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| 00:00.25 | pantalaimon | anyone has any ideia about why youtube video a little faster then its sound here sometimes? |
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| 00:00.54 | pantalaimon | video is*.... |
| 00:01.05 | ootput | video is what? |
| 00:01.24 | pantalaimon | the video is a little faster then the sound |
| 00:01.41 | pantalaimon | but this is not always |
| 00:02.27 | pantalaimon | than* :p |
| 00:02.36 | ootput | if i had to hazard guess, i'd say that the audio bitrate used is the problem |
| 00:02.45 | ootput | +a |
| 00:03.32 | ootput | it's up to whoever upload the file |
| 00:03.32 | pantalaimon | ootput, and how can i change this? |
| 00:04.20 | pantalaimon | ootput, what is this oktosite olemoudi... you said? |
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| 00:04.50 | CHodapp | WHO SAID MY NAME |
| 00:04.56 | Shadowcat | !caps |
| 00:04.57 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put an underscore( "_" )_ on both sides of them. |
| 00:05.11 | BarryAllen | ChakRa, hehehe why, u want royallits? |
| 00:05.12 | BarryAllen | :P |
| 00:05.21 | Hoxzer | guys, you need to help me with my sshd now |
| 00:05.28 | Hoxzer | it is 3 a.m here |
| 00:05.28 | CHodapp | _who_ said_ _my_ _name_ |
| 00:05.31 | Shadowcat | we need to help you? |
| 00:05.36 | Hoxzer | :/ yeah |
| 00:05.48 | Shadowcat | please explain why I need to help you with ssh? |
| 00:05.50 | ootput | pantalaimon: what's oktosite olemoudi? |
| 00:06.06 | OleMoudi | ? |
| 00:06.07 | Hoxzer | Shadowcat: I cannot get connection throught internet but local ones work fine :( |
| 00:06.07 | Duelist | Hoxzer: I missed the original problem |
| 00:06.19 | Shadowcat | Hoxzer: again, I still don't _need_ to help you |
| 00:06.31 | Duelist | Hoxzer: "local ones"? |
| 00:06.39 | pantalaimon | ootput, o dont know... it appeared right below what you said |
| 00:06.43 | ootput | Hoxzer: hosts.allow/deny |
| 00:06.43 | Shadowcat | he's behind a router and needs to fix his port forwarding |
| 00:06.52 | Duelist | could be |
| 00:07.04 | Duelist | Hoxzer: what all do Internet connections pass through on their way out? |
| 00:07.11 | Duelist | or in, as the case may be. |
| 00:07.19 | Shadowcat | 192.168.0.1 would be my guess |
| 00:07.23 | Hoxzer | ootput: where is that to be found? |
| 00:07.24 | ootput | Shadowcat: that's what i suggested a while ago |
| 00:07.28 | Duelist | I'm referring to devices |
| 00:07.28 | pantalaimon | ootput, <ootput> it's up to whoever upload the file |
| 00:07.28 | pantalaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.14 | Duelist | Hoxzer: and what type of connection? |
| 00:08.15 | oKtosiTe | pantalaimon: yeeeeeeesss? |
| 00:08.16 | Duelist | through which ISP? |
| 00:08.17 | ootput | Hoxzer: man either |
| 00:08.32 | pantalaimon | oKtosiTe, uhm? |
| 00:08.43 | oKtosiTe | pantalaimon: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:08.44 | Hoxzer | ootput: there was no man page for it :/ |
| 00:08.45 | ootput | pantalaimon: you've triggered their hilight events |
| 00:08.54 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 00:08.59 | Shadowcat | Hoxzer: do you even know what a router is? |
| 00:09.13 | Duelist | oKtosiTe: I think he mispasted |
| 00:09.17 | pantalaimon | oKtosiTe, nothing... sorry |
| 00:09.22 | Hoxzer | Shadowcat: :D ?yes |
| 00:09.24 | oKtosiTe | pantalaimon: lol, ok |
| 00:09.36 | Shadowcat | Hoxzer: then fix your port forwarding |
| 00:09.41 | Shadowcat | Read the router manual to find out how |
| 00:09.41 | Hoxzer | Shadowcat: it is right |
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| 00:09.57 | Hoxzer | Shadowcat: is it only one port need to be forwarded? |
| 00:09.59 | Shadowcat | if your port forwarding was correct you wouldn't be having this problem would you? |
| 00:10.01 | Shadowcat | so FIX it |
| 00:10.24 | Hoxzer | :D How can I fix it if I'm already forwarding ssh port |
| 00:10.45 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 00:10.58 | Hoxzer | but then again is it only that one port needed to be forwarded? |
| 00:11.02 | Shadowcat | giving me a smerk isn't gonna make me want to help you any more |
| 00:11.02 | ootput | Hoxzer: there's nothing to fix if port-forwarding isn't the problem |
| 00:11.13 | Shadowcat | ootput: it probably is |
| 00:11.22 | ootput | Hoxzer: then you'd better make damn sure it isn't the problem |
| 00:11.27 | Shadowcat | if you forward port 22 and you have five boxes behind the gateway binding it |
| 00:11.33 | oKtosiTe | Hoxzer: only one port |
| 00:11.37 | Shadowcat | how the hell is the router supposed to know here to forward to? |
| 00:11.46 | Shadowcat | where* |
| 00:12.01 | Hoxzer | well, I have set port forwarding for torrent and it works just fine ... and I did exacly the same for ssh |
| 00:12.13 | Hoxzer | is there any way to check if the port is open? |
| 00:12.23 | Shadowcat | ootput you handle this |
| 00:12.24 | ootput | online port scanner |
| 00:12.35 | ootput | Shadowcat: i'm gonna sit this one out if it gets tedious |
| 00:12.36 | ootput | :) |
| 00:12.53 | Shadowcat | ootput: I just spent three days reinstalling windblows |
| 00:13.07 | haga | hey, i know this is offtopic but how come when i hook up my xbox 360 to my 20" LCD T.V., i only get 480p ? |
| 00:13.14 | ootput | Shadowcat: why so long? |
| 00:13.19 | ootput | Shadowcat: multiple reinstallations? |
| 00:13.20 | Shadowcat | ootput: crappy nvidia drivers |
| 00:13.22 | wireddd | does 2.6.16 use iptables for routing? |
| 00:13.30 | Shadowcat | the thing would freeze when playing videos |
| 00:13.38 | jetscreamer | no idea waspius |
| 00:13.40 | Shadowcat | so I had to go driver hunting across the internet until I found one that worked |
| 00:13.41 | jetscreamer | hey so what's the deal on the gtk bork in sid |
| 00:13.56 | Shadowcat | it's sid? |
| 00:14.02 | Shadowcat | it's supposed to be broken? |
| 00:14.10 | jetscreamer | mine did with the last upgrade |
| 00:14.14 | jetscreamer | all i know |
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| 00:14.29 | ootput | jetscreamer: anything of value in bts? |
| 00:14.29 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade |
| 00:14.49 | jetscreamer | was checking here first... no time to sit atm |
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| 00:15.44 | nxtw | haga: what cabling? |
| 00:16.03 | haga | HD |
| 00:16.09 | Hoxzer | ootput: is it possible that if I have a nat on my box and I try to connect outside world from there and then go back again to get ssh connection with external ip |
| 00:16.12 | grapsus | hello! |
| 00:16.14 | haga | nxtw: HD |
| 00:16.29 | Hoxzer | ootput: that my connection gets refused some how |
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| 00:16.55 | grapsus | what's up? |
| 00:17.05 | Hoxzer | :( I dont feel so good |
| 00:17.06 | ootput | Hoxzer: what do you mean by 'go back again' |
| 00:17.15 | ootput | that last part didn't make much sense either |
| 00:17.49 | Hoxzer | ootput: I have my pc on same network as my server is. |
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| 00:18.07 | ootput | Hoxzer: your server is the gateway |
| 00:18.09 | ootput | ? |
| 00:18.10 | Hoxzer | ootput: I have port forward and I'm trying to connect my box with external ip |
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| 00:18.33 | Hoxzer | ootput: no it isn't my router is :P ( now I got lost) |
| 00:18.52 | Hoxzer | but anyway my pc goes through my server |
| 00:19.08 | Hoxzer | and then goes to router -> internet |
| 00:19.17 | Shadowcat | ootput: see why I bailed? |
| 00:19.25 | ootput | Shadowcat: ah |
| 00:19.37 | jetscreamer | he has his server as his gateway not his router maybe |
| 00:19.42 | jetscreamer | guessing |
| 00:20.01 | Shadowcat | jetscreamer: oh ya, multirouter setups on a home lan with a clueless admin |
| 00:20.06 | Shadowcat | that's gonna work well |
| 00:20.36 | ootput | Hoxzer: is it necessary to have your desktop connected directly to the server? |
| 00:20.46 | ootput | Hoxzer: that kind of negates the whole purpose of the router |
| 00:20.55 | ootput | oh, multi-router? |
| 00:21.34 | jlaw | f'ck it, i've such a f*ck*n hiccup o.O |
| 00:21.44 | Hoxzer | ootput: I have a bridge setup on my server :/ so I dont see a problem with that |
| 00:22.17 | Shadowcat | uhhh |
| 00:22.19 | Shadowcat | bridges suck |
| 00:22.27 | Shadowcat | and introduce all sorts of problems if not handled correctly |
| 00:22.33 | jlaw | hiccuo sux -.- |
| 00:22.34 | Shadowcat | especially when it's a windows box doing the bridge |
| 00:22.44 | ootput | Hoxzer: you neglected to mention that fact |
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| 00:23.12 | Shadowcat | the bridge is the problem, get rid of it |
| 00:23.43 | Shadowcat | as I said, clueless admin |
| 00:23.43 | jetscreamer | ^ , |
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| 00:23.57 | Shadowcat | heh, I put this stock AMD64 heatsink on my laptop over the hd to cool it |
| 00:24.01 | jetscreamer | i've broke a lot of shit: trust me, i know what i'm dong |
| 00:24.02 | Hoxzer | Shadowcat: I dont see why does that bridge kill my connection if I do it from outside world (not from home) |
| 00:24.12 | Hoxzer | as my server is attached directly to router |
| 00:24.30 | Shadowcat | why can't they design laptops that dissipates heat properly |
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| 00:24.34 | ootput | Hoxzer: you need to troubleshoot better. Disable the bridge, and test your network connectivity |
| 00:24.46 | Shadowcat | Hoxzer: because apparently your bridge doesn't understand port forwarding worth two cents |
| 00:25.16 | eugman | What's the smallest debian or debian offshoot with working apt-get? |
| 00:25.23 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 00:25.25 | Shadowcat | you ask that in here? |
| 00:25.28 | Hoxzer | Shadowcat: yeah, but it isn't my server doing the port forwarding :/ |
| 00:25.46 | Shadowcat | look either follow our advice, or go elsewhere |
| 00:25.59 | Hoxzer | :D dont be so negative |
| 00:26.00 | Shadowcat | I've spent three days reinstalling windblows because of nvidia and I'm really not in the mood to argue |
| 00:26.03 | jetscreamer | pdas,cell;s |
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| 00:26.07 | ootput | smallest audience? why, debian jr. of course! |
| 00:26.15 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 00:27.08 | ootput | Hoxzer: consider what route a packet takes after passing through your gateway |
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| 00:27.11 | jetscreamer | because of nvidia? |
| 00:27.29 | Shadowcat | jetscreamer: everytime I played a video, it'd freeze the entire system |
| 00:27.30 | Quiznos | OT but perhaps someone knows what's one to use in lieu of [sg]tty.2 not being implemented? |
| 00:27.37 | Shadowcat | and obviously I'm using nVidia+nVidia |
| 00:27.43 | Shadowcat | actually msi+msi too |
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| 00:28.01 | jetscreamer | who would want to watch vids in win... macrovision |
| 00:28.06 | jetscreamer | no tv out |
| 00:28.13 | roym | Hi all, I am using python2.4 - ">>> import Tkinter" fails even though |
| 00:28.13 | roym | I have python2.4-tk installed. Any ideas? |
| 00:28.16 | Shadowcat | whether I like it or not I serve clients who use windows |
| 00:28.17 | eugman | How small of a debian installation is possible with working apt-get? |
| 00:28.21 | Shadowcat | so I have to install it |
| 00:28.25 | jlaw | Schadowcat, i'm running asus mobo + asus nvidia and it works fine with the nvidia binary !-) |
| 00:28.40 | Shadowcat | you can have this crappy one instead |
| 00:28.41 | jlaw | ^^ |
| 00:28.53 | Shadowcat | what pisses me off the most is that even msi's own driver would screw up |
| 00:29.08 | Shadowcat | I mean those guys are supposed to provide working drivers right? |
| 00:29.28 | jlaw | Shadowcat, msi chipset for mainboar or for the graphics adapter? |
| 00:29.34 | Shadowcat | both |
| 00:29.39 | Shadowcat | hence msi+msi |
| 00:29.40 | jlaw | hrm |
| 00:30.22 | jlaw | Shadowcat, you should use the nvdia chipset driver for your graphics adapter ... it worked fone for me for an asus and an asrock card |
| 00:30.55 | haga | hey, i know this is offtopic but how come when i hook up my xbox 360 to my 20" LCD T.V., i only get 480p ? |
| 00:31.24 | jlaw | but you have to recompile your current or a new kernel to use it (except you're using suse or rehat !-) |
| 00:31.36 | eugman | Is there a channel where I might get answers for asking stupid debian questions? |
| 00:31.48 | Shadowcat | eugman: in here |
| 00:31.55 | Shadowcat | provided you're willing to learn |
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| 00:32.05 | Shadowcat | well... you'll find out very quickly if they're too stupid |
| 00:32.13 | Shadowcat | because we'll just ignore you if they are |
| 00:32.16 | laurens | has anyone got libapache2-mod-perl2 working?? |
| 00:32.25 | jlaw | or it'll look like this |
| 00:32.31 | jlaw | !slap eugman |
| 00:32.36 | eugman | I'm just looking for a figure. I'm trying to find out how small of an install I can make and still have working apt-get |
| 00:32.38 | laurens | it seems that it's quite broken ATM |
| 00:32.44 | Shadowcat | !beat eugman |
| 00:32.48 | Shadowcat | !tell eugman about TRY |
| 00:32.55 | bws42 | small? |
| 00:32.57 | bws42 | really small? |
| 00:33.03 | Shadowcat | I don't see why you just don't bloody try it |
| 00:33.13 | Shadowcat | we're not gonna strip debian down just to provide you with an answer |
| 00:33.27 | Shadowcat | well ok maybe cafuego will ;) |
| 00:33.37 | Shadowcat | but for the rest of us |
| 00:33.39 | jlaw | eugman, try "user linux" ... it's as small as you install it !-) |
| 00:33.40 | cafuego | Then answer is 42. |
| 00:33.47 | Shadowcat | there you go |
| 00:33.49 | eugman | Shadowcat, but through normal methods whats the smallest isntall available. |
| 00:33.50 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 00:33.59 | Shadowcat | there's nothing called normal methods |
| 00:34.09 | laurens | When I install libapache2-mod-perl2 and direct it to a directory that has index.pl, it tries to download it instead of parse it |
| 00:34.09 | Shadowcat | you can rip out libc6 via apt and it'll happily let you do it |
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| 00:34.20 | Shadowcat | just don't count on very much working after that |
| 00:34.21 | cafuego | eugman: The normal base install is just under 100Mb. |
| 00:34.31 | laurens | if i configure mod_perl specifically for that directory, it claims it can no longer find the directory |
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| 00:34.51 | eugman | Hooray, cafuego. Now does the base install come with a front end for dpkg? |
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| 00:35.01 | jlaw | i had a working linux install with mysql and apche under 100 mb on 486dx100 =) |
| 00:35.14 | cafuego | eugman: It has aptitude these days I'd hazard. |
| 00:35.46 | cafuego | jlaw: I used to have that with X and Netscape and dev tools in 100mb, back in the day. |
| 00:35.57 | jlaw | eugman, of course the base install does come with it, how else wold you enhence from a base install to a comfrotable syste? |
| 00:36.28 | jlaw | cafuego, i had x with black box on it |
| 00:36.44 | eugman | I don' know. For all I knew real linux users install all of the packages for aptitude one by one. |
| 00:36.52 | cafuego | There was no blackbox back when I started. fvwm all the way! |
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| 00:36.59 | jlaw | ooh, the graphix ... accelerated by an s3 trio 64 svga card XP |
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| 00:37.39 | eugman | cafuego, one last question. Can I just use any install cd to do a base install? |
| 00:37.46 | cafuego | eugman: yes |
| 00:37.51 | exobyte | glad to see the freenode channel is still alive |
| 00:37.55 | Quiznos | OT but perhaps someone knows what's one to use in lieu of [sg]tty.2 not being implemented? |
| 00:38.01 | cafuego | eugman: Well, not a blank cd or a redhat cd, but any working debian cd. |
| 00:38.28 | eugman | Yes, obviously. Thank you for answers that were actually helpful. |
| 00:38.39 | roym | ok, apt-get --reinstall install python2.4 did the trick.. (failing "import Tkinter")) |
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| 00:39.12 | jlaw | eugman, try "user linux". you'll get out the most of it if you're obstinate enough |
| 00:39.55 | eugman | jlaw, is it compatible with .deb ? I basically just need something small and able to easily install gtypist. |
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| 00:40.20 | jlaw | eugman, it is compatible if you make it compatible XP |
| 00:40.34 | eugman | I don't like the sound of that. |
| 00:40.40 | eugman | Thwe first part |
| 00:40.46 | eugman | Crap all you like |
| 00:40.47 | cafuego | !info gtypist |
| 00:40.50 | dpkg | gtypist: (A simple ncurses touch typing tutor), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.7-5 (sid), Packaged size: 617 kB, Installed size: 2280 kB |
| 00:40.55 | _Atomo64_ | how can I make all the messages (emails) sent to 'root' to be redirected to an other mail? |
| 00:41.07 | exobyte_ | I'm trying to install madwifi. For some reason, modprobe ath_pci fails (it can't locate the module). Any ideas? |
| 00:41.18 | cafuego | _Atomo64_: edit /etc/aliases and add "root: useruser"; then run ' |
| 00:41.20 | cafuego | newaliases |
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| 00:44.56 | laurens | u |
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| 00:45.34 | jlaw | counter u |
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| 00:46.34 | Shadowcat | !u |
| 00:46.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:46.51 | eugman | !ne1 |
| 00:46.52 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 00:47.21 | nxtw | 6 HOURS TO GET LINUX TO BOOT PROPERLY. |
| 00:47.22 | eugman | !slap laurens |
| 00:47.32 | eugman | hooray |
| 00:47.32 | nxtw | -caps. |
| 00:47.34 | jetscreamer | build_sam_account: smbpasswd database is corrupt! username Debian-exim with uid 102 is not in unix passwd database! |
| 00:47.46 | laurens | u was a typo |
| 00:47.55 | laurens | i didn't mean to type anything :-) |
| 00:47.59 | jetscreamer | takes 30 minutes nxtw |
| 00:48.00 | jlaw | !seen gos |
| 00:48.01 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'gos', jlaw |
| 00:48.04 | jlaw | damn |
| 00:48.08 | jlaw | !seen god |
| 00:48.09 | dpkg | god <i=SLLs_esL@201008066220.user.veloxzone.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 228d 7h 59m 31s ago, saying: 'is it true that debian can be used for web servers??'. |
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| 00:48.40 | jlaw | haaa, and people said i was crazy when i'll told them i'll find the l00rd in the net |
| 00:48.50 | nxtw | jetscreamer: not when you're using pci/pci-e ide/sata controllers, an nforce4 motherboard (or atleast the kn8 ultra), and more than eight hard drives |
| 00:48.51 | ootput | ah, that's old |
| 00:48.56 | ootput | but funny nevertheless |
| 00:49.20 | jlaw | nxtw, are you describing my system? |
| 00:49.22 | jetscreamer | nxtw: you shoulda asked me about the multiple controllers first |
| 00:49.29 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 00:49.30 | _Atomo64_ | cafuego: and if I want to send it to an external mail? |
| 00:49.36 | jetscreamer | been there done that |
| 00:49.37 | nxtw | oh god. nooo |
| 00:50.00 | jetscreamer | they finally put it on the etch beta 3 installer page |
| 00:50.05 | jetscreamer | as a known bug |
| 00:50.12 | jetscreamer | i've known for quite a while |
| 00:50.39 | eugman | How old is that irc bot? |
| 00:50.41 | nxtw | the problem i have is strictly with either grub or my bios |
| 00:51.08 | jetscreamer | nxtw: it's the way the modules get loaded from the initrd, you have to make mkinitrd rules when you roll it |
| 00:51.20 | bronze | u what? |
| 00:51.30 | nxtw | (any one of the six bioses i have.) |
| 00:51.57 | jlaw | nxtw ... six bioses ... are you running an atari? |
| 00:51.59 | nxtw | no |
| 00:52.22 | nxtw | there's the main bios, the "mediashield raid bios", the three raid bioses on the three pci-e sata controllers, and the pci ide card bios |
| 00:52.28 | jlaw | my atari 1040st had 4, bios, xbios, gem bios and vdi bios |
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| 00:53.48 | nxtw | everything would be fine if i could get linux to somehow ignore that the builtin ide controller is disabled |
| 00:54.37 | jetscreamer | nxtw: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
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| 00:55.40 | jetscreamer | nxtw: dont use intrd, works everytime. of course first you need a kernel |
| 00:55.50 | nxtw | grub won't even load most of the time. |
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| 00:56.23 | jetscreamer | won't load or wont load the os |
| 00:56.30 | nxtw | won't load. |
| 00:56.36 | nxtw | it just quits at "GRUB loading, please wait..." |
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| 00:56.47 | ootput | nxtw: you;re not able to specify the boot device at the main bios? |
| 00:57.07 | nxtw | I can do that. unless I have all three of my pci-e controllers hooked up |
| 00:57.10 | jetscreamer | ootput: it's a fucked up situation |
| 00:57.16 | ootput | jetscreamer: yeah, sounds like it |
| 00:57.18 | nxtw | and then I can't get past the stupid nvidia raid bios |
| 00:57.40 | jetscreamer | another way: boot a -386 kernel |
| 00:57.48 | jetscreamer | doesn't have that problem |
| 00:58.02 | jetscreamer | of course, sounds like you need a bels&whistles kernel |
| 00:58.33 | inlinefour | is there a tutorial to configure sftp? |
| 00:58.50 | inlinefour | using ssh |
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| 00:59.18 | ootput | inlinefour: man ssh_config? |
| 00:59.35 | ootput | man pages are usually helpful |
| 00:59.36 | jetscreamer | nxtw: if you can get ahold of some kanotix udev scripts, it may help |
| 00:59.45 | jetscreamer | kano's got it down |
| 01:00.31 | ootput | inlinefour: of course, there's alway lftp (a treat to work with) |
| 01:01.03 | ootput | the settings are still applicable, though |
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| 01:01.18 | inlinefour | ootput: i mean like an online tutorial |
| 01:01.19 | jetscreamer | no initrd, udev scripts, a -386 kernel, or roll an initrd with good mkinitrd rules... these are where to look |
| 01:01.30 | inlinefour | kinda hard to read in terminal |
| 01:01.30 | inlinefour | =\ |
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| 01:02.05 | eugman | Hey, if a computer doesn't have internet acess is there any reason why I couldn't install a program by installing the deb for it and the dependencies one by one? |
| 01:02.18 | ootput | inlinefour: there are gui-alternatives to sftp, in case you're interested |
| 01:02.30 | inlinefour | ootput: what are they? |
| 01:02.33 | ootput | inlinefour: if you don't enjoy working at the command-line (blasphemer!) |
| 01:02.35 | inlinefour | i'm interested |
| 01:02.38 | cafuego | nxtw: Disable the nvidia raid in the bios. |
| 01:02.49 | jetscreamer | eugman: easier to just burn a cd and use it as a source, but yeah you could |
| 01:02.51 | nxtw | cafuego: it's not on. |
| 01:02.53 | ootput | inlinefour: iirc, gftp |
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| 01:03.15 | cafuego | nxtw: Normally if it's disabled, it shouod be skipped altogether at bootup (mine does) |
| 01:03.16 | eugman | Jetscreamer, do you mean make a cd repo or something different? |
| 01:03.29 | nxtw | it does that only if i don't have a lot of drives plugged in. |
| 01:03.41 | jetscreamer | well if it's not in sources you'd need to make a repo |
| 01:03.46 | ootput | inlinefour: sftp has essentially the same toolset as ftp |
| 01:03.56 | ootput | inlinefour: and i'm sure a lot of tutorials are available for ftp |
| 01:04.02 | jetscreamer | you can just put them all in a dir and dpkg -i *.deb though |
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| 01:04.39 | jetscreamer | i was thinking 'burn an iso' though |
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| 01:05.04 | jlaw | annotation: my debian works fine with the nvidia sata raid controller (download the chipset driver from asus) |
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| 01:05.27 | jlaw | i go to bed, gdn8 guys |
| 01:05.34 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:07.32 | eugman | Is dpkg smart enough to be able to install a program and it's dependencies at the same time? |
| 01:08.22 | cafuego | eugman: No, that's why one uses apt. |
| 01:08.28 | dabreegster | No, that's apt-get/aptitude's job |
| 01:09.14 | eugman | Well if I had all the debs in a folder what would be the way to go? |
| 01:09.30 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 01:09.38 | Shadowcat | man dpkg |
| 01:10.23 | ootput | apt-move is handy |
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| 01:12.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 01:13.06 | jetscreamer | it will tell you if you don't have all it needs |
| 01:13.43 | eugman | I'm not concerned about that. I was concerned about it freaking out when it tries to install a program and it hasn't installed one of the dependencies yet. |
| 01:14.59 | cr3 | how can I use sed to delete the lines between two patterns? |
| 01:16.29 | cr3 | nevermind: sed '/pat1/,/pat2/ d' |
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| 01:19.56 | simonrvn | lspci is helpful |
| 01:20.18 | ZzZzSputnik | :-[ |
| 01:20.29 | ZzZzSputnik | thanx |
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| 01:21.24 | minerale | Anyone here used sed before? I want to apply a replacement but only to uncommented lines ( lines that start with # ) |
| 01:22.07 | eugman | Is there a list anywhere of the packaages installed with a base installation? |
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| 01:24.32 | bbelt16ag | hello |
| 01:25.38 | bbelt16ag | i cant find the rpc.rquotad daemon in my debian |
| 01:25.48 | bbelt16ag | is there a way i can install it for nfs? |
| 01:27.07 | bbelt16ag | geesh, |
| 01:27.13 | bbelt16ag | didnt know i smelled that bad |
| 01:28.25 | karsten | eugman: egrep -h '^(Section|Package)' /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_*Packages | grep -B1 '^Section: base' | grep ^Package |
| 01:28.37 | karsten | eugman: TMTOWTDI |
| 01:28.51 | eugman | This is trueWhat does that acronym stand for? |
| 01:28.55 | kminor | I installed debian on a winxp/2003server machine last on the 3rd partition and was using bootmagic to boot and it stalls on debian, i didnt install grub to the mbr...and i'm having it point to the ext3 partition not the swap...anyone ever encounter this type of problem? |
| 01:28.57 | eugman | whoops |
| 01:29.23 | karsten | eugman: 132 packages, BTW. |
| 01:29.27 | karsten | !TMTOWTDI |
| 01:29.27 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 01:29.45 | karsten | kminor: Describe the boot error more specifically. |
| 01:29.54 | bbelt16ag | well wish i knew just one |
| 01:29.58 | eugman | Karsten, would that work if I run ubuntu? |
| 01:30.09 | karsten | eugman: Maybe. |
| 01:30.12 | bbelt16ag | does rpc.rquotad exsist? |
| 01:30.13 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 01:30.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 01:30.15 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.33 | karsten | bbelt16ag: 'locate foo' if you've got slocatedb installed/updated. |
| 01:30.41 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 01:30.42 | karsten | !tell bbelt16ag about search |
| 01:30.44 | bbelt16ag | i will try |
| 01:31.11 | kminor | karsten: no boot error, i was using bootmagic to boot XP and 2003 server, I added debian and when I try to boot that with bootmagic it says trying to start debian, and just freezes....I installed grub to the partition instead of the mbr so i could use bootmagic but now I'm thinking I made a mistake |
| 01:31.12 | karsten | eugman: It should. However I'm not running ubuntu, and this isn't #ubuntu. Suggest you just run it. |
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| 01:31.22 | kminor | grub >> bootmagic |
| 01:31.25 | eugman | karsten, is there a place I can tell wget to download the list of packages from? |
| 01:31.42 | karsten | eugman: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:31.44 | eugman | oh wait |
| 01:31.55 | eugman | Didn't read your last part. |
| 01:31.59 | karsten | eugman: Your friendly neighborhood Debian archive will have that. |
| 01:32.08 | bbelt16ag | what does svc stand for source code? |
| 01:32.21 | karsten | eugman: And if you're trying a bootstrap install, I'd suggest debootstrap. |
| 01:32.29 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Ask the developer |
| 01:32.34 | eugman | I basically want to see if certain packages come with minimal so I knwo what extras I need to install gtypist. |
| 01:32.51 | karsten | eugman: Um. How new to Debian are you exactly? |
| 01:32.57 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 01:33.00 | bbelt16ag | i just want to run NFS |
| 01:33.02 | kminor | karsten: is there any guidelines to use grub.conf er configure it rather to boot diff. operating systems off the same drive but diff. paritions? |
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| 01:33.12 | bbelt16ag | the how to says i need that rpc |
| 01:33.36 | bbelt16ag | for it to work and obiously it dosnt with out it since i am still here :) |
| 01:34.09 | karsten | kminor: I havenet used bootmagic so I've no idea what it expects. You want to identify where in your boot process the problem occurs: BIOS, first stage bootloader (presumabley bootmagick), any of GRUB's various stages, kernel load, initrd, or root filesystme being the usual suspects. |
| 01:34.14 | eugman | Kartsen, my only expirience with debian is indirect. I only know what dpkg and grep do because ubuntu has them as well. I'm actually a bit new to linux too. |
| 01:34.22 | karsten | bbelt16ag: What howto? URL? |
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| 01:34.25 | eugman | the n again grep isn' |
| 01:34.30 | eugman | isn't debain specific |
| 01:34.42 | karsten | eugman: Are you running debian or ubuntu right now? |
| 01:34.49 | bbelt16ag | ok just a sec |
| 01:34.54 | karsten | eugman: .. and/or are you trying to go from one to the ohter? |
| 01:34.56 | vasi | hiya, i'm trying to debug an issue with gnome-keyring-daemon....what's the best way to get a build with debug symbols? |
| 01:35.00 | bbelt16ag | http://ldp.linuxhelp.ca/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/server.html#SERVERINTRO |
| 01:35.13 | karsten | vasi: Build one. |
| 01:35.14 | kminor | karsten: word man, yeah i think im gonna trash bootmagic and use grub if i can find out how to configure it to boot diff partitons off of 1 disk\ |
| 01:35.14 | vasi | (there doesn't seem to be a "gnome-keyring-dbg" package) |
| 01:35.23 | vasi | karsten: okie doke then |
| 01:35.24 | eugman | I'm trying to get a very minimal installation of debian on an old computer so it can run gtypist. My main distro is ubuntu. I'm using it now. |
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| 01:35.53 | karsten | kminor: There's several BRUB / Linux multi-boot howtos, and instructions w/in GRUB istelf (if you install the documdentation package) on how to do multi-OS boots. I ncluding WinXX. |
| 01:36.06 | eugman | Right now I need to get a spare harddrive for the opld computer so it's gonna be a few days before i do anything. But I the computer has no internet access so I have to manually bring over the packages. |
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| 01:36.49 | kminor | karsten: word...I didnt know they had grub documentation packages thnx...just under documentation i presume...gad0ie ;) |
| 01:36.51 | karsten | eugman: OK. Debian (and Ubuntu's) pakcage management system handles dependencies for you. If you were to do a minimal install (just the base packages, no tasksel or other package selection), then install gtypist post-boot, it would install everything gtypist itself requires. |
| 01:37.10 | karsten | eugman: That's the magic of Debian's dependency resolution. |
| 01:37.19 | bbelt16ag | yup |
| 01:37.19 | karsten | kminor: grub-doc IIRC. |
| 01:37.25 | bbelt16ag | beautiful magic, |
| 01:37.33 | eugman | Karsten, the computer isn't going to have internet acess so I still need to find what debs. won't be installed at first. |
| 01:37.35 | karsten | kminor: Confirmed. |
| 01:37.46 | eugman | So I can put them on a cd . |
| 01:37.51 | karsten | . It's info documentation pre default. |
| 01:37.57 | bbelt16ag | why not use the debian cd? |
| 01:38.04 | karsten | apt-cache show apt-zip |
| 01:38.05 | bbelt16ag | nm i am gonna shut my mouth... |
| 01:38.12 | kminor | karsten: anyway to get it with apt? |
| 01:38.23 | bbelt16ag | *starts smashing head against desk* |
| 01:38.45 | karsten | eugman: ... or install from a full set of disks. You can use jigdo to speed the build process (pulls packages and assembles ISOs from regular Debian archive mirrors rather than specific ISO distribution sources, much faster. |
| 01:38.56 | karsten | kminor: aptitude install grub-doc |
| 01:39.08 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Can we help you smash it? |
| 01:39.30 | eugman | Karsten, that would work as well. Would the disks basically act as a repository? |
| 01:39.32 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 01:39.35 | ootput | bbelt16ag: let me know if you break on through to the other side |
| 01:39.43 | bbelt16ag | owww |
| 01:39.47 | bbelt16ag | hit the server... |
| 01:39.50 | karsten | eugman: apt-zip is intended for systems with no (or very slow) network coneections, allows you to shuttle packages back and forth via removeable media. Originally zip drives, can use USB, CD, etc. |
| 01:40.09 | karsten | eugman: Why don't you just read the package description? http://packages.debian.org/apt-zip |
| 01:40.45 | eugman | thanks |
| 01:40.48 | ootput | eugman: there's no way to get networking set up on that computer? |
| 01:40.51 | karsten | eugman: NP |
| 01:41.22 | eugman | ootput, we may have a spare ethernet card that would be compatible but I'm going to have to do some looking. |
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| 01:41.51 | karsten | eugman: FYI, I've been known to SLIP and PLIP "non-networkable" systems through another host. All it takes is a crossover parallel / serial cable. Usually sufficiently fast on a standard Internet bband connection. |
| 01:41.59 | karsten | . |
| 01:42.23 | karsten | SLIP == serial, PLIP == parallel. |
| 01:42.32 | bbelt16ag | * bangs harder* i am a doof |
| 01:42.43 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Dont stop now! |
| 01:42.46 | karsten | Shadowcat: ;-) |
| 01:42.53 | bbelt16ag | i guess nobdy is listening to me any more rquaota is apart of the quaota stuff.. |
| 01:42.56 | bbelt16ag | whatever |
| 01:43.04 | bbelt16ag | i think i got what i need now |
| 01:43.20 | karsten | Shadowcat: I've also used xyzmodem over minicom for boxen in which I couldn't get SLIP working properly but *coul* get serial console mode on ;-) |
| 01:43.39 | karsten | Shadowcat: ... except for one time when I couldn't ... |
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| 01:43.48 | karsten | Shadowcat: ... so I used asci transfers of uuencoded files. |
| 01:44.12 | karsten | bbelt16ag: What was the question, you headbanger you? |
| 01:44.27 | liable | hehe |
| 01:44.37 | g333k | Hello I deleted my XFConfig-4 file, now I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the whole questions but it doesnt creates me a new XFConfig-4 file, why?¡ |
| 01:44.50 | dvs | !xmd5 |
| 01:44.50 | dpkg | from memory, x md5sum is If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you ... |
| 01:44.55 | karsten | Shadowcat: That's 2*W5B97)G,S-K(&MA<G-T96X* |
| 01:44.58 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.08 | dvs | *gasp* |
| 01:45.11 | g333k | dvs, In sarge too? |
| 01:45.17 | bbelt16ag | thats what is ws peeps |
| 01:45.18 | dvs | g333k: yes |
| 01:45.29 | bbelt16ag | it relied on that RPC |
| 01:45.44 | karsten | dvs: Yep. Though I've had issues with my x config files actually believing htey haven't been modified. |
| 01:46.00 | g333k | dvs, So how can I re-create my XFConfig-4 file? |
| 01:46.07 | dvs | g333k: delete the md5 file |
| 01:46.27 | dvs | karsten: shhhh! It might be listening! |
| 01:46.39 | bbelt16ag | i was trying to figure out why debian didnt have a rpc.rquota file in it and i figured out it was cause the quota package was not installed and therefor once it was in stall NFS now works YES i can play mp3s from my server w/o a sound card and with out trying to setup icecast server! |
| 01:46.42 | bbelt16ag | BRB |
| 01:47.49 | karsten | g333k: md5sum /etc/X11/XFconfig-4 > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 01:47.51 | ootput | OK |
| 01:47.53 | karsten | g333k: I think. |
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| 01:48.27 | dvs | karsten: mixing x.org and XFree86? |
| 01:48.35 | karsten | dvs: Point. |
| 01:48.53 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:49.06 | karsten | g333k: Last should read /var/lib/x11/XFconfig-4.md5sum |
| 01:49.30 | karsten | dvs: Was reading the XF86 stuff above and from my own system for where things live, I'm running xorg. |
| 01:49.49 | dvs | karsten: hmmm... likely excuse. :-D |
| 01:49.56 | _Atomo64_ | how can I use Qt4's qmake instead of Qt3's one? |
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| 01:50.22 | g333k | karsten, md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
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| 01:51.22 | karsten | g333k: Looks likely. The XF86Config-4 file should specify that. |
| 01:51.28 | inlinefour | hmm |
| 01:51.35 | inlinefour | anyone run debian as their server? |
| 01:51.42 | karsten | inlinefour: Nope, nobody does. |
| 01:51.47 | inlinefour | :( |
| 01:52.33 | _Atomo64_ | inlinefour: what kind of server? |
| 01:52.34 | ootput | inlinefour: more than one, i'd say |
| 01:52.45 | karsten | !tell inlinefour about polls |
| 01:52.48 | karsten | !tell inlinefour about ask |
| 01:53.02 | liable | g333k: iirc running the mdsum will create it if it doesnt exist, if not, just 'touch' the file and then run the md5sum |
| 01:53.09 | bbelt16ag | sigh its music to my ears! |
| 01:53.56 | g333k | liable, yep it worked, afterwards I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it re-created my conf file |
| 01:55.47 | _Atomo64_ | inlinefour: If you are talking about web servers, there are a lot of web servers running Debian; just look at hosteurope.de hosted servers... and you will find a lot |
| 01:56.26 | bbelt16ag | is there support for nfs in windows?? |
| 01:56.30 | g333k | I have installed fluxbox in my P1 133Mhz 32M Ram, but I really dont like it, what other X manager do you recommend me? |
| 01:56.41 | DocOC | inlinefour: I would say that almost 100% of the people in here run debian servers. |
| 01:56.43 | Kevin` | bbelt16ag yes, wrong channel though ;) |
| 01:56.48 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 01:56.52 | bbelt16ag | i was just cruious |
| 01:56.57 | bbelt16ag | what is the "right channel" |
| 01:57.00 | bbelt16ag | nfs? |
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| 01:57.07 | Kevin` | ##windows i'd say |
| 01:57.13 | bbelt16ag | heh |
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| 01:58.00 | glick | scuse me does anyone have any idea how i can bring down and back up again a remote interface through which i am connected? |
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| 01:58.18 | DocOC | g333k: you have no taste. fluxbox is beautiful ;P |
| 01:58.26 | _Atomo64_ | glick: /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 01:58.35 | g333k | DocOC, I prefer JWM |
| 01:58.40 | _Atomo64_ | g333k: kde? |
| 01:58.53 | glick | hmm |
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| 01:58.59 | glick | yeah tha tmay work |
| 01:59.00 | glick | thanks |
| 01:59.07 | dark_light | i installed a package with --force-depends and now aptitude is trying to remove it whenever i install a package with aptitude.. how can i tell aptitude to just shut up?:( |
| 01:59.15 | DocOC | _Atomo64_: he's running on a p1 133 with 32 megs ram. kde is really not an option. |
| 01:59.24 | g333k | _Atomo64_, no way... I just have 32M of RAm and a 1.2G of hdd |
| 01:59.35 | DocOC | g333k: never tried jwm. got a link? |
| 01:59.47 | _Atomo64_ | g333k: it is possible... but, if you don't want to... you can use icewm |
| 01:59.52 | g333k | DocOC, Have yo ever tried Puppy Linux? |
| 02:00.14 | karsten | inlinefour: is there a question somewhere in there? |
| 02:00.33 | karsten | glick: Um. Remote interface? ssh to the box and ifdown/ifup it. |
| 02:00.48 | karsten | glick: If it's a *local* interface, you can skip the ssh step. |
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| 02:01.02 | glick | karsten: yeah i tried that but it didnt bring the interface up agaain |
| 02:01.23 | g333k | _Atomo64_, I think instead kde gnome woulb be a better option |
| 02:01.33 | karsten | glick: That would be because when you ifdown it, you've lost the connection. |
| 02:01.47 | karsten | glick: ssh remotehost. screen. ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 02:01.52 | DocOC | g333k: I haven't run any distribution other than debian unstable for about the last 5 years. |
| 02:01.53 | _Atomo64_ | g333k: gnome ain't an option; gnome scks :P |
| 02:02.11 | glick | karsten: what does screen do? |
| 02:02.12 | karsten | glick: If you run it like that, you may not even be disconnected. Note that the use of screen ensures that your remote shell session continues to run. |
| 02:02.20 | DocOC | g333k: on a system as limited as yours, I would avoid any DE. |
| 02:02.22 | glick | ok |
| 02:02.25 | karsten | glick: man screen |
| 02:02.33 | glick | coo |
| 02:02.42 | karsten | glick: It's a persistent terminal multiplexer |
| 02:02.44 | kminor | my dumb gui using *inserts comment here* musta did something to disable ifconfig/iwconfig etc.. :( |
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| 02:03.13 | karsten | g333k: 32MB 1.2 G I'd stick with shell only. That's in very lightweight server category, firewall, shell server. |
| 02:03.31 | DocOC | g333k: if you prefer jwm to fluxbox, you obviously haven't seen how pretty fluxbox can be. jwm looks pretty klunky to me. |
| 02:03.55 | _Atomo64_ | it's time to move on for me... TV is where I'm going to :P |
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| 02:04.17 | g333k | karsten, This is what I like to do, a Firewall, but I like a X manager to try how is my firewall working |
| 02:04.26 | Cooner750 | Can anyone possibly tell me why Proftpd is being SO slow? |
| 02:04.31 | nxtw | check top |
| 02:04.37 | nxtw | is a proftpd process using all of your cpu |
| 02:04.38 | nxtw | ? |
| 02:04.49 | Cooner750 | How can I tell? |
| 02:04.53 | karsten | g333k: You can install x *clients* on the firewall if you want. Midn that the x server is most of the heavy stuff. Or use a tool such as nagios to keep track / monitor the system. |
| 02:04.58 | karsten | g333k: ... or mrtg. |
| 02:05.00 | nxtw | nevermind |
| 02:05.04 | Cooner750 | The system is running fine otherwise, |
| 02:05.23 | Cooner750 | But it just takes forever to connect, change directories, and upload/download files |
| 02:05.33 | karsten | Cooner750: Sure. RAM, CPU, disk, or network. One of the above, possibly more. |
| 02:05.45 | ZzZzSputnik | hi! i have debian sarge on a P2 with a graphic card onboard... my maximum resolution is 640x480... is there a way to get more resolution options? |
| 02:05.57 | Cooner750 | How do I seee any of those stats? CPU usage? network usage? |
| 02:06.07 | Cooner750 | I dont know how in Debian, I do have Gnome installed and running |
| 02:06.08 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: What's your card and/or monitor? What video driver are you using under X? |
| 02:06.12 | Cooner750 | so I can use something graphical |
| 02:06.34 | Cooner750 | I just need to fix proftpd |
| 02:06.38 | karsten | Cooner750: top, ps, free, vmstat, iostat. I don't have a good network monitor off th etop of my head. |
| 02:06.55 | karsten | Cooner750: IIRC atop or ntop for network. |
| 02:06.55 | _Atomo64_ | Cooner750: htop, pstree -p, ... |
| 02:07.06 | g333k | It is weird I have debian etch in my Desktop, and I use gnome X manager, but dpkg -L tells me that the pkg gnome is not installed |
| 02:07.13 | Cooner750 | it was working fine before I shut the server down to clean the heatsink and turned it back on |
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| 02:07.24 | karsten | g333k: There is no one "gnome" package. |
| 02:07.30 | dvs | g333k: gnome is a meta package |
| 02:07.31 | karsten | g333k: dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome |
| 02:07.45 | g333k | dvs, what is a meta pkg? |
| 02:07.57 | dvs | g333k: A package that installs other packages |
| 02:08.02 | _Atomo64_ | g333k: an other package 'provides' it |
| 02:08.05 | karsten | dvs: It's a package, but meta. |
| 02:08.09 | _Atomo64_ | whatever |
| 02:08.15 | g333k | dvs, so I dont need it installed?¡ |
| 02:08.16 | dvs | !slap karsten |
| 02:08.20 | dvs | g333k: no |
| 02:08.23 | karsten | dvs: Usually a package which consists only of dependencies on other packages. |
| 02:08.28 | karsten | dvs: ;-) |
| 02:08.30 | ZzZzSputnik | monitor sony 17" and SC: hmm, there is a chip that says SMSC, some with Intel, and 1 with cyrstal |
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| 02:09.00 | ZzZzSputnik | monitor Multiscan 17SEII |
| 02:09.06 | _Atomo64_ | g333k: it's like the kde package... if you install it, it will install the whole bounch of packs... kdenetwork, kdeadmin, kdepim, kdegaims, kdeedutainment, etc... |
| 02:09.07 | Cooner750 | any utility to show CPU usage? |
| 02:09.13 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:09.33 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: I'd think that can do at least 1024x768 if not better. |
| 02:09.34 | g333k | I see |
| 02:09.38 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: Monitor. |
| 02:10.05 | g333k | A lighweight browser? |
| 02:10.13 | ZzZzSputnik | 0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 02) |
| 02:10.21 | g333k | A lighweight web browser? |
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| 02:10.34 | karsten | g333k: There aren't any which don't suck. |
| 02:10.40 | Cooner750 | I know I am not seeing heavy network usage, or else the network activity light on smoothwall would be on constantly |
| 02:10.49 | g333k | karsten, there must be one |
| 02:10.49 | dvs | ZzZzSputnik: i810 driver |
| 02:10.52 | ZzZzSputnik | xrandr |
| 02:10.52 | karsten | g333k: opera, firefox, browsex. |
| 02:10.58 | karsten | g333k: elinks2 might work. |
| 02:11.39 | ZzZzSputnik | ? i810 driver ? |
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| 02:12.22 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: aptitude install xserver-xorg; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:12.27 | Cooner750 | I am unsure of what to do. I need FTP to work |
| 02:12.30 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: Select the i810 driver when it asks for driver. |
| 02:13.08 | ZzZzSputnik | okidok |
| 02:13.23 | Cooner750 | any other FTP servers that are easy to setup? |
| 02:13.29 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: monitor itself supports to 1600x1200 per this: http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/sony/multiscan17seii.html |
| 02:13.36 | Cooner750 | and can be configured using SSH? |
| 02:13.48 | karsten | !!ftpd |
| 02:13.52 | karsten | !ftpd |
| 02:13.52 | dpkg | [ftpd] the daemon that speaks the FTP protocol. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it), wu-ftpd (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq lately), and proftpd which is somewhere in between |
| 02:14.05 | dvs | ZzZzSputnik: use Horiz as 30-85 and Vert as 48-150 |
| 02:14.15 | nxtw | theres also a few others |
| 02:14.20 | nxtw | i believe |
| 02:14.33 | Cooner750 | Anything with a GUI I can setup quickly, since I have physical access to the server for the time being? |
| 02:14.39 | ZzZzSputnik | !paste |
| 02:14.40 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 02:14.51 | karsten | !tell Cooner750 about repeat |
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| 02:15.23 | karsten | Cooner750: I don't think there's anyone with specific advice for you. Either do your own research or try a different channel / mailinglist. |
| 02:15.57 | ZzZzSputnik | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 02:16.27 | dvs | ZzZzSputnik: that didn't do anything |
| 02:16.43 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: Paste your link, not the paste channel itself. |
| 02:16.55 | ZzZzSputnik | oops |
| 02:17.05 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3517 ? |
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| 02:17.21 | ZzZzSputnik | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3517 |
| 02:17.48 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: Can you set LANG=C before doing that? |
| 02:18.28 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: You running sarge or etch? |
| 02:19.19 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: xserver-xorg isn't in sarge, so won't be found. If etch (testing/unstable), run a 'aptitude update' first. |
| 02:19.21 | ZzZzSputnik | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3519 **Sarge** |
| 02:19.26 | ZzZzSputnik | :D |
| 02:19.48 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: aptitude update; aptitude install xserver-xfree86; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 02:20.14 | karsten | Interesting, LANG=C didn't change localization. |
| 02:20.41 | dvs | karsten: if it was set right |
| 02:20.43 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: Maybe 'export LANG=C' |
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| 02:20.49 | dbe | Does anyone here know how to restore the last primary bootable ext3 partition (that existed before the current one) with testdisk? testdisk lists tons of partitions so it's not just to pick one. |
| 02:20.52 | karsten | dvs: ?? |
| 02:21.09 | karsten | dbe: ?? |
| 02:21.12 | karsten | dbe: What's the problem? |
| 02:21.14 | ZzZzSputnik | should i do vesa |
| 02:21.20 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: i810 |
| 02:21.25 | dvs | ZzZzSputnik: we already said i810 |
| 02:21.26 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: And that's a "no". |
| 02:21.38 | ZzZzSputnik | oh yea .9 |
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| 02:21.51 | dbe | karsten, I have reinstalled Debian so the old primary partition is removed and I need to restore it. |
| 02:22.05 | karsten | dbe: Define "removed" and "restore". |
| 02:22.51 | karsten | dbe: Mucking with a partition table is generally not recommended. Is there a problem with your current partition table? Are you trying to marke a partition bootable (not necessary w/ grub/lilo)? What? |
| 02:23.22 | dbe | karsten, I have lost my databases. |
| 02:23.39 | kminor | i first installed slackware linux when i was 15 in 1997 and thought Xfree86 stood for it's 1986 developement release...shows how much I knew ;)....i wish i woulda had stayed with linux though :/ i lost alot of time >| |
| 02:23.41 | karsten | dbe: Um. Non-sequitur. |
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| 02:23.48 | mynullvoid | how can I delete email sent to all@abc.com if it is coming from non @abc.com? |
| 02:24.00 | ZzZzSputnik | AND WHAT SHOULD I CALL MY gc, OR CAN I LEAVEW IT STANDARD? |
| 02:24.00 | dbe | karsten, ? |
| 02:24.55 | Kevin` | mynullvoid what mail server.. or did you say that already |
| 02:24.56 | dvs | ZzZzSputnik: Leave it standard |
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| 02:25.16 | karsten | mynullvoid: procmail is your friend. |
| 02:25.17 | ZzZzSputnik | and xfree86? |
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| 02:25.36 | dvs | ZzZzSputnik: huh? |
| 02:25.45 | dvs | ZzZzSputnik: what does the question say? |
| 02:25.51 | dbe | karsten, So have you restored partitions before? |
| 02:26.09 | dbe | karsten, I have done that with testdisk but I don't know how to sort the partitions by date etc. |
| 02:26.30 | karsten | ZzZzSputnik: Name for graphics card doesn't matter. I usually copy the lspci line. |
| 02:26.45 | dvs | !geek karsten |
| 02:26.47 | karsten | dbe: I've done some partition surgery, yes. I recommend gparted for the task. |
| 02:26.49 | dvs | :-D |
| 02:26.51 | ZzZzSputnik | well itas in german but has something to do with XKB... it asks for Xfree86 but i am able to write something else instead |
| 02:26.54 | karsten | dvs: Yeah, yeah. |
| 02:26.55 | liable | doesnt it do that itself anyway |
| 02:27.11 | ZzZzSputnik | rules |
| 02:27.16 | karsten | dvs: ... I hand-rebuilt the table based on my usenet-posted partitioning howto, which had the old partition table listed in it ;-) |
| 02:27.42 | karsten | dvs: One reason I run 'fdisk -l' on all partitions and store the output somewhere offline, should the need arise. |
| 02:28.01 | dbe | karsten, you mean parted (as packagename). |
| 02:28.11 | karsten | dbe: What's this "I lost my databases" you were nattering about? |
| 02:28.13 | dvs | karsten: I just spend the money and bought Norton Ghost |
| 02:28.29 | dbe | karsten, pgsql |
| 02:29.44 | mynullvoid | Karzten: postfix maildir, I am using procmail |
| 02:29.50 | karsten | dbe: Yeah, that's it. Norton Ghost is wasted money. |
| 02:30.06 | karsten | dbe: Um, that's a consequence of th eissue, hardly relevant information. |
| 02:30.38 | karsten | dbe: If you've got the spare disk space, I'd recommend imaging the entire disk somewhere to preserve state. And how did your partition table come to be corrupted? |
| 02:31.12 | karsten | mynullvoid: If you're trying to filter incoming mail, you can use a rule matching '^To: <address>' and divert that as needed. |
| 02:31.14 | nxtw | is there anything bad about making 3 sata controllers all run on the same irq? |
| 02:31.33 | karsten | mynullvoid: If you've got an extant mailbox, my own preference is to open it in mutt and use mutt's filtering/moving capabilities. |
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| 02:33.13 | karsten | mynullvoid: You can also use formail to deal with stuff, but I've found it somewhat difficult to work with. |
| 02:33.53 | karsten | mynullvoid: ... though with maildir, you can also process the messages one-at-a-time through procmail rules. |
| 02:34.21 | mynullvoid | karsten: yes but how can I do the 'if not'? |
| 02:34.31 | karsten | mynullvoid: if not what/ |
| 02:34.45 | g333k | wow! it seems that 32M of RAm are not enough to run firefox, it takes a lot |
| 02:34.53 | nxtw | opera probably works better. |
| 02:34.55 | karsten | mynullvoid: man procmailex and see the procmail FAQ. |
| 02:34.58 | nxtw | it did on windows with 64mb. |
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| 02:35.03 | nxtw | firefox was unusable, opera was tolerable. |
| 02:35.08 | karsten | g333k: 32MB is really, really, really pitiful RAM. |
| 02:35.15 | g333k | yep :( |
| 02:35.22 | jetscreamer | so what's the deal with gtk and sid upgrade |
| 02:35.26 | karsten | g333k: Stick with text-mode browsers>. |
| 02:35.38 | g333k | karsten, I'm running ICEwm |
| 02:35.43 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 02:35.47 | nxtw | how do i set the label of a disk |
| 02:35.48 | g333k | it is running well |
| 02:35.53 | dvs | nxtw: e2label |
| 02:35.59 | nxtw | thanks |
| 02:36.08 | jetscreamer | try the SilverXP theme.. that and yamm are good, g333k |
| 02:36.09 | dvs | nxtw: for ext2 filesystem right? |
| 02:36.15 | nxtw | right now. |
| 02:36.15 | mynullvoid | karsten: delete all email if sent to all@abc.com and not from @abc.com |
| 02:36.22 | nxtw | does each fs have its own command? |
| 02:36.44 | dvs | nxtw: I guess. I know that only works with ext2/3 |
| 02:36.45 | g333k | jetscreamer, what it is yamm? |
| 02:36.52 | mynullvoid | karsten: i only want to allow my user to send email to all@abc.com |
| 02:36.54 | jetscreamer | g333k: a theme |
| 02:37.03 | karsten | mynullvoid: man procmailex. See the procmail faq |
| 02:37.12 | karsten | mynullvoid: GIYF. |
| 02:37.13 | jetscreamer | g333k: SilverXP and yamm are icewm-themes |
| 02:37.16 | jetscreamer | in^ |
| 02:37.25 | jetscreamer | themes for icewm... :) |
| 02:37.44 | karsten | mynullvoid: Those specific examples are given. First rule: from user and to user: save. All other to user: nuke. |
| 02:37.46 | jetscreamer | g333k: and icewm-gnome is best looking fonts imo |
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| 02:38.15 | jesseman_ | the best fonts are in WinXP |
| 02:38.18 | karsten | mynullvoid: Set those up sequentially and you'll get the desired reslts. I'd recommend setting this up with a filtered "nuked" mailbox rather than /dev/null until you're sure you've got it right. |
| 02:38.18 | jesseman_ | I KID I KID |
| 02:38.28 | jetscreamer | !info msttcorefonts |
| 02:38.32 | karsten | jesseman_: /msg dpkg msttcorefonts |
| 02:38.35 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 02:38.37 | karsten | jetscreamer: ;-) |
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| 02:38.49 | jesseman_ | everyone calm down, I was kidding |
| 02:38.57 | jetscreamer | !pal jesseman_ |
| 02:39.19 | jesseman_ | uproariously is not a word |
| 02:39.22 | jesseman_ | :D |
| 02:39.46 | dvs | !dict uproariously |
| 02:39.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'uproariously' in a hilarious manner; "hilariously funny" [syn: {hilariously}] |
| 02:39.51 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=uproariously&sourceid=mozilla&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 02:39.53 | Flash_ | -!- Causing or accompanied by an uproar: "an uproarious New Year's party." |
| 02:39.58 | dvs | !pal jesseman_ |
| 02:40.03 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 02:40.24 | jesseman_ | owned |
| 02:40.28 | jesseman_ | !owned |
| 02:40.28 | dpkg | OMG LOL WTF!!!! YOU GOT P0WNED!!!!!! (yes, you really sound that way) |
| 02:40.33 | jesseman_ | yes, i did |
| 02:40.40 | jetscreamer | ZOMG! |
| 02:40.44 | g333k | The Best lightweight web browser? |
| 02:40.50 | jesseman_ | lynx |
| 02:40.56 | Vituz | w3c |
| 02:41.05 | jetscreamer | i liike firefox actually nowadays, it took me a while |
| 02:41.09 | jetscreamer | the sid version though |
| 02:41.15 | Kevin` | firefox is NOT light |
| 02:41.15 | jesseman_ | opera? |
| 02:41.19 | jetscreamer | dillo |
| 02:41.26 | jetscreamer | konq |
| 02:41.27 | Kevin` | I use links usually in text |
| 02:41.29 | jesseman_ | omg internets explorer is the pwn |
| 02:41.29 | Kevin` | dillo is ok |
| 02:41.45 | jesseman_ | it was already on my desktop :P |
| 02:41.46 | ootput | w3m is still my favorite |
| 02:41.54 | jetscreamer | lynx links elinks elinks2... w3c or so... amaya |
| 02:41.56 | ootput | but polls are stupid |
| 02:41.58 | jetscreamer | amaya lol |
| 02:42.36 | jesseman_ | konqeror is fun |
| 02:42.37 | jetscreamer | i like seamonkey too... aka mozilla |
| 02:42.47 | jesseman_ | seamonkey has a great HTML buddy |
| 02:42.56 | jetscreamer | netscape 7 was a tight application in linux |
| 02:42.59 | jetscreamer | but alas |
| 02:43.07 | jesseman_ | AOL 3 was the damn shizzle |
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| 02:43.31 | jesseman_ | you could browse the internet and kick people by cycling HTML colors |
| 02:43.42 | jetscreamer | build_sam_account: smbpasswd database is corrupt! username Debian-exim with uid 102 is not in unix passwd database! |
| 02:43.42 | jesseman_ | it paid for itself in laughter |
| 02:43.47 | jetscreamer | ^^ what to do |
| 02:43.57 | dark_light | somebody can tell me how mantain a package installed with --force-depends? aptitude wants to remove it =/ |
| 02:44.04 | jetscreamer | i know nothing of exim |
| 02:44.08 | jetscreamer | put it on hold |
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| 02:44.31 | hobophobe | I have an instance of grep that won't die, even after trying kill |
| 02:44.45 | jetscreamer | try killall ? |
| 02:44.59 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 02:45.00 | Kevin` | try kill -9, or fix the I/O problem |
| 02:45.17 | karsten | hobophobe: pstree may show the hung parent/child process. |
| 02:45.27 | kminor | -9 |
| 02:46.11 | hobophobe | how do I find the IO problem to fix it? |
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| 02:46.18 | Kevin` | what did you grep |
| 02:46.20 | hobophobe | the pstree just shows grep |
| 02:46.28 | karsten | g333k: I use w3m for textmode. Dillo's too broken/primitive for much. elinks2 is a pretty good text/gui crossover browser. BrowseX (Tcl-based) is among the smallest-footprint, though it behaves oddly, full-featured with SSL and Javascript support. |
| 02:46.30 | jesseman_ | ps -A |
| 02:46.37 | jesseman_ | thatll list everything |
| 02:46.41 | hobophobe | I used the built in search for files thing to search for text in files |
| 02:46.43 | kminor | -aux |
| 02:46.56 | karsten | hobophobe: pstree -p | grep -C4 [g]rep |
| 02:47.10 | Kevin` | hobophobe do you have any remote filesystems or unreliable? |
| 02:47.17 | jetscreamer | is there a Debian-exim group? |
| 02:47.36 | hobophobe | It's an ntfs partition it is trying to search |
| 02:48.09 | Kevin` | what driver are you using for ntfs |
| 02:48.27 | Kevin` | i've never had any problems like that myself, but it sounds like the problem |
| 02:48.32 | liable | jetscreamer: i seem to have one.. |
| 02:48.50 | hobophobe | I believe libntfs9, but I have both 8 and 9 installed |
| 02:48.58 | g333k | karsten, elinks2 is just for character mode? o also X mode? |
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| 02:50.44 | liable | !moo |
| 02:50.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:50.45 | dvs | @wb |
| 02:50.47 | ravenbird | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 02:51.02 | hobophobe | The process has status D, what is that? Would maybe modifying the niceness of the process effect ability to kill it? |
| 02:51.30 | hobophobe | D = uninterruptable? |
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| 02:52.05 | Cooner750 | Does anyone know where I could get help with my FTP problem then? |
| 02:52.47 | Kevin` | ftp problem? |
| 02:52.56 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg ide-cdrom |
| 02:52.56 | dpkg | methinks ide-cdrom is make menuconfig, ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support ---> IDE, ATA and ATAPI Block devices ---> <M> Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support. |
| 02:53.13 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg ide-scsi |
| 02:53.14 | dpkg | [ide-scsi] a horrible kludge (Linus says something like this: http://programming.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/09/1341236 ) and you don't need it to run CD record in Debian anyway http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/339#comment_5 |
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| 02:53.23 | Cooner750 | I have proftpd installed and working with TLS, but it's running really, really slow. Connecting, changing directories, and adding, uploading files takes forever |
| 02:53.51 | bbelt16ag | i am confued nero says i need ide-scsi to burn but dpkg says i dont.... who is lying? |
| 02:54.16 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg nero |
| 02:54.16 | dpkg | from memory, nero is a roman emperor, or a coon A program written for M$Windows that can burn cds, among other things. crap |
| 02:54.32 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg nerolinux |
| 02:54.47 | bbelt16ag | ah HA! |
| 02:54.54 | Kevin` | bbelt16ag do you have a 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:54.59 | bbelt16ag | yes i do kevin |
| 02:55.11 | bbelt16ag | so does that mean i cant use nerolinux? |
| 02:55.15 | Kevin` | get ide-scsi then.. I think any cd recording program will need it |
| 02:55.30 | bbelt16ag | i cant find it with apt-get |
| 02:55.52 | Kevin` | it's a kernel module, not sure what it would be called as I build my own :/ |
| 02:56.16 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 02:56.17 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 02:56.20 | Cooner750 | How can I remove packages using apt-get? |
| 02:56.30 | Kevin` | apt-get remove? |
| 02:56.59 | g333k | yep |
| 02:57.04 | karsten | g333k: As I've said a few times: it's a crossover browser: both text and GUI modes. |
| 02:57.23 | karsten | Cooner750: man apt-get |
| 02:57.26 | karsten | !tell Cooner750 about aptitude |
| 02:57.37 | karsten | Cooner750: Use aptitude instead, in general. |
| 02:57.59 | g333k | karsten, I thought that the crossover word refers to a app that works in many plattaforms, ie. Many OS's |
| 02:58.05 | karsten | g333k: Not as I'm using hte term. |
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| 02:58.45 | karsten | g333k: Multi-platform is the specific term for that characteristic. Most Linux apps are effectively cross-platform by use of ports or porting toolkits. |
| 02:59.09 | karsten | g333k: Eg: you can run them on Linux, various distros, *BSD, 'Nix, OS X, and Windows via Cygwin or similar. |
| 02:59.22 | karsten | g333k: crossover simply means spanning two worlds. |
| 02:59.31 | g333k | ok |
| 03:01.24 | bbelt16ag | i dont think its worth it hehe |
| 03:01.34 | bbelt16ag | i just burn stuf in windows |
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| 03:01.42 | bbelt16ag | since i can see my ext3 drives |
| 03:02.07 | bbelt16ag | i got a wierd question i suppose |
| 03:02.09 | kminor | get Nero Linux |
| 03:02.21 | kminor | real easy to install |
| 03:02.26 | bbelt16ag | i got nero linux it complains about not having ide-scsi |
| 03:02.32 | bbelt16ag | i got ide-cdrom |
| 03:02.40 | joejaxx | good cross platform svn ide client ? anyone know of one? |
| 03:03.03 | bbelt16ag | how hard would it be to save my setup and upgrade my kernel? |
| 03:03.13 | Kevin` | easy |
| 03:03.15 | bbelt16ag | with leaving my packges and files alone? |
| 03:03.28 | bbelt16ag | could i install 2.6 and still have my 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:03.36 | Kevin` | it'd probably be just apt-get install <some 2.6 kernel> |
| 03:03.40 | Kevin` | reboot |
| 03:03.40 | Kevin` | done |
| 03:03.44 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:04.12 | Kevin` | why do you need nerolinux |
| 03:04.19 | bbelt16ag | casue i like it |
| 03:04.24 | liable | bbelt16ag: yes, you can have as amny kernels installed as you wish |
| 03:04.26 | Kevin` | doesn't it cost money? |
| 03:04.38 | bbelt16ag | and its what i am use to no cdrecord, and i want to burn dvds |
| 03:04.42 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:04.54 | Kevin` | I use growisofs for dvds |
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| 03:04.56 | bbelt16ag | i know dumb question, i keep forgetting stuff, i been off linux for like 6 months, |
| 03:04.59 | liable | growisofs is fairly simple to use |
| 03:05.21 | Kevin` | i'm sure there are gnome/kde frontends that will do it all for you, too |
| 03:05.33 | Kevin` | but I like text mode |
| 03:06.02 | Kevin` | btw, they will all have the same requirement for ide-scsi or 2.6, it's not a nero thing |
| 03:10.09 | bbelt16ag | i know its not anero thing |
| 03:10.27 | bbelt16ag | yes but they are annoying to setup and nero works out of the box in 2.6 |
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| 03:13.41 | dos000 | anyone has tips in debugging svn/apache ?? i am going crazy here |
| 03:14.42 | kminor | exit |
| 03:14.57 | kminor | wopps |
| 03:15.06 | kminor | imlaggd |
| 03:15.43 | nxtw | has anyone here used web100 before? |
| 03:16.42 | bws42 | I thought we were on web 2.0? |
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| 03:17.07 | nxtw | its a kernel patch/tuning app that supposedly increases tcp speed |
| 03:17.17 | ootput | he probably omitted the '.' in web 1.00 |
| 03:17.25 | bws42 | sorry, I was kidding, and no I can't say I've used that |
| 03:17.27 | nxtw | http://www.web100.org |
| 03:17.42 | nxtw | anyone used openvz or vserver then? |
| 03:17.42 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg .bashrc |
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| 03:20.41 | Heston | I am amazed at how fast gnome runs on debian |
| 03:21.54 | tuv | nxtw, there are vserver and xen-ready kernels in debian now. no more patching |
| 03:22.06 | nxtw | I need to patch anyway for evms |
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| 03:44.07 | dragonfly | i'm running Debian sarge and looking for a good java applet viewer |
| 03:44.25 | dragonfly | cant find one on google |
| 03:45.57 | findme | dragonfly, define applet viewer. a browser can view applets. |
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| 03:46.15 | werdna_ | if the DEA was doing a sting OP here and we asked are ayou DEA do they have to answer legally that they are? |
| 03:47.01 | dragonfly | findme, i can do that, but i have to clear the cache and close all browser instances between each run during development...i'm looking for something so that I can load and test in a more efficient manner |
| 03:47.32 | findme | dragonfly, try #java . http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/tooldocs/win32/appletviewer.html |
| 03:47.43 | luka | hi, any body know how can I Unistall relplayer? (I installed it from .bin file) |
| 03:47.53 | dragonfly | i saw that but thought it was just a windows version...there is a linux port? |
| 03:48.50 | liable | luka: did it install docs? they prolly tell you how to |
| 03:48.58 | liable | luka: /usr/share/doc |
| 03:50.13 | luka | liable: npe; |
| 03:50.20 | dragonfly | findme, that describes it and how to use it, but where can i get it? |
| 03:50.30 | luka | %s/npe/nope/gI |
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| 03:51.19 | findme | dragonfly, I believe it should be part of the download of JDK. http://www.cafeaulait.org/books/jdr/chapters/02.html |
| 03:51.59 | karsten | werdna_: Sorry? |
| 03:53.09 | findme | dragonfly, this confirms that it should be part of JDK . http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2570 |
| 03:53.39 | dragonfly | if i install the Sun JDK from source will it overwrite the java tools that I already have installed? |
| 03:54.28 | findme | dragonfly, you can install in different location. Try #java they will be able to guide you in detail. |
| 03:54.40 | dragonfly | ok, thank you |
| 03:55.18 | findme | dragonfly, np |
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| 04:09.33 | liable | !boring |
| 04:09.33 | dpkg | yes, you are liable |
| 04:09.40 | liable | :) |
| 04:09.49 | bws42 | !bored |
| 04:09.50 | dpkg | i heard bored is something that you are when you are asking apt stupid questions like "tell me about bored", or what you are when you ask apt stupid questions like "What is bored?", or check http://www.freshmeat.net/random/, or check the debian user homepages, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or <reply> only boring people get bored |
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| 04:10.10 | bws42 | lol |
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| 04:13.38 | ugly | I have two debian testing boxes - one displays ncurses menus properly while in a 'screen' session, but the other doesn't - they both have "screen" for their $TERM |
| 04:13.47 | ugly | the one that doesn't is totally distorted |
| 04:13.59 | ugly | and I'm viewing both from aterms |
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| 04:15.38 | karsten | ugly: locale / i18n? |
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| 04:17.26 | ugly | sec |
| 04:18.24 | ugly | ah, interesting, the one that works is LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15, but the other is en_US.UTF-8 |
| 04:18.39 | ugly | I'll change locale |
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| 04:23.28 | ugly | yep that fixed it, thanks |
| 04:23.37 | karsten | NP. |
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| 04:25.21 | ugly | I'm trying to set up my laptop in this way: both the external monitor and built-in LCD are usable, ideally at the same time with the same image (desktop, etc. - I don't want xinerama stuff) - is this possible? |
| 04:25.34 | ugly | in X, at least |
| 04:26.12 | ugly | and, if so, would X refuse to start in this setup if the external monitor wasn't plugged in? |
| 04:28.46 | Pons | ugly, that is a video card setting |
| 04:28.50 | Pons | X should bother |
| 04:28.59 | Pons | *shouldn't |
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| 04:29.28 | dansushi | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typesd it in right- it worked in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Anyone have any idea what is wrong? |
| 04:30.43 | ugly | Pons: ok, could you be any more specific? |
| 04:30.58 | ugly | outside of X, I don't really know where to start.. |
| 04:31.00 | Pons | what is your notebook's video card |
| 04:31.13 | ugly | intel 945gm |
| 04:31.13 | karsten | ugly: ... and inside of X, it's too dark to read. |
| 04:31.18 | karsten | ugly: ... wait, wrong joke. |
| 04:31.32 | ugly | I don't get it, but I'm tired so :P |
| 04:31.36 | karsten | ugly: Yes, that's actually "standard" dual-head setup. |
| 04:31.50 | karsten | ugly: Groucho Marx: Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. |
| 04:31.57 | karsten | ugly: ... inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. |
| 04:32.10 | ugly | ah, I'm 20, I don't know groucho marx references |
| 04:32.21 | ugly | ;) |
| 04:32.32 | karsten | ugly: Fix that! |
| 04:32.53 | ugly | Pons: well, when I have the external monitor displaying an image, the LCD display is blank |
| 04:32.56 | ugly | and vice versa |
| 04:33.12 | Pons | you should have a key combination |
| 04:33.13 | karsten | ugly: What laptop? |
| 04:33.15 | Pons | that does the trick |
| 04:33.20 | Pons | Fn+Fx |
| 04:33.31 | karsten | ugly: That's frequently a HW feature. |
| 04:33.33 | ugly | dell (yeah yeah, I know) inspiron e1405 |
| 04:33.52 | ugly | Pons: there's a key for switching between the two |
| 04:34.09 | ugly | which doesn't even seem to respond at this point |
| 04:34.27 | Pons | there are probably 3 combinations LAPTOP only - LCD + LAPTOP - LCD only |
| 04:34.39 | ugly | hmm |
| 04:34.57 | Pons | nvidia's for example, have a program that does that |
| 04:35.24 | Pons | ati's i mean |
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| 04:36.16 | ugly | any idea why function keys are unresponsive? |
| 04:36.29 | Pons | dell = windows |
| 04:36.34 | ugly | yeah :( |
| 04:36.46 | ugly | and no hardware monitoring in the mobo - loved discovering that |
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| 04:38.15 | Pons | ugly, |
| 04:38.25 | EnsignRedshirt | I'm using the gnome desktop. Is there a simple way to add a submenu in Applications? |
| 04:38.31 | Pons | you are using the intel driver |
| 04:38.41 | Pons | or the one that came with debian? |
| 04:38.51 | ugly | kernel or X? |
| 04:38.54 | mama_pitufo | I have a couple of dell laptops, and on both the Fn+X combos work with stock kernel, FWIW |
| 04:39.01 | ugly | well, in either case, debian :P |
| 04:39.04 | Pons | X |
| 04:39.04 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : what DE ? |
| 04:39.15 | Pons | mm |
| 04:39.21 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : doh ! GNOME |
| 04:39.22 | Pons | you might try intel's linux driver |
| 04:39.25 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: DE? |
| 04:39.30 | Pons | it might have a control panel or so... |
| 04:39.44 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : DE = Desktop Env |
| 04:39.53 | ugly | Pons: ah, wasn't aware of one - I'll look into it |
| 04:39.57 | EnsignRedshirt | gnome |
| 04:40.32 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : In KDE (K Desktop Env) it's easy to do from right - click the Kmenu |
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| 04:41.04 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : Gnome - I don't know -- check the "control Panel" |
| 04:41.17 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: Apparently right-click doesn't work that way in gnome. |
| 04:41.33 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : ok then |
| 04:41.35 | Pons | ugly, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_950 |
| 04:41.38 | Pons | check that out |
| 04:41.42 | Pons | it explains some things |
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| 04:43.10 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : try google [ add a submenu "Gnome" ] |
| 04:43.45 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: I'll try... I'm also in #gnome now. |
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| 04:45.49 | putridx_ | how can I check to see if I have "libltdl3-devel" installed? |
| 04:46.15 | liable | putridx_: dpkg -l foopackage |
| 04:46.18 | mama_pitufo | dpkg -l |
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| 04:46.32 | EnsignRedshirt | How about this: Can I add my own menu to the menu bar? The options available when I right-click the menu bar don't appear to include a menu. |
| 04:46.34 | putridx_ | thanks |
| 04:46.39 | mama_pitufo | putridx_, in debian the dev library packages are called libfoo-dev |
| 04:46.56 | cr3 | is there a way to access a http(s) server with a browser through an ssh proxy? |
| 04:51.28 | mama_pitufo | cr3, the https 'proxy' should allow the client do a CONNECT to the https server |
| 04:52.09 | mama_pitufo | cr3, sorry... misread your question :P you mean do a tunnel to a https server using ssh? |
| 04:53.22 | Nowak | lol |
| 04:53.26 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: You probably don't care, but the menu can be edited by entering applications:/// in Nautilus. What a goofy system... |
| 04:54.15 | cr3 | mama_pitufo: I've been trying to figure out how to do that, seems rather complicated |
| 04:55.36 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : it's good to know and many many others are lurking nonetheless, so 'sharing' info is BIG :-) thanks |
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| 04:56.13 | mama_pitufo | cr3, if you want to do an ssh tunnel from host a to host b and connect to a http server in b, check ssh's -L flag... something like `ssh -L 8080:localhost:80 user@host` should do it.. you can then point the browser in a to http://localhost:8080/ |
| 04:56.57 | cr3 | mama_pitufo: cool! it works, thanks |
| 04:57.56 | karsten | crYes |
| 04:58.01 | mama_pitufo | cr3, you're welcome :) ssh's -L and -R options are very useful, check the man |
| 04:58.01 | multi_io | Linux enduser hindrance #2736724: ejecting a just inserted, unmounted, never used CD works only as root on 2.6.17 |
| 04:58.13 | multi_io | (and only programmatically) |
| 04:58.57 | cr3 | mama_pitufo: will do, that is really cool! |
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| 04:59.07 | karsten | mama_pitufo: Are you familiar with the tunneling option (-w) which is a recent add AFAIK. |
| 04:59.39 | mama_pitufo | karsten, no. but I'm checking it right now, thanks |
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| 05:00.36 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : and no , I personally don't care about gnome apps :-) ..even though for some b0z0 reason , the deb team decided it's the default DE...though KDE is made from C++/C# which I loathe... I would use GNOME instead BUT, if only I could tell a 'tick' from an 'untick' in app settings |
| 05:01.24 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt : Gnome is C - and fast :-) but someone sucks at visual |
| 05:01.53 | mama_pitufo | karsten, cool option... |
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| 05:04.09 | [AGS]Serialkille | hi all! |
| 05:04.27 | [AGS]Serialkille | Anyone familair with daemon tools logging setup? |
| 05:04.59 | mama_pitufo | [AGS]Serialkille, multilog? |
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| 05:06.46 | g333k | How can I know which where the last pkgs that I installed? |
| 05:06.58 | enouf | ponders GNOME crud ... to tick/untick ... what a dump! -- much worse than windoze 9x even ... stone age b0z0s - yippee ...what a fscken dump! |
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| 05:07.16 | karsten | mama_pitufo: Yeah, just ran into it here a couple of days ago, haven't seen it used yet. |
| 05:07.17 | multi_io | g333k: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 05:07.17 | enouf | g333k: wtf ? |
| 05:07.25 | jrattner1 | solarce, so have you had success syncing either of those devices? |
| 05:07.35 | g333k | enouf, wtf what? |
| 05:07.45 | jrattner1 | QUESTION: Anyone here successfully sync a Treo 650 or Treo 700p ? |
| 05:07.45 | enouf | where ? |
| 05:07.54 | enouf | g333k: where ? |
| 05:08.34 | g333k | enouf, How can I know which were the last pkgs that I installed?* (sorry) |
| 05:08.57 | enouf | g333k: look in /var somewhere -- and check your mail |
| 05:09.02 | multi_io | g333k: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 05:09.13 | [AGS]Serialkille | mama_pitufo : yes |
| 05:09.32 | g333k | multi_io, thanks |
| 05:09.34 | mama_pitufo | [AGS]Serialkille, what do you need to know? |
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| 05:09.45 | [AGS]Serialkille | mama_pitufo " can we do this pm |
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| 05:10.50 | enouf | g333k: I was NOT picking on your language capabilities (I suck at 2nd and 3rd languages), but didn't understand your question... |
| 05:11.22 | g333k | multi_io, I dont have that file |
| 05:11.36 | [AGS]Serialkille | i get out put from scripts, with no logging, |
| 05:11.54 | g333k | enouf, ohhh I have installed one pkg that installed some pkgs, I want to know the name of these pkgs to remove them |
| 05:12.13 | karsten | Anyone have a good RealPlayer stream player that's *not* realplayer? |
| 05:12.23 | karsten | ... and that deals with .smil files. |
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| 05:12.56 | multi_io | g333k: well that's strange :-} |
| 05:13.01 | karsten | ... and rtsp://<url>/foo.rm file formats. |
| 05:13.08 | enouf | g333k: do a 'cd /var/log' then to view some of them, you need to be root, so use 'sudo' |
| 05:13.27 | multi_io | g333k: the logfile is set in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg, look there. |
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| 05:13.37 | enouf | g333k: oh ? ok -- wait a sec |
| 05:14.05 | g333k | How can I chose the windows manager? |
| 05:14.55 | multi_io | g333k: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 05:15.21 | enouf | g333k: apt-cache show <packagename> should show you the pckg andd dependencies, and 'apt-get --purge remove <pkgname>' should remove it atotally |
| 05:17.23 | g333k | multi_io, I dont have that file either |
| 05:17.58 | g333k | multi_io, I have a dselect.cfg maybe is the equivalent right? |
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| 05:20.19 | g333k | :( |
| 05:20.25 | cr3 | how can I determine which kernel was loaded and whether that kernel is smp? |
| 05:20.43 | multi_io | cr3: uname -a |
| 05:20.45 | Tallu | uname -a |
| 05:21.00 | multi_io | g333k: that's very strange, really :) |
| 05:21.18 | g333k | cr3, uname -r, if you see the smp word at the end you have the smp kernel |
| 05:21.24 | g333k | multi_io, I use sarge |
| 05:21.26 | multi_io | dselect.cfg is for dselect, not for dpkg (which dselect uses) |
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| 05:22.30 | g333k | multi_io, so how can I find the last pkgs installed? |
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| 05:24.49 | multi_io | g333k: I'm afraid I don't know, then |
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| 05:25.43 | multi_io | g333k: maybe try to dpkg -i somepackage.deb directly to see whether it creates/writes to the log file |
| 05:25.50 | enouf | g333k: you should have a 'mail' aleast about it |
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| 05:26.04 | enouf | atleast* |
| 05:26.43 | g333k | enouf, mail file? |
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| 05:28.33 | enouf | g333k : /var/mail <username> |
| 05:29.03 | dos000 | is there a way to checout a file in svn ... looks like it wants only a dir |
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| 05:29.53 | g333k | enouf, nothing |
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| 05:30.57 | enouf | g333k : networked OS ? |
| 05:31.03 | ice_1963 | blackbox is up and running on my pII 333 :) |
| 05:31.43 | odla | can someone help me with this error that i'm getting when i insert a usb device in kde A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") |
| 05:31.54 | enouf | g333k : " nothing " can mean "command not found" - you MUST relay the exact errors |
| 05:32.52 | g333k | when I enter to aptitude, I see some pkgs in purpe |
| 05:32.55 | g333k | purple* |
| 05:33.27 | enouf | g333k : "command not found" can mean you don't have permission - but if you are capable you can easily view the contents using sudo or as root in a tty |
| 05:34.01 | g333k | enouf, with nothing I refer that I didnt find the file you told me |
| 05:34.03 | enouf | g333k : Purple? what are your the b0z0prince ? |
| 05:34.28 | enouf | g333k : what's in /var/log ? |
| 05:34.43 | enouf | g333k : whoops - what's in /var/mail ? |
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| 05:35.51 | g333k | enouf, a mail file |
| 05:36.15 | enouf | g333k : open it |
| 05:37.45 | g333k | enouf, I did |
| 05:38.52 | enouf | g333k : and? |
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| 05:44.15 | tenzing_ | hi ... today i did a apt-get update and got a long list of things like this "Get: 41 2006-08-16-1300.12.pdiff [6792B]".. is this normal? |
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| 05:46.17 | liable | tenzing_: yes |
| 05:46.30 | liable | !pdiff |
| 05:46.30 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 05:47.41 | tenzing_ | liable: ok .. thanks and does that mean that when i do apt-get update now , it will be faster?? |
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| 05:49.38 | liable | tenzing_: if you do it regularly (small amount of pdiffs) then yeah, its faster |
| 05:49.57 | enouf | tenzing: broadband = faster |
| 05:50.09 | tenzing_ | eniac: :) |
| 05:50.13 | tenzing_ | opps ... |
| 05:50.27 | tenzing_ | enouf: :) |
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| 05:51.30 | SJr|nx | Whats a serial line device? |
| 05:51.53 | enouf | tenzing: ooops - not opps <--a special forces covert op |
| 05:52.24 | enouf | tenzing: ooops - or whoops |
| 05:53.24 | haga | how come my s-video of my video card isn't working? |
| 05:53.42 | tenzing_ | enouf: ooops on my previous opps :) |
| 05:53.42 | haga | but my display is all good |
| 05:54.24 | enouf | tenzing: excellent |
| 05:54.50 | tenzing_ | enouf: thanks for excellencing me :) |
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| 05:56.10 | enouf | tenzing: excellencing <-- not a real word |
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| 05:57.17 | enouf | tenzing: excellencing = enlightening |
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| 05:57.44 | piper_ | hi |
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| 05:58.41 | piper_ | can someone help on how to get my Netgear pcmcia MA401 in my debian box to get wireless internet please |
| 05:59.12 | fwap | if i download a tarball called bla.tar.gz that isnt a debian package to compile where should i install it? /usr/share/bla/? |
| 05:59.31 | liable | piper_: what chipset does it have? |
| 05:59.34 | minerale | I am trying to get vncserver running, but I keep getting a 'fixed' font not found error |
| 05:59.50 | multi_io | fwap: /usr/local or /usr/local/bla |
| 05:59.53 | liable | fwap: /usr/local is usually the best spot |
| 05:59.55 | minerale | anyone know what the name of the 'fixed' font is ? |
| 06:00.03 | piper_ | liable: i don't know |
| 06:00.10 | piper_ | i am noobe |
| 06:00.14 | haga | how come my s-video of my video card isn't working? |
| 06:00.17 | haga | but my display is all good |
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| 06:00.41 | piper_ | i have internet now on the boxm but i am running a wire from my router |
| 06:01.17 | liable | piper_: run 'lspci' and look for the ethernet lines, one will be wired, one will be wireless |
| 06:01.33 | liable | !reference |
| 06:01.34 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 06:01.45 | liable | piper_: ^^^ read that too, its very good for newbs |
| 06:03.15 | minerale | could not open default font 'fixed' - this is the error message I get after ai apt-get install vncserver, anyone could help Me ? |
| 06:03.34 | piper_ | liable: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C /8139C+ (rev 10) |
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| 06:04.26 | liable | piper_: whats the other, that looks like the wired one |
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| 06:06.57 | piper_ | liable: ?? |
| 06:07.06 | multi_io | SJr|nx: a device that is or behaves like a serial line. For example /dev/ttyS1 (that's the first serial interface in the PC) |
| 06:07.43 | piper_ | liable: evern when i do 'iwconfig' i get command not found ? |
| 06:07.43 | liable | piper_: i think thats the wired card, not the wireless.. |
| 06:07.56 | liable | piper_: you need to install wireless-tools |
| 06:08.20 | piper_ | apt-get insall ?? |
| 06:08.36 | liable | yes, go read that refernce dpkg gave a link to |
| 06:08.58 | liable | piper_: it will only take an hour maybe, but it will be of much help |
| 06:09.44 | haga | anyone know how to get my s-video out working, im on sarge and my vidcard is Nvidia. |
| 06:10.46 | liable | haga: some drivers dont support it, google and see if yours does |
| 06:11.05 | piper_ | liable: ok i will but can u show me how to install the wireless tool |
| 06:11.12 | piper_ | please |
| 06:11.25 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 06:11.28 | jes-o-mat | how do I get a patch from linux git-tree for a specific sha1-sum? |
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| 06:12.01 | liable | piper_: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 06:12.15 | multi_io | SJr|nx: sorry, /dev/ttyS0 is the first serial interface, /dev/ttyS1 is the second |
| 06:12.46 | SJr|nx | andwhats the difference between a serial device and a console device |
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| 06:13.39 | hurone | in my /etc/host.conf, there is only one line: multi on. What does this mean? |
| 06:14.11 | sep | hurone, man host.conf |
| 06:15.13 | minerale | the vnc server package I have has a bug, and it's been fixed in the newer version (in testing) how can I upgrade just that package to the testing ? |
| 06:16.10 | streuner | did you try the one out of bpo? |
| 06:16.21 | sep | minerale, i'd first check if the package is in backports.org, if not i'd try a /msg dpkg simple sid backport, if that too failed you can check out pinning |
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| 06:17.33 | omry | I am trying to set up software raid in sarge installation, anyone had success with it? |
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| 06:17.58 | streuner | !tell omry about ask |
| 06:18.19 | omry | I keep getting "no unused linux raid autodetect partitions" |
| 06:18.38 | haga | anyone know how to get my s-video out working, im on sarge and my vidcard is Nvidia. |
| 06:18.45 | omry | even if there are unused such partitions |
| 06:19.23 | tralala | haga: I think you need the nvidia binary drivers |
| 06:19.51 | haga | tralala: what should i do? |
| 06:20.13 | unix_infidel | hey guys, did debian maintainers for the vim-* packages take out colorscheme? |
| 06:20.37 | omry | unix_infidel: unlikly. |
| 06:20.42 | omry | I use it. |
| 06:20.55 | sep | haga, if your card is like mine, it autodetects if you have monitor or svideo on boot. and it works with vesa and nv, if you use nvidia i think you must set a arg in X config file. it's documented in the nvidia readme file |
| 06:20.57 | unix_infidel | omry: it seems Ubuntu uses the same package but it doesnt function in their package. |
| 06:21.02 | multi_io | SJr|nx: well... it's not entirely clear I think -- a console device is a serial line device that directs its output to some configurable target, and reads its input from some configurable target |
| 06:21.06 | unix_infidel | while it does on my debian install. |
| 06:21.23 | liable | omry: still trying eh? |
| 06:21.25 | unix_infidel | the ubuntu motu guys tell me the maintainers are debian not ubuntu. |
| 06:21.30 | omry | liable: yeah |
| 06:21.38 | omry | gave up on setting up on a runnign system |
| 06:21.48 | omry | decided to give the installer a shot. |
| 06:21.57 | haga | sep: im using xfree86, im on sarge |
| 06:22.12 | liable | omry: oh, shouldnt be too hard then |
| 06:22.21 | multi_io | SJr|nx: "target" may be a serial interface, or one of the "virtual consoles" in Linux (the ones you can switch to with Ctrl-Alt-Fx), or something else |
| 06:22.29 | haga | sep: i think i should try booting with my tv hooked up |
| 06:22.50 | sep | haga, and your monitor disconnected |
| 06:22.56 | multi_io | the virtual consoles are serial line devices too, they're named /dev/tty1 though /dev/tty7 or so |
| 06:22.58 | haga | sep: yeah |
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| 06:23.45 | omry | liable: right. except I can't get it to work. |
| 06:24.01 | omry | liable: it seem broken. although it might just be me doing something wrong. |
| 06:24.18 | unix_infidel | what's the debian package maintainers channel? |
| 06:24.27 | omry | unix_infidel: so it works on debian but not on ubentu. what do you make of it? |
| 06:24.34 | unix_infidel | omry: no idea. |
| 06:24.39 | liable | omry: keep playing, you'll get it, i vaguely remember having a bit of trouble with it myself |
| 06:24.40 | unix_infidel | its looks to be the same bloody package. |
| 06:24.42 | unix_infidel | just renamed. |
| 06:25.13 | unix_infidel | i'm honestly bumfuzzled. |
| 06:25.45 | omry | unix_infidel: ask #ubentu guys. |
| 06:25.56 | unix_infidel | omry: i even asked in the package maintainers chan for Ubuntu |
| 06:26.00 | unix_infidel | (KUbuntu |
| 06:26.02 | unix_infidel | t) |
| 06:26.07 | unix_infidel | they say its Debian maintainers who package it for them. |
| 06:26.08 | omry | it might be some conflict with a ubentu related package |
| 06:26.23 | omry | liable: right... I did it before. it was a pain in the last time as well. |
| 06:26.28 | omry | damn it.. |
| 06:27.20 | unix_infidel | omry: its really doubtful that such a simple think has a dependency problem. |
| 06:27.50 | omry | unix_infidel: not dependency. conflict. |
| 06:28.06 | omry | I dont know about vim internals. but maybe the shcema files got deleted? |
| 06:28.11 | omry | or failed to install? |
| 06:28.19 | unix_infidel | hmm, lets try a reinstall then. |
| 06:29.23 | inlinefour | apache's main directory is /var/www/html right? |
| 06:29.40 | omry | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.45 | inlinefour | i added a 'index.html' file and it didn't show up |
| 06:29.50 | liable | inlinefour: if you havent edited the config, yes, /var/www |
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| 06:30.09 | unix_infidel | omry: nope. |
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| 06:30.59 | inlinefour | liable, i added index.html in /var/www and nothing shows up |
| 06:31.03 | inlinefour | just the defualt apache test page |
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| 06:31.41 | omry | unix_infidel: do :color<tab> |
| 06:31.46 | omry | get anything? |
| 06:31.51 | linlin | i need to get unrar, but apt-get says its not there |
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| 06:31.53 | unix_infidel | omry: yes. |
| 06:31.55 | unix_infidel | that's the thing. |
| 06:32.15 | fwap | how do i add a dir to my path in ~/.bashrc? I don't see a PATH variable in it but i do see one when i type 'env | grep PATH' |
| 06:32.33 | omry | unix_infidel: maybe vim think you are using monochrom monitor |
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| 06:32.37 | omry | ask at #vim |
| 06:32.43 | unix_infidel | omry: hmmm. |
| 06:32.59 | linlin | where should i ger unrar |
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| 06:33.54 | karsten | !rar |
| 06:33.54 | dpkg | i guess rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 06:33.57 | karsten | !unrar |
| 06:33.57 | fwap | PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bla/ ? |
| 06:33.57 | dpkg | from memory, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
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| 06:34.11 | benjamindees | I'm having a problem similar to this: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3668 |
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| 06:34.32 | linlin | !unrar-free |
| 06:34.32 | dpkg | from memory, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 06:34.33 | karsten | linlin: unrar-free should be in your archives. unrar (non-free) is in non-free |
| 06:35.30 | linlin | can i add a non-free repo? |
| 06:35.41 | benjamindees | the closest thing I can find to an explanation is some post about 2.6 kernels and gcc |
| 06:36.00 | karsten | linlin: proprietary archiving formats suxors. Could be worse, could be stuffit. |
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| 06:36.24 | linlin | lol |
| 06:36.34 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.35 | peterS | / \ |
| 06:36.45 | karsten | linlin: You laugh, grasshopper. Just wait 'til you run into it. |
| 06:37.00 | linlin | i have a mac |
| 06:37.12 | karsten | linlin: fscking "standard" on OS X / Mac. Proprietary, undocumented, changes formats. Ah, so you know. |
| 06:37.21 | karsten | !win peterS |
| 06:37.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, peterS! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 06:37.26 | peterS | w00t |
| 06:37.33 | karsten | peterS: ... and you were the only entrant ;-) |
| 06:37.39 | peterS | that hurts |
| 06:37.45 | Tallu | karsten: good one |
| 06:38.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:38.05 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:38.12 | peterS | karsten: so some write-in took first, and you were also a write-in? |
| 06:38.21 | linlin | what the hell |
| 06:38.32 | karsten | peterS: No, I took third *after* they refused my submission. |
| 06:38.47 | linlin | i put in the unstable repos, then apt-getted unrar-free |
| 06:38.49 | linlin | and hte box died |
| 06:39.28 | linlin | this is NOT cool |
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| 06:40.05 | haga | where can i find xfree86 config again? |
| 06:40.08 | haga | !xfree86 |
| 06:40.08 | dpkg | i heard xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 06:40.12 | linlin | oh thank god |
| 06:40.15 | linlin | it lives |
| 06:40.19 | tarzeau | haga: /etc/X11/ |
| 06:40.22 | haga | oh thanks |
| 06:40.26 | linlin | that would have SUCKED |
| 06:40.39 | linlin | 20$/month colocation, but its 80$/hour to reload the box |
| 06:41.10 | liable | linlin: *dont* use unstable on a server |
| 06:41.13 | linlin | ok screw the rar files |
| 06:41.24 | linlin | they can burn in hell |
| 06:41.29 | linlin | not worth 80$ |
| 06:42.20 | pstickne | which package does gvim come in? |
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| 06:42.59 | linlin | !gvim |
| 06:42.59 | dpkg | gvim: see vim-gtk |
| 06:43.12 | linlin | wow that worked |
| 06:43.17 | linlin | !vim-gtk |
| 06:43.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, vim-gtk is vim with gtk+, it looks pretty in X. Colors are even configurable! and it does source color coding, or if gvim silently refuses to start and goes into text mode, check out http://bugs.debian.org/119808 |
| 06:43.26 | haga | !one-liner xfree86 |
| 06:43.32 | haga | what's the command |
| 06:43.42 | haga | to reconfigure your xf86 |
| 06:43.48 | benjamindees | !drxx |
| 06:43.49 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 06:44.03 | nsx | how do you downgrade packages with apt? it seems to always want to install the newest version |
| 06:44.35 | haga | ~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:44.38 | haga | sudo: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 06:44.38 | haga | ?? |
| 06:45.11 | benjamindees | I think apt takes a package version on the command line |
| 06:45.24 | benjamindees | haga, you may not have it |
| 06:45.34 | nsx | apt-get -t <earlier distro> install ... |
| 06:45.35 | nsx | won't work though |
| 06:45.43 | nsx | it'll say "already newest version" |
| 06:45.45 | haga | ben42: not have what? |
| 06:46.28 | minerale | could someone help me get vncserver working with sarge / font config ? |
| 06:46.28 | Hoxzer | Wohoo I got SSh connection work through internet |
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| 06:46.44 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 06:46.50 | Hoxzer | maybe if I can get nxclient too |
| 06:46.56 | Hoxzer | would be really really great |
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| 06:49.22 | benjamindees | minerale, install x-window-system-core |
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| 06:55.00 | karsten | peterS: You've given me no quarter! |
| 06:55.30 | coldsteal | hi i am wondering if i can get debian to be a nas |
| 06:55.34 | peterS | karsten: ok, I'll give you a quarter if you really want one. do you want a state quarter? if so, which state? |
| 06:55.45 | karsten | peterS: Intoxicated. |
| 06:55.53 | karsten | peterS: ... or delusional. |
| 06:55.54 | peterS | karsten: when did they mint that one? |
| 06:56.07 | karsten | peterS: I wasn't there. |
| 06:56.14 | karsten | peterS: ...they minted it in my absynth. |
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| 06:56.22 | karsten | coldsteal: Yes. |
| 06:56.31 | benjamindees | nsx, apt-get install package=1.2.3 |
| 06:56.32 | coldsteal | well what would i need to do |
| 06:56.38 | peterS | coldsteal: yeah, should be possible. does this need to be some sort of turn-key solution for a customer, or something you can configure the usual way? |
| 06:56.40 | karsten | coldsteal: Depends. What do you want? |
| 06:57.00 | coldsteal | what is a turn-key |
| 06:57.09 | karsten | coldsteal: It's a key. That you turn. |
| 06:57.19 | peterS | coldsteal: it means the system is easily configured when you buy it, you don't have to know how to set up a Debian system |
| 06:57.27 | karsten | coldsteal: ... or in the biz: a solution that Just Works. Turn the key, it runs. |
| 06:57.29 | g333k | why when I try to shutdown my pc, I receive a message to press ctrl+D or to give the root password, but I never can shutdown it |
| 06:57.31 | g333k | ? |
| 06:57.59 | karsten | g333k: Are you typing "shutdown now" or "shutdown -[hr] now" ? |
| 06:58.08 | g333k | karsten, shutdown no |
| 06:58.09 | karsten | g333k: shutdown by itself doesn't do what you think it does. |
| 06:58.10 | g333k | karsten, shutdown now |
| 06:58.20 | karsten | g333k: It takes the system to single-user mode. |
| 06:58.22 | coldsteal | well its a pc i will be building with 4 250gig hdd on raid 0 |
| 06:58.27 | karsten | g333k: You probably want "shutdown -h now" |
| 06:58.33 | g333k | karsten, let me try |
| 06:58.36 | karsten | g333k: Sometimes spelled "halt" |
| 06:58.47 | inlinefour | coldsteal, 4 250gb in raid 0 is risky |
| 06:58.48 | inlinefour | -\ |
| 06:58.50 | inlinefour | =\ |
| 06:59.02 | coldsteal | why |
| 06:59.07 | karsten | g333k: man shutdown halt reboot poweroff |
| 06:59.10 | inlinefour | raid 0 has no redudancy |
| 06:59.15 | inlinefour | redudancy |
| 06:59.17 | g333k | karsten, Good! thanks man |
| 06:59.21 | inlinefour | redundancy |
| 06:59.23 | inlinefour | damn spelling |
| 06:59.25 | karsten | inlinefour: Or redundancy. |
| 06:59.50 | g333k | I go to sleep, see you tomorrow debianitas! |
| 06:59.53 | karsten | inlinefour: It also lacks parity, repitition, or residual capacity. |
| 07:00.00 | inlinefour | :) |
| 07:00.02 | karsten | g333k: 'nity nite. |
| 07:00.09 | karsten | repetition. Feh. |
| 07:00.29 | coldsteal | well its just for me it wont be for a company |
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| 07:01.06 | inlinefour | you also lose half the space |
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| 07:01.14 | inlinefour | raid 0 isn't that much faster anyway |
| 07:01.16 | karsten | coldsteal: RAID0 can be useful, it tends to increase disk performance. It also tends to reduce reliability. Both operate as a 1/n factor. |
| 07:01.29 | karsten | inlinefour: Um. It can be *markedly* faster for some operations. |
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| 07:01.36 | inlinefour | true |
| 07:01.41 | inlinefour | depends on what he's using it for |
| 07:01.42 | inlinefour | heh |
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| 07:01.49 | karsten | inlinefour: I've seen factor of 10 gains. |
| 07:02.06 | karsten | inlinefour: ... compared to single-disk IDE, vs. RAID0 SCSI. 3 disk set. |
| 07:02.41 | inlinefour | doubt he's using any scsi |
| 07:02.56 | karsten | inlinefour: Just sayin'. Not claiming apples-apples comparison either. |
| 07:03.14 | peterS | yeah, really, SCSI disks tend to go faster anyway, thanks to TCQ |
| 07:03.28 | peterS | SATA II should narrow that gap considerably |
| 07:04.09 | karsten | peterS: TCQ? |
| 07:04.26 | tarzeau | is simon richter here? |
| 07:04.35 | karsten | tarzeau: NFC. Who's that? |
| 07:04.38 | inlinefour | peterS, i believe sata is limited by the bus speed |
| 07:04.40 | peterS | karsten: tagged command queueing. the ability to send multiple requests to a drive and let _it_ decide which order to satisfy them in, according to its cache and its knowledge of where the heads are |
| 07:04.40 | inlinefour | not the drive itself |
| 07:04.48 | tarzeau | karsten: maintainer of schism(tracker) |
| 07:04.48 | karsten | peterS: Right. |
| 07:04.51 | tarzeau | SJr|nx: there? |
| 07:04.52 | coldsteal | well i want 1 tb |
| 07:04.54 | peterS | tarzeau: that would be GyrosGeier |
| 07:05.09 | tarzeau | !seen GyrosGeier |
| 07:05.09 | coldsteal | i dont have enought $$$for 8 hds |
| 07:05.10 | dpkg | gyrosgeier <~richter@p5499514F.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 41d 16h 44m 24s ago, saying: '_lpt_, you need two insmods'. |
| 07:05.12 | inlinefour | well 4 250gb isn't going to give you 1TB |
| 07:05.21 | inlinefour | you'll only get 500gb usable |
| 07:05.33 | vulture | inlinefour: that's pessimistic |
| 07:05.47 | coldsteal | not in raid 0 |
| 07:05.57 | inlinefour | JBOD? |
| 07:06.01 | peterS | tarzeau: he tends to inhabit #-devel, though I notice he's not online at the moment |
| 07:06.27 | tarzeau | peterS: k, schism's got a schism2 in cvs, and i think it must be pretty good (since two months) |
| 07:06.37 | tarzeau | peterS: i'd like him to update schism or make schism2 packages... |
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| 07:06.47 | karsten | coldsteal: Another option's LVM, FYI. |
| 07:06.54 | peterS | tarzeau: I've never even heard of schism, so I'm not one to talk to about that (: |
| 07:07.22 | karsten | peterS: Happened in Germany a long time ago. Rogue monk. |
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| 07:07.29 | coldsteal | what is lvm |
| 07:07.35 | karsten | !lvm |
| 07:07.35 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 07:07.35 | peterS | karsten: oh yeah, I did hear about that schism |
| 07:07.53 | karsten | tarzeau: Interesting. |
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| 07:08.19 | karsten | coldsteal: A way of combining storage units with a fair bit of flexibility, by adding an additional layer of indirection. |
| 07:08.33 | manfredf | Edis0n tengulre Shamurai jkp_ OleMoudi niktaris_work streuner_ coldsteal neoxan_ cydork eucalre fireba11 syntaxx jelly-home alexscott Zeit|awy lucia Mr_Sako de_vogon benjamindees TiffOn hjubal pinky_ linlin hackeron Volvo omry sep idealm inlinefour evilgeek seemawn doschdn_ slashseed fwap nekostar basanta SJr|nx subir Hoxzer Skaven unix_infidel iViLe tenzing_ MrNaz somegeek Bulldog jose stumbles numist dansushi18 intx Dimmu |
| 07:08.36 | tarzeau | karsten: if you find schism interesting, you gotta apt-get install opencubicplayer |
| 07:08.38 | manfredf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.41 | karsten | coldsteal: Not a total win on all counts, but one of your options. Standard in current RHEL builds, also Ubuntu IIRC. |
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| 07:08.47 | unix_infidel | awesome. |
| 07:08.50 | manfredf | spacepup Morydd vuud zamuro Skrot godson757 Tallu dooglus Trevlig Tristan ledet Solet k-man Faithful eniac pourriture_ antiPosix zinx sassytomato Fleck kepht noob-saibot jcmasters AciD Malagmyr emji finrod anapivirtua_ spotswoode Celelibi mdo dementt mirak Kinks nkuttler _AsA Tassu googlah meff slipstream nickm_ SilverWolf XSoul jimmiehansson lakez eleftherios row Lamperi Yvonne cusco b0xy|CoreDuo werdna_ Lorvija Maliuta_ B |
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| 07:08.52 | tarzeau | !ops manfredf is berzerking |
| 07:08.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tarzeau complains about: manfredf is berzerking |
| 07:08.55 | GecKo | um |
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| 07:08.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b manfredf!*@*] by peterS |
| 07:09.02 | GecKo | lol |
| 07:09.04 | karsten | WTF was that? |
| 07:09.06 | cafuego | Can you perhaps stop spamming? |
| 07:09.16 | nima | THANK YOU peterS |
| 07:09.23 | karsten | !beer peterS |
| 07:09.25 | tarzeau | the greatest news about opencubicplayer is that it WILL get portable |
| 07:09.51 | karsten | tarzeau: How's that compare to, say, sox? |
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| 07:10.34 | tarzeau | karsten: sox won't play adlib, amiga tracker sound files |
| 07:10.50 | karsten | tarzeau: and I care why? ;-) |
| 07:10.51 | tarzeau | karsten: opencubicplayer can change speed on playback, and pitch (unpaired) |
| 07:10.56 | tarzeau | karsten: as well as play ogg, mp3 etc |
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| 07:11.05 | tarzeau | karsten: it's got a great builtin filebrowser too |
| 07:11.08 | karsten | tarzeau: OK. |
| 07:11.13 | tarzeau | karsten: you seemed interested in schism? |
| 07:11.19 | unix_infidel | i wonder if its a security risk to use a cgi-irc client. |
| 07:11.26 | unix_infidel | assuming you arent using your ident password or something. |
| 07:11.39 | unix_infidel | heh. |
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| 07:13.23 | lucia | hm.. |
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| 07:15.22 | wireddd | is there a company that sells new laptops with linux preloaded? |
| 07:15.27 | fffoo | what's nvidia's one-liner again |
| 07:15.52 | Shadur | ~tell fffoo about nvidia one-liner |
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| 07:16.18 | siimo | hi is Xorg in SID broken? |
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| 07:17.10 | unix_infidel | wireddd: yea, IBM / Lenovo |
| 07:17.19 | fffoo | why did debian messed up my windows partition, is there anyway to fix this? |
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| 07:17.28 | fffoo | mess* |
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| 07:17.35 | siimo | i upgraded from etch to sid and x will not start |
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| 07:19.39 | fffoo | it says chainloader +1 something like that |
| 07:19.47 | fffoo | then its just stop loading |
| 07:19.51 | fffoo | and wont load windows |
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| 07:20.12 | fffoo | and it says: root (hd0,0) |
| 07:20.26 | fffoo | but hd0 doesn't exist though |
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| 07:20.44 | azeem | fffoo: hd0 is grub's label for hda |
| 07:20.47 | azeem | usually |
| 07:20.59 | fffoo | why windows wont load then? |
| 07:21.05 | azeem | I don't know |
| 07:21.07 | fffoo | it used to work |
| 07:23.16 | pstickne | I wonder what Snurglewozzle was. |
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| 07:25.35 | karsten | tarzeau: Just looked like an interesting project. |
| 07:25.47 | karsten | wireddd: Emperor Linux. |
| 07:26.05 | karsten | unix_infidel: Does Lenovo sell Linux preloads? |
| 07:26.10 | unix_infidel | 2yes. |
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| 07:28.12 | pinky_ | Don't they charge the Windows tax anyway? |
| 07:28.16 | kasha | Hi, I have a trouble with squêirelmail in Debian Sarge , after today updates it can't authentificate users .. |
| 07:28.25 | unix_infidel | pinky_: windows Tax? |
| 07:28.51 | pinky_ | unix_infidel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Tax |
| 07:28.51 | karsten | unix_infidel: cost of system is same (or higher) than if loaded with 'Doze |
| 07:29.21 | unix_infidel | karsten: i dont know. |
| 07:29.24 | karsten | pinky_: Don Marti was blogging about Lenvo offering a DOS-only "entitlement" |
| 07:29.32 | unix_infidel | pinky_: i could care less about a windows tax |
| 07:30.03 | karsten | unix_infidel: I've got a problem paying for something I don't need/want. |
| 07:30.04 | unix_infidel | i use windows and linux side by side. |
| 07:30.07 | pinky_ | unix_infidel: Hmm, well I take it you've never purchased a laptop before? |
| 07:30.16 | unix_infidel | if you dont use windows that's your problem. |
| 07:30.26 | pinky_ | My, my, touchy. |
| 07:30.27 | unix_infidel | buy from another company. |
| 07:30.49 | pinky_ | I was wondering if Lenovo still charged the Windows tax even if they preload GNU/Linux on laptops. |
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| 07:30.56 | pinky_ | I've heard they do. |
| 07:31.02 | pinky_ | Don't go on a rampage, now. |
| 07:31.04 | unix_infidel | pinky_: well of course. |
| 07:31.19 | pinky_ | unix_infidel: No, that's not "of course" |
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| 07:31.36 | Dewi | wurstsalat: shutthefuckup |
| 07:31.36 | ttyfscker | fukkkoff wurstsalat |
| 07:31.41 | wurstsalat | _ SilverWolf XSoul jimmiehansson lakez eleftherios row Lamperi |
| 07:31.41 | unix_infidel | oh, welcome back. |
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| 07:31.48 | karsten | !ops wireddd beserking |
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| 07:31.48 | unix_infidel | !ops kill wurstsalat |
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| 07:31.53 | Malagmyr | argh |
| 07:31.56 | numist | *sigh* |
| 07:31.58 | wurstsalat | ew DerJamster amphi tarzeau2 scoopex carlito _bernie Piggy |
| 07:31.58 | jkp_ | wtf? |
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| 07:32.03 | pinky_ | unix_infidel: If they sell machines with GNU/Linux on them, why would you have to pay for a copy of Windows as well? Don't be dense, that makes no sense whatsoever. |
| 07:32.16 | pinky_ | Certainly not an "of course" situation. |
| 07:32.16 | yeager | hmm |
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| 07:32.24 | unix_infidel | pinky_: b/c its included in a base cost of the unit. |
| 07:32.34 | nekostar | wtf now |
| 07:32.36 | Talisker[w] | how do I get a list of the positions of all the hard drives that are connected to my machine? |
| 07:32.40 | nekostar | oh |
| 07:32.41 | Dewi | unix_infidel: but it isn't unless the OEM decides it is |
| 07:32.43 | nekostar | more spam |
| 07:32.45 | nekostar | sup nalioth |
| 07:32.47 | Talisker[w] | I have a new hard drive installed and I don't know it's location |
| 07:32.51 | nekostar | u da shit man |
| 07:32.51 | unix_infidel | they arent going to adjust the cost of a certain product when the majority of their market is paying for a different product. |
| 07:32.52 | Dewi | unix_infidel: if you tell your OEM not to do that or you'll go elsewhere, they'll probably listen to you |
| 07:32.54 | pinky_ | unix_infidel: *Exactly* that's the whole fucking point! They don't *have* to include that cost! |
| 07:33.10 | unix_infidel | pinky_: think of it from a business standpoint |
| 07:33.14 | unix_infidel | would YOU adjust the price |
| 07:33.21 | pinky_ | Yes. |
| 07:33.25 | Dewi | unix_infidel: of course I would. It's an easy way to compete |
| 07:33.31 | pinky_ | Exactly |
| 07:33.35 | Dewi | don't install windows, leave it on the shelf, easy |
| 07:33.41 | Dewi | it's not some earth shattering customisation |
| 07:33.42 | Malagmyr | less work, too! |
| 07:34.02 | Dewi | and if they won't drop the price for you, go elsewhere |
| 07:34.09 | unix_infidel | Dewi: heh, well if your entire brand and support structure is based arround a framework like windows then.... |
| 07:34.14 | Talisker[w] | ANyone? |
| 07:34.22 | unix_infidel | most of their "customized" software and drivers are for windows. |
| 07:34.31 | Dewi | unix_infidel: brand and support structure? a customer who didn't buy an OS is a customer you never have to provide support for. |
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| 07:34.35 | pinky_ | And in this case, hey guess what, I *will* go elsewhere if I have to pay the Windows tax on lenovo machines with GNU/Linux preinstalled, NOT WINDOWS! |
| 07:34.46 | Dewi | unix_infidel: maybe you're talking about HP or Dell or some ugly great big corp |
| 07:35.02 | peterS | Dewi: you don't consider lenovo an ugly great big corp? |
| 07:35.03 | Dewi | unix_infidel: but no self-respecting geek is buying that rubbish |
| 07:35.05 | unix_infidel | Dewi: if i'm paying the premium for a thinkpad and not getting support. |
| 07:35.12 | Dewi | peterS: I've never heard of lenovo. So no :) |
| 07:35.15 | unix_infidel | i'm not buying a thinkpad. |
| 07:35.19 | Malagmyr | Talisker[w]: what kind of harddrive, and what did you do with it? |
| 07:35.26 | peterS | Dewi: they're the new company that sells the line of laptops formerly known as the IBM Thinkpads |
| 07:35.30 | unix_infidel | Dewi: no geek is self-respcting FIRST of all. |
| 07:35.31 | pinky_ | unix_infidel: IBM laptops (and now Lenovo) have traditionally had excellent GNU/Linux hardware choices. Another of your arguements invalid. |
| 07:35.31 | unix_infidel | LOL |
| 07:35.33 | Talisker[w] | IDE |
| 07:35.40 | Dewi | unix_infidel: I wouldn't put linux on a notepad. Not unless I was dual booting. |
| 07:35.41 | Talisker[w] | I just connected it to my machine |
| 07:35.43 | Talisker[w] | That's all |
| 07:35.46 | peterS | Dewi: maybe you've heard of IBM? Lenovo is who they sold their PC business to |
| 07:35.54 | Talisker[w] | I want to mount it, but I need to know it's position for it |
| 07:36.03 | unix_infidel | pinky_: the argument Dewi is making is that if you dont put windows on there the end user reqlinquishes all software support tickets. |
| 07:36.12 | unix_infidel | they DO have excellent support, i know from experience. |
| 07:36.16 | pinky_ | That's not my point. |
| 07:36.34 | pinky_ | I care about Windows tax on machines with GNU/Linux preinstalled. That makes no sense that money goes to MS. |
| 07:36.37 | unix_infidel | pinky_: the argument i'm making is if i'm paying premium for hardware and TP engineering without any of the support. |
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| 07:36.50 | unix_infidel | i'm not buying the machine, period |
| 07:36.52 | unix_infidel | i'll go elsewhere. |
| 07:36.55 | peterS | Dewi: eh? what would you dual-boot a laptop with? FreeBSD? |
| 07:36.56 | itchi | Talisker[w]: Try less /proc/partitions |
| 07:37.16 | unix_infidel | whether YOU Think a windows tax is unwarranted, is of no concern to me. |
| 07:37.16 | Dewi | peterS: windows. I don't think laptops are a good example. |
| 07:37.19 | Malagmyr | Talisker[w]: if you connected it to the primary cable (ide0) and you already have one there, it's likely to be hdb. if you connected it to another cable, it's hdc... just try running fdisk on it, really |
| 07:37.20 | unix_infidel | its their business practice. |
| 07:37.20 | itchi | Talisker[w]: Then add it the the /etc/fstab file |
| 07:37.35 | Talisker[w] | ok, I found it, thanks |
| 07:37.40 | unix_infidel | its their business, they can do what they want, they could care less of less than 1% of their market share wants to pay less. |
| 07:37.45 | unix_infidel | for a product they dont use. |
| 07:37.54 | Dewi | peterS: laptops have too much odd hardware to ever run properly without windows (so far) |
| 07:38.02 | peterS | unix_infidel: the situation is pretty much identical to paying for a slew of patent licenses when you buy a DVD-ROM drive, even if you don't intend to watch DVD movies on it |
| 07:38.06 | unix_infidel | Dewi: if you've owned a thinkpad you KNOW that's not true. |
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| 07:38.30 | unix_infidel | my hardware works i'd say 85-90 percent compatibility with *nix |
| 07:38.35 | peterS | unix_infidel: he hasn't, he hadn't even heard of Lenovo |
| 07:38.37 | Malagmyr | Devi: Everything, including the volume buttons and such, work nice on Debian on my OmniBook 6100 (HP) |
| 07:39.04 | unix_infidel | *nix is getting better. |
| 07:39.31 | unix_infidel | business could care less about the part of their market share that doesnt impact them, but complains on irc for a good 5-10 mins. |
| 07:39.38 | peterS | I wish people would stop saying *nix. what does that expand to? |
| 07:39.40 | unix_infidel | so i say, you're talking to the wrong person. |
| 07:39.49 | Dewi | peterS: how long has IBM been lenovo? |
| 07:40.02 | unix_infidel | Dewi: the situation is quite a bit more unique than that. |
| 07:40.03 | peterS | Dewi: I dunno, maybe 2 or 3 years |
| 07:40.14 | unix_infidel | its not an ownership situation, entirely. |
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| 07:40.26 | Dewi | peterS: I don't think so. |
| 07:40.26 | peterS | I mean, the only things I can think of that match the pattern "*nix" are Unix and Xenix |
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| 07:40.41 | unix_infidel | peterS: other than linux? |
| 07:40.45 | unix_infidel | its included i would guess |
| 07:40.47 | peterS | unix_infidel: that ends with 'nux', not 'nix' |
| 07:40.51 | Talisker[w] | How do I find out which filesystem is on the partition |
| 07:40.52 | Talisker[w] | ?> |
| 07:40.59 | unix_infidel | peterS: i guess its implicit. |
| 07:41.10 | Talisker[w] | It's taken from a windows machine, and I can't mount it on vfat nor ntfs |
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| 07:41.21 | Talisker[w] | I need to know which one it is if I want to try and recover it |
| 07:41.26 | peterS | unix_infidel: yeah, if you mean "linux" it's kind of stupid to call it "*nix". that's my point. may as well say "*nux" if you are afraid to name Linux outright |
| 07:41.30 | itchi | Talisker[w]: Use an tool lig gparted or so |
| 07:41.39 | itchi | arg, keyboard |
| 07:41.48 | peterS | unix_infidel: if you mean "Unix, Xenix and Minix", I suppose *nix is appropriate |
| 07:41.49 | azeem | peterS: it's the pun on the Unix trademark I guess |
| 07:41.58 | unix_infidel | peterS: when people say *nix |
| 07:42.03 | unix_infidel | they are referring to a unix-like )S |
| 07:42.07 | unix_infidel | os* |
| 07:42.17 | k-man_ | maybe you could say it in a regular expression like ".n.x"? |
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| 08:15.22 | Talisker[w] | Mooi: how do I do that? |
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| 08:15.35 | liable | Talisker[w]: no, you still need to run lilo |
| 08:15.38 | Mooi | Talisker[w]: but I dont think you'd want to read the mbr :) |
| 08:15.43 | liable | Talisker[w]: lilo, not liloconfig |
| 08:15.53 | Talisker[w] | liable: yeah, I know I still need to run lilo |
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| 08:16.07 | andrej | Guys, I tried to get a USB key to work on testing (even with manual loading of sg and sd_mod it wouldn't work) by installing hotplug. After that the memory stick worked, but the mouse didn't. So I reverted to udev; now neither the stick nor the usb mouse work. How do I fix this? |
| 08:16.11 | Talisker[w] | What I'm asking is if liloconfig does anything more then editing lilo.conf |
| 08:16.37 | liable | Talisker[w]: no, you dont need to run liloconfig |
| 08:16.37 | Talisker[w] | thanks :) |
| 08:17.19 | Mooi | how do I search for available packages? |
| 08:17.32 | Talisker[w] | Here's another one, is there an apt option for repairing broken packages? |
| 08:17.37 | peterS | Mooi: 'apt-cache search foo bar baz' or 'aptitude search foo bar baz' |
| 08:17.39 | shingouz | Mooi: apt-cache search foo |
| 08:17.59 | tralala | peterS: obviously we perceive the rules of quoting trademarks (as in truth) differently. |
| 08:18.22 | liable | !tell Mooi about reference |
| 08:18.25 | Talisker[w] | is /var/lib/dpkg/lilo.config the file I'm looking for? |
| 08:18.36 | liable | Talisker[w]: no, /etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:18.50 | Mooi | ok, thanks lots! |
| 08:19.12 | Talisker[w] | and the inexistence of this file indicates to the fact that I'm, in fact, using grub |
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| 08:19.17 | Talisker[w] | well, rebooting |
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| 08:19.31 | peterS | tralala: have you ever seen a book which uses [tm] or (R) everywhere? for example, have you seen a book about photo editing which puts [tm] after every mention of Photoshop? I sure haven't. what they do instead is to say, in very small print in the front matter of the book, "Photoshop is a registered trademark of Adobe blah blah" |
| 08:19.44 | andrej | Any udev experts in the house? Udev doesn't create the devicenode for the USBmouse, even though it's being picked up correctly accoridng to dmesg |
| 08:19.45 | homer242 | where i can find a mirroir for cherokee "stable" package ? |
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| 08:19.57 | kindor | anyone on UK line can try traceroute fs.ocompany.com please? |
| 08:20.05 | peterS | andrej: I'm guessing you need to load the kernel module 'mousedev' |
| 08:20.16 | peterS | andrej: then udev will create /dev/input/mice, which is actually not at all specific to USB |
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| 08:20.32 | andrej | Peter, I'll give it a shot; but why won't udev do it automatically anymore? |
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| 08:21.14 | cat | any ideas why im getting this error |
| 08:21.18 | cat | volume_open: error opening /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
| 08:21.19 | cat | /dev/dsp-1: No such file or directory |
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| 08:21.37 | shingouz | cat: yes, you pasted too many lines |
| 08:21.42 | cat | i know |
| 08:21.53 | andrej | How does one use the paster bot? |
| 08:21.54 | peterS | cat: you've been in #debian for at least 3 years. you should know by now not to paste crap here |
| 08:22.07 | shingouz | cat: check if you have alsa loaded with lsmod |grep snd |
| 08:22.25 | liable | cat: you prolly need snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:22.40 | peterS | liable: well, snd-mixer-oss, but that is pulled in automatically by snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:22.41 | liable | if indeed you have alsa |
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| 08:22.50 | liable | peterS: ya |
| 08:23.19 | peterS | liable: I have this thing for trying to be accurate even when it doesn't matter (: (unless it greatly complicates the explanation) |
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| 08:23.28 | cat | liable: can i ask you a questin |
| 08:23.38 | liable | peterS: indeed, but see his last line also :) |
| 08:23.46 | liable | of the paste.. |
| 08:23.48 | cat | how can i put the module to run |
| 08:23.53 | cat | on startup the module snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:23.54 | shingouz | andrej: /msg dpkg paster ( /topic helps too...) |
| 08:23.55 | peterS | liable: I can ignore the last line because really he should have been kicked off by then (: |
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| 08:24.19 | pavlix | hi people |
| 08:24.32 | liable | cat: put it in /etc/modules |
| 08:24.53 | cat | thnx |
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| 08:25.43 | tralala | peterS: don't you feel it's time to let it go already? |
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| 08:26.33 | peterS | tralala: shrug - I'll mock people who invent stupid behavior expressly in order to mock it. that's all. |
| 08:27.30 | andrej | Thanks for the topic-pointer ... it just usually flys by too quickly :} |
| 08:28.04 | pavlix | what's the difference between dchroot and schroot? |
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| 08:28.26 | tralala | pavlix: why? What do you need to do? |
| 08:30.56 | gillesMo | Hi everybody ! |
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| 08:31.16 | gillesMo | Has someone experienced a memory leak on a debian sarge mail relay with postfix/amavisd-new ? |
| 08:32.08 | gillesMo | Seems to be kernel-related, because memory isn't freed when I stop postfix and amavid-new. I use channel bonding. |
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| 08:35.33 | unix_infidel | has anyone here ever used a portable script to manage passwords?? (eg take a script that reads input from an account identifier and spits out a unique defined length password so it makes passwords easier to remember) |
| 08:35.33 | Mooi | hwo do you enable num lock on by default? |
| 08:35.39 | unix_infidel | Mooi: depends on the OS |
| 08:35.45 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 08:36.04 | karsten | Mooi: You can enable it in BIOS. Also bootloader IIRC. |
| 08:36.07 | NameTab | Mooi: default there's a bios setting |
| 08:36.07 | peterS | unix_infidel: it should be assumed that any question in here is about Debian |
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| 08:36.19 | Mooi | lol |
| 08:36.28 | liable | cant you do it in x.conf too? |
| 08:36.30 | unix_infidel | Mooi: google, there is a simple script that can be run. |
| 08:36.36 | unix_infidel | and try numlockx |
| 08:36.45 | Mooi | really, my numlock is enabled when i turn my pc on. hwoever, in debian's terminal it switches off |
| 08:36.47 | unix_infidel | anyone for my password management script question? |
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| 08:36.59 | tralala | unix_infidel: do you need a password generation script? |
| 08:37.05 | unix_infidel | tralala: pretty much. |
| 08:37.05 | gillesMo | unix_infidel: try expect |
| 08:37.40 | tralala | unix_infidel: but you want your passwords to be sort of mnemonic? |
| 08:37.54 | unix_infidel | tralala: yea, exactly. |
| 08:37.54 | liable | !qotd10 |
| 08:37.54 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 08:38.05 | liable | ^^ do that for passwords :) |
| 08:38.05 | peterS | unix_infidel: sounds like a job for pwgen |
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| 08:38.45 | unix_infidel | peterS: like i said, it'd be much more powerful for me if i could simply make it portable. |
| 08:38.47 | pavlix | tralala: I want to use chroot as a user, but I don't know the difference between those two |
| 08:38.52 | unix_infidel | eg a python script that i can slipstream the interpreter on. |
| 08:39.07 | unix_infidel | and since most *nix OS's ship with python should be easy enough. |
| 08:39.13 | liable | ohnos |
| 08:39.15 | unix_infidel | but for win32, i'd need the slipstream. |
| 08:39.28 | peterS | unix_infidel: yeah, I once wrote such a beast in Perl. I actually made it easy to type on a QWERTY keyboard, rather than easy to remember |
| 08:39.42 | karsten | Mooi: http://www.userlocal.com/tips/activatingnumlock.php |
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| 08:39.52 | peterS | unix_infidel: I guess that code is owned by a former employer, though, so even if I could dig it up I probably couldn't give it to you |
| 08:40.22 | Talisker[w] | Is there any reason not to put checkinstall in the path of the standard user? |
| 08:40.23 | unix_infidel | peterS: does perl interact with a vm or a interpreter? |
| 08:40.41 | unix_infidel | i'm actually trying to figure out if this is even viable / smart. |
| 08:40.45 | unix_infidel | or worth it in the end. |
| 08:40.58 | tralala | pavlix: dchroot should do it. Are you trying to make a 32bit chroot environment for amd64? |
| 08:40.59 | peterS | unix_infidel: you could think of it either way. you normally think of /usr/bin/perl as an interpreter, but technically it's a byte compiler which then executes byte code in memory |
| 08:41.15 | unix_infidel | peterS: is it small enough to be portable? |
| 08:41.19 | unix_infidel | like python. |
| 08:41.39 | gillesMo | Noone has experienced a memory leak in sarge kernel ? |
| 08:41.40 | peterS | unix_infidel: perl is available on most platforms. shipping it _with_ your app would be unwieldy, though, like shipping python |
| 08:41.44 | pavlix | tralala: nono... i'm making a gentoo chroot in debian |
| 08:41.58 | unix_infidel | peterS: unwieldy, how so? |
| 08:42.11 | tralala | pavlix: and what is the user expected to run there? |
| 08:42.26 | unix_infidel | peterS: the thing is, i'd like to be able to execute the app from a USB key entirely. entirely portable, but not taking up too much space. |
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| 08:42.43 | unix_infidel | so py2exe makes sense, and i can just keep the source in the same key when i'm on a *nix box. |
| 08:42.48 | arisv | anyone using debian unstable/sid with nvidia? |
| 08:43.05 | peterS | unix_infidel: well, if your computers all have perl already, you're fine. if not, not. I wouldn't try to put perl installer executables for multiple platforms onto a USB key. |
| 08:43.22 | pavlix | tralala: now I'm going to try gentoo's patched psi |
| 08:43.29 | tralala | unix_infidel: there is a python distribution called "movable python" that is designed to work from an usb stick. |
| 08:43.41 | unix_infidel | peterS: no, it'll be strictly win32 and nix. |
| 08:43.45 | peterS | unix_infidel: oh, you are talking about pickling your script and bundling it with an executable runtime. I don't think there's any convenient way to do _that_ in perl, though it may be possible. |
| 08:43.53 | tralala | pavlix: so the user would only run psi from the gentoo chroot? |
| 08:43.55 | unix_infidel | and since most *nix OS's ship with python |
| 08:43.57 | pavlix | tralala: but the true reason I want the chroot is running an application with specific versions of libs installed |
| 08:44.17 | unix_infidel | it'd be easy to turn the python source into an exe using a simple tool, but its the actual making of the code that's going to be the hard part. |
| 08:44.24 | unix_infidel | i'm honestly pretty much set on python at this point. |
| 08:44.45 | unix_infidel | i'm looking for some tips on the proper way to do it |
| 08:45.02 | pavlix | a python app :-) |
| 08:45.03 | tralala | pavlix: I see. You can do this with dchroot. You will need some "bind" mounts though. You can have a look at the amd64 howto for an example of setting such a chroot env and using it. |
| 08:45.04 | benjamindees | unix_infidel, java, gcj? |
| 08:45.09 | unix_infidel | and whether its even viable / smart enough to actually implement... |
| 08:45.47 | unix_infidel | because, heck, who wants to carry around a usb key with not actual encrypted passwords, bu a pwgen that generates a 15 multicase multicharacter password :P |
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| 08:45.50 | pavlix | tralala: I managed to use chroot as root, I'm just sorting out the user stuff |
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| 08:46.15 | unix_infidel | and then "Oops forgot my usb key, cant use gmail today!" |
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| 08:46.35 | tralala | pavlix: use dchroot for the users. It's really easy and works like a charm. Check the howto. |
| 08:46.45 | RvGaTe | morning... |
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| 08:47.54 | pavlix | tralala: i could bind /etc/passwd, couldn/t i? |
| 08:48.17 | tralala | pavlix: you don't need to |
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| 08:49.17 | tralala | pavlix: you can run the app in question directly without having to "login" to the chroot or getting a shell prompt there. |
| 08:50.19 | tralala | pavlix: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
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| 08:52.48 | sep | if one put a wallpaper grafic in /usr/local/share/wallpapers would kdm be able to use it, or must it be in /usr/share/wallpapers |
| 08:52.50 | pavlix | Unknown id: pavlix |
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| 08:53.12 | debuntu | why read man pages when you could google it .. someone else has done the hard work already |
| 08:53.25 | debuntu | oops, wrong window |
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| 08:55.20 | ikonia | hello debian-ites. I was wondering if someone with dvb-tools installed on their system could make available the configuration file for the uk-Mendip transmitter on a web page so that I can update my configuration. |
| 08:55.40 | ikonia | the file should be in /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/ |
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| 08:56.00 | Talisker[w] | how do I add a newly installed desktop enviroment to the session menager? |
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| 08:57.03 | [1]Stooge | What is the minimum amount of partitions that I must have to have to install debian? |
| 08:57.13 | pavlix | tralala: I can't get it work |
| 08:57.17 | ikonia | 2 |
| 08:57.18 | Talisker[w] | [1]Stooge, two, I think |
| 08:57.31 | Talisker[w] | One for data and one for swap |
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| 08:57.56 | tralala | pavlix: would you describe what have you done and what's going wrong? |
| 08:58.36 | benjamindees | you don't even *have* to have a swap partition |
| 08:58.50 | pavlix | tralala: it was complaining about the user id |
| 08:59.08 | pavlix | tralala: so I started thinking that I do need to have the user there |
| 08:59.14 | pavlix | tralala: and now it says: |
| 08:59.37 | pavlix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:59.58 | pavlix | tralala: but I have /bin/bash in both main system and chroot |
| 09:00.00 | tralala | pavlix: what's the command that say it? |
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| 09:00.52 | pavlix | tralala: dchroot -c gentoo -d ls |
| 09:00.58 | pavlix | tralala: hmm, without -d it works |
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| 09:04.28 | tralala | pavlix: bind the chroot home to the normal home |
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| 09:06.14 | tmg1|gaim | There used to be a debian package that contained a program to make hollerith punchcard patterns. Any idea what that might have been? bsd-games perhaps? |
| 09:06.31 | tmg1|gaim | it might have been as early as potato :S |
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| 09:06.57 | pavlix | tralala: that's what i did |
| 09:07.18 | pavlix | tralala: i actually could run psi... but with the same config, which is bad |
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| 09:07.35 | pavlix | tralala: I'm starting to think that ssh will be a better choice than chroot |
| 09:07.37 | dansushi18 | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typesd it in right- it worked in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Anyone have any idea what is wrong? |
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| 09:07.42 | peterS | tmg1|gaim: who knows, maybe 'banner' can do that |
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| 09:08.30 | tralala | pavlix: you can create users homes in the chroot if you preffer to have it separated |
| 09:08.30 | rem_ | . |
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| 09:10.12 | tmg1|gaim | danushi: is your home directory there? |
| 09:10.19 | Talnakh | greetings to all. i was wondering if it is possible to installqtopia on desktop as WM or DE? |
| 09:10.29 | tmg1|gaim | and what I mean by 'there' as in 'where it should be' |
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| 09:11.41 | pavlix | dansushi18: don't you have full disk? |
| 09:12.10 | pavlix | tralala: yes, I will, but I thinkg if dchroot doesn't work, ssh will |
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| 09:13.00 | azeem | tmg1|gaim: to make what? |
| 09:13.08 | dansushi18 | pavlix, no |
| 09:13.10 | azeem | eh, lost in scrollback |
| 09:13.22 | azeem | tmg1|gaim: sorry, nevermind |
| 09:13.37 | gnube | I would like to install an older .deb package on my machine, what is the best way to do this? Download the .deb and install directly or use another tool? My understandingis that backporting is getting newer software onto an older system. |
| 09:13.51 | gnube | But I want to go the other way; older software on a newer system. |
| 09:14.01 | azeem | gnube: downgrades are not supported in genera |
| 09:14.02 | azeem | l |
| 09:14.03 | gnube | Mainly because of bugs, etc. |
| 09:14.09 | gnube | azeem, I see. |
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| 09:14.36 | liable | gnube: try it, if it fails, i guess you'll have to get the source |
| 09:14.37 | azeem | you can try of course. Put e.g. an appropriate snapshot.debian.net line in your sources.list and downgrade via apt-get install foo=1.2.3-4 |
| 09:14.42 | azeem | where 1.2.3-4 |
| 09:14.45 | azeem | is the old version you want |
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| 09:14.57 | gnube | The problem is we are locked, at the moment, in a situation where we _have_ to use old software. Yuck. |
| 09:14.59 | ofer0 | if ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com shares the same IP, DNS queries may stop working? |
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| 09:15.07 | gnube | azeem, Thanks, that looks good. |
| 09:16.29 | gnube | I am confuse about the snapshot line you wrote there, where would I find the right snapshot line for an old python-mysqldb for example? |
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| 09:17.10 | azeem | gnube: saerch for python-mysqlb on snapshot.debian.net, it will tell you the appropriate line for the version you want |
| 09:17.10 | tralala | pavlix: but dchroot works, doesn't it? Didn't you just say that psi worked? |
| 09:17.26 | gnube | azeem, Terrific, thanks again. |
| 09:17.46 | pavlix | tralala: yes... it partially works |
| 09:17.46 | tmg1|gaim | azeem: nothing important, I've been tempted throughout the years to submit a CS assignment on them. But I thought it was a tool worth keeping track of |
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| 09:18.15 | tmg1|gaim | and I appear to have lost track |
| 09:18.18 | pavlix | tralala: but X doesn't let me in without Xauthority |
| 09:18.22 | summet | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.43 | Ronin | summet: because hotmail sucks |
| 09:19.25 | summet | Ronin: any solution |
| 09:19.34 | ofer0 | summet, use yahoo! mail |
| 09:19.56 | summet | that true ofer0 |
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| 09:20.06 | summet | but that is not a good answer |
| 09:20.13 | tralala | pavlix: right... ehm, maybe you should still bind home and just use a different config file/dir |
| 09:20.23 | summet | any one have any idea why |
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| 09:20.36 | SerajewelKS|away | summet: what does hotmail have to do with debian? |
| 09:21.03 | ofer0 | summet, I don't understand why you ask for hotmail support in a debian channel. Call M$ support |
| 09:21.05 | liable | summet: can you elaborate on that? |
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| 09:21.36 | benjamindees | hotmail discriminates against non sender-id sites |
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| 09:21.41 | summet | that true but the think is i am using postfix from that it i am sending any mail to hotmail going to junk mail |
| 09:21.58 | pavlix | tralala: got it to work |
| 09:22.06 | SerajewelKS | summet: complaun to microsoft then |
| 09:22.10 | SerajewelKS | complain too |
| 09:22.15 | pavlix | tralala: but psi uses some strange font :-( |
| 09:22.37 | tralala | pavlix: you need to install the same fonts in the chroot |
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| 09:22.42 | Ronin | summet: it happens quite frequently actually, its not just postfix, |
| 09:22.50 | ofer0 | if ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com shares the same IP, DNS queries may stop working? |
| 09:23.00 | SerajewelKS | summet: is the postfix server on a consumer dialup/DSL/cable connection? |
| 09:23.01 | liable | summet: if you are sending mail from a home mail server, it may be why, to stop spam |
| 09:23.05 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: TIAS |
| 09:23.06 | pavlix | summet: mail to hotmail? |
| 09:23.19 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: or ask ##networking maybe |
| 09:23.40 | Ronin | iirc its a rdns thing but its too early here to be sure :) |
| 09:24.08 | ofer0 | SerajewelKS, I have a problem that I'm trying to solve. So I'm asking if that maybe the problem before I change huge configurations |
| 09:24.09 | pstickne | is their a gvim package for deb? |
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| 09:24.20 | liable | pstickne: i believe so |
| 09:24.26 | summet | serajwelks : tk |
| 09:24.27 | m1ke_l | where do i put modules so they load at boot? |
| 09:24.29 | liable | pstickne: why dont you search for it... |
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| 09:24.40 | SerajewelKS | summet: what? |
| 09:24.42 | liable | m1ke_l: /etc/modules |
| 09:24.44 | summet | SerajewelKS: thank you |
| 09:24.51 | SerajewelKS | summet: np |
| 09:25.01 | m1ke_l | thanks liable |
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| 09:25.11 | liable | no wuckers |
| 09:25.12 | seemawn | !win SerajewelKS |
| 09:25.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, SerajewelKS! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
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| 09:25.24 | SerajewelKS | yay |
| 09:25.42 | pstickne | liable, I did. |
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| 09:26.42 | liable | pstickne: ah, i have it, but its a virtual package |
| 09:26.49 | liable | !info gvim |
| 09:27.01 | pstickne | liable, hmm, how can I search for virtual package too? |
| 09:27.08 | SerajewelKS | liable: pdo can't find it |
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| 09:27.23 | SerajewelKS | liable: not even a description search |
| 09:27.31 | liable | root@linux:~# aptitude search vim |
| 09:27.33 | liable | v gvim |
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| 09:27.51 | liable | virtual.. |
| 09:28.00 | ofer0 | !win ofer0 |
| 09:28.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, ofer0! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 09:28.02 | pstickne | sneaky. thanks. |
| 09:28.04 | ofer0 | !win ofer0 |
| 09:28.18 | SerajewelKS | !beat ofer0 |
| 09:28.18 | azeem | ofer0: please /msg the bot |
| 09:28.26 | ofer0 | azeem, okay sorry |
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| 09:28.30 | ofer0 | SerajewelKS, thanks for the tip anyway |
| 09:28.40 | trebor_win | hi. is it possible to have indirect glx-support for more than one user? or how can i change the user which has (indirect) glx-support? |
| 09:28.46 | SerajewelKS | ofer0: sure |
| 09:28.59 | liable | trebor_win: what? |
| 09:29.06 | azeem | trebor_win: what do you mean with indirect glx-support? |
| 09:29.26 | SerajewelKS | pstickne: vim-gnome |
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| 09:30.08 | SerajewelKS | pstickne: or vim-gtk |
| 09:30.44 | avis | i am an ubuntu user and am wondering what it would be like to use debian. i am not sure how they are different. |
| 09:30.48 | pstickne | I'm cycling between the two, what's the difference? :( |
| 09:30.57 | azeem | avis: just try it out |
| 09:31.16 | liable | avis: yeah, partitions are cheap :) |
| 09:31.30 | avis | azeem is there a graphical installer for debian ? also does it support Gnome ? |
| 09:31.42 | SerajewelKS | avis: you expect to get an unbiased response in here? =) |
| 09:31.54 | azeem | avis: the graphical installer is in beta testing. GNOME is of course supported |
| 09:31.56 | avis | i'll take your biased response :) |
| 09:31.57 | SerajewelKS | avis: KDE, GNOME, lots of things |
| 09:32.11 | SerajewelKS | avis: the installer is a GUI of sorts, a textmode GUI |
| 09:32.24 | avis | ok |
| 09:32.29 | liable | SerajewelKS: etch now has graphical shits |
| 09:32.34 | liable | installer.. |
| 09:32.45 | SerajewelKS | avis: but not really that unfriendly, it just looks daunting |
| 09:32.52 | avis | i think that ubuntu uses a text mode installer for their non-live cd's which i have used which would be ideal for me. |
| 09:33.01 | azeem | it looks exactly identical to the Ubuntu (non-graphical) installer |
| 09:33.14 | liable | avis: the old ubuntu ones, are the same as the debian one |
| 09:33.16 | SerajewelKS | avis: ubuntu is a fork of debian so that's not surprising |
| 09:33.18 | pstickne | I like the sarge installer. |
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| 09:33.40 | SerajewelKS | liable: X installers are overrated =) |
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| 09:33.54 | pstickne | for installing a base, curses++ :) |
| 09:33.59 | trebor_win | liable: 5 users connect to a debian machine via ssh/vnc, but only one has (no direct / emulated?) glx-support. all other users can not start glxgears. how can i (as root then) enable other users to have glx-support, too / or if this is impossible - how can i give glx-support to another user? |
| 09:34.00 | peterS | SerajewelKS: not if you speak Punjabi. good luck getting a text-mode installer in that language |
| 09:34.03 | liable | SerajewelKS: i dont deny that, just mentioning that etch now has one :) |
| 09:34.18 | peterS | SerajewelKS: that's the only real point of a GUI installer, to support languages whose character rendering is too complex for a text mode |
| 09:34.31 | SerajewelKS | peterS: hrm... interesting |
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| 09:35.17 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well, the other point is to placate people who think that graphics in an installer are some sort of prerequisite for something being, you know, ready for the enterprise or whatever |
| 09:35.21 | SerajewelKS | liable: yeah. i dunno though... the textmode one is nice too. IMO the main attraction is for newbies (and i18n as peterS says) |
| 09:35.37 | liable | trebor_win: hrm, no idea, i dunno why the havent got it |
| 09:35.39 | trebor_win | azeem: if the user who can start glxgears invokes glxinfo he gets: direct rendering: no. so i thought this means that glx is emulated. |
| 09:35.41 | SerajewelKS | peterS: "enterprise" bleh... |
| 09:36.29 | liable | trebor_win: is there any difference in the groups they are in? |
| 09:36.32 | SerajewelKS | peterS: if GUI is a prerequisite, i wonder why people still use unix =) |
| 09:36.44 | azeem | trebor_win: what does that have to do with more than one user? |
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| 09:37.01 | trebor_win | liable: thanks for the hint, i do check this. |
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| 09:37.47 | trebor_win | azeem: e.g. one user can start glxgears and another can not. |
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| 09:37.58 | azeem | trebor_win: and they are all remote? |
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| 09:38.34 | trebor_win | azeem: yes. |
| 09:38.47 | azeem | trebor_win: and it is always the fires one for whom it works? |
| 09:38.53 | azeem | first |
| 09:39.00 | azeem | trebor_win: other X clients work? |
| 09:39.31 | neenaoffline | My internet connection does not work on debian netinst ............ :( |
| 09:39.51 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: what kind of connection |
| 09:40.12 | neenaoffline | A cable connection , Narrowband ........ |
| 09:40.40 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: is your modem a router too? |
| 09:40.50 | neenaoffline | no |
| 09:41.13 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: so you needed to log on via some windows software before the connection will work? |
| 09:41.38 | trebor_win | azeem: we are logged in parallel. glxgears works for user1 all the time but not for user2, regardless who logged in first. |
| 09:41.55 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: no , the ISP has a linux client too |
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| 09:42.07 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: I am using it on ubuntu now :) |
| 09:42.13 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: right, but you need to log in first |
| 09:42.15 | trebor_win | liable: there is no group called glx or such. |
| 09:42.24 | azeem | trebor_win: but user2 can run regular X apps? |
| 09:42.25 | SerajewelKS | trebor_win: IIRC it's "video" |
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| 09:42.55 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: well , it's a stupid ISP , so most of the time the connection stays alive if I do a hard reboot ........ |
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| 09:43.09 | liable | trebor_win: i didnt say there was, i said are there differences in the groups they are all in |
| 09:43.12 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: right... if the modem doesn't see a DHCP release |
| 09:43.22 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: not DHCP |
| 09:43.31 | benjamindees | what kind of cable ISP has a Linux client... |
| 09:43.39 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: Dynamic IP , but not DHCP |
| 09:43.47 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: uhm, yes... |
| 09:43.58 | neenaoffline | benjamindees: An indian ISP , Sify |
| 09:44.01 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: dynamic IPs are assigned with DHCP |
| 09:44.20 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: no , My network does not use DHCP |
| 09:44.27 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: the modem does |
| 09:44.37 | benjamindees | could be pppoe I suppose |
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| 09:44.48 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: wait, how do you plug in to the modem |
| 09:44.53 | omry | - |
| 09:44.56 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: I setup inet on ubuntu without pppoe or DHCP |
| 09:45.11 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: so some proprietary tunnel? |
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| 09:45.16 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: what do you mean ? |
| 09:45.32 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: if it's not PPPOE or ethernet, what is it? |
| 09:45.48 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: It's ethernet , but not DHCP |
| 09:46.25 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: if it's ethernet then it's using DHCP. otherwise it's PPPOE or some other tunnel. |
| 09:46.38 | neenaoffline | I have two IP addresses |
| 09:46.48 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: one local and one public |
| 09:46.59 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: the public one is dynamic |
| 09:47.21 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: I have to configure my sys with the local IP address though |
| 09:47.29 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: god... |
| 09:47.49 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: well here's what you can do |
| 09:47.56 | liable | neenaoffline: how did you know ubuntu didnt use pppoe? did you actually check your interfaces file? |
| 09:48.08 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: (1) cuss out your ISP, (2) look for a better one |
| 09:48.09 | trebor_win | liable: there are differences. each user has its own group. the user who has glx-support is member of "wheel" as well, the others are not. |
| 09:48.19 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS: hehe |
| 09:48.32 | liable | trebor_win: wheel shouldnt make a difference for that |
| 09:48.54 | SerajewelKS | liable: what is wheel anyway? always wondered. |
| 09:49.19 | liable | SerajewelKS: admin sorta group, i didnt think debian used it actually |
| 09:49.19 | neenaoffline | liable: would you bother to join #flood |
| 09:49.26 | liable | neenaoffline: i am there |
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| 09:49.37 | enouf | <neenaoffline> I have two IP addresses - most ppl do |
| 09:50.15 | neenaoffline | enouf: yeah , well I was just explaining to SerajewelKS :) |
| 09:50.19 | liable | neenaoffline: it is pppoe |
| 09:50.28 | liable | neenaoffline: run pppoeconfig |
| 09:50.33 | neenaoffline | ah |
| 09:50.37 | neenaoffline | liable: okay |
| 09:50.44 | SerajewelKS | enouf: because a /31 can't exist, and a /30 has two addresses |
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| 09:51.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if the ISP uses pppoe they can assign basically a /32 though... as the netmask isn't really considered |
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| 09:55.06 | idealm | Is there a software which can read .vsd Visio Format File? |
| 09:56.15 | enouf | SerajewelKS : i don't even see what neenaoffline's issue was - just know many ISPs can/do assign DHCP addys, what you do with your local/private addys (as far as DHCP/Static) has really nthing to do with that |
| 09:56.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yeah |
| 09:58.03 | enouf | SerajewelKS : how's the commie's hangin' - hehehe |
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| 09:59.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: hehe |
| 09:59.44 | enouf | !greet DrAlgebra with a plague of 3rd world calculus |
| 09:59.44 | dpkg | Welcome, DrAlgebra with a plague of 3rd world calculus |
| 09:59.58 | enouf | ;0 |
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| 10:01.09 | XSoul | hello team |
| 10:01.15 | XSoul | i have little problem with my touchpad and synaptics driver |
| 10:01.20 | XSoul | my xorg log said : naptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device |
| 10:01.26 | XSoul | EE Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware. |
| 10:01.32 | XSoul | but tpconfig said : Found Synaptics Touchpad. |
| 10:01.33 | Csabo2 | XSoul you need a new flux capacitor. |
| 10:01.39 | XSoul | Firmware: 8.96 (multiple-byte mode). |
| 10:01.40 | liable | XSoul: is it enabled in bios? |
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| 10:01.53 | XSoul | yes . the touchpad works fine but not with synaptics driver |
| 10:01.58 | bart416 | I think i found the sollution to my strange problem, http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2000/01/msg00174.html |
| 10:02.07 | bart416 | but can i just fill in an empty ipmask in the net setup? |
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| 10:02.27 | XSoul | <Csabo2> what flux capacitor means ? |
| 10:03.36 | bart416 | :| |
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| 10:03.45 | bart416 | XSoul, is Csabo2 stupid? |
| 10:04.02 | XSoul | <bart416> ? . stupid ? |
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| 10:04.34 | cydork | hey guys just recived mail that one of my machines was running dos, it's obviously compromised. any pointers. it's a debian etch. |
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| 10:05.15 | bart416 | cydork, is it a server? |
| 10:05.25 | bart416 | If yes, run to the datacenter and pull the plug or network cables out |
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| 10:06.09 | cydork | bart416, that part is done.. :) |
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| 10:06.26 | bart416 | cydork, check the logs :| |
| 10:06.47 | liable | cydork: what exactly do you mean by its running dos? |
| 10:07.07 | bart416 | i hope you didn't use linload :| |
| 10:07.14 | cydork | liable, I mean. it was running a dos attack |
| 10:07.32 | liable | cydork: what kernel does it have? |
| 10:08.22 | cydork | liable, 2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 10:08.58 | liable | cydork: why didnt you upgrade it? how many users do you have on it? |
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| 10:09.28 | cydork | liable, it's a server local users are one or two. |
| 10:09.59 | liable | cydork: only local? no ssh running? |
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| 10:10.27 | Sonderblade | how do you package web applications to .debs? |
| 10:10.34 | liable | cydork: anyway, if you reckon its been compromised, reinstall it.. |
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| 10:11.01 | cydork | liable, i thought you will say that :P |
| 10:11.09 | ofer0 | Does this website work for you: shanicreations.co.uk ? |
| 10:11.22 | liable | cydork: its really the only sane option |
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| 10:13.05 | liable | cydork: the interesting bit is working out *how* it was compromised |
| 10:13.17 | benjamindees | Sonderblade, ? |
| 10:13.38 | cydork | liable, that's what i am trying to figure out. It had fail2ban running. |
| 10:13.48 | liable | cydork: and if its got a vulnerable kernel, and ssh running with weak passwords, thats a damn good way to get root |
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| 10:14.20 | liable | cydork: well, that doesnt help if a user has an infected windows box to log into it :( |
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| 10:15.53 | cydork | liable, i still dont it :( |
| 10:15.57 | liable | cydork: why do you run a server, 1st with etch, 2nd without upgrading the kernel? |
| 10:16.16 | liable | cydork: eh? i didnt understand that |
| 10:16.48 | cydork | liable, i guess i will start reinstalling.. |
| 10:17.34 | liable | cydork: good idea, what exactly are you basing this info on though? just an email from someone? |
| 10:18.53 | cydork | liable: well they have a log attached. my firewall also agrees with their logs. :( |
| 10:19.07 | liable | cydork: ouch |
| 10:20.01 | cydork | liable: i know :( i had a perfect record before this :( |
| 10:20.12 | liable | cydork: you might want to try and work out how it was done if you have logs, so you can stop it occuring again |
| 10:20.18 | XSoul | anyone help me with synaptics touchpad driver ? |
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| 10:20.33 | liable | cydork: and, keep up to date with patches! |
| 10:20.57 | liable | cydork: there were two kernel exploits in the last month or so... |
| 10:21.31 | liable | XSoul: check linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org |
| 10:21.34 | cydork | liable, i still dont get how did fail2ban failed to stop ssh attack. |
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| 10:22.03 | liable | cydork: it wont if they have managed to get a) lucky b) the password from elsewhere |
| 10:22.26 | liable | cydork: if you have very few users, use key auth for ssh |
| 10:22.51 | cydork | liable, i guess so .. :( bye |
| 10:22.55 | liable | cydork: it could be lots of stuff though, it may not have been ssh |
| 10:23.16 | liable | cydork: thats why you run servers on sarge, with security updates |
| 10:23.34 | XSoul | <liable> yes I read whatever infomation I find but still can't run synaptics driver |
| 10:23.43 | cydork | liable, inbound connection was allowed for ssh and 80 only. |
| 10:23.57 | cydork | liable, and vmware port. |
| 10:24.03 | liable | XSoul: sorry, i hate tochpads, so i disable mine, and thus no nothing about em :( |
| 10:24.14 | cydork | liable, so my guess is they came through ssh.. |
| 10:24.56 | liable | cydork: maybe, do you run php shits on the web server though? |
| 10:25.16 | ofer0 | sorry |
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| 10:25.40 | cydork | liable, nope. |
| 10:26.01 | liable | cydork: with the kernel you have, they only need to get user acces, and its easily escalated to root. i know, i tried it, its a simple c program, shocked the hell outta me :( |
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| 10:26.49 | cydork | liable, i guess i will install sarge now :( |
| 10:26.56 | liable | cydork: good idea |
| 10:27.22 | liable | cydork: dont forget to actually update it regularly.. |
| 10:27.38 | cydork | liable, will do.. |
| 10:27.43 | cydork | liable, catch you later.. |
| 10:27.53 | liable | cydork: later |
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| 10:30.15 | benjamindees | this has become annoying to me recently for some reason |
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| 10:30.41 | benjamindees | on windows, when you copy a file to a removable disk, it gets copied immediately and you wait for it to finish |
| 10:31.12 | benjamindees | on Linux, it gets copied when you unmount the disk so you don't wait until then |
| 10:31.51 | benjamindees | but why doesn't Linux start copying the file immediately instead of only after you type umount? |
| 10:32.16 | liable | benjamindees: mount it with sync option (i think that may be why) |
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| 10:32.43 | benjamindees | hmm, I'll try that |
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| 10:33.08 | liable | benjamindees: it copies straight away for me, btw.. |
| 10:33.30 | liable | benjamindees: my key has a led that flashes when it does it.. |
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| 10:35.33 | benjamindees | sync copies straight away, but doesn't give me the cursor back until it's done :( |
| 10:35.53 | benjamindees | lemme check some more |
| 10:35.56 | kepht | what is the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 and limux-image-2.6.16-2-686 ? |
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| 10:36.41 | liable | kepht: 2.6-686 is a meta package that will get you a new kernel when it becomes available |
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| 10:36.47 | laurens | hi |
| 10:36.50 | Mooi | Hello, I just installed Gnome and it seems like some config file is being opened that is from another system. Where is gnome config stored, overall? how can i reset everythin gon gnome? |
| 10:37.02 | laurens | has anyone managed to get libapache2-mod-perl2 working? |
| 10:37.12 | liable | Mooi: ~/.gnome or .gtk |
| 10:37.15 | laurens | Mooi: ~/.[something] is usually the place for configs |
| 10:37.20 | Mooi | liable: I removed both of them |
| 10:37.23 | laurens | Mooi: so, probably: ~./gnome |
| 10:37.27 | laurens | err |
| 10:37.30 | laurens | ~/.gnome |
| 10:37.36 | Mooi | liable: .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2-settings , didnt find anything like .gtk |
| 10:37.50 | Mooi | I am using a home directory from a different system |
| 10:38.33 | liable | Mooi: go mad and delete everything you know you can live without settings for :) |
| 10:39.01 | laurens | note: this does not include kernel images |
| 10:39.06 | laurens | or initrds |
| 10:39.09 | Mooi | :] |
| 10:39.17 | Mooi | thats what i did |
| 10:39.20 | Mooi | except not going mad |
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| 10:39.57 | liable | Mooi: its gotta be in home somewhere |
| 10:40.03 | laurens | has anyone managed to get libapache2-mod-perl2 working? |
| 10:40.25 | kepht | liable: what is meant by meta package ..getting next available kernel is done via upgrade? |
| 10:40.26 | liable | laurens: /msg dpkg ask |
| 10:40.32 | ofer0 | laurens, yes. and it is very easy. |
| 10:40.34 | laurens | when i configure it and direct my browser to a .pl file, it asks me to download it instead of parsing it |
| 10:40.43 | Mooi | ok |
| 10:40.44 | ofer0 | laurens, chmoded 755 it ? |
| 10:40.45 | Mooi | will see |
| 10:40.46 | laurens | liable: i was typing the symptom :-) |
| 10:40.52 | laurens | ofer0: think so, lemme check |
| 10:40.55 | liable | kepht: yes, a meta package is just a package that depends on other stuff to pull it in |
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| 10:41.19 | laurens | ofer0: could you please pastebin the relevant bit of your httpd.conf too? I'm not sure if its entirely correct |
| 10:41.44 | ofer0 | laurens, of course. wait a sec. |
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| 10:42.15 | laurens | ofer0: thanks! |
| 10:42.19 | Mooi | ok, created another user account and seeing the files |
| 10:42.37 | liable | laurens: hrm, i had a problem with php similar, i cant remember how i fixed it though. |
| 10:42.49 | laurens | liable: i had the problem with php too |
| 10:42.59 | laurens | liable: i reinstalled my box completely and it mysteriously vanished |
| 10:43.07 | liable | laurens: i am pretty sure its in the httpd.conf |
| 10:43.20 | ofer0 | laurens, did you do "a2enmod perl" ? |
| 10:43.23 | liable | obviously.. :) |
| 10:43.55 | ofer0 | laurens, add those lines to apache2.conf: |
| 10:44.01 | ofer0 | AddHandler cgi-script .cgi |
| 10:44.01 | ofer0 | AddHandler cgi-script .pl |
| 10:44.10 | bart416 | "Might be same problem as I had. Remove ipmasq." <-- Me assumes that means ipmask? |
| 10:44.18 | laurens | $ sudo a2enmod perl |
| 10:44.18 | laurens | This module is already enabled! |
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| 10:44.28 | ofer0 | bart416, ipmasqerading. not ipmask. |
| 10:44.38 | bart416 | ofer0, how do i remove it? |
| 10:44.46 | ofer0 | bart416, aptitude purge ipmasq ? |
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| 10:45.00 | bart416 | uhm, ofer0 its on an install floppy :| |
| 10:45.06 | bart416 | i need to get the driver working |
| 10:45.12 | bart416 | and they say, remove ipmasq :| |
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| 10:45.25 | ofer0 | bart416, That's a stupid error. Which installation floppy is that? |
| 10:45.33 | bart416 | thats not an error |
| 10:45.38 | bart416 | thats what a mailing list says ofer0 :| |
| 10:45.47 | bart416 | Its about the only way to get the driver working |
| 10:45.56 | ofer0 | Oh, I understand. Sorry I have no Idea what it is all about |
| 10:46.05 | ofer0 | laurens, |
| 10:46.05 | laurens | ofer0: trying it now |
| 10:46.10 | laurens | ofer0:, |
| 10:46.18 | ofer0 | copy&paste those lines into your apache2.conf |
| 10:46.22 | laurens | ofer0: already did |
| 10:46.23 | bart416 | ofer0, how do i disable it temporary? |
| 10:46.37 | laurens | ofer0: I thought the point of mod_perl was to bypass cgi |
| 10:46.45 | ofer0 | laurens, restart apache2 |
| 10:46.53 | ofer0 | laurens, chmod 755 some .pl file, and tell me if it works. |
| 10:47.01 | laurens | Forbidden |
| 10:47.02 | laurens | You don't have permission to access /perl/index.pl on this server. |
| 10:47.04 | laurens | wtf? |
| 10:47.15 | ofer0 | laurens, 'ls -l' in that dir please. |
| 10:47.20 | laurens | -rwxrwxr-x 1 root www-data 201 2006-08-21 02:59 index.pl |
| 10:47.35 | ofer0 | laurens, show me that perl file |
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| 10:47.45 | ofer0 | (not that it has to do with anything, but please show it to me) |
| 10:48.04 | liable | bart416: that link is from six years ago! |
| 10:48.04 | laurens | ofer0: hang on, you know rocks.pl from mod_perl manual right |
| 10:48.08 | laurens | ofer0: lemme try that |
| 10:48.20 | laurens | ofer0: ok, same error |
| 10:48.25 | laurens | ofer0: ill pastebin it now |
| 10:48.28 | ofer0 | laurens, okay. please wait a sec and let me think |
| 10:48.31 | bart416 | liable, i'm using a 8 year old laptop with a 7 year old network card :| |
| 10:48.47 | liable | bart416: whats the problem, debian doesnt see your pcmcia card? |
| 10:48.51 | bart416 | it finds it |
| 10:48.58 | bart416 | just doesn't want to connect to the web |
| 10:49.02 | liable | bart416: yes, but the kernel has a *lot* more drivers now |
| 10:49.04 | bart416 | so i can't run the net setup |
| 10:49.11 | bart416 | And i only have a floppy drive liable |
| 10:49.15 | bart416 | so etch is out of the question |
| 10:49.15 | liable | bart416: oh, during install? |
| 10:49.22 | bart416 | yesh |
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| 10:49.34 | bart416 | I can perfectly install etch if i can connect to a frikin mirror |
| 10:49.38 | ofer0 | bart416, it is a problem. If I was you I would stop wasting my time with it. |
| 10:49.38 | bart416 | but i can't |
| 10:49.51 | bart416 | ofer0, actually no :| |
| 10:49.53 | liable | bart416: etch has floppies, but its the same kernel.. |
| 10:50.20 | bart416 | the only problem must be and is ipmasq |
| 10:50.26 | liable | bart416: have you tried setting static ip? |
| 10:50.30 | bart416 | yes |
| 10:50.36 | bart416 | doesn't connect |
| 10:50.39 | liable | bart416: the installer doesnt have ipmasq... |
| 10:50.43 | ofer0 | laurens, you're here? I know what is your problem. |
| 10:51.06 | ofer0 | laurens, please show me the site you are trying to use from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ (PASTE IT!) |
| 10:51.38 | liable | bart416: do you have the box booted with the installer? in front of you? |
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| 10:51.48 | laurens | ofer0: i think you're right |
| 10:51.49 | bart416 | yes liable |
| 10:51.51 | bart416 | its right of me |
| 10:52.00 | laurens | ofer0: ill pastebin it now but i've seen sth ugly |
| 10:52.01 | liable | bart416: change to vt2 |
| 10:52.10 | bart416 | uhm alt F2 ? |
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| 10:52.16 | liable | bart416: yes |
| 10:52.18 | bart416 | done |
| 10:52.19 | bart416 | :| |
| 10:52.36 | liable | bart416: bear with me, i cant remember what tools are in busybox.. |
| 10:52.45 | bart416 | the drivers are loaded if lsmod is correct |
| 10:52.55 | liable | bart416: /j flood |
| 10:52.55 | trebor_win | we found a way for multiple users to use glx in parallel over ssh/vnc: vncserver version 4 ;) |
| 10:52.57 | laurens | ofer0: http://paste.uni.cc/9660 |
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| 10:53.13 | liable | bart416: what does ifconfig say? |
| 10:53.21 | bart416 | only lo atm |
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| 10:53.45 | liable | bart416: thats not good, are you sure the card actually works? |
| 10:53.46 | bart416 | was about to fill in name server address |
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| 10:54.11 | bart416 | liable, didn't yet configure network |
| 10:54.21 | liable | bart416: ifconfig -a |
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| 10:54.25 | laurens | ofer0: like this better? http://paste.uni.cc/9661 |
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| 10:54.37 | laurens | ofer0: <Location /perl/> is nonempty now |
| 10:54.46 | bart416 | now its listed liable |
| 10:55.21 | liable | bart416: cool, ifconfig eth0 192.blah gateway 192.blah up |
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| 10:55.33 | laurens | ofer0: actually, I've put that in and it still gives me Forbidden. I'll pastebin /var/log/apache2/* |
| 10:55.37 | bart416 | what should i fill in with blah ? |
| 10:55.47 | ofer0 | laurens, it's okay. |
| 10:55.51 | ofer0 | laurens, use this config file, please: |
| 10:55.52 | ofer0 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/IzyrbR21.html |
| 10:55.53 | liable | bart416: your static ip, and the ip of your router |
| 10:55.57 | laurens | ofer0: [Mon Aug 21 12:55:15 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /var/www/perl/rocks.pl, referer: http://localhost/perl/ |
| 10:56.03 | laurens | ofer0: interesting error |
| 10:56.10 | ofer0 | laurens, yeah.. use my config file please. |
| 10:56.19 | laurens | Not Found |
| 10:56.20 | ofer0 | laurens, it's for the site, and it will make it to work just fine :) |
| 10:56.20 | laurens | The requested document was not found on this server. |
| 10:56.24 | laurens | ofer0: nvm |
| 10:56.28 | liable | bart416: you do know the routers ip? |
| 10:56.37 | bart416 | yeah |
| 10:56.49 | bart416 | liable, i just opened the router config to find the dns server |
| 10:56.50 | bart416 | XD |
| 10:57.01 | liable | bart416: dont worry about the dns |
| 10:57.04 | liable | yet |
| 10:57.06 | ofer0 | laurens, it doesn't work for you? http://rafb.net/paste/results/IzyrbR21.html |
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| 10:57.22 | liable | bart416: just make sure your static ip is in the range the router will allow |
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| 10:57.41 | ofer0 | laurens, that's from my site-enabled, replace it with your default site. |
| 10:58.02 | laurens | Internal Server Error |
| 10:58.03 | laurens | The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. |
| 10:58.09 | bart416 | liable, it says SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
| 10:58.14 | laurens | ofer0: Well, we're getting different errors now |
| 10:58.14 | ofer0 | laurens, now we're talking :) |
| 10:58.20 | laurens | ofer0: exactly |
| 10:58.21 | bart416 | liable, hsould i try ifdown eth0 first ? |
| 10:58.23 | ofer0 | laurens, listen. you forgot to send a header. |
| 10:58.26 | liable | laurens: apachectl configtest |
| 10:58.32 | liable | bart416: cant hurt |
| 10:58.38 | laurens | [Mon Aug 21 12:57:52 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) PHP/5.1.4-0.1 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 10:58.41 | laurens | [Mon Aug 21 12:58:01 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: rocks.pl, referer: http://localhost/perl/ |
| 10:58.44 | laurens | ofer0: ok |
| 10:58.46 | ofer0 | laurens, do it like this: use CGI qw( header ); print header; |
| 10:58.47 | bart416 | ifdown not found :| |
| 10:58.56 | laurens | bart416: sudo |
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| 10:59.01 | liable | bart416: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 10:59.08 | liable | laurens: no |
| 10:59.09 | bart416 | sudo not found |
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| 10:59.31 | bart416 | still says the same after that :'( |
| 10:59.33 | laurens | hello laurens_! |
| 10:59.33 | liable | bart416: ifup/down isnt in busybox, as you dont have an interfaces file.. |
| 10:59.34 | laurens | ZOMG |
| 10:59.54 | enshrine | is there a apache package that includes php ? |
| 10:59.55 | liable | bart416: IFCONFIG ETH0 DOWN |
| 10:59.55 | ofer0 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UjrhzE67.html |
| 10:59.59 | bart416 | did that liable |
| 10:59.59 | ofer0 | laurens, use this script please. |
| 10:59.59 | liable | oops |
| 11:00.01 | bart416 | doesn't do the thing |
| 11:00.23 | liable | bart416: what does it say? |
| 11:00.26 | ofer0 | laurens, please man, I got to go.. use this script and lets see if it works. |
| 11:00.33 | laurens | ofer0: it does |
| 11:00.38 | bart416 | liable, SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
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| 11:01.11 | laurens | ofer0: i see hello world |
| 11:01.15 | liable | bart416: i dunno if will work, but try modprobe -r the module for it |
| 11:01.17 | laurens | ofer0: thanks a lot ofer0 !! |
| 11:01.18 | ofer0 | laurens, yeah, that's what the script does. |
| 11:01.23 | laurens | ofer0++ |
| 11:01.30 | laurens | what, no karmabot? |
| 11:01.32 | bart416 | liable, the driver module or what? |
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| 11:01.36 | bart416 | or pcmcia services |
| 11:01.38 | liable | bart416: yeh |
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| 11:01.46 | liable | bart416: the driver for the card |
| 11:01.48 | laurens | dpkg, hug ofer0 |
| 11:01.53 | laurens | there we go! :-) |
| 11:02.01 | ofer0 | laurens, great. cya later. if you need me for anything else... oSfSeGr0xH@yaRhoYo.com (remove all capitals for my real addr) |
| 11:02.01 | laurens | thanks again, works like a charm now |
| 11:02.08 | liable | bart416: do you have crdctl? |
| 11:02.09 | bart416 | liable, failed to remove module 3c59x |
| 11:02.15 | laurens | ofer0: cool, thanks |
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| 11:02.22 | bart416 | crdctl not found |
| 11:02.34 | bart416 | cardmgr is found tough |
| 11:02.34 | liable | bart416: tab is your friend |
| 11:02.39 | tralala | I'd like to have crdtcrdctl |
| 11:03.07 | laurens | wq |
| 11:03.21 | bart416 | liable, finds nothing that starts with cr |
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| 11:04.41 | bart416 | liable, can you do anything with cardmgr ? |
| 11:04.54 | Cakkidi | hi |
| 11:04.59 | Cakkidi | i have a questions |
| 11:05.02 | Cakkidi | ??? |
| 11:05.10 | liable | bart416: try -h see what options, try and eject the card |
| 11:05.15 | Cakkidi | reboot |
| 11:05.16 | Cakkidi | rhel |
| 11:05.22 | Cakkidi | what does this mean ? |
| 11:05.28 | liable | !confuse Cakkidi |
| 11:05.29 | dpkg | Yes, those was my weasel yesterday, Cakkidi? shirts of the monarchy of mongolia with extra herring |
| 11:05.38 | bart416 | i ejected the card liable |
| 11:05.52 | bart416 | cardmgr supports: |
| 11:05.57 | liable | bart416: now put it back! :) |
| 11:06.13 | bart416 | -V, -q, -v, -o, -f, -c, -m-p, -s |
| 11:06.24 | bart416 | putted it back in |
| 11:07.51 | bart416 | liable, what now? |
| 11:08.12 | liable | bart416: try the ifconfig up stuff |
| 11:08.45 | liable | bart416: does busybox have ps? |
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| 11:08.53 | liable | i spose it does.. |
| 11:09.03 | bart416 | yeah |
| 11:09.05 | bart416 | it has ps |
| 11:09.16 | liable | bart416: did you do ifconfig yet? |
| 11:09.21 | bart416 | yeah |
| 11:09.27 | bart416 | still says the same busy message |
| 11:09.38 | liable | bart416: ok, check ps for dhcp |
| 11:09.39 | bart416 | /sbin/cardmgr -f is running |
| 11:09.46 | bart416 | no dhcp |
| 11:09.56 | bart416 | I guess it lost config when i pulled it out |
| 11:10.13 | bart416 | nope |
| 11:10.15 | bart416 | didn't lose config |
| 11:10.17 | bart416 | but no dhcp |
| 11:10.19 | liable | bart416: something is fucking with it, have a look through ps |
| 11:10.41 | bart416 | i guess it could be cardmgr |
| 11:10.47 | bart416 | liable, possible? |
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| 11:11.09 | liable | bart416: eject the card, and try killing all stuff that is related to it |
| 11:11.52 | liable | bart416: and remove the modules for the card too |
| 11:12.20 | bart416 | i can't remove the modules on a normal way :S |
| 11:12.55 | bart416 | mhh |
| 11:13.01 | liable | bart416: seems something is hung up |
| 11:13.18 | bart416 | /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop doesn't work :S |
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| 11:13.34 | liable | bart416: you dont have an /etc yet :) |
| 11:13.43 | bart416 | liable, actually yes :| |
| 11:14.02 | bart416 | How could i else succesfully execute /etc/init.d/pcmcia force-reload ? |
| 11:14.17 | liable | bart416: only by killing the processes |
| 11:14.32 | bart416 | pcmcia status: cardmgr is stopped |
| 11:14.46 | bart416 | okay cardmgr is unloaded atm |
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| 11:15.02 | liable | can you unload modules now? |
| 11:15.12 | bart416 | ds doesn't want to unload |
| 11:15.28 | bart416 | 3c95x doesn't want to unload |
| 11:15.37 | liable | bart416: see what modules are using others |
| 11:15.52 | bart416 | pcmcia_core uses ds yenta_socket |
| 11:15.56 | benjamindees | ahaha, framebuffer works on my S3 Trio |
| 11:16.02 | benjamindees | this is ghetto fabulous... |
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| 11:19.17 | bart416 | liable, ? |
| 11:19.41 | liable | bart416: try and unload modues relating to it untill you win |
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| 11:20.38 | bart416 | liable, infact, i can't remove any module :S |
| 11:20.59 | liable | bart416: with rmmod or modprobe -r? |
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| 11:21.08 | bart416 | modprobe -r |
| 11:21.14 | liable | try rmmod |
| 11:21.16 | bart416 | rmmod isn't available |
| 11:21.17 | bart416 | :| |
| 11:21.21 | liable | really? |
| 11:21.29 | bart416 | really |
| 11:21.33 | bart416 | rmmod: not found |
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| 11:22.09 | liable | bart416: i am running out of ideas :( |
| 11:22.13 | neenaoffline | could someone pastebin their sources.list (etch) , please |
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| 11:22.31 | zimnyx | How can i enable error logging in MySQL. /etc/mysql/my.cnf says: Error logging goes to syslog. So i guess syslog should maintain mysql err loggin by default, but error file mysql.err is empty. |
| 11:22.32 | bart416 | liable, does ifconfig have a force parameter? |
| 11:22.38 | liable | neenaoffline: google would have a wealth of that sort of info |
| 11:22.44 | liable | bart416: no |
| 11:22.44 | bart416 | cardmgr is watching two sockets |
| 11:22.58 | liable | neenaoffline: did you get your net working? |
| 11:23.11 | liable | bart416: did you try killing cardmgr? |
| 11:23.23 | bart416 | yeah |
| 11:23.25 | liable | before modprobe -r? |
| 11:23.25 | bart416 | that works fine |
| 11:23.31 | bart416 | cardmgr can be killed |
| 11:23.35 | enshrine | is there a apache package that includes php ? |
| 11:23.39 | bart416 | pcmcia kernel modules nope |
| 11:23.41 | bart416 | driver nope |
| 11:24.23 | liable | bart416: something is using em, recheck ps |
| 11:24.40 | bart416 | liable, the debian installer ? |
| 11:24.42 | liable | bart416: may be the actuall installer i guess.. :/ |
| 11:24.49 | liable | yeah |
| 11:24.59 | neenaoffline | liable: yeah , sort of |
| 11:25.20 | neenaoffline | liable: I can ping my gateway , didn't try pinging any sites |
| 11:25.31 | bart416 | when i try to configure the network with dhcp it starts: dhclient -e eth0 and netcfg |
| 11:25.33 | liable | neenaoffline: so try.. |
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| 11:25.40 | neenaoffline | liable: ah |
| 11:25.58 | bart416 | oh and udpkg --configure --force-configure netcfg |
| 11:26.22 | enshrine | is there a apache package that includes php ??? |
| 11:26.40 | enshrine | !php |
| 11:26.40 | dpkg | well, php is #php or http://www.php.net/. Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI). PHP5 now in etch/sid |
| 11:26.41 | bart416 | xampp |
| 11:26.44 | liable | enshrine: apt-cache search php |
| 11:26.51 | enshrine | liable w8 |
| 11:26.59 | liable | w8?? |
| 11:27.04 | enshrine | lol thanks |
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| 11:28.35 | basanta | when will gnucash 2.0 be available in etch ? |
| 11:29.03 | liable | when someone packages it? |
| 11:29.13 | tralala | !wir |
| 11:29.13 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:29.22 | basanta | liable, is there a way to guess about when? |
| 11:29.31 | bart416 | can you setup a network connection with an LPT port? |
| 11:29.46 | liable | basanta: try filing a wishlist bug |
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| 11:30.09 | basanta | liable, how do I go about doing it |
| 11:30.09 | liable | basanta: for shits and giigles, try the etch floppies |
| 11:30.31 | bart416 | liable, do the etch flopies have kernel 2.6 ? |
| 11:30.36 | liable | basanta: with reportbug, or visit bugs.debian.org |
| 11:30.48 | AndroidData | So... yesterday Mr. Sanity decided to perform the command "sudo rm -rf /*". |
| 11:30.50 | AndroidData | :\ |
| 11:30.50 | liable | basanta: no, still 2.4, but newer tools |
| 11:31.19 | liable | basanta: 2.6 wont fit on a floppy, besides, your hardware is so old, you dont need 2.6 |
| 11:31.23 | bart416 | liable, can you set up a network with a printer port ? |
| 11:31.54 | liable | bart416: a serial port? |
| 11:32.03 | bart416 | yeah |
| 11:32.07 | liable | !pal AndroidData |
| 11:32.08 | tralala | bart416: you can |
| 11:32.13 | bart416 | I think i still have a cable for it |
| 11:32.17 | AndroidData | uh |
| 11:32.23 | AndroidData | !pal |
| 11:32.26 | AndroidData | o.o |
| 11:32.36 | liable | bart416: i dont think the installer has the ppp shits for that |
| 11:32.43 | neenaoffline | someone told me about an example sources.list somewhere , where is it again ??? |
| 11:32.52 | bart416 | liable, the laptop does have a mandrake 4 install :| |
| 11:32.52 | liable | though i may well be wrong |
| 11:33.03 | Gnea | neenaoffline: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 11:33.03 | bart416 | without pcmcia drivers that work |
| 11:33.08 | liable | bart416: really? why didnt you say! |
| 11:33.12 | bart416 | but i gues the ppp shit for that is available |
| 11:33.28 | liable | bart416: get the hard drive media kernel and initrd and bot from that |
| 11:33.33 | Gnea | neenaoffline: this command found it: locate sources.list |
| 11:33.49 | enshrine | liable just installed apache with apt-get install apache and php with apt-get install apache .. still php files not working any idea why ? |
| 11:34.09 | bart416 | liable, uhm how would i do that :| |
| 11:34.10 | enshrine | sorry\ |
| 11:34.13 | enshrine | i ment apt-get install php4 |
| 11:34.20 | bart416 | I'm not ultra linux literate :| |
| 11:34.21 | liable | bart416: download whatever installer kernel you want (2.4/2.6, sarge/etch) and add it to menu.lst |
| 11:34.47 | liable | bart416: do you want etch or sarge? |
| 11:34.51 | bart416 | etch prefered |
| 11:34.56 | liable | bart416: sec |
| 11:34.57 | bart416 | i guess the hardware support is better |
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| 11:35.20 | tralala | bart416: if you're not "ultra literate" you'd want to stick with sarge |
| 11:35.25 | nvz | hardware is supported by the kernel, and any kernel could be used in any release |
| 11:35.38 | nvz | so in effect they all have the same hardware support |
| 11:35.41 | liable | bart416: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/hd-media/2.6/ |
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| 11:35.57 | liable | bart416: get those files, put them in /boot |
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| 11:36.12 | bart416 | okay |
| 11:36.14 | bart416 | i'll try that |
| 11:36.55 | liable | bart416: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#boot-initrd |
| 11:37.15 | liable | bart416: add that shit to menu.lst or lilo.conf |
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| 11:37.29 | bart416 | liable, so i should create a newinstall dir? |
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| 11:38.20 | liable | bart416: if you have a vmlinuz or initrd in /boot, yeah |
| 11:38.32 | liable | bart416: otherwise they will get overwritten |
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| 11:39.00 | liable | bart416: just do it exactly as they say i guess, keeps it simple :) |
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| 11:39.59 | javiolo | someone called me ? |
| 11:40.10 | tralala | !call javiolo |
| 11:40.22 | javiolo | tralala ? |
| 11:40.44 | enshrine | well liable how abt the php thingy ? :) |
| 11:41.08 | javiolo | tralala ? |
| 11:41.16 | liable | enshrine: i dunno :( |
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| 11:41.24 | enshrine | liable :( |
| 11:41.26 | tralala | javiolo: ? |
| 11:41.35 | javiolo | tralala!call javiolo |
| 11:41.50 | enshrine | liable whats the command to restart apache ? |
| 11:42.11 | tralala | enshrine: man invoke-rc.d |
| 11:42.12 | enshrine | o kgot it |
| 11:42.25 | liable | enshrine: apachectl |
| 11:42.29 | liable | restart |
| 11:42.35 | enshrine | heh all it needded was a restart |
| 11:42.37 | enshrine | etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 11:42.42 | liable | or i guess apache2ctl |
| 11:43.01 | liable | or init.d does the same thing :) |
| 11:43.16 | enshrine | yup :P |
| 11:43.23 | javiolo | are there any linux security related podcasts ? |
| 11:43.42 | liable | try ##linux |
| 11:43.52 | bart416 | liable, that initrd file is 3mb :| |
| 11:43.57 | bart416 | how am i suposed to ship that over with flopies? |
| 11:44.08 | enshrine | bart416 why not compress it ? |
| 11:44.21 | liable | initrd is compressed.. |
| 11:44.24 | bart416 | initrd.gz ... |
| 11:44.28 | liable | gz anyway |
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| 11:44.55 | enshrine | amd ntw bart416 who uses floppies these days |
| 11:44.57 | liable | bart416: no net with the mandrake distro? |
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| 11:45.04 | bart416 | no liable :| |
| 11:45.07 | bart416 | thats the problem |
| 11:45.11 | liable | bart416: no usb? |
| 11:45.14 | bart416 | nope |
| 11:45.17 | bart416 | its an old laptop :| |
| 11:45.45 | liable | bart416: you qualify for the rube goldberg award! |
| 11:45.54 | liable | !rube goldberg install |
| 11:45.54 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 11:46.06 | liable | :) |
| 11:46.23 | bart416 | why can't i laugh with that :'( |
| 11:46.30 | liable | bart416: get the 2.4 kernel then |
| 11:46.34 | Ronin | truth hurts? ;) |
| 11:46.44 | tralala | bart416: dd if=initrd of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440k count=1 |
| 11:46.45 | bart416 | Ronin, I didn't make that laptop |
| 11:46.49 | liable | bart416: go up a dir from the link i gave you |
| 11:47.05 | liable | tralala: 2.6 doesnt fit on floppies |
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| 11:47.36 | tralala | liable: he'll boot from the disk iinm |
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| 11:47.59 | liable | tralala: but he needs to get it on the disk :) |
| 11:48.01 | bart416 | liable, thats still a 3.5mb file :| |
| 11:48.03 | elias__ | anybody any experience with vmware? |
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| 11:48.07 | bart416 | elias__, yeah |
| 11:48.11 | enshrine | elias__ yea |
| 11:48.21 | liable | bart416: ok, get the floppy images for etch then |
| 11:48.31 | elias__ | how do I establish conncetivity between my vmware image and the host OS? |
| 11:48.34 | bart416 | liable, were can i download those? |
| 11:48.43 | tralala | liable: that's where dd comes to help - dd + a few floppies + join them at the end |
| 11:48.56 | bart416 | liable, it only has a netdriver and cdrom image |
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| 11:48.57 | bart416 | but no boot |
| 11:49.20 | liable | bart416: ya, i just seen that.. |
| 11:49.28 | elias__ | the VM is running but I can't ping the thing from the host OS |
| 11:49.34 | liable | tralala: yeah, that may be the way to go |
| 11:50.21 | bart416 | elias__, how is the network set? |
| 11:50.29 | bart416 | shared ip ? |
| 11:50.32 | tralala | liable: or direct link through a serial/parallel cable |
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| 11:51.07 | coach | hi@all |
| 11:51.09 | liable | tralala: i aint so good with dd, you help him with the copying the images to floppy and remaking it back on the drive |
| 11:51.16 | coach | i've got a problem with my x |
| 11:51.52 | Ronin | coach: specifics please |
| 11:51.58 | coach | i installed debian (newest) and just installed x-window-system-core and xfce4 |
| 11:52.16 | coach | so, my prob is, x don't want to be started^^ |
| 11:52.22 | coach | he can't find my mouse |
| 11:52.46 | elias__ | bart416: ifconfig on the host OS shows vmnet1 192.168.77.1. Endian FW vmware image seems to have a br0 configured (Endian FW feature) with 192.168.74.1. I have an additional vmnet8 on the host OS with 192.168.226.1 but no bridges at all. The VMware player shows 3 connected bridged interfaces. |
| 11:52.59 | bart416 | elias__, put the network adapter so it has its own ip |
| 11:53.00 | bart416 | :| |
| 11:53.01 | coach | i tried to edit the config several times, but he doesn't find /dev/input/mice /input/mouse0 ... |
| 11:53.07 | bart416 | then it should work |
| 11:53.11 | tralala | liable: mkay |
| 11:53.15 | elias__ | bart416: I took the image from the net |
| 11:53.24 | elias__ | bart416: any IP? |
| 11:53.25 | coach | i tried every single /dev from mice to mouse3 |
| 11:53.29 | bart416 | elias__, use dhcp |
| 11:53.38 | coach | Ronin: any idea? |
| 11:53.45 | bart416 | vmware can do that perfectly |
| 11:53.47 | coach | (sry for my bad english^^) |
| 11:53.52 | murosai | coach: do you have the mouse module? |
| 11:53.59 | tralala | bart416: you need split the kernel and the initrd image into parts, copy them on floppies - and join them back together on the laptop |
| 11:54.01 | coach | dunno^^ |
| 11:54.07 | bart416 | the kernel is small enough for one floppy |
| 11:54.10 | coach | how to find out? |
| 11:54.31 | tralala | bart416: that's even better |
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| 11:54.43 | murosai | i can't remember it's name, try apt-cache search xorg |
| 11:55.13 | coach | murosai: do you mean me? |
| 11:55.20 | murosai | yes |
| 11:55.28 | liable | coach: what kind of mouse? |
| 11:55.45 | tralala | bart416: so go ahead and do it |
| 11:55.47 | coach | just a normal 3button roll(?)mouse with a whell |
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| 11:55.54 | bart416 | how do i split the stuff tralala ? |
| 11:55.55 | coach | wheel^^ |
| 11:56.01 | liable | coach: ps2 connection? |
| 11:56.06 | coach | yes |
| 11:56.11 | elias__ | bart416: dhcp does not work on any interface |
| 11:56.23 | bart416 | elias__, in the vm dir you should have a config file |
| 11:56.24 | liable | !drxx coach |
| 11:56.25 | dpkg | coach: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:56.29 | bart416 | open it with a text editor |
| 11:56.33 | dorel__ | what are those .pdiff files that apt-get update downloads? |
| 11:56.44 | liable | coach: pick explorer/ps2 |
| 11:56.57 | bart416 | !paste |
| 11:56.58 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 11:57.04 | liable | coach: when it asks for mouse, and /dev/input/mice |
| 11:57.07 | elias__ | bart416: which one is the config file? |
| 11:57.08 | tralala | bart416: dd if=initrd of=part1 bs=1400k skip=0 count=1; dd if=initrd of=part2 bs=1400k skip=1 count=1 and so on |
| 11:57.20 | coach | kk, just give ma a second^^ |
| 11:57.26 | bart416 | a .vmx file elias__ |
| 11:57.55 | bart416 | To give you an idea, this is the one i have for ubuntu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3520 |
| 11:58.26 | bart416 | elias__, ethernet0.present = "TRUE" |
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| 11:58.35 | Sertinell | Hi |
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| 11:58.55 | bart416 | ethernet0.addressType = "generated" |
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| 11:59.03 | Sertinell | wath CFLAGS use debian ppc ? |
| 11:59.05 | bart416 | Basically if its not like that config file |
| 11:59.09 | bart416 | You configured it wrong |
| 11:59.10 | bart416 | :) |
| 11:59.17 | chjunior | hi everyone |
| 11:59.34 | liable | wtf is that? udev rules? |
| 11:59.40 | bart416 | Cause i actually only needed to open firefox and i had connection :P |
| 11:59.41 | Sertinell | ouch ! What CFLAGS are used by debian ppc ? better now :) |
| 11:59.50 | elias__ | bart416: that's how it is |
| 11:59.55 | liable | Sertinell: try #debian-ppc |
| 12:00.03 | bart416 | strange |
| 12:00.11 | bart416 | elias__, do you require the usage of a proxy for your isp? |
| 12:00.29 | Sertinell | thanks liable :) |
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| 12:00.32 | elias__ | but then, are they all linked to eth0? I am using eth1 on my host os to connect to the world |
| 12:00.48 | bart416 | mhhh |
| 12:00.48 | coach | liable: i'm back... |
| 12:00.58 | bart416 | elias__, strange |
| 12:01.04 | bart416 | i never saw usage of eth1 in vmware |
| 12:01.14 | liable | coach: and.. |
| 12:01.18 | bart416 | are you using a vmware virtual network between machines? |
| 12:01.20 | coach | same error, perhaps because it were the same settings as before? |
| 12:01.20 | elias__ | bart416: that's not what I am saying |
| 12:01.46 | coach | i used /dev/input/mice and explorer/ps2 |
| 12:01.47 | liable | coach: paste your x config and log to a paster |
| 12:01.48 | bart416 | elias__, i guess you might want to connect eth1 in that case :S |
| 12:01.53 | elias__ | bart416: I am saying maybe vmware wants to use eth0 but my eth0 is down because I am using my wlan interface |
| 12:02.04 | elias__ | bart416: how would I? |
| 12:02.06 | coach | liable: how? i'm lost without x^^ |
| 12:02.32 | bart416 | elias__, a lame option would be redericting all calls from eth0 to eth1 but i have no clue how to do that :S |
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| 12:03.15 | elias__ | no way to simply tell vmware to use eth1? |
| 12:03.24 | liable | coach: i dont have it in me tonight to explain, do you have an irc client you can use without x? |
| 12:03.38 | coach | yes, i'm currently using 1^^ |
| 12:03.41 | coach | (irssi) |
| 12:03.47 | liable | elias__: try #vmware |
| 12:03.48 | tralala | !pastewithoutx |
| 12:03.49 | dpkg | it has been said that pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 12:03.57 | liable | coach: /j #flood |
| 12:04.05 | bart416 | elias__, i hav eno clue about vmware on not standard interfaces :S |
| 12:04.08 | bart416 | Never tried it |
| 12:04.09 | bart416 | lol |
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| 12:04.56 | liable | coach: ?? |
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| 12:06.09 | liable | meh, my attention span is waning, i give up.. |
| 12:06.21 | coach | liable: i have to fight with w3m, i never used it before^^ |
| 12:06.38 | liable | coach: i said... /j #flood |
| 12:06.43 | coach | wtf? |
| 12:06.52 | coach | i'm not that oftn @irc^^ |
| 12:07.07 | liable | type it in irrsi |
| 12:07.08 | coach | *often |
| 12:07.23 | bart416 | tralala, now i should just ship the files over to a directory on the laptop i guess? |
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| 12:07.48 | tralala | bart416: that's right. Then you join them with cat file1 ... fileN > initrd |
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| 12:08.58 | chjunior | stew: are you good? do you remember my problem with the soundboard that the system was not creating the /dev/dsp? I solved the problem just setting the buggy_semaphore=1 in modeprobe (modproble snd_intel8x0 buggy_semaphore=1) |
| 12:09.11 | tralala | bart416: you might finally want to make sure that the md5 sum of the copied initrd matches with the original |
| 12:09.22 | bart416 | kind a :| |
| 12:09.44 | tralala | eh? |
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| 12:10.18 | bart416 | a fcked up initrd file isn't healthy |
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| 12:10.54 | bart416 | huh |
| 12:11.05 | bart416 | tralala, isn't floppy drive /dev/fd0u1440? |
| 12:11.27 | Mooi | Hello, I installed g++-3.4 but there is no such thing as /usr/bin/g++ or anything g++ :/ any ideas? |
| 12:11.41 | tralala | bart416: you better make a filesystem on the floppy and copy it there or you'll have a problem with the size of the last chunk |
| 12:12.01 | bart416 | tralala, I formatted the floppy in windows |
| 12:12.07 | bart416 | FAT filesystem |
| 12:12.24 | tralala | bart416: then all you need is mount; copy; unmount |
| 12:13.30 | Mooi | oh, I think I found the solution, almost |
| 12:13.43 | tralala | and the device /dev/fd0 should cover any size automatically |
| 12:13.46 | Mooi | yey :] |
| 12:13.47 | bart416 | tralala, mount /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy ? |
| 12:14.06 | tralala | bart416: /dev/fd0 |
| 12:14.18 | bart416 | yeah, tried with fd0 |
| 12:14.27 | bart416 | mount point does not exist :| |
| 12:14.39 | tralala | mkdir /mnt/floppy -p |
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| 12:15.02 | tralala | now it does |
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| 12:17.54 | liable | !drxx coach |
| 12:17.54 | dpkg | coach: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 12:19.43 | tralala | oh, boy - I can use some sleep |
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| 12:21.06 | TMM | hi all |
| 12:21.08 | TMM | question: does anyone know if the linux quota system supports per-directory quotas on the same filesystem? or any project/tool that can do this? |
| 12:21.16 | tralala | bart416: doesn't it have a NIC? |
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| 12:21.27 | bart416 | tralala, NIC ? |
| 12:21.41 | tralala | !nic |
| 12:21.41 | dpkg | somebody said nic was (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 12:21.42 | enouf | oh boy |
| 12:21.48 | bart416 | dpkg, nope :( |
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| 12:21.50 | bart416 | only pcmcia |
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| 12:22.11 | tralala | bart416: but you do have a pcmcia nic, don't you? |
| 12:22.12 | bart416 | and those standard serial, vga & joystick lines |
| 12:22.17 | bart416 | yeah |
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| 12:22.26 | dpy | hey guys |
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| 12:22.48 | tuxedup | Has anyone tried the encrypted filesystems with the etch beta 3 installer. If so are there any major problems with using the filesystems? |
| 12:22.55 | dpy | has anyone here ever succeeded in creating an UDF disc image directly from a huge file ? |
| 12:23.05 | aje | hello;. i have trouble changing the default locale on my debian machine. i want to change it from posix to en_us-iso-8859-15. i installed the new locale with apt-get install locales and dpkg-reconfigure locales and chose the new default locale afterwards. for some reason debian wont change the default locale when i log in afterwards. it's still set to 'posix'. |
| 12:23.18 | aje | how can i fix that? i want the locale to be 'en_us'... |
| 12:23.31 | tralala | bart416: then you should be able to use it once you're done with the kernel. |
| 12:24.02 | bart416 | oh fuck, crc error on the floppy |
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| 12:24.07 | bart416 | floppy is broken i guess |
| 12:24.21 | tralala | bart416: I hope you have other floppies |
| 12:24.26 | bart416 | yeah |
| 12:24.29 | bart416 | a lot :P |
| 12:24.43 | bart416 | Ronin, out of the question :| |
| 12:24.53 | bart416 | anything that costs more then 150 euro is impossible :p |
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| 12:25.45 | aje | ...? |
| 12:25.57 | Ronin | get a job bart416, it would be easier on your head and done by now :) |
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| 12:26.10 | bart416 | Ronin, uhm at the end of the vacation |
| 12:26.11 | bart416 | doubt it |
| 12:26.26 | bart416 | Its amazing i don't have anything to do atm |
| 12:26.26 | bart416 | :| |
| 12:26.54 | liable | have a wank! |
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| 12:26.59 | bart416 | Ronin, The last few weeks i have been playing Demolition Squad :P |
| 12:27.10 | bart416 | Yay for hammers & grinding disks |
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| 12:27.14 | bart416 | else i would still be bussy :| |
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| 12:31.13 | aje | any suggestions? |
| 12:31.51 | bionoid | aje: apt-get install localeconf |
| 12:31.52 | bionoid | then type localeconf |
| 12:32.15 | bart416 | aje, |
| 12:32.18 | bart416 | sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:32.31 | bart416 | prolly something in xorg :| |
| 12:32.50 | bart416 | or was that only for keyboard layout |
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| 12:33.48 | enouf | aje: update-locale maybe ? what's /etc/default/locale say? |
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| 12:34.22 | netsurf3 | hey i need to find the 2.6.15-486 kernel package for etch where can i get this as i am having problems locating it on the debian ftp site |
| 12:34.31 | aje | bionoid: it worked! thanks. :) |
| 12:34.34 | netsurf3 | i cannot use apt get to obtain this either |
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| 12:34.40 | enouf | ask cydork :-p |
| 12:35.05 | liable | netsurf3: its probably not in etch anymore. why do you need that specific kernel? |
| 12:35.36 | tralala | netsurf3: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 12:36.04 | liable | netsurf3: in fact, i dont think that ever existed (what you wrote) |
| 12:36.33 | netsurf3 | liable i ran a dodgy script and it rm'ed all my modules O.O |
| 12:36.52 | liable | netsurf3: just get whatever kernel is available |
| 12:37.10 | Shadowcat | netsurf3: haha |
| 12:37.17 | netsurf3 | shush |
| 12:37.20 | Shadowcat | sucker! |
| 12:37.29 | Shadowcat | rebuild the kernel with teh source |
| 12:37.32 | Shadowcat | the* |
| 12:37.32 | bart416 | something like this kernel: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/hd-media/2.6/ |
| 12:37.56 | netsurf3 | O.o |
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| 12:38.06 | netsurf3 | i ment the package |
| 12:38.08 | benjamindees | heh don't use that |
| 12:38.24 | bart416 | get the source code of the modules netsurf3 :| |
| 12:38.42 | Shadowcat | netsurf3: that package doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:38.43 | bart416 | !google |
| 12:38.43 | dpkg | google is, like, a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 12:38.44 | netsurf3 | bart416: it would be easier to just install the package |
| 12:38.50 | tralala | bart416: I think you ought to focus on the copying |
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| 12:39.01 | Shadowcat | netsurf3: either get the newest kernel in etch/sid |
| 12:39.04 | Shadowcat | or rebuild from source |
| 12:39.05 | tralala | netsurf3: did you see sdn already? |
| 12:39.06 | bart416 | tralala, it takes a while :P |
| 12:39.20 | netsurf3 | tralala: sdn? |
| 12:39.39 | tralala | netsurf3: /lastlog tralala |
| 12:40.23 | msn | i am trying to autoenable ip forwarding in sysctl.conf by setting the variable to 1 |
| 12:40.45 | msn | but whatever i do even after a restart the variable is still set to 0 |
| 12:40.56 | tralala | msn: you should do this from /etc/network/options |
| 12:40.56 | bart416 | tralala, copying the last file |
| 12:40.58 | msn | even tried sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 12:41.04 | msn | still the same |
| 12:41.23 | Mitja | Is there a apt command which would clean up this: "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal", as I can't reinstall the package? |
| 12:41.24 | tralala | msn: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 12:41.28 | msn | yup |
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| 12:41.42 | msn | 2.6.17-1-686 |
| 12:41.42 | msn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.58 | tralala | as in sid? |
| 12:42.02 | msn | yup |
| 12:42.06 | tralala | file a bug report |
| 12:42.12 | benjamindees | Mitar, dpkg --force-help |
| 12:42.24 | msn | k |
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| 12:43.01 | helfrez | interesting, anyone have any problems with spellchecking in etch? spellchecker doesn't apear to be working on openoffice and I tried using dic to install more dictionaries... |
| 12:43.06 | netsurf3 | tralala: hmm not there |
| 12:43.14 | bart416 | tralala, so cat part1 part2 part3 > initrd.gz should work ? |
| 12:43.18 | msn | tralala: but the same thing is working on another machine |
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| 12:43.22 | tralala | bart416: yes |
| 12:43.37 | netsurf3 | what will i need to take into account when installing the latest kernel from etch? |
| 12:43.46 | bart416 | tralala, how do i check the size of something? |
| 12:43.49 | msn | tralala: its messing up only on this machine |
| 12:43.59 | tralala | msn: then you need to figure out what are the differences between the two installations |
| 12:44.12 | bart416 | oh yeah |
| 12:44.13 | bart416 | ls -s |
| 12:44.15 | bart416 | forgot |
| 12:44.17 | bart416 | srry |
| 12:44.36 | tralala | netsurf3: I guess you need to install a different kernel then |
| 12:44.39 | bart416 | tralala, the file on the laptop is a bit of in size |
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| 12:44.57 | bart416 | 14 :| |
| 12:45.07 | netsurf3 | tralala: is it as easy as just installing the image? |
| 12:45.15 | bart416 | and vmlinux is 6 off |
| 12:45.19 | mr_blue | hello all |
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| 12:45.28 | benjamindees | bart416, that's not good :-/ |
| 12:45.36 | tralala | netsurf3: it's as easy as apt-get install linux-image-$version |
| 12:45.36 | bart416 | *vmlinuz |
| 12:45.38 | mr_blue | how to know which is the linux distrib of box ? |
| 12:45.47 | netsurf3 | tralala: no network |
| 12:45.52 | mr_blue | uname -a gives the kernel number version |
| 12:45.53 | benjamindees | bart416, fdformat your floppies and throw away any that don't pass |
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| 12:46.28 | tralala | netsurf3: how do you plan to install it then? |
| 12:46.30 | bart416 | benjamindees, i used 3 dif flopies in total |
| 12:46.43 | syntaxx | hmm pornview in backports is same as pornview in sarge it hangs when you try to view image i think the bug is in sarge |
| 12:46.52 | M0E-lnx | how do I get debian to tell me which port is listening for ssh? |
| 12:46.53 | netsurf3 | tralala: copy the package over from another pc |
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| 12:47.02 | tralala | bart416: what are the partX sizes? |
| 12:47.12 | bart416 | 1407 1407 971 |
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| 12:47.30 | bart416 | looks like it ads 7 bytes/bits whatever it is :| |
| 12:47.35 | Tallu | Uhm. Stupid question but how would I go about removing an unused kernel? |
| 12:47.41 | tralala | bart416: that's about right |
| 12:47.50 | Shadowcat | sigh and they say global warming isn't happening |
| 12:47.57 | Shadowcat | it's been raining like it's the tropics here for the past week |
| 12:48.01 | bart416 | lol |
| 12:48.02 | benjamindees | Tallu, dpkg --remove kernel-image-blah-blah |
| 12:48.06 | Shadowcat | and I'm a day from the arctic circle |
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| 12:48.12 | Tallu | benjamindees: thanks :) |
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| 12:48.26 | netsurf3 | ? |
| 12:48.30 | tralala | bart416: md5sum < initrd.gz on both the machines and compare the results |
| 12:48.37 | netsurf3 | whats going on |
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| 12:48.56 | tralala | netsurf3: over what? |
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| 12:49.11 | netsurf3 | i have one pc working |
| 12:49.15 | netsurf3 | my laptop |
| 12:49.20 | netsurf3 | the one with no modules |
| 12:49.25 | bart416 | md5 checksum is the same tralala |
| 12:49.51 | tralala | bart416: you're done with me then. liable should take it from here |
| 12:50.01 | benjamindees | how is the md5sum the same if the sizes are different? |
| 12:50.04 | netsurf3 | tralala: so i ask if i get the latest etch kernel image, is there anything else it depends on? |
| 12:50.14 | bart416 | benjamindees, maybe time records ? |
| 12:50.35 | bart416 | and the fs is prolly different |
| 12:50.38 | bart416 | actually it is |
| 12:50.44 | bart416 | laptop hd is ext2 or 3 |
| 12:50.45 | bart416 | not sure |
| 12:50.51 | tralala | netsurf3: I can't see how are you going to actually get the image to the not-networked computer |
| 12:51.03 | netsurf3 | tralala: it dual boots win98 |
| 12:51.07 | netsurf3 | and i have a usb disk |
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| 12:52.10 | tralala | netsurf3: the linux-image might depend on yaird or such but it's worthed to try it |
| 12:52.22 | netsurf3 | yaird? |
| 12:52.33 | tralala | netsurf3: just get it and try to install it |
| 12:52.37 | netsurf3 | lol |
| 12:52.38 | netsurf3 | k |
| 12:53.12 | netsurf3 | mmm 14.9mb of debian goodness |
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| 12:53.27 | strange_stone | Hello :) |
| 12:53.53 | Mitja | How can I get rid off a package that block apt from installing/removing anything? |
| 12:54.02 | Mitja | dpkg --force didn't help |
| 12:54.13 | tralala | apt-get -f install |
| 12:54.24 | Mitja | tralala, will that remove it? |
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| 12:54.34 | msn | tralala: its just a simple apache install |
| 12:54.45 | msn | I was just trying to route some traffic via it |
| 12:54.45 | tralala | Mitja: It will inform you what it intends to do |
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| 12:55.24 | tralala | msn: are the two machines in question up to date with the latest sid? |
| 12:55.24 | Mitja | tralala, it says it needs to be reinstalled |
| 12:55.29 | msn | yup |
| 12:55.39 | Mitja | but it can't find an archive for it |
| 12:55.40 | msn | just installed kernel 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 12:55.51 | msn | everything is latest |
| 12:56.00 | tralala | msn: on both of them? |
| 12:56.06 | msn | I have a local mirror which updates them |
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| 12:56.15 | msn | so there can't be any difference between them |
| 12:57.11 | tralala | Mitja: pastebin the exact output |
| 12:57.54 | Mitja | http://rafb.net/paste/results/xCLYKB30.html |
| 12:57.59 | tralala | msn: is your options file ok? |
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| 12:58.23 | msn | options file? sysctl.conf? |
| 12:58.33 | tralala | msn: /etc/network/options |
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| 12:58.52 | tralala | Mitja: did you try to remove it? |
| 12:59.02 | Mitja | tralala, yes |
| 12:59.04 | liable | options is deprecated |
| 12:59.05 | bart416 | liable, what should the ramdisk size be? |
| 12:59.07 | msn | tralala: there is no such file |
| 12:59.17 | tralala | oh, ok |
| 12:59.21 | Mitja | tralala, it's the same output |
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| 12:59.25 | liable | bart416: 12000 iirc, see the install guide i linked you too |
| 12:59.34 | bart416 | okay |
| 12:59.43 | bart416 | mhhh, this is going to be a problem |
| 12:59.44 | bart416 | lol |
| 12:59.47 | bart416 | I suck with vi |
| 12:59.48 | bart416 | XD |
| 12:59.54 | tralala | Mitja: does apt-get update perform correctly? |
| 13:00.02 | Mitja | tralala, yes |
| 13:00.19 | liable | bart416: vi crash course, i to edit, shift+zz to save and close |
| 13:00.56 | tralala | <esc> shfit+zz |
| 13:01.09 | liable | bart416: oh, esc first before the zz bit |
| 13:01.14 | tralala | msn: I blame it on sid |
| 13:01.23 | msn | :( |
| 13:01.31 | tralala | Mitja: try to change the mirror |
| 13:01.36 | msn | this is the first time something like this has happened |
| 13:01.43 | Mitja | tralala, I installed it from .deb |
| 13:01.44 | msn | in past 3 years |
| 13:01.49 | Mitja | tralala, using dpkg |
| 13:01.54 | msn | been using sid everytwhere since then |
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| 13:02.09 | tralala | Mitja: can you remove it using dpkg -P? |
| 13:02.10 | liable | msn: sid has never broken in 3 years? |
| 13:02.16 | msn | nope |
| 13:02.18 | msn | noe for me |
| 13:02.21 | liable | msn: you musnt upgrade often.. |
| 13:02.21 | msn | not for me |
| 13:02.33 | msn | I mean I havebeen upgrading almost daily |
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| 13:02.36 | tralala | msn: it won't be the last time though |
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| 13:02.41 | msn | even after daily dist-upgrades |
| 13:02.42 | Mitja | tralala, http://rafb.net/paste/results/WRupIZ26.html |
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| 13:03.21 | tralala | Mitja: how nice. Where did you get this package from? |
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| 13:03.52 | Mitja | tralala, here http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
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| 13:04.25 | liable | msn: you want xgl? |
| 13:04.34 | liable | Mitja: you want xgl? |
| 13:04.38 | Mitja | no |
| 13:04.45 | Mitja | I wanted compiz |
| 13:04.47 | tralala | Mitja: is dpkg -i able to reinstall it? |
| 13:04.54 | Mitja | Now I just want to fix apt. |
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| 13:04.57 | liable | why not? |
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| 13:05.26 | liable | Mitja: you using aiglx? |
| 13:05.52 | Mitja | tralala, http://rafb.net/paste/results/WR564D54.html |
| 13:05.52 | Mitja | liable, I don't know |
| 13:06.04 | liable | Mitja: then why do you want compiz? |
| 13:06.22 | Mitja | liable, I said I don't want it anymore. I just want to fix apt. |
| 13:06.30 | liable | Mitja: it requires either xgl or aiglx (i cant get it to work with aiglx) |
| 13:07.18 | tralala | Mitja: man, what's that package trying to do with SuSEconfig?! |
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| 13:07.25 | liable | Mitja: it might help if you know what you need for it to work before you install it then :P |
| 13:07.42 | Mitja | tralala, I don't know. |
| 13:07.57 | bart416 | uhm, i did that liable |
| 13:07.58 | bart416 | now? |
| 13:08.00 | msn | tralala: which is the correct parameter for sysctl.conf |
| 13:08.01 | _mel_ | hello. i use debain sarge with exim4. exim don't log anything to /var/log/mail.*. how can i enable it? |
| 13:08.03 | msn | net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 13:08.04 | msn | net.ipv4.conf.forwarding=1 |
| 13:08.07 | bart416 | Boot the kernel i guess |
| 13:08.10 | msn | of the above 2? |
| 13:08.12 | bart416 | what i just did actually :p |
| 13:08.17 | tralala | Mitja: edit the post-removal script and remove any SuSEconfig references |
| 13:08.31 | Mitja | tralala, where is that? |
| 13:08.39 | msn | sysctl.conf has the first variable which doesn't do anything |
| 13:08.50 | tralala | msn: sysctl -a | grep ip_forward |
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| 13:08.59 | msn | while the one below is the which is actually setting the variable |
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| 13:09.27 | tralala | msn: none of the above is related to ipv4 routing |
| 13:09.51 | msn | well forwarding won;t work without them |
| 13:09.51 | tralala | well, at least not in the way you need it |
| 13:10.12 | bart416 | liable, its searching for installation iso images :| |
| 13:10.17 | bart416 | what should i do? |
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| 13:10.52 | liable | bart416: what stage is this? right after boot? |
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| 13:11.04 | tralala | msn: I've never had to set any of them to enable forwarding |
| 13:11.09 | bart416 | yeah |
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| 13:11.15 | liable | Mitja: you could eit the status file, and delete /usr/bin/xgl |
| 13:11.15 | tralala | msn: what you need is net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 13:11.15 | bart416 | selected language and regian and keyboard |
| 13:11.23 | bart416 | *region |
| 13:11.49 | syntaxx | backported wine works alright in sarge? |
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| 13:11.55 | liable | bart416: what did you put for the boot line? |
| 13:12.00 | liable | in menu.lst |
| 13:12.05 | Mitja | liable, /usr/bin/xgl doesn't exist |
| 13:12.10 | tralala | Mitja: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 13:12.20 | bart416 | liable, its lilo :| |
| 13:12.29 | liable | Mitja: well it doesnt look like it even installed then, |
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| 13:12.31 | bart416 | image=/boot/newinstall/vmlinuz |
| 13:12.32 | bart416 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.32 | bart416 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.32 | bart416 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.32 | bart416 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.41 | bart416 | :| |
| 13:12.43 | bart416 | i keep forgetting that |
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| 13:13.00 | msn | tralala: issue being why it works on one comp and not other.. |
| 13:13.01 | msn | :( |
| 13:13.06 | liable | bart416: the append line is the last one? |
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| 13:13.17 | bart416 | huh |
| 13:13.20 | bart416 | what you mean liable |
| 13:13.22 | tralala | msn: because the one has ip_forward set to 1 and the other doesn't? |
| 13:13.26 | liable | bart416: in lilo.conf |
| 13:13.28 | bart416 | yes |
| 13:13.28 | msn | nope |
| 13:13.30 | bart416 | its the last line |
| 13:13.39 | msn | the files are same in both |
| 13:13.51 | msn | while one reads the file and sets the varibale in proc to 1 |
| 13:13.56 | msn | the other does not |
| 13:13.57 | liable | bart416: i have no idea why its looking for an iso, i havent ever had it do that |
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| 13:14.16 | liable | bart416: it just hangs on it? |
| 13:14.26 | bart416 | liable, no it can't find an image (duuuuuuh) |
| 13:14.40 | bart416 | so it goes back to main menu of the setup |
| 13:14.45 | tralala | msn: sysctl -a > comp1.conf and sysctl -a > comp2.conf then diff them and you'll have your answer |
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| 13:14.55 | bart416 | liable, what is the smallest debian install image? |
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| 13:15.17 | nk_ | hi there. what was it to type to make my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to create a XF86Config-4 file? guess I edited it by hand once ago, changes are not saved |
| 13:15.22 | liable | bart416: that kernel shouldnt ask for it.. |
| 13:15.26 | bart416 | :S |
| 13:15.35 | liable | bart416: but the netinst is about 140M |
| 13:15.38 | bart416 | liable, i used: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/hd-media/2.6/ |
| 13:15.39 | bart416 | :| |
| 13:15.48 | bart416 | just like you said |
| 13:16.12 | msn | tralala: the difference I know ip_forward=1 in one and =0 in second but to set it to 1 default you change sysctl.conf which is same in both |
| 13:16.18 | msn | one is reading it other is not |
| 13:16.31 | bart416 | liable, does that 2.6 kernel have pcmcia support ? |
| 13:16.37 | liable | bart416: yes |
| 13:16.44 | tralala | msn: the one has it mistyped? |
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| 13:16.53 | bart416 | liable, wouldn't it be possible to start the pcmcia driver? |
| 13:17.01 | bart416 | and download the real install image to the hd |
| 13:17.04 | Mitja | tralala, thanks, I removed reference to suseconfig in .postrm and it worked |
| 13:17.06 | msn | nope |
| 13:17.21 | tralala | Mitja: glad to hear it |
| 13:17.24 | msn | I just needed to remove a # in the file to get it activated |
| 13:17.34 | tralala | msn: did you actually diff them? |
| 13:17.55 | Mitja | good lesson for next time (stay away from domesticating alien rpms) |
| 13:18.02 | bart416 | liable, should i start the pcmcia kernel module? |
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| 13:18.04 | nk_ | huhu :) |
| 13:18.13 | tralala | Mitja: indeed! |
| 13:18.16 | nk_ | how to create a XF86Config-4 file? |
| 13:18.19 | liable | bart416: hrm, reading the install guide, it seems that i pointed you to the wrong imaes |
| 13:18.23 | liable | images.. |
| 13:18.33 | tralala | !kick liable |
| 13:19.06 | tralala | bart416: you've been revanged |
| 13:19.12 | Mitja | liable, do you run compiz on debian? |
| 13:19.20 | liable | Mitja: yes |
| 13:19.26 | Mitja | Where did you get it? |
| 13:19.40 | bart416 | lol |
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| 13:19.49 | bart416 | i loaded the pcmcia_core module |
| 13:19.49 | liable | Mitja: i made it, if you wanna try, liable.mine.nu/xgl |
| 13:19.53 | nk_ | dexconf... I see |
| 13:19.54 | bart416 | now what? |
| 13:20.41 | msn | tralala: http://pastebin.ca/142427 |
| 13:20.43 | liable | Mitja: its made for sid, and i take absolutely no responsibilty if it breaks your box |
| 13:20.50 | Mitja | ok :D |
| 13:20.57 | tralala | bart416: you'll need some userland tools in order to have pcmcia nic to operate. If you already have them installed you could probably use them |
| 13:21.15 | msn | the first file is the one working and second is not working one |
| 13:21.15 | bart416 | tralala, what tools do i need? |
| 13:21.18 | liable | bart416: how did you start pcmcia? |
| 13:21.24 | bart416 | modprobe pcmcia |
| 13:21.40 | liable | bart416: can the installer continue from where it is though? |
| 13:22.34 | bart416 | liable, yeah but it needs an image |
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| 13:22.49 | tralala | msn: jugding by the line "< net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0" I'd say that one of your files has the forwarding disabled |
| 13:23.32 | bart416 | liable, its a long shot but would it be possible to get network working and then just start the net install from the floppy ? |
| 13:23.41 | tralala | bart416: check /etc/init.d/*pcmcia* |
| 13:24.06 | bart416 | tralala, init.d doesn't exist |
| 13:24.20 | msn | tralala: the one whish is working has it disabled |
| 13:24.24 | tralala | bart416: didn't you say you have mandrake installed? |
| 13:24.28 | bart416 | yeah |
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| 13:24.32 | bart416 | /dev/hda0 |
| 13:24.40 | bart416 | should be mounted, it was searching for an image on the disk |
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| 13:25.00 | msn | but I am still able to access the internet using it as my firewall |
| 13:25.06 | liable | bart416: i apologise, i have used the hd-medai a couple of times with sarge kernels, it seems you need different ones for etch |
| 13:25.17 | liable | bart416: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
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| 13:25.45 | bart416 | what files do i need :SQ |
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| 13:25.57 | tralala | msn: I strongly doubt that. Anyway I recall you saying that you have the same sysctl.conf, but the paste shows quite a lot of differences. |
| 13:25.59 | liable | vmlinuz and initrd |
| 13:26.15 | liable | err, linux and initrd |
| 13:26.16 | daft | I cant print to a windows printer with smbspool while smbclient still is able to print. knows some one what im doing wrong? |
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| 13:27.01 | msn | the eth difference are coz one machine has 3 cards and other has 5 |
| 13:27.09 | tralala | daft: #samba perhaps? |
| 13:27.19 | Mitja | liable, your deb copy of xserver-xgl tries to overwrite Xserver.1x.gz, so I'm not sure I wanna do this |
| 13:27.31 | liable | Mitja: its only a mnan file... |
| 13:27.38 | liable | man file.. |
| 13:27.59 | liable | Mitja: if you arent sure, then dont.. |
| 13:28.00 | daft | o yea thankx tralala |
| 13:28.10 | tralala | daft: sure |
| 13:29.28 | tralala | msn: Well, my guess is that the computers behave differently because they are instructed to behave differently. If you want them to behave alike instruct them to do so. |
| 13:29.43 | Mitja | liable, this man file is "monitored" from somewhere else also, it won't install even if it's renamed or not present |
| 13:29.58 | msn | tralala: that is the issue I don't know where actually am I screwing up |
| 13:30.09 | liable | Mitja: dont do it if you dont know much about dpkg |
| 13:30.09 | msn | everything is same except ofcourse |
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| 13:30.24 | msn | the one working has 2 ADSLs load balanced using iproute |
| 13:30.31 | msn | and this one has 4 connections |
| 13:30.43 | Mitja | heh, I just might not know enough ... |
| 13:30.59 | Mitja | Any word when compiz for Etch is coming around? |
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| 13:31.32 | liable | Mitja: its not even in experimental yet.. |
| 13:31.39 | tralala | msn: I guess you need to do some studying |
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| 13:32.40 | Mitja | oh well, it's just candy anyway |
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| 13:33.20 | msn | well okey tralala thanks for the help |
| 13:33.26 | liable | Mitja: its pretty fucking cool eye candy though :P |
| 13:33.34 | tralala | msn: you're welcome |
| 13:33.42 | Mooi | "apt-get remove inkscape" wants to remove gnome and gnome-office. Any way round this?:s |
| 13:34.14 | liable | Mitja: gnome is a meta-package, and i suspect gnome-office is too |
| 13:34.24 | Mooi | Mooi, not mitja!:) |
| 13:34.41 | tralala | Mitja: the last time I've played with software I didn't really needed I ended up reinstalling. This was a couple of weeks ago. I guess I'll let some time pass by until I try that again. |
| 13:34.41 | liable | yeh, nicktab borkage :P |
| 13:34.52 | msn | think i fixed it |
| 13:34.54 | msn | :P |
| 13:34.57 | msn | lemme check |
| 13:34.57 | Mooi | :] |
| 13:35.09 | Mooi | so wait, if i do that command, and say yes then gnome wont be removed, right? |
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| 13:35.21 | Mitja | tralala, good point |
| 13:35.21 | Mooi | or what |
| 13:35.32 | mcgreg | can anybody tell me what the process "gam_server "comes from? |
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| 13:35.49 | mcgreg | what=where |
| 13:35.52 | mcgreg | or what it is |
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| 13:36.10 | tralala | mcgreg: a game server? |
| 13:36.10 | liable | Mooi: if it just wants to remove tose two packages, you are golden |
| 13:36.26 | msn | it worked |
| 13:36.28 | msn | there was an issue with iproute |
| 13:36.30 | tralala | or a backdoor |
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| 13:36.38 | Mooi | im confused (non english) |
| 13:36.44 | Mitja | liable, what if I compile xgl and compiz from cvs? are they even available? |
| 13:36.50 | mcgreg | tralala: but it is started from a user ... |
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| 13:36.58 | Mooi | mcgreg: your answer lies in the first result in google search |
| 13:37.00 | liable | Mitja: how do you think i made it? |
| 13:37.02 | mcgreg | tralala: I havent started anything like this |
| 13:37.08 | Mooi | http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/ .. |
| 13:37.14 | mcgreg | Mooi: ok, I'll try |
| 13:37.22 | Mooi | mcgreg: http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/ |
| 13:37.37 | daft | I have a samba problem but it seems #samba is off for lunch or some thing :/ I cant print to a windows printer with smbspool while smbclient still is able to print. knows some one what im doing wrong? |
| 13:37.53 | msn | well thanks tralal |
| 13:37.56 | msn | well thanks tralala |
| 13:38.04 | tralala | msn: sure |
| 13:38.05 | msn | now for problem another prob. |
| 13:38.09 | msn | :P |
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| 13:38.32 | M0E-lnx | is there a command I can issue on debian to see which ports are open and what they're listening for? |
| 13:38.39 | liable | Mitja: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xgl |
| 13:38.42 | msn | I have Asus P5WD2-e premium board with onboard 2 Marvell yukon gigabit cards |
| 13:38.51 | msn | the kernel detects both of them |
| 13:38.51 | Mooi | M0E-lnx: netstat |
| 13:39.12 | msn | but by the time the network script executes one of the interface vanishes |
| 13:39.18 | M0E-lnx | thanks Mooi |
| 13:39.25 | msn | it always the first on which vanishes |
| 13:39.32 | mcgreg | Mooi: thx. now I see. |
| 13:39.33 | Mooi | yw |
| 13:39.35 | Mitja | liable, thanks |
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| 13:40.44 | msn | tralala: any directions |
| 13:40.54 | anabain | does anyone have an ASUS M2NPV-VM geforce6150/430? |
| 13:41.17 | anabain | LAN doesn't work on this board... |
| 13:41.30 | msn | what is onboard card anabain |
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| 13:42.35 | Mooi | anabain: boot up the pc, and do lspci. it should show the device list. find your device, google for "linux "+ <device name> and probably will give some useful information |
| 13:42.47 | tralala | msn: I can tell you, but then I'll have to kill you. |
| 13:43.09 | Mooi | anabain: as well, you can check with lsmod if drivers are loaded at all. ifconfig should show you list of interfaces on your machine |
| 13:44.15 | msn | hmmm offer is acceptable tralala |
| 13:44.24 | msn | you can tell me |
| 13:44.31 | msn | then come over n kill me |
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| 13:46.15 | tralala | msn: can you bring the missing interface up manually? |
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| 13:47.03 | msn | nope |
| 13:47.09 | msn | says no such interface |
| 13:47.49 | talisker[w] | God damnit |
| 13:48.05 | talisker[w] | I've spent so much time installing my favourite desktop enviroment |
| 13:48.20 | Mooi | talisker[w]: and that is..? |
| 13:48.23 | talisker[w] | and now that it's installed, I haven't the faintest idea how to get it into the gdm session list |
| 13:48.24 | talisker[w] | ion3 |
| 13:48.29 | tralala | msn: any relevant info in dmesg? |
| 13:48.38 | msn | hmmmm |
| 13:48.55 | msn | i was trying to log iptables so dmesg got cleared |
| 13:49.14 | talisker[w] | and I've asked on so many places |
| 13:49.18 | tralala | msn: try to reload the nic module |
| 13:49.29 | Mooi | talisker[w]: hm, you need to restart gdm first. That's all i know |
| 13:49.31 | msn | doesn't work |
| 13:49.34 | talisker[w] | It seems as though it's the most hidden secret in the linux community |
| 13:49.44 | tralala | !doesn't work |
| 13:49.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:49.45 | msn | tried using the proprietry module from marvell |
| 13:49.53 | msn | doesn't work |
| 13:50.13 | Mooi | ..or maybe /etc/gdm has something, talisker[w] |
| 13:50.23 | talisker[w] | Mooi, I had a peak there |
| 13:50.27 | talisker[w] | it's full of gnome crap |
| 13:50.31 | msn | lemme try to get dmesg |
| 13:51.22 | benjamindees | I only know how to do that in Fedora |
| 13:51.31 | Mooi | talisker[w]: what about gdm's docs? |
| 13:51.36 | tralala | msn: I'll leave in 10 minutes. On the bright side - you won't have to die. |
| 13:51.48 | msn | lol |
| 13:51.54 | msn | i rather dir |
| 13:51.55 | talisker[w] | Overwhelming with useless information and extremely unclear |
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| 13:51.56 | msn | die |
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| 13:52.26 | Mooi | damn |
| 13:52.29 | bart416 | liable, rebooting |
| 13:52.33 | Mooi | talisker[w]: did you ask #gnome , #gnome-dev? |
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| 13:52.53 | talisker[w] | I asked #gnome |
| 13:53.09 | Mooi | talisker[w]: what about the sourcecode of gdm? It should show a clear source of all the info |
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| 13:54.19 | benjamindees | iirc there's a dir in /usr somewhere that contains a file for each entry in gdm |
| 13:54.39 | Mooi | thats what i thought too |
| 13:54.50 | Mooi | now looking |
| 13:55.30 | tralala | strace gdm 2>&1 | grep open |
| 13:55.42 | Mooi | talisker[w]: /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 13:55.43 | msn | http://pastebin.ca/142476 |
| 13:55.50 | msn | that's my dmesg |
| 13:55.52 | msn | long it is |
| 13:55.56 | Mooi | that is the one |
| 13:55.58 | bart416 | oh great, its asking for an image again :'( |
| 13:55.58 | tralala | that ought to report the files accessed by gdm |
| 13:55.59 | talisker[w] | Mooi, I'm already there |
| 13:56.04 | Mooi | talisker[w]: great :} |
| 13:56.07 | talisker[w] | but I don't really know what to do there |
| 13:56.11 | eric_cui | how can I redirect all output of kernel messages to /dev/null. I work in text mode, i plug an usb pen drive, the udev(maybe hotplug) prompt some message bout my usb disk. |
| 13:56.24 | eric_cui | i just want redirect all the message to /dev/null. I use CONSOLE=/dev/NULL option, it didn't work. |
| 13:56.37 | tralala | msn: what's the nic model? |
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| 13:56.48 | beardy | eric_cui: You don't want to do that, change the loglevel to print to the console. |
| 13:56.51 | msn | Marvel Yukon |
| 13:56.58 | msn | the module is sky2 |
| 13:57.21 | tralala | and which eth is that? |
| 13:57.34 | Mooi | talisker[w]: well, copy one of the files, rename it and modify to suit ion3 entries |
| 13:57.35 | tralala | okay, found it |
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| 13:57.54 | talisker[w] | Mooi, there's only one file there, with a greeting to gnome in ten million different languages and dialects |
| 13:57.56 | eric_cui | beardy: which part that I should change? where i can change the log level? |
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| 13:58.08 | msn | ifconfig eth4 192.168.2.2 |
| 13:58.10 | msn | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 13:58.12 | msn | eth4: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 13:58.16 | Mooi | talisker[w]: wow, mine is very different though |
| 13:58.21 | R6Ale | howdy guys, im having problems with sound. anyone willing to lend a hand? im running etch with some sid stuff |
| 13:58.28 | Mooi | eth4 ?! must be right |
| 13:58.30 | Mooi | rich * |
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| 13:59.03 | eric_cui | i'm running a main prog on text mode, every I plug my USB, the messages ruined the interface of the prog. |
| 13:59.40 | Mooi | talisker[w]: http://debian.od5.co.uk/137/txt/ |
| 14:00.06 | talisker[w] | oh, I missed the "exec" line |
| 14:00.09 | berzerka | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.11 | beardy | eric_cui: Unfortunately I can't remember where.. I have done it myself, but can't remember where, hold on. |
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| 14:00.33 | eric_cui | ok. |
| 14:00.38 | msn | tralala: so you gonna take the pleasure of killing me? |
| 14:00.53 | berzerka | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.00 | berzerka | oooops SORRY |
| 14:01.01 | cydork | ~/quit |
| 14:01.04 | apt | ACTION has signed off IRC (NULL), or <action> /quit #kde... hmm doesn't work... |
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| 14:01.44 | tralala | msn: I'm afraid not. Is this "sky2" a propriarity module? |
| 14:02.28 | msn | nope |
| 14:02.43 | msn | its the one available with kernel 2.6.15 onwards |
| 14:02.47 | msn | with all kernels |
| 14:03.08 | msn | earlier it seemed to be IRQ conflict but now its something else |
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| 14:04.04 | tralala | msn: some goodbye hints - play with the module's parameters (if any). Try to reload it after boot and mediate on the system messages. Good luck! |
| 14:04.14 | msn | ty |
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| 14:04.36 | thegve | Hello. I am writing a cybercafe application, and I am now on the point of checking running X sessions. I am using the nxserver encryption system, and this app reports all started sessions as "running", despite of pulled powercords etc. I then tried to check every session by running ps aux | grep <username> | grep gnome-session, and then counting the number of lines of output. But somehow gnome-session keeps running after I have pulled the powercord out of th |
| 14:04.37 | thegve | e thin client. |
| 14:04.45 | Talisker[w] | okie |
| 14:04.47 | thegve | Is there a reliable way to check running sessions? |
| 14:04.51 | Talisker[w] | I created an ion3.desktop file |
| 14:04.53 | Talisker[w] | but that wasn't enough |
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| 14:06.44 | Mooi | thegve: Well, my knowledge is tight but I think checking out xorg docs and using X.h header file might help |
| 14:06.48 | Morydd | I've got a compaq hnw-100 wireless card in my laptop and a fresh debian install, anyone able to help me get it running? |
| 14:07.03 | mcgreg | a question: I've looked into X-log and I see DRI (DRM) is enabled. but when I do glxinfo as user I get NO for direct rendering |
| 14:07.09 | mcgreg | how can this be? |
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| 14:08.33 | Morydd | I determined that it needs the orinocco_cs driver, but I'm not sure how to go about loading it and getting everything running. |
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| 14:11.12 | Mooi | thegve: hm, gnome-session is a client. So if the server (the thin client) doesnt operate, the client doesn't have to actually quit. If you modify gnome source then you can easily monitor any server failures |
| 14:13.22 | beardy | eric_cui: /etc/init.d/klogd In that file, put a comment on this, KLOGD="" , that is, '#KLOGD=""', then under it, write this, KLOGD="-c 3" to change the level of kernel messages printed to the console. (this is how it was done on Woody) |
| 14:13.32 | jelly-home | mcgreg: this can happen if incorrect libgl.so.1 is used, for example. |
| 14:14.08 | eric_cui | beardy:thx. I'll try it now. |
| 14:14.32 | jelly-home | mcgreg: ie. if you installed 3rd party/binary drivers. |
| 14:14.51 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 14:14.54 | mcgreg | didnt |
| 14:15.07 | netsurf3 | does www.debian.com not work for anyone else too? |
| 14:15.17 | beardy | netsurf3: It's debian.org |
| 14:15.24 | netsurf3 | whoops |
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| 14:16.08 | anabain | msn Mooi, thanks, but I've tried all this. I've even upgraded the MoBo's BIOS, but nothing, orange blinking but no response to ping... |
| 14:17.12 | thegve | Mooi: gnome-session is a script managing the gnome session I think?? I'm having some theories wrong sometimes so correct me if I have. The actual X session is a talk between the X.org client (terminal server) and the X.org server (terminal client) |
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| 14:38.47 | netsurf3 | the debian site is acting a little screwy is this normal? |
| 14:38.56 | alex___ | Anyone know where I can find a full list of xmodmap keycode identifiers? |
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| 14:39.17 | alex___ | I broke my up and left arrow keys on this laptop and using vim is a bitch without them so I wanna remap insert/home/pgup/end to left/up/right/down |
| 14:39.34 | streuner | netsurf3: heh? |
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| 14:40.26 | netsurf3 | it could be me but the links seem to time out. i get no error but just trying to go to debian packages doesn't work |
| 14:40.41 | netsurf3 | server under heavy load or something? |
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| 14:40.56 | streuner | via apt-get? |
| 14:40.59 | netsurf3 | no |
| 14:41.01 | netsurf3 | their site |
| 14:41.06 | netsurf3 | debian.org |
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| 14:41.31 | Ronin | works fine netsurf3 |
| 14:41.33 | jbalcomb | Does anyone know how to get bash to log commands to syslog? In Gentoo you just add the 'bashlogger' USE flag. |
| 14:41.42 | streuner | netsurf3: packages.debian.org ? |
| 14:41.42 | netsurf3 | hmm thats weird |
| 14:41.49 | netsurf3 | i'll try it again |
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| 14:42.07 | azeem | jbalcomb: figure out which compile option "bashlogger" sets and recompile bash with it |
| 14:42.26 | azeem | jbalcomb: or check the bash documentation whether this can be set at runtime |
| 14:42.35 | netsurf3 | streuner: http://packages.debian.org/testing/ is not loading it is acting like i never issued the command to go to that site |
| 14:42.57 | Ronin | netsurf3: heh still works fine :) |
| 14:43.04 | bart416 | netsurf3, yeah it works fine :| |
| 14:43.07 | netsurf3 | whats going on :( |
| 14:43.18 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 14:43.23 | netsurf3 | time to try opera |
| 14:43.26 | streuner | netsurf3: works fine here |
| 14:43.27 | streuner | no |
| 14:43.31 | streuner | don't use opera |
| 14:43.39 | netsurf3 | firefox wont run it |
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| 14:43.50 | jbalcomb | azeem: ok, i know it can't be set at runtime. I'll see what i can do about the first suggestion. thanks. |
| 14:43.54 | netsurf3 | wow |
| 14:43.54 | bart416 | netsurf3, it responds in 36ms |
| 14:43.55 | bart416 | :| |
| 14:43.58 | netsurf3 | it works |
| 14:44.00 | netsurf3 | in opera |
| 14:44.05 | netsurf3 | but not firefox :S |
| 14:44.16 | streuner | are you using binaries? |
| 14:44.26 | netsurf3 | of firefox? |
| 14:44.28 | netsurf3 | yes |
| 14:44.34 | streuner | well, get some other |
| 14:44.44 | netsurf3 | i used the official ones |
| 14:44.46 | netsurf3 | mind you |
| 14:44.49 | streuner | in doubt ask in irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 14:44.52 | netsurf3 | i may need to update firefox |
| 14:44.55 | msn | i installed xmms all my menus are blank |
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| 14:45.03 | netsurf3 | thats odd |
| 14:45.08 | streuner | msn: testing? |
| 14:45.19 | msn | sid |
| 14:45.28 | streuner | msn: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:45.31 | msn | it was working in sid earlier |
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| 14:48.23 | msn | streuner: i know either I have been lucky or I am okey with broken stuff but this problem occured to me on testing too |
| 14:48.30 | msn | quiet some time back |
| 14:48.34 | mcgreg | I've looked into my xorg-DRI problem... strace told me that, when glxinfo has been started ... "open("/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" it this the problem ? |
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| 14:48.45 | msn | and then it got fixed by itself |
| 14:48.54 | msn | anyway thanks for the help |
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| 14:50.19 | streuner | evil, not knowing about standard issues in sid and asking basic questions |
| 14:51.10 | msn | well the xmms prob is not listed on the issues page. |
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| 14:51.26 | streuner | so file a bugreport |
| 14:51.29 | netsurf3 | anyone know the package name for the source/headers/other bit you need to compile modules for the 2.6.16-2-486 |
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| 14:52.48 | streuner | linux-headers-2.6.16? just use apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.16 |
| 14:53.01 | streuner | or pdo |
| 14:53.05 | streuner | !pdo |
| 14:53.05 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 14:53.07 | netsurf3 | pdo? |
| 14:53.13 | netsurf3 | ah |
| 14:53.21 | Kronoz | when i try to install etch beta 3 the package installation (after downloading) goes really really slow after 31% |
| 14:53.35 | Kronoz | takes like 5 minutes to configure mutt |
| 14:53.55 | streuner | could be a bug |
| 14:54.04 | aryal | there's a bum server in the http.us.debian.org pool. the IP address is 204.152.191.7. i've consistently gotten 404s for a lot of packages that needed upgrading. currently using debian.uchicago.edu and seems to work just fine.. |
| 14:54.31 | streuner | aryal: create an entry in /etc/hosts |
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| 14:54.51 | Kronoz | it isn't just beta btw, it's all the etch weekly builds for some time now as well, and if i wait until it gets to xorg it fails to install xorg and bombs out |
| 14:55.00 | Kronoz | server: ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 14:55.05 | aryal | streuner: doesn't that defeat the whole point of having a DNS server pool? |
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| 14:55.33 | streuner | sure, but if you think you have with one server no problem... |
| 14:56.05 | netsurf3 | do you need the kernel source to compile kernel modules? |
| 14:56.09 | netsurf3 | i forget |
| 14:56.14 | streuner | no |
| 14:56.19 | streuner | only headers |
| 14:56.25 | netsurf3 | oo cool |
| 14:56.40 | streuner | !b-e netsurf3 |
| 14:56.40 | dpkg | netsurf3: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 14:56.55 | streuner | install that package too, in case you haven't it |
| 14:57.11 | aryal | i can use other mirrors if i have to. i was raising the issue here in the hope that the powers that be are lurking. |
| 14:57.21 | netsurf3 | streuner: i know your trying to help but i have no net access to that machine at this moment this is why i am building the module |
| 14:57.53 | streuner | netsurf3: ok, just burn all packages |
| 14:58.02 | netsurf3 | ? |
| 14:58.04 | streuner | netsurf3: apt-cdrom add |
| 14:58.18 | netsurf3 | i dont have a debian cd |
| 14:58.46 | streuner | what do you have then? :-) |
| 14:59.08 | netsurf3 | a usb cd |
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| 14:59.22 | netsurf3 | *key |
| 14:59.30 | bbelt16ag | why do i keep getting this when i try to edit crontab |
| 14:59.31 | bbelt16ag | : command not foundco |
| 14:59.31 | bbelt16ag | " exited with status 127 |
| 14:59.42 | netsurf3 | brb |
| 14:59.51 | netsurf3 | firefox is being a pain in da ass |
| 14:59.59 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg status 127 |
| 15:00.10 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg crontab |
| 15:00.10 | dpkg | format: min, hour, day of month, month, day of week, command. or see cron, or see crontab demystified |
| 15:00.19 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg cron |
| 15:00.20 | dpkg | cron is a daemon that allows shell snippets or programs to be run at pre defined intervals as specific users. man 5 crontab; to read how to specify a cronjob to run; crontab -l; to see your crontab; crontab -e; to edit it. /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are the system wide crontabs, and the other /etc/cron.*; are directories which have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab |
| 15:00.39 | bbelt16ag | where is the cron log at? |
| 15:00.46 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg log |
| 15:00.46 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 15:01.07 | bbelt16ag | real helpful dpkg.... |
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| 15:01.30 | azeem | dpkg: forget log |
| 15:01.30 | dpkg | i forgot log, azeem |
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| 15:03.22 | Mooi | thegve: sorry was away |
| 15:03.51 | thegve | ok |
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| 15:04.32 | thegve | I sure hope I can figure this on out. It's quite essential in an internet cafe.. |
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| 15:04.44 | bbelt16ag | i keept getting an exit status with crontab of 127 |
| 15:04.48 | bbelt16ag | anybody know what that means? |
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| 15:05.03 | kagato | Hey |
| 15:05.13 | kagato | How do you get KDE 3.4 or 3.5 installed on a clean system? |
| 15:05.42 | thegve | kdebase - base components from the official KDE release |
| 15:05.42 | thegve | kdebase-bin - core binaries for the KDE base module |
| 15:05.49 | thegve | kagato: install one of these? |
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| 15:06.13 | thegve | only figuring out which version this is... |
| 15:07.23 | kagato | I wanted to try through apt. |
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| 15:07.36 | kagato | I've never had much success with this Distro, or ones like it |
| 15:07.41 | thegve | kagato: maybe just download the deb... - ok, using apt I don't know |
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| 15:07.48 | kagato | I come from using soley Gentoo |
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| 15:07.58 | kagato | dpkg -i newkdebase.deb? |
| 15:08.04 | thegve | jep |
| 15:08.26 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
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| 15:08.37 | bbelt16ag | seems crontab can not be executed.. |
| 15:08.40 | bbelt16ag | wierd.. |
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| 15:10.11 | bbelt16ag | i figured it out my dang .bashrc is fcked up |
| 15:10.21 | bbelt16ag | why do my aliases not work? |
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| 15:11.52 | kagato | gentoo is prettier. |
| 15:11.56 | kagato | So is LFS <3 |
| 15:12.06 | Ronin | kagato: then run them |
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| 15:12.43 | kagato | Takes too long to compile...and My friend talked me into trying Debian. this time. |
| 15:12.44 | Jenkens | wow |
| 15:12.56 | kagato | Last time I came here for support everyone was asses....that was 2 years ago |
| 15:13.17 | Ronin | uh huh |
| 15:13.34 | kagato | Okay mp3 is disabled correct? |
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| 15:13.51 | gui_ | hi |
| 15:14.09 | azeem | kagato: mp3 encoding is not available |
| 15:14.12 | azeem | mp3 decoding is |
| 15:14.22 | kagato | Okay. |
| 15:14.37 | kagato | And is Kopete broken in 3.2? |
| 15:14.57 | bbelt16ag | heh |
| 15:15.00 | bbelt16ag | * snickers* |
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| 15:15.18 | streuner | kagato: 3.2? |
| 15:15.22 | kagato | KDE |
| 15:15.31 | streuner | kagato: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:15.44 | streuner | kagato: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 15:16.32 | kagato | kagato@heaven:/media$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:16.32 | kagato | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 15:16.38 | kagato | 3.1 sarge i believe |
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| 15:17.32 | streuner | hm, you should upgrade the packages then :-) |
| 15:17.41 | streuner | !info kopete sarge |
| 15:17.44 | dpkg | kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 3699 kB, Installed size: 13196 kB |
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| 15:18.10 | kagato | I installed via the net image |
| 15:19.07 | streuner | do you security.debian.org in your sources.list? |
| 15:19.11 | streuner | have* |
| 15:19.14 | kagato | Yah |
| 15:19.26 | streuner | so you should able to get 3.3 then |
| 15:20.09 | streuner | did you run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'? |
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| 15:20.27 | kagato | Yeah |
| 15:20.38 | kagato | I installed last night via the net install image |
| 15:21.04 | kagato | All that i copied offa the cd i'm assuming is the base system |
| 15:21.08 | kagato | The rest i downloaded |
| 15:21.18 | streuner | and what doesn't work in kopete? |
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| 15:21.35 | kagato | When I go to add one of my messenger accounts it crashes. |
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| 15:22.37 | delire | anyone here know a method for a reverse DNS check (eg from an IP) using dig or similar? |
| 15:22.44 | Morydd | getting closer... how do I turn encryption key on for my wireless card. |
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| 15:22.51 | waspius | i changed my keyboard layout and managed to enable 4 out of 8 special keys..but the sound control buttond work on mplayer but not on xxms..any help ? |
| 15:23.15 | delire | theoretically 'dig ptr backwards-ip.addr.arpa' should do the trick, but it doesn't. it times out. |
| 15:24.30 | delire | Morydd: 'iwconfig <yourcard> key s:<a string>' or 'iwconfig <yourcard> key <non-ascii-string-key>' |
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| 15:26.49 | Morydd | delire: "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :" |
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| 15:34.40 | delire | Morydd: are you sure you're giving the right device id? |
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| 15:34.52 | delire | Morydd: sorry, device? |
| 15:35.03 | Ryushin | Is there a tool to md5sum verify recursively two directories? |
| 15:35.10 | Morydd | using eth0 |
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| 15:35.24 | dpy | too bad UDF support in linux is so horribly lacking |
| 15:35.36 | nvz | Ryushin: md5sum? |
| 15:35.40 | delire | Morydd: eth0 is usually an ethernet card, but anyway. 'iwconfig eth0 key s:foo' for key "foo" |
| 15:35.59 | nvz | Ryushin: you want what exactly? a checksum of each file recursivly? |
| 15:36.08 | Ryushin | md5sum will do single files. But can it do whole directories? |
| 15:36.13 | dpy | actually it's pretty bad and the interface is as spartan as a 1970s moron would design it |
| 15:36.20 | nvz | Ryushin: it does whatever you tell it to |
| 15:36.36 | Ryushin | I have a DVD I just burned, and I want to verify it's bit to bit correct from the burned files. |
| 15:36.45 | Morydd | delire: this is my first attempt at setting up wireless under linux. eth0 is how the initial install set up the wireless card. Should I be wlan0 instead? |
| 15:36.54 | nvz | Ryushin: see option -c in the manpage for example |
| 15:37.03 | dpy | Ryushin: can't you diff /dev/dvd file.iso |
| 15:37.15 | delire | Morydd: does iwconfig reveal your wireless card is in face eth0? |
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| 15:37.25 | delire | Morydd: just type 'iwconfig' |
| 15:37.26 | Morydd | delire: yes. |
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| 15:37.38 | nvz | most burning frontends will checksum for you |
| 15:37.49 | delire | Morydd: cool, then the above command should work. if not, i don't know. perhaps your drivers don't support WEP. |
| 15:37.54 | dpy | nvz: do you know anything about UDF ? |
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| 15:38.02 | Ryushin | nvz: that's not for two different sets of files though. |
| 15:38.27 | nvz | dpy: very little |
| 15:38.46 | dpy | Ryushin: can't you diff the iso with the burnt dvd ? |
| 15:38.52 | dpy | nvz: nm |
| 15:39.00 | nvz | Ryushin: be creative. if you wanted you could script an ISO to make a checksum file |
| 15:39.00 | Ryushin | dpy: I don't have a iso for it. |
| 15:39.10 | nvz | er |
| 15:39.17 | nvz | s/ISO/one-liner/ |
| 15:39.26 | delire | Morydd: if you want good wireless support on a Debian based system and don't want to fight for it (compiling kernels/modules), you're better to go with Ubuntu or Xandros. Debian has little support or interest in wireless desktop machines out-of-the-box. |
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| 15:39.34 | Ryushin | I'll write a script to do this I guess. |
| 15:39.58 | dpy | Ryushin: be creative: |
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| 15:40.38 | dpy | Ryushin: use mkisofs to write you "burnt dvd" to a named pipe and diff the real burnt dvd with the named pipe |
| 15:40.38 | Morydd | delire: I couldn't get ubuntu installed on this machine unfortunately. So I went back to what I know best. |
| 15:40.43 | dpy | make sure you use the same params |
| 15:41.04 | delire | Morydd: oh, best of luck then. |
| 15:41.25 | Morydd | Thanks for the help anyway. |
| 15:41.43 | delire | Morydd: my Debian wireless machines are Intel Centrino's, so it's easy. |
| 15:41.54 | delire | eg ipw2200's |
| 15:42.24 | Morydd | Mine's a 7 year old dell with a card I picked up at radio shack. :) |
| 15:42.37 | delire | Morydd: what chipset? |
| 15:42.37 | Morydd | orinoco_cs |
| 15:43.00 | delire | Morydd: well that should be fine. i thought the orinoco drivers support WEP |
| 15:43.09 | delire | Morydd: what kernel version? |
| 15:43.22 | Morydd | 2.4.27 |
| 15:44.42 | delire | Morydd: eek.. that's ancient. |
| 15:44.55 | stew | and current |
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| 15:45.08 | Morydd | It's what's on the debian install CD. |
| 15:45.15 | delire | Morydd: fine for a server or workstation (though barely), but not for a WIFI laptop |
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| 15:46.01 | delire | Morydd: yes, well Debian isn't interested in "the desktop experience" so i'd take the matter into your own hands and join the other millions of desktop linux users out there, with a 2.6* series kernel. |
| 15:46.09 | js_ | what does "no route to host" generally mean? |
| 15:46.14 | azeem | delire: eh, that's wrong |
| 15:46.22 | delire | azeem: how? |
| 15:46.32 | Morydd | delire: true, but I need to get the machine net connected first :) |
| 15:46.38 | Fox | js_: it means no route to host :/ |
| 15:46.39 | delire | Morydd: hehe, yes i suppose. |
| 15:46.48 | azeem | saying "Debian isn't interested in the desktop experience" is wrong |
| 15:46.58 | azeem | because, huge parts of Debian clearly are |
| 15:47.00 | delire | azeem: well in the 9 years i've been using it, i have yet to see evidence. |
| 15:47.11 | delire | azeem: not as a whole. and thank god for that. |
| 15:47.13 | Morydd | works fine on my desktop machine. |
| 15:47.20 | delire | Morydd: yes, also here. |
| 15:47.21 | js_ | Fox: yeah, but waht does it *mean*? |
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| 15:48.03 | DocOC | delire: I have found that on alot of hardware, debian offers more of an out-of-the-box desktop experience than any other distro. |
| 15:48.20 | Fox | js_: it means your computer/server/whatever doesn't have a route to reach the computer/server/whatever you're trying to reach |
| 15:48.45 | Fox | js_: look at what 'netstat -rn' outputs |
| 15:48.48 | ofer0 | I need a recommendation about a good, lite, window manager or maybe desktop environment that will be easy to use for new linux users. I've tried FVWM and it didn't worked out. They need a panel so they can see all the running applications in it |
| 15:49.08 | delire | well frankly a 2.4 series kernel is of little use as a desktop laptop system. i enjoy things like Suspend, WIFI drivers, working TVCards, scanners etc. |
| 15:49.21 | ofer0 | DocOC, a lot. |
| 15:49.29 | DocOC | ofer0: how lite. |
| 15:49.30 | azeem | delire: what does that have to do with Debianß |
| 15:49.31 | azeem | ? |
| 15:49.37 | delire | DocOC: as a workstation, it's reasonable with a 2.4 series kernel, but far from optimal. |
| 15:49.40 | ofer0 | DocOC, what do you have to offer ?:) |
| 15:49.48 | delire | azeem: eh? |
| 15:49.56 | delire | "Debianss"? |
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| 15:50.06 | azeem | obviously I meant Debian |
| 15:50.58 | DocOC | ofer0: well, something like icewm would probably be what you are looking for, but if you are looking for ultra-lite, it may be a tiny bit heavy (it is somewhere between a window-manager and a desktop-environment) |
| 15:51.09 | delire | azeem: i'm talking about using 2.4.27 as a 'current' kernel version on a desktop focussed portable computer. that has alot to do with Debian, as Debian currently ships with it. |
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| 15:51.30 | azeem | delire: it also ships 2.6 |
| 15:51.43 | azeem | saying Debian doesn't care about the desktop because it ships 2.4 is... special |
| 15:51.46 | beardy | delire: Sarge also comes with a 2.6 kernel, it's your choice which to run. |
| 15:51.47 | ofer0 | DocOC, thank you very much I will try it right away |
| 15:52.07 | DocOC | delire: there was a period of time when I was installing linux on multiple laptops, and debian offered me the ability to get more of them running without headache than any other distro (this was 2.4 kernels) |
| 15:52.07 | delire | azeem: correct, which is why Morydd shouldn't bother with a 2.4.27 kernel. |
| 15:52.22 | delire | DocOC: yes, me too. about 2 years ago. |
| 15:52.43 | DocOC | delire: sarge ships with both 2.4 and 2.6, your choice. |
| 15:53.09 | delire | DocOC: tell that to Morydd. |
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| 15:54.36 | DocOC | Morydd: type 'linux26' at the boot prompt when installing sarge, and you have a 2.6 kernel. |
| 15:55.09 | azeem | eh, or just install it now |
| 15:55.17 | DocOC | or that. |
| 15:56.02 | delire | azeem: Debian does have very little interest in the desktop experience as a whole. something i appreciate more often than not, as Debian is flexible enough to be useful for desktops, servers, embedded devices without bias. device support is only a small part of the picture. |
| 15:56.58 | azeem | delire: wrong |
| 15:57.12 | delire | azeem: ok, sure. |
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| 16:01.18 | EEap | Hi, how do I test my memory...I think my 512mb RAM module is crashing the instalation of some packages |
| 16:01.26 | petemc | memtest |
| 16:01.45 | EEap | yes, I've installed it...but I donno very well how it works... |
| 16:01.55 | petemc | it should have documentation |
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| 16:02.01 | SlayerXP | eeap: you read the instructions |
| 16:02.07 | EEap | I have lilo, and I read something about I must have grub |
| 16:02.12 | EEap | is it right? |
| 16:02.20 | DocOC | petemc: you mean #debian is not the official documentation? |
| 16:02.29 | SlayerXP | EEap: start again, this time reading _all_ the instructions. |
| 16:02.32 | petemc | DocOC: if it is, i didnt get the memo.. |
| 16:02.41 | netsurf3 | how does one install a module in debian? |
| 16:02.49 | EEap | ok, Ill try |
| 16:02.53 | EEap | thanks :) |
| 16:02.59 | netsurf3 | the script that works with make install killed all my modules |
| 16:02.59 | DocOC | netsurf3: what module? |
| 16:03.05 | netsurf3 | i have just replaced them |
| 16:03.16 | netsurf3 | DocOC: i am using the rt2570 module |
| 16:03.18 | netsurf3 | from sorce |
| 16:03.21 | netsurf3 | *source |
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| 16:03.47 | DocOC | netsurf3: I believe there is a source-package for that driver which can be installed using module-assistant. |
| 16:04.02 | netsurf3 | DocOC: only on unstable as far as i know |
| 16:04.12 | DocOC | netsurf3: so, pin it. |
| 16:05.08 | DocOC | netsurf3: man apt |
| 16:05.09 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 16:05.09 | DocOC | netsurf3: man apt_preferences |
| 16:05.21 | netsurf3 | DocOC: i have no network connection because of what the install script did |
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| 16:05.59 | DocOC | netsurf3: are you using a debian-compiled linux-image? |
| 16:06.33 | netsurf3 | yes |
| 16:06.46 | netsurf3 | but using wlan for internet |
| 16:06.53 | netsurf3 | using belkin usb adaptor |
| 16:07.00 | DocOC | so, apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-(your version) |
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| 16:07.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:07.12 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:07.30 | DocOC | that should put your modules back to default state. |
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| 16:08.11 | DocOC | netsurf3: or, if you are on sarge with a 2.4 kernel, apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-(your version) |
| 16:08.54 | netsurf3 | DocOC: i dont have web access on that computer |
| 16:09.10 | DocOC | netsurf3: you don't need it, the package should be in your local archive. |
| 16:09.23 | netsurf3 | >< son of a |
| 16:09.33 | netsurf3 | i spent hours and i could have just done that? |
| 16:09.35 | netsurf3 | >:( |
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| 16:10.25 | neenaoffline | Debian does not ping my gateway , it says network unreachable :( |
| 16:10.54 | DocOC | netsurf3: this is a good place to find out all sorts of obscure package-management tricks. |
| 16:10.54 | pickcoder | is anyone extremely familiar with menuconfig for 2.6.XX kernels? |
| 16:11.09 | beardy | neenaoffline: You're offline ;) |
| 16:11.13 | netsurf3 | DocOC: i will reinstall that kernel but i think i may keep the new 2.6.16 over 2.6.15 |
| 16:11.14 | pickcoder | #kernel appears to be zombied |
| 16:11.25 | netsurf3 | there are less errors |
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| 16:11.42 | beardy | neenaoffline: Is the network configured and usually up? |
| 16:12.00 | DocOC | netsurf3: is your .16 kernel a debian compiled kernel, or did you compile it? |
| 16:12.08 | netsurf3 | debian |
| 16:12.10 | netsurf3 | from etch |
| 16:12.13 | DocOC | cool. |
| 16:12.31 | netsurf3 | i dont do custom kernel compiling |
| 16:12.33 | netsurf3 | hehe |
| 16:12.38 | netsurf3 | have yet to try it |
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| 16:12.45 | pickcoder | I'm having issues with the raw device option in 2.6.17-9 |
| 16:12.50 | netsurf3 | and dont intend to until i need to |
| 16:12.52 | neenaoffline | beardy: It is configured , not usually up , but was up the last time I used debian , I'm on the "etch testing" net install |
| 16:12.58 | pickcoder | firstly.. I can't find the option to enable/disable it in the menuconfig |
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| 16:13.11 | pickcoder | secondly, /dev/rawctl is missing so my existing raw setup doesn't work |
| 16:13.22 | neenaoffline | I can ping using ubuntu :( , I'm on ubuntu now .......... |
| 16:13.47 | beardy | neenaoffline: How is the network/nic configured? Via dhcp? |
| 16:14.04 | beardy | neenaoffline: Is it usually brought up on boot? |
| 16:14.20 | neenaoffline | beardy: not sure , not DHCP though ....... |
| 16:14.26 | DocOC | netsurf3: and when you get your modules worked out, you can apt-pin the unstable package for your rt25xx driver by creating an /etc/apt/preferences file and altering your sources.list according to man apt_preferences, and use module assistant to create your module from the source package. |
| 16:14.45 | neenaoffline | beardy: someone checked my /etc/network/interfaces file and said it was pppoe |
| 16:14.47 | netsurf3 | DocOC: i just got it compiled and running |
| 16:14.58 | beardy | neenaoffline: Check /etc/network/interfaces and make sure the interface is configured properly, perhaps it has the wrong address? |
| 16:15.10 | netsurf3 | just need to work out where to copy the driver and make sure it loades when it is needed |
| 16:15.22 | DocOC | netsurf3: or you could just copy over the module you compiled by hand and run depmod -a and load the driver. |
| 16:15.28 | neenaoffline | be right back |
| 16:16.02 | beardy | neenaoffline: Ok. |
| 16:16.03 | netsurf3 | DocOC: where do i copy it to though? |
| 16:16.04 | pickcoder | *sigh* It's gonna be another one of those weeks |
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| 16:16.33 | DocOC | netsurf3: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net |
| 16:16.54 | neenaoffline | beardy: 1 sec |
| 16:16.57 | beardy | neenaoffline: Can you paste your interfaces file in a pastebin? |
| 16:17.02 | beardy | !pastebin |
| 16:17.03 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 16:17.52 | neenaoffline | beardy: I know pastebin :) . But can you join #flood instead , I'm on a slow computer , so I wanna run less apps :) |
| 16:18.11 | neenaoffline | beardy: I'm managing with 64 MB RAM :-) |
| 16:19.01 | beardy | neenaoffline: Well, if you run X that might be a bit tight, but with no X that's plenty. |
| 16:19.19 | beardy | neenaoffline: Anyway, I joined #flood |
| 16:19.28 | neenaoffline | beardy: yeah , but I want X :) , I'm on Xubuntu :) |
| 16:19.37 | DocOC | neenaoffline: those paste sites should work fine in links/lynx/w3m |
| 16:19.38 | pickcoder | hrm.. compiling the kernel on 2.6.17-9 takes longer than it does on 2.4.20-18 |
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| 16:19.54 | netsurf3 | DocOC: do i need to do anything to make the driver be used when a sutible device is connected? |
| 16:20.01 | pickcoder | _considerably_ longer |
| 16:20.35 | neenaoffline | DocOC: yeah but I find using them tough for pasting , I just use them for static info , I don't like the way they treat forms :) |
| 16:20.49 | beardy | neenaoffline: This is #debian, Xubuntu(?) is not Debian, and not supported here, please join #ubuntu, or the proper channel for your distribution. |
| 16:20.53 | DocOC | netsurf3: that's kinda the job of udev. really nothing you can do to influence it. However, if you want it loaded at boot, you could append the name of the module to /etc/modules. |
| 16:21.51 | neenaoffline | beardy: I was just saying that I'm on xubuntu now , I'm making a shift to debian , I've got etch netinst.iso installed :) |
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| 16:21.56 | DocOC | neenaoffline: I user w3m for everything that doesn't involve needing to see pics in context, and I have gobs of ram. |
| 16:22.11 | neenaoffline | DocOC: okay , fine , bah |
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| 16:22.32 | DocOC | humbug |
| 16:22.35 | netsurf3 | DocOC: okay one last oen |
| 16:22.38 | netsurf3 | one |
| 16:22.45 | smarcow | im installing debian and when i run /usr/sbin/base-config new i just get "Terminated". Why is that? |
| 16:22.56 | netsurf3 | DocOC: how do i get xscreensaver to load when windowmaker runs |
| 16:23.18 | beardy | smarcow: Are you running it manually? Why? |
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| 16:23.44 | beardy | smarcow: Which version of Debian are you installing? |
| 16:23.44 | smarcow | beardy, yes, im installing from another distro |
| 16:23.44 | DocOC | netsurf3: depends on how you are starting X, and possibly on what window manager you are using. Are you using xdm, gdm, kdm or the like? |
| 16:23.46 | smarcow | beardy, i choose woody cause its the only i remember |
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| 16:24.16 | beardy | smarcow: Woody is oldstable, and not supported with security upgrades anymore, please install sarge instead. |
| 16:24.24 | smarcow | wow oldstable already? |
| 16:24.29 | smarcow | it was brandnew last time i used it |
| 16:24.29 | netsurf3 | DocOC: i use gdm |
| 16:24.33 | elec29a | is debian still the best linux distro ? |
| 16:24.49 | beardy | Well, hehe, then it was almost 6 years since you did. |
| 16:24.51 | draxas | elec29a: obviously |
| 16:24.52 | smarcow | beardy, ok thank you |
| 16:24.55 | blondie | elec29a: of course it is. |
| 16:25.00 | NameTab | elec29a: there is no "the best", there are many good ones, but it depends on what you want |
| 16:25.10 | neenaoffline | NameTab+1; |
| 16:25.11 | blondie | NameTab: sorry, but debian IS the best. |
| 16:25.24 | DocOC | netsurf3: do you need to be able to choose a different window-manager from your gdm screen, or will you always use windowmaker? |
| 16:25.28 | NameTab | blondie: that's a matter of opinion |
| 16:25.34 | blondie | NameTab: go and stand in the corner :P |
| 16:25.45 | syntaxx | NameTab, well you're in #debian though :D |
| 16:25.50 | NameTab | blondie: I have a round room, I don't have any corners |
| 16:25.55 | NameTab | syntaxx: I do defenitely like debian :) |
| 16:25.56 | odla | !start a distro war |
| 16:25.56 | dpkg | Xandros owns! |
| 16:25.56 | netsurf3 | DocOC: i may change occasionaly but i am liking windowmaker alot |
| 16:25.57 | blondie | NameTab: I don't believe you. |
| 16:25.59 | neenaoffline | :-D |
| 16:26.06 | blondie | NameTab: this is #debian, so debian is the best. |
| 16:26.07 | NameTab | blondie: well, so I wasn't telling the truth :P |
| 16:26.28 | beardy | neenaoffline: I'm not familiar with pppoe, but your interfaces file doesn't look like it's configured for it.. |
| 16:26.28 | NameTab | blondie: so if I join #NameTab, I'm the best? :D |
| 16:26.37 | beardy | neenaoffline: /msg dpkg pppoe |
| 16:26.37 | blondie | if you like |
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| 16:26.41 | netsurf3 | haha |
| 16:26.51 | DocOC | netsurf3: ok, well, in your home dir, create a .xsession file, and put this in it: /usr/bin/xscreensaver & /usr/bin/wmaker |
| 16:27.04 | DocOC | netsurf3: then make that file executable. |
| 16:27.09 | netsurf3 | right |
| 16:27.30 | DocOC | netsurf3: oops, prepend the word 'exec' before /usr/bin/wmaker |
| 16:28.17 | beardy | neenaoffline: You should probably install what dpkg says about pppoe. And yes, you can check how your eth0 interface is configured in ubuntu, and copy the configuration for it to try in Debian, not the whole file though, in case they have it in some other way. |
| 16:28.20 | NameTab | blondie: I'm on #gentoo too, so would that mean both Debian and Gentoo are the best? |
| 16:28.41 | cydork | !gentoosmite NameTab |
| 16:28.41 | DocOC | !start a distro war |
| 16:28.41 | dpkg | DSL rocks! |
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| 16:28.56 | NameTab | rofl |
| 16:28.57 | neenaoffline | !stop a distro war |
| 16:28.58 | beardy | NameTab: In their respective channels, most people would say that yes. |
| 16:29.19 | blondie | NameTab: no, if you ask in here, the answer is that debian is the best. gentoo SUCKS |
| 16:29.22 | netsurf3 | SUSE rocks! |
| 16:29.25 | netsurf3 | lol |
| 16:29.32 | NameTab | suse is commercial, bluh |
| 16:29.38 | draxas | and sucks |
| 16:29.40 | beardy | That's enough, please. |
| 16:29.44 | DocOC | !susesmite netsurf3 |
| 16:29.50 | netsurf3 | noo |
| 16:30.00 | netsurf3 | but i like the lizard |
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| 16:30.12 | cydork | DocOC, there is no such factoid till now ;) |
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| 16:30.20 | elec29a | is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ ? 3.1 sarge ? or should i use other dvd download ? |
| 16:30.32 | beardy | !d-i elec29a |
| 16:30.32 | tuvwx | what is a good english touch typing training software? |
| 16:30.32 | dpkg | elec29a, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:30.44 | draxas | tuv: ktouch |
| 16:30.45 | _Sam-- | hey is there any howto for debian cryptsetup (luks) ? |
| 16:30.48 | beardy | tuvwx: apt-cache search typing |
| 16:30.51 | draxas | tuvwx: ktouch |
| 16:30.51 | DocOC | cydork: it should say something about playing tetris while it foobar's your packages. Linux no longer runs, but hey, you can play tetris. |
| 16:31.03 | tuvwx | beardy, that will not tell me which is best |
| 16:31.07 | cydork | DocOC, hehehh |
| 16:31.14 | tuvwx | beardy, i'm looking for some experience |
| 16:31.29 | elec29a | ok thx dpkg |
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| 16:31.53 | beardy | !best |
| 16:31.54 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:32.09 | beardy | tuvwx: Buy it in a can. |
| 16:32.21 | netsurf3 | !best cheese |
| 16:32.26 | cydork | tuvwx, try gtypist |
| 16:33.04 | DocOC | !cheese netsurf3 |
| 16:33.26 | netsurf3 | !beer DocOC |
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| 16:33.51 | aalex | Hi all |
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| 16:33.52 | tuvwx | cydork, thanks |
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| 16:33.58 | tuvwx | draxas, thanks |
| 16:34.12 | aalex | How can I know if a file belongs to a packages, and, if so, to which package it belongs |
| 16:34.15 | aalex | ? |
| 16:34.21 | beardy | !apt-file |
| 16:34.21 | dpkg | from memory, apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename, or currently broken in testing and unstable, refer to bug #377140 |
| 16:34.28 | beardy | aalex: ^^^ |
| 16:34.49 | aalex | cool |
| 16:34.53 | tuvwx | aalex, dpkg -S <file-name> if it is installed, and apt-file whether it's installed or not |
| 16:35.47 | aalex | apt-file search j2sdk1.5-sun |
| 16:36.00 | aalex | I forgot if I installed this with java-package or not |
| 16:36.12 | aalex | I am gonne rm -R it.... |
| 16:36.27 | S2AnGeL | silly question.. Nebee here.. I want root to run a mounting command at boot where is the best place to put this shell script ? |
| 16:37.14 | aalex | /etc/fstab ? |
| 16:37.16 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 16:37.16 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
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| 16:37.46 | beardy | S2AnGeL: But yes, what aalex said, no need to run that as a script. 'man 5 fstab' |
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| 16:39.56 | CoNdA | Okey.. I can acess CUPS through the web interface, but KDE's printer app plus the control center say it is impossible to retrieve printer list. "connection to cups server failed.. check if installed and running" Any thoughts where to troubleseek? |
| 16:40.12 | CoNdA | Debian testing btw |
| 16:40.20 | aalex | Do we still need the java-package tool in order to install java ? |
| 16:40.30 | aalex | unstbale btw :) |
| 16:40.39 | beardy | aalex: AFAIK yes. |
| 16:41.02 | DocOC | there should be a package called i-have-no-brain that creates a shell script which calls which on sed -e 's/\/path\/to/\ which/' and symlinks itself to the name of everything in /usr/bin. Then when people come in here and say "/path/to/file: file not found", you can just say "apt-get install i-have-no-brain" |
| 16:41.54 | cahoot | iminent burn-out? |
| 16:42.07 | CoNdA | would be better with just "brain"... |
| 16:42.22 | aalex | So, what is that /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun directory ?? I think I messed up my Debian install. Usually, such a set of binary files should be installed in /usr/local |
| 16:42.40 | DocOC | CoNdA: yeah, apt-get install brain has a nice ring to it ;) |
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| 16:43.07 | pickcoder | dpkg --purge memory |
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| 16:44.45 | Callahad | I dislike the way en_US.UTF-8 collates files. Is there any harm in mixing it with LC_COLLATE="C" ? |
| 16:45.04 | Callahad | (ie for ls -A output) |
| 16:45.33 | pickcoder | gah.. why would initrd require a module that is flagged to be compiled into the kernel? |
| 16:45.40 | pickcoder | mkinitird even |
| 16:45.47 | pickcoder | this is driving me nuts |
| 16:45.51 | DocOC | Callahad: how does it collate files? does it mix cases or something? |
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| 16:46.14 | Callahad | DocOC: mixes cases and ignores leading dots |
| 16:46.21 | Callahad | Mixing the dotfiles is what really gets me :) |
| 16:46.35 | DocOC | Callahad: ick! glad I haven't jumped on the utf8 bandwagon yet. |
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| 16:46.49 | S2AnGeL | I had issues trying to do it at fstab |
| 16:46.56 | Talisker[w] | How can I use du non recursively? |
| 16:47.00 | beardy | Callahad: Probably not, but if ls is the only issue, alias ls to "LC_COLLATE="C" ls" |
| 16:47.02 | Talisker[w] | I'm trying to get a list of disk usage of all the files and dirs in the directory |
| 16:47.22 | Vasistha | Talisker[w]: I almost always use du -sc |
| 16:47.47 | Callahad | beardy: You know, I guess LS is the only place it really shows up. I don't use GUI filemanagers with dotfiles, and I kind of like it mixing cases then.. |
| 16:47.47 | Vasistha | Talisker[w]: ...but that does search recursively for disk usage, it just doesn't display everything. |
| 16:48.15 | Callahad | beardy: and that'll keep it from clobbering other things :) thanks |
| 16:48.41 | jelly-home | aalex: sounds like something from a package made by java-package. what does dpkg -S /that/dir report? |
| 16:48.46 | beardy | Callahad: You're welcome. |
| 16:49.00 | aalex | jelly-home: i think it was from j2sdk1.5 |
| 16:49.00 | Talisker[w] | Vasistha, yeah, that's what I wanted |
| 16:49.11 | aalex | jelly-home: because it is removed now.... |
| 16:49.24 | jelly-home | aalex: just purge the package now it dpkg thinks it's still there. |
| 16:49.33 | enouf | S2AnGeL : what are you trying to mount at boot? |
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| 16:50.42 | jelly-home | Callahad: as you've already found out, that's locale's fault, not strictly related to utf-8. |
| 16:52.19 | _Sam-- | can anyone help with cryptsetup (LUKS) encryption? |
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| 16:52.31 | _Sam-- | i cant seem to figure out how you can encrypt an existing installtion using that |
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| 16:53.41 | Callahad | jelly-home: right. I just wasn't sure what the implications of mucking with LC_COLLATE were. I guess this is what I get for only using characters in the ISO-8859-1 space :) |
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| 16:54.44 | pickcoder | Sam--: http://docs.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/06/07/2036205&tid=72&tid=14&tid=35 |
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| 16:55.16 | jelly-home | Callahad: well, you'd just be putting the collating sequence back to default "C", so what harm can come out of that? |
| 16:55.55 | _Sam-- | the problem with that is that you need an entirely new partition to crypt |
| 16:56.21 | pickcoder | Sam--: I really don't think you'll be able to encrypt over an existing partition |
| 16:56.33 | _Sam-- | you can with userspace stuff like encfs |
| 16:56.34 | Vasistha | _Sam--: When I researched this nearly a year ago, I remember concluding that that was not possible |
| 16:56.36 | Callahad | jelly-home: Nothing immediate came to mind... but it's something I've never played with before. Ah the joys of being back on a real Linux distro :) |
| 16:56.38 | jelly-home | Callahad: I agree it's strange that it affects dotfiles with ls. |
| 16:56.45 | _Sam-- | was just interested in seeing some better performance using LUKS |
| 16:56.51 | pickcoder | Sam--: then try a google for that with cryptsetup |
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| 16:57.29 | _Sam-- | i'll just sit tight with encfs until i get a new drive, then encrypt the entire existing raid array to the new partition, and then make the new raid |
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| 16:57.34 | _Sam-- | pita, but i guess its the way |
| 16:57.40 | Callahad | jelly-home: I almost believe that the dotfile thing must be a feature rather than a bug, as Ubuntu's en_US.UTF-8 does the same, and they're rather focused on i18n. |
| 16:57.56 | pickcoder | Sam: how big is the partition you want to encrypt? |
| 16:58.17 | _Sam-- | im going to do all root (/) |
| 16:58.21 | _Sam-- | which is now about 73 gb |
| 16:58.47 | _Sam-- | ok, 67gb with formatting |
| 16:58.50 | Vasistha | _Sam--: why is your root partition 73 GB? That sounds like a very good candidate for some partitioning. |
| 16:59.22 | _Sam-- | its one partition because its just a simple raid 1 mirror, with limited stuff in /home for ecommerce |
| 16:59.30 | _Sam-- | i could make more, but more isnt better in my case |
| 17:00.28 | pickcoder | sam: if you have enough free space you could use dm-setup to encrypt the system by directory. I'd honestly by another drive and just do the whole thing at once. <G> |
| 17:00.40 | pickcoder | s/by/buy |
| 17:01.04 | _Sam-- | i think dm-setup is like too old and deprecated, anyway. |
| 17:01.29 | _Sam-- | dont exist anymore, at least not in cryptsetup install, or on its own in an apt source |
| 17:01.31 | Vasistha | I'm having trouble getting higher-res text modes on kernel 2.6. "vga=791" works fine with 2.4, but when I boot that with 2.6, I get no text console at all ... the screen is totally blank until X comes up, and I have no virtual terminals |
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| 17:03.52 | jelly-home | Vasistha: what happens if you ask explicitely for a fb driver (append eg. video=vesa to kernel options)? |
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| 17:03.57 | cahoot | Vasistha: devpts not mounted? |
| 17:04.01 | syntaxx | clear |
| 17:04.42 | Vasistha | jelly-home: I'll try that, thanks. Wish it was possible without rebooting :P |
| 17:04.50 | nvz | Vasistha: svgatextmode is a neat hack |
| 17:04.55 | Vasistha | cahoot: devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 17:05.21 | Vasistha | nvz: I was reading about that, actually, but I'm not sure it's necessary ... and if I can get by without it, I'd rather not use the resources |
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| 17:07.10 | rub | i am buying one laptop celeron (m) could i use it to run linux ? is a good choice ? |
| 17:07.38 | Vasistha | rub: your celeron processor will work with linux. The rest of the laptop, who knows? |
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| 17:08.01 | rub | what did you say that ? |
| 17:08.57 | Vasistha | rub: sony laptops, for instance, often include many proprietary devices that may or may not work with linux. |
| 17:09.12 | cydork | !laptops |
| 17:09.13 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 17:09.18 | Vasistha | rub: if you want to buy a laptop that will work well with linux, you should probably do some research first, and figure out the best one to buy |
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| 17:09.24 | i2501 | my sony vaio works fine...only modem not working... |
| 17:09.41 | cydork | rub, check the the site which dpkg suggested ^^ |
| 17:10.12 | rub | ok´ |
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| 17:10.19 | Vasistha | !suspend |
| 17:10.19 | dpkg | it has been said that suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 17:10.26 | Vasistha | wtf is that factoid supposed to say? |
| 17:11.27 | sess | Im trying to check and see whether Hula daemon spam assassin manager started successfully, is there a way to see the startup messages again? Not the kernel (as in dmesg or /var/log/messages) but the stuff that comes after that? |
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| 17:13.57 | b1z | can someone give me an example of how to write text into an existing image, wherever, whatever, which size ever.. but the text with a transparent background using convert from the imagemagick pack? |
| 17:14.25 | enouf | S2AnGeL : Perhaps you need to remove the 'noauto' option (if you want it auto-mounted) from the mount options in /etc/fstab |
| 17:15.14 | cahoot | b1z: http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/ |
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| 17:17.00 | cydork | sess, every daemon has it's pid in /var/run/ and it must have some log file in /var/log/ i have never used it so i cant say more than that. |
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| 17:18.22 | smarcow | Hi, i upgrade to sarge but im still getting "Terminated" when i run base-config :-( |
| 17:18.25 | smarcow | upgraded* |
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| 17:18.49 | smarcow | i used dist-upgrade and upgrade, is there anything else i should have done? |
| 17:19.08 | smarcow | oh wait, base-config has been helt back |
| 17:19.19 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 17:19.19 | smarcow | now it popped up |
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| 17:20.52 | laurens | ping |
| 17:20.59 | finrod | pong. |
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| 17:22.27 | odla | lolo5: you shouldn't irc as root |
| 17:23.01 | Ronin | and if iirc you cant talk here if on as root anyhow, or is that efnet? |
| 17:23.10 | cydork | !root |
| 17:23.10 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 17:25.18 | beardy | S2AnGeL: Please don't /msg people. |
| 17:25.34 | enouf | beardy: you too ...heheh |
| 17:26.04 | beardy | enouf: ? |
| 17:26.13 | beardy | oh, hehe |
| 17:26.22 | enouf | beardy: I said it's better in the room - as everyone can then see, learn, help |
| 17:26.40 | beardy | eh, right.. what do you mean? |
| 17:26.53 | ootput | is there an rss feed for package updates in sarge? |
| 17:26.55 | enouf | beardy: there's nothing that needs hiding from his/her /msg s |
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| 17:28.19 | shuveb|home | i have etch running, but how do i compile the kernel with all the debian patches? |
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| 17:28.57 | ootput | the kernel? |
| 17:28.58 | Ronin | shuveb|home: you likely already have |
| 17:29.09 | shuveb|home | i have installed the kernel package and untared it |
| 17:29.16 | Tallu | uhm.. how would I go about changing the refresh rate and screen size on xorg. I don't get a choice when doing dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:29.46 | shuveb|home | Ronin, yes, but i want to re-compile it with squashfs patch included :) |
| 17:29.58 | shuveb|home | ootput, yes |
| 17:30.23 | beardy | enouf: that's why I told him.. I don't understand what you meant to say to me.. |
| 17:30.25 | ootput | Tallu: http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/linux/modeline/ |
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| 17:30.55 | shuveb|home | i understand there is a package "kernel-package" the provides "make-kpkg" but i have no clue how to use it |
| 17:31.24 | Tallu | ootput: can't connect to it for some reason |
| 17:31.28 | maxy | shuveb|home: you get your kernel from kernel.org, and use kernel-package (kpkg) to build a .deb |
| 17:31.39 | cydork | !kernel-package |
| 17:31.40 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 17:31.57 | beardy | shuveb|home: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 17:32.01 | cydork | shuveb|home, check kp mantra too. a |
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| 17:32.10 | Vasistha | well, I tried video=vesa vga=ask. When the prompt came up, I told it to scan, and it came up with some modes. I believe I tried 80x60 (which is a horrifically ugly squashed font) ... it booted part of the way and then reverted to 80x30 |
| 17:32.13 | smarcow | :( There is nothing left to upgrade or dist-upgrade except lilo, but base-conf still terminates. any advice ? |
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| 17:32.13 | beardy | maxy: Why a vanilla kernel? |
| 17:32.20 | smarcow | base-config* |
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| 17:32.28 | maxy | beardy: why not? |
| 17:32.29 | Tallu | ootput: ahh thats for xf86, not xorg? |
| 17:32.36 | beardy | maxy: Especially since he don't know what he wants? |
| 17:32.39 | ootput | Tallu: no, the modeline still applies |
| 17:32.45 | Vasistha | ...I'm not sure what to try as opposed to video=vesa ... perhaps there are some other options listed somewhere I should try? |
| 17:33.00 | cydork | maxy, coz kernel with debian is patched with lot of useful stuff.. |
| 17:33.06 | Tallu | ootput: hmm k :) thanks |
| 17:33.18 | beardy | Vasistha: What do you want? |
| 17:33.42 | maxy | hm... I'll eventually look it up, never missed anything so far with vanilla... except badRAM-Patch... |
| 17:33.46 | beardy | Vasistha: ..to accomplish? |
| 17:33.48 | shuveb|home | cydork, the patches are located in a separate place |
| 17:33.50 | Vasistha | beardy: what I would really like is vga=791 ... but when I've passed that, I get a blank console |
| 17:34.02 | Vasistha | beardy: it works fine with 2.4, but not 2.6 |
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| 17:34.10 | shuveb|home | make-kpkg will take care of that? |
| 17:34.13 | beardy | Vasistha: Do you have framebuffer? A Tux when you boot? |
| 17:34.31 | Vasistha | beardy: nope. would love to set it up |
| 17:34.47 | _Sam-- | splashy works fine |
| 17:34.49 | beardy | Vasistha: If you don't have the fgramebuffer enabled, you can't use it. |
| 17:34.59 | Vasistha | heh ... surprise |
| 17:35.00 | cydork | shuveb|home, you will have to patch the kernel first and then use make-kpkg to make the deb. |
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| 17:35.27 | jelly-home | Vasistha: do you have a custom kernel? |
| 17:35.29 | beardy | Vasistha: It seemed so yes, since you tried to use it when you don't have it. |
| 17:35.46 | shuveb|home | cydork, when i installed the kernel sources the patches got pulled as well, iirc |
| 17:35.58 | shuveb|home | cydork, so i have to patch manually? |
| 17:36.40 | Vasistha | jelly-home: well, kind of. I had to recompile the debian stock kernel in order to make a change to the synaptics.c touchpad driver. without that, it wouldn't boot at all. I also took out ACPI, and compiled it for PII. Those are the only changes I made to the default debian config |
| 17:36.51 | _Sam-- | i think you can use splashy without patching |
| 17:37.02 | _Sam-- | or doing any kernel work, to use a boot screen |
| 17:37.16 | Vasistha | beardy: exemplifies my ignorance of the subject rather well, eh? Yeah, that's why I'm in here asking about it. |
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| 17:37.35 | _Sam-- | you can try apt-get install splashy |
| 17:37.40 | _Sam-- | "A boot splash program that doesn't require patching the Linux kernel. It paints graphic images directly to framebuffers using libdirectfb." |
| 17:37.48 | beardy | Vasistha: The 2.6 kernel, is it a stock kernel? |
| 17:37.56 | Vasistha | beardy: sarge 2.6.8 |
| 17:38.28 | beardy | Vasistha: vga=ask is what you want vga to be set as anyway, vga=vesa does not exist |
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| 17:38.43 | Tobsn | hi |
| 17:38.45 | cydork | shuveb|home, if you want to install patches which are not already patched in debian then you will have to patch it your self. |
| 17:38.48 | Vasistha | beardy: did I type that? what I had was video=vesa vga=ask |
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| 17:39.00 | shuveb|home | cydork, sure |
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| 17:39.19 | beardy | Vasistha: Oh, perhaps you didn't, but, where do you get video=vesa from? |
| 17:39.23 | illsci | hey whats up |
| 17:39.24 | Tobsn | is there any kind of connect throtteling buildin debian? if i use curl_multi i only get the first 4 sockets and after this only timeouts... |
| 17:39.31 | odla | splashy doesn't work for me :/ |
| 17:39.32 | Vasistha | beardy: from jelly-home ;-) |
| 17:39.41 | illsci | wheres the standard debian spot to put iptables rules? /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:39.48 | _Sam-- | i used splashy for a few custom installs, worked fine for me |
| 17:40.08 | odla | i think the only splash program that works for me is usplash |
| 17:40.16 | beardy | Vasistha: This is perhaps changed.. but, try video=vga16:on |
| 17:40.26 | illsci | Tobsn, you can do connection throttling with iptables |
| 17:40.40 | Vasistha | beardy: alright, I'll give it a shot. back in a bit. |
| 17:40.41 | Tobsn | hmm is there something set as default? |
| 17:40.43 | illsci | there is a few articles on debian-administration.com on it |
| 17:40.45 | tralala | illsci: I have /etc/network/firewall-rules file that is loaded in a pre-up line in interfaces |
| 17:40.51 | maxy | cydork: I think he needs to know how (not) to apply all the debian patches (I'd like that answer too, now :) |
| 17:41.02 | _Sam-- | Tobsn: try the wondershaper |
| 17:41.06 | illsci | tralala will you show me what you have in interfaces to load that file |
| 17:41.10 | _Sam-- | http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ |
| 17:41.11 | Tobsn | sam? |
| 17:41.14 | illsci | and what the format of the rules are? |
| 17:41.14 | _Sam-- | works fine for me |
| 17:41.20 | Vasistha | beardy: btw, do you happen to know if the vga=ask "scan" feature works pretty reliably? |
| 17:41.30 | illsci | i can just man interfaces i guess... |
| 17:41.30 | Tobsn | i mean... i have nothing changed on a default install, so is there a default limit or something? |
| 17:41.31 | illsci | thanks man |
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| 17:42.12 | tralala | illsci: post-up /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/network/firewall-rules |
| 17:42.24 | beardy | Vasistha: It does, but it only scans for vga modes, not framebuffer modes, read /path/to/src/linux/Documentation/vesafb.txt for those. |
| 17:42.39 | tralala | illsci: the firewall-rules is created with iptables-save |
| 17:42.51 | illsci | sweet :) |
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| 17:42.58 | Vasistha | beardy: ...so if I want the 791 mode I'm going to have to type it in manually, and if it doesn't work I'll just have to reboot blindly :P |
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| 17:43.44 | tralala | illsci: I don't know if that's the canonical way, but I like it because it's simple enough. |
| 17:43.54 | jelly-home | Vasistha: dunno, debian has CONFIG_FB_VESA so it should work. I kind of remember that some old 2.6 kernels had problems with my ati rage pro mobility on an old laptop, the screen would turn up blank. |
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| 17:44.25 | beardy | Vasistha: Yes, if it accepts it, IIRC it doesn't, but perhaps it does.. Just take the default, if the framebuffer is on, it will be used, 80x30 framebuffer is the default IIRC. |
| 17:44.33 | maxy | shuveb|home: what "kernel package" did you install and untar in the first place? |
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| 17:44.56 | Vasistha | jelly-home: ha! I have an old laptop with an ati rage card |
| 17:44.57 | cydork | maxy, i didn't get you last question.. |
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| 17:45.03 | jelly-home | Vasistha: good thing is that probably console is just blank and otherwise works fine, so ctrl-alt-del should work. |
| 17:45.20 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 17:45.37 | Tobsn | _Sam--, okay i installed wondershaper and now? ;) |
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| 17:45.44 | beardy | Vasistha: Otherwise you have to reboot yes, wait until it has booted and do it cleanly, either log in blindly and run 'reboot' or Ctrl-Alt-Del, if you haven't configured that combination not to reboot. |
| 17:45.46 | Tallu | ok this is weird |
| 17:45.59 | _Sam-- | edit wshaper |
| 17:46.00 | odla | whenever i've run splashy test i get this output: |
| 17:46.00 | odla | ATAL: splashy_video.c <706>: |
| 17:46.00 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.00 | _Sam-- | then run wshaper |
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| 17:46.21 | odla | _Sam--: me? |
| 17:46.24 | maxy | cydork: if I want an extracted kernel source tree with all the debian patches applied - what would I install? |
| 17:46.29 | odla | no |
| 17:46.29 | _Sam-- | odla : no, Tobs. |
| 17:46.36 | Vasistha | beardy: I wish it was so easy to reboot cleanly when finding that suspend-to-RAM does not resume :P |
| 17:46.54 | jelly-home | Vasistha: you could try a newer 2.6, I think it started to work again at about 2.6.10-12. |
| 17:47.18 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 17:47.25 | Tobsn | whereis the conf? |
| 17:47.29 | Vasistha | jelly-home: oh, really? hmm. that would require not running sarge, but I'll think about it. |
| 17:47.33 | _Sam-- | wherever you untarred it to |
| 17:47.41 | _Sam-- | in the directory that is untarred |
| 17:47.42 | shuveb|home | maxy, i installed the kernel souce |
| 17:47.49 | jelly-home | Vasistha: meh, just change the kernel and keep the userspace. |
| 17:47.57 | shuveb|home | maxy, and then the package named "kernel-package" |
| 17:48.00 | Tobsn | ah okay i installed the debian pack |
| 17:48.03 | _Sam-- | the file is called wshaper. |
| 17:48.08 | _Sam-- | i dont see any package for wshaper |
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| 17:48.15 | cydork | maxy, in etch it's called linux-source |
| 17:48.16 | ootput | Vasistha: there are countless guides on >2.6.8 kernels in Sarge |
| 17:48.21 | syntaxx | anyone tried to install world of warcraft using backported wine in sarge? |
| 17:48.34 | jelly-home | Vasistha: you could also try compiling and using "atyfb" instead of vesafb, but that requires recompiling too. |
| 17:48.58 | Vasistha | jelly-home: I was actually thinking about trying that, thanks for the recommendation |
| 17:49.06 | beardy | Vasistha: Yeah, perhaps your card doesn't work with vesafb. |
| 17:49.24 | Tobsn | hmm theres no wshaper file |
| 17:49.26 | Tobsn | damn. |
| 17:49.30 | beardy | Vasistha: Though many/most cards do. |
| 17:49.32 | _Sam-- | sounds like a personal problem. |
| 17:49.40 | Vasistha | ...I wonder why this would have suddenly popped up as a problem with 2.6 whereas stock 2.4 worked fine? |
| 17:49.43 | _Sam-- | you download a .tar.gz file |
| 17:49.46 | _Sam-- | and untar it |
| 17:49.50 | _Sam-- | there is no debian package. |
| 17:50.00 | Vasistha | oh yes, jelly mentioned it was a bug |
| 17:50.04 | beardy | Vasistha: Someone had to change a default, probably. |
| 17:50.31 | smarcow | sorry, which command allows me to select another apt mirror? |
| 17:50.42 | smarcow | i only get 5kb/s |
| 17:50.49 | tralala | smarcow: apt-setup |
| 17:50.50 | odla | (#) DirectFBError [DirectFBCreate (&video->dfb)]: Initialization error! <- anyone know how i can fix that error? |
| 17:50.52 | Tobsn | _Sam--- hehe there is |
| 17:50.56 | Tobsn | # apt-cache search wondershaper |
| 17:50.56 | Tobsn | wondershaper - Easy to use traffic shaping script |
| 17:51.01 | smarcow | dont have that yet unfortunately |
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| 17:51.12 | beardy | Vasistha: Stock kernels used to have fb on by default, and the thing then was to disable it, now it may be off by default, and I'm not sure if 2.6 turns it on in the same way.. |
| 17:51.17 | odla | i've install libdirectfb |
| 17:51.29 | _Sam-- | hmm oh damn, im sorry, i was 'apt-cache search wshaper'...sorry bout that. |
| 17:51.31 | smarcow | oh wait i do :) thx tralala |
| 17:51.36 | _Sam-- | just updatedb, and then locate wshaper |
| 17:51.51 | anabain_ | does a gigabit ethernet connection require a different cable than a 100Mbps one? |
| 17:52.02 | Tobsn | damn |
| 17:52.07 | Vasistha | beardy: alright, well I'm going to try this video=vga16:on and if that doesn't work, recompile with atyfb ... thanks |
| 17:52.08 | _Sam-- | After installing this package, read highly the detailed instructions: /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian |
| 17:52.11 | Tobsn | okay :) |
| 17:52.15 | Tobsn | sam i have |
| 17:52.18 | Tallu | I dont have xorg.conf anymore.. |
| 17:52.19 | Tobsn | no wshaper found |
| 17:52.20 | Tallu | i wnder what happened |
| 17:52.32 | Tobsn | the command wondershaper exists |
| 17:52.37 | _Sam-- | try to edit /sbin/wondershaper |
| 17:52.41 | pickcoder | anabain_: that depends on the length and the crimp style of the patch cable |
| 17:52.49 | jelly-home | Vasistha: also, your laptop might or might not work well with acpi. My P3 Compaq Armada E500 worked well with 2.4 + bios suspend to disk, and somewhat less with 2.6 + swsusp. suspend-to-ram worked with apm+2.4, but failed at resume for acpi+2.6. Other combinations didn't work (2.4+acpi or 2.6+apm). |
| 17:52.50 | _Sam-- | or locate wondershaper |
| 17:53.01 | _Sam-- | (its wshaper on my box, that was what is causing differences) |
| 17:53.05 | Tallu | fine |
| 17:53.10 | Tallu | i'll just purge whole X :P |
| 17:53.18 | Tobsn | sbin/wondershaper, i think thats the script |
| 17:53.29 | _Sam-- | that is the config, the script, the whole 9 yars. |
| 17:53.30 | _Sam-- | yards |
| 17:53.32 | _Sam-- | thats everything. |
| 17:53.41 | Tobsn | okay |
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| 17:54.01 | Quickimaster | hello |
| 17:54.03 | Tobsn | in the debian readme in the docs theres a little howto... but i cant follow it... |
| 17:54.12 | Z_Morek | I'm trying to get started on building my own packages, is there a BASIC guide out there to get started? |
| 17:54.27 | Quickimaster | wath could Segmentation Fault in 32686, waiting for debugger mean and how can i fix it? |
| 17:54.37 | Z_Morek | most of what I'm getting on google aren't very "step-by-step" to break it down for me |
| 17:54.38 | anabain_ | pickcoder, it's the same cable I was using between a realtek 100Mbps and a gigabit LAN connector on an ASUS mainboard. Now I have replaced the old PII with the old realtek with a brand new ASUS with a gigabit LAN connector, but cannot bring it up... |
| 17:55.27 | pickcoder | anabain_: is the link LED flashing real slowly? |
| 17:55.27 | _Sam-- | make a new module for new gigabit controller? |
| 17:55.43 | anabain_ | yes, sloooowly |
| 17:56.09 | pickcoder | anabain_: then the card is in autosense, found a somewhat giga-friendly cable and is having a tough time establishing a link |
| 17:56.21 | maxy | shuveb|home, cydork: if you installed linux-source-2.6.17 I guess the debian patches are already aplied. You only have to add your own patch on top of it now, then build it. |
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| 17:56.27 | pickcoder | try a shorter cable or force the giga card into 100MB mode |
| 17:56.35 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 17:56.36 | Tobsn | We have an error talking to the kernel |
| 17:56.38 | Tobsn | this sucks ;) |
| 17:56.39 | maxy | shuveb|home: you know how to apply a kernel patch, yes? |
| 17:56.45 | shuveb|home | maxy, yes |
| 17:56.51 | cydork | maxy, yep that's wht i said .. |
| 17:56.58 | crypt_ex | can I mount an NTFS drive as write, if not whats the best way to move files from Debian to Windows? |
| 17:57.03 | anabain_ | pickcoder, but then the prob is the cable? Now the two pcs in the LAN have gigabit capability... |
| 17:57.05 | _Sam-- | you dont typically need new cable to go gigabit. |
| 17:57.19 | shuveb|home | maxy, thats the kernel im running - Etch |
| 17:57.23 | odla | how do i make my framebuffer use VESA? currently when i do cat /proc/fb i got nothing |
| 17:57.37 | Tobsn | okay i think wondershaper isnt working on that machine |
| 17:57.57 | _Sam-- | the only reason it wont work is you have a custom kernel and not the modules it needs |
| 17:58.03 | _Sam-- | standard kernels have everything |
| 17:58.16 | pickcoder | anabain_: do the devices show up in ifconfig? |
| 17:58.25 | anabain_ | crypt_ex, partition magic, convert NTFS to FAT32, and you will be sure you won't damage your stuff |
| 17:58.41 | anabain_ | yes, pickcoder |
| 17:58.46 | Ronin | anabain_: if pqmagic doesnt kill it ;) |
| 17:59.06 | pickcoder | anabain_: then I'd say a 99% probability it's the cable |
| 17:59.07 | crypt_ex | okay, stupid Windows media centre wont let me create fat32 partition :S |
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| 17:59.22 | pickcoder | anabain_: it needs to atleast be cat5e |
| 17:59.31 | _Sam-- | pickcoder: ive never met a gigabet card that wouldnt back down to 100mbps if it needed to |
| 17:59.35 | _Sam-- | gigabit |
| 17:59.53 | crypt_ex | anabain, could create a partition in fdisk on Linux and then format this on win and place files on there? |
| 18:00.00 | anabain_ | pickcoder, I don't know anyhting about these cables... where should I go to learn it? |
| 18:00.09 | pickcoder | _Sam--: it's not unsual for 100MB to do that when there's too much cross-talk or noise |
| 18:00.30 | _Sam-- | i find it unlikely that its cable related, if the cable goes fine at 100 |
| 18:00.34 | maxy | shuveb|home: so everything is clear now (except hat you need to read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz)? |
| 18:01.01 | shuveb|home | maxy, yes sir :) |
| 18:01.02 | anabain_ | crypt_ex, if you can, enter w$ and use partition magic to convert your ntfs partition into a fat32 one |
| 18:01.14 | crypt_ex | thanks anabain |
| 18:01.29 | anabain_ | _Sam--, it works fine right now, I have connected it to the old realtek |
| 18:01.38 | _Sam-- | and the old realtek goes 100mbps? |
| 18:01.50 | pickcoder | the realtek is a 10/100 card |
| 18:01.58 | anabain_ | yes, _Sam-- |
| 18:01.58 | pickcoder | thus my suggestion |
| 18:02.09 | _Sam-- | you know the realtek is running at 10 or 100? |
| 18:02.12 | pickcoder | but whadda *I* know... |
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| 18:02.18 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 18:02.20 | _Sam-- | and do you know the model of the new controller? |
| 18:02.31 | anabain_ | yes, _Sam-- |
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| 18:02.38 | anabain_ | it a NFORCE430 |
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| 18:03.06 | Quickimaster | wath could Segmentation Fault in 32686, waiting for debugger mean and how can i fix it? |
| 18:03.18 | anabain_ | it has its own drivers, and I've also tried forcedeth, but nothing |
| 18:03.20 | _Sam-- | that is the motherboard, what is the chipset of the gigabit controller |
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| 18:05.33 | anabain_ | _Sam--, Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a3) |
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| 18:06.31 | _Sam-- | anabain : http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware |
| 18:06.37 | _Sam-- | search that page for nvidia |
| 18:06.42 | anabain_ | _Sam--, btw, at boot time BIOS says check cable failed (I have enabled this option in MoBo's BIOS) |
| 18:06.56 | _Sam-- | thats cause the card dont work in debian .... |
| 18:07.00 | _Sam-- | dont know what kernel you got |
| 18:07.03 | _Sam-- | but read that page |
| 18:07.09 | _Sam-- | "4.27 and 2.6.8 Linux Kernels of Debian don't support following hardware/drivers:" |
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| 18:07.23 | anabain_ | 2.6.15 kernel |
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| 18:08.01 | _Sam-- | http://mandrivausers.org/lofiversion/index.php/t33708.html |
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| 18:09.23 | _Sam-- | i have some real work to get done, sorry my help is limited ...but i do not believe you have a cable issue. |
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| 18:09.40 | anabain_ | wow _Sam-- !! how did you get to this info so quickly? (thanks) |
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| 18:10.07 | anabain_ | thank you very much anyway _Sam-- , :) |
| 18:10.28 | _Sam-- | best of luck, im sure you will get it working, just sounds like it wants to be a pita. |
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| 18:10.46 | pickcoder | gah.. false alarm |
| 18:10.58 | anabain_ | I hope so. _Sam-- |
| 18:11.46 | Z_Morek | in response to my previous question, if it helps anyone, the actual guide is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html |
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| 18:11.54 | pickcoder | can anyone explain why mkinitrd would require a specific module to be in /lib/modules when it's pre-compiled in the kernel? |
| 18:11.55 | Z_Morek | to making deb packages |
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| 18:12.20 | unsolo | what email server is nice to use on sarge |
| 18:12.24 | petemc | exim4 |
| 18:12.31 | jelly-home | pickcoder: a hardcoded misfeature? |
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| 18:12.54 | stew | pickcoder: which module? |
| 18:13.13 | pickcoder | it's a stupid 3ware driver |
| 18:13.32 | pickcoder | no matter how I make the kernel config, mkinitrd still looks for the module |
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| 18:14.14 | stew | pickcoder: what version of the kernel are you trying to build an initrd for? |
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| 18:16.08 | JMT | Hi, how I can make sure that my vnc connection goes via ssh? |
| 18:16.12 | pickcoder | 2.6.17 |
| 18:16.21 | blondie | JMT: tunnel it |
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| 18:16.42 | Hoxzer | where are C header files located in debian? |
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| 18:17.01 | shuveb|home | Holborn, /usr/include |
| 18:17.06 | jonkri | nothing happens when i run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4", i expected to get the dialogs i got when i installed exim4 |
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| 18:17.09 | sgeigerbot | JMT: ssh tunnelling, aka port forwarding |
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| 18:17.54 | dauthi | Someone willing to help? Can't get the IP, the commandline just spams DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
| 18:17.57 | dauthi | DHCPNAK from 83.102.16.1 |
| 18:18.00 | dauthi | DHCPNAK with no active lease. |
| 18:18.02 | anabain_ | bon appetit, nvz |
| 18:18.02 | shuveb|home | Holborn, you'll need to install "libc6-dev" |
| 18:18.05 | stew | pickcoder: you shouldn't be using mkinitrd for 2.6.17, you should be using yaird or initramfs-tools |
| 18:18.16 | shuveb|home | Holborn, this package contains the include files |
| 18:18.39 | pickcoder | stew: I'm compiling a vanilla kernel |
| 18:19.03 | enouf | jonkri: it's exim4-config |
| 18:19.08 | sgeigerbot | JMT: To get to maching 192.168.10.19 which is behind the machine at 103.122.142.19 do this: ssh -L 5800:192.168.10.19:5800 sgeiger2@103.122.142.19 and then have your vnc client connect to localhost. |
| 18:19.27 | jonkri | enouf, ok, thanks |
| 18:19.45 | pickcoder | never mind.. I'll figure something out |
| 18:20.03 | stew | pickcoder: try initramfs-tools or yaird |
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| 18:20.17 | m0rtix | Hi |
| 18:20.26 | stew | pickcoder: initramfs-tools is better supported but requires udev |
| 18:20.28 | sgeigerbot | !srt m0rtix |
| 18:20.45 | m0rtix | stew LOL |
| 18:20.57 | m0rtix | i have installed 2 harddrive IDE of 250 Gbytes, how to install them ? |
| 18:20.58 | m0rtix | plz |
| 18:21.04 | smarcow | i have /boot mounted but apt-get install grub does not put a grub-dir there? shouldn't it do that? |
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| 18:21.19 | sgeigerbot | m0rtix: are they installed or aren't they? What does "installed" mean? |
| 18:21.35 | m0rtix | installed = in the PC |
| 18:21.38 | m0rtix | :X |
| 18:22.09 | jonkri | enouf, i didn't get the opportunity to supply username and password for the smtp server, any idea how i configure that? |
| 18:22.10 | chatty_mcChat | stew: why should you not use mkinitrd with 2.6.17? |
| 18:22.12 | sgeigerbot | m0rtix: If you have them physically in the machine but you are unable to use them, then perhaps you need to create partitions (with fdisk) and filesystems (with perhaps mkfs.ext3), and them mount them on a mount point (with the mount command). |
| 18:22.30 | m0rtix | fdisk doesn't show me them |
| 18:22.32 | m0rtix | :] |
| 18:22.33 | sgeigerbot | m0rtix: and perhaps you want to add a line to /etc/fstab so that the partitions get mounted each time the machien boots |
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| 18:22.40 | enouf | jonkri: not off-hand... man exim4 or man sendmail |
| 18:22.52 | sgeigerbot | m0rtix: be more specific when you ask a question next time. |
| 18:22.52 | jonkri | ok thanks |
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| 18:23.09 | m0rtix | how to "see" hdb etc.. ? |
| 18:23.22 | sgeigerbot | m0rtix: perhaps you have them misjumpered. Do you see them in dmesg? Are you sure you are trying to access them using the right device letter? |
| 18:23.30 | stew | chatty_mcChat: becuase it's devfs based, and kernel's >= 2.6.13 don't have devfs support |
| 18:23.36 | sgeigerbot | m0rtix: cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:23.40 | m0rtix | ok i cat |
| 18:23.53 | _Sam-- | sgeigerbot : you know he is messing around. |
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| 18:23.58 | odla | i've got splashy half way there now...it's coming up in my FB but it's colors are totally psychedelic (and very wrong) and splashy starts to close to the end so that the right side of the screen cuts it in half |
| 18:24.08 | sgeigerbot | _Sam--: what? I am a bot. |
| 18:24.49 | chatty_mcChat | stew: thx. |
| 18:24.49 | beardy | sgeigerbot: beer me |
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| 18:25.13 | m0rtix | sgeigerbot what dmesg ? |
| 18:25.35 | m0rtix | the BIOS detect them |
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| 18:26.01 | m0rtix | i past the cat proc in rasb w8 |
| 18:26.14 | sgeigerbot | m0rtix: does dmesg? |
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| 18:26.50 | enouf | jonkri: just a fyi (and for future pkg reference): try apt-cache search --names-only exim4 to see the various exim4 pkgs - and use dpkg -l exim4* to see some related pkg info |
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| 18:27.13 | m0rtix | http://rafb.net/paste/results/iow6EZ29.html |
| 18:27.22 | m0rtix | the cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:27.28 | Vasistha | beardy: well, no luck yet. I guess I'll mess around with the atyfb stuff another day. Thanks for your help, though! |
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| 18:27.33 | jonkri | enouf, ok, that's good. i'm trying to find how to auth to send mail via my isp but i don't find it. any idea what i should google on? |
| 18:28.02 | jonkri | the fact that smtp auth is also used locally sometimes doesn't make it better :) |
| 18:28.12 | quitte | jonkri: look for smarthost |
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| 18:28.18 | Vasistha | jelly-home: re suspend, I'm using a Compaq Armada 1750, a bit older than the one you had. So, were you ever able to get any kind of suspend-to-RAM functionality working with 2.6? |
| 18:28.22 | m0rtix | so sgeigerbot ? |
| 18:28.22 | m0rtix | : |
| 18:28.25 | m0rtix | lol |
| 18:28.27 | stew | m0rtix: according to that you have 3 HDs but only one is partitioned. you need to create partitions with fdisk or cfdisk |
| 18:28.30 | nekostar | !defrag |
| 18:28.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, defrag is the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big, or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html |
| 18:28.47 | beardy | Vasistha: No problem, good luck. |
| 18:28.51 | Shadowcat | ok.... |
| 18:28.54 | Shadowcat | !forget defrag |
| 18:28.54 | dpkg | Shadowcat: i forgot defrag |
| 18:28.56 | m0rtix | stew, fdisk doesen' show me other disk |
| 18:28.56 | enouf | jonkri: no clue -- haven't done / used it yet :-) Use 'locate exim' and review the html, README, etcfiles for info |
| 18:28.56 | m0rtix | lol |
| 18:29.13 | jonkri | ok :) |
| 18:29.26 | quitte | Shadowcat: whats wrong with that? |
| 18:29.31 | m0rtix | http://rafb.net/paste/results/mewy7243.html |
| 18:29.40 | m0rtix | :/ |
| 18:29.46 | Shadowcat | quitte: for one, it's NOT informative, and, windows bashing doesn't need to go into the infobot |
| 18:29.54 | Vasistha | m0rtix: try fdisk -l /dev/hd[a-f] |
| 18:29.58 | m0rtix | ok |
| 18:30.01 | Shadowcat | you can bind more than one IP to a nic right? |
| 18:30.03 | smarcow | how do i get my grub stage files in /boot ????? |
| 18:30.14 | jelly-home | Vasistha: no, but truth be told I didn't try very hard. |
| 18:30.24 | netsurf3 | hey can someone tell me what package i need to install to get the X11/X.h header |
| 18:30.31 | Vasistha | m0rtix: the main thing we want to know is which hard drives exist -- hda, hdc, hde? |
| 18:30.32 | _Sam-- | smarcow : try update-grub |
| 18:30.40 | Shadowcat | netsurf3: probably the xorg devel package |
| 18:30.43 | m0rtix | http://rafb.net/paste/results/pXcPjx18.html |
| 18:30.46 | Vasistha | jelly-home: hmm. well, so there's hope. |
| 18:30.50 | netsurf3 | Shadowcat: thanks |
| 18:30.53 | netsurf3 | sounds like it |
| 18:31.05 | Shadowcat | anybody know if you can bind more than one ip to a nic? |
| 18:31.11 | stew | !defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html |
| 18:31.12 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:31.15 | _Sam-- | Shadowcat: of course |
| 18:31.15 | stew | Shadowcat: you can |
| 18:31.19 | beardy | Shadowcat: You can. |
| 18:31.21 | m0rtix | there are detected Vasistha |
| 18:31.22 | _Sam-- | eth0x[a]:1 etc |
| 18:31.23 | Shadowcat | stew: much better |
| 18:31.23 | m0rtix | look |
| 18:31.25 | m0rtix | http://rafb.net/paste/results/pXcPjx18.html |
| 18:31.32 | _Sam-- | er eth0:1 (damn nick completion) |
| 18:31.38 | Shadowcat | beardy: is that dependent on the isp though? |
| 18:31.42 | m0rtix | hdd & hdb |
| 18:31.43 | m0rtix | :X |
| 18:31.46 | Shadowcat | because I know my cable modem sticks to mac addresses |
| 18:31.47 | stew | m0rtix: run cfdisk /dev/hdb ; then cfdisk /dev/hdd |
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| 18:31.52 | m0rtix | ok |
| 18:31.57 | smarcow | _Sam--, I did but grub still complains |
| 18:31.58 | Shadowcat | I might confuse the hell of it by binding four ips to a single mac |
| 18:32.16 | _Sam-- | did you try grub-install |
| 18:32.30 | m0rtix | stew u r0x :X, i will try to partition it |
| 18:32.35 | Shadowcat | basically I'm thinking of building a linux router, and I get four ips from my isp, and would like to use them all if possible |
| 18:32.45 | m0rtix | i make primary or logical ? |
| 18:32.46 | smarcow | _Sam--, the file it there though, so i dunno whats wrong. |
| 18:33.04 | _Sam-- | you have to install grub on your MBR |
| 18:33.27 | _Sam-- | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 18:33.46 | stew | Shadowcat: if you want to bind more than one ip to a nic you can create mulitple aliases in /etc/network/interfaces named like eth0:n where n is some number, (examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz) or you can bind more than one ip to a interface with "ip addr add..." which you can call from an "up" line |
| 18:33.49 | m0rtix | stew what type of partitions for my 2 HDD |
| 18:33.56 | m0rtix | logical or primary ? |
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| 18:34.14 | stew | m0rtix: it doesn't matter |
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| 18:34.32 | _Sam-- | or you can just ifconfig the additional ip to the device |
| 18:34.34 | _Sam-- | and add a route |
| 18:34.54 | Shadowcat | _Sam--: I get the host part |
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| 18:34.59 | Shadowcat | I'm talking about the modem here |
| 18:35.00 | _Sam-- | i like /etc/network/interfaces myself |
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| 18:35.10 | Shadowcat | basically my cable modem glues onto four macs |
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| 18:35.18 | Shadowcat | and then it doesn't let any more onto the network |
| 18:35.25 | nvz | I had to switch my local net back to static.. dhcp was driving me nuts.. the power went out earlier and two boxes were assigned each other's IP's.. fucked up my public keys, and hostname lookups :P |
| 18:35.33 | _Sam-- | any eth* can have sub interfaces with different ips |
| 18:35.34 | Shadowcat | I'm not sure how it will react it suddenly one mac requests four ips on its own |
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| 18:36.13 | vulture | nvz: why did they get assigned each others IPs? don't you have a static (MAC->IP) configuration on your DHCP server? |
| 18:36.17 | m0rtix | In fdisk |
| 18:36.23 | m0rtix | what is the number for EXT 3 type ? |
| 18:36.25 | Tallu | Is there a way for me to retrieve default xorg.conf configuration? |
| 18:36.29 | _Sam-- | why would your cable modem company assign 4 or more IPs to your cable modem? like what makes you think you can get 4 ips? |
| 18:36.33 | m0rtix | there are extentedn linux extented, linux |
| 18:36.37 | m0rtix | .. |
| 18:36.48 | nvz | vulture: I am using a shitty router appliance from like 2002 or earlier right now |
| 18:36.49 | Shadowcat | _Sam--: because I get four dynamic ips |
| 18:36.59 | Shadowcat | and the way the cable modem distributes them is one per mac address |
| 18:37.00 | _Sam-- | then you can just run dhclient on the different sub interfaces |
| 18:37.10 | vulture | nvz: which doesn't have a way to establish a static assignment? inconvenient. |
| 18:37.12 | Shadowcat | and they'll have different macs? |
| 18:37.12 | _Sam-- | dhclient eth0:1 |
| 18:37.15 | Shadowcat | hmm.... |
| 18:37.18 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: might have to reset it or wait a bit if the same ips were previously used by other mac addresses. |
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| 18:37.23 | _Sam-- | same mac, its one card..only one mac |
| 18:37.32 | _Sam-- | i guess you could set the mac to anything you want though |
| 18:37.35 | nvz | vulture: I dont like even messing with its configuration system.. its ugly. |
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| 18:37.38 | netsurf3 | Shadowcat: i found the package you mentioned, but it says in order to install it , it must remove some illogical things like opera, xlibs, xlibs-data,xserver-common |
| 18:37.40 | m0rtix | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DwdH9157.html |
| 18:37.41 | _Sam-- | i just dont know how, since i dont do that from linux |
| 18:37.44 | m0rtix | for EXT 3 ? |
| 18:37.48 | m0rtix | what is the number ? |
| 18:37.54 | Shadowcat | _Sam--: sigh, thanks anyway |
| 18:38.01 | Shadowcat | all this because I need a subversion server |
| 18:38.08 | nvz | vulture: I need to put another nic in one of these boxes and setup one as a router |
| 18:38.08 | _Sam-- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address#MACChanger |
| 18:38.16 | nvz | but that sounds too much like work |
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| 18:38.31 | _Sam-- | then you can change the mac address for each sub interface |
| 18:38.31 | vulture | nvz: that's what I did at hoem - ran my Debian box as the gateway/NAT/etc. |
| 18:38.44 | jelly-home | _Sam--: does that work? |
| 18:38.46 | Shadowcat | _Sam--: that would fix that part |
| 18:38.48 | vulture | I'd do it here too, but my housemates wanted to buy a dedicated wireless router *shrugs* whatever suits |
| 18:38.50 | Shadowcat | thanks |
| 18:38.58 | _Sam-- | its not hard , what you want to do |
| 18:39.12 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 18:39.22 | _Sam-- | have 1 main interface, (eth0) and 3 sub interfaces (eth0:1 eth0:2, etc) |
| 18:39.26 | junix|work | for some reason my debian box at home keeps losing its network connection....any reason? |
| 18:39.28 | nvz | vulture: networking isnt really my bag.. I just fooled around with tor & privoxy and couldnt get them working right.. |
| 18:39.30 | _Sam-- | add them into /etc/network interfaces |
| 18:39.36 | _Sam-- | tell them to use dhcp (auto) there |
| 18:39.46 | jelly-home | I've never seen a wired nic that actually could change MAC, let alone listen on multiple ones. |
| 18:39.47 | _Sam-- | if-down -a if-up -a...then change the mac |
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| 18:39.53 | Shadowcat | _Sam--: basically I'm going to bind all four ips to the router, then I'm going to give one ip nat block to my parents |
| 18:40.00 | Shadowcat | say 10.0.1.x |
| 18:40.01 | _Sam-- | then dhclient on the interfaces |
| 18:40.04 | Shadowcat | and then give one to myself |
| 18:40.10 | Shadowcat | or I could give myself three ips |
| 18:40.14 | Tallu | Is there a way for me to retrieve the xorg.conf file.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt create a new one, and apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg doesnt either |
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| 18:40.49 | _Sam-- | "In Debian just put |
| 18:40.50 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.50 | _Sam-- | in the appropriate section of /etc/network/interfaces so that the MAC address is set when the network device is started." |
| 18:40.59 | Shadowcat | thanks again |
| 18:41.02 | _Sam-- | gotta do some work, good luck |
| 18:41.05 | jelly-home | _Sam--: have yor tried it? |
| 18:41.06 | stew | netsurf3: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:41.12 | Shadowcat | yes I'll expect a lot of RTFM |
| 18:41.28 | Shadowcat | I just wanted to make sure the concept was viable before I shelled out for the box itself (I need to build it) |
| 18:41.30 | _Sam-- | jelly-home: no, but how hard can it be, a 29 dollar wireless router / gateway thging does it |
| 18:41.33 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg gkrellm |
| 18:41.33 | dpkg | gkrellm just rocks. http://gkrellm.net, or have a look at http://gkrellm.luon.net for 4 cool plugins If you have seen the movie Forbidden Planet, you might recall the Krell had a room with wall to wall meters for monitoring their power systems, and that is what I was thinking of when I came up with the GKrellM name. |
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| 18:41.42 | SJr|Work | Anyone familiar with UML, I'm trying to get a serial device to be accessible in the UML machine, but can't figure out the syntax or even the point of it. i.e. what is an ssl device. |
| 18:41.45 | ceegee | hello |
| 18:41.51 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: you can't multibind with a soho router |
| 18:41.52 | jelly-home | _Sam--: it can be very hard if firmware doesnt support it. |
| 18:41.56 | SJr|Work | Also how do I get screen to have a scroll back buffer like my regular terminals do. |
| 18:41.56 | Shadowcat | no home router offers that |
| 18:42.01 | Shadowcat | hence why I'm building one myself |
| 18:42.15 | stew | SJr|Work: ctrl-a esc |
| 18:42.17 | _Sam-- | my home router offers the ability to change mac, which is what the comments are based on |
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| 18:42.29 | Shadowcat | _Sam--: but not multibind right? |
| 18:42.32 | dendrite | Tallu: /query dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 18:42.38 | _Sam-- | i fyou got a wrt-54g you can |
| 18:42.43 | _Sam-- | they run linux |
| 18:42.49 | _Sam-- | linksys wrt-54g |
| 18:42.55 | Shadowcat | wrt54g can multibind? hmm... |
| 18:42.58 | Shadowcat | sweet |
| 18:43.08 | _Sam-- | just get hyperwrt or openwrt |
| 18:43.10 | _Sam-- | gotta work |
| 18:43.20 | ceegee | I install slapd, during installation a user (defaults to admin) and its password were created. is that user my rootdn? |
| 18:43.22 | Shadowcat | ok, thanks for the advice |
| 18:43.22 | SJr|Work | thanks stew |
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| 18:45.04 | jelly-home | ceegee: afair yes, verify with grep rootdn /etc/ldap/slapd.conf |
| 18:45.25 | ceegee | jelly-home: I did, there is no rootdn in slapd.conf |
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| 18:45.54 | Tallu | dendrite: as weird as that may sound.. it didnt work. it didnt overwrite the old config |
| 18:46.01 | jelly-home | ceegee: hmm, do you have the user in slapcat output? |
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| 18:46.43 | dendrite | Tallu: "it" being what? |
| 18:46.44 | nvz | are any animals harmed in generating slapcat output? |
| 18:46.51 | sanity | can anyone give me a pointer on how to send a HTML email from the command line? |
| 18:47.04 | ceegee | jelly-home: yes |
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| 18:47.15 | Tallu | dendrite: well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. after echoing the md5sum of the config file |
| 18:47.16 | cydork | Tallu, there is some bug in that xorg md5, ask stew if i remember correctly he knew about it.. |
| 18:47.20 | pickcoder | nvz: occasionally |
| 18:47.34 | Tallu | cydork: hmm okay |
| 18:47.38 | Shadowcat | cydork: indeed, there's a bug in the md5 |
| 18:47.45 | nvz | my cat doesnt like getting slapped |
| 18:47.48 | m0rtix | o primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this. |
| 18:47.48 | m0rtix | Toggle bootable flag of the current partition |
| 18:47.51 | m0rtix | lol |
| 18:47.52 | pickcoder | nvz: more typical cases involve Gforge configurations that just don't work after hours of tweaking |
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| 18:47.55 | m0rtix | i can't make it in ext 3 |
| 18:47.58 | m0rtix | :/ |
| 18:48.00 | beardy | sanity: HTML has nothing to do in an email, it is the EVIL! |
| 18:48.00 | dendrite | sanity: Content-Type: text/html; |
| 18:48.06 | odla | hoorah i got splashy to work :) |
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| 18:48.06 | Shadowcat | it points to the wront file, it points to /etc/X11/X instead of /etc/X11/xorg.conf iirc |
| 18:48.18 | Shadowcat | wrong* |
| 18:48.29 | Tallu | stew: if you're around and have a minute, I've a bit of a problem with xorg config files and was told to hilight you. :) Trying to get a clean copy of the xorg.conf but echoing md5sum and then dpkg-reconfigure just doesn't cut it. |
| 18:48.35 | Tallu | Shadowcat: hmm ok |
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| 18:48.36 | dendrite | sanity: I agree with beardy though. HTML in email sucks. |
| 18:48.50 | _Sam-- | it only sucks if you use PINE |
| 18:48.55 | jelly-home | ceegee: meh, I can't remember how Debian does it. I'd put 'rootdn "cn=admin,... your basedn here..."' into slapd.conf, restart and try binding. |
| 18:49.00 | Tallu | Shadowcat: how would I go about fixing that? |
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| 18:49.01 | dendrite | _Sam--: No, it just sucks. |
| 18:49.07 | Ronin | html in email is nasty regardless what you use _Sam-- |
| 18:49.11 | Shadowcat | Tallu: relink the softlink |
| 18:49.12 | sanity | dendrite: it can be useful if you know that your recipients have HTML-capable email readers |
| 18:49.13 | cydork | Shadowcat, i think something is wrong with xserser-xorg.postinst script, i tried to debug it but had no luck :P |
| 18:49.13 | Shadowcat | I think |
| 18:49.19 | _Sam-- | i disagree...thats like saying all webpages should be just text |
| 18:49.20 | ceegee | jelly-home: yes, thats the way I know |
| 18:49.26 | _Sam-- | like 10 years ago, html email was bad |
| 18:49.29 | Ronin | sanity: doesnt matter if they can read it or not, its still bad |
| 18:49.34 | _Sam-- | these days 99% of email clients support HTML fine |
| 18:49.35 | dendrite | sanity: It's just evil. It's usually used as a crutch for people who can't communicate with text. |
| 18:49.36 | m0rtix | No primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this. |
| 18:49.36 | m0rtix | Toggle bootable flag of the current partition |
| 18:49.40 | Shadowcat | cydork: well I know that if you purge XOrg and reinstall it it'll give you a proper file |
| 18:49.41 | m0rtix | shit :/ |
| 18:49.44 | hollowsoul | Srry about simple question, but easiest way to find out. Do source deb packages, need the source code inside them. Or can basicly get it to download the source from somewhere else ??? thx |
| 18:50.09 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - can someone remind me what to add in /etc/fstab exactly so my ntfs partition gets automatically mounted on lets say /mnt/winc every time the machine starts up and that ordinary user (and not root only) can have access to it |
| 18:50.15 | beardy | sanity: And what are 99% of tyhe email clients then? That's right, evildoers. |
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| 18:50.33 | Shadowcat | Sirius_Black: mount -t ntfs -o umask=0222 /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs |
| 18:50.39 | Ronin | _Sam--: doesnt make it right |
| 18:50.42 | Sirius_Black | Shadowcat: cheers |
| 18:50.46 | _Sam-- | i disagree. there is nothing wrong with html email from business sources. what is the problem? |
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| 18:50.49 | Shadowcat | beardy: email is evil that's why I don't like it |
| 18:50.59 | Shadowcat | _Sam--: HTML in itself is evel |
| 18:51.00 | Shadowcat | evil* |
| 18:51.04 | _Sam-- | surely |
| 18:51.10 | Cooner750 | Is there anyway to get better looking fonts in Debian? Like in windows? So web browsing dosent have as plain ugly fonts |
| 18:51.12 | pickcoder | HTML makes it even harder to filter spam |
| 18:51.13 | _Sam-- | i make a living off of it...i must be evil too |
| 18:51.15 | sanity | dendrite: bold and italics aren't a recent invention |
| 18:51.21 | pickcoder | it's tough enough with plain text garbage |
| 18:51.22 | beardy | _Sam--: Then you must have missed it's porpose. |
| 18:51.24 | Sirius_Black | Shadowcat: I actualy wanted the /etc/fstab line that does that. can you please help? |
| 18:51.26 | beardy | sanity: You said it yourself. |
| 18:51.27 | SJr|Work | I love HTML e-mails with Javascript |
| 18:51.38 | _Sam-- | spamassassin has no problem filtering html |
| 18:51.40 | Shadowcat | Sirius_Black: I just gave you the fstab line |
| 18:51.48 | nvz | eww |
| 18:51.49 | dendrite | sanity: It has nothing to do with recent. HTML email just sucks, it's lame, and when I get it, I automatically deduct 15 points from the sender. |
| 18:51.51 | Shadowcat | fstab feeds options to mount |
| 18:51.56 | cydork | Shadowcat, yep coz it will remove the xorg.conf and reinstall it. |
| 18:51.56 | cydork | Shadowcat, but you have have to remove more than xserver-xorg |
| 18:51.59 | sanity | dendrite: that is nice for you |
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| 18:52.01 | pickcoder | It's one thing to send the HTML in a MIME attachment. |
| 18:52.10 | Shadowcat | if you know the mount line you can extract the fstab line out of it |
| 18:52.26 | Shadowcat | cydork: aptitude purge xlibs usually does the trick |
| 18:52.29 | Shadowcat | purges the whole tree |
| 18:52.38 | _Sam-- | i dont see the downside any bit at all to html in email |
| 18:52.41 | sanity | dendrite: personally i'm not that bothered about it, there are bigger problems in the world than the fact that some people send HTML emails |
| 18:52.47 | _Sam-- | what is the downside? |
| 18:52.50 | dendrite | sanity: That's nice for you. |
| 18:52.57 | m0rtix | hmm i can't make my 2nd HDD in EXT 3 because it tell me: |
| 18:52.57 | m0rtix | No primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this. |
| 18:52.58 | m0rtix | Toggle bootable flag of the current partition |
| 18:53.03 | m0rtix | some ideas plz ? |
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| 18:53.07 | Shadowcat | !plz |
| 18:53.07 | dpkg | somebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 18:53.46 | Shadowcat | you don't need dos to boot a secondary volume |
| 18:53.52 | pickcoder | __Sam--: people tend to abuse client's bandwidth with it. There's nothing worse than a 300K image map as an e-mail. |
| 18:53.52 | Shadowcat | hence it doesn't need a bootable flag in the first place |
| 18:53.55 | Shadowcat | ignore the message |
| 18:54.06 | dendrite | I thought "plz" was shorthand for "I'm too lame to do any work, let alone type entire words, but can you help me?" |
| 18:54.10 | _Sam-- | pickcoder: on a cable modem or dsl, that is what, all of 2 seconds? |
| 18:54.11 | enouf | m0rtix : linux is 83, swap is 82 - create an extended partition 05 (IIRC) and then logicals within that |
| 18:54.11 | pickcoder | except maybe a larger image map |
| 18:54.14 | sanity | pickcoder: so then object to that, not HTML in emails generally |
| 18:54.25 | m0rtix | enouf i want an ext 3 |
| 18:54.29 | Shadowcat | dendrite: that about sums it up |
| 18:54.34 | m0rtix | ok 05 |
| 18:54.35 | pickcoder | _Sam--: Multiply that by hundreds of users on a network |
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| 18:54.54 | _Sam-- | i dunno, these days bandwidth flows pretty freely and cheaply, at least at my places. |
| 18:54.55 | enouf | m0rtix : see my last comments |
| 18:54.57 | Tallu | Shadowcat: ln -s /etc/X11/xorg.conf /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum ? I'm sorry, never had to use links before. |
| 18:55.00 | _Sam-- | a few hundred people, getting 300k |
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| 18:55.01 | _Sam-- | bfd |
| 18:55.17 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 18:55.26 | Shadowcat | Tallu: I think we better check with gravity |
| 18:55.30 | Shadowcat | I'm not gonna vouch for that |
| 18:55.35 | Shadowcat | or stew |
| 18:55.36 | enouf | m0rtix : the 'logicals' can be whatever you like, but they need an Ext'd as a pcaholder |
| 18:55.39 | Ronin | _Sam--: obviously you aren't paying the bills :) |
| 18:55.40 | Shadowcat | you might end up making it worse |
| 18:55.42 | enouf | placeholder* |
| 18:55.47 | _Sam-- | i pay them all...i own the place. |
| 18:55.55 | _Sam-- | my bill dont go up any more or less if people use more |
| 18:56.03 | _Sam-- | id rather use more, i dont pay per byte |
| 18:56.16 | pickcoder | lucky you |
| 18:56.17 | Tallu | Shadowcat: well, can't make it much worse. :) I suppose I could just purge X if it doesnt start working.. but i'd like to try and solve it, always prefer to find out why things are broken heh |
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| 18:56.29 | Cooner750 | How do I know if I have the right driver loaded for my 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RF/SG AGP ? |
| 18:56.31 | _Sam-- | bandwidth aint shit in the big picture of business expenses, and i own a dot com with 25 employees here |
| 18:56.36 | Shadowcat | it's X in testing/unstable, it's supposed to be broken |
| 18:56.40 | Tallu | Shadowcat: well, that didn't work, now I have a xorg.conf file with nothing but the md5sum in it, haha |
| 18:56.49 | Tallu | Shadowcat: Yeah, I know. :) |
| 18:56.57 | dendrite | Tallu: If that's what you have, then you didn't follow directions. |
| 18:57.00 | Ronin | _Sam--: we pay bandwidth charges here, our dept alone has 900 users, i have no idea at all what the total user count is but i do know that the bandwidth usage is nasty to begin with never mind when they try to do some lame arse html email |
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| 18:57.04 | cydork | Tallu, the only way to solve it is too debug postinst script. |
| 18:57.15 | pickcoder | _Sam--: I totally understand. However; if you can get more work done without spending extra cash, isn't that a worthwhile effort? |
| 18:57.26 | smarcow | do i have to install anything or will a pcmcia 8139too work out of the box on a fresh debian install? |
| 18:57.35 | pickcoder | _Sam--: I'm not saying HTML e-mail should be barred |
| 18:57.41 | m0rtix | enouf |
| 18:57.42 | m0rtix | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ol2u7w93.html |
| 18:57.44 | m0rtix | look |
| 18:57.45 | _Sam-- | i find it more worthwhile to utilize html emails for business, than worry about the bandwidth implications of same. |
| 18:57.45 | m0rtix | my actions |
| 18:57.46 | m0rtix | :] |
| 18:57.56 | Ronin | _Sam--: to each thier own |
| 18:57.57 | pickcoder | _Sam--: But the amount of SPAM our mail server has to handle is growing expontentially |
| 18:57.59 | nvz | smarcow: that driver is included in the kernel |
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| 18:58.12 | pickcoder | _Sam--: That removes bandwidth from customers |
| 18:58.18 | _Sam-- | if the email is a 300k link to an image map...that doesnt slow down customers on your side |
| 18:58.21 | _Sam-- | only when they open the file |
| 18:58.22 | smarcow | nvz, kthx |
| 18:58.41 | pickcoder | _Sam--: true |
| 18:58.42 | jelly-home | pickcoder: bw for spam is hardly related to puny size of legit html mail. |
| 18:59.08 | enouf | m0rtix : am looking... |
| 18:59.12 | m0rtix | ;) |
| 18:59.24 | odla | i'm getting this error when i try to add marillat's key: gpg: "141B907" not a key ID: skipping |
| 18:59.52 | _Sam-- | if people had your guys same mentality about html email, and bandwidth.,...the web would still use lynx |
| 19:00.02 | jelly-home | _Sam--: well, it's just that sending html mail by default is bad form. If you're sure the recipients will be able use it, go ahead. |
| 19:00.16 | Ronin | _Sam--: no ones saying html is bad, we're saying it has no place in email |
| 19:00.42 | _Sam-- | but you havent given any valid points.....you are most likely the same people who insist that flash on webpages is evil too |
| 19:00.50 | _Sam-- | there is place for html in email |
| 19:00.52 | _Sam-- | we use it effectively |
| 19:00.59 | nvz | I'm saying I am going back to bed, and should try actually staying asleep this time.. |
| 19:01.01 | Shadowcat | flash adverts on webpages suck |
| 19:01.08 | name | they do |
| 19:01.10 | Shadowcat | nvz: we know that never works |
| 19:01.15 | name | flash annoys anyway |
| 19:01.21 | dendrite | This html email discussion is getting boring. What text editors does everybody use, and why? |
| 19:01.27 | name | nano |
| 19:01.30 | Ronin | dendrite: heh :) |
| 19:01.30 | name | cause it rocks ;) |
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| 19:01.35 | ootput | is there an rss feed for package updates in sarge? |
| 19:01.36 | enouf | m0rtix : not sure how you're mucking it up but more info is needed -- see this as an ex; http://pastebin.ca/142869 |
| 19:01.39 | name | kate for coding and kdevelop sometimes |
| 19:01.51 | name | and sometimes quanta |
| 19:01.52 | _Sam-- | there is a tactful way to utlize flash, and html email.....just because you dont like it personally...does not mean it does not work well for the 99.9% of users with those embedded. |
| 19:01.53 | Shadowcat | emacs > * |
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| 19:01.57 | nvz | Shadowcat: yeah especially with hi-speed internet now.. I can hear traffic rumbling through the wall off the information super-highways |
| 19:02.08 | _Sam-- | and your arguments have done nothing to prove why its bad |
| 19:02.19 | cydork | I use emacs :P |
| 19:02.20 | _Sam-- | other than "it has no place in email"...thats fine, im done arguing. |
| 19:02.34 | jelly-home | _Sam--: this is really not relevant to #debian. |
| 19:02.40 | name | _Sam--: its insecure |
| 19:02.43 | Ronin | uh huh |
| 19:02.50 | name | _Sam--: senseless design |
| 19:02.55 | _Sam-- | html email is insecure...thats brilliant |
| 19:02.57 | blondie | web uses html, email uses plain text |
| 19:03.03 | name | _Sam--: it is |
| 19:03.28 | m0rtix | enouf |
| 19:03.28 | m0rtix | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 19:03.29 | m0rtix | /dev/hdb1 * 1 30401 244196001 83 Linux |
| 19:03.30 | m0rtix | is ok |
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| 19:03.33 | m0rtix | ;) |
| 19:03.37 | m0rtix | thx |
| 19:03.39 | _Sam-- | wait, let me guess x windows must be no good either for real servers |
| 19:03.42 | cydork | jelly-home, nothin interesting there too.. :P |
| 19:03.43 | _Sam-- | i know your crew |
| 19:03.46 | Ronin | _Sam--: let it go |
| 19:03.50 | name | _Sam--: ack |
| 19:03.54 | name | _Sam--: X sucks fore servers |
| 19:03.57 | _Sam-- | of course |
| 19:04.09 | name | _Sam--: senseless waste of resources |
| 19:04.13 | enouf | _Sam-- : macromonkey crap sucks (almost) everywhere - javacrap also stinks to the high load -- javascipt + flashcrud + applets = monkeymadness and what a dump! |
| 19:04.17 | _Sam-- | resources are cheap |
| 19:04.21 | _Sam-- | not as cheap as you, apparently |
| 19:04.29 | name | X sucks anyway :) |
| 19:04.29 | enouf | oh yeah +html in email = crap |
| 19:04.45 | name | no, X on servers sucks |
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| 19:04.51 | name | html stinks in emails |
| 19:05.00 | name | for it can execute code locally |
| 19:05.01 | enouf | m0rtix : shame on you ! |
| 19:05.09 | name | EOD :) |
| 19:05.14 | m0rtix | enouf thx to u :) |
| 19:05.15 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 19:05.21 | m0rtix | and all persons |
| 19:05.23 | nvz | ah, the damn A/C kicked on.. sweet |
| 19:05.24 | Shadowcat | Ronin: I agree, this is fun |
| 19:05.25 | m0rtix | see u |
| 19:05.34 | m0rtix | u rox :) continue to help |
| 19:05.51 | name | give me money for making an evening program for u |
| 19:05.52 | ezu | I am trying to get a NM256 AV sound card to work and I need to know how to place an option for the module in the modules.conf file. The option is force_ac97=1 .. i am just not sure of where to place that |
| 19:05.53 | name | ;) |
| 19:06.02 | odla | anyone know if kmplayer-plugin can handle realaudio/realvideo if w32codecs is installed? |
| 19:06.04 | name | im flaming, you're having fun, no fair :P |
| 19:06.33 | jelly-home | top posting full-quote Outlook users irk me more than occasional html-only mail, they're much less readable. |
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| 19:07.03 | nvz | odla: w32codecs has Real Video 8&9 codecs |
| 19:07.04 | name | btw mail, gotta check these |
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| 19:07.13 | name | no new messages on server *aahhh* |
| 19:07.15 | Quickimaster | configure: error: libXpm.(a|so) not found. |
| 19:07.20 | Quickimaster | how can i fix that? |
| 19:07.42 | phanter | is there a separate irc for debian edge |
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| 19:07.47 | jelly-home | Quickimaster: install libxpm-dev |
| 19:08.01 | _Sam-- | yo robin, hows those gxps? |
| 19:08.17 | nvz | phanter: what? |
| 19:08.48 | Devil_Kin | hey ppl, any idea what might cause this error on startup: invoke-rc.d: WARNING: invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence |
| 19:08.51 | Devil_Kin | invoke-rc.d: enabling safe mode: initscript policy layer disabled |
| 19:08.54 | phanter | separate irc chanel for debian+1 |
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| 19:09.28 | cahoot | phanter: meaning debian testing/etch? |
| 19:09.38 | phanter | yes, sory for typo |
| 19:09.39 | nvz | who our round eggs flattened the postal cake walk tuesday? |
| 19:09.53 | dansushi | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typed it in right- it works in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Anyone have any idea what is wrong? |
| 19:10.08 | dendrite | phanter: No separate channel for Etch that I know of... |
| 19:10.09 | cahoot | phanter: this is the place then (or #debian on oftc) |
| 19:10.28 | robin_sz | _Sam--, better, to soem extent |
| 19:10.39 | _Sam-- | the display is done blanking? |
| 19:10.48 | robin_sz | yeah thats 99% solved |
| 19:11.05 | phanter | Oke, I do not understand how I can make an encrypted filesystem with de GUI installer. When selecting encryted, I cannot select the filesystem to be "/" or "/home"? How can I do it? |
| 19:11.10 | azeem | dansushi: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 19:11.11 | _Sam-- | mine have been working pretty well here...no complaints from users for a while, so i left em be at last update |
| 19:11.15 | azeem | maybe there's a hint in there |
| 19:11.17 | _Sam-- | you on that newest beta? |
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| 19:11.33 | dansushi | azeem, nothing there |
| 19:11.40 | robin_sz | _Sam--, one is, the rest arent .. and that one was by mistake |
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| 19:11.57 | clarissa | hi all ^^ |
| 19:12.07 | azeem | dansushi: create a new dummy account and try with that |
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| 19:12.28 | dansushi | hmm. ok |
| 19:12.33 | robin_sz | _Sam--, some eejut on voipinfo.org linked the latest beta from the blurb about stable anbd the stable from the blurb about beta, like a twit I d/l'd it and installed it ... |
| 19:12.42 | robin_sz | _Sam--, as usuaul, its a one way trip |
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| 19:13.05 | clarissa | where to download Eterm for debian testing version? |
| 19:13.07 | dansushi | azeem, wow, i've never actually had to make a new user.. how do i do that? |
| 19:13.10 | _Sam-- | robin_sz : you do anything with debian/LUKS/cryptosetup? (encrypted filesystem) |
| 19:13.13 | peterS | dansushi: adduser |
| 19:13.22 | dansushi | ok |
| 19:13.29 | Quickimaster | configure: error: freetype2 not found! |
| 19:13.33 | cydork | !why eterm is not in testing |
| 19:13.33 | dpkg | eterm is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=eterm |
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| 19:13.41 | robin_sz | _Sam--, I tried encfs, that sorta works |
| 19:13.43 | gmak | hello debbers |
| 19:13.43 | Quickimaster | done: apt-get install freetype2 |
| 19:13.44 | peterS | Quickimaster: install libfreetype6-dev |
| 19:13.45 | Quickimaster | done: apt-get install freetype2-dev |
| 19:13.47 | _Sam-- | im using encfs now for /homes |
| 19:13.49 | gmak | i know this is off topic |
| 19:13.51 | _Sam-- | the performance hit sucks |
| 19:13.57 | _Sam-- | wanted to try LUKS |
| 19:14.00 | gmak | but watch this and please do not ban : http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/7424/ubuntunakedarses7ms.jpg |
| 19:14.13 | BigZaphod | how do I revert a package to the previous version? mysql 5.0 updated (running testing) and it's crashing every few minutes. previous version of 5.0 didn't do that. |
| 19:14.18 | robin_sz | _Sam--, the encfs package in Sarge is slightly broken too, missing some dependencies |
| 19:14.27 | peterS | gmak: don't apologize for something being off-topic. just avoid posting it in the first place. |
| 19:14.34 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 19:14.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 19:14.35 | gmak | hi peterS |
| 19:14.40 | _Sam-- | i like encfs, but the LUKS has 10x more performance when you hit the encfs limits |
| 19:14.41 | gmak | yes i am not askign for help |
| 19:14.52 | _Sam-- | it works fine for what im doing, but i wouldnt want to encfs up my mysql tables |
| 19:14.55 | gmak | check out the pick and find out what ubuntu really is :P |
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| 19:15.03 | Gnea | gmak: this is a technical channel, not a porn channel, and most certainly NOT an ubuntu channel. good-bye. |
| 19:15.08 | Ronin | gmak: no thanks |
| 19:15.16 | Gnea | ~troll gmak |
| 19:15.18 | apt | ACTION hereby declares gmak a troll |
| 19:15.18 | robin_sz | gmak, is it a picture of a turd? |
| 19:15.18 | gmak | yeah ok i know i was sent this by a friend |
| 19:15.23 | gmak | yes ok ok |
| 19:15.32 | Quickimaster | configure: error: Cannot find rfc822.h. Please check your c-client installation. (i did do: apt-get install gcc g++ make) |
| 19:15.34 | gmak | i am not a troll and you know that, be easy now |
| 19:15.40 | peterS | we don't know that |
| 19:15.43 | cydork | !moron gmak |
| 19:15.43 | dpkg | gmak: You are moron #36 |
| 19:15.51 | _Sam-- | im #35, dont feel bad |
| 19:15.52 | gmak | please remove that |
| 19:15.53 | Gnea | gmak: you have already proven that you are a troll by our standards. |
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| 19:16.15 | gmak | yes sure I will give you no comment on that, perhaps you misinterpreted |
| 19:16.27 | gmak | still, sticks and stones may hurt my bones but words cannot hurt me |
| 19:16.28 | Gnea | interpret this. |
| 19:16.31 | stew | can you guys please just drop it, and get back on topic |
| 19:16.32 | cydork | !lart gmak |
| 19:16.36 | dansushi | azeem, it does the exact same thing.. and still nothing in .xsessionerrors |
| 19:16.57 | clarissa | great , but i need Eterm :( its the only good reason for implement complete translucent terminal inside wallpaper |
| 19:16.58 | blondie | gmak: get it right, it's "*break* my bones" |
| 19:16.58 | BigZaphod | resend: how do I revert a package to the previous version? mysql 5.0 updated (running testing) and it's crashing every few minutes. previous version of 5.0 didn't do that. |
| 19:17.01 | _Sam-- | dansushi : your monitor probably doesnt support the video mode x is trying |
| 19:17.05 | peterS | ok, folks, STOP TALKING TO GMAK. he doesn't need help, he doesn't have anything debian-related to discuss, you should stop encouraging him already. |
| 19:17.07 | _Sam-- | or your video card |
| 19:17.12 | Gnea | clarissa: have you tried the unstable package of eterm yet? |
| 19:17.13 | dansushi | nah... |
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| 19:17.40 | nvz | I am happy with my psuedo-transparent aterm |
| 19:17.41 | _Sam-- | its been a while, but did you check your .xinitrc do make sure its loading the right window server? |
| 19:17.41 | clarissa | Gnea, no i didn´t cause i don´t know how to add it since i dont want to crash my etch installation or get a dual installation |
| 19:17.43 | dansushi | i know this is bad, but i am running kde in root right now and it works fine... |
| 19:17.50 | jharrisonwk | blah blah blah |
| 19:17.53 | enouf | gmak: we collectively fart in your general direction |
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| 19:17.58 | peterS | enouf: enough |
| 19:18.01 | Gnea | clarissa: how about reinstalling sarge and using backports to install it? |
| 19:18.10 | cydork | clarissa, try simple sid backport |
| 19:18.14 | dansushi | _Sam--, i know this is bad, but i am running kde in root right now and it works fine... |
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| 19:18.19 | jelly-home | aterm ftw! |
| 19:18.20 | Gnea | cydork: is there such a thing? |
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| 19:18.26 | clarissa | i had sarge but its to old for sarge i dont need backports otherwise its directly inside |
| 19:18.26 | peterS | dansushi: yeah, chop saws work quite well without the plastic guard, too, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to use them that way |
| 19:18.27 | _Sam-- | yeah, its probably .xinitrc in the ~ directory of the user that is wrong |
| 19:18.31 | cydork | !simple sid backport |
| 19:18.31 | dpkg | i heard simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 19:18.36 | _Sam-- | or something like that, been a long time since i messed with x |
| 19:18.40 | gmak | peterS: I think that I have not sweared at anyone here ok? some apologies would be nice |
| 19:18.44 | Gnea | right on |
| 19:19.02 | clarissa | sarge is just to old etch will be the next stable |
| 19:19.08 | Ronin | gmak: we're sorry you spammed the channel with ubuntu stuff ;) |
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| 19:19.13 | Gnea | clarissa: so you've used backports before? |
| 19:19.25 | dansushi | peterS, i know, but i am just saying that it is not my videocard, but i need to use somethng temporaily |
| 19:19.30 | peterS | gmak: I'm not going to go around demanding apologies from people who do bad things on irc. I just tell them to stop doing them. |
| 19:19.35 | Gnea | Ronin: cease. |
| 19:19.36 | _Sam-- | dansushi : compare .xinitrc in ~root to .xinitrc in ~user |
| 19:19.41 | clarissa | Gnea, inside sarge i did one time yeah but it can break my distribution |
| 19:19.44 | dansushi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.45 | nvz | Ronin: heh ;) and sorry he got lame friends who send him that stuff |
| 19:19.55 | gmak | peterS: you seem to be well respected in here, please stop this |
| 19:20.12 | Gnea | clarissa: it works just fine here. well, give the sid backport a shot... |
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| 19:20.16 | Ronin | clarissa: backports broke your install? they're designed for sarge so they shouldn't do that |
| 19:20.20 | peterS | gmak: I already told people to stop talking to you. Now I'll ask you to stop talking to everyone else. that should solve the problem. |
| 19:20.23 | Cooner750 | Why would I be getting these errors in Synaptic ? http://pastebin.ca/142898 |
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| 19:20.27 | stew | gmak: do you have any debian related questions? of not, please move on |
| 19:20.36 | dansushi | where is .xinitrc located? |
| 19:20.43 | Gnea | dansushi: ~/ |
| 19:20.44 | peterS | dansushi: your home directory |
| 19:20.46 | stew | dansushi: in your home directory |
| 19:20.51 | clarissa | Ronin, i know that cause that i were angry but i left sarge too cause its really to old :/ |
| 19:21.01 | mutante_ | . files are hidden, need to use ls -al |
| 19:21.04 | clarissa | i can try sid backport |
| 19:21.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:21.13 | Ronin | clarissa: i disagree but then i want stability not bleeding edge :) |
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| 19:21.16 | clarissa | but i hope it works i dont want to reinstall ....... |
| 19:21.17 | peterS | mutante_: nah, no need for -l. and as for -a, I prefer -A. |
| 19:21.24 | dansushi | _Sam--, i thought so, but there is nothing there of that name |
| 19:21.26 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.29 | ry1 | quick question, wlan-ng or hostap for best use of prism 2 2.5 card? |
| 19:21.32 | Gnea | clarissa: it wouldn't be in dpkg if it didn't work. |
| 19:21.38 | _Sam-- | Cooner750: check your apt-sources |
| 19:21.40 | clarissa | Ronin, what do i have from stability when sarge cant handle my hardware? |
| 19:21.45 | _Sam-- | it looks like you have stable/nonstable in the wrong place |
| 19:21.46 | unsolo | hmm courier-authdaemon is that removed from the package tree ? |
| 19:21.50 | mutante_ | peterS: ok, since ls -d was disappointing ;) |
| 19:21.50 | Gnea | ry1: as a client or an AP? |
| 19:21.56 | clarissa | Gnea, okay :) |
| 19:21.59 | ry1 | gnea: client |
| 19:22.04 | ry1 | pen testing and the like |
| 19:22.07 | _Sam-- | dansushi : check /root/.xinitrc |
| 19:22.11 | _Sam-- | do you have that? |
| 19:22.14 | dansushi | no |
| 19:22.14 | gmak | stew: deb problems are inexistent now, I would simply like to follow discussion and help if anyone needs help; do not make this harder if somebody tries to be friendly, humorous, collaborative ecc. I really did not enjoy some of the comments above, but that is life. And nothing can break my bones so "hurt" is the right word. That said I drop it and stick to following ON - TOPIC stuff. |
| 19:22.16 | Gnea | harold1820: please do not PM me. |
| 19:22.30 | Gnea | ry1: wlan-ng |
| 19:22.37 | ry1 | gnea: thanks |
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| 19:22.52 | SimAtWork | i need to install the mysql 5 client on a debian sarge (stable) box. |
| 19:22.59 | SimAtWork | is there a straightforward way to do this? |
| 19:23.09 | _Sam-- | check /etc/X11 |
| 19:23.12 | stew | SimAtWork: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:23.16 | _Sam-- | and then type locate xinitrc |
| 19:23.26 | _Sam-- | its been a while |
| 19:23.29 | Gnea | SimAtWork: yes, use backports |
| 19:23.31 | Gnea | !backports |
| 19:23.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:23.31 | ezu | i am trying to put a force_ac97=1 option on the snd_nm256 module, I know it goes in to modules.conf but I am not sure where I should put it at and what the line should look like |
| 19:24.03 | peterS | ezu: not modules.conf. do you use kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? |
| 19:24.14 | dansushi | _Sam--, i see a folder xinit and in it a shell script called xinitrc... is that it? |
| 19:24.20 | robin_sz | _Sam--, LUKS not on Sarge then? |
| 19:24.25 | ezu | peterS, i have both installed, i would prefer to use 2.4 |
| 19:24.45 | _Sam-- | robin_sz : its there, i got everyting i need, but there is no way to encrypt up a running partition/machine, without making a new partition someplace |
| 19:25.01 | peterS | ezu: then put your line in some file in /etc/modutils (doesn't matter too much which file, I believe). The format is "options snd-nm256 force_ac97=1" if I'm not mistaken |
| 19:25.09 | peterS | ezu: then run "update-modules" |
| 19:25.11 | _Sam-- | so what i would need to do is a pita...first, get new drive...then crypt everything to new drive in LUKS...then build new raid array from crypted drive |
| 19:25.13 | robin_sz | _Sam--, ahh, cryptsetup right |
| 19:25.14 | _Sam-- | not looking forward to it |
| 19:25.17 | ezu | peterS, ok let me give that a shot |
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| 19:25.25 | peterS | ezu: in kernel 2.6 it would be a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ and you wouldn't need to run update-modules afterwards |
| 19:25.35 | arisv | error mount cd-rom, modprobe -v ide-detect during the 3rd step of the installation, why? |
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| 19:26.04 | robin_sz | _Sam--, if you are serious about encryption, I guess its the only way of ensuring that data is really not on the drive |
| 19:26.30 | _Sam-- | im comfortable with encfs and what it provides, just hate giving up performance on this sweet machine |
| 19:26.31 | peterS | ezu: btw, note the difference between 'snd-nm256' and 'snd_nm256'. the actual module name has a "-" in it. although, in 2.6 kernels, hyphens in module names are transformed to "_" so you could probably use either one for 2.6. |
| 19:26.42 | [ | anyone knows a irc server or a channel for webmaster's (like me) |
| 19:26.48 | _Sam-- | im mainly only trying to prevent off line theft (someone comes and steals a server) |
| 19:26.55 | arisv | anyone? |
| 19:26.56 | robin_sz | yeah |
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| 19:27.10 | robin_sz | _Sam--, keep it in a secure enviroment ;) |
| 19:27.28 | ezu | peterS, ya i know, it is a bad habbit of mine |
| 19:27.33 | _Sam-- | short of 24/7 patrol force at my office, i dont know that it would every be secure |
| 19:27.40 | _Sam-- | i mean, if someone wants it, they're getting it. |
| 19:27.41 | asp | anyone knows? |
| 19:27.52 | asp | a channel for webmaster? |
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| 19:28.08 | jelly-home | _Sam--: you could send yourself an sms/mail if it stops responding to ping. |
| 19:28.14 | Adrian2 | Hi :-) This is my first time 64bit.. what is the right net install version for Athlon64 3200+ for sarge? |
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| 19:28.19 | _Sam-- | its behind two locked doors, with a good security system...but a pro who wanted to target me could come get it...and i do use MON already to monitor it |
| 19:28.29 | lou80 | Hi, I'm on a ppc running sarge and having problems playing realplayer video. Could someone on a ppc please try this url and see if it works http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/tvseq/od/bbc2/bb/rm/video/newsnight_bb.ram since I suspect that the bbc are using a non standard .ram format |
| 19:28.29 | _Sam-- | which monitors pings, http, mysql, etc...i love mon |
| 19:28.37 | robin_sz | _Sam--, presumably you have adequate physical security? as in a suitable rack, with locking doors etc etc etc |
| 19:28.41 | _Sam-- | sorry, i know, nagios is probably better,...but ive known mon for about 10 years |
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| 19:28.49 | robin_sz | nagios is better :) |
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| 19:29.04 | _Sam-- | if it aint broke,.... |
| 19:29.10 | _Sam-- | sends me sms to my phone just fine |
| 19:29.11 | jelly-home | _Sam--: whatever works for you. I've seen decent mon and netsaint installations. |
| 19:29.20 | robin_sz | improve it? |
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| 19:29.45 | _Sam-- | if there were significant features i was lacking and needing |
| 19:29.52 | _Sam-- | i just need to know if something is up |
| 19:29.55 | robin_sz | strangely, we just built a new server cabinet at work ... 3mm stainless all round. |
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| 19:30.17 | jelly-home | robin_sz: cooling? |
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| 19:30.35 | _Sam-- | robin_sz : how crackable to a real expert would encfs using like 256AES be? |
| 19:30.45 | unsolo | any nice postfix and SQL guide laying around |
| 19:30.56 | enouf | lou80: this is the real url from within that file rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/news/olmedia/n5ctrl/tvseq/od/bbc2/bb/rm/video/newsnight_bb.rm?start="01:22.0" |
| 19:30.57 | lou80 | Or just go to the bbc site and stream some video, is it possible on ppc sarge? |
| 19:31.21 | lou80 | enouf, did you get it working? |
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| 19:31.46 | enouf | lou80: erm - I don;t use ppc - but that rtsp is the Real time streaming protocol |
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| 19:32.02 | lou80 | thanks i'll try rtsp... |
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| 19:32.14 | enouf | lou80: you should be able to paste that into your player |
| 19:32.56 | robin_sz | _Sam--, well, first they have to get the server, its bolted insode a secure cabinet, and alarmed, and with motion detection on the building CCTV ... which phones me. They have to get the server, before I get to the factory and rip them limb from limb and feed them to the local pig farm. bit by bit. |
| 19:32.57 | tuxedup | If I was to use the encrytped file system support found in the latest etch instller, how much system performance would I be sacraficing if I used my system for day to day tasks e.g. web browsing, word processing, casual programming etc? WOuld perforce suffer greatly. machine is celeron 2.6 256mb |
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| 19:33.35 | jharrisonwk | celeron? |
| 19:33.40 | robin_sz | _Sam--, once the pigs have digested the evidence, I shall declae them encrypted ;) |
| 19:33.52 | _Sam-- | tuxedup : iuf you use the LUKS built in, nearly 0 |
| 19:34.10 | _Sam-- | there are some performance charts on it on toms hardware |
| 19:34.14 | unsolo | hmm |
| 19:34.25 | _Sam-- | http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/18/locking_up_linux-creating_a_cryptobook/ |
| 19:34.35 | _Sam-- | pages like 6-10 are all charts |
| 19:34.36 | mz_work | if i set up dnsmasq on one debian box, all other lan boxes can use it for dns yes? and if so how to tell other LAN boxes where the dns server is? |
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| 19:34.39 | unsolo | how do i install postfix with mysql and pop smtp imap ? |
| 19:34.55 | _Sam-- | mz_work : /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:35.10 | robin_sz | _Sam--, 404 |
| 19:35.23 | _Sam-- | you didnt paste something right then |
| 19:35.26 | _Sam-- | im looking at it |
| 19:35.28 | _Sam-- | http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/18/locking_up_linux-creating_a_cryptobook/ |
| 19:35.36 | lou80 | enouf, strangely enough i get sound but no video using the mplayer plugin in firefox! Reckon it could be a missing codec or something? |
| 19:36.02 | _Sam-- | http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/18/locking_up_linux-creating_a_cryptobook/page2.html |
| 19:36.06 | enouf | tuxedup: maybe some relevant info in /usr/share/doc/lg/109/chirico.html - it's a LinuxGazette article - searchable on web, or read locally if you have the lg pkgs installed |
| 19:36.14 | robin_sz | I didnt paste .. I right clicked "open in firefox" ... |
| 19:36.18 | unsolo | doh no one answers |
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| 19:36.35 | _Sam-- | try pasting :) |
| 19:36.38 | robin_sz | and its still 404 |
| 19:36.43 | unsolo | its the 8th question today no one answers |
| 19:36.43 | _Sam-- | im on page two now |
| 19:36.49 | robin_sz | lucky you |
| 19:36.51 | _Sam-- | go to www.freshnews.org |
| 19:36.55 | _Sam-- | and scroll to the bottom |
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| 19:36.57 | _Sam-- | then click on the link |
| 19:37.02 | robin_sz | they have a bottom? |
| 19:37.02 | _Sam-- | ALL the way at the bottom |
| 19:37.05 | tuxedup | i get 404 for it too |
| 19:37.07 | _Sam-- | under tom hardware |
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| 19:37.15 | unsolo | try the end button |
| 19:37.35 | _Sam-- | "Locking up Linux..."...search in firefox for it |
| 19:37.40 | _Sam-- | on www.freshnews.org |
| 19:37.45 | tuxedup | http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/08/16/locking_up_linux-creating_a_cryptobook_uk/page2.html |
| 19:38.10 | _Sam-- | this is my url: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/18/locking_up_linux-creating_a_cryptobook/ |
| 19:38.19 | _Sam-- | oh well |
| 19:38.39 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.41 | _Sam-- | it shows had bad encfs sucks compared to LUKS |
| 19:38.53 | unsolo | better to google what you want pluss gentoo than to ask a question in this channel |
| 19:39.10 | robin_sz | apparently not accessible as your url from within the UK ... |
| 19:39.21 | _Sam-- | sorry for the confusion, at least you got the content now. |
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| 19:39.42 | robin_sz | tyvm |
| 19:39.44 | tuxedup | so if I was to use luks (the default the installer chooses correct), the perforce mance reduction would be next to none? |
| 19:40.01 | _Sam-- | tuxedup: thats what the graphs insinuate |
| 19:40.12 | robin_sz | apparently, assuming you had half decent processor power |
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| 19:41.04 | _Sam-- | but if you are going to encrypt...the easiest way is to do it right now, at the point where you are |
| 19:41.05 | _Sam-- | not later. |
| 19:41.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:41.17 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:41.33 | zzsputnik | hello, i changed my /media/hda6 to /home , the files i have on home now are unreadable but i can see them with sudo nautilus.. but i cannot run anything within ???? |
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| 19:42.08 | tuxedup | thanks for the information to do with encrypted file systems cheers |
| 19:42.13 | harold1820 | _Sam--:can you tell me what debian is? |
| 19:42.42 | _Sam-- | Definitions of Debian on the Web: |
| 19:42.42 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: howdy |
| 19:42.51 | cydork | harold1820, if you dont know what are you doin here?? :P |
| 19:42.57 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: finey, you didn't find a sponsor? |
| 19:42.58 | _Sam-- | Debian, created by the Debian Project, is a widely used distribution of free software developed through the collaboration of volunteers from around the world. Since its inception, the released system, Debian GNU/Linux, has been based on the Linux kernel with many basic tools of the operating system from the GNU project. |
| 19:43.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: nope |
| 19:43.20 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i just stumpled on wmforkplop, which someone didn't find a sponsor either :( oh well |
| 19:43.26 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but the package is ready |
| 19:43.28 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm going to bed |
| 19:43.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok goodnight |
| 19:43.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: how's your baby? |
| 19:44.07 | harold1820 | thank you |
| 19:44.19 | _Sam-- | google would've worked. |
| 19:44.58 | harold1820 | what is a kernel? |
| 19:45.09 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: she is growing |
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| 19:45.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: 4 1/2 months old and she is 26 inches and weighs 16 pounds |
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| 19:45.45 | yossarian | grr |
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| 19:45.57 | xsdg | there we are |
| 19:46.14 | _Sam-- | xsdg: you are yossarian? |
| 19:46.23 | xsdg | _Sam--: yup |
| 19:46.25 | _Sam-- | do you play online poker? i play against some dude with that nick |
| 19:46.39 | xsdg | anyone know if wxPython is built against python2.4 yet? |
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| 19:46.50 | itrebal | i just apt-got (geted? what?) kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp (or smp-k8..) but i still don't have scsi support, i don't have a /proc/scsi folder which i should, any ideas where my issue might be and hwo to debug it? |
| 19:47.05 | xsdg | _Sam--: no; the name is pretty common from the book Catch 22 |
| 19:47.10 | _Sam-- | yeah i see that |
| 19:47.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1500&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| 19:47.26 | mutante_ | harold1820: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29 |
| 19:47.27 | _Sam-- | i didnt realize the origin, sorry |
| 19:47.34 | xsdg | _Sam--: np |
| 19:47.57 | harold1820 | thank you |
| 19:48.48 | tuxedup | is debian likely to include apparmour down the line, or is it likely to stick with selinux only? |
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| 19:49.47 | hjubal | hola |
| 19:49.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: her first word was 'debian' |
| 19:49.55 | harold1820 | hola |
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| 19:50.20 | harold1820 | como estas? |
| 19:50.22 | _Sam-- | xsdg : libwxgtk2.4-python ? |
| 19:50.31 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hahaha |
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| 19:50.36 | stew | !es |
| 19:50.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:50.37 | _Sam-- | python-wxgtk2.4 ? |
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| 19:51.24 | zzsputnik | hello, i changed my /media/hda6 to /home , the files i have on home now are unreadable but i can see them with sudo nautilus.. but i cannot run anything within ???? |
| 19:51.31 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: :) |
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| 19:51.41 | itrebal | any ideas how to get /proc/scsi working? so far its proving unsuccesful |
| 19:51.56 | _Sam-- | itrebal : what type of scsi controller |
| 19:52.14 | smarcow | sorry but how do i get the base-config command on a new distro-install? |
| 19:52.20 | itrebal | _Sam--: i beleive its an ACL controller |
| 19:52.33 | _Sam-- | acl is a brnad? |
| 19:52.43 | lou80 | Anyone know of a linux distribution for powerpc which plays things like realplayer, shockwave etc?? |
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| 19:52.53 | itrebal | err... i mean ALi |
| 19:53.01 | cydork | lou80, why what's wrong with debian?? |
| 19:53.14 | _Sam-- | you dont know what the model is? |
| 19:53.22 | _Sam-- | or what the motherboard model is? |
| 19:53.23 | lou80 | i can't watch video from the bbc website :-( |
| 19:53.28 | mz_work | no shockwave for linux |
| 19:53.30 | itrebal | i have no idea, actually - the "manual" has nothign about it |
| 19:53.43 | harold1820 | which operating systems do you know? |
| 19:53.45 | _Sam-- | there is a flash player for linux |
| 19:53.46 | lou80 | and i'm about to give up |
| 19:53.47 | _Sam-- | plays video |
| 19:54.09 | _Sam-- | shockwave i think is about 5 years old |
| 19:54.10 | cydork | lou80, did you try with mplayer mozilla plugin?? |
| 19:54.13 | _Sam-- | im not positive though |
| 19:54.17 | mz_work | lou80: is bbc real media? |
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| 19:54.51 | lou80 | strangely enough i don't think there is a mozill-mplayer for ppc |
| 19:55.22 | lou80 | apt-get can't find it search all the repositories i know of |
| 19:55.30 | azeem | lou80: so build it yourself |
| 19:55.56 | itrebal | _Sam--: i just read through all of dmesg and it doesn't tell me anything about it |
| 19:55.57 | Tobsn | whats the best way to start 20 script at the same time? |
| 19:55.58 | lou80 | from source? i guess that's the way to go |
| 19:56.08 | _Sam-- | it doesnt tell you anything about it, because the kernel doesnt understand what it is |
| 19:56.15 | itrebal | that would do it |
| 19:56.16 | cydork | lou80, try this http://honk.sigxcpu.org/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/ |
| 19:56.31 | _Sam-- | you need to know some specifics on your hardware |
| 19:56.32 | lou80 | cydoek thanks! |
| 19:56.32 | _Sam-- | like what it is |
| 19:56.41 | _Sam-- | is it on board controller on a motherboard? |
| 19:56.47 | _Sam-- | if so, then go to your motherboard site and find out what it is |
| 19:56.53 | _Sam-- | if not, figure out what you got |
| 19:56.59 | itrebal | yes its an onboard controller, and i'm going to check out the website |
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| 19:59.10 | _Sam-- | so apparently, your installation isnt using the scsi drive as the main linux device? |
| 19:59.18 | _Sam-- | its just a spare/extra drive? |
| 19:59.19 | quitte | doesn't lspci show the controller? |
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| 20:01.07 | _Sam-- | should show something |
| 20:01.13 | mad_ | good evening * |
| 20:01.21 | itrebal | i think i'm going to have to reboot forthis |
| 20:01.30 | _Sam-- | try what quitte...lspci |
| 20:01.36 | _Sam-- | you are booted into linux? |
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| 20:01.56 | itrebal | me? certainly |
| 20:02.03 | _Sam-- | try typing 'lspci' |
| 20:02.07 | itrebal | and i know its made by the ALi corporation |
| 20:02.08 | _Sam-- | and see if you see the device listed |
| 20:02.18 | flawd | I am considering buying a new computer based on intel core 2 duo and Asus p5b motherboard. I googled some and found this article ( http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25196 = suggesting the asus p5b motherboard will not work with linux at this point. can someone confirm this? |
| 20:02.41 | itrebal | 0000:00:0e.1 Unknown mass storage controller: ALi Corporation: Unknown device 5289 (rev 10) - that looks lik eit |
| 20:02.42 | flawd | I am adressing #debian as I would want it to run debian |
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| 20:03.03 | _Sam-- | check the motherboard site for exact specs on the scsi controller... |
| 20:03.12 | itrebal | _Sam--: i have - its not very informative |
| 20:03.40 | azeem | flawd: hard to say, I suggest you try to find out more about general Linux support for it |
| 20:04.01 | azeem | flawd: if it is supported by Linux-2.6.16 or 2.6.17 out of the box, it should be fine on Debian testing |
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| 20:04.44 | _Sam-- | itrebal : what kernel are you using, and did you compile it yourself |
| 20:04.56 | Flash_ | itrebal - to get my onboard sata working with an ali chipset, I required a newer kernel than stock |
| 20:05.05 | Flash_ | mo, I'll check |
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| 20:05.28 | itrebal | _Sam--: nope, kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 20:05.33 | Flash_ | itrebal - I needed 2.6.12-1 before it would work |
| 20:05.40 | itrebal | Flash_: so a recompile? |
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| 20:05.53 | Flash_ | or a new kernel, but you're smp so probably need to make your own |
| 20:05.59 | _Sam-- | you could probably just make the module if you got the source |
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| 20:06.32 | Flash_ | was an abit or asus mobo, iirc |
| 20:06.38 | flawd | azeem, where do I check that? know a good site for searching for linux hardware compability? |
| 20:06.47 | itrebal | Flash_: would using the same .config work or would it require me to go through and check it all (just if you know, not a big deal either way) |
| 20:07.09 | Flash_ | itrebal - not sure, I'm not a kernal guru. |
| 20:07.19 | azeem | flawd: no, sorry |
| 20:07.27 | itrebal | alright, thanks alot _Sam-- and Flash_ - got me well on my way! |
| 20:07.28 | flawd | ok thank you |
| 20:07.40 | Flash_ | good luck, itrebal |
| 20:07.46 | itrebal | toodles! |
| 20:07.50 | Flash_ | once I got that kernal tho, it worked fine |
| 20:07.54 | [itrebal] | great :) |
| 20:08.02 | Flash_ | picked up the sata 4-channels as spec |
| 20:08.18 | _Sam-- | Flash_: what is the scsi option for that device? |
| 20:08.22 | _Sam-- | like what is name of it |
| 20:08.26 | Flash_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.31 | _Sam-- | in the kernel config |
| 20:08.43 | Flash_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.44 | _Sam-- | like this: CONFIG_SCSI_AIC79XX=y |
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| 20:08.59 | Flash_ | Sam - no sure offhand, how would I check? |
| 20:09.00 | tuv | hmm.. looks like i was away long enough to miss some conversation :( |
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| 20:11.13 | _Sam-- | weird, the ALi website doesnt list any scsi controllers |
| 20:11.30 | Flash_ | _Sam - possibly it's along these lines; CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3=m |
| 20:11.36 | _Sam-- | is it sata or scsi? |
| 20:11.55 | Flash_ | Mine are sata, but seen as scsi by linux |
| 20:12.03 | _Sam-- | yeah thats why |
| 20:12.31 | SimAtWork | what is the name of the tool that makes it easy to select a different server for your package repistories? |
| 20:12.38 | SimAtWork | my current server is getting less than 30k/sec. |
| 20:12.43 | ceegee | apt-setup? |
| 20:13.37 | SimAtWork | if that doesn't exist what do i do? |
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| 20:14.17 | tuv | SimAtWork, pick a mirror from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:14.23 | _Sam-- | [itrebal] : when you figure out what you got, this page will help: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 20:14.24 | SimAtWork | tuv, great! |
| 20:14.25 | SimAtWork | thanks |
| 20:14.57 | mutante_ | netselect - Choose the fastest server automatically |
| 20:14.57 | mutante_ | netselect-apt - Choose the fastest Debian mirror with netselect |
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| 20:16.30 | dyVus | hello |
| 20:16.31 | SimAtWork | yay, down to 10 mins from three hours for a dist-upgrade :) |
| 20:16.39 | SimAtWork | hey dyVus |
| 20:16.42 | dyVus | uhm, does someone know where to find a source list? |
| 20:16.46 | dyVus | from the netherlands? |
| 20:16.56 | _Sam-- | ttp://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full |
| 20:16.58 | _Sam-- | +h |
| 20:17.01 | SimAtWork | lol |
| 20:17.03 | SimAtWork | i just asked that |
| 20:17.09 | dyVus | hehe |
| 20:17.16 | dyVus | well, not to download the debian system! |
| 20:17.21 | dyVus | but its for the sources.list |
| 20:17.32 | _Sam-- | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:17.33 | SimAtWork | yah that link sam posted is what you need |
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| 20:18.17 | _Sam-- | that netselect-apt is a good tool |
| 20:18.19 | tanlaan | Hello |
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| 20:20.14 | dyVus | well |
| 20:20.14 | dyVus | uhm |
| 20:20.19 | dyVus | i want to update to the newest kernel |
| 20:20.20 | dyVus | how shut i do that |
| 20:20.28 | opitzs | hi, how can I get konsole to display 256 colors? I set the session term to xterm-256color but that didn't change anything. |
| 20:20.30 | azeem | dyVus: which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 20:21.04 | _Sam-- | could always just do "apt-get upgrade" (BEWARE) |
| 20:21.20 | _Sam-- | or just get the kernel image for your stuff |
| 20:21.37 | _Sam-- | like "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp" |
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| 20:22.21 | dyVus | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 20:22.24 | dyVus | doenst work |
| 20:22.29 | _Sam-- | thats probably not the right one for you, anyway. |
| 20:22.33 | _Sam-- | you need to know what you need. |
| 20:22.44 | dyVus | i need the i8... |
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| 20:23.20 | azeem | dyVus: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:23.28 | _Sam-- | dyVus : type "uname -a" |
| 20:23.30 | _Sam-- | and paste us the output |
| 20:23.31 | dyVus | ok |
| 20:23.40 | dyVus | dyvus:~# uname -a |
| 20:23.40 | dyVus | Linux dyvus 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:23.55 | _Sam-- | been a while since i messed with 2.4 :) |
| 20:23.56 | help_With_NFS | HEEEEEEEEEELP! |
| 20:24.01 | dyVus | hehe :) |
| 20:24.03 | _Sam-- | you can just upgrade a 2.4 to a 2.6 easy? |
| 20:24.14 | dyVus | uhm, i dont know |
| 20:24.14 | azeem | help_With_NFS: don't write in all caps |
| 20:24.18 | dyVus | i've done it before |
| 20:24.19 | help_With_NFS | ok |
| 20:24.21 | dyVus | but i dont remember how |
| 20:24.33 | dyVus | could you help me with that? |
| 20:24.40 | help_With_NFS | azeem: could u help me? |
| 20:24.44 | azeem | help_With_NFS: no |
| 20:24.55 | azeem | dyVus: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 20:25.02 | azeem | help_With_NFS: just ask your question to the channel |
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| 20:25.22 | dyVus | azeem thnx, its downloaden :) |
| 20:25.29 | cydork | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 20:25.30 | dpkg | to upgrade your kernel in sarge run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <386> or <k7> etc. if you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 20:25.56 | dyVus | intresting |
| 20:26.11 | tanlaan | anyone know a console player that will play music off an ipod? |
| 20:26.16 | tanlaan | anyone know a console player that will play music off an ipod? |
| 20:26.40 | dondelelcaro | tanlaan: any console player will; you just have to mount the ipod. |
| 20:26.51 | _Sam-- | http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page |
| 20:26.57 | tanlaan | dondelelcaro: I did mount it |
| 20:27.11 | dondelelcaro | tanlaan: so browse the filesystem and mpg321 the files therein, or use cplay or whatever. |
| 20:27.41 | tanlaan | dondelelcaro: there in a LOT of folders, without specified names, in a weird order. |
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| 20:28.50 | help_With_NFS | someone help me ... i installed debian etch in a client, and nfs is giving an error 32, something like "server is down". Server runs debian sarge. |
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| 20:33.15 | setog3 | hi all, I have a segfault with the mail command in unstable, what can I do ? |
| 20:33.42 | azeem | check the bts |
| 20:34.11 | tremor | help_With_NFS: was it working before (with another client)? |
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| 20:34.38 | Hoxzer | what do you guys think about ntfs? |
| 20:34.47 | ugly | any recommendations for a lightweight domain name server purely for local caching? |
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| 20:36.31 | mutante_ | Hoxzer: that you can only read it? |
| 20:36.49 | Hoxzer | mutante_: :) it can be written in linux too |
| 20:37.06 | mutante_ | via using the original windows.dll with captive ? :p |
| 20:37.08 | Ronin | Hoxzer: ya with a bit of risk still iirc |
| 20:37.15 | setog3 | azeem: oh yeah, the bug exist for 1 year .. :D |
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| 20:37.27 | mutante_ | that is supposed to work reliable but makes the box non-free :p |
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| 20:38.58 | nimurphy | hi, i set apache to run as 'daemon' once started as root. i have no idea what daemon is, but one of the executable files the apache process runs can't find one of it's libraries |
| 20:39.21 | mutante_ | ugly: http://www.madboa.com/geek/soho-bind/ |
| 20:39.27 | nimurphy | i reckon it's because the location of that library isn't in the daemon's path environment variable, if such a thing exists..... |
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| 20:40.01 | ugly | mutante_: ahh, I have a bit of an aversion to BIND - I'll just go with djbdns |
| 20:40.13 | nimurphy | so what am i asking... does a daemon have environment variables? how is it's access defined? |
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| 20:44.27 | nimurphy | what access rights does a daemon have? does have variables? |
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| 20:54.41 | Ronin | enouf: ewwww :) |
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| 20:55.39 | enouf | Ronin: what'd I miss ? hehehe |
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| 20:56.08 | Ronin | tab key gone wild :) |
| 20:56.11 | cydork | i thinks that was for eMish, right Ronin |
| 20:56.24 | Ronin | cydork: ya, fingers and tab key got ahead of the brain |
| 20:56.28 | Ronin | again |
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| 21:00.06 | nimurphy | hi, is it possible to set/alter access rights for a daemon process? the apache server is started as root and is then set to answer requests as 'daemon' |
| 21:00.23 | tsb | alguem pode ajudar em portugues? |
| 21:00.26 | tsb | sobre o nfs |
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| 21:00.50 | streuner | !br |
| 21:00.50 | enouf | tsb: !br |
| 21:00.50 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:00.51 | Ronin | !br |
| 21:00.52 | nimurphy | it can have environment variables passed to it by the starting process but i don't want to give it root access |
| 21:00.53 | Ronin | oops |
| 21:01.13 | streuner | !win streuner |
| 21:01.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 21:01.22 | enouf | doh |
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| 21:01.37 | streuner | hm, i would go to cuba just in time :-) |
| 21:02.18 | Ronin | cuba fun from what i hear |
| 21:02.44 | streuner | sure, in tourist places... |
| 21:02.59 | Ronin | streuner: ya but you can say that about lot of countries |
| 21:03.10 | streuner | some other places doesn't look good, but there are many countries as well... |
| 21:03.14 | streuner | :-) |
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| 21:04.02 | Ronin | none of the above :) |
| 21:04.25 | nimurphy | russians just park their missiles there from time to time |
| 21:04.58 | Ronin | and the u.s parts some troops there heh, not dull whose ever it is |
| 21:05.14 | Psych0tiC | I'm trying to install Debian with netinstall, but when it gets to the apt-get stage it tries to resolve the servers (I've tried loads) and it can't... |
| 21:05.28 | SimAtWork | cuba belongs to canada now |
| 21:05.40 | Vladi_ | nimurphy: why is that |
| 21:05.44 | streuner | Psych0tiC: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:05.51 | robin_sz | Psych0tiC, then, your dns and/or dhcp is broken |
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| 21:06.22 | Ronin | SimAtWork: i wish, we'd have a place then to go in the winter |
| 21:06.23 | Psych0tiC | I believe it has checked the dhcp... and if it is broken where can I manually input my dns server ? |
| 21:06.38 | robin_sz | in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:06.44 | Psych0tiC | ok thanx |
| 21:06.45 | nimurphy | Vladi_ oh, because if you were you might have taken insult to my comment about russians parking missiles in cuba. |
| 21:07.01 | streuner | Psych0tiC: keep in mind dhcp alter resolv.conf... |
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| 21:07.18 | opitzs | hi, how can I get konsole to display 256 colors? I set the session term to xterm-256color but that didn't change anything. |
| 21:07.20 | streuner | Psych0tiC: so you have to edit dhcp-client-config file |
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| 21:07.32 | nimurphy | Vladi_: although you must know not to take most things i say seriously. |
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| 21:07.42 | Psych0tiC | oh, but I'm on my other pc now, and the dhcp is working fine here |
| 21:07.57 | streuner | Psych0tiC: so edit dhcp config file in /etc |
| 21:08.10 | Psych0tiC | ok |
| 21:08.11 | streuner | Psych0tiC: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:08.24 | nimurphy | can anyone tell me how access control for daemons is administered? |
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| 21:08.26 | robin_sz | Psych0tiC, from the debian box, try pinging some tings by ip, check your notwork is actually up |
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| 21:08.29 | odla | Psych0tiC: you'll need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:09.28 | Psych0tiC | my eth0 interface is working fine, and the modem shows that the dsl is synced and that it is connected to the computer |
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| 21:10.39 | tremor | Psych0tiC: but is it online too? |
| 21:10.51 | Psych0tiC | how do u mean ? |
| 21:11.21 | tremor | Psych0tiC: dsl synced != connected to the provider |
| 21:11.33 | tremor | only means the physical connect |
| 21:11.53 | tremor | ergs .. my english is horrible |
| 21:11.58 | Psych0tiC | so I have to configure the dhcp? ok |
| 21:12.00 | tremor | sorry for this |
| 21:12.05 | Psych0tiC | thanks I'll try that now... |
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| 21:12.59 | tremor | Psych0tiC: my thinking was, that you have to setup your connect via dsl first |
| 21:13.11 | tremor | something like pppoe |
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| 21:16.09 | nimurphy | can anyone help me change the access control of a daemon process? |
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| 21:17.31 | abrotman | like? |
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| 21:22.49 | ugly | why isn't /usr/local/lib added to ld.so.conf by default? |
| 21:23.10 | mad_ | isn't apache configured that way, that it reduces its rights as soon as possible? |
| 21:23.32 | abrotman | usuall |
| 21:23.33 | abrotman | y |
| 21:23.59 | mad_ | I'm a bit confused about, what nimurphy means |
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| 21:25.45 | AndroidData | I want to send a "chown" command as a non-root user. |
| 21:25.46 | sascha_ | i loaded usb-modules and usblp, dmesg sees my printer but lsusb or hpoj dont. what could be wrong?= |
| 21:25.56 | AndroidData | I'm using SUEXEC with a CGI script so it's impossible to give root access. :\ |
| 21:25.59 | AndroidData | any ideas? |
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| 21:26.35 | abrotman | mad_: he didn't specify apache |
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| 21:28.51 | mad_ | erghs .. two nicks inside here. sorry for this |
| 21:29.39 | tremor | .. known as mad_ just a minute before |
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| 21:33.58 | xxpor2 | hey guys, when i try to add the mirrors.kernel.org repo, i get a E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 21:33.58 | xxpor2 | E: Error occurred while processing gaiksaurus (NewVersion1) |
| 21:33.58 | xxpor2 | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:34.07 | xxpor2 | when i update |
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| 21:34.36 | nimurphy_ | hi, lost the connection there. was looking for info on how access control for daemons is administered? |
| 21:34.37 | streuner | !dynamic mmap |
| 21:34.38 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
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| 21:35.03 | abrotman | nimurphy_: be less vague |
| 21:35.20 | xxpor2 | thanks streuner |
| 21:35.33 | streuner | abrotman: he repeated that 20 times |
| 21:35.49 | abrotman | streuner: so he should still be less vague ? |
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| 21:36.28 | nimurphy_ | apache server process is started by root, answers request as daemon. one of these is for a cgi-script, which then can't access one of it's libraries... |
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| 21:36.55 | nimurphy_ | so i need to set the $PATH that the daemon sees, if that makes any sense. |
| 21:37.12 | nimurphy_ | streuner: i wouldn't say 20 |
| 21:37.29 | abrotman | only 17 ? |
| 21:37.39 | PsychOtiC | I've tried configuring dhclients.conf and resolv.conf but it returned an error that I don't have permission |
| 21:37.51 | PsychOtiC | which is weird because I was logged in as root |
| 21:38.06 | nimurphy_ | maybe |
| 21:38.24 | PsychOtiC | does anyone know how I can edit those files ? |
| 21:38.46 | abrotman | are you really root ? |
| 21:38.47 | Nigromante | try chmod u+rw files |
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| 21:40.05 | tremor | abrotman: he wants to setup these files within a netinstall |
| 21:40.15 | PsychOtiC | yes, I'm really root |
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| 21:40.31 | abrotman | PsychOtiC: how are you editing them? with vi/nvi ? |
| 21:40.53 | Nigromante | try joe |
| 21:41.03 | PsychOtiC | oh, no I haven't tried that, oops :p |
| 21:41.24 | abrotman | PsychOtiC: how are you editing them? with vi/nvi ? |
| 21:42.06 | PsychOtiC | no not with vi/nvi |
| 21:42.06 | abrotman | if you use vi .. you can :w! |
| 21:42.06 | Nigromante | vim? |
| 21:42.07 | abrotman | nvi/vim/vi .. all do it |
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| 21:42.17 | Nigromante | i use joe... |
| 21:42.22 | PsychOtiC | I think it's nano it uses for text editing ... |
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| 21:43.16 | abrotman | ls -l /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 21:43.27 | nimurphy_ | abrotman: any suggestions on that, or does it make any sense?# |
| 21:43.27 | fasta | Is there any plan of changing apt such that it uses diffs for upgrading? |
| 21:43.39 | sascha_ | whats wrong if lsusb doesnt show my usb-printer ??? |
| 21:43.41 | abrotman | nimurphy_: what language is it written in ? |
| 21:43.52 | abrotman | sascha_: it's not on? |
| 21:44.04 | nimurphy_ | abrotman: eh, not too sure. maybe php. i didn't write it - mapserver |
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| 21:44.08 | abrotman | !tell fasta about pdiff |
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| 21:44.29 | sascha_ | abrotman, spare your stupid comments, kthx |
| 21:44.31 | abrotman | nimurphy_: more than likely you can change the path in whatever programming language it is |
| 21:44.41 | abrotman | sascha_: it was a question .. you'd be shocked what people don't do |
| 21:44.54 | fasta | abrotman: I mean for the packages, not the package file. |
| 21:44.55 | sascha_ | abrotman, usblp detects if if i plug it in |
| 21:45.04 | abrotman | sascha_: but lsusb doesn't see it ? |
| 21:45.05 | nimurphy_ | abrotman: the error log tells me that the referrer (mapserv) couldn't access a particular library. this lib doesn't happen to be in root's %PATH |
| 21:45.13 | sascha_ | abrotman, lsusb doesnt see anything |
| 21:45.17 | abrotman | fasta: oh .. not that i'm aware of .. they're binary packages |
| 21:45.21 | PsychOtiC | so how do I gain permission to dhclients.conf and resolv.conf ? |
| 21:45.24 | abrotman | sascha_: and dmesg ? |
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| 21:45.31 | abrotman | Psych0tiC: ls -l /etc/dhclients.conf |
| 21:45.41 | PsychOtiC | ok thanks |
| 21:45.47 | sascha_ | abrotman, dmesg shows the printer as well |
| 21:45.48 | Nigromante | to list permissions |
| 21:45.57 | Nigromante | to change use chmod |
| 21:46.00 | fasta | abrotman: SuSe does this IIRC, and it seems to work good. (I haven't used SuSe though) |
| 21:46.07 | abrotman | sascha_: but you can't use it because lsusb won't see it ? |
| 21:46.17 | Nigromante | to change user use chown |
| 21:46.20 | abrotman | fasta: well .. that's SuSE .. debian is not |
| 21:46.26 | sascha_ | abrotman, lsusb and the printer driver dont see it |
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| 21:46.35 | PsychOtiC | it tells me "ls" is an invalid option |
| 21:46.41 | Nigromante | ? |
| 21:46.46 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 21:46.46 | slange | i am attempting to instalil etch since netinst stable doesn't reckogize my network card. uplus i want etch anyways. i get a crazy error while trying to setup my disk using lvm ' Incorrect metadata area header checksum' |
| 21:46.56 | slange | anyone know of this issues/ seems it's a bug for newer versions of lvm2 |
| 21:46.57 | Nigromante | which OS are you using |
| 21:46.59 | fasta | abrotman: yes, I know. I just wanted to clarify that this is not an insanely bad idea. |
| 21:47.11 | abrotman | fasta: IMO it is .. you can ask the apt maintainers |
| 21:47.43 | abrotman | sascha_: what does dmesg say about it ? |
| 21:47.45 | fasta | abrotman: on that other irc server? Or do you mean some mailing list? |
| 21:47.53 | abrotman | !maint apt |
| 21:47.56 | dpkg | apt: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org> |
| 21:48.14 | fasta | abrotman: ok, you don't care to explain why it's a bad idea? |
| 21:48.18 | abrotman | !maint dpkg |
| 21:48.20 | dpkg | dpkg: Dpkg Developers <team@dpkg.org> |
| 21:48.28 | abrotman | fasta: i told you . .they're binary packages .. |
| 21:48.43 | Psych0tiC | so how can I gain access to dhclients.conf and resolv.conf, other than ls ? |
| 21:48.43 | abrotman | fasta: i can't imagine it'd save you much bandwidth |
| 21:49.02 | sascha_ | great, upgrading from sarge to etch breaks everything |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | Psych0tiC: ls -l /etc/dhclients.conf .. that's an L not a ONE |
| 21:49.22 | Psych0tiC | I know that's an L |
| 21:49.29 | Psych0tiC | and it tells me it's an invalid option |
| 21:49.40 | abrotman | sascha_: just your printer is broken ? |
| 21:49.48 | abrotman | Psych0tiC: wtf .. are you still in the installer ? |
| 21:49.54 | Psych0tiC | no... |
| 21:50.10 | abrotman | Psych0tiC: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us what it says |
| 21:50.11 | sascha_ | abrotman, no, u upgrade to etch and now i cant boot anymore |
| 21:50.16 | sascha_ | i upgraded* |
| 21:50.41 | abrotman | sascha_: what happens? |
| 21:50.43 | sascha_ | bullshit, what happenend to the good old solid debian linux? |
| 21:51.00 | abrotman | i run etch .. it works great |
| 21:51.04 | abrotman | and i upgraded from sarge |
| 21:51.04 | Nigromante | where does it break? |
| 21:51.11 | Nigromante | kernel panic? |
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| 21:52.21 | Psych0tiC | ah, now it worked, didn't see the space between l and /etc/ but now when I wrote it properly it displayed "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1510 [date] [time] /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 21:52.24 | abrotman | sascha_: dies how ? |
| 21:52.27 | jelly-home | fasta: there was talk of it on lists. AFAIR it was dropped as it would take a lot more resources (space and cpu) on the mirrors. |
| 21:52.31 | Psych0tiC | when I tried editing dhclient.conf again |
| 21:52.37 | Psych0tiC | it told me permission is denied |
| 21:52.39 | abrotman | Psych0tiC: use vi .. |
| 21:52.44 | abrotman | when you're done .. use :w! |
| 21:53.44 | Nigromante | you are not root then Psych0tiC , |
| 21:53.52 | Nigromante | you must become root |
| 21:53.53 | fasta | jelly-home: Yeah, I figured that would be a valid reason. I do think it saves on bandwidth when a suitable diff algorithm would be implemented. It's not like every part of a binary changed in a random way from release to release. |
| 21:54.23 | sascha_ | nvm, it boots, it was my fault |
| 21:54.23 | SNow | who can help me to configure zebra /quaagga ?? |
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| 21:55.03 | abrotman | sascha_: so you blamed debian for nothing?!?! |
| 21:55.06 | Psych0tiC | ok I can edit dhclient.conf now |
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| 21:55.10 | Psych0tiC | what do I need to edit ? |
| 21:55.23 | abrotman | Psych0tiC: what does 'whoami' say? |
| 21:55.24 | sascha_ | abrotman, yes, but the printer still doesnt work |
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| 21:55.42 | abrotman | sascha_: which kernel and/or udev? |
| 21:55.46 | Nigromante | sascha_ you may need to config cups |
| 21:55.48 | abrotman | does hwinfo show it ? |
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| 21:56.19 | Psych0tiC | whoami says root |
| 21:56.22 | fasta | Psych0tiC: emacs/vim/vi/nano/joe/whatever |
| 21:56.31 | Psych0tiC | I can edit dhclient.conf |
| 21:56.35 | Psych0tiC | what do I need to edit ? |
| 21:57.08 | streuner | the DNS entry? |
| 21:57.10 | abrotman | uh .. we don't know ? you're the one that wants to edit it |
| 21:57.11 | vasi | hey, i'm having a weird issue where my mouse freezes....if i pull out the USB plug, and reconnect it, it comes back to life |
| 21:57.12 | sascha_ | abrotman, 2.6.8, no udev |
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| 21:57.38 | vasi | dmesg says: |
| 21:57.41 | vasi | usb 1-1.1: USB disconnect, address 14 |
| 21:57.41 | vasi | usb 1-1.1: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 15 |
| 21:58.14 | vasi | any idea what i can do? i'm willing to debug, rebuild the kernel, anything to help :-) |
| 21:58.18 | fasta | vasi: it could be a broken mouse. I had one too. Probably the mouse didn't implement the usb protocol correctly. |
| 21:58.25 | tremor | Psych0tiC: just to clearify: you are inside the netinstaller ? have you setup your internet connection yet? do you use a separate hardware router for this? |
| 21:58.30 | vasi | fasta, thanks |
| 21:58.38 | vasi | i'll try another mouse |
| 21:58.57 | vasi | do you know if there's any way to force the system to re-scan when the mouse disconnects? maybe that could be a work around |
| 21:59.08 | abrotman | sascha_: there is a newer kernel in etch .. however .. i'm not sure it will resolve your issue |
| 21:59.19 | sascha_ | abrotman, i will try it |
| 21:59.34 | abrotman | sascha_: and they did use to work .. so that seems like a non-solution |
| 21:59.39 | abrotman | erm .. it used to work |
| 21:59.54 | sascha_ | abrotman, dmesg shows everything fine, the printer is detected |
| 22:00.01 | fluvvell | I have a linux network and would like the hostnames to be known across the network without manually entering them in each hosts file. Which package is best? |
| 22:00.03 | sascha_ | all usb kernel modules are loaded |
| 22:00.08 | abrotman | !find lsusb etch |
| 22:00.15 | sascha_ | usbcore, uhci_hcd and usblp |
| 22:00.19 | abrotman | fluvvell: NIS or samba |
| 22:00.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 22:00.28 | jelly-home | fasta: it saves on end user side, that's true. I don't like downloading lots of X11 fonts when someone's rebuilt X again for no reason either, but imagine thousands of users requesting arbitrary diffs for packages and mirrors having to compute and send them correct diffs. |
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| 22:00.36 | sascha_ | there is no reason for lsusb to not detect anything, not even the hub |
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| 22:00.52 | fluvvell | abrotman, I installed NIS sucessfully with password and username across, do I just include the hosts file as well? |
| 22:01.04 | Psych0tiC | tremor, no I'm not inside the netinstaller, I'm in Debian, but command mode (nothing has been installed yet because my connection sin't working) and I'm using a separate modem, yes |
| 22:01.07 | abrotman | fluvvell: you have to do a lot of reading |
| 22:01.23 | epitron | does anyone here use the amd64 build of debian? |
| 22:01.24 | abrotman | sascha_: anything additional from -v[v][v][v] etc ? |
| 22:01.31 | abrotman | !tell epitron about amd64 |
| 22:01.34 | fluvvell | abrotman, whats new! have already read the equivalent of War and Peace |
| 22:01.41 | sascha_ | abrotman, no |
| 22:01.43 | epitron | danke! :) |
| 22:01.43 | abrotman | fluvvell: NIS is not easy |
| 22:01.58 | fluvvell | abrotman, the username password stuff wasn't too bad |
| 22:02.01 | abrotman | sascha_: does it show *any* usb devices ? |
| 22:02.07 | sascha_ | abrotman, no |
| 22:02.14 | fluvvell | I found a pretty good guide page |
| 22:02.16 | abrotman | sascha_: do you have any others to test with ? |
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| 22:02.30 | abrotman | fluvvell: there's a way to pass the hosts file around to NIS clients |
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| 22:02.51 | sascha_ | abrotman, i have a usb hdd |
| 22:02.58 | fluvvell | abrotman, I had my suspicions on that. I'll go googling again. |
| 22:03.05 | abrotman | sascha_: if you plug it in .. does lsusb show it ? |
| 22:03.25 | sascha_ | abrotman, hdd works, lsusb doesnt see it |
| 22:03.39 | fluvvell | abrotman: does DNS come into all this as well? |
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| 22:04.07 | abrotman | fluvvell: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:04.25 | chjunior | stew: are U there? |
| 22:04.27 | abrotman | sascha_: there is a util called update-usbids .. though i don't know if it will do anything useful |
| 22:04.34 | fluvvell | abrotman: Yeah. I've had run-ins with that baby before also. |
| 22:04.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:04.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:04.53 | abrotman | fluvvell: sounds like you have all the pieces .. you just need the instruction guide :) |
| 22:05.14 | abrotman | sascha_: i don't see any bugs in the BTS that mention anyhting like that |
| 22:05.59 | chjunior | sorry abrotman |
| 22:06.00 | chjunior | ;) |
| 22:07.00 | sascha_ | abrotman, im booting 2.6.16, it populated /dev, i didnt see that with 2.6.8 |
| 22:07.20 | abrotman | sascha_: that might be a udev thing |
| 22:07.38 | fluvvell | abrotman: its high on my wish list! Howtos are good to a point, but there is so much reading when you have a simple setup to do. |
| 22:07.44 | sascha_ | abrotman, lsusb works now |
| 22:07.59 | abrotman | sascha_: did udev get installed ? |
| 22:08.08 | sascha_ | abrotman, printer driver detected printer. yes udev got installed |
| 22:08.14 | abrotman | fluvvell: IIRC .. the oreilly book on NIS is pretty good |
| 22:08.24 | abrotman | sascha_: i wonder if it's a hotplug bug |
| 22:08.26 | sascha_ | abrotman, thank you and sorry for the blaming :) |
| 22:08.33 | chjunior | somebody here had problems with the soundcard AC'97 ? |
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| 22:08.56 | Nigromante | which problem chjunior |
| 22:09.06 | streuner | chjunior: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 22:09.17 | abrotman | sascha_: beware that udev has its own issues |
| 22:09.43 | sascha_ | abrotman, udev=trouble |
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| 22:09.56 | sascha_ | i hope my adf scanning will work now |
| 22:10.04 | abrotman | sascha_: for some people .. especially if you have multiples of the same types of devices .. like two NICs etc |
| 22:10.04 | sascha_ | it aborted on my prev. distro |
| 22:10.10 | tremor | Psych0tiC: are you able to run 'pppconfig' ? (as root) |
| 22:10.16 | chjunior | Nigromante: every problem! the sound doesn't work! and I did somethings that I read on internet, than the sound worked, but after a reboot it stoped to work again |
| 22:10.17 | Psych0tiC | yes |
| 22:10.22 | Psych0tiC | but I run pppoeconf |
| 22:10.31 | abrotman | chjunior: which kernel? Alsa or OSS ? |
| 22:10.34 | chjunior | streuner: every problem! the sound doesn't work! and I did somethings that I read on internet, than the sound worked, but after a reboot it stoped to work again |
| 22:10.43 | streuner | chjunior: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 22:10.51 | Nigromante | chjunior, that involved kernel modules ?? |
| 22:10.52 | chjunior | # uname -r => 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 22:10.53 | chjunior | alsa |
| 22:11.07 | chjunior | # cat /proc/version => Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-17) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060630 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-4)) #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 |
| 22:11.08 | abrotman | !hate clients |
| 22:11.08 | dpkg | I hate clients! |
| 22:11.15 | streuner | chjunior: we don't want the output of uname |
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| 22:11.19 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:11.19 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 22:11.27 | abrotman | !tell chjunior about alsa one-liner |
| 22:11.31 | abrotman | !tell chjunior about alsa-checklist |
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| 22:11.42 | streuner | !win abrotman |
| 22:11.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:11.48 | streuner | haha |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | as my first act .. i say .. bomb germany! |
| 22:12.07 | tremor | Psych0tiC: I can not test it here, because I'm using a separate hw-router |
| 22:12.07 | odla | no more kde |
| 22:12.09 | streuner | hahaha |
| 22:12.17 | abrotman | odla: good plan :) |
| 22:12.21 | fluvvell | abrotman: thanks, I'll go read up. |
| 22:12.24 | odla | he he |
| 22:12.30 | tremor | Psych0tiC: maybe pppconfig will work for you. |
| 22:12.47 | ph00 | hi guys, krellm says that 3 users are currently connected, one should be me, and one could be root but who's the third one? Did I get hacked or something? |
| 22:13.00 | odla | abrotman: and i think you meant you'd bomb kgermany |
| 22:13.03 | tremor | abrotman: thank you, that you warn me before you start your bombs ;) |
| 22:13.09 | Psych0tiC | no... I tried it, it asks for a phone number etc. and I didn't get any of those because I'm not on dial-up but dsl |
| 22:13.17 | abrotman | odla: maybe |
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| 22:13.37 | tremor | Psych0tiC: ah ok. then I have to give up here on this. |
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| 22:13.48 | abrotman | tremor: oh .. i'm sure we'll get some UN resolution and then ignore it .. you'll have plenty of warning :) |
| 22:13.51 | nightwalker | i miss a small thing |
| 22:14.14 | odla | and will have 100% support from the UK and Canada |
| 22:14.19 | odla | s will/we'll |
| 22:14.26 | odla | good ol' harper |
| 22:14.26 | nightwalker | how can we get a background process to foreground ? |
| 22:14.31 | SerajewelKS | since i did a testing dist-upgrade, GTK apps in KDE don't use antialiased fonts (unless I run gnome-font-properties, then thay magically do). is there a workaround for this? |
| 22:14.40 | SerajewelKS | they* |
| 22:14.50 | abrotman | fg |
| 22:14.52 | tremor | abrotman: I hope so ^^ |
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| 22:16.16 | ph00 | why does gkrellm say 3 users connected? this is a one user box |
| 22:16.26 | Shadowcat | because you're logged in three times? |
| 22:16.35 | streuner | run 'who' or 'w' |
| 22:16.39 | abrotman | ph00: try 'who' or 'w' |
| 22:16.42 | ph00 | no, logged in once |
| 22:16.47 | ph00 | ok |
| 22:16.51 | Heston | ph00, are you using terminals? |
| 22:17.21 | chjunior | streuner: abrotman: see this: http://paste-bin.com/146 |
| 22:17.36 | ph00 | OK I got it, it's counting one user for each terminal. but who gives me the same usernam for all three |
| 22:17.42 | ph00 | it's OK then |
| 22:18.00 | abrotman | i blame streuner |
| 22:18.18 | ph00 | I blame *always* windows |
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| 22:18.49 | abrotman | chjunior: lsmod |
| 22:19.29 | chjunior | abrotman: http://paste-bin.com/147 |
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| 22:21.14 | ph00 | btw any of you could be intrested in using freenet? needs more ppl. |
| 22:21.31 | _Sam-- | people would probably use it, if it went faster. |
| 22:21.34 | ph00 | freenetproject.ogr (sorry for the spamming, that's the last time) |
| 22:22.11 | abrotman | chjunior: show streuner too!!! |
| 22:22.14 | ph00 | it would get faster if more ppl used it |
| 22:22.16 | _Sam-- | ive tried that and tor, they both are excruciatingly slow |
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| 22:22.31 | ph00 | and anyways, realiability and anonyminy comes first, than comes speed |
| 22:22.38 | ph00 | for any questions join #freenet |
| 22:22.41 | _Sam-- | anonymity, anonyminy is almost a sea creature |
| 22:22.52 | chjunior | abrotman: the most incredible is not the sound do not work, is that he worked this morning when I used this parameter buggy_semaphore=1 and after a reboot it simple stoped |
| 22:23.04 | chjunior | streuner: http://paste-bin.com/147 and http://paste-bin.com/146 |
| 22:23.08 | abrotman | _Sam--: what is a sea creature ? |
| 22:23.12 | _Sam-- | anemone |
| 22:23.29 | abrotman | just making sure :) |
| 22:24.16 | _Sam-- | do any p2p clients support freenet natively? |
| 22:24.34 | abrotman | chjunior: running gnome or kde ? |
| 22:24.41 | chjunior | abrotman: kde... |
| 22:24.57 | abrotman | eh .. what stupid sound daemon does kde use ? |
| 22:25.06 | chjunior | oss.... |
| 22:25.08 | azeem | artsd? |
| 22:25.09 | abrotman | is arts running ? |
| 22:25.13 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
| 22:25.17 | abrotman | grrr |
| 22:25.20 | azeem | :P |
| 22:25.31 | abrotman | azeem: how big are your stables! |
| 22:25.31 | azeem | drive-by winning |
| 22:26.28 | chjunior | abrotman: and than? |
| 22:26.36 | tremor | but naming the sound daemon 'arts' .. this is really a kind of art to throw down a system this way. |
| 22:26.45 | abrotman | chjunior: NO AND THEN! |
| 22:26.53 | abrotman | chjunior: is it running or not ? |
| 22:27.03 | ph00 | anemones are flowers, sea anemone are sea creature and anonyniny is ...bad typing |
| 22:27.18 | chjunior | abrotman: now is :D |
| 22:27.22 | abrotman | it shouldn't be |
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| 22:27.25 | unseensoul | hi |
| 22:27.33 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 22:27.34 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 22:27.36 | chjunior | hi |
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| 22:28.27 | chjunior | # cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 22:28.28 | chjunior | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 22:28.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:28.48 | unseensoul | how can i install the nvidia module in etch? |
| 22:28.53 | abrotman | chjunior: which OS is this |
| 22:29.18 | chjunior | abrotman: arts were stoped before, I just uped it when you said |
| 22:29.40 | chjunior | abrotman: debian gnu linux? |
| 22:30.00 | chjunior | unseensoul: what is happening |
| 22:30.00 | abrotman | don't run arts |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | don't run esound |
| 22:30.07 | abrotman | or esd |
| 22:30.50 | chjunior | I'm not running arts or esound |
| 22:30.57 | abrotman | or esd |
| 22:30.58 | abrotman | ? |
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| 22:31.28 | unseensoul | chjunior when i restarted gnome a message has appeared in the screen "video mode not supported" |
| 22:31.39 | chjunior | abrotman: I think not |
| 22:32.22 | flixil | hello, i am reading the bash man redirectors part, and i ended on Special Parameters, but i haven't found what IFS is. Can someone explain it to me? Thanks |
| 22:32.30 | chjunior | unseensoul: what "# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver" says? |
| 22:32.32 | abrotman | #bash ? |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | chjunior: unload all your sound modules .. run alsaconf again |
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| 22:33.04 | flixil | ohhh i never knew of that channel |
| 22:33.10 | flixil | thanks |
| 22:33.18 | azeem | flixil: welcome |
| 22:33.20 | chjunior | sorry abrotman, how do I unload all sound modules |
| 22:33.23 | chjunior | ? |
| 22:33.24 | sparr_ | Where in /proc can I find a list of executable file formats (a.out, elf, coff, etc) that my kernel supports? |
| 22:33.25 | azeem | chjunior: useless use of cat, btw |
| 22:34.04 | chjunior | azeem: ? |
| 22:34.16 | unseensoul | chjunior kbd, mouse, nv |
| 22:34.22 | abrotman | modprobe -r |
| 22:34.36 | abrotman | !uuoc chjunior |
| 22:35.00 | abrotman | chjunior: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 22:35.13 | sascha_ | does anyone know a tool that can rename foo1-foo999 to foo001-foo999? |
| 22:35.22 | azeem | sascha_: mmv |
| 22:35.31 | azeem | well |
| 22:35.39 | chjunior | abrotman: # modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 |
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| 22:35.53 | abrotman | every single sound related module |
| 22:35.56 | azeem | sascha_: probably not |
| 22:37.32 | chjunior | unseensoul: wich is you monitor size? |
| 22:38.02 | unseensoul | 1024*768 |
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| 22:38.31 | unseensoul | chjunior i had no problem with xfree86 until now that i install xorg |
| 22:38.52 | unseensoul | s/i install/i've installed |
| 22:39.08 | abrotman | and upgraded to etch ? |
| 22:39.44 | unseensoul | abrotman i've installed etch through the netinst |
| 22:39.59 | abrotman | etch starts with xorg |
| 22:40.04 | abrotman | at least now it does |
| 22:40.10 | unseensoul | yes |
| 22:40.15 | abrotman | gcc --version .. cat /proc/version |
| 22:40.55 | chjunior | abrotman: http://paste-bin.com/148 |
| 22:40.59 | unseensoul | 4.0.4 |
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| 22:41.26 | abrotman | that was two commands |
| 22:41.43 | abrotman | chjunior: dpkg -l alsa* |
| 22:42.32 | tremor | nice evening * |
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| 22:43.15 | chjunior | http://paste-bin.com/149 |
| 22:43.19 | chjunior | abrotman: http://paste-bin.com/149 |
| 22:43.35 | abrotman | show streuner ! |
| 22:43.40 | insmod | fsascha_: something like ''for i in *1-foo999; do mv "$i" `echo $i | tr 'oo' '00 '`; done'' not that though -- play with it |
| 22:43.51 | chjunior | streuner: http://paste-bin.com/149 |
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| 22:44.15 | pinky_ | How do I mount a HDD partition so that a normal user may read/write to it? |
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| 22:44.37 | streuner | man fstab, man mount |
| 22:44.54 | abrotman | chjunior: lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 22:45.05 | streuner | a little idea how that work you can see via /msg dpkg vfat+rw |
| 22:45.05 | pinky_ | streuner: fstab is not ideal for this siuation, I don't want it automounting at boot |
| 22:45.12 | chjunior | streuner: 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20) |
| 22:45.30 | abrotman | uh .. i hope there's another line |
| 22:45.32 | chjunior | abrotman: 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20) |
| 22:45.39 | streuner | chjunior: I'am not abrotman :-) |
| 22:45.47 | chjunior | streuner: sorry ;) |
| 22:45.49 | jelly-home | pinky_: add noauto option, man fstab ;-) |
| 22:45.55 | chjunior | abrotman: no other line |
| 22:46.10 | abrotman | yes there is |
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| 22:46.17 | pinky_ | streuner: It's just a one time thing that I want to run this command, and I know it's something very simple you add to the mount command, like "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1(username)" |
| 22:46.29 | abrotman | chjunior: i'm not sure that's an ac97 device |
| 22:46.31 | chjunior | abrotman: # lspci | grep -i audio |
| 22:46.31 | pinky_ | I just want to know what that is... |
| 22:46.31 | chjunior | abrotman: 00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20) |
| 22:47.07 | unseensoul | i'm trying to install the nvidia module through module-assistant. there are nvidia-kernel and nvidia-kernel-legacy. which one do i choose? |
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| 22:47.43 | chjunior | abrotman: http://paste-bin.com/150 |
| 22:48.02 | abrotman | paste the contents of lspci -n |
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| 22:48.59 | pinky_ | I tried "mount -o user /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1" like it said in man mount, but that didn't work. |
| 22:49.07 | chjunior | abrotman: http://paste-bin.com/151 |
| 22:49.38 | abrotman | -n |
| 22:49.40 | abrotman | i wanted -n |
| 22:49.42 | robin_sz | pinky_, and did it say anything when it didnt work ? any helpful error mesage? |
| 22:49.51 | chjunior | sorry:D |
| 22:49.56 | FarrisG | I've got a farm of 30 etch servers that all mount the same /home over nfs. One box however is not mounting it at startup. I can mount it manually without issue, but it's just not being mounted when the box reboots. Any ideas? |
| 22:50.06 | pinky_ | robin_sz: it mounted fine, I just can't write to it as a normal user. |
| 22:50.17 | chjunior | abrotman: http://paste-bin.com/152 |
| 22:50.38 | CHodapp | FarrisG, fstab? |
| 22:50.44 | unseensoul | i'm trying to install the nvidia module through module-assistant. there are nvidia-kernel and nvidia-kernel-legacy. which one do i choose? |
| 22:50.49 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 22:50.50 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 22:51.19 | FarrisG | CHodapp: fstab is fine, identical to others. I double checked that. As I said, it mounts fine with just a "mount /home" after I get a terminal |
| 22:51.26 | robin_sz | pinky_, well, that somes down to the permissions you set on /mnt/sdb1 I guess ... |
| 22:51.27 | abrotman | 10b95455YesALi CorporationM5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Devicesnd-intel8x0,ali5455 |
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| 22:51.29 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 22:51.32 | abrotman | chjunior: ^^ |
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| 22:51.44 | chjunior | abrotman: what? |
| 22:51.48 | abrotman | 10b95455YesALi CorporationM5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Devicesnd-intel8x0,ali5455 |
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| 22:51.56 | chjunior | abrotman: and...? |
| 22:51.59 | abrotman | snd-intel8x0,ali5455 .. those are the drivers you need |
| 22:52.14 | DustyDingo | does anyone knows a good terminal, which rolls out from the top of the screen (like yakuake), or a way to make this work for any terminal? |
| 22:52.14 | chjunior | hum, than I need this ali5455 |
| 22:52.29 | chjunior | abrotman: ? |
| 22:52.34 | CHodapp | FarrisG, could a hackish way, like putting a manual mount later in startup, work? |
| 22:52.38 | abrotman | i htink so |
| 22:52.46 | abrotman | chjunior: beyond that .. i'm started to get stumped |
| 22:52.47 | chjunior | abrotman: where can I find? |
| 22:52.51 | abrotman | chjunior: modconf |
| 22:52.53 | FarrisG | CHodapp: I'm sure it would, but I'd rather not. :) |
| 22:53.00 | DustyDingo | i want something like the console in quake, so that i get a terminal from the top of the screen at a kextroke |
| 22:53.02 | CHodapp | pfffffft |
| 22:53.02 | FarrisG | CHodapp: Does autofs need to be installed? |
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| 22:53.24 | CHodapp | DustyDingo, they've got that, I can't recall the name though... but you just hit tilda for a console |
| 22:53.26 | chjunior | abrotman: and why did the sound work at this morning? |
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| 22:53.56 | abrotman | azeem: you beat me to it |
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| 22:54.05 | Thaur | DustyDingo, why not just use yakuake ? |
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| 22:54.26 | DustyDingo | Thaur: well i can't configure it that good |
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| 22:54.41 | DustyDingo | Thaur: and i don't want to install all kde stuff for that |
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| 22:55.05 | Thaur | DustyDingo, Ah. Tell me if you find what you're looking for, I'm quite interested, also |
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| 22:55.09 | DustyDingo | yakuake is my joice in kde, but in fluxbox i want to use something different |
| 22:55.29 | Wolvez | does anybody knows how I can do virtualhost by user and group |
| 22:55.31 | SerajewelKS | since i did a testing dist-upgrade, GTK apps in KDE don't use antialiased fonts (unless I run gnome-font-properties, then they magically do). is there a workaround for this? |
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| 22:55.36 | chjunior | abrotman: do you think that kernel/sound/pci/ali5451 can works? |
| 22:56.00 | abrotman | chjunior: nfc .. i've never ever used an ALI sound device |
| 22:56.21 | DustyDingo | Thaur: well, i saw a project some days ago, but i can't remeber the name, nor where i found it |
| 22:56.21 | chjunior | abrotman: I'll try.... if doesn't works, where can I find this module? |
| 22:56.25 | quitte | sigh. why does one package work with make prefix=/... install and the next wants PREFIX? I'd like to know which is more sane and why,btw. |
| 22:56.48 | abrotman | chjunior: if this still doesn't work .. ask #alsa |
| 22:57.00 | Thaur | DustyDingo, Ah, I know the feeling. Good luck in finding it, though |
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| 22:57.12 | DustyDingo | Thaur: the best thing would be a tool, which does this rolling out and can wrap any window (so i can use it with aterm) |
| 22:57.13 | quitte | and i think i just found my answer. they also behave differently. |
| 22:57.17 | daxxar | I'm using sa-exim and I can't seem to get it to tag the mail with a header. It should read /etc/spamassassin/local.cf, correct? |
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| 22:57.54 | chjunior | abrotman: thank you :D |
| 22:58.22 | abrotman | chjunior: or ask google .. maybe there's a trick |
| 22:58.33 | Thaur | DustyDingo, shauly it woulden't be that hard to write, would it? |
| 22:59.00 | DustyDingo | Thaur: no |
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| 22:59.22 | chjunior | abrotman: google said me this morning to do "modproble snd_intel8x0 buggy_semaphore=1; alsaconf", it worked before a reboot |
| 22:59.27 | chjunior | :( |
| 22:59.30 | Thaur | DustyDingo, Ha, nice and direct. |
| 23:00.07 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:00.10 | abrotman | weird |
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| 23:02.50 | ph00 | join #freenet |
| 23:03.11 | abrotman | ph00: you said no more spamming! |
| 23:04.08 | ph00 | Sorry I really didn't mean to this time, I didn't type / before join, it was a mistake, not real spamming |
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| 23:07.07 | SerajewelKS | grr |
| 23:07.11 | SerajewelKS | subwoofer has a short =/ |
| 23:07.38 | SerajewelKS | that'll ruin your day |
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| 23:08.54 | abrotman | if the subwoofer in SerajewelKS's place has a short .. and he's not home .. does it make a noise? |
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| 23:10.50 | Alam_Debian | chjunior, had you tried in /etc/modutiles, made a find called "sounds" and put in "options snd_intel8x0 buggy_semaphore=1" |
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| 23:11.07 | quitte | abrotman: i guess you're talking about an active woofer? |
| 23:11.18 | abrotman | quitte: it was a joke .. settle down |
| 23:11.30 | quitte | im just a little bored |
| 23:11.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's not making a noise right now, so that would be no =( |
| 23:11.44 | abrotman | quitte: fix chjunior's sound |
| 23:12.39 | chjunior | Alam_Debian: I think that in debian /etc/modutiles is splited /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 23:13.01 | abrotman | /etc/modutils/ |
| 23:13.57 | Alam_Debian | I have a /etc/modutiles/sound so I can set order of my 3 sound cards, using option snd_* index=# |
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| 23:15.40 | Alam_Debian | or was it /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 23:16.51 | chjunior | well, there isn't a /etc/modutiles/sound, but there is a /etc/modutiles/alsa-base |
| 23:17.25 | Alam_Debian | make one |
| 23:17.36 | intx | what's a lightweight fax server? |
| 23:17.47 | abrotman | apt-cache search fax server |
| 23:17.51 | abrotman | i only know of hylafax |
| 23:17.55 | chjunior | Alam_Debian: and what do I put there exactly? |
| 23:18.16 | Alam_Debian | "options snd_intel8x0 buggy_semaphore=1" |
| 23:18.56 | chjunior | Alam_Debian: ok, done, and now? |
| 23:19.36 | Alam_Debian | run "update-modules" |
| 23:20.14 | chjunior | Alam_Debian: done |
| 23:20.26 | chjunior | Alam_Debian: alsaconf? |
| 23:20.58 | FarrisG | Which log would I check to see if there's any errors on any of my /etc/fstab mounts at boot time? |
| 23:22.30 | chjunior | Alam_Debian: ? if is alsaconf, doesn't worked =/ |
| 23:22.44 | Alam_Debian | no |
| 23:22.45 | abrotman | ask #alsa |
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| 23:23.16 | DustyDingo | FarrisG: dmesg, probably |
| 23:23.35 | flixil | I'll gonna bed, see u pple |
| 23:23.58 | flixil | bye azeem :) |
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| 23:25.09 | chjunior | abrotman: I did, nobody answered |
| 23:25.15 | abrotman | wait |
| 23:25.26 | chjunior | Alam_Debian: some suggestion? |
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| 23:27.59 | nxtw | hi, how do i build just one package using dpkg-buildpackage from a src archive that has more than one package defined? |
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| 23:32.36 | azeem | nxtw: you cannot |
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| 23:33.14 | dondelelcaro | nxtw: there's really no reason to only build one anyway, because (in most cases) most of the time is spent building the binaries that go into the packages, not the packages themselves. |
| 23:33.35 | nxtw | i don't want to install the gtk dependencies for the gui for this program. |
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| 23:33.52 | dondelelcaro | nxtw: you don't need to install all of the packages |
| 23:34.00 | nxtw | i am recompiling because i need a patch though |
| 23:34.13 | dondelelcaro | nxtw: you just need to install the build dependencies; if you don't want to install them on your machine, use pbuilder or similar so they get installed, then removed. |
| 23:34.39 | dondelelcaro | (alternatively, fix the configure calls so they don't use those libraries and manually disable the packages you don't want built) |
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| 23:35.39 | nxtw | thanks |
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| 23:36.14 | ph00 | I hope you mean soda... |
| 23:37.52 | DustyDingo | how can i display only installed packages with apt-cache search foobar? |
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| 23:38.39 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: you can't; you want to use aptitude search instead if that's what you want (or grep-dctrl) |
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| 23:39.57 | DustyDingo | well aptitude is no alternative |
| 23:40.14 | yonkeltron | i have a server running sarge, i'd like it to run etch. if change mentions in sources.list from sarge to etch, can I safely do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:41.06 | smo_ | hi |
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| 23:41.19 | abrotman | !tell yonkeltron about sarge->etch |
| 23:41.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | Hello kind, instructive peoples of the debian channel! What be the command for renaming directories? |
| 23:42.03 | smo_ | is it possible to create a live cd of a fresh debian hdd install? |
| 23:42.24 | yonkeltron | abrotman: thanks mate. |
| 23:42.25 | dondelelcaro | smo_: yes, but not in an automated fashion. |
| 23:42.52 | abrotman | yonkeltron: you're welcome .. now if only i could remember what i wanted to ask you a few weeks ago :) |
| 23:42.53 | yonkeltron | abrotman: it's that simple? |
| 23:42.59 | smo_ | np i customized it all and installed all i need now i want to make a live cd or live dvd .... |
| 23:43.00 | yonkeltron | abrotman: sorry man. been away. |
| 23:43.15 | abrotman | yonkeltron: the idea is that simple .. practice may not be :) |
| 23:43.28 | abrotman | yonkeltron: it's ok .. i think it was something religion related .. damned if i can remember what |
| 23:43.40 | yonkeltron | abrotman: ah. i'd rather download the new d-i image and give it a shot |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | yonkeltron: you can do that too |
| 23:44.01 | smo_ | what can i sue to do it dondelelcaro |
| 23:44.05 | smo_ | use* |
| 23:44.15 | abrotman | oh .. sue him! |
| 23:44.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | :( |
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| 23:44.43 | yonkeltron | abrotman: ah. religion eh? |
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| 23:45.02 | dondelelcaro | smo_: you'll have to do it manually; you'll need to create the cloopfs; make sure that you've got a kernel with cloop.ko and unionfs.ko, then write an initrd or steal one which will mount the cd/dvd using cloop, then put a unionfs over the top of it, then continue booting normally. |
| 23:45.34 | smo_ | i see |
| 23:45.40 | abrotman | yonkeltron: might have been a public passover in philly area |
| 23:45.45 | chjunior | yonkeltron: I do you wants to ru etch? |
| 23:45.51 | yonkeltron | abrotman: ah. |
| 23:45.54 | smo_ | i ll look for cloopfs don t know this one yet |
| 23:45.55 | yonkeltron | chjunior: what? |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i couldn't find any |
| 23:46.06 | smo_ | thanks |
| 23:46.11 | dondelelcaro | smo_: that's what knoppix uses; good luck! |
| 23:46.21 | smo_ | thanks :) |
| 23:46.30 | chjunior | yonkeltron: I do you wants to run etch? |
| 23:46.59 | yonkeltron | abrotman: ah. |
| 23:47.07 | yonkeltron | chjunior: i want to run etch. yes. |
| 23:47.10 | predder | I'm just setting up mysql from a binary tar, when adding a mysql user should I give the groupadd/adduser the --system argument? |
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| 23:47.17 | chjunior | yonkeltron: but why? |
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| 23:47.22 | bulio| | Should Debian recognize a samsung tape drive? |
| 23:47.28 | yonkeltron | chjunior: newer versions and i like to mess around |
| 23:47.37 | bulio| | *seagate |
| 23:47.40 | yonkeltron | abrotman: isn't etch due to be stable in a few months anyway? |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | bulio|: need a bit more info .. but most likely |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | !tell yonkeltron about wwer |
| 23:48.07 | chjunior | yonkeltron: hummm.... well, I use etch, but the next time that I install debian, I'll use sarge with backports.....(www.backports.org) |
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| 23:48.45 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | what file format would be equivalent to a batch file? |
| 23:48.48 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | for linux |
| 23:49.02 | jelly-home | shell script |
| 23:49.02 | abrotman | a shell script |
| 23:49.07 | FarrisG | is there anything similar to rsync that will sync/mirror files from an ftp site/path? |
| 23:49.46 | r121 | what are the symptoms of an insufficient power supply? |
| 23:50.04 | bulio| | The drive is a Seagate tapestor drive |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | bulio|: nothing in dmesg ? |
| 23:50.16 | jelly-home | FarrisG: various ftp clients can mirror a whole subdirectory. lftp comes to mind. |
| 23:50.27 | yonkeltron | screw etch then. i'll wait till it stabilizes more |
| 23:50.33 | bulio| | abrotman: Installing debian right now |
| 23:50.41 | bulio| | would like to know beforehand |
| 23:50.49 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i use it every day on my laptop |
| 23:50.56 | bulio| | it was detected in red hat 4.3 |
| 23:51.03 | yonkeltron | abrotman: package problems? |
| 23:51.14 | abrotman | not for me! |
| 23:51.19 | yonkeltron | hmmmm |
| 23:51.53 | jelly-home | yonkeltron: xorg transition might still be a bit unpolished. |
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| 23:52.22 | yonkeltron | it's for a home server |
| 23:52.47 | jelly-home | yonkeltron: do you require anything from etch? |
| 23:52.52 | yonkeltron | i tunnel to it while i'm away at school |
| 23:53.02 | yonkeltron | jelly-home: newer irssi, better unicode support |
| 23:53.09 | yonkeltron | nothing specifically right now |
| 23:53.11 | jelly-home | on a server? |
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| 23:53.14 | nxtw | how does XFS reliability compare to JFS? |
| 23:53.28 | bulio| | is there any danger in running Irssi on a production webserver?\ |
| 23:53.32 | bulio| | I assume so |
| 23:53.35 | yonkeltron | nxtw: dunno about jfs but i know about how i like it compared to ext3 |
| 23:53.43 | nxtw | hrm |
| 23:53.43 | yonkeltron | bulio|: it's not production |
| 23:53.54 | bulio| | no, I'm asking a qurestion =P |
| 23:53.54 | nxtw | i've used XFS and was disappointed about how it recovered from a corrupted disk |
| 23:53.59 | bulio| | I'd like to run it on my server |
| 23:54.02 | yonkeltron | bulio|: oh. maybe not.... |
| 23:54.07 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 23:54.07 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 23:54.10 | yonkeltron | bulio|: i think that dreamhost has it installed |
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| 23:54.30 | nxtw | abrotman: yeah but those are all facts, no heart |
| 23:54.32 | bulio| | our IT guy installed RHEL 4.3 on our production machine |
| 23:54.34 | bulio| | was crap |
| 23:54.45 | abrotman | nxtw: oh yeah .. facts suck .. i forgot |
| 23:54.56 | yonkeltron | bulio|: nvm. no irssi |
| 23:55.09 | nxtw | yonkeltron: have you ever dealt with a failure/corruption? |
| 23:55.16 | jelly-home | bulio|: what is .3 part in rhel 4.3? update3? |
| 23:55.27 | yonkeltron | nxtw: on ext3, yes. never on xfs |
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| 23:56.30 | jelly-home | yonkeltron: For a machine with least amount of tinkering, I'd use stable, maybe backport the irc client if you run it locally. |
| 23:57.14 | yonkeltron | jelly-home: no real need for it. i can put up with minor annoyances really.... |
| 23:57.27 | yonkeltron | jelly-home: i do need this machine to be working though |
| 23:57.31 | bulio| | jelly-home: yeah |
| 23:57.37 | bulio| | our IT guy subscribed to it |
| 23:57.53 | bulio| | junk for how much we pay |
| 23:58.25 | jelly-home | bulio|: we're transferring some servers to rhel soonish, no support contract for hw on Debian. |
| 23:58.43 | bulio| | this machine takes 7 minutes to boot RHEL for some odd reason |
| 23:59.03 | bulio| | 1.6GHZ p4 |
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| 23:59.05 | bulio| | 256mb ram |
| 23:59.18 | jelly-home | sounds like a default installation with lots of junk getting started. |
| 23:59.24 | nxtw | at lesat your machine doesn't take 5 minutes before the bios actually boots a drive |
| 23:59.26 | abrotman | it has a GUI installer! |
| 23:59.28 | yonkeltron | hahaha |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | oh wait . .etch will too |
| 23:59.32 | yonkeltron | abrotman: so do we |
| 23:59.34 | bulio| | he did a default install |
| 23:59.36 | abrotman | grrr |
| 23:59.40 | bulio| | nxtw: my home pc does |
| 23:59.43 | odla | etch has a gui installer now |
| 23:59.50 | yonkeltron | jelly-home: i would like an encrypted partition though |
| 23:59.58 | bulio| | net install for debian takes 20 mins |
