| 00:00.54 | Crell | Empty, actually. The pre-etherconf file has it, though. |
| 00:00.54 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is there a way to return to the original installation configuration for the base system? |
| 00:01.04 | odlaII | how do i remove gnome? the way that dpkg tells me doesn't remove gnome at all :p |
| 00:01.06 | Crell | Hang on, I just upgraded etherconf. Let me reboot and see what happens. |
| 00:01.16 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, it won't make any difference. if it fails now it will fail then |
| 00:01.28 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what does "dhclient eth0" show? |
| 00:01.51 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | network is down |
| 00:02.25 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, and "ifconfig eth0 up" still says resource busy after the two modprobe commands? |
| 00:02.44 | Bry2k200 | ahh crap, i just did updates and can't connect |
| 00:02.45 | Bry2k200 | :/ |
| 00:02.50 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | yes |
| 00:03.01 | Bry2k200 | how did ya gents fix the last guy that had this prob? |
| 00:03.39 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, could I be having the same problem as these guys? |
| 00:04.13 | Bry2k200 | guess i shoulda been paying attention in class |
| 00:04.13 | Bry2k200 | :P |
| 00:04.28 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what guys? |
| 00:04.31 | Bry2k200 | me |
| 00:04.47 | Bry2k200 | i did updates and now my inet won't connect |
| 00:04.49 | Bry2k200 | :/ |
| 00:05.14 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | should I reinstall with an earlier version... or get ubuntu server? |
| 00:05.15 | tuv | Bry2k200, what happens when you do "ifconfig eth0 up"? |
| 00:05.21 | Bry2k200 | no errors |
| 00:05.26 | Bry2k200 | just jumps to next line |
| 00:05.32 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, it's not as your problem |
| 00:05.46 | tuv | Bry2k200, what's your problem then? |
| 00:05.47 | azeem | Bry2k200: are you running unstable and are using stock Debian kernels? |
| 00:05.54 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is my problem worse? ^_^ |
| 00:05.57 | Bry2k200 | ya |
| 00:06.02 | Bry2k200 | running unstable |
| 00:06.03 | Bry2k200 | etch |
| 00:06.05 | multi_io | what would be a recommendable caching DNS nameserver for a small LAN? |
| 00:06.09 | azeem | eh, etch is testing |
| 00:06.17 | Bry2k200 | ya |
| 00:06.18 | azeem | Bry2k200: ps ax | grep udev, does that return udevd? |
| 00:06.21 | Bry2k200 | that's what i meant |
| 00:06.21 | Bry2k200 | :P |
| 00:06.27 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, right now i have no explanation to the phenomenon exhibited by your machine :/ |
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| 00:07.41 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | wow... that's like hearing your psychiatrist say "that's really messed up" |
| 00:07.47 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, can you see any "eth0" in your logs: dmesg, syslog, messages...etc.? |
| 00:08.02 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | where are my logs |
| 00:08.05 | Bry2k200 | 11160 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep udev |
| 00:08.07 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, thnaks but i'm no psychiatrist |
| 00:08.09 | Bry2k200 | err, undev |
| 00:08.16 | azeem | undev? |
| 00:08.20 | Bry2k200 | yes |
| 00:08.41 | azeem | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 00:08.51 | Bry2k200 | that's what it said |
| 00:09.00 | Bry2k200 | [7:06pm] <azeem> Bry2k200: ps ax | grep udev, does that return udevd? |
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| 00:09.11 | azeem | I don't see undev in there |
| 00:09.12 | Bry2k200 | oops |
| 00:09.14 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, could you paste the output of "ifconfig eth0" somewhere? |
| 00:09.15 | Bry2k200 | my bad |
| 00:09.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | in a pm? |
| 00:09.40 | Bry2k200 | ya it does azeem |
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| 00:09.46 | azeem | does what? |
| 00:09.54 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, that's ok |
| 00:10.00 | Bry2k200 | lol |
| 00:10.04 | Bry2k200 | ok here goes |
| 00:11.24 | Bry2k200 | 1533? D< 0:00 /lib/udev/ata_id --export /dev/.tmp-22-64 |
| 00:11.47 | Bry2k200 | 1881? S<s 0:00 udevd --daemon |
| 00:11.51 | azeem | ok |
| 00:12.03 | Bry2k200 | that all ya need? |
| 00:12.14 | azeem | Bry2k200: what does "dpkg -l klibc-utils | tail -1" say? |
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| 00:12.50 | Crell | azeem: Looks like the upgraded etherconf fixed it. |
| 00:12.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I pmd you tuv |
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| 00:13.10 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, i got nothing! |
| 00:13.19 | Crell | Now to figure out why fonts got weird at the same time. :-) |
| 00:13.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | are you registered? |
| 00:13.30 | azeem | Silent_Chaos[CAN: you aren't |
| 00:13.30 | Bry2k200 | ii klibc-utils 1.4.19-1 small statically-linked utilities built with klibc |
| 00:13.34 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | am I registered?? |
| 00:13.37 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | :O |
| 00:13.54 | azeem | Bry2k200: hrm, ok |
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| 00:13.59 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, you don't seem to be. you can use pastebin.ca |
| 00:14.35 | azeem | Bry2k200: is /etc/network/interfaces looking ok? |
| 00:15.03 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | http://pastebin.ca/139482 |
| 00:15.09 | harleyg | chow, thanks again |
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| 00:15.28 | Bry2k200 | hrmm |
| 00:15.32 | Bry2k200 | permission denied? |
| 00:15.34 | Bry2k200 | i'm root |
| 00:15.41 | azeem | uhm |
| 00:15.54 | azeem | what does ls -l /etc/network/interfaces say? |
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| 00:17.01 | Bry2k200 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 277 2006-08-17 14:09 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:17.25 | azeem | and e.g. cat does not work? |
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| 00:17.37 | Bry2k200 | cat? |
| 00:17.52 | azeem | Bry2k200: how did you try to access it? |
| 00:17.58 | Bry2k200 | terminal |
| 00:18.03 | azeem | how? |
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| 00:18.18 | Bry2k200 | konsole |
| 00:18.25 | Bry2k200 | as root |
| 00:18.37 | azeem | Bry2k200: you cannot run text files |
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| 00:18.41 | azeem | only programs or scripts |
| 00:18.48 | azeem | Bry2k200: run "cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 00:19.19 | Bry2k200 | k |
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| 00:19.30 | azeem | does it mention ethß |
| 00:19.34 | azeem | eth0? |
| 00:19.53 | Bry2k200 | nope |
| 00:19.56 | Bry2k200 | oh |
| 00:19.56 | nopcode | ok i have isolated a problem now |
| 00:19.59 | Bry2k200 | yes |
| 00:20.08 | nopcode | i'm booting a kernel with root=/dev/sda3 |
| 00:20.18 | nopcode | but it somehow seems to use /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:20.20 | azeem | Bry2k200: what network card do you have? |
| 00:20.23 | nopcode | which is were i copied the root-fs from |
| 00:20.26 | nopcode | any ideas? |
| 00:20.30 | JordiGH | I'm switching this old computer from apt-get to aptitude, and performing a massive dist-upgrade. Aptitude has given me a report about what it's planning to do. Offhand, I can't see anything wrong with its solution, but I'm not used to aptitude yet. Can someone have a look over aptitude's output and make sure it's not trying to do something crazy? Thanks: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/aptitude-sez |
| 00:20.32 | Bry2k200 | jesus i can't remember |
| 00:20.39 | Bry2k200 | can't remember the command to find it either |
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| 00:21.23 | azeem | Bry2k200: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say as version number? |
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| 00:21.44 | gmak | hello debbers |
| 00:21.53 | nopcode | azeem: do you happen to have any idea why my debian doesnt respect the root=/dev/sda3 as kernel argument and still mounts /dev/sdb1? |
| 00:22.02 | azeem | no |
| 00:22.12 | nopcode | azeem: i've copied the whole root-fs from /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sda3 |
| 00:22.19 | nopcode | its a stock kernel with initrd |
| 00:22.20 | nopcode | ok |
| 00:22.24 | pickcoder | nopcode: which boot loader are you using |
| 00:22.28 | nopcode | pickcoder: grub |
| 00:22.28 | Bry2k200 | ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared Libraries |
| 00:23.01 | pickcoder | nopcode: did you re-run "grub install" ? |
| 00:23.01 | azeem | Bry2k200: sorry, I'm out of ideas |
| 00:23.01 | nopcode | pickcoder: no |
| 00:23.02 | nopcode | # cat /proc/cmdline |
| 00:23.02 | nopcode | root=/dev/sda3 ro noapic quiet splash |
| 00:23.11 | Bry2k200 | well that's no good |
| 00:23.13 | nopcode | but this is enough to show that the bootloader is working correctly isnt it |
| 00:23.26 | nopcode | /dev/sda3 is the root fs i want it to use |
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| 00:23.34 | azeem | nopcode: did you edit /etc/fstab? |
| 00:23.42 | nopcode | azeem: yeah... the one on /dev/sda3 that is |
| 00:23.57 | nopcode | so i have two copies of the root-fs each one having a fstab with itself as root-fs |
| 00:24.08 | nopcode | so i can use the still working source of the copy as backup |
| 00:24.31 | Bry2k200 | azeem; whatever ya did it worked |
| 00:24.37 | Bry2k200 | inet is up |
| 00:24.52 | nopcode | azeem: i'm thinking if its maybe encoded in the initrd |
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| 00:25.29 | pickcoder | nopcode: run "grub install" |
| 00:25.46 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv? |
| 00:25.51 | nopcode | pickcoder: why? its obviously passing the right argument |
| 00:26.01 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | http://pastebin.ca/139482 |
| 00:26.12 | nopcode | pickcoder: i did do grub-install before making the change in menu.lst |
| 00:26.14 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, this post seems relevant. at least now we know what we are up against :) |
| 00:26.18 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/realtek/2002-June/001363.html |
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| 00:26.21 | nopcode | pickcoder: to upgrade it |
| 00:26.45 | JordiGH | It looks like aptitude foresees the needs for "apt-get -f install" commands and gives solution for them before they begin. If so, I'm impressed. |
| 00:26.51 | pickcoder | init isn't getting the root parameter |
| 00:26.57 | nopcode | pickcoder: well but the kernel is |
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| 00:27.06 | nopcode | # cat /proc/cmdline |
| 00:27.07 | nopcode | root=/dev/sda3 ro noapic quiet splash |
| 00:27.15 | nopcode | this is correct |
| 00:27.38 | nopcode | but somewhere along the booting process the root-fs changes |
| 00:27.43 | nopcode | i suspect the initrd that came with the kernel |
| 00:28.07 | pickcoder | nopcode: then rebuild the initrd with the kernel you want to use |
| 00:28.29 | nopcode | pickcoder: if that uses the current /, it'll be wrong again |
| 00:28.55 | pickcoder | nopcode: then boot from a rescue floppy and mount your new root partition |
| 00:29.40 | nopcode | pickcoder: cant |
| 00:29.42 | nopcode | its a remote server |
| 00:29.51 | nopcode | that's why i'm so careful about doing grub-install etc.. |
| 00:29.53 | JordiGH | Alrighty... what the hell.. I'm taking the plunge. Do your worst, aptitude. |
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| 00:30.20 | odlaII | any recommendations on a light weight wm? i'm giving my computer away to someone who is newbie and kde and gnome run so slow on it |
| 00:30.31 | odlaII | oh a lightweight wm for a newbie :) |
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| 00:30.41 | JordiGH | odla,: xfce |
| 00:30.50 | nopcode | fvwm2 |
| 00:30.54 | odlaII | i'm thinking more like iceewm or something |
| 00:31.02 | ZMorek | exactly how big is gnome? |
| 00:31.11 | dondelelcaro | ZMorek: depends how much of it you install |
| 00:31.14 | odlaII | fvwm2...that's kinda difficult without the themes...too much configuration :) |
| 00:31.25 | JordiGH | ZMorek: "GNOME" is ill-defined. Do you think stuff like Abiword is part of GNOME or not? |
| 00:31.33 | ZMorek | well I would assume a newbie would do quite well with gnome as a wm |
| 00:31.44 | odlaII | but gnome is fat |
| 00:31.49 | odlaII | and so is kde |
| 00:31.56 | odlaII | xfce is even too fat for this computer :) |
| 00:32.03 | ZMorek | odlaII: how small is your harddrive? |
| 00:32.11 | JordiGH | odlaII: Jesus, what is it, a 386? |
| 00:32.12 | odlaII | ~ 8 GB |
| 00:32.15 | odlaII | but it's the ram |
| 00:32.24 | JordiGH | odlaII: How much ram? |
| 00:32.39 | odlaII | i'm not sure...but it takes about 5 minutes to boot to kdm |
| 00:32.47 | nopcode | its not like gnome does anything better than fvwm2 |
| 00:32.57 | ZMorek | odlaII: print him off a manual for bash and tell him to have fun, windows are for the weak |
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| 00:33.13 | odlaII | ok i'll install ratpoison for him and emacs :) |
| 00:33.20 | pickcoder | nopcode: what does your menu.lst look like? |
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| 00:33.31 | dondelelcaro | odlaII: if that's what you want, try ion3 instead. |
| 00:33.39 | JordiGH | odlaII: My computer takes about as long to boot to KDM. I've never actually timed, it though. Once it's up and running, it works at a reasonable speed. I'm using KDE right now on a 233 MHz Pentium II machine. |
| 00:33.54 | odlaII | dondelelcaro: is ion3 intuitive? cause i was joking about ratpoison... |
| 00:34.02 | JordiGH | odlaII: But admittedly, I did go to the computer junkyard to scrap more ram for my computer. I have about 200 megs of ram. |
| 00:34.17 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, am i doomed? |
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| 00:34.34 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, looking into it ;) |
| 00:34.53 | dondelelcaro | odlaII: no idea. It works, thoughl |
| 00:35.11 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, your network card is built-in or on pci card? |
| 00:35.52 | JordiGH | Er, how can I configure APT to remove .debs as it installs them? |
| 00:35.54 | JordiGH | aptitude |
| 00:35.55 | JordiGH | that is. |
| 00:36.39 | odla | JordiGH: do you mean so that it automatically runs apt-get clean after finishing? |
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| 00:36.55 | JordiGH | odla: No, that as soon as it runs dpkg -i, it removes the .deb right afterwards. |
| 00:36.55 | karsten | Is there a good way to install the Firefox Flash plugin in such a way that it's neither in my user-specific directory nor in /usr/lib/firefox? /usr/share/lib/firefox would be OK, don't know if that's searched by default. |
| 00:37.17 | DaBlade | karsten: Perhaps with GNU's Gnash flash player. |
| 00:37.24 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks tuv, :) |
| 00:37.31 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Is Gnash ready for use? |
| 00:37.33 | karsten | DaBlade: That's NRFPT. |
| 00:37.34 | odla | DaBlade: have you tried gnash? |
| 00:38.06 | DaBlade | I have |
| 00:38.09 | DaBlade | It's very unstable |
| 00:38.11 | DaBlade | But works |
| 00:38.15 | odla | ah |
| 00:38.22 | karsten | DaBlade: as I said: NRFPT. |
| 00:38.22 | DaBlade | Very modest sound support |
| 00:38.32 | DaBlade | karsten: What does that acronym mean? |
| 00:38.37 | karsten | !nrftp |
| 00:38.42 | karsten | !nrfpt |
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| 00:39.15 | karsten | !nrfpt |
| 00:39.15 | dpkg | it has been said that nrfpt is not ready for prime time. |
| 00:39.16 | karsten | ;-) |
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| 00:39.44 | strange_stone | Hello |
| 00:39.55 | karsten | JordiGH: /? |
| 00:40.00 | JordiGH | Er, sorry. Wrong channel for the joke. |
| 00:40.02 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what kernel are you using? |
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| 00:40.53 | JordiGH | So it's not possible to remove .debs right after dpkg installs them? |
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| 00:41.34 | tuv | JordiGH, sure it is |
| 00:41.54 | JordiGH | tuv: I can't find how to do it in the aptitude documentation. :-/ |
| 00:41.56 | epsilon | .deb or the installation? |
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| 00:42.17 | tuv | JordiGH, apt-get clean will delete all .deb files cached in your machine |
| 00:42.24 | epsilon | apt-get clean (does aptitude use the same dir?) |
| 00:42.25 | JordiGH | epsilon: just the .deb. I'm doing a massive dist-upgrade, and I don't have enough hard disk space to keep the .debs as I'm installing. |
| 00:42.37 | disposable | i installed win2k on /dev/hda2. then xp on /dev/hda6. then i reran "grub-install /dev/hda". grub is now in MBR but the problem is that if i now erase /dev/hda2, i will not be able to boot XP thru chainloading /dev/hda6. apparently XP just added itself into w2k's boot menu and cannot boot independently. how do i make XP bootable on its own? i don't know the windows terminology so nobody at #windows understands what i'm a |
| 00:42.37 | disposable | sking. |
| 00:42.49 | tuv | JordiGH, and apt-get autoclean will delete all but the .debs still installed on the system |
| 00:42.51 | JordiGH | tuv: No, what I mean is that I want the .deb to go away *immediately* after it runs the dpkg -i command. |
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| 00:43.09 | JordiGH | it=aptitude |
| 00:43.14 | tuv | JordiGH, rm can do that i guess |
| 00:43.20 | nopcode | pickcoder: i gunzipped the initrd and edited it in emacs... lets see :> |
| 00:43.21 | JordiGH | tuv: Uh, automatically? |
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| 00:43.38 | bbelt16ag | hi |
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| 00:43.44 | tuv | JordiGH, are you using dpkg or aptitude? |
| 00:43.52 | bbelt16ag | anyone familar with the config file for icecast2? |
| 00:43.58 | JordiGH | tuv: aptitude is a front-end to dpkg, so both. :-) |
| 00:44.06 | bbelt16ag | i am not getting any response on the icecast channel or the xml channel |
| 00:44.26 | epsilon | JordiGH: can't you just write a shellscript? get a list of package to install. install per script package for package and every each instal delete the packages |
| 00:44.32 | bbelt16ag | i am getting errors in the config file after i followed the icecast server setup manual |
| 00:44.52 | tuv | JordiGH, if you're using aptitude then the .debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives, and you can do "aptitude install xyz; aptitude clean" |
| 00:44.54 | JordiGH | tuv: I suppose that what I can do is wait for aptitude to complain about not having space, clean with aptitude autoclean, and then issue the dist-upgrade command again. |
| 00:45.12 | JordiGH | tuv: I'm doing a dist-upgrade. There's about 1000 packages that are going to be installed. |
| 00:45.28 | JordiGH | epsilon: Writing a shell script? Why? Aptitude is already written. |
| 00:45.38 | tuv | JordiGH, hmm.. i see. so you want the debs to be installed and removed one by one? |
| 00:45.49 | JordiGH | tuv: That's what I'm hoping for, yes. |
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| 00:46.08 | epsilon | JordiGH: and you don't have space even outside /var? |
| 00:46.14 | pickcoder | JordiGH: do you have a USB flash drive or USB HDD? |
| 00:46.16 | epsilon | even you install 1000 packages? |
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| 00:46.59 | JordiGH | epsilon: I suppose I have space in the swap partition. Would you like me to repartition my hard drive? :-) |
| 00:47.29 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, is this a common problem? |
| 00:47.33 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I have a small usb flash drive. If my calculations are correct, even plus the USB, I still won't have enough space. |
| 00:47.34 | epsilon | <yoda>strange boy you have...</yoda> |
| 00:47.42 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what kernel are you using? |
| 00:47.46 | pickcoder | JordiGH: then you're SOL |
| 00:48.06 | pickcoder | JordiGH: tar/gzip some of your usr filesystem |
| 00:48.10 | epsilon | *box |
| 00:48.12 | JordiGH | Ah, well... it's going to be a wiiiiiiild night. |
| 00:48.16 | pickcoder | JordiGH: until you get the upgrade done |
| 00:48.27 | JordiGH | epsilon: Not strange... just old. 4 gig hard drive. |
| 00:48.56 | pickcoder | JordiGH: scrounging for space is always fun for upgrades |
| 00:48.59 | pickcoder | :P |
| 00:49.01 | odlaII | tuv: well do you want to come over and upgrade sid that i last updated in august 2005 to the current etch? |
| 00:49.06 | odlaII | :-) |
| 00:49.08 | JordiGH | Y'know, it won't be about three more hours until I run out of space. We can just postpone this problem until it happens. |
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| 00:49.23 | tuv | odlaII, i'd love to :) |
| 00:49.31 | odlaII | :D |
| 00:49.36 | pickcoder | JordiGH: how much swap do you have? |
| 00:49.49 | JordiGH | pickcoder: 200 megs. I probably could halve that. |
| 00:50.04 | odlaII | i'm giving this computer away and i felt it was my responsibility to a) not giving a newbie sid and b) to have it updated |
| 00:50.07 | epsilon | JordiGH: you even don't have some free disc in LAN via NFS? |
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| 00:50.39 | JordiGH | epsilon: Nope, home machine. Fred Flintstone has a larger rockdrive than I do. |
| 00:50.58 | bbelt16ag | GRRRR |
| 00:51.01 | bbelt16ag | this is not fair |
| 00:51.44 | JordiGH | epsilon: I really thought there was flag for aptitude to remove .deb files one by one as it was done with them. Ah, well. This is going to be fun. :-) |
| 00:51.48 | odlaII | i'm always amazed at the trials and tribulations debian users have...cause i basically installed debian 1.5 years ago and 'it just worked' as the ubuntu folks say :) |
| 00:52.07 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what's the output of "cat /proc/version"? |
| 00:52.12 | pickcoder | JordiGH: If you need to offload some stuff, I'll give you an SCP quota on my server |
| 00:52.17 | JordiGH | odlaII: Oh, my Debian works fine. I'm using it right now. :-) |
| 00:52.32 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I can give you about 6GB |
| 00:53.04 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Heh, thanks. I already have sftp access in several places in the world, but my .mx connection isn't the speediest. It's going to take me 4.5 hours to download 800 megs. :-) |
| 00:53.12 | tuv | JordiGH, i suppose an on demand aptitude clean is a good policy |
| 00:53.12 | nopcode | when making an initrd, can i tell it which root-device to use? |
| 00:53.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | linux version 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:54.07 | pickcoder | nopcode: -r rootpath |
| 00:54.09 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, i think a 2.6 kernel will resolve your problem |
| 00:54.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | :O |
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| 00:54.26 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | and how would I get that? |
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| 00:54.49 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, there is probably another solution for this 2.4 kernel, but i don't know about it |
| 00:55.00 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | oh well, I just want it to work |
| 00:55.06 | nopcode | pickcoder: ah ok |
| 00:55.18 | wireddd | I just got a usb data cable for my cell phone, and I was wondering if I there was a way that I could get it to work with linux? |
| 00:55.18 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, can you access the web from your debian box? |
| 00:55.29 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | that's the problem! ^^ |
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| 00:55.42 | JordiGH | Silent_Chaos[CAN: apt-cache search linux-kernel and pick the one you like from the list. aptitude install it. |
| 00:55.44 | pstickne_ | !sysv |
| 00:55.44 | dpkg | sysv is probably dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 00:55.45 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | can I replace the kernel in my iso.. its on an rw so it'd be easy... |
| 00:56.06 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | and do a reinstall |
| 00:56.14 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, actually all you need to do is get a 2.6 kernel deb there. you can downloaded into another machine and some how move it there using a disk/flash/...etc. or reinstall |
| 00:56.18 | JordiGH | Wow. Why is sysvinit so evil? |
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| 00:56.24 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | or would it be easier to quickly install a pci ethernet card |
| 00:56.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | temporarily |
| 00:56.31 | nopcode | pickcoder: will it use the root fs from fstab otherwise? |
| 00:56.31 | pstickne_ | !config sysv |
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| 00:56.35 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, the debian-installer iso has both kernels |
| 00:56.48 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | what is the command to upgrade the kernel? |
| 00:56.58 | pickcoder | nocode: you can also edit /etc/mkinitird/mkinitrd.conf and change the ROOT param from "probe" to whatever your destined root dev is |
| 00:57.01 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, just hit f1 at the boot prompt when you boot off the installer cd and look for kenrel options |
| 00:57.01 | JordiGH | Silent_Chaos[CAN: aptitude install kernel-name |
| 00:57.06 | odlaII | apt-get install <your favorite kerne> |
| 00:57.21 | pickcoder | nocopde then rebuild the initd for the kernel you want |
| 00:57.21 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, is it a sarge cd you're using? |
| 00:57.22 | nopcode | pickcoder: ok. but i think when it installed the initrd it didnt use mkinitrd but something else.. possible? |
| 00:57.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | odlaII, its awfully hard to apt-get without an internet connection.. :) |
| 00:57.35 | tuv | JordiGH, his debian box is off-line |
| 00:57.38 | pstickne_ | what's the program to nicely play with sysv from a shell? |
| 00:57.45 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 00:57.47 | odlaII | Silent_Chaos[CAN: do you have a cd? |
| 00:57.52 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | aye |
| 00:57.54 | pickcoder | nopcode: if you installed a binary packge, then the initrd is probably set to probe the root fs |
| 00:57.55 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | minimal install |
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| 00:58.07 | odlaII | Silent_Chaos[CAN: you're on the internet why not just d/l the kernel and use dpkg to install it? |
| 00:58.18 | pat__ | hello y t il un français içi merci |
| 00:58.18 | nopcode | pickcoder: i think it built the initrd when installing the kernel image |
| 00:58.28 | odlaII | !french |
| 00:58.28 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:58.29 | pickcoder | nopcode: <warning>I'm not an initd expert </warning> |
| 00:58.32 | pickcoder | <G> |
| 00:58.35 | nopcode | pickcoder: =) |
| 00:58.39 | pickcoder | s/initd/initrd; |
| 00:59.20 | pat__ | merci mais je ne peut joindre ce cana il me demande un pass |
| 00:59.22 | odlaII | why does every kde app have to start with a 'k' |
| 00:59.28 | odlaII | !french |
| 00:59.28 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:59.29 | JordiGH | pat__: Eh? |
| 00:59.33 | pstickne_ | odlaII, because it's kool. |
| 00:59.39 | odlaII | or krap |
| 00:59.42 | pstickne_ | hehe |
| 00:59.45 | odlaII | ;) |
| 00:59.58 | JordiGH | pat__,: C'est pas vrai. Je viens d'entrer a ce canal. |
| 01:00.13 | odlaII | i think it's a good project just not for me |
| 01:00.31 | JordiGH | pat__: Il m'a rien demand?. Mais peut-?tre que tu dois enregistrer ton nick avec nickserv? |
| 01:00.39 | odlaII | !french |
| 01:00.39 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:00.45 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I download the kernel from cmd line? |
| 01:01.17 | odlaII | Silent_Chaos[CAN: use wget -c <url> |
| 01:01.34 | ZMorek | google? |
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| 01:01.56 | JordiGH | odlaII: Yeah, yeah, I get it. Go elsewhere for French. But pat__: was complaining that he or she couldn't go to #debian-fr because it was asking him or her for a password. |
| 01:01.56 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | what is the url I need? |
| 01:02.08 | pat__ | JordiGH pfff moi aussi mais nikserver register pui nickser identifu mas je n y arrive pas |
| 01:02.09 | odlaII | JordiGH: oh i see :) |
| 01:02.18 | nopcode | mkinitrd -r /dev/sda3 -o initrd.img-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8 `uname -r` |
| 01:02.19 | nopcode | dpkg: warning, architecture `amd64' not in remapping table |
| 01:02.20 | odlaII | JordiGH: are they registered? |
| 01:02.22 | nopcode | it didnt output a file? |
| 01:02.33 | nopcode | pickcoder: where does mkinitrd place its output? ;) |
| 01:03.08 | JordiGH | odlaII: I don't think nickserv has French instructions for registering. I forgot what the commands are, and pat__: just said that he or she tried registering, but it didn't work. |
| 01:03.14 | Mportnoy | anyone can help me with an nvidia 6600 pci dual wide screen monitors 19 AOC LW98 at 1440x900 resolutions it does not detect it like a wide screen monitor 1440x900 H:56 V:60 |
| 01:03.43 | pat__ | JordiGH merci je vais ressayer |
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| 01:04.35 | pat__ | JordiGH mais pour etre libre c 'est dommage tout ça |
| 01:04.55 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | can i download a compiled 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:05.03 | JordiGH | pat__: Desol?. Il y a quelquefois des probl?mes. :-/ |
| 01:05.22 | odlaII | JordiGH: /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 01:05.23 | pat__ | JordiGH en tout cas je te remerci |
| 01:05.26 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | if not, can some one point me to some compiling tutorials |
| 01:05.54 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, sure you can |
| 01:06.06 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what's your cpu? |
| 01:06.22 | pat__ | JordiGH merci ça fait plaisir |
| 01:06.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | its a celeron 1.7 ghz |
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| 01:06.59 | JordiGH | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Eh? You think you need to compile a kernel? |
| 01:07.19 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | no one told me otherwise... |
| 01:07.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | until tuv, the pro of course |
| 01:07.58 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | can some one point me to the url for the kernel download? |
| 01:08.05 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, are you running sarge (stable)? |
| 01:08.13 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I check? |
| 01:08.27 | JordiGH | Silent_Chaos[CAN: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:08.29 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:08.29 | odlaII | uname -rr |
| 01:08.31 | odlaII | uname -r |
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| 01:08.40 | JordiGH | !prize me |
| 01:08.49 | tuv | good work JordiGH |
| 01:09.25 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | qqqquname gave me 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 01:09.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | cat gave me 3.1 |
| 01:09.40 | odlaII | srage |
| 01:09.43 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.57 | odlaII | !typo |
| 01:09.57 | dpkg | it has been said that typo is when someone tries to type really fast without knowing what he is actually doing.... so he makes typing mistakes, or rm -rf / |
| 01:10.11 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | !sorry |
| 01:10.11 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 01:10.40 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686_2.6.8-16sarge4_i386.deb |
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| 01:11.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | great! where do I put it on the linux box? |
| 01:11.37 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, anywhere, just do "dpkg -i <downloaded-file.deb> |
| 01:11.39 | tuv | " |
| 01:11.57 | raf256 | !prize yo momma |
| 01:12.07 | JordiGH | !smack raf256 |
| 01:12.10 | pickcoder | nopcode: mkinitrd normally puts output in /boot/ but you can specify an output file with -o |
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| 01:12.18 | raf256 | !bushsmite JordiGH |
| 01:12.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks tuv! |
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| 01:12.46 | JordiGH | Hmm.... I don't like it when dpkg gets political. |
| 01:13.42 | moyix | what's the proper way to change the system's version of python? apparently I'm not supposed to just replace the symlink? |
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| 01:15.21 | tuv | moyix, if you're running testing and wants python2.4 to be the default, install python/unstable. but some dependants will break as they are still expecting python2.3 |
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| 01:15.56 | odlaII | tuv: it looks like python2.4 is in etch |
| 01:16.27 | tuv | odla, it is. but it will not be the default unless the unstable python package is installed |
| 01:16.37 | odlaII | ah |
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| 01:16.50 | freeone3000 | Is sun's java in testing yet? |
| 01:16.57 | odlaII | nope |
| 01:17.10 | odlaII | !tell moyix about mixed system |
| 01:17.31 | moyix | tuv: whoops, this must have changed recently--I just checked and 2.4 is, in fact, the default |
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| 01:17.41 | moyix | (already running unstable) |
| 01:17.57 | odlaII | well then you don't care about mixed systems :) |
| 01:18.09 | moyix | heh, thanks nonetheless odlaII |
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| 01:19.30 | JordiGH | !java |
| 01:19.30 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 01:19.58 | JordiGH | freakzoid0223: Though I think I read some buzz in /. about Sun liberating Java. Who knows. |
| 01:20.31 | odlaII | free as in beer or free as in freedom? |
| 01:20.43 | JordiGH | odlaII: Freedom, according to Sun. |
| 01:21.03 | odlaII | !beer me |
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| 01:21.44 | Cooner750 | How do I go about installing SSH? |
| 01:22.16 | JordiGH | Cooner750: apt-get install the obvious package. |
| 01:22.23 | odlaII | JordiGH: lmfao |
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| 01:24.57 | odlaII | 2/3 of the way from upgrading sid 2005 to etch current |
| 01:25.25 | JordiGH | odlaII: I'll race you... 10% of the way myself. :-) |
| 01:25.38 | odlaII | you're going from sid to etch too? |
| 01:25.40 | odlaII | fun! |
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| 01:26.06 | JordiGH | Oh, wait. No. |
| 01:26.15 | JordiGH | I didn't think you could do that. :0) |
| 01:26.31 | odlaII | only cause the version of sid i have is more outdated than the current etch |
| 01:26.41 | odlaII | that's the only reason i can do it |
| 01:27.06 | gmak | oh boy sid/etch war! |
| 01:27.18 | odlaII | i think you can go from sid to etch as well with careful pinning |
| 01:27.27 | odlaII | and tons and tons of patience |
| 01:27.41 | odlaII | gmak: sid likes break toys like etch |
| 01:28.05 | gmak | clol |
| 01:28.56 | gmak | one of the reasons i am not into debian yet is because software in stable is outdated; i really do not care about the philosophy behind it, it is just outdated for no practical purpose (most of the time) unfortunately |
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| 01:29.14 | odlaII | gmak: run etch...it's pretty stable |
| 01:29.15 | five0` | gmak: i was of the same impression |
| 01:29.19 | gmak | this is why wimps like *ubuntu survive |
| 01:29.42 | odlaII | ubuntu blah...testing is more current than ubuntu |
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| 01:30.24 | nopcode | does anyone know how to set the root device with yiard initrds? |
| 01:30.27 | five0` | gmak: though i'll have to disagree with your "just outdated for no practical purpose" |
| 01:30.35 | gmak | how much testing does it get to provide a decent working desktop when there is a leap between gnome 2.8 and gnome 2.14 ..... jeez; aint those numbers significant that the developers actually FIXED something there? |
| 01:30.50 | odlaII | gmak: 2.14 is in etch |
| 01:31.05 | odlaII | gmak: also do you need 2.14 if you're running sarge as a server? |
| 01:31.12 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, I downloaded the kernel onto a cd and put the cd in my linux box, do I need to mount the cd drive to access the files? |
| 01:31.17 | JordiGH | Also, gmak, you're in #deibian. You're outnumbered. >:) |
| 01:31.20 | gmak | five0` if you use outdated software then is THIS secure at times, ok just because nobody gives a crap anymore? |
| 01:31.22 | karsten | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Yes. |
| 01:31.28 | odlaII | and imho there is no difference between 2.8 and 2.14 |
| 01:31.29 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks :) |
| 01:31.33 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, sure |
| 01:31.39 | five0` | JordiGH: i'd like to see where this goes |
| 01:31.43 | odlaII | JordiGH: i think gmak's a troll |
| 01:31.44 | gmak | you are missing the point JordiGH |
| 01:31.54 | gmak | i am not, anyway |
| 01:32.09 | odlaII | ubuntu improves on a few packages that newbs like, like a flashy outta the box desktop |
| 01:32.12 | gmak | if it is easy for you to think this, i leave you thinking it, i live without illusions |
| 01:32.20 | gmak | i said that ubuntu is a wimp distro |
| 01:32.24 | five0` | does running a bumped revision number improve your productivity somewhat? |
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| 01:32.46 | gmak | five0` does a non less numbered version have less bugs? |
| 01:32.46 | Cooner750 | is there a totem plugin for Firefox I can install? or Mozilla? |
| 01:32.59 | gmak | less* |
| 01:33.02 | odlaII | Cooner750: yup...apt-cache search totme |
| 01:33.04 | gmak | er |
| 01:33.05 | odlaII | totme |
| 01:33.07 | odlaII | totem |
| 01:33.09 | odlaII | damn |
| 01:33.28 | odlaII | Cooner750: i think it's called totem-mozilla or mozilla-totem or something like that |
| 01:33.38 | five0` | eh, so i guess you are a troll |
| 01:33.45 | five0` | ignored |
| 01:33.49 | Cooner750 | I only get totem, totem-gstreamer, and totem-xine |
| 01:34.02 | odlaII | Cooner750: do you have contrib and non-free enabled? |
| 01:34.21 | tuv | there is totem-mozilla |
| 01:34.40 | Cooner750 | on mirriors.kernel.org/debian I have main contrib and non-free |
| 01:34.48 | tuv | not in sarge though |
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| 01:35.16 | odlaII | totem-mozilla - Totem Mozilla plugin |
| 01:35.36 | odlaII | you could probably use mozilla-mplayer too |
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| 01:36.30 | gmak | i am not a troll, have a nice life too |
| 01:36.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, I had an error while installing the kernel |
| 01:36.51 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, which is? |
| 01:37.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 01:37.17 | Cooner750 | I am getting http://pastebin.ca/139607 when trying to install mozilla-mplayer |
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| 01:37.35 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, is that all it says? |
| 01:38.21 | nopcode | how do i change the root device for yaird? |
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| 01:38.52 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | dependency problems prevent configuration of <kernel> depends on module-init-tools, however package module-init-tools is not installed |
| 01:39.19 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | so, i need to install module-init-tools now? |
| 01:39.19 | dondelelcaro | Silent_Chaos[CAN: you need to install module-init-tools then |
| 01:39.27 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, then get module-init-tools as well |
| 01:39.41 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | without apt-get? |
| 01:39.58 | dondelelcaro | Silent_Chaos[CAN: using apt-get would be easier. |
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| 01:40.34 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i need init tools for the new kernel i need for the drivers that wont work for my ethernet card which is preventing me from apt-getting anything |
| 01:40.42 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | : / |
| 01:41.17 | five0` | where's your previous kernel? |
| 01:41.22 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | running |
| 01:41.41 | Bertram | hi there. Anyone has been having problem with printing cause of a perl local (fr, us, etc...) problem ? |
| 01:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Silent_Chaos[CAN: ah; well, you can see what apt-get -f install; would like to do; that'll tell you which packages you need. |
| 01:42.12 | pickcoder | nopcode: man yaird? probably something like -r or --root |
| 01:42.24 | nopcode | pickcoder: nope |
| 01:42.33 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is there a way to download the init-tools on my windows machine to transfer via cd? |
| 01:42.54 | nopcode | pickcoder: oh wait |
| 01:43.01 | nopcode | ok nevermind |
| 01:43.14 | dondelelcaro | Silent_Chaos[CAN: anyway you can download it will work. apt-cache show module-init-tools will give you the url |
| 01:43.59 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: just got back from the picnic. tshirt is nice: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/2006/20060819_Linux_Picnic15/20060819_canonS230_3372.jpg raffled that book and they gave away those drinks at the end. (= got ANOTHER splunk tshirt. |
| 01:44.35 | nopcode | whats the current way, in stable, to manage /dev? |
| 01:44.38 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks don, found it |
| 01:45.14 | karsten | Feck. |
| 01:45.48 | karsten | Why isn't Flash working... D/L'd the Adobe player, copied to /usr/lic/firefox/plugins (flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so), restarted Firefox. |
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| 01:46.49 | karsten | I've got FlashBlock & NoScript plugins installed. |
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| 01:48.53 | m1ke_l | i just ordered an amd 64bit dual core cpu and mobo...well debian just install like it does on 32bit ? |
| 01:48.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: cool |
| 01:48.59 | Marupa | hi, how do I know which device my sound is outputting from? /dev/dsp....what? |
| 01:49.09 | pstickne_ | 377 packages upgrading :x |
| 01:49.16 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: dmesg will tell you; if you only have one card, it's probably /dev/dsp0 |
| 01:49.16 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, look for packages at packages.debian.org |
| 01:49.20 | Marupa | I have two. |
| 01:49.33 | pstickne_ | I thought /dev/dsp was only OSS legacy. |
| 01:49.33 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: then check what dmesg says |
| 01:49.48 | m1ke_l | Marupa....is /dev/dsp just a sym link to /dev/dsp0? |
| 01:49.51 | dondelelcaro | it's the oss interface |
| 01:50.00 | Marupa | what'm I looking for, dondelelcaro? |
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| 01:51.20 | pickcoder | nopcode: why are you using yaird? |
| 01:51.45 | nopcode | pickcoder: because its what my kernel image uses |
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| 01:51.51 | pickcoder | m1ke_l: you can run an i386 kernel onit with no prob |
| 01:52.07 | nopcode | i tried mkinitrd and it didnt boot - dunno if that was the problem but i rather stick with whats currently working |
| 01:53.06 | pickcoder | nopcode: I don't use it and I just started reading about it. |
| 01:53.16 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | apt-cache search swat should return results right? or do I need to choose a different mirror? |
| 01:53.22 | nopcode | pickcoder: it produced cpio gzipped archives |
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| 01:53.54 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: something like #0: Intel 82801BA-ICH2 with AD1885 at 0xc800, irq 17 |
| 01:54.03 | YeTr2 | Anyone know of any work and/or documentation on iptables extentions in debian? |
| 01:54.05 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you're using alsa) |
| 01:55.48 | pickcoder | nopcode: it works differently than mkinitrd, so I can't help |
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| 01:56.14 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tuv, I got the new kernel going and the network is up and dhcp is registered, how do I apt-cache search? |
| 01:56.45 | pickcoder | Silent_Chaos[CAN: exactly that.. apt-cache search <string> |
| 01:56.54 | nopcode | pickcoder: well i read it the / entry from fstab |
| 01:56.55 | pstickne_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN, pull updates yet? |
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| 01:57.02 | nopcode | pickcoder: i'll just try copying my root fs over again |
| 01:57.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | updates? |
| 01:57.15 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, great.. so no more network problems? |
| 01:57.15 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I just installed the OS today |
| 01:57.20 | pstickne_ | apt-get update is the word on the stret |
| 01:57.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | search samba isn't returning any results |
| 01:57.51 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, do an apt-get update |
| 01:57.53 | pickcoder | pstickne_: yeah.. an update would help.. <G> |
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| 01:57.58 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | k, thanks |
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| 01:58.56 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | all it did was read package lists then gave me my prompt back... |
| 01:59.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | think my mirror could be down? |
| 02:00.15 | pickcoder | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what's the mirror |
| 02:00.24 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | a university : / |
| 02:00.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how can I change it? |
| 02:00.32 | odlaII | alright my dist-upgrade is completed :) |
| 02:00.33 | pickcoder | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what's the domain |
| 02:00.41 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I check? |
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| 02:04.53 | pstickne_ | anyone know what QT stuff I need to install for dev? |
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| 02:05.09 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 02:05.31 | pstickne_ | I find libqt3c102 but it tells me to get the -mt version. |
| 02:05.37 | pstickne_ | Which doesn't exist AFAIK. |
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| 02:06.45 | thingfish | hey stoned |
| 02:06.51 | odlaII | where can i find the security keys for the etch repository? |
| 02:07.03 | stoned | hi |
| 02:07.11 | stoned | thingfish, whats going on |
| 02:07.16 | thingfish | stoned: how's things going? |
| 02:07.26 | stoned | thingfish, dell kicks ass |
| 02:07.35 | thingfish | stoned: hey great! |
| 02:07.42 | stoned | thingfish, the other day we got a 1 hour 45 min lunch |
| 02:07.47 | thingfish | damn |
| 02:07.50 | thingfish | sweet |
| 02:07.51 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I enable SSH on my linux box... it is refusing connection via putty |
| 02:07.53 | stoned | I came home and got stoned |
| 02:07.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:08.01 | stoned | Silent_Chaos[CAN, apt-get install ssh |
| 02:08.04 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | ty |
| 02:08.05 | odlaII | lol |
| 02:08.23 | thingfish | stoned: sales, or tech support? |
| 02:08.31 | stoned | thingfish, business sales |
| 02:08.37 | thingfish | I was going to say. |
| 02:08.51 | thingfish | I did education sales for gateway for a while. |
| 02:09.06 | stoned | I got these two hot little blondes in my training class |
| 02:09.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:09.16 | stoned | very hot indeed |
| 02:09.19 | stoned | and very tanned too |
| 02:09.23 | thingfish | of course |
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| 02:09.38 | stoned | I had to start wearing briefs instead of boxers so my boners woudln't be that obvious |
| 02:09.39 | stoned | ahahaha |
| 02:09.45 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:09.46 | stoned | j/k |
| 02:10.12 | stoned | I gotta go drop the kids off at the pool |
| 02:10.14 | stoned | bbs |
| 02:10.21 | thingfish | ok later |
| 02:11.21 | eth0x | anyone recommend a vnc server for debian? |
| 02:11.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | "couldn't find package ssh" |
| 02:13.03 | pstickne_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN, apt-cache search first |
| 02:13.17 | pstickne_ | so uhm, anyone know the qt dev package name? (3.3x) |
| 02:13.26 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | apt-cache search isn't returning anything |
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| 02:13.46 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | just accepts the command and brings me back to prompt |
| 02:13.58 | pstickne_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN, update was successful? |
| 02:14.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | update didn't do anything |
| 02:14.16 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | reading package list... then prompt |
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| 02:14.27 | pstickne_ | I'd start with that. |
| 02:14.47 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | apt-get update |
| 02:14.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | reading package lists... Done |
| 02:15.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | that's all it did |
| 02:15.12 | odlaII | do you have a sources.list? |
| 02:15.17 | pstickne_ | well, *duh* it's libqt3-headers, why not -dev? grrr. |
| 02:15.29 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | where would I find the sources.list? |
| 02:15.41 | pstickne_ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:15.42 | odlaII | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I have the file but there's nothing without a comment # |
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| 02:17.12 | rene1 | hey, |
| 02:17.14 | stoned | thingfish, I'm toking in a grandfather pipe, wooden, with some carvings on it and stuff, its nice and elegant |
| 02:17.48 | pstickne_ | 200+MB in packages just to get this plugin built :x |
| 02:18.14 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | pstickne_, what should I have in my sources.list? |
| 02:18.16 | pstickne_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN, uncomment the things you want. |
| 02:18.21 | pstickne_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN, or ask on google. |
| 02:18.46 | rene1 | is it possible to change the source address for a packet and its destination address ? i have incoming packets coming from public IP, want to change that to a LAN IP and then want to forward that packet to another computer that runs the target service within that lan.. |
| 02:18.52 | thingfish | stoned: nice. |
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| 02:19.11 | stoned | I'm bored |
| 02:19.21 | rene1 | apt-get roll joint |
| 02:19.26 | thingfish | yeah me too, kind of. |
| 02:19.27 | Cooner750 | When I try to apply this Application theme: http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/1285, everything changes to that Win9x look |
| 02:19.35 | thingfish | and tired. |
| 02:19.49 | stoned | I'm gonna get high and watch porn |
| 02:20.03 | stoned | oh did I say that out loud? |
| 02:20.06 | pstickne_ | rene1, anyone of the basic iptables masq howto's should show that |
| 02:20.08 | stoned | :D |
| 02:20.58 | thingfish | I suppose it's ridiculous to even halfway hope that it's a new saturday night live tonight. |
| 02:21.19 | ZMorek | it's also ridiculous to hope there might actually be something funny on it |
| 02:21.29 | ZMorek | snl hasn't been funny in years |
| 02:21.36 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 02:22.03 | Cooner750 | Anyone know what my problem could be? |
| 02:22.04 | thingfish | well I wouldn't say that, but certainly this past season has been real weak. |
| 02:22.08 | DocOC | Cooner750: ick. |
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| 02:22.43 | ZMorek | fwiw |
| 02:22.56 | DocOC | Cooner750: how are you installing the theme? |
| 02:23.12 | stoned | I just ordered basic cable from cox |
| 02:23.14 | ZMorek | I'm beginning to respect windows after all this tinkering with linux |
| 02:23.23 | stoned | should be installed next saturday |
| 02:23.27 | stoned | my roommate will pay for it, he watches tv |
| 02:23.32 | ZMorek | windows is dumbed down extreme and regardless of how shitty it is.... it usually works |
| 02:23.33 | Cooner750 | DocOC: By extracting it and placing it in /home/conor/.themes |
| 02:23.34 | DocOC | stoned: I didn't know they showed cox on basic cable. |
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| 02:23.53 | DocOC | Cooner750: nah, you want to use the switch2 application |
| 02:24.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:24.12 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 02:24.14 | stoned | DocOC, you're a tool |
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| 02:24.39 | DocOC | stoned: yep, a big, stiff, throbbing tool. |
| 02:25.19 | DocOC | Cooner750: try as a non-root user typing "switch2" |
| 02:26.14 | Cooner750 | bash: switch2: command not found |
| 02:26.29 | DocOC | Cooner750: then, apt-get install switch2 |
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| 02:26.53 | thingfish | Cooner750: are you using gnome? when you select another different theme, does it display correctly? |
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| 02:27.02 | g-guest | 'ello Cooner |
| 02:27.07 | Cooner750 | When I select another theme that's preinstalled it works |
| 02:27.11 | Shunyata | D: |
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| 02:27.38 | thingfish | Cooner750: but the one you installed doesn't? what about other themes you may have downloaded and installed? |
| 02:28.08 | Shunyata | WINDOWS IS CLEARLY THE SUPERIOR OPERATING SYSTEM. BLUE SCREENS ARE SEXY! |
| 02:28.20 | Cooner750 | None of them that I've downloaded work. This system was just freshly installed yesterday., I installed the gtk2-engines-clearlooks package and got Clearlooks to work |
| 02:28.49 | DocOC | seriously, switch2 will help you. |
| 02:29.21 | Cooner750 | Hmm I got switch2 to work |
| 02:29.23 | Cooner750 | and it reports errors |
| 02:29.54 | DocOC | Cooner750: it reports errors simply when you run it, or when you try to install that theme using it? |
| 02:29.55 | Cooner750 | http://pastebin.ca/139676 |
| 02:30.02 | thingfish | well, if you installed gtk2-engines-clearlooks and it works, and the ones you download and attempt to install don't work, I mean I'd think it sounds like you're possibly not putting the right dir in ~/.themes |
| 02:30.49 | thingfish | hmm |
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| 02:30.59 | thingfish | got me. |
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| 02:31.07 | mrrcparish | how do i update my system? |
| 02:31.08 | DocOC | Cooner750: sounds like the themefile was created wrong. That error is telling exactly how to fix it. |
| 02:31.15 | mrrcparish | like have it auto update or what not |
| 02:31.26 | Cooner750 | I can try to fix it, I assume |
| 02:31.29 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | can some one please provide me with a basic, funtional sources.list in a pastebin please?? |
| 02:31.40 | DocOC | mrrcparish: apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade |
| 02:31.59 | thingfish | Silent_Chaos[CAN: why don't you just use apt-setup and set yours straight? |
| 02:32.21 | DocOC | Cooner750: yep, just open the file it is complaining about and insert the character it is complaining about on the line it indicated. |
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| 02:32.29 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thank you thingfish |
| 02:32.40 | ZMorek | I throw myself at the mercy of the channel |
| 02:32.45 | ZMorek | can someone please help me fix x? |
| 02:33.00 | mattl | ZMorek, what's wrong with X? |
| 02:33.03 | trpr_ | hrm. i would expect the libqt3-jni / libkde3-jni packages to supply the needed qtjava / koala shared libraries, yet they aren't included? it seems if i want my kdejava app to compile i have to compile the qtjava.jar/koala.jar files into shared libraries myself :\ |
| 02:33.05 | DocOC | ZMorek: you need to provide much more info than that. |
| 02:33.08 | ZMorek | it doesn't run full screen |
| 02:33.12 | ZMorek | it runs in the top left corner |
| 02:33.22 | ZMorek | I've tinkered with xorg.conf for 2+ days |
| 02:33.25 | mattl | ZMorek, you're on an LCD or laptop? |
| 02:33.28 | ZMorek | TV |
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| 02:33.49 | Cooner750 | It appears to be complaining about this part of the file http://pastebin.ca/139678 but I dont know how to fix it? Insert a ' where menubarstyle is? Dosen't seem right to me |
| 02:33.52 | mattl | oh, no idea mate. never done that... i'd say check your resolutions, but i guess you've done that. |
| 02:33.53 | ZMorek | xorg.conf ... http://pastebin.ca/139656 there |
| 02:34.23 | DocOC | Cooner750: no, it wants you to end the line with }, as far as i can tell from that error. |
| 02:34.27 | jsn | You know, I was just thinking. What'd I'd like [wishlist] is to be able to make sure, after an upgrade, that my machine will reboot succesfully. A sort of "fake reboot". Is there such a thing? |
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| 02:34.49 | jsn | I am running debian powerpc, and I have a rescue CD, but still, it'd be nice knowing. |
| 02:34.55 | dbw | i'm having trouble configure XFree86 on sarge |
| 02:35.06 | mattl | ZMorek, 640x480 seems like the wrong resolution. |
| 02:35.12 | mattl | dbw, what's your trouble? |
| 02:35.38 | jsn | dbw: maybe post the error lines of startx to a pastebin |
| 02:35.42 | thingfish | man I wonder what happened to everyone. |
| 02:35.56 | mattl | jsn, which debian are you running? i'm running sid on ppc. don't meet many ppc users :) |
| 02:36.00 | dbw | the only config file i can find is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:36.09 | dbw | and changes i make to it don't do anything |
| 02:36.12 | DocOC | thingfish: yeah, the channel is about 200 people smaller than normal... |
| 02:36.20 | mattl | dbe, are you running this as a desktop machine? |
| 02:36.23 | thingfish | DocOC: yeah I noticed. |
| 02:36.28 | strange_stone | dbw what changes you make? |
| 02:36.29 | dbw | furthermore, dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 doesn't change that file |
| 02:36.37 | mattl | jsn, hang on. let me put my wine glass down! ;) |
| 02:36.50 | thingfish | no ops, no regulars, unless I'm just missing them. |
| 02:36.51 | dbw | strange_stone: i need 1280x768 resolution, the pkg config doesn't offer it |
| 02:36.53 | dbw | that's all |
| 02:36.55 | thingfish | oh well |
| 02:36.58 | Cooner750 | Hmm I have no idea |
| 02:37.03 | jsn | :) |
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| 02:37.16 | jsn | Branden ???Robinson??? has a ppc |
| 02:37.21 | dbw | jsn: there's no error, i just can't change the config to what i want! :-\ |
| 02:37.23 | jsn | the XFree guy |
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| 02:37.31 | DocOC | !tell dbw about xmd5 |
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| 02:37.34 | strange_stone | dbw Modes"1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" |
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| 02:38.08 | jsn | Ben Herrenschmidt, the debian linux kernel guy, has my model. |
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| 02:38.24 | jsn | sorry, PPC debian linux kernel guy |
| 02:38.38 | dbw | strange_stone: i know how to put in a custom line like that |
| 02:38.41 | strange_stone | dbw reboot your desktop maby one good solution |
| 02:38.50 | strange_stone | when make the changes :| |
| 02:38.51 | dbw | but the X server is looking at some other file completely |
| 02:39.00 | dbw | strange_stone: that's a silly solution and you know it :P |
| 02:39.01 | jsn | dbw: Well, then change _that_ file :) |
| 02:39.07 | dbw | strange_stone: anyway it's a laptop and i reboot it all the time |
| 02:39.15 | dbw | jsn: i don't know what _that_ file is! |
| 02:39.16 | ZMorek | mattl: no resolution works |
| 02:39.19 | strange_stone | dbw the graphic driver is ok? |
| 02:39.21 | ZMorek | properly that is |
| 02:39.27 | dbw | strange_stone: yeah, works fine |
| 02:39.29 | jsn | So, is there any "I've just upgraded, and I'd like to check if a reboot will work" test around? |
| 02:39.49 | strange_stone | you shure you have 1280x768 theere type :\ |
| 02:39.49 | mattl | ZMorek, are you using the free driver or the non-free one? |
| 02:40.31 | DocOC | jsn: silly suggestion: you could run a xen kernel and boot your system in a virtual machine... |
| 02:41.08 | jsn | DocOC: That sounds like exactly what I want, and not silly at all... except I know nothing meaningful about xen. |
| 02:41.20 | ZMorek | mattl: nvidia linux 8762 |
| 02:41.24 | DocOC | jsn: neither do I, which is why it's a silly suggestion. |
| 02:41.26 | jsn | xen KERNEL? No, sorry, that does sounds silly |
| 02:41.27 | dbw | DocOC: thanks:) that explains it! |
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| 02:41.49 | mattl | ZMorek, is that the non-free one? not a graphics card expert. |
| 02:41.52 | Cooner750 | I cant figure out my theme problem |
| 02:42.02 | ZMorek | mattl: free as in beer or speech? |
| 02:42.38 | mattl | well, i doubt you'd pay money for a driver, so let's go with speech. ;) |
| 02:42.41 | dbw | still, everything is "flasaattened |
| 02:42.43 | dbw | aagh |
| 02:42.47 | dbw | ssh lag :P |
| 02:42.49 | jsn | free as in "not in non-free" archive |
| 02:43.23 | mattl | i'd love free beer. i've never found anywhere offering it. |
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| 02:43.36 | dbw | frat parties? |
| 02:43.42 | jsn | I went to this place in Seattle which advertised .75 cent beer. Turns out it was a gay bar. |
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| 02:43.53 | dbw | unless you are too old or too young to go to frat parties. |
| 02:43.56 | jsn | Not really my speed, but I finished my beer. |
| 02:43.57 | dbw | in which case you are screwed |
| 02:44.00 | strange_stone | lol |
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| 02:44.20 | dbw | jsn: i'd drink in guantanamo bay if they had 75 cent beer |
| 02:44.41 | jsn | dbw: the only people in Gitmo who get to (or even want to?) drink beer are the guards, eh? |
| 02:44.58 | strange_stone | dbw monitor resolution ... |
| 02:45.08 | dbw | strange_stone: yes? |
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| 02:45.19 | strange_stone | HorizSync do you configure this well? |
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| 02:45.24 | dbw | here's the relevant line from my config (which i've got working thanks to DocOc) |
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| 02:45.47 | dbw | strange_stone: to be honest i have no idea what the refresh rates for this laptop are |
| 02:45.56 | dbw | that could be the problem |
| 02:46.02 | strange_stone | ohhhhhhhhh :) probably we have one bing here |
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| 02:46.14 | jsn | dbw: you know, _someone_ has probably posted that information on the internet |
| 02:46.14 | strange_stone | dbw right that can be the problem.... |
| 02:46.21 | crille | Hello, I would like some help please, I wonder if theres a program that makes my minimized programs appear as icons on the desktop? |
| 02:46.36 | mrrcparish | is there like a debian FAQ for apt-get |
| 02:46.39 | strange_stone | dbw you have you monitor bad conifgurated |
| 02:46.48 | mrrcparish | on how to make sure everything is getting updates |
| 02:46.57 | dbw | strange_stone: here's something interesting from the log |
| 02:47.05 | DocOC | crille: umm, you could try windowmaker as your window-manager. That's exactly what it does with minimized windows. |
| 02:47.20 | thingfish | mrrcparish: do 'man apt-get' in a terminal. |
| 02:47.23 | jsn | mrrcparish: have you been playing with your sources list? If you haven't added, then removed, an archive, everything (as far as I know) will get updated. |
| 02:47.30 | crille | Im using KDE atm, isnt there an alternate program for that? |
| 02:47.32 | dbw | ah hell |
| 02:47.33 | mrrcparish | ok |
| 02:47.35 | dbw | i can't paste |
| 02:47.38 | dbw | :P |
| 02:47.44 | mrrcparish | yea i havent played it updated 4 things |
| 02:47.57 | strange_stone | pastbin make good solutions :) |
| 02:48.02 | jsn | crille: that would _really_ depend on what window manager you were using. |
| 02:48.02 | mrrcparish | just makin sure i dont need to change anything.. <<-- used to be a big fedora user |
| 02:48.13 | mrrcparish | debian i love |
| 02:48.28 | jsn | sniff, me too |
| 02:48.43 | dbw | strange_stone: (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1280x768" (no mode of this name) |
| 02:48.59 | dbw | does this mean the driver is incapable of that mode? |
| 02:49.45 | jsn | It means the config file doesn't know about that mode. |
| 02:49.50 | DocOC | dbw: 1280x768? shouldn't it be 1280x1024? |
| 02:49.51 | dbw | hmmm. |
| 02:49.56 | mrrcparish | whats a good FAQ site for debian |
| 02:49.58 | dbw | DocOC: nope, widescreen |
| 02:49.59 | mrrcparish | or is there one? |
| 02:50.04 | DocOC | ahh. |
| 02:50.07 | dbw | :D |
| 02:50.13 | dbw | stupid thing |
| 02:50.26 | dbw | well that resolved ALL my issues. |
| 02:51.29 | DocOC | you know, I was a contributing developer on crowbar, so, you're welcome. |
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| 02:51.44 | dbw | :) |
| 02:52.24 | dbw | okay, i've never figured this out.... how do i choose what starts at boot? |
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| 02:52.35 | dbw | for instance, i want GPM to start but not X |
| 02:52.35 | strange_stone | dbw i advice you to try to check you horizontal and vertical monitor reference |
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| 02:52.50 | dbw | strange_stone: i'll work on it, thanks :) |
| 02:52.57 | strange_stone | ohh great :) |
| 02:53.01 | ZMorek | mattl: the nvidia driver is closed source |
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| 02:53.30 | dbw | anyone know how to do that? |
| 02:53.44 | dbw | should i just chmod the files in /etc/init.d/ or what? |
| 02:53.46 | strange_stone | dbw i`m newbie to but here we learn whith everyone don`t :| |
| 02:53.51 | mattl | ZMorek, ah. i'm not sure i've got anything else to suggest :) |
| 02:54.28 | jsn | There is a dpkg-reconfigure that lets you choose the *dm, but honestly, I don't know which one. |
| 02:54.37 | jsn | I've had too many troubles with X in the past, so I don't start it at boot. |
| 02:54.49 | jsn | Plus, sometimes I accidentally boot into linux, so its faster to reboot if I don't start X |
| 02:54.53 | odla | is it dpkg-reconfigure xdm? |
| 02:55.43 | ZMorek | mattl: that's what everyone says... that or they stop talking... |
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| 02:55.45 | dbw | odla: nah, that's not installed |
| 02:55.59 | jsn | how's about dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 02:56.09 | Cooner750 | Does Debian have the correct driver for this video device: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) installed? |
| 02:56.13 | dbw | jsn: but that's not what i want... i don't want X to start at all! |
| 02:56.20 | jsn | dbw: OH! |
| 02:56.22 | mattl | Cooner750, is that a mini itx box? |
| 02:56.25 | dbw | jsn: and btw it's in base-config |
| 02:56.26 | dbw | :P |
| 02:57.01 | dbw | jsn: so obviously you know how to do that... instruct me o master |
| 02:57.03 | mattl | ZMorek, i think you'll find that can happen with non-free drivers. A lot of people simply have no desire to try and figure them out. |
| 02:57.05 | Cooner750 | mattl: This is an HP Pavilion a720n |
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| 02:57.27 | jsn | dbw: Well, I cheat. I go into /etc/rc2.d and move SXX*dm to _SXX*dm |
| 02:57.37 | dbw | lol |
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| 02:57.38 | dbw | okay |
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| 02:57.39 | mattl | Cooner750, ah, is that a laptop? It should be fine. |
| 02:57.44 | Cooner750 | mattl: Desktop |
| 02:58.13 | dbw | jsn: and to add something, just ln -s SXXwhatever to /etc/init.d/whatever ? |
| 02:58.14 | mattl | Cooner750, is it especially small? I know a MiniITX I had had a S3 UniChrome in it and it was fine. Just worked. |
| 02:58.32 | jsn | dbw: I guess, assuming /etc/init.d/whatever exists |
| 02:58.37 | dbw | k |
| 02:58.39 | dbw | thanks mate |
| 02:58.40 | dbw | :( |
| 02:58.43 | dbw | i mean :) |
| 02:59.16 | jsn | There's a totally debian way to manage rc*.d |
| 02:59.22 | jsn | I just never got used to it. |
| 02:59.30 | Cooner750 | mattl: It's ATX form factor, the computer. It appears to be working fine, I was just wondering how can I check to see if I actually do have the right driver loaded for it? I think it's using the VESA driver |
| 02:59.42 | ZMorek | mattl: problem is I have no other option |
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| 02:59.57 | dbw | jsn: do you know what it is? |
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| 03:00.07 | jsn | dbw: didn't stick in my braincase |
| 03:00.08 | dbw | or what it's called, where it has docs, whatever |
| 03:00.11 | dbw | k |
| 03:00.33 | mattl | Cooner750, I'm pretty sure there's an s3 specfic xorg module/server/whatever they call it |
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| 03:00.46 | jsn | Someone's gotta know! |
| 03:01.07 | mattl | ZMorek, because of the TV out? |
| 03:01.07 | mattl | ooh. netsplit. |
| 03:01.08 | inlinefour | ;x |
| 03:01.10 | jsn | HEY! YOU GUYS! What's the debian way to manage /etc/rc[0-6].d files? |
| 03:01.17 | inlinefour | do all linux distros use ifconfig? |
| 03:01.29 | jsn | i.e. How does one control what gets started at runlevel X? |
| 03:01.39 | jsn | inlinefour, i think so |
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| 03:01.50 | jsn | inlinefour, unix'es, also |
| 03:01.56 | inlinefour | hmm |
| 03:01.57 | inlinefour | weird |
| 03:02.04 | inlinefour | i get a bash error in red hat |
| 03:02.09 | dbw | jsn: the plural is "unices" please |
| 03:02.09 | inlinefour | when i try the ifconfig command |
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| 03:02.19 | dbw | inlinefour: it's probably not in your path |
| 03:02.20 | jsn | sure, sure, dbw. i think it confuses some, though |
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| 03:02.25 | dbw | inlinefour: usually only in root's path |
| 03:02.28 | jsn | it's for root only |
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| 03:02.35 | inlinefour | hm |
| 03:02.40 | jsn | and, btw, iwconfig is better for wireless |
| 03:02.55 | dbw | i just discovered wpa_supplicant and it ROCKS |
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| 03:03.04 | inlinefour | yeah |
| 03:03.05 | dbw | anyway thanks for all your help jsn |
| 03:03.08 | inlinefour | i'm running under root |
| 03:03.11 | jsn | A Work Projects Administration Supplicant? |
| 03:03.16 | jsn | dbw: I hope it works for you |
| 03:03.25 | inlinefour | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
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| 03:03.43 | ZMorek | mattl: because there's no open source driver that will run x for my onboard card |
| 03:03.51 | jsn | inlinefour, try > locate ifconfig and you'll see it is under some /sbin/ |
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| 03:04.36 | jsn | inlinefour: which means it isn't in your path unless you are root |
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| 03:05.09 | jsn | ZMorek, brand new machine, eh? |
| 03:05.13 | mattl | ZMorek, tried 'nv' ? |
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| 03:05.29 | jsn | I mean, if your machine is older than six months, a driver exists. |
| 03:05.38 | jsn | generally speaking |
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| 03:06.41 | mattl | jsn, totally. i'm running on an iMac G5 20" and everything's pretty much working for me :) |
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| 03:07.32 | jsn | I'm running on a broke-up 5 year old powerbook G4 15" |
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| 03:08.31 | mattl | nice. i have it running on a 1.67Ghz PB G4 15" too. |
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| 03:09.18 | jsn | http://www.narins.net:4321/images/computer.jpg |
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| 03:09.56 | jsn | Had to take the whole thing apart to replace the monitor cable, which ripped when the screen came half-detached when it hit the ground with the screen open. |
| 03:10.05 | inlinefour | jsn, blade server? |
| 03:10.07 | inlinefour | ;) |
| 03:10.20 | inlinefour | oh wait |
| 03:10.21 | inlinefour | is that a laptop? |
| 03:10.35 | mattl | heh. yup. |
| 03:10.48 | mattl | jsn, that's impressive. |
| 03:10.58 | mattl | if/when my powerbook breaks, i'm buying a thinkpad. |
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| 03:11.31 | Z_Morek | jsn: 2-year-old machine, just switched to debian... and encountered countless problems |
| 03:11.47 | Z_Morek | mattl: no... |
| 03:11.48 | jsn | Z_Morek, really? was it very weird architecture or something? |
| 03:13.08 | mattl | Z_Morek, what did you switch from? |
| 03:13.11 | jsn | So, I'm reading a book on the Thirty Years War. Did you know (rhetorical question in a room of 434 people) that they had an Electoral College? Seven people. |
| 03:13.32 | pantalaimon | i want to delete every file named desktop.ini that are inside a directory or inside any subdirectory of it... is there any simple command for that? |
| 03:13.44 | Z_Morek | jsn: actually it's x86 |
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| 03:13.51 | Z_Morek | mattl: fc3 |
| 03:14.09 | Z_Morek | jsn: I was sick of bloated fc3 so I decided to move to debian and with my capture card and tv out it's been troublesome |
| 03:14.26 | mattl | bed for me. |
| 03:14.53 | jsn | well, i don't know from "capture cards." |
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| 03:15.04 | dendrite | pantalaimon: find /directory/path -name desktop.ini -exec rm {} \; |
| 03:15.08 | jsn | I bought a CaptyTV and it produces a format which I could never get read in any good format. |
| 03:15.40 | jsn | I recorded the first 24 hours of the Iraq War on Fox News. O! Triumphalism! O! Expecations! |
| 03:15.52 | Z_Morek | jsn: my goal is to get mythtv working again |
| 03:16.09 | jsn | I haven't even heard of MythTV, sounds legendary. |
| 03:16.21 | Z_Morek | jsn: it's been in development for a long time |
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| 03:16.37 | Z_Morek | jsn: it's a while suite really... mimics tivo to an extent |
| 03:16.39 | w0ls0n | hello all. |
| 03:16.47 | jsn | Sounds my brand new operating system, which has all the features of the OS you love, and none of the ones you hate. It's called Hype! |
| 03:16.47 | pantalaimon | dendrite, thanks ill try it |
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| 03:17.09 | w0ls0n | I am a FreeBSD user and I am helping a friend of mine wiht his box. He is using vpopmail with mysql and I can't seem to login to mysql |
| 03:17.21 | jsn | pantalaimon, {} is the file found by find, and \; ends the -exec command |
| 03:17.28 | w0ls0n | everytime I stop and start it manually, it doesn't seem to want to work correctly |
| 03:17.33 | Z_Morek | w0ls0on: is he running debian? |
| 03:17.41 | w0ls0n | but if I reboot the box, mysql is running |
| 03:17.44 | w0ls0n | yes he is |
| 03:17.51 | w0ls0n | sorry |
| 03:17.58 | Z_Morek | just checking |
| 03:18.01 | w0ls0n | forgot to mention that tiny bit of info :-) |
| 03:18.07 | jsn | /etc/init.d/mysql-server restart ? perhaps? |
| 03:18.14 | quiet | it's okay, i thought it was obvious. |
| 03:18.32 | w0ls0n | theres only mysql |
| 03:18.36 | w0ls0n | not mysql-server |
| 03:18.45 | jsn | ok, i use postgresql myself |
| 03:18.51 | jsn | a much better free DB |
| 03:19.03 | jsn | also a nice channel #postgresql on freenode |
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| 03:19.22 | w0ls0n | doesn't help me |
| 03:19.26 | w0ls0n | vpopmail needs mysql |
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| 03:24.53 | jsn | Well, if mysql needs to start or stop, /etc/init.d/mysql is the way to stop or start it |
| 03:25.07 | w0ls0n | right |
| 03:25.17 | w0ls0n | when I start it using that init script this is what I get |
| 03:25.57 | w0ls0n | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 03:27.20 | jsn | that's a mysql issue, then, not so much debian |
| 03:27.30 | jsn | basically, you don't have access to your own database. |
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| 03:28.27 | JoelR | Hello i have a problem with xfce, when i log in using xfce it enters but it doesn't show me any panels or menues.. anyone have idea what could be causing that problem? |
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| 03:40.13 | w0ls0n | how do I edit the startup options for debian? like if I want to tell mysql to startup? |
| 03:41.36 | Z_Morek | init.d? |
| 03:41.59 | w0ls0n | so anything in init.d comes up on startup? |
| 03:42.05 | dendrite | w0ls0n: man update-rc.d |
| 03:42.14 | dendrite | w0ls0n: No, Not quite that simple. |
| 03:42.15 | w0ls0n | ty |
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| 03:43.20 | dendrite | w0ls0n: /etc/init.d contains scripts, but it's how they're symlinked to from /etc/rc2.d that controls their starting. (Default debian runlevel is 2) |
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| 03:45.38 | Cooner750 | I got the old 233Mhz Pentium board to power up. It has 16MB of RAM in it right now, certainly not enough for Debian |
| 03:45.59 | Cooner750 | brb |
| 03:46.18 | nopcode | lol what a waste of time |
| 03:46.31 | Rusty1 | JoelR, /join #xfce |
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| 03:47.16 | mrrcparish | 16mb of ram |
| 03:47.45 | mrrcparish | my lil sisters old school game boy probley uses more than that |
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| 03:50.17 | inlinefour | LOL |
| 03:50.45 | pantalaimon | dendrite, that command is not removing the files... |
| 03:51.15 | dendrite | pantalaimon: Did you cut and paste it or type it exactly? |
| 03:51.22 | pantalaimon | dendrite, i added -i to the rm, it asks me if i want to remove but at the end they are still there |
| 03:51.34 | scorn | Just / partition drive, loaded boot loader onto it, for some reason it is still mounting the old drive as / |
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| 03:51.46 | pantalaimon | i typed find albuns -name desktop.ini -exec rm -iv {} \; |
| 03:51.58 | dendrite | pantalaimon: That's a problem with rm then. What happens if you rm -i one of them? |
| 03:52.13 | pantalaimon | dendrite, let me see |
| 03:52.21 | dendrite | pantalaimon: I suspect permissions... |
| 03:52.30 | scorn | in grub, in menu.lst I have have the new drive / partition specified, and it doesn't complain, but still goes to the old / partition on the hard drive I'm trying to get rid of. |
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| 03:52.51 | pantalaimon | dendrite, its not removed too |
| 03:52.53 | cooner750 | I've got a real FTP problem here |
| 03:53.12 | dendrite | pantalaimon: what does ls -l tell you about the file you can't delete? |
| 03:53.27 | scorn | any ideas? |
| 03:53.37 | dendrite | pantalaimon: paste the one line here. |
| 03:53.40 | pantalaimon | dendrite, -rwxrwxrwx |
| 03:53.46 | cooner750 | I did chown -R proftp /var/www to give full ownership to give the user proftp. It works now, but connecting and uploading files (even over the internal network) is HORRIBLY slow. Any help? |
| 03:54.04 | pantalaimon | dendrite, and im root :p |
| 03:54.26 | dendrite | pantalaimon: What about the directory it's in? What are its perms? |
| 03:54.34 | roby | I'm having troulbe getting css for dvd reading: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/example/install-css.sh gives this error: make: dh_testdir: Command not found. Any ideas? |
| 03:55.32 | pantalaimon | dendrite, theyre all 777 |
| 03:55.50 | dendrite | pantalaimon: OK, is the partition these files reside in mounted rw? |
| 03:56.01 | cooner750 | Anyone know what my issue could be?, #proftpd seems dead |
| 03:56.29 | pantalaimon | dendrite, no... its on my Desktop |
| 03:56.56 | dendrite | pantalaimon: No what? |
| 03:57.13 | dendrite | pantalaimon: So all these files are in or under your home directory? |
| 03:57.14 | pantalaimon | dendrite, ah sorry, yes it is mounted |
| 03:57.22 | dendrite | pantalaimon: Mounted read/write? |
| 03:57.53 | pantalaimon | dendrite, hm yes i think |
| 03:57.57 | pantalaimon | dendrite, /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 03:58.24 | dendrite | pantalaimon: And you just have one partition on your disk, and this isn't on a CD? |
| 03:58.41 | pantalaimon | dendrite, its weird... i can delete the desktop.ini by just clicking on it and deleting |
| 03:59.05 | dendrite | Yeah, that is weird. |
| 03:59.06 | pantalaimon | dendrite, i have 2 partitions, and this one is on the hd |
| 03:59.27 | pantalaimon | dendrite, maybe if i use the old noob tatic... |
| 03:59.32 | pantalaimon | dendrite, reboot |
| 03:59.33 | roby | oh, fixed my problem, i needed to install debhelper package so that dh_testdir is available |
| 03:59.34 | pantalaimon | :P |
| 03:59.41 | dendrite | pantalaimon: Heh. Ewww. |
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| 03:59.59 | dendrite | pantalaimon: I'd probably strace a rm, to try to see wtf. |
| 04:01.00 | pantalaimon | dendrite, hm? whats strace? :p |
| 04:01.28 | dendrite | pantalaimon: Syscall tracing. Lets you see what goes on behind the scenes. |
| 04:02.00 | pantalaimon | i dont know how to do it |
| 04:02.16 | dendrite | pantalaimon: I'd say rm not removing files is pretty serious. If the GUI also couldn't I'd be wondering about file attributes, but not in this case... |
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| 04:03.08 | pantalaimon | dendrite, wait a moment let me try the noob thing... i has already worked sometimes |
| 04:03.21 | pantalaimon | it* |
| 04:03.24 | dendrite | pantalaimon: Try 'strace rm <file>' |
| 04:03.41 | dendrite | pantalaimon: and see what the return code of the call to 'unlink' is. |
| 04:03.58 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 04:04.07 | bbelt16ag | find is not recursive on my system |
| 04:04.22 | nopcode | bbelt16ag: wtf? |
| 04:04.26 | bbelt16ag | its not |
| 04:04.27 | dendrite | bbelt16ag: Symlinks? |
| 04:04.32 | pantalaimon | dendrite, bash: strace: command not found |
| 04:04.33 | bbelt16ag | i get 51 lines and then it just stops |
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| 04:04.55 | bbelt16ag | does it have problem with folder names like : my cool mp3 folder/ |
| 04:04.58 | bbelt16ag | with spaces?? |
| 04:05.04 | dendrite | pantalaimon: apt-get install strace |
| 04:05.21 | nopcode | no just with gay folder names ;P |
| 04:05.35 | bbelt16ag | how about ones that wrap around my screen ? |
| 04:05.50 | bbelt16ag | i swear the people who made these folders down know what they doing... |
| 04:05.55 | bbelt16ag | insane |
| 04:06.28 | JordiGH | 48 minutes left. |
| 04:06.47 | nopcode | bbelt16ag: it shouldnt have problems with that |
| 04:06.58 | pantalaimon | dendrite, unlink("desktop.ini") = 0 |
| 04:07.00 | nopcode | bbelt16ag: maybe your terminal does, try piping into a file and look at that with a text-editor |
| 04:07.16 | dendrite | pantalaimon: And yet the file is still there? |
| 04:07.22 | dendrite | pantalaimon: = 0 means no error. |
| 04:07.39 | pantalaimon | o.O now it isnt |
| 04:07.48 | nopcode | hehe |
| 04:07.56 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:07.59 | JordiGH | 'Twas the night bifore dist-upgrade / all throughout the box. |
| 04:08.02 | dendrite | pantalaimon: *shrug* |
| 04:08.17 | pantalaimon | dendrite, does it make sense? haha |
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| 04:08.27 | pantalaimon | dendrite, let me try the command again then |
| 04:08.33 | dendrite | JordiGH: All the daemons were sleeping, without their oplocks. |
| 04:08.49 | JordiGH | dendrite: Damnit. I couldn't complete it myself. :P |
| 04:09.28 | dendrite | When out on the disk there spun up such a platter. |
| 04:09.49 | dendrite | That I SIGTERM'd Tux Racer to see what was the matter. |
| 04:10.10 | dendrite | I think I need sleep. |
| 04:10.22 | pantalaimon | dendrite, i type find albuns -name desktop.ini -exec rm -iv {} \; ... then it asks if i want to delete... then i run the same command and it do the samething |
| 04:10.50 | dendrite | pantalaimon: And you are telling it that you do want to delete, yes? |
| 04:12.03 | pantalaimon | dendrite, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dammit im so dumb |
| 04:12.03 | pantalaimon | dendrite, i just type enter |
| 04:12.04 | pantalaimon | rrrrrrr |
| 04:12.05 | dendrite | pantalaimon: Try 'y' |
| 04:12.09 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Don't be so hard on yourself, mate. Happens in the best of families. |
| 04:12.34 | dendrite | JordiGH: =) |
| 04:12.37 | pantalaimon | hahahaah shit that was stupid |
| 04:12.49 | pantalaimon | dendrite, thanks now it worked |
| 04:12.51 | dendrite | pantalaimon: Well, at least I didn't have you looking for rootkits... |
| 04:12.59 | JordiGH | I got a reply from debian-wnnp. I feel so special. I hope someone picks up my package. |
| 04:13.18 | petriborg | what package did you make |
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| 04:15.21 | JordiGH | petriborg: Didn't make it. Requested it for packaging. Singular, a CAS for polynomial arithmetic. |
| 04:16.00 | JordiGH | petriborg: I was so ecstatic that a prof finally endorsed using free software (probably unwittingly, but hey), that I ran to Debian and see if it was there... wasn't, so I asked it for packaging. |
| 04:16.32 | petriborg | ah i see |
| 04:16.45 | petriborg | sorry to hear your prof's aren't big on OSS :( |
| 04:17.17 | JordiGH | petriborg: They mostly don't know what it is. There's not much of a free culture in .mx. The Beast From Redmond runs amok. :-( |
| 04:17.18 | petriborg | the profs at the UofM are pretty big on it, i have to say its impressive |
| 04:17.21 | scorn | After installing a new hard drive for / and /boot partitions, do I need to re-create the initrd image? |
| 04:17.27 | JordiGH | petriborg: Ann Arbor? |
| 04:17.30 | inlinefour | petriborg, you go to the u of m? |
| 04:17.35 | petriborg | UofM is minnesota |
| 04:17.40 | inlinefour | twin cities? |
| 04:17.41 | petriborg | i did |
| 04:17.46 | inlinefour | oh |
| 04:17.52 | petriborg | i've been done a while now :-) |
| 04:17.52 | inlinefour | i'm going to the duluth campus |
| 04:17.52 | nopcode | whats the tool called that can measure throughput through a pipe |
| 04:17.52 | nopcode | ? |
| 04:18.00 | inlinefour | first year this fall |
| 04:18.01 | inlinefour | :) |
| 04:18.03 | petriborg | cool |
| 04:18.10 | petriborg | take prof maclin's classes |
| 04:18.15 | inlinefour | lol |
| 04:18.18 | inlinefour | what class is that? |
| 04:18.55 | petriborg | it changes from year to year, but i took CS1, compilers, & databases with him |
| 04:19.01 | petriborg | all excellent |
| 04:19.07 | inlinefour | coool |
| 04:19.14 | inlinefour | so he teaches at duluth campus as well? |
| 04:19.26 | petriborg | i went to duluth sir |
| 04:19.27 | petriborg | :-) |
| 04:19.32 | inlinefour | :-O |
| 04:19.37 | JordiGH | nopcode: A valve? |
| 04:19.37 | inlinefour | i thought you attended twin cities |
| 04:19.45 | petriborg | i did for a while there too |
| 04:19.47 | petriborg | i went to both |
| 04:19.49 | petriborg | heh |
| 04:19.50 | inlinefour | oh |
| 04:19.54 | inlinefour | which one first? |
| 04:19.58 | petriborg | duluth first |
| 04:20.05 | inlinefour | trasnferred? |
| 04:20.12 | petriborg | brb |
| 04:20.45 | nopcode | JordiGH: =) |
| 04:21.00 | JordiGH | nopcode: Sorry. :P |
| 04:22.02 | nopcode | well there supposedly is a nice tool |
| 04:22.03 | nopcode | that you can put into a pipe |
| 04:22.03 | nopcode | taht shows you throughput etc |
| 04:22.25 | petriborg | inlinefour: no i finished my undergrad in duluth and did some grad courses in the TC for the hell of it later |
| 04:23.15 | nopcode | cpipe! |
| 04:23.16 | nopcode | thats it |
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| 04:23.25 | petriborg | in duluth, there is also gary shute is easy, but you never learn anything from him |
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| 04:23.34 | w0ls0n | how can I find otu what version of maildrop I have installed? |
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| 04:23.47 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: apt-cache policy maildrop |
| 04:23.51 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I installed ssh and it worked for that boot, but how do I get it to auto-start on bootup? |
| 04:24.08 | JordiGH | Silent_Chaos[CAN: I believe it already is auto-started for bootup. |
| 04:24.12 | gozz | any one here use doscan? |
| 04:24.17 | crille | excuse me, does anyone have a good tutorial link for getting the temperature sensors to work in debian? |
| 04:24.25 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | putty cant access the box |
| 04:24.39 | w0ls0n | ok maildrop is very old on this box. |
| 04:24.58 | w0ls0n | Installed: 1.5.3-1.1sarge1 |
| 04:25.04 | w0ls0n | current is 2.02 |
| 04:25.11 | w0ls0n | do I just install the source? |
| 04:25.26 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: apt-get install maildrop |
| 04:25.30 | gozz | or could somone recomend a good ip port scanner? |
| 04:25.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | jordiGH, I cant access my linux box with putty... how do i check if ssh is running? |
| 04:26.02 | inlinefour | petriborg: cool |
| 04:26.05 | JordiGH | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Uh, if you can't acces it, then.... are you on it? Can you ssh into localhost from that machine? |
| 04:26.08 | inlinefour | what did you major in? |
| 04:26.17 | w0ls0n | the one thats installed is too old |
| 04:26.21 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: after doing apt-get update by the way. |
| 04:26.30 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: Yeah. "install" also means "upgrade". :-) |
| 04:26.47 | w0ls0n | hmmm |
| 04:26.50 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i dont know if I can... is there a putty for linux? |
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| 04:27.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i just want to access my linux box from my windows machine |
| 04:27.09 | w0ls0n | maildrop is already the newest version. |
| 04:27.13 | w0ls0n | ?? |
| 04:27.15 | JordiGH | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Yes.... I tried it out, but it doesn't do anything OpenSSH doesn't do, as far as I could tell. |
| 04:27.15 | Exrai | ok, WTF! In xchat when I type gentoogod: so i finally stood up and asked her to repeat, thinking maybe shes drunk |
| 04:27.16 | Exrai | gentoogod: i swear to god she looked at me straight faced and repeated it. and her 2 sons were beside her mad that they didnt get the order they wanted |
| 04:27.20 | Exrai | oops |
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| 04:27.41 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: Did you do apt-get update first? And did apt-cache policy tell you that a new version was available? And why do you want to upgrade anyways? |
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| 04:28.16 | w0ls0n | well on my frebsd box maildrop is 2.0.2 |
| 04:28.17 | bbelt16ag | oh well still not working |
| 04:28.28 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.35 | w0ls0n | and this one is 1.something |
| 04:28.45 | w0ls0n | 1.5.4 ? |
| 04:28.53 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: Security concerns? Functionality concerns? Anyways, it looks like the newer version of maildrop must be in etch or sid. I take it you're running sarge. |
| 04:28.56 | bbelt16ag | i am such a dork |
| 04:29.00 | bbelt16ag | i just figured it out |
| 04:29.09 | bbelt16ag | i dont have that many ogg files yet DUH |
| 04:29.12 | w0ls0n | yes running sarge |
| 04:29.12 | w0ls0n | us1:/home/vpopmail/domains/declub.info/wolson/Maildir/new# apt-cache policy maildrop |
| 04:29.13 | w0ls0n | maildrop: |
| 04:29.13 | w0ls0n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:29.21 | gozz | you cant tell me that no one here has or uses a port scanner |
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| 04:29.34 | JordiGH | gozz: nmap? |
| 04:29.41 | bbelt16ag | nessus is suppose to be good, |
| 04:29.44 | bbelt16ag | nmap |
| 04:29.48 | w0ls0n | should I just install the newest source then? |
| 04:29.49 | bbelt16ag | ah forgot to install it |
| 04:30.39 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: Oh, I guess you're right. Sid's version is old. If you want to, I guess you should get it from source... but do you have a good reason to override apt? You really need a newer version? |
| 04:30.42 | gozz | can i search miltiple ips for same port? |
| 04:30.43 | |ryan| | how does one one find out the refresh rate on a screen? |
| 04:31.17 | w0ls0n | I really do need the newer version |
| 04:31.19 | JordiGH | |ryan|: Newer monitors usually have a menu that tells you what their refresh rates are. For older monitors, you're supposed to consult their manuals and documentation. :-/ |
| 04:31.30 | w0ls0n | my vpopmail patch and .qmail file requires the newer version |
| 04:31.44 | |ryan| | JordiGH: It's an iMac |
| 04:31.47 | w0ls0n | configure: error: pcre.h not found - install PCRE from www.pcre.org |
| 04:31.54 | w0ls0n | any packages for that? |
| 04:31.56 | JordiGH | w0ls0n: Looks like Debian failed you, then. :-/ Get the newer version from source, then. |
| 04:32.28 | JordiGH | |ryan|: Well, I'm sure Apple publishes information about its hardware somewhere. Tried a web search yet? |
| 04:32.35 | tonsofpcs | how do I install security updates? |
| 04:32.41 | inlinefour | petriborg? |
| 04:32.53 | |ryan| | JordiGH: There's a way to get that info from X, though. |
| 04:33.27 | JordiGH | |ryan|: Yes, there is. Monitors are supposed to answer a certain request... |
| 04:33.35 | w0ls0n | oh this will work |
| 04:33.35 | JordiGH | |ryan|: But I forget what it is.. |
| 04:34.24 | |ryan| | JordiGH: The monitor will use what ever refresh rate the grafics card throws at it |
| 04:34.31 | gozz | i dont think this will work i need to enter a range of ip addresses and scan them for a specific port |
| 04:34.59 | JordiGH | |ryan|: Then just use whatever looks good. :-) |
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| 04:35.40 | |ryan| | I was wondering what it was at because my eyes are getting uncomfortable. |
| 04:35.57 | JordiGH | |ryan|: Higher refresh rates are better. |
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| 04:36.25 | |ryan| | yeah, it looks like it's 75Hz |
| 04:36.35 | pagey | I get a "hal" error when mounting usb flash drives in kde3.5.4? |
| 04:36.38 | JordiGH | |ryan|: That's kinda low. Can you go higher? |
| 04:36.49 | |ryan| | I'm not sure. |
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| 04:38.41 | JordiGH | Hmm, the Apple website gives buzzwords, but I can't find actual information on refresh rates. :-/ |
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| 04:39.33 | |ryan| | I'm used to about 80HZ |
| 04:40.24 | JordiGH | Doesn't that thing come with a manual? :P |
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| 04:40.41 | |ryan| | it's a rather old |
| 04:40.46 | |ryan| | someone gave it to me |
| 04:40.59 | JordiGH | Hmm... this could be relevant: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/displayconfigx.html |
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| 04:41.45 | |ryan| | according to xvidtune it supports up to 117Hz |
| 04:42.00 | |ryan| | but i'm not sure what the max dot clock is |
| 04:42.43 | JordiGH | |ryan|: How about this: is there anything like a model number visible on the monitor? |
| 04:43.21 | |ryan| | it's an iMac |
| 04:43.32 | |ryan| | the monitor is not seperate |
| 04:43.43 | bbelt16ag | is there a library for running .wmv files in linux? |
| 04:43.45 | |ryan| | it is built in, and has no adjustment controls. |
| 04:43.47 | JordiGH | |ryan|: There's still more than one kind of iMac. |
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| 04:44.03 | |ryan| | bbelt16ag: use the win32 libraries with mplayer |
| 04:44.10 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:44.12 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: There isn't one in Debian due to patent problems. You can get it from the unofficial marillat repositorioes. |
| 04:44.20 | |ryan| | JordiGH: well... |
| 04:44.51 | |ryan| | JordiGH: again, according to the CRT, the max hsync rate is 60kHz |
| 04:45.01 | JordiGH | !debian-multimedia |
| 04:45.01 | dpkg | well, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 04:45.13 | |ryan| | which means the only vsync rate i can use is 75HZ |
| 04:46.05 | bbelt16ag | !marillat.sarge |
| 04:46.06 | dpkg | marillat.sarge is, like, marillat's repository for sarge/stable. To add the repository, su root, cd /etc/apt and then: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" >>sources.list -OR- echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" >>sources.list ..... then apt-get update |
| 04:46.21 | scorn | what does mkinitrd.yaird use to determine which partition it will use for /? |
| 04:47.20 | JordiGH | |ryan|: If you let debconf do an autodetect, what happens? |
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| 04:47.30 | Nowak | how do i disable ipv6 in apt-get ? |
| 04:47.42 | Nowak | or at leach change priority so ip4 is first |
| 04:47.49 | gozz | JordiGH is there a way to make nmap look for a specific service on a port? |
| 04:48.04 | JordiGH | gozz: I actually know nothing about nmap. But there are good tutorials online. |
| 04:48.05 | |ryan| | Nowak: the only real way to fully disable ipv6 system way is to remove the kernel modules |
| 04:48.39 | Nowak | |ryan|: well, i dont want to disable ipv6 globally, just so apt-get wont wait for v6 ... |
| 04:48.53 | Nowak | or try to dl over v6 when v4 is avaliable |
| 04:49.11 | Nowak | problem is the host has both A and AAAA records |
| 04:49.12 | |ryan| | i donno |
| 04:49.35 | |ryan| | use a mirror that doesn't have AAAA records? |
| 04:50.00 | Nowak | |ryan|: great solution indeed lol |
| 04:50.28 | bbelt16ag | does it install the win32 lib when i install mplayer or do i got to specify it? |
| 04:50.48 | |ryan| | there's probably a package |
| 04:50.48 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: I believe you have to specify it. |
| 04:51.01 | bbelt16ag | anybody got an idea of what its called? |
| 04:51.03 | |ryan| | arg, this POS doesn't work at above 75hz at 1024x768 |
| 04:51.06 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: win32codecs or something like that. |
| 04:51.09 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:51.20 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: Finding out what it's called is what apt-cache search is for. =) |
| 04:51.26 | bbelt16ag | well its not in the repositority |
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| 04:52.01 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: I thought you had no qualms about using legally dubious software... didn't you add the Marillat repository to your sources.list ? |
| 04:52.08 | w0ls0n | anyone here ever use .qmail files with debian? |
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| 04:52.28 | bbelt16ag | found it |
| 04:52.33 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 04:52.45 | bbelt16ag | w32codecs |
| 04:52.58 | JordiGH | bbelt16ag: You can use apt tools with any repository, as you have presumably just discovered. |
| 04:53.10 | bbelt16ag | i know that |
| 04:53.24 | bbelt16ag | well, any debian pkg repo |
| 04:53.26 | bbelt16ag | right? |
| 04:53.31 | Cooner750 | w32codecs? If anyone needs help finding that package I have a link that will help a lot |
| 04:53.35 | bbelt16ag | i couldnt use apt-get to get slack packages could it |
| 04:54.39 | Cooner750 | i got my P233 board running although it has only 16MB RAM, which I doubt is enough to run Debian alone, but even worse with Apache, PHP, and MySQL |
| 04:55.19 | JordiGH | Cooner750: What link could that possibly I wonder? And yes, 16 megs of ram is quite cramped. |
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| 04:56.06 | deadcat_ | anyone feel suicidal? http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 04:56.14 | Cooner750 | JordiHG: https://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/12/04/libdvdcss2-and-w32codecs-for-ubuntu/ |
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| 04:56.23 | JordiGH | Cooner750: Wrong distro. |
| 04:56.24 | Cooner750 | Obviously works for Debian too |
| 04:56.28 | Cooner750 | I use it |
| 04:56.34 | JordiGH | Cooner750: Use marillat instead. |
| 04:56.40 | Cooner750 | Ubuntu is based on Debian /.... |
| 04:56.43 | w0ls0n | omfg |
| 04:56.52 | JordiGH | Cooner750: But is not Debian. Just use http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 04:59.26 | JordiGH | I hope this base-config package aptitude is removing isn't anythig important... |
| 04:59.30 | JordiGH | !info base-config |
| 05:00.04 | JordiGH | Looks like it doesn't exist anymore. Funny that is. |
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| 05:02.11 | Viaken | Bit of an odd question...has anyone in here tried to migrate from Ubuntu to Debian...by changing the repos in their apt-sources? |
| 05:02.48 | JordiGH | Viaken: Heh. I seriously doubt it will work, but I've never tried it. |
| 05:02.59 | Viaken | I know the preferred method would be to format and reinstall, but the masochist in my wants to try. |
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| 05:03.22 | JordiGH | Viaken: Make a webpage about it if you do. |
| 05:03.30 | Viaken | It's a deal. |
| 05:03.50 | Viaken | Definately won't be for at least a week, though. Finals week... |
| 05:03.52 | JordiGH | Viaken: Like those pages that describe what actually happens when you execute The Command Whose Name We Do Not Speak as root. |
| 05:04.34 | Viaken | You mean the "r-phrase"? |
| 05:04.54 | JordiGH | Viaken: SSHH!! |
| 05:05.00 | Viaken | hehehe |
| 05:05.19 | Viaken | Ok..well..back to work. :P |
| 05:05.32 | odla | Viaken: you'll have to go to sid if you're running dapper |
| 05:05.46 | Viaken | odla: Oh? |
| 05:05.59 | odla | Viaken: definitely not sarge, maybe, maybe etch |
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| 05:06.07 | Nowak | anyone got wireshark build for deb stable (with all the deps) ? |
| 05:06.07 | Viaken | Well, I was thinking etch. |
| 05:06.11 | odla | Viaken: make sure you read about pinning |
| 05:06.20 | Viaken | alrighty then :) |
| 05:06.22 | odla | Viaken: if you use pinning you might be able to go etch |
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| 05:07.15 | Viaken | Since this probably isn't going to be a stable result, I don't see why I can't go sid anyway... |
| 05:07.29 | scorn | how cat I force or trick yaird into using a new root partition? |
| 05:07.36 | scorn | cat == can sorry |
| 05:08.27 | Viaken | Thanks for the tip! |
| 05:08.33 | scorn | yaird keeps forcing the use of an old root partition drive, I want it to use a new drive for the root partition, the initrd is the 1 hold up. |
| 05:09.21 | scorn | cant boot new drive without initrd, and make good initrd without booting correct drive. |
| 05:09.34 | Nowak | scorn: chroot ;) |
| 05:09.41 | scorn | Nowak: not working. |
| 05:09.50 | Nowak | it has to |
| 05:09.53 | scorn | Nowak: still forcing use of old drive. |
| 05:10.12 | scorn | fstab it correct, but mtab is horked after chroot |
| 05:10.49 | JoelR | I have one question, when i'm on the console, and i write: "startx" it starts X and gets into xfce4, no problem here, but if i select "xfce session" from gdm it enters in it, but it doesn't show up well.. |
| 05:10.54 | scorn | new drive is mounted as root partition, good /boot is mounted, and /proc and /sys are mounted. |
| 05:11.24 | scorn | Still making initrd using old drive that has been dead about 4 hrs. |
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| 05:17.34 | scorn | anyone? |
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| 05:32.43 | wireddd | as soon as I throw away the box for my hard drive, it starts dieing on me |
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| 05:42.15 | tuv | odla, install acpid and acpi and do "acpi -V". there is a number of graphical tools reporting cpu temp. i use gkrellm |
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| 05:59.47 | Cooner750 | Got major sound problems all of the sudden |
| 06:00.02 | Cooner750 | trying to start ESD gets the sound repeating itself over and over like it's stuck |
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| 06:00.31 | Cooner750 | how can I kill all sound systems? |
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| 06:05.32 | khaije1 | afaik there isn't a central mgmt interface b/c there are different soundsystems that can even co-exist |
| 06:05.56 | khaije1 | if you know it's esd, all you need to do is kill the ESD daemon process, that should do the trick |
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| 06:15.48 | sid | When there is an openoffice.org update + java update(as there was for sid a few hours ago), it's 122 megs +, now the new openoffice.org(2.0.3-6) that is being updated now is 99.9% the same compared to the older version(2.0.3-5), but even though it's 99.9% the same I need to download the entire packages again? |
| 06:16.08 | sid | There is no like diff or something that can be done with apt-get, and only install what has changed? |
| 06:16.20 | sid | Or I guess 99.9% of the source code is the same, but the binary is very different perhaps? |
| 06:16.57 | odla | what's the command to update debian's menu? is it update-menu? |
| 06:17.13 | sid | update-menus odla |
| 06:18.33 | odla | thanks |
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| 06:21.07 | evilgeek | update-menus. i seem to remember it being broken. |
| 06:21.39 | evilgeek | sid: i don't think debian stores diffs for packages along with the packages themselves. it would just be a huge pain in the ass. |
| 06:21.51 | sid | evilgeek: I know it doesn't. |
| 06:21.58 | sid | evilgeek: I was more asking a theory question |
| 06:22.15 | sid | Like would the binaries be very similar(99.9?) like the source code is |
| 06:22.21 | evilgeek | sid: particularly since people have been known to hack things like config files and thereby render them distinct from the official debian config file. |
| 06:22.39 | evilgeek | the short answer is "maybe." |
| 06:23.02 | sid | I mean I don't care that much, I have 10mbit download. But I was just curious. |
| 06:23.08 | evilgeek | the problem is that there are things in the package that can be modified by the user. having a diff would be hugely impractical. |
| 06:23.28 | evilgeek | see, this problem arises from the fact that both openoffice and java are incredibly bloated pieces of software. |
| 06:23.57 | evilgeek | instituting some weird diff mechanism isn't the right solution. encouraging people to write good software is the right solution. |
| 06:24.01 | sid | Well hopefully when Sun open sources Java in October which they said they would...it can get slimmed down. |
| 06:24.12 | petriborg | 99% of the packages no one cares for a diff because they are only a few MB at most |
| 06:24.22 | evilgeek | yeah, since open-source developers totally love doing that. |
| 06:24.41 | petriborg | heh doubt that sid, it will still be a big package |
| 06:24.44 | sid | petriborg: eh, I thought the same thing. But a lot of people on really slow connections care a lot. |
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| 06:24.55 | sid | petriborg: Why do you think everyone with apt-get has the diff system for apt-get update now |
| 06:24.59 | petriborg | at best it will get broken up into libs maybe |
| 06:25.11 | sid | apt-get update takes me like 10 minutes to do,(with two debian.org lines in my sources.list) |
| 06:25.24 | evilgeek | and they have such a good track record, what with openoffice, KDE, gnome, and firefox. |
| 06:25.25 | Klowner | anyone know if there's a way to forcibly reboot a machine? |
| 06:25.32 | sid | Because it's usings diffs to download the least amount of data possible. ANd that's very affective for not downloading a lot. |
| 06:25.35 | Klowner | like, stab init in the face, or something |
| 06:25.46 | sid | But if you haven't done apt-get update in awhile, it will take a long time to do the apt-get update and get the diffs. |
| 06:25.47 | petriborg | shutdown -h now isn't working klowner? |
| 06:25.58 | evilgeek | Klowner: alt-sysrq-b? |
| 06:26.18 | petriborg | sid that would just be the package list though yeah? |
| 06:26.19 | evilgeek | Klowner: kill -9 1 would cause the system to halt, if that's acceptable. |
| 06:26.20 | Klowner | petriborg: nope, the box freaked out, everything is mounted read-only.. It did this a few months ago, and a simple reboot made it behave |
| 06:26.24 | sid | Klowner: reboot -f |
| 06:26.30 | sid | petriborg: yes |
| 06:26.50 | petriborg | package list is a little different then an entire package which may or may not be simple to update |
| 06:27.05 | sid | petriborg: But my point is, the package lists are just a few meg, if that. But for whatever reason this got implemented into Debian. A lot of developing nations and other persons have really slow bw. |
| 06:27.11 | evilgeek | sid: i actually don't like debian's package list diffs. they take longer than just the package list itself to download, since i don't apt-get update very often. |
| 06:27.18 | Klowner | trying the kill -9 1.. doesn't, seem to be doing anything |
| 06:27.23 | petriborg | oh i agree sid it would be nice |
| 06:27.30 | sid | evilgeek: right, they take longer for us. We're on high speed connections. |
| 06:27.39 | evilgeek | oh, point. |
| 06:27.42 | sid | evilgeek: But for someone with 56 k, it probably is faster with the diffs |
| 06:27.58 | sid | Which, I'm not sure about the numbers. But there are a huge amount of dial up people still. |
| 06:28.03 | evilgeek | i hadn't thought of that, actually. it's still weird. |
| 06:28.17 | sid | yea, it's weird and annoying |
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| 06:28.29 | sid | YOu can turn it off in the apt conf I believe. I'm just too lazy to open the file. haha |
| 06:28.34 | evilgeek | (there *is* less data; is the overhead of sending a bunch of little files that high?) |
| 06:28.56 | evilgeek | i have more pressing files to open, like the one i'm supposed to edit before i see my advisor tomorrow. |
| 06:29.10 | sid | evilgeek: I guess. There is a mailing list discussion about it. I haven't actually done benchmarks measures how much bandwidth goes through |
| 06:29.18 | Klowner | I guess I'll have to just drive down there and hit the switch |
| 06:29.38 | evilgeek | see, it would be awesome if the debian server would just send a tarball or something. |
| 06:30.04 | evilgeek | (since tar is essentially a zero-cost operation and whatnot.) |
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| 06:30.23 | sid | APT::Get::Diff-Only |
| 06:30.39 | sid | That is if you want the diff, and if you don't apt.conf should have "APT::Get::Tar-Only" |
| 06:30.49 | sid | I _think_, I just skimmed man apt-get really quickly. |
| 06:30.56 | evilgeek | spiffy. |
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| 06:31.16 | evilgeek | (a tarball of the diffs, though, would make the most sense.) |
| 06:31.23 | Klowner | I'd try magic sysrq but I'm only ssh'ing in |
| 06:31.31 | evilgeek | Klowner: oh. |
| 06:31.44 | sid | What will be interesting..is if Ubuntu Eft(which I've never used Ubuntu) implements SMART package manage system |
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| 06:31.57 | sid | Then SMART gets pushed into unstable and goes on top of apt/with apt |
| 06:32.13 | sid | Because I believe I've seen a few apt developers talk about how ugly apt is behind the hood. |
| 06:32.32 | Talisker[w] | How do I install all the deps for a package without actually installing the package itself? |
| 06:32.37 | sid | apt works awesome, arguably the best out of any other in it's field. But behind the hood the code is pretty scary I've heard. |
| 06:32.39 | apt | sid: what are you talking about? |
| 06:32.56 | sid | So SMART is starting to be implemented in some places. |
| 06:33.01 | Talisker[w] | apt doesn't work that awesome :/ |
| 06:33.08 | sid | Talisker[w]: apt-get build-dep package |
| 06:33.20 | sid | Talisker[w]: That will install ALL the deps for building the package from sourec. |
| 06:33.26 | sid | not for using the package. |
| 06:33.32 | evilgeek | shit that works tends to be ugly under the hood. |
| 06:33.33 | sid | well not only for using the package |
| 06:33.49 | Talisker[w] | that's what I need |
| 06:33.54 | Talisker[w] | damn installation failed on me |
| 06:34.00 | Talisker[w] | so I'm installing everything manually |
| 06:34.04 | sid | So if I want to compile gnome say, I need gnome-dev and a ton of dev packages, but if I just want to run gnome quick and install the binary, I don't need those -dev package. |
| 06:34.10 | sid | But to compile from source you need the dev stuff |
| 06:34.12 | Talisker[w] | evilgeek, are you the same evilgeek from EFnet? |
| 06:34.17 | evilgeek | yes. |
| 06:34.28 | Talisker[w] | Can i ask a non debian question in PM? |
| 06:34.37 | evilgeek | sure, why not. |
| 06:34.40 | Talisker[w] | cool |
| 06:34.58 | evilgeek | freenode is goofy, though, and i have no idea what i need to do in order to let random people /msg me. |
| 06:35.07 | evilgeek | oh, nothing apparently. |
| 06:35.26 | odla | evilgeek: you need to register |
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| 06:36.48 | Talisker[w] | evilgeek, are you getting my PMs? |
| 06:36.57 | liable | root__: dont irc as root! |
| 06:37.10 | inlinefour | is vsftpd probably the best ftp? |
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| 06:37.29 | erpo | Hi all. I need to connect to a windows machine running ultravnc from a linux laptop. The ultravnc server is using the AES encryption plugin. How can I do this? |
| 06:37.36 | odla | evilgeek: /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 06:37.54 | odla | evilgeek: and if you're not registered... /msg nickserv register <password> |
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| 06:38.27 | Talisker[w] | I think I upset him... |
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| 06:39.20 | Talisker[w] | Is there any guide out there that teaches how to use apt to the max? All guides I find on google are for idiots |
| 06:39.38 | inlinefour | hmm |
| 06:39.45 | liable | !apt howto |
| 06:39.45 | dpkg | somebody said apt-howto was at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
| 06:39.45 | inlinefour | apt-get shows you a set of commands |
| 06:40.27 | Talisker[w] | but it doesn't show all of them |
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| 06:40.35 | Talisker[w] | like the man page |
| 06:40.54 | Talisker[w] | I needed the install-dep, for instance, and I had to ask on the chat for it |
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| 06:41.39 | liable | theres also apt-doc |
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| 06:42.28 | Jazon | hi everyone. i just bought a numreic keypad and want to disable the fn-key numeric keybad on my nec laptop. is there a quick and easy way to do that so i can use the external keypad at the same time as my keyboard without the silly overlaid numbers interfering? |
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| 06:45.50 | inlinefour | where's the vsftpd file you can edit? |
| 06:45.52 | cureless | darn it, I just "lost" my amarok/mysql db on the last dist-upgrade. |
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| 06:47.15 | Si_tech | I upgraded from sarge to etch by just changing the stable to unstable in my sources.list and I am now having problems with no login screen. Can anyone please help. |
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| 06:48.20 | inlinefour | does vsftpd support sftp? |
| 06:48.45 | cureless | Si_tech, what is your problem with login? |
| 06:48.57 | karhai | hey is there a way to downgrade perl-base? i've got 5.8.8-6.1 but i need to have 5.8.4-8sarge4 |
| 06:48.57 | cureless | inlinefour, what sftp are you talking about? |
| 06:49.26 | karhai | i cant install perl without that version: "perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-8sarge4) but 5.8.8-6.1 is to be installed" |
| 06:49.27 | inlinefour | cureless, ssh i think |
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| 06:49.43 | cureless | inlinefour, in that case what you need is ssh, not vsftpd |
| 06:49.45 | inlinefour | i just want a secure way to transfer my web pages to my server |
| 06:49.50 | inlinefour | oh ok |
| 06:50.03 | inlinefour | vsftpd only works on standard ftp protocol? |
| 06:50.05 | Si_tech | cureless, I can login on a command line (white on black) and then run xinit to get an xwindow but no gnome desktop. |
| 06:50.11 | cureless | inlinefour, I don't remember if sftp is enabled by default, I think it is, otherwise it's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:50.25 | cureless | Si_tech, have you tried installing gnome? |
| 06:50.41 | inlinefour | thanks cureless |
| 06:51.03 | cureless | inlinefour, btw, you can transfer files with scp too, sftp is useful if you need to browse and stuff, otherwise just use scp and be done with it. |
| 06:51.14 | Si_tech | cureless no. I had it in stable and I just run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. |
| 06:51.28 | cureless | Si_tech, so, let's see, your X works right? |
| 06:51.33 | Talisker[w] | Whoa, apt can do so much more then I thought it can |
| 06:51.40 | inlinefour | oh |
| 06:51.48 | inlinefour | i prefer to browse so i'll use sftp |
| 06:51.50 | inlinefour | :) |
| 06:52.03 | Si_tech | cureless yes I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:52.08 | cureless | inlinefour, if you're using a graphical thing like konqueror, there are graphical programs for that too. |
| 06:52.27 | inlinefour | you mean like firefox? |
| 06:52.32 | cureless | inlinefour, konqueror supports sftp:// as well as fish:// (files over ssh, in case sftp is not enabled) |
| 06:52.48 | inlinefour | woah |
| 06:52.57 | inlinefour | didn't know konqueror supported sftp |
| 06:53.00 | inlinefour | i wish firefox did |
| 06:53.02 | inlinefour | :( |
| 06:53.04 | cureless | Si_tech, ok, try apt-get install gnome, it might take a while, you might want to install something like xfce4 first to see that everyhing works. |
| 06:53.10 | karhai | no way to downgrade perl huh :( |
| 06:53.13 | cureless | inlinefour, firefox is a browser. |
| 06:53.27 | cureless | karhai, there are probably ways, unistall what you have, install the other version |
| 06:53.45 | cureless | karhai, you can use pinning or tweak your sources file. |
| 06:53.56 | karhai | cureless, the problem is when i try to remove it, apt gives me 97 other things it will remove :\ |
| 06:54.02 | cureless | karhai, do keep in mind that other programs might depend on it. |
| 06:54.14 | cureless | karhai, well, in that case you might be out of luck. |
| 06:54.17 | liable | Si_tech: just so you are aware, unstable is not etch, its sid |
| 06:54.22 | karhai | crap :( |
| 06:54.27 | cureless | I'm not a perl person so I can't say, |
| 06:54.32 | Si_tech | cureless thank you. I have an x window but I can only run onething at time so I will have to shut down xchat to do apt-get. Thank you for your help. |
| 06:54.35 | inlinefour | cureless, what sftp client do you recomend for windows? |
| 06:54.44 | cureless | but debian is good at keeping multiple version of files/programs/libs |
| 06:55.03 | sid | Si_tech: apt-get install x-window-system-core xorg gnome gdm |
| 06:55.05 | cureless | there might be a perl package that can coexist and give you the other version (I have no idea, once again, I don't really do perl) |
| 06:55.12 | karhai | but theres no option to "downgrade" ? |
| 06:55.21 | cureless | Si_tech, you don't have to shut down anything. |
| 06:55.29 | Si_tech | liable sorry. I will have to get the names right. I just use unstable in sources.list |
| 06:55.35 | cureless | Si_tech, just run startxfce or gnome or something from that window |
| 06:55.42 | cureless | Si_tech, or, run "startx" as opposed to xinit. |
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| 06:55.48 | liable | Si_tech: np, just letting you know |
| 06:56.10 | cureless | karhai, the problem is a lot of the other packages depend on it, so you're kind of out of luck., |
| 06:56.20 | Si_tech | cureless I have to shut down xchat. startx is not working xinit works ... now |
| 06:56.22 | cureless | you can try to uninstall it and all of it's dependencies, but that might not help you. |
| 06:57.01 | cureless | Si_tech, ok, shut down xchat, but keep in mind that you can run any progr.... never mind. |
| 06:57.25 | karhai | cureless, the prob is that one of the dependancies is ssh, which kinda prevents me from reinstalling it for another day heh |
| 06:57.38 | cureless | ? |
| 06:57.48 | karhai | for removing perl-base |
| 06:57.49 | cureless | are you installing remote? |
| 06:57.59 | karhai | well i'm connected remotely |
| 06:58.27 | cureless | in theory things will work even if you uninstall something you are working on/in, but that is the theory, and there are plenty of cases where it's not true. |
| 06:58.37 | Talisker[w] | Is it just me, or did gaim just rolled back their site as if the newest release never existed? |
| 06:58.40 | inlinefour | jesus cureless, you talk like a bot |
| 06:58.47 | inlinefour | you reply so quickly |
| 06:58.47 | inlinefour | :p |
| 06:58.50 | karhai | i suppose the hard way is to reinstall all 97 dependencies it nukes? |
| 06:58.51 | cureless | Remote instalation/removal of something you're using and are not sure and havent tried before is not recommended. |
| 06:59.04 | cureless | "like a bot" is that a compliment? |
| 06:59.08 | inlinefour | eyah |
| 06:59.10 | inlinefour | yeah* |
| 06:59.14 | inlinefour | of course :) |
| 06:59.25 | cureless | karhai, that is not a problem, that's why apt is so good. |
| 06:59.29 | inlinefour | do you recomend putty for a ssh client for windows? |
| 06:59.32 | cureless | The question is, do you know what you need? |
| 06:59.42 | cureless | I use putty when in windows, yes. |
| 07:00.08 | karhai | i was planning on just jotting down everything it removes, and then putting it all back after the "downgrade" aka remove/reinstall of perl-base |
| 07:00.14 | karhai | all 97 :\ |
| 07:00.42 | cureless | karhai, you could ... or you could use get-selections and set-selections |
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| 07:00.48 | cureless | karhai, man dpkg. |
| 07:01.04 | karsten | cureless: ssh specifically *doesn't* kill client connections on remove/upgrade, though if you happen to lose that connection, you're sorta hosed. |
| 07:01.17 | Azar | pax does not support files larger than 2GB |
| 07:01.20 | karsten | inlinefour: PuTTY's decent, but its keyfile format differes from openssh. |
| 07:01.25 | karsten | Azar: man split |
| 07:01.40 | cureless | karsten, I know, I've done it before, but he's removing 97 packages, and I can't promise anything over irc. |
| 07:01.51 | Azar | thank you karsten, did you see the bug report? |
| 07:01.52 | karhai | no promises expected :) |
| 07:01.52 | inlinefour | i like putty, very clean and small |
| 07:01.54 | inlinefour | :) |
| 07:01.56 | karsten | karhai: Use aptitude. It logs what it installs/removes. |
| 07:02.21 | karsten | karhai: Or you can log what's done yourself (say, with 'script') and install the removed packages. |
| 07:02.24 | karsten | Azar: Nope |
| 07:02.39 | karsten | Azar: What bug report |
| 07:02.51 | Azar | at launchpad: https://launchpad.net/distros/debian/+source/pax/+bug/56764 |
| 07:03.20 | inlinefour | is there a graphical interface for putty? |
| 07:03.24 | inlinefour | like a ftp client |
| 07:03.38 | cureless | inlinefour, for windows? |
| 07:03.39 | karsten | Azar: 2GB filesize limits are still pretty common. Standard workaround is to split data into smaller chunks with, eg: split. |
| 07:03.44 | liable | inlinefour: you might want winscp |
| 07:03.44 | karsten | inlinefour: putty *is* a GUI client. |
| 07:03.46 | inlinefour | so my friends can easily transfer their web pages back and forth |
| 07:03.53 | karsten | inlinefour: cygwin |
| 07:03.56 | Azar | karsten: great advice, thanks |
| 07:04.08 | karsten | Azar: NP. |
| 07:04.11 | inlinefour | well putty opened up a command line |
| 07:04.12 | inlinefour | lol |
| 07:04.15 | cureless | inlinefour, the "official" ssh has a gui thing. |
| 07:04.23 | Azar | im not gonna hack pax, I am not crazy |
| 07:04.24 | cureless | I've always hated it. |
| 07:04.37 | liable | does it? |
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| 07:05.18 | inlinefour | unless i installed the wrong putty |
| 07:05.19 | inlinefour | =\ |
| 07:05.20 | Talisker[w] | http://pastebin.ca/140103 <--- does this error message mean anything to anyone? |
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| 07:06.00 | karsten | Azar: Of course, I'd tend to avoid pax and use good old GNU tar instead. |
| 07:06.19 | inlinefour | cureless, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html |
| 07:06.21 | cureless | Talisker[w], you have a couple of undeclared things, maybe not using the right version of some include/libs |
| 07:06.21 | inlinefour | this one, right? |
| 07:06.22 | karhai | ok giving it a shot |
| 07:06.39 | cureless | inlinefour, what are you asking me about, the graphical thing? |
| 07:06.44 | inlinefour | yeah |
| 07:06.44 | liable | inlinefour: you start putty with a gui, but yes, it drops you to command prompt. take a look at winscp |
| 07:06.46 | inlinefour | for putty |
| 07:06.49 | Azar | karsten: was testing it just out of curiosity |
| 07:06.50 | Talisker[w] | cureless, any chance you'd be more specific? |
| 07:07.06 | Talisker[w] | I used apt-get build-deb for the include and libs |
| 07:07.20 | cureless | Talisker[w], no, I compile stuff and can tell you the error the compiler gives you, but I've no idea what libraries those are. Check the dependencies and try to upgrade those. |
| 07:07.48 | cureless | inlinefour, I said to download the official one (from ssh.com) |
| 07:08.01 | inlinefour | ah |
| 07:08.16 | cureless | inlinefour, even though I don't like it. |
| 07:08.17 | liable | Talisker[w]: do you have any errors higher up? |
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| 07:08.48 | Talisker[w] | yeah |
| 07:08.48 | inlinefour | oh |
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| 07:08.58 | inlinefour | but you said you used putty yourself |
| 07:09.01 | Talisker[w] | I'll paste the entire buffer, two secs |
| 07:09.01 | inlinefour | hmm |
| 07:09.34 | Talisker[w] | how do I direct errors to a file? |
| 07:09.35 | karsten | cureless: Y'know, virtualy nobody uses ssh.com. |
| 07:09.38 | cureless | inlinefour, yes, I use putty, but I don't use a gui. I don't use Windows normally. |
| 07:09.43 | Talisker[w] | make 2 >> foo ? |
| 07:09.55 | inlinefour | oh |
| 07:10.05 | cureless | karsten, doesn't make a difference to me. But I do know that it has a graphical sftp/ssh client. |
| 07:10.37 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: to direct output >> isnt necessary. |
| 07:10.38 | karsten | cureless: Tatu Ylonen did good for the world in creating SSH. Tangling with world+dog in a trademark dispute was a real CLM. |
| 07:10.38 | unix_infidel | if you want to ADD / APPEND to a file >> is necessary. |
| 07:10.38 | karsten | cureless: Sure. As does PuTTY. |
| 07:10.45 | Talisker[w] | so I should use > ? |
| 07:10.46 | cureless | karsten, it does? I |
| 07:10.51 | inlinefour | last question, for good server practices, is it best to run without gnome? |
| 07:10.54 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: if its a new file. yes. |
| 07:10.58 | cureless | I've never really used the gui, just the console |
| 07:11.05 | inlinefour | i plan on running a debian web server |
| 07:11.08 | inlinefour | i see |
| 07:11.17 | sid | inlinefour: It doesn't matter. |
| 07:11.21 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: but say you want to prepare a list of files of different music types, but you have to use different commands but you only want one file. |
| 07:11.29 | cureless | I tend to like gnomes running my servers but these days they are so hard to get. |
| 07:11.33 | unix_infidel | you'd use >> because you want to add to that one file. |
| 07:11.39 | Talisker[w] | unix_infidel, yeah, I got the gist? |
| 07:11.43 | inlinefour | are you on debian right now cureless? |
| 07:11.45 | Talisker[w] | s/?/' :)' |
| 07:11.51 | inlinefour | you must have gnome installed to use x-chat |
| 07:11.52 | cureless | inlinefour, what do you think? |
| 07:11.53 | inlinefour | =\ |
| 07:12.18 | cureless | inlinefour, I'm on debian on all of my machines... except my Mac... which I'm tempted to turn to debian. |
| 07:12.22 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: LOL, check out some basic docs or reference stuff, its a good idea if you're doing some interesting stuff. |
| 07:12.23 | liable | inlinefour: no, you dont need gnome for xchat, you need gtk |
| 07:12.27 | SpeedyG | cureless: thats because they're always busy cleaning up my room :p |
| 07:12.32 | Azar | :) |
| 07:12.46 | inlinefour | how do you linux gurus game? |
| 07:12.47 | inlinefour | :p |
| 07:12.54 | Talisker[w] | I wish I had the time for this :/ |
| 07:12.56 | Talisker[w] | I don |
| 07:12.56 | Azar | huh? |
| 07:13.00 | cureless | I grab my bow and arrow and hut elk in the forest. |
| 07:13.05 | inlinefour | lol |
| 07:13.09 | inlinefour | fair enough |
| 07:13.13 | Talisker[w] | 't thing installing a pack from source is sucha thrilling experiance tho |
| 07:13.14 | cureless | hence, game. |
| 07:13.27 | Talisker[w] | game >> gaim |
| 07:13.32 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: i'd stick to binary distro's |
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| 07:13.43 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: what about gaim? |
| 07:13.51 | Talisker[w] | unix_infidel, sometimes the binaries aren't up to date |
| 07:13.51 | unix_infidel | there are tons of gaim binaries out and available. |
| 07:13.52 | cureless | inlinefour, every once in a while I play a windows game, civ and wow being the last 2. |
| 07:13.57 | Azar | to use a chat client, play games, music, use firefox , openoffice.. gnome or kde are not essential |
| 07:14.01 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: usually there are backports of more commonly used apps. |
| 07:14.21 | unix_infidel | especially gaim. |
| 07:14.30 | Talisker[w] | I was only suggesting that hunting deers is better then spending my time on on gaim |
| 07:14.40 | Talisker[w] | "game >> gaim" |
| 07:14.42 | inlinefour | azar, so would that be just like chatting in terminal? |
| 07:14.59 | Azar | I open up an xterm and use irssi |
| 07:15.12 | inlinefour | not familiar with that... |
| 07:15.17 | Talisker[w] | unix_infidel, the version of ion3 available on the apt repos is just old enough to drive, barely... |
| 07:15.19 | cureless | inlinefour, not necessarily. You can use some other desktop environment and still use xchat. |
| 07:15.19 | inlinefour | is there color at least? |
| 07:15.20 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: heh, whatever, i'd take a plain ole target and a USP than a deer and a heavy old shotgun. |
| 07:15.21 | inlinefour | lol |
| 07:15.31 | Azar | inlinefour: I only use X with a background image, and openbox as manager |
| 07:15.32 | unix_infidel | or a rifle. |
| 07:15.44 | cureless | inlinefour, irssi is a fully functional irc program. |
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| 07:15.52 | inlinefour | ah |
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| 07:16.01 | cureless | that includes color. |
| 07:16.09 | inlinefour | so pretty much debian users don't need to upgrade their computers |
| 07:16.19 | inlinefour | all the fancy graphics aren't needed |
| 07:16.20 | inlinefour | :p |
| 07:16.27 | Azar | sure, and great games with sound , 3D...etc |
| 07:16.36 | cureless | don't confuse need with want. |
| 07:16.48 | cureless | irc definitelly doesn't need you to upgrade anything. |
| 07:16.56 | inlinefour | true |
| 07:17.03 | inlinefour | pretty much gaming? |
| 07:17.07 | inlinefour | that requires upgrading |
| 07:17.12 | Talisker[w] | http://pastebin.ca/140126 <--- complete error log |
| 07:17.20 | cureless | ... mostly |
| 07:17.22 | inlinefour | unless you require a big server |
| 07:17.30 | Azar | inlinefour: not the games, the newer hardware |
| 07:17.46 | inlinefour | like? |
| 07:17.51 | karsten | inlinefour: servers tend to be better w/o X in general: overhead and flakiness. |
| 07:17.52 | cureless | yes, strangely enough, some hardware forces you to upgrade lots of other hardware. |
| 07:17.53 | inlinefour | what software requires you the new hardware? |
| 07:18.19 | `ns` | newer games seem to require newer vid cards .... |
| 07:18.22 | Azar | inlinefour: higher kernels come with support for new hardware |
| 07:18.30 | inlinefour | hmm |
| 07:18.30 | cureless | inlinefour, dual-dvi requires a dual-dvi card. |
| 07:18.45 | inlinefour | 64bit too i guess |
| 07:18.47 | inlinefour | :) |
| 07:19.15 | cureless | most people don't need 64 bits (as of now, don't quuote me 15 years from now) |
| 07:19.17 | Azar | all sort of crazy gadgets that I never need... |
| 07:19.19 | inlinefour | it makes a nice heater |
| 07:19.27 | unix_infidel | inlinefour: i wish i had a functional CRT |
| 07:19.34 | `ns` | 19" crt here, about 8 years old :) |
| 07:19.35 | unix_infidel | mine keeps on changing horizontal and vertical sizes. |
| 07:19.40 | unix_infidel | everytime the monitor moves. |
| 07:19.40 | inlinefour | trust me, you don't want a CRT in the summer |
| 07:19.40 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 07:19.45 | inlinefour | my room is literally 90 degrees |
| 07:19.56 | inlinefour | add a prescott CPU |
| 07:19.56 | liable | Talisker[w]: what are you building? it looks like its not compiling properly, because the files that dont exist, look like they should come from that package |
| 07:19.57 | unix_infidel | inlinefour: i hear that. |
| 07:19.59 | inlinefour | -___- |
| 07:19.59 | cureless | I've been spoiled for a while, I can't live without dual lcds. |
| 07:20.08 | Talisker[w] | celsius |
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| 07:20.12 | Talisker[w] | liable, ion3 |
| 07:20.16 | SpeedyG | inlinefour: i've got 3 17" CRT, they're nice in the winter :D |
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| 07:20.26 | unix_infidel | LOL |
| 07:20.29 | Azar | plus an LCD can run on a battery backup for 3 hours or more, while the CRT will suck that power in half hour |
| 07:20.30 | unix_infidel | but in the summer its killer. |
| 07:20.32 | inlinefour | lol |
| 07:20.35 | SpeedyG | hehe yep |
| 07:20.37 | xri | Hey all, I just apt-get install menu, now where can I find the menu program?? |
| 07:20.48 | liable | Talisker[w]: are you following the instructions? is there some othe lib or something else you havent compiled yet? |
| 07:20.51 | inlinefour | i used to run dual 20" lcds |
| 07:20.54 | inlinefour | sold those though |
| 07:21.03 | inlinefour | dell 2005fpw specifically |
| 07:21.05 | cureless | inlinefour, that's me, widescreen |
| 07:21.07 | Talisker[w] | I think I know what the problem is |
| 07:21.09 | cureless | same ones I have. |
| 07:21.11 | haga | is it possible for two computers to share the same harddrive? |
| 07:21.12 | inlinefour | lol |
| 07:21.15 | inlinefour | they're a bargain |
| 07:21.25 | xri | anyone? |
| 07:21.28 | unix_infidel | cooling bills must be expensive with that 3 crt setup :P |
| 07:21.32 | Talisker[w] | wait, I don't |
| 07:21.37 | SpeedyG | i'd rather invest in better pc's than in other monitors |
| 07:21.40 | Azar | xri, what menu are you talking about? |
| 07:21.43 | inlinefour | i couldn't handle more than 1 CRT |
| 07:21.44 | inlinefour | =\ |
| 07:21.48 | Talisker[w] | It seems as though the compiler is unable to handle one of the c files, as if it's broken or something |
| 07:21.51 | xri | Azar: apt get install menu |
| 07:21.52 | liable | xri: its a cli program |
| 07:21.56 | unix_infidel | how much is a cheap 17 inch CRT now a days? |
| 07:21.57 | Talisker[w] | What's a CRT? |
| 07:22.04 | Azar | xri, menu for what? |
| 07:22.06 | Talisker[w] | Oh, a tube screen |
| 07:22.08 | unix_infidel | Talisker[w]: monitor. |
| 07:22.09 | xri | liable: how do I execute it? |
| 07:22.10 | cureless | unix_infidel, free with computer purchase. |
| 07:22.11 | inlinefour | cathode ray tube |
| 07:22.11 | inlinefour | :p |
| 07:22.20 | SpeedyG | unix_infidel: I wouldnt know.. I got all three of them for free |
| 07:22.26 | liable | xri: man menu :P |
| 07:22.27 | cureless | unix_infidel, where are you located? some places ahve them for free |
| 07:22.27 | inlinefour | although i wouldn't mind one of those 24" sony CRTs |
| 07:22.28 | haga | they don't even sell CRTs nomore, you find LCDs nowadays |
| 07:22.28 | unix_infidel | SpeedyG: yea, i'm thinking thrift store. |
| 07:22.33 | Azar | xri, you refer to a desktop manager/ |
| 07:22.33 | SpeedyG | (well, in exchange for one, I had to give my phone number :P) |
| 07:22.39 | xri | liable: alright |
| 07:22.44 | xri | Azar: wtf? |
| 07:22.53 | unix_infidel | its for my family computer. |
| 07:22.56 | Azar | gah.. it was a ? not a / |
| 07:23.10 | xri | same answer :/ |
| 07:23.13 | unix_infidel | i think the cables are messed up on our previous 200 dollar 21 inch CRT. |
| 07:23.22 | inlinefour | i'm going to bed |
| 07:23.25 | inlinefour | thanks for the help everyone |
| 07:23.26 | unix_infidel | everytime i move the monitor the cables move and the horizontal ratio changes :P |
| 07:24.01 | inlinefour | btw, traceroute www.piratebay.org |
| 07:24.06 | inlinefour | it's funny at the end |
| 07:24.15 | unix_infidel | ? |
| 07:24.16 | haga | is it possible for two computers to share the same harddrive? |
| 07:24.41 | inlinefour | haga, from a hardware prespective, i dont think so |
| 07:24.53 | SpeedyG | lol inlinefour |
| 07:24.56 | SpeedyG | hey.mpaa.and.apb.bite.my.shiny.metal.ass.thepiratebay.org |
| 07:24.59 | inlinefour | b/c you only have one ide/sata |
| 07:25.13 | inlinefour | lol speedyg |
| 07:25.14 | `ns` | haga, depends on which hardware |
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| 07:25.50 | Azar | any new exciting games for sarge? or at least for etch? |
| 07:25.53 | inlinefour | do you guys mind asking me what you think about RHEL? |
| 07:26.01 | deadcat_ | which package in experimental has AIGLX? |
| 07:26.16 | cahoot | inlinefour: confusing |
| 07:26.17 | `ns` | haga, most external stuff can be shared with a swtching box, forget the proper name |
| 07:26.19 | SpeedyG | inlinefour: I don't like the fact that you have to pay for updates |
| 07:26.29 | haga | let's say ill connect the two heads of the cable to both mobo and the middle one to the harddrive |
| 07:26.31 | haga | what you think |
| 07:26.33 | crazy_penguin | Good morning everyone! :) |
| 07:26.43 | cureless | ... or night... or noon |
| 07:26.47 | inlinefour | SpeedyG, centos? |
| 07:26.55 | SpeedyG | dunno, never worked with |
| 07:27.11 | cureless | inlinefour, we like debian |
| 07:27.11 | inlinefour | i downloaded the dvd |
| 07:27.14 | `ns` | haga, that will fry things :) |
| 07:27.17 | inlinefour | i'll play with it tomorrow |
| 07:27.26 | inlinefour | although |
| 07:27.33 | inlinefour | debian is nice because it's so lean |
| 07:27.38 | inlinefour | 150mb CD? |
| 07:27.42 | inlinefour | something like that |
| 07:27.45 | liable | deadcat_: i installed xserver-xorg-core this morning, logs appear to show aiglx starting |
| 07:28.06 | deadcat_ | liable: ah.. thanks. i was just reading the changelog but it doesnt say. |
| 07:28.10 | liable | deadcat_: compiz is freaking out though :( |
| 07:28.22 | Azar | I use it at work as the phone accounting server, is a misery, not maintained, full of bugs |
| 07:28.24 | deadcat_ | liable: compiz from where? you compiled? |
| 07:28.37 | liable | deadcat_: ya, liable.mine.nu/xgl |
| 07:28.50 | unix_infidel | haga: i think its better of you just pxe boot to that hd. |
| 07:28.58 | deadcat_ | liable: cool |
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| 07:29.38 | i2501 | how to encrypt a single file? |
| 07:29.45 | unix_infidel | man gpg |
| 07:29.48 | i2501 | nvm...i will google irst... |
| 07:29.50 | deadcat_ | i2501: bcrypt |
| 07:29.52 | i2501 | ok...ty |
| 07:29.55 | Talisker[w] | "config.status: WARNING: system-ac.mk.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting" |
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| 07:31.07 | deadcat_ | liable: compiz is that small? |
| 07:31.19 | liable | deadcat_: if you are gonna try that compiz package, dont use that compizrc, its for xgl, not aiglx |
| 07:31.27 | liable | deadcat_: yeah |
| 07:31.28 | deadcat_ | k |
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| 07:32.35 | liable | deadcat_: gentoo has a wiki entry on aiglx if you want the compizrc for aiglx |
| 07:33.37 | deadcat_ | liable: k. i currently have xserver-xorg-{core,input-kbd,input-mouse,input-nv} i just need xserver-xorg-core from experimental right? |
| 07:34.35 | liable | deadcat_: yeah, try it, thats all i installed and added the aiglx line in xorg.conf, and it appears to start, from what the log says, compiz starts, but its not quite right |
| 07:34.59 | deadcat_ | liable: thanks.. do i REALLY need a 1gig cpu or better? (= |
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| 07:35.11 | liable | deadcat_: you can spin the cube, but the screen is 2/3 the size and fucked up |
| 07:35.24 | deadcat_ | ah |
| 07:36.37 | liable | deadcat_: no idea what cpu you need |
| 07:36.43 | deadcat_ | for some reason, i cant ctrl+alt+f{1,2,3,4,5,6} to a console |
| 07:36.48 | deadcat_ | i have to chvt 1 |
| 07:37.51 | wizzomafizzo | if i choose to install debian sarge instead of using testing, is it possible to make the nvidia non-free drivers more up to date? i'd rather use sarge but the nvidia drivers in it are too out of date for my card |
| 07:38.05 | liable | deadcat_: oh, prolly want to get the libgl1-mesa shits from exp too |
| 07:38.54 | liable | deadcat_: i spent most of last night compiling xorg, only to fing out at the end of the night that 7.1 made it to exp :/ |
| 07:39.12 | deadcat_ | liable: hahahah.. damn |
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| 07:39.25 | liable | hehe, yeah :) |
| 07:39.39 | deadcat_ | libgl1-mesa-glx right? |
| 07:39.45 | liable | and dri |
| 07:40.12 | deadcat_ | when i startx, do i look for aiglx in the log file? |
| 07:40.37 | liable | yeah, it should be mentioned, you need to add a line in xorg.conf for it though |
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| 07:40.56 | deadcat_ | the compisite line right? and the line for nvidia |
| 07:41.38 | liable | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX |
| 07:41.49 | deadcat_ | thanks |
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| 07:42.41 | liable | deadcat_: check the *shudder* ubuntu forums too, theres some info regarding xorg.conf stuff there too |
| 07:42.41 | i2501 | how can i just apt-get install X11 headers instead of all x-window-core-dev packages? |
| 07:42.50 | deadcat_ | liable: ah.. AIGLX option |
| 07:43.04 | liable | yeah |
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| 07:43.38 | liable | wizzomafizzo: backports.org might have them |
| 07:44.06 | GiGaHuRtZ|Laptop | How can I remove a package with dpkg or apt and make it leave the deps? |
| 07:44.23 | GiGaHuRtZ|Laptop | I forget the switch basically... |
| 07:44.27 | wizzomafizzo | liable: are you able to access that? i thought of going there, but i can;t access it, i'm getting a 404 |
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| 07:45.16 | liable | wizzomafizzo: yeah, looks like technical difficulties :) |
| 07:46.15 | liable | GiGaHuRtZ|Laptop: dpkg -r --force-depends |
| 07:46.26 | wizzomafizzo | liable: it seems pretty annoying, if i use sarge the drivers are too old, and etch doesn't have them at all |
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| 07:46.42 | liable | wizzomafizzo: such is life :( |
| 07:47.05 | wizzomafizzo | oh it does have them in the pool folder |
| 07:47.17 | wizzomafizzo | i guess im just gonna hve to find the faq to add it somewhere |
| 07:47.27 | wizzomafizzo | oh just install them normally |
| 07:47.36 | wizzomafizzo | thanks for your help |
| 07:47.56 | liable | wizzomafizzo: google doesnt have a cached page for backports? |
| 07:47.59 | liable | meh |
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| 07:59.30 | liable | !qotod0 |
| 07:59.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:59.39 | dpkg | <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
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| 08:01.36 | [Bart] | concac/dpkg some password types only accept 6 password letters/digits |
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| 08:02.03 | liable | heh |
| 08:02.45 | deadcat_ | liable: can i see your xorg.conf |
| 08:02.47 | liable | [Bart]: dpkg is a bot, and the qotd thing is a sorta database of silly things people have said in #debian |
| 08:02.54 | liable | deadcat_: sec |
| 08:03.20 | [Bart] | :p |
| 08:03.42 | [Bart] | I thought so, but I didnt know it was also asking questions :p |
| 08:04.18 | liable | deadcat_:liable.mine.nu /xorg.conf |
| 08:04.33 | liable | [Bart]: :) |
| 08:04.54 | liable | without the space.. |
| 08:05.48 | deadcat_ | ya |
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| 08:07.38 | deadcat_ | liable: damn and all you need is the ati driver from xserver-xorg-video-ati? what about the radeon module from the kernel? |
| 08:08.36 | liable | deadcat_: hrm, well, i compiled dri last night too, so it may be using that.. |
| 08:08.48 | deadcat_ | ah |
| 08:09.02 | liable | deadcat_: but i dont think it is. |
| 08:09.27 | liable | deadcat_: get the driver from exp too, i forgot that i installed that too! |
| 08:09.36 | deadcat_ | k |
| 08:09.54 | liable | deadcat_: gettings errors? |
| 08:09.55 | Tallu | I almost expected things to automatically break a bit when I upgraded to testing but it seems everything went fine. :p |
| 08:10.09 | liable | Tallu: for now :P |
| 08:10.26 | deadcat_ | liable: no. but i am using nvidia. and no ppc package for experimental yet. |
| 08:10.38 | liable | deadcat_: bugger |
| 08:10.54 | liable | deadcat_: is aiglx starting though? |
| 08:11.03 | deadcat_ | liable: ya.. log says enabled |
| 08:11.07 | Tallu | liable: yeah.. hehe. But I figured, what better way to learn this stuff than to let it break a bit and then try and fix it. Since its not a production server or anything. :) |
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| 08:11.48 | deadcat_ | liable: (**) Option "AIGLX" "true" |
| 08:11.48 | liable | deadcat_: try that compiz for me and see if its fucked for you too (or compile it if you dont trust me :P) |
| 08:11.56 | deadcat_ | i trust you |
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| 08:12.34 | liable | deadcat_: it works for xgl for me, but not aiglx, i compiled fresh compiz last night to, same thing.. :( |
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| 08:13.39 | deadcat_ | liable: damn it requires alot of gnome crap )= |
| 08:14.13 | liable | deadcat_: yeah, you can make a kde one, but i had errors when compiling, so i gave up and decided to use gnome.. |
| 08:14.37 | deadcat_ | liable: i dont use neither |
| 08:14.55 | liable | deadcat_: i didnt either, till i wanted to use xgl :P |
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| 08:16.45 | pstickne | where does deb think things like the postgresql datacluster should go? |
| 08:16.52 | liable | deadcat_: why bother with xgl/aiglx if you dont use compiz? |
| 08:17.30 | deadcat_ | liable: i want to test compiz, but i dont need kde/gnome to test it right? |
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| 08:17.55 | pstickne | compiz pulls some gnome stuff iirc |
| 08:18.20 | deadcat_ | i just want to test the alt_tab and the scale plugins |
| 08:19.06 | liable | deadcat_: well, compiz is a window manager, so it replaces metacity or whatever the kde one is, no reason you cant just run compiz without any other shit than the depends it requires |
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| 08:19.28 | deadcat_ | liable: thats what i am thinking too. let me try |
| 08:19.35 | pstickne | apparently the answer to my question is: /var/lib/postgresql/-version-/main |
| 08:20.54 | liable | deadcat_: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xgl see the bits at the bottom, just start the server and run compiz without startx |
| 08:21.43 | liable | deadcat_: but dont use the xserver commands there, jus run /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 08:22.49 | deadcat_ | liable: ok |
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| 08:30.37 | buu | Hrm. |
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| 08:33.13 | werdna_ | http://www.votehemp.com |
| 08:33.33 | liable | werdna_: are you spamming us? |
| 08:33.58 | werdna_ | I am not a bot I am real |
| 08:34.21 | liable | the question still stands |
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| 08:34.33 | [Bart] | werdna_ : can you prove that? :) |
| 08:34.48 | werdna_ | [Bart], you just have to trust me, bot, I am not! |
| 08:34.55 | [Bart] | werdna_ : lol |
| 08:35.25 | wireddd | whats hemp' first name so I will know who to vote for? |
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| 08:39.08 | wireddd | there should be a foss political party |
| 08:39.23 | war95 | Did yesterdays' apt-get upgrade in Etch break anyone else's fonts? (no longer AA)? |
| 08:40.09 | pstickne | it's almost sad to see all these cool debian extensions :-/ |
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| 08:42.34 | war95 | anyone here use etch and reboot after installing the new kde 3.5.4 update? |
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| 08:52.01 | liable | !moo |
| 08:52.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 08:53.22 | `ns` | is the average debian users weight half that of a cow ? scarry ! |
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| 08:54.14 | liable | `ns`: only the ones that live in there mom's basement :) |
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| 08:57.11 | newbcoder | is fuse enabled in the debian stable kernels? |
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| 08:58.28 | azeem | newbcoder: in sarge? I don't think os |
| 08:58.29 | azeem | so |
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| 08:59.18 | cusco | dudes |
| 08:59.36 | cusco | is there a software which allows me to extract the files from a ghost image file.gho? |
| 08:59.36 | liable | y0 |
| 08:59.43 | cusco | good morning by the way :p |
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| 09:00.03 | bart416 | How long does it take to compile a kernel ? |
| 09:00.17 | azeem | bart416: that depends on many things |
| 09:00.20 | bart416 | a small one to get a computer booted |
| 09:00.29 | bart416 | using an AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice :P |
| 09:00.29 | liable | bart416: about the same time as it takes to measure a piece of string |
| 09:00.37 | azeem | bart416: just try it out |
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| 09:00.51 | bart416 | Meh, i need to install vmware again for this tough, oh well |
| 09:01.35 | bart416 | mhhh, found an old ubuntu install |
| 09:01.36 | bart416 | should be sufficient |
| 09:01.37 | liable | bart416: on a fairly recent box ~10-15 minutes |
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| 09:02.31 | liable | fairly=last 3 or so years |
| 09:02.41 | wireddd | so since it takes a little over 3 hours on mine, does that mean its old? |
| 09:02.59 | bart416 | Its propably going to take less time |
| 09:03.06 | bart416 | cause i need to be able tof it this kernel on a floppy |
| 09:03.09 | liable | wireddd: you need the right CFLAGS in make.conf! :P |
| 09:03.28 | bart416 | Going to make my own debian install |
| 09:03.35 | bart416 | If net install doesn't work we'll do it on another way eh :P |
| 09:03.37 | wireddd | i'm just messing around |
| 09:03.48 | liable | wireddd: so was i .. |
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| 09:04.30 | wireddd | how long would it take to compile on say a 386? |
| 09:04.40 | bart416 | mhz ? |
| 09:04.49 | bart416 | wireddd, depends on the modules i guess |
| 09:04.58 | wireddd | the whole thing |
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| 09:05.10 | bart416 | I will propably need to compile a complete kernel on a 120mhz laptop this evening :| |
| 09:05.20 | bart416 | I'm in for a few hours if i don't get hibernate to work |
| 09:05.21 | liable | ouch |
| 09:05.23 | gmak | hello debbers |
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| 09:05.33 | bart416 | hey gmak |
| 09:05.37 | gmak | assup |
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| 09:06.39 | wireddd | bart416, are you going to have x on said laptop? |
| 09:06.59 | bart416 | yeah |
| 09:07.04 | bart416 | but fluxbox i think |
| 09:07.07 | gmak | a w? |
| 09:07.07 | bart416 | I hope i can get the thing installed |
| 09:07.11 | bart416 | First time i'm going to try this |
| 09:07.19 | gmak | hmm what is a w? |
| 09:07.22 | bart416 | I compiled a kernel before but never tried creating own boot disks & installer |
| 09:07.48 | bart416 | But my linux knowledge is limitted :| |
| 09:08.03 | wireddd | bart416, well let me know how it goes, I have an old p120 toshiba I was thinking of resurecting |
| 09:08.06 | bart416 | I can barely configure the network card of the laptop, mainly cause i'm used to use gnome for that |
| 09:08.25 | bart416 | wireddd, i'm going to try on a IBM Thinkpad ... |
| 09:08.26 | liable | gmak: its a letter, forget it, it went 'whoosh' over your head :) |
| 09:08.47 | wireddd | gmak was too busy being assup |
| 09:09.15 | gmak | :) |
| 09:09.40 | gmak | no just not acquainted with the lingo, i am not into "hoodin'" :) |
| 09:10.05 | deadcat_ | liable: dont work. the xserver-xorg-core package from experimental doesnt display all the text from xterm correctly. and it wont start compiz. just crashes X |
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| 09:10.35 | liable | deadcat_: eww, at least it doesnt crash mine. though its unusable at any rate. |
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| 09:11.41 | liable | deadcat_: i did get it to crash last night, but its been good to me today :) |
| 09:11.49 | liable | deadcat_: hard locks even :/ |
| 09:11.59 | deadcat_ | damn |
| 09:12.31 | liable | deadcat_: but that was with my compiled one.. |
| 09:12.35 | bart416 | its experimental for a reason deadcat_ :| |
| 09:12.35 | deadcat_ | liable: one guy from the linuxpicnic today got Xgl and compiz working on his debian box.. |
| 09:12.52 | deadcat_ | bart416: ya. gonna wait till it hits unstable. |
| 09:12.55 | liable | deadcat_: i have xgl working on my other thinkpad |
| 09:13.10 | bart416 | I rather prefer stable stuff |
| 09:13.28 | deadcat_ | bart416: wait 5 years (= |
| 09:13.29 | wireddd | I had both of them working in etch a while back |
| 09:13.29 | bart416 | Less trouble |
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| 09:13.50 | bart416 | deadcat_, bad luck eh :p |
| 09:13.58 | liable | deadcat_: but i had to send the fucker in for warranty work, and its gonna be another week at least till i get it back, so i gave aiglx a whirl on the old one |
| 09:14.28 | pstickne | hmm, I'm just switching over to postgres, does postgres. however it hates text(limit) or string(limit) as data-types |
| 09:15.11 | liable | wireddd: compiz with aiglx? |
| 09:15.21 | deadcat_ | liable: i dont think gravity is gonna work on xgl though. only aiglx and compiz |
| 09:15.42 | pstickne | I'm waiting until a rc7.1 deb package is available :) |
| 09:15.48 | liable | deadcat_: oh well, it aint so hard to compile |
| 09:16.04 | deadcat_ | liable: but lazy |
| 09:16.28 | liable | deadcat_: i was wondering where it would end up, seeing as it depends on proprietry drivers for xgl |
| 09:16.33 | bart416 | does a debian base system support multi volume flopies? |
| 09:16.45 | bart416 | i mean kernel + drivers + basic tools |
| 09:16.56 | liable | deadcat_: he actually said there would be no xgl? |
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| 09:17.32 | deadcat_ | liable: no. but he got aiglx in experimental and said hes gonna work on compiz. without mentioning xgl at all. |
| 09:18.03 | liable | deadcat_: ah, yeah, in the blog? i seen that, one thing at a time i guess :) |
| 09:18.10 | deadcat_ | liable: hehe |
| 09:19.23 | liable | wireddd: did you get aiglx to work with compiz? |
| 09:19.29 | deadcat_ | ootput: oh what up man.. (= |
| 09:19.32 | ootput | deadcat_: :D |
| 09:19.48 | ootput | deadcat_: been a while, hey? Any interesting screenshots to share? |
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| 09:20.20 | deadcat_ | ootput: nah. havent done my new things to the screen shots.. but wrote a photo gallery though (= not using libapache-gallery-perl anymore. |
| 09:20.34 | ootput | ah cool |
| 09:20.57 | deadcat_ | ootput: but it looks/acts the same as libapache-gallery-perl heheh http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/2006/20060815_LinuxWorld_Expo |
| 09:21.47 | deadcat_ | liable: damn i was told today that novell was demo'ing xgl and compiz at their linux booth.. i fucking missed it.. |
| 09:22.12 | liable | deadcat_: theres lots of videos out there :) |
| 09:22.14 | deadcat_ | liable: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/2006/20060815_LinuxWorld_Expo/20060815_canonS230_3286.jpg i didnt know those bitches would actually show something useful |
| 09:22.25 | deadcat_ | liable: i guess. |
| 09:22.46 | liable | deadcat_: its pretty pointless, and i am not one so much for eye candy, but compiz is pretty fucking cool |
| 09:23.10 | deadcat_ | liable: ya. it sure has some useful plugins. |
| 09:23.57 | liable | deadcat_: i woulda thought you would have been onto the xgl bandwagon by now :) |
| 09:24.32 | deadcat_ | liable: not with the hardware i have.. and xgl dont do me good with openbox. (= |
| 09:24.33 | liable | deadcat_: i would like all the thinkpads from that booth! :) |
| 09:24.51 | deadcat_ | liable: ya.. i thought about taking one.. just cut the cable. |
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| 09:28.50 | deadcat_ | ootput: you got any new screenshots? |
| 09:29.05 | syntaxx | i wonder whats wrong on my grub menu.lst i added title winxp rootnoverify (hd0,1) makeactive chainloader +1 then when i update grub it removes my entry |
| 09:29.49 | deadcat_ | syntaxx: those should be in comment right? |
| 09:29.54 | liable | syntaxx: ah, you need to add a bit to mention that its the end of the automagic bits |
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| 09:30.08 | wireddd | liable, I did, but by the time I got everything working, there wasn't alot of debian left... |
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| 09:30.27 | syntaxx | liable: what line do i need to add? |
| 09:30.34 | azeem | ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 09:30.36 | liable | wireddd: did you compile or use ubuntu? |
| 09:30.38 | azeem | syntaxx: add it after that |
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| 09:30.53 | syntaxx | azeem: ok thanks |
| 09:31.23 | syntaxx | azeem: i have that on the last line |
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| 09:31.34 | azeem | syntaxx: so add it after that |
| 09:31.56 | syntaxx | azeem: ok |
| 09:32.59 | syntaxx | thanks ill test it |
| 09:33.15 | ootput | deadcat_: i'll whip something up now. Cosmetically, it's no different to my previous setups.. but shortcut-wise, it kicks serious ass (I'm focusing on eevmode with emacs) |
| 09:33.45 | wireddd | liable, I compiled |
| 09:33.59 | deadcat_ | ootput: goddamn! (= |
| 09:34.31 | liable | wireddd: and aiglx actually played nice with compiz? you got it from cvs/git? |
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| 09:35.29 | liable | wireddd: i take it you have two different boxen you did this on? |
| 09:36.17 | wireddd | I don't really use my laptop all that much and I just wanted to play around with it |
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| 09:37.02 | ootput | deadcat_: http://tinyurl.com/gxnqz :) |
| 09:37.21 | syntaxx | azeem: im getting invalid device requested.. my windows is in hda1 is my line correct? title winxp rootnoverify (hd0,1) makeactive chainloader +1 |
| 09:37.49 | deadcat_ | ootput: it sure aint fancy (= |
| 09:37.53 | ootput | hehe |
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| 09:38.20 | ootput | deadcat_: i got a quad-head matrox card the other day.. haven't installed it yet |
| 09:38.33 | ootput | i have 4 lcds in the basement |
| 09:38.33 | deadcat_ | ootput: damn.. |
| 09:38.41 | azeem | syntaxx: I don't know about windows grub config |
| 09:38.42 | bart416 | ootput, give me one |
| 09:38.44 | deadcat_ | sounds crazy |
| 09:38.55 | syntaxx | azeem: ok thanks |
| 09:39.04 | bart416 | Something that can handle 1280x1024 prefered |
| 09:39.06 | ootput | bart416: :) |
| 09:39.14 | azeem | syntaxx: that's why you should always ask the whole channel for additional questions |
| 09:39.32 | baegle | I'm running a fresh install of Etch, and I'm trying to get NVidia drivers installed. It needs to compile a kernel interface and needs the source tree. I'm running 2.6.12 but I can't find the source for it through apt. Why isn't it there and where can I get it? |
| 09:39.39 | jetscreamer | no syntaxx |
| 09:39.47 | jetscreamer | hda usually is hd0 |
| 09:39.56 | jetscreamer | (but not always) :) |
| 09:40.01 | deadcat_ | baegle: contrib non-free |
| 09:40.03 | liable | baegle: etch doesnt have the nvidia shits at the moment |
| 09:40.05 | ootput | baegle: you won't be able to pull the source from repos in etch |
| 09:40.10 | itchi | I just install apache2. Is it normal that i need to start the file name like so /etc/init.d/apache2.dpkg-new ? |
| 09:40.11 | jetscreamer | err hda1 is usually hd0,0 |
| 09:40.15 | azeem | baegle: fresh install and 2.6.12 don't go together |
| 09:40.23 | azeem | baegle: what exactly did you download? |
| 09:40.23 | liable | indeed |
| 09:40.27 | syntaxx | jetscreamer: oic ok thanks ill try that |
| 09:40.36 | ootput | baegle: one of the top 10 google hits on nvidia + etch source should give you something |
| 09:40.41 | azeem | itchi: no |
| 09:41.01 | baegle | azeem: debian-net installer iso, just dropped it in a ran it through the install process, uname - a says 2.6.12 |
| 09:41.11 | azeem | baegle: debian-net? |
| 09:41.15 | liable | syntaxx: jetscreamer is right, but in some cases (as he said) its not. read /boot/grub/device.map |
| 09:41.28 | itchi | azeem: I had previously apache2 installed, just have remove it with purge, now install it again, and all files end with dpkg-new |
| 09:41.31 | baegle | azeem: yes |
| 09:41.32 | jetscreamer | baegle: the nvidia installer works just fine, and i can spam you a script that's tested in debian, ubuntu, and various live debian based cds |
| 09:41.36 | syntaxx | thanks |
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| 09:41.40 | azeem | baegle: what is that? |
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| 09:42.02 | jetscreamer | but do it the debian way if you want help with it in #fdebian |
| 09:42.04 | baegle | azeem: I'll go look up the real iso name, hold on. It's the net installer |
| 09:42.22 | azeem | baegle: anyway, I suggest you upgrade to the current etch kernel |
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| 09:42.37 | wireddd | beagle you must have gotten the old etch net install cd |
| 09:42.49 | baegle | azeem: debian-testing-i386-netinst |
| 09:43.29 | wireddd | 2.6.15 is whats current in etch I think |
| 09:43.40 | jetscreamer | hey i just upgraded somebody's grandmothers sarge install.... when sarge was in testing :) |
| 09:43.40 | liable | baegle: get the new net-inst, its not a big download |
| 09:43.47 | liable | 2.6.17 now i think |
| 09:43.52 | wireddd | is it |
| 09:43.53 | baegle | wireddd: Doing a dist-uprgade won't give it to me? |
| 09:43.59 | jetscreamer | may2005 |
| 09:44.24 | jetscreamer | i think it's 2.6.17-2 |
| 09:44.33 | jetscreamer | i gave her etch |
| 09:44.52 | liable | and she scratched? |
| 09:44.56 | jetscreamer | no dist-upgrade won't give you new kernel if that's what you asked... but udev will want one |
| 09:46.08 | baegle | I can't believe I missed the new installer by 3 days |
| 09:46.24 | baegle | I dl'ed the installed on Aug 8. The new version was posted aug 11 |
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| 09:46.31 | liable | life is harsh.. :P |
| 09:47.05 | liable | baegle: erm, no etch has had 2.6.15 for a long time now |
| 09:47.11 | itchi | I have rename all the config files of /etc/apache2 that end with dpkg-new to the right one. I restart apache2 and now he complain that /etc/apache2/ports.conf are missing. I have also look if there is an bug report about it, but looks nog. |
| 09:47.14 | liable | the installer.. |
| 09:47.40 | baegle | liable: I didn't get to pick my kernel version. That's what installed from an aug 8 dl of the net install iso |
| 09:47.45 | liable | baegle: i got the etch installer about 2 months ago and its got 2.6.15 |
| 09:48.10 | baegle | my bad, my bad, my bad |
| 09:48.13 | baegle | 2.6.16 |
| 09:48.16 | baegle | not 2.6.12 |
| 09:48.26 | liable | right :) |
| 09:48.52 | baegle | So, should I still get the newest installer? |
| 09:49.25 | liable | heh, in the madness i forgot the problem.. why do you need newer kernel? |
| 09:49.59 | baegle | Right, I was trying to install nvidia the none debian way, but I need to try the debian way by adding non-contrib to my apt sources, I think. |
| 09:50.25 | liable | baegle: ah, right, nvidia stuff isnt in etch atm |
| 09:50.41 | liable | !why is nvidia-kernel not in testing? |
| 09:50.42 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel |
| 09:52.35 | baegle | deadcat_: Why did you respond to me with contrib non-free? What is there that I would need? |
| 09:52.55 | azeem | baegle: the nvidia driver glue code source |
| 09:54.33 | baegle | ah, that makes things simple. Cheers! |
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| 09:56.02 | jetscreamer | baegle: speaking of simple... http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh |
| 09:56.20 | azeem | jetscreamer: uhm, are you supporting that? |
| 09:56.33 | jetscreamer | azeem: i don't have to :) it works |
| 09:56.55 | azeem | jetscreamer: please state your email adress so we can point people your way in case it shouldn't work |
| 09:57.17 | jetscreamer | it's easier than running through the nvidia-installer steps, which i can also do |
| 09:57.20 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 09:57.24 | jetscreamer | lemme pick one |
| 09:57.25 | liable | jetscreamer: i promise not to spam you! :) |
| 09:57.31 | jetscreamer | how about... support@ |
| 09:58.03 | itchi | Someone got strange troubles when installing apache2? config files end with dpkg-new and ports.conf are missing. |
| 09:58.10 | jetscreamer | baegle: see also #nvidia |
| 09:58.21 | azeem | itchi: you mean, when purging and then reinstalling |
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| 09:58.31 | liable | itchi: bugs.debian.org/apache2 |
| 09:58.36 | itchi | azeem: Yes, i have first purge it |
| 09:58.59 | itchi | liable: I have already look with reportbug. I not know if it differ |
| 09:59.03 | liable | itchi: just purged, or you removed stuff to? |
| 09:59.11 | liable | s/to/too/ |
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| 09:59.35 | itchi | I have purge apache2 with synaptic, arg, now that i just for one time use synaptic ;-) |
| 09:59.44 | jetscreamer | but yes, btw, i wouldn't spam that script in here if i wasn't prepared to go all the way |
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| 10:00.03 | jetscreamer | (oh baby eys YES!) |
| 10:00.48 | azeem | dpkg, no nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Use http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh and ask jetscreamer when problems arise |
| 10:00.49 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 10:01.08 | azeem | jetscreamer: thanks for handling that |
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| 10:01.30 | itchi | I look again in the reportbug, we never know, i'm a bit blind, hope the 3de time i find the bug about it |
| 10:01.49 | jetscreamer | dpkg: nvidia is also and if js isn't around see azeem for his schedule |
| 10:01.50 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 10:01.57 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 10:02.02 | liable | haha |
| 10:02.08 | azeem | jetscreamer: eh, no, I don't commit to that |
| 10:02.16 | azeem | dpkg, no nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Use http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh and ask jetscreamer when problems arise |
| 10:02.16 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 10:02.17 | jetscreamer | !forget nvidia |
| 10:02.20 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 10:02.47 | liable | meh, lets just make it as usaul eh? |
| 10:03.29 | azeem | !nvidia |
| 10:03.29 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 10:04.15 | jetscreamer | you really might add 'if you get desperate, try <that script>' ... but whatever. it does work. |
| 10:04.36 | jetscreamer | there's an fglrx one also |
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| 10:06.02 | itchi | Arg, it's looks an new bug of apache2? I'm right? |
| 10:06.07 | lastnode | where can i hav a quick word with a dev tea mmember? |
| 10:06.12 | lastnode | *team member |
| 10:06.13 | itchi | More an package bug, i think |
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| 10:06.53 | azeem | lastnode: just ask here |
| 10:07.32 | lastnode | im working on a program i think might be of interest to the devs. it's a log report tool, and im pretty sure nothing like it exists in the repos. |
| 10:07.51 | azeem | lastnode: file a "request for packaging" bug |
| 10:08.04 | liable | lastnode: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 10:08.22 | lastnode | id like to have a wee chat about a design related issues, and ask some deb specific questions too. is there anyone i can just have a quick chat with? |
| 10:08.26 | lastnode | liable, doing that |
| 10:08.53 | liable | lastnode: also subscribe to lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 10:09.10 | azeem | liable: he didn't say he want to package it, he said he want it packaged |
| 10:09.34 | liable | azeem: oh, my bad |
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| 10:10.00 | lastnode | ill subscribe to the list as well, but if im to catch anyone on irc, #debian-devel seems like the best place, right? |
| 10:10.11 | liable | no |
| 10:10.17 | azeem | lastnode: this channel here is fine |
| 10:10.19 | itchi | Someone running Etch and want to see if there are bug with apache2? Config files end with dpkg-new some others are missing and need to start it as following /etc/init.d/apache2.dpkg-new start |
| 10:10.23 | liable | lastnode: do you want to package it or not? |
| 10:10.36 | war95 | My fonts look horrible after apt-get dist-upgrade (for the past week of updates) in Etch, what happened to GNOME/GTK fonts? noooo :( |
| 10:10.39 | azeem | itchi: .dpkg-new files are left by dpkg |
| 10:10.49 | lastnode | liable, im not sure of the process.. isnt there a peer review or something? |
| 10:11.08 | azeem | itchi: that is expected, what is not expected is that the files themselves are missing |
| 10:11.20 | liable | lastnode: do you just want the package made, or are you thinking of packaging it? |
| 10:11.41 | lastnode | liable, ive already written the code. it's a python script. im thinking of making a .deb out of it |
| 10:11.47 | itchi | azeem: When i remove these manually then he complain about /etc/apache2/ports.conf that are missing |
| 10:11.55 | azeem | itchi: I saw that |
| 10:12.04 | azeem | itchi: the bottom line - don't purge stuff |
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| 10:12.08 | itchi | azeem: Bit bad tell here ^^ |
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| 10:12.39 | liable | lastnode: right, then read the nmg, and join the list, and #debian-mentors is the place to ask about packaging questions (oftc) |
| 10:12.51 | liable | lastnode: but dont go to debian-devel |
| 10:12.54 | itchi | azeem: When i rename it manually i mean ^^ |
| 10:13.10 | azeem | itchi: look, I don't know what your problem is |
| 10:13.22 | lastnode | liable, i actually wanna talk a bit about the program itself. is #debian-mentors good for that? |
| 10:13.30 | liable | lastnode: yes |
| 10:13.30 | azeem | lastnode: talk here |
| 10:13.33 | itchi | azeem: I go to purge it again, doing it from start, and look a bit more what |
| 10:13.38 | azeem | itchi: ok |
| 10:14.13 | itchi | azeem: Sorry for my typical english ;-) |
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| 10:17.29 | jetscreamer | locate apache maybe |
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| 10:21.27 | itchi | Once when i purge it. The files of apache2 are been removed |
| 10:21.44 | itchi | Now installing it again |
| 10:22.25 | itchi | So just apache2 apache2-common |
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| 10:23.24 | lastnode | Well it's a log report tool that basically gets various logs (based on cli --options passed to it), and then sends the log(s) via POST to a specified URL. Currently I'm testing it by inputing data in to wordpress. I was wondering if this would be a useful tool for deb. like for example, in #debian, instead of asking a user to 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log' we could just ask him to use 'app --video' |
| 10:24.22 | itchi | hhhmmm, looks good news now. After reinstalling with --purge, now installing again, it's looks right now, not ask me how it come :-/ |
| 10:25.12 | itchi | I have i think try it 4 times. Strange |
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| 10:26.21 | itchi | the /etc/apache2/ports.conf file are also there now :-/ |
| 10:26.43 | itchi | coffee time :-) |
| 10:26.50 | azeem | lastnode: what server does it post to by default? |
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| 10:27.23 | itchi | azeem: Know you an reason why i have got that trouble? I'm not realy expert, but not realy new in this, just new in that strange trouble |
| 10:27.29 | lastnode | azeem, right now im just using a wordpress backend, on a test server of mine. theoretically though it could post to any pastebin using POST. it could also be tied up with a bug / support tracker. |
| 10:27.33 | azeem | itchi: no |
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| 10:28.37 | itchi | azeem: Bha, dpkg are already half in vacation, i take it so ;-) |
| 10:29.38 | jetscreamer | !tell baegle -about hwinfo |
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| 10:31.34 | jetscreamer | ~hi itchi |
| 10:31.43 | apt | Many greetings, itchi, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 10:33.38 | itchi | jetscreamer: Hello ;-) |
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| 10:34.57 | itchi | jetscreamer: Mean you that i'm strange? Oh i find i'm been normal and the rest are strange ;-) At least we have the same point of view :-) |
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| 10:35.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:35.48 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:37.04 | liable | !popcorn |
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| 10:41.03 | jetscreamer | itchi: just showing you there are >1 bot |
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| 10:41.33 | itchi | jetscreamer: Yeah i know about dpkg and apt and ravenbird :-) |
| 10:42.25 | eml | Hi! I want to compile GLFW-programs (opengl, glu, glut, not sure)... but GL/glfw.h isn't available. Does anyone know what packages I need to install? |
| 10:43.22 | itchi | jetscreamer: I have my own supybot that i run on #debian-belgium and #debian-nl to give some help and do like the same as dpkg, but for your other channels in my language :-) |
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| 10:43.33 | liable | eml: whats GLFW? |
| 10:43.40 | eml | liable, glwf.sf.net |
| 10:43.47 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 10:43.50 | itchi | jetscreamer: Like there are not yet already one on |
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| 10:44.10 | eml | I kind of framework for opengl-functions and window-stuff :P |
| 10:44.20 | eml | I'm not sure how to explain it myself, I'm just trying to learn it a bit |
| 10:44.22 | itchi | jetscreamer: But great you tell about it ;-) Whe never know hehe ;-) Thinking to people that not know already about it ;-) So continue |
| 10:44.27 | liable | eml: error accesing that page, gimme a real url |
| 10:44.43 | eml | liable, Mmmh, ok, lemme see |
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| 10:44.52 | eml | liable, Try glfw.sourceforge.net then |
| 10:44.52 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I type "users" I can only see "robert" (my username). Shouldn't there be a user nobody, and some other "fake" users ? |
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| 10:45.13 | lastnode | i need some help packaging a python program. how do i declare deps etc? |
| 10:45.14 | liable | eml: um, no, thats what it expands to.. |
| 10:45.31 | lastnode | lord_rob, users lists users who are currently logged on |
| 10:45.43 | lord_rob | ah right |
| 10:45.56 | eml | liable, It works fine for me. |
| 10:46.15 | lord_rob | how can I see "registred" users then ? |
| 10:46.31 | liable | eml: not here.. |
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| 10:47.25 | bart416_ | wtf is the 4.1.x kernel source tree :S |
| 10:47.34 | bart416_ | typo |
| 10:47.35 | bart416_ | lol |
| 10:47.39 | bart416_ | 2.4 |
| 10:47.42 | bart416_ | Oh found it |
| 10:48.37 | bart416_ | I'm way to confused |
| 10:48.38 | yure | hy. where on net can i find the graph showing packages for debian by supported arch. |
| 10:48.58 | yure | i know i saw it i just can't remember where |
| 10:49.20 | bart416_ | yure, google for it :| |
| 10:49.23 | liable | !popcon |
| 10:49.23 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:49.45 | liable | yure: ^^ is that what you mean? |
| 10:49.48 | Mawze__ | lord_rob: /etc/passwd |
| 10:50.14 | baegle | THanks for all the help jetscreamer, azeem, |
| 10:50.19 | yure | liable, thanks thats it! |
| 10:50.56 | bart416_ | nautilius crashed |
| 10:50.57 | bart416_ | roflzor |
| 10:51.17 | bart416_ | Did somebody steal M$ code ? |
| 10:51.22 | jetscreamer | baegle: i take it you got it going |
| 10:52.23 | itchi | tarzeau: Is there no more some live lesons on the irc? I have see the irc logs there on your site. That looks verry great, it will be great to do some many others |
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| 10:53.43 | tarzeau | itchi: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ ? |
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| 10:54.08 | tarzeau | itchi: indeed, what do you want to tell us about? date/time/place? |
| 10:54.33 | itchi | tarzeau: Yes these, realy great, and realy great you make it publicly, many thanks to you, for many subjects it have realy help me. Look my 'screen' now :-p |
| 10:55.15 | itchi | tarzeau: Many new subject that i ignore, i can not tell you, like i learn many about it and discover days by days realy new stuff :-) |
| 10:55.52 | bart416_ | Does any hardware in a laptop use SCSI drivers? |
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| 10:56.06 | itchi | ugh :-/ |
| 10:56.19 | bart416_ | Doubt it |
| 10:56.23 | itchi | And tell me that i'm strange :-p |
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| 10:57.29 | liable | bart416_: i dont quite get what you mean, but sata drives appear as sd* drives |
| 10:57.46 | bart416_ | liable, i doubt i need scsi drivers for a laptop |
| 10:57.50 | bart416_ | it doesn't even have a cd drive |
| 10:58.01 | bart416_ | And i need to get the kernel as small as possible |
| 10:58.11 | liable | oh |
| 10:58.20 | bart416_ | smaller kernel means i can get more essential modules like network drivers and apm support on it |
| 10:58.23 | liable | right, well then prolly not |
| 10:58.49 | liable | tombo: is linuks freaking out or what? |
| 10:58.56 | liable | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 10:58.58 | tarzeau | liable: got your 3d now? |
| 10:59.30 | bart416_ | the thinkpad kernel drivers are only a few kb |
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| 10:59.46 | liable | tarzeau: bastard IBM support fuckers didnt have a spare hard drive to replace mine, so now i wait another week or two :( |
| 10:59.54 | exalted | Hi. I'm using Debian unstable (main repo. only); it's a couple of days that i can not upgrade my system because of a problem while upgrading samba. Here you can find the lines produced by "apt-get -f install": http://rafb.net/paste/results/PNuoUf12.html . Any help is appreciated, thank you. |
| 11:00.00 | tarzeau | liable: you can't do it yourself? |
| 11:00.17 | liable | tarzeau: its a warranty job, brand new laptop |
| 11:00.24 | tarzeau | liable: oh, that sucks |
| 11:00.30 | liable | fucking oath |
| 11:00.57 | itchi | tarzeau: Ohyea, now that i think about it, my 3d is been thanks to your info ;-) |
| 11:01.38 | bart416_ | liable, laptops = trouble |
| 11:01.38 | bart416_ | :| |
| 11:01.59 | liable | bart416_: my other thinkpad has been a trooper |
| 11:02.19 | liable | its been thoroughly abused |
| 11:02.31 | bart416_ | liable, i'm amazed this one still boots |
| 11:02.36 | bart416_ | it gives a system board error at boot |
| 11:02.40 | bart416_ | need to hit escape first |
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| 11:02.46 | bart416_ | and then F1 to bypass the second error |
| 11:02.50 | bart416_ | lol |
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| 11:03.45 | liable | bart416_: ya, i had to use lilo on this one, grub started to hang forever, but its a great box. as for the new one.. (the very fucking expensive new one :( |
| 11:04.37 | bart416_ | I need to remember that i need to get a lan cable to my room, so i don't need to boot into windows anymore to get internet |
| 11:05.12 | lord_rob | Hi again ! The error message displayed when booting is "udevd[834] : error resolving group 'disk' : no such file or directory". A bit later when booting I have "vol_id[834] : lookup_uder : error resolving user 'nobody' : no such file or directory". Any idea how I could solve the problem ? |
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| 11:05.28 | bart416_ | Okay, got the thinkpad kernel module |
| 11:05.31 | bart416_ | now tcpl |
| 11:05.35 | liable | lord_rob: checked bts for udev? |
| 11:06.00 | bart416_ | tpctl i mean |
| 11:06.26 | lord_rob | liable: nope. I checked udev bts but did not find any revelant entry. But I'll check again |
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| 11:07.22 | liable | lord_rob: sounds a bit funky if its complaining about those groups. |
| 11:07.54 | lord_rob | indeed ... |
| 11:08.35 | liable | lord_rob: those groups exist (one would hope so) |
| 11:08.52 | liable | ? |
| 11:09.03 | anabain | is there any way from debian to set up a USB disk dongle to boot in DOS (I want to update the MoBo's BIOS)? |
| 11:09.30 | liable | anabain: eww, danger there lurks! |
| 11:09.31 | lord_rob | liable: #383555 is what I have actually :/ |
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| 11:09.50 | liable | lord_rob: ah, at least its documented |
| 11:09.52 | anabain | liable, danger? oh! |
| 11:10.38 | liable | anabain: upgrading bios from freedos or anything other than the intended wat your manufacturer decides is fit, is danger :/ |
| 11:11.48 | liable | great way to make a brick |
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| 11:12.23 | bart416_ | i wonder if it would be possible to fit kernel + drivers + fluxbox on a floppy |
| 11:12.24 | anabain | ok, then I will use an old floppy I have over here... |
| 11:12.32 | liable | anabain: not to say that it isnt possible.. |
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| 11:13.35 | anabain | liable, btw, using technologies like a floppy disk to do things such upgrading BIOSes is also a good chance to make a brick, isn't it? |
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| 11:13.45 | ootput | where are the packages used during installation (prior to reboot) stored? /v/c/a/a only contains packages from the reboot onwards |
| 11:13.47 | liable | anabain: heh, yep :) |
| 11:13.48 | bart416_ | certain mobo vendors have software that allows updates from inside an OS |
| 11:14.22 | liable | anabain: at least thats a manufacturer gaurenteed way to make a brick :) |
| 11:14.23 | bart416_ | first booting DOS from a floppy and then starting the update is less risky i guess |
| 11:14.26 | ootput | boot into freedos from grub! |
| 11:14.39 | bart416_ | ootput, DOS is so small it fits on a floppy :| |
| 11:14.39 | anabain | liable, heheee |
| 11:14.55 | bart416_ | no point in installing it if you don't have it yet |
| 11:15.27 | ootput | well, if you don't have it, you wouldn't be able to install it, anyway |
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| 11:15.47 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 11:15.55 | liable | fucking with bios in a non standard way is scary shit, hell, just upgrading bios the way they tell you is bad enough |
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| 11:16.08 | bart416_ | ^that |
| 11:16.25 | bart416_ | and you should have a floppy available that automaticly boots and doesn't require any HD |
| 11:16.36 | bart416_ | and automaticly installs the bios |
| 11:16.58 | liable | if the machine even posts after a bios fuckage |
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| 11:17.03 | lord_rob | Actually, seeing the size of the thread related to bug 383555, it's a very serious issue (not serious for its consequences but for the number of people concerned) :/ |
| 11:17.32 | criminy | I've been trying to get the ipw2100 module working for some time with no luck. It's built and installed alright, but I have no wlan0. |
| 11:17.49 | criminy | I put the firmware in the correct place (/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/, no?) |
| 11:17.52 | miro | hi can any one tell how do i change for super user to normal user |
| 11:18.07 | liable | criminy: try /usr/lib/firmware |
| 11:18.14 | liable | criminy: what debian version? |
| 11:18.37 | miro | testing |
| 11:18.45 | liable | lord_rob: oh, thats a very new bug.. |
| 11:18.58 | criminy | testing. |
| 11:19.11 | liable | criminy: did you read the docs for ipw2100? |
| 11:19.15 | criminy | yes |
| 11:19.16 | miro | sarge |
| 11:19.41 | liable | criminy: and the testing one tells you to put it in /usr/lib/hotplug? |
| 11:20.00 | miro | for normal to super user it's SU how do i change it back ? |
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| 11:20.10 | liable | miro: exit |
| 11:20.21 | criminy | I never found a "testing" version of the docs. |
| 11:20.23 | miro | im tring |
| 11:20.35 | liable | criminy: /usr/share/doc/ipw2100 |
| 11:21.13 | lord_rob | liable: yeah, that's sometimes the drawback of using unstable :) |
| 11:21.21 | miro | im using putty from work when im writing exit it's closing the window |
| 11:21.26 | liable | criminy: i take it, you installed ipw2100 from the debian repos? |
| 11:21.37 | liable | lord_rob: indeed |
| 11:22.16 | liable | miro: just su user then |
| 11:22.31 | liable | su - user |
| 11:22.31 | criminy | liable: no |
| 11:22.39 | criminy | I manually installed it. |
| 11:22.41 | liable | criminy: wel... |
| 11:23.03 | liable | criminy: why? |
| 11:23.24 | criminy | module assistant never worked. Followed the instructions too =\ |
| 11:23.47 | liable | criminy: go install it and give us the errors |
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| 11:24.33 | bart416_ | I think i'm going to skip the compile it myself part: http://tiny.seul.org/en/index.html |
| 11:24.34 | bart416_ | :) |
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| 11:25.51 | criminy | right now it's a bunch of warnings followed by an "unimplented" error |
| 11:26.08 | liable | criminy: paste the errors |
| 11:26.14 | liable | !paste |
| 11:26.14 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 11:26.18 | liable | criminy: ^^^ |
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| 11:26.51 | criminy | any scripts for that...not in X |
| 11:27.09 | liable | criminy: /j #flood and paste there then |
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| 11:30.27 | boodie | Ok, my etch tells me at boot time that it can't read the /etc/netwok/interfaces file (which is actually there); result is that I can't latch onto the pppoe, unless I do ppoeconf every time (i.e. pon dsl-provider doesn't work). Is not such an issue, but is annoying |
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| 11:31.28 | liable | boodie: can you supply the actuall error? |
| 11:31.52 | ootput | i'm trying to create a partial mirror (using apt-move on /v/c/a/a/ contents) for use on my lan for fresh installations. Atm, i'm able to source the server in my sources.list and fetch packages properly, but I'm having trouble getting new installations to use the repo |
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| 11:32.10 | nvz | wtf O.o |
| 11:32.12 | ootput | are there tools specifically for the generation of Contents-i386.gz |
| 11:32.38 | nvz | my clock was like maybe 10min or so off when I went to work.. now its like 3hrs and 10min off |
| 11:32.46 | ootput | drift |
| 11:32.50 | ootput | deal with it :) |
| 11:32.54 | nvz | thats not drift |
| 11:33.05 | ootput | well, yeah |
| 11:33.18 | criminy | again, I've got the module loaded just fine, except that the docs say use "ifname=" but the module complains |
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| 11:33.31 | boodie | liable: it says "can't read /etc/netwok/interfaces : ifup returned an error" or something like that |
| 11:33.34 | nvz | there has to be another reason.. it doesnt drift 3 hours over one night |
| 11:33.43 | liable | nvz: as long as its early at the end of the day.. who cares :) |
| 11:33.56 | nvz | its 7:33a here it says 3:57a |
| 11:34.22 | liable | boodie: we need the exact error |
| 11:34.32 | ootput | yeah, i'd kill myself if i had to up at 3:57am on a Sunday |
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| 11:34.45 | ootput | +be/get |
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| 11:34.52 | nvz | I care cause I just got internet... and well since I've been offline so long and had a little ad-hoc type network between two computers my security policy is a little under par |
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| 11:35.03 | liable | meh, i was up at 5:30 today :? |
| 11:35.19 | ootput | Sunday? |
| 11:35.21 | nvz | unusual clock changes can be a sign of network intrusion |
| 11:35.27 | liable | and worked till about 5pm |
| 11:35.30 | liable | ootput: yes |
| 11:35.55 | ootput | is that agreeable? |
| 11:36.05 | nvz | I expect drift, but I know basically how much my hardware will drift.. |
| 11:36.08 | liable | and i worked saturday, but now i have 3 days off :) |
| 11:36.35 | liable | ootput: working is never agreeable :P |
| 11:36.49 | ootput | oh, but it can be |
| 11:36.52 | liable | even though i kinda like my job.. |
| 11:36.58 | ootput | racing down the hallway in armchairs |
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| 11:37.39 | ootput | shuold get espn to promote the sport |
| 11:38.12 | siimo | neone know when gtk2 2.10.x will go into unstable :\ |
| 11:38.24 | liable | no |
| 11:38.26 | ootput | siimo: when you least expect it |
| 11:38.32 | boodie | liable: how could I reproduce the error without rebooting? Also now the ppp is on |
| 11:38.35 | nvz | !info libgtk-2.0 |
| 11:38.37 | siimo | i dont expect it there right now :P |
| 11:38.52 | liable | boodie: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:39.00 | nvz | !info libgtk-2.0-common |
| 11:39.16 | ootput | third time's a |
| 11:39.21 | nvz | !info libgtk2.0 |
| 11:39.22 | nvz | :P |
| 11:39.27 | ootput | dud |
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| 11:39.33 | liable | hah |
| 11:39.36 | nvz | oh well |
| 11:39.52 | nvz | I am looking right at my damn apt-cache and still cant get it |
| 11:40.05 | siimo | with gtk 2.10 ill be able to use my windows key again with xfce shortcuts ! |
| 11:40.05 | nvz | !info libgtk2.0-common |
| 11:40.11 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-common: (Common files for the GTK+ graphical user interface library), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.8.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3666 kB, Installed size: 12416 kB |
| 11:40.17 | ootput | hooray |
| 11:41.07 | nvz | I just got off work and only had one alcoholic beverage so far.. give me a break |
| 11:41.40 | nvz | I had to go buy pain killers just to go to work last night.. my back was killing me. |
| 11:41.42 | liable | nvz: #debian takes no prisoners |
| 11:41.52 | liable | :P |
| 11:42.08 | boodie | liable: got it? |
| 11:42.14 | liable | got what? |
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| 11:42.32 | nvz | I normally dont like to take any meds.. and I've been dealing with chronic shoulder. neck and back pain for months now from that last car accident, and its bad, but last night I just couldnt take it I didnt want to get out of bed |
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| 11:43.13 | ootput | nvz: I've experienced that |
| 11:43.17 | ootput | meds didn't help much |
| 11:43.22 | ootput | getting into the pool did |
| 11:43.29 | liable | boodie: if you are trying to /msg me, dont. paste it on a pastebot |
| 11:43.35 | nvz | even though its been painful daily.. I can always just pop my shoulder or back into a comfortable position and live with it.. after sleeping nearly all day yesturday I never got straight.. I woke up still feeling bent up |
| 11:43.41 | boodie | sorry, I am a little bit goofy with IRC and I tried to open a separate chat to send you the output of /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:43.54 | ootput | i just do some light resistance work in the pool to toughen up the joints |
| 11:44.05 | criminy | argh, liable. Thanks for your help. Think it's working now. Ealier module-assistant was auto-detecting the kernel version (the same kernel version I am using) and now for some reason I had to use -k <dir-to-headers> |
| 11:44.10 | nvz | 2000mg of Acetominaphen helped me enough to get throught the night |
| 11:44.12 | ootput | nvz: went through 2 accidents myself |
| 11:44.25 | criminy | did I say anything? |
| 11:44.34 | liable | boodie: dont /msg people here without asking first, and you need to be registered to do so anyway |
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| 11:44.39 | criminy | Oh, okay, I did. |
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| 11:45.00 | liable | criminy: fixed? |
| 11:45.02 | boodie | Ok, sorry; how do I activate a pastebot? |
| 11:45.08 | liable | !paste |
| 11:45.09 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 11:45.10 | criminy | Think so. Builing ipw2100 |
| 11:45.10 | ootput | criminy: you'll get more feedback if you announce the problem to the channel |
| 11:45.17 | boodie | !paste |
| 11:45.27 | azeem | boodie: read what dpkg said |
| 11:45.29 | nvz | I've been in 3 car accidents, the first one damn near killed me when I was 6. I was in a coma for over a week. they said my brain was swelling up in my head and I was going to die because it had no room. But I woke up on mothers day and quickly recovered with minimal memory loss |
| 11:45.33 | ootput | boodie: ^^ |
| 11:45.35 | criminy | e.e still same error |
| 11:46.01 | boodie | dpkg said: "Someone already said that 9 seconds ago" |
| 11:46.14 | azeem | boodie: right, read what dpkg said in here |
| 11:46.26 | Eclipser | well now aint this funny |
| 11:46.49 | ootput | nvz: ah, you had it worse |
| 11:46.51 | liable | criminy: what kernel are you running now? |
| 11:46.52 | criminy | both hostap and ipw2100 fail to build in module-assistant with different erros |
| 11:47.02 | Eclipser | tar xjf refuses to untar source file from debian repo (cegui_mk2-source-0.4.1.tar.bz2) |
| 11:47.27 | azeem | Eclipser: what error? |
| 11:47.37 | criminy | 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 11:47.45 | Eclipser | tar: cegui_mk2/WidgetSets/TaharezLook/src/TLListHeaderSegment.cpp: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 11:47.48 | ootput | nvz: but i had meningitis as a baby; very slim chances of a successful operation without hearing impairment |
| 11:47.48 | Eclipser | tar: Skipping to next header |
| 11:47.50 | Eclipser | on all files |
| 11:48.04 | nvz | ootput: I was in a pickup truck after school one day and fell asleep on the door, and I fell out on my head at about 5mph making a turn from a stop sign very low speed and I didnt fall far.. but I went from sleeping to coma and never knew what happened |
| 11:48.04 | liable | criminy: have you tried compilingg akernel lately or something? 2.6.17? |
| 11:48.22 | ootput | oh shit |
| 11:48.26 | criminy | liable: no I haven't triewd |
| 11:48.38 | boodie | Ok, is in paste #3510 |
| 11:48.45 | Eclipser | ooo |
| 11:48.48 | azeem | Eclipser: what is the exact command line you used? |
| 11:48.48 | Eclipser | azeem, neverming |
| 11:48.51 | Eclipser | -g+d |
| 11:48.58 | criminy | just installed debian last night. upgraded to testing about 3 hours ago |
| 11:49.02 | nvz | ootput: I passed 1st grade though despite the fact I was only there for maybe a week and spent the rest of the time in the hospital |
| 11:49.03 | liable | criminy: cause theres references to 2.6.17 in that stuff you pasted |
| 11:49.03 | ootput | nvz: are you narcoleptic? |
| 11:49.06 | azeem | boodie: better quote the whole url |
| 11:49.09 | Eclipser | azeem, just noticed: 4.0K drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0K 2006-08-20 14:43 cegui-mk2-0.4.1/ |
| 11:49.20 | nvz | ootput: you mean have a sleeping disorder? |
| 11:49.26 | ootput | yeah |
| 11:49.37 | nvz | ootput: no, why do you say that :P |
| 11:49.37 | liable | criminy: ohno, 2.6.16.17 its on about |
| 11:49.55 | boodie | It's in http://channels.debian.net/paste/3510 |
| 11:50.14 | nvz | ootput: I was a 6 year old who just sat in school for 8 hours listening to some idiot lecture me to no end.. kids get tired after school |
| 11:50.22 | ootput | :) |
| 11:50.33 | criminy | I see those now |
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| 11:50.56 | ootput | nvz: oh, i didn't piece the evidence together correctly |
| 11:51.00 | boodie | Phew! sorry for the inconvenience, but I didn't know the tool possibilities (spectacular indeed) |
| 11:51.03 | liable | boodie: ok, paste your entire interfaces file please, you have two ifaces with auto lines |
| 11:51.04 | ootput | nvz: i thought you were sleeping at the wheel |
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| 11:51.21 | ootput | nvz: didn't realise you were an infant passenger |
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| 11:52.10 | ootput | anywhoo, gnight |
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| 11:52.26 | liable | criminy: so, do you have a 2.6.16-17 kernel installed or what? where is it getting that from? |
| 11:52.49 | criminy | liable: I don't know where that is coming from |
| 11:53.06 | nvz | ootput: I wasnt ever in an accident when I was driving. |
| 11:53.20 | boodie | Ok, done it it's http://channels.debian.net/paste/3511 |
| 11:53.22 | criminy | looks like it might be built into the source |
| 11:53.30 | liable | criminy: no |
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| 11:54.09 | liable | boodie: are you serious? why do you have a file like that? |
| 11:54.38 | liable | boodie: dude, remove all that eth0 stuff |
| 11:55.06 | boodie | Yes, of course; every "stanza"? |
| 11:55.22 | Zenox | how can i use the latest freedict dictionaries (fex dict-freedict-swe-eng) from Debian Sid in Debian Sarge without upgrading the whole server? I can't find a backport neither on apt-get.org, backports.org or google.com |
| 11:55.29 | liable | yes, leave one, but comment the auto line |
| 11:55.41 | boodie | I swear I have only used ppoeconf; might it have done it? |
| 11:55.50 | blondie | boodie: you have five eth0s? |
| 11:56.27 | eml | Does anyone know what I need to install to compile C-code with the GLFW-headers? GL/glfw.h that is |
| 11:56.27 | liable | boodie: then add, above the dsl-providor line; auto dsl-providor |
| 11:56.44 | boodie | No, just one, ... might it be that repaeted uses of pppoeconf messed it up? |
| 11:56.48 | azeem | eml: go to packages.debian.org and search which packge contans that header filer |
| 11:56.51 | liable | !find glfw.h |
| 11:56.56 | azeem | eml: the search box at the bottom |
| 11:57.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'glfw.h' returned no results. |
| 11:57.18 | liable | not surprising |
| 11:57.21 | nvz | just found out a distant cousin of mine is going to be spending most of his life in prison.. I dont know why people are so stupid. you dont go robbing, pistol whipping, and shooting at people when you are already on probation for 10-36 years.. he'll be lucky to be out of the prison by his 70th birthday |
| 11:57.33 | boodie | Plus I've read on the "interfaces" man page that the file does not support the inline comments, while there seems to be one... |
| 11:58.15 | liable | boodie: just do as i said please, then restart, and then we can argue :P |
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| 12:00.11 | boodie | Thank you for the advice; just one thing: you said comment the "auto" line ... which one (there is also an "auto lo" line)? |
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| 12:00.43 | liable | boodie: the eth0 line that you left (delete all but one eth0 stanzas) |
| 12:01.08 | liable | boodie: so leave one, auto eth0; iface eth0 inet static |
| 12:01.25 | boodie | And comment out (with #) the auto line of that stanza, you mean? |
| 12:01.25 | liable | boodie: but make it #auto eth0 |
| 12:01.31 | nvz | are there public chatrooms for AIM users? I know there used to be an AOL Chat.. but I thought thats just for AOL users.. |
| 12:01.46 | boodie | right: I'llbe back |
| 12:01.49 | boodie | thanx |
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| 12:02.10 | criminy | nvz: I think there are public chatrooms. Maybe built into the AIM client you can look at a list? |
| 12:02.51 | nvz | criminy: *shrug* I have gaim, and the roomlist works for yahoo but not for aim |
| 12:03.54 | criminy | oh |
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| 12:04.50 | nvz | I didnt know if it was a gaim limitation or if AIM just didnt list public chat rooms |
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| 12:05.45 | pure | has anyone installed anjuta on debian with fluxbox as the gui? |
| 12:06.17 | criminy | brb |
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| 12:11.46 | eugman | What's the most minimal installation I can make, what are it's system reuirements and how hard is it to make a cd repo. |
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| 12:12.55 | eugman | ack nvm gotta run |
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| 12:13.39 | criminy | hrm |
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| 12:14.23 | liable | i just dropped my laptop :/ |
| 12:14.31 | _mike | unable to open gnutella in Sarge? |
| 12:14.38 | boodie | liable: it works! Thank you! |
| 12:14.47 | liable | boodie: sweet :) |
| 12:15.49 | blondie | gnutella... isn't that chocolate spread or something |
| 12:16.02 | liable | nutella :) |
| 12:16.10 | liable | hazelnut spread |
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| 12:17.08 | liable | pretty damn tasty too.. (if you're a kid) |
| 12:17.39 | tarzeau | anyone wants to play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 12:18.06 | liable | ohnos |
| 12:18.11 | boodie | Yeah; Nutella is an Italian product, too (despite that I never liked it) |
| 12:18.23 | liable | tarzeau: i tried once, i sucked.. :( |
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| 12:18.33 | tarzeau | liable: who cares. it's fun, ain't it? |
| 12:18.41 | the-erm | I'm thinking about changing distros. Anyone telling me what they like about debian? |
| 12:18.52 | liable | !why debian |
| 12:18.52 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 12:18.59 | tarzeau | the-erm: the cow powers |
| 12:19.03 | the-erm | Thanks |
| 12:19.07 | tarzeau | the-erm: and the widest variety of software |
| 12:19.07 | liable | !moo |
| 12:19.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:19.11 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 12:19.12 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 12:19.18 | tarzeau | liable: oh you did why debian already |
| 12:19.19 | _mike | ok frostwire give an install error..libc6..needed |
| 12:19.23 | boodie | I find bebian exceptionally well supprted, documented, and user friendly |
| 12:19.32 | liable | tarzeau: you lose! :) |
| 12:19.41 | tarzeau | boodie: exactly, without strange patches that work against upstreams ideas (mostly) |
| 12:19.53 | tarzeau | liable: i don't care, it's just a game (time killer) |
| 12:20.03 | liable | tarzeau: you do so! |
| 12:20.31 | roxy_ | ipp request I refused, here are my iptables: http://pastebin.ca/140335 , could someone tell me why ? |
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| 12:20.35 | tarzeau | liable: really i don't. but i think i'll play some nethack again, i've got a good game going |
| 12:20.47 | liable | tarzeau: why is it not yet in debian? |
| 12:20.56 | tarzeau | liable: because nobody packaged it yet? |
| 12:21.03 | tarzeau | liable: it's python |
| 12:21.06 | liable | tarzeau: didnt you itp? |
| 12:21.07 | nopcode | are the patches included in the kernel tree when installing linux-tree? |
| 12:21.15 | tarzeau | liable: yes, but i won't package it |
| 12:21.16 | nopcode | because they're parallel to the kernel too |
| 12:21.28 | tarzeau | liable: anyone is free to take over any ITP if the itper doesn't mind. and i don't |
| 12:21.40 | liable | tarzeau: why didnt you? |
| 12:21.46 | tarzeau | liable: some guy in #bub-n-bros added some great random level generators |
| 12:21.53 | tarzeau | liable: it's python, that's the only reason |
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| 12:22.22 | Mr_Magic | #dsl |
| 12:22.22 | tarzeau | liable: the developer developped it for multiplatform, and he chose to not distribute the files (as it's usually done with unix software) |
| 12:22.41 | tarzeau | liable: meaning, the packager for debian will need to do quite some re-arranging of files |
| 12:22.47 | tarzeau | liable: and i'm just no python fan |
| 12:23.10 | liable | tarzeau: ya, i vaguely remember reading why not. |
| 12:23.27 | boodie | Have you heard about the latest E. Raymond outing? We'll have to accept closed sources! |
| 12:23.38 | tarzeau | boodie: hahahaha |
| 12:23.43 | tarzeau | boodie: and then? |
| 12:23.49 | tarzeau | boodie: is this news? |
| 12:24.00 | criminy | Am I still around? |
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| 12:24.19 | boodie | Because Linux is not compatible with iPod (and no young people will want to know) ... |
| 12:24.36 | criminy | My ipod works fine in linux |
| 12:24.38 | blondie | boodie: orly. |
| 12:24.40 | liable | theres lots of ipod shits now.. |
| 12:24.51 | criminy | actually..works better than in windows. Doesn't even work in windows for me. |
| 12:25.35 | nopcode | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 20 14:04 kernel-patches |
| 12:25.35 | nopcode | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40322535 Jul 16 09:46 linux-source-2.6.16.tar.bz2 |
| 12:25.38 | liable | fuck the ipod! is what i say :) |
| 12:25.40 | nopcode | does that include the patches? |
| 12:26.16 | blondie | liable: I'm reminded of an ep of House MD |
| 12:26.37 | boodie | Yes, I know, but what the hell is it with this iPod? I understand that it's a mp3 player with a nice design (this is the only good thing of apples) |
| 12:27.02 | criminy | if my network card isn't showing up in lspci, should I be worried? |
| 12:27.13 | nopcode | boodie: well the gui is nicely designed, too |
| 12:27.16 | liable | blondie: ep? are we talking vinel house music? |
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| 12:27.21 | criminy | the ID is there, but the name is wrong |
| 12:27.22 | blondie | liable: no |
| 12:27.25 | blondie | liable: tv program |
| 12:27.33 | liable | meh |
| 12:27.42 | blondie | comedy/medical |
| 12:27.43 | criminy | "PCI Firmware loading function" is all it's says |
| 12:28.02 | criminy | ipods are pretty useful, but now my school has banned them =\ |
| 12:28.03 | blondie | anyway, there's a boy with an ipod somewhere it perhaps wasn't designed for c.c |
| 12:28.16 | boodie | Bah, perhaps, but what difference does it make (say, is it beter than KDE or Gnome, or even Windows)? |
| 12:28.22 | liable | how do you spell "vi-nell" anyway? |
| 12:28.29 | blondie | spell what? |
| 12:28.41 | liable | you know, records! |
| 12:28.46 | blondie | vinyl? |
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| 12:28.57 | blondie | pronounced vin-yul |
| 12:28.59 | liable | thats looks about right :) |
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| 12:29.15 | blondie | or maybe without the y |
| 12:29.28 | liable | nah, the y is there |
| 12:29.39 | blondie | you can say "vine-all" |
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| 12:29.52 | liable | we call it vine-al |
| 12:29.57 | Malagmyr | How can I get alsamixer to save my settings so they are the same after a reboot? After a reboot now, the volume controls are set to what they were, but no sound comes out until I adjust the volume either up or down. |
| 12:30.13 | blondie | liable: I've never had reason to say it |
| 12:30.13 | boodie | wine-all (everybody must become a wino ... I subscribe) |
| 12:30.18 | liable | Malagmyr: alsactrl store |
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| 12:30.54 | liable | blondie: i like techno, so i have quite a lot of vine-al :) |
| 12:31.12 | Malagmyr | liable: that's what I used. it saves the volume levels in alsamixer, but after a reboot I still don't get sound. The volume's at 80%, and I have to adjust it either up or down, and suddenly I get sound. |
| 12:31.38 | liable | Malagmyr: starnge |
| 12:31.47 | liable | strange even |
| 12:31.55 | blondie | liable: mine is all on harddisk |
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| 12:32.00 | boodie | Ok - I leave now : thanx for help |
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| 12:32.13 | blondie | having music on cd/tape/vinyl annoys me |
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| 12:32.32 | liable | blondie: i got two crates of it (which is not much, but i am getting way to old now) |
| 12:32.34 | Malagmyr | liable: do you happen to know of a way to set the alsa volume with a console command? i could just set it to 80% in my startup script. guess that would do the trick |
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| 12:33.08 | liable | root__: dude, you need to log in as a user |
| 12:33.10 | cahoot | Malagmyr: amixer sset Master 80 or such |
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| 12:33.20 | liable | root__: dude, you need to log in as a user |
| 12:33.22 | Malagmyr | ah. thanks |
| 12:33.37 | liable | root__: dont irc as root |
| 12:34.14 | bart416_ | liable, look out or he'll rm you :| |
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| 12:34.20 | Malagmyr | testing.. |
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| 12:37.10 | liable | joako: um, you are still root |
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| 12:37.37 | Exrai | wow guys, got 12 hours of sleep yesturday, and now I cant sleep at all... |
| 12:38.40 | blondie | lazy |
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| 12:39.13 | blondie|testing | hm |
| 12:39.13 | Exrai | apt-get remove awakeness --purge |
| 12:39.17 | liable | joako: still root! dude, log out from root |
| 12:39.21 | Exrai | Awakeness not found |
| 12:39.24 | Exrai | =[ |
| 12:39.36 | Exrai | ty |
| 12:39.47 | Exrai | That worked for about 5 seconds |
| 12:39.54 | Exrai | so if you can constantly do it that would be great |
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| 12:41.00 | bart416_ | apt-get install slackware 4.0 takes 14 flopies |
| 12:41.13 | dvs | bart416_: and...? |
| 12:41.15 | schultzconsult | Hi I have a SuperMicro 5015M server with Intel E7230 chipset and two Gigabit Ethernet controllers but the kernel in sarge can not use the controllers, but the testing can, so I'm wondering, is there a way I can force a specific kernelversion but still be using the sarge repos for the rest of the system? |
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| 12:41.32 | Exrai | schultzconsult: yes. |
| 12:41.44 | bart416_ | install the new kernel |
| 12:41.49 | liable | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 12:41.51 | dvs | schultzconsult: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 12:42.02 | liable | meh |
| 12:42.08 | dvs | liable: 2.6.16!!! ;-) |
| 12:42.21 | liable | dvs: dpkg it! |
| 12:42.22 | Exrai | 2.6.17 is where the cool guys are |
| 12:42.51 | Exrai | that was a pun of course, no one that runs linux can be cool |
| 12:42.59 | liable | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 12:43.00 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 12:43.02 | Exrai | bwhaha, im jk |
| 12:43.15 | dvs | schultzconsult: the last link ^^^ |
| 12:43.21 | liable | dvs: make me do all the work! |
| 12:43.27 | dvs | :-D |
| 12:43.35 | Exrai | liable: workin for the man every night and day |
| 12:43.47 | liable | and not gettin paid! |
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| 12:43.54 | Exrai | And not gettin laid =[ |
| 12:44.00 | liable | hrm |
| 12:44.01 | dvs | only first aid! |
| 12:44.05 | Exrai | clothes starting to fade |
| 12:44.05 | schultzconsult | thanks, will look at it, because these servers are cheap and very powerfull for my purpose |
| 12:44.14 | Exrai | lack of detergent and gatorade |
| 12:44.26 | dvs | ...but the French maid |
| 12:44.33 | Exrai | Took me to the arcade |
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| 12:44.46 | Exrai | and made some lemonade |
| 12:44.48 | dvs | Hilary! |
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| 12:45.20 | liable | joako: yay! |
| 12:45.28 | Exrai | CRANK |
| 12:45.34 | dvs | adelphia is dead! |
| 12:45.49 | Exrai | Wank my crank, frank. |
| 12:45.51 | Exrai | Hows that |
| 12:45.53 | liable | haha |
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| 12:46.16 | liable | thats not what i was haha'ing at.. |
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| 12:46.25 | Exrai | =[ |
| 12:47.20 | Exrai | I want to equip Franks tank with some improved crank to give it some look and make the ladies say...'mank' |
| 12:47.34 | liable | !slap Exrai |
| 12:47.38 | Exrai | =[ |
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| 12:47.49 | Exrai | I didnt get sleep |
| 12:47.56 | tarzeau | i so hope they do 2.6.18 http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/08/msg00413.html |
| 12:48.06 | tarzeau | (since the latest e1000 drivers are not in 2.6.before18) |
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| 12:48.18 | Exrai | im on supercharged 2.8 alpha test kernel |
| 12:48.20 | liable | tarzeau: huh, its in .15.. |
| 12:48.22 | Exrai | =o |
| 12:48.25 | tarzeau | liable: no it's not |
| 12:48.30 | liable | tarzeau: yes it is |
| 12:48.31 | Casanova | why shouldn't apt-get source and apt-get install be allowed to execute in parallel? |
| 12:48.34 | tarzeau | liable: i've got two different e1000 card models that don't work |
| 12:48.36 | criminy | still getting no network card here |
| 12:48.38 | tarzeau | liable: check e1000.sf.net |
| 12:48.42 | Exrai | Casanova: I believe so, yes |
| 12:48.51 | Casanova | Exrai: yes i can see that .... but why |
| 12:48.51 | liable | tarzeau: i installed on a e100 with the etch inst |
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| 12:48.58 | liable | e1000 |
| 12:49.02 | Exrai | Casanova: Yea, i think so |
| 12:49.03 | tarzeau | liable: which pci id? |
| 12:49.09 | tarzeau | liable: i can tell you two pci ids that won't work |
| 12:49.22 | tarzeau | liable: which source version of e1000 driver? |
| 12:49.26 | Casanova | hmm my question is why it isnt allowed to execute in parallel |
| 12:49.28 | liable | tarzeau: http://liable.mine.nu/debian/thinkpad_T60p.html |
| 12:49.40 | Exrai | Casanova: Yes is the answer |
| 12:49.49 | tarzeau | liable: nice but there's alot of different e1000, which pci id? |
| 12:50.02 | Casanova | Exrai: `Yes' to a `Why' question? |
| 12:50.03 | liable | tarzeau: theres the pci-ids there! |
| 12:50.08 | tarzeau | liable: not the lspci -n ? |
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| 12:50.17 | Exrai | Casanova: yep |
| 12:50.29 | liable | tarzeau: fuck you, i tell you when i get it back :P |
| 12:50.35 | Casanova | any one else understand the logic behind it? |
| 12:50.37 | Exrai | Liable: Can I go to http://liable.mine.nu/, and hold F5 down with tape every time I go to sleep? |
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| 12:50.47 | joako | hello i have a question i just install my geforce 7200 and nvidia drivers en my debian sid and xorg stop working |
| 12:51.06 | joako | how can i fixed.........? |
| 12:51.09 | Exrai | joako: did you try to reconfigure your kernel alpha modules? |
| 12:51.24 | liable | Exrai: i dont know whether to laugh or tell you to fuck off ? |
| 12:51.33 | Exrai | liable: Both? |
| 12:51.39 | liable | Exrai: prolly |
| 12:51.41 | Casanova | liable: +1 :) |
| 12:51.49 | tarzeau | joako: copy the right files to the right places |
| 12:51.51 | Exrai | Cananova: -100 |
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| 12:51.57 | tarzeau | joako: xorg has new directories in new places |
| 12:51.57 | Casanova | hehe |
| 12:52.03 | tarzeau | joako: and the nvidia binary driver doesn't know about this |
| 12:52.05 | Casanova | Exrai: you are drunk... go to bed ;) |
| 12:52.09 | Exrai | lol |
| 12:52.24 | joako | oh so how can i tell nvidia binary where to go |
| 12:52.36 | tarzeau | joako: copy them after the install to the right place |
| 12:52.42 | tarzeau | joako: /usr/lib/xorg/blablabla |
| 12:52.49 | tarzeau | joako: there's several files for this |
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| 12:53.01 | Exrai | joako: Type 'configure alpha settings module 32.56', and set nvidia.conf to read your new modules to your kernel settings devices so fstab will set your init correctly. |
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| 12:53.53 | tarzeau | nobody with fast3d x drivers that can try briquolo (on sid) and send a mail to 362897@bugs.debian.org if it worked or not? |
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| 12:54.06 | joako | ok when u say several files u mean like nvidia config tool |
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| 12:54.16 | _AsA | exuse me :p |
| 12:54.21 | Exrai | joako: Your not listening to me |
| 12:54.22 | tarzeau | joako: no |
| 12:54.28 | tarzeau | joako: the x driver and some more files |
| 12:54.48 | Exrai | joako: Tarzeau uses windows xp |
| 12:54.57 | joako | Exrai im listen sorry im slow........ |
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| 12:55.06 | Exrai | joako: Type 'configure alpha settings module 32.56', and set nvidia.conf to read your new modules to your kernel settings devices so fstab will set your init correctly. |
| 12:55.09 | tarzeau | Exrai: for at home, yes. so what? |
| 12:55.28 | Exrai | Tarzeau: nothing, just stating a fact |
| 12:55.43 | tarzeau | Exrai: that doesn't mean i'm in several debian linux , kfreebsd shells |
| 12:55.58 | tarzeau | Exrai: i've got xming , a free software x server on windows xp |
| 12:56.09 | tarzeau | Exrai: and that's just home, and only for some time now, i've got triple boot |
| 12:56.18 | Exrai | Tarzeau: hi |
| 12:56.51 | tarzeau | Exrai: i'd much rather like you say "tarzeau can't stand gnome or kde" |
| 12:56.59 | tarzeau | Exrai: and gnustep works on windows xp too |
| 12:57.13 | Exrai | Tarzeau: Yea, too bad windows xp costs 200$ |
| 12:57.22 | liable | but gnustep is *ugly* |
| 12:57.46 | tarzeau | Exrai: i don't pay that, since my employer has some universal license (for others, so it really doesn't matter if i use it or not) |
| 12:58.06 | tarzeau | liable: no it's not, you're just not used to it, and probably your display/display gamma settings are fucked |
| 12:58.20 | liable | haha |
| 12:58.53 | Exrai | Can you all help me? im trying to boot init 6 while configuring my fstab to read my alpha kernel module configurations and set core to show repositories and update my system /etc/ to meet that of an ntfs that is locked at a filesystem restore server on a raid array |
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| 12:59.16 | liable | Exrai: shut up |
| 12:59.20 | Exrai | liable: yes sir |
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| 12:59.39 | Exrai | liable: but can you help me? |
| 13:00.13 | liable | not likely |
| 13:02.27 | Exrai | ok, is this a new feature in xchat? whenever I type '/quit playing games with my heart' (w.o the quotes) it plays backstreet boys...WTF |
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| 13:02.40 | dvs | !lart Exrai |
| 13:02.46 | Exrai | =[ |
| 13:03.41 | Exrai | Why wont liable respect me |
| 13:03.46 | bart416_ | !lart bart416 |
| 13:03.46 | Exrai | I just want him to be my friend |
| 13:03.54 | liable | Exrai: i think you may have joined the wrong server, try /connect irc.effnet.org |
| 13:04.29 | bart416_ | XD |
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| 13:04.30 | Exrai | liable: will you be my e-buddy? |
| 13:04.32 | bart416_ | thats evil |
| 13:05.12 | liable | Exrai: you are bordring on troll coutry |
| 13:05.20 | liable | ..country |
| 13:05.21 | Exrai | coutry |
| 13:05.43 | Exrai | lolololol |
| 13:05.43 | Exrai | =[ |
| 13:05.43 | joako | say its no a command configure alpha settings module 32.56 |
| 13:05.44 | Exrai | oh jesus xD |
| 13:05.57 | Exrai | joako: your doing it wrong |
| 13:06.03 | criminy | iwcon |
| 13:06.11 | Exrai | joako: chroot your configuration in init 3 |
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| 13:06.18 | bart416_ | chroot /dev/reality && rm --rf Exrai would be funny atm :| |
| 13:06.23 | bart416_ | typo :| |
| 13:06.25 | liable | azeem: awake? |
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| 13:07.25 | criminy | I'm modprobing ipw2100, I've got the firmware, but nothing's happening |
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| 13:07.30 | criminy | no cards |
| 13:07.35 | criminy | err, no interfaces |
| 13:07.40 | Exrai | rm --purge /universe/world/lives/pliar-short-of-toolsheds/bart416_.life |
| 13:08.16 | bart416_ | !lart Exrai |
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| 13:08.26 | Exrai | !lart bart416_ |
| 13:08.48 | criminy | It says I need hotplug but hotplug conflicts udev |
| 13:08.51 | criminy | and udev is supposed to load it |
| 13:08.55 | Exrai | !life |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | life is, like, what you made by yourself. so if you're saying "life sucks", it is you that sucked. |
| 13:09.06 | Exrai | !emo |
| 13:09.26 | Exrai | !sex |
| 13:09.26 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 13:10.04 | Exrai | well I must be leaving |
| 13:10.11 | Exrai | and I will do so with a picture |
| 13:10.17 | Exrai | (>^_(>O.o)> HOMOSEXUAL KIRBY |
| 13:10.49 | criminy | brb |
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| 13:12.15 | dementt | Evenings |
| 13:12.18 | jatt | ubuntu |
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| 13:13.38 | asg | jatt: #ubuntu |
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| 13:20.04 | freeone3000 | What's the preferred way to install J2EE? |
| 13:22.17 | asg | freeone3000: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 13:22.28 | freeone3000 | For EE as well...? |
| 13:23.03 | asg | freeone3000: no, just install that somewhere (/usr/local or /opt) after you have a standard jdk installed |
| 13:23.14 | freeone3000 | Ah. Thanks. |
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| 13:26.16 | kpanic | hi, I have an Xvnc server on a vm that picks automatically fvwm, now I want to make it to use fvwm-themes, where do I put the config? |
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| 13:27.06 | nopcode | which kernel option do i need for libata? |
| 13:28.38 | aubergine | Whats the differentiated between > and >> |
| 13:28.40 | dvs | nopcode: CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and the CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_... for your chipset |
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| 13:28.51 | dvs | aubergine: > is overwrite >> is append |
| 13:29.04 | aubergine | thx |
| 13:29.30 | nopcode | dvs: so if i set these to yes instead of module, i will get the libata-module compiled statically? |
| 13:29.38 | dvs | nopcode: yes |
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| 13:29.41 | Vutral | hello |
| 13:29.44 | Vutral | i wonder |
| 13:29.45 | nopcode | dvs: k thx |
| 13:29.51 | dvs | nopcode: you're welcome |
| 13:30.16 | Vutral | is it possible to use the mighty apt-get to install debian instead of another distrib ? |
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| 13:30.43 | dvs | Vutral: it is not possible for apt-get to install another distribution on top of another one |
| 13:30.44 | Vutral | i wonder'd |
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| 13:31.05 | asg | Vutral: if you have a spare partition, you could debootstrap it. |
| 13:31.11 | Vutral | dvs: i wanted to remove redhat using rpm and then use apt-get from a live system to install the sys |
| 13:31.22 | asg | Vutral: then configure grub, reboot, remove old crufty os |
| 13:31.23 | Vutral | asg: debootstrap ? |
| 13:31.28 | asg | !debootstrap |
| 13:31.28 | dpkg | well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 13:31.41 | Vutral | ah |
| 13:31.42 | Vutral | ic |
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| 13:33.08 | r3tex | i have "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" in my /etc/network/interfaces but it's not being brought up at boot. Am I forgetting something? |
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| 13:33.36 | Vutral | mhm |
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| 13:34.36 | r3tex | Vutral, mind telling what? |
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| 13:35.05 | Vutral | well, i am just thinking about howto get my system in a usable state again |
| 13:35.17 | r3tex | oh |
| 13:35.22 | Vutral | is it true that ext2 is the safest filesystem around ? |
| 13:35.27 | r3tex | =/ |
| 13:35.27 | Vutral | beside ffs |
| 13:35.37 | dvs | Vutral: for linux, for sure |
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| 13:35.52 | dvs | Vutral: ext3 is a bit safer |
| 13:36.16 | Vutral | hum |
| 13:37.12 | Vutral | *reinstalling spamassassin* |
| 13:38.50 | kpanic | ok, I reformulate. where fvwm picks his default config? |
| 13:39.26 | Malagmyr | How can I get all the machines in my LAN to send their system mail (for root and stuff) to this machine? Looking for the simplest way to do this. |
| 13:39.51 | Malagmyr | Any howtos or anything? For an MTA n00b? |
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| 13:41.51 | liable | Malagmyr: mta isnt for newbs :/ |
| 13:42.00 | liable | Malagmyr: mail is hard! |
| 13:42.08 | liable | !be a mail barbie |
| 13:42.08 | dpkg | Aww, mail is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
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| 13:42.31 | Malagmyr | liable: well, I gotta learn it sometime... I just want a basic setup that'll allow me to read all the root mail on one machine. |
| 13:44.15 | infernix | learn sendmail. when you have, you're a MTAster |
| 13:45.04 | Malagmyr | ... |
| 13:45.08 | Malagmyr | you're kidding, right? |
| 13:45.30 | infernix | honestly though, (yes) dpkg-reconfigure exim on all machines. have only one active for mail and let the rest use that one (no local maill) |
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| 13:46.02 | Malagmyr | right :) |
| 13:46.04 | cahoot | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config -no? |
| 13:46.05 | infernix | but honestly, learning sendmail is how I started back in the day. |
| 13:46.10 | infernix | i dunno. i never use exim. |
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| 13:46.58 | infernix | sendmail can do it as well, with sendmailconfig. but i can only guess exim will be easier to setup |
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| 13:47.06 | wishkah | I'm getting "could not open default font 'fixed'" on a newly installed debian (etch) |
| 13:47.13 | asg | !fixed |
| 13:47.13 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
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| 13:47.46 | wishkah | ah, hehe, thanks |
| 13:47.47 | bart416_ | wooohooo, got linux on my laptop, now i need to get xserver on this thing :| |
| 13:47.51 | bart416_ | and network drivers loaded |
| 13:47.52 | CHodapp | uh... why not just start X with the '-fp' option? |
| 13:48.38 | asg | bart416_: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 13:49.04 | dls-resulnx | Hi, why mine lilo always changes to the partitions fat, changing them for hiddem! Somebody could help? |
| 13:49.06 | bart416_ | asg, srry but its not debian :| |
| 13:49.07 | wishkah | hm, installing xfonts-base fixed it. any clue why it wasn't installed automagically? My fault? |
| 13:49.15 | bart416_ | installing debian was impossible |
| 13:49.26 | bart416_ | net setup refused to even think about configuring the network |
| 13:49.35 | asg | bart416_: then why are you asking in here? Try #xfree86, #xorg, or #<insert name of your distro here> |
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| 13:49.54 | infernix | bart416_: now that linux is on it, replace it. http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 13:50.10 | asg | wishkah: if you are using X apps on a machine but displaying them on another, such fonts aren't needed. That's why they aren't dependancies. |
| 13:51.23 | dls-resulnx | Hi, why mine lilo always changes to the partitions fat, changing them for hiddem! Somebody could help? |
| 13:51.31 | wishkah | asg: but they should be recommended, and I'm almost 100% ceratain I installed all recommended packages |
| 13:51.46 | bart416_ | asg, did i ask something :| |
| 13:52.27 | asg | bart416_: then why even mention it in here? |
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| 13:53.24 | bart416_ | asg, i don't make any sense |
| 13:53.25 | bart416_ | ... |
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| 13:54.21 | bart416_ | asg, anyway if i get the network drivers to work i could install debian |
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| 13:54.33 | bart416_ | But i first need a working distro for that |
| 13:54.50 | af6 | how can I tell unrar to extract files from archives in different folders, without entering each folder by itself? |
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| 13:55.10 | liable | bart416_: you need to find out your network chipset and what kernel supports it |
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| 13:55.15 | dls-resulnx | Hi, why mine lilo always changes to the partitions fat, changing them for hiddem! Somebody could help? |
| 13:55.19 | bart416_ | liable, its a pcmcia card |
| 13:55.34 | liable | bart416_: so? |
| 13:55.49 | bart416_ | 3com 3cxfem656c |
| 13:55.52 | liable | bart416_: find out what chipset it has... |
| 13:56.08 | liable | bart416_: coll, now google |
| 13:56.09 | bart416_ | Support for the card is available for kernel 2.4.x |
| 13:56.13 | liable | cool.. |
| 13:56.37 | bart416_ | [pcmcia-cs driver: 3c575_cb] [x86] |
| 13:56.37 | bart416_ | [2.4+ kernel driver: 3c59x] |
| 13:56.37 | bart416_ | [ ethernet only: the modem is a WinModem! ] |
| 13:56.37 | bart416_ | 3Com 3CCFEM656B, 3CXFEM656C |
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| 13:56.43 | Vutral | HE |
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| 13:56.46 | bart416_ | oops :| |
| 13:56.51 | bart416_ | i keep forgetting that |
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| 13:57.03 | Hoxzer | does debian allow ssh connection from internet by default? |
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| 13:57.37 | liable | Hoxzer: sarge installs and runs sshd by default, yes |
| 13:57.42 | Malagmyr | Is a machine that's set up with Exim4 and accepting mail from the outside a smarthost? |
| 13:58.09 | Malagmyr | Or just an SMTP server? |
| 13:58.23 | liable | Malagmyr: when they say smarthost, it means exim4 will send to another email sever |
| 13:59.14 | Malagmyr | leable: that's the idea. I want them all to send their mail to this one, and I've configured this one to recieve mail from 192.168.1.*. So i set the others to use this one as a smarthost? |
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| 14:02.35 | Hoxzer | If I install gnome and fluxbox how do I define which one will be started on startup? |
| 14:02.56 | liable | Malagmyr: no, its just a plain old mail sevver |
| 14:03.00 | liable | server |
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| 14:03.08 | liable | no smarthost |
| 14:03.16 | Bry2k200 | Hoxzer; at boot time you can choose |
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| 14:03.27 | liable | if he has a dm.. |
| 14:03.31 | Malagmyr | liable: ok. I'll try that |
| 14:03.35 | Hoxzer | Bry2k200: how can I make a default one? |
| 14:03.42 | Bry2k200 | at boot time |
| 14:03.43 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 14:03.43 | Hoxzer | Bry2k200: that it wouldn't even ask |
| 14:03.48 | stoned | children |
| 14:03.56 | stoned | as root: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 14:03.57 | liable | dad! |
| 14:03.59 | stoned | and chose what you want |
| 14:04.04 | mrrcparish | whats the best ftpd for debian? |
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| 14:04.08 | Hoxzer | stoned: ok :) |
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| 14:04.14 | asg | !best |
| 14:04.15 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:04.15 | Vutral | is it true that debian is the best distribution ^^ |
| 14:04.20 | Hoxzer | stoned: need to install gnome for nxserver |
| 14:04.20 | asg | Vutral: ^^ |
| 14:04.26 | liable | stoned: you sure that works?? hmm |
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| 14:04.26 | Vutral | asg: ^^ |
| 14:04.27 | cusco | is there a software which allows me to extract the files from a ghost image file.gho? |
| 14:04.45 | Vutral | cusco: use open source please |
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| 14:05.02 | Vutral | cusco: ghost uses a proprietary format and everyone who wants to write such tools get kicked in his ass |
| 14:05.07 | asg | Vutral: that means 'look up' (specifically at the best factoid the bot just printed.) |
| 14:05.07 | mrrcparish | which do u thing is a good ftpd then? |
| 14:05.09 | Buckshot | hello sorry for my english i am french , i have remplaced bash par zsh and now only command not found for all command , plz help me |
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| 14:05.28 | asg | mrrcparish: there is no such thing as 'good ftpd' in this day and age. |
| 14:05.29 | Vutral | !best |
| 14:05.29 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:05.34 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 14:05.37 | mrrcparish | lol |
| 14:05.39 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 14:05.40 | dpkg | i guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 14:05.43 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 14:05.44 | Vutral | !best men at work |
| 14:05.44 | dpkg | i guess msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 14:05.51 | Buckshot | hello sorry for my english i am french , i have remplaced bash par zsh and now only command not found for all command , plz help me |
| 14:05.52 | stoned | vulture, please use /msg |
| 14:05.59 | Vutral | k k |
| 14:06.04 | asg | Vutral: Cargo |
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| 14:06.22 | ft | Buckshot: print $path |
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| 14:06.43 | criminy | I think I need to downgrade udev, any suggestions on going about doing that? |
| 14:07.01 | liable | criminy: why do you think that? |
| 14:07.08 | Buckshot | thanks you |
| 14:07.21 | criminy | A post saying an upgrade from 91 to 94 broke ipw2100 |
| 14:07.30 | ft | Buckshot: there's #zsh if you need more zsh support. |
| 14:07.31 | liable | Buckshot: why dont you just undo what you did? |
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| 14:08.20 | liable | criminy: your problem is *building* ipw2100, not using it.. |
| 14:08.36 | criminy | I've build it just fine |
| 14:08.47 | criminy | just not in m-a |
| 14:08.56 | stoned | liable, man update-alternatives |
| 14:09.05 | allefant | how can I install an SSL certificate into Debian (so fetchmail stops printing warnings like "fetchmail: Server certificate verification error: unable to get local issuer certificate")? |
| 14:09.11 | liable | stoned: thanks! |
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| 14:09.18 | stoned | liable, sure |
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| 14:09.36 | ft | Buckshot: additionally, <https://lists.asyd.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/shell> is a french mailinglist for zsh users. |
| 14:09.44 | novata_peleona | which package do i need for java? |
| 14:09.46 | liable | criminy: if you must downgrade it, use aptitude |
| 14:09.56 | stoned | novata_peleona, which debian release are you using? |
| 14:10.11 | novata_peleona | testing |
| 14:10.47 | criminy | ah, forgot about aptitude |
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| 14:11.07 | stoned | novata_peleona, sid contains jre etc. for sarge you have to make the packages, for testing, I don't konw, but you can use sid packages there as backports or if dependencies don't give you a problem, you can install sid jre package on etch |
| 14:11.32 | kelan | is there something i should look for to fix when chroot complains that it can't find the given command to run, regardless of what command i give? even shells don't work |
| 14:11.34 | liable | hrm, does etch do java yet |
| 14:11.43 | neenaoffline | I have installed debian from the etch unstable |
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| 14:11.52 | neenaoffline | how do I add repos ? |
| 14:11.55 | novata_peleona | stoned, makina:/usr/src# aptitude search jre |
| 14:11.55 | novata_peleona | p docbook-jrefentr |
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| 14:12.08 | sponzor | how to open a cdrom in shell? |
| 14:12.13 | liable | !info sun-java5-bin etch |
| 14:12.25 | neenaoffline | sponzor: normally ? |
| 14:12.31 | novata_peleona | liable, ?? |
| 14:12.38 | liable | hrm, nope |
| 14:12.42 | liable | novata_peleona: what? |
| 14:12.43 | ft | sponzor: cdcd can do it, cdrecord can. and i think there's a eject command... |
| 14:12.45 | sponzor | is it posible to open it in shell |
| 14:12.49 | neenaoffline | sponzor: sudo mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /mount/folder |
| 14:12.51 | stoned | novata_peleona, /msg dpkg install java |
| 14:12.58 | allefant | sponzor: eject |
| 14:13.00 | neenaoffline | sponzor: cd /mount/point |
| 14:13.07 | neenaoffline | sponzor: ls |
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| 14:13.08 | neenaoffline | ?? |
| 14:13.13 | stoned | novata_peleona, doh nevermind on that |
| 14:13.17 | NameTab | hello |
| 14:13.17 | neenaoffline | how do I add repos to apt ? |
| 14:13.18 | allefant | "eject -t" to close it again |
| 14:13.22 | sponzor | eject works |
| 14:13.23 | sponzor | tnx |
| 14:13.24 | sponzor | :D |
| 14:13.26 | liable | !why is sun-java5-bin not in testing?? |
| 14:13.26 | dpkg | sun-java5-bin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=sun-java5-bin |
| 14:13.30 | kelan | neenaoffline: add them to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:13.36 | neenaoffline | sponzor: oh , open ! |
| 14:13.54 | sponzor | yeah. i have bad english :P |
| 14:14.00 | stoned | novata_peleona, backport them from unstable. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:14.08 | liable | sucks ass |
| 14:14.15 | neenaoffline | sponzor: you said right , I interpretted it wrong :) |
| 14:14.29 | sponzor | :) |
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| 14:14.49 | novata_peleona | stoned, which package need it to search? |
| 14:15.19 | novata_peleona | stoned, i just installed java from here:http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp |
| 14:15.24 | zamuro | novata_peleona: What are you looking for? Java? |
| 14:15.31 | sponzor | ok i did eject and insert another cd in it. and when i open cdrom folder the data in that folder is from te previse cdrom that was inside |
| 14:15.32 | sponzor | ? |
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| 14:15.33 | stoned | novata_peleona, add a deb-src for sid, and add contrib non-free archives |
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| 14:15.40 | sponzor | what to do? |
| 14:15.52 | novata_peleona | zamuro, browser. Firefox |
| 14:16.00 | neenaoffline | !sources.list generator |
| 14:16.01 | kelan | sponzor: you need to unmount the old one and mount the new one |
| 14:16.09 | stoned | novata_peleona, update and apt-get build-dep sun-java5-jre && apt-get -b source sun-java5-jre |
| 14:16.12 | sponzor | that sux |
| 14:16.20 | stoned | neenaoffline, this isn't ubuntu |
| 14:16.30 | sponzor | how to do that :P |
| 14:16.35 | neenaoffline | stoned: yeah , I guessed :) |
| 14:16.40 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 14:16.40 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 14:17.17 | master_of_master | hi, is it possible to export /dev/shm/ via nfs? If yes, how? A "normal" export doesn't work( getfh failed: Operation not permitted |
| 14:17.20 | master_of_master | ) |
| 14:17.47 | kelan | sponzor: where is it mounted right now? |
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| 14:18.57 | sponzor | when i do mount there is no cdrom. but it is in the root@VR6:/media/cdrom# |
| 14:19.02 | sponzor | i mean /media/cdrom |
| 14:19.03 | sponzor | :P |
| 14:19.12 | kelan | sponzor: umount /media/cdrom |
| 14:19.23 | kelan | sponzor: mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 14:19.25 | wishkah | setting up a debian system for my non-techie dad, he doesn't know how to mount his digicam so I want to do that automatically when he connects it (usb), how do I do that? |
| 14:19.44 | kelan | sponzor: that will unmount the old and mount the new |
| 14:19.48 | wishkah | problem is that the device file name might change (sda, sdb...) |
| 14:19.57 | sponzor | mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 14:19.59 | sponzor | hmm |
| 14:20.00 | sponzor | sux :P |
| 14:20.04 | cahoot | wishkah: gnome in etch handles even my three canons in that way |
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| 14:20.09 | sponzor | ok it works |
| 14:20.11 | sponzor | tnx |
| 14:20.20 | kelan | sponzor: what do you expect, you can't write to the cd:P |
| 14:20.25 | wishkah | cahoot: by default or do I have to install/configure sth? |
| 14:20.44 | cahoot | wishkah: did so by default to my surprise |
| 14:20.49 | sponzor | :P |
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| 14:22.58 | neenaoffline | could someone pastebin their sources.list ? |
| 14:23.07 | wishkah | cahoot: you're right, didn't know about that. Guess desktop gnu/linux really has come a long way :) |
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| 14:23.55 | asg | neenaoffline: there's an example in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
| 14:24.03 | bart416_ | yeah wishkah now it only takes 5 tries to install on strange hardware instead of 10 :P |
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| 14:34.05 | NameTab | why is it that everytime I reboot I need to run "xrfdb .Xdefaults" before my xterm uses the colors I've set in .Xdefaults? |
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| 14:38.16 | nopcode | does debian have builtin iptable management or is it all manual? |
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| 14:40.11 | Hoxzer | how can I configure (in text mode) which x-window-manager will be booted when gdm is loaded? |
| 14:40.23 | allefant | nopcode: i use /etc/init.d/iptables.. not sure that is considered manual or builtin |
| 14:40.44 | nopcode | ehrm |
| 14:40.51 | nopcode | if you didnt write it yourself it'd be builtin... |
| 14:41.59 | multi_io | NameTab: because it apparently doesn't do that automatically when you log into X |
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| 14:42.52 | neenaoffline | How do I configure my network ? I've installed using netinst.iso "etch unstable" |
| 14:42.55 | allefant | Hoxzer: probably somehow with gconftool (don't know though) |
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| 14:43.27 | NameTab | multi_io: well, that sounded logical already, let me refraze my question, how can I make X automatically do that? |
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| 14:43.43 | Coweater | NameTab: put it in .profile |
| 14:43.44 | NameTab | other linux installations never gave me this problem |
| 14:43.52 | asg | neenaoffline: man 5 interfaces (and etch is testing, sid is unstable) |
| 14:43.57 | Vutral | hum |
| 14:44.13 | multi_io | NameTab: the user startup script is /etc/X11/Xsession usually |
| 14:44.14 | Vutral | anyone here running a nforce 4 ultra board ? |
| 14:44.31 | Coweater | NameTab: you probably want to do it as a merge though xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 14:44.33 | multi_io | NameTab: it runs ~/.Xresources by default apparently |
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| 14:44.45 | neenaoffline | asg: it says "etch unstable" while logging in I think |
| 14:45.27 | multi_io | so eitehr copy everything into that, or create ~/.Xresources with contents >>#include ".Xdefaults"<< |
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| 14:47.23 | NameTab | I have no .Xresources yet, could that be the problem? :) |
| 14:47.34 | LaoTseu | you just have to put a line "xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults" (for example) in your ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 14:47.50 | LaoTseu | before the line who starts your WM |
| 14:48.27 | multi_io | NameTab: yes |
| 14:48.35 | NameTab | this is weird |
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| 14:49.52 | NameTab | I wonder why startx is able to startup firefox, because I also have neither the .xinitrc or the .xsession file |
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| 14:50.03 | wathek | hello |
| 14:50.09 | LaoTseu | NameTab: what's your wm ? |
| 14:50.13 | NameTab | fluxbox |
| 14:50.15 | multi_io | the distros differ in which user resources file they merge |
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| 14:50.26 | NameTab | ehh, with firefox I meant fluxbox |
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| 14:50.56 | NameTab | I'll try using a .xinitrc file like I do with my other linux boxes |
| 14:50.58 | multi_io | there is the default session file I mentioned, /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 14:51.11 | multi_io | it does reasonable default behaviour |
| 14:51.55 | multi_io | I think it starts /usr/bin/x-window-manager, which is symlinked to your default window manager |
| 14:52.26 | Malagmyr | Is /etc/network/interfaces all I need to change to switch from static IP to DHCP, or is there something else I need to change to make my box grab an IP automagically when it boots? |
| 14:53.16 | NameTab | brb |
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| 14:55.31 | cahoot | Malagmyr: iface eth0 inet dhcp is enough here (man interfaces) |
| 14:56.08 | Malagmyr | cahoot: yeah, I changed it to that. just wondering if there are any other files I need to tinker with too :) |
| 14:56.40 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 14:56.40 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 16h 50m 14s ago, saying: 'we'd need to see it in order to fix it'. |
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| 14:56.46 | NameTab | right |
| 14:56.47 | tarzeau | anyone play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros with me? |
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| 14:57.05 | NameTab | well, I suppose a simple .xinitrc with simply fluxbox solved tghe problem |
| 14:57.16 | quiet | hrm.. i keep seeign this message: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/var/lib/scrollkeeper/(null)/scrollkeeper_cl.xml" |
| 14:57.32 | quiet | i assume it's something wrong with locales? not really sure though. |
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| 15:01.14 | wathek | where is the network config file ? |
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| 15:01.35 | wathek | is it /etc/network/interface ? |
| 15:01.36 | quiet | /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:01.39 | wathek | ok |
| 15:01.40 | wathek | thanx |
| 15:02.53 | lakez | why won't smartctl work on /dev/sda ? thinks it's scsi but it's sata |
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| 15:04.17 | aubergine | smart dont work with sata |
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| 15:04.42 | lakez | actually i found a way.. you can run smartd but you can smartctl |
| 15:04.55 | lakez | In Linux, SATA disks accessed via libata are only supported by smartmontools |
| 15:04.55 | lakez | for kernel versions 2.6.15 and above. Try an additional '-d ata' argument. |
| 15:05.03 | lakez | smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sda worked |
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| 15:06.57 | quiet | this is the same message I'm getting... not sure if it's related to the same app though: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg223633.html |
| 15:07.08 | Vutral | W: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aptitude/aptitude_0.4.2-1_amd64.deb was corrupt |
| 15:07.11 | Vutral | W: Couldn't download package aptitude |
| 15:07.12 | Vutral | hum ^^ |
| 15:07.26 | quiet | apt-get clean and try again? |
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| 15:07.36 | Vutral | this is debootstrap |
| 15:07.44 | quiet | oh. |
| 15:07.49 | quiet | dunno then. |
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| 15:10.52 | sparr_ | how might i get the gcc or binutils info pages installed in debian? |
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| 15:15.29 | shriphani | guys i got a problem cuz being a n00b i am unable to analyze it |
| 15:15.41 | shriphani | i burned the debian iso to cd and booted off it |
| 15:16.03 | shriphani | and the process got stuck at "loading installer components from cd" |
| 15:16.14 | shriphani | can i get any feedback on this ? |
| 15:16.49 | Malagmyr | How can I get the machine's name in a script? A variable or a command or something... |
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| 15:17.14 | Bushmills | Malagmyr: hostname |
| 15:17.14 | shriphani | erm anyone ? |
| 15:17.22 | Malagmyr | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 15:17.54 | Bushmills | Malagmyr: or $HOSTNAME |
| 15:17.56 | shriphani | Bushmills, can you help me ? |
| 15:18.07 | kepht | Malagmyr: name=`hostname`; echo $name |
| 15:18.08 | Bushmills | shriphani: not with that bit of information you give |
| 15:18.19 | Malagmyr | goodie! |
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| 15:18.27 | shriphani | mm can you tell me what else to add in there ? |
| 15:18.50 | shriphani | it couldnt load something starting with j |
| 15:19.10 | shriphani | and after two failed attempts i had to abort the installation |
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| 15:19.20 | Bushmills | shriphani: what you say is basically "i burned a cd image, and it didn't boot". i have no idea what could be wrong, and no information to find out. |
| 15:19.30 | shriphani | it booted Bushmills |
| 15:19.44 | shriphani | the thing is it couldnt load installer components from cd |
| 15:20.04 | shriphani | is there any way i can check the integrity of the image ? |
| 15:20.14 | Bushmills | "booted off it - and the process got stuck " ... see how little info you give? |
| 15:20.19 | shriphani | hmmm |
| 15:20.34 | shriphani | well lets say it asked me for my keymap type |
| 15:20.39 | shriphani | i said american english |
| 15:20.41 | abrocadabro | while I was trying to resize my ipod on /dev/sdb and accidently delete my partition table on /dev/sda, is there is way to recovery it? |
| 15:20.51 | shriphani | then asked me where i live |
| 15:21.01 | shriphani | i selected india |
| 15:21.16 | shriphani | then it began loading installer components from cd |
| 15:21.23 | neenaoffline | shriphani: where in India ? |
| 15:21.29 | shriphani | hyderabad |
| 15:21.41 | shriphani | i am on ubuntu now and i am positively pissed off by it |
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| 15:22.22 | shriphani | neenaoffline, do you have dependency hells when you compile from source ? |
| 15:22.24 | robin_sz | abrocadabro, do you have a copy of the table, ie what was what, start and end sectors? |
| 15:22.25 | jelly-home | shriphani: if you don't get useful help here, try #debian or #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:22.42 | shriphani | jelly-home, thank you very much :) |
| 15:22.45 | neenaoffline | shriphani: I don't compile from source |
| 15:22.59 | shriphani | oh the repos are so well updated ? |
| 15:23.04 | neenaoffline | shriphani: I'm from hyderabad too , I'm on ubuntu too ! |
| 15:23.10 | Kronoz | hi, which the d-i etch installer beta 3 will it install xorg correctly? when i've tried to install testing before it fails on installing xorg, but it will install from inside the system ok |
| 15:23.11 | neenaoffline | shriphani: /j #ubuntu-ap |
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| 15:23.11 | shriphani | damn i want debian... i want want want |
| 15:23.15 | Kronoz | s/which/will |
| 15:23.22 | neenaoffline | shriphani: /j #ubuntu-ap ? |
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| 15:24.17 | robin_sz | abrocadabro, the recomendation after partitioning a disc is to copy the partition table off or print it out and file it, so if you need to recover it, you can just re-patition with the same start and end points .. |
| 15:24.28 | abrocadabro | robin_sz: I can get them from /proc/partitions |
| 15:25.38 | robin_sz | abrocadabro, thats only sizes |
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| 15:25.53 | robin_sz | it may/may not be contiguous |
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| 15:26.29 | abrocadabro | robin_sz: that's as far as I can find, any other ways to recovery the partition table? |
| 15:26.51 | robin_sz | not really, if you didnt print it out ... |
| 15:26.57 | robin_sz | not easily anyway |
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| 15:28.53 | zebalin4 | I want to shrink a partition so it ends on a cyl boundry. (I know the risks). How do I determine that? Divisible by some number? 32? 1024? |
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| 15:29.02 | harleyg | ^^ back :) |
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| 15:29.12 | robin_sz | abrocadabro, I suggest {when|if} you recover it you do "fdisk -l /dev/hda | lpr" and put the piece of paper somewhere safe |
| 15:29.29 | harleyg | exim4-config broke, i cant upgrade it install it manually |
| 15:30.30 | abrocadabro | robin_sz: will do that, thanks |
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| 15:32.28 | JoelR | Hi, i have a problem, if i do from console "startx" it enters in xfce4 without problem, but if i select it from gdm, it enters but then don't appear any menues or panels.. i think gdm is reading other conf? any ideas? |
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| 15:32.30 | wathek | is it possible to get the latest version of the kernel with apt-get ? |
| 15:32.52 | tarzeau | wathek: no |
| 15:33.05 | wathek | tarzeau, huh ?! |
| 15:33.24 | tarzeau | wathek: the binary packages of linux kernels are always a bit slower than what www.kernel.org provides |
| 15:33.35 | tarzeau | wathek: thus the answer to your question is no |
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| 15:33.50 | wathek | so the latest version is 2.4.27-2-386 ??! |
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| 15:34.03 | tarzeau | wathek: no the latest is 2.4.33.1 and 2.4.34-pre1 |
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| 15:34.15 | tarzeau | wathek: as well as 2.6.17.9/2.6.18-rc4 |
| 15:34.49 | wathek | tarzeau, I can't get the 2.6.17 version with apt-get ? |
| 15:34.53 | wathek | or the 2.6.18 ? |
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| 15:35.01 | tarzeau | wathek: i don't think so, but you can try |
| 15:35.23 | wathek | tarzeau, how ? |
| 15:35.24 | tarzeau | wathek: you know apt-cache search ? look for linux-image |
| 15:35.58 | wathek | linux-image ? |
| 15:36.36 | tarzeau | wathek: yes? |
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| 15:36.41 | tarzeau | wathek: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 15:36.48 | tarzeau | wathek: you've got sid? or stable? |
| 15:37.01 | tarzeau | wathek: mabye kernel-image ... |
| 15:37.03 | petriborg | man the guys in #firefox are about as chatty as a dead corps :-) |
| 15:37.34 | wathek | ok |
| 15:37.37 | wathek | thanx |
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| 15:40.22 | petriborg | course i seem to have the power to kill the chat with a single message, kapow! dead and gone... |
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| 15:41.02 | antiPosix | I have an Ensoniq Audio/PCI card. should debian automatically detect it(during install) and create the proper entries in modules.conf for the ALSA drivers? |
| 15:41.08 | Vutral | W: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/libgcrypt11/libgcrypt11_1.2.2-3_amd64.deb was corrupt |
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| 15:41.11 | Vutral | W: Couldn't download package libgcrypt11 |
| 15:41.14 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 15:41.55 | Malagmyr | antiPosix: I'd imagine you would have to install ALSA, run alsaconf and then see... |
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| 15:42.47 | antiPosix | a post install thing? |
| 15:43.01 | antiPosix | nevermind dumb question |
| 15:43.12 | zebalin4 | Anyone have any idea how to fix sda1 so it ends on a cyl bountry?: http://paste.debian.net/11251 (I know the risks... I'm backed up) |
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| 15:43.34 | Malagmyr | antiPosix: well, I've never configured sound during install, other than what miraculously works with OSS... but don't take my word for it not being possible... |
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| 15:48.04 | Hoxzer | .xinitrc <- where is that located in debian? |
| 15:48.24 | quitte | has someone tried installing debian on a ata over ethernet root? can the installer be tricked into supporting that? |
| 15:48.29 | zinx | ~/ but, use ~/.xsession |
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| 15:49.22 | Hoxzer | zinx: I couldn't find that one :/ |
| 15:49.51 | zinx | that's because neither exists until you create them |
| 15:50.04 | zinx | if you create ~/.xinitrc, you effectively override absolutely everything else |
| 15:50.06 | Hoxzer | zinx: so it isn't required if you run x :o |
| 15:50.11 | zinx | that's something you probably don't want to do. |
| 15:50.19 | zinx | Hoxzer: right |
| 15:50.52 | NameTab | Hoxzer: if you create those files you can run x with settings you want to use |
| 15:51.28 | NameTab | for example, if you have multiple users, every user can have his own .xsession or .xinitrc and both will be able to start different window managers by the same command: startx |
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| 15:51.56 | nxtw | do the debian etch cds use the evil known as grub? |
| 15:52.11 | zinx | nxtw: hopefully. grub's far better than lilo. |
| 15:52.13 | NameTab | grub evil? |
| 15:52.17 | nxtw | why would a CD use lilo |
| 15:52.30 | nxtw | grub is evil because this bug does not seem to be fixed. http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=11723 |
| 15:52.51 | enouf | antiPosix: which version of deb are you installing - also try '/msg dpkg alsa' for info on installing, configuring alsa and it's modules - a 'lspci' should detect it and 'cat /proc/asound/cards' should as well |
| 15:53.05 | zinx | nxtw: no, it doesn't use GRUB as a boot loader for the actual CD |
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| 15:53.20 | zinx | nxtw: it should default to installing grub as the boot loader for the hard drive |
| 15:53.25 | Vutral | mhm |
| 15:53.30 | nxtw | the latest gentoo and nexenta cds use grub and they will not boot on a usb cd |
| 15:53.31 | Vutral | i think unstable is considerably stable |
| 15:53.32 | Vutral | ^^ |
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| 15:54.07 | dendrite | Vutral: Unstable is NOT stable. |
| 15:54.23 | wsjunior | whats the make-kpkg command to compile a kernel? i already configured everything and just wnat to compile it using the debian way.. could anybody help me? |
| 15:54.28 | jelly-home | dendrite: go figure ;-) |
| 15:54.44 | NameTab | doesn't unstable mean that it's still being tested and updated ? not that it runs like crap and unstable? |
| 15:54.50 | NameTab | like windows >:) |
| 15:55.04 | zinx | unstable means the packages may be broken |
| 15:55.10 | dendrite | NameTab: Pretty much. But it also means that major changes that break stuff are possible. |
| 15:55.20 | zinx | testing means the packages shouldn't be broken, but we're making sure |
| 15:55.27 | zinx | experimental means the packages *ARE* broken |
| 15:55.44 | wsjunior | could anybody give me a link to debian way to compile a kernel? |
| 15:55.50 | wsjunior | using make-kpkg |
| 15:56.02 | dendrite | wsjunior: man make-kpkg for starters. |
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| 15:56.15 | wsjunior | it wasnt helpfull for me |
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| 15:56.22 | jelly-home | wsjunior: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 15:56.26 | wsjunior | im looking for a tutorial.. or something like that |
| 15:56.30 | dendrite | wsjunior: Just means you need to re-read it. |
| 15:56.30 | odla | wsjunior: also you could try googling 'debian compile kernel' |
| 15:56.51 | wsjunior | is there any official wiki? |
| 15:56.56 | wsjunior | i new on debian |
| 15:57.02 | NameTab | http://wiki.debian.org/BuildYourOwnKernel |
| 15:57.08 | NameTab | google for wiki compile kernel debian |
| 15:57.12 | NameTab | not that hard |
| 15:57.17 | wsjunior | thanks NameTab |
| 15:57.24 | dendrite | wsjunior: I don't use initrd when I build my own kernels, and use this: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --revision 1 --append_to_version -`date +%Y%m%d%H%M` kernel_image |
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| 15:57.49 | NameTab | wiki++ |
| 15:58.01 | wsjunior | dendrite: i did that but i get a kernel panic.. VFS.. i think its because initrd |
| 15:58.13 | tuv | wsjunior, also see /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
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| 15:58.20 | dendrite | wsjunior: So add --initrd, for starters. |
| 15:58.38 | wsjunior | ok |
| 15:58.42 | wsjunior | ill try |
| 15:58.52 | dendrite | wsjunior: Again, check the man page |
| 15:59.18 | dendrite | wsjunior: You can search in man pages by typing '/' followed by text to search for... |
| 15:59.27 | zoid | is there an easy way to log sftp activity (files transffered, time connected, anything)? |
| 15:59.37 | dementt | Hmm, could someone help me out, www.clan-detained.com/forum <- At mysql -channel they told me to come whine over here ;) The thing is that I can´t even access phpmyadmin, anyone here to help me out.? |
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| 16:01.24 | chable | hi |
| 16:01.25 | chable | ne1 alive |
| 16:01.36 | bws42 | nope |
| 16:01.40 | chable | ok sorry |
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| 16:02.21 | NameTab | chable: watch out I don't eat you, I've got carrots for dinner |
| 16:02.22 | chable | how do i upgrade the kernel using apt-get ? |
| 16:02.32 | chable | NameTab, i dont taste good anyways |
| 16:02.34 | Hoxzer | what package does install fixed font? |
| 16:02.38 | NameTab | chable: neither do carrots |
| 16:02.39 | dendrite | chable: apt-get install <kernel binary package> |
| 16:03.04 | chable | dendrite, thanks |
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| 16:03.12 | chable | i cant find the right package |
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| 16:03.23 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: I guess xfonts-base |
| 16:03.33 | dendrite | chable: Or, dpkg -i <package file name> if you created a kernel package locally, e.g., with make-kpkg. |
| 16:03.36 | odla | does anyone how how to get the sensors applet working on xfce4.4beta2? i have acpid installed and xsensors |
| 16:03.50 | chable | ill download the kernel source |
| 16:04.19 | Hoxzer | jelly-home: nx server complains that cannot find default font "fixed" and xfonts-base is newest version |
| 16:04.24 | thingfish | chable: which version of debian are you using? |
| 16:04.36 | chable | 3.1 |
| 16:04.37 | chable | sarge |
| 16:04.40 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: does "xlsfonts | grep fixed" report anything? |
| 16:04.50 | thingfish | chable: and which kernel version are you wanting? |
| 16:04.55 | chable | latest |
| 16:05.05 | thingfish | chable: have you tried backports.org? |
| 16:05.16 | chable | no |
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| 16:05.17 | harleyg | hi.. |
| 16:05.39 | chable | 404 |
| 16:05.39 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: make that xlsfonts | grep '^fixed$' |
| 16:05.41 | harleyg | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BpliKR62.html |
| 16:05.53 | harleyg | getting some errors with exim-config |
| 16:06.12 | thingfish | oh huh, I wonder what happened to backports. |
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| 16:06.21 | chable | what was that website ? |
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| 16:07.17 | harleyg | hmm anyone? :) |
| 16:07.56 | chable | thingfish, u think 2.6.17 would be fine ? |
| 16:08.04 | bbelt16ag | whats the app for configuring the firewall in console mode for debian? |
| 16:08.20 | Hoxzer | jelly-home: it says two times "fixed" |
| 16:08.34 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: so it is installed. |
| 16:08.35 | thingfish | chable: from which source? |
| 16:08.41 | Hoxzer | jelly-home: damn ... |
| 16:08.43 | thingfish | chable: from kernel.org source? |
| 16:08.45 | tuv | bbelt16ag, iptables.. and there are plenty of front-ends |
| 16:08.45 | chable | yes |
| 16:08.52 | Hoxzer | jelly-home: :/ what is this then |
| 16:08.53 | chable | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 16:08.59 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: do you have xfonts-base on the nx server? |
| 16:09.14 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 16:09.30 | thingfish | chable: who knows...if you know what you're doing, go for it. |
| 16:09.44 | chable | i dont know what im doing |
| 16:09.47 | chable | but i will try :) |
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| 16:10.17 | harleyg | can someone help me? |
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| 16:11.53 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: does eg. "xterm -fn fixed" work? |
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| 16:11.56 | Vutral | Awwaa |
| 16:11.56 | thingfish | chable: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.16/ |
| 16:11.57 | Vutral | does debian run on XEN `? |
| 16:11.57 | NameTab | google hits on my tecra 8100 are all outdated, anybody experience with a four button mouse on a laptop? |
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| 16:11.57 | chable | thank you thingfish |
| 16:11.58 | thingfish | np |
| 16:11.58 | odla | ion3 is so fast...vroom vroom |
| 16:11.59 | Vutral | xen |
| 16:11.59 | Vutral | ! |
| 16:12.02 | chable | now what should i choose from there ? |
| 16:12.14 | harleyg | damn it,.. |
| 16:12.17 | thingfish | chable: that depends on your hardware. |
| 16:12.25 | chable | i need sata suport |
| 16:12.28 | thingfish | chable: which kind of processor? |
| 16:12.36 | Vutral | amd64 i guess ^^ |
| 16:12.37 | chable | intel pentium D |
| 16:12.40 | chable | 2.8 |
| 16:12.42 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 16:12.43 | chable | dual core |
| 16:12.43 | Vutral | ieh |
| 16:12.46 | Vutral | pentium stinks |
| 16:12.48 | quitte | B/window 9 |
| 16:12.52 | thingfish | well the sarge 2.6.8 kernels have sata support, although maybe for not the latest and greatest. |
| 16:12.56 | chable | vulture, give me 1 single reason |
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| 16:13.02 | nxtw | 2.6.8 doesn't support the sil 3132. |
| 16:13.08 | Vutral | chable: because they make amd expensive |
| 16:13.09 | chable | erm Vutral |
| 16:13.17 | odla | does mutt support smtp? |
| 16:13.18 | Vutral | with their patents |
| 16:13.18 | thingfish | chable: then get the 2.6.16 686 smp one. |
| 16:13.22 | chable | Vutral, thats not a reaosn to say that Pentium sucks |
| 16:13.22 | Vutral | ^^ |
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| 16:13.37 | bbelt16ag | nothing set |
| 16:13.42 | Vutral | amd = mhz/watt ratio is best |
| 16:13.47 | nxtw | except for the new core 2 |
| 16:13.51 | chable | amd SUCKS |
| 16:13.52 | thingfish | chable: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp_2.6.16-16bpo1_i386.deb I would think. |
| 16:13.57 | nxtw | or a core (mobile) |
| 16:13.58 | Vutral | amd rulez |
| 16:14.00 | chable | maybe if u are playing games on your pc , its good |
| 16:14.12 | chable | but for aplications , amd sucks big time |
| 16:14.18 | chable | i dont wanna talk about errors and blues screens |
| 16:14.19 | zinx | haha |
| 16:14.23 | Hoxzer | jelly-home: yes... I think the font path is wrong |
| 16:14.25 | zinx | wth |
| 16:14.33 | Vutral | chable: i never got a blue screen under linux |
| 16:14.39 | zinx | AMD doesn't cause errors or blue screens :/ |
| 16:14.42 | chable | Vutral, try windows then |
| 16:14.44 | chable | with amd |
| 16:14.46 | thingfish | chable: you'd probably better get the matching headers while you're at it. |
| 16:14.53 | zinx | if you're going to hate them, hate them for the right reasons, or just 'cause |
| 16:14.55 | Vutral | debian != windows ^^ |
| 16:15.00 | harleyg | can someone please help me with apt-get upgrade: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BpliKR62.html |
| 16:15.00 | zinx | don't hate them for some false reasons :D |
| 16:15.00 | NameTab | chable: *windows* causes bluescreens, why do you think I've stopped using windows? |
| 16:15.11 | chable | NameTab, i was using xp for 3 yrs |
| 16:15.17 | NameTab | zinx: just ''cause is a good reason lol |
| 16:15.18 | chable | and i never had a single blue screen |
| 16:15.23 | zinx | NameTab: ja |
| 16:15.30 | chable | with Intel , of course |
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| 16:15.39 | zinx | NameTab: but he's hating them because AMD causes blue screens and errors |
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| 16:15.56 | jelly-home | Hoxzer: it's strange that xterm can find it and nx can't |
| 16:15.57 | zinx | NameTab: which is no where near as good as just 'cause, and IMHO he should be sacked for it :D |
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| 16:16.05 | NameTab | zinx: lol :) |
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| 16:16.25 | NameTab | zinx: I think he should be sacked just for not liking AMD already :P |
| 16:16.34 | chable | brb , i need to reboot |
| 16:16.39 | zinx | NameTab: i try to be open-minded :D |
| 16:16.40 | harleyg | am i being ignored here? |
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| 16:16.58 | nceterval | I'm using Sid and need to release/renew a dhcp ip address. Google suggested the 'pump' or 'dhcpd' programs, which I don't seem to have installed. What is in Debian by default for this? |
| 16:17.06 | NameTab | need to reboot? is he still using windows? |
| 16:17.19 | zinx | nceterval: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 16:17.34 | bws42 | nceterval the program is called 'dhclient' |
| 16:17.45 | beardy | If he is running sid, he is able to find out. |
| 16:17.47 | harleyg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.57 | nceterval | zinx, Tanks |
| 16:18.10 | jelly-home | bws42: might it not be dhcpcd or pump too? |
| 16:18.28 | bws42 | jelly-home the default is dhclient though isn't it? |
| 16:18.42 | NameTab | bws42: or dhcpcd, that works too |
| 16:19.35 | NameTab | I've read a summary once about three different dhcp programs, one was really bad and two, dhclient and dhcpcd were both just bad |
| 16:19.46 | harleyg | damn it. |
| 16:19.50 | harleyg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.56 | bws42 | I'm not saying one is better or worse, it's just been my experience that by default dhclient is not installed, instead of the others |
| 16:20.06 | jelly-home | bws42: frankly, no idea. strings `which ifup` suggests any of {dhclient3,dhclient,udhcpc,dhcpcd} |
| 16:20.10 | tralala | harleyg: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 16:20.12 | chable | ok |
| 16:20.15 | bws42 | NameTab bad in which way? |
| 16:20.22 | harleyg | tralala... dude ive been asking for 10mins |
| 16:20.32 | chable | harleyg, i cant help u |
| 16:20.36 | harleyg | tralala, they just talking about dhcp |
| 16:20.43 | bws42 | jelly-home I agree, but if he was looking for the package it could have been dhclient |
| 16:20.57 | tralala | harleyg: this is why you need to know how to ask here |
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| 16:21.05 | NameTab | bws42: I forgot, but both have flaws of some kind somewhere lol |
| 16:21.09 | harleyg | i gave enough info.. |
| 16:21.09 | Vutral | he |
| 16:21.17 | harleyg | i even used rafb. |
| 16:21.20 | bws42 | NameTab fair enough |
| 16:21.53 | NameTab | bws42: I use dhclient on my laptop and dhcpcd on my pc, in a normal network, both work fine, so I don't really care :) |
| 16:21.53 | quitte | harleyg: i'd use postfix and send a bugreport. |
| 16:22.12 | jelly-home | harleyg: maybe there's more folks have experience with dhcp than with exim. |
| 16:22.14 | harleyg | well i cant upgrade my machine. |
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| 16:22.27 | harleyg | its not just exim i think, the package is broke.,.. |
| 16:22.29 | NameTab | I don't even know what exim is supposed to do? |
| 16:22.46 | bws42 | it's an MTA |
| 16:22.46 | quitte | harleyg: thats what i think to. bugs.debian.org |
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| 16:23.01 | tralala | harleyg: You only need to update if you use etch or sid. In both the cases you should be skilled enough to do it yourself. |
| 16:23.03 | chable | does debian see the NTFS partitions ? |
| 16:23.13 | harleyg | hmm |
| 16:23.26 | NameTab | chable: I think linux is supposed to be able to read NTFS partitions, but it defenitely can't write it |
| 16:23.38 | chable | just reads |
| 16:23.44 | harleyg | tralala, dist-upgrade, ya? |
| 16:23.45 | chable | coz i have 70 GB of storage |
| 16:23.49 | chable | on NTFS |
| 16:23.58 | NameTab | chable: it should be, can't you mount the partitions? |
| 16:23.58 | JMT | yes yuo can write too with ntfs-3g |
| 16:23.59 | epsilon | write on NTFS is on your own risk |
| 16:24.01 | chable | slackware sees them |
| 16:24.06 | chable | NameTab, i didnt tried |
| 16:24.09 | chable | just asking first |
| 16:24.10 | tralala | harleyg: I can only help you with sarge. Feel free to ask me any sarge questions. |
| 16:24.16 | NameTab | chable: in that case, yes it can |
| 16:24.24 | chable | ok |
| 16:24.26 | harleyg | tralala, how do i update from sarge :D |
| 16:24.27 | epsilon | but Apple let develop a full NTFS compatible driver ATM |
| 16:24.28 | tralala | there is captive-ntfs |
| 16:24.30 | NameTab | JMT: do you have to keep the same amount of bytes? |
| 16:24.30 | JMT | but ntfs-3g can be right now beta |
| 16:24.46 | tralala | for save writing. It requires windows installation thought. |
| 16:25.08 | tralala | harleyg: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 16:25.26 | jelly-home | NameTab: there is limited support in 2.6 kernel, there's captive-ntfs (uses wrapped windows drivers), and there are commercial solutions. |
| 16:25.27 | NameTab | right |
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| 16:25.28 | harleyg | tralala, but like i said, exim stops it |
| 16:25.39 | harleyg | tralala, it does some but fails on exim-config. |
| 16:25.43 | Skrot | Hi. I've got two sound cards in my computer. Both are registered in /proc/asound/cards, is there an easy way to change between them? |
| 16:26.07 | NameTab | well, I think it'll be easyer to have ext3 data partitions on your windows box instead of trying to get ntfs to work under linux |
| 16:26.14 | jelly-home | Skrot: I'd ask in #alsa |
| 16:26.21 | Skrot | Thanks. |
| 16:26.23 | thingfish | if you're going from sarge to etch, wouldn't you apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:26.36 | tralala | harleyg: sarge only needs security updates and they don't break anything. You're upgrading to sid or etch and you've most likey discovered a new bug - report it. |
| 16:26.42 | NameTab | who's got experience with more that two mousebuttons? And I don't mean a scrollwheel |
| 16:26.51 | harleyg | hmm |
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| 16:26.56 | jelly-home | NameTab: who doesn't? |
| 16:27.06 | jelly-home | er, hasn't? |
| 16:27.07 | harleyg | etch == the newest? |
| 16:27.15 | jelly-home | NameTab: X use 3 button by default. |
| 16:27.20 | NameTab | well, I've only had mouses with two buttons and a scrollwheel |
| 16:27.30 | NameTab | I've got a laptop with two mousebuttons and two extra buttons |
| 16:27.37 | NameTab | (toshiba tecra 8100) |
| 16:27.40 | jelly-home | NameTab: what seems to be the problem? |
| 16:27.51 | NameTab | I want to try to give my own input to those two buttons |
| 16:27.53 | tralala | harleyg: the newest debian release is sarge |
| 16:27.58 | NameTab | I've noticed I can use them for scrollwheels |
| 16:28.04 | harleyg | hmm |
| 16:28.05 | NameTab | but not in every application |
| 16:28.20 | Callahad | I migrated from Debian to Ubuntu around two years ago. I'm ready to come crawling back. Is there a centralized listing of popular supplimentary apt-sources (merillat's, etc) anywhere, or do I still need to discover those on a case-by-case basis? |
| 16:28.42 | jelly-home | NameTab: hmm, I guess some apps don't support the wheel at all. |
| 16:28.47 | nxtw | apt- get.org |
| 16:29.10 | Tallu | Callahad: I'll be forced to use ubuntu in the near future. :'( |
| 16:29.11 | NameTab | jelly-home: firefox supports scrollwheels |
| 16:29.17 | NameTab | it doesn't work |
| 16:29.19 | NameTab | xterm doens |
| 16:29.23 | NameTab | 't support scrollwheels |
| 16:29.24 | NameTab | it does work |
| 16:29.35 | jelly-home | NameTab: oh, that's another thing. :-) |
| 16:29.40 | Callahad | nxtw: thank ya |
| 16:30.16 | NameTab | it's really weird, even if I'm in another terminal, there's only one terminal which scrolls if I push those buttons |
| 16:30.48 | Callahad | Tallu: It really is a fantastic distro for many, many purposes, but Debian is much, much nicer for development / server action |
| 16:30.53 | jelly-home | What's the name of the program that catches and displays X events? |
| 16:30.59 | Callahad | Tallu: For two years, I not once compiled my own kernel :( |
| 16:31.07 | Callahad | jelly-home: xev? |
| 16:31.14 | jelly-home | Callahad: right |
| 16:32.13 | jelly-home | NameTab: I'd run xev and see if those buttons generate events as button 4 and button 5 or as somwthing else. |
| 16:32.24 | NameTab | right, if I click a program, the scroll buttons work, not when I use alt tab to change windows |
| 16:33.10 | jelly-home | NameTab: sounds like window manager click-to-focus feature problem. |
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| 16:33.32 | NameTab | it are buttons 4 and 5, so like in a scroll wheel |
| 16:33.35 | Callahad | One final question before I burn a CD and return to Debian: How unstable is Sid these days? |
| 16:33.53 | jelly-home | Callahad: as usual |
| 16:33.53 | NameTab | same_screen is set on YES |
| 16:34.10 | Callahad | jelly-home: So "exciting" but rarely "catastrophic" for desktop use? :) |
| 16:34.29 | harleyg | tralala, dist-upgrade fixed it |
| 16:34.39 | jelly-home | Callahad: that's about right ;-) haven't had a libc6 failure in 2 years. ;-) |
| 16:34.43 | harleyg | thanks all, ill be back in an hour with another question ^^ |
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| 16:35.04 | Callahad | jelly-home: That' |
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| 16:35.07 | Callahad | that's what I like to hear |
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| 16:35.17 | NameTab | jelly-home: if I msg you what I get, can you give me some tips maybe? |
| 16:35.59 | Callahad | Oh man! I'm going to get to edit an fstab again! |
| 16:36.18 | jelly-home | NameTab: I'd try looking for help for your window manager, it might be doing strange things or just be buggy in certain conditions (right after alt-tab) |
| 16:37.13 | jelly-home | Callahad: It ain't broken unless you have to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status, that's what I say. |
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| 16:37.39 | Tallu | Callahad: I'm totally in love with debian so I'm a bit afraid of using ubuntu.. but the school I'm going to will be using it, so I'll not have much of a choice. I'll leave my own computer and server to run debian though. :) |
| 16:38.13 | Callahad | Tallu: You may be pleasantly surprised if you're using it for day-to-day tasks at a school |
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| 16:38.39 | jelly-home | Tallu: where do you live? |
| 16:38.45 | nopcode | how can i decide in iptables if outgoing packets are from a certain process? |
| 16:39.09 | NameTab | jelly-home: hmmk, thnx anyway :) |
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| 16:40.18 | tralala | nopcode: man iptables | grep -i process |
| 16:40.55 | nopcode | tralala: that cmd-matching doesnt work anymore |
| 16:40.59 | nopcode | but uid seems to work |
| 16:40.59 | nopcode | hm |
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| 16:44.33 | newb1e | i am trying to connect to the different ftp servers via MC and wich to use ftp servers names history in the connecting dialog. what is the hotkey for this action? |
| 16:45.03 | jelly-home | NameTab: well, you can put a paste somewhere but I don't know if I'm going to be much help |
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| 16:47.40 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | can anyone think of a reason why I can't ssh my linux box? SSH is installed |
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| 16:48.48 | deadcat_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: locally? |
| 16:48.49 | zamuro | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Maybe port is closed... |
| 16:49.02 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | on a local network |
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| 16:49.59 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | boot dialogue shows that ssh started, but connection is srefused |
| 16:52.05 | vuud | I cannot for the friggin life of me get Mysql-4 and mysql-admin installed at the same time through aptitude! I am running Etch and it seems as though I am going in circles trying to resolve dependencies... I have a stable in my sources file, is that part of my problem? |
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| 17:00.27 | ChrisW | hey all, a couple of my servers seem to think 2.0.54-5 is the latest version available of apache2, any idea how I can find out why they're not picking up the sarge1 version with the mod_rewrite fix? |
| 17:01.16 | tuv | ChrisW, if you're using the mirrors.kernel.org mirror, you may want to add another mirror to your sources.list |
| 17:02.28 | ChrisW | !paste |
| 17:02.28 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 17:03.16 | ChrisW | tuv: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3513 |
| 17:03.21 | ChrisW | that's my sources.list |
| 17:04.04 | bart416_ | how do i power up a pcmcia card with pcmcia-cs ? |
| 17:04.33 | tuv | ChrisW, i think security updates are available only from security.debian.org |
| 17:04.59 | ChrisW | okay, should I whack that one at the top of my sources.list? |
| 17:05.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 514] by debhelper |
| 17:05.34 | tuv | ChrisW, and you have a testing source. this will always override the stable sources unless you're apt-pinning |
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| 17:06.50 | ChrisW | yeah, I am, but only a couple of packages |
| 17:07.38 | ChrisW | this look right? http://channels.debian.net/paste/3515 |
| 17:07.38 | tuv | ChrisW, i think your problem has to do with the security source |
| 17:07.46 | g333k | Hi, I'm using debian sarge kernel 2.6.8 and xfree86.... How can I setup a serial mouse? |
| 17:07.47 | jelly-home | ChrisW: rackspace's security mirror, if it exists, is unofficial and might be not up-to-date |
| 17:07.53 | ChrisW | indeed |
| 17:08.35 | tuv | ChrisW, looks ok to me |
| 17:08.41 | ChrisW | rgat |
| 17:08.58 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | can anyone think of a reason why I can't ssh my linux box? SSH is installed |
| 17:09.06 | Tallu | jelly-home: in finland.. helsinki |
| 17:09.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | boot dialogue shows that ssh started, but connection times out |
| 17:09.12 | g333k | How can I know if my mouse is really connected to the serial port? |
| 17:09.13 | bws42 | firewall! |
| 17:09.15 | bart416_ | okay, i got the pcmcia services loaded |
| 17:09.21 | Tallu | Callahad: okay, I'll try and get rid of my prejudice. :P |
| 17:09.28 | bart416_ | How do i load the card drivers? |
| 17:09.30 | ChrisW | aptitude upgrade whined about uncommenting the security line the first time, but running it again seemsto be doing the business... |
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| 17:10.50 | jelly-home | Tallu: thanks, it's nice that you have any linux in school. |
| 17:10.52 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what distro? |
| 17:11.03 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | debian |
| 17:11.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | sarge |
| 17:11.13 | Morydd | bart416_: how did you power up the card (I was about to ask the same question) |
| 17:11.18 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: and the box is remote box? |
| 17:11.29 | bart416_ | it didn't power up yet |
| 17:11.33 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | yes, it has its own ip |
| 17:11.37 | bart416_ | i got the pcmcia services loaded |
| 17:11.38 | bart416_ | :| |
| 17:11.47 | Tallu | jelly-home: well it's an IT school so... I suppose they sort of have to use linux there ;) I heard it's going to be ubuntu+FC for the most parts |
| 17:11.54 | ChrisW | thanks all :-) |
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| 17:11.57 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: sure, but is the box in your homelan or remote somewhere? |
| 17:12.07 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | local network |
| 17:12.26 | wathek | what's the name of the mysql module that I need to run dotclear on my apache server ? |
| 17:13.10 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: can you ping the box? |
| 17:13.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | request timed out |
| 17:13.46 | g333k | Hi, How can I know if my mouse is really connected to the serial port? |
| 17:13.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | plug it in |
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| 17:14.35 | jelly-home | g333k: follow the cable! |
| 17:14.38 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what does 'ping -c1 <IP>' say? (only 2 lines, otherwise use /msg dpkg paste) |
| 17:14.50 | sepski | g333k, if you actualy ment how you can know if it works, you can cat /dev/ttyS0 and wiggle the mouse |
| 17:14.51 | tuv | jelly-home, :D |
| 17:15.19 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | on the linux box |
| 17:15.21 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | ? |
| 17:15.22 | g333k | sepski, Yeah I mean that |
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| 17:15.36 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: no, from the other box |
| 17:16.01 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it's a windows machine |
| 17:16.01 | sepski | g333k, i just guessed.. |
| 17:16.01 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | but I could ssh my other linux box to ping |
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| 17:17.02 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: or just run 'nmap -v <IP>' to see, is the port open |
| 17:17.02 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | 1 packets transmitted, 0 recieved, +1 errors, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
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| 17:17.25 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | destination host unreachable |
| 17:17.37 | JoelR | Hi, i have a problem that with my user, when in gdm i choose xfce session it enters but xfce doesn't show up well, but if from console i do "startx" then it works, anyone hacve any idea? |
| 17:17.41 | g333k | sepski, Nothing... I exec that command and it doesnt gilve me a output |
| 17:17.46 | elkid | hi, i need the entry for my source.list for xorg @sarge, i currently at textmode, tried lynk www.backports.org but seens down |
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| 17:18.08 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: ok, can you ping something else (google.com)? |
| 17:18.29 | jelly-home | g333k: gpm-mouse-test from gpm package might help too. |
| 17:18.30 | tuv | JoelR, what do you mean by "doesn't show up well"? |
| 17:18.34 | fraguel | hola |
| 17:18.49 | sepski | g333k, did you wiggle the mouse ? :) check that you used the right port com1=ttyS0 com2 = ttyS1 etc etc |
| 17:18.59 | sepski | g333k, and that the modules for serial is loaded |
| 17:19.00 | JoelR | tuv: well, it doesn't show up panels or nothing, i don't see menues or anything |
| 17:19.42 | tuv | JoelR, i know nothing about xfce, but you should ask explicit questions |
| 17:19.42 | g333k | sepski, what are the modules for serial ports? |
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| 17:20.02 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: or just run 'nmap -v <IP>' to see, is the port open and show us the output in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 17:20.16 | JoelR | tuv: lol, i'm being explicit, if you don't understand i can't do anything |
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| 17:21.03 | tuv | JoelR, your original question wasn't explicit enough |
| 17:21.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | nmap isn't a command |
| 17:21.16 | elkid | is it "deb http://backports.org stable main" the right entry for getting xorg's debs? |
| 17:21.27 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: just install it |
| 17:21.28 | blondie | Silent_Chaos[CAN: it is if you install it |
| 17:21.28 | DocOC | JoelR: have you put anything in .xinitrc? |
| 17:21.32 | streuner | !info nmap |
| 17:21.38 | JoelR | tuv: ok but i explained to you later.. |
| 17:21.39 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 4.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 718 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
| 17:22.01 | tuv | JoelR, yes.. that's what you should have said initially |
| 17:22.02 | JoelR | DocOC: no, in fact, i don't have any .xinitrc and other users neither.. and it works for them |
| 17:22.08 | sepski | g333k, generic_serial i belive |
| 17:22.27 | JoelR | tuv: whatever if you're not gonna help, don't say anything. |
| 17:22.33 | DocOC | JoelR: so, if you start xfce from gdm as a different user, it starts up fine? |
| 17:22.49 | JoelR | DocOC, yes |
| 17:23.14 | DocOC | JoelR: and if you start it with startx as the user you are talking about,it starts fine also? |
| 17:23.25 | g333k | sepski, Also I have 2 modules loaded: sermouse and psmouse, is that correct? |
| 17:23.30 | tuv | JoelR, someone is trying to help you know after the extra info |
| 17:23.47 | JoelR | DocOC: Yes. |
| 17:23.49 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | http://pastebin.ca/140771 |
| 17:23.51 | sepski | g333k, i'd expect sermouse and mousedev, psmouse if for ps2 mouse, but it does not do harm |
| 17:24.01 | DocOC | JoelR: do you have a .xsession or .Xsession file? |
| 17:24.42 | JoelR | DocOC: yes i do (a .xsession), on my user's home |
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| 17:25.05 | DocOC | JoelR: move that to a different filename, like .xsession.orig, and try logging in from gdm again. |
| 17:25.59 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: well, how did you connect both boxes? |
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| 17:27.12 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | they are both connected to a switch connected to my router... they have dhcp |
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| 17:27.57 | JoelR | DocOC: ok, i'm gonna try, brb |
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| 17:30.44 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: can you install some new packages on that box? |
| 17:30.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | apt-get works |
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| 17:31.56 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what does 'netstat plunt | grep ssh' say on that box? |
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| 17:32.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | didn't say anything |
| 17:33.16 | streuner | hm, are you ssh is installed? |
| 17:33.19 | streuner | sure* |
| 17:33.35 | streuner | try '/etc/init.d/ssh start' |
| 17:33.40 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how can I make sure? it said ssh started |
| 17:33.42 | DocOC | wait, you have to install ssh to be able to ssh? |
| 17:34.08 | streuner | sure |
| 17:34.26 | streuner | apt-get install ssh |
| 17:34.46 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it said it started ssh |
| 17:35.00 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I already apt-got ssh |
| 17:35.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it worked right after I installed it |
| 17:35.14 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | but upon reboot it wont work |
| 17:35.42 | CyberMad | which one do you recommend: Gnome or KDE for debian? because my laptop harddisk is limited, so i can not install both and test it |
| 17:35.48 | DocOC | apt-got milk? |
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| 17:36.04 | streuner | none |
| 17:36.22 | streuner | if you have limited space, just use a WM |
| 17:36.33 | DocOC | CyberMad: you could install one, test it, uninstall it, install the other, test it... or you could just run a window manager that doesn't have the overhead of gnome or kde. |
| 17:37.04 | CyberMad | ok :) thanks |
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| 17:38.32 | DocOC | now that I think about it, if you don't have the hd space to install both kde and gnome, you shouldn't install either, because you will be left with a system on which you don't have enough space to install any fairly large apps. |
| 17:39.15 | Kronoz | gnome would use up less space i suppose, at least i think it would |
| 17:39.39 | Kronoz | gnome is still smaller than kde right? |
| 17:39.57 | streuner | they are both more than 200 MB installed |
| 17:40.11 | DocOC | they both still rival windows as far as bloat. |
| 17:40.37 | bart416_ | how do you assign your pcmcia card to eth0 ? |
| 17:41.06 | DocOC | bart416_: load the module for your pcmcia ethernet card. |
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| 17:41.28 | bart416_ | how |
| 17:41.29 | bart416_ | :| |
| 17:41.36 | bart416_ | i have pcmcia-cs installed |
| 17:41.38 | DocOC | bart416_: well, that would depend on the card... |
| 17:41.56 | bart416_ | ds,i82365,pcmcia_core are loaded |
| 17:41.59 | freeone3000 | Does anyone know how to fix http://pastebin.ca/140798 ? |
| 17:42.00 | DocOC | bart416_: are you running a 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:42.04 | bart416_ | no |
| 17:42.08 | i2501 | what is the best DIVX player in debian? |
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| 17:42.12 | i2501 | vlc lags... |
| 17:42.17 | CyberMad | does debian can read NTFS partition? |
| 17:42.19 | Kronoz | xvid |
| 17:42.20 | DocOC | pcmcia-cs is only for 2.4 kernels. |
| 17:42.20 | bart416_ | 2.2.6 |
| 17:42.27 | bart416_ | DocOC, It came preinstalled with the system |
| 17:42.28 | tarzeau | i2501: i prefer mplayer, but it's not in debian |
| 17:42.34 | bart416_ | :| |
| 17:42.34 | i2501 | i can find it... |
| 17:42.37 | tarzeau | CyberMad: if you make it do so, yes |
| 17:42.38 | i2501 | but does it lag too? |
| 17:42.45 | DocOC | 2.2? man you are going to get owned. |
| 17:42.46 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | streuner, any other advice? |
| 17:42.49 | i2501 | it really sux to watch slideshow animes |
| 17:42.58 | bart416_ | DocOC, It came installed |
| 17:42.59 | CyberMad | ok, thank you.. |
| 17:43.00 | i2501 | trying... |
| 17:43.06 | bart416_ | the modules are loaded only the drivers aren't |
| 17:43.18 | Kronoz | i2501, xvid or mplayer, see http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 17:43.19 | DocOC | bart416_: you bought a laptop with an old version of debian installed? |
| 17:43.27 | bart416_ | no |
| 17:43.32 | i2501 | cool...thatnx for that link... :D |
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| 17:43.46 | bart416_ | this is just a linux distro i found with google |
| 17:43.53 | bart416_ | but if i can get this network device working i can get debian on it |
| 17:43.54 | bart416_ | :| |
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| 17:44.14 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what does 'netstat plunt | grep ssh' say on that box? |
| 17:44.26 | DocOC | bart416_: man, use your windows machine to download a recent debian image. |
| 17:44.34 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | nothing |
| 17:44.35 | bart416_ | NO CD DRIVE |
| 17:44.36 | bart416_ | :| |
| 17:44.45 | DocOC | network install floppy. |
| 17:44.50 | bart416_ | fails |
| 17:44.53 | bart416_ | can't configure network |
| 17:44.56 | streuner | well, make sure sshd is running |
| 17:45.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it is... I just restarted it |
| 17:45.14 | DocOC | bart416_: did you try the Etch netinstall floppy? |
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| 17:45.32 | bart416_ | DocOC, were can i get it? |
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| 17:45.41 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, what does "ps aux | grep ssh" return? |
| 17:45.41 | DocOC | bart416_: debian.org |
| 17:45.46 | streuner | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what does 'netstat plunt' say on that box? |
| 17:46.03 | streuner | !paste |
| 17:46.04 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 17:46.11 | streuner | or pastebin.ca |
| 17:46.15 | R6Ale | hi! i need to install QT in order to make xconfig. Im running etch; make xconfig cannot find qt installation (i prolly DONT have an isntallation) |
| 17:46.25 | JordiGH | Ooh, I'm impressed with how the Debian installer has progressed. |
| 17:46.40 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | root 2612 0.0 1.1 3468 1504 ? Ss 16:58 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 17:46.45 | JordiGH | And wtf, why is xchat now highlighting what it perceives to be my typos? |
| 17:47.04 | DocOC | !tell bart about netinst |
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| 17:47.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | root 2616 0.0 0.4 1832 516 tty1 R+ 17:02 0:00 grep ssh |
| 17:47.24 | bart416_ | !tell bart416 about netinst |
| 17:47.26 | bart416_ | lol |
| 17:47.27 | bart416_ | :P |
| 17:47.30 | bart416_ | do it right DocOC :P |
| 17:47.38 | JordiGH | Oh, also, this is cool: I have 0 space available in my hd, but aptitude seems to be happily chugging along installing packages. I wonder if it's smart enough to remove .debs as it goes along. |
| 17:47.52 | DocOC | !tell bart416_ about netinst |
| 17:47.54 | DocOC | sorry. |
| 17:48.53 | ph00 | Help! I installed gkrellm with almost all plugins, then I got some problems like applications quitting on their own, so I unistalled, but now my system monitor is saying the my cpu is going @100% all the time (I'm on etch) |
| 17:49.21 | JordiGH | Has the nnetinst always been like this, in that it doesn't need to reboot after it installs the base system and begins installing the other packages? |
| 17:49.35 | JordiGH | 'Cause if it did change, I like it how it doesn't reboot anymore. :-) |
| 17:49.48 | g333k | can somebody using xfree86 can paste me your XFConfig4 file? |
| 17:49.58 | bart416_ | The debian site is so unorganised its not even funny anymore |
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| 17:51.05 | DocOC | ph00: type 'top' and then hit shift-C |
| 17:51.52 | ph00 | dococ thx. what's that supposed to do ? (so I know what to expect) |
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| 17:52.13 | DocOC | ph00: it will list applications in order of whichever one is using the most cpu |
| 17:52.18 | bart416_ | i just can't find this :| |
| 17:52.25 | ph00 | ok |
| 17:52.31 | jlaw | weirdo, a g33k needs help with xconfig, huh?-) |
| 17:52.34 | JordiGH | bart416_: Find what? |
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| 17:52.42 | ph00 | should I run that as root? |
| 17:52.55 | JordiGH | ph00: Nah. No need to be root to see that |
| 17:53.05 | ph00 | ok |
| 17:53.14 | bart416_ | the etch net install floppy :| |
| 17:53.41 | JordiGH | g333k: I can paste you my xorg.conf, if you want. I don't remember any significant changes in the config file betwixt XFree86 and X.org |
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| 17:53.53 | ph00 | dnetc daeom is the problem. what's that and how do I disable it? (and: should I duisable, uninstall or what?) |
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| 17:54.02 | ph00 | dnetc daemon |
| 17:54.04 | jlaw | bart416_, i think there is no floppy for etch, and if there was it would have been at least 3 (boot, root, network drivers) |
| 17:54.07 | piper_ | hi all |
| 17:54.09 | DocOC | bart416_: try http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/floppy/net-drivers.img |
| 17:54.23 | JordiGH | bart416_: One sec, I just followed that link yesterday.... It was.... something with "debian-installer" in the url. |
| 17:54.34 | g333k | JordiGH, I have a xorg.conf in my desktop |
| 17:55.08 | JordiGH | g333k: What's the specific problem? |
| 17:55.10 | bart416_ | that doesn't even contain a bootable floppy :| |
| 17:55.30 | bart416_ | and i totaly doubt it has any driver that can load in a 2.2 kernel |
| 17:55.48 | JordiGH | bart416_: Wander around the site until you get to a page called debian-installer. |
| 17:55.57 | DocOC | bart416_: that should be a floppy image of the installer with network drivers. |
| 17:56.19 | bart416_ | DocOC, thats useless if i don't even have the boot floppy of etch ? |
| 17:56.24 | JordiGH | bart416_: The actual link is in my Firefox history, but I don't want to load Firefox right now because aptitude is installing stuff and using resources. |
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| 17:56.57 | g333k | JordiGH, serial mouse not working |
| 17:57.01 | jlaw | bart416_ if you're just searching a disk to boot into a current system have a look at bootdisk.com or similar for a "multi purpose" boot disk with grub on it |
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| 17:57.16 | JordiGH | g333k: debconf couldn't fix it? |
| 17:57.22 | bart416_ | jlaw i'm trying to install debian on a laptop that only has a floppy drive |
| 17:57.22 | bart416_ | :| |
| 17:57.28 | bart416_ | and a pcmcia network card |
| 17:57.45 | bart416_ | I have something that looks a lot like slackware 4.0 on the laptop atm with kernel 2.2 |
| 17:57.47 | bart416_ | but its useless |
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| 17:57.55 | jlaw | bart416_, k wait a sec ... but as i told you there are no disks for etch |
| 17:57.56 | bart416_ | cause i can't figure out how the drivers need to be loaded |
| 17:58.08 | bart416_ | how the hell can i install this thing in that case? |
| 17:58.13 | Vasistha | using kernel 2.6, sarge, XFree ... I'm trying to use tpconfig to interact with a synaptics touchpad, but it tells me "Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux]." Any ideas? |
| 17:58.15 | bart416_ | Whats the use of having a driver floppy anyway in that case :| |
| 17:58.30 | bart416_ | driver floppy without a boot or installer floppy :| |
| 17:58.31 | JordiGH | bart416_: You can boot from sarge but choose etch repositories at the first opportunity. |
| 17:58.32 | roxy_ | what means PBI ? (in a forum context) |
| 17:58.50 | bart416_ | I allready tried it with the sarge boot floppy before :| |
| 17:58.59 | bart416_ | Here goes nothing |
| 17:59.10 | JordiGH | That's a lot of smileys. |
| 17:59.17 | JordiGH | Or unsmileys. Whatever. |
| 17:59.27 | JordiGH | roxy_: Good question. Wtf doesn't know. |
| 17:59.35 | bart416_ | then they ask why people get stress :| |
| 17:59.51 | g333k | JordiGH, How? |
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| 18:00.15 | Vasistha | roxy_: tried acronymfinder.com ? |
| 18:00.16 | jlaw | bart416_ http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 18:00.27 | JordiGH | g333k: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Try choosing something else when it asks you about the mouse. I think /dev/psaux is what you want. |
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| 18:00.36 | jlaw | bart416_ you'll need the boot, the root and the network image |
| 18:00.58 | g333k | JordiGH, I tried many possibilities but nothing |
| 18:01.04 | jlaw | bart416_ and you'll need a tool to write them to disks ... |
| 18:01.07 | bart416_ | i tried that yesterday jlaw :| |
| 18:01.10 | i2501 | mplayer FTW... |
| 18:01.12 | bart416_ | it stops at DHCP |
| 18:01.13 | bart416_ | :| |
| 18:01.18 | bart416_ | and manual network config fails totaly |
| 18:01.28 | JordiGH | g333k: Does /var/log/XFrsomethingsomething.log give any clues? |
| 18:01.31 | bart416_ | thats what i'm constantly telling but you just don't want to listen |
| 18:01.49 | jlaw | bart416_, so don't use dhcp, boot option "netcfg/dhcp_disable=true" |
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| 18:02.06 | bart416_ | manual config also fails jlaw :| |
| 18:02.11 | bart416_ | how the hell can you do a netsetup without network |
| 18:02.24 | g333k | JordiGH, Now "problem parsing the XFConfig-4 file" |
| 18:02.27 | jlaw | bart416_ sorry dood, but i hear it the first time |
| 18:02.38 | JordiGH | g333k: You have a syntax error somewhere. |
| 18:03.10 | DocOC | bart416_: this may be the boot image: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/netboot/pxelinux.0 |
| 18:03.25 | JordiGH | g333k: Do you have a Knoppix cd handy? A nice hack is to hope that Knoppix gives you a reasonable config file and use that or parts of it. |
| 18:03.31 | bart416_ | pxelinux is just a ramdrive linux |
| 18:03.40 | bart416_ | meant to load installers, but the root disk is the installer |
| 18:03.53 | g333k | JordiGH, I have DSL, but I think theres a knoppix somewhere |
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| 18:04.42 | DocOC | bart416_: sorry, you're right, the organization of the installation portion of debian.org leaves a lot to be desired. |
| 18:05.29 | jlaw | bart416_ you may try to run freedos and copy the installer data to hd to run it right from disk, so you get a base system without needing network |
| 18:05.46 | bart416_ | jlaw the installers are way to big |
| 18:05.51 | bart416_ | i only have a floppy drive :& |
| 18:06.04 | DocOC | jlaw: freedos has pcmcia support? |
| 18:06.09 | jlaw | bart416_ ahh, right ... you told me |
| 18:06.15 | bart416_ | and i don't see anyway to attach the hd of a laptop to my desktop computer |
| 18:06.24 | bart416_ | and i can't attach an optical drive of my desktop to the laptop |
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| 18:06.31 | JordiGH | :| |
| 18:06.37 | albacker|jasht | guys are there DVDs iso for debian ? |
| 18:06.42 | DocOC | bart416_: you could install like a solaris install: serial-nullmodem-serial |
| 18:06.52 | albacker|jasht | i can see only isos 300+mb there |
| 18:07.00 | bart416_ | DocOC, how would that work? |
| 18:07.03 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: I think so, but do you have a compelling reason to go for a dvd rather than the net install? |
| 18:07.05 | jlaw | bart416_ but you can use the serial port and netcopy to get on the disk with freedos. this way a win2k cd needs 21 hours^^ |
| 18:07.15 | DocOC | bart416_: I believe there is a howto on the installation page. |
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| 18:07.36 | bart416_ | :| |
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| 18:07.44 | albacker|jasht | Vasistha, it might not find my cable modem. |
| 18:07.48 | bart416_ | My parents will kill me if i leave my computers on during the night :| |
| 18:08.03 | jlaw | bart416_ that works, i already did it ... and i will never do it again !-) |
| 18:08.09 | albacker|jasht | bart416_, lol :) mine will kill me if i leave it off. |
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| 18:08.20 | tii | hey. |
| 18:08.21 | tii | :) |
| 18:08.28 | JordiGH | Sup! |
| 18:08.29 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: well, the net install CD has all the networking stuff on it -- the dvd is no more likely to find the modem than the netinstall. |
| 18:08.30 | albacker|jasht | Vasistha, so where do i get those ? |
| 18:08.41 | tii | Anybody from poland ?;) |
| 18:08.51 | albacker|jasht | Vasistha, where to get the netinstall ? |
| 18:09.10 | tii | albacker|jasht, sarge ? |
| 18:09.16 | JordiGH | But I'm not Polish nor in Poland. |
| 18:09.17 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: got that link from dpkg? |
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| 18:09.46 | albacker|jasht | Vasistha, the devel one or sarge one ? |
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| 18:09.47 | tii | JordiGH, ;) |
| 18:09.54 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: sarge is what you want |
| 18:10.06 | DocOC | bart416_: this is particular to cobalts, but it should work: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/sarge.html |
| 18:10.10 | JordiGH | I'm going to get spammed now, won't I? |
| 18:10.13 | albacker|jasht | k |
| 18:10.22 | tii | eemmm... |
| 18:10.26 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: basically, if the net install CD can't connect to your cable modem, the DVD can't either ;-) |
| 18:10.35 | albacker|jasht | Vasistha, 100mb ? |
| 18:11.03 | tii | ~130* |
| 18:11.07 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: yeah -- it contains the base system, and then you just download the packages you want. If you were to get the dvd you would probably only install 10% of the programs on it anyway! |
| 18:11.23 | tii | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:11.24 | tii | :) |
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| 18:11.28 | bart416_ | wait, the dhcp is a problem |
| 18:11.28 | albacker|jasht | Vasistha, for gnome what should i get ? |
| 18:11.33 | bart416_ | well, can windows run a dhcp server? |
| 18:11.39 | bart416_ | or how do you get one to work in debian |
| 18:11.39 | tii | (?) |
| 18:11.41 | albacker|jasht | Vasistha, i mean how's the package called ? |
| 18:11.43 | bart416_ | i have a debian install in vmware |
| 18:11.49 | tii | albacker|jasht, xfce !:) |
| 18:11.49 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: I believe it's called gnome |
| 18:11.51 | jlaw | bart416_ what i said really is an option if you don't want to waste that laptop, i once had a laptop with a broken cdrom drive and debian disks did not work, so i did it with dos, netcopy(combined with the dukenukem3d.exe for serial stuff^^) and made an install from hd |
| 18:12.06 | tralala | bart416_: I think dnsmasq has a windows version |
| 18:12.13 | bbelt16ag | if i do a iptables --list and there are now setting set does that mean i dont have any ports blocked |
| 18:12.14 | albacker|jasht | tii, piss off ! xfce sux :( fvwm is much better than that. but gnome is ok |
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| 18:12.30 | DocOC | bart416_: uhh, ok I just realized the flaw in my logic... sparcs have a serial console, x86 machines don't. Sorry. |
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| 18:12.34 | Vasistha | bart416_: in december, I installed sarge from an iso image that was on my hard drive. It wasn't too difficult at all. |
| 18:12.34 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 18:12.35 | dpkg | Don't be silly, console is the best. |
| 18:12.50 | vosti | I have a problem turning my debian into utf8. I done a export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8, with root it's all ok, but my normal account doesn't change. Maybe gnome change the locale when it starts? |
| 18:12.51 | tii | albacker|jasht, i like xfce, whatever. |
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| 18:12.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:12.54 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:13.00 | albacker|jasht | tii, :D |
| 18:13.05 | jlaw | JordiGH, stfu with your damn gui shit, it was even funny the first time |
| 18:13.11 | tii | ;) |
| 18:13.13 | albacker|jasht | tii, ETA 1:00:45 :) |
| 18:13.21 | tii | Eemmm... |
| 18:13.21 | JordiGH | jlaw: Eh? |
| 18:13.25 | tii | 20:12 |
| 18:13.26 | tii | ;))) |
| 18:13.27 | albacker|jasht | i should wait 1 hour for that 100 mb :) |
| 18:13.27 | albacker|jasht | bye |
| 18:13.44 | tii | I live in Poland. |
| 18:13.51 | tii | Another time. |
| 18:13.52 | tii | ;) |
| 18:13.52 | jlaw | JordiGH: Eh! |
| 18:13.53 | Vasistha | albacker|jasht: heh, I think it's probably a good thing you're only doing 100 mb then! the dvd would have taken days |
| 18:14.04 | JordiGH | jlaw: *shrug* I can't understand what you said. |
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| 18:14.16 | tii | Exactly: 8:13 PM. |
| 18:14.17 | tii | ;) |
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| 18:14.36 | bart416_ | I'm going to install a dhcp server on my debian install in vmware |
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| 18:14.38 | bart416_ | should do the trick i guess |
| 18:14.52 | Vasistha | using kernel 2.6, sarge, XFree ... I'm trying to use tpconfig to interact with a synaptics touchpad, but it tells me "Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux]." Any ideas? synclient also does not work, although ksynaptics does. |
| 18:14.55 | jlaw | bart416_, good luck |
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| 18:15.01 | tii | ;-) |
| 18:15.04 | tii | vmware rox. :> |
| 18:15.11 | bart416_ | Now were did i leave vmware |
| 18:15.12 | bart416_ | lol |
| 18:15.21 | bart416_ | found it |
| 18:15.33 | DocOC | oh, snap, that's tricky. installing freedos and duknukem3d.exe to give yourself a serial console. I'm in awe. |
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| 18:15.59 | bart416_ | I have dukenukem 3d on cd :P |
| 18:16.01 | bart416_ | XD |
| 18:16.01 | JordiGH | "duknukem3d.exe" o.O |
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| 18:16.08 | tii | bart416_, wow! |
| 18:16.10 | tii | ;-D |
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| 18:17.16 | tii | Yesterday i played : Contra. |
| 18:17.20 | tii | Pegasus emu.;-) |
| 18:17.30 | bart416_ | JordiGH, Depending on what you used to assassinate it you earn my respect :P |
| 18:17.34 | bart416_ | or lose it :P |
| 18:17.47 | JordiGH | bart416_: My BARE HANDS! |
| 18:17.58 | bart416_ | okay, you earn respect :P |
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| 18:18.13 | bart416_ | If you would have shot it with a shotgun or M4A1 you would be ultra cool |
| 18:18.37 | jetscreamer | i won't kill a fly with my hands... to messy. gnat/mosquitoes, yes. |
| 18:18.40 | DocOC | you would earn my respect if you speared it from 10 metres using a sewing needle. |
| 18:19.10 | JordiGH | kill -9 fly |
| 18:19.55 | JordiGH | Wow! |
| 18:19.59 | JordiGH | Aptitude worked without a hitch! |
| 18:20.01 | JordiGH | ... |
| 18:20.04 | JordiGH | Apparently. |
| 18:20.14 | JordiGH | Let me see what happens if I restart my xserver. |
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| 18:21.10 | jlaw | bart416_ / JordiGH, the exe itself has a different name, and i think netcopy comes with it. but it uses that one from duke nukem 3d for the serial transfer. netcopy itself just does the header and checksum stuff |
| 18:21.20 | PhUrl | how can i calm apt down about BROKEN packages i imported from debian into ubuntu, it want a specifc version of the compiler. but i dont need it. so i want to tell apt to stop complaining. how can i do that? please? :) |
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| 18:22.12 | bart416_ | installed dhcp3 |
| 18:22.22 | insmod | bart416_: could you post the extracted files for duke so i can see if wine will run it -- i tried but it won't extract during the install |
| 18:22.41 | bart416_ | Mhhh, how big is dn3d ? |
| 18:22.47 | jelly-home | insmod: isn't duke a dos app? |
| 18:22.54 | JordiGH | I don't get this at all. How can aptitude download and install new debs if I have 0 free space available? |
| 18:22.54 | jelly-home | eek |
| 18:22.58 | tralala | PhUrl: mixing packages from different distributions is the shortest way to reinstall |
| 18:23.05 | insmod | jelly-home: ya |
| 18:23.15 | bart416_ | yeah it is jelly-home |
| 18:23.20 | bart416_ | just runs amazing slow in dosbox :| |
| 18:23.21 | jelly-home | insmod: I'd try dosbox rather than wine then |
| 18:23.25 | jelly-home | oh |
| 18:23.33 | JordiGH | This is better than the time that due with the beard magically multiplied all that bread and fish. |
| 18:23.34 | jelly-home | dosemu? |
| 18:23.44 | jlaw | insmod, you should use dosbox for dukenukem3d anyway |
| 18:23.49 | insmod | jelly-home: did -- it won't extract using install |
| 18:24.04 | insmod | jlaw -- did |
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| 18:25.04 | jelly-home | PhUrl: deinstall offending packages. |
| 18:25.38 | jlaw | insmod, you may also try to run dos on a vm |
| 18:26.05 | insmod | bart416_: sooo yes no ? |
| 18:26.13 | bart416_ | wait |
| 18:26.21 | insmod | jlaw: i don't have windows |
| 18:26.22 | bart416_ | i'm trying to remember how to install it :| |
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| 18:27.01 | bart416_ | insmod, do you have the collectors edition cd ? |
| 18:27.16 | insmod | bart416_: last time i used it i extracted on windows box and copied it to linux box |
| 18:27.34 | insmod | bart416_: no |
| 18:27.48 | bart416_ | mhhh |
| 18:28.12 | jlaw | insmod ... erm windows? theres no need for windows to run a vm |
| 18:28.21 | bart416_ | installing it insmod |
| 18:28.23 | JordiGH | Wow. apt-get and aptitude seem to disagree widely about what's best for my box. I think I trust aptitude more. |
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| 18:28.45 | hungl | hi |
| 18:29.00 | bart416_ | insmod, what files do you need? |
| 18:29.06 | insmod | jlaw: i thaught it used win and allowed win to load in linux |
| 18:29.07 | tralala | JordiGH: aptitude makes its decisions differently |
| 18:29.18 | insmod | bart416_: the extracted files |
| 18:29.27 | bart416_ | i assume you don't need the TEN directory? |
| 18:29.28 | JordiGH | tralala: By "differently" you mean "better"? :-) |
| 18:29.44 | insmod | bart416_: no idea it has been years |
| 18:29.49 | hungl | where do i get nvidia-glx for etch? it not in http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian main contrib non-free :( |
| 18:29.58 | nxtw | is the disk encryption in etch luks? |
| 18:30.07 | bart416_ | TEN is a commercial network thingy that is dead if i don't mistake |
| 18:30.09 | bart416_ | lol |
| 18:30.09 | hungl | only nvidia-glx-legacy there in |
| 18:30.11 | JordiGH | hungl: I think it's been deprecated.... |
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| 18:30.16 | tralala | JordiGH: no, I mean differently. Better has different definitions for the different people. |
| 18:30.31 | JordiGH | tralala: So where can I find the differences? |
| 18:30.55 | bart416_ | insmod, you have unrar ? |
| 18:30.58 | hungl | JordiGH, i installed just the nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 package and i can now modprobe nvidia but x starting when nvndia driver still says can not load nvidia module |
| 18:31.06 | insmod | bart416_: ya |
| 18:31.17 | JordiGH | tralala: I want to stick to aptitude for a while. It just worked effortlessly in my dist-upgrade... well, so far. I haven't restarted X yet. |
| 18:31.20 | bart416_ | rarring it |
| 18:31.22 | bart416_ | better compression |
| 18:31.29 | insmod | bart416_: :) |
| 18:31.38 | JordiGH | bart416_: bzip2 is good compression. rar isn't a free format. |
| 18:31.39 | tralala | JordiGH: in the source code. |
| 18:31.48 | bart416_ | JordiGH, its on windows ... |
| 18:31.50 | hungl | JordiGH, so i am the thinking this depretatered nvidia-glx package have provided some special x not kernel module? |
| 18:31.54 | bart416_ | bzip2 on windows = annoying |
| 18:31.56 | JordiGH | bart416_: Oh, never mind then. |
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| 18:32.19 | JordiGH | hungl: No clue, really. The nvidia one-liner has always worked for me. |
| 18:32.30 | piper_ | i have 2 machines A & B, A is debian and B is windows, i want to setup A so that my DSL Modum will be pluged into A's 1st NIC then from A's 2nd NIC goes to my wireless Linksys router. that way i can use my B to surfe the net and be safe, any help , guide suggestions please. thanks in advance |
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| 18:32.37 | hungl | JordiGH, what is this onliner? |
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| 18:32.42 | JordiGH | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:32.42 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 18:33.10 | hungl | !etch nvidia |
| 18:33.10 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 18:33.22 | hungl | :O |
| 18:33.50 | bart416_ | offered a file transfer insmod |
| 18:33.52 | bart416_ | you received it? |
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| 18:34.09 | insmod | bart416_: hmm it's not working? |
| 18:34.15 | nxtw | will there be an advantage to raid 1'ing swap? |
| 18:34.20 | bart416_ | okay, i'll upload it by ftp |
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| 18:34.54 | insmod | bart416_: k thanks |
| 18:35.15 | greyscale | So yeah. XF86 is broken. Anyone care to help me? |
| 18:35.46 | Vasistha | nxtw: I can't remember if 1 is mirror or split. If mirror ... well ... your swap would be more reliable, I suppose, but that's kind of a weak argument. Splitting it, though could speed up swap |
| 18:36.09 | Vasistha | greyscale: you'll have to define "broken" a bit better |
| 18:36.14 | nxtw | 1 is mirror |
| 18:36.16 | nxtw | 0 is stripe |
| 18:36.21 | nxtw | i meant to say 0 |
| 18:36.31 | greyscale | Vasistha, Well, it starts and then shits a brick and goes back to bash |
| 18:36.46 | greyscale | Vasistha, want the error? |
| 18:37.07 | JordiGH | I'd like a lisp coding environment. I think slime for Emacs will do nicely. If I want an interpreter and compiler, what should I get? "apt-cache serach lisp" gives too much information. :-/ |
| 18:37.18 | Vasistha | greyscale: still rather vague. You might want to post the output of /var/log/XFree.0.log on a pastebin |
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| 18:37.27 | greyscale | okay |
| 18:37.35 | greyscale | ... |
| 18:37.36 | greyscale | How? |
| 18:37.48 | Vasistha | !paster |
| 18:37.48 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:37.55 | greyscale | I can't just *copy* things off it |
| 18:38.07 | dvs | greyscale: then use pastebin.ca |
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| 18:38.23 | JordiGH | dvs: I think thei issue is that it's unwieldy to copy/paste in lynx. |
| 18:38.25 | Vasistha | greyscale: do you have only the one computer, and no gui environment, and no mouse? |
| 18:38.37 | greyscale | I have two |
| 18:38.38 | greyscale | This one |
| 18:38.39 | dvs | JordiGH: he doesn't have to with pastebin.ca |
| 18:38.42 | greyscale | and the one failing |
| 18:39.34 | greyscale | "FATAL SERVER ERROR: Addscreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" |
| 18:39.35 | Vasistha | greyscale: the failing one, it's connected to the internet alright? you can, e.g., ping -c 1 google.com |
| 18:39.36 | greyscale | Does that help? |
| 18:39.43 | greyscale | Vasistha, yes, it can |
| 18:39.48 | greyscale | its network-connected |
| 18:40.13 | Vasistha | greyscale: run lynx or elinks and go to pastebin.ca and then you can upload the XFree log |
| 18:40.32 | greyscale | Oo |
| 18:40.35 | greyscale | k |
| 18:40.56 | JordiGH | Hehehe... "aptitude install somepackage" resulted in somepackage getting removed.:D |
| 18:41.01 | greyscale | where is the log? |
| 18:41.13 | greyscale | /etc/X11/?? |
| 18:41.47 | Vasistha | greyscale: no. I gave you the path earlier, it was one of the first things I mentioned - /var/log/XFree.0.log |
| 18:41.58 | greyscale | oops sorry =X |
| 18:42.03 | Vasistha | heh |
| 18:42.07 | JordiGH | aptitude is cute. |
| 18:42.24 | Vasistha | JordiGH: ...in a way that makes you want to tear your hair out? |
| 18:42.34 | dvs | like a Furbie |
| 18:42.38 | JordiGH | Vasistha: I'm still amused for now. |
| 18:42.59 | Mr_Magic | how can I set a disk(folder) usage limit on a samba share? |
| 18:43.05 | Vasistha | JordiGH: heh :-) I... haven't found the time+energy+motivation to set up aptitude, myself |
| 18:43.40 | JordiGH | Vasistha: I think that *switching* from apt-get to aptitude is a chore. But consistently using aptitude on fresh installs has always been easy for me. |
| 18:44.15 | Vasistha | JordiGH: hmm, interesting point. perhaps I'll do that for my next fresh install. |
| 18:44.30 | bart416_ | its uploading |
| 18:44.35 | JordiGH | w00t! Lappy Debianified! |
| 18:44.36 | bart416_ | oh allready done |
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| 18:45.22 | ph00 | each time I install something eiteher by synaptic or apt-get I get lots of packages "being hold beck and not upgraded" (etch) it that normal? should I do something about that? |
| 18:45.43 | hjubal | hi |
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| 18:45.54 | Vasistha | Mr_Magic: when you refer to disk(folder) usage -- I assume that what you mean is, you want some kind of limit for the device? (rather than for some area of the directory structure within the mounted volume) |
| 18:46.29 | plb | what do you guys think is the better player....mplayer or vlc? |
| 18:46.42 | usn | good evening |
| 18:46.47 | greyscale | Vasistha, http://pastebin.ca/140891 |
| 18:46.59 | greyscale | damn lynx is annoying >< |
| 18:47.02 | tarzeau | plb: mplayer |
| 18:47.06 | Vasistha | plb: I like mplayer, but I've never tried vlc |
| 18:47.08 | tarzeau | greyscale: try links2 ? |
| 18:47.08 | insmod | bart416_: thanks i got it :) |
| 18:47.12 | JordiGH | ph00: It's not a big deal. apt-get and synaptic will not upgrade packages unless you specifically ask them to. |
| 18:47.18 | greyscale | tarzeau, not yet |
| 18:47.19 | Mr_Magic | Vasistha: I want to limit to size of the shared folder within the samba config if that is possible |
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| 18:47.26 | nxtw | anyone here use dm-crypt? |
| 18:47.29 | dvs | greyscale: (EE) VGA(0): Depth 16 not supported by this driver |
| 18:47.29 | tarzeau | greyscale: it's great, does also javascript and graphics |
| 18:47.33 | JordiGH | ph00: Or unless it needs to upgrade in order to satisfy dependencies. |
| 18:47.36 | tarzeau | greyscale: and even graphics without X! |
| 18:48.00 | greyscale | dvs - Solution? |
| 18:48.01 | dvs | dvs: use vesa |
| 18:48.01 | ph00 | jordigh so what I need to do is to run apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:48.11 | kingsley | What's a good application for monitoring web sites for new .mp3 files, and downloading them? |
| 18:48.19 | dvs | greyscale: unless you really have a genuine vga card |
| 18:48.26 | tarzeau | kingsley: md5sum and wget ? |
| 18:48.28 | tarzeau | kingsley: and diff |
| 18:48.42 | tarzeau | kingsley: www.linuks.mine.nu/webmon/ |
| 18:48.51 | JordiGH | ph00: Yeah. But even then, you might still have some un-upgraded packages. apt-get upgrade will not upgrade packages if that requires adding or removing other packages. If you want to upgrade everything, adding and removing whatever's necessary, then you do dist-upgrade. |
| 18:49.18 | kingsley | tarzeau: I'm sure wget and diff would work, but I suspect that I'd be re-inventing the wheel. |
| 18:49.32 | greyscale | I have an ATi 9200SE |
| 18:49.34 | tarzeau | kingsley: i don't know of anything else, i've made that script above for myself many years ago |
| 18:49.43 | greyscale | It was on offer for about £10 locally |
| 18:49.45 | ph00 | jordi again? I already did that when upgrading to etch. |
| 18:49.53 | greyscale | And my onboard stopped working |
| 18:49.59 | dvs | greyscale: then use radeon instead of vesa or vga |
| 18:50.01 | zinx | greyscale: use the 'radeon' or 'fglrx' driver |
| 18:50.06 | greyscale | okay |
| 18:50.11 | greyscale | which is better? XD |
| 18:50.12 | tarzeau | zinx: you've got fglrx? |
| 18:50.15 | zinx | or 'ati', which is equivilant to radeon |
| 18:50.20 | tarzeau | greyscale: fglrx is faster for 3d rendering |
| 18:50.20 | zinx | tarzeau: used to |
| 18:50.33 | greyscale | fglrx it is then! |
| 18:50.35 | dvs | tarzeau: is that a part of Debian now? |
| 18:50.44 | tarzeau | greyscale: can you test something for me, if you get it to work? |
| 18:50.49 | zinx | tarzeau: currently zooming around with a 7800 GTX, however |
| 18:50.51 | tarzeau | dvs: links2? since over two years |
| 18:50.59 | Vasistha | nxtw: I've used dm-crypt before, but you should just ask your question to the entire channel |
| 18:50.59 | ph00 | I mean, why do I still have unupgraded packages if I already did dist-upgrade? |
| 18:51.05 | dvs | tarzeau: i meant fglrx |
| 18:51.10 | zinx | tarzeau: i still have the 9700 Pro; may be able to test |
| 18:51.13 | tarzeau | dvs: no idea, probably not, since it's non-free |
| 18:51.15 | zinx | tarzeau: in another box |
| 18:51.18 | tarzeau | dvs: like nvidias binary driver |
| 18:51.46 | zinx | tarzeau: i think it's in non-free, but i'm not sure |
| 18:51.48 | tarzeau | zinx: the package is briquolo, and i need reports it works (or not) on this email: 362897@bugs.debian.org |
| 18:51.53 | tarzeau | zinx: i'm sure it is |
| 18:51.56 | zinx | the installer can generate debian-compatible (like, really) packages |
| 18:52.02 | JordiGH | ph00: Usually because upgrading those packages is very sensitive. I've never been curious enough to find out more. |
| 18:52.41 | greyscale | arrrgh. Tried "ati" "fglrx" and "radeon" |
| 18:52.41 | nxtw | I just want to know what encryption algorithim is faster, for swap. |
| 18:52.41 | ph00 | hm. OK then. |
| 18:52.43 | ph00 | thx |
| 18:52.44 | greyscale | None worked |
| 18:53.00 | tarzeau | greyscale: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ |
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| 18:53.08 | tarzeau | greyscale: it worked for me (tm) |
| 18:53.12 | dvs | greyscale: you're doing something wrong then |
| 18:53.12 | greyscale | lol |
| 18:53.23 | greyscale | dvs, I gathered that XD |
| 18:53.40 | dvs | greyscale: so say "it didn't work *for me*" |
| 18:53.44 | JordiGH | When X complains about not being able to use a specific graphical setup, "insufficient memory" just means that my graphics card can't do that resolution, right? I should instead try to fiddle around with the hsynces? |
| 18:54.05 | JordiGH | For the configurations that complained about hscynces out of range? |
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| 18:54.32 | greyscale | JordiGH, Last time I had that, it was a imac with 8Mb video ram. Set to 16 bit colour depth, the ram issue went away |
| 18:54.40 | greyscale | it was trying to do 24 inside 8MB |
| 18:55.10 | nxtw | seems like AES or Twofish would be best... i just read that twofish at 256 bit is fsater than AES, but I also read about aes having a 64-bit implementation (i assume optimized) |
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| 18:55.26 | JordiGH | greyscale: Hmm... I wonder if this lappy from '00 could do 1024x768 |
| 18:55.33 | greyscale | I'm still lost |
| 18:55.38 | greyscale | JordiGH, probably |
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| 18:55.50 | greyscale | is its screen capable of XGA? |
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| 18:55.56 | greyscale | Usually they are |
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| 18:56.11 | greyscale | my 700mhz dell has 1024x768 |
| 18:56.28 | JordiGH | greyscale: This one might be older than that. It's 233 MHz. |
| 18:56.41 | greyscale | LOL |
| 18:56.45 | greyscale | try 800x600! |
| 18:56.46 | JordiGH | With 155 megs of ram. |
| 18:56.50 | greyscale | lol |
| 18:56.55 | greyscale | mine has 190 |
| 18:56.56 | nxtw | i have a 233 mhz laptop with 64 mb of ram that does 1024x768 at 16-bit color |
| 18:56.57 | greyscale | ish |
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| 18:57.04 | zinx | mine has 128 or 96, depending on how it feels |
| 18:57.11 | greyscale | zinx, lol |
| 18:57.15 | Vasistha | JordiGH: my laptop from '99 does 1024x768 but there were many laptops produced at that time that only did 800x600 |
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| 18:57.23 | zinx | and it'll do 1024x768 at 16bpp, or will *VERY SLOWLY* do the same at 24bpp |
| 18:57.25 | greyscale | Still haven't fixed my problem T_T |
| 18:57.37 | hareldvd | Which package should I install for motif development? |
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| 18:57.58 | Vasistha | hareldvd: have you visited http://packages.debian.org ? |
| 18:58.22 | JordiGH | Vasistha: I think it was 800x600 before I exorcised it. |
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| 18:59.41 | greyscale | anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:59.51 | greyscale | Ubuntu never gave me this much grief >> |
| 18:59.59 | dvs | greyscale: we don't even know what you did |
| 19:00.06 | greyscale | T_T |
| 19:00.09 | greyscale | I'm hopeless |
| 19:00.26 | Vasistha | JordiGH: if you set up your XF86Config-4 right it should preferentially try higher resolutions first |
| 19:00.45 | JordiGH | Vasistha: xorg.conf, you mean. ;-) |
| 19:00.51 | Vasistha | JordiGH: right. |
| 19:01.13 | JordiGH | Vasistha: Yeah. I need to figure out refresh rates, though. I just noticed that there aren't any mentioned in the config file, and the log complains about hsynces out of range. |
| 19:01.25 | greyscale | So I'm fucked right? |
| 19:01.29 | Vasistha | JordiGH: for a laptop? that's actually kind of strange |
| 19:01.48 | Vasistha | greyscale: as long as the only information you give us is "I tried it and it didn't work" then we cannot help you |
| 19:01.57 | greyscale | What info do you want? |
| 19:02.16 | JordiGH | Vasistha: Hmm... well, it's right now at 640x480 because of hsynches out of range.... :-/ |
| 19:02.18 | Vasistha | greyscale: what did you do in order to "try it"? |
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| 19:02.45 | Vasistha | JordiGH: yow, that just sucks. |
| 19:03.01 | greyscale | I tried putting "ati", "radeon" and "fglsomething" in it, retrying startx after each >> |
| 19:03.10 | dvs | greyscale: in what? |
| 19:03.15 | Vasistha | greyscale: still way too vague. |
| 19:03.22 | greyscale | XF86Config-4 |
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| 19:03.48 | greyscale | Well, the requirements are kinda vague >> |
| 19:04.15 | dvs | greyscale: did you look at the /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see if it was the same error? |
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| 19:05.00 | JordiGH | Oh, mouse trails. Can KDE or GNOME do that? It's one of those blurry old LCD screens. |
| 19:05.06 | greyscale | different error. Its "Failed to initialise core devices" this time |
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| 19:05.25 | Vasistha | greyscale: look for the lines marked with (EE) |
| 19:05.26 | greyscale | with "ati" as the driver |
| 19:05.47 | dvs | greyscale: so the video driver is right but the mouse driver is wrong or not there |
| 19:06.09 | greyscale | Yeah |
| 19:06.09 | FarrisG | I have a set of backup scripts I've been using for over a year, with great results. I recently moved the whole process over to a different, nearly-identical box, and I'm seeing a huge decrease in performance. An incremental backup that used to take a couple of hours is now going on hour 48 and not even half-finished. Network utilization is not even remotely saturated, CPU is low, RAM is 10% utilized. But the load average on the box running the backup |
| 19:06.13 | dvs | greyscale: which kernel? |
| 19:06.13 | greyscale | cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 19:07.00 | greyscale | how do I check dvs? |
| 19:07.09 | dvs | greyscale: /exec -o uname -r |
| 19:07.18 | dvs | type that in you irc |
| 19:07.28 | dvs | *your |
| 19:07.42 | greyscale | I'm not in IRC on that computer |
| 19:07.52 | greyscale | But I got it anyway |
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| 19:07.54 | dvs | greyscale: then uname -r on that computer |
| 19:08.00 | greyscale | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:08.12 | greyscale | Why the hell is a new install running such an old kernal? |
| 19:08.16 | dvs | greyscale: PS/2 mouse? |
| 19:08.20 | greyscale | yeah |
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| 19:08.41 | dvs | greyscale: Try "/dev/psaux" as the mouse device |
| 19:08.43 | greyscale | why is a new install running 2.4? |
| 19:08.54 | dvs | greyscale: they is a 2.6 option when installing |
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| 19:08.58 | dvs | there |
| 19:09.15 | greyscale | I net installed |
| 19:09.21 | dvs | greyscale: no difference |
| 19:09.24 | greyscale | I didn't get any such option |
| 19:09.29 | greyscale | And its working now |
| 19:09.35 | dvs | greyscale: Hit [F1] for help |
| 19:09.40 | greyscale | yayy for peoples! |
| 19:09.58 | greyscale | well, anyway, can I just *change* kernal? |
| 19:10.08 | Vasistha | greyscale: debian "stable" is ... well, stable. Many of the packages are rather old, but it's nice not to have to upgrade them ... debian stable is very low-maintenance; *not* cutting-edge. |
| 19:10.27 | dvs | greyscale: yes, you can install a new one |
| 19:10.39 | greyscale | installed = stupid |
| 19:10.47 | Vasistha | greyscale: and yes, it should be relatively easy to install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 19:10.49 | greyscale | my brain just had a buffer overflow. |
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| 19:11.27 | greyscale | Vasistha, how? |
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| 19:12.33 | greyscale | its gone quiet |
| 19:13.08 | Vasistha | greyscale: go here and pick your architecture: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 19:13.16 | Vasistha | greyscale: pick something from the first 20 or 30 |
| 19:13.33 | Vasistha | greyscale: then use apt-get or aptitude or whatever to install it. |
| 19:14.11 | cahoot | greyscale: might even consider reading Debian reference |
| 19:14.21 | bart416_ | huh is there anything wrong with: route add gateway 192.168.1.1 eth0 |
| 19:14.30 | dvs | cahoot: from cover to cover! |
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| 19:14.54 | greyscale | lol |
| 19:15.12 | greyscale | I like to learn by doing, even if it results in a broken knowlege, its alot more fun. |
| 19:15.26 | dvs | not for us |
| 19:15.41 | Vasistha | heh, just make sure you don't "do" a dist-upgrade, unless you really know what you're doing |
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| 19:16.47 | hareldvd | Vasistha: I already looked into http://packages.debian.org/ and got the following results but I don't know which package to pick. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=motif&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 19:17.52 | JordiGH | Aha! |
| 19:17.56 | JordiGH | Worked! |
| 19:18.00 | Vasistha | hareldvd: well, right off the bat you can eliminate the 'lib' ones -- those are just libraries, not actually programs, and they will only be installed if needed, there's no need to select them |
| 19:19.00 | dvs | JordiGH: can't you find the proper frequencies for you monitor? |
| 19:19.19 | JordiGH | dvs: How? |
| 19:19.25 | greyscale | Okay, problem |
| 19:19.26 | tuxedup | I read somewhere about using encrypted partitons on linux, as your normal paritions for / and /home, II cant remember the name of this though, what should I be looking for, could soemone give me the name please. |
| 19:19.33 | dvs | JordiGH: manual? |
| 19:19.48 | Vasistha | JordiGH: I just have hsync on 30-60 and vrefresh on 50-75 ... nice wide ranges so it can just auto-detect :-) |
| 19:19.51 | JordiGH | dvs: Heh, where would I find such a thing. |
| 19:19.59 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I can't access my linux box via ssh or swat when both are running, anyone else have this problem? |
| 19:20.06 | JordiGH | Vasistha: The wide ranges failed here. Sometimes it autodetects the wrong one. |
| 19:20.11 | dvs | JordiGH: I'd image one came with your monitor/laptop |
| 19:20.31 | Flash_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN - sounds like they're set to use the same port. |
| 19:20.32 | greyscale | my screen runs up to 1280x1024. I set it to this in XF86Xonfig-4 and now my screen is still at 640x400 but the desktop is at 1280x1024. Solutions please ^-^ |
| 19:20.41 | Vasistha | JordiGH: "damn". yeah, that's when I would say visit the linux laptop sites and find where someone else has gotten the specifics :-) |
| 19:20.42 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | flash, are they? |
| 19:20.48 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | tssh uses 22 doesn't it? |
| 19:20.48 | hareldvd | Vasistha: Actually I thought of taking http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/libmotif-dev but it is marked as non-free. I need it for a course of a customer who should have in the devel env everything licenses correctly and I will get rid of it once the course is over. Do you think I can still use this package? |
| 19:20.54 | JordiGH | dvs: Yeah, right. As if lappys had manuals chained to them when they change ownership. :-) |
| 19:20.54 | roxy_ | when is it necessary to use a file as swap ? |
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| 19:21.06 | dvs | greyscale: rearrange the resolutions in your screen section and put the one you want first |
| 19:21.20 | dvs | JordiGH: google is your friend |
| 19:21.24 | Vasistha | hareldvd: I can't give you legal advice, but it's relatively simple to add non-free to your sources.list and install it. |
| 19:21.40 | Vasistha | roxy_: as opposed to...? |
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| 19:21.47 | JordiGH | dvs: I want to see if I can do better resolution that 800x600, though. I'll try googling, but even that is often tricky. |
| 19:21.51 | roxy_ | Vasistha: on a device |
| 19:21.55 | hareldvd | Vasistha: OK, Thanks. |
| 19:22.02 | roxy_ | Vasistha: or partition |
| 19:22.03 | dvs | JordiGH: what monitor/laptop? |
| 19:22.14 | greyscale | no joy. |
| 19:22.22 | JordiGH | dvs: Toshiba 2100cds Satelllite. Those are the words written on it. |
| 19:22.24 | greyscale | Everything is still ultra-huge |
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| 19:22.42 | itrebal | is there a way to upgrade from the 2.4 kernel to the 2.6 kernel without manually re-compiling? |
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| 19:22.55 | Vasistha | roxy_: well, running swap on a file (like windoze) encourages fragmentation of your file system, and the swap will be slower. Running it on its own partition is *always* ideal. There is no reason that I know that you should ever run swap on a file. |
| 19:23.22 | greyscale | HURRUH! |
| 19:23.24 | greyscale | It works! |
| 19:23.26 | greyscale | Finally |
| 19:23.29 | Vasistha | itrebal: yeah, just insteall kernel-image-2.6-<yourarchitecture> |
| 19:23.33 | greyscale | BIG HUG FOR YOU ALL! |
| 19:23.37 | JordiGH | !beer all |
| 19:23.49 | greyscale | lol |
| 19:23.52 | itrebal | thanks, Vasistha |
| 19:24.02 | Vasistha | you're welcome |
| 19:24.06 | roxy_ | Vasistha: studying for LPI, and having a look at mkswap and swapon I just learned it could be done on file. Just wondering why the fuck I would use a file instead of a partition |
| 19:24.11 | greyscale | WTF? LOL MOZILLA! |
| 19:24.12 | greyscale | XD |
| 19:24.20 | greyscale | arrrgh retro! |
| 19:24.44 | greyscale | so an hour of fucking about and I have my first "pure" debian system |
| 19:24.45 | greyscale | woot |
| 19:24.55 | JordiGH | dvs: Wow. There's a detailed webpage specficially about putting GNU/Linux on this kind of lappy. |
| 19:25.07 | Vasistha | roxy_: like I said, I don't know of any good reason to do so ... except perhaps as some kind of swap backup just in case the swap partition fills up? But if that's a concern, better to just make a bigger swap partition. |
| 19:25.15 | JordiGH | greyscale: Thankfully, using Debian is always easier than maintaining it. :-) |
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| 19:25.33 | dvs | JordiGH: there you go! |
| 19:26.20 | Vasistha | JordiGH: I've found a handful of pages dedicated to running linux on my laptop. No one of the pages is "complete" -- each has something unique to offer. |
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| 19:26.44 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i can access the internet with my linux box but i can't access my box via ssh or swat, why might this happen? |
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| 19:27.12 | Vasistha | Silent_Chaos[CAN: firewall? sshd not running? I dunno |
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| 19:27.16 | enouf | roxy_ : swapfile can grow and shrink - a partition is allocated space |
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| 19:27.25 | roxy_ | Vasistha: that could be valid: You've got only 1 partition mounted and you're using it, system becoming to slow so you create a swap file then when you're finished you can repartition |
| 19:27.35 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | sshd is running, how do I configure the firewall to allow ssh and swat? |
| 19:27.54 | Ronin | Silent_Chaos[CAN: open and forward the correct ports back to the machine |
| 19:28.25 | enouf | roxy_ : I guess also ppl sometimes use 4 primaries and no ext'd so - therefore out of available partitions too |
| 19:28.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is there a firewall on the linux box? that's the only thing that could be blocking it |
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| 19:28.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it's a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:28.50 | NameTab | Silent_Chaos[CAN: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/A_basic_firewall_configuration_suitable_for_a_workstation |
| 19:28.54 | roxy_ | enouf: haven't think about that use case :-) |
| 19:29.07 | enouf | roxy_ : plus swapon swapoff is more easily done than doing that to a partition at boot time |
| 19:29.09 | NameTab | Silent_Chaos[CAN: google is your friend, so are wiki's |
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| 19:29.24 | roxy_ | enouf: btw, my chattr immutable system was bloody fucking stupid :-) |
| 19:29.38 | enouf | roxy_ : plus swapon swapoff is more easily done - because you'd need to reboot is wehat I mean |
| 19:29.44 | freeone3000 | To get a swap partition, can I just fdisk and edit /etc/fstab? |
| 19:30.41 | JordiGH | freeone3000: If a swap partition already exists, yes. |
| 19:30.42 | Vasistha | freeone3000: I would usually recommend cfdisk rather than fdisk. And that's only if you have unpartitioned disk space. If all of your disk space is already partitioned (and you don't want to just delete a partition) then you'll need to use parted or something |
| 19:31.05 | enouf | freeone3000: yep -- but you know the correct entries ? - and ID the partition correctly as 82 |
| 19:31.20 | roxy_ | enouf: I created a script so files became immutable at boot and not immutable on stop. The problem is once the system crashed so the file stayed immutable. Impossible to boot from there. I had to rescue the system :-) |
| 19:31.23 | Vasistha | freeone3000: heh, JordiGH's point is a good one -- you should use fdisk -l /dev/hd[a-f] to see if there is already a swap partition |
| 19:31.27 | freeone3000 | enouf: Nu-uh. |
| 19:31.34 | freeone3000 | Vasistha: Parted? Thanks. |
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| 19:32.11 | JordiGH | freeone3000: There are good front-ends to parted. I recommend gparted, but that's, y'know, faith-dependant. |
| 19:32.28 | dvs | heh |
| 19:32.30 | Vasistha | freeone3000: I use timo's rescue CD as a bootable CD so I can run parted and other utils without having the file systems mounted |
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| 19:32.45 | enouf | freeone3000: Mines on hdc5 -- [/dev/hdc5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 19:32.46 | enouf | ] |
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| 19:32.53 | freeone3000 | Vasistha: Ah. I have to unmount. Thanks. |
| 19:33.14 | freeone3000 | enouf: Okay, thanks. |
| 19:33.15 | greyscale | So, to the group, I pose this question: Any way to make debian less... fuggly? |
| 19:33.23 | NameTab | fuggly? :S |
| 19:33.26 | dvs | watch you mouth! |
| 19:33.28 | enouf | roxy_ : what onearth aer you doing - hehehehe |
| 19:33.43 | greyscale | "Fucking ugly" |
| 19:33.43 | darsie | Hi! My audio files (mixer, dsp) are missing in /dev. /dev/MAKEDEV didn't create them, though I can see them in the script. |
| 19:33.43 | JordiGH | Hm, KDE app complaining about miimetypes. I think this means I need to restart KDE. |
| 19:33.43 | enouf | roxy_ : what on earth are you doing* - hehehehe |
| 19:33.48 | dvs | greyscale: don't use GNOME |
| 19:34.17 | greyscale | dvs, AHAHAAH *comes after dvs and JordiGH with a pitchfork* |
| 19:34.21 | NameTab | why use KDE or GNOME? Fluxbox&XFCE4 work perfectly :) |
| 19:34.41 | JordiGH | I think this must be third or fourth desktop skirmish of the day. |
| 19:34.42 | greyscale | Gnome is nice and orderly. And IMO KDE looks like a beta of OSX |
| 19:34.52 | greyscale | JordiGH, haha# |
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| 19:35.16 | NameTab | a desktop skirmish is useless |
| 19:35.27 | greyscale | SpComb, FRIEND OR FOE? (Gnome or KDE) |
| 19:35.28 | NameTab | it's all a matter of opinion and you can change everything you have to your own like |
| 19:35.35 | greyscale | zactly. |
| 19:35.39 | dvs | !start a dm war |
| 19:35.39 | dpkg | xdm is a PITA to configure! |
| 19:35.42 | SpComb | greyscale: X is a waste of resources |
| 19:35.49 | JordiGH | NameTab: My dm kicks your dm's ass. |
| 19:35.56 | greyscale | SpComb, lol |
| 19:35.58 | NameTab | JordiGH: gdm pwnage :) |
| 19:36.05 | NameTab | default! |
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| 19:36.18 | NameTab | btw, I don't even use a dm on this laptop |
| 19:36.24 | JordiGH | Brb. Restarting X. |
| 19:36.48 | NameTab | I don't see the use of a single user - single window manager system |
| 19:37.02 | SpComb | are we in the middle of a Gnome/KDE war? |
| 19:37.08 | NameTab | SpComb: yup |
| 19:37.11 | NameTab | kind of :) |
| 19:37.20 | Vasistha | darsie: I can give you the major,minor numbers for mknod if you like |
| 19:37.29 | NameTab | I use neither, only gtk/gtk2 packages though |
| 19:37.36 | roxy_ | enouf: playing with my system :-) |
| 19:38.02 | darsie | Vasistha: thx, I rather wonder If I should create these files manually or fix it otherwise. |
| 19:38.04 | greyscale | well, debian revived a dead winbox |
| 19:38.06 | greyscale | huzzuh |
| 19:38.07 | Malagmyr | Which stock kernel is best for an AMD64? Should I use the K7 one or the 686 one? Not sure exactly what K7 covers... |
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| 19:38.25 | dvs | Malagmyr: 686 |
| 19:38.26 | greyscale | WTF are you doing running K7 on a '64? |
| 19:38.35 | greyscale | K7 covers AMD K7 chips |
| 19:38.37 | greyscale | not K8 |
| 19:38.41 | Vasistha | darsie: I dunno .. I've helped a few people with mknod ... there seems to be an intermittent problem with the debian installer making the /dev tree. One girl was in here once without a /dev/null |
| 19:38.44 | Malagmyr | dvs: thanks |
| 19:38.53 | NameTab | does debian already have 64 bit kernels? |
| 19:38.59 | Vasistha | NameTab: yes |
| 19:39.01 | SpComb | well, I'm trying to mount a nfs export onto a debian sarge system, and it's not working, "mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs'" |
| 19:39.01 | Malagmyr | greyscale: I'm not |
| 19:39.05 | greyscale | Vasistha, I almost belived you up to "one girl was in here" |
| 19:39.20 | dvs | NameTab: yes, but amd64 is for etch only |
| 19:39.22 | Vasistha | greyscale: heh ... well, someone claimed to be a girl. |
| 19:39.28 | greyscale | Thats more like it. |
| 19:39.32 | greyscale | hehe |
| 19:39.33 | NameTab | dvs: etch? |
| 19:39.43 | dvs | NameTab: testing, soon to be 4.0 |
| 19:39.50 | NameTab | right |
| 19:40.04 | SpComb | I'm guessing I'm missing something in the kernel that will let me mount nfs exports, how can I check that? |
| 19:40.10 | tralala | dvs: there is unoffcial amd64 sarge |
| 19:40.11 | Navux | hi #debian, where can I find info about numbers that #cat /proc/loadavrg shows? |
| 19:40.33 | Vasistha | darsie: and I think on a couple other occasions people's problems have been fixed by just adding device nodes. Anyway, let me know if you want help just putting them in, it might solve your problem |
| 19:40.40 | tralala | Navux: man uptime |
| 19:41.09 | Vasistha | SpComb: there's a package to install for nfs support |
| 19:41.11 | SpComb | Navux: http://www.luv.asn.au/overheads/NJG_LUV_2002/luvSlides.html |
| 19:41.14 | Navux | tralala: TNX, |
| 19:41.20 | darsie | Vasistha: Thx. I'll see if I find the numbers myself. |
| 19:41.24 | SpComb | Vasistha: called? I have nfs-common installed... |
| 19:41.28 | greyscale | How can I resize my ext3 drive. |
| 19:41.30 | gogo | dvs: did u mean that etch will be SOON stable? :) |
| 19:41.35 | tralala | Navux: wlcm |
| 19:41.39 | Vasistha | SpComb: heh, I think that's it :-) |
| 19:41.39 | dvs | !etch |
| 19:41.39 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 19:41.41 | greyscale | I suddenly have a need for a 10GB windows partition >< |
| 19:41.52 | dvs | gogo: They're aiming for December |
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| 19:42.16 | Vasistha | greyscale: parted ... and use a maintenance / rescue CD. Although I'm not sure if it works on ext3 :P |
| 19:42.17 | gogo | THIS year? |
| 19:42.20 | biopyte | hi. i'm just listening to internet radio with xmms. what is a convenient way to save the stream to a file? |
| 19:42.21 | gogo | :) |
| 19:42.25 | dvs | gogo: Yes! it's a miracle! |
| 19:42.31 | gogo | WOW |
| 19:42.33 | Vasistha | biopyte: mplayer -dumpstream |
| 19:42.35 | greyscale | bah fuck it. I'll just run it in VMWARE |
| 19:42.41 | NameTab | dvs, gogo: *aiming* ..? |
| 19:42.53 | NameTab | greyscale: why on earth would you want to install windows on 10gigs? |
| 19:42.54 | gogo | yeah, like with sarge :) |
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| 19:43.06 | vulture | I ran windows on 4GB for several years.. |
| 19:43.10 | dvs | gogo: That would be 2009. |
| 19:43.11 | biopyte | Vashita, i'd like to avoid mplayer, since i use xine. any alternatives? |
| 19:43.14 | vulture | granted I used Linux on the other 8GB most of the time |
| 19:43.23 | FarrisG | Is there a way to tell exactly what resources are the source of iowait? |
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| 19:43.39 | Vasistha | biopyte: I don't know :-( |
| 19:43.44 | biopyte | Vasistha, no way to do it with XMMS? |
| 19:43.48 | Navux | tralala: and what's the maximum number of system load averages ? |
| 19:44.05 | Vasistha | biopyte: perhaps ask #xmms if there is such a channel |
| 19:44.07 | NameTab | vulture: I'm still running openbsd on 800mb's harddrive :) |
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| 19:44.17 | dvs | Navux: it varies from system to system. That number is the number of processes waiting to be run |
| 19:44.25 | tralala | Navux: I have no idea. I think I've seen up to 6 |
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| 19:44.35 | JordiGH | Painless migration from the old X.org packages to the recently exploded X.org packages. w00t, verily. |
| 19:44.36 | biopyte | Vasistha, they are all sleeping |
| 19:44.49 | gogo | yeah, but i don't mind, i use stable on servers, nevermind it's out-of-date and sid on desktops |
| 19:45.04 | Vasistha | biopyte: just pose the question and let the channel sit there, open, for an hour or two, probably someone will eventually wake up and give an answer ;-) |
| 19:45.18 | Vasistha | biopyte: or try a mailing list |
| 19:45.19 | Z_Morek | is there somewhere I can tell bash to fill the screen when running in x? |
| 19:45.21 | NameTab | gogo: go google :P |
| 19:45.23 | Mr_Magic | anyone who knows how to limit in size a samba shared folder? |
| 19:45.36 | Vasistha | Z_Morek: what do you mean, "fill the screen"? |
| 19:45.36 | JordiGH | Z_Morek: Fill the screen? |
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| 19:45.37 | Navux | tralala: dvs, again tnx |
| 19:45.44 | blondie | Mr_Magic: only way to do that is make it a separate partition |
| 19:45.48 | dvs | you're welcome |
| 19:45.57 | greyscale | NameTab, for running the ONLY app I can't get to run/replace in linux |
| 19:45.58 | Z_Morek | Vasistha: I mean it runs in the top left corner with dead space all along the bottom and right sides |
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| 19:46.11 | biopyte | Vasistha, ok, thanks |
| 19:46.12 | Z_Morek | but when I run anything in x, like mplayer it goes fullscreen |
| 19:46.13 | NameTab | greyscale: which is? |
| 19:46.31 | Mr_Magic | blondie: I'm glad I did that, how can I set this in the smb.conf? |
| 19:46.34 | gogo | why google? |
| 19:46.43 | NameTab | roflol |
| 19:46.50 | greyscale | XD |
| 19:46.56 | blondie | Mr_Magic: have you shared the folder? |
| 19:46.59 | greyscale | eh. A few games. |
| 19:47.01 | tralala | gogo: you can use msn if you prefer |
| 19:47.03 | Vasistha | Z_Morek: I'm not sure if you're referring to text mode or X, where you're having the problem |
| 19:47.05 | ezu | can someone post me the source for non-free and some of the packages to install xfree? |
| 19:47.07 | greyscale | oh, and macromedia studio |
| 19:47.07 | NameTab | right, games |
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| 19:47.27 | gogo | fuck msn |
| 19:47.32 | NameTab | greyscale: okay, so games and macromedia, right, that'll take you 10 gigs :) |
| 19:47.40 | Z_Morek | vasistha: bash runs in full screen and then I run startx, and then it goes to the top left corner, as though it's been shrunk down |
| 19:47.43 | Vasistha | ezu: well, xfree isn't in non-free ... but you can add non-free to your sources.list relatively easily. And you might want to visit http://packages.debian.org |
| 19:47.45 | JordiGH | Vasistha: It's possible to have graphical output without X. mplayer does this, apparently. |
| 19:47.50 | greyscale | NameTab, Whut? |
| 19:48.01 | greyscale | NameTab, what I want DOES fit in 10 gigs |
| 19:48.02 | Mr_Magic | blondie: yes, but the windows users can't see the limit size of the folder, so I thought to set a maximum somewhere |
| 19:48.12 | vulture | JordiGH: framebuffer stuff, I suppose |
| 19:48.50 | gogo | JordiGH: what u want is libsvga |
| 19:48.51 | Vasistha | Z_Morek: ...and it's still visible at the same time as X? |
| 19:49.00 | NameTab | greyscale: yes, that's what I meant |
| 19:49.06 | blondie | Mr_Magic: they will see the size limit iff they map a network drive |
| 19:49.11 | JordiGH | gogo: I want nothing of the sort. Talk to Z_Morek. :-) |
| 19:49.35 | Vasistha | JordiGH: that's interesting ... perhaps I'll try that sometime soon, I have a box here with the base system and no X, I think it would be fun to see what mplayer does :D |
| 19:49.40 | greyscale | NameTab, oh, lol |
| 19:49.45 | NameTab | :) |
| 19:49.49 | SpComb | bonzi buddy? |
| 19:49.51 | Z_Morek | vasistha: I think I'm describing things improperly... |
| 19:49.51 | greyscale | How do I set it to a british keyboard? |
| 19:49.56 | Mr_Magic | blondie: how can I set a network drive? |
| 19:49.58 | SpComb | ack |
| 19:50.04 | Z_Morek | vasistha: a shell opens when I startx, and it's not full screen |
| 19:50.11 | greyscale | bonzi buddy should run under wine |
| 19:50.16 | wojci | JordiGH, I used mplayer with fbdev before. On a xbox. |
| 19:50.17 | Z_Morek | vasistha: as opposed to bash |
| 19:50.18 | Vasistha | Z_Morek: that shell is within an X window? |
| 19:50.26 | Z_Morek | vasistha: yes |
| 19:50.45 | blondie | Mr_Magic: go to Tools -> Map Network Drive in explorer |
| 19:50.50 | Vasistha | Z_Morek: uhh ... did you try to maximize the window? Or change the font size? |
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| 19:51.00 | ezu | Vasistha, i have gone over packages.debian.org but I am looking for the deb for sources.list |
| 19:51.11 | Vasistha | ezu: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:51.14 | Z_Morek | vasistha: I'm not even running a display manager, this is just straight x |
| 19:51.36 | Mr_Magic | blondie: great I'll try |
| 19:51.46 | nxtw | i just installed debian and it freezes at GRUB loading, please wait... any ideas? |
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| 19:51.51 | Vasistha | Z_Morek: right ... well, I believe you can always go back to the virtual terminals with ctrl+alt+F1 ... ctrl+alt+f6 |
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| 19:52.04 | ezu | Vasistha, i know that, I am looking for the non-free deb line so I can add it to the sources.list file |
| 19:52.20 | Vasistha | ezu: it's just 'non-free'. that's all. |
| 19:52.28 | Vasistha | !non-free |
| 19:52.28 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 19:52.56 | JordiGH | !vrms |
| 19:52.56 | dpkg | i heard vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... |
| 19:53.04 | JordiGH | Hehehe.... |
| 19:53.09 | dvs | heh |
| 19:53.14 | tralala | now that's something :) |
| 19:53.18 | JordiGH | vrms on my machine reports ZERO packages from the non-free section! :D |
| 19:53.24 | Vasistha | ezu: see ... just go to the end of the line where it says 'main' and add to it so it says 'main contrib non-free' at the end of each source line. |
| 19:53.39 | ezu | i tired that but it was not working for me. I will try it again though |
| 19:53.54 | Vasistha | ezu: did you apt-get update |
| 19:54.00 | ezu | ya |
| 19:54.14 | Vasistha | ezu: are you sure your sources provide contrib and non-free packages? |
| 19:54.45 | JordiGH | I even recently stopped using Maple and switched to Maxima instead. That was the hardest non-free software for me to abandon. |
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| 19:55.04 | dvs | JordiGH: what about Octave? |
| 19:55.18 | Vasistha | JordiGH: vrms *missed* acrobat reader... |
| 19:55.27 | JordiGH | dvs: Yes, I use Octave too. But Octave isn't for symbolic manipulations. Maxima is. |
| 19:55.38 | ezu | im using us.debian.org .. i would hope so :) I am not sure which sources supply which |
| 19:55.45 | Vasistha | oh, wait ... that's because it's from marillat's repository which is called "main" :P |
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| 19:56.27 | JordiGH | Vasistha: Maybe vrms should be modified in order to label all of Marillat as "evil". |
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| 19:56.46 | JordiGH | Vasistha: But I'm still riding a high horse. This box has no Marillat on it either. :-) |
| 19:57.06 | deadcat_ | (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. what to do? |
| 19:57.19 | Vasistha | JordiGH: I don't know that mplayer is by definition "evil" -- if anything, the reasons for its not being in debian are what's evil. |
| 19:57.22 | deadcat_ | should i just use "ati" instead of "radeon" in xorg.conf? |
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| 19:57.29 | JordiGH | Vasistha: I suppose that's true. |
| 19:57.34 | Vasistha | deadcat_: try it? |
| 19:57.49 | deadcat_ | k |
| 19:57.51 | Vasistha | deadcat_: you can also try fglrx |
| 19:57.51 | k31th | Recomends on a web based file manager? (ftp front end or some thing ?) |
| 19:58.08 | ezu | its been about 5 years since i used debian last so I am trying to remember everything. I have forgotten where the useful sources are at for getting things done in stable.. |
| 19:58.13 | JordiGH | jordi@Sophia:~$ vrms |
| 19:58.13 | JordiGH | No non-free packages installed on Sophia! rms would be proud |
| 19:58.13 | deadcat_ | Vasistha: ppc dont have fglrx )= |
| 19:58.28 | Vasistha | deadcat_: well, cross your fingers for ati then ;-) |
| 19:58.29 | deadcat_ | k31th: use thunar. its not web-base. its gtk2 based |
| 19:58.34 | deadcat_ | (= |
| 19:58.43 | k31th | deadcat_: it needs to be web based |
| 19:58.49 | deadcat_ | oh |
| 19:58.51 | deadcat_ | dont know any |
| 19:59.01 | deadcat_ | k31th: usermin maybe? |
| 19:59.02 | k31th | so kids can login from home and get there work (this is a school) |
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| 19:59.29 | tralala | k31th: a gui ftp client? |
| 19:59.42 | flixil | What's the difference in use with .bashrc and .bash_profile? i read that it's something about dinamic consoles, but i haven't undestood it at end. Thanks. |
| 19:59.55 | Vasistha | k31th: does it actually have to be ftp-based, or would it be just as well to let the transfers happen via http? |
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| 20:00.07 | Vasistha | flixil: I have an excellent link for that, just a sec |
| 20:00.14 | flixil | Vasistha: thanks :) |
| 20:00.23 | Nikolay | Hi all, is it possible to fix the following warning on appears on each gvim execution? Warning: (vim:30347): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 4097 |
| 20:00.29 | Vasistha | flixil: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/DotFiles |
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| 20:01.02 | flixil | i'll read it ;) thanks for saciating my curiosity |
| 20:01.18 | greyscale | WTF You still have apple lazerwriters but not my canon BJC-7000? |
| 20:01.21 | Vasistha | flixil: you're welcome. should answer literally all your questions, including ones you haven't yet thought of ;-) |
| 20:01.29 | greyscale | how do I add a network printer? |
| 20:01.37 | JordiGH | satiating. Weird spelling. |
| 20:01.53 | JordiGH | greyscale: Is it a Windows printer? If not, CUPS usually finds them. |
| 20:01.58 | greyscale | Its not |
| 20:01.58 | k31th | Vasistha: does not have to be ftp based |
| 20:02.03 | greyscale | well it is. |
| 20:02.07 | greyscale | But its a network printer |
| 20:02.16 | greyscale | and there are compatable drivers |
| 20:02.21 | JordiGH | greyscale: Then you need to communicate with it with samba. |
| 20:02.36 | greyscale | its a "MP700" but relys on the BJC-7000 driver |
| 20:02.42 | greyscale | Its not a samba printer |
| 20:02.50 | greyscale | its a HP NETJET or something |
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| 20:03.02 | JordiGH | greyscale: Samba is the network protocol. |
| 20:03.17 | greyscale | HP JetDirect |
| 20:03.20 | flixil | Vasistha: I'll se and i'll tell you later :) it seems a good page |
| 20:03.33 | greyscale | The host is 10.0.0.254 and the port is 9100 |
| 20:03.40 | robin_sz | greyscale, no need for samba. forget that |
| 20:03.47 | greyscale | told you ^-^ |
| 20:03.57 | robin_sz | greyscale, CUPS will communicate directly for you |
| 20:04.06 | greyscale | thats if I knew where to look |
| 20:04.19 | robin_sz | install cupsd |
| 20:04.25 | greyscale | ok |
| 20:04.33 | Malagmyr | Why does my laptop (Acer Aspire 5010) not have a /dev/psaux when running kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686, and what can I do about it? |
| 20:04.46 | greyscale | couldn't find package cupsd |
| 20:04.56 | JordiGH | Malagmyr: Is this about mice? Use /dev/input/mice |
| 20:05.29 | Malagmyr | JordiGH: yes it is. but all the documentation I can find tells me to use /dev/psaux on this line of laptops |
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| 20:05.54 | dvs | Malagmyr: is your mouse working? |
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| 20:06.03 | Vasistha | k31th: well I mean, the most basic way would be to just open up directory listings and let them browser :-) if you want a user-friendly interface, I'd use php, or perhaps some CMS |
| 20:06.08 | Malagmyr | dvs: well, it works in Windows... |
| 20:06.18 | greyscale | boohiss |
| 20:06.19 | nxtw | what do i do when grub loads stage1.5 and then goes to GRUB loading, please wait... and then does nothing? |
| 20:06.28 | robin_sz | greyscale, its cupsys ... apt-cache search cupsys |
| 20:06.43 | greyscale | k |
| 20:06.57 | dvs | Malagmyr: do you have a /dev/input/mice entry? |
| 20:06.59 | greyscale | I love the fact the mirror I use it like, 2 miles away |
| 20:07.02 | Malagmyr | dvs: nope |
| 20:07.03 | greyscale | well, 20. |
| 20:07.05 | greyscale | But still |
| 20:07.07 | greyscale | Its "local" |
| 20:07.09 | greyscale | almost >> |
| 20:07.15 | Vasistha | nxtw: sounds like grub doesn't know what /boot partition to look for, or /boot doesn't contain the stage1.5 files ... you probably need to reinstall grub or something |
| 20:07.16 | greyscale | mirror.ox.ac.uk |
| 20:07.22 | greyscale | An acedemic server ^-^ |
| 20:07.29 | nxtw | I booted from the cd and did update-grub |
| 20:07.30 | dvs | !usbmouse |
| 20:07.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 20:07.33 | nxtw | it's a fresh install |
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| 20:07.54 | Malagmyr | will do. |
| 20:08.13 | nxtw | it looks for (hd0,0) which is /dev/hde (there is no a-d). it's on a pci ide card |
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| 20:09.03 | robin_sz | greyscale, check out the hplip package too |
| 20:09.10 | greyscale | ok |
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| 20:09.35 | robin_sz | hplip - HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (hplip) |
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| 20:11.35 | opnsrc | i forgot, how do you run scripts in a terminal? |
| 20:11.42 | opnsrc | like installer.sh |
| 20:11.45 | opnsrc | I want to run that inside a terminal |
| 20:11.48 | Malagmyr | ./installer.sh |
| 20:11.50 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 20:11.51 | cowman_ | what is a good way to switch automatically between wired and wireless network interfaces? |
| 20:11.57 | Malagmyr | ... |
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| 20:12.06 | zck | hi |
| 20:12.12 | Malagmyr | !greet zck |
| 20:12.13 | dpkg | Tag, zck |
| 20:12.15 | arjay | hello zck |
| 20:12.26 | greyscale | sup zck |
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| 20:12.42 | Vasistha | cowman_: ifplugd can detect when a physical cable is plugged/unplugged |
| 20:12.43 | cowman_ | like say if the ethernet gets unplugged.... I want to automaticaly go to the wifi interface, and then if it gets plugged in again go back to the faster connection |
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| 20:13.05 | robin_sz | tricky |
| 20:13.18 | SpComb | !nfs |
| 20:13.19 | dpkg | i heard nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 20:13.21 | Vasistha | cowman_: as for automatically switching, maybe a daemon or something that works in conjunction with ifplugd |
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| 20:13.37 | robin_sz | the other way around is easier ... a hotplug script for the PCMCIA wireless card to take down/up the wired lan ... |
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| 20:13.56 | ktwilight | i'm having a problem with my keymap, cant seem to find the problem at all |
| 20:13.57 | cowman_ | my wireless "card" is internal |
| 20:14.25 | ktwilight | its fresh install. and basically, whenever i use the arrow keys, it gives us a ' or enable/disable the numlock |
| 20:14.35 | robin_sz | then try ifplugd |
| 20:14.44 | opnsrc | I have an RPM file |
| 20:14.46 | opnsrc | how do I install it |
| 20:14.49 | opnsrc | it says use alien |
| 20:14.54 | cowman_ | under windows I had software that detected the fastest interface and refered to it. it also would let me put in wireless profiles and automatically connect to whatever wireless network I was near |
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| 20:15.17 | robin_sz | cowman, how nice for you |
| 20:15.26 | Flash_ | :) |
| 20:15.34 | cowman_ | I know, it's wonderous |
| 20:15.51 | cowman_ | anyway there's gotta be a *nix equivilant.... well maybe not. but it'd be nice |
| 20:15.52 | robin_sz | look up ifplugd, it will do what you want |
| 20:15.56 | cowman_ | k |
| 20:16.06 | Malagmyr | dvs: I still don't get a /dev/input/mice :( |
| 20:16.07 | CHodapp | there are equivalents whose names I can't remember |
| 20:16.48 | Malagmyr | I don't have a /dev/psaux, nor a /dev/input/mice. I do have a working mouse, and I run kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686. Help? |
| 20:17.00 | ktwilight | is anyone experiencing an odd behavoiur when using arrow keys in etch? |
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| 20:21.01 | greyscale | You twisted firestarter |
| 20:21.15 | Firestarter | why? |
| 20:21.26 | greyscale | anarchy instigator. |
| 20:21.36 | Firestarter | huh? |
| 20:21.44 | greyscale | *sigh* Never heard of prodigy then >> |
| 20:21.49 | ezu | to get your mouse to work within a default install of debian and configuring the X server, do you need gpm running? |
| 20:21.51 | greyscale | Prodigy, firestarter |
| 20:22.05 | SpComb | oh, and the etch installer's partition manager is awesome. Must mention |
| 20:22.15 | Firestarter | ahhh |
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| 20:22.41 | Greg0rY | hello |
| 20:23.11 | ktwilight | so i take it that no one has the same behaviour as i do :/ |
| 20:23.18 | ktwilight | something is wrong somewhere then :/ |
| 20:24.02 | PhUrl | i started a autotools repacking of the large scale c++ software dependancy analysis http://rdfintrospector.blogspot.com/2006/08/configuration-tools-part-1-lsc-large.html |
| 20:24.13 | Greg0rY | how can I create a directory in /home/myuser/config and forbid *myuser* do rename, change, edit this directory and the file inside ? |
| 20:24.20 | Greg0rY | *to |
| 20:25.34 | JordiGH | Hmm.... is slime too old? What kind of common lisp modes exist for Emacs? |
| 20:25.40 | vulture | Greg0rY: change the permissions & ownership.. |
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| 20:26.09 | Greg0rY | vulture: I need the user by ftp access to be unable to edit/remove/rename, but apache to be able to read it |
| 20:26.16 | vulture | ensure someone other than myuser owns the file & that whatever permissions the file grants to myuser (through group or "other") don't allow renaming, changing, etc..) |
| 20:27.11 | JordiGH | I guess Lisp is so 1960's.... |
| 20:28.20 | Greg0rY | vulture: actually it's a php.ini file stored in /home/foo/config/php4/php.ini |
| 20:28.59 | Greg0rY | my goal is to forbid config folder to be renamed/deleted/and let the file php.ini readable by apache and nobody to modificate/rename it |
| 20:29.08 | vulture | um a) why does it reside in the user's directory if it's not for them to play with anyway? |
| 20:29.15 | arjay | wouldn't chmod=r [file]or chmod 444[file] do what you need Greg0rY? That would make it read only for anyone. |
| 20:29.39 | PhUrl | is there a tool to generate a skeleton debian package for packaging |
| 20:29.47 | vulture | the renaming of "config" is a permission on the user's home directory - if the user can rename one folder in their home directory, they can rename any others (if I'm not mistaken) |
| 20:30.13 | vulture | so you'll be hard pressed to limit them to not rename /home/foo/config without seriously restricting their use of their home directory |
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| 20:30.54 | vulture | you could of course have /some/other/path/config and then just have /home/foo/config -> /some/other/path/config - if the user chooses to delete or rename the symlink it doesn't change the underlying directory.. |
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| 20:31.18 | ktwilight | right...so my keyboard is messing with me... |
| 20:31.21 | ktwilight | that's fun to know |
| 20:31.29 | Greg0rY | vulture: thanks |
| 20:31.35 | blindman | is it just me or is there something wrong with backports? |
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| 20:32.17 | opnsrc | darn, vmware doesn't support Debian |
| 20:32.18 | opnsrc | :( |
| 20:32.29 | blindman | opnsrc: yes, it does |
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| 20:32.38 | ootput | is it possible to specify configure flags when using dpkg-buildpackage to build a custom deb from debian source? |
| 20:32.49 | darsie | Hmm, I created the sound files, and now e.g. echo >/dev/dsp says 'bash: dsp: No such device'. I think I have loaded the correct LKMs. |
| 20:32.58 | blindman | opnsrc: there is a whole wikki devoted to vmware on debian, google it |
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| 20:33.23 | kingsley | darsie: What does "ls -l /dev/dsp" show? |
| 20:33.42 | darsie | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 14, 3 Aug 20 21:57 /dev/dsp |
| 20:33.52 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 20:34.04 | kingsley | What's a good application for viewing a directory containing .mp3 files and playing them? |
| 20:34.18 | ootput | moc? |
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| 20:34.24 | Heston | sh |
| 20:34.50 | darsie | I use mc/mpg123 and XMMS. |
| 20:34.55 | kingsley | darsie: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/ |
| 20:35.36 | darsie | kingsley: thx, but this doesn't help now, I'm afraid. |
| 20:35.54 | peterS | kingsley: cplay and mp3blaster should both do it |
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| 20:36.04 | robin_sz | hmmm .. my 2.6.16 kernel installed, but now X wont start? suggestions? |
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| 20:36.38 | arjay | what's response from startx |
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| 20:37.25 | JordiGH | Hm, something wrong with fonts. Everything looks too small! |
| 20:37.40 | JordiGH | Maybe I should use xfs? |
| 20:37.57 | kingsley | peterS: OK, thanks. |
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| 20:39.22 | i2501 | JordiGH, try increasing DPI |
| 20:39.24 | i2501 | might work |
| 20:39.49 | JordiGH | i2501: Hm, funny thing. The X log says none of the font directories are there. |
| 20:40.19 | opnsrc | now to figure out how to remove what this installation file did to my system |
| 20:40.45 | i2501 | yeah...it says so to me too...that some directories doesnt exist...and it will remove it...iirc |
| 20:40.59 | opnsrc | Does anyone know if it comes with an uninstall? |
| 20:41.42 | opnsrc | wow, it's released under the GPL |
| 20:42.04 | JordiGH | Is there a command to quickly rebuild my font directory? |
| 20:42.21 | JordiGH | Says here to run "mkfontdir" in a bunch of subdirectories. |
| 20:42.25 | i2501 | fc-cache...but not sure |
| 20:42.31 | i2501 | i dont know... :D |
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| 20:43.58 | arjay | yea...I think you go to your default font dir, and as root type fc-cache |
| 20:44.20 | flixil_ | Vasistha: Then if i undestood there are loggin shells and not loggin shells. On tty the shells are loggin ones and on X they are not? |
| 20:44.41 | i2501 | thought so...but i screwed my linux several times with root's super cow powers... |
| 20:45.02 | i2501 | i once forgot a . before /...and copied my root / to my home... :D |
| 20:45.17 | JordiGH | Also font problems with aliasing. Emacs looks ugly. :-( |
| 20:45.28 | flixil_ | i once make rm -rf ./* to delete a dir in my home but i forgot the dot... |
| 20:45.30 | arjay | :) know how you feel i2501 |
| 20:45.35 | i2501 | u install freetype fonts? |
| 20:45.39 | i2501 | oh...HAHA |
| 20:46.19 | darsie | There is no entry in dmesg when loading snd_cmipci and snd_emu10k1. Is this normal? |
| 20:46.51 | JordiGH | i2501: Which package wold that be? |
| 20:47.00 | tralala | darsie: some modules don't produce messages, so it *could* be normal |
| 20:47.07 | i2501 | i dont know...search with apt-cache search freetype2 |
| 20:47.20 | darsie | Hmm, maybe I upgrade tomorrow ... |
| 20:47.32 | i2501 | it will make ur font antialiased...iirc |
| 20:47.41 | JordiGH | i2501: Only comes up with freetype2.demos |
| 20:47.47 | JordiGH | freetype2-demos |
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| 20:48.11 | i2501 | did u add deb sources to ur apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:48.11 | ootput | how do i go about additing a configure --' to compile a from a debian src package? |
| 20:48.19 | ootput | *adding |
| 20:48.22 | JordiGH | i2501: Of course. :-) |
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| 20:48.33 | i2501 | well...let me check for u... :D |
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| 20:48.37 | tralala | ootput: edit debian/rules |
| 20:49.02 | i2501 | libttf2 - FreeType 1, The FREE TrueType Font Engine, shared library files |
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| 20:49.13 | i2501 | freetype2 - Dummy package for transition to libttf2 |
| 20:49.17 | ootput | tralala: ok |
| 20:49.20 | arjay | I remember doing it awhile back (freetype fonts) and then having to create fonts.scale with ttmkfdir |
| 20:49.25 | i2501 | try freetype2 |
| 20:49.26 | flixil_ | Vasistha: Ok i understood it now reading it again :) sorry for disturbing |
| 20:50.19 | JordiGH | i2501: Wtf... that package doesn't exist here. |
| 20:50.23 | JordiGH | !info freetype2 |
| 20:50.35 | i2501 | !info freetype2 |
| 20:50.39 | i2501 | :D |
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| 20:50.57 | JordiGH | i2501: Are you running Debian? |
| 20:51.08 | i2501 | is there a line like this in ur sources.list: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free ? |
| 20:51.12 | i2501 | yes |
| 20:51.18 | JordiGH | Yes, of course there is. |
| 20:51.19 | i2501 | srage |
| 20:51.34 | i2501 | well...strange...u did apt-get update too? |
| 20:51.35 | JordiGH | i2501: But as you can verify in the channel, there is no freetype2 package. |
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| 20:51.59 | i2501 | :| |
| 20:52.04 | i2501 | then try libttf2 |
| 20:52.08 | JordiGH | i2501: Where did you get that package description for freetype2? |
| 20:52.15 | i2501 | !info libttf2 |
| 20:52.20 | dpkg | libttf2: (FreeType 1, The FREE TrueType Font Engine, shared library files), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 1.4pre.20050518-0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 20:52.36 | hondza | hey guys! any of you printing texts with diacritics on debian? since last upgrade I can't print 'em. For example oowrite shows them ok but doesn't print them well. Any ideas? |
| 20:52.43 | i2501 | well...i dont know...i just added the deb source line...did apt-get update...iirc |
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| 20:53.17 | JordiGH | i2501: Why are you making a big deal about the deb source line? Everyone has one and it's odd that you're saying you added that line... |
| 20:53.26 | i2501 | i am noob... :D |
| 20:53.39 | i2501 | just came from window$ |
| 20:53.58 | JordiGH | Hmm... kay... |
| 20:54.03 | greyscale | I am an ubuntu user. |
| 20:54.07 | greyscale | Fear me. |
| 20:54.12 | greyscale | heheh |
| 20:54.14 | i2501 | HAHA |
| 20:54.56 | tralala | !fix greyscale |
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| 20:55.35 | tralala | dpkg knows how to treat ubuntu users ;) |
| 20:55.53 | CHodapp | !cow |
| 20:55.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
| 20:56.28 | JordiGH | Omg. Is that what that joke is about? A coding language? |
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| 20:56.40 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 20:56.46 | mateuszk | how to make initrd from just installed kernel? |
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| 20:57.59 | tralala | JordiGH: no, it's a cow joke and cow just happens to be a language as well. |
| 20:58.26 | JordiGH | tralala: I always suspect a deeper meaning. :-) |
| 20:58.33 | tralala | mateuszk: man mkinitrd |
| 20:58.45 | arjay | mateuszk cd /boot mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.13.2 2.6.13.2 (whatever your image) |
| 20:58.53 | tralala | JordiGH: stop reading between the lines ;) |
| 20:58.54 | i2501 | mkinitrd -o /boot/ <kernel-version> |
| 20:59.00 | mateuszk | arjay, kernel= ? |
| 20:59.03 | Ronin | JordiGH: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar :) |
| 20:59.09 | mateuszk | arjay, or just kernel version ? |
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| 20:59.57 | arjay | mateuszk - enter your kernel is in place of what i typed. |
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| 21:00.18 | mateuszk | arjay, # mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-xen-0.1 2.6.16-xen |
| 21:00.32 | mateuszk | or # mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-xen-0.1 kernel=2.6.16-xen |
| 21:01.22 | arjay | The first should do it mateuszk. You did a make install, and now have a vmlinuz, config, and system.map right |
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| 21:01.28 | greyscale | Help! ldd /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknow exit code (135)! |
| 21:02.00 | mateuszk | arjay, I used make-kpkg but for xen it doesnt create initrd automaticaly |
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| 21:02.14 | mateuszk | arjay, and in manutal they just wrote create it manualy ;] |
| 21:02.44 | arjay | ok...you should be ok with your first option then. |
| 21:02.52 | mateuszk | arjay, ok thx |
| 21:02.55 | mateuszk | can I mount img ? |
| 21:03.01 | mateuszk | to check wheter its corrct ? |
| 21:03.09 | greyscale | anyone help me? |
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| 21:03.39 | i2501 | i am noob...cant help... :D |
| 21:03.41 | arjay | I haven't tried that to know mateuszk. |
| 21:04.05 | mateuszk | arjay, mount /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-xen-0.1 -o loop /mnt/ -t ramfs |
| 21:04.13 | mateuszk | passed but /mnt is empty |
| 21:04.16 | tralala | greyscale: what did you do? |
| 21:04.21 | greyscale | installed vmware |
| 21:04.23 | mateuszk | whereas df shows that not /mnt is mounted |
| 21:04.26 | mateuszk | ;/ |
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| 21:04.26 | greyscale | the installer said all was well |
| 21:04.29 | nxtw | what would cause grub to stop loading after the boot command is executed? |
| 21:04.38 | mateuszk | arjay, ok thx I'l try reboot.. |
| 21:04.40 | greyscale | and now vmware just dies and spews forth that, twice. |
| 21:04.45 | mateuszk | arjay, keep fingers crossed ;) |
| 21:04.48 | arjay | ls /boot? |
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| 21:05.22 | arjay | g'luck mateuszk! |
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| 21:06.17 | tralala | greyscale: ldd vmware and strace vmware should give you some ideas of what could be wrong |
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| 21:06.51 | greyscale | AIIIIIIEEEEEEE |
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| 21:07.07 | greyscale | strace vmware spews forth a fuckton of shit |
| 21:07.20 | greyscale | and ldd vmware doesn't return anything |
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| 21:07.34 | greyscale | "ldd: ./vmware: no such file or dirctory |
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| 21:08.28 | tralala | greyscale: try the real path |
| 21:08.45 | greyscale | which is? |
| 21:09.11 | tralala | greyscale: which vmware |
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| 21:09.30 | greyscale | server |
| 21:09.39 | tralala | greyscale: this is a command |
| 21:09.40 | ezu | how do you bring up the configuration of a package to reconfigure it? |
| 21:09.59 | tralala | ezu: dpkg-reconfigure pakcage-name |
| 21:10.02 | ezu | ok |
| 21:10.03 | i2501 | dpkg -reconfigure pkgs name... |
| 21:10.07 | i2501 | oh.. :D |
| 21:10.58 | greyscale | tralala, its not an executable |
| 21:11.57 | tralala | greyscale: what is not an executable?! |
| 21:12.14 | greyscale | thats what ldd /usr/bin/vmware returned |
| 21:12.31 | greyscale | /usr/bin/vmware being what "which vmware" returned |
| 21:12.59 | tralala | greyscale: it certainly is an executable, perhaps not a dynamic one though |
| 21:13.08 | greyscale | >> |
| 21:13.31 | psychonate | if one has a soundblaster compatible card and has OSS, what modules should he load? |
| 21:13.41 | peterS | tralala: if I were to guess I'd guess it's a shell script |
| 21:13.48 | DaBlade | psychonate: emu10k1 |
| 21:13.55 | DaBlade | Of course I use ALSA so I'm not sure |
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| 21:14.01 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 21:14.06 | tralala | greyscale: file vmware |
| 21:14.08 | psychonate | DaBlade, is that the only module necessary? |
| 21:14.13 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:14.21 | DaBlade | Anyway, does anyone know how to select the distance between the lines in OpenOffice.org Writer? |
| 21:14.23 | peterS | %wb |
| 21:14.23 | tralala | peterS: this is a good one |
| 21:14.23 | badgers | thanks, peters. It's good to be back. |
| 21:14.25 | DaBlade | psychonate: For ALSA, yes. |
| 21:14.28 | DaBlade | psychonate: I don't know about OSS. |
| 21:14.32 | psychonate | ah |
| 21:14.41 | ezu | where does debian receive what programs start up on boot? |
| 21:14.41 | greyscale | "vmware: ERROR: cannot open 'vmware' (no such file or directory)" |
| 21:14.44 | DaBlade | I got a Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 |
| 21:14.49 | mateuszk | arjay, thx :) |
| 21:14.53 | mateuszk | arjay, it works :) |
| 21:14.57 | tralala | greyscale: oh, come on - use the full path |
| 21:14.57 | Ronin | greyscale: vmware has thier own irc network :) |
| 21:14.57 | DaBlade | Anyway, does anyone know how to select the distance between the lines in OpenOffice.org Writer? |
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| 21:15.09 | greyscale | doh |
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| 21:15.37 | greyscale | "/usr/bin/vmware: Bourne shell script text executable |
| 21:15.47 | tralala | !prise peterS |
| 21:15.48 | greyscale | Ronin, do they? Where? |
| 21:16.02 | tralala | ops %| |
| 21:16.04 | greyscale | lol @ dpkg |
| 21:16.11 | greyscale | !prise greyscale |
| 21:16.14 | Ronin | greyscale: i said irc didn't i? doh, sorry its a news server not irc |
| 21:16.15 | greyscale | heheh |
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| 21:16.30 | greyscale | awww shame >> |
| 21:16.36 | peterS | greyscale: yeah, don't repeat something that was just said. and making a bot repeat something is no more amusing than repeating it yourself |
| 21:16.47 | tralala | greyscale: are you sure that you've installed the correct vmware for your architecture? |
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| 21:17.04 | greyscale | tralala, there is only i386 |
| 21:17.16 | tralala | greyscale: do you run i386? |
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| 21:17.22 | greyscale | i686 |
| 21:17.26 | greyscale | FUCK |
| 21:17.43 | tralala | hmm, I don't think this is a problem |
| 21:17.59 | greyscale | >> |
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| 21:18.26 | JordiGH | Stuff for manipulating TeXinfo files? I guess just an Emacs mode will do it? |
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| 21:19.05 | tralala | greyscale: with a few words: you need to find the actual binary vmware file and check it with ldd and strace for hints of the problem. |
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| 21:20.49 | greyscale | ldd vmware returns "not a dynamic executable" |
| 21:21.22 | tralala | greyscale: because it's a shell script. View it and find out what's the binary that it's executing. |
| 21:21.50 | tralala | greyscale: if you can't do it on your own you might need some on-site support |
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| 21:22.19 | greyscale | or just go back to ubuntu where it worked fine >> |
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| 21:22.59 | greyscale | lol. It doesn't though |
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| 21:23.41 | tralala | greyscale: feel free |
| 21:23.47 | JordiGH | greyscale: Last time I checked, Ubuntu was a tad lacking in the mathematics department. Maybe that's changed recently, though. |
| 21:23.50 | SpComb | yeah, I can't install squirrelmail onto my sarge with php5 on it |
| 21:24.06 | SpComb | wants to remove php5 and install php4 |
| 21:24.07 | ezu | i need to stop a program from loading on start up, where do i go to change it? |
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| 21:24.37 | greyscale | tralala, Well, I might just do that if I can't get vmware to work. Its the main reason for the computers continued existance >> |
| 21:24.46 | JordiGH | ezu: If you're using GNOME or KDE, there are some nice front-ends for manipulating init scripts. Otherwise, you'll have to go to the /etc/init.d and edit stuff yourself. |
| 21:25.05 | ezu | no no gnome or kde, i had just forgotten where it was on the file system. thanks |
| 21:25.19 | cooner750 | Thinking about installing Debian on this new Acer along with windows. I've used the GParted LiveCD in the past to resize the XP NTFS partition. Are there any precautions I can take ahead of time to help make sure I wont have any data loss? |
| 21:25.34 | streuner | ezu: does it have a name? :-) |
| 21:26.07 | SpComb | ezu: I think there's something along the lines of rc-update |
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| 21:26.29 | SpComb | update-rc.d |
| 21:26.42 | tralala | it's update-rc.d but there are better ways for specific things |
| 21:26.50 | JordiGH | ezu: Actually, you probably should go to the appropriate runlevel (/etc/rc?.d) and remove the symlink to whatever is getting executed that you don't want. |
| 21:27.03 | SpComb | JordiGH: that's what update-rc.d does |
| 21:27.21 | JordiGH | SpComb: I feel like such a caveman sometimes. :-) |
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| 21:27.28 | SpComb | I think the right way to do it is to leave the exec in init.d for manual running, and just remove the rc.d stuff |
| 21:27.44 | tralala | many packages have a config file in /etc/defaults that prevents them from starting unconfigured |
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| 21:29.03 | JordiGH | Heh. SpComb said "exec" instead of "binary". How were you brought up? :-) |
| 21:29.19 | JordiGH | I guess they're not all binaries; lots of script too... Hmm. |
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| 21:29.22 | simonrvn | it's not binary data ;) |
| 21:29.32 | SpComb | indeed, it's not a binary |
| 21:29.38 | Mooi | Hello, I installed the Debian testing version but left out the bootloader option because I already have grub. THe installer told me to use /dev/hda7 as the actual root partition and a specific boot image. The boot image works but it says that VFS could not find the partition. I tried the same partition with a customly built kernel and it worked. Would this be a good thing to do in the case? How would I further proceed on installation (Xorg e |
| 21:29.46 | Mooi | im gonna come back in a while now |
| 21:30.11 | SpComb | Mooi: you got cut off at "(Xorg e" |
| 21:30.19 | ezu | JordiGH, na i dont need it in any run levels really, its just gpm. I just want it to be able to run when I need it too and its not allowing X's mouse to work. I can run it easily enough from console |
| 21:30.36 | dos000 | anyone i have an rsync command (to pass the ssh port) and for some reason works fine from the command line but claimsFailed to exec "ssh: No such file or directory" when run from a script " |
| 21:30.38 | cooner750 | Anything I can do to make sure I dont loose data? |
| 21:30.45 | tralala | Mooi: make sure you use the initrd image |
| 21:31.03 | JordiGH | Speaking of init, is there a way to make a grub entry so that it'll only run dhclient when I select it from the grub menu? |
| 21:31.27 | JordiGH | Can I specify runlevels from grub? |
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| 21:31.38 | tralala | ezu: gpm and X can work together just fine |
| 21:31.44 | JordiGH | And is there already a runlevel with the network disabled in Debian? |
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| 21:32.17 | ezu | tralala not on this laptop. i have been playing with it for a while and nothing. I dont need gpm normally so im not worried about it either way. |
| 21:32.18 | tralala | JordiGH: you can start in single user mode |
| 21:32.22 | freeone3000 | And that didn't help. -.- |
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| 21:32.27 | dos000 | anyone used rsync in a bash script here ? |
| 21:32.47 | JordiGH | tralala: Hm. I guess. But then I'd still have to press keys to run X. |
| 21:32.50 | beardy | !anyone |
| 21:32.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:33.11 | tralala | ezu: There is a setting gpmmouse (or such) for X. But if you don't need gpm at all why not uninstall it? |
| 21:33.32 | greyscale | WRYYYYY |
| 21:34.09 | pstickne | what is the vi[m]/nvi command to display current line number? |
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| 21:34.20 | anapivirtua_ | Nighty |
| 21:34.28 | tralala | JordiGH: without any networking there could be all sorts of problems with X. I think you need the loopback interface enabled for smooth operation. |
| 21:34.29 | greyscale | Its still doing the same error. Somebody PLEASE help me here >< |
| 21:35.11 | beardy | JordiGH: Why? Just comment out some lines in your /etc/network/interafces if you don't want the interface brought up. |
| 21:35.12 | tralala | greyscale: you said it works in ubnuntu and you are willing to switch, right? |
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| 21:35.18 | JordiGH | tralala: Ok, fine. I just don't wanna have to wait 20 seconds for DHCP not to find the network when I boot. |
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| 21:35.25 | JordiGH | tralala: But sometimes I do. |
| 21:35.30 | greyscale | I'm here to try something different than ubuntu |
| 21:35.36 | _Atomo64_ | question... when movnig from mysql 4.0 to 4.1 are the databases/users/etc upgraded? or I need to make a backup first and then import the data? |
| 21:35.46 | greyscale | JordiGH, press pause/break |
| 21:35.55 | greyscale | and cancel the DHCP wait |
| 21:35.58 | JordiGH | greyscale: Then I have to watching the computer.. |
| 21:36.02 | JordiGH | to be |
| 21:36.19 | greyscale | oh... Hmm THen whats the matter with not noticing 20 seconds? |
| 21:36.22 | JordiGH | Ah, well. 20 seconds is a good spell to pause and reflect anyways. |
| 21:36.23 | Mooi | SpComb: I am using a network install CD, that was after |
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| 21:36.55 | Mooi | tralala: How? |
| 21:36.55 | tralala | JordiGH: you can have the network interface started manually - this way you won't wait at boot |
| 21:37.12 | greyscale | *sigh* |
| 21:37.21 | Mooi | tralala: I currently have "title Debian\nroot...\nkernel..." |
| 21:37.33 | JordiGH | tralala: Ah, that makes sense. Comment them out, and execute dhclient if I ever plug a network cable to my machine. Thanks! |
| 21:37.38 | freeone3000 | My X displays the wrong resolution, 800x600, always, with a xorg.conf as setup in http://pastebin.ca/141146 |
| 21:38.10 | tralala | JordiGH: no, that's not what I've meant - you just need to remove the line "auto eth0" from the interfaces file |
| 21:38.25 | Mooi | tralala: how do I use the initrd image? |
| 21:38.36 | beardy | JordiGH: 'man 5 interfaces' Remove the interface name from the "auto" line. |
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| 21:38.48 | inlinefour | hi |
| 21:38.54 | JordiGH | tralala: Yes, that's the one I was thinking about. |
| 21:38.58 | tralala | Mooi: by passing the relevant grub parameters as described in man grub |
| 21:39.07 | inlinefour | do you guys recomend a debian book? |
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| 21:39.19 | JordiGH | I wonder.... |
| 21:39.21 | beardy | !tell inlinefour -about reference |
| 21:39.22 | JordiGH | !debian-bible |
| 21:39.24 | freeone3000 | My X displays the wrong resolution, 800x600, always, with a xorg.conf as setup in http://pastebin.ca/141146 . What's up with that? |
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| 21:40.00 | beardy | freeone3000: Choose only the resolution you want. |
| 21:40.21 | inlinefour | page not found |
| 21:40.27 | NameTab | freeone3000: you're depth is set on 1 |
| 21:40.31 | Mooi | tralala: you are not making sense to me. man grub goes with the actual grub (as in /usr/bin/grub). What I am having the problem with is the actual booting grub |
| 21:40.34 | NameTab | and your defaultdepth is set on 24 |
| 21:40.35 | JordiGH | freeone3000: It's also likely that the other resolutions have something wrong; either not enough memory for them or refresh rates out of range. |
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| 21:40.44 | freeone3000 | beardy: Other applications want to fullscreen as well, and not all of them offer 1280x1024 |
| 21:40.48 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i got a problem, my server (remote server) has high loads, and i can't ssh anymore, and now i need to reboot it, when i do ssh -v host, i see "debug1: Connection established." any way to reboot it ? |
| 21:41.02 | Mooi | GOogle helped me :) |
| 21:41.06 | freeone3000 | |DuReX|: shutdown -r now? |
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| 21:41.32 | freeone3000 | NameTab: ...Ohkay, I don't know what that is. |
| 21:41.48 | tralala | Mooi: right, my mistake - install grub-doc and read |
| 21:41.54 | |DuReX| | freeone3000: i can't ssh to it, when i try to ssh, i get debug1: Connection established. etc, but it stops @ debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 |
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| 21:42.03 | beardy | inlinefour: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 21:42.15 | inlinefour | ah thanks |
| 21:42.19 | NameTab | freeone3000: in your "Section Screen" - DefaultDepth is set at 24 |
| 21:42.35 | jjack23 | Does anybody know a way I can capture metadata from an image or photograph to try and see who the original image was made by or where it came from? |
| 21:42.39 | freeone3000 | NameTab: Oh. Thanks. |
| 21:42.41 | NameTab | in SubSection "Display" |
| 21:42.42 | freeone3000 | What the monkey. |
| 21:42.45 | NameTab | Depth is set at 1 |
| 21:43.09 | NameTab | so the modes you give at Depth 1 won't be used because your depth is set at 24 which resolution default is 800 x 600 |
| 21:43.14 | itrebal | i've got an issue of audio not working, i've run alsaconf several times and it would give me an error on attempting to isntall intel8x0 for the sound, but now its not finding any soundcards at all |
| 21:43.20 | freeone3000 | Note to self. Do NOT trust nvidia. |
| 21:43.45 | itrebal | i'm not sure where to start in debugging htis, any ideas? |
| 21:43.47 | NameTab | freeone3000: do not trust any script, wizard or configuration program, always check everything yourself |
| 21:43.51 | nxtw | grub freezes at the boot command after specifying the kernel and initrd. anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:44.03 | inlinefour | are the dvds isos up to date? |
| 21:44.11 | inlinefour | or should i just d/l the very basic install |
| 21:44.15 | NameTab | nxtw: wrong kernel file? |
| 21:44.16 | dos000 | anyone: i am going crazy here ... the rsync same command that works perfect from the command line is failing when put in a bash |
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| 21:44.19 | freeone3000 | NameTab: Thanks. Awesome. |
| 21:44.21 | NameTab | I never use initrd btw |
| 21:44.24 | nxtw | NameTab: how could it be a wrong one? |
| 21:44.25 | NameTab | freeone3000: your welcome :) |
| 21:44.28 | nxtw | it's a fresh install |
| 21:44.29 | nxtw | :/ |
| 21:44.31 | NameTab | nxtw: typo? :) |
| 21:44.36 | nxtw | grub hs completion |
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| 21:44.47 | freeone3000 | inlinefour: If you have fast net, probably go with the CD. I bet the DVDs are realatively up to date, but won't be for things like, say, sid |
| 21:44.49 | nxtw | it tells me Linux-bzImage setup=0x1e00 size=0xwhatever |
| 21:45.10 | inlinefour | hmmm |
| 21:45.12 | |DuReX| | nobody has an id ? :( |
| 21:45.15 | NameTab | what if you try to only boot Linux-bzImage without any extra options? |
| 21:45.24 | inlinefour | i have the netinst |
| 21:45.25 | JordiGH | Woohoo! Octaviz works fine here! |
| 21:45.31 | inlinefour | the dvd version looks like i need 2 isos |
| 21:45.33 | JordiGH | !info octaviz |
| 21:45.41 | dpkg | octaviz: (3D visualization system for Octave), section math, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-27 (sid), Packaged size: 10595 kB, Installed size: 31912 kB |
| 21:45.51 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 21:46.16 | _Atomo64_ | question... when movnig from mysql 4.0 to 4.1 are the databases/users/etc upgraded? or I need to make a backup first and then import the data? |
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| 21:46.30 | JordiGH | VTK meets DFSG, right? It must be, otherwise Octaviz wouldn't be in the main section. |
| 21:46.34 | nxtw | NameTab: same result. |
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| 21:46.57 | nxtw | NameTab: only type root (hd0,0), kernel /vmlinuz-whatever, and boot. then it freezes |
| 21:47.55 | JordiGH | nxtw: Before boot, you need to specify the initrd |
| 21:48.03 | nxtw | same things happen if i do that. |
| 21:48.56 | nxtw | for fun i booted with vga=ask |
| 21:49.00 | nxtw | and it popped up like normal |
| 21:49.06 | nxtw | i specified video type 0 |
| 21:49.13 | nxtw | and then nothing |
| 21:49.25 | nxtw | does the etch kernel do some funky framebuffer stuff? |
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| 21:49.36 | NameTab | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi=off vga=791 |
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| 21:49.47 | NameTab | this is my kernel line in grub |
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| 21:51.14 | nxtw | i'm tempted to install grub/the kernel to a usb stick.. |
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| 21:51.24 | wathek | hello all |
| 21:51.31 | wathek | any one can help me to setup a QoS ? |
| 21:52.08 | NameTab | nxtw: is that even possible? shouldn't usbsticks be mounted before you can access them? and don't you need your kernel for taht? : |
| 21:52.22 | greyscale | Todays lesson: Debian blows. |
| 21:52.23 | |DuReX| | nobody knows how to reboot my server, without really to load bash etc |
| 21:52.25 | beardy | dpkg: manuals is <reply> If you are looking for manuals and guides that focuses on Debian, from a user perspective, the administrators view, and others, this is where they are: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ |
| 21:52.25 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
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| 21:52.38 | Anthro | I am trying to get a newly-installed etch system to send email. I configured exim4 to use a smarthost. I can telnet to port 25 of the smarthost and I get the expected SMTP prompt. The exim4 process just hangs, however, and the log is uninformative. Local mail delivery works fine. I'd appreciate any help with diagnosing the problem, including pointers on how to make the log more verbose. |
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| 21:52.56 | nxtw | NameTab: dunno |
| 21:52.59 | NameTab | beardy: you can't reach your server manually and you can't login remotely through ssh? |
| 21:53.00 | JordiGH | greyscale: .... the competition out of the water? |
| 21:53.26 | nxtw | NameTab: but grub freezes on accessing the nforce sata drives and the kernel won't load right off of the promise ide card. |
| 21:54.01 | JordiGH | OO.o uses myspell, right? |
| 21:54.34 | NameTab | nxtw: well, sorry, beats me |
| 21:54.36 | NameTab | I'm off to bed |
| 21:54.42 | NameTab | g'nite all |
| 21:54.50 | JordiGH | Gnite. :-) |
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| 21:55.20 | NameTab | a what? KLine? |
| 21:55.25 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 21:55.37 | NameTab | :P |
| 21:55.53 | |DuReX| | i really need help guys :( |
| 21:56.04 | |DuReX| | else i need to go to my server to reboot it :( |
| 21:56.10 | |DuReX| | more then 2 hours away from here :( |
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| 21:56.30 | mandingo | durex, what was the problem? joined after your description |
| 21:56.45 | |DuReX| | my server (remote server) has high loads, and i can't ssh anymore, and now i need to reboot it, when i do ssh -v host, i see "debug1: Connection established." any way to reboot it ? |
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| 21:56.52 | cooner750 | Already have a problem |
| 21:56.59 | mandingo | you don't have console? |
| 21:57.03 | |DuReX| | nopz :( |
| 21:57.05 | mandingo | or access to a power port? |
| 21:57.08 | mandingo | well that's silly... |
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| 21:57.11 | |DuReX| | last line it gives @ ssh is debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 |
| 21:57.27 | cooner750 | Booted the GParted LiveCD and selected all of the extra sata modules (this machine has a SATA HD), and it fails booting and says "Fatal error: No screens found". Can anyone help? |
| 21:57.39 | mandingo | well, if you do not have a way to console in or trip the power port and you cannot SSH in, you should fill up your tank and hit the road my friend |
| 21:57.41 | mandingo | sorry :( |
| 21:57.42 | beardy | testing factoid length: |
| 21:57.44 | beardy | !grounding |
| 21:57.44 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 21:58.32 | |DuReX| | it sux :( as it can connect to it, but not open a console it seems :( |
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| 21:58.51 | mandingo | can't issue commands without a CLI |
| 21:59.00 | cooner750 | Got SSH working in Debian |
| 21:59.02 | beardy | |DuReX|: How does it connect? How do you know it does that? |
| 21:59.16 | mandingo | durex: the only other option you have is patience |
| 21:59.30 | mandingo | hope it doesnt lock up and the loads come down |
| 21:59.50 | |DuReX| | i did ssh -v root@host /sbin/reboot |
| 22:00.01 | |DuReX| | and it gives then: debug1: Connection established. |
| 22:00.08 | |DuReX| | so means its connected ? :p |
| 22:00.19 | beardy | |DuReX|: And you allow root to login? On a remote server you can't watch? |
| 22:00.28 | mandingo | seriously, that entire setup is just bad |
| 22:00.30 | mandingo | haha |
| 22:00.30 | |DuReX| | yepz |
| 22:00.39 | cooner750 | can anyone help with GParted LiveCD? |
| 22:00.49 | mandingo | but anyways, a reboot is going to take forever anyways if the server is loaded |
| 22:01.02 | tralala | |DuReX|: check if there is a way to increase the connection timeout and maybe wait for a while |
| 22:01.16 | mandingo | do you have any idea what is causing the load? |
| 22:01.21 | |DuReX| | it doesn't timeout |
| 22:01.27 | Anthro | cooner750: If it's a GParted LiveCD, it has nothing to do with Debian. |
| 22:01.31 | |DuReX| | it just doesn't do a shit anymore then |
| 22:01.34 | |DuReX| | but no timeout |
| 22:01.51 | |DuReX| | mandingo: i guess the xfs filesystem or a gay highpoint driver :( |
| 22:02.15 | mandingo | I cant even imagine a server 2 hours away with no console connection |
| 22:02.18 | mandingo | fuck that |
| 22:02.20 | tralala | |DuReX|: if you have fs problems you might go to see it booting anyhow |
| 22:02.35 | |DuReX| | its not the root fs :) |
| 22:02.39 | |DuReX| | so i can fsck remotely :) |
| 22:02.51 | tralala | |DuReX|: or send someone who's nearby there to reboot it |
| 22:03.01 | mandingo | durex: no you cant because your system is inaccessible :) |
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| 22:03.10 | mandingo | is it colocated? |
| 22:03.33 | beardy | !popcorn |
| 22:03.34 | |DuReX| | @ friend who is away :( |
| 22:03.36 | ravenbird | okay, |DuReX| |
| 22:03.51 | beardy | ravenbird: forget friend who |
| 22:03.52 | ravenbird | i forgot friend who, beardy |
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| 22:04.03 | |DuReX| | i let the ssh command run :) |
| 22:04.07 | |DuReX| | maby it reboots suddenly |
| 22:04.12 | mandingo | it might |
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| 22:04.26 | mandingo | if the command was actually issued to the system |
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| 22:05.26 | AndroidData | hi. I was wondering how I could make a shell script that loops through every directory in /var/www, and then in turn loop through every directory in /var/www/* and then in turn look if the file ".startup" exists and if it does execute it. |
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| 22:08.21 | tuxedup | is anyone else having kde crash when they try and extract a compressed file when they right click it? |
| 22:08.41 | JordiGH | tuxedup: No. That sounds really strange. |
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| 22:09.35 | tralala | tuxedup: what are you running? |
| 22:09.59 | tuxedup | testing, kde 3.5.4 |
| 22:10.15 | AndroidData | hi. I was wondering how I could make a shell script that loops through every directory in /var/www, and then in turn loop through every directory in /var/www/* and then in turn look if the file ".startup" exists and if it does execute it? |
| 22:10.17 | tuxedup | it doesnt bring down anything it just loks up kde and the only wa out is to restart x |
| 22:10.22 | AndroidData | note the question mark now. ^_^ |
| 22:10.28 | tralala | tuxedup: you might want to fill in a but report then |
| 22:10.42 | tralala | *bug |
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| 22:11.11 | tuxedup | would it matter that i could not add any detail to it, I dotn really knowwhat happens |
| 22:11.27 | tralala | AndroidData: what is the reason you need such a script? |
| 22:11.27 | _Atomo64_ | tuxedup: are you sure of that? or it might be that it is uncompressing the data and it makes use of a lot of cpu? |
| 22:11.46 | JordiGH | AndroidData: I should know about that. I think you're best off looking online for a tutorial on bash scripting. There are for and exist bash commands that are relevant here. |
| 22:12.00 | AndroidData | I have applications of users which need to boot up when the server goes on, and shutdown when the server goes down. |
| 22:12.09 | mr_clark | How do I upgrade kde to 3.5.x easily? |
| 22:12.32 | JordiGH | mr_clark: aptitude update && aptitude install kde |
| 22:12.39 | tuxedup | Atomo64_: im possitive, it will work fine mos of the time then i will coem to extract something and kde goes down, the kdesktop part just freezes, i can switch workspaces but all the apps are white |
| 22:12.40 | tralala | AndroidData: you should use /etc/init.d for this purpose, man update-rc.d |
| 22:12.50 | JordiGH | mr_clark: Or apt-get, as you prefer. |
| 22:12.57 | tralala | AndroidData: and see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 22:14.30 | JordiGH | mr_clark: And assuming you have etch sources in your sources.list, of course. =) |
| 22:14.40 | mr_clark | okay. Thats what I thought. Thanks. |
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| 22:16.26 | JordiGH | Heh. Aptitude doesn't like that I'm keeping a mixed system. :-) |
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| 22:17.02 | tralala | JordiGH: man apt_preferences |
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| 22:17.32 | SpComb | AndroidData: you can just use for to loop through the files in a very simple way |
| 22:17.40 | SpComb | eek, I hate scrolling back |
| 22:17.40 | sciboy | Hey guys, my sound has stopped working and i don't know why, my only guess is the sound device from my tv tuner which i recently installed. |
| 22:17.51 | JordiGH | tralala: What I'm supposed to read about there? I'm talking about aptitude complaining about a package that is kept back and it won't update unless I also allow it to update a bunch of things from etch to sid. |
| 22:17.52 | AndroidData | Er. |
| 22:17.56 | AndroidData | Okay, ,this may sound weird. |
| 22:18.07 | AndroidData | But an idiot just deleted /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. |
| 22:18.13 | sciboy | o_o |
| 22:18.16 | AndroidData | ls = command not found. same for dir and everything. |
| 22:18.17 | JordiGH | Yikes. |
| 22:18.23 | sciboy | Wow. |
| 22:18.28 | AndroidData | How the feck am I supposed to see my files? I don't even have the computers psychically here! |
| 22:18.29 | tuxedup | Atomo64_: also it crashes kde before I have even told it to extract the file, I have only right clicked the file and kde crashes. |
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| 22:18.36 | AndroidData | The only thing I'm sure of at the moment is that this dude is fired! |
| 22:18.45 | SpComb | AndroidData: you are more or less forked |
| 22:18.54 | AndroidData | shutdown = command not found. |
| 22:19.04 | AndroidData | Dammit. If I can only shut it down the IT guys might notice |
| 22:19.05 | sciboy | =| |
| 22:19.10 | tralala | JordiGH: this will let you prioritize the branch you're using and/or individual packages and reduce the mess as much as possible |
| 22:19.22 | JordiGH | tralala: I already have that. I have etch preferred. |
| 22:19.41 | sciboy | So anyone here experience with working 2 sound cards in alsa? |
| 22:19.47 | sciboy | One i don't care about. |
| 22:19.56 | sciboy | But for some reason the other has stopped working. |
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| 22:20.33 | tralala | sciboy: stopped after what? |
| 22:20.43 | AndroidData | Wait. |
| 22:20.44 | AndroidData | More news. |
| 22:20.47 | AndroidData | He didn't do del /bin etc. |
| 22:20.59 | AndroidData | He executed the following command under his normal user: sudo rm -rf /* |
| 22:21.03 | AndroidData | Any help? |
| 22:21.20 | SpComb | AndroidData: that will delete all data... |
| 22:21.26 | sciboy | Completely boned. |
| 22:21.28 | JordiGH | AndroidData: I can make it look like an accident, if you want me to. :-) |
| 22:21.29 | SpComb | yep |
| 22:21.49 | AndroidData | Who cares? |
| 22:21.59 | SpComb | the data will still be on disk, but you won't be able to find it easily... |
| 22:21.59 | tralala | AndroidData: you have to reinstall now |
| 22:22.01 | AndroidData | This guy just caused two of our clients to run away. He was editing files of one of them, even! |
| 22:22.04 | dos000 | #$%@#@#@# to #$%#$%@$# bash |
| 22:22.06 | AndroidData | Yes. Yes I do think so. |
| 22:22.14 | sciboy | tralala, I don't know, for some reason it just stopped. I got on-board sound, it's intel8x0 and i recently installed a tv tuner with its own sound device. |
| 22:22.14 | AndroidData | I'm remotely connected through SSH. How do I reinstall? |
| 22:22.16 | SpComb | AndroidData: was he an employee? Wow... |
| 22:22.17 | JordiGH | AndroidData: Reinstall. Salvage the data you can. :-/ |
| 22:22.24 | AndroidData | What data? |
| 22:22.30 | sciboy | tralala, Before the on-board sound would occasionally not work, now it just aint happening. |
| 22:22.36 | JordiGH | AndroidData: Didn't you say this was a server? Don't users have data on it? |
| 22:22.40 | AndroidData | I can see this going to bash. |
| 22:22.45 | azeem | AndroidData: reinstall from scratch or (if available) backups |
| 22:22.45 | sciboy | tralala, This is 1 week after installing the tv tuner. |
| 22:22.51 | AndroidData | It was a new server. |
| 22:23.01 | AndroidData | Well. |
| 22:23.04 | SpComb | so you don't have any important data on it? |
| 22:23.06 | AndroidData | A few years old. Just refreshed. |
| 22:23.15 | AndroidData | I didn't, and none of the clients did, thank god. |
| 22:23.15 | sciboy | AndroidData, Time for a phone call i reckon. |
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| 22:23.24 | AndroidData | Already sent the message to the boss. |
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| 22:23.39 | Csabo2 | hey guys, i need to install NPTL in order to get zimbra to work, and i'm not having any luck finding it on apt |
| 22:23.43 | Csabo2 | any help would be great |
| 22:23.54 | AndroidData | Haha. |
| 22:23.55 | AndroidData | I teased him. |
| 22:24.04 | AndroidData | He runs an IRC server for his dad on it, and his dad hates if it goes down. |
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| 22:25.13 | SpComb | hmm? |
| 22:25.14 | mandingo | my dad cant spell irc... |
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| 22:25.15 | azeem | Csabo2: apt-get install libc6-686 |
| 22:25.15 | Csabo2 | pretty dumb dad i would say |
| 22:25.15 | SpComb | my dad's used irssi once |
| 22:25.15 | Csabo2 | azeem than you man |
| 22:25.16 | Csabo2 | my dad would says whats an irc |
| 22:25.16 | tralala | sciboy: there could be an audio module loaded for the tv tuner that messes up with the sound card. Something like tvaudio, or btaudio or such. |
| 22:25.17 | JordiGH | !info xlibs-static-dev |
| 22:25.17 | dpkg | xlibs-static-dev: (transitional metapackage), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.23 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 22:25.17 | Csabo2 | azeem its not finding it :( |
| 22:25.18 | SpComb | AndroidData: boot into a installer, wipe, start again |
| 22:25.18 | sciboy | tralala, Is there a blacklist i can play with? |
| 22:25.18 | Csabo2 | !info NPTL |
| 22:25.19 | Csabo2 | orly |
| 22:25.26 | JordiGH | Hmm... |
| 22:25.28 | Csabo2 | azeem it says i allready have it installed |
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| 22:25.58 | AndroidData | oh look. |
| 22:26.02 | AndroidData | The deletion didn't complete. |
| 22:26.02 | azeem | Csabo2: you're fine hten |
| 22:26.03 | tralala | sciboy: first try to manually locate the problem (lsmod, rmmod, insmod, etc) and if this is the reason - /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 22:26.05 | dos000 | anyone know where i can do a pastebin ? |
| 22:26.14 | AndroidData | After it deleted the "rm" file it stopped. |
| 22:26.14 | JordiGH | !pastebin |
| 22:26.14 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 22:26.14 | Csabo2 | azeem no im not |
| 22:26.25 | Csabo2 | because the install script for zimbra says its not installed |
| 22:26.39 | tralala | AndroidData: I doubt it |
| 22:26.39 | JordiGH | AndroidData: Really? That's strange. I thought that after rm was loaded into ram, it didn't care what was on the disk anymore. |
| 22:26.46 | azeem | Csabo2: and libc6-i686 ? |
| 22:26.53 | Csabo2 | didnt try that |
| 22:27.05 | Csabo2 | k thats installing |
| 22:27.19 | mandingo | AndroidData: or maybe he hit CTRL-C before it was done? |
| 22:27.20 | sciboy | tralala, I can't see any audio drivers... |
| 22:27.29 | Csabo2 | shit, NPTL is still missing |
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| 22:27.40 | sciboy | tralala, Atleast, any out of the ordernary |
| 22:27.41 | AndroidData | Is there any way to show a directory listing without ls or cd? |
| 22:27.55 | sciboy | tralala, Ordinary* |
| 22:28.00 | mandingo | du |
| 22:28.02 | sciboy | tralala, Let me pastebin the lsmod |
| 22:28.04 | JordiGH | cd is a file? I thought it was a built-in bash command. |
| 22:28.07 | azeem | AndroidData: not if everything else is gone from /bin |
| 22:28.07 | AndroidData | that command is gone |
| 22:28.13 | AndroidData | actually |
| 22:28.18 | AndroidData | everything after "r" si not gone |
| 22:28.22 | dos000 | i am trying to pass a sting in quotes to rsync ... anyone can take a look at this http://pastebin.ca/141289 |
| 22:28.27 | azeem | AndroidData: boot a rescue system |
| 22:28.49 | azeem | AndroidData: or try bash tab-completion |
| 22:28.52 | sciboy | tralala, http://pastebin.ca/141293 |
| 22:29.32 | sciboy | tralala, Remember, intel8x0 is my onboard, the sound device i want. |
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| 22:30.14 | JordiGH | AndroidData: So why the heck did that guy run that command? |
| 22:30.27 | tralala | sciboy: boy, you sure have some modules loaded! |
| 22:30.40 | sciboy | tralala, I'm too lazy to prune. =P |
| 22:30.50 | sciboy | tralala, That and i got a fair share of devices. |
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| 22:32.10 | sciboy | tralala, http://pastebin.ca/141296 |
| 22:32.12 | tralala | sciboy: so what's your tuner module/model? |
| 22:32.14 | sciboy | tralala, lspci |
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| 22:33.01 | sciboy | tralala, PCTV, i'm using the brooktree drivers. |
| 22:33.59 | sciboy | tralala, Pinnacle PCTV |
| 22:34.55 | sciboy | No idea what's wrong. |
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| 22:36.49 | sciboy | The issue is though, Alsa giving me no device errors. |
| 22:37.18 | tralala | sciboy: I can't see a tv driver in the list |
| 22:37.22 | JordiGH | Hmm... A kernel is an operating system, apparently: http://www.topology.org/linux/lingl.html |
| 22:37.47 | JordiGH | Can Linux by itself without any GNU tools (never mind how you would compile it to begin with) do much of anything? |
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| 22:38.16 | tralala | JordiGH: linux itself can, but you can't do much with it |
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| 22:38.33 | azeem | JordiGH: yes, there are some embedded ulibc/busybox systems |
| 22:38.45 | simonrvn | um, that's not kernel only |
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| 22:38.54 | CHodapp | who said kernel only? |
| 22:38.59 | simonrvn | linux |
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| 22:39.08 | sciboy | tralala, True, tv player says no such device. |
| 22:39.14 | CHodapp | he said no GNU tools |
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| 22:39.23 | tralala | sciboy: what does alsamixer say? |
| 22:39.28 | simonrvn | "can Linux by itself" |
| 22:39.38 | sciboy | tralala, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 22:40.45 | JordiGH | azeem: The claim in http://www.topology.org/linux/lingl.html is that the Linux kernel by itself constitutes an operating system and GNU/Linux is a development system. |
| 22:41.11 | azeem | JordiGH: don't believe everything you read on the internet :) |
| 22:41.34 | simonrvn | azeem: hehe |
| 22:41.42 | simonrvn | azeem++ |
| 22:41.59 | sciboy | JordiGH, Operating system in the sense it handles devices. |
| 22:42.05 | JordiGH | azeem: Yeah, I think the author is confused. He also thinks the GPL means all derivative works have to be given away gratis... But it's important to read dissenting opinions, lest one becomes fanatic. |
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| 22:42.09 | tralala | JordiGH: I guess people define OS differently |
| 22:42.52 | tralala | JordiGH: are you reading a study order by Mircrosoft (R)? |
| 22:42.53 | sciboy | Yup, when he refers to Linux as an OS, he means bare bones actually let the computer boot thing. |
| 22:43.08 | CHodapp | JordiGH, where does the GPL not say that? |
| 22:43.21 | tralala | *ordered |
| 22:43.42 | tralala | sciboy: try to reload snd-intel8x0 |
| 22:44.16 | sciboy | tralala, WTF |
| 22:44.38 | sciboy | Setting up ALSA...warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1236: No soundcards found...'...Invalid card number. |
| 22:44.39 | sciboy | Usage: amixer <options> [command] |
| 22:44.51 | JordiGH | CHodapp: The GPL never says anything about how much money you should pay for the software covered by it. |
| 22:44.54 | tralala | sciboy: modprobe -r snd-intel8x0; modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 22:45.05 | sciboy | tralala, Already done. |
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| 22:45.16 | tralala | sciboy: and still the same? |
| 22:45.21 | sciboy | tralala, It just spewed lots of amixer help stuff. |
| 22:45.28 | sciboy | tralala, and the above two lines. |
| 22:45.48 | tralala | sciboy: right... |
| 22:45.50 | JordiGH | tralala: No, not M$ site. Just an rms dissenter. There are lots of those. :-) |
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| 22:46.33 | tralala | JordiGH: GPL doesn't actually stop anybody from selling any GPL-ed software |
| 22:46.42 | JordiGH | tralala: I'm aware. :-) |
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| 22:47.06 | JordiGH | The FSF sells a complete GNU system for 4000 USD, if memory serves. |
| 22:47.20 | tralala | so everybody who "misunderstands" it is probably misunderstanding it on purpose. |
| 22:47.46 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 22:47.52 | cooner750 | I got SMB working so my Debian machine shows up on the Windows Network, but when I try to access it from the Windows machine here it asks for a user and pass and anything I enter dosen't work. Help? |
| 22:47.52 | JordiGH | "The fact that so many people erroneously call linux gnu/linux shows that bullying works. The US American bully has forced the majority of people in the world to think that they invented a piece of software that was actually invented by a European. Once again the world bows to the US American bully. It is no coincidence that the gnu mascot looks like a bull. |
| 22:47.52 | JordiGH | " |
| 22:48.05 | JordiGH | RMS IS AN EVIL YANK! |
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| 22:48.16 | sciboy | HOMG. D= |
| 22:48.24 | sciboy | I thought he was a tree hugging hippy! |
| 22:48.28 | sciboy | Now i know better. |
| 22:48.33 | vulture | JordiGH: how's that work then? if I buy it for 4k, the licensing allows me to give it to anyone else at no charge under the same license conditions, yes? |
| 22:48.38 | cooner750 | I think I know the problem. the problem must be with /etc/hosts on the Debian machine |
| 22:48.52 | cooner750 | It says at the top of the Windows login window "Connect to localhost.localdomain" |
| 22:48.58 | sciboy | tralala, So.... It's not finding the device, at all. |
| 22:49.13 | tralala | sciboy: does dmesg give any more details |
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| 22:49.49 | JordiGH | vulture: Yes, of course. |
| 22:50.03 | JordiGH | vulture: You buy a copy which you can give away to your friends. |
| 22:50.30 | waspius | does anyone know the command that cleans up your system from unneeded files??i think it goes something like sudo apt-get autocleanup or something |
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| 22:50.43 | JordiGH | vulture: In practice, a lot of proprietary software already works like this, is quite profitable, but it's called "piracy". :-) |
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| 22:51.53 | sciboy | waspius, apt-get autoclean |
| 22:52.02 | waspius | thanx |
| 22:52.04 | sciboy | waspius, That'll erase old download deb files. |
| 22:52.15 | freeone3000 | apt-get clean will do that. -.- |
| 22:52.16 | sciboy | downloaded* |
| 22:52.22 | waspius | is there any other way that will erase broken apps etc? |
| 22:52.39 | freeone3000 | Users. |
| 22:52.44 | sciboy | freeone3000, Yeah, and take out the latest while it's at it; |
| 22:52.59 | tralala | sciboy: well that suggest an IRQ conflict or BIOS misconfiguration |
| 22:53.02 | Pryon | vulture: It works because you probably wouldn't pursue such a solution if there was a readily-available product on the market. You're paying to have a specific program/set of programs written to solve a particular problem. You're not interested in the product as such, just that it does what you want and was perviously unavailable. Software as a service. |
| 22:53.05 | SpComb | https://agia.fsf.org/order/ <-- the $5000 gnu distribution |
| 22:53.06 | freeone3000 | Define broken in a way that is both easily identifiable by a computer and applies to all applications. |
| 22:53.17 | sciboy | tralala, IRQ Conflict? |
| 22:53.27 | sciboy | tralala, I'll check the bios next time i restart. |
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| 22:54.26 | albacker|jasht | guys how can i earease re-w CDs ? |
| 22:54.28 | LinuxNewbie | Is there a way to export Firefox bookmarks to Links? |
| 22:54.36 | tralala | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:06.0 disabled |
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| 22:54.45 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 22:54.58 | tralala | sciboy: I read this as "the interrupt is already taken" or "it's off from BIOS" |
| 22:55.16 | sciboy | Hmmmm |
| 22:55.20 | LinuxNewbie | any links users? |
| 22:55.36 | vulture | Pryon: If each product was a tailored solution, and you paid your 4k for the "Solution" that'd be one thing. But if it's the same product to everyone, where it's legal & acceptable for everynoe but the first person to not pay for it, the analogy doesn't really hold |
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| 22:56.10 | tralala | LinuxNewbie: just ask |
| 22:56.19 | azeem | he did already |
| 22:56.23 | LinuxNewbie | Is there a way to export Firefox bookmarks to Links? |
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| 22:56.27 | sciboy | tralala, Okay i'll restart now and check. |
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| 22:56.32 | nuambenzina | apt-get install (what) to install xine &win32codesc and mplayer? |
| 22:56.41 | vulture | JordiGH: It works for proprietary software because there's still some incentive to pay for it - with Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" or a company's desire not to be prosecuted for breeching license agreements.. in this case there is no incentive (except the small amount of time it'd take to find a copy of the product from anyone else who already has it) |
| 22:56.45 | Tallu | Hmm. What's the best way to make backups of databases on a debian system.. I need to have them transfered to a non-unix system. I was thinking of writing a simple script to rar everything up and ftp to the server with the date attached. Are there better ways though? |
| 22:56.58 | LinuxNewbie | I want to use Links... |
| 22:57.00 | vulture | the first sale make sense, the rest may as well be donations |
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| 22:57.19 | Pryon | vulture: If a significant number of people would want to use the product, then it will probably already be available. |
| 22:57.37 | vulture | Pryon: not sure what you mean or how that relates |
| 22:57.44 | tralala | LinuxNewbie: I don't think you will find a ready-to-use tool for this but I don't think it's going to be too difficult to write a script to convert the bookmarks. |
| 22:58.09 | LinuxNewbie | I don't know how to... |
| 22:58.26 | LinuxNewbie | The links bookmark file comes in as Chinese characters |
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| 22:59.07 | kimo | Hi, does anyone know if samba is capable of being BDC to Win2003 AD ? |
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| 23:00.19 | Pryon | vulture: If I can afford to pay for a solution and I need that solution, it probably doesn't matter if others can use it too. If I have a problem and no solution, then I'm screwed, even though nobody else has the solution either. |
| 23:00.29 | LinuxNewbie | ooh, got it working |
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| 23:00.57 | wireddd | kimo, I don't think that it can yet |
| 23:01.11 | tralala | LinuxNewbie: you are (were) welcome |
| 23:01.21 | kimo | wireddd: uh .. oops |
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| 23:01.43 | LinuxHelp | anyway, so what I wanted to do, was to mount (encfs) /home/misha automatically on logon using the password I type into gdm. I've created the encrypted dir, installed libpam-encfs, not really sure what to do next |
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| 23:02.34 | wireddd | kimo, you can join a samba machine as a domain member, but I don't think you can use it as a dc |
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| 23:02.51 | kimo | wireddd: it can be PDC |
| 23:03.20 | sciboy | tralala, Nothing, why do i get the feeling that downgrading my kernel is going to make everything magically start working again? |
| 23:03.27 | JordiGH | vulture: There's other incentives to pay for free software. Tech support is one of them, and this is largely how Red Hat operates. Promoting the quality of free software is another. |
| 23:03.28 | wireddd | kimo, well then I am behind the times |
| 23:03.40 | kimo | :) |
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| 23:04.50 | cooner750 | Does anyone here have any idea why proftpd could be running so slow? |
| 23:05.10 | sciboy | cooner750, Standalone or Inted? |
| 23:05.13 | sciboy | Inetd* |
| 23:05.17 | JordiGH | vulture: And every so once in a while a Mark Shuttleworth comes along with money coming out of his butt and kindness out of his heart. :-) |
| 23:05.35 | cooner750 | sciboy: I forget, can I run a command to tell? |
| 23:05.38 | tralala | sciboy: pastebin the whole dmesg output |
| 23:06.19 | tralala | cooner750: grep proftp /etc/inetd.conf |
| 23:07.46 | sciboy | tralala, http://pastebin.ca/141343 |
| 23:07.49 | vulture | JordiGH: right - so you're selling tech support, not software. (or you're giving donations, not paying for software - in which case the "price" doesn't make much sense - I can grab this 4000 product from anywhere I like for $0, and then donate any amount I like to anyone) |
| 23:07.59 | cooner750 | tralala: It states: #<off># ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 23:08.27 | vulture | so my question is: what's the 4000 for? is it for support that one wouldn't otherwise get? or just a predefined donation amount? |
| 23:08.27 | tralala | cooner750: so you're not running it from inetd |
| 23:08.37 | jetscreamer | hey so what's the gtk deal in sid |
| 23:08.41 | cooner750 | Any ideas why it's so slow? |
| 23:08.57 | cooner750 | it takes it forever to change directories and upload/download files and it's on a 2.2Ghz Athlon |
| 23:09.13 | jetscreamer | yeah you can be a pdc in samba |
| 23:09.19 | jetscreamer | i saw a bdc howto |
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| 23:09.24 | vulture | Pryon: sure - but if you have the problem & you can get the solution for free, what's your motivation to pay for it? In the case of piracy the motivation is not to be sued. |
| 23:09.26 | jetscreamer | doesn't sound ad'ish to me though |
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| 23:09.41 | jetscreamer | but i think it works in ad also |
| 23:09.45 | JordiGH | vulture: Well, you can go and get a box with CDs inside it and RedHat's logo on it... it certainly looks like you're buying the software. I think the FSF will also ship you GNU CDs custom-made for whatever architecture(s) you tell them when you pay the 4000 USD. |
| 23:09.49 | cooner750 | Takes it forever to connect too |
| 23:10.35 | JordiGH | vulture: I suppose yes, you'd be paying for the service of having them work and making sure their software works on your machines. Usually the "deluxe GNU edition", the one worth 4000, is intended for massive site-wide installations, as I understand it. |
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| 23:11.10 | dig | help, please tell me someone how I can change the Screensize? I didn't activate 1024x800 on install and now it doesn't appear in the menus within kde or gnome for differen screensizes |
| 23:11.49 | cooner750 | dig: Xfree86 or Xorg? |
| 23:12.07 | dig | I am not sure |
| 23:12.14 | cooner750 | dig: try (as root?) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:12.28 | dig | thanks I will try |
| 23:12.38 | cooner750 | That should run you through the general hardware and monitor setup again |
| 23:12.40 | cooner750 | and then restart |
| 23:12.40 | waspius | i want to play live radio from the internet...but when i click on the file which supports windows media player i get the error firefox does not know how to open this address because protocol (mms) is not associated with any program |
| 23:12.47 | pantalaimon | can you indicate me a program to see the installed drivers? |
| 23:12.51 | tonsofpcs | how do I check what files a package from apt installs? |
| 23:13.08 | JordiGH | vulture: Also, remember, corporations *like* spending money, and governments give money when you ask for lots of it, but usually no when you ask for a little. :-) |
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| 23:13.29 | petemc | pantalaimon: in use, or available? |
| 23:13.45 | cooner750 | dig: it may help to know (if you have a CRT monitor) the Horizontal and Vertical refresh rates, look on the brand's website for a product spec. manual |
| 23:13.59 | pantalaimon | petemc, in use, but both would be good too |
| 23:14.22 | petemc | pantalaimon: lsmod, modprobe -l |
| 23:14.53 | tralala | sciboy: I have no idea, man. This computer is so stuffed that I suspect a conflict with some other device. |
| 23:15.02 | pantalaimon | petemc, thanks |
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| 23:15.27 | sciboy | tralala, I am thinking that either a downgrade or waiting out for an upgrade will fix this. |
| 23:16.09 | sciboy | tralala, Considering the problem popped out of no where this week i suspect i just hit dist-upgrade at a bad time. |
| 23:16.53 | Jebiveter | hi, everyone! Q: is there an "amd64 testing/etch" mirror anywhere? I can't find it... :( |
| 23:17.28 | azeem | Jebiveter: just use any mirror |
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| 23:18.37 | sciboy | tralala, Thank you for your help. =) |
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| 23:19.06 | Jebiveter | azeem: sure, I would but how do I specify I want amd64 packages? |
| 23:19.10 | bulio| | I installed mysql-server-4.1 on sarge |
| 23:19.18 | bulio| | but now how do I make it run so I can install joomla? |
| 23:19.21 | jetscreamer | waspius: the mplayerand the vlc plugins |
| 23:19.24 | tralala | sciboy: for the attempt anyhow :) |
| 23:19.31 | jetscreamer | hey so what's the gtk deal in sid |
| 23:19.36 | JordiGH | cooner750: I just had refresh rate problems with an LCD monitor. Weird. :-/ |
| 23:19.48 | Jebiveter | until now I had "mirror.com/debian-amd64/ etch main" |
| 23:19.55 | sciboy | tralala, Nah, you helped me isolate the issue. Thanks. |
| 23:20.09 | cooner750 | JordiGH: Refresh rate problems with an LCD? |
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| 23:20.28 | tralala | sciboy: sure |
| 23:20.32 | azeem | Jebiveter: you cannot specify that, you need to install amd64 |
| 23:20.35 | waspius | jetscreamer: so should i install something?i have vlc and mplayer |
| 23:20.37 | JordiGH | cooner750: X refused to use a certain resolution until I messed around with refresh rates in xorg.conf |
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| 23:20.43 | JordiGH | cooner750: On an LCD, yes. |
| 23:20.53 | azeem | Jebiveter: i.e. when you install your Debian system, you need to install from an amd64 ISO |
| 23:20.59 | Jebiveter | azeem: I have it installed |
| 23:21.09 | cooner750 | Refresh rates dont matter on an LCD, however? That is unless it detects what it's set to and displays the "Optimal Resolution is " message |
| 23:21.10 | azeem | Jebiveter: then you do not need to specify anything |
| 23:21.19 | jetscreamer | waspius: they're plugins for ff/mozilla/netscape... yeah you have to apt-get them... contrib or non-free maybe... apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 23:21.26 | azeem | Jebiveter: are you encountering an error when using apt-get? |
| 23:21.35 | Jebiveter | azeem: tnx, I'll try it |
| 23:21.48 | JordiGH | cooner750: Then why would X give "hsync out of range" and such messages? |
| 23:21.52 | waspius | jetscreamer: but what exactly will i look for |
| 23:21.53 | jetscreamer | waspius: get both :) |
| 23:21.55 | Morydd | I've got a compaq hnw-100 wireless card in my laptop and a fresh debian install, anyone able to help me get it running? |
| 23:21.56 | cooner750 | Not sure... |
| 23:22.28 | bulio| | I installed mysql-server-4.1 on sarge |
| 23:22.28 | waspius | jetscreamer: its ok..it works in mplayer :) |
| 23:22.29 | bulio| | but now how do I make it run so I can install joomla? |
| 23:22.41 | jetscreamer | waspius: apt-cache search mplayer |grep -i plugin then the same for the vlc |
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| 23:23.28 | waspius | jetscreamer: apt-cashe not found:( |
| 23:23.37 | jetscreamer | waspius: apt-cache search mplayer |grep -i plugin then the same for the vlc |
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| 23:23.59 | jetscreamer | cache |
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| 23:24.07 | waspius | yeah oops |
| 23:24.37 | jetscreamer | ff has a find plugins button |
| 23:24.45 | jetscreamer | find&install |
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| 23:25.50 | Jebiveter | azeem: which should I use: testing or etch? they should be the same, right? |
| 23:25.58 | azeem | yes |
| 23:26.12 | azeem | Jebiveter: depends on whether you want to stay with etch or keep using testing when etch releases |
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| 23:26.52 | Cooner750 | Ah, much better. XChat for Windows |
| 23:27.22 | Jebiveter | azeem: understood, tnx |
| 23:30.52 | jetscreamer | you want to get the free version |
| 23:30.57 | jetscreamer | not the pay |
| 23:31.02 | jetscreamer | silverex.org |
| 23:31.27 | jetscreamer | ^xchat |
| 23:31.50 | JordiGH | Xchat for Windows? But it's *X*Chat... ah, never mind. |
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| 23:32.48 | Webuser | Hello. |
| 23:32.57 | jetscreamer | better than mirc |
| 23:33.06 | Webuser | Is it OK to talk on my CELLULAR PHONE after I come out of the morning shower? |
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| 23:33.25 | JordiGH | Is there an X server for Windows? I guess there must be. |
| 23:33.32 | RichiH | Webuser: it's not as if we could stop you |
| 23:33.35 | JordiGH | XWin or something, no doubt. |
| 23:33.35 | nxtw | theres a few |
| 23:33.49 | Cooner750 | I am using this: http://xchat.org/windows/ |
| 23:33.52 | Cooner750 | works fine.... |
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| 23:33.59 | Webuser | Yes, there is a little water dripping off my hair. |
| 23:34.01 | Cooner750 | of course it's the trial thing |
| 23:34.06 | Webuser | The insides of my ears are a bit wet. |
| 23:34.24 | Cooner750 | brb |
| 23:34.30 | nxtw | Webuser: that's impossible |
| 23:34.34 | nxtw | Webuser: it's not the morning |
| 23:34.41 | bulio| | ugh |
| 23:34.44 | Hoxzer | does debian automatically allow ssh connection trought internet? |
| 23:34.50 | Webuser | SOME WATER in the speaker could short out the phone and DAMAGE it? |
| 23:35.02 | Hoxzer | as now it works locally alright but I get connection refused from outside |
| 23:35.05 | Webuser | Are standard phones REALLY so sensitive to water? |
| 23:35.06 | JordiGH | Webuser: Are you in the wrong channel? |
| 23:35.11 | nxtw | i used a phone in the shower once |
| 23:35.17 | JordiGH | Webuser: Or are you quoting Zippy the pinhead? |
| 23:35.19 | nxtw | it didn't break |
| 23:35.26 | nxtw | it just stopped working properly... it was hard to hear |
| 23:35.36 | bws42 | dropped my phone in the toilet... worked fine after drying |
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| 23:36.08 | Cooner750 | Ok |
| 23:36.12 | Webuser | STANDARD phones offer ZERO water resistancy? |
| 23:36.34 | freeone3000 | Your mom has zero water resistancy. -.- |
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| 23:37.52 | Morydd | is there a list of which modules are compiled into the kernel that installs with the debian install CD? |
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| 23:38.09 | nimurphy | how do i remove non-packaged software? |
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| 23:39.01 | nimurphy | * somethings at someone |
| 23:39.17 | nimurphy | \* blah |
| 23:39.31 | nimurphy | right, how to you do a * message? |
| 23:39.41 | Kvant | /me demonstrates |
| 23:39.55 | nimurphy | and my first question re deleting non-packaged software |
| 23:40.05 | nimurphy | cool |
| 23:40.17 | nimurphy | \me somethings at someone |
| 23:40.24 | bws42 | lol |
| 23:40.24 | nimurphy | whatever |
| 23:40.27 | bws42 | wrong slash |
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| 23:40.44 | nimurphy | ah, kvant used an escape thingy then |
| 23:40.52 | bws42 | yes |
| 23:40.58 | bws42 | /me |
| 23:41.03 | bws42 | ctrl + enter in mIRC :P |
| 23:41.11 | bws42 | congrats! |
| 23:42.09 | nimurphy | well, gosh, this is just such a happy day for me. i'd like to thank god, my parents, kvant, bws42.... |
| 23:42.55 | nimurphy | seriously though, if you want to remove software you built yourself, do you just have to delete all signs of it manually? |
| 23:43.20 | Hoxzer | aargh |
| 23:43.34 | ootput | irc nublets |
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| 23:44.04 | Morydd | ... after minutes of pure awesome... |
| 23:44.16 | jetscreamer | hey so what's the gtk deal in sid |
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| 23:44.30 | ootput | !info gtk deal |
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| 23:44.44 | JordiGH | Heh. |
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| 23:45.04 | jetscreamer | hey so what's the deal on the gtk bork in sid |
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| 23:46.24 | waspius | jetscreamer: i downloaded some skins for mplayer do u know how i use them? |
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| 23:46.58 | Webuser | The prevalancy of COMPLETELY NON WATER RESISTANT cellular phones in the marketplace today can be blamed SQUARELY UPON the cheap, dirty faces of the cheap, dirty companies proliferating this marketplace. |
| 23:47.06 | waspius | ok found it |
| 23:47.12 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.38 | Webuser | ONE MICRODROPLET of WATER, even MOISTURE, can IRREPAIRABLY damage the PRODUCT these manufacturers sell off to you. |
| 23:48.48 | sussudio | shut the fuck up, Webuser. |
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| 23:49.58 | SpCombII | hmm, I wonder what kind of interesting things happen when I set my clock back 5 hours |
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| 23:50.09 | sussudio | ... |
| 23:50.43 | ootput | there's spam, then there's spim |
| 23:50.48 | Webuser | ONE manucturer refuses to release any product without a water resistancy rating of at least 65%. |
| 23:50.52 | ootput | what's the irc equivalent? |
| 23:51.10 | ootput | spirc? |
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| 23:51.15 | sussudio | RichiH: make Webuser go away. |
| 23:51.24 | Hoxzer | should ethereal show something if my ssh connection gets refused because of it? |
| 23:51.32 | Hoxzer | *it = server |
| 23:52.01 | ootput | Hoxzer: made less sense |
| 23:52.19 | Morydd | I've got a compaq hnw-100 wireless card in my laptop and a fresh debian install, anyone able to help me get it running? |
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| 23:52.43 | Hoxzer | ootput: I have a debian system with sshd installed I can easily get ssh connection trough lan but when I try to connect via internet I get connection refused |
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| 23:53.01 | Webuser | I don't know about you folks. |
| 23:53.02 | ootput | Morydd: either Larr Page, or Sergey Brin |
| 23:53.07 | ootput | Morydd: Larry |
| 23:53.33 | Webuser | But I have a life to live that does not revolve around keeping every microdroplet of water from finding its way near my bloody CELLULAR PHONE. |
| 23:53.34 | Hoxzer | ootput: I'm trying to sniff the connection with ethereal but seems like it doesn't show it. Does that mean the connection doesn't even reach to the server? |
| 23:53.40 | ootput | Hoxzer: you'd need to punch holes through your gateway's firewall, and portforward |
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| 23:53.55 | sussudio | !ops Webuser is either a bot or an idiot, keeps spewing off-topic crap |
| 23:53.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: sussudio complains about: Webuser is either a bot or an idiot, keeps spewing off-topic crap |
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| 23:54.18 | Hoxzer | ootput: yeah, I already did |
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| 23:54.33 | ootput | Hoxzer: try getting more verbose output |
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| 23:54.40 | sussudio | a bot with auto-rejoin, apparently |
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