| 00:00.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: uh .. no you can't |
| 00:00.24 | streuner | pst: or compile it everytime new (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 00:00.32 | JordiGH | abrotman: Eh? How did I get vlc then? |
| 00:00.44 | abrotman | scroll up .. i told how i did it |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | i don't use marillat |
| 00:01.02 | JordiGH | abrotman: So it never was in Marillat? |
| 00:01.13 | abrotman | not that i know |
| 00:01.27 | JordiGH | You're correct. How very odd... |
| 00:01.30 | streuner | why it should be in marillat's repos? |
| 00:01.33 | streuner | vlc is free |
| 00:01.44 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 00:01.44 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 00:02.34 | JordiGH | streuner: mplayer itself is also free, but its codecs have patent problems... |
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| 00:02.43 | streuner | the good thing is in debian, you have many alternatives |
| 00:02.47 | abrotman | and without those .. mplayer is worthless |
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| 00:03.13 | streuner | JordiGH: hm |
| 00:03.15 | asp | Great Ubuntu's don't let me install from floppy and my cd rom is gay and dont want to read things right.. they told me that debian can be installed by floppy |
| 00:03.28 | JordiGH | "... is gay" |
| 00:03.49 | streuner | JordiGH: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | !tell JordiGH about gay |
| 00:04.00 | azeem | abrotman: eh, wrong nick |
| 00:04.06 | abrotman | azeem: ? |
| 00:04.14 | azeem | he was quoting asp |
| 00:04.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:04.19 | abrotman | doh |
| 00:04.26 | abrotman | !tell asp about gay |
| 00:04.29 | asp | idk it's reading clean cds and showing reading errors can't not be found.. bla bla bla |
| 00:04.49 | azeem | asp: Debian stable can be installed by floppy |
| 00:04.58 | azeem | or at least, the installer can be booted off floppy |
| 00:05.11 | asp | i know i had debian install by floppy with this kid from mac |
| 00:05.18 | abrotman | you can install from floppies |
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| 00:06.29 | asp | let me spam me friend and ask him to help me on step by step |
| 00:06.34 | asp | my* |
| 00:06.41 | jmd | Can anyone tell me why gxine in etch has suddenly ceased to work? |
| 00:06.59 | jmd | Suddenly I get messages like "xine-lib: error: The xine engine failed to start.: No input plugin was found." |
| 00:07.26 | JordiGH | Deja vu all over again. |
| 00:07.48 | streuner | jmd: what does BTS say about? |
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| 00:08.25 | streuner | install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
| 00:08.35 | asp | you think a 256mb's can hold debian? |
| 00:09.09 | streuner | hm, maybe woody without X, not sure about sarge |
| 00:09.12 | abrotman | 256MB of WHAT? |
| 00:09.13 | jmd | E: Couldn't find package aptlistchanges |
| 00:09.20 | asp | hd.. |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | see the - ? |
| 00:09.33 | jmd | E: Couldn't find package aptlistbugs |
| 00:09.41 | streuner | !info apt-listbugs |
| 00:09.44 | dpkg | apt-listbugs: (Lists critical bugs before each apt installation), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.49 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 00:09.49 | abrotman | jmd: - - -- -- - - - - - |
| 00:10.09 | jmd | That's sid. I'm using etch |
| 00:10.22 | streuner | hm |
| 00:10.22 | abrotman | !+info apt-listbugs etch |
| 00:10.23 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:10.29 | dpkg | Package 'apt-listbugs' does not exist. |
| 00:10.39 | streuner | jmd: ok, just /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:10.42 | abrotman | jmd: did you check the bts ? |
| 00:11.07 | jmd | I'm just starting to look through them now. |
| 00:11.42 | streuner | should be xine itself too |
| 00:11.46 | streuner | not sure |
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| 00:11.58 | streuner | xine-ui |
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| 00:12.38 | lekvar | this is only quasi-debian but has anyone in here made ppc debian etch work on a mac mini? it installs and boots just fine x is being a PITA to set up |
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| 00:13.07 | lekvar | s/x/but xorg/g |
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| 00:13.25 | Birmaan | question |
| 00:13.31 | streuner | lekvar: check out #debianppc too |
| 00:13.44 | Birmaan | What is the best chipset for Debian |
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| 00:13.58 | abrotman | lekvar: works on mine |
| 00:14.14 | abrotman | Birmaan: chipset for .. WHAT? |
| 00:14.15 | streuner | prolly not VIA chipsets :-) |
| 00:14.28 | abrotman | video? NIC? sound? what? |
| 00:14.44 | jmd | I can't see anything relevant in BTS, but there's so many packages that could be affecting it. |
| 00:15.01 | lekvar | abrotman: first gen? |
| 00:15.01 | jmd | Is there any other packages that can stream audio? |
| 00:15.01 | Birmaan | For a new motherboard in general |
| 00:15.08 | abrotman | lekvar: 1.42 or so |
| 00:15.24 | streuner | Birmaan: SiS worked for me great |
| 00:15.39 | lekvar | abrotman: yea sounds about the same. i think the mini's video card just hates my display since i can only get analog vga (through adapter) on osx anyhow |
| 00:15.41 | Birmaan | And how about uli |
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| 00:16.16 | abrotman | lekvar: i am using etch .. not sarge |
| 00:16.23 | Birmaan | streuner chipset in combination with amd proc |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | lekvar: and it's an ATI card .. dunno if there's an alternative |
| 00:16.38 | lekvar | *sizing up conroe mobo's for linux compat goodness* |
| 00:17.02 | streuner | Birmaan: that was AMD too (SiS) |
| 00:17.04 | lekvar | abrotman: likewise. etc, and it's built in so one is stuck with it. i'm just playing around with it until i get a new system |
| 00:17.05 | pst | rofl. offensive fortunes are like rot13 or something. |
| 00:17.19 | Birmaan | streuner,amd64? |
| 00:17.22 | streuner | no |
| 00:17.26 | streuner | Sempron |
| 00:17.29 | lekvar | s/etc/etch/g s/$MYSELF/GOOD_TYPIST/g |
| 00:17.32 | Birmaan | Which sis set |
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| 00:17.47 | abrotman | lekvar: it pretty much worked out of the box for me |
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| 00:17.57 | streuner | really cheap one, but usually all SiS just work fine |
| 00:18.01 | abrotman | lekvar: i just had to get the 2.6.17 from sid to use the wifi |
| 00:18.28 | lekvar | abrotman: can't get a viewable x display at all. it comes out all twisted. ubuntu livecd got me a low res desktop. i didnt put tons of work into it though |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | lekvar: uhm .. i got 1024 on a 14" monitor :) |
| 00:19.05 | Birmaan | streuner which sis-chipset do you have? |
| 00:19.07 | lekvar | abrotman: oh, i have a 20" widescreen heh |
| 00:19.24 | abrotman | lekvar: the 14" only did 1024 |
| 00:19.26 | streuner | Birmaan: actually none, i use VIA atm |
| 00:19.34 | abrotman | lekvar: the real goal is to make it work on my tv |
| 00:19.59 | asp | alright my friend told me to get DamnSmallLinux |
| 00:20.09 | Birmaan | streuner oke |
| 00:20.24 | abrotman | asp: ok .. have a good time .. we don't support DamnSmall in #debian |
| 00:20.58 | asp | ok tys everyone for your good support |
| 00:21.01 | streuner | VIA isn't supported very well |
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| 00:21.10 | lekvar | abrotman: display and monitor markets are sorta converging |
| 00:21.28 | streuner | they don't give infos about to developers, so there are always issues then |
| 00:21.36 | ootput | asp: gl |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | lekvar: it's a CRT tv .. and the framebuffer stuff is a pain |
| 00:21.52 | Birmaan | streuner,Can you recomend a chipset ? |
| 00:21.53 | lekvar | do you need framebuffer stuff to do video playback? |
| 00:22.09 | abrotman | eh .. dunno .. it's just what was happening .. i had to turn some of it off |
| 00:22.09 | streuner | Birmaan: for cheap mobos? SiS |
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| 00:23.12 | lekvar | does stuff like an nforce chipset even gain you much on linux? |
| 00:23.22 | abrotman | probably causes problems |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | nvidia is a bad company |
| 00:23.30 | streuner | dpkg, nforce |
| 00:23.31 | dpkg | it has been said that nforce is a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 00:23.42 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 00:23.42 | dpkg | hmm... nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
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| 00:24.04 | Birmaan | streuner money is not such a problem,but drivers etc mor |
| 00:24.27 | streuner | Birmaan: before buying, just check out groups.google.com about chipsets |
| 00:24.27 | abrotman | intel stuff usually works pretty darn well |
| 00:24.28 | lekvar | (sigh) god forbid i might want a machine that's great for linux AND excellent for gaming |
| 00:24.42 | Birmaan | streuner i want to use serial ata for instance |
| 00:25.24 | lekvar | i'm surrpised nobody's leaked source for some of these cards and chipsets |
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| 00:25.40 | streuner | Birmaan: shouldn't be a problem as long as you use newer kernels |
| 00:25.57 | JordiGH | Eh? Anyone object to me deleting the "problems" section here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARts |
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| 00:26.02 | lekvar | !ati |
| 00:26.03 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx> |
| 00:26.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: wrong channel |
| 00:26.24 | [TACO] | what is an easy to use partition program, by easy to use, UI friendly |
| 00:26.26 | lekvar | Personally Ive read very little good about ati video cards under linux |
| 00:26.33 | Birmaan | streuner oke thanks |
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| 00:26.41 | JordiGH | abrotman: What, you've never used aRts in Debian? |
| 00:26.48 | abrotman | lekvar: honestly .. the best accelerated video under linux with free drivers is intel |
| 00:26.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: hell god no .. |
| 00:27.03 | PerfDave | Mmm, arts |
| 00:27.07 | PerfDave | [TACO]: qtparted? |
| 00:27.14 | streuner | Birmaan: use "usenet" before buying (groups.google.com) - it safes you many headaches |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: arts is a freaking mess .. and i doubt anyone in #debian cares what wikipedia says about arts |
| 00:27.22 | lekvar | !fglrx |
| 00:27.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or but it's in sid only, not in etch |
| 00:27.31 | abrotman | lekvar: msg the bot please |
| 00:27.34 | PerfDave | aRts++ # Makes sound work in Linux |
| 00:27.45 | abrotman | i don't run arts .. sound works just fine |
| 00:27.48 | Birmaan | streuner i will |
| 00:27.55 | [TACO] | PerfDave: gonna try, thanks |
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| 00:30.30 | JordiGH | KDE4 will use Phonon instead of aRts. |
| 00:30.30 | RobHu | When doing mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.6.16-xen.new 2.6.16-xen I get FATAL: Module raid1 not found. and FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. ... what is sd_mod? I can't see it in menuconfig |
| 00:30.46 | abrotman | modules that it's looking for that you didn't compile |
| 00:31.01 | PerfDave | JordiGH: Bah, if it ain't broke... |
| 00:31.32 | PerfDave | I read about Phonon, it sounds like pointless Gnome bloat. |
| 00:31.52 | azeem | eh |
| 00:31.55 | JordiGH | PerfDave: I don't like it how aRts hogs the sound card. Also, ocasionally I've had performance issues. |
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| 00:32.17 | azeem | PerfDave: Phonon is the "We don't use GNOME's solution, let's add a layer on top of it" solution by KDE |
| 00:32.47 | azeem | <mjg59> KDE ABSTRACTED MY ABSTRACTION LAYER |
| 00:32.49 | PerfDave | JordiGH: I just run everything through aRts, it's the easiest way to get everything working. |
| 00:32.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:33.02 | azeem | he sells those as T-Shirts I think |
| 00:33.02 | PerfDave | azeem: Yeah, understandable that they don't want to use ESD though :) |
| 00:33.18 | abrotman | i think you missed the point |
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| 00:35.17 | toothpick | If you're running sid, is cups working? |
| 00:35.30 | Dan01 | troubled about? |
| 00:35.45 | nvz | what if I am runnin sid with a misconfigured cups or with no cups at all |
| 00:35.53 | nvz | furthermore what if you ask a better question |
| 00:36.13 | grew | how do i configure what modules are loaded on boot? |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | /etc/modules |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | or ask me about blacklisting |
| 00:37.26 | nvz | oh yeah I am asleep :P |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | you look it |
| 00:37.37 | toothpick | nvz, well put...did a purge and reinstall, so all the cups settings should be default. |
| 00:37.39 | nvz | damn.. sleep typing again |
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| 00:37.45 | abrotman | nvz: go push your cat off the table again |
| 00:37.53 | norbert_ | hi! question: does anyone know the OOorg key-equivalent for the Word Ctrl-[ and Ctrl-] to easily change the size of selected text? |
| 00:38.05 | abrotman | ask #openoffice.org |
| 00:38.08 | nvz | she's under the desk on that monitor box I turned into a cat house |
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| 00:38.16 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | go to #kernel |
| 00:38.28 | grew | abrotman: some modules are being loaded that arent in /etc/modules |
| 00:38.37 | grew | abrotman: specifically hostap stuff that is built but I dont want loading |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | grew: discover/hotplug/udev do that |
| 00:38.45 | abrotman | !tell grew about blacklist |
| 00:39.06 | grew | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:40.52 | [TACO] | PerfDave: worked perfectly, thanks |
| 00:41.05 | PerfDave | [TACO]: No worries |
| 00:41.12 | norbert_ | abrotman: ok, I will; thanks |
| 00:41.16 | [TACO] | just need to find a spot to mount /dev/hdb1 :P |
| 00:41.42 | PerfDave | /mnt/hdb1? |
| 00:42.01 | [TACO] | nah |
| 00:42.11 | [TACO] | I don't mount hdd partitions |
| 00:42.16 | [TACO] | in the mnt directory |
| 00:43.23 | Archngel | hi everybody |
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| 00:43.43 | [TACO] | decided to turn it into a storage device |
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| 00:43.56 | [TACO] | mounted /storage |
| 00:44.07 | Archngel | can anyone tell me why usb key not mounting auto on debian Sarge with kernel upghrade to 2.6.8.3 |
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| 00:45.04 | eldowon | How would I redirect stdout to a variable? |
| 00:45.19 | PerfDave | [TACO]: That's what it's there for |
| 00:45.24 | azeem | eldowon: what do you mean, a variable? |
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| 00:45.47 | eldowon | azeem: an environmental variable. like $var |
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| 00:46.55 | PerfDave | foo=`ls`; echo $foo |
| 00:47.20 | eldowon | PerfDave: I tried that, but I'm using the | during the command. |
| 00:47.29 | PerfDave | or foo=$(ls); echo $foo if you prefer that syntax |
| 00:47.33 | rhalff | Archngel, just wondering, is your stick showing in lsusb ? |
| 00:47.54 | PerfDave | foo=`ls | sed 's/e/f/g'`; echo $foo |
| 00:48.18 | eldowon | this is the command: grep demux mentest.test | awk '{ print $2 }' And this is the error when I try foo=(command): syntax error near unexpected token `|' |
| 00:49.05 | eldowon | if I place a backslash in front of |, echo $foo outputs grep |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | if you grep demux mentest.test .. what do you get ? |
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| 00:50.00 | eldowon | abrotman: demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching framerate. I'm trying to place the 24000/1001 into a variable |
| 00:50.15 | amphi | eldowon: still? ;) |
| 00:50.19 | PerfDave | eldowon: So what does this do: foo=$(grep demux mentest.tst | awk '{print $2}'); echo foo |
| 00:50.23 | eldowon | amphi: Oh yess. |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | you could just grep that section that matches |
| 00:51.16 | freeone3000 | PerfDave: Takes the output of a command and puts it in foo, and then completly ignores it and prints out the literal string "foo". |
| 00:51.19 | abrotman | as in .. grep -o 24000 blah |
| 00:51.27 | abrotman | or whatever you want to match |
| 00:51.34 | eldowon | abrotman: But that would give the entire line, wouldn't it? |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | try it |
| 00:52.04 | PerfDave | freeone3000: Damn you :p |
| 00:52.17 | freeone3000 | Oh. Whoops. |
| 00:52.26 | Archngel | rhalff: not even showing |
| 00:52.33 | abrotman | eldowan: better? |
| 00:52.46 | Archngel | rhalff: sorry for the delay |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | eldowan: or use 24000\/1001fps |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | oh .. you don't know the value it will be .. duh |
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| 00:53.25 | archpollux | hi |
| 00:53.35 | dvs | !lart archpollux |
| 00:53.48 | archpollux | there is a problem with the libcatalyst-perl package, catalyst.pl complains about not finding Catalyst::Helper |
| 00:53.58 | eldowon | PerfDave: That worked, adding the $ infront of the (. Thanks. |
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| 00:54.49 | archpollux | i looked for Catalyst/Helper.pm file and there's no package in the archive that contains it |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 00:55.11 | eldowon | abrotman: grep -o worked just as well. I was pointed down the path of using sed and awk. Thanks for keeping it simple |
| 00:55.16 | eldowon | !prize PerfDave |
| 00:55.19 | eldowon | !beer abrotman |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | eldowan: enjoy |
| 00:55.31 | eldowon | Thanks you two :) |
| 00:56.25 | eldowon | amphi: I have started a project at home, I *must* see it through. |
| 00:57.13 | ootput | are any of you using sarge on an lvm2+raid setup? I'm getting plenty of error messages at boot and shutdown, but the system appears to be operating fine |
| 00:57.17 | eldowon | Another question. The info pages for some programs aren't on my system. How would I go about getting them? example info expr shows the man page for expr |
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| 00:59.35 | ootput | eldowon: if they aren't packaged, then you'd need to retrieve them manually |
| 00:59.46 | ootput | ie, extract them from the source tarball |
| 01:00.04 | eldowon | ootput: Thats what I figured. Thanks |
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| 01:04.58 | bbelt16ag | why cant i find qtparted in the repo? |
| 01:05.02 | bbelt16ag | is it non-free?? |
| 01:05.13 | dvs | !info qtparted sarge |
| 01:05.23 | dvs | does not exist |
| 01:05.30 | bbelt16ag | why? |
| 01:05.34 | neoxan | !info vagina |
| 01:05.41 | neoxan | hm |
| 01:05.42 | bbelt16ag | what else can i use to view my partitons? |
| 01:05.48 | neoxan | !info pppoeconf |
| 01:05.56 | dvs | !info qtparted etch |
| 01:05.57 | dpkg | pppoeconf: (configures PPPoE/ADSL connections), section net, is optional. Version: 1.11 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 316 kB |
| 01:06.18 | eldowon | bbelt16ag: cfdisk, fdisk, |
| 01:06.23 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 01:06.42 | eldowon | bbelt16ag: just to view, try fdisk /dev/hd? |
| 01:06.46 | eldowon | bbelt16ag: then p |
| 01:06.55 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 01:09.50 | artye | Hey.. I configured Postfix with Postfix-Admin and Dovecot with this HowTo: http://bliki.rimuhosting.com/space/knowledgebase/linux/mail/postfixadmin+on+debian+sarge When I create a mailbox in Postfixadmin I get the following error in mail.log: fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf(0,100): table lookup problem Any idea what the problem could be? |
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| 01:10.21 | troubled | evenin' |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | might want to ask #postfix |
| 01:11.23 | troubled | abrotman: still going strong eh? |
| 01:11.44 | bbelt16ag | didnt work |
| 01:11.47 | artye | abrotman.. might be a good idea ;) |
| 01:12.45 | abrotman | troubled: uh .. i guess |
| 01:13.28 | troubled | abrotman: ati drivers kicked my butt :( |
| 01:13.53 | simonrvn | hello people |
| 01:13.56 | troubled | abrotman: almost seems like it wasnt diverting all the glx stuff, but i dont know enough about X to even try troubleshoot that |
| 01:14.08 | troubled | simonrvn: just about to slap ya, howdy |
| 01:14.12 | simonrvn | abrotman: yes i have (seen the word 'quebecker') |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: stupid words |
| 01:14.59 | eldowon | bbelt16ag: What do you mean that it didn't work? any error? |
| 01:15.21 | eldowon | troubled: Whats your problem with the ati drivers? |
| 01:15.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: *shrug* |
| 01:15.45 | bbelt16ag | dont wqorry about it i got irt |
| 01:15.46 | troubled | eldowon: black screen when it starts x |
| 01:16.24 | troubled | eldowon: even made the deb's and installed and got the kernel mod loaded and disabled agp gart. not sure what else it could be |
| 01:16.33 | eldowon | troubled: any fatal error in X log? |
| 01:16.37 | eldowon | Xorg? |
| 01:17.19 | troubled | eldowon: ya xorg, and no, i think X actually started up, just couldnt see it. I scrolled through about 40 pages of the log, but never looked at the end |
| 01:17.46 | eldowon | troubled: Check the end of the log. something similar happened to me. |
| 01:17.47 | liable | the end is usually where the errors are |
| 01:17.49 | troubled | eldowon: sec, ill check and see if its still around (not sure if it gets appended or replaced) |
| 01:18.03 | eldowon | troubled: I just dont remember what the solution was. ;\ |
| 01:18.05 | troubled | liable: aparent to me now heh |
| 01:18.41 | troubled | eldowon: i was thinkin it was a kernel option, but they only mentioned the gart issue. I even tried a recompile without fb radeon support. same thing |
| 01:19.08 | eldowon | are you trying to get fglrx working? |
| 01:19.26 | troubled | ya |
| 01:19.34 | troubled | or rather was heh |
| 01:19.46 | troubled | sec, ill give a paste bin of my log tail |
| 01:19.56 | eldowon | troubled: sounds good. |
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| 01:20.24 | troubled | http://pastebin.ca/150514 |
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| 01:20.45 | troubled | im not really sure if thats the pre flgx or not though. i might need to give ya some more tail |
| 01:21.52 | eldowon | troubled: you could just pastebin the entire log. |
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| 01:22.18 | troubled | ah sorry, didnt know what size limit is. sec |
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| 01:23.23 | eldowon | dvs: chili is good for you :) |
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| 01:23.39 | dvs | eldowan: good if you want to pass gas! |
| 01:23.54 | thingfish | the beans are good for you. the chilis are good for you. |
| 01:24.02 | troubled | eldowon: http://pastebin.ca/150517 |
| 01:24.20 | troubled | eldowon: a quick glance though, not sure if thats the fglrx log |
| 01:24.27 | troubled | grep didnt return anything |
| 01:24.28 | thingfish | but if you use cheap hamburger it's not good for you. |
| 01:24.32 | eldowon | dvs: no beans. ;) |
| 01:24.57 | eldowon | Beef: its whats for dinner |
| 01:24.59 | troubled | eldowon: i dont mind retrying it though and getting the real log. just gotta leave xchat for it thats all |
| 01:25.04 | dvs | eldowan: your neighbors will thank you. |
| 01:25.30 | eldowon | nah, their worse than I ever could be. |
| 01:25.51 | dvs | Super Bowl chili? ;-) |
| 01:26.41 | troubled | eldowon: question for ya, you use any of the fb radeon drivers on boot with your setup? or you just stick with 80x25? |
| 01:26.41 | eldowon | troubled: That might be preferable. This log shows you are using the raedeon driver |
| 01:26.49 | neoxan | JKSAR |
| 01:26.52 | neoxan | I NEED CHELPO |
| 01:26.54 | eldowon | troubled: in grub I pass vga=792 |
| 01:26.59 | neoxan | IA NM DRUN+ |
| 01:27.01 | neoxan | LK |
| 01:27.06 | neoxan | sryyyyy |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | neoxan: stop being annoying |
| 01:27.13 | eldowon | dvs: What is superbowl chili? |
| 01:27.31 | troubled | eldowon: so just vga console, but not the radeon fb right? i disabled mine just in case but to no avail :( |
| 01:27.59 | dvs | eldowan: It's suppose to some super spicy chili they serve during Super Bowl Sunday. There's no one recipe but it's suppose to be "extra special" |
| 01:28.01 | thingfish | what, abrotman, that didn't make perfect sense to you? ;) |
| 01:28.17 | eldowon | dvs: All my chili is extra spicy |
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| 01:28.37 | eldowon | troubled: I didn't even know there was a console radeon driver. |
| 01:28.40 | thingfish | hot peppers are really good for you. |
| 01:28.51 | eldowon | thingfish: I used about a dozen green chilis |
| 01:29.03 | thingfish | mmm |
| 01:29.22 | thingfish | I've been cooking with some fresh cayennes that my folks grew. |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | hippies! |
| 01:29.41 | eldowon | thingfish: Very nice. |
| 01:29.45 | thingfish | they're not really hot as I would have thought though. |
| 01:29.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:29.55 | eldowon | abrotman: So I've got long hair. :) |
| 01:29.59 | dvs | Yes, and my parents grow very special "herbs" too ;-) |
| 01:30.04 | thingfish | I wish. |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | eldowan: metal head! |
| 01:30.11 | troubled | eldowon: ya, and it looked amazing. Had some refresh issues. kinda stuttered on load, but otherwise looked fine (might be the preempt stuff for all i know) |
| 01:30.23 | eldowon | dvs: nice. |
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| 01:30.31 | dvs | eldowan: just kidding. |
| 01:30.34 | eldowon | thingfish: metal, classical, big band. Music is great |
| 01:30.37 | Cyde | Why doesn't `apt-get install emacs` work? |
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| 01:31.00 | troubled | eldowon: well, if your gonna be around for a few minutes and dont mind while I drop down to a console and try fire it up once, ill give ya a better log |
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| 01:31.16 | eldowon | troubled: go for it. I should be here another 90 minutes or so. |
| 01:31.24 | thingfish | eldowon: well at least you like classical and big band. |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | Cyde: apt-cache search emacs .. look for it |
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| 01:31.41 | troubled | eldowon: cool, give me 5 or so, might have to remake the debs... |
| 01:32.05 | eldowon | thingfish: Just about the only things I dont like are new country and blatently religious music. |
| 01:32.10 | quitte | hi. where can i get old debian packages that are not part of a release? |
| 01:32.19 | Cyde | abrotman: Oh so I should do `apt-get install emacs21` then? |
| 01:32.27 | thingfish | oh I love religious music. |
| 01:32.29 | eldowon | troubled: OK. You might also take a look here; http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Confirm_that_it_worked |
| 01:32.41 | quitte | glibc-2.3.6-13, to be precise |
| 01:32.45 | thingfish | you ever heard russian orthodox liturgical music? |
| 01:32.49 | selim | can someone tell me which packages I have to install on debian to get the source of xen compiled correctly? |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | Cyde: i'm not an emacs person .. but i'd guess so |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | quitte: archive.debian.org |
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| 01:33.27 | eldowon | thingfish: Nope. let me rephrase. I love the large choir music. Just not the christian pop rock |
| 01:33.36 | thingfish | oh that |
| 01:33.37 | thingfish | heh |
| 01:33.52 | thingfish | boy I'm with you there, eldowon. |
| 01:33.56 | eldowon | :D |
| 01:33.57 | troubled | eldowon: actually, thats one thing that caught my eye earlier. there was an existing gl driver, but it was in a package that would remove almost all of gnome and X if I erased it. missing divertion imho |
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| 01:34.11 | quitte | abrotman: i think you misunderstood. i dont' want a old debian. i want the source to a package from april |
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| 01:34.33 | selim | I always get this error message while doing the "make world" for xen: invalid python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python/config.... |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | quitte: you mean libc6 .. not glibc |
| 01:34.41 | troubled | eldowon: k, give me a min, gonna run the aticonfig and fireup X again first |
| 01:34.45 | eldowon | troubled: hmm. you don't remember which gl driver it was? It *shouldn't* interfere as it wont be loaded when fglrx is setup |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | quitte: snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:34.52 | eldowon | troubled: go for it |
| 01:35.07 | quitte | abrotman: thanks. the source package name is glibc |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | ok .. |
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| 01:36.27 | bytewalker | is there a program i can use to chat with another shell user ? |
| 01:36.43 | eldowon | bytewalker: IRC? |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | talk |
| 01:37.10 | bytewalker | thxhthx couldnt remember the name |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | bytewalker: also 'write' |
| 01:38.43 | huhlig | hmm |
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| 01:40.58 | troubled | well, got X to start this time :) |
| 01:41.13 | troubled | log was showing a missing libstcc++5 holding back glx |
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| 01:41.49 | eldowon | troubled: So you installed the libstdc++5 and all was well? |
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| 01:41.56 | troubled | but glxgears was a no go still. not sure if mesa was supposed to be the gl of choice. sec, gonna check that url ya gave me |
| 01:42.09 | eldowon | troubled: fglrxinfo |
| 01:42.27 | grew | can someone tell me what the syntax is for /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 01:42.28 | troubled | eldowon: well x started this time no problem, but that fglrxinfo showed problems, sec pastebin the results |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | grew: probably just the list of modules |
| 01:42.43 | troubled | might be more missing libs, ill have to check further up logs too, sec |
| 01:43.04 | liable | troubled: does glxinfo show mesa or ati for GL? |
| 01:43.06 | dvs | grew: "blacklist <module>" |
| 01:43.37 | selim | does noone had installed xen before? |
| 01:43.41 | troubled | liable: mesa atm, gotta do that libgl rm thing i think. caught my attn earlier |
| 01:43.44 | troubled | http://pastebin.ca/150523 |
| 01:43.44 | eldowon | liable: fglxrinfo will show that in much shorter form. Thats why I asked him to run it :) |
| 01:44.07 | grew | dvs: that must be it, i tried just module and it said the lines were invalid. thanks |
| 01:44.19 | dvs | grew: you're welcome |
| 01:44.31 | troubled | i installed mesa gl before all of this too. wondering if it hijack'd something it shouldnt have on ati deb's |
| 01:44.59 | eldowon | troubled: No. If I change from the fglrx driver, I get mesa rendering. If I load the fglrx, I get ATI |
| 01:45.34 | eldowon | troubled: I left mesa on for 'just incase' |
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| 01:46.31 | troubled | should work then, but my original log I remember noticing that X was loading libgl from path that belonged to mesa. and go figure it is showing mesa for glxinfo |
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| 01:47.13 | eldowon | troubled: Thats because for some reason it hasn't yet loaded fglrx's gl rendering engine. If you remove mesa, you might have none at all. |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | which ati card is this ? |
| 01:47.44 | eldowon | troubled: did you want to pastebin your xorg log? |
| 01:48.01 | troubled | eldowon: possible, but should the ati deb's setup a diversion for that rather than the kludge from that url you gave me? |
| 01:48.08 | troubled | sure, sec |
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| 01:48.13 | abrotman | troubled: which ATI card? |
| 01:48.28 | troubled | radeon 9800 pro 128mb |
| 01:48.32 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | troubled: etch/sid ? |
| 01:48.53 | troubled | eldowon: did you want the current log or the one from a minute ago when it was missing the stdc++? |
| 01:48.57 | troubled | abrotman: etch |
| 01:49.15 | zebalin4 | Anyone know what package you update to get the latest list of printers used in the KDE print manager? Is it foomatic-db-engine? |
| 01:49.22 | liable | hrm, firefox keeps crashing, i think its flash making it crash but i am not sure |
| 01:49.42 | troubled | liable: i could see that :) try go macromedia.org? |
| 01:49.55 | troubled | liable: at least you can trust their code to be bloated, but prolly bug free |
| 01:50.06 | eldowon | troubled: you mean adobe? |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | i don't think you need the binary crap drivers |
| 01:50.25 | liable | troubled: i have the non-free flash |
| 01:50.32 | troubled | eldowon: they went through with that? last I seen they were waiting approval, must have missed the news |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | oh wait .. ignore me |
| 01:51.00 | eldowon | troubled: yeah, it is now adobe flash |
| 01:51.29 | troubled | figures. i really like both companies though. dreamweaver > golive IMHO |
| 01:51.41 | troubled | but photoshop owns fireworks |
| 01:51.46 | eldowon | I stick to kate for |
| 01:51.54 | UhligH__ | hmm |
| 01:52.05 | eldowon | kate for web design. and quanta |
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| 01:53.28 | eldowon | troubled: did you have your current xorg log available? |
| 01:53.46 | troubled | eldowon: http://pastebin.ca/150527 is the one missing stdc, sec on current |
| 01:53.56 | zebalin4 | Anyone know about the printer list in kde? |
| 01:54.45 | Sweet-P | anyone do video work on debian? |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 01:55.14 | Sweet-P | HDTV to DVD |
| 01:55.30 | troubled | (EE) fglrx(0): [agp] unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV", hrmm, sec ill paste the current |
| 01:55.36 | troubled | i think it is falling bacl |
| 01:55.39 | troubled | back* |
| 01:55.44 | eldowon | xf86? |
| 01:55.45 | Sweet-P | i have a HiDef camcorder and want to encode to dvd...but it's a little different, i'm trying to do this with my openmosix cluster |
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| 01:56.44 | troubled | eldowon: http://pastebin.ca/150529 <- current, about 2 pages up from bottom |
| 01:57.34 | Sweet-P | i've got the openmosix stuff right, now I need some good video tools that I can adapt...in windows i use avisynth and dgindex...i'm compiling avisynth, but now I need a dgindex relacement |
| 01:57.42 | troubled | eldowon: line 240, is that loading the wrong lib? |
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| 01:59.44 | eldowon | Sweet-P: you might try mencoder |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | cinerella or kino |
| 02:00.30 | Sweet-P | ahh, I'll take a look at all of those |
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| 02:01.21 | shuveb|home | is there a command by the name "ip"? it is being used by openvz... in which package can i find it? |
| 02:01.47 | eldowon | troubled: That is the path that I use. |
| 02:02.01 | eldowon | troubled: I'm running an X1900 on PCIE |
| 02:02.03 | liable | shuveb|home: yes there is, cant remember the package |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | !find bin/ip$ sarge |
| 02:02.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/ip' returned no results. |
| 02:02.26 | troubled | eldowon: i did intentionally disable the DRI in the kernel, the howto made it sound like I should have. sec |
| 02:02.54 | abrotman | in the iproute package |
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| 02:03.02 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 02:03.10 | abrotman | aptitude: find bin/ip$ etch |
| 02:03.19 | eldowon | troubled: I'm using the stock 2.6.16 kernel. You are using a custom? |
| 02:03.27 | liable | iproute |
| 02:03.30 | liable | 2 |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | i said that already! :) |
| 02:03.43 | troubled | eldowon: ya, mainly cause of the agart |
| 02:03.49 | liable | i am a bit slow as usual :) |
| 02:03.49 | aptitude | Debian Search of 'bin/ip' (1): (/bin/ip, /sbin/ip) in net/iproute. |
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| 02:04.09 | troubled | agpgart rather |
| 02:04.15 | shuveb|home | liable, hmm |
| 02:04.49 | troubled | liable: im wondering if all i needed was to NOT disable the DRM in the kernel |
| 02:05.13 | eldowon | troubled: mabye try to boot into a stock kernel, and rebuild the packages? |
| 02:05.13 | troubled | err not liable, eldowon |
| 02:05.24 | eldowon | troubled: dri or drm? |
| 02:05.34 | liable | troubled: um, i think you need it enabled, but no modules compiled (i cant remember and i dont have my ati box here) |
| 02:05.43 | troubled | eldowon: well, direct rendering manager (DRI) |
| 02:06.17 | troubled | liable: that is kinda making sense to me, since the ati mod would prolly be considered external and not in the list |
| 02:06.32 | troubled | liable: good advice. besides, I dont mind quick kernel compile :) sec |
| 02:06.46 | eldowon | troubled: That is working on my system; (II) fglrx(0): DRI initialization successfull! |
| 02:07.36 | troubled | eldowon: in the pastebin I noticed it choke on my box for that. But the howto wasnt really specific about it, not something one would catch just following instructions verbatim |
| 02:07.58 | troubled | sec, gonna toggle a few options and get my fb radeon back too |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | do you really need 3d? |
| 02:08.21 | troubled | abrotman: i dont want the 3d actually, just faster/full 2d |
| 02:08.37 | abrotman | uh... |
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| 02:08.56 | troubled | the screen updates are really god awful slow compared to xp to tell the truth. seems like its not really running like it could |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | have fun wasting your time |
| 02:09.09 | eldowon | troubled: glxgears *is* 3d |
| 02:09.18 | junix-other | is there going to be an update for samba on unstable? |
| 02:09.45 | troubled | eldowon: well, thats more just a test that would satisfy me to know that the driver is "working" |
| 02:09.47 | eldowon | troubled: If you aren't looking for 3d acceleration, I would just stick to the radeon, ati, or vesa |
| 02:10.08 | shuveb|home | solved, "ip" is a part of the "iproute" package, thanks |
| 02:10.08 | eldowon | troubled: So you have the results you are looking for, but want to get it all working? |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | shuveb|home: we said that |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | junix-other: ask the maintainer |
| 02:10.32 | junix-other | who is...? |
| 02:10.41 | abrotman | !maint samba |
| 02:10.42 | troubled | eldowon: ya. more just geekin out anyways and seeing what etch can do as well |
| 02:10.48 | dpkg | samba: Eloy A. Paris <peloy@debian.org> |
| 02:10.50 | eldowon | troubled: :) |
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| 02:11.30 | eldowon | troubled: I don't run agp, but unless there is a *specific* reason, I would suggest just using the stock 2.6.16 kernel. |
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| 02:12.23 | troubled | eldowon: truth be told i never run X hardly ever. been a console man for long as I can remember. This my xp box and decided to dual and try the etch installer |
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| 02:13.06 | eldowon | troubled: Ahh. I'm spoiled on X myself... I do love the console though. I've usually got one up all the time |
| 02:13.25 | troubled | eldowon: still using the debian kernel though, just took out everything I know I wouldnt need for sure (and a few accidentals like dri hehe) and changed the preempt and few things to tweak X a bit (well, that was the hope) |
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| 02:13.42 | nvz | I figured out in most cases there isnt any reason not to be running X so I just keep my terminal with screen running in X |
| 02:14.16 | troubled | eldowon: got a pair of dell poweredge 4200's for last few years. they too slow for X |
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| 02:14.23 | eldowon | nvz: There is plenty of reason not to run X. The more thing running, the more things to break / break into |
| 02:14.31 | troubled | plus i got me hands on a nice * box with the tdm card |
| 02:14.42 | eldowon | troubled: even fluxbox / blackbox? |
| 02:14.55 | troubled | i swear, I had $40us on nufone.net for about 8 or 9 months as my main phone line and it still has credit! |
| 02:14.56 | eldowon | troubled: tdm? I don't know that one |
| 02:15.04 | nvz | eldowon: bah if something goes wrong I can reattach on a console but on console I cant start an xclient if I want |
| 02:15.34 | troubled | eldowon: nah, like i said, they always been pretty well just console. odd time I play around with xdmcp though on xp running off the dells |
| 02:15.41 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 02:15.46 | eldowon | night |
| 02:16.06 | troubled | eldowon: tdm400p i think is the model. Got all 4 ports, 1 fxo and 3 fxs |
| 02:16.14 | troubled | err swap that hehe |
| 02:16.54 | troubled | always get messed up on their backward naming converntion, basically 1 goes to ma bell and other 3 are internal 3.3v powered extentions (maybe 5v, shrug). plus I got 2 iaxy's |
| 02:17.06 | troubled | cya anapivirtua |
| 02:17.11 | nvz | nothing fucks up your logs like running ntpdate when you've drifted 3 hours |
| 02:17.20 | eldowon | troubled: I think I'm off to eat fresh chili |
| 02:17.30 | troubled | eldowon: dcc me a bowl plz :) |
| 02:17.43 | eldowon | troubled: It might burn through the lines. |
| 02:18.02 | troubled | heh Super Cilli! |
| 02:18.14 | nvz | well I guess someone rooting your system can be worse on the logs |
| 02:18.42 | eldowon | a dozen or so chilis and a bunch of different chili powders. |
| 02:18.47 | nvz | at least I was 3 hours behind so it just looks like I hit a quantum leap and 3 hours never happened |
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| 02:21.51 | apfel | Can you recommend an easy program that lets me just transmit a webcam stream to another host? |
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| 02:22.35 | StarFly | is there a room just for testing? |
| 02:22.42 | amphi | apfel: netcat? ;) |
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| 02:23.46 | StarFly | linux-kbuild-2.6.17 - Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 2.6.17 |
| 02:23.57 | StarFly | i'm curious how i can use that to build the 2.6.17 kernel on etch |
| 02:24.10 | StarFly | it drops some files into /usr/src/*2.6.17/ |
| 02:24.17 | StarFly | but not the kernel tree |
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| 02:25.02 | itrebal | what package provides apxs for apache2? |
| 02:25.05 | StarFly | this is all deb etch |
| 02:25.14 | itrebal | i've got apache2-utils but it isn't providing it |
| 02:25.14 | StarFly | itrebal apache2 should do that |
| 02:25.17 | slaq | anyone here run linux on a macbook? |
| 02:25.29 | StarFly | i've ran deb on a g4 |
| 02:25.39 | StarFly | 400 |
| 02:25.44 | slaq | StarFly, i'm after the macbook :) |
| 02:25.50 | StarFly | which one |
| 02:25.54 | StarFly | powerbook |
| 02:25.56 | StarFly | or the curren |
| 02:26.02 | StarFly | wait u said macbook |
| 02:26.02 | StarFly | ok |
| 02:26.06 | slaq | current, intel |
| 02:26.06 | StarFly | yea |
| 02:26.17 | StarFly | i tested the hell out of that chip in development |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | there's a website .. and junichi has been doing work on it |
| 02:26.41 | StarFly | i helped build all the machines that test those procs when they come off the line |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | bad man! |
| 02:27.33 | StarFly | i like that proc |
| 02:27.37 | StarFly | i don't like the conroe |
| 02:27.44 | unix_infidel | has anyone tried using a box fan (with cage) with an open case to cool a system |
| 02:27.53 | StarFly | i used a bathroom fan once |
| 02:28.06 | unix_infidel | StarFly: in an emergency situation or standard? |
| 02:28.17 | StarFly | overclocking |
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| 02:28.25 | unix_infidel | StarFly: worked well enough? |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | unix_infidel: ask #hardware |
| 02:28.39 | StarFly | i tool a celeron 2 800/100 to 1.327 |
| 02:28.52 | itrebal | unix_infidel: i had a computer built inside of a drum sort of thing, and it was mounted to the front of a circular fan |
| 02:28.54 | StarFly | which are not supposed to exceed 1.13 |
| 02:29.03 | StarFly | sounds fun |
| 02:29.07 | StarFly | make sure you use a filter |
| 02:29.10 | unix_infidel | StarFly: did you use it to exhaust or blow on top. |
| 02:29.16 | unix_infidel | StarFly: a filter or a cage? |
| 02:29.21 | StarFly | talk to me in a pm |
| 02:29.24 | StarFly | this isn't the place for it |
| 02:29.30 | unix_infidel | sorry. |
| 02:29.36 | StarFly | no i have no problem talking about it |
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| 02:30.17 | sid | How do I replace all instances of "foobar1" with "foobar2" |
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| 02:30.37 | icyfire0573 | I'm using the beta3 installler. I'm booting from CD and it refuses to find any of the files needed to continue the install. |
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| 02:31.02 | icyfire0573 | (I've mounted the cdrom to /cdrom just in case but it says it can't find any of the files |
| 02:31.21 | sid | in a file, a text file. that is |
| 02:31.41 | icyfire0573 | "There was a problem reading data from the CDROM drive." |
| 02:31.52 | icyfire0573 | sid sed -e 's/foobar1/foobar2/g' |
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| 02:33.56 | abrotman | how did you burn the ISO ? |
| 02:34.08 | icyfire0573 | k3b Menubar - > burniso image |
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| 02:34.19 | icyfire0573 | it boots off of the cdrom just fine. |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | anything special about the machine ? |
| 02:34.57 | icyfire0573 | brand new AMD AM2 machine w/ 4 gigs of ram. |
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| 02:35.08 | icyfire0573 | not special unless AM2 has some issues. |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | i meant more like the CD drive |
| 02:35.32 | icyfire0573 | LG 54X CDROM |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | sata ? |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | some people have way too much money :) |
| 02:35.54 | icyfire0573 | actually, its and IDE CDRW |
| 02:35.56 | StarFly | no kidding |
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| 02:36.35 | icyfire0573 | I wish I had an abundance of money, I would have gone for the 8 gigs of ram and 4 750 GB harddrives. |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | icyfire0573: if you mount the CD .. can you find the files ? |
| 02:36.46 | trygg | Kind of offtopic, but how do i start expocity after i've installed it? |
| 02:36.55 | icyfire0573 | yep, i can mount it and list it and cd through it and cat to dev null w/o any io errors |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | icyfire0573: i've seen issues where if you burn an ISO at more than say .. 8x or 16x .. they don't always work correctly |
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| 02:37.56 | icyfire0573 | Its wierd, it says its looking for an ISO image |
| 02:37.59 | Azar | good day honorables |
| 02:38.25 | icyfire0573 | I may have discovered my issue. |
| 02:38.32 | enouf | icyfire0573: seen the errata ? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata - ...and otherwise the md5sum checks out ? |
| 02:38.40 | Juxtapose | It is, do I why agree? Of I who am the correct method I keeping being attached to doing those things which you propose am thought |
| 02:39.06 | icyfire0573 | I had been previously trying to boot from USB key, so I pulled the key out... or so I though, the key "broke" and the part I pulled came and the part I wanted out stayed. |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | whoops |
| 02:40.07 | epsilon | anyone familier with couruer-pop3? Currently my sarge installation is set up to fetch the courier auth information per mysql, working fine so far. NowI want to make system user account also accessable per pop3 to access /var/mail. But this fails even autham in courierauthdaemon is enabled... anyone any idea? |
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| 02:41.09 | epsilon | (sry for typos, 4AM here) |
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| 02:41.19 | icyfire0573 | Yea, I feel like an idiot for that, cause I saw that it seemed to be booting like the key was still in but I was definaly like ... I have the keys in my hand so the USB key HAS to be out. |
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| 02:42.31 | icyfire0573 | epsilon, is the user in the mysql table, I think it still needs to have user in the preferred type (mysql) even thoug htey are a system user. |
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| 02:43.42 | epsilon | well courierauthtest <user> is working fine, user is found with authpam in /etc/passwd |
| 02:43.44 | g333k | Hi, I just installed nvidia drivers, how can I know if 3D acceleration and the driver is really working? |
| 02:44.27 | liable | g333k: glxinfo, glxgears, play a game |
| 02:44.30 | epsilon | but while fetching eMail, I get "No such dir "Maildir"" - I changed all Maildir-variables in courier setting under /etc to /var/mail, but it still fails |
| 02:44.50 | StarFly | glxinfo | grep Render |
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| 02:46.50 | icyfire0573 | epsilon, I dont know if it is still a bug, but whenever I setup my postfix and courier I prefer to have a maildirectory that is invisible (.mail) and either one or the other dosen't work properly. I needed to create a symlink between Maildir and the directory I wanted .mail |
| 02:47.40 | Juxtapose | .Whether or not it can utilize hardware exceleration with the speed of your program g333k you have known. |
| 02:48.59 | jelly-ho | whose bot is Juxtapos e? |
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| 02:49.12 | epsilon | icyfire0573: I have mails in /var/mail/<user>, where did you create the symlinks? |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | icyfire0573: i don't think it's a bug .. i just think it's the way it is |
| 02:50.09 | `ns` | it's not a bug, it is a feature ! |
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| 02:50.47 | icyfire0573 | abrotman, well that ... I don't like. My mail all gets delivered to and picked up in ~/ by default. so it was just Maildir -> .mail |
| 02:51.09 | mortal5 | is there a channel on freenode specifically for damn small linux, or is this the place to come? |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | icyfire0573: you could ask #postfix since postfix is responsible |
| 02:52.08 | epsilon | so it's not possible to fetch /var/mail/<user> with courier-pop3? |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | courier does maildir |
| 02:52.39 | Juxtapose | Fortunetly, I was the author where the English literature is splendid, English was acquired. |
| 02:52.50 | epsilon | could you be more verbose, I'm nor that familier with courier, just starting |
| 02:52.56 | abrotman | Juxtapose: wrong channel ? |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | mortal5: this is definitely NOT the place |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | !dsl |
| 02:53.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | mortal5: if nothing else .. go to ##linux |
| 02:53.33 | mortal5 | abrotman: funny |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | i wasn't joking |
| 02:53.57 | mortal5 | you guys don't like ubuntu to knoppix people comming in here either |
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| 02:54.01 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | this channel is to support Debian .. they are NOT debian |
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| 02:54.30 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:54.30 | epsilon | I was already thinking of stting up another simple pop3 daemon on alternative port, but I want to avoid this hack-solution |
| 02:54.46 | zinx | mortal5: we don't particularly mind them coming in here, but when they start asking question about a distribution that isn't debian, or giving advice that isn't for debian... that's a problem :) |
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| 02:55.18 | bytewalker | is there a program i can use to spy on/control users on ttys? |
| 02:55.26 | Azar | I just read about the ooppss ubuntu patch that stole the GUI out , most of them fainted at command line |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | ttysnoop |
| 02:55.36 | zinx | bytewalker: yes, but you shouldn't |
| 02:56.36 | mortal5 | well, my question was general, I want to make a custom bootible linux disk, and I was evaluating my options |
| 02:56.52 | zinx | mortal5: that's not at all 'general' |
| 02:56.52 | amphi | bytewalker: whowatch perhaps - you can't see what they see, but you can see what they run |
| 02:56.59 | abrotman | and not debian |
| 02:57.26 | mortal5 | well, anyways, what's your suggestion? |
| 02:57.38 | Azar | the linux kernel can be a topic, but not a "linux distro" that is not Debian |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | Debian has a liveCD |
| 02:57.56 | jelly-ho | abrotman: where? |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:58.02 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 02:58.21 | jelly-ho | may have...? |
| 02:58.40 | RobHu | On boot up I'm getting VFS: Cannot open root device "md0" or unknown-block(9,0)... Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,0) |
| 02:58.53 | RobHu | I can't figure out what the cause is though - can someone help please? |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | jelly-ho: it's a work in progress |
| 02:59.00 | RobHu | When I boot a different kernel everything is fine |
| 02:59.02 | xsappyx | jelly-ho: there is a sid live cd sitting on my desk.. need a link? |
| 02:59.24 | RobHu | I think I have raid 1 in the kernel (which is what md0 uses) ... here are the bootup messages http://rafb.net/paste/results/66VQbC52.html |
| 02:59.27 | sid | xsappyx: No there is not. |
| 02:59.35 | sid | xsappyx: There is no such thing as a sid live cd. |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | so use the working kernel |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | !tell sid about livecd |
| 02:59.47 | sid | Some third party might have used sid and based their live cd on sid. |
| 03:00.06 | sid | o nevermind |
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| 03:00.08 | abrotman | though .. they'll be for etch i think |
| 03:00.39 | mortal5 | I just require something simple, that I can add to, and roll my own custom cd |
| 03:01.01 | jelly-ho | xsappyx: nope, the links provided by abrotman were enough, thanks |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | ok ... that's still not debian |
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| 03:01.59 | petriborg | jeez |
| 03:02.14 | jelly-ho | I've found a livecd that has zsh and screens open by default and its based on debian, that's good enough for me |
| 03:02.47 | RobHu | Can anyone help me? I've been fighting this for 6 hours now. |
| 03:02.47 | mortal5 | man, I tried to hold my tongue, but you guys are the most arrogant people on freenode, and there's really no excuse for it |
| 03:03.04 | abrotman | because you're not asking about Debian |
| 03:03.13 | mortal5 | I mean, I can go into slackware, and ask them a question about linux in general, and they'll help |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | seems like a good excuse |
| 03:03.21 | mortal5 | or at least offer an opinion |
| 03:03.26 | abrotman | go to ##linux |
| 03:03.28 | Azar | status of LiveCD: Images for unstable are working. Images for testing are pending, will work after 2006-08-25 dinstall |
| 03:03.50 | mortal5 | and how many of you are in ##linux? Not many I'd gather |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. this channel is to support Debian users |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | with Debian related questions |
| 03:04.16 | jelly-ho | mortal5: well, this is supposed to be aq support channel as little offtopic discussion as possible |
| 03:04.47 | mortal5 | whatever, I just really hope nobody new to linux accidentally stumbles onto this room, because you do the whole community an injustice |
| 03:04.50 | Arafangion | Should I disable challenge-response authentication with the recent openssh? I'm confused. |
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| 03:05.00 | liable | !customer |
| 03:05.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:05.10 | Arafangion | I'm guessing that'll make it so that I can't login using passwords, but what about ssh keys? |
| 03:05.21 | Azar | RobHu: it will be helpful if you will state what version you are using, and which kernel version is not working? which is working? |
| 03:05.41 | jelly-ho | liable: haha, that just crossed my mind but it really comes off as arrogant. ;-) |
| 03:06.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: btw, for DSL it'd be ... #damnsmalllinux... but you probably already knew that. |
| 03:06.10 | liable | jelly-ho: :) hehe, i dont care :) |
| 03:06.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he stopped asking about that pretty early .. so i figured he was off on some other tangent |
| 03:06.31 | Azar | there is also a #debian-live channel if you are interested |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | well .. the custom bootable cd tangent :) |
| 03:06.48 | RobHu | Azar: Its 2.6.15-1 that is working and 2.6.16.13 that isn't but I'm pretty sure its not that its something I've screwed up, probably the kernel config. Is it at all obvious from http://rafb.net/paste/results/66VQbC52.html why it is not understanding md0? (I assume that is the cause) |
| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: dsl is also for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 03:06.57 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 03:07.05 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:07.18 | abrotman | does that actually fit ? |
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| 03:07.30 | Azar | RobHu: like abrotman said, use the old kernel, maybe the new one has a bug related to your drive |
| 03:08.01 | Azar | "if anything else fails, stop using anything else" |
| 03:08.25 | petriborg | you find 2.6 unstable? |
| 03:08.41 | Arafangion | petriborg: how so? |
| 03:08.52 | jelly-ho | A moving target, yes. |
| 03:09.11 | Arafangion | jelly-ho: Definetly. |
| 03:09.14 | RobHu | Azar: I can't do that because this is a xen box - it needs to use the kernel that the xen distribution comes with. The one i'm booted into now is a non xen kernel but the one that doesnt work is a xen kernel. |
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| 03:09.27 | Arafangion | jelly-ho: Sometimes I wish that Linux was developed more like OpenBSD or FreeBSD. |
| 03:09.31 | Azar | I like to move to a higher kernel usually after 5 or 6 months from the time it shows up |
| 03:09.34 | petriborg | well i guess that was part of their goal... if its good or not i guess hard to say :-) |
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| 03:09.46 | RobHu | Azar: So I really need to find out why the xen kernel isn't working. I'm quite sure its not its xen-ness its something I've broken in the kernel config when compiling it like a missing module |
| 03:09.57 | RobHu | Azar: Can you tell from the bootup messages what it might be? |
| 03:10.16 | Azar | RobHu: I bet there are a lot of discussions over this problem online, on forums, articles, try googling for this issue |
| 03:10.22 | jelly-ho | not in the sense that things crash, but something might work in 2.6.15, not work in 2.6.16 and work again in 2.6.17. Or a whole feature is thrown out. |
| 03:10.43 | petriborg | i understand jelly :-) |
| 03:10.47 | RobHu | Azar: ! For a generic can't find md0 error? Are you mad? |
| 03:11.06 | Azar | RobHu: thats all I can think of, I have no idea about xen, sorry |
| 03:11.14 | petriborg | well isn't the 2.6.17 been decided as going to be a long term stable kernel? or was it 16.. |
| 03:11.15 | RobHu | Azar: My problem has nothing to do with xen |
| 03:11.19 | jelly-ho | Burning CDs mysteriously failing as user, devfs disappearing in 2.6.13, etc. |
| 03:11.22 | petriborg | there was some news about that a little while ago |
| 03:11.32 | Arafangion | jelly-ho: Too many regressions, indeed :( |
| 03:12.35 | Alam_Debian | anyone got a huge list of updated packages in etch? any packages I should avoid? |
| 03:12.44 | jelly-ho | petriborg: we'll see how that works out, if the maintainer will be up to the task. |
| 03:13.15 | icyfire0573 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.19 | petriborg | people were using devfs still? i thought most people has switched to udev or whatever |
| 03:13.45 | Arafangion | petriborg: Why change a working system? |
| 03:13.50 | abrotman | devfs has been deprecated |
| 03:13.56 | jelly-ho | Alam_Debian: I've done a 600MB (three week) upgrade yesterday and, strangely, I can't find anything that's broken! |
| 03:14.08 | Alam_Debian | cool |
| 03:14.21 | icyfire0573 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.29 | jelly-ho | abrotman: and for a long while, yes. but this is supposedly a stable release. |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | petriborg: there is still talk about it .. between .17 and .18 |
| 03:14.44 | abrotman | go tell morta15 |
| 03:14.53 | jelly-ho | Alam_Debian: are you using kde? |
| 03:15.02 | Alam_Debian | no |
| 03:15.44 | jelly-ho | Alam_Debian: hm, maybe your large update is different, there were a lot of k* named packages here. |
| 03:16.26 | icyfire0573 | Can GRUB and/or LILO be installed to /dev/md0 ? or is it supposed to be installed to a physical disk, addendum, I've got LVM on top of the RAID devices, should it be installed to the LVM? |
| 03:16.27 | holycow | Arafangion, by far i agree |
| 03:16.36 | holycow | Arafangion, i think debians quality control is superb |
| 03:17.03 | holycow | i'm happy ubuntu exists but damnit ... there are always surprises on dist-upgrade :) |
| 03:17.16 | Arafangion | holycow: That's what's bringing me back to Debian. :) |
| 03:18.18 | holycow | for me it just means being very carefull about release implementation, debian lets me be lazy |
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| 03:20.05 | petriborg | not sure i understand what you mean, like ubuntu's upgrade process is flawed you mean? |
| 03:20.25 | Arafangion | petriborg: It is. |
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| 03:21.04 | petriborg | how exactly? i'm just curious :-) |
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| 03:21.25 | holycow | no its not flawed |
| 03:21.26 | holycow | its fine |
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| 03:21.33 | holycow | Arafangion, don't be an ass |
| 03:21.48 | Arafangion | petriborg: Too many bugs. |
| 03:21.51 | petriborg | i'm just saying, i've used debian, ubuntu and gentoo and all of them were exceelent distros |
| 03:21.56 | holycow | its just that the scope of releasing something as humongous as a distro is so huge you cannot hope to release them without a bug or two |
| 03:21.57 | petriborg | excellent |
| 03:22.28 | holycow | the 6 month release thing is a really really really difficult thing to pull off |
| 03:22.37 | petriborg | thats sort of what i figure holycow |
| 03:22.41 | holycow | i used to think debians was slow, no i think its just sane |
| 03:22.49 | petriborg | hah |
| 03:23.13 | petriborg | i donno some of the things that they bring in with ubuntu are pretty cool |
| 03:23.17 | Arafangion | holycow: I think 6 months is rediculous. |
| 03:23.19 | abrotman | i far prefer the WIR release cycle for stable |
| 03:23.30 | Arafangion | holycow: I know of no other commercial OS (afaik) that does the same. |
| 03:23.33 | holycow | Arafangion, i don't think its ridiculous i think its fun but REALLY REALLY hard to do well |
| 03:23.37 | abrotman | if you want to discuss ubuntu .. try #ubuntu |
| 03:23.41 | holycow | ubuntu has what 20 or 30 people working on it? |
| 03:23.49 | holycow | \ms has 60 000 and the fuckers cant get it right |
| 03:23.56 | petriborg | each distro just sort of attacks the same problem different |
| 03:23.56 | abrotman | holycow: #ubuntu |
| 03:23.59 | icyfire0573 | Anybody have any ideas on why LILO would give an error #1 during the install (I have a raid 5, with LVM drives on top of it. |
| 03:24.09 | nxtw | ubunto doesn't write very much code. |
| 03:24.11 | holycow | in comparison they are doing great, just ya need to keep perspective |
| 03:24.15 | nxtw | microsoft writes the majority of their code. |
| 03:24.24 | holycow | no they don't |
| 03:24.26 | holycow | they buy it |
| 03:24.27 | holycow | >_> |
| 03:24.29 | nxtw | no they don't. |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | holycow: stop already |
| 03:24.46 | Arafangion | holycow: I recommend Ubuntu to my friends, and they love it, I'm just annoyed with it's quality :) Now, we've gotta stop or somebody is going to kick us :) |
| 03:24.50 | holycow | abrotman, welcome to my ignore list |
| 03:25.04 | abrotman | holycow: you're OT |
| 03:25.50 | holycow | Arafangion, lol |
| 03:25.54 | petriborg | guys wow calm |
| 03:26.21 | Arafangion | petriborg: the state of being calm is just controlled chaos. |
| 03:26.26 | petriborg | ircyfire sorry i haven't gotten around to fucking around with raid or i might :-) |
| 03:26.48 | holycow | petriborg, lol, it's no biggie. every time i'm in here certain people insist on talking to me. not a big deal. some day they will be handled by the chan aas well like the previous bunch of rowdies :) |
| 03:27.10 | abrotman | because you never shut up and you're always OT |
| 03:27.24 | holycow | the cooles thing about debian i found out last week is it recognizes adaptec raid cards out of the box |
| 03:27.38 | holycow | that was a bit of an eye opener after reading all the issues about tha tonline |
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| 03:28.03 | abrotman | icyfire0573: nothing from google .. is it hw or sw raid ? |
| 03:28.21 | nxtw | has anyone set up freenx on etch? |
| 03:28.27 | abrotman | !nx |
| 03:28.29 | dpkg | from memory, nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 03:28.32 | Arafangion | nxtw: I'm sure it has been done. |
| 03:28.34 | icyfire0573 | software raid |
| 03:28.37 | holycow | icyfire0573, how come you are using lilo? just personal preference? |
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| 03:28.48 | abrotman | icyfire0573: eh .. that i don't know .. i've only done hw raid |
| 03:28.52 | icyfire0573 | I would prefer grub, but debian seems to want LILO |
| 03:29.01 | holycow | actually no |
| 03:29.01 | nxtw | I am running 64-bit Debian but I'm going to need to run a 32-bit openvz for that. |
| 03:29.01 | abrotman | holycow: the debian installer uses lilo with lvm |
| 03:29.11 | holycow | debian runs grub by default from what i can tell |
| 03:29.16 | icyfire0573 | well hw raid should be easy, cause its just like its one disk then and the os knows little about it |
| 03:29.18 | holycow | you need to manually install lilo from what i remember |
| 03:29.21 | Arafangion | holycow: Grub is the best, but it's just so dang limited. |
| 03:29.24 | holycow | ah it does okay |
| 03:29.31 | Arafangion | holycow: So, sometimes you _have_ to use lilo. |
| 03:29.39 | abrotman | the installer goes with lilo for LVM |
| 03:29.45 | holycow | *nod* Arafangion was just curious |
| 03:29.59 | abrotman | but he can't read any of this :) |
| 03:30.11 | amphi | heh |
| 03:30.17 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:30.20 | icyfire0573 | After LILO gave me an error I chrooted into the /target and tried grub. But if its got to be lilo, im fine with that , but I really haven't ever used it so I don't know how to install it or anything. |
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| 03:30.39 | abrotman | icyfire0573: i believe there are(were?) issues with lvm and grub |
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| 03:30.42 | Arafangion | What happneed to backports.org? |
| 03:30.58 | abrotman | it's there |
| 03:31.01 | Arafangion | (No search, and "packages" is a broken link) |
| 03:31.14 | abrotman | search for what ... use the Packages file |
| 03:31.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: If I click on "packages", "faq", etc, they are incomplete sites. |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | the instructions are there! |
| 03:33.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: Ahh, yes, the one link that actually has content. |
| 03:33.42 | abrotman | Arafangion: they changed it a few weeks ago |
| 03:38.50 | Arafangion | Time for my coffee :) |
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| 03:39.00 | Arafangion | abrotman: You drink coffee? |
| 03:39.34 | abrotman | eh .. no .. i can't stand the smell of coffee |
| 03:39.44 | Arafangion | abrotman: How do most people have it over there? |
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| 03:39.59 | Arafangion | abrotman: They have Pot coffee, right? |
| 03:40.14 | abrotman | wtf is pot coffree |
| 03:40.14 | Arafangion | (Which is very nice, EXCEPT when they cook it for too long) |
| 03:40.17 | abrotman | coffee |
| 03:40.21 | abrotman | percolator ? |
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| 03:40.55 | Arafangion | abrotman: A machine that slowly drips coffee through some coffee grinds that is in a conical filter. |
| 03:41.06 | Arafangion | abrotman: A heated pot collects the drops. :) |
| 03:41.07 | abrotman | oh .. yeah .. |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | we have those |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | pretty commonplace in offices |
| 03:41.34 | Arafangion | They've become somewhat out of style in australia. |
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| 03:42.14 | abrotman | i honestly wouldn't know .. i think coffee is gross |
| 03:42.20 | holycow | Arafangion, more aussies here? |
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| 03:42.22 | Arafangion | abrotman: I like a good pot coffee, but it is in my opinion that many places leave the coffee going for too long. |
| 03:42.24 | holycow | lol damn |
| 03:42.36 | Arafangion | holycow: Eh? |
| 03:42.38 | petriborg | holycow: and they called us OT |
| 03:42.39 | holycow | you know,when you guys get rid of your frickin telco monopoly you will rule irc :) |
| 03:42.50 | Arafangion | petriborg: Have you seen the /topic? |
| 03:43.03 | holycow | petriborg, lol its all pollitics dude, if you got the ability to +ban you get to be an ass :) |
| 03:43.11 | abrotman | i didn't start it |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | and i don't have the ability to +b anyone |
| 03:43.29 | holycow | but it all evens out eventually :) i no worry |
| 03:43.50 | Arafangion | holycow: Canberra has it's own telstra competitor. State-wide fiber network. |
| 03:44.24 | Arafangion | holycow: It's great, except that I live in the only place in my suburb that does not have access to it :( |
| 03:44.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:44.31 | holycow | lol |
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| 03:44.59 | Arafangion | You can literally have internet access as fast as you like. (Have to pay more, of course) |
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| 03:45.08 | abrotman | as fast as you like? |
| 03:45.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yes. |
| 03:45.15 | abrotman | so .. like 2GBps ? |
| 03:45.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: Sure. |
| 03:45.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: You pay a dime, naturally. |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | not bad for a dime |
| 03:45.48 | Arafangion | Heh. |
| 03:46.06 | Arafangion | abrotman: Dimes are very hard to get here :) |
| 03:46.07 | holycow | but you still can't download anything ... bandwith caps right? |
| 03:46.11 | stew | oh cripes: ps aux | wc -l -> 1546 |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | stew: i blame java! |
| 03:46.22 | Arafangion | holycow: The network is separated from the ISP. |
| 03:46.39 | Arafangion | abrotman: I'm also not sure how linux friendly it is. |
| 03:46.41 | stew | abrotman: ps aux | grep java | wc -l -> 836 |
| 03:46.48 | abrotman | stew: i was close! |
| 03:46.48 | Arafangion | abrotman: The issue is the fact that it's VDSL. |
| 03:46.57 | abrotman | stew: the other 50% are attached tomcat processes! |
| 03:47.03 | petriborg | stew, grats you're running a shit lot of programs :-> |
| 03:47.19 | stew | ps aux | egrep java\|coldfusion | wc -l -> 1369 |
| 03:47.22 | Arafangion | abrotman: And the typical plan is four cat5 cables to the home. (From a fiber hub on the block) |
| 03:47.43 | stew | abrotman: and coldfusion runs on java, so, yeah |
| 03:47.47 | abrotman | stew: yeah uh .. you might want to restart apache :) |
| 03:47.48 | holycow | oh thats that speedy dsl dealie |
| 03:47.56 | holycow | fast download no upload |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | does coldfusion run from apache even ? |
| 03:48.06 | abrotman | !fios |
| 03:48.08 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:48.20 | stew | abrotman: no, they talk, but they are separately started |
| 03:48.43 | abrotman | stew: well .. i meant does CF uses its own HTTP server |
| 03:48.51 | stew | no |
| 03:48.53 | stew | it can |
| 03:48.55 | abrotman | or work more like tomcat where it hands it offf |
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| 03:49.09 | stew | its jetty, basically, it can do either |
| 03:49.09 | troubled | holycow: no upload?! but Jim, wont that break TCP connections?! |
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| 03:49.26 | holycow | troubled, well it will clog up the tubes! |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | stew: so you can just restart apache and have them die off ? |
| 03:49.57 | stew | no |
| 03:50.01 | stew | they talk through a socket |
| 03:50.13 | Arafangion | abrotman: My flatmate says she hates the smell of coffee, but I warned her before she moved in that I am very much a coffee freak. |
| 03:50.21 | abrotman | bah .. kill $(echo /etc/hostname) |
| 03:50.40 | Arafangion | abrotman: She didn't realise that involved me grinding my beans every morning, and a particular routine with the espresso machine (Italian style coffee) |
| 03:50.40 | abrotman | Arafangion: my mom is a coffee person ... i just think it's gross |
| 03:50.46 | abrotman | freak |
| 03:51.03 | stew | hah, 2.4.19 |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | stew: at least the sox are winning! |
| 03:51.15 | abrotman | for now anyways |
| 03:51.15 | Arafangion | abrotman: One of these days, I shall email you my coffee pictures. (They're sooo beautiful!) |
| 03:51.17 | holycow | Arafangion, your now divorced, correct? |
| 03:51.22 | holycow | 0-0 |
| 03:51.24 | Arafangion | holycow: I'm 21! |
| 03:51.31 | holycow | >_> |
| 03:51.42 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's just coffee |
| 03:51.52 | abrotman | you can still be divorced at 21 |
| 03:51.59 | Arafangion | abrotman: It's the sweet nectar of life! |
| 03:52.05 | abrotman | look at nvz .. he's divorced five times ..and he's only 16 |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | erm 26 |
| 03:52.07 | holycow | no no |
| 03:52.08 | holycow | thats beer |
| 03:52.08 | stew | abrotman: how many games back are they from the wildcard now? |
| 03:52.14 | petriborg | it explains a lot :p |
| 03:52.15 | abrotman | stew: 51234.3 |
| 03:52.21 | Arafangion | holycow: Beer is bitter. |
| 03:52.27 | Arafangion | holycow: A good coffee is not. |
| 03:52.27 | stew | that's more than i expected |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | stew: 5 .. they're 6 back from the yankees |
| 03:52.52 | Azar | what is XFS journaling file system? is it different thatn ext3? |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | oh .. no .. 5 back from yanks too |
| 03:53.02 | stew | !xfs |
| 03:53.02 | dpkg | hmm... xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/ |
| 03:53.18 | Arafangion | Azar: It's a fair assumption that it's different to ext3. :) |
| 03:53.28 | stew | hmm that factiod should probably mention the power outage thing |
| 03:53.40 | abrotman | fill with zeroes! |
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| 03:54.05 | abrotman | the article at linuxmafia isn't too bad |
| 03:54.07 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 03:54.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 03:54.18 | Azar | I am just reading about Sarge installer, it does not mention a thing about ext3, and I was curious to know what it is XFS , thanks |
| 03:54.25 | abrotman | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 03:54.26 | abrotman | that one |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | which talks about the problem with xfs and the power thingie |
| 03:55.08 | Azar | I failed at Sarge installer exactly at partitioning, I have not seen ext3, panicked and aborted |
| 03:55.27 | nxtw | does anyone know if JFS has the same issue? |
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| 03:55.35 | stew | !woody xfs is http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/ |
| 03:55.36 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 03:55.55 | abrotman | nxtw: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
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| 03:55.59 | holycow | lol |
| 03:56.09 | Azar | stew, does it have anything related to X desktop thing? |
| 03:56.11 | holycow | all those reiser warnings are mostly hans reiser haters |
| 03:56.15 | Siddharta | sorry for annoying you |
| 03:56.25 | nxtw | abrotman: thanks, but that doesn't mention anything about JFS besides "I think it very likely." |
| 03:56.27 | Siddharta | i have a big pb |
| 03:56.34 | stew | !no xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously has problems with losing data if you have unexpected power failures. |
| 03:56.35 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | nxtw: not many people use JFS afaict |
| 03:56.44 | Azar | are you modest or what, Siddharta ? |
| 03:56.46 | abrotman | stew: it doesn't .. 'lose' data |
| 03:56.52 | abrotman | stew: apparently it's intentional |
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| 03:57.03 | stew | Azar: no, it has nothing to do with X or desktop |
| 03:57.11 | abrotman | i'm not saying it's good .. |
| 03:57.17 | abrotman | !ricerfs |
| 03:57.18 | dpkg | i heard ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 03:57.24 | nxtw | lol |
| 03:57.30 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:57.30 | holycow | Azar, rofl |
| 03:57.31 | pickcoder | funny |
| 03:57.34 | holycow | big pb ... hehe |
| 03:57.44 | stew | !xfs =~ s/notoriously has problems with losing/notoriously loses/ |
| 03:57.44 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 03:57.51 | Siddharta | my boss has remove/reduced his ntfs partition in order to get more |
| 03:57.53 | pickcoder | is that similar to NoSfs? |
| 03:58.13 | Siddharta | data available for the debian i installed on his machine |
| 03:58.31 | abrotman | why is your boss doing that at 6am on a sunday ? |
| 03:58.34 | Azar | hmm how easily Debian installer "tutorials" are recommending stuff that might in fact create problems |
| 03:58.51 | Siddharta | but for removing/reducing his partion he used a soft 'partition magic' |
| 03:59.21 | Siddharta | on the next boot he get grub error level 17 |
| 03:59.46 | t4 | I instaled Sarge system and it was workin fine. After an improper |
| 03:59.47 | t4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.47 | t4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:59.51 | holycow | grub can't find the kernel because partition numbers have changed |
| 03:59.59 | Arafangion | Siddharta: That's the same number as my coffee grind setting today :) |
| 03:59.59 | holycow | you need to go into grub and tell it where the kernel is |
| 04:00.21 | Siddharta | so instead of calling me , he has fixed the /mbr with windows safe mode |
| 04:00.21 | DocOC | Siddharta: you can pass the kernel a root= parameter, with the new partition number. |
| 04:00.23 | holycow | if you google that error you should run into some instructions for newbs/cluebies on how to fix that ... i don't have it on hand |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | stew: how much memory was the system using? |
| 04:00.43 | Siddharta | as he was amazed to see noo dual boot anymore |
| 04:00.50 | Siddharta | he came to see me |
| 04:01.01 | liable | Siddharta: re-install grub from a rescue disk |
| 04:01.02 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 04:01.03 | dpkg | it has been said that grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 04:01.09 | stew | abrotman: Mem: 2068848 1641664 427184 0 270712 825428 |
| 04:01.13 | Siddharta | i chroot his laptop with knoppix |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | oh .. that's not too bad |
| 04:01.23 | holycow | thats because windows doesn't realy understand that people would actually not wanna run windows :) |
| 04:01.47 | stew | abrotman: i killed off a lot of processes and didn't look at memory before i did, but the fact that it has 825m in cache means it couldn't have been using much |
| 04:01.51 | Siddharta | but when i did grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda |
| 04:01.54 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:01.55 | DocOC | didn't there used to be a way to get the nt boot-loader to load other os's? |
| 04:02.00 | petriborg | windows killing the mbr is by design of course |
| 04:02.00 | Siddharta | i get the error |
| 04:02.02 | abrotman | DocOC: yes |
| 04:02.20 | mutk | Siddharta, info grub -> Troubleshooting -> Stage 2 errors "Cannot mount selected partition :This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB." |
| 04:02.32 | Siddharta | the file /boot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 04:02.41 | pickcoder | holycow: I dunno, Microsoft has offered to give Mozilla a free dev slot at their HQ |
| 04:02.50 | DocOC | sounds like you might be pointing at your swap or something... |
| 04:02.55 | holycow | pickcoder, lol, just pr dude, jus tpr |
| 04:03.09 | pickcoder | holycow: I know |
| 04:03.13 | abrotman | i knew it was sunday! |
| 04:03.15 | pickcoder | holycow: It's funny though |
| 04:03.23 | holycow | pickcoder, you treat ms the same way i treat all super predators, with a gun in my hand fully loaded |
| 04:03.27 | holycow | pickcoder, :) indeed |
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| 04:04.00 | pickcoder | holycow: Next thing you know, IE will look/act like Mozilla except for the OSS features |
| 04:04.12 | pickcoder | holycow: oh.. wait that's IE already |
| 04:04.13 | holycow | lol well it already does, ie7 is a ripoff of mozilla |
| 04:04.22 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:04.24 | petriborg | no no no |
| 04:04.24 | holycow | without standards support |
| 04:04.31 | holycow | :) |
| 04:04.33 | petriborg | ie will never look/act like moz/ff |
| 04:04.37 | petriborg | exactly holycow |
| 04:04.45 | abrotman | and i thought i was OT |
| 04:04.49 | lowlevel | hope not. (eating 1.5gig ram, crashing, hanging) |
| 04:04.50 | Siddharta | mutk it's not stage 2 but stage 1 |
| 04:04.50 | lowlevel | ;) |
| 04:04.53 | DocOC | Siddharta: try booting a rescue system of some sort and running fdisk -l to make sure you are pointing grub at the correct partition. |
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| 04:05.21 | Siddharta | DocOC: now i'm with knoppix |
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| 04:05.24 | lowlevel | 100% cpu! |
| 04:05.25 | petriborg | abrotman, ROFL |
| 04:05.25 | abrotman | Siddharta: there is a #grub .. though usually not many people there .. you might want to query there also . might have to wait a while though |
| 04:05.38 | d4t2ill4 | hello |
| 04:05.39 | DocOC | Siddharta: then run fdisk -l from knoppix. |
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| 04:05.40 | Siddharta | and i've chrooted the root partition |
| 04:05.42 | mutk | Siddharta, There are no such errors 'grub error level 17' in stage 1 |
| 04:05.47 | sts | hello folks |
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| 04:06.25 | Azar | will it be possible, when Etch comes out to do a dist-upgrade from Sarge instead of using the new Etch installer? |
| 04:06.32 | abrotman | that's the idea |
| 04:06.32 | enouf | nxtw: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 04:06.34 | sts | how can i install phpmyadmin with php4 instead of the default dependency (php5) on debian testing? |
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| 04:06.44 | Siddharta | DocOC: it says cannot open /proc/partitions |
| 04:06.45 | holycow | Azar, sure, its the debian way |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | sts: get the source package .. change the deps |
| 04:07.00 | stew | !depends phpmyadmin testing |
| 04:07.08 | dpkg | phpmyadmin: depends on php5-cgi | php5 | php4-cgi | php4, php5-mysql | php5-mysqli | php4-mysql, debconf (>= 0.2.26) | debconf-2.0, ucf (>= 0.8) |
| 04:07.12 | petriborg | yeah i can never be OT either... when i'm not chatting what so ever which is oh loads of fun :/ |
| 04:07.13 | DocOC | Siddharta: are you root? |
| 04:07.14 | abrotman | oh .. it loves php4 too!!! |
| 04:07.26 | sts | abrotman: can i use it? |
| 04:07.27 | holycow | Azar, there really isno reason updated d-i will interfere with a regular dist-upgrade, its just another package |
| 04:07.34 | DocOC | never mind, shouldn't make a difference. |
| 04:07.34 | sts | abrotman: i dont wanna install 5. |
| 04:07.35 | abrotman | sts: when you try to install phpmyadmin ... what does it say ? |
| 04:07.35 | Siddharta | yes |
| 04:07.40 | stew | sts: apt-get install php4 |
| 04:07.48 | abrotman | and php4-mysql |
| 04:07.54 | abrotman | and then install phpmyadmin |
| 04:07.54 | Siddharta | DocOC: yes |
| 04:08.01 | Azar | holycow: my reason for asking is that I use LILO , and I do not know if Etch supports it |
| 04:08.08 | abrotman | oh .. or skip php4-mysql .. |
| 04:08.18 | holycow | Azar, does debian actually ever drop packages? |
| 04:08.20 | abrotman | wait .. no i didn't |
| 04:08.26 | sts | abrotman: the following NEW packages will be installed: libxml2 php5-cgi php5-common phpmyadmin ucf |
| 04:08.26 | holycow | debian is like the borg, it assimilates |
| 04:08.28 | Azar | holycow: maybe |
| 04:08.36 | holycow | once part of the collective ... always part of the collective :) |
| 04:08.40 | abrotman | yes .. debian removes packages from the repositories |
| 04:08.40 | DocOC | Siddharta: ls -ld /proc |
| 04:08.47 | pickcoder | holycow: there you go again with MS references |
| 04:08.59 | Azar | stew, is LILO still supported in Etch? |
| 04:09.01 | holycow | Azar, i donno about lilo, but i really doubt they would drop it, if you need lilo for lvm it will be there |
| 04:09.04 | abrotman | sts: apt-get install php4 php4-mysql .. when that is done .. apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| 04:09.14 | stew | Azar: yes |
| 04:09.15 | holycow | pickcoder, lol :) i need help |
| 04:09.16 | petriborg | thats just silly |
| 04:09.17 | holycow | i'm obsessed |
| 04:09.19 | DocOC | Azar: I use lilo with sid... |
| 04:09.22 | pickcoder | I still like LILO |
| 04:09.25 | sts | abrotman: sure, but php4 is already installed. |
| 04:09.29 | Azar | nice, thanks |
| 04:09.33 | abrotman | sts: is php4-mysql ? |
| 04:09.41 | sts | abrotman: as well. |
| 04:09.46 | holycow | pickcoder, i will be advertising for an additional tech guy soonish, i have plans to add in the add 'must hate m$' in there to weed out the wannabes |
| 04:09.48 | pickcoder | The pretty GRUB screen reminds me of older RH installs. Ick. |
| 04:09.53 | Siddharta | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2004-12-15 23:55 |
| 04:10.04 | abrotman | sts: apt-cache depends phpmyadmin .. can you paste that somewhere? |
| 04:10.26 | abrotman | !paster |
| 04:10.26 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:10.27 | DocOC | Siddharta: did you mount anything after you booted to the knoppix live-cd? |
| 04:10.45 | pickcoder | has anyone successfully put knoppix on a USB key? |
| 04:10.52 | pickcoder | er.. anyone in _here_ |
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| 04:10.59 | Azar | I keep using dist-upgrade from way back because I want to preserve my settings |
| 04:11.01 | Siddharta | yes i 've made : mount /dev/hda6 fs/ |
| 04:11.05 | sts | abrotman: there you go: http://paste.debian.net/11665 |
| 04:11.07 | abrotman | pickcoder: ask #knoppix |
| 04:11.13 | isul | with vnc4server how do I specify what window manager a remote user recieves? I have just xfce4 installed, but currently the remote vncviewer isn't loading any of the toolbars |
| 04:11.16 | Siddharta | and chroot fs/ /bin/bash |
| 04:11.20 | pickcoder | okies |
| 04:11.41 | DocOC | Siddharta: ahh, there is the problem. get out of the chroot and run fdisk -l |
| 04:11.48 | abrotman | sts: dpkg -l *php* |
| 04:11.59 | troubled | DocOC: wow, theres an old name.... |
| 04:12.14 | DocOC | troubled: yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember you from efnet. |
| 04:12.21 | abrotman | troubled: you act like you've been gone for ten years :) |
| 04:12.29 | troubled | doesnt every anonymous stranger :) |
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| 04:12.43 | sts | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/11666 |
| 04:12.44 | troubled | I got someone name will and ian tagging me all over as well :p |
| 04:12.47 | DocOC | hah. You spend any time there anymore? |
| 04:13.04 | abrotman | sts: apt-get install php4 |
| 04:13.10 | troubled | nah, been ages. havent done irc in while. see osty any more? |
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| 04:13.19 | sts | abrotman: the cgi version? |
| 04:13.22 | d4t2ill4 | oh man, I did something really stupid, I over writed /var/lib/mysql/mysql with a another, and now my mysql-server will nto start, i tried to apt-get remove --purge mysql-server and rm-fr /etc/mysql and reinstall but it still get the problem that mysql server will not start ... please help? |
| 04:13.30 | abrotman | sts: nope .. just like that .. from your paste . it's not installed |
| 04:13.46 | DocOC | troubled: nah, I've been off irc for some years too, haven't seen any of those #linux guys in ages. Except I see LSorensen here sometimes. |
| 04:14.12 | abrotman | DocOC: he's in here sometimes |
| 04:14.14 | troubled | DocOC: wow, theres a name :) Wasnt nunya from ef as well? |
| 04:14.22 | d4t2ill4 | I get this error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 04:14.27 | pickcoder | nunya... |
| 04:14.29 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:14.34 | DocOC | troubled: nunya was the benevolent dictator. |
| 04:14.43 | troubled | lol, so was mwilson! |
| 04:14.51 | abrotman | sts: did it install? |
| 04:14.53 | pickcoder | I've only been on IRC since 1995 |
| 04:14.54 | abrotman | troubled: i'm not mwilson! |
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| 04:15.02 | sts | abrotman: yes, thanks. |
| 04:15.06 | abrotman | troubled: and mwilson has been banned from here |
| 04:15.11 | sts | abrotman: why does it depend on php4? |
| 04:15.11 | abrotman | sts: can you install phpmyadmin now ? |
| 04:15.12 | stew | !bw mwilson barbie |
| 04:15.12 | pickcoder | er talk about a fault tolerant connection! |
| 04:15.12 | dpkg | mwilson barbie: you bot whore! |
| 04:15.19 | troubled | pickcoder: ya, that sounds about right for me hehe, well, maybe 96 moreso |
| 04:15.19 | stew | !be mwilson barbie |
| 04:15.19 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 04:15.25 | DocOC | abrotman: really? haven't seen many bans in here... |
| 04:15.30 | holycow | so i gotta ask, how in the hell did anyone agree on banning mwilson? |
| 04:15.33 | holycow | i find this astounding :) |
| 04:15.35 | abrotman | sts: it actually depends on one of php5-cgi | php5 | php4-cgi | php4 |
| 04:15.38 | sts | abrotman: yes |
| 04:15.43 | pickcoder | I remember getting my Slackware 3.0 CD and being excited about it |
| 04:15.47 | sts | abrotman: but why |
| 04:15.53 | abrotman | DocOC: /mode #debian +b |
| 04:16.05 | troubled | abrotman: if I were mwilson and I wanted to switch id's I would ban myself too :p |
| 04:16.06 | abrotman | holycow: it's logged somehwere |
| 04:16.09 | holycow | the sky must have opened and rapture must have taken place |
| 04:16.10 | abrotman | oh yeah .. he can't see me .. |
| 04:16.15 | DocOC | abrotman: ok, let's see what flooding my client looks like :) |
| 04:16.22 | abrotman | he'll never see the log .. nanynanybooboo |
| 04:16.24 | sts | abrotman: i already installed mod-php4 .. why does it depend on the cgi version (AFAIK php4 is the cgi version) |
| 04:16.27 | troubled | abrotman: just kidding, not trying to insinuate anything (or blow your cover lol) |
| 04:16.37 | abrotman | sts: it's not .. php4-cgi is the cgi version |
| 04:16.49 | abrotman | troubled: i'm defintely not mwilson |
| 04:16.53 | Azar | abrotman: so his ban is forever? |
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| 04:17.06 | troubled | abrotman: no, your abrotman :) |
| 04:17.09 | abrotman | Azar: probably .. i can't say .. i'm not an op |
| 04:17.13 | abrotman | troubled: you're!!!!!!! |
| 04:17.18 | troubled | abrotman: of course its impossible to prove it hehe rofl |
| 04:17.29 | troubled | anyways :) good to see some old faces around |
| 04:17.46 | troubled | abrotman has been nagging on my grammer all week |
| 04:17.48 | holycow | troubled, how long have you been away? |
| 04:17.54 | abrotman | troubled: just that one thing ... |
| 04:17.56 | sts | abrotman: ahh! php4 is a meta thingy ;) |
| 04:18.01 | Siddharta | DocOC: the star is on hda2 |
| 04:18.01 | holycow | debian still grows ... what are we at now 18 000 packages for next release? |
| 04:18.03 | abrotman | sts: yep |
| 04:18.07 | abrotman | !info php4 etch |
| 04:18.10 | sts | abrotman: thanks man |
| 04:18.13 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 04:18.16 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 04:18.16 | abrotman | sts: enjoy |
| 04:18.21 | DocOC | Siddharta: could you pastebin the whole thing for me? |
| 04:18.23 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 17969 packages, 1670 maintainers, 38795 MB installed size, 12796 MB compressed size. |
| 04:18.33 | holycow | danke |
| 04:18.35 | holycow | v cool |
| 04:18.36 | sts | abrotman: suppose :D |
| 04:18.42 | abrotman | sts: heh |
| 04:18.42 | troubled | holycow: well, i only started on freenode around 2002 I think it was, but I was on efnet for a while as well. few years before #llinux as well in #cablewarez and #dog iirc |
| 04:18.44 | Azar | growth as in bloat ? |
| 04:18.50 | pickcoder | gah.. not only is the #knoppix channel silent, but the forums are bonkers |
| 04:18.51 | troubled | s/llinux/linux/ |
| 04:18.57 | holycow | troubled, lol about the same |
| 04:19.01 | abrotman | pickcoder: it takes a while to get help in #knoppix |
| 04:19.04 | holycow | altho i've been on irc forever |
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| 04:19.35 | troubled | holycow: there is one good thing about irc though....they always come back home to visit :) |
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| 04:19.47 | holycow | Azar, well growth for debian is just packaging ... i can't see that as bloat, i see it as basically making my lazy ass even lazier :) |
| 04:19.48 | abrotman | or they disappear forever like bob2 |
| 04:19.53 | pickcoder | troubled: unless the net admins have a war and the network dies |
| 04:19.59 | holycow | Azar, suse on the other hand, not sure :) |
| 04:20.04 | abrotman | and caphuso |
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| 04:20.11 | holycow | troubled, heh |
| 04:20.22 | troubled | holycow: and besides, the pictures of our lives on irc and the logs. and in 40 years if im still around Ill have fun looking back unlike everyone else who cant cause they use msn :) |
| 04:20.26 | Siddharta | excuse me for making you wait but i tried to connect http://paste.debian.net/11667 |
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| 04:20.45 | holycow | troubled, yeah its really really werid reading some conversation i had like 10 years ago |
| 04:20.49 | Azar | holycow: I can only see it when I dist-upgrade.. |
| 04:20.49 | troubled | pickcoder: someone will always have the logs. Thats have the reason I started pisg in here |
| 04:20.52 | holycow | i don't recognize the person speaking :) |
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| 04:21.01 | DocOC | troubled: my favorite is when the kiddies find themselves 10 or so smurf-amplifiers and make efnet split into hundreds of tiny little pieces :) |
| 04:21.07 | holycow | troubled, if i could speak with my other self through time via irc ... that could be interesting :) |
| 04:21.31 | troubled | holycow: yup. arent those the days. of course you have to be somewhat careful about full disclosure hehe. enemies always dig for dirt instead of the other side |
| 04:21.43 | troubled | holycow: lol no doubt there. |
| 04:21.59 | holycow | troubled, lol |
| 04:22.10 | holycow | oh yeah one day far into the future someone will be digging through irc logs |
| 04:22.19 | holycow | they will come away thinking the human race is fucking insane |
| 04:22.19 | abrotman | your other self would probably smack you silly |
| 04:22.23 | DocOC | Siddharta: could you also pastebin your grub configuration? |
| 04:22.36 | Siddharta | menu.lst |
| 04:22.39 | Siddharta | ?? |
| 04:22.43 | troubled | rofl DocOC. god, old school irc was nasty. I got into bots, but never got into the whole ddos/net splitting thing. I did ride a couple in though on efnet til they got the split protection though. Always remembered it was all about who's bots were the fastest heh |
| 04:22.44 | abrotman | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:22.55 | Azar | it would be nice to have a gooey on Debian website.. |
| 04:23.07 | abrotman | use a browser ? |
| 04:23.15 | troubled | say, is debstats still running here? |
| 04:23.19 | abrotman | troubled: yes |
| 04:23.19 | troubled | !debstats |
| 04:23.19 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 04:23.55 | troubled | lol wow. my dell's had a hard time near the end of the month with the logs here for sure |
| 04:24.04 | Azar | hehe, a gooey used to be a subscriber base messenger where people who browse a website can chat on topics while viewing it. |
| 04:24.19 | troubled | 512mb wasnt enough for the scripts. passed it on to sussudio i guess it was and handed over dyndns |
| 04:24.33 | holycow | Azar, there are mozilla extensions for that |
| 04:24.39 | Azar | a messenger browser-based |
| 04:24.50 | me_here | is there a tool to record an realplayer stream ? |
| 04:24.57 | troubled | sussudio still run them btw? |
| 04:25.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:25.02 | sts | abrotman owns it, heh |
| 04:25.10 | holycow | Azar, wtf is a messenger browser? |
| 04:25.11 | troubled | !seen sussudio |
| 04:25.11 | dpkg | sussudio is currently on #debian, last said: '%listkeys bigmem'. |
| 04:25.15 | abrotman | sts: don't start .. they pick on me enough :) |
| 04:25.17 | pickcoder | Azar: CGI:IRC works pretty good. I wrote a plug-in for Gforge for it. |
| 04:25.19 | DocOC | Siddharta: do me a favor and /msg me that pastebin, I'm going to the w/c and I'll probably miss it in channel |
| 04:25.20 | troubled | wtf! sussudio! hey! |
| 04:25.26 | troubled | sussudio: you there? :p |
| 04:25.31 | abrotman | sts: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb2005.html |
| 04:25.37 | pickcoder | Azar: each project had it's own chatroom |
| 04:25.45 | abrotman | troubled: he's probably sleeping don't you think ? |
| 04:25.52 | sts | abrotman: olol |
| 04:25.58 | troubled | abrotman: you assume I know his timezone and sleeping habits |
| 04:26.16 | abrotman | troubled: he's not around as much as he used to be |
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| 04:26.19 | troubled | abrotman: lol you stats whore! |
| 04:26.24 | abrotman | so they say |
| 04:26.35 | troubled | abrotman: you can always tell by the stats :p |
| 04:26.45 | abrotman | not my fault |
| 04:26.54 | abrotman | well .. my fault .. but i'm a nice guy or something |
| 04:27.04 | Siddharta | DocOC: http://paste.debian.net/11668 |
| 04:27.06 | sts | hrhr "i'm not sure i've seen the movie", as i suppose i was on irc :)) |
| 04:27.30 | troubled | abrotman: curious, had a buddy once just fsck pisg right up with about 20 or 30 diff nicks, and borrowing other nicks to compound the dataset, that still effective isnt it? |
| 04:27.47 | abrotman | troubled: nfc .. dunno how he does the stats |
| 04:27.55 | troubled | wow, bob2, forgot about him always!...almost :) |
| 04:28.04 | abrotman | he's been MIA for a while .. caphuso too |
| 04:28.33 | sts | MIA? |
| 04:28.50 | abrotman | missing |
| 04:29.00 | abrotman | haven't been around .. Missing In Action |
| 04:30.32 | troubled | abrotman: used to be a script called pisg (assume it still is). But it had a feature to track nicks. bad mistake enabling that. switching nicks basically could make every person get collected stat wise with everyone he nick stole. state boost |
| 04:30.32 | troubled | caphuso too! NOOOOOOO!!! take me lord instead! |
| 04:30.33 | abrotman | strange hobby |
| 04:30.33 | abrotman | greycat is gone too |
| 04:30.34 | troubled | ;( |
| 04:30.34 | abrotman | shit happens |
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| 04:30.42 | troubled | abrotman: the crappy thing is you never know if they are passed on, just too busy or what |
| 04:30.50 | troubled | irc sucks that way |
| 04:30.59 | holycow | well its irc |
| 04:30.59 | abrotman | the internet sucks that way |
| 04:31.00 | holycow | :) |
| 04:31.13 | abrotman | i've met one person from #debian IRL |
| 04:31.25 | troubled | well hey, at least our memories are around as long as google is :) |
| 04:31.35 | holycow | troubled, heh |
| 04:31.38 | Azar | holycow, gooey is an old and abandoned project back in 1996. Looked like a messenger but will only activate by subscription , when browsing the net. Subscribers would encounter others by visiting web sites, reading articles and commenting on them. Once you leave a website, you leave everyone else there, and going to another web site, with another topic you meet others. Its like walking on the street and meeting people steering at billboar |
| 04:31.40 | pourriture | did he live in his mother's basement? |
| 04:31.46 | pourriture | :) |
| 04:31.53 | abrotman | "Today .. I'd like to talk about abrotman .. nice guy .. go google it .. god speed" |
| 04:32.02 | troubled | havent met anyone myself yet from irc. half the ppl arent even in same country |
| 04:32.07 | troubled | simonrvn: cept you :) |
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| 04:32.17 | holycow | Azar, ah, neat |
| 04:32.19 | abrotman | troubled: lots of people are from .ca |
| 04:32.23 | troubled | lol |
| 04:32.32 | holycow | Azar, i can honestly say i never wanna meet anyone on youtube or myspace :) |
| 04:32.33 | holycow | lol |
| 04:32.35 | holycow | or slashdot |
| 04:32.39 | troubled | abrotman: well, not more than 2 or 3 that I know from old days prolly |
| 04:32.42 | holycow | rofl |
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| 04:32.59 | abrotman | troubled: i can think of 4-5 right now |
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| 04:33.06 | pourriture | I have got some friends from irc on a teamspeak server in the evenings ... not quite meeting IRL ... but closer |
| 04:33.06 | abrotman | regulars i mean |
| 04:33.07 | DocOC | Siddharta: ok, that menu.lst looks fine. did you change that after the whole partition-magic thing, or is that its previous state? |
| 04:33.31 | holycow | troubled, irc and the internet has redefined the social structures a bit |
| 04:33.35 | Siddharta | no i changed it |
| 04:33.39 | troubled | pourriture: good ol ts :) |
| 04:33.45 | holycow | democratized them, made it easier to find people with similar interests |
| 04:34.04 | DocOC | Siddharta: and you have run grub again after changing it? |
| 04:34.11 | holycow | gave michael jackson access to infinite 'friends' |
| 04:34.23 | Siddharta | grub-install yes |
| 04:34.27 | troubled | holycow: for sure. never know who the fsck your talkin too these days. I usually come out of the wood works though if I feel like chattin |
| 04:34.57 | sts | well IRC is not about IRL ... i think its still fun to 'know' the ppl around but never meet them :) |
| 04:34.59 | troubled | holycow: then there are those days where your on a mission to compile something or whatever and dont have the time to chat :/ |
| 04:35.01 | Azar | good night/day honorables, and thanks for the advices |
| 04:35.17 | holycow | troubled, heh |
| 04:35.41 | holycow | troubled, irc is rally an excellent troubleshooting brainstorming place for tech stuff tho |
| 04:36.04 | pourriture | if anyone has read Desmond Morris ... I think that the tribal structure is going to become more prevalent over the next century |
| 04:36.10 | troubled | holycow: i dont think linux would have advanced as far as it did with just email and newsgroups imho |
| 04:36.19 | holycow | troubled, indeed |
| 04:36.20 | abrotman | Siddharta: update-grub says what ? |
| 04:36.32 | Siddharta | DocOC: do you want i grub-install /dev/hda again ? |
| 04:36.33 | DocOC | Siddharta: ok, so the error you are currently getting is after running grub-install? and were you getting a different error before running grub-install, or the same one? |
| 04:36.35 | holycow | troubled, i wonder how many linux and gnu contributors actually have met? |
| 04:36.50 | sts | well trouhbleshooting in first, there are so many people around that share a lot of experiance |
| 04:36.51 | abrotman | Siddharta: erm .. grub-install :) |
| 04:37.04 | troubled | holycow: i figure the ones who do this for a living and make fat cash prolly meet all the time at conventions |
| 04:37.08 | holycow | troubled, that thought never occured to me, would linux and the whole ecosystem then be the first completely decentralized project in history? |
| 04:37.15 | holycow | the whole thing is done by telecommuting |
| 04:37.21 | holycow | without a profit incentive for the most part |
| 04:37.23 | abrotman | you live in canada |
| 04:37.23 | holycow | *hmmmm* |
| 04:37.27 | abrotman | go to the ice hotel |
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| 04:37.51 | pourriture | holycow: not direct profit incentive ... but profitable none the less |
| 04:37.51 | Siddharta | DocOC: the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
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| 04:37.54 | SpaceFrog | how unstable is sid? |
| 04:38.01 | abrotman | it can break badly |
| 04:38.07 | abrotman | the X server broke this week |
| 04:38.12 | holycow | pourriture, *nod* yup yup |
| 04:38.12 | Siddharta | when i make grub-install /dev/hda |
| 04:38.12 | troubled | holycow: tough call. but aside from being real time, i would think email + http to get the addresses and bbs's would be higher up |
| 04:38.15 | abrotman | some use it for months without incident though |
| 04:38.20 | holycow | SpaceFrog, as unstable as unstable ever was |
| 04:38.25 | pourriture | SpaceFrog: it is more unstable than my wife on the 15th of every month |
| 04:38.32 | holycow | SpaceFrog, basically expect omplete breakage regularly if not daily |
| 04:38.32 | DocOC | Siddharta: try this: grub-install --recheck /dev/hda |
| 04:38.40 | troubled | holycow: was was it called...bbs system for passing game data and inter bbs messages. cant remember the name |
| 04:38.45 | huhlig | hmm |
| 04:38.45 | DocOC | Siddharta: your partition table has changed, so --recheck might be necessary. |
| 04:38.46 | SpaceFrog | ah, got it |
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| 04:38.55 | pourriture | troubled: wildcat? |
| 04:38.58 | sts | SpaceFrog: how unstable is unstable, how testing is testing and how stable is stable... taste it ;) |
| 04:39.02 | holycow | troubled, ah donno the name either |
| 04:39.13 | holycow | troubled, i guess the bsds would be on the list too then |
| 04:39.16 | holycow | interesting |
| 04:39.23 | troubled | pourriture: no, thats a particular bbs (ever heard of ezcom though?) |
| 04:39.30 | Siddharta | DocOC: the same error |
| 04:39.44 | troubled | was free something wasntit? |
| 04:39.46 | pourriture | troubled: no ... |
| 04:39.48 | troubled | or something node |
| 04:40.16 | DocOC | Siddharta: is that the verbatum error? |
| 04:40.22 | troubled | pourriture: its from .au actually. was really nice and powerful like RA. wildcat was too idiot proof imho |
| 04:40.42 | troubled | fidonet? |
| 04:40.46 | troubled | was that it? |
| 04:40.55 | pourriture | troubled: I am but a humble consumer of tech |
| 04:40.55 | troubled | !fidonet |
| 04:40.56 | dpkg | from memory, fidonet is an old BBS message network. Thousands of nodes (BBSs) are (or used to be) connected to the net. Messages are posted and passed upstream, new messages are downloaded in the ungodly hours of the night. http://www.fidonet.org/ is *not* very helpful. Ask about a nodelist. |
| 04:40.59 | troubled | woot! |
| 04:41.11 | Siddharta | verbatum?? the message says : The file ....stage1 not read correctly |
| 04:41.59 | pourriture | troubled: reading cuckoo's egg makes me shed a tear ... an old mac guy tracking hackers over a slip acct .... ah the good old days |
| 04:42.10 | troubled | pourriture: guess it really depends on your age and if you were exposed to them much or not. I ran one as opposed to just using so I got a behind the scenes kinda. |
| 04:42.40 | findme | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.42 | DocOC | Siddharta: how old is the bios on this system? |
| 04:42.59 | troubled | slip, wow. old school. had someone get me setup slirp for their internet for university once, never used it much personally though. |
| 04:43.03 | Siddharta | dell laptop revion A04 |
| 04:43.19 | Siddharta | bought on octber 2004 |
| 04:43.25 | findme | Siddharta, ping |
| 04:43.27 | pourriture | troubled: I got my first computer at age 10 ... in 1980 ... an apple ][+ ... but up until about 4 years ago I was just a consumer and didn't do any cool stuff |
| 04:43.37 | troubled | pourriture: my internet on dialup was paid for so I got ppp instead of a hack like slirp through a shell |
| 04:43.44 | DocOC | Siddharta: ok, then it is not the whole 1024th cylinder problem I'm guessing... |
| 04:43.48 | SpaceFrog | is there anything better than openoffice? |
| 04:44.05 | holycow | SpaceFrog, not really |
| 04:44.07 | pourriture | SpaceFrog: yes ... ms office ... but it will cost you |
| 04:44.22 | SpaceFrog | Well, i haev MS office, but it doesn't run well on Wine. |
| 04:44.23 | Siddharta | no grub where ok before |
| 04:44.25 | SpaceFrog | *have |
| 04:44.31 | holycow | SpaceFrog, whats wrong with oo? |
| 04:44.34 | Siddharta | hello findme |
| 04:44.35 | troubled | pourriture: do what ever interests you i guess. But if your here I would think your getting more active in the "behind the scene" stuff |
| 04:44.47 | holycow | it works well, menu items are nicely categorized |
| 04:44.48 | SpaceFrog | My main problem with OO is that it screws up MS Word docs |
| 04:44.55 | holycow | works well on REALLY REALY REALLY large documents |
| 04:45.04 | holycow | SpaceFrog, well thats not an oo problem actually |
| 04:45.14 | holycow | .doc and .xls are NOT documented publicly |
| 04:45.23 | pourriture | troubled: that brings up an interesting question ... is linux getting easier to use or am I learning more ... or both? |
| 04:45.28 | holycow | if ms would release those specs we would have 100% copmatability in like weeks |
| 04:45.30 | SpaceFrog | Saving them back into .doc isn't as nice as i'd like.. |
| 04:45.34 | holycow | i would litterally pay someone to code it up |
| 04:45.40 | SpaceFrog | i heard that there was an alternative to oo |
| 04:45.41 | holycow | SpaceFrog, again, not oo fault |
| 04:45.55 | holycow | SpaceFrog, my only advice really is to learn about the formats you save to |
| 04:45.56 | SpaceFrog | yeah, i know. |
| 04:45.56 | troubled | holycow: curious, what do the man page writters use these days? still all that cryptic TeX stuff to gen their docs? Or ppl actually using OO to port? |
| 04:46.09 | troubled | pourriture: both of course :) |
| 04:46.24 | SpaceFrog | If it were up to my i'd keep them in oo formats... stupid university and their MS Word standards |
| 04:46.26 | holycow | SpaceFrog, you really should be using documented and free formats like the opendocument, and only send out pdfs. .doc should be last resort i guess. |
| 04:46.36 | holycow | SpaceFrog, send them pdf |
| 04:46.44 | DocOC | Siddharta: oh, you are getting that error because you are out of the chroot right now. go back to the chroot and try again (so it can find /boot/grub/stage1) |
| 04:46.51 | troubled | pourriture: one week you might spend tracking down and fixing a problem might be gone next week. so you time is saved and you've learned something new |
| 04:46.56 | holycow | SpaceFrog, there is no need for university to recieve anything in an EDITABLE format. only READ formats should be good enough for them |
| 04:47.04 | SpaceFrog | that's a good idea |
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| 04:47.12 | Siddharta | no i've already chrooted |
| 04:47.17 | holycow | SpaceFrog, editable formats are troublesome by the very nature of what they are designed for |
| 04:47.31 | DocOC | Siddharta: do you have /boot as a separate partition? |
| 04:47.40 | Siddharta | no |
| 04:47.41 | pourriture | troubled: what would be a good project for a low-level geek to contribute to ... I have looked at OSVDB but I am not sure that I know enough to do it |
| 04:47.44 | holycow | SpaceFrog, editable formats should only be used in groupware situations where more than one person needs to contribute. otherwise you send read only formats lik epdf |
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| 04:48.18 | Siddharta | '/home and / and swap |
| 04:48.24 | holycow | troubled, i'm not sure, i would imagine tex is still used, i cant see anyone using oo. people love to hate oo for some reason |
| 04:48.39 | holycow | troubled, the fun part is oo starts a lot faster on windows than it does on linux :) |
| 04:48.41 | holycow | *doh!* |
| 04:48.45 | DocOC | Siddharta: really? I see 3 linux partitions in your partition table... |
| 04:48.47 | pourriture | troubled: I maintain 6 samba servers and 3 qmail servers for clients ... but I feel like I am more at basic admin level than anything else |
| 04:49.17 | Siddharta | well now i can ls /boot |
| 04:49.29 | troubled | pourriture: personally i think it would be hard to come mid way into any project and code unless you had a great memory and know your stuff. But bug reports, followed by fixes/suggestions seems like a good start |
| 04:49.29 | Siddharta | and i only mount the / |
| 04:50.06 | troubled | holycow: ya, seems more like something you would use to type a resume or report than doc's i guess. |
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| 04:50.36 | troubled | pourriture: ya, thats about where I am skill wise. More a user/maintainer of the tech than a creator |
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| 04:51.02 | holycow | troubled, i've been thinking about the document creation process ... indeed that is a good question, what tool do you use for what? why are office suites so goddamned huge? |
| 04:51.23 | troubled | holycow: features and UI |
| 04:51.59 | DocOC | Siddharta: I gotta say, I am stumped at this point... |
| 04:52.17 | troubled | holycow: also, if you want to offer diff doc formats, you would have to literally duplicate it for each format in the source unless you have a convertor for pdf, doc, html and txt. I think TeX is the low level that they use because they only need the source included once |
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| 04:52.20 | troubled | afk |
| 04:52.29 | Siddharta | and if i use parted in chroot |
| 04:53.39 | DocOC | Siddharta: why would you need to use parted? |
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| 04:54.36 | pourriture | troubled: I feel like a fraud with my clients ... they think I am a genius and I keep their stuff running well ... and even provide creative solutions to problems ... but I see how much depth there is that no end user sees ... |
| 04:54.44 | Siddharta | in order to re arrange the partition and making thing right towards grub ?? |
| 04:55.45 | DocOC | Siddharta: I don't see a problem with your partition table... I think we are just missing something about the way grub works. |
| 04:56.36 | Siddharta | ok |
| 04:57.17 | holycow | pourritur1, there is no such thing as 'an expert' |
| 04:57.29 | holycow | pourritur1, everyone is just 1 or 2 chapters ahead of everyone else |
| 04:57.34 | holycow | its all a game of bullshit |
| 04:57.41 | DocOC | everyone is someone's expert, and someone's user. |
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| 04:58.25 | DocOC | I have to cite my friend Ed on that quote. |
| 04:58.32 | troubled | pourriture: I would think that maybe you do have some genius in you then. The problem with you seems to be that your only used to hearing the word genius when people talk about the most famous ones like einstein or what have you |
| 04:59.19 | holycow | DocOC, thats so "tron" |
| 04:59.20 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 04:59.27 | troubled | pourriture: i think genius is more about the way your mind can understand complex thoughts in a way that perhaps the non tech generation cant, only because of your exposure to tech |
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| 04:59.50 | Siddharta | DocOC: very starnge hda6 and 7 is / |
| 05:00.05 | Siddharta | i ls the same thing inside |
| 05:00.42 | troubled | DocOC: well said |
| 05:01.16 | troubled | Siddharta: ?! both are mount on /? |
| 05:01.17 | Siddharta | i have 2 times / in hda7 and hda6 |
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| 05:02.13 | DocOC | Siddharta: wait, I think I know what's going on. 6 is an extended partition, and 7 is a logical partition. mount 7, chroot to it, edit your menu.lst to make it all point to 7 and run grub-install --recheck again. |
| 05:02.16 | troubled | Siddharta: afraid im not following what you mean. pastebin? |
| 05:02.20 | Siddharta | i have mount /dev/hda6 rescue and /dev/hda7 fs2, and ls rescue , and ls fs2 |
| 05:02.26 | Siddharta | give the same things |
| 05:02.34 | troubled | DocOC: good thinking, damn |
| 05:02.43 | rutski89 | When I boot debian for the first time it asks me if I want to install Desktop Environment, a Web Server, A database server, etc.. |
| 05:02.55 | rutski89 | how do i get back to that dialogue if i mistakenly skipped it? |
| 05:03.01 | troubled | but it doesnt seem right still |
| 05:03.08 | Siddharta | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:03.25 | troubled | DocOC: you suggesting that his hda6 start cyl is same as hda7? |
| 05:03.32 | rutski89 | Siddharta: just dpkg-reconfigre? nott dpkg-reconfigure <something>? |
| 05:03.47 | Siddharta | yes something |
| 05:03.59 | rutski89 | Siddharta: but what? |
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| 05:04.11 | Arafangion | What is the purpose of /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade? |
| 05:04.19 | DocOC | troubled: I see your point. The extended shouldn't show up at all. It's probably 4, actually, since 4 doesn't show up in fdisk -l |
| 05:04.21 | troubled | DocOC: heck, that may be the case, never stopped to ponder extended part's that deep really :/ |
| 05:04.44 | troubled | DocOC: i was wondering that. and you only get 1 extended do you not? |
| 05:05.45 | troubled | bah, hard to remember anything these day. So much compatibility issues and extentions. You nenver know from one day to the next (ahem, adobe + macromedia) |
| 05:05.52 | DocOC | troubled: yeah, and I think you are limited to 5 logical within the extended... |
| 05:06.00 | rutski89 | Siddharta: I vaguely remember something called "firstboot" |
| 05:06.06 | rutski89 | Siddharta: but i can't find it anywhere |
| 05:06.14 | troubled | DocOC: didnt logical go to like 63 or some godly sick number? |
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| 05:06.34 | troubled | !extended |
| 05:06.40 | DocOC | troubled: oh, you're right, you are limited to 5 partitions if you don't use an extended... |
| 05:06.46 | troubled | get the feelin not what i want fact wise but... |
| 05:06.54 | holycow | 4 actually |
| 05:07.00 | holycow | you can only have 4 primary ones on ide |
| 05:07.01 | troubled | 4 and an extended? |
| 05:07.06 | holycow | right |
| 05:07.22 | holycow | i just got shot down by di for tryin that the other week :) |
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| 05:07.51 | troubled | you know its funny, when we talk and ask stuff, i can imagine there is a small, yet noticable jump in similar search results at google :) |
| 05:07.51 | ph00 | when netmapping with cheops-ng is it best running as root or regular user? |
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| 05:10.22 | DocOC | Siddharta: let's try looking at your partition table without the interpretation that fdisk gives it. cat /proc/partitions |
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| 05:10.34 | Siddharta | DocOC: http://paste.debian.net/11669 |
| 05:10.41 | troubled | i gotta see this hehe |
| 05:10.50 | Arafangion | DocOC: I tend to have <dualboot partition> /boot, and extended. |
| 05:10.56 | Arafangion | DocOC: I tend to have <dualboot partition> /boot, swap and extended. |
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| 05:11.18 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/11670 |
| 05:11.20 | Arafangion | DocOC: It's technically faster to not put swap into the extended partition. |
| 05:11.39 | Arafangion | DocOC: (But, I doubt that any benchmark exists that proves that is the case) |
| 05:12.09 | holycow | thats an interesting question |
| 05:12.16 | Elive_user31 | Hi All. Anybody know the <system-key> (selects the upper left system box in every application)in elive? In gnome it's <Alt><Space>. |
| 05:12.27 | holycow | say you have / /swap and /home ... which is faster: |
| 05:12.38 | holycow | 1. / .. /swap .. /home |
| 05:12.48 | Arafangion | holycow: The issue is the level of indirection you have. |
| 05:12.48 | holycow | or 2. / .. /home .. /swap? |
| 05:12.50 | troubled | Arafangion: your logic being lower LBA # = closer to outter disk and thus faster reads per revolution? |
| 05:13.02 | Siddharta | DocOC: http://paste.debian.net/11671 |
| 05:13.19 | Arafangion | troubled: No, my logic geing that the extended partition is a partition that contains other partitions. |
| 05:14.01 | Arafangion | Still, even swap on LVM is probably faster, despite the many layers between the OS and the physical HDD, if striping across HDD"s is used. |
| 05:14.25 | troubled | Arafangion: so you think there is extra over head being contained within the bounds of another partition entry? |
| 05:14.45 | DocOC | Siddharta: ok, here is my terrible logic: hda7 is large, so it is your actual root partition. |
| 05:15.36 | troubled | Arafangion: i could agree with say LVM since it has to do calc for fs then calc for lvm and then get the actualy sector. but i would think any access to hda1 or hda10 would be a direct mapping without extra abstraction |
| 05:16.05 | troubled | Siddharta: can you run fdisk /dev/hda, hit p and paste that? |
| 05:16.09 | Siddharta | DocOC: more strange : ]# du -skh fs3/ |
| 05:16.09 | Siddharta | 64K fs3/ |
| 05:16.09 | Siddharta | root@0[/]# du -skh fs2/ |
| 05:16.09 | Siddharta | 2,5G fs2/ |
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| 05:16.16 | troubled | heh |
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| 05:16.32 | troubled | i hate that, mid sentence he gets booted :( |
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| 05:17.23 | troubled | DocOC: im wondering if his part table has bad start/end cylinders that over lap somehow. I cant wrap my brain around what the numbers would be though until I see them |
| 05:17.27 | troubled | Siddharta: can you run fdisk /dev/hda, hit p and paste that? |
| 05:17.35 | DocOC | Siddharta: du -sk /rescue? |
| 05:17.56 | DocOC | fs3 is hda9 |
| 05:18.16 | Arafangion | DocOC: My root partition tends to be relatively tiny compared to /home |
| 05:18.34 | troubled | Siddharta: could you also add your fstab to that as well please? wanna get on the same page and see whats going on. something doesnt sound right to me |
| 05:19.04 | DocOC | Arafangion: sure, on a multi-user system that's the way it should be. |
| 05:19.44 | DocOC | troubled: we are deling with the definition of fubar. His boss used partition-magic to try to give his xp partition more space... |
| 05:19.51 | Siddharta | DocOC: 3,5G /rescue/ |
| 05:20.10 | DocOC | Siddharta: still leaning toward hda7 being your actual root... |
| 05:20.11 | troubled | Arafangion: i agree, / should be small. a gig or 2 at most imho (unless your design needs more for some odd custom setup/procedure |
| 05:20.34 | Arafangion | troubled: I just make mine 10 gig, but my /home is closer to 30 gig. |
| 05:20.47 | troubled | DocOC: i use pqmagic now and then and I cant say that ive seen it do or even allow something like that before |
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| 05:21.18 | troubled | Arafangion: i supposed it depends on how much spare space you got though. a 1TB drive? sure, make it 10gig :) |
| 05:21.22 | DocOC | troubled: user-error can produce just about any bug you can imagine :) |
| 05:21.38 | Siddharta | troubled: http://paste.debian.net/11672 |
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| 05:22.18 | troubled | Arafangion: but if you follow the guildelines and also use seperate /, /home, /tmp, /var and /usr, then / is really only touched by, well root. and since we arent supposed to USE root it should remain failrly empty |
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| 05:22.27 | troubled | DocOC: agreed :) |
| 05:22.47 | DocOC | Siddharta: can we have a look at your fstab? |
| 05:23.01 | Siddharta | i dont'know if it's normal but there should be a free partition of 13 GB |
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| 05:23.08 | Siddharta | oh sorry |
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| 05:23.13 | troubled | ya, hda3 overlaps from what I see from quick glance |
| 05:23.37 | troubled | nm, its extended. but why is it hda3 and not 5? |
| 05:23.41 | pickcoder | l8r |
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| 05:24.18 | troubled | and why hda5 start in the middle of nowhere? |
| 05:24.35 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/11673 |
| 05:24.53 | Siddharta | and e do not see this free partition |
| 05:24.57 | Arafangion | troubled: it would take a pretty good effort to even attempt to fill / with more than a few GB of stuff. |
| 05:24.59 | DocOC | troubled: look at the start and finish of hda3 and hda9 |
| 05:25.15 | enouf | DocOC: yup |
| 05:25.48 | troubled | DocOC: ya, his hda3 is the extended and covers the whole drive almost. but oddly, hda5 doesnt start at begin of the entended part, its off by a few gig |
| 05:26.08 | DocOC | holy crap, look what he just pasted for his fstab. |
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| 05:26.33 | DocOC | troubled: yeah, but hda9 starts on the same block, but ends after the extended... |
| 05:26.45 | enouf | DocOC: seems the guy extended ntfs right into the original Ext'd area (which contains the blocks) to point to location of the / partition's bootsector. |
| 05:27.57 | petriborg | yuck |
| 05:28.02 | DocOC | enouf: any thoughts on a solution? I've never seen a partition table fubar'ed like that. |
| 05:28.25 | Arafangion | DocOC: I have. |
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| 05:28.45 | Arafangion | DocOC: Probably caused by using several different partition management programs. |
| 05:28.54 | enouf | DocOC: I think I said that backwards - but nonetheless foobarred - <thinks about it for possible solutions..> hrmmm |
| 05:29.21 | troubled | DocOC: whats wrong with hda9? no overlap that I see. ends where it should |
| 05:29.37 | Arafangion | DocOC: In particular, the gnu fdisk and the MS fdisk really should not be used together. |
| 05:29.43 | Arafangion | DocOC: Use one or the other! |
| 05:30.20 | DocOC | troubled: you're right, I thought it had an extra digit, so therefore larger than hda3 in which it is contained... |
| 05:30.54 | enouf | DocOC: seems the Ext'd needs to be 4970-7296, not what hda3 is showing now (3272 -7296) |
| 05:31.21 | DocOC | troubled: but look at 6 and 7 compared to 3 |
| 05:31.50 | Siddharta | it should have a 13GB free partition |
| 05:31.57 | enouf | DocOC: BUT - then that would mean that one logical partition is a different FileSystem (diff OS, namely the FAT32 od hda5) ...shrugs |
| 05:32.09 | Siddharta | it was a ntfs partition that have been deleted |
| 05:32.23 | troubled | DocOC: sec, he missing about 13966525440 bytes (13gig) between hda3 and 5 |
| 05:32.33 | troubled | DocOC: looking |
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| 05:33.29 | DocOC | troubled: I'm misreading the whole thing. Indentation is confusing me... |
| 05:33.34 | troubled | DocOC: i see no problems. all the rest of the address dont cross each other and end properly 1 block after the end of the previous |
| 05:33.45 | troubled | DocOC: the french is screwin me up hehe |
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| 05:34.27 | enouf | DocOC: Basic point is: hda3 should start at hda5's start - and end at hda9's end |
| 05:34.33 | troubled | DocOC: I swear he lost 13gig for sure |
| 05:34.34 | DocOC | ok, well anyway, if you compare the partition table to the fstab, obviously everything has been moved down one partition. I'm still going with hda7 being / |
| 05:35.02 | troubled | Siddharta: paste your fstab? |
| 05:35.09 | dark_light | i have a broken package but i want to mantain it installed, how can i configure aptitude to mantain it? |
| 05:35.10 | p1mrx | so I'm trying to give eth1 a static IPv6 address in /etc/network/interfaces, but when I do that, then eth1 starts up without any link-local address |
| 05:35.15 | Siddharta | i intend to install a Freebsd on that 13 GB |
| 05:35.21 | DocOC | enouf: well, maybe there is just unpartitioned space there... |
| 05:35.21 | enouf | DocOC: Until the Ext'd partition size is fixed - nothing will be found in the extended (including/meaning all the logicals) |
| 05:35.47 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/11673 |
| 05:36.12 | troubled | DocOC: add up everything in his extended. Its not the 32gig he set aside |
| 05:36.24 | enouf | DocOC: Until the Ext'd partition size is fixed - nothing will be found in the extended (including/meaning all the logicals) -- could be unpartitioned space, but perhaps it was once occupied via Ext'd ? |
| 05:36.33 | Siddharta | yes the 13 GB parition has not been formatted yet , just erased |
| 05:36.34 | troubled | DocOC: he has about 17.5gig (minus rounding) |
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| 05:36.57 | troubled | Siddharta: thats not right. You mean the partition was deleted? |
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| 05:37.24 | Siddharta | yes , on widows xp side , it doesn't exist anymoire |
| 05:37.48 | DocOC | your fstab shows your swap being 6, whereas your swap is 8 |
| 05:38.04 | troubled | Siddharta: everything else is sequential as well so the part number must have been renumbered since hda4 cant exist since the NTFS extendes right to the begin of the extended. the 13 gig is IN the extended (see the ~32gig?) |
| 05:38.36 | troubled | Siddharta: sec, gnna look at fstab |
| 05:38.51 | enouf | DocOC: I could be slightly mistaken as there are many possible 'munged' scenarios that could've occured - just some thoughts -- aha! .. I'll bet when the "other ntfs" partition existed IT was hda3 and the Ext'd was hda4! |
| 05:39.35 | troubled | Siddharta: for one, you have hda6 marked swap in fstab and its not in the part table |
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| 05:39.46 | Xenguy | Hi - is there a recommended way to convert video .mp4 -> something I can burn to DVD and play on the DVDplayer ? |
| 05:40.03 | dark_light | there is no way to keep a broken package?=( |
| 05:40.08 | troubled | enouf: pretty sure linux always treats ext as hda5 and up |
| 05:40.21 | Siddharta | so what is the true value |
| 05:40.47 | enouf | troubled: Logicals not Ext'd... that's listed as a Primary |
| 05:41.03 | troubled | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.21 | enouf | troubled: 4 primaries or 3 pri + 1 Ext'd, hence hda1-4 |
| 05:41.40 | troubled | enouf: logicals are contained inside extended |
| 05:42.19 | troubled | enouf: and im pretty sure extended start number in linux a hda5, 1-4 are set aside for primaries |
| 05:42.22 | enouf | troubled: please read what I said again ... |
| 05:43.18 | troubled | Siddharta: your hda6 and hda8 are backwards in your fstab |
| 05:43.20 | DocOC | my brain hurts. partition magic is evil |
| 05:43.36 | DocOC | !smite partition magic |
| 05:43.39 | Siddharta | yes i will destroy the cd on monday |
| 05:43.40 | Xenguy | mmm... evil... |
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| 05:43.57 | mmiikkee12 | where's the app to change the gnome splash screen? |
| 05:44.08 | enouf | troubled: see this as an example http://paste.debian.net/11674 |
| 05:44.09 | pst | xine + h264 = :( |
| 05:44.16 | troubled | enouf: double check the paste. His extended has 32gig set aside, his primary ntfs is 26gig, its a 60gig drive, do the math. hda4 can never exist |
| 05:44.22 | Xenguy | gnome-control-center ? |
| 05:44.22 | pst | or maybe it's aac, but it's still :( |
| 05:44.43 | Siddharta | troubled: you mean hda6 is in fact hda8 (ind vice versa??) |
| 05:44.54 | mmiikkee12 | Xenguy: i don't see anything about splash |
| 05:45.00 | enouf | troubled: I say again ...4 primaries or 3 Primaries + 1 Ext'd (with as many logicals as one wants ...to a point) |
| 05:45.16 | ph00 | how may of you guys really believe that 95% of computer users are on windoze? (the paper says so) |
| 05:45.21 | enouf | troubled: I say again ...4 primaries or 3 Primaries + 1 Ext'd ==>hda1-4 |
| 05:45.24 | pst | troubled, he should have 2G left ;-) |
| 05:45.27 | Xenguy | mmiikkee12: ignore my advice then :-) |
| 05:45.38 | troubled | pst: no, fs/fat overhead |
| 05:45.45 | mmiikkee12 | Xenguy: i thought it would be in preferences. i remember seeing it there before |
| 05:45.51 | troubled | enouf: you doctor them number or you serious? |
| 05:46.08 | pst | troubled, well, are we talking HD GB sizes (them lying bastards!) or real ^2 sizes? |
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| 05:46.11 | dark_light | hello? anyone can read me? |
| 05:46.20 | troubled | anyone else confirm extendeds DONT have to start at hda5 when linux numbers them? |
| 05:46.22 | mmiikkee12 | Xenguy: gnome-splashscreen-manager |
| 05:46.23 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 05:46.24 | troubled | dark_light: no |
| 05:46.24 | enouf | troubled: Did you see my pastebin ?? I don't joke when it comes to recovery ! |
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| 05:46.33 | pst | troubled, as FS overhead only eats away allocated ... it doesn't make it grow. |
| 05:46.55 | troubled | enouf: I read it, I just treating it as misinformation until I can verify it :) |
| 05:46.55 | dark_light | :( |
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| 05:47.17 | enouf | troubled: Ext'd don't start at hda5 ...logicals do |
| 05:47.41 | troubled | pst: go find the missing 2gig :) |
| 05:47.59 | Xenguy | mmiikkee12: yay :-) |
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| 05:48.22 | Siddharta | troubled: do you thing i have to change some thing in my fstab? |
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| 05:48.49 | troubled | enouf: k, your right, extended dont have to start hda5. i apologize :) |
| 05:49.09 | enouf | troubled: ok -- just for show -- here's another disk I have http://paste.debian.net/11675 |
| 05:49.10 | troubled | Siddharta: well, I can tell your from what you pasted your hda6 and 8 were backwords |
| 05:49.20 | vik | is there any performance difference using LVM vs static partitioning? |
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| 05:49.43 | troubled | Siddharta: yoru part shows hda8 as type swap, yet you have swap as hda6 in your fstab. you just trashed that fs i bet |
| 05:49.44 | Siddharta | i dont understand backwords |
| 05:49.44 | dark_light | no way to keep a package with broken dependencies?:~~~ |
| 05:49.56 | Siddharta | wait i try to translate |
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| 05:50.13 | troubled | enouf: too many windows sorry hehe, i googled examples, i stand corrected on the issue |
| 05:50.30 | troubled | vik: TROLL! lol |
| 05:50.31 | enouf | troubled: no worries |
| 05:51.02 | troubled | enouf: but check his case though, he has hda6 and 8 mixed, you agree there? |
| 05:51.02 | flyingfox | hi all, i just wish to notify Debian people that using Debian Testing CD1 binary, I will encounter 'unable to install initramfs-tools' whenever downloading latest kernel during Debian installation, so i have to resort to changing to using 'yaird'. Hope this info will be useful to those in charge of Debian installation. Thanks |
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| 05:51.28 | vik | troubled: asked one of 'those' questions did I? |
| 05:51.42 | pst | you have to try hard to mount swap on a non-swap partition. it says "you suck" |
| 05:51.49 | troubled | hrmm, his hda8 is commented i assume you had problems mounting swap yes? |
| 05:52.00 | troubled | vik: ;) you have no idea heh |
| 05:52.13 | vik | nope |
| 05:52.34 | troubled | vik: lvm adds a abstraction layer was the gist of the conversation, so yes |
| 05:52.43 | vik | bah religious computing types... |
| 05:53.13 | Siddharta | i 've made the changes, |
| 05:53.22 | troubled | vik: although I would expect the calulation to be so fast as to be minimal (few extra instructions perhaps) |
| 05:53.38 | troubled | Siddharta: did you comment out hda8 cause you couldnt mount it? |
| 05:53.46 | vik | troubled: cool; thanks |
| 05:54.06 | myren | anyone have suggestions for apps to burn a ISO image to cd? |
| 05:54.15 | troubled | Siddharta: your hda8 shows about 512mb anyways, seem more like swap. least makes more sense than the 3gig for hda6 |
| 05:54.20 | myren | i cant figure out why cdroast isnt working |
| 05:54.20 | icyfire0573 | Little fun bit of knowledge that I just managed to spend 4 hours on. LILO and GRUB do not support software RAID5 |
| 05:54.36 | Siddharta | no just for preventing because he was just deleting a ntfs, |
| 05:54.51 | troubled | icyfire0573: raid on / i assume? |
| 05:54.53 | enouf | troubled: no - not really (the hda6 and 8 thing) -- I think hda3 used to be ntfs and hda4 was the Ext'd a I stated earlier, and would make sense knowing the way that Linux and ntfs needs to be a Primary (If one intends to Boot from it, but data only (ntfs or otherwise) partitions don;t need to be Primary) |
| 05:55.30 | troubled | enouf: the boot about > 1024 cylinder is not issue with grub if its in mbr |
| 05:55.37 | Siddharta | i do think too ntfs was on hda3 |
| 05:55.37 | troubled | or lilo for that matter |
| 05:55.41 | icyfire0573 | troubled, Yep. Kept on going through the whole install and installing LILO and or GRUB would always fail. Finally I ran the LILO install through the console and it says "Only RAID1 supported" |
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| 05:56.14 | vik | I gather using LVM will disallow a bootable windows partition? |
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| 05:56.29 | troubled | icyfire0573: damn. myadvice, only make a small 2gig raid1 mirror and then raid 5 the rest? kinda a pain but it prolly work |
| 05:56.40 | troubled | icyfire0573: just 3 drives? |
| 05:57.06 | enouf | Siddharta: a quick test, though I haven't thought it through entirely is just rename hda3 to hda4 - in the meantime, I'll look over the table again (in /etc/fstab) .. |
| 05:57.12 | icyfire0573 | troubled, I went ahead and made a .1GB /boot partition. and then 2 1.1GB swap partitions and a 1gb swap on the same drive ans the /boot drive |
| 05:57.15 | troubled | icyfire0573: if so, first 2 mirror 2gig, last drive use 2gig for swap, raid 5 rest of remaining across all 3 |
| 05:57.45 | troubled | icyfire0573: dont bother with /boot on serperate part imho. keep it on / |
| 05:58.05 | icyfire0573 | I think the boot will allow it to go into the RAID, I've done it on a different server. |
| 05:58.29 | troubled | icyfire0573: well, once you boot linux, nothing matters really |
| 05:58.59 | DocOC | Siddharta: I gotta say, your boss is a mess-up extraordinaire. He has at least 3 10 year veterans of *nix confused. |
| 05:59.01 | troubled | icyfire0573: even bios limits arent issue once your boot |
| 05:59.11 | myren | fucking cdroast |
| 05:59.20 | myren | keeps looking like its going to work then just does nothing |
| 05:59.21 | troubled | DocOC: lol. hes getting a bill for this one:) |
| 05:59.22 | myren | cunt program |
| 05:59.30 | enouf | Siddharta: if you wanted to go one-step deeper into that trial - you can also change the start block for Ext'd from 3972 to 4970, but I have no idea if that will work -- just rememeber to MAKE COPIES of anything like that before you go changing block numbers and such |
| 05:59.41 | troubled | myren: try something else? bad disc? drive? work in windows? |
| 05:59.42 | icyfire0573 | very true. I just got this new machine, its gonna be great, 4G ram and a 3800+ dual core. |
| 05:59.53 | troubled | icyfire0573: nice boxen! |
| 06:00.00 | icyfire0573 | yea it is! |
| 06:00.04 | myren | troubled: i dont even know which of these disks are actually blank |
| 06:00.15 | troubled | icyfire0573: my betsy a lil' slow, but i dont need more just yet |
| 06:00.31 | troubled | myren: cdrw? or cdr |
| 06:00.43 | ph00 | what is segmentation fault? |
| 06:00.43 | Siddharta | in fact the 13 GB partion was hda4 in fstabenou i've no hda3 in fstab |
| 06:00.45 | myren | cdr |
| 06:00.46 | troubled | myren: just look at disc, or try mount it, should be able tell |
| 06:00.53 | ph00 | has to do with nMapping |
| 06:00.55 | troubled | !seg fault |
| 06:01.11 | Siddharta | oops forget what i said |
| 06:01.11 | icyfire0573 | troubled, yea this is for work we are going to be trialing Xen an VMware. My personal box is only a 1500+ w/ .75G ram |
| 06:01.12 | troubled | well i know there was a factoid... |
| 06:01.18 | Siddharta | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.19 | troubled | !sig11 |
| 06:01.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 06:01.46 | troubled | icyfire0573: thats pretty close to what i got, 1.67 1gig |
| 06:02.03 | Siddharta | and hda4 is commented |
| 06:02.05 | icyfire0573 | A completely acceptable solution for modern times, especially w/ Linux. |
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| 06:02.14 | troubled | ph00: not a kernel coder so I cant tell you much other than what dpkg said about seg's |
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| 06:02.21 | troubled | ph00: was it a compile? |
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| 06:03.52 | ph00 | troubled no it was net mapping, I was mapping with cheops-ng, the terminal where cheops-agen was running said "segentation fult" and went back to prompt |
| 06:04.11 | ph00 | btw netmapping is legal in this country |
| 06:04.28 | troubled | ph00: never heard of it |
| 06:04.38 | enouf | Siddharta - not sure what todo in your scenario now ... but just to clarify it seems vfat and ext3 can co-exist in logicals of the same HDD - just checked an older setup I used to have |
| 06:04.49 | troubled | ph00: probably just a programming bug *shrug* |
| 06:04.56 | ph00 | basically a GUI for a set of network tools, very cool |
| 06:05.05 | DocOC | ph00: so, cheops-ng is trying to access the kernel's namespace, and the kernel is smacking it down. |
| 06:05.06 | Arafangion | How do I fix this: |
| 06:05.20 | Arafangion | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 06:05.22 | troubled | ph00: bad pointers or something i would think to try access memory it shouldnt be. Wish I could help more :( |
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| 06:06.07 | troubled | Arafangion: remove /etc/X11/X? |
| 06:06.15 | DocOC | Arafangion: ls -l /etc/X11/X |
| 06:06.28 | ph00 | kernel's namespace, hm? |
| 06:06.30 | ph00 | thx |
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| 06:07.05 | Siddharta | well it seems to have install from scratch |
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| 06:08.10 | Arafangion | Why might I have no /dev/input/mice? It's a laptop, running Etch with kernel 2.6.16 |
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| 06:08.29 | troubled | Siddharta: curious, what was your original question/problem? What data were you having problems with? you said something about 2 copies of /? |
| 06:08.40 | troubled | Arafangion: usb? |
| 06:08.43 | troubled | loaded... |
| 06:08.47 | DocOC | troubled: grub couldn't find his kernel. |
| 06:08.54 | enouf | Siddharta: <Siddharta> i've no hda3 in fstab [and] dg |
| 06:08.54 | enouf | [01:58:10] <Siddharta> and hda4 is commented |
| 06:09.01 | enouf | g |
| 06:09.01 | enouf | [01:58:10] <Siddharta> and hda4 is commented |
| 06:09.08 | Arafangion | troubled: No. Built in mouse. |
| 06:09.18 | troubled | Arafangion: apt-get install mdetect |
| 06:09.28 | Siddharta | troubled: 2 copies of /home |
| 06:09.29 | troubled | Arafangion: if its built in prolly /dev/psaux |
| 06:09.42 | enouf | drats ..whoops ..Siddharta .. say that again - but clarify |
| 06:09.48 | troubled | Siddharta: where do the 2 diff coppies like? |
| 06:09.49 | Arafangion | Hmm, looks like etch is only partially installed. |
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| 06:10.29 | enouf | why is hda4 commented ? what did it /does it say ?? post that /etc/fstab again |
| 06:10.39 | ShockValue | as a new user of debian, but an intermediat user of linux interested in "up to date, but might have a few bugs" packages, which branch should I be using? |
| 06:10.47 | Siddharta | but one is 64 K and the other is 2.5 GB |
| 06:10.50 | troubled | Siddharta: also, take care to mount hda9 before anything else that mounts under /home since hda9 is /home part |
| 06:11.11 | ivan | hello, its Ok to ask questions about hardware here? |
| 06:11.20 | troubled | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/11673 |
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| 06:11.43 | troubled | ivan: if you can explain how it relates to debian :) |
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| 06:11.59 | ShockValue | anyone have an opinion for a deb newb? :) |
| 06:12.09 | troubled | ShockValue: read....dont stop |
| 06:12.19 | huhlig | moo |
| 06:12.23 | troubled | huhlig: moo |
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| 06:12.25 | ivan | :) well, because I am using debian, see the relation? |
| 06:12.34 | myren | wear sunscreen |
| 06:12.56 | DocOC | ShockValue: well, what packages are you interested in? Is it a whole lot, or just a few specific ones that you want to be bleeding-edge? |
| 06:13.02 | troubled | ivan: ask, you never know. just dont like abrotman see you :) |
| 06:13.38 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/11677 |
| 06:13.43 | ShockValue | well, mostly interested in KDE and some of its killer-apps like amarok and k3b |
| 06:13.45 | troubled | well, least my brain getting a workout tonight :) |
| 06:14.15 | ShockValue | ati support too |
| 06:14.23 | DocOC | Siddharta: that is looking better. |
| 06:14.59 | Siddharta | well do i have to umount all |
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| 06:15.08 | enouf | troubled: o k -- what a mess .. oh man- there's no hda1 either in you fstab :-( -- not to mention no hda3, where'd they go? poof - houdini? |
| 06:15.11 | troubled | Siddharta: other advice, add a journal to /home and mount it ext3 as well |
| 06:15.25 | troubled | enouf: thats not mine, its Siddharta |
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| 06:15.40 | troubled | enouf: for now ignore the commented out stuff |
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| 06:15.56 | DocOC | ShockValue: well, you could try running Etch, or you could just choose the packages individually by pinning them (man apt_preferences) |
| 06:16.01 | enouf | DocOC: still no hda1 nor hda3 as far as i can tell |
| 06:16.07 | troubled | Siddharta: you said you had 2 /homes? where are they mounted? if you edit one, the other change? |
| 06:16.18 | ShockValue | DocOC: thanks for the reccomends :) |
| 06:16.37 | troubled | enouf: his hda1 and 2 are ntfs/boot related |
| 06:16.42 | enouf | troubled: I know that's Siddharta's ..thanks for posting it |
| 06:16.49 | troubled | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/11672 is his part |
| 06:16.55 | enouf | troubled: doesn't matter |
| 06:16.55 | troubled | enouf: np |
| 06:17.39 | troubled | enouf: just bringin ya up to speed. we still havent started to tackle his question of duplicate mount's. cause his fstab aint showin much. might need to see his mtab next me thinks |
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| 06:18.57 | troubled | Siddharta: for ext3? ya, umount /home. Now, i cant remember the tool, but i think its tune2fs that adds journal. sec |
| 06:19.20 | Siddharta | no only one change |
| 06:19.34 | troubled | Siddharta: ya, i think its the -j option, so tune2fs -j /dev/{home hda #} |
| 06:20.00 | enouf | troubled: compare 11667 and 11668, and 11672(fdisk output) -- 11672 shows all on /dev/hda |
| 06:20.05 | troubled | Siddharta: ok, now where are these 2 copies mounted? where they bound too relative to /? |
| 06:20.26 | troubled | Siddharta: /home and where else? need to know to find the fstab entry that you think caused it |
| 06:21.17 | ivan | does anyone know how to configure a USB keyboard? I have tried lsusb and cat /proc/bus/input/devices and the keyboard is there but it's not working and dmesg gives the following |
| 06:21.18 | ivan | drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: input irq status -32 received |
| 06:21.24 | Siddharta | well fs3 is an empty /home and it reffers to hda9 |
| 06:21.51 | troubled | enouf: 11672 i see |
| 06:21.55 | Siddharta | so hda6 reffers to a full /home |
| 06:21.57 | ivan | and I don't know what to put on xorg.conf |
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| 06:22.48 | troubled | Siddharta: what is fs3? i see no reference to it in fstab |
| 06:23.03 | troubled | Siddharta: least not in 11673 |
| 06:23.07 | Siddharta | no it's a mount point via knoppix |
| 06:23.14 | troubled | aha! |
| 06:23.26 | enouf | but you have Grub showing root=/dev/hda6 ro ??? and (hd0,5) which corresponds to that - if that's really (hda6) /home - well that's one problem right there |
| 06:23.51 | Siddharta | because the original pb was for booting with grub |
| 06:23.55 | troubled | Siddharta: ok, so your saying that knoppix mounted your real /home from hda6 under what, /mnt/fs3? |
| 06:24.51 | Siddharta | no fs2 which is hda |
| 06:24.56 | Siddharta | hda6 |
| 06:25.18 | troubled | Siddharta: if its double mounted, that would explain why you see doubles and only 1 changes on edit. fs tables prolly in memory and possibly not commited to disk yet |
| 06:25.37 | enouf | DocOC: having fun yet? |
| 06:25.42 | Siddharta | its not double mounted |
| 06:25.50 | troubled | Siddharta: where knoppix put this "fs2" |
| 06:25.54 | Siddharta | because the size is not the same |
| 06:26.23 | Siddharta | '/fs2 |
| 06:26.30 | Siddharta | and '/fs3 |
| 06:26.38 | troubled | Siddharta: sorry, just having a hard time visualizing without mount points and paths :) |
| 06:26.54 | troubled | ok, what does the mount command say, paste plz? |
| 06:27.07 | Siddharta | ok so now i umount fs2 and fs3 |
| 06:27.13 | troubled | thats really all i should have asked for heh, didnt know you were in knoppix |
| 06:27.18 | Siddharta | the two different home |
| 06:27.33 | troubled | Siddharta: not yet plz, show me mount command output |
| 06:27.43 | pst | is latest etch 2.6 kernel still gcc 4.0? |
| 06:27.49 | huhlig | anyone here good at openoffice calc? |
| 06:27.57 | troubled | Siddharta: i wanna see what and where knoppix got the duplicate, yet not in sync data from |
| 06:28.08 | Siddharta | under knoppix or chrooted |
| 06:28.37 | troubled | Siddharta: under knoppix. i wanna see where and what /fs2 and /fs3 are since you had issues with them |
| 06:29.30 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/11678 |
| 06:29.31 | troubled | afk |
| 06:30.06 | troubled | sec |
| 06:30.10 | enouf | Siddharta: please excuse another earlier mistake l'd like to correct - /etc/fstab doesn't list an Ext'd (because it's never mounted) which explains no hda3 listed, but not the missing hda1 |
| 06:30.40 | DocOC | enouf: sorry, dozed off. What did I miss? |
| 06:31.16 | Siddharta | leave 30 sec (pipi time) |
| 06:31.33 | troubled | Siddharta: let me guess, df -m, shows one as 6gig and one as 3gig? |
| 06:31.36 | enouf | DocOC: not much - just wild speculation - my 0.5 yr linux exp isn't helping much ... hehehe |
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| 06:32.33 | troubled | enouf: speculation is an excellent tool, especially when things "start to add up" |
| 06:32.34 | DocOC | enouf: huh? I really assumed you had many years experience in linux... |
| 06:32.50 | troubled | DocOC: and im 12.... ;) |
| 06:33.05 | enouf | DocOC: nope - I just play one on irc :-p |
| 06:33.08 | troubled | DocOC: "Don't you know Ray? Everyone here is innocent" |
| 06:33.08 | DocOC | ok, well no one ever accused me of not being gullable. |
| 06:33.46 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/11679 |
| 06:33.53 | troubled | DocOC: only control freaks feed misinfo to test gullability and insist to instill guilt and compliance to their control system :p |
| 06:33.55 | DocOC | or, someone accused me of being gullable, not no. |
| 06:34.13 | troubled | if that makes any sense lol |
| 06:34.53 | troubled | enouf: ever play zelda? |
| 06:35.01 | Siddharta | troubled: for the moment i did'nt umount anything |
| 06:35.26 | troubled | enouf: heh, is it coincidence that your name pronounced backwards says "phony"? |
| 06:35.58 | DocOC | !cheese dococ |
| 06:36.10 | DocOC | dpkg: good choice. |
| 06:36.11 | enouf | DocOC: for kickls have a look at an old (half a year) setup I used to have when I was using only 1 HDD http://paste.debian.net/11680 - talk about a little messy ..ehehe - but it worked ...that is, until I brioke it :-) |
| 06:36.17 | troubled | Siddharta: wb. ok, run df -m, look at the sizes of fs2 and 3. one should be ~3gig and the other ~6gig, yes? |
| 06:36.33 | enouf | troubled: no not really |
| 06:36.53 | enouf | about the zelda |
| 06:37.08 | enouf | phony - hmmm .... no not that either |
| 06:37.43 | troubled | enouf: well, was gonna use a puzzle game like zelda for a speculation analogy and it being a good tool, but i think you get where i was going and prolly dont need to waste and more keypresses :) |
| 06:38.30 | Siddharta | troubled: yes it is |
| 06:38.30 | troubled | s/and/any/ |
| 06:38.34 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/11679 |
| 06:38.38 | enouf | I think I need to update my string of poLOPonies .. |
| 06:38.42 | enouf | !pony me |
| 06:38.46 | troubled | Siddharta: ok, you really do have two seperate copies of those drives |
| 06:38.49 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 06:38.49 | dpkg | enouf: no problem |
| 06:39.16 | troubled | Siddharta: not that it relates to your problem, just thought you should know since you seemed oblivious as to why |
| 06:39.50 | Siddharta | so now what can i do |
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| 06:41.23 | troubled | Siddharta: well, thats up to you. you gotta decide which have the data you wanna keep on your own. but make note, your fstab needs editing before you boot it since hda6 currently setup as swap in your fstab |
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| 06:41.35 | Siddharta | troubled: can i umount the 2 /home |
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| 06:42.16 | Siddharta | ok i change the fstab and the menu.lst |
| 06:42.16 | troubled | Siddharta: somewhere and somehow your fstab got out of sync with the device names I guess (ill leave it at that heh). Now you gotta fix your fstab and then run grub-install chrooted to your / hda |
| 06:42.37 | Siddharta | ok |
| 06:42.38 | troubled | Siddharta: fix the fstab first, then the menu.lst |
| 06:42.45 | Siddharta | et's go |
| 06:42.58 | troubled | Siddharta: i believe that hda6 and 8 needed the switch, sec |
| 06:43.25 | troubled | Siddharta: ok, hda6 in fstab says swap, it should be hda8! |
| 06:43.31 | troubled | Siddharta: fix and respond |
| 06:43.59 | troubled | (the scary thing is this would only take a few minutes to go over in person and fix hehe) |
| 06:44.18 | troubled | i couldnt imagine being a phone tech though |
| 06:45.26 | DocOC | troubled: I used to do exactly that, about 10 years ago. I don't recommend it. |
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| 06:46.47 | troubled | DocOC: just from the few "hobbyist" phone support calls ive tried, i can say its frustrating for sure. considering that everyone ive helped has no where near the experience that anyone who can even connect to this network has |
| 06:47.01 | Arafangion | Why is busybox installed with kernel-image-2.6.16 ? |
| 06:47.11 | troubled | DocOC: what did you support anyways? |
| 06:47.20 | troubled | Arafangion: initrd support perhaps? |
| 06:47.42 | DocOC | troubled: isp support. Terrible job, but it did lead me into systems administration. |
| 06:47.59 | ph00 | a computer located some 2000 miles away and in another country is trying to connect over por 139 TCP. why should it? I'm running BitTorrent but that shouldn't use that port... Firestarter says it's trying to use Samba, but I suspect that it simply tries to guess by the port number. |
| 06:48.03 | troubled | Arafangion: pretty sure mkinitrd has option to include busybox to interrupt the boot and drop you to a shell if you press a key within timeout you specify in the .conf for it |
| 06:48.04 | Siddharta | if / is hda7 in fstab, that's mean it's hda6 in menu.lst??? |
| 06:48.10 | Arafangion | troubled: I see. |
| 06:48.24 | troubled | DocOC: i only wish I could be an admin. problem is i like doing things my way |
| 06:48.31 | enouf | Arafangion: why not ? |
| 06:48.34 | ph00 | another one, 135 this time |
| 06:48.39 | troubled | Arafangion: thats only a guess. i could be wrong |
| 06:48.45 | Arafangion | troubled: It makes sense. |
| 06:48.57 | troubled | Arafangion: i must have thought so too ;) |
| 06:49.01 | enouf | ph00: 136-139 are well known MS NetBIOS ports |
| 06:49.02 | Arafangion | enouf: Makes kernels and modules, and the overall boot process more complex. |
| 06:49.11 | enouf | ph00: 135 too |
| 06:49.20 | ph00 | so should I keep them off? |
| 06:49.32 | enouf | Arafangion: but many tools |
| 06:49.39 | Arafangion | enouf: What tools? |
| 06:49.45 | troubled | enouf: i swear netbios has more ports associated with it than a free debian install has open in total :) |
| 06:49.48 | ph00 | but what are they trying to do? |
| 06:49.55 | troubled | s/free/fresh/ |
| 06:50.12 | enouf | Arafangion: http://www.busybox.net/screenshot.html |
| 06:50.16 | Arafangion | enouf: initrd's only needed if you want to sit the entire thing on LVM or some other configration. |
| 06:50.24 | enouf | ph00: Root you |
| 06:50.41 | ph00 | why would they? |
| 06:50.44 | ph00 | for fun? |
| 06:50.47 | Arafangion | enouf: And tyhere's no need to put the entire thing on LVM. |
| 06:50.53 | DocOC | ph00: it's probably some virus or trojan looking for a smb vulnerability or somesuch. |
| 06:50.54 | enouf | ph00: likely ICMP pingpongs - or worse |
| 06:51.09 | troubled | enouf: In windows speak, wouldnt it be considered "admin'ing" him? heh |
| 06:51.37 | troubled | ph00: why do bank robbers rob banks? |
| 06:51.43 | ph00 | "admininistratoring" |
| 06:51.49 | ph00 | for money |
| 06:52.02 | troubled | ph00: fine, why do wood chuckers, chuck wood? |
| 06:52.15 | ph00 | so they are trying to root a poor guy in a foreign country for some money he doesn't have? |
| 06:52.39 | ph00 | for money? |
| 06:52.59 | troubled | ph00: probably more so to hide their tracks and make bounce servers to hassle irc networks and pretend to be other people, or multiple people |
| 06:53.03 | ph00 | anyways, what should I do? any way to hit back? |
| 06:53.18 | huhlig | sigh |
| 06:53.30 | ph00 | one of those machines has a name that sounds like a dhcp server |
| 06:53.31 | troubled | ph00: its illegal to hack back unfortunatly. and probably against your isp terms of service and could get your account disabled |
| 06:53.44 | DocOC | ph00: retaliation is not the correct response to script-kiddies. |
| 06:53.57 | troubled | !firewall |
| 06:53.57 | dpkg | i guess firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 06:54.20 | enouf | Arafangion: I didn't realize you don't have the option to boot without it (not up on all the niceties of the newer d-i's) - and It would be nice if some sort of lspci could somehow be incorporated into busybox too |
| 06:54.21 | Arafangion | troubled: I wonder what "mirroring" would do (The practice of reflecting allt he packets back, such that the attacker appears to hack his own box) |
| 06:54.23 | ph00 | no way to hit back -thru tor? |
| 06:54.38 | Arafangion | enouf: busybox has cat. |
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| 06:54.44 | Arafangion | enouf: cat /proc/pci |
| 06:54.47 | evil-tux | gnite all |
| 06:54.57 | troubled | Arafangion: assuming the same ports and vunerabilities were present, he would hax his own box :) |
| 06:55.06 | troubled | l8r tux |
| 06:55.28 | ph00 | and *what* is the right response? using firewalls/routers to keep them off and just sit back and watch? |
| 06:55.30 | Arafangion | troubled: Does that constitute hacking an external box, against your ISP's terms and contitions, though? |
| 06:55.31 | dn4 | ln: creating symbolic link `./libjavaplugin_oji.so' to `/home/werdna/Desktop/jre1.5.0_06/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so': Permission denied <-- any ideas |
| 06:55.41 | troubled | ph00: hit back by defending. ie: learn iptables |
| 06:55.46 | huhlig | sigh |
| 06:55.52 | enouf | Arafangion: /proc is virtual no ? you can do that in a limited shell boot like the installer ? learn something new everyday |
| 06:55.59 | usn | good morning# |
| 06:56.09 | Arafangion | enouf: It's an imaginary file system provided by the kernel. |
| 06:56.09 | Siddharta | trouble , where can i had the hda1 entry |
| 06:56.20 | DocOC | !honeypot |
| 06:56.21 | dpkg | hmm... honeypot is see 'honey pot' |
| 06:56.30 | DocOC | !honey pot |
| 06:56.30 | dpkg | well, honey pot is A box that is set up specifically to attract crackers so that they can be observed. It is sometimes used on a network to pull crackers away from real servers. |
| 06:56.36 | troubled | Arafangion: really everything at their discretion and the only way to "force" them to reenable you is to go to court. but thats time and money and you cantprove anything without their logs. so you loose |
| 06:56.59 | troubled | Arafangion: unless you forward everything to gmail where court orders can verify timestamps |
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| 06:57.18 | ph00 | hmmm honypot sounds fun, but I'm not good enough to control those things -yet |
| 06:57.22 | ph00 | e |
| 06:57.27 | Arafangion | troubled: Point. |
| 06:57.36 | troubled | Arafangion: even then the logs could be falsified before upload, again, your isp is only one that can prove |
| 06:57.44 | troubled | s/Point/touche/ |
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| 06:58.45 | DocOC | ph00: I find that portsentry is a fun way to get revenge. They try ports, and suddenly, oops, the port no longer exists. I love watching the logs and imagining the moron's frustration. |
| 06:58.52 | Siddharta | troubled: /# grub-install /dev/hda --> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 06:58.56 | ph00 | hehe |
| 06:58.58 | ph00 | yes |
| 06:59.03 | ph00 | I get the point |
| 06:59.07 | Arafangion | troubled: Are there any debian packages I can install that speed up the boot process? |
| 06:59.07 | troubled | ph00: just block syn packets (or better yet use tracking mod to block new inbound connects which also should catch new udp's iirc) |
| 06:59.30 | ph00 | I read a bit about honypots, but I'm njot capable of setting them up properly... but I will |
| 06:59.38 | ph00 | honEy |
| 07:00.08 | troubled | Arafangion: im sure if you could do something to speed things up it would already be done, short of removing stuff you dont need and streamlining the boot up scripts |
| 07:00.18 | cydork | DocOC, i agree with you :) |
| 07:00.23 | troubled | Siddharta: chroot into the root fs first |
| 07:00.27 | Arafangion | troubled: I'm talking about running things in parallel, etc. |
| 07:00.57 | Siddharta | yes i did |
| 07:01.09 | troubled | Siddharta: basically just mount everything as it should be under a dir in the proper hierarchy and then chroot and rerun it. but i think grub install has a command to do it for ya |
| 07:01.19 | DocOC | cydork: when I first discovered portsentry, I used to spend days just watching my logs and laughing. |
| 07:01.34 | Siddharta | ko |
| 07:01.36 | Siddharta | ok |
| 07:01.38 | troubled | Siddharta: and without needing to mount everything (only need that so you have access to all the tools in the chroot) |
| 07:01.59 | cydork | DocOC, hehe :D |
| 07:02.04 | ph00 | well actually... I can't actually set up any honeypots, or stuff like that, because my ISP charges extra to be able to listen for incomings, I can only be reachable ONE day a month without having to pay extra -and their prices are already high without having to pay 4 extra euros a DAY for incomings |
| 07:02.05 | troubled | Arafangion: i suppose you could do it yourself by editing the startup scripts. but it will just make upgrades a pain |
| 07:02.25 | sid | What is a good program like Visual Studio except for Debian? |
| 07:02.28 | Arafangion | troubled: Which is why I don't want to do that :) |
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| 07:03.47 | troubled | Arafangion: i seem to recall some script/package that basically did that for you. but how and what the limitations are I dont know. Guess you gotta weight the time to implement and learn against the time savings and importance of your actions |
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| 07:04.20 | troubled | Siddharta: sec, ill fetch the chroot option syntax for grub |
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| 07:05.14 | troubled | Siddharta: grub-install --root-directory=/some/dir/where/your/hda/boot/fs/is/mounted |
| 07:05.29 | troubled | Siddharta: man grub-install, its on the first screen |
| 07:05.51 | troubled | Siddharta: i think your problem is you just really dont know what your root/boot partition is hehe |
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| 07:06.22 | Arafangion | It seems that debian is now recognizing my wireless card, but I can't actually turn it ON, and it doesn't appear to realise that it is a wireless card (ie, I cna't put in my WEP key, etc, using Network Manager in Gnome) |
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| 07:06.51 | troubled | Arafangion: damn, your just bouncing all over the place tonight heh |
| 07:07.01 | cydork | Arafangion, what does your iwconfig say? |
| 07:07.09 | DocOC | Arafangion: what does lspci say about your wireless card? |
| 07:07.19 | Arafangion | cydork: iwconfig, or ifconfig? |
| 07:07.42 | Arafangion | DocOC: It mentions the correct network card. No issues as far as I can see. |
| 07:07.56 | cydork | Arafangion, iwconfig |
| 07:08.02 | DocOC | Arafangion: right, I just want you to paste the line, so I can see the chipset info. |
| 07:08.10 | enouf | ph00: got Samba installed and running? how's about zeroconf ? that does ms network chatter pretty well -- go to grc.com and follow the shieldsup stuff - check your ports, read about netbios, and stop any startup services (especially networking related) you're not using like apache, ssl, samba (install and use 'rcconf') |
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| 07:08.28 | Arafangion | DocOC: 03:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporationn PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 07:08.36 | Arafangion | DocOC: That was not cut&pasted, though. |
| 07:08.39 | troubled | DocOC: hey, does that ndis wrapper work? or you still stuck with prism chipsets and such? |
| 07:08.56 | Arafangion | cydork: E: Coundn't find package iwconfig |
| 07:09.23 | cydork | Arafangion, /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
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| 07:09.55 | DocOC | troubled: I've seen people in here successfully use ndiswrapper, but there are also some third-party drivers available for some cards, like atheros cards have a driver called madwifi, and realtek cards have drivers rt25xx and such. |
| 07:09.56 | cydork | Arafangion, iwconfig is in wireless-utils or something, search for it :P |
| 07:10.09 | liable | wirell-tools |
| 07:10.14 | Arafangion | cydork: I'm already running 2.6.16 |
| 07:10.15 | liable | wireless.. |
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| 07:11.13 | troubled | DocOC: well, at least things are coming along |
| 07:11.24 | PrinceAMD | asg: is this bootable debian-update-3.1r2-i386-1.iso |
| 07:11.25 | Relisxc | Hey, anyone know a good TEXT MSN client? I want to ditch X |
| 07:11.45 | cydork | Arafangion, then install wireless-tools as liable said, |
| 07:11.51 | liable | Relisxc: irssi and bitlbee |
| 07:11.58 | enouf | Arafangion: maybe could use the pkg 'wireless-tools' - is it installed? |
| 07:12.09 | Relisxc | liable: Im curious how it notifys me when someone starts a convo |
| 07:12.11 | Arafangion | cydork: It's already installed. |
| 07:12.15 | enouf | whooops already mentioned ...ok |
| 07:12.29 | Arafangion | cydork: iwconfig says: eth1 no wireless extensions |
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| 07:13.05 | Arafangion | cydork: I might mention I have a button above my keyboard that turns it on and off, works in ubuntu - but it must be on before wireless works. |
| 07:13.13 | Arafangion | cydork: Such buttons appear to have zero effect on Debian. |
| 07:13.34 | liable | Relisxc: same like a query in irc |
| 07:13.39 | troubled | Siddharta: still with us there? |
| 07:13.42 | cydork | Arafangion, which laptop do you have? :P |
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| 07:13.53 | Arafangion | cydork: Asus V6V, works flawlessly under Ubuntu Breezy. |
| 07:13.58 | Relisxc | liable: =/ |
| 07:14.04 | Customer59 | hi |
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| 07:14.15 | liable | Relisxc: thats bad? |
| 07:14.51 | Relisxc | liable: uh, yea, I use it for business, I need to know when someone starts a convo |
| 07:15.05 | enouf | Arafangion: another guess - how about that wpasupplicant thing/pkg ? |
| 07:15.30 | Arafangion | enouf: Installing that now. |
| 07:15.46 | Arafangion | enouf: Still, I'm intruged as to why I can't "turn on" the wireless card. |
| 07:15.57 | Arafangion | enouf: And why iwconfig doesn't report any wireless extensions. |
| 07:16.21 | enouf | Arafangion: ok - wonder if it's even necessary for WEP - hmmm --- It;s a Laptop ? some of theose actually have a Wifi On/of button located on the laptop itself |
| 07:16.24 | liable | Relisxc: you can set your client to beep.. |
| 07:16.29 | Arafangion | enouf: Yes. |
| 07:16.30 | cydork | enouf, i think it's client |
| 07:16.37 | Arafangion | enouf: I have the button - but it doesn't work in Debian. |
| 07:16.50 | cydork | enouf, i mean that wpasupplicant thing is client :P |
| 07:16.56 | enouf | Arafangion: I see - ok ... hi cydork |
| 07:17.10 | enouf | :-) |
| 07:17.33 | Relisxc | liable: WIll ti say like :bliggity blue wants to talk to you, press 5 to respond? |
| 07:17.53 | liable | Relisxc: no |
| 07:18.20 | ph00 | now a machine in the same (external-NAT) IP rannge as I am is trying to reach me on 139. is he trying to "administrator" me? |
| 07:18.32 | Relisxc | liable: pewp |
| 07:18.54 | Relisxc | liable: what good will a beep do me? |
| 07:19.20 | ph00 | the fact that firestarter says they're trying to use samba, does that mean they are assuming I run win? |
| 07:19.25 | liable | Relisxc: dude, i dont know what you expect from console apps.. |
| 07:19.31 | cydork | Arafangion, i think if it's in kernel you should be able to modprobe it, coz in debian most of the stuff is as modules |
| 07:19.43 | Relisxc | liable: well irissi worked dreams on irc :/ |
| 07:19.53 | Arafangion | cydork: It's already loaded, it seems. |
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| 07:20.04 | Arafangion | cydork: I don't see how it'd recognize the driver (and even use it) otherwise. |
| 07:20.11 | Arafangion | cydork: It just fails to see the wireless extensions. |
| 07:21.06 | liable | Relisxc: yes, and bitlbee is run from irssi... |
| 07:21.19 | Relisxc | liable: you have used it? |
| 07:21.24 | liable | Relisxc: you just connect to their server in irssi, or install your own |
| 07:21.26 | liable | Relisxc: yes |
| 07:21.51 | Relisxc | liable: so is it actually usable?, can I select who I want to talk to, adn have more than one chat goin? |
| 07:22.34 | liable | Relisxc: yeah, its like a channel, everyones chat goes in one window, but you need to address them to talk to a particular person. |
| 07:22.37 | liable | Relisxc: google it |
| 07:22.43 | troubled | Arafangion: you mean you have a wifi on off button and its only working in windows? thus software based? thus easy to make it appear to be off and still xmit without you knowing? |
| 07:22.52 | Relisxc | liable: I shall DOGPILE it =o |
| 07:23.17 | Arafangion | troubled: No, I mean, I have a wifi on/off button that works in Ubuntu |
| 07:23.33 | troubled | Arafangion: i meant its software controlled yes? |
| 07:23.41 | Arafangion | troubled: Possibly. |
| 07:23.44 | liable | Arafangion: you may need a driver for it. check linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil |
| 07:23.49 | troubled | Arafangion: otherwise it should work regardless of the os |
| 07:24.31 | Arafangion | liable: I suspect it just echos something to /proc |
| 07:24.38 | enouf | Arafangion: more guesses - how's about the file /etc/network/run/ifstate (mine only has lo=lo and eth0=eth0, no wireless setup here, but got the tools installed) and review the wireless-tools sctipts in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and /etc/network/if-post-down.d |
| 07:24.48 | troubled | Arafangion: all im saying is, damn what a treat that would be for hackers and fbi etc that wish to take over a machine to install false sense of security yet havent it unknowningly only transmit the data they want back when you think its offline |
| 07:25.06 | troubled | s/havent/have it/ |
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| 07:25.43 | Arafangion | troubled: IT WORKS IN UBUNTU! |
| 07:25.50 | troubled | i really cant believe that the whole world is based of such crappy security in the name of national security |
| 07:26.22 | troubled | Arafangion: ah, so your saying your not in debian atm and you dont know if it works in debian or not? |
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| 07:26.42 | Arafangion | troubled: I'm in debian at the moment, yesterday, I was surfing the net fine using ubuntu. |
| 07:26.51 | Arafangion | troubled: This laptop has both Debian and Ubuntu. |
| 07:26.58 | liable | Arafangion: lots of laptop shit works in ubuntu, they patch their kernels heavily |
| 07:27.00 | Arafangion | troubled: Ubuntu works, Debian doesn't work. |
| 07:27.04 | DocOC | Arafangion: which debian distribution? |
| 07:27.07 | troubled | Arafangion: does it work in debian with the debian drivers though is all i was after |
| 07:27.08 | Arafangion | DocOC: Etch. |
| 07:27.25 | liable | Arafangion: you need to fing out *what* is driving it |
| 07:27.39 | holycow | its almost certainly means ubuntu included drivers/firmware and debian doesn't |
| 07:27.44 | troubled | Arafangion: and does the card work at all in debian? or does the card work but the button doesnt? (suggesting its software controlled) |
| 07:28.07 | DocOC | Arafangion: ubuntu may have ported some utilities from sid, or created their own packages. Ubuntu is intentionally designed for desktop users, and they tend to be less cautious about including newer, less well-tested software. |
| 07:28.13 | enouf | Arafangion: I heard you say 2.6.16 kerenl - is that a 686? or just 386? |
| 07:28.15 | troubled | holycow: im just saying if its firmware controlled its not good enough security. its bullshit |
| 07:28.18 | xj3 | sudo /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdxx << is this how you format a drive? |
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| 07:28.37 | troubled | holycow: see what im getting at? |
| 07:28.37 | Arafangion | troubled: Interesting, just found out that eth1 is my firewire. |
| 07:28.44 | Arafangion | troubled: I thought it was my wireless. |
| 07:28.50 | enouf | not that it should matter ... but what the hey |
| 07:29.00 | holycow | *nod* |
| 07:29.06 | Arafangion | enouf: 686 |
| 07:29.14 | troubled | Arafangion: lol gratz. Although i dont think iver seen any firewall network devices yet |
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| 07:29.34 | Arafangion | troubled: And the ipw2200 module fails, unable to load the firmware. |
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| 07:29.46 | DocOC | Arafangion: your wifi may be wlan0, that tends to be the naming convention. |
| 07:29.50 | enouf | Arafangion: ok isn't wifi sometimes wlan0, or |
| 07:29.53 | cydork | Arafangion, you need firmware then |
| 07:30.03 | troubled | holycow: what a world we live in. its that kinda crap that makes me made at the governments who seek mandatory back doors and other sneaky shiiit |
| 07:30.15 | holycow | oh hey i hear ya |
| 07:30.30 | xj3 | how do you format a drive? |
| 07:30.30 | troubled | Arafangion: so you havent got your nic card to even work yet to answer my question? |
| 07:30.31 | cydork | Arafangion, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ try this site |
| 07:30.34 | Dianora | private |
| 07:30.40 | Arafangion | troubled: I think I have to install the firmware manually. |
| 07:30.41 | holycow | troubled, the great thing is that the open source community is getting so large that soon we will be able to start hardware companies that cater to us |
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| 07:30.55 | holycow | troubled, as i'm sure you are aware someone is building an open source video card |
| 07:31.12 | DocOC | troubled: I'm right on the train with you on this one. What pisses me off more, though is the new biometric crap on laptops. like I'm going to buy a laptop that is going to transmit my thumb-print to the NSA the moment I go online for the first time. |
| 07:31.19 | holycow | i suspect getting a mobo manufacturer to do the same would take little more than a guarantee to purchase 10 000 units up front |
| 07:31.30 | holycow | and i wouldn't doubt we could sell all of them |
| 07:31.45 | holycow | freedom hardware |
| 07:31.49 | ph00 | hey what's this about? the ISP's default gateway box is trying to ICMP me |
| 07:31.55 | troubled | holycow: indeed :) normally i wouldnt care, but when 0day and hacker communities get the same "up your ass back door" access that the government gets/wants, then something should be done cause at least the gov has respect for power and some control etc |
| 07:32.09 | ph00 | and firestarter blocked it |
| 07:32.16 | holycow | troubled, indeedy |
| 07:32.28 | DocOC | ph00: you are even more paranoid than I am. Lithium works for me, maybe you should try it ;-) |
| 07:32.38 | troubled | holycow: i thought i heard about a project years ago about open vid card or something of the sort. it progressing? |
| 07:32.49 | holycow | yep |
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| 07:33.22 | ph00 | dodocI'm not paranoid, just courious. I'm trying to understand how stuff works |
| 07:33.24 | xj3 | how do you format a drive? |
| 07:33.32 | xj3 | motherfucker |
| 07:33.38 | xj3 | got my attention? |
| 07:33.39 | ph00 | well... OK, a *bit* paranoid, maybe... |
| 07:33.41 | enouf | Arafangion: correctiin to myself - only 486 or 686 seems available (2.6.16 and up) - i recall hearing about 386 bring phased out |
| 07:34.01 | enouf | being* |
| 07:34.02 | Arafangion | enouf: I seem to remember a 386 2.6.16 kernel. |
| 07:34.08 | DocOC | xj3: motherfucker isn't here right now, please leave a message at the beep, and motherfucker will call you back when he god-damn feels like it. |
| 07:34.13 | ph00 | and I go by *way* heavier stuff thjan lithium, not salts but achaloids ;-) |
| 07:34.18 | troubled | DocOC: rofl. i hear that too. im off the belief that for something to be secure, it must also be secure from the gov, or everyone cept who you auth, or else its prone to leaks. and damn, the distribution channels of the hacker community rivals that of large oems. if not more so since hackers arent motivated by greed and cut the crap |
| 07:34.22 | ph00 | alcaloids |
| 07:34.23 | streuner | Don't feed |
| 07:34.29 | ph00 | whatever it's spelled |
| 07:34.31 | enouf | Arafangion: I just tried apt-cache search linux-image-* |
| 07:34.49 | troubled | s/off/of/ |
| 07:35.37 | holycow | troubled, for something to be secure it must be completely open and licenced under an osi approved licence |
| 07:35.40 | holycow | that is the only way to really vet security |
| 07:35.58 | holycow | everything else is cloak and dagger |
| 07:36.18 | troubled | holycow: i agree on open, but license is really irrelavent. it only applies in a legal sense, not a functional one |
| 07:36.20 | holycow | the movie studios are shooting them selves in the foot by demanding no open source drm be used on their future releases |
| 07:36.26 | holycow | that is a sure way to fuck your self |
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| 07:36.41 | holycow | troubled, if its not licenced properly it wont be tested properly either imho |
| 07:37.08 | troubled | holycow: im sure they have a big plan already in motion with every possible what if taken into account to ensure they get what they want |
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| 07:37.46 | holycow | troubled, indeed |
| 07:38.19 | troubled | holycow: true, the social effect would be altered, but im just saying that a "no secrets" is the main mandatory thing needed |
| 07:38.40 | holycow | *nod* i will agree with that and concurr as well |
| 07:38.57 | troubled | DocOC: troll chow? heh |
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| 07:41.17 | Arafangion | enouf: I can't find kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 07:41.29 | Arafangion | enouf: It appears that only kernel headers for 2.4.27 exist. |
| 07:41.45 | holycow | lol |
| 07:41.46 | enouf | Arafangion: on your installation ? <confused> |
| 07:41.49 | holycow | naw they are there |
| 07:41.56 | holycow | maybe not installed |
| 07:42.08 | troubled | Siddharta: you there? |
| 07:42.12 | Arafangion | enouf: Ahh, old instructions - it appears that we now use "linux-kernel-headers" instead. |
| 07:42.23 | holycow | yes indeed |
| 07:42.24 | cydork | Arafangion, in etch they are called linux-headers or sothing in etch |
| 07:42.26 | troubled | Arafangion: gotta love change heh |
| 07:42.36 | holycow | that got me on ubuntu too |
| 07:42.42 | enouf | Arafangion: ahhh ok |
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| 07:43.07 | DocOC | someone, someday will write a network worm that invades all Vista machines and deletes all drm licenses, and clogs MS and various RIAA MPAA members phone-lines with complaints for months. |
| 07:43.11 | enouf | !soothe cydork |
| 07:43.11 | Arafangion | enouf: Now, I just want to know _WHICH_ firmware to use! |
| 07:43.29 | troubled | Arafangion: only one way to prevent any one person from knowing everything, keep changing everything :p like a cruel game of cat and mouse, users chase in dev's footprints heh |
| 07:43.40 | Alkinooos | any recommendations to built a noiseless pc? |
| 07:43.42 | enouf | Arafangion: for Wifi ? no clue ... |
| 07:44.08 | enouf | Alkinooos: Solid State |
| 07:44.14 | troubled | DocOC: someone, someday will write a network work that invades all Vista machines and replaces it with linux in one day :) wouldnt that fuck the planet rofl |
| 07:44.17 | streuner | Alkinooos: diskless |
| 07:44.27 | troubled | s/work/worm/ |
| 07:44.41 | deadcat | Alkinooos: debian/nslu2 |
| 07:44.41 | Alkinooos | enouf whats solid state? |
| 07:44.44 | DocOC | troubled: worms don't tend to be benevolent like that :) |
| 07:45.13 | Alkinooos | streuner you mean the major problem is disk noise? I think power supply is too |
| 07:45.14 | streuner | dpkg, listvals nslu2 |
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| 07:45.19 | troubled | DocOC: bah, make em do whatever you want really. I just think it would be the funniest damn thing i ever seen in my life |
| 07:45.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nslu2' by value returned no results. |
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| 07:45.27 | deadcat | http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/nslu2_enclosure.jpg |
| 07:45.35 | streuner | Alkinooos: true, there are psu which are fanless... |
| 07:45.36 | enouf | Alkinooos: non-physical/mechanical mediums - transistors only |
| 07:45.46 | cydork | Arafangion, didn't you see the sourceforge site?? |
| 07:45.50 | troubled | DocOC: ya, i thing i would be a martyr and spend a decade in jail for that if I had the chance heh |
| 07:46.34 | enouf | Alkinooos: passive PSU (but get a good one) and a PCI Card that you can load up with RAM for the OS - would get you more than halfway there |
| 07:46.35 | DocOC | troubled: the funny thing is, the effect of that would be to make most people linux users, because most people are too afraid to even re-install windows. |
| 07:47.05 | Alkinooos | enouf what you mean by passive? |
| 07:47.07 | streuner | Alkinooos: laptops are pretty noiseless |
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| 07:47.28 | Alkinooos | liquidcolling? |
| 07:47.31 | Alkinooos | cooling |
| 07:47.49 | troubled | DocOC: i could see it. And im sure that most tech's would have a hard time repairing it if they only know windows. not to mention some people would just stick with linux cause of the cost to repair |
| 07:47.54 | DocOC | those little minimac things have no fans. |
| 07:48.08 | enouf | Alkinooos: solid state :-o - but really no fans - only big heat sink fins -- look into water cooled too (maybe not) |
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| 07:48.16 | troubled | DocOC: an even funnier thing would be someone at MS makin a worm to undo it with a linux flaw rofl |
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| 07:49.01 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.12 | DocOC | troubled: you'd have to make sure the worm installed a cron-job to run apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade hourly :) |
| 07:49.16 | Tallu| | Haha, I phoned up customer care for microsoft, said I want to return my OEM copy of windows since I didnt accept they EULA and he said "if you dont mind me saying.. good choice.. but anyway. you have to contact the manufacturer." |
| 07:49.38 | DocOC | haha. |
| 07:49.49 | troubled | DocOC: then you create the point of failure since isp's would just hijack the repositories |
| 07:49.53 | Tallu| | Funny to see people actually work there |
| 07:49.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:49.57 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:50.00 | holycow | troubled, you don't need to write that |
| 07:50.04 | Arafangion | cydork: I'm using it at the moment, but it's a bit frustrating. |
| 07:50.06 | holycow | you just need to modify the bsd worm |
| 07:50.11 | holycow | someone already wrote that for bsd |
| 07:50.17 | holycow | but for linux :) |
| 07:50.18 | holycow | lol |
| 07:50.22 | Arafangion | cydork: See, the dpkg bot instructions are for stable, but I'm using etch. |
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| 07:50.32 | Arafangion | cydork: And the utilities don't exist for etch - but they exist for stable and sid. |
| 07:50.35 | holycow | i mean you run it on linux and it installs bsd and wipes linux away |
| 07:50.36 | Alkinooos | is 'solid state' a manufacterer or what? |
| 07:50.44 | DocOC | damn, I'm still hungry |
| 07:50.44 | troubled | Tallu|: heh. brave. but isnt there a catch 22? you have to open it to read the eula, but once you open it you cant return it to the oem? :/ |
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| 07:50.49 | archpollux | hi |
| 07:50.49 | DocOC | !cheese dococ |
| 07:50.56 | archpollux | does anyone know how I can make lame accept any genre? |
| 07:51.02 | TiCPU | when using dpkg to install a .deb file, is there a way to speicify it to execute a modified post-install script, or at least, ignore it completely ? |
| 07:51.10 | troubled | holycow: aww, why not lol. would make history hehe, or get me killed, but meh |
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| 07:51.45 | holycow | :) |
| 07:51.48 | TiCPU | archpollux: needs ID3v2 |
| 07:51.49 | troubled | holycow: i would if it wouldnt disrupt global economy and anger ppl with regards to linux |
| 07:51.54 | holycow | i'll come and visit ya if your in the pogey |
| 07:52.03 | holycow | ha! |
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| 07:52.09 | holycow | troubled, dun worry about it |
| 07:52.11 | cydork | Arafangion, did you check /msg dpkg ipw2200 firmware |
| 07:52.16 | DocOC | speaking of solid-state, weren't we supposed to have solid-state storage by now? with crystals and lasers and petabytes of data all for cheap? |
| 07:52.18 | Tallu| | troubled, well the thing is it comes preinstalled on laptops and when you turn it on the eula is there, you press decline and it formats your computer. then you have no eula to show. but well, if i dont get the money from the manufacturer (they are discussing it or something and they promised that their big man from sales will call me back next week) |
| 07:52.22 | archpollux | --id3v2-only ? |
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| 07:52.29 | holycow | the thing about opensource/free software vs market driven stuff is that the problem solves it self |
| 07:52.33 | holycow | we are here forever |
| 07:52.34 | Arafangion | cydork: Yes. |
| 07:52.34 | troubled | holycow: hell, could you imagine the public outlook if bin laden used linux to coordinate his attacks or something the press could hype up |
| 07:52.36 | holycow | like cockroaches |
| 07:52.48 | holycow | they live and die on however many they sold the day before |
| 07:52.53 | TiCPU | archpollux, just get both v1 and v2 |
| 07:53.01 | holycow | killing ms is actually fairly easy in an abstract sense |
| 07:53.03 | archpollux | TiCPU: i use defaults |
| 07:53.15 | holycow | but you don't want to anger people, you want them to absorb the movement through osmosis |
| 07:53.26 | holycow | troubled, he probably did |
| 07:53.27 | Alkinooos | is 'solid state' a manufacturer or what? |
| 07:53.28 | holycow | >_> |
| 07:53.31 | troubled | Tallu|: gotta love the system. cost you more in time and expenses to pursue it than it does to just accept it |
| 07:53.34 | holycow | Alkinooos, google it |
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| 07:54.04 | Tallu| | troubled, I know.. |
| 07:54.19 | enouf | Alkinooos: have a look at mini-ITX, or if not enough for your needs http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Systems - here's a nice PCI card that interfaces through the Sata port, that you load up with RAM and install your OS onto http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/gigabyte-iram/index.x?pg=1 -- still need the HSF for the CPU though in many cases |
| 07:54.23 | troubled | holycow: we're safe if only for the fact that we could use the arguments that computers were the root tool in his attack and not the os |
| 07:54.25 | archpollux | TiCPU: i used that, it says: Unknown genre: 'Progressive Alternative'. Specify genre name or number |
| 07:54.27 | Tallu| | troubled, but I guess it just makes me feel better I know I atleast tried. |
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| 07:54.44 | holycow | troubled, there are a lot worse things happening right now |
| 07:54.51 | Alkinooos | I dont think I can put a xeon into a micro-atx |
| 07:54.52 | holycow | the u.s. is awash in software patents |
| 07:54.57 | Arafangion | Ok, I've installed the Sid version. |
| 07:54.59 | holycow | and trying to export that crap to the rest of the world |
| 07:55.04 | holycow | that needs to be stopped at all costs |
| 07:55.12 | holycow | and rolled back in the u.s. as well |
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| 07:55.32 | troubled | Tallu|: its the thought that counts. and besides, each time a person hears someone stand up, it leaves and impression. and impressions soon become gossip and so on...good or bad i guess its all unpredictable without all the variables |
| 07:55.35 | cat | lol holycow |
| 07:55.39 | holycow | all sorts of freedoms accross the world are being also given away by us on a lot of fronts |
| 07:55.53 | holycow | hell in britain people actually want the govt to install and run surveilance systems |
| 07:55.56 | holycow | i find this astounding |
| 07:56.49 | cat | holycow: like such? |
| 07:57.01 | DocOC | what was that quote? "You don't have to force freedom on people at the point of a gun. If you've got something good, they'll come and steal it" |
| 07:57.39 | holycow | heh |
| 07:57.43 | troubled | holycow: ya. tell me about it. I had a discussion with some friends when 911 happened. All I was saying is that its bs that the security is a side effect. My point was, well, lets say i want all subways to put up rails, all you gotta do is start pushing people in front of trains to the point where ssecurity is force implemented. But whats to stop the gov from using fake attacks to get their way |
| 07:57.52 | TiCPU | oh right, those are ID3v1. archpollux, as for me I use 'kid3' to tag all my music |
| 07:58.23 | archpollux | TiCPU: yeah, but it's annoying when u can do it all at once with the ripper |
| 07:58.33 | holycow | troubled, whats to say all the crap isn't exactly what you postulate might be happening? |
| 07:58.43 | Tallu| | troubled, besides, I felt bad even back when I used windows. I mean, about the preinstalled forced OEM software that came with computers if you didnt build your own. I've usually built my own but this time it's a laptop. |
| 07:58.44 | holycow | i don't believe a frickin word of anything the american govt says any more |
| 07:58.46 | DocOC | troubled: careful, you're getting too close to the truth. I can hear the nsa walking up your porch-steps right now. |
| 07:59.10 | holycow | the uk arrests the other week was instigated by the americans, not the british it turns out |
| 07:59.12 | holycow | wtf? |
| 07:59.13 | holycow | :) |
| 07:59.19 | troubled | holycow: the sad thing is ill never know the truth (well, maybe when a person dies, but I havent reached that part of the story yet...) |
| 07:59.19 | TiCPU | oh, for the ripper I use, 'grip', I never had any troubles |
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| 07:59.48 | holycow | troubled, :) as the chinese say we live in "interesting" times |
| 07:59.59 | Alkinooos | steel, acryllic or aluminum case? |
| 08:00.13 | holycow | troubled, i think it will turn out to be that open source and gnu will be very very important in the times ahead |
| 08:00.17 | enouf | DocOC : you mean like this ? http://www.physorg.com/news785.html |
| 08:00.40 | troubled | DocOC: bah, i think the gov picked me up thanks to friends and my own openess years ago. Im better that im considered potentially lethal in their systems only because i have a broad area of interests |
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| 08:01.01 | DocOC | troubled: it's well documented that exactly that happened in spain not too many years ago. Hmm, who exactly was in the 'coalition of the willing?' |
| 08:01.06 | Arafangion | Could I please suggest an update to dpkg's ipw2200 instructions? |
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| 08:01.26 | Arafangion | Etch users: You will need module-assistant, build-essential, gcc-4.0 and dpatch. Etch does not have the correct versions of ipw2200-source or ieee80211-source, install those two packages from the Sid archive. (Yes, I know that this means you have a mixed setup, but these are source kernel modules so that's not too bad ) |
| 08:01.34 | Arafangion | Please let me know if gcc-4.0 will mess things up. |
| 08:01.34 | troubled | holycow: well, lets not put gnu at the front line yet. Things are started to go stale in the oss leadership with regards to GPL these days. stallman vs. linus |
| 08:01.58 | holycow | naw |
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| 08:02.05 | troubled | DocOC: not familiar with that issue (sorry, i only tend to follow tech heh) |
| 08:02.05 | holycow | linus is simply what he does best |
| 08:02.07 | enouf | Alkinooos: it helps if you use nicks in your responses, if you're talking to someone in particular |
| 08:02.16 | holycow | offer opinions on things he has no clue about |
| 08:02.32 | holycow | just pick any of his statements about anything but the kernel |
| 08:02.32 | troubled | holycow: but how do you replace someone so influencial and powerful? |
| 08:02.48 | holycow | *meh* when linux goes someone else will replace him |
| 08:02.55 | troubled | kinda like monarchy vs. democracy (that right terms?) |
| 08:02.56 | holycow | linus even :) |
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| 08:03.33 | holycow | his good kernel leadership will be missed but even he will admit he is replaceable ... which is the beaty of the free software movement ... its here forever |
| 08:04.07 | holycow | its a meritocracy, not a democracy or a monarchy :) |
| 08:04.20 | holycow | so far as i can tell gpl 3 is fine |
| 08:04.36 | holycow | the kernel will always be gpl2, its just too hard to relicence all the code under a new licence |
| 08:04.36 | troubled | holycow: well...thats the thing that sucks about society, the laws can change. Its like playing a game against the ref that can make rules on the fly. co-operation is the only win win solution |
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| 08:04.57 | holycow | troubled, indeed, that is why i think stallman is a genious |
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| 08:05.04 | holycow | way back before anyone had a clue |
| 08:05.09 | holycow | the dude came up with the gpl |
| 08:05.23 | troubled | holycow: not true, as any contract, all parties involved can agree to change the terms at any time. but man thats a lot of approvals heh |
| 08:05.24 | holycow | not an idealogical thing like bsd which is pure free software |
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| 08:05.38 | holycow | but the dude looked around and said, oh shit, and used the system against it self |
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| 08:05.41 | holycow | sheer genious |
| 08:05.54 | holycow | troubled, lol try and find all the copyright owners |
| 08:05.56 | holycow | i dare ya :) |
| 08:06.06 | holycow | the kernel turned 15 years old the other day :) |
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| 08:07.12 | troubled | holycow: I think the reason some people give people like me (us?) hard times sometimes is because they know our types are capable of usurping their control away, and thus place barriers forcing us into comliance. Im glad that linus and stallman made it through the barriers. I cant say that I am havent the same affect in this "MS" town :/ |
| 08:07.39 | holycow | troubled, lol |
| 08:07.50 | holycow | dude i just spent the last month talking to a LOT of vendors here in vancouver |
| 08:07.59 | holycow | its like fucking talking to microsoft zombies |
| 08:08.18 | troubled | holycow: well, you've seen Erin Brockovich? All it would take is a vast majority. You cant argue that if a judge approves it sinces its a democracy and thats how our system works. They cant say no without shooting themselves in the foot (check? or check mate hehe) |
| 08:08.30 | holycow | i think i must have either surrounded my self with smart people or open source people for my entire tech career |
| 08:08.37 | holycow | because talking to these fucks is like i donno |
| 08:08.48 | holycow | talking to someone who had a lobottomy performed in redmond |
| 08:08.51 | troubled | whats that saying, people of a feather lfock togethere? |
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| 08:08.52 | ph00 | yeah |
| 08:08.57 | holycow | they arent even interested in learning anything new |
| 08:09.03 | ph00 | same here (southern EU) |
| 08:09.14 | holycow | they know about linux but i'll be damned if anyone has two braincells to pull together |
| 08:09.18 | troubled | holycow: who are "these fucks"?! not us man! say it aint so!!! |
| 08:09.31 | Arafangion | Damn this is annoying. |
| 08:09.32 | holycow | i can't tell you how much time i spent on the phone tryhing to understand microsoft licencing bullshit alone |
| 08:09.52 | holycow | troubled, software and hardware vendors in vancouver |
| 08:10.03 | holycow | there isn't a single person with a fucking clue |
| 08:10.07 | Arafangion | I can't m-a m-i the ipw2200, because evidently, I do not have the kernel headers installed. THEY DO NOT EXIST FOR ETCH AND 2.6.16 |
| 08:10.14 | holycow | even netware jockeys have resigned them selves to microsoft |
| 08:10.48 | holycow | although you know, on the one hand i'm dissapointed on th eother their being so blind to options leaves the farkin door open for me wide open :) |
| 08:10.59 | enouf | Arafangion: any good ? sudo modprobe -l | grep ipw2200 |
| 08:11.02 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
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| 08:11.42 | troubled | holycow: heh (MS point) |
| 08:11.51 | Arafangion | enouf: Please, tell me how the heck one installs ieee80211 |
| 08:11.55 | ph00 | I'm trying to switch ppl to Linux like this: I've set up a small computer service thing whith myself as the only "employee" and I get customers by hanging notes at the bus stops, train stations etc, like "PC trouble, call me". Well, they DO call, and in some cases I manages to convince them to installa a dual boot (no pure linuxes so far) |
| 08:12.00 | troubled | holycow: hey, i was die hard NDS/Netware! |
| 08:12.10 | Arafangion | enouf: Using anything related to the line given by /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 08:12.17 | enouf | Arafangion: sorry - only know that you could install the module using modprobe |
| 08:12.28 | troubled | holycow: at one point netware admin was my career goal...then AD came out and took em out |
| 08:12.28 | holycow | ph00, :) coolness |
| 08:12.37 | holycow | i have 1 install of ubuntu at a private residence for testing |
| 08:12.39 | holycow | thats going really good |
| 08:12.43 | Arafangion | enouf: Yes, but it's not enough - one also needs the firmware and ieee80211 and the like to even get the module to actually work. |
| 08:12.43 | DocOC | Arafangion: linux-headers, not kernel-headers |
| 08:12.44 | ph00 | btw, I'm doing that in a totally illegal way, no registration, no taxes, no nothing = fair price |
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| 08:12.55 | SJr|nx | I have a RAID card that is setup to mirror two drives but I don't think its working as linux shows the drives as /dev/hde and /dev/hdf, what can I do? |
| 08:12.56 | holycow | we are switching the entire company here to ubuntu desktoops except for accounting and hr |
| 08:13.01 | ph00 | yeah |
| 08:13.01 | Arafangion | DocOC: How do I tell that to module-assistant? |
| 08:13.03 | holycow | so slowly things are changing |
| 08:13.16 | troubled | holycow: All I can say to the masses of OSS advocates and supporters is that we are missing one important thing.... |
| 08:13.17 | holycow | but i was reqally really surprised how ingrained ms with the vendors |
| 08:13.20 | holycow | very surprised |
| 08:13.25 | troubled | holycow: ...a theme song! :) |
| 08:13.31 | holycow | at minimum i thought i would talk to people with open minds |
| 08:13.35 | DocOC | Arafangion: module-assistant doesn't care about the package name, you could have the kernel-source for all it cares. |
| 08:13.39 | holycow | infact the average home user is more open minded than they are |
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| 08:13.48 | holycow | troubled, lol |
| 08:13.48 | holycow | :) |
| 08:13.59 | enouf | Arafangion: guessing again - but sudo modprobe -l | grep firm - I'll look at the /msg dpkg ipw2200 now |
| 08:14.00 | holycow | what is going to happen is fairly straing forward i think |
| 08:14.06 | holycow | we are going to take allthe so called 'markets' |
| 08:14.10 | Arafangion | DocOC: Could you help me install ieee80211-source using m-a? |
| 08:14.12 | troubled | damn, wheres a going joint to excite the neurons when you need one |
| 08:14.14 | holycow | and chunk them up into smaller more manageable problem domains |
| 08:14.18 | holycow | and tackle them one by one |
| 08:14.25 | holycow | there is no desktop market for example imho |
| 08:14.30 | ph00 | that works you know, I left my regular job and I do make a living out of that. Lots of ppl need PC help and don't want to use the regular ways, to expensive, they rip them off, etc... |
| 08:14.35 | Arafangion | enouf: It's ieee80211-source that's giving me grief. |
| 08:14.37 | holycow | that is a whole bunch of niche markets welded together under the ms idea that everyone is the same |
| 08:14.41 | DocOC | Arafangion: does /usr/src/linux exist? (should be a symlink to your kernel-headers) |
| 08:14.47 | troubled | holycow: what OSS needs is the financial sectore (the "death star" of the world) |
| 08:14.47 | holycow | there are lots and lots of opportunities |
| 08:14.56 | Arafangion | DocOC: Yes. |
| 08:14.58 | troubled | s/sectore/sector/ |
| 08:15.03 | holycow | troubled, not sure what you mean by that? |
| 08:15.24 | DocOC | Arafangion: and m-a is giving you an error? can you paste the error? |
| 08:15.30 | troubled | holycow: rather than atm's around the world switch from OS/2 to NT, should be to linux :) |
| 08:15.36 | cydork | Arafangion, what does m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 say?? |
| 08:15.44 | Arafangion | Just a moment |
| 08:15.48 | holycow | troubled, lol ah! |
| 08:15.49 | ph00 | my first time linux users are getting ubuntu too, I thiks that the perfect thing to learn Linux on |
| 08:15.49 | holycow | heh |
| 08:15.54 | holycow | troubled, you know i hate that too |
| 08:16.02 | Arafangion | Where do I get a cut&pasteable log? |
| 08:16.06 | holycow | unfortunately that one company practically owns the frickin market |
| 08:16.09 | cydork | !paster |
| 08:16.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:16.12 | holycow | they do the american voting machines too |
| 08:16.13 | troubled | holycow: if something as important as government and financial institutions trust their business to OSS, it speaks something about us |
| 08:16.23 | troubled | holycow: ya, makes me cry heh |
| 08:16.25 | Arafangion | cydork: How do I *get* it into paster? :) |
| 08:16.37 | cydork | Arafangion, oh ok. :) |
| 08:16.58 | holycow | diebold |
| 08:16.59 | troubled | Arafangion: www.pastebin.ca, paste/upload and submit |
| 08:17.00 | Arafangion | cydork: I've got a blue background, with a curses-based window saying "module-assistant, log file viewer". |
| 08:17.10 | troubled | holycow: diebold linux based? |
| 08:17.14 | holycow | no |
| 08:17.19 | holycow | they ONLY do ms |
| 08:17.21 | holycow | nothing else |
| 08:17.21 | cydork | Arafangion, huh? what does it say? |
| 08:17.31 | Arafangion | cydork: Several pages of compiler output. |
| 08:17.34 | holycow | troubled, i would say that is one strategy amongst millions |
| 08:17.47 | DocOC | vote with your feet. kick the touch-screen in. |
| 08:17.50 | holycow | but you know slowly the small service companies are popping up |
| 08:17.50 | troubled | holycow: which? the vote market? |
| 08:17.58 | troubled | rofl |
| 08:18.00 | troubled | doc |
| 08:18.01 | holycow | troubled, no they control the atm market |
| 08:18.01 | Arafangion | Let me paste a screenshot. |
| 08:18.08 | holycow | DocOC, heh |
| 08:18.14 | cydork | Arafangion, can't you seletct the log? |
| 08:18.20 | cydork | select even :P |
| 08:18.33 | Arafangion | cydork: Nope. |
| 08:18.40 | troubled | holycow: well, if you take away the schools, the banks and local governments, what else is left for them to feed their 60000 employees? heh |
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| 08:19.00 | cydork | Arafangion, no X? no gpm? |
| 08:19.13 | enouf | Arafangion: install 'gpm' then you can use your mouse in the terminal |
| 08:19.59 | Arafangion | cydork: I'll show you the screenshot. |
| 08:20.00 | holycow | troubled, oh a whole lot |
| 08:20.20 | holycow | troubled, i think governments schools and financial institutions should mostly use open source tho |
| 08:20.31 | holycow | i feel its an issue of national security |
| 08:20.41 | troubled | ph00: i dont have MS really since its not a real entity. I had the viral and most importantly, strategic (in anti linux way specifically) way that MS spreads |
| 08:20.57 | cydork | holycow, open source or free softeware ;) |
| 08:20.59 | DocOC | if they tried that touchscreen stuff here, they'd have an actual revolution on their hands. |
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| 08:21.17 | troubled | holycow: I agree fully. Leave MS to home and gaming market imho. or whatever devices they wanna make |
| 08:21.32 | Arafangion | http://www.fussycoder.id.au/Screenshot.png |
| 08:21.38 | holycow | yeah i would be fine with them being constrained to consumer level stuff |
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| 08:22.01 | troubled | DocOC: where are you? not .us i assume? |
| 08:22.03 | holycow | troubled, heh, you may be interested to know that i plan on starting a website that researches and lists all products that don't contain ms |
| 08:22.12 | holycow | they offend me so much i don't even wanna buy cars with their software |
| 08:22.15 | holycow | in it |
| 08:22.47 | troubled | holycow: oh god, i wouldnt blame ya hehe. Only cause I suspect the reason is more for police back doors and such |
| 08:22.56 | Alkinooos | is Gigabyte good company? |
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| 08:23.40 | DocOC | troubled: I'm in the US, in NY state. We take our voting rights very seriously here. |
| 08:24.00 | troubled | holycow: you know, I really hate to say this, but here goes...I'm glad in a way 911 happened, I wish nobody would have been hurt or suffer the deaths they did, but I wish it would have hit redmond :( |
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| 08:24.35 | troubled | DocOC: ahh cool, north of ya in ontario here (/me waves in your direction). No diebold there? |
| 08:24.40 | Arafangion | enouf, cydork http://www.fussycoder.id.au/Screenshot.png |
| 08:24.54 | troubled | holycow: ie: building damage only |
| 08:24.56 | holycow | troubled, its not like the thought hasn't occured to me |
| 08:25.09 | DocOC | troubled: nope, in fact, many counties are moving to paper-ballots with scan-tron machines. |
| 08:25.23 | cydork | Arafangion, what does uname -r say? |
| 08:25.29 | troubled | holycow: it crossed my mind when it was happening hehe. (thinking to self...damn, they out of planes already?!) |
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| 08:25.37 | troubled | holycow: its like watching fireworks heh |
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| 08:25.55 | Arafangion | cydork: 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 08:26.09 | ph00 | what I actually hate is not MS per se, it's the way they do business |
| 08:26.13 | troubled | DocOC: wtf is a scan tron? some secure scanner? |
| 08:26.24 | holycow | ph00, thats what i was going to say |
| 08:26.25 | vik | where does apt/dpkg keep its list of installed packages? |
| 08:26.31 | holycow | i don't really mind that they want to play in the game |
| 08:26.34 | holycow | i don't like how they play |
| 08:26.35 | troubled | ph00: well put. mind you im more anti big greedy business in general |
| 08:26.40 | Arafangion | cydork: For future reference, how do I _get_ a cut&pasteable log? |
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| 08:26.46 | holycow | the sort of value system they reflect an dencourage offends me |
| 08:27.05 | cat | vik: depends |
| 08:27.12 | DocOC | troubled: you fill in little circles with pen, and the machine scans the ballot and records the vote, and keeps the paper ballot for hand-recounts if necessary. You even get a little receipt as proof of your vote. |
| 08:27.13 | vik | cat: on what? |
| 08:27.52 | cydork | Arafangion, just select and paste somewhere else using mouse middle button |
| 08:27.56 | troubled | the big problem is our world cant support us all equally so we are forced to compete or end our family tree and thus be left out of the future, and ill tell you, ill fight for my future to the death if I cant be part of it. Thats what 911 was about. |
| 08:28.07 | Arafangion | cydork: Did you see the screenshot? |
| 08:28.46 | cat | packages, and stuff like that |
| 08:28.47 | Arafangion | cydork: Clicking the upper left, dragging to the lower right results in all the blue background and scroll windows being copied as well. |
| 08:28.54 | troubled | DocOC: seems like a good system, but in the end it only speeds the first initial count, it doesnt address the whole less paper issue that the diebolds were probably made for |
| 08:29.05 | troubled | DocOC: not that paper cant be faked as well |
| 08:29.06 | cat | for example deamons they go in /etc/init.d/bla bla scripts |
| 08:29.12 | |ryan| | anyone wanna reccomend an ident server? |
| 08:29.18 | cydork | Arafangion, yep, and i am confused about the error |
| 08:29.27 | Arafangion | |ryan|: Why would we recommend an ident server? |
| 08:29.43 | Arafangion | cydork: That is also the Sid version of ieee80211 |
| 08:29.47 | |ryan| | um, cause debian has several.... |
| 08:29.48 | troubled | |ryan|: oidentd or pidentd? |
| 08:29.51 | Arafangion | cydork: As it doesn't exist in Etch. |
| 08:29.54 | DocOC | troubled: yeah, but you get proof of your vote, with a unique id number, so you can actually go in, and personally request that your vote be verified. |
| 08:29.54 | pod-more | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3565 |
| 08:29.56 | ph00 | troubled, me too. But more that that, MS actually force ppl to buy their (lousy) product, and the thing I hate the most, is that thanks to infiltration in public places MS is now standard in both business and even public service computing. so basically all businesses do ma to be "compatible", and not only that, for example if the town buys computer classes for jobless people to get them back to work, they 'll *only* learn MS. It's pure mafia... |
| 08:29.57 | vik | cat: I want a list of packages that are installed on the system. |
| 08:30.05 | vik | not where the files are |
| 08:30.11 | enouf | Alkinooos : for that i-RAM product - they are only one in the consumer grade arena - for mobos and stuff, they used to be good like 7-10yr's ago, not really great in thaty arena anymore |
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| 08:30.35 | troubled | |ryan|: unless you just need a simple Ident to return something/anything, then the default identd will work fine |
| 08:30.42 | ph00 | but ...that's been said. Time to try to *do* something about it. |
| 08:30.52 | ph00 | I'm tryoing, for the little I can... |
| 08:30.53 | cat | vik man aptitutes |
| 08:30.56 | |ryan| | I just want it to return my username for IRC. |
| 08:30.56 | ph00 | trying |
| 08:31.05 | enouf | Alkinooos : (that i know of so far)* |
| 08:31.07 | holycow | troubled, i think our world can support us equally, maybe not the current populatio nat the current western levels of consumption |
| 08:31.16 | troubled | DocOC: really, all votes should be community verifiable to eliminate the chance of corruption |
| 08:31.24 | holycow | my greated dissapointment is getting up every day and being dissapointed with humanity |
| 08:31.36 | holycow | not that i'm any better i do a lot of stupid things my self |
| 08:31.39 | vik | found it - /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 08:31.58 | pod-more | got a big problem, help me please: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3565 |
| 08:32.17 | |ryan| | hmm |
| 08:32.20 | ph00 | paper ballots. *and* citizen education! people just don't care about voting any more... but o the other hand, you only get to choose one of two jerks |
| 08:32.24 | DocOC | troubled: not that voting in NY makes any difference. The vote always goes democrat, and the thieves know that, so they concentrate their fraud elsewhere. |
| 08:32.29 | troubled | ph00: yup, its sick in a way, but thats the system we live in. Life 1.0 is in motion, and like a production machine, you cant stop the wheels to upgrade it, gotta patch. and patch the patches etc. |
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| 08:33.54 | cydork | pod-more, echo $PATH as a root |
| 08:33.54 | pod-more | cydork: included that in the nopaste |
| 08:33.54 | holycow | yeah |
| 08:33.54 | troubled | holycow: you never know what the furture holds. I think people underestimate the power of the computer in that respect. Once we can alter matter in any ways to our exact needs, its all over without proper controls (think mind control, viruses, mass extinctions etc) |
| 08:33.54 | holycow | i notice that too |
| 08:33.55 | ph00 | and when someone *anyone* who tries to get a message across, really starts to reach the masses, he or she gets ridiculized over the media and made sound silly. |
| 08:33.55 | holycow | i was watching you tube the other day |
| 08:33.59 | holycow | and it struck me very very disturbing |
| 08:33.59 | Tallu| | How would I make a file that is exactly one megabyte in size, and just fill it with useless garbage? |
| 08:34.16 | ph00 | but that should go in some #politics channel... |
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| 08:34.20 | cydork | pod-more, oh ok :) and ldconfig exists?? |
| 08:34.25 | holycow | its like we have a culture of such a high level of self indulgence that i'm not sure what to make of it |
| 08:34.34 | pod-more | cydork: i think so... |
| 08:34.46 | pod-more | debian3164lamp:~# locate ldconfig |
| 08:34.46 | pod-more | /sbin/ldconfig |
| 08:34.57 | holycow | is everyone just having fun or does everyone simply want to record them selves and look at them selves? |
| 08:34.59 | DocOC | pod-more: did you become root by typing 'su'? |
| 08:34.59 | Arafangion | DAMN this is annoying :( |
| 08:35.03 | klikklak | Hi, I'm trying to burn dvd's and they're turning in to coasters, I've disabled autofs and I've tried lower speeds so I really don't understand what's going wrong. |
| 08:35.03 | troubled | DocOC: honestly, i dont understand the whole left wing, right wing, democray, repulican etc. I dont understand what the titles mean. And moreover I hate when ppl that vote tell you to stop complaining if you dont vote as I refuse to vote and contribute to a system I find flawed |
| 08:35.11 | Arafangion | I've tried to install the proprietary fglrx module. |
| 08:35.21 | pod-more | DocOC: no, logged in as root, but yea sometimes i use 'su' |
| 08:35.35 | Arafangion | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format |
| 08:35.37 | DocOC | pod-more: echo $PATH |
| 08:35.41 | holycow | troubled, lol i'm convinced that something like the story in th ematrix will happen should we ever develop self replicating self aware machines |
| 08:35.49 | pod-more | debian3164lamp:~# echo $PATH |
| 08:35.49 | pod-more | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 08:35.57 | cydork | pod-more, try to execute ldconfig manually |
| 08:36.11 | troubled | ph00: (re sound silly) Yup, I think the media is more about influencing society to the governments needs (and thus reinforcing their own power). Think buying from home depot rather than home hardware cause you have stock in the depot |
| 08:36.25 | pod-more | debian3164lamp:/sbin# ldconfig |
| 08:36.25 | pod-more | -bash: ldconfig: command not found |
| 08:36.41 | cydork | pod-more, that's the problem :) |
| 08:36.59 | holycow | troubled, i wouldn't agree with that |
| 08:37.04 | holycow | the media isn't exactly controled |
| 08:37.04 | enouf | Arafangion: you are root .. yes? (even though maybe only a make install in general needs root) |
| 08:37.15 | holycow | they are influenced in the u.s. and to a great degree have been reduced to parrots |
| 08:37.27 | cydork | pod-more, check if /sbin/ldconfig exists |
| 08:37.27 | DocOC | pod-more: does /sbin/ldconfig work? |
| 08:37.32 | holycow | but the problem with media such as tv and newspapers is the medium, not th edata or the metadata |
| 08:37.35 | pod-more | cydork: what to do now? I just tried "locate" and that works.. but in apt-get it says no file.. |
| 08:37.44 | troubled | holycow: I agree. Remember, all those robots in movies are fully functional 3d meshes in some movies. ie: the blue prints are there, they just need power sources, hover systems and more inportantly, decent AI. But the cool thing about AI is that you only need to make it once to photocopy it.. |
| 08:37.57 | cydork | pod-more, just try the command with the whole path |
| 08:37.59 | holycow | the problem with those two mediums is that they act essentially as switches relaying random bits of data |
| 08:38.13 | holycow | the viewer is then left to assemble the packets into coherent pieces of information |
| 08:38.17 | holycow | and they don't have tools to do that |
| 08:38.32 | pod-more | cydork: which command?` |
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| 08:38.49 | holycow | so people watch the israeli / lebanon war and think, oh poor israel they are defending them selves but don't have the whole history and context to put this packet into proper order |
| 08:38.49 | cydork | pod-more, /sbin/ldconfig |
| 08:38.56 | Arafangion | enouf: Turned out that fglrx was compiled using gcc 4.1 |
| 08:38.59 | pod-more | DocOC: no, i guess ldconfig isnt installed.. i just got an old database for locate |
| 08:39.05 | troubled | holycow: the gov vs. news stations is a stale mate situation. each one can harm the other, but the fight can never play to its final conclusion before other parties with interests intervein to stop it. Just like world wars.... |
| 08:39.07 | holycow | tv and newspaper relay nothing more than packets of information ... which is useless without context |
| 08:39.23 | holycow | so yes people are misinformed but that is just because they don't have the tools to reasemble the packets |
| 08:39.45 | cydork | pod-more, how come you dont have libc6 ?? |
| 08:39.58 | pod-more | cydork: dunno.. |
| 08:39.59 | cydork | pod-more, ldconfig comes with libc6 |
| 08:40.01 | holycow | *nod* on the ai, yeah you just need one ai unit get out |
| 08:40.01 | troubled | holycow: but context can be altered slightly. and in a calculated effect to have a desired mass effect |
| 08:40.11 | pod-more | cydork: can I install that manually? |
| 08:40.23 | holycow | troubled, regardless, i'm just pointing out a missing part of the mechanism |
| 08:40.32 | DocOC | pod-more: ok, that messed up apt-get removed the old libc6 and locale, but did not install the new... |
| 08:40.38 | holycow | the mediums are also a little like jpegs |
| 08:40.39 | holycow | lossy |
| 08:40.47 | troubled | holycow: think $00.00001 compunded, where the currency represents the amount of influence per person |
| 08:40.48 | holycow | you only get the packets that have been filtered in various ways |
| 08:40.52 | holycow | but you can compensate for that |
| 08:41.08 | pod-more | DocOC: yea thats right... I guess there was a mirror problem finding the new packages but removed the old ones anyway |
| 08:41.23 | troubled | holycow: but you can only compensate by filling in your own blanks, right or wrong |
| 08:41.38 | holycow | not really |
| 08:41.39 | troubled | ai on the lossy |
| 08:41.41 | cydork | pod-more, did you upgrade or downgrade ?? |
| 08:41.46 | holycow | there are many many ways to deal with lossy data |
| 08:41.48 | DocOC | pod-more: no, you downloaded the packages, but the problem with your locales made apt-get error out before installing the packages somehow. |
| 08:41.53 | holycow | you can rotate your data picture |
| 08:41.57 | holycow | skew it |
| 08:42.00 | holycow | average it |
| 08:42.02 | holycow | etc |
| 08:42.10 | holycow | add more resolution by doing research |
| 08:42.12 | holycow | and so forth |
| 08:42.15 | pod-more | cydork: dont know |
| 08:42.26 | ph00 | Help! |
| 08:42.28 | cydork | pod-more, /msg dpkg libc6 |
| 08:42.31 | troubled | holycow: but everything takes effort, and too much effort for one person leads to corner cutting. heck that may be the root of the issue for them even |
| 08:42.40 | DocOC | pod-more: try going into /var/cache/apt/archives/ and finding the libc6 package and install it manually with dpkg -i |
| 08:42.41 | ph00 | I'm totally being portscanned |
| 08:42.54 | troubled | ph00: sorry, wrong button |
| 08:42.58 | holycow | troubled, sure that is what i mean, there is no mechanism YET to helpy ou put it together |
| 08:43.03 | cydork | DocOC, that's what apt-get does, but the problem is in preinst script |
| 08:43.07 | pod-more | DocOC: dpkg brings the same error, aptitude does aswell |
| 08:43.09 | troubled | ph00: your lucky i didnt double click you! ;) |
| 08:43.11 | ph00 | I get connection attempts from the same IP on different ports, in numerical order |
| 08:43.13 | holycow | what you are recognizing ther eis that the workload requires a specific amount of energy input |
| 08:43.30 | holycow | thus what we need to do is distribute the workload among many many many cpus |
| 08:43.30 | cydork | DocOC, or something what dpkg does |
| 08:43.31 | holycow | i.e. people |
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| 08:43.40 | holycow | *note* i have something in the works on this |
| 08:43.40 | holycow | lol |
| 08:43.45 | ph00 | yeah right... |
| 08:43.47 | troubled | holycow: website? |
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| 08:43.53 | DocOC | pod-more: well it looks like you have a locale that makes no sense to me: en_DE |
| 08:43.56 | holycow | yawp |
| 08:44.02 | troubled | ph00: just fsckin with ya, walked into heh |
| 08:44.17 | ph00 | np |
| 08:44.19 | holycow | to be fair there is a proto website already doing a small component of this |
| 08:44.21 | holycow | wikipedia |
| 08:44.22 | troubled | holycow: well spill it! :) |
| 08:44.31 | holycow | but thats a small part of it i think |
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| 08:44.38 | ph00 | I got the jerk, gonna try to have some fun with him |
| 08:44.51 | holycow | we need to think about how we understand the world a bit differently than we are used to and write some tools for that |
| 08:44.55 | ph00 | btw, this is a funny way to learn stuff |
| 08:45.06 | troubled | ph00: what you gonna, portscan him back and alert him that he has your attn? |
| 08:45.08 | scuq_ | hi, can someone help me with a ejabberd cluster on a debian? the ejabber howto section for clustering ends up in a crash_dump |
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| 08:45.33 | troubled | ph00: it works, just be careful, isp/police monitor more and more each day. And their tech only gets better |
| 08:46.03 | holycow | well they already collect ALL data |
| 08:46.09 | enouf | Arafangion: I'm not ignoring - I just don't know - if, or when if anything even remotely possibly useful comes to mind, I'll speak up |
| 08:46.16 | holycow | this conversation is recorded as is every cell phone call every email every fax |
| 08:46.22 | troubled | holycow: which data now? |
| 08:46.36 | holycow | echelon was built to string a net around all data networks |
| 08:46.41 | holycow | they have access to everything |
| 08:46.47 | holycow | police regular drop snoop boxes at isps |
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| 08:46.54 | holycow | etc. |
| 08:47.11 | troubled | holycow: no doubt there. intentional on my part. An attempt to alert others of my stance and hope a team picks me to help in the fight |
| 08:47.17 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm thinking that I'm forced to delete Debian and install Ubuntu on this laptop. |
| 08:47.20 | troubled | being OSS/linux team |
| 08:47.27 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm having trouble with fglrx as well. |
| 08:47.30 | holycow | troubled, any data that is transmitted and easily captured such as broadcast signals of any kind is sifted through |
| 08:47.31 | holycow | all of it |
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| 08:47.49 | holycow | anything going through pipes via telcos ... well we know what the outcome of some of that was in the states recently |
| 08:47.53 | ph00 | no, I'm not gonna portscan him back, I'm going to write down his IP, wait a couple of hours (or days) and then try to attack him thru tor, maybe some using three or four different servers ...if I succed in setting that up. That shouldn't cause any damagem only freak him out a bit |
| 08:47.58 | troubled | holycow: ive noticed that RF is a big thing. |
| 08:48.13 | holycow | you only have a handfull of majour companies controlling all trunks, you just need to access those and thats not a huge deal for the right agencies |
| 08:48.37 | holycow | ph00, you shouldn't be discussing this on irc |
| 08:48.38 | troubled | holycow: I now feel stupid in thinking that anything done on a pc is safe, net connected or otherwise |
| 08:48.41 | holycow | and implicating any of us |
| 08:48.49 | holycow | pls keep it to your self |
| 08:48.57 | holycow | consider all irc traffic scanned as well |
| 08:49.02 | ph00 | It's someone fromUS, he's using bellsouth |
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| 08:49.13 | troubled | ph00: a real hacker knows a port scan means nothing if the system is secure |
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| 08:49.24 | ph00 | why the hell should I be intresting for someone who lives 5000 miles away? |
| 08:49.27 | Arafangion | enouf: YAY! |
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| 08:49.34 | troubled | ph00: if they know you dont posses the ability to even get past a firewall, they probably shrug you off |
| 08:49.36 | holycow | troubled, well if you have a crt monitor you can stand outside the users building and read what is on their monitor for example |
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| 08:49.37 | scuq_ | hi, can someone help me with a ejabberd cluster on a debian? the ejabber howto section for clustering ends up in a crash_dump |
| 08:49.42 | Arafangion | enouf: fglrx works, now to fix the crap with ieee80211 |
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| 08:49.56 | troubled | holycow: yes, and tv and lcd too probably. |
| 08:49.57 | AndroidData | um |
| 08:49.59 | DocOC | a real hacker would be attacking you from a system that he already compromized, so attacking back only victimizes someone he has already made into a victim. |
| 08:50.10 | holycow | i donno about lcd |
| 08:50.28 | ph00 | hm... yes. that makes sense |
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| 08:50.32 | montoya | can I find a program with I translate a html file in a pdf file (html to pdf)? |
| 08:50.35 | montoya | or chm to pdf? |
| 08:50.50 | troubled | holycow: I feel like I have a better understanding now of it all. ANY signal must be interceptable. Just requires closer proximity, better mroe sensitive gear, better attenas etc |
| 08:50.52 | streuner | montoya: cups-pdf |
| 08:51.15 | holycow | troubled, thats pretty much it |
| 08:51.19 | montoya | yes, but the problem is I have 100 file html |
| 08:51.20 | troubled | holycow: its all about the math of calculating the noise i figure |
| 08:51.21 | ph00 | lyx? |
| 08:51.24 | Arafangion | enouf: Is that error I had with ieee80211 a problem with my configuration and m-a, or the script itself? |
| 08:51.29 | holycow | yawp |
| 08:51.50 | troubled | holycow: once you perfect the math, the speed of the xmission doesnt matter, only the speed of the computer processing it. |
| 08:51.56 | AndroidData | hi. we're a bit paranoid here since the last employee we had executed "sudo rm -rf /*" on accident, killing our main server. we've got someone else; now I want to give that person access to the "chmod", "chown" and "passwd" commands for management (tech. support). how do I limit these commands so they can't be used on root, androiddata nor ian (admin users whos passwords should be protected; pretty much eveyrone not in the "users" group) and h |
| 08:51.57 | ph00 | problem is, *why* is he portscanning me in the first place? |
| 08:52.16 | holycow | troubled, *nod* thtas how i see it too |
| 08:52.19 | troubled | holycow: but when people like us start to understand, we become serious and creditable threats |
| 08:53.00 | enouf | Arafangion: fwiw - I don't think it's good to mix gcc versions, especially for compiling - I think i recall ppl removing the wrong /lib/modules/`uname -r`(or something to that effect - maybe it's just a gcc++ versioning conflict) .._BUT_, do NOT act on that -- look into it maybe - this is what I have installed on (month old) Sid (not updated) 'dpkg -l gcc' ii gcc 4.1.1-5 The GNU C compiler |
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| 08:53.07 | holycow | not really |
| 08:53.11 | troubled | holycow: you know, i opened up my logitech keyboard one day. Surprised, the attena was simply a small thing say 24awg wire running along the top of it. thats it |
| 08:53.18 | holycow | i mean i don't know but i don't think they care |
| 08:53.27 | holycow | they hear all sorts of speculation from all sorts of nuts |
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| 08:53.34 | troubled | holycow: well, not til you use it for bad things i guess |
| 08:53.37 | AndroidData | um |
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| 08:54.15 | troubled | AndroidData: ? something to add about rf? |
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| 08:55.34 | DocOC | AndroidData: you can contol that right from /etc/sudoers. man sudoers. |
| 08:55.38 | Arafangion | What are the gotcha's involved in having BOTH sarge and etch in apt sources? |
| 08:55.52 | troubled | holycow: I really gotta send you this electronic warfare ebook I got. all about radar and math and cool stuff. way beyond my comprehension level, but every read sheds some light |
| 08:56.03 | AndroidData | um |
| 08:56.17 | holycow | sure |
| 08:56.27 | AndroidData | well all I want to do is give access to commands like chmod and chown and limit those to the /var/www/users/* directories, and give access to passwd which only works on users; not admins |
| 08:56.38 | pod-more | cydork, DocOC: i wrote ldconfig and locales manually with the content "#!/bin/bash".. seems to work :D |
| 08:56.52 | ph00 | looks like he's done now. no active connections on that IP but I don't think he would use the same IP to portscan and try to get access (and why would he do that anyway?) |
| 08:57.02 | cydork | pod-more, hhehe :) |
| 08:57.35 | pod-more | cydork: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3566 |
| 08:58.00 | cydork | !prize pod-more |
| 08:58.08 | pod-more | ;) |
| 08:58.59 | enouf | Arafangion: not much unless you have an apt_preferences file and/or apt.conf altering the default behavior (IIRC) .. you can always use 'apt-cache policy <packagename>' to show what's the dealio -- members generally frown upon screenshots of logfiles - so better to 'apt-get install gpm' and use a pastebin site for posting logs |
| 08:59.02 | AndroidData | oh I solved it |
| 08:59.12 | AndroidData | I gave sudo access to su to any user except for admins |
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| 08:59.16 | AndroidData | I suppose that'll do the trick |
| 08:59.48 | Arafangion | What is the program that presents you with the questions that apt-get asks you? |
| 08:59.55 | Arafangion | I want to change it from dialog to readline |
| 08:59.56 | holycow | troubled, thats being blocked |
| 09:00.04 | ph00 | hay and what is *this*? one from greece, one from japan, and one from argentine (and at least 10 more) all trying to contact me on port 16318. |
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| 09:00.13 | troubled | holycow: nat dcc issues? |
| 09:00.19 | holycow | yep |
| 09:00.38 | troubled | holycow: hrm, suggestions? |
| 09:00.49 | holycow | looking for online file sharing |
| 09:01.13 | holycow | http://www.uploading.com/ |
| 09:01.19 | holycow | try that maybe |
| 09:01.25 | troubled | need register? |
| 09:01.31 | holycow | dun think so |
| 09:01.38 | troubled | sec |
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| 09:02.28 | enouf | Arafangion: you mean dpkg-reconfigure? that's for reconfiguring certain pacakages - not sure what "dialog to readline" means |
| 09:02.32 | holycow | http://www.sharebigfile.com/ |
| 09:02.43 | holycow | that one seems to be select file and upload and it provides link |
| 09:02.57 | enouf | brb |
| 09:03.04 | DocOC | ph00: that's a new one to me. I can find so service that runs on that port. |
| 09:03.33 | troubled | holycow: 2 sec :) |
| 09:03.48 | Arafangion | enouf: Yes. |
| 09:04.14 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm sick of the crap default. |
| 09:04.27 | Arafangion | (Sorry, after fighting this for 6 hours+, I'm tired) |
| 09:04.27 | cydork | Arafangion, enoug left :P |
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| 09:04.33 | Arafangion | cydork: He'll be back. |
| 09:04.54 | cydork | Arafangion, i just thought you should know coz you were addressing him :P |
| 09:04.59 | ph00 | dococ I'm gonna stop bittorrent and see if those attempts stop, but afaik my torrent client is configured for another port |
| 09:05.39 | cydork | ph00, i dont get 16318 |
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| 09:07.25 | cydork | ph00, i mean you have portsentry installed right then wht's the prob just configure to ingore them :) |
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| 09:07.56 | ph00 | My firewall (firestarter) says that several machines from different parts of the world are trying to contact me on port 16318. Lots of them. And they are still doing that, though I stopped my BitTorrent client |
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| 09:08.22 | syntaxx | what is the command line for screenshot? i forgot =/ |
| 09:08.29 | holycow | it just means they are trying to reconnect |
| 09:08.37 | holycow | the tracker has your ip and they are trying |
| 09:08.40 | ph00 | why should I ignore them? O want to understand why that happens |
| 09:08.43 | holycow | if you can change your external ip |
| 09:09.13 | DocOC | !screenshot |
| 09:09.13 | dpkg | i heard screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 09:09.18 | Arafangion | cydork: See. |
| 09:09.27 | Arafangion | cydork: Looks like he's having connection issues, actually. |
| 09:10.46 | Arafangion | cydork: Out of interest, why don't you allow bittorrent? |
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| 09:11.53 | cydork | Arafangion, it's a educational institute, their policy nothing personal. |
| 09:11.54 | davis | I am trying to get a script to run via cron. I have put the script in my home dir and as root I have created a file in /etc/cron.d to call myscript. I /etc/init.d/cron restart and even /etc/init.d/cron reload but my script is never run. I put it in with @hourly and even 15 * * * * davis /home/davis/bin/doit.sh to see if I can get it to work every 15 minutes. What gives? |
| 09:12.14 | klikklak | bleahh!! Due to problems _mounting_ I've burnt 5 redundant copies! |
| 09:12.27 | Arafangion | cydork: Fair enough. |
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| 09:12.48 | ph00 | btw, I shoyuld burn some suff... |
| 09:12.58 | ph00 | (said emperor Nero...) |
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| 09:14.26 | Mitja | I get "configure: error: gdlib-config not found." before compiling php. I installed php5-gd extension, but it still doesn't work. How do I solve this? |
| 09:15.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:15.13 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:16.09 | Arafangion | davis: So... what's wrong? |
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| 09:17.03 | davis | Arafangion: i put a simple date > datestamp.txt line the in the scrpt. I dont see this file so I disceren the script is not running. |
| 09:18.19 | tarzeau | cydork: to let people know it exists, and encourage them to install it? |
| 09:18.44 | Arafangion | davis: how replacing that line in the script with a smple echo `pwd` > /home/davis/output |
| 09:18.50 | enouf | davis: got an ' /exec ' at the beginning of your script ? looked at /etc/init.d/skeleton ? and /etc/init.d/README, and |
| 09:19.23 | enouf | davis: nevermind .. |
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| 09:19.32 | davis | Arafangion: ok let me try that |
| 09:19.34 | cydork | tarzeau, no problem with me :) |
| 09:19.55 | Arafangion | enouf: I think I'm forced to consider a mixed system :( |
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| 09:20.10 | cydork | !bless Arafangion |
| 09:20.11 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child Arafangion, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 09:20.38 | enouf | cydork: I wondered tarzeau's motives myself but guessed the answer :-p |
| 09:20.52 | enouf | Arafangion ; oh boy |
| 09:20.55 | Arafangion | cydork: Care to give me _any_ other alternative that gives me a recent kernel, xorg, and a whole bunch of other programs that only work on Etch, AND get my damn wireless working? |
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| 09:21.06 | Arafangion | cydork: Which, btw, refuses to work in etch. |
| 09:21.09 | Wood1 | Hi all |
| 09:21.37 | Wood1 | I need to use grep and awk to remove the 20 colums in my squid access.log |
| 09:21.52 | Wood1 | does somebody have any idea about it ? |
| 09:22.09 | klikklak | how can I make machine read again fstab? or are changes to it processed with each new query? |
| 09:22.27 | ootput | besides the changes in userChrome.css, is there a way for me to make the gui font on firefox smaller? |
| 09:23.25 | troubled | holycow: kinda figured you would enjoy a read like that heh |
| 09:23.47 | Arafangion | WHAT? |
| 09:23.50 | holycow | lol well that and i have an addiction to data :) |
| 09:23.57 | Arafangion | enouf: Etch doesn't even have checkinstall? |
| 09:23.59 | troubled | same :) |
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| 09:24.27 | davis | Arafangion: fwiw, I did not get a /home/ddavis/output file atthe scheduled time. |
| 09:24.42 | troubled | holycow: think that was from a /. post in the threads actually |
| 09:24.43 | Arafangion | How do I build a debian package in a trivial mannar? |
| 09:24.51 | azeem | Arafangion: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=checkinstall&archive=no&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
| 09:25.06 | ootput | tarzeau: how exactly does one load that popcon? |
| 09:25.13 | holycow | Arafangion, there is a really great tutorial online for packaging debs |
| 09:25.20 | holycow | you can do it in like 10 seconds |
| 09:25.22 | Arafangion | holycow: url? :) |
| 09:25.27 | ootput | tarzeau: ah, nvm |
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| 09:25.45 | holycow | drop a file ina folder, run scripts done .. or course it won't be debian quality |
| 09:26.07 | Arafangion | azeem: Did you happen to see the word "unreproducible"? :) |
| 09:26.08 | holycow | Arafangion, i'm just telling you online :) i don't feel like googling :) when you find it you will know you are looking at it |
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| 09:26.31 | Arafangion | holycow: The easiest way to build a debian package is via checkinstall. |
| 09:27.11 | ootput | if it's re, then you'd need irre |
| 09:27.13 | troubled | 10 seconds to package? wow that work on kernel compile too? :) |
| 09:27.23 | holycow | post compile :) |
| 09:27.36 | holycow | it just means you don't do everything debian docs tell you to do manually |
| 09:28.04 | davis | man you won't believe this. I put the crontab file in /etc/cron.d using a name like this foo.sh and it was skipped. I changed the name to foo and it now works. |
| 09:28.28 | troubled | davis: missing the shebang |
| 09:28.36 | troubled | !shebang |
| 09:28.36 | dpkg | [shebang] the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use |
| 09:28.52 | troubled | davis: nm, that would be backwards lol, nm |
| 09:29.24 | troubled | davis: curious, was it missing +x or did you really just name it? |
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| 09:30.42 | ph00 | I'm running etch and I installed it by doing dist-upgrade. now, eachtime I install something, the output talks about *hundreds* of packages being hold back and not upgraded. do I want to run dist-upgrade again? |
| 09:30.52 | Arafangion | holycow: I can't find any 10-second guides. |
| 09:30.59 | enouf | Arafangion ; if you really need to - then use something like 'apt-get install -t unstable <package>' (see man apt-preferences), or use aptitude from the command line perhaps - ..so you confine only certain packages from the unstable repos . In your situation, I'd always run 'apt-get -s install <packagename>' to "simulate" what's about to occur BEFORE it actually does/can - just know you WILL most likely run into dependency issues and broken |
| 09:30.59 | enouf | packages, and if you do so, help from others (much more experienced than I, is generally 'not available' since Sid/unstable requires a 'fix it yourself' or don't do it at all) -- why not wait a few days and keep hanging around here, and the other debian channel on oftc.net : perhaps post to newsgroup lists too. |
| 09:31.52 | enouf | Arafangion: bottom line - it's 'you made your bed, now sleep in it' ...so be warned! |
| 09:32.07 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm fine with that. THe reason why I've been so annoyed today is because this is simply impossible to do so while _staying_ in the etch distro. |
| 09:32.32 | cydork | ph00, you can, it will install all the held back packages. |
| 09:32.32 | Arafangion | enouf: I have downgraded sid to sarge, so I do know some of those issues. |
| 09:32.45 | enouf | Arafangion: Understandable - take a breather and cool off (for more than 5 minutes - hehehe) |
| 09:33.11 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm thinking of migrating to fbsd. |
| 09:33.40 | enouf | Arafangion: Impatience is not a good quality IMHO ;-) |
| 09:33.42 | Arafangion | enouf: As I'm not looking forward to using Sid again. |
| 09:33.50 | enouf | Arafangion: Impatience is not a good quality IMHO ;-) |
| 09:33.54 | davis | troubled: the file in /etc/cron.d does not have a #!/bin/sh nor is it +x. Its a time template. the filethat it is scheduled to call does thave the #!/bin/sh and is +x. |
| 09:33.57 | enouf | Arafangion: whoops |
| 09:34.07 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm a full time student, why should I waste two _DAYS_ trying to get a trivial wifi driver to work? |
| 09:34.18 | enouf | Arafangion: I didn't know you ever did use Sid |
| 09:34.24 | Arafangion | enouf: (Slight exageration, it's only really been about 7 hours or so) |
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| 09:34.50 | holycow | Arafangion, i can't find it either now |
| 09:34.51 | cydork | davis, scripts in cron.d are not acutal shell scripts so they wont have she bang |
| 09:34.51 | holycow | sorry |
| 09:35.00 | troubled | davis: confusing with standard run-parts dir I guess,sec gonna check |
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| 09:35.39 | Arafangion | enouf: Alternative, I might jump the gun, and just put Ubuntu back on it. It _works_ with my hardware, which is more than I can say for Etch. |
| 09:35.48 | troubled | davis: duh, forgot about cron shouldnt need. but perhaps it skipped it because of the .sh I guess *shrug* |
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| 09:36.12 | holycow | Arafangion, you are kinda misunderstanding debian i think |
| 09:36.14 | ph00 | found on portsentry.conf "# Un-comment these if you are really anal" (a list of ports follows" ==> what do they mean by *anal*?!? |
| 09:36.17 | troubled | i should have known better. A sign its getting late and the brain is slowing down lol |
| 09:36.24 | Arafangion | holycow: What makes you say that? |
| 09:36.28 | holycow | ubuntu includes a whole bunch of stuff debian really wouldn't |
| 09:36.35 | enouf | Arafangion: Learning experience..? tshooting skills ? pragmatecism and a worldly understanding ? [D] all of the above ? |
| 09:36.36 | cydork | ph00, have too much holes ;) |
| 09:36.37 | liable | Arafangion: threatining to use other distros isnt a good way to get help.. most here couldn't care less if you want to use ubuntu |
| 09:37.02 | holycow | thus if you are using latest ubuntu stable you are essentially using debian unstable ... if testing/unstable doesn't work chances are its because something isn't included in debian |
| 09:37.12 | troubled | holycow: whats so special about ubuntu if it just uses debian apt anyways? aside from diff package versions |
| 09:37.15 | holycow | usually for policy reasons |
| 09:37.18 | Arafangion | holycow: Sarge appears to work with my wifi, though I haven't tested it, but I know that my particular ati graphics card needs xorg, and for various other reasons I need a minimum of Etch. |
| 09:37.24 | ph00 | sometimes geek humor is *really* weird... |
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| 09:37.25 | enouf | ph00: maintainers sense of humor - hehehe |
| 09:37.30 | liable | troubled: they have highly patched kernels for one |
| 09:37.39 | Arafangion | holycow: I know from personal experience that Ubuntu is more relaible than Sid. |
| 09:37.48 | liable | troubled: that support a lot of things out of the box, that debian wont |
| 09:37.49 | holycow | troubled, nothing, they do include lots of firmware and drivers and such that i haven't seen in debian mostly, things mayb have changed tho |
| 09:37.55 | holycow | Arafangion, ah in that case, well yes |
| 09:38.02 | holycow | sid will never be stasble |
| 09:38.02 | holycow | ever |
| 09:38.16 | holycow | its only meant by developers for developers |
| 09:38.19 | holycow | its not meant to be used |
| 09:38.28 | Arafangion | holycow: Isn't that experimental? ;) |
| 09:38.41 | Arafangion | (The debian version that nobody talks about) |
| 09:38.42 | holycow | on the other hand, mark shuttleworth spends 10 million per year to freeze off of unstable and POLISH and DEBUG MANUALLY |
| 09:38.46 | holycow | catch my drift? |
| 09:38.53 | Arafangion | holycow: Yet, it *WORKS*. |
| 09:38.53 | holycow | actually no its sid |
| 09:39.01 | holycow | the only debian versio nyou should be using is stable |
| 09:39.02 | troubled | sid was the unstable kid and always will be :) |
| 09:39.07 | holycow | any other comparison is quite frankly stupid |
| 09:39.11 | cydork | Arafangion, how do you know about it's existance?? ;) |
| 09:39.14 | holycow | Arafangion, your just lucky thats all |
| 09:39.21 | holycow | its an unrealistic expectation of sid however |
| 09:39.30 | troubled | liable: curious, any special patches? or just stuff like debian does compared to vanilla? |
| 09:39.31 | Arafangion | cydork: My local LUG, attended by various debian managers and samba programmers, tells me. |
| 09:39.44 | liable | go fucking use ubuntu and stop bitching already |
| 09:39.44 | holycow | Arafangion, i strongly urge understanding debian a little bit better it will make your life much easier |
| 09:39.52 | Arafangion | holycow: Stable doesn't work effectively on my hardware. |
| 09:40.03 | holycow | Arafangion, then you haveto wait for the NEXT stable |
| 09:40.06 | cydork | liable, cool down. have beer |
| 09:40.10 | cydork | !beer liable |
| 09:40.11 | holycow | using testing or unstable is NOT acceptable |
| 09:40.17 | Arafangion | holycow: So, what do I do in the meantime? |
| 09:40.22 | holycow | especially not ACCEPTABLE to expect them to work |
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| 09:40.38 | holycow | Arafangion, you do what all of us do, wait, or get another distro ... depends on your needs and time lines |
| 09:40.54 | holycow | debians strengths are QUALITY CONTROL and STABILITY |
| 09:41.01 | holycow | the price for those is SPEED OF RELEASES |
| 09:41.19 | Arafangion | holycow: It's stupid to just pack up a laptop you need, and put it under your bed until the next year or so until a new Debian release comes out, so I'll probably stick Ubuntu onto it. |
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| 09:41.39 | ph00 | btw I tried to launch the portsentry daemon but I got some error (the prompt did'n go to next line, it followed the command. After install, I had to apt-get update and then install libjcode-pm-perl_2.03-1_i386.deb because it couldn't be fetched when installing portsentry with all the needed stuff. And when the configure portsentry dialogue appeared, after hitting the first "forward" I didn't get any more questions, it simply disappeared without s |
| 09:41.39 | ph00 | aying "done" or needing to hit "finish" or anything. What do I need top do to get it going? |
| 09:41.44 | holycow | Arafangion, no, its stupid to run unstable software and expect it to RUN LIKE STABLE SOFTWARE |
| 09:41.47 | holycow | see what i'm saying? |
| 09:41.52 | holycow | debian doesn't care what your needs are |
| 09:42.05 | holycow | it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to do your research and pick the right solution for you |
| 09:42.08 | holycow | i'm not being mean |
| 09:42.14 | Arafangion | holycow: I'm fine with that. |
| 09:42.21 | holycow | :) cool i really do mean to be nice |
| 09:42.36 | troubled | ph00: the "cool" stuff usually never works out of the box without editing conf files in debian :) |
| 09:42.36 | holycow | Arafangion, if you need the latest and greatest NOW, yeah use ubuntu |
| 09:42.44 | Arafangion | holycow: Still, after 7 damn hours of fighting with the beast, one expects some small result. |
| 09:42.52 | holycow | it basically is debian unstable with THE MONEY to actually debug most of it for a fairly solid release |
| 09:42.59 | troubled | ph00: start with man command, i guess and look in etc for a conf to read/edit |
| 09:42.59 | holycow | Arafangion, *nod* |
| 09:43.12 | holycow | Arafangion, please again allow me to point to $10 000 000 |
| 09:43.15 | holycow | thats per year |
| 09:43.30 | holycow | that is what costs mark shuttleworth to get ubuntu polished up every 6 months |
| 09:43.33 | holycow | do you have that kind of money? |
| 09:43.35 | Arafangion | holycow: Yet they can't even perform decent upgrades. |
| 09:43.38 | cydork | Arafangion, people should understand that debian only has one distro, and it's best when it's stable. Testing and Unstable might break |
| 09:43.39 | holycow | if not don't expect it to be easy |
| 09:43.39 | Emiml | hello |
| 09:43.40 | troubled | nice -p 10 holycow |
| 09:43.51 | holycow | unstable is meant by developers for developers |
| 09:43.53 | holycow | NOT FOR USERS |
| 09:43.53 | Arafangion | cydork: I'm fine with it breaking sometimes. |
| 09:43.57 | troubled | err -n! my dumb |
| 09:44.03 | Arafangion | cydork: I'll fix it. |
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| 09:44.15 | holycow | Arafangion, they do pretty damned well considering the workload. don't be too hard on them |
| 09:44.28 | holycow | FINALLY we got that kind of support, please don't spoil it :) |
| 09:44.34 | holycow | btw, mark is a dd |
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| 09:44.45 | troubled | holycow: hell, even I wont use sid, thats gotta say something :) |
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| 09:44.51 | Arafangion | holycow: To be fair, as discussed ages ago, the 6-month-release cycle probably ruins them. |
| 09:44.52 | holycow | troubled, lol :) |
| 09:44.56 | holycow | troubled, indeed me too |
| 09:45.12 | Arafangion | troubled: I've used Sid for years, even I won't return to Sid. |
| 09:45.12 | cydork | troubled, i used to use sid, but nowdays i use etch too :) |
| 09:45.19 | holycow | Arafangion, lol well i disagree with you, you are bieng entirely too self serving with both of yoru position |
| 09:45.29 | holycow | you want debian unstable 'to just work' but you don't have 10 mil to spend |
| 09:45.29 | Arafangion | holycow: How so? |
| 09:45.34 | slon` | I'll find out |
| 09:45.42 | holycow | you want someone else to spend 10 mil and at the slightest bug you cry 'no fair' |
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| 09:45.47 | holycow | yet youdidn't pay for anything |
| 09:45.50 | troubled | holycow: mind you, until testing goes stable, there isnt much of a diff between the two is there. Albeit a slight delay in getting the version to etch form sid (well, cept during a package freeze) |
| 09:45.50 | enouf | ph00 : more humor - do a 'cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst | tail -48' first line exposed says "# I'm going to get in so much shit for this..." hehehe |
| 09:45.53 | holycow | who are you to complain again? |
| 09:45.55 | holycow | seriously :) |
| 09:46.05 | Arafangion | holycow: I do expect to see something that works in BOTH stable, and unstable, to at the very least _exist_ in testing. |
| 09:46.06 | ph00 | troubled> ph00: start with man command ==> a nice way to say rtfm? :) |
| 09:46.13 | cydork | holycow, i used to try and fix bugs, and file bug reports but now i dont have time :P |
| 09:46.23 | holycow | Arafangion, *wrong again* |
| 09:46.25 | holycow | sorry dude |
| 09:46.30 | Arafangion | holycow: And if it doesn't, I expect that it be POSSIBLE to use the stable version of said utility, or backport the sid version of said utility. |
| 09:46.31 | troubled | ph00: well ya :) just getting you into the routine in a generic way |
| 09:46.33 | ph00 | anyway, I was looking at the conf file, that's where I saw that weird anal thing |
| 09:46.45 | holycow | Arafangion, i am dissapointed you feel that way. maybe sleep on it a bit and think about what i said |
| 09:47.03 | holycow | you might feel better the next day and perhaps understand you are completely unreasonable in your expectations |
| 09:47.15 | holycow | Arafangion, again *wrong* |
| 09:47.20 | holycow | you have no right to expect anything |
| 09:47.25 | holycow | if you want something done, do what i do |
| 09:47.33 | holycow | get your cold hard cash out and pay a dev to do it |
| 09:47.36 | holycow | thats what i do |
| 09:47.45 | Arafangion | holycow: I am a programme.r |
| 09:47.46 | troubled | Arafangion: think of sid as a public beta test. dont expect anything :) |
| 09:47.46 | holycow | i just spent over 1k on some work on a web dev platform. |
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| 09:47.51 | holycow | Arafangion, woot! |
| 09:47.54 | ph00 | enouf yes I notied some funny stuff a bit here and there. btw, the guy who invented that "moo" thing mush have somked something funny that day |
| 09:47.58 | holycow | :) wicked, in that case roll up your sleeves |
| 09:48.00 | troubled | Arafangion: you program for a living? |
| 09:48.03 | ph00 | noticed |
| 09:48.05 | Arafangion | troubled: Not yet. :( |
| 09:48.18 | troubled | Arafangion: then you program, your not a programmer :) |
| 09:48.18 | holycow | Arafangion, if you are a programmer then i will take it you are making purely technical statements and not value judgements |
| 09:48.20 | ph00 | np |
| 09:48.33 | holycow | i try to stand up to people dissing on debian on value judgements :) |
| 09:48.40 | ph00 | troubled np, that's more or less what I was doing anyway |
| 09:48.41 | troubled | ph00: apt-get moo? |
| 09:48.52 | ph00 | do that... |
| 09:49.04 | Arafangion | troubled: As soon as I finish uni, I'll be programming for a living. |
| 09:49.05 | troubled | ph00: i know alreadyhehe, neat easter egg |
| 09:49.15 | ph00 | that got me to laugh alone like an idiot for half an hour... |
| 09:49.31 | holycow | Arafangion, btw, i do welcome you to debian :) |
| 09:49.41 | troubled | Arafangion: you even start programming yet in class? curious what they are shovelling down your throats these days |
| 09:49.53 | Arafangion | holycow: I think very little beats Debian, especially for servers. |
| 09:49.56 | holycow | .net c# and java, am i right? |
| 09:50.00 | Arafangion | troubled: Programming at uni is a _joke_. |
| 09:50.02 | holycow | Arafangion, yep me too |
| 09:50.30 | troubled | ph00: ya, i love the moo jokes. just wish they could track the origin of it all |
| 09:50.36 | Arafangion | troubled: I primarily program in Python, with a bit of C (I know both fluently). |
| 09:50.54 | holycow | Arafangion, i only use ubuntu on desktop because i have come to the conclusion i just don't have the resources to polish up the desktop experience to where i need it |
| 09:51.00 | Arafangion | troubled: At uni, we do ASP.NET crap with servers that don't even give us the neccessary access to see the debug output. |
| 09:51.01 | holycow | thankfully someone decided to spend some money |
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| 09:51.06 | troubled | Arafangion: python? interpreted isnt it? |
| 09:51.07 | holycow | i hope he figures out a way to make moneyh off it |
| 09:51.22 | Arafangion | troubled: It's bytecode compiled. |
| 09:51.31 | Arafangion | troubled: Like Java, it interprets the bytecode. |
| 09:51.47 | troubled | Arafangion: well, guess thats not too bad. still faster than parsing ascii |
| 09:52.09 | troubled | Arafangion: whats so special about python anyways? heavy OO? |
| 09:52.20 | Arafangion | holycow: To be fair, Etch is doing great on this laptop, except for a certain, very popular, supported-by-linux wifi network card. |
| 09:52.52 | Arafangion | troubled: Clean, simple, fast-enough, and it's an excellent glue language. Need to use a .net module? No problem, need to use something written in C? no problem, C++? Sure. |
| 09:52.52 | holycow | lol :) |
| 09:52.59 | holycow | Arafangion, dude i completely understand |
| 09:53.15 | holycow | i guess as a student its not fair for me to suggest to buy another one :) |
| 09:53.25 | holycow | but thats what i do |
| 09:53.31 | Arafangion | holycow: No, especially if it's supported by Linux proper. |
| 09:53.48 | Arafangion | *installs ubuntu* |
| 09:54.01 | holycow | i had one wifi card work under dapper beta, but stopped working under dapper final ... so it was cheaper to buy a new one for $35 than spend an hour fidling with it |
| 09:54.56 | ph00 | one hour of (sitting) work not worth 35$?!? you must be a rich guy... |
| 09:55.09 | Arafangion | holycow: I'm alittle annoyed with linux in general with respect to wifi. |
| 09:55.24 | Arafangion | holycow: the bsd's have better support for wifi. |
| 09:55.30 | holycow | how is it linux's fault that hardware companies wont release drivers |
| 09:55.32 | holycow | or specs? |
| 09:55.35 | holycow | actually you know what? |
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| 09:55.42 | holycow | companies CANNOT release drivers as open source |
| 09:55.48 | Arafangion | holycow: Read what I said. |
| 09:55.50 | holycow | the fcc in the states forbids it |
| 09:55.53 | Arafangion | holycow: The BSD's support it. |
| 09:56.05 | holycow | sure bsds do lots of things better than linux |
| 09:56.07 | Arafangion | holycow: Specifically, FreeBSD. |
| 09:56.18 | holycow | well there is a reason your using linux :) |
| 09:56.20 | holycow | and we both know why |
| 09:56.21 | holycow | hehe |
| 09:56.30 | Arafangion | holycow: I'm married to apt :( |
| 09:56.41 | holycow | lol 'zactly |
| 09:56.44 | Arafangion | holycow: Though, I must say, I rather like my OpenBSD server. |
| 09:57.00 | Arafangion | Hmm, Ubuntu's already working. |
| 09:57.32 | ph00 | ubuntu is easier to get going, yes, but debian is way cooler |
| 09:57.55 | Arafangion | ph00: Agreed, except that I've just spent hte last 7 hours trying to get Debian to work with my laptop. |
| 09:58.10 | ph00 | what to I need to install to make file roller rar-compatible? |
| 09:58.27 | Arafangion | ph00: Probably some kind of rar program. |
| 09:58.29 | cydork | ph00, you have unrar?? |
| 09:58.47 | holycow | just install rar and unrar |
| 09:58.50 | ph00 | arafangion, took me a couple of days and at least 5 installs on my 3-years old desktop... |
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| 09:59.01 | ph00 | rar and unrar |
| 09:59.02 | ph00 | k |
| 09:59.34 | Arafangion | ph00: Were you a long-time debian user at that point? |
| 09:59.35 | ph00 | bbl |
| 09:59.57 | musasabi | How do I remove a package (portmap) that does not want to get removed? "apt-get remove --purge portmap" says that it is in an inconsistent state and I should reinstall it, but "install --reinstall portmap" just hangs when running the scripts. |
| 10:00.13 | cydork | Arafangion, i still remember potato's installer :) |
| 10:00.19 | Arafangion | musasabi: Depends on the situation. |
| 10:00.37 | cydork | Arafangion, that was my first encounter with linux |
| 10:00.45 | Arafangion | cydork: I didn't have a problem with potato's installer, though, Obsd's installer took a few attempts. |
| 10:00.53 | troubled | well guys, i think my brain is fried for the night, its been fun |
| 10:01.11 | musasabi | Arafangion: what kind of extra information would help? (it is a sid machine) |
| 10:01.14 | troubled | holycow: cya around, and enjoy the read. good times tonight heh :) |
| 10:01.16 | Arafangion | cydork: My first linux encounter was Redhat (Can't remember if it was 5, 6, or 7, but damn it was awful) |
| 10:01.20 | holycow | later dude |
| 10:01.22 | troubled | l8r |
| 10:01.43 | Arafangion | musasabi: Sid is an art. |
| 10:02.08 | musasabi | Using dpkg does not help either. |
| 10:02.15 | cydork | musasabi, check bts |
| 10:02.18 | Arafangion | musasabi: An art I no-longer have time for, suffice to say, yes, I could just tell you to use --force-yes, blah blah blah, but chances are, you'll have more painful ramications if you do that. |
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| 10:04.45 | Arafangion | musasabi: THe minimum research you should do is to find out exactly why it's not uninstalling properly, and fix it. |
| 10:06.01 | musasabi | prerm script blocks, which is related to a network interface being down. Seems that artificially saying "ifconfig foobar dummy_settings up" fixes it. |
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| 10:11.00 | annonameus | HY |
| 10:11.05 | annonameus | my name is Laci |
| 10:11.11 | annonameus | do you speak hungary? |
| 10:11.20 | annonameus | hali |
| 10:11.22 | annonameus | laci vagyok |
| 10:11.26 | annonameus | tud valaki magyarul? |
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| 10:11.42 | holycow | no one speaks hungarian |
| 10:11.54 | holycow | askyour question if you need to know something about debian in english |
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| 10:18.22 | Madeye | guys, I want to run debian server on my home box/adsl so I want to run it with static IP which I have; How can I make it run with static instead of DHCP? which config files should I play with |
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| 10:20.48 | Nikolay | Hi all. I use firefox for web surfing, but if I try to copy some text, firefox put into clipboard hexadecimal unicode characters (\uXXXX). What is the true way to conwert this to UTF8 (or any other binary encoding)? |
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| 10:23.57 | peter_ | Madeye: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:24.53 | Madeye | thanks dude |
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| 10:26.02 | MOSes | I have a question: what filesystem would you recommend me: ext2 or ext3? (not as boot device) |
| 10:27.23 | aidan | mcgreg: the latest one |
| 10:27.33 | mcgreg | so, ext3? |
| 10:27.42 | aidan | mcgreg: are you doing something special that may require ext2? |
| 10:27.46 | eastwood | ext3 |
| 10:27.58 | eastwood | or xfs |
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| 10:28.07 | dark_light | i have a broken package but i want to mantain it installed, how can i configure aptitude to mantain it? |
| 10:28.09 | eastwood | or reiserfs |
| 10:28.10 | mcgreg | no. infact I am killing on old partition and want to use the new partition as "home/users*" |
| 10:28.32 | holycow | any journaling system will typically be fine |
| 10:28.36 | war95 | How do I disable services via runlevels in Debian? update-rc.d -f setserial remove <- However, it will come back if the package is upgraded during an apt-get upgrade, is there anyway to make this permanent? |
| 10:28.47 | holycow | you only need to worry about which one if you have some special case needs |
| 10:29.33 | dark_light | war95, i think the package has a post-installation script that enables it :( |
| 10:30.28 | war95 | damn |
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| 10:33.27 | row | mcgreg: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 10:35.58 | row | ah lol |
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| 10:38.37 | liable | war95: try sysvconfig |
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| 10:40.43 | dark_light | there is no way to keep a package with broken dependencies? :( |
| 10:41.24 | azeem | dark_light: you can fake the dependency (if one is missing) via equivs |
| 10:41.50 | dark_light | hmm |
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| 10:50.41 | dark_light | azeem, thanks! |
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| 10:58.36 | mcgreg | is it possible to fade up (make invisible) folder for user which they dont have access in konqueror? |
| 10:59.13 | mcgreg | or special folder where ONLY root has access to? |
| 11:00.57 | mcgreg | I meant fade out of course |
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| 11:03.55 | ph00 | using names that start with . (dot)? |
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| 11:04.39 | ph00 | but it takes only one setting modification for the user to make it visible again... |
| 11:04.46 | mcgreg | ok. thepoint is, I mounted partition at /home/ ... there I have th new user. everything is fine. I just would like to fade out lost+found folder |
| 11:05.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xfe' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.50 | mcgreg | and I dont think removing lost+found from that point would be good, right? |
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| 11:10.42 | liable | no, lost and found is for your file system |
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| 11:13.16 | mcgreg | what I need is something like amode where this folder is completely hidden from all users except root |
| 11:15.34 | rox | mcgreg: if you set it at sometzhing like 700, it will apeare in listing of parent directory, but others then root won't be able to list it |
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| 11:15.42 | rox | mcgreg: privided that root is the owner |
| 11:16.33 | mcgreg | rox: well, you mean it wont be readable for them or invisble (not there at all) |
| 11:16.58 | mcgreg | as it is not: root only, (read and write), group+other=forbidden |
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| 11:17.07 | mcgreg | not=now |
| 11:17.45 | rox | mcgreg: it will not be readable for others then root (meaning that nobody other then root will be able to cd to that dir), but it will be visible to others in directory listing of parent |
| 11:18.04 | davis | i am still strugling with cron. |
| 11:18.19 | mcgreg | rox: as it is like now. I want to make it completely invisble, that was the point :) |
| 11:18.53 | davis | i did a cron -e and added a line to run a script. I dont see the script running like I did when I put it in /etc/cron.d as root nor do I get an emailof results. |
| 11:19.09 | rox | mcgreg: hmm ... you make it invisible in GUI by prepending its name with a '.' charachter |
| 11:19.14 | davis | do i need to restart cron every time I do a cron -e as a user? |
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| 11:19.44 | rox | davis: no, it should pick up rules on the fly |
| 11:19.44 | mcgreg | rox: I dont think it will be wise when doping that with "lost+found"? :) |
| 11:19.59 | mcgreg | doping=doing |
| 11:20.22 | ph00 | ph00 is out of beer :( |
| 11:20.37 | rox | mcgreg: it seems that i have missed the initial explaination of your problem |
| 11:20.45 | davis | 15 * * * * davis /home/davis/bin/buildcode.sh |
| 11:20.56 | rox | mcgreg: lost+found only apeares on the mountpoint |
| 11:21.06 | mcgreg | rox: ahh ok :) thx for helping anyway :) |
| 11:21.33 | davis | i did that at 12 mins past hour, and /var/spool/cron/crontabs/davis has that line in it, but it does not run. |
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| 11:22.00 | mcgreg | rox: yes, that partiton is my new "/home/user*" |
| 11:22.50 | dhq | i am having problems with k3b and gnomebaker to burn a dvd-r inputoutput error |
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| 11:35.35 | davis | rox how many minutes ahead should I sechedule a cron task? |
| 11:35.49 | davis | can I do it 1 or 2 minutes in future? |
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| 11:41.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:41.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 11:42.12 | tarzeau | davis: yes one minute before is fine |
| 11:42.34 | JMT | Can anyone of you tell me why ftp://ftp.alioth.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian sid main or ftp://ftp.alioth.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/dists sid main doesn't work? |
| 11:42.55 | davis | hmm. i added this and I still dont see it working. |
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| 11:43.10 | tarzeau | davis: you added what? |
| 11:44.13 | davis | 44 * * * * davis echo hello > /tmp/hello.txt |
| 11:44.44 | davis | and i got this |
| 11:44.47 | davis | -rw-rw-r-- 1 davis davis 0 Aug 27 15:44 /tmp/hello.txt |
| 11:45.18 | davis | but /tmp/hello.txt does not contain the word "hello". |
| 11:45.27 | davis | t simply shows ablank line. |
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| 11:53.42 | trellis | hi. I installed debian last night and its working fine, well most of it. How do i get sound to work? the Volume control icon shows a X next to it... |
| 11:54.01 | Guerin | trellis: /msg dpkg alsa for dummies |
| 11:54.06 | Guerin | wait |
| 11:54.08 | trellis | ty |
| 11:54.15 | Guerin | trellis: /msg dpkg alsa for morons |
| 11:54.18 | Guerin | i think that's it |
| 11:54.20 | trellis | :s |
| 11:55.11 | trellis | the instructions are not newbieish, i guess. maybe morons >> newbies. |
| 11:56.01 | azeem | !forget alsa for morons |
| 11:56.01 | dpkg | i forgot alsa for morons, azeem |
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| 12:02.14 | liable | azeem: did you make a new factoid? |
| 12:02.24 | azeem | no |
| 12:02.43 | azeem | 13:48 <dpkg> hmm... alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
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| 12:03.16 | azeem | if that is useful, not covered already and somebody wants to create a less offensive factoid, that'll be great |
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| 12:10.19 | frafra | hi all |
| 12:10.38 | Guerin | !all |
| 12:10.39 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either. |
| 12:11.22 | MannieX | hi all |
| 12:11.25 | MannieX | ^_^ |
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| 12:12.25 | frafra | I use debian etch on my laptop, with xorg 7.1. My card works perfectly (with direct rendering enabled) with ati opensource driver. I've enabled aiglx, installed compiz-vanilla, xorg-air, cgwd. The X server (Xorg-air) works perfectly. When I run compiz --replace it says: compiz.real: Root visual is not a double buffered GL visual. Who could help me? |
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| 12:13.07 | liable | frafra: no-one, because you are using ubuntu packages |
| 12:13.21 | liable | not even official packages |
| 12:13.34 | frafra | liable: does exist a debian-way? |
| 12:13.56 | liable | frafra: unfortunately, no :( |
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| 12:14.05 | frafra | :( |
| 12:14.20 | frafra | so, nobody can use aixgl under debian? |
| 12:14.25 | liable | frafra: try #Xgl |
| 12:14.31 | frafra | thanks |
| 12:14.45 | liable | frafra: i have been trying to compile it for ages and compiz is being a pita |
| 12:14.55 | frafra | :) |
| 12:15.55 | hid3 | Is there any way to stop all daemons logging their log files directly into /var/log/syslog? |
| 12:16.06 | trellis | Anyone here using carroll.aset.psu.edu? it was working, now stopped. Anyone suggest a diff mirror? |
| 12:16.26 | liable | trellis: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 12:16.33 | trellis | ty |
| 12:17.07 | nvz | trellis: linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
| 12:17.13 | liable | hid3: whats the actuall problem? |
| 12:17.15 | trellis | nvz i will, thanks. |
| 12:17.32 | trellis | I dont think the server has a problem. maybe my connection. will wait just a few minutes and try again. |
| 12:17.55 | liable | !hi |
| 12:17.56 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 12:17.57 | hid3 | liable: I'm using bahamut ircd and it logs there, so I'd like other daemon not to pollute the logfile since then I can't read/find the logs made by my ircd |
| 12:18.18 | liable | hid3: cant you get it to log elsewhere? |
| 12:18.32 | hid3 | It doesn't support.. |
| 12:18.42 | hid3 | This is the main problem here |
| 12:19.49 | trellis | nvz ty, the berkeley.edu server is fast :) |
| 12:19.50 | frafra | liable: but is possible use aiglx with an open dri driver? |
| 12:20.01 | nvz | trellis: its Berkeley ffs :P |
| 12:20.11 | liable | frafra: yes, i have aiglx working ok, its just compiz thats the problem |
| 12:20.18 | trellis | :D |
| 12:20.22 | liable | frafra: depends on your card |
| 12:20.24 | nvz | trellis: kernel.org is fast too. they get big servers from HP |
| 12:20.39 | nvz | trellis: there is a debian mirror on mirrors.kernel.org |
| 12:20.44 | frafra | liable: it's an ati mobility p/m, but it works |
| 12:21.02 | trellis | nvz Can i have multiple mirrors in the sources.list file? |
| 12:21.15 | frafra | liable: how do you have installed it? |
| 12:21.17 | liable | frafra: google aiglx, check the gentoo wiki, it shows the supported cards |
| 12:21.33 | liable | frafra: its in experimental, and i have compiled it also |
| 12:21.36 | nvz | trellis: yes, it will take longer to update your cache, but its good to have at least two in case one goes down or something |
| 12:21.48 | trellis | nvz thanks, will do that. |
| 12:21.51 | frafra | liable: without something like xorg-air, compiz packages? |
| 12:21.57 | nvz | trellis: apt will only use the first one it finds the package on unless the next one has a newer version |
| 12:22.27 | liable | frafra: yes, but its a serious pain in the arse |
| 12:22.37 | frafra | no problem, I'm ready |
| 12:23.03 | liable | frafra: go do it then.. :) |
| 12:23.05 | nvz | trellis: maybe someone should consider changing apt to handle simultanious downloads from different servers. it does already do simultanious downloads and can do it from different servers, but only does it when the packages are only available that way.. doesnt do it just to save bandwidth on the servers and improve speeds |
| 12:23.10 | frafra | ok |
| 12:23.14 | frafra | with gentoo way? |
| 12:23.21 | trellis | nvz ok |
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| 12:23.45 | liable | frafra: i will leave it up to you to find the way.. its character building :) |
| 12:23.54 | nvz | bah I really dont want to clean the shower I do enough cleaning at work :P |
| 12:24.37 | liable | nvz: my shower doesnt need cleaning, it gets washed every day! |
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| 12:25.49 | nvz | liable: yeah well I never had that problem before either.. but when I cut my hair and got in there to shower.. the hair apperently clogged up the drain and I left it that way for a few days cause I was disgusted with my luck and started using other people's shower |
| 12:26.11 | nvz | as much as I hate my shower I really need to clean it out |
| 12:26.17 | ootput | filthy shower cubicles are filthy |
| 12:26.22 | liable | frafra: dont forget, you are prtty much on your own, you arent likely to get any help here, or on debian mailing lists either, so dont fuck up your standard libs :) |
| 12:26.33 | ootput | i mean, a great deal of neglect is usually required |
| 12:26.41 | frafra | ok ;) |
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| 12:27.11 | liable | nvz: i dont have the hair clogging problem, i was cursed with the baldness gene many years ago |
| 12:27.39 | liable | frafra: freedesktop.org is a good place to start |
| 12:27.45 | frafra | ok |
| 12:28.20 | nvz | liable: if I would have just let my hair grow I wouldnt have this problem either |
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| 12:28.59 | nvz | but it was just long enough to annoy me.. and growing it out takes so damn long and it doesnt look good when you start.. doesnt look decent until its 12 inches or more |
| 12:29.27 | khanman | this the hair channel? |
| 12:29.38 | liable | khanman: on occasions |
| 12:29.40 | nvz | yep wigs at 12 |
| 12:29.45 | liable | hah |
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| 12:30.23 | ossi | hoi |
| 12:31.19 | ossi | is there *any* *reasonable* way to get rid of the package selections made with dselect without unselecting every friggin' package manually? |
| 12:31.36 | simonrvn | use aptitude :) |
| 12:32.16 | liable | where's jetscreamer when you need him :) |
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| 12:32.48 | Spy_ | How I install a softmodem Lucent V.90? |
| 12:33.13 | streuner_ | Spy_: winmodem? |
| 12:33.20 | nvz | yay cleaned the tub with a toilet brush.. thats how I think about cleaning.. eewww give me a 50ft pole or some dynamite.. |
| 12:33.22 | Spy_ | yes |
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| 12:33.28 | Spy_ | ops... yes winmodem |
| 12:33.34 | streuner_ | Spy_: /msg dpkg winmodem |
| 12:33.54 | liable | Spy_: visit linmodems.org, get scanmodem and if you dont understand the output, ask the list. they are very helpfull |
| 12:34.09 | Spy_ | ok |
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| 12:39.44 | Spy_ | streuner_: How I install the modem slackware? |
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| 12:42.29 | nvz | ah /me make clean |
| 12:42.38 | nvz | I feel better now :P |
| 12:44.14 | Hoxzer | I dont :(, I have terrible headance |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | stop staring at the screen ? |
| 12:44.57 | Hoxzer | abrotman: It was going on when I woke up |
| 12:45.14 | ootput | stop dancing on your head? |
| 12:45.27 | Hoxzer | :P |
| 12:45.33 | liable | wtf is headance? |
| 12:45.44 | ph00 | why are my os scans detecting only solaris machines? I didn't know it was this popular. What kind of boxes are most likely to be running solaris (I'm not doing anything illegal as long as I don't rey to log in/execute commands, in the country where I live) |
| 12:45.58 | ph00 | rey=try* |
| 12:46.08 | Hoxzer | headache but headance sounds cooler |
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| 12:46.12 | ootput | the 'a' and 'h' switched places, and the 'h' was beheaded' |
| 12:46.27 | ootput | er, c |
| 12:47.44 | abrotman | ph00: some places consider a scan to be bad and will report you |
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| 12:48.49 | ph00 | abrotman np I checked the law before doing anything |
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| 12:49.36 | slaq | anyone here run debian on a macbook? |
| 12:49.39 | abrotman | ph00: can you be extradited ? |
| 12:49.56 | liable | abrotman: for running nmap? |
| 12:49.59 | ph00 | I can portscan, I can do almost anything as long as I don't try to actually execute commands, or even gain access to machines I don't own. which is a pretty fair law I think |
| 12:50.04 | abrotman | liable: you'd be shocked |
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| 12:50.23 | abrotman | i don't think ph00 knows what extradited means :) |
| 12:50.24 | liable | abrotman: with bush as the boss, actually i wouldnt :) |
| 12:50.42 | ph00 | extradited? I'm a citizen in the country where I live, and I'm not scanning anything abroad, only local adresses on my side of the NAT |
| 12:51.19 | ph00 | liable, in some country even owning tools like nmap or nessus is illegal :-/ |
| 12:51.49 | ph00 | abrotman, no I was thinking about like depoorted or something. what you mean by extradited |
| 12:52.31 | nvz | ph00: means brought to a country to face charges in that country's legal system |
| 12:52.33 | abrotman | ph00:you do whatever you watn . don't ask for help here |
| 12:52.46 | lodder | how can i see what i have installed on my box ? |
| 12:52.54 | nvz | like saddam hussein |
| 12:53.10 | Dewi | saddam wasn't extradited |
| 12:53.12 | abrotman | lodder: dpkg -l |
| 12:53.17 | lodder | thx abrotman |
| 12:53.20 | Dewi | he's still in iraq isn't he? |
| 12:53.21 | liable | i dont think he was asking for help, just asking what boxen run solaris (as far as i saw it) |
| 12:53.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:53.25 | ph00 | abrotman I told you, I'm not doing illegal stuff, I wouldn't ask questions here if I was |
| 12:53.50 | abrotman | ph00: you can be bunkmates with lunitik |
| 12:54.29 | tralala | lodder: you might like "aptitude search ~i" better |
| 12:54.46 | ph00 | nvz, that's exactly t what I tought it meant. why and *where* should I be extradited for scanning a local network? I'm just scanning my side ogf the NAT, that's perfectly legal in the country where I live |
| 12:54.52 | lodder | tralala: it's already in orde |
| 12:55.08 | abrotman | ph00: if you're on your NAT .. you should know if oyu're urnning solaris |
| 12:55.12 | ph00 | bunkmates? lunitik? |
| 12:55.23 | ph00 | no, it's actually my ISP's NAT |
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| 12:55.35 | ph00 | but my machine sees it as a LAN anyway |
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| 12:55.47 | lodder | is php5 already supported in etch ? |
| 12:56.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:56.08 | syntaxx | can i possibly use ktorrent on debian sarge? or are there any ktorrent in .deb debian packages? cant seem to find it on apt |
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| 12:56.23 | lodder | does there exist and upgrade guide for php4 to php5 |
| 12:56.25 | ph00 | what you mean by "bunkmates with lunitik"? I don't even think that's english |
| 12:56.59 | ph00 | hm... it's not. I mean. I dont' think tjat's even english |
| 12:57.01 | ph00 | h |
| 12:57.03 | liable | ph00: lunitik is a person who is in #debian |
| 12:57.21 | ph00 | and bunkmates? what does that mean? |
| 12:57.22 | abrotman | lodder: maybe ask #php .. but AFAIK .. most stuff that works in 4 works in 5 |
| 12:57.24 | tralala | ph00: /msg dpkg jargon |
| 12:57.57 | lodder | abrotman: yea i know but some one needs it on my server it's for testing purposes |
| 12:58.18 | abrotman | lodder: so use apt-get or aptitude and install it |
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| 12:59.10 | ph00 | well, I actually thought of sometething that *may* be a problem: if I'm doing something that's not illegal where I live, but is *ia* illegal elsewhere, someone could get in trouble for even *talking* about that on a public and well visible channel. I didn't think about that. sorry |
| 12:59.21 | ph00 | I'm gonna ask someone else.... |
| 12:59.21 | pmp | hi all, I have a brand new ASUS u5f laptop - and after some problems of getting the network running at all I have now Debian running - and everything seems to work: My problem the ipw3945-driver requires this strange user-space daemon to work correctly. I followed the instructions given in the README and put something in /etc/modprobe.d/ipw3945 to make the daemon run at module load |
| 12:59.26 | exalted | Hi. Which package should i install to get "gtk-doc" (API Documentation Generator) with Debian unstable? Thank you... |
| 12:59.30 | pmp | this works, but not at boot time |
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| 13:00.16 | tralala | exalted: aptitude search gtk.*doc |
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| 13:00.36 | abrotman | libgtk2.0-doc ? |
| 13:00.36 | pmp | when I do modprobe after booting it works: Is modprobe used at boot time to load modules or not? |
| 13:00.38 | exalted | tralala, i can't find it, can you? |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | exalted: apt-cache search gtk doc |
| 13:00.58 | exalted | abrotman, "-doc$"s are documentation packages... |
| 13:01.05 | abrotman | isn't that what you want? |
| 13:01.10 | tralala | joro@george:~$ aptitude search gtk.*doc | wc -l |
| 13:01.10 | tralala | 27 |
| 13:01.13 | exalted | abrotman, http://www.gtk.org/gtk-doc/ |
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| 13:01.37 | abrotman | libgtk2.0-doc |
| 13:01.43 | exalted | abrotman, GTK-Doc is used to document C code. It is typically used to document the public API of libraries, such as the GTK+ and GNOME libraries, but it can also be used to document application code. |
| 13:01.44 | abrotman | that's my guess |
| 13:01.59 | abrotman | exalted: oh .. you want that tool |
| 13:02.04 | exalted | abrotman, yup |
| 13:02.11 | mcgreg | try to report a bug using reportbug. now, what does "resolved bugs" means? does it mean the bugs has been fixed? |
| 13:02.15 | mcgreg | trying |
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| 13:02.53 | liable | pmp: yeah its a pain in the ass. i ended up making a udev rule for it. |
| 13:03.00 | exalted | mcgreg, yes |
| 13:03.13 | exalted | abrotman, any other guesses? |
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| 13:03.25 | abrotman | i'm looking .. but apt-file shows a lot of stuff |
| 13:03.26 | tralala | exalted: do you have valid debian sources? Is your package DB up-to-date? The command I have you should return plenty of results to work with. |
| 13:04.01 | exalted | tralala, it does return 13 results, but none of'em is gtk-doc (i guess)... |
| 13:04.03 | tralala | *gave |
| 13:04.18 | pmp | liable: hmm, any chance you can provide me that rule? |
| 13:04.29 | liable | pmp: http://liable.mine.nu/debian/thinkpad_T60p.html |
| 13:04.44 | PerfDave | Yay thinkpad |
| 13:04.47 | pmp | liable: merci |
| 13:04.58 | tralala | exalted: you might want to check the package descriptions for the results you have, perhaps this will help you to find what you're looking for. |
| 13:05.12 | liable | pmp: theres a package coming into the repos soon, but afaik they are gonna use an init script to start it |
| 13:05.33 | abrotman | !info gtk-doc-tools etch |
| 13:05.37 | dpkg | gtk-doc-tools: (the GTK+ documentation tools), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 772 kB |
| 13:05.59 | liable | pmp: i have a debian package that kel modderman made that is a little cleaner if you want to try it. (my thinkpad is in for warranty work) |
| 13:06.02 | exalted | tralala, the thing is 12/13 of the resulting packages are "*-doc"s, so none of'em can be a program. The last one is "gtk-doc-tools" which is not "gtk-doc"... |
| 13:06.23 | abrotman | exalted: are you sure .. ti seems to match the description on the gtk site |
| 13:06.40 | pmp | liable: I read that on your site. I'm sorry for you. |
| 13:06.48 | exalted | abrotman, hese tools extract documentation embedded in GNOME source code, and produce |
| 13:06.48 | exalted | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.52 | exalted | hese = these |
| 13:06.56 | syntaxx | im configuring ktorrent from source and i have this configure: error: we need a working libxext to proceed. since configure cant find itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldnt find them either.. i already installed libxext6 and libxext-dev |
| 13:07.03 | abrotman | exalted: right .. |
| 13:07.28 | abrotman | exalted: seems to match the description |
| 13:07.33 | exalted | abrotman, i'll give it a try... |
| 13:07.48 | abrotman | exalted: i mean .. match the one from gtk.org |
| 13:07.59 | abrotman | exalted: if you still can't find it .. ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:08.08 | exalted | abrotman, i see your point; all right, thank you. |
| 13:08.21 | syntaxx | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 13:09.25 | abrotman | syntaxx: no other libs it might be ? |
| 13:10.03 | syntaxx | abrotman, when i search libxext i got these libxext-dev libxext6 libxext6-dbg |
| 13:10.21 | abrotman | syntaxx: is it looking for a certain version ? |
| 13:10.26 | tralala | syntaxx: you'll have to view the configure script and find out how it is verifying for the libext. This should give you a hint what's wrong. |
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| 13:10.47 | abrotman | syntaxx: or you could use a client already in debian :) |
| 13:10.48 | syntaxx | abrotman, no it just said we need a working libXext to proceed |
| 13:11.05 | abrotman | syntaxx: then as tralala suggested .. start reading ;) |
| 13:12.54 | exalted | abrotman, it looks like that was the package that i need; whatta wrong policy by debian team :S |
| 13:12.57 | exalted | abrotman, ty |
| 13:13.22 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | exalted: you're welcome |
| 13:13.42 | syntaxx | abrotman, any suggestion for a nice torrent gui client already in debian? im using rtorrent but its on console |
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| 13:13.55 | abrotman | bttdownload-gui ... |
| 13:14.05 | abrotman | i don't do much torrent stuff .. so i don't know many |
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| 13:14.27 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 13:18.54 | abrotman | syntaxx: apt-cache search might be helpful |
| 13:19.12 | abrotman | there's qtorrent in sarge i think |
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| 13:19.54 | syntaxx | ok thanks a lot |
| 13:20.23 | berndX | hi, how i can find out wich DISPLAY X is using? i need it for: env DISPLAY=:0 xmessage 'hello world!' but this Display doesnt work. |
| 13:20.57 | micky | hello, my tv card is ( 0000:00:10.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP (rev 02)).. and lspci -v says it`s ok.. but there is no device link as /dev/video .. any idea on how / what should i doo to get it there ? |
| 13:21.27 | dvs | micky: load the bt87x kernel module |
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| 13:21.42 | abrotman | loading modules is good! |
| 13:21.50 | Hoxzer | >:E |
| 13:21.53 | dvs | micky: Oops! The bttv module |
| 13:22.08 | micky | insmod bttv ? |
| 13:22.13 | dvs | !insmod |
| 13:22.13 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
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| 13:22.28 | Kthulu | hi |
| 13:22.33 | Kthulu | I have a problem |
| 13:22.38 | Kthulu | a question |
| 13:23.03 | cydork | !ask |
| 13:23.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:23.06 | micky | # /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.o: init_module: No such device |
| 13:23.23 | micky | it`s a cx2388 |
| 13:23.30 | micky | not bt* |
| 13:23.43 | dvs | is that the name of the module? |
| 13:23.56 | micky | cx2388 is the name of the cipset used in the card |
| 13:24.16 | dvs | micky: I don't know the name of the module for that chip |
| 13:25.01 | micky | i'll do a little searchin` :) |
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| 13:25.43 | Kthulu | <cydork> how can I start a program for example xine , or vsftpd , when I restart my debian system , or when it loads the debian OS. For example I have installed from source the vsftpd , and I want what automatically starts when I enter in debianGNU/Linux , how can I do that ? or not just vsftp , if I want to start xmms every time I start my system |
| 13:25.49 | micky | btw i've used this tv tuner before with another distro.. so there is a module for it :) |
| 13:26.14 | abrotman | vsftpd is packaged |
| 13:26.21 | sts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:26.34 | sts | sorry |
| 13:27.21 | liable | micky: but what was the kernel? |
| 13:27.29 | Kthulu | <abrotman> ok but I want to start a program for example xine or whatever when I enter in the debian system |
| 13:27.31 | liable | micky: tey a 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:28.34 | micky | liable the distro was knoppix 3.2 and knoppix 4.0.. not sure about the kernel.. the one i'm using now is 2.4.27-2-386 (default sarge if i'm not wrong) |
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| 13:28.48 | micky | testing or unstable.. not really sure |
| 13:29.07 | cydork | Kthulu, do you use gnome/kde?? you can start programs which you like at startup. |
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| 13:29.58 | Kthulu | <cydork> I'm using gnome , but I don't want to use the session program with the gui interface |
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| 13:30.20 | dvs | micky: I have a cx88xx, cx8800, and cx8802 modules in my build |
| 13:31.17 | micky | dvs none in mine.. i think it`s time for a kernel upgrade :) and recompilation |
| 13:31.37 | dvs | micky: which kernel? |
| 13:32.02 | micky | well now it`s a 2.4.27-2-386 .. and i'm thinking of upgrading to 2.6.latest |
| 13:32.20 | dvs | micky: Ok definitely upgrade. |
| 13:32.40 | micky | i hope it woun`t screw openvpn / squid / samba and a pptpd server :) |
| 13:32.46 | cydork | Kthulu, xmms stands for x multimedia system, if you just want to listen to mp3s you can use mp321 or something. |
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| 13:33.54 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 13:34.03 | Ivka | mpg123 is a console client for mp3's |
| 13:34.23 | dnanar | how to open .tbz2 file please ? |
| 13:34.43 | Ivka | tbz2? |
| 13:34.44 | abdelmounaimjoua | hi dnanar, you can do bunzip2 |
| 13:35.00 | Ivka | is it bz3 fail |
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| 13:35.04 | abdelmounaimjoua | use tar -xvjf |
| 13:35.05 | jfletcher | google how to use bunzip2 dnanar |
| 13:35.19 | cydork | Ivka, /msg dpkg bz2 |
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| 13:35.50 | dnanar | okokokok i didnt at all that .Tbz2 was a bunzip2 archive :) |
| 13:35.57 | abdelmounaimjoua | lvka use tar -xvjf |
| 13:36.06 | Ivka | abdelmounaimjoua, i know what to use |
| 13:36.20 | Ivka | i spoke to dnanar |
| 13:36.20 | abdelmounaimjoua | oops I mean dnanar |
| 13:36.31 | liable | !tell dnanar about tar |
| 13:36.35 | dnanar | ok, thx a lot, i didnt know at all this name for .tar.bz2 archive.. |
| 13:36.51 | Ivka | :) |
| 13:36.57 | Ivka | its simple |
| 13:37.03 | Shadowcat | !blame liable |
| 13:37.06 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 13:37.06 | abdelmounaimjoua | like tgz... |
| 13:37.12 | Ivka | no |
| 13:37.24 | abrotman | there is NO reason to use -v with tar unless you have a good reason |
| 13:37.24 | Ivka | tgz is diferent than tar.gz |
| 13:37.36 | Ivka | tgz is a packet for slackware |
| 13:37.44 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:38.20 | pmp | liable: your udev didn't work for me - only loading the ipw3945 module doesn't bring up eth* - so the rule was never applied |
| 13:38.28 | abrotman | !tgz |
| 13:38.44 | dpkg | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
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| 13:38.49 | Shadowcat | tar zcvf abrotman.tar.gz |
| 13:38.51 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 13:39.04 | Ivka | tar -xzvf *.tar.gz |
| 13:39.18 | Ivka | for tar.gz this is the command |
| 13:39.25 | liable | pmp: okie, i think i blacklisted it and also added it to /etc/modules, but i cant remember (and didnt document it) so i guess wait for it to hit the repos, or make an init script for it. |
| 13:40.07 | cydork | rm -f abrotman.tar.gz |
| 13:40.08 | cydork | :) |
| 13:40.25 | abrotman | you don't own that file! |
| 13:40.30 | Eulex | tar -cf abrotman.tar abrotman/; bzip2 abrotman.tar |
| 13:40.39 | Shadowcat | oh great |
| 13:40.43 | Shadowcat | we started a flags war |
| 13:40.52 | cydork | hehe |
| 13:40.53 | micky | :) |
| 13:42.04 | Ivka | hah |
| 13:42.10 | Shadowcat | Eulex: pkill abrotman; rm -rf abrotman |
| 13:42.19 | Shadowcat | that would be so much more efficient |
| 13:42.37 | Ivka | why to remove dirs? |
| 13:42.38 | jfletcher | lol |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/abrotman stop ? |
| 13:42.50 | dvs | dpkg -P abrotman |
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| 13:43.02 | xj3 | killall abrotman |
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| 13:43.03 | jfletcher | killall -9 abrotman |
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| 13:43.24 | dvs | anarchy! I love it! |
| 13:43.26 | liable | the price of popularity? |
| 13:43.39 | jfletcher | priceless |
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| 13:43.48 | Ivka | very interesting is here |
| 13:44.04 | Ivka | but ist'n this channel for debian |
| 13:44.18 | Shadowcat | no |
| 13:44.28 | Shadowcat | we're supporting something else this week |
| 13:44.39 | liable | Ivka: no, its a channel about abrotman cleverly hidden as a debian support channel |
| 13:44.41 | dvs | we're on strike |
| 13:44.43 | Eulex | haha |
| 13:44.55 | azeem | Ivka: see topic |
| 13:44.56 | jfletcher | I'm looking for some help on configuring Xserver |
| 13:45.03 | jfletcher | I'm using text-mode atm |
| 13:45.14 | abrotman | !drxx jfletcher |
| 13:45.15 | dpkg | jfletcher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:45.20 | abrotman | jfletcher: have you installed X yet? |
| 13:45.24 | jfletcher | yea |
| 13:45.25 | jfletcher | well |
| 13:45.27 | Ivka | oks |
| 13:45.29 | jfletcher | i just installed Debian |
| 13:45.34 | abrotman | yay! |
| 13:45.35 | Shadowcat | in other words no |
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| 13:45.47 | abrotman | jfletcher: which DE/WM do you prefer ? |
| 13:45.49 | jfletcher | yes, it did, but its not working |
| 13:45.59 | dvs | jfletcher: any error messages? |
| 13:46.18 | abrotman | oh see .. good job .. jfletcher made us help him!... now we're ... helpers! |
| 13:46.18 | jfletcher | yea, cant start output etc drivers wrong |
| 13:46.27 | rhalff | any easy ways to convert rpm source packages to .deb source packages ? |
| 13:46.36 | abrotman | jfletcher: can you paste the error somewhere ? |
| 13:46.39 | dvs | abrotman: damn! |
| 13:46.48 | jfletcher | hmm, no, its on my other computer |
| 13:46.57 | jfletcher | no devices detected basicly |
| 13:46.58 | abrotman | jfletcher: you can't ssh in ? |
| 13:47.00 | jfletcher | when i try startx |
| 13:47.14 | abrotman | jfletcher: look a few lines up .. do you see an EE line ? |
| 13:47.18 | jfletcher | abrotmayeah |
| 13:47.28 | jfletcher | (EE) No devices detected |
| 13:47.34 | azeem | jfletcher: run "grep EE /var/log/X*log" |
| 13:47.39 | abrotman | but which device .. look around that line |
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| 13:48.02 | jfletcher | theres a lot of errors saying no symbols found too |
| 13:48.16 | azeem | hrm |
| 13:48.25 | azeem | jfletcher: with EE in front of them? |
| 13:48.30 | jfletcher | no |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | jfletcher: can you ssh into the machine ? |
| 13:48.39 | jfletcher | only EE error is no devices detected |
| 13:48.46 | liable | no symbols in x? |
| 13:48.47 | micky | jfletcher just paste the log on pastebin.com.. and give us a link |
| 13:49.01 | jfletcher | right |
| 13:49.11 | liable | jfletcher: reconfigure and pick vesa as video driver |
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| 13:49.21 | jfletcher | its /var/log/Xfree86.0.log aint it? |
| 13:49.27 | jfletcher | liable: thats it |
| 13:49.48 | jfletcher | coz I picked nv for some reason, thinking it had somthing to do with nvidia |
| 13:49.52 | jfletcher | after seeing ati there too |
| 13:50.19 | abrotman | which nvidia card? |
| 13:50.26 | micky | for nv you`ll need to install drivers from nvidia :) .. if i'm not wrong. |
| 13:50.39 | liable | micky: you are wrong :P |
| 13:50.46 | dvs | micky: you don't have to |
| 13:50.46 | cydork | micky, you are wrong |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | wrong wrong! |
| 13:50.58 | dvs | wrong! wrong! wrong! wrong! |
| 13:51.00 | micky | hehe :) eaven with 3D support ? |
| 13:51.01 | micky | :) |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | wrong wrong! |
| 13:51.15 | micky | okay |
| 13:51.16 | jfletcher | micky: do u have a link to a decent sources.list / |
| 13:51.28 | EdLin | !u |
| 13:51.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:51.31 | jfletcher | then I can just apt-get install nvidia-glx surely> |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | jfletcher: yours should be fine .. fix your X server .. or IRC from that box |
| 13:51.37 | micky | use the ones provided by your installation |
| 13:51.47 | micky | or the ones closer to you |
| 13:51.54 | jfletcher | k |
| 13:52.06 | jfletcher | whats the command to reconfigure x :$ |
| 13:52.18 | shay | jfletcher, is it difficult for you to write "ok" or "are" or "you"? |
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| 13:52.23 | EdLin | !drxx jfletcher |
| 13:52.24 | dpkg | jfletcher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 13:53.00 | jfletcher | thanks. |
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| 13:53.31 | abrotman | jfletcher: you might also want to install irssi-text on that box so you can irc from it |
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| 13:53.38 | Kluster_v2 | shay, you forgot "coz" |
| 13:53.39 | jfletcher | yea |
| 13:53.57 | EdLin | shay: and you forgot "yea" ;-) |
| 13:54.07 | shay | hehe :-P |
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| 13:55.52 | Shadowcat | it has to be Sunday |
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| 13:56.56 | EdLin | !sing synday |
| 13:57.06 | Shadowcat | !sunday |
| 13:57.06 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 13:57.06 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:57.06 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 13:57.17 | EdLin | sorry, new keyboard |
| 13:57.20 | jfletcher | another question, if my card is in my AGP slot, what should it's bus identifier be? |
| 13:57.48 | daaku | is there a way to determine if a file has been changed since it was installed? (really only looking at files in /etc here) |
| 13:58.15 | cydork | daaku, /msg dpkg debsums |
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| 13:58.37 | daaku | thanks cydork |
| 13:59.35 | abrotman | jfletcher: leave it blank |
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| 14:00.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:00.58 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:01.05 | Madeye | guys, I just installed debian etch minimal and getting this from df -h /dev/sda1 897M 512M 338M 61% / while the HDD is 160GB, any idea what would be the problem ? |
| 14:01.29 | shay | Madeye, bad partitioning? |
| 14:01.32 | micky | for kernel-2.6.17 on sarge .. what gcc version should i use? gcc-4.1 is ok ? or should i still use 2.95 ? |
| 14:01.36 | shay | Madeye, try fidk -p /dev/sda |
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| 14:01.47 | tarzeau | micky: i used 4.1.2 |
| 14:01.57 | shay | err |
| 14:01.59 | tarzeau | micky: 2.6.17.11 |
| 14:02.02 | shay | Madeye, fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 14:02.05 | micky | okay |
| 14:02.12 | tarzeau | micky: man 2.95 is so retro :) |
| 14:02.17 | micky | hehe :) |
| 14:02.34 | micky | my last recompilation was doe with 3.4 |
| 14:02.51 | tarzeau | micky: which kernel was that? |
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| 14:02.54 | liable | old is the new new |
| 14:04.08 | Madeye | shay, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3567 |
| 14:04.57 | micky | tarzeau kernel-2.4.24 or 20 on a slack9.1 ( :) ) |
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| 14:05.24 | tarzeau | micky: whoa |
| 14:05.29 | micky | byt that was a looong time ago.. and i've done recompilations a few times since then... but never 2.4 |
| 14:05.33 | tarzeau | micky: don't run 2.4 anymore? |
| 14:05.55 | shay | Madeye, dunno |
| 14:06.00 | liable | 2.4 is so retro man |
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| 14:06.09 | pingouin | what can i use to change the group and the group of a file ? |
| 14:06.13 | micky | tarzeau right now my home server runs 2.4.27-2-386 ... right now i'm updating to 2.6.17 |
| 14:06.19 | Madeye | shay, I mean is there anyway to correct the partioning without reformating ? |
| 14:06.23 | liable | to bed.. |
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| 14:06.33 | pingouin | now it's root/foo i wish it to be foo/foo - and not root |
| 14:06.54 | tarzeau | micky: i see, i should build 2.4.33.2 .. |
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| 14:07.09 | pingouin | and i'm confuse beetween chrgrp or chmod |
| 14:07.10 | liable | pingouin: chgrp foo file |
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| 14:07.28 | cydork | pingouin, read man :) |
| 14:07.32 | micky | :)) |
| 14:07.35 | pingouin | ok liable , i try thanks |
| 14:07.37 | pingouin | cydork: i did |
| 14:07.38 | liable | pingouin: root/foo is owned by root, so its chmod foo file |
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| 14:07.45 | pingouin | cydork: but i dont read chinese |
| 14:07.58 | liable | pingouin: err, chown foo file.. |
| 14:08.13 | micky | cydork google/language tools :) for chinese -> english |
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| 14:08.26 | cydork | hehe |
| 14:08.32 | micky | ups pingouin :) |
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| 14:10.34 | shay | !tell root about root |
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| 14:11.06 | possie | mcgreg: sorry for the late response but http://blog.stevenkroon.com/2006/08/23/less-is-more/2/ explains it |
| 14:11.38 | murokki | how can i transfer my pictures from digital camera? |
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| 14:12.22 | cydork | murokki, gphoto? i like gphotofs though :P |
| 14:12.29 | pingouin | liable: ok good, thanks |
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| 14:13.00 | jfletcher | okay so now I reconfigured X for vesa driver, and I got some of them EE errors |
| 14:13.09 | murokki | but how can i do it in command line |
| 14:13.10 | jfletcher | 1 says screen is found but not usable config |
| 14:13.35 | pingouin | another stupid question : which file i use to run X, when i log and type : startx, to choose which WM i lauch ? .xinitsession or .xinitrc ? |
| 14:13.43 | tarzeau | omg opencubicplayer rocks so much playing all music with 125% speed |
| 14:13.49 | jfletcher | one is (EE) VESA(0): vm86() generated signal 4 |
| 14:14.10 | cydork | murokki, search for gphotofs |
| 14:15.39 | murokki | no, i mean with any external program |
| 14:15.47 | murokki | i think you can do it by just mounting it |
| 14:15.54 | murokki | without* |
| 14:17.14 | cydork | murokki, that depends on camera, not all cameras show up as mass storage .. |
| 14:17.51 | murokki | this one does, trust me |
| 14:18.23 | cydork | murokki, then what's the problem ? :p |
| 14:18.32 | murokki | how can i mount it? |
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| 14:20.21 | cydork | murokki, /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 14:27.18 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:27.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:30.15 | cydork | !kill abrotman |
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| 14:30.48 | abrotman | someone is impersonating werdna! |
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| 14:31.04 | cydork | abrotman, who is werdna? |
| 14:31.16 | twobitsprite | I just installed debian stable with no package groups, then changed my sources.list to use testing, did a dist-upgrade, then installed xorg... but when I do startx, it says it can't find any fonts... |
| 14:31.20 | FlyPe` | how can i get (with a shell script) line 4 from a textfile? |
| 14:31.21 | bretzel | Hi there, just installed Debian-etch and I have the bad surprise that I cannot find kernel-headers-2.16.2 version on the default repos. and unable to install NVidia...uh... where the hell are the correct headers ??? |
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| 14:31.44 | twobitsprite | I installed several font packages, but it still complains that it can't find TTF directories... what do I need to install? |
| 14:31.48 | abrotman | twobitsprite: install xfonts-base ? |
| 14:31.59 | abrotman | twobitsprite: try x-window-system-core |
| 14:32.08 | FlyPe` | how can i get (with a shell script) line 4 from a textfile? |
| 14:32.12 | twobitsprite | abro: ahh... I'll try that, thanks |
| 14:32.15 | cydork | bretzel, in etch they are called linux-headers, dont ask why |
| 14:32.37 | abrotman | because there are other types of kernels .. not just a linux kernel |
| 14:32.40 | bretzel | ...And gcc4.1 is installed but kernel modules has been compiled with gcc-4.0!!! I know it is testing etch but man, this is not supposed to be screwed like that! |
| 14:32.55 | micky | can i for example get the sources of the running kernel and compile only a specific module i need ?.. and can it be done from make menuconfig ? |
| 14:32.58 | abrotman | install gcc-4.0 |
| 14:32.58 | cydork | abrotman, agreed :) |
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| 14:33.34 | bretzel | cydork: I used the usual term- yet linux-headers ( 2.6.17 - no 2.16.2 ) |
| 14:33.34 | FlyPe` | can someone help me? |
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| 14:34.08 | micky | FlyPe` man awk |
| 14:34.16 | abrotman | bretzel: i don't know what etch you're using .. but i have 2.6.16-2 |
| 14:34.35 | cydork | bretzel, same here |
| 14:34.53 | FlyPe` | micky: cat file.txt | tail -4 | head -1 |
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| 14:36.16 | MannieX | anyone know a graphic tool for configure iptables ? |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | vi |
| 14:36.40 | MannieX | ^__^ |
| 14:36.48 | bretzel | uh... Didn't see it nevertheless I was searching with "kernel" that is why I didn't find it :-) |
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| 14:38.14 | dn4 | my bad |
| 14:38.38 | row | what can I use to set plain colour for my background without creating a image of that colour? |
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| 14:38.58 | row | ie background --colour white |
| 14:38.58 | bretzel | BTW: why Debian ::init=2 jumps directly to network+XWindow ( just like Ubuntu and co ) ? normally level 3 is multi-user+net and 5 is xwindow ... nevermind ... |
| 14:41.26 | bretzel | I wiped Ubuntu to go Debian only as etchB3 seems very cool and working. But I have so much to learn about Debian ... |
| 14:41.28 | abrotman | bretzel: you can make them whatever ytou want |
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| 14:41.52 | Doat | row: you can modify profiles with gnome-terminal |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | bretzel: those are recommendations .. if you'd like to duplicate the runlevel5 settings ..you're welcome to |
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| 14:44.36 | bretzel | abrotman: I know -- And that was the only little complains I had. Now that I am setup with it, I am very happy with etchB3 :-) |
| 14:44.44 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | bretzel: anything else you need help with ? |
| 14:45.11 | micky | i'm curious on how can i use the kernel-build.2.4.* package to build a module i need |
| 14:46.03 | bretzel | abrotman: no thanks, I will certainly help in my turns with the stuff I know :-) |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | bretzel: that's what we pay you for |
| 14:46.30 | bretzel | yeah! |
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| 14:47.02 | abrotman | dpkg: what does bretzel pay you for |
| 14:47.02 | dpkg | normally bretzel pays me for foot massages, abrotman, but I've really had enough... |
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| 14:47.59 | Bushmills | what would be a good way to determine whether a fuse mounted file system has actually been mounter, or isn't? |
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| 14:48.09 | Bushmills | suitable for script |
| 14:48.14 | PerfDave | Bushmills: "mount"? |
| 14:48.19 | bretzel | dpkg; he was psy support for my Debian world entry :-) |
| 14:48.25 | Bushmills | PerfDave: mount | grep ? |
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| 14:48.33 | PerfDave | Bushmills: If you like |
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| 14:48.50 | Bushmills | because i haven't seen any "test" option in mount |
| 14:48.54 | abrotman | bretzel: dpkg is one of our bots |
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| 14:49.14 | bretzel | I am now trying NVidia and ignore gcc version warning.. |
| 14:49.16 | Bushmills | actually, i hoped for something more elegant than grepping the output of mount |
| 14:49.32 | heras | Hi ppl. Is it ok to ask support question here? |
| 14:49.36 | bretzel | abrotman: didn't check user-list hehehe hahaha |
| 14:49.38 | azeem | heras: yes |
| 14:49.42 | PerfDave | heras: It's what this place is here for. |
| 14:49.55 | PerfDave | heras: Provided you're running debian of course ;) |
| 14:49.55 | azeem | bretzel: can can grep /etc/mtab if you prefer |
| 14:50.05 | micky | anyone ? |
| 14:50.13 | Bushmills | azeem: yes, i think i prefer that |
| 14:50.20 | bretzel | duh - channel user-list :-) |
| 14:50.27 | azeem | micky: use module-assisstant to build modules |
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| 14:50.34 | bretzel | cu |
| 14:50.42 | heras | Hehe ok :) I'm running a debian server and am trying ssh stuff from my ubuntu desktop |
| 14:50.47 | bretzel | thanks whish me luck with NVidia |
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| 14:51.13 | abrotman | there is no try ... do or do not |
| 14:52.52 | heras | I want to run a Enemy Territory server and then log-out but keep the server running, Like so -> "nohup ./etded -blablabla >& /dev/null &" but its not working |
| 14:52.56 | abrotman | Shadowcat: I DO NOT! |
| 14:53.06 | Shadowcat | you will! |
| 14:53.12 | Shadowcat | or I'll hook you up with your ex wife! |
| 14:53.15 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 14:53.17 | abrotman | oh .. cool hand luke on tv |
| 14:53.35 | abrotman | not that i don't own it .. but still |
| 14:53.50 | pmp | bye, everyone - thanks for the help |
| 14:53.58 | usn | good afternoon... |
| 14:56.43 | heras | How can I get back the prompt and close the ssh session but leave the process running? |
| 14:57.10 | abrotman | logout |
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| 14:57.47 | abrotman | heras: oh .. sorry |
| 14:57.54 | abrotman | heras: nohup should do it |
| 14:58.59 | heras | abrotman: What about the /dev/null stuff? Im not entirely sure what it does and why it's not working. Thanks for the reply btw :) |
| 14:59.35 | abrotman | heras: it should direct output to /dev/null |
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| 15:00.35 | heras | abrotman: Thanks, I'll try again and see if it works out. |
| 15:00.50 | cydork | heras, for /dev/null to work you need to redirect stdout and stderr too, but nohup is the best |
| 15:02.02 | heras | cudork: so "nohup ./etded -blablabla >& /dev/null &" is a hotch potch and I should use one or the other? |
| 15:02.33 | cydork | heras, if you use nohup & the /dev/null is not needed read the man page |
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| 15:03.41 | heras | cydork: Thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 15:09.49 | Gathond | micky: compile it somewhere else then |
| 15:10.20 | micky | i`d rather not install a new copy of debian in vmware just for this... |
| 15:11.06 | micky | all this for 1 freakin moduele :) cx2388 |
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| 15:13.45 | abrotman | use m-a |
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| 15:16.33 | rl | hi * |
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| 15:19.03 | micky | abrotman m-assistant is of no help in my case.. as the running kernel is 2.4.27 and the module i need is found only in kenel 2.6 |
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| 15:25.08 | itc | I have a script that executes a program with a line from a file. can I set that script to execute a line and if was not succeded in 10 seconds to move to the next ? |
| 15:25.34 | jfletcher | hey there, I've reconfigged X with vesa, but now it gives errors of "monitor found but it doesnt have a usable config" |
| 15:25.55 | jfletcher | and also VESA(0): gdm generates signal 4 |
| 15:26.13 | jfletcher | does anybody know how to fix this problem? |
| 15:26.37 | abrotman | what resolution did you pick? |
| 15:26.50 | jfletcher | 1600*1200 (same as my ubuntu installation was) |
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| 15:27.14 | jfletcher | should I change this until the nvidia-glx is installed? |
| 15:28.37 | jfletcher | abrotman: ? |
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| 15:29.24 | abrotman | vesa can't do that |
| 15:29.29 | asg | itc: look at the advanced bash scripting guide (specifically in regards to traps.) Also, #bash can help. |
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| 15:29.48 | jfletcher | abrotman: how do you mean? |
| 15:30.16 | abrotman | vesa can only do 800x600 |
| 15:30.25 | jfletcher | well |
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| 15:30.42 | jfletcher | i reconfigged again with 640*480 and 800*600 and the same thing occurs |
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| 15:31.22 | jfletcher | and just now I did with only 800*600 and the same thing occurs |
| 15:31.27 | jfletcher | I will upload the error log |
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| 15:33.18 | jetscreamer | itis i, xorggogd |
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| 15:36.33 | jfletcher | abrotman: do you a text based FTP client I can use to upload the XFree86 log? |
| 15:37.00 | jfletcher | I tryed to upload it to a pastebin but it wouldnt allow it. |
| 15:37.06 | jetscreamer | ftp |
| 15:37.36 | abrotman | pastebin.ca |
| 15:37.52 | jetscreamer | ftp in an xterm should give you an ftp client |
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| 15:38.37 | jetscreamer | err make that console |
| 15:38.59 | jfletcher | http://nopaste.php-q.net/235295 |
| 15:39.06 | jfletcher | there is my log |
| 15:39.14 | jfletcher | can anyone tell me the problem with Xserver here? |
| 15:39.53 | asg | !no screens found |
| 15:39.53 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 15:41.24 | jfletcher | !troubleshooting x |
| 15:41.24 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
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| 15:42.57 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:43.04 | jetscreamer | easier |
| 15:43.09 | jfletcher | when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it says it is not installed |
| 15:43.18 | azeem | are you running sarge |
| 15:43.19 | azeem | ? |
| 15:43.21 | jfletcher | Yea |
| 15:43.27 | jetscreamer | probably xfree86 |
| 15:43.33 | jfletcher | yeah it is |
| 15:43.34 | azeem | then xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:43.34 | jfletcher | set |
| 15:43.36 | jfletcher | sry |
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| 15:43.42 | jfletcher | well yeah I reconfigured before |
| 15:43.50 | azeem | jfletcher: what does the log say? |
| 15:44.11 | jfletcher | http://nopaste.php-q.net/235295 |
| 15:44.13 | jfletcher | this is my log |
| 15:44.24 | jetscreamer | i think apt-get install x-window-system is better than just doing -core or whatever |
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| 15:44.41 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: should i try these commands? |
| 15:45.04 | micky | jfletcher they worked for me |
| 15:45.09 | jfletcher | nice |
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| 15:45.33 | jetscreamer | the apt-get is up2u.. the rest won't hurt |
| 15:45.41 | jfletcher | okay, this command is running now |
| 15:45.48 | jfletcher | apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 15:46.18 | jetscreamer | you should probably make sure that xorg and not xfree is beinginstalled |
| 15:46.29 | asg | jfletcher: what card do you have? What arch? |
| 15:46.41 | jfletcher | i have a gefore 6600gt |
| 15:46.47 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 15:46.51 | jfletcher | architecture? i386 |
| 15:46.52 | jetscreamer | use nv driver |
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| 15:47.07 | lhds | hello guys. aftet my 1st install i installed sudo so i can sudo instead of su but when i sudo appname and i enter the password, it tells me lhds in not in the sudoers list ... any suggestions? |
| 15:47.10 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: I did earlier, but this happened also |
| 15:47.20 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 15:47.20 | dpkg | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 15:47.36 | azeem | lhds: you need to add it via visudo |
| 15:47.38 | asg | lhds: man sudoers |
| 15:47.48 | Ivka | !k3b missing libraries |
| 15:47.57 | lhds | okay |
| 15:48.02 | asg | Ivka: /msg dpkg listkeys foo ; /msg dpkg listvals bar |
| 15:48.14 | bretzel | ummm... compiled nvidia , installed kernel-nvidia and no luck - Xorg log reports sub modules for glx and the nvidia module cannot be found ?? |
| 15:48.36 | azeem | bretzel: you need the nvidia-glx package as well |
| 15:48.50 | Ivka | asg very dificcult to find out something |
| 15:48.54 | jetscreamer | which probably still isn't in etch |
| 15:49.08 | jetscreamer | Ivka: apt-get -f install maybe |
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| 15:49.19 | asg | Ivka: well, you could ask #debian-kde |
| 15:49.32 | asg | Ivka: or explain what problem you are having |
| 15:49.37 | Ivka | no |
| 15:49.44 | Ivka | i use slackware |
| 15:49.44 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: I reconfigured with the nv driver but the same happens |
| 15:49.48 | lhds | its wreird but when i man appname i cannot press down to continue my lecture i hear a beep any suggestion? |
| 15:49.50 | azeem | Ivka: oh |
| 15:49.51 | Ivka | i cant use apt-get |
| 15:49.52 | asg | Ivka: then ask #slakware |
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| 15:49.57 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: now grep for EE |
| 15:50.01 | asg | *slackware |
| 15:50.02 | jfletcher | ? |
| 15:50.14 | Ivka | the problem with k3b is also in debian |
| 15:50.14 | azeem | jfletcher: grep EE /var/log/X*log |
| 15:50.16 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:50.23 | azeem | jfletcher: paste that to a pastebin |
| 15:50.24 | jetscreamer | what azeem said |
| 15:50.25 | azeem | !paste |
| 15:50.25 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:50.28 | Ivka | i had a lot of problems with this program |
| 15:50.31 | klikklak | I've recently had a problem with proprietary Nvidia modules (please don't shout), they fail to load after a reboot, forcing me to recompile them again. Has anyone else had experience like this? |
| 15:50.43 | jetscreamer | Ivka: it works fine here... |
| 15:50.45 | asg | Ivka: then use something that doesn't suck. Or, ask #debian-kde, they will probably know. |
| 15:50.46 | azeem | Ivka: we can help you with issues on Debian, but not on Slackware, sorry |
| 15:50.56 | jetscreamer | klikklak: apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev |
| 15:51.03 | jetscreamer | then reinstall the .run |
| 15:51.15 | azeem | klikklak: did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 15:51.20 | azeem | klikklak: or X? |
| 15:51.24 | jfletcher | http://nopaste.php-q.net/235299 |
| 15:51.28 | azeem | klikklak: are you running unstabel? |
| 15:51.53 | klikklak | jetscreamer: it's already installed. I've upgraded the kernel (today, but the problem still persists) and X (to 7, but this was sometime ago) I'm running testing |
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| 15:51.55 | Ivka | azeem, no problems |
| 15:52.04 | Ivka | i'll try |
| 15:52.07 | azeem | jfletcher: how old is your card? |
| 15:52.15 | jfletcher | azeem: not very |
| 15:52.17 | azeem | jfletcher: you probably need the x.org backport for sarge from backports.org |
| 15:52.25 | jfletcher | 6600GT is quite good still I think |
| 15:52.42 | azeem | jfletcher: the X in sarge apparentyl does not support it |
| 15:52.46 | jfletcher | azeem: could you tell me how to get this? |
| 15:53.09 | azeem | jfletcher: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 15:53.13 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: afaict 6600 isn't supported by the xfree nv driver |
| 15:53.15 | azeem | jfletcher: get xserver-xorg from there |
| 15:53.32 | jetscreamer | looking at your log it doesn't seem to be |
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| 15:54.10 | jetscreamer | xorg isn't a native sarge option ? |
| 15:54.28 | jetscreamer | i thought you could choose either/or... or is that etch installer |
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| 15:54.55 | fluxdudehome | is there a way to flush the ip_conntrack table manually? |
| 15:55.13 | jetscreamer | klikklak: if nothing else works for you, this is tested well: |
| 15:55.14 | azeem | jetscreamer: sarge has xfree86, etch has xorg |
| 15:55.16 | azeem | no choosing |
| 15:55.16 | jetscreamer | one sec |
| 15:55.26 | hdkiller | hello.. i can confirm this unconfirmed bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384325 (imho other users affected, and it's an ati + xorg mistery) |
| 15:55.31 | grigora | could someone tell me whether xmms and/or banshee are capable of changing an exiting mp3 file's metadata (artist/album/etc). why would this work for certain files but not others? thanks |
| 15:55.59 | hdkiller | i would like to get some help how to get further with this problem |
| 15:56.24 | jetscreamer | azeem: i've seen the choice somewhere. there is a choice. it asks which do you want. maybe it's when you apt-get install x-window-system in etch after it's installed, not sure. |
| 15:57.11 | jetscreamer | klikklak: http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh <--works just fine |
| 15:57.23 | azeem | maybe when you upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 15:57.38 | jetscreamer | i haven't had sarge in a long time |
| 15:57.54 | azeem | there's no xfree86 in etch |
| 15:58.00 | jetscreamer | maybe what i'm remembering has been deprecated though |
| 15:58.37 | jfletcher | azeem: what was that thing to get from the backports repo? |
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| 15:58.38 | ofer0 | j #perl |
| 15:58.43 | jetscreamer | it was an ncursed thing |
| 15:58.45 | ofer0 | oops |
| 15:58.57 | azeem | jfletcher: xserver-xorg |
| 15:59.03 | jfletcher | ok |
| 15:59.11 | jfletcher | do I need to remove xserver-xfree86? |
| 15:59.20 | jfletcher | and x-window-system? |
| 15:59.20 | jetscreamer | yes but it should be automagical |
| 15:59.28 | jfletcher | okay, lovely |
| 15:59.31 | jfletcher | lets see how it goes |
| 15:59.37 | ofer0 | Replaces: xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:59.39 | ofer0 | :) |
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| 15:59.45 | ofer0 | apt-cache show xserver-xorg |
| 15:59.53 | jfletcher | oh dear. |
| 15:59.56 | jfletcher | E: Broken packages |
| 15:59.58 | jetscreamer | big eh |
| 16:00.05 | azeem | jfletcher: paste the full output |
| 16:00.05 | ofer0 | I just love it when it happens |
| 16:00.17 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:00.17 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:00.27 | jfletcher | azeem, im on text based, do you know how to select mass text on here :( |
| 16:00.42 | azeem | jfletcher: use gpm or screen, or redirect into a file |
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| 16:01.18 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: if this isn't a server you might want to consider going etch. but it's up to you. |
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| 16:01.29 | bretzel | !nvidia |
| 16:01.29 | dpkg | [nvidia] DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 16:01.44 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer rocks and works |
| 16:01.48 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: what's going etch? |
| 16:01.54 | jfletcher | !nvidia installer |
| 16:01.54 | dpkg | i guess nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 16:02.01 | bretzel | !nvidia-installer |
| 16:02.02 | dpkg | i guess nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 16:02.06 | ofer0 | jfletcher, etch = debian testing |
| 16:02.08 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 16:02.19 | jfletcher | you mean like an unstable version? |
| 16:02.21 | jetscreamer | well a couple |
| 16:02.28 | ofer0 | jfletcher, no, I mean like a testing version |
| 16:02.30 | bretzel | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 16:02.30 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 16:02.32 | azeem | jfletcher: I suggest you try the backport first |
| 16:02.36 | jetscreamer | no it's the almost in stable and sarge is almost deprecated |
| 16:02.37 | jfletcher | azeem: I did |
| 16:02.37 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 16:02.37 | dpkg | methinks pmm is Please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel. |
| 16:02.41 | jetscreamer | listen to azxeem |
| 16:02.45 | azeem | jfletcher: not really hard |
| 16:03.06 | jfletcher | azeem: I put that line into my sources.list and tryed apt-get isntall xserver-xorg |
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| 16:03.10 | jfletcher | but it said broken packages |
| 16:03.17 | azeem | jfletcher: so give us the full output |
| 16:03.17 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 16:03.19 | jfletcher | and I'm trying to use this screen thing to show u the log |
| 16:03.24 | jetscreamer | apt-get update |
| 16:03.28 | jfletcher | i did |
| 16:03.29 | jetscreamer | first |
| 16:03.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 16:06.22 | bretzel | jetscreamer: Where do we get nvidia-installer ? |
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| 16:06.32 | jetscreamer | #nvidia |
| 16:06.45 | zinx | !tell bretzel about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:06.45 | bretzel | jetscreamer: not in etch non-free repos |
| 16:06.50 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.00 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 16:07.03 | jetscreamer | bretzel: |
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| 16:07.18 | abrotman | feed me! |
| 16:07.20 | jetscreamer | the debian nvidia packages are not the nvidia-installer |
| 16:07.23 | azeem | I wish you would stop advertising this non-Debian solution |
| 16:07.26 | jetscreamer | they are different |
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| 16:07.48 | jetscreamer | yeah what works, and easy, too, shouldn't be mentioned |
| 16:08.09 | jetscreamer | i chmod -x things in /etc/init.d also |
| 16:08.12 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:08.22 | azeem | jetscreamer: does it work for all of sarge, etch, sid? Is it possible to upgrade to etch when you install it for sarge? |
| 16:08.45 | abrotman | no |
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| 16:10.10 | jetscreamer | the debian nvidia packages never 'just worked'(tm) for me, i must suck |
| 16:10.12 | CAiRO | how can i achieve that i don't get any beeps constantly? i've written a script so the beeps are turned off when i start gnome but somehow (i don't know why or what) they are turned on again while working with the computer |
| 16:10.16 | CAiRO | without me knowing why |
| 16:10.23 | CAiRO | so i have to turn them off again constantly which really sucks |
| 16:10.27 | jetscreamer | CAiRO: blacklist the pcspeaker module |
| 16:10.34 | bretzel | Seems to just have downloaded and saved NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8774-pkg0.run |
| 16:10.41 | azeem | jetscreamer: that's not the point, does your non-Debian solution work in all cases? |
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| 16:10.49 | azeem | we can help people when the Debian solution fails |
| 16:10.56 | CAiRO | jetscreamer: ah, good idea, thanks for the tip |
| 16:11.04 | bretzel | well , stop X and running this pkg |
| 16:11.33 | abrotman | !tell CAiRO about bell |
| 16:11.41 | jfletcher | azeem: im using screen, i do ctrl + a, then [ |
| 16:11.48 | jfletcher | but how do I select what to copy |
| 16:11.54 | jfletcher | else it just copies 0 lines |
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| 16:12.12 | CAiRO | abrotman: thats what i do from my script when i start gnome but something turns on the beeping again |
| 16:13.18 | abrotman | alsa or esd might be responsible |
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| 16:14.33 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: how to i go etch? |
| 16:14.33 | CAiRO | abrotman: when i do ps aux i find "/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps" .. so i assume its at least not esd |
| 16:14.42 | jfletcher | apt-get update dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:15.09 | eastwood | jfletcher, change sarge to etch in your sources |
| 16:15.12 | abrotman | CAiRO: you could try xset too |
| 16:15.16 | eastwood | or stable to testing |
| 16:15.25 | jfletcher | eastwood: both? |
| 16:15.32 | eastwood | yeah |
| 16:15.34 | jfletcher | okay |
| 16:15.40 | bretzel | jetsceamer: woah! read install...sh script and finally, it is very complicated to make nvidia configured ...in Debian /// |
| 16:15.43 | eastwood | then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:15.44 | jfletcher | and then apt-get dist-upgrade yeh? |
| 16:15.54 | jfletcher | ah yea |
| 16:16.00 | jfletcher | thanks :) |
| 16:16.20 | jetscreamer | bretzel: ? |
| 16:16.28 | lhds | xlib no protocol specified when i run an application why? |
| 16:16.35 | bretzel | but thank you for this file, yes it is working as I am now 3Daccel |
| 16:16.57 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: first you edit the sources, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:17.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:17.18 | CAiRO | abrotman: as i've said before: i'm currently using xset to turn off the beeping, but it only works for a while |
| 16:17.25 | abrotman | a while? |
| 16:17.26 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change what says sarge or stable to etch |
| 16:17.27 | PerfDave | bretzel: nVidia in Debian is a very easy, just don't use the nVidia-provided installer script. |
| 16:17.29 | abrotman | or until you login again ? |
| 16:17.33 | bretzel | jetscreamer: Yes, thank man, it is working, I was telling that it is really compilcated to make 3D accel nvidia in Debian... I read the script and ... very complex |
| 16:18.12 | jetscreamer | bretzel: yeah kano makes badass scripts... but configuring the nvidia-installer in debian isn't hard as long as you know it's quirks |
| 16:18.28 | abrotman | m-a! |
| 16:18.30 | jetscreamer | however it's always better to use the distro packages when you can... even #nvidia says that |
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| 16:19.08 | bretzel | PerfDave: ?? I am used to just download the nvidia.com driver and make sure I have the right kernel headers, and then compile and then replace "nv" by "nvidia" and voila... but Debian etch: no luck I used the script and it is working now |
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| 16:19.29 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:19.30 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 16:19.39 | abrotman | oh .. that's for sarge |
| 16:20.14 | jetscreamer | that script even works for ubuntu |
| 16:20.17 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:20.43 | xj3 | man, i forgot how to format a drive |
| 16:20.47 | xj3 | how do you do it again |
| 16:20.47 | bretzel | again, where is xcompmgr and co ?? |
| 16:21.00 | xj3 | /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdx ? |
| 16:21.09 | bretzel | not in etch, nor in normal repos ... |
| 16:21.09 | anapivirtua | Hello World |
| 16:21.17 | jetscreamer | but $user's path is different from root's |
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| 16:22.25 | abrotman | xj3: /dev/hdx# |
| 16:22.37 | abrotman | bretzel: they don't exist |
| 16:23.14 | xj3 | oh yeah |
| 16:23.22 | bretzel | abrotman: I ha ve to compile it then :-) but really small and fast to get src/compile and install |
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| 16:24.05 | abrotman | bretzel: if you say so |
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| 16:25.02 | zinx | xcompmgr is in experimental (which means it's broken.) |
| 16:25.28 | abrotman | doesn't mean it's broken |
| 16:26.18 | zinx | abrotman: no, but you should assume it is :D |
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| 16:29.18 | jetscreamer | ah it's you |
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| 16:30.51 | zinx | rdonald |
| 16:30.55 | PerfDave | !maint nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:30.58 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: Randall Donald <rdonald@debian.org> |
| 16:31.08 | jetscreamer | oo i didn't know !maint |
| 16:31.19 | jetscreamer | thanks ya'll though |
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| 16:32.21 | klikklak | jetscreamer: ok, thanks (sorry I was bit distracted for awhile) |
| 16:32.28 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:33.38 | jetscreamer | cowboy, bay-bee |
| 16:33.50 | jfletcher | wanna be a cowboy bay-beee |
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| 16:36.44 | jetscreamer | !moo |
| 16:36.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 16:37.35 | hdkiller | hey dpkg, have you mooed today? |
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| 16:39.25 | xj3 | :~# umount /storage |
| 16:39.25 | xj3 | umount: /storage: device is busy |
| 16:39.29 | xj3 | how come it says that? |
| 16:39.37 | DamianFinol | Good morning, hey guys, my ISP dns are down and thankfully I am connected to IRC, Can anyone tell me where I can find some DNS that I can use in the meantime? (I cannot open google or anything). |
| 16:39.43 | xj3 | how can i tell which app is using it? |
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| 16:40.09 | tuv | xj3, lsof or fuser |
| 16:40.21 | abrotman | !rosetta stone |
| 16:40.24 | abrotman | hrm |
| 16:40.27 | DamianFinol | Found some, thanks |
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| 16:41.31 | anabain | does anybody know how to get the last nforce nvidia drivers for *debian*? |
| 16:41.59 | zinx | nforce as in network? |
| 16:42.03 | zinx | you could use forcedeth |
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| 16:42.18 | zinx | 'nforce' could refer to any number of things, though :X |
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| 16:43.09 | cydork | zinx, forcedeth is included in kernel right? |
| 16:43.22 | zinx | cydork: it's included as a module in Debian's kernel packages |
| 16:43.22 | anabain | zinx: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.11.html |
| 16:43.49 | cydork | zinx, i thought so . |
| 16:43.51 | zinx | anabain: that's telling you to use drivers that are already in Debian's kernel packages :/ |
| 16:44.01 | anabain | the problem is that it doesn't work mith my nforce430 mobo, and I want to try the others |
| 16:44.16 | zinx | !doesn't work |
| 16:44.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 16:45.41 | anabain | zinx: doesn't work: eth0 is recognised but it cannot be brought up |
| 16:46.17 | zinx | anabain: does it say why it can't be brought up? |
| 16:46.22 | anabain | that is, ifup eth0 doesn't work, dmesg says "link down" |
| 16:46.33 | anabain | or simply the process "hangs" |
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| 16:46.49 | zinx | anabain: the wire is bad, or isn't hooked to the right equipment, or the equipment it's hooked to is bad |
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| 16:47.25 | zinx | or you need to update your kernel :/ |
| 16:47.34 | abrotman | or |
| 16:47.46 | anabain | zinx: is a gigabit intergrated LAN. now I'm using a realtek 1000 connected to a gigabit LAN on the other PC (gateway) |
| 16:48.07 | anabain | kernel is 2.6.15 |
| 16:48.31 | anabain | and the cable I'm using is the same |
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| 16:48.51 | zinx | uhm, you're using a patch cable between two computers? |
| 16:49.21 | zinx | or a patch cable between the computer and switch, or a crossover cable? :X |
| 16:49.54 | abrotman | you'd think gigabit lan would imply not a crossover |
| 16:50.11 | zinx | why? |
| 16:50.20 | zinx | "gigabit" is a networking company, and they make NICs |
| 16:50.33 | zinx | wait, that's gigafast |
| 16:50.43 | abrotman | gigabyte ? |
| 16:50.46 | zinx | anyway, integrated makes me think NIC, not switch |
| 16:51.10 | anabain | PC2 (eth0) -----> (eth0) PC1 (ppp0 ADSL USB) ----> internet |
| 16:51.11 | abrotman | realtek 1000 connected to gigabig LAN ? |
| 16:51.13 | zinx | so he's using LAN to refer to a NIC at least once |
| 16:51.23 | zinx | there you go |
| 16:51.25 | abrotman | anabain: is there a switch anywhwere in there ? |
| 16:51.29 | anabain | no |
| 16:51.34 | zinx | anabain: what kind of cable are you using between PC2 and PC1? |
| 16:51.45 | abrotman | not much of a LAN |
| 16:51.56 | zinx | specificly, does it say anything about "crossover" or "patch" on it |
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| 16:52.07 | zinx | or do you have an adapter on it |
| 16:52.32 | anabain | I don't know, but it works with a realtek 1000 on PC2 connected to a gigabit on PC1 |
| 16:53.00 | zinx | right, but that NIC may have detection built-in for patch cables plugged in directly |
| 16:53.17 | zinx | that's not an uncommon feature for switches, and it's very cheap to implement |
| 16:53.24 | zinx | but it is much less common for NICs |
| 16:54.03 | zinx | reading the cable would likely be enlightening :/ |
| 16:54.11 | zinx | unfortunately i can't do that from here |
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| 16:54.59 | mfrisch | I cannot print to my cups server from my workstation I have added it to /etc/cups/client.conf and made sure I had access on the cups server the printer is broadcasting, I have followed the how-tos no luck. What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:55.08 | anabain | with the same cable I use to try with the I'm not sure but I think is a crossover cable... |
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| 16:55.27 | zinx | it will have writing on the cable |
| 16:55.36 | zinx | if you can read that to me, i can tell you if it is or not |
| 16:55.50 | anabain | ok, one moment |
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| 16:56.13 | abrotman | zinx: "395FT 195-4353 CAT5E" .. any help? :) |
| 16:56.22 | zinx | abrotman: yes |
| 16:56.24 | zinx | abrotman: that's patch :P |
| 16:56.26 | lhds | in fluxbox under debian where is the menu config file? |
| 16:56.31 | abrotman | zinx: not necessarily |
| 16:56.47 | zinx | abrotman: i assume ;) |
| 16:56.52 | abrotman | oh goodie |
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| 16:57.03 | abrotman | lhds: try reading /usr/share/doc/fluxbox/ |
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| 16:57.29 | lhds | abortman in the man of fluxbox its supposed to be in usr share fluxbox |
| 16:57.31 | lhds | but its not |
| 16:57.53 | abrotman | so look in /usr/share/doc/fluxbox/ .. see if README.Debian says it is somewhere else |
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| 16:58.03 | lhds | how to read the gz files? |
| 16:58.09 | kd3 | how do use sort by file size with ls? |
| 16:58.13 | zinx | lhds: zless |
| 16:58.37 | kd3 | nvm |
| 16:58.45 | lhds | exec less not found |
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| 16:58.57 | zinx | lhds: apt-get install less :x |
| 16:59.29 | lhds | gee i am installing nautilus and its going for a while but is it possible that nautilus and the libs is 84 megs? |
| 16:59.35 | lhds | thats toomuch |
| 16:59.46 | zinx | if you didn't have gnome, that's entirely possible |
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| 17:00.04 | lhds | because nautilus needs gnome? |
| 17:00.06 | zinx | yes |
| 17:00.14 | lhds | i thought that it was a stand alone app like rox |
| 17:00.18 | zinx | at least, a lot of the gnome libraries |
| 17:00.21 | zinx | nope |
| 17:00.25 | zinx | it's very gnome |
| 17:00.32 | lhds | its very the best |
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| 17:00.36 | zinx | it doesn't need you to run gnome |
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| 17:00.44 | zinx | (most gnome apps don't) |
| 17:00.52 | zinx | but it does need the gnome libraries |
| 17:00.59 | lhds | anyway gnome and all the libs is how big? approx? |
| 17:01.17 | zinx | no idea, and not all of the libraries are used by all of the programs |
| 17:01.23 | cydork | hehe zless is a script which just gunzips the gz file and open into less |
| 17:01.49 | zinx | cydork: yes :) |
| 17:01.53 | lhds | i will search to find how to strip down all the uneeded files in my box |
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| 17:02.34 | lhds | i get perplex when at the end linux goes for 2.3 gega |
| 17:03.18 | lhds | any usb can be bootable? |
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| 17:03.27 | lhds | can be made |
| 17:03.58 | zinx | anabain: so, yeah, anyway.. your options, most likely, are to buy a switch ($10 approx for 100mbit), or get a patch<->crossover adapter |
| 17:04.11 | zinx | not sure how much gigabit switches are these days |
| 17:04.15 | abrotman | or get a crossover cable ? |
| 17:04.21 | zinx | abrotman: yeah, or that |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | or make your own |
| 17:04.37 | zinx | i don't think that's an option for him :P |
| 17:04.37 | abrotman | or get a smarter NIC |
| 17:04.45 | zinx | that's silly |
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| 17:07.00 | zinx | Realtek lists, as the features for their 1gbit integrated NICs: Crossover Detection & Auto-Correction |
| 17:07.15 | zinx | so i think it's very likely to be the problem :/ |
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| 17:17.30 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:17.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:18.50 | r000t | anyone here know how to get postfix to listen to an alternate port |
| 17:18.53 | Birmaan | ;) |
| 17:19.59 | Arafangion | r000t: Sure, edit the configuration. It's very simple. |
| 17:20.07 | abrotman | r000t: ask #postfix |
| 17:20.18 | Arafangion | r000t: Infact, if you don't know that answer, you should not be running an email server. |
| 17:20.31 | jfletcher | !moo |
| 17:20.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 17:20.48 | r000t | Arafangion: i want to learn that so that i can run a mailserver :D |
| 17:21.21 | Arafangion | r000t: I'd start by *reading the documentation* |
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| 17:21.45 | Arafangion | r000t: Mailservers are not to be taken lightly. |
| 17:22.02 | r000t | Arafangion: i have but cannot find it.. is that your answer.. i guess you dont know then |
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| 17:22.25 | abrotman | www.postfix.org .. or ask #postfix |
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| 17:23.59 | Danamania | jfletcher: moo -> http://www.danamania.com/temp/moo.jpg |
| 17:24.29 | Arafangion | r000t: postfix.org |
| 17:24.54 | Arafangion | r000t: But, seriously, your question is like showing up at your job as a sys admin, then asking how to turn the damn box on. |
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| 17:25.33 | jfletcher | Danamania: im text-based :( |
| 17:25.46 | Danamania | aww. dang. |
| 17:26.01 | jfletcher | tell me in about an hour when I got it all running |
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| 17:26.14 | jfletcher | thats assuming etch doesnt throw a tantrum at me |
| 17:26.17 | frafra | hi all |
| 17:26.24 | jfletcher | hi |
| 17:26.28 | abrotman | you can see apt-get moo in text mode |
| 17:26.41 | jfletcher | whats that? |
| 17:27.02 | Danamania | abrotman: the .jpg is a graphical reinterpretation of the !moo piece. |
| 17:27.10 | Danamania | methane and all |
| 17:27.15 | jfletcher | rofl |
| 17:27.16 | Birmaan | Danamania,I like caows |
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| 17:27.21 | frafra | I'm using Debian Etch, but I like fetch some program from experimental. How upgrade a package from experimental? |
| 17:27.25 | Birmaan | *cows* |
| 17:27.38 | abrotman | frafra: you udnerstand those packages can be severely broken? |
| 17:27.51 | abrotman | and could result in a non-usable system ? |
| 17:28.09 | frafra | no, I have only some packages from experimental |
| 17:28.21 | abrotman | they can break your system |
| 17:28.21 | frafra | I would upgrade (only) them |
| 17:28.27 | frafra | yes, I know |
| 17:28.32 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 17:28.32 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference |
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| 17:28.33 | r000t | Arafangion: strange comparison.. trying to learn how to poperate it.. not saying im a sysadm .. just trying to learn |
| 17:28.35 | abrotman | have a good time |
| 17:28.51 | abrotman | frafra: and you probably want to learn about pinning |
| 17:28.55 | abrotman | !tell frafra about pinning |
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| 17:29.03 | Arafangion | r000t: Well, I'll try not to be too hard on you :) |
| 17:29.34 | Arafangion | r000t: But I'm giving you a strong suggestion to really know how DNS, BIND, networking, as well as all of the postfix documentation. |
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| 17:29.48 | frafra | thanks |
| 17:29.58 | abrotman | frafra: enjoy the pieces |
| 17:30.08 | Arafangion | r000t: Having said that, postfix is a pretty good choice. |
| 17:30.21 | r000t | Arafangion: the postfix documentation seem to think that i should run onport 25.. my isp thinks not |
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| 17:30.36 | abrotman | your ISP is correct |
| 17:30.45 | r000t | Arafangion: man master gives a bit cryptic info |
| 17:31.06 | kd3 | what does: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda1" do? |
| 17:31.06 | abrotman | r000t: is this to recieve mail or send it ? |
| 17:31.12 | abrotman | kd3: don't do it |
| 17:31.12 | Arafangion | r000t: Ha :) You should try sendmail :) |
| 17:31.15 | r000t | Arafangion: ofcourse they are.. |
| 17:31.18 | nonickname | alright.. i have a comp that has it's own PXE.. where do i go from there? |
| 17:31.27 | r000t | Arafangion: both send and receive |
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| 17:31.37 | abrotman | kd3: that is very very bad |
| 17:31.43 | nonickname | i'd lke to install linux on it without using a floppy disk or cd, if possible |
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| 17:31.55 | kd3 | abrotman: would that be a good way to write files on the hdd over and over? |
| 17:31.56 | r000t | Arafangion: the plan is to set up postfix with dovecot and squirrelmail.. |
| 17:31.58 | abrotman | nonickname: you can try the pxe install |
| 17:32.03 | frafra | so, something like Package: xserver-xorg it's correct, doesn't it? |
| 17:32.05 | jfletcher | nonickname: you have to have another computer on the network with the base files in |
| 17:32.05 | abrotman | !tell kd3 about dban |
| 17:32.11 | r000t | Arafangion: a project for the next week |
| 17:32.12 | nonickname | that would be this comp |
| 17:32.13 | kd3 | let's say i want to scramble my harddrive |
| 17:32.17 | jfletcher | so the one that boots from network gets these files off that server then can run |
| 17:32.40 | kd3 | ic |
| 17:32.50 | jfletcher | I only did it with FreeBSD before, but it should be the same |
| 17:33.10 | nonickname | the pxe from that comp find this one, but tftp has trouble connecting to me |
| 17:33.15 | nonickname | finds* |
| 17:33.17 | abrotman | nonickname: the install guide kind of lays it out .. you need a functional tftp server and a machine that does pxe |
| 17:33.48 | nonickname | i'll check that out.. |
| 17:33.51 | Frenzy|| | Hello, i need some help. I rent a root server, and earlier to day the whole shit went down. I contacted the datasenter but they told me to use the rescue mode in the controll panel. So i did but i dont know what i shall do in rescue mode. If i just reboot the server from it, it wont come up and i haft to reboot it in rescue mode again. What cane i do? |
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| 17:34.09 | abrotman | what are the errors |
| 17:34.10 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:34.11 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 17:35.33 | kd3 | dban uses urandom ??? |
| 17:35.52 | kd3 | it says Linux Kernel (urandom) |
| 17:37.57 | frafra | I use 900 for etch and 500 for experimental (xorg xserver-xorg-*), but it doesn't upgrade my xorg |
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| 17:39.38 | kd3 | ok, one more |
| 17:39.58 | kd3 | is it possible to install Xorg on sarge? or no point of doing this? |
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| 17:40.45 | abrotman | kd3: yes |
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| 17:40.59 | kd3 | abrotman: what's the point? |
| 17:41.13 | kd3 | if xf86 is running fine |
| 17:41.31 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 17:41.46 | berndX | hi, when i start a shell script over cron i got this error: " couldn't connect to display ":0" " ,what can i do? |
| 17:42.19 | kd3 | abrotman: yes or no to what? |
| 17:42.49 | abrotman | yes you can install xorg on sarge . there's no point if xfree works fine |
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| 17:49.54 | ResPiDeR | debian64 is ok? |
| 17:50.14 | abrotman | for what? |
| 17:50.40 | jetscreamer | userabuse! |
| 17:50.55 | jetscreamer | abrotman: the new mwilson! |
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| 17:51.06 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: etch is nearly done :E |
| 17:51.08 | jetscreamer | i'm proud |
| 17:51.10 | jetscreamer | welcome to the dark side |
| 17:51.10 | ResPiDeR | abrotman: is it stable and things like that? some ppl say that "64 distributions" are crappy |
| 17:51.23 | abrotman | other than no flash? |
| 17:51.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not likely |
| 17:51.39 | jfletcher | "setting up per-VC ACM's" taking ages though ; |
| 17:52.16 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: keep in mind, if your sources say etch, you will stay with etch when etch goes stable. if you have testing, when etch goes stable, you stay 'testing' |
| 17:52.26 | nonickname | mkay.. i downloaded netboot.tar.gz, but it doesn't open.. |
| 17:52.33 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: np |
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| 17:52.42 | jfletcher | jetscreamer: cant u upgrade from etch testing to etch stable then? |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:52.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:53.02 | dvs | jfletcher: you set it to "etch" right now |
| 17:53.08 | jfletcher | yea |
| 17:53.09 | abrotman | jfletcher: make sure you're pointint at etch .. not testing |
| 17:53.17 | jetscreamer | jfletcher: it's not an upgrade, you just stay with etch |
| 17:53.25 | jfletcher | k |
| 17:53.32 | dvs | !k |
| 17:53.33 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 17:53.50 | jetscreamer | atm, etch==testing... in the future, etch will = stable, and sarge will be oldstable |
| 17:54.12 | jetscreamer | dunno what the testing thing will be called... but sid will always be unstable |
| 17:54.37 | jetscreamer | or, unstable will always be sid |
| 17:54.48 | jfletcher | what does "setting up per-VC ACM's" mean? |
| 17:54.57 | jetscreamer | omg an endless loop omfg what will i do? |
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| 17:55.02 | jfletcher | /dev/tty2 + stuff too |
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| 17:55.23 | jfletcher | because it seems to be taking ages to do whatever it is that it dose. |
| 17:55.25 | jfletcher | does* |
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| 17:56.22 | mmiikkee12 | does reiserfs have some kind of change log for the fs? i let someone have ssh access to my computer, and accidentally put them in wheel, and they used sudo and fscked up an x config file somewhere. |
| 17:56.47 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=setting+up+per-VC+ACM%27s&restrict=linux |
| 17:57.17 | jetscreamer | virtual consoles , what you get with alt+f1,2,3,4,5,6,7... |
| 17:57.33 | jetscreamer | 7 is xserver in debian, and others |
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| 17:58.11 | jetscreamer | from gui you use ctrl+alt+F#, then lft alt + F# works in console... 7 to get back to gui |
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| 17:58.30 | jetscreamer | acm... not sure. access control module? wild guess |
| 18:00.06 | delire | anyone familiar with integer indexing for protocol types, eg what protocol would index '6' be? |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: get a mainframe :) |
| 18:01.34 | jair | hey guys, if I have a debian system running a ext3 file systems and I want to run a complete check for bad sectors etc?? |
| 18:01.47 | moshii | jair: man fsck |
| 18:01.50 | jetscreamer | azeem: i did say 'listen to azeem' .. cept i spelled it axzeem... |
| 18:02.00 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: that doesn't help |
| 18:02.06 | jair | moshii: I saw that but works for ext2 but I am running ext3 |
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| 18:02.17 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now jair, or just touch /forcefsck and reboot |
| 18:02.20 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: ok .. then no .. you're fucked |
| 18:02.29 | abrotman | better? |
| 18:02.40 | moshii | jair: um fsck isn't a single application |
| 18:02.42 | abrotman | and there's no wheel group in debian by default |
| 18:02.53 | jetscreamer | no there isn't |
| 18:02.56 | jair | by the way if I can make it work for ext3 then it will check the bad sectors and help me to repair them? |
| 18:02.58 | moshii | jair: it calls a suitable application for the fs it finds |
| 18:03.02 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: so what OS are you really asking about? |
| 18:03.23 | moshii | jair: fsck.ext3 |
| 18:03.26 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: i run debian, it was working fine before i let that guy in |
| 18:03.30 | jair | moshii: ohh ok |
| 18:03.35 | mmiikkee12 | hmm. where's the sudo log? |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | there's no wheel group in debian |
| 18:03.38 | jair | jetscreamer: it have to reboot ? |
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| 18:03.48 | jair | jetscreamer: I mean it needs to happen a reboot? |
| 18:03.51 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: must have been sudo then |
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| 18:04.00 | jair | moshii: thank you very much |
| 18:04.01 | jetscreamer | jair: for / maybe, it needs to be unmounted whatever it is |
| 18:04.04 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: so you explicitly gave someone sudo access? |
| 18:04.05 | mmiikkee12 | i did something to accidentally give him root priveliges |
| 18:04.06 | jair | moshii: I will try that |
| 18:04.12 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: or he cracked your box |
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| 18:04.29 | jair | jetscreamer: I see ok I will try to do it make sure the system file and hd is ok |
| 18:04.35 | moshii | jair: fsck.ext3 -c /dev/hd?? seems to be what you want |
| 18:04.35 | mmiikkee12 | oh. *slaps self* |
| 18:04.44 | mmiikkee12 | that was a MAJOR error in my brain :/ |
| 18:04.52 | abrotman | so what did you do ? |
| 18:05.03 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 18:05.04 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 18:05.39 | jetscreamer | the second |
| 18:05.43 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: i was letting him use my box for development of a project we're working on together. one of the make targets requires sudo access, so i was a genius and said NOPASSWD:ALL instead of just the app it was running |
| 18:05.58 | jetscreamer | !\o/ |
| 18:05.58 | dpkg | hmm... \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 18:05.59 | jair | moshii: thank you |
| 18:06.03 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: wow .. good job .. |
| 18:06.26 | jetscreamer | nuke it |
| 18:06.32 | abrotman | wtf make target requires sudo access |
| 18:06.51 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: mounting a disk image |
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| 18:06.58 | mmiikkee12 | for some reason, users can't do it |
| 18:07.06 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: i would have fixed fstab :) |
| 18:07.16 | cydork | mmiikkee12, and why are you mounting disk in makefile?? |
| 18:07.33 | mmiikkee12 | cydork: to copy files i just compiled onto it? |
| 18:07.38 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:07.45 | jetscreamer | no -loop so ... |
| 18:07.55 | jetscreamer | nuke it |
| 18:07.58 | Alkinooos | does anyone know the dimensions and weight of a box with a 15.4' laptop? |
| 18:08.06 | mmiikkee12 | jetscreamer: -o loop still requires root access. |
| 18:08.15 | jetscreamer | the guy who packed it |
| 18:08.15 | abrotman | Alkinooos: depends on what's inside |
| 18:08.26 | jetscreamer | that's what i said mmiikkee12 |
| 18:08.39 | jetscreamer | so you opened up your box. there you happy? |
| 18:08.46 | jetscreamer | i finished it :) |
| 18:08.48 | mmiikkee12 | jetscreamer: yes, i'm an idiot :P |
| 18:08.50 | Alkinooos | abrotman a 15.4 laptop is inside |
| 18:08.53 | jetscreamer | !\o/ |
| 18:08.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 18:09.02 | cydork | Alkinooos, yes, it's 20" x 18" x 5 " and weight is about 20 kg |
| 18:09.05 | jetscreamer | nuke it |
| 18:09.28 | abrotman | Alkinooos: check the manuf website for specs |
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| 18:09.29 | jetscreamer | why fuck around |
| 18:09.31 | Alkinooos | I need to the box dimensions and weight for shipping calculation |
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| 18:09.42 | jetscreamer | try fedex.com |
| 18:09.46 | anabain | hi, zinx |
| 18:10.08 | cydork | Alkinooos, seriously go to the manufacture's website .. |
| 18:10.14 | mmiikkee12 | i removed that guy's account and stopped sshd - he had nopasswd, so i didn't give him the root password |
| 18:10.17 | jetscreamer | i recently installed a scale and fedex software at work |
| 18:10.21 | jetscreamer | get some |
| 18:11.23 | enouf | mmiikkee12: not sure this will help , but cd /var/log , then 'cat auth.log.0 | less' |
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| 18:11.55 | Alkinooos | I dont think they will mention such info in their site |
| 18:11.58 | Alkinooos | esp acer |
| 18:12.02 | jfletcher[mac] | right lads, I'm getting somewhere with this |
| 18:12.09 | jfletcher[mac] | the errors now changed |
| 18:12.15 | jfletcher[mac] | "no core pointer" |
| 18:12.15 | cydork | enouf, read his problem again :) |
| 18:12.28 | dvs | jfletcher[mac]: which kernel? |
| 18:12.28 | jetscreamer | !mousedev |
| 18:12.34 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 18:12.38 | jfletcher[mac] | 2.4.27 |
| 18:12.41 | jetscreamer | ugh |
| 18:12.43 | abrotman | get a 2.6 |
| 18:12.58 | dvs | jfletcher[mac]: Change pointer device to /dev/psaux (if a mac has one) |
| 18:13.05 | jfletcher[mac] | I assumed this etch would have one automaticly |
| 18:13.12 | jfletcher[mac] | dvs: its not this computer |
| 18:13.14 | jfletcher[mac] | but thanks |
| 18:13.15 | jetscreamer | omg it's a mac? |
| 18:13.17 | dvs | jfletcher[mac]: if it's a new install, i'd get a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:13.19 | abrotman | jfletcher[mac]: didn't you upgrade from sarge? |
| 18:13.19 | enouf | cydork: heh ... yeah .. I only caught it from this point "[13:59:38] <mmiikkee12> hmm. where's the sudo log?" |
| 18:13.20 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:13.28 | jfletcher[mac] | dvs: Okay |
| 18:13.32 | jfletcher[mac] | abrotman: yeh |
| 18:13.43 | abrotman | jfletcher[mac]: apt-cache search linux-image .. get the one you want |
| 18:13.50 | anabain | I have the cable configuration (from left to right, from the cable terminal point of view, that is, in front of the pc): PC1 / number / PC2: brown 1 brown, brown-white 2 brown-white, blue 3 orange, blue-white 4 blue-white, green 5 green, green-white 6 orange-white, orange 7 blue, orange-white 8 green-white |
| 18:13.52 | jfletcher[mac] | okay |
| 18:14.16 | mmiikkee12 | enouf: i have an auth.log, but no auto.log.0 |
| 18:14.22 | mmiikkee12 | *auth.log.0 |
| 18:14.28 | dvs | jfletcher[mac]: and next time, use the "linux26" boot option when installing. I think this is at least the second new install for yo |
| 18:14.32 | anabain | zinx, is this enough to find out if it's a crossover cable? |
| 18:14.43 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: it doesn't matter .. you've found your problem .. now fix it |
| 18:14.45 | jetscreamer | they usually say patch on them |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | anabain: we'd need both ends |
| 18:14.57 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: i'm trying to find what he did so i can reverse it |
| 18:15.10 | anabain | there are both, abrotman |
| 18:15.17 | jetscreamer | they usually say patch on them |
| 18:15.24 | abrotman | anabain: okeedokee |
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| 18:15.46 | anabain | ??? |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | anabain: http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm |
| 18:16.14 | abrotman | anabain: that should help you figure it out |
| 18:16.31 | Tallu| | I want to build an ether-killer :P |
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| 18:20.09 | cydork | Tallu|, ether-killer?? |
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| 18:20.53 | anabain | abrotman, btw, do I need a crossover cable to set a gigabit - gigabit connection between the two pcs? |
| 18:21.07 | abrotman | anabain: probably .. |
| 18:21.23 | SpComb | cydork: male CEE 7/7 -> male RJ45 adapter |
| 18:22.27 | cydork | why?? :) |
| 18:22.35 | SpComb | think... ether - killer |
| 18:23.11 | cydork | SpComb, got that.. :P |
| 18:23.35 | SpComb | the phrase probably comes from the BOFH |
| 18:23.52 | SpComb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etherkiller <-- indeed, that redirects to there |
| 18:23.55 | Tallu| | SpComb, yeah |
| 18:25.01 | SpComb | "In the stories, the PFY (Pimply-Faced Youth) is the BOFH's assistant; this too has become a general term for a junior or trainee system administrator." <-- hmm.... that's me :P |
| 18:25.29 | SpComb | actually pretty accurate from what I remember |
| 18:25.30 | dvs | SpComb: does your voice crack too? ;-) |
| 18:25.47 | Alkinooos | which pc case material is best? aluminum, steel, acrylic? |
| 18:25.49 | SpComb | hmm, don't remember that... |
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| 18:25.55 | bronze | Alkinooos: wool |
| 18:25.57 | BlueBeret | !tell BlueBeret about 2006 key |
| 18:26.00 | SpComb | Alkinooos: in terms of price, low-weight... ? |
| 18:26.03 | dvs | Alkinooos: wood |
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| 18:26.10 | SpComb | air |
| 18:26.15 | bronze | dvs: wool! |
| 18:26.18 | SpComb | who needs a case anyways :) |
| 18:26.24 | cydork | BlueBeret, /msg dpkg |
| 18:26.36 | bronze | :D |
| 18:26.36 | Alkinooos | I dont care about price/weight! |
| 18:26.51 | SpComb | Alkinooos: titanium? |
| 18:27.02 | tralala | BlueBeret: /msg dpkg selftell |
| 18:27.13 | cydork | Alkinooos, carbon fiber?? |
| 18:27.20 | dvs | Alkinooos: I'd be more concerned with the design of the case itself |
| 18:27.21 | jfletcher[mac] | alumininum will conduct heat better if ur an overclocker |
| 18:27.35 | SpComb | gold! |
| 18:27.38 | SpComb | or was it silver? |
| 18:27.52 | jfletcher[mac] | well, copper would be the best actually |
| 18:28.30 | abrotman | Alkinooos: maybe ask #hardware |
| 18:28.55 | SpComb | didn't silver conduct better than copper? Although it probably corrodes more |
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| 18:30.00 | jfletcher[mac] | SpComb: although he said price dont matter, im sure the value margin there is exceptional ;p |
| 18:30.11 | jfletcher[mac] | and yeah silver would corrode alot more |
| 18:31.00 | jfletcher[mac] | not corrode, i mean a different word |
| 18:31.07 | dvs | erode? |
| 18:31.15 | SpComb | tarnish? |
| 18:31.16 | enouf | SpComb: corrode more? wtf? |
| 18:31.26 | jfletcher[mac] | well thats another possibility with it being soft |
| 18:31.28 | enouf | erode ?? wtf |
| 18:31.29 | jfletcher[mac] | but its not corrode |
| 18:31.36 | jfletcher[mac] | because it doesnt react |
| 18:31.40 | SpComb | tarnish seems to be the right term |
| 18:31.54 | jfletcher[mac] | probly wouldnt even tarnish that bad |
| 18:31.57 | SpComb | "Tarnish is a layer of corrosion that develops over copper, brass, silver, aluminum ..." |
| 18:32.17 | jfletcher[mac] | yeah, but after how long |
| 18:32.25 | jfletcher[mac] | check the benchmarks :p |
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| 18:34.15 | plb | anyone familiar with disk quotas in here? |
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| 18:38.21 | haldrik | hello |
| 18:38.44 | stoned | hi |
| 18:39.08 | dvs | stoned: shhhhh! |
| 18:39.14 | stoned | ?! |
| 18:39.30 | dvs | stoned: We were suppose to keep quiet. ;-) |
| 18:39.39 | stoned | lol |
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| 18:40.00 | haldrik | how I can set locales to es_ES-iso, if I executed dpkg-reconfigure locales, and this command set locales to root but not to user, so root is set to es_ES-iso and user set es_ES-UTF-8 |
| 18:40.39 | stoned | whats wrong with utf? |
| 18:40.39 | dvs | haldrik: check the /etc/environment file |
| 18:40.48 | SpComb | change the client to use UTF-8? Might be a good idea... |
| 18:41.02 | stoned | I'm sorry I don't know what advantage iso would have over univode |
| 18:41.05 | stoned | unicode* |
| 18:41.11 | haldrik | dvs: ok |
| 18:41.30 | SpComb | theoretically it takes two bytes for each > 128 (or thereabouts) |
| 18:41.56 | JMT | Hey is there some alsa problems with2.6.17-2-amd64? |
| 18:42.28 | JMT | Or is the problem me? |
| 18:42.37 | haldrik | dvs: LANG="es_CO.UTF-8" |
| 18:43.20 | dvs | haldrik: change it to what you want |
| 18:43.27 | haldrik | dvs: ok thanks |
| 18:43.44 | dvs | haldrik: as long as you have a locale for it |
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| 18:44.10 | Flauto | hi all |
| 18:44.32 | Flauto | what is the name of php-cli in debian |
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| 18:45.11 | SpComb | !info php-cli |
| 18:45.19 | plb | no one knows nothing about disk quotas? |
| 18:45.22 | SpComb | it doesn't like me :( |
| 18:45.35 | jfletcher[mac] | :O |
| 18:45.37 | SpComb | Flauto: php{4,5}-cli |
| 18:45.45 | Ronin | plb: just ask your question |
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| 18:46.06 | stoned | !tell Flauto about search |
| 18:46.13 | Flauto | thanks |
| 18:46.15 | stoned | np |
| 18:46.25 | Flauto | i am comletely new to debian |
| 18:46.44 | plb | I setup disk quotas via this article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 but whenever I use apt now I get "Checking quotas...quotacheck: Quota for users is enabled on mountpoint /home so quotacheck might damage the file" Please turn quotas off or use -f to force checking.Errors were encountered while processing:quota |
| 18:46.51 | haldrik | dvs: LANG="es_CO ISO-8859-1" or LANG="es_CO-ISO-8859-1" ?? |
| 18:47.14 | dvs | haldrik: I think it's the first one. |
| 18:47.19 | haldrik | or es_CO ? |
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| 18:49.58 | haldrik | dvs: and to apply this, I need relogin? |
| 18:50.11 | dvs | haldrik: I think you have to restart it |
| 18:50.26 | haldrik | dvs: restart my computer? |
| 18:50.29 | dvs | yes |
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| 18:50.45 | haldrik | :S |
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| 18:51.02 | Flauto | i tried apt-get install php(4.5)-cli but it did not work |
| 18:51.11 | shay | op |
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| 18:52.17 | Tallu| | plb, it just means its already on i believe.. so try repquota /home |
| 18:52.22 | dvs | !info php4-cli sarge |
| 18:52.28 | dpkg | php4-cli: (command-line interpreter for the php4 scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 1571 kB, Installed size: 3108 kB |
| 18:52.43 | plb | Tallu|: ya that works and all but what is with the error when using apt? |
| 18:52.50 | Flauto | spcomb, it did not work. is there a way to brows the packages by name? |
| 18:52.59 | Alkinooos | anyone know benchmarks of the latest xeon (woodcrest) and opterons? |
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| 18:53.05 | dvs | Flauto: ^^^ |
| 18:53.27 | Flauto | what is that |
| 18:53.43 | dvs | Flauto: look above |
| 18:53.44 | SpComb | Flauto: `apt-cache search php cli` |
| 18:53.59 | Tallu| | plb, oh sorry i didnt read properly.. wow, that does seem weird. as if its doing quotacheck vagum :P |
| 18:54.00 | Flauto | thanks |
| 18:54.46 | plb | ya and when i run quotacheck -vagum I get the same thing....... |
| 18:54.51 | plb | quotacheck: Quota for users is enabled on mountpoint /home so quotacheck might damage the file. |
| 18:54.54 | plb | Please turn quotas off or use -f to force checking. |
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| 19:01.33 | dvs | !moo |
| 19:01.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:01.40 | abrotman | yeah! |
| 19:01.43 | Eulex | !abrotmoo |
| 19:01.43 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 19:02.18 | dvs | o_O |
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| 19:03.00 | rvalles | dpkg: doesnt' work with aptitude :( |
| 19:03.06 | micky | any idea on how can i start X.org over the network and not on the current display ? |
| 19:03.26 | micky | i mean i want the output directly in a VNC like app.. |
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| 19:04.08 | Davey | anyone can tell me what time this has it set to run at: 02 0 * * * root /usr/local/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.daily |
| 19:04.22 | Eulex | rvalles, yes it does |
| 19:04.28 | abrotman | man 5 crontab |
| 19:04.37 | dvs | Davey: 12:02am |
| 19:04.39 | Eulex | aptitude moo, aptitude moo -v, aptitude moo -vv etc |
| 19:04.45 | Davey | dvs: thanks :D |
| 19:04.46 | jfletcher[mac] | jesus, bank holiday sunday, and here I am on irc reinstalling my computer |
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| 19:06.18 | abrotman | isn't sunday always a bank holidy? |
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| 19:06.34 | abrotman | eh? |
| 19:06.59 | tralala | not for the banks that work on sundays ;) |
| 19:07.10 | dvs | tralala: no around here |
| 19:07.48 | tralala | dvs: I'm yet to see one too |
| 19:08.42 | thingfish | they have banks in a lot of wal-marts, and those are open on sundays. |
| 19:09.58 | abrotman | i've never seen one |
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| 19:11.56 | rukos | would someone help me with the name of the xorg base package name? |
| 19:12.11 | dvs | xserver-xorg? |
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| 19:12.17 | abrotman | x-window-system ? |
| 19:12.52 | dvs | xserver-xorg-core? |
| 19:12.57 | rukos | x-window-system, yeah I think so. is that xorg (as opposed to xfree86)? |
| 19:13.17 | dvs | rukos: xorg is not in sarge (Debian 3.1) |
| 19:14.00 | rukos | dvs: really? I thought most people stopped using it after they changed their license. Debian still does? |
| 19:14.29 | dvs | rukos: Sarge was released before that contraversy. |
| 19:14.55 | rukos | dvs: oh okay (sorry, just switching to debian from gentoo today...) |
| 19:15.11 | tralala | rukos: good choice :) |
| 19:15.24 | rukos | dvs: you know if they're planning to use xorg in the next release? |
| 19:15.30 | dvs | rukos: yes, they are |
| 19:16.06 | rukos | dvs: anyone, going with free86 now, thanks |
| 19:16.22 | rukos | dvs: anyway* |
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| 19:16.43 | tralala | rukos: if you're running sarge you can get Xorg from the backports |
| 19:16.47 | tralala | rukos: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:17.58 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:18.14 | n00rul | stranger_stone: Hello :) |
| 19:18.39 | rnd_null | i need some help with mounting an SD card, any takers? |
| 19:18.44 | stranger_stone | n00rul :) |
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| 19:20.42 | EvilDin | hi is there any command that i can see which users are online in ssh? |
| 19:20.53 | Tallu| | who |
| 19:21.03 | rnd_null | if something automounts as RO....how do i change it to RW? |
| 19:21.18 | dvs | rnd_null: remount -rw |
| 19:21.19 | Tallu| | rnd_null, /etc/fstab would be my guess |
| 19:21.26 | abrotman | man mount :) |
| 19:21.45 | rnd_null | right, its an SD card, and for the life of me i cannot get it to mount RW |
| 19:22.03 | rnd_null | so i gave up and asked for help |
| 19:22.10 | dvs | rnd_null: is the SD "drive" permanently attached? |
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| 19:22.14 | rnd_null | nope |
| 19:22.51 | ootput | tralala: is it quite problematic to switch to xorg from backports? |
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| 19:29.44 | tralala | ootput: no, it is not a big deal |
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| 19:30.28 | Tallu| | sid, you'll always be you! |
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| 19:33.27 | nonickname | i'm trying to netboot a comp, it gets to "transferring pxelinux.0 (010011)" and never does anything else.. is there hope? |
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| 19:33.59 | jfletcher[mac] | nonickname: you have the server setup properly yes? |
| 19:34.07 | jfletcher[mac] | and all the neccisary files |
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| 19:34.36 | bretzel | help... upgraded kernel to 2.6.17-2 and then ... no more NVidia tried re-script install-nvidia-debian.sh : no err but still nvidia fails to load :-( |
| 19:34.38 | ed_ | just a quickie, is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ available as a single html? |
| 19:34.55 | nonickname | actually, i think i'll just remove everything i |
| 19:35.03 | nonickname | i've installed to get this working, then retry |
| 19:35.05 | ed_ | bretzel, i had that error, try downgrading the kernel and let me know |
| 19:35.16 | dvs | !windows-metality |
| 19:35.52 | bretzel | ed_: kernel modules has been re-done on the previous 2.6.16.xxxx That is why I tried 2.6.17 |
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| 19:36.32 | sid | Will etch have an automatic updates feature turned on by default when it releases? ie windows update |
| 19:36.34 | ed_ | bretzel, i seriously dont know.. personally im using 2.6.17.2 on stable, it's ok.. when i tried testing x fails |
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| 19:36.57 | bretzel | okay: I did upgrade in synaptic and kernel-2.6.16 has been redone, I dunno why, it was the same version but it screwed all the nvidia installation I've made! |
| 19:37.09 | ed_ | bretzel, with latest NVidia binary from nvidia.org, i tried many things but had to go back to stable on a fresh install |
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| 19:37.53 | bretzel | ed_: that means: DO-NOT-UPGRADE-ANY-KERNEL STUFF !!! |
| 19:38.12 | ed_ | bretzel, or ues vesa... the 2.6.16 kernel is stable |
| 19:38.54 | bretzel | Why is pure Debian so easily screwed when dist. like Ubuntu just works ????? |
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| 19:39.24 | grendal_prime | hey. i got an apache error log that is 700+ megs in size..is that normal? |
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| 19:39.38 | ed_ | bretzel, haha, ubuntu doesn't just work. its debian with whistles that no one wants. it's 'screwed' just as easily.. it's .deb after all |
| 19:39.52 | ed_ | if ubuntu had their own file name extension it would be ubutnut |
| 19:40.08 | ootput | or .ubu |
| 19:40.16 | ed_ | i prefer ubutnut |
| 19:40.16 | ootput | as in, 'sit ubu, sit. good dog' |
| 19:40.51 | ed_ | dogs piss on the floor when you're not looking |
| 19:41.00 | bretzel | ed_: okay but tell me why kernel upgrades don't screw up modules including nvidia ? |
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| 19:41.57 | ed_ | bretzel, i neglected to point out that i had the same problem with ubuntu that you're experiencing, it's just that their 'stable' is not available, whereas debian still has sarge. you try what you're doing on ubuntu and you will see x still fails |
| 19:42.13 | ed_ | just the're is no earlier version of xorg available there to use |
| 19:42.23 | ed_ | go back to stable's goodness |
| 19:43.18 | bretzel | ed_: I dunno wht you did but once I installed nvidia-glx afterward kernel upgrades do not affect nvidia modules... |
| 19:43.47 | khanman | haha ubutnut..i like that ;) |
| 19:43.49 | bretzel | ...and it seems to happens ONLY to nvidia!!! why???!!!! |
| 19:43.55 | ed_ | bretzel, we're talking about different things. the _actual_ nvidia source and x don't seem to get on very well on 2.6.17 |
| 19:44.24 | freeone3000 | Binary drivers work fine here on a 2.6.17-k7 debian precompiled kernel. |
| 19:44.35 | ed_ | freeone3000, what version of debian are you using? |
| 19:44.39 | freeone3000 | (Granted, I must reinstall on reboot, but that's because I didn't do it The Debian Way) |
| 19:44.42 | freeone3000 | ed_: Sid. |
| 19:44.47 | ed_ | humm, interesting |
| 19:44.59 | ed_ | ah you're using a packaged kernel are you |
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| 19:45.01 | bretzel | ed_: I am not talking about 2.6.17, but actually a new 2.6.16.xx that have screwed up nvidia. ( synaptic/upgrade ) |
| 19:45.17 | ed_ | dont use that, do it from source |
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| 19:45.32 | bretzel | ed_: do what frome source ? |
| 19:45.34 | ed_ | make-kpkg, at least, that's what i always use |
| 19:45.36 | bretzel | from* |
| 19:45.50 | ed_ | cd /usr/src/linux ; make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd |
| 19:46.31 | bretzel | ed_: anyway, from now on I must re-install debian because of screwed /lib/modules ? |
| 19:46.34 | ed_ | freeone3000, i had real trouble with the nvidia installer, not for any logical reason. just when i used testing i could not get it to startup, nor could i get any sensible diagnostics of why it failed |
| 19:46.56 | freeone3000 | ed_: Using the 'nvidia' driver under the drivers section in xorg.conf? |
| 19:47.11 | ed_ | bretzel, freeone3000 might have some better advice, i failed to get it to work though, maybe a few weeks ago, so maybe things have changed since then |
| 19:47.12 | bretzel | ed_: nvidia module just can't load |
| 19:47.16 | freeone3000 | ed_: Did it give you a warning about incompatable gcc versions? |
| 19:47.29 | ed_ | freeone3000, dual head, using nvidia driver |
| 19:47.32 | freeone3000 | bretzel: Did it give you a warning about incompatable GCC versions? |
| 19:47.37 | freeone3000 | ed_: Oh. Dunno then. |
| 19:48.08 | jair | hey guys anybody here run vmware server or workstation on debian? |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | i bet they do in #vmware :) |
| 19:48.29 | jair | abrotman: thank you I bet that here too. |
| 19:48.35 | jair | because I do |
| 19:48.39 | bretzel | freeone3000: yes from original fresh etch install. I installed gcc-4.0 and linked gcc to it and then it compiled. but still x failed, I got the famous install script and then worked |
| 19:48.44 | ed_ | freeone3000, http://www.gnunix.net/file_87_4796 <- that's the x settings |
| 19:49.19 | freeone3000 | bretzel: And it installed fine? No reboot? No warnings? Run as root? No X running at the time? |
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| 19:49.56 | freeone3000 | ed_: Hmm, without VideoRam? |
| 19:50.04 | tziku | hello, can somebody tell me what is: ". | #" simbols at nload ? |
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| 19:50.58 | bretzel | freeone3000: I was in console with no gdm, then exec the install script. yes reboot , and then NVidia worked until I did a synaptic/upgrade that re-installed the kernel-2.6.16 and then -- no more nvidia |
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| 19:51.24 | mmiikkee12 | how do i get the gedit snippets plugin in unstable? |
| 19:51.29 | freeone3000 | Well, no, kernel upgrade will kinda get rid of modules. Didja reinstall after that? |
| 19:52.10 | bretzel | freeone3000: of course I re-installed ( or re-exec the install script ) but no luck since that |
| 19:52.18 | grendal_prime | abrotman, ever wind up whit a 700 meg apache2 error log file? |
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| 19:52.22 | jair | hey guys I am not sure if this is a question for #debian or #solaris but I would like to export the X environment to my debian laptop so I can run a gui installer of oracle on a solairs box?? |
| 19:52.33 | grendal_prime | its such a fatty i cant read the damn thing |
| 19:52.45 | mmiikkee12 | grendal_prime: grep? |
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| 19:52.58 | abrotman | grendal_prime: get the cliff notes |
| 19:53.15 | grendal_prime | ya i started cat |
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| 19:53.28 | grendal_prime | grep filename | tail right? |
| 19:53.29 | claint | i have a quick question, is it possible for a non-sudo user to define his own kinna sources.list file to get source packages via apt-get? |
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| 19:53.48 | DocOC | jair: probably more of a question for #solaris. You want to make sure that your X server on solaris allows the host of your debian box to remotely run X applications. ssh is your best bet for this sort of thing... |
| 19:54.00 | mmiikkee12 | grendal_prime: dd if=whatever.log |tail *may* do it ;) |
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| 19:54.44 | sdf313 | hey how do i get url using wget and use proxy ? |
| 19:54.57 | DocOC | jair: there is really very little you need to do on your debian box to make this possible, asside from making sure you have an ssh client intsalled and X running. |
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| 19:55.24 | DocOC | jair: on your solaris box, man xauth. |
| 19:55.52 | Infamy | anyone know how to get into the bios of a DL380 G1? |
| 19:55.53 | Kerr | anyone know where i could find the kernel source to 2.6.12.9-386 ? >.> my friend appears to have that kernel installed on his laptop, but i can't find it anywhere >.> |
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| 19:56.08 | mmiikkee12 | Kerr: kernel.org has them |
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| 19:56.19 | mmiikkee12 | (you said source) |
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| 19:57.01 | go1dfish | what package is glxgears/glxinfo in in etch, I can't seem to find it |
| 19:57.11 | freeone3000 | mesa-utils |
| 19:57.13 | DocOC | Kerr: if he is on debian, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12.9-386, or if he is running sarge, kernel-source-2.6.12.9-386 |
| 19:57.27 | go1dfish | freeone3000: thanks |
| 19:57.33 | sdf313 | anyone? |
| 19:57.34 | sdf313 | hey how do i get url using wget and use proxy ? |
| 19:57.45 | Kerr | mmiikkee12: kernel.org only appear to go to 2.6.12.6 O.o |
| 19:57.54 | mmiikkee12 | Kerr: i know, i just checked ;) |
| 19:58.07 | mmiikkee12 | i was going to give you a link |
| 19:58.20 | nonickname | i'm messing with dhcpd.conf, and i'm not sure what 'hardware ethernet 00:10:DC:27:6C:15;' is for.. is it a requirement? |
| 19:58.28 | DocOC | go1dfish: mesa-utils |
| 19:58.35 | freeone3000 | I wouldn't get rid of it |
| 19:58.41 | freeone3000 | Assuming you use ethernet |
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| 19:58.53 | dimbit | anyone here found that ctrl+alt+f[1-6] doesn't do anything in xorg? |
| 19:58.53 | nonickname | that's from an example, and i don't know what it is |
| 19:59.02 | DocOC | Kerr: look up, I answered your question. |
| 19:59.09 | ootput | sdf313: wouldn't something as trivial as that be covered in the man pages? |
| 19:59.13 | freeone3000 | dimbit: WorksForMe. |
| 19:59.13 | jelly-ho | nonickname: it's to give a computer alwys the same ip. |
| 19:59.22 | dimbit | :s |
| 19:59.32 | nonickname | ah.. |
| 19:59.51 | DocOC | dimbit: maybe you have bound those key-sequences to something else in your window-manager configuration. |
| 19:59.56 | nonickname | now i'm really confused |
| 19:59.59 | jelly-ho | nonickname: so it can be configured to use dhcp, but always get its static ip when connected to your network. |
| 20:00.09 | Kerr | DocOC: 'couldn't find package' ... i've tried googling, searching packages.debian.org, and looking through /pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 on kernel.org |
| 20:00.28 | DocOC | Kerr: what distribution of debian is he running? |
| 20:00.35 | dimbit | nope, they don't do anything and this is a fresh install |
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| 20:00.45 | nonickname | what does a computer connecting to my pc through a router need my comp to assign it an ip addy for? |
| 20:01.11 | jelly-ho | nonickname: you don't need dhcpd for your comp. |
| 20:01.12 | abrotman | because .. the internet doesn't work on a shoestring |
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| 20:01.26 | dimbit | does "xkbrules" need changing in xorg.conf or something? |
| 20:01.26 | DocOC | nonickname: that is a pretty confusing sentence. What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:01.35 | ootput | abrotman: heh |
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| 20:02.04 | Kerr | DocOC: last time i saw this laptop it was running sarge, now it's running ub***u of some sort :/ |
| 20:02.05 | nonickname | i have two computers linked to a router, one with linux fully installed, and the other, with no cd-rom or floppy drive.. but it does support netbooting |
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| 20:02.26 | DocOC | Kerr: umm, that would probably be an issue for #ubuntu |
| 20:02.28 | jelly-ho | nonickname: I assumed if you configure dhcpd that you knew what it is and that you needed it. If your router is already assigning ip addresses, you don't need another dhcp server. |
| 20:02.46 | nonickname | ah |
| 20:02.52 | Kerr | DocOC: because evidently only ubuntu use the linux kernel? |
| 20:03.10 | ootput | nonickname: is this a hardware router? |
| 20:03.11 | Kerr | i never knew gnu debian/bsd was so lively :D |
| 20:03.17 | DocOC | Kerr: no, because ubuntu has different package repositories than debian. |
| 20:03.25 | nonickname | ootput, yea |
| 20:03.31 | ootput | Kerr: free? |
| 20:03.34 | nonickname | wait, uhh |
| 20:03.38 | jelly-ho | Kerr: is that kbsd or the one with bsd libc? |
| 20:03.46 | Frenzy|| | Hello, i need some help. I rent a root server, and earlier to day the whole shit went down. I contacted the datasenter but they told me to use the rescue mode in the controll panel. So i did but i dont know what i shall do in rescue mode. If i just reboot the server from it, it wont come up and i haft to reboot it in rescue mode again. What cane i do? |
| 20:03.53 | Kerr | jelly-ho: I was being sarcastic :-P |
| 20:03.59 | nonickname | ootput, what do you mean? |
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| 20:04.04 | Kerr | DocOC: i'm installing stuff from source; hence needing the kernel source >.> |
| 20:04.13 | Kerr | DocOC: that's why i don't see channels mattering much. |
| 20:04.32 | oNg8Eidu | DCC SEND 01234567890123456789 |
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| 20:04.37 | ootput | twit |
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| 20:04.48 | Kerr | err |
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| 20:05.05 | Kerr | DocOC: what's the last post of mine you got? |
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| 20:05.34 | jelly-ho | Kerr: he quit, wait for him to resurface. |
| 20:05.54 | DocOC | Kerr: if you are installing and compiling kernel source, why are you married to that specific kernel version. Why not get the latest stable? |
| 20:05.55 | Kerr | jelly-ho: he rode the pseudonetsplit quite quickly |
| 20:06.06 | Kerr | DocOC: it isn't my laptop |
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| 20:06.48 | jelly-ho | Kerr: ah, I see now, sorry |
| 20:07.16 | DocOC | Kerr: so? if you are compiling a custom kernel for him, you are taking over responsibility for the stability of his machine, thus you should do yourself and him a favor by compiling a kernel that doesn't have known bugs/vulnerabilities. |
| 20:07.16 | sdf313 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.57 | ootput | sdf313: set http_proxy in your env |
| 20:08.24 | Kerr | i'm trying to compile the sisfb kernel module ? |
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| 20:10.10 | DocOC | Kerr: and that module is not included with the default ubuntu kernel-image package he already has installed? |
| 20:11.00 | DocOC | Kerr: see, this is why you would be better off asking these questions in #ubuntu, as you may be reproducing effort already made by the ubuntu kernel team. |
| 20:11.17 | Kerr | the stock sis stuff can't do hardware acceleration, so i'm taking files from http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart4.shtml#download |
| 20:11.36 | Kerr | put simply, sis = fail |
| 20:12.28 | DocOC | Kerr: I don't know what else I can say. I have advised you several different ways, none of which satisfy your requirements, and no one else seems inclined to answer your questions... |
| 20:12.31 | grendal_prime | well it was set for debug...i dont remember why but that seems to add alot of extrainial BS to the log files maybe that will help |
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| 20:13.20 | Kerr | i wish my friend were here so i could ask if i can kernel upgrade, or install debian :/ |
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| 20:14.24 | DocOC | Kerr: why not just install a newer ubuntu kernel-image along with accompanying modules, set your bootloader with stanzas for both old and new kernel, and see if that fixes your isssue? |
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| 20:14.55 | Presently7 | nick ghost |
| 20:15.20 | DocOC | Presently7: do you have your nick registered with nickserv? |
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| 20:15.33 | strange_stone | Hello :) |
| 20:16.11 | Presently42 | Sorry, yes, I sometimes have to kill the ghost and I don't always recall the first time how to do it. Thanks. |
| 20:16.27 | DocOC | damn, my eyes are just not used to crt. |
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| 20:18.44 | Kerr | I don't want to alter this guy's sytem when i know next to nothing about it:/ this is a pain. |
| 20:19.03 | Kerr | DocOC: thanks for your help and suggestions; i'll relay them to him next time i see him :) |
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| 20:19.26 | Presently42 | So, my problem has to do with the recent situation involving KDE and HAL, namely, I can't mount my usb key. I put in the extra options as the bug report suggests -- only to find it already there. When I try to, say, calculate the volume size, it says Malformed URL. I tested the key on an other computer and I know it works. What is wrong? |
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| 20:19.53 | DocOC | Kerr: compling a module from source and installing it by hand is altering his system in a more potentially destructive way than installing a second newer binary kernel image and giving the boot-loader the option of booting either. |
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| 20:20.38 | bretzel | I had succesfully remove kernel-2.6.17x/linux-image xxxx.17x and then re-exec the installer script and then ... me is back with nvidia -- good I was scared to have to re-install etch from scratch... |
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| 20:22.12 | Ronin | ya good for you |
| 20:22.14 | m1ke_l | which image do i get for the latest kernel, amd dual core? |
| 20:22.19 | m1ke_l | i dont see a k7-smp |
| 20:22.29 | abrotman | in wchih version of debian ? |
| 20:22.30 | bretzel | ***ph00: uh? who is snobe ? |
| 20:22.35 | m1ke_l | unstable |
| 20:22.41 | bretzel | abrotman ? |
| 20:22.41 | tralala | m1ke_l: it's linux-image now |
| 20:22.55 | m1ke_l | yes...but i dont see linux-image for amd and smp |
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| 20:23.16 | ph00 | I ask one question, the guy answers rtfm and then when I said that I did read and dint understand he says that I should use windows |
| 20:23.19 | m1ke_l | oh..wait..i did this before....normel kernel see's 2 cpu's ? |
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| 20:23.29 | ph00 | snobs |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6-k7-smp sid |
| 20:23.34 | ph00 | I mean |
| 20:23.38 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-k7-smp: (Linux 2.6 image on AMD K7 SMP - transition package), section admin, is extra. Version: 1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 20:23.50 | abrotman | ph00: wtf |
| 20:23.58 | tralala | ph00: the point's taken, you can relax now |
| 20:23.59 | abrotman | and vague |
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| 20:24.05 | ph00 | yah |
| 20:24.26 | ph00 | and leaves the channel alone, OK... |
| 20:24.31 | Ronin | and while your up get me one too, and grab the manual ;) |
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| 20:25.26 | bretzel | ph00: Anyway, Linux and GNU OS should be rather called "IkeaOS" |
| 20:26.07 | Presently42 | I just got this message from my console with out doing any thing. "ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 9559, errno = 0" What is that? |
| 20:26.09 | DocOC | bretzel: ikea stuff breaks in a year. This current debian install is over 5 years old and has never broken. |
| 20:26.30 | hdkiller | mine too, but qt broken |
| 20:26.34 | bretzel | DocOC: hehehehe! |
| 20:26.44 | enouf | ph00 : whas up whitey? |
| 20:26.53 | ph00 | I get lots of help [almost] each time I ask anything, and of course, I try to help others as well, when I can, but *sometimes* I stumble in one of those linux snobs, and they *really* piss me off |
| 20:27.10 | enouf | ph00 : I don't see your question ? wth? |
| 20:27.20 | Presently42 | ph00, I'm not the Linux snob, right? |
| 20:27.42 | Guerin | bretzel: you've got it all wrong. MacOSX is the OS which is all style and no substance. |
| 20:27.46 | ph00 | no you're not, it was not in this channel |
| 20:27.48 | tralala | ph00: if you continue with the bitching you'll be considered a troll |
| 20:27.54 | Guerin | tralala: snob |
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| 20:28.14 | tralala | Guerin: :) |
| 20:28.16 | Presently42 | Have I stumbled in to a minor flame war? |
| 20:28.18 | ph00 | enouf I didn't ask any question, I only came around to whine a li'l bit |
| 20:28.24 | Guerin | Presently42: no. |
| 20:28.25 | enouf | ph00 : ignore the b0z0s of the world (especially networked ones :-) ) - you'll live longer and much happier |
| 20:28.30 | bretzel | Guerin, I dunno OSX - really, at first glance, it a very cute GUI... |
| 20:28.33 | DocOC | !start an os war |
| 20:28.33 | dpkg | ITS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 20:28.34 | enouf | ph00 : that's not coool |
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| 20:28.48 | Presently42 | Bilge water. |
| 20:28.53 | tralala | !stop a flamewar |
| 20:28.58 | tralala | !stop a flame war |
| 20:28.58 | dpkg | Hey, don't we all just love Debian after all? |
| 20:28.59 | Guerin | bretzel: yeah - cute at first glance, but no fucking use at all for anyone needing to do seirous work. Like I said. |
| 20:29.12 | tralala | dpkg: good boy |
| 20:29.12 | dpkg | thanks, tralala |
| 20:29.18 | ph00 | what? troll? me? I did even go away! I came back because I saw my name being used and I answered to those who talked to me. should I be considered a troll for that? |
| 20:29.26 | abrotman | ph00: stop already |
| 20:29.32 | ph00 | k |
| 20:29.36 | Guerin | !offence |
| 20:29.36 | dpkg | hmm... offence is don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 20:29.42 | Presently42 | So, any ideas about my two questions? |
| 20:29.47 | Guerin | Presently42: repeat |
| 20:30.01 | Presently42 | I just got this message from my console with out doing any thing. "ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 9559, errno = 0" What is that? |
| 20:30.06 | Presently42 | Is number two. |
| 20:30.15 | Presently42 | So, my problem has to do with the recent situation involving KDE and HAL, namely, I can't mount my usb key. I put in the extra options as the bug report suggests -- only to find it already there. When I try to, say, calculate the volume size, it says Malformed URL. I tested the key on an other computer and I know it works. What is wrong? |
| 20:30.21 | Presently42 | Is number one. Thanks much. |
| 20:30.34 | Guerin | Presently42: i blame hal. |
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| 20:30.46 | bretzel | Guerin: But I was sitting beside my co-worker, He was playing a video, launched an app that let him grab the playing video region and then saved that region as a quicktime video. I would like to do it in Linux ,,, |
| 20:30.59 | Presently42 | As do I. But for the first. What about the ICE message? |
| 20:31.01 | jelly-ho | Presently42: did perhaps any X app die when that ICE message appeared? |
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| 20:31.18 | Presently42 | jelly-ho: I don't believe so. |
| 20:31.48 | enouf | Presently42: Malformed URL is what KDE upchucks when you try to paste text as a URL (accidentally middle-click) |
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| 20:32.05 | Presently42 | Perhaps it was my exiting Kate. I did start from cli. |
| 20:32.09 | Guerin | bretzel: mplayer -ss00:45:00 -dumpstream /home/youdontneedosxforthat.avi |
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| 20:32.25 | Presently42 | enouf: Er, I didn't copy or paste any thing to get that.... |
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| 20:32.29 | Guerin | Presently42: yeah, that'll be your second question |
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| 20:32.49 | Presently42 | Guerin: Hm. So exiting prompts that? How comes this? |
| 20:32.58 | Guerin | Presently42: ICE sockets are (i think) what X apps use to get privleges, or something |
| 20:33.13 | Guerin | Presently42: that's not an error, just an informational message |
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| 20:33.24 | Presently42 | Guerin: Ah. Groovy. |
| 20:33.29 | enouf | Presently42: Malformed URL - for ex; If I try to close a Tab in konqui by middle-clicking on it (such as the way Mozilla/FF work), I get the Malform nonsense complaint |
| 20:34.11 | Presently42 | enouf: Then how am I getting it? I haven't been middle clicking at all. |
| 20:34.16 | Guerin | enouf: because middleclick pastes the clipboard into the address bar in konq |
| 20:34.51 | enouf | Presently42: understood, but that's what seems to be occuring for whatever reason -- why is "URL" in anything having to do with 'calculate vvolume size' ??? |
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| 20:35.29 | enouf | Guerin: I know that ... - just giving an example |
| 20:35.30 | Presently42 | enouf: Haven't a clue. If such is the case, why is it happening. |
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| 20:35.48 | enouf | Presently42: no idea - but styart looking at that |
| 20:35.58 | dnabre | sarge/2.4 kernel, pcmcia nic. Drivers work fine, but networking is started before pcmcia services. How do I move the pcmcia services up in the startup order? |
| 20:36.06 | Presently42 | enouf: And why does the properties window say that it is unmounted? |
| 20:37.00 | enouf | Presently42: How are you running this 'calculate' utility ? |
| 20:37.00 | enouf | Presently42: what does /etc/mtab say about it |
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| 20:37.02 | Presently42 | enouf: The desktop icon gives a right-click menu with the option properties. This gives the option to calculate the fs size. It also says it's unmounted. |
| 20:37.43 | Presently42 | enouf: Unless it's the usbfs, nothing. |
| 20:37.44 | Guerin | dnabre: change the numbers in the filename of /etc/rc?.d/S??network |
| 20:37.50 | Presently42 | I don't think it's really mounted. |
| 20:38.09 | thegve | Hi y'all.. I have small problem using Xen with a sarge host and guest. Both work perfectly, but for some reason I can't get NAT to work. Anyone got experience with this? Host machine mustang has IP 10.2.100.220 , port 80 should be forwarded to guest server charger with ip 0.2.100.221 (usually I do latin names..., started to get boring..) |
| 20:38.10 | Guerin | dnabre: high numbers go last - you want it to start after pcmcia, but before such things as ntp |
| 20:38.15 | Presently42 | That might explain the malformed url: It's malformed because it doesn't exist. |
| 20:38.25 | thegve | lol... |
| 20:38.38 | thegve | A bit of my post disappeared apparently |
| 20:38.53 | thegve | just my stupid client, nevermind |
| 20:40.06 | enouf | Presently42: get out of GUI .. KDE 3.5.4.x is broken (somewhat) ...try 'mc' or 'emelFM' (use the du button) --or just the 'du' and 'df' commands in a tty or console 'man du' |
| 20:40.35 | dnabre | Guerin: networking is S35, pcmcia is S20 |
| 20:41.13 | Guerin | dnabre: in all runlevels? |
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| 20:41.31 | dnabre | Guerin: networking is in rc0,rc6,rcS pcmcia is in rc2,rc3,rc4,rc5. |
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| 20:41.52 | Guerin | dnabre: meh, that's stupid |
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| 20:42.21 | grew | is there anything specific i need to do to ensure hotplug is trying to load firmware when a device is inserted? I have installed the alsa firmware precisely as the docs specify and its still not being loaded |
| 20:42.29 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 20:42.41 | Bread | Hey, what's a good way to find out which release of debian a server is using (sarge/woody)? |
| 20:42.52 | Guerin | !what version |
| 20:42.52 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 20:43.11 | Presently42 | enouf: So I need to stick my device in to fstab and use it that way? I thought that the lines added to hal.conf were supposed to take care of the situation. |
| 20:43.13 | enouf | Presently42: FWIW - i think at some point KDE or whatever chabged overr to the "media:/" protocol instead of 'device:/' as a prefix to device paths |
| 20:43.18 | enouf | changed* |
| 20:43.28 | apfel | Anyone successfully using an a4tech webcam? |
| 20:43.42 | Guerin | !anyone use an a4tech webcam |
| 20:43.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses an a4tech webcam, not even the people who use it. |
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| 20:45.13 | apfel | ? |
| 20:45.34 | thegve | Bread: I think dpkg should mention "cat /etc/issue" too... |
| 20:45.34 | BlackDragon42 | A little quiet today? |
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| 20:46.04 | jelly-ho | apfel: that's an unusual way to say "Please describe your problem in more detail." |
| 20:46.06 | Guerin | *tumbleweed* |
| 20:46.21 | PerfDave | Guerin! |
| 20:46.23 | Guerin | jelly-ho: there's nothing unusual about it! |
| 20:46.34 | dnabre | Guerin: ok, pcmcia just isn't in the startup runlevel at all... guess hotplug is supposed to handle it. |
| 20:46.34 | Guerin | PerfDave: you're in here again! Have you no shame? |
| 20:46.39 | thegve | http://pastebin.com/777431 as an addition to my question, here's iptables-save on the XEN host.. |
| 20:46.45 | PerfDave | Guerin: I needed help with kdm |
| 20:46.46 | Guerin | dnabre: hotplug bad. |
| 20:46.55 | Guerin | PerfDave: that serves you tight for using kde. |
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| 20:47.00 | Guerin | and right, too |
| 20:47.01 | jelly-ho | Guerin: maybe on this channel, but it really sounds arrogant for a newcomer who doesn't know all the little quirks of the channel. |
| 20:47.12 | BlackDragon42 | PerfDave: What's the problem? |
| 20:47.25 | PerfDave | Guerin: Bah, doesn't work with xdm either. |
| 20:47.26 | apfel | I see. My problem is that I consider to buy this webcam but I don't know if it's supported. I'm already searching google but couldn't find anything useful so far |
| 20:47.40 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 20:47.41 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 20:47.44 | PerfDave | BlackDragon42: Can't be arsed to go into it at the moment, I'm drunk on sake and full of nice home-cooked chinese. |
| 20:47.58 | Guerin | apfel: good on you for not just going out and buying the damn thing |
| 20:48.19 | BlackDragon42 | PerfDave: Sound's like fun! |
| 20:48.22 | BlackDragon42 | :) |
| 20:48.26 | [TACO] | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/devices.shtml I usually would go by that |
| 20:48.26 | Guerin | apfel: find out what chipset is in the unit, and look at v4l pages |
| 20:48.32 | apfel | For various reasons I don't have much choice on which one to buy :( |
| 20:48.42 | dnabre | Guerin: just shoved pcmcia in rcS in a reasonable spot, works fine now, thanks for the help |
| 20:48.50 | Guerin | dnabre: no worries |
| 20:49.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | Hi Guerin |
| 20:49.05 | PerfDave | BlackDragon42: Yeah, I wouldn't be on IRC but I'm trying to get my girlfriend's daughter to put a CD in a machine 100 miles away so I can rip it to Vorbis, scp it back to my home box and burn it to another CD :) |
| 20:49.06 | jelly-ho | apfel: and stuff labeled a4tech is usually very cheap ;-) |
| 20:49.22 | Guerin | my wife wants to buy this house: http://www.open2view.com/viewprop.php |
| 20:49.26 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:49.30 | FlimFlamMan | how do i include stuff in /etc/profile such that it's not disturbed when /etc/profile gets updated via apt-get update? |
| 20:49.43 | [TACO] | Guerin: need an ID |
| 20:49.44 | apfel | Well, cheap is good in terms of its price ;) |
| 20:49.46 | BlackDragon42 | PerfDave: I hope that goes OK. |
| 20:49.51 | enouf | dnabre: is it possible you need to load the modules in the correct order from using a mkinitrd? 2.4 I know very little about, I mean I'm just learning how it works on 2.6.13+(?) using udev and hal instead of hotplug (I'm on a dilapidated Sid) |
| 20:50.02 | jelly-ho | Guerin: there's an ?stuff=stuff missing in that url... |
| 20:50.14 | Guerin | protperty ID #134688 |
| 20:50.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | or a session or cookie thing |
| 20:50.24 | apfel | I'm currently using the labtec plus webcam but the quality is kind of bad, you can't put it on your laptop, etc. |
| 20:50.28 | Guerin | yeah, they've stored it in a cookie, not in the url |
| 20:50.29 | enouf | dnabre _ ok -- w-a-y wrong am I - sorry |
| 20:50.30 | Guerin | stupids! |
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| 20:50.40 | FlimFlamMan | A-frame |
| 20:50.51 | jelly-ho | Guerin: well, adding ?id=134688 works |
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| 20:50.59 | Guerin | jelly-ho: <heh> |
| 20:51.35 | tralala | how do I make a screenshot in X? |
| 20:51.48 | Guerin | the problem is the NZ real estate market is massively inflated and is about to go bust |
| 20:51.53 | Guerin | tralala: scrot |
| 20:52.01 | thegve | Guerin: Most pics are a bit out of proportion.. |
| 20:52.06 | Ox0F0-0FF | What a curious roof.... |
| 20:52.09 | Guerin | thegve: fisheye lenses |
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| 20:52.14 | tralala | Guerin: thanks |
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| 20:52.32 | holycow | Guerin, like the north american real estate market eh? |
| 20:52.34 | thegve | tralala: gnome-screenshot If you might be using gnome.. |
| 20:52.44 | Guerin | holycow: no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 20:53.03 | Ox0F0-0FF | Guerin, wait then |
| 20:53.04 | holycow | people so outbid them selves here on realestate its astsounding |
| 20:53.07 | tralala | thegve: thanks, but I'm using icewm |
| 20:53.11 | holycow | no one can afford to buy a house anymore |
| 20:53.20 | Guerin | Ox0F0-0FF: that's what I'm thinking too. |
| 20:53.24 | holycow | they just invented a mortgate that lets multiple people joing together to buy a house |
| 20:53.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | holycow, Yeah, tell me about it, i been living in boston... |
| 20:53.43 | apfel | One more question: would it be possible to use my digicam as a webcam somehow? |
| 20:53.47 | Guerin | NZ has no capital gainst tax, so it's been guaranteed equity for about 20 years |
| 20:54.02 | Guerin | apfel: depends on the camera. Probably not. |
| 20:54.14 | tralala | I'm going to resist it, I'm going to resist it... I can't resist it |
| 20:54.15 | holycow | Ox0F0-0FF, lol, i'm becoming disenchanted with the free market, people just arent able to make rational decisions |
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| 20:54.16 | jelly-ho | Guerin: it's designed for very snowy weather, isn't it? ;-) Do you get any snow down there? |
| 20:54.20 | tralala | !nickometer Ox0F0-0FF |
| 20:54.21 | dpkg | 'Ox0F0-0FF' is 99.390% lame, tralala |
| 20:54.26 | Guerin | jelly-ho: no, that's 100% a gimmick |
| 20:54.29 | tralala | boy, that's something |
| 20:54.35 | thegve | apfel: Not really experienced, I guess any video4linux device should work as a webcam... |
| 20:54.39 | apfel | Guerin: Casio exilim EX-S600 |
| 20:54.43 | Ox0F0-0FF | tralala, your lameness ? yes, i think so |
| 20:54.49 | Guerin | jelly-ho: but also a space-saving mechanism, since the area where that house is is very hilly and rocky |
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| 20:56.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | Would anyone be kind enough to remove this "feature" from dpkg ? I'm vistim of one nickometer per week minimum |
| 20:56.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | victim * |
| 20:56.30 | thegve | Maybe someone here to help me with my XEN problem. Host "mustang" working fine, Guest "charger" working fine. Can't get natting port 80 > charger to work. |
| 20:57.28 | Guerin | Ox0F0-0FF: choose a less stupid nick or harden up. |
| 20:57.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | Guerin, it's been like 6 years, i got this nick.... forget it |
| 20:58.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | added to this, it has nothing stupid |
| 20:58.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | but thank you |
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| 20:58.08 | Guerin | Ox0F0-0FF: ok, so you should be used to it by now. No big deal. Get over it. |
| 20:58.09 | jelly-ho | Guerin: It's very pretty though. How much is that in US$ or EUR? |
| 20:58.27 | Guerin | jelly-ho: about $200,000 I suppose |
| 20:58.30 | daisuke | how can i switch to the deadline io scheulder? |
| 20:58.49 | Guerin | cheap, that is, if you're not earning NZ salaries |
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| 20:59.25 | thegve | Guerin: In the netherlands you would spend around $450,000 for this kind of house... |
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| 20:59.50 | Guerin | thegve: in the netherlands, people wearn somewhat more than double the income that we do here in NZ |
| 20:59.51 | hC|xen | how nows about enterprises where to get not expensive dns server? |
| 20:59.52 | hC|xen | hi |
| 21:00.12 | Guerin | hC|xen: granitecanyon.net |
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| 21:00.45 | thegve | Guerin: I guessed that... Just found it funny... |
| 21:00.51 | tralala | Ox0F0-0FF: there is a very easy "workaround" for this "feature". It works perfectly - I've used it myself: /nick anormalnick |
| 21:00.54 | hC|xen | txh |
| 21:00.57 | hC|xen | thx |
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| 21:01.06 | jelly-ho | hC|xen: also, gratisdns.de (not really gratis, but cheap) |
| 21:01.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | tralala, Beeing different is bad ? use windows |
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| 21:01.34 | Guerin | Ox0F0-0FF: as long as you don't THINK different... |
| 21:01.39 | UncleD | I know this is apache related, but can anyone explain this: httpd: Syntax error on line 110 of /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf: API module structure `dav_svn_module' in file /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? |
| 21:01.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
| 21:01.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | good one Guerin |
| 21:02.01 | jelly-ho | Ox0F0-0FF: just ignore those two lines , "!nickometer you" and "'you' is .* lame" |
| 21:02.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | gtg, bbl |
| 21:02.09 | hC|xen | thx 2 |
| 21:02.36 | hC|xen | i don't get anything at http://www.granitecanyon.net/ |
| 21:02.41 | hC|xen | blan page |
| 21:02.58 | UncleD | I am having this problem: |
| 21:02.58 | UncleD | http://www.svnforum.org/2017/viewtopic.php?t=866&sid=43ab8e26f0441ded1875d483e03526fb |
| 21:03.14 | Guerin | hC|xen: .com |
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| 21:05.26 | peterS | UncleD: uh, that's a problem on a Windows platform. what makes you think #debian knows anything about Subversion on Windows? |
| 21:05.33 | thegve | UncleD: Euhm, windows questions on #debian? |
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| 21:06.17 | thegve | tried #apache? |
| 21:06.20 | Kluster_v2 | wow, last guy that tried that was found dead naked in a ditch |
| 21:06.22 | peterS | UncleD: if you want to use subversion with apache 2.0 or apache 2.2, packages for all of the above are available in Debian. and they work. |
| 21:06.30 | abrotman | how is c:\ kind of like /usr/local/? .. |
| 21:06.54 | BlackDragon42 | Huh? |
| 21:06.57 | peterS | UncleD: if you want apache 2.0, use unstable. if you want apache 2.2 and a subversion that works with it, pull those from experimental. |
| 21:07.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:07.15 | Guerin | in other words, you don't |
| 21:07.22 | hC|xen | thx |
| 21:07.25 | holycow | peterS, lol |
| 21:07.27 | abrotman | UncleD: he's asking about windows |
| 21:07.30 | holycow | what makes anyone wonder we would care? |
| 21:07.40 | abrotman | peterS: he's asking about windows ... |
| 21:07.41 | abrotman | duh |
| 21:07.41 | DocOC | abrotman: I don't know, abrotman, how is c:\ kind of like /usr/local? |
| 21:07.54 | abrotman | DocOC: it's not |
| 21:07.59 | peterS | holycow: it's true and I'm sort of in a position to know |
| 21:08.19 | DocOC | abrotman: that's a terrible punch-line. |
| 21:08.32 | abrotman | i heard subversion is packaged by a truck driver! |
| 21:08.51 | BlackDragon42 | There is not much of a relationship between Microshaft Winblows and the various *nixes. |
| 21:08.54 | UncleD | Im not asking about windows |
| 21:08.56 | peterS | abrotman: heh. I'm not aware that any of us is one of those |
| 21:08.58 | UncleD | my error is occuring on debian |
| 21:09.17 | peterS | UncleD: are you using the Debian packages of subversion, or trying to compile your own? |
| 21:09.18 | UncleD | I'm using libapache2-svn |
| 21:09.20 | abrotman | UncleD: then show us the package versions you're using |
| 21:09.20 | UncleD | apt-get install libapache2-svn |
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| 21:09.32 | peterS | UncleD: stable or unstable or experimental? |
| 21:09.39 | UncleD | the only version available on apt-get |
| 21:09.47 | UncleD | libapache2-svn - apache modules for Subversion (aka. svn) |
| 21:09.52 | peterS | UncleD: or, to put it another, way, what version of apache2 and what version of libapache2-svn? |
| 21:10.02 | sid | For a gnome bug, do I file with the bts, or bugzilla.gnome.org?(or both?) |
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| 21:10.24 | abrotman | sid: bts .. if it's upstream .. they'll forward it |
| 21:10.32 | UncleD | my apache is apache 2.2 |
| 21:10.43 | UncleD | i dont know how to check my libapache2-svn version |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | UncleD: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 21:10.46 | UncleD | can you tell me how? |
| 21:10.57 | abrotman | how did you get apache2.2 ? |
| 21:11.11 | peterS | UncleD: 'dpkg -l apache2 libapache2-svn' will tell you both |
| 21:11.20 | UncleD | i manually compiled it |
| 21:11.26 | xored | uh :) |
| 21:11.36 | xored | debina way, i hear that coming :D |
| 21:11.38 | UncleD | libapache2-svn is version 1.3.1-3 |
| 21:11.50 | peterS | UncleD: well, apache 2.0 modules are not compatible with apache 2.2, and vice versa |
| 21:11.53 | peterS | UncleD: so that's your problem |
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| 21:12.09 | peterS | UncleD: now if you really want apache 2.2 and a libapache2-svn that works with it, both of them exist in experimental |
| 21:12.30 | abrotman | at least we know why it's garbled :) |
| 21:12.35 | UncleD | peterS: wher ecan I find the experimental version |
| 21:12.38 | peterS | UncleD: so add experimental to sources.list and 'apt-get install libapache2-svn/experimental' |
| 21:12.51 | peterS | UncleD: the experimental line is just like the unstable line except that it says experimental instead of unstable |
| 21:13.08 | peterS | UncleD: or if you're using etch ... yeah, same. |
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| 21:14.07 | UncleD | E: Release 'experimental' for 'libapache2-svn' was not found |
| 21:14.22 | peterS | UncleD: did you 'apt-get update' after editing sources.list? |
| 21:14.35 | abrotman | "edit it to do what?" .... |
| 21:15.06 | peterS | I forgot to mention that any time you edit /etc/apt/sources.list you have to run 'apt-get update' afterward |
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| 21:15.19 | Guerin | oh god, why are we helping a person who can't edit a sources.list to use experimental? |
| 21:15.38 | abrotman | peterS also enjoys walking on hot coals |
| 21:15.39 | peterS | Guerin: 'cause I need testers for my experimental subversion package (: |
| 21:15.55 | Guerin | peterS: oh, you have ulterior motives. You fiend, you. |
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| 21:16.12 | abrotman | peterS: isn't that what ubuntu is for? :) |
| 21:16.32 | peterS | abrotman: I don't think apache 2.2 is going into edgy, so in this case they can't help me (: |
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| 21:16.59 | Guerin | edgy = dapper++? |
| 21:17.00 | sid | Is there a gui report bug? Or web based reportbug? |
| 21:17.04 | peterS | Guerin: yeah |
| 21:17.10 | sid | (like bugzilla) |
| 21:17.10 | abrotman | sid: are you serious? |
| 21:17.13 | Guerin | sid: your mail client of choice |
| 21:17.20 | UncleD | peterS: will this work on ubuntu? |
| 21:17.22 | peterS | Guerin: I forget the animal name that starts with e, but it's not one I would have thought of, like egret or emu |
| 21:17.24 | Guerin | sid: no, there is no web-based reportbug |
| 21:17.30 | Guerin | echidna? |
| 21:17.33 | DocOC | Edgy Elk? |
| 21:17.33 | peterS | UncleD: you're using ubuntu? it probably will work, but I really have no idea |
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| 21:17.59 | sid | Aren't there plans to make a gui front end for reportbug, I thought I saw something about that a few months back |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:18.04 | UncleD | peterS: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse experimental |
| 21:18.09 | Guerin | sid: what would be the point? |
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| 21:18.09 | UncleD | peterS: unfortunately that didnt seem to work |
| 21:18.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | hahah |
| 21:18.21 | peterS | UncleD: no, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main |
| 21:18.22 | sid | Guerin: So users can more easily file bugs? |
| 21:18.24 | Guerin | UncleD: you're too stupid to run debian. |
| 21:18.30 | abrotman | UncleD: dpkg -l libc6 .. what does it say ? |
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| 21:18.49 | Guerin | sid: what's more easy than typing 'reportbug' and entering the relevant information as prompted? |
| 21:18.53 | peterS | UncleD: this is why we don't support ubuntu and we get annoyed when people "forget" to tell us they're running ubuntu. because then our advice frequently doesn't work. |
| 21:19.09 | sid | Guerin: A gui that does the same thing? |
| 21:19.10 | DocOC | Guerin: I don't see any reason to insult the man. |
| 21:19.29 | peterS | right, don't insult The Man, defy The Man! |
| 21:19.49 | Shadowcat | you know |
| 21:19.55 | BlackDragon42 | No need for insults here! |
| 21:19.59 | Shadowcat | I don't see why ubuntu users don't keep to their OWN FREAKING CHANNEL |
| 21:20.09 | Guerin | sid: well, if you can be bothered sinking a few dozen hours into coding, fixing, documenting and packaging it, and then a few hundred hours defending your choice of language, toolkit and design concept, be my guest. |
| 21:20.14 | Shadowcat | I mean did I miss something or do we not have an #ubuntu channel around here? |
| 21:20.19 | Guerin | but I can see why other devs might not be arsed. |
| 21:20.29 | Shadowcat | I don't see why they have to crowd our channel |
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| 21:20.39 | Shadowcat | or is the incompetence in #ubuntu just too much to stand? |
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| 21:21.02 | DocOC | !start a distro war |
| 21:21.03 | dpkg | Gentoo rocks! |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | gravity: but we need some silly accelerated X thingy! |
| 21:21.29 | fluvvell | mm, warming up in here. the odd flicker... |
| 21:21.29 | BlackDragon42 | The thing of it is, like it or not, Ubantu is based on Debian. |
| 21:21.36 | peterS | hmmm. pondering !no, start a distro war is <reply>Or don't. |
| 21:21.47 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: it is NOT debian .. it is NOT supported here .. |
| 21:21.58 | Guerin | BlackDragon42: mazda is based on ford, what's your point? |
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| 21:22.30 | Shadowcat | BlackDragon42: we don't give a damn if it's based on debian, it's NOT the debian main tree, hence we don't support it |
| 21:22.33 | Shadowcat | and that's the end of it |
| 21:22.34 | streuner | hm |
| 21:22.54 | Shadowcat | you don't go into #redhat asking about Mandrake |
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| 21:22.54 | peterS | BlackDragon42: you just saw what happens when we try to help an ubuntu user. we give an answer that probably won't work for them. it wastes our time and theirs. |
| 21:22.55 | BlackDragon42 | I said "based on". I do understand that it isn't, but some people may feel that they aren't getting adequate help at #ubantu, so they come here. |
| 21:22.58 | Shadowcat | "But it's based on red hat" |
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| 21:23.10 | DocOC | Shadowcat: peters has the right to advise anyone he wants on installing packages that he maintains. |
| 21:23.10 | Shadowcat | BlackDragon42: that's really not our problem |
| 21:23.29 | BlackDragon42 | True, but that's what happens. |
| 21:23.31 | Shadowcat | DocOC: I don't see him advising any ubuntu user |
| 21:23.33 | Guerin | abrotmandregs! |
| 21:23.35 | streuner | Do we really need another discussion about? |
| 21:23.42 | Shadowcat | BlackDragon42: we don't need to tell you waht happens, WE KNOW |
| 21:23.44 | Guerin | watch out for thebits of cheesesteak floatin gin there |
| 21:24.00 | jair | sergino: estas qui? |
| 21:24.03 | jair | aqui? |
| 21:24.05 | Shadowcat | and we don't need a bloody explanation either since we've already heard them all |
| 21:24.06 | Shadowcat | !es |
| 21:24.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:24.10 | jair | sergino: hello? |
| 21:24.17 | maher | fluvvell: have you seen my dip bottle? |
| 21:24.19 | sergino | hello jair |
| 21:24.29 | Shadowcat | meanwhile, Ubuntu users are most likely to troll ##windows as well |
| 21:24.32 | jair | sergino: you have to register with freenode |
| 21:24.33 | UncleD | BlackDragon42: that's pretty much the case. #ubuntu doesn't provide adequate help. My problem was not being clear int he beginning with peterS |
| 21:24.40 | peterS | UncleD: anyway - did it work? |
| 21:24.49 | peterS | UncleD: I mean with the sources.list line I gave you |
| 21:24.50 | BlackDragon42 | That is very true. |
| 21:24.52 | Shadowcat | and we beat them down to the insignificant pulps they are in about 10 min, and then proced to ban them |
| 21:24.55 | jair | sergino: let me help you one sec |
| 21:25.03 | jair | sergino: one moment |
| 21:25.03 | peterS | Shadowcat: enough |
| 21:25.03 | Shadowcat | proceed* |
| 21:25.08 | DocOC | Shadowcat: and freebsd users are most likely to troll #linux. Your point? |
| 21:25.08 | Guerin | there's a windows irc channel? |
| 21:25.08 | fluvvell | maher: no, head still spinning distro way den datro way... |
| 21:25.12 | sergino | jair: ok |
| 21:25.21 | peterS | Shadowcat: we don't hate ubuntu users in here, we only get annoyed when they ask ubuntu questions |
| 21:25.24 | Guerin | people who needs help with windows know how to use irc??? |
| 21:25.28 | sid | Guerin: It's already on the way --> http://blog.philkern.de/archives/177-First-SoC-status-report-Reportbug-Gnome2-GUI.html |
| 21:25.35 | Shadowcat | peterS: I'm starting to hate them to be quite honest |
| 21:25.39 | Shadowcat | they can't even troll properly |
| 21:25.43 | Guerin | sid: woo. |
| 21:25.44 | Kerr | ugh |
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| 21:25.53 | Kerr | flameflameflame. must be !sunday |
| 21:25.57 | fluvvell | peterS: so its ok if they ask general GNU/Linux or system questions? |
| 21:26.00 | Guerin | sid: gnome, how typical. |
| 21:26.03 | UncleD | peterS: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org experimental Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | fluvvell: not really |
| 21:26.13 | Guerin | oh, is it still sunday? |
| 21:26.14 | streuner | peterS: any explantation starts another discussions, so it seems to me... |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | does ubuntu have apt-gpg ? |
| 21:26.26 | streuner | s/discussions/discussion/ |
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| 21:26.28 | BlackDragon42 | There are similarities between the *BSDs and *NIXes, so some things will work. |
| 21:26.33 | Guerin | abrotman: #ubuntu |
| 21:26.39 | streuner | true :-) |
| 21:26.44 | streuner | that's enough |
| 21:26.44 | peterS | UncleD: that's to be expected, your apt isn't configured to know about the archive signatures from Debian. you can ignore it unless you're really paranoid about getting corrupt packages |
| 21:26.55 | abrotman | Guerin: i honestly don't care .. i'm asking about the ubuntu boy's issue |
| 21:26.56 | thegve | Guerin: I know how to use IRC and I always break windows... Lucky for my the only thing I do once in the 14 days are a few games on windows... |
| 21:27.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:27.15 | Shadowcat | although I gotta admit |
| 21:27.16 | streuner | abrotman: he answered you... |
| 21:27.22 | abrotman | he who ? |
| 21:27.25 | sid | Guerin: I bet it's in sid within a couple months from now. |
| 21:27.32 | streuner | Guerin |
| 21:27.34 | Shadowcat | some people here over at freenode wouldn't know how to edit a start menu to save their own lives |
| 21:27.35 | Shadowcat | :/ |
| 21:27.36 | thegve | Guerin: But then again. I can't be bothered fixing Windows problems. Bad for my heart.. |
| 21:27.36 | Guerin | i've been stuck on windows constantly since my laptop died in Sai Gon on about the 20th of April |
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| 21:27.38 | Shadowcat | which is sad really |
| 21:27.55 | BlackDragon42 | I do. |
| 21:27.59 | streuner | well, to be honest, i want to answer the same way, but Guerin was faster ;-) |
| 21:28.02 | Shadowcat | there's very little to fix in Windows |
| 21:28.09 | Shadowcat | there's a lot to be said about user stupidity |
| 21:28.21 | vertigo | hello |
| 21:28.30 | BlackDragon42 | Linux is for nerds! |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | streuner: no he didn't he redirected me .. and i honestly don't give a shit |
| 21:28.37 | holycow | little to fix in windows? |
| 21:28.38 | vertigo | can any of you give me some pointers on getting dig and nslookup for debian? |
| 21:28.45 | streuner | abrotman: ok |
| 21:28.47 | abrotman | install them .. use them |
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| 21:28.48 | Guerin | vertigo: install dnsutils |
| 21:28.48 | holycow | windows should just be scrapped, its an abomination of an os |
| 21:28.53 | peterS | the real problem is that our Master Plan To Eliminate The Worst Of Our Support Burden By Creating A Distro Called "Ubuntu" To Siphon Them Off has maily failed |
| 21:29.02 | Guerin | oh god, not this flamewar again |
| 21:29.04 | holycow | they should just start over and do it right |
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| 21:29.06 | vertigo | ok thanks guerin |
| 21:29.09 | streuner | argh |
| 21:29.11 | Guerin | peterS: haha |
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| 21:29.18 | vertigo | couldnt find any package names |
| 21:29.45 | BlackDragon42 | How about not having a flamewar, hmm? |
| 21:29.46 | holycow | Guerin, traveling in vietnam? cool |
| 21:29.48 | elai | does anyone know how to undelete an intact reiserfs partition in a hard-drive's unallocated partioning space? |
| 21:29.49 | UncleD | peterS: http://rafb.net/paste/results/JJupz514.html |
| 21:29.50 | holycow | how do you like it? |
| 21:30.13 | Guerin | elai: you mean you deleted it in a partitioning program? |
| 21:30.32 | Guerin | elai: deleted the whole partition, i mean |
| 21:30.45 | Shadowcat | he nuked a superblock I guess |
| 21:30.50 | Shadowcat | just a matter of restoring it |
| 21:30.51 | peterS | UncleD: the libc6 dependency, I don't know what you should do about that. apparently debian unstable has a newer libc6 than whatever ubuntu version you are using. the libsvn1 one is easier, you just have to specify "libsvn1/experimental" on the same command line |
| 21:31.17 | elai | guerin: just deleted it's entry in fdisk, no actual writing in the partition space |
| 21:31.28 | Guerin | elai: just quit fdisk |
| 21:31.32 | thegve | I have 2 ubuntu desktops at home and 1 debian server. At work we have 5 ubuntu desktops and 4 debian servers... Debian is just at best as a server in my opinion. Using ubuntu as a server seams so second best and strange, to not rely on a proven system... (so far my point in the distro talk..) |
| 21:31.38 | elai | guerin: it was already saved |
| 21:31.54 | peterS | UncleD: you _can_ install libc6 from experimental as well, but then you get a prerelease of libc6 2.4, which you may or may not wish to mess with |
| 21:31.58 | holycow | thegve, i think you are miscategorizing the software a bit |
| 21:31.58 | elai | guerin: after the fact |
| 21:32.01 | Guerin | elai: oh. Shadowcat might know how to restore a superblock; I don't/ |
| 21:32.25 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu owns! |
| 21:32.29 | streuner | haha |
| 21:32.33 | thegve | lol |
| 21:32.39 | holycow | thegve, ubuntu freezes off of unstable every 6 months. there is no way one can say that running a server from frozen unstable packages is a sane thing to do |
| 21:32.44 | elai | shadowcat: how do you restore a superblock? |
| 21:33.07 | UncleD | peterS: what are teh consequences of installing libc6? |
| 21:33.09 | elai | shadowcat: which already has another partition table written over it? |
| 21:33.11 | peterS | bah. two !start a distro war instances in 10 minutes. enough is enough. |
| 21:33.14 | peterS | !no start a distro war is <reply> Yeah ... or don't. |
| 21:33.14 | streuner | there is a factoid, maybe it helps |
| 21:33.14 | dpkg | okay, peterS |
| 21:33.17 | thegve | holycow: Exactly my point, I say "ubuntu desktops" and "debian servers" |
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| 21:33.20 | abrotman | UncleD: stuff may never work correctly again |
| 21:33.23 | streuner | !superblock |
| 21:33.24 | dpkg | The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. |
| 21:33.27 | holycow | thegve, *nod* |
| 21:33.35 | Shadowcat | !undelete start a distro war |
| 21:33.36 | dpkg | Shadowcat: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 21:33.40 | UncleD | abrotman: so basically im screwed |
| 21:33.40 | peterS | UncleD: the problem with libc6 is that it's a central library for your whole system - if it breaks, _everything_ breaks. |
| 21:33.46 | Shadowcat | !start a distro war |
| 21:33.46 | dpkg | Yeah ... or don't. |
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| 21:33.49 | UncleD | peterS: yea i cant do that |
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| 21:33.53 | Shadowcat | damnit, peterS stop breaking classic defs |
| 21:33.58 | Shadowcat | !beat peterS |
| 21:34.03 | peterS | Shadowcat: it's been invoked twice in 10 minutes. enough is enough. |
| 21:34.12 | Shadowcat | that one's a classic |
| 21:34.14 | BlackDragon42 | You see, even though Debian may be "out of date", per se, it is very safe to run. |
| 21:34.16 | Shadowcat | you can't just remove it! |
| 21:34.25 | Shadowcat | fix it! |
| 21:34.25 | streuner | he cannot? |
| 21:34.26 | abrotman | so get it from another bot |
| 21:34.28 | matadon | Any reason why firewall logs spew across the console? I've set syslog-ng to only store them in a file, and even if I shut down logging, the console floods with anything tagged with -j LOG in iptables. |
| 21:34.32 | matadon | Any idea why? |
| 21:34.41 | BlackDragon42 | "Bleeding Edge" software doesn't suit me. |
| 21:34.43 | holycow | well i wouldn't call debian out of date, i would say users expectations are based on unrealistic and unresearched opinions |
| 21:34.46 | peterS | yeah we have several near-clone bots floating around, most of them still have your classic definition in them |
| 21:34.47 | amphi | matadon: try dmesg -n1 |
| 21:34.52 | Shadowcat | to whoever nuked their reiserfs partition |
| 21:35.01 | Shadowcat | you need to read the resiserfs-progs man pages |
| 21:35.05 | Shadowcat | one of them will contain what you need |
| 21:35.12 | holycow | debian follows a very good dev / distribution process that probably more projectgs should |
| 21:35.52 | matadon | amphi: ? Doesn't dmesg just display bits of the kernel log? |
| 21:36.00 | BlackDragon42 | holycow: I'm just saying that there are many users who like the newest, and usually not thouroughly tested, software. |
| 21:36.02 | abrotman | fixed .. stop your whining .. stop using it .. stop with the ubuntu crap |
| 21:36.14 | holycow | BlackDragon42, yeah, indeed |
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| 21:36.28 | UncleD | peterS: im not sure what to do. All im tryiing to accomplish is to get the proper .so file for svn for apache 2.2 w/ ubuntu ;| |
| 21:36.35 | amphi | matadon: man dmesg ;) |
| 21:36.40 | elai | ok, thanks |
| 21:36.44 | DocOC | come on guys, we are better than this. We now have about 15 minutes of trashing another distro. How useless is that? |
| 21:36.52 | abrotman | it's OT to start with |
| 21:37.00 | matadon | amphi: Did that, nothing about '-n'. |
| 21:37.01 | Shadowcat | DocOC: a lot better than having 30 min of it |
| 21:37.02 | Guerin | yeah, I go away and have a cup of tea, and it's still going when I come back |
| 21:37.16 | Shadowcat | Guerin: well wake stew up then |
| 21:37.22 | streuner | no doubt |
| 21:37.22 | matadon | amphi: Wait, crap, that was on my BSD box. *grin* Let's use the right shell this time... |
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| 21:37.31 | amphi | matadon: heh |
| 21:37.33 | Shadowcat | or amee2k |
| 21:37.36 | Guerin | Shadowcat: weh? |
| 21:37.37 | BlackDragon42 | Each distro has its positives and negatives, the same with Debian. |
| 21:37.38 | peterS | UncleD: what you're trying to do is get subversion to work with a version of apache that neither Debian nor Ubuntu support. |
| 21:37.54 | matadon | amphi: Thanks. |
| 21:37.58 | Shadowcat | BlackDragon42: as I said, we don't care about what positives/negatives other distros have |
| 21:38.01 | streuner | BlackDragon42: you'll tell us :-) |
| 21:38.03 | magyar | off topic, I am looking for a firefox extension that would block annoying flash advertising (in page)? |
| 21:38.04 | amphi | matadon: yw |
| 21:38.08 | Shadowcat | we support ONE distro, that's it |
| 21:38.13 | matadon | At least I didn't try to log in as 'rooot' this time. |
| 21:38.26 | Shadowcat | if you come in here asking questions for another be ready to be sawed in half while alive and flogged |
| 21:38.28 | abrotman | Shadowcat: well .. we might support debian/bsd :) |
| 21:38.33 | thegve | Nothing wrong in comparing distro's I think. Just ranting and talking bullshit is boring. Opinions are always interesting... |
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| 21:38.50 | UncleD | peterS: yes, that's what im trying tod o :) |
| 21:38.56 | peterS | thegve: no, opinions are _not_ always interesting. sometimes they get very tedious. |
| 21:39.10 | abrotman | thegve: happens here every day .. gets old |
| 21:39.16 | peterS | UncleD: why do you need apache 2.2, anyway? if you go back to apache 2.0, all your problems will disappear. |
| 21:39.18 | BlackDragon42 | Well, I'm just saying that people may say bad things about other distros here, but the people who use those distros may say bad things about Debian. |
| 21:39.26 | UncleD | peterS: because I need Load Balancing |
| 21:39.26 | amphi | magyar: there is one, that turns flash into a button that you must click to run the thing |
| 21:39.34 | BlackDragon42 | That's all. |
| 21:39.40 | Shadowcat | BlackDragon42: umm let's see, 1) We don't care 2) See one |
| 21:39.41 | thegve | Shadowcat: I have strange hobbies. How do I start runlevel 2 in Fedora? |
| 21:39.46 | thegve | lol |
| 21:39.48 | UncleD | peterS: I know. it worked fine on apache 2.0. I needed mod_proxy_balance, a 2.2 apache feature |
| 21:39.50 | amphi | BlackDragon42: who cares what they say? ;) |
| 21:40.01 | Shadowcat | thegve: the same way you do it in any other distro |
| 21:40.01 | magyar | amphi: do you recall the name? |
| 21:40.11 | peterS | UncleD: maybe you can ask infinity (Adam Conrad, my counterpart in ubuntuland) whether he has got libapache2-svn for apache 2.2 for ubuntu sitting around anywhere |
| 21:40.11 | Shadowcat | but runlevel 2 in fedora is utterly useless |
| 21:40.23 | BlackDragon42 | True. Just giving a view looking from the outside. |
| 21:40.25 | thegve | Shadowcat: It was a joke..... ok... |
| 21:40.27 | amphi | magyar: no - flash killer or summat - you'll find it in the customary place, I expect |
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| 21:40.38 | Shadowcat | BlackDragon42: see my previous statement |
| 21:40.56 | peterS | UncleD: or if you want to install libc6 from debian unstable, that can be arranged. add a debian unstable line to sources.list and 'apt-get install libc6/unstable' |
| 21:41.01 | peterS | UncleD: libc6 from unstable is less risky than libc6 from experimental |
| 21:41.03 | magyar | amphi: thanks |
| 21:41.09 | DocOC | Shadowcat: multi-user, no network? |
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| 21:41.17 | peterS | UncleD: but it's still something I'd think hard about if this is some sort of production server |
| 21:41.23 | thegve | Shadowcat: Hence the question was about the stupidiest one I could think of.. |
| 21:41.26 | amee2k_ | hm...? |
| 21:41.31 | amee2k_ | who said my name? |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | which .. who runs ubuntu on production servers .. that's just crazy :) |
| 21:41.52 | Shadowcat | thegve: no, the most stupid question is "Which is the best Linux distro" |
| 21:41.58 | amee2k_ | Shadowcat: wazzup? |
| 21:42.08 | thegve | abrotman: I run one as a thin client, well not yet, still in development.. |
| 21:42.11 | Shadowcat | because you utterly start a two hour war in most channels and then in the end you still have nothing to show for it |
| 21:42.16 | peterS | UncleD: you can also try to compile the debian experimental subversion version on your machine. I can think of a couple reasons this might not be trivial, but I also won't help you with it, since it's way outside the realm of things I feel like I need to support |
| 21:42.18 | micky | hello, i'm trying to write a cv in english to a company from denmark.. if there is anyone here from denmark and would like to help with some tips with this i would greatly apriciate it, sorry for the offtopic question. |
| 21:42.23 | thegve | abrotman: thin client server I mean.. |
| 21:42.25 | abrotman | thegve: what? |
| 21:42.32 | thegve | abrotman: ubuntu |
| 21:42.39 | holycow | abrotman, absolutely, i agree its nuts |
| 21:42.40 | Shadowcat | amee2k_: you missed the whole other distro bashing discussion |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | thegve: what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 21:43.00 | thegve | abrotman: which .. who runs ubuntu on production servers .. that's just crazy :) |
| 21:43.01 | holycow | i don't get why ubuntu just goes okay we will freeze stable as server and support that, for desktop just keep on going |
| 21:43.02 | amee2k_ | lol |
| 21:43.15 | abrotman | thegve: then you're crazy .. not a big deal .. i drive 100mph to work :) |
| 21:43.19 | holycow | then debian could get at least canonical as a support offering (besides the hp thing recently announced) |
| 21:43.25 | amee2k_ | well, since i use so many distros now i stopped bashing most distros |
| 21:43.29 | Shadowcat | honestly I don't give a damn about what production processes they have other there in South Africa |
| 21:43.36 | Shadowcat | but in here, it's debian, and no other distro |
| 21:43.42 | Shadowcat | if you don't like that don't come here |
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| 21:43.45 | amee2k_ | maybe i'll come to like them, who knows ^_^ |
| 21:44.03 | Shadowcat | I even support ubuntu in another channel I'm in |
| 21:44.05 | magyar | amphi: flashblock. Sid-amd64 is nice. No need to worry about flash, unlike 32bit port |
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| 21:44.15 | amee2k_ | hehe |
| 21:44.21 | amee2k_ | i'm running it, even on a server |
| 21:44.36 | DocOC | I like it much better in here late-night, when I can actually help people. |
| 21:44.40 | holycow | amee2k, you feel comfy running unstable packages on a server? |
| 21:44.47 | abrotman | DocOC: dunno .. it was the same last night |
| 21:44.48 | thegve | HP doesn't even support debian yet, called them last week to test it, a bit for fun... Solved the problem I had with collegeaus in a few hours.... |
| 21:44.49 | Shadowcat | I run unstable on a server |
| 21:44.50 | amee2k_ | and it works great so far |
| 21:44.55 | peterS | so yeah, this isn't #ubuntu-advocacy. we have already said all there is to say. now EVERYONE SHUT UP ABOUT UBUNTU, at least for the next 5 minutes. please. |
| 21:44.59 | sid | magyar: There is gnash for 64 bit, and powerpc and many other architectures. That plays flash fine for me |
| 21:44.59 | sid | !gnash |
| 21:44.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ... |
| 21:45.00 | holycow | i'm just curious how people can think its acceptable |
| 21:45.05 | Shadowcat | but I know wtf I'm doing |
| 21:45.05 | mahyar | I wiped out the mbr on an hd of mine. This hd has a whole bunch of data on it on various partitions, how could I scan the hd to find the partitions again? |
| 21:45.11 | DocOC | abrotman: I helped like 10 different people in here last night. |
| 21:45.24 | Shadowcat | holycow: if you know what you're doing you can run experimental and still not run into trouble |
| 21:45.26 | abrotman | DocOC: i noticed you trying to fight through the crap-talk last night |
| 21:45.30 | ttick | Why the heck is it still so hard to get a frigg'n wireless card to work on debian! I'm using WPC11v3. And it's detected as eth1. Only dhclient never finds the AP, which I'm sitting right next to. Suggestions? |
| 21:45.36 | holycow | thegve, hp does support debian according so some press release on their proliant servers ... |
| 21:45.37 | Shadowcat | if you don't know, you could be running whatever and still nuke it |
| 21:45.44 | holycow | i just haven't seen anything on their website to indicate it |
| 21:45.47 | amee2k_ | well, i think for no u***** for 5 mins can-do |
| 21:45.54 | holycow | Shadowcat, maybe |
| 21:46.01 | Shadowcat | ttick: it's not hard to get wireless working in debian |
| 21:46.15 | magyar | sid: how is that beneficial? |
| 21:46.17 | Shadowcat | ttick: and maybe you should take a look at the driver documentation/some guides before basing the os |
| 21:46.30 | thegve | holycow: According to the support engineer it was a pilot and they would most likely be supporting it from november/december.. |
| 21:46.37 | abrotman | DocOC: it's different on different days .. i noticed it was pretty bad most of this weekend |
| 21:46.45 | holycow | thegve, oh is that what it is? |
| 21:46.47 | holycow | interesting |
| 21:46.49 | Shadowcat | Sundays are the worst |
| 21:46.58 | Shadowcat | if you don't like the nonsense that goes on in here on Sundays, just don't come here |
| 21:46.59 | DocOC | abrotman: you're right, I usually can get alot more done on a weeknight. |
| 21:47.00 | Shadowcat | simple |
| 21:47.00 | sid | magyar: It's free software. And you can compile it for 64bit/powerpc etc. |
| 21:47.12 | abrotman | DocOC: it's not like this all weekends |
| 21:47.33 | ttick | Shadowcat: I've been googling for the past hour, reading (often old) docs on the topic. Most deal with not getting to where the hardware can be seen. If you know of a current guide on the topic, I'd love the URL. |
| 21:47.51 | abrotman | ttick: what's the chipset ? |
| 21:47.54 | pst | problem with gnash is it will always lag due to a closed-spec :-/ but only whomever controls flash can be blaimed for that. |
| 21:47.59 | Shadowcat | ttick: the next step would be checking Linux compatibility |
| 21:48.00 | magyar | sid: I look at flash as noise. Advertisers will only abuse it |
| 21:48.04 | DocOC | abrotman: yeah, I know. I'm pretty new to #debian, but I've opped on huge linux channels, and sometimes it's all you can do to keep order. |
| 21:48.14 | abrotman | DocOC: order .. what order? |
| 21:48.17 | ttick | abrotman: Prism/2 |
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| 21:48.29 | abrotman | did you look at prism54.org ? |
| 21:48.35 | pst | magyar, it can also be useful for rich web ui's, several projects do this with flash as an underpinning |
| 21:48.37 | DocOC | abrotman: ok, not order, but less entropy :) |
| 21:48.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:49.05 | ttick | Shadowcat: I had this card working with 2.6.14 since upgrading a bunch of stuff (and to 2.6.17) I can't get the dhclient to find anything. (I don't use the card that often) |
| 21:49.06 | magyar | pst: you mean web2.0 crap |
| 21:49.15 | pst | magyar, not really. web2.0 is just a buzzword. |
| 21:49.26 | ttick | abrotman: I'll check out the prism54.org site |
| 21:49.27 | abrotman | so is flash! :) |
| 21:49.31 | sid | magyar: Well I'm with you. I use flashblock all the time. But for movies flash helps. ie video.google.com |
| 21:49.36 | abrotman | ttick: i'm not sure you need it for your card .. |
| 21:49.38 | pst | abrotman, flash is a media/environment. |
| 21:49.38 | thegve | prism54, that's that pain in the ass wlan thing I have.... Gave up wpa 6 months ago, status any better now? -- back in few minutes by the way... |
| 21:49.50 | abrotman | ttick: it's an 11b card right ? |
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| 21:50.21 | abrotman | oh wait .. i have a prism card! |
| 21:50.31 | DocOC | lol |
| 21:50.34 | pst | *well |
| 21:50.37 | Heimidal | has anyone used the apache2.2 package in experimental? |
| 21:50.39 | abrotman | that's the bad part about your stuff just working .. you forget what it is |
| 21:50.49 | ttick | abrotman: prism54.org seems to be for USB |
| 21:50.51 | magyar | pst: pr0n |
| 21:50.54 | ttick | abrotman: yes, 11b |
| 21:50.59 | abrotman | ttick: and it's usb ? |
| 21:51.00 | peterS | Heimidal: me, but I don't use it for anything important, only for testing subversion in experimental |
| 21:51.05 | abrotman | ttick: or pci ? |
| 21:51.05 | Heimidal | ah |
| 21:51.07 | ttick | abrotman: pcimcia |
| 21:51.09 | Heimidal | hmm |
| 21:51.17 | abrotman | ttick: the card is on .. but not working correctly? |
| 21:51.26 | ttick | abrotman: the old WPC11v3 card from linksys (been around for ages) |
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| 21:51.50 | ttick | abrotman: card is on, detected by the OS properly. dhclient doesn't find anything (and I'm sitting next to the AP) |
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| 21:52.21 | ttick | abrotman: pump -i eth1 responds likewise, of course. |
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| 21:52.37 | abrotman | ttick: uhm .. are you sure eth1 is the wifi ? on mine it's eth0 |
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| 21:52.51 | nvz | ttick: are you sure you are running dhclient on the right interface and that there isnt any authentication or media access control you are overlooking? |
| 21:52.54 | ttick | abrotman: I have a hard-link too (eth0) |
| 21:52.56 | peterS | ttick: is the _card_ able to establish a connection to the AP? like is there a wep password or something you still need? |
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| 21:53.12 | abrotman | or is it restricted by mac ? |
| 21:53.19 | ttick | nvz: it's an open AP. and I'm issuing: dhclient eth1 as my command. |
| 21:53.25 | ttick | peterS: open AP. |
| 21:53.35 | nvz | or not |
| 21:53.49 | twobitsprite | so, I apt-get install xmms, but when I try to open an mp3 I get a dialog that says "failed to open audio output: OSS Driver 1.2.10" |
| 21:53.52 | DocOC | !beer nvz |
| 21:53.57 | peterS | ttick: I don't have any experience with wireless and debian, but I thought a separate connection step was needed instead of or in addition to DHCP |
| 21:54.01 | Shadowcat | twobitsprite: why are you using OSS? |
| 21:54.03 | DocOC | sometimes you get a beer even when you don't win |
| 21:54.04 | abrotman | twobitsprite: are oyu using OSS or alsa ? |
| 21:54.05 | Guerin | twobitsprite: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 21:54.12 | Shadowcat | peterS: I do |
| 21:54.25 | Guerin | oss emulation is a valid thing to use |
| 21:54.28 | twobitsprite | Shadowcat, I dunno, I don't remember installing either |
| 21:54.29 | Shadowcat | it's as simple as (in my case) 1) modprobe ipw2100 2) dhclient eth2 |
| 21:54.42 | Shadowcat | and unless there's a major low level hardware problem |
| 21:54.45 | Shadowcat | that's all you need to do |
| 21:54.56 | DocOC | twobitsprite: you can go into xmms' options and change the output plugin to alsa. That may help. |
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| 21:55.32 | Shadowcat | xmms is notorious for wanting exclusive access to /dev/dsp |
| 21:55.32 | ttick | Shadowcat: again, my hardware finds the card. Brings up the interface (eth1). Just can't find the AP. (and there are 8, 1 strong, 7 weak, signals in the area). |
| 21:55.35 | Shadowcat | which is really bad |
| 21:55.48 | Shadowcat | ttick: did you try a graphical configurator? |
| 21:56.05 | peterS | Shadowcat: so you don't have to specify which wireless network to join, or anything? |
| 21:56.08 | ttick | Shadowcat: nope, which do you suggest? I'm primarly a cli guy. |
| 21:56.31 | Shadowcat | peterS: if I do I use KWifiManager in KDE |
| 21:56.32 | DocOC | ttick: are you seeing the ap you want to use when you do iwlist scan? |
| 21:56.39 | abrotman | iwconfig can do it |
| 21:56.46 | peterS | Shadowcat: but just running dhclient, it just sort of picks one? |
| 21:56.59 | Shadowcat | peterS: usually it gets it right |
| 21:57.05 | abrotman | peterS: if you put which SSID in your interfaces file .. it'll get it |
| 21:57.10 | ttick | DocOC: eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 21:57.34 | abrotman | try with eth0 |
| 21:57.40 | DocOC | ttick: ok, so the problem is lower-level... |
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| 21:57.42 | peterS | ttick: network is down may mean a simple 'ifconfig eth1 up', but I somehow thought dhclient would do that part for you |
| 21:57.47 | BlackDragon41 | I'm back. |
| 21:57.52 | ttick | abrotman: eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. (this is my hardwire eth) |
| 21:57.53 | DocOC | abrotman: the command I gave him should have tried every interface. |
| 21:58.00 | BlackDragon41 | Switched clients... |
| 21:58.02 | abrotman | ttick: just checking :) |
| 21:58.40 | DocOC | peterS: iwlist scan should work while the interface is down. |
| 21:58.53 | ttick | peterS: after ifconfig eth1 up: iwlist scan give: eth1 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 21:59.02 | peterS | oh, I have no idea then |
| 21:59.11 | peterS | this is where my lack of experience with wireless + debian shows |
| 21:59.19 | ttick | peterS: pump is running, if that matters. |
| 21:59.21 | abrotman | does ifconfig -a show anything useful ? |
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| 21:59.37 | ttick | killed pump for now |
| 21:59.39 | DocOC | ttick: stop pump. then try. |
| 21:59.58 | ttick | DocOC: eth1 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable (still) :/ |
| 22:00.11 | ttick | DocOC: I'll unplug then plug-in |
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| 22:00.16 | abrotman | ttick: what modules do you have loaded ? |
| 22:00.20 | DocOC | ttick: ifconfig eth1 down&&iwlist scan |
| 22:00.38 | BlackDragon41 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.53 | twobitsprite | why do the menus and dialogs in xmms looks so ugly... like old-school motif stuff... can that be fixed? |
| 22:01.02 | abrotman | chnage the theme |
| 22:01.14 | DocOC | twobitsprite: gtk1. install a gtk1 theme you like. |
| 22:01.18 | abrotman | oh .. the gtk1 stuff .. |
| 22:01.25 | ttick | DocOC: on plugin: kernel: eth1: Hardware identity 801b:0000:0001:0000, kernel: eth1: Station identity 001f:0002:0001:0004 , kernel: eth1: WEP supported, 104-bit key, kernel: eth1: Station name "Prism I", kernel: eth1: ready |
| 22:01.27 | twobitsprite | ahh |
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| 22:01.37 | Guerin | if you can FIND a gtk1 theme you like |
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| 22:01.53 | twobitsprite | where do I get gtkl themes? |
| 22:01.55 | DocOC | Guerin: 1970_xeno tickles my fancy. |
| 22:01.56 | abrotman | themes.org |
| 22:02.05 | ttick | DocOC: before I bring up the interface: eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 22:02.22 | FlimFlamMan | is there a way for non-root users to see ports that others have open using lsof -i ? |
| 22:02.30 | ttick | DocOC: upon: ifconfig eth1 up I get: Aug 27 18:02:12 underwood kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 22:03.00 | twobitsprite | arg! I unplugged my mouse, and plugged it back in, and it stopped working... |
| 22:03.13 | pst | FlimFlamMan, netstat is great for looking at ports |
| 22:03.14 | DocOC | ttick: very weird. maybe you need to pass some parameter to the module. |
| 22:03.19 | twobitsprite | I hate that, is there any way to reset it, or something, without restarting the computer? |
| 22:03.26 | abrotman | reload the mouse module |
| 22:03.28 | ttick | DocOC: which module should be loaded? |
| 22:03.43 | DocOC | ttick: I don't know. What module is your wireless card using? |
| 22:04.05 | twobitsprite | I can't rmmod it, says its in use... |
| 22:04.12 | ttick | DocOC: not sure, how can I tell? |
| 22:04.17 | abrotman | modprobe -r |
| 22:04.32 | twobitsprite | abrotman, still says in use |
| 22:04.44 | abrotman | i'm just telling you not to use rmmod |
| 22:04.52 | DocOC | ttick: since you just hot-plugged it, it should show up near the top of lsmod |
| 22:04.53 | Guerin | http://www.google.com.ar/search?hl=es&q=google # google.com.ar hax0red |
| 22:05.01 | twobitsprite | abrotman, ahh... know how I can reload it though? |
| 22:05.08 | twobitsprite | maybe kill gpm? |
| 22:05.19 | ttick | DocOC: orinoco_cs |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | Guerin: ? |
| 22:05.19 | twobitsprite | nope... |
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| 22:05.54 | DocOC | ttick: umm, can you run lspci and paste the line which describes your wifi card? |
| 22:06.11 | DSLmaster | can anyone tell me a program that get me access to msn? |
| 22:06.26 | pst | anyone have good luck using vlc to play h264/mpeg4 files? the vlc from sid drops 40-60% of the frames. xine drops less then 5% decoding. I'm on a 1.6Ghz P-M with 1.5GB/ram. I upgraded libavcodec but ldd shows no vlc dependency on it. |
| 22:06.27 | abrotman | amsn .. next time use apt-cache search |
| 22:06.27 | Guerin | abrotman: in english it works, but not in spanish |
| 22:06.29 | DocOC | DSLmaster: gaim |
| 22:06.50 | ttick | DocOC: hmm, none of them seem to. |
| 22:06.59 | abrotman | Guerin: oh |
| 22:07.00 | BlackDragon42 | I'm using gaim right now. |
| 22:07.17 | DocOC | ttick: now that is weird. your pcmcia should be bridged to your pci. |
| 22:07.21 | Guerin | !pity BlackDragon42 |
| 22:07.21 | dpkg | I pity da fool BlackDragon42! |
| 22:07.24 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: as Administrator ? |
| 22:07.34 | ttick | DocOC: dococ: maybe I'm not clear what i'm looking for. |
| 22:07.52 | DocOC | ttick: ok, why don't you pastebin your entire output of lspci |
| 22:08.01 | BlackDragon42 | Just for now. I'm going to use something else. |
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| 22:08.15 | pst | I like kopete. |
| 22:08.19 | ttick | DocOC: on #flood? |
| 22:08.23 | pst | The version from etch is nice. |
| 22:08.31 | DocOC | ttick: use channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:08.38 | abrotman | pst: same libraries as gaim afaik |
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| 22:08.47 | ttick | DocOC okay |
| 22:09.01 | pst | abrotman, much better interface, hasn't given me grief. and xchat for IRC of course... :p |
| 22:09.10 | BlackDragon42 | kopete is good. |
| 22:09.12 | abrotman | gaimm is fine |
| 22:09.31 | ttick | DocOC: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3573. |
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| 22:10.05 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 22:10.05 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 22:10.44 | SpComb | hmm, is it possible to get a Mbit/s figure for a SATA device? |
| 22:10.56 | SpComb | it would be intersting to see what loads my hard drives have |
| 22:11.09 | SpComb | vmstat gives some data, but it's a bit weird |
| 22:11.09 | abrotman | you mean to see what you're actually writing ? |
| 22:11.12 | abrotman | iostat |
| 22:11.29 | DocOC | ttick: you're right, it's not there. is this a pcmcia card or usb or something? |
| 22:11.38 | ttick | DocOC: pcimcia |
| 22:11.40 | abrotman | Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn |
| 22:11.40 | abrotman | hda 6.41 59.52 302.65 2060303 10475536 |
| 22:11.43 | abrotman | SpComb: like that ? |
| 22:12.05 | SpComb | hmm, what kind of figures are those? |
| 22:12.11 | SpComb | /s looks good though |
| 22:12.13 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 22:12.25 | SpComb | well, I'll read the man pages now |
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| 22:12.32 | abrotman | Device: tps MB_read/s MB_wrtn/s MB_read MB_wrtn |
| 22:12.32 | abrotman | hda 6.40 0.03 0.15 1006 5116 |
| 22:12.33 | abrotman | better ? |
| 22:12.46 | SpComb | yes |
| 22:13.16 | ttick | this is really annoying. |
| 22:13.31 | DocOC | ttick: could you eject the card and re-insert it, and pastebin your console output or the end of /var/log/messages or dmesg? |
| 22:14.32 | ttick | DocOC: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3574 |
| 22:14.46 | abrotman | if he usses hwinfo .. it might dump some goodies |
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| 22:15.13 | abrotman | ttick: paste /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:15.15 | ttick | is there an /etc/ file that has WEP and other config things in it? Maybe that's not cleaned out. |
| 22:15.27 | SpComb | abrotman: paste or pastebin? :) |
| 22:15.51 | ttick | abrotman: it only has eth0 in it. |
| 22:15.59 | abrotman | wanna put eth1 in it ? |
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| 22:16.19 | ttick | abrotman: sure. if that'll help |
| 22:16.20 | abrotman | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 22:16.25 | DocOC | ttick: this is the line that bothers me: Aug 27 18:13:45 underwood cardmgr[3011]: + Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1 |
| 22:16.35 | abrotman | you don't have to do the auto line unless you intend to always have it in the laptop |
| 22:16.39 | ttick | DocOC: heh, you too, huh. :/ |
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| 22:17.31 | abrotman | ttick: once that is in there .. try to pump/dhclient again |
| 22:17.49 | abrotman | ttick: might have to reinsert the card |
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| 22:18.37 | ttick | abrotman: I ejected then put it iback in. still: No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 22:18.50 | abrotman | does dmesg still say ti is ignoring it ? |
| 22:19.41 | ttick | abrotman: nope, not ignoring it now. |
| 22:19.58 | abrotman | so both pump and dhclient still don't work ? |
| 22:20.00 | DocOC | good god, was it as simple as editing /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:20.18 | abrotman | ttick: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:20.25 | ttick | DocOC: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3575. |
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| 22:21.06 | abrotman | ttick: you may need to specify the SSID in the interfaces file |
| 22:21.22 | DocOC | ttick: you definitely have progress now. |
| 22:21.47 | abrotman | wireless-essid <YOUR-SSID> |
| 22:21.53 | ttick | abrotman: okay, which file is that? |
| 22:21.54 | DocOC | I'm guessing iwlist scan will work now... |
| 22:22.10 | SpComb | hmm, iostat shows some interesting and weird stuff |
| 22:22.21 | abrotman | ttick: in the interfaces file |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | SpComb: it does :) |
| 22:22.25 | SpComb | await is 5-8ms, but svctm is 161-181ms |
| 22:22.37 | Dan01 | abrotman can i bootup a new kernel without a initrd file? |
| 22:22.39 | pst | is linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 gcc 4.1 yet? (or how can I find out?) |
| 22:22.48 | ttick | abrotman: mind posting your entries (with *** for the SSID) please. So I don't have to look up the syntax right now. |
| 22:22.49 | Dan01 | is it something i need to put into the menu.lst |
| 22:22.55 | Guerin | pst: cat /proc/version |
| 22:23.02 | abrotman | ttick: i just gave it to you :) |
| 22:23.06 | Dan01 | sorry ignore that |
| 22:23.09 | SpComb | so what's the difference between await and svctm? |
| 22:23.11 | pst | Guerin, no way to tell on a non-live kernel? :P |
| 22:23.20 | abrotman | ttick: literally .. under the iface eth1 line .. put the wireless-essid SSID |
| 22:23.29 | ttick | abrotman: lol, okay |
| 22:23.31 | Guerin | pst: nttbomk |
| 22:23.41 | ttick | DocOC: scanning still says: eth1 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 22:23.53 | SpComb | and md devices don't seem to collect statistics, which is a shame |
| 22:24.03 | SpComb | because now I can't tell if the latency comes from md or lvm |
| 22:24.37 | SpComb | I have 8ms raw latency to disk, and my dm-n (which I assume means device-mapper, aka lvm) is 30ms |
| 22:24.52 | ttick | abrotman: hmm. pump still doesn't find anything. |
| 22:24.57 | SpComb | and svctm makes no sense |
| 22:25.22 | abrotman | ttick: /etc/init.d/networking restart .. try again |
| 22:25.43 | SpComb | and there's no way my disk's latency is 8 ms... it should be about 10-12ms |
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| 22:26.13 | ttick | abrotman: done-so. Now I get this: kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 22:26.25 | ttick | abrotman: pumpd[17076]: PUMP: sending discover |
| 22:26.28 | hobophobe | Okay. I've got a source package and a diff.gz that goes with it. How do I need to apply the patch before I proceed to build the package? |
| 22:26.31 | SpComb | woah... I'm getting figures on the order of 9223372036811482.00 for avgqu-sz... bug? |
| 22:26.32 | abrotman | ttick: might have to wait a moment .. it's pcmcia |
| 22:26.41 | enouf | SpComb: checked into sdparm? once installed see /usr/share/doc/sdparm/sdparm.html |
| 22:26.45 | DocOC | ttick: kill pump. You are trying to run 2 dhcp clients at oncee. |
| 22:26.46 | SpComb | seems a bit high for sector size... I wonder how many PB that is |
| 22:27.03 | abrotman | DocOC: doulbe the pleasure ? |
| 22:27.14 | DocOC | double the pump |
| 22:27.16 | ttick | DocOC: pump killed. awaiting instructions. :/ |
| 22:27.33 | DocOC | ttick: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:27.34 | SpComb | avgqu-sz = The average queue length of the requests that were issued to the device. = 9223372036811482.00 |
| 22:27.38 | SpComb | riiiiight :) |
| 22:27.43 | ttick | DocOC: restarted |
| 22:27.55 | ttick | DocOC: doesn't mention eth1 on the restart (in syslog) |
| 22:27.59 | abrotman | though .. after all the messing with modules etc .. he uh .. might want to .. uh .. restart |
| 22:28.05 | DocOC | ttick: not still trying to find the dhcp offer? |
| 22:28.10 | DocOC | ifconfig |
| 22:28.13 | ttick | DocOC: yes. |
| 22:28.29 | DocOC | does it show eth1 being up? |
| 22:28.30 | ttick | DocOC: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:06:25:0B:CA:2C (but no IP address) |
| 22:28.41 | DocOC | ttick: try, ifup eth1 |
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| 22:29.10 | ttick | DocOC: dococ: okay, trying to discover, not finding anything |
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| 22:29.33 | abrotman | ttick: when that is done .. try iwlist |
| 22:29.33 | DocOC | ttick: after about 3 tries, stop it with ctrl-c. then try iwlist scan again. |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | jinx! |
| 22:30.00 | hobophobe | http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2006/04/21/building-modified-debian-packages/ |
| 22:30.02 | hobophobe | Thanks |
| 22:30.10 | ttick | DocOC: eth1 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 22:30.18 | ttick | DocOC: again. |
| 22:31.00 | abrotman | you know .. forwhatever reason .. my orinoco/prism requires the hermes driver to be loaded |
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| 22:31.12 | Dan01 | yay!!! i got it working |
| 22:31.21 | ttick | abrotman: yes, mine does too. (listed in lsmod) |
| 22:31.27 | Dan01 | 2.6.17.11 and usb all working |
| 22:31.27 | rozallin | Hello. |
| 22:31.28 | abrotman | ok |
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| 22:32.11 | Bushmills | Dan01: ported 2.6.17 to the pic mirocontroller? |
| 22:32.31 | DocOC | ttick: I'm looking up that error, brb |
| 22:32.32 | jelly-ho | is there a way to find out how much i/o a process does? |
| 22:33.07 | ttick | DocOC: in the sake of full disclosure, I have my eth0 hooked up right now (using that to chat) for the same AP that I'm trying to discover. I expect I'd get a discover hit, but would cause routing issues to hold 2 IPs on the same router. And I expect that to kill me, or something. |
| 22:33.34 | SpComb | enouf: nope, just gives me some "Invalid command operation code" stuff from my SATA disks... |
| 22:34.02 | abrotman | ttick: only one owuld get the route |
| 22:34.12 | abrotman | without more fooling around |
| 22:34.37 | jelly-ho | ttick: how is the security on your ap configured? wep, wpa,...? |
| 22:34.51 | abrotman | open |
| 22:34.56 | jelly-ho | oh |
| 22:34.59 | Dan01 | sorry bushills |
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| 22:35.05 | Dan01 | bushmills* |
| 22:35.38 | ttick | jelly-ho: no security on the AP |
| 22:35.44 | Dan01 | i don;t know what that means |
| 22:35.54 | Bushmills | Dan01: don't worry |
| 22:35.56 | Dan01 | ok |
| 22:36.06 | Dan01 | its nota debian kernel anyway |
| 22:36.14 | ttick | jelly-ho: 1) trying to eliminate variables. 2) never figured out how to get WPA running on my card. :/ |
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| 22:36.47 | mike__ | Why isn't kompmgr in the debian repositories? |
| 22:36.56 | abrotman | compmgr ? |
| 22:37.04 | mike__ | well...kompmgr |
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| 22:37.08 | mike__ | it's supposed to come with kwin |
| 22:37.13 | mike__ | It's for KDE, whatever it is. |
| 22:37.29 | magyar | looking for the name of the package for plash playback (GPL)? |
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| 22:37.37 | jelly-ho | !find bin/kompmgr sarge |
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| 22:37.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/kompmgr' returned no results. |
| 22:37.53 | DocOC | ttick: I'm starting to suspect maybe you need firmware? |
| 22:37.56 | abrotman | mike-zed: which version of debian ? |
| 22:38.05 | abrotman | DocOC: really doubtful .. it's an older card |
| 22:38.08 | jelly-ho | mike__: well, it is in kwin ... in etch. |
| 22:38.19 | ttick | DocOC: it's an older card. And it has worked before. |
| 22:38.29 | ttick | DocOC: back in 2.6.14 or something |
| 22:38.40 | ttick | DocOC: lots of apt-get upgrades since then :/ |
| 22:38.43 | abrotman | ttick: make eth1 auto .. and restart the machien |
| 22:38.49 | abrotman | erm .. and make eth0 not auto |
| 22:39.09 | mike-zed | mike__, <abrotman> mike-zed: which version of debian ? <-- i think that was supposed for you :> |
| 22:39.10 | ttick | abrotman: hmm, just put auto at the end of the /e/n/interfaces line? |
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| 22:39.33 | abrotman | mike-zed: yes .. thank you |
| 22:39.38 | magyar | how can i watch google video with sid amd64? |
| 22:39.55 | ttick | abrotman: nvm, found it. Okay, I'll reboot and be back . . . or not. |
| 22:39.57 | abrotman | ttick: no .. 'auto eth1' on a line of its own .. and |
| 22:39.57 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:40.00 | mike__ | I don't know |
| 22:40.03 | hobophobe | You'll need to run a 32-bit userspace to get Flash 7 to work, magyar. |
| 22:40.07 | abrotman | ttick: you undersatnd how to make eth0 not auto ? |
| 22:40.19 | hobophobe | Alternatively, if you can see the download links you could download the files and watch them in your favorite player. |
| 22:40.20 | ttick | abrotman: the magic '#' character. |
| 22:40.26 | abrotman | ttick: and reverse it all so you can get back :) |
| 22:40.30 | abrotman | ttick: and bring logs! |
| 22:40.39 | hobophobe | gonna go see if this module works |
| 22:40.40 | ttick | abrotman: okay-dokie |
| 22:40.47 | DocOC | abrotman: do you have a file hermes.cfg in /etc/pcmcia? |
| 22:41.05 | magyar | hobophobe: a few minutes ago a fellow mentiond a gnu flash player that works with google video |
| 22:41.08 | abrotman | DocOC: mine is minipci |
| 22:41.15 | DocOC | s/hermes\.cfg/hermes\.conf/ |
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| 22:41.27 | DocOC | abrotman: ahh. |
| 22:41.45 | Heimidal | has anyone had any problems installing the mysql-server-5.0 package? |
| 22:42.32 | mike__ | I think I have stable |
| 22:42.40 | pstickne | anyone have problems with differences in resolution and display resolution in mp4 files in vlc? it's a 834x464 res, but display res is 52x29, so if you can guess what the output is like... |
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| 22:43.49 | abrotman | magyar: might be gnash |
| 22:44.02 | abrotman | magyar: though i know flash7 from adobe works |
| 22:44.17 | De_Mon | are files encoded with lame subject to mp3 licensing? |
| 22:45.25 | Guerin | De_Mon: there is no such thing as 'mp3 licensing' |
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| 22:46.10 | magyar | abrotman: thats it, gnash, thanks |
| 22:46.17 | abrotman | De_Mon: you'd do better to ask either the lame develoeprs or the poeple who license mp3 encoders |
| 22:46.37 | Guerin | De_Mon: if you want to know whether they're covered by fraunhofer's patents, or if fraunhofer owns them, then the answer is no, but you or your distributor may be in breach for using or distributing lame |
| 22:46.38 | ttick | abrotman: didn't work. What would you guys like to see from the logs? |
| 22:47.05 | abrotman | i think DocOC wants to see it all |
| 22:47.14 | ttick | DocOC: syslog? |
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| 22:47.44 | abrotman | ttick: paste it all on one big one if you can |
| 22:48.01 | anapivirtua | Haut les mains, peau de laping ! |
| 22:48.12 | simonrvn | lapin |
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| 22:48.40 | simonrvn | where's that from? :) |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | strange brew! |
| 22:48.54 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 22:49.02 | simonrvn | lapin is rabbit |
| 22:49.36 | simonrvn | so s/he's saying 'put your hands up, rabbit skin!' |
| 22:49.40 | Guerin | mmm, lapin |
| 22:49.40 | enouf | !Clapton !Cream |
| 22:49.46 | ttick | DocOC: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3577 |
| 22:49.52 | abrotman | enouf: wrong strange brew |
| 22:49.59 | De_Mon | Guerin thats what I though. thanks |
| 22:49.59 | enouf | ewww... |
| 22:50.32 | ttick | DocOC: still got the: + Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. :/ |
| 22:50.35 | abrotman | ttick: what is pics ? |
| 22:50.41 | enouf | drinks purer liquors than yeast infested bublbies |
| 22:50.46 | enouf | bubblies |
| 22:51.37 | DocOC | ttick: can you somehow verify if this is correct?: eth1: Firmware determined as Intersil 1.4.2 |
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| 22:52.06 | abrotman | ttick: what if you set all the eth1 stuff manually ? |
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| 22:52.09 | DocOC | man, white on a crt is evil. |
| 22:53.07 | DocOC | ttick: I second abrotman's suggestion: ifconfig eth1 manually. |
| 22:53.16 | abrotman | /var/log/syslog.0:Apr 1 08:03:19 localhost kernel: eth1: Firmware determined as Intersil 1.7.2 |
| 22:53.19 | abrotman | that's what mine says |
| 22:53.26 | abrotman | from syslog btw |
| 22:53.47 | enouf | DocOC: try it on an LCD / TFT why don't ya - you'd swear the sun is 5billion ahead |
| 22:53.49 | ttick | DocOC: okay how do I set it manually? |
| 22:54.53 | DocOC | ttick: choose an ip address within the range that your router assigns, and do ifconfig eth1 <ip address> up |
| 22:54.54 | nvz | I need a damn belt sander or something to pet this damn cat all day |
| 22:55.11 | abrotman | and give it a gateway |
| 22:55.13 | Shadowcat | belt sander to pet a cat? |
| 22:55.27 | enouf | nvz: PorterCable is the best! for that |
| 22:55.27 | nvz | yeah something electric that can stand to stroke it all day |
| 22:55.30 | ttick | DocOC: done, how do I test it? |
| 22:55.37 | nvz | I got better things to do |
| 22:55.41 | DocOC | enouf: I usually look at my laptop lcd, but I decided to set up this 22" crt today and check it out, also so I could easily use my nice ergo keyboard. |
| 22:55.50 | nvz | but listening to it whine at me all day is fucking annoying |
| 22:55.58 | abrotman | ttick: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:56.03 | enouf | nvz: oh ...to stroke -- get it a AA women's thingy :-p |
| 22:56.05 | ttick | DocOC: shall I pull the plug on the hardline? |
| 22:56.17 | ttick | abrotman: which should be auto? |
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| 22:56.30 | nvz | no idea what you mean by that.. and its probably a good thing |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | ttick: eh .. both i guess |
| 22:57.13 | sander_ | what could be wrong when I get: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:57.14 | enouf | DocOC: wow - a 22" LCD ? must be a Sony or NEC ...new / old -- didn't know they still made those radiation emitting devices ... hehehe |
| 22:57.19 | sander_ | when trying to compile a program. |
| 22:57.30 | enouf | DocOC: duh ..22" CRT! |
| 22:57.31 | DocOC | ttick: ifdown eth0; then ping your router (you have no route so that is the only thing you can ping). your connection will go down. after do ifup eth0 and come back and let us know how it worked. |
| 22:57.31 | abrotman | ttick: or just one of your choosing .. though since you're trying to test wifi .. hrm .. |
| 22:57.39 | nvz | Apple makes a 23" Widescreen |
| 22:57.49 | nvz | oh wait thats an LCD |
| 22:57.58 | nvz | didnt realize we were talking CRT |
| 22:57.58 | enouf | nvz: doh! on you |
| 22:58.14 | enouf | nvz: how's your pussy ? |
| 22:58.30 | nvz | seems to be bathing right now |
| 22:58.40 | sander_ | is my system broken? |
| 22:58.41 | enouf | sorry . ...forget that -- bye folks for quite awhile |
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| 22:58.56 | sander_ | which package provides stdio.h? |
| 22:59.08 | abrotman | libc6-dev probably |
| 22:59.09 | Shadowcat | probably libc6-dev |
| 22:59.13 | abrotman | !b-e sander_ |
| 22:59.13 | dpkg | sander_: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 22:59.16 | streuner | !b-e sander_ |
| 22:59.20 | shay | sander_, apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; aptfile search stdio.h |
| 22:59.25 | shay | apt-file, sorry |
| 22:59.26 | Shadowcat | heh there's an echo in here |
| 22:59.31 | Shadowcat | because we all said the same thing |
| 22:59.32 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 22:59.33 | sander_ | whats apt-file? |
| 22:59.50 | abrotman | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search stdio.h |
| 23:00.01 | sander_ | Ah. |
| 23:00.13 | sander_ | to search for a file |
| 23:00.16 | shay | libc6-dev: usr/include/stdio.h |
| 23:00.16 | Heimidal | does anyone know what source I would need to use in order to install mysql-server-5.0? |
| 23:00.57 | ttick | DocOC: didn't work. No route to host. |
| 23:00.59 | Heimidal | I'm running into some dependency problems |
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| 23:01.10 | nvz | ahh! fleas! little buggers! |
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| 23:01.40 | Shadowpillar | how do I calculate the dependencies for a control file when building a package? |
| 23:01.51 | DocOC | ttick: ifconfig eth1 and see if it still holds the ip you assigned to it. |
| 23:01.55 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 23:01.56 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 23:02.48 | ttick | DocOC: yep |
| 23:03.04 | abrotman | ttick: still no go? |
| 23:03.16 | ttick | DocOC: the "link" light is blinking. (still no go, abrotman) |
| 23:03.24 | abrotman | ffs ... |
| 23:03.27 | ttick | damn infuriating. |
| 23:03.30 | abrotman | ttick: uname -a |
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| 23:03.54 | ttick | abrotman: Linux underwood 2.6.17-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Jul 17 12:45:08 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:04.00 | ttick | abrotman: stock |
| 23:04.12 | sander_ | when I try to install libc6-dev.. it comes this message: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3) but 2.3.5-13 is to be installed |
| 23:04.28 | sander_ | seems like the package is broken |
| 23:04.31 | abrotman | ttick: stock sid :) |
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| 23:04.42 | abrotman | sander_: you've mixed versions of debian |
| 23:04.50 | ttick | abrotman: mostly etch, but yeah. kernel sid. :) |
| 23:04.51 | DocOC | damn, I gotta adjust the refresh on this or something. |
| 23:05.13 | sander_ | abrotman, now I got stable. |
| 23:05.16 | abrotman | metal king slimes are fast little buggers |
| 23:05.19 | abrotman | sander_: no you don't |
| 23:05.20 | DocOC | what is that X app for dynamically detecting the correct refresh again? |
| 23:05.24 | sander_ | abrotman, why not? |
| 23:05.30 | abrotman | sander_: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 23:05.31 | nvz | that gave me a cool idea.. build a server farm and name each one after a type of tree and then put a wooden plate from that tree on the front of each one.. then it would be like a server forest :P |
| 23:05.53 | sander_ | ii libc6 2.3.5-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 23:06.28 | sander_ | I just did an dist-upgrade with my stable apt mirrors |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 23:06.37 | sander_ | and 10 packages was installed |
| 23:06.41 | sander_ | nothing more. |
| 23:06.41 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4620 kB, Installed size: 11168 kB |
| 23:06.42 | sander_ | Hm. |
| 23:06.56 | nvz | hell you could put those little letters/numbers from the back of cars on them and name them after cars and have a server junkyard would be more suitable for me.. since all my stuff is trash anyway :P |
| 23:07.20 | sander_ | so I have etch version of libc6? |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | i said that |
| 23:07.41 | sander_ | is it possible to downgrade to stable? |
| 23:08.13 | abrotman | no |
| 23:08.13 | nvz | !info libc6 stable |
| 23:08.13 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 23:08.14 | ttick | okay, so what shall I try next, guys? |
| 23:08.19 | nvz | apperently its an outdated etch version |
| 23:08.21 | ttick | this is kinda silly, no? |
| 23:08.37 | sander_ | nvz, I have no idea how I got that package in my system. |
| 23:08.38 | Heimidal | !info libreadline5 stable |
| 23:08.46 | dpkg | libreadline5: (GNU readline and history libraries, run-time libraries), section libs, is standard. Version: 5.0-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 300 kB |
| 23:08.52 | Heimidal | hrm |
| 23:09.02 | nvz | sander_: having mixed sources.. apt prefers newer versions |
| 23:09.05 | Heimidal | !info libreadline5 etch |
| 23:09.09 | nvz | sander_: you are running etch |
| 23:09.12 | dpkg | libreadline5: (GNU readline and history libraries, run-time libraries), section libs, is standard. Version: 5.1-7 (etch), Packaged size: 254 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 23:09.12 | Hoxzer | >:) |
| 23:09.40 | sander_ | nvz, cat /etc/*version* gives me 3.1 |
| 23:09.42 | DocOC | ttick: I'm sorry, I'm stumped. I'll go eat, and come back, and maybe I'll have some fresh ideas. |
| 23:09.53 | sander_ | is 3.1 etch? |
| 23:09.57 | ttick | dococ okay, thanks for the help, DocOC |
| 23:10.05 | nvz | sander_: that means nothing |
| 23:10.08 | ttick | DocOC: sorry to stump you. |
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| 23:10.22 | ttick | DocOC: it kinda makes me feel better, but in a not so functional way. |
| 23:10.23 | sander_ | nvz, Ok. I atleast have stable apt sources |
| 23:10.23 | nvz | sander_: for one thing etch doesnt have a version, and that file is useless |
| 23:10.24 | abrotman | ttick: also query #wireless |
| 23:10.31 | sander_ | nvz, okok. |
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| 23:10.40 | ttick | abrotman: okay, thanks. |
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| 23:10.47 | nvz | sander_: apperently you dont or you wouldnt have that etch packages on your system |
| 23:11.11 | nvz | sander_: if your system still works then chances are all the rest of your packages are etch too |
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| 23:11.20 | abrotman | ttick: you have pcmciautils installed right ? |
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| 23:11.35 | sander_ | nvz, is it possible to install a backported version of libc6-dev. or something. so I dont have to upgrade all packages to etch? |
| 23:11.57 | sander_ | nvz, my system does work. but not as expected. |
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| 23:12.28 | nvz | sander_: if you build something against sarge's libc6 and you have etch's its probably not going to work right for you |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | ttick: does pcmciactl info .. return anything useful ? |
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| 23:12.52 | sander_ | nvz, thats exactly what's happend. |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | shocker |
| 23:13.16 | nvz | yeah |
| 23:13.20 | nvz | story at 11 |
| 23:13.23 | ttick | abrotman: hmm, aparently, not. What's the package name? |
| 23:13.31 | abrotman | pcmciautils |
| 23:13.40 | nvz | didnt even make the early evening news |
| 23:13.58 | ttick | abrotman: it's installed. hmm, must have mistyped the command |
| 23:14.19 | ttick | abrotman: not on root's path :/ |
| 23:14.29 | sander_ | nvz, aint it possible to install any sarge version of libc6-dev, even an backported (with higher version) when I have etch libc6-dev? |
| 23:14.48 | abrotman | ttick: odd |
| 23:14.52 | ttick | abrotman: could you do a "which" for me. |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | # which pccardctl |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | /sbin/pccardctl |
| 23:15.25 | nvz | oh well I am going back to bed I guess.. I have nothing good to eat and no signs of money anytime soon :P |
| 23:15.29 | Dan01 | !seen troubled |
| 23:15.29 | dpkg | troubled <n=dan@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/troubled> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 14m 6s ago, saying: 'l8r'. |
| 23:15.35 | Dan01 | hm |
| 23:15.40 | ttick | abrotman: hmm, tells about the card: RevA. Which Rev you have? |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | ttick: mine is minipci |
| 23:16.14 | ttick | abrotman: btw: can you suggest a wireless card that has full functionality (WPA, scanning, etc) and isn't any trouble? |
| 23:16.24 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 23:16.24 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 23:16.30 | nvz | actually I think I have hamburger patties frozen but I guess I |
| 23:16.35 | nvz | 'll save em for another day |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | try that site .. orinoco cards are supposed to 'just work' |
| 23:16.39 | ttick | abrotman: at this point I'm willing to shell out cache to get rid of this headache. Thanks. |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | cash |
| 23:16.57 | ttick | abrotman: lol, yeah cach |
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| 23:17.09 | abrotman | pccardctl info .. nothing ? |
| 23:17.13 | abrotman | ttick: cash! :) |
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| 23:17.40 | ttick | abrotman: pccard info gives stuff -- much that we've seen in the logs. |
| 23:17.43 | nvz | ttick: I'll shoot a nail in your hand.. in perspective you wont have a headache anymore |
| 23:18.03 | abrotman | ttick: but there are other items .. like status etc |
| 23:18.24 | ttick | abrotman: hmm, no status, just: PRODID_2="Instant Wireless Network PC Card" etc |
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| 23:18.43 | ttick | abrotman: oh, status: "Subdevice 0 (function 0) bound to driver "orinoco_cs"" |
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| 23:18.55 | ttick | abrotman: 5.0V 16-bit PC Card |
| 23:18.55 | abrotman | yeah .. but that's what it should be |
| 23:18.59 | Frostbite | I've been using Debian for around 5 years and Ubuntu as my desktop for about 3 years. Does anyone know if Ubuntu is, in fact, based on Debian Unstable? If this is the case, I don't see how they can focus on Ubuntu in a server role. I'm only asking here because I've asked on a number of occasions in #ubuntu with no luck :) Thanks. |
| 23:19.10 | Frostbite | *3 months, not 3 years |
| 23:19.37 | abrotman | based on .. yes .. |
| 23:19.40 | abrotman | it is NOT debian |
| 23:19.52 | abrotman | they also have their own patches and developers |
| 23:19.58 | abrotman | so many things from debian do not work on ubuntu |
| 23:20.32 | ttick | abrotman: there really should be a "Linux recommended WIFI card -- does everything, easy to install" *sigh* |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | ttick: mine does :) |
| 23:20.45 | Frostbite | abrotman: I'm fully aware of that. I run debian stable on my servers and will continue to do so and I'm aware of the seperation. I just can't understand how they can release it as stable for a server if they draw packages from unstable. |
| 23:20.54 | ttick | abrotman: yeah, but you're using mine! |
| 23:20.55 | Frostbite | ttick: intel cards or prism54 |
| 23:21.01 | abrotman | Frostbite: people also run gentoo on servers :) |
| 23:21.11 | abrotman | ttick: not exactly though .. it's similar |
| 23:21.15 | Frostbite | abrotman: I see your point :) |
| 23:21.20 | Dan01 | i have had a dedi with deb on for 1year now never had a problem with it |
| 23:21.22 | ttick | abrotman: wanna sell me yours? ;) |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | ttick: it's minipci |
| 23:21.37 | ttick | abrotman: what is that? |
| 23:21.47 | abrotman | ttick: you need to have a slot for it in your laptop |
| 23:21.53 | ttick | abrotman: oh, like the samll PCIMCIA slots? |
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| 23:22.06 | abrotman | ttick: no . it's internal |
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| 23:22.12 | ttick | abrotman: darn it |
| 23:22.21 | sanmarcos | will Debian be considering upstart to replace init? |
| 23:22.34 | Frostbite | abrotman: Look for an Intel IPW2200, IPW3945ABG or something based on an Atheros (madwifi) or Prism54 chip. |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | sanmarcos: ask the init maintainer and the upstart maintainer |
| 23:22.51 | abrotman | Frostbite: mine works fine .. i have no complaints .. i have an orinoco |
| 23:22.55 | sanmarcos | abrotman, you are a hardcore, what is your opinion on the issue? |
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| 23:23.07 | ttick | abrotman: oh, well, I think I'll just buy a longer tether for the moment. Ugh. |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i still haven't tried init-ng yet |
| 23:23.17 | Frostbite | abrotman: hmm ... haven't tried that one. |
| 23:23.20 | sanmarcos | abrotman: have you read the upstart page? |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | ttick: there has to be a solution |
| 23:23.30 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I was just wondering, it seems like a fantastic concept |
| 23:23.32 | Frostbite | ttick: basically you want native drivers and not ndiswrapper where possible |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | sanmarcos: a little .. but not enough to really comment |
| 23:23.51 | abrotman | sanmarcos: lots of things seem like good concepts (look at udev) .. in practice is another story |
| 23:24.00 | sanmarcos | abrotman: heh.. you are right. udev can be hell |
| 23:24.14 | ttick | Frostbite: WPC11v3 doesn't count, huh. |
| 23:24.25 | Frostbite | ttick: what card do you habe? |
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| 23:24.30 | Frostbite | *v |
| 23:24.30 | abrotman | ttick: though .. that might be a solution .. to use ndiswrapper |
| 23:24.33 | abrotman | ick ick ick |
| 23:24.37 | ttick | Frostbite: WPC11v3 |
| 23:24.47 | ttick | abrotman: ugh |
| 23:24.55 | abrotman | ttick: i agree :) |
| 23:25.15 | ttick | abrotman: worst part about this: it used to work 8 months ago. |
| 23:25.27 | abrotman | ttick: and it still should |
| 23:25.39 | ttick | abrotman: hmm, gotta tell that to my card. |
| 23:25.52 | abrotman | ttick: is this a new install or an upgrade? |
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| 23:26.09 | ttick | abrotman: upgrades |
| 23:26.10 | Frostbite | ttick: pcmcia or pci? |
| 23:26.16 | ttick | Frostbite: pcmcia |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | ttick: udev or hotplug ? |
| 23:26.34 | ttick | abrotman: hmm, I think hotplug. |
| 23:26.44 | Frostbite | ttick: http://osunix.com/?p=4 , perhaps? |
| 23:26.46 | ttick | abrotman: hotplug comes up in the syslog on boot. |
| 23:26.50 | abrotman | wait .. i have linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards |
| 23:27.29 | ttick | abrotman: oh, should I install that? |
| 23:27.32 | Frostbite | ttick: wait ... is it made in china or taiwan? |
| 23:27.39 | ttick | Frostbite: lol, no idea |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | ttick: eh .. maybe :) .. i'm still not sure of your chipset :) |
| 23:28.00 | Frostbite | ttick: china wpc11v3 needs ndiswrapper, taiwan needs prism54 |
| 23:28.10 | Frostbite | I used to have one and drew the short straw :( |
| 23:28.17 | Frostbite | says on the card |
| 23:28.28 | abrotman | it's an 802.11b card |
| 23:28.45 | Frostbite | abrotman: eh? ignore me then :P |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | is'nt it ? |
| 23:29.15 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 23:29.15 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 23:29.17 | ttick | Frostbite: doesn't say country on the card. Yes b |
| 23:29.26 | abrotman | argh .. no lspci .. grr |
| 23:29.31 | Frostbite | ttick: "I have a laptop with a Linksys WPC11v3 (prism chipset) for which I use the orinoco_cs driver" <-- google |
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| 23:30.13 | ttick | Frostbite: the card seems to be acknowledged by the OS. (modules loaded) dhclient just can't find the AP |
| 23:30.35 | ttick | people across the street can find my AP, I just can't sitting next to it. :/ |
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| 23:31.16 | Frostbite | ttick: type iwconfig and see if the card is picked up by wireless-tools, then iwlist scanning to look for an AP. Maybe you need a WEP key or WPA PSK? |
| 23:31.18 | dbe | What should I add in sshd_config to only allow SSH connections with a public key? |
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| 23:31.46 | paok | hi all |
| 23:31.51 | Hoxzer | Hi |
| 23:32.05 | Frostbite | dbe:google |
| 23:32.05 | paok | what s the command executed in background when i press the close session button from gnome panel???.. and show the panel to choose change user or shutdown restart... |
| 23:32.12 | ttick | Frostbite: eth1 IEEE 802.11b ESSID:"ghosmanwireless" Nickname:"Prism I" |
| 23:32.24 | ttick | Frostbite: Mode:Managed Access Point: None Bit Rate:2 Mb/s |
| 23:32.42 | Hoxzer | how is wlan supported in linux now days? |
| 23:32.46 | ttick | Frostbite: it's an open AP. no WPA or WEP |
| 23:33.26 | Frostbite | ttick: you got me :) as abrotman said, try ndiswrapper |
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| 23:33.38 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 23:33.44 | Frostbite | Hoxzer: reasonably |
| 23:33.54 | ttick | hmm, don't suppose the WPC11v4 is easier. |
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| 23:34.18 | Frostbite | Intel and Atheros (madwifi) always work for me, especially Intel Cards. |
| 23:34.29 | Frostbite | Got a 2200BG and a 3945ABG |
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| 23:35.30 | ttick | which is more modern udev or hotplug ? |
| 23:35.32 | Frostbite | Btw, does anyone use dotdeb.org packages? How stable are they? |
| 23:35.32 | pickcoder | ttick: is your essid allowed on the AP? |
| 23:35.40 | ttick | pickcoder: yes. |
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| 23:36.03 | Frostbite | ttick: try setting essid broascasting to on |
| 23:36.07 | Frostbite | (on the AP) |
| 23:36.10 | pickcoder | ttick: what does your wireless config look like? |
| 23:36.21 | ttick | pickcoder: which file? |
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| 23:37.11 | ttick | Frostbite: broadcasting is on |
| 23:37.45 | Frostbite | ttick: and there's no mac filtering on the AP? |
| 23:38.26 | ttick | Frostbite: correct |
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| 23:38.57 | Frostbite | ttick: I pass, sorry. |
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| 23:39.06 | Guerin | Frostbite: dotdeb.org packages are maintained by one of the leading DDs, iirc |
| 23:39.08 | ttick | Frostbite: thanks for playing. |
| 23:39.08 | pickcoder | ttick: good question. I've never setup wlan with Debian |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | ttick: no luck with those -ng things ? |
| 23:39.24 | abrotman | !find wlan-ng etch |
| 23:39.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'wlan-ng' (4): linux-wlan-ng ;; linux-wlan-ng-doc ;; linux-wlan-ng-firmware ;; linux-wlan-ng-source. |
| 23:39.30 | Frostbite | Guerin: DD == Debian Dev? ok, ty. |
| 23:39.35 | Guerin | Frostbite: 1 |
| 23:39.51 | abrotman | you should use backports.org now |
| 23:40.02 | Frostbite | abrotman: hmm? |
| 23:40.07 | abrotman | !dotdeb |
| 23:40.07 | dpkg | [dotdeb] for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 23:40.11 | pickcoder | ttick: I've only helped our wireless ISP company fix issues on our gateway |
| 23:40.31 | ttick | okay, guys I need to take a dinner break. B e back later. thanks for the help |
| 23:40.39 | Frostbite | abrotman: why? |
| 23:40.52 | Frostbite | abrotman: also, are you a debian dev? I remember the name |
| 23:41.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:41.07 | Guerin | he wishes |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | supposedly the ones at backports.org are better .. and are done by the DDs responsible for the packages in stable |
| 23:41.17 | abrotman | Guerin: i don't wish .. or i'd have done |
| 23:41.26 | abrotman | Frostbite: no .. i'm not a DD |
| 23:41.32 | Frostbite | abrotman: ok |
| 23:41.39 | Guerin | abrotman: really, you don't want all that extra responsibility for no benefit? |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | Guerin: i get to vote people off the island! |
| 23:41.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:42.04 | abrotman | Guerin: i'd rather donate packages .. but they don't seem to allow that |
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| 23:42.38 | Dan01 | whats backports about in a nutshell? |
| 23:42.50 | Guerin | Dan01: new versions of packages built for stable |
| 23:42.56 | Dan01 | ah right |
| 23:42.56 | streuner | Dan01: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:42.59 | Dan01 | cheers |
| 23:43.15 | Dan01 | thanks dude |
| 23:43.31 | Frostbite | abrotman: your site's down btw |
| 23:43.33 | Guerin | !dude |
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| 23:43.42 | liable | wheres my car |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | Frostbite: my site ? |
| 23:43.47 | Guerin | !dude is <reply>like, y'knoow. |
| 23:43.48 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 23:43.59 | jelly-ho | dude |
| 23:44.04 | streuner | hm, strange, the bot has millions of factoids but not 'dude' |
| 23:44.18 | Frostbite | abrotman: http://phoenix.lhup.edu/~abrotman/ - maybe not :) |
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| 23:44.52 | abrotman | Frostbite: i don't run it anymore .. it's been down for a week or so .. i suspect the admins at the uni still haven't figured out how to lock an IP to a MAC |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | Frostbite: but yes .. that's me |
| 23:45.14 | streuner | abrotman: did you study at lhup.edu? |
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| 23:45.26 | abrotman | yes .. and psu.edu |
| 23:45.47 | Guerin | The US College of Power Supply Unit Technicians? |
| 23:46.01 | Guerin | a prestigious establishment indeed |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | kiwi |
| 23:46.27 | Guerin | abrotman: at least my university is named after a queen |
| 23:46.33 | LinuxNIT | hey guys when i used the xchat systray and i restart enlightenment xchat dies but gaim does not. any idea if this can be fixed? |
| 23:46.34 | streuner | haha |
| 23:46.38 | abrotman | Guerin: dancing queen ? |
| 23:46.49 | streuner | hey, Kylie is cool |
| 23:46.50 | Guerin | abrotman: not uabba.edu, no |
| 23:47.04 | jelly-ho | uabba.se? |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:47.25 | Guerin | uabbase.cx |
| 23:47.41 | streuner | remember when sie was in Sydney? |
| 23:47.49 | Guerin | sie? |
| 23:47.53 | streuner | she |
| 23:47.59 | Guerin | oh, who? |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | mmm ... germans |
| 23:48.10 | streuner | Kylie Minugue |
| 23:48.19 | Guerin | kylie is yet another skinny tart |
| 23:48.44 | Frostbite | abrotman: you say backports are run by a DD. If dotdeb is not, who is it run by? |
| 23:48.47 | streuner | hm, you didn't see the video at the olympics then |
| 23:48.51 | abrotman | Frostbite: nfc |
| 23:50.16 | Frostbite | abrotman: ahh, found him: http://www.moolfreet.com/carnet/uploads/posts/200606/savoiraimer.png haha |
| 23:50.31 | abrotman | Frostbite: i'd guess Guillaume Plessis |
| 23:50.42 | sanmarcos | abrotman: do you have a website? |
| 23:50.49 | Frostbite | sanmarcos: lol |
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| 23:50.51 | Guerin | sanmarcos: fgi |
| 23:51.20 | abrotman | sanmarcos: ask Frostbite pointed out .. what is left of my site is down .. i don't do html for myself |
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| 23:51.51 | sanmarcos | Guerin: igy |
| 23:52.41 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i guess i have another .. but it's mostly empty iirc |
| 23:52.53 | Guerin | sanmarcos: idk |
| 23:52.58 | sanmarcos | abrotman: according to google you have a podcast |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | as a matter of fact .. it only says "hello" :) |
| 23:53.15 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i do not .. there is an 'abrotman' that works/worked at google iirc |
| 23:53.37 | sanmarcos | abrotman: an impostor I see |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | or maybe it was yahoo .. |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | some guy in #web asked me about it |
| 23:54.00 | abrotman | there are a few abrotman's on the web |
| 23:54.41 | abrotman | google gets a good number though |
| 23:55.45 | Frostbite | ugh, don't open backport's contents.gz in firefox |
| 23:55.48 | Frostbite | slooooooooow |
| 23:55.59 | abrotman | i think you want Packages.gz |
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| 23:57.18 | Frostbite | abrotman: either will do :) |
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| 23:57.58 | sanmarcos | abrotman: this google thing is incredible, one has no privacy no more! |
| 23:58.27 | abrotman | sanmarcos: well .. my record on google isn't too bad |
| 23:58.48 | shay | there are records in google? |
| 23:58.52 | sanmarcos | abrotman: the less information you give, the better. |
| 23:58.53 | shay | I wonder what my place is |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | oh .. except that one french blog .. weird |
| 23:58.57 | sanmarcos | then the services know who you are |
| 23:59.22 | Guerin | nominate abrotman for something I can't remember any more! |
| 23:59.35 | abrotman | !abrotman |
| 23:59.36 | dpkg | you are, like, someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | and that poll is gone |
