| 00:00.03 | abrotman | Triddle: i can't find anything in the BTS |
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| 00:00.20 | elementz | one more thing: how can i download a whole dir from my remote server via ssh? |
| 00:00.23 | Triddle | abrotman: thanks for looking, should I submit a bug report? |
| 00:00.26 | elementz | possible? |
| 00:01.03 | abrotman | Triddle: you're sure that if you run `apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade` .. nothing wants to be updated ? |
| 00:01.23 | Triddle | abrotman: running it now |
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| 00:02.46 | abrotman | crazy people suck |
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| 00:03.32 | streuner_ | calm down |
| 00:03.44 | abrotman | streuner_: i'm talking about my friend's ex |
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| 00:04.01 | stoned | !beer abrotman |
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| 00:04.10 | stoned | chill! |
| 00:04.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:04.12 | stoned | :) |
| 00:04.17 | elementz | anybody got an idea? |
| 00:04.18 | abrotman | he hasn't eaten since wednesday .. |
| 00:04.25 | stoned | damn |
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| 00:04.59 | elementz | stoned: ? |
| 00:05.17 | liable | elementz: scp -r foo@foo.host:/dir/you/want ./ |
| 00:05.26 | elementz | liable: thx |
| 00:06.02 | liable | elementz: scp has a man page too. you might want to check out rsync as well |
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| 00:06.53 | elementz | liable: my distro doesn't have those man pages for some reason |
| 00:07.12 | elementz | liable: do run scp on the remote box? |
| 00:07.15 | liable | elementz: your distro? |
| 00:07.25 | liable | elementz: scp uses ssh |
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| 00:07.28 | elementz | liable: vps linux |
| 00:07.31 | elementz | kk |
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| 00:08.25 | Triddle | abrotman: nothing to be updated |
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| 00:08.59 | abrotman | i guess file a bug |
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| 00:14.20 | freegan-bh | Having trouble creating a loopback dev to read a disk at boottime with losetup. error is ioctl: loop_set_status: invalid argument. Can someone help? |
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| 00:21.10 | minerale | what are the common names for a window manager? or rather for it's binary |
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| 00:23.04 | dev52 | minerale: george? |
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| 00:26.24 | troubled | elementz: that was a cool demo :) ty |
| 00:27.13 | elementz | troubled: np |
| 00:27.13 | troubled | elementz: very much like cpanel, mind you cpanel is like $1000US+ or something silly |
| 00:27.13 | elementz | troubled: ;-) |
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| 00:27.17 | dev52 | minerale: each wm has a different name for its binary |
| 00:27.19 | troubled | elementz: honestly, thats what I wish debian had. I nice web interface to set it up to do whatever. |
| 00:27.41 | troubled | elementz: that one www interface they have now is such a pig and sooo ugly hehe |
| 00:27.46 | dev52 | command line is plenty for doing that |
| 00:28.28 | troubled | dev52: well, command line is nice if you know how to configure everything. but if your into hosting, you better hope your backup admin knows just as much as you do |
| 00:28.30 | elementz | troubled: well actually the linux distro IS running on PLESK |
| 00:28.48 | elementz | troubled: it's a management console for your virtual server environment |
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| 00:29.03 | troubled | elementz: oh, so plesk is kinda like xen/vmware? |
| 00:29.05 | minerale | dev52: it's just that I'm used to this one's distro's habit of naming the default window mangager x-window-manager, so I could not remember the name for metacity |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | uh |
| 00:29.18 | elementz | hmm not really |
| 00:29.37 | troubled | elementz: what do you mean by the distro is running ON plesk? |
| 00:29.46 | elementz | see - if buy a shared server account from a hoster - what they sell you is space on a server |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | elementz: debian has that (at least on my box) |
| 00:30.11 | troubled | elementz: i thought plesk wasjust a app running in standalone to edit all the pam and conf files itself |
| 00:30.24 | pickcoder | dev52: to answer your question earlier about the debian virtual servers, Doug has setup a myriad of distros including Debian. The latest stuff he has running is Xen with FC5, but debian is an easy accomodation for anyone who wants it. |
| 00:30.50 | elementz | troubled: fuck mixed something up right now (actually working in virtuozzo same company) - you were right sorry |
| 00:30.56 | troubled | elementz: so you mean that you dont download and run plesk on your box? but you run it on their web servers? |
| 00:31.13 | elementz | troubled: was talking bout virtuozzo just now, sry ;-) |
| 00:31.18 | troubled | np |
| 00:31.52 | troubled | elementz: it makes you wonder why someone hasnt made something like plesk free for the community and shipped with debian :) |
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| 00:32.04 | troubled | elementz: i bet debian usage in hosting would sky rocket overnight hehe |
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| 00:32.27 | elementz | troubled: yeah strange huh? |
| 00:32.30 | dev52 | pickcoder: how does xen deal with ram? |
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| 00:33.05 | dev52 | pickcoder: do you have openacs customers? |
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| 00:33.14 | troubled | elementz: well, i would imagine that the time you would need to put into design of something like that would be insane, i can kinda see why you would wanna sell it and not gpl it :) |
| 00:33.38 | pickcoder | dev52: you'd have to ask the Xen master about that @ EasyCo. <G> |
| 00:34.02 | pickcoder | dev52: no, I know the owner/guru who runs the service farm |
| 00:34.28 | dev52 | ahh |
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| 00:35.10 | pickcoder | dev52: from what I know, it's all custom bred stuff |
| 00:35.52 | pickcoder | dev52: they have tons of customers and I'm considering getting one myself. $15US a month for a basic dedicated Linux server is beans |
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| 00:36.22 | dev52 | what's their url |
| 00:36.23 | pickcoder | dev52: www.easyco.com |
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| 00:37.39 | pickcoder | dev52: they are Pick database focused in services, but you can get just a Debian install if you want it. |
| 00:37.50 | abrotman | hehe .. pick .. |
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| 00:37.58 | Daemoz | !dpkg sex |
| 00:37.58 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 00:38.08 | abrotman | oh .. now it makes sense |
| 00:38.25 | abrotman | pickcoder: how many pick developers are there these days? i know one |
| 00:38.28 | pickcoder | abrotman: don't say "oh.. _that_ dinosaur?" |
| 00:38.34 | pickcoder | *grumble* |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: don't feel bad .. i didn't know pick existed until i met this guy |
| 00:39.00 | pickcoder | actually.. there are far more sits running IBM Universe/Unidata or D3 than you may think |
| 00:39.06 | pickcoder | s/sits/sites |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | i'm sure there are |
| 00:39.30 | pickcoder | OpenQM is the latest initiative in the OSS world |
| 00:39.35 | pickcoder | even though it's dual-licensed |
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| 00:41.17 | abrotman | so people still use it huh ? |
| 00:41.32 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:41.59 | pickcoder | yup and relational DBs are finally moving towards hashed data stores |
| 00:42.07 | pickcoder | but don't get me started on that one |
| 00:42.08 | ootput | hm, how do i tag multiple items in mc? |
| 00:42.09 | pickcoder | <G> |
| 00:42.15 | ootput | <space>? |
| 00:42.23 | ootput | ah |
| 00:42.55 | amphi | ootput: t or ctrl-t? |
| 00:43.22 | dev52 | I'll look into that... got it bookmarked |
| 00:43.43 | dev52 | anyways I'm out |
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| 00:54.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 00:54.55 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
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| 00:55.00 | abrotman | why me?! |
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| 00:55.29 | lou80 | hi guys, some good news... |
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| 00:56.32 | abrotman | you saved a bunch of money on your car insurance ? |
| 00:56.37 | lou80 | http://pastebin.ca/149677 |
| 00:57.22 | JoelR | Hello, i have this problem when i execute 'xspim' and minimize it, and after i try to restore it, it "crash" and in console it gives me this error: Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion |
| 00:57.22 | JoelR | Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset |
| 00:57.22 | JoelR | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.23 | abrotman | you didn't follow the instructions |
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| 00:57.31 | abrotman | lou80: ^^ |
| 00:58.13 | lou80 | enouf, you here? |
| 00:58.39 | lou80 | abrotman, quite an adventure I had |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | lou80: you didn't follow the instructions |
| 00:59.25 | lou80 | what instructions? about mixing stable and unstable? |
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| 00:59.51 | plAnadecU | hi |
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| 01:00.03 | plAnadecU | i need help using regexp |
| 01:00.13 | lou80 | there aren't enough instructions on packages.debian.org |
| 01:01.03 | plAnadecU | any of you know a regexp to catch url in a <a href="url">url</a> tag? thanks in advice |
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| 01:02.02 | abrotman | you could use awk |
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| 01:02.14 | abrotman | lou80: no .. when you try to install that udev .. it tells oyu what to do |
| 01:02.39 | lou80 | what run apt-get -f install?????????????????/ |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | !ep |
| 01:03.02 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, elipse, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
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| 01:03.30 | lou80 | what's up abrotman having a bad day??????? |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | no .. you can't read |
| 01:04.00 | lou80 | can't read the instructions about udev? |
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| 01:04.24 | joe09 | hi, i have my php source on a server, and i want to encrypt (not encode) that source, but still be able to use it, are there any modules in general, not necessarily php, that can do this with apache? |
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| 01:04.37 | lou80 | or about excessive punctuation :-) |
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| 01:04.46 | abrotman | joe09: ask #php |
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| 01:06.04 | lou80 | abrotman are you saying i lost my icons because i didn't follow the instruction about installing udev? |
| 01:06.13 | grencez | alright, i've got a question... my sound isn't working, could someone help me out with this? |
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| 01:06.31 | abrotman | did you finish the dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:06.36 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 01:06.46 | max_ | i have xp and ubuntu installed and i'm going to install debian i386 on a free space of the hhd. any issue that is to no about ? |
| 01:06.54 | grencez | thanks |
| 01:07.03 | lou80 | probably not, reckon that'll fix it? |
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| 01:08.26 | abrotman | !tell grencez about alsa-checklist |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | lou80: eithe rthat or make it worse eh ? |
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| 01:08.56 | fusion | Hello, I have a slight issue. I am running Debian on a dedicated server, installed it just now, but the partition isnt allocated properly... It is a 250GB hard drive and only about 1GB is allocated (to /) in fdisk I see sda2 but I cannot seem to mount it... Any ideas? |
| 01:08.59 | lou80 | you crack me up |
| 01:08.59 | Werdna | fucking hell |
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| 01:09.06 | Werdna | some nitwit in this channel keeps impersonating me |
| 01:09.21 | Werdna | hmm.. offline now |
| 01:09.21 | werdna2 | hehe |
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| 01:09.25 | werdna2 | :-))) |
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| 01:10.00 | deadcat | Werdna: the other guy hates you that much? |
| 01:10.39 | max_ | fusion: have you tryed: sudo mount /dev/sda2 ? |
| 01:10.56 | Werdna | deadcat, it's a guy called Daniel Brandt AFAICT |
| 01:11.14 | Werdna | the hostmask leads there. |
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| 01:11.21 | Werdna | werdna__ is their nick now |
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| 01:11.27 | deadcat | damn |
| 01:11.44 | Werdna | deadcat, a well-known wikipedia troll |
| 01:11.49 | Werdna | :o |
| 01:11.51 | deadcat | ah |
| 01:12.15 | dn4 | some bloak took my alias weRDna |
| 01:12.23 | Werdna | dn4, I'm werdna. |
| 01:12.25 | dn4 | whic is my first named spelled backwards, I was angry to say the least |
| 01:12.34 | Werdna | I've had the nick registered for about six to eight months. |
| 01:13.05 | dn4 | well We_R_DNA backwards = my real name :P |
| 01:13.15 | fusion | max_ I am logged in as root.. it simply informs me it cannot find it in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab.. I tried adding it manually but this proved to be a bad idea :P |
| 01:13.17 | Werdna | dn4, I know, it's the same for me. |
| 01:13.24 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 01:13.25 | dn4 | word Werdna :) |
| 01:13.25 | Werdna | My name is Andrew as well - it's not an unusual idea. |
| 01:13.38 | dn4 | Werdna, when did you discovery the idea? |
| 01:13.48 | Werdna | unfortunately, you'll have to pick another nick - because I registered this one first. |
| 01:13.52 | fusion | abrotman shall I pastebin that? |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | fusion: sure |
| 01:14.02 | max_ | fusion: have you tryed whereis command |
| 01:14.04 | dn4 | Werdna, I registered this one dn4 |
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| 01:14.27 | deadcat | dn4: i doubt he cares. |
| 01:14.33 | mavhc | There are 4 simultaneous Brandts within a single rotation of Earth |
| 01:14.36 | fusion | http://pastebin.com/776127 |
| 01:14.43 | fusion | max_, what would I be looking for? |
| 01:14.44 | deadcat | dn4: and stop bitching. your not the ONLY one name andrew.. shit |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | use pastebin.ca |
| 01:14.59 | Werdna | anyway, time for /part |
| 01:15.00 | dn4 | mavhc, what is a Brandts? |
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| 01:15.11 | abrotman | fusion: what's the problem ? |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | fusion: paste df -h |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | can i borrow someone's GPS device? |
| 01:15.36 | dn4 | http://mah.50webs.com/mcarribianeirz4.html <-- eat that deadcat |
| 01:15.48 | mavhc | some kind of crazy troll |
| 01:15.50 | deadcat | !ops dn4 spamming |
| 01:15.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: deadcat complains about: dn4 spamming |
| 01:16.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 01:16.03 | *** kick/#debian [dn4!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-69-149-215-178.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | yay! ... |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | !beer peterS |
| 01:16.21 | fusion | http://pastebin.ca/149688 |
| 01:16.29 | peterS | I have no idea what kind of site that is he pointed to, but he seems a bit rude |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | he's been that way for a while |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | he and _rynz- |
| 01:16.41 | fusion | abrotman, I am trying to use all of the disk space instead of just 1gb out of about 250gb |
| 01:16.56 | deadcat | peterS: probably something naster. |
| 01:17.02 | abrotman | fusion: that's not df -h |
| 01:17.02 | deadcat | nasty |
| 01:17.11 | fusion | abrotman at the top it is.. in description |
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| 01:17.18 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | fusion: df is misreporting |
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| 01:18.55 | fusion | o.O |
| 01:19.23 | neoxan | hey all |
| 01:19.34 | neoxan | i just installed fluxbox, but xchat looks bad :s |
| 01:19.42 | fusion | abrotman does that mean that the partition is really ~250GB |
| 01:19.43 | neoxan | what do i need to make it look good? |
| 01:19.43 | neoxan | ^^ |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | fusion: looks that way |
| 01:19.54 | pickcoder | fusion: sda1 has 241GB in it |
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| 01:20.04 | fusion | oh.. ok... |
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| 01:20.28 | fusion | I dont suppose anyone knows how i might get df to report correctly? |
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| 01:21.50 | abrotman | i mean .. this app is just crazy |
| 01:21.59 | Ash-Fox | What is dpkg-reconfigure command for reconfiguring xorg's fonts? |
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| 01:23.32 | pickcoder | fusion: what kernel are you running? |
| 01:23.56 | deadcat | Ash-Fox: xorg's fonts? |
| 01:24.23 | lou80 | abrotman just finished the dist-upgrade, wish me luck you cheeky bastard |
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| 01:24.38 | Ash-Fox | There was a lovely dpkg-reconfigure option that let me change the hinting styles and such depending if I was using windows fonts and all that? |
| 01:24.49 | fusion | pickcoder: 2.6.16-2-amd64-generic |
| 01:24.58 | grigora | does anyone know what could cause this warning: Warning: [8/25/2006 6:15:32 PM] (Could not verify encoder profile) - Pipeline profile 'Lame MP3' will be unavailable: GStreamer pipeline 'lame' could not be run? thanks! |
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| 01:25.17 | abrotman | !bless lou80 |
| 01:25.18 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child lou80, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 01:25.43 | lou80 | LOL, very good |
| 01:26.04 | deadcat | Ash-Fox: try to source /etc/bash_completion, then dpkg-reconfigure tabtab and go through the list |
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| 01:26.29 | Ash-Fox | deadcat, thanks |
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| 01:29.09 | fusion | hmm.. shouldnt dpkg-reconfigure base-config work? it just says it isnt installed |
| 01:30.38 | lou80 | abrotman your blessing worked!! |
| 01:30.44 | abrotman | base-config doesn't exist on etch/sid |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | fusion: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:31.10 | pickcoder | fusion: I have no idea why df is misreporting the partition size |
| 01:31.21 | fusion | oh.. |
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| 01:31.35 | fusion | abrotman just running apt-get update I get locale errors.. |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:37.19 | abrotman | creepy app! |
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| 01:37.41 | abrotman | lou80: all working ? |
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| 01:38.57 | leo32 | installed netinst -100 mb cd- and i installed the desktop environment. but when system boots there is only command line. how can i switch to desktop environment. sorry for my ignorance |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | what window manager? |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | do you want a GUI login manager? |
| 01:39.33 | leo32 | dunno it said only desktop environment. |
| 01:39.45 | leo32 | a 49 mb download and installed after |
| 01:39.48 | leo32 | yes |
| 01:40.18 | jlaw | baaaaa |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | do you use gnome/kde/soemthingelse ? |
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| 01:40.27 | jlaw | i'm so fuckin drunk -.- |
| 01:40.43 | dn4 | Anyone know how I could view this animated loop of Tropical storm Ernesto http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-bd.html |
| 01:40.57 | abrotman | dn4: wrong channel |
| 01:40.57 | leo32 | abrotman: how can i install and run kde from the command line |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | leo32: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system-core |
| 01:41.11 | jlaw | apt-get install kde |
| 01:41.16 | jack_ | Hi, I had Apache installed and then removed it (I think). Then I installed apache 2. Now I don't have any /etc/apache2 or config files...any ideas? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | jack_: you just asked in the other #debian! |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | !tell jack_ about confmiss |
| 01:42.00 | lou80 | abrotman yeah everything is beautiful |
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| 01:42.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:42.08 | leo32 | abrotman: how to start after installing |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | leo32: should start automagically |
| 01:42.29 | leo32 | ok i ll give it a try |
| 01:42.57 | jlaw | !tell jack_ -about alcohol |
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| 01:44.32 | jlaw | leo32 "/etc/init.d/kdm start" |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 01:44.45 | jlaw | ouh |
| 01:44.53 | jlaw | well ... i'm still drunk |
| 01:45.05 | abrotman | shocker |
| 01:45.17 | jlaw | me? |
| 01:45.31 | jlaw | you've even seen me |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 01:45.53 | jlaw | pretty sure |
| 01:46.15 | jlaw | have a look at donjesus.dyndns.org ... there you can see me !-) |
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| 01:46.23 | abrotman | i mean .. i could be your neighbor five houses down! yay intarweb |
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| 01:46.43 | jlaw | you're even german, so you won't be my neighbour |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | i'm what? |
| 01:47.27 | eldowan | abrotman: you're German? |
| 01:47.45 | jlaw | i said you're not ... even means "not" in that context |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:48.05 | jlaw | at least i think so |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | my last name looks german eh ? |
| 01:48.20 | jlaw | but as i'm german my englich has not to be perfect !-) |
| 01:49.13 | sussudio | ach rly? |
| 01:49.24 | stranger_stone | jlaw you need to give up smoke |
| 01:49.31 | stranger_stone | Makes you bad |
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| 01:49.45 | jlaw | i've not been smokin for more than two years now |
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| 01:49.56 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | badgers: love me |
| 01:50.06 | jlaw | but i'm still drunk |
| 01:50.12 | stranger_stone | that good lol but you got one picture there lol |
| 01:50.45 | jlaw | stanger_stone, which one? |
| 01:50.57 | stranger_stone | the 1.jpg LOl dah |
| 01:50.58 | stranger_stone | o0 |
| 01:50.59 | stranger_stone | 0o |
| 01:51.04 | jlaw | wait a sec |
| 01:51.05 | stranger_stone | .png |
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| 01:51.27 | birmaan | jlaw,expensive powersulpply |
| 01:51.28 | jlaw | it's a png |
| 01:51.34 | struct | abrotman: badgers? we dont need no stinking badgers! |
| 01:51.37 | stranger_stone | lol right i roung is one ong |
| 01:51.37 | jlaw | birman, indeeed |
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| 01:51.40 | jlaw | -e |
| 01:51.57 | jlaw | you meant that way of smokin |
| 01:52.02 | struct | mmmm guinness |
| 01:52.17 | jlaw | so than i'm still smokin, thought you mean smokin hashish |
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| 01:53.37 | jlaw | *then |
| 01:53.59 | swamptoo | whats teh easiest way to upgrade to kde 3.5.4 ?? |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 01:54.12 | jlaw | baaaa ... i gotta extrude some beer |
| 01:54.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | Damn |
| 01:54.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | those guys in #perl are fucking pricks |
| 01:55.16 | grencez | it'll be a dead language someday anyway |
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| 01:55.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | grencez, like every language |
| 01:55.49 | grencez | yes, but i like to be optomistic here |
| 01:56.29 | jlaw | birmaan, but this psu is worth every cent |
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| 01:56.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | peterS, There's like years you see me here, I suspect you to know I'm not a damn stupid script kiddie somehow, thanks for the help man, my case was real |
| 01:56.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | but well, whatever |
| 01:57.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | I'll code my shit in C, will just take a little more time |
| 01:57.14 | simonrvn | couple at least |
| 01:57.31 | jlaw | has someone seen my teleguidance? |
| 01:57.40 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: I don't know you well enough to vouch for you to people who don't know you, though |
| 01:57.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | right |
| 01:57.54 | simonrvn | and no you are a script kiddie, just haven't admitted it to yourself yet :P |
| 01:57.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | I just asked why perl blocks me |
| 01:57.59 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 01:58.10 | Ox0F0-0FF | and i was very honest in what i was doing |
| 01:58.20 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: Somni didn't block you, he just agreed with the rest of them about not wishing to help you |
| 01:58.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | simonrvn, :) |
| 01:58.21 | simonrvn | i for one appreciate honesty |
| 01:58.32 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: merlyn wanted you to leave, but he has no authority, somni is an op and merlyn isn't |
| 01:58.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | petemc, ok, just i think merlyn is a stupid shit |
| 01:58.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | but well |
| 01:58.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | whatever |
| 01:59.04 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: he's a very smart man (check /whois and see if you recognise the name) but I agree that sometimes he's quite unfriendly |
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| 01:59.25 | simonrvn | it's ok. it'll settle down. show up more often, and they'll realise you aren't one, and were serious |
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| 01:59.35 | simonrvn | a kiddie wouldn't go back |
| 01:59.41 | peterS | I don't know that I like him very well personally. I have a lot of respect for his abilities, but that's not the same thing. I think it's good that he _isn't_ an op in #perl. |
| 02:00.17 | simonrvn | the time i was an op here wasn't a good time for me, and others. i was too severe IMO |
| 02:00.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | peterS, Well, i don't reconise the name, I agree my question can be suspect even if honest... but anyways, i expected something for in the community spirit |
| 02:00.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, he lacks badly of maturity |
| 02:01.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | may he be smart |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | uh .. /whois isn't very helpful IMO |
| 02:01.19 | simonrvn | i was going through a rough time, and took it out on people. not cool. |
| 02:01.23 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: he helped write one of the best-selling O'Reilly books of all time, "Programming Perl" (known as the Camel Book). he's one of the top few perl people in the world. but that doesn't make him a nice guy. |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | simonrvn: i'd ban you too! |
| 02:01.40 | jlaw | well ... ops are ok as long as they are not from austria |
| 02:01.46 | elementz | hi |
| 02:01.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | Sometimes I just lose faith in the word "community" works well for debian or fbsd but other than this... |
| 02:01.58 | jlaw | last time we germans gave op to an austrian he started a world war |
| 02:02.05 | elementz | can anybody tell me what this error means? : http://pastebin.com/776150 |
| 02:02.39 | peterS | jlaw: does debian have any ops from .at? I'm not aware of any, but that means little |
| 02:02.40 | simonrvn | abrotman: well, i don't think it merited banning, but it did certainly merit a +q |
| 02:02.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | peterS, would you accept to tell me why perl is blocking me please or should i ask somewhere else with a fake story ? |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | simonrvn: +b!!!!!!!! |
| 02:03.12 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: nobody is "blocking" you, just refusing to answer your question. |
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| 02:03.18 | simonrvn | yeh, whatever, hehe |
| 02:03.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | petemc, I didn't mean #perl, i mean perl |
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| 02:03.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | "permission denied" |
| 02:03.48 | elementz | guys - can you help? i really am stuck :-( |
| 02:03.49 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: oh. your actual question. I don't think I know. |
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| 02:04.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | Okay, well, I'll ask with a fake question |
| 02:04.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | thank anyways |
| 02:04.19 | zinx | i hate to be an ass (ok, i don't), but this is all off-topic :/ |
| 02:04.39 | simonrvn | elementz: that's a reported bug. see the BTS |
| 02:04.43 | sl1ck | hi, I build a kernel from 2.6.17 and I enabled radeonfb but the boot process hangs after it identifies the monitor, is there any way to enable framebuffer console for an x800 agp radeon card? |
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| 02:04.58 | elementz | simonrvn: bts? whats that? n00b here |
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| 02:05.02 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 02:05.03 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 02:05.11 | fusion | Has anyone used / seen any shoutcast management systems for debian? |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: have you ever been in #debian before ? |
| 02:05.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, It's been like 3 or 4 years I'm here |
| 02:05.45 | jlaw | !wtf |
| 02:05.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | You helped me a bunch of times too... |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | no way! |
| 02:05.58 | elementz | simonrvn: well i think it's some sort of suse buck while installing debian? |
| 02:06.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 02:06.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | yes |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | i remember 0x0F0-0FF .. but not starting with an O |
| 02:06.21 | simonrvn | elementz: eh? |
| 02:06.33 | Ox0F0-0FF | because IRC doesn't allow nicks starting by a number |
| 02:06.33 | abrotman | canuck! |
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| 02:06.44 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: i'm just being a pain |
| 02:06.47 | peterS | fusion: apt-cache search shoutcast. I think you'll notice that debian ships icecast, a competing server, and that's what we mainly support |
| 02:06.47 | elementz | simonrvn: installing debian on remote server running suse ;-) |
| 02:06.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh :P |
| 02:06.56 | elementz | simonrvn: kinda compliacted |
| 02:07.08 | fusion | peterS ah thank you |
| 02:07.26 | jlaw | damn it ... where is my f*ck*ng remote control |
| 02:07.29 | simonrvn | elementz: oh, well, you'll also see that when you have binaries looking for a certain glibc version, and they get another |
| 02:07.47 | elementz | simonrvn: hmm kk |
| 02:07.59 | simonrvn | !tell elementz about debtakeover |
| 02:08.08 | simonrvn | little late, but might still help |
| 02:08.16 | elementz | huh? |
| 02:08.22 | simonrvn | read what the bot said |
| 02:08.29 | jlaw | !seen remotecontrol |
| 02:08.30 | dpkg | jlaw: i haven't seen 'remotecontrol' |
| 02:09.08 | elementz | simonrvn: huh am i blind? |
| 02:09.15 | elementz | ahh |
| 02:09.16 | elementz | sry |
| 02:09.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | People like abrotman, peterS, dondelelcaro, cafuego and vulture have helped me a bunch of times.... as I try to help people around when i can |
| 02:09.24 | simonrvn | see a new /msg or /query window in your client |
| 02:09.34 | cafuego | abuse! |
| 02:09.35 | Ox0F0-0FF | but vulture was The_Vulture or something before |
| 02:09.35 | jlaw | !tell elementz -about debtakeover |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: i'm just being a hardass .. i remember |
| 02:09.47 | elementz | got it |
| 02:09.54 | jlaw | dimonrvn ... you forgot the "-", it's "-about" |
| 02:10.02 | simonrvn | that doesn't matter |
| 02:10.11 | jlaw | i think it does |
| 02:10.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | simonrvn, helped me too |
| 02:10.14 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh |
| 02:10.23 | abrotman | ok .. stop namedropping now :) |
| 02:10.25 | simonrvn | the difference is that 'about' will not show it to you, only the person you're sending it to |
| 02:10.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe, ok |
| 02:10.34 | simonrvn | woops meant '-about' |
| 02:10.35 | Ox0F0-0FF | just wanted to say thanks :P |
| 02:10.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | anyhow, I'll go to bed now |
| 02:10.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | nite everyone |
| 02:10.50 | elementz | simonrvn: that working on remote server? |
| 02:10.52 | jlaw | gdn8, mate |
| 02:10.54 | simonrvn | 'about' will show it to both people |
| 02:11.01 | cafuego | you can't namedrop me, you'd be guilty by association |
| 02:11.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 02:11.08 | elementz | simonrvn: i mean i need to setup all kinds of files |
| 02:11.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 02:11.19 | jlaw | !tell me about brain |
| 02:11.23 | jlaw | !tell me -about brain |
| 02:11.29 | simonrvn | that won't work |
| 02:11.31 | jlaw | hrm |
| 02:11.46 | jlaw | normally "me" works ... at least it use to work |
| 02:11.47 | simonrvn | well, people have done it successfully, if that's what you mean |
| 02:11.53 | simonrvn | elementz: ^^ |
| 02:11.56 | jlaw | !tell me -about kde |
| 02:12.04 | simonrvn | jlaw: sec |
| 02:12.06 | jlaw | ou ... i'm so stupid |
| 02:12.12 | simonrvn | !tell jlaw -about kde |
| 02:12.13 | jlaw | it worked^^ |
| 02:12.15 | simonrvn | !tell jlaw about kde |
| 02:12.25 | elementz | kk |
| 02:12.26 | elementz | thx |
| 02:12.33 | jlaw | i had a separate window open for dpkg |
| 02:12.40 | simonrvn | "dpkg | told jlaw about kde." "dpkg | told jlaw about kde (it has been ..." |
| 02:12.45 | cafuego | why is it that the cats only ever come to me when I'm installing new HDDs? |
| 02:13.00 | jlaw | ok ... "about" works without "-" |
| 02:13.04 | peterS | cafuego: now there's a good question |
| 02:13.07 | simonrvn | of course :) |
| 02:13.19 | jlaw | ^^ |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | cafuego: mmm .. static! |
| 02:13.31 | jlaw | at least i've an excuse |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | jlaw: good night |
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| 02:13.44 | dada | http://www.djdada.dl.am RnB/HipHop Songs to Download & Musicclips! check it out ;) |
| 02:13.54 | jlaw | gdn8 abrotman |
| 02:13.57 | abrotman | dada: go away |
| 02:14.00 | cafuego | ahaa! the little one is after the silica gel pouches |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | jlaw: i thought you were going ? |
| 02:14.06 | peterS | !say enough about KDE already, you should all know about KDE by now |
| 02:14.06 | dpkg | enough about KDE already, you should all know about KDE by now |
| 02:14.06 | swamptoo | i was wondering why I don't have a logon screen when debian starts where i can choose which environment to boot into? |
| 02:14.12 | jlaw | erm ... not really XP |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | dada: i hope your roof falls in on your head |
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| 02:14.40 | jlaw | i'm still searching my remotecontrol ... and for fuck sake i can#t google for it |
| 02:14.47 | peterS | dada: you're offtopic |
| 02:14.56 | abrotman | that's usually called spamming |
| 02:14.59 | peterS | dada: if you have nothing Debian-related to discuss, please go away |
| 02:15.04 | simonrvn | please remove it/him//her/whatever |
| 02:15.21 | eldowan | swamptoo: are you using xdm/kdm/gdm? |
| 02:15.24 | cafuego | Even if hiphop or rnb were debian related, go away |
| 02:15.58 | eldowan | cafuego: You wouldn't love to hear debian centric soul? |
| 02:16.04 | jlaw | eldowan ... just ask for ?dm ... there are many dms more !-) |
| 02:16.20 | cafuego | eldowan: spoon in eyeball |
| 02:16.26 | eldowan | :) |
| 02:16.30 | jlaw | HAHA ... i found it |
| 02:16.35 | eldowan | jlaw: Those were the ones that popped into my head. |
| 02:16.52 | eldowan | !present jlaw |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | !prize jlaw |
| 02:17.07 | jlaw | =) |
| 02:17.12 | eldowan | I tried |
| 02:17.14 | peterS | jlaw: ewwww. dude, at least rinse it off after it's been in there |
| 02:17.18 | dada | http://www.djdada.dl.am RnB/HipHop Songs to Download & Musicclips! check it out ;) |
| 02:17.19 | simonrvn | "hey booboo" |
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| 02:17.30 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 02:17.35 | *** mode/#debian [+b %dada!*@*] by peterS |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | stupid people suck |
| 02:17.39 | jlaw | peterS ... hrhrhr ... wanna lick it? |
| 02:17.42 | swamptoo | eldowan i have kdm and xdm installed |
| 02:17.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 02:18.09 | swamptoo | i want kdm should i uninstall xdm to make it work correctly? |
| 02:18.12 | eldowan | swamptoo: Do you know which ?dm you are using? |
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| 02:18.25 | swamptoo | nope |
| 02:18.34 | elementz | simonrvn: sry, for that noob question: but how do i run debtakeover when uncompressed? |
| 02:18.36 | swamptoo | is there a palce to choose? |
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| 02:18.49 | eldowan | swamptoo: If you know you want kdm, I don't know a problem that removing xdm would casue... |
| 02:19.03 | simonrvn | elementz: i've never used it, i just know it's there, and people have used it successfully |
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| 02:19.13 | eldowan | swamptoo: I'm not sure, but you could try dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 02:19.13 | elementz | hmm |
| 02:19.27 | elementz | anybody else know how to run debtakeover? |
| 02:19.42 | simonrvn | i assume there's a README and such |
| 02:19.49 | hobophobe | How do I get libata kernel module? |
| 02:19.55 | fusion | its rather easy last time i did it |
| 02:20.03 | fusion | you just execute it |
| 02:21.20 | jlaw | swamptoo, you do not need to remove xdm, just "dpkg-reconfigure xdm" and it will prompt you for which dm you want to use |
| 02:21.27 | peterS | hobophobe: you use a debian kernel rather than compiling your own, as I told you just now in the other #debian |
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| 02:21.32 | swamptoo | ok i will try that |
| 02:21.47 | jlaw | wait a sec |
| 02:22.03 | jlaw | swamptoo, i meant "depkg-reconfigure kdm" |
| 02:22.09 | jlaw | -e -.- |
| 02:22.10 | simonrvn | dpkg, heh |
| 02:22.10 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 02:22.12 | jlaw | swamptoo, i meant "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" |
| 02:22.14 | hobophobe | I'm using a debian kernel, how do I activate the module? |
| 02:22.19 | swamptoo | ok jlaw |
| 02:22.28 | eldowan | jlaw: Hah I beat you to it... :) |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | hobophobe: modprobe |
| 02:22.42 | hobophobe | ah |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | or modconf |
| 02:23.06 | peterS | hobophobe: you don't generally want "just libata", you want a libata-based driver for your specific ATA / SATA chipset |
| 02:23.24 | peterS | so like 'modprobe ata_piix' for example, for Intel ICH series ATA/SATA chips |
| 02:23.49 | swamptoo | o man now im at a terminal when i rebooted |
| 02:24.08 | simonrvn | oh noz :P |
| 02:24.19 | eldowan | swamptoo: login, and startx |
| 02:24.20 | jlaw | peterS, you not by chance call yourself mixx0r, do you? |
| 02:24.25 | peterS | no |
| 02:24.28 | jlaw | k |
| 02:24.48 | jlaw | just had a dejavue because of your problem with the ich |
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| 02:25.08 | peterS | not my problem with ICH, I just gave an example libata module name |
| 02:25.10 | swamptoo | when i do startx, it says i cant connec to xserver |
| 02:25.35 | eldowan | swamptoo: What is the reason? look for "Fatal error" or some such |
| 02:25.37 | jlaw | swamptoo, that does not come in handy |
| 02:25.46 | cafuego | So you have an xserver installed? |
| 02:26.28 | swamptoo | mmmm |
| 02:26.52 | swamptoo | im rebooting, i put xdm back on |
| 02:27.16 | jlaw | swamptoo, are you using etch? |
| 02:27.19 | swamptoo | i uninstalled xdm is why i got that error im sure |
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| 02:27.54 | swamptoo | nopt sure if im using etch.....i'm new to linux |
| 02:28.15 | myren | what port is ssh? 22? |
| 02:28.19 | swamptoo | im at a terminal again now :( |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | myren: grep ssh /etc/services |
| 02:28.32 | hobophobe | peterS, okay, good deal. Now do I just reboot, it will remember the module should be loaded, and it will then see my drive and I can fdisk? |
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| 02:28.37 | eldowan | swamptoo: What is the reason that startx fails? look for "Fatal error" or some such |
| 02:28.45 | jlaw | erm ... have a look into /etc/apt/sources.list and have a look if the last entry is stable, unstable or testing |
| 02:28.50 | simonrvn | getent services ssh |
| 02:28.55 | swamptoo | server is already active for display 0 |
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| 02:29.07 | eldowan | swamptoo: Press Alt+F7 |
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| 02:29.11 | abrotman | dada: go away |
| 02:29.20 | peterS | abrotman: he's still +q, he's harmless |
| 02:29.23 | simonrvn | haha, dada is back thinking he'll be able to post his spam |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | peterS: i know |
| 02:29.33 | peterS | hobophobe: if you want a module to be loaded at boot time, you probably want to add it to /etc/modules |
| 02:29.36 | jlaw | swamptoo ... do "/etc/init.d/?dm restart" where ?dm is your installed siplay manager |
| 02:29.37 | hobophobe | okay |
| 02:29.43 | swamptoo | 8;3: Server error. |
| 02:29.56 | elementz | simonrvn: maybe you can read this at the bottom of page? i honestly don't really get it |
| 02:30.11 | elementz | simonrvn: have already installed depbootstrap |
| 02:30.27 | simonrvn | the debtakeover page? |
| 02:30.33 | hobophobe | Since it will require libata, I'm assuming just add the sata_ module that I need, it will automatically cause libata? |
| 02:30.41 | peterS | yes |
| 02:30.41 | elementz | simonrvn: sry: http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/README |
| 02:30.49 | simonrvn | i'm there |
| 02:30.54 | elementz | ah |
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| 02:31.12 | elementz | simonrvn: installed debootstrap |
| 02:31.14 | peterS | hobophobe: note also that since libata drivers use the scsi subsystem, if you want to use disks connected to those controllers, you need the sd_mod module |
| 02:31.32 | simonrvn | ok. is it in your PATH? do which debootstrap |
| 02:31.40 | jlaw | so, abrotman, now i really go to bed !-) |
| 02:31.43 | jlaw | gdn8 mates |
| 02:31.47 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 02:31.51 | elementz | simonrvn: i really don't get this PATH thing |
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| 02:32.02 | elementz | simonrvn: same as $PATH? |
| 02:32.26 | hobophobe | peterS, yes. The sd_mod and scsi_mod were already there, which is why I was thinking that libata was something I'd need to recompile my kernel for. But you've straightened it out. Thanks a lot. I'm going to reboot and see this works now :o) |
| 02:32.28 | simonrvn | PATH is an environment variable that contains what directories are set to find binaries, script, etc., that you can execute |
| 02:32.31 | swamptoo | well i'm still at terminal |
| 02:32.37 | swamptoo | nothing is working |
| 02:32.40 | elementz | simonrvn: where can i find it? |
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| 02:32.49 | swamptoo | cant start xdm or kdm |
| 02:32.53 | elementz | simonrvn: and what do i need to modify? |
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| 02:32.58 | simonrvn | do what i said ^^ 'which debootstrap' |
| 02:33.02 | freeone3000 | elementz: Environment variables arn't PLACES. To find out the vlaue of the var, just type `echo $VARNAME` |
| 02:33.37 | simonrvn | elementz: environment variables are read by various applications, your shell for example |
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| 02:33.55 | elementz | simonrvn: yeah but where is it? |
| 02:33.57 | Luakagon | Hi, I have some questions about rc.local... I run Ubuntu and I need to get my wireless connection working before my startup script checks for network connections and attempts a clock synch so it doesn't stall... |
| 02:33.58 | simonrvn | elementz: also, i'd highly suggest reading some *nix basics |
| 02:34.09 | elementz | simonrvn: i know i know |
| 02:34.10 | simonrvn | i'm not repeating myself |
| 02:34.13 | abrotman | Luakagon: #ubuntu |
| 02:34.27 | zinx | MonaLisa[gambler!i=KreMa@62.162.14.106 is on-join spamming in here |
| 02:34.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 02:34.46 | simonrvn | IDed to nickserv on top of it |
| 02:34.48 | peterS | thanks, zinx |
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| 02:35.02 | elementz | simonrvn: what did "which bootstrap" mean than? |
| 02:35.05 | simonrvn | thank you again |
| 02:35.14 | freeone3000 | elementz: It's a command to run in the shell. |
| 02:35.15 | simonrvn | elementz: did you do it? |
| 02:35.23 | elementz | ah |
| 02:35.25 | eldowan | swamptoo: What branch of debian are you running? |
| 02:35.42 | elementz | simonrvn: /usr/sbin/debootstrap |
| 02:35.52 | swamptoo | mmmm not sure...i did the latest netinstall |
| 02:36.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 02:36.10 | eldowan | probably etch. apt-cache search xserver | grep ^i |
| 02:36.20 | simonrvn | elementz: ok, so it is in your PATH |
| 02:36.23 | eldowan | apt-cache search xorg |
| 02:36.30 | eldowan | swamptoo: ^ |
| 02:36.40 | simonrvn | elementz: so now do the rest of what the doc says |
| 02:37.02 | swamptoo | k what did that do ? |
| 02:37.10 | Luakagon | My issue is with rc.local; isn't it the same for Debian as Ubuntu? I ask because no one can help me in #ubuntu. |
| 02:37.32 | peterS | Luakagon: not necessarily. ubuntu changes a lot of things, many of them involving the startup sequence |
| 02:37.37 | eldowan | swamptoo: I'm not typing right tonight... aptitude search xorg | grep ^i |
| 02:37.38 | simonrvn | !tell Luakagon about rc.local |
| 02:37.43 | elementz | simonrvn: prob is it doesn't run - is there someflags i have to set or something? |
| 02:37.45 | Luakagon | Thank you simonrvn. |
| 02:37.45 | simonrvn | that's the debian way |
| 02:37.47 | peterS | Luakagon: now in debian, there is no rc.local, you would use /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or similar. |
| 02:37.47 | eldowan | swamptoo: This will show if you have xorg installed. |
| 02:38.01 | simonrvn | elementz: no, just stick debtakeover in /root |
| 02:38.15 | elementz | simonrvn: kk i'll try thx |
| 02:38.24 | simonrvn | then run it. do that by doing the full path to the script |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | if #ubuntu can't figure out rc.local .. they should close the channel |
| 02:38.39 | simonrvn | or, "cd /root && ./debtakeover" |
| 02:39.02 | elementz | simonrvn: which does what? |
| 02:39.07 | simonrvn | abrotman: seriously. not close it, but get better help, or educate the help there already |
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| 02:39.13 | simonrvn | run the script |
| 02:39.20 | elementz | ah |
| 02:39.37 | swamptoo | i dont see xorg |
| 02:39.42 | simonrvn | er, assuming it's been chmod +x |
| 02:40.05 | eldowan | swamptoo: aptitude search xserver | grep 86 |
| 02:40.18 | eldowan | swamptoo: This should show you xfree86, correct? |
| 02:40.41 | swamptoo | yes |
| 02:40.50 | eldowan | swamptoo: Alright, you are running sarge. |
| 02:40.56 | myren | wow god is apt-diff slow |
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| 02:41.01 | simonrvn | holy, WTH is heimdal-kcm |
| 02:41.11 | eldowan | swamptoo: pastebin the contents of /var/log/XFree86.0.log or something similar. |
| 02:41.18 | eldowan | !tell swamptoo about pastebin |
| 02:41.36 | simonrvn | sometimes the ppc buildds are just slow. i guess there's more urgent stuff ahead of it |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: you could donate a machine |
| 02:43.07 | simonrvn | mine are older than what debian has |
| 02:43.09 | elementz | simonrvn: that worked - thanks a lot!!! |
| 02:43.16 | simonrvn | elementz: OK :) |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | simonrvn: they can still help build |
| 02:43.52 | simonrvn | TBH, i don't think they'd trust me anyway ;) |
| 02:44.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: okeedokee :) |
| 02:45.24 | simonrvn | not that i'd fuck anything up, but some may look at my past and judge me based on that |
| 02:46.11 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 02:46.49 | swamptoo | my log says 'client 3 rejected from local host' over and over |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | simonrvn: i don't have a past! |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | it's good to be 12 |
| 02:47.21 | simonrvn | right |
| 02:47.35 | elementz | simonrvn: ahhh -> -> Debootstrapping |
| 02:47.35 | elementz | cat: write error: Disk quota exceeded |
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| 02:47.51 | abrotman | root has a quota ? |
| 02:47.53 | marek | hey |
| 02:48.03 | eldowan | swamptoo: Could you pastebin the log? |
| 02:48.14 | swamptoo | not sure how i would |
| 02:48.31 | swamptoo | im not in irc or web browser on other pc |
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| 02:48.53 | simonrvn | abrotman: if i had a machine that i could dedicate to that, i'd gladly help do that |
| 02:49.00 | dn4 | where is the firefox/plugin path in debian? |
| 02:49.08 | eldowan | swamptoo: floppy between the two? |
| 02:49.14 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/firefox IIRC |
| 02:49.15 | swamptoo | no floppy |
| 02:49.17 | elementz | simonrvn: what's that message mean now? |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | whihc version of debian ? |
| 02:49.22 | simonrvn | also /usr/lib/mozilla works |
| 02:49.46 | swamptoo | maybe i should just reinstall, this is ridiculous |
| 02:49.54 | simonrvn | elementz: means you exceeded quota for that partition. you or anything else can't write there anymore |
| 02:50.17 | simonrvn | dn4: the plugins/ dir is in those |
| 02:50.24 | eldowan | swamptoo: What fun is that? |
| 02:50.46 | elementz | simonrvn: meaning that my partition is full? |
| 02:50.49 | dn4 | simonrvn, thnks |
| 02:51.03 | marek | firefox syas i need a java runtime environment |
| 02:51.07 | simonrvn | not necessarily |
| 02:51.09 | marek | how do i insall that? |
| 02:51.14 | marek | so that i can use java applets? |
| 02:51.14 | simonrvn | elementz: ^^ |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | !tell marek about install java |
| 02:51.35 | elementz | simonrvn: what else could it be? |
| 02:51.40 | marek | i'm using ubuntu acutally |
| 02:51.51 | simonrvn | exactly what it says, exceeded quota |
| 02:52.33 | elementz | simonrvn: sry my english is not as good ;-) |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | marek: then ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:52.48 | Daniel2oo6 | http://www.djdada.dl.am RnB/HipHop Songs to Download & Musicclips! check it out ;) |
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| 02:52.50 | simonrvn | exceeded means 'went over, too much' |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | peterS: can you ban that IP ? |
| 02:53.13 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | oh .. nm . .he's changing IPs too |
| 02:53.40 | elementz | simonrvn: hmm so my hoster blocks my datatransfer right now, right? |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | well .. i don't have a problem with banning germany .. anyone else? :) |
| 02:54.01 | dvs | none here! |
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| 02:54.18 | sander_ | anyone know how to boot up a floppy image with "Bochs x86 Emulator"? |
| 02:54.20 | elementz | abrotman: wtf??? |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | NFC!!!! |
| 02:54.42 | elementz | abrotman: what i am annoying anybody just say so! |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | elementz: not you .. settle down |
| 02:54.58 | elementz | abrotman: kk cool |
| 02:55.02 | simonrvn | elementz: well, a quota is a limit placed on something, in this case disk space, so yeh, it would seem so |
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| 02:55.45 | elementz | simonrvn: thx a lot for you help! guess i have to stop working on that for now..dammit |
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| 02:56.01 | abrotman | oh wait .. let me guess RnB music ? |
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| 02:57.42 | jmd | Is tetex in etch broken? Suddenly Bibtex can't find any files. |
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| 02:58.27 | abrotman | anything in the bts? |
| 02:59.32 | jmd | dunno. If there's a problem it could be an a number of different packages. So I wouldn't know where to start. |
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| 03:00.19 | abrotman | start with the one that doesn't work :) |
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| 03:00.57 | jmd | Could be tetex-base, tetex-bin tetex-* *kpathsea* .... |
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| 03:02.33 | fusion | Hm.. I have been testing to see how I might best overcome this error.. about the disk space. Fdisk says 241GB on sda1, df -h says 1GB.. It seems the "1GB" ruling won.. I get "no space left on device" with 897MB in use.. How might I fix that? |
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| 03:08.39 | abrotman | jmd: start with the most recent ones in your dpkg.log |
| 03:08.49 | chron | i'm helping a friend, his debian puts him in a terminal even though he installed it in the desktop mode |
| 03:09.22 | abrotman | kde gnome something else ? |
| 03:09.41 | chron | hmm i guess he was able to choose that? |
| 03:09.50 | abrotman | i'm asking you which he installed |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | or might prefer |
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| 03:10.01 | chron | probably would prefer gnome |
| 03:10.02 | chron | isn't that default? |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 03:10.12 | abrotman | there is no default |
| 03:10.26 | chron | oh so he did'nt install it? |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | no idea what he did |
| 03:10.41 | abrotman | i'm telling you how to do it :) |
| 03:11.07 | chron | now would that put him automatically into xdm? |
| 03:11.08 | stoned | abrotman, I just guzzled 8 bud lights |
| 03:11.08 | stoned | ! |
| 03:11.09 | chron | or gdm i mean |
| 03:11.17 | abrotman | stoned: you're a sick sick boy |
| 03:11.22 | stoned | lol |
| 03:11.23 | chron | cuz for some reason i just installed my debian straight forward |
| 03:11.24 | stoned | thank you! |
| 03:11.25 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | chron: it should |
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| 03:11.47 | stoned | we had some beer bongs, and then we started playing Quarters |
| 03:11.48 | stoned | I won almost every round |
| 03:12.03 | abrotman | so .. you lost ? |
| 03:12.19 | stoned | no, I just took all the shots |
| 03:12.30 | stoned | we were limited on beer lol, I won, so I picked who drank |
| 03:12.33 | chron | how long would this install take? |
| 03:12.36 | stoned | I picked, ... ME! |
| 03:12.52 | stoned | chron, depends on the system |
| 03:12.56 | eldowan | stoned: And you're still typing coherently. I'm impressed. :) |
| 03:13.00 | chron | well about how long? |
| 03:13.03 | chron | on a decent ocmputer |
| 03:13.06 | chron | it's not compiling correct? |
| 03:13.06 | stoned | eldowan, high ass tolerance |
| 03:13.10 | chron | just downloading + installing ? |
| 03:13.14 | stoned | chron, decent is a relative term |
| 03:13.32 | chron | i just want to know, is it compiling? |
| 03:13.37 | stoned | debian on tbe slowest pc takes no more than 1-1.2/3 hours with the CD |
| 03:13.39 | eldowan | chron: it also depends on whether or not the packages are downloading |
| 03:13.41 | abrotman | chron: no .. they are binary packages |
| 03:13.52 | stoned | this is sarge on 866,mhz, 128mb ram |
| 03:13.58 | stoned | 1.5 hours |
| 03:14.02 | swamptoo | mmmmm |
| 03:14.04 | chron | lmao |
| 03:14.07 | eldowan | stoned: if you are over a dialup line, you can expect a *long* wait. |
| 03:14.12 | stoned | of course |
| 03:14.17 | eldowan | chron: : if you are over a dialup line, you can expect a *long* wait. |
| 03:14.18 | stoned | you should NEVER do a netinstall on dialup |
| 03:14.25 | swamptoo | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 03:14.25 | swamptoo | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 03:14.25 | swamptoo | xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" |
| 03:14.27 | eldowan | stoned: Sorry, wrong person |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | stop running stuff as root |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | stoned: i have .. nothing wrong with it |
| 03:14.54 | stoned | lol |
| 03:15.06 | chron | what's dial-up? |
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| 03:15.12 | chron | :D |
| 03:15.13 | eldowan | swamptoo: Hope you get it working correctly. Sorry I couldn't help more |
| 03:15.16 | stoned | abrotman, well I mean if you live in an are that has frequent power outages, like I do |
| 03:15.22 | stoned | its bullshit |
| 03:15.27 | Danamania | My first half dozen debian installs were net installs on dialup :D. |
| 03:15.29 | eldowan | chron: You asked about how long... dialup is worst case. |
| 03:15.31 | stoned | but I mean with a fairly stable dialup, you should be alright |
| 03:15.38 | swamptoo | s'ok :) I shouldnt have been so dumb |
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| 03:15.54 | eldowan | swamptoo: Ah. learning is where the fun is at. |
| 03:15.58 | eldowan | night all |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | stoned: when i started with debian .. apt-get didn't support resume :) |
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| 03:16.06 | stoned | abrotman, indeed |
| 03:16.07 | max_ | new debian user, i just installed debian. how do i get to the desktop ? |
| 03:16.11 | abrotman | so after 3 hours .. the uni DUS would disconnect you .. |
| 03:16.20 | abrotman | i think it took me about ten tries to get mozilla |
| 03:16.23 | stoned | abrotman, hell, 28.8 was like our broadband |
| 03:16.24 | Cooner750 | What could be causing the NIC light to flash constantly? I know network traffic, but is there any way I can find out _what_ is causing that traffic? |
| 03:16.36 | abrotman | sniff |
| 03:16.38 | stoned | I started on the internet with a measly 2400 baud |
| 03:16.42 | stoned | modem+ |
| 03:17.19 | liable | max_: did you install a desktop? |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | lucky bastard |
| 03:17.20 | dvs | stoned: lucky you. 300 baud |
| 03:17.25 | stoned | damn dude |
| 03:17.26 | stoned | lol |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | dvs: acoustic coupler baby! |
| 03:17.40 | dvs | abrotman: ok. not that bad |
| 03:17.48 | Cooner750 | Everything seems to be working ok except for the crazy traffic |
| 03:17.59 | max_ | liable: yes |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | dvs: it was an apple |
| 03:18.18 | liable | max_: then you must have misconfigured x |
| 03:18.20 | dvs | abrotman: mine was a VIC 20 |
| 03:18.29 | liable | max_: what version of debian? |
| 03:19.02 | max_ | liable: 2.6 |
| 03:19.02 | stoned | there is no 2.6 debian, that is the kernel version |
| 03:19.20 | max_ | stoned: thats what i installed |
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| 03:19.33 | abrotman | dvs: and i know the apple //e still exists and runs .. my friend has it |
| 03:19.34 | stoned | max_, are you using stable or testing or unstable |
| 03:19.35 | liable | max_: type this, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 03:20.04 | Cooner750 | Quite odd indeed |
| 03:20.07 | dvs | abrotman: I sold my old ones off. I didn't want them around. |
| 03:20.09 | swamptoo | night eldowan |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | maybe he didn't even install X ? |
| 03:20.24 | Cooner750 | I took down the network interface and brought it back up and now the traffic stopped |
| 03:20.25 | abrotman | dvs: this made a few stops along the way back to us .. |
| 03:20.40 | abrotman | Cooner750: problem solved! |
| 03:20.40 | dvs | abrotman: does it have the bumper stickers to prove it? |
| 03:20.49 | abrotman | dvs: no .. it didn't go that far |
| 03:20.51 | stoned | lol |
| 03:21.05 | stoned | you guys are tools |
| 03:21.07 | stoned | lol |
| 03:21.20 | dvs | stoned: go to Dell! oh... too late |
| 03:21.24 | stoned | haha |
| 03:21.26 | stoned | bugger off |
| 03:21.28 | max_ | liable: testing/unstable |
| 03:22.08 | max_ | i took the option desktop when i installed |
| 03:22.09 | liable | max_: now type this.. grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log (as root) |
| 03:23.12 | enouf | max_ :guess what .. you've got gnome |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | ? |
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| 03:24.06 | max_ | liable: ok what am i looking for in this log ? |
| 03:24.13 | abrotman | are there any EE lines ? |
| 03:24.17 | max_ | yes |
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| 03:24.28 | abrotman | such as? |
| 03:24.42 | max_ | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom |
| 03:25.11 | liable | max_: you have a tablet attached? |
| 03:25.29 | abrotman | or he picked that device |
| 03:25.32 | max_ | tablet ? notepad ? |
| 03:25.41 | liable | gah, everytime i compile something, or make my graphics card work hard, my screen goes fucked |
| 03:26.06 | dvs | oh gravity? |
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| 03:26.22 | max_ | i can login , just can't get to a desktop |
| 03:26.37 | liable | max_: what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 03:26.40 | abrotman | !drxx max_ |
| 03:26.41 | dpkg | max_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:26.48 | max_ | pretty white words on a black screen |
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| 03:27.38 | liable | must be heat i guess.. |
| 03:28.47 | max_ | dpkg: not sure what your taleing me ? |
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| 03:28.58 | abrotman | !drxx max_ |
| 03:28.59 | dpkg | max_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:29.29 | liable | max_: as root, type, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:29.41 | max_ | i did not edite any thing |
| 03:30.27 | max_ | liable: me is there |
| 03:30.28 | abrotman | i mean .. really really ashamed |
| 03:30.38 | fusion | Hm.. I have been testing to see how I might best overcome this error.. about the disk space. Fdisk says 241GB on sda1, df -h says 1GB.. It seems the "1GB" ruling won.. I get "no space left on device" with 897MB in use.. How might I fix that? |
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| 03:31.07 | abrotman | fusion: nothing on google ? |
| 03:31.18 | fusion | nope :/ |
| 03:31.36 | fusion | hardware provider is kind of slack with support too.. |
| 03:32.23 | fusion | it wasn't just for debian |
| 03:32.32 | fusion | it did it when i was testing other OS's too |
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| 03:34.34 | max_ | liable: │ Please enter the video card's bus identifier : how do i no this is right ? PCI:1:0:0_ |
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| 03:35.17 | max_ | just take a chance !! just go for it @*@ |
| 03:35.45 | liable | max_: just leave it blank |
| 03:35.53 | Danamania | max_: lspci will give you the bus ID - though it'll be in hex and you may need to convert to decimal (or the other way around) |
| 03:36.00 | liable | max_: you have an x86 box? |
| 03:36.32 | max_ | x86 maybe i386 |
| 03:36.43 | abrotman | leave it blank |
| 03:36.59 | liable | brb |
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| 03:40.33 | abrotman | grr .. he left |
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| 03:43.17 | max_ | going for a reboot |
| 03:43.29 | dvs | why |
| 03:43.33 | max_ | wish me luck |
| 03:43.49 | max_ | it's fun |
| 03:44.00 | dvs | not necessary when you reconfigure x |
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| 03:47.20 | liable | !be a aiglx barbie |
| 03:47.20 | dpkg | Aww, aiglx is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
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| 03:50.09 | m1ke_l | when do i need ot use the bigmem option? |
| 03:50.21 | m1ke_l | i currently only see 900m of my 1.5gig of ram |
| 03:51.21 | sussudio | wasn't there a thing at 900MB? |
| 03:52.16 | m1ke_l | someone jsut said 800 |
| 03:52.29 | m1ke_l | is it jsut "himem" on my kernel line or "bigmem"? |
| 03:52.50 | sussudio | google for it. |
| 03:53.04 | sussudio | %listkeys bigmem |
| 03:53.06 | badgers | Factoid search of 'bigmem' by key returned no results. |
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| 03:53.29 | enouf | no : does the BIOS see it all ? |
| 03:53.40 | m1ke_l | yup....so does XP |
| 03:54.40 | enouf | 2GB and 4GB are the boundaries |
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| 03:55.59 | m1ke_l | enouf: boundaries? |
| 03:57.23 | enouf | grep BIGMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 03:57.23 | enouf | stompthebozo@sarge:~$ grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 03:58.47 | m1ke_l | this is stock debian kernel: CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 03:59.03 | m1ke_l | so, nothing past ??G? for me? |
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| 04:03.13 | enouf | here's my stock debian 2.6.16-2-686 # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set |
| 04:03.14 | enouf | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 04:03.29 | enouf | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 04:03.29 | enouf | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 04:03.29 | enouf | # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set |
| 04:03.54 | m1ke_l | but do you know the break points? |
| 04:04.06 | enouf | look up |
| 04:04.16 | m1ke_l | 2 & 4 gig? |
| 04:04.21 | enouf | yes |
| 04:04.47 | peterS | enouf: dude. don't paste stuff. not 4 lines in a row. |
| 04:04.53 | m1ke_l | that doesn't work....i only see 900megs which are neither of your answers |
| 04:05.15 | m1ke_l | but i know im on the right track...thanks |
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| 04:05.40 | m1ke_l | sorry that you incurd the wrath of peterS who was flooded by your whoping 4 lines |
| 04:05.58 | peterS | m1ke_l: I don't make the rules. this has been #debian policy for as long as I've been here |
| 04:06.01 | enouf | 2+3 = 5 |
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| 04:07.18 | hobophobe | Okay, sata_promise still doesn't want to see the drives it seems, so I'm going to try to build the driver from the manufacturer's source.. it wants me to have kernel source in /usr/src/linux though. apt-get didn't find a candidate for kernel-source, so I downloaded the tar.gz from packages.debian.org. What do I need to do now to get the kernel source installed? |
| 04:07.42 | m1ke_l | just untar it |
| 04:07.54 | liable | hobophobe: just get the headers for your running kernel |
| 04:08.11 | peterS | hobophobe: pick one channel or the other, don't post your question to both at once. by doing so you're wasting our support resources. |
| 04:08.12 | m1ke_l | apt-cache search linux-headers i think will help |
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| 04:08.45 | hobophobe | peterS, yeah, sorry. I just wasn't sure if people were alive in the other. |
| 04:09.16 | peterS | hobophobe: this is the bigger of the two channels, so if I were you I'd try this one first. _if_ nobody answers in, say, 5 or 10 minutes, then try the other |
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| 04:11.41 | bgat | anyone know why I can't use dhclient on an alias ethernet interface? |
| 04:11.45 | hobophobe | I've already got the kernel headers for my kernel, so I guess just try making a link to /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel to /usr/src/linux ? |
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| 04:12.09 | bgat | I keep getting "Bind socket to interface: No such device" |
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| 04:12.32 | ryty | okay, I have ethereal installed, but no executable? |
| 04:12.39 | peterS | hobophobe: well, I don't know what your proprietary driver installation scripts expect - give them what they want, I suppose |
| 04:13.17 | peterS | ryty: are you running unstable? the binary is called 'wireshark' now |
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| 04:13.53 | ryty | peterS: thank you |
| 04:14.08 | ryty | I thought I was just going crazy |
| 04:14.08 | sanmarcos | il cane |
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| 04:14.16 | liable | hobophobe: the link is from build in the modules dir |
| 04:14.30 | liable | hobophobe: to the headers dir |
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| 04:14.40 | sanmarcos | why didnt anybody give a shit about the move to oftc? |
| 04:15.18 | ryty | anything happen with tcpdump? |
| 04:16.02 | Coweater | sanmarcos: just the dns changed and oftc is where "official" debian channels are |
| 04:16.03 | ryty | nevermind :-[ |
| 04:16.29 | Ash-Fox | I love how helping a friend install a theme on his system ended up in installing c compilers and about 300MB of developer headers/libraries. |
| 04:16.34 | sanmarcos | Coweater: right, but in the end nobody gave a crap because there were not good reasons for the switch. and freenode is a very comfortable network |
| 04:17.05 | sanmarcos | Ash-Fox: probably because of your incompetency, and the community's fault at designing hard to understand software |
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| 04:17.27 | Coweater | the channel is smaller, i'm pretty sure people who liked freenode stuck with freenode and people who'd rather be on oftc might've left here, i know some are on both |
| 04:17.27 | sanmarcos | Ash-Fox: ie, the normal user does not want to compile in 99% of the cases. Just use binaries |
| 04:17.39 | sanmarcos | Ash-Fox: themes should not need complining unless it is an engine (i.e Clearlooks) |
| 04:17.45 | Ash-Fox | sanmarcos, nah, the actual thing was dekorator being too old to support the theme, so I had to manually install the new version :P |
| 04:17.49 | sanmarcos | Ash-Fox: apt-cache search themename |
| 04:18.00 | sanmarcos | Ash-Fox: either way, I could care less |
| 04:18.41 | Ash-Fox | Either way, it was humorous for me. I couldn't careless about this stuff personally. But I start to understand why people get frightened of Linux systems when I have todo so much :) |
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| 04:20.08 | Twidle | hi |
| 04:20.23 | Twidle | how can i force apt to resolve and use ipv4 only |
| 04:20.23 | Ash-Fox | Twidle, hello. |
| 04:20.25 | Twidle | ? |
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| 04:20.55 | Ash-Fox | Twidle, err, could try specifying the ip address of the given hostname in /etc/hosts manually :) |
| 04:21.28 | Twidle | wow.. but i think they are too many |
| 04:22.22 | Twidle | im gonna try deconfiguring ipv6 address |
| 04:22.40 | Twidle | i just thought that could be an option in the configuration |
| 04:22.55 | ryty | Twidle: IPV6 is compatible with IPV4, you know this, right? |
| 04:22.56 | Twidle | i havent found any.. |
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| 04:23.27 | Twidle | ya... but i dont have a working ipv4 |
| 04:23.39 | Twidle | so i cant connect to ipv6 address |
| 04:23.46 | Twidle | *working ipv6 |
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| 04:26.31 | Tallu | Hmm this is weird. I installed debian and set it to use the finnish keymap variant of qwerty.. however, I get an error message during boot-up * Problem when loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz, use install-keymap and I tried to apt-get --reinstall install console-common to set up the right keymap for post-boot env but after setting it up it couldnt find the correct keymap. I'm running sarge |
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| 04:27.18 | Twidle | this file is a link right? |
| 04:28.01 | ajnewbold | hi, I'm new to everything with debian. if I install a package, how can I determine where it "put" the app? |
| 04:28.22 | vulture | ajnewbold: dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 04:28.44 | Tallu | Anyone ever experienced this themselves? |
| 04:28.52 | Twidle | ajnewbold: or dpkg -c file.deb |
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| 04:29.07 | ajnewbold | vulture, Twidle, thanks |
| 04:29.33 | Twidle | Tallu: this /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz exists? |
| 04:30.02 | ajnewbold | hmmm, it seems that my shell doesn't have the dpkg command |
| 04:30.10 | Tallu | Twidle: yes |
| 04:30.16 | ajnewbold | I think it's because I'm kind of using a non-standard setup :/ |
| 04:30.35 | Twidle | ajnewbold: are you sure you are using debian? lol |
| 04:30.41 | ajnewbold | Twidle: well, it's debianish :) |
| 04:30.46 | ajnewbold | Twidle: nokia 770 :) |
| 04:30.51 | vulture | ajnewbold: debian derived distros don't really count.. |
| 04:30.51 | Twidle | ajnewbold: try whereis dpkg |
| 04:31.03 | vulture | Twidle: won't really help if it's not found on the shell |
| 04:31.11 | vulture | whereis just tells you which parts of the path the exe is in |
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| 04:31.23 | vulture | sorry.. thinking of "which" |
| 04:31.23 | ajnewbold | Twidle: sh: whereis: not found :) |
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| 04:31.37 | ajnewbold | this thing uses the BusyBox shell, whatever that is |
| 04:31.44 | ajnewbold | but it's definitely debian; I can install .deb packages |
| 04:31.48 | Twidle | vulture: yeah.. you r right |
| 04:32.27 | Twidle | [root@atrix console]: /usr/bin/whereis dpkg |
| 04:32.27 | Twidle | dpkg: /usr/bin/dpkg /etc/dpkg /usr/lib/dpkg /usr/X11R6/bin/dpkg /usr/bin/X11/dpkg /usr/share/dpkg /usr/share/man/man1/dpkg.1.gz |
| 04:32.33 | Twidle | nope.. ehhe worked |
| 04:32.44 | Twidle | unset PATH before that |
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| 04:32.49 | peterS | ajnewbold: busybox is a shell with a rather large number of basic unix utilities built in - designed to save space in tight environments like an install floppy |
| 04:33.05 | ajnewbold | peterS: ah, that explains it then |
| 04:33.11 | ajnewbold | I don't think this device has much memory |
| 04:33.24 | peterS | ajnewbold: anyway, what you want is "dpkg -L packagename" |
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| 04:37.53 | ajnewbold-770 | woo got it working :) |
| 04:38.17 | ajnewbold-770 | thanks peterS |
| 04:41.31 | neoxan | no problem, ajnewbold |
| 04:41.33 | neoxan | :]] |
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| 04:42.48 | ajnewbold-770 | wheeee |
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| 04:43.57 | Twidle | anyone knows a tool to test the sources.list and generate a clean on with working only sources |
| 04:43.57 | Twidle | ? |
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| 04:44.30 | neoxan | apt-get update for testing |
| 04:44.31 | neoxan | ;P |
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| 04:44.57 | Twidle | lol |
| 04:45.09 | Twidle | then i go one by one? hehe |
| 04:45.31 | Twidle | i got a big sources.list |
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| 04:51.04 | Tallu | Ok something is seriously messed up with the locales/keymap configuration.. while compiling a new kernel this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/776222 |
| 04:51.08 | ice_1963 | brb :) |
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| 04:51.41 | Miesco | When I install a python package I get these errors: |
| 04:51.43 | Miesco | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3551 |
| 04:53.21 | Twidle | just locales |
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| 05:11.32 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:11.33 | dpkg | i guess qotd24 is <sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me |
| 05:16.49 | usr13 | How do I find printer configuration? |
| 05:17.02 | usr13 | bian] |
| 05:17.25 | usr13 | I tried localhost:631 but nothing there. |
| 05:18.39 | usr13 | I may not have necessary packages installed? |
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| 05:21.56 | freeone3000 | My setup includes: HP printer. Installed: cups foomatic (gutenprint) and hplip drivers. Apt install for all. And... it worked. Somehow. |
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| 05:24.48 | rosen37 | PlHello |
| 05:25.32 | rosen37 | Please I have to do a apt-get dist-upgrade, and I would like to see if it wsas possible to send mail w |
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| 05:28.18 | trellis | Hi. I am currently downloading the Debian Testing netinst iso - etch di 3. Want to install debian on my laptop. a compaq v4000 series presario laptop. Does the installer have support for the RTL8139 ethernet adapter? |
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| 05:30.09 | Arafangion | How do I configure the netinst installer to correctly install my wireless adapter, so that it can download the rest of the system? |
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| 05:31.07 | trellis | Dunno. Dont you have a ethernet connection handy? |
| 05:31.35 | trellis | I am downloading the netinstaller iso right now, and wondering whether it has support for the realtek 8139 adapter... |
| 05:32.13 | Arafangion | trellis: I just found the linux26 option, I'm giving that a go. |
| 05:32.30 | trellis | What's that? You boot with the linux26 option? |
| 05:32.45 | Arafangion | Instead of just hitting enter, I'm typing linux26 then pressing enter |
| 05:32.46 | trellis | I am yet to download, and install. But good luck :) |
| 05:32.53 | trellis | ok. Good luck. |
| 05:33.07 | Arafangion | Ubuntu installs flawlessly - just unhappy with Ubuntu's reliability. |
| 05:33.12 | Arafangion | (I'm a stability freak) |
| 05:33.20 | trellis | :) |
| 05:33.21 | Arafangion | linux26 works fine. :) |
| 05:33.30 | trellis | It detects your wireless? |
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| 05:33.49 | trellis | I have a intel 2200 bg wireless... i'll be elated if it works |
| 05:33.56 | Arafangion | trellis: That's what I have. |
| 05:35.27 | deadcat | whats the diff between linux-source and linux-tree? |
| 05:35.44 | usr13 | How do I find printer configuration? |
| 05:36.02 | deadcat | usr13: cups |
| 05:36.14 | Arafangion | Hmm, how might I turn the Wifi card *on*? |
| 05:36.24 | deadcat | Arafangion: load the module. iwconfig |
| 05:36.29 | usr13 | cups: command not found |
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| 05:36.57 | deadcat | usr13: cups is not a command.. its a printing system |
| 05:37.25 | usr13 | "Package cups is not available" |
| 05:37.34 | deadcat | apt-cache search cups |
| 05:38.08 | usr13 | apt-cache search cups does not show cups |
| 05:38.14 | liable | usr13: cupsys |
| 05:38.36 | deadcat | usr13: i am pretty sure you have the intellegence to figure it out |
| 05:38.42 | trellis | ok. bye guys. gonna burn the netinstall image and try to boot. |
| 05:38.44 | usr13 | cupsys is already the newest version |
| 05:39.11 | deadcat | usr13: use browser to localhost:631 |
| 05:39.28 | usr13 | localhost:631 - connection refused |
| 05:40.56 | usr13 | # /etc/init.d/cupsys start "Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd" |
| 05:41.02 | usr13 | localhost:631 - connection refused |
| 05:41.10 | usr13 | ? |
| 05:41.42 | deadcat | linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 <-- how big is bigmem? |
| 05:42.27 | Guerin | deadcat: grep BIGMEM $config |
| 05:42.44 | deadcat | Guerin: i havent installed that kernel yet.. i am going with the one without bigmem |
| 05:43.02 | Guerin | well, if you're not sure, it's safer to use bigmem |
| 05:43.09 | deadcat | k |
| 05:43.10 | Guerin | since if it's not needed, it won't be used |
| 05:43.41 | liable | usr13: does 'netstat -pantu' show cups listening? |
| 05:43.51 | liable | fuck i hate that |
| 05:43.52 | stew | deadcat: well since all fo the 686 images have CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G set, i'd guess it means CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G |
| 05:43.57 | deadcat | Guerin: i am gonna test the nvidia driver using a debian kernel instead of the one i compiled. see if its me or just the hardware or the xorg.conf file that sucks |
| 05:44.29 | deadcat | stew: so i should just use the one without then. i only have 1.5gig |
| 05:45.00 | stew | deadcat: any of the 2.6 686 debian images support up to 4G |
| 05:45.09 | deadcat | k |
| 05:45.23 | deadcat | whats the diff between linux-tree and linux-source? |
| 05:45.28 | deadcat | seems the same to me |
| 05:45.34 | Arafangion | deadcat: Interestenly, it appears that the netinst CD has very few modules. |
| 05:46.06 | deadcat | Arafangion: what card you have? |
| 05:46.30 | Arafangion | deadcat: I'm 99% certain that I have an Intel 2200 wireless card |
| 05:46.35 | Tallu | 6 more days for 8/1 dsl.. ahh |
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| 05:46.50 | fusion | 8/1 == dark ages? |
| 05:46.51 | deadcat | Arafangion: what kernel you have? modprobe -l |grep ipw |
| 05:46.54 | Arafangion | deadcat: I know with 100% certainty that Ubuntu works with it out of the box, though - so it's certainly free software. |
| 05:47.12 | Arafangion | deadcat: I am installing with the linux26 option, and it doesn't have the ipw module. |
| 05:47.17 | Tallu | fusion, yeah well, you can imagine what it's been like to go from 8/1 to 256/256 without a word of warning.. for 2 months |
| 05:47.26 | deadcat | Arafangion: i think the 2.6.17 kernel has that in the kernel already. |
| 05:47.28 | fusion | rofl thats got to suck |
| 05:47.41 | deadcat | Arafangion: so apt-get a newer kernel if you can |
| 05:47.42 | Tallu | fusion, yeah 'suck' is a mild expression. i've been dying. |
| 05:47.44 | Arafangion | deadcat: Looks like I need to get an Etch install CD. |
| 05:47.57 | deadcat | Arafangion: no. just upgrade to etch if you on sarge. |
| 05:48.03 | deadcat | !tell Arafangion about stable->testing |
| 05:48.14 | Arafangion | deadcat: Sarge isn't *installed* yet. |
| 05:48.22 | Guerin | Tallu: cry me a river - I went form 100mbti full-dup to 56k dialup |
| 05:48.30 | deadcat | Arafangion: ohhhhhh. you want wifi during install right? |
| 05:48.35 | Arafangion | YES. |
| 05:48.48 | Guerin | Tallu: and I still have to wait two weeks before I can get 2m |
| 05:48.50 | fusion | silly people! you're meant to upgrade connections not downgrade! |
| 05:48.52 | Tallu | Guerin, I feel your pain. :( |
| 05:49.11 | Arafangion | deadcat: I suppose the installer isn't smart enough to ask for a WEP key, either? |
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| 05:50.01 | deadcat | Arafangion: no. switch to console and run iwconfig with the key |
| 05:50.34 | liable | i dunno if busybox does iwconfig.. |
| 05:50.42 | Arafangion | liable: It has iwconfig |
| 05:50.55 | liable | Arafangion: well blow me down! |
| 05:51.05 | Arafangion | Oh well, just unplugged a server, stealing it's cable :) |
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| 05:52.23 | Arafangion | Wow, the debian installer has improved. |
| 05:53.28 | freeone3000 | ncurses ftw |
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| 05:54.02 | liable | my laptop really hates compiling :/ |
| 05:54.23 | liable | well, the graphics card does anyway.. |
| 05:54.39 | Arafangion | liable: Which graphics card? |
| 05:55.01 | simonrvn | the one that hates compiling |
| 05:55.08 | simonrvn | :P |
| 05:55.13 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Ahh, that one. |
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| 05:55.19 | liable | indeed! |
| 05:55.20 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Must be an ATI |
| 05:55.38 | simonrvn | must be a mattel |
| 05:55.40 | liable | hah, it is :) |
| 05:55.45 | liable | ati.. |
| 05:56.32 | liable | it must be alergic to warmth |
| 05:56.39 | freeone3000 | My graphics cards do normal stuff. |
| 05:56.49 | freeone3000 | Like complex math operations. |
| 05:57.00 | freeone3000 | Not complex math operations. |
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| 05:57.05 | freeone3000 | ...Well, diffrent ones. |
| 05:57.39 | Arafangion | Actually, my ATI card works flawlessly - but I have observed that they are pretty much hit and miss. |
| 05:57.40 | JMT | Hey! Can you say why amd64 unstable sources doesn't work? |
| 05:57.53 | liable | lucky you, mine fucks the screen when i compile or run any 3d shits |
| 05:57.55 | Arafangion | JMT: Define "unstable". |
| 05:58.03 | simonrvn | sid? |
| 05:58.09 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 05:58.15 | Arafangion | JMT: Or, tell us who Sid is. |
| 05:58.18 | JMT | I try both unstable and sid |
| 05:58.25 | freeone3000 | They're the same, btw. |
| 05:58.28 | Arafangion | JMT: There is a difference? |
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| 05:58.57 | JMT | no i suppose |
| 05:59.22 | Arafangion | JMT: I'll be easy on you. The names are descriptive - Sid really is the boy next door who *breaks toys* |
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| 05:59.33 | Arafangion | JMT: Consider it a very apt metaphor. |
| 05:59.36 | JMT | but it doesn't work and I want know which sources can be work |
| 05:59.40 | insmod | liable: use the propriatary drivers |
| 06:00.00 | insmod | liable: still not nvidia but.. |
| 06:00.14 | simonrvn | freeone3000: yes, they are. |
| 06:00.21 | Arafangion | insmod: Actually, some people report better success with the free version, which DOES provide (some) 3D accel. |
| 06:00.27 | Arafangion | insmod: It really is hit and miss. |
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| 06:00.44 | liable | insmod: its too old for fglrx |
| 06:00.58 | liable | insmod: besides i think its a hardware problem, not driver |
| 06:01.13 | Arafangion | liable: You could try underclocking your system? |
| 06:01.13 | insmod | ah |
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| 06:01.47 | liable | Arafangion: its *old* i dont want it slower! :) |
| 06:02.18 | Arafangion | liable: Apparently if you run your system at it's maximum speed, it craps up. |
| 06:02.27 | Arafangion | liable: All you are doing is lowering that maximum speed. |
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| 06:03.21 | liable | Arafangion: hrm, maybe i'll try that |
| 06:03.28 | insmod | liable: run less procs an use a light wm like flux |
| 06:03.35 | Arafangion | liable: Mind you, I've never done that :) |
| 06:03.47 | liable | i might take it to pieces first and check stuff.. its a laptop btw |
| 06:04.02 | Arafangion | liable: If the laptop is easy to take apart. |
| 06:04.13 | Arafangion | liable: Some are a freaking bitch to take apart. (Excuse my language) |
| 06:04.21 | liable | Arafangion: yah, ive pulled apart a couple o times |
| 06:04.58 | insmod | liable: my laptop is PII 233 64 mg 2 mg vid -- runs great with light wm |
| 06:05.25 | Arafangion | insmod: I have a friend reporting sucess running xfwm on his 300MHz powerpc. |
| 06:05.45 | liable | insmod: i really think its hardware related (ie something is fucked) |
| 06:06.07 | insmod | Arafangion: ya just don't bog them down -- use blackbox or the old xfce |
| 06:06.18 | liable | xfce blows atm |
| 06:06.22 | insmod | liable: i get ya |
| 06:06.28 | Arafangion | liable: Elaborate. |
| 06:06.39 | liable | Arafangion: to which comment? |
| 06:06.43 | insmod | liable: lol i know that's why i said old xfce |
| 06:06.56 | houland | is http the only protocol for web browsing? |
| 06:06.58 | Arafangion | liable: Which do you think? :) |
| 06:07.07 | Arafangion | houland: No. |
| 06:07.11 | insmod | liable: i hate it now -- love the old one |
| 06:07.13 | liable | Arafangion: i have no clue, thats why i asked :) |
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| 06:07.20 | Arafangion | liable: The latest one :) |
| 06:07.22 | ivan` | houland, https |
| 06:07.23 | houland | Arafangion: what r the others? |
| 06:07.36 | ivan` | houland, you can browser ftp:// in most browsers |
| 06:07.38 | Arafangion | houland: https is a common one, but there's heaps of others. |
| 06:07.39 | ivan` | even html pages |
| 06:07.44 | Tallu | Hmm what all should I upgrade (package-wise) before installing the latest 2.6.17.11 kernel? |
| 06:07.50 | Tallu | I'm running sarge |
| 06:08.33 | houland | https is basically http secured. about ftp, how would a typical browse command look like. |
| 06:08.46 | Arafangion | houland: It's a different protocol entirely. |
| 06:09.01 | Arafangion | houland: For starters, http is stateless, but https is stateful. |
| 06:09.06 | liable | Arafangion: last time i was using it (3 months ago?) it was having terrible lagging problems just opening apps, scrolling in firefox etc |
| 06:09.14 | insmod | Arafangion: ya can't move the bottom bar the taskbar sucks as does the iconbox -- and the xffm is diff in every distro |
| 06:09.26 | Arafangion | xffm? |
| 06:09.37 | Guerin | insmod: you can move the bottom bar |
| 06:09.44 | insmod | Arafangion: new xftree |
| 06:09.50 | houland | Arafangion: what i need now is an alternative to http for the same site. can I access with ftp://cnn.com, say? |
| 06:09.55 | insmod | Guerinup and down? |
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| 06:10.05 | Guerin | insmod: what? |
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| 06:10.11 | insmod | Arafangion: what ever it is |
| 06:10.17 | Arafangion | houland: Sure, if they provide ftp access. |
| 06:10.31 | usr13 | I may have too many sound servers installed. |
| 06:10.36 | houland | how to know if a site provides ftp access? |
| 06:10.36 | usr13 | But not sure. |
| 06:10.49 | insmod | Guerin: the bottom bar -- up and down? was better when it was like cde |
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| 06:11.07 | insmod | Guerin: panel |
| 06:11.07 | Arafangion | houland: Same way as you know if a site as http access. |
| 06:11.08 | tn3270 | houland : telnet to port 21 |
| 06:11.09 | Guerin | insmod: sorry, you're not explaining yourself clearly. |
| 06:11.18 | Guerin | the panel can auto-hide, yeah |
| 06:11.29 | usr13 | houland> Try initiating a ftp session with it |
| 06:11.31 | Arafangion | houland: What is the _real_ question you want to ask? |
| 06:11.41 | insmod | Guerin: but you can't drag it around like the old one |
| 06:11.52 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:11.54 | insmod | Guerin: move it |
| 06:11.57 | usr13 | What are the available sound servers? (I seem to have a conflict) |
| 06:12.03 | houland | Arafangion: i want to access websites with other protocols besides http. |
| 06:12.27 | tn3270 | by definiton, websites work on http |
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| 06:12.38 | houland | tn3270: an example of a command to access a web page? |
| 06:12.42 | Arafangion | tn3270: Incorrect. |
| 06:12.49 | Guerin | houland: what do you REALLY want to do? |
| 06:12.51 | tn3270 | sorry i forgot |
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| 06:13.15 | Arafangion | tn3270: By definition, |
| 06:13.15 | tn3270 | "command" to access a web page? |
| 06:13.19 | houland | Guerin: i already said it once. i want to access websites with other protocols besides http. |
| 06:13.29 | tn3270 | define website |
| 06:13.39 | tn3270 | is on the "www" right |
| 06:13.50 | swamptoo | I have an error I have been working on for hours..I cannot get back into KDE.... Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:14.07 | insmod | tn3270: like https or ssh or rlogin ... |
| 06:14.21 | swamptoo | alsp 'Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key' |
| 06:14.40 | tn3270 | i don't get you |
| 06:14.42 | insmod | swamptoo: delete old DCOP files |
| 06:14.49 | tn3270 | you're talking "website" |
| 06:14.49 | swamptoo | how'? |
| 06:14.53 | vuud | I have confusion regarding ant and the optional components in debian... its seems wrong the way its set up, but I could be missing something. Does anyone have an FTP task working with Ant? |
| 06:14.58 | Arafangion | an information resource on the World Wide Web. Websites may provide information on any topic. |
| 06:15.00 | tn3270 | but then you say stuff like ssh/rlogin |
| 06:15.02 | Arafangion | cyber.law.harvard.edu/readinessguide/glossary.html |
| 06:15.13 | insmod | swamptoo: i use mc |
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| 06:15.20 | Arafangion | tn3270: There are hundreds of definitions on the internet, very, VERY few of them actually even mention http. |
| 06:15.22 | tn3270 | tks Arafangion |
| 06:15.29 | swamptoo | I dont even know what MC is....I just isntalled debian yesterday |
| 06:15.32 | swamptoo | :) |
| 06:15.37 | tn3270 | i apologise for that |
| 06:15.54 | insmod | swamptoo: rm .DCOP* |
| 06:16.23 | tn3270 | houland : can try wget, curl etc |
| 06:16.33 | houland | i am testing the effectiveness of my firewall. i have set up my firewall to prevent web surfing fr some stations by filtering out http. i want to know if the user of the station has a way to go round it, by using a different protocol, say. |
| 06:16.35 | tn3270 | if that's what you mean by command |
| 06:16.39 | Guerin | houland: no, you don't. |
| 06:17.04 | vuud | houland: they could access a proxy via a different port - if you allow that |
| 06:17.18 | Guerin | you might think you do, but in fact you don't. Web servers tend to only speak http. If they speak another protocol, then by definition they're not a web server. |
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| 06:17.49 | Arafangion | However, you can nearly always bypass using https tunnelling. |
| 06:17.52 | tn3270 | if you filter port 80 outgoing, should be usually safe |
| 06:17.53 | Guerin | houland: this seems like a terminology proble, which is why I asked you to clarify what you're actually trying to do |
| 06:17.55 | houland | Guerin: filtering http is effective. |
| 06:18.04 | roachclit | anyone good with setting up a dual boot? |
| 06:18.06 | tn3270 | unless they run their webserver on non-std port |
| 06:18.09 | Guerin | houland: oh, you want to bypass a http filter |
| 06:18.15 | swamptoo | insmod didn't work 'X: warning' process set to priority -11 instead of requested priority -10' |
| 06:18.22 | houland | Guerin: u got it. |
| 06:18.31 | Guerin | houland: you can run an encrypted or non-encrypted tunnel out to a cache of some sort. |
| 06:18.38 | Guerin | houland: why didn't you just say that? |
| 06:18.40 | Arafangion | Guerin: Is he trying to crack a system, or his he honestly trying to check a company's firewall as their admin? |
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| 06:18.47 | tn3270 | hehe |
| 06:18.50 | swamptoo | insmod 'Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0' |
| 06:18.53 | houland | Guerin: u didn't ask for that. |
| 06:18.59 | insmod | swamptoo: ah |
| 06:19.02 | tn3270 | btw i have a qn too, may i ask? |
| 06:19.02 | Guerin | Arafangion: since when was trying to bypass a http filter 'cracking a system'? |
| 06:19.07 | Arafangion | houland: It's not our job to *guess* what you want. |
| 06:19.14 | Guerin | !asktoask |
| 06:19.19 | tn3270 | lol |
| 06:19.20 | insmod | swamptoo: so you need a new server ? |
| 06:19.25 | Guerin | !ask2ask |
| 06:19.25 | houland | Arafangion: i did not ask u to guess or gas. |
| 06:19.25 | dpkg | One day, Kn00bie joined #debian, and asked, "Tell me, is it proper to ask first whether one should ask a question, or do ye not require such things?" One of the masters raised his hand, and a towering bot descended from the heavens and knocked Kn00bie to the ground, leaving a large wet spot. Lying there, head spinning, Kn00bie became Enlightened. |
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| 06:19.27 | vuud | houland: yes, there are lots of ways. |
| 06:19.31 | swamptoo | I just want to get into KDE :( |
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| 06:19.33 | insmod | swamptoo: startx -- :1 |
| 06:20.00 | tn3270 | does xfce some as the default wm for debian? |
| 06:20.02 | Arafangion | Guerin: Bypassing http filters, imho, constitutes accessing info/sites/system/whatever in unauthorised mannars. |
| 06:20.22 | tn3270 | i mean if i use aptitude and choose the x-server package |
| 06:20.31 | houland | Guerin: so, the http filter can be tunnelled thro. where can i read more about this? |
| 06:20.43 | tn3270 | man netcat |
| 06:20.47 | Guerin | houland: i recommend privoxy |
| 06:20.49 | Arafangion | tn3270: That'll install the x-server package, very little else. |
| 06:20.57 | liable | swamptoo: in your home dir, do ls -l |
| 06:20.58 | vuud | houland: as a fw admin, the best way to prevent it is to let someone do something wrong, hoist them up as an example. Works wonders |
| 06:21.01 | swamptoo | insmod: I have a blank screen now |
| 06:21.05 | tn3270 | Arafangion : i think i tried doing that |
| 06:21.12 | Arafangion | tn3270: If you want xfce, install that. |
| 06:21.13 | Guerin | houland: but something like stunnel is more robust |
| 06:21.14 | tn3270 | after rebooting i got xfce |
| 06:21.27 | houland | Guerin: will check it up. thks. |
| 06:21.30 | insmod | swamptoo: crtl alt F7 |
| 06:22.12 | houland | vuud: your way will create a lot of enemies. |
| 06:22.28 | hyperhelix | hi I've just completed a base install of the testing version of debian and I want to install a graphical desktop (just NOT kde or Gnome) what is the command to do this apt-get install xcfe-desktop xserver-xorg?) thanks |
| 06:22.32 | Arafangion | houland: You will have enemies anyway. |
| 06:22.34 | Guerin | the best way to prevent it is to make it impossible. |
| 06:22.35 | vuud | houland: The stories I have |
| 06:22.47 | Arafangion | houland: The trick is to choose them well :) |
| 06:22.59 | houland | vuud: the next day, the guy may come to work with a shotgun and blow my head off. |
| 06:23.02 | vuud | houland: call your problem user at his desk while your watching him surf porn in the logs... ask him if he is using the internet... |
| 06:23.17 | vuud | its funny |
| 06:23.18 | tn3270 | hehe |
| 06:23.29 | Guerin | vuud: just breathe heavily to him |
| 06:23.40 | Guerin | preferably from somewhere within view |
| 06:23.48 | vuud | Guerin: I doubt they need more stimulation :) |
| 06:24.00 | houland | vuud: at least one told me that its my fault for not knowing how to set up my system properly. |
| 06:24.06 | swamptoo | mmm i have no display now, cant see anything |
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| 06:24.38 | swamptoo | i hit ctrl alt f1 to go back to text prompt but i cant even see that |
| 06:24.51 | insmod | swamptoo: crtl alt F8 |
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| 06:25.07 | insmod | swamptoo: crtl alt F2 or F3 for more |
| 06:25.18 | vuud | houland: Your trying to block just web from a given station? or all Internet access? |
| 06:25.22 | swamptoo | still cant see anything |
| 06:25.42 | hyperhelix | anyone able to answer my question |
| 06:25.43 | fusion | Guerin you're in nz now? |
| 06:25.49 | Guerin | ok, is there something like campaign cartographer in free software? |
| 06:25.51 | Arafangion | Why do the various desktop environments always try to integrate compnents so that only that DE can use them? |
| 06:25.57 | insmod | swamptoo: crtl alt F7 then ctrl alt backspace should kill the setion |
| 06:26.01 | Arafangion | (For example, VFS's, gnome-volume-manager, etc) |
| 06:26.03 | houland | vuud: web browsing only. they need to do ftp. |
| 06:26.03 | Guerin | fusion: have been for a couple months, broke my clavicle in a motorbike accident |
| 06:26.20 | Guerin | Arafangion: lock-in |
| 06:26.26 | fusion | and RE the govt, that tracing thing only works if you search a search engine :P |
| 06:26.31 | Arafangion | Guerin: That's rather ironic. |
| 06:26.36 | Guerin | Arafangion: innit. |
| 06:26.37 | swamptoo | no dice |
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| 06:27.13 | Guerin | fusion: it's not that I have anything to hide, I just don't want to be tracked. I used to ssl it all, but got out of the habit, and the press release made me think of it again. |
| 06:27.26 | fusion | Ahh |
| 06:27.32 | vuud | houland: hmmm, well block everything from that IP, and set up an ftp-proxy. I think that would kill any tunneling... But of course if they change their IP... |
| 06:27.40 | fusion | What ISP you use? What area are you in? |
| 06:27.59 | Arafangion | Guerin: Why don't you just say "collar bone"? |
| 06:28.36 | houland | vuud: i think thaat is worth a try. thks. |
| 06:28.42 | houland | bye. |
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| 06:28.51 | Arafangion | vuud: Once, I just blocked everything, and only gave cache access. (Worked well) |
| 06:28.55 | swamptoo | insmod: I got back in by rebooting and using the recovery mode |
| 06:28.59 | fusion | if you went with xtra, their terms say they can look into your e-mail, your browsing habbits, etc etc |
| 06:29.08 | swamptoo | now I am at the prompt again |
| 06:29.11 | Guerin | Arafangion: keystrokes |
| 06:29.26 | insmod | swamptoo: do you have mc? |
| 06:29.33 | swamptoo | what is mc? |
| 06:29.39 | insmod | just type it |
| 06:29.44 | vuud | Arafangion: Yeah, I run a lot of squid boxes for that. |
| 06:29.48 | insmod | after loged in lol |
| 06:29.54 | swamptoo | command not found |
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| 06:30.00 | Arafangion | vuud: The only issue I had was that dansguardian is a CPU and memory hog. |
| 06:30.11 | hyperhelix | join linux-help |
| 06:30.12 | insmod | go to root then apt-get install mc |
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| 06:30.21 | Arafangion | vuud: So I eventually had to turn that off - but the staff member learnt their lesson ;) |
| 06:30.45 | swamptoo | k got it installed |
| 06:30.57 | vuud | Arafangion: I have oft considered that one - but I see blocking porn like throwing sand in the ocean, it just keeps coming. I do log analysis automatically nightly and maintain records by user |
| 06:30.57 | insmod | swamptoo: type mc |
| 06:30.58 | swamptoo | i am in a file browser type deal |
| 06:31.02 | Arafangion | swamptoo: mc is midnight commander, which is to unix as Xtree Gold is to DOS. |
| 06:31.19 | swamptoo | affirmative |
| 06:31.22 | Arafangion | vuud: Dansguardian is probably the best I have ever seen. |
| 06:31.32 | insmod | swamptoo: scroll down to .files |
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| 06:31.52 | SpaceFrog | hey guys |
| 06:31.57 | Arafangion | vuud: And exceptionally difficult to bypass, if the network is done right. |
| 06:32.11 | insmod | swamptoo: delete all .DCOP @.DCOP .ICE .Xauth |
| 06:32.11 | vuud | Arafangion: I will have to test it out then... mind if I pm you? |
| 06:32.19 | SpaceFrog | quick question.. Will i create problems with my system if I apt-get upgade from unstable repsitories? |
| 06:32.22 | Arafangion | vuud: Sure |
| 06:32.22 | insmod | swamptoo: F8 is delete |
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| 06:32.35 | Arafangion | vuud: I warn that I haven't used it for ages. |
| 06:32.51 | fusion | Hm.. I have been testing to see how I might best overcome this error.. about the disk space. Fdisk says 241GB on sda1, df -h says 1GB.. It seems the "1GB" ruling won.. I get "no space left on device" with 897MB in use.. How might I fix that? |
| 06:32.53 | liable | SpaceFrog: most likely, if you upgrade from sid, you will effectively be running sid |
| 06:33.46 | swamptoo | insmod: ok done |
| 06:34.14 | ootput | hm, is gmane down? |
| 06:34.28 | insmod | swamptoo: F10 is quite then try |
| 06:34.47 | swamptoo | same thing |
| 06:35.05 | insmod | swamptoo: as user? |
| 06:35.05 | simonrvn | fusion: restart some daemons? |
| 06:35.14 | simonrvn | checked with lsof yet? |
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| 06:36.29 | swamptoo | insmod: how do i get back to useR? |
| 06:36.42 | insmod | swamptoo: exit |
| 06:37.00 | SpaceFrog | liable: what's sid? |
| 06:37.03 | insmod | swamptoo: then startkde |
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| 06:37.14 | liable | SpaceFrog: unstable |
| 06:37.24 | evilgeek | hm. why does my ES1370 card not play sound correctly? 'cat /dev/urnadom>/dev/dsp' makes the card play some random tones each for a brief but noticeable time, then eventually it dies with the rror 'cat: write error: input/output error" |
| 06:37.27 | SpaceFrog | ah, that's right. |
| 06:37.33 | SpaceFrog | How "unstable" is it? |
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| 06:37.51 | evilgeek | i do note that it's assigned to IRQ 11, along with a whole bunch of other crap. i still don't get why it would act like this, though. |
| 06:37.56 | jones20992 | how do you exit a channel in bitchx? |
| 06:38.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:38.05 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:38.10 | tarzeau | jones20992: /part as everywhere |
| 06:38.13 | evilgeek | it's magically fixed itself. shrug. |
| 06:38.58 | jones20992 | so it would be /part #ubuntu |
| 06:39.00 | swamptoo | insmod: bunch of errors still 'cant contact kdeinit' 'cannot connec to xserver' 'unable to open display' |
| 06:39.20 | insmod | swamptoo: did it ever work ? |
| 06:39.28 | swamptoo | 'kdeinit $DISPLAY is not set |
| 06:39.43 | insmod | swamptoo: then startkde -- :1 |
| 06:39.44 | fusion | simonrvn, didn't appear to help :/ |
| 06:39.47 | swamptoo | yea i had it all setup perfect, then i install kdm and restarted and it went to hell |
| 06:39.58 | jones20992 | im i still in #debian? |
| 06:40.06 | insmod | swamptoo: ah that is the prob |
| 06:40.27 | insmod | swamptoo: kdm is -- :0 |
| 06:40.28 | jones20992 | op i guess so |
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| 06:40.52 | jones20992 | well how do you turn on the cool colors in console? |
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| 06:41.46 | jones20992 | how do you turn on the cool colors in console? |
| 06:41.50 | swamptoo | insmod: so what to do now? |
| 06:42.04 | evilgeek | what cool colours? |
| 06:42.16 | insmod | swamptoo: did startkde -- :1 work |
| 06:42.33 | swamptoo | no |
| 06:42.36 | swamptoo | same errors |
| 06:42.43 | insmod | swamptoo: what did it say |
| 06:42.53 | jones20992 | evilgeek we have gentoo servers at work and in console its got cool colors i want them in debian? |
| 06:43.03 | swamptoo | exact errors as i told you before ^^ |
| 06:43.11 | liable | jones20992: read .bashrc |
| 06:43.17 | evilgeek | like red and blue and shit? set your PS1 environment variable to something silly. |
| 06:43.18 | jones20992 | ok |
| 06:43.21 | jones20992 | thanks |
| 06:43.51 | insmod | swamptoo: try to fix the kdm or just remove it -- apt-get -f install or apt-get -r kdm |
| 06:44.03 | jones20992 | yeah like that shit bitchx and lynx do it but not in console ....sory i m a newb |
| 06:44.07 | fusion | hrm... hostname <hostname> doesnt seem to last.. after reboot it reverts to the old name how can I fix this? |
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| 06:44.33 | liable | !hostname |
| 06:44.34 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 06:45.12 | fusion | permission denied as root. |
| 06:45.13 | fusion | .. |
| 06:45.29 | jones20992 | liable so do i have to view .bashrt in sudoedit ? |
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| 06:45.55 | liable | jones20992: no |
| 06:46.10 | jones20992 | liable so how do i look in it ? |
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| 06:46.56 | swamptoo | insmod: says command -r is not known when i try to remove |
| 06:47.13 | insmod | swamptoo: try -e |
| 06:47.13 | jones20992 | liable and i cant man it |
| 06:47.35 | fusion | weird.. I reboot the server from console and I get an email saying it was rebooted |
| 06:47.39 | jones20992 | liable please help i am just a newb |
| 06:48.07 | MattZee | try adding this to .bashrc: |
| 06:48.08 | MattZee | # enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases |
| 06:48.08 | MattZee | if [ "$TERM" != "dumb" ]; then |
| 06:48.08 | MattZee | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.08 | MattZee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:48.19 | insmod | swamptoo: sorry dpkg -r kdm |
| 06:49.44 | liable | jones20992: just open it with an editor ~/.bashrc |
| 06:49.53 | liable | brb |
| 06:50.14 | jones20992 | lible dude i dont have an x11 |
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| 06:50.33 | swamptoo | insmod: i want to use kdm instead of xdm should i remove xdm instead? |
| 06:51.05 | insmod | swamptoo: kdm runs xdm -- gdm is best |
| 06:51.31 | insmod | swamptoo: all use xdm as background procs |
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| 06:51.44 | swamptoo | insmod: aha hats where i screwed up then i suppose |
| 06:52.12 | swamptoo | insmod: good to know now....i just uninstalled kdm and stoppped its daemon....tried startx...still same errors |
| 06:52.24 | insmod | swamptoo: why |
| 06:52.44 | swamptoo | you told me to remove kdm |
| 06:52.46 | swamptoo | so i did |
| 06:52.58 | insmod | swamptoo: no why <swamptoo> insmod: aha hats where i screwed up then i suppose |
| 06:53.26 | swamptoo | insmod: i dint know that xdm had to be used |
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| 06:53.54 | insmod | swamptoo: ya -- it may not be kdm but kde -- do other wm run? |
| 06:54.15 | swamptoo | i just have kde and icewm installed |
| 06:54.25 | swamptoo | never used ice yet though |
| 06:54.46 | usr13 | I can't seem to get localhost:631 to come up. I'm thinking my system may be deficient, but not sure what to look for. |
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| 06:54.57 | usr13 | Any hints? |
| 06:55.00 | swamptoo | kde has worked fine until i installed kdm and then things went haywire |
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| 06:55.57 | usr13 | Any clues as to how to get printing configured? |
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| 06:56.28 | swamptoo | this is ridiculous....been on this problem for over 6 hours, i could have formatted and reinstalled 100x by now |
| 06:56.42 | insmod | swamptoo: ya it uses kde and may have upgraded or removed files -- try apt-get install kde* or apt-get install xfce* then startxfce4 |
| 06:57.10 | insmod | lol |
| 06:57.18 | usr13 | How can I find out if cups is being started? |
| 06:57.27 | insmod | finding the answer is the fun part |
| 06:57.28 | usr13 | How can I find out if cups is running? |
| 06:57.32 | fusion | ps aux | grep cupsd |
| 06:57.33 | swamptoo | I hope we do :) |
| 06:58.04 | insmod | usr13: http://localhost:631/admin |
| 06:58.04 | hyperhelix | how do you install the xfce desktop after just installing the base debian system |
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| 06:58.11 | usr13 | ps aux | grep cupsdps aux | grep cupsd returns nothing. |
| 06:58.44 | usr13 | http://localhost:631/admin = connection refused. |
| 06:59.06 | insmod | usr13: then no |
| 06:59.15 | usr13 | ? |
| 06:59.31 | insmod | usr13: it's not running |
| 06:59.47 | usr13 | ps aux | grep cupsd returns nothing. |
| 06:59.56 | swamptoo | insmod: i installed xfce and i get same error when i try to start it |
| 06:59.59 | hyperhelix | if I enter apt-get install xfce-desktop xserver-xorg I get coulsn't find package xfce-desktop |
| 07:00.13 | hyperhelix | couldn't |
| 07:00.20 | tn3270 | i used aptitude |
| 07:00.24 | tn3270 | hangon booting |
| 07:00.25 | insmod | swamptoo: how are you starting it |
| 07:00.40 | usr13 | /etc/init.d/cupsd: No such file or directory |
| 07:00.40 | swamptoo | insmod: 'X server already running on display :0.0' |
| 07:00.47 | usr13 | ? |
| 07:00.49 | Tallu | Note to self. Next time when compiling a kernel remember to remove useless audio drivers for pci cards. Taking ages to compile. :P |
| 07:00.55 | swamptoo | i did 'startxfce4' |
| 07:01.12 | insmod | startxfce4 -- :1 |
| 07:01.12 | karsten | !seen liable |
| 07:01.13 | dpkg | liable <n=liable@pdpc/supporter/active/liable> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11m 20s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
| 07:01.20 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 07:01.24 | usr13 | E: Couldn't find package cupsd |
| 07:02.07 | usr13 | What do I need to install to get printing working in Debian? |
| 07:02.07 | karsten | usr13: cups |
| 07:02.09 | karsten | usr13: ... in theory. |
| 07:02.21 | usr13 | Package cups has no installation candidate |
| 07:02.38 | karsten | !cups |
| 07:02.38 | dpkg | well, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 07:03.06 | karsten | usr13: cupsys |
| 07:03.33 | karsten | !tell usr13 about cups setup |
| 07:03.34 | usr13 | cupsys is already the newest version. |
| 07:03.35 | poonj | hey guys |
| 07:03.44 | poonj | if I use cat * | grep ABC |
| 07:04.05 | poonj | what do I need to do inorder to determine which file the match is from? |
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| 07:04.28 | insmod | usr13: apt-get install cups* |
| 07:05.39 | insmod | poonj: first alfa-numeric i think |
| 07:05.45 | karsten | insmod: Um, what's that supposed to do? |
| 07:05.52 | usr13 | "usr13: apt-get install cups*" results in: "unmet dependenciesusr13:" |
| 07:06.04 | karsten | usr13: That was bogus advice. |
| 07:06.05 | poonj | insmod, what do you mean? |
| 07:06.31 | karsten | usr13: the bot (dpkg) should have just told you what to install and how to configure stuff. |
| 07:06.42 | karsten | usr13: /msg dpkg cups setup |
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| 07:06.48 | insmod | karsten: what |
| 07:06.49 | karsten | usr13: ... Try that, report any issues. |
| 07:06.49 | tn3270 | poonj : try grep ABC * |
| 07:07.05 | karsten | insmod: WTF is "apt-get install cups*" supposed to mean to a n00b? |
| 07:07.14 | insmod | karsten: that installs cups |
| 07:07.19 | karsten | insmod: ... it's not correct, it's not valid, and it's not informative. |
| 07:07.24 | karsten | insmod: Since when does apt-get glob? |
| 07:07.41 | insmod | karsten: my god man |
| 07:07.49 | ivan` | someone probably wants you to install all the cups packages |
| 07:07.51 | karsten | insmod: ... and it does _not_ install cups. 'apt-get install cupsys' would. |
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| 07:08.34 | insmod | karsten: ya and so would mine |
| 07:08.37 | karsten | insmod: I think I know where you're coming from, it's just not particularly appropriate advice for someone who's starting off confused. |
| 07:08.53 | insmod | karsten: but it works |
| 07:09.38 | karsten | insmod: Paste command and output. Use '-s' (show only) if you like. |
| 07:09.53 | karsten | insmod: apt-get doesn't glob commandline arguments. You need to explicitly state packages. |
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| 07:10.33 | tn3270 | karsten : i just tried, it does work |
| 07:10.42 | swamptoo | insmod: I did 'dpkg-reconfigure xdm' then i chose to run 'startfxfce4' and i got in....i cant get back into kde though |
| 07:10.53 | karsten | insmod: Trying with (I'm setting up suspend/hibernate stuff) 'apt-get install acpi*' I get the following message: |
| 07:10.57 | karsten | insmod: Couldn't find package "acpi*". However, the following |
| 07:10.59 | karsten | packages contain "acpi*" in their name: |
| 07:11.00 | karsten | ... |
| 07:11.01 | karsten | Etc. |
| 07:11.15 | insmod | karsten: exact it lists |
| 07:11.20 | neoxan | tgt güt nrur.... tüvdpirlr.... stbri-..-... slllrd im stdvhhab doe nur m1 auf 17mh bromaz gwfh8rrrdddddd´n7sssehbbs7w77w2q66666wwwwwdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddbähge neunbnheun us batprlich stier+la |
| 07:11.21 | insmod | karsten: anyway |
| 07:11.36 | karsten | insmod: Woah. Ok, apt-get *does* regex search. |
| 07:11.39 | karsten | insmod: my bad ;-) |
| 07:11.48 | insmod | karsten: :) |
| 07:11.48 | karsten | insmod: aptitude doesn't, FYI. |
| 07:12.00 | insmod | karsten: never used it |
| 07:12.02 | karsten | neoxan: English and ASCII please. |
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| 07:12.08 | karsten | !tell insmod about aptitude |
| 07:12.09 | insmod | karsten: just apt-get |
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| 07:12.45 | karsten | insmod: aptitude does a number of nice bits, including action logging and better deps resolution, plus a really good interactive mode (though cmdline is similar to apt-get). |
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| 07:12.58 | insmod | karsten: apt-get works just fine thanks |
| 07:13.00 | karsten | tn3270: Noted, btw. |
| 07:13.24 | karsten | insmod: Read the factoid and Joey Hess's post. You're welcome to pick your poison, however I see a few wins. |
| 07:13.50 | insmod | karsten: ah -- don't care to change |
| 07:14.16 | karsten | insmod: Entirely your prerogative, never said you had to. Just pointing out the option and benefits. |
| 07:14.29 | insmod | karsten: synaptic is ok |
| 07:14.37 | karsten | insmod: If you're into GUIs. |
| 07:14.48 | insmod | karsten: if not apt-get |
| 07:14.50 | karsten | insmod: I prefer console/terminal and screenable stuff. |
| 07:15.12 | insmod | karsten: :) you would like my video program then lol |
| 07:15.20 | rosen37 | Please I m upgraded this morning the debian and I ahve a NVIDIA error. I isntanlled the nvidia drivers ans since the upgrade nothing work |
| 07:15.29 | karsten | insmod: ... and I *have* used synaptic. |
| 07:15.36 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 07:15.37 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 07:16.04 | rosen37 | !nvidia installer |
| 07:16.04 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is, like, a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 07:16.17 | tn3270 | !xfce |
| 07:16.18 | dpkg | hmm... xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 07:16.30 | insmod | karsten: http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/ -- console prog i wrote -- am doing gui now |
| 07:16.42 | rosen37 | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 07:16.42 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 07:17.29 | Tallu| | hmm |
| 07:17.58 | karsten | insmod: Cool. Guy was on here last night looking fo rvideo screen capture utilities. |
| 07:18.02 | Tallu| | I created a new kernel 2.6.17.11 with kpkg-make kernel_image and when I tried to install it with dpkg -i packagename.deb and reboot |
| 07:18.12 | Tallu| | it panics (append a correct root=" boot option |
| 07:18.15 | neoxan | aber fediniere mal vitte, wann ich euch so auf die vernven gegangen bun, dass uch das zukünftig unterbindenn jann! |
| 07:18.23 | karsten | !tell Tallu| about paster |
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| 07:18.32 | karsten | Tallu|: Post your /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
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| 07:18.45 | Tallu| | karsten, ok, will do |
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| 07:18.54 | karsten | Tallu|: ... and mountpoints (cat /proc/mounts) |
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| 07:19.26 | insmod | karsten: :) the shrinking ability is my baby |
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| 07:21.56 | Tallu| | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3552 |
| 07:21.59 | swamptoo | insmod: I did 'dpkg-reconfigure xdm' then I 'apt-get install gdm' and then 'startgdm' chose it as my default and rebooted, now everything works again :) thanks so much for helping me out |
| 07:23.23 | karsten | Tallu|: Do you need an initrd for that kernel? |
| 07:24.13 | Tallu| | karsten, uhm.. I dont think so |
| 07:24.36 | Tallu| | Last time I did it like this dpkg -i kernel.deb did everything for me. I'm not as experienced as I'd wish to be |
| 07:24.51 | karsten | Tallu|: grub looks sane, matches other than initrd option. |
| 07:25.24 | troubled | Tallu|: nor are we all :) |
| 07:25.52 | rosen37 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:25.52 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 07:25.56 | karsten | Tallu|: Might try: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17.11 2.6.17.11 |
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| 07:26.05 | karsten | Tallu|: ... and re-run "update-grub" |
| 07:26.11 | karsten | Tallu|: Does your other kernel boot? |
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| 07:27.13 | insmod | swamptoo: :) |
| 07:28.25 | swamptoo | i wasnt aware that you could use gdm as a window manager without having gnome installed ...still learning....debian was easier to install than gentoo though i gotta say that...i'm trying to migrate my systems over to debian now |
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| 07:29.53 | Arafangion | How does one just _add_ a user to a group, without specifying all the groups they are part of? |
| 07:30.48 | swamptoo | Q: anyone have a link or advice on the easiest way to upgrade to kde 3.5.4 ? |
| 07:31.02 | insmod | swamptoo: gdm is not a window manager it's a desktop manager |
| 07:31.04 | karsten | Arafangion: adduser <username> <group> |
| 07:31.09 | karsten | Arafangion: ...I think. |
| 07:31.17 | insmod | swamptoo: glade it works |
| 07:31.24 | tn3270 | Arafangion : edit the /etc/group file |
| 07:31.26 | karsten | Arafangion: Or you can do "adduser <username> <group> $( groups user )" |
| 07:31.41 | rosen37 | nvidia oneliner apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings & and I have no packaes nvidia-glx available? |
| 07:31.45 | karsten | Arafangion: ... if that wipes other group associations. Use the shell escape, Luke! |
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| 07:32.35 | karsten | Arafangion: What were you using? |
| 07:32.54 | karsten | insmod: And here I thought it was an abbreviated curse. |
| 07:32.57 | Arafangion | karsten: Using $(groups user) is probably the best answer, thanks :) |
| 07:33.14 | karsten | Arafangion: NP ;-) |
| 07:33.20 | streuner | Is there a problem with "loop-aes"? |
| 07:33.30 | karsten | Arafangion: ...and if you're using NIS, remember ye olde 16 group limit. |
| 07:33.59 | Arafangion | karsten: I'd imagine that makes things... interesting :) (Thank goodness I'm not using NIS, or NIC+) |
| 07:34.13 | unix_infidel | hey guys, i'm trying to figure out how i can check the integrity of a buncha audio and video files that arent archived. is it possible to use md5sum to check inegrity, and if i pass the output to a file, how can i use md5sum to check the integrity of the source file and the destination file md5sum output? |
| 07:34.29 | Arafangion | unix_infidel: Define "integrity". |
| 07:34.35 | karsten | Arafangion: Yeah. Particularly as Debian makes heavy use of groups for user administration and rights delegation (eg: hw access to cdrom, audion, dialout, etc.). |
| 07:34.54 | unix_infidel | Arafangion: if they have transferred appropriately :P |
| 07:35.02 | Arafangion | karsten: Just using NIS itself probably requires significant customization anyway. |
| 07:35.03 | karsten | Arafangion: ... in practice, since what happens is groups 17+ are truncated, I have to reorder my groups such that the NIS ones show first. |
| 07:35.10 | karsten | Arafangion: You've heard of Enron? |
| 07:35.15 | karsten | Arafangion: ... the Bush Administration? |
| 07:35.20 | karsten | Arafangion: ... the opposite of that ;-) |
| 07:35.24 | Arafangion | What about that? |
| 07:35.38 | Arafangion | Oh, yes :) |
| 07:35.47 | Doat | how can i get rid of KDE programs in GNOME menu? |
| 07:35.54 | karsten | unix_infidel: md5sum has an option to use an md5sum file, read like-named files in pwd, and report differences. |
| 07:36.04 | karsten | Doat: Remove them from your system, or modify your menus. |
| 07:36.18 | karsten | unix_infidel: dittos sha1sum IIRC. |
| 07:36.30 | karsten | unix_infidel: n...and md5sum collisions are now highy reasible. |
| 07:36.30 | unix_infidel | karsten: how would i go about doing that, say i do md5sum /dir/* > file.txt |
| 07:36.37 | karsten | unix_infidel: RTFM |
| 07:36.48 | unix_infidel | karsten: all it says is -c = check. |
| 07:36.57 | unix_infidel | if i have a file.txt output from the souce dir. |
| 07:36.58 | Doat | karsten: how do i modify the menu? |
| 07:37.05 | unix_infidel | how can i check it against the file.txt of the dest. dir. |
| 07:37.12 | karsten | unix_infidel: One sec. May be impelementation differences. |
| 07:37.21 | karsten | Doat: NFC, I don't run GNOME. |
| 07:37.31 | Doat | nfc? |
| 07:37.36 | karsten | Doat: However IIRC there's a menu edito capability either as standard user or root. |
| 07:37.39 | karsten | !nfc |
| 07:37.39 | dpkg | nfc is probably No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 07:38.05 | Arafangion | Funny how the two definitions run together. |
| 07:38.05 | tn3270 | hehe |
| 07:38.05 | Doat | karsten: ok ill try to figure out something. thanks |
| 07:38.49 | karsten | unix_infidel: Sample I just tried, see paster... |
| 07:38.59 | unix_infidel | !paster |
| 07:38.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 07:39.21 | karsten | unix_infidel: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3553 |
| 07:39.28 | karsten | unix_infidel: Had to paste it ;-) |
| 07:39.45 | karsten | unix_infidel: With the '-c' option, the file you give it is a file with a bunch of md5sums. |
| 07:39.55 | karsten | unix_infidel: It finds like named files as previously described. |
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| 07:40.19 | unix_infidel | karsten: relative to the working dir? |
| 07:40.39 | unix_infidel | eg, all *.pdf under the working dir? |
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| 07:42.26 | Tallu| | karsten, the initrd fixed it.. thank you so much! |
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| 07:43.46 | karsten | unix_infidel: Just try it. |
| 07:43.49 | karsten | Tallu|: Cool ;-) |
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| 07:47.23 | rosen37 | ppff nvidia is shitty now , I cant install it :s ma ai nvidia miss source non free or contrib.. I add them, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-(uname -r) depends nvidia-kernel-common >2005... which is not isntallable?? |
| 07:47.37 | unix_infidel | karsten: lol, if i try it and it says its not 'OK' then what's the point. |
| 07:47.55 | unix_infidel | karsten: all i'm asking is, how does it know when i do md5sum -c md5sums that its looking in the proper place. |
| 07:48.00 | karsten | unix_infidel: Then you've got a checksum mismatch. Verify that manually. |
| 07:48.19 | karsten | unix_infidel: I'll assume you've got some working grey matter and can sort that one out yourself. |
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| 07:48.43 | ktwilight_ | unix_infidel, there's avi-info and some other program that does it |
| 07:48.46 | karsten | unix_infidel: ... and if it's not immediately apparent, come up with somelikely scenarios and try them out. |
| 07:48.47 | ktwilight_ | similar to gspot |
| 07:48.58 | unix_infidel | karsten: being able to work with md5sum is not qualification for the presence of non myleinated nerve tissue. |
| 07:49.34 | unix_infidel | eg, if i do md5sum /dir1/* > md5sums |
| 07:49.55 | unix_infidel | how do i point md5sum to the dir2 where i cp -R /dir1/* /dir2/ |
| 07:50.22 | karsten | unix_infidel: Have you tried it yet? |
| 07:50.44 | unix_infidel | karsten: i've done md5sum /dir1/* > md5sums |
| 07:51.02 | unix_infidel | and i'm fine up to that point. |
| 07:51.21 | unix_infidel | but how do i know where md5sum is looking when i do md5sum -c /dir1/md5sums |
| 07:51.43 | epsilon | you know sed? |
| 07:51.49 | unix_infidel | assuming pwd is /dir1 whereas the destination dir is /dir2 |
| 07:52.24 | karsten | epsilon: Not well, but we'd go drinking sometimes. |
| 07:52.54 | karsten | unix_infidel: And you're not generating the checksum file from within the directory for what reason? |
| 07:52.58 | epsilon | cat md5sum | sed s/dir1/dir2/g |
| 07:53.12 | karsten | epsilon: Sure. See above though. |
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| 07:53.40 | unix_infidel | karsten: you mean from dir2? |
| 07:53.51 | unix_infidel | eg, generate the checksum while /dir2 is pwd |
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| 07:53.59 | karsten | unix_infidel: I don't know what I mean. I know what I said. So what did I say? |
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| 07:55.02 | karsten | Anyone know the current suspend2 status in Debian? |
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| 07:56.07 | unix_infidel | karsten: *I* dont dig ambiguity....tell it to any cmd prompt, chicks are another monster entirely. |
| 07:56.10 | karsten | unix_infidel: so what's in dir1 and what's in dir2? What's the relationship of those files and what are you trying to prove about them? |
| 07:56.20 | unix_infidel | karsten: they are all just music files. |
| 07:56.25 | karsten | unix_infidel: If you don't dig ambiguity, chicks are not for you. |
| 07:56.35 | unix_infidel | karsten: another subject another time maybe :) |
| 07:56.39 | karsten | unix_infidel: Random files? The same files? Mix of the above? |
| 07:56.51 | unix_infidel | karsten: random files in souce, same files in dest. |
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| 07:57.07 | unix_infidel | so if i do cp -R /mnt/music/* /mnt/backup |
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| 07:57.29 | unix_infidel | and do md5sum /mnt/music/* > md5sums while pwd is /mnt/backup |
| 07:57.44 | unix_infidel | and then do md5sums -c md5sums from /mnt/backup i should be kosher? |
| 07:58.10 | karsten | unix_infidel: will a similar file have the same or different names, source to dest? |
| 07:58.26 | karsten | unix_infidel: Or in other words: are you trying to match files by md5sum hash, or by filename? |
| 07:58.42 | karsten | unix_infidel: ... and while we're at it, do you have any idea what an md5sum *is*? |
| 07:58.49 | Arafangion | You're still looking at this? |
| 07:59.08 | unix_infidel | karsten: verify on md5sum. |
| 07:59.30 | karsten | Arafangion: No. |
| 07:59.30 | karsten | Arafangion: I'm amusing myself and it's cheapre than good whiskey. |
| 07:59.50 | unix_infidel | Arafangion: i'd much rather sooner than later get this over with. |
| 07:59.51 | karsten | unix_infidel: OK. Then grok this: the directory doesn't matter. |
| 08:00.07 | karsten | unix_infidel: And BTW, clearly stating your problem and goal is very helpful. |
| 08:00.18 | Arafangion | unix_infidel: What don't you understand from the man page? |
| 08:00.22 | sanmarcos | zeke the friendly seabilly.. |
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| 08:00.32 | unix_infidel | karsten: i thought i just did that, i have a buncha audio files, this is what i did. |
| 08:00.35 | karsten | unix_infidel: Go into one of the directories. Generate an md5sums file, wherever you want, from within that directory. |
| 08:00.47 | karsten | unix_infidel: 'md5sum * > <some file name>' |
| 08:00.55 | unix_infidel | karsten: gotcha. |
| 08:00.58 | unix_infidel | done with that part. |
| 08:01.13 | karsten | unix_infidel: Next you're going to try to find matching md5sums from the other directory. So you need to do the same thing there. |
| 08:01.31 | karsten | unix_infidel: How many files, roughly? |
| 08:01.42 | karsten | unix_infidel: 'ls | wc -l' will give about the right answer |
| 08:01.44 | unix_infidel | hundereds. with in buncha subdirs. |
| 08:02.02 | Arafangion | unix_infidel: Do you have at least ssh access, or local access, or whatever? |
| 08:02.16 | unix_infidel | local access |
| 08:02.29 | Arafangion | unix_infidel: diff <dir1> <dir2> |
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| 08:02.42 | Arafangion | unix_infidel: See man page for other options. |
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| 08:03.09 | unix_infidel | Arafangion: again, i'm not trying to do it on a file by file basis. |
| 08:03.24 | unix_infidel | im trying to do it of audio files so i know they will playback correctly. |
| 08:03.37 | unix_infidel | unless diff operates at a bit by bit level? |
| 08:03.39 | g0vner | im looking for KEvin , is he here by other name perhaps? |
| 08:03.43 | rosen37 | mmh nobody can help me to debug my nvidia installation? |
| 08:04.21 | xst | I have a CUPS problem: When I, from my local host, A, try to print to a remote CUPS-host, B, all that comes out from the printer is a sheet with some "@PJL SET foo=bar" lines on it. If I print directly from the remote box (B), the output is just fine. Not even "echo foo | lpr" is printed correctly from hos A. What to do? |
| 08:04.49 | unix_infidel | karsten: so since i have a buncha subdirs i should be doing md5sum */* > md5sums for the source and destination dirs? |
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| 08:08.54 | troubled | unix_infidel: find ./dir/ -exec md5sum {} \; | tee md5sum.txt |
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| 08:11.33 | troubled | heya dork :) |
| 08:11.38 | troubled | unix_infidel: you get that? |
| 08:11.54 | cydork | troubled, hello :) |
| 08:12.25 | unix_infidel | troubled: no, i cant say i understand that command. |
| 08:12.44 | troubled | unix_infidel: you dont need to, just run it :p |
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| 08:12.47 | unix_infidel | to be honest, i'm not trying to be difficult, i'm just trying to understand something really simple. |
| 08:13.30 | troubled | unix_infidel: find ./some/start/dir/point -exec command {} \; where "{} \;" gets translated to the filename found and is passed to "command" |
| 08:14.00 | troubled | unix_infidel: the "\;" is needed cause normally bash interprets ; as meaning next command, so you gotta escape it, make sense? |
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| 08:14.40 | troubled | unix_infidel: the "| tee md5sum" part means, take all that output and send it to the command "tee" which shows it on screen AND saves it to a file "md5sum" at the same time |
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| 08:15.18 | troubled | unix_infidel: or you could just do: find /mymusic -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > md5sum.txt |
| 08:15.33 | troubled | unix_infidel: -type f means only find files since you dont want dir's to be run |
| 08:15.45 | troubled | unix_infidel: make more sense now? |
| 08:15.51 | unix_infidel | troubled: yea, thanks. |
| 08:16.05 | troubled | unix_infidel: np, let me know how it goes |
| 08:16.07 | unix_infidel | then i do that for the source dir? |
| 08:16.40 | troubled | unix_infidel: ya sure |
| 08:17.10 | unix_infidel | then how do i compare the two? |
| 08:17.28 | troubled | unix_infidel: just keep in mind all the files will have the path you gave to find command in it. so if you use say ./ (current dir) then the md5sum check will need to be run from the same dir |
| 08:17.59 | troubled | unix_infidel: md5sum -c md5sum.txt (run from the dir your files are in) |
| 08:18.21 | troubled | unix_infidel: tell me your dir's again and ill give you the syntax |
| 08:18.33 | unix_infidel | troubled: ok, i understand that much. |
| 08:18.39 | dimbit | anyone seen "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source" before? |
| 08:18.48 | cydork | dimbit, etch?? |
| 08:18.49 | unix_infidel | troubled: but say i do md5sum /dir/*/* as all the files are organized into subdirs as well. |
| 08:18.50 | dimbit | yes |
| 08:18.58 | unix_infidel | what's the limitation to that and why wont that work? |
| 08:19.01 | cydork | !etch nvidia |
| 08:19.01 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 08:19.08 | dimbit | ah, k, thx |
| 08:19.15 | Arafangion | unix_infidel: diff can work on entire directory trees. |
| 08:19.18 | troubled | unix_infidel: it wont matter since the find command is used to "feed" md5sum the files. it will recurse |
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| 08:19.47 | troubled | unix_infidel: ill give you a better example.... |
| 08:19.54 | dimbit | cydork, will that have amd64 versions? |
| 08:20.16 | cydork | dimbit, i guess so |
| 08:20.23 | dimbit | cheers |
| 08:20.54 | troubled | unix_infidel: say your music in /mnt/music, type: cd /mnt/music ; find ./ -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > ./md5sum.txt |
| 08:21.34 | troubled | unix_infidel: then to check the files, cd /mnt/music ; md5sum -c ./md5sum.txt |
| 08:21.37 | dimbit | also how do you tell apt to carry on anyway if "the public key is not available"? |
| 08:22.05 | troubled | unix_infidel: just remember, you want to use relative paths and not absolute. You understand the diff between the two right? |
| 08:22.24 | troubled | dimbit: just installed gnupg, should fix that |
| 08:22.33 | dimbit | thx |
| 08:22.41 | troubled | dimbit: least I think that was the fix iirc |
| 08:22.49 | dimbit | already the latest version |
| 08:22.58 | cydork | dimbit, /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 08:23.08 | troubled | dimbit: odd, maybe you need the keys too then. forget |
| 08:23.30 | unix_infidel | troubled: i think so. |
| 08:23.31 | dimbit | hmmm, ok |
| 08:24.04 | troubled | dimbit: sorry, ya, i probably instinctivy downloaded the keys that were reported missing as well, my bad |
| 08:24.21 | troubled | that apt-key thing new to me though |
| 08:24.21 | unix_infidel | troubled: so say i do(from /mnt/backup/music) find /mnt/music -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > md5sums |
| 08:24.27 | Arafangion | What are all these Method execution failed - AE_AML_PACKAGE_LIMIT errors during initial debian installation (after reboot)? |
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| 08:24.44 | unix_infidel | troubled: so say i do(from /mnt/backup/music) find /mnt/backup/music -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > md5sumsofbackup |
| 08:24.52 | unix_infidel | for the destination dir, of course. |
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| 08:25.09 | unix_infidel | then i can just do md5sum -c md5sums md5sumsofbackup |
| 08:25.14 | troubled | unix_infidel: well, if your music is IN /mnt/backup/music, then use find /mnt/backup/music, also, no space between - and type, ie: -type f |
| 08:25.29 | troubled | unix_infidel: nm, bad font made it look like a space |
| 08:26.22 | troubled | unix_infidel: again, just make sure your in the base dir or else the > md5sumofbackup file will be created in the current dir |
| 08:26.25 | unix_infidel | troubled: the source (original files) are in /mnt/music but the backup (copy) is in /mnt/backup/music |
| 08:26.39 | troubled | unix_infidel: grr my bad again. cd into /mnt/backup/music FIRST and then use find ./ |
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| 08:26.59 | dimbit | what's "apt-ket add -" supposed to do? |
| 08:27.08 | dimbit | surely that's looking for something on stdin |
| 08:27.18 | troubled | unix_infidel: or else the md5sumofback file will have /mnt/backup/music/song1.mp3 fkaj;sfja;sjf09fhqhmd5sum and would be a absolute path |
| 08:27.41 | cydork | dimbit, it takes the output of prev. command as stdin. you typed it wrong i guess |
| 08:27.53 | troubled | dimbit: prolly tells apt that the key from the recv-key command of gnupg should be trusted for signing |
| 08:27.55 | unix_infidel | troubled: so you mean to say i should execute the md5sum for the source dir in the source dir and the find + md5sum command for the destination dir in the destination dir? |
| 08:28.17 | unix_infidel | now i'm confused :P |
| 08:28.24 | troubled | unix_infidel: why do you have 2 dirs? a src and dst? |
| 08:28.27 | dimbit | ok |
| 08:28.34 | unix_infidel | troubled: two different partitions. |
| 08:28.39 | troubled | unix_infidel: your not copying files, your making a checksum |
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| 08:28.55 | unix_infidel | troubled: right, i've already copied the two dirs. |
| 08:29.13 | unix_infidel | i'm trying verify the integrity of both dirs that contain the same music with md5sum. |
| 08:29.31 | unix_infidel | eg, /mnt/music is the src and /mnt/backup/music is the dst |
| 08:29.41 | troubled | unix_infidel: oooh hehe. so they are identical and you want to verify the second copy? |
| 08:30.24 | unix_infidel | troubled: that's the idea, sorry if i was unclear. |
| 08:30.24 | unix_infidel | i mean heck, what's the point of a backup if its not going to work correctly. |
| 08:30.26 | dimbit | I still can't apt-get update from deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia |
| 08:30.27 | troubled | unix_infidel: well then, cd into your original dir first. then run: find ./ -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > md5sum.txt |
| 08:30.27 | dimbit | is it easy to add other keys? |
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| 08:30.39 | troubled | unix_infidel: once that completes, copy the md5sum.txt to the second copy and run the check |
| 08:30.39 | cydork | dimbit, yes |
| 08:30.57 | mosgreg | anyone knows what packages I nedd to install so that gimp uses cups-drivers |
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| 08:31.33 | mosgreg | erm,. cups printers of course |
| 08:31.47 | dimbit | sorry to sound stupid, but how? it's not as simple as replacing 2D230C5F with 212253A4F641D1A6 is it? |
| 08:32.01 | troubled | unix_infidel: curious though, why are you bothering to verify a second copy? dont trust the filesystem integrity? or it a restore from cd/dvd and wanna confirm? |
| 08:32.17 | unix_infidel | troubled: you mean to say, go into src dir run that find+md5sum command. then cp md5sum.txt (from src dir to dst dir) then run md5sum -c md5sum.txt (from the dst dir[eg /mnt/backup/music) |
| 08:32.31 | cydork | dimbit, huh?? what are you trying to do? |
| 08:32.45 | unix_infidel | dont trust the fs integrity. |
| 08:32.50 | troubled | unix_infidel: yup. and since your using relative commands it should work providing that the src and dst are identical layouts |
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| 08:33.04 | unix_infidel | but just in general, its a good idea to verify the integrity of a backup no? |
| 08:33.05 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 08:33.12 | dimbit | trying to add the repos from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php to sources.list and update |
| 08:33.32 | troubled | unix_infidel: yes, but normally a backup would be encrypted so the verification would be obvious upon decryption |
| 08:33.50 | unix_infidel | i mean heck, if i've got 100gigs of porn, the disk goes corrupt, if the integrity of the backup is bad and i'm horny, i'm not in a good way. |
| 08:34.03 | unix_infidel | troubled: i dont encrypt my audio files :P |
| 08:34.06 | troubled | unix_infidel: your a sad, sad man |
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| 08:34.35 | troubled | unix_infidel: i suppose your dont need to. but most people would simply tar the suckers and then md5sum a single file |
| 08:35.04 | unix_infidel | troubled: because of the porn analogy or because of the fact that i dont encrypt my audio files? |
| 08:35.08 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 08:35.15 | troubled | unix_infidel: albeit a massive file would be a piece of cake to collide a hash with, but md5sum + filesize + crc would make it damn near impossible |
| 08:35.21 | troubled | :p |
| 08:35.32 | unix_infidel | troubled: yea, i realize it would've been SOOO much easier now.... |
| 08:35.39 | unix_infidel | if i had created a simple tar.gz |
| 08:35.51 | unix_infidel | or even a simple tar as audio files are usually already compressed. |
| 08:36.15 | troubled | unix_infidel: also, gnupg is your friend. I would trust a signed filed a little more. Its still a hash basically, but its also encrypted and can be verified to be tamper free |
| 08:36.36 | unix_infidel | troubled: i use gpg all the time for sensitive data. |
| 08:36.42 | troubled | unix_infidel: where as a md5sum.txt file could be altered in about.... `time md5sum modified.tar > md5sum.txt` |
| 08:37.08 | troubled | unix_infidel: you should sign your files then. tar first. sign at least verify that the file hasnt been altered |
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| 08:37.35 | unix_infidel | troubled: for most of the stuff i just use symmetric encryption for. |
| 08:38.04 | troubled | unix_infidel: usually good enough, keys can be a pain |
| 08:38.21 | troubled | unix_infidel: of course then your fall prey to key loggers |
| 08:38.39 | unix_infidel | heh, if someone had just told me to copy over the md5sum.txt file to the dst dir an hour ago, i might've gotten some sleep tonight :P |
| 08:39.00 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 08:39.00 | troubled | unix_infidel: theres 1001 ways to do everything..... |
| 08:39.05 | unix_infidel | and THEN run the md5sum -c md5sum.txt command ... |
| 08:39.06 | unix_infidel | of course. |
| 08:39.26 | superbleh | hey guys, I'm gonna ask a really dumb question, so I apologize in advance for my lack of leetness, so I'm trying to install debian when my system boots up, and I don't get anything I mean I made it into a series of cd's and I don't know if maybe the iso files require something else (though I thought I followed directions), now should I attempt to maybe try to run it through bios or what? |
| 08:39.43 | unix_infidel | troubled: anyway / regardless, gracias :) |
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| 08:39.48 | troubled | unix_infidel: then of course, if you would have just rtfm when you first started using linux, you would have known how to do this all yourself :) |
| 08:39.49 | Tallu| | Uhm. I'm trying to install 'gnome' and I already have 'x-window-system' installed and I get these unmet dependencies: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3554 |
| 08:40.03 | troubled | unix_infidel: np hehe. let me know how it goes. curious as to your results |
| 08:40.24 | unix_infidel | troubled: well, i did google, i did man md5sum, but this situation is unique. |
| 08:41.17 | superbleh | ;_; |
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| 08:41.54 | troubled | unix_infidel: ya, if md5sum had built in recursion you wouldnt have needed to learn about finds' hard to grasp syntax, complexified by bash escape codes. Like learning 6 diff things at once |
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| 08:42.36 | cydork | Tallu|, check your sources.list and apt-get update. Then try again. |
| 08:42.40 | troubled | Tallu|: not a package guru by any means, but isnt xorg the new x system package? |
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| 08:43.03 | troubled | sorry, still getting used to all the changes with etch |
| 08:43.06 | unix_infidel | troubled: its working fine. the first 100 files are coming back as ok, so i'm going to assume the rest are too :) |
| 08:43.16 | troubled | unix_infidel: never assume! |
| 08:43.19 | troubled | !lart unix_infidel |
| 08:43.24 | Tallu| | cydork, just the vanilla sources there and irssi |
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| 08:43.37 | superbleh | hmm |
| 08:43.41 | sp_ | Hi. I need some help. Just installed Debian using a netinstall. |
| 08:43.42 | Tallu| | troubled, but.. it isnt xorg in stable is it? I mean, that's in etch, sure.. or did they upgrade it to sarge too? |
| 08:44.05 | sp_ | Can someone give me their sources.list? So i can see what I need to put in it |
| 08:44.11 | sp_ | All I have right now is main |
| 08:44.23 | troubled | Tallu|: ah sorry, i doubt it in sarge (no idea really). ya its etch. but hey, etch should be out shortly |
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| 08:44.26 | unix_infidel | what will md5sum say for a failed check, most of this stuff is coming out "...:OK" |
| 08:44.39 | troubled | unix_infidel: failed i think |
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| 08:44.44 | Zap-W | does sarge have x.org? |
| 08:44.46 | Tallu| | troubled, yeah I know.. just cant put etch on a production server yet :) |
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| 08:45.02 | troubled | Tallu|: and you can put X on it? :) |
| 08:45.12 | dimbit | gah, now it's bitching about rivafb |
| 08:45.15 | cydork | Zap-W, /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 08:45.28 | troubled | Tallu|: and X screw up can bring a boxen to its knee's faster than you can say panic |
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| 08:45.40 | Tallu| | troubled, well, i dont see x by itself unstable, just maybe resource hungry.. :P |
| 08:45.44 | troubled | s/^and/an/ |
| 08:46.05 | Tallu| | But yeah, you do have a point there. |
| 08:46.09 | cydork | Tallu|, it's preety stable, considering other linux oses out there :), i think some thing is wrong with your sources or the mirror might be broken |
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| 08:46.30 | troubled | Tallu|: just saying that ive noticed that pam can setup resource limits on everything, but of course no distro comes stock with it setup to stop say a runaway X session |
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| 08:46.46 | troubled | ...or anything for that matter |
| 08:46.51 | Zigara | Hey, I have a dual xeon cpu server running debian, i was wondering how i could assign a proccess to the secound cpu and another proccess to the first cpu? |
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| 08:47.10 | cydork | Zigara, that's what kernel do :) |
| 08:47.12 | Tallu| | troubled, I suppose I'll just leave that box without X :) |
| 08:47.13 | troubled | debian...the distro that gives you everything and the kitchen sink, but all of it still in boxes |
| 08:47.35 | troubled | Tallu|: lol, dont let me dictate your desires to install shit |
| 08:47.37 | Zigara | cydork, i cant assign a proccess to the other cpu? :( |
| 08:47.47 | troubled | hmm, bad grammer me thinks be there |
| 08:47.50 | Tallu| | troubled, nah, I'm not. I'm just listening to what you're saying |
| 08:47.52 | fusion | what should I do about this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Un7WAG46.html it gets very very annoying, i cant use ssl etc because of it |
| 08:48.37 | sp1234 | Hi. Can someone tell me what else to put in the sources list other than "main"? |
| 08:48.56 | cydork | !sources.list |
| 08:48.56 | dpkg | sources.list is, like, something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian <etch/sid> main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 08:49.01 | cydork | sp1234, ^^ |
| 08:49.12 | troubled | fusion: no idea, I hate the thought of locales personally. but i would start with apt-cache search locales and see if anything catches your eyes |
| 08:49.17 | sp1234 | cydork: ty |
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| 08:49.34 | Dan01 | morning guys |
| 08:49.42 | troubled | Dan01: mornin Mr. Usb :) |
| 08:49.46 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 08:49.49 | troubled | Dan01: how'd it go? |
| 08:49.51 | sp1234 | cydork: and what else do i need to put in it? I will be using it for a regular system on my laptop |
| 08:49.56 | Dan01 | i left it |
| 08:49.56 | cydork | Dan01, so did it work :P |
| 08:50.17 | troubled | Dan01: bah, you wrecked my whole day! I was looking forward to hearing some stories |
| 08:50.23 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 08:50.29 | cydork | sp1234, that much is more than enough i guess :) |
| 08:50.30 | Tallu| | zottel, I'm sorry I cant seem to remember my password for nickserv.. but this was the problem with X: <Tallu|> Uhm. I'm trying to install 'gnome' and I already have 'x-window-system' installed and I get these unmet dependencies: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3554 |
| 08:50.59 | sp1234 | cydork: ok. let me see :) |
| 08:51.19 | Dan01 | i was going to ask though if i used my old kernel config 2.4.8 and imported that into the menuconfig the usb should work right? |
| 08:51.22 | sp1234 | I'm just glad i got 1280x800 resolution right out of the box. |
| 08:51.35 | troubled | Dan01: these days you never know :) |
| 08:51.40 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 08:51.42 | Dan01 | true |
| 08:51.48 | cydork | sp1234, see debian is not that bad :) |
| 08:51.48 | sp1234 | 25 mins to download.. |
| 08:51.51 | superbleh | Help!!!! O_O |
| 08:52.00 | sp1234 | cydork: i like debian... used to use it till 2001 :( |
| 08:52.01 | Dan01 | :> |
| 08:52.05 | troubled | Dan01: i would be looking at the initrd crap (P.O.S. invention if you ask me! lol) |
| 08:52.05 | sp1234 | cydork: and after that, windows |
| 08:52.14 | Dan01 | suppose |
| 08:52.21 | Dan01 | i built a new kernel |
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| 08:52.28 | Dan01 | and it used its own image |
| 08:52.33 | Dan01 | for boot this time |
| 08:52.36 | Dan01 | like someone said |
| 08:52.49 | sp1234 | make oldconfig |
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| 08:53.19 | troubled | Dan01: cause either its compiled in, or its a mod or its not available. Now obviously you didnt compile the right thing in. My next check would be, ok its a module, but is it being loaded? Start with a lsmod of a known working install and compare bootups (using ssh perhaps?) |
| 08:53.23 | superbleh | hey guys, I'm gonna ask a really dumb question, so I apologize in advance for my lack of leetness, so I'm trying to install debian when my system boots up, and I don't get anything I mean I made it into a series of cd's and I don't know if maybe the iso files require something else (though I thought I followed directions), now should I attempt to maybe try to run it through bios or what? |
| 08:53.36 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 08:53.39 | Dan01 | good idea dude |
| 08:53.52 | troubled | superbleh: cd even boot? |
| 08:54.13 | Dan01 | thing is though is i need a good time on my dedi when people aren't using it to do the kernel upgrade for real not just at home |
| 08:54.18 | Dan01 | its 09:54am atm |
| 08:54.28 | sp1234 | superbleh: You have to set your BIOS to boot off the CDROM as the first device. Then, you put the first CD into the drive and wait. |
| 08:54.39 | sp1234 | superbleh: Did you burn the iso as an image? or as a data cd? |
| 08:54.51 | troubled | Dan01: you have a second machine handy? should check into arp poisoning and high availability/heartbeat |
| 08:54.55 | e-type | can I pick i686 kernel image for a k6-2 cpu? |
| 08:54.56 | Dan01 | yes |
| 08:55.17 | Dan01 | i am doing this messing about on a spare box at home |
| 08:55.19 | troubled | sp1234: hehe, prolly data :) |
| 08:55.45 | xst | I try to use munin to monitor my server. How do I install the apache plugin that monitors the apache performance/load? |
| 08:56.10 | troubled | Dan01: i would consider setting up hearbeat and the like then to take over the primary ip and services so you can reboot the sucker |
| 08:56.23 | Dan01 | suppose |
| 08:56.24 | Dan01 | http://pastebin.ca/149953 |
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| 08:56.27 | troubled | Dan01: at LEAST setup distcc on both! cut your compiles in half |
| 08:56.32 | Dan01 | thats my lsmod atm |
| 08:56.39 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 08:56.48 | Dan01 | the box is a 3.2ghz xeon lol |
| 08:56.53 | troubled | Dan01: also, turn off all the mod's in kernel for shit you aint ever gonna use like wan cards and 10gbit and ham radio etc |
| 08:57.02 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 08:57.26 | Dan01 | that pastebin is the output of the 2.6.17 non working usb kernel |
| 08:57.35 | Dan01 | i'll try now with old 2.4.8 |
| 08:57.59 | troubled | Dan01: so ehci_hcd, usbcore. sounds like it |
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| 08:58.25 | Dan01 | yeah they don't seem to be there |
| 08:58.32 | troubled | sec, i dont use a usb board, but ill see what i got goin on. also, see if those 2 modules are loaded from /etc/modules, or if they are from discover during boot |
| 08:58.51 | troubled | Dan01: if you can ssh, try modprobe them now and use your keyboard |
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| 08:59.41 | Dan01 | will do |
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| 08:59.44 | superbleh | ...yeah so i got kicke |
| 08:59.45 | cydork | Dan01, did you add the support for usb_hid as built in coz i didn't see it in your modules |
| 08:59.45 | superbleh | d |
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| 08:59.53 | Dan01 | not sure |
| 08:59.54 | superbleh | right when someone replies! |
| 08:59.55 | troubled | Dan01: usbhid is missing. i have you didnt? |
| 09:00.04 | Dan01 | hmm |
| 09:00.11 | Dan01 | gimmie a sec guys |
| 09:00.54 | troubled | mind you im using ohci instead |
| 09:01.20 | superbleh | anyway as i said no, it didn't start when i rebooted, I don't know why |
| 09:01.25 | Dan01 | FATAL: Module usb_core not found. |
| 09:01.27 | Dan01 | hmm |
| 09:01.40 | troubled | superbleh: if you put in a windows cd or something else that boots, does it? |
| 09:01.47 | Dan01 | it was ok when i did modprobe echi_hcd |
| 09:01.48 | superbleh | yeah. |
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| 09:02.05 | troubled | superbleh: also, another point was brought up, did you make the iso image? or accidently save the .iso TO a cdr? |
| 09:02.15 | cydork | Dan01, heheheh |
| 09:02.19 | sp1234 | superbleh: You have to set your BIOS to boot off the CDROM as the first device. Then, you put the first CD into the drive and wait. |
| 09:02.22 | sp1234 | superbleh: Did you burn the iso as an image? or as a data cd? |
| 09:02.34 | troubled | Dan01: did you not install discover and hotplug the other day? |
| 09:02.40 | Dan01 | i did yes |
| 09:02.47 | sp1234 | linux-image-2.6.16-20686 |
| 09:02.53 | superbleh | I just burned it straight |
| 09:02.55 | superbleh | so data -_- |
| 09:02.58 | troubled | Dan01: so the ehci that was loaded wasnt your doing? and it isnt in /etc/modules? |
| 09:02.58 | cydork | Dan01, i gues you forgot to build usbcore ;) |
| 09:03.03 | sp1234 | you need to burn it as an image!! |
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| 09:03.08 | sp1234 | superbleh: what did you use to burn? |
| 09:03.08 | superbleh | how!? |
| 09:03.12 | superbleh | just my cdr. |
| 09:03.13 | sp1234 | what software? |
| 09:03.13 | Dan01 | i think so too |
| 09:03.19 | superbleh | and usual windows explorer |
| 09:03.20 | troubled | sp1234: good call |
| 09:03.25 | Dan01 | i'll take a look at menuconfig again... |
| 09:03.38 | troubled | superbleh: explorer only burns data cd :( |
| 09:03.39 | superbleh | just windows explorer wizard, there's no oem software for burning. |
| 09:03.42 | superbleh | ah... |
| 09:03.44 | superbleh | well then! |
| 09:04.00 | sp1234 | superbleh: er, dunno. Get some free burning software and burn it as an image... i dunno which though |
| 09:04.03 | troubled | superbleh: you can tell if you put the cd in drive and filename.iso shows up all by its lonesome |
| 09:04.13 | sp1234 | i have Nero on windows that burns .iso fiiles as an image. |
| 09:04.18 | superbleh | yeah its all by its lonesome. |
| 09:04.24 | troubled | sp1234: I would suggest knoppix iso but....catch .22? :p |
| 09:04.31 | sp1234 | yeah. catch 22. |
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| 09:04.38 | ftatr2006 | hello |
| 09:04.40 | troubled | superbleh: note to yourself, use cdrw's :) |
| 09:04.41 | superbleh | so I'll do that, but what about getting it to install, just using bios to use D as primary? |
| 09:04.53 | superbleh | haha yeah good point. |
| 09:04.58 | troubled | superbleh: i think all will be made clearn when you burn the iso properly |
| 09:04.59 | ftatr2006 | im breand new right out of the box |
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| 09:05.07 | superbleh | ah okay |
| 09:05.20 | sp1234 | i just downloaded the netinstall iso and burnt it. it is 150MB and has a GUI installer :D |
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| 09:05.30 | sp1234 | its just the same stuff as the text install, except in a GTK screen |
| 09:05.34 | sp1234 | its nice though :) |
| 09:05.34 | troubled | ftatr2006: oh god no.... |
| 09:05.45 | Daemoz | I loved the look of my Fedora box soo much, why can't I get debian to look like this http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/codvx/Screenshot.png =[[ |
| 09:05.50 | superbleh | I think i'll just attempt to install damnsmalllinux just as a test though so I don't ruin more cd's while I get the cdrw's |
| 09:05.50 | sp1234 | and right now, i am apt-get upgrading :D |
| 09:05.55 | pinky_ | I've got an unreachable NFS mount that I cannot unmount "umount -f /mnt/nfs" isn't working. |
| 09:06.01 | troubled | sp1234: ya, wasnt that gui installed something? wasnt choppy or laggy like most gtk's are on this box |
| 09:06.06 | Dan01 | ok here we go :> |
| 09:06.11 | sp1234 | troubled: it installed fine :D |
| 09:06.12 | Dan01 | <M> Support for Host-side USB tht is on |
| 09:06.12 | troubled | Dan01: working? |
| 09:06.24 | Dan01 | doing menuconfig atm |
| 09:06.25 | sp1234 | sp1234: and after the base install, and the GUI, am upgrading. |
| 09:06.26 | Daemoz | Someone make my debian look like my old box! http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/codvx/Screenshot.png pleeaasse |
| 09:06.42 | ftatr2006 | i mount my ntsf partition as read only but my regular xwindows user cant see the drive can sone one help? |
| 09:06.42 | epsilon | which hash function is mysql using for the password? looks like md5, but only half size of md5... |
| 09:06.51 | troubled | sp1234: i only had 1 issue, minor. When I got to exim config questions, i hit forward by mistake, when i hit back it just skipped past it all and kept going |
| 09:07.04 | troubled | epsilon: crypt then? |
| 09:07.07 | superbleh | Anyways, I'm off, thanks people. |
| 09:07.14 | troubled | superbleh: gl, l8r |
| 09:07.19 | sp1234 | Daemoz: what's wrong? its just a regular screenshot. You can do the same with debian. install gkrellm, etc etc |
| 09:07.37 | Daemoz | I did |
| 09:07.43 | Daemoz | It never looks the same |
| 09:07.47 | cydork | Daemoz, I hate that look :P |
| 09:07.49 | Daemoz | like, i want EVERY ICON |
| 09:07.51 | troubled | Daemoz: damn, you should see my gnome installl....nothing fancy but.... |
| 09:07.59 | Daemoz | I just love that look |
| 09:08.06 | Daemoz | Maybe because i've used it soo long |
| 09:08.10 | troubled | Daemoz: gkrellm is the addon you want |
| 09:08.16 | Daemoz | I have it |
| 09:08.26 | Daemoz | I have the same skin for xmms, gkrellm |
| 09:08.32 | Daemoz | It's just all the fonts and icons |
| 09:09.07 | Dan01 | when i do / to search for usb stuff like usbcore usb-ohci its not displaying any search results |
| 09:09.08 | Daemoz | 100s of icons |
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| 09:09.11 | sp1234 | Daemoz: you prolly need mscorettfonts or something. |
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| 09:09.25 | sp1234 | daemoz and themes. look at art.gnome.org, or gnomelook.org |
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| 09:09.41 | sp1234 | daemoz look around, and you can get it to look the same, or better. |
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| 09:10.23 | sp1234 | yay. 90% updates done. |
| 09:10.57 | sp1234 | Is there some software to communicate with bluetooth devices? Like my mobile phone? |
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| 09:12.31 | e-type | is there a reason why checkinstall is not in testing distribution? |
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| 09:12.51 | Dan01 | guys http://pastebin.ca/149963 thats my /etc/modules |
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| 09:13.27 | Dan01 | which has no usb stuff |
| 09:13.48 | sp1234 | bye. update and reboot time. |
| 09:14.14 | troubled | Daemoz: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/troubled_02/b9a8a8e8.png |
| 09:14.18 | troubled | damn that service sucks |
| 09:14.25 | cydork | Dan01, what about lsmod? modprobe usb_hid? modprobe usbcore? |
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| 09:14.32 | troubled | i swear they want your first born kid just to upload a fsckin picture |
| 09:14.55 | troubled | Daemoz: my bad, the 10 min i spent registering I missed your replies eheh |
| 09:14.57 | Dan01 | not found |
| 09:15.06 | Dan01 | i have edited that file |
| 09:15.14 | Dan01 | and put the usb module in there |
| 09:15.31 | Dan01 | because i have compiled the kernel with those modules |
| 09:16.33 | troubled | Daemoz: mind you thats just a plain jane gde install. no skins or anything for gkrellm |
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| 09:18.16 | Daemoz | troubled: You don't find those ions ugly? |
| 09:18.25 | Daemoz | troubled: like the teminal, file manager? |
| 09:18.45 | Daemoz | icons |
| 09:19.06 | troubled | Daemoz: ya. it came with a few themes, but between us, i barely ever see my desktop |
| 09:19.32 | Daemoz | why |
| 09:19.33 | troubled | Daemoz: and until I put the real radeon kernel tainin' mod in, i dont feel like using transparencies |
| 09:19.54 | troubled | Daemoz: cause I always got 20 windows open blocking everything :) |
| 09:20.23 | Daemoz | I love my fedora, id stick with it, but I cant even update, package management just sucks |
| 09:20.28 | Daemoz | And it's in dependancy hell |
| 09:20.52 | Daemoz | I wish I could just make a complete copy of my fedora X, and bring it to deb |
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| 09:21.22 | troubled | Daemoz: cant you just export the theme and reimport it into deb? |
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| 09:21.41 | ftatr2006 | can soeme one help me??? |
| 09:21.53 | Daemoz | troubled: no, It never brings all the program icons |
| 09:21.55 | cydork | ftatr2006, not unless we know the problem |
| 09:22.11 | ftatr2006 | im brand new ' |
| 09:22.13 | ftatr2006 | lol |
| 09:22.17 | Daemoz | o.O |
| 09:22.26 | cydork | ftatr2006, how much did you cost ??? :;) |
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| 09:22.45 | ftatr2006 | .01 |
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| 09:23.09 | ftatr2006 | im moving oway from windows |
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| 09:23.20 | cydork | ftatr2006, good boy :) |
| 09:23.24 | ftatr2006 | lol |
| 09:23.27 | pinky_ | What do you do when kill -9 doesn't work as root? |
| 09:23.29 | Daemoz | Now take this pill |
| 09:23.35 | troubled | pinky_: reboot |
| 09:23.38 | pinky_ | damn |
| 09:23.39 | ftatr2006 | blue pill |
| 09:23.42 | troubled | pinky_: or kill the parent process |
| 09:23.51 | Daemoz | ok, ill go ahead and give you the red one |
| 09:24.01 | ftatr2006 | ok |
| 09:24.06 | ftatr2006 | il take both |
| 09:24.17 | Daemoz | You gonna dual with grub or lilo? |
| 09:24.20 | pinky_ | troubled; How do I find the PID of the parent? |
| 09:24.29 | troubled | pinky_: ps xaf |
| 09:24.30 | cydork | ftatr2006, this can go on all day, what's your problem :P |
| 09:24.42 | ftatr2006 | no dual |
| 09:24.43 | ftatr2006 | lol |
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| 09:25.21 | pinky_ | troubled; And if it had no parent.... reboot? |
| 09:25.34 | troubled | pinky_: what isnt dying? is it defunct? |
| 09:25.35 | ftatr2006 | i mounted the ntfs parition as read only. and im brand new and i cant get the stupid GUI to like read the drive |
| 09:25.45 | pinky_ | EasyTag |
| 09:25.49 | pinky_ | It's no defunct |
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| 09:26.12 | fooadd | troubled, it's a zomibe(??) process, and only solution is to ... reboot?? |
| 09:26.13 | troubled | ftatr2006: man mount, you gotta set a uid and gid to mount as or only root can read it |
| 09:26.13 | Daemoz | Did you give it a chroot so all users can read it? |
| 09:26.13 | ftatr2006 | lol |
| 09:26.26 | Daemoz | chroot 777 bliggityblue |
| 09:26.31 | troubled | fooadd: i forget the specifics on zombies... |
| 09:26.34 | troubled | !zombie |
| 09:26.35 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 09:26.52 | Daemoz | Or shoot it in the head |
| 09:26.55 | Daemoz | That seems to work |
| 09:27.08 | cydork | !ntfs |
| 09:27.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs |
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| 09:27.14 | troubled | still takin up mem it would seem, but no clock cycles at least |
| 09:27.14 | cydork | ftatr2006, ^^ |
| 09:27.18 | Daemoz | !rumour |
| 09:27.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, I think. |
| 09:27.28 | syntaxx | on my apache is it ok to create a symbolic link from my ntfs? |
| 09:27.33 | Daemoz | yep |
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| 09:27.58 | troubled | syntaxx: so long as apache has permission to read the file why not |
| 09:28.10 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 09:28.12 | epsilon | how's the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf generated? |
| 09:28.19 | troubled | syntaxx: keep in mind issues with cr->lf though in text files. not sure how apache would handle |
| 09:28.21 | Daemoz | Very carefully |
| 09:28.24 | ftatr2006 | o thank you |
| 09:28.36 | ftatr2006 | i havent tried it yet |
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| 09:30.34 | syntaxx | troubled, how can i link a whole folder? ln -s downloads /windows/path/to/share? |
| 09:30.38 | Daemoz | Maybe i'll just use xfce4 |
| 09:30.40 | Daemoz | It looks nice |
| 09:31.03 | Daemoz | Can I install gnome-terminal in xfce? |
| 09:31.06 | troubled | syntaxx: man ln! |
| 09:31.07 | Dan01 | lol |
| 09:31.13 | troubled | my god man |
| 09:31.15 | Dan01 | that didn't work |
| 09:31.21 | troubled | Dan01: ? |
| 09:31.23 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 09:31.26 | Dan01 | editing the .e |
| 09:31.33 | Dan01 | ./etc/modules file |
| 09:31.38 | Dan01 | lol |
| 09:32.00 | troubled | Dan01: what, the module didnt load even after you put it in /etc/modules? |
| 09:32.06 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 09:32.18 | Dan01 | this is getting more n00b by the day |
| 09:32.30 | Dan01 | its so stupid aswell :> |
| 09:32.41 | troubled | Dan01: damn it man, just go get a usb -> ps2 adaptor and be done with it lol |
| 09:32.47 | Dan01 | lol |
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| 09:33.01 | Dan01 | i cannot fail!!!!! |
| 09:33.02 | Dan01 | lol |
| 09:33.11 | troubled | Dan01: turn off module support! |
| 09:33.53 | troubled | ok, what modules are loaded when you boot? and whats your dmesg say? any indications? |
| 09:34.06 | Dan01 | gimmie sec |
| 09:34.10 | Dan01 | its loading up now |
| 09:34.13 | Dan01 | done |
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| 09:34.52 | Dan01 | http://pastebin.ca/149973 |
| 09:35.14 | troubled | you know...pastebin was only at about 2000 before you started this usb crap.... |
| 09:35.14 | Dan01 | its getting loaded ffs |
| 09:35.22 | Dan01 | lol :P |
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| 09:35.43 | peppo | anyone know about a place to get packages for sqlite2 stuff (Python) for Debian stable? |
| 09:35.53 | troubled | Dan01: wtf is the hid support? didnt you make modules? |
| 09:36.22 | Dan01 | all i have done is ticked the box in make menuconfig |
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| 09:36.28 | Dan01 | so its [M] |
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| 09:36.46 | cydork | Dan01, modprobe it |
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| 09:36.54 | troubled | Dan01: take a look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` for youe usbhid |
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| 09:37.31 | fooadd | peppo, search apt-get.org |
| 09:37.54 | Dan01 | 2.4.27-2-386 2.6.17 2.6.17.2 2.6.17.2old thats whats in that folder |
| 09:38.01 | Dan01 | :| |
| 09:38.07 | ftatr2006 | i don't get it |
| 09:38.53 | troubled | Dan01: cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/input |
| 09:39.15 | Dan01 | aiptek.ko kbtab.ko powermate.ko usbhid.ko usbkbd.ko usbmouse.ko wacom.ko |
| 09:39.17 | troubled | Dan01: try modprobe usbkdb? |
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| 09:39.31 | Dan01 | not found |
| 09:39.34 | troubled | err bd |
| 09:39.41 | Dan01 | scale of 1 2 10 this is a 9 |
| 09:39.57 | syntaxx_ | troubled, can you recommed a nice ftp server? |
| 09:40.01 | Dan01 | vsftpd |
| 09:40.17 | troubled | syntaxx: what Dan01 said, kernel.org uses it i think |
| 09:40.21 | syntaxx_ | thanks |
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| 09:40.45 | troubled | syntaxx: depends if you want speed, features or security etc.all are diff |
| 09:40.46 | Dan01 | you may want to read docs about config file |
| 09:40.52 | Dan01 | you can customize it quite a bit |
| 09:40.57 | Dan01 | chroot and stuff |
| 09:41.06 | troubled | hate ftp personally anyways |
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| 09:42.05 | syntaxx_ | Dan01, ok the first run where is the share directory in it? |
| 09:42.26 | Dan01 | sorry? |
| 09:42.44 | syntaxx_ | Dan01, the directory where i share my files |
| 09:42.53 | Dan01 | oh |
| 09:42.55 | Dan01 | sorry lol |
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| 09:43.40 | Dan01 | you can use /home/ftp something for anonymouse ftp or your home dirs |
| 09:43.55 | Dan01 | you need to enable local user login |
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| 09:44.05 | Dan01 | theres a lot of ways to do it |
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| 09:44.29 | troubled | Dan01: makes you wonder just what it is he's sharing hehe |
| 09:44.36 | Dan01 | heh |
| 09:44.37 | Dan01 | dude |
| 09:44.50 | Dan01 | it cant' be any worse than my kernel aventures |
| 09:44.55 | troubled | lol |
| 09:44.59 | Dan01 | typo not sure |
| 09:45.12 | troubled | Dan01: btw, what happened when you modprobe'd the usbhid and usbkbd? |
| 09:45.15 | Dan01 | adventures* |
| 09:45.34 | Dan01 | can'tlocate usbhid |
| 09:45.48 | Dan01 | same with other |
| 09:45.53 | troubled | Dan01: you should wipe that whole dir and reinstall the modules |
| 09:46.06 | troubled | Dan01: for some reason they didnt compile or get installed properly |
| 09:46.14 | Dan01 | can i do that with the kernel reinstall though? |
| 09:46.27 | troubled | Dan01: ? |
| 09:46.35 | troubled | Dan01: make modules modules_install? |
| 09:46.37 | Dan01 | when i dpkg -i the kernel image |
| 09:46.37 | cydork | Dan01, not while you are running it :P |
| 09:46.44 | Dan01 | ok |
| 09:47.12 | troubled | Dan01: actually you can, long as you dont try do anything that loads mods |
| 09:47.28 | troubled | a file in use wont unlink until its closed, even if you move/erase it |
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| 09:48.18 | Dan01 | i am doing the modues install now |
| 09:48.34 | troubled | Dan01: seems like the files that are there are left over from a diff compile and arent available to the kernel |
| 09:48.43 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 09:49.25 | troubled | Dan01: your prolly gonna reboot to get kernel to reload the dep's though or what ever they call it in kernel speakanees |
| 09:49.39 | liable | depmod -a? |
| 09:49.52 | troubled | good point |
| 09:49.54 | Dan01 | http://pastebin.ca/149977 |
| 09:50.02 | Dan01 | ok |
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| 09:50.18 | Dan01 | thats my 2001 pastebin post :> |
| 09:50.41 | troubled | liable: only concern is his current kernel may not be compiled to link against the modules he's about to install |
| 09:50.46 | Dan01 | so it made them |
| 09:50.54 | troubled | seems to be all mixed up atm |
| 09:51.44 | troubled | try the depmod though, just might work (duh hehe, forgot about what that actually did over the years) |
| 09:53.07 | troubled | curious, does the make distclean also wipe out the /lib/modules dir as well? |
| 09:54.39 | nvz | ']aw][ |
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| 09:56.29 | troubled | s/at/towards/ meh |
| 09:57.34 | cydork | heheh |
| 09:57.40 | troubled | there ya go.... |
| 09:58.07 | blondie | Diazepam is locked in troubled's basement |
| 09:58.21 | troubled | he's all mine, and I aint sharing! |
| 09:58.28 | blondie | ;o |
| 09:58.49 | troubled | now only if I knew what kinda drug Diazepam was heh |
| 09:58.57 | troubled | !dict Diazepam |
| 09:58.59 | dpkg | Dictionary 'Diazepam' a tranquilizer (trade name Valium) used to relieve anxiety and relax muscles; acts by enhancing the inhibitory actions of the neurotransmitter GABA; can also be used as an anticonvulsant drug in cases of nerve agent poisoning |
| 09:59.03 | troubled | ahhhh |
| 09:59.41 | troubled | it makes you wonder how they figured out Diazepam works against nerve agents :) |
| 10:00.08 | troubled | Late night sneaky Dr. at the local jail eh? :) |
| 10:01.26 | troubled | Dan01: so....luck? |
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| 10:03.49 | xri | Hey all, I just installed KDE, and it looks like crap, how do I turn anti-aliasing on? |
| 10:04.54 | xri | mhmm? |
| 10:05.16 | Dan01 | lol |
| 10:05.35 | Dan01 | not yet troubled |
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| 10:05.59 | MoDaX | xri: control center -> apperance -> fonts |
| 10:06.15 | troubled | Dan01: could it at least find the modules this time? |
| 10:06.19 | blondie | xri: replace it with gnome? |
| 10:06.30 | xri | MoDaX: I did |
| 10:06.33 | blondie | (anti-aliasing won't stop KDE looking crap) |
| 10:06.39 | troubled | !radeon |
| 10:06.39 | dpkg | radeon is probably the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 10:06.42 | Dan01 | i made it again |
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| 10:06.56 | Dan01 | kernel panic need to fix that first |
| 10:06.58 | MoDaX | blondie: I think the same about gnome |
| 10:07.20 | xri | ModAX; stuff like menus look fine, but in webbrowsers, and when I type in anything such as openoffice, ect, it comes out non-anti-aliased-looking... |
| 10:07.24 | blondie | MoDaX: you'd be wrong then :P |
| 10:07.58 | MoDaX | xri: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 10:08.03 | xri | ok |
| 10:09.01 | xst | I do not quite understand the apache-accesses graph in munin: Why does the "m" mean in the y-axis labels ("100 m", "200 m", etc.)? |
| 10:09.23 | xst | It cannot be "million access per second" |
| 10:09.27 | xri | MoDaX: Let me get a screenshot |
| 10:09.35 | MoDaX | xri: ok |
| 10:09.38 | troubled | Dan01: how the hell you panic? |
| 10:10.33 | syntaxx | im just wondering if someone is downloading from you.. your download rate decreases? |
| 10:10.42 | Dan01 | it couldn't find dev fs |
| 10:10.53 | Dan01 | no your upload decreases |
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| 10:10.55 | Dan01 | :P |
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| 10:11.09 | MoDaX | blondie: gnome is too boring for my taste - a typical corporate desktop |
| 10:11.22 | xri | ambarrased asking this.. |
| 10:11.29 | xri | prntscreen isnt taking a screenshot in KDE.. |
| 10:11.35 | xri | embarrased* |
| 10:11.39 | xri | =S |
| 10:11.43 | Dan01 | heh |
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| 10:11.48 | Dan01 | someone will know |
| 10:11.59 | MoDaX | xri: install ksnapshot |
| 10:12.20 | MoDaX | xri: then it will work |
| 10:12.23 | MoDaX | :) |
| 10:13.30 | syntaxx | Dan01, oh ok so is it ok for me to download then it does not affect the download rate of my friend who is downloading from me? |
| 10:13.41 | xri | MoDaX: See?? UGLY UGLY UGLY fonts http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5969/snapshot1ox3.png |
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| 10:13.53 | Dan01 | well you need to send packets back |
| 10:14.01 | troubled | syntaxx: not true per se |
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| 10:14.09 | Dan01 | so if hes usuing all your uploaded it will affect your download a little |
| 10:14.15 | Dan01 | upload* |
| 10:14.23 | Dan01 | sorry spelling smal keybored |
| 10:14.26 | troubled | syntaxx: iyour downloads could start digging into your uploads and slow him down |
| 10:14.27 | Dan01 | small* |
| 10:14.29 | Remorse_ | Hello |
| 10:14.36 | Dan01 | hi |
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| 10:15.28 | MoDaX | xri: have you tried logging off & logging on after you changed AA settings in control center? |
| 10:15.46 | xri | MoDaX; They have been on by default for the last 3 reboots |
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| 10:17.23 | MoDaX | xri: did you change default fonts to say 'Arial' in Fonts and Configure konqueror -> Fonts? |
| 10:18.02 | syntaxx | troubled, Dan01 thanks |
| 10:18.09 | troubled | 1500k/sec...oh baby yeah hehe |
| 10:18.16 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 10:18.19 | troubled | 30 sec to get 50mb hehe |
| 10:18.31 | Dan01 | right i deleted everything and started from fresh] |
| 10:18.40 | Dan01 | usbcore is loaded |
| 10:18.51 | Dan01 | and ehci_hcd is also |
| 10:18.52 | troubled | about time hehe. what about the rest? |
| 10:18.54 | Dan01 | however |
| 10:18.58 | Dan01 | lol |
| 10:18.58 | MoDaX | xri: have you installed msttcorefonts or/and ttf-dejavu and/or ttf-bitstream-vera? |
| 10:19.15 | xri | no, no, no |
| 10:19.16 | Dan01 | i do modprobe keybdev and thats not showing up |
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| 10:19.37 | syntaxx | ok another question when i boot i seeing a lot of module saying its already loaded already loaded how can i remove that? |
| 10:19.51 | xri | Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:19.52 | xri | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:19.52 | xri | is only available from another source |
| 10:19.58 | troubled | syntaxx: ignore it |
| 10:20.10 | syntaxx | troubled, oh ok :D |
| 10:20.18 | troubled | syntaxx: discover is trying to load something thats already loaded and its telling you |
| 10:20.20 | MoDaX | !tell xri about contrib |
| 10:21.00 | xri | !tell MoDaX about quijibo |
| 10:21.53 | MoDaX | xri: do what dpkg said, then you'll be able to install msttcorefonts |
| 10:22.12 | xri | I could |
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| 10:24.51 | Bushmills | does anyone know a program to solve this problem: on different machines, i have, in the same subdirectory hierarchy, many identical files, but with different names or in different subdirectories. but also some different files, unique on one or the other machine. I need to do this: creating the md5 hashs of all files on both machines, copying those which are unique, and moving them so they are in the same directories. is there a program to do that, or |
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| 10:25.43 | Bushmills | a sort of sophisticated synchronization tool, that is |
| 10:26.15 | lamas | hi |
| 10:26.15 | lamas | i am using debain testing und i have problem |
| 10:26.15 | lamas | i have net acrros usb no lan cable usb router |
| 10:26.15 | lamas | debian stop booting if is on usb slot |
| 10:26.15 | lamas | cant nobody help me ? :/ |
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| 10:26.46 | tralala | lamas: /msg dpkg enter |
| 10:28.55 | Dan01 | old usb |
| 10:29.06 | Dan01 | thats a problem |
| 10:30.05 | wombachi | Bushmills. Creating md5 for a whole sub dir is easy. Use something like this |
| 10:30.24 | wombachi | Bushmills: find startdir -type f -exec md5sum {} > /tmp/md5sums.txt \; |
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| 10:31.08 | wombachi | Bushmills: But you'll have to write a (bash/perl/wathever) script to do what you want |
| 10:31.13 | Bushmills | wombachi: right, that's the easy part. also identifying the uniq files, after sorting for md5 key, diff'ing |
| 10:31.13 | troubled | Dan01: ? |
| 10:31.23 | Dan01 | i was kidding around |
| 10:31.32 | troubled | Dan01: no, hows it going? |
| 10:31.40 | Bushmills | getting unique files over too. the biggest problem is probably, rearranging the names and files |
| 10:31.42 | Dan01 | bulidng again |
| 10:31.48 | Dan01 | i am determined to fix this |
| 10:31.52 | Dan01 | building* |
| 10:32.21 | Bushmills | wombachi: though also quite solvable. |
| 10:32.34 | troubled | Dan01: dont feel bad. im about to redo the kernel and try get ati closed source drivers going for some nice speed :) |
| 10:32.44 | Dan01 | dude |
| 10:32.49 | Dan01 | remember watch out |
| 10:32.51 | Dan01 | :P:P |
| 10:32.55 | Bushmills | wombachi: but then comes ... testing ... don't really want to commit my dirs to that script while it hasn't been really tested :) |
| 10:32.59 | tralala | Bushmills: this is likely solved with a common algorithm but you'll need to ask a programming language channel for hints. |
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| 10:33.43 | wombachi | Bushmills: In those cases, I append "echo" to all my commands during testing.. |
| 10:33.54 | Bushmills | tralala: i think i an handle coding/scripting that all right. i merely want to avoid undertaking the effort if a solution which does that exists already |
| 10:35.33 | tralala | I don't think so. This is a strange situation and I wouldn't expect it to be covered by existing software. |
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| 10:36.19 | Bushmills | situation is: several thousand ebooks, coming from different sources, on different machines |
| 10:36.28 | Bushmills | but many of them identical |
| 10:36.48 | Bushmills | need to pull them together into one directory hierarchy |
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| 10:37.40 | Bushmills | chances are that i'm not the only one in this or similar situation |
| 10:37.58 | Bushmills | not such an exotic situation, me seems |
| 10:38.31 | Bushmills | well, still looking for existing solutions, but i indeed may settle to scripting it |
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| 10:39.22 | tralala | I can't agree. However it should be really easy to make a script that will take the files one by one, compute the has and then copy the file to the new dir if the hash is new. |
| 10:41.15 | pst | stupid totem and vlc conflict in etch :( |
| 10:42.23 | pst | search freshmeat for sync software? |
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| 10:42.41 | wombachi | I would use Perl for the task. With array of filenames (like @{$files{$md5sum}} ) to choose the name of identical files |
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| 10:47.19 | Bushmills | wombachi: i think i simply sort and diff the md5sums |
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| 10:47.37 | Bushmills | that gives me at least the unique files |
| 10:48.01 | liable | deadcat: i have a cube! and i can spin it! but theres nothing on it lol :) |
| 10:48.05 | Bushmills | will probably do it in two steps, rather than one. |
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| 10:48.43 | Bushmills | renaming, moving to make directory hierarchy identical as seperate 2nd step. |
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| 10:49.27 | Bushmills | no real need for arrays, as far i can see |
| 10:49.59 | Bushmills | if you don't call a file. containing a list of file names with md5sums, an array |
| 10:51.16 | wombachi | only usefull to be able to choose a filename (in the list of those with identical md5 sum) |
| 10:51.35 | Bushmills | cut -f2 ... |
| 10:51.54 | Bushmills | in case its going to be a bash script. cut -b ... may be even easier |
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| 10:53.03 | wombachi | finding unique files is easy. But devil is in the details. |
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| 10:53.18 | Bushmills | true |
| 10:53.19 | wombachi | Ex be carefull with file with same names in different dirs/boxes |
| 10:53.29 | Bushmills | whole path required anyway |
| 10:53.51 | Bushmills | or i wouldn't know where to copy from |
| 10:53.55 | wombachi | imagine same path/name on 2 boxes, with different content |
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| 10:54.08 | tralala | Bushmills: http://pastebin.ca/150027 |
| 10:54.10 | Bushmills | different content = different md5sums |
| 10:54.24 | Bushmills | noclobber, sure. |
| 10:54.30 | tralala | here's an example of how easy the job really is |
| 10:54.44 | wombachi | yes, noclobber can help here |
| 10:55.12 | Bushmills | thanks tralala |
| 10:55.24 | tralala | Bushmills: you're welcome |
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| 10:57.09 | rosen37 | Someone can help me to install nvidia drivers on etch 2.6.16-2? |
| 10:57.18 | cydork | !etch nvida |
| 10:57.25 | cydork | !etch nvidia |
| 10:57.26 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 10:57.31 | cydork | rosen37, ^^ |
| 10:58.04 | Bushmills | the installer from nvidia site tends to work quite ok too |
| 10:58.28 | Bushmills | as long as you don't have kernel with frame buffer enabled |
| 10:58.29 | rosen37 | Bushmills: I tried with the drivers from the website and it is not working |
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| 10:58.50 | Bushmills | rosen37: what does it complain about? |
| 10:59.09 | rosen37 | I updated my debian this morning and the kernel was updated using linux-keren-2.6.16-2-486 and since the update nvidia doesn t work |
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| 10:59.27 | rosen37 | before the update , I used the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com |
| 10:59.29 | diilbert | HOw can I make my ntfs part writable |
| 10:59.36 | Bushmills | rosen, did you reinstall the nvidia drivers? |
| 10:59.49 | Bushmills | diilbert: use captive ntfs |
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| 11:00.13 | cydork | diilbert, or ntfs-3g |
| 11:00.16 | diilbert | which is not native to the debian install ? |
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| 11:00.45 | rosen37 | Bushmills: yes but it doenst work, I had the 7184 isntalled and since this update this morning nothing work , I did --uninstall and I tried to reinstall it but without success |
| 11:01.02 | Bushmills | (11:58:50) Bushmills: rosen37: what does it complain about? |
| 11:01.58 | rosen37 | Bushmills: nvidia.ko can t be loaded due to a gcc 4.1 instead of 4.0 |
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| 11:02.26 | pst | build kernel with the gcc 4.1 which is installed :P |
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| 11:03.08 | pst | or if you can tell it to build in gcc 4.0-mode *shrug* (for when it builds the kernel module) |
| 11:03.19 | rosen37 | pst how to do that , is it a long manipulation? I have 18 computer to upadte :s |
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| 11:04.12 | pst | rosen37, using kpkg you can turn your newly built kernel into a deb pkg :) |
| 11:04.12 | Bushmills | rosen37: |
| 11:04.12 | Bushmills | for SERVER in $SERVERS ; do |
| 11:04.12 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.12 | Bushmills | done |
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| 11:04.54 | Bushmills | ehm, sorry |
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| 11:05.02 | pst | rosen37, actually, that's the way the debian kernel-build howto says to do it... and you can grab the current config from /boot so... |
| 11:05.09 | Bushmills | debhelper, botsnack |
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| 11:05.45 | pst | rosen37, so, if you've built the kernel before, it's not hard O.o |
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| 11:06.10 | pst | rosen37, or could build the nvidia .ko on a machine with the new kernel but only gcc 4.0 and distribute that |
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| 11:07.18 | rosen37 | Bushmills: What is thic command? |
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| 11:10.48 | blondie | is there something in /dev that I can cat to a file, to record audio from sound card's line in? c.c |
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| 11:13.41 | diilbert | Anyone here ever use Captive NTFS ? |
| 11:14.07 | blondie | !anyone |
| 11:14.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:14.24 | diilbert | thanks... |
| 11:14.25 | diilbert | ;) |
| 11:15.17 | diilbert | What ntfs.sys is needed by Captive NTFS for it to work... ? I get a "Captive-ERROR **: Attempted to load UNTESTED and possibly INCOMPATIBLE module: /var/lib/captive/ntfs.sys" when trying to mount |
| 11:15.41 | diilbert | I using one from my win2k sp4 install |
| 11:15.58 | Bushmills | rosen37: helps to admin many servers. to run commands on all of them |
| 11:16.25 | Bushmills | rosen37: example: servers echo {} lists all server names used by the script |
| 11:16.51 | Bushmills | servers scp localfile {}:/path/ copies local file to all servers |
| 11:17.11 | Bushmills | servers ssh {} apt-get update updates all package lists |
| 11:17.17 | Bushmills | and so on |
| 11:18.25 | Bushmills | this works best with pub key ssh login on the servers |
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| 11:21.08 | neenaoffline | is dpkg FOSS ? dpkg as in the bot :) |
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| 11:21.36 | Gathond | neenaoffline: iirc its a blootbot so yes |
| 11:21.53 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 11:21.53 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 11:22.04 | Gathond | not sure its still developed as a blootbot though or if its forked |
| 11:22.11 | neenaoffline | dpkg, ah , thanks :) |
| 11:22.26 | neenaoffline | Gathond, you too :) |
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| 11:24.22 | liable | did i miss something? |
| 11:24.52 | streuner | the beer? ;-) |
| 11:25.01 | cydork | hehe |
| 11:25.02 | liable | i have one of those :) |
| 11:25.06 | peterS | liable: I just got an on-join spam so, y'know, I abused the sender |
| 11:25.12 | liable | ah |
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| 11:25.20 | cydork | liable, then i am missing something ;) |
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| 11:26.13 | liable | i was scratching my head wondering wtf it did :) |
| 11:26.14 | rosen37 | Bushmills: ah ok |
| 11:26.24 | Bushmills | rosen, can be simplified, actually. sed is not necessary |
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| 11:26.51 | peterS | liable: I kicked the same bot out a few hours ago when someone noticed it, apparently it returned at some point since. I try not to bloat the channel ban list without good reason, so when it didn't immediately rejoin I didn't ban it the first time |
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| 11:27.07 | digits | is it possible to have debian create a couple of directories and such with the useradd command, or do i have to use my (not so) leet bash skills to work? ;P |
| 11:27.26 | Bushmills | for SERVER in $SERVERS ; do ${*//"{}"/$SERVER} ; done |
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| 11:27.42 | peterS | digits: you can create things inside the user's home directory by putting them in /etc/skel/ |
| 11:27.53 | liable | peterS: np, it joined immediately before you, so i wondered what was going on, seeing as it wasnt in my lastlog |
| 11:28.05 | pst | Bushmills, what does that do? |
| 11:28.07 | peterS | digits: that goes for 'adduser' at least, I don't remember whether 'useradd' honors that |
| 11:28.16 | aubergine | I have a Systemload of 0,1-0,3 hole the time, but nothing is running. Are there any processes in linux that are in the queue automaticlly ? |
| 11:28.28 | peterS | liable: I see |
| 11:28.41 | Bushmills | pst, read a bit further up, my reply to rosen37, where i gave a few examples |
| 11:29.11 | liable | peterS: actually, it joined immediately before you left :).. |
| 11:29.30 | Bushmills | pst, at 12:15:58 GMT |
| 11:30.12 | digits | peterS: ok, I'll have to look in to that... |
| 11:30.45 | DrHOUSE | I am not a bot (just saying...) |
| 11:30.51 | rosen37 | Bushmills: I read it |
| 11:31.22 | rosen37 | but I thought this was a command you want , I type so i dindn t understand because result is blank :) |
| 11:31.31 | Bushmills | rosen37: ok, but pst didn't because he just asked what this is doing |
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| 11:32.53 | rosen37 | in all case this is shitty, because I have updated one machine and now she is not working properly because nvidia is not working since the upgrade, and I have to resolve this issue to know how to do on the other machine |
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| 11:33.31 | rosen37 | however I have not a lot of time to update machine, I thoughht apt-get upgrade and and finished. but no , now I have to rebuild I don t know why .... :'( |
| 11:33.43 | liable | neenaoffline: watching pr0n? : |
| 11:33.51 | liable | bah |
| 11:33.56 | nvz | I got a nice little red mark on the corner of my mouth to show why you shouldnt fall asleep with a lit joint in your mouth.. heh |
| 11:34.17 | neenaoffline | liable, no, why? , I'm 15 and I don't watch pr0n :) |
| 11:34.29 | fooadd | nvz lmao! |
| 11:34.36 | digits | peterS: is it possible to make more advanced stuff (ie. stuff not in users home) in skel? i have all the homepages on a separate hd and i symlink to the user's home from there. (ie. /data/www/somedomain.com/http -> /home/user/www/somedomain.com) and is it perhaps possible to make a mysql database from start? |
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| 11:34.45 | liable | Bushmills: heh, sorry wrong nick. give it a year or two and you will be :) |
| 11:34.47 | digits | peterS: overkillish i know ;) |
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| 11:35.05 | nvz | fooadd: yeah most people wouldnt need to see it though to know already why you shouldnt fall asleep with a lit joint in your mouth |
| 11:35.09 | DrHOUSE | just knowing what pr0n means is a give away... |
| 11:35.16 | peterS | digits: I don't think useradd can run custom scripts. what you want is a custom script that runs useradd. |
| 11:35.17 | Bushmills | liable: beg your pardon? |
| 11:35.17 | neenaoffline | liable, wrong nick again? :-D |
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| 11:35.26 | dazjorz | Hello |
| 11:35.26 | liable | arghh@!!! |
| 11:35.32 | Bola | hello |
| 11:35.33 | digits | peterS: i was afraid of that ;) |
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| 11:36.00 | dazjorz | I just moved /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda6 to /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda3 (removed the logical extension) |
| 11:36.11 | dazjorz | but now grub doesn't work anymore |
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| 11:36.25 | dazjorz | when I try grub-install, it says that stage1 can't be read |
| 11:36.25 | Bola | can u help me, I'd like to backup my Woody server, what prog do I need to use? |
| 11:36.52 | Bushmills | Bola: lots of choices. |
| 11:37.00 | w00ter | Bola: depending on how and what you want to backup, but i'd say rsync |
| 11:37.04 | nvz | hmm I didnt know about useradd(8) wtf do we need adduser and useradd for.. they seem like the same thing |
| 11:37.04 | Bushmills | bola, file backup? binary? incrementally? |
| 11:37.06 | dazjorz | and when i try 'setup (hd0)' or 'setup (hd0,0)' in the grub shell, it gives an error 12 |
| 11:37.10 | rosen37 | Bushmills: pst I can reinstall a linux-image more older? |
| 11:37.13 | dazjorz | how do I reinstall grub so that it will boot correctly? |
| 11:37.30 | w00ter | dazjors: you got to find out where /boot lives |
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| 11:37.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:37.32 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:37.41 | dazjorz | w00ter: /boot is in /dev/hda2 |
| 11:37.54 | dazjorz | w00ter: /dev/hda2 is my root partition, /dev/hda3 is swap |
| 11:38.01 | dazjorz | w00ter: /dev/hda1 is windows, NTFS, don't worry about that |
| 11:38.10 | nvz | tarzeau: is there any method to that madness or do you jusr kind of do that at random? |
| 11:38.11 | w00ter | Okay, have you tried root (hd0,1) then |
| 11:38.16 | dazjorz | w00ter: yes, same result |
| 11:38.24 | dazjorz | w00ter: sec, let me boot into the live cd |
| 11:38.26 | tarzeau | nvz: i do it randomly, feel free to ignore it |
| 11:38.28 | Bola | thx I want full backup, scheudle backup |
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| 11:38.38 | tarzeau | nvz: and i'm playing nethack on freebsd 6.1 on a sparc64 |
| 11:38.43 | nvz | tarzeau: doesnt bother me that much. just wondering |
| 11:39.01 | Bushmills | Bola: with daily/weekly/monthly fallbacks? |
| 11:39.17 | dazjorz | w00ter: okay, i'm chrooted into the /dev/hda2 partition |
| 11:39.18 | Bushmills | i.e. retaining some previous copies/ |
| 11:39.19 | w00ter | Bola: rsync can backup it totally and keep all users, permissions and stuff. And to top it off, it can backup incrementally |
| 11:39.19 | Bola | Bushmills, monthly |
| 11:39.28 | nvz | tarzeau: hmm last I tried Freebsd was like 4.7 I didnt know it was up that high.. seems like a waste of a 64bit sparc though |
| 11:39.28 | Bushmills | Bola: to disk? |
| 11:39.34 | tarzeau | nvz: did you see there's 15000 people having popcon installed now! |
| 11:39.40 | w00ter | dazjorz: type grub |
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| 11:39.42 | dazjorz | Bola: I wrote a program for that btw |
| 11:39.45 | tarzeau | nvz: 5.x didn't work with local keyboard, 6.x does |
| 11:39.45 | dazjorz | w00ter: ok, sec |
| 11:39.50 | Bola | Buchmills, to disk |
| 11:39.54 | Bushmills | Bola: you may want to have a look at dar |
| 11:39.56 | w00ter | then try : root (hd0,1) |
| 11:40.00 | tarzeau | nvz: maybe it can be used to port debian gnu/kfreebsd to sparc64 |
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| 11:40.10 | tarzeau | nvz: there's already #gnu-kbsd for i386 and amd64 |
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| 11:40.23 | w00ter | Then to setup grub into the master boot record (which you really most prolly want): setup (hd0) |
| 11:40.41 | dazjorz | w00ter: sec |
| 11:40.45 | Bola | dazjorz, can I download it? |
| 11:41.05 | Bola | Bushmils,thx |
| 11:41.12 | Bushmills | np |
| 11:41.18 | dazjorz | Bola: well, actually, it's for a company, on their server only, and it works with USB hard drives etc |
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| 11:41.24 | dazjorz | Bola: so its probably not what you want |
| 11:41.35 | nvz | man picking my nose has become like a ritual after work now.. I dont know why my nose is always full of boogers after leaving there.. must be all the grease |
| 11:41.51 | dazjorz | Bola: but making a simple script that executes tar and uploads the archive to some folder is probably enough |
| 11:41.54 | Bola | dazjorz, ahh, its a school |
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| 11:42.02 | dazjorz | Bola: ... no |
| 11:42.08 | dazjorz | Bola: A company, like i said. |
| 11:42.10 | Mammuth | Hi all! |
| 11:42.16 | NuBus | nvz: I used to work around large colour laser printers in the late 1990s. I'd come home with CMYK boogers. |
| 11:42.19 | dazjorz | Hey Mammuth |
| 11:42.26 | nvz | NuBus: heh. |
| 11:42.28 | Bola | dazjorz, thx |
| 11:42.32 | neenaoffline | Mammuth, hi? |
| 11:42.33 | Bushmills | Bola: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Backup/ |
| 11:42.57 | dazjorz | w00ter: what did you say again, after grub? |
| 11:43.02 | w00ter | Bola: I'd use rsync to back up incrementally everyday, and then once a month a complete new backup. rsync is quite easy to use and can do that job easily ;) |
| 11:43.07 | dazjorz | w00ter: grub is now probing devices, then what? |
| 11:43.17 | w00ter | dazjorz: root (hd0,1) |
| 11:43.38 | dazjorz | w00ter: "Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83", guess thats a success |
| 11:43.43 | w00ter | yes |
| 11:43.44 | dazjorz | w00ter: then what? |
| 11:43.52 | w00ter | then do: setup (hd0) |
| 11:44.08 | dazjorz | w00ter: Woah! It worked! Thanks a bunch! :D |
| 11:44.14 | dazjorz | w00ter: Gonna reboot now |
| 11:44.17 | nvz | NuBus: color laser printers must be great.. I never seen one, but I had a huge b/w one time.. |
| 11:44.18 | Mammuth | Can somebody help me by installing a Skystar2 card? |
| 11:44.32 | w00ter | dazjorz: I only know this stuff because i've been meddling with it for AGES ;) |
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| 11:45.00 | w00ter | dazjorz: have you changed the grub.conf? |
| 11:45.11 | nvz | Mammuth: which is what? |
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| 11:45.22 | dazjorz | w00ter: no |
| 11:46.06 | dazjorz | w00ter: now if I run update-grub, will it notice that the root partition is now called /dev/hda2 instead of /dev/hda5 ? |
| 11:46.30 | dazjorz | w00ter: because the system is, for example, trying to activate swap /dev/hda6 which is now called /dev/hda3 |
| 11:46.37 | Mammuth | nvz: Sorry my bad english :) Can you help me? |
| 11:46.54 | nvz | Mammuth: maybe you can help me, what the hell is a Skystar2 |
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| 11:47.26 | w00ter | dazjorz: there are a couple of things you have to think of |
| 11:47.45 | w00ter | dazjorz: 1) You need to change the /etc/fstab file |
| 11:47.52 | dazjorz | w00ter: Ok |
| 11:47.58 | Mammuth | nvz: Digital Satelite Card |
| 11:48.23 | dazjorz | w00ter: I already managed to boot the old kernel by editing the boot arguments |
| 11:48.25 | abrotman | like a satellite modem card? for internet access? or for satellite tv ? |
| 11:48.26 | w00ter | dazjorz: 2) change the /boot/grub/grub.conf to find your kernel on hd0,1 now instead of that other disks |
| 11:48.31 | nvz | Mammuth: ah. have you tried ... you know.. plugging it in? |
| 11:48.41 | nvz | abrotman: seriously |
| 11:48.45 | dazjorz | w00ter: ok, i'll do that |
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| 11:49.57 | Mammuth | nvz: :) I have tried a lot of things. |
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| 11:50.01 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 11:50.25 | dazjorz | w00ter: there's no file named /boot/grub/grub.conf, do you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 11:50.36 | w00ter | that will do dazjorz |
| 11:50.40 | neenaoffline | pippijn, hi |
| 11:50.44 | pippijn | is it possible to install java EE in debian? |
| 11:51.11 | cydork | !install java |
| 11:51.11 | dpkg | it has been said that install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
| 11:51.12 | Mammuth | abrotman: for internet and tv |
| 11:51.15 | dazjorz | w00ter: update-grub still sees everything as (hd0,4) |
| 11:51.20 | pippijn | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/java-package |
| 11:51.29 | cydork | pippijn, read what dpkg said ^^ |
| 11:51.31 | pippijn | "standard edition" |
| 11:51.41 | Mammuth | i'm only interested for tv |
| 11:51.53 | w00ter | I wouldn't do update-grub. You've done everything manually. It's not necessary |
| 11:51.56 | pippijn | cydork: I am not exactly asking for java5-jdk |
| 11:52.38 | pippijn | !java-package |
| 11:52.38 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 11:52.43 | cydork | pippinjin, it also says about java-package, |
| 11:52.45 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 11:52.45 | dpkg | msg the bot is, like, please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 11:53.29 | pippijn | j2se != j2ee |
| 11:53.47 | pippijn | my question again: is it possible to install j2ee? |
| 11:54.15 | nvz | damn cat was up here trying to say something.. but she aperently doesnt know how to spell |
| 11:54.17 | peterS | I think j2ee should be pronounced 'j-twee' |
| 11:54.24 | dazjorz | Ok the next problem... |
| 11:54.35 | pippijn | jayjwee |
| 11:54.40 | pippijn | jaytwee |
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| 11:54.57 | dazjorz | when I boot the self compiled 2.6.17.8 kernel |
| 11:55.07 | SpeedyG | sounds like dutch pronouncement |
| 11:55.13 | SpeedyG | jee-twee |
| 11:55.24 | SpeedyG | or jay-tway |
| 11:55.47 | dazjorz | http://sial.org/pbot/19271 |
| 11:55.50 | peterS | well, twee means 'annoyingly cute', that's the main point |
| 11:55.51 | dazjorz | i'm getting these errors |
| 11:56.10 | pippijn | j2ee is not that cute |
| 11:56.24 | SpeedyG | java isnt cute at all |
| 11:56.41 | pippijn | exactly |
| 11:56.42 | nvz | peterS: twee? thats an english word? |
| 11:56.51 | pippijn | tweed is |
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| 11:56.59 | pippijn | and so is weed |
| 11:57.02 | peterS | nvz: yes. an English english word, if you take my meaning, i.e., Americans don't generally use it |
| 11:57.22 | Mammuth | abrotman: the erros is: |
| 11:57.26 | blondie | peterS: and neither do English peop[le |
| 11:57.28 | blondie | -[ |
| 11:57.29 | Mammuth | abrotman:using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' |
| 11:57.29 | Mammuth | main:1882: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 19 No such device |
| 11:57.40 | abrotman | i'd say you're missing mose module |
| 11:57.42 | pippijn | affectedly or excessively dainty, delicate, cute or quaint. |
| 11:57.47 | abrotman | some module |
| 11:57.48 | abrotman | !dvb |
| 11:57.48 | dpkg | hmm... dvb is DigitalVideoBroadcast.MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally.See http://www.linuxdvd.org for more infos |
| 11:57.50 | nvz | peterS: I dont know why not a one syllable word to describe 85% of women, children, and pets |
| 11:57.51 | pippijn | = twee |
| 11:58.07 | Mammuth | abrotman: but the devices are there |
| 11:58.08 | peterS | nvz: yeah, exactly. it's a useful word, I don't know why we Americans stopped using it |
| 11:58.18 | abrotman | Mammuth: you might need to be in a group |
| 11:58.22 | dazjorz | argh |
| 11:58.22 | dazjorz | please |
| 11:58.28 | dazjorz | http://sial.org/pbot/19271 |
| 11:58.29 | abrotman | peterS: we're lazy |
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| 11:59.13 | jlaw | but english people cook meat with peppermint ... barbarians |
| 11:59.15 | blondie | walk then |
| 11:59.23 | blondie | jlaw: I don't cook any meat |
| 11:59.24 | abrotman | eh .. |
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| 11:59.36 | blondie | with or without peppermint it's barbaric |
| 11:59.42 | nvz | heh |
| 11:59.44 | peterS | jlaw: what's wrong with that? if vodka goes with peppermint schnapps, which it does, why not meat and peppermint? |
| 11:59.48 | rdz | hi all. how can i close all sockets on a certain port? i cannot start a server anymore, because it says the address is already in use.. |
| 12:00.03 | liable | lamb roast with mint is pretty good |
| 12:00.05 | Bushmills | not any meat, lambs meat mainly |
| 12:00.06 | nvz | screw peppermint altogether is what I say |
| 12:00.06 | abrotman | blondie: and tasty! |
| 12:00.12 | jlaw | blondie, you eat my food's food |
| 12:00.13 | Mammuth | abrotman: i have no response from dvb :( |
| 12:00.24 | jlaw | that's somehow barbarian too -.- |
| 12:00.24 | dazjorz | wait, this version is updated: http://sial.org/pbot/19273 |
| 12:00.26 | abrotman | Mammuth: ls -l <thatfile> .. what are the perms ? |
| 12:01.09 | peterS | jlaw: nah, it's ok, most food eats useless things like grass, not so much other food |
| 12:01.34 | abrotman | "That's not food .. that's what food eats" |
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| 12:02.20 | liable | heh, makes me wonder, you see vegetarians and they are sorta skinny and pale, why do cows have such big tasty muscles? |
| 12:02.41 | pippijn | okay, so it seems not to be possible to install j2ee |
| 12:02.47 | pippijn | that is sad |
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| 12:02.55 | peterS | liable: it's the bacteria in the cows' GI tracts, they can break down grass into something useful. an advantage other vegetarians don't necessarily have |
| 12:03.10 | Eulex | cows are made for just eating grass, while people are made for just eating both vegetables and meat? |
| 12:03.19 | abrotman | liable: duh .. to make tasty steaks! .. god is a wonderful magician! |
| 12:03.21 | Eulex | peterS, right |
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| 12:03.25 | nvz | I met one of my bosses daughter last night I had to act like I was too busy to chat I am not sure what the man laws are on the boss's daughter |
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| 12:04.02 | liable | abrotman: indeed! just look at the pig! how can you get so many tasty things from one animal :) |
| 12:04.03 | abrotman | nvz: in college .. i got nekkid with my boss' step-daughter |
| 12:04.21 | peterS | nvz: I think if the boss likes you already, the boss's daughter can be very good for you. if the boss doesn't like you, the boss's daughter can be very bad for you. |
| 12:04.22 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well thats college and step daughters.. |
| 12:04.25 | abrotman | liable: and a fish .. a fish is like .. nothing but meat! |
| 12:04.31 | Mammuth | abrotman: ./scan dvb-s/Astra19.2E>channels.conf |
| 12:04.39 | liable | bones and guts? |
| 12:04.45 | Bushmills | nvz: he brought her to see whether you fancied her. evidently you didn't in his eyes, so your out :) |
| 12:05.04 | abrotman | Mammuth: ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 |
| 12:05.05 | nvz | peterS: I dont hadnt met her or her dad.. but they both work there and he's a boss.. I just never met them.. I met her last night though and she is hot |
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| 12:05.44 | abrotman | see .. this is what always happens to nvz .. next thing you know .. he'll be moving to arizona to escape |
| 12:05.51 | peterS | hehe |
| 12:06.02 | nvz | hah |
| 12:06.06 | peterS | while his guitar gently weeps |
| 12:06.12 | RichiH | oi oi |
| 12:06.17 | nvz | heh |
| 12:06.54 | Mammuth | abrotman: crw-rw---- 1 root root 212, 4 2006-08-26 13:54 /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 and i am root |
| 12:07.05 | abrotman | you're watching tv as root? |
| 12:07.19 | abrotman | what if they send you a bad signal .. like teletubbies |
| 12:07.26 | Mammuth | no :) |
| 12:07.46 | Mammuth | i can not star the tv |
| 12:07.47 | Eulex | they could take over your computer, and you wouldn't be able to get rid of them :) |
| 12:08.08 | jlaw | what if you by fault zap to power rangers and the super mgea zord attacks your system? |
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| 12:08.18 | Eulex | what a nightmare, just teletubbies on the telly |
| 12:08.18 | abrotman | Mammuth: what about frontend0 ? |
| 12:08.35 | abrotman | Mammuth: ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| 12:08.57 | Mammuth | ok :) i know , i will be no root, but i am in the install phase now |
| 12:08.58 | abrotman | jlaw: that's what i mean |
| 12:10.48 | Mammuth | abrotman: crw-rw---- 1 root root 212, 3 2006-08-26 13:54 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
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| 12:11.16 | Eulex | fooadd, haha :) |
| 12:12.14 | HNT | Hello everybody, i'm using totem to display videos but I can't watch dvd, I have installed all gstreamer plugin so what may I install to be able to read dvd content with totem ? |
| 12:12.17 | w00ter | Anyone have experience setting up mrtg on a simple adsl server/router with debian sarge? |
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| 12:12.47 | eastwood | HNT, kmplayer |
| 12:12.52 | eastwood | or kaffeine |
| 12:13.05 | Bushmills | HNY, or xine |
| 12:13.11 | PerfDave | HNT: Have you installed the CSS stuff from debian-multimedia? |
| 12:13.15 | jlaw | or windows media player -.- |
| 12:13.20 | HNT | lol |
| 12:13.23 | PerfDave | HNT: You probably need libdvdcss2 |
| 12:13.24 | HNT | yes i did |
| 12:13.29 | HNT | > CSS |
| 12:13.39 | HNT | i'v got it |
| 12:13.53 | HNT | libdvdcss2, libdvdread3 |
| 12:13.59 | abrotman | totem can use xine .. just like kaffiene |
| 12:14.10 | PerfDave | HNT: In that case, it's probably something gnomish, sorry, can't help. |
| 12:14.13 | HNT | i will try with xine |
| 12:14.36 | fooadd | HNT, or better gxine :) |
| 12:15.11 | Bushmills | xine are the libs, no frontend, can be used with other players. gxine is frontend to xine |
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| 12:15.44 | PerfDave | Bushmills: xine has its own frontend too |
| 12:15.51 | HNT | i will try gxine |
| 12:15.52 | peterS | yeah, xine-ui, which is horrible |
| 12:15.58 | abrotman | totem can use xine |
| 12:16.04 | Bushmills | though there is a xine frontend, with file name "xine" (package name is iirc xine-ui) |
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| 12:17.10 | troubled | Dan01: so, any luck? |
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| 12:19.01 | tarzeau | jlaw: nethack? |
| 12:19.05 | abrotman | troubled: let him go to #kernel damn it |
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| 12:19.38 | jlaw | tarzeau, naa, just tried to describe my mental state |
| 12:19.47 | Devil_Kin | what's the channel concerning debian-boot cd's? |
| 12:19.55 | PerfDave | #debian-boot IIRC |
| 12:19.55 | abrotman | #debian-boot on oftc |
| 12:20.08 | troubled | abrotman: i think he was onto it just before I left. bad mod dep's I think. new kernel wasnt seeing compiled mods. oh well, curious for my own sake (knowledge sponge reporting for duty SIR!) :) |
| 12:20.13 | Eulex | PerfDave - abrotman: 1 - 0 |
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| 12:20.21 | PerfDave | Oh yeah, the stupid "official move" to OFTC has happened, hasn't it? |
| 12:20.34 | abrotman | troubled: the guy is trying to compile a kernel.org kernel for a game not in debian .. let him go to #kernel |
| 12:20.37 | Eulex | PerfDave - abrotman: 1 - 1 |
| 12:20.40 | troubled | PerfDave: heh, you see me here or there? |
| 12:21.07 | PerfDave | troubled: Well, I'm not on OFTC so can't verify whehter you're there or not |
| 12:21.13 | troubled | abrotman: i swore he said he had the debianized sources though for that last while |
| 12:21.38 | abrotman | he kept changing his story |
| 12:21.54 | troubled | PerfDave: :) If I was a dev or close to core debian team I would be on other server, otherwise this is "$HOME" |
| 12:22.34 | troubled | abrotman: poor guy, all he had to do was spend and hour or two like I just did weeding through a gazillion useless options hehe |
| 12:22.52 | PerfDave | troubled: Yeah, well, nuts to the People's Glorious Republic of Debian Developers. |
| 12:22.55 | troubled | kernel compiles really are taking their toll on my back though |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | troubled: or he could ask #kernel |
| 12:23.19 | blondie | freenode > oftc |
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| 12:23.58 | troubled | abrotman: still, our skills with a kernel should have been more than adequate to get him going. |
| 12:24.00 | PerfDave | not fixing what ain't broke > stupid internal politics |
| 12:24.02 | abrotman | troubled: or he could ask #kernel |
| 12:24.16 | troubled | abrotman: yes, ill drop it now |
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| 12:25.33 | troubled | abrotman: on a deb kernel note though, I cant believe how untuned the stock kernel was compared to what my box only needs! |
| 12:25.38 | abrotman | troubled: or he could ask #kernel |
| 12:25.45 | troubled | OK! |
| 12:25.46 | troubled | lol |
| 12:25.48 | PerfDave | troubled: In what way untuned? |
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| 12:26.35 | abrotman | troubled: that guy had absolutely no idea what he was doing .. and hsouldn't have been doing it |
| 12:26.47 | troubled | PerfDave: well, to be fair I cant call a kernel that runs on 99% of the boxen out there untuned, but there were a lot of things to get rid of for compile time savings and prempt options that werent set for my needs of desktop etc |
| 12:27.20 | troubled | abrotman: its times like that you wish they would just give you a shell and spend 1 hour doing it yourself instead of 6 helping them figure it out lol |
| 12:27.44 | abrotman | no .. i don't |
| 12:27.45 | PerfDave | troubled: See, compile time savings aren't necessary for a pre-built kernel. And since Debian kernels are massively modular, it doesn't effect run-time performance to have lots of modules. |
| 12:28.08 | troubled | PerfDave: i should send you a diff of my conf to the stock |
| 12:28.22 | PerfDave | troubled: In all honesty, I probably wouldn't care ;) |
| 12:28.33 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 12:28.33 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 12:28.44 | troubled | PerfDave: i dont blame ya, you practically have to read the whole config through |
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| 12:29.09 | PerfDave | Some people complain that Debian installs -386 kernels by default, but that's because Debian has the most generic kernel on the CD. If you use a DVD installer, it sticks an arch-optimised kernel on. |
| 12:29.19 | troubled | PerfDave: i was surprised that preempt wasnt in the stock though. stability issues i guess. then again, i guess they consider debian more server than desktop |
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| 12:29.52 | troubled | changed the scheduler too (sorry, cant remember which of the 8000 options i set just now hehe) |
| 12:30.06 | PerfDave | troubled: I thought it was in the stock 2.6. I think the whole "debian is for servers" thing is just FUD spread from the Ubuntu camp, personally. |
| 12:30.12 | troubled | PerfDave: only cause im dying to test out the ati drivers in xorg |
| 12:30.35 | troubled | PerfDave: well, im pretty sure it was off on my box in etch |
| 12:30.49 | troubled | not sure why, thought it was always on for the 2.6s' |
| 12:30.56 | PerfDave | Fair enough. I'm not using Etch :) |
| 12:31.39 | troubled | PerfDave: i just cant wait to see if I forgot anything :) and better yet, how bad the ati install is gonna go |
| 12:32.13 | PerfDave | troubled: See, I just avoid ATI and my life is much simpler ;) |
| 12:32.27 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 12:32.34 | Dan01 | hows it going troubled? |
| 12:32.54 | troubled | PerfDave: well, i cant complain really, system seems decent so far, i just wanna push the envelope a bit and see what gnome feels like to full potential of this 9800 pro |
| 12:32.59 | jlaw | man ... real world is a strange thing sometimes ... there is this girl talking about something called marriage to me all the time |
| 12:33.03 | jlaw | !marriage |
| 12:33.04 | dpkg | i heard marriage is a partnership, hopefully with your best friend. Clustering for people |
| 12:33.18 | jlaw | is that some kind of raid or so? |
| 12:33.19 | troubled | Dan01: not back. 2 hours configin my kernel. waiting on a compile atm. you? |
| 12:33.25 | Dan01 | erm |
| 12:33.34 | Dan01 | still messing around you know :> |
| 12:33.34 | troubled | s/back/bad |
| 12:34.33 | troubled | Dan01: no luck yet huh? try #kernel yet (ahem abrotman) |
| 12:34.33 | Dan01 | apprently in the new kernel keybored is usbkbd |
| 12:34.33 | Dan01 | instead of just kbd |
| 12:34.33 | troubled | Dan01: so you got it all goin? |
| 12:34.33 | Dan01 | nah |
| 12:34.33 | abrotman | I SAID THAT THREE FUCKING DAYS AGO! |
| 12:34.33 | Dan01 | its so annoying |
| 12:34.33 | Dan01 | i know abrotman |
| 12:34.39 | troubled | Dan01: take it from me, a fellow dan, kernel compiles are cake |
| 12:34.42 | abrotman | troubled: see previous statement about not knowing what he's doing |
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| 12:34.52 | troubled | abrotman: which one? :0 |
| 12:34.56 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 12:35.06 | abrotman | and apparently can't pay attention either |
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| 12:35.43 | Dan01 | anything else? |
| 12:36.09 | troubled | Dan01: you really just gonna sit down, reread all the doc's and just tweak it to your exact box. I personally skip the initrd stuff and remove anything I wouldnt want autoloading, like say usb nic's etc |
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| 12:36.22 | abrotman | or ask #kernel |
| 12:36.24 | nvz | abrotman: three fucking days? it says to call your doctor if it lasts more than 4 hours :P |
| 12:36.34 | Dan01 | lol |
| 12:36.36 | abrotman | nvz: what do doctors know! |
| 12:36.38 | nvz | heh |
| 12:36.49 | troubled | Dan01: things getting really fun when you play with patches like grsec (if they would get off their butt's and maintain it better) |
| 12:37.08 | Dan01 | its not worth the hassel |
| 12:37.12 | Dan01 | really it isn't |
| 12:37.39 | troubled | Dan01: it really is in production use imho. unless you go with virtualization stuff, but still grsec would be nice |
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| 12:38.10 | nvz | just need more maintainers is all there is to it.. |
| 12:38.28 | liable | Dan01: why cant you use a debian config and just change the hz thing you want? |
| 12:38.29 | troubled | Dan01: www.grsecurity.net, seems more up to date this year for a change. |
| 12:38.48 | Dan01 | where the fuck do you change the 1000hz in the debian config |
| 12:38.50 | troubled | liable: didnt he start with that in the first place? |
| 12:38.59 | Dan01 | i didn't np |
| 12:39.02 | Dan01 | no* |
| 12:39.02 | nvz | things could no doubt roll out much faster if there were more people packaging things |
| 12:39.08 | abrotman | Dan01: ask #kernel |
| 12:39.17 | troubled | Dan01: *sigh* hehe. he means copy the default config you had it working on and just change one setting |
| 12:39.20 | abrotman | Dan01: ask them the name of the config option .. or i don't konw .. try google! |
| 12:39.27 | Dan01 | i know |
| 12:39.42 | Dan01 | i had been using the old working/usb/pos kernel config |
| 12:39.43 | berzerka | if i (for example) update my debian package list, my system becomes very unresponsive. looking at top shows that most of the time is spent serving software interrupts. is there anything i can do to make such tasks work more "smoothly"? (like pick another i/o schedulers, i have no idea...) |
| 12:39.51 | Dan01 | i'm going to try it agiain |
| 12:39.52 | troubled | Dan01: FYI, my shinny new kernel thats compiling as we speak has your 1khz timer option set :) |
| 12:39.57 | freegan-bh | Problem: when my initrd is finishing, it runs the command exec chroot . /sbin/init $* <dev/console >dev/console 2>&1. Im getting the error dev/console: no such file or device. There is the console device on initrd, and Im no expert but this is necessary for my root mounting process. Can someone help?? |
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| 12:40.07 | Dan01 | show me the light |
| 12:40.09 | Dan01 | i really need to see it |
| 12:40.10 | troubled | Dan01: although I predict im gonna be Xless after I bork the ati install hehe |
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| 12:40.34 | liable | Dan01: at least you sre determined :) |
| 12:40.38 | liable | are |
| 12:40.39 | Dan01 | yup |
| 12:40.45 | Dan01 | 1st day 4 hours |
| 12:40.50 | Dan01 | 2 day 12 pm to 3am |
| 12:40.59 | Dan01 | today 9:31am to now |
| 12:41.00 | troubled | that or he's trolling and its been fine since day one :) |
| 12:41.04 | Dan01 | on and off of coruse |
| 12:41.11 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld go to #kernel |
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| 12:41.16 | Dan01 | ok |
| 12:41.30 | Dan01 | sorry abrotman i know is pissing you off |
| 12:41.33 | abrotman | and take troubled with you :) |
| 12:41.37 | Dan01 | lol |
| 12:41.43 | Dan01 | kernel companions |
| 12:41.44 | troubled | Dan01: just dont mention the word debian in there or we will get you back here again for 3 days lol |
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| 12:41.45 | abrotman | Dan01: only because it's a non-debian kernel for a non-debian application |
| 12:41.45 | Dan01 | :P |
| 12:41.53 | troubled | easy! |
| 12:41.56 | Dan01 | ok |
| 12:42.11 | anapivirtua | Hello World |
| 12:42.26 | Dan01 | hi |
| 12:42.39 | troubled | anapivirtua: this channel aint that big yet...yet.... |
| 12:43.32 | nvz | o.O |
| 12:43.39 | troubled | Dan01: hey, look on the bright side, aside from missing a specific module, you did compile the kernel on your own (sorta) and got it to boot! most cant say that much (we all been there) |
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| 12:43.50 | Dan01 | its peice of piss to compile |
| 12:44.03 | Dan01 | i know there is a lot of stuff etc |
| 12:44.05 | SpeedyG | Dan01: as soon as you know how, and what you need it is |
| 12:44.07 | Dan01 | you cn do or not do |
| 12:44.13 | dvs | troubled: speak for yourself! ;-) |
| 12:44.19 | troubled | dvs: :) |
| 12:44.37 | Dan01 | i have learn't a lot |
| 12:44.40 | Dan01 | which is good |
| 12:44.46 | abrotman | learned ? |
| 12:44.48 | jlaw | yeah ... if those ohb guys ask me what kind of experiance i have in programming i tell them "i've written hello world in irc ... but something went wrong. it threw an exception telling me i shall stfu" |
| 12:44.49 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 12:44.56 | troubled | Dan01: I swear ive forgot more than most ppl have learned over the years lol |
| 12:44.57 | Dan01 | where files are for it and what to do etc |
| 12:45.42 | troubled | Dan01: i think the key is to have some programming experience under your belt. kernel makes a lil more sense if you at least been exposed to makefiles and compiling etc |
| 12:45.55 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 12:46.08 | Dan01 | i'll contiune to waste time trying to get it to work |
| 12:46.09 | troubled | Dan01: just dont be an idiot like me and pick up pascal instead of C when *nix world is pro C |
| 12:46.10 | Dan01 | :> |
| 12:46.20 | Dan01 | no chance |
| 12:46.23 | abrotman | pascal is a good learnning language |
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| 12:46.34 | abrotman | negative array indices are fun! |
| 12:46.34 | troubled | very nice language imho |
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| 12:46.43 | nvz | my programming experience is poor but I understand the kernel pretty well |
| 12:46.58 | troubled | i can program some nasty stuff with pascal, but then again I dont know the linux api calls any better than C :) |
| 12:47.20 | xquestionx | hello, i have a little problem, i install php and mysql and apt installed php5 and mysql5 but i need php4 and mysql4, how can i downgrade? |
| 12:47.26 | nvz | I have Orielly Understanding The Linux Kernel which is pretty decent |
| 12:47.27 | troubled | abrotman: what crushed my dreams was the only turbo vision port thats 100% is done in C! |
| 12:47.37 | abrotman | duh |
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| 12:48.02 | nvz | I'd consider getting a new one if they printed up one on 2.6 cause mine is a bit dates its on lik 2.4.25 IIRC maybe even older than that |
| 12:48.07 | troubled | abrotman: the pascal (fpc) version is so so. about 75% working. most stuff works, just not the important stuff lol |
| 12:48.14 | Dan01 | be back soon need to sort some game servers out |
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| 12:48.28 | troubled | Dan01: you mean go play some games? :) |
| 12:48.31 | Dan01 | nah |
| 12:48.51 | troubled | damn 32min compile :( |
| 12:49.22 | dvs | troubled: to compile what? |
| 12:49.24 | SpeedyG | troubled: lucky you.. i've been waiting for 1.5 hours to compile my kernel on this machine |
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| 12:49.32 | dvs | oh |
| 12:49.34 | troubled | dvs: kernel |
| 12:49.50 | blondie | apt-get install linux-image-blah |
| 12:49.55 | dvs | troubled: It take me less than 10 minutes. ;-) |
| 12:50.05 | dvs | blondie: cheater! |
| 12:50.11 | troubled | SpeedyG: im telling ya, 2 hours to config + 32min to compile > your 1.5 hour compile.....wait a tic! |
| 12:50.18 | blondie | dvs: gentoo user! |
| 12:50.27 | troubled | dvs: distcc? |
| 12:50.27 | dvs | blondie: you take that back!!! |
| 12:50.49 | jlaw | dvs, that was harsh ... 1 0 for blondie |
| 12:50.50 | SpeedyG | troubled: doesnt take that long if you know what you do or do not need :P |
| 12:50.55 | SpeedyG | (the config part) |
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| 12:51.24 | troubled | dvs: when all my boxen are up running distcc im prolly around 8-10min mark. normally 15-20 on a 2.6, but i never had this 1.67 athlon in the mix before |
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| 12:51.52 | dvs | troubled: you're compiling kernels for multiple boxes? |
| 12:52.18 | troubled | SpeedyG: true. i suppose I could shave another 5min off if I got rid of this things i know ill never use but compile "just in case" |
| 12:52.38 | dvs | troubled: that's when you make them modules |
| 12:52.42 | troubled | dvs: nah just this one. but i always leave room for experimenting with new features |
| 12:53.13 | troubled | dvs: and I did/do |
| 12:53.18 | troubled | dvs: really i only compile in the ide and fs support |
| 12:53.18 | dvs | troubled: and you use different configs? |
| 12:53.18 | SpeedyG | I do wonder however, if you've used make-kpkg to create the .deb file.. is that all you need to transfer to another box and dpkg -i to install that kernel on the other box? or are there other requirements |
| 12:53.27 | troubled | dvs: usually i only ever have 1 per box |
| 12:53.54 | troubled | dvs: im not into the whole 1 kernel + initrd + discover for all machine thing |
| 12:54.07 | troubled | s/ine/ines/ |
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| 12:54.17 | dvs | troubled: I guess it depends how many machines you have |
| 12:54.31 | nvz | me either I like having a fine tuned kernel for each machine |
| 12:54.38 | dimbit | I have a really strange issue here; playing any avi video causes a complete system hang. other types of video are fine. nothing odd in the log files. anyone had a similar issue? |
| 12:54.52 | nvz | but I usually only keep 10 or less around and I usually only run 1-3 at a time :P |
| 12:54.53 | troubled | dvs: ya. my problem is the boxen I have a pretty much all diff. the poweredge's are scsi to boot so that throws a wrench the mix |
| 12:54.58 | abrotman | stop watching porn |
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| 12:55.04 | dvs | heh |
| 12:55.21 | Mammuth | bye |
| 12:55.22 | nvz | who's watching porn? |
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| 12:55.39 | stoned | hangover! |
| 12:55.48 | stoned | nvz, whats up dog man dude homie bro |
| 12:56.14 | stoned | abrotman, I've got 185GB of porn |
| 12:56.18 | stoned | :) |
| 12:56.20 | nvz | dimbit: what player are you using and which debian release? and this happens all the time with all files just avi? immediatly after a certain time? |
| 12:56.28 | troubled | dvs: you know its funny thought, but ive always wondered if a cluster of a half dosen 486 (give or take) boxes would be usefull, or just a waste of hydro and free heating :) |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | stoned: thank goodness you work at dell .. soon your harddrive will crash and you can start over ... |
| 12:56.48 | dvs | troubled: I tend towards the heating |
| 12:56.52 | stoned | abrotman, ahhh boy |
| 12:57.15 | stoned | why would I ever buy a system, when I build one |
| 12:57.23 | stoned | PC club has the best cheapest prices i've ever seen |
| 12:57.25 | troubled | dvs: whats a kwh these days anyways? |
| 12:57.29 | nvz | thats a waste of space I use my spare space for cache and indexing my music, images..etc so I can access it all more quickly |
| 12:58.08 | stoned | nvz, still mowing lawns? |
| 12:58.23 | troubled | nvz: how much damn music you got to even need an index on your files?! |
| 12:58.24 | nvz | I gotta mow the lawn as long as grass grows |
| 12:58.31 | nvz | if it were up to me, I'd pave it |
| 12:58.32 | stoned | hehe |
| 12:58.46 | stoned | I think thats a line from an old Bathory song, Through Blood by Thunder |
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| 12:58.47 | dimbit | nvz, tried with mplayer and xine. xine crashes, mplayer causes a reboot. only happens with files that show up as 'microsoft avi' and happens after about a second of playback |
| 12:58.54 | stoned | yup, "as long as the grass grows..." |
| 12:58.56 | dimbit | using etch amd64 |
| 12:59.14 | nvz | troubled: I mean opposed to using my dvd player or a radio or something you keep all music in digital format in the same place.. easier access |
| 12:59.33 | dimbit | I haven't tried playing in a 32bit chroot yet, but that will be next unless you have any ideas? |
| 12:59.53 | nvz | troubled: I am _way_ low on tunes.. I got to get that straight before Oct cause I am planning to dj again this year |
| 13:00.10 | troubled | nvz: dont make the mistake I did. backed my music to dvd and restored it, I swear 5% of the music has skips or cuts short now : / |
| 13:00.26 | nvz | our party is attracting a wider audience now a coulple pink floyd cds isnt gonna cut it anymore |
| 13:00.41 | nvz | it used to be simple when I was just playing classic rock |
| 13:00.56 | troubled | nvz: on a side note, xmms must have some nasty bug in its id3 parser (spl0it!), i got one song that it chokes on everytime |
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| 13:01.35 | abrotman | fix it you lazy ass |
| 13:01.38 | PerfDave | troubled: Yeah, I've got a bunch of Ministry MP3s which routinely kill xmms :) |
| 13:01.45 | nvz | now I got people who even bring cds and I gotta cue em or rip em on the fly. I hate doing other things cause you dont want something weird to happen and bring the system down or mess the music up |
| 13:01.46 | stoned | PerfDave, !! |
| 13:01.46 | troubled | abrotman: with what? pascal! |
| 13:01.49 | stoned | whoah! |
| 13:01.59 | abrotman | troubled: what did you think xmms was written in? |
| 13:02.03 | stoned | where the hell did you come from, or, where the hell have you been lol |
| 13:02.15 | nvz | I am considering using two machines this time or maybe two Xservers on different displays anyhow |
| 13:02.21 | nvz | use one for OSD |
| 13:02.21 | troubled | abrotman: i would get more satisfaction in taking over a few hundred fellow linux boxen running xmms with a corrupt mp3 |
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| 13:02.36 | stoned | nvz, I do that, :1 runs cedega on 800x600 for gaming, :0 is 2880x1200 |
| 13:02.36 | troubled | abrotman: your not serious are you? |
| 13:02.49 | abrotman | troubled: YOU'RE |
| 13:02.57 | troubled | bah |
| 13:02.57 | blondie | ur |
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| 13:03.05 | dvs | yore |
| 13:03.10 | troubled | abrotman: you're not serious are you?! |
| 13:03.14 | sander_ | hi. When i'm using bochs. I get: >>PANIC<< dlopen failed for module 'x': file not found |
| 13:03.16 | troubled | ;) |
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| 13:03.37 | abrotman | troubled: i don't konw .. i've never looked at xmms code .. but i know exodus(win32 jabber client) is done in pascal |
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| 13:03.39 | troubled | abrotman: i figured it for a c++ app |
| 13:03.45 | abrotman | !depends xmms |
| 13:03.45 | sander_ | I think there is a bug in debian testing/unstable.. I dont get that error with same configuration other places |
| 13:03.52 | nvz | stoned: well ever since I started doing the party when I found their old tube floormodel radio and made it work again.. I keep all the equipment behind a curtain behind the snack tables.. but I want to have a display on the table I can see without going back there |
| 13:03.55 | dpkg | xmms: depends on libasound2 (>> 1.0.11), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libice6, libmikmod2 (>= 3.1.10), libogg0 (>= 1.1.3), libsm6, libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.2), libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxxf86vm1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 13:03.56 | sander_ | with bochs |
| 13:04.03 | b_52Centos | did someone see that before |
| 13:04.05 | b_52Centos | Aug 26 13:01:39 localhost kernel: DMA write timed out |
| 13:04.06 | b_52Centos | Aug 26 13:02:49 localhost kernel: parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 13:04.06 | b_52Centos | Aug 26 13:02:49 localhost kernel: parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio |
| 13:04.06 | troubled | dont you want builddep? |
| 13:04.06 | sander_ | anyone know about this bug with bochs? |
| 13:04.21 | abrotman | !bts |
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| 13:04.21 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:04.26 | stoned | !abrotman |
| 13:04.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 13:04.30 | azeem | b_52Centos: that might indicate hardware issues not sure |
| 13:04.47 | nvz | stoned: maybe setup a thing that works like audioscrobbler to help automate playlists but allows a simple voting interface where people can queue suggested songs |
| 13:04.57 | b_52Centos | azeem, hm ok |
| 13:04.59 | troubled | abrotman: lets finish this when I get back. I got a kernel to break in :) |
| 13:05.03 | stoned | nvz, nice, how are you planning on setting it up? |
| 13:05.09 | nvz | stoned: I dont know if I will have time to try anything too fancy though its late already |
| 13:05.21 | troubled | now, time to see if I put my foot in my mouth on this boot lol |
| 13:05.22 | nvz | stoned: I only got like what 7 weeks now |
| 13:05.22 | troubled | brb |
| 13:05.28 | stoned | nvz, for what |
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| 13:05.36 | nvz | stoned: halloween |
| 13:05.37 | stoned | nvz, in that ho-dunk town? |
| 13:05.37 | abrotman | pray he doesn't return? :) |
| 13:05.38 | stoned | :D |
| 13:05.40 | stoned | ohhh, hehe |
| 13:06.15 | stoned | I haven't trick-or-treated since I took my daughter out two years ago |
| 13:06.18 | navaladi | hi all,I need programme to get a files from nokia phones..also mount as filesystem. |
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| 13:06.23 | stoned | free candy is always nice |
| 13:06.30 | xquestionx | i have a full LAMP (with MTA, etc) working and i want to downgrade to sarge (im in testing) how can it be done? |
| 13:06.37 | dimbit_ | ok, not all avi files do it |
| 13:06.51 | dvs | ahh. My kernel compile is done |
| 13:06.53 | sander_ | abrotman, all bugs with bochs is very old ones. |
| 13:07.09 | nvz | stoned: yeah we dont to that, we just start a big fire play loud music through that old radio and tap the keg |
| 13:07.10 | navaladi | I have tried gammu ..that has problem with uploading files to my phone.. |
| 13:07.10 | abrotman | you can make a new one! |
| 13:07.22 | dimbit_ | some xvid's are ok, some aren't |
| 13:07.27 | navaladi | can i know a programe that do the same work? |
| 13:08.27 | nvz | I was considering maybe purchacing a speaker or two to add to the mix something with like a 15" and a cone tweeter.. but I am afraid to buy speakers and hook it to that radio.. I didnt do any maint on it just repairs to make it work.. just moving the volume knob could blow a speaker heh |
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| 13:08.55 | navaladi | debian + gammu problem uploading files back to mobile from hdd. |
| 13:09.48 | stoned | nvz, thats a task |
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| 13:10.16 | troubled | ahh, a thing of beauty |
| 13:10.31 | troubled | spent more time open a shell to run xchat lol |
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| 13:11.02 | nvz | stoned: working on that thing would be a PITA its one of those old floor models like 4ft long stands about 2 ft high.. lift up the lid and you got the turntable and 8-track.. heh |
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| 13:11.11 | troubled | btw, anyone know if know has a run... command ala windows? |
| 13:11.25 | nvz | stoned: I'm in love with the tubes on that thing though the amp sounds great |
| 13:11.42 | stoned | of course man, I still got tube amps for my Axes |
| 13:11.45 | nvz | stoned: they said I could have it, but I dont know how the hell I'd get it here and I wouldnt have it there for the party anymore :P |
| 13:11.51 | Eulex | troubled, gmrun |
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| 13:12.09 | troubled | Eulex: i meant a hotkey, like: winkey R |
| 13:12.41 | Eulex | troubled, you can bind any application to be launched when you press a hotkey |
| 13:12.48 | stoned | nvz, UHAUL! |
| 13:13.02 | troubled | Eulex: right now im running nohup xchat-gnome from a xterm...and it isnt returning so i dont wanna close it just yet hehe |
| 13:13.14 | nvz | I look for one all the time at the goodwill, salvation army..etc but everytime I come across one they want too much and the amp isnt as nice at this one.. this one even has a transmitter that it was originally sold with optional wireless speakers that you could use for surround |
| 13:13.25 | abrotman | troubled: just hit enter |
| 13:13.29 | troubled | Eulex: well, ill go dig that up now while you mention it, but thats not what i asked |
| 13:13.31 | Eulex | troubled, you should've run xchat-gnome & disown, then you could have closed it |
| 13:13.49 | stoned | nvz, you know what would be real impressive, is if you installed Debian on the radio :D |
| 13:14.03 | nvz | my neighbor in PA threw one out but it was too abused to be worth restoring |
| 13:14.05 | Eulex | troubled, bind a 'run' application to be launched when you press win-r -- voila! |
| 13:14.11 | abrotman | troubled: it depends on your WM or DE |
| 13:14.17 | troubled | abrotman: gde |
| 13:14.22 | sander_ | abrotman, i've tested bochs out on all 3 releases.. stable, testing and unstable. But some how I cant get it to work. Must be me doing it wrong. |
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| 13:14.25 | abrotman | wtf is gde ? |
| 13:14.28 | nvz | stoned: I just plug the RCA cables in the back of it and run debian on the pc.. since the radio doesnt have a cpu :P |
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| 13:14.31 | troubled | !gde |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | sander_: i've never used bochs |
| 13:14.39 | troubled | damn bot |
| 13:14.39 | Eulex | you mean kde? |
| 13:14.43 | troubled | gnome desktop env |
| 13:14.46 | abrotman | or gnome desktop environment ? |
| 13:14.52 | abrotman | say gnome .. like a normal fucking person |
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| 13:15.06 | troubled | :/ |
| 13:15.07 | sander_ | abrotman, ok. |
| 13:15.08 | abrotman | OH GNOME .. GNOME ... OH GOD .. GNOME |
| 13:15.13 | abrotman | see .. normal fucking person |
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| 13:15.36 | abrotman | troubled: yes .. there is some way to do it .. |
| 13:15.41 | sander_ | anyone know what could be wrong when I get this message after starting bochs?: >>PANIC<< dlopen failed for module 'x': file not found |
| 13:15.53 | troubled | abrotman: ya, digging for it in menus as you speak |
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| 13:16.16 | troubled | there we go..."keyboard shortcuts".... |
| 13:16.19 | abrotman | troubled: etch/sid ? |
| 13:16.27 | troubled | abrotman: etch |
| 13:16.35 | nvz | bleh.. theres a reason tea is suppose to be hot.. heh but its too much work to make hot tea then chill it.. :P tastes gritty like sugar |
| 13:16.40 | abrotman | troubled: install deskbar .. use that |
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| 13:16.47 | stoned | fuck iced tea |
| 13:16.50 | stoned | cold tea sucks |
| 13:17.09 | stoned | I love Tea with 2% milk and cream and sugar and biscuits |
| 13:17.13 | azeem | stoned: could you at least check your language when you swear at non-Debian related things, please |
| 13:17.13 | troubled | abrotman: only complaint so far is this odd mouse issue. randomly the context menu losses focus and you gotta click it a few times to get it to stay open |
| 13:17.28 | stoned | azeem, sure, what am I checking? |
| 13:17.28 | troubled | abrotman: i think thats whats running at the top of my screen actually |
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| 13:17.41 | sander_ | http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/archive/index.php/t-199941.html |
| 13:17.47 | nvz | stoned: fine iced tea |
| 13:17.48 | sander_ | seems like this guy have the same problem as me |
| 13:17.50 | abrotman | troubled: use that .. it isn't nearly as nice as minicommander .. but it will suffice |
| 13:18.02 | sander_ | but I dont understand it |
| 13:18.07 | abrotman | i don't understand german |
| 13:18.44 | tarzeau | !ppopcon |
| 13:18.45 | azeem | there's no solution on that page |
| 13:18.55 | stoned | azeem, I really don't understand, are you saying I can't swear? |
| 13:19.10 | dvs | stoned: fuck no |
| 13:19.10 | sander_ | ok. |
| 13:19.11 | RichiH | sander_: the answer just tells the poster that he did not include any kind of information that would help with debugging |
| 13:19.18 | nvz | tarzeau: st-t-t-t-u-tt-er-ing problems there? |
| 13:19.20 | abrotman | sounds like he's saying the config is wrong .. and to use qemu |
| 13:19.22 | soczol | anyone here have any idea how i can get the RAID1 (SATA II) with an Intel ICH7-R controller to work, the installer doesn't recognize it.. (sarge installer) |
| 13:19.34 | streuner | abrotman: true |
| 13:19.35 | azeem | stoned: I can't make you not swear, I just asked you nicely not to |
| 13:19.38 | dvs | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 13:19.39 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 13:19.46 | azeem | at least for off-topic stuff |
| 13:19.48 | tarzeau | nvz: arf |
| 13:19.48 | RichiH | abrotman: no, he says no config is included and that he should try qemu too, as it is faster |
| 13:19.49 | troubled | brb |
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| 13:19.57 | sander_ | RichiH, ok. thanks. then i'll search some more for my answer |
| 13:20.00 | stoned | azeem, oh, well it was a bit ambigious, I wasn't challenging you or anything, just trying to clarify |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | RichiH: babelfish was close :) |
| 13:20.07 | tarzeau | nvz: i should make a popcon for freebsd |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | 0 users ... 0 packages :) |
| 13:20.22 | tarzeau | s,i,someone,1 |
| 13:20.28 | asg | abrotman: that's cold |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | truth hurts |
| 13:20.45 | dvs | love stinks |
| 13:20.46 | asg | abrotman: so does an enema |
| 13:20.53 | stoned | lol |
| 13:20.57 | streuner | abrotman: no config - no additional infos, so the answer guy can't say something about, only qemu :-) |
| 13:21.01 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah. it helps with distributions that wont fit on a single media |
| 13:21.01 | abrotman | asg: i wouldn't personally know :) |
| 13:21.05 | stoned | asg, you get em often? |
| 13:21.06 | asg | abrotman: damn |
| 13:21.07 | stoned | hahaha |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | streuner: ah ok |
| 13:21.27 | asg | stoned: not that I'm aware of. |
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| 13:21.33 | stoned | asg, are you sure? |
| 13:21.34 | tarzeau | nvz: not just that |
| 13:21.35 | troubled | much better |
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| 13:21.47 | soczol | hmz, thanks - will try that |
| 13:21.59 | asg | stoned: yep, pretty sure |
| 13:22.58 | dvs | troubled: new kernel? |
| 13:23.01 | troubled | abrotman: well ill admit, the system is noticably better running. not to mention that sexy boot logo of tux :) I must say 1280x1024 bootup is nice |
| 13:23.14 | troubled | dvs: yes. next i gotta break X with ati |
| 13:23.20 | nvz | dvs: farts stink too but think of how you feel when you dont have them |
| 13:23.22 | abrotman | troubled: too much trouble if you ask me |
| 13:23.33 | troubled | abrotman: which, kernel or ati? |
| 13:23.41 | abrotman | sander_: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.development/browse_frm/thread/8662b87f633f06ae/499d94fe8f35159c%23499d94fe8f35159c |
| 13:23.47 | abrotman | sander_: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_frm/thread/c2e2ada8eeb2d3c3/4520e4448cc8a930%234520e4448cc8a930 |
| 13:24.03 | troubled | wow, is it ever noticable in the menus in gnome |
| 13:24.22 | nvz | apperently you never felt like you were having a heart attack then farted.. heh |
| 13:24.51 | troubled | nvz: like that family guy episode with peter on the bean chair |
| 13:26.16 | nvz | I dont remember that one. oh well.. I should go to bed and give sleep a chance. |
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| 13:26.51 | abrotman | nvz: all we are saying .. is give sleep a chance |
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| 13:28.32 | troubled | nvz: night |
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| 13:29.19 | troubled | well, time to trash my X install with ati and taint my kernel |
| 13:29.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: checked www.happypenguin.org recently? |
| 13:29.22 | troubled | wish me luck.... |
| 13:29.33 | tarzeau | troubled: i'm so happy with nvidia |
| 13:29.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. i like maniadrive .. couldn't get it to build .. |
| 13:29.46 | tarzeau | troubled: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/ |
| 13:29.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i couldn't figure out how to build the candy one either |
| 13:30.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i tried it on windows xp, and the game play sucked |
| 13:30.30 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:30.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.slashstone.com/prod.php?id=6 |
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| 13:30.46 | abrotman | yeah .. saw it .. oculdn't get it to build |
| 13:31.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: looks like fun, let me check the gameplay |
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| 13:31.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried kiki.sf.net ? |
| 13:31.13 | abrotman | nerp |
| 13:31.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's pretty tricky, i've gotten to level 15 or so |
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| 13:32.11 | CrippsFX | is there a script or utility that I can use to download all the necessary packages to a usb stick so that I can install it on another debian machine? (I'm trying to get ndiswrapper working on an old laptop with no network card other than my wireless PC card) |
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| 13:32.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you watched this now? http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=14532 |
| 13:32.34 | troubled | tarzeau: i used to be nvidia fan. but when i got this radeon this price where i got it and the specs were pefect for my needs and slow ass system |
| 13:32.39 | dvs | CrippsFX: Yes, it's in the install manual |
| 13:32.46 | lou80 | azeem, enouf, stew, troubled I got the 2.6.17 kernel working! |
| 13:32.49 | troubled | tarzeau: nvidia still closed source too isnt it? |
| 13:32.53 | CrippsFX | dvs, thanks :) |
| 13:32.59 | lou80 | hi |
| 13:33.05 | tarzeau | troubled: i love boxen without graphics card, i've made a jukebox of my sparc classic, in the living room |
| 13:33.06 | troubled | lou80: grats. for a min i thought you were Dan01 lol |
| 13:33.11 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 13:33.17 | tarzeau | troubled: turn it on, it plays random chiptunes (5000 songs at 100mb) |
| 13:33.29 | tarzeau | troubled: speakers built-in, 8khz, 8bit mono |
| 13:33.31 | dvs | CrippsFX: Wait. I was thinking of the installer |
| 13:33.35 | lou80 | who's Dan01? |
| 13:33.46 | CrippsFX | dvs. damn. |
| 13:33.51 | dvs | CrippsFX: You'll have to fetch the debs manually. |
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| 13:34.20 | sensiz | I upgraded the hardware and put in my old debian hdd.. and now it wont find my nic's.. why? |
| 13:34.29 | tarzeau | i wish someone packaged this for debian http://www.mtp-target.org/ |
| 13:34.31 | CrippsFX | dvs, fetching the debs isn't the problem, really, it's the dependencies that sucks ... maybe there's an apt-get option ... Imma go read the apt-get manual |
| 13:34.38 | troubled | tarzeau: well, this is normally my xp box, so its got all the luxuries (hp externel dvd + lightscribe, 19" benq, kick butt logitech surround etc). Thats only reason im using X. normally the dells are all cli only |
| 13:34.40 | tarzeau | and http://bub-n-bros.sf.net too #bub-n-bros |
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| 13:34.54 | himmelstrut_z | will amarok 1.4.2 get added to debian/etch any time soon? |
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| 13:35.09 | PerfDave | CrippsFX: You want to look at apt-move |
| 13:35.10 | abrotman | ask the maintainer |
| 13:35.38 | sensiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.41 | kollo15 | <kollo15> to much space been used on my computer, how can i find all files wich are bigger then 100BM? |
| 13:35.49 | abrotman | man find |
| 13:36.23 | CrippsFX | PerfDave, k. thanks. |
| 13:36.34 | Wyzard | kollo15: If you want to find out what's using up all your disk space, you might be interested in the "baobab" package |
| 13:36.55 | cydork | kollo15, just do man find too |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: been hiding ? |
| 13:37.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: nah, just busy |
| 13:37.08 | kollo15 | but how i can find file with are big |
| 13:37.09 | Bushmills | kollo, du will do too |
| 13:37.19 | PerfDave | sensiz: How old is old? What kernel is it using? A hand-rolled one or a Debian-packaged one? |
| 13:37.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: you work too much .. you should meet me for beer :) |
| 13:37.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: weee nikwi IS FUN. FUUUUUN :) |
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| 13:37.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: why only does it not have multiplayer mode... |
| 13:37.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: wouldn't build for me |
| 13:37.57 | abrotman | wanted bmake or somerhing |
| 13:38.01 | Wyzard | abrotman: Not busy with work... just doing other stuff |
| 13:38.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: ouf, i'll look at it when i'm in linux again |
| 13:38.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. that's no excuse! |
| 13:38.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: if i can build it, it'll get packaged |
| 13:38.19 | lou80 | troubled is very an easy way to look at the differences between 2 kernel .config files? |
| 13:38.29 | abrotman | diff or cmp |
| 13:38.30 | lou80 | is there* lol |
| 13:38.32 | Wyzard | lou80: diff -u config1 config2 |
| 13:38.36 | troubled | lou80: what abrotmansaid |
| 13:38.45 | lou80 | nice thanks |
| 13:38.47 | troubled | unified is the key iirc |
| 13:38.58 | abrotman | hehe .. you could use sort and uniq |
| 13:39.18 | abrotman | wouldn't be very exact though |
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| 13:40.52 | CrippsFX | PerfDave, yep. Sure looks handy. I'm about to give it a shot. Thanks. |
| 13:41.03 | lou80 | where does the diff file go? |
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| 13:41.13 | abrotman | to your screen unless you say otherwise |
| 13:41.25 | lou80 | do i redirect it or something? |
| 13:41.45 | lou80 | that didn't happen, what does the u do? |
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| 13:43.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: the fish swim faster when they see you :( |
| 13:43.22 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 13:43.42 | PerfDave | lou80: What command did you type? |
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| 13:44.16 | lou80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.44 | lou80 | and diff /boot/config-2.6.17 /usr/src/linux/.config but nothing not even an errot |
| 13:44.46 | PerfDave | lou80: If that generated no output, then teh files are probably identical |
| 13:44.47 | Wyzard | lou80: If you get no output, it means the files are identical |
| 13:44.56 | Wyzard | lou80: Use "cmp" on them to check that |
| 13:45.03 | lou80 | ah thanks |
| 13:45.15 | PerfDave | lou80: Or "diff -su /boot/config-2.6.17 /usr/src/linux/.config" |
| 13:45.22 | PerfDave | -s will generate output when files are identical |
| 13:45.30 | lou80 | got it thanks |
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| 13:46.45 | struct | anyone can recommend video editing software? |
| 13:47.21 | abrotman | vi |
| 13:47.33 | freeone3000 | Not reallyu. |
| 13:47.46 | freeone3000 | LiVES is lacking. Primiere is huge and expensive. |
| 13:47.54 | abrotman | isn't it called kino or cinerella ? |
| 13:48.09 | struct | cant find cinerella in debian |
| 13:48.13 | PerfDave | I've heard good things about kino |
| 13:48.15 | abrotman | it's not |
| 13:48.27 | struct | kino is though |
| 13:48.29 | struct | ill try it |
| 13:48.35 | abrotman | kde is krap! |
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| 13:48.52 | freeone3000 | I find cinepaint. |
| 13:48.55 | struct | abrotman: your mama is crap |
| 13:49.02 | freeone3000 | (I also use the marlliat repos) |
| 13:49.07 | abrotman | she's a woman .. close enough |
| 13:49.13 | struct | abrotman: just kidding around by the way |
| 13:49.16 | struct | abrotman: :-P |
| 13:49.31 | lou80 | tut tut |
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| 13:51.08 | troubled | well, so far so good...just gotta get module to load now :/ |
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| 13:52.21 | tarzeau | CAFQNX,XAAFNN,NAAXXG |
| 13:52.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: this game sucks |
| 13:52.34 | dvs | tarzeau: the language! |
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| 13:54.00 | xst | I'm using munin to monitor e.g. the apache performance. However, I do not understand why "accesses/second" is measured in "100 m", "200 m", etc. No host can server x million accesses per second anyway, so what does this y-axis labeling mean? |
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| 13:55.16 | SeanTater | I cannot mount my camera... konqueror says: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") |
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| 13:56.04 | SeanTater | Giving up on that -- How can a normal user (rw) access the photos on the camera? (like through mount) |
| 13:56.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: nico tuvla RULES! |
| 13:56.24 | dvs | SeanTater: join the camera group? |
| 13:56.40 | troubled | ahh hehe. a start brb |
| 13:57.01 | SeanTater | dvs: okay -- working on that now |
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| 13:58.29 | freegan-bh | When my linuxrc runs the last commandline for init, it shows linuxrc: dev/console: no such file or directory . The command is: exec chroot . /sbin/init $* <dev/console >dev/console 2>&1. Help? |
| 13:59.13 | Gnea | freegan-bh: what changed? |
| 13:59.26 | freegan-bh | Gnea ? |
| 13:59.36 | freegan-bh | changed from what? |
| 13:59.41 | Gnea | did you upgrade? what happened before this happened? |
| 14:00.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: gnaaa i got to level 4 but it's soo hard, can you finish one of those slashstone games? |
| 14:00.04 | PerfDave | xst: What makes you think that hosts can't serve million sof accsses per second? |
| 14:00.28 | freegan-bh | Gnea: im mounting a disk through a loopback device |
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| 14:00.48 | Gnea | freegan-bh: real or virtual disk? |
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| 14:01.51 | freegan-bh | Gnea: real |
| 14:02.11 | Gnea | freegan-bh: for what purpose? |
| 14:02.20 | freegan-bh | Gnea: its encrypted |
| 14:02.25 | Gnea | freegan-bh: for what purpose? |
| 14:02.46 | freegan-bh | Gnea: to decrypt it? |
| 14:03.28 | Gnea | sooo, have you read any disk encryption howtos/tutorials? |
| 14:03.40 | freegan-bh | Gnea: yes, all of them |
| 14:03.41 | xst | PerfDave: It's my local machinge on my local subnet. Nobody access it but me. So if the "m" stands for "million" I would have accessed it 700 million times per second for an hour ago. I didn't do that. |
| 14:03.54 | freegan-bh | Gnea: in fact I'm following the exact procedure for one of them |
| 14:04.08 | Gnea | freegan-bh: and that would be located where? |
| 14:04.22 | freegan-bh | Gnea: the procedure? |
| 14:04.25 | Gnea | yes. |
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| 14:05.05 | freegan-bh | Gnea: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Disk-Encryption-HOWTO/#Scripts |
| 14:05.16 | freegan-bh | Gnea: look at the linuxrc script, the last line |
| 14:05.30 | xst | PerfDave: Also, if I look at the ExtendedStats output, I can see that only 3600 access was made since last reboot. |
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| 14:07.02 | Gnea | freegan-bh: i see it - nifty - too bad it's using AES and is thus a waste of time. |
| 14:07.19 | freegan-bh | why aes is waste of time? |
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| 14:08.36 | Gnea | !aes |
| 14:08.36 | dpkg | well, aes is the Advanced Encryption Standard and is expected to replace DES during the early part of the next century. All candidates for the AES must be symmetric block cyphers supporting atleast 128, 192, and 256 bit keys. See http://www.nist.gov/aes for more information. rijndael, or rijndael was only picked because it worked the best on a smart card. Twofish should have won, or very weak, as described and detailed here: http://tinyurl.com/plegv |
| 14:10.03 | freegan-bh | Gnea: but still, changing the algo doesnt solves the problem |
| 14:11.17 | Arafangion | Is limbo considered a sport - if so, are there any websites about the subject? |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: they don't build |
| 14:11.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: use wine on the windows binaries :) |
| 14:11.51 | sander_ | whats the diffrence on a "boot" and a "ramdisk" floppy image? |
| 14:11.51 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I think abrotman knows that :) |
| 14:12.01 | Arafangion | sander_: Boot is what boots the system. |
| 14:12.02 | Gnea | freegan-bh: either '.' is not the / of the filesystem, dev/console doesn't exist or there's an encryption problem |
| 14:12.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
| 14:12.09 | Arafangion | sander_: randisk is what provides a runtime environment. |
| 14:12.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: they're really just of short fun |
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| 14:12.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: since they get too hard at two levels, so... |
| 14:12.30 | troubled | bah, so much for that hehe |
| 14:12.32 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I would never describe Wine as "fun". |
| 14:12.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: if i were going to use wine .. i'd play a game like TA |
| 14:12.40 | Gnea | freegan-bh: the script assumes that it's chrooting to the proper /, and assumes that /dev/console exists - if it doesn't, you may need to mknod it if you can |
| 14:12.53 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Though, I do feel that it's ironic that wine allows Linux to be the *only* OS that can have multiple installations of internet explorer. |
| 14:12.54 | tarzeau | Arafangion: i used to play the dopewars graphical windows version with wine |
| 14:13.14 | Arafangion | tarzeau: That figures, dopewars... :) |
| 14:13.24 | tarzeau | heh |
| 14:13.30 | freegan-bh | Gnea: Yes i copied it from my previous install. cp -a /dev/console to the initrd/dev/ dir |
| 14:13.32 | Devil_Kin | ok, seems that _no_ current debian-installer image works for amd64 and forcedeth. great. |
| 14:13.54 | sander_ | Arafangion, i'm trying to get my own test image to run in bochs, an x86 emulator. How come the "ramdisk" one runs. but the "boot" image dosnt work. |
| 14:13.54 | Gnea | freegan-bh: did you ls -l them to make sure that they are in fact one in the same? |
| 14:14.13 | Gnea | freegan-bh: cd $MOUNT && ls -l dev/console && ls -l /dev/console |
| 14:14.16 | freegan-bh | Gnea: yes I did that, they are the same chars |
| 14:14.20 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you also play nethack, right? |
| 14:14.27 | Gnea | freegan-bh: same permissions/owners? |
| 14:14.30 | sander_ | Arafangion, is it possible to transform a boot image to a ramdisk image? |
| 14:14.51 | freegan-bh | Gnea: yes |
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| 14:15.30 | Gnea | freegan-bh: then something else is amiss... sorry, can't help you any farther.. good luck |
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| 14:15.47 | Gnea | i simply do not know |
| 14:15.48 | sander_ | Arafangion, do you know how I can boot my system with the "boot" image? |
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| 14:16.25 | freegan-bh | Gnea: ah you meant if the console from the initrd is the same as on the $mount? |
| 14:16.33 | sander_ | Arafangion, sorry for asking that many questions. I've just tried to figure out this problem for too many hours. |
| 14:16.44 | abrotman | sander_: did you see the links i posted? |
| 14:17.21 | sander_ | abrotman, no. long time ago? |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | sander_: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.development/browse_frm/thread/8662b87f633f06ae/499d94fe8f35159c%23499d94fe8f35159c |
| 14:17.38 | abrotman | sander_: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_frm/thread/c2e2ada8eeb2d3c3/4520e4448cc8a930%234520e4448cc8a930 |
| 14:17.40 | sander_ | Ah. Yeah. |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | fine .. |
| 14:17.44 | sander_ | I saw that link :-) |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | oh well .. carry on |
| 14:17.52 | sander_ | that worked |
| 14:17.59 | abrotman | (no thanks .. nothing .. noone loves me) |
| 14:18.15 | sander_ | <3 <3 |
| 14:18.30 | sander_ | I do |
| 14:18.55 | sander_ | thanks :-) |
| 14:19.03 | Danamania | abrotman++ |
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| 14:19.28 | jlaw | !tell abrotman -about love |
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| 14:19.51 | abrotman | ok .. don't do that again! |
| 14:20.00 | sander_ | me? |
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| 14:21.01 | abrotman | no .. me ... |
| 14:21.03 | sander_ | abrotman, and I belived you didnt want to come back again. |
| 14:21.08 | sander_ | ;-) |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | i tried to run wine .. X imploded |
| 14:21.57 | asg | beer is more forgiving |
| 14:22.04 | Stevie-O | what would beer do? |
| 14:22.15 | asg | Stevie-O: go down smoother |
| 14:22.16 | Stevie-O | Beos EmulatoR ? |
| 14:22.25 | Stevie-O | BEos EmulatorR |
| 14:22.27 | sander_ | !tell abrotman -about love |
| 14:22.40 | sander_ | huh. it works. |
| 14:22.58 | asg | sander_: beware the ice weasels |
| 14:24.06 | freeone3000 | Beer. An alcoholic drink. A fine alternative to wine. Another alcoholic drink.. |
| 14:25.00 | cydork | !beer |
| 14:25.00 | dpkg | well, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 14:25.10 | cydork | i like that on better :P |
| 14:25.15 | cydork | s/on/one/ |
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| 14:29.25 | sergino | jair? |
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| 14:29.53 | troubled | i can see this is gonna be a long day hehe |
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| 14:35.18 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:35.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:39.29 | jlaw | !insult abrotman |
| 14:39.31 | dpkg | abrotman is nothing but a swag-bellied thimbleful of tickle-brained craptacular carpet droppings |
| 14:39.49 | DaBlade | !insult dpkg |
| 14:39.51 | dpkg | dpkg is nothing but a contemptible assload of acidic yoo-hoo |
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| 14:40.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:40.49 | jlaw | ! |
| 14:41.08 | azeem | jlaw: be bored in private, please |
| 14:41.10 | Tallu| | Hmm I wonder why the nvidia oneliner / nor the documentation on how to do it have never worked for me |
| 14:41.29 | Tallu| | it always breaks when i try to m-a a-i nvidia |
| 14:41.38 | syntaxx | Tallu|, maybe your doing it wrong |
| 14:41.44 | azeem | well, unless you quote the error how it breaks, nobody can help you |
| 14:41.45 | zinx | let me look at my magic ball and figure out why |
| 14:41.47 | PerfDave | Tallu|: What do you mean by "it breaks"? |
| 14:41.54 | Tallu| | Just a second, I'll use the pastebin. |
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| 14:43.38 | Benny | Hi, how can i run a shellscript on the shell iam, so not ./ because that opens a extra shell |
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| 14:43.57 | freeone3000 | copy-paste? |
| 14:44.03 | Tallu| | Okay here goes: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3556 |
| 14:44.10 | Zaib | guys how to implement Network Access Control on debian .. any article or how to ? |
| 14:44.35 | zinx | sounds like a fancy name for a firewall |
| 14:44.51 | Zaib | nope its now firewall |
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| 14:45.38 | martianixor | 5A |
| 14:45.43 | martianixor | sorry |
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| 14:47.07 | Tallu| | PerfDave, well anyways, that's the error i get. just that the build failed and then the whole build process with that exit error |
| 14:48.33 | PerfDave | Tallu|: Hmm, sorry, no idea about that one. |
| 14:48.45 | PerfDave | But hey, y'know. Non-Free software. |
| 14:48.56 | freeone3000 | It's useful! |
| 14:48.58 | Tallu| | Yeah it seems really weird, it's always done the same to me. No matter what kernel version, even with the stock one |
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| 14:49.11 | freeone3000 | Rar. Java. Nvidia. These are all very non-free. |
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| 14:49.28 | PerfDave | freeone3000: Yes, they are |
| 14:49.41 | PerfDave | nvidia's the only one that's useful though ;) |
| 14:49.56 | freeone3000 | ...Well, I have my uses for rar. |
| 14:50.06 | cyzie | how do i extract/list content of cpio file ? |
| 14:50.10 | Zaib | does anyone knows about any open source implementation of NAC ? |
| 14:50.36 | PerfDave | cyzie: Have you looked at "man cpio"? |
| 14:50.38 | PerfDave | Zaib: What's NAC? |
| 14:50.58 | Zaib | PerfDave: Network Access Control |
| 14:51.08 | freeone3000 | cyzie: Looks like http://www.ontrack.com/restore/restoreunixcpio.aspx |
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| 14:51.48 | asg | Zaib: hostapd does 802.1x |
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| 14:54.15 | PerfDave | Zaib: That doesn't tell me anything useful. |
| 14:54.37 | cyzie | thanks freeone3000 PerfDave |
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| 14:59.45 | Arafangion | Wow, it takes ages to netinst a desktop debian system! |
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| 15:00.11 | cyzie | any GUI tools to help me to access windows network using samba ? |
| 15:00.21 | dvs | Arafangion: i'd do that after the install |
| 15:00.24 | Arafangion | What's wrong with good old tarballs of particular common combinations. |
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| 15:00.32 | Arafangion | dvs: Heh, too late! |
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| 15:01.25 | dazjorz | Hey |
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| 15:01.41 | dazjorz | The whole laptop works now (except for sound, but thats not very important atm) |
| 15:02.04 | Arafangion | desrever: Including standby/hibernation? |
| 15:02.20 | dazjorz | now |
| 15:02.26 | dazjorz | what is the debian way to start programs at boot ? |
| 15:02.33 | Arafangion | dvs: The only snag I've had so far is no recent kernel, and that the resolution is unsuppored. |
| 15:02.33 | dazjorz | for certain runlevels ? |
| 15:02.36 | PerfDave | dazjorz: Depends on the program. |
| 15:02.41 | Arafangion | dvs: It doesn't allow me to choose 1400x1050 |
| 15:02.44 | PerfDave | dazjorz: The debian way is not to mess with runlevels. |
| 15:02.49 | jetscreamer | cyzie: smb4k is such a thang ... there is tksmb ... gsambad... some others... |
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| 15:02.57 | dazjorz | PerfDave: A program that I wrote that automatically connects to my own wireless network |
| 15:03.07 | PerfDave | Genrally, if it's a service, have an initscript. If it's something else, put it in an @reboot cronjob |
| 15:03.10 | dazjorz | PerfDave: I thought there was this command for that. |
| 15:03.10 | zinx | dazjorz: create an init script, use update-rc.d to install it |
| 15:03.23 | dazjorz | zinx: Ok, that's what I was looking for |
| 15:03.28 | PerfDave | dazjorz: WHy do yo need a program to do that? |
| 15:03.29 | zinx | dazjorz: that .. doesn't sound like something i'd want to start via init, though |
| 15:03.47 | PerfDave | The best place for something networking-related is /etc/network/interfaces in a pre/post-up script |
| 15:03.51 | cyzie | jetscreamer, neat! thanks a lot bro |
| 15:03.59 | dazjorz | PerfDave: Because I don't want to type the whole ifup, iwconfig, wpa_supplicant and dhclient thing all the time |
| 15:04.14 | PerfDave | dazjorz: Uhm, so put it all in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:04.20 | PerfDave | That's what it's there for |
| 15:04.25 | dazjorz | PerfDave: I just want the program to be ran automatically, so that when the system is started, I have internet |
| 15:04.34 | PerfDave | Yes, that's what /etc/network/interfaces does |
| 15:04.34 | azeem | dazjorz: this is standard operation, read the wpa-supplicant README.Debian for information |
| 15:04.37 | Arafangion | dazjorz: Are you DEAF? |
| 15:04.45 | azeem | Arafangion: chill |
| 15:04.47 | dazjorz | Arafangion, No, WHY? |
| 15:04.48 | asg | Arafangion: it's irrelevant if he's on irc |
| 15:05.06 | dazjorz | PerfDave: can I put that in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:05.18 | dazjorz | azeem: Ok, I will |
| 15:05.24 | dazjorz | bbl |
| 15:05.51 | PerfDave | dazjorz: You can put *anything* in /etc/network/interfaces using pre- and post-up directives |
| 15:05.58 | dvs | Arafangion: What kernel are you trying to use? |
| 15:06.10 | Arafangion | azeem: Perhaps I worded it too strongly, but I wanted him to _read_ what was being said. |
| 15:06.17 | PerfDave | Whoo, I am listening to a radio station broadcast about 200 yards away, over the Internet :) |
| 15:06.33 | Arafangion | dvs: A version that supports my wifi card - I believe that is either 2.6.17 or 2.6.18 |
| 15:06.56 | PerfDave | I've got a laptop (dhansak) and a desktop (tandoor) both running Sarge and KDE, and I'm trying to set up XDMCP logins. I've enabled them in kdm on tandoor, and can run "Xnest :1 -query tandoor" on dhansak and log in. But when I select "remote login" from kdm on dhansak, put in tandoor as a hostname, kdm seems to crash. Any clues? |
| 15:07.14 | dvs | Arafangion: yeah, you'd have to compile it yourself if you are using sarge (Debian 3.1) |
| 15:07.28 | PerfDave | dvs: Or Arafangion can get it from backports.org |
| 15:07.51 | Arafangion | I tend to use backports. |
| 15:07.52 | Arafangion | :) |
| 15:09.54 | dvs | Arafangion: Then why not this time? |
| 15:10.04 | Arafangion | dvs: Because it's still installing :) |
| 15:10.40 | Malagmyr | er. I tried Debian on a brand new laptop, and nothing really works. How the heck to I reinstall Windows' boot loader? |
| 15:10.58 | PerfDave | Malagmyr: Can you not boot Windows with grub? |
| 15:11.13 | Arafangion | Malagmyr: And once there, use fdisk /mbr |
| 15:11.24 | Malagmyr | PerfDave: that I can, but without linux, it's hard to configure grub. it does boot windows though |
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| 15:11.33 | PerfDave | When you install Debian as a dual-boot, it sets up boot menu entries for your existing OS |
| 15:11.35 | Malagmyr | Afafangion: ah |
| 15:11.42 | PerfDave | Malagmyr: So why do you want Windows' bootloader back? |
| 15:11.44 | Arafangion | Malagmyr: Just like windows to be undocumented :) |
| 15:11.55 | Malagmyr | Arfangion: :) |
| 15:12.11 | Arafangion | Malagmyr: Still, what doesn't work in particular? hibernation? |
| 15:12.11 | stoned | you can use ntldr + grldr to boot debian from windows |
| 15:12.20 | stoned | or you can just install grub and let grub manage windows as well |
| 15:12.26 | stoned | don't forget to chainload |
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| 15:13.45 | Malagmyr | PerfDave: it's my girlfriend's laptop. it's a brand new acer something. she wants to try out linux, and I set about installing it, but I couldn't get the graphics card working, even with the proprietary drivers, no wlan, no sound etc. I'm gonna put debian in Virtual PC instead, for her to experiment with. safer, too. |
| 15:14.07 | Arafangion | Malagmyr: Which one? |
| 15:14.07 | PerfDave | Malagmyr: Did you try looking on linux-laptop.net for her model? |
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| 15:14.35 | stoned | if she just wants to try out linux, go with a live cd |
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| 15:14.45 | stoned | let her check it out, don't worry about installing until she is sure |
| 15:14.57 | Arafangion | Malagmyr: I'm running an Acer V6V, and it runs flawlessly under Ubuntu, though, since upgrading to Dapper, it's been "funny" (Not impressed with Ubuntu's upgradability - hence my return to Debian) |
| 15:15.16 | Malagmyr | stoned: problem with that is the hardware compatibility again. |
| 15:15.16 | stoned | ubuntu did nothing but piss me off, so I say screw it |
| 15:15.36 | Malagmyr | Debian rox :) |
| 15:15.37 | Arafangion | stoned: Same, but you still have to admit that their laptop support is excellent. |
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| 15:15.48 | stoned | I would't know |
| 15:15.55 | stoned | my laptop has run nothing but sid in years |
| 15:16.02 | Arafangion | stoned: Heck, Debian's TODO list is to get Ubuntu's laptop support, see the Etch TODO :) |
| 15:16.06 | stoned | PerfDave, exactly |
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| 15:16.31 | PerfDave | I have no interest in putting up with the pain which is trying to get support from clueless Ubuntards if things don't work 100% first time. |
| 15:16.40 | stoned | lol |
| 15:16.45 | rob_ | i hate the philosophy in ubuntus remove what you dont want |
| 15:16.45 | stoned | Ubuntards! haha |
| 15:16.49 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Things always work 100% the first time. |
| 15:16.55 | eastwood | stop distrowars |
| 15:16.55 | Arafangion | PerfDave: It's hte second time that's the pain :( |
| 15:16.59 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Not any time I've ever used Ubuntu :) |
| 15:17.08 | SpeedyG | rob_: you mean the M$-philosophy that ubuntu uses ;) |
| 15:17.20 | rob_ | well yea |
| 15:17.21 | stoned | I agree with PerfDave. Nothing has ever worked out of the box just like that in ubuntu whenever I've used it |
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| 15:17.28 | PerfDave | Though often the problem you get in Ubuntu is similar to a problem you get in Debian so you can seach through the Debian list archives to find a solution ;) |
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| 15:17.37 | stoned | there is a reason why ubuntu users come here and ask for support |
| 15:17.45 | stoned | mostly becasue they can't get answeres in #ubuntu |
| 15:17.47 | rob_ | like i install ubuntu and it starts a load of random services |
| 15:17.49 | stoned | what does that tell you? |
| 15:18.00 | rob_ | like a bittorrent tracker |
| 15:18.08 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Well, perhaps Ubuntu has improved since you last used it (It _is_ a young distro), their package system sucks, though. |
| 15:18.16 | Malagmyr | My old HP Omnibook 6100 (this box) runs Debian perfectly :) Special keys, hibernation, sound, graphics.. everything is bliss! |
| 15:18.19 | rob_ | LVM and all this other nonsense |
| 15:18.19 | stoned | they use apt, apt rocks |
| 15:18.19 | PerfDave | Arafangion: I last used it about a fortnight ago. |
| 15:18.21 | Arafangion | (THere _is_ more to debian's package system than just Deb and apt - it's also the dependencies) |
| 15:18.33 | dvs | Malagmyr: i'm not surprised |
| 15:18.54 | PerfDave | A good package management system needs not only good technology, but good QA. Other distros have apt, but none have QA as good as Debian's. |
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| 15:20.19 | GenghisKhan | HEY WEINER |
| 15:20.34 | azeem | GenghisKhan: please do not write in all caps |
| 15:20.36 | Malagmyr | HAHA! Microsoft actually documents linux removal? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314458 |
| 15:20.42 | stoned | mustard? |
| 15:20.46 | GenghisKhan | But I want to eat you |
| 15:20.47 | asg | stoned: for the weiner |
| 15:20.48 | lou80 | Quick question, does make oldconfig take its values from the spare config file in /boot correspoding to the current running kernel? |
| 15:20.49 | stoned | dog? |
| 15:20.49 | GenghisKhan | With some mustard |
| 15:20.52 | stoned | I figured |
| 15:20.58 | stoned | I hate mustard, reminds me of baby poop |
| 15:20.59 | GenghisKhan | Mustard, please |
| 15:21.06 | stoned | and its sour and nasty :) |
| 15:21.34 | GenghisKhan | Hey girl, hey boy |
| 15:21.37 | GenghisKhan | Superstard djs |
| 15:21.41 | GenghisKhan | Whoa |
| 15:21.43 | GenghisKhan | Here we go |
| 15:21.43 | azeem | GenghisKhan: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:21.46 | Arafangion | Malagmyr: MS has had an about face with Linux - they now acknowledge their existance, and even have a "bootcamp", to test linux interoperability (Though, I suspect that's only for politics) |
| 15:21.52 | dvs | azeem: I don't think so |
| 15:21.56 | GenghisKhan | No, but do I really have 5 fingers? |
| 15:22.12 | Malagmyr | Arfangion: heh. didn't know that. |
| 15:22.18 | azeem | GenghisKhan: if you do not have Debian questions, then either be quiet or leave |
| 15:22.24 | azeem | please. |
| 15:22.26 | PerfDave | lou80: I thought it parsed an existing .config file in the kernel source tree, but I don't do much kernel stuff. |
| 15:22.28 | GenghisKhan | Yeah, you win.. |
| 15:22.30 | GenghisKhan | For now.. |
| 15:22.45 | GenghisKhan | This Debian empire will be mine. |
| 15:22.56 | stoned | GenghisKhan, good luck with that |
| 15:22.59 | lou80 | PerfDave, it may well do. Time to experiment |
| 15:23.06 | freegan-bh | Im getting bash: chroot: no such file or directory when initrd is trying to pass control to init. How I fix this? |
| 15:23.07 | Arafangion | GenghisKhan: And I suggest you take a break from Age of Empires II for a short while. Say, about a day or so... |
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| 15:23.31 | GenghisKhan | What the hell is Age of Empires? |
| 15:23.34 | abrotman | freegan-bh: perhaps the chroot file or directory doesn't exist |
| 15:23.39 | GenghisKhan | I don't eat nerds. |
| 15:23.45 | abrotman | GenghisKhan: please stop |
| 15:24.13 | freegan-bh | abrotman: depending on the command line, I get bash: chroot: no such file or directory bash: chroot: success. But still kernel panics |
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| 15:24.30 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Have you reconfigured grub or lilo recently? Have you installed or reinstalled a kernel recently? |
| 15:25.17 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: im trying to mount root on a disk through loopack from initrd |
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| 15:26.05 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: You probably have incorrectly configured root or boot arguments to the kernel. |
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| 15:26.31 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: it seems so, and thats why im asking for help |
| 15:26.32 | lou80 | PerfDave, it seems to use /boot/config-'unam -a' |
| 15:27.06 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Next question we are going to ask is "What kernel command line did you use"? :) |
| 15:27.15 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: And if you're using grub, or lilo, etc. |
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| 15:27.49 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Can we assume that you've compiled the neccessary support for whatever the heck you're doing, not as modules? (Or, have the modules in the initrd) |
| 15:28.07 | hdkiller | hello, i have ati 9550 gl performance issue, mesa hand complied examples, glxgears says 1600 fps, reference found on google about 6-7000 fps for the same card i have.. |
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| 15:28.13 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: the problem is with the custom linuxrc script, you wanna see it? |
| 15:28.28 | nxtw | can anyone recommend a console two-pane file manager besides MC? |
| 15:28.32 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: I doubt I can actually fix it, but no harm in looking. :) |
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| 15:28.38 | abrotman | nxtw: xfe or gentoo |
| 15:28.39 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: It's also past midnight for me. |
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| 15:29.05 | Arafangion | abrotman: These days, I'd probably clarify "gentoo" |
| 15:29.14 | abrotman | !info gentoo sarge |
| 15:29.21 | abrotman | betteR? |
| 15:29.35 | Arafangion | abrotman: Let's wait for Rodney, he's a bit slow :) |
| 15:29.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:29.45 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:29.45 | dpkg | what's up |
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| 15:30.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: Dang, rodney's the nethack bot! |
| 15:30.21 | abrotman | !info gentoo etch |
| 15:30.26 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.55-1 (etch), Packaged size: 771 kB, Installed size: 2444 kB |
| 15:30.34 | abrotman | !info xfe etch |
| 15:30.37 | Arafangion | There, that's sufficient clarification :) |
| 15:30.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 15:30.53 | abrotman | !info xfe sarge |
| 15:30.56 | abrotman | !tell dazjorz about away |
| 15:30.58 | dazjorz | so... |
| 15:31.07 | Arafangion | abrotman: Looks like dpkg is missing messages. |
| 15:31.10 | dazjorz | sorry abrotman |
| 15:31.11 | dazjorz | er |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:31.29 | abrotman | i think dpkg is broken |
| 15:31.46 | dazjorz | so let me reexplain |
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| 15:31.52 | PerfDave | I've got a laptop (dhansak) and a desktop (tandoor) both running Sarge and KDE, and I'm trying to set up XDMCP logins. I've enabled them in kdm on tandoor, and can run "Xnest :1 -query tandoor" on dhansak and log in. But when I select "remote login" from kdm on dhansak, put in tandoor as a hostname, kdm seems to crash. Any clues? |
| 15:32.09 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Usually, when people don't respond, it means nobody knows. |
| 15:32.10 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: http://pastebin.com/776494 |
| 15:32.13 | abrotman | it's inherently broken :) |
| 15:32.23 | dazjorz | i made a program that connects me to my wireless network (non-standard procedeure, or however you spell that word, my wireless lan card isn't very default) |
| 15:32.27 | Arafangion | PerfDave: I'd wait at least 30 minutes, or ask more specialized channels, or use mailing lists. |
| 15:32.37 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Yeah, that's why I waited twenty minutes, during which period other people have joined the channel. |
| 15:32.40 | abrotman | Arafangion: oh .. !tell him about repeat |
| 15:32.49 | Arafangion | PerfDave: TWENTY MINUTES? |
| 15:32.52 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Dang, I thought it was only five! |
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| 15:33.03 | dazjorz | so I need to run this program every time at boot |
| 15:33.06 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Thanks, grandson, I never knew how to suck eggs until you told me! |
| 15:33.15 | dazjorz | in the same way dhclient is ran every time at boot |
| 15:33.17 | PerfDave | dazjorz: /etc/network/interfaces already |
| 15:33.17 | dazjorz | how do I do that? |
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| 15:33.39 | Arafangion | PerfDave: Gosh, it's 1:30am, I guess I loose all sense of time at that point :) |
| 15:33.40 | dazjorz | PerfDave: how do I run programs with that already ? |
| 15:33.42 | asg | dazjorz: man 5 interfaces, man 7 wireless |
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| 15:34.12 | PerfDave | dazjorz: Using the pre/post-up direcitves that I already told you about |
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| 15:34.37 | dazjorz | PerfDave: I can't remember you told me about pre/post-up derectives, and if you mean /etc/network/if-pre-up.d, I can't use that |
| 15:34.47 | dazjorz | PerfDave: For various reasons, just assume it is true |
| 15:34.50 | Arafangion | dazjorz: Why can't you use them? |
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| 15:35.05 | PerfDave | dazjorz: I'm sorry for your terrible, short term amnesia. |
| 15:35.16 | dazjorz | PerfDave: You must've said it after I went away. |
| 15:35.23 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: seen it? |
| 15:35.29 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Oh, sorry! |
| 15:35.30 | dazjorz | PerfDave: and yes, I have memory problems, I know that |
| 15:35.37 | dazjorz | PerfDave: But i'm sure that's not the case here. |
| 15:35.52 | hobophobe | I've resolved to update my kernel before trying to muck about with the promise drivers. Currently I'm running 2.6.8-2-386, but my processor is a AMD64. What's my best option? Stick with a -386, or is it safe to move to -686 (is that Intel only?) or even a _64? |
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| 15:36.15 | abrotman | hobophobe: there's a k8 kernel .. or you can go pure64 |
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| 15:36.15 | dazjorz | would /etc/init.d/boot.local work? |
| 15:36.16 | zinx | hobophobe: k7 would probably be best |
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| 15:36.21 | dazjorz | or such a file? |
| 15:36.36 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Oh, you're using pivot mounts? |
| 15:36.43 | asg | !rc.local |
| 15:36.43 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 15:36.46 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 15:36.48 | zinx | hobophobe: if there's a k8 kernel in debian for your arch, that's also fine (it's a 64-bit kernel, though) |
| 15:36.59 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: I've seen the ltsp use that (Linux Terminal Server Project) |
| 15:37.03 | abrotman | zinx: that's ok .. you can run the 64bit with 32bit userland |
| 15:37.05 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: yes, why? actually thats a script from a tldp howto. it should work |
| 15:37.18 | zinx | abrotman: i wouldn't do it if debian hasn't packaged the k8 kernel for i386 :D |
| 15:37.23 | abrotman | oh i give up with the bot .... he's fucked |
| 15:37.25 | abrotman | zinx: it is |
| 15:37.31 | zinx | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 15:37.37 | asg | abrotman: get stew to bring aptitude online then |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | zinx: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 |
| 15:37.49 | dazjorz | PerfDave: The program first executes if-pre-up.d (which in turn would rerun the program itself), then it executes iwconfig, then wpa_supplicant in another process, then it repeats wpa_cli until the status is "connected", and then it runs dhclient |
| 15:37.51 | abrotman | asg: i think stew is away ... |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | maybe he's returned |
| 15:37.58 | hobophobe | If I go with the 64 bit, what would I need to do to bring the rest of my system inline? |
| 15:38.03 | PerfDave | hobophobe: If you're running i386 debian (as opposed to amd64 debian) then you can run a -386, -686, -k7 or -k8 kernel-image |
| 15:38.14 | hobophobe | ah okay |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | hobophobe: reinstall |
| 15:38.22 | dazjorz | PerfDave: So probably I'd have to modify the program for using if-pre-up, and i'm a lazy person |
| 15:38.23 | Arafangion | abrotman: You should ask the various maintainers to always have the bots online, but to only respond if their name is in the /topic |
| 15:38.23 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: just the final line that doesnt work |
| 15:38.43 | abrotman | Arafangion: uh .. problem is that not all the bots are in sync with factoids |
| 15:38.43 | PerfDave | hobophobe: If you run a -k8 kernel image on i386 debian, you don't need to do anything else. If you want to run a pure 64-bit system, you'll need to reinstall |
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| 15:38.55 | abrotman | ~info kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 15:39.07 | zebalin4 | abrotman: beep |
| 15:39.11 | abrotman | BEEEEEEEEEEEEP |
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| 15:40.02 | zebalin4 | I want to buy new HP print-scan-copy machine today. Anyone have a new or recent model they recommend for Etch? (I'm partial to HP). |
| 15:40.05 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Have you tried it without all those redirections? |
| 15:40.14 | abrotman | zebalin4: check the sane website |
| 15:40.16 | hobophobe | I'll probably wait until etch for the reinstall :o) But moving to K8 sounds promising. (no pun that I'm doing it to try to get this dang promise chip to work) |
| 15:40.25 | zinx | abrotman: ehm |
| 15:40.27 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: And, tried replacing the $* with hardwired, explicit equivalents, for testing purposes? |
| 15:40.29 | zebalin4 | abrotman: not always up to date with newer models. |
| 15:40.32 | zinx | abrotman: i'm not sure that's in i386 |
| 15:40.40 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: just did. also tried with chroot . sh -c init |
| 15:40.44 | zinx | abrotman: i know the k8 kernels are packaged for amd64.. i'm running the amd64 port |
| 15:40.53 | abrotman | zinx: i386[list of files] 12946.545492 .. at the bottom ? |
| 15:41.02 | abrotman | zebalin4: oh .. |
| 15:41.04 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: actually im not familiar with the $* strings |
| 15:41.04 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: You may have to use /bin/sh or the like. |
| 15:41.04 | zinx | abrotman: ahh, ok, ignore me |
| 15:41.10 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Nor am I :) |
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| 15:41.29 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: but I tried removing them, still the same error |
| 15:41.31 | CAiRO | hi |
| 15:41.33 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: The Advanced Bash Guide on tldp is an excellent resource, though (Can't be bothered to look that up myself) |
| 15:41.47 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: chroot needs to know where the root is, and what command to call. |
| 15:42.02 | zebalin4 | I figure someone here has bought a new print/scan/copy HP machine recently? |
| 15:42.09 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: So, try: exec chroot . /bin/sh |
| 15:42.29 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: i need it to call init |
| 15:42.33 | abrotman | zebalin4: i don't own a copier or printer or scanner .. can i help pick it ? |
| 15:42.54 | zebalin4 | abrotman: sure. I'll buy you one too!! |
| 15:42.56 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: maybe chroot is looking on initrd insted of the rootfs? |
| 15:42.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:43.25 | zebalin4 | These are cheap these days. I want to stay under $175 USD. |
| 15:43.33 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: You can replace init with sh. |
| 15:43.43 | nxtw | I bought a Samsung laser printer/scanner/copier for $100 |
| 15:43.45 | nxtw | it has linux drivers |
| 15:43.53 | nxtw | but i haven't actually taken the time to use it in Linux |
| 15:43.53 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: For sure, it won't do anything init does, but you will have sh, which should be sufficient to test the script; |
| 15:44.15 | nxtw | the linux drivers are rpm-based distro centric. |
| 15:44.16 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: i just tried exec chroot . sh -c /sbin/init |
| 15:44.23 | Arafangion | nxtw: Personally, I'd instlal all the cups stuff, and find a compatible driver. |
| 15:44.57 | nxtw | Arafangion: i know for sure that they have their own binary scanner driver |
| 15:45.06 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: There is a reason why I used /bin/sh instead of just 'sh' |
| 15:45.15 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: I try to run the script from a live cd, it gives the error and almost no commands work anymore because of the root change |
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| 15:45.48 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: You also need to confirm that hte pivot itself worked correctly. |
| 15:46.09 | abrotman | ok .. who's into psychiatry ? |
| 15:46.10 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: if I run chroot . sh -c /sbin/init, it gives 2 messages: chroot: no such file or directory and then chroot: success |
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| 15:46.32 | Arafangion | freegan-bh: Again, there is a reason why I said to use /bin/sh rather than just sh |
| 15:46.50 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: right. but isnt the success for the sh -c ? |
| 15:46.52 | nxtw | what happened to figlet? |
| 15:47.07 | dazjorz | gonna try this out now |
| 15:47.07 | dazjorz | cya |
| 15:47.11 | nxtw | it doesn't seem to be in Etch.. |
| 15:47.30 | abrotman | figlet was ... ? |
| 15:47.40 | nxtw | a program that made ascii art out of text |
| 15:47.42 | azeem | something slightly less offensive than banner |
| 15:48.00 | nxtw | http://www.figlet.org/ |
| 15:48.09 | abrotman | aalib ? |
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| 15:48.11 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 15:48.13 | Arafangion | Man, tasksel'ing desktop environment installs ALOT of crap from KDE. |
| 15:48.14 | nxtw | i could use cowsay. |
| 15:48.17 | azeem | heh, it's in non-free |
| 15:48.19 | abrotman | aptitude: yay! |
| 15:48.19 | azeem | nxtw: ^^ |
| 15:48.19 | aptitude | yay! |
| 15:48.23 | abrotman | stew: thank you |
| 15:48.33 | freegan-bh | Arafangion: all the procedures and scripts im using i got from tldp |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | &hi |
| 15:48.38 | aptitude | hello, abrotman |
| 15:48.49 | stew | i'm going to actually move her to a dedicated host today so that she'll actually stay here |
| 15:49.01 | abrotman | stew: dpkg isn't dead .. just .. can't find things |
| 15:49.06 | abrotman | !info xfe sarge |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | &info xfe sarge |
| 15:49.17 | azeem | the race beings |
| 15:49.20 | stew | hmm |
| 15:49.21 | azeem | eh, begins |
| 15:49.21 | abrotman | gah .. aptitude is blroken too! |
| 15:49.24 | stew | ! 17! >abrotman< FIXME: files/debian/Packages-sarge-main-i386.gz does not exist? |
| 15:49.35 | abrotman | ~shoot the other bots |
| 15:49.43 | apt | ACTION shoots the other bots in the head with a phase pistol! |
| 15:49.43 | nxtw | do not all mirrors carry non-free? |
| 15:49.53 | Arafangion | nxtw: Of course not. |
| 15:50.01 | abrotman | nxtw: they dont' have to |
| 15:50.45 | Arafangion | nxtw: "non-free" also implies that for practical, legal, or philosophical reasons, at least one mirror will not host it. |
| 15:50.53 | stew | i have no idea what sources.list blootbot users |
| 15:51.26 | abrotman | stew: don mentioned something about debian.usc.edu or something |
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| 15:51.51 | Kragnerac | Hello, Does anybody know where a log file is on my system to track what apt-get has updated? |
| 15:52.00 | abrotman | Kragnerac: which version of debian |
| 15:52.11 | Kragnerac | sarge. |
| 15:52.17 | abrotman | there is no log in sarge |
| 15:52.31 | freegan-bh | abrotman cant you help on this chroot problem? |
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| 15:52.34 | hobophobe | what is meant by 'transition' in a 'transition package?' |
| 15:52.57 | abrotman | it means its been replaced |
| 15:53.01 | abrotman | it's |
| 15:53.15 | hobophobe | ah, will it show what replaced it in recommends or such? |
| 15:53.26 | PerfDave | Or being replaced. |
| 15:54.02 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Depends, typically |
| 15:54.16 | abrotman | freegan-bh: i've only seen that one error |
| 15:54.28 | zebalin4 | nxtw: thanks. I've had good luck with HP for over 20 years so I stick with that brand (I also have the stock) |
| 15:54.30 | Wyzard | hobophobe: A transition package generally doesn't contain any files, but depends on the new packages that replace it |
| 15:54.45 | abrotman | zebalin4: you're old |
| 15:54.49 | Wyzard | hobophobe: so that if you had the old package installed, upgrading will cause the new replacement package to be installed |
| 15:54.54 | nxtw | 20 years |
| 15:54.54 | freegan-bh | abrotman: which one? |
| 15:54.54 | nxtw | hah. |
| 15:55.00 | zebalin4 | abrotman: very old... almost 60... which is almost dead. |
| 15:55.00 | hobophobe | Oh, okay, cool |
| 15:55.00 | abrotman | freegan-bh: chroot command not found |
| 15:55.06 | abrotman | file or directory not found .. whatever |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | zebalin4: you're almost as old as my parents ;) |
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| 15:55.26 | hobophobe | Just trying to make sense of which kernel and whether to download the deb manually or use apt |
| 15:55.31 | Arafangion | hobophobe: Use apt. |
| 15:55.38 | Arafangion | hobophobe: Always use apt if you can :) |
| 15:55.38 | freegan-bh | abrotman: and how i fix it? |
| 15:55.40 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I've alwasy thought of you as a son. |
| 15:55.44 | abrotman | use apt-get or aptitude |
| 15:55.46 | abrotman | zebalin4: hehe |
| 15:55.53 | abrotman | freegan-bh: make sure the file or directory is there |
| 15:55.59 | zebalin4 | (the evil son) |
| 15:56.14 | zebalin4 | :-) |
| 15:56.15 | hobophobe | Arafangion, the k8 doesn't get listed in apt, only at packages.debian.org :o/ |
| 15:56.16 | freegan-bh | freegan-bh: on initrd or the disk it is chrooting to? |
| 15:56.39 | Wyzard | hobophobe: K8 as in AMD64? |
| 15:56.42 | hobophobe | Yes |
| 15:56.49 | Arafangion | Hmm, my mouse pointer is VERY slow - possible reasons? (Freshly installed debian sarge) |
| 15:57.05 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Do you see kernel packages for K7, i686, etc.? |
| 15:57.19 | hobophobe | Yes, they are transitional |
| 15:57.37 | zebalin4 | Which command shows me IF a package is installed and the version? apt-cache show or search? |
| 15:57.44 | zebalin4 | !apt |
| 15:57.44 | dpkg | i heard apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 15:57.46 | PerfDave | hobophobe: What's the name of the packages you're seeing? Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:57.47 | Wyzard | hobophobe: It sounds to me like you're running the i386 (32-bit) port of Debian, not the AMD64 port |
| 15:57.49 | PerfDave | zebalin4: dpkg -l |
| 15:57.58 | Wyzard | hobophobe: You won't see 64-bit kernel packages in 32-bit Debian |
| 15:58.03 | zebalin4 | PerfDave: ok, thanks. |
| 15:58.10 | PerfDave | Wyzard: i386 Debian has -k8 kernels, which are 32-bit but with amd64 optimisations. |
| 15:58.17 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 15:58.33 | abrotman | zebalin4: dpkg -l <package> |
| 15:58.42 | Wyzard | but I'm running 32-bit sid and I don't see any -k8 packages |
| 15:58.51 | abrotman | nope .. gone |
| 15:58.58 | azeem | probably there wasn't any gain |
| 15:59.05 | azeem | Wyzard: use the -k7 ones |
| 15:59.22 | Wyzard | oh, I see... the old kernel-image packages had -k8 builds, but there are none of those newer than 2.6.8 |
| 15:59.28 | Wyzard | There are no linux-image-*-k8 packages |
| 15:59.38 | abrotman | nope .. gone |
| 15:59.44 | zebalin4 | abrotman: got it. thanks. |
| 15:59.49 | hobophobe | Hmm I just ran an update with security as a repo and they showed up, guess I should leave security as a repository |
| 15:59.49 | abrotman | zebalin4: have a nice day |
| 15:59.51 | Arafangion | How do I stop the console beep? |
| 15:59.51 | PerfDave | Wyzard: This is why I asked hobophobe what branch he was running ;) |
| 15:59.55 | Wyzard | hobophobe: On your 32-bit Debian installation, you could install a -k7 kernel or you could install the kernel-source package and build a custom kernel |
| 16:00.01 | abrotman | Arafangion: zebalin4 knows all about beep |
| 16:00.11 | hobophobe | I'm running sid, 2.6.8-2-i386 kernel right now |
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| 16:00.14 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: I used to be the worlds expert on beep. |
| 16:00.15 | PerfDave | hobophobe: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ? |
| 16:00.16 | Wyzard | hobophobe: but if you want to run 64-bit software, you need to actually install 64-bit Debian -- a kernel upgrade alone isn't enough |
| 16:00.27 | zebalin4 | I passed all my knowledge off to abrotman |
| 16:00.44 | abrotman | yeah right |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | !bell |
| 16:00.53 | dpkg | [bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 16:01.10 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I just want to turn the damn beep off so that I don't annoy my sleeping flatmates! :) |
| 16:01.10 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 16:01.11 | hobophobe | Wyzard, I don't want to run it yet, I'll reinstall later for that. I just want to get a newer kernel in the hopes that it will have a patch for a problem with a kernel module not recognizing my new hard drives via an onboard SATA/RAID controller |
| 16:01.20 | stew | aptitude: find bin/xeyes |
| 16:01.24 | aptitude | Debian Search of 'bin/xeyes' (1): (/usr/bin/xeyes) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 16:01.29 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:01.32 | abrotman | !find xfe sarge |
| 16:01.33 | Wyzard | hobophobe: OK, so you just need a newer kernel version and aren't looking specifically for K8 optimization |
| 16:01.37 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Install -k7 |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | &find xfe sarge |
| 16:01.43 | abrotman | maybe if i use the right damn bot |
| 16:01.50 | stew | its working |
| 16:01.54 | abrotman | i see that |
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| 16:02.01 | RichiH | heh |
| 16:02.08 | aptitude | Debian Search of 'xfe' (7 of 33): (/usr/sbin/nsd-xfer) in net/nsd ;; (/usr/sbin/named-xfer) in net/bind ;; (/usr/sbin/xferstats) in net/wu-ftpd ;; (/usr/bin/twoftpd-xfer) in net/twoftpd ;; (/usr/bin/gsmsiexfer) in comm/gsm-utils ;; (/usr/bin/irxfer) in comm/openobex-apps ;; (/usr/lib/sfs-0.8pre/xfer) in net/sfs-common. |
| 16:02.18 | abrotman | well .. i meant info .. but close enough |
| 16:02.18 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: there may be a way in KDE to do so or try the xset command as noted above. |
| 16:02.25 | abrotman | &info xfe sarge |
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| 16:02.34 | abrotman | wtf! |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | aptitude: wtf does this look like? http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xfe |
| 16:02.59 | aptitude | no binary found. |
| 16:03.05 | Arafangion | zebalin4: KDE won't help the console beeps. |
| 16:03.12 | RichiH | all those bots should have a staged fail-over so we can always get a result with ! |
| 16:03.17 | hobophobe | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3557 |
| 16:03.19 | RichiH | !test |
| 16:03.19 | Arafangion | zebalin4: And I'm having trouble with X11 at the moment, anyway. |
| 16:03.19 | dpkg | Sorry, richih, I didn't get your test. |
| 16:03.29 | abrotman | RichiH: i'd settle for one that works |
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| 16:03.45 | RichiH | abrotman: what is wrong with dpkg, anyway? |
| 16:03.45 | RichiH | seems to work |
| 16:03.55 | Arafangion | RichiH: No it doesn't. Read above. |
| 16:04.03 | hobophobe | PerfDave, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3557 are my sources.list |
| 16:04.05 | abrotman | !info xfe sarge |
| 16:04.13 | abrotman | xfe is in sarge! |
| 16:04.15 | h00t | hey... can someone tell me how can i permanently change file association from Rythmbox to XMMS |
| 16:04.17 | azeem | !+info xfe sarge |
| 16:04.19 | dpkg | Package 'xfe' does not exist. |
| 16:04.24 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xfe |
| 16:04.26 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: sorry, but I'm not good with hardware and the console beep has something to do with hardware settings... maybe in BiOS? |
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| 16:04.33 | azeem | !+find xfe sarge |
| 16:04.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:04.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xfe' returned no results. |
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| 16:04.43 | abrotman | it's not in etch .. but it is in sarge and sid |
| 16:05.15 | Arafangion | zebalin4: If it were a non-laptop system, I'd just bust the internal speaker :( |
| 16:05.24 | Wyzard | abrotman: Looks like it had some RC bugs recently... it probably got removed because of those |
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| 16:05.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: packages.d.o shows them as being in sarge/sid |
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| 16:05.54 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: :-) |
| 16:05.57 | jetscreamer | jsut install the sid version |
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| 16:06.03 | hobophobe | Okay, to review I need to: 1. install new kernel, 2. reboot, 3. update grub to remove old kernel, 4. uninstall old kernel ? |
| 16:06.07 | jetscreamer | son, you use xfe just like dad? |
| 16:06.09 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 16:06.14 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Programmers make for poor sysadmins, anyway :) |
| 16:06.44 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge xfe libfox* |
| 16:06.46 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: I'm a programmer. If hardware doesn't work... it's broken. Extent of my hw knowledge!! |
| 16:06.47 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Unless you've extensively customized your grub configuration and gotten rid of the update-grub stuff, installing and removing the kernel packages should take care of updating the grub menu automatically |
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| 16:06.50 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 16:06.54 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: One really should not mix distributions. |
| 16:06.56 | stew | aptitude: info xfe sarge |
| 16:06.57 | hobophobe | Oh, okay |
| 16:06.58 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Install new kernel, reboot with new kernel to make sure it works, uninstall old kernel |
| 16:07.01 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: buy a new part. |
| 16:07.07 | hobophobe | Good deal |
| 16:07.10 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Me too :) |
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| 16:07.21 | Arafangion | zebalin4: What do you primarily develop in? |
| 16:07.40 | jetscreamer | Arafangion: most ppl shouldn't, true. |
| 16:07.46 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: php. See http://www.jaya123.com. I wrote most of it.. not all. |
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| 16:08.09 | MidgetKiller | question. I have a tyan board with the broadcom 57xx NIC controller on it. Up until a week ago it was working fine, but now Debian can't detect my nic's. I have swapped out hdd's and installed windows and it finds the nics without any probems. But when I try to use the existing debian, or install a new debian, neither can find my NIC. |
| 16:08.19 | Arafangion | zebalin4: The extent of my website development skills are at www.fussycoder.id.au, and http://youngengineers.com.au/can/ |
| 16:08.21 | aarkerio | Hi ! someby knows a good AJAX framework? |
| 16:08.26 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Needless to say, very basic :) |
| 16:08.34 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I'm more of a applications programmer. |
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| 16:08.45 | PerfDave | hobophobe: You don't want that security line in there if you're using sid, it will do you no good. |
| 16:09.16 | Arafangion | aarkerio: I haven't used it, but Rails is apparently a decent one. |
| 16:09.16 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: I've done a lot of work in asp.net with c#... where the money is around here. But I like the j2ee and php side better. Not as bloated. |
| 16:09.21 | jetscreamer | there is no security in sid :) |
| 16:09.24 | hobophobe | Okay, but unless they just added all those kernel images, they weren't there until I added security and re-updated? |
| 16:09.25 | Wyzard | PerfDave: I usually leave the security line in even though I run sid... no harm in having it there, and you never know when there'll be a security update to some package that hasn't had a new version in a long time |
| 16:09.29 | jetscreamer | !pal security in sid |
| 16:09.35 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I can't stand ASP.NET, especially in VS 2003 |
| 16:09.47 | abrotman | aarkerio: ask #web |
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| 16:09.58 | abrotman | gah! ... more pick! |
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| 16:10.13 | aarkerio | thanks ! |
| 16:10.22 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: M$ did a good job with .net . Easy for a vb or c++ app. programmer to transition to a server-side environ. |
| 16:10.28 | pickcoder | it's a server upgrade weekend. <sarcasm>yippy!</sarcasm> |
| 16:10.31 | Arafangion | zebalin4: In my mind, people only need php and cgi's - php for templating, and cgi's (and their various optimizations, such as fcgi) for actual programs. |
| 16:10.43 | PerfDave | Wyzard: If you tried installing a Sarge -k8 kernel-image, as hobophobe was going to do, on a sid system, I expect that it would break horribly. So perhaps there is harm in doing so. |
| 16:10.47 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Yes, but a royal PITA to debug. |
| 16:10.56 | nxtw | php is crap. |
| 16:10.57 | abrotman | why would it break ? |
| 16:11.07 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Especially for obscure bugs, possibly caused by corruption in a visual studio project file. |
| 16:11.08 | abrotman | php is better than many alternatives |
| 16:11.17 | nxtw | like what? ssi? |
| 16:11.17 | PerfDave | abrotman: Because of dependencies with libc, udev etc. which are wildly different between Sarge and Sid |
| 16:11.18 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: the .net debugger is pretty good I find. Problem with asp.net is that it is buggy. |
| 16:11.28 | PerfDave | PHP is a horrible pile |
| 16:11.33 | Arafangion | zebalin4: And VS itself is unbelievably buggy. |
| 16:11.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: difference between won't install and break |
| 16:11.38 | nxtw | I'd learn Perl and use one of those frameworks before using PHP again |
| 16:11.40 | abrotman | nxtw: pike ? |
| 16:11.40 | wombachi | I got no video output for a DVD with mplayer with Xv mode (only with X shm too slow). What could be the cause? xdpyinfo|grep XV shows "XVideo". |
| 16:11.47 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: have you tried the new VS? I'm not. |
| 16:11.50 | pickcoder | C and ENV is the best |
| 16:11.52 | zebalin4 | I've not |
| 16:11.57 | nxtw | I like VS2005. |
| 16:11.58 | PerfDave | abrotman: If it did install, it'd probably break :) |
| 16:12.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:12.06 | Arafangion | zebalin4: It's heaps, heaps better, but it's still nowhere near as good as any other alternative, imho. |
| 16:12.10 | PerfDave | hobophobe: Yes, I don't know why sid doesn't carry -k8 linux-image packages. |
| 16:12.16 | nxtw | it only freezes while compiling on average of once a day. |
| 16:12.16 | Wyzard | Eclipse is nicer than VS.NET |
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| 16:12.24 | Wyzard | for its preferred language (Java) at least |
| 16:12.25 | nxtw | (a 6-project web app) |
| 16:12.25 | abrotman | PerfDave: we could ask the debian-kernel guys! |
| 16:12.31 | PerfDave | vim is nicer then Eclipse |
| 16:12.38 | grigora | does anyone know which package provides helix-dbus-server? thanks |
| 16:12.43 | hobophobe | okay, well I'll go with the k7 transitional. It's sufficiently later version that if a new kernel will fix my woes it will. |
| 16:12.45 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: I wrote 200,000 lines of PHP in nedit... so it's all about what you are most comfortable using. No right/wrong answer. |
| 16:12.47 | abrotman | !tell grigora about search |
| 16:12.51 | eleftherios | hm, I have an HP1320 laser printer, what do I need to apt-get to get this thing working? |
| 16:13.00 | abrotman | i have one of those at work |
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| 16:13.07 | Arafangion | zebalin4: 200k lines? Wow, how'd you get so many lines? :) |
| 16:13.07 | Wyzard | hobophobe: You want to look at linux-image packages, not kernel-image |
| 16:13.18 | Arafangion | zebalin4: (They must be short!) |
| 16:13.35 | Wyzard | hobophobe: The naming scheme was changed and that's why the kernel-image packages are transitional now |
| 16:13.44 | Arafangion | zebalin4: If you look at my websites, you'll see that I value simplicity above everything. |
| 16:13.49 | pickcoder | eleftherios: be a little more specific. 'get it working' is rather vague |
| 16:13.49 | hobophobe | ah |
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| 16:14.06 | wombachi | eleftherios nothing I guess (laser printer understand postscript). check linuxprinting.org to be sure |
| 16:14.08 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: it's a large system... order entry, inventory, billing, reporting etc. try the demo on www.jaya123.com |
| 16:14.14 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Unfortunately, the price I pay for the simplicity is that even though the <insert project here> is complete and works, people complain that it's "boring". |
| 16:14.17 | eleftherios | pickcoder, to get it to print |
| 16:14.23 | eleftherios | wombachi, I'll do that |
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| 16:14.31 | eleftherios | pickcoder, wombachi thank you |
| 16:14.50 | pickcoder | eleftherios: just install CUPs or LPRng and set it up in Xwindows |
| 16:15.04 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: Jaya123 is very boring... but it is designed as a web-service used by people to run their biz... they want speed and stability. Can't have that with tons of javascript, or asp.net, etc. |
| 16:15.05 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Look it up on linuxprinting.org... but I have its predecessor, the 1300, so I can tell you that it does support PostScript and you can configure CUPS to print to it that way |
| 16:15.07 | wombachi | eleftherios I use cups as printing service |
| 16:15.08 | grigora | abrotman: unfortunately I can't find it using any of the methods |
| 16:15.23 | eleftherios | so all I need is CUPS |
| 16:15.32 | abrotman | grigora: file name again ? |
| 16:15.40 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Or you can install hplip and get support for querying printer status and other stuff like that |
| 16:15.58 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I've got 2 or 3k lines for a business application |
| 16:16.10 | zebalin4 | eleftherios: go to linuxprinting.org and see what driver it uses. My bet is that you already have it installed. What are your running? Etch? Sid? KDE? |
| 16:16.10 | grigora | abrotman: I am trying to build banshee from source and am getting an error saying I am missing helix-dbus-server |
| 16:16.12 | abrotman | pick coder! |
| 16:16.22 | Arafangion | zebalin4: And it's "mostly" working (Still got a few "nice" features to complete) |
| 16:16.24 | h00t | hey... can someone tell me how can i permanently change file association from Rythmbox to XMMS |
| 16:16.25 | stew | &dstats |
| 16:16.25 | pickcoder | yessir? |
| 16:16.28 | aptitude | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 18883 packages, 1713 maintainers, 43997 MB installed size, 14428 MB compressed size. |
| 16:16.31 | stew | i don't get it |
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| 16:16.37 | rambo3 | !info splashy |
| 16:16.37 | eleftherios | zebalin4, I am running Etch |
| 16:16.42 | Wyzard | eleftherios: If you want to use it as a PostScript printer, you should install linuxprinting.org-ppds, which will populate CUPS's list of printer types with a whole bunch of models, including that one |
| 16:16.43 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I just can't imagine 200K lines for a database app :) |
| 16:16.44 | abrotman | grigora: i don't see it either |
| 16:16.44 | dpkg | splashy: (A complete user-space boot splash system), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.1.8.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1512 kB, Installed size: 3328 kB |
| 16:16.55 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: there are some large php classes in Jaya to do the reports in PDF format. |
| 16:17.00 | eleftherios | I am installing hplip |
| 16:17.20 | eleftherios | Wyzard, linuxprinting.org-ppds? I'll apt-cache search |
| 16:17.28 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Alternatively, install hplip and hpijs-ppds, and use the printer types that hpijs-ppds adds to CUPS |
| 16:17.29 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I must admit, I have yet to do reporting - my plan for now is to do reports in RTF format. |
| 16:17.33 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: 200K lines is not big by client-side standards. |
| 16:18.01 | pickcoder | eleftherios: the PPDs will definately help with postscript options, provided there is one for your printer. <G> |
| 16:18.02 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Probably depends on the tools and languages and the like you use. |
| 16:18.15 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: also the templating method we use has a lot of code in it. |
| 16:18.18 | Wyzard | eleftherios: I believe both linuxprinting.org-ppds and hpijs-ppds provide PPDs for that printer, but the former will use PostScript and the latter will use PCL via hplip/hpijs |
| 16:18.24 | eleftherios | hm, so many options... |
| 16:18.24 | Arafangion | zebalin4: ALL of my code is hand-written, by me (Though, if I were to do it again, I'd investigate some more code automation) |
| 16:18.40 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Code automation and the like probably increase the lines of code count. |
| 16:18.50 | eleftherios | Wyzard, postscript is preferable eh? |
| 16:18.51 | pickcoder | Gah.. PCL is for people with CL1 brain cells |
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| 16:18.55 | hobophobe | I hate hand-writing code. So much easier to type it in. |
| 16:19.01 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: we incorporated fpdf.org into Jaya. Legal to do so. Large set of classes to do reporting. |
| 16:19.13 | hobophobe | At school we do our tests on pen and paper, it annoys me to no end. |
| 16:19.13 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I wanted people to be able to modify reports. |
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| 16:19.31 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: we also incorporated adodb abstraction layer into the system ... also legal and a huge code base. |
| 16:19.35 | Wyzard | eleftherios: It's up to you... technically, PCL is preferable since that's HP's own language and the printer uses HP's own PCL implementation |
| 16:19.48 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I wrote my own - existing solutions for python were quite problematic. |
| 16:19.49 | Wyzard | eleftherios: The PostScript implementation is not an official Adobe one, though in my experience it works fine |
| 16:19.52 | hobophobe | Okay, here goes nothing... geronimo and all that jazz. |
| 16:19.55 | Arafangion | zebalin4: 300 lines of code there. |
| 16:20.07 | Arafangion | zebalin4: (Which I might consider opensourcing) |
| 16:20.18 | Arafangion | zebalin4: It's trivial, yet simple. |
| 16:20.23 | Arafangion | zebalin4: And works well :) |
| 16:20.41 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Though, it will NOT do complex sql, imho, those should be done at the DB. |
| 16:20.41 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I see. Thank you for all the useful info :-) |
| 16:20.48 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: when we re-do Jaya123 we will opensource the old system. |
| 16:21.03 | pickcoder | elftherios: If your printer accepts PS level 2 then use it, since most of the printing tools output PostScript by default |
| 16:21.11 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: but it's so complex that I doubt anyone would want it!! |
| 16:21.13 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Why? |
| 16:21.40 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: code is not well written... a bitch to figure out. |
| 16:21.51 | Arafangion | zebalin4: No, why do you want to opensource the old version? |
| 16:21.56 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I like your interface. |
| 16:22.06 | abrotman | wtf is jaya123 |
| 16:22.18 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Not as good as mine, imho - but you're working from a website, while mine is a desktop application. |
| 16:22.21 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: we will do a new version in rails... or maybe laszlo. |
| 16:22.25 | Arafangion | zebalin4: And they serve different markets :) |
| 16:22.33 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I've heard good thigns about rails :) |
| 16:22.33 | eleftherios | pickcoder, thank you :-) |
| 16:22.38 | abrotman | zebalin4: mason! |
| 16:23.08 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: not sure yet. Jaya has not been the commercial success we had hoped for. It makes a small profit but small biz are still afraid of server-side apps. |
| 16:23.19 | pickcoder | OT: anyone extremely familiar with hylafax and recent releases? |
| 16:23.20 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: hard to compete against quikbooks. |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. not mason |
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| 16:23.42 | abrotman | pickcoder: i have a hylafax server at work using sarge packages |
| 16:23.52 | zebalin4 | abrotman: mason is popular. I like smarty better as a framework... but we don't use it in jaya. |
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| 16:24.13 | pickcoder | OT: does the latest release fix issues with various fax machine brands not answering the MPS request? |
| 16:24.27 | abrotman | nfc .. the docs on hylafax are lacking and suck :) |
| 16:24.36 | pickcoder | OT: We have a few major vendors that we have issues faxing to |
| 16:24.42 | pickcoder | Gah.. |
| 16:24.46 | abrotman | with winmodems ? |
| 16:24.55 | blondie | fax.... that's that 80s thing right? :O |
| 16:24.57 | pickcoder | nice MultiTechs |
| 16:25.01 | pickcoder | only the best! |
| 16:25.04 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:25.05 | abrotman | blondie: hylafax is a pain ... |
| 16:25.06 | Arafangion | zebalin4: One possible flaw of your solution is that your data is _very_ fixed, and doesn't look easily changed. |
| 16:25.07 | Tallu| | uhh this is so hard |
| 16:25.13 | blondie | abrotman: fax is a pain |
| 16:25.18 | blondie | I heard of these internets |
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| 16:25.20 | abrotman | if anyone ever wants ot make a name for themselves in OSS world .. write a better fax server |
| 16:25.35 | Tallu| | trying to decide on a laptop. a 1,5ghz version has a battery life of 5 hours.. whereas 200mhz more and i'll lose 1,5 hours in battery life |
| 16:25.35 | pickcoder | 90% of our comm is e-mail now, but some customers and vendors still don't even have Internet service |
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| 16:25.46 | abrotman | blondie: no .. fax isn't so bad .. fax servers are a great idea .. hylafax is a pain |
| 16:25.47 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: like I say, it is not the world's best-written system. But it is stable and users like it. |
| 16:26.02 | Arafangion | zebalin4: You should also investigate _why_ the businesses do not want a server-side app. |
| 16:26.19 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: when we did it 2/3 of our base was still on dial-up. Thus no graphics and very little javascript. |
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| 16:26.59 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: we know why... they are control freaks. they think their data is safer on thier dinky office networks than our bank-quality, locked down data center. |
| 16:27.03 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Perhaps you could bundle a server with the system, so that they can be sure that all their data is in company control, if it's information leakage they are concerned about. |
| 16:27.49 | abrotman | pickcoder: did you file a bug on the debian package(assuming oyu're using debian) |
| 16:28.07 | Arafangion | zebalin4: And then sell an off-site backup service as well, which uses your bank-quality (Not htat says much!) locked own data center. :) |
| 16:28.18 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Do you use jabber? I'm arafangion@jabber.org.au |
| 16:28.18 | pickcoder | abrotman: it's RH9 unfortunately |
| 16:28.19 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: we've been asked to sell the system to firms who want to run it on own servers but we'd have to incorporate the zend obfuscator and other stuff and we've not gotten around to it. |
| 16:28.23 | abrotman | pickcoder: you're fucked! |
| 16:28.36 | abrotman | pickcoder: have you tried them as debian boxes? |
| 16:28.37 | pickcoder | abrotman: and there's been complaints on MPS for the past couple years |
| 16:28.44 | pickcoder | abrotman: I think 4.3.0 fixes some of them |
| 16:28.46 | Arafangion | zebalin4: You're already considering opensourcing it - what's wrong with applying a rather restrictive license on the code? |
| 16:28.52 | pickcoder | abrotman: I guess I'll find out next week <G> |
| 16:28.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:29.03 | abrotman | pickcoder: you could ask the develpoers |
| 16:29.42 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: nothing wrong with a restrictive license... we just have not gotten around to discussing the entire concept. What we WANT to do is increase the user base and sell the whole thing off to Yahoo or Google, etc. |
| 16:29.45 | pickcoder | abrotman: Yeah, I could. Lee is normally on the mailing list. However, I have a full day of switching crap and running tests |
| 16:31.42 | MidgetKiller | question. I have a tyan board with the broadcom 57xx NIC controller on it. Up until a week ago it was working fine, but now Debian can't detect my nic's. I have swapped out hdd's and installed windows and it finds the nics without any probems. But when I try to use the existing debian, or install a new debian, neither can find my NIC. |
| 16:31.42 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: Google could use it as an advertising medium... give it away free like gmail. who knows. |
| 16:31.44 | Arafangion | zebalin4: The app is too complicated for google, and imho, not innovative enough. Google wants people to go "Wow, nice, simple, easy", and google does not care if it's really actualy _useful_. |
| 16:31.44 | abrotman | pickcoder: yay! |
| 16:31.44 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: Broadcom is evil. Your board is probably possessed now. <G> |
| 16:31.45 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Consider their "office suite", for instance. |
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| 16:31.57 | Arafangion | zebalin4: However... It does present oportunities for more data harvesting with respect to the information it could collect... |
| 16:31.58 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: and what changed ? |
| 16:32.26 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: seriously, though. I have had nothing but problems with B/C controllers so I just spend the $12/ea on a few D-Link 530TX |
| 16:32.38 | MidgetKiller | pickcoder, i just don't understand why it would suddenly just stop working like that. It had been working for months. Nothing had changed, it was just a web server. Only thing that was being done on it was apache, mysql, and ftp |
| 16:32.45 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 16:32.47 | abrotman | kernel upgrade? |
| 16:32.52 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: we've hired a marketing lady to re-do the website and be in charge of SEO and getting us traffic, publicity, etc. It will take awhile. |
| 16:33.01 | nxtw | the Linux kernel in Acronis True Image doesn't properly support my laptop's Broadcom networking... the tg3 driver loads but doesn't work properly |
| 16:33.02 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Cool :) |
| 16:33.12 | MidgetKiller | pickcoder, i wish it was that easy, but the board only has PCI-X slots, not PCI, so a nic card is like $300 |
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| 16:33.24 | nxtw | PCI-X or PCI-E? |
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| 16:33.24 | MidgetKiller | abrotman, i'm running kernel 2.6.16 on the server |
| 16:33.29 | MidgetKiller | both |
| 16:33.30 | Arafangion | zebalin4: My plan is to write my app, make a business, then figure out strategies to sell it :) |
| 16:33.34 | MidgetKiller | PCI-E and PCI-X |
| 16:33.36 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: you can plug a 32-bit card into a 64-bit PCI-X slot |
| 16:33.39 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: now that I'm semi-retired from the contract programming wars I have more time to devote to Jaya. |
| 16:33.44 | MidgetKiller | i can? |
| 16:33.45 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: You just will be wasting a nice slot |
| 16:33.46 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: look in /var/log/dpkg.log .. look for something interesting that got installed |
| 16:33.48 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I have identified a need in a particular industry, though imho, it should work. |
| 16:33.48 | pickcoder | <H> |
| 16:33.49 | Danamania | I'm a debian PPC user mostly, but I have a friend who's looking for info on what x86 hardware would be the best for using with linux (debian specifically) - what's a good place to start looking for info about linux compatibility in the way of motherboards/chipsets etc? |
| 16:33.52 | pickcoder | s/H/G |
| 16:33.53 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: do it in reverse. |
| 16:34.05 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: I do it all the time |
| 16:34.09 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I'm a uni student. :) |
| 16:34.11 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: figure the strat. make a biz, and write the apps. |
| 16:34.17 | MidgetKiller | i'll check that out pickcoder |
| 16:34.18 | MidgetKiller | thanks |
| 16:34.31 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Doing it my way allows me to write the app, while doing uni, then make the business. |
| 16:34.35 | ktwilight | any idea where debian stores svn/svk? |
| 16:34.38 | abrotman | Danamania: most stuff works .. if he can narrow it down .. it'd be a great help .. like "Will the Intel 2200 work with debian?" |
| 16:34.42 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: maybe I should hire YOU to take over jaya123!!! |
| 16:35.12 | abrotman | it's a PoS system ? |
| 16:35.19 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:35.36 | Arafangion | abrotman: More of a business management system. |
| 16:35.46 | Danamania | abrotman: thanks - I'll get him in here to ask while he's looking at gear. |
| 16:36.07 | MidgetKiller | abrotman, i don't have access to the server right now, but what would that log show me? |
| 16:36.08 | abrotman | Danamania: good plan .. and he should do a little home work himself |
| 16:36.14 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Heh, I'd get paid, but you said that teh code is terrible! :) |
| 16:36.16 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: what packages have been installed |
| 16:36.23 | MidgetKiller | ok |
| 16:36.31 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: like this |
| 16:36.32 | eleftherios | I am trying to add the printer (it is connected via USB) but it desent get detected as lsusb shows |
| 16:36.45 | eleftherios | doesn't* |
| 16:36.49 | abrotman | 2006-08-25 20:28:48 status half-configured libglew-dev 1.3.4-3 |
| 16:36.49 | abrotman | 2006-08-25 20:28:48 status installed libglew-dev 1.3.4-3 |
| 16:36.51 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: code is a mess in some of the modules. Would not be a 'fun' job. This is why we will re-write it... and maybe do it 'right |
| 16:36.55 | zebalin4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.00 | zebalin4 | this time. |
| 16:37.07 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I've rewritten my app 4 times. |
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| 16:37.24 | MidgetKiller | i see, so if any packages have been installed around the time the nic's failed, i could remove them and possibly work again? |
| 16:37.25 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: measure twice, cut once. |
| 16:37.28 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Each time, thanks to a better design, it got slightly smaller and better. |
| 16:37.35 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: or come back and ask us about it :) |
| 16:37.40 | enouf | MidgetKiller : see if zeroconf pkg got installed - if it did, uninstall it - what does ifconfig -a say, and also do an update-pciids |
| 16:37.40 | Arafangion | zebalin4: A key point with my app was the interface, I had to know what works and doesn't work. |
| 16:37.43 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: since it might be the kernel |
| 16:38.10 | MidgetKiller | well the message i'm getting is that the hardware cannot be found |
| 16:38.14 | MidgetKiller | essentially |
| 16:38.21 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: we limited jaya to 100% html for speed and compatibility. Jaya is 3 years old already. |
| 16:38.27 | enouf | MidgetKiller : from which utility ? |
| 16:38.27 | Arafangion | zebalin4: And by "rewrite", I don't mean that the entire app was replaced, I meant that parts were rewritten, until essentially the whole app has been rewritten. |
| 16:38.45 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: might be a firmware thing |
| 16:38.47 | Arafangion | zebalin4: You need more features. |
| 16:38.58 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: true |
| 16:39.01 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: you didn't by chance update the BIOS? |
| 16:39.42 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I don't see why you need to use javascript and other technologies, I'd get the html done, then possibly improve the interface later, though, javascript could be useful for client-side checking of various inputs. |
| 16:39.42 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: I got a Tyan board the other day that refused to boot from ANY device. Turned on "USB Legacy Mode" and it booted. O_o |
| 16:39.43 | abrotman | so .. people really still do pick programming ? |
| 16:39.45 | eleftherios | oh, it was a cable problem, works now |
| 16:39.50 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yes. |
| 16:39.55 | abrotman | liars! |
| 16:39.57 | pickcoder | abrotman: yes. many thousands around the world |
| 16:39.57 | enouf | MidgetKiller : so you upgraded the kernel recently from 2.6.x to 2.6.16? and that's when it broke? |
| 16:40.03 | abrotman | pickcoder: oyu lie! |
| 16:40.16 | pickcoder | abrotman: check out my community portal: www.picksource.com |
| 16:40.19 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: you never use javascript for editing. A 3rd grader can hack that. |
| 16:40.22 | pickcoder | abrotman: 3200+ members |
| 16:40.23 | abrotman | zebalin4: it's $15/month?! |
| 16:40.28 | abrotman | pickcoder: i've seen it |
| 16:40.33 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Irrelevant. |
| 16:40.42 | Arafangion | zebalin4: You'd still check it at the server. |
| 16:40.45 | zebalin4 | abrotman: yes (trying not to advertise on this board!) |
| 16:40.55 | MidgetKiller | i haven't changed any hardware or drivers since I got it up and working a few months ago |
| 16:40.57 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: so why do it twice? |
| 16:41.08 | abrotman | zebalin4: i didn't realize it was a hosted service |
| 16:41.21 | Arafangion | zebalin4: If you do it at hte client side, the client can be immediately notified of an invalid entry, rather than after the form has been submitted. |
| 16:41.25 | MidgetKiller | literally I was ftp'ing some stuff to it and it just started timing out |
| 16:41.27 | enouf | MidgetKiller : no apt-get update && apt-get upfrade ? |
| 16:41.32 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: either the chips croaked or something is messing with the PCI setup |
| 16:41.32 | MidgetKiller | nope |
| 16:41.33 | enouf | upgrade* |
| 16:41.41 | pickcoder | MidgetKiller: does lspci show the controllers? |
| 16:41.44 | zebalin4 | abrotman: yep. it's a web-service. |
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| 16:41.58 | abrotman | zebalin4: weird .. i thnik you forgot to advertize |
| 16:42.01 | abrotman | pickcoder: no . windows finds it |
| 16:42.04 | MidgetKiller | i don't know pickcoder, i don't have access to the server right now |
| 16:42.14 | enouf | MidgetKiller : back to installed apps - what about zeroconf? and what utiklity is reporting hardware not found ? |
| 16:42.17 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: will you have access later today ? |
| 16:42.18 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: true, but it's double the code for hardly any payback when you have broadband and fast servers. |
| 16:42.22 | DarkStorm2736 | Hi. I am having trouble with the nv_sata driver. I get spammed with "nv_sata: Secondary device added" messages although the drives work correctly. (nForce3 board) |
| 16:42.31 | MidgetKiller | i will later today abrotman |
| 16:42.36 | Arafangion | zebalin4: It's not double the code. |
| 16:42.39 | hobophobe | Awesome, wholly successful. Now I just need to replace my fglrx for the new kernel and figure out how to get the md RAID0 setup |
| 16:42.39 | DarkStorm2736 | Would upgrading the kernel (from 2.6.8) help? (I am using the current stable) |
| 16:42.45 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: come back then before we fill your head with crazy ideas :) |
| 16:42.49 | Arafangion | zebalin4: You have not learnt to abstract :) |
| 16:42.52 | MidgetKiller | lol, thanks |
| 16:43.12 | hobophobe | DarkStorm2736, it helped me. I upgraded just now and my sata_ module now works with my onboard chip. |
| 16:43.20 | hobophobe | (I'm using sata_promise) |
| 16:43.21 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: well, when you write your web-service you can do it your way. If you want to client-side edit, be my guest. |
| 16:43.29 | MidgetKiller | Thats the board I have: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8sre.html |
| 16:43.43 | enouf | MidgetKiller : deosn't matter |
| 16:43.52 | DarkStorm2736 | Hmm hobophobe, is there a "nice" way (means: apt-get) of upgrading the kernel on debian stable? |
| 16:44.17 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Consider that your highest "alphanumeric" client number is 5551, |
| 16:44.38 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: you should solder stuff on it |
| 16:44.49 | MidgetKiller | i was tempted abrotman |
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| 16:45.07 | abrotman | MidgetKiller: anyways .. come back when you have access to the box and you can get us info we need |
| 16:45.12 | pickcoder | I have the 2892 |
| 16:45.16 | MidgetKiller | thanks |
| 16:45.17 | pickcoder | with a dual-core Opteron 275 |
| 16:45.33 | MidgetKiller | pick, i have the dual-core 265's |
| 16:45.34 | hobophobe | Yes, provided there's an existing kernel newer than yours in the repos. You can find your exact version with uname -r, use apt-cache search kernel-image to get the list of options for replacing |
| 16:45.36 | pickcoder | mmmm 1MB cache for each core |
| 16:45.36 | Arafangion | zebalin4: I direct your attention to the ',' |
| 16:45.38 | MidgetKiller | nice chips |
| 16:45.41 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 16:45.50 | MidgetKiller | how much ram you running? |
| 16:45.55 | pickcoder | 2GB |
| 16:46.01 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: I hear the call of breakfast. Nice chatting with you. We'll do it again, I hope. |
| 16:46.06 | MidgetKiller | i put 4gb of kingston pc3200 in |
| 16:46.11 | Arafangion | zebalin4: On jabber? |
| 16:46.11 | MidgetKiller | running it dual-channel |
| 16:46.18 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Or do you use msn or yahoo? |
| 16:46.20 | eleftherios | Wyzard, which ppd file shall I prefer, /usr/share/ppd/hplip/HP-LaserJet_1320-hpijs.ppd or /usr/share/ppd/hplip/HP_LaserJet_1320_Series.ppd? |
| 16:46.23 | pickcoder | I considered running 4GB, but it was overkill for the $ |
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| 16:46.33 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: no, I don't do much with IM. It's a time-sink for me. |
| 16:46.35 | Wyzard | eleftherios: You shouldn't have to look at PPD files directly |
| 16:46.37 | MidgetKiller | i got a discount on the extra 2gb |
| 16:46.40 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Very well, email? |
| 16:46.41 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Use the CUPS "add printer" wizard |
| 16:46.47 | abrotman | zebalin4: there's some weird "Access Denied" on the About page |
| 16:46.49 | eleftherios | Wyzard, yes this is what I using |
| 16:46.58 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: sure |
| 16:47.06 | eleftherios | Wyzard, it says I can use a ppd file and there is a file upload form |
| 16:47.12 | zebalin4 | abrotman: yeah, the demo has some bugs. |
| 16:47.21 | abrotman | zebalin4: uhm .. this isn't the demo |
| 16:47.23 | Arafangion | zebalin4: Now, it's nearly 3am :( |
| 16:47.25 | DarkStorm2736 | Hm. How would i get the kernel source from unstable/testing into my stable system? (And only the kernel) |
| 16:47.26 | eleftherios | or it gives me a long list of choices of which I don;t know which one is the best |
| 16:47.27 | MidgetKiller | basically it the store had ordered the other 2gb for someone else and they had cancelled their order after the store got it, so they offered it to me at a discount just to get rid of it |
| 16:47.28 | abrotman | zebalin4: modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6 |
| 16:47.29 | Arafangion | zebalin4: G'night :) |
| 16:47.44 | zebalin4 | Arafangion: me too. bye all. |
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| 16:48.11 | abrotman | oh well |
| 16:48.15 | pickcoder | discounts are always good |
| 16:48.22 | Wyzard | eleftherios: That's intended for PPDs that CUPS can't already "see" |
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| 16:48.39 | pickcoder | gah.. this tape verification is killing my estimated time of completion |
| 16:48.40 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Above that box for uploading a PPD file, there's a list of manufacturers... choose HP |
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| 16:49.14 | pickcoder | bbiab |
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| 16:49.26 | knoth | i'm trying to install mysql-MAX package with apt-get, but i cant find the package! is this right? => apt-get install mysql-max |
| 16:49.41 | eleftherios | Wyzard, it gives me a list of choices such as: HP Laserjet Series PCL 4/5 CUPS v1.2 |
| 16:49.57 | DarkStorm2736 | Hmmm. Would there be a problem if i used the original kernel sources from kernel.org with my debian 3.1 system? |
| 16:49.59 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Only a very short list of generic printer types? |
| 16:50.06 | eleftherios | Wyzard, yes |
| 16:50.21 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Then you don't have linuxprinting.org-ppds or hpijs-ppds installed |
| 16:50.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: Personally, I feel that website was far tooo simple. |
| 16:50.29 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Or maybe you need to reinstall CUPS after you install them |
| 16:50.34 | eleftherios | I have installed hpijs-ppds |
| 16:50.39 | Wyzard | eleftherios: oops, make that *restart* CUPS, not reinstall it |
| 16:50.46 | abrotman | Arafangion: that too :) |
| 16:50.47 | Wyzard | eleftherios: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 16:50.49 | eleftherios | I have restarted it...hm |
| 16:50.54 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Then try it again... you should see much more in that list |
| 16:51.13 | eleftherios | Wyzard, trying again... |
| 16:51.37 | Arafangion | abrotman: Which is why I'm not sure I can believe that it's written in 200, 000 lines of php! |
| 16:52.10 | DarkStorm2736 | you're kidding me... right? |
| 16:52.10 | eleftherios | Wyzard, another issue is that it finds two printers: hp LaserJet 1320 series (hp LaserJet 1320 series USB #1) and HP hp_LaserJet_1320_series (hp:/usb/hp_LaserJet_1320_series?device=/dev/usb/lp0) |
| 16:52.17 | eleftherios | why is that and which one shall I choose? |
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| 16:52.36 | Wyzard | eleftherios: The latter is the one you want to use... that's the one going through hplip |
| 16:52.38 | abrotman | Arafangion: lack of code reuse perhaps? |
| 16:52.45 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I see |
| 16:52.49 | Wyzard | eleftherios: The former is through CUPS's raw USB support |
| 16:53.02 | abrotman | Arafangion: my first job out of Uni was moving 10's of thousands of lines of code of ASP to PHP .. i don' tknow the actual line count |
| 16:53.04 | eleftherios | Wyzard, the list remains the same |
| 16:53.09 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 16:53.14 | eleftherios | after I have chosen to add the pronter |
| 16:53.16 | Arafangion | abrotman: Even then, I don't believe it. Consider, say, 100 forms, that's still 2000 lines *per form* |
| 16:53.37 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's a lot of logic |
| 16:54.04 | Arafangion | abrotman: Hmm, point. I've put my logic into the structure of the relational DB. |
| 16:54.05 | eleftherios | I will manually add the ppd Wyzard :-/ |
| 16:54.15 | abrotman | Arafangion: for some things you can do that .. but not all |
| 16:54.19 | Wyzard | eleftherios: No, you really shouldn't need to do that |
| 16:54.30 | eleftherios | Wyzard, but I only get that generic list... |
| 16:54.39 | Arafangion | abrotman: For nearly all relational data, you can, which is what this is :) |
| 16:54.44 | eleftherios | Wyzard, what is wrong about choosing the ppd manually? |
| 16:54.54 | pickcoder | abrotman: our shopping system and online catalog is written in PickBASIC. <G> |
| 16:54.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: (I'm also writing my own app, but is a desktop app rather than website) |
| 16:55.05 | abrotman | Arafangion: there's formatting .. input sanitizing ... |
| 16:55.07 | Arafangion | pickcoder: Not PureBasic? |
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| 16:55.23 | Arafangion | abrotman: Again, the DB :) |
| 16:55.42 | abrotman | Arafangion: i'd prefer to have it sanitized before hitting the db :) |
| 16:55.58 | abrotman | Arafangion: and the DB can't do formatting |
| 16:56.00 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Probably nothing if you choose the right one -- the description given in the PPD file should be "HP LaserJet 1320 Foomatic/hpijs - HPLIP 1.6.7 (en)" -- but the fact that it's not showing up indicates that something is wrong, and it's better to troubleshoot it than ignore it |
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| 16:56.11 | pickcoder | Arafangion: big difference there |
| 16:56.22 | ShockTreatment | <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2761311745.html |
| 16:56.23 | Arafangion | abrotman: Still, it's like, what? a couple of lines of code per type of data? |
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| 16:56.40 | abrotman | Arafangion: depends .. i didn't sign up for a demo :) |
| 16:56.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: And validators make it really easy. :) |
| 16:56.52 | Arafangion | abrotman: The demo username nad password is "demo" |
| 16:56.52 | Wyzard | eleftherios: I'm downloading and installing linuxprinting.org-ppds right now... we'll see whether those PPDs show up in my list automatically |
| 16:56.57 | Arafangion | abrotman: No signing up. |
| 16:57.06 | abrotman | pickcoder: i worked at a place that used uhm .. crap .. starts with a 'p' prolog .. crap |
| 16:57.10 | abrotman | total crap |
| 16:57.16 | abrotman | Arafangion: oh |
| 16:57.43 | abrotman | Arafangion: apparently it doesn't work |
| 16:57.49 | abrotman | oh . .duh |
| 16:57.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: Hungarian notation? |
| 16:58.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: uh .. it was for job control |
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| 16:58.11 | pickcoder | abrotman: OpenQM implemented classes and objects in a Pick flavor of BASIC. Natural inheritence is supposed to be in the next release. |
| 16:58.18 | abrotman | replang that i work with now is full of RPN |
| 16:58.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: oh, nm, I thought you were talking about something else |
| 16:58.29 | pickcoder | abrotman: really nice development environment! |
| 16:58.46 | Arafangion | abrotman: In any case, my database is strongly typed, not like that MySQL crap. |
| 16:58.48 | pickcoder | ok.. time to swap machines |
| 16:58.58 | Jemt | Greets. I need 'make' in order to install VMWare. I installed GCC manually, as 'build-essential' is missing dependencies, and could not be installed (running Testing repositories). Which package should I install to get 'make' ? |
| 16:59.04 | abrotman | Arafangion: mysql is crap .. no arguments here :) |
| 16:59.12 | Wyzard | Jemt: "make" |
| 16:59.18 | Jemt | Wyzard: Oh, ok :) |
| 16:59.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: Excellent. |
| 16:59.29 | Wyzard | Jemt: You'll need to install your kernel headers too, if you're using a precompiled kernel |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | Arafangion: his system is pretty darn fast |
| 16:59.34 | Arafangion | abrotman: It is. |
| 16:59.38 | Jemt | Wyzard: I am |
| 16:59.41 | Jemt | Wyzard: Thanks :) |
| 16:59.45 | Jemt | I'll do that |
| 16:59.52 | Arafangion | abrotman: But, he doesn't have much data in there. |
| 17:00.00 | abrotman | Arafangion: he's got a pile of reports |
| 17:00.01 | Arafangion | abrotman: So it's hard to say how fast it _really_ is. |
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| 17:00.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: I don't think pdf reports are that hard to produce. |
| 17:00.24 | Arafangion | abrotman: There's a ton of libs for that. |
| 17:01.08 | abrotman | Arafangion: uh .. there are .. but you have to get it to a format those tools understand |
| 17:01.40 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's actually not a bad utility |
| 17:01.44 | Wyzard | eleftherios: After installing linuxprinting.org-ppds, I had to close my browser window and restart the CUPS add-printer wizard from the beginning before the other items showed up |
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| 17:02.25 | Arafangion | abrotman: True, but nearly all businesses will need _more_. |
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| 17:02.46 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I did not close the browser window (although I can't see why this should matter as HTTP is stateless and each request is processed anew) |
| 17:02.48 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's designed for a small firm .. think like a mom/pop ice cream dairy . it'd be almost perfect |
| 17:02.55 | Arafangion | abrotman: Point. |
| 17:02.57 | JohnQ | Anyone know why my psaux mouse would be reacting VERY slowly? both in gpm and X... It's jerky.. only moving positions every second or so.. |
| 17:03.05 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I have manually installed the ppd now and the the printer works, thank you very much for all your help! :-) |
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| 17:04.00 | abrotman | Arafangion: oh well .. at this point it's still closed |
| 17:04.26 | Wyzard | eleftherios: hplip also provides the "hp-toolbox" program, btw |
| 17:04.46 | eleftherios | Wyzard, yes it does :-) |
| 17:05.00 | Arafangion | abrotman: And personally, for a _very_ small firm, a web-only interface is overkill. |
| 17:05.10 | Arafangion | abrotman: Especially for a dialup user. |
| 17:05.11 | eleftherios | Wyzard, very handy :-) |
| 17:05.26 | abrotman | Arafangion: what's dialup ? |
| 17:05.30 | Danamania | JohnQ: my memory may be off, but I think I had similar problems way back when I had two input devices for mouse in my Xfree86 config. |
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| 17:06.10 | Arafangion | abrotman: Internet access over telephone lines. |
| 17:06.23 | Arafangion | abrotman: A technically perfect connection is about 4.7 KB/s |
| 17:06.46 | abrotman | Arafangion: i was joking |
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| 17:07.16 | Arafangion | Heh. I think I've been helping peopel for too long. |
| 17:07.39 | JohnQ | Danamania: nope.. just the one device... and it is acting the same in gpm |
| 17:07.50 | Jemt | Can someone help me get 'gcc' working? VMwarePlayer is trying to build a module. There is two things in this: I have installed a more recent version of gcc then the one the kernel was build with (I just installed 'gcc') - I was able to continue though, and there seems to be a problem with symbolic links (http://pastebin.ca/150216). Can someone please help me ? |
| 17:07.55 | Arafangion | abrotman: The other day, I fixed an internet outage, turned out the server was off. |
| 17:08.08 | abrotman | Arafangion: good job |
| 17:08.10 | blondie | Arafangion: DSL is "internet access over telephone lines"... does that mean it's dialup? |
| 17:08.18 | Danamania | JohnQ: ahhwell - sometimes way out guesses work :) |
| 17:08.28 | Jemt | Especially this lines looks interesting : /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/Makefile:91: *** For proper build you'll have to replace gcc-4.0 with symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc. Stop. |
| 17:08.29 | Arafangion | blondie: Can be. |
| 17:08.52 | Wyzard | Jemt: apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 17:08.57 | Jemt | Wyzard: Ok |
| 17:08.59 | blondie | Arafangion: DSL has no concept of dialiung |
| 17:09.01 | blondie | -u |
| 17:09.04 | abrotman | pppoe ? |
| 17:09.10 | Jemt | Wyzard: What about 'gcc' ? It is already installed |
| 17:09.11 | Arafangion | blondie: Yes, it does, depending on the type of DSL you're using. |
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| 17:09.27 | blondie | Arafangion: no it doesn't |
| 17:09.34 | blondie | Arafangion: there's no phone number |
| 17:09.40 | Arafangion | blondie: Hahaha. |
| 17:09.47 | Wyzard | Jemt: "gcc" is an empty (mostly) package that just depends on an actual compiler-version package, currently gcc-4.1 in sid |
| 17:10.05 | Wyzard | Jemt: and it provides the symlink /usr/bin/gcc which points to "gcc-4.1" |
| 17:10.06 | blondie | Arafangion: and there's no dial either ;) (round thing with 10 holes for 0-9) |
| 17:10.10 | Jemt | Wyzard: So after installing gcc-4.0, I have both 4.0 and 4.1 installed ? |
| 17:10.15 | Wyzard | Jemt: correct |
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| 17:10.20 | Jemt | Wyzard: Okay. Thanks :) |
| 17:10.27 | pickcoder_away | *attack of the dust bunnies* |
| 17:10.29 | Arafangion | blondie: I have never seen a dial on a dialup modem, are they still dialup modems? |
| 17:10.34 | Jemt | Hopefully VMPlayer installs now :) |
| 17:10.41 | blondie | Arafangion: the first ones yes |
| 17:10.45 | Wyzard | Jemt: There's also a gcc-4.2, which "gcc" will eventually point to, once Debian makes that transition |
| 17:10.50 | Arafangion | blondie: Incorrect. |
| 17:10.58 | blondie | Arafangion: you had to dial the number by hand on a phone and use an acoustic coupler |
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| 17:11.09 | Jemt | Wyzard: So 'gcc' is a "meta" package, right ? |
| 17:11.11 | blondie | Arafangion: so they were dialup |
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| 17:11.48 | Arafangion | blondie: I still have to connect my ADSL line to a particular number, does that make it dialup? |
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| 17:11.48 | Arafangion | blondie: If so, then what the hell does? |
| 17:11.48 | blondie | Arafangion: do you, have you tried a different number? |
| 17:11.49 | Wyzard | Jemt: yep |
| 17:11.59 | Jemt | Wyzard: Ok |
| 17:12.27 | Jemt | Wyzard: Hm, I'm still getting this error from VMPlayer : "Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.0.4", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.1.2". This configuration is not recommended and VMware Player may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.1.2" anyway? [no]" |
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| 17:12.45 | Arafangion | blondie: I think you're just looking for a semantics argument here. |
| 17:12.50 | Jemt | Wyzard: Seems 4.1.2 is still my default compiler |
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| 17:13.07 | Wyzard | Jemt: That's strange because it looked like it was trying to run "gcc-4.0", not "gcc" |
| 17:13.09 | blondie | Arafangion: hardly, DSL doesn't dial a phone number |
| 17:13.17 | blondie | so it's not dialup. |
| 17:13.20 | Arafangion | abrotman: I'm still amazed at how quickly I found out that the server was off, given that I asked if there has been any issues with the power lately - the answer was no - apparently brownouts aren't important! |
| 17:13.28 | blondie | it's a different signal on the same cable is all |
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| 17:13.37 | Arafangion | blondie: It's alot more than that. |
| 17:13.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:13.43 | Wyzard | Jemt: but anyway, I wouldn't worry about it too much... I don't think they made any incompatible changes to the C ABI between 4.0 and 4.1 |
| 17:13.43 | Jemt | Wyzard: True. Well, I'll just ignore the warning and continue |
| 17:13.46 | blondie | if you say so |
| 17:13.49 | Arafangion | blondie: I know for a fact that it's alot more than just a mere extra signal on the line. |
| 17:13.51 | Jemt | Wyzard: My thought too |
| 17:14.08 | Wyzard | Jemt: I've been using VMware for several years and I've ignored warnings of that sort from time to time, and never had any problems as far as I can remember |
| 17:14.20 | blondie | Arafangion: "alot" isn't a word that I'm aware of |
| 17:14.29 | Jemt | Wyzard: I still get this error : "/tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/Makefile:91: *** For proper build you'll have to replace gcc-4.0 -m32 with symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc. Stop." |
| 17:14.38 | Jemt | Wyzard: Okay |
| 17:14.57 | Arafangion | blondie: It is probable that the reason why you, the customer, can't dial an arbituary number because of technical complexities with regards to actually carrying that signal - the telco has to do some special routing for it. |
| 17:15.20 | Arafangion | blondie: alot, means heaps. |
| 17:15.23 | Wyzard | Jemt: If you run "gcc-4.0 -m32" from a shell, does it say "gcc-4.0: no input files", or does it say it couldn't find the command or something? |
| 17:15.34 | Jemt | Wyzard: Sec :) |
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| 17:15.40 | blondie | Arafangion: "alot" isn't a word... perhaps you mean "a lot" |
| 17:15.53 | Arafangion | blondie: it's a word where I'm from. |
| 17:15.56 | Jemt | Wyzard: No input file |
| 17:15.58 | blondie | Arafangion: it's not |
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| 17:16.00 | Arafangion | blondie: Not everybody uses US English. |
| 17:16.04 | blondie | it's two words, you just can't spell |
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| 17:16.18 | abrotman | Arafangion: alot is not a word in any language |
| 17:16.24 | blondie | Arafangion: I'm not in the US. |
| 17:16.27 | Wyzard | Jemt: hmm... dunno why it thinks it can't use that as a compiler, then |
| 17:16.35 | Jemt | Ok :-/ |
| 17:16.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: Where are you from? |
| 17:16.53 | blondie | Arafangion: I suppose you think "their" is the same as "there" |
| 17:16.56 | Jemt | Wyzard: How can I see where gcc points to ? |
| 17:16.58 | abrotman | .us .. |
| 17:17.02 | Arafangion | blondie: Of course not. |
| 17:17.06 | abrotman | apt: dict alot |
| 17:17.28 | Wyzard | Jemt: What's on line 91 of that makefile? |
| 17:17.43 | Jemt | Wyzard: Checking |
| 17:17.59 | Jemt | Wyzard: Hm, I'm not really sure where the makefile is |
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| 17:18.15 | Jemt | Wyzard: I'm inside the VMPlayer directory, containing the installation files now |
| 17:18.15 | Wyzard | Jemt: /tmp/vmware-config2/vmmon-only/Makefile |
| 17:18.19 | Jemt | Wyzard: Ah, ok |
| 17:18.24 | Arafangion | abrotman: It's in very common use in Australia, hence, it is at the very least, a recent Australian English word. |
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| 17:18.36 | blondie | it's common, but it's wrong |
| 17:18.45 | Arafangion | blondie: Define "wrong". |
| 17:18.49 | blondie | Arafangion: is "alot" a verb, or what? |
| 17:18.57 | Arafangion | blondie: Or doust thee hath a problem with that? |
| 17:19.20 | blondie | I guess they have different words in penal colonies ;) |
| 17:19.26 | Arafangion | Ha. |
| 17:19.31 | Arafangion | On that note, I'm off to bed. |
| 17:19.31 | Danamania | give it another decade or two and it'll be a word. |
| 17:19.37 | Arafangion | G'night abrotman, blondie. |
| 17:19.40 | Jemt | Wyzard: (91) $(error For proper build you'll have to replace $(CC) with symbolic \ |
| 17:19.40 | Jemt | (92) link to $(VM_CC)) |
| 17:19.41 | blondie | nn |
| 17:19.42 | abrotman | can't find it in any dictionary :) |
| 17:19.43 | vulture | eh, my English teacher (yes, in Australia) was quite adamant about "alot" not being correct.. |
| 17:19.47 | vulture | *shrugs* |
| 17:19.49 | abrotman | night |
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| 17:20.10 | Arafangion | vulture: We all know that English teachers don't really know good english. |
| 17:20.31 | vulture | Arafangion: we do? |
| 17:20.34 | Jemt | Wyzard: Did that make os wiser |
| 17:20.35 | Jemt | ? |
| 17:20.35 | Danamania | vulture: Same here, with one of mine. Another was adamant it was - he also considered "wierd" an acceptable spelling. |
| 17:20.50 | Wyzard | Jemt: How about before that? It's in response to something failing and we want to figure out what it was trying to do. |
| 17:20.50 | darrint | After a big etch -> etch upgrade, I have lost my wireless network device. "eth1" doesn't show up in ifconfig anymore. The ipw2200 kernel module is still loaded at boot (by udev?). What gives? |
| 17:21.06 | Wyzard | darrint: Did your kernel get upgraded? |
| 17:21.10 | Jemt | Wyzard: Ah, ok. Let me just pastebin it :) |
| 17:21.20 | darrint | Yes. I upgraded from 2.6.14 to 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 17:21.48 | tralala | darrint: you need to recompile the wireless driver then |
| 17:21.52 | linuxdesktop | total iowait percentage shown while running top is the correct representation of iowait for an instance |
| 17:21.53 | linuxdesktop | ? |
| 17:21.56 | Wyzard | darrint: 2.6.17 has a newer version of the ipw2200 driver that needs a newer version of the firmware... get it from ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 17:22.06 | darrint | Ah! Thanks. Will do. |
| 17:22.11 | Wyzard | tralala: nah, ipw2200 is in the standard kernel already |
| 17:22.15 | tralala | darrint: you can't use the same binary driver with different kernels |
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| 17:22.25 | tralala | Wyzard: oh, didn't know |
| 17:22.32 | Arafangion | tralala: If so, how did it load? |
| 17:23.02 | tralala | Arafangion: one of these mysteries of life I guess ;) |
| 17:23.17 | Jemt | Wyzard: http://powerzone.dk/tmp/Makefile.txt |
| 17:23.24 | Jemt | Wyzard: I just uploaded the file instead |
| 17:24.30 | Wyzard | darrint: Get firmware 3.0 for ipw2200 v1.1.1 and newer |
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| 17:25.21 | linuxdesktop | total iowait percentage shown while running top is the correct representation of iowait for an instance |
| 17:25.27 | linuxdesktop | am i correct |
| 17:26.25 | Wyzard | Jemt: hmm... looks like that makefile doesn't do much except had off to another makefile |
| 17:26.34 | Jemt | Oh, ok |
| 17:26.38 | Wyzard | Jemt: You might want to check the VMware forums, btw... I'm sure others have encountered this problem before |
| 17:26.45 | Jemt | Ok. Thanks |
| 17:27.13 | Wyzard | Jemt: I compile custom kernels these days so I don't have compiler version mismatches this big |
| 17:27.25 | Jemt | Wyzard: Heh, okay :) |
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| 17:28.30 | linuxdesktop | total iowait percentage shown while running top is the correct representation of iowait for an instance |
| 17:28.31 | linuxdesktop | am i correct |
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| 17:34.19 | eleftherios | what is the package for latex?? I am apt-cache searching it but I can't figure out which packages I need... |
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| 17:36.12 | pySko | I fuck debian :) sry bye. |
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| 17:36.17 | Jemt | Wyzard: Solved |
| 17:36.32 | Wyzard | Jemt: What'd it turn out to be? |
| 17:36.38 | Arafangion | eleftherios: You might be wanting TeX |
| 17:36.53 | Wyzard | eleftherios: apt-cache search tetex |
| 17:37.18 | Jemt | Wyzard: I removed 'gcc-4.1' (and 'gcc') along with it. Then VMPlayer complained about 'gcc' missing and gave me the option to specify the path to gcc manually. I typed /usr/bin/gcc-4.0, and it accepted :) |
| 17:37.18 | Wyzard | eleftherios: specifically, tetex-base and tetex-extra |
| 17:37.29 | Wyzard | Jemt: weird :-) |
| 17:37.37 | Jemt | Wyzard: Very - but it worked :D |
| 17:37.46 | eleftherios | Wyzard, thank you! |
| 17:37.48 | Jemt | Wyzard: But thanks for all your help. I appriciate it :) |
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| 17:39.49 | Coke | Hello. Is there a way to bind the keyboard to the X paste (mouse button 3 normally) ? |
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| 17:40.35 | dga | shift+insert? |
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| 17:41.23 | Coke | dga: unfortunately, that doesn't seem to work with Firefox. :( |
| 17:41.31 | dga | hmm |
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| 17:41.54 | Coke | Probably non-compliant. |
| 17:41.55 | Arafangion | Coke: Apps are working more and more to allow windows-style cut&paste. |
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| 17:42.42 | dga | yeah. maybe try ^V |
| 17:42.48 | Coke | Arafangion: so far, Firefox is the only one I've used that isn't. |
| 17:42.59 | Coke | dga: naw, that is for the clipboard. |
| 17:43.11 | Arafangion | Coke: Does Galeon or Epiphany work? |
| 17:43.20 | Arafangion | Coke: Those use the same renderer as firefox. |
| 17:43.36 | Coke | Arafangion: never tried'em. but all GTK and KDE applications I've ever used accept X paste |
| 17:43.44 | Coke | Arafangion: the renderer has little to do with copy/paste |
| 17:43.50 | Coke | nothing, even. |
| 17:43.53 | Wyzard | Shift-Insert works in the address bar of Galeon, Epiphany, and Mozilla |
| 17:43.55 | Arafangion | Coke: Exactly. |
| 17:44.03 | Wyzard | haven't tried it on text boxes within pages |
| 17:44.14 | Coke | Wyzard: what version of Mozilla? |
| 17:44.45 | Wyzard | I run sid so I have 1.7.13 now |
| 17:45.04 | Jemt | Coke: My Firefox works fine with X Paste |
| 17:45.08 | Arafangion | Coke: The point was, the html rendering part - gecko, is the same on all of those browsers, so you might as well find one that behaves the way you want. |
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| 17:45.21 | Coke | Jemt: shift + insert ? |
| 17:45.34 | Jemt | Coke: Oh, using the keyboard? Dunno - let me check |
| 17:45.34 | Coke | I'm trying to avoid the mouse button. |
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| 17:46.26 | Jemt | Coke: Yep, works. But it's odd. If I want to paste into a form, I haft to write a few letters first - otherwise it dosn't work |
| 17:46.40 | Jemt | Coke: Nothing I can't accept thought |
| 17:46.41 | Jemt | -t |
| 17:47.59 | abrotman | Arafangion: didn't you go to bed like 30 minutes ago :) |
| 17:48.02 | Coke | Jemt: it's a bad bug imo |
| 17:48.38 | Jemt | Coke: True, but not critical |
| 17:49.35 | Coke | Jemt: oh, my right elbow is getting critical. :) |
| 17:49.37 | Jemt | Bugger. My Windows Image for VMPlayer points to /dev/cdrom - but that dosn't exist. /dev/cdrom3 exists though. Can I rename it or make a symbolic link called /dev/cdrom or something like that ? |
| 17:49.42 | Jemt | Coke: LOL :p |
| 17:49.46 | Jemt | Sorry to hear that ;) |
| 17:50.30 | Wyzard | Jemt: You can edit the .vmx file with a text editor |
| 17:50.45 | Jemt | Wyzard: Oh, great. Thanks :) |
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| 17:52.00 | klikklak | my machine seems to be only finding MemTotal: 906972 kB (according to proc) even though the bios correctly found all 1.5gb of it. Are there problems with different sized pc3200 memories (one card is 512mb and the other 1024gb) |
| 17:52.11 | klikklak | ? |
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| 17:52.36 | linuxdesktop | total iowait percentage shown while running top is the correct representation of iowait for an instance |
| 17:52.38 | linuxdesktop | am i correct |
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| 17:53.05 | abrotman | man top ? |
| 17:53.07 | Wyzard | Jemt: Look for a line like ide0:1.fileName = "/dev/cdrom"' |
| 17:53.15 | Jemt | Wyzard: Yep, I found it :) |
| 17:53.20 | ResPiDeR | Hi... how do I set 1280x960 in xorg? in my xorg.conf I already got Modes "1280x960" and the maximum res I can get is 1024x768... my monitor is a LG T910B (19") |
| 17:53.30 | Jemt | Wyzard: VMPlayer is pretty good, I must say :) |
| 17:53.32 | Wyzard | Jemt: Try changing the filename to "auto detect" -- that's something that's supported in VMware Workstation, and there's a fair chance it'd work with Player too |
| 17:53.45 | Jemt | Wyzard: Oh, cool. Thanks :) |
| 17:54.44 | Jemt | Wyzard: Seems like it worked :) |
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| 17:54.52 | Wyzard | Jemt: Incidentally... you can download and install VMware Workstation without having to buy a license... it's just that it'll refuse to boot any VMs until you enter a valid license key |
| 17:55.08 | Wyzard | Jemt: but even without one, you can use it to create and edit VMs that you can then run in Player ;-) |
| 17:55.11 | SpeedyG | I thought vmware had a free player nowdays |
| 17:55.15 | Jemt | Wyzard: Actually the VMWorkstation is a full version with time limitation |
| 17:55.34 | Wyzard | Jemt: The time-limited demo is one way to get a copy of Workstation |
| 17:55.36 | Jemt | Wyzard: Unless they have changed how the demo works |
| 17:55.58 | Jemt | Wyzard: Well, I would prefer the other way of cause. How can I choose that one ? |
| 17:56.19 | HanzZ | hi... i make debian package and when i install him, i haven't any files from packages in /etc... only directories ... what is wrong? |
| 17:56.27 | Wyzard | Jemt: I'm not advocating pirating it -- I actually did buy a license for it -- but I find it interesting that between the Workstation demo and Player, you can both create and run VMs without paying a cent and without a time limit... it's just a little less convenient |
| 17:56.30 | HanzZ | *package |
| 17:57.56 | Jemt | Wyzard: I buy all my software too. Usually that is not neccesary on Linux. I do have a lot of software for Windows that I no longer use ;) |
| 17:58.08 | Jemt | I'm only using Windows in VMPlayer to test a game server :) |
| 17:58.17 | jelly-home | VMware Server is free to use too. |
| 17:58.17 | Wyzard | ah :-) |
| 17:58.27 | Wyzard | I was about to mention that too |
| 17:58.32 | Jemt | jelly-home: Yea, but probably quite advanced |
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| 17:58.41 | Wyzard | Actually it's pretty similar to Workstation |
| 17:58.48 | Jemt | Really ?? |
| 17:58.55 | Wyzard | The main difference is that when you close the application window, the VM keeps running in the background |
| 17:58.56 | Jemt | Wyzard: Just as easy to maintain ? |
| 17:59.01 | Jemt | Oh |
| 17:59.05 | Wyzard | and you can connect to it and view it from other machines on the network |
| 17:59.07 | Jemt | Why even consider Workstation then ? |
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| 17:59.13 | Jemt | Cool |
| 17:59.16 | jelly-home | support? |
| 17:59.22 | Jemt | Ah yea, could be |
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| 17:59.43 | Wyzard | Well, Workstation is a little more responsive... Server runs the VM in a separate daemon that communicates with the UI through a socket, so graphics are a bit more sluggish |
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| 17:59.53 | Wyzard | and it doesn't support hierarchial snapshots like Workstation does |
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| 18:00.12 | Wyzard | Other than that, it's pretty similar, though... the look-and-feel is basically the same |
| 18:00.22 | Jemt | Wyzard: Okay. Well, I just need to be able to configure the image - as you said, I can always run the image in VMPlayer :) |
| 18:00.23 | Gorgapor | i have a question: if i'm running a raid-5 array, how do i find out when a disk goes bad and i need to replace it? |
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| 18:00.42 | Jemt | It is so odd running Windows in Gnome, heh |
| 18:00.44 | Wyzard | oh, and Workstation supports "teams", which Server doesn't |
| 18:00.45 | jelly-home | Wyzard: oh, Workstation supports more snapshots than one? That did look like an arbitrary limit. |
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| 18:01.26 | Wyzard | Workstation 5.x lets you create multiple snapshots in a sort of cascade, and then you can back up to an earlier one and resume it and branch off and make more snapshots |
| 18:01.33 | Wyzard | You can have essentially a tree of snapshots |
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| 18:02.23 | Wyzard | and you can remove a snapshot while the VM is running... Server only allows one snapshot, and to remove it and go back to snapshot-less mode you have to shut down the VM |
| 18:02.39 | hobophobe | Want to set up RAID on these disks now that they are visible. Currently they are both not formatted. I'm looking to use the md-mod/RAID0 modules. I'm guessing I need to employ mdadm? should I partition them first? |
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| 18:03.27 | Wyzard | hobophobe: You don't have to partition them -- you could just do RAID on the raw disk devices -- but it's a good idea to make a single whole-disk partition on each, so that other OSes will at least see an understandable partition table |
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| 18:04.21 | hobophobe | ah, okay. so make a full partition on each, then assemble the array using mdadm config file? |
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| 18:04.31 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 18:04.54 | sl1ck | I used make-kpkg kernel-image to build a kernel and I need to change the config, If I try to rebuild it again it quits with error, any tips? |
| 18:04.58 | Wyzard | Until recently, mdadm didn't need a config file at all, but just in the past few days they made it require one |
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| 18:05.16 | Cybodog | slick, what is the error |
| 18:05.26 | Wyzard | It generated one for me as part of the upgrade, but it's pretty simple |
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| 18:05.44 | Gorgapor | i'll ask my question again: what's the best way to find out if one of the drives in my RAID-5 array has gone bad? |
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| 18:05.57 | sl1ck | it said that it is alreadt in the debian changelog so it stops |
| 18:05.57 | Wyzard | Gorgapor: For a one-off check, cat /proc/mdstat |
| 18:06.04 | Cybodog | gorgapor define "gone bad" |
| 18:06.13 | Gorgapor | gone bad = failed |
| 18:06.21 | Cybodog | slick did you do kpkg-make clean? |
| 18:06.24 | Wyzard | Gorgapor: For continuous monitoring, there's a daemon that'll send mail to root when a drive fails... I think the daemon is included in the mdadm package, though I'm not sure |
| 18:06.24 | Gorgapor | meaning i have to replace the drive before another one fails |
| 18:06.34 | sl1ck | Cybodog, only make clean |
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| 18:07.25 | Cybodog | slick read the README in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package it has step my step instructions on how to use kernel-package |
| 18:07.37 | klikklak | I'm asking again (and yes, I'm doing web queries): my machine seems to be only finding MemTotal: 906972 kB according to proc, and it should show all 1.5gb of my memory (1xpc3200 512mb and 1xpc3200 1024mb). Does anyone know what is causing this? |
| 18:07.39 | sl1ck | ok thx |
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| 18:08.03 | Gorgapor | Wyzard, does it matter that it's a hardware raid? |
| 18:08.20 | Cybodog | Gorgapor, YES |
| 18:08.23 | Wyzard | Gorgapor: oh, yes, that's completely different |
| 18:08.38 | Cybodog | Gorgapor, you need to use the hardware monitor tools that came with your controler |
| 18:08.39 | Gorgapor | Wyzard, yeah i thought that mdadm was only for software raids |
| 18:09.02 | Wyzard | Gorgapor: If it's a *real* hardware RAID, at least, and not one of those Promise/Highpoint/SiI fakeraid things |
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| 18:09.25 | Gorgapor | Wyzard, well it's built into my motherboard |
| 18:09.39 | Wyzard | Gorgapor: Is it a high-end server-class motherboard? |
| 18:09.43 | Gorgapor | no |
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| 18:09.51 | hobophobe | Okay, now they are partitioned I want to create the RAID device and _then_ I'll format that? |
| 18:09.52 | Gorgapor | it's a little fileserver i have on my home network |
| 18:09.53 | Wyzard | then it's almost certainly fakeraid, not real hardware RAI |
| 18:09.56 | Wyzard | *RAID |
| 18:10.08 | Gorgapor | well i'm glad i know that now |
| 18:10.23 | Wyzard | It's basically software RAID implemented in the driver |
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| 18:10.46 | hobophobe | Well after I read about the linux-native software raid being superior fakeraid, I decided not to hassle with the fakeraid style setup |
| 18:10.59 | Wyzard | Those are supported by Linux, but you're probably better off using plain Linux software RAID |
| 18:11.25 | Wyzard | That way if your motherboard dies and you have to replace it, you don't have to worry about whether the new one's fakeraid controller uses a different on-disk metadata format than the old one |
| 18:11.35 | Gorgapor | oh that's a good point |
| 18:11.48 | Gorgapor | so what about the add-on cards for raid |
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| 18:11.54 | Gorgapor | i mean PCI cards |
| 18:12.06 | petriborg | well that would usually be "real" raid then wouldn't it |
| 18:12.10 | Wyzard | High-end ones made by vendors like Adaptec and 3ware are real hardware RAID |
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| 18:12.14 | petriborg | unless its one of the really cheap ones :-) |
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| 18:12.29 | Wyzard | where the card does all the work and the rest of the system actually sees a single big hard drive |
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| 18:12.45 | Gorgapor | ok well i'm on a college student budget, so i guess i can't afford a real hardware raid card |
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| 18:12.53 | Wyzard | no, you don't really need one |
| 18:13.09 | Gorgapor | thankyou all |
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| 18:13.14 | Wyzard | Just use mdadm |
| 18:13.18 | jair | anyone here have some experience in samba server? |
| 18:13.36 | abrotman | justask |
| 18:13.43 | jair | I have a debian box running samba and I am trying to understand how can I add a user with the same group here |
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| 18:13.57 | Gorgapor | so i don't need to even buy a motherboard with any fake-raid support at all |
| 18:14.00 | klikklak | I'm going to downgrade to debian-stock 2.6.15, and see if that solves it |
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| 18:14.17 | aarm_ | Is there a way to reconnect to an accidentally close ssh session? |
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| 18:14.23 | jair | for example: I have the user jair that looks like this:jair:x:1000:1000:jair,,,:/home/jair:/bin/bash |
| 18:14.36 | jair | and i want to ad another user specifying the same group |
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| 18:14.40 | petriborg | no aarm |
| 18:14.46 | aarm_ | thats sad |
| 18:14.51 | aarm_ | thanks petriborg |
| 18:14.58 | aarm_ | I didn't think so |
| 18:15.00 | jair | by default the name of my group is ? "jair"? and the group id is "1000" |
| 18:15.03 | abrotman | use screen next time |
| 18:15.07 | Gorgapor | thanks everyone, bye |
| 18:15.28 | vulture | jair: "adduser" then "addgroup".. |
| 18:15.41 | vulture | though I believe you can configure samba permissions completely separately from your actual user accounts.. |
| 18:15.42 | aarm_ | So by default if there are any commands say tar running in a ssh session then those processes are ended? |
| 18:16.08 | jair | vulture: I think i have to put the two users in the same group and group id |
| 18:16.14 | petriborg | aarm: nohup |
| 18:16.15 | vulture | aarm_: right, your shell dies, and so do any child processes |
| 18:16.31 | aarm_ | good to know thanks for the input |
| 18:16.35 | vulture | jair: just use addgroup to add them to some common group if that's what you're interested in |
| 18:16.44 | vulture | aarm_: nohup or screen are both useful tools |
| 18:16.57 | vulture | I don't do anything in a terminal other than run screen (locally or over ssh) |
| 18:17.18 | hobophobe | mdadm -C /dev/rd/c0d0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 << or do I use /dev/sda and /dev/sdb ? Rest of it look good? |
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| 18:18.00 | aarm_ | vulture: are nohup and screen part of a particular package? |
| 18:18.03 | petriborg | screen is your friend so long as you have a good terminal connection |
| 18:18.16 | aarm_ | screen |
| 18:18.25 | aarm_ | oops wrong term |
| 18:18.31 | petriborg | aarm: nohup allows you to start a command that won't get killed if you loose your connection (say network timeout) |
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| 18:18.54 | aarm_ | oh I see...I'll have to read up on nohup |
| 18:18.56 | vulture | aarm_: screen is part of the screen package |
| 18:19.01 | vulture | nohup's somewhere around.. not sure which package |
| 18:19.18 | azeem | coreutils |
| 18:19.19 | petriborg | its one of the core utils i'm sure somewhere |
| 18:19.30 | petriborg | see? heh |
| 18:19.42 | freegan-bh | Having problem here, i'm trying to exec chroot init after pivot_root to a mounted hd, but gets the error chroot: no such file or directory |
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| 18:19.58 | hobophobe | I guess I use the /dev/sda1, okay.. should it be /dev/md0 or such instead of /dev/rd/c0d0 ? |
| 18:20.01 | jair | vulture: this is the second user i want to add to the same group as "jair"rpendleton:x:1001:1001: |
| 18:20.14 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: Are you building an initrd manually or something? |
| 18:20.24 | vulture | jair: so use 'addgroup'? |
| 18:20.26 | freegan-bh | Wyzard: yes |
| 18:20.36 | DaBlade | Entirely off topic: Does anyone here speak dutch? |
| 18:20.43 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: There are tools to do that automatically, you know |
| 18:20.50 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: unless you have very very specialized needs |
| 18:21.29 | freegan-bh | freegan-bh: yes, im booting from a different disk to mount root and run init on another one |
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| 18:21.48 | jair | vulture: the things is that the group "jair" already exist |
| 18:22.01 | jair | vulture: I want to add "rpendleton" to the group jair |
| 18:22.01 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: (As a guess, you probably need to specify "/sbin/init" rather than just "init"... and do "cd /" after the pivot_root to make sure your current directory isn't on the old root that got pivoted out) |
| 18:22.04 | aarm_ | vulture petriborg : looks like screen runs the command as if logged into the console physically? |
| 18:22.11 | vulture | jair: right.. "addgroup" (oddly enough) is used to add an existing user to an existing group.. |
| 18:22.14 | vulture | man addgroup |
| 18:22.53 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: I don't think you need a custom initrd for that... you can put /boot on a separate partition on a separate disk from the root filesystem, and the initrd generators should handle that just fine |
| 18:23.01 | freegan-bh | Wyzard: its /sbin/init. but im not doing the cd / |
| 18:23.02 | vulture | aarm_: not sure what you mean by that. Screen gives you multiple interactive shell sessions you can switch between, and you can disconnect the whole set & reconnect at another time/place |
| 18:23.28 | jair | vulture: so i should do --> addgroup jair rpdleton? |
| 18:23.30 | freegan-bh | Wyzard: i run some scripts from the initrd |
| 18:23.32 | petriborg | assuming you know all the commands, of which there are many :/ |
| 18:23.46 | vulture | jair: try it.. |
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| 18:23.55 | hobophobe | mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sd[ab]1 |
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| 18:23.58 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: You can provide hook scripts to an initrd generator, that it'll put into the image |
| 18:24.16 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: If you're using sid and current kernels, take a look at yaird or mkinitramfs |
| 18:24.35 | aarm_ | vulture: thanks that makes more sense |
| 18:24.56 | freegan-bh | Wyzard: mkinitrd too? |
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| 18:25.33 | Wyzard | freegan-bh: That's in sarge, but in etch/sid it's been superseded by those other two for newer kernels |
| 18:25.54 | sparr_ | How can I force /dev/dsp to start playing without a full buffer? I have tried SNDCTL_DSP_POST to no avail. anyone who wants to tell me to try #linux because this isnt a debian question can save their breath. |
| 18:26.10 | hobophobe | mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 18:26.26 | freegan-bh | ill try that |
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| 18:27.18 | Wyzard | hobophobe: /dev/md0 should be a block device file with major 9 and minor 9 |
| 18:27.35 | Wyzard | hobophobe: ownership root:disk, permission 660 |
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| 18:28.17 | Wyzard | hobophobe: though mdadm's "-a" option should take care of creating it for you |
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| 18:29.07 | jair | vulture: I think I should use this option right? --ingroup GROUP |
| 18:29.11 | w00ter | can someone help me setup mrtg? |
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| 18:30.47 | vulture | jair: possibly |
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| 18:33.26 | sergino | Jair? |
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| 18:34.33 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 18:34.39 | sid | What is a good hex editor? |
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| 18:35.02 | tralala | sid: what do you mean by "hex editor"? |
| 18:35.38 | DustyDingo | when i install for e.g. galeon and then then remove it again, how can i remove all it's dependencies, which aren't needed by other packages? |
| 18:35.38 | sid | tralala: I want to see a file in hex I think. |
| 18:35.53 | sid | tralala: Like "Hex Edit" for windows. |
| 18:36.01 | DustyDingo | because now i have tones of paclages on my system, which i don't need |
| 18:36.03 | tralala | sid: hexdump | less |
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| 18:36.19 | tralala | hexdump filename even |
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| 18:38.39 | tralala | DustyDingo: usually they are removed automatically. You can try deborphan as well. |
| 18:39.08 | DustyDingo | tralala: uhm automatically? |
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| 18:39.14 | glontu | hello |
| 18:39.28 | glontu | how do i upgrade to rrdtool-1.2.x with debian ? |
| 18:39.29 | DustyDingo | when i remove galeon waith apt-get remove galeon, only glaeon is removed |
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| 18:39.53 | Wyzard | sid: ghex |
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| 18:40.23 | DustyDingo | tralala: are they removed at the next update, or when should this happen? |
| 18:40.54 | tralala | DustyDingo: it should happen when you remove galeon. Perhaps aptitude does better than apt-get in this case. |
| 18:41.28 | tralala | DustyDingo: anyhow deborphan will search your system for unused packages |
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| 18:42.39 | DustyDingo | tralala: doesn't do a good job |
| 18:42.51 | DustyDingo | it finds only some unused packages |
| 18:42.59 | Wyzard | deborphan only searches libraries by default, IIRC |
| 18:43.33 | Wyzard | There's also debfoster |
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| 18:43.41 | Wyzard | but aptitude's really the best for it these days |
| 18:44.33 | tralala | DustyDingo: what would be a "good job"? |
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| 18:45.21 | DustyDingo | tralala: when it finds all unused libs ;) |
| 18:45.25 | DustyDingo | what it doesn't |
| 18:46.03 | tralala | DustyDingo: do you know a particular unused lib that it doesn't find? |
| 18:46.13 | DustyDingo | yes |
| 18:46.56 | tralala | DustyDingo: what happens if you do 'aptitude purge theunusedlib'? |
| 18:47.00 | me_here | how can i pass gcc or g++ options to make ? |
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| 18:47.49 | tralala | me_here: there are several different ways depending on the compilation type |
| 18:47.51 | petriborg | do you have something backward me-here |
| 18:48.19 | petriborg | as make usually runs gcc/g++... |
| 18:48.22 | tralala | arguably the most common way is to edit the Makefile |
| 18:48.56 | tralala | that's not the debian way of compiling things though |
| 18:49.17 | jair | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HtO0on60.html this is the configuration file of my samba server what is wrong with it now?? the valid group I have is @jair = gid 1000 and both "jair" and "rpendleton" are part of the same gid. |
| 18:49.23 | petriborg | well thats not entirely true tho tralala :-0 |
| 18:49.25 | Wyzard | me_here: By convention, makefiles pass the CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc. environment variables through to the compiler and related tools |
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| 18:50.30 | tralala | petriborg: I didn't claim the ABSOLUTE TRUTH |
| 18:50.39 | me_here | tralala: i'm on the console, want to compile some tut stuff, which has a premade makefile for gcc, with gcc4.1 it fails with 4.0 it fails at some later point, now the compiler tells me to use -fpermissive to compile, since it's a batch job i want to pass that to make that's all, Wyzard so you mean i have to set CXXFLAGS with make -e CXXFLAGS=fpermissive ? |
| 18:50.42 | petriborg | heh |
| 18:51.14 | Wyzard | me_here: If the makefile is written properly, you shouldn't need the '-e' |
| 18:51.33 | tralala | me_here: just edit the Makefile and add '-fpermissive' to CXXFLAGS |
| 18:51.52 | Wyzard | me_here: and if the makefile isn't written properly (doesn't respect the convention that it's not supposed to specify its own values for CXXFLAGS) then using it might break the build |
| 18:51.56 | tralala | or whatever is appropriae in your case |
| 18:51.56 | me_here | tralala: Wyzard, thank you :) |
| 18:52.19 | hobophobe | How do I write the newly created /dev/md0 to the mdadm.conf ? |
| 18:52.22 | tralala | me_here: you're welcome |
| 18:53.01 | hobophobe | Or will it do it automatically when I reboot? It also said for fdisk /dev/md0 (create partition) that it will not use the new partition until reboot |
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| 18:53.06 | tralala | hobophobe: with the assistance of a text editor (just my wild guess) |
| 18:53.14 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Here's the mdadm.conf that was recently generated for me in the mdadm update that made the config file mandatory: |
| 18:53.21 | Wyzard | DEVICE partitions |
| 18:53.22 | Wyzard | ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=6b8b4567:327b23c6:643c9869:66334873 |
| 18:53.22 | Wyzard | MAILADDR root |
| 18:53.29 | Wyzard | (sorry about the paste... only 3 lines though) |
| 18:53.47 | Wyzard | hobophobe: You could substitute in your array's UUID, level, and num-devices, and just use that |
| 18:53.54 | hobophobe | Ah, okay. |
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| 18:55.55 | sparr_ | is there a channel for OSS questions? |
| 18:56.13 | hobophobe | *reboot* |
| 18:56.47 | tralala | sparr_: does the OSS homepage point to one? |
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| 18:59.26 | sparr_ | tralala: of course not |
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| 19:00.27 | ootput | naturally |
| 19:00.39 | g333k | Hi, does the hard disk drives suffer when using LVM ? |
| 19:00.52 | hobophobe | how do I format it the device? |
| 19:00.53 | tralala | sparr_: what's your OSS question anyway? |
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| 19:01.30 | Wyzard | g333k: Unless you create and resize LVs a lot and get them very fragmented, it shouldn't be much different |
| 19:01.35 | tralala | g333k: LVM has nothing to do the disk drivers |
| 19:02.01 | hobophobe | mke2fs -j /dev/md0p1 ? |
| 19:02.14 | tralala | g333k: ops, 'drives' not 'drivers'. No LVM is not a problem for the drive |
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| 19:02.33 | Wyzard | hobophobe: I prefer to use LVM on top of RAID rather than partitionable RAID arrays, but that looks right to me |
| 19:02.37 | g333k | Wyzard, Yeah I didi something like that... I was adding more PVs and more and more and deleting ntfs |
| 19:02.51 | epsilon | how's the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf generated? |
| 19:02.54 | Wyzard | g333k: Adding PVs doesn't matter |
| 19:02.56 | g333k | Wyzard, I'm afraid my hard disks are suffering |
| 19:02.57 | PerfDave | g333k: WHat do you mean by "suffer"? |
| 19:03.16 | g333k | PerfDave, Well something like accelerate their death |
| 19:03.23 | Wyzard | g333k: not at all |
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| 19:03.30 | PerfDave | g333k: Why would it do that? |
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| 19:04.08 | g333k | PerfDave, Because files are here and there...ones in the begin of the hard disk... anothers in the end.... |
| 19:04.12 | Wyzard | g333k: In the most common case, an LV occupies only a single contiguous region of any given drive, and that's no different from an ordinary partition as far as the drive is concerned |
| 19:04.43 | g333k | Wyzard, but files are not saved in the same order, I mean contiguosly |
| 19:05.02 | Wyzard | g333k: That's true, but that has nothing to do with LVM... that's the filesystem you're talking about |
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| 19:05.21 | tralala | g333k: the physical life of a harddrive is far longer than the moral one so you shouldn't worry |
| 19:05.35 | PerfDave | g333k: Why do you think that LVM doesn't save files contiguously where possible? |
| 19:05.53 | Wyzard | g333k: Fragmentation can lead to seeking which can wear a drive out faster, but modern filesytems are fairly fragmentation-resistant, and LVM won't fragment much unless you do a *lot* of creating/removing/resizing LVs all the time |
| 19:06.18 | tralala | Well, depending on how you create the PEs you might have a very fragmented LVs and files |
| 19:06.24 | g333k | PerfDave, Because the way I'musing it... ie. I had 10G in the LVM then added 10G more, then 20G more from another hdd, and so on |
| 19:06.27 | tralala | PEs and LVs actually |
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| 19:06.49 | Wyzard | g333k: Adding more space doesn't cause fragmentation on the drives that are already present |
| 19:06.56 | PerfDave | g333k: I'm not sure why that would lead to fragmentation any more than, say, having a 10Gb ext3 partition and resizing it later. |
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| 19:08.18 | g333k | Wyzard, PerfDave , I was thinking of doing a full backup.. and then Redefine my LVM with more order |
| 19:08.39 | Wyzard | g333k: It's possible to have a file split with part of it on one drive and part on another, but again that's not an LVM problem (it'd happen with RAID too, or any other way of combining several drives) and the additional seeks are negligible |
| 19:08.49 | tralala | g333k: you should be only worried if you add a lot of 5KB non-continuous PEs to a LV. 10GB + another 10GB will only have one non-continuous point |
| 19:09.23 | Wyzard | g333k: Run "lvdisplay -m" as root and look at the "segments" listed for each of your LVs |
| 19:09.56 | Wyzard | g333k: Unless you see more than one or two segments on the same PV for the same LV, you have nothing to worry about |
| 19:10.56 | Wyzard | g333k: and even then, unless you have a *lot* of such segments, it's really not a big deal |
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| 19:11.03 | g333k | Wyzard, I have 4 in /home |
| 19:11.15 | Wyzard | g333k: On the same physical volume? |
| 19:11.25 | Wyzard | g333k: I'm not talking about different segments on different drives |
| 19:11.28 | sparr_ | tralala: I want to make /dev/dsp start playing without a full buffer. I tried using SNDCTL_DSP_POST but it didnt work. |
| 19:11.54 | tralala | sparr_: "without a full buffer"? |
| 19:12.00 | g333k | Wyzard, I have 3 LVs /home /usr and swap... I see 4 segments in /home |
| 19:12.25 | Wyzard | g333k: Each segment says what physical volume it's on |
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| 19:13.09 | g333k | Wyzard, 3 of them are on the hda4 PV and the other in another pv |
| 19:13.31 | tralala | g333k: this means that you can have at most 3 files in /home that will be on more than one segment. It doesn't sound like a problem to me |
| 19:13.38 | Wyzard | g333k: That's not a big deal |
| 19:13.58 | Wyzard | tralala: Not quite true -- that'd only be true if the filesystem never stored any files non-contiguously |
| 19:14.09 | Wyzard | but three fragments isn't a big deal |
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| 19:14.31 | Wyzard | It'd be an issue if you had a lot of little segments so that a large percentage of your files would be non-contiguous on the disk |
| 19:14.33 | g333k | Wyzard, Ok thanks |
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| 19:15.17 | g333k | Wyzard, Since my last hdd died... (without been backuped) I'm worry about this happens again |
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| 19:15.50 | Wyzard | (btw, it's possible to use pvmove to move segments around in a VG, so you can do a sort of manual defragmentation of LVM, but it's slow and very tedious since pvmove isn't meant for that) |
| 19:16.26 | Wyzard | g333k: Having a drive die is a bigger problem... if one of your PVs goes away, any LVs that had a segment on that PV can be corrupted |
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| 19:16.37 | sparr_ | tralala: /dev/dsp waits for its internal buffer to fill up before it starts playing (i think, apparently.) |
| 19:17.03 | tralala | Wyzard: right... The usual linux filesystems are pretty good at saving the files continuously though |
| 19:17.15 | Wyzard | g333k: Ideally you should run LVM on top of a RAID array, instead of just spanning disks with LVM directly, to safeguard against disk failure |
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| 19:18.37 | g333k | Wyzard, ok |
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| 19:20.12 | CanDoo | hello |
| 19:20.34 | CanDoo | i hope there's a program to do what i'm looking to do |
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| 19:20.53 | CanDoo | is thee anything out there. that would provide multidireciotn data between two devices? |
| 19:21.08 | CanDoo | say from one serial port to another |
| 19:21.22 | CanDoo | just passing data between them |
| 19:21.41 | Wyzard | Why not just plug the two devices' serial cables directly together? |
| 19:22.02 | tralala | CanDoo: any terminal emulator with serial port support like minicom |
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| 19:22.48 | CanDoo | i want to pass data between to internal devices |
| 19:22.54 | grendelson | Can anyone please point me to a curretn howto on using a usb camera on Debian? |
| 19:22.56 | ugly | I have two devices configured in my /etc/network/interfaces file - if both devices receive their network configuration via DHCP, how can I specify which one is the default route for outside traffic? |
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| 19:23.26 | grendelson | I have gphot2 working but still have to run as root - any online debian specific doc about permissions.. |
| 19:23.47 | Wyzard | grendelson: Add yourself to the "camera" group |
| 19:23.49 | tralala | CanDoo: what kind of devices? Between the two serial port of the same machine? |
| 19:24.00 | CanDoo | right |
| 19:24.13 | jelly-home | Can I tell update-menu not to sort my custom menu entries? |
| 19:24.15 | Wyzard | grendelson: When udev creates device nodes for things like digital cameras, it uses that group for the device files |
| 19:24.15 | CanDoo | i want to have data come in one serial port and go out the other and vise versa |
| 19:24.19 | grendelson | Wyzard, Ahh I added myself to fuse for gphotofs... |
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| 19:26.00 | grendelson | Wyzard, Thanks added me and mine to that group - when I can log out I'll try again to use gtkam |
| 19:26.01 | tralala | here is what a stuck multimedia button (an app laucher) can do to y our system: 22:27:03 up 5:23, 3 users, load average: 35.61, 45.58, 24.59 |
| 19:26.49 | sparr_ | tralala: i think the problem is more a defect in whatever program you use to interpret that button. |
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| 19:27.49 | tralala | sparr_: this button lauches kmail at a fast repeat rate. TODO: disable the repeat rate for the app launching buttons (if possible) |
| 19:28.32 | sparr_ | tralala: imho youd be better off mapping the button to a script. make the script check if kmail is running. if so do nothing, or better yet focus the existing kmail window |
| 19:28.58 | tralala | sparr_: yep, good idea |
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| 19:30.22 | pst | anyone get totem/xine and vlc both installed in etch? |
| 19:30.32 | pst | they have a conflict and one will remove the other here |
| 19:31.52 | grendelson | Wyzard, et al where do I add the specific Vendor and ProdID of my camera to to get it to chage permissions (no usb.permissions file in etc anymore? |
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| 19:35.44 | JordiGH | Omgwtfbbq, I wouldn't verify the apt key for my MIT mirror. Does this mean I've been teh h4xx0r3d? |
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| 19:37.01 | warpedby0 | hello, i want to install gnome-core on my ppc/etc/testing workstation, when i do apt-get install gnome-core i get: gnome-core: Depends: yelp (>= 2.14.2) but is not going to be installed |
| 19:37.19 | Wyzard | warpedby0: "apt-get install yelp" to find out why |
| 19:38.25 | warpedby0 | the following packages have unmet dependencies. yelp: Depends: libxul0d but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:38.43 | Wyzard | apt-get install libxul0d |
| 19:38.43 | Wyzard | etc. |
| 19:39.04 | JordiGH | warpedby0: You're not mixing distributions, are you? |
| 19:39.09 | warpedby0 | no |
| 19:39.11 | Wyzard | You'll get to a point where you get a more specific message about why something couldn't be installed |
| 19:39.20 | warpedby0 | then it says it depends on a version libcario |
| 19:39.22 | JordiGH | warpedby0: Also, try using aptitude instead of apt-get. Aptitude will offer solutions. |
| 19:39.30 | warpedby0 | ok |
| 19:39.54 | JordiGH | warpedby0: aptitude install gnome-core |
| 19:41.36 | warpedby0 | that apparantly works |
| 19:41.42 | JordiGH | Fire away, then. :-) |
| 19:42.09 | warpedby0 | but isn't it because a package maintainer fcked something up |
| 19:42.22 | JordiGH | Could be. |
| 19:42.30 | JordiGH | But there could be other reasons. :-/ |
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| 19:43.05 | Madeye | any alternative to webmin on debian ? |
| 19:43.15 | JordiGH | !info webmin |
| 19:43.24 | JordiGH | Uh... what's webmin? |
| 19:44.24 | azeem | &info webmin stable |
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| 19:44.35 | azeem | too bad |
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| 19:45.26 | streuner | JordiGH: webmin is a way to easily shoot yourself into foot, well its not anymore in debian. |
| 19:45.27 | JordiGH | Will the bootsplash-debian-theme package give me a bootsplash? No kernel patching necessary? |
| 19:45.40 | JordiGH | streuner: What was it supposed to do? |
| 19:45.48 | azeem | W: Unable to locate package bootsplash-debian-theme |
| 19:46.11 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yet another gui for complete system administration |
| 19:46.20 | streuner | JordiGH: many things, usually a frontend in brower to configure many things like squid, popserver etc. etc. |
| 19:46.27 | Madeye | streuner, jelly any alternative to webmin ? |
| 19:46.46 | streuner | Madeye: §editor config-file? |
| 19:46.47 | JordiGH | azeem: Forgive the dyslexia. bootslpash-theme-debian |
| 19:47.21 | jelly-home | Madeye: not that I know of, sorry. If you know an alternative to usermin, let me know. ;-) |
| 19:47.23 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Like those KDE apps? |
| 19:47.47 | JordiGH | KControl, Kinfocenter, etc. |
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| 19:48.58 | streuner | ravenbird, webmin |
| 19:48.59 | ravenbird | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it! |
| 19:49.04 | jelly-home | JordiGH: This one is web based, and used to configure various daemons/services. |
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| 19:50.15 | VIm_Enforcer | hello |
| 19:50.19 | VIm_Enforcer | one little q |
| 19:50.27 | jelly-home | q |
| 19:50.27 | p3rti | hi |
| 19:50.30 | JordiGH | Eh? Is dpkg on vacation again? |
| 19:50.30 | VIm_Enforcer | i burned a sarge 3.1 |
| 19:50.34 | tralala | !q |
| 19:50.35 | dpkg | somebody said q was C * V, or quadra |
| 19:50.38 | VIm_Enforcer | and it won't boot |
| 19:50.54 | VIm_Enforcer | just won't. :| |
| 19:50.55 | p3rti | someone know a graphical software to change TwinView option easy... |
| 19:51.05 | VIm_Enforcer | it |
| 19:51.07 | tralala | VIm_Enforcer: have you verified the checksums of the image before burning it? And after? |
| 19:51.17 | VIm_Enforcer | it's a DVD, btw |
| 19:51.17 | JordiGH | VIm_Enforcer: That's strange. Tried another machine? |
| 19:51.26 | VIm_Enforcer | JordiGH: i |
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| 19:51.32 | VIm_Enforcer | sorry, damn enter |
| 19:51.34 | VIm_Enforcer | brb |
| 19:51.51 | grendelson | p3rti, I've always edited my TV settings byhand - sorry -I've never heard of aa GUI... |
| 19:52.01 | p3rti | grendelson, ok.. np :) |
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| 19:52.35 | p3rti | grendelson, did you know if i can put one monitor to work with a X Session and another with other X Session. |
| 19:53.15 | grendelson | p3rti, I believe you can - I've always used one large desktop but have different size settings since they are different sized monitors.. |
| 19:53.22 | Io2 | hallo.. i've got a problem, /var/lib/dpkg/status is gone.. tried using status-old but it wasn't a good decision. is there anything i can do to fix that and make APT usable again? |
| 19:53.30 | grendelson | All the differetn options are in the doc/Nvidia docs. |
| 19:53.54 | grendelson | I have to keep referring to tehm when I want to make a chage... But the settings I have now I've been running for years I thik |
| 19:53.54 | streuner | ravenbird, status |
| 19:53.55 | ravenbird | Since Thu Aug 24 10:20:03 2006, there have been 0 modifications, 4 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 2d 9h 33m 52s this session, and currently reference 20852 factoids. I'm using about 23932 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 606.66/40.36 child 0.12/0.27 |
| 19:54.09 | grendelson | Just have to edit when I swap monitors or change from rt to left etc... |
| 19:54.16 | streuner | Io2: dselect update |
| 19:54.26 | p3rti | grendelson, thanks. |
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| 19:54.30 | p3rti | grendelson, :) |
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| 19:54.41 | kollo15 | make: `ts' is up to date. |
| 19:54.48 | kollo15 | what does this mean, and how to fix it? |
| 19:54.57 | Io2 | hm.. |
| 19:55.04 | streuner | Io2: or just run 'apt-get update' |
| 19:55.09 | Io2 | i ran.. |
| 19:55.14 | Io2 | but it didn't help. |
| 19:55.28 | Io2 | that's actually the only command of apt-get still working |
| 19:55.37 | pantalaimon | is it possible to run windows (that is already installed on another partition) from linux? |
| 19:55.50 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: I think vmware does this? |
| 19:55.58 | streuner | Io2: sounds something else is wrong too |
| 19:56.06 | Wyzard | It's possible with VMware, but tricky to set up |
| 19:56.10 | Io2 | hm. |
| 19:56.25 | asg | kollo15: it means that whatever ts depends on hasn't been touched since you last ran make(1) |
| 19:56.25 | streuner | check your FS then |
| 19:56.27 | Io2 | probably, my /var partition got a bad crash recently... |
| 19:56.31 | Io2 | already did. |
| 19:56.38 | Io2 | now it's okay, says fsck. |
| 19:56.52 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Also, wine can usually be coaxed to run a variety of things from Windows. What do you need Windows for anyways, curious? |
| 19:57.10 | kollo15 | asg; how to fix it |
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| 19:57.26 | streuner | JordiGH: games |
| 19:57.43 | Io2 | tho, the only error apt reports is that /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:57.45 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, yes... im just curious if i can do it |
| 19:57.46 | Io2 | is not found. |
| 19:57.57 | asg | kollo15: there's nothing to fix. The dependancies haven't changed so whatever 'make' created is as recent and complete as can be. |
| 19:58.09 | asg | kollo15: what are you doing anyway? |
| 19:58.10 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, qemu cant be used to do this? |
| 19:58.24 | kollo15 | asg; can i PM u ? |
| 19:58.32 | streuner | Io2: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:58.39 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: I think wine can do it. Is it for games? I've managed to get a few games to play with wine. |
| 19:58.43 | asg | kollo15: no, keep it in channel |
| 19:58.48 | Io2 | streuner, "file not found", like i said :/ |
| 19:58.52 | Io2 | it's not there. |
| 19:58.53 | JordiGH | streuner: Wesnoth! :D |
| 19:59.30 | streuner | Io2: ok, and 'dselect update' doesn't create that file? |
| 19:59.31 | kollo15 | i am making some files for a program that i had but i havent used it for long time, when i type make all it says make: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
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| 19:59.37 | Io2 | and using status-old (which exists) is not a good idea. i got a LONG list of dependencies complains and packages that wouldn't be installed. |
| 19:59.42 | Io2 | streuner, no. |
| 19:59.56 | streuner | Io2: create it by hand then |
| 19:59.58 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, could be for games, i havent tried it yet. but wine can boot the entire os too? |
| 20:00.00 | omi | How can I get IPAQ talking through USB port to my PC? |
| 20:00.25 | streuner | Io2: touch /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 20:00.29 | Io2 | did it.. |
| 20:00.39 | Io2 | seems to have worked.. |
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| 20:00.46 | kollo15 | asg; make: *** No rule to make target `tulling'. Stop. |
| 20:00.56 | Io2 | it got info from available.. |
| 20:01.19 | Io2 | but just a question. in case dpkg borks seriously, is there a way to recover it without reinstalling the whole system? |
| 20:01.21 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: As I understand it, wine just hacks it so that applications that do Windows API calls can do them from Wine. I think Wine uses the actual Windows DLLs to accomplish this. As for booting the system, no, that's not what it's for. |
| 20:01.38 | JordiGH | Io2: Try aptitude -f install |
| 20:01.40 | streuner | Io2: backup :-) |
| 20:01.52 | streuner | Io2: restore from backup :-) |
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| 20:02.21 | Io2 | streuner, i was hoping for a "reinstall only dpkg" :/ but that works too, yeah.. |
| 20:02.32 | Io2 | in the expense of a lots of DVD-Rs but yeah :P |
| 20:02.45 | hobophobe | For some reason /dev/md0 won't automount from an fstab entry? |
| 20:03.36 | streuner | Io2: the base-system isn't that big, its mostly some "other" stuff ;-) |
| 20:04.02 | streuner | and that's usually in /home :-) |
| 20:04.03 | hobophobe | /dev/md0 /home/files ext3 defaults 0 0 << this is my fstab entry... yet mount /dev/md0 /home/files works fine? |
| 20:04.21 | Io2 | well, phew. since apt lives again, i will take my time for another question.. do anyone know of a good documentation about how to get GLX working with ATI (more specifically, Radeon Mobility 7500 videocard), since i am a sucker for that billiards game? :D |
| 20:04.30 | Io2 | streuner, hehe, true |
| 20:04.34 | swamptoo | im having issues with ndiswrapper |
| 20:04.48 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, qmeu can boot windows from linux but you must install windows again? |
| 20:04.51 | sid | swamptoo: /join #ndiswrapper |
| 20:04.54 | swamptoo | when i do 'modprobe ndiswrapper' u get |
| 20:04.55 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, qemu* |
| 20:05.17 | amphi | Io2: I have that card, it works well with the xorg driver |
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| 20:05.44 | Io2 | amphi, i got it working just *once*. on another install, nothing i would do would get it on the go. |
| 20:05.54 | amphi | heh |
| 20:05.55 | hobophobe | Or is the mountpoint/mounting supposed to be handled by mdadm? |
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| 20:06.03 | Io2 | it'd be either slow or would not work at all |
| 20:06.16 | amphi | Io2: you have the requisite kernel modules loaded? |
| 20:06.29 | JordiGH | hobophobe: tried changing defaults to defaults,auto ? |
| 20:06.29 | Io2 | "foobillard" is the game.. |
| 20:06.45 | hobophobe | I'll try that. |
| 20:06.45 | Io2 | amphi, i have the kernel from debian's repository |
| 20:06.50 | hobophobe | brb |
| 20:06.55 | Io2 | now, the modules.. |
| 20:06.57 | Io2 | which are they? |
| 20:07.38 | amphi | Io2: here, I have agpgart, intel_agp, drm, and radeon |
| 20:07.48 | Io2 | hm |
| 20:07.50 | Io2 | lemme lsmod.. |
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| 20:08.29 | jelly-home | pantalaimon: it's possible to make qemu use physical disk and boot an OS from it but it's not recommended. Also, windows will have a hard time being run completely different (emulated) hardware. |
| 20:08.34 | Io2 | hm.. none of them loaded.. |
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| 20:08.44 | Io2 | and i think it's a bad thing when "modprobe" is a "command not found" |
| 20:08.58 | amphi | Io2: you are root? |
| 20:09.00 | Cillian | Does anybody know if debootstrap does anything system dependant? I.e. can I debootstrap on one machine then just copy it all over? |
| 20:09.24 | streuner | Io2: well, seems the crash fucked your whole system then |
| 20:09.32 | Io2 | good point. i was typing in the wrong shell... |
| 20:09.37 | streuner | oh |
| 20:09.42 | amphi | Io2: the intel_agp module is a mobo-chipset specific module, I believe, it may not be suitable for you |
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| 20:09.47 | Io2 | yay for having 12 xterms opened |
| 20:09.54 | Cillian | :D |
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| 20:10.31 | Io2 | amphi, probably. it's a Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop. everything is intel here.. |
| 20:10.37 | jelly-home | Io2: virtual desktop support with named "workspaces" might be your friend if you have lots of terminals. |
| 20:10.38 | Io2 | so, yeah.. |
| 20:10.46 | hobophobe | No dice. The boot error is 96, not sure if that helps |
| 20:10.59 | amphi | Io2: so try those modules |
| 20:11.15 | Io2 | jelly-home, i get lost with them too. very lost... :P |
| 20:11.33 | amphi | Io2: you could look at linux-laptop.net and/or tuxmobil.org for tips |
| 20:11.34 | Io2 | jelly-home, the only solution for myself is learning about organisation. |
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| 20:12.53 | Io2 | oo lemme check amphi .. |
| 20:13.04 | ReOli | tudo bem pessoal, preciso carregar a /dev/video0 ? |
| 20:13.27 | JordiGH | !pr |
| 20:13.30 | amphi | !pt |
| 20:13.30 | JordiGH | !br |
| 20:13.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:13.39 | Cillian | O_O |
| 20:13.41 | amphi | heh |
| 20:13.43 | Cillian | Guten tag? |
| 20:13.52 | Cillian | Sprechen Sie deutsch? |
| 20:13.55 | Cillian | :( |
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| 20:14.01 | amphi | !de |
| 20:14.01 | dpkg | hmm... de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:14.01 | JordiGH | heh, I guess no Portuguese use Debian, only Brazillians. :P |
| 20:14.02 | jelly-home | Buona sera! |
| 20:14.08 | Cillian | Oh, cool |
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| 20:14.13 | Cillian | I thought it recognised the langugae for a sec |
| 20:14.14 | Io2 | lol XD |
| 20:14.29 | amphi | Cillian: heh |
| 20:14.33 | JordiGH | Cillian: Romance languages... you've seen one, you've seen 'em all. :P |
| 20:14.40 | Io2 | nah |
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| 20:14.42 | Cillian | It would rock if it did... |
| 20:14.48 | Io2 | romanian's not that easy... |
| 20:14.50 | Cillian | !en |
| 20:14.50 | dpkg | english |
| 20:14.53 | Cillian | !uk |
| 20:14.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uk is great britain, northern ireland, wales and scotland |
| 20:14.56 | Cillian | :P |
| 20:14.58 | Cillian | heh |
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| 20:15.15 | hobophobe | What document will tell what the error code is (mount) |
| 20:15.39 | JordiGH | Romanian has Slavic influences, like French has Celtic, and Spanish/Portuguese have Arabic. Only Latin is the One Romance to rule them all. |
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| 20:16.43 | Io2 | JordiGH, except by the fact it's considered a dead language :/ |
| 20:16.51 | jelly-home | Cillian: well, there is no #debian-uk. One can only imagine the meticulous usage of British English one would have to expect from that hypotethic channel. |
| 20:16.59 | Cillian | :) |
| 20:17.06 | Io2 | Italian, on the other hand... |
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| 20:17.39 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.54 | Cillian | Lets all go learn esperanto :P |
| 20:18.04 | Io2 | ew esperanto :/ that's bad salad |
| 20:18.04 | JordiGH | s/would be/were. Stupid subjunctive mood of English. :P |
| 20:18.06 | amphi | ugh |
| 20:18.13 | Cillian | salad!? |
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| 20:18.19 | Io2 | yes.. |
| 20:18.37 | JordiGH | Esperanto is a hodgepodge of European languages. |
| 20:18.39 | jelly-home | JordiGH: what's wrong with English, pray tell? |
| 20:18.40 | freeone3000 | I have the really slick screensaver glx package installed. |
| 20:18.49 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It's associated with the US. |
| 20:19.01 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Do you have further questions? :P |
| 20:19.04 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I beg to differ, old chap! |
| 20:19.11 | freeone3000 | However, when KDE decides it's screensaver time, the screen goes blank, but no overpowered useless glx acceleration that totally pwnz my system happens. |
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| 20:19.14 | freeone3000 | Why not? |
| 20:19.16 | brekil | hello |
| 20:19.22 | Io2 | hello brekil :) |
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| 20:20.06 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah. English language is imperialistic. People around the world are happy to borrow technical words from Latin or Greek, but then stuff like "sandwich" becomes an issue in French politics. |
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| 20:20.39 | Io2 | well, you can always adapt it. |
| 20:20.41 | Io2 | like we did. |
| 20:20.46 | jelly-home | JordiGH: The French are known for their language preservation policies. |
| 20:20.50 | amphi | JordiGH: htf can a language be imperialistic? |
| 20:20.56 | Io2 | "sanduÃche" for us |
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| 20:21.10 | Io2 | if you can't invent your own version of it |
| 20:21.28 | brekil | It is a erreure or it is done expret which at the time one installs debian sarge from Cd, those appear in the souces.list like unstable? |
| 20:21.44 | brekil | sorry |
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| 20:21.58 | Io2 | brekil, can you rephrase that? |
| 20:22.05 | hobophobe | how do I see the log from boot? |
| 20:22.09 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It's not just the French. People around the world are complaining that English is making their own native languages "dirty". There's a Royal Spanish Academy, the Quebeckers in Canada fighting with the Anglophones... Language is a political issue around the world. |
| 20:22.22 | brekil | Yes sorry |
| 20:22.23 | abrotman | quebecois |
| 20:22.43 | JordiGH | amphi: A language dominates another language, then the people who see this influence of the other language get defensive, because a language is inseparable from culture. |
| 20:22.54 | amphi | JordiGH: I expect it's a political issue for vociferous minorities only |
| 20:23.10 | Io2 | JordiGH, well, that's not actually english language fault, the problem with that is mainly politico-economic. the USA is imperialistic. its language is only one more product it's selling. |
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| 20:23.30 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I fail to see how the usage of English as a lingua franca has any relevance to importing English vocabulary into one's native language. These are two distinct uses. |
| 20:23.47 | Io2 | that jelly-home says is true |
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| 20:23.52 | abrotman | or any relevance to debian |
| 20:23.53 | brekil | I installed debian starting from the cds of debian sarge |
| 20:24.00 | amphi | JordiGH: english has absorbed words from probably every major language on the planet |
| 20:24.04 | JordiGH | jelly-home: No they're not distinct. We need to talk about computers around the world, and it doesn't become a lingua franca anymore. |
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| 20:24.24 | Io2 | brekil, okay, so you have sarge installed. |
| 20:24.29 | JordiGH | amphi: True. And English speakers are happy to do this because they don't feel linguistically threatened, but the reverse about adopting English words doesn't happen. |
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| 20:24.39 | JordiGH | abrotman: Quebecker in English, Quebecois in French. :-) |
| 20:24.45 | amphi | brekil: and there are entries in sources.list that point to the cd drive - is that what you mean? |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | quebecker is not english |
| 20:24.53 | brekil | but in my source.list, it is written unstable |
| 20:25.08 | Io2 | brekil, ah. |
| 20:25.10 | JordiGH | abrotman: I've seen the word "quebecker" in several English-speaking papers of Montréal. |
| 20:25.19 | abrotman | i've never seen it .. anywhere |
| 20:25.25 | JordiGH | abrotman: Time to google. |
| 20:25.26 | amphi | JordiGH: the problem IMHO is people who have delusions about 'purity of language' |
| 20:25.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: have you ever seen the word 'quebecker' ? |
| 20:25.29 | brekil | it is normal? |
| 20:25.37 | pantalaimon | jelly-home, do you know where can i read about booting an os from a physical hd or can you tell me if its not complicated? |
| 20:26.04 | JordiGH | amphi: The problem is that language is tied with national identity and hence with politics. Ask the Irish if they don't think their own language is important, ask the Welsh. |
| 20:26.07 | amphi | JordiGH: english is only the third most widely spoken language, I believe |
| 20:26.25 | jelly-home | pantalaimon: I'm sure it's somewhere in qemu's faq. Maybe ask in #qemu. |
| 20:26.37 | pantalaimon | jelly-home, thx |
| 20:26.43 | amphi | JordiGH: and? |
| 20:26.45 | JordiGH | amphi: By native speakers, perhaps. But it *is* the lingua franca of the world. A Japanese businessman will address a German businessman in English, not Japanese or German. |
| 20:26.54 | Io2 | brekil, it depends.. can you output your sources.list to me in Private? |
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| 20:27.20 | amphi | JordiGH: what's the problem with that? once it was french, in the future it may well be chinese ;) |
| 20:27.27 | Io2 | JordiGH, french used to be like that... |
| 20:27.30 | brekil | how to make this ? |
| 20:27.43 | Io2 | there's nothing wrong with it. |
| 20:27.53 | JordiGH | amphi, Io2: Yes, because the French had an empire of their own. |
| 20:28.08 | Io2 | JordiGH, well, now the USA has one too. The English used to have one too.. |
| 20:28.09 | tralala | For my parent's generation French was teh shite |
| 20:28.16 | Io2 | nothing wrong with that :/ |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | parents generation ? |
| 20:28.21 | amphi | JordiGH: the english empire was far larger, and yet french was the 'international' language |
| 20:28.25 | Io2 | brekil, are you using X? |
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| 20:28.56 | JordiGH | abrotman: Google gives more hits for Quebecer than Quebecker *shrug*. |
| 20:28.56 | tralala | abrotman: yep, 1940s |
| 20:29.11 | brekil | I tested with and without X. |
| 20:29.35 | Io2 | now english took over thanks to USA's heavy presence in international market. everyone will want to speak the language of that one that participates the most. |
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| 20:30.11 | Io2 | brekil, if you're using X, you can just cut and paste from your terminal into a private message window .. |
| 20:30.16 | JordiGH | Io2, amphi: Take for example the Wikipedias (plural). A lot of the non-English Wikipedias have heated discussions in their talk sections about how to translate English terms. It is a political issue around the world. |
| 20:30.22 | amphi | Io2: also native english speakers on the whole tend to be the worst linguists - the anglophones are far more monoglot than others ;) |
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| 20:30.49 | JordiGH | A linguist needn't be a polyglot. |
| 20:30.55 | Io2 | amphi, that's VERY true, but well, then can be that... |
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| 20:31.01 | amphi | JordiGH: sure, but you understand what I mean |
| 20:31.06 | JordiGH | By the way, this isn't only about English, but language is a hot topic around the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_where_language_is_a_political_issue |
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| 20:31.20 | Io2 | amphi, perfectly..... |
| 20:31.47 | Io2 | JordiGH, yeah.. i know it is. |
| 20:32.28 | Io2 | JordiGH, but that problem is not new or exclusive of english, that's the point. |
| 20:32.28 | TiCPU | when using dpkg to install a .deb file, is there a way to speicify it to execute a modified post-install script, or at least, ignore it completely ? |
| 20:32.28 | amphi | JordiGH: people will always find reasons for squabbling - language is probably an inexhaustible one |
| 20:32.28 | Io2 | JordiGH, language's been an old problem in italy, for example. |
| 20:32.30 | jelly-home | Ma va? |
| 20:32.59 | Io2 | get a siciliano with a Milanese for a talk xD |
| 20:33.11 | JordiGH | I forgot what side I was arguing for... but I'd like to just wrap up by saying that it's very important to get Debian translated into other languages. :-) |
| 20:33.12 | amphi | heh |
| 20:33.37 | Io2 | JordiGH, ah yeah. it is! that's the point of Openness :) |
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| 20:33.46 | jelly-home | Io2: if they're both Debianistas, no problem! |
| 20:34.09 | Io2 | jelly-home, yay XD |
| 20:34.32 | DaBlade | Is it difficult to make a binary deb out out of a source code? |
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| 20:34.51 | abrotman | DaBlade: depends on if you can read |
| 20:34.56 | abrotman | !tell DaBlade about mg |
| 20:35.18 | amphi | JordiGH: I agree (WRT translation) |
| 20:35.20 | Io2 | brekil, your sources.list is pretty much clean |
| 20:35.45 | DaBlade | abrotman: As in will it take a lot of time and effort, because I kinda got some other stuff to do too. |
| 20:35.55 | Io2 | brekil, what you want to do? Do you plan to use sarge, or upgrade to testing or unstable? |
| 20:36.03 | abrotman | DaBlade: well .. since i have no idea what the software is .. i can't tell you |
| 20:36.09 | DaBlade | cpuinfo |
| 20:36.20 | abrotman | isn't that packaged already? |
| 20:36.37 | brekil | I have dowload the sarge's dvd |
| 20:36.38 | DaBlade | Not the latest version that came out today |
| 20:36.40 | swamptoo | whats easiest way to upgrade the kernel to 2.6 ? |
| 20:37.03 | brekil | i install debian |
| 20:37.06 | abrotman | DaBlade: so it's packaged .. but you want the one from today? |
| 20:37.11 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:37.11 | dpkg | well, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:37.13 | Io2 | brekil, that structure in the source.list seem okay.. it will direct to what it's on the DVD. |
| 20:37.16 | brekil | and i have in my sources.list unstable |
| 20:37.20 | DaBlade | brb |
| 20:37.42 | swamptoo | i want to update my kernel and kde....maybe a total reinstall would be fastest? |
| 20:38.01 | Io2 | je parle un peu le français.. |
| 20:38.08 | azeem | swamptoo: what does uname -r say? |
| 20:38.25 | swamptoo | 2.4.27-2 |
| 20:38.35 | Io2 | brekil, it's normal. don't worry :) |
| 20:38.36 | JordiGH | Io2: You're sending UTF-8 instead of ISO Western European. I can't read your two-byte codes. :-/ |
| 20:38.41 | brekil | then why it is written in my sources.list unstable ? |
| 20:38.59 | Io2 | tho, with that sources, brekil, you won't be able to upgrade from the web |
| 20:39.03 | brekil | It is normal . |
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| 20:39.17 | Io2 | brekil, it's like that probably because of how the DVD was made |
| 20:39.22 | Io2 | that i don't know |
| 20:39.33 | Io2 | JordiGH, what code of ISO are you using? |
| 20:39.39 | azeem | swamptoo: not 2.4.27-2-386 or something? odd. |
| 20:39.43 | abrotman | did he paste his sources ? |
| 20:39.52 | swamptoo | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:39.55 | azeem | heh |
| 20:40.06 | swamptoo | yea that |
| 20:40.07 | azeem | swamptoo: so apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 20:40.21 | JordiGH | 88591, I think. |
| 20:40.23 | abrotman | or one closer to your CPU model |
| 20:40.45 | brekil | ok tanks Io2 |
| 20:40.53 | Io2 | brekil, you're welcome :) |
| 20:40.54 | JordiGH | Io2: 88591, that was for you. :-) |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | brekil: can you paste your sources ? |
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| 20:41.20 | brekil | :) |
| 20:41.27 | JordiGH | UTF is a great idea, but why won't anyone use it? |
| 20:41.37 | WillyWortel | I screwed up a file. Is it possible to get back a "fresh" ( original ) /etc/network/interfaces trough apt-get or some other way? |
| 20:41.47 | Io2 | no idea |
| 20:41.49 | Io2 | i use it. |
| 20:41.54 | valdyn | WillyWortel: apt-get install etherconf and use that program |
| 20:41.58 | jair | hello guys |
| 20:42.04 | jair | sergino: hello estas ahi? |
| 20:42.09 | Io2 | since i speak japanese portuguese and english and i like having them working all together |
| 20:42.13 | WillyWortel | Valdyn: I try... |
| 20:42.28 | valdyn | !backup |
| 20:42.28 | dpkg | hmm... backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 20:42.38 | brekil | http://pastebin.ca/150367 |
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| 20:43.19 | JordiGH | Io2: The only non-Western European language I use is Russian, and it's pretty much standard to use KOI-8 for Russian instead of UTF-8. :-/ |
| 20:43.42 | abrotman | brekil: those don't matter .. i have no idea how old that DVD was .. but just use apt-setup to get correct sources |
| 20:43.51 | Io2 | russian, i was getting to learn that once. but i didn't have good use for it. so i ended up forgetting it all... |
| 20:44.15 | JordiGH | Io2: My main motivation is Russian mathematics and Russian women. |
| 20:44.29 | Io2 | JordiGH, LMAO |
| 20:44.32 | JordiGH | Io2: And Masyanya. :-) http://www.mult.ru |
| 20:44.41 | WillyWortel | valdyn: Can't i just 'recall' the orginal file, wich was installed by the first O.S-installation? |
| 20:44.57 | valdyn | WillyWortel: nope |
| 20:45.16 | WillyWortel | Ok, valdyn thanks. |
| 20:45.20 | swamptoo | azeem: i installed it now how do i use it? |
| 20:45.24 | kollo15 | Loading tulling v2.0-devel-rc2...can't find sys_call_table[], sorry... |
| 20:45.27 | valdyn | WillyWortel: that 'original' file is generated by something not to far different from etherconf |
| 20:45.28 | kollo15 | what this mean? |
| 20:45.29 | azeem | swamptoo: are you using grub? |
| 20:45.35 | swamptoo | yes |
| 20:45.41 | azeem | swamptoo: just reboot and choose it |
| 20:45.47 | swamptoo | ok |
| 20:45.55 | valdyn | WillyWortel: just that it will try dhcp first w/o prompting the user |
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| 20:46.33 | Io2 | ah.. grub.. |
| 20:46.34 | JordiGH | Io2: Laws and computers sounds like a good life. Just ask rms. |
| 20:47.15 | swamptoo | azeem: thank you, can i do the same thing to upgrade KDE ? |
| 20:47.36 | brekil | abrotman, it is unchanged |
| 20:47.36 | abrotman | unless you're on the wrong side of the law .. ask mitnick |
| 20:47.52 | abrotman | brekil: the file is ? /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:47.55 | Io2 | JordiGH, it is. except that no one that knows one seem to know the other good enough. I was doing an idependent research about virtual and applicable legal methods in internet environment, but there's a serious lack of serious resource on the subject |
| 20:48.03 | brekil | yes |
| 20:48.15 | abrotman | brekil: uname -a |
| 20:48.21 | abrotman | brekil: do you have broadband ? |
| 20:49.01 | JordiGH | Io2: Be a trailblazer. Do the research yourself. :-) |
| 20:49.05 | brekil | Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:49.12 | Io2 | JordiGH, i was taking a look at some papers about internet governance |
| 20:49.19 | abrotman | brekil: do you have broadband ? |
| 20:49.44 | Knorrie | brekil: you need some security updates |
| 20:49.45 | Io2 | JordiGH, problem is that in academical world you always need references. and in Laws world that's often Doctrine and/or jurisprudence |
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| 20:50.43 | Io2 | and all there is available is a huge mess about patents, copyrights, cyber crimes, and some atrocities like the EU convention on cybercrimes and the WIPO treaty thing on broadcasting taking all IP over stuff |
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| 20:50.55 | JordiGH | My fellow Debianistas, if I may be forgiven for the sin of installing flashplugin-nonfree, why would deleting stuff from /lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins and /lib/mozilla/plugins make it work? Where is the plugin in that case? |
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| 20:51.25 | brekil | Yes i have a broadband |
| 20:51.35 | valdyn | JordiGH: /usr/lib/.. |
| 20:51.37 | JordiGH | Io2: By the way, is Brazil's legal system modelled on the French like most other places in Latin America? |
| 20:51.38 | Shadowcat | a boardband? |
| 20:51.42 | abrotman | !d-i brekil |
| 20:51.42 | dpkg | brekil, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:51.50 | valdyn | JordiGH: mozilla stuff has no business in /lib |
| 20:51.59 | JordiGH | valdyn: Er, yes, that's what I meant. Forgot the prefix. |
| 20:52.22 | Io2 | JordiGH, brazilian politics and legal system are unique just like its history. but we got a lot borrowed from france. and germany, and italy, and lot of stuff we invented ourselves. |
| 20:52.26 | JordiGH | valdyn: Except that that's where I thought I had installed it, except that I just cleaned out both directories and suddenly I have a working flash plugin. :-/ |
| 20:52.33 | valdyn | JordiGH: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 20:52.54 | abrotman | brekil: or fix your sources .. like http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
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| 20:53.30 | Davey` | has anyone seen this (Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!) in parted and know of a fix that will not lose my data? (I can still access the data) |
| 20:53.45 | Io2 | JordiGH, there are many points in common, but many others we though to be not quite our ideology. french laws sometimes gets too buys defining things, and there's a lot of a romantism in the text of law. not that i blame, france had the history it had.. |
| 20:53.57 | brekil | ok i make this |
| 20:54.01 | brekil | thanks |
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| 20:55.00 | valdyn | Davey`: backup the data |
| 20:55.08 | Davey` | valdyn: this /is/ the backup ;) |
| 20:55.09 | JordiGH | Io2: Hmm... I'm curious to go to Brazil some day. We get lots of invited speakers and researchers from IMPA here. Ever heard of that place? |
| 20:55.28 | valdyn | Davey`: compare it to the original |
| 20:55.41 | Davey` | valdyn: its the drive thats screwed up, not the data |
| 20:55.45 | Io2 | JordiGH, Brazil is so upside down that the one who declared the colony idependent was Portugual's prince. that's like if England's princess would declare the USA an idependent country. |
| 20:56.19 | valdyn | Davey`: s/drive/partition table/ , maybe. If that was the case, just shrink the partititon |
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| 20:56.47 | valdyn | Davey`: but i was assuming that you haven't really verified that that backup is fine |
| 20:56.51 | Io2 | IMPA is the institute of Pure and applied mathematics |
| 20:57.02 | DaBlade | abrotman: Sorry it took so long, my dad occupied the computer. |
| 20:57.08 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 20:57.08 | Io2 | JordiGH, random conversations aint bad :) |
| 20:57.08 | abrotman | hit him |
| 20:57.20 | DaBlade | abrotman: As I was saying, a new version of cpuinfo came out and I wanted to produce a newer .deb for etch for it. |
| 20:57.42 | dvs | abrotman: no, it's "finish him" |
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| 20:57.53 | abrotman | DaBlade: that package doesn't exist |
| 20:58.03 | JordiGH | Io2: I know absolutely nothing about Brazilian history. Europeans got there, killed natives, brought black slaves, became an independent country, and now people dance samba sometimes. That's the extent of my knowledge. :-( |
| 20:58.05 | DaBlade | abrotman: An old one does on KDE-Apps |
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| 20:58.17 | go1dfish | just set up testing for the first time (had been running sarge) |
| 20:58.22 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 20:58.29 | go1dfish | how do I instally/switch to the amd64 xen kernel? |
| 20:58.30 | abrotman | !find cpuinfo etch |
| 20:58.37 | wwalker | OK, I just installed debian stable how do I switch to testing or unstable? Or should I go back and jsut reinstall from a different install media? |
| 20:58.42 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.42 | DaBlade | Ooh |
| 20:58.45 | DaBlade | It's been updated |
| 20:58.49 | DaBlade | But for Sid, not Etch |
| 20:58.50 | abrotman | !tell wwalker about sarge->etch |
| 20:58.54 | Io2 | JordiGH, brazilian history is an amazing thing. simply because sometimes the unbelieveable happens. but yeah, overall that's about it XD |
| 20:58.55 | dvs | wwalker: why do you want to switch? |
| 20:59.06 | wwalker | dvs need glade-3 |
| 20:59.09 | JordiGH | wwalker: Just change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing or untable and do aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:59.10 | go1dfish | i did apt-get install linux-image-xen-amd64-k8 |
| 20:59.18 | dvs | wwalker: is it in backports? |
| 20:59.21 | wwalker | JordiGH thx |
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| 20:59.32 | go1dfish | but update-grub isn't picking it up |
| 20:59.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: don't tell people that |
| 20:59.38 | abrotman | wwalker: read what dpkg told you |
| 20:59.51 | Io2 | JordiGH, like, i remember something like a 300% inflation rate. and prices would change in the supermarket three times a day. |
| 20:59.59 | wwalker | dvs don't know, I'm trying debian because one of my devs says everything is always available in debian |
| 21:00.00 | Io2 | yet people managed to survive.. |
| 21:00.03 | Kernel-Kris | anyone created a binary for dovecot ? 1.0RCX ? |
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| 21:00.12 | jelly-home | DaBlade: sid and etch currently have the same version of kde so you shouldn't have trouble installing a package from sid. If you don't want to do that, follow the "simple sid backport" procedure to create a backport. |
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| 21:00.42 | JordiGH | abrotman: Oh. I should have mentioned aptitude update and about the risks of changing distros? |
| 21:00.54 | DaBlade | jelly-home: No I already compiled it, that's not the problem |
| 21:01.11 | DaBlade | jelly-home: Thing is, not too long ago there wasn't a Debian package for this version of the app at all. |
| 21:01.16 | JordiGH | Io2: That's happened in other countries, most notably, .mx here. |
| 21:01.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: no .. just don't tell people to track testing if they don't understand what that maens .. and never tell anyone how to get unstable .. if they don't know .. they shouldn't be using it |
| 21:02.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: Kay.... |
| 21:02.18 | Io2 | JordiGH, yeah.. but people here likes to sing and dance, yer right. |
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| 21:02.52 | JordiGH | It turns out that I have /usr/local/firefox. That means I probably installed it without apt sometime in the past. How can I tell which one is the one I'm actually executing? Does whereis list binaries in the order that they get searched in the path? |
| 21:03.00 | PerfDave | IYHTAYS |
| 21:03.22 | rhalff | if one usb device is recognized and I put in a wireless usb stick, that blinks it's lights, but isn't even showing up in lsusb, does it mean the stick is broken ? |
| 21:03.23 | JordiGH | !iyhtays |
| 21:03.23 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 21:03.32 | JordiGH | Hm, I thought I had put that in my wtf file... |
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| 21:03.51 | freegan-bh | Having serious problems with pivot_root and chroot. Can someone help? |
| 21:04.03 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 21:04.03 | dpkg | devconsole is probably http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 21:04.26 | go1dfish | nobody knows how to switch kernels in etch? |
| 21:04.30 | jelly-home | freegan-bh: just ask your question (and hope) |
| 21:04.37 | abrotman | go1dfish: to what? |
| 21:04.50 | Io2 | go1dfish, install a new kernel.. once it's installed the new one will appear in grub when you boot :) |
| 21:04.54 | go1dfish | I did apt-get install linux-image-xen-amd64-k8 |
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| 21:05.00 | go1dfish | it's showing up in /boot |
| 21:05.04 | go1dfish | but update-grub isn't finding it |
| 21:05.07 | JordiGH | Oy. I *am* executing the /usr/local/firefox. That's the first one in my path. But its plugin directories is empty, so, like, wtf? |
| 21:05.16 | wwalker | where/how would I check to see what versions of an app are available via sarge/etch/etc without a machine setup for a given dist? |
| 21:05.30 | go1dfish | rebooting didn't help |
| 21:05.37 | valdyn | wwalker: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 21:05.37 | PerfDave | wwalker: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 21:05.39 | abrotman | wwalker: pa |
| 21:05.40 | chkbsd | hi |
| 21:05.40 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:05.41 | chkbsd | knows any how to solv the problem with stunnel .. when some connects from inet to my stunneled ircd .. then his hostmask is <name>@localhost |
| 21:05.46 | JordiGH | wwalker: packages.debian.org |
| 21:05.49 | wwalker | thx |
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| 21:06.47 | swamptoo | Q: how do i upgrade to kde 3.5.4 ? |
| 21:06.58 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 21:06.59 | go1dfish | abrotman, Io2 any ideas what might be causing that? |
| 21:07.09 | valdyn | swamptoo: have you looked at http://www.backports.org/ ? |
| 21:07.09 | abrotman | nerp |
| 21:07.19 | dvs | nerp? |
| 21:07.26 | brekil | thanks for all and good night |
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| 21:07.38 | swamptoo | valdyn: not yet :o |
| 21:07.49 | Io2 | go1dfish, no idea. something seem problematic with grub-update |
| 21:07.59 | Io2 | i never ran it manually tho, after installing a new kernel.. |
| 21:08.01 | abrotman | doesa lilo.conf exist ? |
| 21:08.16 | go1dfish | Io2: I didn't run it manually until after a reboot |
| 21:08.23 | go1dfish | when I noticed it didnt update normally |
| 21:08.38 | abrotman | /etc/lilo.conf ? |
| 21:08.43 | DaBlade | What seems like the most likely temperature of an AMD Athlon XP? 44*C, 32*C or 22*C? |
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| 21:08.50 | jelly-home | 44 |
| 21:08.52 | abrotman | 2! |
| 21:08.55 | DaBlade | Okay |
| 21:08.59 | Io2 | go1dfish, if i knew how to add entries manually to grub... |
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| 21:09.10 | Io2 | but i am not sure of how :/ |
| 21:09.15 | JordiGH | I do know. |
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| 21:09.27 | go1dfish | Io2: yeah, I know how, I was just trying to avoid that so automatic updates work etc... |
| 21:09.28 | JordiGH | goldfish: Got to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:09.28 | abrotman | go1dfish: does /etc/lilo.conf exist ? |
| 21:09.35 | fasta | I need to do dpkg --configure -a, but when I do that, the system goes in a loop. How can I break the loop? |
| 21:09.40 | JordiGH | Oy, never mind. abrotman is on the case. |
| 21:09.40 | abrotman | JordiGH: it should happen automatically |
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| 21:09.44 | Io2 | go1dfish, well, it doesn't seem to have worked... |
| 21:09.48 | jelly-home | DaBlade: ask google for "44C to F" if you're more versed in the Fahrenheit scale |
| 21:09.55 | go1dfish | heh, it worked after symlinking vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-xen-amd64-k8 to vmlinuz |
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| 21:10.02 | go1dfish | then update grub was able to pick it up |
| 21:10.11 | Io2 | 44C must be past 100F. |
| 21:10.11 | DaBlade | jelly-home: Why would I be interested in having it in fahrenheit when I live in Europe? ;) |
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| 21:10.20 | fasta | It has problems with: texlive-lang-* |
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| 21:10.27 | wwalker | so, packages.debian.org tells me that glade3 isn't available yet in testing or unstable. is there a "bleeding edge"? |
| 21:10.35 | abrotman | wwalker: are you sure? |
| 21:10.44 | fasta | wwalker: experimental otherwise |
| 21:10.48 | abrotman | oh .. i see only glade2 |
| 21:11.06 | abrotman | and glade3 is in experimental |
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| 21:11.49 | mfrisch | anyone no a howto on setting up exim to use gmail? |
| 21:12.00 | mfrisch | know |
| 21:12.01 | PerfDave | To use gmail how? |
| 21:12.36 | mfrisch | for sending through their server |
| 21:12.59 | PerfDave | Outgoing mail? |
| 21:13.05 | wwalker | abrotman where did you look to find experimental? |
| 21:13.06 | go1dfish | hmm trying to boot it gave me invalid executable format |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=glade |
| 21:13.33 | wwalker | and what do I replace etch with to go to experimental |
| 21:13.46 | PerfDave | wwalker: You can't |
| 21:13.47 | abrotman | uhm .. stuff in experimental can be very broken |
| 21:13.52 | PerfDave | Experimental is not a full distro |
| 21:13.52 | mfrisch | PerfDave: yes I guess relaying through their's or authenticating or both |
| 21:14.05 | jelly-home | DaBlade: in case you're asking because the program gives it in celsius and you have no idea what it meant |
| 21:14.06 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 21:14.06 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference |
| 21:14.19 | PerfDave | mfrisch: Well, how do you relay mail through gmail? SMTP? SSL? password auth? |
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| 21:15.06 | mfrisch | PerfDave: give me a sec |
| 21:15.08 | jelly-home | PerfDave: smtp auth |
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| 21:15.28 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Then mfrisch should read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH |
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| 21:16.10 | wwalker | abrotman: PerfDave: thx. I have installed a standalone, isolated machine for the sole purpose of loading and testing glade3. |
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| 21:16.26 | JordiGH | I wonder... |
| 21:16.27 | JordiGH | !thx |
| 21:16.27 | dpkg | THX (C) is the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified) |
| 21:16.39 | abrotman | JordiGH: you could /msg the bot |
| 21:16.50 | JordiGH | Keep getting lazy, sorry. :-/ |
| 21:17.01 | mfrisch | jelly-home: is that what I should do? |
| 21:17.29 | jelly-home | mfrisch: I think so, but haven't tested it |
| 21:18.17 | wwalker | I can't find the "Developer's Reference" any pointers? |
| 21:18.20 | mfrisch | jelly-home: I also can use RR's, I will try both! ;-) |
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| 21:19.22 | wwalker | nm, found an "experimental distribution" link that took me into the manual. still no idea how to navigate to it though |
| 21:19.49 | abrotman | !tell wwalker about pinning |
| 21:19.54 | abrotman | wwalker: you really really want to read that |
| 21:20.17 | fasta | wwalker: apt-get install debian-reference (with or without the dash, I thought with) |
| 21:20.22 | pickcoder_away | gah.. I'm getting bad latency with Digi Realport and the scales |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | i blame the pick programmer |
| 21:20.49 | swamptoo | valdyn: K i setup the backports now what do i do to get newest KDE, i dont see 3.5.4 anywhere in synaptic |
| 21:20.55 | pickcoder_away | 15 second response for a 19.2K serial line |
| 21:21.06 | pickcoder_away | I have a feeling it's the smp kernel |
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| 21:23.23 | abrotman | so try a non-smp kenrel |
| 21:23.33 | fasta | About the only thing that annoyns me about apt or dpkg is that it has a mind of its own... How do I tell dpkg to remove texlive-lang-ukenglish? I did dpkg --force-all -r texlive-lang-ukenglish, and I got that the post removal script had an error. |
| 21:23.53 | pickcoder_away | doing that now. gotta wait for stuff to shut down |
| 21:23.55 | abrotman | use apt-get remove |
| 21:24.05 | fasta | abrotman: I tried that before |
| 21:24.10 | abrotman | fasta: and stop forcing stuff .. that's how you break a system |
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| 21:25.13 | krassy | i want my shell script to run at startup, the job of this script is to bring up my netw. interfaces , set ip addresses , static routes , rules for policy routing and more .Please someone tell me what priority i must set to this script before S40 or after ..? |
| 21:25.21 | PerfDave | fasta: Why not "apt-get remove texlive-lang-ukenglish"? And don't use testing / unstable if you don't want postrm script bugs. |
| 21:25.33 | JordiGH | krassy: After. S90, I'd say. |
| 21:25.34 | PerfDave | krassy: Don't do it with an init script, do it with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:25.38 | abrotman | krassy: what's wrong with /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:26.03 | JordiGH | Oh, it's for networking. Didn't read carefully enough. |
| 21:26.11 | abrotman | no kidding .. shocker |
| 21:26.25 | fasta | PerfDave: because it doesn't work. I get script errors. |
| 21:26.39 | Io2 | JordiGH, you're not the only one who doesn't read everything carefully enough, don't worry :P |
| 21:26.43 | abrotman | fasta: show us the errors instead of forcing stuff |
| 21:27.03 | PerfDave | fasta: So don't use testing / unstable, or check the BTS, or fix the errors |
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| 21:27.27 | fasta | PerfDave: I can't switch back to stable. |
| 21:27.32 | fasta | PerfDave: I would if I could. |
| 21:27.34 | abrotman | so fix the errors |
| 21:27.45 | PerfDave | fasta: So check the BTS, or fix the errors. Or reinstall. |
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| 21:27.58 | fasta | PerfDave: I have already checked the BTS |
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| 21:28.36 | PerfDave | fasta: have you reported the bug? Can you tell us what errors you're getting? |
| 21:28.47 | abrotman | fasta: what is the error ? |
| 21:28.59 | wwalker | abrotman: wrt pinning, thx. interesting. for this deployment, I'm upgrading to unstable and then using experiemtnal only to get the one package installed. BUt if this works and I do anything else, I'll certainly have to use pinning. |
| 21:29.02 | fasta | PerfDave: I was running it using LANG=C to show the error in the last 30 seconds |
| 21:29.03 | dem | where can i get some info on integrating the debian package builde (i already have the debian directory in my build tree and such) with autotools |
| 21:29.07 | wwalker | fasta thx on the docs |
| 21:29.12 | bertinski2 | hey all... |
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| 21:29.25 | bertinski2 | gotta stupid problem |
| 21:29.39 | bertinski2 | made an error in my fstab file... |
| 21:29.44 | bertinski2 | regarding mounting / |
| 21:29.58 | bertinski2 | error=remount-ro |
| 21:29.59 | JordiGH | bertinski2: Oy. So now your system won't boot? |
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| 21:30.10 | fasta | LANG=C is getting ignores by apt... WTF? |
| 21:30.16 | fasta | er ignored |
| 21:30.18 | bertinski2 | no it boots...the fstab file has the error in it |
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| 21:30.35 | [sr] | hi |
| 21:30.37 | bertinski2 | and mounts the root file system ro |
| 21:30.52 | [sr] | does anyone had problems with the new sid mysql 5.0.24 package? |
| 21:31.28 | bertinski2 | was setting up quota and put the grpquota in fstab mispelled.... |
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| 21:31.35 | JordiGH | bertinski2: Remount it rw. mount -o rw,remount /dev/hda1 / (or whichever one is relevant) |
| 21:31.43 | bertinski2 | so that error consequently mounts / read only |
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| 21:31.52 | JordiGH | bertinski2: And after you remount it rw, fix your fstab. |
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| 21:32.04 | bertinski2 | thanks... |
| 21:32.12 | bertinski2 | I figured it would be simple... |
| 21:32.18 | bertinski2 | or hoped |
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| 21:32.53 | jelly-home | fasta: maybe you have some other LC_* variable set |
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| 21:33.54 | fasta | jelly-home: probably it's my fault yes :( |
| 21:34.19 | fasta | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3560 |
| 21:34.22 | dvs | !blame fasta |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | show PerfDave too |
| 21:35.06 | Buch | I have very strange problem with my ext3 partition (its dont show free space correctly). Yesterday i have 10GB free space on my partition and today 30MB. Also i notice that i have one file with size 12TB (after running fsck.ext3 -p -f /dev/hd* his gone. i.e. now its have zero size). but size of free space didnt changed.it has 30MB. also yesterday I switch off my computer as usal |
| 21:35.37 | fasta | PerfDave: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3560 |
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| 21:35.38 | pickcoder_away | not the SMP kernel, so it must either be the file system or the tty driver |
| 21:36.03 | fasta | jelly-home: echo $LC_LANG => nothing |
| 21:36.15 | fasta | jelly-home: not set |
| 21:36.15 | JordiGH | Buch: I had that problem a long time ago. Looked like a buffer overflow somewhere. I think I fixed it by repartioning my hard drive. It doesn't actually affect anything, just reported size, right? |
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| 21:36.46 | jelly-home | fasta: set|grep LC_ |
| 21:36.52 | wwalker | abrotman: you said that glade-3 was in experimental. Where do you find the package list for experiemental? apt-cache search (after an update) doesn't show glade-3 |
| 21:36.57 | Buch | <JordiGH> yes |
| 21:37.05 | fasta | jelly-home: that's a handy command, thank you |
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| 21:37.33 | fasta | jelly-home: yes, LC_CTYPE is set. See? My fault :) |
| 21:37.34 | bertinski2 | sr:like what? |
| 21:37.38 | JordiGH | jelly-home: What's the difference betwixt set and env? |
| 21:38.01 | bertinski2 | sr:had some grief logging on |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | wwalker: i found it on packages.debian.org |
| 21:38.23 | [sr] | bertinski2 like "too many connections" when i only have 3/4 of them |
| 21:38.29 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I think set is a builtin, shows every variable, env shows just env. vars |
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| 21:39.10 | PerfDave | fasta: From those errors, I'd suggest that fmtutil-sys failed. Perhaps you should look in /tmp/texlive.fmtutil.* for output. |
| 21:39.11 | bertinski2 | sr:never seen that...possibly a socks problem? |
| 21:39.17 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I see (said the blind man to his deaf wife). |
| 21:39.34 | fasta | PerfDave: I posted that tmp file below it |
| 21:39.41 | abrotman | fasta: it's not in english |
| 21:39.48 | [sr] | bertinski2 well don't know |
| 21:39.52 | wwalker | abrotman: I select experiemental and do a search for glade and glade 3 doesn't show up in the results. |
| 21:40.14 | abrotman | just search for glade |
| 21:40.19 | JordiGH | Buch: No idea, mate. But I think it must be a bug reported somewhere. You said fscking your drive didn't work? |
| 21:40.19 | fasta | abrotman: I know, that's because I used LANG=C and that has no effect when you have some LC_* var set |
| 21:40.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:40.30 | bertinski2 | sr: wish I could help...not the wisest in the nix arena |
| 21:41.01 | fasta | abrotman: How can I override that in the future with this setup? |
| 21:41.06 | PerfDave | fasta: I'd report the bug with that information. |
| 21:41.09 | wwalker | abrotman: sorry, everywhere else I've seen it as glade-3 or glade3 not just glade, so I over looked it thinking that was a really old glad |
| 21:41.12 | wwalker | e |
| 21:41.13 | wwalker | thx |
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| 21:41.16 | abrotman | fasta: eh ... |
| 21:41.17 | bertinski2 | JordiGH: thanks...you saved me major reading in man mount! |
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| 21:41.24 | abrotman | wwalker: ok |
| 21:41.32 | [sr] | bertinski2 tks anyway man |
| 21:41.36 | JordiGH | bertinski2: np |
| 21:41.46 | abrotman | fasta: /tmp/texlive.fmtutil.rVnm7834 |
| 21:41.50 | fasta | abrotman: I know I can just reset that variable to some english language, but setting it to C is easier to remember. |
| 21:42.00 | JordiGH | wwalker: In Debian, usually the package without a version number is the newest. |
| 21:42.02 | fasta | abrotman: that file is included. |
| 21:42.12 | delmar | My logs are filling up with "rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz" messages.. anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:42.28 | bertinski2 | any nameserver gurus care to interject regarding a complex network issue? |
| 21:42.54 | jelly-home | fasta: LANG is more general, LC_ variables override it (if you eg. want only sorting in your local collating sequence but keep everything else from C locale, use LC_COLLATE) see man locale |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [pattern memory=262143]. |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | l.939 .lu6se. |
| 21:43.10 | wwalker | JordiGH: k, thx |
| 21:43.18 | bertinski2 | wanting to host a domain from inside a network that is fire walled and inside a windows domain |
| 21:43.40 | fasta | abrotman: yes, I saw that too. |
| 21:43.40 | wwalker | anyone know of a gui bulder like glade that is cross platform and works? |
| 21:43.42 | bertinski2 | more specifically wanting to host ispconfig inside |
| 21:44.29 | bertinski2 | shouldnt the windows dns be able to refer to the named server? |
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| 21:44.47 | fasta | jelly-home: what is a local collating sequence? (non-native) |
| 21:45.52 | jelly-home | fasta: order in which to sort the alphabet |
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| 21:47.11 | DaBlade | When running configure scripts, to specify where the app should be installed, you need to add --PREFIX=/directory? |
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| 21:48.49 | jelly-home | wtf |
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| 21:48.53 | DaBlade | Spammer |
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| 21:48.56 | dvs | jelly: exactly |
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| 21:49.08 | DaBlade | Flooding with ascii non-art |
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| 21:49.16 | DaBlade | Talk a bit so we destroy the "artwork" |
| 21:49.16 | slklkdjcsu7s | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.17 | abrotman | !ops slklkdjcsu7s |
| 21:49.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: slklkdjcsu7s |
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| 21:49.28 | Malagmyr | slklkdjcsu7s raises an interesting point here... |
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| 21:49.29 | dvs | ahh ignore is nice |
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| 21:49.37 | DaBlade | We need to talk to ruin his crap |
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| 21:49.43 | abrotman | !afo |
| 21:49.43 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 21:49.44 | dvs | yup |
| 21:49.44 | slklkdjcsu7s | \ / | | | | | | | | |
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| 21:49.52 | abrotman | debhelper: hello |
| 21:49.52 | slklkdjcsu7s | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.57 | Malagmyr | I'm all for that! |
| 21:49.59 | Malagmyr | !afo |
| 21:49.59 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 21:50.07 | Malagmyr | ... |
| 21:50.09 | abrotman | slklkdjcsu7s: done now? |
| 21:50.09 | dvs | !dfo |
| 21:50.14 | wwalker | #debian killed slklkdjcsu7s much sooner than the other channels |
| 21:50.22 | jelly-home | slklkdjcsu7s: I find your disregard for people with proportional fonts insulting. |
| 21:50.32 | cydork | wtf?? |
| 21:50.35 | JordiGH | Heh. |
| 21:50.40 | wwalker | jelly-home: ROFL |
| 21:50.57 | JordiGH | Oh, it's a gentoobie. :-) |
| 21:51.03 | abrotman | if he were actually a decent troll .. he'd do it again .. and bring back his gentoo friend |
| 21:51.04 | jelly-home | I can't see his fuck you message in Tahoma, ffs. |
| 21:51.19 | Malagmyr | He needs a big font to make up for his small... you know. |
| 21:51.38 | DaBlade | Malagmyr: I never knew he had a...you know. |
| 21:51.52 | jelly-home | PENIS! |
| 21:51.53 | abrotman | i'm all for banning tor again |
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| 21:52.07 | slklkdjcsu7s | no ban tor i go away |
| 21:52.08 | Malagmyr | DaBlade: but you did suspect it, didn't you? |
| 21:52.10 | DaBlade | abrotman: I'm not. |
| 21:52.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 21:52.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/tor/x-3f0a12117fb7b14e] by azeem |
| 21:52.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
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| 21:52.18 | dvs | yay! |
| 21:52.19 | abrotman | DaBlade: really .. it's mostly used for spammers |
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| 21:52.28 | DaBlade | Yeah, but there are legit users too |
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| 21:52.36 | DaBlade | Myself for instance |
| 21:52.37 | abrotman | DaBlade: sure .. but they aren't usually doing irc |
| 21:52.47 | abrotman | DaBlade: and if you really want to protect your IP .. get a hsotmask |
| 21:52.49 | DaBlade | While I don't use it for IRC, I use it for browsing, and occasionally P2P |
| 21:52.51 | JordiGH | jelly-home won the penis game! |
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| 21:53.01 | abrotman | how nice .. abuse exit nodes for p2p |
| 21:53.04 | DaBlade | I have one. Don't you see? :P |
| 21:53.10 | DaBlade | abrotman: VERY rarely |
| 21:53.13 | cyzie | is there any symlink piont gcc to the latest version? how do i temperary switch to gcc4.0 ? |
| 21:53.18 | DaBlade | I think I only did it once, on a musical albun |
| 21:53.20 | DaBlade | *album |
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| 21:53.29 | JordiGH | cyzie: /etc/alternatives |
| 21:53.36 | Malagmyr | dpkg, tpg is The Penis Game |
| 21:53.36 | dpkg | Malagmyr: okay |
| 21:53.43 | Malagmyr | useless factoid of the day |
| 21:53.47 | abrotman | i don't think gcc is in alternatives |
| 21:54.14 | JordiGH | You're right it isn't. :-/ |
| 21:54.19 | abrotman | nice try though |
| 21:54.24 | jelly-home | cyzie: gcc is indeed a symlink in testing, you can change it yourself. |
| 21:54.31 | cyzie | JordiGH, are you SURE it is in /etc/alternatives? |
| 21:54.33 | abrotman | yay .. fixed libcairo2 |
| 21:54.39 | fasta | !hsotmask |
| 21:54.43 | cyzie | jelly-home, where is it ? |
| 21:54.56 | JordiGH | cyzie: /usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:54.59 | jelly-home | cyzie: where else? /usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:55.02 | abrotman | fasta: see the freenode faq |
| 21:55.15 | JordiGH | cyzie: In general, whereis binary/command/script will tell you where it is. |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | !cookie me |
| 21:55.30 | abrotman | doh |
| 21:55.40 | cyzie | JordiGH, thanks |
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| 21:56.22 | JordiGH | Well, er, not for built-in bash commands it won't, but at least it'll tell you it can't find it anywhere, so you'll know it's a bash command. |
| 21:59.07 | JordiGH | For those edifying internet cartoons. |
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| 21:59.24 | fasta | abrotman: hostmask only is in that document in the context of banning. |
| 21:59.35 | hobophobe | okay, in the future I'll remember to create a journal when using mke2fs |
| 21:59.51 | fasta | abrotman: you probably meant a cloak |
| 21:59.56 | JordiGH | I wonder if I should remove /usr/local/firefox, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox, and reinstall with apt. I've got no idea where the current flash player is being read from, nor why it doesn't have sound. |
| 22:00.02 | abrotman | fasta: same f'in thing |
| 22:00.28 | fasta | abrotman: ok, I didn't know. Sorry |
| 22:00.52 | huhlig | hi hi |
| 22:01.00 | JordiGH | !greet huhlig |
| 22:01.00 | dpkg | Salutations, huhlig |
| 22:01.09 | huhlig | hello JordiGH |
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| 22:02.07 | jelly-home | wtf? An opennap user has downloaded the same song 7 times from me. Maybe his player doesn't have a rewind button? |
| 22:02.21 | hobophobe | Now, it mounts with fstab, but why does it not appear in nautilus among my other disks? |
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| 22:02.32 | bvs | JordiGH, put FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" in your firefoxrc and try |
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| 22:02.50 | bvs | if you got alsa-oss |
| 22:03.36 | JordiGH | bvs: Interesting theory. Let's try it! |
| 22:03.49 | hobophobe | Or maybe better stated, what determines what shows in the sidebar in nautilus? |
| 22:04.12 | JordiGH | bvs: Is that in ~/.firefoxrc ? |
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| 22:06.00 | JordiGH | or /etc/firefox/firefoxrc ? |
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| 22:06.04 | JordiGH | I'm guessing the latter. |
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| 22:06.58 | JordiGH | Hm, still doesn't work. I wonder if arts is to blame. |
| 22:07.06 | freegan-bh | After pivot_root, I cant execute any other commands anymore. Whats wrong? |
| 22:07.57 | JordiGH | ll /dev/dsp |
| 22:08.05 | JordiGH | Er, wrong window. |
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| 22:13.31 | pod-more | hello, got a problem using 'apt-get install g++' |
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| 22:13.46 | pod-more | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y |
| 22:13.46 | pod-more | Err http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org sarge/main libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 22:13.46 | pod-more | 404 Not Found |
| 22:13.46 | pod-more | Failed to fetch http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-amd64/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-22_amd64.deb 404 Not Found |
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| 22:13.59 | JordiGH | pod-more: aptitude update |
| 22:14.08 | blondie | apt-get update |
| 22:14.13 | pod-more | did that |
| 22:14.17 | dvs | dselect update ;-) |
| 22:14.18 | pod-more | dont help |
| 22:14.19 | JordiGH | Or that, yeah. |
| 22:14.45 | pod-more | still the same problem |
| 22:14.58 | dvs | pod-more: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:15.01 | pickcoder | try another mirror |
| 22:15.02 | JordiGH | Kay, it was a KDE problem. I got flash sound now through artsdsp |
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| 22:16.09 | pod-more | dvs: http://nopaste.php-q.net/235135 |
| 22:16.39 | dvs | Oh, I don't know about amd64 |
| 22:16.47 | JordiGH | There was a reason why artsdsp was reviled, wasn't there? |
| 22:17.17 | pod-more | so.. what to do now? |
| 22:17.18 | pod-more | :( |
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| 22:17.34 | jelly-home | JordiGH: it's not worse than non-free flash plugins... |
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| 22:18.05 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I was weak. I wanted instant gratification and the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny. |
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| 22:19.25 | petriborg | i installed that but for whatever reason firefox doesn't even see it |
| 22:19.28 | pickcoder | pod-more: http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 22:19.41 | pod-more | pickcoder: thx just found that :) |
| 22:19.54 | abrotman | did the non-smp kernel fix it ? |
| 22:20.06 | JordiGH | petriborg: I've got a similar situation right now. I think I uninstalled the flash plugin, but it's working whereas it wasn't working when it was installed. :-/ |
| 22:20.20 | pickcoder | abrotman: no.. something funky is going on with the IPC devs that RealPort is using for the scales |
| 22:20.29 | abrotman | i blame pick! |
| 22:20.36 | pickcoder | abrotman: hylafax works perfectly with the same interface though, different device file |
| 22:20.41 | jelly-home | JordiGH: Batman wins, no matter what some false ultimate showdown scenarios say. |
| 22:21.03 | dvs | jelly-home: bite your tougue! |
| 22:21.14 | dvs | jelly: Mr. Rogers rules! |
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| 22:21.16 | pickcoder | abrotman: I'm using the same kernel as my old box and I don't understand why the serial port is lagging on close |
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| 22:21.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's in experimental already |
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| 22:21.29 | jelly-home | dvs: I don't have a tougue, is that a french piece of clothing? |
| 22:21.36 | pickcoder | abrotman: a bash test shows the port returning a response and then it waits about 15 seconds before the serial port closes |
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| 22:21.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: I know! Exciting times. |
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| 22:21.43 | mTec[s]nzk | Hey you fucks!!! |
| 22:21.49 | mTec[s]nzk | Suck my cock!!! |
| 22:21.53 | dvs | jelly-home: I meant touque!!! ;-) |
| 22:22.03 | mTec[s]nzk | Err sorry |
| 22:22.05 | mTec[s]nzk | Typo |
| 22:22.12 | mTec[s]nzk | The keys are like, right next to eachothere |
| 22:22.22 | JordiGH | mTec[s]nzk: That's a bash.org joke. Old one too. |
| 22:22.26 | richard15 | how original |
| 22:22.26 | Io2 | ... |
| 22:22.30 | jelly-home | mTec[s]nzk: We've seen that bash.org quote, too. |
| 22:23.09 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I'm not sure if we should be particularly proud for reading bash.org ;-) |
| 22:23.30 | Io2 | aw, but it's so fun! |
| 22:24.00 | mick_home | can anyone recommend some QA tools to record actions and play them? I'm basically looking for something like selenium ide but for non-web apps |
| 22:24.13 | petriborg | bash is the best |
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| 22:24.31 | Io2 | and we can even fake we're talking about a shell. |
| 22:24.49 | JordiGH | I would imagine that a place like #debian would be more supportive of qdb.us :P |
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| 22:25.12 | JordiGH | FREE MUMIA! |
| 22:25.21 | JordiGH | SAVE THE WHALES! |
| 22:25.22 | petriborg | gdb.us? |
| 22:25.29 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
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| 22:25.44 | petriborg | give me a break i just woke up :p |
| 22:27.17 | abrotman | mick_home: for X ? |
| 22:27.33 | mick_home | yes |
| 22:27.59 | mick_home | QT/GTK... |
| 22:28.03 | abrotman | mick_home: you might want to ask #xorg .. i know there's a desktop recorder .. but it makes movies . not events |
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| 22:28.31 | mick_home | that won't really work on the X level |
| 22:28.34 | typewriter | what is wrong with this crontab entry, '* * * * * /home/user/perlscript' ? |
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| 22:29.00 | abrotman | is the script chmod a+x ? |
| 22:29.15 | typewriter | yes, if i copy the command /home/user/perlscript, it runs fine |
| 22:29.16 | abrotman | and you forgot a user |
| 22:29.22 | Io2 | <donotdothisathome> something fun to try: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp </donotdothisathome> |
| 22:29.31 | typewriter | abrotman: i don't need one i think |
| 22:29.42 | typewriter | since this is a user's crontab |
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| 22:29.46 | typewriter | and not /etc/crontab |
| 22:29.50 | abrotman | no output ? |
| 22:29.50 | mick_home | turn your speakers off first ;) |
| 22:30.10 | Io2 | mick_home, noo, the fun is turning them very high |
| 22:30.10 | abrotman | wouldn't be any fun then |
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| 22:30.20 | Io2 | i did this when my neighbor decided to play eminem at 3 am. |
| 22:30.25 | typewriter | I see it trying to execute the command |
| 22:30.30 | typewriter | thats all i see in the log, no errors |
| 22:30.32 | mick_home | i guess some people like to be annoyed |
| 22:30.34 | mick_home | :) |
| 22:30.51 | Io2 | it made him stop |
| 22:30.58 | abrotman | typewriter: eh .. by chance .. what's the name of the script ? |
| 22:31.12 | typewriter | it's pisg |
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| 22:32.09 | abrotman | can you alter the script to create a file in /tmp/ to see if it actually gets started .. or in that same crontab put a 'touch /tmp/testfile' in it |
| 22:33.01 | pantalaimon | why gparted "resize" menu option is not avaiable even if i unmount? |
| 22:34.51 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: There could be a number of reasons. The type of partition, or that there simply isn't any space to resize it. |
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| 22:37.26 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, it ntfs. id like to get some memory from it... the format, manage flags etc options are avaiable |
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| 22:38.45 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Have you installed ntsfresize? |
| 22:38.59 | JordiGH | ntfsresize |
| 22:39.01 | JordiGH | Y'know what I mean. |
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| 22:40.18 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, hm... no, and i cant find the debian package |
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| 22:40.45 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: ntfsprogs |
| 22:42.22 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, now it works :D |
| 22:42.30 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, thanks |
| 22:42.44 | JordiGH | np :-) |
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| 22:51.04 | robin_sz | hmm .. in iwconfig, it says "mode: manged" for this interface, does that mean its running as an access poitn, rather than ad-hoc? |
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| 22:53.45 | JordiGH | Arrgghh... |
| 22:53.49 | JordiGH | I thought I turned that thing OFF |
| 22:54.38 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, now i get a strange error when gparted tries to resize it... first there is a simulated command and it works fine, then the same command gives an error |
| 22:56.25 | JordiGH | What's the error? |
| 22:57.04 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, during the ntfsresize -P --force --force /dev/hda1 -s 53139898368 command |
| 22:57.24 | JordiGH | --force --force ? o.O |
| 22:57.29 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, the same command with --no-action at the end works |
| 22:57.44 | JordiGH | But the error, what is it? |
| 22:58.03 | pantalaimon | resize the file system (error) |
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| 22:59.49 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, when i tried to resize with the partition magic on windows i got an error as well |
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| 23:01.32 | psychonate | What packages do I need in order to display correctly Asian characters in X? |
| 23:01.52 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Hm, have you fscked the ntfs partition recently? |
| 23:02.09 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Or whatever the Windows command is called. scandisk or chkdsk or something like that. |
| 23:02.31 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, nope |
| 23:02.46 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, just the partition magic |
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| 23:02.57 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: ntfsresize will refuse to work if the partition isn't clean. |
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| 23:03.32 | JordiGH | What's partition magic? Does it run on a mounted partition? |
| 23:04.11 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, i dont think so because it asks to reboot the windows |
| 23:05.00 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Who does? ntfsresize or partition magic? At any rate, I think the simple solution is to boot into that other OS and shut it down cleanly. Let it fsck its partition if it needs to. |
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| 23:06.09 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, the partition magic does |
| 23:06.39 | enouf | pantalaimon: FWIW - (and you are atleast using gparted) be careful if you created those ntfs parts using windoze blista beta 2 and are using 'partman' from the etch beta3 installer - see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20060811 "Known issues" section |
| 23:06.56 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: So do what partition magic says. :-) |
| 23:07.17 | JordiGH | enouf: Is that release already public? |
| 23:07.20 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, i did. i get an error |
| 23:07.25 | petriborg | it will eat you're drive alive and your dog too! |
| 23:07.32 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, i get an error with gparted too |
| 23:07.38 | petriborg | sorry i couldn't resist :-) |
| 23:08.18 | enouf | JordiGH: what the ms stuff ? no clue, but some ppl I'm sure are testing it |
| 23:08.36 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Is the error anything more informative than "Error: error" |
| 23:08.38 | JordiGH | ? |
| 23:09.15 | JordiGH | I guess that in the M$ world you get used to nonsensical errors that do not suggest a solution, eh? |
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| 23:09.42 | JordiGH | So you learn to ignore errors, as they are an.. Act of Gates. |
| 23:10.33 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, let me see a thing here |
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| 23:13.32 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, there are others informations... |
| 23:13.51 | pantalaimon | JordiGH, after this command : ntfsresize -P -i -f -v /dev/hda1 |
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| 23:14.15 | pantalaimon | like |
| 23:14.16 | pantalaimon | You might resize at 48380846080 bytes or 48381 MB (freeing 12108 MB). |
| 23:14.16 | pantalaimon | Please make a test run using both the -n and -s options before real resizing! |
| 23:14.40 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: Are you using ntfsresize from the command line, or is that gparted information? |
| 23:14.50 | pantalaimon | gparted information |
| 23:15.46 | JordiGH | pantalaimon: What is the last message you see when gparted refused to resize your NTFS partition? |
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| 23:16.41 | enouf | pantalaimon: what OS created those ntfs parts .. xp? |
| 23:16.57 | pantalaimon | Updating $Bitmap file ... |
| 23:16.57 | pantalaimon | Updating Boot record ... |
| 23:16.57 | pantalaimon | The read-only test run ended successfully. |
| 23:16.57 | pantalaimon | redimensionar o sistema de arquivos ( ERROR ) |
| 23:16.57 | pantalaimon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:17.10 | petriborg | hehh |
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| 23:17.29 | enouf | pantalaimon: use #flood or pastebin |
| 23:17.32 | JordiGH | !paste |
| 23:17.33 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:17.33 | pantalaimon | :P |
| 23:17.48 | enouf | pantalaimon: what OS created those ntfs parts .. xp? |
| 23:18.19 | pantalaimon | enouf, first xp, then when i installed debian the installer programam did some changes |
| 23:18.32 | pantalaimon | enouf, i used partition magic once too |
| 23:18.38 | pantalaimon | enouf, and it worked |
| 23:18.46 | enouf | pantalaimon: ok ...pmagic ?? uh ohh |
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| 23:18.48 | pantalaimon | Updating $Bitmap file ... |
| 23:18.54 | pantalaimon | Updating Boot record ... |
| 23:19.01 | pantalaimon | The read-only test run ended successfully. |
| 23:19.07 | pantalaimon | edimensionar o sistema de arquivos ( ERROR ) |
| 23:19.14 | pantalaimon | redimensionar o sistema de arquivos ( ERROR ) * |
| 23:19.19 | pantalaimon | ntfsresize -P --force --force /dev/hda1 -s 60473638912 |
| 23:19.21 | petriborg | sigh |
| 23:19.30 | enouf | doubles the sigh |
| 23:19.31 | petriborg | this is why you got kicked last time :p |
| 23:19.33 | JordiGH | sigh |
| 23:19.34 | jelly-ho | pantalaimon: please don't paste more than 4 lines here |
| 23:19.48 | pantalaimon | jelly, sorry |
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| 23:20.05 | petriborg | as much as we love reading your errors :-) |
| 23:20.58 | JordiGH | Especially in portuguese. |
| 23:21.18 | jelly-ho | s/users/uses/ |
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| 23:21.39 | simonrvn | or at all |
| 23:22.07 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Much better when you're allowed to wipe the disk and complete the exorcism. I was just offered one such sacrificial lappy last week. :-) |
| 23:22.17 | jelly-ho | simonrvn: well, a new laptop with a full-disk single ntfs partition is hardly usable for Linux. ;-) |
| 23:22.37 | enouf | pantalaimon: go back - and boot into xpoop and run CHKDSK C: /r (or whatever the partition letter is, or is it 'chkdsk /r C:' whatever) - let it do it's thing for 3-5 years, then run Defrag on that POS, then try to resize again, but I've got a feeling that PM labaled them/it with some proprietary ID numbers (or worse) |
| 23:22.39 | simonrvn | i was talking about pasting ;) |
| 23:23.03 | JordiGH | enouf: The defrag shouldn't be necessary. |
| 23:23.22 | enouf | JordiGH: I know - biut what the heck |
| 23:23.47 | JordiGH | enouf: ntfsresize does the defragging or something like it anyways, right? |
| 23:23.59 | JordiGH | Someone please explain again to me my ext3 doesn't need to defrag. |
| 23:24.01 | enouf | JordiGH: Don't know- but doubtful |
| 23:24.17 | JordiGH | s/my/why |
| 23:24.23 | jelly-ho | enouf: ntfsprogs do a good job on the ntfs partition, I was pleasantly surprised. They move used clusters and everything. |
| 23:24.34 | petriborg | it's a magic partition jordiGH |
| 23:25.15 | pantalaimon | 19:36! i have to go |
| 23:25.18 | JordiGH | petriborg: I like ext3, but I can't wait for ext4 to put finer permission control. :-) |
| 23:25.22 | pantalaimon | enouf, ill try it |
| 23:25.34 | JordiGH | What's Konqui's girlfriend called? |
| 23:25.37 | pantalaimon | thx for the help |
| 23:25.37 | JordiGH | http://women.kde.org/ |
| 23:25.46 | jelly-ho | ext4? |
| 23:25.52 | petriborg | JordiGH: seriously? why |
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| 23:26.38 | JordiGH | hoarycripple: Or whatever the next standard Linux filesystem gets called. I do believe I read somewhere how Linus or someone else was working on a new filesystem. |
| 23:26.40 | enouf | I vote for a Pin-up kalendar :-) |
| 23:26.56 | JordiGH | Er, that was for jelly-ho. |
| 23:27.20 | JordiGH | petriborg: Yeah, seriously. I'm going to go check if Wikipedia has her name. |
| 23:27.29 | petriborg | JordiGH: you remember correctly i read the same thing - its called ext4 or will be |
| 23:27.33 | ootput | JordiGH: now if only you could recall a link to that bit of reading for the rest of us :) |
| 23:28.01 | JordiGH | Katie. Konqui's girlfriend is Katie. |
| 23:28.19 | JordiGH | So since Katie wears a skirt, does this mean that Konqui is guilty of indecent exposure? |
| 23:28.31 | JordiGH | Er, a dress. She wears a dress. |
| 23:28.34 | ootput | ah, nvm |
| 23:28.42 | azeem | JordiGH: how is that related to Debian? |
| 23:28.50 | petriborg | i thought it was on kernel trap |
| 23:28.55 | petriborg | but i'm not seeing it |
| 23:28.57 | streuner | haha |
| 23:28.57 | JordiGH | azeem: KDE is in Debian. |
| 23:29.15 | azeem | JordiGH: that isn't a reason you're babbling about the KDE women project |
| 23:29.22 | JordiGH | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15053 |
| 23:29.32 | petriborg | http://kerneltrap.org/node/6776 |
| 23:29.38 | petriborg | :PPPP |
| 23:31.07 | JordiGH | azeem: Then what's a reason? |
| 23:31.33 | azeem | probably nothing which is on topic in this channel |
| 23:31.53 | JordiGH | C'mon, dude. |
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| 23:32.24 | azeem | 01:19 < enouf> I vote for a Pin-up kalendar :-) |
| 23:32.29 | azeem | we already have the immature comments |
| 23:32.30 | ootput | don't push |
| 23:32.35 | azeem | let's get this over, ok? |
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| 23:33.14 | asp | anyone knows a linux good for web servers and safe? |
| 23:33.26 | JordiGH | asp: You distrust Apache for any reason? |
| 23:33.30 | streuner | hm, usually nobody cares what people saying on friday evenings ... ;-) |
| 23:33.32 | azeem | asp: Debian |
| 23:33.42 | azeem | streuner: it's Saturday |
| 23:33.51 | asp | lol |
| 23:33.51 | asp | hahah |
| 23:33.57 | petemc | sunday |
| 23:33.58 | streuner | azeem: that's even worser then :-) |
| 23:34.01 | asp | he must be on drugs |
| 23:34.17 | azeem | asp: nobody's on drugs, ok? |
| 23:34.30 | petemc | *cough* |
| 23:34.56 | asp | streuner: i bet its christina's tomorrow for you... |
| 23:34.59 | asp | jk lol |
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| 23:35.25 | JordiGH | Talking about Katie is the 40th melachah. |
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| 23:35.36 | asp | i mean christmas |
| 23:35.52 | ootput | you guys are quite hard to follow |
| 23:35.56 | ootput | what are you talking about? |
| 23:36.12 | streuner | fridays or saturdays are the days which usually people not that care |
| 23:36.15 | JordiGH | asp: Anyways, you want a distro for a web server? If you come to #debian, expect to be told that Debian is it. |
| 23:36.47 | azeem | streuner: too bad I got a deadline coming up and am still on :P |
| 23:37.57 | asp | i have a stick hard 256MB drive and a dell laptop with an usb 500 GBs hard drive is there's anyway i can install debian on the stick hard drive?? |
| 23:39.32 | petriborg | friday? its sat... |
| 23:39.39 | petemc | sun |
| 23:39.48 | streuner | we actually found that out :-P |
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| 23:40.31 | petriborg | sorry my chat wasn't scrolling |
| 23:40.32 | petriborg | didn't notice |
| 23:40.33 | asp | wow i just hit a full speed truck on 264MPH |
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| 23:41.04 | streuner | just use irssi or X-Chat |
| 23:41.57 | streuner | its always in IRC an advantage to use an irc-client which you can handle... |
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| 23:42.55 | asp | so.. debian don't do anything on fri/sa/sun lazy people later they talk about how bad windows sucks lol |
| 23:43.08 | ootput | out of curiousity, but what does the 'E' in EB (the measurement) stand for? |
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| 23:43.22 | JordiGH | The measurement? |
| 23:43.28 | JordiGH | Exa? |
| 23:43.34 | JordiGH | Exabytes? |
| 23:43.43 | ootput | okay |
| 23:44.00 | streuner | asp: nah, its experiences you got spenting time in #debian... |
| 23:44.04 | JordiGH | At that size, probably the LC would be a more reasonable measurement. |
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| 23:45.06 | asp | anyone know a linux good for n00bs like me to start learning it? |
| 23:45.25 | streuner | just use it |
| 23:45.35 | JordiGH | asp: Ubuntu is reputedly good for beginners. |
| 23:45.43 | asp | ok tys |
| 23:46.07 | streuner | there is no magic |
| 23:46.25 | streuner | you should be able to read man-pages and to learn |
| 23:46.56 | asp | the problem is that i hate reading.. and if i do it's for problems i get or errors... |
| 23:47.13 | JordiGH | streuner: I think it's important to get acquainted with free software first as a user and later learn more about its insides. At least, that's how it was for me, and I think it worked somewhat. |
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| 23:48.03 | DerJamster | asp: yeah, go Ubuntu. But even then..read alot about Linux basics. It is necessary. File layout, terminology etc. |
| 23:48.17 | asp | ok |
| 23:48.27 | jelly-ho | asp: if you're planning on installing servers, web or otherwise, you're going to have to do quite a bit of reading I fear. |
| 23:48.44 | streuner | ravenbird, no be a reading barbie is <reply> Reading is HARD! Let's go shoping! |
| 23:48.45 | ravenbird | okay, streuner |
| 23:48.58 | petriborg | oh its not that bad... just need to do things one at a time |
| 23:49.00 | JordiGH | streuner: Shopping. |
| 23:49.07 | streuner | ravenbird, no be a reading barbie is <reply> Reading is HARD! Let's go shopping! |
| 23:49.08 | ravenbird | streuner: okay |
| 23:49.19 | streuner | JordiGH: thanks |
| 23:49.20 | petriborg | you spell-trolled on irc wow |
| 23:49.24 | petriborg | :p |
| 23:49.25 | asp | jelly-ho: i know everyhting about web servers i have it for windows full suppored and a ftp server and a email server.. |
| 23:49.43 | abrotman | go figure .. windows admin uses ftp |
| 23:50.00 | JordiGH | petriborg: For the factoids, yeah. They get quoted often and speak for all of us. :-) |
| 23:50.09 | asp | i know web server from inside out.. lol |
| 23:50.11 | jelly-ho | abrotman: what would you give the users to upload their web? |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | scp .. duh |
| 23:50.42 | DerJamster | asp: what webserver? |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | if they can't figure out filezilla .. they shouldn't be writing web code |
| 23:51.01 | JordiGH | and don't forget sftp! |
| 23:51.15 | abrotman | or that |
| 23:51.26 | JordiGH | Or Konqui. Konqui knows sftp! sftp://user@place.org |
| 23:51.39 | abrotman | i meant for windows people |
| 23:52.01 | JordiGH | Oh... I keep forgetting about them. ;-) |
| 23:52.11 | asp | ya sftp on 22 |
| 23:52.12 | petriborg | win..dows? |
| 23:52.18 | DerJamster | Adrian: what webserver? :> |
| 23:52.26 | DerJamster | sorry, wrong nick |
| 23:52.27 | asp | but.. i don't really like 22 lol |
| 23:52.27 | pst | anyone get BOTH xine and vlc running it etch? they have conflict with libmodplug0 vs 0c2 or something crummy. |
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| 23:52.30 | DerJamster | asp: what webserver? :> |
| 23:52.49 | DerJamster | Apache? |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | pst: i did .. i don't use them often |
| 23:52.54 | JordiGH | pst: Work on mine, but I haven't updated recently. |
| 23:52.54 | asp | ya.. |
| 23:53.07 | streuner | pst: vlc isn't in etch |
| 23:53.25 | jelly-ho | abrotman: we've had a user with filezilla create a DoS on the webserver the other day, his ftp app. connected quite a few times per second. |
| 23:53.27 | abrotman | i stole vlc from etch |
| 23:53.28 | pst | streuner, hmm. them I might be pulling it from stable. either way, they don't play nice. |
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| 23:53.36 | abrotman | jelly-ho: yes .. it can do that |
| 23:53.55 | streuner | abrotman: interesting |
| 23:53.57 | abrotman | jelly: however .. it defaults to not doing that .. so he did that intentinoally |
| 23:53.57 | DerJamster | asp: as long as you're used to setting the servers up by editing config files, everything should be okay ;) |
| 23:54.02 | asp | long time i don't see how phlak is going on.. |
| 23:54.05 | abrotman | i stole vlc from sid :) |
| 23:54.15 | streuner | yeah, that sounds better :-) |
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| 23:55.02 | streuner | pst: so its no wonder that you have problems with vlc then... |
| 23:55.09 | asp | i stole a ant from my friends house.. |
| 23:55.38 | asp | whats how abrotman sounds like.. |
| 23:55.46 | asp | thats* |
| 23:55.47 | azeem | asp: you're getting off-topic |
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| 23:56.27 | JordiGH | Ooh... |
| 23:56.42 | JordiGH | KDE4 looks like it's going to be nice! |
| 23:57.01 | asp | KDE4 no wait.. |
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| 23:57.23 | asp | i hope it does cuz i wanna see a better linux desktop.. |
| 23:57.37 | asp | lol |
| 23:57.43 | JordiGH | lol indeed! |
| 23:58.00 | pst | streuner, *shrug* :) |
| 23:58.37 | JordiGH | pst: I can get etch from the Marillat sources... But that's like, y'know... |
| 23:59.19 | streuner | pst: so there are some options you have 1) you compile it from source /usr/local, or just get it from unstable |
| 23:59.21 | JordiGH | Er, vlc, not etch. |
| 23:59.56 | pickcoder | bbl |
