 | Crell | tuv: No. Which is odd, because I should. |
| 23:44.51 | Crell | It just says lo |
| 23:44.55 | tuv | Crell, that's why ifup is complaining |
| 23:45.11 | Crell | So the last update incorrectly removed the interface entry? Why? :-) |
| 23:45.22 | azeem | Crell: I doubt it removed it |
| 23:45.30 | azeem | Crell: do you have network-manager installed? |
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| 23:45.51 | Crell | I don't believe so. |
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| 23:46.01 | DARKGuy | Greetings :) is there a way to convert MIDI to MP3/WAV? or to make XMMS play MIDIs? :( I donwloaded timidity, but the man page isn't helpful :/ no example either oO |
| 23:46.14 | erudified | Can anyone point me to a guide to setting up a subversion server on Debian? |
| 23:46.22 | azeem | Crell: what timestamp does ls -l report on /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:46.22 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, I have no entries in /etc/network/interfaces, is that bad? |
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| 23:46.59 | Crell | azeem: About 2 am last night, which would be when I did the update/upgrade. |
| 23:47.01 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, that's a future step. if you cannot "ifconfig eth0 up" then interfaces can't do anything for you |
| 23:47.24 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | could it be a driver malfunction? |
| 23:47.46 | azeem | Silent_Chaos[CAN: did network work before? |
| 23:47.55 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | when the computer ran winxp, yes |
| 23:48.10 | azeem | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what network card do you have? |
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| 23:48.13 | Crell | DARKGuy: midi -> mp3/wav, not really. midi is essentially sheet music, not actual audio. I suppose you could play the midi file out into a loopback and record it, but that's sloppy. |
| 23:48.16 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | inboard |
| 23:48.17 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, it's probably a good idea to reload the driver, provided you know what it is. otherwise a reboot could achieve the same purpose |
| 23:48.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | on* |
| 23:48.57 | DARKGuy | Crell: damn :(... well alright, thanks anyways |
| 23:49.00 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, does "lsmod | grep e100" show any output? |
| 23:49.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I'll check when it finishes rebooting |
| 23:49.21 | Exrai | 'upgrades'.. |
| 23:49.22 | odlaII | sid 2005 to etch current |
| 23:50.05 | odlaII | Exrai: did you get gkrellm working? |
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| 23:50.10 | Exrai | YESUM |
| 23:50.14 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, once it boots up again, try "ifconfig". if eth0 is not listed then try "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 23:50.20 | odlaII | Exrai: did you install menu :) |
| 23:50.25 | Exrai | no sir |
| 23:50.29 | Crell | azeem: So should I just re-enter eth0 info in interfaces? That seems sloppy to me. |
| 23:50.47 | Exrai | ./gkgtkpatch --/home/xri/gkrellm-.bin |
| 23:50.49 | Exrai | =D |
| 23:51.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, lsmod | grep e100 returned nothing |
| 23:51.23 | Exrai | ./gkrellm |
| 23:51.23 | azeem | Crell: run "grep interfaces /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" please, and paste the output to paste.debian.net |
| 23:51.27 | Exrai | And kablamooo |
| 23:51.39 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, how about "lsmod | grep 8139" |
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| 23:52.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | 8139too 12328 0 |
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| 23:52.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | mii 1952 0 [.... |
| 23:52.32 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, good.. that's your driver |
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| 23:52.40 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, 8139too |
| 23:52.49 | Crell | azeem: Um, grep is complaining that the argument list is too long. :-) |
| 23:52.50 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | ok, how do I reinstall it? |
| 23:52.59 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I dont think it's working quite right |
| 23:53.18 | azeem | Crell: then do "grep interfaces /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst" |
| 23:54.27 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, since you rebooted, there is no need to reinstall |
| 23:54.56 | Crell | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/11221 |
| 23:54.59 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | ok, so how do I do the auto dhcp configuration? |
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| 23:55.03 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, now try "ifconfig". if eth0 is not listed then try "ifconfig eth0 up" |
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| 23:55.37 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | device or resource busy (second cmd) |
| 23:55.50 | azeem | Crell: check /var/log/dpkg.log whether etherconf got updated at the same time ifupdown got written |
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| 23:56.22 | Crell | Yep, it did./ |
| 23:56.37 | Crell | And checking now, it looks like there's a new version in the archive already. |
| 23:56.52 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, try "modprobe -r 8139too" then "modprobe 8139too" |
| 23:57.02 | Crell | I suppose another upgrade is in order. |
| 23:57.26 | tuv | cups can print locally only. whenever i try to print remotely i get some sort of printer commands on paper. how can i fix that? |
| 23:57.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.29 |
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| 23:57.45 | azeem | Crell: do you have /etc/network/interfaces*dpkg files? |
| 23:57.50 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at.... |
| 23:58.04 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | (second command again) |
| 23:59.39 | Crell | Just one, .dpkg-new |
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| 23:59.58 | azeem | Crell: see whether that is a backup of your old one |
