| 00:00.03 | bulio| | does everything I want, and more |
| 00:00.05 | yonkeltron | bulio|: exactly. |
| 00:00.06 | jelly-home | yonkeltron: can't help you there, sorry |
| 00:00.12 | yonkeltron | jelly-home: no worries |
| 00:00.20 | bulio| | so tomorrow I'm telling the tech my story |
| 00:00.22 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I'm trying to figure out how to divide up my hard drive... I want one space with a max amount, but still want to keep all partitions, which ones can I shrink (server machine)? |
| 00:00.33 | bulio| | Our 5 servers and one mainframe all use windows 2003 server |
| 00:00.38 | bulio| | he doesn't know much about linux |
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| 00:00.54 | bulio| | 10,000$ + worth of equipment in our server room |
| 00:00.57 | bulio| | running windows :S |
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| 00:01.22 | bulio| | I dunno what RHEL does that debian doesn't |
| 00:01.25 | bulio| | except support |
| 00:01.27 | yonkeltron | i am also assuming that there are no rails packages in sarge....grr |
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| 00:01.34 | bulio| | which I don't use |
| 00:02.00 | odla | who needs RHEL support when you have #debian and abrotman |
| 00:02.02 | bulio| | I have a seagate tape drive |
| 00:02.11 | bulio| | what program can use it? |
| 00:02.22 | bulio| | preferrably a console based util |
| 00:02.34 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | would installing linux to a single partition decrease it's performance? |
| 00:02.41 | neozerosv | 3 |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | bulio|: numerous |
| 00:02.56 | abrotman | Silent_Chaos[CAN: not really |
| 00:03.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | what would swap be? |
| 00:03.26 | epsilon | Silent_Chaos[CAN: no, it may increase in desktp environment |
| 00:03.32 | bulio| | abrotman: I need something easy, that supports formatting the drive |
| 00:03.33 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it's a server machine |
| 00:03.40 | bulio| | Then I'll run it in a cronjob |
| 00:03.41 | epsilon | many IO? |
| 00:04.02 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | lots of processing/mem/eth usage |
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| 00:04.10 | odla | what's a decent light weight bittorrent client? not bittornado or bittorrent either |
| 00:04.12 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | quite a bit of hdd access |
| 00:04.15 | epsilon | take RAID5+ |
| 00:04.18 | nxtw | odla: rtorrent. |
| 00:04.33 | ry1 | can wlan-ng and madwifi coexist peacefully? |
| 00:04.55 | nxtw | odla: actually, i've had better experience using utorrent in wine than using any python-based client |
| 00:05.11 | odla | i like transmission but it's not packaged on debian |
| 00:05.18 | odla | it's super fast cause it's written in C |
| 00:05.35 | ry1 | odla: you can't compile it from source? |
| 00:05.35 | nxtw | rtorrent is in etch. |
| 00:05.39 | odla | yeah i can |
| 00:05.40 | nxtw | probably in sarge too. |
| 00:05.46 | odla | it's easy enough to compile |
| 00:05.54 | nxtw | c++, it seems. based on "libtorrent" |
| 00:06.01 | nxtw | it's definitely non-python. |
| 00:06.12 | ry1 | is it command line? or do you need a graphical desktop? |
| 00:06.21 | odla | nxtw: so rtorrent is pretty light on your resources? |
| 00:06.23 | nxtw | rtorrent has a curses based interfce. |
| 00:06.23 | nxtw | yeah. |
| 00:06.29 | nxtw | i don't use it anymore |
| 00:06.29 | ry1 | wow, nice |
| 00:06.35 | nxtw | but it worked pretty well when i did |
| 00:06.38 | odla | ry1: it can have a gtk interace |
| 00:06.40 | jade | according to iostat, my ide hdd is at 100% utilization, but i only see two small processes accessing it. is there a way to find out what /dev/hdc1 is doing? |
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| 00:07.38 | odla | the sun java package has trickled down to etch yet has it? |
| 00:07.40 | bulio| | on another note, /etc/ssh/sshd_config is where I can change the SSH port, right? |
| 00:07.46 | nxtw | yonkeltron: do you use raid5? |
| 00:07.47 | abrotman | odla: no |
| 00:07.54 | SNow | you had a Deal with quagga ? |
| 00:08.03 | Xenguy | bulio|: yes |
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| 00:08.19 | ph00 | odla I run µtorrent via wine and I'm happy with that |
| 00:08.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:08.27 | Dorfl | Hello! I was hoping someone could recommend a console program for use with gmail and gtalk please. |
| 00:08.47 | ph00 | I used to run qtorrent and that was good too |
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| 00:10.23 | abrotman | Dorfl: centericq for gtalk .. maybe |
| 00:10.24 | ry1 | odla: have you ever heard of a completely command line bt package? rtorrent doesn't work with my screen reader :) |
| 00:10.24 | ph00 | what's gtalk? a google instant messenger? |
| 00:10.24 | Dorfl | abrotman: I am looking at freetalk, but if that fails I'll check out centericq for sure. Any idea how to check gmail from the command line? I don't need to write from it necessarily. |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | ph00: yes |
| 00:26.49 | yonkeltron | nxtw: no. |
| 00:26.49 | yonkeltron | nxtw: if you do though, look at ZFS |
| 00:26.49 | ph00 | ...like we hadn't enough instant messengers... |
| 00:26.49 | ph00 | OK |
| 00:26.49 | odla | ry1: no |
| 00:26.49 | abrotman | Dorfl: eh .. fetchmail is all i can think of .. i'm not sure how others do it |
| 00:26.50 | nxtw | yonkeltron: which iw as about to use but it doesn't have functional encryption |
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| 00:26.50 | ry1 | odla: okay, thanks |
| 00:26.50 | odla | but i'm sure there's one out there |
| 00:26.50 | Dorfl | abrotman: I am unfamiliar with fetchmail, but I will look into it. Thank you. |
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| 00:26.50 | nxtw | if i was daring i'd set up xen and do encryption in linux and then zfs in a domu |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | yonkeltron: it's not exactly stable yet |
| 00:26.51 | ry1 | odla: probably |
| 00:26.51 | yonkeltron | nxtw: what? ZFS? |
| 00:26.51 | nxtw | yeah |
| 00:26.51 | yonkeltron | abrotman: it is on slowlaris....grrr |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | Dorfl: or wait around a bit .. ask again in a while .. see if you get a different answer |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | !gmail |
| 00:26.52 | SNow | how could I understand a packets called in and out is it upload and download? |
| 00:26.52 | dpkg | methinks gmail is a web mail service from Google that is _still_ not supported by Konqueror.... http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | yonkeltron: yes .. on solaris .. not linux :) |
| 00:26.52 | Dorfl | abrotman: Sounds like a plan :) |
| 00:26.53 | nxtw | i asked about zfs encryption on the opensolaris channel and they said you can write, but can't read |
| 00:26.53 | abrotman | !gmailfs |
| 00:26.53 | dpkg | [gmailfs] a hack to let your gmail account be mounted as a local filesystem, http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html, or http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/002476.html |
| 00:26.53 | ph00 | "gmail is a web mail service from Google that is _still_ not supported by Konqueror"?!? |
| 00:26.53 | odla | ph00: it's true |
| 00:26.53 | yonkeltron | nxtw: ah. |
| 00:26.54 | nxtw | i figure any performance gains gained by zfs over linux md raid5 would be lost by having to run it in xen and doing encryption on the host and zfs in the guest |
| 00:26.54 | yonkeltron | nxtw: regardless, the whole zpool thing is crazy cool. |
| 00:26.55 | nxtw | yeah |
| 00:26.55 | yonkeltron | who doesn't want to make raid with a bunch of disks laying around? |
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| 00:26.56 | ph00 | so I guess that !gmail thing was out of date |
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| 00:26.56 | abrotman | or it has gmailfs built in |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | which knowing kde krap is likely |
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| 00:26.57 | pstickne | how can I disable other virtual consoles, eg: ctrl+alt+f8? |
| 00:26.57 | dabreegster | pstickne: /etc/inittab |
| 00:26.57 | pstickne | der, thanks :) |
| 00:26.57 | ph00 | well, it's not *fully* supported anyway: the message was recieved, but I also got a failure notification, as it hadn't. I guess the best thing is *not* usnig konqueror for gmail |
| 00:26.58 | pstickne | dabreegster, actually, it's more how to stop the ctl+alt+f1 key from sending me to a blank screen. I only have consoles 1-6 setup. |
| 00:26.58 | dabreegster | pstickne: So set up one for 8? |
| 00:26.58 | pstickne | dabreegster, I don't want one for 8 :( |
| 00:26.58 | dabreegster | pstickne: You won't it to do nothing? |
| 00:26.58 | pstickne | dabreegster, right. |
| 00:26.58 | some1 | how do you tar a folder again |
| 00:26.58 | pstickne | dabreegster, or rather, not take me out of x and put me in black screen. |
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| 00:26.59 | some1 | nvm |
| 00:26.59 | dabreegster | pstickne: Hmm. I think you'd have to modify both the console keymap and the X keymap (or maybe just the latter for your purposes) to make the control + alt modifiers of the f8 key be null or whatever |
| 00:26.59 | bulio| | what tape drive software should I use? |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | that's up to you |
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| 00:27.00 | Xenguy | bulio|: you mean for backups? |
| 00:27.00 | bulio| | I need something easy to use |
| 00:27.00 | bulio| | Xenguy: ep |
| 00:27.00 | bulio| | *yep |
| 00:27.00 | Xenguy | bulio|: amanda has been around for awhile; bacula is another option (tho check to make sure it does tape) |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | dump/restore ? |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | tar ? |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | mt |
| 00:27.01 | bulio| | which one is easiest, and how do I do it? |
| 00:27.01 | bulio| | (The commands) |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | try them all .. read the docs |
| 00:27.02 | simonrvn | i assume that Toruser luser was removed |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | yeah |
| 00:27.02 | simonrvn | lame-ass ... |
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| 00:27.02 | simonrvn | well, anyway, hi abrotman :) |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | hi simonrvn |
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| 00:27.03 | simonrvn | hi to everyone else too (no, i don't expect 445 hi's ;) |
| 00:27.03 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:27.03 | simonrvn | your other shell host? |
| 00:27.14 | abrotman | it disappeared a few days ago .. and i don't have admin responsibilities for it |
| 00:27.23 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 00:28.05 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's where my photos are! |
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| 00:28.16 | simonrvn | oh crap :( |
| 00:28.17 | LinuxHelp | er, how do I check what session my user is logged in to (gnome or kde)? |
| 00:28.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: pretty much |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: you can't tell? |
| 00:28.47 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, funny |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: right click on a panel .. is there an "About panels" |
| 00:29.11 | LinuxHelp | I mean, from a console, for a script say |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: i'm not trying to be funny .. they usually look pretty different |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | oh .. grep gnome-session i would think |
| 00:29.41 | simonrvn | shoulda said so :) |
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| 00:30.14 | simonrvn | yeh, check for startkde or gnome-session |
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| 00:30.50 | simonrvn | there's probably 'cooler' and slicker ways to do it .. heh |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | oh .. we should ask a perl developer! |
| 00:31.14 | m1ke_l | there a 64bit debian irc? |
| 00:31.14 | LinuxHelp | where exactly, would gnome-session be located? |
| 00:31.35 | simonrvn | in the process table |
| 00:31.36 | abrotman | ps aux | grep gnome-session |
| 00:31.38 | m1ke_l | /usr/bin/ |
| 00:31.43 | m1ke_l | which gnome-session |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | !tell m1ke_l about amd64 |
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| 00:32.21 | m1ke_l | thanks |
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| 00:33.10 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, um doesnt ps aux list ALL users processes? |
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| 00:33.26 | simonrvn | which is why you're using grep |
| 00:33.40 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, what if, there are TWO people logged in |
| 00:33.53 | abrotman | OMG .. GREP filters stuff!@??!?! |
| 00:34.02 | simonrvn | then check which vt x is on |
| 00:34.13 | abrotman | ps ux if you're that lazy .. |
| 00:34.19 | simonrvn | default in debian is vt7, then goes up from there |
| 00:34.21 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 00:34.33 | LinuxHelp | trust a linux user to go the hard way |
| 00:34.34 | bulio| | abrotman: how do I list the contents of a tape? |
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| 00:34.38 | bulio| | with tar |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | bulio|: read the man page |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | for tar |
| 00:35.09 | bulio| | tar tf /dev/st0 |
| 00:35.26 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: you're the one being lazy |
| 00:35.32 | struct | abrotman: howdy |
| 00:35.35 | bulio| | I get: Error with sense data: current st09:00: sense key Illegal request |
| 00:35.43 | abrotman | struct: your nick sucks |
| 00:35.45 | struct | abrotman: no one is lazier then me |
| 00:35.47 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, yeah, and proud of it |
| 00:35.47 | bulio| | Additional sense indicates invalid operation code |
| 00:36.01 | struct | abrotman: and everyone from PA of course |
| 00:36.05 | simonrvn | keep reading |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: then please don't tell us we're doing it the hard way |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | struct: you don't even work! |
| 00:36.35 | bulio| | abrotman: you get that> |
| 00:36.36 | struct | well I got to go |
| 00:36.42 | struct | all this typing is too much work |
| 00:36.44 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, er .. k then |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | bulio|: i've never seen that |
| 00:37.15 | simonrvn | LinuxHelp: that isn't hard - try nested $() |
| 00:37.26 | bulio| | abrotman: what command do you use? |
| 00:37.27 | karsten | abrotman: don't tell anyone that less is more! |
| 00:37.38 | simonrvn | (that's not hard either ;) |
| 00:37.40 | struct | but less IS more |
| 00:37.50 | karsten | struct: ssh! |
| 00:37.54 | simonrvn | less is more than more, more or less |
| 00:38.04 | Xenguy | I thought less is more than more (more or less) |
| 00:38.13 | simonrvn | it is |
| 00:38.13 | karsten | simonrvn: less is more but most is best. |
| 00:38.26 | simonrvn | most is less than less |
| 00:38.38 | magyar | how can i tell initramfs to load ahci before usb_storage? |
| 00:38.38 | Xenguy | heh |
| 00:38.53 | simonrvn | but it's certainly more than more, much more |
| 00:39.02 | abrotman | apt-cache search backup |
| 00:39.06 | LinuxHelp | Linux: where less, isn't more |
| 00:39.22 | abrotman | dumbass |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | you totally missed the joke |
| 00:39.32 | struct | where is a dumbass? |
| 00:39.53 | simonrvn | i haven't one ass that was smart, except for smartasses |
| 00:40.16 | struct | hehe |
| 00:41.06 | struct | abrotman: do you have one foot in #debian/freenode and the other in #debian/oftc? |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | struct: i don't do much on oftc |
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| 00:41.25 | struct | true |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | i think they prefer it that way! |
| 00:42.07 | struct | why? |
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| 00:44.18 | magyar | is there a way to tell initramfs to load ahci before usb_storage? |
| 00:44.33 | struct | magyar: maybe if you ask one more time |
| 00:44.58 | bulio| | how do I restart mysql? |
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| 00:45.11 | struct | /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | are you sure you don't want to use RH ? |
| 00:45.35 | struct | I smell a dead rat |
| 00:45.37 | bulio| | me? |
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| 00:45.54 | struct | hhmmmm |
| 00:46.03 | LinuxHelp | I've always wondered, why do people actually use RH? |
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| 00:46.06 | struct | that sounds a lot like red hat |
| 00:46.09 | struct | dead rat |
| 00:46.12 | struct | red hat |
| 00:46.28 | bulio| | the IT guy installede it |
| 00:46.33 | bulio| | took 5 mins to boot on this machine |
| 00:46.51 | bulio| | debian takes 1 |
| 00:47.00 | bulio| | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.11 | dvs | bulio|: you must have a fast computer |
| 00:47.17 | abrotman | !tell bulio| about grounding |
| 00:47.39 | bulio| | 1.6ghz p4 256mb ram |
| 00:47.47 | LinuxHelp | imo, Debian Stable = for servers, Debian Testing = for desktops, and I dont see where any other distros fit in. |
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| 00:48.05 | dvs | LinuxHelp: debian unstable = developers? |
| 00:48.14 | deadcat | no |
| 00:48.19 | dvs | no? |
| 00:48.19 | LinuxHelp | dvs, never used it |
| 00:48.24 | struct | sid for desktops |
| 00:48.25 | LinuxHelp | and I'm a dev so |
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| 00:48.34 | dvs | struct: not my desktop |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: you're a debian developer? |
| 00:48.39 | struct | ppffttt |
| 00:48.52 | struct | sid is a lovely distrobution |
| 00:48.57 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, no, I'm nothing to do with debian |
| 00:49.02 | struct | unless you're scared |
| 00:49.02 | dvs | struct: when it works |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: then unstable isn't for you |
| 00:49.16 | struct | dvs: works for me for almost 5 years |
| 00:49.22 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, I use testing which I find quite stable actually |
| 00:49.35 | Thaur | wait, i thought testing was for devs, and unstable was for desktops |
| 00:49.37 | dvs | struct: it's not about being brave. It's about wanting something that works almost flawlessly |
| 00:49.41 | struct | dvs: but stick to etch if you dont know how to fix something that breaks in sid |
| 00:49.49 | struct | dvs: ok |
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| 00:51.51 | struct | sure got quiet in here |
| 00:51.52 | LinuxHelp | I'm sorry, but I have to say this: "1 1 was a racing horse, 2 2 was 1 2, 1 1 1 1 race, 2 2 1 1 2" |
| 00:51.59 | ry1 | huh? |
| 00:52.10 | deadcat | wah the fuck. dude you on crack? |
| 00:52.12 | struct | LinuxHelp: crack kills |
| 00:52.28 | Guerin | what about that makes you think he was on crack? |
| 00:52.33 | Guerin | sounds quite calm to me |
| 00:52.42 | struct | Guerin: are you his dealer? |
| 00:52.54 | Guerin | if he'd thrown some 7s and some swear words you might have an argument |
| 00:52.58 | Guerin | not currently |
| 00:53.06 | ry1 | say, does anyone know if madwifi and wlan-ng can coexist? I have two seperate wifi cards and want to be able to use both on the same machine |
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| 00:53.44 | deadcat | ry1: yes. diff network for each. |
| 00:53.51 | LinuxHelp | and for those that didnt get it: "One-one was a racing horse, Two-two was one too. Two-two won one race, One-one won one two. |
| 00:53.51 | epsilon | a dependency qusetion: I have self compiled proftpd running on my server. Now a package has proftpd as dependency, how can I install this package without proftpd-package being installed? |
| 00:53.53 | LinuxHelp | *too |
| 00:54.06 | struct | 01010111 01100101 00100000 01110011 01101000 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100001 01101011 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00101110 |
| 00:54.15 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: we know, but don't care |
| 00:54.20 | deadcat | LinuxHelp: we dont bet on horses |
| 00:54.25 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 00:54.37 | LinuxHelp | k, I thought it was pretty neat though |
| 00:54.37 | ry1 | please stop with the fricking binary code, it's playing hell with my screen reader |
| 00:54.38 | struct | or smoke crack |
| 00:54.45 | struct | hehe |
| 00:55.08 | dvs | where's stoned? |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | one guess |
| 00:55.19 | deadcat | hahah |
| 00:55.23 | ry1 | deadcat: okay, thanks, so I can compile them both into my kernel and load one or another modularly with no problem? |
| 00:55.26 | struct | buying a nickle bag? |
| 00:55.27 | dvs | Gone to Dell! |
| 00:55.32 | deadcat | ry1: true |
| 00:55.34 | ry1 | nickle bag, how 80s :) |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | dvs: though .. lunitik is missing too .... hrm |
| 00:55.43 | ry1 | deadcat: thanks |
| 00:55.53 | Guerin | omggaystonerl000ve |
| 00:56.02 | struct | ry1: well we all cant afford quarter pounds now can we? |
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| 00:56.29 | ry1 | struct: now adays, we call nickle bags dimes because they traditionally cost ten bucks |
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| 00:56.58 | struct | ry1: well here in the land of the living you can still buy nickle bags for 5 bucks |
| 00:57.14 | ry1 | struct: true, but we all know canada has the best weed :) |
| 00:57.16 | struct | ry1: thats 5 grams by the way |
| 00:57.20 | ry1 | ah |
| 00:57.22 | epsilon | any suggestion on my question? |
| 00:57.31 | ry1 | so we have different terminology, sorry about that, my bad |
| 00:57.34 | abrotman | epsilon: join in on the pot talk? :) |
| 00:57.37 | Guerin | all you nickel and dime rhymers |
| 00:57.40 | struct | ry1: probably lots of jamaicans who think canadian weed came out of their ass |
| 00:57.50 | struct | ry1: not to mention other islanders |
| 00:57.52 | ry1 | struct: wouldn't doubt it for a second |
| 00:57.58 | struct | ry1: any weed you have to grow under a lamp is crap |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | !tell epsilon about equivs |
| 00:58.03 | Guerin | the best weed I ever had was in cambodia |
| 00:58.18 | Guerin | and cheap, too - $4 an ounce was the most expensive |
| 00:58.22 | struct | nothing like climbing a big old tree and picking a nice bud |
| 00:58.24 | ry1 | struct: in canada we have alot of land, we don't need lamps alot of the time accept for in winter :) |
| 00:58.33 | struct | ry1: my point exactly |
| 00:58.34 | Xenguy | .oO (why does the word 'hypnotic' come to mind?) |
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| 00:58.42 | struct | ry1: plus you dont get good sun up there |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | ry1: now we know the real cause of global warming ;) |
| 00:58.51 | ry1 | abrotman :) |
| 00:58.59 | ry1 | struct: true enough |
| 00:59.13 | ry1 | but still, british columbia gets enough sun to turn out some good crops |
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| 00:59.29 | struct | ry1: sounds like you are an authority on the subject |
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| 00:59.35 | epsilon | abrotman: thx, 'll try it |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 00:59.41 | ry1 | struct: I used to be, the glocomma you know :) |
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| 00:59.48 | abrotman | someone fix my shell host! |
| 00:59.54 | Guerin | is that like a bright yellow , |
| 00:59.56 | Guerin | > |
| 01:00.06 | Guerin | a glocomma, i mean |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:00.17 | struct | Guerin: 4$ an ounce is very good |
| 01:00.24 | ry1 | yeah, very very good |
| 01:00.26 | struct | Guerin: 50$ an ounce here |
| 01:00.28 | Guerin | struct: you don't need to tell me |
| 01:00.33 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | 50 is still good |
| 01:00.42 | struct | best you ever smoked too |
| 01:00.48 | LinuxHelp | whats the binary that returns the number of lines passed to it through stdin? |
| 01:00.50 | struct | we calls it red ants |
| 01:00.52 | Guerin | struct: the best price I got was $5 for about three ounces of bush |
| 01:00.57 | ry1 | struct: why is it that your IP appears in your whois? :) |
| 01:01.04 | struct | cause the red ants crawl all over it and it has red clusters all over it |
| 01:01.04 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | here an ounce can be 200 |
| 01:01.12 | struct | ry1: cause I dont hide it |
| 01:01.19 | ry1 | silent: here too |
| 01:01.21 | abrotman | because it has no dns record ? |
| 01:01.26 | struct | that too |
| 01:01.31 | ry1 | heh |
| 01:01.43 | Guerin | mine used to have a rdns record |
| 01:01.52 | Guerin | hm, maybe this host changed ips, I bet that's it |
| 01:02.09 | struct | we dont use dns here |
| 01:02.14 | struct | not for all ips that is |
| 01:02.25 | ry1 | struct: where is here out of curiosity? |
| 01:02.35 | struct | ry1: bahamas mon |
| 01:02.40 | ry1 | ah, awsome |
| 01:03.08 | struct | just a hop skip and a jump from haiti/dominican, cuba, and our brothers over there in jamaica |
| 01:03.16 | ry1 | you're lucky to be getting the nice weather, it's about 50 degrees f outside now |
| 01:03.19 | ry1 | here |
| 01:03.30 | struct | nice weather? |
| 01:03.34 | struct | its summer |
| 01:03.37 | ry1 | where you are |
| 01:03.38 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:03.41 | struct | nice weather here is winter time |
| 01:03.45 | struct | its too hot now |
| 01:04.02 | ry1 | true enough, I don't know the true meaning of the word "hot" |
| 01:04.03 | struct | thats why we run debian on our systems |
| 01:04.07 | ry1 | :) |
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| 01:04.10 | struct | debian dont mind the heat |
| 01:04.17 | struct | she just keeps on going |
| 01:05.00 | struct | keeping up with there kernel revisions is hard work |
| 01:05.15 | ry1 | struct: especially when you compile them all yourself as I do :) |
| 01:05.31 | struct | ry1: yes |
| 01:05.38 | ry1 | on a p3 600 mhz |
| 01:05.41 | struct | ry1: when my program is finished I wont have to anymore |
| 01:05.53 | struct | ry1: ill just do one command and viola |
| 01:06.12 | ry1 | voillá you mean? :) |
| 01:06.19 | struct | ry1: sure if you say so |
| 01:06.24 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:06.24 | abrotman | one l |
| 01:06.35 | ry1 | erg... did I put two? |
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| 01:06.50 | runa | hey :) I've an old laptop I want to use as a media terminal (playing mp3 and hopefuly video, using resources from my main box). The network card is pcmcia so I guess I cannot make it a diskless client. So, my plan was: make it boot from the HD, start a Xorg client to the main server and run esound on the client. Also I thought about disabling swap and cron jobs to avoid HD usage in the laptop. any hints? |
| 01:06.50 | abrotman | eh .. yes |
| 01:06.51 | struct | yep |
| 01:07.11 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | whew... I'm hitting 515Kb/s apt-getting |
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| 01:07.18 | abrotman | runa: hints at what ? |
| 01:07.19 | struct | abrotman: one of your PA brothers lives around the corner from me |
| 01:07.22 | Guerin | runa: xdmcp howto on tldp.org |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | struct: it's not me .. sadly enough |
| 01:07.32 | struct | abrotman: he is a wireless junkie though |
| 01:07.33 | Guerin | runa: it's a relatively easy and painless procedure |
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| 01:07.50 | ry1 | silent: nice, but I still beat you, try apt-getting from a university mirror from another university, I hit 3 mb |
| 01:07.52 | struct | abrotman: always sending some damn 802.11x down the street |
| 01:08.07 | nemo | runa: have you looked at geexbox for simple media playing? |
| 01:08.08 | struct | abrotman: he likes the debian too |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:09.11 | struct | ry1: its not fun till you download 700mb in 20 or 30 seconds |
| 01:09.20 | ry1 | struct: true enough |
| 01:10.22 | struct | ry1: what part of toronto? |
| 01:10.43 | ry1 | but it's nice to be able to get that extra speed, the canadian government put in an extra few high speed net connections that link all the canadian universities, so if you download from one uni mirror while on a net connection from any other uni, then it goes blazing fast |
| 01:10.52 | ry1 | struct: that's where the dns server is |
| 01:10.58 | ry1 | I am nowhere near toronto |
| 01:11.06 | struct | ry1: where in ca then? |
| 01:11.22 | ry1 | struct: about 30 mins west of montreal |
| 01:11.43 | struct | ry1: ottowa? |
| 01:11.47 | dvs | ry1: Cornwall? |
| 01:11.52 | struct | Ottawa |
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| 01:12.01 | struct | my spelling is that of an island person |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | dvs: in an igloo ? |
| 01:12.02 | gpm | hey, anyone know how to convert flash swf files to avi? |
| 01:12.04 | struct | woe is me |
| 01:12.12 | ry1 | struct and dvs: lol, still in quebec, hudson, about 30 k from the quebec ontario boreder |
| 01:12.16 | runa | abrotman: like.. software already ding this (tnx nemo) or something else that might intrest me |
| 01:12.28 | struct | ry1: your ip is Ottawa though |
| 01:12.40 | dvs | struct: that's about an hour away. |
| 01:12.44 | ry1 | struct: I know, isn't it great? :) |
| 01:12.48 | struct | ry1: yes |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | runa: oh .. i'm not aware of anything .. but sounds like you've htought it out pretty well |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | runa: how fast is the laptop ? |
| 01:13.04 | struct | ry1: for me my ip is bahamas but which island is the question |
| 01:13.05 | struct | :) |
| 01:13.06 | ry1 | canada is so big that we can't allocate ips for every town |
| 01:13.07 | runa | abrotman: slow, k6-2 350 w/ 64mb |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | not that slow |
| 01:13.17 | struct | could be any out of 2700 islands and cays |
| 01:13.23 | ry1 | struct: nice |
| 01:13.25 | dvs | ry1: no, it's just Bell being lazy |
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| 01:13.39 | ry1 | dvs: true that, I'm switching to pubnix soon |
| 01:13.47 | struct | ry1: my brother is in south ontario |
| 01:13.52 | runa | abrotman: do you think I can stream video thru xdmcp or something like that? |
| 01:13.58 | abrotman | you can try :) |
| 01:14.00 | ry1 | struct: where abouts, london? |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | 64MB is a little slim |
| 01:14.04 | struct | ry1: yep |
| 01:14.08 | Guerin | runa: if you want the terminal to display the video you'll run into trouble |
| 01:14.11 | ry1 | struct: ah, so UWO then? |
| 01:14.24 | Guerin | 64mb is plenty for an x terminal |
| 01:14.25 | struct | ry1: UWO? |
| 01:14.36 | ry1 | struct: is your bro attending university? |
| 01:14.40 | struct | ry1: nope |
| 01:14.43 | struct | ry1: he is a doctor |
| 01:14.46 | ry1 | struct: ah, |
| 01:14.48 | ry1 | nice |
| 01:15.04 | ry1 | usually people don't move to places like london unless they attend UWO |
| 01:15.07 | struct | although is a phycologist really a doctor? |
| 01:15.16 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | im dling from uofc right now |
| 01:15.29 | struct | I have to watch what I say to him |
| 01:15.30 | struct | ;) |
| 01:15.40 | Guerin | a phycologist might be, byt a psychlogist isn't usually a medical doctor |
| 01:15.48 | Guerin | may be a doctor of philosophy, though |
| 01:15.49 | struct | Guerin: whatever |
| 01:15.57 | ry1 | struct: not in the medical sense I don't believe so, a psychologist would probably be classed as a social scientist, but, if he has a PHD, then he is a doctor in academic terms |
| 01:16.00 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 01:16.00 | dpkg | well, whatever is the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 01:16.04 | struct | Guerin: I know I cant spell ok |
| 01:16.08 | struct | Guerin: :-P |
| 01:16.20 | Guerin | can't use apostrophe's either |
| 01:16.20 | struct | Guerin: and yes we know he cannot prescribe drugs |
| 01:16.28 | ry1 | has anyone tried NBONE? |
| 01:16.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I restart swat? |
| 01:16.31 | Guerin | i'm sure you d'o |
| 01:16.35 | struct | Guerin: but as difficult as that may be he still works in a medical facility |
| 01:17.03 | Guerin | !anyone use nbone |
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| 01:17.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses nbone, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:17.12 | ry1 | silent: /etc/init.d swat stop? |
| 01:17.16 | struct | +/ |
| 01:17.17 | runa | Guerin: yep, I thought so. tnx |
| 01:17.17 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is swat in init? |
| 01:17.21 | ry1 | I believe so |
| 01:17.23 | struct | no |
| 01:17.29 | struct | I think swat runs in inetd by default |
| 01:17.31 | ry1 | hmm, always was for me |
| 01:17.42 | struct | so it would be something like /etc/init.d/inetd restart or whatever |
| 01:17.46 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i installed, got rid of the #OFF# from inetd.conf |
| 01:17.52 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I start it? |
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| 01:18.04 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | oh, ok |
| 01:18.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks struct |
| 01:18.10 | ry1 | silent: take struct's command and change restart for start ::) |
| 01:18.16 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: no problemo |
| 01:18.28 | ry1 | woops, sorry if that emote was offensive, what did it look like? |
| 01:18.31 | struct | restart would have started it too |
| 01:18.41 | struct | it would have just tried to stop it first |
| 01:18.41 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I <3 linux :) |
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| 01:18.43 | struct | :-P |
| 01:18.44 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | its so fast |
| 01:19.01 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: wait till you get a 16-way opteron with 64GB of RAM |
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| 01:19.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | 333mhz AMD K-6 w/ 256... beat that... |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | 486 DX2/66 with 36MB |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | !win me |
| 01:19.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:19.42 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | wow. |
| 01:19.43 | struct | abrotman: that 16-way can do 40 second kernel compiles |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | struct: a 486 takes about two days :) |
| 01:19.56 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | what clock? |
| 01:19.59 | ry1 | hah, 8086 running something before dos |
| 01:20.04 | ry1 | don't eve know what it is |
| 01:20.06 | struct | abrotman: it was very sad to turn it over to the owner when I was done playing with it |
| 01:20.29 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: not sure |
| 01:20.33 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: I think 2600 |
| 01:20.37 | struct | maybe 2400 |
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| 01:21.49 | struct | Model 885 |
| 01:22.00 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | this computer is 2400, A64 4000 |
| 01:22.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do I change a user's group? |
| 01:22.12 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | chgrp? |
| 01:22.19 | struct | yeah |
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| 01:22.52 | struct | chgrp newgroup /foo || bar.tar.gz ... |
| 01:23.16 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: if you wish to change recursively then chgrp -R newgroup /foo |
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| 01:25.17 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | change users recursively? |
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| 01:27.37 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | passwords are hashed right? they can't be found in the system? |
| 01:28.04 | dvs | Silent_Chaos[CAN: nope, what's the point if you can do that? |
| 01:28.06 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: they are in /etc/shadow |
| 01:28.18 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: they can be cracked if they are weak |
| 01:28.25 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | the actual passwords or hashes of them? |
| 01:28.36 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: encrypted form |
| 01:28.41 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: hashes |
| 01:28.49 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | k |
| 01:28.51 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: but they can be cracked if they are weak |
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| 01:29.03 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | only by databases right? |
| 01:29.18 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | hash is irreversible |
| 01:29.26 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: for example create a fake shadow file with a very simple password and run john on it and guaranteed it will crack the password |
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| 01:29.47 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: brute force too |
| 01:30.14 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | hmm... what's the command to change a user's password? :P |
| 01:30.21 | struct | passwd |
| 01:30.21 | name | passwd |
| 01:30.22 | k-man_ | cool, i just discovered my adsl modem runs linux |
| 01:30.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | passwd <user> ? |
| 01:30.35 | name | ye |
| 01:30.35 | struct | k-man_: got snort running on it yet? |
| 01:30.37 | dvs | k-man_: huh? |
| 01:30.38 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: yeah |
| 01:30.41 | k-man_ | snort? |
| 01:30.46 | struct | k-man_: yeah |
| 01:30.55 | struct | k-man_: www.snort.org |
| 01:30.57 | k-man_ | no, should i? |
| 01:31.13 | struct | k-man_: it would be very cool if you did |
| 01:31.18 | k-man_ | yeah |
| 01:31.19 | k-man_ | i guess |
| 01:31.38 | k-man_ | sounds complex |
| 01:31.42 | struct | its what I would do if my cable modem ran linux |
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| 01:32.00 | k-man_ | struct, maybe you have more time than me |
| 01:32.09 | struct | I would have snort on it so fast if you blinked you would have missed it |
| 01:32.18 | struct | and then I would sniff |
| 01:32.20 | struct | :) |
| 01:32.24 | struct | k-man_: not really |
| 01:32.40 | struct | k-man_: time escapes me very easily |
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| 01:33.04 | rasfar | hi -- anyone willing to discuss lilo with someone who forgot to run /sbin/lilo? |
| 01:33.04 | struct | especially when I goof off in IRC |
| 01:33.11 | struct | rasfar: lilo? |
| 01:33.22 | rasfar | for macbook -- it's the only way they say |
| 01:33.28 | k-man_ | struct, me too |
| 01:33.29 | dvs | That's a "pal"able offense |
| 01:33.33 | struct | rasfar: ah ok that makes sense |
| 01:33.35 | Guerin | rasfar: hold shift as you boot and edit the boot line |
| 01:33.41 | rasfar | worked fine until i built a custom kernel |
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| 01:34.09 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I just converted my password to leetspeak... is that secure/sad enough? |
| 01:34.21 | rasfar | i admit i haven't tried holding shift -- but not even the 'L' of lilo gets displayed... |
| 01:34.25 | Guerin | no/yes |
| 01:34.32 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: dont know |
| 01:34.39 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: you can use a password generator |
| 01:34.40 | Guerin | leetspeak is a part of any useful cracking routine |
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| 01:34.44 | yonkeltron | how do i set my locale on debian? |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:34.53 | Guerin | i recommend you use a song, something you like |
| 01:35.01 | Guerin | make an mnemonic |
| 01:35.01 | struct | Guerin: hhmmmm |
| 01:35.09 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | bah, if my server gets hacked, w/e it takes 20 mins to set up again... |
| 01:35.18 | struct | Guerin: are you going to ask him what his favorite song is? |
| 01:35.33 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what if you dont know it got hacked? |
| 01:35.36 | Guerin | i never said FAVOURITE song |
| 01:35.46 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | struct, if I don't know, it can't hurt me |
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| 01:35.47 | dondelelcaro | Silent_Chaos[CAN: just use pwgen, pick out a password at random, and use that. It'll be far more secure than anything you're using. |
| 01:35.53 | struct | Guerin: yeah I see what you mean |
| 01:36.01 | ezu | I am looking at buying a wireless PCMCIA card for my older laptop, I want to buy one that should just work with out any big issues. |
| 01:36.02 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: huh? |
| 01:36.09 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | the server holds no personal information, it is no risk to me |
| 01:36.19 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: dondelelcaro gives very good advice |
| 01:36.22 | Guerin | you could use HmBb1mt, for instance |
| 01:36.35 | Guerin | form what is clearly your favourite song, Hit Me Baby One More Time |
| 01:36.42 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: what if someone hacks it and sets it up for warez and your bandwidth goes through the roof? |
| 01:36.53 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: then you get a big big bandwidth bill |
| 01:37.05 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: is it hurting you then? |
| 01:37.09 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | nope |
| 01:37.11 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I dont pay it ^^ |
| 01:37.18 | struct | so it hurts someone else |
| 01:37.22 | rasfar | bizarre -- thanks Querin the new kernel even boots! talk about a tension breaker |
| 01:37.23 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | potentially |
| 01:37.30 | Guerin | and the person it's hurting hurts you |
| 01:37.33 | struct | well I guess if you can sleep at night thats what matters right? |
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| 01:37.47 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | the person it's hurting wouldn't get that hurt |
| 01:37.48 | Guerin | qasfar: qo qroblem |
| 01:37.54 | Adriel_BR | is there some program for linux that is like FIREWORKS ? |
| 01:38.13 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | shaw wont send me a bill, they'll just warn me a bunch then do nothing |
| 01:38.13 | struct | Guerin: you are a sneaky fellow |
| 01:38.34 | rasfar | Guerin even; good eye :) |
| 01:38.37 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: trust me that when it comes to money they will not just do nothing |
| 01:39.04 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: ISPs are not in the business of handing out bandwidth for free |
| 01:39.11 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | their bandwidth under-usage more than compensates for the over-usage of one domestic user |
| 01:39.36 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: ok fine |
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| 01:39.50 | struct | Silent_Chaos[CAN: I will not cast pearls to swine so to speak |
| 01:40.08 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | but yeah, I'll use the password generator : / |
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| 01:40.35 | Dorfl | So I seem to have gmail checking via fetchmail set up now! Is there a way to have fetchmail put messages into seperate files per each instead of appending to the /var/mail/user monolith please? |
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| 01:41.13 | Guerin | Dorfl: procmail |
| 01:41.40 | freeone3000 | Is there anything involved in upgrading my kernel, udev, X, openoffice, or sbcl that could cause my keyboard to stop working? |
| 01:42.20 | Guerin | kernel could, udev could, dunno what sbcl is |
| 01:42.44 | freeone3000 | Lisp. |
| 01:42.53 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | sweet jesus, there's pizza on my desk growing mould |
| 01:42.58 | freeone3000 | Guerin: Would this require a restart to affect it? |
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| 01:43.00 | dvs | yum! |
| 01:43.09 | dvs | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Is it moving yet? |
| 01:43.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it's spreading along the crust |
| 01:43.28 | Guerin | freeone3000: new kernel would, but i think udev can break shit anytime |
| 01:43.51 | Adriel_BR | is there some program for linux that is like FIREWORKS ? |
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| 01:44.02 | freeone3000 | Adriel_BR: GIMP. |
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| 01:44.11 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | mmm... gimp |
| 01:44.23 | Adriel_BR | but, GIMP is like photoshop, inst it? |
| 01:44.24 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | nicest free graphics manipulation program I've used |
| 01:44.35 | freeone3000 | Yes. |
| 01:44.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | fireworks is like ps too |
| 01:44.41 | Adriel_BR | no... |
| 01:44.43 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | but bad |
| 01:44.43 | Adriel_BR | fireworks is for web |
| 01:44.46 | freeone3000 | I never really got the diffrence between fireworks, freehand, and photoshop. |
| 01:44.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | photoshop does more. |
| 01:44.58 | Adriel_BR | it does a lot of things with js for "you" |
| 01:45.02 | abrotman | Adriel_BR: what does it do that is so special |
| 01:45.05 | freeone3000 | They're all graphics programs. They all edit images. They all do it pretty much the same way. |
| 01:45.22 | freeone3000 | Adriel_BR: Nope. Doesn't do that. Gotta write your own JS. Or get a decent HTML IDE, such as Quanta+. |
| 01:45.25 | Guerin | no, they don't |
| 01:45.25 | Adriel_BR | freeone3000, photoshop does more things with bitmaps for you. |
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| 01:45.33 | Guerin | freehand works on paths, photoshoip on bitmaps |
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| 01:45.44 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | photoshop is a very nice program, but i have to give bimp props |
| 01:45.45 | freeone3000 | Ah. So that's the diffrence... |
| 01:45.49 | Guerin | they're fundamentally different and radically unusable for each others' main tasks |
| 01:45.51 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | gimp* |
| 01:45.58 | Guerin | i never have used fireworks, though |
| 01:46.05 | Adriel_BR | and |
| 01:46.12 | Adriel_BR | where can i find a guide to work with GIMP ? |
| 01:46.23 | ootput | for those of you running sarge on lvm2 on raid, do you also see 'devfs_mk_dir' errors at boot? |
| 01:46.25 | freeone3000 | It's pretty self-explaintory. |
| 01:46.32 | Adriel_BR | freeone3000, is it? |
| 01:46.35 | Adriel_BR | hmm.. :D |
| 01:46.43 | freeone3000 | Yeah. No right-click toggle tools, no hidden options. |
| 01:47.10 | freeone3000 | To learn to do a few things, such as really AWESOME fire, see http://gug.sunsite.dk/ and their tutorials section. |
| 01:47.27 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | what port does smb use? |
| 01:47.32 | ootput | how to be a pyro in 21 hours? |
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| 01:47.36 | Guerin | whichever one you tell it to |
| 01:47.39 | liable | gimp is self explanetary? i must be the stupidest person around here then :) |
| 01:47.42 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | default |
| 01:47.56 | freeone3000 | Nmap freeone3000.be |
| 01:48.05 | freeone3000 | Wait, no, I didn't foward that one. Crap. |
| 01:48.12 | Guerin | gimp is hard if you're used to photoshop, but if you're a complete newb to graphdes then it's no difference |
| 01:48.18 | Adriel_BR | i've heard that emacs do some kind of graphical things, is it true? |
| 01:48.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | mac is good for all sorts of media |
| 01:48.30 | freeone3000 | I wouldn't be suprised. |
| 01:48.35 | freeone3000 | But I, personally, wouldn't use it. |
| 01:48.38 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | neither |
| 01:48.40 | freeone3000 | Silent_Chaos[CAN: But bad for your wallet. |
| 01:48.42 | liable | i found photoshop utterly confusing as well.. :( |
| 01:48.48 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | and for your sanity ;P |
| 01:48.55 | freeone3000 | liable: Have you considered, say, KolorPaint? :P |
| 01:49.12 | liable | freeone3000: i try to take photos i dont need to edit :) |
| 01:49.40 | freeone3000 | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Looks like 901 |
| 01:49.55 | liable | thats swat |
| 01:50.09 | freeone3000 | 445 then. |
| 01:50.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks |
| 01:51.03 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i want to port forward this server as much as possible so i can fix it whenever he breaks it : / |
| 01:51.14 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | (my friend) |
| 01:51.34 | liable | Silent_Chaos[CAN: you only need ssh to do that |
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| 01:53.49 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i want to access swat too |
| 01:54.15 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | and access the files via smb so i can look at them in windows like a newb |
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| 01:58.36 | liable | heh |
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| 02:00.07 | Terlmann | hello all, any place I can get discs of the latest beta,shipped free to me by some concerned rich geek? |
| 02:00.17 | freeone3000 | Beta? You mean sid? |
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| 02:00.43 | freeone3000 | There's also etch, which is less beta than sid, but less tested than sarge. |
| 02:01.12 | liable | i think he means the etch beta installer |
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| 02:02.54 | alindeman | Is there a way to specify a umask for new user's home directories? |
| 02:03.14 | findme | alindeman, set it in .profile |
| 02:03.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | hey, any swat experts here? "failed to find entry for usser <user>"... "The passwd for '<user>' has NOT been changed" |
| 02:03.57 | ootput | have any of you been able to get sarge running on an lvm2 + raid setup? |
| 02:04.02 | alindeman | findme: I mean like upon creation of the user |
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| 02:04.09 | ootput | running | installed |
| 02:04.11 | alindeman | findme: What umask their home dir is created as |
| 02:04.21 | turing | hi all |
| 02:04.28 | turing | I believe I have a pinning problem |
| 02:04.40 | turing | I needed to fetch trac 0.9 from debian unstable |
| 02:04.43 | turing | and use it in sarge |
| 02:04.50 | turing | I also have postfix 2.2 pinned from testing |
| 02:05.05 | turing | that _appears_ to have broken apt's ability to select packages |
| 02:05.12 | turing | and they all seem to be coming from unstable now |
| 02:05.15 | simonrvn | alindeman: /etc/adduser.conf has a setting iirc |
| 02:05.25 | turing | is there a way I can pin all packages to stable with a wildcard? |
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| 02:05.35 | crille | sorry for the stupid question, but how do I change between channels in bitchx? |
| 02:05.46 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:05.46 | turing | so I can just override with a few when I need to fetch something from an upstream release? |
| 02:05.51 | Guerin | crille: /quit change to channel 2 |
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| 02:06.14 | crille | haha, really funny |
| 02:06.27 | crille | Im not _that_ stupid |
| 02:06.29 | Guerin | honestly, that's the only way forward with bx |
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| 02:06.46 | crille | you're serious? |
| 02:06.47 | Terlmann | yesss Etch etch etch or somthing geeky and yet newly Visually endowed areo like -with bugs(can have that,will t |
| 02:06.48 | tengulre | how to setting myself environment variable when boot machine? |
| 02:06.53 | chron | how do you get rid of xscreensaver? |
| 02:07.06 | fauxer | efax requires postscript file. i have basic editors such as kwrite and kate and wordpro Abiword. How to get convert their docs to postscript files? |
| 02:07.08 | lou80 | Hi, anyone know if it's possible to install debian on a spare partition using apt? Kind of like a netinstall without involving a cd |
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| 02:07.11 | tengulre | like LOGDIR=/var/log export LOGDIR |
| 02:07.21 | Guerin | crille: like a heart attack. BX gets people owned. |
| 02:07.27 | lou80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.46 | Guerin | lou80: debootstrap |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | chron: you uninstall it |
| 02:07.58 | crille | ghaa, is there a non-x irc client where you can be in several channels at once and change between them? |
| 02:08.09 | lou80 | k, checking... |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | fauxer: they should have options to print to a file |
| 02:08.10 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 02:08.10 | dpkg | i guess irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 02:08.21 | unix_infidel | crille: irssi, bitchx come to mind. |
| 02:08.38 | turing | anyone here know apt? |
| 02:08.41 | tengulre | how to setting myself environment variable when boot machine? like LOGDIR=/var/log export LOGDIR |
| 02:08.56 | abrotman | turing: just ask |
| 02:08.59 | chron | abrotman is there a way to not uninstall it but let it never be activated? |
| 02:09.03 | fauxer | abrotman: i have read about that, i was trying a more direct way. is 'print to file' the only way? |
| 02:09.05 | crille | but Guerin just said that you cant easily change between channels and still be in them in bitchx? |
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| 02:09.20 | turing | abrotman, I did |
| 02:09.21 | abrotman | fauxer: maybe enscript could do it? dunno |
| 02:09.22 | turing | look above |
| 02:09.22 | Guerin | no, i didn't say that |
| 02:09.31 | Guerin | i just said bitchx was a dangerous waste of time |
| 02:09.37 | Terlmann | <( will I ever get a response? |
| 02:09.47 | Guerin | Terlmann: no. |
| 02:09.51 | Guerin | Terlmann: there, you got one! |
| 02:09.59 | crille | umm, ok, seems like I misunderstood ya, sorry Guerin |
| 02:10.01 | lou80 | Guerin thanks!! |
| 02:10.15 | fauxer | abrotman: thks, i'll go for 'print to file'. |
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| 02:10.17 | Terlmann | genius you are not, cus that wasnt the answer. |
| 02:10.44 | Guerin | Terlmann: never said nothing about a correct response |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | turing: so you're mixing stable with testing/unstable ? |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | chron: probably |
| 02:11.05 | crille | so I guess there _is_ a shortkey in bitchx for changing the channel you send to? |
| 02:11.16 | abrotman | chron: are you using gnome/kde ? |
| 02:11.17 | crille | or a command? |
| 02:11.19 | Guerin | i guess so as well |
| 02:11.22 | Terlmann | yes- you responded, making you wrong,me correct- wait one- |
| 02:11.23 | Guerin | i just don't know |
| 02:11.24 | chron | gnome |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | chron: use the screensaver applet to disable it |
| 02:12.15 | crille | anyone else know how to specify what channel to send your message to using bitchx? |
| 02:12.30 | Terlmann | One day the King decided that he would force all his subjects to tell the |
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| 02:12.40 | Terlmann | truth. A gallows was erected in front of the city gates. A herald announced, |
| 02:12.48 | Terlmann | "Whoever would enter the city must first answer the truth to a question |
| 02:12.49 | turing | abrotman: only in a tiny way |
| 02:12.57 | Terlmann | which will be put to him." Nasrudin was first in line. The captain of the |
| 02:12.59 | turing | I have a very stable tested mixin of postfix 2.2 |
| 02:13.01 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 02:13.01 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 02:13.02 | turing | on sarge |
| 02:13.04 | Terlmann | guard asked him, "Where are you going? Tell the truth -- the alternative |
| 02:13.07 | turing | I added trac with unstable |
| 02:13.09 | Guerin | Terlmann: this is no #sufiwisdom |
| 02:13.11 | turing | and it h0rked my install |
| 02:13.13 | Terlmann | is death by hanging |
| 02:13.14 | turing | which is very strange |
| 02:13.21 | turing | because I did it the same way I did postfix from testing |
| 02:13.21 | Terlmann | "I am going," said Nasrudin, "to be hanged on that gallows." |
| 02:13.25 | turing | which worked perfectly |
| 02:13.34 | turing | and didn't install loads of insanity from unstable |
| 02:13.40 | turing | I'm still wading through the mess |
| 02:13.45 | Terlmann | "I don't believe you." "Very well, if I have told a lie, then hang me!""But that would make it the truth!""Exactly," said Nasrudin, "your truth." |
| 02:13.54 | abrotman | Terlmann: shut up |
| 02:14.12 | Terlmann | Guerin loses ,terlmann wins 0:1 |
| 02:14.17 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:14.35 | dvs | he's a plonker |
| 02:14.43 | Guerin | how can I lose a game i'm watching, particularly when there's only one player playing with himself? |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | probably ought to be a +b'er :) |
| 02:14.58 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | some people need help :) |
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| 02:15.10 | Terlmann | yep ima a nut... see youall tommarow |
| 02:15.22 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | wow. |
| 02:15.25 | Guerin | icechat |
| 02:15.31 | Guerin | NOICE |
| 02:15.37 | findme | ah, i wish he stayed back, there is such a shortage of moron's who make you smile; |
| 02:15.45 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I can take his place |
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| 02:16.23 | findme | he was gifted. |
| 02:17.00 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i'm not? |
| 02:17.22 | Guerin | you appear to not know any mullah nasrudin stories |
| 02:17.54 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | so... he was an intelligent moron... are you rejecting me for my lack of knowledge? |
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| 02:19.04 | pixolet | hello |
| 02:19.15 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | having 2GB ram really helps multi-tasking :O |
| 02:19.22 | dvs | Silent_Chaos[CAN: yup |
| 02:19.48 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | 2-3-2-5 OCZ : / |
| 02:21.19 | setuid_w00t | In Debian Sid, I'm getting the following error in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log file "(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device." This is causing X to fail to start. Does anyone know what the problem is? I can't google it very easily since I'm in console :( |
| 02:22.03 | Guerin | setuid_w00t: modprobe usbhid mousedev |
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| 02:22.57 | coldstea1 | hi |
| 02:23.14 | liable | setuid_w00t: if you are using sid, might pay to get to know how to use a console browser |
| 02:23.15 | setuid_w00t | Guerin: same error afterwards. |
| 02:23.30 | coldstea1 | how do i have ssh start when i boot |
| 02:23.54 | setuid_w00t | liable: hehe, yeah... I have had to before, but I try to avoid it. |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | setuid_w00t: did you install gpm? |
| 02:24.03 | setuid_w00t | no |
| 02:24.12 | setuid_w00t | I don't know what changed. This isn't a fresh install |
| 02:24.17 | gpm | dammit, i keep getting notified when someone talks about that program |
| 02:24.25 | setuid_w00t | I probably upgraded a bunch of stuff without restarting X |
| 02:24.59 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: I *might* have installed it as a dependency. Let me check |
| 02:25.25 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: no, not installed |
| 02:25.30 | lou80 | Guerin am i correct in thinking that debootstrap fetches a kernel as well? |
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| 02:25.40 | Badis | coldstea1: you do "sudo apt-get install sshd", "sudo update-rc.d sshd defaults" |
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| 02:26.04 | Guerin | lou80: nope. |
| 02:26.26 | Badis | coldstea1: you probably wont have to do the last command though, I think the apt-get install sshd makes it autostart |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | setuid_w00t: how are you starting X ? |
| 02:26.41 | setuid_w00t | kdm |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | coldstea1: which version of debian? |
| 02:26.51 | coldstea1 | with the "" |
| 02:26.59 | lou80 | k |
| 02:27.05 | abrotman | setuid_w00t: modprobe mousedev && /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 02:27.07 | Badis | coldstea1: no without the "'s |
| 02:27.08 | coldstea1 | ummm its knoppix installed as debian |
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| 02:27.22 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: I did that before :( |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | then maybe your mouse is dead |
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| 02:28.34 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: It's optical and the light is on, but it could be dead. I'll try another one |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | setuid_w00t: unplug replug |
| 02:28.58 | XIII | i created a new user account...in that account my sound doesnt work...i changed between OSS and ALSA...nothing worked... :( |
| 02:29.08 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: tried that |
| 02:29.16 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: and I rebooted afterwards |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | tail -f /var/log/dmesg .. and try it |
| 02:29.30 | XIII | in old user account sound works fine...in new user account...sound doesnt work... |
| 02:29.50 | Badis | XIII: You need to have permission to use sound |
| 02:29.56 | XIII | wtf |
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| 02:30.11 | Badis | XIII: Think you need to be member of the "sound" group or something like that |
| 02:30.21 | XIII | i c... |
| 02:30.26 | XIII | how do i do that? |
| 02:30.27 | XIII | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.31 | Badis | someone correct me if Im wrong |
| 02:30.41 | coldstea1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.13 | coldstea1 | Badis: it says update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/sshd: file does not exist |
| 02:31.20 | abrotman | XIII: get in the audio group |
| 02:31.32 | abrotman | coldstea1: which version of debian |
| 02:31.37 | XIII | what magic commands i need to use...need clue... |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | !audio |
| 02:31.45 | dpkg | i heard audio is if you are running woody, consider upgrading,ask me about <woody audio> |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:31.49 | coldstea1 | i said its a knoppix install |
| 02:32.03 | XIII | !sound |
| 02:32.03 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | adduser <group> <user> |
| 02:32.32 | fauxer | need some help on using efax with abiword. anyone familiar with this? |
| 02:32.32 | deadcat | you say knoppix, we say #knoppix |
| 02:32.33 | Badis | coldstea1: well, I dont know if its different in knoppix, but did you do sudo apt-get install sshd? |
| 02:32.35 | XIII | oh...moduser...that adduser will add new...trying... |
| 02:33.02 | coldstea1 | ya that worked |
| 02:33.19 | Solet | anyone know of a live cd i can use to reinstall grub as the boot loader? |
| 02:33.28 | Badis | can you start sshd? |
| 02:33.35 | XIII | wtf....moduser not there... |
| 02:33.37 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: ok, so I see the usb disconnect and then I see the connect "input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:02.2-2" |
| 02:33.48 | coldstea1 | how do i satrt i |
| 02:33.49 | coldstea1 | t |
| 02:33.59 | Badis | try just typing sshd |
| 02:34.15 | abrotman | coldstea1: go to #knoppix |
| 02:34.24 | abrotman | setuid_w00t: seems right |
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| 02:35.01 | coldstea1 | well what is the start command for sshd |
| 02:35.03 | setuid_w00t | abrotman: is /dev/input/mice the device I should specify in xorg.conf? |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | coldstea1: go to #knoppix |
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| 02:35.15 | abrotman | setuid_w00t: yes |
| 02:35.24 | coldstea1 | no one helps |
| 02:35.29 | Badis | coldstea1: I could have sworn that the start command for sshd is "sshd" |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | coldstea1: you're not running Debian .. GO TO #knoppix |
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| 02:35.35 | abrotman | Badis: STOP |
| 02:35.39 | deadcat | coldstea1: no one here helps none debian question either |
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| 02:35.55 | coldstea1 | i mean that no one answers |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | tough shit |
| 02:36.04 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | coldstea1: knoppix IS NOT debian .. we can't help you |
| 02:36.19 | deadcat | coldstea1: if knoppix has no user support dont use it |
| 02:36.32 | Solet | does anyone know of a live cd i can use to reinstall grub as the boot loader? |
| 02:36.38 | coldstea1 | its based on debian |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | Badis: if you want to help coldstea1 .. you can both go to #knoppix |
| 02:36.52 | deadcat | coldstea1: shit it based on food. do you eat shit? |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | coldstea1: IT IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 02:37.06 | deadcat | bad example |
| 02:37.10 | Solet | coldstea1: they wont help you if you run knoppix... they're .... like that |
| 02:37.13 | bws42 | beats mine |
| 02:37.29 | coldstea1 | okay well sorry |
| 02:37.43 | Badis | abrotman: Im out of ideas anyway, Im in no way a linux-expert |
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| 02:39.47 | wsjunior | hello i did a chroot and now im able to run 32bit apps like firefox openoffice and skype |
| 02:39.51 | wsjunior | but i have a problem with skype and sound |
| 02:39.53 | wsjunior | does anybody know how to make the sound to work inside the chroot? |
| 02:40.01 | wsjunior | i already asked in debian-amd64 |
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| 02:41.17 | Solet | wsjunior: the channel appears to have gone catatonic |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | does sound work in any other 32bit chroot ? |
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| 02:41.29 | abrotman | erm .. 32bit chroot app |
| 02:41.49 | sparc | i guess you could create devices inside your chroot |
| 02:42.05 | sparc | or mount /dev twice |
| 02:42.49 | sparc | hmm, i have a machine that's isolated from a network :( |
| 02:43.03 | sparc | can i transfer ethtool packages over to it? |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | sneakernet |
| 02:43.16 | sparc | i'm not sure what dependencies i would have to cover though |
| 02:43.28 | Solet | sparc.. i got ya beat... i got a machine that wont load grub and no one will tell me how i can reinatall it |
| 02:43.29 | sparc | is there a way to tell what it depends on, so i can sneakernet those over too? |
| 02:43.59 | sparc | Solet, if you can boot from install media |
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| 02:44.07 | sparc | you could choose the recovery option |
| 02:44.17 | sparc | then get a shell on your root filesystem |
| 02:44.23 | sparc | and run grub-install |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 02:44.26 | dpkg | from memory, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 02:44.27 | sparc | if the package was installed |
| 02:44.51 | sparc | !dpkg |
| 02:44.51 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the base of the Debian package management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get>, <apt>, and <aptitude>, or really cool |
| 02:46.00 | wsjunior | abrotman: no. none. do u i have to install any package inside the chroot to make it work? |
| 02:46.08 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:46.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:46.33 | abrotman | wsjunior: i honestly don't know .. i don't have such nice hardware |
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| 02:46.43 | XIII | how do i remove my self from some group? |
| 02:47.06 | wsjunior | XIII: use vigr as root and remove ur username from the group line. |
| 02:47.16 | XIII | ok |
| 02:47.43 | wsjunior | XIII: u have to login again to make effect |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:48.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:48.43 | XIII | ok...thanx... :D |
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| 02:51.47 | ph00 | !r |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | [r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 02:52.02 | ph00 | !4 |
| 02:52.02 | dpkg | 4 is probably pow(2,2) or maybe even sqrt(16), or unless you're talking mathematics it's FOR! not 4! see ne1 |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 02:52.10 | dpkg | it has been said that msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 02:52.13 | ph00 | OK I'l stop that... |
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| 02:59.59 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:59.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:00.18 | bws42 | heh |
| 03:00.32 | wsjunior | gentoo jealousy? |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 03:01.14 | abrotman | why would anyone be jealous of that ? |
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| 03:01.33 | Guerin | perhaps he means 'envy' |
| 03:01.37 | Guerin | like penis envy |
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| 03:01.43 | abrotman | i think he's confused about which came first .. |
| 03:01.49 | Guerin | that would be a particularly gentoo sort of thing to say |
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| 03:02.10 | Zepata | hello, has anyone had a problem when upgrading to kernel 2.6.17.9 with it locking up when booting? it happens right away when trying to boot the kernel, and i don't even see anything attempting to startup... never really seen that before |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | and would explain his difficulties with spelling/grammar |
| 03:02.42 | XIII | is it possible to not select packages in aptitude everytime i reinstall debian? |
| 03:02.50 | XIII | coz i screwed things again... :( |
| 03:02.51 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 03:02.51 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 03:03.01 | Guerin | Zepata: that kernel isn't in debian, so you might want to look at your build config |
| 03:03.05 | bws42 | lol |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | or ask #kernel |
| 03:03.09 | bws42 | argh |
| 03:03.18 | XIII | ic...thats cool... |
| 03:03.23 | FliesLikeABrick | can apt build a program from source, or do I just do "apt-get source packagename" and then build it myself? |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | !tell FliesLikeABrick about source |
| 03:03.34 | Zepata | alright, yea i just figured i'd ask you guys as usually have a good answer. thanks |
| 03:04.14 | wsjunior | finally :) |
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| 03:04.33 | simonrvn | @lart wsjunior |
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| 03:09.44 | Solet | any suggestions on installing debian on a pentium II laptop? i want a desktop system (x) but i know that gnome and nautilus will bog a p2 down horribly |
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| 03:10.54 | ph00 | box:# apt-get moo |
| 03:10.58 | ph00 | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:11.02 | Seb | what's that IM thing called again, bitle*** ? |
| 03:11.02 | ph00 | cool |
| 03:11.20 | ph00 | beetlejuice? |
| 03:11.29 | Badis | Solet: How about fluxbox? |
| 03:11.33 | ph00 | betelgeuse? |
| 03:11.55 | Seb | ph00: you're pretty funny, I have to admit |
| 03:12.13 | ph00 | I'm not |
| 03:12.21 | liable | Seb: bittlebee |
| 03:12.22 | ph00 | I'm f***ng drunk |
| 03:12.35 | Seb | liable: ah thx |
| 03:12.39 | Guerin | so drunk you can't reach your u c or k keys |
| 03:12.56 | ph00 | not *that* drunk |
| 03:13.03 | ph00 | I only had some 5-6 beers |
| 03:13.08 | ph00 | maybe 7 |
| 03:13.14 | ph00 | 6 pobbly |
| 03:13.27 | Seb | liable: hmm, any idea why google doesn't see mto return naything meaningful about it ? |
| 03:13.28 | Seb | liable: no homepage, no nothing |
| 03:13.45 | Seb | liable: I also thought there was a debian package by that name, but I cant find it either |
| 03:13.47 | Guerin | bah, americans are lightweights |
| 03:13.47 | liable | Seb: its in the repos |
| 03:13.58 | Seb | ph00: would that be pints or regular 25cl ? |
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| 03:14.12 | Seb | liable: apt-get show doesn't show it here, hmmm... |
| 03:14.13 | liable | Seb: bitlbee |
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| 03:14.33 | Seb | liable: aaaaaah, there we go. Now google knows :) |
| 03:14.36 | Seb | liable: thx a lot man |
| 03:14.40 | liable | np |
| 03:14.42 | ph00 | seb half liters |
| 03:15.05 | michael11 | Is there a configuration script/program I can use to configure my network settings? |
| 03:15.09 | ph00 | little more than an american pint or little less than a brit one |
| 03:15.45 | liable | Seb: you dont even to install the package anyway, just point your client to their servers |
| 03:15.51 | Guerin | ok, so, what's the better cpu: p4 2.0 (northwood) or celeron d 2.4? |
| 03:16.01 | Guerin | let's see what #debian says |
| 03:16.06 | michael11 | northwood |
| 03:16.09 | Seb | liable: well i'm not sure i wanna connect to a 3rd party server for my IM messages :\ |
| 03:16.11 | simonrvn | @lart p4 |
| 03:16.28 | Guerin | michael11: celeron d is based on northwood but is 20% faster |
| 03:16.32 | Guerin | sorry |
| 03:16.38 | Guerin | has 20% higher number after it |
| 03:16.47 | Seb | ravenbird: you mean perforce ? I love it :) |
| 03:16.47 | Seb | ravenbird: just kidding ;) |
| 03:16.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:16.50 | ravenbird | Seb: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:16.50 | ravenbird | Seb: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:16.51 | michael11 | I would never trust a celeron |
| 03:17.03 | Guerin | michael11: why not? |
| 03:17.03 | liable | why not? |
| 03:17.20 | dendrite | michael11: For most folks, configuring network settings is very simple, and simply requires editing /etc/network/interfaces. Man interfaces for info on that... |
| 03:17.44 | michael11 | Well, it's always been like the little brother for all intel processors |
| 03:17.52 | michael11 | never too strong |
| 03:17.59 | michael11 | and so I've always regarded it as less |
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| 03:18.10 | liable | cpu snob eh? :P |
| 03:18.15 | michael11 | dendrite: thank you... I couldn't remember what it was |
| 03:18.16 | simonrvn | that's not a rational reason |
| 03:18.20 | Dwonis | Seb: There are some things that I wish Subversion had that Perforce did... mainly branchspecs. |
| 03:18.22 | nevyn | michael11: it is less.. but why have more when you can have less :) |
| 03:18.22 | Guerin | ok, fair enough. But these celeron d chips are supposed to be the shizzo |
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| 03:18.42 | nevyn | pentium D's are the shizzle fa'izzle |
| 03:18.57 | michael11 | core 2 duo ftw |
| 03:19.01 | nevyn | true |
| 03:19.05 | Guerin | well, that's great |
| 03:19.06 | Seb | Dwonis: i find p4 pretty neat overall... Of all the SCS I've been using, it's gotta be my favorite. If only it handled links and versioned dirs, then it'd be teh sh*t :) |
| 03:19.09 | simonrvn | fuck the world? |
| 03:19.17 | Guerin | if I could find one to fit my s478 board, I'd be stoked |
| 03:19.22 | michael11 | for the win |
| 03:19.28 | simonrvn | ah, thanks |
| 03:19.32 | michael11 | lol |
| 03:19.43 | nevyn | for the win |
| 03:20.03 | nevyn | /channelname #debian_hood |
| 03:20.08 | Dwonis | Seb: Yeah, I didn't mind it either, but I've heard it's not exactly fun to admin... and at $800 (or whatever a single-user license costs these days), it's hardly worth it. |
| 03:20.32 | Seb | Dwonis: it's free up to 2 users, I think... |
| 03:20.43 | Seb | Dwonis: administering it is OK enough, I find. But I guess I'm sued to it... |
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| 03:21.07 | Dwonis | Seb: Only non-commercially, I think. I'm a consultant, so I don't qualify. |
| 03:22.10 | Seb | Dwonis: ah I see. |
| 03:22.31 | Seb | simonrvn: heh, a pac reference or am I mistaken ? |
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| 03:25.04 | michael11 | How can I configure this box to allow it to be ssh'ed into right after I have done a fresh base install? |
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| 03:25.36 | Seb | michael11: apt-get install ssh-server ? |
| 03:25.40 | Seb | michael11: or just ssh |
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| 03:26.52 | yonkeltron | holy crap |
| 03:26.54 | tuv | Seb, michael11 : it's openssh-server or ssh |
| 03:26.58 | yonkeltron | michael11: what distro? |
| 03:27.06 | michael11 | deb |
| 03:27.12 | yonkeltron | michael11: apt-get install ssh |
| 03:27.28 | yonkeltron | michael11: you might want to install sudo and set it up alongside ssh though |
| 03:27.37 | yonkeltron | michael11: then run bastille remotely or something |
| 03:27.48 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:27.55 | Guerin | he doesn't want sudo or bastille |
| 03:27.59 | Guerin | he fucking wants ssh |
| 03:28.10 | dendrite | Around here, the question "what distro" is about like "What is the the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?" -- wrong answer, and you're OUTTA here! =) |
| 03:28.18 | Guerin | it's not like running a box without sudo or ssh is no longer allowed |
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| 03:28.43 | yonkeltron | Guerin: ok. |
| 03:28.50 | Guerin | dendrite: what, if we don't say 'african or european' we get banned? |
| 03:29.03 | dendrite | Guerin: What's your favorite color? ;-) |
| 03:29.27 | michael11 | arg... I was installing debian onto a hard drive on my main machine and at that part where it makes you reboot, I shutdown and swapped the drive back into my test serverbox where it belongs but now it doesn't have apt configured or the rest of the stuff that comes on that second part of the install |
| 03:29.34 | michael11 | anyone know how I can get that back up? |
| 03:29.56 | Guerin | dendrite: debian |
| 03:30.01 | dendrite | Guerin: =) |
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| 03:30.58 | michael11 | yonkeltron: thanks. I see where you are coming from and I think I will go with sudo and bastille, but I just want to get ssh running at the moment |
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| 03:31.57 | yonkeltron | Guerin: :-P |
| 03:32.02 | yonkeltron | michael11: i hear ya. |
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| 03:32.06 | dendrite | michael11: I think there's a hint about that 'firstrun' in the init script... |
| 03:32.32 | michael11 | eh? |
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| 03:33.36 | michael11 | how can I configure apt? |
| 03:33.49 | tuv | for what? |
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| 03:34.12 | michael11 | Like... when you first install and it configures it |
| 03:34.33 | tuv | you mean "dpkg-reconfigure apt"? |
| 03:34.36 | dendrite | michael11: Do you have /sbin/unconfigured.sh ? |
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| 03:35.31 | tuv | michael11, all apt needs is sources.list and possible preferences |
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| 03:35.44 | tuv | *possibly |
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| 03:37.41 | dendrite | michael11: Yeah... That's the script that Debian runs to first set up a system. If you google for that, you will find some info on manually setting things up. |
| 03:41.26 | petriborg | theres a plugin that links to wget for downloads as i recall |
| 03:41.30 | dendrite | michael11: /sbin/setup.sh as well... |
| 03:41.38 | petriborg | and that just links to a locally installed copy w/ shell script |
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| 03:41.42 | sasasa | in exim |
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| 03:45.40 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | where would I add an entry to execute a binary on bootup? |
| 03:46.45 | dendrite | Silent_Chaos[CAN: Read /etc/rcS.d/README |
| 03:47.09 | some1 | !ntfs |
| 03:47.09 | dpkg | [ntfs] Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
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| 03:58.22 | pinky_ | I know the Amarok devs have it fixed for 1.4.2, but my 1.4.1 package from testing works with libvisual just fine, so I'm wondering if the fix was incorporated into Debian's package at compile time. |
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| 04:01.41 | peterS | pinky_: read /usr/share/doc/amarok/changelog.Debian.gz, it mentions libvisual in the 1.4.1-3 entry |
| 04:02.03 | tuv | k-man__, i like rdiff-backup |
| 04:02.32 | tuv | k-man__, it creates a mirror and reverse differential increments |
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| 04:03.44 | pinky_ | peterS: Thanks, but that doesn't really answer my question. |
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| 04:08.42 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 04:08.50 | bbelt16ag | something is wrong with artsd now |
| 04:08.59 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg artsd |
| 04:08.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, artsd is the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 04:09.09 | bbelt16ag | !dpkg oss |
| 04:09.09 | dpkg | hmm... oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.6 info).. OldSchoolSound |
| 04:09.39 | bbelt16ag | can somebody help me with arts |
| 04:09.45 | bbelt16ag | i am getting the no /dev/dsp error |
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| 04:10.07 | g0vner | is there anyone here who knows how to set homenetwork? |
| 04:10.30 | Kevin` | i'm afraid to answer this, but sure |
| 04:10.36 | g0vner | hm |
| 04:10.43 | g0vner | i bought a 3com wireless router |
| 04:10.59 | g0vner | and im trying to link it to my genius switch to gain some extra ports |
| 04:11.12 | bbelt16ag | ... |
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| 04:11.17 | g0vner | and for some reason i can't ping the computers connected to the switch |
| 04:11.24 | Kevin` | odd |
| 04:11.36 | bbelt16ag | what port are you pluggin the switch into ? |
| 04:11.38 | g0vner | tell me about it |
| 04:11.40 | Kevin` | the computers connected to the switch can ping each other? |
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| 04:11.49 | g0vner | i connect it to 1 |
| 04:12.03 | g0vner | hm there's only one computer connected to the switch |
| 04:12.10 | g0vner | and some others to the router it self |
| 04:12.15 | liable | bbelt16ag: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 04:12.23 | Kevin` | the switch is commumicating with the router? |
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| 04:12.36 | bbelt16ag | how do i check liable |
| 04:12.44 | g0vner | kinda |
| 04:12.53 | g0vner | the lights work but they blink toghter |
| 04:12.58 | liable | bbelt16ag: lsmod |
| 04:13.02 | g0vner | which is wierd they never did that before |
| 04:13.25 | Kevin` | are you using the normal lan ports on the router and switch? |
| 04:13.36 | g0vner | hm |
| 04:13.44 | peterS | nvz: yeah, I know what you mean |
| 04:13.53 | g0vner | the switch i tried 1,8 port |
| 04:13.56 | nvz | ahh seeing double |
| 04:13.57 | bbelt16ag | is this it ? soundcore 3268 0 (autoclean) |
| 04:14.06 | nvz | I havent even opened the bottle yet.. |
| 04:14.08 | bbelt16ag | i go nothing for snd-pcm |
| 04:14.09 | g0vner | and sometimes it do pings but very fadly |
| 04:14.29 | g0vner | and as for the router i have 5 ports on it but one is for the modem |
| 04:14.39 | bbelt16ag | modem? |
| 04:14.45 | g0vner | cable modem |
| 04:14.47 | bbelt16ag | ah |
| 04:14.47 | pickcoder | wan port |
| 04:14.51 | g0vner | yes |
| 04:14.57 | bbelt16ag | was getting scared there... |
| 04:15.01 | Kevin` | the 'router' part of the router, you see :) |
| 04:15.03 | g0vner | lol :) |
| 04:15.07 | nvz | heh |
| 04:15.19 | g0vner | so what am i doing wrong |
| 04:15.22 | bbelt16ag | so is the sound core the right module?? |
| 04:15.24 | bbelt16ag | or not |
| 04:15.28 | g0vner | i even crossed a cable |
| 04:15.28 | bbelt16ag | how do i get it to work, |
| 04:15.33 | Kevin` | it sounds like a hardware problem |
| 04:15.39 | Kevin` | crossed a cable? |
| 04:15.41 | bbelt16ag | i was just in windows... |
| 04:15.45 | bbelt16ag | WTF |
| 04:15.47 | g0vner | with what part.. |
| 04:15.58 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
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| 04:16.01 | g0vner | the router works fine if i connect only computers to it , and so is the switch |
| 04:16.17 | bbelt16ag | i have two artsd running would that be the problem? |
| 04:16.21 | Kevin` | g0vner does the switch work if you connect a computer to the cable that the router is connected to? |
| 04:16.38 | nvz | g0vner: which ports are connecting the switch and the hub? |
| 04:16.39 | Kevin` | brb reinstalling linux |
| 04:16.54 | g0vner | Kevin`: yes |
| 04:17.03 | g0vner | nvz: on the switch 1 or 8 |
| 04:17.13 | pickcoder | g0vner: you have a router, a switch, and a cable modem? |
| 04:17.14 | g0vner | and in the router choosed 1 at first |
| 04:17.20 | Kevin` | g0vner have you tried, by chance, using a crossover cable? modern switch shouldn't need it, but.. |
| 04:17.20 | g0vner | oh |
| 04:17.38 | Kevin` | and it shouldn't indicate connection and ping intermittently if that was the problem |
| 04:17.41 | g0vner | kevin yes i've i crosssed it my self |
| 04:17.42 | nvz | g0vner: you have a crossover cable connected between a port on the switch and a port on the hub? not like in the router's wan port or something.. right? |
| 04:17.52 | Kevin` | 'crossed' it? |
| 04:18.14 | g0vner | yes took a cable and switched some wires made it cross |
| 04:18.27 | Kevin` | hopefully maintaining the twisted pairs and solid connections, without a long run of loose cables |
| 04:18.46 | k-man__ | tuv, that looks interesting |
| 04:18.56 | nvz | g0vner: are you sure you did this right? |
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| 04:19.03 | g0vner | kevin is the cable connecting the router to the modem is supposed to be crossed? |
| 04:19.10 | Kevin` | i've done it myself, with a fairly long cable, so I won't fault you automatically :) |
| 04:19.14 | g0vner | nvz : im only human |
| 04:19.17 | g0vner | ^^ |
| 04:19.25 | g0vner | heh |
| 04:19.33 | nvz | g0vner: the uplink cable is not crossed when being connected to a modem |
| 04:19.33 | Kevin` | g0vner depends on your modem.. I doubt it |
| 04:19.50 | g0vner | motorolla surf board if that says anything to you.. |
| 04:20.04 | Kevin` | says 'i've heard of those' |
| 04:20.16 | Kevin` | but the modem is working, isn't it? |
| 04:20.30 | nvz | my hub has a port on it that you can just press a button and cross it for linking with other hubs or switches |
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| 04:20.44 | pickcoder | nvz: how old is it? <G> |
| 04:20.50 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 04:20.54 | Kevin` | nvz modern network hardware autodetects whether the cable is crossover or normal, so you don't have to worry about it |
| 04:21.16 | g0vner | my switch is rather old , but the router is new |
| 04:21.19 | Kevin` | I have a hub like that too though, heh |
| 04:21.25 | Kevin` | that's what I get for buying what's cheap |
| 04:21.27 | nvz | yeah but I mean you dont need a crossover cable is the point |
| 04:21.27 | g0vner | :) |
| 04:21.40 | nvz | I know switches that are fancier can sense it |
| 04:22.03 | g0vner | one other thing |
| 04:22.06 | nvz | this is a Netgear 8Port Ethernet Hub EN108TP |
| 04:22.33 | g0vner | it takes it a while but the computer connected to the switch gets ip from the Dhcp of the host after a while |
| 04:22.40 | nvz | basically two of their 4 port model in a bigger case :P |
| 04:23.13 | nvz | I like their metal cases I used to have a crapload of netgear hubs, switches, and routers |
| 04:23.14 | g0vner | when i said host i meant router |
| 04:23.30 | Kevin` | I would run some tests on the cable and switch |
| 04:23.45 | g0vner | what kind of tests |
| 04:24.10 | g0vner | can i c/p something here guys/ |
| 04:24.32 | Kevin` | assuming you don't have a dedicated tester, computers connected in different ways with ping |
| 04:24.48 | g0vner | Request timed out. |
| 04:24.48 | g0vner | Reply from 220.20.20.4: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128 |
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| 04:25.05 | g0vner | hi lol |
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| 04:25.36 | g0vner | Kevin`: can you join flood for a minute please? |
| 04:25.40 | odla | !tell g0vner about paste |
| 04:25.54 | pickcoder | grr |
| 04:26.10 | g0vner | :X sorry |
| 04:26.25 | odla | why the grr |
| 04:26.42 | pickcoder | Bellsouth likes to bounce my connection |
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| 04:28.47 | dansushi | i'm having a problem logging in to my user with kde. I type in my username and password (and i know that i typed it in right- it works in the console) but when it looks like it's about to log me in, it brings me back to the login screen. Anyone have any idea what is wrong? |
| 04:30.42 | odla | dansushi: can you log in as another user or as root? |
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| 04:38.42 | odla | dansushi: ok when you ask for help and then become inactive don't expect help |
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| 04:44.08 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:44.30 | Guerin | the first date hellstraclear can hook me up with fast interwebs is September 7 |
| 04:47.10 | dansushi | odla, sorry for the delay... I can log in as root. but only from the console |
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| 04:53.22 | bbelt16ag | hello |
| 04:53.27 | bbelt16ag | i am back still no sound grrr |
| 04:53.49 | bbelt16ag | does debian use oss or alsa? i have a feeling its alsa since oss is not free |
| 04:54.08 | liable | bbelt16ag: what kernel have you got? |
| 04:54.30 | bbelt16ag | 2.4 |
| 04:54.48 | bbelt16ag | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:54.57 | bbelt16ag | it was working perfectly |
| 04:55.09 | liable | bbelt16ag: then you have oss, unless you installed the alsa-modules package |
| 04:55.12 | bbelt16ag | i cant believe its broken AGAIN |
| 04:55.16 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 04:55.25 | bbelt16ag | how do i get alsa off and oss back on?? |
| 04:55.37 | bbelt16ag | can i apt-get remove alsa stuff and then apt-get install oss? |
| 04:55.49 | bbelt16ag | i am getting the /de/dsp no such device error.. |
| 04:56.02 | odla | bbelt16ag: why not install a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 04:56.15 | bbelt16ag | because i want support for open mosix! |
| 04:56.28 | bbelt16ag | when ever i get some other boxes i am going to have a cluster |
| 04:57.04 | odla | and there isn't support for mosix in 2.6? |
| 04:57.19 | bbelt16ag | its still in beta stuff breaks and everything |
| 04:57.33 | odla | ah |
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| 04:57.50 | bbelt16ag | how do i find out is oss is working right? |
| 04:57.59 | g0vner | Kevin` : i think i know what's the problem . |
| 04:58.04 | Kevin` | ? |
| 04:58.25 | odla | i don't know anything about oss just alsa |
| 04:58.51 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:58.59 | g0vner | i connected some other computer to the switch with a new nick i bought and it starting promoting in windows network unpluged/pluged |
| 04:58.59 | odla | bbelt16ag: you could run aptitude remove alsa alsa-utils && aptitude install oss |
| 04:59.07 | g0vner | nic* |
| 04:59.21 | g0vner | i think thatg |
| 04:59.30 | g0vner | the switch is absoulete |
| 04:59.45 | Kevin` | cable is known good? |
| 04:59.46 | g0vner | obsoulete* |
| 04:59.48 | liable | bbelt16ag: what card is it? make sure the modules are being loaded for it |
| 04:59.56 | Kevin` | obsolete, or just plain broken |
| 05:00.06 | Kevin` | I'd go for the latter |
| 05:00.13 | bbelt16ag | apt install os oss does nto work no packages found. |
| 05:00.16 | g0vner | with the old nics he work fine |
| 05:00.27 | g0vner | but we the new nick and new router he doesnt |
| 05:00.31 | bbelt16ag | my sound was working perfect something mesed up |
| 05:00.36 | g0vner | he keeps blinking wierdly with'em |
| 05:00.38 | odla | apt-get install oss ? |
| 05:00.58 | odla | does lsmod show your module as being loaded? |
| 05:01.39 | bbelt16ag | i got soundcore whatever that means |
| 05:01.53 | g0vner | kevin : i bet that if i go to the old network configuration the switch will do the work , but in the current status he just doesnt match , which bring me to the a question regarding something you said before |
| 05:02.20 | g0vner | how do i use a nick so i can limit the intake he takes of the int without damaging the lan bandwidth |
| 05:02.23 | Kevin` | g0vner switches are cheap these days |
| 05:02.25 | Kevin` | :) |
| 05:02.25 | g0vner | nic* |
| 05:02.38 | g0vner | indeed you're right but so am i :> |
| 05:02.46 | Kevin` | lol |
| 05:03.13 | liable | heh |
| 05:03.15 | Kevin` | how fast an internet connection do you have |
| 05:03.37 | g0vner | i think 250Kbps |
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| 05:03.54 | g0vner | which is 180 KBps download |
| 05:03.57 | liable | beer 'o' clock |
| 05:04.07 | Kevin` | ethernet is a lot faster then that, i wouldn't worry about saturating your bandiwdth |
| 05:04.59 | bbelt16ag | so is soundcore the right module? |
| 05:05.54 | liable | bbelt16ag: that is not the module for your particular card no |
| 05:06.01 | bbelt16ag | how do i find it |
| 05:06.08 | Kevin` | (69 times faster, assuming your measure was in bytes) |
| 05:06.22 | liable | bbelt16ag: i told you, find what card you have and google to see what oss modues it needs |
| 05:06.30 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 05:06.38 | g0vner | i know that the ethernet is alot faster than that, but my problem is that when ever more than two computers are working i cant play online cause it lags me thus in the past i've reducded the nic to 10duplax or something but now i've a computer that acts as a NFS and i want it to be both connected and to give the maximum bandwith to the network witout cripling the online ping |
| 05:06.53 | g0vner | pshew |
| 05:07.05 | Kevin` | g0vner sounds like your switch is bieng overloaded.. |
| 05:07.23 | g0vner | What |
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| 05:08.08 | Kevin` | well, if your switch/router was functioning properly, you should be able to completely saturate the connection between 2 computers and still use the internet from a third without problem.. |
| 05:08.16 | g0vner | i find it hard to believe that's unless the manufacture is an imbesile |
| 05:08.38 | Kevin` | those who make routers sometimes don't plan for heavy lan use |
| 05:08.41 | Kevin` | or they are cheap |
| 05:09.01 | bbelt16ag | how do i get the module loaded do i have to recompile my kernel? |
| 05:09.11 | g0vner | kevin the router is brand new untill recently i used a computer with sygate as a router |
| 05:10.07 | Kevin` | g0vner if I were you i'd treat myself to a nice little 10/100/1000 ethernet switch from a respectable company, and be happy for a long while :) |
| 05:10.09 | g0vner | the good new'sRequest timed out. |
| 05:10.09 | g0vner | Request timed out. |
| 05:10.09 | g0vner | Reply from 220.20.20.4: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128 |
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| 05:10.19 | g0vner | damn |
| 05:10.20 | Kevin` | oops? |
| 05:10.27 | g0vner | im so tired |
| 05:10.32 | odla | !tell g0vner about paste |
| 05:10.34 | g0vner | i didnt mean to paste :X |
| 05:10.38 | odla | g0vner: that's twice now |
| 05:10.41 | liable | bbelt16ag: modprobe foomodule |
| 05:10.43 | Kevin` | brand new doesn't always mean quality |
| 05:10.44 | g0vner | i know sorry |
| 05:10.55 | Kevin` | the cheap routers at best buy and such are sometimes that.. cheap |
| 05:11.04 | g0vner | it's 3com's :X should be good right? |
| 05:11.09 | Kevin` | i'd think so |
| 05:11.23 | Kevin` | if I were you i'd get a good switch and connect all pcs to that |
| 05:11.28 | Kevin` | (and the router to it) |
| 05:11.33 | Kevin` | should solve your problems.. |
| 05:11.34 | g0vner | i think you're right |
| 05:11.39 | g0vner | i dont think im sure you're |
| 05:11.57 | odla | bbelt16ag: you also need to edit /etc/modules if you want that modules to be loaded during boot time |
| 05:12.08 | g0vner | i came to that conclusion too.. the switch is obsoulete im certain of it , too many things point at it |
| 05:12.29 | g0vner | kevin i thank you again you were very helpfull .) |
| 05:12.32 | Kevin` | :) |
| 05:12.46 | Kevin` | do you know by chance if the router has a hub or switch built in? |
| 05:12.59 | g0vner | hm |
| 05:13.07 | g0vner | i think it's a 4 port switch |
| 05:14.04 | liable | on a cheap router? |
| 05:14.10 | Kevin` | go beg a big old cisco switch from some company :) |
| 05:14.22 | Kevin` | liable my cheap router has one, works well |
| 05:14.29 | g0vner | Heh |
| 05:15.07 | Kevin` | what's the license look like for sun's java nowadays? |
| 05:15.22 | Kevin` | last I looked at it, which was a while ago, it had some issues |
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| 05:16.44 | Neovdr2 | Hello to all |
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| 05:17.11 | Neovdr2 | Is anyone manage to install debian on a usb stick and boot ok? |
| 05:17.50 | pinky_ | Kevin`: It's bad, but they promise it will be released under a truely Free license by October. |
| 05:18.15 | pinky_ | No word on what license that may be. Here's hoping to GPLv3 (and libraries LGPL for linkage issue of course). |
| 05:18.26 | bbelt16ag | this looks like an all nighter thing no way am i doingthis |
| 05:18.37 | bbelt16ag | tongiht geesh |
| 05:18.45 | bbelt16ag | i did nothing to my system that would cause this |
| 05:19.14 | pinky_ | That fact, combined with the continuing success of the Gnash project, makes me extremely optimistic about GNU/Linux distributions including Free Flash/Java support by default. |
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| 05:19.49 | ezu | I am trying to configure a new kernel with make menuconfig but I need to Ncurses lib's. Which package would I install for this? |
| 05:19.50 | pinky_ | That will be very weird. Free Flash 7 and Java... likely by the end of this year. |
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| 05:20.10 | liable | ezu: libncurses5-dev |
| 05:20.14 | ezu | k.. |
| 05:21.00 | ezu | thanks |
| 05:21.02 | Kevin` | flash 7 free? |
| 05:21.34 | Kevin` | heh maybe soon i'll be able to view all those annoying flash ads on my pda :) |
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| 05:26.40 | pinky_ | Kevin`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash |
| 05:26.55 | Kevin` | view a web site? so much work |
| 05:27.14 | pinky_ | Although I recommend Firefox + Flashblock extension to kill Flash-based ads (and of course AdBlockPlus to handle everything else) |
| 05:27.21 | Kevin` | an, I see |
| 05:27.35 | Kevin` | I don't use any ad blocking myself |
| 05:27.44 | Kevin` | probably should, saves bandwidth |
| 05:28.04 | deadcat | what do i have to do to make that apt-key so when i apt-get update with my mirror in sources.list apt wont bitch? |
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| 05:28.10 | SpaceFrog | hey all |
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| 05:28.27 | liable | deadcat: /sg dpkg 2006 key |
| 05:28.47 | liable | !topicsmite deadcat |
| 05:28.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon deadcat. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:29.00 | deadcat | liable: no i have to make a key for my repo |
| 05:29.24 | jetscreamer | !pal liable |
| 05:29.51 | carthik | (ouch) |
| 05:30.20 | liable | deadcat: oh, i dont know the exact details, but just sign the packages file file with your key, and import it |
| 05:30.28 | sep | deadcat, http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 05:30.32 | liable | jetscreamer: that happens often to me :( |
| 05:30.58 | sep | deadcat, opppps unfortunatly the part about setting up a secure repo was marked TODO. |
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| 05:31.30 | jetscreamer | !comfort liable |
| 05:31.30 | dpkg | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 05:31.56 | deadcat | sep: doh. thanks (= |
| 05:34.00 | Neovdr2 | I have install debian net-install on my 512MB USB Stick but when starting PC I get Grub error and stucks |
| 05:34.18 | Neovdr2 | Any idea please? |
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| 05:35.23 | liable | Neovdr2: explain a bit more, have you added aline in menu.lst to point to te usb key? |
| 05:36.14 | Neovdr2 | In the file there is a line pointing to /dev/sda to load the kernel |
| 05:36.20 | pinky_ | Umm, Azureus just told me to update to 2.5.0.0... should I wait and get the package or can I update through the torrent? |
| 05:36.48 | liable | Neovdr2: wont work, you need a kernel to be loaded to actually see a /dev/sda.. |
| 05:37.00 | Neovdr2 | It added automaticaly after installation |
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| 05:38.08 | Neovdr2 | kernel loaded first? |
| 05:39.44 | liable | Neovdr2: are you trying to have a debian install on a usb key? |
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| 05:40.15 | Neovdr2 | Yes I want to boot debian from USB Stick |
| 05:40.23 | Neovdr2 | size 512 MB |
| 05:40.58 | Neovdr2 | with no other HD or CDROM |
| 05:41.34 | pinky_ | !marillat |
| 05:41.34 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 05:41.58 | pinky_ | aaahhh, new location! Thanks dpkg! |
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| 05:45.00 | Neovdr2 | liable any idea? |
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| 05:48.12 | liable | Neovdr2: not really |
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| 05:49.11 | gpm | anyone know what "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed" means (cups)? |
| 05:49.17 | Neovdr2 | So it is not possible to have debian to boot from USB-STICK? |
| 05:49.55 | ezu | DSLinux does it and its based on debian.. so i would say its doable, but I am not sure how it is done |
| 05:51.25 | liable | Neovdr2: it is possible |
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| 05:53.05 | Neovdr2 | My dev name of my USB Stick is /dev/sda1. What I have to do to have it boot? |
| 05:54.19 | deadcat | which live-cd detects/setup nvidia card and loads the nvidia driver? i want to test if its me or my hardware thats giving me this weak ass performance |
| 05:54.55 | dondelelcaro | Neovdr2: first your bios has to be able to boot off of usb sticks, then you have to install debian to the usb stick, install grub on it, and get a kernel+initramfs that can load the modules for the usb stick |
| 05:55.11 | dondelelcaro | Neovdr2: there are instructions which are much more verbose available via google. |
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| 05:57.18 | david_ | when i play an AVI (have not tried others) I can not see a picture only hear the sound.. any idea why? |
| 05:57.20 | Neovdr2 | My Bios can boot from USB HDD, USB CDROMS, USB FLOPPY is this compatible? |
| 05:57.49 | JMT | Hey, have anybody of you problem with xorg? |
| 05:58.24 | JMT | In finnish debian and ubuntu channel a few people have |
| 06:00.10 | dondelelcaro | JMT: there'd be bugs filed in the bts if there are known problems |
| 06:00.21 | sep | JMT, you need to work on your problem description skills. it's quite hopless to help you with that little detail. unless all you want to know is No my xorg works flawlessly |
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| 06:04.41 | JMT | They xorg don´t find graphic card anymore |
| 06:05.04 | CyberMad | what is kernel version of debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 06:05.20 | CyberMad | 2.4.x or 2.6.x ? |
| 06:05.36 | sep | CyberMad, 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 iirc |
| 06:06.36 | CyberMad | err.. so which one correct? i want install debian in VMware and have question of kernel version |
| 06:07.41 | sep | CyberMad, what version vmware ? if you run a nont brand new vmware you might use 2.4 since 2.6 have timing issues. with a bran new vmware i think you can pick 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 06:08.26 | CyberMad | I use VMware workstation 5.5.2 build-29772 in windows |
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| 06:09.59 | sep | CyberMad, well i think you can pick the one you fancy most |
| 06:10.16 | sep | or even beetter,,, try them both and make an educated choise |
| 06:10.22 | CyberMad | ok :) |
| 06:10.24 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 06:10.30 | Guerin | mm, duck with plum |
| 06:10.35 | Guerin | mah fayvurt |
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| 06:11.27 | omry|work | I installed a basic system on raid1 using debootstrap (from knoppix). the system boots, but gets into maint mode, it looks like the kernel does not initalize all the raid arrays. it does initliaze the root file system, but since /var is on a different array it can't complete the boot. can anyone help me diagnosing the problem? |
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| 06:13.33 | omry|work | s/diagnosing/diagnose |
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| 06:14.32 | peterS | omry|work: it's generally not a good idea to rely on kernel raid auto-assemble. instead, install mdadm and use that to bring up your arrays. it's more reliable. |
| 06:15.21 | peterS | omry|work: even the root filesystem, I wouldn't rely on this, but instead use one of the initrd generation tools to build an initrd where mdadm runs and does its thing |
| 06:15.22 | omry|work | peterS: suppose I go that path, will I need to rebuild the kernel to disable kernel raid auto detect? |
| 06:15.33 | peterS | omry|work: I dunno if that interferes or not, actually |
| 06:16.36 | peterS | a couple of years ago I never would have imagined myself actually _recommending_ an initrd solution where it's technically possible to avoid one. but the initrd generation tools are quite good and automated, now I'm a believer |
| 06:16.54 | omry|work | peterS: I already have mdadm installed, but as far as I understand, it will run at runlevle 2(which never complete for me now) |
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| 06:17.58 | omry|work | peterS: I have an initrd image (I am using kernel 2.6.14 from sarge backports), you think the initrd support mdadm? |
| 06:17.59 | peterS | omry|work: errr, see /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid as well. that runs well before rc2 |
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| 06:18.24 | peterS | omry|work: current initrd generation tools (yaird or initramfs-tools) should have full support for putting mdadm in there. |
| 06:18.49 | peterS | i.e., they'll notice that the root filesystem is raid1 and with any luck will DTRT |
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| 06:19.13 | omry|work | DTRT? |
| 06:19.23 | peterS | Do The Right Thing |
| 06:19.27 | omry|work | DeTect at RunTime? :) |
| 06:19.37 | knowall | is there a debian version for AMD 64-bit cpu? |
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| 06:19.58 | peterS | knowall: officially released, no. unofficial, and officially not-yet-released, yes. |
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| 06:20.35 | knowall | peterS: which means i can't install it thro apt yet? |
| 06:20.48 | peterS | knowall: debian 3.1 (sarge) could not include the amd64 binaries because of disk space issues on the mirrors. so 'amd64' is provided unofficially in 3.1. since then the mirror issue has been solved, so the next release, 4.0 (etch) will include amd64 |
| 06:21.13 | knowall | when will the etch one be due? |
| 06:21.20 | peterS | December |
| 06:21.31 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.38 | peterS | knowall: if you don't mind installing something that isn't released as stable, try the etch installer at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - download one of the 'amd64' CD images, probably the netinst one from etch beta 3. |
| 06:22.00 | peterS | knowall: if you want stable, see http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 for links to the unofficial (but still pretty much the same as the official release) amd64 |
| 06:22.06 | knowall | i am using etch right now. |
| 06:22.10 | peterS | ahh, ok |
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| 06:22.33 | peterS | note, btw (this is a common point of confusion), amd64 is not at all the same as ia64. the latter is Intel/HP Itanium. |
| 06:22.37 | Guerin | it's a silicon image SII0680ACL144 |
| 06:22.43 | knowall | any 64-bit application available under Linux? |
| 06:22.54 | peterS | knowall: all the 10000 applications in Debian are 64-bit |
| 06:22.54 | Guerin | my questions are: any good? linuxworhty? etc. |
| 06:23.14 | knowall | really? tha't great. |
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| 06:23.42 | knowall | peterS: any recommendation for solid modelling? |
| 06:23.44 | peterS | knowall: well, I should say _most_ of them. there are still apps, like OpenOffice.org, which don't sit well with 64-bit processors, so that's not natively available in etch amd64 at this time |
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| 06:24.25 | peterS | knowall: CAD, you mean, or artistic? for the latter there's Blender, but for the former there is _no_ free software that can come anywhere close to CATIA or SolidWorks or Pro/E |
| 06:24.48 | omry|work | peterS: at diagnostics mode, when I do /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid start, it still does not find the other raid arrays. |
| 06:25.03 | peterS | knowall: Pro/E has been available for Linux for many years now but I have no idea of what Parametric's up to these days, and I don't know if they have compiled it native for 64-bit amd64 |
| 06:25.05 | omry|work | peterS: so I am pretty sure my problem will not be solved by going this way. |
| 06:25.06 | knowall | i am thinking of CAD |
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| 06:25.48 | peterS | knowall: the state of free software CAD is really pathetic, like it makes Autocad look _good_. so I guess you'll need something proprietary and expensive and I don't know what all is available there either, aside from Pro/E |
| 06:25.49 | knowall | what about mathematical software? are Mathematical or Maple available for Linux? |
| 06:26.48 | peterS | knowall: both mathematica and maple are available. in free software land, you get 'octave', which is a pretty decent clone of Matlab |
| 06:26.50 | Guerin | peterS: gwan, qcad is teh rox0rz! |
| 06:27.08 | peterS | Guerin: yeah if you think MS Paint is a contender in the Photoshop space |
| 06:27.16 | Guerin | omg it is! |
| 06:27.23 | Guerin | who needs to make pngs anyway?> |
| 06:27.34 | omry|work | yeah, it doesn't work with IE anyway. |
| 06:27.35 | peterS | it's an apt comparison. only someone who hasn't seen Photoshop could take it seriously. same with qcad, last I looked at that. |
| 06:27.36 | omry|work | so wtf. |
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| 06:27.56 | knowall | great, something close to Matlab would be fine for me. |
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| 06:28.29 | peterS | knowall: I'm not actually a matlab user, but I believe octave has quite a lot of the same functionality, if not most of it. |
| 06:28.53 | knowall | thks, i'll find out more. |
| 06:29.33 | peterS | knowall: I'm not sure if it has the exotic stuff like interfaces to all those $2000 A/D scientific data collection boards |
| 06:32.03 | omry|work | no raid commander here that can tell me why my kernel wont properly autodetect all arrays? |
| 06:32.37 | peterS | omry|work: one common reason would be if you don't have your raid stripes as regular partitions in a partition table, marked as type 0xFD |
| 06:33.01 | peterS | omry|work: for example if you just take two whole disks, _not_ partition them, and raid-1 the suckers together, the kernel won't detect that |
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| 06:35.12 | omry|work | peterS: that could be it: my partitions are logical, not primary |
| 06:35.21 | omry|work | you think its could cause it? |
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| 06:35.47 | peterS | omry|work: well, those should still be detected, so that's probably not it. but in various ways, the kernel raid autodetect code is not as robust as what you can get with mdadm |
| 06:37.20 | omry|work | peterS: there is something a bit fishy: when I do fdisk -l in maint mode, I see only md2, and not the two drivers, and fdisk tells me it has no partition table. (which is correct and fine by me). does this shed any light on the problem? |
| 06:37.40 | liable | cool, windex works great on my lcd, its mucho brighto |
| 06:38.00 | peterS | omry|work: 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' or whatever - that does not show any partitions? |
| 06:38.20 | omry|work | peterS: no. the drives are not even in dev. |
| 06:38.54 | omry|work | peterS: but I do see reference to them in /sys/block |
| 06:39.09 | peterS | omry|work: so that's a little weird, like what sort of disk controller are these things plugged into? is _that_ driver loaded? |
| 06:39.28 | peterS | oh you said you _do_ see reference in /sys/block, my bad |
| 06:39.33 | omry|work | peterS: its an onboard SATA controller. |
| 06:39.54 | omry|work | peterS: its more than that: I see ALL the files on the root partition (on raid), so the driver must be working. |
| 06:40.11 | omry|work | the root array is detected properly. |
| 06:40.13 | peterS | omry|work: so the lack of files in /dev can be blamed on udev if you are in that mood |
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| 06:40.42 | omry|work | peterS: in the mood to blame udev? |
| 06:40.57 | peterS | yes |
| 06:41.01 | peterS | it's something that comes and goes |
| 06:41.12 | omry|work | I am in the mood to sovle it :) |
| 06:41.36 | peterS | I don't deal in udev (I keep it off my machines, I don't really trust it) so I'm not really in a position to help you dig through _that_ possibility |
| 06:42.01 | omry|work | peterS: maybe some guidance as to how to get rid of it? |
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| 06:42.43 | Guerin | you still don't trust it eh |
| 06:42.56 | omry|work | Guerin: I think I can see why not :) |
| 06:43.22 | peterS | Guerin: it still hasn't been 6 months since I have heard someone whine about how udev stole their bread |
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| 06:43.39 | omry|work | and kidnaped their children. |
| 06:43.49 | omry|work | and killed their dog. |
| 06:44.02 | peterS | oh, udev rarely goes _that_ far |
| 06:44.06 | omry|work | :) |
| 06:44.43 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:44.47 | peterS | omry|work: one thing to ponder is whether you've got an updated udev from backports.org to match your updated kernel. the udev in sarge may not work too happily with 2.6.14, it's designed for kernels older than 2.6.12 or so |
| 06:44.54 | Guerin | as long as it doesn't steal my beer |
| 06:45.09 | omry|work | peterS: ah, that can be it.. I dont remember I updated udev. |
| 06:45.14 | omry|work | trying. |
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| 06:45.32 | peterS | omry|work: also note that the upgrade path is anything but smooth: the new udev _won't work_ on older kernels |
| 06:45.34 | omry|work | peterS: I mean, I DID do dist-upgrade |
| 06:45.56 | omry|work | peterS: should I explictly install a new one? |
| 06:46.15 | peterS | omry|work: so wait, you're on etch or what? from your kernel version I got this idea it was sarge + backports.org |
| 06:46.32 | omry|work | peterS: your idea was correct. |
| 06:46.33 | Guerin | 51.7979 USD for a p4 2.0 northwood |
| 06:46.47 | omry|work | sarge+bacports |
| 06:46.50 | omry|work | backports |
| 06:46.59 | Guerin | good deal or not? |
| 06:47.41 | peterS | omry|work: normally you don't use 'dist-upgrade' with backports.org, you pull in updates on an as-needed basis. the way they tell you to set it up, dist-upgrade won't do anything at all |
| 06:48.08 | omry|work | peterS: as a policy for the backports repositry, I guess? |
| 06:48.37 | peterS | omry|work: these days on the backports.org server, it even marks the repository as "by default do not install these things" |
| 06:48.40 | peterS | anyway, check 'apt-cache policy udev' and then do 'apt-get install udev/sarge-backports' if you do not already have it |
| 06:48.58 | liable | anyone have clues on buring a big mob of avis's to dvd? my dvd player doesnt like it when theres more than one avi on a disk |
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| 06:49.09 | liable | s/buring/burning/ |
| 06:49.10 | peterS | you'll notice with 'apt-cache policy' that things in sarge-backports are like priority 1, compared to priority 500 for what you already have installed |
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| 06:50.41 | Guerin | liable: different directories? |
| 06:51.14 | Guerin | liable: is it a hardware player, like a dvdcr? |
| 06:51.43 | omry|work | peterS: I am in the installed system (chroot from knoppix). what do I install? 'udev' ? |
| 06:51.48 | liable | Guerin: yeah, hardware that supports divx/xvid |
| 06:51.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:52.00 | Guerin | good luck with that |
| 06:52.03 | peterS | omry|work: if you don't already have udev installed, I wouldn't. I don't trust it. |
| 06:52.08 | liable | Guerin: i just growisofs'ed the dir to a dvd |
| 06:52.18 | liable | Guerin: it doesnt like it |
| 06:52.21 | omry|work | peterS: its not installed. |
| 06:52.22 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 06:52.27 | peterS | omry|work: then that isn't your problem |
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| 06:52.42 | omry|work | peterS: what populate the static /dev then? |
| 06:52.44 | omry|work | the kernel? |
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| 06:52.54 | omry|work | than |
| 06:52.55 | peterS | omry|work: the 'MAKEDEV' command. try 'MAKEDEV sd' |
| 06:53.10 | peterS | omry|work: errrrrrr ... 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV sd' |
| 06:53.36 | liable | maybe if i growisofs /foo/* might work.. |
| 06:53.39 | omry|work | peterS: hmmmm, it tells me .udevdb is there. |
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| 06:53.42 | omry|work | which is strange. |
| 06:53.57 | omry|work | because apt-cache policy udev tells me its not installed. |
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| 06:54.03 | peterS | well, you installed using knoppix, I have no idea what state knoppix leaves your system in |
| 06:54.07 | peterS | shrug |
| 06:54.27 | peterS | MAKEDEV thinks udev is running, 'dpkg -l udev' thinks it is not installed, huh? |
| 06:54.40 | omry|work | peterS: ah, I think its because my /dev is bound to knoppix /dev |
| 06:54.41 | omry|work | sec. |
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| 06:55.23 | utab | I had a printer problem, when i installed the printer by the GUI, it printed the test page without problems but now no output on the device |
| 06:56.12 | peterS | omry|work: yeah, back in a few minutes |
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| 06:58.17 | omry|work | peterS: you think I should be able to run MAKEDEV from the diagnostics mode? |
| 06:58.36 | omry|work | I am having some issues trying to run it from the chrooted system. |
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| 07:00.46 | liable | utab: using which command? |
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| 07:01.04 | liable | utab: or from what app? can you still print test pages? |
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| 07:02.03 | brownie17 | what is the "xshape extension" and how will it affect my video playback? |
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| 07:03.09 | lekstuga | hi, I wonder how to turn off the sound notification ("beep") when autocomplete in bash. |
| 07:03.41 | pinky_ | Can H.264 (MPEG-4 AVC) be considered a "free" format for video because free software encoder and decoders exist? |
| 07:04.13 | pinky_ | Or is it still encumbered by patents (kind of like AAC having free codecs but still non-free)? |
| 07:04.30 | peterS | omry|work: oughta work fine |
| 07:04.33 | tralala | brownie17: I think this question is best answered experimentally. |
| 07:04.35 | insmod | pinky_: xvid is still way better -- i did testing on them both |
| 07:04.49 | pinky_ | insmod: That wasn't my question. |
| 07:04.58 | omry|work | peterS: it did. now it started to do runlevel2, but hang after cron. |
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| 07:05.07 | omry|work | peterS: I got the following errors: |
| 07:05.19 | omry|work | INIT: id "1" respawing too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 07:05.28 | insmod | pinky_: lol just saying |
| 07:05.30 | omry|work | that for "1" thrugh "6" |
| 07:05.43 | omry|work | and finally : no more processes left in this runlevel. |
| 07:06.03 | peterS | omry|work: something's pretty screwy with your install. I have no idea what. |
| 07:06.36 | omry|work | peterS: can I boot with verbose debug messages? |
| 07:06.39 | omry|work | it might help. |
| 07:06.39 | pinky_ | insmod: That's fine, I appreciate your input and all, but I still would like to know whether or not H.264 can be considered a free video codec. For the time being I use XviD myself (with Vorbis audio in a Matroska container) |
| 07:06.56 | omry|work | peterS: I think we are making progress. |
| 07:07.06 | peterS | omry|work: I don't know that debian init scripts have a verbose mode |
| 07:07.07 | omry|work | I saw it detected the raid devices now. |
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| 07:07.27 | omry|work | peterS: so maybe I can step them? |
| 07:08.03 | peterS | not that I'm aware of |
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| 07:09.00 | omry|work | peterS: hmm, it might actually be mdadm-raid conflicting with the kernel detection |
| 07:09.17 | peterS | omry|work: it's possible. I don't know how those two interact. |
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| 07:09.30 | rixth | Hi there, I have a RAID1 setup (very new) I made it with mdadm --create --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc. I rebooted, now my raid array is gone, now can I get it back WITHOUT losing data? |
| 07:09.51 | peterS | omry|work: though, honestly, I would expect that mdadm would just detect whichever arrays were not already active from the kernel's detection pass |
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| 07:10.20 | omry|work | peterS: true. I doubt its it. but its a thing to try. |
| 07:10.47 | Lateralus | I have a 64 bit box with a 32 bit install using testing, why would it attempt to install 64 bit libs when I try to apt-get install gcc-4.1? |
| 07:10.54 | insmod | pinky_: it is free -- just not how you would understand it -- it is not under GNU -- i can't remember the lic. |
| 07:10.56 | utab | liable, actually I am using ubuntu |
| 07:11.03 | utab | liable, |
| 07:11.21 | utab | liable, I have tested that with pdf documents |
| 07:11.22 | streuner_ | #ubuntu |
| 07:11.24 | Tallu | utab: what are you doing here then? |
| 07:11.31 | Tallu | !tell utab about ubuntu |
| 07:11.47 | insmod | utab: acroread? |
| 07:11.58 | pinky_ | ismod: Well there's the format itself, and the implementation of it... two separate issues. I know x264 is a free implementation, but is the format encumbered by patents? |
| 07:12.05 | rixth | YOu guys know that Debian people come to #ubuntu for help, too. Do we shun them away? Of course not. |
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| 07:12.32 | deadcat | rixth: we dont know. |
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| 07:12.45 | insmod | pinky_: i think |
| 07:12.52 | liable | rixth: i used to idle in #ubuntu for some time, and debian questions certainly werent tolerated there |
| 07:12.52 | sponzor | how to add "pump -i eth0" to startup? |
| 07:13.22 | insmod | pinky_: read about it a long time ago -- just wnt with xvid -- sorry |
| 07:13.23 | rixth | liable, hmm, I'm not sure how long ago that was, I see a fair few these days |
| 07:13.24 | peterS | sponzor: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add a line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and another line "auto eth0" |
| 07:13.33 | sponzor | k |
| 07:13.46 | peterS | sponzor: that will run pump if it's available, though the default is to run dhcpcd if that's available, since it's a better client |
| 07:14.35 | sponzor | so i do auto eth0 in there? |
| 07:14.53 | Kevin` | what's better, dhcpcd or dhclient? |
| 07:15.07 | streuner | can't compare |
| 07:15.23 | sponzor | tnx |
| 07:15.31 | peterS | sponzor: 'auto eth0' means that eth0 should be started at boot time. 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' means to use the 'dhcpcd' or 'pump' program (whichever is available) to start eth0. |
| 07:15.35 | liable | Kevin`: one is a daemon for handing out dhcp, the other is a client |
| 07:15.46 | peterS | liable: wrong, they are both clients |
| 07:15.48 | sponzor | ok i get it now :P |
| 07:15.49 | peterS | liable: you are thinking of dhcpd |
| 07:15.58 | Kevin` | dhcpcd is a client too liable |
| 07:16.10 | liable | peterS: oh, right, my apaologies |
| 07:16.16 | liable | apologies too |
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| 07:17.10 | streuner | Kevin: most people just use dhclient, what's wrong with it? |
| 07:17.22 | Kevin` | that's what i |
| 07:17.26 | Kevin` | that's what i'm asking.. |
| 07:18.25 | liable | i have found dhcp3-client worked where dhclient didnt |
| 07:18.38 | streuner | or pump :-) |
| 07:18.57 | streuner | but usually it just works fine... |
| 07:18.58 | liable | yeah, thats the other better alternative apparently |
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| 07:19.31 | peterS | it's strange. DHCP is _not_ all that complex of a protocol. I'm surprised there are all these compatibility issues that mandate having multiple client implementations |
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| 07:20.44 | Nowak | peterS: uh, i dont think so ;) |
| 07:21.08 | streuner | it would be interesting why "deadrat" created pump at all, yes. |
| 07:21.44 | peterS | streuner: the story I seem to remember is that they needed something smaller and simpler than ISC |
| 07:22.23 | Nowak | smaller and simpler ... meaning not fully compatible |
| 07:22.55 | peterS | I wonder if the same compatibility maze will plague DHCPv6. possibly not since DHCPv6 won't even be all that widely used, thanks to stateless autoconfiguration with router advertisements |
| 07:22.59 | streuner | peterS: well, the last time i had problems with DHCP, everybody said "use pump" here :-) |
| 07:23.34 | omry|work | how can I debug the run levels? my system hangs at runlevel 2. |
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| 07:24.56 | tralala | omry|work: check the processes that are respawning. See if they report anything in the logs. Try to run them manually and see if they will present you with an error message. |
| 07:24.56 | kergoth | quick question.. debian unstable, upgraded from an etch install, apt doesnt seem to be making use of hte contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d. If there's an empty sources.list, then apt-get update does nothing at all, despite the numerous files in sources.list.d |
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| 07:25.14 | kergoth | is there an apt.conf option i need to set to make that function? |
| 07:25.26 | omry|work | tralala: how can I check? during boot It can't do top or ps. |
| 07:25.44 | peterS | kergoth: 'man sources.list' |
| 07:25.56 | tralala | omry|work: boot it in single user mode |
| 07:26.09 | omry|work | tralala: you mean 'recovery' mode in the grub menu? |
| 07:26.29 | omry|work | I am there. now what? |
| 07:26.38 | tralala | omry|work: uhm, I think so |
| 07:26.52 | tralala | omry|work: now follow the guidelines |
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| 07:27.16 | omry|work | what guidlines? |
| 07:27.22 | tralala | mine |
| 07:27.22 | kergoth | peterS: aha, i had done so, but missed the filename requirement. i presume that was a relateively recent introduction |
| 07:27.24 | omry|work | :) |
| 07:27.26 | kergoth | peterS: thanks |
| 07:27.27 | omry|work | shooot. |
| 07:27.46 | peterS | kergoth: I don't know, I don't use sources.list.d so I didn't know about the specific requirements |
| 07:28.01 | tralala | omry|work: look up the screen and you will find them |
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| 07:28.22 | insmod | omry|work: look in /etc/rcx then edit inittab se if if loads in 2 |
| 07:29.15 | insmod | # The default runlevel. --- id:2:initdefault: |
| 07:29.52 | omry|work | insmod: /etc/rcx = /etc/rc2.d in my case? |
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| 07:30.19 | insmod | omry|work: you said 2 works -- so no |
| 07:30.46 | insmod | omry|work: does it hang at 2 or going to 3? |
| 07:30.48 | omry|work | insmod: I dont know it works. it starts, but hang I never see rc3 (or other) |
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| 07:31.16 | insmod | omry|work: where does it stop what do you see |
| 07:31.31 | omry|work | insmod: last thing I see it that its starting cron |
| 07:31.46 | pinky_ | Is it just me or is it kind of odd that the frequency of occurence of messages in this channel flows at a fairly constant rate that is pleanantly readable yet also happens to allow efficient answering of others' questions? |
| 07:31.49 | pinky_ | I mean it's not as if everyone in the world happens to have a Debian-related question (or, admittedly, many Debian users with non-Debian-specific questions as well) to ask at just the right times to maintain this flow on purpose... |
| 07:31.56 | omry|work | than after a while it said that some processes are respawning too fast, and its disabling them for 5 minutes or so. |
| 07:32.00 | insmod | omry|work: then? |
| 07:32.17 | Kevin` | pinky_ irc magic |
| 07:32.25 | omry|work | and finally : no more processes left in this runlevel. |
| 07:32.39 | Kevin` | it isn't always that way, though |
| 07:32.49 | insmod | omry|work: then what do you see |
| 07:32.55 | Kevin` | depends on the time of day, weekday/weekend |
| 07:32.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:32.57 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:33.01 | insmod | omry|work: login? |
| 07:33.01 | omry|work | insmod: nothing. it just stays there. |
| 07:33.12 | omry|work | insmod: no. it appears stuck |
| 07:33.32 | omry|work | login would be soo nice. |
| 07:33.33 | tralala | tarzeau: do you have a script that is scheduled to say "!popcorn" every now and then? |
| 07:33.38 | insmod | omry|work: you appear to be missing cron or part of what it looks for |
| 07:33.49 | tarzeau | tralala: no i really do it manually when i feel like it |
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| 07:33.58 | omry|work | insmod: possible. its a very raw system. |
| 07:33.58 | tarzeau | tralala: i don't use any script on irc |
| 07:34.07 | omry|work | insmod: how do I find out what? |
| 07:34.17 | pinky_ | Kevin`: I was hoping for a... erm... better response than "irc magic" but I suppose that'll have to do. =P |
| 07:34.27 | tralala | tarzeau: for any particular reason or just because (I mean the !popcorn)? |
| 07:34.27 | omry|work | insmod: I got cron. |
| 07:34.35 | Kevin` | there's nothing specail forcing it to work out like it does |
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| 07:34.44 | tarzeau | tralala: for people to read about popularity contest, and install it |
| 07:34.46 | pinky_ | I'm aware. |
| 07:34.53 | pinky_ | But... it still seems odd at the same time. |
| 07:35.01 | insmod | omry|work: goto single user mode Runlevel 1 |
| 07:35.02 | pinky_ | That it could be like this so consistantly. |
| 07:35.07 | tralala | tarzeau: I see - you're advertising it. |
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| 07:35.21 | tralala | well, let me install it then |
| 07:35.21 | omry|work | insmod: I think I am there. |
| 07:35.29 | tarzeau | tralala: great :) |
| 07:35.31 | liable | pinky_: #debian is one of few channels that flows fairly constantly |
| 07:35.37 | insmod | omry|work: can you log in |
| 07:35.46 | rixth | mdadm is JUST software raid, yah? I have a 'raid controller' on my motherboard, how can I tell that it is not using that? |
| 07:35.47 | omry|work | insmod: in single user mode |
| 07:35.58 | omry|work | insmod: as root. |
| 07:36.10 | pinky_ | liable: I'm aware, and it struck me as odd that it is so. |
| 07:36.11 | tralala | tarzeau: I have four machines that run debian (actually five but the fifth is an abandoned woody) |
| 07:36.12 | insmod | omry|work: ya then remove cron and reboot |
| 07:36.20 | tarzeau | tralala: great! |
| 07:36.33 | tralala | so expect a statistical boost! ;)) |
| 07:36.40 | omry|work | insmod: done. rebooting. |
| 07:36.45 | liable | pinky_: its a popular channel, thats all there is to it :) |
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| 07:37.34 | insmod | omry|work: or you could init a new runlevel |
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| 07:37.47 | tralala | pinky_: if you hang around long enough you'll notice that there are plenty of "quiet times" |
| 07:37.58 | D-fence | Hi all |
| 07:38.10 | pinky_ | tralala: I've noticed them, but they are exceptions rather than the rule. |
| 07:38.22 | insmod | omry|work: i had to write a new init.d script so ndis would load on computers - lol |
| 07:38.28 | pinky_ | Unless the rule takes into account the exceptions... or something. |
| 07:38.37 | D-fence | Is it normal that I cannot find any "smp" version of the linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 ? |
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| 07:39.06 | tralala | pinky_: how do you define rule to exception hits? 99/1? 80/20? 60/40? |
| 07:39.29 | omry|work | insmod: it looks stuck again. this time I see: starting suslogs, klogd, inetd, sshd, mdadm -F, NET : registering protocol.., disabled privacy ext, ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling, and then the previos stuff, after a while: |
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| 07:40.01 | omry|work | INIT id "1" respawinign too fast, same for 2 through 6. and finally no more processes left on this runlevel. |
| 07:40.13 | insmod | omry|work: goto single user mode Runlevel 1 -- aptget -f install |
| 07:40.15 | pinky_ | tralala: While I've a good feel for the channel's flow at this point, I doubt I'd be able to calculate it to any degree of numerical accuracy. I suppose that would be best done with a bot and a small script. |
| 07:40.54 | omry|work | insmod: it could by a problem with the raid (mdadm), althoguh it looks good at single user mode. |
| 07:41.12 | insmod | omry|work: apt-get -f install |
| 07:41.23 | tralala | pinky_: my question was how do you define an exception, i.e. how often(rare) should something occure to be called an exception? |
| 07:41.26 | pinky_ | But it's still weird to me that it doesn't go way faster to a point of any sort of unreadability. |
| 07:41.36 | omry|work | insmod: didn't install anything. |
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| 07:41.52 | insmod | omry|work: apt-get install cron |
| 07:42.02 | jauoz | Hmm, what's happened to php5-mysqli and how can I install it? |
| 07:42.03 | tralala | pinky_: sometimes it does. At least too fast for me |
| 07:42.08 | omry|work | insmod: done. |
| 07:42.17 | D-fence | Is it normal that I cannot find any "smp" version of the linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 ? |
| 07:42.24 | insmod | omry|work: i would just reinstal everything that gave a prob |
| 07:42.46 | insmod | omry|work: try init 5 |
| 07:42.50 | omry|work | insmod: I dont know what gave the prob, what is id="1", id="2" etc? |
| 07:43.01 | liable | D-fence: yes, it appears there isnt one |
| 07:43.21 | insmod | omry|work: in what context |
| 07:43.39 | omry|work | insmod: thats the error messages I get after a while when its stuck. |
| 07:43.42 | liable | D-fence: no, i have no idea why there isnt :) |
| 07:44.07 | omry|work | INIT: id "1" respawing too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 07:44.34 | insmod | omry|work: and |
| 07:44.36 | tralala | tarzeau: how does the popcorn deal with machines that are mostly offline? |
| 07:44.40 | pinky_ | tralala: I know, and rather than answer that question outright, I thought it would be more useful to you if I gave the rate at which I believe the silence periods are occuring. And the fact that I wouldn't want to quantify (or even qualify) the answer unless I recorded the message rate with a script or watched the channel for lengthy periods of time. |
| 07:45.07 | Mitja | What is this package/lib called: "Subversion SWIG Python bindings" ? |
| 07:45.12 | pinky_ | But whenever I look at the channel it seems to be going at the same rate for the large majority of time. |
| 07:45.12 | omry|work | insmod: then : "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 07:45.34 | tarzeau | tralala: not sure, it's run by cron.weekly |
| 07:45.41 | insmod | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.47 | tarzeau | tralala: you want to reconfigure it to submit by http |
| 07:45.52 | tarzeau | tralala: and you can run the script manually |
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| 07:46.08 | liable | Mitja: aptitude search svn |
| 07:46.32 | Mitja | liable, they don't have "swig" in their names |
| 07:46.32 | pinky_ | Is 1.32 Etch and 1.33 Sid? |
| 07:46.33 | syntaxx | anyone here encountered installing wine 0.9.19 from source in debian sarge always doesnt have opengl32.dll? |
| 07:46.38 | adil | . |
| 07:46.42 | pinky_ | *Are (ahem) |
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| 07:47.04 | tralala | tarzeau: hmm, sarge doesn't ask for submition method |
| 07:47.16 | tarzeau | tralala: true, you want to use the one from www.backports.org |
| 07:47.36 | tralala | tarzeau: okay |
| 07:47.41 | liable | Mitja: shrug |
| 07:47.43 | Lateralus | Ugh |
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| 07:47.58 | tarzeau | tralala: even if you say dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest ? |
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| 07:48.24 | tralala | tarzeau: yep. Perhaps I should try with -plow? |
| 07:48.30 | tarzeau | yes maybe |
| 07:48.56 | tralala | nope, nothing. It only asks a yes/no question for participation. |
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| 07:49.36 | mitchell | hello |
| 07:49.48 | pinky_ | Popcon looks really really awesome |
| 07:49.56 | omry|work | insmod: I`ll try. |
| 07:50.08 | omry|work | insmod: I dont think it will help though. thanks for trying. |
| 07:50.45 | pinky_ | I like how x-86_64 overtakes IA-64 late last year... and they keep growing apart. |
| 07:51.00 | insmod | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.16 | omry|work | insmod: yes. and that something is silent as hell. |
| 07:51.40 | pinky_ | And it's interesting to see PPC riding strong into present. I guess this means x86 Mac owners keep Mac OS X? That would make sense... |
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| 07:52.08 | tralala | tarzeau: is the submition's number equivalent to the participant's number? |
| 07:52.29 | chris_abyi | hi. I once installed alsa from the debian repository, but after this, also compiled it myself. Now, both versions still seem to exist and I wonder how I could remove them all. Any hint? |
| 07:52.30 | tarzeau | tralala: i don't understand that question |
| 07:52.41 | omry|work | insmod: this is a new system I installed quite manually with debootstap from knopping, and it has raid1 for its file systems. my bet is that something is wrong there. |
| 07:52.42 | mitchell | weve had an powercut tonight, now my system is in a reboot loop, it starts up, does a fsck, asks me to remount in maintaince mode but then gives a msg "sulogin: cannot open password database!" and it reboots again :P, anyone got a solution? :P |
| 07:52.59 | pinky_ | tarzeau: In look at popcon's results, I don't understand the version numbers. Ware 1.32 Etch and 1.33 Sid? |
| 07:53.11 | pinky_ | And what on earth is 1.34? |
| 07:53.30 | tarzeau | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=popularity-contest |
| 07:53.42 | tarzeau | pinky_: 1.34 doesn't exist, some moron called his like that |
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| 07:54.03 | tarzeau | pinky_: 1.32 is nowhere anymore. stable has 1.28 |
| 07:54.09 | werdna | hempin aint easy |
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| 07:54.48 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Why doesn't it use the 3.0 woody, 3.1 sarge designation? |
| 07:54.56 | tralala | tarzeau: I wonder how many people participate in the contest. On the web page I can't see the participant's number, I only see the sumbition's number so I was wondering if you can judge the number of participants by the number of submitions. |
| 07:55.17 | tarzeau | pinky_: because the package version number is 1.18..1.33 and not woody, sarge etc |
| 07:55.28 | tarzeau | pinky_: those names are not absolute |
| 07:55.38 | tarzeau | pinky_: how would apt know if which of them is newer? |
| 07:55.51 | tarzeau | tralala: very bottom: Number of submissions considered: 14930 |
| 07:56.12 | tarzeau | tralala, pinky_ also check: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ |
| 07:56.26 | tarzeau | so there's 15 times more debian users that run popcon |
| 07:56.30 | tarzeau | than ubuntu users |
| 07:56.43 | tralala | tarzeau: I saw that, the question is does this mean that there are ~15000 participants or some participants have more than 1 submition? |
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| 07:56.44 | pinky_ | Haha, why's that? |
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| 07:57.12 | tarzeau | tralala: the submission needs be constant (once/week) |
| 07:57.17 | syntaxx | whats the apt for libgl1-mesa-dev? |
| 07:57.20 | tarzeau | tralala: if you stop submitting, the numbers go down |
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| 07:57.35 | pinky_ | I actually don't even know which is more popular, but I had the impression that Ubuntu overtook Debian in popularity around a year ago. |
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| 07:58.00 | tralala | find: /msg dpkg libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 07:58.10 | tralala | syntaxx: /msg dpkg find libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 07:58.30 | tarzeau | pinky_: that's what ubuntu says |
| 07:58.44 | tarzeau | pinky_: HP (www.hp.com) also says "we are the number #1 UNIX" |
| 07:58.49 | knowall | efax is giving me err msg that device is locked or waiting. anyone here uses efax with 56k usb modem? |
| 07:59.00 | tarzeau | pinky_: and SUN says we have the best UNIX |
| 07:59.40 | tarzeau | but really Apple does, since SUN didn't want OPENSTEP but Java |
| 08:00.10 | pinky_ | tarzea: How does that mean Mac OS X is the best Unix? I think many would disagree... |
| 08:00.22 | tarzeau | pinky_: it's got cocoa |
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| 08:00.36 | tarzeau | pinky_: name a better one |
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| 08:00.38 | cydork | trazeau, i wont compare HP-UX and linux ;) |
| 08:00.47 | tarzeau | cydork: oh you know, i wouldn't either |
| 08:00.58 | tarzeau | cydork: because linux is certainly not one of the best |
| 08:01.09 | tarzeau | cydork: and it's just a kernel, anyways |
| 08:01.13 | pinky_ | I don't unserstand how Cocoa makes Mac OS X the best. |
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| 08:01.26 | tarzeau | pinky_: it doesn't matter, it's ok |
| 08:01.29 | knowall | HP-UX is no good Linux? Why? |
| 08:01.42 | tarzeau | knowall: HP-UX is not just a kernel |
| 08:01.44 | pinky_ | I think GNU/Linux wins for the sheer amount of Free software. |
| 08:02.01 | tarzeau | pinky_: suddenly you talk about free software |
| 08:02.08 | tarzeau | pinky_: but there's also hardware |
| 08:02.13 | knowall | of course it is not, does that not make it a Linux? |
| 08:02.15 | cydork | pinky_, these are differnet issues. |
| 08:02.19 | tarzeau | pinky_: and linux is stuck where UNIX was stuck 20 years ago |
| 08:02.37 | tarzeau | pinky_: you might only understand if you run Mac OS X (or OPENSTEP) for a month |
| 08:02.47 | tarzeau | (or even NeXTSTEP) |
| 08:02.48 | knowall | tarzeau: stuck in what way? |
| 08:02.53 | tarzeau | knowall: in many ways |
| 08:02.59 | knowall | examples? |
| 08:03.04 | tarzeau | knowall: handling hardware, handling users. have you tried GNU/Hurd? |
| 08:03.06 | tralala | it's worse stuck in hardware support |
| 08:03.13 | tarzeau | knowall: limits, that still exist |
| 08:03.29 | tarzeau | knowall: look i've got lots of memory, and if i type ls in a shell and i must use xargs as a workaround, this sucks |
| 08:03.32 | bionoid | Don't be involving HURD in anything.. |
| 08:03.37 | tarzeau | knowall: and that's just one little small thing among MANY |
| 08:04.07 | tarzeau | bionoid: i was putting Hurd in a good light |
| 08:04.07 | knowall | tarzeau: lots of memory, like? |
| 08:04.07 | pinky_ | tarzeau: I think you're argueing about a matter of personal choice, even if we ignore the freedom aspect (which I believe is the most important of all). |
| 08:04.15 | tarzeau | knowall: 5 GB |
| 08:04.47 | tarzeau | pinky_: no i'm arguing about "being the best thing" for "the user" |
| 08:04.49 | pinky_ | I don't know if the arguments that "Mac OS X has Cocoa" and "just use it for a month... trust me" are very good arguements. |
| 08:04.53 | knowall | tarzeau: u r talking about 32-bit linux. 64-bit version will solve that. |
| 08:05.07 | tralala | pinky_: the freedom aspect is important to geeks like me - who is willing to spend an awful lot of time to do things that should really only take minutes. |
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| 08:05.16 | tarzeau | pinky_: because it's hard to explain, and you might get it , when you try |
| 08:05.23 | knowall | any 32-bit os will have your type of memory problem. |
| 08:05.30 | tarzeau | knowall: no, it won't solve the problem about ls * |
| 08:05.39 | tarzeau | knowall: even if you put 64 gb memory into the computer |
| 08:05.45 | tarzeau | knowall: linux will always have this suckyness |
| 08:05.53 | tarzeau | knowall: it's a hardcoded limit |
| 08:05.57 | tarzeau | knowall: it's not dynamic enough |
| 08:06.09 | tarzeau | knowall: i'm not talking about 2gb memory problems |
| 08:06.11 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Oohhh, you mean for people who don't know about computers and are not interested in them? |
| 08:06.11 | tralala | but there are all these people who (you know) have other things to do than play around with computers. You can only win them by allowing them to get the job done as quickly and as easily as possible. This is why they buy macs. |
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| 08:06.16 | tarzeau | knowall: i'm talking about 20mb memory problems |
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| 08:06.30 | tarzeau | pinky_: yes the "general kind of users" |
| 08:06.39 | knowall | os is software. even hard-code can be re-written. |
| 08:06.46 | syntaxx | im trying to install wine 0.9.19 from source for 3 times now but i cant seem find the package to get GL.h im using debian sarge |
| 08:06.53 | tarzeau | pinky_: i believe computers can be perfect tool for advanced users, as well as easily users for other people |
| 08:06.55 | pinky_ | tarzeau; i didnt realize you were talking about *them*. I thought you were saying that Mac OS X was just plain better than any distribution of GNU/Linux. |
| 08:06.59 | tarzeau | pinky_: by just being consistent |
| 08:07.06 | tarzeau | pinky_: but look at KDE/GNOME, a nightmare |
| 08:07.12 | knowall | tarzeau: 20mb memory problem, for LInux? |
| 08:07.14 | tarzeau | pinky_: i still do |
| 08:07.16 | tarzeau | knowall: yes |
| 08:07.26 | tarzeau | knowall: create 20000 files in a directory and run ls * |
| 08:07.27 | knowall | what problem is there? |
| 08:07.29 | pinky_ | tarzeau: That's not really a nightmare if a distro just picks a default and stays with it. |
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| 08:08.00 | tarzeau | pinky_: yes it is, if those default limits hinder my work |
| 08:08.04 | vlt | Hello. Strange NAT behavior here on iptables v1.2.11 (Debian Sarge): I have a rule "-t nat -I POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE". Behind the router there's an asterisk machine sending out UDP packts on SIP port 5060. Every night my external IP on ppp0 changes. But until I stop asterisk for about 2 minutes all UDP packets are sent out by iptables *from* yesterday's IP address. WTF?!? |
| 08:08.11 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Then just get them to use one distribution, and stick with it. That's what they do now, anyway. (and yes different distros whould be considered different OSes) |
| 08:08.29 | tarzeau | pinky_: and i believe into platform independence |
| 08:08.45 | knowall | tarzeau: you can always split your stuff into more dirs. |
| 08:08.52 | tarzeau | pinky_: because hardware changes, and sometimes you can't buy these or those parts (or even software) |
| 08:08.58 | tarzeau | knowall: man you don't get it |
| 08:08.58 | bionoid | vlt: Can't you get a static ip address? |
| 08:08.59 | pinky_ | tarzeau: I think that will improve over time. I give computer-retarded (members of my family and freinds) Ubuntu all the time and they love it and find it super-easy. |
| 08:09.07 | tarzeau | knowall: yes you can, but sometimes you don't want to |
| 08:09.11 | bionoid | vlt: Getting a new lease every day seems horribly inefficient |
| 08:09.16 | tarzeau | knowall: I am the user. it's not me being the computer for the computer |
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| 08:09.30 | knowall | tarzeau: in that case, u r the problem. |
| 08:09.40 | tarzeau | pinky_: oh that's really not the case for my retarded users |
| 08:09.44 | tarzeau | knowall: no i'm not |
| 08:09.47 | pinky_ | tarzeau: My sister used Macs her whole life up to Mac OS 10.3, and after using ubuntu for five minutes she exclaimed: "Wow, this is REALLY user friendly!" |
| 08:09.54 | tarzeau | knowall: it's you, because your view is very narrow |
| 08:09.56 | knowall | YES, U R! |
| 08:10.10 | tarzeau | knowall: i have seen better systems, and i know it's possible to be alot much better |
| 08:10.21 | knowall | tarzeau: name them. |
| 08:10.25 | tarzeau | knowall: but you just feel pissed because you love the oh-so-cool-linux |
| 08:10.32 | tarzeau | knowall: i did, and you tell me they don't exist |
| 08:10.40 | tarzeau | albeit i've shown and told you how to recreate |
| 08:10.44 | knowall | no, u haven't name any. |
| 08:10.59 | tarzeau | knowall: create a directory, make 10000 files run ls * in it |
| 08:11.09 | tarzeau | knowall: can you do that? otherwise i can tell you how |
| 08:11.10 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Of course it's possible to get much better. GNU/Linux *is* getting better, all the time! Look at Ubuntu now compared to the landscape just five years ago. Now think five years from NOW... |
| 08:11.23 | knowall | tarzeau: u don't have same problem with Mac, Win,? |
| 08:11.40 | mech422 | Hi all - I'm having a problem with software raid-1 on Etch. I have to md devices, md0 == /boot, and md1 == /. If I power down the machine and pull a drive, the machine won't boot unattended - the kernel leaves md0 as 'inactive' (md1 comes up properly - active, 1 failed drive). This causes fsck to bomb, and the single-user 'maintenance mode' prompt to come up |
| 08:11.43 | tarzeau | pinky_: sometimes if getting better is not fast enough... it'll just sink down the lake like a rock |
| 08:11.50 | tarzeau | knowall: not so with Hurd |
| 08:11.57 | mech422 | anyone know how I get md0 to get started so the machine boots ? |
| 08:12.02 | tarzeau | knowall: and same for OPENSTEP with some different issues i have with linux, unix |
| 08:12.04 | pinky_ | tarzeau: You'd be 100% naive to think GNU/Linux is going to sink like a rock. |
| 08:12.06 | tarzeau | knowall: or the GUIs |
| 08:12.18 | tarzeau | pinky_: aha |
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| 08:12.32 | pinky_ | tarzeau: GNU/Linux is not only more popular than ever, it's more accesable than ever. |
| 08:12.42 | tarzeau | pinky_: you know, popularity ... |
| 08:12.44 | knowall | tarzeau: u r handling info wrongly. don't lump thme into one monolith. organise them into hierarchy. they can be accessed more logically and efficiently that wayt. |
| 08:12.46 | tarzeau | it's just popularity |
| 08:13.05 | pinky_ | I've walked through people downloading and installing Ubuntu over IRC, and most of my friends/family use it and love it. |
| 08:13.12 | tarzeau | pinky_: nice |
| 08:13.23 | mech422 | knowall: or just use rieser - I've tested reiser3 with 100K's of files |
| 08:13.25 | tralala | knowall: the computer is supposed to solve problems. The better it does the job the easier it is for the user to have the important job done without dealing with unnessecairy details. And I have to say that currently it's mac osx that gets closest to "just work". Although I don't think it will stay there if it grows more popular. |
| 08:13.41 | tarzeau | mech422: it wasn't about performance |
| 08:13.44 | knowall | mech422: tell it to tarzan. |
| 08:13.45 | vlt | bionoid: It worked fine for 4 years now. And there are several things connected from the outside (IPSec, OpenVPN ...) using a dyndns name to connect. It sounds a bit ridiculous to get a static IP address only because of an *outgoing* connection ... |
| 08:13.48 | tarzeau | mech422: it's a limit about the shell |
| 08:13.49 | knowall | sorry, tarzeau |
| 08:13.56 | tarzeau | knowall: it'll not solve the problem |
| 08:14.13 | tarzeau | mech422: do you have a directory with that many files? |
| 08:14.31 | pinky_ | Well, for the average user, I'm of the opinion that Ubuntu is far better than Windows ever was (and is with Vista). |
| 08:14.42 | knowall | tralala: what u need is a computer for dummies. |
| 08:14.47 | mech422 | tarzeau: I did benchmarks for a mail spool where I created 100's of thousands of files with reiser3 - then did read/write/delete testing on them |
| 08:14.58 | vlt | [iptables NAT] Why does iptables send those packets from a wrong address? |
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| 08:15.04 | tarzeau | mech422: but did you run ls * there? |
| 08:15.22 | tralala | knowall: we all need one. It will help us do better things with our time than fight with the computer. |
| 08:15.22 | mech422 | tarzeau: Um know - I know about the 65K shell limit on args |
| 08:15.28 | mech422 | s/know/no/ |
| 08:15.35 | tarzeau | mech422: that's what i'm talking about |
| 08:15.49 | tarzeau | mech422: it's very unix/linux specific |
| 08:15.51 | tralala | knowall: by the way I need an awful lot of stuff for dummies - a stove, a washing machine, a car... you name it |
| 08:15.53 | knowall | tralala: simple tools are also poor performing ones. |
| 08:15.55 | pinky_ | As for Mac OS X, well, the fact that it's proprietary works two ways. Most people don't like shelling out for Macs, plain and simple. Mac OS X comes with a hefty price tag (especially for current Windows users: they need to buy a new machine with the OS!), but GNU/Linux can be downloaded and installed for free as in beer to replace Windows. |
| 08:16.28 | mech422 | tarzeau: not really - doze has a much smaller shell limit (at least prior to 2k) |
| 08:16.33 | liable | stop using the free beer analogy |
| 08:16.43 | tarzeau | mech422: Hurd has a much larger one |
| 08:16.50 | tarzeau | liable: thank you |
| 08:16.56 | pinky_ | That's why GNU/Linux is growing faster... people are spreading distributions manually onto i386 former-Windows machines like wildfire (compared to before). |
| 08:17.04 | tarzeau | liable: i tried to explain, but i failed |
| 08:17.05 | knowall | liable: free as in freedom, ok with u? |
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| 08:17.23 | liable | knowall: yes, thats fine |
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| 08:17.27 | tralala | knowall: performance has different aspects. If I'm spared the effort to cook I can happily sacrifise the cooking performance of the chief cook. |
| 08:17.28 | knowall | hahaaa |
| 08:17.31 | liable | there is no such thing as free beer |
| 08:17.32 | pinky_ | liable: Why? I was specifying that Mac OS X costs money. |
| 08:17.52 | pinky_ | liable: Firstly there is. Secondly, that's the point. |
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| 08:18.03 | liable | pinky_: i just find that saying rediculous |
| 08:18.07 | bionoid | vlt: True that. |
| 08:18.10 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 08:18.14 | liable | pinky_: whoever coined it should be shoit |
| 08:18.18 | liable | shot |
| 08:18.25 | tralala | pinky_: linux costs either money or time. Some say they are the same thing. |
| 08:18.27 | pinky_ | liable: And I just gave two exmaples countering your reason why. |
| 08:18.36 | mech422 | anyway - anyone know why the kernel leaves arrays with failed drives in 'inactive' state? I really don't want to run to the co-lo just to type in the root password :-P |
| 08:18.39 | xria | so guys, "apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox gdm" will set me up with a fluxbox, and a gnome display manager, right? |
| 08:18.46 | pinky_ | tralala: Not if you get that geek friend or family member or yours to just do it for you. |
| 08:18.56 | xria | err, not display manage |
| 08:19.00 | xria | login manager |
| 08:19.18 | liable | xria: gdm is a display manager |
| 08:19.31 | xria | ? |
| 08:19.37 | pinky_ | tralala: Also, it's picking up adoption in the corporate sector. It's true that the residential sectors are still largely a grassroots effort (but growing) due to lack of OEMs shipping it default installed. |
| 08:19.41 | Mitja | How do I get rid off "DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::SpacerItem', <> line 1 during global destruction." displaying every time I install something? |
| 08:19.41 | knowall | the simple fact is, no OS will be good enough foever if it is not updated with time. i am sure that the shortcomings of Linux will be addressed to meet future demand or it will just go obsolete. simple. |
| 08:19.48 | tralala | pinky_: this is not without a cost either as long as you don't define the term "friend" as "slave" |
| 08:19.53 | xria | liable: I just want fluxbox, and gnome login |
| 08:19.57 | pinky_ | tralala: But that can happen at any time. I'd like to see them try to ship Mac OS X. |
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| 08:20.15 | Siddharta | i don't understand : when i make a 'top' before lauching all my apps in order to work i have 728 M free RAM on my laptop, at the end of the day when i've closed all my apps , top says i've got only 128 M free of RAM |
| 08:20.15 | mech422 | pinky_: my new supermicro server actually has 'linux support' settings for some of the bios options :-P |
| 08:20.21 | Siddharta | how is ti possible |
| 08:20.25 | Siddharta | ? |
| 08:20.27 | liable | xria: what you said before was fine, that should get you exactly that |
| 08:20.38 | xria | liable: thanks =D |
| 08:20.53 | pinky_ | tralala: Slave? I typically install Ubuntu on their machines, run EasyUbuntu for them, show them Synaptic and send them on their way. I don't need to play tech support. |
| 08:20.56 | mech422 | Siddharta: Prolly caching - *nix will use as much memory as it can get for disk caches... |
| 08:21.03 | xria | liable: fluxbox menu is funny editable and such, correct? |
| 08:21.18 | xria | liable: fully |
| 08:21.19 | pinky_ | mech422: Supermicro? Is this a company? |
| 08:21.21 | mech422 | Siddharta: as the day goes on, it caches more and more stuff for you, using more and more memory - it will free the memory if you run low though |
| 08:21.25 | xria | liable: typo night |
| 08:21.35 | liable | xria: its a bit of a pain to set up, i believe, dunno i am not into ultra light wm's |
| 08:21.36 | mech422 | pinky_: Yeah - they do 1U servers |
| 08:21.47 | Mitja | Anyone? |
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| 08:22.29 | Siddharta | mech422: what do you mean by 'if you run low though' (excuse me some times it's difficult for me to translate) |
| 08:22.36 | tralala | pinky_: and you think this all an ordinary user will ever need? To use synaptic? Wait until one of your friends decides to buy a piece of hardware with the expectaion to just hook it up to the pc and have it work. |
| 08:22.50 | liable | Mitja: using synaptic or what? |
| 08:23.06 | vlt | Siddharta: Think of it as "The more mem is used the faster your machine is" ;-) |
| 08:23.06 | Mitja | liable, apt-get |
| 08:23.21 | liable | Mitja: nfc |
| 08:23.36 | Mitja | liable, but it's also displayed in synaptic if I choose to view console output |
| 08:23.40 | vlt | Siddharta: *nix caches nearly everything it can grab (from disks) and can serve it faster next time |
| 08:23.48 | Mitja | nfc? |
| 08:23.58 | liable | !nfc |
| 08:23.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 08:24.02 | mech422 | Siddharta: If you try to start a program that wants more then the current amout of 'free' ram, *nix will 'throw away' pieces of memory used by the disk cache to make more 'free' ram |
| 08:24.04 | vlt | Siddharta: When an app really needs more mem the kernel simply frees the cahced area ... |
| 08:24.11 | Mitja | ah |
| 08:24.28 | Mitja | liable, I went great lengths with man nfc to no avail |
| 08:24.37 | liable | Mitja: hehe :) |
| 08:24.38 | Mitja | joking |
| 08:24.49 | tralala | pinky_: I really hope that in the long term linux will get to the point where I can afford myself the pleasure to be an ordinary user, but right now I don't think it's anywhere near there. |
| 08:24.57 | Siddharta | ah ok thanks for the answer i did'nt see this RAM 'eating' as a service |
| 08:24.57 | pinky_ | tralala: Well, really stupid users (let's be frank, we're talking about them here) typically don't buy pieces of internal hardware to upgrade their box. Maybe accesories like keyboard, mice, speakers, monitors, USB flash driver or external HDDS, and in the occasional gamer video card (ATI and Nvidia both support though)... |
| 08:25.18 | Siddharta | i will google around to get more information , i really thank you |
| 08:25.23 | pinky_ | tralala: but all those thigns I listed are supported automatically. |
| 08:25.25 | tralala | pinky_: it doesn't have to be internal. They could buy an iPod. |
| 08:25.42 | mech422 | Siddharta: trust me - it _IS_ a service - especially on a lappie - laptops ususally have really SLOW drives. Caching means you don't have to wait for the drive... |
| 08:25.54 | pinky_ | tralala: Those work with GNU/Linux, do they not? I don't own one myself, but my Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 works with it. |
| 08:26.01 | vlt | Siddharta: If you want to know how much ram is really "used" try `free` |
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| 08:26.58 | pinky_ | Freedom is not only a nice afterthought of GNU/Linux, but it is powering it's advancement on a technological level at an alarming rate due to the dedication of the coders. |
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| 08:27.09 | tralala | pinky_: And no, I'm not talking about stupid users. I'm talking about me - I don't want to be bothered with hardware compatibility issues. I just want to go to the shop, buy a wifi card and have it work. I've done this twice so far with 50% success rate. |
| 08:27.16 | Siddharta | vlt: http://paste.debian.net/11341 |
| 08:27.17 | pinky_ | I think specific GNU/Linux distributions are more usable than Windows ever was. |
| 08:28.43 | tralala | pinky_: actually I've bought 3 different kinds of wifi cards so far. And the actual success rate is 66% but with far more effords that I'd like to. |
| 08:28.50 | pinky_ | tralala: WiFi cards are an issue, yes. But between ATI+Nvidia, ALSA, support for practically any internal drive, and support for more CPU architectures than Mac OS X will ever know, I'd say it's doing quite well. |
| 08:28.58 | cydork | tralala, practically you cant compare mac os x and linux (linux supports hell lot more that mac os x) |
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| 08:29.11 | mech422 | tralala: I'd be happy if I could by a video card that doesn't over heat every time I try to play a game in doze.... So far, I'm batting 25% on that :-P |
| 08:29.24 | pinky_ | tralala: That's another point. I thought you were arguing for Mac OS X, not Windows. |
| 08:29.30 | pinky_ | Thanks cydork |
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| 08:29.42 | vlt | Siddharta: column free in the first row should be the same as in `top`, second row shows w/o any buffers and chaches ... |
| 08:30.12 | cydork | pinky_: np :) |
| 08:30.23 | tralala | I'm not arguing in favour of any OS. My point is that linux is *not* without a cost. Not at all. |
| 08:30.27 | mech422 | ok - no one has any ideas on my raid1 boot problem ? |
| 08:30.34 | mech422 | tralala: nothing is without cost |
| 08:30.49 | tralala | mech422: some people seem to think differently |
| 08:31.03 | mech422 | tralala: you either pay it up front (mac) or pay it on the back end... (learning, etc - linux) |
| 08:31.09 | RvGaTe | How do i connect to a proxy server to get my packages...? |
| 08:31.42 | mech422 | tralala: heh - if they figure out how to get something for nothing, I'd love to hear how :-) I could use the money :-D |
| 08:31.44 | tralala | mech422: indeed |
| 08:31.56 | tralala | mech422: heh :) |
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| 08:32.13 | Siddharta | knowledge has no prices |
| 08:32.16 | tralala | RvGaTe: for apt? |
| 08:32.19 | pinky_ | tralala: No OS is without a cost. Windows blows, Mac OS X is limited to Apple hardware and lacks hardware and application support, and GNU/Linux is harder to use than Mac OS X (but not Windows). The whole industry is extremely immature. |
| 08:32.27 | RvGaTe | tralala, yes |
| 08:32.34 | Siddharta | Apple and w$ have |
| 08:33.02 | tralala | RvGaTe: man apt.conf |
| 08:33.05 | mech422 | pinky_: its not really immature - its more a matter of the 'big players' make more money by _keeping_ it hard to use... Look at BeOS... |
| 08:33.14 | mech422 | nice OS - couldn't get accepted |
| 08:33.45 | xria | They should rename IRC to 'NotepadLIVE!' |
| 08:34.10 | xria | It would be spiffy. |
| 08:34.57 | tralala | pinky_: every OS (windows including) has areas where it's the best. The problem for the user (read for me) is if your usage happens to cover a few different areas. |
| 08:35.03 | Guerin | irc isn't notepad life |
| 08:35.15 | Guerin | it's talkback radio/tv for deaf people |
| 08:35.19 | RvGaTe | tralala, thx |
| 08:35.27 | tralala | RvGaTe: wlcm |
| 08:35.33 | mech422 | tralala: we live in a dual booting society :-) Hehe... |
| 08:35.38 | tarzeau | pinky_: you know openstep was portable? |
| 08:35.50 | tarzeau | pinky_: and cocoa is too, it's just an aritificial limit of apple |
| 08:36.09 | tarzeau | sun and ibm chose to not use openstep |
| 08:36.18 | tarzeau | for political/management reasons? |
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| 08:36.59 | mech422 | anyone know a good channel for software raid questions ? |
| 08:37.03 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Oh, yeah, that's another downside of Mac OS X... it's 100% controlled by Apple who won't mind fucking over it's userbase if it pleases their shareholders... which they are required to do by law as a US company! |
| 08:37.21 | tarzeau | pinky_: don't be bad about them. they are a company |
| 08:37.28 | tarzeau | pinky_: they've got different ideals |
| 08:37.40 | tarzeau | pinky_: there's gnustep which is pretty much a cocoa implementation |
| 08:37.49 | tralala | mech422: there are always workarounds for (almost) any problem. My point is that I need solutions not workarounds. The computers should be (ideally) as easy to use as pens - you can use one without being a chemistry professor. |
| 08:37.53 | mech422 | pinky_: same can be said for Intel, IBM, and AMD - should we stop using micro processors ? |
| 08:38.08 | tarzeau | mech422: oh but intel really made some BAD THINGS |
| 08:38.16 | pinky_ | tarzeau: I don't blame them, they need to make money by law. But hell no would I use their OS on my personal boxes because they license their OS restrictively (and impose artificial limitations on it like you so kindlyt mentioned). |
| 08:38.17 | tarzeau | mech422: for which i'd like to nuke them with a large red button |
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| 08:38.42 | pinky_ | mech422: They don't control what OS I run. |
| 08:38.51 | neenaoffline | I found the problem .......... |
| 08:38.57 | mech422 | tralala: true - but nothing in life is as easy as it should be... You just pick your poison and deal with it. I need to work more then I need to play games, so I use linux... |
| 08:39.27 | mech422 | tralala: If I was just doing clerical work - I might have picked doze and learned all the ins and outs of Office... |
| 08:39.33 | tralala | tarzeau: do you know anyone who's been in their (Intel) position and hasn't done bad things? |
| 08:39.49 | pinky_ | mech422: Publicly traded does not imply evilness. It's just that Apple does evil things with Mac OS X (I consider closing XNU source for x86 and Fairplay (although it's not tied to OS X specifically) evil). |
| 08:39.51 | neenaoffline | while booting up , Debian sys something like "ifup - Cannot read /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 08:40.19 | RvGaTe | How do i know how large a certain directory is? |
| 08:40.20 | mech422 | neenaoffline: ahh - sounds like your missing a network config :-) |
| 08:40.22 | pinky_ | mech422: I find GNU/Linux entirely suitable for games. |
| 08:40.24 | liable | neenaoffline: didnt we go through this last night? |
| 08:40.33 | mech422 | RvGaTe: du -s *name* |
| 08:40.34 | pinky_ | mech422: And I consider myself a hardcore PC gamer. |
| 08:41.01 | tarzeau | tralala: no, but i never claimed i would |
| 08:41.07 | mech422 | pinky_: Suitable ? probably - but plentiful ? hardly... poor loki even bit the dust trying to better the situation |
| 08:41.09 | RvGaTe | mech422, thx |
| 08:41.13 | neenaoffline | liable: I never knew that ifup couldn't read the interfaces file , until 5 minutes back :) |
| 08:41.21 | tarzeau | tralala: but the parallel port, and the floppy controllers really are some WORSE designs |
| 08:41.30 | pinky_ | mech422: Plentiful, yes. |
| 08:41.39 | tarzeau | among many other nightmarish things.. BIOS! |
| 08:41.41 | mech422 | pinky_: how is that wine based company doing with getting games running ?? |
| 08:41.46 | tralala | tarzeau: is this Intel's or IBM's fault? |
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| 08:41.54 | liable | neenaoffline: run, bash -x /etc/init.d/networking restart and put the results on a psater |
| 08:42.04 | tarzeau | tralala: ibm. |
| 08:42.05 | liable | paster |
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| 08:42.23 | incorrect | are there any tools to create flash under linux? |
| 08:42.36 | tarzeau | incorrect: a flash? like recipes? |
| 08:42.44 | jauoz | What's happened to php5-mysqli? |
| 08:42.48 | incorrect | like the adobe stuff |
| 08:42.50 | tralala | incorrect: flash is evil |
| 08:42.51 | mech422 | incorrect: yes, but the names escape me at the moment - swf is an open format |
| 08:42.52 | tarzeau | incorrect: ah that |
| 08:43.07 | incorrect | tralala: it might well be evil, |
| 08:43.11 | pinky_ | mech422: Between emulation of NES, SNES, N64, GB, GBC, GBA, PS1, Atari 2600, Atari 5800, Atari 9200, Genesis, PC-E emulation, DosBox, MAME, WINE, Cedega, and native games, it's quite plentiful. |
| 08:43.28 | liable | talking of recipes, time for dinnah |
| 08:43.33 | azeem | incorrect: gstreamer can encode to flash I think, but maybe that is one of the `ugly' plugins |
| 08:43.42 | pinky_ | Other systems emulated I didn't even mention, like MSX1... and then there's ScummVM! |
| 08:43.58 | tarzeau | don't forget pcsx |
| 08:44.04 | mech422 | pinky_: yeah - but I'd only be interested in the Wine stuff - if its not at least 32 players, I get bored :-P |
| 08:44.07 | pinky_ | I mentioned PS1 emulation |
| 08:44.08 | incorrect | ok what alternatives to flash are there? |
| 08:44.08 | tarzeau | and uae |
| 08:44.15 | tarzeau | pinky_: amiga? |
| 08:44.18 | pinky_ | mech422: You are the minority. |
| 08:44.30 | mech422 | pinky_: Cool - all the cool kids are :-D |
| 08:45.06 | pinky_ | mech422: I can't stand over 12 players. It becomes less about strategy over that number and more about retarded rushing/camping/spraying, at least in the games I play. |
| 08:45.31 | mech422 | pinky_: yep, it can be - just depends on who you play with |
| 08:45.51 | pinky_ | mech422: But WINE has matured incredibly, and Cedega is the proprietary extension of WINE that allows playing of new games, some advanced as GTA:San Andreas and Olbivion. |
| 08:46.25 | mech422 | pinky_: CEDEGA - that was it... ooh, oblivion ?? my poor lil machine nearly choked on that native... |
| 08:46.43 | pinky_ | mech422: but I use WINE itself to run Steam. It can run Source engine games such as CS:S with no graphical glitching under Steam with quite excellent performance here. |
| 08:47.05 | mech422 | pinky_: I hope the Cedega thing gets bigger - might convince people that there's a 'real' games market on linux |
| 08:47.51 | mech422 | pinky_: what sort of specs you running on your machine ? (nvidia ? ati ? ram ? ) |
| 08:47.53 | pinky_ | mech422; Many, many older games play in WINE (and older, DosBox), and newer ones sometimes work in WINE, but more likely Cedega. Newsest games that are Windows-only usually not at all. |
| 08:47.59 | pinky_ | But this doesn't include new GNU/Linux games. |
| 08:48.43 | Siddharta | pinky_: do you know some emulation of neogeo |
| 08:48.53 | mech422 | pinky_: I should check out the oss game scene - I haven't really played anything on linux since freeciv :-) |
| 08:49.13 | pinky_ | mech422: Opteron 146 (2.0GHz), ASUS SK8V, Nvidia GeForce 6800 GT 256MB GDDR3 VRAM, 1.0GB registered ECC DDRSDRAM... |
| 08:49.38 | pinky_ | mech422: I wasn't talking about just OSS games. Commercial games to... |
| 08:49.39 | simonrvn | that's not really playing a linux game... that's just playing a windows game in wine... |
| 08:49.46 | tralala | pinky_: boy, you have to be reach to play games on a server hardware! ;) |
| 08:49.49 | mech422 | pinky_: Nice - I'm stuck on like a 5200 128M card for now |
| 08:49.58 | Guerin | why bother playing games in free software? |
| 08:49.58 | simonrvn | FOSSgames can be for pay... |
| 08:50.02 | pinky_ | tralala: reach? |
| 08:50.09 | Guerin | buy a console if you want gamex0rslol |
| 08:50.17 | tralala | ops, I mean rich |
| 08:50.34 | pinky_ | Guerin: Hell no. Better graphics, sound, modibility, and many other factors. |
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| 08:51.04 | pinky_ | mech422: Haha, no. Computer parts are all I buy though. That and psychedelics. 0_o |
| 08:51.06 | mech422 | pinky_: how you liking the operton? I've been sticking to abit and p4 3.0Ghz... |
| 08:51.20 | pinky_ | I mean that last one for tralala |
| 08:51.24 | mech422 | pinky_: trying to decide whether I should go p4 D or opteron for the next machine |
| 08:51.43 | simonrvn | people with money to burn |
| 08:52.03 | pinky_ | Besides, tralala, the CPU was only ~$270, and that was like 1.5-2 years ago. |
| 08:52.10 | tarzeau | pinky_: psychedelics, which ones? |
| 08:52.17 | pinky_ | Guerin: No wonder you don't like PC gaming! =O |
| 08:52.36 | tralala | mech422: if you are to buy a cpu now you better wait for the intel thingie - they say it's teh shit! |
| 08:52.57 | simonrvn | they said pentium 1 was teh shit |
| 08:53.19 | tralala | pinky_: that would be the price of my cpu+mobo together (about the same time) |
| 08:53.19 | Guerin | pinky_: i don't like pc gaming because it requires me to sing $thousands and hundreds of hours into it to get competitive, and with most games nowadays, if you're not competitive you're not having fun |
| 08:53.19 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Dextromethorphan, 2C-I, P. Cubensis, LSD if I can find it, dinitrogen monoxide, salvia divinorum, cannabis (yeaahh), DMT... |
| 08:53.28 | mech422 | tralala: yeah - the dual cores are coming in pretty cheap now. I just got one for a server... we'll see how much diff. the second core makes |
| 08:53.38 | tarzeau | pinky_: i was interested in the "if i can find it". where do you live? |
| 08:53.39 | tralala | simonrvn: and it was back then |
| 08:53.53 | pinky_ | tarzeau: California. Ha ha. |
| 08:54.08 | tralala | mech422: I mean the conroe, or cornoe or whatever |
| 08:54.09 | mech422 | pinky_: oh where abouts ? I'm in San Jose.. |
| 08:54.34 | tarzeau | pinky_: man and you can't even get it there? http://www.frappr.com/lsd |
| 08:54.51 | pinky_ | mech422: Get the Opteron 100% over the P4. Netburst sucks. If you consider Intel, look at 8th gen Core Microarcitechture, but those are two new to buy (in my rule book anyway). |
| 08:54.56 | tarzeau | pinky_: your age? |
| 08:55.03 | mech422 | tralala: ahh - I don't really keep up with cpu's any more - most stuff I do now is either io bound or memory/video bound - cpu's haven't been a problem for me in a couple of years |
| 08:55.09 | pinky_ | mech422: Santa Cruz! |
| 08:55.48 | mech422 | pinky_: I wanna try an opteron - if nothing else, I've heard they run cooler and use less juice |
| 08:55.51 | pinky_ | tarzeau: young =] |
| 08:55.55 | tarzeau | mech422: what software do you use for your memory/video stuff? |
| 08:56.03 | tarzeau | pinky_: i guess between 20 to 30 then |
| 08:56.04 | mech422 | pinky_: LOL - right over the hill :-) |
| 08:57.04 | pinky_ | tarzeau: You guessed incorrectly. |
| 08:57.10 | mech422 | tarzeau: memory/video is usually the problem for games (HyperTransport PLEASE!!!) - Disk I/O is the problem for compiles, and server work - gotta have at least 3 spindles chewing on stuff |
| 08:57.19 | pinky_ | mech422: Yeah, heh. How's the weather there? har, har, har! |
| 08:57.38 | pinky_ | tarzeau: What is this map anyway? They aren't dealers, surely... |
| 08:57.39 | tralala | I want a cheap desktop CPU that will have powernow or whatever technology to not heat up madly as I browse the web in the summer. |
| 08:57.41 | mech422 | pinky_: not bad - ain't you guys fallen in the ocean yet ?? :-P |
| 08:57.50 | tarzeau | pinky_: hehe, as it says, enjoyers :) |
| 08:57.59 | pinky_ | mech422: Haha, try not to be too jealous. |
| 08:58.17 | tarzeau | pinky_: have you seen a car dealer not driving a car? |
| 08:58.21 | mech422 | tralala: that was my problem with the old AMD stuff - the k6-2's and k6-3's just _died_ in summer... |
| 08:58.42 | mech422 | tralala: but I run about a dozen machines at home, so heat is always a problem (electric bill too! :-P ) |
| 08:58.50 | liable | sad thing about pc/console gaming is that it has killed pinball :( |
| 08:58.52 | tralala | mech422: well my athlon isn't much better but I get it it's still way better than p4 |
| 08:58.59 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Haha, true, but it wouldn't be smart to publicly announce yourself to the authorities on the Internet. |
| 08:59.03 | mech422 | pinky_: lets see - ocean views, girls in bikini's - whats to be jealous of ?? :-P |
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| 08:59.34 | tralala | mech422: I'm also slowly moving towards a computer lab at home |
| 08:59.36 | pinky_ | mech422: Girls in bikinis maybe, but their suprisingly lacking in grey matter. |
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| 09:00.15 | mech422 | tralala: I'm hoping I can cut back with Xen and vserver - but I need to build a new file server first - that virtual stuff eats disk space for install images |
| 09:00.19 | tralala | pinky_: I would say it would only be surprising if they didn't |
| 09:00.20 | mech422 | pinky_: and thats a problem ? |
| 09:00.54 | pinky_ | tralala: Yes. |
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| 09:01.15 | wollace | how to remove a link to a dir? |
| 09:01.17 | mech422 | anyway, I've got to get back to work... gonna be a long nite |
| 09:01.28 | mech422 | wollace : rm *linkname* |
| 09:01.55 | pinky_ | mech422: Yes, that's a problem. I mean if you go through the "ritual" with them (which is even more retarded than they are) you can probably get pussy. But that's not sufficient for a long-term relationship with me. |
| 09:02.04 | mech422 | pinky_: nice chatting with ya - enjoy the beach and the broads :-D |
| 09:02.08 | tralala | wollace: rm the_link |
| 09:02.17 | wollace | if i have done 'ln -s /dev/a /dev/b', then to remove it would be 'rm /dev/a'? |
| 09:02.31 | mech422 | wollace: NO |
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| 09:02.35 | pinky_ | mech422: Haha will do... enjoy the lack of cool ocean breeze and the warm, stagnant desert air. |
| 09:02.35 | mech422 | rm /dev/b |
| 09:02.47 | mech422 | pinky_: :-P |
| 09:02.48 | pinky_ | ;-] |
| 09:02.49 | wollace | thks |
| 09:02.50 | tralala | wollace: if you've done that, then your link would be b -> a |
| 09:03.02 | wollace | i understand now. |
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| 09:03.07 | wollace | thks. bye. |
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| 09:03.27 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Do you happen to be on that list? |
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| 09:04.02 | tarzeau | pinky_: yes, but anyone can be on that list |
| 09:04.12 | tarzeau | pinky_: being on the list doesn't imply anything |
| 09:04.42 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Right. I'm aware. That's still cool though... =] |
| 09:04.58 | tarzeau | pinky_: hoffmann got 100 this spring |
| 09:05.04 | tarzeau | pinky_: i've been in basel :) |
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| 09:05.59 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Unfortunately it's rare around here, and when I do come across it, it's expensive and not that strong. Mescaline grows everywhere here, though, and shrooms are supremely easy to get. |
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| 09:06.35 | tarzeau | pinky_: yes i've heard about the not strong, it's often half, or even just a quarter, eigth the 150-300 microgram dosages it used to be |
| 09:07.16 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Hah, yeah, bum deal for me I missed the '60s and '70s. |
| 09:07.28 | tarzeau | pinky_: hah, same here, so you're under 20 :) |
| 09:07.47 | pinky_ | tarzeau: It's a distinct possibility, yes. |
| 09:07.48 | petemc | apparently drugs are stronger now then they were in the 60s |
| 09:08.02 | tarzeau | petemc: some, NOT |
| 09:08.19 | pinky_ | petemc: What drug are you talking about? They're all mostly *very* different. |
| 09:08.29 | pinky_ | Try not to lump them all together as "drugs". |
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| 09:08.38 | tarzeau | pinky_: you speak so out of my heart |
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| 09:08.48 | pinky_ | tarzeau: =D |
| 09:08.58 | tarzeau | pinky_: at least make the brain and the body drug separation |
| 09:09.11 | tarzeau | and the drug that you get addicted to physically and the other |
| 09:09.31 | JosefK | hey guys - just wondering how I can have someone boot a debian install CD so we can run the install remotely? |
| 09:09.43 | pinky_ | tarzeau: The only drug that's physically addicting that I've tried is alcohol. And it also happens to be my least favorite psychoactive. |
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| 09:09.56 | tralala | JosefK: yes, if you boot it in expert mode you'll have the option of ssh install |
| 09:10.04 | tarzeau | pinky_: same here, also the smoking ones, i don't like either |
| 09:10.08 | JosefK | ah, perfect - thanks tralala |
| 09:10.34 | pinky_ | tarzeau: I'm quite fond of cannabis myself, but I dislike tobacco (I've never smoked a cigarette before). |
| 09:10.51 | tarzeau | pinky_: there's so much cannabis here, i don't really like it |
| 09:10.54 | pinky_ | I'll smoke hookah occasionally though. |
| 09:11.02 | tralala | JosefK: welcome |
| 09:11.14 | pinky_ | tarzeau: There's so much cannabis here, I can't get enough of it! |
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| 09:11.21 | tarzeau | pinky_: heh |
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| 09:12.08 | pinky_ | tarzeau: I'm still relatively new to it, so it's entheogenic effects are still powerful and profound. Ergo my continuous consumption of it. |
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| 09:13.26 | tarzeau | pinky_: have you ever been to europe? |
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| 09:14.15 | pinky_ | tarzeau: Once, but only for 1-2 weeks. I salivate at the thought of leaving this country. |
| 09:14.55 | tarzeau | pinky_: when will you do so? and where to? |
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| 09:15.14 | petemc | pinky_: not wanting to get drawn into this off topic conversation, but drugs arent that different.. |
| 09:15.19 | tarzeau | pinky_: learning a language already? |
| 09:15.48 | pinky_ | tarzeau: I don't know yet, but I'm fluent in English (obviously) and am okay at Deutsche. |
| 09:16.11 | pinky_ | petemc: All that tells me is that you don't know what you are talking about. |
| 09:16.24 | petemc | pinky_: right, thats fine |
| 09:16.38 | Siddharta | pinky_: Deutsch doesn't exist in english |
| 09:16.46 | Siddharta | it's dutch or german |
| 09:17.25 | Siddharta | deutsch is german in german language |
| 09:17.39 | pinky_ | petemc: And obviously are very inexperienced in this matter. You think alcohol and heroin are similar? How about cannabis and Salvinorin A? Point to me one *similarity*, chemical or otherwise, of 5-MeO-DiPT and cocaine. |
| 09:17.49 | liable | drugs are bad, mmkay? |
| 09:18.02 | Siddharta | verstanden!! |
| 09:18.03 | Siddharta | ;) |
| 09:18.06 | pinky_ | Siddharta: I'm aware, I called it Deutsche on purpose. |
| 09:18.12 | tarzeau | liable: so no more alochol and cigarettes for you? |
| 09:18.30 | liable | tarzeau: do as i say, not as i do! |
| 09:18.33 | liable | :P |
| 09:18.36 | tralala | liable: they could be good depending on your goals |
| 09:18.37 | tarzeau | liable: haha :) |
| 09:18.52 | pinky_ | Alcohol and tobacco are unhealthy and nasty in my opinion. I'd far rather take care of my body and my mind with psilocin and mescaline. |
| 09:19.37 | petemc | pinky_: it would appear you misunderstood what i said |
| 09:19.37 | liable | yes, most drugs are fine in moderation, but they do have nasty consequences |
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| 09:20.01 | tarzeau | pinky_: nutmeg? |
| 09:20.30 | pinky_ | liable: That depends on the person, and on the drug in question. |
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| 09:20.42 | tarzeau | pinky_: and the amount |
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| 09:20.50 | tralala | one could be tempted to think that everything needed by the body is contained in... you know - regular old food |
| 09:21.02 | pinky_ | liable: Personally for me, there simply are no "nasty consequences" for ingesting psilocybe cubensis. |
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| 09:21.12 | tarzeau | tralala: what about plants going through animals? and then those animals? |
| 09:21.28 | tarzeau | tralala: it's not like drugs are against the body hunger |
| 09:21.32 | liable | pinky_: i am yet to have a friend that does a lot of drugs (no matter what substance) that hasnt been affected by it. and yes, i have a *lot* of friends that do all sorts of drugs |
| 09:21.50 | pinky_ | tarzeau, liable: That's why I said it depended on the person. The person needs to be educated enough about the drug and themselves to dose properly. |
| 09:21.52 | tarzeau | tralala: don't humans have another hunger, let's call it the brain hunger? |
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| 09:22.30 | pinky_ | liable: Oh, well I admit I've been extremely effected by psychedelic use. But almost all in a positive, mental manner. |
| 09:22.48 | liable | pinky_: how old are you? (out of interest) |
| 09:22.56 | tralala | tarzeau: I believe yes, but I don't believe you can satisfy this hunger with drugs |
| 09:23.02 | pinky_ | liable: 17 |
| 09:23.23 | pinky_ | liable: How old are you, out of interest? |
| 09:23.33 | liable | pinky_: 33 |
| 09:23.42 | Fox | did my irssi switch to #drugs by its own ? Ôo |
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| 09:23.44 | tarzeau | 28/m/zurich |
| 09:24.01 | liable | Fox: heh, seems so :) |
| 09:24.16 | JosefK | tralala: totally devoid of documentation on the SSH install, can you point me anywhere? |
| 09:24.16 | tarzeau | anyone plays dopewars btw? |
| 09:24.19 | tralala | pinky_: I wonder how your education about the drugs will affect you by the time you're twice your current age. And you will still be young then. |
| 09:24.50 | Fox | don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't enjoy a poke sometimes :) |
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| 09:25.43 | pinky_ | tralala: Are you implying that I'm not knowledgable or careful with my psychedelic use? I generally read almost a novel's worth of information online about a particular substance before trying it, and even then I try the lowest threshold dose first. |
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| 09:26.42 | liable | child |
| 09:26.45 | tralala | JosefK: I can't be of much more help here, because I'm only aware of the existance of this installation method. Isn't there anything in the debian installation guide? |
| 09:26.45 | syntaxx | where can i get etch netinstall? |
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| 09:26.55 | tralala | syntaxx: from debian.org |
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| 09:27.40 | JosefK | tralala: nothing in there :( |
| 09:28.03 | JosefK | tralala: screw it, I'll learn by example - biab if I have some problems |
| 09:28.17 | syntaxx | tralala, hmm in what particular link? im seeing stable |
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| 09:29.08 | tralala | pinky_: Being totaly ignorat about drugs I can't judge your expertise there. In 17 years of continual drug usage though it should become pretty clear for anybody if your expertise was real or imaginary. |
| 09:29.27 | tralala | syntaxx: try the nightly builds |
| 09:29.41 | tralala | syntaxx: the beta installer |
| 09:30.00 | liable | syntaxx: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 09:30.05 | adminosx | does anyone has experience with Debian from scratch? |
| 09:30.10 | gebruiker123 | My pc won't turn of automaticly why not? |
| 09:30.21 | omry|work | insmod,peterS: my boot problem was because tty* was missing from /dev |
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| 09:30.36 | tralala | gebruiker123: you don't have the apm module loaded? |
| 09:31.00 | pinky_ | tralala: Expertise, no. I am, however, always learning more, just like with technology. I also don't feel like I need to, or even will, take drugs continuously for the rest of my life, although I highly doubt I'll ever "outgrow" them. |
| 09:31.00 | syntaxx | liable, by the way hows etch for desktop? |
| 09:31.02 | omry|work | the error message 'id "X" respawning too fast" is from INIT, and reference confuration at /etc/inittab |
| 09:31.11 | omry|work | configuration |
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| 09:31.35 | liable | syntaxx: good, untill it breaks. but that should be getting less and less soon |
| 09:31.51 | neenaoffline | liable, I am on debian now :) |
| 09:32.09 | liable | neenaoffline: nice :) |
| 09:32.13 | pinky_ | tralala: But I can well say that if you did know more, the fact that I've never had any stimulants, benzodiazepines, or opiates before merely because they are physically addicting would mean somethnig to you. |
| 09:32.15 | syntaxx | liable, how bout comparison of etch and ubuntu dapper?:D |
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| 09:32.28 | tralala | pinky_: well, you sounded like you had such an intention. Anyhow in only a few years you'll be surprised how many things you will "outgrow" that you thought you never would. |
| 09:32.36 | liable | syntaxx: no clue |
| 09:32.43 | gebruiker123 | tralala yes i do |
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| 09:33.19 | syntaxx | liable, ok since i cant install the latest release of wine in debian sarge i might try etch |
| 09:34.25 | pinky_ | tralala: Yes, and I know that every psychoactive chemical in existence won't be on the list. |
| 09:34.28 | tralala | gebruiker123: your computer is uncapable of powering of by itself? |
| 09:34.40 | pinky_ | tralala: I've been very high on cannabis this entire conversation, by the way. |
| 09:34.40 | tralala | pinky_: okay |
| 09:34.53 | gebruiker123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.05 | tralala | pinky_: is this supposed to prove anything? |
| 09:35.18 | tralala | gebruiker123: so what has changed in between? |
| 09:35.26 | azeem | pinky_: please take this conversation elsewhere, kthxbye |
| 09:35.47 | pinky_ | tralala: Nothing. Merely a tidbit. |
| 09:36.12 | pinky_ | azeem: There are usually at least two people in a conversation. |
| 09:36.39 | gebruiker123 | tralala: I cloned a hd and switched to that one... |
| 09:36.54 | azeem | pinky_: take the other person with you |
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| 09:37.04 | tralala | pinky_: I've used canabis in the past and I can't recall any actual benefits. |
| 09:37.13 | xri | Hey guys, why can't I apt-get install xfce ??? |
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| 09:37.41 | neenaoffline | xri, apt-cache search xfce |
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| 09:37.52 | liable | xri: you tell us... with the errors you got.. |
| 09:38.00 | tralala | gebruiker123: hmm, this is weird. |
| 09:38.11 | adminosx | someone can suggest me a *good* guide/tutorial how remastering a debian for ppc? |
| 09:38.13 | pinky_ | tralala: Oh, well that's certainly not the case with me. Cannabis has a strong mental, entheogenic effect for me. It allows me to think about issues or situations in different ways that allows for insight on topics to be gained that I otherwise would've never experienced. |
| 09:38.33 | xri | wow, 2.3mb/sec on ftp.debian.org mirror |
| 09:38.59 | azeem | pinky_, tralala: you're off-topic, please continue your conversation in private |
| 09:39.35 | pinky_ | azeem: Thanks for not just blaming me this time! =P |
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| 09:41.31 | tralala | pinky_: I'm curious how do you know that you would've never experienced something. Of cource, I also wonder how you can tell that you've "gained an insight". But that's just me and I'll have to stop now for I'm risking being banned. |
| 09:42.16 | omry|work | I have a fresh system can I can't get the networking to work, I probably need to load a module: when I do ifup eth0 I get: SIOCSFADDR: No such device. |
| 09:42.19 | omry|work | any idea? |
| 09:42.42 | tralala | omry|work: yes, you need to load a module |
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| 09:43.07 | omry|work | tralala: this I figured, how do I figure out which one? |
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| 09:43.47 | tralala | omry|work: you google for your nic model + linux module |
| 09:44.19 | Orfeous | my friend has changed internet on their job.. and now ICQ dont work anymore.. what can he do to connect to icq again? if i setup a proxy on my server and he connects to it does it then solve the problem? |
| 09:44.21 | omry|work | tralala: its an onboard card, can I somehow get the name using one of the linux tools? |
| 09:44.30 | tralala | omry|work: lspci |
| 09:44.47 | omry|work | tralala: thanks, |
| 09:44.55 | tralala | omry|work: welcome |
| 09:45.41 | Talisker[w] | how do I search my already installed packages? |
| 09:46.04 | neenaoffline | apt-cache search xvesa returns nothing :0 !! |
| 09:46.05 | SlayerXP | Talisker[w]: one method is "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep <whatever>" |
| 09:46.20 | neenaoffline | is that my sources.list's fault ? |
| 09:46.23 | tralala | Orfeous: jugding by how the question is asked is doesn't seem that you or your friend will be able so solve this problem |
| 09:47.25 | Orfeous | tralala: hmm.. but it must be a solution i think. |
| 09:47.38 | tralala | Talisker[w]: aptitude search ~ikeyword is another |
| 09:47.48 | Talisker[w] | thanks |
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| 09:48.25 | tralala | Orfeous: almost certainly there is, but you will need someone to examine the network and discover the cause of the problem in order to fix it |
| 09:48.35 | E-bola | How far is etch from becomming stable? |
| 09:48.50 | E-bola | i mean to replace sarge |
| 09:49.01 | Orfeous | tralala: ok, but they dont have any admin rights.. |
| 09:49.08 | tralala | E-bola: the release goal is december |
| 09:49.13 | liable | E-bola: current timeline, december |
| 09:49.15 | E-bola | ahh ok |
| 09:49.20 | E-bola | so still quote a while to go |
| 09:49.25 | E-bola | quite even |
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| 09:49.44 | neenaoffline | can anyone find XVESA in the debian repos ? |
| 09:49.45 | tralala | E-bola: sooner than vista though |
| 09:49.52 | E-bola | hehe :) |
| 09:49.52 | neenaoffline | tralala, hehe |
| 09:50.06 | tralala | neenaoffline: /msg dpkg find xvesa |
| 09:50.56 | tralala | Orfeous: then you will need the assistance of an admin |
| 09:51.44 | Orfeous | tralala: why cant a proxy solve the problem? |
| 09:51.48 | tralala | Orfeous: you might get assistance from your ISP if you give them a call |
| 09:51.52 | Orfeous | http proxy or something |
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| 09:52.11 | tralala | Orfeous: proxies cannot solve unknown problems |
| 09:52.29 | tralala | although I wish they could |
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| 09:52.53 | Orfeous | tralala: "unknown" ? |
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| 09:53.10 | IronM | good morning |
| 09:54.05 | IronM | Do you have an idea where i can find precompiled smp-kernel packages for debian sarge r2 ? - thank you in advance for your answer :) |
| 09:54.09 | tralala | Orfeous: yes, the reason for the icq not connecting is unknown to me |
| 09:55.00 | Orfeous | tralala: ok, not for me.. |
| 09:55.28 | tralala | IronM: aptitude search kernel-image.*smp |
| 09:55.37 | Orfeous | tralala: as far as i know the icq port/protocol is blocked in some router/firewall |
| 09:56.26 | tralala | Orfeous: than you can try to change the port. I think the icq servers are listening on a number of ports |
| 09:56.33 | IronM | thank you tralala |
| 09:56.46 | tralala | IronM: you're welcome |
| 09:56.58 | berzerka | Orfeous, maybe begin by explaining your sentence: 'my friend has changed internet on their job..' in a little bit more detail.. |
| 09:57.22 | IronM | ;o) |
| 09:57.49 | Tallu | berzerka: apt-get --reinstall install internet |
| 09:58.03 | berzerka | lol |
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| 09:58.41 | tralala | Tallu: nah, that would take too long to download ;) |
| 09:58.43 | syntaxx | im trying to install wine 0.9.19 from source for 3 times now but i cant seem find the package to get GL.h im using debian sarge anyone know? |
| 09:58.49 | Tallu | tralala: haha could be yeah |
| 09:59.16 | berzerka | i just 'love' that kind of sentence. "my internet is broken..". your personal internet, cool.. |
| 09:59.27 | liable | syntaxx: sounds like a mesa header |
| 09:59.35 | tralala | syntaxx: try libgl<somthing>-dev or libmesa<something>-dev |
| 09:59.44 | syntaxx | ok |
| 09:59.46 | Orfeous | berzerka: i dont have any details either.. |
| 10:00.05 | berzerka | Orfeous, well, what do you mean by that, it makes absolutely no sense to me. |
| 10:00.06 | liable | syntaxx: try libdevel |
| 10:00.08 | Orfeous | berzerka: i just know that their is a switch and a vpn router that blocks icq somehow |
| 10:00.17 | liable | !tell syntaxx about search |
| 10:00.25 | Tallu | berzerka: hehe yeah. besides back when i did some support for windows users, the best part was "my computer is broken.." -what did you do "nothing its broken" -what did you do "its broken!" -WHAT DID YOU DO "well i deleted these few files.. but they cant be necessary can they" |
| 10:00.36 | incorrect | can the backports of cyrus imap do ldap auth? |
| 10:00.40 | liable | syntaxx: if libdevel doesnt do it, try libsage-dev |
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| 10:00.57 | syntaxx | liable, yeah i already installed xlibmesa-dev and i dont see any libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 10:01.12 | benderz0r | okay...who hid the kernel source package for 2.6.17-2!?! |
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| 10:01.47 | berzerka | Orfeous, from your sentence i guess that it has worked before your friend "changed internet". |
| 10:02.04 | Gnea | benderz0r: it's hidden? |
| 10:02.09 | Orfeous | berzerka: yes, it worked until this morning |
| 10:02.15 | berzerka | ... |
| 10:02.20 | Orfeous | they changed their "line" to stockholm |
| 10:02.37 | berzerka | aaahh! that is what i call 'information' |
| 10:02.42 | benderz0r | Gnea: indeed...need the kernel-source for 2.6.17 and I can only find kernel-source-2.6 and -2.6.8 ...both install the latter |
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| 10:02.58 | Gnea | benderz0r: oh, you're running sarge? |
| 10:02.58 | tralala | Orfeous: do they have a sysadmin in your friend's work place? |
| 10:03.00 | syntaxx | liable, and libdevel has a lot -corestack-perl logger-ruby logger-ruby1.6 1.8 ptkdb-perl stacktrace-perl symdump-perl |
| 10:03.06 | benderz0r | no I'm running sid |
| 10:03.13 | berzerka | Orfeous, well then there could be a lot of reasons. maybe they have totally different routing policies on that line/network/whatever.. |
| 10:03.20 | benderz0r | gah headers |
| 10:03.30 | tralala | berzerka: are you implying that "stockholm" is somehow unimportant?! |
| 10:03.30 | Orfeous | tralala: no, their internet is administrated centrally. |
| 10:03.41 | Gnea | benderz0r: are you sure? |
| 10:04.08 | berzerka | tralala, how come you think so? |
| 10:04.22 | Orfeous | berzerka: yes it could be.. i can ask him if he can ask the people that did the change if ICQ is blocked.. |
| 10:04.31 | azeem | benderz0r: it's linux-source-*, not kernel-source-* now |
| 10:04.31 | Orfeous | and if its solveable |
| 10:04.36 | tralala | berzerka: I'm just kidding ;) |
| 10:04.41 | berzerka | Orfeous, thats what i would have done in the first place.. |
| 10:04.53 | Orfeous | berzerka: me too :) |
| 10:04.58 | liable | syntaxx: libsage-dev |
| 10:05.14 | Orfeous | berzerka: but i dont think this guy has thought of it :D |
| 10:05.15 | berzerka | tralala, okay, just didnt get it :) *gets more coffee* |
| 10:05.17 | benderz0r | azeem: I'm looking for the headers, my mistake |
| 10:05.22 | syntaxx | liable, ok ill try to compile again |
| 10:05.22 | benderz0r | though still can't find the right ones |
| 10:05.25 | azeem | benderz0r: same thing |
| 10:05.38 | berzerka | Orfeous, well maybe you could have told him before coming here? |
| 10:05.59 | tralala | Orfeous: is your friend using a proxy to browse the web? |
| 10:06.27 | benderz0r | azeem: mmm interesting, well kudos to who ever made that sane :) |
| 10:07.29 | neenaoffline | how do I tell apt to ignore dependencies and install ? |
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| 10:07.50 | Orfeous | berzerka: he went to lunch.. |
| 10:08.00 | Orfeous | tralala: i dont know.. i can ask when he returns |
| 10:08.35 | tralala | benderz0r: well, you see - debian has two other kernels - hurd and bsd, so in order to be politically correct we can't call linux "the kernel" anymore. Not that anyone is using the other kernels besides their developers... |
| 10:08.48 | neenaoffline | I get "perl-base = 5.8.4-8sarge4 but 5.8.8-4 is to be installed " |
| 10:09.00 | azeem | tralala: tarzeau uses kfreebsd |
| 10:09.10 | benderz0r | tralala: I no I like it, makes sense to me :D ...just that I didn't know about it |
| 10:09.26 | benderz0r | heh, might install hurd kernel to play with it |
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| 10:09.36 | azeem | benderz0r: the Hurd is not a kernel :P |
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| 10:09.56 | azeem | !hurd |
| 10:09.56 | dpkg | i guess hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hug |
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| 10:10.03 | tralala | azeem: yes, I've suspected that all the users of the other kernles know eachother by name |
| 10:10.22 | azeem | !hurd =~ s/hug/hurd/ |
| 10:10.22 | dpkg | OK, azeem |
| 10:10.29 | MoonDuck | where is the proper place for adding a global (for all users) PATH? should i just edit /etc/profile? seems a bit intrusive for debian :) (there's also /etc/profile.d, but it's empty and i don't see it being parsed by /etc/profile) |
| 10:10.43 | azeem | actually |
| 10:11.04 | azeem | !hurd =~ s/$/\ on irc.freenode.net/ |
| 10:11.04 | dpkg | azeem: that doesn't contain '$' |
| 10:11.06 | azeem | blah |
| 10:11.13 | azeem | !hurd =~ s/#hurd/#hurd on irc.freenode.net/ |
| 10:11.13 | dpkg | azeem: OK |
| 10:11.23 | tralala | dpkg: you fool |
| 10:11.23 | dpkg | aah, who's the fool now tralala |
| 10:11.45 | benderz0r | time to play 'did that kernel update from experimental fix my problem with the current sid kernel!' ...the game where I like killing myself when I lose :| |
| 10:11.59 | azeem | tralala: I expect kfreebsd to release with etch+1 and gain quite some popularity until then |
| 10:12.40 | liable | benderz0r: dude, i would compile one before i used an experimental kernel |
| 10:13.04 | benderz0r | < --- lazy |
| 10:13.23 | benderz0r | compiling a kernel takes a long time, I have a uni assignment due tomorrow and just need a working system |
| 10:13.42 | benderz0r | if the one from experimental doesn't work then I have to find out what patch they droped and then fix it myself |
| 10:14.13 | tralala | azeem: it will be fun to try for many people. I wonder if it will be fun to actually use though. Well for servers it might be worthy |
| 10:14.29 | benderz0r | still not working, bother |
| 10:15.22 | tarzeau | azeem: and i'm not alone. i was surprised to get 54 on io doing ls /home | wc -l |
| 10:15.31 | benderz0r | x just has no love for me today |
| 10:16.01 | azeem | tarzeau: (it's trivial to get an account there for DDs, that does not prove those are getting used as well) |
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| 10:16.25 | tarzeau | azeem: true |
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| 10:21.02 | incorrect | hello, i just installed a 2.2.13, and exim nolonger knows what +cyrus_domains are, did the domain list name change? |
| 10:21.17 | azeem | incorrect: 2.2.13 of what? |
| 10:21.23 | incorrect | cyrus |
| 10:21.24 | incorrect | sorry |
| 10:21.32 | azeem | so unstable? |
| 10:21.35 | azeem | or self-compiledß |
| 10:21.38 | incorrect | backport |
| 10:22.00 | neenaoffline | can I use sarge repos in etch ? |
| 10:22.12 | azeem | neenaoffline: no, that doesn't make much sense |
| 10:22.13 | neenaoffline | I'm unable to apt-get install wdm :( |
| 10:22.17 | incorrect | neenaoffline: doesn't backports have what you want? |
| 10:22.23 | neenaoffline | I get "perl-base = 5.8.4-8sarge4 but 5.8.8-4 is to be installed " |
| 10:22.30 | neenaoffline | ah |
| 10:22.35 | benderz0r | mmm glcore isn't loading when I try to start x...I've just updated the kernel so what xorg package am I needing to update to fix it |
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| 10:35.18 | k-man | are there any wifi mp3 players worth their salt? |
| 10:35.31 | k-man | something that would look good on top of my amp |
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| 10:37.07 | Skiver | hi, anyone using swat here ? |
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| 10:43.13 | Talisker[w] | How do I add stuff to the path permanently for all users? |
| 10:44.32 | SlayerXP | Talisker[w]: you're very close to the end of your quota of questions-you-should-have-googled-the-answer-to |
| 10:44.45 | tralala | Talisker[w]: assuming that all of your users have bash for shell - /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 10:46.01 | benderz0r | my keyboard keeps freezing in gnome and the general desktop is semi unresponcive, using sid |
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| 10:50.58 | Talisker[w] | SlayerXP, noted |
| 10:51.16 | liable | grr, my dvd player is being a loser |
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| 10:52.44 | syntaxx | liable, still no opengl =/ |
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| 10:53.26 | liable | syntaxx: hrm, that package had the needed file you asked for.. |
| 10:54.16 | syntaxx | liable, =/ have you tried install wine latest on debian sarge? |
| 10:55.07 | liable | syntaxx: no, my sarge box doesnt have x, and i have no need for windows apps on it atm |
| 10:55.19 | syntaxx | ic |
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| 10:55.56 | cunzhang | hi,what package php function pg_fetch_arrary() is in? |
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| 10:58.40 | k-man | are the roku soundbrige products any good? |
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| 11:02.17 | Talisker[w] | ok, this is weird, I have a web server running, but I don't know which or how to find and disable it |
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| 11:04.48 | blondie | Talisker[w]: use netstat |
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| 11:05.07 | fluvvell | Skiver: dont need swat, samba setup is a cinch |
| 11:05.49 | blondie | actually |
| 11:05.56 | blondie | Talisker[w]: lsof | grep HTTP |
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| 11:06.07 | Skiver | fluvvell: hi, do you know what should i set in smb.conf , so that other machine in my lan don't have to input uname and pwd in order to access my shares? |
| 11:06.09 | blondie | s/HTTP/http/ |
| 11:06.13 | Werdna_ | I'm afraid you've stolen my nickname, werdna. |
| 11:06.27 | Werdna_ | I would suggest you pick another one - you're being kicked off in about a minute. |
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| 11:07.07 | bionoid | Skiver: public = yes IIRC |
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| 11:07.28 | blondie | lol. |
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| 11:08.02 | karsten | Skiver: Mind, that's not entirely safe. |
| 11:08.11 | fluvvell | Skiver: yes but open shares are a bad idea. Where do you want to share |
| 11:08.30 | Skiver | just in my lan, for 3 pcs. |
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| 11:08.42 | karsten | Skiver: You can also use domain-based logins. User authenticate at the time they log in to their system. |
| 11:08.53 | karsten | Skiver: wifi on the LAN? |
| 11:08.55 | fluvvell | Skiver: something like ... comment = music share |
| 11:08.55 | fluvvell | available = yes |
| 11:08.55 | fluvvell | browseable = yes |
| 11:08.56 | fluvvell | public = yes |
| 11:08.56 | fluvvell | writable = yes |
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| 11:09.00 | bionoid | Skiver: This should be obvious, but storing the password on the clients is probably a better idea than to let them do stuff without authentication |
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| 11:09.03 | karsten | Skiver: trust your users? |
| 11:09.30 | karsten | Skiver: ... and/or roommates, family, pets ... |
| 11:09.39 | Skiver | family yes. |
| 11:09.44 | Skiver | to my sis and bro. |
| 11:10.00 | Skiver | now that, added public = yes in the share section. |
| 11:10.11 | karsten | Skiver: ... their friends, significant (or insignificant) others, exes... |
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| 11:10.17 | Skiver | their machines still pop up the login window |
| 11:10.20 | karsten | Skiver: You've drawn a rather large trust profile. |
| 11:10.34 | fluvvell | !paster |
| 11:10.41 | karsten | fluvvell: /msg the bot. |
| 11:10.44 | bionoid | Skiver: I think you need a machine account for each client |
| 11:10.48 | Werdna | karsten, you are a staffer, correct? |
| 11:10.52 | karsten | Werdna: Nope |
| 11:10.55 | fluvvell | karsten: whats its name? |
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| 11:11.00 | karsten | fluvvell: dpkg |
| 11:11.05 | fluvvell | oh yeah |
| 11:11.20 | Skiver | bionoid : i did not need that, not after my latest package upgrade. |
| 11:11.21 | karsten | Werdna: An irregular. Not an op/staffer. |
| 11:11.32 | Werdna | karsten, my /who must be spastic. |
| 11:11.39 | karsten | Werdna: ...unless I'm eating my oats ... |
| 11:11.45 | karsten | Werdna: ... in which case ... |
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| 11:11.50 | karsten | Werdna: ... I'm just a regular guy. |
| 11:11.50 | bionoid | Oh. Well I havn't touched samba since 2.2, so don't listen to me ;) |
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| 11:13.12 | fluvvell | Skiver: you want those samba settings? |
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| 11:15.06 | Skiver | fluvvell, not at the moment. |
| 11:15.19 | benderz0r | how do I remove xserver-xorg-core from experimental and put in the sid version? |
| 11:15.22 | Skiver | i just want to know which option will not promt the users for login. |
| 11:15.47 | Shadowcat | WHY are you running experimental? |
| 11:16.08 | karsten | Skiver: Set up your network as a domain rather than network, configure Samba as domain controller, set up shares to use auth. |
| 11:16.17 | fluvvell | public = yes might be enough |
| 11:16.22 | victori | is oracle 10g express only for debian unstable? |
| 11:16.27 | benderz0r | I'm not running experimental, I grabbed a package from there to fix a glcore issue (which it did) but introduced a fonthatinglife issue |
| 11:16.28 | victori | or does it run in stable or etch? |
| 11:16.29 | karsten | fluvvell: Yeah, that really wasn't the problem. |
| 11:16.32 | bionoid | Skiver: I know for sure that public=yes and a machine account does that on samba 2.2, but there may have been changes.. |
| 11:16.39 | karsten | fluvvell: It's the security implications. |
| 11:17.05 | victori | oh and is there anything like portaudit / auditpackages for apt-get? |
| 11:17.07 | fluvvell | karsten: I know, but he seems after a quick fix. he can make it non writeable |
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| 11:17.40 | karsten | fluvvell: I prefer people to shoot themselves in the foot using their own gun, their own bullets, and their own finger on the trigger. |
| 11:18.10 | Skiver | karsten : i like the way it is now, it was working before, just want the settings back. |
| 11:18.12 | fluvvell | karsten: you're quite right. I'll shut up. |
| 11:18.18 | Skiver | karsten : thanks anyway. |
| 11:18.34 | benderz0r | Shadowcat: do you know the apt arg to do what I need |
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| 11:18.37 | karsten | Skiver: Suggest you install samba-doc and read. |
| 11:19.09 | karsten | Skiver: aptitude install dwww samba-doc; http://localhost/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba3-ByExample/index.html?type=html |
| 11:21.23 | karsten | Skiver: Two chapters (2 & 3) on setting up a small office lAN. |
| 11:21.25 | karsten | LAN. |
| 11:21.43 | victori | so is there a portaudit type application for apt-get? |
| 11:21.53 | victori | to get security update notifications on insecure packages? |
| 11:22.05 | karsten | victori: subscribe to debian-security |
| 11:22.10 | karsten | victori: subscribe to debian-security-announce |
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| 11:22.28 | victori | well I was hoping for an application to just email me if anything matches on my installed system |
| 11:22.32 | karsten | victori: ... insecure apps are updated as issues are made aware. Just run aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 11:22.46 | liable | can you get like, vga out to avi in for telly? |
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| 11:23.21 | victori | and concerning oracle 10g xe, is it ONLY for unstable? |
| 11:23.27 | victori | or does it work with etch/stable? |
| 11:23.31 | karsten | victori: aptitude has a "show" or "no-act" option you can use to see what packages would be updated. |
| 11:23.39 | victori | (doing a server installation , don't want to go past etch) |
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| 11:24.16 | karsten | !oracle |
| 11:24.16 | jnjb | hello all |
| 11:24.16 | dpkg | methinks oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ |
| 11:24.34 | karsten | victori: Suggest you read that link. |
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| 11:24.57 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 11:25.40 | victori | karsten: yes I noticed the "unstable" tag |
| 11:26.01 | victori | wonder why oracle does not release a oracle distribution for -stable |
| 11:26.14 | karsten | victori: Frankly, I've got NFC. That's the stock bot factoid. |
| 11:26.56 | karsten | victori: AFAIC, Oracle only support Red Hat, officially. |
| 11:27.15 | karsten | victori: The fact that someone's got Oracle installed on Debian doesn't mean Oracle supports Debian. |
| 11:27.49 | victori | krasten, oracle distributes the deb |
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| 11:28.18 | karsten | victori: Well, if you find more info, post it. |
| 11:28.54 | victori | k going to install it now |
| 11:29.01 | victori | fresh netboot install on a rackmount |
| 11:29.21 | karsten | victori: |
| 11:29.25 | karsten | victori: http://search.oracle.com/search/search?default=true&start=1&nodeid=&fid=&group=All&showSimilarDoc=true&keyword=debian |
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| 11:32.28 | karsten | victori: Looks like it's not officially supported outside of free forums... |
| 11:32.51 | victori | thats fine, its the free version |
| 11:32.52 | karsten | victori: ... in any event. |
| 11:32.54 | karsten | Right. |
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| 11:37.49 | karsten | victori: Best I can make out, it's unstable at present: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/install/xe-on-kubuntu.html |
| 11:38.02 | AndroidData | hello |
| 11:38.03 | karsten | victori: ... though you could always try installing it on a stable box. |
| 11:38.13 | karsten | !hi |
| 11:38.13 | dpkg | hello, karsten |
| 11:38.33 | AndroidData | I want to use start-stop-daemon to run a file with arguments. any way to do this? |
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| 11:38.53 | karsten | AndroidData: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 11:38.56 | AndroidData | tried start-stop-daemon --start --make-pidfile --pidfile /var/run/hostserver.pid --exec "/usr/local/byond/bin/DreamDaemon /var/www/admins/androiddata/hostserver/hostserver.dmb 1025 -trusted -logself" |
| 11:39.08 | karsten | AndroidData: Copy and modify to your tastes. That's what it's there for. |
| 11:39.37 | AndroidData | o.O |
| 11:39.38 | karsten | AndroidData: Then: /etc/init.d/my-sysvinitfile (start|stop|restart|reload) etc. |
| 11:39.43 | Moodles | does anyone know if Debian comes with proper wireless tools, like Network Manager.. I have a wireless pc which I installed Ubuntu to to find out it didn't have any wireless tools |
| 11:40.03 | AndroidData | but |
| 11:40.05 | azeem | Moodles: network-manager is available |
| 11:40.08 | AndroidData | ok this confuses me |
| 11:40.10 | karsten | Moodles: I just use ifupdown m'self. |
| 11:40.18 | azeem | Moodles: but still not heavily integrated I think |
| 11:40.23 | AndroidData | where do I input the arguments for my command? |
| 11:40.27 | karsten | AndroidData: Sounds like you're trying to manage a daemon, right? |
| 11:40.32 | karsten | AndroidData: In the file itself. |
| 11:40.39 | AndroidData | uhm |
| 11:40.39 | Moodles | azeem: on the distro cd? |
| 11:40.48 | AndroidData | the file itself?? |
| 11:40.52 | karsten | AndroidData: /etc/init.d/skeleton is a template file. Copy it to something appropriate for your needs. |
| 11:40.56 | AndroidData | DreamDaemon needs those arguments |
| 11:41.04 | karsten | AndroidData: Are you doing this for a single program or lots of them? |
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| 11:41.23 | AndroidData | DreamDaemon is not a program you can jsut run |
| 11:41.38 | azeem | Moodles: it is included in on of the CDs, but I don't know whether it is on the first |
| 11:41.46 | AndroidData | it must run with specified arguments. the filename of the application to host, the port it should run under and any arguments byond that" |
| 11:41.50 | karsten | AndroidData: ... um, then what are you trying to do? |
| 11:41.58 | azeem | Moodles: anyway, the stable version of Debian doesn't have a decent network-manager, use Etch beta3 rather |
| 11:41.58 | SlayerXP | i would ask what this dreamdaemon is, but i bet i won't like the answer |
| 11:42.00 | AndroidData | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.06 | AndroidData | I need start-stop-daemon to exec that |
| 11:42.08 | karsten | SlayerXP: That too. |
| 11:42.13 | AndroidData | but it gives me a stat file not found error |
| 11:42.46 | karsten | AndroidData: Um. Maybe you just need a launcher script / wrapper? |
| 11:43.11 | AndroidData | ya but that script will close without giving the PID |
| 11:43.11 | karsten | AndroidData: Anyhow, DAEMON_ARGS is meant to hold any arguments you need to pass to a *sane* daemon. |
| 11:44.17 | AndroidData | :S |
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| 11:44.42 | karsten | AndroidData: ... and why won't modifying skeleton as I've described worke? |
| 11:44.51 | AndroidData | how would one run a program using a shell script, get the PID and move it to /var/run/hostserver.pid ? |
| 11:45.15 | AndroidData | because the skeleton is just an init.d script. I was first trying to run it manually using start-stop-daemon before making such a script |
| 11:45.50 | Skiver | Thanks karsten. |
| 11:46.04 | karsten | Skiver: NP. |
| 11:46.28 | AndroidData | I need to execute /usr/local/byond/bin/DreamDaemon with a few arguments, and it seems that start-stop-daemon can't do this... any way to get a shell script to do it, retrieve the PID and save the PID in /var/run/hostserver.pid (so I can then use start-stop-daemon on the script)? |
| 11:46.41 | Skiver | karsten : for your info, it's "security = share". |
| 11:47.29 | karsten | Skiver: I knew that, once. |
| 11:48.37 | karsten | AndroidData: Checking. start-stop-daemon apparently takes care of that itself. |
| 11:48.45 | karsten | AndroidData: There's some bash hackery I think you can do. |
| 11:49.10 | AndroidData | hmm? |
| 11:49.12 | karsten | AndroidData: eg: sleep 10 & jobs -p |
| 11:49.26 | karsten | AndroidData: ... which will show you your child process ID. Not sure that works noninteractively. |
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| 11:50.03 | AndroidData | <_< |
| 11:50.09 | karsten | AndroidData: It does. |
| 11:50.11 | AndroidData | not a way to make start-stop-daemon run with arguments? |
| 11:50.28 | AndroidData | the help says this: |
| 11:50.28 | AndroidData | start-stop-daemon -S|--start options ... -- arguments ... |
| 11:50.35 | AndroidData | -- arguments ...? |
| 11:51.11 | karsten | AndroidData: sleep 10 & CHILDPID=$( jobs -p ); echo CHILDPID: $CHILDPID |
| 11:51.21 | cydork | AndroidData, start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON -- $DAEMON_ARGS |
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| 11:51.58 | AndroidData | whoa |
| 11:52.26 | cydork | AndroidData, that takes care of all, and that was in init.d/skeleton :) |
| 11:52.42 | karsten | cydork: Yeah, I got a little tired of talking to that wall. |
| 11:52.42 | AndroidData | oh |
| 11:52.56 | AndroidData | :( |
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| 11:53.35 | karsten | AndroidData: To repeat myself: modding skeleton appropriately should do what you want in a bog-standard, compliant, SysV init compatible sort of way. |
| 11:53.45 | AndroidData | alright |
| 11:54.34 | karsten | AndroidData: Not that I know anything about this shit or anything, you know. I'm just another dork on IRC. |
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| 11:56.33 | karsten | cydork: At the *very* least you should update to APOPcorn. |
| 11:56.54 | karsten | omry|work: There's a hazard with that stuff, you know. |
| 11:56.58 | cydork | karsten, hehehe |
| 11:57.05 | karsten | omry|work: SOmetimes you get a trojan of smtcporn. |
| 11:57.24 | AndroidData | ...porn? |
| 11:57.26 | omry|work | karsten: sometimes your smtpcorn turn into spamcorn when you are not looking. |
| 11:57.37 | karsten | omry|work: ... or worse ... |
| 11:57.40 | karsten | omry|work: ... when you are. |
| 11:57.42 | Diazepam | hey guys anyone here familiar with Hylafax - need to know where the smtp details are kept for forwarding faxes as an email |
| 11:57.49 | karsten | Diazepam: Use efax |
| 11:58.01 | omry|work | karsten: I am at 14:56. |
| 11:58.07 | omry|work | when are you? |
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| 11:58.22 | karsten | Diazepam: ... if you possibly can. Hylafax has always been an insane PITA for me. |
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| 11:58.30 | karsten | omry|work: About ten hours. |
| 11:58.39 | Diazepam | karsten - ive got Hylafax working well |
| 11:58.48 | omry|work | wonders of the Inter-Net!!1 |
| 11:58.48 | karsten | Diazepam: OK, nevermind then. |
| 11:59.06 | Diazepam | and I even put the smtp details in - but cant remember which config file i put the smtp settings in |
| 11:59.15 | Diazepam | and now i need to build another machine |
| 11:59.50 | Diazepam | i think it uses sendmail mangling |
| 11:59.57 | karsten | omry|work: Enjoying your ceasefire? |
| 11:59.59 | Diazepam | from memory |
| 12:00.43 | karsten | victori: Thanks for the heads-up on O-10xe BTW, wasn't aware of that. |
| 12:00.52 | victori | ya np |
| 12:01.04 | victori | pretty much the easiest oracle db install so far. |
| 12:01.16 | karsten | victori: That's not saying much ;-) |
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| 12:01.42 | victori | it also has excellent backwards compatibility from old dumps (ie: imported oracle 7.x dump (a db from 1992)). |
| 12:02.08 | victori | s/from/for |
| 12:02.08 | victori | ya oracle has always been a pain in the ass to setup |
| 12:02.09 | karsten | victori: Coolio. Though I'd be markedly inclined toward, say, postgresql these days. |
| 12:02.09 | victori | well except in windows |
| 12:02.13 | karsten | Starting fresh. |
| 12:02.18 | omry|work | karsten: while it lasts. |
| 12:02.34 | victori | well my company uses oracle for the time being, so I need to use oracle. I am updating us from oracle 7 to oracle 10g |
| 12:02.43 | karsten | omry|work: Da. |
| 12:03.00 | victori | once I finish writing my PoS application, which uses postgresql - we will use that. |
| 12:03.01 | tralala | victori: why don't you upgrade the company ;) |
| 12:03.16 | victori | our current point of sale application depends on oracle |
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| 12:03.24 | victori | until a I have a replacement, no go |
| 12:04.18 | victori | and to be honest, I don't see why more corporations go with postgresql, oracle is becoming more irrelevant day to day. |
| 12:05.31 | karsten | victori: They are, but there's *massive* inertia in database systems. |
| 12:05.54 | victori | oh ya like postgresql can't scale |
| 12:06.07 | karsten | victori: No, it's not that. |
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| 12:06.34 | karsten | victori: porting a running enterprise database, *and* all its ancillary systems, is a major undertaking. |
| 12:06.46 | karsten | victori: Huge risk, particularly if you've already got something which works. |
| 12:07.10 | karsten | victori: I've seen systems still running based on 40 year old code and data formats. |
| 12:07.22 | victori | ya you have a point there, however companies are still going with fresh oracle deployments still. |
| 12:07.37 | karsten | victori: Some are, some aren't. |
| 12:08.43 | victori | that and these proprietary databases drop support - then what? screwed? For example, our current oracle 7 db - I can't connect to it anymore at least not from the oracle thin drivers provided on oracle |
| 12:08.53 | victori | since support was depreciated for it. |
| 12:09.07 | victori | nor can I find an archive for a java thin driver for it |
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| 12:09.31 | karsten | Fun. |
| 12:10.12 | victori | what makes it so fun now, since I updated to 10g, is now getting our current programmer to update his point-of-sale application to be linked to the new oracle libs so it can connect to the new db |
| 12:10.19 | victori | i am sure he will throw a hissy fit |
| 12:10.27 | tralala | victori: you should try a PoS application that is expensive and so locked to ora8i that even an oracle upgrade will break it |
| 12:11.19 | Skiver | guys, how to compress a password protected zip file ? |
| 12:11.20 | victori | well once I am done with our new PoS application, it will most likely be posted on fm.net. Hopefully gather some interest for improvements. |
| 12:12.03 | tralala | Skiver: man zip? |
| 12:12.44 | karsten | Skiver: You can't. |
| 12:13.05 | karsten | Skiver: ... or rather, you shouldn't be able to by much if it's got a good crypto mechanism. |
| 12:13.25 | karsten | Skiver: compression works by noting redundancy in a file and encoding it in a shorter form. |
| 12:13.53 | karsten | Skiver: encryption works by turning cleartext into what should be indistinguishable from white noise. So: no redundancy. |
| 12:14.08 | karsten | Skiver: The key is: first compress, then encrypt. |
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| 12:16.49 | Skiver | karsten : http://xarchiver.xfce.org/ |
| 12:17.44 | karsten | Skiver: Um, point? |
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| 12:18.59 | pavlix | hi, could you recommend me an imap server? |
| 12:19.21 | petemc | dovecot works for me |
| 12:19.24 | karsten | Skiver: If that's the tool you're using, it's a front-end to a bunch of methods. You'd have to know which applied to your file. |
| 12:19.47 | pavlix | petemc: i'll try it, thanks |
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| 12:21.38 | Soeki | morning, i have a question. how can i change the default OS that grub loads? |
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| 12:22.24 | victori | menu.list |
| 12:22.29 | victori | menu.lst in grub directory |
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| 12:22.33 | neenaoffline | Soeki, vim /boot/Grub/menu.lst |
| 12:22.36 | Soeki | yeah im watching it |
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| 12:22.52 | liable | is it interesting? |
| 12:22.54 | warpedby0 | grub in lowercase |
| 12:23.14 | Coke | How do I bind a certain sound driver to a specific ALSA card slot? I've tried the alias snd-slot-0 module_name, but to no avail. |
| 12:23.16 | neenaoffline | liable, hehe |
| 12:23.36 | Soeki | neenaoffline i opened the menu.list |
| 12:23.50 | Soeki | and i dont see any way to change the defaul choice |
| 12:24.04 | petemc | Soeki: the order they appear in the file |
| 12:24.04 | Soeki | other than simply changing the order (i think) |
| 12:24.18 | Soeki | ah, then i wasnt that lost |
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| 12:24.46 | wsjunior | could anybody help me with this fglrx issue? http://rafb.net/paste/results/GgyHfy42.html |
| 12:24.53 | wsjunior | i get this trying to generate the fglrx module with module-assistant |
| 12:24.54 | Soeki | thanks guys |
| 12:24.56 | liable | there is the savedefault thing, but i think thats more for one time booting of test kernels so to speak |
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| 12:25.58 | bart416_ | how long does it take to transfer 60mb over a serial port? |
| 12:27.00 | bart416_ | I would like to know before i start searching for a serial cable :| |
| 12:27.11 | victori | a while |
| 12:27.30 | victori | at what bps? |
| 12:27.35 | victori | 9600 (standard) |
| 12:27.44 | victori | its slow period |
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| 12:28.04 | bart416_ | victori, uhm from a half year old desktop comp to a 8 year old laptop :| |
| 12:28.05 | bart416_ | :P |
| 12:28.17 | victori | why over serial anyway? |
| 12:28.19 | victori | cat5? |
| 12:28.23 | tralala | wsjunior: are you sure this kernel version is suppored by the driver version? |
| 12:28.28 | bart416_ | victori, drivers just don't load :| |
| 12:29.00 | bart416_ | The other option is using the method tralala explained and split it in flopies |
| 12:29.10 | lodder_ | hello |
| 12:29.15 | tralala | victori, bart416_: the serial port can do transfers with 111kbps |
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| 12:29.22 | wsjunior | tralala: 2.6.17 |
| 12:29.26 | wsjunior | tralala: is it? |
| 12:29.47 | tralala | wsjunior: I have no idea. You should see this on the ati driver pages. |
| 12:29.49 | victori | so thats what? 13k/sec |
| 12:29.55 | victori | have fun buddy |
| 12:30.11 | wsjunior | tralala: well it worked with gentoo and ubuntu using 2.6.17 kernels |
| 12:30.21 | bart416_ | victori, actually 13,875k/sec :P |
| 12:30.21 | wsjunior | tralala: so i think this isnt the problem |
| 12:30.44 | victori | compiling the debian kernel config takes forever |
| 12:30.46 | victori | jesus |
| 12:30.56 | lodder_ | I think i messed up my vhost configuration of apache2 and i don't get it working. could anybody help me out pls |
| 12:31.01 | tralala | victori: when your other alternative is to transfer it using floppies, boy 13K is amazing! |
| 12:31.37 | tarzeau | victori: hm? |
| 12:31.40 | tarzeau | victori: on what computer? |
| 12:31.56 | tralala | bart416_: did you manage to hook them with a serial cable and start the transfer? |
| 12:32.04 | bart416_ | no |
| 12:32.14 | bart416_ | But i want to know how fast it goes before i start searching for my serial cable :| |
| 12:32.18 | bart416_ | Haven't used one in ages |
| 12:32.19 | bart416_ | lol |
| 12:32.27 | victori | tarzeau: athlon xp1800 |
| 12:32.33 | victori | isnt the newest but respectable |
| 12:32.39 | finrod | victori: Taking out modules you don't need saves you loads of time. |
| 12:33.00 | victori | ya that is true but I really did not feel like messing with it |
| 12:33.04 | bart416_ | Possible i gave it away i guess, who still uses serial cables these days actually (unless your an insane belgian like me that actually considers using a serial cable network) |
| 12:33.14 | tralala | bart416_: The actual speed depends on the chipset but I think the chances are 115200bps |
| 12:33.15 | lodder_ | I think i messed up my vhost configuration of apache2 and i don't get it working. i connect with all my vhost and i always come out on the same page. could anybody help me out pls |
| 12:33.15 | victori | i just need a compiled kernel for nvelan driver |
| 12:33.38 | finrod | victori: You can also get the kernel tree for the precompiled kernels. |
| 12:33.44 | tarzeau | victori: and that's slow? i used to compile a kernel in 5 hours on sparc classic |
| 12:33.45 | bart416_ | tralala, i'm not sure if the laptop can handle that speeds |
| 12:33.54 | victori | finrod, i did, still complains |
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| 12:34.11 | tralala | bart416_: I do. To hook up a console on a pc without one. |
| 12:34.17 | treeshoe | what is a great distro for 64 bit pcs? |
| 12:34.17 | victori | tarzeau: this is why I stick to netbsd for old platforms, cross compile kernel+userland |
| 12:34.30 | petemc | solaris |
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| 12:34.40 | tralala | wsjunior: I don't know then |
| 12:34.44 | tarzeau | petemc: not supported on that old hardware |
| 12:34.46 | lodder_ | could anybody help me out pls |
| 12:34.49 | jharrisonwk | greetings debianites |
| 12:34.52 | tarzeau | petemc: where can i get sun os? |
| 12:34.52 | finrod | victori: Are the nvelan drivers in the repositories? If so, module-assistant will (probably) do everything for you. |
| 12:35.00 | victori | no they are not |
| 12:35.01 | bart416_ | tralala, last time i used a serial cable was on a lan party to configure a rackmount router, and actually i pulled it out and ended up just installing the remote console software so i could use a cat5 cable |
| 12:35.03 | victori | due to license issues |
| 12:35.08 | petemc | tarzeau: pass |
| 12:35.20 | tralala | treeshoe: debian amd64 |
| 12:35.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sun os? |
| 12:35.51 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what was before solaris (before system v) |
| 12:36.05 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I know but ...? |
| 12:36.07 | petemc | lodder_: check the logs |
| 12:36.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sun os? |
| 12:36.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes |
| 12:36.21 | lodder_ | petemc: i already have that done that |
| 12:36.38 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: why not, it's one of the rare operating systems i haven't tried |
| 12:36.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: well in that case |
| 12:36.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: can it play wop? |
| 12:37.09 | lodder_ | petemc: i don't find anything in the logs |
| 12:37.14 | lodder_ | thats mu problem |
| 12:37.21 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it can play nethack |
| 12:37.26 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sweet |
| 12:37.29 | neenaoffline | What do I do if a package for etch is broken ??? just wait ? |
| 12:37.33 | petemc | lodder_: well, the symptoms you're seeing are caused by a configuration error, usually |
| 12:37.37 | tarzeau | neenaoffline: check BTS |
| 12:37.42 | jharrisonwk | neenaoffline: or fix it |
| 12:37.58 | neenaoffline | jharrisonwk, fix it ? |
| 12:38.06 | neenaoffline | tarzeau, BTS ? |
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| 12:38.10 | cydork | !bts |
| 12:38.10 | neenaoffline | !BTS |
| 12:38.11 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 12:38.18 | neenaoffline | heh |
| 12:38.22 | lodder_ | petemc: i thought so 2 but i can't seem to find anyhting i'll search my syslog |
| 12:38.29 | petemc | lodder_: it wont be in syslog |
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| 12:38.33 | jharrisonwk | neenaoffline: what package? |
| 12:38.49 | petemc | lodder_: /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 12:39.22 | lodder_ | [Tue Aug 22 14:38:46 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 12:39.22 | lodder_ | [Tue Aug 22 14:38:59 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-16 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 12:39.28 | petemc | dont paste here |
| 12:39.36 | lodder_ | petemc: this is all it says |
| 12:39.41 | lodder_ | yea sorry |
| 12:39.42 | neenaoffline | jharrisonwk, I want wdm , which needs defoma and ttf-*** , which needs perl , which needs perl base ,PERL BASE ! |
| 12:39.50 | tralala | bart416_: yeah, cat5 (or wifi) is great as long as the machine boots normally. |
| 12:39.52 | neenaoffline | jharrisonwk, on etch |
| 12:40.02 | petemc | lodder_: double check your vhost config |
| 12:40.15 | liable | lodder_: are all your hosts vhosts, or do you have the main host too? |
| 12:40.47 | liable | hrm, actually i'll shut up, as i have never run apache2 |
| 12:40.56 | lodder_ | liable: i have the main host too |
| 12:41.00 | tralala | bart416_: by the way what kind of software do you have on that laptop that will be able to transfer the files? |
| 12:41.11 | bart416_ | not sure yet :| |
| 12:41.21 | liable | lodder_: have no main host, have them all vhosts and see what gives |
| 12:41.36 | bart416_ | tralala, I'll figure out something, serial ports are old |
| 12:41.44 | bart416_ | so the software to utilize them should be old as wel :| |
| 12:41.48 | bart416_ | So it should fit on a floppy |
| 12:41.49 | tralala | bart416_: well, you might want to answer that question before starting to search for the cable. |
| 12:41.53 | lodder_ | wel now i have them all like this www.domain.com, mail.domain.con, ... |
| 12:42.20 | bart416_ | tralala, And i searched the box of my old printers and i can't find one :'( |
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| 12:43.07 | tralala | bart416_: you can buy one from the shop around the corner. Actually you'd be better off buying a parallel one |
| 12:43.36 | cydork | lodder_, check http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 12:43.41 | bart416_ | tralala, i live in a small village, no computer shop :P |
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| 12:44.08 | bart416_ | so its: take the bus, go to city, get cable, come back |
| 12:44.10 | tralala | bart416_: and no internet providers I bet... |
| 12:44.21 | bart416_ | tralala, uhm we do have internet providers :| |
| 12:44.38 | bart416_ | Cable, ADSL and soon maybe fiber :| |
| 12:44.48 | tralala | bart416_: are you serious? I mean the village and everything? |
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| 12:45.05 | lodder_ | petemc: i can't seem to find the error but before i had try to actived ssl and then tryed to remove it again |
| 12:45.06 | bart416_ | yeah, we have internet :| |
| 12:45.24 | petemc | lodder_: nothing in the error log? |
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| 12:45.45 | Ronin | fiber internet but no computer store? heh |
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| 12:45.56 | bart416_ | maybe fiber soon :| |
| 12:46.04 | tralala | bart416_: you better find a neighbour with a cable then or you'll buy the bus ticket |
| 12:46.04 | lodder_ | petemc: in my default site i yust placed on top NameVirtualHost * and i restarted and now it works |
| 12:46.18 | bart416_ | They are puling a fiber cable on a road that is about 1km from here |
| 12:46.20 | bart416_ | atleast the plans exist |
| 12:46.39 | bart416_ | If they do big chance they would get it to here, but i doubt it would be payable |
| 12:46.40 | bart416_ | lol |
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| 12:47.12 | lodder_ | petemc: nothing in error log |
| 12:47.18 | bart416_ | And i'll take the bus ticket :| |
| 12:48.10 | tralala | bart416_: and as you go shopping buy them both - serial and parallel, just to be on the safe side. |
| 12:48.43 | bart416_ | tralala, I doubt i'll go today tough, it will take me 4 hours in total |
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| 12:49.13 | bart416_ | where can you find the base debs package for etch ? |
| 12:49.42 | bart416_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.42 | bart416_ | File: Contents-i386.gz ? |
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| 12:51.20 | tralala | bart416_: are you sure you really want etch right now? |
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| 12:51.39 | bart416_ | tralala, the hardware support is better i guess |
| 12:51.42 | tralala | bart416_: does this laptop have a cd drive? |
| 12:51.47 | bart416_ | no |
| 12:51.59 | bart416_ | tralala, i have the etch installer on it allready |
| 12:52.14 | bart416_ | So i only need the base debs to install it |
| 12:52.20 | tralala | bart416_: the hardware support is mainly a kernel matter and sarge has 2.6.16 installer available |
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| 12:52.52 | liable | bart416_: get a new pcmcia card for it, for all intensive purposes, sounds like the one you have is fuxored |
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| 12:53.00 | tralala | bart416_: but I really doubt you'll have a problem with such an old hardware and any of the 2.6 kernels |
| 12:54.35 | Tangotango | How can I ensure that lshd will remain running when I upgrade from woody to sarge? |
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| 12:55.12 | tralala | Tangotango: hold this package |
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| 12:55.34 | Tangotango | tralala: Ah, okay :) |
| 12:56.04 | Tangotango | "aptitude hold lsh-server" ? |
| 12:56.18 | tralala | Tangotango: though you'll have to restart it at the end if you want it upgraded |
| 12:56.23 | tralala | Tangotango: /msg dpkg hold |
| 12:56.29 | mitchell | anyone can help me? :P, im having a bit of a problem, my system starts up ask for login (username) then it hangs a few sec and asks for username again >.< |
| 12:56.51 | Tangotango | tralala: Ah, I see. Thank you! :D |
| 12:57.07 | azeem | mitchell: did you get the chance to enter your password? |
| 12:57.07 | tralala | Tangotango: you're welcome |
| 12:57.08 | maxy | mitchell: wrong password? :) |
| 12:57.18 | liable | mitchell: with kdm? can you log into console? |
| 12:57.33 | liable | there must be a bug for this by now |
| 12:57.44 | bart416_ | tralala, actually i have the 2.6 kernel on the laptop, but its the install kernel |
| 12:57.58 | mitchell | its just in init 3, no window manager |
| 12:58.19 | liable | mitchell: why are you using init 3? |
| 12:58.27 | mitchell | maxy: i cant enter a password, just keeps asking for username |
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| 12:58.44 | bart416_ | i assume getting gcc on the thing might just do the trick :| |
| 12:58.51 | bukowski | hi i have a problem about the bind |
| 12:58.52 | bukowski | root@ns1:/etc/bind# /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 12:58.53 | bukowski | Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 12:58.53 | bukowski | . |
| 12:58.53 | bukowski | Starting domain name service: named. |
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| 12:59.03 | bukowski | how can i solve this |
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| 12:59.26 | mitchell | azeem: doesnt ask for pass at all, just for username again ;p |
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| 13:00.03 | tralala | bart416_: what is the "trick" you intend to do with gcc? |
| 13:00.18 | liable | gah, i wish old bugs would be closed, if you check bts for gdm, theres bugs listed from over 2 years ago! |
| 13:00.26 | bart416_ | uhm, compile the necesary modules for the kernel :| |
| 13:00.28 | liable | it stupid |
| 13:00.32 | liable | its.. |
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| 13:01.08 | maxy | mitchell: is this a fresh system, or did you do anything "strange"? does it ask for password if you enter a different username? |
| 13:01.10 | bart416_ | but then again, gcc alone isn't enough |
| 13:01.15 | bart416_ | so it would fail anyway :'( |
| 13:01.29 | tralala | bart416_: it would be far easier to transfer a full debian kernel directly |
| 13:01.44 | bart416_ | tralala, how big is a full debian kernel? |
| 13:02.02 | mitchell | maxy its not a fresh system, but i cant remember that i did anything strange ;p |
| 13:02.10 | neenaoffline | isn't that linux/HURD kernel ? |
| 13:02.32 | tralala | bart416_: However I don't expect this to help you make any use of the pcmcia nic for it needs some userspace utilities as well |
| 13:02.52 | bart416_ | tralala, i can transfer those as wel |
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| 13:03.01 | bart416_ | The packages would be enough |
| 13:03.02 | Alam_Debian | what was the tigger for the dpkg bot about apt-get and keys? |
| 13:03.03 | liable | neenaoffline: um, thats what you have when you install debian.. a debian patched and compiled kernel. |
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| 13:03.21 | neenaoffline | ah |
| 13:03.23 | bart416_ | i have udpkg on the installer kernel its ramdisk |
| 13:03.28 | bulio| | How do I go about setting an ip address for debian to use? |
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| 13:03.42 | bart416_ | or i could just get it of a mirror :S |
| 13:03.44 | bulio| | DHCP is using xx.xx.xx.183 |
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| 13:03.51 | bulio| | but I need that to be xx.xx.xx.4 |
| 13:03.53 | tralala | neenaoffline: this is why it's good to hang around here - you never know when you'll get enlightened |
| 13:04.10 | bulio| | is there a command I could use? |
| 13:04.12 | neenaoffline | How do I check if X is downloaded , installed , and configured right ? |
| 13:04.20 | maxy | mitchell: there must be something in the logfiles..? auth.log, syslog, dmesg? |
| 13:04.24 | liable | bulio|: there is no point in trying to hide an interal ip on a public chat room... |
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| 13:04.28 | neenaoffline | tralala, yeah :) |
| 13:04.38 | tralala | ;) |
| 13:04.41 | victori | anyone know how to create an initrd image? |
| 13:04.44 | mitchell | kk, rebooting live cd again ;p |
| 13:04.48 | xxpor2 | bulio|, :D |
| 13:04.50 | vlt | Hello all. This weekend I changed one server's mainboard (same type with onboard NIC). Now several times a day I get about 10 syslog messages "kernel: ... eth0: Corrupted packet received ..." and then "kernel: ... eth0: Media Link off", ten seonds later "kernel: ... eth0: Media Link On 100m...". Is this surely a hardware related problem? |
| 13:05.00 | tralala | bart416_: yes, you can |
| 13:05.12 | maxy | mitchell: or maybe it has mounted the filesystem read-only or something like that? |
| 13:05.15 | tralala | victori: man mkinitrd |
| 13:05.20 | victori | thank you |
| 13:05.51 | mitchell | maxy how can i check? :P |
| 13:06.07 | tralala | you're welcome |
| 13:06.15 | victori | tralala: I don't have that man page |
| 13:06.26 | bulio| | anyone have a suggestion? |
| 13:06.27 | maxy | mitchell: read boot messages, or start with "root=/bin/bash" lilo/grub option |
| 13:06.29 | tralala | victori: do you run etch or sid? |
| 13:06.39 | victori | etch |
| 13:06.49 | tralala | try man yaird |
| 13:07.01 | bulio| | can I use ifconfig to set an ip? |
| 13:07.01 | mitchell | maxy im trying live cd atm ;p |
| 13:07.08 | victori | there is mkinitramfs |
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| 13:07.13 | victori | no yaird |
| 13:07.17 | maxy | no bad idea neither :) |
| 13:07.28 | liable | maxy: itym init=/bin/bash |
| 13:07.30 | tralala | victori: which arch? i386? |
| 13:07.31 | maxy | (I mean init=) |
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| 13:08.10 | bart416_ | tralala, is this a full debian kernel: ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/2.6 |
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| 13:08.27 | victori | i386 |
| 13:08.31 | victori | mkinitramfs is what I need |
| 13:08.39 | liable | bulio|: man interfaces, man ifconfig, zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 13:09.24 | tralala | victori: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-blah-blah might also (re)create the initrd image |
| 13:09.42 | liable | yes it should |
| 13:09.45 | AndroidData | hi. I'm using a shell_exec-ish procedure. Is there a command to retrieve the numeric value of CHMOD which I can access non-interactively? |
| 13:09.54 | victori | tralala: better yet how do I get a kernel that does not depend on initrd? |
| 13:10.13 | AndroidData | (reinstalled the box! onto rewriting my software!) |
| 13:10.23 | mitchell | maxy cant exec /bin/login, no such file or directory lawl :P in auth.log |
| 13:10.23 | liable | victori: compile one |
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| 13:11.15 | tralala | victori: this is installation specific - it depends on things like the root fs, raid, disk controllers etc. It requires to compile a kernel with everything that's needed to boot the particular system built-in. |
| 13:12.10 | Tangotango | tralala: I held lsh-server using the instructions from dpkg, and it appears in "dpkg --get-selections | grep hold", but it's still in "The following packages will be upgraded:" when I dist-upgrade. Is that okay? |
| 13:12.12 | vlt | AndroidData: man stat |
| 13:12.15 | tralala | victori: generally there are more drawbacks than benefits in this approach |
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| 13:12.32 | bulio| | ifconfig eth0 10.xx isn't working |
| 13:12.36 | tralala | Tangotango: erm, no |
| 13:12.38 | bulio| | I can connect but not ping or anything |
| 13:12.58 | Tangotango | tralala: Oh :/ |
| 13:13.00 | tralala | Tangotango: perhaps you should go with upgrade instead of dist-upgrade |
| 13:13.10 | liable | mitchell: chroot in and reinstall login |
| 13:13.25 | Tangotango | tralala: Are there any drawbacks? |
| 13:13.37 | liable | bulio|: is the iface UP? |
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| 13:13.40 | HNT | Hello everybody, |
| 13:13.41 | HNT | i'v got a problem with Kaffeine, he is always displaying the time of the movie (eg. 0.15.30 of 1.39.25), how can i hide that ? |
| 13:13.59 | tralala | Tangotango: yes - some packages (the kernel?) might not be upgraded |
| 13:14.24 | Tangotango | tralala: Ah, okay... I'll try it anyway ;) I can't afford to lose the ssh connection |
| 13:14.34 | bulio| | liable: what do you mean? |
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| 13:14.39 | maxy | mitchell: maybe harddisk troubles, if you havn't changed anything? |
| 13:14.50 | tralala | Tangotango: but that can be your case anyhow, because you want to keep things |
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| 13:15.12 | liable | bulio|: it needs to be up and running to work, does ifconfig eth0 show it as up and running? |
| 13:15.15 | tralala | Tangotango: the ssh connections are not lost during dist-upgrade. Event if the ssh server is restarted the connections are not killed. |
| 13:15.21 | bulio| | liable: yes |
| 13:15.34 | liable | bulio|: and what does route say? |
| 13:15.37 | bulio| | it shows eth0 with an inet address |
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| 13:15.43 | HNT | don't anybody jnow how to hide the past time in Kaffeine ? |
| 13:15.46 | Tangotango | tralala: Really? Last time I tried it, it killed lshd and all the other daemons |
| 13:15.53 | mitchell | maxy could it be anything with permissions? |
| 13:15.54 | bulio| | Destination: 10.0.0.0 |
| 13:15.56 | bulio| | Gateway * |
| 13:16.00 | liable | bulio|: but does it say its running and up? i didnt ask if it had an adress |
| 13:16.03 | bulio| | Genmask 255.0.0.0 |
| 13:16.18 | bulio| | Flags U Metric 0 Ref 0 Use iface eth0 |
| 13:16.21 | maxy | mitchell: unlikely. |
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| 13:16.59 | bulio| | nothing about running in there |
| 13:17.00 | Tangotango | tralala: Maybe I should try using a different sshd? |
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| 13:17.04 | tralala | Tangotango: I'm not so certain about lshd. With sshd though it kills the listening daemon but not the deamons that handle the established connections. You can try to manually restart the lshd and see |
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| 13:17.16 | maxy | mitchell: I'd guess, either the drive containing /bin/login was not mounted, or /bin/login is really not there any more... |
| 13:17.28 | Tangotango | tralala: Ah, okay |
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| 13:17.55 | tralala | Tangotango: even if you loose the connection you will be able to reconnect once the daemon is restarted |
| 13:18.20 | mitchell | maxy the file is on the hard drive, well in knoppix at least |
| 13:18.33 | Tangotango | tralala: Hmm :/ Last time that wasn't the case - I waited, but none of the servers seemed to come back up |
| 13:18.57 | lou80 | I've used debootstrap to install a base system on a spare partition and I'm able to boot into it (with an added kernel). Is there a package I can install which will give me networking and a debian desktop? |
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| 13:19.25 | lou80 | or at least get me moving in that direction? |
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| 13:20.10 | maxy | mitchell: I think you should fsck the drive, just to be sure |
| 13:20.11 | AndroidData | I don't get the "stat" command? How can I make it return "0755" or something like that, referring to the chmod value of my file? |
| 13:20.35 | tralala | bart416_: no, this is a debian installer kernel. This is a normal one: http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-16sarge1_i386.deb |
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| 13:20.51 | cydork | lou80, i dont know about any documentation but man interfaces and then setup the networking and then run tasksel |
| 13:20.53 | tralala | Tangotango: last time you did what? |
| 13:21.12 | Tangotango | tralala: Last time I did dist-upgrade from woody->sarge on this machine |
| 13:21.16 | lou80 | cydork will do thanks!! |
| 13:21.45 | bulio| | why when I do ifconfig eth1 down then ifconfig eth1 up it won't start the network? |
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| 13:21.58 | tralala | Tangotango: ok, to be on the safe side you can install ssh from sarge, start it and use it to do the dist-upgrade |
| 13:22.01 | lou80 | cydork should i boot into my base system or just chroot to it? |
| 13:22.28 | Tangotango | tralala: Okay, I'll do that :) |
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| 13:23.19 | Tangotango | tralala: Gah, lost my ssh connection again: "Stopping lsh secure shell v2 server: lshd", but I can telnet this time |
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| 13:23.40 | tralala | bulio|: because ifconfig ethX up only starts the interface, it doesn't configure it |
| 13:23.50 | bulio| | oh |
| 13:23.56 | cydork | lou80, anything will do.. |
| 13:23.56 | bulio| | how would I configure it> |
| 13:24.07 | lou80 | k |
| 13:24.11 | tralala | Tangotango: when you restart the server? |
| 13:24.12 | bulio| | also, how can I change my ftp debian mirror? |
| 13:24.15 | bulio| | what command was it |
| 13:24.25 | bulio| | tralala: ifconfig then what? |
| 13:24.28 | Tangotango | tralala: No, when I upgrade some packages to sarge versions |
| 13:24.34 | tralala | bulio|: ifup ethX |
| 13:25.17 | tralala | Tangotango: I don't know the reason. Perhaps the lshd is retarded. |
| 13:25.19 | bulio| | ifup: interface already configured |
| 13:25.24 | mitchell | maxy kk ill try :) |
| 13:25.24 | maxy | mitchell: if this problem really came "out of nowhere" and you have seen "random crashes" before, you should also run a memtest86 (from knoppix boot menu) before you proceed |
| 13:25.26 | darrh00 | I removed xchat-gnome by using apt-get remove --purge xchat-gnome,but it still exists in the gnome menu, update-menus just does not help? why? |
| 13:25.27 | Tangotango | tralala: lol, maybe ;) |
| 13:25.33 | tralala | bulio|: ifdown and then ifup |
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| 13:25.36 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 13:25.55 | junix|work | is there a reason that boson wont install |
| 13:26.08 | bulio| | worked, thanks! |
| 13:26.15 | junix|work | on unstable |
| 13:26.16 | bulio| | Now, how do I pick debian ftp mirros |
| 13:26.16 | DustyDingo | does anyone know a terminal, which supports pngs at background with transparency |
| 13:26.19 | bulio| | *mirrors |
| 13:26.23 | bulio| | not through sources.list |
| 13:26.26 | bulio| | the curses based one |
| 13:26.31 | bukowski | how can i install zend on debian? |
| 13:26.32 | tralala | junix|work: a possible reason is a bug in the package |
| 13:26.44 | bart416_ | tralala, what is the command again to split something in flopies? |
| 13:26.45 | tralala | bulio|: apt-setup |
| 13:27.29 | bulio| | ifconfig eth1 10.16.74.4 |
| 13:27.32 | bulio| | ifup eth1 |
| 13:27.37 | tralala | bart416_: dd if=bigfile of=partN bs=1400k skip=N-1 count=1 |
| 13:27.39 | bulio| | it gives me a different ip addres |
| 13:27.41 | bulio| | .183 |
| 13:27.42 | bulio| | why? |
| 13:28.06 | tralala | bulio|: man interfaces |
| 13:28.35 | tralala | bart416_: for N in 1,2,3,etc |
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| 13:29.45 | tralala | bart416_: make sure that you can extract the deb package on the laptop or convert it to tgz before transferring |
| 13:30.04 | bart416_ | tralala, how do i convert it to tar.gz ? |
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| 13:32.34 | bulio| | after I apt-get install fluxbox, how do I run it? |
| 13:32.39 | limbeaux | I have a machine with 2 nics. is there a way to set iptables to accept everything from a specific nic? |
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| 13:33.02 | bulio| | startx is not found |
| 13:33.19 | Ronin | bulio|: did you install x? |
| 13:33.20 | tralala | bart416_: ar -x file.deb data.tar.gz - and you have the data.tar.gz which is the .deb content |
| 13:33.46 | bulio| | Ronin: shouldn't x come with Fluxbox? |
| 13:33.47 | tralala | bart416_: what's the root filesystem on the laptop? |
| 13:33.57 | Ronin | bulio|: no not necessarily |
| 13:34.02 | bart416_ | uhm what you mean |
| 13:34.08 | bart416_ | ext2 or 3 |
| 13:34.09 | SerajewelKS | limbeaux: iptables -I INPUT 1 -i ethX -J ACCEPT |
| 13:34.20 | bulio| | which one do I need Ronin? |
| 13:34.24 | limbeaux | Thanks!! |
| 13:34.25 | bulio| | xfree86-common? |
| 13:34.39 | SerajewelKS | limbeaux: err -j not -J |
| 13:35.02 | limbeaux | ok |
| 13:35.03 | tralala | bart416_: well, if it isn't ext2 you won't be able to boot the system without an initrd image (and you don't have one) |
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| 13:36.20 | bart416_ | tralala, i don't see ny initrd image in lilo config for the 2.2 kernel install |
| 13:36.40 | limbeaux | Thanks, that did it!! |
| 13:36.45 | Ronin | bulio|: x-window-system-core at the very least |
| 13:36.48 | SerajewelKS | limbeaux: np |
| 13:36.56 | tralala | bart416_: that's okay. Transfer the kernel and try to boot it |
| 13:37.00 | bart416_ | okay |
| 13:37.04 | bart416_ | I'll bzip the files |
| 13:37.06 | bart416_ | to make them smaller |
| 13:38.00 | tralala | bart416_: it's gzipped already - you won't gain even a single floppy by bzipping it |
| 13:38.14 | lou80 | I'm trying to run a second copy apt-get from within a chrooted enviroment (with its own /etc/apt/sources.list) but it fails to install the packages after It has downloaded them. Do I need to mount the proc file system or something into the chrooted enviroment to get it to work? |
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| 13:38.25 | tarzeau | tralala: he could gain alot with lzma |
| 13:38.31 | tarzeau | bart416_: tried lzma yet? |
| 13:38.37 | bart416_ | nope |
| 13:38.42 | tarzeau | tralala: also rzip > bzip2 |
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| 13:38.52 | SerajewelKS | lou80: that might help. you need /proc /sys and /dev |
| 13:38.53 | bart416_ | tarzeau, whats the command for lzma compression :| |
| 13:39.00 | tarzeau | bart416_: the package is lzma |
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| 13:39.11 | tralala | tarzeau: good to know. But in his case he wouldn't be able to decompress it once transferred. |
| 13:39.26 | bart416_ | lzma sucks in that case :| |
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| 13:40.25 | lou80 | Serajewwelks, how do i do it "mount -t proc /proc", "mount -t sys /sys" etc...? I'm scared :-( |
| 13:40.47 | tralala | bart416_: just transfer it the way it is. You'll lose more time and risk losing even more if you play with the compression. |
| 13:40.56 | lou80 | SerajewelKS |
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| 13:41.07 | SerajewelKS | lou80: sure |
| 13:41.14 | tarzeau | tralala: why can't he decompress it? |
| 13:41.15 | lou80 | thanks |
| 13:41.20 | wdamn | Hi, anyone knows a tool to test the speed of my internet connection? |
| 13:41.36 | SlayerXP | wdamn: wget |
| 13:41.42 | SerajewelKS | lou80: for /dev do: mount --bind /dev /the/chroot/dev |
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| 13:41.46 | tralala | tarzeau: because he has an ancient mandrake install without network support on the target machine |
| 13:42.08 | tarzeau | tralala: well he could also get the lzma sources and build that? |
| 13:42.24 | bart416_ | tarzeau, uhm with an ancient gcc |
| 13:42.25 | bart416_ | doubt it :| |
| 13:42.34 | tarzeau | bart416_: why? |
| 13:42.46 | bart416_ | tarzeau, ever heard the word outdated C library ? |
| 13:42.47 | tarzeau | bart416_: and what gcc do you call ancient? |
| 13:42.52 | tarzeau | bart416_: so what? |
| 13:42.54 | bart416_ | I don't even know the version |
| 13:42.57 | lou80 | thanks my "mount -t proc /proc" failed any ideas |
| 13:42.59 | tarzeau | bart416_: i've compiled stuff on gcc 2.6something |
| 13:43.00 | wdamn | SlayerXP: :) ok but smt with statistics? |
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| 13:43.11 | tralala | tarzeau: the whole game will likey lose than gain any time |
| 13:43.14 | bart416_ | tarzeau, this is a 1.x build if i'm not mistaken |
| 13:43.26 | SerajewelKS | lou80: failed how? |
| 13:43.49 | lou80 | sorry should i exit chroot before i mount proc? |
| 13:43.58 | tarzeau | bart416_: mandrake existed in 1992? |
| 13:44.04 | tarzeau | bart416_: i don't think so |
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| 13:44.05 | SerajewelKS | lou80: you shouldn't have to |
| 13:44.09 | bart416_ | tarzeau, doubt it |
| 13:44.14 | bart416_ | and its not mandrake :| |
| 13:44.15 | bart416_ | its slack |
| 13:44.16 | tarzeau | bart416_: so it must've been a 2.x version |
| 13:44.22 | tarzeau | bart416_: did slackware exist in 1992? |
| 13:44.24 | lou80 | it just printed out the format of the mount command |
| 13:44.24 | bart416_ | prolly early in that case |
| 13:44.25 | bart416_ | :| |
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| 13:44.35 | lou80 | and did nothing |
| 13:44.36 | bart416_ | I doubt its anywere near recent |
| 13:44.45 | bart416_ | its from 1999 or something like that |
| 13:44.46 | tarzeau | bart416_: that doesn't mean it can't build lzma |
| 13:44.51 | tarzeau | bart416_: that's not old! |
| 13:44.57 | tarzeau | bart416_: and by far not ancient |
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| 13:45.02 | bart416_ | tarzeau, and transfering the source code and the build tools would take ages |
| 13:45.18 | tarzeau | bart416_: i was just talking, not saying it would be faster |
| 13:45.20 | BarryAllen | hi all, anyone know what is the name ETCH package of mod_ldap of apache2 ? |
| 13:45.27 | tarzeau | you said it would not build |
| 13:45.30 | AndroidData | I'd like to make it so when I add a new user to my system, it automatically copies a pre-defined "settings" file to their directory, chowns it to root:root and chmods it to 600 (as this is for root to read/write, not users). Any means I can do this? Perhaps a shell script that executes directly after creation? |
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| 13:45.35 | tarzeau | certainly not because of gcc or the c library of 1999 |
| 13:45.39 | lou80 | which filesystem type is proc? |
| 13:45.44 | tarzeau | lou80: proc |
| 13:45.55 | lou80 | :-) so i repeat it |
| 13:46.03 | bart416_ | tarzeau, i'm not even sure if it has a reasonable c library |
| 13:46.15 | tarzeau | bart416_: what's reasonable? |
| 13:46.25 | SerajewelKS | lou80: can we get like ... an error message or something? |
| 13:46.25 | bart416_ | uhm, basic headers |
| 13:46.37 | tarzeau | bart416_: why should it not? |
| 13:46.42 | tarzeau | bart416_: my openstep of 1994 has them |
| 13:46.43 | tralala | bart416_, tarzeau: boys, why don't you focus on the real-word discussion? |
| 13:46.44 | lou80 | "mount -t proc proc /proc" worked nicely |
| 13:46.58 | lou80 | just didn't look right to e |
| 13:47.03 | bart416_ | cause gcc + c library doesn't fit on one floppy last time i checked |
| 13:47.06 | bart416_ | but this thing did :| |
| 13:47.06 | tarzeau | tralala: nothing wrong about talking about history, is it? |
| 13:47.31 | tarzeau | bart416_: of course i assume every usable system has some form of c compiler and what's needed for it (c library, headers) |
| 13:47.41 | AndroidData | I'd like to make it so when I add a new user to my system, it automatically copies a pre-defined "settings" file to their directory, chowns it to root:root and chmods it to 600 (as this is for root to read/write, not users). Any means I can do this? Perhaps a shell script that executes directly after creation?? |
| 13:47.47 | tralala | tarzeau: sure not, when you do it for a purpose |
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| 13:48.11 | tarzeau | tralala: weren't we talking general purpose machines? |
| 13:48.24 | tarzeau | tralala: i strongly believe every workstation must have them |
| 13:48.39 | tralala | tarzeau: eh?! |
| 13:48.40 | tarzeau | tralala: independent of if the main user needs/uses it or not |
| 13:48.53 | tarzeau | bart416_: those are not usable systems |
| 13:49.03 | bart416_ | well, vista will have the .NET compiler :| |
| 13:49.04 | bart416_ | lol |
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| 13:49.20 | tarzeau | we weren't talking about popular systems |
| 13:49.28 | SerajewelKS | bart416_: .NET compiler? |
| 13:49.33 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: please! |
| 13:49.44 | SerajewelKS | =/ |
| 13:50.08 | bart416_ | yeas SerajewelKS :| |
| 13:50.12 | bart416_ | .NET framework actually has one |
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| 13:50.44 | tralala | tarzeau: I was certainly talking of a very particular problem and it happens to be very unrelated to compiler's history |
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| 13:51.03 | tralala | or to compression tools capabilities |
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| 13:51.31 | bart416_ | there used to be a SF project that made a tool that compressed stuff to any size you wanted :| |
| 13:51.34 | lou80 | SerajewelKS thanks mate got apt-get working in chroot |
| 13:51.36 | bart416_ | problem was recovering it |
| 13:51.39 | bart416_ | can't remember the name |
| 13:51.42 | SerajewelKS | lou80: np |
| 13:51.53 | tralala | bart416_: are you transfering the kernel between the lines of the .NET discussion? |
| 13:51.59 | bart416_ | yeah |
| 13:52.25 | benjamindees2 | is there a known problem with Logitech mice and the 2.4.27 kernel in Sarge? |
| 13:52.35 | Tangotango | Thanks tralala, I installed the sshd from sarge, did dist-upgrade and it went perfectly :) |
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| 13:52.55 | tralala | bart416_: and how far are you 'till now? |
| 13:53.01 | bart416_ | part1 |
| 13:53.06 | bart416_ | had a messed up floppy |
| 13:53.08 | bart416_ | :| |
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| 13:54.00 | tralala | bart416_: if you continue with this speed you would be much better off going to the town and buying these data cables, you know... |
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| 13:54.40 | bart416_ | XD |
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| 13:55.14 | tralala | bart416_: there is another wonderful invention these days - usb cases for laptop hdds |
| 13:55.49 | bart416_ | Yeah |
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| 13:56.05 | tralala | this + a debootstrap install will get your laptop set up in (almost) no time |
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| 13:56.49 | Morydd | my laptop hates me. |
| 13:57.01 | bart416_ | Morydd, my pcmcia network card hates me |
| 13:57.27 | tralala | Morydd: smash the bitch with a hammer! |
| 13:57.27 | yassine | Morydd, bart416_ get your selfe a DELL :) |
| 13:57.29 | Morydd | That I got working. It's the x server that's giving me greif right now. |
| 13:57.36 | Morydd | yassine: it is a dell |
| 13:57.48 | yassine | lol aint exploded yet ? |
| 13:57.56 | Morydd | It's a circa 1998 dell. |
| 13:58.00 | bart416_ | yassine, no thanks i'd rather go to a weapon shop and buy a grenade :| |
| 13:58.18 | bart416_ | or a toaster |
| 13:58.23 | bart416_ | i could atleast install netbsd on that |
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| 13:58.34 | yassine | :) on a toster ? |
| 13:58.38 | bart416_ | yeah :| |
| 13:58.43 | yassine | s/toster/toaster |
| 13:58.59 | Varis | "Circa" 1998? lol |
| 13:59.02 | MarGarina | Any idea why my /dev/null keeps chmodding itself to 0600? |
| 13:59.40 | Morydd | I can't get the mouse (touchpad) working and it seems to only want to do 600x800 (and not full screen at that) |
| 14:00.03 | bart416_ | yassine, http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/33247865/in/set-738459/ |
| 14:00.14 | Varis | I tried to install Debian yesterday. I had the ISO in the drive. Base install went well. Then got to the package install. I chose the Desktop standard install, and unfortunately packages were broken, and it didn't work. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 14:00.39 | bart416_ | Varis, do a base (server) install |
| 14:00.42 | bart416_ | get network configured |
| 14:00.53 | bart416_ | and use apt-get to install a window manager & x |
| 14:01.01 | tralala | Varis: you can't be talking about sarge... |
| 14:01.02 | yassine | bart416_, holy shit that guy must have time :) |
| 14:01.08 | Varis | I'm talking about sarge :P. |
| 14:01.11 | yassine | but respect |
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| 14:01.26 | Varis | I used jigdo. Maybe that was the source of the problem. |
| 14:02.00 | bart416_ | yassine, But yeah imagine the whole new asspect, starting a hosting company in your kitchen on your toaster |
| 14:02.00 | bart416_ | :P |
| 14:02.13 | yassine | lool |
| 14:02.15 | tralala | Varis: jigdo will complain if there is a chance for a problem with the .iso image |
| 14:02.21 | Varis | Network was autoconfigured. Only thing was, I was lagging bad yesterday. XD |
| 14:02.29 | benjamindees2 | sketchy cdrom drive? |
| 14:02.44 | bart416_ | Varis, is the install bootable ? |
| 14:02.45 | Varis | Come to think of it, I did get a bunch of hdc resets. |
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| 14:03.07 | benjamindees2 | try a different kernel |
| 14:03.20 | kmaraas | I'm having problems doing a svn checkout of iso-codes |
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| 14:03.29 | kmaraas | anyone know why the server would reply like this: |
| 14:03.32 | Varis | How do I use a different kernel? |
| 14:03.34 | kmaraas | svn checkout svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-isocodes/trunk/iso-codes iso-codes |
| 14:03.34 | kmaraas | svn: Connection closed unexpectedly |
| 14:03.35 | tralala | Varis: this could be driver related. Maybe you haven't installed the correct ide controler driver and your dma is disabled |
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| 14:04.07 | benjamindees | Varis, there's an option when booting the installer |
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| 14:04.31 | Varis | Okie... |
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| 14:05.45 | bart416_ | tralala, if he has a bootable system he shoud be capable of replacing the kernel (& drivers) |
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| 14:06.53 | Varis | Also, might I mention that when I got the broken package error, the terminal flashed up and said something about "officeorg-bin." What's with that? |
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| 14:07.22 | Varis | It flashed so fast that's all I could see, haha. |
| 14:08.02 | benjamindees | openoffice.org probably |
| 14:08.47 | Varis | Could it be that that package is broken and prevented the install, for some strange reason? |
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| 14:10.00 | Eulex | Varis, very well. 'broken' can mean a lot, though. for example: you chose a bad repo? the files were corrupted when downloading? you happen to have some flakey hardware? |
| 14:10.21 | ootput | ah, bashburn isn't in sid |
| 14:10.28 | ootput | svn-pull it is |
| 14:10.31 | aarkerio | Hi! I want install Debian in a system with USB wireless card, the debian installer cd doesn't recognize |
| 14:10.31 | ootput | err, sarge |
| 14:10.38 | Varis | lol |
| 14:10.51 | aarkerio | so somebody knows a livecd with USB wireless support? |
| 14:10.59 | AndroidData | I'd like to make it so when I add a new user to my system, it automatically copies a pre-defined "settings" file to their directory, chowns it to root:root and chmods it to 600 (as this is for root to read/write, not users). Any means I can do this? Perhaps a shell script that executes directly after creation?? |
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| 14:11.57 | Eulex | aarkerio, sarge does support wireless cards on usb. however, it doesn't support newer |
| 14:12.05 | benjamindees | AndroidData, there's a template somewhere filled with files that are copied to new users home directories |
| 14:12.09 | Eulex | *chipsets* that might be in that wireless usb card |
| 14:12.15 | Varis | So... What does everyone in consensus say that I should try? |
| 14:12.39 | Eulex | Varis, without saying exactly what error you got... sorry, we cannot help you. |
| 14:12.40 | lou80 | anyone one know a script or binary which will create a kernel config file for me based on hardware detection, kind of like genkernel in gentoo?? |
| 14:12.57 | Varis | lol |
| 14:12.58 | benjamindees | Varis, there's no consensus; just do what I said... |
| 14:12.58 | aarkerio | Eulex, in fact I know my USB device works fine with ndiswrapper |
| 14:13.32 | aarkerio | but Knoppix 5.0 don't run in Pavilion w5320 system |
| 14:13.50 | Eulex | aarkerio, ok. then install debian, and after that get ndiswrapper and the winblows driver and get networking running. |
| 14:14.13 | AndroidData | benjamindees: I know of /etc/skel. But I want a file in /etc/skel to be copied to the home directory to then be chowned to root:root and chmodded to 600. :\ |
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| 14:14.52 | Eulex | Varis, I'd advice you to just try again, then if/when something goes wrong; come here and ask. |
| 14:15.03 | neenaoffline | How do I start Xfree86 and wm2 automatically on debian etch ? |
| 14:15.14 | aarkerio | Eulex, ok, I will try, thanks |
| 14:15.15 | Varis | Okay. |
| 14:15.19 | Varis | Sounds good. |
| 14:15.35 | Varis | I should be able to log into irssi from another terminal :). |
| 14:15.38 | Varis | lol |
| 14:15.46 | Eulex | neenaoffline, use something like gdm or xdm |
| 14:15.58 | Eulex | Varis, right, you should, if you've got networking working. |
| 14:16.07 | neenaoffline | Eulex, I don't have them |
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| 14:16.14 | Varis | =) |
| 14:16.16 | Eulex | !installit |
| 14:16.17 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 14:16.25 | neenaoffline | and wdm and xdm's packages are broken |
| 14:16.42 | Eulex | neenaoffline, ok, care to pastebin the actual error you get when installing them? |
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| 14:17.41 | neenaoffline | Eulex can you SSH into my sys instead ? |
| 14:18.17 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: don't offer that |
| 14:18.17 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS, why? |
| 14:18.21 | SerajewelKS | neenaoffline: someone might take advantage of you |
| 14:18.38 | neenaoffline | SerajewelKS, ah |
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| 14:19.12 | neenaoffline | How do I copy from nano and paste in w3m ?? |
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| 14:19.28 | Eulex | neenaoffline, get gpm. |
| 14:19.31 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
| 14:19.34 | neenaoffline | gpm ?? |
| 14:19.38 | Eulex | !gpm |
| 14:19.38 | dpkg | from memory, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 14:19.50 | Eulex | hmm |
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| 14:20.00 | Eulex | anyway, gpm is a mouse driver for the console. |
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| 14:20.10 | neenaoffline | Eulex, ah |
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| 14:20.49 | Eulex | neenaoffline, so you can copy text by selecting it and paste text by pressing the middle button |
| 14:21.15 | neenaoffline | Eulex, yeah got it , I'm not *so* stupid :) |
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| 14:22.17 | Eulex | neenaoffline, well, it's very hard to know how much people know about linux nowadays. quite a lot of the desktop users do actually not know of that way of copying and pasting. |
| 14:22.35 | neenaoffline | Eulex, heh |
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| 14:24.07 | yang | Is mp3 radio streaming 128 kbit/s or kbyte/s ? |
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| 14:26.47 | Eulex | yang, kbit. |
| 14:27.23 | yang | Eulex: If i did the right math, then its 800 listeners on a 100mbit server maximum? |
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| 14:29.52 | neenaoffline | How do I find the current address of the current page in w3m ? |
| 14:30.21 | neenaoffline | OT ^ ? |
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| 14:31.36 | neenaoffline | How do I start Xfree86 and wm2 manually on debian etch ? |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | etch doesn't have xfree86 |
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| 14:31.57 | neenaoffline | abrotman, I apt-getted it |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | !info xserver-xfree86 etch |
| 14:32.15 | admin__ | what is testing, sid or etch or ?? |
| 14:32.18 | abrotman | !+info xserver-xfree86 etch |
| 14:32.20 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (transitional package for moving from XFree86 to X.Org), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 14:32.25 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (transitional package for moving from XFree86 to X.Org), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | admin__: etch is .. sid is always unstable |
| 14:32.36 | abrotman | neenaoffline: it's a transitional package .. xfree isn't in etch |
| 14:32.49 | azeem | and tonight, sid will be even more unstable |
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| 14:33.06 | abrotman | azeem: what are you breaking?! |
| 14:33.15 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | Do not upgrade the X server in unstable | Visit the Debian Booth at LWCE SF | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 14:33.16 | admin__ | abrotman: so there is no "testing" anymore ? .. I don't understand, packages.debian.org list testing |
| 14:33.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:33.28 | abrotman | azeem: do you make that Do NOT NOT NOT ? |
| 14:33.35 | abrotman | admin__: read what i said |
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| 14:33.40 | dmsantam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.45 | dmsantam | im using gnome |
| 14:33.46 | azeem | abrotman: well, it doesn't break more than X |
| 14:33.49 | neenaoffline | abrotman, I have /etc/init.d/xfree86-common ! |
| 14:33.52 | azeem | AFAICT |
| 14:33.53 | abrotman | so what! |
| 14:34.23 | abrotman | azeem: same issue that affected ubuntu? (someone showed me the ubuntu forum posting) |
| 14:34.37 | azeem | abrotman: no, I guess not |
| 14:34.38 | admin__ | abrotman: I'm still confused.. but I guess if I want to install and use testing then I just go ahead and install either sid or etch and it's the same thing... <shrug> |
| 14:34.52 | azeem | the 7.1 server got uploaded to unstable by accident |
| 14:34.59 | neenaoffline | abrotman, doesn't that mean I have xfree86 ? |
| 14:36.43 | Morydd | I have a dell inspiron 3800 with a touchpad, I cannot seem to get xorg to recognize it. Any suggestions? |
| 14:37.03 | neenaoffline | What is the X server packaage for etch then , any local X server ? !?! |
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| 14:38.10 | admin__ | how come packages.debian.org lists xserver-xorg as v 7.022 in testing and v7.0.23 in unstable if testing and unstable are the same ??? |
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| 14:39.39 | chron | how do you prevent X from starting up? |
| 14:39.41 | azeem | admin__: they are not |
| 14:39.46 | azeem | !nodm |
| 14:39.46 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:39.48 | azeem | chron: ^^ |
| 14:39.57 | azeem | neenaoffline: then you might be running stable |
| 14:40.19 | bart416_ | tralala, i putted the file back to one with cat, i guess i better do an md5 checksum? |
| 14:40.25 | admin__ | azeem: <abrotman> admin__: etch is .. sid is always unstable |
| 14:40.26 | neenaoffline | azeem, I'm on etch unstable/testing :) |
| 14:40.55 | azeem | admin__: he said "Etch is testing, sid is always unstable" |
| 14:41.12 | cydork | neenaoffline, then check repositories.. |
| 14:41.19 | bart416_ | okay, checksum is k :| |
| 14:41.21 | neenaoffline | How do I start Xfree86 and wm2 manually on debian etch ???????????? |
| 14:41.41 | admin__ | azeem: oh, thanks for the translation.. whew, so it's etch I am after if I want to install testing... THANK YOU |
| 14:41.45 | azeem | neenaoffline: drop those additional questions marks, please |
| 14:41.54 | cydork | neenaoffline, there is no xfree86 in etch . |
| 14:41.59 | amphi | neenaoffline: do xinit and start your wm from the xterm generously provided ;) |
| 14:42.00 | neenaoffline | azeem, sorry ....... |
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| 14:42.37 | Eulex | yang, right |
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| 14:43.26 | neenaoffline | amphi, I cant get xbase-clients :( |
| 14:43.26 | benjamindees | echo "/usr/bin/wm2" >~/.xinitrc && startx |
| 14:43.35 | neenaoffline | package broken ........... |
| 14:43.50 | beered | Is tcpdump a package of it's own? I can't find it in repo's. |
| 14:43.52 | neenaoffline | ah |
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| 14:44.25 | beered | nevermind. spelling error. :) |
| 14:44.25 | maxy | beered: it is. |
| 14:44.34 | beered | maxy: I spelled it wrong. :) |
| 14:44.42 | beered | maxy: thanks for the quick reply though. :) |
| 14:44.46 | neenaoffline | I have no startx :( |
| 14:45.05 | neenaoffline | etch does not have any X server's workking for it ? |
| 14:45.15 | Ronin | neenaoffline: yes it does |
| 14:45.24 | cydork | neenaoffline, check your sources.list, and do apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 14:45.28 | neenaoffline | Ronin, which ? |
| 14:45.37 | Ronin | read what cydork said |
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| 14:46.19 | neenaoffline | cydork, can you pastebin your sources.list , I'm having trouble finding one on the net ... |
| 14:46.45 | beered | I'm trying to setup SMTP auth. For some reason mail server rejects login's. I can't see anything using tcpdump, or mail.err. Any ideas what log to check to see why SMTP auth is failing? |
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| 14:48.14 | cydork | !sources |
| 14:48.14 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
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| 14:48.36 | cydork | neenaoffline, replace woody with etch |
| 14:48.44 | cydork | !mirrors |
| 14:48.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 14:48.54 | beered | How do I view binary tcpdump capture files? |
| 14:49.14 | cydork | neenaoffline, and check the mirror list from about site for a mirror near you. |
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| 14:49.26 | stew | cydork: you can't skip releases |
| 14:49.41 | cydork | stew, huh? |
| 14:50.12 | cydork | stew, he has etch installed.. |
| 14:50.19 | stew | but woody in sources.list? |
| 14:50.33 | stew | oh i see |
| 14:50.46 | daxxar | If a process is marked as "D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)" in ps aux, does that mean there's NO way to kill it? |
| 14:50.48 | cydork | stew, sorry that was becoz that factoid contains woody. |
| 14:51.08 | ootput | is it possible to set the flac command line options for Bashburn? |
| 14:51.25 | cydork | beered, i guess you can do that with ethereal/ wireshark |
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| 14:52.01 | beered | cydork: I can't install that on my server. Isn't there a command line tool? |
| 14:53.23 | maxy | beered, why not copy the dump file to your desktop? |
| 14:54.14 | stew | !no sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 14:54.15 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 14:54.33 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:54.49 | cydork | beered, there are tcptrace and nstreams but check if that's what you are looking for.. |
| 14:55.23 | beered | cydork, maxy: thanks. |
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| 14:58.00 | infernix | is it ~/.xsession or ~/.Xsession? |
| 14:59.35 | neenaoffline | karma stew |
| 14:59.42 | neenaoffline | !karma stew |
| 14:59.42 | dpkg | stew has karma of 13 |
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| 15:00.04 | helo | is there some well-established project that is designed to help one stress test client/server setups of arbitrary configuration... perhaps record a communication between client and server, and replay one side's communication back at the server to replicate a previous session? |
| 15:00.21 | infernix | hm, its both apparently. but gdm doesn't seem to execute my .xsession file; is that correct? |
| 15:00.52 | aarkerio | Hi! need I the DRM, (direct rendering) module, if I already have the fglrx module for ATI cards? |
| 15:01.18 | bart416_ | !google |
| 15:01.18 | dpkg | google is probably a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
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| 15:01.35 | RichiH | !karma richih |
| 15:01.35 | dpkg | richih has karma of 4 |
| 15:01.44 | RichiH | argh! damn you stew! |
| 15:01.59 | infernix | aarkerio: DRI is achieved by using both the fglrx kernel module and a DRM module for your AGP port, which is a chipset feature |
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| 15:02.04 | stew | !RichiH++ |
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| 15:02.29 | neenaoffline | !stew++ |
| 15:02.39 | neenaoffline | !karma stew |
| 15:02.39 | pdani | hi |
| 15:02.39 | dpkg | stew has karma of 14 |
| 15:02.43 | neenaoffline | ah |
| 15:02.47 | infernix | aarkerio: depending on the kernel you use and the chipset in your mainboard it should be autoloaded |
| 15:02.49 | aarkerio | infernix, but if I install flgrx modconf can't insert DRM and viceversa |
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| 15:03.02 | cydork | !beer RichiH |
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| 15:03.11 | infernix | aarkerio: you might have the wrong fglrx settings. read the docs, and disable it's internal agpgart setting. |
| 15:03.24 | RichiH | cydork: thanks, but make that a schneider weisse |
| 15:03.38 | RichiH | and wtf is a quart? |
| 15:03.50 | RichiH | beer comes in half-litre and litre |
| 15:03.59 | aarkerio | infernix, internal agpgart setting means BIOS setting? |
| 15:04.08 | infernix | aarkerio: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:04.08 | cydork | !dict quart |
| 15:04.10 | dpkg | Dictionary 'quart' (2 of 8): 2. A vessel or measure containing a quart. ;; Note: In imperial measure, a quart is forty English fluid ounces; in wine measure, it is thirty-two American fluid ounces. The United States dry quart contains 67.20 cubic inches, the fluid quart 57.75. The English quart contains 69.32 cubic inches.. |
| 15:04.16 | aarkerio | ok, thanks |
| 15:04.17 | Flash_ | -!- Abbr. qt. or q. A unit of volume or capacity in the U.S. Customary System, used in liquid measure, equal to 1 / 4 gallon or 32 ounces (0.946 liter). |
| 15:04.39 | pdani | i upgraded my etch, and now the Xorg server doesn't work. it complains about libXfont.so.1: X: error while loading shared libraries: libXfont.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 15:05.44 | cydork | pdani, install libxfont1 |
| 15:06.19 | pdani | cydork: it is already installed |
| 15:06.23 | ootput | do any of you know of a commandline tool for playback of audio-cd's? |
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| 15:06.49 | Baltazar | what package/lib/plugin do i need to install in order to listen to shoutcast mp3 streams... (streamtuner with xmms)?? |
| 15:06.52 | pdani | cydork: btw, it is an 64bit system |
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| 15:07.37 | pdani | hm... file command says: /usr/lib/libXfont.so.1.4.1: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 15:07.47 | pdani | shouldn't it be 64bit? |
| 15:07.56 | Baltazar | output: tcd |
| 15:07.59 | beered | where is smtp error log file located? I got nothing in /var/mail.err and /var/auth.log |
| 15:08.16 | beered | I meant /var/log/* |
| 15:08.50 | Baltazar | ootput: tcd |
| 15:09.06 | cydork | pdani, i guess it should be. just try linking that as libXfont.so.1 |
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| 15:09.07 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 15:10.17 | pdani | cydork: it's linked. |
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| 15:11.40 | cydork | pdani, check bts if there is any bug regarding that.. |
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| 15:12.25 | pdani | i tried to start X with strace, it opens /usr/lib/libXfont.so.1 with success, reads some bytes from the beginning of it, closes it, and then it keeps searching it without success in the end |
| 15:12.31 | pdani | cydork: where? |
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| 15:13.32 | cydork | pdani, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 15:14.54 | Eulex | pdani, try: ldd /usr/lib/libXfont.so.1 and see if it mentions any of the dynamically linked libraries as missing |
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| 15:16.09 | ootput | Baltazar: is there a way to configure audioout? |
| 15:16.27 | ootput | Baltazar: ... while the seekbar moves, i'm not hearing a thing |
| 15:17.06 | wizzomafizzo | does anyone know when the nvidia drivers would be in testing again? or why they were taken out in the first place? |
| 15:17.49 | moyix|work | so... I'm in a real bad place. apt-get upgrade on unstable froze the machine while unpacking manpages-dev (all applications stopped responding, new processes couldn't start, etc.), and I had to do a hard reboot. now upon startup init dies because it can't load libselinux.so (invalid ELF header), and hence the kernel panics. starting with init=/bin/sh works minimally, but some pretty essential things (eg, ls) die with the same error |
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| 15:17.53 | cahoot | wizzomafizzo: might try here: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 15:17.54 | cydork | !etch sata |
| 15:17.54 | dpkg | If you have a SATA Atapi CD-ROM drive, you may run into some problems while installing Debian etch. Check for details http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
| 15:18.06 | moyix|work | is there any way to fix this, or is it salvage and reinstall time? |
| 15:18.10 | cydork | !etch nvidia |
| 15:18.11 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 15:18.34 | ootput | ah, mplayer can handle audio-cd |
| 15:18.53 | stew | wizzomafizzo: now that the xorg 7.1 transition is starting they aren't likely to make it back into etch for quite a while |
| 15:19.09 | wizzomafizzo | oh, it was taken out for 7.1? |
| 15:19.29 | stew | wizzomafizzo: no, it was probably taken out for 7.0 |
| 15:19.34 | cydork | wizzomafizzo, /msg dpkg why nvidia-graphics-drivers is not in testing |
| 15:19.57 | pdani | Eulex: hm. two files not found: libfontcache.so.0 and libfontenc.so.1. i didn't find libfontcache-related package with apt-cache or apt-file, and libfontenc1 package is installed, and there's a correct symbolic link to libfontenc.so.1.0.0 as libfontenc.so.1 in /usr/lib |
| 15:21.00 | wizzomafizzo | alright, thanks |
| 15:21.06 | Eulex | pdani, ok, ldd /usr/lib/libfontenc.so.1? |
| 15:21.38 | pdani | Eulex: no missing depend |
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| 15:22.04 | Eulex | pdani, hmm... |
| 15:22.29 | Eulex | pdani, this is sarge, btw? |
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| 15:23.16 | beered | How do I find out which smtp deamon I'm running? |
| 15:23.17 | pdani | Eulex: etch |
| 15:23.23 | Eulex | pdani, ok. |
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| 15:23.38 | Eulex | pdani, is it uptodate? |
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| 15:24.17 | ezu | where can I find the .config file for Debian's default kernel so I can modify it some? |
| 15:24.48 | pdani | Eulex: yes... i found the problem... i accidentally overwrited libfontenc... :) how can i re-install a package to overwrite the existing files of it |
| 15:24.52 | pdani | ? |
| 15:25.03 | pavlix | what is the preffered way to filter messages on a mail server? I need to distinguish it by mail headers and put into different (imap) folders |
| 15:25.11 | EEap | Hi, why when I run 'ntpdate -v -d 10.1.10.217' it says me that´s no server suitable for sync |
| 15:25.12 | Eulex | ezu, in the packages of the kernel images. |
| 15:25.20 | Eulex | pdani, apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
| 15:25.27 | ezu | eulex where does it place it? |
| 15:25.33 | Eulex | ezu, /boot/ |
| 15:25.33 | Ronin | EEap: tried differnt time servers? |
| 15:25.45 | pdani | thx very much :) |
| 15:25.46 | pdani | bye |
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| 15:26.04 | ezu | Eulex, ah is it the config- files in there? |
| 15:26.08 | Eulex | ezu, btw, I'd recommend using a .config from a kernel that is as close in version as the one you're compiling |
| 15:26.10 | Eulex | ezu, yep |
| 15:26.35 | ezu | Eulex, thanks. |
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| 15:27.39 | EEap | Ronin I tried 6 servers...and the same msg |
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| 15:29.19 | Eulex | ezu, yw :) |
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| 15:37.41 | odla | talkative group this morning |
| 15:38.06 | moyix|work | brevity is ... wit |
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| 15:38.41 | odla | :) |
| 15:39.01 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:39.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:39.18 | odla | aptitude moo |
| 15:39.56 | odla | abrotman: how's philly? |
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| 15:40.08 | abrotman | eh .. this is my first day back :) |
| 15:40.17 | odla | have you been in maine? |
| 15:40.22 | abrotman | no .. mass |
| 15:40.28 | odla | blah |
| 15:40.34 | abrotman | i was visiting my dad |
| 15:40.43 | odla | where in mass? |
| 15:41.02 | stew | abrotman: did you try to call us? |
| 15:41.30 | Ronin | odla: downgrading? how come? |
| 15:41.33 | odla | :) |
| 15:41.36 | stew | abrotman: we're in maine, decided last minute to go to maine on saturday and couldn't find your number |
| 15:41.51 | odla | stew: where in maine? |
| 15:42.01 | odla | Ronin: alberta sucks |
| 15:42.05 | odla | i like canada though |
| 15:42.12 | abrotman | stew: good thing i didn't try to meet you guys for lunch yesterday ... |
| 15:42.21 | Ronin | odla: well being a prarie boy id have to disagree but its certainly not for everyone |
| 15:42.22 | stew | odla: downeast. a few miles as the crow flies from boothbay harbor |
| 15:42.26 | abrotman | stew: no .. i didn't call .. i'm extremely sunburnt and just wanted to get home |
| 15:42.32 | odla | cool...i'm from maine |
| 15:42.38 | abrotman | stew: i can barely wear shoes |
| 15:42.43 | stew | abrotman: yikes |
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| 15:42.51 | abrotman | more like .. ouch :) |
| 15:43.00 | Ronin | abrotman: never heard of subblock? :) |
| 15:43.12 | abrotman | stew: though .. had i known .. you guys could have gone for a day sail with me and my dad |
| 15:43.15 | abrotman | Ronin: of what? |
| 15:43.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:43.20 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:43.43 | phatbyte | hi guys! i have a sata raid1 array now if i install debian etch it shows no array it shows scsi1 and scsi2 - is there something wrong? |
| 15:43.44 | stew | abrotman: our phone that had your number in it was laundered |
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| 15:43.54 | odla | Ronin: are you in alberta? |
| 15:44.14 | Ronin | odla: not currently, im on the other end of the country in n.b, above maine |
| 15:44.17 | abrotman | stew: now you have it! |
| 15:44.46 | abrotman | you launder your phone? |
| 15:45.00 | odla | Ronin: yeah i know where new brunswick is. i didn't think any left alberta cause of her sweet oil and booming economy |
| 15:45.07 | odla | s any/anyone |
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| 15:45.21 | Ronin | odla: thought id do it backwards as everyone was heading west |
| 15:45.37 | odla | Ronin: should have gone to newfoundland then :) |
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| 15:45.57 | Ronin | odla: thought about it but they gave me a full time govt job here, hard to pass that up |
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| 15:46.23 | abrotman | odla: what are you complaining about .. you're paid to behead otters all day |
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| 15:48.43 | anapivirtua | Hello World |
| 15:49.18 | RichiH | hello human |
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| 15:51.47 | BladeRunner05 | Hola, I'm using cups and don't find "enable" command to enable my printer, how can do that ? |
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| 15:53.17 | zck | hi |
| 15:53.36 | zck | how can I install a previous version of gcc? I have debian testing and I want gcc 4.0.3 |
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| 15:53.56 | infernix | phatbyte: your raid controller isnt a real hardware raid controller. |
| 15:54.01 | streuner_ | Blade Runner: /msg dpkg cups |
| 15:54.11 | cahoot | BladeRunner05: you mean you can't 'see' your printer in cups web interface? |
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| 15:54.22 | kroddn | does somebody know how to put an USB-Harddrive into sleep mode? |
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| 15:57.16 | BladeRunner05 | cahoot: I can't acces to web interface because I'm remote controlling it. after lpadmin I have to do accept printer and enable printer. the problem is "enable" is a bash built-in command and don't enable the printer |
| 15:57.26 | jelly | kroddn: eject /dev/sdb works for me. |
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| 15:58.28 | M0E-lnx | has anyone ever used knocker? |
| 16:00.18 | abrotman | just once .. she was a cute lass |
| 16:00.42 | M0E-lnx | I'm having trouble... |
| 16:00.58 | M0E-lnx | don't know if I'm using it right or not |
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| 16:03.52 | wsjunior | where do i set GdmXserverTimeout? |
| 16:04.03 | wsjunior | it would be at /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf |
| 16:04.09 | wsjunior | but that isnt such file on debian |
| 16:04.16 | wsjunior | even such dir |
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| 16:04.47 | azeem | wsjunior: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 16:06.19 | wsjunior | lets see |
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| 16:09.13 | cahoot | BladeRunner05: http://lists.debian.org/debian-curiosa/2004/01/msg00005.html? |
| 16:09.14 | wsjunior | debian seems to ignore the gdm.conf |
| 16:09.30 | azeem | wsjunior: did you restart gdm? |
| 16:09.39 | wsjunior | how do i set the GdmXserverTimeout=30 |
| 16:09.46 | wsjunior | azeem: yes i did |
| 16:09.56 | wsjunior | azeem: tried to restart X as well |
| 16:10.03 | wsjunior | it just wait 10 seconds |
| 16:10.07 | wsjunior | and dies |
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| 16:10.34 | azeem | wsjunior: and it worked before? |
| 16:10.52 | wsjunior | with debian no. |
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| 16:10.58 | chable | hi |
| 16:11.00 | wsjunior | worked with gentoo and ubuntu |
| 16:11.01 | cahoot | BladeRunner05: looks like lpadmin -p <printer> -E should do the 'enabling' |
| 16:11.08 | wsjunior | they have a file called custom.conf |
| 16:11.14 | odla | !ubuntu |
| 16:11.14 | wsjunior | i tried to create this file |
| 16:11.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 16:11.17 | wsjunior | didnt work |
| 16:11.31 | wsjunior | damn im using debian etch |
| 16:11.31 | chable | anyone knows how to make that ssh_host_keys , like i would not need user and password to ssh froma box to another ? |
| 16:11.32 | wsjunior | odla: |
| 16:11.51 | azeem | wsjunior: why do you want to add that option? |
| 16:12.00 | wsjunior | to make xgl work |
| 16:12.02 | odla | i know that you're using etch, but just cause it works on ubuntu doesn't mean it will on debian 'out of the box' |
| 16:12.10 | wsjunior | xgl requires more than 10 seconds |
| 16:12.22 | azeem | uhm, ok |
| 16:12.49 | wsjunior | odla: its not a distribution issue dude |
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| 16:13.00 | azeem | wsjunior: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:13.04 | azeem | eh, you said etch |
| 16:13.11 | wsjunior | ya |
| 16:13.15 | wsjunior | etch |
| 16:13.18 | azeem | wsjunior: so maybe that option is not available in etch's gdm, dunno |
| 16:13.24 | azeem | wsjunior: you could check the soure |
| 16:13.26 | azeem | source |
| 16:13.50 | wsjunior | Configuring gdm to wait longer for Xgl to start is only possible with gdm-2.14.1 and later |
| 16:14.21 | wsjunior | i have 2.14.5-1 |
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| 16:14.53 | kroddn | jelly: coool |
| 16:14.59 | azeem | wsjunior: maybe you added it to the wrong section of gdm.conf (in case that is important) |
| 16:15.52 | cydork | wsjuniour, you have to add it daemon section and try gdmsetup too |
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| 16:18.37 | wsjunior | azeem: i did |
| 16:18.39 | wsjunior | :( |
| 16:18.45 | wsjunior | its in the right section |
| 16:19.32 | jelly | kroddn: I didn't expect it to work, but kernel's usb messages show that a "START/STOP" command is sent and the audible click suggests the disk is parked after that. |
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| 16:19.50 | jelly | kroddn: so I guess that's it. |
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| 16:21.35 | qbit_wrk | what do you do when --reinstall won't fix a horked package? |
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| 16:25.19 | qbit_wrk | can't uninstall either |
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| 16:27.04 | saSunFlower | hey .. our certificate has expired on our debian postfix server. how can I create a new self-signed certificate and use it instead of the expired one? |
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| 16:30.11 | FarrisG | I'm looking for something like plotdrop to install on a sarge farm. Plotdrop isn't available in sarge, nor are several of its dependencies. I can't upgrade to etch on this particular set of machines. Any suggestions? Basically I need something with the functionality of gnuplot, with the ability to use a gui to save-as, etc. |
| 16:31.07 | roxy_ | As root can I log out a user ? |
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| 16:32.33 | roxy_ | I logged with kdm, but it is just hanging. So with Ctrl-Alt-Fx, I liked it to stop hanging, what can I do? |
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| 16:33.18 | streuner_ | roxy_: skill -c kdm, that would restart X |
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| 16:33.47 | roxy_ | streuner_: in any of the Ctrl-Alt-Fx ? |
| 16:33.56 | lord_ceiphas | sooo |
| 16:34.23 | lord_ceiphas | i made an dist-upgrade to unstable, now my x-server wont find my mouse |
| 16:34.43 | streuner_ | lord_ceiphas: 2.6.x kernel? |
| 16:35.05 | lord_ceiphas | yes |
| 16:35.08 | lord_ceiphas | 2.6.8 |
| 16:35.37 | streuner_ | what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 16:35.51 | lord_ceiphas | i have an intellimouse explorer 2.0 |
| 16:36.07 | streuner_ | Is mousedev loaded? |
| 16:36.15 | lord_ceiphas | dunno |
| 16:36.28 | streuner_ | lsmod | grep -i mousedev should tell you |
| 16:36.30 | lord_ceiphas | how do i check |
| 16:37.20 | lord_ceiphas | nothing |
| 16:37.21 | roxy_ | streuner_: Ctrl-Alt-F7 is not available anymore |
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| 16:39.11 | Cooner750 | Is there a Gzip module for PHP? |
| 16:39.22 | Cooner750 | that can be easily installed? |
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| 16:40.09 | lord_ceiphas | streuner_ so where do i get mousedev |
| 16:40.17 | streuner_ | !tell Cooner750 about search |
| 16:40.19 | kimo | Hi, I am migrating AD-Win2k3, to samba/ldap. What's the best way to migrate current user accounts from AD ? |
| 16:40.33 | streuner_ | lord_ceiphas: modprobe mousedev? |
| 16:41.49 | roxy_ | how can I change runlevel ? |
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| 16:42.44 | kroddn | roxy_: e.g. init 5 |
| 16:44.04 | qbit_wrk | haha |
| 16:44.25 | jsan | hi mi friends , would you know a package in linux where is possible mi users in the internet to save and change the files in my internal network ? |
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| 16:44.26 | qbit_wrk | wonder if that was intentional |
| 16:44.47 | kroddn | hm |
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| 16:45.04 | jsan | is neccessery to put user and password |
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| 16:45.10 | kroddn | what would hat happend if I suggestet typing /quit ? |
| 16:45.17 | jsan | do you know ?? |
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| 16:47.44 | kroddn | jsan: i would not do such a thing even if i could |
| 16:47.55 | lord_ceiphas | streuner_ worked fine |
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| 16:49.29 | jsan | ok |
| 16:49.43 | qbit_wrk | anyone an apt expert? |
| 16:50.09 | tsurk0 | hello everybody |
| 16:50.15 | cydork | qbit_wrk, everyone on this channel uses apt :) |
| 16:50.35 | qbit_wrk | k.. crap.. brb.. |
| 16:50.36 | tsurk0 | could you tell me which is the best place, in your oppinion, to load an iptables ruleset with iptables-restore? |
| 16:50.40 | qbit_wrk | cydork: i am gonna hold you to this :D |
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| 16:51.17 | sepski | tsurk0, read /usr/share/doc/iptables/readme* |
| 16:51.29 | tsurk0 | sepski, thank you |
| 16:51.37 | infernix | hm. it looks like tightvnc server doesn't support making an already running X server remotely accessible. instead, it seems it's only capable of starting a new X server, which is not what I need. does anyone have any other suggestions? |
| 16:51.57 | sepski | infernix, x11vnc supports that |
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| 16:52.15 | sepski | infernix, you can still use the tightvnc client |
| 16:52.44 | infernix | sepski: well afaik tightvnc is the better of current available protocols, so if I cant run its server that'd be a shame |
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| 16:53.10 | Cooner750 | I installed the libapache-mod-gzip package and restarted Apache2 and it still dosent show in the list of loaded modules |
| 16:53.16 | sepski | uses the same vnc lib afaik, and you can use the tigth encoding |
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| 16:53.40 | sepski | Cooner750, did you enable it with a2enmod ? |
| 16:53.45 | infernix | hmm. what about vnc4server? it seems that has an X11 extension |
| 16:53.48 | Cooner750 | How do I go about that? |
| 16:53.53 | Cooner750 | I have SSH access to my server |
| 16:54.00 | sepski | opps you installed a module for aoache (1) and restarted apache2 ? :) |
| 16:54.15 | sepski | Cooner750, you type a2enmod [module] |
| 16:54.22 | sepski | if you omit module you get a list to choose from |
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| 16:54.50 | sepski | infernix, afaik only x11vnc allow the --display 0 arg you need to tie to the running X |
| 16:54.55 | BladeRunner05 | cahoot: I can't acces to web interface because I'm remote controlling it. after lpadmin I have to do accept printer and enable printer. the problem is "enable" is a bash built-in command and don't enable the printer |
| 16:55.00 | BladeRunner05 | Hola, I'm using cups and don't find "enable" command to enable my printer, how can do that ? |
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| 16:55.12 | BladeRunner05 | and I can't use web interface for do that |
| 16:55.17 | infernix | sepski: well x11vnc seems good, but vnc4server having an X server extension makes me wonder:) |
| 16:55.21 | cahoot | BladeRunner05: looks like lpadmin -p <printer> -E should do the 'enabling' |
| 16:55.25 | sepski | BladeRunner05, cups ? you can easily make a ssh tunnel |
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| 16:55.50 | Cooner750 | I dont see gzip in the list |
| 16:56.11 | BladeRunner05 | sepski: how ? |
| 16:56.16 | BladeRunner05 | cahoot: tnx I try |
| 16:56.26 | sepski | Cooner750, well did you install libapache-mod-gzip or libapache2-mod-gzip ? since you said apache, but restared apache2 |
| 16:56.47 | Storkme | is there any way to kill all processes with 'java' in them? |
| 16:57.00 | sepski | BladeRunner05, something like ssh -L 631:127.0.0.1:631 user@ip.of.server then you can use http://127.0.0.1:631 in a browser |
| 16:57.02 | cahoot | Storkme: pkill ? |
| 16:57.17 | msn | Storkme: killall |
| 16:57.50 | Storkme | oh, killall works |
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| 16:58.00 | Storkme | hmm |
| 16:58.05 | Storkme | how can i flush my DNS cache? |
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| 16:58.15 | Cooner750 | I installed libapache-mod-gzip and then realized I have apache2 so I removed libapache-mod-gzip and went to install libapache2-mod-gzip and I get: E: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-gzip |
| 16:58.18 | BladeRunner05 | cahoot: if I do lpadmin -p printer -E it remain in standby |
| 16:59.29 | BladeRunner05 | sepski: user@ip.of.server ip of my machine ? |
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| 17:00.17 | Storkme | alex@debsrv:~/java/BlueGuard$ uptime |
| 17:00.17 | Storkme | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.23 | Storkme | debian is stable :D |
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| 17:00.58 | harleyg | hey :) |
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| 17:01.18 | sepski | BladeRunner05, cups server that you coudnt reach by normal web |
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| 17:02.00 | Cooner750 | where can I find the libapache2-mod-gzip package? |
| 17:02.04 | harleyg | right, i upgraded + dist-upgraded and not apt-get is broken due to xfree86-common and x11-common.. but it fails ... "error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.0.23_i386.deb" |
| 17:02.15 | harleyg | thats with apt-get install -f |
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| 17:03.39 | tsurk0 | sepski, i've found exactly what i was looking for - thank you a lot |
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| 17:05.34 | harleyg | no one.. again/ |
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| 17:05.48 | jnguy[w] | harleyg: Do an apt-get update? |
| 17:05.55 | harleyg | tried.. |
| 17:06.01 | jnguy[w] | what does it say? |
| 17:06.08 | harleyg | if just updated, nothing |
| 17:06.11 | jnguy[w] | And, what exactly are you trying to do again? |
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| 17:06.23 | harleyg | read my 1st message |
| 17:06.28 | jnguy[w] | yeah |
| 17:06.34 | jnguy[w] | I still don't know what you're trying to do. |
| 17:06.34 | harleyg | im trying to fix apt-get.. |
| 17:06.45 | jnguy[w] | apt-get remove xfree86-common x11-common |
| 17:06.48 | harleyg | i dont want X, but its being upgraded and it fails |
| 17:06.49 | harleyg | i cant.. |
| 17:06.54 | jnguy[w] | ? |
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| 17:07.01 | harleyg | it gives me all those errors and says apt-get install -f |
| 17:07.11 | harleyg | like foo relise on xfree86-common |
| 17:07.12 | jnguy[w] | when you did an apt-get remove? |
| 17:07.16 | harleyg | yes |
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| 17:07.26 | qbit_wrk | harleyg: try apt-get install --reinstall xfree86-common x11-common |
| 17:07.29 | qbit_wrk | and then remove them |
| 17:07.32 | harleyg | thanks |
| 17:08.07 | qbit_wrk | harleyg, if that doesn't work.. you will be in the same exact boat as i.. except i am trying it with ntpdate :P |
| 17:08.19 | harleyg | cant, gives unmet dependencie errors |
| 17:08.36 | qbit_wrk | whoa |
| 17:08.39 | harleyg | says i should do apt-get -f install.. :( |
| 17:08.41 | jbholman | i'm using etch 2.6.16-2-686, and trying to setup a hard drive in a seagate usb2.0 external enclosure, and when i plug the usb cord from the enclosure into my box, i get funny dmesg output. it is only 6 or so lines. can i paste here? |
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| 17:08.52 | jnguy[w] | apt-get clean |
| 17:09.06 | qbit_wrk | harleyg, try to take anything that isn't official ( ie from debian its self ) out of your sources.list |
| 17:09.20 | qbit_wrk | then do the apt-get update stuff |
| 17:09.25 | qbit_wrk | again |
| 17:09.26 | qbit_wrk | :P |
| 17:09.33 | harleyg | i only have mirror.switch.ch unstable, testing and stable:) |
| 17:09.52 | qbit_wrk | whoa.. |
| 17:10.01 | qbit_wrk | pick on |
| 17:10.02 | harleyg | it gives an error on /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 17:10.03 | qbit_wrk | er |
| 17:10.03 | qbit_wrk | one |
| 17:10.08 | harleyg | nah, i like all |
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| 17:10.10 | qbit_wrk | stable, testing or unstable .. |
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| 17:10.20 | qbit_wrk | you can't do all .. that will break everything! |
| 17:10.26 | harleyg | hmm after apt-get clean it seems to get further |
| 17:10.40 | harleyg | qbit_wrk, not really, ive always done em :P |
| 17:10.40 | qbit_wrk | only because it has to download everything again |
| 17:10.48 | qbit_wrk | have you always had issues like this? |
| 17:11.03 | jnguy[w] | hm. |
| 17:11.06 | harleyg | not always |
| 17:11.07 | harleyg | eevery now and then, yeah |
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| 17:11.37 | qbit_wrk | anyone else run stable, testing, and unstable at the same time...? |
| 17:11.43 | qbit_wrk | i don't even think that would work.... |
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| 17:11.49 | qbit_wrk | would it just download everything from testing? |
| 17:11.50 | harleyg | lol :) |
| 17:12.00 | qbit_wrk | skip everything else? |
| 17:12.03 | jnguy[w] | I agree with qbit_wrk |
| 17:12.10 | harleyg | ill remove stable and testing.. |
| 17:12.17 | jnguy[w] | The dependencies across multiple distribs will kill your tree. |
| 17:13.17 | thingfish | it is not a good idea to have testing or unstable in your sources.list, it is not a good idea to use either testing or unstable without knowing what you're doing. |
| 17:13.27 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 17:13.33 | qbit_wrk | let alone all 3 |
| 17:13.36 | jnguy[w] | thingfish: Stable is too slow. |
| 17:13.42 | harleyg | nope, unstable fails |
| 17:14.05 | Ryushin | I'm trying to figure out the best way to transcode HD. Is RT/JPEG or MPEG4 the best transcoder to use? |
| 17:14.37 | jbholman | anyone interested in looking at my dmesg output for my external harddrive problem? let me know, and i'll paste into #flood once you join the room |
| 17:14.45 | qbit_wrk | Ryushin, i would use mpeg4 |
| 17:14.53 | qbit_wrk | or h264 if you have time :P |
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| 17:15.34 | jnguy[w] | jbholman: Go for it. |
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| 17:15.45 | jbholman | k doing it now |
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| 17:17.15 | jnguy[w] | hm |
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| 17:17.37 | jnguy[w] | What does your proc/bus/usb/devices look like? |
| 17:17.41 | uwe | hello, im trying to compile some modules for the kernel (zaptel) and im using debian em64, the make insists on using gcc-4.0, which i dont have installed, i have gcc-4.1, so im trying to figure out why, does anyone know how i can figure out with which compiler my kernel was compiled? and does anyone have another explenation for this behaviour?! |
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| 17:17.52 | jbholman | jnguy: will past in flood |
| 17:18.06 | uwe | of course running debian etch em64 |
| 17:18.08 | m0dY | how in life could i ever creat a unix.socket file in debian !? |
| 17:18.34 | azeem | m0dY: how would you create it on other distributions? |
| 17:18.48 | m0dY | mksock |
| 17:19.33 | m0dY | it's supposed to be in the coreutils pkg although it's missing in all debian releases |
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| 17:20.08 | m0dY | no idea ?! |
| 17:20.12 | Verdin | Good news is that I have a successful Debian install with GUI :D. |
| 17:20.24 | Verdin | Bad news is that it doesn't have the option for me to switch to 1024 x 768. |
| 17:20.52 | abrotman | need a bit more info .. like which video driver |
| 17:20.55 | m0dY | azeem: any idea ? |
| 17:21.02 | jnguy[w] | jbholman: I want you to do a cat /proc/bus/usb/devices >> /tmp/before |
| 17:21.02 | Verdin | NVidia FX 5200, using driver nv |
| 17:21.05 | Ryushin | qbit_wrk: Is h264 an option in myth? |
| 17:21.09 | jnguy[w] | jbholman: Then plug it in |
| 17:21.14 | Verdin | GNOME, of course ;D |
| 17:21.15 | jnguy[w] | and do it again, except direct it into after. |
| 17:21.21 | harleyg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.23 | harleyg | none work. |
| 17:21.30 | jbholman | jnguy: will do and will let you know when complete |
| 17:21.34 | qbit_wrk | Ryushin: oh.. i believe you can tell it to use it .. but i don't know what the options you need to give transcode are |
| 17:21.47 | jnguy[w] | jbholman: Then do a diff on them. |
| 17:21.52 | qbit_wrk | Ryushin, never made myth do it that way.. i always do mpeg4 |
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| 17:22.06 | m0dY | on reasonable answer for my question so far ? |
| 17:22.08 | Ryushin | I have the horsepower now since Friday, a dual core Athlon 64 X2 2.2 Ghz. |
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| 17:22.16 | Ryushin | Do you transcode HD? |
| 17:22.19 | qbit_wrk | nice :P |
| 17:22.27 | Verdin | So... how do I fix my little problem? Reconfiguring X? Nvidia proprietary driver? |
| 17:22.41 | qbit_wrk | Ryushin, as in with a hd tuner ? |
| 17:22.51 | azeem | m0dY: there's no mksock in coreutils |
| 17:23.13 | m0dY | azeem: then why is it there in all redhat like distros. |
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| 17:23.35 | m0dY | also how could i get it for debian although it's not showing in apt-cache! |
| 17:23.56 | diepes | m0dY: a socket or a fifo ? |
| 17:23.58 | m0dY | an equation im trying to find a solve for from a while |
| 17:24.17 | Ryushin | Yea. 1280x720p and 1920x1080i. I have enough horsepower to play mpeg4 in those, but I must have my settings wrong, because the transocded file looks awful. |
| 17:24.17 | m0dY | socket |
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| 17:25.10 | qbit_wrk | Ryushin, hrm.. have you checked transcodes site? maybe they have recommended usages |
| 17:25.41 | Ryushin | Does myth use the transcodes program? I thought that it uses it's own transcoder. |
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| 17:26.21 | azeem | m0dY: use http://fresh.t-systems-sfr.com/cgi-bin/warex?unix/src/misc/mirrordir-0.10.49.tar.gz:a/mirrordir-0.10.49/src/mksock.c if you really need it |
| 17:26.22 | rhsanborn | Afternoon gents |
| 17:26.40 | jbholman | jnguy[w]: 'diff /tmp/before /tmp/after' produces not stdout, so i'm guessing it means the files are the same |
| 17:26.48 | rhsanborn | I washoping someone might be able to help me with a default install of Debian Sarge using the net install disc |
| 17:26.55 | azeem | m0dY: ah, no |
| 17:27.05 | m0dY | is this the mksock source file ? |
| 17:27.09 | m0dY | oh |
| 17:27.10 | Ryushin | m0dY: Have you asked on the debian channel? apt-file search mksock doesn't reveal anything. |
| 17:27.19 | abrotman | rhsanborn: what are you having problems with? |
| 17:27.22 | azeem | Ryushin: this is the debian channel |
| 17:27.43 | Ryushin | azeem: I'm a moron. :) |
| 17:27.48 | rhsanborn | I installed it using the desktop default sys setup, and it looked like it at least installed KDE, but startx comes up with nothing, and it only gives me a CLI prompt |
| 17:27.57 | Ryushin | Too many tabs. |
| 17:27.58 | m0dY | apt-file search mksock |
| 17:28.01 | m0dY | gives nothing |
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| 17:28.14 | abrotman | rhsanborn: how did you install kde ? did you also install x-window-system-core or x-window-system ? |
| 17:28.35 | rhsanborn | abrotman default install, I have no idea, I'll try that |
| 17:28.45 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 17:28.45 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 17:28.57 | m0dY | !mksock |
| 17:28.59 | BladeRunner05 | I'm using cups and samba to print on a network printer but if I do lpstat -p printer it say Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 seconds... |
| 17:29.03 | m0dY | !sock |
| 17:29.10 | rhsanborn | abrotman Whats the key stroke that brings up a second console? Ctrl-F*? |
| 17:29.10 | m0dY | good botty :) |
| 17:29.17 | abrotman | rhsanborn: ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 17:29.22 | rhsanborn | abrotman thx |
| 17:29.25 | Eulex | m0dY, no such thing in debian. actually, never ever heard about it. |
| 17:29.34 | abrotman | !find mksock sarge |
| 17:29.39 | m0dY | Eulex: oh yeah :) |
| 17:29.49 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mksock' returned no results. |
| 17:30.05 | rhsanborn | abrotman that should do it, thanks man |
| 17:30.07 | m0dY | no results :/ |
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| 17:30.49 | abrotman | rhsanborn: is it installing more stuff? |
| 17:31.06 | rhsanborn | abrotman indeed it is, I grabbed the x-window-system package |
| 17:31.08 | rhsanborn | abrotman |
| 17:31.21 | jbholman | i'm going to reboot without the drive plugged in and do cat the devices file and then plug it in and cat it and do a diff |
| 17:31.26 | abrotman | rhsanborn: okeedokee |
| 17:31.28 | rhsanborn | abrotman I would have assumed that they would include x with a default install of a desktop |
| 17:31.38 | abrotman | rhsanborn: not so .. you can run X apps remotely |
| 17:31.52 | jade | im like a cooked goose when i realize i need to study the man page. |
| 17:31.52 | abrotman | jbholman: that's a lot of something to write if you didn't mean it :) |
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| 17:32.04 | abrotman | jade: all dark meat? |
| 17:32.11 | Verdin | It's amazing what you can do by yourself :P. |
| 17:32.14 | abrotman | or was that duck ... |
| 17:32.18 | jade | tastie meat, only the good stuff. |
| 17:32.23 | jbholman | abrotman: i guess i should have said "i didn't mean to write it _in this channel_" |
| 17:32.35 | jbholman | :-) |
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| 17:33.27 | Verdin | Could anyone help me understand why my computer, just set up with Debian, is using 90% of 256 MB of ram? O.o |
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| 17:33.35 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 17:33.36 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 17:34.17 | Eulex | or maybe he's running gnome |
| 17:34.51 | Verdin | memic: 256568 229448 27120 0 16332 144548 |
| 17:35.05 | memic | Verdin ? |
| 17:35.10 | Verdin | errr... |
| 17:35.16 | Verdin | I didn't mean to do whatever it did. |
| 17:35.20 | qbit_wrk | ha |
| 17:35.24 | Verdin | Blame BitchX. |
| 17:35.30 | memic | hrhr |
| 17:35.33 | abrotman | Eulex: doubtful :) |
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| 17:35.45 | Verdin | Anyway... how do I decrease mem usage? |
| 17:35.53 | Verdin | It doesn't make sense that Gnome is using so much memory. |
| 17:35.55 | abrotman | Verdin: what is using it all ? |
| 17:36.00 | abrotman | Verdin: are you running X ? |
| 17:36.17 | qbit_wrk | Verdin: type 'top' |
| 17:36.25 | qbit_wrk | once that loads .. hit M |
| 17:36.29 | qbit_wrk | make sure it's capitol |
| 17:36.35 | RichiH | Verdin: gnome is a ram hog |
| 17:36.38 | abrotman | and capital! |
| 17:36.40 | qbit_wrk | and it will sort apps based on memory usag |
| 17:36.43 | RichiH | Verdin: not much you can do about it |
| 17:36.43 | qbit_wrk | yeah |
| 17:36.46 | qbit_wrk | capital too |
| 17:36.53 | qbit_wrk | both are very important :P |
| 17:36.54 | Verdin | I've got 4 instances of nautilus open |
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| 17:37.04 | Verdin | XFree86 is open |
| 17:37.16 | abrotman | paste the contents of 'free' |
| 17:37.18 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:37.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 17:37.39 | azeem | m0dY: what do you need mksock for, anyway? |
| 17:37.40 | RichiH | qbit_wrk: you mean an ispell filter that parses evertything you type and asks for confirmation for each line? |
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| 17:37.55 | qbit_wrk | RichiH: sure.. if it works in irssi :D |
| 17:38.04 | RichiH | qbit_wrk: heh |
| 17:38.08 | RichiH | qbit_wrk: sick, you are |
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| 17:38.21 | Verdin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.25 | qbit_wrk | :P |
| 17:38.48 | Verdin | Would you like 'top' too? |
| 17:38.56 | abrotman | Verdin: you're fine .. you're not even in swap yet |
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| 17:39.02 | Verdin | Oh. |
| 17:39.15 | RichiH | 'not even'? |
| 17:39.21 | Verdin | When I had Ubuntu, it showed half my memory not being used. |
| 17:39.22 | abrotman | he's not even close |
| 17:39.23 | RichiH | a desktop should not reach swap, ever |
| 17:39.25 | RichiH | imho |
| 17:39.26 | Verdin | And then I install Debian.... |
| 17:39.50 | abrotman | Verdin: Mem: 256568 242688 13880 0 16708 145892 |
| 17:39.51 | simonrvn | hello people |
| 17:39.54 | Verdin | (I installed Debian because I wanted to try something new and interesting. It called to me from the darkness :P) |
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| 17:40.09 | Ronin | Verdin: called to you from teh light actually ;) |
| 17:40.10 | Verdin | So no worries? |
| 17:40.13 | Verdin | lol |
| 17:40.18 | Eulex | Verdin, that one shows that your computer is very healthy ram-wise. the applications themselves use only ~80mb ram. the rest is used for buffers and caches. which will be freed if need be. |
| 17:40.20 | abrotman | Verdin: from that .. you have 13880 + 16780 + 145892 MB free |
| 17:40.27 | abrotman | !13880 + 16780 + 145892 |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | 176552 |
| 17:40.33 | abrotman | feel better? |
| 17:40.36 | Verdin | Yes. |
| 17:40.37 | Verdin | Much. |
| 17:40.49 | Verdin | Now.... |
| 17:40.49 | abrotman | erm .. s/MB/KB/ :) |
| 17:41.08 | azeem | m0dY: anyway, http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/mksock.c and http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/sel.h (extracted from a FC source rpm) |
| 17:41.11 | azeem | m0dY: totally trivial |
| 17:41.12 | Verdin | I need to learn how to enable the debian repositories so I can download things like Gaim and Kildclient XD |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | so you ahve 176552KB free .. roughly 175MB |
| 17:41.15 | Verdin | and Firefox. |
| 17:41.15 | Eulex | Verdin, linux uses the rest of your memory that no apps use to increase speed. it caches files read from the hdd and such stuff. |
| 17:41.21 | abrotman | Verdin: are you on sarge? |
| 17:41.24 | azeem | (except for the SELinux stuff) |
| 17:41.26 | Verdin | Yep. |
| 17:41.29 | Verdin | I'm on sarge. |
| 17:41.30 | abrotman | Verdin: run apt-setup |
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| 17:41.36 | abrotman | pick a mirror near you |
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| 17:42.43 | rhsanborn | Anyone have a good link to a doc that describes X server setup? |
| 17:42.55 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:42.56 | Verdin | Thanks abrotman :D. |
| 17:43.28 | qbit_wrk | or X --configure |
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| 17:43.33 | qbit_wrk | er |
| 17:43.34 | qbit_wrk | -configure |
| 17:43.52 | abrotman | you should really use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:43.56 | abrotman | especially for xfree86 |
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| 17:46.01 | Verdin | Yay :D |
| 17:46.04 | Verdin | I have Xchat now. |
| 17:46.12 | abrotman | life has its bonuses |
| 17:46.38 | Verdin | Now if only my DSL wasn't lagging. |
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| 17:47.18 | Muisje | How can i find out my server specifications? I forgot what i currently have in my system as proc/network card/video card |
| 17:47.25 | abrotman | !mtu |
| 17:47.25 | dpkg | somebody said mtu was Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces> |
| 17:47.26 | Muisje | Debian 3.1 sarge |
| 17:47.37 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 17:47.37 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 17:47.45 | Muisje | Thanks abrotman |
| 17:47.46 | phiPPs | Is there a simple wa |
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| 17:48.59 | Verdin | #1 Reason I Like Debian: Variety of Packages. |
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| 17:49.25 | infernix | x11vnc smells. its not stable. |
| 17:49.49 | phiPPs | is therer a simple way to rejig wpasupplicant to pick up the various WPA/WEP networks I use given the removal of wpa-action scripts in unstable |
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| 18:01.51 | shuveb|home | when i insert the cloop.lo module into the Etch kernel, i get an "Invalid argument" error.... has anyone tried cloop before on etch? |
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| 18:04.10 | abrotman | *chirp chirp* |
| 18:04.44 | abrotman | i was a cricket! |
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| 18:05.41 | sussudio | %fist jharrisonwk |
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| 18:12.39 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 18:12.39 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 18:14.09 | mohkohn | Hello. Trying to figure out why I am unable to connect to a static wireless network. |
| 18:14.47 | amphi | static? you mean ad-hoc? |
| 18:15.01 | chable | im out bye |
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| 18:18.17 | mohkohn | dns 10.0.0.138 |
| 18:18.44 | mohkohn | ip address 10.0.0.12 |
| 18:19.00 | mohkohn | Gateway 10.0.0.138 |
| 18:19.14 | mohkohn | The WEP key is hexidecimal |
| 18:19.16 | liran_ | i know that address |
| 18:19.26 | liran_ | mohkohn: is this a speedtouch modem? |
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| 18:19.50 | abrotman | or you're both on the same network! |
| 18:19.50 | mohkohn | wait I'll ask the locals |
| 18:20.06 | bulio| | How do I disable DHCP on debian? |
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| 18:20.17 | bulio| | Because I need to setup a static IP for the DMZ |
| 18:20.34 | mohkohn | yes liran |
| 18:20.40 | mohkohn | liran_, |
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| 18:21.39 | liran_ | mohkohn: ahh i knew it! :) |
| 18:21.41 | deadcat | how do i tell awk to stop after it matches the first "%" ? |
| 18:21.47 | liran_ | mohkohn: alright, tell me what do you need help with |
| 18:22.13 | rhsanborn | If I switch to unstable, can I download the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:22.22 | liran_ | bulio|: edit /etc/network/interfaces and change the line where it says "auto eth0" |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | rhsanborn: there is a 2.6 kernel in sarge |
| 18:22.38 | deadcat | nevermind. |
| 18:22.45 | bulio| | liran_: thanks |
| 18:22.51 | liran_ | hey abrotman |
| 18:22.54 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:23.02 | rhsanborn | abrotman sweet goodness, what are the kernel packages called? |
| 18:23.03 | abrotman | bulio|: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:23.12 | abrotman | rhsanborn: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 18:23.20 | abrotman | pick the one for your CPU |
| 18:23.21 | liran_ | abrotman: isn't it linux-image for 2.6? |
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| 18:23.27 | abrotman | liran_: for etch/sid yes .. not sarge |
| 18:23.35 | liran_ | abrotman: ahh ok. |
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| 18:23.37 | mohkohn | I am trying to connect with the wireless network here |
| 18:23.42 | murokki | is it ok to add sarge packages to etch? |
| 18:23.48 | abrotman | depend |
| 18:23.50 | abrotman | s |
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| 18:24.13 | mohkohn | I am using etch and my friend here next to me is on dare I say it the U word. |
| 18:24.26 | mohkohn | I won't say it. |
| 18:24.32 | abrotman | good idea |
| 18:24.36 | rhsanborn | abrotman thanks. My vid drivers don't seem to like 2.4, hears hoping for a little better luck with 2.6 |
| 18:24.47 | murokki | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | which drivers are those ? |
| 18:24.54 | abrotman | murokki: depends on the package |
| 18:25.03 | rhsanborn | abrotman s3 supersavage on an old IBM laptop |
| 18:25.10 | abrotman | oh uh ... |
| 18:32.34 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 18:32.35 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
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| 18:32.36 | rhsanborn | abrotman nice |
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| 18:32.37 | abrotman | rhsanborn: depending on the chipset .. you might want to go to either the Xfree 3.3.6 packages in sarge .. or to xorg .. i've had heaps of trouble with s3 cards on X4 |
| 18:32.38 | dhuv | does anybody use gsynaptic? I see an option for "On edge" * "Continue scroll" |
| 18:32.38 | dhuv | but it does not work |
| 18:32.39 | rhsanborn | abrotman /sigh, bugger, why does this always have to be difficult :p |
| 18:32.40 | abrotman | rhsanborn: blame s3 for making crappy devices |
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| 18:32.40 | dhuv | I normally use qsynaptics because I run KDE |
| 18:32.40 | lord_ceiphas | i just ran the NVIDI-driver-package from the shell, compiled the module, loaded it with modprobe, checked the existence with lsmod, bit X tells me, that the module doesnt exist |
| 18:32.41 | DanTH | Hi Guys |
| 18:32.41 | rhsanborn | abrotman and IBM for using them |
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| 18:32.42 | abrotman | rhsanborn: well .. that too |
| 18:32.42 | dhuv | but it does not have that Continue scroll on edge option |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | rhsanborn: though .. my thinkpad has a nice intel card :) |
| 18:32.43 | DanTH | is there a command to check if the kernel has been compiled to run at 1000HZ? |
| 18:32.43 | murokki | abrotman: i'd like to add these repos http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors.html |
| 18:32.43 | abrotman | DanTH: check the config |
| 18:32.43 | abrotman | murokki: ok .. have fun! |
| 18:32.44 | rhsanborn | abrotman s3 has put out an x4 driver, I'm going to try it with the 2.6 kernel, if that doesn't work, then I'll see what else I can do |
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| 18:32.55 | murokki | abrotman: so is good idea? |
| 18:32.55 | liran_ | mohkohn: can you give me some more info? |
| 18:32.55 | murokki | is it* |
| 18:32.55 | murokki | liran_: like what? |
| 18:32.56 | rhsanborn | Going down for reboot, brb |
| 18:32.56 | abrotman | rhsanborn: ok |
| 18:32.57 | abrotman | murokki: dunno .. i don't use them |
| 18:32.57 | liran_ | murokki: my bad, i meant mohkohn |
| 18:32.58 | lord_ceiphas | why does Xorg tell me, that the module nvidia doesnt exist, when lsmod shows it? |
| 18:32.58 | DanTH | ./usr/include/asm/param.h |
| 18:32.58 | DanTH | in that file? |
| 18:33.00 | liran_ | mohkohn: can you give me some more info about the network? |
| 18:33.00 | abrotman | murokki: why not use these ? http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors-testing.html |
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| 18:33.06 | mohkohn | sorry my network dropped out |
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| 18:33.08 | mohkohn | back now it appears |
| 18:33.09 | liran_ | mohkohn: ahh ok. |
| 18:33.09 | mohkohn | static network in a hotel in Khartoum, Sudan |
| 18:33.10 | DanTH | abrotman sorry you said to check config i have its in there but i wondered if there was a command i could run |
| 18:33.10 | DanTH | to see |
| 18:33.10 | liran_ | mohkohn: ok. you on it right now? |
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| 18:33.17 | mohkohn | 10.0.0.138 is the DNS for the wireless... liran_ I am using cable to talk to you now. |
| 18:33.17 | liran_ | mohkohn: i see. |
| 18:33.17 | liran_ | mohkohn: so right now you're connecting with a wired cable and its fine. |
| 18:33.17 | mohkohn | but want to figure out how to connect with the wireless so I can show the locals |
| 18:33.18 | liran_ | mohkohn: are you getting dhcp? |
| 18:33.18 | abrotman | DanTH: ask #kernel .. i'm not aware of one |
| 18:33.18 | mohkohn | this is definitely a static ip address network |
| 18:33.20 | murokki | abrotman: yeah i did |
| 18:33.38 | murokki | how about adding unstable packages to testing? |
| 18:33.45 | nvz | abrotman: howdy |
| 18:33.53 | liran_ | mohkohn: so it's not a network problem you're having but a wireless support on your linux problem. |
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| 18:33.57 | abrotman | murokki: there are testing packages there .. why don't you want to use them? |
| 18:34.00 | abrotman | nvz: hey |
| 18:34.03 | kimo | guys, is anyone aware of a way to migrate win2k3 Active Directory accounts data, over to ldap/samba ?? |
| 18:34.12 | abrotman | kimo: ask #samba .. |
| 18:34.18 | nvz | abrotman: I'm wired now :) |
| 18:34.30 | abrotman | nvz: no more crack for you |
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| 18:34.42 | nvz | abrotman: I mean I got internet jackass :P |
| 18:34.46 | murokki | abrotman: i do |
| 18:34.51 | mohkohn | This laptop works fine at another cafe as dhcp. The card is functioning in debian. |
| 18:34.53 | rhsanborn | clear |
| 18:34.58 | rhsanborn | sorry |
| 18:35.12 | rhsanborn | Is Xorg included in the defualt mirror setup? |
| 18:35.23 | liran_ | mohkohn: ok so this is what im suggesting |
| 18:35.24 | nvz | rhsanborn: for etch and sid, yes |
| 18:35.42 | murokki | but seems like testing packages don't contain all i want |
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| 18:35.48 | liran_ | mohkohn: check out the basic stuff 'iwlist scan' see if you see a network, check ifconfig wlan0 |
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| 18:36.03 | liran_ | mohkohn: or whatever the network card interface name is |
| 18:36.03 | abrotman | rhsanborn: for sarge no .. your options are 1) use backports 2) upgrade to etch |
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| 18:36.42 | liran_ | mohkohn: once you know all the wireless support is fine just take a look at /etc/network/interfaces and configure the wlan0 (the wireless interface) to be static |
| 18:36.52 | rhsanborn | abrotman you're killin me.... |
| 18:36.55 | rhsanborn | lie to me...something |
| 18:36.58 | mohkohn | it comes up interface doesn't support scanning |
| 18:37.09 | amphi | rhsanborn: the xorg backport works well |
| 18:37.18 | mohkohn | but it shows wlan0 there and sit0 and eth0 |
| 18:37.59 | rhsanborn | amphi I don't show any xorg pkgs avail in sarge... |
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| 18:38.12 | amphi | rhsanborn: backports.org |
| 18:38.24 | hamza | hi folx |
| 18:38.47 | mohkohn | liran_, ifconfig wlan0 looks ok |
| 18:38.51 | rhsanborn | Alright, I know there was a general catch-all upgrade command in Mandy, is there an equiv apt-get command to do a complete sys update? or is it just easier to download a new disc and reinstall/ |
| 18:38.52 | rhsanborn | ? |
| 18:38.54 | Heston | where can i get the win32 codecs from? |
| 18:39.09 | odla | !tell Heston about w32codecsx |
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| 18:39.11 | odla | !tell Heston about w32codecs |
| 18:39.19 | hamza | rhsanborn: use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:39.22 | Heston | thanks |
| 18:39.27 | rhsanborn | hamza thanks |
| 18:39.27 | afed | !tell Heston about boners |
| 18:39.36 | odla | boners? |
| 18:39.36 | liran_ | mohkohn: ok then. try to configure the wlan0 interface with static network addresses like you do to your cable network card. |
| 18:40.20 | hamza | rhsanborn: but you have to change the sources list first, unless you want to stay in your distro (stable/Testing/unstable../) |
| 18:40.37 | lord_ceiphas | my dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xorg shows me my self-compiled nvidia-module... but if i want to boot with that, it says "failed to load module, module does not exist" |
| 18:40.40 | mohkohn | using the gnome network settings? |
| 18:40.50 | hamza | I want the opposite, is there a dist-downgrade? I need to change my xserver... |
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| 18:41.02 | hamza | can I go back to testing from unstable? |
| 18:41.06 | liran_ | mohkohn: i'd personally do it from the /etc/network/interfaces file but you can give the gui manager a shot |
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| 18:41.15 | abrotman | rhsanborn: you want to go to etch ? |
| 18:41.15 | asulao | hi. help please. how can I make sendmail rescan /var/spool/mail/* to deliver the emails? there are some mails not retrievable by clients in there. thanks. |
| 18:41.22 | rhsanborn | hamza which one is etch? testing or unstable? |
| 18:41.24 | liran_ | mohkohn: are you sure the wireless network is open? (no wep or wpa encryption) |
| 18:41.32 | abrotman | !tell rhsanborn about sarge->etch |
| 18:41.35 | mackay | anyone familiar with deploying rails on debian stable? I was looking into pound and mongrel, however mongrel requires ruby 1.8.4 and stable only has 1.8.2? |
| 18:41.50 | lord_ceiphas | my dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xorg shows me my self-compiled nvidia-module... but if i want to boot with that, it says "failed to load module, module does not exist" |
| 18:42.28 | mohkohn | there is wep but I have been given the key |
| 18:42.33 | mohkohn | hexidecimal |
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| 18:42.55 | hamza | !tell hamza about sarge->etch |
| 18:43.21 | odla | !tell hamaza about msg |
| 18:43.26 | odla | !tell hamza about msg |
| 18:43.30 | rhsanborn | now we wait...thanks guys, as always, I really appreciate the help...and don't understand how you guys keep all these silly little commands straight :P |
| 18:43.36 | liran_ | mohkohn: well i believe you should have some support for it with the module for the wireless so i hope for you that you do :) |
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| 18:43.52 | odla | rhsanborn: cause they're not silly :p |
| 18:44.08 | abrotman | rhsanborn: i had an upgrade last year! |
| 18:44.28 | hamza | sorry odla, I need to learn those things, too... |
| 18:44.36 | odla | hamza: np |
| 18:44.45 | odla | hamza: just type /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 18:44.55 | odla | abrotman: i thought you've _always_ run testing? |
| 18:45.23 | abrotman | odla: on my laptop .. mostly |
| 18:45.37 | abrotman | hamza: you can't downgrade |
| 18:45.42 | kminor | I've never used ubuntu, what's the deal with that? iv'e heard it's like a watered down debian |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 18:46.07 | Flash | kminor - in the same sense beer is watered down wine |
| 18:46.09 | odla | i downgrade last week - i went from sid august 2005 to etch current on a desktop |
| 18:46.21 | Ronin | Flash: so not similiar at all then :) |
| 18:46.27 | Flash | :) |
| 18:46.29 | odla | though that's not really downgrading software just name |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | odla: those would be probably the same :) |
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| 18:46.54 | odla | abrotman: no sid august 2005 was way behind |
| 18:47.16 | hamza | I am in trouble, because I had the kanotix distro and read that you can install into a sid debian system, so I thought it was testing. now I have a broken thing here... |
| 18:47.30 | odla | i had like 500 updates, and an upgrade to 7.0, which didn't break! |
| 18:47.45 | kminor | Flash: hehe, gotcha...so pretty much I can get drunk quicker with debian eh? :) |
| 18:47.46 | Ronin | hamza: best bet is to back up what you want to keep and install debian |
| 18:48.00 | odla | hamza: are you running kanotix? if you are it's best to ask in #kanotix about these questions |
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| 18:48.20 | hamza | I have done debian-netinstall and then changed sources list to testing but got broken package dependencies, I tried sid, but it is no better. |
| 18:48.23 | odla | hamza: also afaik kantoix keeps an active webpage which tells you when/when not to upgrade sid |
| 18:48.40 | hamza | is there a nice meta-package that gives me a working x-server? |
| 18:48.41 | Heston | odla, apt-get still can't find win32codecs after all that |
| 18:48.47 | Ronin | hamza: and you should stay away from sid unless you can fix it when it breaks without help :) |
| 18:48.54 | odla | Heston: did you add marillat repositories and then run apt-get update? |
| 18:48.59 | Heston | of course |
| 18:49.12 | hamza | I just read dpkges advice on it.. ;) |
| 18:49.12 | odla | Heston: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 18:49.17 | odla | not win32codecs |
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| 18:49.19 | Ronin | hamza: x-window-system |
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| 18:49.27 | Heston | oh |
| 18:49.29 | hamza | cheers ronin |
| 18:49.30 | Heston | thanks |
| 18:49.31 | odla | :D |
| 18:49.31 | odla | np |
| 18:50.02 | abrotman | hamza: you cannot |
| 18:50.05 | MustangMatt | Anyone tried out vmware on sarge? |
| 18:50.10 | abrotman | hamza: install debian ... |
| 18:50.23 | lord_ceiphas | my dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xorg shows me my self-compiled nvidia-module... but if i want to boot with that, it says "failed to load module, module does not exist" |
| 18:50.24 | odla | yeah etch is wicked stable for me |
| 18:50.43 | Ronin | hamza: but what i said only works if you run debian from debian install cd, not install ubuntu etc then try to change to debian |
| 18:50.44 | odla | and has been since january 2005, except for some minor glitches |
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| 18:55.03 | hamza | Ronin: This was the worst install I have done in a few Years... I have installed debian, Knoppix, Kanotix, Suse, Mandrake, Ubuntu, RedHat but this last Debian-netinstall I just messed up somewhere. Sound is not working, the screen is set to 800x600 (and kde just doesn't work with that) usb-device doesn't come up etc. etc... |
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| 18:55.26 | Ronin | hamza: then fix them :) |
| 18:56.22 | hamza | I get a message: Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed? |
| 18:56.25 | MustangMatt | hamza: if you're looking for an out of the box desktop system, try ubuntu |
| 18:56.49 | MustangMatt | hamza: there's a live cd to test what works and what doesn't before you install even. |
| 18:57.22 | hamza | MustangMatt (get outa here) debian is quite alright, it is the best. just this desktop isn't working because I messed up... |
| 18:57.23 | cydork | !debian vs ubuntu |
| 18:57.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu sucks! |
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| 18:57.54 | lord_ceiphas | my dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xorg shows me my self-compiled nvidia-module... but if i want to boot with that, it says "failed to load module, module does not exist" |
| 18:57.57 | Ronin | hamza: start with one problem etc. gets over whelming when you look at the whole pile of htem |
| 18:57.58 | kvossen | I get an SHPC: cannot reserve MMIO region error during boot-time hardware detection. Any idea what might be causing this? |
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| 18:58.10 | lord_ceiphas | ill repeat that till anybody talks to me |
| 18:58.18 | abrotman | hamza: do you have nvidia/ati in this machine ? |
| 18:58.26 | hamza | I think so |
| 18:58.30 | cydork | lord_ceiphas, unstable?? |
| 18:58.30 | abrotman | lspci |
| 18:58.37 | stew | !forget debian vs ubuntu |
| 18:58.37 | dpkg | i forgot debian vs ubuntu, stew |
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| 18:58.50 | MustangMatt | ubuntu = debian |
| 18:58.57 | abrotman | uh .. not even close |
| 18:59.02 | hamza | nVidia Corporation NV5M64 |
| 18:59.03 | Ronin | MustangMatt: not even close |
| 18:59.06 | MustangMatt | Sure it is. |
| 18:59.12 | lord_ceiphas | my dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xorg shows me my self-compiled nvidia-module... but if i want to boot with that, it says "failed to load module, module does not exist" |
| 18:59.12 | MustangMatt | It's a custom configuration of debian |
| 18:59.13 | Ronin | ya like mandriva = redhat |
| 18:59.25 | Ronin | they arent |
| 18:59.26 | lord_ceiphas | mandriva = mandrake |
| 18:59.32 | lord_ceiphas | fedora= redhat |
| 18:59.33 | abrotman | no |
| 18:59.39 | hamza | MustangMatt: just leave this and go to #whowantstohear? |
| 18:59.42 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 18:59.43 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:59.48 | dendrite | MustangMatt: Well, seeing as how configuration is the main thing that separates one distro from another, no, they're not the same, by your own words. |
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| 18:59.58 | Ronin | lord_ceiphas: actually it came from redhat so mandriva = redhat works as well as MustangMatts debian = ubuntu :) |
| 18:59.59 | abrotman | MustangMatt: no .. ubuntu IS NOT debian .. fedora IS NOT redhat .. mandriva IS NOT mandrake |
| 19:00.04 | MustangMatt | dendrite: But they use the same package manager. |
| 19:00.17 | stew | MustangMatt: redhat uses apt-get as well |
| 19:00.18 | Ronin | abrotman: exactly |
| 19:00.25 | MustangMatt | I can setup both debian and ubuntu nearly identical by setting my sources.list and issuing the right installation commands. |
| 19:00.26 | abrotman | so does suse,fedora, RH, yellowdog, mandriva, ark .. want me to keep going ? |
| 19:00.27 | dendrite | MustangMatt: That's like saying a porsche is the same as a yugo because they both use gasoline engines. |
| 19:00.29 | hamza | could you go out with this distro crap discussion make your own channel we are here not to discuss anything but debian FULL STOP |
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| 19:00.48 | MustangMatt | Guys, I use sarge |
| 19:00.51 | Ronin | hamza: you get used to it after a while |
| 19:01.02 | MustangMatt | This dude was just wanting it to "work" out of the box without fixing things himself. |
| 19:01.16 | hamza | it is always the same, but since ubuntu it's gotten more heavy... |
| 19:01.19 | abrotman | i didn't see him say that |
| 19:01.27 | abrotman | he just said it was a bad install ... |
| 19:01.31 | abrotman | some people actually like to learn :) |
| 19:01.43 | hamza | me neither, at least in debian I can learn. |
| 19:01.44 | MustangMatt | Right, but he was getting frustrated that it didn't "just work" |
| 19:01.59 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 19:02.01 | MustangMatt | I assumed (possibly mistaken) that he was a newb. |
| 19:02.04 | Ronin | MustangMatt: then help him fix it instead of sending them to ubuntu |
| 19:02.04 | abrotman | hamza: start with one problem at a time |
| 19:02.16 | linuxdesktop | Hi my valiases file has a pipe rule followed by a catchall set to fail |
| 19:02.17 | Ronin | hamza: which one do you wnt to work on first? |
| 19:02.23 | linuxdesktop | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.28 | linuxdesktop | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.30 | MustangMatt | Ronin: Does he want to fix the problems or not? I assumed he just wanted it to work without having to fix them himself. |
| 19:02.42 | MustangMatt | Crying about your sound not working won't magically fix it. |
| 19:02.43 | cydork | hamza, for sound /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 19:03.09 | Ronin | MustangMatt: you should have heard me bitching when i couldn't get the mta to work if you want crying :) |
| 19:03.14 | abrotman | linuxdesktop: was that a debian question ? |
| 19:03.29 | linuxdesktop | yes exim installed in debian |
| 19:04.01 | hamza | okay, first I need a decent screen resolution of 1024x800 but I can'T change it in kde. I modified the source of XFree86 config |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | Ronin: i'll trade you trying to understand cyrus :) |
| 19:04.11 | Ronin | abrotman: pass |
| 19:04.12 | abrotman | hamza: are you using nvidia? lspci to find out |
| 19:04.14 | MustangMatt | ronin: heh I've been there. |
| 19:04.19 | Ronin | !tell hamza about drxx |
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| 19:04.35 | hamza | I said Yes nVidia Corporation NV5M64 |
| 19:04.50 | Ronin | hamza: now that may not work as it sounds like you manually edited the file |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | !tell hamza about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:05.00 | bulio| | is there a way for me to edit a bios setting |
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| 19:05.07 | bulio| | so that booting with a keyboard is not required |
| 19:05.08 | Ronin | bulio|: from the bios :) |
| 19:05.16 | Ronin | ahh |
| 19:05.18 | abrotman | bulio|: depends on your bios .. go look |
| 19:05.21 | cydork | !tell hamza about xmd5 |
| 19:05.22 | bulio| | Its a headless server |
| 19:05.32 | Ronin | bulio|: boot into the bios and take a look |
| 19:06.18 | hamza | okay people thanks for that I will work down the list... |
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| 19:12.13 | blondie | o.o |
| 19:12.48 | dasunt | Something like 30 CPUs, 20 disks. |
| 19:13.00 | dasunt | The boot time is about 15 minutes. |
| 19:13.17 | dasunt | Which is really fun when you are trying to diagnose a bad scsi disk. |
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| 19:15.46 | abrotman | dasunt: at least it doesn't run windows? :) |
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| 19:17.15 | dasunt | Woot, I may have isolated the channels with the bad disks. |
| 19:17.33 | cydork | !prize dasunt |
| 19:17.51 | abrotman | maybe it's a bad channel? |
| 19:18.07 | dasunt | Might be. |
| 19:18.19 | rokjan | help me |
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| 19:18.42 | Ronin | !tell rokjan about ask |
| 19:18.53 | rokjan | how configure printer from the console? |
| 19:18.59 | rokjan | please Ronin!! |
| 19:19.14 | dasunt | Well, I have two 9-disk batches in this machine. |
| 19:19.19 | hamza | rokjan, look at the message from dpkg |
| 19:19.25 | Storkme | is it me or is http://en.wikipedia.org/ down? |
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| 19:19.35 | dasunt | One of the 9-disk batch came from a 10-disk batch with a bad disk. |
| 19:19.42 | dasunt | So I should have one channel that is bad. |
| 19:19.46 | rokjan | hamza: how? |
| 19:19.56 | dasunt | Er, one disk pair that is bad. |
| 19:20.03 | dasunt | But not two. |
| 19:20.14 | seb- | i made my own 2.6.15 kernel on a debian Sarge/STABLE box.....will my old udev be too old and cause problems?! SHould i install udev from source TOO? |
| 19:20.28 | abrotman | Storkme: you could ask #wikipedia :) |
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| 19:20.35 | dasunt | AFK to hit the datacenter. |
| 19:20.41 | odla | rokjan: are you using cups? |
| 19:20.54 | rokjan | odla:yes |
| 19:21.12 | odla | rokjan: http://localhost:631/admin |
| 19:21.17 | odla | rokjan: you can set up cups there |
| 19:21.23 | rokjan | from console? |
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| 19:21.36 | rokjan | odla: from console? |
| 19:21.36 | cahoot | rokjan: try lpadmin |
| 19:21.38 | odla | i'm not sure how to do it from console :/ |
| 19:21.46 | rokjan | cahoot: ok |
| 19:21.54 | nzk | Can someone get me unbanned from #ubuntu |
| 19:22.00 | nzk | Pleeeaaasssee |
| 19:22.05 | odla | nzk: ah? |
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| 19:22.10 | Ronin | nzk: do we look lik e#ubuntu ops? |
| 19:22.12 | odla | try #ubuntu |
| 19:22.13 | peterS | nzk: why are you asking us? |
| 19:22.15 | abrotman | nzk: wrong channel .. msg the person that banned you |
| 19:22.24 | peterS | odla: now _that_ is a helpful answer. did you read his question? |
| 19:22.26 | nzk | No idea who it is :( |
| 19:22.40 | odla | peterS: i did, but what a stupid question for #debian |
| 19:22.47 | Ronin | nzk: then wait and see if it times out and dont do whatever it was you did again |
| 19:22.50 | mohkohn | I now see my network when I scan liran_ |
| 19:22.55 | peterS | odla: and what a stupid answer. "ask the channel you cannot talk in" |
| 19:23.03 | odla | whatever |
| 19:23.06 | mohkohn | I now see my network when I scan |
| 19:23.11 | peterS | odla: in fact you said "ask the channel you can't join" |
| 19:23.16 | nzk | Ronin: when is it going to time out |
| 19:23.18 | mohkohn | but can't connect still |
| 19:23.18 | hamza | abrotman: you know what I think about people abusing #debian? |
| 19:23.23 | abrotman | nzk: your entire network has been banned .. i think you're shit out of luck |
| 19:23.33 | nzk | What? |
| 19:23.34 | Jenkens | it seems i have some flunkies fron HK and Singapore trying to bruteforce my FTP. Is there some iptable rule I can set that blocks IP's after "X" tries to connect or something? |
| 19:23.36 | Ronin | nzk:apparently never if abrotman is correct :) |
| 19:23.39 | abrotman | nzk: find a #ubuntu channel op .. ask them why .. this is the wrong channel |
| 19:23.48 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.54 | nzk | Bah |
| 19:23.59 | seb- | abrotman! i made my own 2.6.15 kernel on a debian Sarge/STABLE box.....will my old udev be too old and cause problems?! SHould i install udev from source TOO? |
| 19:24.02 | nzk | I'm leaving to the states in 3 days |
| 19:24.07 | cahoot | Jenkens: ban2fail? |
| 19:24.16 | nzk | Except IM COMPLETELY BANNED FROM FREENODE THERE...:( |
| 19:24.16 | abrotman | seb-: might be .. |
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| 19:24.31 | sussudio | nzk: i can see why |
| 19:24.33 | amphi | nzk: you must have sinned greatly |
| 19:24.34 | cydork | Jenkes, it's fail2ban |
| 19:24.35 | abrotman | nzk: not our problem .. complain to a #ubuntu op |
| 19:24.41 | nzk | I dont know any |
| 19:24.44 | hamza | nzk maybe they have a reason, please don't shout |
| 19:24.45 | peterS | amphi: or someone else with pppoe in Russia sinned |
| 19:24.47 | Jenkens | cydork: is that a iptable rule or something else? |
| 19:24.48 | nzk | I'm...banned |
| 19:24.50 | odla | nzk: try one of the other ubuntu channels, i.e. #ubuntu-motu, #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 19:24.58 | abrotman | nzk: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list .. find one .. |
| 19:25.00 | hamza | hehe |
| 19:25.03 | cahoot | Jenkens: hrrm fail2ban |
| 19:25.09 | cydork | Jenkens, it's iptables.. |
| 19:25.11 | hamza | leave this guy alone |
| 19:25.12 | nvz | heh |
| 19:25.18 | nzk | Thanks abrotman |
| 19:25.25 | Jenkens | cydork: ok, i dont recall that from the manpage. |
| 19:25.49 | amphi | peterS: true |
| 19:26.01 | cydork | !info fail2ban |
| 19:26.02 | peterS | amphi: it's a pretty broad ban, not to be confused with broad band |
| 19:26.04 | dpkg | fail2ban: (bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 19:26.25 | Kamil | hi... this is kind of unrelated to debian, but i thought some people here might have been in a similar situation. suppose you are canadian and an american tech company has hired you. at what point before your move to the us would you have received your tn docs? |
| 19:26.26 | Jenkens | alright |
| 19:26.45 | nvz | isnt broadband one word |
| 19:26.47 | peterS | nvz: yes, but broad ban isn't, so the joke works better if you split it |
| 19:27.15 | nvz | yeah its beyond me I guess |
| 19:27.26 | ugarit | How does one resolve this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21421 dpkg -r is getting errors |
| 19:27.49 | abrotman | ugarit: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:28.21 | ugarit | ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 19:28.27 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu how to fix it |
| 19:28.41 | hamza | if nvidia graphics was removed from testing, will it be in sid? |
| 19:29.00 | cydork | hamza, yep |
| 19:29.02 | Jenkens | cydork: thanks! :) that seems like it'll due. |
| 19:29.07 | Jenkens | .. do, rather. |
| 19:29.09 | ugarit | abrotman: no one there knows!!!, forced removal is not working, can this be cleared manually? |
| 19:29.23 | abrotman | ugarit: then install debian .. it's not our problem .. you chose ubuntu .. you get their support |
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| 19:29.25 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 19:29.26 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 19:29.26 | hamza | cydork, so I can use the nvidia hint from dpkg for my sid... |
| 19:30.00 | ugarit | abrotman: fair enough :-) |
| 19:30.13 | nzk | Isnt ubuntu the same as debian? |
| 19:30.19 | peterS | nzk: no |
| 19:30.20 | mutante_ | its based on it |
| 19:30.22 | hamza | nzk, no |
| 19:30.22 | nvz | ugarit: i've done this before but its not a nice thing to do.. but you could just kill clvm yourself then edit the pre-remove script its bitching about and change the exit 1 to exit 0 its failing on and it will remove for you |
| 19:30.24 | peterS | nzk: if it were, it would be called Debian |
| 19:30.33 | nzk | But its called ubuntu |
| 19:30.50 | hamza | nvz could you please go to #ubuntu to help them? |
| 19:30.51 | peterS | nzk: would you say SuSE is the same as Red Hat? it's a similar situation. |
| 19:30.57 | mutante_ | you can use the same apt-get commands |
| 19:31.00 | peterS | hamza: he can't, remember? |
| 19:31.00 | dendrite | ugarit: By any chance, did the people at #ubuntu suggest you come here? |
| 19:31.02 | hamza | not again!! |
| 19:31.04 | nzk | SuSE? Red Hat? |
| 19:31.14 | nzk | Where I live "Red Hat" is a chippendales show |
| 19:31.14 | abrotman | nzk: ubuntu IS NOT debian .. end of discussion |
| 19:31.28 | abrotman | nzk: i thought you were getting yourself unbanned? |
| 19:31.29 | ugarit | dendrite: not at all, they tried to help, but debian is the ancestor of ubuntu ... |
| 19:31.31 | blondie | nzk: pebkac |
| 19:31.45 | nzk | I am trying as good as I can |
| 19:31.47 | nvz | abrotman: had any beer lately? mellow out :P |
| 19:31.48 | dendrite | ugarit: Good. Just curious. |
| 19:31.48 | abrotman | nalioth: do you know why there is the *!*@*pppoe.mtu-net.ru ballard.freenode.net in #ubuntu |
| 19:31.58 | abrotman | nvz: you try a weekend with my family :) |
| 19:32.00 | nzk | Blondie: thats in my ID10T folder |
| 19:32.03 | nvz | hah |
| 19:32.07 | ugarit | nvz: |
| 19:32.17 | nvz | I had my cousin over here for a few hours, but she left |
| 19:32.22 | ugarit | nvz: where are pre-remove scripts? |
| 19:32.23 | abrotman | where's carrie ? |
| 19:32.24 | nvz | I dont care much for visitors either |
| 19:32.28 | abrotman | ugarit: GO TO #ubuntu |
| 19:32.59 | nvz | ugarit: hmm.. no idea but if I stabbed around in /var I would probably find them.. lets see |
| 19:33.13 | abrotman | nvz: go to #ubuntu with him |
| 19:33.22 | blondie | smelly ubuntu users |
| 19:33.30 | nvz | abrotman: I am not into the online dating scene. |
| 19:33.33 | peterS | ugarit: and ugaritic is the ancestor of hebrew. you can't learn hebrew by studying ugaritic though. |
| 19:33.37 | dasunt | blondie: Are you called 'joe' or 'manco' as well as blondie? |
| 19:33.43 | blondie | no |
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| 19:34.04 | dasunt | blondie: So I guess you aren't the man with no name. |
| 19:34.17 | ugarit | peterS: excellent! I believe that ugaritic is the first alphabet but in cuniuform (sp?) |
| 19:34.26 | peterS | cuneiform, yes. |
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| 19:34.42 | peterS | I didn't know it was alphabetic, I figured it was heiroglyphic |
| 19:34.44 | ugarit | peterS: I've visited the site |
| 19:34.44 | nvz | ugarit: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ seems like the place |
| 19:34.48 | itrebal | when compiling a kernel, how do i create the initrd file for it? |
| 19:35.06 | nzk | I broke my computer |
| 19:35.09 | nzk | Help me |
| 19:35.20 | peterS | itrebal: use 'make-kpkg' from kernel-package, specify that you want an initrd for whatever reason (you may not need one at all), and then install the package normally |
| 19:35.24 | seb- | abrotman: possible to do a simple sid backport of udev? |
| 19:35.25 | cydork | nzk, you have to say more than that. :) |
| 19:35.33 | ugarit | nvz: thanks |
| 19:35.33 | abrotman | !info udev sid |
| 19:35.34 | seb- | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:35.34 | dpkg | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 19:35.35 | nzk | I smashed the side in with a hammer |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | !info udev etch |
| 19:35.39 | nvz | ugarit: editing scripts and changing exit codes isnt a good practice.. but it seems to just be failing on making sure its stopped.. and if you do that yourself and tell it to stfu it should remove in this case |
| 19:35.53 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.093-1 (sid), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 928 kB |
| 19:35.54 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.093-1 (etch), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 928 kB |
| 19:35.55 | abrotman | this is why we get ubuntu people that won't go away! |
| 19:36.04 | abrotman | seb-: same version of udev in etch and sid |
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| 19:36.23 | nvz | ugarit: I am just giving you a crude fix since I've never used ubuntu or its packages and dont know where the error lies |
| 19:36.36 | cydork | nzk, now try smashing it on the oppostie side :) |
| 19:36.43 | seb- | abrotman: so what does that mean? should i upgrade to etch instead of backporting udev? |
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| 19:37.04 | abrotman | seb-: you can ... or you can try asking Md if sarge's udev will work with that kernel |
| 19:37.05 | ugarit | nvz: you've done your best and thank you all, salam |
| 19:37.09 | peterS | seb-: udev is available on backports.org, that is probably your simplest option |
| 19:37.29 | abrotman | or that |
| 19:37.35 | nzk | I kinda sorta got banned from the entire freenode on my other ip |
| 19:37.39 | nzk | Whadda I Do |
| 19:37.42 | abrotman | nzk: go away |
| 19:37.43 | seb- | peterS, abrotman: thanks a million |
| 19:38.06 | peterS | nzk: whatever you did, please try to stay on topic in #debian. that means Debian questions and answers, not Freenode ban status questions, not Ubuntu questions. |
| 19:38.11 | nzk | Fine |
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| 19:38.18 | abrotman | like that'll work |
| 19:38.25 | nzk | My Debian Based system ain't workin |
| 19:38.35 | nvz | nzk: stfu about it in here or you will be banned from here on this IP. goto a freenode channel and find a staffer to talk about that with ffs |
| 19:38.41 | nzk | Sorry :( |
| 19:38.49 | nzk | Bye |
| 19:38.55 | itrebal | toodles |
| 19:38.58 | itrebal | peterS: thanks |
| 19:38.59 | nzk | Whats a freenode channel? I know of none |
| 19:39.04 | abrotman | try #freenode .. |
| 19:39.05 | uwe | hello, im getting an error in debian etch while trying to use mysql_connect from php, i belive i used to fix that by doing apt-reconfigure php4-mysql, but its not working, any idea what it could be? |
| 19:39.12 | Seb | abrotman: educated guess huh ? :D |
| 19:39.17 | peterS | #freenode redirects to #freenode-social these days, I believe |
| 19:39.19 | abrotman | uwe: what's the errror ? |
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| 19:39.27 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. but it was close enough! |
| 19:39.35 | dasunt | He's in #freenode-social, #ubuntu-motu, #ubuntu-fr, and #debian. |
| 19:39.35 | nzk | <nzk> Can I talk to an op please |
| 19:39.35 | nzk | * #freenode-social :Cannot send to channel |
| 19:39.47 | nzk | Jesus H and mary christ |
| 19:39.48 | dasunt | Is nzk running debian or ubuntu? |
| 19:39.49 | itrebal | you have to be opped |
| 19:39.51 | abrotman | nzk: please /part |
| 19:39.52 | peterS | nzk: you have to wait until they recognise you and give you a +v flag |
| 19:39.53 | itrebal | err... voiced |
| 19:39.54 | Jenkens | hrmmm |
| 19:39.55 | abrotman | itrebal: voiced .. not opped |
| 19:39.57 | nzk | Ok |
| 19:40.09 | iveqy | hi, how do I switch from zsh to bash after logging in via ssh to a remote machine? |
| 19:40.10 | Seb | what's a good site on which I could virtually "build" a PC tower by picking parts, and then buy it ? |
| 19:40.11 | dasunt | If you are running Ubuntu, I suggest the Ubuntu channel. |
| 19:40.14 | nzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.16 | dasunt | iveqy: 'bash'? |
| 19:40.17 | Seb | iveqy: type "bash" |
| 19:40.21 | nvz | +v flag.. *grins* |
| 19:40.21 | nzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.22 | kminor | hahaha |
| 19:40.23 | abrotman | seb: monarch .. ask #hardware |
| 19:40.28 | nvz | makes me want to install bzflag |
| 19:40.32 | Seb | abrotman: k |
| 19:40.34 | iveqy | dasunt: but everytime and without zsh in the background. |
| 19:40.38 | peterS | iveqy: you can just run bash by typing bash. to actually change your default shell, use 'chsh'. |
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| 19:40.47 | dasunt | iveqy: You could try changing your login preferences. |
| 19:40.49 | chron | how do you display all pkgs installed? |
| 19:40.51 | nvz | not sure how well bzflag 2.0 would run on this TNT2 |
| 19:40.52 | peterS | chron: dpkg -l |
| 19:41.02 | dasunt | chron: dpkg -l |
| 19:41.03 | iveqy | peterS: thank you, the default shell was what I whant to change |
| 19:41.03 | abrotman | !win peterS |
| 19:41.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, peterS! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:41.08 | dasunt | 'dpkg -l | less' may be more useful. (Going for extra credit!) |
| 19:41.10 | cydork | !prize peterS |
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| 19:41.20 | iveqy | dasunt: my login preferens? Where do I find them? |
| 19:41.28 | dasunt | iveqy: chsh, looks like. |
| 19:41.42 | dasunt | Sorry, I'm using a bit of windows terminology, been working on that recently. |
| 19:41.48 | itrebal | peterS: its saying i might need to patch it for cramfs, is that still true on 2.6.17? |
| 19:41.52 | nvz | abrotman: my friend forse collected up those aol cds and glued them around his computer shop for decor.. shiny.. |
| 19:41.59 | uwe | abrotman, connecting to database failed, [fatal] mysql php libraries not installed |
| 19:42.15 | peterS | itrebal: no, for two reasons. one, cramfs should work fine already. two, it isn't needed for modern initrd generator systems |
| 19:42.18 | uwe | sorry, i had to type it, its on another remote X session |
| 19:42.29 | nvz | of course you wouldnt know it cause the shades are always drawn and the door is locked |
| 19:42.36 | itrebal | peterS: alright - thanks |
| 19:43.01 | abrotman | uwe: that's the actual PHP error ? |
| 19:43.05 | iveqy | peterS: I've got an strange error: chsh: [my username] not found in /etc/passwd |
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| 19:43.14 | abrotman | nvz: they'd make a great finish for an auto :) |
| 19:43.23 | peterS | iveqy: oh, then apparently your system administrator uses a system other than /etc/passwd for managing accounts |
| 19:43.32 | dasunt | iveqy: Odd. |
| 19:43.36 | peterS | iveqy: in which case, you'll probably have to get your shell changed manually |
| 19:43.42 | nvz | abrotman: would blind other drivers |
| 19:43.47 | abrotman | or use your .profile to start the other shell |
| 19:43.48 | peterS | iveqy: you can find out what scheme is used by 'grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf' |
| 19:43.52 | dasunt | iveqy: Did you type: 'chsh', nothing else? |
| 19:43.56 | iveqy | peterS: that's probably so... okey, to bad.. |
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| 19:44.07 | uwe | well, i looked up where this error is poped out in the php script and its just when the script tries to use mysql_connect, i dont know if this is the actual php error |
| 19:44.32 | peterS | iveqy: it will say something like 'passwd: files ldap', that would tell you that it first checks /etc/passwd then if you're not in there it consults some LDAP server |
| 19:44.32 | iveqy | peterS: it is nis |
| 19:44.42 | abrotman | uwe: which version of apache? |
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| 19:44.47 | uwe | 2.0 |
| 19:44.53 | uwe | abrotman, 2.0 |
| 19:45.06 | abrotman | uwe: grep mysql /etc/php/apache2/php.ini |
| 19:45.11 | chron | what does centos use to do init scripts? |
| 19:45.14 | dasunt | iveqy: Perhaps 'ypchsh' |
| 19:45.16 | chron | add del stuff off runlevel |
| 19:45.16 | iveqy | peterS: yes.. can I tell chsh to look somewhere else? |
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| 19:45.26 | blondie | chron: I thought this was #debian |
| 19:45.27 | chron | whats the tool that manages it? |
| 19:45.31 | chron | oh shit wrong chan lmao |
| 19:45.44 | dasunt | iveqy: Try: ypchsh |
| 19:45.45 | uwe | there is the extension=mysql.so line abrotman |
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| 19:45.51 | peterS | iveqy: try 'ypchsh' |
| 19:45.58 | knoxy | what the best free database to run ERP? |
| 19:45.58 | abrotman | uwe: is there a ";" at the beginning of the line ? |
| 19:46.04 | peterS | iveqy: it's the NIS (formerly known as YP) equivalent to chsh |
| 19:46.09 | lezard | Hi, anyone knows why lighttpd is not in etch anymore ? |
| 19:46.10 | itrebal | knoxy: ERP? |
| 19:46.13 | abrotman | knoxy: depends on the ERP system probably .. most have requirements |
| 19:46.15 | iveqy | dasunt: I did. "uknown user" |
| 19:46.19 | peterS | itrebal: enterprise resource planning |
| 19:46.25 | abrotman | peterS: could be samba ? |
| 19:46.26 | iveqy | peterS: okey |
| 19:46.33 | knoxy | abrotman, to high data volume |
| 19:46.42 | itrebal | ah |
| 19:46.55 | dasunt | ypchsh failed? |
| 19:47.04 | dasunt | Odd, that looks like what NIS uses. |
| 19:47.14 | peterS | knoxy: there's that one free software database engine actually written by SAP specifically for their ERP product, SAP R3 |
| 19:47.20 | uwe | no, its not commented abrotman |
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| 19:47.28 | cydork | lezard, /msg dpkg why lighthttpd is not in testing |
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| 19:47.54 | lezard | cydork, do you know why ? |
| 19:47.58 | cydork | s/lighthttpd/lighttpd/ |
| 19:48.00 | JordiGH | So I go to my sysadmin, I go to him, and I says, |
| 19:48.02 | abrotman | knoxy: that's not the point ... |
| 19:48.05 | knoxy | peterS, abrotman postgresql is a most recommend? |
| 19:48.11 | lezard | cydork, it was until last week |
| 19:48.12 | abrotman | uwe: is php4-mysql installed? |
| 19:48.16 | peterS | knoxy: postgres is what I'd most likely use |
| 19:48.17 | abrotman | knoxy: it depends on the ERP application |
| 19:48.19 | JordiGH | "Dude, I can't open some webpages. I can't open the SourceForge." |
| 19:48.27 | abrotman | knoxy: if you're writing your own .. i'd personally use postgres |
| 19:48.28 | JordiGH | And he answers me, he says, |
| 19:48.31 | cydork | !why lighttpd is not in testing |
| 19:48.31 | dpkg | lighttpd is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=lighttpd |
| 19:48.34 | ezu | I was wondering if someone could help me with an issue I am having with compiling the 2.4.33 kernel (also had it with the debian 2.4.27). It is erroring out on the pcmcia_char.o with unidentified reference's. Is there any way around this besides disabling the driver? |
| 19:48.46 | JordiGH | "Dude, the SourceForge blocks some operating systems like Debian. There's nothing I can do about it." |
| 19:48.50 | JordiGH | And I think to myself, I ponder, |
| 19:48.54 | lezard | cydork, ok, I'll have a look |
| 19:48.54 | JordiGH | "Dude, wtf?" |
| 19:49.52 | uwe | abrotman, yes, indeed |
| 19:50.10 | abrotman | uwe: use a phpinfo page to see if it's loaded |
| 19:50.23 | knoxy | abrotman, what problem I've using postgresql with most records table? |
| 19:50.24 | JordiGH | hamza: Hear, hear. :-) |
| 19:50.33 | abrotman | knoxy: with what? |
| 19:50.34 | peterS | JordiGH: he's probably getting his revenge for getting a user question like "I can't open the SourceForge" |
| 19:50.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:50.51 | hamza | Jordi esteu catala? |
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| 19:51.19 | peterS | Ubuntu is back |
| 19:51.26 | hamza | hehe |
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| 19:51.32 | muaddib | Question I have a the gigabyte 965 DS3 motherboard for some reason when it loads the piiix driver it doesn't see anything connected to it and I have 3 segate drives connected to it. These drives come up during the post of the bios but LINUX can't see them for some reason. I wanted to ask has anyone had a similar problem or is their something that I missed i.e a /proc setting |
| 19:51.53 | JordiGH | hamza: No, sorry. I have this name because of a Catalan great-grandfather, but I'm Mexican. |
| 19:51.54 | peterS | muaddib: are these ATA disks or SATA? |
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| 19:52.13 | hamza | SATA is difficult |
| 19:52.21 | blondie | SATA is easy on recent kernels |
| 19:52.24 | abrotman | muaddib: sarge installer ? |
| 19:52.25 | muaddib | peterS: they are SATA |
| 19:52.39 | JordiGH | peterS: Maybe I should retaliate by trashing his super-insecure Windows network. >:) |
| 19:52.40 | hamza | blondie :) |
| 19:52.51 | peterS | muaddib: instead of the piix driver, you want the ata-piix driver. and you may need a reasonably recent kernel, I'm not certain |
| 19:53.00 | muaddib | blondie: I am running 2.6.17.8 kernel |
| 19:53.02 | knoxy | abrotman, what kind of problem will I have inserting toomuch data into postgresql? performance? |
| 19:53.24 | abrotman | knoxy: well .. i'm not sure how you define too much .. pgsql is pretty damn good .. ask #postgresql for more info |
| 19:53.32 | peterS | muaddib: yes, I know, the name 'ata-piix' is a bit confusing, but it _is_ for SATA, unlike the piix driver |
| 19:53.38 | muaddib | peterS: This driver is going to be in the SCSI subsection correct? |
| 19:53.45 | peterS | muaddib: yes |
| 19:53.53 | abrotman | he compiled his own kernel .. maybe he messed up |
| 19:53.53 | peterS | so you'll need 'SCSI disk support' as well |
| 19:53.59 | peterS | abrotman: shocking |
| 19:54.08 | muaddib | abortman: Its possible but I doubt it |
| 19:54.11 | dasunt | Someone make this machine boot up faster. |
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| 19:54.14 | abrotman | ask #kernel |
| 19:54.27 | JordiGH | cydork: Not really, I don't. He doesn't have any usernames or permissions set up. It's possible to connect to the shared drive and do whatever you want on it. Our network works on the honour system. ;-) |
| 19:54.27 | abrotman | dasunt: overclock the BIOS ? :) |
| 19:54.29 | muaddib | peterS: I do have that already compiled(scsi disk support) as a module |
| 19:54.34 | hamza | does anyone know a command line irc client? I gotta close the x session. |
| 19:54.41 | itrebal | is there a way to have a kernel compilation utilize both processors? |
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| 19:54.46 | nvz | hamza: irssi-text |
| 19:54.51 | cydork | JordiGH, that's no fun ;) |
| 19:54.54 | nvz | hamza: the only irc client |
| 19:54.55 | JordiGH | hamza: I'm using BitchX, but people hate it. |
| 19:54.56 | peterS | muaddib: if it's a module you'll need an initrd. if it's compiled in, you won't. so I recommend compiling it in. you'll never _not_ want the module loaded, after all, so why bother to have it as a module? |
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| 19:55.09 | peterS | itrebal: make -j2 |
| 19:55.13 | *** part/#debian hamza (n=hamza@p54A7F6A3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:55.21 | itrebal | thanks |
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| 19:56.06 | JordiGH | Kopete 0.11? Isn't it supposed to max out at 0.9.999? :P |
| 19:56.18 | nvz | theres nothing cool about BX quit messages |
| 19:56.20 | muaddib | peterS: I have that configured as well (successfully) my main root partition is on my IDE disk which is connected to a PCI IDE controller(was not able to get the onbord IDE to work) so I am at the point of getting the SATA controller which seems to loads and shows that something is connected to the ports and this is displays when booting scsi disconnected.. something like that |
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| 19:56.32 | JordiGH | nvz: You're just jealous my quit messages are better than yours. |
| 19:56.57 | nvz | definatly not |
| 19:56.59 | peterS | JordiGH: no, if he were 14 that would be true, but he's considerably older |
| 19:57.00 | abrotman | you yeah .. error 213: Connection Reset |
| 19:57.04 | abrotman | erm .. oh yeah |
| 19:57.15 | jetx | my quit msg is coolest |
| 19:57.21 | JordiGH | Haters. Y'all are just haters. :P |
| 19:57.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:57.31 | abrotman | we love hating |
| 19:57.35 | abrotman | we hate loving |
| 19:58.03 | nvz | I dont like stickers, logo's, slogans, lables, memos..etc |
| 19:58.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, Microsoft ? |
| 19:58.09 | peterS | JordiGH: I actually don't hate bitchx quit messages specially. I think lots of quit messages are stupid, and that just happens to include all the bitchx ones. |
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| 19:58.23 | JordiGH | nvz: You're like that John Doe character in the JPod novel (Douglas Coupland). |
| 19:59.49 | amphi | JordiGH: everyone hates bitchx quit messages |
| 19:59.49 | *** join/#debian Smooph (n=wangweil@p54A756FB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:59.49 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
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| 19:59.50 | peterS | JordiGH: there's even an irssi script out there (cafuego.pl) to filter out bitchx quit messages specifically |
| 19:59.50 | dasunt | Bitchx! I'm an attention whore of a program! |
| 19:59.50 | itrebal | haha nice |
| 19:59.50 | peterS | written by, presumably, our very own cafuego_ |
| 19:59.56 | hjubal | hola |
| 20:00.05 | JordiGH | !es |
| 20:00.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:00.13 | nvz | its like that hearing the same old joke over and over. "why'd the chicken cross the road? he found out the chicken across the street was using BX and went over there to kill him" |
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| 20:00.26 | asg | JordiGH: he's coming from .it though |
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| 20:00.42 | itrebal | hah |
| 20:01.02 | hjubal | asg, JohnDoh sorry.. hello! |
| 20:01.13 | asg | hjubal: no worries, hiya |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 20:01.32 | dpkg | pubtime is, like, time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 20:01.47 | asg | abrotman: I'm already here at the pub |
| 20:01.59 | JordiGH | You're on a lappy at the pub? |
| 20:01.59 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:02.09 | asg | JordiGH: of course |
| 20:02.10 | abrotman | is the lappy attached to a cute girl ? |
| 20:02.12 | peterS | asg: hola isn't italian (: |
| 20:02.19 | JordiGH | abrotman: Ew. :P |
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| 20:02.23 | abrotman | peterS: tell that to JordiGH |
| 20:02.26 | asg | peterS: I know, Jordi did !es |
| 20:02.43 | jetx | hola asg, como esta? cual es su problema guey! (j/k) |
| 20:02.44 | asg | abrotman: will be here in a few minutes when mrs. asg shows up |
| 20:02.53 | abrotman | asg: you let her drink?! |
| 20:03.02 | JordiGH | jetx: That's nice, heh. Using formal form of address, but calling him "dude". :-) |
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| 20:03.10 | asg | jetx: gooey problems, nice |
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| 20:03.18 | jetx | my spanish sucks though |
| 20:03.19 | asg | abrotman: right on |
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| 20:03.51 | peterS | I hope jordi_ enjoyed his stay here |
| 20:03.53 | JordiGH | Hm... I can't see my own quit messages. I wonder if BitchX filters out its own quit messages. :P |
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| 20:04.07 | peterS | JordiGH: maybe someone ported cafuego.pl to bx and you're running it |
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| 20:04.38 | JordiGH | peterS: Heh. This is an OpenBSD source port of BitchX. Maybe it's patched, innoculated against itself. :-) |
| 20:04.44 | peterS | ha |
| 20:05.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 538] by debhelper |
| 20:05.09 | asg | JordiGH: it's probably chrooted and can't find its quitfile |
| 20:05.32 | JordiGH | asg: Hm, no I'm sshed. But can anyone else see the quit messages? |
| 20:05.33 | peterS | or maybe the openbsd ports dude was sensible enough to delete the quitfile |
| 20:05.53 | asg | JordiGH: from jordi_? No, just Client Quit here |
| 20:05.56 | JordiGH | When I quit the client, *I* do see a BitchX quit message. |
| 20:06.12 | JordiGH | Hah. So the quit messages are just for me now. :-) |
| 20:06.20 | peterS | that's as it should be! |
| 20:06.22 | JordiGH | Completely opposite of the innoculation. |
| 20:06.23 | asg | JordiGH: best private joke I've heard all day |
| 20:06.28 | mutante_ | its just a different quit message |
| 20:06.36 | mutante_ | one for quitting server,one for quitting client |
| 20:06.58 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 20:07.19 | mutante_ | i was guessing :p |
| 20:08.04 | tralala | JordiGH: just install irssi - it has superior nick tab completion |
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| 20:08.27 | tralala | and easier to access help system |
| 20:08.33 | JordiGH | tralala: I don't know wtf is wrong with this OpenBSD terminal, but I did try irssi, and it didn't have font colouring. |
| 20:08.33 | nvz | paste protection |
| 20:08.45 | JordiGH | tralala: But BitchX does have colours. *shrugs* |
| 20:08.46 | nvz | better window management |
| 20:08.51 | nvz | you could go on all day |
| 20:09.04 | nvz | irssi is the only irc client |
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| 20:09.16 | JordiGH | Ok, truth be told, I just like BitchX because then I can use the word "bitch" out of context. :-) |
| 20:09.17 | Tallu | < irssi |
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| 20:09.27 | tralala | 1rss1 is teh sh!t |
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| 20:10.04 | tralala | JordiGH: to call bitchx a bitch won't be out of context at all ;) |
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| 20:10.07 | peterS | JordiGH: colors? irssi has colors |
| 20:10.08 | asg | JordiGH: "my dog is a real bitch" (there you go) |
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| 20:10.21 | peterS | asg: or is a son of a bitch |
| 20:10.28 | asg | peterS: white and white |
| 20:10.35 | JordiGH | peterS: I know it does, but they won't display on this OpenBSD terminal. |
| 20:11.00 | asg | peterS: or that |
| 20:11.08 | tralala | JordiGH: one more reason to use debian |
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| 20:11.39 | JordiGH | It's not my choice to use OpenBSD. The sysadmin is a security freak. He often wears Puffy tee-shirts too. |
| 20:12.01 | peterS | JordiGH: nothing wrong with openbsd. I have a cat named Theo. |
| 20:12.10 | ezu | openbsd is good for security.. |
| 20:12.12 | mutante_ | how do the t-shirts affect security |
| 20:12.12 | peterS | Theo de Caadt. |
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| 20:12.26 | JordiGH | In fact, our network is so secure, that I can't connect to the SourceForge. |
| 20:12.34 | peterS | mutante_: puffy (a blowfish) is the openbsd mascot |
| 20:12.36 | dasunt | peterS: Isn't that Theo de Raadt? |
| 20:12.38 | JordiGH | (Well, I can, but I gotta ssh first to the OpenBSD servers.) |
| 20:12.52 | peterS | dasunt: no, you're thinking of the OpenBSD hacker, who is human. |
| 20:13.03 | dasunt | He is? I thought he was Canadian. |
| 20:13.10 | JordiGH | Hey! |
| 20:13.14 | JordiGH | Don't diss Canadians. |
| 20:13.19 | JordiGH | Unless you're South Park, or something. |
| 20:13.27 | peterS | I think he might actually be a Canadian Human. |
| 20:13.31 | dasunt | I grew up 100 miles from the Canuckistani border. |
| 20:13.32 | streuner | Theo is cool |
| 20:13.42 | dasunt | peterS: They don't make Canadian Humans, last time I checked. |
| 20:13.44 | mutante_ | peterS: ah,that "..in a hostile internet" poster with the other sharks and fish on it, i didnt know his name |
| 20:13.50 | asg | "Zaphod's just this guy, you know" |
| 20:13.54 | peterS | dasunt: this dude http://p12n.org/i/theo.jpg is not an OpenBSD hacker |
| 20:14.15 | mutante_ | why do people say "no one likes Theo"? |
| 20:14.21 | streuner | he said something critical against iraq war, they don't give him money anymore then... |
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| 20:14.43 | Wharf | Hi there |
| 20:14.48 | asg | people don't give 'him' money, they give money to OpenBSD. |
| 20:14.50 | JordiGH | !greet Wharf |
| 20:14.51 | dpkg | Welcome, Wharf |
| 20:15.03 | dasunt | peterS: You sure? Lets compare him to theo: Loves torturing less intelligent? Check. Tends to be hostile if offended? Check. Many people consider him to be batshit crazy? Check. |
| 20:15.04 | streuner | asg: gov. |
| 20:15.04 | Wharf | Is there a linux application capable of burning dmg files and uncompresing them |
| 20:15.08 | runix__ | hey :) does anyone knows if it's possible to set ifupdown to skip the default route in a DHCP interface? |
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| 20:15.21 | peterS | dasunt: my cat isn't crazy. he's aloof and he has personality issues. |
| 20:15.22 | JordiGH | What's dmg? |
| 20:15.34 | dasunt | peterS: Sounds like Theo de Raadt. |
| 20:15.35 | Wharf | DMG, it's a cd image |
| 20:15.36 | JordiGH | !tell runix__ about interfaces |
| 20:15.41 | Wharf | commonly used on macs |
| 20:15.45 | peterS | dasunt: see that's why he's named Theo de Caadt |
| 20:15.55 | dasunt | I think he's Theo de Raadt incognito! |
| 20:15.57 | dasunt | :p |
| 20:16.04 | peterS | dasunt: MY CAT IS NOT CANADIAN |
| 20:16.06 | uwe | abrotman, yes, mysql is working according to phpinfo |
| 20:16.07 | tralala | Wharf: I guess aptitude search ~ddmg should give you an idea |
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| 20:16.12 | dasunt | peterS: Did you check his papers? |
| 20:16.18 | dasunt | Perhaps he's not telling you something. |
| 20:16.20 | asg | peterS: you know he's aboot here somewhere |
| 20:16.25 | Wharf | tralala, i have no linux os running yet |
| 20:16.27 | JordiGH | "apt-cache search dmg" comes out empty. :-) |
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| 20:16.30 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 20:16.31 | peterS | dasunt: he's from a respectable lineage |
| 20:16.32 | mutante_ | DMG is Macintosh OS X Disk Copy Disk Image File |
| 20:16.41 | runix__ | JordiGH: do you know if the answer is there? I've read that before |
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| 20:16.54 | DanTH | anyone know how i can check if my kernel is running at 1000HZ ? |
| 20:16.57 | Wharf | Nero can burn dmg, but it never uncompresses |
| 20:16.59 | peterS | dasunt: though his mom is a bit trampy, i.e., we don't know who the dad is |
| 20:17.05 | dasunt | peterS: There might be hidden Canuckistani blood in him. Does he pronounce the last letter of the alphabet as 'zee'? |
| 20:17.10 | JordiGH | Is DMG is a free format? |
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| 20:17.18 | Wharf | Not sure |
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| 20:17.38 | mutante_ | dmg2iso |
| 20:17.38 | JordiGH | If it isn't... well, it's quite possible that it can't be burnt on GNU/Linux. :- |
| 20:17.40 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 20:17.47 | peterS | dasunt: I'll ask him |
| 20:17.57 | JordiGH | mutante_: Eh? Not a Debian package. |
| 20:18.03 | mutante_ | http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=dmg&Search=Search |
| 20:18.06 | Wharf | mutante_ cause it's compressed |
| 20:18.08 | Wharf | that fails |
| 20:18.09 | mutante_ | read the notes there |
| 20:18.23 | Wharf | tryed nero, magic iso, ultra iso,. iso buster |
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| 20:18.30 | mutante_ | "The DMG file also comes in different formats: HFS, HFS+, UFS, ProDOS, Linux, and Fat32 and so may also require special mounting software to account for the format." :O |
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| 20:18.43 | dasunt | peterS: Perhaps he's hiding it from you. He might be a terrorist Canuckistani. |
| 20:18.57 | dasunt | Check his water bowl, it might really be explosives. |
| 20:19.00 | uwe | on statement if(!function_exist('mysql_connect')), it insists that this function does not exist |
| 20:19.01 | mutante_ | "DMGs can be password-protected" |
| 20:19.14 | peterS | dasunt: he actually is hiding from me entirely right now. my apartment isn't huge, it should be possible to know where he is. so he may indeed have something to hide |
| 20:19.27 | Wharf | Yea, i know thhat stuff, but the DMG we have is compressed. |
| 20:19.27 | abrotman | uwe: did you try a phpinfo page to see if mysql support is there? |
| 20:19.33 | uwe | yes |
| 20:19.37 | abrotman | uwe: and it said ? |
| 20:19.39 | Wharf | those programs fail because of it |
| 20:19.45 | Wharf | only macs can uncompress |
| 20:19.47 | JordiGH | From Wikipedia: "A Free Java port of..." hehehe.... |
| 20:19.48 | uwe | abrotman, <?php phpinfo() ?> |
| 20:19.49 | mutante_ | call apple?:p |
| 20:19.54 | Wharf | dunno if linux had somthing windows didn't though |
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| 20:20.00 | dasunt | peterS: He's onto you. Don't go to sleep until you've neutralized him. |
| 20:20.03 | abrotman | uwe: no .. the output of the page .. what did it say about mysql? :) |
| 20:20.13 | abrotman | uwe: can i access it from the intarweb ? |
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| 20:20.19 | JordiGH | Wharf: What's the compression algorithm? It's not just zip? |
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| 20:20.24 | mutante_ | Wharf: install Mac OS X in VMWare ?:p |
| 20:20.40 | tralala | Wharf: the support for non-standard, propriarity stuff (shit?) in linux is very limited |
| 20:20.42 | peterS | dasunt: I neutralised him a year and a half ago. he will sire no canucks. anyway, I just found him, but I can't get him to say either zee or zed. |
| 20:20.44 | Wharf | mutante_, wont work. |
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| 20:20.53 | Jenkens | hum |
| 20:20.53 | Wharf | thats what i'm attempign to do |
| 20:20.59 | uwe | abrotman, its on a local network , sorry, no real ip |
| 20:21.06 | Wharf | in the dmg image is the osx |
| 20:21.08 | Jenkens | well i got fail2ban installed, and it bans the ip i'm testing with.. yet i can still establish connections... |
| 20:21.14 | abrotman | uwe: ok ... so if you use the phpinfo page .. what does it say about mysql support ? |
| 20:21.16 | Jenkens | isn't that odd. |
| 20:21.20 | JordiGH | Wharf: Wikipedia says .dmg files are often compressed with zip or bzip2. Both of those compression algorithms are available in GNU/Linux. |
| 20:21.24 | uwe | but it says what version is used and that moduletype is external |
| 20:21.27 | mutante_ | Wharf: ask a Mac User on IRC to convert for you? |
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| 20:22.10 | uwe | ill put it on a pastebin |
| 20:22.21 | dasunt | peterS: He doesn't want you to find out. |
| 20:22.25 | abrotman | uwe: also paste `dpkg -l *php* |
| 20:22.51 | Wharf | muaddib, this iso is in a channel full of mac users, they can burn it to dvd, but, can't convert it to iso |
| 20:23.11 | Wharf | keeps breaking it |
| 20:23.11 | Wharf | hehe |
| 20:23.12 | peterS | JordiGH: the correct term is Two Minutes Hate |
| 20:23.12 | Jenkens | why would that be? |
| 20:24.03 | zenwryly | I need to migrate my debian installation from one laptop to a nearly identical one. I was thinking of booting the existing laptop into single user mode, booting the new one with a cd, and copying the entire drive drive over the network. The question is, how should I do the copy? Is there a way to stream a tar operation over a network link that would presever all permissions and such? |
| 20:24.04 | abrotman | mmm .. presever |
| 20:24.10 | tralala | zenwryly: yes tar + netcat |
| 20:24.13 | JordiGH | argh. I hate these ads that look like Windows dialogues and try to trick you to click on them. |
| 20:24.14 | dasunt | zenwryly: netcat. |
| 20:24.17 | zenwryly | tralala: ah! nifty |
| 20:24.20 | zenwryly | thanks |
| 20:24.29 | mutante_ | Wharf: somebody should try the dmg2iso tool then |
| 20:24.36 | dasunt | You can pipe the two together, if need be. |
| 20:24.49 | epsilon | arg, the dependency list of syscp sux |
| 20:24.52 | tralala | zenwryly: make sure to *not* copy /proc,/sys and /dev (if you use udev) |
| 20:24.57 | Wharf | mutante_, already been tested, it fails |
| 20:25.00 | Wharf | hehe |
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| 20:25.24 | uwe | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/773470 |
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| 20:25.32 | tralala | zenwryly: well, on a second thought you might want to copy /dev anyhow |
| 20:25.40 | Jenkens | ahh nevermind |
| 20:25.57 | mutante_ | Wharf: does "file bla.dmg" tell you any details about the compression used? |
| 20:26.05 | abrotman | uwe: eh .. uh .. |
| 20:26.09 | zenwryly | tralala: yeah |
| 20:26.18 | JordiGH | Well... there's this: http://www.typhontools.cjb.net/dmgx |
| 20:26.20 | abrotman | uwe: where'd you get mysql5 and php5 ? |
| 20:26.34 | abrotman | uwe: when using phpinfo() .. which version of php is it using ? |
| 20:26.35 | JordiGH | With the annoying Windows-targetting ad. |
| 20:26.55 | JordiGH | mutante_: Does MacOS X have the file command? |
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| 20:27.09 | uwe | 4.4.2 |
| 20:27.15 | mutante_ | JordiGH: i dont know, but since i heard its all FreeBSD based ... |
| 20:27.24 | dasunt | How many times have I booted this damn sparc today? |
| 20:27.29 | uwe | abrotman, im using debian etch on a 64 bit xion |
| 20:27.31 | peterS | seven. |
| 20:27.36 | dasunt | Feels like it. |
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| 20:27.46 | tralala | JordiGH: even if it doesn't installing it shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:27.50 | mitja | How do I remove a module from kernel, that is in use and can't remove it momentarily? |
| 20:27.50 | dasunt | Now its going through the whole spinning up each drive individually. |
| 20:27.53 | abrotman | uwe: etch doesn't have php4 any more i don't htink |
| 20:27.54 | dasunt | Its on sdf. |
| 20:27.56 | abrotman | !info php4 etch |
| 20:27.58 | dasunt | The last drive is sdt. |
| 20:28.01 | JordiGH | Oh, it's FreeBSD specifically? I didn't think it was tied to any one BSD. |
| 20:28.03 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 20:28.08 | uwe | well, its there in the repositories!! |
| 20:28.10 | mutante_ | whats the difference between something like PHP: 4.4.3-0.dotdeb.0 and a "regular" PHP, or what is "dotdeb" ? |
| 20:28.10 | abrotman | uh .. stupid meta package |
| 20:28.18 | peterS | JordiGH: Jordan Hubbard works for Apple, figure it out (: |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | !info php4-mysql etch |
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| 20:28.24 | dpkg | php4-mysql: (MySQL module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 20:28.26 | abrotman | and he has cats |
| 20:28.43 | peterS | see, that part I didn't know |
| 20:28.43 | abrotman | i thought they'd removed it |
| 20:28.43 | JordiGH | Jordan Hubbard has cats? |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | peterS: a friend of mine used to be very active in darwin |
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| 20:29.21 | abrotman | uwe: paste your /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 20:29.26 | dasunt | sdj now. |
| 20:29.31 | peterS | abrotman: the whole thing about taking freebsd, which works very well on its own, and layering it on top of mach, just seems really wtf. other than that, I don't mind darwin |
| 20:29.36 | dasunt | I need a time machine. |
| 20:29.52 | uwe | ok abrotman , 1 min |
| 20:29.54 | Fluten | can nfs be used over the internet, or is this unsafe? |
| 20:30.08 | mutante_ | there is sshfs |
| 20:30.12 | Fluten | i have a server on the internet, and would like to have a way to mount it locally |
| 20:30.12 | abrotman | peterS: mach on its own is a wtf :) |
| 20:30.30 | peterS | Fluten: if you're just serving a filesystem with anonymous read-only access, nfs is just as safe as ftp |
| 20:30.31 | abrotman | shfs |
| 20:30.34 | Fluten | mutante_, thanks, ill try sshfs |
| 20:30.43 | JordiGH | Is this the GNU Mach microkernel? |
| 20:30.50 | uwe | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/773477 |
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| 20:31.06 | peterS | JordiGH: it's the CMU Mach microkernel. GNU's version is a fork of that. |
| 20:31.09 | JordiGH | No, can't be. They can't use GNU software like that in the Mac, can they? |
| 20:31.17 | tralala | Fluten: it's fine if you have nothing to hide |
| 20:31.22 | peterS | JordiGH: I don't know, offhand, whether Apple used the original one or the GNU version |
| 20:31.36 | uwe | abrotman, its strange, isn't it |
| 20:31.41 | peterS | though I suspect it's not the GNU one, since Apple was using it before GNU was. |
| 20:31.44 | JordiGH | peterS: Must be the original one. |
| 20:31.49 | Fluten | i was thinking of using it to modify my fs |
| 20:31.52 | JordiGH | peterS: For licensing issues. |
| 20:31.58 | Fluten | which would probably be not so safe |
| 20:32.05 | peterS | (OS X is not the first Apple OS to use Mach. they already did A/UX and NeXTstep) |
| 20:32.09 | abrotman | uwe: uncomment the first "extension=mysql.so" .. i'm not sure how the php engine parses config elements. . but that might need to be uncommented before the rest of the mysql options |
| 20:32.11 | mutante_ | you may ask on #gnu ,they always get the lawyer questions,too ;) |
| 20:32.28 | JordiGH | Oh, really? |
| 20:32.34 | peterS | (ok, so NeXTstep is not technically Apple, but it's still the purview of Stevejobsland) |
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| 20:32.39 | dasunt | I've ran into problems with MacOS X rsh/rlogin before. |
| 20:32.47 | dasunt | The binary doesn't match the man page. |
| 20:32.51 | dasunt | Which is cute. |
| 20:32.51 | abrotman | peterS: technically nextstep wasn't apple |
| 20:32.52 | JordiGH | I had a question about OpenKiosk recently. OpenKiosk seems to be violating the GPL with its Windows version. I'll ask in #gnu. :-) |
| 20:33.01 | peterS | abrotman: yes but it's still in stevejobsland |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | peterS: it is |
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| 20:33.36 | tralala | Fluten: again if you don't mind the data you put there too much it could be ok. In the worst case a script kiddie will erase it. |
| 20:33.41 | peterS | abrotman: and Steve Jobs is venerated as a saint or a minor deity, I'm not sure which, amongst Apple fans. so that should count. |
| 20:33.51 | abrotman | peterS: he's the devil! |
| 20:34.03 | abrotman | woz is god! |
| 20:34.05 | peterS | abrotman: you say that just because he picked BSD |
| 20:34.05 | uwe | abrotman, which one, i can find only one uncommented! |
| 20:34.14 | uwe | ok, uncomment |
| 20:34.15 | abrotman | uwe: there are two |
| 20:34.15 | uwe | one min |
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| 20:34.16 | uwe | sorry |
| 20:34.27 | abrotman | uwe: line 539 |
| 20:34.28 | cydork | abrotman, i thought bill gates was the devil :) |
| 20:34.41 | peterS | which one of them went down to Georgia? |
| 20:34.43 | peterS | that should settle it |
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| 20:34.53 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure jobs is the soul stealer |
| 20:34.56 | knoth | doubt: in which directory i can find the 'data' directory, responsable to save mysql files? |
| 20:34.58 | nvz | GWB is the devil.. and makes bill gates look like a saint |
| 20:35.05 | tralala | cydork: perhaps he (the devil) has a split personality ;) |
| 20:35.22 | cydork | tralala, hehhe |
| 20:35.27 | abrotman | peterS: honestly .. can you see gates playing a fiddle? |
| 20:35.32 | JordiGH | Y'know what I really hate? The Gates Foundation. I fear the geek, even when he brings gift. |
| 20:35.34 | tralala | oh, make that multiple personalities :) |
| 20:35.41 | peterS | abrotman: Ballmer, maybe |
| 20:36.00 | JordiGH | peterS: Is that "I'm going to fucking kill Google" Ballmer? |
| 20:36.06 | abrotman | peterS: he strikes me as a cello kind of guy :) |
| 20:36.20 | uwe | abrotman, did it, restarted apache, same problem, but you know what abrotman , this php scrip is not run by apache in the first place!!, its run on the shell!! |
| 20:36.34 | abrotman | uwe: i'm gonna smack you!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:36.54 | nvz | paperslap him. |
| 20:37.00 | abrotman | uwe: in your /etc/php4/cli/php.ini .. is extension=mysql.so uncommented ? |
| 20:37.08 | cydork | uwe, run, i think he means it :) |
| 20:37.10 | uwe | yes |
| 20:37.23 | uwe | its uncommented |
| 20:37.35 | uwe | i uncommented it |
| 20:37.40 | abrotman | i could use a tiny piece of paper to make him slip |
| 20:37.45 | abrotman | uwe: just now ? |
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| 20:37.52 | uwe | now, when you told me |
| 20:37.58 | uwe | s/now/no |
| 20:38.01 | abrotman | uwe: paste the /etc/php4/cli/php.ini |
| 20:38.10 | uwe | cli |
| 20:38.11 | uwe | ouch |
| 20:38.13 | uwe | shit |
| 20:38.13 | abrotman | uwe: ugh .. worse still |
| 20:38.24 | abrotman | uwe: you have php5-cli installed |
| 20:38.48 | knoth | doubt: in which directory i can find the 'data' directory, responsable to save mysql files? |
| 20:38.56 | tralala | is there a way to scroll up the irssi buffer besides pgup? |
| 20:38.56 | abrotman | uwe: so .. check /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
| 20:39.04 | abrotman | PageUp |
| 20:39.10 | uwe | abrotman, ok , i think i just understood the issue ... :) stuped me ... one min |
| 20:39.17 | abrotman | stupid ? |
| 20:39.38 | JordiGH | tralala: Scroll the xterm or term instead? shift+pageup? |
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| 20:40.01 | tralala | my PageUp key is not working |
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| 20:40.10 | JordiGH | tralala: Shit arrow up? |
| 20:40.13 | JordiGH | Er, shift. |
| 20:40.15 | peterS | JordiGH: won't work |
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| 20:40.32 | tralala | oh, and I'm not using xterm |
| 20:40.35 | abrotman | JordiGH: btw .. you're never allowed to use the bathroom in my house |
| 20:40.49 | dasunt | 15:39: The 6000 has powered applied to it. |
| 20:40.56 | JordiGH | abrotman: Oh, come off it. Just a little typo. :-) |
| 20:41.34 | mutante_ | likes or dislikes for dotdeb.org and using their packages? |
| 20:41.38 | Tallu | ethereal: its wireshark now :P |
| 20:41.45 | abrotman | clearly they did not have programming in mind when they put the " next to the enter key |
| 20:41.49 | ethereal | I know :P |
| 20:41.51 | peterS | tralala: there is a /sb (/scrollback) command which lets you go to various places, like '/sb home' or '/sb end' or '/sb goto NN:NN' |
| 20:42.16 | peterS | tralala: also note that /clear has a side effect of /sb end |
| 20:42.18 | JordiGH | Heh, cute. Perelman refused the Fields medal and probably will refuse the million dollar prize money too. I love these maladjusted mathematicians. :-) |
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| 20:42.21 | Guerin | mutante_: i ran their woody packages for at least a year without a single problem |
| 20:42.28 | Guerin | mutante_: for php/mysql |
| 20:42.38 | nvz | abrotman: I got a GE (General Electric) keyboard on here.. I bought for like $5.. its got the \ key under the enter key instead of on top.. that pisses me off really bad |
| 20:42.49 | abrotman | nvz: i've seen those |
| 20:42.58 | abrotman | nvz: tthey're made for canucks :) |
| 20:43.14 | nvz | abrotman: yeah with their flapping heads |
| 20:43.16 | Jenkens | hrmmm |
| 20:43.24 | mutante_ | Guerin: PHP 4.4.3-0.dotdeb.0 MySQL 4.1.11-Debian_4sarge5-log <-anything bad about that? |
| 20:43.35 | mutante_ | security-wise |
| 20:43.56 | abrotman | !dotdeb |
| 20:43.57 | dpkg | from memory, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 20:44.05 | jelly-home | php 4.4.4 is out, probablt not packaged yet |
| 20:44.14 | uwe | abrotman, thank you very much for your time! im sorry for frustrating you :D its working now :) |
| 20:44.16 | JordiGH | Or the L-shaped enter key and the backslash key moved to a tiny, inconvenient position on the keyboard. Don't they know how important the backslash is for LaTeX? |
| 20:44.17 | nvz | I gotta go cook something before I get any more tired or I just wont eat tonight :P |
| 20:44.21 | Guerin | mutante_: read what I said again: I vouche for the general quality of the packages, not those specific packages |
| 20:44.22 | abrotman | uwe: what did you do? |
| 20:44.25 | tralala | peterS: thanks |
| 20:44.45 | uwe | i installed php4-cli :) and then dpkg-reconfigure php4-mysql |
| 20:44.50 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:45.13 | uwe | i didnt understand the cli/apache diffrence :) |
| 20:45.23 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha .. yeah .. it happens |
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| 20:45.28 | nvz | laziness is a side-effect of hunger.. its a slippery slope :P |
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| 20:45.38 | mutante_ | Guerin: ok,i did |
| 20:45.45 | uwe | i dont know how.. but i never thought about php in cli :) |
| 20:45.47 | abrotman | uwe: enjoy |
| 20:46.42 | dasunt | JordiGH: People still use latex? |
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| 20:46.44 | mutante_ | i use it for shell scripts :p |
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| 20:46.54 | dasunt | Damn, next you'll be telling me that people care about typographical style. |
| 20:46.54 | peterS | abrotman: you mean as much as one _can_ enjoy PHP? |
| 20:46.56 | JordiGH | dasunt: All the time. Everything we do is in LaTeX. |
| 20:47.01 | JordiGH | Oh.. |
| 20:47.04 | abrotman | peterS: i'm coding some right now |
| 20:47.04 | JordiGH | Never mind. :P |
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| 20:47.05 | dasunt | JordiGH: But, but, powerpoint! |
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| 20:47.14 | JordiGH | dasunt: Don't make me smack you. ;-) |
| 20:47.25 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 20:47.28 | dasunt | If you need to exaggerate your accomplishments, powerpoint is the way to go. |
| 20:47.31 | abrotman | peterS: i was doing it before it was fashionable :) |
| 20:47.31 | JordiGH | !greet DaBlade |
| 20:47.31 | DaBlade | During bootup, I see "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver" load. It takes about five seconds to load. |
| 20:47.32 | dpkg | Nihao, DaBlade |
| 20:47.34 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- what is 300kbps = to in bytes? Like if I were downloading at 300kbps how many k/sec would that be? |
| 20:47.38 | cydork | dasunt, dont tell me that you are comparing powerpint to latex |
| 20:47.41 | DaBlade | Is it possible to remove that? |
| 20:47.43 | dasunt | SexyKen: Divide by 8. |
| 20:47.53 | DaBlade | I'm not gonna use IPv6 any time in the forseeable future. |
| 20:47.58 | dasunt | cydork: Powerpoint is far superior, if your goal is to put in filler. |
| 20:47.59 | JordiGH | SexyKen: Divide by 8. |
| 20:48.00 | DaBlade | Hey, JordiGH :) |
| 20:48.37 | DaBlade | So does anyone know? |
| 20:48.44 | JordiGH | I really wonder if they still quote speeds at kilobits instead of kilobytes just as a marketing trick or if there is a genuine reason for it. |
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| 20:48.55 | jelly-home | DaBlade: which kernel, 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 20:48.57 | abrotman | i think you guys mean multiply by 8 |
| 20:48.59 | DaBlade | Sysinfo for 'RazorBlade': Linux 2.6.16-1-k7 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ at 1920 MHz (3847 bogomips), HD: 47/180GB, RAM: 466/1011MB, 101 proc's, 3.12min up |
| 20:49.01 | DaBlade | ^ |
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| 20:49.11 | peterS | abrotman: no, we don't |
| 20:49.26 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, eight bits in a byte. If you have the speed in kilobits/sec, divide by 8 to get kilobytes per sec. |
| 20:49.38 | tralala | !confuse abrotman |
| 20:49.38 | dpkg | No, who are my pants yesterday, abrotman? wellies of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cream |
| 20:49.41 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. i thought he wanted bytes per second .. oh well |
| 20:49.49 | DaBlade | jelly-home: Well? |
| 20:50.03 | dasunt | cydork: Note how Microsoft keeps delaying Vista. Note how they also use powerpoint. Coincidence? I think not. |
| 20:50.06 | JordiGH | This is, of course, that a kilobit is 1024 and not 1000. |
| 20:50.07 | jelly-home | DaBlade: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, comment out "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" and put "alias net-pf-10 off", reboot |
| 20:50.07 | peterS | abrotman: yeah then you'd have to divide-by-8-multiply-by-1024, or multiply by 128 for short |
| 20:50.15 | JordiGH | assuming that... |
| 20:50.18 | abrotman | silly math majors :) |
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| 20:50.21 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 20:50.27 | DaBlade | jelly-home: I can reboot later of course, right? |
| 20:50.32 | jelly-home | DaBlade: yes. |
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| 20:50.37 | DaBlade | :) |
| 20:50.53 | jelly-home | DaBlade: ipv6 module cannot be unloaded, that's why the reboot is required. |
| 20:51.18 | jelly-home | DaBlade: I think this could be done with blacklisting the module too, but I haven't tried it. |
| 20:51.25 | dasunt | I only use latex for threatening letters. |
| 20:51.31 | kminor | hahaha |
| 20:51.35 | dasunt | The professional looking layout is worth it. |
| 20:51.43 | kminor | nice |
| 20:51.57 | peterS | dasunt: how do you physically cut and paste letters from magazines and newspapers, using latex? |
| 20:51.57 | DaBlade | jelly-home: I figured |
| 20:52.00 | dasunt | Really, the last time I used latex was for an ambulance company that was trying to garnish my tax return for a bill. |
| 20:52.02 | zenwryly | Anyone know where I can get jigdo, bittorrent, or iso files of unstable? |
| 20:52.08 | JordiGH | Heh. I do write my letters in LaTeX, I admit. :-) |
| 20:52.10 | dasunt | I was a tad pissed, since I payed the bill a year before. |
| 20:52.13 | abrotman | zenwryly: you can't |
| 20:52.17 | dasunt | Er, paid. |
| 20:52.23 | cydork | dasunt, i have used latex for many reports in my masters and nothing comes closer to that.. |
| 20:52.32 | JordiGH | zenwryly: Get the etch netinst cd and then put unstable sources in your sources.list |
| 20:52.42 | zenwryly | abrotman: I thought there were snapshots somewhere? |
| 20:52.46 | DaBlade | jelly-home: Does it matter where I put alias net-pf-10 off? |
| 20:52.49 | zenwryly | JordiGH: ok, thanks |
| 20:52.50 | kminor | I've spent a hell of a lot of time configuring fedora on this laptop....if only i woulda installed debian ;) |
| 20:53.05 | jelly-home | DaBlade: probably not |
| 20:53.09 | JordiGH | !beer kminor |
| 20:53.20 | abrotman | zenwryly: there used to be .. |
| 20:53.23 | tralala | DaBlade: no, as long as it's inside /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 20:53.24 | JordiGH | Sucking up to Debian is a fine strategy for chatting in #debian. |
| 20:53.32 | zenwryly | JordiGH: where are there etch netinst cd images? |
| 20:53.36 | zenwryly | JordiGH: I can't find them |
| 20:53.39 | zenwryly | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 20:53.41 | jelly-home | DaBlade: but since you have to delete it from .../aliases, might as well put it there. |
| 20:53.43 | abrotman | !d-i zenwryly |
| 20:53.43 | dpkg | zenwryly, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:53.46 | abrotman | erm .. no |
| 20:53.47 | DaBlade | tralala, jelly-home: Thanks |
| 20:53.49 | abrotman | !tell zenwryly about d-i |
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| 20:54.05 | nvz | you dont have to suck up to debian, you just have to avoid certain conversational landmines |
| 20:54.06 | DaBlade | jelly-home: I see some more there I don't need, like appletalk |
| 20:54.12 | DaBlade | jelly-home: Those are safe to remove too I assume? |
| 20:54.23 | JordiGH | Anyone remember these? http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/graphics/vt100.jpg |
| 20:54.41 | jelly-home | DaBlade: yes, but I don't think they're loaded at boot so it probably doesn't matter. |
| 20:54.41 | JordiGH | I have a microwave oven that looks like that. |
| 20:54.53 | DaBlade | ok |
| 20:54.55 | zenwryly | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:55.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: that particular one .. or just anything like that ? |
| 20:55.02 | nvz | you dont tell your new girlfriend's mother she looks like your ex wife, or that her little sister looks like your youngest daughter .. |
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| 20:55.09 | DaBlade | jelly-home: atm means automatic teller machine? |
| 20:55.15 | JordiGH | abrotman: Something like that. :-) |
| 20:55.25 | JordiGH | DaBlade: wtf atm |
| 20:55.26 | struct | what does ABM mean? |
| 20:55.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: when i was at uni (not that long ago) we still had a few terminals lying about |
| 20:55.36 | DaBlade | JordiGH: alias net-pf-8 atm |
| 20:55.36 | JordiGH | DaBlade: aptitude install bsdgames if necessary. :-) |
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| 20:55.44 | jelly-home | DaBlade: I didn't say atm recently. Might have been "at the moment", depending on context. |
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| 20:55.55 | DaBlade | jelly-home: No, not that |
| 20:55.57 | DaBlade | jelly-home: alias net-pf-8 atm |
| 20:56.05 | tralala | DaBlade: modinfo atm |
| 20:56.09 | jelly-home | DaBlade: that's not used commonly. |
| 20:56.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: They look painful.. |
| 20:56.34 | DaBlade | modinfo: could not find module atm |
| 20:56.38 | abrotman | JordiGH: i loved the Wyse orange terminal |
| 20:56.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: it was hooked to an AIX .. then a Solaris box |
| 20:56.54 | DaBlade | jelly-home: I know, but I figured maybe it was something other than automatic teller machine, and in which case, I should leave it alone. |
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| 20:57.10 | DaBlade | But if it is automatic teller machine, to hell with it. :) |
| 20:57.12 | struct | abrotman: send me some corn |
| 20:57.16 | tralala | oh, I guess it's built-in then |
| 20:57.21 | jelly-home | DaBlade: asynchronous transfer mode, was used for WANs. You probably don't need it. |
| 20:57.30 | abrotman | struct: i just turned down corn all weekend .. but i had two lobster dinners :) |
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| 20:57.39 | DaBlade | jelly-home: I'll leave it anyway. |
| 20:58.31 | jelly-home | DaBlade: I'd just cut ipv6 and leave the rest, those poor unused network protocols don't hurt anyone. |
| 20:58.34 | peterS | DaBlade: ATM used to be used for corporate backbone networks, but Gigabit Ethernet was so much cheaper it killed it. It's still used for telecom applications, such as ADSL. nowadays the only thing you have that uses ATM is probably your ADSL modem. |
| 20:58.35 | Mitja | Is ipv6 module enabled in kernel to load at boot in Etch initially from instalation? |
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| 20:59.07 | bulio_ | How can I tell if my NIC card is running full duplex or half duplex? |
| 20:59.09 | DaBlade | peterS: I'm connected to my modem via my router |
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| 20:59.18 | DaBlade | Anyway, I'm just removing ipv6 and appletalk, nothing else. |
| 20:59.29 | DaBlade | oh, and bluetooth |
| 20:59.43 | eonox | how do i search for a string in vi? |
| 20:59.52 | tralala | eonox: /string |
| 20:59.56 | peterS | DaBlade: yeah, if you plug a DSL modem into your computer via USB, you'll need ATM support. but if you're connected through Ethernet or 802.11, you don't. |
| 21:00.10 | DaBlade | I'm leaving it none the less. |
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| 21:00.22 | DaBlade | The real bugger was IPv6 since it added five seconds to bootup time |
| 21:00.38 | Guerin | oo, 5 seconds every month |
| 21:00.42 | Guerin | that's terrible |
| 21:00.43 | peterS | DaBlade: I dunno, 5 second six times a year doesn't seem too serious |
| 21:00.44 | jelly-home | DaBlade: and it probably slowed down DNS lookups too. |
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| 21:00.58 | ezu | month? six times a year? geese you all reboot a lot |
| 21:00.59 | tralala | peterS: oh, so one needs atm to use adsl usb modems? That's good to know. |
| 21:01.06 | peterS | ezu: yeah, power failures |
| 21:01.15 | Guerin | ezu: well, *I* don't, but I'nm allowing that other people might |
| 21:01.28 | DaBlade | Thanks for the help peterS, jelly-home, tralala and whoever else might have helped. :) |
| 21:01.34 | Guerin | i don't think usb modems are even supported in linux |
| 21:01.36 | Tallu | next time im rebooting is when im getting the ups in place |
| 21:01.44 | peterS | tralala: yes, _if_ you can use the USB interface at all. only certain chipsets are supported, not nearly all of the ones on the market |
| 21:01.44 | Guerin | but that was months ago that I looked... |
| 21:01.44 | dasunt | Guerin: I thoguht one or two were. |
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| 21:01.54 | abrotman | Guerin: the speedtouch is |
| 21:01.55 | MustangMatt | ATM is low latency isn't it? |
| 21:02.00 | jelly-home | Guerin: at least some usb dsl ones are. |
| 21:02.03 | peterS | MustangMatt: yes. that's its biggest strength. |
| 21:02.06 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 21:02.08 | abrotman | !speedtouch usb |
| 21:02.08 | dpkg | from memory, speedtouch usb is http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/ |
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| 21:02.20 | JarJarBinks | if I want to grep lines with either foo or bar, from a file how do I do that "grep -e foo|bar file" does not work, and I can't figure out how the PATTERN should look like from "man grep" |
| 21:02.29 | peterS | JarJarBinks: grep -e foo -e bar |
| 21:02.35 | uwe | abrotman, thank you again :) ive got everything working now like a charm :D |
| 21:02.37 | JarJarBinks | peterS: great thanks |
| 21:02.43 | abrotman | uwe: you're welcome .. have a nice day |
| 21:02.51 | jelly-home | JarJarBinks: put 'foo|bar' in quotes, pipe has a special meaning for the shell |
| 21:02.53 | peterS | JarJarBinks: alternatively you can use grep -E (aka egrep) with 'foo\|bar' |
| 21:03.15 | JarJarBinks | what a bunch of great info thanks jelly-home and peterS |
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| 21:03.18 | sponzor | how to see mail? |
| 21:03.21 | sponzor | when i log in to root |
| 21:03.24 | sponzor | it says you have mail |
| 21:03.26 | sponzor | how to see it? |
| 21:03.32 | abrotman | use .. 'mail' |
| 21:03.34 | cydork | sponzor, type mail |
| 21:03.37 | peterS | sponzor: with a mail reader. mutt is the one I use. |
| 21:03.56 | peterS | I mean how do you read any other email? right, same idea. |
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| 21:04.00 | abrotman | yay yahoo news "Elephants Do Run, Study Concludes" |
| 21:04.11 | cydork | peterS, i love pine but you have to build it |
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| 21:04.14 | struct | abrotman: did they have claws? |
| 21:04.17 | sponzor | >N 1 root@VR6 Sun Aug 20 16:00 32/1036 Tiger Auditing Report for VR6 |
| 21:04.19 | sponzor | what now? |
| 21:04.22 | bulio_ | how would I create a tar file of a dir? |
| 21:04.34 | peterS | cydork: loving pine is a sign of not having tried mutt (: or, at least, not giving yourself time to get used to mutt.... |
| 21:04.44 | struct | bulio_: tar -cvzf directory.tar.gz directory/ |
| 21:04.45 | paladinhugo | bulio_: tar cvf file.tar dir |
| 21:04.49 | bulio_ | thanks |
| 21:04.54 | jelly-home | JarJarBinks: err, my info was incomplet, like peterS says you'll need egrep or grep -E for 'foo|bar' to work. |
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| 21:05.03 | abrotman | struct: yes .. of course |
| 21:05.04 | peterS | why are you all recommending the v flag to tar? it adds lots of verbiage of little point |
| 21:05.08 | cydork | peterS, i tried mutt few times but keep going back to pine :) |
| 21:05.12 | sponzor | ah i got it |
| 21:05.14 | struct | abrotman: our lobsters dont have claws |
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| 21:05.21 | abrotman | struct: those are called fish |
| 21:05.32 | peterS | my mother is a fish |
| 21:05.33 | JarJarBinks | jelly-home: ok, I couldn't make it work with -E :), but removing the backslash help :) |
| 21:05.38 | paladinhugo | bulio_: tar cvf creates a tar, while tar cvzf creates a tar and zips it |
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| 21:05.53 | peterS | paladinhugo: why the v flag? it spews out all kinds of garbage you don't need |
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| 21:05.58 | struct | abrotman: no |
| 21:06.02 | jelly-home | JarJarBinks: yes, either use quotes or backslash, but not both at the same time. |
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| 21:06.05 | struct | abrotman: they are called spiney lobster |
| 21:06.09 | struct | abrotman: http://www.vifishandwildlife.com/Education/FactSheet/Images/Lobster.jpg |
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| 21:06.19 | dasunt | Remember when I said at 15:39 that the 6000 had power applied to it? It is now 16:04, and I finally got a boot login. |
| 21:06.20 | paladinhugo | peterS: just to check what's happening |
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| 21:06.29 | abrotman | struct: i know .. i was joking |
| 21:06.36 | struct | abrotman: oh ok |
| 21:06.38 | peterS | dasunt: you should fsck less often |
| 21:06.43 | abrotman | struct: these were actually good lobster .. not the crap you guys eat |
| 21:06.51 | struct | abrotman: pppfffttt |
| 21:07.00 | struct | abrotman: if only you knew what ours tastes like |
| 21:07.03 | tralala | JarJarBinks: you have the folloing options: a) egrep 'foo|bar'; b) egrep foo\|bar; c) grep 'foo\|bar' (not so sure here) |
| 21:07.06 | dasunt | That's without fsck. |
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| 21:07.15 | abrotman | struct: i do .. i've had them |
| 21:07.19 | peterS | tralala: no, grep and egrep are different, c) won't work |
| 21:07.26 | peterS | tralala: that's why they have different names |
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| 21:07.34 | struct | abrotman: ok then you know ours is the best |
| 21:07.39 | abrotman | eh .. not even close |
| 21:07.41 | struct | abrotman: a delicacy |
| 21:07.49 | struct | abrotman: what do you know PA boy |
| 21:07.55 | abrotman | i spent all my summers in maine? |
| 21:07.57 | peterS | tralala: oh, I missed the extra \ there, sorry, you're right |
| 21:07.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:08.01 | jelly-home | tralala, JarJarBinks: c) would search for literal "foo|bar" string, not ("foo" or "bar"). |
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| 21:08.15 | struct | abrotman: maine? |
| 21:08.21 | peterS | jelly-home: nope, he has \| in there, not |, which makes a difference |
| 21:08.24 | struct | abrotman: those things they have in maine are no good |
| 21:08.29 | tralala | peterS: surprisingly enough it works: echo -e 'foo\nbar' | grep 'foo\|bar' |
| 21:08.38 | abrotman | struct: you've never been there |
| 21:08.50 | struct | abrotman: nor do I have intentions of going there |
| 21:08.53 | peterS | tralala: you missed the simplest option, which is grep -e foo -e bar. so much easier than remembering whether to use backslashes |
| 21:08.58 | jelly-home | tralala: ah, that's a quirk of GNU grep. |
| 21:09.06 | abrotman | struct: the tomalley is the the true delicacy :) |
| 21:09.12 | tralala | peterS: I was actually unaware of it. |
| 21:09.19 | struct | abrotman: tomalley? |
| 21:09.37 | abrotman | struct: see .. you don't know what you're even talking about |
| 21:09.40 | mindbob | Hey guys, im trying to configure my debian install to connect using my usb adsl modem on boot.. i have it working so when it boots up and i login as root i type pon and it connects fine, however im having trouble getting it to start automagically on boot, im confused as to what i need to put in /etc/network/inetfaces to get it to start i have edited /etc/ppp/peers/provider and put password 'mypassword' at the bottom of that file.. how do i ge |
| 21:09.44 | syntaxx | whats the software for monitoring network activities? |
| 21:09.55 | abrotman | need to be more specific |
| 21:09.59 | struct | abrotman: hey I just eat it |
| 21:10.03 | struct | abrotman: I dont care what its called |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | struct: then you'd know what it is |
| 21:10.18 | abrotman | struct: it's quite possible your lobsters don't have it .. i can't remember |
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| 21:10.27 | peter_rabbit | I have a question, |
| 21:10.29 | abrotman | struct: i don't eat it all the time .. |
| 21:10.31 | peterS | mindbob: iface dsl inet ppp provider dsl-provider |
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| 21:10.35 | peterS | mindbob: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:10.37 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: please ask |
| 21:10.37 | struct | abrotman: I dont think ours have it |
| 21:10.47 | peter_rabbit | I just installed debian, but when I apt get, and apt update first, all the installations are extreamly out of date. |
| 21:10.50 | struct | abrotman: when we spear our lobsters we take the tail only |
| 21:10.51 | peterS | mindbob: oh, and 'auto dsl' |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | struct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomalley |
| 21:10.58 | struct | abrotman: and the tail is all meat |
| 21:11.01 | peter_rabbit | anyone know of any idea on how i can edit /etc/apt/sources.list with some sources that are updated |
| 21:11.14 | peter_rabbit | It's quite anoying. |
| 21:11.15 | peterS | mindbob: oh yeah and in your cases 'provider' not 'dsl-provider' |
| 21:11.15 | abrotman | struct: i know .. but i'm sure yours have tomalley |
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| 21:11.21 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: define out of date |
| 21:11.28 | struct | abrotman: the only thing we do is break off one of their wipes and turn it backwards to feed up their butt holes and pull out the inards |
| 21:11.41 | Shadowcat | anybody in here have a d-link router? |
| 21:11.42 | peter_rabbit | abrotman, , exaple, apt-get install mozilla-firefox, and it trys to install version 1.0 ec.. |
| 21:11.47 | Shadowcat | can't figure out how to get ident working on it |
| 21:11.50 | peter_rabbit | insted of the current version 1.5 |
| 21:11.51 | jelly-home | syntaxx: there's a lot of them with different capabilities. tcpdump, wireshark, ntop, iptraf, are some of them. |
| 21:12.00 | struct | abrotman: well ive never heard of eating anything but the tail meat |
| 21:12.04 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: that's how debian stable works |
| 21:12.08 | abrotman | struct: wussy |
| 21:12.15 | peter_rabbit | abrotman, i Don't think you know what you are talking about. |
| 21:12.15 | struct | abrotman: stick to corn |
| 21:12.24 | struct | abrotman: leave the seafood to us |
| 21:12.24 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: would you care to bet? |
| 21:12.27 | cydork | peter_rabbit, if you are using sarge then try bpo |
| 21:12.29 | syntaxx | jelly-home, yeah i forgot the name the console one |
| 21:12.30 | peter_rabbit | because i asked this question before, and someone prompted me to how to fix it and did. |
| 21:12.37 | abrotman | !backports |
| 21:12.37 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:12.38 | peter_rabbit | cydork, what was that? |
| 21:12.42 | struct | abrotman: send me some shoe fly pie though |
| 21:12.45 | abrotman | but they're not supported here .. have a nice day |
| 21:12.51 | abrotman | shoo fly ? |
| 21:13.05 | struct | abrotman: shoe || shoo |
| 21:13.16 | struct | abrotman: I thought maybe you guys kicked at the flies? |
| 21:13.18 | abrotman | struct: you could uhm .. just come visit :) |
| 21:13.19 | struct | abrotman: :) |
| 21:13.26 | struct | abrotman: yeah I guess |
| 21:13.34 | struct | abrotman: I would get lost in the corn fields though |
| 21:13.35 | abrotman | http://www.maplesprings.com/shoofly.html |
| 21:13.35 | peter_rabbit | abrotman, yeah i'm sure debian wanted people to use extreamly out of date versions of all there programs, for this helps to maintain a secure system |
| 21:13.43 | jelly-home | syntaxx: tcpdump is perhaps the most common one. |
| 21:13.52 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: argue with me all you want .. it doesn't change anything |
| 21:13.56 | peterS | peter_rabbit: indeed it does. so what is it that abrotman allegedly doesn't understand? |
| 21:14.07 | mindbob | peterS: does this look correct to you? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ragvok15.html |
| 21:14.11 | syntaxx | jelly-home, ok thanks |
| 21:14.26 | jelly-home | syntaxx: iptraf has a curses interface, and is good for looking at bandwidth used by a particular connection. |
| 21:14.30 | peter_rabbit | everyone in here run debian? |
| 21:14.36 | abrotman | i do .. many systems |
| 21:14.48 | peter_rabbit | so you all use out of date packages if you installed them by apt and not source? |
| 21:14.49 | peterS | mindbob: yeah, looks correct to me. do you need to load any drivers or anything before the adsl modem comes up? if so, put commands in 'pre-up' lines. |
| 21:14.49 | cydork | peter_rabbit, nope most of us use ms windoz vista beta |
| 21:14.51 | peter_rabbit | correct? |
| 21:14.58 | jelly-home | peter_rabbit: I run windows 2003! :-) |
| 21:14.59 | syntaxx | jelly-home, ok ill try that one |
| 21:15.01 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: no .. i use *stable* software |
| 21:15.15 | peter_rabbit | abrotman, oh so versions that have known exploits, those are stable? |
| 21:15.20 | peterS | peter_rabbit: if you use debian stable, you get stable, not OMG 0DAY WAREZ. you can't really have both |
| 21:15.20 | mindbob | peterS, Im not sure about loading drivers, how can i find out? |
| 21:15.30 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: they have known exploits ? |
| 21:15.31 | cydork | peter_rabbit, i use stable for servers. but my desktop is on etch |
| 21:15.38 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tJdwj372.html anyone have a clue |
| 21:15.45 | peterS | mindbob: well, somehow you have to load the driver for your USB modem. this may be happening automatically for you, in which case don't worry about it |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: are you aware of some unpatched security issue in debian stable ? |
| 21:15.57 | mindbob | peterS i think it is |
| 21:16.02 | mindbob | lemme go try it |
| 21:16.02 | mindbob | :) |
| 21:16.07 | peterS | !bless mindbob |
| 21:16.07 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child mindbob, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 21:16.57 | jelly-home | peter_rabbit: security patches are routinely backported and applied to debian packages, read up on http://security.debian.org/ |
| 21:17.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: you're no fun :) |
| 21:17.23 | peter_rabbit | Ok so I don't want to run out of date packages. What do you suggest I run? |
| 21:17.30 | Guerin | nothing |
| 21:17.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: I just want to shut a potential troll as quickly as possible. ;-) |
| 21:17.39 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: how up to date do you want? |
| 21:17.42 | peter_rabbit | I'm not saying I wan't to use a snapshot, just the current version |
| 21:17.47 | abrotman | jelly-home: but but but .. damn you! |
| 21:17.52 | Guerin | peter_rabbit: why? |
| 21:18.02 | peter_rabbit | Guerin, why not ? |
| 21:18.02 | abrotman | !sns |
| 21:18.05 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 21:18.06 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 21:18.10 | peterS | peter_rabbit: you can have well-tested-and-stable or you can have current. can't have both. a compromise is debian testing, aka etch. |
| 21:18.12 | tralala | peter_rabbit: I suggest you to run ubuntu |
| 21:18.16 | cydork | peter_rabbit, if you are not running a server then try etch. but it might break some times.. |
| 21:18.17 | Guerin | peter_rabbit: start with stable, if you run into some functionality you want from a newer versioin, you can backport it. |
| 21:18.26 | Guerin | peter_rabbit: because with newness comes brokenness. |
| 21:18.39 | jelly-home | omg I MUST run PHP 4.4.4, is it in Debian yet??!1!!? |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | it's in etch |
| 21:18.56 | liran_ | whats so special about 4.4.4? |
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| 21:19.05 | kminor | ya |
| 21:19.06 | jelly-home | liran_: it's new! |
| 21:19.07 | Guerin | liran_: it's got 3 4s in the version number |
| 21:19.07 | kminor | what's the diff |
| 21:19.12 | liran_ | lol |
| 21:19.16 | unsolo | no one here have a clue as to why i get this |
| 21:19.16 | peter_rabbit | Interesting. |
| 21:19.30 | jelly-home | liran_: it has SECURITY patches! :-) |
| 21:19.36 | unsolo | error http://rafb.net/paste/results/tJdwj372.html when following http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 21:19.47 | peter_rabbit | But isn't it more insecure to be running out of date software. |
| 21:19.49 | peterS | the new verssssion number! it burnsss uss! |
| 21:19.49 | liran_ | jelly-home was so exciting that i thought maybe it can do coffee as well!!! |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | unsolo: ask #postfix |
| 21:19.57 | peter_rabbit | That can be assumed at least some has some security holes.? |
| 21:20.05 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: not if your patches are backported .. which the debian security team does |
| 21:20.12 | wombachi | peter_rabbit http://www.us.debian.org/security/faq#oldversion |
| 21:20.16 | peter_rabbit | Interesting. |
| 21:20.28 | Guerin | unsolo: your postfix or your mysqld is chrooted. Look at master.cf |
| 21:20.43 | jelly-home | peter_rabbit: read the pages on security.d.o, then come back if something isn't clear enough. |
| 21:20.45 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: in some cases .. the software cannot be properly patched .. so they'll send out newer packages |
| 21:20.53 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: did i win my bet yet? :) |
| 21:20.56 | unsolo | Guerin: agh the guide does not handle master.cf |
| 21:21.00 | peter_rabbit | You did, i apologize. |
| 21:21.06 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 21:21.06 | peter_rabbit | That just sounds so strange to me. |
| 21:21.07 | Guerin | unsolo: yes, it des. |
| 21:21.20 | peter_rabbit | What do you run abrotman ? |
| 21:21.22 | peter_rabbit | Do you use stable? |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: you'll have to understand that many of us run debian/stable on servers .. and then the more advanced users/debian-developers will run etch and/or sid |
| 21:21.44 | wombachi | peter_rabbit this is not strange if you admin servers |
| 21:21.47 | unsolo | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ where in there |
| 21:21.55 | tralala | peter_rabbit: do you want the latest software with all the GUI colourness and as stable and solid as a rock for you're going to use it as a server? |
| 21:22.03 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: personally .. i run sarge/stable on servers and etch on my home machines |
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| 21:22.19 | jelly-home | me three! |
| 21:22.21 | Guerin | unsolo: i'm not going looking for it, but I have used that howto. Regardless, that's what you need to do. |
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| 21:22.23 | abrotman | i guess i should say sarge at work .. |
| 21:22.26 | peterS | peter_rabbit: well, that's why it's called debian stable. the idea is that administrators can confidently apply security updates without heavily testing them to see what they break, like you have to do with Windows service packs. since the security update is not some brand new version of something, but just a minimal patch on top of what you already had. administrators of large networks really appreciate this. |
| 21:22.27 | peter_rabbit | True. |
| 21:22.49 | unsolo | Guerin: i guess so |
| 21:22.53 | peter_rabbit | Interesting, sorry for coming off rude in the begining, this stuff just has frustrated me all dya. |
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| 21:23.21 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: if you're indeed running a workstation .. then etch might be okay for you .. but servers should really stick to stable unless you know better |
| 21:23.30 | Cooner750 | Does anyone here have any idea why vsftpd just stopped working for me? I get "550 Permission Denied" when trying to upload files now |
| 21:23.34 | peter_rabbit | Okay. |
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| 21:23.44 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: so .. is this for a workstation or server? |
| 21:23.53 | n00biest | re all |
| 21:23.55 | peter_rabbit | Well, kind of both, but a server for myself. |
| 21:23.59 | peterS | peter_rabbit: so, in summary, there are two ways around the problem of "OMG stable software is almost 2 years old, that's practically fossilized". one is debian testing, which will be the next stable but isn't yet. the other is to pull down select newer packages that you need from an external source, particularly backports.org |
| 21:24.07 | unsolo | Guerin: virtual chroot no.. |
| 21:24.12 | peter_rabbit | I had apache installed via source, with php via source on slackware, but that computer was to slow for what i was trying to do. |
| 21:24.24 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: you can either migrate to etch .. or use backports .. it's up to you |
| 21:24.34 | Cooner750 | I've tried to do chown -R proftp /var/www to no avail |
| 21:24.38 | abrotman | !tell peter_rabbit about backports |
| 21:24.40 | n00biest | did anybody experienced any troubles building ndiswrapper? |
| 21:24.41 | abrotman | !tell peter_rabbit about sarge->etch |
| 21:24.42 | Cooner750 | proftp is the user that I use for uploading files |
| 21:24.45 | dasunt | Cooner750: Out of space on the server? |
| 21:24.52 | peter_rabbit | So i installed debain on this , and I wan't to just continue programming and wan't to learn php, and have apache installed on this box. |
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| 21:25.01 | Cooner750 | dasunt: 120GB hard drive, shouldnt be, unless some log lost it's mind |
| 21:25.02 | peter_rabbit | but I'm not using it to serve others., just myself. |
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| 21:25.10 | dasunt | Cooner750: df -h |
| 21:25.16 | tralala | n00biest: I guess yes. |
| 21:25.19 | dasunt | Cooner750: If you have space, check the logs for vsftpd. |
| 21:25.31 | peterS | peter_rabbit: your choice. do note that while testing works great for most people, if it breaks you want to be in the position of knowing a bit about unix and debian so you can fix it |
| 21:25.33 | n00biest | tralala: i'm using m-a |
| 21:25.48 | tralala | n00biest: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:25.49 | peter_rabbit | peterS True. |
| 21:25.59 | cydork | n00biest, it depend on the wifi card, i have used it with atheros based usb wifi. Had no problems .. |
| 21:26.04 | tralala | n00biest: will you share your error message? |
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| 21:26.14 | n00biest | tralala: yes, in a minute |
| 21:26.20 | tralala | cydork: compile |
| 21:26.21 | garo | Why doesn't http://pastebin.com/773523 work on the mysql of debian stable ? |
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| 21:26.40 | abrotman | show us the error ? |
| 21:26.41 | wombachi | peter_rabbit If you want php5/mysql5 and recent soft for development, install etch |
| 21:26.47 | VictorI_ | in the debian-installer is there anyway to drop down to command prompt? |
| 21:26.52 | cydork | tralala, ohhh . :P |
| 21:26.55 | garo | the #mysql channel tells me that 'debian have been known to ADD bugs', why's that ? |
| 21:26.57 | abrotman | wombachi: or use backports.org |
| 21:27.02 | VictorI_ | i have an eepro100 nic card thats not being detected, i need to force modprobe it |
| 21:27.05 | VictorI_ | anyone know how to do it in the debianinstaller? |
| 21:27.10 | abrotman | garo: what's the error ? |
| 21:27.22 | abrotman | VictorI_: use e100 if it's there .. try both kernels |
| 21:27.25 | Guerin | unsolo: that error message means that postfix is unable to lookup the mysql table. Other things to check are that the mysqld socket is where postfix thinks it is, that postfix is correctly set up to access mysql, and so on. |
| 21:27.31 | Cooner750 | Size: 9.6GB, Used: 2.5GB, Free: 6.76GB -- Forgot, I have a partition made for Debian, but it's only 27% used |
| 21:27.33 | VictorI_ | abrotman try both kernels? |
| 21:27.39 | Cooner750 | Time to check vsftpd logs, where are they? |
| 21:27.39 | n00biest | tralala: http://pastebin.ca/145217 |
| 21:27.40 | abrotman | VictorI_: sarge installer right ? |
| 21:27.44 | Guerin | garo: ask them for an example |
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| 21:27.52 | VictorI_ | no |
| 21:27.53 | VictorI_ | etch |
| 21:27.56 | VictorI_ | then trying unstable |
| 21:28.02 | Cooner750 | Can I check the logs using SSG |
| 21:28.02 | abrotman | oh .. only one kernel .. use e100 |
| 21:28.03 | Cooner750 | SSH* |
| 21:28.05 | VictorI_ | both don't detect it |
| 21:28.06 | wombachi | abrotman I know bpo, but sarge on desktop/devel box is too old for me |
| 21:28.10 | tralala | garo: some upstream vendors don't appreciate distributor's patches |
| 21:28.11 | VictorI_ | abrotman i tried e100 |
| 21:28.13 | VictorI_ | still nada |
| 21:28.17 | peter_rabbit | If i wan't to use new software to play around with. can i just install from source? |
| 21:28.20 | VictorI_ | any way to drop down to command line? |
| 21:28.20 | abrotman | wombachi: i use vi .. i could care less :) |
| 21:28.36 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 21:28.40 | Guerin | peter_rabbit: yes, but you probably want to learn the debian way so you don't break shit horribly. It's not hard. |
| 21:28.47 | garo | abrotman: run http://pastebin.com/773523 on mysql of debian stable and you will get : "ERROR 1054: Unknown column 'a.bar' in 'having clause'" |
| 21:28.51 | abrotman | or use stow/checkinstall |
| 21:29.01 | Cooner750 | Is there a VNC server I can install on Debian? |
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| 21:29.21 | peter_rabbit | Guerin, so what do you suggest? |
| 21:29.25 | VictorI_ | so umm ya |
| 21:29.35 | wombachi | abrotman I prefer vim. I guess you use the vi mode in bash (set -o vi) ? |
| 21:29.38 | VictorI_ | no way to get to command prompt from installer? |
| 21:29.46 | Guerin | peter_rabbit: i already suggested. |
| 21:29.46 | peter_rabbit | I just wan't to learn PHP. and continue programming everything else I already do. |
| 21:29.49 | peter_rabbit | Ok. |
| 21:29.50 | wombachi | VictorI_ ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 21:29.50 | tralala | Cooner750: tightvnc, x11vnc and some others |
| 21:29.52 | peter_rabbit | Use backports? |
| 21:29.54 | abrotman | wombachi: no .. i use nvi .. unless i remember to install vim .. i don't use syntax highlighting .. so it really doesn't matter |
| 21:30.00 | VictorI_ | wombachi that wont work |
| 21:30.00 | VictorI_ | i tried |
| 21:30.04 | struct | abrotman: I use to get lost in the corn field when I was a boy |
| 21:30.07 | struct | abrotman: in PA I mean |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | struct: you were stoned |
| 21:30.20 | struct | abrotman: no I was visiting my uncle and aunt |
| 21:30.25 | peterS | eeeeeverybody must get stoooooned |
| 21:30.28 | abrotman | garo: but it works on other systems with mysql4 ? |
| 21:30.32 | struct | abrotman: they live outside of harrisburg |
| 21:30.39 | abrotman | struct: in middleburg? |
| 21:30.39 | struct | harrisburg is in PA right? |
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| 21:30.43 | peterS | cydork: because the implementation in vim hurts our eyes |
| 21:30.46 | abrotman | lewisberry? |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | carlisle ? |
| 21:31.03 | struct | abrotman: http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Harrisburg,+PA |
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| 21:31.11 | cydork | peterS, ohh i use emacs !! |
| 21:31.15 | abrotman | struct: i know where harrisburg is .. i did my internship there :) |
| 21:31.20 | wombachi | iirc, vim main developper now works at Google |
| 21:31.22 | struct | abrotman: oh sweet |
| 21:31.23 | tralala | n00biest: which branch? |
| 21:31.31 | peterS | cydork: syntax highlighting is ok so long as the colors are subtle enough not to give you a headache. apparently vim users don't believe this. |
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| 21:31.43 | garo | abrotman: i have no access to other mysql4 installations at the moment |
| 21:31.43 | struct | abrotman: they had this little air field nearby and people use to go sky diving and land in the corn fields :-P |
| 21:31.49 | n00biest | tralala: which branch of what? |
| 21:31.55 | struct | abrotman: they would spend much time trying to walk out |
| 21:31.55 | tralala | of debian |
| 21:31.59 | peterS | cydork: I use xemacs. die, gnumacs heretic gaijin |
| 21:32.13 | wombachi | peterS I agree. but you can choose between 2 color modes (:set background=dark/light) |
| 21:32.15 | cydork | peterS, gaijin?? |
| 21:32.20 | abrotman | garo: moment |
| 21:32.28 | peterS | cydork: 'foreigner'. used in a racist manner. |
| 21:32.29 | n00biest | tralala: # uname -a |
| 21:32.30 | n00biest | Linux zen 2.6.16-2-686-smp #1 SMP Wed Jun 21 18:34:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:32.37 | nuxil | how do i get my pc to update its date & time trought internet instead of using the bios one.. cos it totaly wrong.. bad battery |
| 21:32.42 | Cooner750 | I installed x11vnc but how do I start it? I have SSH access, or phyiscal access to the server but I dont feel like getting up and going upstairs right now |
| 21:32.48 | tralala | n00biest: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:32.48 | cydork | peterS, tokyo drift ?? |
| 21:32.49 | wombachi | nuxil ntpdate |
| 21:33.02 | peterS | nuxil: install 'ntpdate' and 'ntp-simple' |
| 21:33.05 | n00biest | tralala: testing/unstable |
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| 21:33.24 | tralala | n00biest: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:33.33 | tralala | n00biest: it's probably a bug |
| 21:33.33 | Guerin | 'gaijin' isn't strictly racist |
| 21:33.36 | peterS | nuxil: ntpdate sets your clock at boot time, ntp-simple keeps it synched |
| 21:33.39 | peterS | Guerin: yeah but I was using it that way |
| 21:33.49 | abrotman | garo: s/a.bar/'Missing From'/ |
| 21:33.51 | Guerin | i mean, no more than any japanese reference to foreignness is |
| 21:33.54 | some1 | how do you resume your downloads with 'wget' ? |
| 21:34.00 | abrotman | man wget |
| 21:34.06 | cydork | some1, wget -c |
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| 21:34.11 | abrotman | !fishing |
| 21:34.12 | dpkg | fishing is probably if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
| 21:34.12 | unsolo | Guerin: the chroot isnt the problem it seems it has problems connecting to the server it self |
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| 21:34.28 | abrotman | garo: no idea why .. i don't really use mysql |
| 21:34.31 | some1 | thanks |
| 21:34.37 | cydork | abrotman, sorry :P |
| 21:34.48 | peterS | nuxil: also, cmos batteries are like $2, it's worth having a good one regardless (or other bios weirdness happens, not just clock skew) |
| 21:34.55 | Guerin | unsolo: so now you know what to do. |
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| 21:35.29 | unsolo | nope |
| 21:35.51 | Guerin | unsolo: fix the glue |
| 21:35.55 | unsolo | i have absolutely no clue at all so i am trying to backtrace the problem from every possible sorce.. |
| 21:35.57 | tralala | Cooner750: x11vnc needs a running X session. Do you have one? |
| 21:35.58 | unsolo | glue ? |
| 21:36.01 | unsolo | doh |
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| 21:36.26 | Guerin | unsolo: glue = settings and scripts and stuff which make one thing stick to another thing |
| 21:36.43 | unsolo | looking to se what the logfile puts there |
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| 21:37.28 | Cooner750 | tralala: Yes, It's running Gnome as we speak |
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| 21:38.00 | nuxil | peterS im fully aware of that :D |
| 21:38.01 | garo | abrotman: error is idd gone but the queryanswer is wrong |
| 21:38.07 | Cooner750 | How do I start x11vnc? |
| 21:38.12 | tralala | Cooner750: then you can start it with ssh thegnomerunninguser@host x11vnc -display :0 (adjust if needed) |
| 21:38.33 | garo | abrotman: it should show the missing values |
| 21:39.53 | tralala | Cooner750: make sure the host's firewall allows incoming connections at tcp port 5900 |
| 21:40.15 | Cooner750 | Yes, it dosent have a firewall because it's behind Smoothwall on my network |
| 21:40.21 | Cooner750 | I am trying to access it through the internal network |
| 21:40.47 | Cooner750 | I am on a Windows machine here and want to use TightVNC viewer to control the server upstairs |
| 21:41.14 | tralala | Cooner750: ssh should do a better job for controlling a server |
| 21:41.26 | unsolo | Guerin: think i found it lol ERROR 1130: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 21:41.27 | Cooner750 | I know, but I find it easier if I have VNC access sometimes |
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| 21:42.11 | Cooner750 | Like looking at log files as easier for me using VNC |
| 21:42.20 | Cooner750 | Since I dont know how to use things like vim |
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| 21:42.41 | tralala | Cooner750: you don't need vim to look at log files |
| 21:42.55 | Cooner750 | Can I look at vsftpd's log files using SSH? |
| 21:43.03 | cydork | Cooner750, people use less :) |
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| 21:43.50 | Cooner750 | So, how can I look at the logs? |
| 21:43.58 | tralala | Cooner750: you sure can - less, grep, awk, perl and some others can help you do mirales with log files |
| 21:44.14 | JarJarBinks | tralala: and tail -F |
| 21:44.19 | Cooner750 | grep I think I've used in the past, how do I use it on vsftpd? |
| 21:44.30 | tralala | Cooner750: ls /var/log |
| 21:44.31 | JarJarBinks | sorry tralala that was for Cooner750 |
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| 21:44.49 | abrotman | garo: eh .. uhm .. it should? |
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| 21:45.09 | Alex_78 | hi |
| 21:45.13 | christopher | h |
| 21:45.16 | christopher | i |
| 21:45.18 | Cooner750 | Ok I see /var/logs/vsftpd.log, so how do I read it? |
| 21:45.26 | christopher | cat |
| 21:45.28 | christopher | tail |
| 21:45.32 | garo | abrotman: see http://www.artfulsoftware.com/queries.php#44 |
| 21:45.39 | christopher | sudo tail |
| 21:46.12 | tralala | Cooner750: with less |
| 21:46.22 | abrotman | garo: oh .. let me check |
| 21:46.27 | Cooner750 | less /var/logs/vsftpd.log ? |
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| 21:47.32 | abrotman | garo: it does show missing values on mine |
| 21:47.33 | Cooner750 | Log isnt showing much |
| 21:47.44 | tralala | Cooner750: yes; man less, man grep, man cat and man tail should get you started. You can ask questions for how to use these tools over at #bash |
| 21:47.56 | abrotman | garo: http://pastebin.ca/145251 |
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| 21:48.36 | abrotman | garo: yours doesn't do that? |
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| 21:48.45 | tralala | Cooner750: probably there isn't much to show. You might want to increase the verbosity of the ftp daemon |
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| 21:49.24 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:49.29 | abrotman | garo: ? |
| 21:49.47 | garo | it does, but |
| 21:49.54 | abrotman | but? |
| 21:49.59 | abrotman | doing the butt ... |
| 21:50.33 | garo | if you have a column foobar with the following values 1,2,3,7,8,9,10,20 |
| 21:50.36 | garo | it should give |
| 21:50.44 | garo | missing from |
| 21:50.53 | garo | 3 7 |
| 21:50.59 | garo | 10 20 |
| 21:52.02 | garo | because 4,5,6 and 10-20 are missing |
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| 21:53.43 | IceGuest_7 | someone helped me this morning with iptables, I need to open all access to a specific nic |
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| 21:53.46 | tralala | garo: this is not so easy to be done in sql. You might consider using a programming language. |
| 21:54.13 | IceGuest_7 | unfortunatley housekeeping threw away the paper i wrote it down on. |
| 21:54.38 | tralala | IceGuest_7: iptables -I INPUT -i ethX -j ACCEPT |
| 21:54.48 | IceGuest_7 | does anyone know how to do that..... it was something thanks!! |
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| 21:55.06 | k-man | how do i make a module load at boot time the debian way? |
| 21:55.17 | garo | and iptables -I OUTPUT -o ethX -j ACCEPT |
| 21:55.22 | tralala | k-man: add it to /etc/modules |
| 21:56.03 | k-man | tralala, thanks |
| 21:56.53 | tralala | k-man: you're welcome |
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| 22:00.36 | DanTH | anyone here know about the kernel and 1000HZ? |
| 22:00.44 | DanTH | someone must know :> |
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| 22:01.02 | Vladi_ | hi, i am getting the following error when i try to ping a server with 66 byte packets can someone please help me diagnose this (http://pastebin.com/773548) |
| 22:01.25 | SerajewelKS | i've added a default route, but when i try to ping out of my subnet i get "connect: Network is unreachable" and no packet goes on the wire. why would this be? |
| 22:01.58 | tralala | SerajewelKS: your router lacks a default route? |
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| 22:03.49 | abrotman | garo: uh |
| 22:04.15 | abrotman | garo: still there? |
| 22:04.29 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i'm setting up a masquerade between two boxes |
| 22:04.49 | Arvid | How canI change the language on a debian sarge installation? right now i logged in for the first time and everything is in german :/ |
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| 22:05.03 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:05.12 | abrotman | garo: http://pastebin.ca/145262 |
| 22:05.21 | michael11 | Can anyone else get the package "java-package" from apt? |
| 22:05.30 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 22:05.46 | SerajewelKS | tralala: static IPs and routing tables |
| 22:06.05 | abrotman | you need contrib sources for java-package |
| 22:06.22 | tralala | SerajewelKS: does the machine doing the masqureading ping external hosts? |
| 22:06.48 | SerajewelKS | tralala: yes, it's the one i'm using. also the iptables rule shows no packets processed |
| 22:07.13 | SerajewelKS | tralala: err, three packets |
| 22:07.20 | Arvid | locals does not seem to be installed - anyone (now that abrotman left) |
| 22:07.22 | tralala | SerajewelKS: 'sysctl -a | grep ip_forward' is this = 1? |
| 22:07.28 | michael11 | abrotman: Sorry for sounding like a newb, but where can I find those? |
| 22:07.46 | azeem | !contrib |
| 22:07.47 | dpkg | contrib is probably debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 22:08.02 | SerajewelKS | tralala: yes, i turned that on before i started |
| 22:08.08 | Seb | SerajewelKS: you usually get the error above when the default gateway you setup is *not* on your subnet |
| 22:08.23 | SerajewelKS | Seb: it's on the subnet of eth0:1 |
| 22:08.41 | Seb | SerajewelKS: so you can ping this default gateway just fine ? |
| 22:08.46 | SerajewelKS | Seb: yes |
| 22:08.52 | Seb | SerajewelKS: hmm, then I dunno |
| 22:08.56 | SerajewelKS | Seb: default 192.168.8.1 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth0 -- 192.168.8.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 22:09.00 | Arvid | okey - fixed it |
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| 22:10.14 | tralala | SerajewelKS: have you added the default gateway manually? |
| 22:10.37 | azeta | hey, testing is showing "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" and the 2006 key is installed. Is it normal? |
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| 22:11.30 | SerajewelKS | tralala: yes |
| 22:11.49 | SerajewelKS | tralala: route add 0.0.0.0/0 gw 192.168.8.1 dev eth0 |
| 22:12.32 | tuxedup | Does any one have any experiance with running Debian on Via c3 processors? Specifically in laptops? If so what is therere general performace like? |
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| 22:13.36 | SerajewelKS | tralala: would a paste of ifconfig/route help? |
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| 22:14.08 | koumes | hello. can someone give advice what to do if i want to place linux server just before another (win) server when i do not want to change settings of win server? i want the linux to act like perfect 'proxy' with some added functions... |
| 22:14.10 | Cooner750 | Ok this FTP problem is seriously getting on my nerves |
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| 22:14.54 | Cooner750 | I am unable to get it to stop showing "Permission Denied" or "550 Failed to change directory" |
| 22:15.24 | petemc | koumes: bridging, and perhaps squid, would be one way to go |
| 22:15.53 | koumes | bridging? sounds like what i need |
| 22:15.57 | Cooner750 | Is there, anything, that I can do? I need FTP access severly that works |
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| 22:16.15 | koumes | petemc, ty... |
| 22:16.33 | SerajewelKS | tralala: http://pastebin.ca/145282 |
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| 22:17.38 | Smace | hi! I need help about installing one tar.gz in Debian. In fact I would like to make it one DEB and the dpkg it. |
| 22:18.02 | Guerin | Smace: checkinstall |
| 22:18.13 | azeem | Smace: see the new maintainer's guide on how to make it a .deb |
| 22:18.18 | Smace | the Install file does not have any comments about Debian distro. |
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| 22:18.27 | Cooner750 | Any other FTP servers I can install, that will actually work? |
| 22:18.32 | azeem | Smace: that is not needed |
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| 22:18.52 | Guerin | Cooner750: vsftpd works |
| 22:18.58 | SerajewelKS | Cooner750: maybe you could describe your problem a little more? |
| 22:19.09 | cydork | Smace, Guerin is talklin about some package called as checkinstall. Which package are you tryin to install |
| 22:19.19 | tralala | SerajewelKS: this "default 192.168.8.1 255.255.255.255" is supposed to be "default 192.168.8.1 0.0.0.0", at least with me it is |
| 22:19.35 | Cooner750 | I have, many times. Just today it decided to stop working. When I attempt to upload a file it states first "Permission Denied" and then "550 Failed to change directory" |
| 22:19.45 | Smace | Im trying to install Freeradius with POstgreSQL |
| 22:19.47 | Cooner750 | Nothing has changed on the server |
| 22:19.56 | SerajewelKS | tralala: hmm... i said 0.0.0.0/0 to route add... that's subnet 0.0.0.0, no? |
| 22:20.16 | Smace | [SerajewelKS]: yes. |
| 22:20.35 | Guerin | Cooner750: what ftpd? |
| 22:20.42 | Cooner750 | vsftpd |
| 22:20.44 | tralala | SerajewelKS: why don't you configure the default gateway via interfaces? |
| 22:20.56 | Guerin | Cooner750: delete the config and rewrite it. |
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| 22:21.12 | SerajewelKS | tralala: because this box is headless :> |
| 22:21.27 | SerajewelKS | tralala: ifdown eth0 = dead ssh |
| 22:21.32 | Cooner750 | ugh.. Again I have to fix something... |
| 22:21.37 | Guerin | Cooner750: vsftpd does work, but you need to make sure the config is correct and the directories it's trying to access exist and are correctly permissionised |
| 22:21.39 | SerajewelKS | tralala: this is temporary anyway |
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| 22:22.16 | tralala | SerajewelKS: then I suggest you to install and use iproute |
| 22:22.24 | Cooner750 | The first time it screwed up like that I ran chown -R proftp /var/www (proftp is the user that is on the machine to connect to, and it's home directory is /var/www) and it fixed it. That has no avail this time |
| 22:22.32 | SerajewelKS | tralala: hmm, default/0 made the subnet 0.0.0.0... wonder why 0.0.0.0/0 turned into 0.0.0.0/32 |
| 22:22.53 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i can't install anything right now, that's why i'm doing this |
| 22:23.33 | SerajewelKS | tralala: it's working now though.. thanks for the catch |
| 22:23.34 | Smace | I cant find this HOW-TO make one Deb package from the .tar.gz :( |
| 22:23.34 | tralala | SerajewelKS: you're welcome |
| 22:23.34 | cydork | Smace, but freeradius is in debian then why to compile? |
| 22:23.45 | Smace | [cydork]: because there are some things broken. |
| 22:23.47 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i love silly problems like this :) |
| 22:24.01 | Smace | [cydork]: postgresql module does not installs. |
| 22:24.10 | Smace | [cydork]: it is one debian issue about licenses. |
| 22:24.19 | Cooner750 | For some reason I am starting to loose faith in Linux on this server, It hasnt worked right since the day I installed it :/ |
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| 22:24.32 | tralala | SerajewelKS: the obscure world of networking is full of them |
| 22:24.38 | Smace | [cydork]: freeradius stable in debian is also old. |
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| 22:25.08 | SerajewelKS | tralala: yeah.. it's part of what i want to do too |
| 22:25.10 | cydork | Smace, still i think you can get a newer one using simple sid packport. |
| 22:25.18 | Guerin | Cooner750: well, it's only as good as the administrator. |
| 22:25.24 | SerajewelKS | tralala: i've been playing with ipv6 a lot recently |
| 22:25.44 | Smace | [cydork]: sid packport ? hum .... how can I do this? |
| 22:25.59 | cydork | !simple sid backport |
| 22:25.59 | dpkg | methinks simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 22:26.14 | Cooner750 | it worked perfectly on the last machine I had it installed on, the one the hard drive failed in |
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| 22:26.19 | tralala | SerajewelKS: oh, I'm playing with the thought of trying it but I haven't found the courage just yet |
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| 22:26.35 | cydork | Smace, or check if it's there in backports /msg dpkg backports |
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| 22:28.24 | Smace | [cydork]: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 22:28.25 | Smace | ops |
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| 22:29.22 | tkup | any good nids/firewall readings/links? |
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| 22:32.04 | Cooner750 | Ok on the server now, |
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| 22:32.20 | erudified | Man, I spilt milk on my laptop keyboard while eating cereal |
| 22:32.25 | erudified | and my down and left arrow keys dont work any more |
| 22:32.33 | erudified | does anyone have any suggestions for how I might fix it? |
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| 22:32.40 | Smace | should nto be better make it from the tar.gz? |
| 22:32.51 | DanTH | ouch |
| 22:32.55 | Cooner750 | vsftpd logs point to no problems |
| 22:32.56 | Smace | I have had a look in apt-get.org but things there are old |
| 22:33.09 | Guerin | erudified: dismantle it and put it in a warm place for several days |
| 22:33.13 | Smace | how do I make one deb package from the tar.gz? |
| 22:33.14 | cydork | Smace, what about backports.org? |
| 22:33.32 | Guerin | Smace: we fucking told you already. Use checkinstall or read the new maintainer's guide. |
| 22:33.40 | erudified | yeah man it's really put a cramp in my text editing styles |
| 22:33.50 | erudified | try using vim without left or down arrows hahah |
| 22:33.57 | cydork | erudified, heheh |
| 22:34.11 | jelly-home | erudified: meh, you still have hjkl. |
| 22:34.19 | cydork | erudified, you can use emacs without that :P |
| 22:34.22 | erudified | oh, sonofabitch, that works?!? |
| 22:34.23 | Guerin | erudified: you might want to clean it with a very small amount of water, since milk won't evaporate cleanly |
| 22:34.40 | erudified | Guerin, i tried with a q-tip and a bit of rubbing alcohol |
| 22:34.53 | jelly-home | it is a vi clone after all. |
| 22:35.15 | erudified | jelly-home I only started using vim ~3 months ago, was a longtime nano user |
| 22:35.24 | Guerin | erudified: the main thing is to wait until it dries, but if there was a current through it at the time, some paths may have fused |
| 22:35.34 | erudified | that's ugly |
| 22:35.46 | erudified | glad I didn't spend megabux on this thing, on the plus side |
| 22:36.21 | Cooner750 | Time to remove vsftpd and all of it's config files and reinstall it I guess. That better fix the problem |
| 22:36.42 | erudified | Cooner750, I find proftpd a bit easier to configure (if you're familiar with apache it feels pretty natural) |
| 22:37.11 | jelly-home | erudified: well, vi was made to be usable on really basic terminals, so you can use hjkl keys to move cursor in command mode. |
| 22:37.37 | Cooner750 | erudified: I acually used proftpd before and my problem was it was way too SLOW. It took ages and ages to connect and change directories and upload/download files |
| 22:38.04 | Cooner750 | how can I delete /etc/vsftpd.conf, as I apparently cannot just Trash it |
| 22:38.07 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 22:38.13 | erudified | Cooner750, Ahh, bummer. Honestly, if you can get away with it, I'd just use scp/sftp. |
| 22:38.17 | sid | Cooner750: That's just the ftp protocol in general. It's very very old. |
| 22:38.32 | sid | Cooner750: yea, I agree with erudified sftp/scp is the way to go. |
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| 22:38.46 | Cooner750 | Ok, then suggesstions for an sftp server to install? |
| 22:38.58 | Guerin | vsftpd |
| 22:39.02 | Guerin | really |
| 22:39.03 | erudified | Cooner750 if you're running ssh you're probably already running sftp |
| 22:39.06 | Guerin | it works |
| 22:39.32 | jelly-home | Cooner750: sftp is built in ssh, just a matter of sshd configuration. |
| 22:39.45 | Cooner750 | So, wait... i can connect over port 22 with an SFTP client? Any client programs for windows? |
| 22:39.54 | Smace | [cydork]: backports seems to work once the error msg has changed :) |
| 22:39.55 | Guerin | winscp |
| 22:39.59 | jelly-home | Cooner750: winscp comes to mind. |
| 22:39.59 | Guerin | filezilla |
| 22:40.01 | Guerin | etc. |
| 22:40.05 | erudified | Cooner750, I use cygwin on windows personally |
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| 22:40.25 | Cooner750 | Is SFTP alreadly configured with SSH running, or does it need more config? |
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| 22:40.38 | Guerin | Cooner750: man sshd |
| 22:40.38 | erudified | Cooner750, try sftp youruser@yourhost.com |
| 22:40.52 | erudified | or scp myfile.txt youruser@yourhost.com:/your/path |
| 22:40.57 | jelly-home | Cooner750: check that you have sftp subsystem enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (usually at bottom) |
| 22:41.14 | jelly-home | erudified: scp won't use sftp, but scp. ;-) |
| 22:41.34 | Smace | [cydork]: great. It was another depencie. |
| 22:41.36 | erudified | true |
| 22:41.44 | xst | in /proc/cpuinfo I can get a nice list of various details about the CPU. How can I see similar details about the RAM? E.g. what kind of ram modules (pc-100, pc-133 and SD/DDR/etc.) that are in the machine - and how large they are? |
| 22:41.45 | Cooner750 | it says: Subsystemsftp/usr/lib/sftp-server |
| 22:41.52 | erudified | Then it's running |
| 22:41.54 | jelly-home | Cooner750: that's it. |
| 22:41.57 | Guerin | xst: /proc/meminfo |
| 22:42.07 | Guerin | not sure what exactly it tells you, though |
| 22:42.14 | Cooner750 | It appears to work, I can use the sftp command using "vsftp@localhost" (vsftp is the user that has the home directory /var/www) |
| 22:42.23 | Cooner750 | (I'm on the server right now, using it) |
| 22:42.42 | Cooner750 | The "server" just happens to be an HP Pavilion a720n, 2.2Ghz Athlon XP |
| 22:42.45 | erudified | Cooner750, yeah, the only bad part is it won't work with dreamweaver or frontpage |
| 22:43.00 | Smace | OK! my freeradius is now updated. but I keep getting an error message. I will have to recompile it anyway :( |
| 22:43.16 | xst | Guerin: Thanks - however, it doesn't tell what kind of ram there are in the host. |
| 22:43.18 | jelly-home | I wish sshfs was available for windows. |
| 22:43.37 | erudified | I think there are some explorer extensions taht let you mount sftp... yeah jelly =) |
| 22:44.34 | Guerin | xst: i don't know if that information is available |
| 22:44.58 | erudified | Guerin, you think it's a good thing or a bad thing that my left arrow seems to work sporadically (in terms of likelihood of nasty fused circuit scenario) |
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| 22:45.02 | Smace | [cydork]: I guess the problem is about postgresql modulo not being included in debian package. |
| 22:45.30 | cydork | Smace, quite possible :) |
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| 22:45.42 | Guerin | erudified: good thing. Why are you still using it? The more you fuck with it, the less likely it is to sort itself out |
| 22:45.56 | erudified | it's my only box =( |
| 22:46.03 | erudified | work to do and whatnot |
| 22:46.08 | robin_sz | arghhh ... where does Thunderbird actually keep the mail huh? |
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| 22:46.39 | Guerin | robin_sz: ~/.mozilla/thunderbird |
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| 22:46.45 | Cooner750 | Well it works |
| 22:46.47 | opensores | I have a .thunderbird directory |
| 22:46.50 | Smace | [cydork]: so I guess the solution for this would be doing it from tar.gz ... |
| 22:46.51 | Cooner750 | using WinSCP on windows |
| 22:46.59 | crille | Hello, Im getting a permission error when trying to startx as a ordinary user,how do I get around that? |
| 22:47.42 | opensores | run it as root |
| 22:47.49 | erudified | crille, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and say "yes, install as SUID root" |
| 22:48.05 | liable | huh? |
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| 22:48.19 | jelly-home | Smace: btw, freeradius upstream does a good job of maintaining debian/* files in their source tar.gz, we're using the upstream source to build our packages and it builds something called "freeradius-postgresql" |
| 22:48.32 | crille | hmm, I did apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox, I dont think I have x-server-xorg |
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| 22:48.55 | crille | erudified: I think its using Xfree86 |
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| 22:49.18 | Smace | [jelly-home]: i;'m looking for doing this. i'ma little lost :) |
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| 22:49.34 | Smace | [jelly-home]: i see the folder is there but I could not manage to have it working yet. |
| 22:50.09 | Smace | [jelly-home]: how do i build it from source? |
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| 22:50.46 | jelly-home | Smace: unpack the source then continue as if it was a Debian source. |
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| 22:50.58 | liable | crille: do you have an Xsession.options file in /etc/X11 |
| 22:51.03 | liable | ? |
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| 22:51.41 | Smace | [jelly-home]: it's already unpacked. should I add it to debian repositoiries?? (apt-setup) |
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| 22:51.49 | crille | liable: yes |
| 22:51.59 | Cooner750 | Can anyone here help, or direct me to help on the error I am getting when trying to boot the GParted LiveCD? it states "Fatal Error: No Sceens Found" |
| 22:52.06 | jelly-home | Smace: no need to. |
| 22:52.13 | Cooner750 | and startx just repeats the error |
| 22:52.18 | Alam_Debian | how does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" knows about the monitor? |
| 22:52.30 | Smace | [Smace]: how do I "continue as it was a Debian source"? |
| 22:52.38 | jelly-home | Smace: do apt-get build-dep freeradius first. |
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| 22:53.19 | Guerin | Alam_Debian: various detection routines |
| 22:53.26 | Smace | [jelly-home]: done. next step ..? :) |
| 22:53.28 | intx | is there a doc somewhere on isapnp for kernel 2.6? |
| 22:53.37 | beardy | Cooner750: This is #debian. You have to ask in the channel, or other forum for support, for the distribution you are running. |
| 22:53.45 | jelly-home | hmm... what's the postgres devel package? |
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| 22:53.49 | Guerin | intx: what hardware are you trying to use? |
| 22:53.56 | Cooner750 | I cant find another channel for the GParted LiveCD or for X, what is causing the error |
| 22:53.56 | liable | crille: does it have allow-user-xsession in it? |
| 22:53.56 | Alam_Debian | How can I get the VSync and Hsync range of a new monitior? |
| 22:54.03 | Guerin | jelly-home: apt-cache search postgres dev |
| 22:54.10 | intx | Guerin: a USR robotics 56k modem.. do I need the isapnptools under kernel 2.6? |
| 22:54.10 | crille | liable: yes |
| 22:54.26 | jelly-home | Guerin: I sure feel stupid now. |
| 22:54.29 | abrotman | Alam_Debian: google |
| 22:54.31 | beardy | intx: Is it an internal modem? |
| 22:54.41 | intx | beardy: yeah, it's an ISA PNP modem |
| 22:54.43 | Guerin | intx: it probably has jumpers on it to set com port and possibly irq |
| 22:54.48 | jelly-home | Smace: also install postgresql-dev (apparently) |
| 22:54.48 | liable | crille: well, thats me out of ideas :P |
| 22:54.55 | crille | liable: doh! |
| 22:55.03 | intx | Guerin: what /dev is com2? |
| 22:55.14 | Guerin | intx: ttyS1 |
| 22:55.15 | abrotman | ttys1 |
| 22:55.20 | beardy | intx: /dev/ttyS1 |
| 22:55.23 | Smace | [jelly-home]: the problem I'm getting is about postgresql module for freeradius. so it a freeradius issue. |
| 22:55.29 | jetscreamer | 1==0 |
| 22:55.30 | Alam_Debian | I tried, I just want a way/program that will reports the (V/H)Sync Ranges of a monitor... |
| 22:55.32 | jetscreamer | remembar that |
| 22:55.39 | Smace | [jelly-home]: our postgresql is doing greayt, |
| 22:56.17 | jelly-home | Smace: well, if you want to rebuild freeradius with postgres support, you're going to have to install the devel package. |
| 22:56.20 | th0ger | Im trying to run 3ddesk, but have problems with DRI/hardwaere acceleration :( Im not very into it, so any kind of help is appreciated! |
| 22:56.24 | th0ger | glxinfo |grep rendering |
| 22:56.26 | th0ger | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:56.29 | th0ger | direct rendering: No |
| 22:56.57 | Smace | [jelly-home]: no problem about installing the devel package. just show me how. :) |
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| 22:57.13 | jelly-home | Smace: apt-get install postgresql-dev ? |
| 22:57.19 | Smace | oh |
| 22:57.36 | Lou80 | Sorry I've got a lame question: where about on packages.debian.org can I find the debian version of the kernel sources |
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| 22:57.44 | Lou80 | 2.6.17.9 |
| 22:58.10 | azeem | what's with 2.6.17.9? |
| 22:58.44 | azeem | Lou80: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-source-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 22:58.46 | Lou80 | nothing special what's the closest |
| 22:59.03 | liable | th0ger: do you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 22:59.04 | jelly-home | Smace: then go to the unpacked source tree and do "dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us", add " -rfakeroot" if you're not root. It's preferrable not to compile as root. |
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| 22:59.21 | Smace | [jelly-home]: I understand you but is there a way to build a debian package from freeradius.tar.gz? |
| 22:59.39 | Lou80 | azeem thanks i thought 2.6.17 would be stable |
| 22:59.46 | th0ger | liable: Yes |
| 22:59.58 | azeem | Lou80: what do you mean with "stable"? |
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| 23:00.16 | azeem | and why do you now no more think that is the case? |
| 23:00.16 | jelly-home | Smace: this is it. freeradius-*.tar.gz contains all the stuff needed to build packages for a Debian distro. |
| 23:00.17 | liable | th0ger: what card? |
| 23:00.25 | grendal_prime | hey i need to add a static route. |
| 23:00.27 | Lou80 | rather than in the testing and unstable sections |
| 23:00.29 | sid | azeem: Why does debian call it 2.6.17-6, but kernel.org says 2.6.17.10 |
| 23:00.38 | th0ger | liable: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] |
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| 23:00.47 | Smace | [jelly-home]: right. but what command should I use to build a debian package? |
| 23:00.48 | liable | th0ger: and radeon is loaded? |
| 23:00.53 | azeem | sid: in order to not change package names all the time |
| 23:00.53 | Lou80 | good question |
| 23:00.59 | th0ger | liable: Yes |
| 23:01.15 | jelly-home | Smace: I just told you, dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us |
| 23:01.22 | liable | th0ger: and dri in .conf? |
| 23:01.53 | sid | azeem: So 2.6.17-6 == 2.6.17.10 ? |
| 23:02.03 | Smace | dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us freeradius-1.1.2.deb ? |
| 23:02.09 | jelly-home | Smace: no |
| 23:02.13 | Smace | :( |
| 23:02.21 | azeem | sid: check the Debian changelog for specifics |
| 23:02.23 | jetscreamer | azeem change your nick to aziz so i can say 'aziz, light!' |
| 23:02.30 | jetscreamer | like i always want to |
| 23:02.31 | azeem | jetscreamer: no |
| 23:02.33 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 23:02.44 | th0ger | liable: i tried to load dri in xorg.conf, but "grep '(EE)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log" gives me a "RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI." |
| 23:02.48 | jelly-home | Smace: I didn't say that. I said go to the unpacked source directory, and run the command above. |
| 23:02.57 | liable | th0ger: oh |
| 23:03.12 | Smace | ITS SIMPLE :o) |
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| 23:03.47 | liable | th0ger: well, that would be why you dont have direct rendering.. :) |
| 23:04.11 | th0ger | liable: sure :) but how is it solved then |
| 23:04.15 | Verdin | How do you use an md5 checksum? |
| 23:04.17 | liable | th0ger: dunno :( |
| 23:04.34 | th0ger | liable: oh |
| 23:04.44 | abrotman | Verdin: you compare it to something |
| 23:04.51 | liable | th0ger: you have xfree or xorg? |
| 23:04.57 | th0ger | liable: xorg |
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| 23:04.59 | Verdin | As in, a file. |
| 23:05.00 | liable | th0ger: cause you say both ^^ |
| 23:05.09 | liable | th0ger: that log is from xfree |
| 23:05.10 | Verdin | I've go the file and I want to check the sum on it. How would I do that? |
| 23:05.15 | Verdin | got* |
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| 23:05.27 | sid | Thanks azeem |
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| 23:05.33 | jelly-home | Smace: when it's done, you should have a couple of *.deb files in the parent directory. |
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| 23:06.24 | jelly-home | Smace: you can put those into a local repository, or install them directly with dpkg. |
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| 23:06.32 | wwallace | !ntfs3g |
| 23:06.38 | wwallace | !ntfs-3g |
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| 23:06.45 | azeem | wwallace: please /msg dpkg |
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| 23:06.55 | Smace | dpkg -i filename.deb , right? |
| 23:06.59 | liable | wwallace: /msg dpkg listkeys ntfs |
| 23:07.04 | liable | meh |
| 23:07.09 | abrotman | the troll left already :) |
| 23:07.13 | azeem | drive-by botting |
| 23:07.28 | abrotman | because the kanotix bot doesn't have that info :) |
| 23:07.35 | liable | haha |
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| 23:08.28 | dasunt | Anyone know a command to get me a list of the model string off a batch of scsi drives? |
| 23:08.33 | Verdin | Nevermind, I've got it, lol. |
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| 23:08.51 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 23:08.51 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 23:09.07 | Shadowcat | abrotman: don't you ever sleep? |
| 23:09.23 | abrotman | Shadowcat: yes .. at night time .. duh |
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| 23:09.30 | dasunt | Interesting. |
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| 23:11.19 | jelly-home | Smace: I'd point you to our repo with 1.1.2 already built for i386 and amd64, but it's not accessible from outside *.hr. Building from source should be pretty straightforward though, if you got all the -dev packages installed. |
| 23:11.39 | flyingfeline | what's ubuntu? *giggles* |
| 23:11.46 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | *sighs* |
| 23:12.03 | Smace | [jelly-home]: it is compiling ... things seems fine now. |
| 23:12.18 | flyingfeline | sorry. under orders. |
| 23:12.25 | abrotman | stop trolling |
| 23:12.28 | th0ger | liable: I _is_ xorg, the correct log says "Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI". So your hint actually helped :) |
| 23:12.31 | flyingfeline | :D i'll stop bothering you now. |
| 23:12.37 | Lou80 | anyone here got a .config file for 2.6.17-6 for a powerbook g4? |
| 23:12.38 | Smace | [jelly-home]: what does *.hr mean? :) |
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| 23:12.48 | Lou80 | or know of a website which might have it |
| 23:12.54 | jelly-home | Smace: top level domain of my country. |
| 23:13.01 | robin_sz | 186k limited in the UK, worst ISP on the entire planet |
| 23:13.27 | abrotman | so get a new one |
| 23:13.29 | Pons | Lou80, ask ##linux or #kernel |
| 23:13.40 | Lou80 | ah thanks |
| 23:13.45 | Guerin | robin_sz: how much money/data per month? |
| 23:13.46 | abrotman | uh |
| 23:13.57 | abrotman | Pons: why would they have it .. that's a debian version number |
| 23:14.01 | robin_sz | abrotman, when you have an entire rack of colo'd machines, thats easier said than done |
| 23:14.03 | liable | th0ger: ah cool |
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| 23:14.13 | abrotman | robin_sz: abandon them! |
| 23:14.20 | th0ger | liable: restarting x |
| 23:14.23 | Pons | abrotman, oh.. i saw 2.6.17.6, not -6 |
| 23:14.23 | abrotman | Lou80: do you have that version installed ? |
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| 23:15.19 | Lou80 | no |
| 23:15.30 | Lou80 | only a 2.6.15 ubuntu |
| 23:15.44 | sid | thanks azeem |
| 23:15.47 | sussudio | ... |
| 23:15.52 | abrotman | Lou80: try #ubuntu ? |
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| 23:17.21 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 23:17.24 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 23:17.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 23:17.29 | Lou80 | would a ubuntu kernel work with debian? |
| 23:17.42 | Shadowcat | I don't know HOW MANY TIMES we have to say this |
| 23:17.45 | bkudria | i am trying to get my sl-modem to work...but kppp says "unable to connect to modem"...what is wrong? |
| 23:17.46 | Shadowcat | we don't support ubuntu |
| 23:17.52 | Shadowcat | if you want to run ubuntu, bug the people in #ubuntu |
| 23:18.02 | Lou80 | listen mate |
| 23:18.06 | intx | Guerin, beardy, thanks! |
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| 23:18.10 | azeem | Lou80: Ubuntu and Debian kernels are quite different |
| 23:18.16 | Lou80 | i've installing debian |
| 23:18.28 | liable | bkudria: is sl-modem-daemon running? |
| 23:18.29 | DaBlade | Nice job azeem |
| 23:18.32 | Lou80 | he asked a question i answered |
| 23:18.35 | azeem | Lou80: maybe you should describe your specific issues |
| 23:18.37 | azeem | DaBlade: hrm? |
| 23:18.38 | liable | bkudria: what module supports your modem? |
| 23:18.43 | DaBlade | azeem: For actually answering |
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| 23:18.47 | azeem | ah |
| 23:18.49 | DaBlade | azeem: Rather than sending him off to #ubuntu |
| 23:19.15 | bkudria | liable: it is... |
| 23:19.23 | Lou80 | yeah i like azzem |
| 23:19.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, ntfs-3g is see http://zakame.spunge.org/blog/2006/08/11/ntfs-3g-love/ |
| 23:19.24 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
| 23:19.28 | VictorI_ | arg, can't believe debian and ubuntu's install could not modprobe 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) properly |
| 23:19.29 | Lou80 | azeem :-) |
| 23:19.33 | bkudria | liable: although i just discovered that /dev/modem links to the nonexistant /dev/ttySL0 |
| 23:19.34 | VictorI_ | had to go with centos |
| 23:19.36 | Smace | [jelly-home]: I tried to send a private msg but it was not possible. Thank you for the help. it was very welcome. |
| 23:19.37 | VictorI_ | such a pitty |
| 23:19.43 | bkudria | liable: how can i create it? |
| 23:19.53 | Smace | [jelly-home]: everything is fine now. |
| 23:20.01 | liable | bkudria: do you know what module supports your modem? |
| 23:20.01 | abrotman | VictorI_: what motherboard? |
| 23:20.12 | Lou80 | is Shadowcat a bot? |
| 23:20.16 | Lou80 | :-) |
| 23:20.16 | jelly-home | Smace: cool, glad to have been of some help |
| 23:20.20 | VictorI_ | 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo PRO133x] (rev c4) |
| 23:20.21 | abrotman | Shadowcat: bite Lou80 |
| 23:20.21 | bkudria | liable: err, i thing |
| 23:20.27 | VictorI_ | ibm smp rack mount |
| 23:20.32 | bkudria | liable: i'm pretty sure it's a smartlink modem |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | VictorI_: uhm .. like an intel 9xx chipset? |
| 23:20.46 | VictorI_ | freebsd/netbsd detect it perfectly, however I needed a rackmount for oracle |
| 23:20.49 | bkudria | liable: i can send you my scanmodem output if you want |
| 23:20.49 | VictorI_ | this is old |
| 23:20.52 | VictorI_ | p3 833mhz smp box |
| 23:20.56 | jelly-home | Smace: we're running those freeradius 1.1.2 packages on some 200 machines, they apparently work well enough. ;-) |
| 23:21.01 | VictorI_ | internal oracle server |
| 23:21.03 | liable | bkudria: yeah, put it on a pastebot |
| 23:21.09 | Smace | [jelly-home]: are you an ISP? |
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| 23:21.18 | abrotman | VictorI_: and you couldn't get what to work? |
| 23:21.21 | jelly-home | Smace: academic network. |
| 23:21.22 | VictorI_ | nope |
| 23:21.26 | abrotman | what? |
| 23:21.27 | VictorI_ | modprobed the hell out of it |
| 23:21.28 | VictorI_ | nothing |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | did you try the sarge installer too ? |
| 23:21.38 | VictorI_ | e100 driver |
| 23:21.41 | VictorI_ | just did not work period |
| 23:21.52 | Lou80 | right I'm off to send half an hour with menuconfig... |
| 23:21.54 | Guerin | um, e100 is definitely in debian |
| 23:22.02 | VictorI_ | yet e100 driver works fine on centos's kernel |
| 23:22.11 | VictorI_ | Guerin yes and it definitely does not work |
| 23:22.15 | azeem | Lou80: you still haven't explained what your problem with Debian is |
| 23:22.21 | azeem | or if you have, you should restate it |
| 23:22.24 | abrotman | or debian's prepackaged kernel |
| 23:22.26 | VictorI_ | the card is in a rack mount with a side riser |
| 23:22.28 | bkudria | liable: http://pastebin.ca/145370 |
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| 23:22.43 | liable | bkudria: gimme a minute |
| 23:22.51 | VictorI_ | i really don't like the idea of going with a redhat based distro |
| 23:22.53 | Guerin | VictorI_: on a duaghterboard or something? |
| 23:22.54 | abrotman | so don't |
| 23:22.58 | VictorI_ | something like that |
| 23:23.02 | VictorI_ | so its angled sideways |
| 23:23.07 | bkudria | liable: all the time you want...thanks! |
| 23:23.11 | VictorI_ | its a 1u |
| 23:23.30 | Guerin | VictorI_: it'd guess it's the daughterboard which wasn't being detected or didn't have a module loaded or something |
| 23:23.45 | VictorI_ | mii and e100 were both loaded |
| 23:23.49 | VictorI_ | yet nothing worked |
| 23:24.02 | VictorI_ | lookng at the lsmod from centos - exactly that |
| 23:24.21 | Guerin | hm, funky |
| 23:24.35 | abrotman | he could ask the debian-kernel people |
| 23:24.40 | VictorI_ | ya total bummer, no way am I going to reinstall now |
| 23:24.43 | VictorI_ | this is work related |
| 23:24.55 | abrotman | reinstall! |
| 23:24.58 | abrotman | reinstall! |
| 23:25.38 | VictorI_ | well at least rpm distros have yum now, still the repo is piss poor compared to debains |
| 23:25.39 | azeem | abrotman: 4 is a charm |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | reinstall! |
| 23:25.59 | abrotman | azeem: i spaced them out |
| 23:26.05 | VictorI_ | vim is not in centos's repo.. the horror |
| 23:26.06 | azeem | evil |
| 23:26.15 | jelly-home | Smace: It is an ISP for students and university employees, so yes. |
| 23:26.30 | liable | bkudria: stop sl-modem-daemon and run it again, it doesnt give me any hints as to what might support your modem (other than its a nvidia) |
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| 23:27.30 | kantlivelong | hey all.. anyone know of a way i can unmount /tmp during runtime? |
| 23:28.11 | jelly-home | VictorI_: a pci riser shouldn't stop debian from detecting the card. does it show in lspci? |
| 23:28.17 | Guerin | kantlivelong: why would you? |
| 23:28.30 | VictorI_ | jelly ya |
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| 23:28.35 | VictorI_ | got 3 identical boxes |
| 23:28.40 | kantlivelong | Guerin: i wanna be able to switch from a ramfs /tmp to my main disk.. (this is for power management) |
| 23:28.43 | VictorI_ | freebsd sees it fine, same with netbsd |
| 23:28.52 | VictorI_ | centos kernel sure thing, deban and ubuntu no go |
| 23:29.02 | muaddib | I have a gigabyte 965 DS-3 motherboard and I am trying to configure my on board SATA ports which is using the intel chipset. I have the ata_piix module loaded and from the logs its looks like it sees the drives plugged into the port "SATA max UDMA /133 cmd 0xB400 ctl 0xB802 bmdma 0xC400 irq177". Right after that point it shows the following SATA link down (SStatus 0). Did I miss a setting or something I mean all the modules are load |
| 23:29.02 | VictorI_ | modprobed it still nada |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | send it to me! |
| 23:29.04 | muaddib | any ideas would be appreciated |
| 23:29.11 | jelly-home | VictorI_: centos might have patches for newer hardware. |
| 23:29.17 | Guerin | kantlivelong: well, if it's on a separate partition, you can just umount /tmp |
| 23:29.18 | VictorI_ | this is OLD hardware |
| 23:29.22 | VictorI_ | p3 833mhz xeons |
| 23:29.23 | bkudria | liable: with sl-modem-daemon stopped: http://pastebin.ca/145376 |
| 23:29.27 | VictorI_ | old old old |
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| 23:29.50 | Guerin | kantlivelong: it'll probably throw in-use errors though, which you'll notbe able to do much about |
| 23:30.03 | jelly-home | VictorI_: that _is_ strange. Then again, Centos might have patches for particular quirks of your motherboard. :-P ;-) |
| 23:30.13 | kantlivelong | Guerin: yeah it gives busy errors.. |
| 23:30.40 | VictorI_ | jelly-home still a pity I can't use a "maintainable" distribution |
| 23:30.41 | Guerin | kantlivelong: you can use -l, but that would fuck up whatever's currently in need to those files, which could have bizarre consequences |
| 23:30.45 | muaddib | any thoughts |
| 23:30.54 | Verdin | What's the pastebin address? |
| 23:30.55 | jelly-home | VictorI_: have you tried changing between 2.4 <-> 2.6 kernels? |
| 23:30.56 | VictorI_ | i guess this will be put behind a firewall just for oracle use |
| 23:30.59 | kantlivelong | Guerin: well if i copy from /tmp to the disk first? |
| 23:31.02 | VictorI_ | no |
| 23:31.06 | bkudria | liable: looks the same to me... |
| 23:31.10 | VictorI_ | went with 2.6 from the get go |
| 23:31.17 | Guerin | kantlivelong: you create race conditions then |
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| 23:31.32 | kantlivelong | Guerin: hmm... good point |
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| 23:32.01 | jelly-home | VictorI_: well, if nothing else you can take the kernel from Centos. ;-) |
| 23:32.27 | VictorI_ | actually I have done that before, debianize a distribution |
| 23:32.36 | VictorI_ | debootstrap works well |
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| 23:32.57 | liable | bkudria: yeah, what file is that? |
| 23:33.15 | Guerin | VictorI_: you might consider trying sarge with a different kernel |
| 23:33.32 | Guerin | VictorI_: like /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 23:33.34 | bkudria | liable: ModemData.txt |
| 23:33.41 | Verdin | http://axpr.net/?show=1101 <-- Can anyone help me with that. I've been trying to install a mud client and getting lib dependency errors. |
| 23:33.42 | VictorI_ | no point now, don't think my employer will want me wasting more time with this |
| 23:33.44 | bkudria | liable: do you need some other one? |
| 23:33.52 | VictorI_ | this box will just be regulated to oracle duties |
| 23:34.00 | VictorI_ | not going to even bother updating it |
| 23:34.15 | abrotman | Verdin: stop mixing |
| 23:34.20 | Verdin | Mixing? |
| 23:34.35 | liable | bkudria: that should be the one (i think) but its usually got more info in it than that. ask on the list, they are the guru's for modems |
| 23:34.38 | hjubal | bye |
| 23:34.46 | bkudria | liable: ok, I will... |
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| 23:34.50 | bkudria | liable: thanks! |
| 23:34.54 | liable | np |
| 23:35.12 | abrotman | Verdin: whereever you got kildclient .. it's not setup for debian sarge |
| 23:35.27 | Verdin | :/ |
| 23:35.38 | Verdin | So I can't use it at all? |
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| 23:36.06 | abrotman | well .. libfixes3 isn't in debian at all |
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| 23:36.19 | Guerin | no. Parts from a ford mustang won't work in your BMW |
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| 23:36.30 | Verdin | lol |
| 23:36.32 | abrotman | erm ... wait |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | help if i typed it correctly :) |
| 23:37.04 | abrotman | Verdin: that package is made for etch or sid .. certainly not sarge |
| 23:37.18 | peter_rabbit | abrotman, i unplugged computer by accident last time, can you have that built in function thing tell me how to edit the sources to add etch and dist upgrade etc.. |
| 23:37.21 | beardy | Guerin: Depends on your mechanical skills. |
| 23:37.25 | Verdin | Etch? Sid? |
| 23:37.30 | abrotman | !tell peter_rabbit about sarge->etch |
| 23:37.33 | Guerin | beardy: I was talking about HIS bmw. |
| 23:37.35 | abrotman | peter_rabbit: sure .. you want to be nice now :) |
| 23:37.41 | peter_rabbit | :-) |
| 23:37.47 | Verdin | Ah. |
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| 23:37.50 | Verdin | New release is Etch. |
| 23:37.55 | beardy | Guerin: hehe |
| 23:37.58 | abrotman | etch isn't released yet |
| 23:38.09 | Verdin | December? |
| 23:38.14 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 23:38.16 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00005.html |
| 23:38.28 | Verdin | aww |
| 23:38.31 | beardy | Verdin: SOme December perhaps yes. |
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| 23:39.09 | abrotman | !etch pool |
| 23:39.10 | dpkg | etch pool is probably Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | doh |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | !etch pool 1 |
| 23:39.14 | dpkg | etch pool 1 is, like, caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home |
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| 23:39.32 | abrotman | sure .. i'll just ping half the channel ... |
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| 23:39.55 | abrotman | hehe .. |
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| 23:40.39 | jelly-home | 2007-10?! |
| 23:40.57 | jelly-home | that's what I call a safe bet :-> |
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| 23:41.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's my bday |
| 23:41.19 | liable | jelly-home: not with debian :P |
| 23:41.44 | jelly-home | liable: what, less than 10 months delay? |
| 23:42.06 | liable | jelly-home: yeah :) |
| 23:42.12 | Verdin | Strange |
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| 23:42.25 | Verdin | I wanted to install the gnome-art package, and it suddenly wanted to Erase a bunch of packages. |
| 23:43.14 | Verdin | Basically, it wants to remove KDE XD. |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:44.09 | jelly-home | Verdin: gnome and kde are arch-enemies! |
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| 23:44.27 | jelly-home | there can be only one |
| 23:44.30 | Verdin | Why all of a sudden does it want to remove a bunch of packages though |
| 23:45.10 | Verdin | It wants to remove vim, xfonts-**** and a bunch of other stuff. |
| 23:45.21 | Verdin | Don't I need those |
| 23:45.21 | Verdin | :P |
| 23:45.23 | Lapmann | I'm writing some maildroprules to convert mail in iso-2022-jp to utf-8. it works fine except the subject, how can I convert it to quoted-printable? |
| 23:45.26 | grendelson | It's been a long time since I've had to twiddle with Wine settings on my Debian testing box. What is the preferred Debian method for checking the wine settings? |
| 23:45.27 | jelly-home | Verdin: maybe a relevant dependency hasn't propagated to etch yet |
| 23:45.33 | simonrvn | @lart abrotman |
| 23:45.42 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:45.44 | abrotman | !beer simonrvn |
| 23:45.46 | Verdin | jelly-home: Say what? |
| 23:46.00 | abrotman | grendelson: wine<tab><Tab> .. find it :) |
| 23:46.42 | grendelson | abrotman, It's not that... when I use the "standard" winecfg or something I alwasys get told here - No use "(insert other tool here)" instead... |
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| 23:47.33 | abrotman | winesetup ? |
| 23:47.37 | bkudria | liable: hmm, i just discovered that the init script doesn't start slmodemd, but if i start it manually ("sudo slmodemd --alsa -c USA hw:0,0"), everything works! how can i fix it? |
| 23:47.56 | jelly-home | Verdin: package A depends on B (>= new-b), packages C and D depend on old E, which depends on B (== old-b), and new version of E isn't in testing yet. apt wants to remove C, D, E. Is that confusing enough? |
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| 23:48.14 | jelly-home | !win me |
| 23:48.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 23:48.28 | matt____ | anyone installed steam |
| 23:48.47 | liable | bkudria: /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon |
| 23:49.02 | bkudria | liable: what about it? |
| 23:49.06 | liable | bkudria: read it |
| 23:49.37 | Verdin | Okay, so what's the best/easiest way to pimp out Gnome XD. |
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| 23:50.02 | Verdin | Download/install theme/icons/login manually? :) |
| 23:50.04 | ericP | huh, lots of 404s on http://ftp.fr.debian.org during an availabe-package update . anyone else see this? |
| 23:50.22 | grendelson | abrotman, That's probably it - I think most sites tell you to use winecfg or something - anyway it always bollocs up my files so I wanted to check here first... |
| 23:50.24 | grendelson | Thanks |
| 23:50.44 | bkudria | liable: i did...is set my country, as well as OPTS="--alsa hw:0,0" ...what else? FORCESTART ? |
| 23:51.41 | liable | bkudria: what is DONTSTART set as? |
| 23:52.02 | bkudria | 0 |
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| 23:52.12 | bkudria | liable: 0 ... |
| 23:52.33 | liable | bkudria: dont set the opts bit, you should have hw:1 in the DEV section |
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| 23:53.06 | bkudria | liable: what DEV section? |
| 23:53.34 | liable | bkudria: SLMODEMD_DEVICE= |
| 23:53.43 | bkudria | liable: i have to step out for a bit, can you wait 10 minutes? thanks... |
| 23:53.48 | ericP | also, i've lost the ability to watch my freebox's rtsp streams. i wonder if it's vlc, or a freebox getting wierd |
| 23:54.13 | Verdin | Fixed. |
| 23:54.13 | Verdin | :) |
| 23:54.19 | bkudria | liable: i have no such option... |
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| 23:54.57 | liable | bkudria: right, then you better get help in #ubuntu |
| 23:55.50 | Verdin | I think I'm having a major problem. Not sure. |
| 23:55.59 | Verdin | Is it normal for aptitude to suddenly want to remove a HUGE # of packages? |
| 23:56.36 | liable | Verdin: yes, it periodically cleans your system, maybe every three months.. |
| 23:56.54 | Verdin | Is it supposed to clean gdm due to dependency errors? |
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| 23:57.10 | abrotman | liable: eh? |
| 23:57.10 | liable | Verdin: no, i am joking! of course it isnt normal :) |
| 23:57.20 | Verdin | o.o |
| 23:57.23 | liable | !win me |
| 23:57.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:57.27 | Verdin | What have I done and how do I fix it :D |
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| 23:57.31 | liable | meh |
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| 23:59.16 | liable | Verdin: paste your output to a paster. have you mixed repos or pinned or something lately? |
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