| 00:06.45 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: python-gtk2-dev |
| 00:06.47 | jetx | you could go as a fat penguin |
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| 00:06.48 | webland | serta |
| 00:06.48 | webland | !list |
| 00:06.49 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to webland |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. classic rock and oldies ? |
| 00:06.49 | webland | io |
| 00:06.49 | jetx | serta sleeper mattress |
| 00:06.49 | webland | italia |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:06.51 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 00:06.51 | jetx | !it |
| 00:06.55 | jetx | gah |
| 00:06.59 | nvz | abrotman: the first year I went to the party they paid a dj I know to come do the party.. and the next year I found one of those giant floor-model tube radios in the back of their besement.. and ever since the tube radio and I have been rocking that party every year |
| 00:07.01 | streuner | abrotman is fast today :-) |
| 00:07.04 | webland | grassie |
| 00:07.04 | EnsignRedshirt | abrotman: Hmmm... I already have that package installed. |
| 00:07.16 | jetx | prego |
| 00:07.22 | cydork | streuner, or he is less drunk :) |
| 00:07.26 | alfadir | any cures to the broken xorg in unstable.. ? |
| 00:07.31 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:07.32 | RichiH | i need to make _absolutely_ sure that a user has _no_ lan/wan, usb, cdrom, whatever access. he must be locked into the box without the slightest chance of transferring stuff to the outside (not inside either, if possible). any strange pitfalls i should be aware of? |
| 00:07.32 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: ask #python if they know what it's looking for |
| 00:07.46 | jetx | xorg is broke? /me looks over at xorg in sid... |
| 00:07.50 | dring | ahem... which X package do I have to downgrade to fix X in unstable? |
| 00:07.51 | jetx | can't tell |
| 00:07.51 | webland | x ps2 xbox? |
| 00:07.55 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: make sure libgtk is installed also |
| 00:07.59 | EnsignRedshirt | abrotman: But I didn't have libgtk2.0-dev... |
| 00:08.00 | alfadir | jetx: see topic |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | and libglib |
| 00:08.01 | jetx | it doesn't look broke to me |
| 00:08.04 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: there you go! |
| 00:08.10 | jetx | and i just installed last night |
| 00:08.14 | dring | jetx: it is, unfortunately |
| 00:08.18 | beardy | cydork: I can't recall a drunk abrotman on irc.. |
| 00:08.26 | alfadir | jetx: according to the x maillist they happend to send experimental into sid..:P |
| 00:08.30 | jetx | heh |
| 00:08.30 | jetx | maybe they got rid of it in time to save me |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | beardy: it's happened .. but noone can tell .. dunno why |
| 00:08.32 | EnsignRedshirt | abrotman: Thanks for the help... it's building now. |
| 00:08.34 | abrotman | RichiH: are you freaking serious? |
| 00:08.38 | cydork | beardy, :) |
| 00:08.40 | RichiH | abrotman: yes |
| 00:08.42 | FalscherHase | Deformative: their config file is here: http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/slugos/trunk/slugos/openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox-1.01/defconfig |
| 00:08.55 | thegve | abrotman: Sorry, at home now, this is a server that is at my work. Just trying to get some hints. X output wasn't very interesting. "Matrox driver supporting (list of cards)" <new line> (EE) no devices detected |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | RichiH: so .. leave off the serial/parallel/usb/network |
| 00:09.20 | Deformative | Thanks FalscherHase. |
| 00:09.21 | jetx | other users? |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | thegve: we really need the log .. but mga should work .. this was sarge? |
| 00:09.22 | jetx | w/more privs? |
| 00:09.42 | RichiH | abrotman: i am talking about 20 letter bios passwords and seals taped over all screws |
| 00:09.50 | nvz | abrotman: not really oldies.. Ciss and them are old hippie/stoner type.. they listen to classic rock not really oldies |
| 00:09.56 | abrotman | thegve: http://xfree86.org/4.4.0/mga.4.html |
| 00:10.08 | FalscherHase | Deformative: they seem to use CONFIG_FEATURE_SH_IS_ASH=y; CONFIG_ASH=y, don't know if it's that |
| 00:10.19 | abrotman | RichiH: well .. make sure only input jacks are there .. nothing else |
| 00:10.21 | cydork | RichiH, i am interested in knowing who is the user?? :) |
| 00:13.19 | nvz | Cara called I was off talking on the phone... I cant seem to sit and talk when I get excited I have to move around :P |
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| 00:13.20 | jetx | yeah some user, all that but you stil gotta let him on |
| 00:13.20 | jetx | your kid? :) |
| 00:13.20 | abrotman | RichiH: seems to me you want only four things plugged in .. and capable of being plugged in .. kb/mouse/video/power |
| 00:13.20 | thegve | abrotman: Actually (sorry) ubuntu dapper. But there are only people asking about how the passwd command works in that channel... Asked a few times there and noone could help.. Sorry? |
| 00:13.20 | RichiH | cydork: someone proofreading stuff |
| 00:13.20 | abrotman | thegve: ah .. it's xorg then |
| 00:13.20 | RichiH | abrotman: laptop |
| 00:13.20 | streuner | RichiH: well, if you don't trust this *user*, i wouldn't give him an account anyway... |
| 00:13.20 | Deformative | FalscherHase, Prolly. I dunno, the version I was using didn't have a text configuration. |
| 00:13.21 | abrotman | thegve: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mga.4.html |
| 00:13.21 | thegve | abrotman: Yes |
| 00:13.21 | RichiH | streuner: it's not my setup |
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| 00:13.21 | abrotman | RichiH: break the PCMCIA slots |
| 00:13.22 | cydork | RichiH, or the modules :P |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | thegve: and unfortunately .. #debian really shouldn't help you any more .. #ubuntu is a better place .. but i will tell you that i noticed the other day that X in Dapper wsa busted badly |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | or rather .. i was told |
| 00:13.22 | jetx | heh |
| 00:13.22 | jetx | poser |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | RichiH: that does make it easier then .. you only need power .. everything else should be disabled |
| 00:13.22 | RichiH | yah |
| 00:13.22 | RichiH | cydork: that is an idea! |
| 00:13.23 | hans0lo | I've got a new pc. I've spent countless hours customizing debian over the past two years on my old PC. What would be the best way to retain all of that? Copy everything to the new machine, and then re-run the debian installer? Or is there a simpler way? |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | RichiH: so blacklist modules that drive things you don't want running |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | or turn them off in the BIOS .. or break them |
| 00:13.23 | cydork | RichiH, minimum supported kernel will do the most of it.. |
| 00:13.25 | RichiH | abrotman: blacklist? rm :) |
| 00:13.25 | RichiH | cydork: or that, yes |
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| 00:13.26 | abrotman | HULKSMASH LAPTOP OF RICHIH! |
| 00:13.26 | jetx | hans0lo: just put the hd in the new box and boot a live cd and cp -a, edit fstab and menu.lst |
| 00:13.27 | jetx | done |
| 00:13.27 | thegve | abrotman: I know I shouldn't have asked here. Sorry for that, the average knowledge level is a bit higher here though, and I've been having this problem for a while. I think i'll try and play with the chipset setting. Hopefully that will make some difference. |
| 00:13.30 | hans0lo | jetx: k, will it find the new chipset and everything on first startup, or will I need to run something? |
| 00:13.30 | jetx | hans0lo: or, /msg dpkg reinstall, then cp /home |
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| 00:13.31 | abrotman | thegve: it really should work .. Matrox used to be very F/OSS friendly |
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| 00:13.32 | beardy | hans0lo: Now you know how you want it, backup your homedirectory, and your /etc, and perhaps your status of installed packages, install cleanly, and setup things again, use your old /etc as reference, only messes things up if you try to replace the whole one. |
| 00:13.33 | testtt | how can i disable my identd ? |
| 00:13.33 | jetx | hans0lo: as long as it's a decent kernel with support for the new box should be ok unless you hacked on udev or something |
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| 00:13.35 | testtt | it uses my username as an ident, how can i avoid this? |
| 00:13.36 | streuner | testtt: remove the package? |
| 00:13.36 | hans0lo | Allright, thanks guys(gals) |
| 00:13.36 | jetx | see alo reinstall |
| 00:13.36 | thegve | abrotman: You are also saying "used to be", I thought matrox was near dead... But I checked and there are Matrox chips in all HP proliant servers nearly.. |
| 00:13.37 | jetx | !tell hans0lo -about reinstall |
| 00:13.39 | jetx | the second part |
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| 00:13.40 | thegve | abrotman: Strange how I could be mistaken in this one... |
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| 00:13.41 | abrotman | thegve: no .. they used to be .. the newer matrox stuff has binary-only drivers .. they're still kicking |
| 00:13.41 | abrotman | thegve: i mean the newer workstation cards .. the Parhelia stuff |
| 00:13.42 | abrotman | !matrox |
| 00:13.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufactures, *cough*nVidia*cough*...... of course, drivers for any card built this millenium are binary-only for obsolete versions of Red Hat |
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| 00:13.43 | abrotman | jetx: stop crying or i'll send you to live with streuner! |
| 00:13.43 | cydork | !beer jetx |
| 00:13.43 | thegve | dpkg: Intel has announced to open source it's graphics drivers |
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| 00:13.44 | RichiH | abrotman: heh |
| 00:13.44 | testtt | streuner: how come it uses my username as an ident? |
| 00:21.07 | cydork | jetx, forget coffee :P |
| 00:21.08 | RichiH | cydork: but yah, your suggestion is superb |
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| 00:21.11 | AcuraX | How does debian run 2with ntfs-3g? |
| 00:21.16 | jetx | can't i'm a coffee addict... and on my way... |
| 00:21.16 | abrotman | thegve: dpkg is a bot |
| 00:21.20 | thegve | And I've got little problem with intel's chips out of the debian box anyway... |
| 00:21.20 | streuner | testtt: you logged into the system with your username? |
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| 00:21.24 | raziels | hello |
| 00:21.27 | testtt | streuner: yes |
| 00:21.35 | raziels | do you know any command line tool for translating text? |
| 00:21.35 | testtt | streuner: it used not to be like that |
| 00:21.39 | streuner | what irc-client do you use? |
| 00:21.40 | thegve | abrotman: DOH, it's getting late |
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| 00:21.44 | testtt | streuner: xchat |
| 00:21.45 | streuner | well, you can change that in X-Chat always |
| 00:21.47 | testtt | streuner: i did |
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| 00:21.50 | Deformative | FalscherHase, Version 1.01 is awsome. |
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| 00:21.59 | Deformative | Thanks a bunch. |
| 00:21.59 | testtt | streuner: but it still uses my username as an ident |
| 00:22.03 | raziels | does anyone know any command line tool for translating text? |
| 00:22.05 | FalscherHase | Deformative: great! pleasure |
| 00:22.07 | streuner | testtt: dpkg -l | grep ident |
| 00:22.07 | testtt | ii libdiscover2 2.0.7-2.1 hardware identification library |
| 00:22.08 | testtt | ii libident 0.22-3 simple RFC1413 client library - runtime |
| 00:22.15 | testtt | ii pidentd 3.0.18-2 TCP/IP IDENT protocol server with DES suppor |
| 00:22.16 | streuner | !info pidentd |
| 00:22.18 | dpkg | pidentd: (TCP/IP IDENT protocol server with DES support), section net, is standard. Version: 3.0.19.ds1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 00:22.23 | thegve | raziels: interglot.com ? |
| 00:22.24 | testtt | i don't care if i have an identd of not, i just don't want it using my username as an ident |
| 00:22.27 | streuner | just remove the package |
| 00:22.27 | testtt | or* |
| 00:22.29 | thegve | or a tool as in application... |
| 00:22.30 | jetx | fuck...rain |
| 00:22.34 | testtt | streuner: do i need it? |
| 00:22.38 | streuner | only for some irc servers |
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| 00:22.47 | testtt | ic |
| 00:22.49 | nvz | most BIOS only support like 6 letter passwords and tapin the screws isnt fooling anyone |
| 00:22.54 | thegve | raziels: I should read better, you say command line tool |
| 00:22.57 | thegve | No... Build an interglot parser in a scripting language? :P |
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| 00:22.59 | testtt | nice |
| 00:23.00 | testtt | it worked |
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| 00:23.02 | testtt | i removed the package |
| 00:23.02 | raziels | thegve: yes |
| 00:23.06 | raziels | thegve: sorry for my english,I'm spanish |
| 00:23.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:23.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:23.16 | raziels | there's no one in #debian-es who can help me |
| 00:23.17 | streuner | !tell raziels about ask |
| 00:23.19 | thegve | raziels: I'm dutch, sorry for my English too... Guess most nationalities are represented here.. |
| 00:23.19 | streuner | myspell? |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | iconv ? |
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| 00:23.28 | streuner | wth is iconv? |
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| 00:23.47 | jetx | i'm sorry for my english too... i'm american. |
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| 00:23.52 | jetx | and my dutch really sucks |
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| 00:24.21 | abrotman | streuner: i guess it's not a translator though |
| 00:37.06 | Pirate-King | looking for a distro that will work on a p200 128 megs of ram |
| 00:37.06 | streuner | there is babelfish, but that's with a GUI too |
| 00:37.10 | streuner | !d-i Pirate-King |
| 00:37.11 | dpkg | Pirate-King, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:37.12 | streuner | Pirate-King: and read /msg dpkg ig |
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| 00:37.15 | streuner | 128 MB RAM is just fine |
| 00:37.19 | Pirate-King | ok |
| 00:37.20 | warnk | lol. i've run on much less |
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| 00:37.22 | seb- | how save alsa settings? |
| 00:37.22 | Pirate-King | what kind of gui???? |
| 00:37.23 | seb- | seb-: i saved them with kmix |
| 00:37.23 | streuner | Pirate-King: nm, that was for somebody who want a translator for cli |
| 00:37.31 | streuner | seb-: aumix? |
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| 00:37.34 | Pirate-King | holly crap Im just a newbee at this |
| 00:38.00 | seb- | streuner: should i install that? kmix is only gui i got to work but it had no save option |
| 00:38.09 | streuner | we were that before too ... |
| 00:38.10 | streuner | seb-: why not? |
| 00:38.12 | seb- | streuner: is that for alsa? |
| 00:38.16 | streuner | sure |
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| 00:38.19 | seb- | streuner: ok, done...i'll try now |
| 00:38.20 | streuner | some people think aumix is only for OSS, that's wrong. |
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| 00:38.36 | Ursinha | #thinkgeek |
| 00:38.43 | Pirate-King | ok you gurus I got windows 2k on it right now pretty slow and can I install the i386 iso from a network drive ? |
| 00:38.43 | seb- | streuner: how save in aumix? |
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| 00:38.52 | streuner | seb-: just try it |
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| 00:39.04 | abrotman | seb-: just quit |
| 00:39.15 | thegve | Pirate-King: You could try damn small linux. I guess this will be quite fast too.. |
| 00:39.26 | seb- | streuner: ho get default settings in aumix back? i did something to move all to zero |
| 00:39.26 | Pirate-King | ok had a hard time to locate the iso |
| 00:39.44 | streuner | seb-: hm, just pressing (S) in aumix is enough for me |
| 00:40.00 | seb- | streuner: yea, that works |
| 00:40.11 | seb- | streuner: thanks |
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| 00:41.05 | smarcow | im using kernel-image 2.6.16, do these include framebuffer support? |
| 00:41.09 | tuxedup | where are the iptables rules held on the system? |
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| 00:41.12 | maru | hmm, so what's the current status of gcc-doc in unstable now? |
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| 00:41.23 | FalscherHase | tuxedup: in memory |
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| 00:41.29 | tuxedup | I mean,are the rules held somewhere on disk, so I can back them up to put on another system? |
| 00:41.29 | Cooner750 | Is my flash problem in Debian, with the video getting out of sync with the audio Adobe's problem or is it a problem with my sound system? |
| 00:41.30 | cydork | tuxedup, iptables -L |
| 00:41.37 | abrotman | Cooner750: flash sucks .. get used to it |
| 00:41.39 | jnguy[w] | cydork: nice choice of words. |
| 00:48.08 | Cooner750 | Worked fine in windows.. |
| 00:48.08 | tuxedup | cydork: that outputs nothing |
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| 00:48.18 | cydork | jnguy[w], why you didnt like it ?? :) |
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| 00:48.19 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 00:48.20 | cydork | tuxedup, man iptables |
| 00:48.23 | jnguy[w] | sid, victims :) |
| 00:48.25 | jnguy[w] | (toy story?) |
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| 00:48.33 | cydork | jnguy[w], :) |
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| 00:48.36 | nvz | I was kind of like sid as a child.. except I only destroyed things to see how they worked.. not just for the enjoyment of breaking them |
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| 00:48.42 | tuxedup | cydork: that does not say the directory the iptables config files are held, all II want to know is where they are held so I can abck them up for use on other installs of Debian without having to set them up by hand each time. |
| 00:48.45 | Hoxzer | :( may I ask how old are u guys (just interested) |
| 00:48.48 | jnguy[w] | 18 |
| 00:48.50 | Hoxzer | me too :( |
| 00:48.50 | jnguy[w] | where are you located? |
| 00:48.52 | Hoxzer | finland |
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| 00:48.52 | Hoxzer | u? |
| 00:48.52 | jnguy[w] | not a bad age |
| 00:48.52 | jnguy[w] | United States. |
| 00:48.53 | jnguy[w] | bad age. |
| 00:48.53 | Hoxzer | :( I see nothing special in it |
| 00:48.53 | Hoxzer | But I'm a nolife anyway |
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| 00:48.53 | abrotman | jnguy[w]: freshman eh? |
| 00:48.53 | jnguy[w] | rock on. |
| 00:48.53 | dmc | I'm 20 and from Finland too |
| 00:48.53 | nvz | eww I should have drank milk. cheese and iced tea dont clash well |
| 00:48.54 | jnguy[w] | at least you can drink in finland at 18 |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | you can too ... |
| 00:48.54 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 00:48.54 | jnguy[w] | abrotman: How old, and where? |
| 00:48.54 | Hoxzer | jnguy[w]: :D yeah, but the problem is, I dont drink |
| 00:48.54 | jnguy[w] | I suppose? |
| 00:48.55 | Hoxzer | I only use comps |
| 00:48.55 | nvz | Hoxzer: you will dehydrate if you dont drink |
| 00:48.55 | Shadur | Okay, downgrading xserver-xorg-core and restarting gdm worked. |
| 00:48.55 | Hoxzer | nvz: :D |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | jnguy[w]: are we going on a date/ |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:48.55 | jnguy[w] | hahaha. |
| 00:48.55 | jnguy[w] | abrotman: Are you asking? |
| 00:48.55 | jnguy[w] | :) |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | not likely |
| 00:48.56 | cydork | tuxedup, take a look at iptables-save/restore |
| 00:48.56 | jnguy[w] | touche? |
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| 00:49.59 | jnguy[w] | impressive. |
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| 00:50.26 | abrotman | grr |
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| 00:50.29 | eldowon | grrOWL |
| 00:50.30 | jnguy[w] | grrEAT |
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| 00:55.56 | CixxtyNine | I got a little question |
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| 00:56.03 | abrotman | just one? |
| 00:56.04 | smarcow | how do i get vesafb into my 2.6.16 debian kernel-image? |
| 00:56.08 | CixxtyNine | how to make the font (at the begenning) console smaller |
| 00:56.09 | CixxtyNine | and cleaner |
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| 00:56.20 | eldowon | CixxtyNine: the booting / initial console font> |
| 00:56.20 | eldowon | ? |
| 00:56.21 | CixxtyNine | ys |
| 00:56.21 | CixxtyNine | I mean |
| 00:56.21 | CixxtyNine | the first login console |
| 00:56.21 | CixxtyNine | :P |
| 00:56.21 | eldowon | are you using grub or lilo? |
| 00:56.22 | CixxtyNine | tty0 |
| 00:56.22 | CixxtyNine | grub |
| 00:56.22 | jnguy[w] | bootsplash! |
| 00:56.22 | eldowon | what resolution do you normally operate at? |
| 00:56.22 | jnguy[w] | ? |
| 00:56.22 | beardy | CixxtyNine: Perhaps you mean to switch VGA mode, or framebuffer mode. |
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| 00:56.24 | eldowon | beardy: Thats what I'm about to help him with |
| 00:56.24 | beardy | CixxtyNine: append vga=ask to the kernel at boot. |
| 00:56.24 | CixxtyNine | I normally operate at 1400x1050 |
| 00:56.24 | beardy | eldowon: Carry on. |
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| 00:56.26 | CixxtyNine | beardy |
| 00:56.27 | CixxtyNine | I append that to my menu.lst file? |
| 00:56.27 | Jdeb | does anyone know of a cheap (free) site that I can alias my ip address to something like www.etc |
| 00:56.28 | beardy | CixxtyNine: Yes, on the line that has all appends, or the line with things to append just one kernel, the one you are using. |
| 00:56.28 | beardy | to append to just one* |
| 00:56.28 | name | no DAMMIT |
| 00:56.28 | name | why cant i get libxvidcore4-dev |
| 00:56.28 | tuxedup | Jdeb: http://www.no-ip.com/ have free and paid services to do that |
| 00:56.29 | Jdeb | tuxedup: thanks |
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| 00:56.29 | Bagoor | (Offtopic) is there anyone from austria here ? |
| 00:56.29 | name | ill drop anything and install a ubuntu version of it |
| 00:56.29 | eldowon | CixxtyNine: on the kernel line of your menu.list, you would do vga=<vga code> http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2004-October/030438.html |
| 00:56.30 | name | Bagoor: meee |
| 00:56.30 | _rynz- | wtf is the purpose of alot of irc severs (diff networks) all doing netsplits, mass parts, mass joins, wtf is the cause and need for it |
| 00:56.30 | name | servers going down? |
| 00:56.30 | streuner | Bagoor: /j #debian.de |
| 00:56.30 | Bagoor | streuner, I don't know german :) so didn't go there |
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| 00:56.30 | _rynz- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
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| 00:56.31 | name | how can i force dpkg to install a deb even though it has errors? |
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| 00:56.32 | streuner | what package, and what version of debian? |
| 00:56.32 | name | sid |
| 00:56.32 | name | doesn't matter |
| 00:56.32 | name | just FORCE |
| 00:56.32 | streuner | sound like bobbitt |
| 00:56.33 | name | :) |
| 00:56.34 | name | i just wanna force it, it's might gonna break everything |
| 00:56.34 | name | i do not mind |
| 00:56.34 | name | i need it |
| 00:56.37 | streuner | well, we do |
| 00:56.37 | streuner | name: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:59.01 | name | i just wanna force dpkg to install a .deb |
| 00:59.04 | eldowon | W00t! |
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| 00:59.06 | stew | name: show us the actual errors you are getting, use a pastebin, /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:59.07 | eldowon | name: If you understand that thins WILL break, extract the deb file and install it manually? |
| 00:59.09 | spldart | Is it just me or does windows and it's apps develop 'memory leaks' way easier than linux? |
| 00:59.09 | name | dont care about my system dog |
| 00:59.10 | name | dont care about my system doh |
| 00:59.13 | streuner | well, you make your problem actually to our problem, so don't say you aren't care |
| 00:59.16 | name | got it |
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| 00:59.17 | name | --force-depends |
| 00:59.21 | name | I did just install a ubuntu package on my sid, may god forgive me ;) |
| 00:59.23 | name | it worked! |
| 00:59.24 | name | it did |
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| 00:59.27 | stew | name: next time you try to use the packaging system it will resume the complaining about the missing dependency |
| 00:59.27 | streuner | well, its installed, that doesn't mean there aren't any other problems then... |
| 00:59.31 | cydork | name, now be ready to face the conseqences :) |
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| 00:59.40 | name | lol |
| 00:59.41 | Cybodog | I do not have sata, but am curious, what is the first HD connected to a sata controller called in linux? |
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| 00:59.42 | montoya | this morning I have execute an apt-get upgrade, but the server X is died :( |
| 00:59.43 | cydork | Cybodog, depends on kernel i guess :) |
| 00:59.43 | name | dooh |
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| 00:59.44 | montoya | yes... |
| 00:59.44 | Cybodog | montoya in the topic today it says NOT to install xsever from sid. |
| 00:59.44 | name | this package doesnt do it's job too |
| 00:59.44 | stew | montoya: if you are on unstable, this is expected, (which is why it is in the /topic) |
| 00:59.46 | Cybodog | montoya, are you running nvidia or ati? |
| 00:59.46 | montoya | sid and ATI |
| 00:59.46 | montoya | but the problem now isn't |
| 01:02.22 | montoya | I delete xorg and unstable repos |
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| 01:02.23 | montoya | and after install xorg (testing) and server X is ok :P |
| 01:02.23 | Cybodog | cydork, in general what is the naming scheme for sata in the 2.6 series ? |
| 01:02.23 | eldowon | CixxtyNine: Did you get your console font reduced to your satisfaction? |
| 01:02.24 | cydork | Cybodog, it will be sda |
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| 01:02.24 | Cybodog | montoya, so your X works now? |
| 01:02.24 | Cybodog | cydork, thanks |
| 01:02.26 | montoya | yes! |
| 01:02.26 | Cybodog | montoya, phew |
| 01:02.26 | montoya | I'm on my kde |
| 01:02.26 | montoya | phew? |
| 01:02.27 | montoya | emh,,, I'm italian |
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| 01:02.27 | Cybodog | montoya phew, it is working, the sound you make when you exhale while holding your breath waiting for BIG news |
| 01:02.27 | thebanana | what's the preferred method for installing a python egg in debian? |
| 01:02.27 | _rynz- | montoya |
| 01:02.27 | _rynz- | I hear italian plumbers smell like BO |
| 01:02.27 | _rynz- | :) |
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| 01:02.28 | cydork | !lart _rynz- |
| 01:02.28 | montoya | azz |
| 01:02.28 | thebanana | i'm looking for a way to reconcile source packages that use ez-setup with dpkg |
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| 01:02.29 | montoya | xgl on kde with debian sid??? |
| 01:02.29 | Cybodog | montoys, "as in, you are NOT pregnant" "phew!" Sorry, did not mean to give you an English idiom |
| 01:02.29 | montoya | and whit ati readeon |
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| 01:02.30 | montoya | I'm very void? |
| 01:02.30 | deadcat | montoya: no |
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| 01:02.31 | Cybodog | montoya, , it shows RELIEF at the news, you are happy to hear it. I was happy to hear you have working X. |
| 01:02.31 | montoya | aaaah |
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| 01:02.32 | montoya | there are italian user in this chan? |
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| 01:02.32 | jeward | Is this the right place to get help debugging rsync from one debian box to another? |
| 01:02.32 | deadcat | aiglx should be in unstable very soon. its already in experimental |
| 01:02.33 | deadcat | jeward: just ask |
| 01:02.33 | jeward | I am trying to get backupc working, but the rsync just seems to sit there and never transmit any data. |
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| 01:02.33 | jeward | backuppc |
| 01:02.33 | smarcow | i need to compile a program that is not in the repository (rename) and install gcc but it says "cannot create executables". do i miss another package? |
| 01:02.33 | cydork | montoya, i m in italy atm but not italian :) |
| 01:02.33 | smarcow | installed* |
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| 01:02.34 | deadcat | !find rename |
| 01:02.34 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'rename' (5): ifrename ;; krename ;; mp3rename ;; mrename ;; renameutils. |
| 01:02.34 | smarcow | deadcat, its not there |
| 01:02.34 | stew | !b-e smarcow |
| 01:02.34 | dpkg | smarcow: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 01:02.34 | montoya | cydork: :D |
| 01:02.34 | smarcow | thanks stew |
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| 01:02.37 | stew | smarcow: debian ships a rename program in the perl package, what is the one you are compiling going to do that you can't do with that one? |
| 01:02.37 | jeward | I see the rsync running on the host to be backed up: /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group --devices --links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive --exclude=/proc --ignore-times . / |
| 01:02.38 | jeward | But nothing happens. |
| 01:03.26 | smarcow | stew, i just figured out the syntax of "rename" and dont want to learn a new one :p. i want to rename foo1, foo2.. to foo001, foo002 |
| 01:03.29 | deadcat | smarcow: he was saying rename is IN the perl package.. |
| 01:03.29 | smarcow | oh... i will look |
| 01:03.31 | jeward | Nevermind, the backup is done. :-) |
| 01:03.31 | nvz | smarcow: is that consistant i.e. all files are named foo[digit].ext |
| 01:03.32 | montoya | ok... I have a kdm with debian, but the internal font is not good |
| 01:03.32 | montoya | why? |
| 01:03.32 | smarcow | nvz, yes |
| 01:03.33 | smarcow | nvz, scanning books |
| 01:03.33 | montoya | do you have a kdm with kde? |
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| 01:03.37 | Witigone1 | Hey - I've got a server running lighttpd and using an old version of php5. How can I upgrade php via apt without installing apache, etc.? |
| 01:03.38 | streuner | if the depends of php say, you need apache you are out of luck |
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| 01:03.39 | cafuego | Witigone1: php-cgi ought not depend on apache. |
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| 01:03.40 | epsilon | or you install a faked empty apache package |
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| 01:03.40 | streuner | or just don't use it, means you just don't start it |
| 01:03.40 | epsilon | BTW what do you mean with "old version of php5"? php5 isn't even in Sarge |
| 01:03.41 | streuner | prolly dotdeb |
| 01:03.41 | Witigone1 | Actually running unstable |
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| 01:03.42 | Witigone1 | This isn't a production server :) |
| 01:03.42 | Cooner750 | is there anything I can do about the fonts in Debian to make them look any better? It seems like there aren't nearly enough fonts |
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| 01:03.43 | struct | greetings comrads! |
| 01:04.17 | epsilon | tell the php5 maintainer to include lighttpd (if it#s a debian package) in the dependency list |
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| 01:04.18 | Witigone1 | Lighttpd was installed by... um... how did I install it... I don't even remember now. Probably not from apt. |
| 01:04.19 | streuner | Witigone1: why not just using apache? |
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| 01:04.20 | Witigone1 | I'd rather not migrate from lighty. |
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| 01:04.23 | cjones | what program should i use to convert a xvid to dvd format? |
| 01:04.23 | grendal_prime | ok im tring to get an uptime reading with proc/uptime..but its in ...like epoc seconds? |
| 01:04.24 | grendal_prime | or something im not familiar with |
| 01:04.24 | Hoxzer | How do I check my network usage (as kB/s if possible) in command line |
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| 01:04.26 | grendal_prime | iftop |
| 01:04.26 | grendal_prime | Hoxzer, |
| 01:04.26 | grendal_prime | thats a live running app. |
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| 01:04.27 | nvz | Hoxzer: ifconfig shows it as well |
| 01:04.27 | cydork | grendal_prime, it's in seconds do man proc for more info |
| 01:04.28 | devicenull | Is etch 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 01:04.29 | cydork | devicenull, by default it's 2.6 |
| 01:04.29 | devicenull | ok, thx |
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| 01:05.02 | strange_stone | Hello :) |
| 01:05.02 | Hoxzer | Hello |
| 01:05.03 | cjones | hi |
| 01:05.04 | Hoxzer | :( |
| 01:05.04 | Hoxzer | I should go sleep, it is 1am here and I have school tomorrow 8:25 o'clock |
| 01:05.05 | nvz | yeah go to bed.. heh |
| 01:05.06 | jnguy[w] | young boys(?) should get their rest. |
| 01:05.06 | nvz | I am about to do the same.. I got to work at 11 and its already after 6 |
| 01:05.06 | Hoxzer | jnguy[w]: :| |
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| 01:05.07 | jnguy[w] | :) |
| 01:05.07 | jnguy[w] | I would love to sleep. |
| 01:05.08 | nvz | I was waiting on a delivery though.. now that I got my trees I am gonna make it all foggy in here :P |
| 01:05.08 | Hoxzer | Yeah, but I have some real sleeping problems for example today I got sleep 8 P.M but then I woke up lik 11-12 o'clock |
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| 01:05.09 | Hoxzer | like P.M |
| 01:05.09 | jnguy[w] | nvz: What country? |
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| 01:05.09 | Hoxzer | and here I am now |
| 01:05.10 | nvz | United States of Embarassment |
| 01:05.11 | jnguy[w] | lol |
| 01:05.11 | jnguy[w] | California? |
| 01:05.13 | nvz | nope, wild and wonderful West By Golly Virginia, almost heaven.. |
| 01:05.14 | jnguy[w] | ahh. |
| 01:05.14 | jnguy[w] | Virginia. |
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| 01:05.14 | jnguy[w] | I assumed from the foggyness :) |
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| 01:05.16 | nvz | the slogan used to be Wild and wonderful west virginia, I go to dallas for a few months and now its West Virginia, Almost heaven |
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| 01:05.17 | jnguy[w] | New York City to San Diego, almost the same. |
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| 01:05.25 | JamieIdevs | Hello |
| 01:05.29 | fluvvell | anyone know how to "see" exactly what settings are on offer from a dhcp server? |
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| 01:07.05 | jlaw | lol ... united states of embarassement, huh?-) |
| 01:07.05 | jnguy[w] | right on |
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| 01:07.06 | jlaw | does it really matter if we are from the us, europe or whereever |
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| 01:07.08 | jlaw | we're all debian !-) |
| 01:07.09 | cydork | jlaw, you are damn right about that :) |
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| 01:07.11 | Cooner750 | How can I remove Abiword that the Desktop Enviroment install of Debian installs, so I can upgrade it with a newer version? (Using the installer from Abiword's website, it works but fails because "file exists") |
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| 01:07.13 | cydork | Cooner750, if you are using sarge then check backports for newer version |
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| 01:07.14 | hjubal | bye |
| 01:07.14 | dnanar | could anyone tell me what version of xserver is good for unstable please ? |
| 01:07.14 | Cooner750 | cydork: how do I do that? |
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| 01:07.15 | cydork | !bpo |
| 01:07.15 | dpkg | i guess backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 01:08.28 | kantlivelong | "[ -z $(busybox | grep $x) ]" does this look ok? |
| 01:08.28 | kantlivelong | i keep gettin erros about it |
| 01:08.29 | dnanar | anyone has an idea please ? |
| 01:08.30 | danix | Cooner750 generally stick with debian packages as a user.. its much better. you can experiment using www.apt-get.org (look in browser, search abiword) or see http://www.backports.org/ but i would use debian packages... |
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| 01:08.31 | plb | Is that fix for X in unstable yet? |
| 01:08.31 | dnanar | no |
| 01:08.31 | plb | damn |
| 01:08.31 | dnanar | yes |
| 01:08.31 | dnanar | ;-p |
| 01:08.32 | dnanar | you are using irc client based on console too ? ;-p |
| 01:08.32 | jlaw | erm |
| 01:08.32 | plb | was...i installed testing so I'm in x now |
| 01:08.32 | jlaw | danar ... i use xorg 7 |
| 01:08.32 | jlaw | comes with etch |
| 01:08.33 | danix | i am just now testing them :) rhapsody is very nice |
| 01:08.33 | danix | (nice irc client) |
| 01:08.33 | plb | which X pkg is it that is messed up? |
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| 01:08.34 | panthera | can somebody please update dpkg? |
| 01:08.34 | dnanar | plb: Xorg 7.1.1 is bad |
| 01:08.34 | panthera | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.34 | panthera | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.35 | plb | that sucks |
| 01:08.35 | panthera | this is no longer true |
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| 01:08.36 | dnanar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.36 | dnanar | *exact version |
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| 01:08.36 | plb | dnanar: the one in testing works |
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| 01:08.37 | grell | Hello, is there a way to update my entire sarge system to etch except for X? I have had unresolved problems with the Xorg on Debian etch and would like to keep the Xserver from sarge around. |
| 01:08.37 | dnanar | but, what is it ? ;-p |
| 01:08.39 | plb | 1 mo |
| 01:08.40 | plb | 1.7.0.22 |
| 01:08.41 | Guerin | grell: probably not possible due to lib conflicts |
| 01:08.41 | plb | kinda funny...ubuntu's broke a few days ago and deb unstable |
| 01:08.41 | Guerin | grell: the way I'd do it is to keep the packages around, remove x, upgrade and try to reinstall the old x |
| 01:08.41 | plb | except ubuntu is supposed to be stable |
| 01:08.41 | Guerin | grell: if it won't work, though, you'll need to reinstall or upgrade wholesale to etch/sid |
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| 01:08.41 | dnanar | grell: long time ago, i have problem with x while updating stable>testing. i solve them by comparing the list of module (lsmod) of stable debian with the list of module of testing debian. modprobe all the module who are not in testing debian and who are in stable debian. |
| 01:08.41 | dnanar | plb: ok thx trying... |
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| 01:08.42 | plb | the fix is supposed to be in incoming |
| 01:08.42 | dnanar | erf erf.... does anyone know how to get all the possible version of a packet please ? "apt-get install xserver-xorg=1.7.0.22" > dont find |
| 01:08.42 | dnanar | ? |
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| 01:08.43 | helo | can anyone point me to some info in having multiple versions of gcc installed, particularly how to tell kdevelop which one to use |
| 01:08.43 | jnguy[w] | em space en space and other ttfs aren't displaying right in firefox |
| 01:08.43 | jnguy[w] | anyone with any idea? |
| 01:08.43 | jnguy[w] | helo: I don't know the official way |
| 01:08.43 | jlaw | danar: just install xserver-xorg |
| 01:09.22 | jnguy[w] | but you can change the symlink |
| 01:09.22 | jnguy[w] | which gcc |
| 01:09.23 | jlaw | danar, it's working fine for me |
| 01:09.23 | jnguy[w] | delete the symlink |
| 01:09.23 | plb | helo: from my experience is goes for the one named *gcc* |
| 01:09.23 | jnguy[w] | and create a new one to the proper version |
| 01:09.23 | helo | hmm works for me :) |
| 01:09.23 | dnanar | jlaw: the command that i have given ?! |
| 01:09.24 | jnguy[w] | anyone on the fonts question? |
| 01:09.25 | jlaw | danar, just "apt-get install xserver-xorg" |
| 01:09.35 | dnanar | jlaw: i have unstable in my source: "apt-get update ; apt-get install xserver-xorg" > already the newest version |
| 01:09.38 | dnanar | should i remove instable/experimental ? |
| 01:09.38 | jlaw | danar: then you should have version 7.x |
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| 01:09.38 | Guerin | dnanar: you should reinstall |
| 01:09.38 | plb | dnanar: someone said the fix for X should be in unstable soon |
| 01:09.38 | plb | dunno how long that will be |
| 01:09.39 | jnguy[w] | anyone? |
| 01:09.39 | dnanar | plb: well 2 hour ago, someone said me that the fix will be availaible in 1 hour ;-p |
| 01:09.39 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 01:09.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:09.39 | plb | heh |
| 01:09.39 | jnguy[w] | lol |
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| 01:09.41 | jnguy[w] | Does anyone know which font package en space and em space are a part of? |
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| 01:09.41 | kill4killin | can someone tell me the latest 2.6 kernel available, and which version would be recommened for an AMD64 processor |
| 01:09.43 | plb | kill4killin: latest in unstable is 2.6.17 |
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| 01:09.45 | kill4killin | plb, thank you, but im looking for stable |
| 01:09.46 | paladinhugo | hello all |
| 01:09.46 | plb | kill4killin: believe 2.6.12? |
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| 01:09.46 | plb | not sure |
| 01:09.48 | paladinhugo | installing debian from cds, are all the 14 cds needed= |
| 01:09.48 | kill4killin | and is there a certain like -386 or something version that is recommended for the AMD64 processors |
| 01:09.48 | jnguy[w] | paladinhugo: You can just use the first cd |
| 01:09.48 | jnguy[w] | and install the rest from the network |
| 01:09.48 | jnguy[w] | if you have network? |
| 01:09.48 | dnanar | "aaaaaahhhhhh i ***** my x server totally |
| 01:09.48 | paladinhugo | yes I have |
| 01:09.48 | jnguy[w] | then first cd ought to be sufficient |
| 01:09.49 | dnanar | paladin: i dislike paladin name ;-p |
| 01:09.49 | dnanar | *paladinhugo |
| 01:09.49 | beardy | !d-i paladinhugo |
| 01:09.49 | paladinhugo | dnanar: why is that? |
| 01:09.49 | dpkg | paladinhugo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 01:09.49 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 01:09.49 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 01:09.50 | dnanar | paladinhugo: paladin is a name of microsoft secure and Drm system |
| 01:09.50 | dnanar | *or some stuff like this |
| 01:09.50 | kill4killin | takes half the time of the cds |
| 01:09.50 | paladinhugo | paladin is also a diablo character ;) |
| 01:09.50 | dnanar | erf :) |
| 01:09.50 | jnguy[w] | kill4killin: Where do you go to school? |
| 01:09.50 | kill4killin | Sothern Pollytechnic State University, it might be T1 but its still fast as anything |
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| 01:09.51 | jnguy[w] | lol |
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| 01:09.51 | jnguy[w] | is that in SoCal? |
| 01:09.51 | kill4killin | nah, GA |
| 01:09.51 | paladinhugo | how much time the netinstall takes' |
| 01:09.51 | paladinhugo | ? |
| 01:09.51 | jnguy[w] | ah |
| 01:09.52 | jnguy[w] | 20 minutes? |
| 01:09.52 | paladinhugo | with a 64KBps connection |
| 01:09.52 | paladinhugo | 20 min? |
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| 01:09.52 | jnguy[w] | I read a piece that said etch was installed in 20 |
| 01:09.52 | kill4killin | on my connection at my house the with a constant 100kb/s speed it took me near 40min |
| 01:09.52 | cydork | paladinhugo, with 64 kbps dont even except 20 mins :P |
| 01:09.52 | cydork | s/except/expect/ |
| 01:09.52 | devicenull | whats the file that controls what inted runs? |
| 01:10.24 | iarenaza | devicenull /etc/inetd.conf |
| 01:10.24 | devicenull | thx |
| 01:10.25 | beardy | !update-inetd |
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| 01:10.26 | paladinhugo | isn't there a cd with all that needs to be downloaded? |
| 01:10.30 | jlaw | paladinhugo, there are floppy disk images, you need three of them (boot, root, network) but in the end you'll download the same amount |
| 01:10.31 | devicenull | !update-inetd |
| 01:10.31 | devicenull | ? |
| 01:10.31 | jnguy[w] | in the end, I guess it depends the type of machine you're installing. |
| 01:10.33 | paladinhugo | P III 300MHz |
| 01:10.33 | jlaw | paladinhugo, you can take the dvd full install images ... but that's no fun with 64K |
| 01:10.33 | paladinhugo | 256MB RAM |
| 01:10.34 | jnguy[w] | workstation/server/etc |
| 01:10.35 | jnguy[w] | and how much crap you want on it. |
| 01:10.35 | jnguy[w] | I'm guessing minimal install shouldn't take long at all. |
| 01:10.35 | kill4killin | does anyone know if there is a better specialized kernel for the AMD64 architecture than the 386 one? |
| 01:10.36 | jnguy[w] | like 400 megs for a base install |
| 01:10.36 | paladinhugo | I already have the dvd |
| 01:10.36 | beardy | devicenull: IIRC it exists, let's you remove things without editing the file. Try 'update-i<TABTAB>' as root, or 'locate update-inetd' |
| 01:10.36 | paladinhugo | but the machine where I want to install debian does not have dvd player |
| 01:10.36 | devicenull | its ok, I dont mind editing the file |
| 01:10.36 | cydork | paladinhugo, netisntall cd is around 120 mb i gues. and then you can install basic packages.. |
| 01:10.38 | paladinhugo | ok |
| 01:10.38 | jnguy[w] | time for class |
| 01:10.38 | jnguy[w] | adios |
| 01:10.38 | cydork | paladinhugo, dont go for gnome or kde :P |
| 01:10.38 | beardy | devicenull: No, but it makes it easy to enable and disable things, the Debian way. |
| 01:10.39 | jnguy[w] | xfce4!!! :) |
| 01:10.39 | paladinhugo | I guess xfce will do fine |
| 01:10.39 | jlaw | paladinhugo ... kde will be another 350 mb (round about) |
| 01:10.39 | plb | xfce4.4 is nice |
| 01:10.39 | plb | the betas |
| 01:10.39 | jlaw | blackbox4ever |
| 01:10.39 | jnguy[w] | I have whatever is on unstable. |
| 01:10.39 | beardy | devicenull: man 8 update-inetd |
| 01:10.40 | jnguy[w] | ratpoison? |
| 01:10.40 | cydork | plb, i hate beta stuff can break any time :) |
| 01:10.40 | plb | use fluxbox myself |
| 01:10.40 | plb | xfce stuff is quite stable |
| 01:10.40 | cydork | plb, me too |
| 01:10.40 | beardy | devicenull: Your choice, but so you are aware of it's existence. |
| 01:10.40 | paladinhugo | fluxbox is nice too |
| 01:10.40 | plb | cydork: I'm admin at boxwhore ;] |
| 01:10.40 | jnguy[w] | I don't think I've ever seen xfce4 crash? |
| 01:10.41 | cydork | plb, never heard of this whore :P |
| 01:10.41 | dnanar | well good night to all european/african, good diner to asian, and good day to all american ! |
| 01:10.41 | plb | boxwhore.org |
| 01:10.41 | plb | *box themes |
| 01:10.42 | jlaw | cu danar |
| 01:10.42 | cydork | plb, i dont run X on my server ;) |
| 01:10.43 | plb | ah |
| 01:10.43 | danix | jng: i have seen xfce4 crashes :) but i can crash everything :) |
| 01:10.43 | paladinhugo | is the debian instalation straigh forward? |
| 01:10.43 | devicenull | running etch, I got a message from the vmware tools installer telling me the kernel was compiled with gcc 4.0.4 while the installed version of gcc is 4.1.2 |
| 01:10.43 | devicenull | is this ok? |
| 01:10.44 | danix | paladinhugo: its easy as windows install |
| 01:10.44 | plb | devicenull: sure |
| 01:10.44 | cydork | paladinhugo, yep the new etch beta installer 3 has gui install option too |
| 01:10.45 | paladinhugo | cool |
| 01:10.45 | danix | paladinhugo: i would use KDE if you have 256 mb mem |
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| 01:10.48 | danix | (i just love it) :) |
| 01:10.49 | danix | but without amarok :D |
| 01:10.49 | brauliobh | BRASIL: Alguém sabe como eu faço para mim me registrar no canal ? |
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| 01:10.50 | paladinhugo | is kde so much lighter than gnome? |
| 01:10.50 | cydork | paladinhugo, i wont say that |
| 01:10.50 | danix | paladinhugo: not sure about that, but its lovely |
| 01:10.51 | beardy | !br |
| 01:10.51 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:10.51 | paladinhugo | I prefer gnome over kde :) |
| 01:10.51 | plb | paladinhugo: if you want a light de go with xfce |
| 01:10.51 | danix | imho kde is better much if you run more apps |
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| 01:10.51 | danix | gnome is for peopel who run just 1-2 apps |
| 01:10.51 | ktwilight | xfce is light, but i heard that fluxbox is much lighter |
| 01:10.52 | brauliobh | Blz. |
| 01:10.52 | plb | ktwilight: it is |
| 01:13.09 | kill4killin | i prefer KDE or fluxbox depending on what platform im running the system on |
| 01:13.09 | danix | yep, wmaker is even more light |
| 01:13.10 | danix | and icewm is another light environment |
| 01:13.12 | cydork | danix, not true i use gnome on my desktop :) |
| 01:13.15 | danix | cydork: you are free :) |
| 01:13.21 | paladinhugo | I use Gnome on my laptop |
| 01:13.21 | paladinhugo | and it rocks |
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| 01:13.28 | danix | paladin: i prefer flowers over rocks |
| 01:13.29 | danix | :D |
| 01:13.29 | plb | xfce4.4 is what gnome should be =P |
| 01:13.29 | kill4killin | i use fluxbox on my laptop since its a PII and i use KDE on my desktop since its brand new |
| 01:13.30 | danix | heh we started another holly war |
| 01:13.30 | plb | heh |
| 01:13.31 | plb | the only qt apps i really like are amarok and k3b |
| 01:13.31 | danix | paladin: try all of them |
| 01:13.31 | plb | kde4 looks interesting though |
| 01:13.32 | danix | and use what u like |
| 01:13.32 | jlaw | danix, you're not by chance from germany, are you? |
| 01:13.32 | danix | no, from cz |
| 01:13.33 | plb | da germans lub the kde |
| 01:13.33 | danix | lol |
| 01:13.33 | eimajenthat | I wonder, can anyone tell me an easy way to get a list of every package I have installed on my system with APT? I think apt-move or apt-cache might be able to do it, but I don't seem to be smart enough to figure out how. |
| 01:13.33 | cydork | eimajenthat, dpkg -l |
| 01:13.34 | danix | i just noted gnome is loved by corporations - its easier to exploit a bit.. |
| 01:13.34 | jlaw | danix, k ... a friend of mine calls himself daenix and i wondered if it was you and due to alcohol mistyped^^ |
| 01:13.34 | Guerin | eimajenthat: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 01:13.34 | danix | jlaw: no, look danix.org |
| 01:13.35 | paladinhugo | Gnome is accessability friendly |
| 01:13.39 | eimajenthat | thx |
| 01:13.39 | danix | yes, paladinhugo |
| 01:13.39 | danix | but kde has also some accessibility featyres |
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| 01:13.40 | danix | it can talk about actions you do |
| 01:13.40 | Guerin | gnome is friendly like a blind, senile labrador |
| 01:13.42 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 01:13.43 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'" |
| 01:13.43 | plb | kde seems more community driven |
| 01:13.50 | beardy | eimajenthat: ^^^ |
| 01:13.51 | danix | "your mouse has moved, computer needs to be restarted" |
| 01:13.53 | danix | :D |
| 01:13.53 | Guerin | it's friendly and won't hurt you, but is also completely fucking useless for anythoing serious |
| 01:13.56 | eimajenthat | thanks all |
| 01:14.02 | jlaw | kde is the best |
| 01:14.03 | paladinhugo | Guerin: are you talking about gnome? |
| 01:14.07 | Guerin | paladinhugo: yes. |
| 01:14.07 | Guerin | and kde isn't much better. |
| 01:14.11 | paladinhugo | why do you say it's useless? |
| 01:14.13 | Guerin | paladinhugo: don't be getting all eliza on my ass. |
| 01:14.14 | Guerin | paladinhugo: gnome removes choices from users by obscuring functionality in the name of usability. |
| 01:14.16 | eimajenthat | I've spent the last few days tweaking my package selection on thix box, and nw I'm going to try and write a simple script to install the same packages on my other boxen |
| 01:14.22 | paladinhugo | ok |
| 01:14.23 | cydork | !start a desktop war |
| 01:14.24 | dpkg | Be smart, use WindowMaker. |
| 01:14.25 | Guerin | paladinhugo: this would be ok, except that the functionality just isn't available underneath all the freindliness, unless you use something like gconf-editor |
| 01:14.25 | plb | I like my fluxbox desktop -> http://www.boxwhore.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=125&cid=1 |
| 01:14.31 | danix | eimajenthat: there are even debian packages to help u with that |
| 01:14.32 | danix | no need to write scripts again |
| 01:14.33 | danix | (just cannot remember the name) |
| 01:14.33 | Guerin | eimajenthat: dpkg --get-selections > list |
| 01:14.35 | Guerin | eimajenthat: then on the new box, dpkg --set-selections < list |
| 01:14.36 | danix | btw wmaker is VERY fast. i use it for music, games... |
| 01:14.39 | eimajenthat | danix, I saw a couple: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 01:14.39 | plb | I used wmaker years ago |
| 01:14.40 | danix | guerin: yes, that aslo works |
| 01:14.41 | plb | doesn't seem too popular these dasy |
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| 01:14.45 | plb | days* |
| 01:14.46 | Guerin | danix: thanks, I'm aware. |
| 01:14.51 | cydork | eimajenthat, use dpkg --get/set-selection as Guerin said |
| 01:14.52 | eimajenthat | guerin, whoa... |
| 01:14.53 | ktwilight | each package has its own uses for different users :/ |
| 01:14.53 | ktwilight | so quit whining |
| 01:15.00 | danix | eimajenthat: yes its coming :) |
| 01:15.02 | cydork | !better |
| 01:15.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 01:15.06 | jlaw | i like my kde desktop^^ http://www.directupload.net/show/d/792/xh2lZ4rg.png |
| 01:15.10 | ktwilight | if only everyone is a programmer...then we wouldn't have such a problem :) |
| 01:15.20 | ktwilight | each wold just create their own desktop environnment or whatever they want |
| 01:19.13 | ktwilight | songbird :) |
| 01:19.14 | Guerin | ktwilight: i'm not talking about uses for different users, I'm talking about my fairly well-informed and considered opinion. |
| 01:19.17 | plb | jlaw: that is quite erm bright =) |
| 01:19.19 | ktwilight | keyword....opinion. |
| 01:19.21 | jlaw | plb, indeed =) |
| 01:19.34 | cydork | Guerin, it's matter of personal taste |
| 01:19.39 | Guerin | cydork: no, it's a matter of your perspective. |
| 01:19.39 | paladinhugo | agree! |
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| 01:19.46 | danix | grr.. ctrl-k in rhapsody kills channel |
| 01:19.50 | plb | Is there a site that lists the latest pkgs in unstable? Would like to know when this xorg fix gets into unstable |
| 01:19.51 | beardy | .. |
| 01:19.51 | paladinhugo | jlaw: is that your desktop? |
| 01:20.00 | danix | plb: packages.debian.org ? |
| 01:20.13 | iarenaza | Guerin which basically boils down to personal (i.e., subjective) opinion |
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| 01:20.17 | jlaw | paladinhugo, yep |
| 01:20.32 | cydork | plb, it will get fixed tonight dont worry :P |
| 01:20.36 | Guerin | plb: there's some sort of signup-for-aerts thing |
| 01:20.39 | paladinhugo | it's nice |
| 01:20.43 | ktwilight | haha nice jlaw :) |
| 01:20.46 | ktwilight | Q is...who cares? |
| 01:20.51 | jlaw | paladinhugo, for sure it is^^ |
| 01:20.54 | paladinhugo | is your monitor black & white? |
| 01:20.56 | plb | I'm just curious as to when so I can update ;] |
| 01:20.57 | Guerin | iarenaza: no. It's objectively measurable how much functionality is/isn't available, and how obscured it is. Whether you like that or not is iopinion, but that's not the bulk of my point. |
| 01:21.02 | helo | when you do a -lwhatever, is libwhatever.so.?.? what is searched for? |
| 01:21.09 | jlaw | paladinhugo, beside the red seen on the screenshot !-) |
| 01:21.11 | cydork | Guerin, i used to use kde when i was using woody or sarge even but now days i used gnome on my desktop :) |
| 01:21.11 | paladinhugo | that could be a sticker |
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| 01:21.15 | iarenaza | Guerin I was talking about 'perspective', not available functionality |
| 01:21.15 | danix | plb: you can watch incoming.debian.org if you are curious too much |
| 01:21.20 | Guerin | iarenaza: Perspective can be based on something other than opinion. |
| 01:21.24 | danix | yes, thats called BIAS :) |
| 01:21.25 | jlaw | paladinhugo ... i was sick of those esrb notices and decided to be creative |
| 01:21.26 | iarenaza | Guerin if you talk about '*your* perspective', then I guess it's quite subjective :-) |
| 01:21.26 | paladinhugo | time to go to bed! see you all!.. |
| 01:21.27 | paladinhugo | :) |
| 01:21.28 | cydork | helo, do apt-file search libwhatever.so to see which package contains that lib. |
| 01:21.29 | jlaw | cu |
| 01:21.30 | paladinhugo | I'm out! |
| 01:21.30 | plb | I wonder if bmpx will ever make it into debian |
| 01:21.31 | ktwilight | does aptitude or apt-get or whatever-apt able to display the changelog? |
| 01:21.31 | ktwilight | that would be nice like before i do a apt-get upgrade |
| 01:21.31 | ktwilight | or it's pointless? |
| 01:21.31 | plb | or audacious |
| 01:21.31 | danix | ktwilight: youcan use shift-c in aptitude |
| 01:21.31 | Guerin | ktwilight: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 01:21.34 | danix | to see changelog |
| 01:21.35 | liable | ktwilight: you can also 'aptitude changelog foo' |
| 01:21.35 | ktwilight | ah |
| 01:21.35 | danix | liable; nice, never noticed this |
| 01:21.36 | stoned | good evening |
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| 01:21.40 | danix | well i do not talk to stoned people :))))) |
| 01:21.41 | ktwilight | Oooooo aptitude changelog is nice |
| 01:21.42 | stoned | yes it is |
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| 01:21.44 | stoned | ktwilight could be a good name for an kde based astrology app |
| 01:21.45 | stoned | :) |
| 01:21.45 | stoned | s/an/a |
| 01:21.46 | danix | hehe :) true |
| 01:23.35 | ktwilight | please no |
| 01:23.36 | jlaw | rofl |
| 01:23.36 | stoned | why not? |
| 01:23.36 | danix | ... another K name... |
| 01:23.37 | ktwilight | that may mean i can never use this nick anymore |
| 01:23.37 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 01:23.37 | dpkg | [dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 01:23.37 | ktwilight | what if they copyright ktwilight, i'll be dead |
| 01:23.37 | stoned | !popcon |
| 01:23.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:23.39 | cydork | guys gotta go, catch you later |
| 01:23.39 | jlaw | ktwilight, copyright it first^^ |
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| 01:23.39 | jlaw | cu |
| 01:23.39 | ktwilight | i'm not that rich jlaw :P |
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| 01:23.40 | danix | :) nm your blood pattern is patented by GE. |
| 01:23.41 | ktwilight | that fast eh? |
| 01:23.41 | stoned | !ping |
| 01:23.41 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:23.41 | stoned | why am I lagging |
| 01:23.41 | Guerin | you're not |
| 01:23.41 | danix | cuz you are under influence |
| 01:23.41 | ktwilight | should find myself a cave and live primitively |
| 01:23.41 | stoned | Guerin, hey |
| 01:23.41 | danix | ktwilight: yeah, farm... but beware of patented seeds! |
| 01:23.42 | ktwilight | i didnt mean to be a farmer or make money |
| 01:23.42 | jlaw | ktwilight ... well maybe you should passively initiate a project taking your name without knowing them you have that name ... before they get the chance you take the copyright for the name and lend it to them so you may finance |
| 01:23.42 | ktwilight | just surviving with no money no internet no electricity nothing |
| 01:23.42 | stoned | Guerin, I knew it, my roommate has like 10 concurrent DBZ downloads on limewire |
| 01:23.42 | stoned | I knew I was lagging! |
| 01:23.42 | ktwilight | sounds confusing jlaw haha |
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| 01:23.43 | danix | u need food :) so you will have to farm - or hunt |
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| 01:23.43 | ktwilight | just hunt ;) |
| 01:23.44 | danix | rats under the city ? lol |
| 01:23.44 | Guerin | ktwilight: just make sure you eat more than rabbits |
| 01:23.44 | danix | thats the future |
| 01:23.44 | ktwilight | there arent caves in cities :/ |
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| 01:23.44 | stoned | can you hump faster than a bunny? |
| 01:23.44 | stoned | you == the 'general' you |
| 01:23.44 | ktwilight | somewhere in amazon would be a good start |
| 01:23.45 | danix | mars is good. noone will bother u there.. (maybe) |
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| 01:23.45 | stoned | no no no |
| 01:23.45 | stoned | mars not good |
| 01:23.45 | stoned | UAC will fuck you over |
| 01:23.45 | danix | UAC? |
| 01:23.45 | jlaw | yeah ... food is scarce up there |
| 01:23.45 | stoned | yeah... UAC |
| 01:23.45 | Guerin | i'd be more worried about the lack of air, water and shelter |
| 01:23.46 | Guerin | but hey, that's just me |
| 01:23.46 | danix | waht is uac? |
| 01:23.46 | ktwilight | talk about an expensive trip to be away from earth :P |
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| 01:23.46 | Guerin | danix: Unamerican Activities COmmittee |
| 01:23.46 | stoned | danix, They control the most advanced technology in the entire known universe |
| 01:23.47 | Heston | who not go to the moon? everyone knows it's made of cheese |
| 01:23.47 | stoned | danix, they were conducting experiments on space travel, and accidentally opened the Gates to hell |
| 01:23.47 | stoned | danix, ever heard of Doom |
| 01:23.47 | ktwilight | right.... |
| 01:23.47 | stoned | i just got off work, my jokes are lame |
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| 01:23.47 | stoned | gimme a break |
| 01:24.22 | danix | well. i do not live in bushistan... :) |
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| 01:24.23 | stoned | this isn't bushistan |
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| 01:24.23 | Guerin | i think you might find it is |
| 01:24.23 | stoned | just because our president is a tool, does not mean the entire country is fucked |
| 01:24.23 | Ronin | stoned: it certainly doesnt help |
| 01:24.23 | stoned | this stupid bandwagoner rhetoric, especially in #debian gets to me |
| 01:24.23 | plb | hrm xawtv 4 will actually support ivtv |
| 01:24.24 | stoned | its like old folks with their rhetorical bullshit |
| 01:24.24 | MojOrow | would anyone here know why i am gettig hda1-20 and a few others all to 20 partitions |
| 01:24.24 | ktwilight | haha :) |
| 01:24.24 | ktwilight | it's close... |
| 01:24.24 | ktwilight | and so...mmust sleep. nitez |
| 01:24.24 | danix | stupid or not, he is dictator :) |
| 01:24.25 | stoned | have no idea whats going on in the world, just say shit just to say it |
| 01:24.25 | Guerin | stoned: you younguns wouldn't know what you're talking about anyway |
| 01:24.25 | stoned | Guerin, check it. |
| 01:24.25 | Guerin | danix: who is? Bush? |
| 01:24.25 | danix | yep |
| 01:24.25 | Guerin | danix: you give him far too much credit. |
| 01:24.25 | danix | he is 'above the law' which is generally dictator |
| 01:24.26 | Guerin | danix: go and look at real dictators. |
| 01:24.26 | MojOrow | ? |
| 01:24.26 | jlaw | pah ... doom ... you do not need to go to mars to open the gate to hell ... my economics teacher kept it in one tiny book |
| 01:24.26 | danix | guerin: like who ? :)) |
| 01:24.26 | danix | jlaw :))) |
| 01:24.26 | Guerin | danix: you could start with Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Pol Pot - if you want one who's still alive, Robert Mugabe |
| 01:24.26 | danix | guerin: i know them all |
| 01:24.26 | stoned | Guerin, my grand dad's friend was over a few years ago, they were just talking. He says to my gramps, "You know, these days it is easier to buy drugs than it is to buy a newspaper, time are so bad". I asked him, dude, Have youe ver fucking bought drugs? He said no. I said then shut the fuck up. Its the same thing with the shit that goes on in here. Most people talk bout shit they have no idea about, especially in #debian, which is mai |
| 01:24.27 | stoned | nly for debian support, believe it or not |
| 01:24.27 | Guerin | danix: it's disrespectful to call Bush a dictator. |
| 01:24.27 | beardy | danix: You need new friends. |
| 01:24.27 | jlaw | Guerin, what's about Kim Jong Il ? |
| 01:24.27 | stoned | Guerin, and this is not addressing you, just the generality |
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| 01:24.27 | Guerin | jlaw: another good one, but less information is available on him. |
| 01:24.28 | danix | guerin: when someone is president above the law, he is dictator DE FACTO. its not disrespectful. |
| 01:24.29 | stoned | why bring politics here? |
| 01:24.29 | stoned | I'll never get it |
| 01:24.29 | danix | ok sorry :) |
| 01:24.29 | Guerin | danix: you're wrong. |
| 01:24.29 | stoned | shoot the breeze, take it to debian offtopic |
| 01:24.29 | jlaw | Guerin "under the loving care of ther fatherly leader" bradley k. martin |
| 01:24.29 | jlaw | little bit off topic ... sry |
| 01:24.29 | danix | Guerin: rather defend constitution, if you are american |
| 01:24.29 | danix | bush will not do it for u |
| 01:24.29 | Guerin | jlaw: i'm more familiar with the kim family regime than you might think, having lived within artillery range of it for three years. |
| 01:24.30 | Guerin | danix: i'm not, but that's irrelevant. Again: go and look at real dictatorships before you shoot your mouth off. |
| 01:24.30 | jlaw | Guerin, so the book might be even more interesting than it was for me !-) |
| 01:24.30 | MojOrow | would anyone here know why i am gettig hda1-20 and a few others all to 20 partitions? |
| 01:24.31 | danix | guerin: u are talking disrespectfully about me... i call u an arrogant idiot :) |
| 01:24.31 | azeem | MojOrow: probably udev failed to start and you get the static fallback /dev tree |
| 01:24.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:24.32 | beardy | !u |
| 01:24.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:24.32 | danix | go read history books man |
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| 01:24.33 | azeem | danix: do it elsewhere |
| 01:24.33 | Guerin | danix: funny, that's just what I told YOU to do. |
| 01:24.34 | MojOrow | what would cuase udev to fail? |
| 01:24.34 | Guerin | nothing like being called an idiot by an idiot. It's like multiplying two negative numbers together. |
| 01:24.34 | azeem | MojOrow: well, check whether it is running or not |
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| 01:24.35 | pourriture | when did courtesy become respect? ... I don't get why people get pissed about "disrespect" ... isn't respect and earned type thing? |
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| 01:24.36 | plb | wth xmms2 is in unstable |
| 01:24.36 | danix | grr. ctrl-k is pretty bad key for closing the window... |
| 01:24.36 | jlaw | danix, use irssi ;) |
| 01:25.17 | danix | i am testing them right now :) |
| 01:25.21 | danix | irssi is nice, but i think for newbies, some menu driven itc client may be nice |
| 01:25.21 | DanTHpc2 | never used irssi |
| 01:25.21 | DanTHpc2 | must try it |
| 01:25.22 | danix | why not? |
| 01:25.25 | DanTHpc2 | well i only use deb for dedi servers so |
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| 01:25.27 | danix | i like konversation and irssi for me... but i want some friendly irc for people without X who never used it. |
| 01:25.33 | beardy | Why do people think that "newbies" always need some clicky-clicky crap? They are the ones that should not be using crap like that and learn to do things in a good way instead. |
| 01:25.34 | plb | irssi rocks |
| 01:25.36 | danix | is it so good ? :) |
| 01:25.42 | DanTHpc2 | i like shell based stuff |
| 01:25.44 | DanTHpc2 | click here is boring |
| 01:25.44 | danix | beardy: hehe maybe you are right |
| 01:25.47 | danix | nice point |
| 01:25.49 | MojOrow | i dont think so |
| 01:25.50 | MojOrow | but then i am not that shure of how to check |
| 01:25.50 | jlaw | when i was a really bloody newbie kiddo there even was stuff to click at |
| 01:25.51 | MojOrow | i tried ps and lsmod |
| 01:25.53 | MojOrow | thats all i really know |
| 01:25.54 | DanTHpc2 | hehe |
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| 01:25.56 | Dan01 | yay |
| 01:25.56 | azeem | beardy: it is a legitimate target to just *use* a computer to do work, and not understand how it works internally |
| 01:25.57 | Dan01 | better nick |
| 01:25.57 | ry1 | anyone know how I deal with dirnames with spaces in them? |
| 01:25.58 | Dan01 | i have had that prob |
| 01:25.59 | ry1 | I am trying to recover the contents on a ntfs partitoin |
| 01:25.59 | jlaw | azeem, word |
| 01:25.59 | beardy | azeem: Then perhaps you should hire a consultatnt that can help you install Windows for you. |
| 01:26.00 | MojOrow | azeem: what is udev? |
| 01:26.00 | azeem | beardy: why install an inferior operating system? |
| 01:26.01 | azeem | MojOrow: a user space device manager |
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| 01:26.04 | MojOrow | it;s a process? |
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| 01:26.04 | ry1 | is there a command that will allow me to access dirs that have spaces in their names? |
| 01:26.04 | azeem | MojOrow: ps ax | grep udev, does that return a "udevd" process? |
| 01:26.05 | danix | azeem: inferior or not, windows is proprietary system designed to abuse users. |
| 01:26.05 | jlaw | ry1, type \ instead of spaces |
| 01:26.05 | azeem | danix: so? |
| 01:26.05 | ry1 | ah, thanks |
| 01:26.06 | danix | so - its not good to reason using quality.. but freedom |
| 01:26.06 | beardy | ry1: You can also quote them, "like this", or 'like this' |
| 01:26.07 | MojOrow | no |
| 01:26.07 | devicenull | er |
| 01:26.07 | devicenull | my machine is not bringing up eth0 by default.. |
| 01:27.31 | devicenull | any idea why? |
| 01:27.31 | beardy | devicenull: Have you configured it to be? |
| 01:27.32 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 01:27.32 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 01:27.32 | danix | devicenull: using netwrokmanager? |
| 01:27.35 | azeem | devicenull, MojOrow: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 01:27.35 | devicenull | in interfaces: "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 01:27.36 | devicenull | etch |
| 01:27.37 | devicenull | want output from uname? |
| 01:27.39 | azeem | devicenull: which version of udev and klibc-utils? |
| 01:27.39 | MojOrow | i'm not that sure |
| 01:27.40 | MojOrow | how should i check |
| 01:27.40 | MojOrow | i thin k it is very recent |
| 01:27.40 | azeem | MojOrow: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:27.42 | MojOrow | ok |
| 01:27.42 | devicenull | azeem, not sure, how do I tell? |
| 01:27.43 | azeem | dpkg -l udev |
| 01:27.43 | dpkg | ii udev 3.3-12.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 01:27.44 | azeem | dpkg -l klibc-utils |
| 01:27.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching klibc-utils |
| 01:27.44 | devicenull | 0.093-1 |
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| 01:27.45 | devicenull | and klibc is 1.4.19-1 |
| 01:27.45 | azeem | hrm |
| 01:27.46 | devicenull | eth0 comes up when I do "ifup eth0" |
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| 01:27.47 | azeem | devicenull: did this use to work until a recent upgrade? |
| 01:27.50 | devicenull | I'm not sure, this is a new install |
| 01:27.51 | MojOrow | stable main i think |
| 01:27.51 | MojOrow | gah |
| 01:27.51 | devicenull | the interface is detected in dmesg |
| 01:27.51 | MojOrow | that mans nothing |
| 01:27.52 | devicenull | and it seems to declare the right type |
| 01:27.52 | MojOrow | mu friend did a netinstall if it 3 days ago |
| 01:27.52 | devicenull | nothing from dhcp-client in dmesg though |
| 01:27.52 | MojOrow | as far as i know it should be the unstable release |
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| 01:27.53 | liable | devicenull: add a line, 'auto eth0' |
| 01:27.53 | liable | devicenull: above your other eth0 line |
| 01:27.53 | devicenull | okay, thanks |
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| 01:27.55 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | Unstable users: upgrade X server to 2:1.0.2-10 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 01:28.32 | beardy | azeem: Perhaps we disagree on that bit then, that people asking help should atleast be able to try and learn from it, if they are completely uninterested in how things work, they are very hard, and boring to help. |
| 01:28.33 | plb | eh the fix is there now?? |
| 01:28.33 | DerJamster | fix for what exactly? |
| 01:28.33 | azeem | plb: it's on my mirror, maybe yours is late |
| 01:28.33 | plb | xorg |
| 01:28.34 | DerJamster | yes yes..but fix of what? :> |
| 01:28.34 | plb | im on testing atm |
| 01:28.34 | Sweet-P | i've read a bunch of posts on the forums, but I still can't seem to get X installed. I've done apt-get update, apt-get install x-window-system-core and it just keeps giving more dependancies |
| 01:28.34 | plb | which mirror do you use |
| 01:28.34 | azeem | plb: this is about unstable |
| 01:28.34 | plb | i know |
| 01:28.35 | azeem | testing is not affected |
| 01:28.35 | plb | i downgraded |
| 01:28.35 | plb | lol |
| 01:28.35 | jlaw | haha ... got the perfect plan for terrorizm ... i'm going to nitrate minced meat. and if the beagles get on it on the airport the police will think thei're hot on the meat and leave me alone ... maybe they'll wonder why i carry around some pounds of miced meat when going for a fly ... |
| 01:28.35 | Sweet-P | is there a way to apt-get get one thing and it gets all dependencies too? |
| 01:28.36 | plb | time to test it out |
| 01:28.36 | liable | Sweet-P: that is exactly what apt-get does |
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| 01:28.37 | DerJamster | sometimes you need to use apt-get -f install, but that's usualyl when some dependencies screwed up. |
| 01:28.37 | azeem | beardy: well, I was talking more in general; Debian's user audience today includes people who are not geeks |
| 01:28.38 | beardy | Sweet-P: aptitude also removes them if you would uninstall it in the future |
| 01:28.39 | azeem | beardy: this doesn't exclude that people who want specific help should be open to suggestions |
| 01:28.39 | Sweet-P | checking the FAQ for this chan...it's new to me |
| 01:28.39 | MojOrow | azeem: you were saying about udev |
| 01:28.39 | jlaw | ... airplane blown up by 5 pounds of nitrated minced meat ... i somehow like that headline |
| 01:28.40 | Dan01 | lol. |
| 01:28.40 | danix | btw i just tried one irssi script :) (perl /usr/share/irssi/scripts/sysinfo_tronic.pl) and it reported size of my ehmm... male member. |
| 01:28.40 | azeem | MojOrow: did you find out which version of Debian you are using? |
| 01:28.40 | liable | Sweet-P: if you are having problems getting x-window-system installed, then put the output on a pastebot so we can try and work it oout |
| 01:28.41 | DerJamster | danix: hehe :) |
| 01:28.41 | danix | strange stupp this irssi :D |
| 01:28.41 | Sweet-P | I guess it's not so much a "problem" as I just can't seem to find the correct "apt-get xxxx" commands to get X running |
| 01:28.41 | azeem | Sweet-P: did you select the desktop task? |
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| 01:28.42 | jlaw | danix, irssi is the best !-) |
| 01:28.42 | DerJamster | Sweet-P: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:28.42 | Sweet-P | i did not, I used netinst and just selected the "recommended" install |
| 01:28.42 | beardy | azeem: Hopefully, they have someone close to them which can help them, it's usually that person that comes here, that person needs to be atleast a tiny bit more interested than just how to click on the menu button with different buttons. |
| 01:28.42 | DerJamster | and then just grab a wm/desktop of choice. |
| 01:28.42 | beardy | different mouse buttons |
| 01:28.43 | azeem | beardy: sure, the target is that those people do not need to call this kind of support at all, because things just work out-of-the-box |
| 01:28.43 | azeem | beardy: we're not yet there |
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| 01:28.44 | Sweet-P | DerJamster: I've done that and it keeps telling me that it depends on many other packages and "E: Broken Packages" |
| 01:28.44 | DerJamster | Sweet-P: using stable? |
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| 01:28.44 | Sweet-P | yes |
| 01:28.44 | azeem | Sweet-P: my suggestion: try to run tasksel as root and select the desktop task |
| 01:28.44 | beardy | azeem: What do you mean, that they should come here? |
| 01:28.44 | DerJamster | make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list is set up correctly, and do an apt-get update first. and yes, run that tasksel thing. |
| 01:28.45 | Sweet-P | ahh...trying |
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| 01:28.45 | azeem | beardy: I said, ideally, the Linux desktop is good enough that they do not *need* to come here |
| 01:29.00 | MojOrow | azeem: in the sources list all i see is http |
| 01:29.00 | Sweet-P | teh only tasks that are shown are "Web server, Print server, Mail server, SQL database, and manual package selection" |
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| 01:29.01 | azeem | MojOrow: and at the end? |
| 01:29.02 | Sweet-P | I'm thinking somewhere I grabbed the wrong iso? |
| 01:29.03 | MojOrow | azeem: ://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian stable main |
| 01:29.03 | azeem | so stable |
| 01:29.03 | MojOrow | it has deb infront of it |
| 01:29.05 | azeem | MojOrow: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:29.05 | MojOrow | but when my friend installed it i think he dud the ustable one |
| 01:29.06 | MojOrow | and then swirched it back for a reason that i cannot rememjber |
| 01:29.06 | azeem | uh |
| 01:29.07 | MojOrow | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:29.09 | azeem | ok |
| 01:29.09 | beardy | azeem: Right. Though, if getting there means dumbing things down so much that it becomes unusable, or in the way, for us, I'd move on elsewhere. |
| 01:29.09 | azeem | and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"? |
| 01:29.10 | MojOrow | ? |
| 01:29.10 | azeem | beardy: luckily, Free Software is about choice |
| 01:29.10 | beardy | azeem: Indeed. |
| 01:29.11 | azeem | MojOrow: what does that command output? |
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| 01:29.14 | danix | Guerin: from Wodnet: dictator == a ruler who is unconstrained by law. Bush is by his own terms a dictator by definition. Only by using doublethink you can deny that. |
| 01:29.20 | azeem | danix: take this elsewhere |
| 01:29.20 | danix | ok... |
| 01:29.20 | Guerin | danix: bullshit. |
| 01:29.26 | beardy | danix: Give it a rest.. if they get annoyed enough by him they would use their guns, everyone has one. |
| 01:29.27 | danix | azeem say also to guerin to take his BS elsewhere |
| 01:29.27 | MojOrow | 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared Libraries and Timezone |
| 01:29.31 | azeem | danix: you restarted it |
| 01:29.31 | MojOrow | also thanx for helpin me |
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| 01:29.34 | azeem | MojOrow: ok, so you are on stable |
| 01:29.36 | azeem | MojOrow: last question, what does "dpkg -l udev" say as version number (if any)? |
| 01:29.38 | MojOrow | none |
| 01:29.38 | MojOrow | no description availiable |
| 01:29.41 | azeem | MojOrow: ok, so you do not have udev installed |
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| 01:29.42 | azeem | MojOrow: in this case, the many device nodes are expected |
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| 01:30.00 | k-man | whenever i try and load the realtime module, it fails if i add any paramaters like "gid=29" but works if i don't parameters |
| 01:30.01 | k-man | any ideas? |
| 01:30.02 | MojOrow | ok |
| 01:30.02 | MojOrow | so sould i do an apt-get udev? |
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| 01:30.05 | azeem | MojOrow: this looks like a cosmetic issue to me |
| 01:30.06 | azeem | MojOrow: I suggest you do not touch your running system |
| 01:30.06 | MojOrow | ok |
| 01:30.06 | MojOrow | i just installed a sata controller |
| 01:30.07 | MojOrow | a silicon image 3112 |
| 01:30.07 | beardy | MojOrow: What exactly is the problem? |
| 01:30.07 | MojOrow | and i think it is working |
| 01:30.09 | MojOrow | but this poped up and i didnt know fi it was some kind of glitvh |
| 01:30.09 | MojOrow | ch |
| 01:30.09 | azeem | MojOrow: run "dmesg | less" and search for hints on what the device is called |
| 01:30.10 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 01:30.11 | beardy | SATA gets sd?? device names, right? |
| 01:30.12 | beardy | sd?, rather.. |
| 01:30.13 | MojOrow | all i know is that in what dmesg syas there us a line that says /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 : unknown partition table |
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| 01:30.13 | MojOrow | well i have mirrored the drives |
| 01:30.14 | beardy | MajIs the disk partitioned? |
| 01:30.14 | MojOrow | trying to do a raid 1 |
| 01:30.14 | MojOrow | not yet |
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| 01:30.15 | MojOrow | i have added the 2 virgin drives to the card |
| 01:30.15 | MojOrow | and during boot i said make a mirror raid |
| 01:30.16 | jchillerup^ | Hi. I'm trying to setup a PPTP-connection to my webhost. It says that the password is incorrect, and I know it's not. Maybe it's connecting to the wrong server, but where do I set up which server it should connect to? |
| 01:30.16 | MojOrow | i am just wondering if this is actually the raid |
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| 01:30.16 | Faithful | does anyone know ftp-ssl package well? |
| 01:30.17 | MojOrow | above the line it syas libata version 1.02 has been loaded. |
| 01:30.17 | Faithful | I have a problem I haven't been able to resolve hunting google |
| 01:30.22 | beardy | Just ask. |
| 01:30.23 | MojOrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.25 | MojOrow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:30.36 | sysop__ | hi guys |
| 01:30.36 | Faithful | OK, I can login with ftp-ssl ok and cwd but I cannot do ls it says "ftp: bind: Address already in use" now I know this is because it is bound to port 21 for security reasons but I don't seem to be able to get it to work. |
| 01:30.37 | MojOrow | the question is i have sda1-20 and sdb1-20 how can i tell what to format |
| 01:31.59 | sysop__ | can anyone tell me how to turn off monitor blanking? I running debian etch with 2 nvidia cards and the monitors keep blanking out after a couple of minutes ofcourse if I move the mouse it will come back. |
| 01:32.03 | jlaw | gdn8 guys&geeks |
| 01:32.03 | sysop__ | and its not a screen saver I have that set to kclock. |
| 01:32.04 | danix | beardy: hmm i do not share your optimism :) but ok. anyway. being attacked by people for stating the fact is 'fun'. 2+2=5 for some :) |
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| 01:32.06 | sysop__ | danix just ask any republican/christian zionist they will tell you 2+2=5 any day. |
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| 01:32.11 | sysop__ | so any ideas on my monitor blanking issue? I tried setvesablank but it doesnt seem to do anything. |
| 01:32.11 | MojOrow | or atleast how should i figure out |
| 01:32.11 | danix | sysop: this 2+2=5 is not limited to religion or party :) |
| 01:32.11 | sysop__ | true. |
| 01:32.11 | RaoulMillais | teh links to the official weekly torrents for the "testing" distribution (amd64 & i386) appear to be dead |
| 01:32.11 | beardy | danix: Well, it was more sarcasm than optimism.. |
| 01:32.12 | danix | but as orwell stated, freedom is a freedom to say 2+2=4 |
| 01:32.12 | pourriture | I am right and all of you are wrong ... so screw you |
| 01:32.12 | pourriture | what are we talking about anyway? |
| 01:32.13 | danix | nothing:) |
| 01:32.13 | danix | nm |
| 01:32.21 | sysop__ | so any ideas? I tried turning on and off power control to the monitors no help. |
| 01:32.21 | danix | sysop__ are u using kde? |
| 01:32.22 | danix | there is some blanking in kcontrol |
| 01:32.22 | sysop__ | yes, 3.5 |
| 01:32.22 | danix | not sure where |
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| 01:32.22 | sysop__ | let me look again. |
| 01:32.45 | danix | try search button :D |
| 01:32.46 | danix | its actually very useful in kcontrol |
| 01:32.50 | danix | sysop__ or run some movie in a loop using kaffeine - that will prevent sleeping, lol |
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| 01:32.55 | beardy | sysop__: The timeouts are configured in your X configuration, if this blanking has nothing at all to do with a screensaver of some kind, that is. |
| 01:32.56 | beardy | !dpms |
| 01:32.56 | dpkg | well, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 01:32.57 | Badman | hi |
| 01:32.58 | Badman | is it normal that debian kernel doesn't contain ueagle-atm? |
| 01:33.02 | danix | some eagle modules are available as packages |
| 01:33.03 | Badman | eagle-usb yes |
| 01:33.03 | sysop__ | beardy nope, have kclock as my screen saver, thats what irks me I like have both monitors as clocks when I am not using the computer but I can see them because the screen blanks. |
| 01:33.03 | danix | thats not your module, badman? do you need another? |
| 01:33.07 | sysop__ | cant see I mean |
| 01:33.07 | Badman | what module danix ? |
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| 01:33.09 | beardy | sysop__: So turn off dpms then. |
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| 01:33.14 | danix | badman: install eagle-usb-source and compile it for your kernel... or install eagle-usb-*** for your kernel |
| 01:33.15 | danix | is that what u need? or another eagle ? |
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| 01:33.33 | danix | eagle-usb-modules-source eagle-usb-utils |
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| 01:34.03 | sysop__ | hey guys I am looking in xorg.conf but dont see any mention of screen blanking or anything similar. |
| 01:34.04 | sysop__ | I will look in the xorg.conf help maybe there is default value that I am not overriding. |
| 01:34.04 | sysop__ | unless you guys know what file its stored in? |
| 01:34.10 | sysop__ | is this more of a question for #kde? |
| 01:34.20 | danix | sysop__ maybe, found it in kcontrol? |
| 01:34.21 | danix | peripherials -> display -> power control |
| 01:34.21 | sysop__ | cool. if you are talking about in the monitor propertires danix? |
| 01:34.22 | sysop__ | I tried that. |
| 01:34.23 | danix | [x] enable display powermanagement :) |
| 01:34.23 | sysop__ | but thanks for looking for me. |
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| 01:34.27 | danix | heh :) |
| 01:34.27 | danix | np |
| 01:34.29 | sysop__ | I tried turning it on and off. no help. |
| 01:34.30 | danix | interesting |
| 01:34.31 | sysop__ | maybe I need to change it and restart kde. I havent tried that yet. |
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| 01:34.36 | danix | yes, that maybe it |
| 01:34.36 | danix | :D |
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| 01:34.38 | sysop__ | can restart kde right now. will try in a day or two, but thanks for the help. |
| 01:34.39 | sysop__ | cant I mean. |
| 01:34.39 | danix | we can read even with typoos :) |
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| 01:34.48 | usr13 | What is the default sound server used by Debian? |
| 01:34.50 | danix | the one you install |
| 01:34.50 | usr13 | I have sarge |
| 01:34.51 | usr13 | Well, what ever it was, it was working at first, but is broken now. |
| 01:34.52 | danix | using kde? |
| 01:34.53 | usr13 | Not sure what to do about it? |
| 01:34.53 | usr13 | Using kde |
| 01:34.56 | danix | try settins of sound for user (using kcontrol) |
| 01:34.57 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.01 | danix | file bug report :) magyar |
| 01:35.05 | danix | i would love it too |
| 01:35.06 | azeem | there are bug reports already |
| 01:35.12 | danix | oops :) |
| 01:36.09 | danix | they even distribute kubuntu deb... |
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| 01:36.12 | SpaceFrog | can i install rpm's in debian? |
| 01:36.13 | azeem | SpaceFrog: it is discouraged |
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| 01:36.13 | dvs | SpaceFrog: yes but it's a very bad idea |
| 01:36.13 | azeem | if you must, use alien to convert them to .debs and install those |
| 01:36.14 | danix | SpaceFrog: what package? |
| 01:36.14 | teekay_ | not sure |
| 01:36.14 | SpaceFrog | php-json is the package. |
| 01:36.14 | SpaceFrog | http://freshmeat.net/redir/php-json-ext/57351/url_homepage/php-json |
| 01:36.14 | SpaceFrog | I can't work out how to install it |
| 01:36.14 | Cooner750 | How do I make sure I have the right driver loaded for my onboard video? It's a 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 01:36.15 | SpaceFrog | the instructions don't work, and i'm pretty desperate |
| 01:36.15 | danix | spacefrog: if its not in debian |
| 01:36.16 | danix | i would try source + checkinstall |
| 01:36.16 | danix | btw scr.rpm != rpm |
| 01:36.16 | danix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.16 | SpaceFrog | Oh, ok. so how do i do this? Download the src.rpm, and then what? |
| 01:36.17 | danix | source rather :) |
| 01:36.17 | Cooner750 | Installing 2.6 Kernel, brb |
| 01:36.17 | danix | untar into ~/src |
| 01:36.22 | danix | usually --- ./configure --prefix=/usr ; make ; checkinstall |
| 01:36.23 | danix | will do some deb pakcage |
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| 01:36.26 | danix | but i cannot tell about yours one... you may need some -dev packages |
| 01:36.27 | dvs | What is the factoid about ugly fonts |
| 01:36.27 | scanf | The only reason Debian (or Linux) works AT ALL is because we all spend hours and hours MAKING it work |
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| 01:36.55 | dvs | hours? years! |
| 01:36.55 | danix | :D |
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| 01:36.57 | waspius | what is the difference between system:/media and :/media? |
| 01:36.57 | bws42 | hey, when I try to compile a file on my laptop gcc and cpp tell me that cc1plus is missing, anyone know offhand which package is supposed to provide it? |
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| 01:37.00 | dvs | bws42: build-essential |
| 01:37.00 | danix | waspius: system:/ is kde kio****, /media is path on disk |
| 01:37.01 | bws42 | dvs thanks |
| 01:37.01 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 01:37.07 | danix | bws42: btw best for this is apt-file, or visiting packages.debian.org |
| 01:37.18 | JohnQ | I'm trying to install the lirc-source module and it isnt working nicely... I get to the part where I type "debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux" and I get a few warnings and an error: WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16/Module.symvers is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions. And then /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory Any ideas or quick fixes? |
| 01:37.20 | waspius | danix: ok..i want to use a floppy and when i try to enter it through system:/media i get the error could not mount device..the reported error was mount:according to mtab,/dev/fd0 is already mounted on /media/fdo..mount failed..so i can only view it in /media and i cannot format it |
| 01:37.23 | bws42 | danix oh neat, I didn't know it allowed you to search the contents of packages |
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| 01:37.25 | danix | waspius: you might want pmount and plugdev etc.... set up correctly - or review /etc/fstab :) |
| 01:37.26 | danix | are u in group floppy? |
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| 01:37.28 | SpaceFrog | hmm i think i found php-json in the unstable repositories. is it safe to install? |
| 01:37.30 | danix | spacefrog: you will only know by trying :) |
| 01:37.31 | SpaceFrog | yikes. |
| 01:37.31 | danix | unstable is pretty much safe |
| 01:37.32 | danix | experimental is scary |
| 01:37.32 | danix | :D |
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| 01:38.11 | SpaceFrog | Hopefully i don't affect this server from operating correctly, as it's vital to our company. |
| 01:38.12 | SpaceFrog | Although, i have been installing Backports :P |
| 01:38.12 | danix | spacefrog: i am using unstable everyday... usually its not doing bad things |
| 01:38.13 | SpaceFrog | Thanks danix. I'll be brave and go ahead with it. |
| 01:38.13 | danix | except splashy - which is kinda funky right now |
| 01:38.14 | danix | if you are really scared |
| 01:38.14 | danix | peek into installscripts in the package before installing |
| 01:38.15 | danix | :D |
| 01:38.15 | danix | but it will be ok imho |
| 01:38.15 | waspius | danix: so what should i do?i am a bit new |
| 01:38.16 | danix | waspius: well, if you are not in group floppy |
| 01:38.16 | danix | put your user into floppy group |
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| 01:38.17 | danix | for example using kuser |
| 01:38.17 | danix | (as a root) |
| 01:38.20 | danix | or adduser from cmdline (read man) |
| 01:38.22 | danix | or just change rights on device floppy to allow everything for everyone: chmod 777 /dev/fd0 |
| 01:38.23 | danix | install pmount, edit /etc/pmount.allow |
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| 01:38.34 | danix | waspius: AND READ some manual :) |
| 01:38.34 | danix | debian has lots of good documetnation |
| 01:40.37 | JohnQ | what package includes "scripts/genksyms/genksyms"? |
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| 01:40.58 | usr13 | I keep getting "Sound server fatal error" |
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| 01:41.01 | eldowon | JohnQ: you can use packages.debian.org or apt-file to find that information |
| 01:41.02 | JohnQ | thanks |
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| 01:41.04 | Badman | i can't find kernel-image-2.6.15 |
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| 01:41.07 | elbatsnu | Badman: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on a paste site. |
| 01:41.07 | elbatsnu | !tell Badman about paste |
| 01:41.12 | Badman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3535 elbatsnu |
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| 01:41.15 | Sweet-P | where can I find a good "oldstable" mirror? I'm looking for the openmosix packages |
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| 01:43.59 | mhall | Can anybody here recommend a brand or vendor of cell phone battery which worked? I've heard scary things about offbrand batteries. I wonder if it's just phone company propaganda. |
| 01:43.59 | FromTO | does anyone know of a free software to design websites ? |
| 01:44.01 | mhall | FromTO: hmm there are a few |
| 01:44.01 | mhall | FromTO: what sort of design, have you got in mind? |
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| 01:44.01 | zinx | mhall: Li-ion batteries are dangerous |
| 01:44.01 | mhall | zinx: yeah i know |
| 01:44.02 | mhall | zinx: hence why i don't want a shitty brand |
| 01:44.02 | mhall | zinx: but the original brand is over 40 bux |
| 01:44.02 | FromTO | mhall:something better than what openoffice.org has. ideally something that does macromedia |
| 01:44.03 | zinx | mhall: sucks how they make a custom battery then rip you off :/ |
| 01:44.03 | mhall | FromTO: on linux? |
| 01:44.04 | mhall | zinx: ya there are OEM replacements |
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| 01:44.05 | FromTO | mhall: well something that I can do something similar |
| 01:44.05 | mhall | zinx: i just don't wanna get a 3rd degree hot hand to save 20 bux |
| 01:44.06 | mhall | FromTO: that's kind of a tough one, there |
| 01:44.07 | mhall | FromTO: if you're talking open source, this sort of limits you to html, xml, pdf, and java |
| 01:44.08 | FromTO | mhall: what other software are out there |
| 01:44.14 | mhall | FromTO: activex and macromedia are kind of a bit proprietary |
| 01:44.18 | mhall | FromTO: also, do you want WYSIWYG (what ya see is what ya get) or an IDE for a code hacker type |
| 01:44.40 | FromTO | mhall: I built my own by coding it myself but I would not mind trying WYSIWYG to see how I can improve it |
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| 01:44.47 | FromTO | mhall: I guess maybe get some ideas |
| 01:44.52 | mhall | FromTO: hmm |
| 01:44.54 | mhall | FromTO: bluefish |
| 01:45.39 | mhall | FromTO: amaya |
| 01:45.40 | mhall | FromTO: peacock |
| 01:45.40 | FromTO | mhall: thanks will try these |
| 01:45.40 | mhall | FromTO: i think Eclipse IDE has some Web stuff available |
| 01:45.41 | mhall | FromTO: http://amateras.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/fswiki_en/wiki.cgi?page=EclipseHTMLEditor |
| 01:45.41 | mhall | FromTO: the bluefish editor is very popular |
| 01:45.45 | mhall | FromTO: phpeclipse is popular also for PHP/HTML |
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| 01:46.35 | mhall | FromTO: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=html+editor§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 is another place to look |
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| 01:46.35 | mhall | FromTO: also i think there are some powerful java-based apps which would run on just about anything |
| 01:46.36 | mhall | FromTO: so you might want to poke around at Java apps even if they don't explicitly offer nix compatibility |
| 01:46.36 | FromTO | mhall: I use xemacs what is the difference between eclipse html editor and xemacs |
| 01:46.36 | mhall | FromTO: jedit would be an example of this |
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| 01:46.37 | mhall | FromTO: with eclipse you get an IDE, which tracks multiple files at a time |
| 01:46.37 | mhall | FromTO: like you i do like emacs, i'm quite new to it though |
| 01:46.37 | mhall | FromTO: one thing to note is eclipse does have emacs keying available as a preference setting |
| 01:46.38 | FromTO | mhall: thanks a lot for all this |
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| 01:46.41 | mhall | FromTO: i'm trying to get some more results, hold on a sec |
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| 01:47.02 | mhall | FromTO: alright, i figured out the trick to finding good ones |
| 01:47.05 | mhall | FromTO: register a freshmeat account and search with advanced project search, ranked by popularity percentage |
| 01:47.07 | mhall | FromTO: then you'll find all of the best web editing systems |
| 01:47.08 | FromTO | mhall: thanksI will try that as well |
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| 01:47.36 | freeone3000 | How would I downgrade Xorg from 7.1 to 7.0? (I need my nvidia drivers.) |
| 01:47.37 | zinx | use Debian |
| 01:47.39 | freeone3000 | zinx: I am...? |
| 01:47.39 | gravity | freeone3000: Are you running unstable? |
| 01:47.40 | freeone3000 | gravity: Yes, I am. |
| 01:47.41 | zinx | !info xserver-xorg sarge |
| 01:47.41 | zinx | oops |
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| 01:47.42 | gravity | freeone3000: Just pull the latest xserver-xorg-core from unstable (apt-get update and such) |
| 01:47.44 | zinx | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 01:47.44 | mike_ | http://pastebin.ca/146994 |
| 01:47.45 | gravity | freeone3000: It's back to 7.0 |
| 01:47.46 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.23 (sid), Packaged size: 218 kB, Installed size: 780 kB |
| 01:47.47 | freeone3000 | gravity: Ah. Cool. Thanks. |
| 01:47.48 | systemadmin_ | hi all. hey i am trying to load the fglrx module an dit is telling me permission denide. insmod: error inserting 'fglrx.ko': -1 Operation not permitted |
| 01:47.48 | systemadmin_ | any ideas? |
| 01:47.50 | mike_ | ^ wireless issue can someone take a look please ? |
| 01:48.04 | tonsofpcs | Later all, I'm going to be disconnected until I'm at school. |
| 01:48.20 | mhall | fuck fuck fuck a duck screw a kangaroo. |
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| 01:51.27 | acurax | How do i do an apt::force-loopbreak? |
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| 01:52.24 | kingsley_ | How does one configure uim to use the anthy plugin? |
| 01:53.45 | mhall | kingsley_: i could tell you but it would involve swearing |
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| 01:56.40 | zimm2 | hmm, ok, hi all, having a couple of weird issues here on etch that i could do with understanding a little better.. firstly dmesg output is full of evbug foo blah... secondly, i cant seem to stop nvidiafb being loaded on boot.. nvidia loads fine, and im getting no crashy issues, but i thought they didnt work together .. ? any ideas ?? |
| 02:00.18 | mhall | zimm2: k. reason for nvidiafb loading is stupidity of many default debian kernels forcing you to use framebuffer |
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| 02:00.43 | zimm2 | mhall, ok .. how do i stop it ? |
| 02:00.45 | mhall | zimm2: not sure if maybe you can disable it by editing /etc/modutils/* |
| 02:00.59 | mhall | zimm2: careful though, maybe disabling it makes it so you can't see |
| 02:01.12 | zimm2 | k, will have a go, normally just using modconf works .. |
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| 02:01.23 | mhall | zimm2: maybe burn a knoppix first |
| 02:01.24 | zimm2 | could be anyhting to do with discover ?? |
| 02:01.49 | mhall | zimm2: yes. dpkg-reconfigure -plow discover might let you disable video autoprobe |
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| 02:02.30 | mhall | zimm2: hmm doesn't seem to work here. there is some way to disable probing |
| 02:02.40 | zimm2 | ok.. thinking about just uninstalling discover .. this is a laptop so hardly subject to hardware change anyway .. safe ? |
| 02:02.46 | stoned | aliens, probing... |
| 02:02.57 | stoned | er.. oh good, I didn't say anal |
| 02:03.00 | stoned | I said alien |
| 02:03.05 | zimm2 | heh |
| 02:03.33 | mhall | zimm2: hmm uninstalling discover should not prevent you from booting |
| 02:03.48 | stoned | mhall, I wish debian could fix my car for me |
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| 02:03.54 | mhall | stoned: wtf happened |
| 02:04.07 | zimm2 | stoned, fix my box ill fix your car :) |
| 02:04.08 | stoned | mhall, radiator fans are both busted, car overheats in like 5 minutes |
| 02:04.14 | stoned | zimm2, you got a deal |
| 02:04.28 | zimm2 | w00t, you anywhere near coventry ? lol |
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| 02:04.36 | stoned | luckily, my neighbour works at the same place I do, so I can get a ride to work |
| 02:04.43 | stoned | but I need to get this fixed asap |
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| 02:09.21 | zimm2 | ok .. what else does boot time hardware detection .. cos my box is telling me neither discover nor discover1 are installed .. |
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| 02:10.21 | danix | zimm: discover1 or discover |
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| 02:11.50 | newbcoder | I'm trying to get an ergonomics keyboard to work -- it is ps/2; but my laptop only accepts usb; so I'm using a ps2/usb adapter; when I try to use it, the laptop gets power (light lights up), but pressing keys does not cause x to display anything -- here is what I get from dmesg: http://sial.org/pbot/19245 |
| 02:12.37 | zimm2 | danix, weird, cos somethings doing hardware detection at boot, yet kpackage is saying no such thing as discover, and discover1 is not installed |
| 02:14.54 | strange_stone | newbcoder i got one option in the bos that says to me to i enable the usb keyboard this makes me the keyboard be enabled whithout need software |
| 02:15.13 | zimm2 | biab |
| 02:15.14 | strange_stone | if i dont have this bios option i can`t use the grub :| whith my usb keyboard |
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| 02:15.29 | strange_stone | duno if this help :x |
| 02:15.52 | newbcoder | "bos" ? |
| 02:15.54 | newbcoder | bios? |
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| 02:16.07 | newbcoder | what is this line in the bios? |
| 02:17.08 | strange_stone | well the motherboard bios |
| 02:17.25 | strange_stone | dahhh o0 0o :x |
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| 02:18.19 | strange_stone | ctrl + alt + del then "del" after reboot init to enter the bios option :| |
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| 02:24.23 | zimm2 | weird .. just weird .. |
| 02:24.35 | zimm2 | no difference at all .. |
| 02:25.03 | zimm2 | i give up, ... weirdest thing is that this shit is actually causing NO problems .. |
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| 02:31.40 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
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| 02:34.03 | caleb- | Hi! I am translating ddtp's package descriptions. I do not know what this means: "It typically compresses files to within 10% to 15% of the best available techniques." |
| 02:34.23 | caleb- | It is libbzip2's description. |
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| 02:36.03 | BlackDragon42 | People are talkative today... |
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| 02:37.10 | thingfish | I guess no one is having problems. |
| 02:37.45 | BlackDragon42 | Well, the only problems I'm having are hardware problems. |
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| 02:37.59 | thingfish | or, at least, questions those watching know how to solve. |
| 02:38.11 | thingfish | oh what kind of hardware problems? |
| 02:38.32 | thingfish | you know there's a hardware channel. |
| 02:38.37 | thingfish | #hardware |
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| 02:39.00 | BlackDragon42 | Well, the computer totally locks up after running a little while, especially starting KDE. |
| 02:39.26 | thingfish | BlackDragon42: have you run memtest86+ yet? |
| 02:39.34 | BlackDragon42 | Yes. |
| 02:39.40 | thingfish | what did it show? |
| 02:39.52 | BlackDragon42 | I didn't see any problems there. |
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| 02:40.00 | jariep1_ | hello all |
| 02:40.06 | thingfish | BlackDragon42: how long did you run it? |
| 02:40.20 | BlackDragon42 | Quite a while. |
| 02:40.21 | thingfish | BlackDragon42: do you dual boot? Does the machine run fine in windows? |
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| 02:40.31 | pinky_ | Why is the version of Xfce in testing a beta version? Since when did beta software make it into Etch? |
| 02:40.36 | jariep1_ | I have a question about restarting the debian net-installer after installation is complete, how do i restart the dialog? |
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| 02:40.51 | thingfish | jariep1_: try base-config |
| 02:41.09 | jariep1_ | yes, that was it, thanks thingfish |
| 02:41.13 | BlackDragon42 | No, I don't dual boot. I run Debian itself. |
| 02:41.34 | stoned | yo thing |
| 02:41.39 | LinuxHelp | !reiserfs |
| 02:41.39 | dpkg | somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
| 02:41.42 | stoned | hows it hangin |
| 02:41.50 | thingfish | BlackDragon42: what makes you think it's hardware (probably video card, if anything, since memtest was good)? |
| 02:41.55 | pinky_ | Hi stoned, I'm stoned. |
| 02:41.58 | BlackDragon42 | On dmesg, it does say that the bus speed is ~ 200 MHz. |
| 02:41.58 | thingfish | hey stoned |
| 02:42.12 | BlackDragon42 | I know that isn't right. |
| 02:42.22 | thingfish | I'm trying to get that way, but I keep having to type and I can't type and clean pot at the same time. ;) |
| 02:42.23 | stoned | ever since work, its been a week, I have not updated my sid system, good thing I read the topic |
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| 02:43.51 | stoned | thingfish, I hope you got green, all this town has is shitty brown budd |
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| 02:44.13 | stoned | and the kb is horribly priced |
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| 02:45.13 | BlackDragon42 | thingfish: In dmesg, it says I have a system bus speed of about 200 Mhz. |
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| 02:46.45 | digit | hi all |
| 02:46.54 | dserban | Hi, how do I tell udev to load this module first, then the next module etc... ie, I need modules loaded in sequence, how do I go about this? |
| 02:46.55 | BlackDragon42 | thingfish: I run an AMD K7 at 800 MHz, and if it says that the system bus speed is 200 MHz, that's a CPU to bus speed ratio of 4 to 1. |
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| 02:49.00 | BlackDragon42 | thingfish: But I could run memtest86+ a few more times. |
| 02:49.09 | jariep1_ | how do I shutdown X from console? |
| 02:49.31 | Kaeles_food | x-server stop? |
| 02:49.44 | jariep1_ | ok, thank you kaeles_food |
| 02:49.47 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Use top or ps to find the PID and kill the process |
| 02:49.49 | BlackDragon42 | . |
| 02:49.51 | Kaeles_food | i think. |
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| 02:51.00 | gravity | jariep1_: just kill the process |
| 02:51.09 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_:Try ps -aux |
| 02:51.18 | MojOrow | what are sb int the /dev |
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| 02:51.22 | MojOrow | or sa |
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| 02:51.24 | Lou80 | Why is it then when I chroot to a secondary root file system and dpkg -i kernel_image.deb it fails to install? |
| 02:51.27 | MojOrow | well yeah |
| 02:51.41 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Sorry, ps -Aux | more |
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| 02:51.41 | jariep1_ | ok will try gravity, and BlackDragon42 |
| 02:51.47 | MojOrow | i mean what is sba and sbb |
| 02:51.51 | Lou80 | is there a way to choose where to install it |
| 02:52.15 | dserban | I see. |
| 02:53.45 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Did you try it? |
| 02:53.57 | Lou80 | is it considered risky to compile a kernel in a chrooted file system??? |
| 02:54.15 | Lou80 | or do ppl do it with no issuses? |
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| 02:59.35 | jariep1_ | BlackDragon42 thanks |
| 02:59.41 | jariep1_ | you helped me remember |
| 02:59.56 | BlackDragon42 | Your welcome. |
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| 03:03.26 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: That was pretty simple, huh? I had to do that many times to kill a bad X session. Solution: Use the command line! Ha ha ha! |
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| 03:04.34 | jariep1_ | hehe sure I know, actually I havn't done this many times but I have used ps -aux in shell window for apps, I need to reconfigure xfree86 |
| 03:04.38 | lightcap | does ftp not return an exit status on failing to connect? |
| 03:05.13 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: What is the problem? |
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| 03:08.39 | jariep1_ | BlackDragon42, I have a non plug and play multisync monitor and I need to reset the screen refresh rate |
| 03:08.55 | jariep1_ | the flicker is making my eyes dizzy |
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| 03:10.16 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Do you know what the refresh rate is on the monitor? |
| 03:10.27 | testtt | is it possible to hook up my Linksys WMP54GS and get it to work? i mean is there drivers for it? |
| 03:10.33 | jariep1_ | yes it's 70 hz |
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| 03:11.21 | jariep1_ | the specs on the monitor say it can go as high as 90, but I don't trust it |
| 03:11.32 | jariep1_ | 70 is good it will stop the flicker |
| 03:12.16 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Did you try to set it in xfree86config? |
| 03:12.33 | jariep1_ | some old monitors from the early 90s had interlaced video at 1024x768 |
| 03:12.36 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Sorry XF86Config? |
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| 03:12.44 | jariep1_ | sure, give me a sec |
| 03:13.20 | ry1 | does anyone know how I can make a mountpoint normally only accessible by root accessible by a normal user? |
| 03:13.44 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Or you may want to try XF86Conf, if you can get it to work. |
| 03:14.28 | jariep1_ | how do I shutdown 2 PIDs at the same time? |
| 03:14.31 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Some settings on that are a little different. |
| 03:14.42 | jariep1_ | If I shut down xfree86 it starts GDM again |
| 03:14.57 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Use a console login. |
| 03:15.02 | jariep1_ | I did |
| 03:15.13 | jariep1_ | ctrl alt F3 |
| 03:15.26 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Are you at the console? |
| 03:15.28 | jariep1_ | but Xfree86 restarts |
| 03:15.30 | jariep1_ | yes |
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| 03:16.13 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: So you you are at the console? |
| 03:16.17 | jariep1_ | yes |
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| 03:16.43 | jariep1_ | I switch back and forth with ctrl alt f7 and ctrl alt f3 |
| 03:17.09 | jariep1_ | then I do ps -aux |
| 03:17.18 | jariep1_ | I get the PID for X |
| 03:17.24 | jariep1_ | when I shut it down |
| 03:17.27 | jariep1_ | it restarts |
| 03:17.48 | ry1 | anybody? |
| 03:17.58 | earthling | somehow my gnome desktop env is screwed. What I want to do is remove all the gnome created directories in my home directory and start it again but I'm not sure which ones need to go beyond the obvious .gnome* ones. |
| 03:18.04 | BlackDragon42 | OK, then just hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace a few times. |
| 03:19.13 | BlackDragon42 | Should kill the server. |
| 03:20.21 | simonrvn | jariep1_: because a display manager is running |
| 03:20.27 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Did you do that? |
| 03:20.29 | simonrvn | !tell jariep1_ about nodm |
| 03:20.40 | jariep1_ | GDM is running but If I shut it down it restarts |
| 03:20.48 | jariep1_ | it's a catch 22 |
| 03:20.51 | simonrvn | stop will stop it |
| 03:21.00 | BlackDragon42 | True. |
| 03:21.08 | simonrvn | no, only if you exit the session or kill the xserver will it restart |
| 03:21.24 | BlackDragon42 | I hate GDM. |
| 03:21.42 | BlackDragon42 | I like starting on the console ONLY! |
| 03:21.48 | jariep1_ | Ok i am not in kde just in GDM |
| 03:22.00 | jariep1_ | ok, how do I do this |
| 03:22.10 | jariep1_ | to prevent debian from starting into X |
| 03:22.20 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you |
| 03:22.57 | earthling | im use gdm but recently started using enlightenment dr17 and their entrance login manager... really kewel.. |
| 03:22.58 | ry1 | simonrvn: do you know why a normal user wouldn't be able to access a mountpoint? I need to get some files off a heavily virused ntfs partition, but can't use an scp client as root. trouble is that a normal user can't access the mountpoint to the partition in question. any suggestions? |
| 03:23.55 | jariep1_ | Actually I used to do this in the past but I don't remember how I did it, even with the login manager |
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| 03:24.28 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Try editing the init files to remove GDM, |
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| 03:24.53 | nvz | damn power went out all over town cept my house and I loose cable service :P |
| 03:25.04 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: and start at the console. I've done it, but it's been a while for me, too. |
| 03:25.20 | earthling | ryl: if it's a mountpoint why are you using scp? you should just mount it somewhere then access it with any normal linux file tool.. |
| 03:25.34 | jariep1_ | actually I better start learning and documenting what I learn on a wiki, so I don't forget it |
| 03:25.53 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Sounds like a good idea. |
| 03:25.56 | jariep1_ | and I better start learning and depending on the shell more than on the GUIs |
| 03:26.30 | ry1 | earthling: because I am using a debian based rescue disk, I have no space to put all the salvaged files, I need to transfer them to my windows based laptop |
| 03:26.50 | jariep1_ | I used to love DOS, until it disappeared, I know there's lots to learn about the command line |
| 03:26.59 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: The shells are much more powerful to use, anyways. The GUIs don't use many good commands. |
| 03:27.08 | jariep1_ | right |
| 03:27.37 | BlackDragon42 | jariep1_: Well, I got to get some sleep. I hope I helped you. |
| 03:28.14 | ry1 | earthling: plus, I have never been able to get command line scp working properly for me, probably because my screen reader is missing some punctuation or other |
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| 03:28.50 | jariep1_ | BlackDragon42 thank you |
| 03:29.02 | jariep1_ | and simonrvn |
| 03:29.04 | BlackDragon42 | No problem. Good night. |
| 03:29.14 | jariep1_ | good night... |
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| 03:30.29 | wooya510 | Can I ask a question? I 'm configuring LDAP Server in my Debian system. Maybe, There is user who have been installed LDAP packages? |
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| 03:31.43 | earthling | ryl: what i would do is boot the rescue disk, mount the infected partition, go to your laptop, boot it up then use ftp or scp to transfer the files over your network directly onto the laptop.. |
| 03:32.21 | ry1 | earthling: that's the problem, I can't access my mountpoint from non root |
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| 03:32.41 | ry1 | earthling: but at the same time I can't get root access over ssh to scp into the mount |
| 03:34.03 | earthling | ryl: i do it all the time but don't remember if I had to do anything special to allow root ssh access. Check the man page for ssh and see if it can help you there. |
| 03:34.35 | ry1 | earthling: with grml? I can't use the normal rescue disk because there is no screen reader in there |
| 03:35.46 | simonrvn | jariep1_: np, g'night |
| 03:36.43 | jariep1_ | night, simonrvn, thanks |
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| 03:40.23 | criminy | finally got m-a to install the ipw2100 module. |
| 03:40.32 | earthling | ryl: then try anything like setting up a samba share or exporting it as a nfs share... one of them will work and give you access via your laptop over the network.. |
| 03:41.00 | criminy | of course, there is still no wireless card to find. Even after putting the firmware in the right location |
| 03:41.09 | criminy | using stable this time |
| 03:41.14 | ry1 | earthling: thanks, though difficult to do considering I only have a ramdisk to work with :) you don't know why I can only mount and read mounts as root? |
| 03:42.23 | testtt | is it possible to hook up my Linksys WMP54GS and get it to work? i mean is there drivers for it? |
| 03:43.14 | ry1 | test: there are sites full of info like that, google linux and wireless and see what you get |
| 03:43.24 | ry1 | atheros and prism chipsets work nicely |
| 03:44.17 | criminy | I've been working on mine for about a week now |
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| 03:45.43 | criminy | hrm, brb |
| 03:46.09 | Aramgutang | I've got a question, not sure if this is the right channel for it though |
| 03:46.15 | Aramgutang | I want to install Debian on a really low-spec laptop (486, 8MB RAM, 320MB HDD) that doesn't have network, CD or floppy, but I can take out the hard drive and connect it to my desktop, so I need a way to copy some sort of bootable bare-bones installation package onto the hard drive, so I can stick it back in and install the system. Then when I need more packages, I could just hook up the drive to my desktop again, copy the packag |
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| 03:47.51 | Leon_ | oo |
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| 03:49.07 | ilikebeer | Leon_ finn_ neoxan SHS` corp-mule- dendrite Angels2 wooya510 nvz stoned Cabal ry1 alexscott adlpaf kintaro0e meff lightcap SYS64738_ grimse Growly quitte_ Mr1en Lou80 dserban VITIHO_ faw tenzing_ master_of_master i3dmaster jariep1_ glut Sweet-P nefertum comfrey Aramgutang caleb- MidgetKiller mxFonseca taigeR_ Maliuta Seb lakcaj debianito newbcoder Gumby TerminX tengulre unix_infidel konfuzed cusco sid spliffy Rothgar bam ekkikrist zorrolero |
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| 03:49.17 | ilikebeer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:49.22 | ilikebeer | tomaw Bhaal spo0nman cyzie FUF eth0x[a] Trixsey Lewrker BLarg Morydd_Away tonsofpcs aryal maelztrom js_ bronze jade omry_ mushroomz ead minerale Tassu faked JMT Tallu SJr|Work b1z njkt SimAtWork xsdg madclicker setog3 bt- IOscanner Alam_Debian ekix moyix Pryon memic Malagmyr Guerin JoshH litage MaliutaWrk fausto rasfar Jenkens brothers pixolet unsolo sparc samiam k-man__ phaedral Snake-Eyes insmod kepht tarzeau Ether_Man simonrvn debian |
| 03:49.23 | muaddib | does anyone use vmware |
| 03:49.25 | numist | nice, my script works |
| 03:49.26 | unix_infidel | !ops i like beer is berzerk |
| 03:49.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: unix_infidel complains about: i like beer is berzerk |
| 03:49.27 | ilikebeer | rshakin Vyrus001 peterS PumpkinPie_ Ferret Ronin bmalee SpeedyG LoRez knoxy evilgeek Adrian ctd afed dorel__ MarGarina linlin tolsen Notorious somegeek eric__ hoarycripple Gathond damosu nalioth Hydroxide DarkCow numist klikklak nite613_ Madkiss cafuego lee _AsA teago_oFF Fluten pack [machine] asg karsten nima rem_ RinzeWind Arvid CompWizrd Boil Wyzard phogg sanmarcos kreg_work ProwL ColdFyre Covener user00265 jesseman_ ramanujan der0b |
| 03:49.32 | ilikebeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.37 | Dewi | honestly, please fuck off |
| 03:49.37 | ColdFyre | wtf |
| 03:49.38 | ilikebeer | abhinay ktwilight bvs Dibbler_ qbit_wrk jes-o-mat dbe remedy mentor tabris|away CixxtyNine xdr syntaxx name n00biest niafr0n lunaphyte_ Mr_Magic smoser Dan01 agney GecKo` opqdonut_ zinx yeager mooseman447 abchirk_ zamuro Skiver junix659 yassine FlimFlamMan nf1 Aubustou_ anabain ptlis mcm itchi Faithful oKtosiTe lowlevel Tidus hobbes- jrgzls teekay_ Hoxzer nixx sassytomato jetx braintix Bulldog ft shay roche Illarane De_Mon mirak Bazy adikt |
| 03:49.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 03:49.42 | Kinks | .. |
| 03:49.43 | ColdFyre | why do people do that shit |
| 03:49.43 | ilikebeer | coyote Lamperi^_ SpComb brahma` kingsley struct DaBlade Solet_mod mindbob enouf strange_stone fluvvell caplink811_log ericP deadcat Scurz_ fluxi eleftherios anapivirtua iViLe omry__ deuce868 eimajenthat ttyfscker Heston ichdasic1 MojOrow pourriture jimmiehansson danix JJ|Laptop EdLin unreal_ jcreigh k-man epsilon sysop__ finn__ jchillerup^ jjazz pinky_ EmergeTW Heartsbane ascii gravity idealm streuner devicenull` khanman kib tuv thingfish |
| 03:49.44 | *** kick/#debian [ilikebeer!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-69-149-215-178.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 03:49.46 | Dewi | what purpose does this serve anyway? |
| 03:49.47 | abchirk_ | thx ;) |
| 03:49.48 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 03:49.50 | muaddib | I have LINUX running under a Guest OS and I accidently upgraded the kernel. With that said the scsi driver that comes with the previous kernel I need to port over to the new kernel |
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| 03:49.51 | nima | !beer peterS |
| 03:49.56 | Dewi | there's got to be some... reason, right? |
| 03:49.57 | cafuego | One can of spam, please. |
| 03:49.58 | simonrvn | yay peterS |
| 03:50.02 | muaddib | does anyone know how to compile and add modules to a vmware specific kernel |
| 03:50.06 | muaddib | does anyone use vmware |
| 03:50.08 | muaddib | I have LINUX running under a Guest OS and I accidently upgraded the kernel. With that said the scsi driver that comes with the previous kernel I need to port over to the new kernel |
| 03:50.11 | muaddib | does anyone know how to compile and add modules to a vmware specific kernel |
| 03:50.20 | simonrvn | muaddib: shaddup |
| 03:50.24 | cafuego | muaddib: should be in there |
| 03:50.31 | Daveman | geeze, thanks PeterS :) |
| 03:50.36 | peterS | np |
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| 03:50.42 | simonrvn | muaddib: sorry, please don't repeat like that |
| 03:50.53 | wooya510 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.02 | neoxan | did someone ask for me? |
| 03:51.04 | neoxan | :o |
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| 03:51.16 | simonrvn | !telll wooya510 about ask |
| 03:51.16 | cafuego | wooya510: No, openldap is illegal. |
| 03:51.20 | simonrvn | !telll wooya510 about anyone |
| 03:51.30 | neoxan | hello? |
| 03:51.35 | neoxan | i was sleeping |
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| 03:51.41 | devicenull` | muaddib, 2.6.x supported vmwares scsi fine |
| 03:51.41 | neoxan | who was highlighting me? |
| 03:51.46 | neoxan | it was beeping |
| 03:51.46 | peterS | neoxan: a spammer |
| 03:51.47 | neoxan | :s |
| 03:51.48 | wooya510 | I'm sorry |
| 03:51.49 | Leon_ | yes? |
| 03:51.55 | neoxan | oh |
| 03:52.00 | neoxan | so i cant go back to bed |
| 03:52.02 | neoxan | bye |
| 03:52.12 | Aramgutang | sorry, my roommate was messing with the router settings, was there anyone who responded to my question? |
| 03:52.15 | Leon_ | bye |
| 03:52.20 | pstickne | what's with the bots/people just dumping the chan user list? |
| 03:52.21 | peterS | neoxan: the thing to do is to disable the beeping when you intend to sleep (: |
| 03:52.34 | dendrite | Aramgutang: What you're talking about should be doable. |
| 03:52.41 | peterS | pstickne: presumably it's purely for the purpose of annoying |
| 03:52.42 | cafuego | or turn off the machine and save a few trees. |
| 03:52.48 | tuv | what was ilikebeer trying to say/do/convey...etc.?! |
| 03:52.50 | Dewi | peterS: don't be silly. There could have been a Debian Emergency |
| 03:53.08 | neoxan | ! |
| 03:53.15 | simonrvn | wooya510: it's ok. |
| 03:53.20 | Aramgutang | well I'm pretty sure it's doable, it's just that i need a few pointers on where to start |
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| 03:53.35 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Debian install guide? |
| 03:53.43 | peterS | Dewi: I have to admit, I don't disable the beeping. but I do usually ignore it if I'm truly away from keyboard |
| 03:53.48 | simonrvn | wooya510: all that stuff was so we can help better |
| 03:54.23 | Dewi | peterS: are you saying that if you were sleeping, and I called your name because I couldn't remember what fields meant in crontab, you..... you'd just abandon me? |
| 03:54.39 | peterS | Dewi: I might ping you a few hours later when I woke up |
| 03:55.09 | peterS | Dewi: actually I'd examine the irc log around the time you called, to see if anyone else had helped with whatever you needed |
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| 03:55.53 | Aramgutang | dendrite: well I looked through it and I figured I need to make a custom installation image, but I was unsure on creating a bootable image for the hard drive, which would be run the installer and then install onto itself |
| 03:56.11 | simonrvn | tuv: lack of attention, and needed some, i guess |
| 03:56.32 | peterS | he probably doesn't even likebeer |
| 03:56.35 | dendrite | Aramgutang: I thought you said you could install on another machine, then just move the HD to the final machine? |
| 03:56.53 | tuv | simonrvn, i guess he did get some.. although not in a desirable way |
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| 03:57.23 | criminy | hrm, nothing |
| 03:57.26 | muaddib | devicenull`: Umm the stock kernel that I am using doesn't have it compiled in |
| 03:57.36 | dendrite | Aramgutang: In other words, just do the whole install on the surrogate machine, then move the drive over. Should work. |
| 03:57.42 | criminy | in lspci, where the wireless card should be it says "unknown device"..fried device? |
| 03:57.46 | Aramgutang | dendrite: well yes, but I think it would be better to just copy the installation onto the HD, and then install on the laptop itslf, so that the hardware gets detected properly |
| 03:58.02 | peterS | criminy: it'll also give a device ID number, right? |
| 03:58.07 | criminy | yeah |
| 03:58.16 | peterS | criminy: so what vendor is it, and what's the device ID? |
| 03:58.31 | dendrite | Aramgutang: What hardware are you worried about? |
| 03:59.12 | dendrite | Aramgutang: You should be able to reconfigure any packages you need after the install... |
| 03:59.18 | criminy | laptop is dell. the wireless card is minipci intel corp pro/wireless 2100 |
| 03:59.22 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Anyhow, That's what I'd try first. |
| 03:59.42 | peterS | criminy: no I'm asking what the device ID number is |
| 04:00.04 | criminy | 8204 is after unknown device and the pci id is 0000:01:01.3 |
| 04:00.06 | Aramgutang | dendrite: well it's a really old laptop, so I don't even know what would cause a problem, the only thing I'm concenred with is the display |
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| 04:00.25 | Aramgutang | i.e. graphics card/monitor |
| 04:00.28 | criminy | sorry, new laptop. Not used to the cramped keyboard. |
| 04:00.34 | peterS | criminy: anyway, 'unknown' in this case just means it is not listed in your /usr/share/misc/pci.ids file. usually this just means it's a fairly new hardware model, which may or may not be supported by current debian software. |
| 04:00.45 | dendrite | Aramgutang: You should be able to sort that with a simple dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x(free86|org) |
| 04:00.53 | peterS | criminy: I note that my copy of pci.ids does not include Intel device 8204. |
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| 04:01.35 | criminy | There is a page on debian on d400 and it lists it's d400. I've tried this with testing too but m-a would fail on build |
| 04:01.47 | criminy | I mean it lists it's lspci output |
| 04:01.59 | dendrite | Aramgutang: You *may* be right, but I still think just installing and then swapping will be the easy way. Plus, then you can just install wanted packages without an extra swap. |
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| 04:02.41 | Aramgutang | dendrite: yeah, I think i'll try that first, see if I run into any problems |
| 04:02.50 | dendrite | Aramgutang: That machine sounds write-only! :-) |
| 04:03.00 | criminy | x.x. This one is from 2004 |
| 04:03.10 | dendrite | Aramgutang: If you do hit a snag, odds are it can be sorted... |
| 04:03.18 | criminy | the pci file, I mean |
| 04:03.19 | Aramgutang | dendrite: just one more follow up question, 8MB RAM should be enough for at least a CLI right? |
| 04:03.40 | Aramgutang | obviously, I wouldn't dream of running KDE/GNOME |
| 04:03.41 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Ummmm. I'm not sure. |
| 04:04.02 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Good news is that video detection should be no problem in this case. |
| 04:04.26 | Aramgutang | Debian specs say the minimum is 16MB |
| 04:04.27 | dendrite | Aramgutang: I think the Debian site has minimum requirements posted somewhere, or perhaps a channel luminary may know. |
| 04:04.51 | wsjunior | how do i change the package epoch? the problem is that im auto generating etch packages for ati driver 8.24.8. but when i try to install it i receive a error message about epoch. it says that requires xserver-xorg (<< 7.0.99) but the system has |
| 04:04.52 | Aramgutang | although it's unclear if they mean just for a CLI or for X |
| 04:05.00 | wsjunior | 1:7.0.22 |
| 04:05.02 | dendrite | Aramgutang: You may be able to make it work, since you'll be installing on a hopefully more competent machine. |
| 04:05.06 | peterS | criminy: interesting - an updated pci.ids file has device ID 8204, but that's not for a wireless NIC, it's for one of the motherboard chips, and the corresponding vendor ID is Texas Instruments |
| 04:05.53 | criminy | oh |
| 04:06.03 | dendrite | Aramgutang: I imagine you'll be swapping a bit... |
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| 04:06.10 | peterS | criminy: are you sure the 'lspci' output line says the vendor is Intel? |
| 04:06.22 | Aramgutang | of course |
| 04:06.37 | criminy | ah, the lspci says it's texas instruments, I was reading the specs |
| 04:06.38 | criminy | sorry |
| 04:06.48 | Aramgutang | I guess I should try a few things first, then ask questions |
| 04:06.52 | peterS | criminy: yeah so your actual wireless NIC is a different line of 'lspci' |
| 04:07.16 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Good luck! =) |
| 04:07.25 | Aramgutang | I was just wondering if there mught be a HOWTO that specifically deals with this sort of thing |
| 04:07.28 | criminy | Yeah, it says "Texas Instruments: unkown device" with the ID numbers |
| 04:07.36 | criminy | unknown* |
| 04:08.07 | falkon | wtf? they removed the whole nvidia driver from etch? |
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| 04:08.19 | dendrite | Aramgutang: None that I've seen, but I generally won't mess with non-networked machines unless it's a specific requirement of the installation... |
| 04:08.22 | falkon | is there some kind of vendetta against nvidia? |
| 04:08.51 | peterS | falkon: nvidia has some kind of vendetta against free software. we can't do much about that |
| 04:09.11 | criminy | would I need to upgrade pciutils in order to be able to use this card? |
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| 04:09.14 | falkon | bah |
| 04:09.15 | Aramgutang | dendrite: yeah, I could shell out the $5 for a LapLink cable, I've seen plenty of HOWTOs for installing over that |
| 04:09.18 | peterS | falkon: there never was "the nvidia driver" in etch anyway, it was in non-free. whether it's still there, I don't know |
| 04:09.32 | falkon | all I know is it used to work |
| 04:09.34 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Maybe splurge for a bit more RAM while you're at it... :-) |
| 04:09.36 | peterS | criminy: no, that's just for identification purposes, it shouldn't affect the actual use of the card |
| 04:09.44 | criminy | x.x |
| 04:09.54 | peterS | criminy: if you want an updated pci.ids file, run 'update-pciids' as root. it downloads a new one. |
| 04:10.08 | wsjunior | how do i change the package epoch? the problem is that im auto generating etch packages for ati driver 8.24.8. but when i try to install it i receive a error message about epoch. it says that requires xserver-xorg (<< 7.0.99) but the system has 1:7.0.22 |
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| 04:10.22 | criminy | the module loads fine, except it's supposed to load firmware. The firmware is in the right location too |
| 04:10.26 | Aramgutang | dendrite: I wish, I can't even find proper specs for the laptop on the manufacturer's (Samsung) site |
| 04:10.38 | Aramgutang | dendrite: and I did have a look on eBay, to no avail |
| 04:10.51 | peterS | wsjunior: change the dependency. if you don't know how to do that, maybe wait for someone else to do it and provide packages for you |
| 04:10.56 | dendrite | Aramgutang: How annoying! |
| 04:11.07 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Did you check out the linux on laptops site? |
| 04:11.10 | criminy | yeah, it's called a "PCI Firmware loading function" which is exactly what it is. But the firmware is being ignored |
| 04:11.41 | wooya510 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.45 | Natman | Does anyone know of a program to tail (follow) logs from multiple servers and combine them in one terminal? Like ssh host1 tail -f log, and then interleave the results? |
| 04:11.47 | wsjunior | peterS: i dont want to wait.. could u please tell me how to change the dependency? |
| 04:11.54 | Aramgutang | dendrite: I did, though I only looked in the laptop list, didn't search or anything, no mention of it there |
| 04:12.00 | peterS | wsjunior: no. if you want to learn how to maintain packages in Debian, this isn't the place. |
| 04:12.23 | dendrite | Aramgutang: What is the beast? |
| 04:12.33 | wsjunior | peterS: nobody gonna change that because there are newer versions of it but i need it because is the only one that works with my card |
| 04:12.56 | wsjunior | could anybody please tell me how to change the depedency of a package manually? |
| 04:13.08 | Aramgutang | dendrite: Samsung Sensnote SPC5850NT |
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| 04:13.11 | peterS | then override the dependency. dpkg has --force flags just for this. |
| 04:13.13 | wsjunior | peterS: where is the right place so? |
| 04:13.23 | peterS | in the control file |
| 04:13.50 | wsjunior | peterS: --force-all let me install the package but after it complains and im not able to use apt anymore :/ |
| 04:14.06 | Aramgutang | dendrite: but thanks for the advice, I'll try installing from my desktop, and pop by here if I get really stumped, this is the right place for questions like this, right? |
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| 04:14.16 | peterS | oh, yeah, that's true |
| 04:14.19 | wsjunior | peterS: the only way to use apt again is removing the package |
| 04:14.29 | Serialkiller | hi all. how do i tell where my cdrom is located? like dev/hdc or whatever? |
| 04:14.31 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Yes, I think so. |
| 04:14.40 | peterS | Serialkiller: it will usually be /dev/cdrom |
| 04:15.22 | Aramgutang | dendrite: all right, then thanks again |
| 04:15.34 | dendrite | Aramgutang: Good luck! |
| 04:15.53 | Serialkiller | peterS, i get this when i try to mount that mount: can't find /dev/scd0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 04:16.04 | Aramgutang | dendrite: thanks! |
| 04:16.33 | peterS | Serialkiller: yeah so are you saying /dev/cdrom is a link to scd0? |
| 04:17.13 | criminy | does a dead network card sound right though? |
| 04:17.15 | Serialkiller | i dont have /dev/scd0 in my fstab |
| 04:17.29 | peterS | Serialkiller: why did you type /dev/scd0 then? |
| 04:17.36 | Serialkiller | i didnt |
| 04:17.44 | Serialkiller | that was the output |
| 04:17.46 | teledyn | what was ilikebeer doing before? some kind of spook thing with everyone's nicks? |
| 04:17.51 | peterS | man, this is like pulling teeth |
| 04:17.52 | Serialkiller | of mount /dev/cdrom |
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| 04:17.54 | peterS | what did you type |
| 04:18.28 | `ns` | Serialkiller, more details, scsi drive, ata, sata, primary or secondary ? |
| 04:18.31 | peterS | I asked whether /dev/cdrom is a link to scd0 and you chose not to answer. could you maybe answer now? |
| 04:18.46 | Serialkiller | looks like it is |
| 04:18.47 | peterS | I know it's a lot to ask |
| 04:18.57 | peterS | Serialkiller: ok, try this: grep cdrom /proc/ide/hd?/media |
| 04:19.02 | Serialkiller | this is a del inspiron 9300 |
| 04:19.03 | `ns` | /dev/cdrom never seems to link to an actual drive |
| 04:19.28 | peterS | `ns`: how do you figure? it works on the machines I've installed |
| 04:19.53 | criminy | ...guess I need hostap |
| 04:20.07 | `ns` | never worked on any of mine peterS , and I've done a few installs in the last 8 years |
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| 04:20.39 | peterS | `ns`: any installs in the last 2 years? making /dev/cdrom point the right direction by default is a fairly new thing IME |
| 04:20.46 | Serialkiller | peterS, that didn twork no file or directory, but this did |
| 04:21.13 | Serialkiller | grep cdrom /proc/ide/drivers |
| 04:21.13 | Serialkiller | ide-cdrom version 4.61 |
| 04:21.46 | `ns` | peterS, which cdrom does it point at /dev/cdrom ? the first, second or third ? |
| 04:21.48 | peterS | Serialkiller: yeah so what does 'grep . /proc/ide/hd?/media' tell you, then? should list a media type for each IDE device |
| 04:22.01 | peterS | `ns`: the first one debian-installer detects |
| 04:22.37 | Serialkiller | grep: /proc/ide/hd?/media: No such file or directory |
| 04:22.37 | Serialkiller | laptop:/home/systemadmin# |
| 04:23.29 | peterS | Serialkiller: so that makes me wonder whether your IDE chipset driver is loaded. do you know what chipset that is? Dell is in love with Intel so I'm guessing it's an Intel ICH series... |
| 04:23.32 | `ns` | peterS, interesting. I just link hdb to /CDRW and hdd to /DVDRW |
| 04:24.07 | peterS | `ns`: I guess I'm a traditionalist, I still think putting devices in /dev is a good idea |
| 04:25.57 | peterS | Serialkiller: you can determine the chipset with 'lspci | grep IDE' |
| 04:26.33 | peterS | it'll probably say Intel ICH5 or ICH6 or ICH7 or similar, but who knows |
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| 04:27.18 | ry1 | peter: do you know some about mounting filesystems? |
| 04:27.34 | `ns` | I just wish I could figure out where freshly plugged in USB devices go .... the great hunt :) is it /dev/sda sd1 sg1 sg0 scanner mouse thingummy |
| 04:27.44 | Serialkiller | peterS, yea it is intel ICH,00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:27.44 | Serialkiller | laptop:/home/systemad |
| 04:27.49 | peterS | ry1: just ask your question, don't ask whether anyone knows about some particular subject |
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| 04:28.56 | peterS | Serialkiller: so I guess you have the 'ata_piix' module loaded, right? 'lsmod' will tell you. |
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| 04:29.33 | Serialkiller | peterS, no i dont |
| 04:29.40 | AfterDeath | neoxan: how'd you get back? |
| 04:29.44 | peterS | Serialkiller: do you have the 'piix' module loaded? |
| 04:29.50 | Guerin | `ns`: dmesg should tell you |
| 04:29.58 | neoxan | AfterDeath, did i leave? |
| 04:30.02 | Guerin | `ns`: failing that /proc/partitions will |
| 04:30.03 | AfterDeath | neoxan: klined |
| 04:30.04 | peterS | Serialkiller: I think you want 'ata_piix', but it's possible that either one will work |
| 04:30.08 | neoxan | mh |
| 04:30.12 | neoxan | didnt notice |
| 04:30.18 | ry1 | peter: sorry about forgetting that rule, I'm a bit tired. Anyway, due to my need of linux accessibility, the only debian based rescue disk I could use is grml. Now, it's a bit anal about allowing ssh access to root. However, my problem is that only root can mount the ntfs partition who's files I need to recover. I am in a bit of a bind because I can only scp in with a normal user, but I can't access the mountpoint with anyone but root. an |
| 04:30.30 | Serialkiller | peterS, i dont have that either |
| 04:30.42 | `ns` | Guerin, don't recall either of those helping when I was trying to get my scanner working |
| 04:31.19 | peterS | Serialkiller: wait, so how are you accessing your disks? those should be connected to the ICH6M as well. |
| 04:31.36 | Guerin | `ns`: depends what the item is, scanners should definitelly show in dmesg |
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| 04:31.40 | kid3 | can anyone tell me why i got this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3539. |
| 04:31.41 | kid3 | can anyone tell me why i got this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3539 |
| 04:31.46 | neoxan | e |
| 04:32.08 | kid3 | i was trying to install ndiswrapper |
| 04:32.12 | Serialkiller | peterS, in lsmod i see ide-core ide-disks sg ide-cd |
| 04:32.22 | neoxan | because it Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.17.8/build kid3 |
| 04:32.22 | criminy | hrm, cards busted. ndiswrapper doesn't read it either |
| 04:32.39 | kid3 | neoxan: which is? |
| 04:32.40 | peterS | Serialkiller: strange. does your disk show up in 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' ? |
| 04:32.58 | fluvvell | !beer fluvvell |
| 04:33.12 | Serialkiller | yea |
| 04:33.25 | peterS | ry1: |
| 04:33.26 | kid3 | neoxan: build of what? |
| 04:33.27 | peterS | !vfatrw |
| 04:33.28 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 04:33.45 | Serialkiller | peterS, are you in flood? |
| 04:34.09 | peterS | Serialkiller: no. it was a yes/no question, though, not something that should require a flood |
| 04:34.13 | neoxan | kid3, kernel headers maybe :o |
| 04:34.18 | Serialkiller | peterS, i dont want to paste the out put here might kick me for flooding |
| 04:34.36 | Serialkiller | yea i see the cdrom and the hardrive |
| 04:34.47 | kid3 | man, don't even answer if you don't know the answer |
| 04:34.48 | peterS | Serialkiller: so they are both in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 04:34.53 | Serialkiller | yes |
| 04:35.06 | peterS | Serialkiller: ok, try 'modprobe sr_mod' and everything should work |
| 04:35.23 | peterS | Serialkiller: because then, with any luck, /dev/scd0 will be available |
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| 04:36.00 | peterS | kontiki: eh, thor heyerdahl is dead |
| 04:36.02 | kontiki | Hi - What sw lets me view the bash terminal sessions in real time, for people logged into my box? (laptop) |
| 04:36.28 | kontiki | Ie, the text typed & the response from bash going to their terminals |
| 04:36.40 | kontiki | peterS: :) |
| 04:37.00 | peterS | kontiki: oh, tell your users to run 'screen', then you can use 'screen -x' after 'su username', to watch what they do |
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| 04:37.25 | ry1 | peter: thanks |
| 04:37.27 | peterS | neoxan: you got klined _again_. what have you been doing? |
| 04:37.39 | neoxan | nothing |
| 04:37.39 | kontiki | peterS: Can I set something up so they don't have to run screen, it is run automatically for every time they login? |
| 04:37.47 | neoxan | @peterS |
| 04:37.48 | ravenbird | hmm... peters is tired, or the mouse guru, or <petemc> peterS: you're the sober yin to #debians firey yang, or should schedule errands for when temperatures are warmer than -12C. |
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| 04:38.23 | peterS | kontiki: I think screen supports being run as a login shell, but I can't remember the details. I've never tried this. |
| 04:38.29 | AfterDeath | peterS: nickspamming in another channel |
| 04:38.41 | neoxan | nope, AfterDeath, i didnt |
| 04:38.48 | AfterDeath | peterS: he keeps coming back with different shells |
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| 04:43.22 | FunkyBob | morning, all |
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| 04:44.41 | FunkyBob | I started reading the "how to submit a bug" page, and realised it'd probably be quicker for me to learn how to roll my own package than to submit a bug report |
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| 04:45.03 | FunkyBob | I'm trying to build pygtk without gtk support (I only need gobject, and all the X11 crap is wasted on my install) |
| 04:45.58 | FunkyBob | is there a quick pointer on the step-by-step of rolling a package from a source package? |
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| 04:47.13 | peterS | 'apt-get -b sourcepackagename'? |
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| 04:47.26 | peterS | I mean, 'apt-get -b source sourcepackagename' |
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| 04:48.53 | FunkyBob | peterS: which would be fine if I didn't want to pass a parameter to configure |
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| 04:50.33 | peterS | FunkyBob: ok, more fine-grained version: 'apt-get build-dep srcpkgname' as root, to install the build-dependencies (packages required in order for your package to build properly), 'apt-get source srcpkgname' to download and unpack the source, 'cd srcpkgname-version', then edit debian/rules, then 'debuild'. the latter command is available in the 'devscripts' package. |
| 04:51.54 | FunkyBob | peterS: thanks |
| 04:53.23 | liable | what dictionary package do i need for en-gb oe en-au for thunderbird? |
| 04:53.27 | liable | or.. |
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| 04:55.06 | FunkyBob | peterS: what's the easiest way to recommend some package variants? or is it "file a bug" time? |
| 04:55.31 | peterS | FunkyBob: can you give a concrete example |
| 04:55.34 | FunkyBob | peterS: it would be very handy to be able to install python-gtk2 without GTK suppot... since python glib support is rolled into the same source :/ |
| 04:55.53 | peterS | FunkyBob: oh so you want to split python-glib2 away from python-gtk2 |
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| 04:56.05 | FunkyBob | peterS: pretty much ,yes |
| 04:56.35 | peterS | FunkyBob: yeah, file a 'wishlist' bug, I guess. if possible, include a concrete reason this would be useful, like an app you use which should not have to pull in all of Gtk |
| 04:56.59 | Thanatermesis | any person know's where i can obtain a list of mime example files ? |
| 04:57.27 | kid3 | is it possible to 'backport' ndiswrapper ? |
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| 04:57.53 | peterS | Thanatermesis: wtf is a "mime example file"? |
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| 04:58.16 | FunkyBob | peterS: hmm... anything anyone wants to write in Python using DBus, that isn't GUI :) |
| 04:58.19 | ry1 | can anyone tell me if this command is correct? I want to scp between a heavily virused windows box running a debian rescue disk (grml) and my main debian laptop (bat) peter: I tried your previus suggestion but not even root could modify this fstab file. anyway, the command I have been trying to use is "scp [[root@]192.168.0.77:]'My Documents' [[bat@]192.168.0.85:]/home/bat/docs" for some reason, scp refuses to acknowledge that dir as a ta |
| 04:58.20 | kid3 | is it possible to 'backport' ndiswrapper ? |
| 04:59.03 | Thanatermesis | peterS, a lot of diferent types of files... ogg, mp3, avi, word files, etc. etc.. for test the mimes of some applications |
| 04:59.14 | peterS | ry1: are you using actual [ ] on your command line? that can't be right. |
| 04:59.42 | ry1 | peter: that's what scp's usage instructions said to do, or are the brackets usually left out |
| 05:00.04 | peterS | ry1: the brackets indicate optional parts of the command, things you may or may not need to specify. |
| 05:00.04 | ry1 | I thought you would need some way to differenciate between the host and the file and so on |
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| 05:00.07 | ry1 | ah |
| 05:00.23 | FunkyBob | peterS: well, the build seems to be progressing smoothly.... |
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| 05:01.18 | peterS | ry1: in the common usage of scp, you are already logged into either the source or the destination computer. so you don't have to specify that, or the corresponding username. and as for the username at the other end, you only have to specify _that_ if it is not already your default username for that ssh connection |
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| 05:02.01 | g333k | Hi, can somebody tell me how to pass a link like this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/AI-Alife-HOWTO.html , to pdf ? |
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| 05:03.18 | ry1 | peter: ah, does it matter that I am logged into both at the same time from the destination computer? The new command I tried was "scp 192.168.0.77 'My Documents' bat@192.168.0.85" |
| 05:03.42 | peterS | g333k: what do you mean, "to PDF"? you don't edit a PDF file directly, you generate it using some tool, from some source file. please consult the documentation for your tool. |
| 05:04.18 | peterS | ry1: if you are already logged into 192.168.0.77, just do this: scp 'My Documents' bat@192.168.0.85: |
| 05:04.33 | g333k | peterS, there is a way to save a web page like this manual to a pdf file |
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| 05:04.36 | peterS | ry1: the final : is important because it means bat@192.168.0.85 is a user@computer, not a filename |
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| 05:05.19 | ry1 | peter: oh jees, I feel stupid for not realizing that before... |
| 05:05.22 | ry1 | thanks :) |
| 05:06.14 | peterS | g333k: so what you're really asking is whether it's possible to convert an arbitrary HTML file to PDF format. it may or may not be possible with tools in Debian, but it isn't usually what you want to do. what you usually want to do is to produce both HTML and PDF output from some other source format which is more suitable for this. |
| 05:06.25 | deadcat | gravity: unstable is trying to upgrade xserver-xorg-core |
| 05:06.35 | deadcat | gravity: should i go for it or just hold it for now? |
| 05:06.39 | peterS | deadcat: go for it |
| 05:06.49 | ry1 | peter: the erroir I keep getting is "target bat@192.168.0.85 is not a dirrectory." |
| 05:06.49 | peterS | deadcat: unless you're running some random non-free video driver that hasn't been updated |
| 05:06.54 | ry1 | error* |
| 05:07.00 | peterS | ry1: that is why I said that the final : is important |
| 05:07.01 | g333k | peterS, you dont understand what I mean.. forget about it |
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| 05:07.37 | deadcat | peterS: nvidia source. i recall he said its broken or something.... |
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| 05:07.43 | ry1 | peter: oh, I'll have to appologize for that, the screen reader didn't even pick up on the punctuation use |
| 05:07.56 | peterS | ry1: ahhh |
| 05:08.04 | peterS | g333k: yeah, if you aren't asking how to convert some random HTML file to PDF format, I guess I don't understand what you mean |
| 05:08.28 | gravity | deadcat: 2:1.0.2-10 is good if you're running video drivers from unstable |
| 05:08.52 | FunkyBob | peterS: well, it bombed out at the end, saying it couldn't sign the package (fair enough)... but I think I might have to slap the PyGTK maintainers about a bit... it appears to have built against GTK anyway |
| 05:08.57 | FunkyBob | peterS: thanks for your help |
| 05:09.00 | g333k | peterS, I asked that one time here and somebody told me the answer... I forgot where do I wrote it down... let me search better and I'll show that ir it possible |
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| 05:09.15 | deadcat | gravity: cool. thats the one is being downloaded. thanks. |
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| 05:09.25 | peterS | FunkyBob: right, signing is an optional step at the end, it doesn't affect whether you've got valid packages |
| 05:09.26 | g333k | peterS, Dont be exceptic |
| 05:09.45 | g333k | peterS, Everything is possible in this life |
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| 05:10.01 | FunkyBob | peterS: ok... and where does it put the package when it's done? |
| 05:10.18 | peterS | g333k: of course everything is possible. just some things require a great deal of manual work. I assumed you were asking how to do it in a way that doesn't require, for example, rewriting the whole file in some other format. |
| 05:10.24 | peterS | FunkyBob: parent directory |
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| 05:10.58 | ry1 | alrightie peter: everything is working properly, thanks again for your help and I don't think I'll forget about that collon anytime soon :) |
| 05:11.00 | FunkyBob | peterS: ah, cool |
| 05:11.48 | kid3 | how come my " iwconfig" is not working? |
| 05:12.05 | ry1 | kid: your interface is down |
| 05:12.11 | Guerin | kid3: you're not paying it enough. |
| 05:12.23 | ry1 | try ifconfig wlan0 or whatever your iface is called up |
| 05:12.34 | kid3 | Guerin: what? |
| 05:12.38 | Guerin | kid3: either that or it's on sick leave due to that nasty iwflu going around |
| 05:12.39 | kid3 | oh |
| 05:13.31 | ry1 | kid: for me, the command is "ifconfig ath0 up" that will usually bring your wireless interface back up to snuff in a hurry, but you will have to change the iface name to whatever card you have. |
| 05:13.33 | kontiki | peterS: Thanks for screen info. |
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| 05:14.03 | peterS | kontiki: no problem. have fun in french polynesia or wherever your raft ends up |
| 05:14.32 | kid3 | wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 05:14.39 | kid3 | any idea? |
| 05:14.53 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 05:14.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 05:14.55 | ry1 | kid: did you install the wlan-ng or hostap drivers? |
| 05:15.03 | Guerin | mm, wd40 |
| 05:15.27 | liable | kid3: does iwconfig show any ifaces that dont say "no wireless extensions" ?? |
| 05:15.58 | kid3 | i used 'ifconfig' coz iwconfig aint showing anything |
| 05:16.14 | kid3 | bash: /sbin/iwconfig: No such file or directory |
| 05:16.15 | kid3 | ^^ |
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| 05:16.33 | liable | kid3: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 05:16.35 | Thanatermesis | any person knows where i can found a lot of diferent types of files for test the correct mime's of some applications ? |
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| 05:18.04 | kid3 | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 05:18.06 | kid3 | :( |
| 05:18.13 | kid3 | i thought i installed ndis already |
| 05:19.39 | FunkyBob | peterS: wow, someone should have put down the crack-pipe before working out the dependancies for dbus.... |
| 05:19.50 | kid3 | how come it says i don't have wlan0 @ liable |
| 05:20.37 | liable | kid3: if you are using ndiswrapper, you need to compile it and tell it where to look for the firmware.. |
| 05:20.49 | peterS | FunkyBob: I don't see what you mean. libdbus-1-2 depends on almost nothing, libdbus-glib-1-2 depends on glib. |
| 05:20.50 | liable | kid3: google for a ndiswrapper howto |
| 05:21.21 | kid3 | liable: i apt-get'd the package |
| 05:21.39 | FunkyBob | peterS: sure, but what about the dbus package itself? |
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| 05:22.17 | FunkyBob | why does it need libice, libsm6, libx11, etc etc etc |
| 05:22.25 | liable | kid3: thats obviously not all thats required for it to work.. |
| 05:24.23 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:24.23 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:24.26 | FunkyBob | unless it's brought them in for the examples.... |
| 05:24.34 | FunkyBob | which would be silly, really |
| 05:24.35 | deadcat | gravity: the xserver-xorg-core i upgraded in unstable is stil 7.0 right? xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.0.2-10_i386.deb |
| 05:24.54 | gravity | Yes |
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| 05:25.59 | kid3 | liable: i got this errors when i tried to 'make install': http://channels.debian.net/paste/3539 |
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| 05:28.52 | liable | kid3: where did you gat that kernel? its not a debian one, and if you compiled it, then you wouldnt get that error |
| 05:29.50 | deadcat | ootput: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/openbox_theme.png latest theme for openbox.. notice the fading on the window border |
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| 05:30.17 | kid3 | liable: i got the tar.gz from sourceforge |
| 05:30.34 | liable | kid3: no, the kernel is what i am asking about |
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| 05:31.20 | kid3 | liable: i compiled it |
| 05:32.02 | liable | kid3: have you changed the symbolic link in /usr/src since? |
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| 05:33.54 | loneiguana | So I need to update my kernel, but I can't boot to debian: suggestions? |
| 05:34.06 | kid3 | liable: no |
| 05:34.08 | kid3 | never |
| 05:34.19 | liable | kid3: just give it the path to your kernel source then |
| 05:34.21 | cleit0n | how i play radio card in debian? |
| 05:34.22 | kid3 | how can i tell though? |
| 05:34.25 | kid3 | how? |
| 05:34.45 | liable | kid3: it tells you in the error.. |
| 05:35.12 | kid3 | i mean where's the source of my kernel? /usr/src/linux....? |
| 05:36.07 | liable | kid3: how did you compile it if you dont know where your src is? |
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| 05:37.32 | g333k | is there a way to save this web page : http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/AI-Alife-HOWTO.html like this manual , to a pdf file? |
| 05:37.35 | mhall | How the hell am I supposed to set up an account for the nicotine soulseek client? |
| 05:37.39 | mhall | g333k: sure |
| 05:37.48 | liable | kid3: it more than likely is in /usr/src, try make KBUILD=/usr/src/2.6.17.8 |
| 05:37.49 | g333k | mhall, , I remember that was using ps2pdf ... |
| 05:37.59 | mhall | g333k: use browser print function, check print to file. save into file called whatever.ps |
| 05:38.04 | mhall | g333k: ps2pdf *that* |
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| 05:38.29 | mhall | g333k: btw if you have KDE, the kde printing system has a PDF gen printer available if you set it up right |
| 05:38.40 | g333k | mhall, I use gnome |
| 05:39.13 | g333k | mhall, Ones somebody give me just one line that I executed in console and did the whole work |
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| 05:39.34 | ^Michael | Is there any reason why my Linux box can't see my hardware raid? It's setup correctly via the raid card, yet linux can only see the 4 drives, as oppose to the raid drive. |
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| 05:41.25 | kid3 | liable: forget all that, im doing all this coz i need drivers for my Linksys WMP54GS pci-adapter |
| 05:41.27 | kid3 | any idea? |
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| 05:41.59 | mhall | ^Michael: ok. what controller. |
| 05:42.09 | ^Michael | hpt374 |
| 05:42.29 | g333k | mhall, but how to save the content of the whole links in there? |
| 05:42.36 | g333k | a ya |
| 05:42.50 | ^Michael | Using stable hpt366 drivers compiled with 2.6.x, and other non-raided drives are running fine from it ^ |
| 05:43.27 | liable | kid3: duh, that command was for making ndiswrapper, i really have no idea how you managed to build a kernel |
| 05:43.46 | g333k | is there a place where are saved the historic of all the commands that I have executed in my gnome terminal? |
| 05:43.48 | mhall | ^Michael: interesting |
| 05:44.04 | mhall | ^Michael: usually if you do HW RAID nix should only see one drive |
| 05:44.09 | ^Michael | Exactly |
| 05:44.13 | mhall | ^Michael: this controller, what modes can it do? |
| 05:44.20 | ^Michael | 0,1,5,jbod |
| 05:44.31 | ^Michael | I've tried 0 and 5, same deal with both |
| 05:44.34 | mhall | ^Michael: i went with sw raid 5 on mine and it works ok |
| 05:44.41 | mhall | ^Michael: hmm that's kinda fucked |
| 05:44.46 | kid3 | liable: i think i deleted that after i compiled my kernel, coz i thought it was just waste of space |
| 05:44.51 | mhall | ^Michael: this is an expansion card or onboard? |
| 05:45.01 | ^Michael | Expansion, don't really like onboard :) |
| 05:45.06 | mhall | ^Michael: sometimes with onboard you have got to config the raid bios and the system bios |
| 05:45.15 | mhall | ^Michael: damn, expansion should just work on its own |
| 05:45.25 | ^Michael | Yep, that's why i'm confused |
| 05:45.29 | mhall | ^Michael: does their tech support acknowledge the existence of nix? |
| 05:45.35 | liable | kid3: well, now you need it, you need to unpack the source again, copy a config into it and 'make prepare' |
| 05:45.38 | ^Michael | Yup |
| 05:45.57 | kid3 | liable: k, im downloading the kernel now |
| 05:46.19 | g333k | Or better can I save to a file the commands that are saved in my terminal? I mean the command that I see when I press the up arrow key |
| 05:46.42 | litage | does it matter if an SSL certificate's CSR is publicly known? |
| 05:46.43 | FunkyBob | g333k: they already are... in ~/.bash_history |
| 05:46.54 | peterS | g333k: you can use 'script filename' to save an exact transcript of everything that happens in your terminal. type 'exit' to quit the script recording. |
| 05:47.12 | FunkyBob | peterS: I'd forgotten about that :) |
| 05:48.51 | kid3 | liable: what do i do after i extracting the tar.gz? |
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| 05:48.55 | ootput | deadcat: oh cool, is that the similar to the split-gradient patch? |
| 05:49.03 | kid3 | just make prepare ? |
| 05:49.08 | g333k | FunkyBob, Are there saved the whole bash history? Since I installed my debian 2 years ago? it seems just a month ago |
| 05:49.23 | FunkyBob | g333k: there are practical limits... |
| 05:49.39 | peterS | g333k: see $HISTSIZE and $HISTFILESIZE. that is how bash decides how much history to care about |
| 05:49.54 | g333k | FunkyBob, I need to remember a command that I exec lets say... 3 months ago |
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| 05:50.03 | peterS | (in particular $HISTFILESIZE for the history file) |
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| 05:51.28 | g333k | peterS, I want no limit |
| 05:51.38 | peterS | g333k: 'man bash'. maybe you can just set the limit really high |
| 05:51.56 | mhall | ^Michael: perhaps it's time to call and email and be like, zOMGWTFBBQ!!!111 |
| 05:52.16 | mhall | ^Michael: i mean, wtf, how the hell can linux 'know' of the drives if it really activated raid mode right |
| 05:52.23 | mhall | ^Michael: maybe see about firmware? |
| 05:52.42 | kid3 | liable: ok, done with "make prepare" |
| 05:52.43 | g333k | peterS, How can I set that variable? |
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| 05:53.42 | peterS | g333k: same way you set any other variable. you're the one worrying about your bulging command line manliness such that you type more than 500 commands that you want to refer back to, you figure out how to set variables (: |
| 05:54.01 | ^Michael | mhall: Yeah, maybe i should email them and ask wtf is going on :P |
| 05:54.41 | Dewi | peterS: bulging... command line... |
| 05:54.46 | kid3 | /root/wireless_driver/ndiswrapper-1.23/driver/winnt_types.h:128:2: #error "gcc 3.4 or newer should be used for compiling this module" |
| 05:54.47 | ootput | deadcat: bbl |
| 05:54.51 | kid3 | any idea liable ? |
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| 05:55.01 | peterS | Dewi: gawkers are not welcome on this beach |
| 05:55.02 | kid3 | though my gccs are the newest |
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| 05:56.10 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.11 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.20 | kid3 | can someone tell me what this is |
| 05:57.56 | g333k | how to recover deleted files from my usb key? |
| 05:58.32 | liable | kid3: gcc -v |
| 05:58.47 | kid3 | Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/specs |
| 05:58.56 | Loto | g333k, you will have to find a recovery application. Unfortunatly i dont know of any for *nix |
| 05:58.57 | kid3 | lol |
| 05:59.18 | kid3 | liable: |
| 05:59.20 | kid3 | gcc-3.4 is already the newest version. |
| 05:59.20 | kid3 | gcc-3.4-base is already the newest version. |
| 05:59.25 | kid3 | when i apt-get'd |
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| 06:00.03 | liable | kid3: what does gcc -v say? |
| 06:00.35 | deadcat | ootput: ya.. this is the "osx" split or something. the other one is the split gradient. |
| 06:00.55 | vci | hello |
| 06:00.57 | deadcat | ootput: the option in the theme is actually called "osx" hahaha |
| 06:00.59 | kid3 | liable: Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/specs |
| 06:01.23 | g333k | Loto, I found it: photorec |
| 06:01.40 | medicineman | Hey all. I know this doesn't belong here technically, but #ubuntu is dead, and the man page of dpkg says nothing about what I am getting |
| 06:02.22 | medicineman | http://pastebin.ca/147189 |
| 06:02.24 | liable | kid3: what version? |
| 06:02.39 | liable | oh, 3.3 |
| 06:02.55 | liable | kid3: export CC="gcc-3.4" make |
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| 06:03.20 | vci | in debian, is it necesary to install all 14cds? |
| 06:03.39 | Flash_ | no |
| 06:04.01 | Flash_ | core system is about 0.5/cd |
| 06:04.04 | Flash_ | rest are optional |
| 06:04.16 | vci | okay |
| 06:04.34 | kid3 | liable: |
| 06:04.35 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.35 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.50 | vci | how can i mount a usb cdrom? |
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| 06:05.06 | tengulre__ | hi,all |
| 06:05.08 | vci | is it necesary to mount it? |
| 06:05.11 | liable | kid3: did you copy your config into the kernel source? |
| 06:05.12 | FunkyBob | vci: where did you mount it? |
| 06:05.27 | kid3 | yes |
| 06:05.36 | kid3 | liable: in /usr/src/linux-2.6.17.8/ ? |
| 06:05.39 | kid3 | yes i did |
| 06:05.41 | liable | kid3: you need to compile the kernel with gcc-3.4 as well, otherwise it wont work |
| 06:05.52 | vci | im trying to mount it because i cant browse the cd data |
| 06:05.59 | kid3 | so you're saying to 'recompile' ? |
| 06:06.46 | kid3 | fuck man, i just need this WMP54GS to work |
| 06:06.49 | kid3 | lol |
| 06:06.55 | kid3 | its pain in the ass |
| 06:07.15 | vci | im going to set up a webserver, |
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| 06:08.10 | vci | anybody help |
| 06:08.40 | vci | a webserver on a laptop that have not working cdrom |
| 06:08.41 | lowlevel | good for you. ? |
| 06:08.46 | lowlevel | heh |
| 06:09.10 | vci | is it necesary to install a desktop? |
| 06:09.28 | RichiH | for a webserver? no |
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| 06:10.29 | vci | what are the important pkg to install? |
| 06:11.00 | vci | apache and mysql only? |
| 06:12.21 | vci | why is that when i try to type in etc/apt/sources.list, it says permission denied, i already log in as a root? |
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| 06:12.37 | RichiH | vci: it depends on what you want to do with your server. if you want to do perl, you need perl. php for php, java for java. see where i am getting at..? ;) |
| 06:12.55 | RichiH | vci: you need to edit it, not execute it |
| 06:13.04 | RichiH | vci: to be honest, i do not think debian is for you |
| 06:13.15 | RichiH | vci: you should try installing ubuntu or so |
| 06:13.33 | vci | why debian not for me? |
| 06:14.02 | vci | does debian a higher level of linux? |
| 06:14.19 | FunkyBob | Ubuntu is more tailored for desktop users |
| 06:14.32 | RichiH | vci: because it requires technical knowledge you clearly do not have |
| 06:14.32 | RichiH | vci: ubuntu is easier |
| 06:15.40 | vci | where i can get free technical knowledge? is there any free tutorial on the net? |
| 06:16.13 | amphi | vci: many |
| 06:16.32 | vci | can u give me some website? |
| 06:16.34 | kid3 | liable: i tried ndiswrapper 1.8 and it worked |
| 06:16.36 | amphi | vci: there's an 'intro to linux' book and several other docs at tldp.org |
| 06:16.38 | RichiH | vci: if you are being serious with that question, you will learn with time. but a question that broad is near impossible to answer |
| 06:16.57 | RichiH | tldp.org is probably a good strating point, even if it's lots to read |
| 06:17.04 | RichiH | like, lots ;) |
| 06:17.28 | amphi | reading all the HOWTOs is a 'rite of passage' ;) |
| 06:17.40 | liable | kid3: nice |
| 06:18.23 | vci | im really interested in operating linux |
| 06:18.32 | kid3 | liable: what do i do now? |
| 06:18.47 | vci | someone refer that debian is really good |
| 06:19.06 | amphi | vci: it is - read the docs on debian.org and give it a go |
| 06:19.15 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.19 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.25 | kid3 | what is that thing, anyway? |
| 06:19.27 | kid3 | @ liable |
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| 06:20.00 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.00 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.00 | kid3 | /bin/sh: line 1: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory |
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| 06:20.07 | kid3 | fuck man, i thought i got it |
| 06:21.02 | RichiH | vci: debian is very good, yes. it's just hard for beginners |
| 06:21.09 | RichiH | vci: ubuntu is based on debian |
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| 06:21.26 | RichiH | vci: i would suggest starting with ubuntu and switching to debian once you know more |
| 06:21.35 | RichiH | vci: /join #ubuntu |
| 06:21.58 | liable | kid3: i forgot a command or two, cd into kernel source, make clean; make mrproper; make oldconfig; make prepare |
| 06:22.13 | liable | kid3: see if that helps |
| 06:22.18 | kid3 | liable: k |
| 06:22.21 | RichiH | kid3: stop |
| 06:22.29 | RichiH | kid3: back up your .config, first |
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| 06:22.46 | kid3 | i did |
| 06:22.49 | RichiH | goo |
| 06:22.50 | RichiH | d |
| 06:22.58 | RichiH | make mrproper deletes it |
| 06:22.58 | kid3 | will that RECOMPILE my kernel? |
| 06:23.21 | kid3 | huh? |
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| 06:23.52 | RichiH | cp .config .. && make mrproper && cp ../.config . && make oldconfig && make && make install |
| 06:23.56 | RichiH | that line will |
| 06:24.15 | kid3 | im not trying to recompile my kernel |
| 06:24.36 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.36 | kid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.40 | kid3 | still got the same errors |
| 06:24.51 | MetaPhaze | someone call me? |
| 06:24.54 | RichiH | is this a debian kernel source? |
| 06:24.58 | liable | kid3: no, it just makes the headers |
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| 06:25.21 | kid3 | oh |
| 06:25.23 | kid3 | yes |
| 06:25.27 | kid3 | @ RichiH |
| 06:25.27 | liable | kid3: RichiH 's will make a kernel, mine just does the headers |
| 06:25.27 | ravenbird | methinks richih is drop dead and let my nick be, sussudio |
| 06:25.53 | kid3 | /bin/sh: line 1: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory |
| 06:25.54 | kid3 | make[3]: *** [__modpost] Error 127 |
| 06:25.54 | kid3 | make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2 |
| 06:25.54 | liable | heh, wtf |
| 06:25.55 | RichiH | MetaPhaze: noone needed consulting, no ;) |
| 06:25.58 | kid3 | ^^ |
| 06:26.02 | liable | kid3: dont paste in here! |
| 06:26.08 | RichiH | liable: oh, he wants the headers? |
| 06:26.08 | kid3 | its 3 lines |
| 06:26.22 | RichiH | liable: that is age old ;) |
| 06:26.28 | kid3 | what do i do? |
| 06:26.32 | liable | RichiH: he made a kernel, then deleted the source, now he needs to compile ndiswrapper |
| 06:26.35 | RichiH | he used to change my factoids, back in the days |
| 06:26.43 | liable | ah |
| 06:27.02 | RichiH | liable: i would say his sources are broken |
| 06:27.10 | kid3 | why |
| 06:27.22 | RichiH | new download, new kernel, working ndiswrapper |
| 06:27.23 | RichiH | easy |
| 06:27.27 | RichiH | kid3: you tell us ;) |
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| 06:29.57 | kid3 | man, i just want Linksys WMP54GS drivers |
| 06:29.59 | kid3 | :( |
| 06:30.34 | kid3 | what is modpost anyway |
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| 06:32.10 | kid3 | RichiH: what if i install wine and install the cd, will it work? |
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| 06:34.12 | kid3 | RichiH: what if i install wine and install the cd, will it work? |
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| 06:35.47 | tralala | kid3: no, you need ndiswrapper if there isn't a native linux driver |
| 06:36.38 | tralala | kid3: /msg dpkg wireless for more information |
| 06:36.47 | kid3 | msg dpkg wireless |
| 06:36.50 | kid3 | lol |
| 06:36.51 | kid3 | damn |
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| 06:39.29 | RichiH | kid3: as i said, get the sources again, copy your config, make oldconfig and _then_ start adding ndiswrapper |
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| 06:39.50 | RichiH | kid3: you obviously have some files missing, dunno why |
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| 06:44.28 | kristalino | hi all, i'd like to add a vga adapter to have dual screen to my laptop. What is the hardware (usb vga or pcmcia vga) would you recommend ? |
| 06:45.24 | kid3 | RichiH: how do you add ndiswrapper? |
| 06:45.41 | kid3 | RichiH: so you want me to recompile? |
| 06:46.37 | RichiH | !tell kid3 about ndiswrapper |
| 06:46.45 | RichiH | kid3: i would do it if i were you |
| 06:46.45 | minerale | How can I specify 'input commands' such as $ program < commands.txt but instead of a file just a direct text $ program < "value1" ? |
| 06:47.27 | kid3 | RichiH: what about a backport of it? |
| 06:47.54 | RichiH | kid3: hmm, with a debian kernel, you could do this easier |
| 06:48.04 | RichiH | !tell kid3 about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 06:48.21 | kid3 | RichiH: i did that one-liner |
| 06:48.38 | kid3 | it says error with the build |
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| 06:49.02 | RichiH | kid3: are you running, right at this moment, a debian compiled kernel? |
| 06:49.15 | kid3 | yes |
| 06:49.22 | kid3 | the one that i compiled like 2 weeks ago |
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| 06:50.17 | kid3 | RichiH: yes |
| 06:51.18 | minerale | is it possible to do this in one step: echo "public" > env.txt; oraenv < env.txt ? |
| 06:51.56 | kid3 | RichiH: i still have my 2.6.16.14 kernel that used to work |
| 06:52.17 | kid3 | RichiH: should i boot on that? |
| 06:52.28 | bionoid | minerale: yes. |
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| 06:52.58 | Verdin | How can I set up an account so someone can telnet to my machine and login, but only have access to certain files under a directory, and to compile things? |
| 06:53.04 | Verdin | Such as on a MUD server. |
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| 06:53.17 | minerale | bionoid: how? oraenv < "public" still tries to read in a file, |
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| 06:54.57 | RichiH | kid3: i would use a standard debian kernel, in as one you did not compile yourself and try with that |
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| 06:55.07 | RichiH | at least if you want to do the one-liner |
| 06:55.21 | RichiH | if not, well, build youself a completely new kernel |
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| 06:55.37 | bionoid | minerale: I don't know what oraenv is, but your command was perfectly valid given that the program oraenv was to recieve the string "public" via STDIN.. |
| 06:55.56 | bionoid | minerale: what is it that you want to do? |
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| 06:56.16 | swamptoo | anyone home? |
| 06:56.25 | bionoid | minerale: Oh, in one step, sorry ;) |
| 06:57.23 | bionoid | No I don't think that's very practical (you might get away with it somehow, though) |
| 06:57.28 | vci | what my cd rom does not work properly |
| 06:57.42 | vci | what do i need to install the package |
| 06:57.47 | kid3 | brb |
| 06:58.34 | bionoid | minerale: Or? do you mean that you do not want to create the file? as in echo "public" | oraenv ? or? |
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| 07:02.54 | minerale | bionoid: that's exactly what I was looking for, thanks |
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| 07:05.45 | g333k | Hi, whats the meaning of the word "lo" in the interfaces file? |
| 07:07.01 | streuner_ | localhost |
| 07:07.56 | chemisus | is there a way to view information about the video? its an onboard and the system was given to me, i have no idea what it is |
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| 07:08.14 | tralala | g333k: loopback interface |
| 07:08.19 | rsimpkins | Hello all, does anyone here use freenet and would be willing to trade node refs? I am having trouble finding ppl in freenode-refs. |
| 07:08.56 | g333k | tralala, what is it useful for? |
| 07:09.07 | amphi | chemisus: lspci |
| 07:09.39 | tralala | g333k: for many things that happen behind the scenes. Keep the line "auto lo" in there and don't worry about it. |
| 07:09.55 | chemisus | thanks |
| 07:10.01 | rsimpkins | g333k: A million houshold uses. |
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| 07:11.13 | rsimpkins | g333k: the amazing loopback stringets! Super-absorbant strings! Useful for killing very small pests. |
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| 07:12.32 | DimmuR | i'm searching for light dns server application can advice me something for debian stable? |
| 07:13.18 | rsimpkins | DimmuR: tinydns ? |
| 07:13.19 | tralala | DimmuR: dnsmasq |
| 07:14.05 | swamptoo | hello, i installed debian netinstall now i am at a prompt...how do i get into graphic mode? |
| 07:14.14 | tralala | DimmuR: excelent for home/small office use, easy to configure, includes dhcp server |
| 07:15.28 | tralala | swamptoo: did you follow the installation guide? |
| 07:15.39 | swamptoo | yes |
| 07:17.18 | swamptoo | o ok i had to do a apt-get xserver hehe |
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| 07:18.46 | streuner_ | g333k: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopback |
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| 07:20.36 | redcliffe | hi all - i've just done a dist-upgrade on unstable, now in x fonts are randomly appearing and disappearing all over the place |
| 07:20.53 | redcliffe | forinstance my kmail has no text in it |
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| 07:22.27 | tralala | !break |
| 07:22.27 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 07:23.02 | redcliffe | indeed |
| 07:23.52 | RichiH | great, i just wanted to tell him xserver-xorg-core is new |
| 07:24.18 | streuner | you wasn't the only one ;-) |
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| 07:25.36 | RichiH | heh |
| 07:25.42 | dan2 | evening |
| 07:25.46 | streuner | RichiH: hi |
| 07:25.51 | dan2 | hi RichiH |
| 07:25.58 | RichiH | else, i would have his problems :) |
| 07:26.03 | RichiH | oi |
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| 07:26.37 | RichiH | streuner: i am down to custom kernel or just an extensive rm of modules on top of the rest, btw |
| 07:26.38 | tralala | bad boy Sid, bad boy! |
| 07:26.53 | numist | whoa, hi RichiH |
| 07:26.56 | streuner | RichiH: sounds like fun :-) |
| 07:26.58 | dan2 | ~seen bob2 |
| 07:27.00 | apt | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 6h 59m 6s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
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| 07:27.09 | dan2 | well, well |
| 07:27.11 | RichiH | streuner: i just need to find self-adhesive seals somewhere.. |
| 07:27.11 | dan2 | bob2 is back I see |
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| 07:27.17 | RichiH | they are hard to come by, seems so |
| 07:27.32 | cydork | RichiH, slef-adhesive seal?? |
| 07:27.39 | liable | dan2: no, imposter :) |
| 07:27.41 | RichiH | cydork: yes |
| 07:27.49 | `Orum | 500 ppl exactly :) |
| 07:27.54 | dan2 | liable you sure? |
| 07:27.58 | liable | dan2: yes |
| 07:28.24 | streuner | Isn't "proxad.net" french? |
| 07:28.25 | cydork | RichiH, why?? |
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| 07:29.00 | tralala | NickServ(NickServ@services.)- bob2 Last Seen: 35 weeks [...] ago |
| 07:29.03 | streuner | It is. |
| 07:29.04 | liable | streuner: certainly not .au :) |
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| 07:30.12 | RichiH | cydork: i need to create a fully locked-down laptop that will not speak to the outside world at all unless you have both the grub and user password for a privileged user. as you will always be able to access the data with physical access, i need to seal the disk covers |
| 07:30.21 | n00biest | does anyone have X11R7? are there any deb's? |
| 07:30.23 | RichiH | cydork: and screws and the like |
| 07:30.26 | RichiH | you get the point |
| 07:30.39 | RichiH | idea, even |
| 07:30.47 | cydork | RichiH, oh you are still working on that :P |
| 07:30.56 | streuner | n00biest: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:31.04 | RichiH | cydork: i have not even started yet, but i will on the weekend |
| 07:31.35 | n00biest | streuner: it says 2.3.6-15 |
| 07:31.53 | streuner | we need the whole output |
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| 07:32.18 | cydork | RichiH, why dont you encrpt the fs :P |
| 07:32.50 | n00biest | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared Libraries |
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| 07:33.05 | RichiH | cydork: i probably will, but that's snake oil. the user needs to know the password |
| 07:33.24 | streuner | n00biest: so testing/etch, xorg 7.0 is there. |
| 07:34.01 | n00biest | thanks! it confuses me since it's still in /usr/X11R6 |
| 07:34.26 | liable | n00biest: only things in that dir, should be symlinks |
| 07:34.26 | streuner | read changelog about |
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| 07:35.09 | tralala | RichiH: there was a recent discussion here for using the hash of a key phrase for the actual password. echo "RichiH is my admin" | md5sum |
| 07:35.34 | RichiH | tralala: that's very evil |
| 07:35.36 | RichiH | i like it |
| 07:35.57 | n00biest | streuner: how can i tell which verion of xorg i have installed |
| 07:35.59 | n00biest | ? |
| 07:36.02 | RichiH | i mean, it will not stop a user on the average technical level of this channel |
| 07:36.03 | tralala | RichiH: :) me too. I'm actualy consider using it myself. |
| 07:36.09 | tralala | considering |
| 07:36.10 | RichiH | but you can not really protect |
| 07:36.32 | RichiH | even TPM is useless if you can get the system to boot from a different medium |
| 07:36.46 | streuner | n00biest: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
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| 07:36.58 | streuner | n00biest: or just run X --version |
| 07:37.03 | RichiH | but i only need to make sure no data is stolen in secret |
| 07:37.14 | tralala | RichiH: you cannot protect the machine from being used, but you can protect the data |
| 07:37.32 | RichiH | if there is the real stuff, like broken seals and such, they will get their asses sued to antarctica, anyway |
| 07:37.47 | cydork | RichiH, encrypting the fs will solve the booting from different medium prob. |
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| 07:38.02 | jirwin | hey there |
| 07:38.02 | tralala | cydork: ?! |
| 07:38.06 | RichiH | tralala: not when the potential adversary knows the passphrases to the keys, no |
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| 07:38.33 | jirwin | I am installing freetype2 with apt. Where would I find the libs for that after it is installed? |
| 07:38.44 | tralala | RichiH: well, that's supposed to be only in the user's head |
| 07:39.05 | tralala | of course if the user isn't trusted I can see the problem |
| 07:39.11 | n00biest | streuner: thamk a lot. i have 7.02 |
| 07:39.14 | RichiH | cydork: if i really really want to, i will switch the bios chips for one without a password and boot from cd. tpm or not, the data is mine, then. you need to be able to bootstrap in some way and, like it or not, you can trace everything that is on local disk. it might take long, but it can work |
| 07:39.22 | n00biest | streuner: *thanks |
| 07:39.28 | streuner | np |
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| 07:39.43 | cydork | RichiH, ya that's true.. hrm |
| 07:39.45 | RichiH | cydork, tralala: as i said, a lot of what i do will be to scare the end user, yes |
| 07:40.00 | RichiH | i will be honest to the customer who needs the box, of course |
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| 07:42.19 | RichiH | i mean, the end user will be a proofreader, so i do not expect any technical knowledge about a linux box at all |
| 07:43.16 | RichiH | still, the nephews and sons are not to be forgotten. everyone has someone who can handle knoppix, these days |
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| 07:45.12 | cydork | RichiH, what about LUKS ? i read some article about it in tomshardware it also has gpg support |
| 07:46.05 | numist | how do I twiddle and check DMA on my drive? I think the CF I'm using doesnt support it, its throwing errors on boot |
| 07:46.21 | unix_infidel | What's the difference b/w VNC+SSH and VPN at the non technical level? |
| 07:46.36 | unix_infidel | i mean does one have any adv over the other; eg speed, security. |
| 07:46.41 | cydork | !vnc |
| 07:46.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
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| 07:46.46 | unix_infidel | just looking for something non technical that's appreciable. |
| 07:46.49 | cydork | !vpn |
| 07:46.50 | dpkg | [vpn] see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/ |
| 07:47.07 | RichiH | unix_infidel: you mean vnx+ssh vs vnc+vpn? |
| 07:47.19 | swamptoo | Q: I just got into kde on a fresh install on my laptop and my screen is really small, i only have 2 modes of resolution to pick from....any idea on how to get it to 1024x768? |
| 07:47.27 | unix_infidel | RichiH: no, i mean vnc runneling over ssh vs. pure vpn. |
| 07:47.33 | numist | !tell me about dma |
| 07:47.37 | montoya | can I upgrade xorg this morning? |
| 07:47.58 | RichiH | cydork: useless as the user will know at least one full key set needed to get at the data |
| 07:48.03 | numist | great dpkg, thanks.. what if I dont have an /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 07:48.10 | unix_infidel | erm, vnc tunelling* |
| 07:48.14 | RichiH | i mean, i can not guard against a camera of a typewriter |
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| 07:48.32 | RichiH | unix_infidel: that has nothing to do with each other |
| 07:48.51 | unix_infidel | RichiH: well, maybe i'm not understanding correctly, dont they offer the same functionality. |
| 07:49.08 | RichiH | unix_infidel: vnc will show you a remote desktop |
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| 07:49.17 | RichiH | unix_infidel: with ssh, you can tunnel a single connection |
| 07:49.33 | RichiH | unix_infidel: with a vpn you can tunnel all, a few or one connection, as you prefer |
| 07:50.09 | unix_infidel | RichiH: right, with ssh one encrypted socket, with vpn, you tunnel all, but with vnc it possible to route all those remote applications with one encrypted ssh socket? |
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| 07:50.41 | g333k | How do I generate a return in a script? |
| 07:50.46 | g333k | How do I generate a return in a bash script? |
| 07:50.55 | kib | unix_infidel: you can route any normal connection down a ssl tunnel and get the benefit of encryption |
| 07:51.04 | RichiH | unix_infidel: no idea, i would use vpn for everything |
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| 07:51.24 | RichiH | unix_infidel: ssh forwarding is just not powerful enough when compared to vpn |
| 07:51.27 | kib | youw il need to be root in order to enable the option on each end |
| 07:51.32 | RichiH | unless you are forced to use it :) |
| 07:51.39 | unix_infidel | RichiH: right, i know vpn is the defacto standard, there's a list of reasons blah blah blah. |
| 07:51.44 | kib | ssh forwardning is on a single conenction basis |
| 07:51.52 | unix_infidel | but for the end user, isnt it just a poor mans vpn so to speak? |
| 07:51.58 | RichiH | yes |
| 07:51.59 | kib | remember the pn though is not ecnrytped on its own |
| 07:52.05 | n00biest | hmm. glxgears reports 168.281 FPS. My eyes disagree with that |
| 07:52.11 | kib | vpn needs ipset in order to be secure |
| 07:52.15 | n00biest | it;s like 1 FPS |
| 07:52.20 | RichiH | ipsec ;) |
| 07:52.27 | kib | but vpn can handle man connections at once..it becomes aq whole new route and path for you to use |
| 07:53.01 | kib | you cant ocmpare vpn to ssl tunnels..they are not simlar in their functions |
| 07:53.10 | kib | yes I meant ipsec |
| 07:53.12 | unix_infidel | well, i mean i guess at a security standpoing 1) you have two services listening on a box with VNC+SSH and 2) with VPN you have encrypted sockets for each application? |
| 07:53.16 | unix_infidel | standpoint* |
| 07:53.24 | kib | anyhow vpn doesn't et encrypted on its own..you need something to encrypt it |
| 07:53.41 | unix_infidel | kib: right, you've made your point there. VPN requires seperate encryption protocols. |
| 07:53.42 | kib | you could even encrypt a vpn by using ssh forwarding on it :) |
| 07:54.06 | montoya | but xorg??? |
| 07:54.07 | kib | although I suggest racoon with preshared secrets |
| 07:54.11 | unix_infidel | kib: what i'm trying to understand at the very basic level of functionality. |
| 07:54.23 | unix_infidel | how do VNC+SSH differ from pure VPN |
| 07:54.25 | kib | well ssh tunnels is a single connection tunnel |
| 07:54.38 | kib | but vpn is like a virtual line |
| 07:54.39 | RichiH | unix_infidel: vpn is one large connection |
| 07:54.45 | RichiH | unix_infidel: not based on sockets |
| 07:54.56 | unix_infidel | RichiH: ahh, yea i mis spoke there. |
| 07:54.57 | kib | it will appear as if ou got a second internet access line that goes only from you to this other network |
| 07:55.06 | RichiH | unix_infidel: you just say 'everything in 10.100.0.0/24 goes over my vpn interface' |
| 07:55.14 | kib | with its own routing and its own ip space |
| 07:55.30 | RichiH | unix_infidel: it's a virtual network card, plain and simple |
| 07:55.44 | RichiH | with all that comes on top of that |
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| 07:55.55 | kib | settgin upa vpn bwteen two sites will ake it seem like you got a private T1 line between them |
| 07:56.07 | kib | not conected to the internet but directly to the othewr location |
| 07:56.25 | tralala | unix_infidel: the ssh tuneling is equivalent to vpn for a single service. However if you plan to use a lot of services securely or udp services you'll need vpn. |
| 07:56.32 | kib | this means a whole new setup for ip and routing tables is needed to make it work properly |
| 07:56.37 | RichiH | though a t1 may seem unbearably slow, these days ;) |
| 07:56.54 | kib | tralala: ssh tunneling still goes out over your isp gateway |
| 07:57.05 | kib | tto reach something down a vpn tunnel you have to make your own new gateway |
| 07:57.14 | RichiH | kib: as does the tunnel itself ;) |
| 07:57.18 | tralala | what's the t1 throughput? |
| 07:57.19 | kib | or use IPs int he same range as your local lan has |
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| 07:57.29 | unix_infidel | tralala: but say if you use ssh to tunnel a single service that works on a buncha other services like VNC.... |
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| 07:57.35 | kib | RichiH: the tunnel itself does but not the connection going down the tunnel |
| 07:57.43 | RichiH | unix_infidel: anyway. many connections: vpn. one connection: ssh or vpn with bias heavily towards vpn |
| 07:57.53 | RichiH | kib: it does, too. physically, i mean |
| 07:58.02 | kib | once you use a vpn you have to begin manipuulating routing tables otherwise it will just as soon go down the isp and outside the tunnel |
| 07:58.16 | kib | you have to begin declaring subnets that will route through the tunnel only |
| 07:58.32 | kib | RichiH: pysically yes but software wont see it that way |
| 07:58.35 | tralala | unix_infidel: as I said for a single tcp service it's the same. Actually an ssh tunel is easier to setup for a single service. |
| 07:58.47 | RichiH | kib: heh, i know all that |
| 07:59.00 | RichiH | tralala: you will have to connect to localhost, though |
| 07:59.00 | unix_infidel | tralala: maybe if there's a for instance for when you'd need VPN vs. SSH+VNC |
| 07:59.03 | kib | unless you have special broad needs for tunneling I suggest you stick to ssh forwrdning |
| 07:59.07 | RichiH | which is known to confuse many people |
| 07:59.08 | unix_infidel | something simple :) |
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| 08:03.20 | Dibbler | Where can i get X server to 2:1.0.2-10 |
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| 08:05.34 | threwf | hi all ! |
| 08:06.09 | montoya | xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core are ok???? |
| 08:06.18 | montoya | there is a problem? |
| 08:06.59 | threwf | no, no rpob with the package now in ustable you can upgrade |
| 08:07.07 | azeem | montoya: this problem applies to unstable, the versions mentioned in the /topic are OK |
| 08:09.00 | tralala | RichiH: yeah, this actually needs some extra setup on the vnc server. It's still easier than vpn though. Actually ssh tuneling is possible in situations where vpn isn't |
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| 08:11.18 | kintaro0e | hi guys..i'm just confused with .bashrc and .bash_profile whats the difference? |
| 08:11.37 | streuner | man bash |
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| 08:14.06 | tralala | kintaro0e: or diff .bashrc .bash_profile (if you're interested in this kind of difference) |
| 08:14.35 | kintaro0e | tralala..ah.. |
| 08:14.36 | kintaro0e | oks |
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| 08:17.34 | tralala | kintaro0e: actually if you take a look at the contents of .bash_profile you will notice that it sources .bashrc |
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| 08:26.10 | cat | Reading package lists... Done |
| 08:26.10 | cat | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 08:26.10 | cat | Package vncviewer is a virtual package provided by: xtightvncviewer 1.2.9-19 svncviewer 1:0.1.1-8 |
| 08:26.13 | cat | You should explicitly select one to install. |
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| 08:29.55 | plutonas | What do you think about etch? WIll it be ready at december? |
| 08:29.57 | cat | anyone here can help me with vncviewer |
| 08:31.50 | swamptoo | how do i hide all the applications in teh kicker all teh time? |
| 08:32.17 | swamptoo | i dont want it to display anything i have open |
| 08:34.23 | deadcat | swamptoo: what the f is "the kicker" ? |
| 08:34.41 | swamptoo | the kicker bar (taskbar) |
| 08:34.43 | deadcat | cat: so select one to install |
| 08:35.00 | deadcat | plutonas: we dont know |
| 08:35.20 | deadcat | swamptoo: is that a gnome or kde thing? |
| 08:35.27 | swamptoo | kde |
| 08:35.39 | cat | deadcat: done |
| 08:35.41 | deadcat | swamptoo: click around. i bet you can find it. |
| 08:35.50 | cat | anyways i already turn off my laptop so is all good |
| 08:36.21 | swamptoo | yea im looking |
| 08:36.25 | swamptoo | :) |
| 08:36.59 | cydork | !wwer |
| 08:37.00 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00005.html |
| 08:37.11 | cydork | plutonas, ^^ |
| 08:40.05 | threw | does anyone has a list of graphical environment (gnome, kde, xfce, etc...) under debian please ? |
| 08:40.21 | deadcat | threw: debian has all |
| 08:40.55 | threw | of course, so: |
| 08:41.12 | threw | do you have a list of all the windows manager existing please ? ;-p |
| 08:41.38 | deadcat | threw: search xwinman or something online. |
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| 08:42.07 | plutonas | threw, no but a good one is ratpoison |
| 08:42.18 | deadcat | http://www.plig.net/xwinman/ |
| 08:42.27 | threw | deadcat: ok thc: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 08:42.39 | threw | :) |
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| 08:42.42 | deadcat | plutonas: so you use ratpoison? |
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| 08:44.06 | trygg | I know its offtopic, but how can i edit the icons for mime-types? |
| 08:44.30 | deadcat | trygg: use gimp or something |
| 08:44.57 | trygg | I used to use a program which i could just change the icon for .jpg etc |
| 08:44.59 | ahewitt | hi all. I am trying to configure an SNMP trap server and when I try and test it using "snmptrap -v 2c -c private -m ALL localhost '' FILENAME-MIB::moduleName", it keeps outputting the "SNMPv2-MIB::sysUpTime.0" values...is there any way that I can test against the MIB I added? if I turn debugging on I can see all the mibs are getting loaded so that isn't the issue... |
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| 08:45.34 | threw | plutonas: hey ratpoison is perfect ! |
| 08:46.07 | plutonas | deadcat, yes |
| 08:46.21 | plutonas | ratpoison is cool |
| 08:46.56 | deadcat | if you say so |
| 08:48.37 | cydork | plutonas, ratpoison is ok, i like fluxbox :P |
| 08:49.34 | dan2 | hey deadcat |
| 08:49.36 | dan2 | how are you? |
| 08:49.36 | dpkg | dan2: pretty good. how about you? |
| 08:49.42 | dan2 | shut up dpkg |
| 08:49.51 | deadcat | dpkg: what up man. been a while... everything is pretty good.. |
| 08:49.52 | dpkg | deadcat: what are you talking about? |
| 08:50.03 | plutonas | fluxbox is ok too. I also use kde, for things that can't be done with rp, but these are not much |
| 08:50.07 | dan2 | deadcat ;) |
| 08:50.07 | deadcat | dpkg: FUCK!!! |
| 08:50.14 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:50.21 | dan2 | !whack deadcat |
| 08:50.37 | dan2 | !tell deadcat about dan2 |
| 08:51.04 | deadcat | hehehe |
| 08:51.15 | threw | erf and while im here: what terminal emulator do you advise me (it it exist some kind of != ) |
| 08:51.17 | threw | ? |
| 08:51.28 | dan2 | deadcat, it's been a while |
| 08:51.37 | dan2 | deadcat, what have you been up to |
| 08:51.40 | deadcat | dan2: ya.. where have you been? |
| 08:51.50 | vci | hello, i have a problem in finding an active debian package server for my sources-list. plz help i'm still new :) |
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| 08:51.54 | dan2 | deadcat, in a distant far away place |
| 08:51.59 | deadcat | dan2: school/running/looking for place to live |
| 08:52.19 | dan2 | deadcat, I'm thinking about buying some land to plant some black walnut trees on |
| 08:52.25 | sangriag | hi, what is the difference between sarge 3.1rc2 and etch? |
| 08:53.05 | dan2 | deadcat, given that black walnut is inflation proof, if I put down 1440 trees I will have 250000 to live on per year till the day I die projecting I live till I'm 95 and I start cashing in at 59 |
| 08:53.24 | sangriag | and which version is ideal for an old machine? I need just base installation to install asterisk and ser |
| 08:53.57 | threw | sangriag: use sarge if you rae new to debian. etch is the "testing" version of sarge |
| 08:53.58 | dan2 | deadcat, so if they start pumping out american pesos like water the value of the wood will increase to compensate |
| 08:54.03 | threw | *are |
| 08:54.43 | dan2 | deadcat, I was told I could about 500 trees per acre (seems much to me), but I want to fill up ~25 acres worth of walnuts |
| 08:55.11 | dan2 | deadcat, math done based on average of 5k to 6k per tree |
| 08:55.39 | vci | can anyone help in adding a usb-cdrom in the sources-list? so far my methods are not working |
| 08:56.00 | dan2 | vci, man sources.list |
| 08:56.28 | dan2 | vci, in your worst case scenario, mount the usb cdrom ahead of time |
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| 08:57.08 | dan2 | the manuals are well documented |
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| 08:57.47 | raghu206 | can any one give official repositories for sid |
| 08:57.51 | dan2 | vci, it wasn't until I started using debian 4 years ago did I realize how useful manuals are in general. I never resist taking a look anymore. |
| 08:58.26 | liable | raghu206: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 09:00.34 | abhinay | liable, wot does that mean ? |
| 09:00.40 | vci | dan2: i have followed the manual. and i managed to mount the usb-cdrom. then i used the apt-cdrom -d /path add and it says : Failed to mount the cdrom. any ideas? |
| 09:01.09 | dan2 | vci, do you have fstab setup properly? |
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| 09:01.19 | dan2 | vci, do you have an fstab line for your cdrom drive? |
| 09:01.27 | sangriag | thanks threw |
| 09:03.08 | dan2 | vci, just by hindsight, it appears that apt-cdrom wants to mount the drive by itself |
| 09:03.30 | dan2 | vci, by having the appropriate line in fstab this should be easily accomodatable |
| 09:05.20 | Si_tech | After upgrading to testing from stable I have no graphical login prompt. I can cange my run level up to runlevel 5 but with no desktop. can anyone please help? |
| 09:05.30 | Si_tech | stable to testing ^^^ |
| 09:05.49 | ahewitt | hois Si_tech |
| 09:06.00 | ahewitt | doh :S |
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| 09:06.09 | swamptoo | what is the best package manager for debian? |
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| 09:06.30 | davis | i need help with apm_umask. i installed it but it does not seem to be used. Am I supposed to config it somehow? |
| 09:06.38 | swamptoo | im kind of confused....it uses kpackage...is synaptic much different? |
| 09:06.43 | dan2 | vci? |
| 09:06.50 | dan2 | dpkg lart vci |
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| 09:09.26 | swamptoo | anyone know the best package manager for debian? as in easiest to maintain, autopdates, etc? |
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| 09:09.46 | dan2 | swamptoo, you're serious? |
| 09:10.55 | swamptoo | yea considering i just installed this for the first time |
| 09:10.55 | davis | i aslo added session optional pam_umask.so umask=002 to my common-session file in /etc/pam.d but I still dont see the umask being set when I ssh to the box. |
| 09:10.55 | _support | hey i lost my nick |
| 09:10.57 | vci | heh |
| 09:10.57 | dan2 | swamptoo, apt is the crown jewel of debian. The sole beauty of apt is for easy maintainence and upgrades |
| 09:10.57 | dan2 | vci wb |
| 09:11.01 | vci | dan2: :) i am still looking for the format for adding the usb cdrom |
| 09:11.09 | vci | the line for fstab i mena |
| 09:11.15 | swamptoo | dan2 do you use a graphical frontend? |
| 09:11.20 | dan2 | vci, all I need from you is /dev/XXX and /path |
| 09:11.24 | dan2 | vci, I'll give it to you |
| 09:11.37 | dan2 | swamptoo, occasionally, aptitude is the real deal for maintaining your system |
| 09:11.38 | vci | dan2: /dev/scd0 |
| 09:11.58 | vci | dan2: the path is /home/liteon |
| 09:12.19 | dan2 | vci, /dev/scd0 /home/liteon udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:13.11 | vci | dan2: tnx dan. hold on while i try it out |
| 09:13.57 | dan2 | vci, would you believe this is the first time I've been on debian in about 2 years? |
| 09:13.58 | dan2 | :) |
| 09:14.26 | vci | dan2: lol hope you still got the formats committed to memory |
| 09:14.39 | dan2 | mind like 10 steel traps |
| 09:15.03 | swamptoo | dan2 thanks, I am very new to linux so I am reading about apt and how to use it now |
| 09:15.22 | g333k | what does the modifier --add of iptables does? |
| 09:15.27 | dan2 | swamptoo, I'm surprised that someone would pick debian without first knowing about apt ;) |
| 09:15.42 | swamptoo | im tryin to get away from gentoo :) |
| 09:15.43 | dan2 | g333k, man iptables |
| 09:15.52 | dan2 | swamptoo, oh gentoo is awful |
| 09:15.58 | dan2 | if things haven't changed in the past 2 years |
| 09:16.06 | dan2 | compile everything is stupid |
| 09:16.08 | g333k | dan2, there is no add modifier in the man |
| 09:16.14 | dan2 | g333k odd |
| 09:16.19 | swamptoo | it was my first linux experience and it gave me quite a headache |
| 09:16.43 | swamptoo | it took me about 14 hours to get it installed on my laptop last weekend, i knew it was time to change hehe |
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| 09:17.00 | dan2 | g333k, best I can say is check google |
| 09:17.03 | swamptoo | i got debian up and running in under an hour easily |
| 09:17.16 | swamptoo | o well im off to bed, nite |
| 09:17.18 | g333k | dan2, iptables --add INPUT --protocol tcp --destination-port 25 -j DROP |
| 09:17.19 | dan2 | swamptoo, good night |
| 09:17.20 | eps | night |
| 09:17.37 | dan2 | g333k are --add and -A/--append interchangable |
| 09:17.40 | dan2 | ? |
| 09:17.46 | vci | dan2: lol, got it. thx for the help. |
| 09:17.51 | dan2 | vci you're welcome |
| 09:17.55 | ^punisher | sup |
| 09:18.01 | g333k | dan2, I dont know |
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| 09:18.17 | dan2 | g333k, I suspect --add is deprecated syntax |
| 09:18.34 | g333k | dan2, yep |
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| 09:19.57 | dan2 | vci, I don't think I've ever used apt-cdrom before, tell me what you think of it |
| 09:22.10 | eps | is there a way to force a vfat usb hdd to mount with 666? |
| 09:22.36 | eps | if it could be done via the automounter that'd be cool else the options for fstab if any one knows them off the top of their head thanks :) |
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| 09:23.42 | dan2 | eps, I've had a similar issue, what I usually do is set it suid dan,dan |
| 09:23.59 | dan2 | eps: /dev/sda1 /media/60 auto users,exec,dev,suid,uid=1000,gid=1000 00 |
| 09:24.13 | vci | dan2: this is the only option i have available, since i'm having trouble connecting to the net atm. am still checking if i have the packages downloaded in cd :D |
| 09:24.18 | eps | ah thanks :) |
| 09:24.30 | dan2 | eps, adjust uid and gid for your uid and gid |
| 09:24.43 | vci | dan2: btw, i normally don't do a minimal install :) |
| 09:24.57 | dan2 | vci, I don't think I've ever downloaded a set of debian cds before |
| 09:25.05 | eps | dan2 mad :) |
| 09:25.16 | dan2 | eps, hmm? |
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| 09:26.28 | dan2 | eps, does that work? |
| 09:26.59 | dan2 | ~karma dan2 |
| 09:26.59 | apt | dan2 has neutral karma |
| 09:27.10 | dan2 | !karma dan2 |
| 09:27.11 | dpkg | dan2 has karma of 2 |
| 09:27.16 | dan2 | !karma++ dan2 |
| 09:27.18 | eps | dan2 I'm helping a user in another channel to setup his usb hdd...problem is he wants to do to many things with vfat and doesn't want to move to ext2/3 |
| 09:27.28 | dan2 | eps, vfat blows |
| 09:27.46 | eps | he needs it to be written to from an apache user and his user at the same time :| |
| 09:27.50 | eps | dan2 agreed |
| 09:28.06 | dan2 | eps, why don't you tell him to get realistic and use a file system that isn't terrible |
| 09:28.21 | eps | I bit the bullet a long time ago and I just carry around ext2/3 drivers for windows on my pen disc so I don't use vfat at all any more :P (cept on my pen disc of course) |
| 09:28.36 | eps | dan2 have done :P |
| 09:28.49 | eps | unfortunately I don't think he is overly helpable |
| 09:29.00 | dan2 | eps, I have one upped you |
| 09:29.10 | dan2 | eps, I have seperate hard drives for windows and linux on my laptop |
| 09:29.14 | dan2 | eps, just swap and run |
| 09:29.14 | Guerin | dan2 is all about oneuppery |
| 09:29.15 | dan2 | :) |
| 09:29.23 | dan2 | guerin, amen to that |
| 09:29.26 | eps | mmm he seems to be happy with the fstab line you gave, I told him to not run it as auto so he can swap |
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| 09:29.34 | dan2 | eps hahahahahhaha |
| 09:29.46 | vci | dan2: know what, i still need to download apache packages. will have to wait for it to finis. so im done for the moment. |
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| 09:32.20 | eps | dan2 haha |
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| 09:32.56 | eps | dan2 since I got a mac windows hasn't really been an issue, between linux (w/ emulation and wine/cedega) and mac I can run practically anything :) |
| 09:33.09 | eps | just got to make sure I stay compatible with the windows world though :P |
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| 09:34.22 | notmyrealnick | I'm having a tor/freenode problem, but it looks like no one can help me on the #tor channel so far: |
| 09:34.28 | notmyrealnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.28 | dan2 | eps, the reason I always come back to linux is that I really like to program and windows is a terrible development environment |
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| 09:35.48 | dan2 | eps, my favorite language is OcaML |
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| 09:36.31 | eps | 0caML...I am unfamiliar with that |
| 09:36.35 | eps | my fav ide is xcode :D |
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| 09:37.01 | eps | anyway, gaming time :D *fires up eve* |
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| 09:43.02 | g333k | If I would like to open ports for amule, is these command correct? #iptables -A INPUT --dport 4662 -j ACCEPT |
| 09:43.21 | g333k | this* |
| 09:43.26 | snail | notmyrealnick: what range of tor services have you tried? |
| 09:44.53 | Maakuth | ?honestly what are this + and - thing about |
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| 09:46.15 | notmyrealnick | snail, Idon't really know what range of services. tor works pretty fine when web browsing and connecting to instant messaging networks like msn messenger, and it did work for freenode as well two or three days ago. then it started behaving like that, but it still works for the other stuff |
| 09:47.27 | snail | notmyrealnick: and it only fails for irc? still fine for web? |
| 09:48.45 | notmyrealnick | yes still fine for web and instant messaging (msn messenger over gaim) |
| 09:50.51 | snail | notmyrealnick: have you tried several different servers in the freenode network? |
| 09:51.52 | liable | notmyrealnick: ask in #freenode |
| 09:52.22 | snail | and make sure you've read and understood http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 09:52.22 | liable | notmyrealnick: wth do you mean by connect to the hidden service? |
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| 09:54.18 | notmyrealnick | I mean |
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| 09:55.23 | notmyrealnick | instead to connect to irc.freenode.org, I connect to a .onion address, that's what freenode says I should do to access thru tor, and it did work a couple of days ago, it only stopped working yesterday or the day before. |
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| 09:57.13 | AhrAsyL | =) |
| 09:58.07 | snail | notmyrealnick: "what freenode says" ? is there a url for that? |
| 09:58.46 | notmyrealnick | whan I first tried to connect thru tor, I got a message in my client (xchat) saying what to do |
| 09:59.51 | snail | notmyrealnick: ask in #freenode |
| 10:00.06 | notmyrealnick | I tried that |
| 10:00.21 | unix_infidel | maybe ask in #tor |
| 10:00.28 | unix_infidel | that way you dont have to wait to get voiced... |
| 10:00.34 | notmyrealnick | I wasn't able to join freenode, I got redirected to #freenode-social and I couldnt post there... |
| 10:00.38 | notmyrealnick | but I'll try again |
| 10:00.59 | notmyrealnick | I asked in #tor as well, no one could help so far, but I'll keep trying |
| 10:04.35 | sangriag | hi I visted the dotdeb.org and there are two versions of the mysql-server 4.1 and 5.0, how to install version 5 using their repository? apt-get install mysql-server-5? |
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| 10:05.10 | unix_infidel | sangriag: i'd try apt-cache search mysql and select the one that "shows" as v5.0 |
| 10:05.19 | sangriag | thanks |
| 10:05.31 | cydork | sangriag, did you add their repos?? |
| 10:05.39 | unix_infidel | heh, i assumed too much there. |
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| 10:05.47 | unix_infidel | would be a good idea to add the repos to sources.list :P |
| 10:06.20 | cydork | unix_infidel, hehe :) |
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| 10:10.57 | Flash_ | Is there a good system to stop automatic http exploit attacks, proxy attempts, smtp relay attempts by global blacklist, or should I just ignore the attempts? |
| 10:11.29 | cydork | Flash_: check fail2ban |
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| 10:12.45 | cydork | Flash_: but i think it's just for passwd failures |
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| 10:13.52 | Flash_ | Yes - tried that, and it reacts rather than blocks before the attack. I was looking for something that blocked IP's of compromised systems |
| 10:14.14 | Flash_ | it's just irritating reading the logs each morning and seeing how many attacks my box is getting |
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| 10:15.58 | liable | Flash_: how would a program know that a system is compromised? |
| 10:16.03 | unix_infidel | Flash_: maybe write a script to see if # of failed attempts from $IP's failed, then add to a global blacklist script. |
| 10:16.06 | unix_infidel | like iptables or something. |
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| 10:16.21 | unix_infidel | that'd get messy real fast though. |
| 10:16.28 | Flash_ | Aye. |
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| 10:16.54 | Flash_ | liable - the type of scripted http exploit attacks, smtp relay attempts, ssh brute attempts - etc etc |
| 10:17.19 | unix_infidel | Flash_: with ssh brute attempts, you can mostly ignore those if you use passwordless authentication with a key. |
| 10:17.21 | cydork | unix_infidale, that's what fail2ban does |
| 10:17.24 | Flash_ | you see the 404 logs of apache and they're full of unreferenced searches for blog/cms/email software that are known to be compromised |
| 10:17.53 | Flash_ | unix_infidel - actually, ssh is not a worry for me. I've the luxury I can block it at the firewall for all but my own home ip |
| 10:18.10 | Flash_ | I want something like spamhaus, but for global attacks of "naughty ips" so I can block all access by that ip / isp. |
| 10:18.19 | Flash_ | but I don't think such a beastie exists yet |
| 10:18.41 | Flash_ | for example, blocking taiwan cut my smtp relay attempts by 90% |
| 10:18.55 | unix_infidel | Flash_: like i said, you could write a script and set a threshold for the block, but that could get crazy. |
| 10:19.02 | unix_infidel | Flash_: blocking tw? |
| 10:19.14 | unix_infidel | how'd you do that? |
| 10:19.14 | Flash_ | Yes, would really need a managed central database full of monkeys who could admin and keep it relevant |
| 10:19.51 | Flash_ | hosts.deny = ALL: .tw |
| 10:19.53 | unix_infidel | Flash_: that's what microsoft plans to do with its new antigen service, THEY get all the attacks, and process the stuff for you. |
| 10:20.05 | Flash_ | blimey |
| 10:20.17 | unix_infidel | Flash_: ahh, i thought you meant on an IP basis. |
| 10:20.29 | DerJamster | Flash_: iptables -A INPUT -m geoIP --src-cc TW -j DROP ;) |
| 10:20.31 | unix_infidel | what do you have a poor box do a lookup for each IP :P |
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| 10:20.51 | Flash_ | I have very little legitimate traffic, I don't mind the overhead :) |
| 10:22.02 | unix_infidel | i dont think the antigen service is going to last long though. |
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| 10:22.34 | unix_infidel | FOSS dudes will eventually create an adaptive database and just have clients connect to it and download it like you would AV def updates. |
| 10:22.51 | dest | hi every one |
| 10:22.58 | Flash_ | I think there exists potential for a system where any source (IP/range/some_unique_id) which produces X amounts of known "bad" data, should be blacklisted as either belonging to a script kiddie, or compromised by a virus. |
| 10:23.34 | Flash_ | But I'm not smart enough to build or manage such a thing. |
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| 10:23.58 | unix_infidel | i dont think i quite understand what you mean when you talk about all these exploits and attacks. |
| 10:24.07 | unix_infidel | i'm dumb and have no experience in industry. so that explains it :P |
| 10:24.24 | unix_infidel | i mean ssh i'm familiar with, but these smtp and 404 logs you're talking about with the compromised boxen. |
| 10:25.02 | Flash_ | I'll throw some logs at a pastebin somewhere, one mo |
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| 10:26.53 | liable | i get maybe 2 relaying attempts a day, and one or two attempted http exploits a month |
| 10:27.28 | zophyx | my sshd gets hammered really hard with brute force attempts |
| 10:27.28 | liable | plus between 2-20 ssh attempts. |
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| 10:28.03 | liable | zophyx: use fail2ban or the 'recent' module from iptables |
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| 10:29.21 | Flash_ | unix_infidel: an example http://channels.debian.net/paste/3540 |
| 10:29.55 | Flash_ | Nothing's getting through, I'd just feel happier if there was some way of preventing these muppets from even trying. |
| 10:30.04 | dan2 | ~listerine |
| 10:30.11 | WhataDUCK | hi - is the non-free flashplayer currently broken ? after the last upgrade all flash sites are loading - music is playing - but no gfx ?!? |
| 10:30.15 | dan2 | hmm no listerine huh dpkg |
| 10:30.22 | dan2 | !listerine |
| 10:30.26 | dan2 | !mouthwash |
| 10:30.31 | dan2 | I'm impressed |
| 10:30.37 | dan2 | I could have sworn this had to be in there |
| 10:30.38 | zophyx | i had someone using my server in what appeared to be a DNS response attack that was similar to how you can smurf somebody using a false recipient IP whilst you ping broadcast addresses |
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| 10:30.50 | Flash_ | I want a condom for my server :( |
| 10:31.11 | WhataDUCK | flash use linux-vserver - a perfect condom |
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| 10:32.06 | Flash_ | it doesn't talk to anybody? |
| 10:32.27 | liable | Flash_: are you sure those mod_proxy probes arent from irc? |
| 10:32.49 | liable | port #6667 |
| 10:32.50 | Flash_ | liable - umm, you might actually be right there |
| 10:32.55 | Flash_ | well spotted |
| 10:33.16 | Flash_ | kk, so ignore the 6667's |
| 10:33.36 | Flash_ | that one resolves to proxyscan.quakenet.org is a good hint :) |
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| 10:34.05 | DerJamster | heh :) |
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| 10:46.39 | basanta | can't add printer in my etch box after cupsys upgrade |
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| 10:52.47 | xerophyte | Cpu(s): 0.3% us, 1.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 42.3% id, 3.0% wa, 53.3% hi, 0.0% si I know id = idle, and us=user, sy=system, but what does wa, hi, si eash mean? |
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| 10:52.49 | zepphire | is there a good way to get it displayed? i have this mp3 player with a harddrive and i dropped it on the floor yesterday, and i would like to see how many badblocks i got |
| 10:53.42 | CSWookie | How do I determine the the version of a particular library I'm installing/ |
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| 10:57.08 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:57.09 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
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| 11:04.33 | yang | Is there a project website for chat/gallery ... where people could upload their photos and chat? |
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| 11:04.47 | yang | Is such a package in debian? |
| 11:05.20 | Frostbite | Bit of an odd question, but I've asked a couple of times in #ubuntu and nobody seems to know :). I'm a long time debian user but am looking at ubuntu for someone else. Does anyone know if Ubuntu Server does, really, use debian unstable as an upstream? |
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| 11:09.49 | Kaeles_food | is there a way to mount an ISO ? |
| 11:09.59 | Kaeles_food | or to decompress it ? |
| 11:10.03 | jkp | mount -o loop ? |
| 11:10.25 | Kaeles_food | kk thanks |
| 11:10.25 | jkp | but id imagine thats how |
| 11:10.33 | cydork | jkp, you imagine right :) |
| 11:10.47 | jkp | cool :po |
| 11:10.53 | jkp | (-o) |
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| 11:11.32 | Kaeles_food | hmmm |
| 11:11.46 | Kaeles_food | like mount -o loop ISOname ? |
| 11:12.38 | jkp | something like that, im not sure on the specifics in that case |
| 11:12.44 | jkp | you may need a type as well |
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| 11:13.18 | jkp | you have to have loopback in your kernel |
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| 11:13.25 | jkp | but id imagine unless you custom compiled its there |
| 11:14.55 | Kaeles_food | lol |
| 11:15.02 | jkp | Kaeles_food: mount -oloop /foo.iso /mnt/iso |
| 11:15.08 | Kaeles_food | oh ok |
| 11:15.09 | Kaeles_food | thanks |
| 11:15.09 | Kaeles_food | :D |
| 11:15.53 | Kaeles_food | whoa |
| 11:15.58 | jkp | heh |
| 11:16.08 | Kaeles_food | thats weird, your name is the last 3 of my dads ham radio callsign |
| 11:16.11 | Kaeles_food | k5jkp |
| 11:16.14 | Kaeles_food | :P |
| 11:16.20 | jkp | heh |
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| 11:18.13 | threw | hi all ! |
| 11:19.01 | comsa | hi |
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| 11:27.26 | beefcake | how do i check what ips are connected to my nix box? |
| 11:27.34 | beefcake | ie what internet connections i have going |
| 11:27.36 | blondie | netstat |
| 11:27.39 | beefcake | tx |
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| 11:31.20 | Kaeles_food | why would boot process stop after "freeing unused kernel memory : 536k freed" |
| 11:31.22 | Kaeles_food | ? |
| 11:32.41 | dimir | nothing else to do! |
| 11:33.16 | Kaeles_food | oh |
| 11:33.21 | Kaeles_food | i gave it the wrong option |
| 11:33.21 | Kaeles_food | :P |
| 11:33.54 | Kaeles_food | thanks though |
| 11:33.55 | Kaeles_food | :P |
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| 11:39.25 | nvz | bah I just found a flea on my chest.. I am gonna kill that cat.. it makes an easier target than a flea and would solve the problem just the same |
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| 11:40.29 | Dan01 | lol |
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| 11:41.55 | DocOC | nvz: you kill that cat and I'll come over there and scratch your eyes out (MROWWWRRR! HSSSST!) |
| 11:42.05 | nvz | oh well fuck it all I am going to bed.. I'd kind of like to feed my cat but I dont want to feed her fleas.. |
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| 11:42.47 | nvz | I put some of that damn flea treatment on the back of her neck too but apperently the fleas just went around to the other side.. they arent as stupid as they look |
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| 11:43.10 | DocOC | nvz: it takes a couple days for the treatment to cover her whole coat. |
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| 11:43.17 | nvz | not to mention the treatment was like 0.0003ml or something |
| 11:43.21 | Ronin | nvz: put the cat in the dishwasher ;) |
| 11:43.37 | nvz | I dont have a dishwasher.. |
| 11:43.38 | omry | offtopic: can anyone explain to me how the fuck this (scam) url resolves to anything? : http://0xc17a403d/www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscrcmd/login/index.htm |
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| 11:44.09 | DocOC | ok, any more cat-abuse jokes, and my pet Bengal Tiger will just have to make an appearance. |
| 11:44.17 | Dan01 | i have compiled the 2.6.8.17 kernel and have gotten the kernel boot image but not the initrd script i'm not sure whether it generates it or not does anyone know? |
| 11:44.37 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 11:44.39 | tralala | omry: you'll need to ask Microsoft |
| 11:44.43 | nvz | as long as he doesnt have fleas |
| 11:45.08 | omry | Dan01: tralala, I am indeed on windows, but I am using firefox. |
| 11:45.20 | Dan01 | :> |
| 11:45.28 | Dan01 | i use xp atm |
| 11:45.32 | Dan01 | linux for servers |
| 11:45.34 | omry | Dan01: Dan01 : http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 11:45.39 | Dan01 | thanks |
| 11:45.39 | tralala | omry: if you're brave (stupid?) enought you might try it in IE |
| 11:45.40 | Dan01 | :) |
| 11:45.48 | DocOC | omry: it looks like a it's accessing a memory address |
| 11:46.13 | omry | tralala: I dont think its will do anything to IE, its designed to steal paypal passwords |
| 11:46.21 | Dan01 | i'm building it again but i have selected the existing config file |
| 11:46.24 | niru | hi DocOC |
| 11:46.25 | omry | DocOC: dont think it does. |
| 11:46.25 | Dan01 | so maybe that might help |
| 11:46.32 | omry | Dan01: check the link I sent you |
| 11:46.36 | omry | it had instructions |
| 11:46.45 | Dan01 | ah |
| 11:46.48 | Dan01 | i see |
| 11:46.56 | DocOC | hey niru |
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| 11:47.45 | tralala | omry: the first part is clearly designed to do something nasty to the web browser/mail reader in order for the whole stealing to work at all. |
| 11:47.56 | omry | tralala: it resolves fine on debian with lynx. |
| 11:47.58 | niru | I want to build an installable CD ISO image |
| 11:48.02 | omry | tralala: there goes your thory. |
| 11:48.08 | omry | theory. |
| 11:48.51 | omry | tralala: if you ask me its designed to confuse people, make them think: hey, its just some computer crap number, not important. |
| 11:49.02 | omry | question is why it resolved. |
| 11:49.03 | omry | s |
| 11:49.09 | niru | based on debian and which uses d-i |
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| 11:49.41 | DocOC | omry: on second examination, that is an ip-address in hexadecimal |
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| 11:50.21 | omry | DocOC: now you are talking. |
| 11:50.27 | omry | mystery solved. |
| 11:50.44 | omry | I didn't know you can enter those in this form to browsers |
| 11:50.58 | niru | DocOC did you see my question |
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| 11:51.37 | DocOC | niru: didn't really see a question in there, just a statement of your intentions... |
| 11:51.51 | cydork | niru, check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 11:52.42 | niru | I saw that website cydork |
| 11:53.03 | niru | But I want to have a testing version CD |
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| 11:53.25 | niru | For that I need to use jigdo file as mentioned in that site |
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| 11:53.46 | niru | I am unable to download a netinst.iso for etch |
| 11:53.46 | liable | niru: you just want an etch installer? |
| 11:53.54 | liable | !etch d-i |
| 11:54.02 | liable | hrm, lemme get a link |
| 11:54.23 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:55.09 | niru | As I am new to this field I am finding it really difficult to even understand the simple steps mentioned in this site |
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| 11:55.39 | liable | niru: there is an installation guide |
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| 11:55.57 | niru | Could I get that? |
| 11:56.09 | cydork | !ig |
| 11:56.10 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 11:56.14 | liable | niru: its at the nottom of the page |
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| 11:56.24 | liable | niru: of the link i gave gave |
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| 11:56.31 | yaboo | does dpkg --force-all package install a package even thou it fails to install before |
| 11:56.47 | liable | !force all |
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| 11:56.58 | liable | bah, i am going to bed |
| 11:57.05 | yaboo | liable dpkg !force all package? |
| 11:57.09 | cydork | liable, hehe :P |
| 11:57.17 | liable | yaboo: no |
| 11:57.24 | cydork | !force-all |
| 11:57.24 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
| 11:57.58 | cydork | yaboo, read the last part ^^ |
| 11:58.04 | liable | !factinfo force-all |
| 11:58.04 | dpkg | force-all -- last modified at Tue Oct 4 11:58:05 2005 by Guerin!n=magpie@60.197.208.47; it has been requested 2 times, last by cydork, 40s ago. |
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| 11:58.15 | liable | heh, figures :) |
| 11:59.14 | yaboo | liable trying to install a package and one file is installed in this package is already installed in a previous package |
| 11:59.28 | niru | liable I am following the same site |
| 11:59.31 | liable | yaboo: man dpkg, see --force-overwrite |
| 12:00.34 | liable | niru: i cant help, i gotta go to bed. someone else here may help. you might want to try sarge first though till you get at least confortable with the basics |
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| 12:00.54 | niru | exactly |
| 12:01.06 | niru | I need to start from the scratch |
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| 12:01.19 | niru | or else I will land in desert |
| 12:01.23 | FreekNL | Hi all, how do you _completely_ extract a Debian .deb file (including the rules etc)?? |
| 12:01.40 | Dan01 | *** End of Linux kernel configuration. |
| 12:01.41 | Dan01 | *** Execute 'make' to build the kernel or try 'make help'. |
| 12:01.52 | Dan01 | i would just make it now? |
| 12:01.55 | cydork | niru, just try that wiki line to line it works. |
| 12:02.08 | cydork | !kernel-package |
| 12:02.08 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 12:02.11 | Dan01 | the guide doesnt' say what to do when it says that |
| 12:02.21 | Dan01 | yeah i'm doing it from source |
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| 12:02.45 | liable | FreekNL: you need the source.deb to get the rules. apt-get source foo, or dget -x http://debian/foo.dsc |
| 12:03.33 | niru | ok cydork let me inform you what I have done till now |
| 12:03.35 | FreekNL | but how does one extract a full .deb file when you only have the .deb file? |
| 12:03.45 | FreekNL | .. and not the sources |
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| 12:04.17 | niru | even though I need a testing version but incapable to downloada a netinst.iso for etch I downloaded netinst.iso for sarge |
| 12:04.46 | niru | I copied the CD contents to /home/boss/cd_contents directory |
| 12:04.51 | liable | FreekNL: dpkg -x foo.deb, but you *wont* have the rules file in it |
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| 12:05.06 | niru | there I got pool directory inside cd_contents |
| 12:05.12 | niru | I installed apt-move |
| 12:05.36 | niru | edited apt-move.conf file directing to the /home/...... directory |
| 12:05.37 | cydork | FreekNL, deb has precomiled packages. |
| 12:05.44 | niru | And gave apt-move update |
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| 12:06.25 | niru | How can I get the hierarchy of the file structure for building a cd |
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| 12:07.02 | niru | like boss->dists->testing->pool etc |
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| 12:07.53 | FreekNL | cydork: thanks. dpkg -e and dpkg -x do the job for me. |
| 12:08.11 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | heya, anyone able to help with setting up squid?, ive apt-get install'd it, but i get access denied when i try to use it |
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| 12:08.39 | cydork | niru, check apt-move.conf for that. |
| 12:09.15 | cydork | niru, and just follow the steps on the wiki. |
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| 12:09.41 | niru | alright |
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| 12:11.06 | niru | Can I get any mailing list for craeting iso images in debian |
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| 12:20.19 | tralala | niru: you can get a manual - man mkisofs |
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| 12:21.08 | Ronin | humm, nice to see buildign maintaince is on the ball, 09:20 here and theyfinally send out an email about dont drink the water as a pipe burst last night |
| 12:21.24 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | lol |
| 12:21.47 | niru | how |
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| 12:26.21 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | stupid wireless :x |
| 12:26.30 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | anyone able to help with squid? |
| 12:26.38 | jharrisonwk | squid you eat? |
| 12:26.42 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | ... |
| 12:26.44 | jharrisonwk | or squid the proxy? |
| 12:26.45 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | try http proxy |
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| 12:26.59 | jharrisonwk | [GBUK]Mattz0r: sorry I only know about the squid you eat |
| 12:27.38 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | i wouldnt ask about food, in a debian channel.. |
| 12:28.25 | jharrisonwk | [GBUK]Mattz0r: sometimes we use debian to cook with |
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| 12:28.35 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | riiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
| 12:29.30 | jharrisonwk | [GBUK]Mattz0r: you could try #squid |
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| 12:29.40 | jharrisonwk | [GBUK]Mattz0r: this after all is the debian channel |
| 12:29.45 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | yes... |
| 12:29.50 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | and im running squid |
| 12:29.52 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | ON debian |
| 12:29.55 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | hence being in this room |
| 12:30.12 | jharrisonwk | [GBUK]Mattz0r: you can run squid on anything |
| 12:30.13 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | and if u'd have directed me to that room in the first place... |
| 12:30.20 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | i know that... |
| 12:30.29 | jharrisonwk | [GBUK]Mattz0r: I did not know it was there until just now when I checked |
| 12:30.31 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | just hush, okay, u cant help me, so hush |
| 12:30.38 | rhsanborn | Isn't there a setting you can change so that the CD ROM takes up less processing power, and is also affected less by processer spikes? My CD keeps skipping :P |
| 12:30.42 | jharrisonwk | as you wish |
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| 12:32.50 | tralala | rshakin: make sure the dma is enabled for the cd rom. This generally means that your ide chipset specific driver has to be loaded instead of ide-generic |
| 12:33.36 | rhsanborn | tralala, do you remember which config file that is in? |
| 12:33.43 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | are there any alternatives to squid? |
| 12:33.57 | signuts | rhsanborn, /usr/src/linux/.config !! it's a kernel option or a module |
| 12:34.04 | signuts | [GBUK]Mattz0r, squid is the best at what it does |
| 12:34.15 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | when i dont get access denied |
| 12:34.16 | [GBUK]Mattz0r | :/ |
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| 12:34.51 | rhsanborn | signuts, thanks |
| 12:35.03 | tralala | rhsanborn: first you need to know what's your chipset module. Then you need to generate an initrd image that uses it. There are different ways of doing so. |
| 12:35.34 | tralala | signuts: self-compiled kernel is a bad solution for this problem |
| 12:36.33 | jharrisonwk | you dont HAVE to use initrd |
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| 12:36.53 | rhsanborn | tralala, bugger, thats not much fun, I remember simply editing the file that contains the mount strings to inclue dma. |
| 12:37.05 | signuts | tralala, lspci | grep -i ide for ide, lspci | grep -i scsi to find your chipset. Find out what module it is, load it. You don't have to self compile. You simply need to find the module from your vendor if you don't _WANT_ to build one yourself |
| 12:37.16 | cr3 | how can I prevent the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf from being updated? |
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| 12:37.58 | azeem | cr3: don't run applications updating it |
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| 12:38.33 | cr3 | azeem: dhclient is quite practical. I think I found the solution though, I can configure dhclient.conf accordingly. |
| 12:39.00 | tralala | rhsanborn: indeed it isn't. It's the easiest way though. Editing the fstab won't get you anywhere near. |
| 12:39.00 | signuts | tralala, to see if you have DMA on/off run # hdparm -d /dev/hda |
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| 12:39.17 | tralala | signuts: address rhsanborn |
| 12:39.37 | signuts | tralala, oops, sorry. I am on my first cup of coffee |
| 12:41.06 | rhsanborn | signuts, I am indeed using dma on HDA, does that mean I'm using dma for my CDROM as well? |
| 12:41.07 | kjoonlee | Um, is it just me or has OFTC been hacked? |
| 12:41.17 | kjoonlee | I can't seem to join #debian there. |
| 12:41.40 | Jemt | Greetz. How can I set the default locale on Debian? 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' dosn't work. No matter what locale I choose as default, OpenOffice always falls back on en_US and en_DK (which dosn't work). I haft to start OpenOffice like this, to get proper character support: LC_CTYPE=da_DK oowriter |
| 12:42.11 | Ronin | works fine kjoonlee im there now |
| 12:42.28 | Ronin | kjoonlee: what happens when you try |
| 12:42.40 | kjoonlee | irc-8.test.com sets mode +s #debian |
| 12:43.01 | kjoonlee | and +m, +n, +t, +V, +C, +u |
| 12:43.04 | Ronin | kjoonlee: try a different server |
| 12:43.24 | kjoonlee | Could you tell me its address, please? |
| 12:43.29 | azeem | kjoonlee: irc.debian.org |
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| 12:43.43 | Ronin | never mind |
| 12:43.55 | Ronin | heh |
| 12:44.12 | kjoonlee | azeem: Ah, thanks :) |
| 12:44.16 | kjoonlee | I'd been trying irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:44.26 | azeem | that should work equally well |
| 12:44.39 | Ronin | that should be fine kjoonlee |
| 12:44.51 | kjoonlee | maybe my hosts file has been haxored |
| 12:45.10 | Ronin | more likely you made a typo in it :) |
| 12:45.18 | azeem | irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:45.31 | rhsanborn | Alright, it says dma is on for hdc as well... :( still running like poo though |
| 12:45.39 | azeem | (that's from `host irc.debian.org') |
| 12:45.46 | kjoonlee | heh. |
| 12:46.16 | tralala | rhsanborn: how about udma mode? I think hdparm -I shows it |
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| 12:46.35 | signuts | rhsanborn, dma should be enabled on your cdrom drive. /dev/hda is only an example /dev/hdc is prolly your cdrom |
| 12:46.39 | warpedby0 | hello for some reason i can't apt-get install gnome-core? |
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| 12:46.48 | Ronin | warpedby0: why not? |
| 12:46.51 | signuts | warpedby0, turkeys? |
| 12:47.30 | Dan01 | fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image do i need to use that because i've compiling it from source? |
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| 12:48.55 | Jemt | Grr. Can someone help me get proper character support in OpenOffice? I'm missing certain characters (like é, ü and so one). And 'å' becomes 'a' when I print it. |
| 12:49.25 | warpedby0 | i don't know it used to work (i get a message saying some packages could not be installed etc etc... it says it depends on yelp => 2.14.2 |
| 12:49.30 | rhsanborn | signuts, indeed it is...its using dma as well |
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| 12:49.44 | Ronin | warpedby0: use pastebin.ca and give us the exact error |
| 12:49.57 | warpedby0 | i can't paste it since i don't have a GUI on it |
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| 12:50.08 | tralala | !paste without x |
| 12:50.09 | dpkg | without x: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 12:50.17 | tralala | bah |
| 12:50.21 | rhsanborn | I'm assuming that since the * is next to udma2, that my cdrom is using udma2 |
| 12:50.22 | tralala | !pastewithoutx |
| 12:50.22 | dpkg | [pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 12:50.37 | Dan01 | i don't understand this right it says to compile from source and then it asks you to use the kernel image :| |
| 12:50.51 | Dan01 | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ its that guide |
| 12:51.15 | warpedby0 | okay thanks.. but it comes down to this: gnome-core: Depends: yelp (>= 2.14.2) but is not going to be installed |
| 12:51.15 | tralala | rhsanborn: yes, hmm. Is it slow from the beginning or the problem has appeared recently? |
| 12:51.31 | rhsanborn | I just installed Debian yesterday |
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| 12:51.40 | cydork | !make-kpkg |
| 12:51.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 12:51.46 | tralala | warpedby0: if you hope to get any help you'll need to cooperate |
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| 12:51.55 | cydork | Dan01, check what dpkg said ^^ |
| 12:52.00 | Dan01 | i see |
| 12:52.02 | Dan01 | that |
| 12:52.11 | tralala | rhsanborn: what did you run so far? |
| 12:52.28 | rhsanborn | The first audio CD I tried to play was this morning, and its skipping right from the begining |
| 12:53.06 | tralala | rhsanborn: and with your old OS the same CD was playing fine? |
| 12:53.31 | rhsanborn | tralala, indeed, it's worked fine in Windows, and in Mandrake |
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| 12:53.56 | tralala | rhsanborn: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 12:54.00 | tralala | show me your lsmod |
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| 12:54.57 | Dan01 | ok i'm getting to make a kernel for me now |
| 12:54.57 | tralala | rhsanborn: do you have the same skips with other audio cds? How does it handle data cds? |
| 12:55.22 | Dan01 | its just a little confusing if you don't read things :> |
| 12:55.34 | rhsanborn | tralala, just installed yesterday, I generally don't use data CD's, I can try and find another audio CD though... |
| 12:56.17 | rhsanborn | Module Size Used by |
| 12:56.17 | rhsanborn | ipv6 217760 8 |
| 12:56.17 | rhsanborn | savage 30176 1 |
| 12:56.17 | rhsanborn | drm 61972 2 savage |
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| 12:56.37 | tralala | oh, boy |
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| 12:56.41 | rhsanborn | mousedev 10368 1 |
| 12:56.43 | rhsanborn | tsdev 7200 0 |
| 12:56.45 | rhsanborn | pcmcia 34844 0 |
| 12:56.45 | tralala | rhsanborn: don't paste |
| 12:56.47 | rhsanborn | shpchp 39200 0 |
| 12:56.48 | Dan01 | lol |
| 12:56.49 | rhsanborn | firmware_class 9472 1 pcmcia |
| 12:56.50 | blondie | rhsanborn: STOP |
| 12:56.51 | rhsanborn | snd_intel8x0 29436 1 |
| 12:56.53 | warpedby0 | tralala: it's just a default message from apt-get, only the depends information is relevant, since there is something wrong with the package, and it's not my fault.. i will check the mailinglists then, im on ppc64 btw |
| 12:56.53 | rhsanborn | snd_ac97_codec 82784 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 12:56.55 | blondie | idiot |
| 12:56.55 | rhsanborn | snd_ac97_bus 2048 1 snd_ac97_codec |
| 12:56.57 | rhsanborn | pci_hotplug 24180 1 shpchp |
| 12:56.59 | rhsanborn | snd_pcm_oss 43520 0 |
| 12:57.01 | Dan01 | omg.org |
| 12:57.01 | rhsanborn | snd_mixer_oss 15584 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:57.03 | rhsanborn | snd_pcm 74408 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:57.05 | rhsanborn | snd_timer 20292 1 snd_pcm |
| 12:57.09 | rhsanborn | snd 46080 8 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
| 12:57.11 | rhsanborn | irtty_sir 7488 0 |
| 12:57.13 | rhsanborn | sir_dev 16908 1 irtty_sir |
| 12:57.15 | rhsanborn | psmouse 34248 0 |
| 12:57.15 | blondie | sigh |
| 12:57.17 | rhsanborn | soundcore 8672 1 snd |
| 12:57.19 | rhsanborn | yenta_socket 23660 2 |
| 12:57.21 | rhsanborn | rsrc_nonstatic 11840 1 yenta_socket |
| 12:57.23 | rhsanborn | pcmcia_core 37264 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic |
| 12:57.25 | rhsanborn | rtc 11252 0 |
| 12:57.27 | rhsanborn | irda 160956 2 irtty_sir,sir_dev |
| 12:57.29 | rhsanborn | parport_pc 31472 1 |
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| 12:57.31 | rhsanborn | parport 31720 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc |
| 12:57.32 | pitillo | rhsanborn, read the reason that you have been kicked man |
| 12:57.33 | Ronin | ack |
| 12:57.33 | tralala | rhsanborn: DON'T PASTE HERE |
| 12:57.33 | rhsanborn | serio_raw 6436 0 |
| 12:57.35 | rhsanborn | snd_page_alloc 9800 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm |
| 12:57.38 | PDani | hi |
| 12:57.39 | rhsanborn | evdev 8736 2 |
| 12:57.41 | rhsanborn | i2c_i801 7884 0 |
| 12:57.43 | rhsanborn | intel_agp 20860 1 |
| 12:57.43 | Dan01 | just close the client ffs |
| 12:57.45 | rhsanborn | agpgart 29232 2 drm,intel_agp |
| 12:57.47 | rhsanborn | i2c_core 19312 1 i2c_i801 |
| 12:57.49 | rhsanborn | pcspkr 2948 0 |
| 12:57.51 | rhsanborn | floppy 55628 0 |
| 12:57.53 | rhsanborn | crc_ccitt 1952 1 irda |
| 12:57.54 | cydork | kick him |
| 12:57.55 | rhsanborn | ext3 115880 1 |
| 12:57.56 | pitillo | crazy people.... |
| 12:57.57 | rhsanborn | jbd 46932 1 ext3 |
| 12:57.59 | rhsanborn | mbcache 7652 1 ext3 |
| 12:58.01 | rhsanborn | ide_cd 35328 0 |
| 12:58.04 | rhsanborn | cdrom 31888 1 ide_cd |
| 12:58.05 | rhsanborn | ide_disk 14528 3 |
| 12:58.09 | rhsanborn | uhci_hcd 26640 0 |
| 12:58.11 | rhsanborn | e100 31044 0 |
| 12:58.13 | rhsanborn | mii 5056 1 e100 |
| 12:58.15 | rhsanborn | usbcore 110560 2 uhci_hcd |
| 12:58.17 | rhsanborn | piix 8932 0 [permanent] |
| 12:58.19 | rhsanborn | generic 4164 0 [permanent] |
| 12:58.21 | Dan01 | how long |
| 12:58.21 | rhsanborn | ide_core 111440 4 ide_cd,ide_disk,piix,generic |
| 12:58.23 | rhsanborn | thermal 12968 0 |
| 12:58.25 | rhsanborn | processor 21696 1 thermal |
| 12:58.27 | Dan01 | is this going to go on fpr |
| 12:58.27 | rhsanborn | fan 4452 0 |
| 12:58.29 | rhsanborn | sorry about that |
| 12:58.30 | cydork | wtf?? |
| 12:58.31 | blondie | the rate isn't fast enough |
| 12:58.31 | rhsanborn | I really didn't mean to do that |
| 12:58.33 | rhsanborn | pitillo, I know, won't happen again, utmost apologies |
| 12:58.36 | blondie | rhsanborn: you total retard |
| 12:58.37 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.42 | Ronin | holy crap |
| 12:58.46 | warpedby0 | why do you have so many modules loaded anyway? |
| 12:58.49 | blondie | (no offence) |
| 12:58.53 | Dan01 | its ended praise the lord |
| 12:58.53 | Jemt | Relax, guys. It was an accident! |
| 12:59.01 | tralala | rhsanborn: I told you to ask about pastebin!~ |
| 12:59.02 | PDani | is it possible to establish tcp/ip connection between two PC-s connected with a usb cable? |
| 12:59.09 | pitillo | rhsanborn, well if you see you are pasting here, close the channel man |
| 12:59.09 | Jemt | Unfortunately you can't just stop a paste.. |
| 12:59.17 | Ronin | Jemt: an accident but annoying when theyve been told about pastebin etc |
| 12:59.20 | blondie | Jemt: you can... it's called /part |
| 12:59.23 | blondie | or /wc |
| 12:59.27 | blondie | or close the window |
| 12:59.29 | Gnea | Jemt: unfortunately, some people have to learn the hard way. |
| 12:59.44 | pitillo | closing the window the best and easy way... |
| 12:59.46 | Dan01 | hmm |
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| 12:59.58 | Dan01 | i would of have just closed the window |
| 13:00.08 | Gnea | pitillo: that won't stop it if the buffer's already filled |
| 13:00.11 | SlayerXP | rhsanborn: please consider yourself banned from using Debian GNU/Linux. Type "/part #debian" then "/join #gentoo" |
| 13:00.19 | blondie | rofl |
| 13:00.24 | rhsanborn | I misunderstood, and I don't regularly use irc |
| 13:00.30 | Dan01 | lol |
| 13:00.31 | Gnea | ~troll rhsanborn |
| 13:00.40 | apt | ACTION hereby declares rhsanborn a troll |
| 13:00.40 | rhsanborn | So I didn't know about the buffer |
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| 13:00.43 | blondie | abrotman: halp |
| 13:00.51 | Gnea | ignorance is not an excuse. |
| 13:00.58 | abrotman | blondie: hilp ? |
| 13:01.04 | Gnea | abrotman: oh, you missed it |
| 13:01.04 | blondie | HALPW!!D""£! |
| 13:01.05 | tralala | rhsanborn: /msg dpkg pastebin (read it this time!) |
| 13:01.12 | Dan01 | this spamming has genrated so much conversation |
| 13:01.21 | abrotman | Gnea: i did ? |
| 13:01.41 | Gnea | abrotman: rhsanborn somehow managed to paste the entire contents of cat /proc/modules into the channel |
| 13:01.49 | abrotman | Gnea: throttling ? |
| 13:01.59 | tralala | yep |
| 13:02.03 | Gnea | yeah |
| 13:02.04 | rhsanborn | tralala, I did, it's clear now, thank you |
| 13:02.08 | abrotman | or maybe debhelper is napping ? |
| 13:02.09 | jharrisonwk | rhsanborn: are you able to walk in the sunshine? |
| 13:02.14 | Jemt | Can someone help me get proper character support in OpenOffice? It works fine in gEdit, but specielt combination characters like é and ü dosn't show up. But if I start OpenOffice using 'LC_CTYPE=da_DK oowriter' it works - but when I print my document, the é becomes an ordinary 'e' and so on. |
| 13:02.23 | Gnea | rhsanborn: oh, don't think that it won't go unnoticed. |
| 13:02.26 | Dan01 | cydork by running that kpkg i should be getting an output like this? |
| 13:02.26 | Dan01 | CC fs/ioctl.o |
| 13:02.26 | Dan01 | CC fs/readdir.o |
| 13:02.31 | Dan01 | little spam :> |
| 13:02.41 | Gnea | anything under 4 lines isn't spam ;) |
| 13:02.46 | Dan01 | hehe ok |
| 13:02.51 | azeem | Gnea: everybody makes mistakes |
| 13:02.52 | Jemt | Usually 2 line-pastes are fine |
| 13:02.56 | jharrisonwk | Gnea: 4 and 1/2? |
| 13:03.01 | Jemt | Oh, 4 lines ^^; |
| 13:03.01 | Gnea | azeem: getting soft, eh? |
| 13:03.04 | cydork | Dan01, it's compiling it |
| 13:03.06 | Dan01 | didn't want to over do it |
| 13:03.07 | tralala | rhsanborn: ok, you're kindly requested to repeat the lsmod for I don't thiink anyone really read it in the channel |
| 13:03.07 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 13:03.12 | Dan01 | just wanted to check thanks dude |
| 13:03.26 | rhsanborn | http://pastebin.ca/147545 |
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| 13:03.30 | jharrisonwk | rhsanborn: do you fear daylight? |
| 13:03.36 | Jemt | Is 'export' permanent ? |
| 13:03.38 | Dan01 | lol |
| 13:03.51 | Gnea | Jemt: only if it's enforced |
| 13:03.58 | Jemt | Enforced? |
| 13:04.05 | Gnea | throw it in ~/.bashrc |
| 13:04.15 | Jemt | Gnea: Ah, ok |
| 13:04.20 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 13:04.24 | Gnea | np |
| 13:04.30 | Gnea | er, no problem |
| 13:04.56 | Jemt | :) |
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| 13:05.11 | tralala | rhsanborn: does this disc still play in win or mandrake? |
| 13:05.54 | rhsanborn | tralala, haven't tried it in a day or two, but its a fairly new cd, and it has no visible defects |
| 13:06.21 | jharrisonwk | rhsanborn: is it night time where you are? |
| 13:06.21 | rhsanborn | jharrisonwk, it's 9am |
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| 13:06.34 | abrotman | cd of what? |
| 13:06.36 | jharrisonwk | rhsanborn: so do you use sunblock? |
| 13:06.42 | Jemt | Where is my personal locale stored ? Which dotfile ? |
| 13:06.47 | rhsanborn | jharrisonwk, not uaully |
| 13:06.55 | jharrisonwk | rhsanborn: do you fear sunlight? |
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| 13:07.10 | rhsanborn | abrotman, music CD, its skipping...seems to be relying heavily on the CPU |
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| 13:07.16 | rhsanborn | jharrisonwk, certainly not |
| 13:07.17 | nimurphy | hi, i'm using a laptop, 2.6 etch, and the mouse is going insane. i commented out the touchpad but there's no entry in xorg.conf for the blob yokey in the middle of the keyboard |
| 13:07.17 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 13:07.18 | dazjorz | Hey |
| 13:07.23 | jharrisonwk | see fellows |
| 13:07.27 | jharrisonwk | he is no troll |
| 13:07.30 | abrotman | blob yokey? |
| 13:07.36 | jharrisonwk | he would turn to stone in the daylight if he was |
| 13:07.39 | jharrisonwk | everyone knows that |
| 13:07.51 | rhsanborn | Listen |
| 13:07.56 | nimurphy | yeah i dunno what to call it. |
| 13:08.23 | tralala | rhsanborn: you need to try it again in a different OS to eliminate the possibility of hardware failure |
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| 13:08.27 | dazjorz | nimurphy: I had that error once too, I fixed it by reconfiguring the X server and setting the mouse to /dev/psaux and type to PS/2 (it autodetected ImPS/2 wrongly) |
| 13:08.27 | nimurphy | it lives in between the g, h and b keys, is purple, and blob shaped. |
| 13:08.28 | abrotman | nimurphy: the mouse in the middle of the keyboard ? |
| 13:08.41 | rhsanborn | tralala, putting it in another machine atm |
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| 13:09.15 | nimurphy | abrotman: i wouldn't call it a mouse. i'd call it a sensitive purple blob. |
| 13:09.23 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 13:09.35 | tralala | rhsanborn: this will eliminate/prove the disc damage possibility. You need to check the device too. |
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| 13:09.43 | abrotman | nimurphy: for future reference .. most refer to it as a nipple or nubby |
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| 13:10.02 | rhsanborn | tralala, alright, I'll have to swap in my other CDROM when I get home this evening |
| 13:10.04 | Dan01 | gah |
| 13:10.05 | nimurphy | dazjorz: was the pointer spending all it's time in the top right and bottom left of the screen |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | nimurphy: and it is a mouse .. it's a trackpoint .. commonly found on thinkpads or some toshibas |
| 13:10.17 | Dan01 | it takes soo long to compile on a 400mhz |
| 13:10.30 | syntaxx | can i just convert sarge to etch without installing etch on a clean install? |
| 13:10.36 | abrotman | !tell syntaxx about sarge->etch |
| 13:10.40 | nimurphy | abrotman: i like blob, but i shall comply with etiquette. |
| 13:10.53 | abrotman | nimurphy: anyways .. which kernel ? |
| 13:11.06 | tralala | rhsanborn: okay, you do that. It will be really weird if this is a software problem. |
| 13:11.13 | nimurphy | abrotman: 2.6. and it's a thinkpad. |
| 13:11.27 | syntaxx | abrotman, ok thanks but what if after i install etch and change my mind can i possibly go back to sarge without installin it again? |
| 13:11.33 | abrotman | syntaxx: no |
| 13:11.46 | rhsanborn | tralala, it was the first try, its the easiest to fix, and I have had problems with this in Mandy before. So I figured I'd check |
| 13:11.49 | abrotman | nimurphy: i have mine set to /dev/input/mice .. and am using the mousedev module |
| 13:11.54 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no? |
| 13:11.58 | cydork | nimurphy, and it's called trackpoint actually :P |
| 13:12.21 | Jemt | Where is my personal locale setting stored ? It must be specified in a file in my home directory |
| 13:12.22 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you can't downgrade |
| 13:12.34 | abrotman | well .. you can try :) |
| 13:12.37 | syntaxx | abrotman, hmm ok thanks.. ill try etch and xorg should i remove xfree86 first? and if how to remove xfree86 completely |
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| 13:13.06 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I thought he was asking if he could go from sarge to etch rather then installing etch from the beta installer cd |
| 13:13.13 | abrotman | syntaxx: there are backports of xorg for sarge |
| 13:13.13 | tralala | rhsanborn: I didn't quite get what you're saying. Do you say you've had the same skipping/CPU issues with mandrake as well? |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: he wants to know how to upgrade .. and if he doesn't like it .. whether or not he can downgrade |
| 13:13.44 | tralala | syntaxx: xorg is backported for sarge. No need to go to etch |
| 13:13.56 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 13:14.02 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: oh I must have missed that |
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| 13:14.13 | rhsanborn | tralala, indeed, it didn't enable udma by default |
| 13:14.17 | syntaxx | tralala, how bout the nvidia drivers? |
| 13:14.21 | dazjorz | timurphy: it was almost incontrollable |
| 13:14.34 | dazjorz | erm |
| 13:14.35 | dazjorz | still |
| 13:14.36 | nimurphy | cydork: abrotman: the thing i find confusing is that there's only two mouse entries in xorg.conf, but three devices - touchpad, nubby (trackpoint) and mouse. the touchpad is set to 'send core events', the mouse, which is usb ps2, is the core pointer |
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| 13:14.52 | tralala | syntaxx: I guess you won't have a problem |
| 13:14.59 | nimurphy | no mention of trackpoint anywhere in xorg, |
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| 13:15.06 | syntaxx | tralala, do i need to upgrade nvidia drivers also? last time i backported xorg it messed up my X and crash my system |
| 13:15.16 | zepphire | 3 |
| 13:15.18 | tralala | rhsanborn: this is a different case though - dma is ok now. |
| 13:15.21 | dazjorz | I'm getting "uba: unknown partition table" when plugging in my external (Dell) USB DVD drive, after "Stall at GetMaxLUN, using 1 LUN" |
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| 13:15.50 | tralala | syntaxx: certainly - you can't expect the xfree dirvers to work with xorg |
| 13:15.59 | rhsanborn | tralala, indeed, thanks for the help man |
| 13:16.08 | tralala | rhsanborn: you're welcome |
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| 13:16.31 | nimurphy | how do i restart x without rebooting? |
| 13:17.22 | nimurphy | dazjorz: and it was the touchpad or your actual mouse you changed to ps/2 |
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| 13:17.36 | tralala | nimurphy: it depends how you're starting it |
| 13:17.38 | syntaxx | tralala, oic maybe ill try it again how can i remove xfree86 completely before installing backport xorg |
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| 13:17.47 | dazjorz | nimurphy: I had no actual mouse |
| 13:18.03 | tralala | syntaxx: I guess you have to remove x-window-system-core |
| 13:18.15 | abrotman | nimurphy: my thinkpad has only the nubby |
| 13:18.17 | syntaxx | tralala, ayt thanks |
| 13:18.18 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 13:18.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 13:18.28 | tralala | syntaxx: you're welcome |
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| 13:18.55 | nimurphy | tralala: started on boot |
| 13:19.07 | tralala | nimurphy: kdm, xdm or gdm? |
| 13:19.22 | nimurphy | abrotman: luckily this is on loan, i'll get a decent one when i give this back |
| 13:19.30 | nimurphy | tralala: xdm |
| 13:19.44 | tralala | nimurphy: then invoke-rc.d xdm restart |
| 13:20.25 | tralala | that had to be xchat... |
| 13:20.39 | cydork | tralala, hheh i agree |
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| 13:21.26 | rhsanborn | tralala, and the paste thing...like I said, I don't use irc often...I thought I could send the whole message to dpkg and it would dump it into a pastebin channel. My mistake for assuming, and I didn't understand the whole each line is a message thing...sorry again, and thanks for the help |
| 13:21.52 | cyzie | tralala nimurphy: kdm, xdm or gdm? does it reallly matter? u can choose any dm u like. will work just fine |
| 13:22.00 | tralala | rhsanborn: forget about it already - everybody else has |
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| 13:22.26 | tralala | cyzie: it matters when you want to restart it |
| 13:22.37 | nimurphy | still same problem. how do i disable the nubby? |
| 13:22.54 | cydork | nimurphy, do echo -n 1 > /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/serio2/transparent |
| 13:22.56 | cyzie | tralala, /etc/init.d/gdm | kdm | xdm restart ? |
| 13:23.19 | kwahgib | How can i configure that inbound connections are responded to on the same interface they arrive on, in a multihomed system? |
| 13:23.28 | multi_io | why does "apt-get install firefox =1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.6-3" just say "couldn't find package", even though that version is available in unstable (and I have unstable in my sources)? |
| 13:23.41 | tralala | nimurphy: if you use screen + irssi you won't get disconnected when you restart X |
| 13:23.52 | tralala | cyzie: indeed |
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| 13:24.15 | cydork | multi_io, but system not unstable :) |
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| 13:24.27 | cyzie | tralala, ok. does nto matter which dm. it work jsut fine ;) |
| 13:24.31 | cyzie | debian rawks! |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | nimurphy: thinkpads are good |
| 13:25.19 | kjaer | I have a conflict with hula and libcurl. error is: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3 |
| 13:25.30 | kjaer | How do I fix that ? |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | !tell kjaer about overwrite |
| 13:25.53 | nimurphy | abrotman: ah i've no doubt. this is a C510, a good 4 years old and it's been through the wars |
| 13:26.01 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:26.09 | nimurphy | cydork: permission denied, even as root |
| 13:26.13 | kjaer | abrotman, Thanks a lot |
| 13:26.31 | cyzie | mv curl-ca-bundle.crt curl-ca-bundle.crt.1 ?? |
| 13:26.37 | murosai | can somebody help me setting wireless network? im not sure if debian even detects my pcmcia card |
| 13:26.41 | syntaxx | tralala: ok now i installed xorg how can i install my nvidia drivers now? |
| 13:26.45 | multi_io | why is it that "apt-get install package =version" doesn not work at all, for any package? |
| 13:26.57 | cyzie | murosai, on amd porc ? |
| 13:27.29 | cyzie | syntaxx, 2 days to install. the debian way or the nvidia way. |
| 13:27.42 | cydork | syntaxx, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 13:27.50 | murosai | cyzie? |
| 13:28.01 | murosai | porc? |
| 13:28.02 | cyzie | cydork, if he is the first time install nvidia driver, on-liner wont work! |
| 13:28.02 | syntaxx | cydork: yeah i know but nvidia one-liner applies on sarge right? |
| 13:28.07 | cyzie | murosai, proc |
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| 13:28.33 | DogWater | does anyone know if someone has created a 3.1 ISO with a newer kernel? |
| 13:28.35 | murosai | uh im not sure what you mean but this is pentium3 laptop |
| 13:28.36 | syntaxx | cydork: xfree86 rather but i backported xorg |
| 13:28.46 | tralala | syntaxx: it should work just fine with xorg too |
| 13:28.49 | cydork | syntaxx, yep it does.. |
| 13:29.14 | murosai | is there something like lspci for debian? |
| 13:29.23 | cyzie | murosai, yes |
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| 13:29.29 | murosai | what's the package called then? |
| 13:29.34 | jetscreamer | liable: iirc it's true |
| 13:29.41 | warpedby0 | pciutils |
| 13:30.13 | cydork | nimurphy, there should be a option for that in bios too afaik :) |
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| 13:30.45 | syntaxx | tralala: ok so i dont need apt-get -t sarge-backports install <package> just a plain apt-get install <package>? |
| 13:30.50 | cyzie | murosai, apt-get install pciutils |
| 13:30.58 | murosai | hm |
| 13:31.18 | murosai | 00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) <-- does this mean the card or just the "slot" |
| 13:31.30 | nimurphy | right, i'll give that a go so |
| 13:31.32 | murosai | oh wait |
| 13:31.37 | murosai | 02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 13:31.38 | Gnea | murosai: that's the identification of it on the PCI bus |
| 13:31.39 | murosai | it's detected |
| 13:31.44 | abrotman | murosai: slot |
| 13:31.45 | cyzie | murosai, lspci -vvv for more information |
| 13:31.57 | murosai | but when i do iwconfig it doesn't find any devices |
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| 13:32.16 | abrotman | did you .. load the driver? |
| 13:32.20 | Gnea | lspci just shows you what the kernel detected |
| 13:32.28 | cyzie | lsmod | grep -i ipw ? |
| 13:32.28 | cyzie | :D |
| 13:32.54 | cydork | murosai, are you using madwifi?? |
| 13:32.58 | murosai | abrotman: no, doesn't kernel load it? |
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| 13:33.03 | murosai | madwifi? |
| 13:33.08 | abrotman | that's an rt2500 .. not ipw2x00 or madwifi |
| 13:33.34 | cyzie | abrotman, so what is rt2500 driver then ? |
| 13:33.39 | murosai | lsmod | grep -i ipw doesn't return anything |
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| 13:33.53 | cydork | abrotman, ohh ok.. |
| 13:33.54 | cyzie | murosai, ipw for centrino wireless |
| 13:34.18 | murosai | huh? |
| 13:34.29 | A | what? |
| 13:34.38 | Gnea | !ipw2200 |
| 13:34.40 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware to /lib/firmware. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:35.05 | Gnea | murosai: you do not have an ipw[2200]. |
| 13:35.09 | _rynz- | hello fellow internet addicts, looking forward to another long & glroious day on irc? |
| 13:35.14 | murosai | right |
| 13:35.19 | RvGaTe | To wich distribution belongs Yum? (trying to find out what distro a certain box is) |
| 13:35.29 | RvGaTe | ^^ oops... |
| 13:35.29 | _rynz- | rvgate |
| 13:35.33 | _rynz- | install Lindows on your PC |
| 13:35.34 | _rynz- | :) |
| 13:35.42 | abrotman | stop already |
| 13:35.42 | Gnea | hrm |
| 13:35.45 | syntaxx | brb |
| 13:35.50 | murosai | It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:35.55 | murosai | so how about if i just update my kernel? |
| 13:36.07 | Gnea | you could try that |
| 13:36.10 | _rynz- | toeGuhL |
| 13:36.12 | murosai | oh wait |
| 13:36.16 | murosai | i got 2.6.16 kernel already |
| 13:36.16 | DaBlade | Are there any apps that can batch-resize really small PNG images? |
| 13:36.23 | DaBlade | 128x128 images to 64x64 |
| 13:36.28 | DaBlade | Not crop, but scale |
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| 13:36.37 | abrotman | imagemagick |
| 13:36.40 | Gnea | _rynz-: got some spare crack? |
| 13:36.49 | abrotman | Gnea: he wsa trolling yesterday too |
| 13:36.49 | DaBlade | abrotman: I don't know how to use that though |
| 13:36.55 | DaBlade | abrotman: Complicated command line options |
| 13:36.58 | abrotman | murosai: sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 13:37.01 | multi_io | "apt-get install package =version" does not work: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/apt-bug.txt |
| 13:37.05 | abrotman | DaBlade: man imagemagick ? |
| 13:37.05 | multi_io | why is this? |
| 13:37.11 | Gnea | abrotman: let's keel his arse |
| 13:37.12 | multi_io | am I doing something wrong? |
| 13:37.15 | cydork | murosai, which version of debian?? |
| 13:37.17 | DaBlade | abrotman: Still too many |
| 13:37.27 | DaBlade | abrotman: It ends up being quicker to manually resize them |
| 13:37.37 | abrotman | multi_io: no space ? |
| 13:37.38 | A | How can I make Debian recognize my standard display @ 1280x1024? |
| 13:37.50 | azeem | A: which version of Debian are you runningg |
| 13:37.51 | azeem | ? |
| 13:37.52 | DaBlade | A: Change your xorg.conf? |
| 13:37.57 | Gnea | A: very carefully |
| 13:38.02 | abrotman | DaBlade: so you're saying instead of reading the man page .. you're going to resize them manually ? |
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| 13:38.13 | A | 3.1r2 |
| 13:38.22 | DaBlade | abrotman: Yeah. There's not a lot of them, ten or so. |
| 13:38.47 | abrotman | DaBlade: well .. might as well learn eh ? :) |
| 13:38.52 | murosai | cydork: debian etch |
| 13:38.54 | Gnea | A: you need to make sure that your monitor specifications are correct |
| 13:39.11 | multi_io | abrotman: no HDD space? no. apt-get install without =version works, as you can see |
| 13:39.12 | A | How? |
| 13:39.17 | DaBlade | abrotman: I never seem to be able to learn by reading. |
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| 13:39.20 | abrotman | !info rt2500-source etch |
| 13:39.28 | DaBlade | abrotman: That's why I hate longass man pages |
| 13:39.31 | RvGaTe | how can i find out what distrobution a certain machine is running on? (i dont have root privileges) |
| 13:39.37 | abrotman | multi_io: no space beteween the package name and the = |
| 13:39.41 | nimurphy | cydork: didn't work. could only disable touchpad. |
| 13:39.47 | Gnea | A: locate detailed X configuration parameters for your monitor by searching for it on google |
| 13:40.10 | Gnea | A: namely, the vertical refresh and horizontal settings |
| 13:40.14 | nimurphy | i did however find the trackpointed loaded as /class/input/input4 |
| 13:40.17 | multi_io | abrotman: oh. not, I tried that too. |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | RvGaTe: cat /proc/version is a start |
| 13:40.28 | abrotman | multi_io: eh .. ok |
| 13:40.32 | multi_io | can somebody reproduce my problem? |
| 13:40.45 | abrotman | murosai: m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 13:40.48 | RvGaTe | abrotman, redhat, thank you |
| 13:40.48 | azeem | A: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:41.01 | A | 2 other distros recognize my standard monitor, why can't Debian? |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it could still be a derivative |
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| 13:41.27 | RvGaTe | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 13:41.35 | A | Debian gives 800x600 |
| 13:41.40 | Gnea | A: debian isn't geared toward desktops by default. although, that's changing. |
| 13:41.46 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it could be a RH derivative |
| 13:41.49 | syntaxx | tralala: ok now im lost startx command not found |
| 13:42.06 | RvGaTe | abrotman, i dont know what you mean by derivative... |
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| 13:42.17 | murosai | http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto i found this, hope it helps me |
| 13:42.26 | notdaniel | Struggling to install debian on a sata drive |
| 13:42.40 | ktwilight | using 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:42.43 | Gnea | notdaniel: use a 2.6 kernel. |
| 13:42.46 | notdaniel | I have debian surge, it has 2 kernel images on the boot disk, one is 2.4 , the other is 2.6 ... neither workl |
| 13:42.57 | ktwilight | odd |
| 13:42.59 | abrotman | murosai: m-a a-i rt2500 |
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| 13:43.09 | Gnea | notdaniel: 2.6 should work just fine, otherwise your sata chip is probably too new |
| 13:43.14 | DaBlade | abrotman: convert -scale 64 *png |
| 13:43.17 | DaBlade | Like that? |
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| 13:43.25 | murosai | abrotman: m-a a-i? |
| 13:43.28 | notdaniel | damn |
| 13:43.33 | notdaniel | thing is |
| 13:43.45 | notdaniel | slackware 10.2 picks it up fine, with 2.4 kernel |
| 13:43.50 | murosai | i guess the latter is apt-get install |
| 13:44.01 | Gnea | i don't a hoot about slackware |
| 13:44.03 | notdaniel | It has an option at boottime, where I actually typed sata.i and it loaded a special image |
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| 13:44.13 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 13:44.13 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:44.23 | DaBlade | abrotman? |
| 13:44.28 | Gnea | !sata |
| 13:44.28 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 13:44.32 | abrotman | DaBlade: convert might work too |
| 13:44.45 | DaBlade | abrotman: man pointed to convert |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 13:44.52 | DaBlade | abrotman: Problem is, it's got two hundred options |
| 13:44.57 | DaBlade | This is the closest I could find. |
| 13:44.58 | abrotman | read the man page .. |
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| 13:45.02 | DaBlade | I did |
| 13:45.07 | abrotman | last time i resized images .. i was doing it on the fly with PHP |
| 13:45.09 | Gnea | notdaniel: what sata controller is it? |
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| 13:45.26 | DaBlade | Could you help me out with the command? |
| 13:45.26 | multi_io | abrotman: got it. there must be *no space* between the package name and the =. |
| 13:45.36 | notdaniel | I dont actually know .. lemme phone the guy who's box it is |
| 13:45.38 | abrotman | multi_io: i said that! |
| 13:45.38 | notdaniel | holf |
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| 13:45.41 | RvGaTe | abrotman, it gives me: Linux version 2.6.9-22.0.1.ELsmp (buildcentos@x8664-build) (gcc version 3.4.4 20050721 (Red Hat 3.4.4-2)) #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 14:49:37 CDT 2005 |
| 13:45.41 | abrotman | DaBlade: i've never used convert |
| 13:45.42 | notdaniel | hold :P |
| 13:45.46 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 13:45.51 | abrotman | RvGaTe: that's centos |
| 13:46.01 | Gnea | yeah, i'll bbiaf :P |
| 13:46.02 | DaBlade | abrotman: Well, neither have I. |
| 13:46.06 | multi_io | abrotman: nah... :-P |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | so uh .. read |
| 13:46.11 | DaBlade | abrotman: But according to man imagemagick, it says I need to use it. |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | multi_io: yes i did! |
| 13:46.16 | DaBlade | abrotman: I DID! |
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| 13:46.18 | DooMRunneR | hi |
| 13:46.23 | abrotman | DaBlade: do i have to read it too ? |
| 13:46.23 | DaBlade | abrotman: That command is the best I could come up with |
| 13:46.31 | RvGaTe | abrotman, why does it say redhat then? |
| 13:46.35 | abrotman | DaBlade: so copy one to /tmp/ .. and try it |
| 13:46.44 | DaBlade | ok. |
| 13:46.45 | abrotman | RvGaTe: because .. it does .. ask #centos for more info |
| 13:46.51 | RvGaTe | lol, ok |
| 13:47.15 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[~/Pictures/icons/backup]# convert -scale 64 *png |
| 13:47.16 | DaBlade | convert: missing an image filename `ott.png'. |
| 13:47.43 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 13:47.52 | abrotman | type out the file name maybe? |
| 13:48.11 | notdaniel | Gnea, uli m1575 .. sound right? |
| 13:48.12 | notdaniel | :P |
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| 13:48.29 | DooMRunneR | have a problem installing debian sid on a ibm hs-20 bladecenter, i get the error "can´t read CTR while initializing i8042" after grub |
| 13:48.39 | DaBlade | abrotman: I kinda wanted to do it in a batch |
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| 13:48.42 | DaBlade | Not one by one |
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| 13:48.51 | DooMRunneR | an then the screen turns black |
| 13:49.07 | abrotman | DaBlade: i understand that .. try typing out the filename .. we'll do the batch part in a moment |
| 13:49.22 | DaBlade | ok |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | DooMRunneR: you installed sid ? |
| 13:49.42 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[~/Pictures/icons/backup]# convert -scale 64 *png |
| 13:49.43 | DaBlade | convert: missing an image filename `ott.png'. |
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| 13:49.48 | DaBlade | oops |
| 13:49.51 | nimurphy | ok, in dmesg: IBM Trackpoint firmware 0x0b 2/3 buttons. input: TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint as /class/input/input4 |
| 13:49.53 | nimurphy | could it have loaded that off ramfs or something? where the hell is /class |
| 13:49.56 | DaBlade | wrong paste |
| 13:50.03 | DooMRunneR | oh, sarge sorry |
| 13:50.05 | nimurphy | shit, and my wireless card keeps switching between access points |
| 13:50.06 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[~/Pictures/icons/backup]# convert -scale 64 ott.png |
| 13:50.06 | DaBlade | convert: missing an image filename `ott.png'. |
| 13:50.13 | nimurphy | .. |
| 13:50.45 | DooMRunneR | abrotman, sarge/stable, sorry my fault |
| 13:51.07 | DooMRunneR | abrotman, 3.1 rev2 |
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| 13:51.31 | abrotman | did you try both kernels ? |
| 13:51.34 | cydork | nimurphy, thinkpad configures it as a normal ps2 mouse, i remember that it had some option to autodisable in bios for both touchpad as well as trackpoint, may be you missed it? |
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| 13:51.46 | abrotman | DaBlade: probably needs an output filename |
| 13:52.03 | DaBlade | So much for the batch process then. |
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| 13:53.10 | nimurphy | cydork. i don't think so. this is an old thinkpad though. but surely you can just disable the module for that?? unless the same module is controlling both my usb ps2 mouse and the trackpint |
| 13:53.31 | murosai | abrotman: problems :< |
| 13:53.51 | GreesMunky | Hi, running tomcat5.5 (experimental) gives "No Java compiler available" even when specified in the /etc/default/tomcat file. Does anyone know of a fix for this? |
| 13:54.18 | cydork | nimurphy, yep that's what i am saying they use the same device :) |
| 13:54.20 | murosai | The required compiler gcc-4.0 is not installed, expect trouble! |
| 13:54.28 | murosai | do i have to downgrade my gcc then? |
| 13:54.56 | DooMRunneR | could it be a problem when i install it with the remote console, without a mouse or keyboard pluged in? |
| 13:54.59 | murosai | gcc-4.0 not found :F |
| 13:54.59 | abrotman | murosai: gcc --version |
| 13:55.15 | azeem | murosai: just apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 13:55.15 | murosai | ups |
| 13:55.23 | murosai | it's 3.4.5 |
| 13:55.31 | murosai | no lol |
| 13:55.35 | murosai | i looked at wrong machine |
| 13:55.41 | murosai | it's 4.1.2 |
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| 13:55.55 | murosai | azeem: roger |
| 13:56.12 | murosai | does it automatically start using 4.0 then? |
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| 13:56.46 | azeem | murosai: well, that thing which was complaining about it should work then |
| 13:56.55 | azeem | murosai: your default compiler will continue to be gcc-4.1 |
| 13:56.57 | Talnakh | hi all, i am trying to make elinks display russian characters in terminal but it is showing translit instead. is there something extra i need to install? |
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| 13:57.20 | murosai | ok |
| 13:57.21 | tarzeau | Talnakh: which terminal? which shell? which webpage? |
| 13:57.24 | azeem | Talnakh: are russian characters displayed otherwise? |
| 13:57.33 | dmsantam | is there a way to update alternatives that is better than just manually changing links in /etc/alternatives? |
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| 13:57.47 | Tuttle_ | Hi, on a Sarge server I use distro kernel 2.4. I'd like to restrict my users from seeing other user's processes. How to do it, still using some distro kernel preferably. |
| 13:57.47 | tarzeau | dmsantam: yes, update-alternatives command |
| 13:57.56 | dmsantam | tarzeau, ok, thanks |
| 13:58.27 | tarzeau | Talnakh: i wonder if links2 renders it properly |
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| 13:58.34 | Talnakh | tarzeau, azeem, i am using default debain console. i am not sure about default russian characters shown in console. |
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| 13:58.47 | tarzeau | Talnakh: so you're in console, not in X? |
| 13:58.53 | murosai | hmm, should it show up in lsmod ater module-assistant auto-install? |
| 13:58.58 | tarzeau | Talnakh: vga i guess and not framebuffer, which font? |
| 13:59.05 | Humanoid | How can I get the list of 'essential' packages installed on my system? |
| 13:59.19 | tarzeau | isn't there three different russian? tried #debian-russian ? |
| 13:59.21 | Talnakh | tarzeau, i have both console, xtem and xorg |
| 13:59.32 | tarzeau | Talnakh: can you paste the url? |
| 13:59.32 | Jemt | !locales |
| 13:59.32 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
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| 13:59.47 | tarzeau | Talnakh: does the font that you use, have russian characters ? |
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| 14:00.08 | Talnakh | i tried installing cyrillic pack of fonts ffrom testing |
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| 14:01.53 | nimurphy | GreesMunky: did you ask in #apache? |
| 14:01.59 | nimurphy | how do you create aliases for interfaces? |
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| 14:03.03 | GreesMunky | nimurphy: no, didn't ask in apache, but seeing as how the packages are experimental I have to go back to tomcat 5 cos 5.5 just does not work |
| 14:03.25 | abrotman | there is a #tomcat |
| 14:03.28 | murosai | abrotman: should the modules be automatically loaded after m-a auto-install? |
| 14:03.37 | nimurphy | cydork: so i can't fix this. at least i know now. |
| 14:03.41 | murosai | because i can't see them in lsmod |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | murosai: eh .. if not .. load them yourself |
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| 14:03.54 | abrotman | murosai: btw ... |
| 14:03.58 | abrotman | !info rt2500 etch |
| 14:04.03 | nimurphy | i suppose i could just disable the trackpoint and mouse. just use the touchpad |
| 14:04.06 | dpkg | rt2500: (configuration tool for wireless RT2500 network cards), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-2 (etch), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 14:04.15 | murosai | well |
| 14:04.25 | murosai | i can't see it in lsmod :F |
| 14:04.31 | murosai | how can i load it then |
| 14:04.39 | dmsantam | i want to change the default PATH for all users. how do i do that? which file? |
| 14:04.39 | cydork | nimurphy, that you can do by removing entry for mouse/trackpoint/nummy in xorg.conf |
| 14:04.55 | a-atwood | was messaging dpkg to figure out how to re-start my exim4 configuration, and the web page it refers to seems to be down. |
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| 14:05.00 | murosai | hm |
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| 14:05.29 | ktwilight | murosai, modprobe rt2500 |
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| 14:05.40 | nimurphy | yeah. |
| 14:06.06 | nimurphy | well, and re-enable the touchpad in bios. :) |
| 14:06.37 | a-atwood | this one: http://auric.debian.org/~joeyh/debconf-stats |
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| 14:06.49 | tralala | a-atwood: do you want to reconfigure exim4? |
| 14:06.53 | a-atwood | aye. |
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| 14:07.15 | tralala | dpkg-reconfigure exim4 (or exim4-config) |
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| 14:07.36 | a-atwood | tralala: many thanks. |
| 14:07.48 | tralala | a-atwood: you're welcome |
| 14:08.42 | dan2 | asg: you must be here |
| 14:09.32 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | don't you have football practice? |
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| 14:10.32 | Jemt | Can someone help me get support for characters like é and ü in OpenOffice? Nothing happens when I press the two keys making up the character é |
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| 14:11.23 | Dan01 | lol its still compiling |
| 14:12.08 | cydork | Dan01, give it some time, will ya :) |
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| 14:14.21 | dan2 | !whack asg |
| 14:14.33 | abrotman | dude .. he's working |
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| 14:14.54 | a-atwood | bloody! several dpkg- files in /usr/bin/ but dpkg-reconfigure is not among them. dpkg 1.10.28 is installed |
| 14:15.18 | azeem | a-atwood: look in /usr/sbin |
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| 14:17.49 | wlnet | good morning, what's the latest? |
| 14:17.56 | a-atwood | azeem: thank you! found it. |
| 14:18.21 | tralala | a-atwood: you're supposed to use it as root |
| 14:18.38 | a-atwood | well, was running sudo. but yes. I was |
| 14:19.05 | tralala | oh, all right then |
| 14:19.12 | wlnet | may i suggest that the latest news about debian be included in the topic. any objection? |
| 14:20.05 | tralala | no objections - you may suggest |
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| 14:21.09 | setcode | hello |
| 14:21.17 | tralala | !greet setcode |
| 14:21.17 | dpkg | Tag, setcode |
| 14:22.46 | Octave_Octet | Hi. I am trying to install the gnash konqueror plugin. And when I try to see a page with flash, it still asks me what does I want to use to read the swf file. If I force konqueror, it complans about the absence of libklashpart.la (which I Indeed do not find on my system) |
| 14:22.49 | Octave_Octet | Any idea ? |
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| 14:25.27 | tralala | Octave_Octet: #kde? #debian-kde? |
| 14:26.20 | Octave_Octet | I'ill try the 2nd option |
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| 14:28.59 | Daemoen | anyone know the sources.list for etch? |
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| 14:29.17 | kantlivelong | how can i allow all users in group "users" to write to a mounted drive? |
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| 14:31.53 | murosai | abrotman: umm how can i use that rt2500 package? :) |
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| 14:32.42 | murosai | i mean how can i execute it, it's supposed to be a x11 application |
| 14:32.54 | Tallu | Uhm.. |
| 14:33.03 | Tallu | I have some weird streams from my server it seems |
| 14:33.21 | Tallu | @/tmp/hald-runner/dbus-OQYeEhAa5J |
| 14:33.40 | newblet | how can i allow all users in group "users" to write to a mounted drive? |
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| 14:36.29 | cydork | murosai, RaConfig2500 |
| 14:38.01 | murosai | how should i have figured that out :o |
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| 14:38.21 | Daemoen | what is the proper method for upgrading from sarge to etch using apt-get? |
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| 14:40.04 | abrotman | murosai: install it .. run it ? |
| 14:40.10 | cydork | murosai, dpkg -L rt500 :) |
| 14:40.34 | murosai | ok that's what i was looking for |
| 14:40.51 | cydork | Daemoen, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 14:45.04 | murosai | rt2500 sees the wireless station and can connect to it but no data transfers :( |
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| 14:46.14 | murosai | wtd |
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| 14:46.21 | murosai | it says connectec despite what key i give it to |
| 14:46.28 | murosai | connected |
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| 14:47.09 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a good proxy server software. Does anyone of you know of any good that you have tested yourself? |
| 14:48.44 | Hoxzer | :( why? |
| 14:49.07 | stew | outlaw84: you want to proxy just web or more? |
| 14:49.26 | outlaw84 | preferably more |
| 14:50.17 | stew | outlaw84: dante-server is a socks server |
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| 14:50.53 | outlaw84 | I have got a network where all the computers and the gateway is connected to a swtich... I wanto reroute one of the computers trafik to go through my server so that I can cut the internet access of that one computer |
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| 14:51.52 | outlaw84 | I gussed seting up a proxy was the bast way |
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| 14:52.41 | Talisker[w] | Hi, I just reconfigured my interfaces file, how do I restart eth0 ? |
| 14:52.47 | stew | outlaw84: why not use NAT/masquerading? |
| 14:53.15 | stew | Talisker[w]: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to restart all interfaces, or "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" for just eth0 |
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| 14:54.10 | eps | if I have a bash script how do I set some thing as a local file |
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| 14:54.28 | eps | I want to run this in the directory that the bash script is running in 7za e cacheicons.7z -aoa |
| 14:54.38 | eps | though I can't set it as absolute as the directory will change |
| 14:54.45 | stew | outlaw84: with something like NAT you don't have to install software on the user's machine |
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| 14:55.49 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 14:56.30 | gypsymauro | I'm searching a solution to have server's disk images , maybe on CD that let me be sure to recover it from bare metal |
| 14:56.39 | gypsymauro | there is something like that? |
| 14:56.39 | newblet | how can i set a users default group? |
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| 14:57.48 | dest | adduser your_user --ingroup your_group |
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| 14:58.43 | wademealing | I want to try debian on my macbook, booting natively |
| 14:58.49 | wademealing | is this possible ? |
| 14:58.55 | abrotman | ppc or intel ? |
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| 15:01.14 | wademealing | intel |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | i think there's a linuxonmacbook site |
| 15:01.26 | outlaw84 | stew: I would still have to redirect the users traffic and set its gateway to my computer same as with proxy, or am I missing something? |
| 15:01.45 | abrotman | http://www.mactel-linux.org/ |
| 15:02.10 | stew | outlaw84: yes, you have to set the default gateway on all of the clients machines. with a proxy server, however, you have to install and configure socks client software |
| 15:02.11 | abrotman | wademealing: i'm sure it's possible .. try the etch installer |
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| 15:02.27 | wademealing | abrotman: i think the biggest problem is going to be bootloader |
| 15:02.35 | wademealing | abrotman: i've been to that site a bit |
| 15:02.45 | infernixx | hm. i think the latest sendmail security update broke in sarge. it depends on a version of libsasl2 which doesnt exist. |
| 15:02.49 | wademealing | abrotman: i've heard the ubuntu fanboys talk about it.. just want to know about debian. |
| 15:03.13 | abrotman | wademealing: i would say to try the Server irc.oftc.net, channel #mactel-linux. |
| 15:03.15 | outlaw84 | stew: so was software would you recommend for NAT? |
| 15:03.17 | infernixx | "sendmail-bin: Depends: libsasl2 (>= 2.1.19.dfsg1) but 2.1.19-1.5sarge1" |
| 15:03.22 | infernixx | libsasl 2.1.19.dfsg1? |
| 15:03.23 | wademealing | thanks |
| 15:03.28 | azeem | abrotman: I don't think it works out-of-the-box |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | wademealing: but i don;'t know anything about the bootloader .. but i would think etch would be ok .. verify with them |
| 15:03.31 | infernixx | that's not in sarge. |
| 15:03.38 | azeem | well, maybe in Etch beta3 |
| 15:03.39 | abrotman | azeem: for etch or linux in general ? |
| 15:03.48 | abrotman | is beta3 .16 or .17 ? |
| 15:03.50 | abrotman | i guess .16 |
| 15:03.57 | azeem | abrotman: installing something can by definition not be "general2 |
| 15:04.02 | azeem | .16 |
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| 15:04.10 | stew | outlaw84: none, it's all built in |
| 15:04.29 | abrotman | looks like it needs some EFI magic |
| 15:04.32 | wademealing | yeah |
| 15:04.35 | wademealing | that is what i was thinking |
| 15:04.37 | azeem | abrotman: Junichi Uekawa has been working on Mactel support, but I don't think all the hacks have been applied |
| 15:04.49 | abrotman | wademealing: you may need to make a custom netinst |
| 15:04.53 | shai_ | I'm trying to remove apache2 but for some reason apache2ctl is still present on my system and the http daemon is still running |
| 15:04.57 | wademealing | argh |
| 15:04.58 | shai_ | How the hell do I eliminate it? |
| 15:05.13 | abrotman | wademealing: or contact Uekawa |
| 15:05.14 | outlaw84 | stew: how do I enable that? |
| 15:05.22 | wademealing | abrotman: that might be the best option. |
| 15:05.36 | abrotman | wademealing: i don't know his irc nick ... email might be the best option |
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| 15:06.18 | Talisker[w] | Shouldn't "apt-get remove apache apache2" be enough? |
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| 15:06.29 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 15:06.36 | abrotman | !tell zamuro about away |
| 15:06.36 | Talisker[w] | To eliminate apache from my system |
| 15:06.44 | abrotman | Talisker[w]: there are still -common packages |
| 15:06.48 | azeem | wademealing: see http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/200607.html.en |
| 15:06.51 | Talisker[w] | oh... |
| 15:07.06 | zamuro | abrotman: I'm just testing a script. |
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| 15:07.15 | Talisker[w] | Here's the fish I'm trying to catch |
| 15:07.17 | Ronin | zamuro: test elsewhere? |
| 15:07.21 | nitrium | hi is there a base64 encoding C devel packet for debian ? |
| 15:07.27 | zamuro | Ronin: Bout to... |
| 15:07.31 | stew | outlaw84: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 15:07.35 | abrotman | nitrium: mime? |
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| 15:07.50 | stew | zamuro: please don't test it here |
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| 15:07.52 | nitrium | yep base64 is one i used while programming with php |
| 15:08.20 | nitrium | i want to check database password encoded with base64 with C utility that i will code. |
| 15:08.57 | nitrium | so i need a base64_encode and decode api for that.. 'cos i dont want to write an interface for it.. |
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| 15:09.55 | abrotman | nitrium: ask ##c if such a thing exists .. if they can tell you the library .. we can tell you if debian has it |
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| 15:11.04 | abrotman | !info libuu-dev sarge |
| 15:11.10 | dpkg | libuu-dev: (Library for decoding/encoding several popular file encodings), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.5.20-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 396 kB |
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| 15:14.30 | Daemoen | hey all, changed my sources.list to reflect testing instead of stable |
| 15:14.33 | nitrium | abrotman: |
| 15:14.39 | abrotman | nitrium: |
| 15:14.45 | nitrium | abrotman: will it encode base64 ? :) |
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| 15:14.49 | Daemoen | using mirrors.kernel.org, and doing a simple apt-get upgrade is failing to retrieve 16MB of files |
| 15:14.54 | abrotman | nitrium: apt-cache show libuu-dev .. |
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| 15:15.14 | abrotman | Daemoen: do a apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 15:15.27 | nitrium | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.30 | nitrium | hmm |
| 15:15.32 | Ronin | abrotman: is kernel.org still borked as a mirror? |
| 15:15.34 | nitrium | :-p |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | Ronin: always IMO :) |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | nitrium: now .. i have no idea how to use :) |
| 15:16.03 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | use it |
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| 15:16.21 | abrotman | Ronin: i stopped using it a long time ago .. wasn't reliable for anything other than stable |
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| 15:17.02 | abrotman | nitrium: and it mentions files .. not text .. so i'm not sure what that means |
| 15:17.20 | Daemoen | .... |
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| 15:17.24 | abrotman | Daemoen: ? |
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| 15:17.52 | Daemoen | greeeattt.. so... im using a distro that has a native disliking for me, and im using a source that doesnt like the distro... great combo :-D |
| 15:18.17 | Ronin | Daemoen: umm ok, now that thats done, whats the problem? |
| 15:18.27 | Daemoen | its working now.. lol |
| 15:18.47 | Daemoen | but... what is up with kernel.org being a bad mirror to use? |
| 15:18.58 | Daemoen | you cant mention something like that and not expect someone to want more details |
| 15:19.02 | cydork | Daemoen, it not reliable :P |
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| 15:19.09 | cydork | s/it/it is/ |
| 15:19.12 | Mitar | is there any program which could test an ethernet cable and tell me if there is anything and what is wrong? |
| 15:19.14 | Ronin | its just not that reliable |
| 15:19.37 | abrotman | Daemoen: it just seems to sync .. slowly .. or not at all |
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| 15:20.00 | abrotman | Daemoen: there are some other mirrors like that .. but kernel.org seems popular .. but seems lacking |
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| 15:20.23 | abrotman | Daemoen: ideally .. pick a mirror near you |
| 15:21.00 | abrotman | Daemoen: what's your location? |
| 15:21.23 | Daemoen | atlanta |
| 15:21.37 | abrotman | ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu .. close enough for you? |
| 15:21.48 | Daemoen | that would work ;) |
| 15:22.07 | abrotman | there's also a mirror at msu.edu |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | and IIRC .. ibiblio is in NC |
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| 15:22.25 | Daemoen | does gatech's have support for http or only ftp |
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| 15:22.44 | IndyBC | Hello. When will the new Debian version will be released? |
| 15:22.50 | abrotman | both .. but http is usually preferred |
| 15:22.53 | abrotman | !tell IndyBC about wwer |
| 15:22.57 | Ronin | IndyBC: eta is sometime in december |
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| 15:23.20 | IndyBC | ok |
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| 15:23.22 | azeem | ugh, wwer is misleading |
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| 15:28.50 | abrotman | azeem: ? |
| 15:29.04 | abrotman | azeem: there is a current estimate i suppose |
| 15:29.43 | azeem | yeah, but it's hidden in the end |
| 15:29.54 | azeem | the factoid implies that no release schedule exists |
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| 15:30.59 | abrotman | yeah .. but technically the schedule always falls to WIR |
| 15:31.09 | rhsanborn | In XFree86, I could add a screen to the config file, and that would make another resolution available to me. Is there another config file or something in Xorg? My external monitor is capable of one higher resolution, and I'd like to add it |
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| 15:32.17 | abrotman | azeem: and i'd say the RC bug count is way too high for that schedule suggested in that email |
| 15:32.27 | usr13 | In trying to install lame, I have encountered the follwoing errors: http://pastebin.ca/147677 |
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| 15:32.45 | abrotman | usr13: where'd you get lame from ? |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | usr13: paste your sources |
| 15:32.59 | abrotman | valdyn: where've you been hiding? |
| 15:33.01 | Ronin | wow deja vu |
| 15:33.07 | usr13 | What can be done about "unmet dependencies" |
| 15:33.10 | jchillerup^ | Ronin, IRC Deja Vu? |
| 15:33.12 | jchillerup^ | Geeky! |
| 15:33.27 | Ronin | usr13: do what abrotman asked |
| 15:33.31 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.48 | Ronin | thats not what they asked usr13 :) |
| 15:33.56 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.07 | Ronin | usr13: paste your sources |
| 15:34.26 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.38 | Ronin | usr13: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:34.44 | Ronin | and please use pastebin.ca |
| 15:34.53 | abrotman | usr13: paste your freaking sources :) |
| 15:35.41 | Ronin | jchillerup^: ya you know youve been on irc too long when you get deja vu :) |
| 15:35.59 | usr13 | sources: http://pastebin.ca/147679 |
| 15:36.29 | abrotman | usr13: DO NOT use testing/unstable multimedia sources if you're running stable |
| 15:36.42 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.08 | Ronin | ack, mixed releases? |
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| 15:37.54 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.08 | usr13 | But will be glad to change if necessary. |
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| 15:40.52 | usr13 | I am a new Debian user, (just getting my oars in the water here). |
| 15:42.09 | Tuttle_ | Hi, on a Sarge server I use distro kernel 2.4. I'd like to restrict my users from seeing other user's processes. How to do it, still using some distro kernel preferably. |
| 15:42.20 | Dan01 | ok its doe |
| 15:42.22 | Dan01 | done and working |
| 15:42.25 | Dan01 | yayz0r |
| 15:42.42 | cydork | Dan01, it finished now?? |
| 15:42.46 | usr13 | Well, I may not have been told to specifically use "testing/unstable multimedia sources", but was told at one point that I needed to append "non-free contrib" to the ends of those lines. |
| 15:43.01 | usr13 | If need be, I'll change my sources.list |
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| 15:43.51 | Dan01 | yeah its working |
| 15:43.56 | Dan01 | its finished |
| 15:44.09 | Dan01 | i rebooted with a usb keybored didn't pick it up :> |
| 15:44.56 | usr13 | OR, have I mucked up my system beyond repair? |
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| 15:45.42 | usr13 | should I chage "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main" to "deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main" ? |
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| 15:46.17 | Kaeles_food | if i chroot into a dir and install something, will it only install it into that dir? |
| 15:46.48 | Dan01 | this is weird itworks when your on the boot menu but when loaded into the shell it doesn't work |
| 15:47.21 | usr13 | Am I correct in assuming that I should have changed sources.list only long enough to the OpenOffice 1.1.3 upgraded to 2.0.3, (and then should have changed it back to what it originally was)? |
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| 15:49.11 | Ronin | you shouldn't ave been mixing releases at all usr13 |
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| 15:51.07 | usr13 | So using sarge-backports, is that a bad idea or what? |
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| 15:51.26 | geek | hi |
| 15:51.41 | geek | is it possible to force the installation of both udev and hotplug? |
| 15:52.00 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.04 | Ronin | usr13: using backports is the correct way, having tesing, sid, and sarge all in there is the bad part |
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| 15:52.45 | usr13 | Ronin> So what is the best thing I can do at this point? |
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| 15:53.28 | usr13 | (I want to "go down swinging":) |
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| 15:53.48 | e-type | hi all |
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| 15:54.28 | usr13 | "rm -rf /" :) |
| 15:55.00 | usr13 | ^ that usually fixes everything! |
| 15:55.09 | azeem | usr13: giving ill advise here is usually answered with a permanent ban |
| 15:55.23 | azeem | especially things like the above |
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| 15:55.58 | usr13 | azeem; was teasing, Was saying that about myself. Sorry, please disreguard. (was a joke) |
| 15:56.14 | azeem | IT IS NOT A JOKE |
| 15:56.25 | azeem | usr13: this is serious |
| 15:56.34 | usr13 | Sorry. |
| 15:57.16 | usr13 | Will not joke anymore, will try to be serious. Sorry. I sincerely appologize to the channel. |
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| 15:58.31 | cydork | usr13, you are free to joke, but somemight try something stupid as that and will get in trouble .. |
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| 15:59.40 | usr13 | In retrospect, what should have been the best way to upgrade OpenOffice 1.1.3 to 2.0.3 ? |
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| 15:59.59 | cydork | usr13, checked backports? |
| 16:00.09 | usr13 | The problem I had was the same as the problem I have now, unresolved dependencies. |
| 16:00.22 | Ronin | usr13: shouldn't have had that if you set up backports |
| 16:01.10 | usr13 | "apt-get install -t sarge-backports openoffice.org" reported uninstallable dependencies, (java) |
| 16:01.17 | Kaeles_food | if i mount nfs rw it should be read and writable? |
| 16:01.42 | usr13 | And that is why I was told I could rectify the situation by changing sources.list |
| 16:01.47 | usr13 | which worked. |
| 16:01.50 | e-type | Kaeles_food: better use ntfs-3g if you want read write support |
| 16:02.07 | Kaeles_food | wha? |
| 16:02.10 | Kaeles_food | no NFS |
| 16:02.10 | cydork | e-type, he said nfs not ntfs :P |
| 16:02.16 | e-type | lol |
| 16:02.18 | e-type | right :) |
| 16:02.22 | Kaeles_food | i was confused for a second there. |
| 16:02.27 | usr13 | Now, I suppose I could change it back, but also assume that a measure of damage has already been done. |
| 16:02.34 | cydork | !confuse Kaeles_food |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | No, how was your ferret tomorrow, Kaeles_food? breeches of the monarchy of tibet with extra herring |
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| 16:02.47 | usr13 | I suppose that I have a mixture of libraries, Right? |
| 16:03.03 | Kaeles_food | but as i said |
| 16:03.18 | cydork | usr13, paste the error in pastebin /msg dpkg paster |
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| 16:03.20 | usr13 | Are my asumptions correct so far? |
| 16:03.23 | e-type | Kaeles_food: it should be rw for users that have rw rights on the dirs |
| 16:03.26 | Kaeles_food | if my exports had the /var/nfs 192.168.*(rw) it should be read and writable? |
| 16:03.47 | Kaeles_food | how do i set it to allow all users to rw on it? |
| 16:03.49 | PuGz_ | hey guys. is there a way to capitalise all the filenames in a directory (change the first character of every word in every filename to an uppercase character)? |
| 16:03.57 | Kaeles_food | chmod? |
| 16:04.41 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/147677 |
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| 16:05.22 | e-type | Kaeles_food: only for users that have rw rights on the remote host. you need correct uid's on both hosts |
| 16:05.27 | rumpl | fais chier |
| 16:05.41 | usr13 | cydork> I'm not sure I understand your request |
| 16:05.42 | Kaeles_food | do what? |
| 16:06.32 | cydork | !paster |
| 16:06.33 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:07.12 | usr13 | !paster |
| 16:07.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:07.13 | cydork | usr13, paste the error which you are getting in above mentioned site, and give us the url |
| 16:07.22 | Ronin | cydork: they did |
| 16:07.24 | Kaeles_food | ok |
| 16:07.29 | Ronin | 13:05:05] <usr13> http://pastebin.ca/147677 |
| 16:07.33 | Kaeles_food | so its not going to work unless the uid is on both hosts? |
| 16:07.42 | cydork | Ronin, oh i didn't know that. |
| 16:07.44 | Kaeles_food | how do i go about doing that? |
| 16:07.46 | cydork | Ronin, :P |
| 16:07.59 | Ronin | cydork: part of the problem is this is thier sources.list http://pastebin.ca/147679 |
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| 16:08.33 | Persilon | Hi, I'm trying to setup a RAID1 array on 2 scsi 160gb discs, but I need some help |
| 16:08.42 | cydork | Ronin, whooo what happened there? |
| 16:08.48 | usr13 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3541 |
| 16:09.19 | usr13 | ^ errors ^ |
| 16:09.34 | Ronin | cydork: good question but i think they're past the point of no return now and i see one option left them |
| 16:09.44 | cydork | usr13, remove all the source for testing, sid and do apt-get update and try again. |
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| 16:10.21 | usr13 | soruces.list: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3542 |
| 16:10.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | when I try to get base-config, I can't (testing) but i need apt-setup.... how can i get it ? |
| 16:10.31 | Dan01 | cydork if the box isn'y picking a usb keybored i need to compile it with usb support? |
| 16:10.43 | usr13 | cydork> Will do |
| 16:10.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=base-config&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 16:10.50 | cydork | Dan01, you didn't include support for usb?? |
| 16:10.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | It's like base-config disappeared from testing |
| 16:10.55 | Persilon | I've installed mdadm and raidtools2 but I don't have mkraid |
| 16:11.03 | Dan01 | hmm |
| 16:11.06 | Dan01 | i'm sure i did |
| 16:11.13 | Dan01 | its got loads of usb things ticked |
| 16:12.02 | cydork | Dan01, i guess usb keyboard uses usbcore try to modprobe that. but m not too sure :P |
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| 16:12.42 | Ferret | PuGz_: Still there? |
| 16:12.42 | dest | base-config isn't in Etch anymore either |
| 16:12.59 | Dan01 | heh ok |
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| 16:14.14 | Persilon | can anyone help me with raid ? |
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| 16:16.42 | shingouz | Persilon: /msg dpkg ask |
| 16:16.52 | shingouz | Persilon: your raid hardware or software? |
| 16:16.58 | Persilon | shingouz: software |
| 16:17.18 | shingouz | Persilon: sorry, out of my depth then, i run only hardware raids here :( |
| 16:17.32 | PDani | is it possible to make a tcp |
| 16:17.35 | cydork | Persilon, what is the problem?? |
| 16:17.40 | Persilon | shingouz: ok, Thanatermesi |
| 16:17.45 | PDani | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.54 | Persilon | * sorry, thanks anyway |
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| 16:18.14 | shingouz | PDani: i think it is with the correct hardware |
| 16:18.20 | Persilon | cydork: I was following the raid howto, I installed mdadm and raidtools2 but I don't have mkraid nor other commands |
| 16:18.36 | Ferret | PuGz_: Yeah, anyway, I hope you're still here, because I have to go. You want something like this monstrocity: cd foo/; for i in *; do mv "$i" "$(printf "%c" "$i" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]')${i#?}"; done |
| 16:18.36 | PuGz_ | Ferret: yep - still here |
| 16:18.38 | PDani | shingouz: i mean, with a simple usb-cable |
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| 16:19.10 | PuGz_ | Ferret: hmmm ... i dont understand how it works - but i will give it a test run :) |
| 16:19.12 | shingouz | PDani: no can do. if you use a normal usb cable you will fry something. there are usb to usb cables available and you definitely need one |
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| 16:19.30 | cydork | Persilon, are you trying raid1?? |
| 16:19.49 | Persilon | cydork: yes |
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| 16:20.42 | ugly | when I try to run 'aterm -e cmd,' the window closes immediately after opening, even if the command is: aterm -e 'sleep XXX' |
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| 16:20.54 | ugly | so I don't think it's even launching whatever is specified |
| 16:20.59 | cydork | Persilon, /msg dpkg raid1howto |
| 16:21.41 | Ferret | ugly: Try without the quotes, perhaps. |
| 16:22.00 | shingouz | this is getting serious: my laptop begins to look appetizing, i must be hungry |
| 16:22.26 | ugly | oh heh |
| 16:22.27 | PuGz_ | Ferret: i get output like this: mv: `01 - sand.ogg' and `01 - sand.ogg' are the same file |
| 16:22.42 | ugly | thanks |
| 16:22.56 | ugly | I swear it used to work with quotes! :| |
| 16:23.03 | Ferret | PuGz_: Yes, it will print that for any filenames it can't capitalise because the first character isn't a letter. :) |
| 16:23.16 | cydork | !force-feed shingouz |
| 16:23.40 | PuGz_ | Ahhh... well for a name like "01 - sand.ogg"... the desired filename would be "01 - Sand.ogg" |
| 16:23.41 | Ferret | PuGz_: Unless you want the first letter to be capitlised irrespective of whether it's the first character? |
| 16:23.44 | PuGz_ | any ideas? |
| 16:23.50 | Ferret | Yeah, I can do that, hang on. |
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| 16:24.01 | PuGz_ | Ferret: yeah... not just the 1st character... 1st letter of EVERY WORD |
| 16:24.12 | PuGz_ | Ferret: cheers btw |
| 16:24.25 | Ferret | PuGz_: Woah woah! |
| 16:24.35 | Ferret | Now you need a perl script for that. :P |
| 16:24.49 | PuGz_ | Ferret: so "08 - he could be.ogg" would be "08 - He Could Be.ogg" |
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| 16:25.22 | PuGz_ | Ferret: i have been meaning to learn perl. am i correct in that it is sort of like an extension to bash? A super bash? |
| 16:26.32 | Ferret | PuGz_: Not really. Although it can conveniently replace bash scripts in a lot of circumstances, it can often do the same with, say, C programs;P |
| 16:27.04 | aeolist | hello everyone |
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| 16:27.53 | PuGz_ | Ferret: well C is VERY different to bash! hehe |
| 16:28.08 | PuGz_ | Ferret: do you compile perl scripts? I imagine not... hence the word "script"? |
| 16:28.27 | aeolist | i am looking for help with gnuplot and octave (not sure if these can help me with a problem i have to solve), the documentation seems huge and their channels are kinda inactive, is there anyone in the know who can/want to help me? |
| 16:28.30 | PuGz_ | Ferret: perl, python, php... all run without compiling yeah? |
| 16:28.54 | cydork | !ask |
| 16:28.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:29.02 | cydork | aeolist, ^^ |
| 16:29.08 | Ferret | PuGz_: cd foo/; for i in *; do mv "$i" "$(echo '01 - he could be' | perl -pe 's/(\s)([a-z])/$1\u$2/g')"; done |
| 16:29.36 | Ferret | PuGz_: Oh, wait, that won't work if it IS the first character |
| 16:29.47 | PuGz_ | hehe |
| 16:29.47 | stew | PuGz_: rename 's/\b(.)/uc($1)/eg' * |
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| 16:29.56 | Ferret | PuGz_: If you run both the lines I gave you on a directory, though, everything will be fine. :D |
| 16:30.17 | PuGz_ | stew: does that do only the first character of each word? |
| 16:30.23 | stew | PuGz_: yes |
| 16:30.32 | aeolist | oh, the usual... so I have to approximate a square waveform using Fourier series, need to draw 4 diagrams, each diagrams using an increasing number of harmonics... Which program should i use and where can i learn to do this fast? the paper's due tomorrow morning |
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| 16:30.40 | PuGz_ | Ferret: well all of the files have numbers first... so it wouldnt matter |
| 16:30.42 | Ferret | stew: I don't have that command here... is it just perl underneath? In which case, I avoided \b ... perl's idea of a word character doesn't match mine |
| 16:30.42 | stew | PuGz_: the \b means match a word boundry, so its acting on the first char of each word |
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| 16:31.00 | stew | Ferret: if you are on debian you have the command. yes it it is perl |
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| 16:31.05 | Ferret | stew: He's going to end with songs called "Johnny Doesn'T care.Mp3" |
| 16:31.08 | PuGz_ | stew: ahh... cool |
| 16:31.15 | stew | Ferret: yes |
| 16:31.53 | PuGz_ | hehe - some of the files DO have appostraphes too! |
| 16:32.10 | rhsanborn | Anyone here use a program to schedule tasks? In much the same way that the task list in Outlook works? |
| 16:32.15 | deadcat | nVidia: Any. No open DRI driver. Closed driver support coming soon though. <-- so is this here yet? or still coming soon? |
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| 16:32.30 | MustangMatt | rhsanborn: google calendar. |
| 16:32.33 | dazjorz | ugh, Windoze chkdsk is soo slow >_< |
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| 16:32.40 | dazjorz | takes 10 minutes for 1% |
| 16:32.41 | e-type | rhsanborn: evolution? |
| 16:32.42 | PuGz_ | Ferret: in that last script - you actually had the words "he could be" in there... was that accidental? |
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| 16:32.59 | deadcat | MustangMatt: like to let google know what your plans are eh? |
| 16:33.08 | MustangMatt | deadcat: Yes ;) |
| 16:33.09 | cydork | aeolist, use octave :) it's easy in that. |
| 16:33.10 | PuGz_ | MustangMatt: rhsanborn: i use google calendar aswell! |
| 16:33.26 | deadcat | MustangMatt: "tues: buy yahoo stock".. monday. your account disabled. (= |
| 16:33.45 | Ferret | PuGz_: Yes. :P |
| 16:33.47 | PuGz_ | haha |
| 16:33.48 | MustangMatt | I trust that google isn't going to rob me while I'm not home and there isn't any conidential information in my calendar. |
| 16:33.48 | rhsanborn | e-type, I will take a look at that |
| 16:33.58 | PuGz_ | Ferret: meant to be $i? |
| 16:34.04 | rhsanborn | PuGz_, MustangMatt , thanks |
| 16:34.21 | aeolist | cydork: any fast and in depth tutorial on this? |
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| 16:34.37 | PuGz_ | rhsanborn: you could also use evolution's calendar - it interfaces with gnome's calendar |
| 16:35.50 | PuGz_ | Ferret: woah - i am glad i tried that on a test directory - it deleted all my files and left just 1 file called $i |
| 16:35.52 | rhsanborn | PuGz_, thanks, I appreciate it |
| 16:35.57 | PuGz_ | this is the command i used: for i in *; do mv "$i" "$(echo '$i' | perl -pe 's/(\s)([a-z])/$1\u$2/g')"; done |
| 16:36.01 | jelly | What's octave, poor man's matlab? |
| 16:36.02 | PuGz_ | rhsanborn: np |
| 16:36.20 | _rynz- | wtf, macgyver new series again on abc, richard dean anderson in 5 year deal |
| 16:36.21 | PuGz_ | jelly: indeed! |
| 16:36.29 | PuGz_ | jelly: or open source matlab alternative |
| 16:36.38 | aeolist | octave:D |
| 16:36.39 | cydork | aeolist, i really have no idea about the tutorial atm, google |
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| 16:36.48 | aeolist | cydork: thanks a bunch mate |
| 16:36.50 | jelly | PuGz_: hmm, does it have a gui? :-) |
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| 16:36.57 | PuGz_ | jelly: no |
| 16:37.00 | PuGz_ | jelly: console |
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| 16:37.16 | PuGz_ | jelly: but matlab is mainly console stuff with a little bit of gui |
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| 16:38.01 | jelly | PuGz_: yeah, but gui is nice for mixing up a simple model for those of us who don't speak the language. |
| 16:38.11 | PuGz_ | jelly: i am sorry - it DOES have a gui: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Octave_workshop_screenshot.png |
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| 16:39.01 | Dan01 | if i make changes to the krnel config cn i just do fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=2.6.17.2 kernel_image and dpkg -i it again? |
| 16:40.11 | cydork | Dan01, yep |
| 16:40.13 | nvz | Dan01: yep except you probably want to use the clean target between builds, and there is a --rootcmd= option where you can put the fakeroot.. but it works that way too |
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| 16:40.30 | Dan01 | i'm not if i even need that fakeroot thing |
| 16:40.50 | deadcat | i have (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" is not used <-- but its enabled in xorg.org, why isnt it "not used" ? |
| 16:40.53 | Ferret | PuGz_: OK, finally, a combination of the two that works fairly sensibly: it always capitalises after spaces or at the start of the filename: rename 's/( .|^.)/\U$1/g' * |
| 16:40.57 | nvz | you do, and you want to be a non-root user when you compile |
| 16:41.27 | Dan01 | ah ok |
| 16:41.33 | Dan01 | i'm logged in as root |
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| 16:41.53 | Dan01 | i'm just trying to get this bloody usb to work lol |
| 16:41.54 | nvz | Dan01: a single typo in a makefile could be disasterous when compiling as root |
| 16:41.56 | PuGz_ | Ferret: works beautifully! thank you very much! |
| 16:41.59 | PuGz_ | stew: thank you as well! |
| 16:42.02 | Dan01 | true# |
| 16:42.13 | PuGz_ | jelly: what do you think of that gui? |
| 16:42.18 | PuGz_ | looks alright i think! |
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| 16:42.25 | jelly | PuGz_: "Octave Workshop will set your computer on fire and cost you millions. You are warned." |
| 16:42.34 | Dan01 | i have left the old kernel and boot config and in menu.lst just incase |
| 16:43.15 | jelly | PuGz_: It's a start, might evolve to something friendly. |
| 16:43.23 | PuGz_ | jelly: hehe... yeah |
| 16:43.43 | cydork | jelly, i doubt that :P |
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| 16:45.18 | Kaeles_food | everything in the init.d should be run on startup? |
| 16:45.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | May anyone tell me why base-config is not available for testing ? and how i can get apt-setup in testing.....\ |
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| 16:45.45 | poonj | hey guys, anyne here setup a software RAID before?R |
| 16:46.08 | stew | Ox0F0-0FF: in testing all of the config during install is done before the first reboot, so there is no need for base-config after the reboot |
| 16:46.23 | stew | poonj: many people in here have |
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| 16:46.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | stew, i moved to brazil, i want to run apt-setup.... where is it ? |
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| 16:46.45 | stew | Ox0F0-0FF: it doesn't exist in etch |
| 16:46.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | stupid crap |
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| 16:47.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | allright, I'll change everything by hand then... |
| 16:47.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | And firstly will have to find a list of servers |
| 16:47.37 | stew | Ox0F0-0FF: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:47.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | who in the hell had this stupid idea of removing it... |
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| 16:47.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | yes... |
| 16:47.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | thanks stew |
| 16:47.59 | jelly | soo... any plans to reinstate apt-setup in testing? :-) |
| 16:48.08 | stew | jelly: no |
| 16:48.18 | poonj | well, I'm trying to setup a system that has an individual hard drive that is used to boot the system up and a separate software RAID 5 for storage. My question is, if the system HD crashes, maintaining the RAID 5 and its data after I reinstall the system would not be an issue am I correct? |
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| 16:48.27 | stew | the apt-setup author never intended it to be available outside of d-i |
| 16:48.53 | jelly | stew: well, there's a lot of people using it nevertheless |
| 16:49.33 | stew | jelly: yeah. but now someone would have to fork it and maintain it. and nobody has done that yet |
| 16:49.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | stew, Well, it's handy..... should be back in debian |
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| 16:50.26 | stew | Ox0F0-0FF: maybe you should consider doing it then |
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| 16:50.42 | Ronin | stew: sounds they like they voluntered :) |
| 16:50.47 | jelly | stew: ianadd, would it makes any sense to create an ITP for a forked version of apt-setup? |
| 16:50.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | If i only had enough time i would for sure, I already have barely the time to take care of the package i maintain |
| 16:50.58 | azeem | jelly: ask on debian-devel first |
| 16:51.20 | jelly | Yeah, that makes sense. |
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| 16:58.45 | abrotman | !tell cydork about nm |
| 16:59.21 | cydork | abrotman, checking it. |
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| 17:01.04 | Dan01 | lol |
| 17:01.10 | Dan01 | this is pissing me off now |
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| 17:03.07 | loneiguana | my debian got corrupted so I can't boot. Can someone help me reinstall in place? |
| 17:03.10 | deadcat | nVidia: Any. No open DRI driver. Closed driver support coming soon though. <-- so is this here yet? or still coming soon? |
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| 17:03.34 | zinx | uhm |
| 17:03.40 | zinx | nVidia has provided closed drivers for *YEARS* |
| 17:03.48 | azeem | deadcat: what X version are you talking about? |
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| 17:04.17 | cydork | abrotman, i dont know anyone who can act as advocate :( |
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| 17:04.27 | zinx | first closed drivers came out around the same time the TNT2 came out.. they sucked, though. the current gen of closed drivers didn't take too much longer to come out |
| 17:04.28 | deadcat | azeem: well. i am trying to see if nvidia works with aiglx or not.. |
| 17:04.39 | zinx | oh, no. |
| 17:04.42 | zinx | not yet. |
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| 17:04.46 | deadcat | oh |
| 17:05.09 | zinx | provide some context next time :x |
| 17:05.22 | deadcat | zinx: so its still "coming soon" ? |
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| 17:05.29 | zinx | aiglx, yes |
| 17:05.36 | zinx | closed drivers, have been around forever ;D |
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| 17:05.56 | Spliffster | hi folks. i am fetchin data rom a webserver with netcat. the reaponse bodies content contains a null character every eother character (checked with a hex editor). am i dealing with utf-8 content ? |
| 17:06.11 | abrotman | cydork: you ask for one .. |
| 17:06.29 | azeem | zinx: not for 7.1 though |
| 17:06.38 | deadcat | i have (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" is not used <-- but its enabled in xorg.org, why isnt it "not used" ? |
| 17:06.42 | zinx | azeem: :/ |
| 17:06.43 | azeem | which is the AIGLX-equipped X.org |
| 17:06.56 | zinx | azeem: the drivers work with 7.1, if you disable a couple of things |
| 17:07.54 | cydork | abrotman, it says the The Applicant needs to have an Advocate, i will still fill the web based form .. |
| 17:08.02 | loneiguana | can someone point me to a debian REinstall manual? |
| 17:08.15 | Ronin | loneiguana: reinstall manual? dont think there is such a thing |
| 17:08.19 | deadcat | loneiguana: reinstall mean redo the install. |
| 17:08.20 | Ronin | loneiguana: what seems to be the problem? |
| 17:08.50 | abrotman | cydork: "After the application is submitted to the system, an official Debian Developer who has worked with the Applicant advocates them." |
| 17:08.50 | Ronin | ahh cant boot, what if any messages/errors? or was this already covered? |
| 17:09.08 | loneiguana | Ronin: I had some harddrive corruption. Got everything copied over to a new disk and can mount from knoppix, but I can't boot to debian |
| 17:09.21 | Spliffster | does any one know if gre, sed, ex and co can deal with utf-8 data ? |
| 17:09.25 | Ronin | loneiguana: what errors? messages? |
| 17:09.56 | deadcat | loneiguana: copied? maybe missing the loader in MBR? |
| 17:10.53 | cydork | abrotman, it just says Please ask your advocate to visit this web page and verify your application. Now where can find a dd who will agree to do that :P |
| 17:11.09 | Ronin | cydork: its a test ;) |
| 17:11.20 | loneiguana | Ronin & deadcat: last line of kernel output is |
| 17:11.20 | loneiguana | ide0(3,5):Using r5 hash to sort names |
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| 17:11.35 | loneiguana | Ronin & Deadcat goto #flood for the last couple lines |
| 17:12.01 | cydork | Ronin, i have given many ;) and i managed to even pass some of them. |
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| 17:13.53 | loneiguana | deadcat: copied using dd_rescue - not missing the mbr |
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| 17:14.12 | deadcat | loneiguana: ah.. i dont know much about copying hdds (= |
| 17:14.34 | epsilon | how can I delete cached resolves in bind? I moved a domain to another server, but my local bind has old IP stored still for next 22h |
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| 17:15.23 | loneiguana | perhaps knoppix made some changes to the reiserfs, and now debians old kernel can't handle it? Knoppix did mention something about "old headers" and upgrading when I was running fsck |
| 17:16.05 | loneiguana | but it seems like doing a reinstall would be good place to start |
| 17:16.33 | loneiguana | you know how windows programs let you do a "repair" on the installation, it's a shame linux doesn't have an equivalent |
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| 17:18.54 | jpriest | What if I want to build a package from a source from stable on testing and I have both testing/stable sources in my sources.list? |
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| 17:19.40 | bowman | hi - anyone know how to pass a username to a network printer with cups/lpd? |
| 17:19.41 | bowman | s/lpd/lpr/g |
| 17:19.41 | klikklak | jpriest: /etc/apt/preferences set an entry there |
| 17:19.51 | jpriest | k, thanks |
| 17:20.16 | abrotman | !tell cydork about mentors |
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| 17:20.59 | jduf | How would I go about restoring the Windows MBR? (some sort of program to do so, perhaps?) |
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| 17:21.58 | klikklak | jpriest: pin-priority should be something like 999 and write the package name under Package: .. well you sorted it out already I suppose |
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| 17:22.02 | loneiguana | jduf: boot to the windows recovery cd, goto recovery console and run fixmbr |
| 17:22.29 | abrotman | MS has a nice article about it :) |
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| 17:23.03 | rhsanborn | I downloaded a .deb file, what is the program to install it? |
| 17:23.09 | jduf | loneiguana, I don't believe I have a recovery cd, unfortunately. Any other way? |
| 17:23.25 | syntaxx | rhsanborn, dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 17:23.34 | jduf | loneiguana, is there some sort of floppy image I can download to make a bootable msdos floppy disk and then use fdisk? |
| 17:23.40 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 17:23.50 | rhsanborn | syntaxx, thx! |
| 17:24.17 | jelly | jduf: can you boot windows? |
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| 17:25.16 | loneiguana | jduf: if you have a windows 98 installed on any computer you can make a bootable floppy by going to add/remove programs and theres a tab to make a bootable floppy |
| 17:25.27 | loneiguana | I'm sure you can find images on the net somewhere |
| 17:25.30 | loneiguana | and the dd them to your flopppy |
| 17:25.35 | jduf | jelly, loneiguana, I can't boot Windows (I'm in Knoppix right now) |
| 17:26.13 | jelly | jduf: you could add windows partition to your current boot manager, boot it, then run whatever is needed from windows. |
| 17:26.28 | jelly | what does knoppix use, grub? |
| 17:26.37 | loneiguana | jduf: google for windows boot disk |
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| 17:27.16 | jduf | jelly, my current boot manager does not work (it's grub, but I deleted my linux partition by accident and now grub doesn't boot) |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | bootdisk.com |
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| 17:27.20 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 17:27.21 | dpkg | from memory, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 17:27.29 | jduf | jelly, so I need to restore the windows XP bootloader to load up windows (on knoppix now) |
| 17:27.42 | abrotman | jduf: so use your windows CD and do it |
| 17:27.49 | jduf | abrotman, don't have windows cd |
| 17:27.52 | jelly | jduf: but grub itself does work, doesn't it? |
| 17:27.53 | jduf | I'm googling windows boot disk now |
| 17:27.57 | abrotman | jduf: this is really not a Debian issue |
| 17:28.05 | jduf | jelly, grub does not work, I cannot get into any operating system (except on CD) |
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| 17:28.21 | jduf | abrotman, well I had originally come in here to ask if there was any software on debian that I could apt-get to fix it |
| 17:28.26 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 17:28.27 | dpkg | from memory, ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
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| 17:28.58 | abrotman | jduf: that CD ubcd4win should have something |
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| 17:29.52 | loneiguana | is there a file that lists all the packages I have installed (or have instructed debian to install manually)? |
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| 17:30.10 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 17:30.10 | jelly | if he has a grub floppy or cd, he can just chainload windows partition and run fixmbr or whatever from there. |
| 17:30.12 | cydork | abrotman, thanks .. |
| 17:30.30 | jduf | jelly, ah, that might be easier |
| 17:30.46 | loneiguana | abrotman: a file I can't boot to my debian installation and chroot segfaults |
| 17:31.13 | jelly | jduf: I don't know what knoppix uses, grub, lilo, something else? |
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| 17:32.06 | jduf | jelly, it has grub stuff |
| 17:33.08 | abrotman | loneiguana: the /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:34.06 | jelly | jduf: so get to the grub prompt, type "root (hd0,0)" if your windows are on hda1 or sda1, then "makeactive", then "chainloader +1" |
| 17:34.37 | abrotman | jduf: that UBCD has what you're looking for |
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| 17:34.58 | abrotman | jelly: fixmbr is only on the install CD iirc |
| 17:35.09 | smarcow | can i have vesafb-tng in my debian kernel? |
| 17:35.32 | jelly | abrotman: there's always diskpart |
| 17:35.54 | jelly | abrotman: though I can't check if it has a rewrite-mbr option right now :-| |
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| 17:36.38 | jduf | well, I'm attempting to load up Grub right now, but it's taking quite a long time. |
| 17:37.56 | xored_ | how to set 2 input devices ( mouse / touchpad ) under xorg 7.x |
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| 17:40.16 | loneiguana | Why does chroot segfault when I try to chroot into my debian partition? |
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| 17:41.28 | loneiguana | or perhaps I should be asking: How can I make chroot not segfault when I try to chroot my debian partition |
| 17:41.42 | PuGz_ | hey guys... can someone try to access my webserver: http://kite.homelinux.net/ |
| 17:41.48 | PuGz_ | does that link work? |
| 17:41.53 | abrotman | it's cat porn! |
| 17:42.07 | Ronin | ewwwwwww |
| 17:42.15 | PuGz_ | i swear its not! hehe |
| 17:42.27 | PuGz_ | abrotman: but seriously - does it work? |
| 17:42.30 | Ronin | but to answer your question, no not yet PuGz_ |
| 17:42.36 | smarcow | PuGz_, no |
| 17:42.44 | abrotman | PuGz_: nerp |
| 17:42.48 | PuGz_ | bugger |
| 17:42.52 | abrotman | or your server is *really* slow |
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| 17:43.08 | PuGz_ | i just changed isp's... and i think this isp is blocking the majority of ports |
| 17:43.16 | abrotman | shocking |
| 17:43.27 | Ronin | PuGz_: not that i advocate it but thats easy to get around |
| 17:43.28 | PuGz_ | i will have to ring them tomorrow and tell them to bugger off with their port blocking - i can do it myself ;) |
| 17:43.37 | PuGz_ | yes? |
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| 17:43.40 | Ronin | PuGz_: heh good luck with that |
| 17:43.49 | PuGz_ | Ronin: what is this method? |
| 17:43.51 | abrotman | PuGz_: it's not to protect you .. it's to protect them and their wallet |
| 17:43.56 | Ronin | abrotman: indeed |
| 17:43.58 | EnsignRedshirt | My disk filled up. 'apt-get clean' freed up about 300Meg. Why would the df command show 1k-blocks: 6728280, Used: 6463824, Available: 0? |
| 17:44.09 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: not run sync yet? |
| 17:44.12 | Ronin | PuGz_: you best check your tos to see if you can even run servers before you call them up |
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| 17:44.21 | PuGz_ | Well my last isp had an option on their website that allowed me to turn off port blocking |
| 17:44.24 | EnsignRedshirt | abrotman: Nope. |
| 17:44.33 | PuGz_ | Ronin: tos? |
| 17:44.39 | jelly | EnsignRedshirt: reserved space for root is about 5% by default. you need to delete/move some more files. |
| 17:44.48 | Ronin | PuGz_: terms of server, teh contract we all get but never read :) |
| 17:44.57 | PuGz_ | ahhh |
| 17:45.15 | PuGz_ | Ronin: fair enough. but whats this method to get around it? |
| 17:45.19 | RvGaTe | How can i easily tranfer files to/from a machine that only has ssh ability... |
| 17:45.24 | jelly | EnsignRedshirt: and try not to go on away missions with major characters. |
| 17:45.32 | PuGz_ | RvGaTe: its called sftp |
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| 17:45.34 | EnsignRedshirt | jelly: :) |
| 17:45.44 | PuGz_ | RvGaTe: or the command "scp" |
| 17:45.44 | dserban | hrrm. I need mpg123 (the real non-free one), is there a deb package available anywhere? |
| 17:46.02 | Ronin | PuGz_: sorry im not being an arse but i wont say, its not hard to figure out though |
| 17:46.04 | opee2 | i am trying to use rsync and get skipping non-regular file "home/displaced/openssl/openssl-0.9.8b/test/md2test.c" how do i foce rsync to copy ALL files? |
| 17:46.11 | EnsignRedshirt | abrotman: sync didn't change it. |
| 17:46.14 | jduf | jelly, after I type all that grub stuff, then what do I do? |
| 17:46.18 | n8rider | hi, i'm using windowmaker. is it possible to assign keyboard shortcuts to menu entries using debian menu system? |
| 17:46.23 | RvGaTe | PuGz_, hmm, let me check |
| 17:46.23 | jduf | jelly, just exit out, or type 'install' or something? |
| 17:46.29 | jelly | jduf: are you in windows now? |
| 17:46.36 | signuts | I keep getting these rediculous messages in my inbox saying find is using a deprecated parameter. (Can't recall what now. just deleted them all). I have performed a distupgrade and I don't know what gives! |
| 17:47.03 | signuts | They're cron generated messages, i'm so sick of constnatly deleting these stupid annoyances =P |
| 17:47.17 | jduf | jelly, still in knoppix, I typed in those above things: root (hd0,1); makeactive; chainloader +1; and I don't know what to from here on |
| 17:47.18 | jduf | jelly, type install or something? |
| 17:47.25 | jelly | jduf: boot |
| 17:47.28 | signuts | boot! |
| 17:47.31 | signuts | the best one ever |
| 17:47.36 | jelly | jduf: type "boot", that is |
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| 17:47.55 | jduf | jelly, and then just reboot? |
| 17:48.07 | jelly | jduf: it should boot windows then |
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| 17:48.09 | jduf | ah, all right |
| 17:48.10 | loneiguana | does anyone want to help me get my debian install working. When I try to chroot to repair it, chroot segfaults |
| 17:48.10 | jduf | thanks |
| 17:48.16 | jduf | :( |
| 17:48.19 | jduf | er :) * |
| 17:48.24 | dserban | no one? |
| 17:48.24 | loneiguana | I think I need to reinstall some base packages |
| 17:48.25 | dserban | :( |
| 17:48.36 | PuGz_ | Ronin: would you say in pm? |
| 17:48.42 | loneiguana | but I don't know which ones |
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| 17:48.59 | opee2 | i am trying to use rsync and get skipping non-regular file "home/displaced/openssl/openssl-0.9.8b/test/md2test.c" how do i foce rsync to copy ALL files? |
| 17:49.19 | jelly | jduf: note that for grub first partition on first disk is (hd0,0), second is (hd0,1) -- starting from zero. |
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| 17:52.21 | Phlogiston | I need help installing the gd2 library with support for freetype. What is the correct package? Because typo3 always complains about that my gd does not support freetype :( |
| 17:52.31 | PuGz_ | Ronin: i need a hint buddy! :) |
| 17:52.33 | cydork | abrotman, just signed up for a mentor.debian.net :) |
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| 17:54.43 | itchi | With qemu i have no more network connection to it. It's been with that '-net nic -net user'. To get network in qemu? |
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| 17:55.25 | PuGz_ | Ronin: is it basically to get apache to listen on port 8080 and have dyndns redirect trafic on port 80 to port 8080? |
| 17:55.25 | loneiguana | where can I get basedeb.tar? |
| 17:55.39 | n8rider | can you configure keyboard shortcuts for menu entries in debian menu if the underlying window manager supports shortcuts? |
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| 17:57.02 | itchi | I have now installed the qemu version 0.8.1 And it's looks that it's no more the same parameters to get network running in that virtual computer. The man page looks not be updated. So i have not the right informations |
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| 17:57.55 | Vladi | hi, is there a way to monitor what traffic is joing through a router just by being connected to the same switch as everyone else im using ntop? |
| 17:59.13 | liran_ | Vladi: so you mean, you want to receive all traffic on the switch your connected? |
| 17:59.43 | loneiguana | anybody? |
| 17:59.46 | Vladi | liran_: yeah configuring ntop so i can see who is using our internet and for what |
| 18:00.22 | abrotman | cydork: now get packaging |
| 18:00.29 | liran_ | Vladi: well since it's switched you cant really sniff on it, so you could either put the sniffer on the router machine (if its linux) or put it on a port copy interface to get the same traffic |
| 18:00.32 | abrotman | Phlogiston: apt-cache search libgd |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | liran_: that's not entirely true |
| 18:01.02 | Vladi | liran_: yeah the router is a linksys not sure it has port copy support |
| 18:01.10 | liran_ | abrotman: there are some other ways ofcourse. |
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| 18:01.41 | liran_ | Vladi: you configure the port copy on the switch that aggregates every other ports to the router. |
| 18:02.04 | abrotman | liran_ is a hacker!!! |
| 18:02.10 | liran_ | Vladi: i dont know your topology but you've got the ideas now... its up to you what to do with them |
| 18:02.13 | lacostepf | Keys F11, F12 Home and End don't work on my system, under X or console (showkeys shows nothing). Any idea why ? |
| 18:02.14 | liran_ | lol |
| 18:02.22 | Vladi | liran_: thanks! |
| 18:02.37 | liran_ | lacostepf: they're probably not mapped. |
| 18:02.53 | liran_ | lacostepf: read about xmodmap and xev to try and see if they're supported at all. |
| 18:03.13 | liran_ | abrotman: im bummed |
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| 18:03.31 | liran_ | abrotman: why isnt there a debian certification? |
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| 18:03.53 | liran_ | abrotman: my friend who did an rhce course a few months ago called me up and asked me to join him on the exam |
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| 18:06.05 | abrotman | liran_: there is .. kind of |
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| 18:07.08 | liran_ | abrotman: i never heard of any... at least its not available here. |
| 18:07.17 | abrotman | or rather .. there used to be |
| 18:07.19 | cydork | liran_, i gave a one interview for a sysadmin, interviewer asked how to setup a network interface. |
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| 18:07.46 | liran_ | abrotman: lets start a debian school :) |
| 18:07.55 | abrotman | liran_: one of the spi/lwce/sair/whatever used to concentrate on debian .. but i'm not sure they do anymore |
| 18:08.08 | EnsignRedshirt | Did he say "Debian's cool"? |
| 18:08.13 | liran_ | cydork: what do you mean? |
| 18:08.14 | abrotman | liran_: kids .. today we will RTFM!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:08.31 | liran_ | EnsignRedshirt: debian is *always* cool :) |
| 18:08.34 | liran_ | abrotman: haha |
| 18:08.50 | cydork | abrotman, :) |
| 18:08.53 | liran_ | abrotman: lets go for it |
| 18:08.55 | Heston | abrotman, me first, me first! |
| 18:08.57 | liran_ | cydork is in |
| 18:09.07 | cydork | liran_, my priv msg was about rhce :P |
| 18:09.10 | abrotman | !tell Heston about grounding |
| 18:09.12 | liran_ | Heston is in |
| 18:09.28 | Lou80 | Does anyone know of a problem regarding ram disks which arises when you try to install a 2.6.17 kernel_image.deb on a system which is currently running 2.6.8? Is there a specific version of initramfs-tools which I should have installed? |
| 18:09.36 | madclicker | is there a way to change the ttyS number on a pci based hardware modem? |
| 18:09.39 | abrotman | probably related to udev |
| 18:09.43 | liran_ | what priv msg? |
| 18:10.04 | cydork | liran_, never mind :) |
| 18:10.34 | Lou80 | should I have compiled my 2.7.17 kernel with the --initrd option in kernel-package?? |
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| 18:10.46 | Lou80 | sorry without --initrd |
| 18:11.07 | Phlogiston | abrotman: Thanks it was my php installation |
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| 18:11.45 | EnsignRedshirt | Currently my srv directory is a subdirectory in /. I would like to instead have srv be the mount point of another partition. Will this work: copy the contents of srv to the new partition; (2) add the partition to fstab with mount point srv. |
| 18:12.22 | visba | any hints on why i'm getting a blank screen after the kernel img decompresses on a new install of testing on my amd k7 box? |
| 18:12.29 | EnsignRedshirt | ...and then reboot (or find the command that remounts partitions from fstab without rebooting). |
| 18:12.37 | visba | seems pretty consistant accross weekly, daily or whatever buildds |
| 18:13.26 | Heston | visba, testing works fine on my K7 |
| 18:13.45 | EnsignRedshirt | Currently the partition that I want to be /srv is mounted as /mnt/sdb2. |
| 18:14.20 | visba | Heston: i'm sure it would work if i could get it installed past this blank screen |
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| 18:15.18 | EnsignRedshirt | Maybe I should also 'mv srv srv.old', too. |
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| 18:16.00 | Heston | visba, you will have to provide more information than that to diagnose the problem |
| 18:16.02 | sep | EnsignRedshirt, and make a new /srv to be the mountpoint |
| 18:16.22 | EnsignRedshirt | sep: Good point, thanks! |
| 18:17.37 | loneiguana | what's the replacement for basedeb.tar in woody? |
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| 18:17.48 | nomeata | Hi. Does debian sarge support NFS4 as both server and client? |
| 18:18.02 | azeem | please don't crosspost |
| 18:18.25 | visba | Heston: K7 cpu, older kernel img's work fine (2.6.12 and earlier), but when i try to install a newer testing distro, from disk or just upgrading the kernel, i consistantly get a blank screen after the initrd.img-2.6.16-2-k7 is loaded |
| 18:18.33 | Lou80 | hi azeem |
| 18:18.55 | Lou80 | do you know of a problem regarding ram disks which arises when you try to install a 2.6.17 kernel_image.deb on a system which is currently running 2.6.8? Is there a specific version of initramfs-tools which I should have installed? |
| 18:19.59 | Heston | visba, have you tried any other distro's with a newer kernel? |
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| 18:20.19 | visba | Heston: i'm currently using the weekly build of the latest testing, i could try the daily.... |
| 18:20.46 | Heston | you could but i suspect you will have the same issue |
| 18:20.55 | azeem | Lou80: you probably need initrd generators which are newer than those in sarge |
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| 18:21.16 | Lou80 | yeah i think so |
| 18:21.43 | Lou80 | can you recommend one for me? |
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| 18:22.22 | Lou80 | or would it be better not to compile it with an initrd?? |
| 18:22.50 | Lou80 | then make it after if installed the new kernel? |
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| 18:23.27 | dazjorz | erm |
| 18:23.29 | PenguinOfDoom | Is it possible to get kernel-package to build a kernel outside the source tree? |
| 18:23.44 | dazjorz | I need typedefs.h and wlioctl.h, where do I get these? |
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| 18:24.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:24.29 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:25.15 | visba | Heston: for what it's worth, if i do install24 at the boot prompt it works |
| 18:25.22 | visba | so it's something with the 2.6 kernel |
| 18:26.06 | Heston | visba, well that seemed liked the logical assumption, which is why i asked if you tried other distro's with the same kernel that's giving you problem |
| 18:26.26 | Heston | s |
| 18:26.37 | dazjorz | erm |
| 18:26.43 | dazjorz | when compiling wpasupplicant |
| 18:26.50 | dazjorz | warning: typedefs.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:26.57 | dazjorz | warning: wlioctl.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:27.00 | dazjorz | is there a package for that? |
| 18:27.06 | dazjorz | apt-file doesn't work with my Debian CD-roms |
| 18:27.07 | dazjorz | DVD* |
| 18:27.18 | Heston | visba, but i dont claim to know much about the linux kernel |
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| 18:28.07 | visba | Heston: i've tried others, the weird things is it happens on a fresh install from the iso *or* with apt-get install kernel-image-blah |
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| 18:29.32 | miraterre | hi guys - I am trying to install itools on etch and get this error: dpkg: error processing sysv-rc-bootsplash (--configure): |
| 18:29.32 | miraterre | does it look like I need to remove bootsplash or could this be some other general error? |
| 18:29.35 | Heston | i dont see why that's weird if there's actually some sort of issue with your hardware configuration and the newest linux kernel |
| 18:29.48 | visba | Heston: so you think it's hardware? |
| 18:30.31 | Heston | visba, it's hard to tell. you could try swapping hardware pieces one by one if you can |
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| 18:31.10 | Heston | visba, which video card are you using? |
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| 18:31.39 | visba | Heston: old piece of junk, but should be find for text and ncurses based stuff, which is all i need |
| 18:32.06 | Heston | well you may want to try swaping that first for the hell of it |
| 18:32.12 | visba | will do |
| 18:32.32 | abrotman | visba: is it a laptop ? |
| 18:32.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: so did you write the mail? |
| 18:32.43 | abrotman | the mail ? |
| 18:32.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: i wasn't home last night |
| 18:32.55 | visba | abrotman: no, it's a tower |
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| 18:32.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: 362897@bugs.debian.org telling "yes it works for me fine" |
| 18:33.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you do /exec -o echo "yes it works for me fine" | mail 362897@bugs.debian.org right now? |
| 18:33.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you try the removing sound modules ? |
| 18:34.02 | abrotman | visba: what video card? |
| 18:34.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: crap i forgot, can you send the mail, that'll remind me to do that tomorrow at work |
| 18:34.39 | abrotman | uh .. no it won't :") |
| 18:34.47 | abrotman | visba: try turning off the fb modules |
| 18:35.48 | abrotman | liran_: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LPI_Linux_Certification/LPIC1_Exam_101/Use_Debian_package_management |
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| 18:35.56 | abrotman | oh wait .. that wasn't it |
| 18:35.58 | abrotman | liran_: ignore |
| 18:36.22 | lacostep1 | liran_: xev and the other program don't show anything. Nothing shown in syslog. Maybe the keyboard is broken and those keys don't work ? |
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| 18:37.44 | liran_ | abrotman: you dont have to tell me explicitly, im always ignoring you :) |
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| 18:38.21 | liran_ | lacostep1: it isn't "broken" its just isnt supported. maybe try changing keyboard mapping and check launchpad.net if there's a bug already for your laptop/keyboard |
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| 18:40.19 | lacostep1 | liran_: I've had unsupported keys before, where I could find information of unmapped key codes and fix them. These keys don't seem to send events. Would the issue be at a lower level ? e.g. Linux system driver |
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| 18:42.28 | liran_ | lacostep1: ofcourse, that could be also a problem. |
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| 18:45.13 | liran_ | lacostep1: i didnt notice if you said it was a laptop or isnt it. |
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| 18:45.59 | visba | abrotman: what is an "fb" module? |
| 18:46.02 | liran_ | lacostep1: try sudo showkey -u | tee -a hotkey-log.txt |
| 18:46.13 | liran_ | lacostep1: thats something off of ubuntus resources. |
| 18:46.14 | lacostep1 | liran_: not a laptop. Keyboard is a Logitech Deluxe Corded. I suspect a keyboard failure as this should be a supported keyboard. Special keys are even supported |
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| 18:46.52 | skidj | I can log into my debian box via ssh but when i turn on the monitor(plugged into the machine), ctrl+alt+F1 through F6 don't produce any video, my monitor just displays the no video signal screen. I havn't touched it, except via ssh, in days. Is there any way of restarting just the consoles? I don't want to reboot the whole machine. My grapical desktop is running though |
| 18:49.48 | lacostep1 | liran_: BTW I tried showkey before and the 4 aforementionned keys produce no events. I tried various reconfigurations of the kbd config, even going from azerty yo qwerty but nothing happened. |
| 18:50.26 | nvz | skidj: check your process list to see if getty is still running |
| 18:50.44 | jelly | lacostep1: stupid question, do they work at all (in other OSes)? |
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| 18:52.06 | fireba11 | any ideas what to do with a box that boots rather often and the bios clock is dead ? i added ntpdate to boot, but that fails if network is too slow ... and that sometimes happen .. any better ideas ? |
| 18:52.07 | lacostep1 | jelly: no other OSes |
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| 18:53.37 | skidj | nvz: it seems to be |
| 18:53.44 | Tallu | Anyone here happen to know if it's easy to set up debian on a lenovo 3000 c 100.. didn't find anything on linux-laptop |
| 18:53.44 | dazjorz | okay |
| 18:53.51 | dazjorz | I got my wireless working this far |
| 18:53.53 | dazjorz | it associates fine |
| 18:54.00 | dazjorz | but then the PSK fails |
| 18:54.13 | dazjorz | this is the output wpa_supplicant repeats all the time: |
| 18:54.14 | nvz | skidj: could the problem be video related? are you using a framebuffer? |
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| 18:54.31 | dazjorz | Trying to associate with 00:0e:8e:xx:xx:xx (SSID='DaZjorz' freq=0 MHz) |
| 18:54.37 | dazjorz | Associated with 00:0e:8e:xx:xx:xx |
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| 18:54.46 | dazjorz | WPA: 4-Way Handshake failed - pre-shared key may be incorrect |
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| 18:54.55 | dazjorz | CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect event - remove keys |
| 18:55.00 | dazjorz | and it repeats that about every second |
| 18:55.04 | dazjorz | does anbody have an idea? |
| 18:55.10 | demonbane | Anyone happen to know how to disable the clipboard management in Gnome 2.12 and later? It seems to be breaking my X clipboard when using a remote X server. |
| 18:55.17 | jelly | dazjorz: apart from the obvious one? |
| 18:55.28 | adrian15 | Is there any lilo expert round here ? |
| 18:55.35 | skidj | nvz: no, not using a frame buffer |
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| 18:55.45 | dazjorz | jelly: in case the obvious one is "use windows", "buy another wireless card" or "use google", yes |
| 18:56.03 | jelly | dazjorz: no, wrong psk. |
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| 18:56.27 | nvz | what seems obvious to me is to remove the keys like it says |
| 18:56.28 | dazjorz | jelly: it's correct, I've doublechecked it |
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| 18:56.42 | dazjorz | Hey! |
| 18:56.43 | dazjorz | :D |
| 18:57.04 | dazjorz | WPA: Key negotiation completed with 00:0e:8e:xx:xx:xx [PTK=TKIP GTK=TKIP] |
| 18:57.17 | dazjorz | CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 00:0e:8e:xx:xx:xx completed (auth) |
| 18:57.20 | dazjorz | I changed nothing =\ |
| 18:57.23 | dazjorz | it just did that |
| 18:57.27 | nvz | stop pasting in the channel now |
| 18:57.35 | nvz | theres something you can change |
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| 18:58.12 | Aid` | does anyone here have problems installing kernels from kernel.org for Debian Sarge? |
| 18:58.15 | tws | Question: How can i run something with a different user? Like, i want to make a startscript in init.d for something that is not run as root? |
| 18:58.32 | sid | !tell Aid` about anyone |
| 18:58.33 | nvz | Aid`: no, but I get this feeling that you do. |
| 18:58.44 | skidj | nvz: cheers anyway |
| 18:58.55 | nvz | tws: su, sudo |
| 18:59.01 | dazjorz | nvz: I didn't paste, and I didn't change anything, what is there to change? |
| 18:59.21 | Aid` | nvz: very correct :) |
| 18:59.23 | tws | nvz: Won't su -c start a new (then unused) shell? |
| 18:59.34 | nvz | you put like 6 lines of your logs in here already |
| 18:59.59 | nvz | tws: how else to you propse to do it? |
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| 19:00.34 | tws | Shouldn't it be run in background without a shell? |
| 19:00.40 | miraterre | does anyone know what would cause my /etc/init.d/rcS.rej file to not exist? |
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| 19:01.24 | nvz | miraterre: you tell me why you should have a file like that and I can tell you why you dont :P |
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| 19:01.36 | miraterre | :) |
| 19:01.39 | nvz | I dont have it and it doesnt surprise me one bit |
| 19:01.47 | miraterre | trying to purge bootsplash |
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| 19:02.12 | miraterre | and it fails, saving a log(?) in that file |
| 19:02.25 | miraterre | Testing if patches apply cleanly... |
| 19:02.25 | miraterre | 5 out of 5 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file /etc/init.d/rcS.rej |
| 19:02.31 | dazjorz | finally, it works |
| 19:02.36 | dazjorz | nvz: that's not of my logs |
| 19:02.40 | dazjorz | nvz: and i typed them over |
| 19:02.47 | dazjorz | nvz: you really think i could type in irc when internet isn't working?.. |
| 19:02.54 | nvz | tws: see -s or -m *shrug* |
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| 19:03.14 | miraterre | I'm trying to remove bootsplash because the itools install fails - giving the same rcS.rej file issue |
| 19:03.37 | nvz | dazjorz: the point is we dont need to see that crap. if someone is working an issue with you, you could goto #flood or use a pastebin for that kind of data |
| 19:03.38 | dazjorz | nvz: i had absolutely no connection to the outside world from my laptop, i could only use my USB stick to transfer files |
| 19:04.04 | dazjorz | nvz: nobody was helping me and I had no idea what information was important and what wasn't, so I typed it all, sorry if you saw that as flood |
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| 19:04.38 | k31th | yo |
| 19:04.47 | k31th | evening all |
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| 19:05.25 | nvz | we don't charge by the character, you can feel free to use complete words and sentances |
| 19:06.21 | dazjorz | nvz: was that to me? |
| 19:06.56 | dazjorz | nvz: hell, i'm not charging anything for writing my name in front of your text so I can say it was meant for me. and what didn't I complete? |
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| 19:07.28 | demonbane | Anyone here familiar with using remote xservers for X connections? (Particularly clipboard handling.) |
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| 19:08.54 | eldowan | foo |
| 19:09.06 | nvz | bar |
| 19:09.11 | dazjorz | mumble |
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| 19:13.19 | dazjorz | YES, YES, YES, ETCH, ENTER MY LAPTOP :D |
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| 19:13.36 | stew | zamuro: please turn that off in here |
| 19:13.52 | ugly | ifconfig reports that my current RX bytes count is "2084300082 (1.9 GiB)" - how is it converting 2084300082 to 1.9gbs? dividing by 1024 still puts it in the 2GB mark |
| 19:14.03 | ugly | (writing a script, so I want good numbers) |
| 19:14.32 | k31th | Guys wat method do you use to make users mail dirs? |
| 19:14.36 | k31th | maildir |
| 19:15.03 | stew | ugly: 2084300082 / (1024*1024*1024) =~ 1.9 |
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| 19:15.34 | ugly | ahh |
| 19:15.39 | stew | dpkg 2084300082 / (1024*1024*1024) |
| 19:15.39 | dpkg | 1.941155718639 |
| 19:15.47 | ugly | that would be a less accurate conversion though? |
| 19:16.00 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:16.12 | stew | ugly: less acurrate than what? |
| 19:16.21 | ugly | 2084300082/1024 |
| 19:16.38 | ugly | to convert from bits to bytes |
| 19:17.10 | ugly | er, not convert from bits to bytes, but to fix the rounding issue |
| 19:17.26 | stew | ugly: that would convert bytes to kibibytes correctly, then divide by 1024 again to convert kibibytes to mebibytes, then divide by 1024 a third time to convert mebibytes to gibibytes |
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| 19:17.59 | ugly | ahhh |
| 19:18.01 | ugly | now I get it |
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| 19:18.54 | dazjorz | You guys don't have a megahal bot in here, do you? |
| 19:19.13 | fluxdude_home | when I do "mount -t smbfs //machine/share /mnt/directory -o username=myuser,password=mypassword" I get the error "password too long" |
| 19:19.14 | fluxdude_home | but if I do the same but omit the password= bit and then type the same password when prompted it works fine |
| 19:19.31 | fluxdude_home | does anybody know anything about this or how to make it accept password=mypass on the command line instead of having it prompt? |
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| 19:20.55 | adrian15 | fluxdude_home: maybe with a variable in an script or editing smbmount source code :) |
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| 19:21.03 | pack | anyone know of any resources for doing your own work on big expensive printers? I have this ricoh without a service contract, and want to upgrade memory put in a hd, but i feel like you can' t just drop them in. |
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| 19:22.02 | tarzeau | pack: which ricoh exactly? |
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| 19:22.08 | tarzeau | pack: how big? how expensive? |
| 19:22.23 | pack | eh it's a 7200D and it was like 3 grand |
| 19:22.40 | pack | but it fell of a truck (i kid0 |
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| 19:23.15 | pack | actually my companies to cheap to buy a service contract, and finding out how to add your own shit to a printer is not easy to do |
| 19:23.16 | tarzeau | pack: just open it at the right place, put the stuff in, close it and see |
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| 19:23.28 | jetx | update-grub can suck my ass... what ever happened to not overwriting custom conf files? |
| 19:23.29 | adrian15 | fluxdude_home: But there's something esier I think. you do the mount command which prompts you the password... let's say it is THECOMMAND. So you to type something as. echo "mypassword" | THECOMMAND |
| 19:23.35 | jetx | and it doesn't even seem to save a fuckin backup |
| 19:23.38 | tarzeau | pack: it's just a memory upgrade and a hd you want to insert, can it be that hard to find out? |
| 19:23.44 | tarzeau | pack: what country? |
| 19:23.48 | adrian15 | fluxdude_home: can you try it ? |
| 19:23.57 | tarzeau | jetx: update-grub sucks, yes, sid? which version? |
| 19:24.03 | jetx | yes sid |
| 19:24.07 | tarzeau | jetx: HEY, i have this problem too, with sarge |
| 19:24.16 | adrian15 | jetx: :) |
| 19:24.18 | jetx | it's been a problem iirc |
| 19:24.20 | tarzeau | jetx: it overwrites my grub config files where i put "lock" into |
| 19:24.22 | poonj | hey guys, if I buy a SSL certificate, I could use that one certificate for multiple services on the computer, such as HTTPS, IMAPS, SMTPS? |
| 19:24.27 | tarzeau | jetx: yes, and nobody's fixed it |
| 19:24.40 | jetx | of course i didnt' file a bug |
| 19:24.44 | tarzeau | jetx: what about you do it? i'll send you a bar of swiss chocolate |
| 19:24.58 | tarzeau | jetx: there was one, specifically for the "lock" entries, but it didn't really get solved |
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| 19:25.10 | tarzeau | jetx: the maintainer of grub would be glad for patches/work on update-grub |
| 19:25.13 | jetx | chmod -x update-grub |
| 19:25.21 | tarzeau | jetx: maybe even a whole rewrite of it, since the original update-grub guy |
| 19:25.28 | sid | poonj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_key_certificate |
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| 19:25.39 | tarzeau | jetx: wrote it was surprised it grew from like 70 or so lines to like 700 or so |
| 19:25.46 | adrian15 | jetx: what do you use update-grub for ? For updating grub config files when installing a new kernel ? |
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| 19:26.57 | jetx | i don't use it at all... but it snuck it's self in on this fresh install... and messed my custom_that_i_don't_know_exactly_how_it_was menu.lst |
| 19:27.12 | jetx | i can tell because fb isn't loading |
| 19:27.23 | jetx | :) the blank screen gave me my first clue |
| 19:27.25 | tarzeau | jetx: guess what? |
| 19:27.28 | jetx | ? |
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| 19:27.34 | tarzeau | jetx: grub2 has also got the same update-grub |
| 19:27.49 | jetx | !kill update-grub |
| 19:28.06 | tarzeau | jetx: maybe we can run a bounty on a new fresh update-grub ? |
| 19:28.10 | tarzeau | jetx: what would you send for one? |
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| 19:28.46 | tarzeau | it doesn't know about any BSD partitions either |
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| 19:29.33 | jetx | i like chmod -x update-grub myself |
| 19:29.41 | jetx | ah i remember now |
| 19:29.45 | jetx | postinst hooks |
| 19:29.57 | jetx | /etc/kernel-pkg.conf i think |
| 19:29.59 | tarzeau | jetx: in /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 19:30.04 | jetx | one of those |
| 19:30.09 | tarzeau | but they don't accept command;command do they? |
| 19:30.14 | abrotman | visba: figure it out ? |
| 19:30.27 | jetx | not sure |
| 19:30.32 | jetx | don't use grub much |
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| 19:30.36 | tarzeau | jetx: when i tried with sarge, it didn't |
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| 19:30.39 | jetx | mostly lilo |
| 19:30.53 | tarzeau | i need this one too: chmod a-x /usr/bin/gnome-cups-* |
| 19:30.59 | tarzeau | jetx: still? |
| 19:31.13 | tarzeau | lilo can't start GNU/Hurd |
| 19:31.14 | adrian15 | jetx: why don't you use the configfile command and that's all ? |
| 19:31.36 | jetx | the which? |
| 19:31.37 | adrian15 | jetx: you create the myownmenu.lst file at /boot/grub/ |
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| 19:31.51 | jetx | ah |
| 19:31.51 | adrian15 | jetx: with your menu |
| 19:31.55 | jetx | use the other |
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| 19:32.21 | digits | i do i get postfix to answer? i'm trying to telnet localhost smtp, but i don't even get a response, is debian blocking by default (if so where)? i'm not used to debian... |
| 19:32.21 | jetx | s/the\ other/another/ |
| 19:32.35 | adrian15 | jetx: And then you can copy a menu.lst that overwrites the menu.lst or grub.conf that update-grub creates with one that loads... (with the configfile command) your own menu.lst. |
| 19:32.37 | ttyS1_ | if I have three interfaces, two internal that need to connect to each other and one public what should be the gateway for both internal interfaces ? |
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| 19:32.58 | jetx | that's a thought... of course deleting update-grub would do this also |
| 19:33.01 | pack | tarzeau: yeah you can find all the parts online. i just wonder if you need to flash firmware or anything. |
| 19:33.15 | digits | how do i* |
| 19:33.35 | adrian15 | jetx: I would delete it and then put a link named update-grub to point to the true command. |
| 19:34.05 | jetx | yeah echo fuck_update-grub in a script :) |
| 19:34.29 | jetx | or whatever... |
| 19:34.47 | jetx | good ideas !! |
| 19:34.59 | adrian15 | jetx: That's the idea. You know I work on grub. |
| 19:35.20 | jetx | heh... no i didnt' |
| 19:35.24 | adrian15 | jetx: But I do not work as an official developer and I am not interested at all in the update-grub script. |
| 19:35.29 | jetx | ah |
| 19:36.02 | adrian15 | jetx: I have a project name Super Grub Disk... http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/ for helping people recovering his grub after a windows installation. |
| 19:36.33 | adrian15 | jetx: SGD works not as a live cd but as a grub cd so that I do not need to mess up with update-grub commands and so on. |
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| 19:37.53 | ofer0 | In etch you don't have base-config, so what do you use if that's what you want to do ? |
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| 19:38.17 | abrotman | ofer0: to do what? |
| 19:38.31 | ofer0 | abrotman, set the time, set the APT mirrors, create users, etc.. |
| 19:38.39 | abrotman | tzconfig ... vi .. adduser |
| 19:38.47 | ofer0 | tzconfig ? |
| 19:38.49 | ofer0 | oh |
| 19:38.50 | ofer0 | time zone |
| 19:38.56 | abrotman | ofer0: i think there's talk of getting apt-setup put back in |
| 19:38.58 | nvz | apt-setup |
| 19:39.09 | cydork | nvz, apt-setup is not in etch |
| 19:39.23 | nvz | cydork: oh well |
| 19:39.30 | ofer0 | abrotman, yeah, I think it will be a good idea |
| 19:39.42 | abrotman | ofer0: most agree :) |
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| 19:40.03 | cydork | abrotman, maybe i should start with apt-setup ;) |
| 19:40.27 | ofer0 | So why did they removed it in the first place ? |
| 19:40.30 | abrotman | cydork: i believe jelly was talking about that earlier |
| 19:41.15 | cydork | abrotman, Man it's hard to find a package which is not in debian :P |
| 19:41.19 | ofer0 | I mean, what was the idea ? |
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| 19:42.24 | abrotman | cydork: skipstone is one |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | cydork: happypenguin.org is an easy place to find stuff |
| 19:42.40 | cydork | jelly, ping |
| 19:43.38 | cydork | abrotman, checking out skipstone |
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| 19:45.43 | jetx | i learned about how-to grub boot-floppies the hard way |
| 19:45.47 | jetx | need |
| 19:45.52 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 19:45.52 | dpkg | it has been said that grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
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| 19:45.59 | jetx | i have one |
| 19:46.10 | jetx | it's the use of that i meant |
| 19:46.23 | murokki | how can i find out what applications are launched when i boot and how can i manage them? |
| 19:46.34 | abrotman | the init system! |
| 19:46.34 | jetx | ls /etc/init.d sometimes |
| 19:46.42 | jetx | !sysv-init |
| 19:46.45 | jetx | or something |
| 19:46.49 | nvz | murokki: man update-rc.d |
| 19:46.50 | jharrisonwk | is ruby on rails in debian? |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | you mean /etc/rc2.d/ and /etc/rcS.d/ and its friends |
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| 19:46.54 | jetx | yes |
| 19:47.04 | cydork | jharrisonwk, yep |
| 19:47.05 | jetx | yes to ruby |
| 19:47.07 | sid | murokki: apt-get install rcconf; rcconf; |
| 19:47.11 | sid | murokki: type that and you're set. |
| 19:47.13 | abrotman | since something can be in init.d and not be started |
| 19:47.13 | nvz | abrotman: which contains links to where? |
| 19:47.25 | abrotman | nvz: yes .. but just because something resides in init.d does not mean it gets started |
| 19:47.31 | jharrisonwk | whats the package name? |
| 19:47.45 | nvz | abrotman: just because something is in those dirs doesnt mean they get started either ;) |
| 19:47.49 | cydork | !tell jharrisonwk about search |
| 19:47.59 | jetx | on my box, just because something is in rc.2 or initrd doesn't mean it gets started in runlevel 2 :o |
| 19:48.03 | abrotman | nvz: but it's a far better idea ... |
| 19:48.04 | ofer0 | update-rc.d |
| 19:48.07 | murokki | hmm |
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| 19:48.08 | jetx | err /etc/init.d |
| 19:48.11 | abrotman | jetx: your box doesn't even start! |
| 19:48.14 | jetx | heh |
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| 19:48.35 | jharrisonwk | cydork: have you tried aptitude search ruby on rails? |
| 19:48.49 | jharrisonwk | cydork: let me know how you like looking through that rather large list |
| 19:49.18 | cydork | !info ruby |
| 19:49.24 | azeem | apt-cache search ruby on rails returns a pretty small list |
| 19:49.27 | jetx | there is no initrd |
| 19:49.28 | azeem | ITYM rails |
| 19:49.31 | cydork | !info ruby etch |
| 19:49.35 | jetx | try apt-cache search ruby |
| 19:49.41 | cydork | :( |
| 19:49.44 | jetx | then grep somelthing |
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| 19:49.54 | jetx | !find ruby |
| 19:49.57 | azeem | !hi |
| 19:49.57 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 19:50.02 | jharrisonwk | azeem: yes true |
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| 19:50.09 | jharrisonwk | azeem: guess im too use to aptitude |
| 19:50.15 | jetx | not as big as perl or python |
| 19:50.17 | murokki | what are the possible reasons if ssh says connection refused, sshd should be running.. |
| 19:50.42 | jetx | /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run exists? |
| 19:50.43 | cydork | murokki, firewall?? |
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| 19:50.46 | nvz | murokki: connection refused means there is nothing listening on that port either because its blocked, or nothing is running |
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| 19:51.10 | murokki | hmm |
| 19:51.15 | ofer0 | murokki, nmap it |
| 19:51.22 | jetx | [14.49.58] <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:51.22 | jetx | [14.49.59] <dpkg> failed. |
| 19:51.26 | ofer0 | nmap -sS -p 22 <<IP>> |
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| 19:51.54 | abrotman | ooh .. he's l33t :) |
| 19:52.08 | cydork | abrotman, :) |
| 19:52.10 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: its 1337 |
| 19:52.17 | Stonebreaker | Hello. I have two machines. One with ubuntu but not internet connection, and one with internet connection but with winXP. I want to install gcc and g++ in the ubuntu machine? How will I do that? |
| 19:52.17 | asg | abrotman: for using nmap instead of telnet <foo> 22? |
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| 19:52.29 | murokki | ofer0: i tried to nmap but it tells it is closed.. |
| 19:52.30 | Tallu | Stonebreaker: by going to #ubuntu :) |
| 19:52.38 | murokki | which i find weird |
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| 19:52.48 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: or 01101100 01100101 01100101 01110100 |
| 19:52.54 | murokki | because that guy can run http and ftp server without problem |
| 19:52.56 | ofer0 | Well guys, telnet won't tell you if the port is filtered and what it's running. BTW -> TELNET SUCKS! USE NETCAT ! |
| 19:52.59 | dos000 | anyone: i am going crazy here .. my apache2 setup on a sarge box just stoped recognizing php files. this was working just a few days ago for a long time. i checked all configs evrything seems fine ! |
| 19:53.00 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: or 6c 65 65 74 |
| 19:53.01 | Stonebreaker | But I need help with apt-zip-list wich is a debian-based command. |
| 19:53.01 | murokki | so i don't think it's fw problem |
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| 19:53.18 | jetx | !uben00btwo |
| 19:53.27 | asg | ofer0: you could also be getting the shaft from tcpwrappers |
| 19:53.53 | jharrisonwk | murokki: a closed port in nmap refers to the port being open but nothing responding on that port |
| 19:53.59 | cydork | Stonebreaker, it's in ubuntu too. and you are using ubuntu :P |
| 19:54.04 | nvz | I don't like the idea of "getting the shaft" with or without the wrapper :P |
| 19:54.09 | jharrisonwk | murokki: maybe you knew that already |
| 19:54.14 | ofer0 | murokki, are you sure that sshd is running? "netstat -lntp | grep :22" on that computer will help. |
| 19:54.17 | asg | nvz: safe probing |
| 19:54.34 | Stonebreaker | cydork, they don't answer me in #ubuntu, so I ask help here. can you help me please? |
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| 19:54.41 | asg | !they don't know |
| 19:54.42 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 19:55.11 | cydork | Stonebreaker, forget ubuntu and install debian, then i will help you :) |
| 19:55.16 | ofer0 | I just don't like Seveas, that's why I don't use ubuntu. |
| 19:55.44 | murokki | ofer0: tcp6 0 0 :::50 :::* LISTEN 25846/sshd |
| 19:55.45 | jharrisonwk | righteo |
| 19:55.52 | Stonebreaker | cydork, I would appreciate it if you could just help me. Everything else is useless. |
| 19:56.01 | noseman | how i can make a normal user to read auto-mounted partitions??? (sarge r2) |
| 19:56.07 | murokki | is there any alternative to ssh? |
| 19:56.08 | jharrisonwk | Stonebreaker: you are cruising |
| 19:56.09 | nvz | asg: some ports arent meant to be probed |
| 19:56.14 | jharrisonwk | murokki: ssh2? |
| 19:56.28 | jharrisonwk | all ports are meant to be probed |
| 19:56.33 | asg | nvz: 31337 |
| 19:56.35 | nvz | o.O |
| 19:56.45 | murokki | hm |
| 19:56.47 | Tallu | !tell Stonebreaker about based-on-debian |
| 19:57.09 | asg | nvz: Back Orifice |
| 19:57.11 | jharrisonwk | if you dont want a port probed disconnect your internet or use a firewall to block everything |
| 19:57.25 | ofer0 | murokki, I don't understand the log you just gave me. Sorry. |
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| 19:57.43 | murokki | ofer0: humm, it's listening on port 50? |
| 19:57.53 | ofer0 | murokki, Why would SSHD do that ? |
| 19:57.54 | jharrisonwk | murokki: and tcp6? |
| 19:58.04 | jharrisonwk | murokki: whats your sshd_config say? |
| 19:58.06 | abrotman | asg: btw .. dan2 was looking for you earlier! .. in case you didn't notice :) |
| 19:58.09 | ofer0 | murokki, Don't play with sshd_config unless you know what you are doing. |
| 19:58.14 | jharrisonwk | murokki: cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep Port |
| 19:58.17 | murokki | ofer0: because i changed it to 50 |
| 19:58.24 | asg | abrotman: I noticed. I was busy and didn't feel like hearing about his investments |
| 19:58.24 | nvz | asg: I think jharrisonwk might be into probing the Back Orifice. |
| 19:58.27 | dos000 | is there a definitive package that will get rid of the installed apache2 and php4 ? |
| 19:58.34 | ofer0 | You use IPv6 ? |
| 19:58.37 | jharrisonwk | ofer0: a read only command is hardly harmful |
| 19:58.39 | asg | nvz: didn't know they had BO in Bermuda |
| 19:58.47 | nvz | heh |
| 19:58.52 | murokki | ofer0: not that i know |
| 19:58.52 | jharrisonwk | ofer0: looking is different then changing |
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| 19:59.07 | abrotman | asg: hehe .. |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | asg: bahamas |
| 19:59.22 | jharrisonwk | bahamas? |
| 19:59.30 | noseman | anyone?? |
| 19:59.31 | ofer0 | jharrisonwk, "Hey! Look, but don't touch!". I said "don't play", not "don't look". |
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| 20:00.15 | sid | noseman: You didn't tell us what file system it is. |
| 20:00.19 | jharrisonwk | nvz: yo mama |
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| 20:01.04 | noseman | sid: ntfs, my music is in there |
| 20:01.35 | swamptoo | Q: I just installed ndiswrapper and installed the driver...what do i do next? |
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| 20:01.43 | sid | !tell noseman about read-ntfs |
| 20:01.52 | asg | swamptoo: man 5 interfaces ; man 7 wireless |
| 20:01.53 | sid | !tell swamptoo about ndiswrapper |
| 20:02.02 | sid | swamptoo: You type /join #ndiswrapper |
| 20:02.02 | cydork | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 20:02.02 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 20:02.07 | _rynz- | http://intermaweb.net/index.php/2005/10/29/world-record-4-peristaltic-action/ |
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| 20:02.42 | nvz | jharrisonwk: my mama, and your mama, were talkin' a little shit.. my mama called your mama a bulldaggin ass bitch... |
| 20:03.03 | nvz | 2 live crew - Dirty Nursery Rhymes |
| 20:03.08 | jharrisonwk | nvz: whats bulldaggin? |
| 20:03.18 | nvz | ask the 2 live crew |
| 20:03.31 | jharrisonwk | tru dat |
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| 20:04.04 | Cybodog | Hey jharrisonwk |
| 20:04.11 | jharrisonwk | Cybodog: howdy |
| 20:04.21 | jharrisonwk | Cybodog: what are you doing in these parts? |
| 20:04.27 | jharrisonwk | Cybodog: or do you come here offen? |
| 20:04.28 | Cybodog | hanging |
| 20:04.35 | murokki | how can i connect with ssh2? |
| 20:04.47 | Cybodog | jharrisonwk, not so often |
| 20:04.56 | asg | murokki: read the manpage. Look for the bit about specifying a nonstandard port |
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| 20:05.19 | jharrisonwk | murokki: like I said cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep Port |
| 20:05.27 | jharrisonwk | Cybodog: hows life? |
| 20:05.32 | murokki | jharrisonwk: i already told i changed it to 50 |
| 20:05.37 | abrotman | !find murokki |
| 20:05.39 | jharrisonwk | murokki: ah ok |
| 20:05.55 | Cybodog | Took a curve ball, but doing well, pm me and I will fill you in, if you wish |
| 20:05.55 | abrotman | did anyone tell don |
| 20:05.58 | murokki | lsh ip is not sufficient? |
| 20:06.02 | abrotman | _rynz-: will you please stop that |
| 20:06.12 | jharrisonwk | murokki: are you using tcp6? |
| 20:06.16 | cydork | murokki, then read man page like asg said. |
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| 20:06.19 | asg | murokki: ssh -p 50 <machine> |
| 20:06.29 | Cybodog | How is island life jharrisonwk |
| 20:06.39 | jharrisonwk | Cybodog: sunny as usual |
| 20:06.53 | murokki | jharrisonwk: i don't think so |
| 20:06.57 | asg | Cybodog: constantly fending off encroaching ocean and brazillian waxes I would guess. |
| 20:07.04 | murokki | asg: doh i tride it |
| 20:07.06 | murokki | tried |
| 20:07.11 | murokki | it says connection refused |
| 20:07.19 | asg | murokki: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:07.34 | murokki | oh no that sounds like lot of work |
| 20:07.52 | jharrisonwk | murokki: you have nmap? |
| 20:08.00 | asg | murokki: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" (is not a lot of work) |
| 20:08.00 | murokki | sure |
| 20:08.04 | signuts | How does one switch their MTA to qmail :) |
| 20:08.14 | signuts | I get nothing but complaints |
| 20:08.15 | jharrisonwk | murokki: does nmap say the port is open? |
| 20:08.17 | asg | signuts: install the qmail-src package from non-free |
| 20:08.21 | murokki | jharrisonwk: nope |
| 20:08.30 | murokki | but on the server it says |
| 20:08.36 | signuts | asg, I tried, it says something is already providing virtual-mta |
| 20:08.40 | signuts | and why is qmail in non-free |
| 20:08.46 | signuts | that's crazy talk] |
| 20:09.04 | asg | signuts: the license forbids distributing modified binaries. Debian would be doing so, therefore it's non-free. |
| 20:09.06 | jharrisonwk | murokki: so if you do nmap -sS -vv -P0 yourserverip -p 50 it says closed? |
| 20:09.17 | nvz | DFSG definition |
| 20:09.23 | murokki | jharrisonwk: on localhost it says it is open, remote closed |
| 20:09.31 | murokki | i mean on serverside it is open |
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| 20:10.15 | jharrisonwk | murokki: no firewall right? |
| 20:10.25 | signuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.25 | signuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.34 | signuts | but I can't get rid of nbsmtp! |
| 20:10.34 | murokki | asg: i tried that, didn't work |
| 20:10.42 | signuts | I already had exim on my system |
| 20:10.47 | murokki | jharrisonwk: shouldn't be firewall, ftp and http server are running |
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| 20:11.06 | jharrisonwk | murokki: if you set the port back to 22 does it work then? |
| 20:11.08 | asg | signuts: downloading the src package shouldn't have any conflicts |
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| 20:11.44 | signuts | asg, I did download the src packge, then ran build-qmail , I have a qmail *.deb file. But doing dpkg -i qmail-*.deb complains about the MTA that's installed |
| 20:11.47 | murokki | jharrisonwk: nope, why would it? |
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| 20:12.02 | murokki | i have tried different ports |
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| 20:12.39 | jharrisonwk | murokki: dont know |
| 20:12.52 | jharrisonwk | murokki: but there should not be any reason why it wont work |
| 20:12.57 | asg | signuts: check the README.Debian file in /usr/share/doc/qmail-src. It should tell you what you need to do to remove the previous mta and install qmail. |
| 20:13.07 | signuts | asg, I think I got it, I force installed qmail and then removed nbsmtp |
| 20:13.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to be failing to update the files for when you do !find <blah> |
| 20:13.20 | signuts | asg, thx anyways |
| 20:13.34 | asg | signuts: you're welcome |
| 20:13.50 | murokki | i know this is weird |
| 20:14.14 | murokki | and ssh2 seems odd |
| 20:14.29 | asg | murokki: are you using a non-debian version of ssh? |
| 20:14.47 | murokki | apt-get install ssh |
| 20:14.51 | murokki | so i guess it's debian |
| 20:15.16 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 20:15.27 | murokki | etch |
| 20:15.35 | asg | murokki: when you did the 'debug sshd' factoid, was anything odd printed? Also, is there a host firewall running? A network firewall between the client and server? |
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| 20:16.44 | murokki | not as i know |
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| 20:16.52 | murokki | i mean nothing was printed afaik |
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| 20:17.06 | murokki | and there shouldn't be any firewalls |
| 20:17.10 | wsjunior | i get this trying to install google earth here: Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed |
| 20:17.15 | wsjunior | what could be happening? |
| 20:17.24 | abrotman | murokki: i think it's openssh-server now |
| 20:17.53 | Cybodog | abortman that is right iirc, I just installed it two weeks ago |
| 20:17.54 | asg | murokki: quite a bit should have been printed when you ran the command in a console or xterm. More should have been printed once you connected with a client. |
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| 20:18.42 | murokki | asg: yes it printed something when it started but nothing after that afaik |
| 20:18.50 | wsjunior | i can see the installation window but just have odd chars and i cant understand nothing... |
| 20:19.48 | wsjunior | i get this trying to install google earth here: Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed. what do i have to install do fix this? |
| 20:20.05 | cydork | !tell wsjunior about repeat |
| 20:20.06 | asg | murokki: well, after the 'Server listening on ...' part, you should have at the very least seen (debug1: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. |
| 20:20.15 | asg | murokki: when connecting with a client |
| 20:20.37 | murokki | hm |
| 20:20.39 | asg | murokki: if you didn't, the client never connected to that port on that server |
| 20:20.54 | wsjunior | !tell cydork about help |
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| 20:21.49 | noseman | sid: thanks |
| 20:22.09 | murokki | hum |
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| 20:24.15 | swamptoo | Q: I just installed ndiswrapper and installed the driver...what do i do next? |
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| 20:27.26 | dev52 | Hi. Is there (or was there) a feature with alsa where the mixer settings were saved on logout or shutdown and restored when booting or logging in |
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| 20:27.54 | cydork | dev52, alsactl store |
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| 20:28.15 | dev52 | ahh, that doesn't happen automatically? |
| 20:28.32 | dev52 | hmm, maybe it's better for me that way |
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| 20:29.35 | dos000 | anyone: no matter what I do apache refuses to parse this index.php - instead it just telling the browser to download it. i also have another index.php with the phpinfo and i am getting the php file parsed |
| 20:30.00 | dos000 | i have no idea what the $#%@$# is going on ! |
| 20:30.07 | murokki | hmm |
| 20:30.17 | Vasistha | dos000: have you installed the apache-php module? |
| 20:30.19 | dos000 | worst this used to work couple days ago .. |
| 20:30.22 | asg | dos000: did you purge your browser cache |
| 20:30.27 | murokki | does anyone know what ftp and http server are installed by default in debian (if chosen in installation) |
| 20:31.12 | dos000 | Vasistha, i rechecked evrything .. as i said i have an ites.php file with phpinfo in it and it gets fine ! |
| 20:31.14 | dos000 | asg, no one can use the app .. from anywhere |
| 20:31.20 | dev52 | dos000: apache doesn't parse php. a php interp does |
| 20:31.38 | Vasistha | dos000: ...you are going to a link within http://localhost/ right? file:// links won't work. |
| 20:31.40 | asg | dos000: did you restart apache after installing libapache-mod-php4 |
| 20:31.44 | dos000 | dev52, yep .. and that works because i can load the phpinfo ! |
| 20:32.10 | dev52 | (so what does that tell you?) |
| 20:32.14 | dos000 | asg, i restared with force-reload evry time i changed something |
| 20:32.32 | asg | dos000: okay, just covering some basic PEBCAK. No worries. |
| 20:33.05 | cydork | asg, hehehe :) |
| 20:33.12 | ale00 | dos000: the DirectoryIndex directive in config file contains index.php |
| 20:33.12 | dev52 | probably force-reload will do the job... but if you want to really be sure, stop and start (in two separate operations) |
| 20:33.16 | dev52 | having said that... |
| 20:33.26 | dos000 | dev52, that ... it refuses to load this index.php file. i verified its not direcotory settings because my test phpinfo is in the same directory |
| 20:33.32 | dev52 | probably that rules out failing to restart as a problem |
| 20:34.04 | dev52 | are you saying it parses some php but not others? |
| 20:34.10 | dos000 | dev52, funny thing is this was working fine for a long time ! |
| 20:34.31 | dos000 | dev52, what you mean ? |
| 20:34.33 | dev52 | ahh, in that case history is going to be helpful |
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| 20:34.49 | morex | Hey all sorry idiot noob question to follow... |
| 20:34.55 | abrotman | no |
| 20:35.01 | dos000 | dev52, no one changed anything ... |
| 20:35.50 | morex | I'm trying to install the debian openh323 packages |
| 20:35.52 | morex | which according to packages.debian.org are in the libs component of stable |
| 20:35.53 | dev52 | someone or something changed something (evidence: it used to work) |
| 20:35.56 | abrotman | morex: it makes it easier on us if you type the whole question on one line :) |
| 20:36.07 | morex | But I can't figure out how to access these from sources.list |
| 20:36.08 | azeem | morex: you're not running stable? |
| 20:36.08 | Vasistha | dos000: although you never answered my pebkac question about http:// vs. file:// |
| 20:36.08 | morex | Actually we're running testing |
| 20:36.08 | dos000 | dev52, yeah ... freaking ghosts |
| 20:36.15 | azeem | morex: it's the libs section, not component, btw |
| 20:36.26 | azeem | morex: no openh323 in testing? |
| 20:36.29 | morex | Azeem: What would I need in sources.list to get it? |
| 20:36.34 | abrotman | morex: apt-cache search openh323 .. you should see it |
| 20:36.39 | dev52 | dos000: but don't worry, I'm not trying to apply pressure... I'm just trying to rule out pieces of the problem |
| 20:36.52 | dos000 | Vasistha, i am using http://<localipaddress> from day one |
| 20:36.53 | abrotman | the version number changed from 1.15 to 1.18 or something |
| 20:36.53 | morex | Yes it's there, why can't I get it? |
| 20:37.04 | abrotman | morex: apt-get install libopenh323-1.18.0 |
| 20:37.04 | Vasistha | dos000: thanks, just checking ;-) |
| 20:37.07 | murokki | does anyone know what ftp and http server are installed by default in debian (if chosen in installation) |
| 20:37.09 | dos000 | dev52, i really apreciate the help also ! |
| 20:37.21 | azeem | morex: what command did you try? |
| 20:37.21 | dev52 | dos000: so you didn't run apt-get at all around the time the problem began? |
| 20:37.31 | morex | Doh I needed the full package name |
| 20:37.43 | morex | I'd just been doing apt-get install libopenh323 |
| 20:37.51 | morex | Sorry for troubling you all... |
| 20:38.05 | abrotman | morex: apt-cache search openh323 .. that will show you the package oyu need to install |
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| 20:38.16 | dev52 | which is probably a good package name... but if you want to -build- against that lib, you want also the -dev part |
| 20:38.17 | morex | I'll remember apt-cache - thanks! |
| 20:38.37 | dos000 | dev52, no .. i just did the apt-get update after this problem started to apear. i removed, purged apache2-common reinstalled evrything to get the phpinfo apear ... |
| 20:39.02 | dev52 | let's look at this phpinfo thing more closely |
| 20:39.11 | dos000 | dev52, as soone as i access the same file it gives the download option of the php file instead of parsing it |
| 20:39.11 | dev52 | are you saying that script does work? |
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| 20:39.34 | dev52 | ok, so maybe it's not activated in the config |
| 20:39.35 | azeem | dos000: sounds like a server-side problem |
| 20:39.46 | dev52 | yeah, definitely server side |
| 20:39.54 | |ryan| | anyone know how to adjust a mac monitor that doesn't have front panel controls? |
| 20:40.07 | dev52 | hammer? |
| 20:40.08 | |ryan| | this darn thing is pincushoned |
| 20:40.24 | |ryan| | dev52: I'd like it to continue functioning |
| 20:40.34 | dev52 | rubber hammer? |
| 20:40.42 | dos000 | azeem, serverside ?? like in modules setup ?? |
| 20:40.48 | dev52 | umm, I dunno :) |
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| 20:41.09 | murokki | does ps aux show every possible program running? |
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| 20:41.21 | dev52 | dos000: yeah, maybe it's not pulling in the php interp module |
| 20:41.28 | abrotman | under normal circumstances .. yes |
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| 20:41.41 | ale00 | dos000: have you checked DirectoryIndex directive |
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| 20:41.46 | dos000 | dev52, see if it was even a parsing error i would get it .. this thing is basically screwed in the mim handling thats why it cant recognize the file |
| 20:41.48 | dev52 | and maybe something is restricting where (aka what set of urls) php can be used |
| 20:42.10 | dos000 | ale00, yes .. .php is there i even tried to rmove it to no avail |
| 20:42.15 | k31th | Evening |
| 20:42.18 | bronaugh | uhh. this is pissing me off, and it's been broken for quite some time. I'm using debian sid. when I change keyboard layouts C-y stops functioning. |
| 20:42.21 | dev52 | dos000: it looks like php is not even recognized at all, and it's not at all getting to the module |
| 20:42.25 | bronaugh | (in Xorg) |
| 20:42.29 | bronaugh | anyone else experienced this? |
| 20:42.47 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:42.47 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:42.53 | bronaugh | abrotman: die? |
| 20:42.54 | dev52 | debian sid... |
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| 20:43.02 | abrotman | bronaugh: why? |
| 20:43.04 | dos000 | dev52, but it can handle the test php file with phpinfo straight (copy pasted ) from the php manual |
| 20:43.17 | bronaugh | because it's unlikely to have any info on this problem, and even if it does it will be deeply buried? |
| 20:43.27 | dev52 | we -could- say it's your fault for running sid... but instead we can say "thank yuou for helping us find problems" |
| 20:43.33 | bronaugh | it's also possible it's not a package bug and is instead some kind of fscking wierd system config issue. |
| 20:43.33 | abrotman | so instead you thought you'd query 560+ people? |
| 20:43.46 | k31th | Merry Christmas Everyone |
| 20:43.53 | bronaugh | sure, it takes them less than 1s each to read the message |
| 20:43.57 | bronaugh | so 550s of time |
| 20:43.59 | dos000 | k31th, ! |
| 20:44.44 | k31th | wats cracking dos kid |
| 20:44.55 | k31th | as in a packet kiddy ? |
| 20:45.06 | k31th | dont bring your bot net |
| 20:45.10 | dev52 | bronaugh: system-wide configs are in /etc... but about 90% of the config files there and (within some limitations) elsewhere, are tied to a package |
| 20:45.24 | bronaugh | dev52: I'm not a fool. |
| 20:45.32 | bronaugh | but I am apparently an ass. |
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| 20:46.01 | dev52 | bronaugh: and that is helpful for helping to solve your problem, in what way? |
| 20:46.03 | bronaugh | anyhow, I checked bug list for xserver-xorg-input-kbd, which I assume would be the package with the bug, and there's nothing. |
| 20:46.26 | abrotman | it's possible that gnome/kde are doing it if you're using those |
| 20:46.29 | murokki | :F |
| 20:46.30 | dev52 | so you're pissed off... so you have an upsetting situation... does that mean I have to be upset? |
| 20:46.34 | bronaugh | I'm not using gnome/kde. |
| 20:46.36 | abrotman | (some window managers can interfere also) |
| 20:46.38 | bronaugh | just using setxkbmap |
| 20:46.43 | dev52 | I say it's better than being pissed on! |
| 20:46.55 | bronaugh | dev52: no, better if you aren't. |
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| 20:47.01 | dev52 | wellthen |
| 20:47.03 | bronaugh | this problem has existed for months at least. |
| 20:47.09 | murokki | my friend is running a "hidden" ftp server but there is no way to locate it, any tips? |
| 20:47.11 | dev52 | stop leaking that attitude here ;) |
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| 20:47.19 | murokki | it doesn't show up in ps aux |
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| 20:47.41 | abrotman | murokki: uh .. it's not hidden unless the box has been cracked |
| 20:47.49 | abrotman | or using some security kernel |
| 20:47.50 | dos000 | dev52, i just realized the file it is trying to download is a (prolly tem generated file with ) phtml file extension! |
| 20:47.52 | dev52 | bronaugh: so can you give some history maybe? or something that can help? |
| 20:48.10 | murokki | abrotman: well how can i stop it? |
| 20:48.11 | dev52 | dos000: and not .php? |
| 20:48.16 | stew | murokki: murokki what does "netstat -plant | grep :21" return? |
| 20:48.31 | murokki | uh hold on |
| 20:48.44 | bronaugh | dev52: I'm not even sure exactly when it started happening. I don't switch keyboard layouts when I'm the only one using my machine. but I type dvorak... so when someone else hops on the machine, I switch layouts. |
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| 20:48.57 | dos000 | dev52, no .. it has .phtml at the end but the initial index.php file is not creating the error |
| 20:49.14 | k-man | do you have to do anything special to make changes to /etc/security/limits.conf to come into effect? |
| 20:49.16 | abrotman | bronaugh: you need BOFH lessons .. don't switch keyboard layouts for users .. make them adapt! :) |
| 20:49.21 | bronaugh | dev52: at some point, I'd say ~6 months ago, this started making C-y not work. all other keys seem to. |
| 20:49.24 | murokki | what's the default ftp server that comes with debian installation? |
| 20:49.27 | stew | murokki: if it returns inetd in the last column then edit /etc/inetd.conf and restart inetd |
| 20:49.30 | stew | murokki: none |
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| 20:49.42 | bronaugh | abrotman: heh, unlabelled dvorak is a pretty awesome security measure. that's all I'll say to that :P |
| 20:49.47 | dos000 | dev52, i just rechecked /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 |
| 20:49.54 | murokki | stew: yeah it returns inetd |
| 20:50.09 | FarrisG | How do I get to the option to do software raid in etch's installer (beta3)? |
| 20:50.09 | bronaugh | I'm using ratpoison as a wm. |
| 20:50.14 | stew | murokki: /msg dpkg inetd |
| 20:50.32 | dev52 | dos000: that looks good... now where does a application/x-httpd-php go? |
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| 20:50.45 | bronaugh | crap, you know what? it is ratpoison screwing it up. |
| 20:50.49 | bronaugh | ARRRRGHH |
| 20:50.57 | dev52 | bronaugh: what's it doing? |
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| 20:50.59 | laurens_ | hi |
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| 20:51.04 | bronaugh | dev52: it binds C-t |
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| 20:51.09 | dev52 | ahh |
| 20:51.12 | abrotman | bronaugh: do i get a cookie? |
| 20:51.29 | bronaugh | dev52: t on dvorak is y on qwerty keyboard. |
| 20:51.30 | dev52 | don't you have a year's supply??! |
| 20:51.31 | laurens_ | how do i change how fuzzily patch works? I don't mean in the sence of context around a hunk but as in what line the hunk is located |
| 20:51.32 | dos000 | dev52, no idea .. i just know that the php4 module is enabled ... i dont know much how mime works in apache2 |
| 20:51.32 | stew | !cookie abrotman |
| 20:51.34 | dpkg | Hey stew, qotd155 is abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:51.42 | bronaugh | err, other way around. |
| 20:51.53 | bronaugh | so now I get to swear at ratpoison people and/or fix the code. |
| 20:51.53 | abrotman | i love that one |
| 20:51.59 | laurens_ | i have a patch that doesnt apply cleanly by default, but i can apply it manually easily |
| 20:52.05 | abrotman | bronaugh: perhaps the bug is filed on ratpoison |
| 20:52.07 | bronaugh | abrotman: good catch :) |
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| 20:52.15 | mindbob- | Hey guys I have a debian firewall using the Alcatel Speedtouch 330 USB modem, for some reason my adsl connection keeps dropping, re-synching and the going up again, this cycles like every 10 - 15 minutes, can someone please help me out with this its driving me nuts? (up until today i used to use an openbsd fireall and it stayed online 24/7 so its not my line/isp) perhaps a config error or something? |
| 20:52.21 | laurens_ | because the hunk lines are WAY off |
| 20:52.23 | bronaugh | abrotman: nah, I'll just ask them. I know them pretty well. |
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| 20:52.53 | abrotman | bronaugh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=167985;archive=yes |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327196 |
| 20:53.17 | laurens_ | so basically: |
| 20:53.36 | laurens_ | How do i change the maximum offset patch will apply hunks |
| 20:53.42 | abrotman | those might not be it though |
| 20:54.00 | bvs | anyknow know if it's possible to run debian on the sun ultra 3 mobile laptops? |
| 20:54.13 | abrotman | a tadpole? |
| 20:54.14 | bronaugh | ok, I'm running 1.4.x |
| 20:54.25 | murokki | stew: i don't see what i should edit |
| 20:54.25 | bronaugh | so theoretically that shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 20:54.30 | abrotman | !tell bvs about sparc |
| 20:55.22 | jelly | laurens_: you could change the line numbers in the patch so they are acceptably close |
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| 20:55.49 | stew | murokki: /etc/inetd.conf |
| 20:55.55 | bronaugh | abrotman: ok, rattling that cage now. |
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| 20:56.49 | murokki | yes but what there |
| 20:57.08 | murokki | stew: how can i restart inetd? |
| 20:57.31 | lightcap | is there a debian way for handling patches in the debian bts and including them in a build? |
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| 20:58.46 | stew | murokki: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
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| 20:59.25 | murokki | are you sure such file exists |
| 20:59.30 | stew | lightcap: no, other than following the instructions in "/msg dpkg source" and applying the patches by hand before running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:59.41 | stew | murokki: it should |
| 20:59.48 | stew | murokki: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:59.53 | murokki | etch |
| 21:00.00 | lightcap | stew: okay, thanks. Seems like with all thats automated using dpkg that could be too |
| 21:00.09 | mindbob- | anyone? |
| 21:00.42 | dev52 | murokki: are -you- sure: you're closer to your console, additionally you have the monitor connected to your computer |
| 21:01.17 | murokki | yes :) |
| 21:01.29 | dev52 | (I'm thinking your problem-solving method needs improvement especially when working with others) |
| 21:01.57 | murokki | there is only inetd.dpkg-new |
| 21:02.16 | dev52 | aha, so the package hasn't fully installed |
| 21:02.17 | stew | murokki: someone deleted it then |
| 21:02.21 | stew | dev52: no |
| 21:02.25 | dev52 | or stew's |
| 21:02.40 | bronaugh | abrotman: ok, fixed in 1.4.0 final. |
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| 21:02.45 | stew | murokki: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:02.53 | dev52 | thats the only way that can happen? |
| 21:02.57 | bronaugh | (stupid old vers) |
| 21:03.14 | stew | murokki: you could "cp inetd.dpkg-new inetd" and run /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 21:03.49 | dev52 | or "/etc/init.d/inetd.dpkg-new restart" |
| 21:03.56 | dev52 | and if that works, then do the mv |
| 21:04.00 | dev52 | or cp |
| 21:04.22 | murokki | is inetd critical process? |
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| 21:04.40 | murokki | for internet networking |
| 21:04.45 | azeem | murokki: not if you're not running servers |
| 21:04.46 | bronaugh | no. |
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| 21:04.57 | dev52 | murokki: find out by learning more about what inetd does |
| 21:04.58 | azeem | and even then, its use is debateable |
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| 21:05.09 | IndyBC | Debian users don't like ubuntu at all? |
| 21:05.16 | dev52 | true, it's replacable |
| 21:05.20 | dev52 | like? |
| 21:05.20 | stew | murokki: its safe to restart it |
| 21:05.25 | murokki | umm |
| 21:05.28 | bronaugh | ubuntu is fine. just not my pref on a machine I abuse a lot. |
| 21:05.33 | bronaugh | debian stands up to abuse a bit better. |
| 21:05.40 | murokki | the ftp is still on even if inetd is stopped, is that normal? |
| 21:06.07 | stew | murokki: any ftp process that was already started to handle an existing connection would not be affected by restarting inetd |
| 21:06.10 | dev52 | murokki: that depends on whether ftp is arranged to go thru inetd or not |
| 21:06.16 | IndyBC | bronaugh: ok :-) |
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| 21:06.30 | abrotman | bronaugh: at least oyu found a solution |
| 21:06.56 | bronaugh | abrotman: yeah, thanks for the tip re WM. |
| 21:07.03 | stew | IndyBC: making such general statements about all debian users is just silly, debian users each have their own opinions |
| 21:07.05 | abrotman | bronaugh: have a nice day |
| 21:07.05 | dev52 | bronaugh: you might have a (calm!) chat with the maintainer of ratpoison |
| 21:07.16 | bronaugh | nah, it was partly my own stupidity. |
| 21:07.21 | bronaugh | I had a compiled version of rp installed. |
| 21:07.25 | bronaugh | (ie I compiled it) |
| 21:07.25 | abrotman | no kidding? |
| 21:07.42 | bronaugh | switched to the packaged ver and all is good. |
| 21:07.53 | dev52 | oh, rats, no wonder mine isn't working... |
| 21:07.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: i tagged it unreproducible |
| 21:07.58 | dev52 | it's uncompiled! |
| 21:08.06 | bronaugh | yeah, foot in mouth :/ |
| 21:08.06 | mindbob- | Hey guys I have a debian firewall using the Alcatel Speedtouch 330 USB modem, for some reason my adsl connection keeps dropping, re-synching and the going up again, this cycles like every 10 - 15 minutes, can someone please help me out with this its driving me nuts? (up until today i used to use an openbsd fireall and it stayed online 24/7 so its not my line/isp) perhaps a config error or something? |
| 21:08.40 | amphi | mindbob-: speedtouch 330 works fine here, except when the isp falls over |
| 21:08.42 | dev52 | mindbob-: does this happen without the debian firewall? |
| 21:09.05 | bronaugh | I wrote a patch for rp a while back to change the behaviour of mouse warping; so the compiled binary dates from then. since then patch has been included. |
| 21:09.11 | dev52 | I'd say you have line noise |
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| 21:09.42 | mindbob- | dev52 yes |
| 21:10.01 | dev52 | mindbob-: then... the debian firewall is not the cause :) |
| 21:10.08 | mindbob- | dev52, I doubt its line noise, because i have run an openbsd firewall/gateway for years and the line hasnt dropped like this untill i switched to linux |
| 21:10.30 | murokki | dev52: well if netstat -plant | grep :21 returns inetd i guess it goes through it? |
| 21:10.47 | bronaugh | anyhow. |
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| 21:12.02 | MustangMatt | So what kernel should i use running sarge under vmware :) |
| 21:12.06 | dev52 | murokki: apparantly, you'd have to be root for netstat to show you all possibilities |
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| 21:12.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: but it's obviously not |
| 21:12.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: or rather .. it obviously is reproducible |
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| 21:15.33 | dev52 | MustangMatt: which ones have you tried? |
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| 21:17.42 | MustangMatt | dev52: I'm running 686 smp currently and it's working fine, just was wondering if there was a recommended kernel to try. |
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| 21:18.26 | dev52 | I'm not sure, not having tried it myself, but I'm guessing from the nature of vmware that kernel version is orthogonal |
| 21:20.15 | dev52 | MustangMatt: try em all :) |
| 21:20.29 | dev52 | (ok, so that will take awhile...) |
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| 21:25.02 | ftp3 | hello.. i am trying to install debian on a amd 3000+ system with 2 80gig sata hard drives.. this is a 100% fresh install.. using the debian 3.1 (minimal bootable CD image) i keep getting a "no partitionable media were found" error.. anyone have any clues for me? |
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| 21:26.04 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 21:26.04 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 21:26.12 | Guerin | ftp3: ^ |
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| 21:26.40 | ftp3 | thank you Guerin, looking now |
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| 21:27.33 | ftp3 | Guerin, i have nothing installed though.. it does not detect the hds to install debian to do the backports |
| 21:27.47 | ftp3 | is there an ISO i can get that has the proper version? |
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| 21:27.57 | dev52 | Guerin: hmm, I did all that, and the 2.6.16 kernel works mostly, but I'm trying to figure out why I can't burn cds where I can using the 2.6.7 |
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| 21:28.17 | paladinhugo | hello all |
| 21:28.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: restarted; I also stuck in an automated restarter every day, so it should be slightly better |
| 21:28.23 | stew | dev52: because more recently 2.6 kernels put more restrictions on which ioctls users can use |
| 21:28.24 | mr_claus__ | hi, which packages i have to install to use evolution with spell checking? |
| 21:28.30 | paladinhugo | I've installed debian base install using netinstall cd |
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| 21:28.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yay! .. thank you! |
| 21:28.43 | dev52 | stew: so I would have to run as root? |
| 21:28.45 | stew | dev52: yes |
| 21:28.50 | dev52 | that would explain a lot |
| 21:28.52 | paladinhugo | now, when I boot with debian it asks me to select the packages I wish to install |
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| 21:29.20 | paladinhugo | how do I know the packages I need to install? |
| 21:29.35 | Guerin | ftp3: i don't see the relevance. The sarge boot images don't detect some sata chipsets, an issue fixed by these unofficial images with newer kernels |
| 21:29.37 | dev52 | paladinhugo: the net install cd has installed the base... |
| 21:29.53 | dev52 | you could install none and then install whatever you want later |
| 21:30.03 | tuxedup | I am having trouble with fonts on a new install of debian. The majority of fonts look good, except the LQ site's fonts look terrible. What are the main font packages that should be installed? I believe I already have them though |
| 21:30.30 | dev52 | you'll get a very small initial installation which would grow as you install packages or otherwise fill up your hd |
| 21:30.43 | paladinhugo | how do I install gnome destkop? |
| 21:30.47 | dev52 | other than that, it depends on what you want to do |
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| 21:31.01 | Guerin | paladinhugo: aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:31.20 | stew | paladinhugo: run tasksel and choose "desktop" or run aptitude and select tasks->user->desktop->gnome-desktop |
| 21:31.29 | ftp3 | Guerin, I guess it is my ignorance that is the problem. I do not understand how to use what you showed me since what you pasted wants be to run lines like "deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free". where would I put that line when booting from a cd? |
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| 21:31.42 | Guerin | ok |
| 21:31.45 | FarrisG | When etch's installer gets to partman, why do I not see the option to create a software raid? |
| 21:31.45 | SerajewelKS | can anyone recommend a really good frontend to iptables? |
| 21:31.54 | paladinhugo | when I boot whith debian, it asks me the packages I want to install |
| 21:32.00 | paladinhugo | how do I choose to install none? |
| 21:32.01 | dev52 | ftp3: deb lines go in a particular config file |
| 21:32.09 | Guerin | ftp3: for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 21:32.21 | tuxedup | SerajewelKS: guardog, firestarter |
| 21:32.23 | dev52 | paladinhugo: just exit from the installer? |
| 21:32.25 | Guerin | ftp3: READ the factoid |
| 21:32.40 | paladinhugo | proceed without selecting none of the choices? |
| 21:32.43 | stew | paladinhugo: is "desktop" one of the choices you see? |
| 21:32.47 | paladinhugo | yes |
| 21:32.50 | dev52 | yeah, that sounds good |
| 21:32.52 | stew | paladinhugo: that is the one you want |
| 21:32.54 | Guerin | select it? |
| 21:32.54 | paladinhugo | but desktop takes hours to install |
| 21:32.58 | Guerin | just an idea. |
| 21:33.02 | Guerin | paladinhugo: yes. |
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| 21:33.14 | Guerin | paladinhugo: go read a book or something. |
| 21:33.15 | stew | paladinhugo: then select "manual" or whatever it is at the bottom |
| 21:33.16 | dev52 | paladinhugo: well,,, you did say you wanted gnome |
| 21:33.22 | SerajewelKS | tuxedup: thanks, guarddog looks good |
| 21:33.34 | paladinhugo | I want gnome, not gnome, kde, openoffice |
| 21:33.58 | dev52 | oh, well, details, details :) |
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| 21:34.09 | paladinhugo | ok |
| 21:34.13 | dev52 | anyways, they said one way to go :) |
| 21:34.18 | paladinhugo | bbl |
| 21:34.22 | stew | paladinhugo: choose manual, run aptitude, then select tasks->user->desktop->gnome desktop ; or "aptitude install x-window-system-core gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 21:34.39 | SerajewelKS | tuxedup: hmm, guarddog is its own firewall |
| 21:34.47 | SerajewelKS | tuxedup: i just need an iptables frontend |
| 21:34.58 | tuxedup | SerajewelKS:guarddog is a front end to iptables |
| 21:35.01 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ipmasq |
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| 21:35.55 | SerajewelKS | tuxedup: then how come it starts a service |
| 21:36.16 | dev52 | SerajewelKS: the docs don't say why? |
| 21:36.30 | tuxedup | SerajewelKS:whats the service called? |
| 21:36.59 | SerajewelKS | tuxedup: err it tried to: Unable to start guarddog firewall - /etc/rc.firewall does not exist |
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| 21:37.28 | dev52 | my guess is the service watches incoming and outgoing connection startup requests and adjusts the firewall accordingly in some cases, and blocks in others |
| 21:37.32 | tuxedup | SerajewelKS:I thought that was just a guarddog config file, not a service |
| 21:37.40 | SerajewelKS | tuxedup: hmm |
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| 21:38.46 | Serialkiller | anyone using fglrx module? |
| 21:38.54 | SerajewelKS | what about kmyfirewall? |
| 21:39.14 | dev52 | isn't there an "anyone" factoid on dpkg or something? |
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| 21:39.24 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use fglrx |
| 21:39.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses fglrx, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:39.34 | cydork | !fglrx |
| 21:39.34 | dpkg | i guess fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or but it's in sid only, not in etch |
| 21:39.38 | Serialkiller | i keep getting operation not permitted when insmod fglrx |
| 21:39.56 | dev52 | Serialkiller: get a new doctor? |
| 21:40.02 | Serialkiller | lol |
| 21:40.07 | dev52 | do you really need that operation??! |
| 21:40.33 | Serialkiller | i have drm and radeon loaded in kernel, does anyone know if they have to be removed from kernel like in the 2.4 kernels? |
| 21:40.42 | dev52 | seriously... why would that operation not be permitted? |
| 21:41.02 | Serialkiller | i am running testing with kde 3.5 and i have ati x300 video card |
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| 21:41.20 | freeone3000 | Every reboot, I must reinstall my nvidia drivers or X doesn't load properly... Why? |
| 21:41.32 | Serialkiller | and i am using xorg as well |
| 21:41.42 | cydork | freeone3000, how did you install nvidia drivers? |
| 21:41.42 | dev52 | what are the mechanisms whereby an action would be permitted or not? |
| 21:41.43 | abrotman | !anyone use |
| 21:41.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:41.52 | Guerin | bah, stupid non-free drivers |
| 21:41.53 | freeone3000 | cydork: ./NVIDIA-[tab] -s |
| 21:41.57 | Guerin | damn them to HELL |
| 21:42.08 | muaddib | Is acpi neccessary for SATA based devices o work properly |
| 21:42.13 | sid | haha abrotman |
| 21:42.23 | muaddib | Also is apic neccessary for SATA based devices to work properly? |
| 21:42.32 | Guerin | freeone3000: remove all traces of nvidia from your system and install the drivers properly |
| 21:42.38 | Serialkiller | and no one is in alive in ati so i am asking here |
| 21:42.41 | cydork | freeone3000, to find out abou the debian way to install nvida /msg dpkg nvida one-liner |
| 21:42.44 | Guerin | freeone3000: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 21:42.50 | dev52 | muaddib: have you ever run a sata hd in either case? |
| 21:43.24 | freeone3000 | cydork: Last time I tried that, it only gave me OpenGL 1.2, not the 2.1 I so dearly love and need. |
| 21:43.30 | freeone3000 | cydork: Did I just do it wrong? |
| 21:43.31 | muaddib | dev52: Yes but it came preconfigured |
| 21:43.46 | dev52 | define "it" |
| 21:44.17 | dev52 | (on second thought, I'm not pulling teeth today, do that for the person who is willing to help) |
| 21:44.35 | cydork | freeone3000, the nivida day is not supported by debian :) |
| 21:44.50 | dev52 | the way you're going about asking, is how I get paid |
| 21:44.57 | muaddib | dev52: The computer as a whole. It came with preinstalled OS |
| 21:45.04 | cydork | s/nivida day/nvidia way/ |
| 21:45.04 | muaddib | dev52: I only used it for about a month |
| 21:45.15 | freeone3000 | cydork: Which means, basically, I'm screwed, add it to my startup scripts if I want to play UT, right? |
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| 21:46.42 | dev52 | freeone3000: so it seems like you have two versions of opengl installed |
| 21:47.01 | cydork | freeone3000, i didn't say that, you might come accross something on google about it. We cant help if you are not using debian way |
| 21:47.06 | freeone3000 | dev52: I may. Mesa was required from a few things? |
| 21:47.33 | freeone3000 | from -> for, ?-> . |
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| 21:47.35 | dev52 | maybe you'd want to clean that situation up so there is only one choice |
| 21:48.21 | dev52 | but I dunno, you might need the older version for something (for your sake and for the sake of someone who tries to help you, I hope not) |
| 21:48.25 | freeone3000 | Oddly enough, looks like QT4 needs it... |
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| 21:48.54 | freeone3000 | And this is just punishment from Debian RMS/Linux that I'm not using the Free drivers the Debian way, huh? |
| 21:49.08 | dev52 | dunno |
| 21:49.28 | dev52 | but certainly binary-only drivers present problems |
| 21:49.52 | dev52 | it's why rms went the way he did in the first place |
| 21:50.00 | cydork | freeone3000, nvidia drivers which come with debian are also non-free just the way of installin is different.. |
| 21:50.14 | freeone3000 | cydork: Ah. Mmkay. I'll try that one again... |
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| 21:51.14 | dev52 | I have a firewire audio device, and I'm given to understand there's no way to get it going using alsa drivers... so I'm stuck in windows for that |
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| 21:52.11 | MustangMatt | firewire sound card? I've heard of usb versions but I've never seen a firewire version of a sound card. |
| 21:52.14 | amphi | firewire audio? |
| 21:52.24 | dev52 | breakout box |
| 21:52.56 | MustangMatt | ah, but the actual card is still pci correct? |
| 21:52.56 | dev52 | no |
| 21:52.56 | dev52 | firewire cable to the machine |
| 21:53.01 | MustangMatt | interesting. |
| 21:53.01 | freeone3000 | I'm pressing alt-` e but my e isn't getting accented. Why not? |
| 21:53.22 | dev52 | you need more MSG? |
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| 21:55.09 | dev52 | freeone3000: it's usually helpful if you explore your situation before asking... it's almost like "have a problem. Why?" without sayuing anythying else |
| 21:55.35 | Guerin | freeone3000: because you haven't set things up to |
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| 22:02.07 | netsurf3 | can someone help me with wildcard usage and ln -s pleae |
| 22:02.21 | netsurf3 | i am trying to ln -s all the files in a directory |
| 22:02.27 | netsurf3 | but not the directory |
| 22:03.04 | dev52 | netsurf3: to what? I think you might need a loop |
| 22:03.19 | dev52 | you want a farm of links? |
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| 22:03.24 | netsurf3 | yeah |
| 22:03.40 | netsurf3 | i have a limited partition writable by linux |
| 22:03.46 | netsurf3 | (fat) |
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| 22:04.05 | netsurf3 | and i am trying to ln -s the map files from my win ntfs drive |
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| 22:04.15 | netsurf3 | hence saving space |
| 22:04.17 | jetscreamer | ln -sn |
| 22:04.24 | netsurf3 | its that easy? |
| 22:04.25 | jetscreamer | maybe is what you want |
| 22:04.25 | dev52 | fats can be linked to but as far as I know can't actually contain links |
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| 22:04.37 | netsurf3 | we shall see |
| 22:04.38 | jetscreamer | ln -sn thing symlinkname |
| 22:04.43 | Blissex | netsurf3: http://FS-driver.org/ works pretty well indeed. |
| 22:04.49 | jetscreamer | aka target linkname |
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| 22:05.10 | freeone3000 | dev52: Alrighty. I've modmapped my right windows key to Multi_key as in /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h with xmodmap, run manually after changing the file ~/.xmodmap |
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| 22:05.28 | freeone3000 | dev52: And it still doesn't take the ` or ~ keys as 'dead'. |
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| 22:05.59 | dev52 | are they supposed to be dead in your situation? |
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| 22:06.05 | starfishy | i have a weird problem with debootstrap (trying to debootstrap etch into a directory on another etch installation |
| 22:06.21 | dev52 | i.e., perhaps they are not dead now; could that be a problem? |
| 22:06.28 | freeone3000 | dev52: I would very much like them to be, even over the protestations of various things... |
| 22:06.37 | starfishy | debootstrap complains that the Packages.gz file on the server is corrupt, but both apt-get and aptitude can download it |
| 22:06.54 | netsurf3 | Blissex: thanks would be nice if it had riserfs |
| 22:06.56 | stew | starfishy: what version of debootstrap? |
| 22:06.57 | freeone3000 | Oh, That's why! I'm supposed to type Multi_key before the deadkey. Thanks. |
| 22:06.58 | netsurf3 | :( |
| 22:06.58 | dev52 | I'm guessing you'd have to arrange for them to be ummapped |
| 22:07.00 | cydork | starfishy, which server are you using? |
| 22:07.02 | ^punisher | sup |
| 22:07.04 | Softly | yo |
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| 22:07.24 | starfishy | 0.3.3 |
| 22:07.30 | Blissex | netsurf3: there is/was a port of ReiserFS to MS Windows, but I can't find it anymore. Anyhow it was read only IIRC. |
| 22:07.31 | dev52 | netsurf3: watch out for reiser... back up your files -often- |
| 22:07.33 | starfishy | its a local server that I regularly use to update my boxes |
| 22:07.42 | starfishy | (managed by me) |
| 22:07.44 | freeone3000 | ...Ohkay, any reason why this wouldn't work for OpenOffice.org? |
| 22:07.55 | netsurf3 | dev52 whats up with it? |
| 22:08.01 | starfishy | eh, stew, debootstrap version is 0.3.3 |
| 22:08.13 | stew | starfishy: that isn't the problem then |
| 22:08.24 | starfishy | i figured |
| 22:08.40 | dev52 | I think it's reiser version 3, I've heard stories it can screw up and you lose all your files on the partition, suddenly and simultaneously |
| 22:08.46 | starfishy | somehow the problem must be in how debootstrap accesses the local server |
| 22:08.51 | Guerin | it can |
| 22:08.53 | freeone3000 | Ah. Like ntfs! |
| 22:08.53 | Softly | I'll find out |
| 22:08.59 | starfishy | the server is pingable and I can look at the contents with a browser |
| 22:09.01 | dev52 | do they have that fixed? |
| 22:09.03 | cydork | reiserfs |
| 22:09.04 | Guerin | no, ntfs is quite stable, just braindead |
| 22:09.06 | starfishy | the directories are correct, the file is there |
| 22:09.13 | freeone3000 | Guerin: Even the write? |
| 22:09.16 | starfishy | and downloads and unpacks properly |
| 22:09.17 | cydork | !reiserfs |
| 22:09.18 | dpkg | methinks reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
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| 22:09.20 | amphi | netsurf3: reiser fsck has been charmingly described as a 'horror reanimator' ;) |
| 22:09.21 | stew | PrinceAMD: please turn that off in here |
| 22:09.36 | Guerin | freeone3000: sure, if you use windows. If you don't use a proper driver, you can't really expect it to work. |
| 22:09.41 | PrinceAMD | stew: why |
| 22:09.44 | netsurf3 | amphi it creates frankenstine? |
| 22:09.59 | amphi | netsurf3: somewhat - let me find the url |
| 22:10.02 | PrinceAMD | stew: how do i turn it off? |
| 22:10.08 | ^punisher | don't know |
| 22:10.15 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: read the documentation for your irc client |
| 22:10.16 | amphi | netsurf3: search for 'reanimator' on http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc |
| 22:10.25 | stew | !tell PrinceAMD about away |
| 22:10.36 | netsurf3 | lol teh sukc? |
| 22:11.01 | dev52 | PrinceAMD: the "why" is answered by the number of people in here and how your (unnecessary) posting has to be sent to all of them |
| 22:11.18 | dev52 | not sure about how, but I'm glad you're asking |
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| 22:11.47 | PrinceAMD | dev52: ok i understand |
| 22:11.47 | netsurf3 | amphi this is two years old :/ |
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| 22:12.19 | amphi | netsurf3: reiser doesn't maintain reiser3 any more AFAIK - that's one of the bones of contention |
| 22:12.44 | netsurf3 | i see |
| 22:12.51 | amphi | netsurf3: perhaps it's no longer true, but I was amused by 'horror reanimator' |
| 22:12.58 | netsurf3 | me too |
| 22:13.00 | netsurf3 | ehhe |
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| 22:13.07 | dev52 | does reiser after vers 3 solve the sudden partition death problem? |
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| 22:13.27 | netsurf3 | dunno |
| 22:13.32 | netsurf3 | mine has been fine |
| 22:13.38 | dev52 | like I said |
| 22:13.42 | netsurf3 | and the amountof times i yanked the plug |
| 22:13.42 | dev52 | back up often |
| 22:13.51 | netsurf3 | dev52 i did |
| 22:13.54 | dev52 | good |
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| 22:14.04 | netsurf3 | all my important files are on a differnet partition |
| 22:14.04 | amphi | I had to do --rebuild-tree once, and it worked, but... |
| 22:14.20 | dev52 | (not onto an hd with a reiser partition, I trust?) |
| 22:14.27 | netsurf3 | ......... |
| 22:14.40 | netsurf3 | do i sound like a linux guru :P |
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| 22:14.50 | dev52 | nope |
| 22:14.57 | dev52 | of course, I can't hear you at all :) |
| 22:15.02 | netsurf3 | you can |
| 22:15.10 | netsurf3 | just use text to speech :P |
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| 22:19.06 | freeone3000 | Multikey composition is working in some apps but not others. Why? |
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| 22:19.53 | loneiguana | if I'm installing from another distro, where can I get the base packages so that I can chroot? |
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| 22:20.01 | dev52 | that would be a question for the authors, developers or maintainers of the apps specifically involved |
| 22:20.11 | freeone3000 | Net install cd. |
| 22:20.16 | freeone3000 | dev52: Alrighty, thanks. |
| 22:20.33 | dev52 | loneiguana: or debootstrap (what are you installing and onto what?) |
| 22:20.39 | loneiguana | freeone3000: I can just copy the files from net install cd to the local computer, and chroot? |
| 22:20.45 | oggis_ | on debian, what would be the correct place to have "custom" startup/shutdown commands (like gentoo local.{start,stop}) instead of creating a new initscript for everything? |
| 22:21.08 | loneiguana | dev52: I've actually got a corrupt debian that I'm trying to rebuild |
| 22:21.11 | Blissex | oggis_: thats not the correct thing to do on Debian. And it is a mess. |
| 22:21.31 | freeone3000 | loneiguana: I would run through the installer real quick, actually. |
| 22:21.55 | oggis_ | Blissex: so I should create new init scripts for stuff like echo one value into one place? |
| 22:22.08 | Blissex | oggis_: but you can create a new 'local' script that does that and gets linked as 'S99local' or 'K00local' |
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| 22:22.16 | beardy | !rc.local |
| 22:22.18 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 22:22.20 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 22:22.20 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
| 22:22.27 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 22:22.53 | oggis_ | hmm, @reboot cronjob, not a bad idea at all |
| 22:22.53 | freeone3000 | cronjob. Heh. |
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| 22:23.09 | ezu | where is the default window manager to be loaded stored at for the system? |
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| 22:23.18 | loneiguana | freeone3000: I was actually hoping I could keep my old config and package setup. Re running install would b0rk that, no? |
| 22:23.20 | tuxedup | what packages should be installed for nice fonts. All my apps in kde appear ok, its just certain websites (they used to look ok but I reinstalled and now they dont). |
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| 22:23.33 | Guerin | clif4d: |
| 22:23.37 | Guerin | bah |
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| 22:23.48 | beardy | azeem: what was changed? |
| 22:23.59 | azeem | the xserver warning |
| 22:24.00 | freeone3000 | loneiguana: Yeah... But I honestly don't know if the netinstall includes things like 'bash' before installing. |
| 22:24.15 | beardy | Ok |
| 22:24.21 | azeem | the fixed version has been in unstable for about 24 hours now |
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| 22:24.39 | loneiguana | well, I was hoping to copy of the /bin and /sbin directories and then chrooting and reinstalling packages |
| 22:24.52 | loneiguana | something is broken so that I can't even chroot right now |
| 22:25.13 | freeone3000 | ...Unless the config files contain the secret of the holy grail, I would just reinstall your OS of choice. |
| 22:25.34 | freeone3000 | Or repart, mount©. |
| 22:25.40 | ezu | I am trying to change the default window manager for X in sarge, it is currently at xfce4 and I want to change to blackbox |
| 22:25.59 | freeone3000 | ...Hmm? It's xfce? Coulda sworn it was twm. |
| 22:26.21 | freeone3000 | How would I set up my locale-settings in X and glibc? |
| 22:26.47 | loneiguana | of course the config files don't contain anything that is unreplaceable, it's just an accumulation of a couple years of tinkering in the /etc directory |
| 22:27.02 | beardy | azeem: You mean the "STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status" wasn't that there before too? |
| 22:27.22 | pickcoder | loneiguana: what exactly is broken in the old install? |
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| 22:28.03 | beardy | freeone3000: What is using locales, which program in X? WHich windowmanager or desktop? |
| 22:28.12 | beardy | !locales |
| 22:28.12 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
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| 22:28.37 | freeone3000 | beardy: OOo. KDE. |
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| 22:28.47 | azeem | beardy: 00:15 -!- Irssi: T-D: Removed: Unstable users: upgrade X server to 2:1.0.2-10 |
| 22:28.49 | loneiguana | pickcoder: unfortunately I don't know, it fails to boot, and chroot segfaults, I had general corruption on my old hard disk, got everything moved over with dd_rescue save the 192 bad sectors. Just trying to recovery from that |
| 22:28.53 | azeem | T-D == topic-diff |
| 22:28.54 | beardy | freeone3000: Keep the system's locale to C, use your dotfiles to configure what you want. |
| 22:29.46 | beardy | azeem: Ah, a script? |
| 22:30.22 | pickcoder | loneiguana: do you have a rescue disk? |
| 22:30.25 | azeem | yes |
| 22:30.39 | loneiguana | pickcoder: not per say, I've booted through knoppix |
| 22:30.48 | loneiguana | and my partitions fsck fine |
| 22:30.57 | beardy | freeone3000: KDE also has it's own configuration for languages, input encoding and translations, check the Control Panel or what it's name is. |
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| 22:33.16 | pickcoder | loneiguana: does fdisk show the partition is bootable? If so, did you try re-running lilo or grub to fix the MBR? |
| 22:34.13 | beardy | pickcoder: linux doesn't care about bootable |
| 22:34.40 | beardy | pickcoder: or rather, lilo, grub I don't know, but it shouldn't |
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| 22:37.43 | pickcoder | beardy: true, but it doesn't hurt to flag it |
| 22:37.52 | dev52 | beardy: it's the ms mbr that cares about bootable, right? |
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| 22:38.40 | pickcoder | whatever is in the MBR is what runs at boot up, regardless of the partition setup |
| 22:39.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | as long it's at 0x7C00 |
| 22:39.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | yes |
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| 22:40.26 | g333k_work | HI. is it possible that many users autologin to a PC without entering a user namer and a password? I'm using gdm |
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| 22:40.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | kdm does it, I think gdm too |
| 22:40.50 | netsurf3 | i thought that was the whole idea of autologin |
| 22:40.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | look by running gdm-setup |
| 22:41.09 | netsurf3 | .quit |
| 22:41.16 | beardy | dev52: DOS (probably a lot more than MS) and MS-Windows also requires it, or atleast, it always sets their system partitions to bootable, not sure if they whine if you remove the bootable flag and boot with a real bootloader. |
| 22:41.32 | g333k_work | Ox0F0-0FF, theres a option but it works just for 1 user.. I want many people to do it |
| 22:41.41 | dev52 | Ox0F0-0FF: the system won't have a way of telling them apart, so they would share the one home dir amongst all of them |
| 22:41.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k_work, and how you want this without selecting a login ? |
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| 22:42.03 | dev52 | how will the system tell them apart? |
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| 22:42.40 | g333k_work | Ox0F0-0FF, I dont know... I have a LTSP server, so I want my clients to connect without a login |
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| 22:43.01 | pickcoder | dev52: $29 thumb scanner? |
| 22:43.07 | dev52 | howbout people other than your clients |
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| 22:43.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | I see |
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| 22:44.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k_work, maybe by reference to the MAC address of your client stations |
| 22:44.20 | dev52 | maybe you should describe your exact situation |
| 22:44.26 | dev52 | from the beginning |
| 22:44.27 | pstickne | that breaks if they aren't in the same network segment... |
| 22:44.34 | g333k_work | Ox0F0-0FF, yes I have this information |
| 22:44.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | pstickne, true |
| 22:45.01 | beardy | g333k_work: What is LTSP? |
| 22:45.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | but anyways, we're talking about diskless stations.... |
| 22:45.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | so i guess it's like DHCP |
| 22:45.19 | dest | good night every one |
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| 22:45.31 | stew | !ltsp |
| 22:45.31 | dpkg | it has been said that ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 22:45.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | so everything on the same subnet |
| 22:45.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | anyways |
| 22:45.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | I mean |
| 22:45.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | no router beween |
| 22:46.08 | g333k_work | My clients boot with PXE + LTSP |
| 22:46.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | I'd say MAC address... you might have to write a PAM module |
| 22:46.24 | beardy | g333k_work: Where do they login? |
| 22:46.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | Check PAM available modules |
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| 22:47.10 | g333k_work | beardy, To my server... the clients doesnt have hdd.... they open a new session on the server |
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| 22:47.24 | beardy | g333k_work: Yes, but in what? xdm? |
| 22:47.26 | dev52 | g333k_work: maybe you should describe your exact situation from the beginning |
| 22:47.29 | g333k_work | beardy, gdm |
| 22:47.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k_work, Why is it so problematic that they have a login/password ? |
| 22:47.43 | g333k_work | dev52, Ok |
| 22:47.53 | dev52 | yeah, that part is dumb |
| 22:48.23 | beardy | g333k_work: Sounds like a bad idea. Why do you want it that insecure? ANd why can't they login? If you really have to, create a useraccount that everyone logs in with? |
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| 22:48.47 | stew | g333k_work: gdm can be setup to auto-login, use gdmsetup to configure it |
| 22:49.12 | beardy | g333k_work: Why do you even run gdm then? |
| 22:49.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k_work, To do what you want to do, i think you'd have to modify gdm's code so it can check the MAC connecting to it.... |
| 22:49.31 | stew | beardy: one reason would be so that he could auto-login to not require a username/password |
| 22:49.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | or check the IP |
| 22:49.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | A pain in the ass to unsecure the system... |
| 22:50.00 | dev52 | he's going to eventually describe his complete situation... |
| 22:50.09 | beardy | stew: Without it he can just start up X with no login at all. |
| 22:50.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | dev52, I hope so, would be helpful |
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| 22:50.39 | stew | beardy: i use such a setup. its nice that a guest is autologged in, but i can easily login with my un/pw for more prvileges |
| 22:50.42 | g333k_work | dev52, Ox0F0-0FF: I have a LTSP installed on a server... so my clients are PCs that are spread out around the University Campus.... so I dont want one person to walk around the whole campus each morning filling the User and Passwords fields of GDM to have the PCs enabled to user for the students... do you still think that is a dumb idea? |
| 22:50.50 | aurax | hello, there is a web bt+edonkey client i forgot the name, anyone remembers what its called? |
| 22:51.00 | beardy | stew: Ok. |
| 22:51.02 | edgeoc | does anyone have any recomendations on what piece of software I can use to mirror a remote ftp site (when rsync isnt available)...? |
| 22:51.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k_work, Why every student wouldn't have a login/pass ? |
| 22:51.17 | lowlevel | edge: perl + mirror.pl ? |
| 22:51.26 | Ox0F0-0FF | like any other uni |
| 22:51.32 | ion_bidon | hello, is there a debian tool to auto update control files ? |
| 22:51.40 | beardy | g333k_work: What stew suggests is probably the best way then. |
| 22:51.43 | Guerin | aurax: google does |
| 22:51.54 | dev52 | g333k_work: yes, you can have all the terminals serve from one (BIG) server which runs gdm and the terminals remote to it |
| 22:51.57 | aurax | Guerin what makes you think i didnt tried it? |
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| 22:52.05 | g333k_work | beardy, The accounts are created.... with their username and password.. So it will be great if GDM could read 2 a text file with the usernarmes and passsowrds and the MAC address ie and autologs every client |
| 22:52.12 | Guerin | aurax: what makes you think you should ask in #debian? |
| 22:52.25 | edgeoc | lowlevel... wher do i get mirror.pl?? |
| 22:52.31 | beardy | g333k_work: The thing we found stupid was the passwordless login, or no login at all, without the reason/situation explained. |
| 22:52.33 | g333k_work | Ox0F0-0FF, because each PC is not intended for one student... they are for public use |
| 22:52.34 | aurax | Guerin cuz i know it has been ported to debian |
| 22:52.39 | ion_bidon | I know about debchange, but I'm wondering why theres no debcontrol or something |
| 22:52.45 | dev52 | aurax: because you didn't tell the history of your situation, all we can assume is there is none |
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| 22:53.04 | Guerin | aurax: apt-cache search bittorrent web |
| 22:53.17 | Guerin | aurax: otherwise check freshmeat or something |
| 22:53.27 | k31th | guys got a bit of an "issue" i use postfix i used to use sendmail (well it has been installed on this box in the past)... now when im doing apt-get upgrade im getting this |
| 22:53.30 | beardy | g333k_work: I'd rather have a tight guest autologin, and if required, further authentication if the person needs more privilegies. |
| 22:53.30 | k31th | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.32 | k31th | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 22:53.33 | aurax | Guerin thx anyway |
| 22:53.42 | Quozl | upgraded etch yesterday, a few changes since the day before ... regression is in galeon the fonts have lost their anti-aliasing effect ... anyone know how to fix? |
| 22:54.03 | Guerin | Quozl: bts |
| 22:54.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k_work, login/logout.... ever heard about it ? |
| 22:54.23 | lowlevel | edge: google should be able to find it |
| 22:54.24 | Quozl | Guerin: as a general statement or a specific package you are aware of? |
| 22:54.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | or one login for everyone |
| 22:54.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | if you don't care about who's connected, why not using the same login v? |
| 22:55.09 | g333k_work | Ox0F0-0FF, I think youy dont understand what I mean... I want the LOGIN.. I just want it to be automatic for each user... understand? |
| 22:55.28 | dev52 | you can set up the server so it offers guest access and additionally allows students/others to log into their specific account |
| 22:55.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | g333k_work, modify gdm's source then |
| 22:55.38 | g333k_work | Ox0F0-0FF, try to run firefox with the same user in the same PC and will see |
| 22:55.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | true |
| 22:56.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | you will have to modify gdm then |
| 22:56.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | to base itself on the MAC |
| 22:56.32 | beardy | g333k_work: We (I) understand, but it is not a secure way, with the MAC adress. |
| 22:56.38 | dev52 | plus you could build a system that propigates the logins/passwords to every machine that each person should have access to, and within each machine the resources they shouold have access to |
| 22:56.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | and for this, you will have to have every machine on the same subnet |
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| 22:57.15 | g333k_work | beardy, The System I well configured.... students have access just to firefox... where is the insecurity? |
| 22:57.35 | pickcoder | dev52: LTSP uses NIS for auth |
| 22:58.05 | dev52 | hmm, which exposes /etc/shadow |
| 22:58.16 | beardy | heh |
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| 22:59.32 | dev52 | are you in a country which doesn't allow a school to collect names of students together with identifying numbers? |
| 23:00.12 | g333k_work | lol |
| 23:00.16 | g333k_work | so funny |
| 23:00.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | Well, I told you how to do it |
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| 23:01.01 | g333k_work | dev52, there is not a problem with that.. its just a functionality that I want to add... To avoid that } |
| 23:01.22 | pickcoder | geek: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDM%20auto-login%20with%20specific%20users%20to%20specific%20terminals |
| 23:01.35 | pickcoder | sorry.. g333k |
| 23:01.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | bbl |
| 23:03.32 | jelly-home | limiting apps to particular people is a bit better |
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| 23:04.00 | R6Ale-Away | hi |
| 23:04.03 | Guerin | limiting logins is better yet |
| 23:04.50 | arkaine | I'm getting this as i try to apt-get install xserver-xorg: The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-5bpo2) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed --- Added the source from backports.org |
| 23:05.03 | R6Ale-Away | im trying to recompile my kernel (2.6.16-2-686) but xconfig wont start (neither will menuconfig) |
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| 23:05.29 | dev52 | why? |
| 23:05.44 | R6Ale | i get "cannot connect to xserver (error 1 and error 2) |
| 23:05.51 | R6Ale | is there a more verbose log to llok at? |
| 23:06.06 | R6Ale | look* |
| 23:06.18 | azeem | R6Ale: are you running X already? |
| 23:06.32 | R6Ale | yes azeem |
| 23:06.50 | azeem | R6Ale: are you roto? |
| 23:06.51 | azeem | root |
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| 23:07.10 | R6Ale | im using a root console, and running kde as my user |
| 23:07.16 | g333k_work | pickcoder, wow! it seems interesting! Thanks |
| 23:07.26 | pickcoder | I think we need a dna sequencer here for people to perform certain application tasks. |
| 23:07.28 | azeem | R6Ale: that's why probably |
| 23:07.36 | pickcoder | g333k: hope it works |
| 23:07.37 | azeem | R6Ale: what is the problem with menuconfig? |
| 23:07.37 | R6Ale | lemme try |
| 23:07.43 | R6Ale | leme check ;D |
| 23:07.56 | beardy | R6Ale: Configure and compile as your user then, if you have to use X. |
| 23:07.59 | ScatterBrain | Say I have a system that is using reiserfs for everything except for /boot (on it's own partition). Could I boot off of a live CD, rsync the entire contents of the drive, format each of the partitions (except /boot) with XFS, rsync them back, change fstab and expect a bootable/usable system when I'm done? |
| 23:08.03 | R6Ale | make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 23:08.17 | R6Ale | then error 1 |
| 23:08.27 | R6Ale | error 2* i meant |
| 23:09.25 | R6Ale | it worked beardy :D |
| 23:09.34 | R6Ale | tnx |
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| 23:09.51 | beardy | R6Ale: Of course, you only need to be root when actually installing the kernel. |
| 23:09.58 | pickcoder | g333k: also check out the kiosk mode link at the top of that page |
| 23:10.06 | R6Ale | didnt know :D |
| 23:10.39 | dev52 | R6Ale: yeah, the x server generally doesn't let anyone but the user it's running as connect |
| 23:11.01 | dev52 | (there is xhost however... but that's very insecure, if you care about that) |
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| 23:11.24 | g333k_work | pickcoder, Ok I'll tell you tomorrow you exceptics if I make it work !!! See you, time to go home |
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| 23:11.51 | dev52 | (there is also ssh with x forwarding, which needs certain x clients to be installed, and might also need ssh config adjustment) |
| 23:12.09 | pickcoder | dev52: have you ever used it? |
| 23:12.43 | dev52 | which? |
| 23:12.43 | pickcoder | dev52: er. ssh x-foward |
| 23:12.44 | dev52 | yeah, works fine |
| 23:12.45 | pickcoder | dev52: even over slow lines? |
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| 23:13.24 | dev52 | well of course that's going to be slow... I do things like ssh dev52@thismachinerighthere |
| 23:13.34 | anapivirtua | reboot now |
| 23:13.44 | dev52 | so there's no "lines" to go thru for that case |
| 23:14.07 | pickcoder | curious, I've never tried using X remotely |
| 23:14.17 | dev52 | yeah, that can be slow :) |
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| 23:14.51 | pickcoder | SSH/pop3/etc through openvpn is about as fancy as I've gone |
| 23:14.58 | dev52 | I rran the x-windowy emacs that way |
| 23:15.20 | Lou80 | Can some tell me how I upgrade from a 2.6.8 kernel (from a sarge install) to a 2.6.17 kernel. When I do "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.17" it mentions dependencies and forces me to allow it to remove kernel-image-2.6.8 because the initrd-tools which works with 2.6.8 doesn't work with 2.6.17. Surely there is another way to compile the 2.6.17 kernel without having to delete my running kernel? I can't figure it out. |
| 23:15.25 | dev52 | it's annoying of course |
| 23:15.30 | dev52 | expecially thru a modem |
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| 23:15.52 | dev52 | Lou80: there's a factoid for that |
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| 23:15.55 | Lou80 | Please help me |
| 23:16.03 | dev52 | !2.6.16 |
| 23:16.04 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 23:16.08 | dev52 | !2.6 |
| 23:16.08 | dpkg | well, 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 23:16.10 | Lou80 | ah, cheers so it is a known issuse? |
| 23:16.16 | dev52 | !2.6.16 sarge |
| 23:16.17 | stew | Lou80: do you need 2.6.17 or is 2.6.16 ok? |
| 23:16.19 | pickcoder | I went from 2.4.20 to 2.6.17-9 via vanilla source install |
| 23:16.21 | stew | Lou80: no it isn't |
| 23:16.28 | pickcoder | it's an ugly boot-up though. <G> |
| 23:16.43 | ScatterBrain | Say I have a system that is using reiserfs for everything except for /boot (on it's own partition). Could I boot off of a live CD, rsync the entire contents of the drive, format each of the partitions (except /boot) with XFS, rsync them back, change fstab and expect a bootable/usable system when I'm done? |
| 23:16.45 | Lou80 | i need 2.6.17 for the bcm43xx driver :( |
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| 23:17.03 | Lou80 | but should i upgrade via 2.6.16?? |
| 23:17.16 | stew | Lou80: no, what version of debian are you running? stable? testing? |
| 23:17.25 | Lou80 | stable |
| 23:17.33 | Lou80 | 2.6.8-3 |
| 23:17.41 | Lou80 | sarge |
| 23:17.48 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: maybe? |
| 23:18.15 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: You will need to make sure you boot loader has a clue of what you've done |
| 23:18.22 | stew | Lou80: linux-source-2.6.17 shouldn't be apt-gettable then, can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 linux-source-2.6.17" and the what the dependency problems are exactly? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:18.25 | ScatterBrain | pickcoder: Define "maybe". |
| 23:18.44 | stew | Lou80: the 2.6.16 kernel won't work for you? |
| 23:19.22 | Lou80 | linux-source-2.6.17 is available through apt-get |
| 23:19.36 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: Theoretically it should work just fine, as long as your root partition doesn't change locations |
| 23:19.46 | stew | Lou80: not in stable |
| 23:20.09 | Lou80 | stew: i can't get into my system since it deleted my working kernel, the I crashed kde |
| 23:20.13 | ScatterBrain | pickcoder: like a "grub-install" after the formats and re-syncs. |
| 23:20.31 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: Create a disk image of your install so you can rebuild the chaos later if need be. |
| 23:20.32 | Lou80 | stew in unstable though |
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| 23:20.46 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: yeah |
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| 23:21.37 | loiic_ | (i have gone link dead, sorry if my first message got through) I am setting up a network of 10 to 20 PCs and I'd like to have a centralized user base and centralised file system on a file server. What would you recommend ? NFS? I also wonder how it would go with the laptops |
| 23:21.46 | Lou80 | dev52 i'm reading what you recommended... |
| 23:22.00 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: I've tried doing that before, moving from ext2 to ext3, and ended up buying a new keyboard before getting my install completed. <G> |
| 23:22.11 | stew | Lou80: boot a live cd, then chroot to your debian system, and get us the output of the apt-cache policy commands |
| 23:22.24 | dev52 | Lou80: so if you can't get into your system then this is all theoretical at the moment? what would it take to gain physical access to the machine? drive 100 miles? |
| 23:22.26 | stew | Lou80: you really shouldn't be adding unstable sources to sources.list if you are running stable |
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| 23:23.20 | Lou80 | dev52 what gives? i just don't know the proper jargon |
| 23:23.30 | Lou80 | stew thanks i will |
| 23:23.47 | ScatterBrain | pickcoder: Yeah, I'm afraid it may be too much trouble at this stage anyway. The machine is already in production. |
| 23:23.49 | dev52 | Lou80: you said you don't have access... in what way is that true? |
| 23:24.25 | stew | dev52: he meant his system isn't currently bootable |
| 23:24.29 | dev52 | ahh |
| 23:24.31 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: secondary drive setup - mirror install and rsync the setup |
| 23:24.33 | Lou80 | yeah :-) |
| 23:24.41 | Lou80 | chrooting... |
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| 23:24.53 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain:add two boot/root options to grub |
| 23:25.20 | pickcoder | ScatterBrain: just like testing out multiple kernels - fun stuff |
| 23:25.54 | Lou80 | stew what do i type once i've chrooted "apt-cache"? |
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| 23:26.40 | dev52 | stew Lou80: linux-source-2.6.17 shouldn't be apt-gettable then, can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 linux-source-2.6.17" and the what the dependency problems are exactly? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 23:28.29 | Lou80 | apt-get policy http://pastebin.ca/148215 |
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| 23:28.40 | Lou80 | sorry cache |
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| 23:29.20 | evilgeek | how does one get aptitude to stop trying to display non-ASCII characters? |
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| 23:30.04 | stew | Lou80: what about "apt-cache policy libc6"? |
| 23:30.07 | Lou80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.11 | Lou80 | :-) |
| 23:30.27 | stew | Lou80: ok, so you are running unstable, not stable |
| 23:30.29 | Lou80 | the vlc bit shouldn't matter |
| 23:31.06 | stew | Lou80: you upgraded libc6 to unstable, so you are pretty much running unstable. your choices are to finish upgrading to testing/unstable completely, or reinstall stable |
| 23:31.10 | Lou80 | sorry i thought i was running kernel 2.6.8 that meant i was running stable |
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| 23:31.30 | sid | Lou80: I would take choice A; and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 23:31.40 | Lou80 | i would like unstable completely |
| 23:31.49 | stew | Lou80: no, you put unstable sources in, and start installing packages which forced your libraries to upgrade to unstable |
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| 23:31.59 | sid | Lou80: Then do it. # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 23:32.00 | sid | have fun |
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| 23:32.05 | pickcoder | I've experienced horrors with apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:32.17 | Lou80 | stew yeah didn't know that was bad |
| 23:32.27 | Lou80 | sid thanks I'll try it |
| 23:32.37 | Lou80 | but not just yet |
| 23:32.40 | pickcoder | I also have horrible luck |
| 23:32.57 | dev52 | Lou80: are you sure? with unstable you are expected to solve your own problems |
| 23:33.02 | sid | I've never had any unexpected problems with dist-upgrade. |
| 23:33.09 | stew | Lou80: if a 2.6.16 kernel would work for you, i'd recommend reinstalling stable and using a backported 2.6.16 kernel |
| 23:33.15 | sid | Seems to always work with no problems for me. |
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| 23:33.23 | dev52 | as sometimes there is no answer to some problems yet |
| 23:33.28 | pickcoder | I had cross-dependancy issues when I tried going from woody to sarge a few years ago |
| 23:33.33 | pickcoder | ended up rebuilding the box from scratch |
| 23:33.33 | stew | Lou80: i would not recommend that you use unstable |
| 23:34.00 | evilgeek | another question: how does one unrar things in debian for amd64? |
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| 23:34.11 | Lou80 | stew the thing is 2.6.16 isn't able to make me wireless |
| 23:34.22 | pourriture | my company just gave me the job of finding a good isp in the toronto area ... we need a t-1 line in the toronto area ... I am from usa and I don't even know who are the players are up there ... anyone who has a good idea please join me in #debian-offtopic to offer advice |
| 23:34.23 | sid | Lou80: I don't recommend you use unstable either. But you shot yourself in the foot either way. You might as well fuck around and try unstable now before you format your hard diskd rive. |
| 23:34.25 | dev52 | evilgeek: using package unrar |
| 23:34.25 | sid | drive* |
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| 23:34.34 | pickcoder | Lou80, can you not compile that driver into 2.6.16? |
| 23:34.54 | sid | evilgeek: apt-get install unrar; from non-free for amd64 |
| 23:34.54 | Lou80 | pickcoder i guess i could |
| 23:35.00 | Cooner750 | Is it possible by any chance it all to upgrade to the latest version of Gnome? Using Sarge. And, I dont care if it's "unstable", everything unstable in the past has worked fine |
| 23:35.07 | pickcoder | Lou80: it will perform better as a kernel option than a module |
| 23:35.12 | dev52 | pourriture: you want someone as close as possible to you... typically you'll be getting the line from a phone company |
| 23:35.17 | sid | evilgeek: And if it doesn't exist apt-get source unrar; apt-get build-dep unrar; |
| 23:35.24 | pickcoder | though, you can't unload it if it's compiled into the kernel |
| 23:35.29 | pickcoder | trade-offs |
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| 23:35.53 | Lou80 | what will apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade actually do? modify my sources.list? so that it's all unstable?? |
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| 23:36.07 | sid | Lou80: no |
| 23:36.08 | dvs | Lou80: it won't modify your source.list |
| 23:36.10 | pourriture | dev52: and who are the canadian phone companies ? |
| 23:36.11 | arkaine | what file determines what windowmanager is started when starting X? (using xfree86) |
| 23:36.13 | ootput | ah, seems ubuntu went through hell with their latest xorg patch |
| 23:36.21 | ootput | o/t, i know, but funny nevertheless |
| 23:36.33 | dev52 | pourriture: they'd be listed in a canadian phone book |
| 23:36.58 | dvs | pourriture: Bell, Telus, SaskTel are a few |
| 23:37.11 | Lou80 | i reckon if kde had crashed my machine, It might have worked (delete working kernel, compile and install new kernel) |
| 23:37.18 | pourriture | dev52: I understand that ... I was looking for someone with some experience with the various providers |
| 23:37.20 | Lou80 | hadn't* |
| 23:37.32 | Cooner750 | Can anyone show me a guide to installing and configuring Splashy on Debian? |
| 23:38.23 | Ronin | Cooner750: read the install fine? |
| 23:38.23 | Lou80 | Is there an "unstable" net install business card cd?? or live cd? |
| 23:38.24 | Ronin | file |
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| 23:38.37 | pourriture | ootput: my wife has had a BITCH of a time with xorg on her FreeBSD box and a radeon 9200 ... I told her it may not be BSD specific ... |
| 23:38.40 | Lou80 | so i could miss out sarge |
| 23:38.57 | cafuego | pourriture: a 9200 will work fine out of the box on Linux. |
| 23:39.02 | Ronin | Lou80: no there isnt |
| 23:39.10 | ootput | pourriture: :) |
| 23:39.14 | Lou80 | maybe soon?? |
| 23:39.20 | Ronin | Lou80: not likely |
| 23:39.24 | pourriture | Ronin: you are here ... you were the person I wanted to ask :) |
| 23:39.28 | Ronin | Lou80: just install sarge and change your sources |
| 23:39.36 | Ronin | pourriture: :) |
| 23:39.51 | Lou80 | as in sources.list?? |
| 23:39.59 | Ronin | Lou80: yes |
| 23:40.05 | Lou80 | so that none say stable?? |
| 23:40.15 | Ronin | Lou80: just remember you best know how to fix it yourself if you run unstable |
| 23:40.27 | pourriture | Ronin: I left word in one of the less populated channels that we frequent |
| 23:40.33 | Ronin | so i see |
| 23:41.37 | Lou80 | just to clarify this dependency problem happend because i mixed stable and unstable in my sources.list?? |
| 23:41.38 | enouf | Lou80: Is your installation even salvageable at the moment ? - If so, Suggest you run Etch/testing, then if a 2.6.x kernel is necessary, either usee a module or backported kernel or compile the driver into your newer one -atleast you should/will have a 2.6.16 always around for booting into |
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| 23:42.15 | Ronin | Lou80: mixing sources is always a bad idea, if you need something newer backports is the way to go |
| 23:42.16 | Lou80 | enouf yeah sounds good |
| 23:42.30 | pourriture | Ronin: I didn't even know you were a debian guy .... we must convert bill .... they have got him on slackware for his vm |
| 23:42.43 | starfishy | i tested the debootstrap "could not download packages.gz" problem and found that it also failed with an official mirror, it just took longer |
| 23:42.54 | Lou80 | what is backports and how to i use it? |
| 23:43.10 | starfishy | in short debootstrap 0.3.3 on debian etch seems to have a problem with the format of packages.gz |
| 23:43.11 | Ronin | !tell Lou80 about backports |
| 23:43.20 | Lou80 | thanks |
| 23:43.27 | sid | Lou80: Are you doing a dist-upgrade now? |
| 23:43.28 | enouf | Lou80: so once you get that box running - use 'testing' only in your sources.list - this way ppl here will want to help you further |
| 23:43.41 | Ronin | enouf: or stable :) |
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| 23:44.12 | evilgeek | sid: is there nothing in stable, though? |
| 23:44.30 | enouf | Ronin : true ;-) = just that Lou80 doesn't seem/appear to need stable for running a server or anything... |
| 23:44.32 | Lou80 | enouf: what's the highest a testing kernel can go then 2.6.16? |
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| 23:44.44 | Ronin | enouf: stables my desktop |
| 23:44.47 | enouf | Lou80: I thnk so |
| 23:44.47 | sid | evilgeek: unrar is considered non-free. Because of the restrictions of the license regarding their source code. |
| 23:44.50 | enouf | *think |
| 23:45.07 | sid | evilgeek: You need to modify your sources.list to allow non-free |
| 23:45.45 | enouf | Lou80: but those always backports too - but I haven't looked there lately... so there's not 1 clear answer really |
| 23:45.51 | starfishy | if i use sarge instead of etch it doesnt even get as far as Packages.gz |
| 23:45.59 | Lou80 | should i "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" or make the initrd seperate after the kernel has compiled? |
| 23:46.01 | starfishy | it can't download 'Release' |
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| 23:46.11 | pourriture | enouf: my workstations are stable too ... except one dual piii-800 I have for sid ... its sole purpose is to answer co-workers questions about why linux is ugly :) |
| 23:46.15 | evilgeek | sid: i don't need to modify it, no, since rar/unrar are not in stable. is there anything that is in stable that will work? |
| 23:46.42 | enouf | Lou80: others can tell you that info -- I think you want need initramfs-tools ()for 2.6.13 and up , not initrd |
| 23:46.51 | Ronin | umm unrar is in stable, just in non-free iirc |
| 23:47.06 | dvs | Lou80: you want yaird on testing/etch |
| 23:47.11 | evilgeek | Ronin: not on x86-64. |
| 23:47.15 | Ronin | evilgeek: ahh |
| 23:47.47 | Ronin | pourriture: linux ugly? got one all sexed up for them with all the bells and whistles? |
| 23:47.50 | enouf | pourriture: hehehe - linux is b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l |
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| 23:47.58 | Mitsui_Sam | noite all! |
| 23:48.10 | enouf | !lart pourriture |
| 23:48.35 | Mitsui_Sam | deixa eu fazer uma pergunta, sem querer num vacilo maldito eu formatei uma partição ext3 com o mkswap, tem como reverter e recuperar os dados??? |
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| 23:48.42 | Mitsui_Sam | sorry |
| 23:48.46 | Mitsui_Sam | wrong channel |
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| 23:49.32 | pourriture | Ronin: e17 on the pretty box |
| 23:49.41 | enouf | Ronin: Lou80 : I belive Yaird is non-existent in the future - being phased out |
| 23:50.00 | Lou80 | sid: doing it now (apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 23:50.11 | dvs | Lou80: to what distro? |
| 23:50.16 | Ronin | Lou80: to what? |
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| 23:50.30 | enouf | Lou80 : speaking to "sid" or upgrading to sid ? |
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| 23:50.39 | pourriture | Linux altbier 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 #1 Mon Jul 17 01:39:03 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:50.51 | Lou80 | speacking to sid :-) |
| 23:50.52 | enouf | sid: chnage your nick please :-p |
| 23:50.54 | pourriture | so it is unofficial ... but it is cool |
| 23:51.16 | Ronin | Lou80: dist-upgrading to etch from sarge? |
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| 23:52.04 | Lou80 | Ronin not sure i just typed "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade@ |
| 23:52.11 | Ronin | Lou80: oh dear |
| 23:52.14 | Lou80 | "* |
| 23:52.21 | dvs | Lou80: what did you change in your sources.list? |
| 23:52.30 | Lou80 | nothing yet |
| 23:52.41 | sid | Ronin: no he already has unstable libc, he's just dist-upgrading the rest. |
| 23:52.54 | enouf | Ronin : I 'think' lou80 already has some of sid/etch being that libc6 is the testing/unstabel version |
| 23:52.59 | Ronin | ahh |
| 23:53.14 | dev52 | could that account for his boot problems? |
| 23:53.22 | Lou80 | sid no files have downloaded? what do i do next? |
| 23:53.28 | Ronin | Lou80: be patient |
| 23:53.33 | Lou80 | k |
| 23:53.38 | enouf | dev52: according to Lou80 - his kernel was removed "-p |
| 23:53.53 | Ronin | kernel was removed? dang kernel bandits |
| 23:53.56 | Lou80 | enouf yeah no question |
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| 23:54.02 | dev52 | maybe the package still exists |
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| 23:54.06 | sid | Lou80: What does your /etc/apt/sources.list file say? |
| 23:54.09 | enouf | dev52:from upgrading / mixing sources/versions |
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| 23:54.29 | SJr|Work | How do you get pppd to abort but actually close the modem port properly |
| 23:54.44 | ftp3 | so, i have been spending all day fighting with installing debian on a new amd 64 machine (new to me, not latest and greatest_ amd 64 3000+) and it will not detect my sata drives.. I was pointed to: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm by someone here and that got my farther, now when i see the partition screen (debian 3.1 r2 installer wont even see the drives at all) it shows blank space where the drives should be.. anyone seen this? |
| 23:55.02 | enouf | Ronin : i actually ran into that myself at one point moving from etch to sid (IIRC) , but I was smart enough to ask before I let it happen :[) |
| 23:55.05 | Lou80 | sid http://pastebin.ca/148240 |
| 23:55.17 | dev52 | some of these release mgrs and probably dpl wants things to work in those cases... we see the practical reasons why that won't be the case always |
| 23:55.35 | dvs | Lou80: unstable it is |
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| 23:56.14 | Lou80 | does unstable always take precedence of stable if both are listed? |
| 23:56.24 | Lou80 | over* |
| 23:56.40 | dev52 | ftp3: so what you did is buy hardware before reading compatibility list and other documents :) |
| 23:56.55 | dvs | Lou80: no, because unstable always has the newest packages. |
| 23:57.07 | enouf | Ronin : IIRC - it had to do with the libc6 stuff .. but could be mistaken - Gotta love 'apt-get -s install <packagename>' - Lou80, always use -s prior so you can see a simulation (mock run through) of what will occur - atleast till you're much more familiar |
| 23:57.10 | dvs | Lou80: you have to configure /etc/apt/preferences to control that. |
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| 23:57.32 | Cooner750 | is mirriors.kernel.org having problems? |
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| 23:57.46 | Lou80 | enouf will do in the future |
| 23:57.48 | dvs | Cooner750: people in here warn against that mirror |
| 23:57.54 | Caelum | is there an installer for sid? |
| 23:58.03 | maikol | is there a way to setup /etc/hosts to use the ip set by dhcp |
| 23:58.04 | dev52 | Cooner750: is foo.bar.porn.site.wow.com having problems? |
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| 23:58.12 | sid | Lou80: echo "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 23:58.15 | sid | Lou80: type that and you're set. |
| 23:58.21 | Lou80 | thanks |
| 23:58.33 | jlaw | is there a brain in my head? |
| 23:58.35 | jlaw | !brain |
| 23:58.36 | dpkg | something you don't have, jlaw. |
| 23:58.39 | jlaw | damn it |
| 23:58.47 | Cooner750 | security.debian.org does not appear to be working either |
| 23:58.48 | dvs | heh |
| 23:58.55 | EnsignRedshirt | Which log file has the errors that occurred while booting? |
| 23:59.02 | jlaw | gdn8 guys !-) |
| 23:59.22 | dev52 | isn't your jlaw below your brain? :) |
| 23:59.30 | dvs | Cooner750: security worked for me a couple of minutes ago |
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| 23:59.44 | Cooner750 | dvs: I get a 404 error |
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| 23:59.59 | dev52 | Cooner750: so the server is up |
