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| 00:14.08 | sanmarcos | what happen |
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| 00:14.58 | abrotman | sanmarcos: netsplit of some sort i'd guess |
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| 00:15.10 | znx | \o/ |
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| 00:15.21 | znx | hello #debian .. nice to see you again :) |
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| 00:16.04 | CHodapp | I'm on etch... where does WINE look for a config file? I put it in ~/.wine but according to strace it isn't even trying to read that file... or any other file containing 'conf' in its name. |
| 00:16.04 | Thanatermesis | any person has look more things than the IRC rebooting ? |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: huh ? |
| 00:16.23 | sanmarcos | Thanatermesis: if irc goes down, then what would be of my life? |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | books ? |
| 00:16.45 | CHodapp | beer? |
| 00:16.46 | stoned | if you have no life without irc, you got problems buddy |
| 00:17.14 | stoned | :( |
| 00:17.17 | stoned | you don't even smoke |
| 00:17.19 | Thanatermesis | well, my downloads has stopped, my chat's rebooted, and the connection with my email server has also restarted... on the same time to this netsplit |
| 00:17.30 | sanmarcos | stoned: yes |
| 00:17.35 | stoned | Thanatermesis, quinky dink |
| 00:17.41 | abrotman | stoned: not anymore i dont' |
| 00:17.47 | sanmarcos | Thanatermesis: weird huh? same thing happened to me, just a few dns not resolving |
| 00:17.55 | sanmarcos | its a sign of things to come aparently.. |
| 00:17.58 | stoned | abrotman, ahaha, as we say in Urdu, Chhuppa Rustum |
| 00:18.05 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, this is VERY strange... i don't have look a similar thing in my life... |
| 00:18.07 | abrotman | shut the fuck up ? |
| 00:18.12 | Thanatermesis | similar to all the internet has rebooted lol |
| 00:18.20 | stoned | Rustum == Great fighter, chhuppa means hidden |
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| 00:18.34 | stoned | its a saying we use to say, well, fuck, I can't translate it properly |
| 00:18.40 | stoned | but its interesting anyway |
| 00:19.06 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, from where are you / what ISP you use ? |
| 00:19.15 | sanmarcos | Thanatermesis: right, like I am telling you |
| 00:19.20 | sanmarcos | Thanatermesis: dont you know the services are watching? |
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| 00:20.09 | Thanatermesis | well, the connection with my email server is a private host |
| 00:20.10 | Dan01 | lol |
| 00:20.16 | Dan01 | netspilt that was gay |
| 00:20.23 | stoned | dude |
| 00:20.26 | Thanatermesis | i think to its a problem of the internet server.. more than the services of we use |
| 00:20.28 | stoned | how is a netsplit homosexual? |
| 00:20.29 | stoned | wtf? |
| 00:20.34 | Thanatermesis | is not psoible to all the things to im working has rebooted |
| 00:20.37 | Dan01 | wrong word |
| 00:20.47 | Dan01 | no offence |
| 00:20.53 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, i use belgacom internet provider... from belgium |
| 00:21.00 | Dan01 | i don't want to start a conversation up on it please |
| 00:21.03 | grendal_prime | anybody running ejabberd ?? i have one server up and running. and it works fine, but hell if i can get this second one working. |
| 00:21.04 | sanmarcos | Thanatermesis: nope |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | apt: tell Dan01 about gay |
| 00:21.11 | stoned | Dan01, then stop being a tool |
| 00:21.11 | Dan01 | :| |
| 00:21.17 | abrotman | oh ffs .. stupid bot |
| 00:21.24 | sanmarcos | omg dpkg is gone |
| 00:21.27 | abrotman | Dan01: don't use that in a derogatory fashion |
| 00:21.27 | sanmarcos | we lost him in the split |
| 00:21.28 | Dan01 | apt is telling me that |
| 00:21.30 | Dan01 | omg |
| 00:21.33 | Dan01 | i won't |
| 00:21.37 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:21.38 | Dan01 | omg |
| 00:21.42 | stoned | ~hi |
| 00:21.43 | apt | hello, stoned |
| 00:21.43 | Dan01 | lol |
| 00:21.43 | Dan01 | sorry |
| 00:21.48 | stoned | ~dpkgbot |
| 00:21.54 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, VERY strange :/ |
| 00:21.54 | Dan01 | anyway that netspilt was rather n00b |
| 00:21.57 | Dan01 | that ok? |
| 00:21.58 | stoned | i hope its synced up with dpkg |
| 00:21.59 | Dan01 | :> |
| 00:22.00 | Thanatermesis | i don't have any explanation to this |
| 00:22.06 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:22.15 | CHodapp | some of you remind me of a bunch of anal-retentive schoolteachers. |
| 00:22.19 | Thanatermesis | maybe the agents has made a modification in the matrix, sanmarcos |
| 00:22.21 | Dan01 | lol |
| 00:22.32 | stoned | CHodapp, apparantly we got stuck in our 2nd psychosexual stage |
| 00:22.37 | stoned | CHodapp, got a problem with it? |
| 00:23.12 | CHodapp | Only as much as I have a problem with pedantic schoolteachers. |
| 00:23.33 | stoned | what seems useless to you here? |
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| 00:24.31 | CHodapp | The pedantry about language, for one. |
| 00:24.59 | Dan01 | apt: tell dan01 about linux |
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| 00:25.13 | Dan01 | didn't know that |
| 00:25.23 | Dan01 | btw guys is it random what they say? |
| 00:25.27 | stoned | no |
| 00:25.28 | Dan01 | or just one thing.. |
| 00:25.32 | stoned | ~blootbot |
| 00:25.34 | apt | somebody said blootbot was an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 00:25.39 | stoned | goddamit |
| 00:25.42 | Dan01 | heh |
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| 00:25.50 | stoned | who manages apt, sync it with dpkg when you get a chance |
| 00:26.15 | abrotman | stoned: MIA |
| 00:26.19 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:26.20 | abrotman | apt: who owns you |
| 00:26.21 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 00:26.21 | stoned | http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 00:26.22 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, what is your country ? |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | but timriker has been MIA for a while |
| 00:26.32 | sanmarcos | Thanatermesis: yes, I know you work for the services. |
| 00:26.34 | stoned | I see |
| 00:26.53 | stoned | Dan01, http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | the services? |
| 00:27.10 | stoned | there is a very nice web interface for the factoids as well |
| 00:27.14 | stoned | stew is the man btw! |
| 00:27.15 | Dan01 | thank you |
| 00:27.19 | sanmarcos | http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 00:27.22 | Dan01 | i'm reading that all now |
| 00:27.29 | Dan01 | whilst the kernel compiles |
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| 00:27.57 | sanmarcos | abrotman: the government (intelligence, security) = the "services", with a person therefore working is called "a service" |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | sanmarcos: he works for your gov't ? |
| 00:28.21 | Dan01 | hmm dpkg not here |
| 00:28.22 | Dan01 | :| |
| 00:28.31 | w32 | any idea why creating a partition on an md device during a fresh install would fail ? |
| 00:28.32 | Tidus | some of irc.freenode.net got owned |
| 00:28.42 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I wrote a whole article on wikipedia about it |
| 00:28.44 | abrotman | Tidus: don't tell us |
| 00:29.00 | abrotman | sanmarcos: Thanatermesis works for the gov't for your country ? |
| 00:29.01 | Tidus | i got booted and slapped with (Connection refused) upon reconnect... could be why dpkg isn't here. |
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| 00:29.12 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 00:29.17 | Dan01 | tidus i made a very silly comment about it and got told |
| 00:29.19 | Dan01 | lol |
| 00:29.22 | sanmarcos | abrotman: see 'SIDE'. The best practice is to not give out information (even though I just did). You never know, google knows anything. This data mining shit is scary sister.. |
| 00:29.22 | stoned | Tidus, that is EXACTLY why dpkg isn't here |
| 00:29.25 | abrotman | Tidus: unless you have facts to back it up .. shut it |
| 00:29.29 | Dan01 | lol |
| 00:29.32 | Dan01 | dpkg where are you |
| 00:29.34 | Dan01 | help me |
| 00:29.39 | Dan01 | sorry :> |
| 00:29.42 | stoned | Dan01, read the fucking wikipage |
| 00:29.43 | stoned | ffs |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | sanmarcos: uh ok |
| 00:29.49 | Dan01 | got i live this irc channel |
| 00:29.52 | Dan01 | god* |
| 00:29.55 | Dan01 | love* |
| 00:30.00 | Dan01 | typos small keybored tbh |
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| 00:30.21 | Dan01 | its a bot stoned |
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| 00:30.28 | Dan01 | i know that |
| 00:30.44 | Dan01 | i have 5 eggdrop bots myself |
| 00:30.50 | sanmarcos | yes dont try to save it |
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| 00:31.08 | stoned | eggdrop is for lame windows users who think having a shell/vhost on dal.net is cool |
| 00:31.17 | Dan01 | dude |
| 00:31.17 | stoned | oh and a fucking bot |
| 00:31.25 | Dan01 | i run it on debian linux servers |
| 00:31.28 | Dan01 | not windows |
| 00:31.33 | sanmarcos | a bouncer you mean? |
| 00:31.42 | Dan01 | no an eggdrop bot |
| 00:31.44 | sanmarcos | most lamers dont get their isps to reverse dns |
| 00:31.53 | abrotman | not that there's much else going on .. but can you two stop it |
| 00:31.59 | jelly-home | ~vi foot pedals |
| 00:32.00 | apt | hai is taking orders so you don't have to hit the escape key anymore, just step on a foot pedal! $19.95 plus shipping and handling. |
| 00:32.00 | Dan01 | i'm not using rdns atm |
| 00:32.05 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, in what country you living ? or what internet provider you have ? |
| 00:32.16 | sanmarcos | Thanatermesis: stop harrassing me. I said no! |
| 00:32.21 | stoned | lol |
| 00:32.37 | Dan01 | i feel i'm getting mentally abused on here |
| 00:32.41 | stoned | we had like half n hour lecture on sexual harrassment at work |
| 00:32.43 | stoned | it sucked |
| 00:32.48 | w32 | I have 2 scsi drives that work fine stand alone, when I put them in a soft raid 1 and attempt to parttition, partioning fails...any idea why ? |
| 00:32.49 | stoned | s/n/an |
| 00:32.57 | Dan01 | whats that mean stoned? |
| 00:33.05 | Tidus | w32: what device you trying to partition? |
| 00:33.10 | stoned | Dan01, it means debian is sexy |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | Dan01: stoned: stop already |
| 00:33.16 | Dan01 | ok :| |
| 00:33.17 | w32 | tidus:md0 |
| 00:33.21 | stoned | abrotman, stop what? |
| 00:33.35 | Dan01 | i'm getting told off for no reason |
| 00:33.37 | Tidus | w32: ok... and you have created the partitions for "Linux RAID Autodetect" on the two member drives? |
| 00:33.38 | stoned | i know |
| 00:33.44 | stoned | wtf is abrotman being a dad for |
| 00:33.46 | w32 | yeah |
| 00:33.48 | stoned | I didn't do nothin |
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| 00:33.52 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 00:33.53 | Tidus | w32: sounds a bit odd... |
| 00:34.00 | w32 | then I create an md device |
| 00:34.10 | Tidus | w32: try to cfdisk /dev/md/0 instead of /dev/md0 and see what happens |
| 00:34.14 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, what you mean ? i don't understand what you speak |
| 00:34.17 | w32 | and partion manually as I normally do |
| 00:34.31 | w32 | it hoses when I go to write the changes |
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| 00:34.46 | Tidus | w32: some distros have labelled them as /dev/md/? insetad of /md? |
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| 00:35.03 | w32 | I'll try that I'll have to drop to a shell to do it, this is inital install |
| 00:35.14 | Tidus | ah i see. |
| 00:35.18 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, i have some things on my computer to has rebooted on the same time i look the netsplit here, and i try to understand what has happened... if you have look the same things... what internet provider you use ? i don't know any another explanation if we don't use the same ISP |
| 00:35.21 | stoned | man I sitll havn't found a minimal/easy to use commandline tool or gui tool for transcoding. I want to make DVD burnable VOB files from arbitrary video formats, any format. Would anyone know of such a tool |
| 00:35.22 | Dan01 | so whos admin here |
| 00:35.28 | Dan01 | i take it abrotman is |
| 00:35.32 | stoned | no |
| 00:35.36 | stoned | he wishes it though |
| 00:35.38 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:35.39 | abrotman | not really |
| 00:35.40 | Dan01 | oh |
| 00:35.42 | dererk | lol |
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| 00:35.58 | abrotman | stoned: i know exactly why i'm not an op .. and haven't done anything about it |
| 00:36.07 | w32 | tidus: the raid device is there, it creates just fine, it's just partitioning it that screws up |
| 00:36.12 | Tidus | weirdness. |
| 00:36.17 | stoned | abrotman, dude you don't have to tell me anything, I been here for years, and I observe lots |
| 00:36.19 | Dan01 | i just don't want to say something to the wrong person :> |
| 00:36.21 | Thanatermesis | sanmarcos, hablas español ? |
| 00:36.23 | stoned | i know |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | stoned: years? |
| 00:36.52 | stoned | yes, I came here in around end of 2002 |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | then you were one hell of a lurker |
| 00:37.06 | stoned | I was |
| 00:37.12 | sanmarcos | I was here since 2001 |
| 00:37.54 | w32 | tidus: when I execute a shell and try to run cfdisk it can't open the disks "Fatal Error" |
| 00:37.55 | Tidus | w32: your scsi controller and all the raid modules loaded? |
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| 00:38.01 | stoned | abrotman, I didn't have this nickname, I had many, I registered stoned in 2004 I think |
| 00:38.03 | xah | what's the diff between libdvdcss and libdvdread? |
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| 00:38.14 | w32 | normally I'd say the disks where bad but they are brand new, and work fine stand alone....yeah, the adaptec modules are loaded |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | stoned: uh ok |
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| 00:38.37 | w32 | raid modules have to be or otherwise I wouldn't be able to make the raid |
| 00:38.52 | Tidus | w32: sounds like something i wouldn't be able to fix... sorry. hosing on partition write is something i'm not too sure about |
| 00:39.05 | stoned | xah, libdvdcss/2 is dvd encrytion workaround |
| 00:39.09 | stoned | afaik |
| 00:39.10 | w32 | I'm running 2.6 kernel...so maybe its a bug |
| 00:39.14 | w32 | I dunno |
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| 00:39.31 | xah | stoned: so in general, to play dvd, one still need libdvdcss right? |
| 00:39.42 | xah | what's the point of libdvdread then? |
| 00:39.49 | stoned | yes |
| 00:39.52 | stoned | I don't know |
| 00:39.56 | stoned | read the package descriptions |
| 00:40.03 | stoned | apt-cache show pkg |
| 00:40.25 | xah | it just says "provides a simple foundation for reading DVDs.” |
| 00:40.35 | stoned | alright then |
| 00:40.37 | Tidus | libdvdread allows programs to read the vob list. libdvdcss2 breaks the encryption |
| 00:40.48 | jetscreamer | cow-boy! |
| 00:40.52 | jfletcher[mac] | wow |
| 00:40.53 | stoned | jetscreamer! |
| 00:40.56 | jfletcher[mac] | what a crap night out |
| 00:41.06 | xah | Tidus: i see |
| 00:41.07 | jetscreamer | wassup |
| 00:41.11 | stoned | chillin man |
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| 00:41.12 | jetscreamer | jfletcher[mac]: ? |
| 00:41.12 | stoned | how are you |
| 00:41.12 | dpkg | mas o menos, stoned |
| 00:41.27 | jetscreamer | how went the upgrade |
| 00:41.30 | jetscreamer | wassup stoned |
| 00:41.36 | jfletcher[mac] | jetscreamer: while i left etch to install I went to the pub then a nightclub for a wet t-shirt competition |
| 00:41.41 | jfletcher[mac] | all the girls in it were fat |
| 00:41.49 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 00:41.54 | jfletcher[mac] | yea :( |
| 00:42.03 | stoned | hey man |
| 00:42.03 | stoned | fat chics need lovin too |
| 00:42.21 | nomasteryoda|w | lol |
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| 00:42.27 | nomasteryoda|w | biguns |
| 00:42.29 | nomasteryoda|w | =D |
| 00:42.30 | stoned | you can save the whales all day, and recycle, and give charity or what not, but seriously man, fuck someone uglier than you once every now and again, cuz thats what really makes people happy |
| 00:42.33 | jetscreamer | they can be very amorous |
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| 00:42.44 | jfletcher[mac] | lol |
| 00:42.48 | jfletcher[mac] | these were just aweful |
| 00:42.58 | jfletcher[mac] | i dont mind fat chicks who have nice faces |
| 00:43.03 | jfletcher[mac] | but these were plain wrong |
| 00:43.11 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:43.20 | stoned | how happy were you when someone who shouldnt have fucked you, did. All the bullshit goes away, like hey man, cut in front of me in traffic, I don't care, cuz that fine girl fucked me |
| 00:43.23 | stoned | see what I'm saying |
| 00:43.33 | stoned | i know its base and shallow, but hey, it does make p eople happy |
| 00:43.42 | stoned | go make a fat chic happy man, put your life to some sue |
| 00:43.42 | stoned | use* |
| 00:43.44 | jfletcher[mac] | lol |
| 00:43.49 | jfletcher[mac] | fat chicks are harder |
| 00:43.57 | jetscreamer | do a fat boy named sue |
| 00:44.02 | jfletcher[mac] | you goto a nice girl + ask her if she wants a drink etc she says okay |
| 00:44.13 | jfletcher[mac] | you goto a fat girl + she thinks you're joking + making fun |
| 00:44.18 | jfletcher[mac] | thats how it is in England |
| 00:44.23 | jfletcher[mac] | or atleast here in Manchestrer |
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| 00:45.06 | abrotman | stop already |
| 00:45.12 | stoned | yeh thats enough |
| 00:45.45 | stoned | would anyone like to reccomend a good program to convert any video format to VOB so I can put them in VIDEO_TS folder and burn a dvd |
| 00:45.55 | stoned | pretend I can spell |
| 00:46.04 | stoned | abrotman, you use xchat right? |
| 00:46.18 | Tidus | stoned: the video on a dvd is just high-bitrate mpeg2 |
| 00:46.18 | abrotman | sometimes .. right now i am .. why ? |
| 00:46.21 | stoned | abrotman, is there a way to possibly have like in-line auto correction of spelling |
| 00:46.31 | abrotman | in etch it just does it .. for certain words |
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| 00:46.57 | stoned | Tidus, yes, but I need a good tool to transcode |
| 00:47.03 | stoned | Tidus, know of anything |
| 00:47.06 | Tidus | stoned: mencoder perhaps? |
| 00:47.09 | stoned | nah |
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| 00:47.15 | stoned | i dunno |
| 00:47.19 | Tidus | gmencoder provides a nice frontend to it |
| 00:47.25 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:47.29 | stoned | I might check that out |
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| 00:48.02 | stoned | all I want, is to tell the program the input file, and have it produce output VOB file, I dont' want any kinda configs or what not |
| 00:48.05 | grendal_prime | acidrip does everything...actually dude....it seems like ...ya k3b does that shit |
| 00:48.19 | hobophobe | Hmm, google will only show me the first 7 hits out of 200,000. |
| 00:48.23 | stoned | k3b only burns dvd, you need to have a vob file for k3b to work |
| 00:48.27 | stoned | k3b does not transcode |
| 00:48.27 | grendal_prime | all point and clicky too |
| 00:48.48 | grendal_prime | ummm mine does, |
| 00:48.58 | stoned | you're kidding me |
| 00:49.04 | stoned | right? |
| 00:49.07 | grendal_prime | sorry encode im thinking |
| 00:49.15 | Tidus | k3b, with the right stuff, can transcode. |
| 00:49.21 | Tidus | dunno if it can do dvds tho |
| 00:49.24 | stoned | Tidus, elaborate |
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| 00:49.34 | grendal_prime | i use acidrip to yank them..and k3b to burn them |
| 00:49.40 | Tidus | stoned: i wouldn't know what to install to make it capable, since i don't use it like that. |
| 00:49.46 | stoned | i see |
| 00:49.54 | grendal_prime | but im pretty sure you ca do it al with k3b |
| 00:49.59 | stoned | well my roomate has windows xp and I got smb shares setup |
| 00:50.08 | stoned | I can always encode to vob there and burn here |
| 00:51.19 | grendal_prime | i dont burn anything to dvd anymore..its kinda...well perminent, hell jump drives are so cheep, or my online storage for streamable shit |
| 00:51.36 | stoned | well, my neighbour wants some porn |
| 00:51.37 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:51.45 | stoned | he has no computer |
| 00:52.00 | hobophobe | Do you have a printer? |
| 00:52.08 | hobophobe | oh you meant for dvd |
| 00:52.09 | grendal_prime | aaahhh ya well that is best on dvd...who whats to mess around with typing while your jacking off right!! |
| 00:52.10 | w32 | tidus: could it be bcause i have set a bootable flag on /boot in the raid device ? |
| 00:52.16 | stoned | hobophobe, when you find out how to print movies let me know |
| 00:52.30 | hobophobe | stoned, you can make him a flip-book :o( |
| 00:52.36 | Tidus | w32: i dont know if that would screw it up or not |
| 00:52.43 | grendal_prime | huge flipbook, i think you could probably do it with gimp |
| 00:52.43 | stoned | eitherway, the purpose isn't important |
| 00:52.50 | Tidus | w32: only place i have soft-raid is on my storage array |
| 00:52.52 | stoned | thanks for the program names |
| 00:52.57 | Tidus | the rest of the system rests on its own drive |
| 00:52.58 | stoned | I'll check a few out and see what works for me, thanks |
| 00:53.16 | w32 | hmm, I'm gonna try without it |
| 00:53.25 | grendal_prime | tidus, i have this raid array i dont know how to get to it though |
| 00:53.47 | Tidus | grendal: software raid? |
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| 00:53.57 | strange_stone | o0 |
| 00:53.58 | strange_stone | 0o |
| 00:54.03 | strange_stone | :x |
| 00:54.07 | grendal_prime | no hardware, mylex |
| 00:54.30 | Tidus | grendal: is it one of those that requires windows drivers before it'll provide raid? or does it work without drivers? |
| 00:54.36 | stoned | do a software raid with nbd's |
| 00:54.44 | stoned | now THAT is fun stuff |
| 00:54.50 | stoned | not! |
| 00:55.25 | grendal_prime | i can see the drives (i think when i cat /proc/ the drives |
| 00:55.30 | grendal_prime | hold on |
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| 00:56.15 | lunat1c_ | does anyone have @live.com invitation? |
| 00:56.21 | Bread | Is there a way to tell which version of Debian is being run on a machine? |
| 00:56.42 | liable | Bread: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:56.54 | liable | Bread: or libc6 version is a good indicater |
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| 00:58.14 | Bread | Aah thanks, I was looking for 'version' |
| 00:58.27 | lunat1c_ | does anyone have @live.com invitation? |
| 00:59.40 | Bread | What's the difference between sarge and woody? |
| 01:00.06 | lunat1c_ | does anyone have @live.com invitation? |
| 01:00.11 | hobophobe | sarge is newer |
| 01:00.23 | Bread | would 3.1 be sarge? |
| 01:00.23 | grendal_prime | Tidus, i got a bunch of 65 sd |
| 01:00.23 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.31 | hobophobe | when woody was stable, sarge was testing, now that sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 01:00.32 | grendal_prime | under block devices |
| 01:00.39 | hobophobe | Yes, Bread |
| 01:00.43 | grendal_prime | can i mount thouse like i would...well anything else? |
| 01:01.01 | Bread | Thanks hobophobe |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | !release history |
| 01:01.33 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 01:02.12 | Bread | Haha, interesting naming convention. |
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| 01:03.08 | grendal_prime | i found that strange because i was thinking debian was around longer than that..but i guess that movie is pretty damn old now. |
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| 01:04.13 | Celeste | hi |
| 01:04.27 | Tidus | dpkg forgot sid |
| 01:04.33 | hobophobe | What are they going to do when they run out of names? |
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| 01:05.42 | abrotman | hobophobe: pay disney to make a new movie |
| 01:05.48 | hobophobe | :o) |
| 01:06.00 | Tidus | dpkg still forgot to mention sid... lol ... the evil kid who likes to blow up toys |
| 01:06.01 | lunat1c_ | does anyone have @live.com invitation? |
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| 01:06.15 | grendal_prime | i guess not |
| 01:06.21 | hobophobe | does experimental have a name? |
| 01:06.23 | grendal_prime | what the hell is it |
| 01:06.39 | Coweater | experimental is experimental, it's not a complete distrobution |
| 01:06.45 | hobophobe | ah, true |
| 01:06.50 | Tidus | hobophobe, the unstable distribution is called Sid. right now, "Testing" is called Etch |
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| 01:06.54 | abrotman | lunat1c_: go away |
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| 01:07.15 | l3u | greetings, I have a system running testing and with samba 3.0.22 and I would like to upgrade to 3.0.23. How would I apt-get install this? |
| 01:07.59 | zimm2 | anyone know why apt-get upgrade just killed my laptop ? all i get on boot now is "begin : waiting for root file system" .. and errr .. thats it .. |
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| 01:10.10 | Coweater | l3u: you can grab the unstable package and hope it doesn't require any newer versions than etch has or just wait till it goes into etch |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | if it goes |
| 01:11.42 | l3u | Coweater: well I am having a locking issue that upgrading may address. How do I get the unstable package? |
| 01:12.17 | l3u | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.37 | Coweater | !pdo |
| 01:12.37 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 01:13.14 | l3u | Coweater: thx for the info |
| 01:13.19 | Coweater | yes, you can remove it like any other package |
| 01:15.44 | l3u | Coweater: Would a downgrade to stable be safer than an upgrade from unstable? |
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| 01:16.41 | Coweater | it doesn't really matter, it's just one package, you may run into trouble with a stable package if you have anything that depends on the newer version of samba though |
| 01:16.55 | l3u | Coweater: I am still learning apt-get but I wasn thinking I could specify a version for samba with it. |
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| 01:19.11 | x|e | what is better installing a premade package or compiling from source? |
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| 01:20.08 | hobophobe | Generally good to go with the premade unless you have some specific need from the package or there's not a premade available |
| 01:20.46 | x|e | hobophobe, so if i compile it wouldnt make that specific package run any better on my system? |
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| 01:21.47 | hobophobe | There are some optimizations you could do to some packages to make it run better, but that all depends on what your needs are. For most people there's not that need. |
| 01:22.48 | x|e | well as for Xgl if i go with compiling it.. instead of using ubuntu packages (which i do not want to do) it would not be better in this case? |
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| 01:24.50 | hypl | hi i have an emergency |
| 01:24.53 | hobophobe | x|e, that is a different story. Compiling seems like your best option. |
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| 01:25.04 | hobophobe | hypl, please state your question/problem for consideration. |
| 01:25.09 | x|e | thats what i figured |
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| 01:25.19 | x|e | thanks hobophobe |
| 01:25.22 | hypl | i just went to checkout a package and for some reason debian deleted and moved around alot of stuff |
| 01:25.31 | hypl | now i have no icons and i cant access terminal |
| 01:25.35 | hypl | webbrowser |
| 01:25.37 | hypl | anything' |
| 01:25.43 | hypl | luckily i had irc running |
| 01:25.53 | hypl | so its the only thing i can run |
| 01:26.14 | hobophobe | hm..that doesn't sound good. What exactly happened? |
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| 01:26.29 | hypl | well i went to get monodevelop |
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| 01:26.33 | hypl | with base-config |
| 01:27.04 | hypl | and it seemed like it was taking a while to download so i looked and it was saying removing ... over and over with different package names |
| 01:27.23 | hypl | then i guess it updated them all or something but it didnt update everything correctly |
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| 01:27.32 | Presently42 | I don't think that this is the correct forum, but I'm not sure what is. I'm trying to use my printer (which is connected to a Windows machine) from my laptop. smb4k used to sees it, but when I ask it to print, it says I need to authenticate. I don't understand how a printer needs authentication, but I tried sticking in two user names (one of which has a password) that are valid for the computer on to which the printer is attached. |
| 01:27.32 | Presently42 | ff and on for a year now. |
| 01:27.52 | hypl | idk what exactly happend but is there a way to do a system restore |
| 01:27.52 | hypl | ? |
| 01:27.58 | hypl | or something along those lines |
| 01:28.15 | hypl | i have important files on this computer |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | you have no terminals ? |
| 01:28.44 | hypl | no |
| 01:28.45 | Coweater | Presently42: i'm kind of guessing, might be thinking of something else, do you have the user on both machines? |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | /exec -o xterm |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | try that |
| 01:28.58 | hypl | Warning: Cannot convert string "nil2" to type FontStruct |
| 01:28.58 | hypl | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 01:28.58 | hypl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.59 | hypl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:29.11 | hypl | shit |
| 01:29.12 | hypl | sorry |
| 01:29.18 | abrotman | /exec -o xterm |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | try that |
| 01:29.27 | hypl | tried it |
| 01:29.27 | Presently42 | Coweater: Yes. I tried that. But, I am loged in on an other account. I tried that one too. Nothing. |
| 01:29.32 | hypl | it printed stuff into here |
| 01:29.34 | hypl | and kicked me |
| 01:29.38 | x|e | that was the output abrotman |
| 01:29.41 | abrotman | cute |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | what was his WM ? |
| 01:30.07 | x|e | heh dunno |
| 01:30.08 | Coweater | hypl: is X running? |
| 01:30.13 | Presently42 | Coweater: There is a wizard that comes with kde's printing settings. It used to find this printer, but no longer does. |
| 01:30.21 | hypl | i think |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | hypl: no middle click either ? |
| 01:30.27 | hypl | no |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | or right click ? |
| 01:30.59 | abrotman | what wm ? |
| 01:30.59 | hypl | i have right click |
| 01:31.11 | Coweater | Presently42: i don't know anything else, sorry |
| 01:31.12 | abrotman | and what ? |
| 01:31.46 | hypl | :'( |
| 01:31.51 | Presently42 | Coweater: Hmm. Perhaps I should try some where else? I don't think that this is really a debian problem. Probably cups or samba. In fact, I'll try samba. Thanks any way. |
| 01:31.55 | hobophobe | hypl, he's asking what window manager you use |
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| 01:31.59 | hypl | KDE |
| 01:32.24 | hypl | sorry didnt see that asked |
| 01:32.44 | abrotman | /exec -o kwin ? |
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| 01:33.00 | hypl | sh: kwin: command not found |
| 01:33.25 | Coweater | you messed something up |
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| 01:33.34 | Presently42 | /leave |
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| 01:33.54 | hypl | all i did was use base-config to install a package like i always do |
| 01:34.30 | abrotman | base-config doesn't install packages |
| 01:34.45 | hypl | it uses apt-get to install them with a curses interface |
| 01:35.02 | Coweater | that's aptitude |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | what did you install ? |
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| 01:35.07 | hypl | im in a pickle i have a image library i was coding for a client on this machine |
| 01:35.13 | hypl | monodevelop |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | so switch to text mode and back it up |
| 01:35.35 | hypl | im scared to reboot |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | your info isn't going to die |
| 01:35.50 | abrotman | back it up .. reboot |
| 01:35.58 | hypl | well im hoping it already hasnt died |
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| 01:36.21 | hypl | before i do that is there anyway to do a system restore |
| 01:36.31 | hypl | i know i can do that on my mac |
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| 01:38.58 | abrotman | hypl: just freaking tar up the stuff .. copy it to a networked server |
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| 01:47.10 | Dan02 | yay |
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| 01:48.22 | dvs | Dan01: another install problem? :-) |
| 01:48.30 | Dan02 | nope |
| 01:48.31 | Dan02 | sorted |
| 01:48.35 | Dan02 | KERNEL is working |
| 01:48.37 | dvs | whew |
| 01:48.37 | Dan02 | with usb |
| 01:48.38 | Dan02 | !!! |
| 01:48.39 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:48.53 | Dan02 | i added my other desktop |
| 01:48.55 | Dan02 | :> |
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| 01:49.20 | Dan02 | did i talk to you before dvs about this kernel sarga? |
| 01:49.28 | dvs | Dan02: yes |
| 01:49.30 | Dan02 | yeah |
| 01:49.34 | Dan02 | couldn't remember |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | and everyone else :) |
| 01:49.44 | Dan02 | hehe |
| 01:49.48 | Dan02 | i was going to say |
| 01:49.52 | Dan02 | thanks for all your help |
| 01:50.00 | dvs | !beer me |
| 01:50.39 | userdefined | hola. i'm having a bit of a problem getting apache2 with ssl to work in stable. specifically, i can get a single virtual host to work, but as soon as i add a second one, things get borked. |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | are they name based or IP based ? |
| 01:51.24 | userdefined | name based |
| 01:51.28 | abrotman | you can't do that |
| 01:51.32 | Dan02 | so basically i deleted all the crap redownloaded kernel source compiled with my old config and it works fine |
| 01:51.43 | userdefined | ah. crap. that's right. |
| 01:51.47 | userdefined | <-- retarded. |
| 01:51.51 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 01:51.55 | userdefined | thanks abrotman, for the gentle reminder =) |
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| 01:51.56 | Vituz | heh |
| 01:52.08 | abrotman | userdefined: you're welcome ... |
| 01:52.31 | Dan02 | don;t you have to define the host to begin with and then you can add more vhosts |
| 01:52.49 | Dan02 | i had problems with that at first |
| 01:53.00 | Dan02 | but nothing like the kernel i tell you now |
| 01:53.04 | abrotman | Dan02: it's not possible |
| 01:53.12 | userdefined | Dan02: yeah, but not for ssl. it req's ip based |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | Dan02: go tell #apache you want to do name based vhosts and have ssl on them all |
| 01:53.19 | Dan02 | ah ok |
| 01:53.31 | Dan02 | no thanks |
| 01:53.50 | Dan02 | i've done my fair share of annoying questions on here |
| 01:53.58 | Dan02 | i'll admit it |
| 01:54.03 | dvs | Dan02: you bet! ;-) |
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| 01:54.19 | Dan02 | :) |
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| 01:54.23 | userdefined | i knew that, i just play with so much random stuff that i keep forgetting what i learned last time i mucked about with <$thing> =) |
| 01:54.40 | Dan02 | heh |
| 01:54.44 | Dan02 | i get that problem |
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| 01:55.15 | vic | hello, installed debian, why is that the command apt-setup was missing, |
| 01:55.32 | abrotman | been removed |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | might be coming back |
| 01:55.50 | liable | vic: only available during install |
| 01:56.29 | vic | how can that be back? |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | vic: just edit the sources with an editor |
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| 01:57.34 | Dan02 | he could run base-config |
| 01:57.43 | Dan02 | you can add sources for apt on that? |
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| 01:57.56 | vic | how can i bring back the apt-setup? |
| 01:58.14 | abrotman | vic: use the editor |
| 01:58.22 | Dan02 | sof2 time bbs |
| 01:58.32 | vic | which editor? |
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| 02:00.02 | Frederick | folks anyone here installed google earth from apt? |
| 02:00.16 | liable | its in the repos? |
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| 02:00.44 | liable | oh, it is too.. |
| 02:01.06 | vic | dan02: how can i run base config |
| 02:01.25 | liable | vic: its not there anymore, its only in sarge now |
| 02:01.26 | DocOC | anyone know offhand how to disable a laptop's built-in lcd so that I can use the greater resolution available on my external monitor? |
| 02:01.33 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 02:01.43 | DocOC | in X specifically. |
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| 02:02.25 | freeone3000 | I don't think any but a minority of us use something other than X. |
| 02:02.42 | abrotman | DocOC: hit the magic button |
| 02:02.51 | dvs | No, the easy button |
| 02:03.09 | DocOC | abrotman: ok, I assume that means I am living in fantasy land. |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | DocOC: somewhere on your laptop .. you have a 'Fn' key .. and it goes with a magic button that will switch output devices |
| 02:04.02 | DocOC | abrotman: ahh, yes. ok, let me see if that works at all... |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | mine happens to be F7 |
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| 02:04.17 | abrotman | so Fn+F7 would turn off my lcd screen |
| 02:04.33 | DocOC | yeah, absolutely no effect. |
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| 02:05.32 | abrotman | DocOC: hit it more than once |
| 02:05.34 | DocOC | might just be that the fn key on my laptop is dead, though, as severaly keys on it have died. |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | that's scary .. i don't like doing that :) |
| 02:06.31 | DocOC | hmm, maybe there is a bios option. I'll reboot and see... |
| 02:06.35 | vic | anyone can help me in apache? its already running but why is that i can't browse one of html i make |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | DocOC: my thinkpad actually tells me in the corner which devices i'm on |
| 02:07.09 | DocOC | ok, see you all soon. |
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| 02:10.19 | vic | anyone can help me in apache in debian? its already running but why is that i can't browse one of html i make |
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| 02:10.40 | liable | vic: check the error log /var/log/apache |
| 02:11.25 | troubled | vic: what liable said. but side note, you save in right place? umask setup to allow "other" access for apache to read it? |
| 02:11.30 | troubled | liable: howdy |
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| 02:12.50 | liable | g'day troubled |
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| 02:14.19 | vic | troubled: how can i mask setup ? |
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| 02:14.46 | abrotman | troubled: don't complicate the issue |
| 02:14.52 | Dan02 | hey troubled! |
| 02:14.54 | Variador | is there a netinst cd for etch? |
| 02:14.56 | troubled | vic: type umask. but if you dont know what it means, its probably not the problem. where you save the file? what dir? |
| 02:14.59 | Dan02 | i got it all to work |
| 02:15.00 | dvs | Variador: yu[p |
| 02:15.05 | Variador | where can I find it? |
| 02:15.15 | troubled | Dan02: heya! grats. what was the problem? |
| 02:15.25 | Dan02 | my other nick is Dan01 |
| 02:15.29 | troubled | abrotman: just gauging his skill :) |
| 02:15.30 | Dan02 | you know the kernel |
| 02:15.40 | troubled | Dan02: a pain for nick complete heh |
| 02:15.42 | dvs | NetEcho: |
| 02:15.44 | Dan02 | heh |
| 02:15.45 | dvs | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:15.53 | Dan02 | i got the kernel to work 1000HZ and usb |
| 02:15.54 | duboian | www.debian-multimedia.org and security.debian.org do not support the ftp protocol. will something be done about this? |
| 02:16.05 | Dan02 | used the old kernel config and for some reason it worked this time |
| 02:16.07 | vic | troubled: in /var/www |
| 02:16.12 | troubled | Dan02: debian or stock kernel? how you figure it out? details man! heh |
| 02:16.21 | Dan02 | 2.6.17.11 |
| 02:16.26 | Dan02 | :> |
| 02:16.28 | NetEcho | amd64 is a x86 compatible install right? |
| 02:16.29 | Dan02 | not deb kernel |
| 02:16.30 | troubled | vic: ls -l thefile, what are the perms? did you create it as root or a user? |
| 02:16.41 | dvs | NetEcho: for 64-bit Intel processors |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | NetEcho: eh .. it's for amd64 cpus |
| 02:16.42 | w32 | Tidus: It seems that I had been slicing the disks wrong and bootable flags are an apparent NO NO...we'll see how it fares progressing now |
| 02:16.45 | vic | as a root |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | or em64t |
| 02:16.57 | NetEcho | dvs amd64 would definatly not be for intel :o |
| 02:17.01 | NetEcho | AMD != intel |
| 02:17.05 | NetEcho | <-- has a AMD 64 |
| 02:17.09 | Dan02 | Linux version 2.6.17.11 (root@server5.teamhost.co.uk) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 PREEMPT Mon Aug 28 01:54:12 BST 2006 |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | NetEcho: yes .. it's for em64t also |
| 02:17.15 | Dan02 | yeah its running scweet |
| 02:17.18 | abrotman | NetEcho: it's not for itanium |
| 02:17.19 | dvs | NetEcho: Yes, it works on some Intel CPUs |
| 02:17.21 | NetEcho | abrotman will it support normal 32bit x86 apps? |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | multiarch doesn't exist |
| 02:17.51 | troubled | Dan02: grats man. ya, my kernel runs noticibly faster as well after i tweaked too. its a nice thing |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | not yet anyways |
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| 02:18.03 | NetEcho | I've seen other 64bit dists use 32bit |
| 02:18.07 | NetEcho | like slamd64 |
| 02:18.08 | troubled | Dan02: curious what you missed though |
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| 02:18.26 | NetEcho | but if its still not that mainstream I may as well do normal i386 |
| 02:18.28 | Dan01 | its strange |
| 02:18.28 | Daniel21 | http://www.DJDada.dl.am - HipHop & RnB MusicVidz and MusicTracks to Download!!! |
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| 02:18.34 | Dan01 | because at home i was messing around |
| 02:18.35 | dvs | NetEcho: exactly |
| 02:18.49 | troubled | lol quit that dan |
| 02:18.50 | Dan01 | server5 is 60+ miles away so i had to get it right |
| 02:18.55 | Dan01 | ? |
| 02:19.05 | troubled | nick switch :) |
| 02:19.10 | Dan01 | two pcs |
| 02:19.16 | duboian | www.debian-multimedia.org and security.debian.org do not support the ftp protocol. will something be done about this? |
| 02:19.26 | troubled | Dan01: ahh, dan2 is the usb one? |
| 02:20.02 | Dan01 | Dan01 and Dan02 are same person |
| 02:20.08 | troubled | duh lol |
| 02:20.18 | Vituz | thought they might be related... |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | duboian: you'll use http |
| 02:20.23 | Vituz | but they didnt have the same last name :P |
| 02:20.27 | Dan01 | all that kernel stuff is on another box |
| 02:20.37 | troubled | Dan01: one on each macine i meant? |
| 02:21.05 | NetEcho | brb |
| 02:21.14 | duboian | abrotman: i am not allowed to use http, not allowed to surf at work. |
| 02:21.17 | liable | good, removing flash stop firefox crashing constantly |
| 02:21.19 | Dan01 | :s |
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| 02:21.47 | abrotman | duboian: then i doubt you should be using mplayer :) |
| 02:21.58 | troubled | liable: try the latest flash from adobe/macrom.? |
| 02:22.02 | Dan01 | nevermind |
| 02:22.03 | abrotman | duboian: debian-multimedia has many mirrors .. try others |
| 02:22.19 | troubled | macrodobe/adomedia? |
| 02:22.21 | liable | troubled: the non-free thing, so yeah i guess its the almost latest |
| 02:22.27 | duboian | abrotman: what about the security.org? |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 02:22.46 | abrotman | shit .. they're probably all asleep |
| 02:22.49 | duboian | can u do something about it? |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:22.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:22.58 | troubled | liable: go grab latest an retest. im using and no probs here. not that i view much flash though |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | no i cannot |
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| 02:23.21 | duboian | abrotman: can u arrange for someone to do something about it? |
| 02:23.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:23.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:23.25 | liable | troubled: nah, i'll just go flashless |
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| 02:23.57 | duboian | can anyone help? |
| 02:24.00 | troubled | liable: even better :) not like many sites other than macromedia.com will break. if anything, less ad's |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | duboian: ftp://security.debian.org/ works here |
| 02:24.14 | troubled | duboian: ? |
| 02:24.30 | troubled | duboian: nano /etc/apt/sources.lst |
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| 02:25.05 | duboian | abrotman: i put it as: ftp://ftp.security.debian.org. shouldn't it be this way? |
| 02:25.07 | liable | troubled: indeed, i think i only installed it to play a game anyway |
| 02:25.25 | abrotman | duboian: no |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | duboian: just ftp://security.debian.org/ |
| 02:25.38 | troubled | liable: really, i dont know why i bother usually. this time was to view a you tube vid i think |
| 02:25.47 | duboian | ok, i know now. thks and many apologies. |
| 02:26.03 | abrotman | glad i didn't bother an ftp-master for that :) |
| 02:26.08 | troubled | heh |
| 02:26.25 | troubled | abrotman: another new command. do they ever stop coming?! |
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| 02:26.36 | abrotman | troubled: new command ? |
| 02:27.00 | troubled | abrotman: i meant ive never seen it yet. new to me |
| 02:27.01 | tato | what dev should a usb mass storage device be registering as on debian sarge? |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | troubled: what new command ? |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 02:27.16 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 02:27.49 | userdefined | that dpkg ... he's so smart. ;-) |
| 02:27.53 | troubled | abrotman: how many commands have you listed that i could possibly be talking about since i said that man? wake up |
| 02:28.28 | liable | !confuse troubled |
| 02:28.28 | dpkg | Yes, who are our gerbil tomorrow, troubled? lederhosen of the democracy of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 02:28.29 | troubled | abrotman: nm, i assume ftp-master was a title/organization role and not a commmand |
| 02:28.48 | troubled | abrotman: sorry my bad. not used to titles haveing a "-" in them :) |
| 02:28.56 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:29.07 | troubled | err, switch that last sentence hehe |
| 02:29.13 | troubled | you know what i mean heh |
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| 02:29.40 | troubled | heya DocOC |
| 02:29.50 | DocOC | hey troubled |
| 02:30.18 | troubled | DocOC: question, your nick refering to spiderman correct? |
| 02:30.20 | duboian | abrotman: i encounter this problem: Err ftp://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 02:30.22 | duboian | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.28 | DocOC | troubled: partially. |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | because that's wrong too |
| 02:30.41 | DocOC | I know |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:30.58 | DocOC | it's DocOck |
| 02:30.58 | troubled | DocOC: cool, it was that or a doctor from orange county :) |
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| 02:31.16 | DocOC | troubled: it's also that I'm known as OC |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | duboian: got it ? |
| 02:31.34 | duboian | abrotman: i have already told u, i cannot do http. |
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| 02:31.41 | vic | what is umask? |
| 02:31.47 | troubled | duboian: why not? |
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| 02:31.49 | abrotman | deb ftp://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | !tell duboian about u |
| 02:32.05 | duboian | boss don't want me to surf the web at work. |
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| 02:32.10 | haldrik | hello |
| 02:32.11 | troubled | vic: man umask. basically what perms the system will remove or mask from new created files |
| 02:32.17 | abrotman | duboian: so change it to ftp:// .. it's not hard .. use your brain |
| 02:32.24 | troubled | vic: its in octal format too |
| 02:32.39 | vic | no manual entry for umask |
| 02:32.44 | DocOC | I love how netspeak is forbidden in technical irc channels. |
| 02:32.45 | troubled | vic: try help umask |
| 02:32.53 | troubled | vic: i think its a bash builtin |
| 02:32.58 | duboian | abrotman: i did and it did not work, damn it, we had gone thro this earlier on. u dumbass. |
| 02:32.59 | tato | I loaded usb-stroage and sd_mod with modprobe and inserted the USB device, still no /dev/sda1 (or sdb1 or whatever) |
| 02:33.08 | troubled | vic: or /msg dpkg umask |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | duboian: what you just pasted in here IS WRONG .. the one i just gave you works |
| 02:33.25 | haldrik | why I can't set amsn to arial?, arial is in the fonts list of amsn and system applications. |
| 02:33.33 | vic | ok thank you |
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| 02:33.50 | abrotman | duboian: and i just tested it here .. and it works again |
| 02:33.59 | duboian | ok |
| 02:34.02 | abrotman | uhm wait |
| 02:34.10 | troubled | vic: its probably not why your file cant be read since the default is 022 and would ont remove +r from new files anyways |
| 02:34.15 | abrotman | it works .. but not really |
| 02:34.39 | troubled | vic: 022, first 0, owner, first 2 is group mask and last 2 is everyone else |
| 02:34.53 | liable | tato: what does dmesg say about the device? |
| 02:35.09 | liable | tato: i havent ever had to set umask for apache to work. |
| 02:35.13 | liable | troubled: ^^ |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | duboian: the ftp:// url differs apparently |
| 02:35.35 | troubled | vic: 421 = rwx (think hex), 2 means the second bit field, or in this case the "w", so the umask 022, wlill remove "w" from group and other on new files |
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| 02:36.04 | troubled | liable: ya i know, i doubt its the issue since he doesnt know what it is and def umask is always 022 |
| 02:36.14 | troubled | liable: just educating him while I get the chance |
| 02:36.25 | duboian | abrotman: your line would be only for the non-free packages. |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman | duboian: eh .. i think i got it |
| 02:36.33 | tato | liable: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... \ usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage \ USB Mass Storage support registered. \ usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 7 |
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| 02:36.50 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:36.52 | murosai | how many fps do you guys get in glxgears? |
| 02:37.10 | duboian | abrotman: so, want to tell me how? |
| 02:37.16 | tato | 300 |
| 02:37.18 | CHodapp | how do you make glxgears show fps? My old version on Slackware showed it continuously, but mine now won't do it |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:37.26 | troubled | vic: what error apache give you when you try read the file? and what url are you using to access it in the web browser? |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | duboian: try that |
| 02:37.37 | liable | tato: thats from you modprobing? what about when it was plugged in? |
| 02:37.44 | duboian | ok |
| 02:37.50 | tato | liable, when I plug it in |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | duboian: if you don't need contrib / non-free ... leave those off |
| 02:38.03 | DocOC | I can't look at this damn crt anymore! |
| 02:38.26 | liable | tato: got another usb drive/key to try? |
| 02:38.30 | dvs | DocOC: get an LCD! |
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| 02:39.04 | haldrik | why I can't set amsn to arial?, arial is in the fonts list of amsn and system applications. |
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| 02:39.07 | abrotman | duboian: better? |
| 02:39.15 | duboian | trying |
| 02:39.31 | liable | i thought non-free didnt get sucurity? |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | it's still there if it doesn't |
| 02:39.53 | tato | liable, ah shit, its the device which is messed up |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/sarge/updates/non-free/binary-i386/ |
| 02:40.05 | DocOC | dvs: I have an lcd, connected to my laptop. I just tried the crt because it was way bigger, but I forgot how much those crappy things strain your eyes. I actually feel nauseus. |
| 02:40.06 | tato | sorry :-P |
| 02:40.13 | liable | tato: np |
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| 02:41.33 | troubled | nooooo! macromedia.com redirects to adobe! i didnt even notice! |
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| 02:42.03 | tato | troubled, wha? |
| 02:42.38 | lunat1c_ | they bought macromedia inc. lol |
| 02:42.42 | troubled | tato: aparently the buyout got approved a month or two ago and now the macromedia web site doesnt exist, you go right to adobe no matter what |
| 02:43.15 | troubled | as long as dreamweave stays and golive gets scrapped im happy! |
| 02:43.19 | duboian | abrotman: it is ok now, the problem was the missing 'debian-security'. thks a lot. |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | duboian: be nice to people next time :) |
| 02:43.32 | troubled | hell dreamweaver integration with photoshop would kick ass! |
| 02:43.41 | vic | troubled: i try to rename the folder from d to w in /var/www and use 192.168.0.171/w, and it run but when i rename it as d the url become http://localhost/d , the msg was unable to connect |
| 02:43.43 | duboian | must be mutually so. |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | i didn't call you names :) |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | anyways .. have a nice day |
| 02:44.15 | duboian | bye. |
| 02:44.35 | troubled | vic: are you accessing it from the local machine or another host? |
| 02:45.04 | vic | another machine |
| 02:45.20 | troubled | vic: also, i think if you dont enable url spelling correct, you need to put a / at the end to signify a dir and not a file |
| 02:45.45 | troubled | vic: also, apache is rewriting its name as localhost upon connection since you didnt name it properly in the conf |
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| 02:46.24 | troubled | vic: just name the apache server in the conf as its IP should solve that i think (been a while since i tinkered with apache) |
| 02:46.50 | haldrik | why I can't set amsn to arial?, arial is in the fonts list of amsn and system applications. HEELLLLPPPP |
| 02:46.50 | troubled | vic: if that doesnt work, i suggest trying help in #apache. they know this stuff like we know debian |
| 02:47.05 | vic | thank you |
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| 02:47.42 | haldrik | Ok see you later |
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| 02:47.47 | troubled | vic: np, gl |
| 02:48.12 | vic | theres no one in #apache |
| 02:48.24 | troubled | vic: at all? |
| 02:48.52 | troubled | vic: or nobody answering you? |
| 02:49.01 | vic | there are 221 nicks but no message at all |
| 02:49.23 | liable | patience grasshopper |
| 02:49.34 | troubled | vic: lol, well be patient then. remember, this is all charity work. you cant demand an answer and expect them to jump to serve you |
| 02:50.07 | vic | okay, thank u again |
| 02:50.14 | troubled | vic: np, gl again |
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| 02:51.24 | troubled | vic: a word of advice. I find in a mostly idle channel its best to just state your problem, add whatever we told you for a starting point for them and wait for someone to take the "bait". Each person there has different skills and typically only speak if its something they know the answer to |
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| 02:53.19 | vic | how about php? |
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| 02:54.22 | troubled | vic: i wouldnt bother with php til you at least get the basic's down and working....it will just compund your problem |
| 02:54.36 | troubled | comppound* |
| 02:54.38 | troubled | grr |
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| 02:55.05 | vic | i already install php5, but i wasnt able to run it |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 02:56.25 | Celeste | what is the difference between "themselves" and "theirselves" ? |
| 02:56.34 | Celeste | please |
| 02:56.34 | troubled | vic: in sarge i think the issue was that php doesnt uncomment it in the apache config by default. check your conf. its all commented, not hard stuff |
| 02:56.57 | troubled | vic: abrotman brings up a good point, you running apache1 or 2? |
| 02:57.07 | vic | apache2 |
| 02:57.14 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 installed ? |
| 02:57.53 | troubled | no where near the number of mod's avilable |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | i'm troubled with your lack of faith in apache2 |
| 02:58.21 | troubled | heh, pun intended? |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:58.51 | troubled | slap* |
| 02:58.51 | vic | abrotman: how can i know whether it was installed or not? |
| 02:58.52 | epsilon | I use apache2 since long time, had no trouble |
| 02:59.57 | troubled | vic: sigh...you know, what will help you more than anything is to just shut down irc, turn off your modem and just pretend that you have no outside world to help and force yourself to do some research and reading on your own. trust me, a good day or two of serious hard work pays off |
| 03:00.07 | troubled | epsilon: long time! lol |
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| 03:01.39 | troubled | vic: when you install apache and its doc's you have an entire manual at your disposal, no joke. Its very detailed and coveres every singal aspect of running apache that even the best apache webmasters in the world know about. |
| 03:02.54 | troubled | vic: also, if your not interested in learning it to run your own server, then perhaps you would be better off getting a web server hosted by a company online and just pay them to do all the work for you. |
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| 03:03.48 | epsilon | *shrugs* there are ppl just upgrading testing & working fine with apache2, and there are ppl waiting to upgrade to apache2 until apache3 is released |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | PEOPLE |
| 03:04.41 | CharonX | I am having a hell of a time getting tap0 to exist. It is compiled into the kernel, the device driver loads at startup but I cannot bring tap0 up or have it showup when typing ifconfig ... Anyone have a clue what I can do to get this working properly ? |
| 03:04.41 | troubled | epsilon: please tell me apache3 isnt due anytime soon |
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| 03:05.21 | troubled | CharonX: ifconfig -a dosnt show it as even existing? |
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| 03:05.41 | k-man_ | what kind of ram do entry level pcs take these days? |
| 03:05.56 | troubled | k-man_: entry level kind ;p |
| 03:06.02 | CharonX | troubled: It doesn't show it |
| 03:06.05 | freeone3000 | DDR? |
| 03:06.05 | epsilon | read the spec/manual of mainboard |
| 03:06.12 | k-man_ | freeone3000, just plain ddr? |
| 03:06.26 | troubled | k-man_: pc3200? |
| 03:06.38 | freeone3000 | Mine does, but it's slightly dated. |
| 03:06.39 | epsilon | ddr, ddr2, with/out ECC, clocking, Busspeed... |
| 03:06.40 | troubled | k-man_: there is no easy answer man |
| 03:06.44 | k-man_ | oh |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | k-man_: don't assume anything .. read the manual |
| 03:07.03 | CharonX | im at wits end with this tap device.... |
| 03:07.16 | k-man_ | no, i was just wanting to know, if i buy a pc today, what would the cost of the ram be? and i was trying to see but there is so many types of ram these days |
| 03:07.19 | k-man_ | its all too hard |
| 03:07.27 | CharonX | Been trying for hours to get it going |
| 03:07.29 | troubled | CharonX: whats tap0 for anyways? it rngs a bell though. |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | vpn ? |
| 03:07.46 | epsilon | the manual should tell you which RAM you need for the CPU you have |
| 03:07.54 | CharonX | Im using it as part of a bridge for a openvpn setup |
| 03:07.56 | troubled | wasnt tap0 for intercepting all packets to userland or something? or depreciated in kernel for tuntap or some other device? |
| 03:08.05 | troubled | bridge ahh, makes sense, my bad |
| 03:08.06 | abrotman | dualup |
| 03:08.11 | freeone3000 | Your computer should come with ram. |
| 03:08.12 | abrotman | forget it .. i'm going to bed |
| 03:08.13 | CharonX | Im using tuntap device |
| 03:08.19 | troubled | abrotman: lol l8r |
| 03:08.24 | CharonX | But it should give me the tap device |
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| 03:08.29 | epsilon | cost will depend on which one... dunno 50-100 bucks for 5121GB? |
| 03:08.32 | epsilon | 1GB |
| 03:08.39 | troubled | CharonX: didnt you have to run a command to create the device first? |
| 03:09.05 | k-man_ | ok, thanks |
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| 03:09.09 | troubled | k-man_: www.cruicial.com might help |
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| 03:09.40 | CharonX | troubled: I used mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 if that is what you mean |
| 03:10.02 | CharonX | troubled: if there is a command to just make it... I have been unable to find it |
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| 03:11.09 | troubled | CharonX: that made the device, but i thought you had to actually install userland tools and run a command to actually create the tun0 in the ifconfig list |
| 03:11.22 | troubled | CharonX: ive dont GRE before so it kinda rings a bell |
| 03:11.28 | troubled | s/dont/done/ |
| 03:12.01 | k-man_ | troubled, nice website, thanks |
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| 03:12.25 | troubled | CharonX: apt-get install bridge-tools? |
| 03:12.30 | troubled | err bridge-utils |
| 03:12.35 | CharonX | they are allready installed |
| 03:12.40 | Festyur | where can i find a list of linux compatible 802.11 NICs? |
| 03:13.02 | troubled | k-man_: only cause i think they allow you to search by mobo to by ram or make it easier if you had something picked out already |
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| 03:13.45 | k-man_ | troubled, yeah, thanks |
| 03:14.04 | k-man_ | i was also looking to see if its worth upgrading my existing pc's ram (no is the answer) |
| 03:14.05 | k-man_ | hehe |
| 03:14.16 | troubled | CharonX: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Bridge.gz? |
| 03:14.25 | liable | Festyur: hrm, i ont know of a complete list anywhere, heres two to get you started.. http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
| 03:14.41 | troubled | CharonX: both devices in promisc? brcfg -ena? |
| 03:15.00 | Festyur | liable: thanks |
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| 03:15.32 | liable | Festyur: plus of course the ipw2100/2200/3945 |
| 03:15.46 | CharonX | troubled: eth0 is configured as null, tun to be promisc |
| 03:15.55 | CharonX | And then br0 as dhcp |
| 03:16.05 | CharonX | but nothing will work if tun0 does not exist |
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| 03:16.57 | liable | Festyur: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 03:17.15 | troubled | CharonX: ok, not sure if the 2.4 and 2.6 setups are the same. but let me get this right, you want eth0 and eth1 segments to see each others traffic correct? |
| 03:17.38 | liable | Festyur: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/matrix.html |
| 03:17.39 | troubled | for some reason I thought tap0 was for tunnels like vpn |
| 03:18.11 | troubled | CharonX: i bridge just joins two diff networks/subnets togethere to see each other traffic as if on the same switch/hub |
| 03:18.46 | CharonX | troubled: I want a vpn to bridge with eth0 |
| 03:18.52 | Festyur | liable: excelent |
| 03:19.01 | Festyur | liable: thank you |
| 03:19.07 | liable | Festyur: be carefull the card you get has the right chipset, manufacturers have been known to change them without changing model no |
| 03:19.09 | CharonX | troubled: there is only 1 eth device active |
| 03:19.17 | liable | Festyur: you're welcom |
| 03:19.19 | liable | e |
| 03:19.35 | CharonX | troubled: vpn uses the tap0 device, and then I bridge it so all the clients can see the network |
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| 03:19.40 | troubled | CharonX: ok, so then eth0 and your vpn device (tap0?) need to be promisc (well, since vpn is ppp, im not sure if promisc applies) |
| 03:19.54 | CharonX | troubled: but if I cannot bring tap0 up I cannot bridge it nor can the vpn start |
| 03:19.58 | troubled | s/is/may be?/ |
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| 03:21.00 | NetEcho | etch netinst uses 2.6 as its default kernel right? |
| 03:21.14 | troubled | CharonX: you know, im not sure if you can bridge two disimilar network types like that. something seems odd. what vpn you using? does it support broacast packets? |
| 03:21.29 | troubled | NetEcho: pretty sure it was default when I did it |
| 03:21.37 | troubled | 90% sure |
| 03:21.55 | NetEcho | yea |
| 03:21.56 | NetEcho | it does |
| 03:22.03 | troubled | NetEcho: and if its not default, its definetly an option you can pick 100% sure |
| 03:22.24 | CharonX | troubled: I had it bridged before, but since I upgraded it is no longer working |
| 03:22.59 | troubled | CharonX: ahh, good to know. I was just thinking, a tunnel like GRE cant do broadcast, and if thats the case, im not sure how bridging it to a real eth device would work |
| 03:23.28 | troubled | CharonX: so your real problem is vpn then huh? What vpn/tunnel you using so I can try find doc's and look into it |
| 03:23.51 | CharonX | openvpn, but without that tap0 device showing up in ifconfig... nothing will work |
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| 03:25.32 | troubled | CharonX: help me help you :) is the tuntap showing up in dmesg? yes right? |
| 03:26.23 | CharonX | Yes |
| 03:26.30 | CharonX | It shows that it is loaded |
| 03:26.38 | k-man_ | if my mb has an amd socket 462/a slot, will any amd CPU of that socket work in it or are there other factors to check? (like voltage or clock speed?) |
| 03:26.43 | CharonX | TUN/TAP device driver loaded .... |
| 03:27.20 | troubled | would help if i used openvpn before hehe |
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| 03:27.54 | CharonX | troubled: perhaps you find something I missed, have not found much help with this :P |
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| 03:28.54 | troubled | CharonX: thats what im tryin. looking at howto's now. im guessing that a kernel option missing or else tun0 would show up in interfaces |
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| 03:30.36 | troubled | CharonX: have you rebooted since you made the device? |
| 03:30.59 | troubled | CharonX: i only ask cause the make the device first THEN modprobe it |
| 03:31.13 | CharonX | Yes, ive tried a few things |
| 03:31.16 | troubled | CharonX: and if it was in dmesg I assume it was compile in and not a module |
| 03:31.29 | eldowon | troubled: Evening. Did you ever get X working to your satisfaction? |
| 03:31.32 | CharonX | I even rebuilt my kernel to include tun/tap compiled in |
| 03:31.46 | CharonX | Im trying again with tun/tap as a module |
| 03:31.50 | troubled | CharonX: mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200, im noticing /dev/net and not just /dev, that match your dev? |
| 03:31.58 | RawSushi | I have a problem...earlier, I was fixing up my repositories to set up kompmgr...and it did a bunch of updating and shit.. |
| 03:32.06 | RawSushi | well...for some reason, I no longer have gnome |
| 03:32.11 | RawSushi | and I tried to go back and install it |
| 03:32.18 | eldowon | RawSushi: re-install it |
| 03:32.22 | stray_ | k-man_: http://tinyurl.com/a22a6 http://tinyurl.com/95a6l |
| 03:32.26 | slon` | hey |
| 03:32.27 | troubled | eldowon: no i didnt :( Its still working, but fgl was a no go no matter what. Always wanted mesagl |
| 03:32.27 | RawSushi | I tried |
| 03:32.38 | liable | RawSushi: what repos? if you have included unofficial ones... |
| 03:32.52 | RawSushi | It unmet dependencies |
| 03:32.55 | CharonX | troubled: I used mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 03:32.57 | eldowon | troubled: did you try the two fixes that were at the bottom of the wiki that I pointed you to? |
| 03:32.58 | RawSushi | whoops |
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| 03:33.04 | RawSushi | It has a bunch of unmet dependencies |
| 03:33.13 | RawSushi | I must have accidentally deleted a repo |
| 03:33.17 | RawSushi | hang on... |
| 03:33.32 | RawSushi | well...is there a way I could get the original list back? |
| 03:33.44 | liable | !mirrors |
| 03:33.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:33.44 | troubled | eldowon: no i didnt. I have the files saved locally though. ill give it a shot after I get moved i figure |
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| 03:34.03 | RawSushi | I'm thinking that's what the problem is |
| 03:34.03 | eldowon | troubled: Ah. Moving is always fun. ;/ |
| 03:34.04 | troubled | eldowon: its something to do with the agp not loading or dri |
| 03:34.28 | troubled | eldowon: the errors just keeps saying that it couldnt load agp and as a result the dri fails |
| 03:34.30 | RawSushi | eh..what file am I looking for.. |
| 03:34.33 | RawSushi | I'm kinda new to this |
| 03:34.39 | SJr|nx | Something confuses me about Hardware / software RAID. I bought a RAID card, it has a RAID utility, but for some reason it seems that this is a software RAID card. Furthermore it seems that I'm just basically using it as a IDE Controller and letting Linux do all the RAID. Why is it called a RAID card then? |
| 03:34.46 | eldowon | troubled: You know, I'm actually having a similar problem with my girlfriends PC and an AGP X800. |
| 03:34.49 | troubled | eldowon: its running with accel as we speak I think, just no 3d accel |
| 03:35.13 | eldowon | SJr|nx: marketing |
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| 03:35.19 | liable | SJr|nx: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 03:35.21 | eldowon | SJr|nx: its like the win modems |
| 03:35.26 | troubled | eldowon: at first I tried without the agpagart, but the manual seems to confure if its a no no, or a yes for sure |
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| 03:35.59 | SJr|nx | Right but a win modem is atleast in some respects a Modem, it has a phone line for instance but afaik this really does nothing but has some text app that says the set is mirrored when its not |
| 03:36.01 | eldowon | hmmm. If you have any luck, I'd love to hear about it. She's not too interested in Debian. |
| 03:36.12 | troubled | eldowon: I even tried dri compiled in bu without specific chipset (via in my case) support and with it build it and mod loaded etc. no matter what dri fails and causes flgl to fail |
| 03:36.35 | eldowon | SJr|nx: True, and your "RAID" card has the IDE connectors like the modem has the line connectors. |
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| 03:38.49 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 03:38.55 | SJr|nx | touche, eldowon |
| 03:39.03 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 03:39.05 | eldowon | :) |
| 03:39.16 | SJr|nx | I don't care if my RAID card offloads the processing to the CPU |
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| 03:39.41 | SJr|nx | and the closest match to that site liable posted says that RAID is provided by the BIOS on the card |
| 03:39.43 | eldowon | SJr|nx: I have an HP server, and it has a "RAID" card that is just the same. |
| 03:39.51 | SJr|nx | well okay so I boot up |
| 03:39.56 | SJr|nx | it says Press F3 to enter RAID utility |
| 03:40.01 | SJr|nx | I do it, I create a mirrored set |
| 03:40.07 | SJr|nx | what you are saying |
| 03:40.13 | SJr|nx | is that this does absolutetly nothing? |
| 03:40.13 | liable | SJr|nx: i have an adaptec, its basically a two channel sata controller, and the kernel does the raid.. |
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| 03:40.43 | eldowon | SJr|nx: Pretty much all it does, in my case, is to provide 2 ide channels |
| 03:40.50 | eldowon | It sucks. |
| 03:41.05 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 03:41.08 | eldowon | a lot of promise boards are supposed to be the same way. |
| 03:41.17 | SJr|nx | but... I can access both drives |
| 03:41.22 | SJr|nx | with them in a mirror set |
| 03:42.01 | liable | this was posted by someone the other day, interesting (prolly a kernel dev wrote it) http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html |
| 03:42.16 | eldowon | SJr|nx: Yes, even though your raid card is mirrored, you can still write to each drive independently. |
| 03:42.43 | liable | SJr|nx: ignore the card bios and just set up software raid, or buy a 3ware card (once you sell your first born) |
| 03:42.44 | eldowon | SJr|nx: You are stuck with fake raid. You should probably be using MD devices, mdadm, etc... |
| 03:42.45 | SJr|nx | but there is no way to write to both drives together |
| 03:42.45 | DamianFinol | Good evening, I have a situation and I was wondering if a nice sould would give me a hand: We have a small lab of computers (35) and we would like to install Debian in them ,as such we really don't want to burn 35 CD's, nor burn 1 and spend several days installing. So we would like to use PXE to boot them, and install through a HTTP mirror. We have a local repository set as to avoid clogging the internet connection, But the PXE part is a bi |
| 03:42.46 | DamianFinol | t sketchy , specially because we don't have access to edit the DHCP settings on the DHCP server (Is not in the lab). Any ideas how we can do this? |
| 03:42.47 | DocOC | what is the name of that old mac compression utility? |
| 03:43.12 | eldowon | SJr|nx: In the debian installer, you can setup software raid and install to that. |
| 03:43.20 | eldowon | SJr|nx: It works, and should work in your case. |
| 03:43.25 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 03:43.42 | eldowon | SJr|nx: The upside to this, is you can actually raid your "RAID" card together with your onboard controllers. :) |
| 03:43.45 | liable | DamianFinol: i am a pxe tard, but have you read the install guide? |
| 03:43.55 | SJr|nx | so I'm just better off with getting linux to do the RAID by itself |
| 03:44.06 | SJr|nx | the downside is that I paid $40 bucks for an IDE Controller I didn't need |
| 03:44.09 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 03:44.11 | liable | SJr|nx: thats the *only* way you can do it :) |
| 03:44.14 | SJr|nx | lol |
| 03:44.15 | DamianFinol | Yes, it requests I make some changes to the DHCP server but we don't have access to it, I was wondering if anyone had a workaround or an idea how we can do the install |
| 03:44.23 | SJr|nx | DamianFinol |
| 03:44.28 | DamianFinol | Yes SJr|nx |
| 03:44.28 | SJr|nx | these things got DVD drives? |
| 03:44.34 | DamianFinol | Afraid not |
| 03:44.45 | SJr|nx | hmmm |
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| 03:45.03 | liable | wheres tarzeau |
| 03:45.10 | DamianFinol | We don't want to burn CD's, specially because we are low on resources |
| 03:45.12 | SJr|nx | well if you just wanted to be lazy you could get a Boot CD to just dd an image of the hard disk to the hard disk |
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| 03:45.22 | SJr|nx | well you'd burn like 2 or 3 |
| 03:45.26 | SJr|nx | and it would take 5 minutes a machine |
| 03:45.28 | eldowon | SJr|nx: If you're lucky, take it back for a refund |
| 03:45.34 | SJr|nx | and it would be automated |
| 03:45.38 | DamianFinol | Don't have DVD's =/ |
| 03:45.52 | SJr|nx | probably wouldn't need a DVD |
| 03:45.52 | DamianFinol | Plus, the PC's also has Windows |
| 03:45.52 | SJr|nx | depends what you want on it I suppose |
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| 03:45.53 | SJr|nx | hmmm |
| 03:46.02 | SJr|nx | there is a PXE faq somewhere I've never done it. |
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| 03:46.10 | DamianFinol | We had to lobby hard so the school would let us install Debian on them (We are a small LUG) |
| 03:46.20 | liable | DamianFinol: install one machine and set up a dhcp server on it? |
| 03:46.24 | SJr|nx | You may want to check out some LTSP channels |
| 03:46.25 | DamianFinol | the condition was that Windows must be kept there |
| 03:46.26 | eldowon | SJr|nx: If they are all similar hardware, you could install to one, and use partimage. It is server based, and should install from a manually entered IP address. |
| 03:46.35 | SJr|nx | yeah |
| 03:46.38 | SJr|nx | that would work too |
| 03:46.50 | DamianFinol | liable, That's what we thought, but, how do we avoid the PC's from receiveing a DHCP Offer from the other DHCP server? |
| 03:47.00 | SJr|nx | LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Projects) dables in that PXE stuff alot so there documentation would likely be fresher and they'd be able to help out. |
| 03:47.14 | smagy2 | hello folks, can some point me to sample docs that talk about formal policies in framing email addresses in a corp ? if we choose first letter of firstname + lastnames@corp.com , then what does one do when there are people with same names, etc |
| 03:47.28 | eldowon | DamianFinol: Segregate the network in the wiring closet from the rest of the school, and then you would have no problem |
| 03:47.43 | liable | DamianFinol: if you have a local repo, theres no need to be connected to the net (ie the dhcp server) at all, just make the new box the server |
| 03:47.45 | DamianFinol | That's a no go, we cannot access the cable room. |
| 03:48.04 | DamianFinol | liable, That I know, we are wondering how to do the boot process on the other Terminals. |
| 03:48.37 | DamianFinol | We don't want to burn CD's (because we are low on resources) just so we can boot a netinstall |
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| 03:49.01 | eldowon | DamianFinol: CD's should be cheap, you could get 100 for under $30USD |
| 03:49.06 | eps | how do I get ls to ignore directories and symbolic links when doing a ls of a directory? |
| 03:49.09 | DamianFinol | I don't live in the US. |
| 03:49.13 | DamianFinol | We are in a third world coutnry. |
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| 03:49.29 | eldowon | DamianFinol: Well, thats a little different, sorry about that. |
| 03:49.39 | DamianFinol | Not your fault |
| 03:49.53 | SJr|nx | eps: man ls |
| 03:50.10 | liable | DamianFinol: if you can set up a box as the server, whats the problem? |
| 03:50.18 | DamianFinol | liable, Booting the other computers |
| 03:50.18 | eps | ha, I live in a first world country and they are still 80cents each in fifty packs (AUD$ which is like .75USD) |
| 03:50.35 | SJr|nx | liable can you answer one more question regarding RAID on my card, what does the BIOS utility on the card actually do then when I set it to mirror the drives? |
| 03:50.44 | DamianFinol | liable, The server is fine, that's not the issue, the issue is installing it on the other 35, since we don't have a media to boot them |
| 03:50.52 | eps | SJr|nx already done, I can only see --hide=PATTERN which would do what I want, though I don't know what PATTERN is |
| 03:51.08 | eldowon | SJr|nx: Nothing |
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| 03:51.45 | SJr|nx | oh |
| 03:51.46 | SJr|nx | eps |
| 03:51.55 | SJr|nx | you want the symbolic links and the directories just |
| 03:51.57 | SJr|nx | not to show up |
| 03:52.02 | eldowon | eps: ls -lah | grep -v "->" |
| 03:52.04 | eps | yeah |
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| 03:52.09 | liable | SJr|nx: nothing, though you will find, if you disable the bios, the kernel wont see it at all |
| 03:52.09 | troubled | CharonX: hey |
| 03:52.21 | eps | eldowon is there a way to do it using the ls command |
| 03:52.33 | SJr|nx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.34 | SJr|nx | nice |
| 03:52.48 | eldowon | eps: I dont know. Also, ls -l | grep -v $l |
| 03:52.54 | troubled | CharonX: just so you know, I did the mknod and modprobe on my box and nothing tun0 shows up for me eiher in 2.6.16-11 debianiazed kernel |
| 03:52.58 | DamianFinol | So I guess we are screwed :( |
| 03:53.00 | eps | $l? |
| 03:53.00 | eldowon | eps: if you notice, the first character on any link is l |
| 03:53.06 | liable | DamianFinol: eh? if they can boot from network, what media are you talking about? |
| 03:53.06 | eps | ah |
| 03:53.11 | eldowon | eps: Sorry, ^l |
| 03:53.20 | DamianFinol | liable, PXE requires a DHCP server, we cannot set up one. |
| 03:53.22 | eldowon | the ^ signifies the start of the line. |
| 03:53.33 | CharonX | troubled: I rebuilt a kernel again, and it showed up this time..... but it looks like it only does so when I start openvpn |
| 03:53.35 | troubled | DamianFinol: wasnt pxe a bootp server? |
| 03:53.45 | eldowon | DamianFinol: look into partimage. |
| 03:53.47 | eps | thanks eldowon |
| 03:53.51 | liable | DamianFinol: thats what i was saying, cant you manually install one machine with debian, and set it up as the server? |
| 03:53.56 | eldowon | troubled: I think pxe is bootp |
| 03:54.01 | DamianFinol | Every PXE Tutorial I've read requires you to put something in the DHCP config |
| 03:54.12 | DamianFinol | eldowon, We already discussed that |
| 03:54.19 | troubled | CharonX: cool. what im wondering is if the device just doesnt get registered until openvpn creates it using the device in /dev/net/tun |
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| 03:54.22 | SJr|nx | Oh |
| 03:54.23 | SJr|nx | hmmm |
| 03:54.32 | CharonX | troubled: I now have config_eth0=("null") config_tap0=("0.0.0.0 promisc") ..... etc and br0 setup |
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| 03:54.37 | shawn___ | im getting "passwd: Critical error - immediate abort" |
| 03:54.38 | DamianFinol | liable, My question is, there is already a DHCP Server in the network, how do I avoid that DHCP server form answering the DHCP REquests. |
| 03:54.43 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 03:54.51 | shawn___ | anyone know whats wrong |
| 03:54.53 | CharonX | troubled: if that is true then if vpn fails.. my server will not be connected to the net |
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| 03:55.01 | eldowon | CharonX: the tun/tap devices are created by openvpn when a vpn session is started. |
| 03:55.01 | SJr|nx | Without changing the DHCP Server, or the network, or the client, you can't DamianFinol |
| 03:55.05 | liable | DamianFinol: the switch/hub is in another room? |
| 03:55.09 | CharonX | troubled: because the bridge will not come up because tap0 will not exist |
| 03:55.13 | DamianFinol | In another building |
| 03:55.39 | SJr|nx | the DHCP Server can be set to ignore some afaik, I know the client can be set to to ignore from a certain server (but the PXE client probably doesn't have an option), and you could add a network device |
| 03:55.40 | troubled | CharonX: by create I meant use a kernel api to actual init the interface |
| 03:55.40 | eldowon | DamianFinol: If you can find enough patch cables and a spare switch... |
| 03:55.45 | SJr|nx | Wait |
| 03:55.46 | SJr|nx | DamianFinol, |
| 03:55.50 | DamianFinol | We are low on resources. |
| 03:55.54 | liable | DamianFinol: hrm, dunno. I dont know enough about it.. :( |
| 03:55.56 | SJr|nx | do you have a floppy disk? |
| 03:56.08 | CharonX | With this bridge setup sshd fails on startup though... because br0 cannot start yet |
| 03:56.13 | CharonX | :( |
| 03:56.20 | DamianFinol | Yes, but we are back at the start, we are gonna need, 35 floppy disks |
| 03:56.20 | SJr|nx | cause instead of using PXE you could probably get a image and boot off of it. |
| 03:56.22 | troubled | CharonX: really, the modprobe should load the modules and init the settings and make available to 10/200 devices |
| 03:56.24 | SJr|nx | no you aren't |
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| 03:56.43 | troubled | CharonX: just put br0 setup in your interfaces? |
| 03:56.44 | DamianFinol | Yea, part of doing the installation is showing how to install Debian |
| 03:56.48 | eldowon | DamianFinol: No, you could do it with one floppy. wait untill it boots and go on to the next machine. |
| 03:57.03 | SJr|nx | DamianFinol, if you get the network install stuff, that stuff is all loaded into RAM |
| 03:57.06 | DamianFinol | To 35 people, so, if they have to wait till someone boots, that'tll take a good chunk of time |
| 03:57.07 | SJr|nx | you'd just boot off the CD |
| 03:57.09 | SJr|nx | and that would be it. |
| 03:57.26 | troubled | CharonX: when I did a gre tunnel years ago I used a postup command for br0 (or maybe preup) to run the commands to actually create the gre tunnel |
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| 03:57.35 | SJr|nx | hmmm |
| 03:57.39 | eldowon | DamianFinol: You would only have to do that once, during the install. After that, it would be a dual boot system if windows was already installed. |
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| 03:57.57 | SJr|nx | But in theory you'd boot of the CD and it would load the image to RAM. |
| 03:58.12 | SJr|nx | the other thing that occurs to me is that even if the other DHCP server answers I'm not sure if the PXE clients will do antyhing with it. |
| 03:58.18 | SJr|nx | Because they wouldn't offer PXE images |
| 03:58.30 | SJr|nx | and since they are trying to use PXE |
| 03:58.35 | SJr|nx | your server would just answer. |
| 03:58.44 | CharonX | troubled: hmm, it seems sshd started anyways... |
| 03:58.45 | liable | point |
| 03:58.48 | DamianFinol | Not sure that would work |
| 03:58.55 | SJr|nx | its a thought |
| 03:59.04 | SJr|nx | when you make a DHCP request, all servers will respond. |
| 03:59.07 | troubled | CharonX: isnt networking fun :) |
| 03:59.07 | DamianFinol | Oh and I'll give it a try |
| 03:59.08 | liable | DamianFinol: wont know untill you try :) |
| 03:59.11 | CharonX | troubled: I got the error before it entered init level 3 |
| 03:59.15 | SJr|nx | DamianFinol, as I said before |
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| 03:59.26 | DamianFinol | Yes, and the host will accept the first DHCP Offer |
| 03:59.27 | liable | CharonX: init3? |
| 03:59.30 | SJr|nx | Yes |
| 03:59.31 | DamianFinol | I'm familiar with the DHC Protocol |
| 03:59.37 | SJr|nx | yes |
| 03:59.37 | eldowon | DamianFinol: You have 35 computers you want to network install, but you have no access to the switches, or cabling. You have to retain windows. |
| 03:59.39 | liable | CharonX: why are you booting to init3? |
| 03:59.44 | SJr|nx | but they are looking for a PXE image |
| 03:59.49 | eldowon | DamianFinol: Is that correct? |
| 03:59.56 | DamianFinol | eldowon, That is correct. |
| 03:59.57 | SJr|nx | DamianFinol, if you want advise with DHCP and PXE I really think #ltsp is the place to be. |
| 04:00.00 | troubled | CharonX: runlevel 3? |
| 04:00.07 | SJr|nx | They deal with that stuff on a daily basis. |
| 04:00.21 | eldowon | DamianFinol: Would a virtual machine running windows be sufficient? If so, Qemu would do nicely. |
| 04:00.23 | SJr|nx | and they'd probably have more real world experiance then us here, no offense. |
| 04:00.38 | liable | whats ltsp stand for? |
| 04:00.43 | DamianFinol | eldowon, Afraid not |
| 04:00.44 | SJr|nx | Linux Terminal Server Project |
| 04:00.50 | liable | ah |
| 04:00.54 | SJr|nx | its really cool basically you get these old machines, with NICS boot off the network |
| 04:00.56 | DamianFinol | eldowon, and even then, we would still have the installation issue |
| 04:00.59 | SJr|nx | and it runs Linux off remote machines |
| 04:01.07 | liable | SJr|nx: old school :) |
| 04:01.08 | SJr|nx | it's really cool, I saw a presentation on it at LFNW |
| 04:01.16 | CharonX | liable: troubled: heh, gentoo :P |
| 04:01.23 | SJr|nx | It looked really cool but in my tiny bachelor pad I have no use for it. |
| 04:01.25 | liable | err, i guess that should be skool |
| 04:01.33 | liable | CharonX: see ya! |
| 04:01.35 | SJr|nx | but they have to deal with PXE and Linux and various network issues all the time |
| 04:01.46 | CharonX | see ya! ? |
| 04:01.54 | SJr|nx | and they'd have the best advise for this |
| 04:02.06 | liable | CharonX: you are wanting gentoo help in #debian? |
| 04:02.13 | DamianFinol | Ok, this is interesting |
| 04:02.13 | SJr|nx | lol |
| 04:02.15 | CharonX | No, just tun0 help |
| 04:02.18 | DamianFinol | he PXE options identify the firmware as capable of PXE, but they will be ignored by standard DHCP servers. If the firmware receives DHCPOFFERs from such servers, it may configure itself by requesting one of the offered configurations. |
| 04:02.20 | SJr|nx | I come here for my Fedora Core help :P |
| 04:02.48 | CharonX | liable: it does not matter what distro for that and I actually got some help here |
| 04:03.03 | SJr|nx | whats the problem Charon sorry I wasn't paying attn |
| 04:03.04 | eldowon | SJr|nx: FC forums not good enough? |
| 04:03.05 | peterS | CharonX: so why are you not using the support resources of your distribution? do they suck that bad? |
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| 04:03.37 | CharonX | Sheesh... is everyone that touchy, I use both debian and gentoo ..... |
| 04:03.46 | SJr|nx | lol I dunno, I'm being forced to use FC at work, and I don't know the first thing about it. |
| 04:03.50 | CharonX | debian for production servers and gentoo for dev/testing |
| 04:04.00 | SJr|nx | and generally fedora core users have this GUI way of doing everything |
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| 04:04.06 | peterS | CharonX: yeah, that's not an answer. I ask because we're being asked to provide support for someone else's distribution. for free. do you think we're _happy_ to do that? |
| 04:04.17 | SJr|nx | and since its a server there no real help. |
| 04:04.31 | SJr|nx | CharonX whats the actual problem |
| 04:04.41 | CharonX | Its kind of fixed now. |
| 04:04.45 | SJr|nx | I don't think it matters too much which channel you go for help in unless its very distro specific. |
| 04:04.50 | SerajewelKS | is there any immediately obvious reason why FF on windows renders pages a ton faster than FF on linux on my box? |
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| 04:04.58 | SJr|nx | you better not come here for problems with yum. |
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| 04:05.00 | SJr|nx | :P |
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| 04:05.19 | SerajewelKS | hell, FF running on windows in vmware on linux renders faster than on linux |
| 04:05.28 | SJr|nx | SerajewelKS, how is X otherwise, you may not be using the best driver. |
| 04:05.35 | SJr|nx | hmmm |
| 04:05.41 | eldowon | SerajewelKS: Thats because windows is faster than linux. |
| 04:05.42 | CharonX | peterS: someone elses distro ? isn't it all open source and supposed to be a open source community ? |
| 04:05.55 | SerajewelKS | SJr|nx: great. using the *cough*nonfree*cough* nvidia drivers |
| 04:05.59 | SJr|nx | hmmm |
| 04:06.02 | SerajewelKS | !beat eldowon |
| 04:06.04 | peterS | CharonX: you aren't the one sitting here using your own time answering people's questions |
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| 04:06.12 | SJr|nx | how slow is it? |
| 04:06.21 | SJr|nx | peterS then don't answer them |
| 04:06.21 | liable | CharonX: sorry, we use it as a cop out often, if your are gonna ask gentoo questions in debian, make sue you sanitise your answers so they are #debian proof :) |
| 04:06.39 | troubled | lol |
| 04:06.41 | CharonX | peterS Right at this moment, no. But I do help others when I can. But when Im suck I can only do so much on my own |
| 04:06.48 | peterS | CharonX: you're the one _asking_ for help. until I see you _providing_ help, I won't be too much inclined to listen to you opine that we should be providing more of it to more people who don't even think our distribution is worth running |
| 04:07.14 | CharonX | The problem I had was disto generic... |
| 04:07.16 | SerajewelKS | SJr|nx: noticably slower |
| 04:07.22 | SJr|nx | hmmmm interesting |
| 04:07.30 | SJr|nx | I don't have an answer for you SerajewelKS |
| 04:07.34 | pstickne | peterS, who'd want to run debian? ;) |
| 04:07.36 | CharonX | peterS I run 3 debian servers..... |
| 04:07.41 | liable | CharonX: unfortunately we get *many* people asking for other distro support here, so as soon as we notice a *non-debian* answer, we kinda get pissed off.. |
| 04:07.46 | CharonX | Just happend to have gentoo as well |
| 04:07.48 | eldowon | !beat pstickne |
| 04:07.53 | peterS | CharonX: that's beside the point. the machine you're having trouble with isn't one of them, it seems. |
| 04:08.04 | SJr|nx | I'd take it as a compliment that people come here for support. |
| 04:08.17 | peterS | CharonX: _you_ call it coincidence that it's the gentoo box you can't fix, _we_ call it Somebody Else's Problem |
| 04:08.21 | SerajewelKS | SJr|nx: great, you answer thoir questions then =) |
| 04:08.26 | SerajewelKS | their* |
| 04:08.48 | CharonX | peterS glad you are there for others ...... seriously I dont understand why you are so up in arms over that... |
| 04:08.55 | SJr|nx | it's always someone elses problem PeterS, just because they run the same distrobution doesn't mean that there is some moral obligation to support them. |
| 04:09.19 | liable | i am giving up smoking, an unfortunate repercussion of this, is I think I am going to have to give up beer for a while too :( |
| 04:09.25 | SerajewelKS | SJr|nx: this is the debian support channel. not the linux support channel. |
| 04:09.27 | peterS | SJr|nx: the reason we're in #debian rather than in ##linux is because we _want_ to help Debian users specifically. we choose to spend our time doing that. we should be allowed to choose. |
| 04:09.32 | eldowon | !beer liable |
| 04:09.35 | CharonX | Apparently if you do not run someones fav distro and only that distro you are not worth helping |
| 04:09.38 | eldowon | :D couldn't resist |
| 04:09.43 | liable | noooo!! |
| 04:09.54 | SerajewelKS | CharonX: are you expecting us to know about gentoo at all? |
| 04:09.57 | eldowon | liable: Fine. |
| 04:10.02 | eldowon | !beer everyone but liable |
| 04:10.03 | SJr|nx | you are allowed to choose who you support but it's not like this channel is currently inundated with help for debian specific issues, and from what I read his is'nt even a distro problem. |
| 04:10.06 | CharonX | SerajewelKS: NO, the problem was VERY generic |
| 04:10.10 | liable | heh |
| 04:10.21 | SerajewelKS | CharonX: can you describe it again? i missed it. |
| 04:10.23 | eldowon | liable: Hope I made you happy. |
| 04:10.30 | peterS | CharonX: correct, I'm willing to spend a certain amount of time and energy helping people with their linux problems. I would prefer to spend it helping Debian users, not only because it's the system I know best, it's also the system I _like_ best. |
| 04:10.30 | liable | eldowon: no :( |
| 04:10.32 | CharonX | I was unable to make a tap0 device appear |
| 04:10.34 | eldowon | ammit |
| 04:10.40 | eldowon | s/ammit/dammit/ |
| 04:11.01 | SJr|nx | CharonX, okay well from my expirance with UML the tap0 device will only come up when the other device has connected. |
| 04:11.02 | SerajewelKS | CharonX: that's almost too generic... |
| 04:11.22 | peterS | CharonX: does your preferred kernel release (I have no idea what kernel you're running since you aren't running debian) still even support the tap device? |
| 04:11.23 | CharonX | I tried #linux but ended up empty as well as #gentoo |
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| 04:11.36 | peterS | CharonX: I'm not sure there is a useful #linux, try ##linux |
| 04:11.38 | SerajewelKS | !tell CharonX about they don't know |
| 04:11.44 | CharonX | I use a downloaded kernel from kernel.org |
| 04:11.47 | liable | meh, not needed |
| 04:11.48 | SJr|nx | I think #linuxhelp is pretty good |
| 04:11.58 | CharonX | It supports tun/tap devices |
| 04:12.04 | SJr|nx | User Mode Linux uses the tap device in 2.6.17 |
| 04:12.06 | Bangers | using linux, whats the quickest way to do the equivalent of ghosting a network over a network? |
| 04:12.10 | Bangers | all hosts on same vlan |
| 04:12.21 | SJr|nx | ghosting a network over a network? |
| 04:12.33 | CharonX | 2.6.15.4 |
| 04:12.46 | eldowon | SJr|nx: A little. I got a very complicated answer stringing together multiple commands to get extracted text. abrotman here showed me that all I needed was grep -o :D |
| 04:12.46 | Bangers | sorry lol, ghosting a host over the network |
| 04:12.48 | eldowon | mabye I'm biased to #debian |
| 04:12.51 | peterS | SJr|nx: he might be referring to installing a computer from a disk image, such as one does with Norton Ghost |
| 04:13.01 | SJr|nx | oh |
| 04:13.03 | SJr|nx | that makes sense |
| 04:13.07 | NetEcho | is grub supposed to be slow loading the first time arround? |
| 04:13.14 | NetEcho | or wtf |
| 04:13.16 | SJr|nx | CharonX, are you sure that the device is suppose to be up / appear at all |
| 04:13.17 | eldowon | Bangers: Try partimage |
| 04:13.21 | NetEcho | grub is taking ages to load on my system |
| 04:13.22 | liable | Bangers: for a ghost equiv check partimage |
| 04:13.24 | Bangers | peterS, correct - i know one option I have is ghost, but i wants an infastrcture of sorts, which i cbf doing |
| 04:13.33 | liable | NetEcho: what box? |
| 04:13.39 | Bangers | ta, looking now |
| 04:13.51 | NetEcho | its a AMD Athlon 64 3000+ with 1gb of ram |
| 04:14.00 | Bangers | NTFS is still experimental :s |
| 04:14.03 | CharonX | SJr|nx: I was trying to create a bridge with tap0 and eth0. But it did not seem to work untill openvpn was started first |
| 04:14.04 | liable | NetEcho: i have a problem with a moderately old thinkpad, i had to use lilo in the end |
| 04:14.15 | SJr|nx | CharonX, thats normal |
| 04:14.15 | eldowon | Bangers: That will be the case for most all packages. |
| 04:14.30 | SJr|nx | If you want to make top0 and eth0 a bridge |
| 04:14.38 | CharonX | SJr|nx: I just figured that, but here is the kicker if openvpn fails then all networking on the box fails |
| 04:14.45 | SJr|nx | hmmm |
| 04:14.47 | eldowon | If you have a machine that you an install VMware on, I might have a VM that I can point you to that uses the NTFS driver form windows. |
| 04:15.01 | SJr|nx | ? |
| 04:15.04 | SJr|nx | why VMWare? |
| 04:15.12 | CharonX | SJr|nx: as br0 gets an address via dhcp and if br0 is not there eth0 has no address |
| 04:15.19 | eldowon | SJr|nx: It is a premade 'appliance' for VMware. |
| 04:15.23 | SJr|nx | ah |
| 04:15.27 | eldowon | SJr|nx: offered already configured, etc. |
| 04:15.32 | SJr|nx | ah |
| 04:15.35 | SJr|nx | Hmmmm |
| 04:15.39 | CharonX | SJr|nx: and for br0 to exist tap0 must exist |
| 04:15.55 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 04:16.00 | SJr|nx | why does br0 need an IP Address? |
| 04:16.09 | eldowon | Bangers: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/321 |
| 04:16.25 | SJr|nx | CharonX, if I was you, I'd get eth0:1 to have your machines IP Address |
| 04:16.29 | CharonX | not sure but its been setup like this for a long time |
| 04:16.31 | SJr|nx | or even eth0 |
| 04:16.32 | CharonX | I can try that out |
| 04:16.41 | SJr|nx | eth0 should be ablet o have an IP Address in a bridge |
| 04:16.51 | SJr|nx | I don't think br0 needs an IP ADdress for anything |
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| 04:17.24 | cygnus | hi, is there debian apache2 ssl package ? |
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| 04:17.29 | cygnus | cause i can't find it in etch |
| 04:18.11 | liable | apache2-mod-ssl? |
| 04:18.45 | peterS | liable: eh? where is that? |
| 04:18.59 | liable | peterS: i just amde it up apparently |
| 04:19.03 | liable | made |
| 04:19.03 | eldowon | liable: apt-cache search apache2 | grep ssl shows nothing |
| 04:19.25 | eldowon | liable: Mabye you *do* need to lay off the beer :] |
| 04:19.27 | liable | yes, i spoke before i searched |
| 04:19.32 | peterS | eldowon: and yet 'apt-cache show apache2-common' mentions SSL |
| 04:19.33 | cygnus | i think it's just a mod default with apache2 now |
| 04:19.41 | cygnus | since there is some mod-ssl.conf in /etc/apache2 |
| 04:19.49 | liable | eldowon: there is no doubt |
| 04:19.50 | cygnus | ill check it out... |
| 04:20.13 | eldowon | peterS: This is why I'm not a guru L) |
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| 04:20.18 | CharonX | SJr|nx: I just tried it out br0 needs an ip as when it bridges tap0 and eth0 it removes the ip addy from eth0 |
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| 04:23.49 | CharonX | I love how many of the people that were NOT helping shit all over me when they found out its gentoo for my generic problem .... funny stuff |
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| 04:24.19 | eldowon | CharonX: Not everyone knows everything about everything. |
| 04:24.23 | liable | CharonX: oh c'mon, people still tried, maybe now they have run out of ideas? |
| 04:24.38 | CharonX | I was happy for the help I got |
| 04:24.41 | eldowon | CharonX: Thats why you are here. Thats why most of us are here. |
| 04:25.02 | CharonX | But the people helping did not seem to care that it was gentoo, just some were telling me to go elsewhere.... for some reason ? |
| 04:25.34 | liable | CharonX: its a long rocky road as to why we dont support other distros |
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| 04:25.54 | eldowon | CharonX: a catholic wouldn't go to a baptist church on sunday, even though they pray to the same god. |
| 04:26.08 | peterS | eldowon: do not speak of what you do not know. some catholics would. |
| 04:26.18 | liable | eldowon: noooo, dont compare religion to linux distros :P |
| 04:26.21 | eldowon | peterS: True enough. I will silence that. |
| 04:26.25 | CharonX | I could have had debian and the problem would have existed... I had too many generic packages installed .... etc |
| 04:26.35 | eldowon | it was a bad metaphor anyway. |
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| 04:27.38 | peterS | eldowon: a better metaphor might be a restaurant which does not give you a student/military discount unless you're actually a student or in the military. even though they could if they wanted to. |
| 04:28.04 | peterS | and even if you're a former student, or formerly enlisted. |
| 04:28.18 | jetscreamer | sounds like other distro to me |
| 04:28.24 | CharonX | eldowon: and Catholics, Lutherans, or Baptist would still help each other out in times of need |
| 04:28.48 | eldowon | CharonX: some would. others wouldn't |
| 04:29.01 | CharonX | Guess that goes for here as well |
| 04:29.12 | jetscreamer | let me guess: ubuntu |
| 04:29.14 | eldowon | But I think all would agree that I brought something here that doesn't need to be here. |
| 04:29.18 | peterS | jetscreamer: nope, gentoo |
| 04:29.28 | jetscreamer | weeurd |
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| 04:29.42 | liable | CharonX: harping about why we arent helping you solve a problem on gentoo isnt helping your cause (its most unusual you havent been silenced yet, and yes, theres ops here atm) so please try and give more info to the problem than be angry we arent helping |
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| 04:29.54 | peterS | liable: he did get some help |
| 04:29.56 | CharonX | liable: I was not harping.... |
| 04:30.01 | CharonX | I had help |
| 04:30.15 | peterS | if everyone could shut up about it right about now, that'd be great. I think everything that is to be said has been said. thanks all. |
| 04:30.16 | eldowon | CharonX: saying that others were shitting on you is harping in my humble opinion |
| 04:30.20 | CharonX | Then I said I had gentoo, and the only people that got in a huff were those not helping |
| 04:30.31 | peterS | eldowon, CharonX, that means you too. |
| 04:30.34 | SJr|nx | CharonX, use eth0:1 |
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| 04:32.22 | liable | heh, you didnt say you had it, you supplied an answer that wasnt debian :P |
| 04:33.05 | Bread | Would anyone know of an application, or a way to link a persistant sftp connection to a directory, no KDE or Gnome mind. |
| 04:33.17 | eldowon | Bread: shfs |
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| 04:33.30 | peterS | he means sshfs |
| 04:33.48 | Bread | Cheers, I'll have a google. |
| 04:33.53 | eldowon | peterS: No, shfs. I couldnt get sshfs to work |
| 04:33.57 | peterS | oh, I guess there's both. I wonder what the difference is |
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| 04:34.10 | ApEtc | sshffs? :) |
| 04:34.22 | eldowon | ApEtc: mount over ssh |
| 04:34.31 | liable | hehe |
| 04:35.35 | liable | !beer eldowon |
| 04:35.35 | eps | where is the dictionary for openoffice kept? |
| 04:35.42 | eldowon | :) |
| 04:36.04 | eps | I'm trying some greps against /usr/share/dict/words though dictionaries-common which is ment to provide it seems to just be leaving a dangling symlink there |
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| 04:36.15 | eps | I just need a huge list of words to grep against |
| 04:36.26 | peterS | eps: the 'wenglish' package might be what you want |
| 04:36.40 | NetEcho | grub seems to be preventing my system from booting now |
| 04:36.59 | eps | NetEcho your system is preventing grub from booting |
| 04:37.02 | NetEcho | its been 8 mins and grub hasn't booted |
| 04:37.10 | NetEcho | eps other way arround |
| 04:37.15 | eps | NetEcho it never is |
| 04:37.16 | NetEcho | this system has never had problems with bootloaders |
| 04:37.21 | ApEtc | eldowon: It was a joke using popular initialisms. |
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| 04:37.33 | eps | thanks peterS :) |
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| 04:37.40 | NetEcho | grub is just not functioning like it should |
| 04:37.48 | odla | i cant' seem to burn a cd as regular user with k3b |
| 04:37.51 | eldowon | ApEtc: Sometimes I'm slow, and sometimes I'm just not quick |
| 04:37.59 | odla | it keeps failing on me and it won't allow me to change premissions |
| 04:38.19 | NetEcho | could it be the version in ETCH? |
| 04:38.21 | NetEcho | 1.5 |
| 04:38.28 | odla | me? |
| 04:38.28 | liable | odla: i seem to remember many people complaing of this. just use cdrecord as root |
| 04:38.44 | jetscreamer | !pal liable |
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| 04:38.46 | NetEcho | guess I gotta use bootit |
| 04:39.23 | liable | jetscreamer: why do you always laugh at me? you are giving me a complex.. |
| 04:39.33 | liable | :P |
| 04:40.01 | eldowon | liable: could it be your easy to laugh at once you've had a drink? |
| 04:40.40 | liable | eldowon: how do you know i am drinking atm? and btw, most people dont seem to get my humour :P |
| 04:40.47 | NetEcho | wtf is Ultra DMA Mode 5? |
| 04:40.56 | odla | how do i tell cdrecord to burn directory Photos? |
| 04:41.00 | peterS | NetEcho: also known as ATA/100 |
| 04:41.02 | eldowon | NetEcho: Direct Memory Access. You want it |
| 04:41.09 | odla | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 /home/Photos? |
| 04:41.21 | NetEcho | no it just randomly started showing up in my BIOS Post messages |
| 04:41.23 | liable | odla: first make an iso |
| 04:41.25 | eldowon | odla: Run k3b as root. |
| 04:41.34 | odla | i can't run k3b as root |
| 04:41.42 | peterS | NetEcho: well, it's just IDE running at a line speed of 100 MB/s, put it that way |
| 04:41.42 | eldowon | odla: Why not? |
| 04:41.49 | odla | eldowon: it fails |
| 04:41.59 | eldowon | odla: Thats a good reason. |
| 04:42.00 | NetEcho | ok |
| 04:42.14 | NetEcho | after grub got installed I can't boot grub I can't boot CDs I can't boot the HDD |
| 04:42.25 | liable | odla: i blieve the key is setting cdrecord suid and also cdroa |
| 04:42.31 | odla | ok how about you're not suppose to run those apps as root, or k3b: cannot connect to X server :0.0 if that makes you happy |
| 04:42.37 | liable | odla: many think that is a security risk |
| 04:42.42 | eldowon | NetEcho: grub shouldn't prevent you from booting cdroms... |
| 04:42.48 | odla | yeah i've heard that about the new kernels or something |
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| 04:43.05 | NetEcho | eldowon but it has now |
| 04:43.16 | NetEcho | I've been sitting at boot screens in excess of 10 mins |
| 04:43.21 | NetEcho | blank sorry |
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| 04:43.30 | eldowon | odla: If you are running KDE, right click on the k3b icon, and place into run menu. Then go to options, and enter root credentials |
| 04:44.22 | NetEcho | only thing I can do is get to the bios |
| 04:44.33 | NetEcho | gonna try to disable the HDD boots for now |
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| 04:46.17 | sepehre | hi there, how can I switch between the grub text and graphical modes? |
| 04:46.48 | liable | sepehre: in ubuntu? |
| 04:46.58 | sepehre | yes |
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| 04:47.25 | liable | sepehre: we dont know, debian doesnt have graphical mode, ask in #ubuntu |
| 04:47.44 | sepehre | hmm I see, thanks |
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| 04:47.54 | Tallu| | Well that was easy |
| 04:47.58 | eldowon | I didn't know we didn't have a graphical mode. |
| 04:48.11 | liable | eldowon: bootsplash |
| 04:48.32 | eldowon | liable: Ahh. So many things to learn. |
| 04:48.38 | RuiM | hi, what is wrong with this command "update-rc.d -n script start 75 S .", no links are created :-\ |
| 04:49.22 | eldowon | RuiM: any errors? |
| 04:49.28 | liable | RuiM: um, -n switch? |
| 04:49.51 | NetEcho | not being able to access anything is getting annoying |
| 04:50.10 | NetEcho | hey thats a site for sore eyes |
| 04:50.13 | eldowon | NetEcho: With HDD boots off you can't boot from the cdrom? |
| 04:50.41 | RuiM | liable: thanks :-) |
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| 04:51.12 | NetEcho | eldowon after clearing the CMOS and letting the system sit for a min yes |
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| 04:51.37 | eldowon | NetEcho: have you tried lilo? |
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| 04:51.57 | NetEcho | eldowon I'm about to install it once I get BootIT setup to boot linux partitions |
| 04:52.04 | Tidus | someone poke me? |
| 04:52.15 | liable | !poke Tidus |
| 04:52.15 | david-work | I get "Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing.'" when ever I try to start an ini.d script. I also do not have a *.REAL in /sbin is there anyway to fix this without having to reinstall? |
| 04:52.19 | Stevie-O | ew |
| 04:52.20 | liable | ew |
| 04:52.24 | Loto | Afternoon, I am trying to install some packages that require updated versions of libgcc1 and a couple other libraries (installing ivtv driver package from 3rd party repository). The versions available in the stable repositories are too old and do not meet the dependancies. I added 'testing' version of deb and deb-src repositories and now find that many packages are attempting to uninstall my 2.6.8-16 kernel and upgrade the default 2.4 kernel |
| 04:52.32 | Loto | am i doing something incorrectly? |
| 04:52.38 | liable | Tidus: you asked for it! |
| 04:53.09 | eldowon | Tidus: you did. |
| 04:53.15 | NetEcho | man bootit has gotten me out of many tight jams |
| 04:53.33 | Stevie-O | there's a worse one there |
| 04:53.38 | liable | david-work: what package is this? |
| 04:53.46 | Tidus | usually, the 'tight jams' i get myself into... bootit wont help |
| 04:53.49 | Stevie-O | !literal cmd: poke (.*?) |
| 04:53.49 | dpkg | "cmd: poke (.*?)" is "($1): <action>pokes $1 with a (stick|cattle prod|dildo|severed Red Hat user's finger)" |
| 04:54.00 | Tidus | some muscle relaxers do tho |
| 04:54.00 | david-work | liable, any init.d script start-stop is part of base os |
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| 04:55.07 | liable | david-work: really? tried re-installing start-stop-daemon? |
| 04:55.16 | david-work | liable, how? |
| 04:55.29 | david-work | isnt is from the bootstrap step? |
| 04:55.35 | david-work | is it actually a pkg? |
| 04:55.45 | liable | david-work: yes its a package |
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| 04:55.58 | david-work | o ok ty I will look into it |
| 04:56.03 | liable | david-work: can you even boot? |
| 04:56.14 | liable | single mode even? |
| 04:56.17 | david-work | yeah the system works fine |
| 04:56.29 | david-work | I just cant start things like syslog or sshd |
| 04:57.18 | NetEcho | grr |
| 04:57.25 | NetEcho | grub is still trying to control the mbr |
| 04:58.01 | NetEcho | when its been removed |
| 04:58.22 | eldowon | NetEcho: I believe you have to install another bootloader to completely remove grub. I could be wrong though. |
| 04:58.24 | liable | NetEcho: you dont remove things from the mbr, you need to overwrite them |
| 04:59.52 | NetEcho | trying to do that |
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| 05:01.54 | liable | i have a celeron box, that the cpu fan screem on, however there is no real ways i can controll it through acpi, what the hell can i do other than get a quiter fan? |
| 05:02.19 | liable | yay, great typing liable |
| 05:03.21 | eldowon | liable: go water cooling |
| 05:03.25 | eldowon | liable: or phase change |
| 05:03.28 | NetEcho | liable how would you suggest overwriting the mbr |
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| 05:03.40 | liable | eldowon: its micro atx |
| 05:03.48 | liable | NetEcho: install another bootloader |
| 05:03.56 | liable | eldowon: ie, no room |
| 05:03.57 | eldowon | liable: switch to a via chipset |
| 05:04.04 | eldowon | liable: Mine is passively cooled |
| 05:04.38 | liable | eldowon: passive cpu heatsink in a micro atx case? |
| 05:04.55 | liable | eldowon: wtf does a via chipset have to do with it? |
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| 05:05.02 | NetEcho | eldowon VIA chipsets are horrid |
| 05:05.04 | eldowon | liable: Yup. the voompc case. Not using the fan. Of course the system only draws like 13W. |
| 05:05.09 | eldowon | liable: via CPU |
| 05:05.21 | eldowon | NetEcho: I havent had any problems with the via chipset / cpu. |
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| 05:05.32 | NetEcho | eldowon I've had 2 VIA chipsets |
| 05:05.35 | NetEcho | 1 being my current |
| 05:05.39 | NetEcho | VIA makes them extremely slow |
| 05:05.49 | NetEcho | VIA CPU's are nothing but cyrix's |
| 05:05.58 | mikedep333 | hello, I just started running a debian based VM appliance, but it is set to use german part of the time and set to use a different keyboard layout |
| 05:06.01 | mikedep333 | how do I change these? |
| 05:06.04 | eldowon | NetEcho: Well, I am actually using it for an application that isn't resourse intensive |
| 05:06.07 | mikedep333 | to english and US keyboard |
| 05:06.18 | liable | mikedep333: in x or console? |
| 05:06.33 | NetEcho | VIA chipsets are slow as in they make boot times and device access times a load slower then they should be |
| 05:06.40 | mikedep333 | in console |
| 05:06.40 | NetEcho | my system should be able to boot in under 30 seconds |
| 05:06.45 | NetEcho | instead it takes over 2 minutes |
| 05:06.59 | NetEcho | all because of that chipset |
| 05:07.09 | liable | mikedep333: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 05:07.14 | mikedep333 | thx |
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| 05:08.45 | NetEcho | and VIA CPUs aka Cyrix are no special thing either |
| 05:08.51 | NetEcho | Cyrix has always been way behind the times |
| 05:09.10 | eldowon | NetEcho: is is for a box that just does barcode scanning. I needed nothing special :) |
| 05:09.13 | NetEcho | when Intel hit P2 Cyrix was still in the 80386 and 486 end of the cpu familys |
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| 05:09.48 | mikedep333 | liable: thanks, that got the keymap straightened |
| 05:09.52 | mikedep333 | *straightened out |
| 05:09.56 | eldowon | NetEcho: True, but for low power applications the bleeding edge doesn't need to be reached. |
| 05:09.57 | troubled | my toaster has more computing power than a cyrix cpu |
| 05:10.01 | mikedep333 | but stuff is still in german |
| 05:10.06 | mikedep333 | I need to get it to english |
| 05:10.26 | troubled | they must be using vacuum tubes in their cpu's :) |
| 05:11.06 | eldowon | troubled: you're just jealous because yours runs too loud. |
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| 05:11.11 | liable | mikedep333: sweet |
| 05:11.11 | troubled | heh |
| 05:11.36 | liable | mikedep333: hrm, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:11.50 | troubled | eldowon: i swear I could make a better cpu with a breadboard and some pencil lead :p |
| 05:12.01 | eldowon | troubled: I'll take that bet |
| 05:12.04 | troubled | heh |
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| 05:12.12 | CompWizrd | troubled: just need a spare hamster to power it. |
| 05:12.23 | troubled | CompWizrd: will a cat do? |
| 05:12.29 | CompWizrd | only if you have some toast and butter. |
| 05:12.46 | CompWizrd | (there's a perpetual machine based on a cat and some buttered toast) |
| 05:12.47 | troubled | eldowon: you know it would be funny for an electrical engineer to make a fully working cpu out of plumbing parts and water |
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| 05:13.22 | troubled | eldowon: get maybe 4 or 5 hertz out of it too boot! |
| 05:13.35 | eldowon | troubled: I would love to see it. no scarcasm. |
| 05:13.36 | troubled | eldowon: use some old vynll records for mass storage |
| 05:13.46 | eldowon | Thats the stuff |
| 05:13.48 | troubled | eldowon: so would i! would be great to learn the theory |
| 05:13.59 | mikedep333 | liable: awesome |
| 05:14.02 | mikedep333 | thanks alot |
| 05:14.30 | troubled | eldowon: could just use large 2l bottles of water with pressure relief valves for capacitors I guess? |
| 05:14.56 | eldowon | and co2 for the turbo button |
| 05:15.04 | troubled | rofl |
| 05:15.05 | liable | mikedep333: yw |
| 05:15.27 | troubled | eldowon: just carbonate the water? :) |
| 05:15.36 | eps | sed "s/^\([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\)/\2 \1/" temp2 >> temp2 <-- I have this and it does what I want though I want it to replace the contents not just append... and > instead of >> just leaves the file empty |
| 05:15.39 | troubled | eldowon: would have to shake the machine a bit to use turbo mode |
| 05:16.24 | troubled | eps: try cat the file | sed and then redirect? |
| 05:16.48 | CompWizrd | no, mentos in the water supply for turbo |
| 05:17.02 | CompWizrd | well, guess you'd have to use a carbonated drink for water.. but yeah |
| 05:17.05 | eldowon | troubled: Nah, CO2 cartridges. |
| 05:17.06 | troubled | eps: although i really would like to know why > doesnt work if > does, thats seems borked |
| 05:17.18 | eldowon | CompWizrd: mentos and coke work nice too. |
| 05:17.24 | troubled | eldowon: what about the logic gates? |
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| 05:17.39 | troubled | lol mentos hehe. has to be diet coke i think though |
| 05:17.46 | CompWizrd | ok, someone submit this to debian-curiosa@l.d.o, and i'm sure it'll be throughly discussed |
| 05:17.50 | eldowon | Sorry, not too familar with those. |
| 05:17.56 | eps | troubled it is probably because of the way I'm swaping the first and second words |
| 05:17.58 | eldowon | logic gates that is. Diet soda too. |
| 05:18.00 | eps | also that is still not working :( |
| 05:18.19 | troubled | eps: isnt \w better used for word boundaries? |
| 05:18.37 | eps | troubled isn't uni and assignments on regular expressions pointless? :P |
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| 05:18.45 | jchurchill | eps: the redirection causes temp2 to be truncated before sed is even invoked. |
| 05:18.45 | eps | have to do it via sed and regex |
| 05:18.51 | CompWizrd | you could probably easily do a full adder out of water and plumbing, though the carry bit on the highest bit might be a bit messy |
| 05:18.53 | eps | ah okay jchurchill |
| 05:19.00 | SJr|nx | Trying to setup a raid array, and I have been following the software raid page, and installed raidtools2 and mdadm as the guide says but I can't find a mkraid command. |
| 05:19.07 | eps | how do I avoid that jchurchill |
| 05:19.10 | SJr|nx | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.6 |
| 05:19.14 | troubled | eps: no, i mean, \w should select on a word boundary. just not sure if its standard regex or a perl extension though |
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| 05:19.45 | SJr|nx | oh nevermind |
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| 05:20.02 | troubled | eps: mind you, in bash you may need to \\w |
| 05:20.11 | eps | troubled mmm |
| 05:20.30 | liable | weak, lm-sensors only tells me how much ram i have... |
| 05:20.30 | troubled | eps: just like [:alpha:] == [A-Za-z] |
| 05:20.36 | eps | I should just do sed regex temp2 >> temp1 |mv temp1 temp2 |
| 05:20.39 | troubled | well, plus other printables |
| 05:20.44 | jchurchill | eps: cat the file as troubled suggested, or use a second temp file and rename it afterwards. |
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| 05:20.57 | eps | jchurchill catting the file doesn't work still |
| 05:20.58 | eps | oh wait |
| 05:21.06 | troubled | eps: shouldnt be | mv either, should be && mv |
| 05:21.35 | eps | yeah, wasn't thinking |
| 05:21.42 | eps | this is the last question of fifty regex ones :P |
| 05:21.48 | eps | my brain is dead |
| 05:21.49 | troubled | ah np, long as you notice now before you trash your data hehe |
| 05:22.35 | troubled | eps: I would try something like: cat file | sed s/.../.../ > file2 though from the start |
| 05:22.57 | eps | sed "s/^\([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\)/\2 \1/" temp2 >> temp1 && mv temp1 temp2 <-- perfect :D |
| 05:22.59 | troubled | eps: or are you allowed to use "cat"? |
| 05:23.04 | eps | thanks troubled and jchurchill |
| 05:23.20 | eps | troubled it is asked that we only use sed for this section |
| 05:23.46 | cygnus | does anyone else have problems with apache2 taking a long time to shut down on etch ? |
| 05:23.51 | eps | ....which only works in IE |
| 05:23.53 | eps | damn it |
| 05:23.56 | epsilon | does apt-get check the downloaded file? |
| 05:24.11 | troubled | eps: then imppress him by putting your regex in a file, getting ride of all the crappy shell escapes and tell sed to use the file for the expression, and dont forget to put our names in the credits :p |
| 05:24.25 | eps | cygnus not that I'm aware of, we have three etch current apache boxes at work that had to be rebooted last friday without problem |
| 05:24.33 | troubled | gotta love doing other ppl homework hehe |
| 05:24.34 | eps | troubled :P |
| 05:24.44 | eps | troubled hey I did the hard part! |
| 05:25.01 | cygnus | eps: when you do /etc/init.d/apache2 stop how long does it take to stop it ? |
| 05:25.08 | troubled | epsL yes, im know, im impressed actually. I doubt I could read it otherwise lol |
| 05:25.25 | eps | cygnus give me a sec to log into one of them |
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| 05:26.30 | eps | cygnus just took down one of the backups and it takes ~6 seconds - low load web server w/ 1gig ram and a 2ghz athlon |
| 05:26.35 | eps | no problems |
| 05:26.50 | Guerin | well, my etch beta 3 with extra bonus gui install is going fine |
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| 05:27.00 | Guerin | and i note with glee that the gui works without a mouse |
| 05:27.36 | DocOC | "extra bonus gui?" |
| 05:27.41 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:27.44 | liable | stupid fucking fan is pissing me off |
| 05:27.55 | nehoksan | watch your words |
| 05:27.56 | troubled | DocOC: extra bonus, THE gui.... |
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| 05:28.03 | Guerin | the gui is, contrary to popular belief, just an unnecessary gimmick |
| 05:28.06 | cygnus | eps: it took 1 minute on mine.. |
| 05:28.18 | troubled | !dict gimmick |
| 05:28.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gimmick' (2): any clever (deceptive) maneuver; "he would stoop to any device to win a point" ;; something whose name is either forgotten or not known. |
| 05:28.21 | liable | but its purty! |
| 05:28.23 | Guerin | nehoksan: which words? |
| 05:28.24 | DocOC | still not getting it. what gui are you referring to? |
| 05:28.30 | nehoksan | <liable> stupid fucking fan is pissing me off |
| 05:28.46 | nehoksan | this is not the right place for that. |
| 05:28.46 | liable | nehoksan: if you dislike swearing, i suggest you leave, we are all grown ups here |
| 05:28.49 | cygnus | eps: takes only like 1 second to start but |
| 05:28.49 | Guerin | nehoksan: swearing is an important part of language |
| 05:28.49 | eps | cygnus I can't take down one of the higher load webservers to check, though I know in the past we've had problems with log files hating life which caused slower shutdown |
| 05:29.01 | troubled | liable: bah, fuck that! :) |
| 05:29.14 | nehoksan | its offtopic. |
| 05:29.19 | cygnus | eps: the weird thing is sometimes it stops with like 1 second |
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| 05:29.28 | troubled | eps: how does a log file slow shutdown? |
| 05:29.28 | liable | nehoksan: right, so drop it |
| 05:29.30 | eps | cygnus very odd indeed |
| 05:29.39 | Guerin | liable: if it was pictures from your site, it might be purty, but i don't find much to get excited in a grey screen with a pink border |
| 05:30.07 | eldowon | liable: you do pictures? |
| 05:30.10 | liable | Guerin: huh? |
| 05:30.13 | eps | troubled malformed, I believe the shutdown tries to do something with the logs - I wasn't involved with fixing it, just chatted about it after so I can easily be wrong |
| 05:30.13 | troubled | Guerin: grey screen with a pink border? huh? |
| 05:30.23 | liable | Guerin: what grey screen with pink border? |
| 05:30.25 | Guerin | liable: your landscapes, daahlin' |
| 05:30.35 | Guerin | the one on the debian gui installer, y'all |
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| 05:30.40 | troubled | eps: i was gonna say, close(file); shouldnt take hours |
| 05:30.42 | Guerin | KUATBT |
| 05:30.52 | liable | Guerin: um, ok, i didnt know you seen em... |
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| 05:31.25 | Guerin | liable: made me want to go back to australia and see more of it than bundaberg, brisbane, sydney and the blue mountains |
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| 05:32.34 | liable | Guerin: the top end is nice, but you kinda need to live to appreciate it i reckon |
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| 05:32.41 | eps | troubled malformed squid log files (which I deal with far more often) cause hell when you want to stop squid, are you sure the same couldn't apply to apache? |
| 05:32.42 | Guerin | ooh, gnome or kde ... what choices I have |
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| 05:32.57 | liable | i hopefully will be moving back up there soon |
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| 05:33.13 | Guerin | liable: the best places take some getting used to. My next task is to get around my own country a bit. |
| 05:33.16 | eps | Guerin I have enlightenment dr17 installed, very nice :P |
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| 05:33.21 | troubled | eps: well, i just dont see why a log file would be parsed on shutdown rather than just being closed. seems silly |
| 05:33.38 | Guerin | eps: it was a bit broken last I used it, but that was lamost a year ago |
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| 05:34.11 | liable | Guerin: ya, i liked NZ from the small amount of time i was there, would love to live in queenstown if i had a huge pile of cash :) |
| 05:34.11 | troubled | eps: unless squid goes through the log file in the init script at shutdown and does something. than i would say rotate your damn logs cause they are too big or the parse script blows chunks |
| 05:34.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:34.23 | eps | Guerin yeah it's still broken in a lot of places, though for some one not wanting to bother with compiz (eg me) it's damn sexy :D ...I still use gnome as primary on another terminal though I like to do a bunch of things in enlightenment (games) |
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| 05:34.47 | Guerin | most people amass a huge pile of cash, then buy a winery in queenstown and barely break even so they can live there |
| 05:34.48 | eps | troubled we rotate logs daily, they still reach 400-800meg |
| 05:34.57 | Loto | does debian not offer a newer kernel package than 2.6.8 on stable/unstable? |
| 05:35.00 | eps | (per server!) |
| 05:35.03 | Guerin | my father's family are from otago, it's thesecond-best place in the country |
| 05:35.10 | troubled | eps: jesus man! how many users you got going through it? 1000? |
| 05:35.11 | eps | Loto on unstable and testing yes |
| 05:35.13 | Guerin | liable: on stable, no. On unstable, yes. |
| 05:35.16 | cygnus | eps, so do you think that sapche is not just start/stop slowly for me then ? |
| 05:35.19 | Guerin | Loto: |
| 05:35.23 | troubled | rather 4000 - 8000? |
| 05:35.29 | Loto | odd, dont see them in the GUI package manager |
| 05:35.32 | Loto | thanks |
| 05:35.53 | eps | troubled to many :( ...'oh IT doesn't need more funding, do they?' 'never!' 'sif they really need more proxies!' 'hahaha' :( |
| 05:36.12 | Guerin | lol |
| 05:36.16 | troubled | eps: that or faster hard drives hehe |
| 05:36.42 | eps | troubled mmm |
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| 05:37.05 | eps | troubled in the case of apache2 it looks like it just finds the pid and kills it, so yeah I have nfi why it should take ages :P |
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| 05:37.21 | troubled | eps: honestly, i dont really see a point in caching anything other than popular sites like windows updates and the top 10 or 20 url hits. |
| 05:37.33 | mhall | How do I get the RAM use of a process in MB? How do I retrieve detailed data on the stepping, series, etc. info for a CPU? |
| 05:37.33 | jrsims | evening! I don't seem to have a .xinitrc file in my home dir. How to I create that? |
| 05:37.46 | Guerin | jrsims: with the editor of your choice |
| 05:37.48 | mhall | /proc/cpuinfo seems to contain shitty data |
| 05:37.57 | troubled | eps: well, apache may be shutting down gracefully, ie waiting tile everyone disconnects |
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| 05:38.04 | jrsims | Guerin: isn't there an x config script that should do that? |
| 05:38.08 | mhall | Guerin: 'lo |
| 05:38.12 | Guerin | jrsims: no. |
| 05:38.13 | liable | jrsims: no |
| 05:38.17 | jrsims | shit |
| 05:38.20 | tongueroo | simply question, how do i print whats contain in a ENV variable, ie PATH ? |
| 05:38.30 | Guerin | mhall: and a glorious day to you. Finished skool yet? |
| 05:38.31 | troubled | tongueroo: echo $VAR |
| 05:38.35 | tongueroo | thanks |
| 05:38.38 | troubled | np |
| 05:38.41 | jrsims | .xinitrc is how I specify my wm of choice, right? |
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| 05:38.43 | eps | troubled we have a huge amount of online applications (practically everything) and being in australia our pipes are expensive/data is metered ...so we cache as much as humanly possible and deny as much rubbish as possible via them |
| 05:38.53 | liable | jrsims: man xsession |
| 05:38.53 | Guerin | jrsims: or .xsession, yeah |
| 05:39.00 | jrsims | ok |
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| 05:39.08 | mhall | Guerin: I did. I am officially graduated and now I work at HP. |
| 05:39.22 | mhall | Guerin: The job's been a bit stressful, I need to work on my apathy gene. ;-) |
| 05:39.27 | eps | the squid caches save thousands of dollars a month/they only cost 8k$ to setup, thus a good investment |
| 05:39.36 | liable | mhall: that comes with age :) |
| 05:39.37 | Guerin | mhall: you poor bastard ... I mean, awesome, you must be loving it!\ |
| 05:39.59 | mhall | eps: there are some sophisticated tools which can help to fake sockets until it's truly necessary to open them |
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| 05:40.18 | mhall | eps: for the situation you are in these could be useful. they are marketed as network application accelerators |
| 05:40.28 | tarzeau | liable: here |
| 05:40.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:40.30 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:40.32 | mhall | eps: i'm sorry to say i can't recall the names of some specific products though, sorry |
| 05:40.58 | mhall | Guerin: it's pretty interesting R&D work but i'm very anal so i go off the deep end when things screw up |
| 05:40.59 | Guerin | mhall: well, I've decided to go back and do postgrad media/international relations |
| 05:41.05 | mhall | Guerin: and believe me a lot of stuff screws up |
| 05:41.06 | Guerin | mhall: heh. |
| 05:41.11 | Guerin | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 05:41.17 | Guerin | :( |
| 05:41.19 | mhall | Guerin: that was censored |
| 05:41.24 | crogue5_ | can gFTP be made to use SSL? |
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| 05:41.30 | Guerin | badgers: mhallsmite mhall |
| 05:41.33 | mhall | Guerin: which is the #1 reason i don't show up in here much |
| 05:41.38 | mhall | Guerin: #2 reason is work |
| 05:41.41 | Guerin | bah, humbug |
| 05:41.44 | liable | tarzeau: oh, i thought of you cause someone was having a pxe dilemma |
| 05:41.46 | Guerin | crogue5_: yes |
| 05:42.05 | minerale | I'm having some wicked problems with gnome-panel, the problems do not arise when I'm logged in under a different login, how can I reset the settings for gnome-panel ? |
| 05:42.08 | wooya510 | I have a problem. I changed the NameServer address but after a few minutes, Originally IP is returned back again |
| 05:42.08 | mhall | Does anybody know why SCP is so ridiculously slow? |
| 05:42.12 | crogue5_ | can you point me to a tutorial or something to explain ? |
| 05:42.14 | cygnus | !apache2 |
| 05:42.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, apache2 is a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
| 05:42.17 | crogue5_ | i jsut not finding anything |
| 05:42.19 | epsilon | crogue5_: iirc only for command connection - even for that you need to compile |
| 05:42.27 | Guerin | mhall: delete your user's .gnome* |
| 05:42.32 | crogue5_ | hmm |
| 05:42.37 | troubled | minerale: well, I know a fact that every setting is saved in your home dir so..... |
| 05:42.39 | Guerin | minerale: |
| 05:42.49 | wooya510 | I have a problem. I changed the NameServer address(resolv.conf) but after a few minutes, Originally IP is returned back again |
| 05:42.52 | crogue5_ | is there a better FTP program out that will do SSL ? |
| 05:42.57 | Guerin | minerale: 1. encryption 2. no/bad pipelining |
| 05:43.01 | Guerin | FUCK |
| 05:43.02 | epsilon | ftp-ssl |
| 05:43.03 | Guerin | mhall: |
| 05:43.05 | liable | wooya510: dhcp lease? |
| 05:43.07 | troubled | wooya510: dhcp? |
| 05:43.11 | eldowon | dhcp |
| 05:43.12 | wooya510 | no |
| 05:43.12 | troubled | liable: :) |
| 05:43.13 | wooya510 | static |
| 05:43.14 | crogue5_ | thx |
| 05:43.16 | Guerin | mhall: use rsync over ssh instead |
| 05:43.32 | Guerin | crogue5_: lftp > * |
| 05:43.33 | wooya510 | liable: no dchp |
| 05:43.48 | troubled | wooya510: something is editing it then, usually its dhcp related though |
| 05:43.55 | liable | wooya510: then i have no idea what would change it |
| 05:44.21 | troubled | wooya510: check for crontabs and running processes |
| 05:44.38 | liable | whats the resolv package? |
| 05:44.40 | eps | how do I get apache2 to automatically creation http://url.domain/~username directories for each users - it used to happen automatically (I think?) |
| 05:44.40 | troubled | wooya510: stuff doesnt magically run itself in linux except via thoe 2 ways (or bootup) |
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| 05:45.15 | troubled | eps: its a config setting to honour ~home dir's |
| 05:45.20 | liable | wooya510: the resolv.conf changed without doing *anything* to any ifaces? |
| 05:45.22 | wooya510 | troubled: already rebooted |
| 05:45.39 | Guerin | definitely dhcp or resolvcinf package |
| 05:45.43 | troubled | eps: gotta set what dir is expected to contain the www pages though, usually public_html (try grep it) |
| 05:45.48 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 05:45.48 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 05:45.51 | eps | troubled thanks |
| 05:46.01 | troubled | chattr lol, thats one way |
| 05:46.10 | troubled | only works on ext2/3 though iirc |
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| 05:46.13 | liable | one nasty way |
| 05:46.17 | Guerin | the blunt-object method |
| 05:46.24 | peterS | yeah, chattr is the funny but limited solution |
| 05:46.25 | troubled | reiserfs sucks bags fir attr's last I used |
| 05:46.42 | Guerin | troubled: s/fir+// |
| 05:46.50 | eps | troubled grep UserDir worked thanks :) |
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| 05:46.53 | troubled | s/fir/for/ |
| 05:47.00 | troubled | eps: np |
| 05:47.04 | mhall | troubled: that statment made no sense 'sucks bags'? |
| 05:47.17 | Guerin | i have a new 160G drive here, maybe I should rice it up |
| 05:47.19 | mhall | troubled: like, testicle containers? |
| 05:47.22 | liable | mhall: sucks donkeys balls makes more sense? |
| 05:47.22 | troubled | mhall: send me a patch and ill fix it :p |
| 05:47.24 | mhall | Guerin: or... not |
| 05:47.28 | troubled | rofl mhall |
| 05:47.38 | mhall | troubled: it had to be said |
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| 05:48.00 | troubled | mhall: but if they are objects, would they be properties? |
| 05:48.00 | davis | crontab -e is killing me. |
| 05:48.00 | mhall | troubled: btw. does it suck as many as DDR2? |
| 05:48.02 | peterS | davis: how so? |
| 05:48.16 | troubled | mhall: twice as many sucks! |
| 05:48.17 | davis | i have this entry |
| 05:48.19 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.25 | troubled | missing * |
| 05:48.28 | troubled | nm |
| 05:48.29 | peterS | troubled: no |
| 05:48.37 | peterS | davis: the 'davis' username doesn't belong in a user crontab |
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| 05:48.42 | davis | and it will create a blank cron.log in my home dir, but it does not run. |
| 05:48.50 | davis | err, he buildcode.sh file |
| 05:48.54 | peterS | davis: the username is implied when you do 'crontab -e' |
| 05:49.02 | davis | right |
| 05:49.09 | davis | i am trying to run it as myself. |
| 05:49.17 | peterS | so it's trying to run a script called 'davis', and failing |
| 05:49.32 | troubled | davis: i bet cron.log shows something about cant find the file? |
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| 05:49.46 | peterS | troubled: it's supposed to email that information to him. perhaps it is. |
| 05:49.50 | davis | cron.log is blank |
| 05:49.54 | troubled | actually i dont know if it would since you didnt 2>&1 |
| 05:50.04 | troubled | the error goes to stderr (ie 2) |
| 05:50.26 | troubled | davis: you may wish to add that and test it while its borked to confirm you get errors as well |
| 05:50.50 | davis | ok i added the 2>&1 bit |
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| 05:51.05 | davis | wait one minute until it kics off. |
| 05:51.08 | davis | err kicks |
| 05:51.21 | troubled | peterS: i bet it did, prolly a few times too hehe |
| 05:51.33 | minerale | how does one configure gnome? there's a tool I can't remember it's name |
| 05:51.38 | peterS | davis: I told you what to do, you seem to be ignoring me. remove the username argument. |
| 05:51.52 | minerale | I moved all .gnome* and .gconf* outside my home directory, and gnome still started up cripled, |
| 05:52.19 | troubled | minerale: create a new user and try that, if same then gnome borked, make sense no? |
| 05:52.21 | liable | thats a feature |
| 05:52.30 | mhall | troubled: damn, with that many sucks i bet that there's sperm all over the reiserfs code |
| 05:52.51 | troubled | mhall: wow, your sarcasm in another timezone tonight huh? :p |
| 05:52.58 | davis | hmm. i did remove my username. |
| 05:53.05 | davis | it gets called now. |
| 05:53.22 | troubled | davis: than whats the prob? no output in log file? |
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| 05:53.30 | davis | is it safe to do something ike this for logging both std err and output |
| 05:53.34 | davis | echo "CVSROOT=$CVSROOT" 2>>&1 /home/davis/output |
| 05:53.42 | troubled | davis: lol no wrong syntax |
| 05:53.47 | davis | cron.log was blank |
| 05:53.50 | troubled | davis: files 2>&1 >> file |
| 05:53.57 | davis | ok thanks |
| 05:53.59 | peterS | davis: cron will email both stdout and stderr to you. check your local mail. |
| 05:54.11 | minerale | troubled: new user works fine |
| 05:54.12 | mhall | troubled: ? |
| 05:54.20 | troubled | minerale: than you missed a file |
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| 05:54.38 | troubled | mhall: nm, just wondering why your reiserfs joke came again 10 min later heh |
| 05:54.41 | davis | i dont have any mail. |
| 05:54.54 | troubled | davis: yoou should, type "mail"? |
| 05:54.58 | davis | fwiw, when system jobs run they send me mail. |
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| 05:55.01 | davis | i type mutt |
| 05:55.07 | minerale | troubled: i'm almost 100 percent sure that gnome keeps it's config in an xml file somewhere, and there' a special tool that lets one modify em |
| 05:55.13 | troubled | davis: usually goes to /var/spool/mail/username |
| 05:55.17 | mhall | troubled: cause a) i'm a honky with an attitude coming unglued b) i'm busy eating my white man homemade mexican food |
| 05:55.35 | liable | mhall: not gconf you are thinking of? |
| 05:55.38 | davis | in the morning i get mail from root for system maintenance |
| 05:55.46 | mhall | liable: ? |
| 05:55.59 | troubled | minerale: well, usually settings are in home dir, dont see why gnome would save elsewhere. but if it did, it would be a dir you have access to. double check in .dir's for the settings |
| 05:56.01 | peterS | davis: well, if your job produces any output to either stdout or stderr, cron will email that to you too. |
| 05:56.16 | troubled | mhall: ahh, all makes sense now |
| 05:56.24 | liable | mhall: bah, nickfuckage |
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| 05:56.51 | Shadow_pillar | who here is familiar with building debian packages? |
| 05:57.01 | Shadow_pillar | I've been trying to build one for the last 8 hours |
| 05:57.07 | Shadow_pillar | and I keep running into the same loop |
| 05:57.20 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: so what are you doing and what is it doing in response? |
| 05:57.41 | Shadow_pillar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html#s-newupstream-real I follow this |
| 05:57.42 | davis | arggh, things are semi-broken. |
| 05:57.51 | davis | now I did not get a cron.log |
| 05:58.11 | davis | but I did get an outputfile which is from the called script. |
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| 05:58.23 | Shadow_pillar | and when I go to do debbuild after getting everything cleaned up and in order (versions up to date, any rules changed that are needed) I get this: |
| 05:58.33 | Shadow_pillar | dpkg-source: cannot represent change to dist/xawtv_4.0.20060816.orig.tar.gz: binary file contents changed |
| 05:58.34 | davis | however, the output file shows that my $CVSROOT is empty. |
| 05:58.42 | davis | and I don't any email. |
| 05:58.44 | Shadow_pillar | and it exits in error |
| 05:58.52 | Shadow_pillar | what am I supposed to do? |
| 05:58.55 | Shadow_pillar | sacrifice a baby? |
| 05:58.58 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: that means you have changed files in the source tree which are not text files |
| 05:59.16 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: impossible because nothing has been changed |
| 05:59.17 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: this is generally a mistake, it means your 'clean' rule in debian/rules was not thorough enough |
| 05:59.30 | Shadow_pillar | this is a pristine clean source |
| 05:59.32 | troubled | davis: so the script did execute? is it possible that the script doesnt output anything? check your log, you may have a dosen or two carriage returns |
| 06:00.38 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: why do you have a dist/xawtv_4.0.20060816.orig.tar.gz file? |
| 06:00.40 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: I downloaded the source of the distro's version of xawtv, and I used uupdate to do the upstream update |
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| 06:00.54 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: because it was complaining about NOT having one |
| 06:01.15 | Shadow_pillar | Huh? /home/tsunami/debian/xawtv-4.0.20060816/dist/*.tar*? |
| 06:01.15 | Shadow_pillar | make: *** [work] Error 1 |
| 06:01.42 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: so I guess you are producing a package which uses tarfile-inside-tarfile, then |
| 06:01.58 | Shadow_pillar | prolly it. |
| 06:02.08 | Shadow_pillar | lemme guess dist SHOULDNT be inside the source tree. |
| 06:02.14 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: I don't recommend that approach to begin with, but if you _do_ feel the need to use that style, you must repack the original .orig.tar.gz file to include the other tar.gz file in it |
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| 06:02.31 | davis | about email. I have exim setup so that it will forward mail to the company relay. However, if I send mail to myself, I don't get it. |
| 06:02.44 | Shadow_pillar | I'm new at this and I've been getting told 300 ways to do it, and I dont even know what to do anymore |
| 06:02.51 | Shadow_pillar | I started working on this around 3 pm |
| 06:02.58 | Shadow_pillar | it's 11pm |
| 06:03.01 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: what way to do it are you using now? did you use 'dh-make', or copy an existing package, or what? |
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| 06:03.21 | davis | troubled: the script worked. i got results from it in output. its just that cron.log does not get created anymore |
| 06:03.22 | Shadow_pillar | existing package, upstreamed with uupdate |
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| 06:04.01 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: perhaps they're using a tarfile-in-tarfile approach, or perhaps it's something completely different. I don't know the uupdate command very well, and I don't know the xawtv package at all. |
| 06:04.03 | troubled | davis: just touch the file once and be done with it :) |
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| 06:06.00 | Thunderguy | Can someone help educate me on good security practices for a 'desktop' linux? I have the basics down, but what I really wanna do is get an active virus scanner going to protect users, currently the only protection is to delete their home directory if a virus comes out and affects programs, but I'm wanting a daemon that can utilize root permissions to act quicker then a user to implementate a lockdown if a virus in the 'clamav' dat |
| 06:06.00 | Thunderguy | abase is found incoming |
| 06:06.34 | liable | Thunderguy: clamav finds linux virii? |
| 06:06.44 | liable | on your boxen? |
| 06:06.45 | peterS | virii is NOT A WORD |
| 06:06.48 | peterS | the word is viruses |
| 06:06.50 | Thunderguy | liable: What platform does it find? |
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| 06:06.52 | liable | i dont care |
| 06:06.56 | Guerin | viruxen is the plural of virus |
| 06:07.06 | troubled | Thunderguy: i wouldnt worry about viruses in linux, just make hourly backups |
| 06:07.07 | Guerin | everyone knows that |
| 06:07.08 | peterS | virii makes it sound like you _thought_ you knew a bit of Latin but actually didn't |
| 06:07.18 | mhall | Thunderguy: ok. let's see. i'm a tad confused by you problem. |
| 06:07.27 | liable | prolly isnt a word either, neither is heh, no one gives a fuck about them.. |
| 06:07.30 | mhall | peterS: calm down, it has a humor to it in that it's used in 1337 |
| 06:07.41 | troubled | liable: meh |
| 06:07.44 | Guerin | and don't you dare quote internet sources in your defence, because they're no more authoritative than me |
| 06:07.46 | mhall | peterS: no need to be *that* dramatic |
| 06:07.58 | troubled | Guerin: SOA == Guerin? |
| 06:08.05 | peterS | mhall: there is humor in using an established plural pattern, as with 'vaxen'. using a pattern which is not established or used elsewhere ... isn't |
| 06:08.26 | Guerin | troubled: QUE == troubled? |
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| 06:08.44 | Guerin | peterS: hence 'viruxen' |
| 06:08.54 | mhall | peterS: but. cactus -> cacti, alumnus -> alumni, viruxen -> not funny |
| 06:08.55 | troubled | Guerin: que? thats a new one |
| 06:08.58 | Thunderguy | mhall: I'm trying to do what windows has done for years, I love the desktop linux, but I'm trying to find practical means of security smarter then the user, a system to backup data regularly, and systems to lockdown incase of a virus, but something non-intrusive, I'm seeing that 10% of the world is using Linux and more everyday, and with Windows changing to a UNIX platform, Viruses for Linux are predicted to be more common |
| 06:09.11 | Guerin | troubled: that's my oblique way of saying 'what the fuck are you on about?' |
| 06:09.18 | peterS | mhall: cactus -> cacti, virus -> viri, the ii makes no sense at all |
| 06:09.21 | liable | jesus christ, this channel is so fucking anal at times for no good reason |
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| 06:09.38 | mhall | liable: mhall->agreeWith(&liable); |
| 06:09.45 | peterS | mhall: I'm told the plural of virus would actually be virora, if it had one in Latin, which it apparently didn't |
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| 06:10.06 | troubled | Thunderguy: well, short of making something on your own, i dont know if its practical to expect anything to catch a virus from wiping a whole dir structure since it would happen alsmost instantly |
| 06:10.19 | mhall | peterS: perhaps at the time it made no difference if it were one or many in that nobody could tell the difference? |
| 06:10.33 | troubled | Thunderguy: backup is the only realistic solution for you and providing users with access to the backups to undo their own fsckups |
| 06:10.42 | mhall | Thunderguy: ok, you can certainly implement a lot of this. |
| 06:10.46 | peterS | mhall: apparently the Latin word actually means something like 'the plague', and doesn't have a plural for that reason |
| 06:11.03 | mhall | Thunderguy: there are solutions which automatically mirror users' content in the manner of the windows shadow copy service |
| 06:11.25 | mhall | Thunderguy: there are many backup methods you could use, scaling all the way up to a SAN with offsite on-the-fly mirroring |
| 06:11.28 | minerale | troubled: wow, I found it, gnome was making a backup copy of .gconf on /tmp |
| 06:11.37 | peterS | also, I'm eating too many muffins. I'll have finished the whole box of 12 soon, at this rate |
| 06:11.39 | Thunderguy | troubled: I'm thinking of something like Norton Antivirus, I mean not entirely like that system, but something with higher permissions that can lock-down and alert a user " Hey you have a virus and unless you know the root password I'm going to have to remove this file from you lock the permissions and instruct you inform your administrator " |
| 06:11.40 | mhall | Thunderguy: and there is an obvious method of performing a lockout on a directory |
| 06:11.45 | troubled | mhall: what in hell in linux provides volume shadow copy other than temp lvm volumes? |
| 06:12.04 | mhall | Thunderguy: chmod it, or chacl it, recursively |
| 06:12.17 | mhall | Thunderguy: or move it away to a secret location after kicking the user off |
| 06:12.32 | mhall | troubled: i think there are some mirroring daemons which go in and copy stuff |
| 06:12.42 | mhall | troubled: if there isn't one already it would be trivial |
| 06:12.44 | troubled | Thunderguy: ah. not sure what linux has that could do that since it would involve a kernel space util to incercept all FS writes and scan each pid accessing data |
| 06:12.54 | mhall | troubled: i bet i could write a bulletproof multithreaded one in C++ in two weeks |
| 06:13.18 | mhall | peterS: jesus H christ how can you eat that many |
| 06:13.23 | troubled | mhall: but shadow copy i thought kept a copy of the pre open file to avoid inconsisten data |
| 06:13.27 | mhall | peterS: are they white castle slider muffins? |
| 06:13.38 | Thunderguy | troubled: SElinux? |
| 06:13.47 | mhall | troubled: i think you can figure out who's got handles on a file |
| 06:13.49 | peterS | mhall: they are white-castle-sized things. I ate a couple before going out dancing, so there were only 10 left. I've eaten 7 of the 10. |
| 06:14.05 | mhall | troubled: then just not fuck with it until the handle is gone |
| 06:14.21 | mhall | troubled: this should work OK on a user shell server, just reboot it every sunday at ~4am |
| 06:14.46 | mhall | peterS: hmm put em in the fridge |
| 06:14.47 | peterS | mhall: well, maybe smaller than white castle sized. they're miniature muffins, anyway, maybe 1.6 inches across |
| 06:14.58 | troubled | Thunderguy: well, ive never used selinux so its possible. I know grsec doesnt really have much cept ability to resrict access or not. And logging all file attemps and acting on them would be pointless, as I said, a rm -rf of heir home would happen so fast i doubt you could stop it in time |
| 06:15.04 | mhall | peterS: true, but muffins are already smaller than burgers |
| 06:15.19 | mhall | peterS: so a white castle scale muffin would also be smaller than a white castle scale burger |
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| 06:15.28 | peterS | true, true |
| 06:15.30 | peterS | anyway, they feature chocolate chips. it is hard to resist them. |
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| 06:15.35 | mhall | peterS: fridge |
| 06:15.46 | troubled | mhall: well, I know lsof can do it, but executeing something like that in userspace I think would have race considtions. it would have to be kernel space |
| 06:15.53 | peterS | they don't need to be refrigerated, though, even if that's an effective way to get them out of my sight |
| 06:15.53 | davis | maybe i can debug this cron problem easier if my mail system worked. |
| 06:16.24 | davis | I need mail to do two things. one is deliver mail to outside world via company mail relay server which it does. |
| 06:16.32 | troubled | davis: I think cron has a var you can set to specifiy where mail goes. set it til your program is debuged |
| 06:16.46 | davis | i also need it todeliver mail locally |
| 06:17.05 | davis | if I type mail davis or davis@localhost then I do not get it. |
| 06:17.36 | davis | however root email for system cron jobs do get delievered to my davis account. |
| 06:17.53 | mhall | troubled: there is such a thing |
| 06:17.55 | davis | how do I set the mail to deliver email to local users? |
| 06:17.55 | troubled | davis: odd :/ |
| 06:18.08 | troubled | mhall: which now? |
| 06:18.10 | davis | troubled: there is a MAILTO=xxx option |
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| 06:18.24 | troubled | davis: there ya go :) |
| 06:18.36 | k31th | Has anyone converted mbox to maildir before? |
| 06:18.50 | mhall | troubled: it's called inotify, linux/fs/inotify.c |
| 06:18.51 | davis | i added that but if I can't sent mail to davis, I doubt it will help me. |
| 06:18.56 | sanmarcos | I have a process running in my computer named 'oleo'. I cant find it with locate, nor can I find it with whatis, any ideas? |
| 06:19.37 | liable | locate shock-absorber :) |
| 06:20.14 | mhall | troubled: another option is using a netapp filer, but they fuck you on drives |
| 06:20.16 | Guerin | k31th: yeah, a long time ago |
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| 06:20.34 | peterS | sanmarcos: oleo is a text-based spreadsheet program. if you don't have it installed, maybe it's really a script kiddie copy of eggdrop or something |
| 06:20.50 | k31th | hum if my users are pop3 only... can i just copy /var/spool/mail over ? |
| 06:20.56 | mhall | sanmarcos: ps auxww, updatedb, dpkg --get-selections | grep -i oleo |
| 06:21.02 | Guerin | k31th: why not? |
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| 06:21.07 | troubled | davis: what is your /etc/aliases file say about your user? mail user@localhost should go fine. dont think it goes via sendmail, but if it does, check exim logs |
| 06:21.13 | peterS | k31th: make sure the users have the same UIDs on both systems |
| 06:21.16 | mhall | sanmarcos: which oleo |
| 06:21.23 | k31th | peterS: iv done this already |
| 06:21.25 | peterS | k31th: otherwise they'll own the wrong mailbox files |
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| 06:21.31 | troubled | mhall: inotify tell you about when inode gets accessed? |
| 06:21.37 | sanmarcos | mhall: none, weird, ill just kill it |
| 06:21.42 | k31th | should just work no tho right ? |
| 06:21.45 | k31th | now |
| 06:21.54 | peterS | k31th: yeah, with 'cp -a' to copy file permissions. |
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| 06:21.58 | HNT | Hello everybody, how can I remove the quota limitation of cups ? |
| 06:22.05 | davis | troubled: davis@localhost goest to myrelay |
| 06:22.06 | troubled | mhall: nm, yes lookin at file |
| 06:22.09 | Guerin | HNT: #cups |
| 06:22.13 | mhall | troubled: i think it could do a LOT of stuff |
| 06:22.21 | HNT | k sorry |
| 06:22.23 | k31th | peterS: i used scp with -pv (should keep perms). |
| 06:22.29 | peterS | k31th: very well |
| 06:22.33 | davis | /etc/aliases goes to real-davis |
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| 06:22.39 | liable | HNT: try /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 06:22.49 | troubled | davis: so its using sendmail then. odd that root goes to your user and not forwarded again to your host |
| 06:22.59 | k31th | so if i copy it in and restart postfix all should be good? |
| 06:23.04 | peterS | would the real slim davis please stand up, please stand up, please stand up |
| 06:23.07 | mhall | troubled: i suppose the method would be, check the inode, start to do the shit you need to do in one thread, and have another thread blow away your backup thread if somebody fucks with the inode |
| 06:23.07 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21859 |
| 06:23.09 | davis | mutt real-davis works. it sendds meail to me. |
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| 06:23.20 | davis | i am using exim |
| 06:23.20 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: is the basics of what I'm trying to do |
| 06:23.22 | mhall | troubled: does that sound like safe code? |
| 06:23.25 | troubled | mhall: ya, neat to know about. But i dont care much to make a multithreaded daemon to monitor all inodes for him :) |
| 06:23.32 | xevious | to run a java program in a jar file, what packages to i need? i have the virtual package "java-runtime" installed |
| 06:23.36 | mhall | troubled: if it will work maybe i should actually write this code |
| 06:23.41 | Arafangion | How do I configure dhcpd to ignore eth0 and eth1, which represent unknown and non-authoritative subnets? |
| 06:24.05 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: the part I'm unclear on is what to do after that, debbuild keeps producing those errors |
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| 06:24.17 | mhall | troubled: you could probably also do it with st_mtime from stat if nobody dicks with the noatime property |
| 06:24.40 | peterS | mhall: st_mtime is unrelated to noatime |
| 06:24.41 | troubled | mhall: be fun to test, but careful :) I would think that it would be better to have limits like iptables on how many inode delets per second are allow. kinda like channel flood limits |
| 06:24.54 | kristalino | did any of you tried nx ? |
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| 06:25.23 | troubled | mhall: nah bad idea. If you have a security through obscuirty design flaw built in for easier coding |
| 06:25.29 | Arafangion | How do I setup dhcpd, where one subnet cannot be determined in advance (Obviously, it is to be not authoritative for that subnet) |
| 06:25.52 | kristalino | is NX as powerfull as vncserver in its personnal edition ? |
| 06:25.53 | davis | fsck, i just added to /etc/aliases davis: real-davis toforce it to work. |
| 06:25.58 | k31th | peterS: is cp -a the same as cp -pr ? |
| 06:25.59 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: any ideas? |
| 06:26.10 | peterS | k31th: why don't you find out with 'cp --help'? |
| 06:26.28 | troubled | Arafangion: cant be determined in advanced?! |
| 06:26.35 | peterS | Shadow_pillar: I'm not clear on what exactly is failing. is it still that extra file in dist/ ? |
| 06:27.09 | Arafangion | troubled: Example: I want to serve dhcp requests on tap0, but eth0 and eth1, if even up, get their ip from another dhcp server. |
| 06:27.11 | mhall | troubled: well i'd suppose that you'd avoid that issue by only running periodically |
| 06:27.19 | Guerin | hm, is it normal for a pci ide card to usurp /dev/hd[a-d]? |
| 06:27.33 | Guerin | i ask because DSL doesn't, but debian-installer does |
| 06:27.44 | peterS | Guerin: it's been known to happen. there's even a kernel config option to change the bus detection order to cause/prevent it |
| 06:27.46 | troubled | Arafangion: why does it matter? your dhcp pool should be static for sanity sake I think |
| 06:27.46 | mhall | troubled: and not backing up a whole user if he/she fucks with you too much |
| 06:27.56 | Guerin | and further, is it possible to change this hevavior? |
| 06:28.07 | mhall | peterS: ah, correct, my mistake |
| 06:28.15 | Guerin | oh, so the d-i kernel is at fault |
| 06:28.17 | peterS | Guerin: though if your IDE chips all have modular drivers, rather than built-in ones, I think it'll just depend on which IDE module gets loaded first |
| 06:28.21 | troubled | mhall: imagine if norton only ran periodically heh |
| 06:28.35 | k31th | damn, some som reason its not copied with the correct ownership :( could i use rsync to correct this ? |
| 06:28.43 | Guerin | peterS: it's fucking up the grub-install section of the installer |
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| 06:28.52 | k31th | if u resync the files will rsync add the correct perms ? |
| 06:28.53 | w32 | what package do I need to run the patch command ? |
| 06:29.18 | peterS | k31th: if you don't log in as root on the destination (ssh'd) machine, the scp won't have the ability to change owners. did you? |
| 06:29.19 | Guerin | at least, i *think* it's trying to install grub to one of the cards on the pci instead of the one at ide0,0 |
| 06:29.20 | w32 | dpkg: patch |
| 06:29.20 | dpkg | patch is, like, just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 06:29.33 | k31th | peterS: no i didnt :( |
| 06:29.37 | peterS | k31th: I don't think rsync repairs permissions of existing files. but I could be wrong. |
| 06:29.39 | xevious | recommended java virtual machine? i have the java-runtime virtual package installed and kaffe is having trouble running a jar file i have that works fine in windows |
| 06:29.45 | troubled | Arafangion: so your problem is dhcpd wont bind or start if tap0 isnt up yet ? |
| 06:29.47 | k31th | peterS: i didnt relise this tbh |
| 06:29.56 | k31th | Sucks. |
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| 06:30.06 | _Rocko | Arafangion, in /etc/default/dhcp3-server set INTERFACES to "tap0" |
| 06:30.08 | peterS | k31th: since mailbox files are named after users, I'd do this (on the target machine): cd /var/spool/mail; for f in *; do chown $f:mail $f; done |
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| 06:30.24 | troubled | Arafangion: why not just start dhcpd after tap0 goes up? |
| 06:30.32 | _Rocko | Arafangion, u need to be using dhcp3-server |
| 06:30.36 | peterS | k31th: this does, effectively, 'chown bob:mail bob' for every file 'bob' |
| 06:30.41 | xjkx | dudes...i installed a debian variant named BR-CDD on QEMU of my freebsd, and i ran dhcpclient and it got all the configuration...when I try to ping a website, it returns the IP adderess, but it doesnt ping, it keeps waiting something, doesnt ping ! just get the IP, but if it gets the ip...why the heck it does not ping...ideas? |
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| 06:31.00 | k31th | peterS: thats wicked man, impressive |
| 06:31.04 | k31th | thanks :D |
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| 06:31.16 | peterS | xjkx: sounds like a problem with your qemu/host setup, not a problem with the debian installed inside it |
| 06:31.25 | troubled | _Rocko: ya, thats why i was wondering why he had a problem. seemed up. i figure dhcp daemons should wait until it does come up, *shrug* |
| 06:31.42 | xjkx | peters, but i have a win98 installed on qemu also and it works :/ |
| 06:31.52 | xjkx | the network |
| 06:32.17 | peterS | xjkx: on the debian machine, you can do 'route' and 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' to see if things are as you expect |
| 06:32.33 | _Rocko | troubled, yes they run after ifup -a |
| 06:32.40 | peterS | xjkx: or 'netstat -r' for route, if you prefer |
| 06:33.35 | xjkx | they are exactly how the windows is, same everything except the ip of course, like .15 and other .30, i am almost giving up, what did you mean with qemu host setup? |
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| 06:33.42 | Shadow_pillar | peter_: no |
| 06:33.49 | Shadow_pillar | er |
| 06:33.50 | troubled | _Rocko: so it does work even if tap0 doesnt exist yet? ive never ran dhcpds' on a non existinat interface before, but worst case he could just use postup and postdown scripts to start the daemon i figue |
| 06:33.53 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: no |
| 06:34.01 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: and THAT causes it to fail |
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| 06:34.14 | Shadow_pillar | peterS: I think the ubuntu guys are fucking with me. |
| 06:34.32 | tongueroo | this might be a silly question but ive got both apache and lighttpd installed, i only want lighttpd to start when the computer boots, is the best way to do this simply deleting their startup symlinks in their rc.d folders? |
| 06:34.55 | troubled | tongueroo: basically, but update-rc.d is the proper way to do it |
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| 06:35.22 | davis | i wonder. if I have env settings in one script, can I get them to be set in a calling bash script? |
| 06:35.24 | peterS | Shadowpillar: makes me think the package _is_ doing some sort of tar-in-tar approach, and uupdate isn't figuring this out (not really its fault) |
| 06:35.47 | tongueroo | troubled: ic, update-rc.d was exactly what i was looking for, thanks.. i didnt like the idea of manually deleting the links, thanks |
| 06:35.51 | liable | tongueroo: hrm, how did you get two httpd's installed? |
| 06:35.54 | peterS | davis: environment variables never propagate back to the parent process, no |
| 06:35.56 | troubled | tongueroo: np |
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| 06:36.11 | tongueroo | liable: im replacing the apache install with lighttpd |
| 06:36.12 | troubled | tongueroo: really, it does the same thing anyways though heh |
| 06:36.28 | peterS | davis: if you want one script to affect another, you have to use 'source', as in: 'source /usr/share/some_other_script' rather than just running /usr/share/some_other_script |
| 06:36.37 | tongueroo | trouble: call it paranoia :) |
| 06:36.40 | peterS | davis: then the two scripts run on the same instance of bash |
| 06:36.44 | liable | tongueroo: apt didnt remove apache when you installed lighthttpd? |
| 06:36.46 | Shadowpillar | peterS: originally I was building a custom package, and instead they tell me to upstream based on ubuntu's universe package for xawtv |
| 06:36.58 | xjkx | peters: you are so overRequested =D i can wait you to read the question up there :> |
| 06:36.59 | _Rocko | troubled, u r right i didn't got what was the problem |
| 06:37.00 | Shadowpillar | peterS: calling my method retarded |
| 06:37.01 | troubled | tongueroo: probably better off using it to set everything to KXX rather than removing them show you can restore them with the proper run ## later |
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| 06:37.11 | Shadowpillar | peterS: and thus far they've just run me through loops |
| 06:37.20 | peterS | Shadowpillar: let me have a look at the debian xawtv package, the ubuntu universe one is probably related (descended from it) |
| 06:37.21 | troubled | _Rocko: cool, was wondering. dont think he seen any of it though |
| 06:37.44 | Shadowpillar | peterS: yeah, they said it was IIRC |
| 06:37.47 | peterS | xjkx: I mean, make sure the host knows it is supposed to route between the guest OS and the outside world |
| 06:37.49 | tongueroo | liable: i didnt use apt-get in complied lighttpd myself for various reasons |
| 06:37.57 | liable | tongueroo: ah, ok |
| 06:38.06 | eldowon | night |
| 06:38.07 | _Rocko | troubled, he need to start and stop the dhcp daemon as needed |
| 06:38.11 | troubled | Shadowpillar: you know what IIRC means right? hint: its not an irc client ;) |
| 06:38.16 | OllieD | hi |
| 06:38.25 | Shadowpillar | peterS: my real question is, what do I do after I upstream? |
| 06:38.28 | troubled | _Rocko: well, lets hope he caught that and figured it out |
| 06:38.30 | Shadowpillar | if I remember correctly |
| 06:38.41 | troubled | Shadowpillar: np hehe just checkin |
| 06:38.42 | xjkx | peters: hmm, is there a way to check if the netcard was found by the system?i think lspci always shows our hardware, even when not detected |
| 06:38.48 | peterS | Shadowpillar: depends on the type of package. the one I just got from debian unstable does not have a 'dist' directory at all, it is standard dpatch. |
| 06:39.00 | troubled | Shadowpillar: sorry, just the way you said it made it sound like a quote |
| 06:39.06 | xevious | does anyone here have a java runtime installed on etch? |
| 06:39.07 | peterS | xjkx: correct, lspci always shows it. but note that DNS would not work if the card were not found |
| 06:39.14 | peterS | xjkx: and you said DNS does work |
| 06:39.24 | xjkx | it does, you've got a point :> |
| 06:39.26 | Shadowpillar | peterS: because debbuild isnt working whatsoever |
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| 06:40.37 | peterS | Shadowpillar: oh, interesting, upstream uses a linux-kernel-like make system. that has nothing to do with your problem, it's just interesting to me |
| 06:41.33 | peterS | Shadowpillar: anyway, so what's the existing debian package of xawtv that you are working from? I'm looking at 3.95-3 from Debian |
| 06:41.58 | Shadowpillar | 3.94-1 |
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| 06:42.31 | arma | i did an apt-get upgrade on my sarge, and it has choked on kcontrol and kicker. it looks like it's fighting with kdelibs-bin and kdelibs-data over the same files. |
| 06:42.42 | peterS | Shadowpillar: ahh, interesting. the debian package 3.95-1 includes a changelog entry which says " * Replace ad-hoc patch system with dpatch." |
| 06:42.44 | arma | is this a known issue? what's the nicest way to resolve? |
| 06:42.56 | peterS | Shadowpillar: so apparently the package you're working from uses a different build system as the one I'm looking at |
| 06:42.59 | Shadowpillar | that's prolly it. |
| 06:43.01 | Shadowpillar | :/ |
| 06:43.10 | Shadowpillar | I should just do what I was initially gonna do |
| 06:43.16 | Shadowpillar | build a new package from scratch |
| 06:43.49 | peterS | Shadowpillar: well, or pull 3.95-3 from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xawtv/ - grab the .orig.tar.gz and the .diff.gz |
| 06:44.07 | peterS | and the .dsc, and use 'dpkg-source -x xawtv_3.95-3.dsc' to extract them |
| 06:45.30 | mhall | peterS: i know what dscs are but what does dsc itself stand for |
| 06:45.42 | peterS | mhall: Debian SourCe, I assume |
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| 06:50.25 | arma | the specific problem is |
| 06:50.25 | arma | Unpacking replacement kcontrol ... |
| 06:50.25 | arma | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1sarge3_i386.d |
| 06:50.25 | arma | eb (--unpack): |
| 06:50.25 | arma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:50.51 | arma | oh, poo. sorry. didn't realize 4 lines counts. |
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| 06:53.22 | liable | dget -x foo.dsc is handy too |
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| 06:54.17 | mhall | arma: the usual solution to this is running dpkg --force-overwrite on one of the packages |
| 06:54.25 | mhall | arma: but if you do that it's an ugly fix |
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| 06:54.36 | mhall | arma: how did the problem come up in the first place? |
| 06:54.57 | arma | i did an apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade of my sarge |
| 06:55.05 | arma | it pulled the stuff from security.debian.org, and now here i am. |
| 06:55.14 | liable | arma: no, what other sources do you have? |
| 06:55.45 | arma | i do have some other sources, including backports. |
| 06:56.22 | arma | the colliding packages are kde, from sarge and security.debian.org, though. |
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| 06:56.57 | liable | arma: more likely backports and security |
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| 06:57.19 | liable | arma: just do as MetaPhaze_laptop said, and file a bug to backports |
| 06:57.25 | mhall | liable: this looks like a debian tree version number to me /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1sarge3_i386.d |
| 06:57.27 | liable | err.. mhall |
| 06:57.38 | arma | yeah. you're probably right. ok. i'll clobber it and keep moving. thanks. |
| 06:57.50 | MetaPhaze_laptop | i did? |
| 06:57.54 | MetaPhaze_laptop | :) |
| 06:58.07 | liable | mhall: yeah, but that package is prolly trying to overwrite a b.p.o package |
| 06:59.07 | Guerin | hm, this business with the pci ide card taking precedence over the onboard ide is a pain in the arse, it means if I ever get rid of it, my drives will be all fucked up |
| 06:59.40 | liable | Guerin: you mean pcmcia? |
| 06:59.41 | unixinfidel[win] | anyone here run vmware server on a box with 512MB ddr? trying to gauge how well xp will work. |
| 06:59.51 | Guerin | no, i mean a pci ide/raid card |
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| 07:00.02 | Guerin | which I'm not using for raid |
| 07:00.39 | Guerin | i'm building a media box, and I have a 15G drive which has the OS on it, and 160, 120 and 80G drives for storage. plus a dvd burner. |
| 07:00.41 | liable | Guerin: grub mapping file? |
| 07:00.48 | tarzeau | liable: pity i wasn't there to help |
| 07:00.48 | unixinfidel[win] | anyone? |
| 07:01.03 | Guerin | liable: would be nice, but the installerfinishes, then the system won't boot |
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| 07:01.36 | liable | tarzeau: ya, thought you may be able to help.. |
| 07:02.01 | mhall | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 07:02.01 | mhall | /dev/md0 932G 263G 670G 29% /raid |
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| 07:02.11 | unixinfidel[win] | holy jebus. |
| 07:02.13 | mhall | Guerin: beat this ^ |
| 07:02.26 | unixinfidel[win] | mhall: how much did that setup cost you, RAID 0? |
| 07:02.43 | mhall | Array Size : 976783360 (931.53 GiB 1000.23 GB) |
| 07:02.48 | liable | mhall: you have much more pr0n to coolect from the looks of that! |
| 07:02.52 | mhall | unixinfidel[win]: RAID 5. |
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| 07:03.03 | mhall | liable: have not copied everything into the volume yet |
| 07:03.04 | tarzeau | liable: i am now, if he's still there |
| 07:03.09 | unixinfidel[win] | mhall: how much did that setup cost you? |
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| 07:03.21 | Guerin | unixinfidel[win]: he works for HP |
| 07:03.27 | peterS | that's just 250 GB * 5 disks |
| 07:03.38 | peterS | plus possibly a sixth disk as a hot spare |
| 07:03.40 | liable | tarzeau: it was a couple of hours ago, and i cant remember the nick :/ |
| 07:03.43 | unixinfidel[win] | Guerin: ahh, makes sense :) |
| 07:03.44 | buu | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 07:03.52 | buu | 192.168.1.3:/s 2.1T 841G 1.3T 40% /mnt/s |
| 07:03.53 | mhall | unixinfidel[win]: SATA II NCQ. 7200 RPM. 5x250GB + backplane. 70 USD per drive plus 120 for backplanes |
| 07:04.10 | mhall | unixinfidel[win]: 470 USD |
| 07:04.11 | liable | buu: smart ass! |
| 07:04.14 | buu | =] |
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| 07:04.25 | buu | I try. |
| 07:04.26 | himmelstrutz_- | Hello. I'm trying to get my WLAN working under Debian/Etch.. I' |
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| 07:04.44 | liable | buu: you usually succed too.. :P |
| 07:04.47 | mhall | unixinfidel[win]: plus a dual opteron 246 with supermicro h8dce, and a gigabyte fan-free 7600gt and 4gb ddr400 |
| 07:04.47 | arma | liable: great. thanks for the help. (now i'll stick around to do my good deed and stick around to help somebody else before disappearing. :) |
| 07:04.51 | mhall | buu: what kind of volume |
| 07:04.53 | buu | liable: It's a talent. |
| 07:04.55 | buu | mhall: r5 |
| 07:05.01 | unixinfidel[win] | mhall: not a bad price. i'm not quite sure what i'd need that for, but i'm sure i could make use of it :P |
| 07:05.02 | mhall | buu: homemade nas? |
| 07:05.05 | buu | Yup. |
| 07:05.10 | mhall | unixinfidel[win]: i've been finding ways |
| 07:05.10 | himmelstrutz_- | ve got the Ipw2200 module installed -- and I have modified /etc/networking/interfaces correctly -- but still it doesn't work. |
| 07:05.18 | unixinfidel[win] | mhall: for instance? |
| 07:05.23 | dcorn-home | liable, its david-work are you sure start-stop-damon is in apt I do not think it is |
| 07:05.27 | liable | arma: fixed? cool, dont forget to file a bug |
| 07:05.36 | mhall | buu: well good thing i'm not around cause i'd be depositing sperm all over the exterior and possibly the interior if there were a suitable orifice :-P |
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| 07:05.41 | buu | haha |
| 07:05.43 | liable | !info start-stop-daemon |
| 07:05.47 | peterS | dcorn-home: start-stop-daemon comes with dpkg, so you should always have it installed |
| 07:05.50 | buu | mhall: Yeah, it's a fun toy. |
| 07:06.05 | dcorn-home | peterS, I know but i dont :/ |
| 07:06.08 | mhall | unixinfidel[win]: well i just subscribed to an unlimited dvd rental service, and let's just say i found a way to extend my rentals arbitrarily long |
| 07:06.10 | dcorn-home | !info start-stop-daemon |
| 07:06.14 | peterS | dcorn-home: it is in /sbin |
| 07:06.15 | mhall | buu: what kind of drives did you use |
| 07:06.28 | dcorn-home | peterS, I know but its not |
| 07:06.29 | peterS | dcorn-home: which is usually only in your path if you are root |
| 07:06.41 | peterS | dcorn-home: what OS are you using? apparently not debian. |
| 07:06.43 | Guerin | well, here's another idea |
| 07:06.44 | mhall | buu: i'm thinking about making a raptor array in a few months when the price of the SATA-II NCQ version goes down a bit |
| 07:06.44 | dcorn-home | peterS, Im not a newb trust me its not there |
| 07:06.58 | dcorn-home | its the fake one |
| 07:07.03 | dcorn-home | not the .REAL one |
| 07:07.08 | Guerin | shoudl I run all my ide through the pci card, instead of the onboard? |
| 07:07.14 | dcorn-home | i just dont want to have to reinstall to get SSD |
| 07:07.18 | mhall | buu: the raptor apparently scores higher than some 15k rpm drives, speaking of which i have a six pack of those in an HP netserver i scrapped together with leftover parts at work |
| 07:07.19 | peterS | dcorn-home: "the fake one"? you mean the one installed by debootstrap? |
| 07:07.24 | dcorn-home | yes |
| 07:07.30 | mhall | buu: i need to fire that motherfucker up but the bad fan light keeps coming on |
| 07:07.40 | mhall | buu: last thing i wanna do is fry six 15ks |
| 07:08.03 | peterS | dcorn-home: well, debootstrap does that when it thinks it is installing a chroot for use on top of your normal system. since you don't want s-s-d starting services inside the chroot, normally |
| 07:08.19 | buu | mhall: I'm using 250s |
| 07:08.28 | mhall | buu: what brand |
| 07:08.32 | peterS | dcorn-home: check 'dpkg-divert --list' to see if it's been diverted. I think that's what debootstrap does. |
| 07:08.40 | buu | mhall: I think... maxtor |
| 07:08.46 | dcorn-home | peterS, I used the livecd to install etch and everything seems fine besides SSD |
| 07:08.58 | dcorn-home | i have actually been using it without SSD for weeks |
| 07:09.19 | dcorn-home | so liable wheres this pkg? |
| 07:09.23 | peterS | dcorn-home: out of curiosity, what live CD? Debian doesn't ship a live CD |
| 07:09.31 | dcorn-home | sorry |
| 07:09.33 | dcorn-home | netinst |
| 07:09.55 | himmelstrutz_- | "Aug 28 09:09:18 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2" --- How can I correct this? My problem is that I can't get my WLAN working. |
| 07:10.01 | peterS | dcorn-home: if 'dpkg-divert --list' did not show it, perhaps you could get it back with 'apt-get install --reinstall dpkg' |
| 07:10.40 | mhall | buu: how many did it take |
| 07:10.46 | arma | liable: "fixed" is a strong term. no longer complaining though. backports doesn't seem to have a bugzilla. it has a "send feedback to nobse@debian.org" link, but that's pretty direct. hm. |
| 07:10.48 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: have you installed the firmware? |
| 07:10.54 | dcorn-home | sweet thanks peterS that worked |
| 07:10.58 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: Yes. |
| 07:11.01 | peterS | dcorn-home: cool |
| 07:11.05 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: where? |
| 07:11.06 | dcorn-home | ty |
| 07:11.32 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: hm. somewhere. |
| 07:11.40 | buu | mhall: There are 10 |
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| 07:12.01 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: thats usefull.. :P |
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| 07:12.31 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: Aug 28 09:09:18 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, git-1.0.8 --- means that it is installed, no? |
| 07:13.16 | mhall | buu: what kind of power supply? sata? |
| 07:13.18 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: the module is installed from the looks, yes. it needs firmware to run though.. is there anything in /lib/firmware? |
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| 07:13.28 | mhall | buu: hw or sw raid |
| 07:13.28 | buu | mhall: 550, yes |
| 07:13.30 | buu | sw |
| 07:13.35 | buu | hw is ridiculously expensive |
| 07:13.41 | liable | kristalino: you got the driver from git? |
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| 07:13.55 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: you got the driver from git? |
| 07:13.58 | himmelstrutz_- | liabe: no, there's nothing in /lib/firmware... |
| 07:14.00 | liable | kristalino: sorry |
| 07:14.00 | mhall | buu: there are some fairly priced sata/sas raid 5 cards now |
| 07:14.11 | mhall | buu: the shitty part is none of them come close to mdadm for interface |
| 07:14.15 | buu | mhall: Yeah, but getting a 10 port.. |
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| 07:14.39 | buu | mhall: Hell, 95% of the cards I saw did software raid5 anyway |
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| 07:14.48 | mhall | buu: i think there are some cards which can chain between copies of the card |
| 07:14.54 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: did you just blindly install stuff, or you followed some docs, or it just magically appeared on your box? |
| 07:14.56 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: I've got the driver from ipw22000*.deb |
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| 07:15.16 | buu | mhall: I'm actually using 3 2 port sata cards |
| 07:15.23 | buu | mhall: Which technically can do some sort of raid. |
| 07:15.36 | gettin | can jigdo resume the download of an iso image? |
| 07:15.39 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: then I've modified /etc/networking/interfaces; /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:15.40 | peterS | you can only get a certain amount of raid out of 2 ports |
| 07:15.51 | buu | peterS: Well, yeah |
| 07:16.02 | peterS | jbod, 0, 1 |
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| 07:16.13 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: read /usr/share/doc/ipw2200/ |
| 07:16.17 | buu | What is the difference between jbod and 0? |
| 07:16.34 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: ok, but its only the firmware missing... I will install it now. Thanks dude. |
| 07:16.38 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: you need to get firmaware for it (vivit the sorceforge site for ipw220) |
| 07:16.39 | peterS | jbod is 'just a bunch of disks', you concatenate them all together, logically |
| 07:17.01 | peterS | raid0 alternates between the two (or more) disks every N kilobytes |
| 07:17.06 | liable | my typing sucks so much ass.. :( |
| 07:17.07 | peterS | where N might be 64 or so |
| 07:18.21 | liable | gettin: believe so |
| 07:18.48 | gettin | ok thanks |
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| 07:23.46 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: Aug 28 09:23:08 localhost kernel: ipw2200: ipw-2.4-boot.fw load failed: Reason -2 / localhost kernel: ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 / ipw2200: failed to register network device ---- this is what I get after installing the Firmware to /lib/firmware/ipw2200-fw-3. |
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| 07:23.58 | himmelstrutz_- | ...and after restarting the module. |
| 07:24.07 | mhall | buu: with jbod there are no stripes |
| 07:24.47 | buu | mhall: So it just fills up one then the other? |
| 07:25.08 | mhall | buu: yeah. |
| 07:25.35 | mhall | buu: pretty ugly. but... maybe just maybe it comes in handy for dynamic resizing or some kind of realtime stuff |
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| 07:25.48 | mhall | buu: other than that i'm not sure why in hell it would be a good idea |
| 07:26.14 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: hrm, i only have experience with ipw3945, read all relevant info on the ipw220o site |
| 07:26.26 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: will do. |
| 07:26.43 | buu | mhall: Well, if you lose one disk you don't lose both |
| 07:26.44 | buu | unlike 0 |
| 07:26.46 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: sure you have right firmware for the module version? |
| 07:27.14 | himmelstrutz_- | liable: no. will check. thanks(!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
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| 07:28.08 | liable | himmelstrutz_-: i am sure /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-source would have some pointers.. |
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| 07:29.01 | liable | !pal jetscreamer |
| 07:29.11 | liable | just getting in early :P |
| 07:30.11 | Shadowpillar | peterS: I get this now |
| 07:30.13 | Shadowpillar | dpatch apply-all |
| 07:30.13 | Shadowpillar | applying patch 01_gcc4 to ./ ... failed. |
| 07:30.13 | Shadowpillar | make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 |
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| 07:30.30 | Shadowpillar | this is hopeless. |
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| 07:31.13 | peterS | Shadowpillar: debian/patches/01_gcc4.dpatch apparently does not apply to the new code. your job is now to figure out (a) what that patch is supposed to do and why it's in the debian package; (b) why it does not apply to the new version; and therefore (c) whether you should hack the patch to work, or remove it from consideration since it's obsolete |
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| 07:31.41 | mhall | buu: but how do you get the FS to recover from disk 0/5 missing? |
| 07:31.50 | mhall | buu: it contains all the metadata |
| 07:31.59 | peterS | bah, he left a bit too soon |
| 07:32.36 | mhall | buu: the place where you might want jbod would be for meta-raid, i.e. concatenating independent raid arrays |
| 07:32.50 | buu | Eh, I guess. |
| 07:32.57 | mhall | buu: but even then you usually use striping, with big stripes going to each array which raids itself with level 5 or 6 |
| 07:33.04 | jetscreamer | i love buu, he thinks like me |
| 07:33.10 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 07:35.25 | Guerin | !find bin/lspci etch |
| 07:35.27 | himmelstrutz_- | how is it possible to check the version of the installed ipw2200 module that comes with debian/etch? |
| 07:35.42 | streuner_ | pciutils? |
| 07:35.59 | mhall | peterS: probably the new code is gcc4 compliant already |
| 07:36.04 | mhall | peterS: so the patch shits itself |
| 07:36.08 | Guerin | why it's not in base is the next question |
| 07:36.13 | peterS | mhall: quite possibly |
| 07:36.16 | himmelstrutz_- | st: aight! |
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| 07:36.37 | cydork | himmelstrutz_-, modinfo modulename should give you the version you want. |
| 07:36.41 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, it's 'pciutils', should be installed by default, I should think |
| 07:36.54 | himmelstrutz_- | cydork: thanks thanks thanks |
| 07:36.57 | streuner_ | it isn't in sarge |
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| 07:37.21 | streuner_ | no idea about etch |
| 07:37.47 | peterS | buu: note in the Linux kernel, jbod is known as 'linear'. just in case you want to use it some time |
| 07:38.03 | cydork | himmelstrutz_-, np |
| 07:38.22 | buu | peterS: Thanks. |
| 07:38.25 | peterS | also, resizing a raid0 by adding another disk involves rewriting the entire partition. adding a disk to jbod is, by comparison, a rather simple matter |
| 07:38.33 | buu | Strong point. |
| 07:38.48 | peterS | mdadm can do both, I'm pretty sure |
| 07:38.54 | peterS | but in the raid0 case it takes a lot longer (: |
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| 07:39.17 | Guerin | peterS: not on etch beta3 |
| 07:39.20 | peterS | and I'm not certain whether it checkpoints it correctly so that you don't lose data if power fails halfway through |
| 07:41.42 | himmelstrutz_- | woho! its all working now. OK. thanks to all the people that helped me. sorry for being such a newbie. I love the debian world. |
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| 07:42.24 | Heimidal | has anyone compiled Apache 2.2? |
| 07:42.44 | Guerin | so they can fit all of kde and gnome on binary-1, but not openbox |
| 07:42.49 | Guerin | bah, this is stupid |
| 07:43.01 | ootput | Guerin: the dvd? |
| 07:43.21 | Guerin | the cd |
| 07:43.32 | liable | Guerin: its popularity based.. |
| 07:43.42 | Guerin | liable: it's about 2MB |
| 07:43.54 | Guerin | some sane discretion must be involved, surely |
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| 07:44.12 | liable | Guerin: i dont deny that, just saying thats how they decide whats on cd1 |
| 07:44.36 | peterS | Heimidal: if you run debian unstable, you can get apache 2.2 from experimental |
| 07:44.52 | liable | Guerin: in a sane world, kernel source and make shits would be on cd1 too :) |
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| 07:45.24 | Heimidal | peterS: I'm fairly new to administering Linux, and I'm running a server with Debian Sarge (it's been sitting in a rack serving email for almost a year) |
| 07:45.27 | liable | but not in the debian sane world i guess |
| 07:45.54 | Guerin | why, since debian kernels are so good, when gnome and kde are a waste of time+space? |
| 07:46.03 | xjkx | Peters lol, the internet it working now, but still it doesn't ping, kinda strange |
| 07:46.04 | ootput | i concur |
| 07:46.08 | peterS | Heimidal: yeah, I'm not sure offhand whether there's an apache 2.2 suite provided for sarge anywhere. it might appear on backports.org, one never knows |
| 07:46.19 | xjkx | is* |
| 07:46.21 | Heimidal | :\ |
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| 07:46.32 | ootput | xjkx: probably some restrictions at the firewall |
| 07:46.37 | Heimidal | how difficult is it to upgrade to a more recent version of Debian (Etch, I'm guessing)? |
| 07:46.38 | peterS | xjkx: so regular tcp packets go through but not ICMP? that might indeed be something related to your host-side routing |
| 07:46.43 | ootput | type 8 restricton |
| 07:47.06 | peterS | ootput: he's running debian in a virtual machine inside a freebsd box |
| 07:47.23 | ootput | oh |
| 07:47.39 | xjkx | ootput i unloaded iptables, peters: but out of qemu i can ping xD never seen anything like that before |
| 07:48.00 | peterS | Heimidal: the procedure is dead simple. the only question is, what's the probability that it works smoothly and doesn't cause problems for your production server. and that's not something we can decide for you |
| 07:48.07 | xjkx | thanks for your attention anyway :) |
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| 07:51.55 | Heimidal | peterS: hmm. |
| 07:52.14 | Heimidal | well, can you tell me how to do it and I'll debate whether or not I want to risk it? |
| 07:53.07 | peterS | Heimidal: the procedure is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to change 'stable' or 'sarge' to 'etch' everywhere. and I think comment out the security.debian.org line, though I can't remember for sure. then run 'aptitude update' followed by 'aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 07:53.10 | Guerin | ok, what's the new x metapackage which doens't install all the drivers, only the one I need? |
| 07:53.15 | Guerin | or specify? |
| 07:53.31 | Guerin | x-w-s-c wants to install the kitchen sink |
| 07:53.50 | Heimidal | peterS: if it doesn't go smoothly, what might be some side effects? driver problems? or the machine simply won't boot? |
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| 07:53.58 | Guerin | damnit, i need to put this box on teh intrwebs |
| 07:54.04 | peterS | Guerin: is there one of those? the xserver-xorg package pulls in all drivers by default, but if you go into aptitude or something, you can remove everything but the ones you need and it should still install |
| 07:54.13 | liable | Guerin: i think the only way around it is xorg-xserver-core, plus drivers |
| 07:54.42 | liable | dont mind my dyslexia |
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| 07:55.02 | peterS | Heimidal: oh who knows. first it might not install smoothly, some package refuses to finish installing because of one error or another, which you'll have to track down if you care about finishing the install. then some package may not work correctly because of a config file format change or change of expectations or whatever. |
| 07:55.27 | peterS | Heimidal: I'm not trying to scare you, but if you rely on this server to be up at all times, and you do a dist-upgrade and something breaks and you aren't sure how to fix it, you're SOL. |
| 07:55.48 | Heimidal | alright |
| 07:55.55 | Heimidal | I'll weigh my options |
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| 07:55.59 | Heimidal | thanks |
| 07:57.17 | sep | Heimidal, why would you need to upgrade ? there may be alternatives. |
| 07:57.21 | peterS | Heimidal: I mean, of course we're here in case you get too stuck, but we're an unreliable resource too - the guy who knows exactly how to fix your problem might be asleep or, of all the nerve, _outdoors_ |
| 07:57.42 | Heimidal | heh |
| 07:58.21 | Heimidal | sep: I _really_ need to get Apache 2.2 installed, and I've had five people point me at the package in experimental. no one seems to have any experience compiling it. |
| 07:59.39 | Heimidal | hrm.. I swear, if I just got it to work after trying something incredibly simple, I'll scream :P |
| 08:00.27 | sep | Heimidal, why install apache2.2 on a critical mailserver ? i'd set up a dedicated box, or something. |
| 08:00.38 | Heimidal | it's not just a mailserver anymore |
| 08:00.55 | Heimidal | it was never meant to be.. we just took a very long time setting up a website |
| 08:01.47 | PerfDave | Heimidal: If I were you, I'd just compile Apache 2.2 into /usr/local on your Sarge box rather than trying to upgrade to Sid, if you're a newcomer to Linux. |
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| 08:02.06 | PerfDave | Heimidal: Actually, if I were you, I'd use Apache 2.0 and be happy. |
| 08:02.20 | yang | How is KO/PI KA/PI KDE package called on debian? |
| 08:02.28 | Heimidal | PerfDave: my setup requires Apache 2.2 :\ |
| 08:02.37 | Heimidal | I'll try and figure it out. |
| 08:02.38 | PerfDave | Heimidal: What setup is that? |
| 08:02.38 | peterS | Heimidal: out of curiosity, what is it in 2.2 that you need? |
| 08:02.47 | Heimidal | PerfDave: Apache/Mongrel/Ruby |
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| 08:03.07 | Dibbler_ | My upgrade fails on trying to install x11-common, anything I should be aware of? |
| 08:03.11 | peterS | oh yeah, it _is_ people in rubyland who have been whining loudest for apache 2.2 to get into etch |
| 08:03.29 | r3tex | I don't get what I have to do to get lo to go up on boot. I have "iface lo inet loopback" there but it doesn't work... |
| 08:03.39 | PerfDave | Heimidal: Never heard of it, but like I say, I'd hand-compile even if it means having to sort out securityupdates manually. |
| 08:03.47 | r3tex | I don't want to make a local script if it's supposed to be handled ther |
| 08:03.53 | PerfDave | r3tex: man 5 interfaces |
| 08:03.54 | Heimidal | hmm |
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| 08:04.08 | Heimidal | I tried compiling as well and it didn't go so well.. maybe I was just doing something stupid |
| 08:04.46 | PerfDave | Heimidal: Try asking #apache for help, or reading http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/install.html |
| 08:04.59 | Heimidal | ok |
| 08:05.00 | Heimidal | thanks |
| 08:05.03 | PerfDave | Heimidal: It should just be as simple as "./configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && make install" though |
| 08:05.14 | PerfDave | Just don't forget the --prefix bit |
| 08:05.24 | peterS | PerfDave: you completely discount the possibility that it needs other libraries to exist |
| 08:05.29 | peterS | PerfDave: such as libapr1-dev and libaprutil1-dev |
| 08:06.07 | peterS | (it almost sounds as though you have very limited experience with software development or even compiling other people's software, beyond the very simple stuff) |
| 08:06.08 | PerfDave | peterS: I'm not discounting anything. It should be simple. It may not be :) |
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| 08:06.46 | Dibbler_ | Mkay |
| 08:07.15 | Heimidal | peterS: I know a whole lot about web app development. beyond that, nothing. :P |
| 08:07.24 | peterS | and as it happens, libapr1-dev and libaprutil1-dev do not exist in debian stable, so if apache 2.2 needs _those_ (I'm not sure if it does or not), you'd have to get them separately |
| 08:07.29 | PerfDave | But since I've never tried using Apache 2.2, let alone compiling it from upstream tarball, I thought I'd give Heimidal the basic installation instructions, which are the ones mentioned on http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/install.html as a starting point. |
| 08:07.42 | PerfDave | peterS: So you have no idea what you're talking about either? |
| 08:07.55 | Heimidal | libtool: install: error: cannot install `libaprutil-1.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/local/apache2/lib |
| 08:07.56 | Heimidal | heh. |
| 08:08.02 | peterS | PerfDave: I know the Debian apache 2.2 uses those two libraries separately. I don't know if they're bundled by upstream or not. |
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| 08:10.17 | PerfDave | Fortunately for Heimdall, they are, and instructions for builidng them are in the Apache 2.2 installation page I linked to :) |
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| 08:11.55 | ootput | i can't seem to get gkrellm (on sarge) to use fonts from the artwiz package. I've tried both the full fontline and the corresponding alias. |
| 08:12.26 | ootput | the fontpath in XF86Config-4 is included, and a local xset fp is specified in .xinitrc |
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| 08:16.45 | Dibbler_ | Anybody know about the x11-common problem? |
| 08:17.01 | ofer0 | Dibbler, what problem? |
| 08:17.27 | Dibbler_ | My upgrade fails on trying to install x11-common |
| 08:17.43 | ofer0 | Dibbler, Is there an error log? |
| 08:17.56 | Dibbler_ | trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin' |
| 08:18.10 | Dibbler_ | x11-common_1%3a7.0.23_i386 btw |
| 08:18.38 | ofer0 | Dibbler, apt-get update; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:18.41 | ofer0 | Try this first. |
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| 08:23.33 | Dibbler_ | ofer0: Same error |
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| 08:24.40 | Heimidal | hmm, well, I thought I was getting somewhere :P |
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| 08:25.31 | ofer0 | Dibbler, Can you please paste the full log? |
| 08:25.51 | ofer0 | (I mean Dibbler_ ) |
| 08:26.11 | Dibbler_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.11 | Dibbler_ | Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix.... |
| 08:26.11 | Dibbler_ | Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix.... |
| 08:26.12 | Dibbler_ | Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix.... |
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| 08:26.56 | ofer0 | Dibbler, Okay. Try to remove /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.0.23_i386.deb and then try again. |
| 08:28.06 | Dibbler_ | same |
| 08:28.16 | Dibbler_ | It just downloads it again |
| 08:28.43 | ofer0 | Maybe try another source? |
| 08:29.11 | ofer0 | comment all sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt-setup" and choose a reliable source |
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| 08:29.30 | Dibbler_ | A reliable source eh |
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| 08:29.34 | SkareCrow | hello, i was wording if its possible that i can make a user run a command from root |
| 08:29.40 | SkareCrow | wondering* |
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| 08:31.26 | runixd | run command from root ??? |
| 08:31.30 | SkareCrow | like if i were logged in as root and wanted the user "skarecrow" to run ls and see the output, how could i do that |
| 08:31.30 | yang | How is KO/PI KA/PI Korganiser Platform independant KDE package called on debian? |
| 08:32.07 | runixd | su skarecrow && ls |
| 08:32.10 | PerfDave | SkareCrow: Using su or sudo. |
| 08:32.26 | SkareCrow | but will the person thats already on that account be able to see the output? |
| 08:32.27 | PerfDave | SkareCrow: Though really, you should log in as a non-root account and use su or sudo to run things as root. |
| 08:32.43 | runixd | no |
| 08:32.51 | SkareCrow | my question again if i may |
| 08:32.55 | PerfDave | SkareCrow: Ah, you want to display ouput to another user's terminal? screen -x may be your best bet then. |
| 08:32.57 | runixd | he won't see the output as he won't be attached to the terminal |
| 08:32.59 | SkareCrow | how do i run a command for a user so he can see the output |
| 08:33.01 | peterS | SkareCrow: su skarecrow -c 'ls' |
| 08:33.11 | SkareCrow | i will try that |
| 08:33.12 | SkareCrow | :) |
| 08:33.22 | runixd | you should use screen |
| 08:33.44 | ofer0 | or use "talk" |
| 08:33.44 | peterS | SkareCrow: it won't send the output to the user's terminal, no |
| 08:33.46 | runixd | talk will only talk |
| 08:34.04 | peterS | SkareCrow: if you really must, you can redirect to the user's terminal device. 'w' will tell you what that device is, in the second column. (devices must be prefixed with /dev/) |
| 08:34.20 | peterS | SkareCrow: so for example, ls > /dev/pts/4 |
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| 08:35.02 | SkareCrow | ahh |
| 08:35.02 | SkareCrow | kk |
| 08:35.04 | peterS | that's a bit disruptive, since the user might be in the middle of typing a command or something when suddenly a bunch of output comes in out of the blue |
| 08:35.04 | SkareCrow | i will try that |
| 08:35.24 | SkareCrow | w007 |
| 08:35.25 | SkareCrow | that worked |
| 08:35.27 | SkareCrow | thanks! |
| 08:35.47 | peterS | I should note that usually only root has the ability to disrupt other people's terminals that way |
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| 08:36.01 | SkareCrow | thats what i originally asked |
| 08:36.03 | SkareCrow | from root |
| 08:36.08 | peterS | yeah |
| 08:36.11 | SkareCrow | although wall allows you to interupt |
| 08:36.24 | peterS | /usr/bin/write has permission to do this too, because it is setgid to the 'tty' group |
| 08:36.32 | peterS | yes, write or wall |
| 08:36.44 | MatBoy | I did a distupgrade yesterday and now I have the problem that the fonts of FF is different and very narrow. Someone had this too ? |
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| 08:45.02 | shiftless | hi guys, can someone please suggest a very good webmail client for sarge? i went to install imp4 but it wants to install apache, and im using apache2 |
| 08:45.22 | sep | shiftless, im using squirrelmail |
| 08:45.29 | shiftless | i think the real issue is it wants to install php4, and im using php5 |
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| 08:46.04 | shiftless | i dont really like squirrelmail, looks for something a little bit nicer looking and feeling |
| 08:46.14 | sep | shiftless, imp4 should also use php5-imap |
| 08:46.22 | litb | hi all! |
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| 08:46.39 | litb | i want to install xorgconfig . how cna i know in which package it is ? |
| 08:46.42 | sep | install php5-imap first |
| 08:47.01 | shiftless | ok, lemme try that |
| 08:47.11 | PerfDave | shiftless: It's quite easy to make squirrelmail look nicer |
| 08:47.27 | k31th | guys, when i login to my squirrelmail i can login then it asks me if i want to download the right hand side of the page |
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| 08:47.39 | k31th | My apache support php... |
| 08:47.45 | k31th | never used to do this :s |
| 08:47.52 | shiftless | PerfDave: yes, probably so, but i just spend the past 15 hours doing css/xhtml development, and i just wanna get something set up real quick and go |
| 08:47.54 | LoneWlf | So, anyone else having issues typing due to hightened caffeinated intake? |
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| 08:48.57 | shiftless | ok, for some reason this thing insists on installing php4 to install horde and imp |
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| 08:49.31 | shiftless | even after i installed php5-imap |
| 08:50.26 | LoneWlf | that would be because of the dependencies. it actually has to have 4... the code was never ported to 5... not in the package n-e-ways |
| 08:50.27 | shiftless | ah, only the unstable 4.1 package supports php5, not the 4.0 thats in stable |
| 08:50.51 | LoneWlf | there ya go |
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| 08:51.20 | liable | litb: why do you want it? why not use dpkg? |
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| 08:52.00 | litb | liable, how to use it? |
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| 08:52.21 | liable | litb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:54.44 | Guerin | ah, why is windows internet connection sharing so shit |
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| 08:55.04 | Guerin | you turn it on, set your gateway on the client box, and it just doesn't work |
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| 08:55.27 | LoneWlf | I've actually never had a problem |
| 08:55.29 | PerfDave | Guerin: #windows :p |
| 08:55.32 | shiftless | Guerin: leave it up to microsoft to come up with shitty, broken solutions to everything |
| 08:55.37 | LoneWlf | check you're firewall... |
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| 08:56.20 | Guerin | PerfDave: give me a pci modem which works on a sane OS as well, svp |
| 08:56.33 | Guerin | PerfDave: or call hellstraclear and tell them to hurry they arses up |
| 08:56.48 | k31th | Guerin: get a real modem |
| 08:56.59 | fireba11 | Guerin if you really need help with it pm me ;-) |
| 08:57.08 | Guerin | k31th: i *have* a real fucking modem, but it's isa |
| 08:57.20 | fireba11 | isa ? lol |
| 08:57.23 | k31th | ipcop supports quite alot of modems |
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| 08:57.53 | shiftless | Guerin: get a lucent LT win modem. excellent modem, well supported in linux |
| 08:57.57 | k31th | even my shite adsl pci card that cost a 10er |
| 08:57.58 | Guerin | k31th: that's nice, how am I supposed to plug it into my non-isa boxen? |
| 08:58.00 | shiftless | difficult to find though |
| 08:58.29 | shiftless | modemsite.com used to sell them, then they switched to the lucent SV92P which has a software DSP and is not supported in linux |
| 08:58.35 | Guerin | shiftless: i'm just waiting for hellstra to get my broadband on, which is due to happen on sep 7. I'm not buying a new modem for that time. |
| 08:58.42 | k31th | Guerin: with a hammer |
| 08:58.52 | Guerin | !hammer k31th |
| 08:58.57 | shiftless | these modems are like $20 |
| 08:59.27 | k31th | Guerin: where you from? |
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| 09:00.56 | PerfDave | Real modems have serial connectors! |
| 09:01.18 | k31th | :D |
| 09:01.23 | shiftless | is there one webmail app on planet fucking earth that is built for sarge and will work with php5? damn |
| 09:01.27 | vic | how can i read readme.debian.gz? |
| 09:01.40 | shiftless | squirrelmail, alohamail, and imp4 packages all require php4 on sarge |
| 09:01.53 | syntaxx | vic, gunzip readme.debian.gz |
| 09:01.59 | sussudio | vic: zless readme.debian.gz |
| 09:02.01 | Guerin | k31th: Noo Zillun |
| 09:02.11 | sussudio | syntaxx: you lose at the leenux. |
| 09:02.25 | Guerin | huzzah, it worketh, once I rebooteth |
| 09:02.26 | shiftless | lol |
| 09:02.30 | shiftless | FAIL. |
| 09:02.44 | PerfDave | shiftless: Uhm, Sarge doesn't have PHP5, so any app that is built for sarge won't work with it |
| 09:02.44 | MatBoy | which pakage do I need for truetype fonts ? |
| 09:02.54 | shiftless | PerfDave: backports |
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| 09:02.58 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 09:03.20 | PerfDave | shiftless: Which aren't official packages. |
| 09:03.25 | vic | tnx |
| 09:03.27 | shiftless | i love debian, but damn i miss just being able to *use* a modern package on gentoo, even the latest experimental shit, with no trouble |
| 09:03.36 | Guerin | gentoo |
| 09:03.38 | Guerin | no trouble |
| 09:03.41 | Guerin | HAHA |
| 09:03.51 | shiftless | emerge imp4 |
| 09:03.52 | shiftless | done |
| 09:03.54 | cydork | !greenhouse |
| 09:03.54 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 09:04.17 | cydork | shiftless, read what dpkg said :P |
| 09:04.21 | shiftless | i have used it too, in fact i am using it right now on my desktop |
| 09:04.26 | shiftless | cydork: fuck the environment |
| 09:04.28 | sussudio | %gentoosmite Guerin |
| 09:04.28 | PerfDave | shiftless: Why don't you run Debian unstable then? |
| 09:04.42 | Guerin | shiftless: 1. you missed out the hours of waiting 2. that means it's INSTALLED, but there are no guarantees it'll work |
| 09:04.46 | shiftless | PerfDave: because i'd need to do a dist upgrade, and download 5000 packages... on my dialup connection |
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| 09:05.04 | PerfDave | shiftless: So how do you cope with running Gentoo on a dialup connection? |
| 09:05.11 | PerfDave | emerge vim; vim <segfault> |
| 09:05.12 | shiftless | PerfDave: i dont upgrade it |
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| 09:05.26 | Guerin | shiftless: well, that's a solution |
| 09:05.29 | shiftless | and when i do, its over a weekend when i'll be gone or something |
| 09:05.30 | PerfDave | shiftless: You must miss being able to just *use* a modern package on Gentoo :) |
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| 09:05.52 | shiftless | huh? |
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| 09:10.51 | Guerin | shiftless: sorry, we're just simulating the gentoo environment before replying to you |
| 09:11.21 | Guerin | figure you must be patient |
| 09:11.55 | shiftless | Guerin: Package "simulating" is referenced by another package, but is not available for download. |
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| 09:12.22 | Guerin | cute, but not clever |
| 09:12.37 | Guerin | don't make me make you update your ports tree |
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| 09:13.17 | litb | hi again! |
| 09:13.35 | litb | thx for help liable, it worked |
| 09:14.10 | litb | another question: how can i switch from gnome to KDE ? |
| 09:14.21 | litb | eg, removing the gnome desktop environment? |
| 09:14.35 | PerfDave | !remove gnome |
| 09:14.35 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 09:14.45 | PerfDave | !install kde |
| 09:14.45 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 09:15.42 | litb | !install gnome |
| 09:15.42 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 09:16.07 | PerfDave | Bah, "you will need x installed to use gnome". Lies! |
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| 09:18.03 | ofer0 | PerfDave, notice that you also need a computer. |
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| 09:19.02 | simonrvn | gentoo has less up-to-date stuff than sid... *sigh* |
| 09:19.38 | dimbit | hmm, why does ctrl+alt+f1 not do anythign in xorg? |
| 09:19.45 | simonrvn | it does |
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| 09:19.56 | dimbit | or f2-f6 either |
| 09:20.02 | dimbit | not for me it doesn't |
| 09:20.05 | simonrvn | there was a bug about that, but it's long gone... |
| 09:20.07 | giorgian | hi. i've installed emacs-snapshot (emacs 22), keeping emacs21. i need to reconfigure some packages, like python-elisp, to byte-compile. but dpkg-reconfigure python-elisp byte-compiles for emacs21; how do i tell it to use emacs22? |
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| 09:20.16 | dimbit | it appears it isnt :/ |
| 09:20.31 | dimbit | any idea what the reports would have been called? |
| 09:20.35 | dimbit | google hasnt helped so far |
| 09:20.38 | simonrvn | well, that would depend if on you running recent xorg, now would it |
| 09:21.03 | dimbit | 7.0.22 |
| 09:21.09 | dimbit | the one that came with etch |
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| 09:21.45 | litb | !remove gnome |
| 09:21.45 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 09:22.02 | cydork | litb, use /msg dpkg |
| 09:22.10 | simonrvn | wel, that one was in sid, and on x86, it worked |
| 09:22.12 | litb | k, sorry |
| 09:22.13 | simonrvn | well* |
| 09:22.38 | simonrvn | didn't try on my ppc boxen because they don't have a screen :) |
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| 09:26.34 | jonssen | i am running etch. which is the right ssh package? ssh or openssh? |
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| 09:27.51 | peterS | jonssen: openssh-client and openssh-server. you may only need openssh-client, if you don't want to run a server |
| 09:29.51 | peterS | dionisos: you aren't Erik Huelsmann, by any chance? |
| 09:30.02 | litb | is there an advice about microsoft truetype fonts too ? |
| 09:30.12 | jonssen | why is he farting online? |
| 09:30.45 | peterS | well, I don't think it's Erik anyway, since he goes by 'eh' on irc. but he goes by 'dionisos' elsewhere. |
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| 09:31.20 | dionisos | since I have a life in IRC, why shouldnt I fart |
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| 09:31.52 | dionisos | any link for Erik Huelsmann ? |
| 09:32.15 | troubled | dionisos: got gas? |
| 09:32.20 | jonssen | peterS: when i try to install, it says i already have it. but i can't find ~/.ssh/config. |
| 09:32.20 | peterS | dionisos: http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/COMMITTERS |
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| 09:34.02 | cydork | jonssen, what do you want to do exactly? |
| 09:34.17 | jonssen | i want to use ssh. |
| 09:34.35 | troubled | err jonssen |
| 09:34.49 | jonssen | troubled: eh? |
| 09:34.56 | troubled | jonssen: wow, we better get the devs to help us with that one... |
| 09:35.16 | jonssen | troubled: just to use ssh? |
| 09:35.18 | cydork | jonssen, i got that. so why are you lookin for that file? |
| 09:35.20 | troubled | jonssen: first, ssh client or server? |
| 09:35.54 | jonssen | client. i am experimenting with going thro' firewall. |
| 09:35.58 | peterS | jonssen: ~/.ssh/config will not exist until you create it. it is not needed unless you want to change some default options. |
| 09:36.13 | peterS | jonssen: if you are root, you can edit /etc/ssh/ssh_config instead, if you want. that will affect all users. |
| 09:36.37 | ootput | jonssen: man ssh_config, for starters |
| 09:36.45 | ootput | jonssen: the syntax is pretty simple |
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| 09:37.19 | troubled | jonssen: what specific problem are you having? I assume you can ssh to a ssh server and use the client normally yes? |
| 09:38.19 | jonssen | troubled: i am a newbie to ssh. have not used it in anyway before. now i am trying to use it to go thro' a firewall to access http server. |
| 09:38.55 | ootput | tunneling? |
| 09:39.04 | troubled | jonssen: a firewall? your port 22 is being blocked? who runs the firewall and would they be mad if you got around something they did for a reason? |
| 09:39.10 | jonssen | i will start using it as non-root first. so, i have to create the config file first? |
| 09:40.02 | jonssen | troubled: my own firewall. experimenting. |
| 09:40.06 | jonssen | a good way to try out ssh. |
| 09:40.43 | litb | how can i install the msttf core fonts ? i ggl'ed but found nothing regarding etch |
| 09:41.01 | troubled | jonssen: and your thinking that you can just use ssh to connect to a web server? |
| 09:41.40 | ootput | jonssen: again, are you trying to tunnel http traffic? |
| 09:41.46 | jonssen | i have come across an article on the web. trying to follow the step. |
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| 09:41.58 | liable | litb: msttcorefonts (in non-free) |
| 09:42.08 | jonssen | ootput: tunneling would be the right term, i believe. |
| 09:42.08 | MatBoy | Niels, Nederlanders worden verbannen hier :p |
| 09:42.10 | troubled | jonssen: ssh can do port forwarding in a way such that you can have a ssh running on another box that accepts connections to a port and forwards them to the http server for security, but you would need ssh setup on the other end first |
| 09:42.27 | ootput | jonssen: please check out http://sebsauvage.net/punching/ (particularly the diagrams) |
| 09:42.38 | MatBoy | niels_, ^^ |
| 09:42.40 | jonssen | thks |
| 09:42.46 | ootput | jonssen: be sure to understand the routes |
| 09:42.59 | litb | liable, isn't found |
| 09:43.18 | liable | litb: you need non-free in your sources list |
| 09:43.19 | litb | i have deb http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/debian/ etch main non |
| 09:43.20 | litb | -free |
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| 09:43.37 | litb | what is wrong? |
| 09:43.56 | jonssen | i have this article: Breaking Firewalls with Openssh and Putty. fr the web. |
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| 09:44.26 | litb | or isn't it in testing? |
| 09:44.34 | troubled | jonssen: do you have 2 different boxes both running ssh? |
| 09:44.34 | liable | litb: my bad spelling.. msttcorefonts |
| 09:44.35 | ootput | if it can be done with Putty, it can be done at the command line |
| 09:44.58 | liable | !info msttcorefonts etch |
| 09:44.59 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2 (etch), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
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| 09:45.02 | peterS | liable: dude that's _not_ in non-free. it's in contrib. |
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| 09:45.13 | liable | peterS: _ok_ |
| 09:45.28 | litb | liable, they were the same... |
| 09:45.46 | peterS | when doing user support, rmadison is your friend. it's a quick way to look this type of stuff up so you can verify that you're giving good information. |
| 09:45.50 | Whipplash | Got a problem, Why can't i send email from postfix -> hotmail.com ?? |
| 09:45.54 | peterS | (rmadison is in the 'devscripts' package) |
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| 09:46.04 | hC|xen | hi |
| 09:46.11 | troubled | Whipplash: dial up list |
| 09:46.13 | sep | Whipplash, read the error message/bounce mail |
| 09:46.16 | liable | litb: heh, yeah, i noticed, i spelled it wrong when i searched in my term, then thought i must have done the same here :P |
| 09:46.32 | hC|xen | which enterprise do you know offering root-server at low prises? and good services |
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| 09:46.39 | peterS | litb: bottom line, instead of 'non-free' you want 'contrib' on that sources.list line |
| 09:46.48 | troubled | Whiplash: you ip is on dial up list/blacklist |
| 09:46.59 | PerfDave | hC|xen: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ and http://www.bytemark.co.uk/ are the canonical UK-based ones |
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| 09:47.03 | sep | peterS, instead of? dosn't contrib depend on non-free ? |
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| 09:47.10 | peterS | sep: not in this case |
| 09:47.17 | troubled | Whiplash: hotmail and most big isp's will never accept mail from you as long as you live, get over it or use your isp's email |
| 09:47.23 | peterS | sep: this case is 'msttcorefonts' and it doesn't use anything in non-free |
| 09:47.28 | Whiplash | troubled: no not blacklisted |
| 09:47.31 | ph00 | {join #freenet-refs |
| 09:47.35 | troubled | Whiplash: or pay for a commercial modem like i do |
| 09:47.47 | ph00 | OOPS |
| 09:47.49 | hC|xen | thx PerfDave |
| 09:47.50 | ph00 | sorry |
| 09:47.58 | sep | ack |
| 09:48.35 | ootput | gkrellm doesn't honor XF86Config's fontpath, nor manual xset +fp's of local font dirs? |
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| 09:48.55 | troubled | Whiplash: all isp's in probably most of america submit lists of IP's that are considered "dial up", even if cable/dsl. Lots of isp's subscribe to get these lists and use them for blocking. Basically every IP in the list should be considered home use and NOT allowed to send smtp mail |
| 09:49.20 | sphenxes | I have files with very long names (more than 200 char.). When I try to backup such files to a DVD using (K3B) i get an error message: the file name is to long. I tar the files and it works, but is there anything that I can change in K3B to accept very long file names (e.g other file format)? any suggestion please |
| 09:49.30 | Whiplash | troubled: hm, if i send an emain from exchange_server it works.. it has to be something in the postfix header ? |
| 09:49.34 | hC|xen | something also good in the center of europe? switzerland, germay, austria...? |
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| 09:50.26 | troubled | sphenxes: not if you want them to be available to read under other os's. but if you only want linux access, make a loopback file, burn that to cd and just mount it loopback when you want it |
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| 09:51.12 | sphenxes | troubled, thanks |
| 09:51.16 | troubled | Whiplash: ok then, so you say that your IP has permission to send emails then for sure? If so, ya I would check the headers. Make sure your helo matches your ip/rev dns and so on |
| 09:51.59 | troubled | Whiplash: servers like hotmail probably do more thorough checks than other isp's. That or that just feel like giving non Microsoft MTA's a hard time ;) |
| 09:52.02 | troubled | sphenxes: np |
| 09:52.07 | ootput | sphenxes: i just gotta ask, why the 200+ chars? :) |
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| 09:52.32 | troubled | the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.txt :) |
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| 09:53.08 | ootput | heh, yeah, i was thinking more 'short stories' |
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| 09:54.08 | troubled | ootput: maybe its some sneaky sort of steganography. Hiding the data in the file names instead of the files! nobody would suspect a thing! muhaha |
| 09:54.17 | ootput | hah |
| 09:54.29 | liable | hehe |
| 09:54.53 | Whiplash | troubled: The header is okey.. |
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| 09:55.03 | troubled | mypassword for hotmail is wootwootpass.txt ;) |
| 09:55.20 | troubled | Whiplash: well, like they asked earlier, whats the bounce or error msg? |
| 09:55.47 | troubled | Whiplash: i mean you can tell me you think your headers are fine, but that doesnt really mean your right |
| 09:55.51 | sphenxes | ootput, it is a homepage name |
| 09:55.56 | ootput | or perhaps he indexes his files by tokens |
| 09:56.06 | ootput | i'm intrigued |
| 09:56.30 | troubled | we sure know how to give people a hard time heh |
| 09:56.40 | troubled | i am intriged too |
| 09:56.45 | liable | !qotd199 |
| 09:56.45 | dpkg | [qotd199] Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 09:56.52 | liable | :) |
| 09:56.56 | troubled | lol, smooth |
| 09:56.57 | cydork | hehehh |
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| 09:57.15 | Whiplash | troubled, nothing not an error nothing.... when i trying to "telnet mx4.hotmail.com 25" and sending a messeage from telenet to en hotmail email is only says the message a queued for delivery. |
| 09:57.47 | troubled | Whiplash: and does it deliver? |
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| 09:58.31 | troubled | Whiplash: my advice is to install a packet sniffer then and watch the conversation |
| 09:58.32 | JarJarBinks | Where do I find debian testing i386 DVD torrent files, when http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-dvd/ gives 404 not found |
| 09:58.47 | Whiplash | troubled, and the whered thing is that i have tryed to send emails from 2 different postfix with different ip's and different domains |
| 09:59.58 | troubled | Whiplash: well, we get the picture, you cant get your mta to send mail to hotmail. What about to other email addresses? Also, paste us some logs and configs or we cant do much other than nod our head and agree |
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| 10:02.28 | troubled | liable: So, in the spirit of qotd199, would it be correct for me to say that, I support Whiplashs' problems, but I just cant help him with them? |
| 10:02.30 | ootput | JarJarBinks: i've used jigdo in the past to retrieve etch dvds |
| 10:03.55 | liable | troubled: i would say yes, but thats not PC here anymore :) |
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| 10:04.09 | troubled | pc? |
| 10:04.11 | JarJarBinks | ootput: It was mostly because I wanted to ``donate some bandwidth'' to the bittorrent distributions, because I think they are quite slow normally |
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| 10:04.45 | ootput | JarJarBinks: yeah, it's just not as popular |
| 10:04.51 | troubled | JarJarBinks: im sure the whole world on bit torrent is just dying to download etch... |
| 10:05.14 | JarJarBinks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:05.38 | PerfDave | jigit / jigdo tend to be faster than BitTorrent for downloading DVD isos |
| 10:06.05 | troubled | damn, its too bad, I just found a url for his dvd on a oc3 too |
| 10:06.10 | JarJarBinks | perhaps the whole debian world is dying to have fast bittorrent downloads too |
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| 10:06.28 | JarJarBinks | at least it's a nice way to contribute to the comunity I think |
| 10:06.35 | liable | indeed |
| 10:06.52 | PerfDave | jigdo is also more efficient :) |
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| 10:06.59 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 10:07.00 | troubled | PerfDave: i agree there |
| 10:07.04 | RichiH | gah |
| 10:07.10 | troubled | RichiH: ?! |
| 10:07.21 | ootput | additionally, jigdo is clever enough to just download the bits that have changed (in an unstable source,) rather than the whole lot all over again |
| 10:07.23 | RichiH | troubled: i am having fun with the new update system |
| 10:07.29 | RichiH | Get:594 2006-08-27-1255.45.pdiff [8767B] |
| 10:07.38 | JarJarBinks | I'll see I can get jigdo to work on my FreeBSD |
| 10:07.49 | RichiH | when will there be daily diffs? |
| 10:07.57 | troubled | RichiH: ya, i seen those. what are they about anyways? diff since last version instead of whole file or something? |
| 10:07.59 | liable | RichiH: you can disable pdiff particularly if you dont upgrade often |
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| 10:08.14 | RichiH | troubled: yes, incremental |
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| 10:08.29 | troubled | RichiH: makes sense. Im sure the bandwidth savings alone justify it |
| 10:08.29 | RichiH | liable: point is, there should be daily diffs |
| 10:08.40 | liable | RichiH: shrug |
| 10:08.41 | RichiH | liable: it could then only grab those |
| 10:08.49 | troubled | RichiH: what, they per update diff's?! |
| 10:08.54 | VivekVC | Can some one guide me to a good documentation on the /sys file system in Debian. |
| 10:09.08 | RichiH | troubled: yes, no doubt about that. regular creation of larger diffs would save even more, though |
| 10:09.08 | liable | RichiH: you could also just get the whole file if you dont update often |
| 10:09.27 | RichiH | liable: nah, i think the diffs are a Good Thing |
| 10:09.33 | liable | its not like its 3M or anything |
| 10:09.35 | RichiH | just not thought to the end |
| 10:09.42 | VivekVC | I could only find this link http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO-6.html#sys_dir |
| 10:09.59 | troubled | RichiH: im sure its probably done that way for technical reasons |
| 10:10.08 | VivekVC | Any additional help would be most welcome.Thanks in advance. |
| 10:10.17 | troubled | RichiH: i think if you did daily, you would miss updates |
| 10:10.22 | troubled | RichiH: make sense no? |
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| 10:10.59 | troubled | RichiH: at least with the current diff you make it IMPOSSIBLE to miss a new file |
| 10:11.23 | troubled | RichiH: if you ask me, they thought about it just fine ;) |
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| 10:11.42 | rvalles | hi hi |
| 10:11.52 | troubled | hey |
| 10:12.01 | dimbit | what is kaccess and why is it running??? |
| 10:12.06 | troubled | rvalles: do you have a question for us? |
| 10:12.09 | rvalles | I installed the "locales" package |
| 10:12.16 | rvalles | ok, it's now installed |
| 10:12.25 | rvalles | the point being... how do I select the system wide locales setting? |
| 10:12.55 | troubled | if i actually cared about locales I might have been able to answer that, sorry |
| 10:12.55 | Fox | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 10:13.16 | troubled | Fox: I should have trusted my gut on that one :) |
| 10:13.20 | rvalles | Fox: amazing |
| 10:13.31 | rvalles | why didn't I get asked when I installed the package? |
| 10:13.56 | troubled | rvalles: are you sure you didnt? i seem to recall my installs asking me and then generating them when done |
| 10:14.01 | RichiH | troubled: what i mean is that yesterday could be compressed into a single diff |
| 10:14.27 | troubled | RichiH: but then you have a race condition |
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| 10:15.04 | troubled | RichiH: well, i guess not so long as you leave the old diffs in place for clients in the middle of downloading them and they dont see the daily one from yesterday |
| 10:15.08 | JarJarBinks | or you need to store a lot of different diffs |
| 10:15.13 | rvalles | troubled: 100% sure, since I've done it just 10 minutes ago or so |
| 10:15.14 | troubled | RichiH: just seems like more work |
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| 10:15.46 | RichiH | troubled: one hour or day grace period to activate the daily diffs as download. |
| 10:15.53 | troubled | rvalles: wish I knew. maybe to do with the question priority level for configs |
| 10:16.10 | RichiH | troubled: minimally more so, yes |
| 10:16.28 | troubled | RichiH: who knows, maybe they do merge diff's periodically, or plan to. Submit a bug report and ask em |
| 10:16.38 | davis | is it possible to configure sudo to perform a particular action witout giving a passwd? |
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| 10:16.53 | troubled | davis: ya, keys |
| 10:17.05 | kintaro0e | hi guys.i need help..i tried installing the vstfpd and i there an option that i my anonymous users can edit the name of the filename but can't delete the file's? |
| 10:17.10 | davis | troubled: ok thanks |
| 10:17.23 | PerfDave | davis: Yes, look at NOPASSWD in /etc/sudoers |
| 10:17.26 | troubled | davis: you can have a key run a command and exist. just dont password the key |
| 10:17.35 | troubled | s/exist/exit/ |
| 10:17.44 | PerfDave | troubled: You're thinking of ssh, not sudo, aren't you? |
| 10:17.45 | b_52Centos | some one have seen something like that before ? :) http://rafb.net/paste/results/BLAa0r89.html |
| 10:17.56 | troubled | PerfDave: ya, wasnt that what he said? |
| 10:18.12 | PerfDave | 10:22:52 < davis> is it possible to configure sudo to perform a particular action witout giving a passwd? |
| 10:18.12 | troubled | ahh sorry lol |
| 10:18.26 | troubled | PerfDave: lil dislexic this mornin |
| 10:18.40 | troubled | well you know what i mean |
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| 10:19.03 | RichiH | troubled: yah, that is what i am planning to find out and do :) |
| 10:19.06 | troubled | PerfDave: i think he was asking about ssh earlier thats why |
| 10:19.18 | troubled | RichiH: leave me a memo and let me know! :) |
| 10:20.08 | PerfDave | Whoo, wifi in the kitchen, I can cook scrambled eggs and IRC at the same time! |
| 10:20.43 | troubled | PerfDave: thats just wrong |
| 10:21.02 | RichiH | troubled: along with the TPS report? |
| 10:21.14 | troubled | PerfDave: whats next, hook irc up to a robotic arm and let us cook your eggs for ya? |
| 10:21.21 | troubled | RichiH: *slap* :) |
| 10:21.49 | PerfDave | troubled: Unfortunately, my egg-cooking machine is out of action at the moment, she's lying down on the sofa. |
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| 10:21.58 | troubled | ha! |
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| 10:22.18 | troubled | PerfDave: better hope she doesnt look over your irc logs :p |
| 10:22.38 | b_52Centos | is normal when i type "lpr" there is graphic card related message !!!! http://rafb.net/paste/results/gS2g1G15.html |
| 10:22.48 | troubled | b_52Centos: heh no |
| 10:23.08 | b_52Centos | troubled, :) |
| 10:23.14 | jaaroo_ | hello there, could I use apt-build to make some package with non-standard CFLAGS? If yes how that could be done? I woudl expect something like CFLAGS=".." apt-build pkg, but I'm not very sure about that. |
| 10:23.19 | PerfDave | troubled: Nah, she knows her place ;) |
| 10:23.28 | rvalles | hm, set up locales, rebooted... and after login as root, "locale" still returns unset/POSIX |
| 10:23.43 | rvalles | how should I fix that? |
| 10:23.55 | troubled | PerfDave: ;) |
| 10:24.17 | troubled | b_52Centos: what lpr you got running? |
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| 10:24.54 | b_52Centos | troubled, HP officejet 55 but the cable printer is not connected !!!!!!! |
| 10:24.55 | troubled | b_52Centos: btw, im interested in your agpgart and drm modules from dmesg. Ive been through hell trying to get mine running for X acceleration in 3d |
| 10:25.14 | b_52Centos | ok i past my dmesg |
| 10:26.14 | troubled | b_52Centos: no, i meant, when you type lpr, you said that you got a graphics messg. you mean on screen or in your logs one showed up? |
| 10:26.30 | troubled | b_52Centos: ie: lpr isnt the line printer command? |
| 10:26.53 | b_52Centos | troubled, lpr isnt the line printer command? yeah it's , but i got in the logs the messages |
| 10:27.25 | troubled | b_52Centos: ya lpr is what you want to print something. lpc for control iirc |
| 10:28.08 | troubled | b_52Centos: are you sure thats just not the modules for everything loading normally on startup? |
| 10:28.40 | b_52Centos | troubled, i didn't touch my default install |
| 10:28.50 | troubled | sigh |
| 10:28.58 | troubled | b_52Centos: forget I said anything |
| 10:29.14 | b_52Centos | euhh ? |
| 10:29.20 | troubled | b_52Centos: are you even running debian btw? :p |
| 10:29.36 | b_52Centos | troubled, lol , from what i see , yeah |
| 10:29.38 | b_52Centos | :d |
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| 10:30.04 | troubled | beer goggles aparently |
| 10:30.14 | b_52Centos | i ask him |
| 10:30.22 | b_52Centos | he reply go play somewhere else :d |
| 10:30.32 | b_52Centos | the dmesg :d http://rafb.net/paste/results/jNpZEb99.html |
| 10:30.37 | troubled | ask who what now? |
| 10:30.49 | b_52Centos | troubled, ? |
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| 10:31.39 | dionisos | can anyone help me find the cheapest dual xeon 5130 (1333MHz) motherboard? |
| 10:33.01 | troubled | b_52Centos: ahh, errors there. not sure what causing that. try google and double check your kernel settings perhaps. new one to me |
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| 10:33.28 | troubled | dionisos: !! |
| 10:33.37 | NattyDread | Is there anyone here with an nVidia card running testing/etch? |
| 10:33.44 | troubled | dionisos: only if your gonna promise to run debian on it heh |
| 10:33.44 | b_52Centos | troubled, hm ok |
| 10:34.19 | dionisos | ok |
| 10:34.33 | troubled | b_52Centos: if anything, try change some bios settings just in case your par port is conflicting with something |
| 10:35.10 | b_52Centos | troubled, ok :d |
| 10:35.11 | usn_work | good morning :-O |
| 10:35.17 | b_52Centos | troubled, thanks |
| 10:35.24 | jaaroo | how can I build package from source with some "hand-crafted" CFLAGS, please? |
| 10:35.27 | troubled | b_52Centos: np, gl |
| 10:35.36 | troubled | usn_work: morn'in |
| 10:36.04 | troubled | jaaroo: CFLAGS=foobar make .....? |
| 10:36.45 | troubled | jaaroo: short of editing the makefile. but dont quote me on that, you might have to pass it as arg to make instead of as env var |
| 10:37.53 | jaaroo | troubled: I know that but I'm not quite sure how to apply it on source packages. I fetch source && run make && then I should repackage resulting binaries into package? |
| 10:38.46 | troubled | jaaroo: put it in a makefile perhaps be better for ya? |
| 10:38.51 | jaaroo | troubled: I wanted to use apt-build to make binary package, but I don't know how CFLAGS could be passed to it. |
| 10:39.35 | NattyDread | Is there anyone here with an nVidia card running testing/etch? |
| 10:39.35 | jaaroo | troubled: some packages don't even have makefile (automake package like sqlite3 is the case ;)) |
| 10:39.38 | troubled | jaaroo: i would still say put it in the Makefile of the source package |
| 10:40.18 | troubled | jaaroo: well, ask to ask a packager here then, I dont package enough to know what part of rules file you would put that in |
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| 10:41.22 | PerfDave | Is the fine packaging documentation on the Debian website not of help? |
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| 10:41.55 | jaaroo | troubled: and what if source package is shared for a set of packages. How can I choose single package to be built? I know I ask many beginners questions so if you know good howto to start with you can point me there. |
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| 10:42.41 | troubled | jaaroo: i wouldnt call it a beginner question. Its rather advanced, but if your package uses automake, i promise it has a makefile |
| 10:43.00 | troubled | jaaroo: anyone that has used automake knows thats what its for lol |
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| 10:43.21 | troubled | jaaroo: try read the new debian maintainers guide, google for it |
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| 10:43.53 | anapivirtua | Muh all |
| 10:44.02 | troubled | howdy |
| 10:44.15 | jaaroo | troubled: not yet ;) It was not yet configured. Yes I can try to make the package using "the saint combination" configure && make && make install but I don't know (and would like to konow) if there is any more comfortable (and more standardized) way how packages should be rebuilt. |
| 10:45.09 | berzerka | hello debian. i want gdm to spawn only once on system startup. how can i configure this in debian? would i have to edit /etc/init.d/gdm and give additional parameters to start_daemon? or invoke something else instead? |
| 10:45.27 | troubled | jaaroo: looks like standard automake setup to me. again, Makefile is what your after. that or pass it to make when you run it. pretty sure thats how it goes :) |
| 10:46.43 | Guerin | so can someone explain why the fuck dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg no longergives the opportunity to select video modes? |
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| 10:47.37 | PerfDave | Guerin: -plow? |
| 10:47.37 | Guerin | and further, how, apart from editing the file directly, one is supposed to change video modes? |
| 10:47.46 | Guerin | PerfDave: nope. |
| 10:47.46 | troubled | Guerin: personally i kinda like it auto detecting on my box :) |
| 10:47.59 | Guerin | troubled: that's nice. I presume it *works* for you. |
| 10:48.09 | troubled | Guerin: lol ya, nicely for a change |
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| 10:48.22 | Guerin | well, i've never had a moment's grief until now |
| 10:48.40 | Guerin | and in fairness I am using a crappy 14" HP monitor of uncertain age |
| 10:48.47 | troubled | Guerin: i take it with xorg they dont have that crappy xf86config program anymore? |
| 10:49.03 | Guerin | i don't want an autodetector |
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| 10:49.12 | Guerin | I want to be able to tell the fucking thing what modes to use |
| 10:49.38 | troubled | no, it used to ask you step by step back in the day |
| 10:49.48 | liable | Guerin: i take it this is not a debconf problem? |
| 10:49.58 | Guerin | liable: it seems like it *is* a debconf problem |
| 10:49.59 | troubled | Guerin: just edit the xorg.conf file? |
| 10:50.07 | Guerin | !xmd5 |
| 10:50.08 | dpkg | [x md5sum] If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are running <Xor |
| 10:50.13 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:50.17 | Guerin | !xorgmd5 |
| 10:50.17 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 10:50.54 | liable | and you have set debconf to high? |
| 10:51.20 | Guerin | liable: low |
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| 10:54.18 | troubled | remind me again why they switched to xorg from x? license? |
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| 10:54.34 | Relisxc | I hate xorg |
| 10:54.40 | Relisxc | I lub xfree86 |
| 10:54.50 | troubled | i hate debian packages more :) |
| 10:55.07 | troubled | i swear some days its just too complex to manage |
| 10:55.08 | Relisxc | xfree has my drivers |
| 10:55.17 | Relisxc | xorg i havta dl them |
| 10:55.33 | troubled | Relisxc: whats stopping you from using xfree? |
| 10:55.43 | Relisxc | nothing :) |
| 10:55.49 | troubled | :) thans shuddap! |
| 10:55.54 | Guerin | troubled: xorg is x |
| 10:56.18 | Relisxc | I was just about to point that out |
| 10:56.25 | troubled | Guerin: why did xfree and xorg fork? |
| 10:56.31 | Relisxc | Because. |
| 10:56.45 | Relisxc | xorg is more maintained |
| 10:57.03 | Relisxc | So bliggity blue |
| 10:57.26 | troubled | ... |
| 10:57.27 | Guerin | troubled: license. |
| 10:57.33 | Guerin | Relisxc: be less drunk. |
| 10:57.41 | Relisxc | I havent slept in 2 days |
| 10:57.45 | Relisxc | so BLAH |
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| 10:58.17 | Relisxc | And now im on the xchat an mozilla |
| 10:58.30 | Relisxc | not looking at porn |
| 10:58.34 | Relisxc | >.> |
| 10:59.03 | troubled | Relisxc: you watch porn while you talk to us? dude... |
| 10:59.15 | Relisxc | I can feel your judgemental eyes. |
| 10:59.18 | Guerin | what's more |
| 10:59.20 | Relisxc | They feel good. |
| 10:59.22 | Guerin | you think we CARE |
| 10:59.31 | Relisxc | <3 |
| 10:59.52 | Relisxc | Guerins mad because he cant find good porn |
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| 11:00.15 | troubled | Relisxc: that or he doesnt need it cause it got a girl friend... |
| 11:00.23 | yu | is it possible to check then date and time of all logins of a certain user if you have admin rights in debian? |
| 11:00.24 | troubled | s/it/he/ hehe, sorry Guerin |
| 11:00.27 | Guerin | wtf |
| 11:00.32 | Relisxc | Or he cant get off because he has a goat fetish |
| 11:00.45 | troubled | yu: last or something like that |
| 11:00.58 | Guerin | yu: if you have root, anything is possible |
| 11:01.14 | Relisxc | even 'lynx tehpron.org' |
| 11:01.14 | JarJarBinks | yu lastlog |
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| 11:01.27 | Guerin | yu: zgrep username /var/log/auth*.log |
| 11:01.35 | dionisos | what is 'Memory Bandwidth Benchmark'? |
| 11:01.40 | Relisxc | MBB |
| 11:01.42 | OllieD | investigating |
| 11:01.42 | Guerin | dionisos: a waste of time |
| 11:01.50 | JarJarBinks | yu lastlog is appearently only the ``last'' one :) |
| 11:01.55 | dionisos | why? |
| 11:02.08 | Guerin | dionisos: if you don't know what it is/does, you don't need it |
| 11:02.39 | Relisxc | Im making Guerins quote an abbreviation |
| 11:02.47 | dionisos | Guerin do you know how a car works? you dont, but you need it! |
| 11:02.55 | Relisxc | IYDKWII/D, YDNI! |
| 11:02.58 | dionisos | your arguement sucks |
| 11:03.00 | Guerin | dionisos: i do know how a car works, in general temrs. |
| 11:03.03 | Guerin | and terms |
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| 11:03.36 | Guerin | dionisos: but a memory bandwidth benchmark isn't actually *useful* for anything much, whereas a car is, so your analogy is weak |
| 11:03.39 | Relisxc | Guerin: You don't know how your brain goo drips, but you need your brain |
| 11:03.49 | dionisos | are you still trying to say you know everything you need? |
| 11:04.00 | Relisxc | You need a life |
| 11:04.02 | Relisxc | ZING |
| 11:04.13 | Relisxc | sorry =[ |
| 11:04.43 | Guerin | dionisos: i never tried to say that, it's just that the title of the thing SAYS what it is, and if that's not enough to give you a clue as to what it's about, you're not a person who'd find any use in it. |
| 11:05.11 | Guerin | but hell, search google if you want |
| 11:05.12 | troubled | dpkg! |
| 11:05.19 | PerfDave | Noooooooooooo! |
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| 11:05.27 | troubled | whew |
| 11:05.34 | Guerin | just don't bother asking #debian, because we don't care |
| 11:05.37 | dionisos | my institute banned google as porn |
| 11:05.37 | troubled | dpkg wb |
| 11:05.37 | dpkg | thanks, troubled. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:05.47 | troubled | dpkg: where did you go? |
| 11:06.09 | troubled | dpkg: answer me! |
| 11:06.21 | cydork | !say i had to take a leak! |
| 11:06.21 | dpkg | i had to take a leak! |
| 11:06.27 | troubled | :p |
| 11:06.39 | Relisxc | Guerin: I find your argument in acceptance to mine, I concur with you in many ways but find myself looking back into the core of your point, using my observations on what you have said recently. I think we should talk more about this issue as time goes on, but I believe that you see where I'm going with this whole ordeal. In one hand we have the general laws of uranium, in the other we have a point that needs to be spread across; you kn |
| 11:06.43 | Guerin | fucking hell, is it still sunday in the Tard Continent |
| 11:06.52 | Guerin | Relisxc: i can paste too |
| 11:07.00 | Guerin | Relisxc: i just choose not to |
| 11:07.00 | Relisxc | I actually typed that out |
| 11:07.03 | Relisxc | >< |
| 11:07.05 | Guerin | more fool you |
| 11:07.08 | troubled | Guerin: heh |
| 11:07.08 | Relisxc | lol |
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| 11:07.30 | b_52Centos | hoz to re;ove all the lpr stuff |
| 11:07.35 | b_52Centos | related and so ... |
| 11:07.41 | troubled | Guerin: makes you wish we had distributed irc ignore lists amonst friends :) |
| 11:07.46 | Guerin | that's what they say: north America is the InContinent |
| 11:07.48 | Relisxc | Im soo bored, My friends that im bikin with today are still probably gonna be asleep for a good 6 hours |
| 11:07.59 | runixd | hello, while trying to install debian sarge/testing with 2.6 kernel it can't detect cd drive ??? I tried a few drives as well, some of which are really old |
| 11:08.00 | Relisxc | Someone please give me something to occupy my time.. |
| 11:08.07 | troubled | b_52Centos: get it goin? |
| 11:08.20 | runixd | 2.4 works for some reason |
| 11:08.31 | runixd | Mb: Intel 915 |
| 11:08.37 | b_52Centos | troubled, nop .- , do you know how to remove all the lpr related stuff ? |
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| 11:08.48 | troubled | b_52Centos: add --purge |
| 11:08.57 | b_52Centos | hm ok |
| 11:09.04 | Guerin | b_52Centos: dpkg -l |awk '/lpr/ {print $2}'|xargs aptitude purge |
| 11:09.14 | troubled | Guerin: smart ass |
| 11:09.20 | troubled | quick one though |
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| 11:10.11 | rem__ | .. |
| 11:10.24 | Zapelius | what is the best way for installing a minimal X11 on etch? I only need X11, nothing more. |
| 11:10.29 | jfletcher[mac] | :> |
| 11:10.39 | Zapelius | The default depencities require 72,6M stuff... :( |
| 11:10.52 | Relisxc | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 11:11.03 | troubled | Guerin: dpkg -S `which lpr` | cut -d":" -f1 | xargs apt-get remove --purge? |
| 11:11.09 | PerfDave | !install x |
| 11:11.09 | dpkg | [install xf4] apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 11:11.11 | Guerin | Zapelius: x-w-s-c seems to be the easiest way |
| 11:11.16 | troubled | Guerin: soory I took so long lol |
| 11:11.17 | Zapelius | thats 98,8M :) |
| 11:11.21 | Guerin | troubled: there's a hard way to do anything |
| 11:11.34 | troubled | Guerin: like awk is any better! lol |
| 11:11.45 | Guerin | well, it's certainly less keystrokes |
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| 11:12.07 | Zapelius | I have currently everything running with 237M installed size, and would like to keep that way below 300M :/ |
| 11:12.09 | PerfDave | "fewer" keystrokes :p |
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| 11:12.29 | Guerin | Zapelius: a full system with X under 300MB is bloody hard |
| 11:12.38 | troubled | i could use aptitude as well and save a few if I knew its syntax for sure heh |
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| 11:12.55 | Guerin | PerfDave: nuked lots of doc and stuff? |
| 11:12.59 | Zapelius | mmm.... |
| 11:13.02 | PerfDave | Guerin: No, just didn't install things. |
| 11:13.07 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 11:13.26 | b_52Centos | Guerin, Il est nécessaire de télécharger 0o d'archives. Après dépaquetage, 397ko seront libérés. |
| 11:13.26 | b_52Centos | Voulez-vous continuer ? [Y/n/?] y |
| 11:13.26 | b_52Centos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.26 | Guerin | why the freak about small size? |
| 11:13.29 | Guerin | disk is cheap |
| 11:13.29 | b_52Centos | is it normal |
| 11:13.44 | Guerin | b_52Centos: maybe |
| 11:13.46 | b_52Centos | :d |
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| 11:14.24 | Zapelius | I have some space left on the 512M flash, but that is reserved for logging. |
| 11:14.45 | rtyler | apt-get update seems to have completely broken my ability to compile and link things >_< |
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| 11:15.02 | rtyler | /usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a(elf-init.oS)(.text.__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx+0x0): In function `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx': |
| 11:15.06 | rtyler | : multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx' |
| 11:15.09 | rtyler | .libs/asset_main.o(.gnu.linkonce.t.__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx+0x0):/home/tyler/ansa/linux/ansa-1.0/src/asset/asset_main.cpp:27: first defined here |
| 11:15.12 | rtyler | collect2 |
| 11:15.13 | Zapelius | Guerin, That's an embedded device that uses an X11 based GUI |
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| 11:15.21 | Guerin | Zapelius: oh, fun. |
| 11:15.28 | Zapelius | yep :) |
| 11:15.32 | Guerin | Zapelius: you probably want to use something dsl instead |
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| 11:15.58 | b_52Centos | Aug 28 11:14:29 localhost kernel: DMA write timed out |
| 11:15.58 | b_52Centos | Aug 28 11:14:36 localhost kernel: parport0: BUSY timeout (-4) in compat_write_block_pio |
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| 11:16.04 | b_52Centos | still juste 2 message |
| 11:16.04 | b_52Centos | :d |
| 11:16.09 | b_52Centos | after removing the lpr |
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| 11:17.29 | Zapelius | I think so too. Actually LFS is the way to go, but currently debian was the best choise for developing |
| 11:17.48 | Guerin | lfs is more work than dsl for not much benefit in a case like this |
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| 11:17.56 | litb | hi! |
| 11:18.16 | litb | why is the kernel compiled with another version than the compiler installed on the system |
| 11:18.17 | Guerin | the dsl/debian dev process is transparent, which is nice |
| 11:18.20 | litb | ? |
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| 11:18.36 | cydork | Zapelius, lfs is ok if you wnat to just learn about it, but it's difficult to maintain it |
| 11:18.37 | litb | i'm trying to install vmware server, but it complains about that |
| 11:18.39 | Guerin | litb: because it's presumed you'll install the correct compiler if you need to build kernel modules |
| 11:18.43 | nvz | litb: care to explain that? |
| 11:19.13 | Guerin | litb: in other words, it's presumed if you think you're smart enough to fuck with kernel stuff, you're smart enough to install a compiler |
| 11:19.23 | litb | lol |
| 11:19.29 | Zapelius | For a 'light' version I need to go below 32M. I know the maintaining problem with LFS, that's why I use debian currently. |
| 11:19.35 | nvz | I for one never had that problem. But like Guerin says I know better |
| 11:20.13 | Guerin | man, this is the worst monitor evar |
| 11:20.46 | nvz | Guerin: is it having a seizure on you? |
| 11:20.53 | Guerin | it doesn't have any controls other than brightness and contrast |
| 11:21.08 | Guerin | no, it appears to be working normally, that's what makes it so shit |
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| 11:22.13 | nvz | well this HP M50 I got on here has OSD with full controls, but even though I got the dial cranked all the way up on the flyback transformer, and the digital controls at 100% the thing is still very dim |
| 11:22.50 | nvz | works better on debian than it did on the HP pavillion with win98 I pulled it off of though |
| 11:22.58 | nvz | it was way too dark on that system |
| 11:23.09 | nvz | its usable now.. but I'd prefer it to be brighter |
| 11:23.31 | nvz | I took it apart only to discover the voltage on the flyback was up all the way already |
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| 11:28.04 | nvz | I get home and it gets all quiet in here |
| 11:28.42 | nvz | and nobody spoke in over an hour on OFTC |
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| 11:32.37 | cr3 | how can I get pam to log more than just "session opened" and "session closed"? |
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| 11:35.05 | b_52Centos | apt-get remove --purge lpr rocks :) |
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| 11:37.21 | yu | how can I check which days I have been using the computer, assuming the computer is always on? |
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| 11:38.16 | Malagmyr | Aug 28 13:36:32 gothserv sshd[523]: Illegal user arch from ::ffff:140.124.13.53 |
| 11:38.16 | Malagmyr | Aug 28 13:36:46 gothserv sshd[536]: Illegal user asp from ::ffff:140.124.13.53 |
| 11:38.16 | Malagmyr | Aug 28 13:36:49 gothserv sshd[539]: Illegal user asplinux from ::ffff:140.124.13.53 |
| 11:38.16 | Malagmyr | Aug 28 13:36:59 gothserv sshd[548]: Illegal user clark from ::ffff:140.124.13.53 |
| 11:38.16 | Malagmyr | Aug 28 13:37:02 gothserv sshd[551]: Illegal user clarkconnect from ::ffff:140.124.13.53 |
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| 11:38.23 | Malagmyr | Aug 28 13:37:05 gothserv sshd[554]: Illegal user connect from ::ffff:140.124.13.53 |
| 11:38.25 | Malagmyr | oops |
| 11:38.42 | Malagmyr | nice log, though, huh? |
| 11:38.49 | Malagmyr | got 100 pages of that |
| 11:39.12 | hjubal | is it correct to stop a daemon killing it with SIGKILL? it seems that "start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pidfile $CHEROKEEPID --exec $CHEROKEE" doesn't stop it |
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| 11:45.25 | nvz | yu: there is no way to tell via some magic log when you are using a pc and when you are not if its always on.. unless you have some sort of routine or always logout when you leave or something that would leave that info |
| 11:46.52 | nvz | yu: I for example leave IRC running in screen so if I log IRC and always talk in here when I am on my computer.. then I know when I was here.. otherwise there is no way to tell |
| 11:47.08 | PerfDave | hjubal: I tend to use "invoke-rc.d $daemon stop" |
| 11:47.37 | nvz | put a sensor on your monitor and write a kernel driver that logs when you sit at the chair :P |
| 11:48.58 | nvz | even easier than that would be to put a pressure switch on a seat cushin and rig it up as a character device :P |
| 11:49.26 | nvz | then you dont need any fancy sonar, radar, infrared...etc and a special driver |
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| 11:52.00 | nvz | well I am stepping out to make a call.. signal sucks in here :P |
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| 11:52.17 | hjubal | PerfDave, I'm trying to write an init.d script.. editing a copy of /etc/init.d/skeleton, but my daemonized app isn't stopped with 'start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pidfile $CHEROKEEPID --exec $CHEROKEE' |
| 11:53.44 | PerfDave | hjubal: What are you trying to write an initscript for? |
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| 11:54.34 | hjubal | PerfDave, for cherokee web server |
| 11:55.02 | PerfDave | hjubal: Is it not packaged already? |
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| 11:55.37 | hjubal | PerfDave, on my notebook I'm running sarge.. cherokee is available for Etch/Sid |
| 11:55.47 | cydork | hjubal, try adding this --retry=TERM/30/KILL/5 |
| 11:56.06 | hjubal | PerfDave, I need a lightweight web server with php support |
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| 11:56.40 | PerfDave | hjubal: Backport it? |
| 11:56.55 | PerfDave | hjubal: Or look for it on backports.org? |
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| 11:57.19 | cydork | hjubal, you can do a simple sid backport too |
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| 11:58.42 | hjubal | PerfDave, cydork yes, I know backports, but I prefered checkinstall it |
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| 11:59.28 | rhsanborn | I have my Debian system on a Windows 2000 AD Domain. I used the same login name for my local Linux account as I do for my domain account. Consequently, my Domain account is constantly locked out. It appears that my Debian box is trying to pass my Linux authentication information to the domain and its sending the local password which isn't the same as my domain password... |
| 11:59.32 | rhsanborn | Any ideas? |
| 11:59.55 | hjubal | cydork, great! '--retry=TERM/30/KILL/5' works! |
| 12:00.09 | hjubal | tnx cydork and PerfDave :) |
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| 12:00.19 | PerfDave | rhsanborn: Undo whatever you did to make your Debian system attempt to authenticate to your Win2K AD server? |
| 12:01.05 | rhsanborn | PerfDave, I didn't try to make it authenticate... |
| 12:01.23 | nvz | 7uyyr['eG<?9$8~}}}}}}}}}}}}}6~BBBBB |
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| 12:01.47 | Vladinosky | hi everyone |
| 12:01.50 | Vladinosky | :) |
| 12:02.00 | jelly-home | nvz: my thoughts exactly |
| 12:02.13 | Vladinosky | can someone try to answer my question ? |
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| 12:02.40 | jelly-home | Vladinosky: yes <-- there you go. |
| 12:02.42 | rhsanborn | Vladinosky, go ahead and ask...then we'll see :P |
| 12:02.48 | Vladinosky | ok thanks |
| 12:03.00 | Vladinosky | well I've tried to install wine |
| 12:03.06 | drkwolf | hjubal: try http://nanoweb.si.kz/ |
| 12:03.09 | Vladinosky | with the packet manager |
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| 12:03.18 | PerfDave | rhsanborn: A Debian box won't try to authenticate to a W2K AD server on the same network unless you tell it to do so. |
| 12:03.40 | Vladinosky | but it refuses to install wine |
| 12:03.45 | jelly-home | Vladinosky: please don't use enter that much, write whole sentences then press enter. |
| 12:04.16 | Vladinosky | oh sorry that make a long time I've not used IRC |
| 12:04.42 | cydork | Vlandinosky, refuses?? then slap it :) |
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| 12:05.54 | Vladinosky | So I've tried to install wine on demudi (it's debian) but when i try to install it the packet manager answer me that some other packets which wine depend of cannot be installed or aren't installed |
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| 12:06.22 | PerfDave | Vladinosky: Demudi is not Debian, it's Demudi. |
| 12:06.24 | PerfDave | !demudi |
| 12:06.24 | dpkg | from memory, demudi is Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 12:06.41 | PerfDave | !based on Debian |
| 12:06.41 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 12:06.48 | Vladinosky | and I don't know if it's really the problem because I've some packets that are asked which are good |
| 12:07.33 | jfletcher[mac] | can you actually get a distro of knoppix that isnt just a live CD? :s |
| 12:07.42 | Vladinosky | Ha ok ! But I thought that it was a debian based distribution |
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| 12:07.56 | jfletcher[mac] | it is. doesnt mean it is debian |
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| 12:08.10 | PerfDave | Vladinosky: It is a debian-based distribution. Debian-based distributions aren't supported on #debian |
| 12:08.14 | jfletcher[mac] | like netBSD isnt freeBSD |
| 12:08.26 | jelly-home | Vladinosky: the problem is that demudi might (and probably) have changed at least some of the packages, so they're not the same as in Debian. |
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| 12:08.42 | PerfDave | Demudi *used* to just be an extra package repository for Debian, with some RTOS-optimised kernel and audio apps, but they decided to branch off as a seperate distro. |
| 12:09.02 | Vladinosky | ok ok thanks all the same, but there's nobody on the #demudi channel who's talking |
| 12:09.32 | cydork | Vladinosky, face the consequences of not using debian :) |
| 12:09.36 | hjubal | drkwolf, tnx.. I'll try it |
| 12:09.40 | Vladinosky | lol |
| 12:09.41 | PerfDave | Vladinosky: That's a shame, but we really can't help you. |
| 12:09.57 | PerfDave | Vladinosky: Maybe you should try a demudi mailing list |
| 12:09.58 | Vladinosky | ok ok I understand no problem |
| 12:10.34 | Vladinosky | well maybe my problem doesn't come from the distribution |
| 12:10.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:10.35 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:10.35 | Vladinosky | but in the concept |
| 12:10.45 | Vladinosky | because I'm a linux beginner |
| 12:10.58 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 12:10.58 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 12:11.13 | cydork | hhehe |
| 12:11.35 | tarzeau | Vladinosky: i can install wine fine on my real debian |
| 12:11.38 | jfletcher[mac] | Vladinosky: it means you need updated versions of some programs for WINE to run |
| 12:11.45 | PerfDave | Vladinosky: Either it's a distribution-specific problem, in which case you need to talk to #demudi (or a mailing list) or it's not, in which case you need to talk to #wine (or a mailing list). |
| 12:11.46 | tarzeau | Vladinosky: so yes, indeed i think it's a problem of your repository |
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| 12:11.59 | PerfDave | Vladinosky: Either way, it's not a problem that #debian can or should help you with. |
| 12:12.20 | Vladinosky | ok |
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| 12:13.27 | Vladinosky | tanks |
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| 12:14.37 | Arc4nuS | hola a todos |
| 12:14.50 | miro | hi can some one help me and tell me how can i see and change my ip |
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| 12:15.11 | Arc4nuS | miro, |
| 12:15.34 | jetscreamer | jfletcher[mac]: #knoppix |
| 12:15.35 | PerfDave | miro: ifconfig will show you how your network interfaces are configured, and let you change things temporarily. /etc/network/interfaces will let you set how things are configured on each boot. |
| 12:15.35 | Arc4nuS | the only way to change your ip is desconnecting and then reconnected |
| 12:15.42 | jetscreamer | jfletcher[mac]: oops |
| 12:15.47 | jetscreamer | jfletcher[mac]: #kanotix |
| 12:15.49 | Arc4nuS | so your ip will change |
| 12:15.56 | jetscreamer | jfletcher[mac]: it rocks |
| 12:16.01 | Arc4nuS | another way is using some proxys |
| 12:16.14 | Arc4nuS | hi jetscreamer, good morning |
| 12:16.16 | jfletcher[mac] | jetscreamer: I've never used it :o |
| 12:16.22 | miro | Arc4nuS :but i want to give a static ip |
| 12:16.26 | jfletcher[mac] | or even seen it for that matter |
| 12:16.26 | jetscreamer | installs in hd also |
| 12:16.32 | PerfDave | Arc4nuS: Please don't give bad advice. How do you know that miro's talking about dynamically-allicated dialup or whatever? |
| 12:16.48 | Danamania | jfletcher[mac]: oh - I didn't remind you after an hour in the end - I went to bed. The moment's probably passed by now, nevertheless here's the link again - http://www.danamania.com/temp/moo.jpg |
| 12:16.57 | Arc4nuS | PerfDave, yea, u have reason |
| 12:16.59 | PerfDave | miro: Please give us more information about what you're trying to achieve.Is this for a lAN or an internet connection or what? |
| 12:17.19 | Arc4nuS | PerfDave, sorry |
| 12:17.32 | miro | in windows there is "ipconfig" ! how can i do it in linux |
| 12:17.34 | miro | ? |
| 12:17.39 | jetscreamer | ifconfig |
| 12:17.43 | Arc4nuS | no ones speak spanish here? |
| 12:17.48 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 12:17.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:17.52 | jetscreamer | no habla |
| 12:17.59 | MindCr | yo Arc4nuS |
| 12:18.07 | PerfDave | miro: I already said, ifconfig. |
| 12:18.11 | Arc4nuS | ohhh ok, sorry about my english, it's patetic |
| 12:18.13 | miro | now how can i set static ip ? |
| 12:18.20 | jetscreamer | mi espanol es caca |
| 12:18.23 | MindCr | but go tu #debian-es |
| 12:18.25 | PerfDave | miro: ifconfig will show you how your network interfaces are configured, and let you change things temporarily. /etc/network/interfaces will let you set how things are configured on each boot. |
| 12:18.30 | jetscreamer | miro: netcardconfig, google it |
| 12:18.36 | Arc4nuS | lol you spek spanish better than me english |
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| 12:18.50 | miro | cd /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:18.59 | miro | thanks |
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| 12:19.57 | jetscreamer | it wants pump and some other package installed |
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| 12:22.12 | Arc4nuS | jetscreamer, where are u from? |
| 12:22.48 | jetscreamer | texas,why |
| 12:22.55 | jetscreamer | earth |
| 12:22.58 | Arc4nuS | woow USA |
| 12:23.00 | Arc4nuS | cool |
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| 12:23.04 | Arc4nuS | lol |
| 12:23.09 | elementz | hi everybody |
| 12:23.14 | Arc4nuS | hi elementz |
| 12:23.52 | Arc4nuS | lol |
| 12:23.54 | elementz | umount /repair/proc on vps server gives me thes |
| 12:23.59 | elementz | *this |
| 12:24.11 | elementz | umount: /repair/proc: device is busy |
| 12:24.25 | jetscreamer | !use your telepathy! |
| 12:24.30 | elementz | same with -f |
| 12:24.38 | elementz | n00b here |
| 12:24.39 | daxxar | use -l? |
| 12:24.46 | daxxar | laaaazy. :p |
| 12:25.03 | elementz | thx whats the l for? |
| 12:25.12 | daxxar | Lazy unmount. |
| 12:25.21 | elementz | which does what? |
| 12:25.28 | elementz | not in my man |
| 12:25.31 | daxxar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.33 | elementz | -page |
| 12:25.35 | daxxar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.43 | elementz | hmm |
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| 12:26.13 | elementz | can i safely reboot after that? just done a migration from suse to debian on remote server |
| 12:26.35 | Arc4nuS | :O nice change |
| 12:26.37 | daxxar | No idea, I'm not familiar with the suse->debian remote migration process. |
| 12:26.37 | daxxar | ;-P |
| 12:26.49 | elementz | hehe |
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| 12:27.20 | elementz | can i check if proc is umounted properly somehow? |
| 12:27.39 | chris_abyi | hi! I 'm searching for DeCss - got the kernel 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp, running an amd64 X2.. where can I get it? |
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| 12:28.21 | PerfDave | chris_abyi: You mean the DVD encryption stuff? See http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ if it's legal for you to install it. |
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| 12:29.05 | jetscreamer | or even if it's not... |
| 12:31.21 | nvz | bah.. I'm having a hell of a time finding some work for my two days off.. and I dont have anything worth pawning.. heh If I dont find some money I am gonna be broke as a joke until the 15th all my money this week has to cover rent :-/ |
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| 12:37.13 | jetscreamer | nvz: pawn bad. |
| 12:38.06 | nvz | yeah but I got tons of things I dont need like a tv. . heh but they arent worth crap especially in a college town with like 3 pawn shops all of which probably have tvs to the ceiling |
| 12:38.36 | chris_abyi | PerfDave: okay, thanks. When entering the deb, what do I need to enter exactly? Do I have got the unstable version? (amd64?) |
| 12:38.54 | nvz | I get paid friday and its only going to cover rent, if that. my full-time checks wont start comming till the 15th and I will be flat ass broke till then if I dont figure out some way to make money |
| 12:39.20 | PerfDave | chris_abyi: Which version of Debian are you running? I'm guessing that you're running stable from the fact that you have a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 12:39.41 | PerfDave | chris_abyi: And are you running i386 debina wih an amd64 kernel, or amd64 debian? |
| 12:39.48 | chris_abyi | hm. I got amd64 running, kernel 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
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| 12:41.33 | PerfDave | chris_abyi: You're running Debian 3.1 for amd64 then? |
| 12:43.06 | elementz | guys, how can i upload to a remote server via ssh? |
| 12:43.17 | chris_abyi | PerfDave: exactly |
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| 12:43.35 | litb | hi! a shitty setup program trashed my /etc/ld.so.conf . |
| 12:43.46 | PerfDave | elementz: Use scp |
| 12:43.51 | litb | which package includes this file so i can recreate it? |
| 12:43.54 | elementz | PerfDave: thx |
| 12:44.09 | PerfDave | chris_abyi: Then you need to follow the instructions on the website for that? |
| 12:44.46 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 12:44.46 | dpkg | i heard apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename, or currently broken in testing and unstable, refer to bug #377140 |
| 12:45.01 | elementz | PerfDave: like this? scp login@host.com/dir ? |
| 12:45.22 | chris_abyi | PerfDave: okay. Ill give it a try. thanks. |
| 12:46.22 | PerfDave | elementz: man scp |
| 12:46.43 | elementz | did already ;-) still |
| 12:46.48 | elementz | not sure |
| 12:49.01 | Malagmyr | all my machines use their hostname on every line in syslog, except one, which just writes "localhost". How can I get it to use its hostname in logs? |
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| 12:51.00 | fireba11 | Malagmyr: fix hosts file |
| 12:51.37 | Malagmyr | fireball: /etc/hosts? |
| 12:51.54 | chjunior | hi everyone! |
| 12:52.05 | chjunior | somebody knows how do I program a command to be executed always that starts a X session? |
| 12:52.15 | Malagmyr | ah, I see it. thanks |
| 12:53.04 | Arc4nuS | aplicattions > desktop preferences > advanced > sesions |
| 12:53.13 | Arc4nuS | you can setup there |
| 12:53.31 | Malagmyr | Is there a way to kind of centralize the hosts file? So all machines fetch it from another one? |
| 12:53.32 | elementz | PerfDave: how do i copy a dir? doesn't work |
| 12:53.42 | elementz | man page doesn't help much |
| 12:53.48 | PerfDave | Arc4nuS: You're assuming that chjunior is running GNOME |
| 12:53.58 | PerfDave | Malagmyr: You can always run dnsmasq as a central DHCP / DNS server for your network. |
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| 12:54.13 | Arc4nuS | PerfDave, lol i forgot!!! |
| 12:54.23 | PerfDave | elementz: You could use Konqueror or similar for a graphical SCP interface. |
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| 12:54.34 | elementz | am on osx |
| 12:54.54 | Malagmyr | PerfDave: thanks, i'll look into that one |
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| 12:55.20 | chjunior | Arc4nuS, I'm using KDE |
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| 12:55.33 | PerfDave | elementz: Then why are you asking on #debian??? |
| 12:55.42 | elementz | sry |
| 12:55.43 | Arc4nuS | chjunior, sorry |
| 12:55.57 | elementz | thought ssh would suffice |
| 12:56.01 | elementz | or scp |
| 12:56.05 | chjunior | Arc4nuS, on problem, thanks |
| 12:56.11 | Arc4nuS | ^_^ |
| 12:56.11 | chjunior | PerfDave, do you know? |
| 12:56.51 | pitillo | elementz, there is another application, sftp, may there is in osx too (Not sure, sorry) |
| 12:57.02 | PerfDave | chjunior: I find that KDE starts up whatever applications I left open last time I logged out. |
| 12:57.25 | PerfDave | elementz: OS X scp is not the same as Debian SCP. Please ask an OS X channel for support with your OS X problem. |
| 12:57.30 | elementz | pitillo: yep there is |
| 12:57.32 | pitillo | s/sftp/gftp |
| 12:57.37 | chjunior | PerfDave, but I wants to execute commands..... none GUI software |
| 12:57.54 | jetscreamer | yes PerfDave it does that... you can turn it off iirc though |
| 12:58.43 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: I don't want to turn it off. |
| 12:58.57 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 12:58.58 | PerfDave | chjunior: What commands do you want to execute? |
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| 13:01.49 | Laibsch | Why does dexconf just overwrite xorg.conf without warning and without backup (or is there one)? |
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| 13:05.41 | cydork | Laibsch, afaik it does check the /etc/X11 |
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| 13:06.43 | Laibsch | cydork: What do you mean? What does it check? For existence of a previous xorg.conf? |
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| 13:09.01 | ak70 | hi, I just upgraded to the latest kernel, it seems that the kernel has a big problem. I can not write any files larger than 1Gb to a disk that uses UDF |
| 13:09.25 | cydork | Laibsch, i guess so. it's bash script less it to see what it does :) |
| 13:09.30 | ak70 | does anyone notice that? |
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| 13:11.24 | mariusst | isnt there an edonkey/mldonkey package for gentoo? |
| 13:11.31 | mariusst | in the default sarge list |
| 13:11.43 | cydork | mariusst, for gentoo?? |
| 13:12.12 | mariusst | oops, i meant debian :) |
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| 13:12.31 | mariusst | atleast the word has the correct number of letters :) |
| 13:12.59 | Laibsch | mldonkey in debian is very broken. |
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| 13:13.09 | Laibsch | But I think it has been worked on lately. |
| 13:13.25 | mariusst | is there another client then? |
| 13:14.41 | jfletcher[mac] | where does this channel stand on popularity-contest? |
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| 13:14.57 | Laibsch | mariusst: It is not hard to set up mldonkey on debian |
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| 13:15.07 | PerfDave | We don't stand on popularity-conference, we might squash it. |
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| 13:15.17 | Tallu | YESSSS |
| 13:15.20 | Tallu | I think I love ibm. |
| 13:16.03 | fireba11 | ? |
| 13:16.06 | jfletcher[mac] | I love the arctic monkeys |
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| 13:17.13 | Tallu | Well they're phoning microsoft for me to see if they can get the refund thingie going.. to return the OEM windows that i dont need |
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| 13:17.24 | jfletcher[mac] | wow |
| 13:17.28 | jfletcher[mac] | thats great |
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| 13:17.36 | jfletcher[mac] | how much do you pay for OEM windows nowadays? |
| 13:17.51 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: about 200CA |
| 13:18.00 | jfletcher[mac] | whats that in £? |
| 13:18.11 | Tallu | I think it's around 60 pounds or so for for home |
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| 13:18.19 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: no idea. is a pound is about same as us i would say about 150 |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | jfletcher[mac]: troubled: come on |
| 13:18.34 | jetscreamer | !popcon |
| 13:18.34 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:18.39 | troubled | abrotman: now whats your problem? |
| 13:18.40 | Danamania | 95.60UK pounds |
| 13:18.42 | jfletcher[mac] | a pound is nearly 2 USD |
| 13:18.44 | Danamania | ish |
| 13:19.02 | Tallu | Well, xp home costs 90 euros here. |
| 13:19.03 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: then about 75 pounds... |
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| 13:19.08 | jfletcher[mac] | :) |
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| 13:19.27 | jfletcher[mac] | no wonder bill gates is raking a bomb in |
| 13:19.41 | Tallu | First he tried to sell me one that cost twice as much but with a DOS license so it wouldnt come with windows :P |
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| 13:20.12 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1421770&sku=M17-7505 |
| 13:20.17 | tosh | anyone know how to make webalizer parse and make reports for a whole year worth of apache access logs? not just the current month? |
| 13:20.48 | jfletcher[mac] | troubled: :o |
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| 13:21.07 | iceman_ | hi |
| 13:21.29 | iceman_ | anyone using scalix groupware in here? |
| 13:21.33 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: mind you i got me for about $179CA (non 64 with option to upgrade to 64 free) |
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| 13:22.01 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: they ship it was a y power adaptor :) |
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| 13:22.06 | jfletcher[mac] | I aint bought windows in years, last time I got it, I got it free by taking a copy from school |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | stop with the windows crap already |
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| 13:22.40 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: still illegal lol. need COA posted on case or your in vioilation |
| 13:22.46 | jetscreamer | i like spending 350 and having microsoft send me a full copy of all their software |
| 13:22.47 | IndyBC | Hello. I have Gaim and Skype. What can I do in order to talk via Web Camera? |
| 13:22.48 | troubled | cd aint enough |
| 13:22.57 | jfletcher[mac] | troubled: the sticker was still on the cd |
| 13:23.11 | nvz | abrotman: not enjoying the windows conversation. |
| 13:23.12 | jfletcher[mac] | well, not the cd, the paper thing inside the cd wallet |
| 13:23.32 | abrotman | nvz: it's the same people over and over |
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| 13:24.23 | nvz | abrotman: how about we talk about this chick that came into my store last night and tried to get a free sunday off me.. she's like "you're cute" and I hesitated and I was like "well thank you" then she lays on the "can I have a free sunday" and I laughed and said no.. then I go to get her food and I turn around and she's got her boobs hangin out :P |
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| 13:24.34 | abrotman | nvz: you work? |
| 13:24.41 | nvz | hah.. yeah I work |
| 13:24.48 | troubled | jfletcher[mac]: not that I like XP, but its a pain. I originally loaded it on a 600mhz machine til I made my current one. According to license your allowed to fully transfer your license to another machine. problem is MS will not do it unless you t ell them the other machine no longer works. |
| 13:25.00 | Netcad | n the /home partition I have the message: File System only for read and I can not to modify anything even with root |
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| 13:25.07 | abrotman | troubled: you're completely OT .. if you and jfletcher[mac] want to discuss this more, go to /msg |
| 13:25.20 | abrotman | Netcad: it's mounted RO |
| 13:25.37 | troubled | abrotman: you really take moderating this channel seriously dont cha ;) |
| 13:25.52 | troubled | abrotman: you would have kill all of us the other night *snicker* |
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| 13:26.07 | nvz | abrotman: I serve drunk college students food right now.. until I can find something better or get some health coverage to get my back problems solved so I can go back to roofing or something |
| 13:26.13 | abrotman | troubled: i can't, but i can ask others to do so. You've been pretty much OT for a week |
| 13:26.15 | jetscreamer | respect abrotman he will be the evil emporer when i die |
| 13:26.24 | jetscreamer | or however you spell it |
| 13:26.26 | troubled | so much for free speech |
| 13:26.32 | jetscreamer | speech costs money |
| 13:26.38 | jetscreamer | try giving one |
| 13:26.48 | abrotman | troubled: you're free to speak about whatever you want in /msg to jfletcher[mac] |
| 13:26.50 | troubled | abrotman: thats your opinion |
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| 13:27.20 | abrotman | troubled: no .. you can .. |
| 13:27.25 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I extract a UHA file? |
| 13:27.28 | jfletcher[mac] | nah, i can see where abrotman is coming from because its a busy channel etc. |
| 13:27.43 | jfletcher[mac] | would just cause mass text blur. |
| 13:27.53 | troubled | .... |
| 13:28.33 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: wtf is a UHA file? |
| 13:28.41 | PerfDave | Everybody gets some of jetscreamer's asshole? |
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| 13:28.45 | troubled | abrotman: upx archive? |
| 13:28.58 | jetscreamer | PerfDave: that doesn't compute |
| 13:29.03 | troubled | abrotman: prolly wrong, but archive comes to mind for some reason |
| 13:29.19 | jetscreamer | you're thinking lha maybe |
| 13:29.29 | troubled | jetscreamer: maybe |
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| 13:29.49 | Eulex | yep, UHARC Compressed Archive |
| 13:29.56 | troubled | Led_Zeppelin: what does file report? |
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| 13:30.10 | troubled | Eulex: that wrings a bell |
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| 13:30.32 | Eulex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHarc |
| 13:31.00 | troubled | Eulex: figured .arc would have been a better extension choice though |
| 13:31.07 | Eulex | maybe |
| 13:31.26 | Led_Zeppelin | troubled: I am reextracting it |
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| 13:32.06 | troubled | Led_Zeppelin: curious, did file command say what it was? |
| 13:32.14 | iceman_ | scalix anyone? :) |
| 13:32.24 | Led_Zeppelin | troubled: heh, i will let you know. give me 5 mins, its extacting |
| 13:33.00 | troubled | Led_Zeppelin: ctrl-z? :p |
| 13:33.21 | Led_Zeppelin | lets wait and see troubled |
| 13:33.31 | troubled | heh np |
| 13:33.40 | troubled | suspence is killing me though |
| 13:34.09 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, seems like you'll need to run some uharc extractor in wine if you want to be able to extract that thing in linux |
| 13:34.22 | Led_Zeppelin | Eulex: rrgh, really? |
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| 13:34.44 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, googled a bit, can't seem to find any linux extractor |
| 13:34.51 | Led_Zeppelin | same here |
| 13:34.53 | Eulex | only people asking for such a thing. |
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| 13:35.23 | Led_Zeppelin | well, my cousin does a lot of video / photo editting, and he tries to be technical and puts them in these crazy formats |
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| 13:35.49 | troubled | Eulex: curious, does lha able to read those? maybe thats why it range a bell, used to use lha over zip ages ago |
| 13:35.55 | Led_Zeppelin | instead of just copying files over, he does a compress + makes it a .iso and tar.gz it! |
| 13:36.03 | Eulex | troubled, no idea |
| 13:36.04 | nvz | my brother is like that but at least he uses rar which I can work with but its annoying |
| 13:36.15 | nvz | sucks to deal with windows users |
| 13:36.21 | Led_Zeppelin | nvz: big time |
| 13:36.23 | troubled | Led_Zeppelin: in the end its probably bigger compressed than uncompress heh |
| 13:36.31 | Led_Zeppelin | pinta |
| 13:36.33 | Led_Zeppelin | *pita |
| 13:36.52 | nvz | they dont realize how hard it is to do things that way.. hunting down these commercial programs on the internet and pirating them.. when all I have to do is apt-get |
| 13:37.10 | Led_Zeppelin | or just put them in regular files! |
| 13:37.12 | Led_Zeppelin | heh |
| 13:37.23 | Led_Zeppelin | whatever happened to zip ? |
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| 13:37.27 | troubled | nvz: cant say I care which format I use for archives, but in windows world i must say that winzip got put to shame by winrar imho. |
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| 13:37.37 | Led_Zeppelin | something technical people get on my nerves |
| 13:38.00 | nvz | thats why I've been on debian exclusivly for 6 years.. scouring the whole damn internet to find a program to suit your needs then trusting some l33t hacker who cracked it or some shit is just insane |
| 13:38.04 | Eulex | troubled, aye, winrar even pwnz winzip when it comes to compressing zip files |
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| 13:38.20 | nvz | debian gives me all I need without all the headaches |
| 13:38.33 | Arc4nuS | i have a question |
| 13:38.34 | Led_Zeppelin | debian + ubuntu |
| 13:38.36 | nvz | I can feel morally just in doing it too |
| 13:38.45 | Arc4nuS | i have allready installed 3ddesk |
| 13:38.45 | troubled | Eulex: i just like winrar cause it supports tar.gz and bz files just fine. clear winner for reading linux archives |
| 13:38.51 | Arc4nuS | and all works cool |
| 13:38.56 | Eulex | troubled, right |
| 13:39.01 | Shadowcat | nvz: famos last words? :P |
| 13:39.05 | Shadowcat | famous* |
| 13:39.12 | Arc4nuS | now, i need asign a key sequence to inicialite de 3d desk |
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| 13:39.30 | Arc4nuS | how can i do? |
| 13:39.31 | nvz | Shadowcat: *shrug* dont know what you are getting at there :P |
| 13:39.33 | troubled | Arc4nuS: 3d desk? as in autodesk? in linux? |
| 13:39.38 | Arc4nuS | i use gnome |
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| 13:39.49 | cr3 | what's the name of that intel 64 bit processor? |
| 13:39.55 | Arc4nuS | troubled, is a 3d desktop enviroment |
| 13:39.58 | troubled | cr3: Itanium? |
| 13:39.59 | Eulex | cr3, which of them? |
| 13:40.05 | Led_Zeppelin | Itanium? |
| 13:40.07 | Shadowcat | cr3: Intel has a plethora of 64bit processors |
| 13:40.10 | troubled | cr3: IA64? |
| 13:40.17 | Shadowcat | shouldn't you be in school? |
| 13:40.22 | nvz | Shadowcat: why would my desktop(s) go on strike :P |
| 13:40.31 | Arc4nuS | troubled, is a soft that takes images of all your desktops |
| 13:40.31 | Eulex | nah, ended at 13.55 :P |
| 13:40.34 | Shadowcat | nvz: because you treat them badly |
| 13:40.38 | troubled | Arc4nuS: cool, got a url? |
| 13:40.43 | Shadowcat | don't make me give you extra homework |
| 13:40.46 | Eulex | :) |
| 13:40.47 | Arc4nuS | and then allows change the desks in 3d |
| 13:40.49 | nvz | Shadowcat: how do I treat them badly? |
| 13:40.54 | jfletcher[mac] | school ends at 2 nowadays? |
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| 13:41.21 | Arc4nuS | troubled, is in the debian repository |
| 13:41.30 | Arc4nuS | serch 3ddesktop |
| 13:41.35 | Led_Zeppelin | reboot to windows |
| 13:41.37 | troubled | Arc4nuS: oh cool, thanks |
| 13:41.45 | Arc4nuS | you are welcome! |
| 13:41.57 | Led_Zeppelin | troubled: UHarc archive data |
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| 13:43.03 | troubled | Arc4nuS: so it works with gnome? |
| 13:43.09 | troubled | ie: on top of it? |
| 13:43.21 | Arc4nuS | yep |
| 13:43.43 | Eulex | cr3, intel has made two kinds of 64-bit processors: ia64 ones and emt64 ones. the itaniums are ia64, the newer pentium 4's and the core 2 meroms |
| 13:43.48 | troubled | Arc4nuS: neat. I would love to try it if I could get drm and agpgarp working properly with this ati |
| 13:44.01 | Eulex | ... are em64t |
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| 13:47.56 | jetscreamer | drm? |
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| 13:48.11 | jetscreamer | you mean dri |
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| 13:48.21 | troubled | jetscreamer: DRI (but mod is called drm or something) |
| 13:48.40 | troubled | jetscreamer: im still trying to figure out the naming stupidity |
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| 13:49.12 | troubled | jetscreamer: but direct rendering manager and direct rendering interface i think are the two parts of it all |
| 13:49.33 | Eulex | dri = direct rendering infrastructure, drm = direct rendering manager |
| 13:49.35 | troubled | jetscreamer: ya sorry, i guess drm sounds more like digital rights |
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| 13:49.58 | jetscreamer | all i know about ati is that nvidia works |
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| 13:50.31 | jetscreamer | Just Works(tm) |
| 13:50.32 | troubled | jetscreamer: I dont think its about ati in this case. Its 100% for sure a mobo issue or via chipset problem in my case |
| 13:50.40 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 13:50.49 | jetscreamer | i was jsut curious about 'drm' |
| 13:50.55 | Eulex | I actually recently got my r300 x300 working with dri with the free radeon driver |
| 13:50.55 | abrotman | there is dri/drm for video .. and drm for files |
| 13:50.59 | troubled | jetscreamer: X logs make it obvious, the modules even when say are loaded cant find agp properly |
| 13:51.46 | troubled | Eulex: ya, like i said, nothing to do with ati in this case. The drivers load and work as much as they can, just a problem with agpgart and dri |
| 13:52.00 | jetscreamer | i actually have an ati now, a leftover 9200se |
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| 13:52.35 | Eulex | troubled, heh, ok |
| 13:53.13 | troubled | jetscreamer: actually the ati stuff worked great. Originally was just i didnt have agpgart and dri compiled in cause I misunderstood the warning in the readme |
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| 13:57.57 | troubled | lilo: heya |
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| 13:59.01 | troubled | lilo: curious, if you get this, my password still in the server configs for my host mask before network login? memo me, thanks |
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| 14:02.50 | nvz | argh.. I wonder how hard it is to get hold of a television network to bitch at them I've been laying here on the couch watching a movie.. some guy gets sniped they go to commercial and come back to some fucking documentary about st augistine with no warning what-so-ever |
| 14:03.31 | elementz | i can't fuckin scp to my remote box |
| 14:03.33 | abrotman | compound? |
| 14:03.53 | elementz | asked in different channels now |
| 14:03.58 | abrotman | firewall |
| 14:04.02 | elementz | working on osx |
| 14:04.05 | elementz | ssh working fine |
| 14:04.07 | troubled | elementz: sshd setup to allow scp? |
| 14:04.20 | elementz | troubled: where do i check? |
| 14:04.31 | abrotman | sshd_config .. oddly |
| 14:04.35 | troubled | elementz: pretty sure there a config option for it |
| 14:04.36 | elementz | troubled: where's the sshd config? |
| 14:04.49 | troubled | elementz: your serious? |
| 14:04.57 | PerfDave | elementz: Can you scp from the Debian box to itself? |
| 14:04.59 | elementz | yep n00b here |
| 14:05.07 | cydork | !noob |
| 14:05.08 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 14:05.13 | troubled | elementz: you been around here for years, you aint a noob! |
| 14:05.13 | elementz | PerfDave: u can do that? |
| 14:05.23 | elementz | lol |
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| 14:05.28 | PerfDave | elementz: Yes |
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| 14:05.37 | elementz | troubled: what r u talking bout? |
| 14:05.56 | elementz | PerfDave: hold on trying |
| 14:06.03 | amphi | !u |
| 14:06.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:06.09 | hdkiller | !moo |
| 14:06.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:06.12 | hdkiller | o_O" |
| 14:06.16 | hdkiller | btw, what is the option for scp? |
| 14:06.24 | hdkiller | i reading man sshd_conf and i found nothing |
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| 14:06.47 | hdkiller | btw, i have nothing special in my conf and scp works fine (never ever knew it's configurable in sshd) |
| 14:07.09 | hdkiller | plz troubled point me out, i want to disable scp! .) |
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| 14:07.24 | PerfDave | You can't disable scp, only sftp;. |
| 14:07.30 | PerfDave | Why do you want to disable scp, hdkiller? |
| 14:07.43 | hdkiller | PerfDave, to know how to enable it later as troubled said |
| 14:07.43 | troubled | PerfDave: sftp is what scp uses iirc |
| 14:07.52 | Tallu | uhh.. im never buying caffeinated candies anymore |
| 14:07.56 | elementz | this it? |
| 14:07.57 | elementz | # Authentication: |
| 14:07.58 | elementz | LoginGraceTime 600 |
| 14:07.58 | elementz | PermitRootLogin no |
| 14:07.58 | elementz | StrictModes yes |
| 14:07.58 | PerfDave | troubled: No, they're seperate protocols. |
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| 14:08.23 | troubled | PerfDave: oh, learn something new then :) |
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| 14:09.06 | digits | Semi-Offtopic: I'm helping (cough trying) my brother to export mail from Lotus Notes to a "real" mailserver, anybody have a clue how to get them out of Lotus? |
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| 14:09.53 | niklaus | how to check if the machine has got SDRAM or DDR on it . Any specific commands |
| 14:10.26 | PerfDave | niklaus: dmidecode may help |
| 14:10.27 | enouf | niklaus: dmidecode |
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| 14:11.12 | fallingdutch | how do i change the initial ramdisk, want to run a script and add a binary to it using the ramdisk-tools? |
| 14:11.20 | enouf | smacks nvz's boob toob network |
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| 14:11.56 | kd3 | how come when i 'irc', my ssl doesn't work? |
| 14:12.03 | kd3 | it used to work |
| 14:12.13 | enouf | elementz: might 'netatalk' help for osx stuff? |
| 14:12.36 | nvz | enouf: its that damn A&E's fault the scheduled some stupid commentary for St. Augustine at 10am not considering the movie they were playing is at the height of its plot. there was no damn warning, no credits, not this is comming up next.. nothing.. cuts to commercial at the height of the story line and comes back to something else. |
| 14:12.57 | elementz | enouf: where can i get that? you got a link maybe? |
| 14:13.10 | enouf | nvz: i hear ya - that sux |
| 14:13.12 | nvz | I sent them an email asking them WTF is up with this shit and if they planned on doing this when it airs again at 3pm |
| 14:13.20 | elementz | edited sshd_conf - still no workie |
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| 14:13.26 | niklaus | PerfDave, enouf , single bank connection is SDRAM and double bank is DDR . Am i right |
| 14:13.30 | enouf | elementz: apt-cache show netatalk |
| 14:13.30 | Danamania | elementz: are you trying to connect from the debian box to the OSX box? |
| 14:13.39 | kd3 | is it my client or what? |
| 14:13.53 | elementz | Danamania: nope the other way round |
| 14:14.05 | nvz | why bother playing a movie in that manner.. its bad enough I got 3 channels or so that are duplicates.. I get WPXI news from pittsburgh 90miles away on two freaking cable channels back to back |
| 14:14.09 | Danamania | ahh |
| 14:14.34 | enouf | niklaus: SDRAm = Synchronous Dynamic, DDR-RAM = Double Data Rate SDRAM |
| 14:15.02 | niklaus | enouf, how to differentiate from dmidecode |
| 14:15.04 | niklaus | output |
| 14:15.08 | elementz | enouf: ok i install that on debian - and then what? |
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| 14:16.47 | enouf | elementz : 'sudo updatedb' then 'locate netatalk' read docs ... I'm not using at the moment and know very little about it, was merely suggesting look into it to see if it would help |
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| 14:17.05 | elementz | enouf: thx man |
| 14:17.23 | orjan | Is there something like vsound for alsa? |
| 14:17.34 | niklaus | enouf, dmidecode output, how to distinguish sdram and ddr |
| 14:18.01 | enouf | niklaus: sudo dmidecode | grep Detail |
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| 14:18.22 | niklaus | enouf, Synchronous |
| 14:18.50 | enouf | niklaus: mine too :-) not sure though - hold a sec |
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| 14:19.31 | niklaus | enouf, i think it is type |
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| 14:20.29 | enouf | niklaus: you know you can always review the mobo manual too ... but I'm grepping various hw utilities - hold .. |
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| 14:21.57 | tosh | anyone using webalizer then? |
| 14:22.01 | PerfDave | orjan: What's vsound? |
| 14:22.06 | PerfDave | !anybody use webalizer |
| 14:22.09 | PerfDave | Bah |
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| 14:22.28 | tosh | I can't make it generate reports for an entire year |
| 14:23.13 | abrotman | orjan: can't you load the pcm_oss crap and have it work? i think i've done that |
| 14:23.18 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 14:23.22 | enouf | niklaus: 'hwinfo' gives tons of info - but I have no system with DDR to see what diffs may be there between ddr and sdram - check the mobo manual - go to mobo site and d/l the PDF if necessary or open the case and look :-O |
| 14:23.25 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
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| 14:24.26 | hdkiller | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc527.txt haha! |
| 14:24.33 | Eclipser | is there any easy utility to select wlan SSID out of the available ones? |
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| 14:26.49 | abrotman | Eclipser: there are GUI tools |
| 14:27.18 | Eclipser | those could work if they're light enough... my laptop isn't very powerful :) |
| 14:27.57 | PerfDave | Non-gui... kismet? |
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| 14:29.26 | elementz | wtf |
| 14:30.06 | rhsanborn | Is Debian Etch supposed to automatically detect and mount USB flash drives? |
| 14:30.13 | abrotman | rhsanborn: depends on your DE |
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| 14:30.31 | abrotman | gnome and kde probably should .. everything else .. not sure |
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| 14:30.49 | abrotman | (should detect even if not mount) |
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| 14:31.14 | rhsanborn | using gnome, will check. I know it recognizes it, I can see it in the kernel spam. Don't think it's mounting |
| 14:31.28 | abrotman | rhsanborn: might have to set it up in /etc/fstab |
| 14:32.03 | rhsanborn | abrotman, know of a command I can use to make sure that it's taking /dev/sda? |
| 14:32.14 | abrotman | dmesg .. look at the end |
| 14:32.19 | abrotman | when you plug/unplug it |
| 14:32.26 | abrotman | or tail -f /var/log/dmesg |
| 14:32.34 | troubled | rhsanborn: etch auto detects and mounts for me in gnome |
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| 14:32.49 | rhsanborn | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 59 |
| 14:32.57 | abrotman | it does for me too .. but i think it just started doing it on its own .. |
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| 14:33.15 | troubled | abrotman: self aware instalation? |
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| 14:35.13 | elementz | how do i unzip *zip files under linux? |
| 14:35.48 | Eulex | unzip filename |
| 14:36.10 | orjan | Is there something like vsound but for alsa? |
| 14:36.24 | elementz | Eulex: thx |
| 14:36.33 | livingtm | Do any of the virtualization systems (parallels/vmware/xen/etc) support booting a real and existing hard drive partition as a virtual machine? |
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| 14:36.53 | Eulex | elementz, yw :) |
| 14:36.54 | orjan | abrotman: oops scrolled back, read your msg |
| 14:37.25 | rhsanborn | When I plug in my thumb drive, dmesg never gets past the "new full speed USB device..." message |
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| 14:38.19 | abrotman | troubled: no idea .. it just started doing it .. i'm not a fan of automagic |
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| 14:40.14 | digits | livingtm: vmware does, but i wouldn't recommend it |
| 14:40.16 | cydork | rhsanborn: do you see it /proc/partitions ? |
| 14:40.28 | livingtm | digits, whys that? |
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| 14:40.44 | rhsanborn | cydork, modprobe usb-storage and then unplugging and plugging the drive back in got it to recognize |
| 14:41.00 | digits | livingtm: need special drivers which can screw stuff up, read on their homepage for more info |
| 14:43.17 | abrotman | rhsanborn: put that module in /etc/modules |
| 14:43.45 | troubled | abrotman: who knows, maybe a package upgrade fixed it :) |
| 14:43.51 | rhsanborn | abrotman, will do, thx |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | troubled: still not a bad module to load |
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| 14:44.38 | troubled | abrotman: no, was in reference to your usb automount fixing itself |
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| 14:44.45 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:44.57 | kd3 | is there a ndiswrapper package for sarge? can i backport it? |
| 14:45.00 | abrotman | troubled: nfc .. it's possible .. i just noticed it last week after my trip |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | !find ndiswrapper sarge |
| 14:45.12 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'ndiswrapper' (10): ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 ;; ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 ;; ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-k7-smp ;; ndiswrapper-common ;; ndiswrapper-utils ;; ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 ;; ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386 ;; ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; ndiswrapper-source ;; ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686-smp. |
| 14:45.16 | abrotman | look at that! |
| 14:45.25 | abrotman | kd3: i think it's in contrib or nonfree |
| 14:45.37 | kd3 | they don't match my kernel though |
| 14:45.39 | troubled | kd3: on a side note, you can backport anything you have code for... |
| 14:45.43 | abrotman | !diswrapper one-liner |
| 14:45.47 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 14:45.48 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | kd3: what's your kernel ? |
| 14:45.55 | troubled | kd3: i mean _you_ can that is if you _want_ |
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| 14:46.11 | kd3 | 2.6.17.8 |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | you can try it .. that's what you get for rolling your own |
| 14:46.41 | WaLveRine | guys, i've got a little problem, i've just installed all about postgresql/running apache - 2/running - php/running but, i'm not able to enable odbc with php (i've installed unixODBC) |
| 14:46.59 | WaLveRine | some help for me? i'm in panic :( |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | WaLveRine: did you install libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 14:47.32 | WaLveRine | ah |
| 14:47.42 | abrotman | or php5 .. whichever you have .. and make sure your extensionss are uncommented in the php.ini |
| 14:47.44 | cydork | kd3, you can compile it easily |
| 14:47.48 | tosh | WaLveRine try getting it to run with openoffice, I know openoffice has a tutorial somewhere on how to get data from an odbc/mysql into their db app |
| 14:47.49 | WaLveRine | for me it's php5.x, postgres8.x |
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| 14:48.31 | WaLveRine | yes..but i'm configuring my server by ssh2 |
| 14:48.42 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 14:48.54 | WaLveRine | abrotman you know... here it's phpinfo(); |
| 14:48.55 | WaLveRine | http://62.149.231.81/index.php |
| 14:50.24 | litb | is there a tutorial which explains what /emul , /lib32 and /lib64 are and how they differ ? |
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| 14:54.22 | troubled | WaLveRine: you expect someone with a cloak to visit your url and get their ip? :) |
| 14:54.35 | mgoetze | hi... does anyone know of a way to get a bci-enabled freetype on a sarge system? |
| 14:54.50 | Siddharta | troubled: enouf: DocOC : hello |
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| 14:55.23 | enouf | !greet Siddharta |
| 14:55.23 | dpkg | Hi there, Siddharta |
| 14:55.45 | troubled | Siddharta... |
| 14:56.01 | Siddharta | the fstab nightmare you remind me |
| 14:56.05 | PerfDave | How do I change the fonts used by gtk applications on my KDE desktop? |
| 14:56.24 | enouf | Siddharta - you the one with the ntfs /fstab partition magic munging woes ? |
| 14:56.36 | Siddharta | yes |
| 14:56.46 | enouf | how's it going |
| 14:56.51 | Dan02 | hi guys |
| 14:56.56 | Dan02 | anyone used munin here? |
| 14:56.59 | Siddharta | entire disk reformatting |
| 14:57.13 | enouf | Siddharta - ...figures hehe |
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| 14:57.35 | Siddharta | and re installing with a /boot on primary bootable partition |
| 14:57.50 | jfletcher[mac] | !moo |
| 14:57.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:57.50 | Siddharta | this time |
| 14:57.54 | enouf | Siddharta - ok - nice so you got a good backup plan right? |
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| 14:58.13 | Dan02 | yay dpkg is back |
| 14:58.17 | enouf | Siddharta - perhaps you already made use of one :-) |
| 14:58.22 | jfletcher[mac] | :D |
| 14:58.25 | Siddharta | yes i just received today my 40GB usb hard disk |
| 14:58.40 | abrotman | WaLveRine: doesn't work so well |
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| 14:59.14 | moqq | hey i'm trying to figure out how to get full syntax hilightling in VIM - i installed the packages, enagbled it in the vimrc, but it wants a syntax.vim file in each user's home directory. i've downloaded other syntax files (i.e. php.vim, etc) but what do i do for the syntax.vim ? |
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| 14:59.18 | troubled | Siddharta: you had the messed up fstab and partitions correct? |
| 14:59.30 | tuomov | Is there a way to disable the .pdiff shit for apt-get/aptitude update? |
| 14:59.32 | enouf | ^^^^ |
| 14:59.33 | tuomov | it's so fucking slow |
| 14:59.44 | fasta | tuomov: there is |
| 14:59.51 | enouf | troubled -- catch up! slow poke |
| 14:59.57 | enouf | :-) |
| 15:00.00 | fasta | tuomov: I don't know it by heart, but it's documented |
| 15:00.01 | troubled | enouf: ya, just seen it heh |
| 15:00.02 | tuomov | which would be? Couldn't find anything on the manual pages |
| 15:00.17 | Fox | tuomov: /msg dpkg pdiff |
| 15:00.26 | berzerka | how can i make gdm spawn only once? |
| 15:00.56 | enouf | berzerka: why is it not already? |
| 15:01.09 | Siddharta | some friends of the lug i belong looks at my problem and never understand why at each reboot the partition were ot on the same hda |
| 15:01.25 | tuomov | seems to work, thanks |
| 15:01.43 | enouf | Siddharta - explain a bit more please.. |
| 15:01.45 | berzerka | enouf, it respawns infinite times, but i want to have to start it manually if i killed X once. |
| 15:02.08 | enouf | berzerka: how are you killing X? |
| 15:02.16 | tuomov | nothing about pdiff on the man page for apt.conf either, though |
| 15:02.21 | berzerka | enouf, ctrl-alt backspace e.g. |
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| 15:02.49 | troubled | berzerka: be easier to just use startx manually when you want wouldnt it? |
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| 15:03.32 | berzerka | this is what i did until now, but i would like to change it. if its impossible i can live with startx (dont really like graphical logins anyway, was just playing around..) |
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| 15:03.40 | berzerka | troubled, ^ |
| 15:03.45 | WaLveRine | abrotman why it doesn't work so well? |
| 15:04.11 | WaLveRine | ops |
| 15:04.33 | WaLveRine | ok abrotman now it works fine |
| 15:04.53 | berzerka | troubled, i would like a graphical login if i boot, but anyways be able to (completely) kill X. |
| 15:05.31 | enouf | berzerka: oh .. i see now, I think - IOW , how would it know whether or not you want the DM to appear or not... except to tell it so as you're actually killing X - so maybe look into shutting down X more gracefully and/or load a console only and/or switch the runlevel maybe |
| 15:05.32 | troubled | berzerka: well, i suppose you can setup a /etc/init.d/gdm stop command at the end of the global xsession rc file |
| 15:05.33 | cydork | berzerka: why dont you stop gdm/kdm? that will stop it |
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| 15:05.57 | enouf | troubled - there ya go .. |
| 15:05.58 | troubled | berzerka: i know the way the conf are setup if 100% for sure doable, I just dont know the X setup files enough to tell you how |
| 15:06.12 | troubled | berzerka: been a while since i bothered with that crap |
| 15:06.13 | dings | I can't seem to find glxgears and glxinfo in sid. Any hints? |
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| 15:06.42 | Siddharta | enouf: you don't remember? |
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| 15:06.55 | cydork | dings: it's in mesa-utils i guess |
| 15:07.14 | rjm | is the netinstall disk ok if it is your first time installing debian? |
| 15:07.30 | jerome | bonjour. |
| 15:07.52 | berzerka | isnt it possible to give a parameter to start_daemon in /etc/init.d/gdm like 'once' (the same i would put in inittab instead of 'respawn')? |
| 15:07.58 | Suprano | can i forward a connecting client on e.g port 36542 to port 1234 using iptables ? |
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| 15:08.20 | berzerka | cydork, yes, i could do that manually before killing x, good idea. |
| 15:08.25 | rjm | use stunnel |
| 15:08.38 | cydork | rjm: yep get etch beta 3 installer coz it has gui installation too :P |
| 15:08.47 | enouf | Siddharta - I do mostly - just the rebooting the same hda isn't odd in and of itself .. isn't that what one usually desires ? Rebooting into the same OS or HDD or whatever if one desires? |
| 15:09.08 | rjm | thx |
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| 15:09.46 | blondie | is growisofs available in sarge? |
| 15:09.57 | jcaceres | hello |
| 15:09.58 | berzerka | troubled, i think if i added it to the Xsession file, it would only be executed if i shut down x cleanly. but there is no way to 'close' gdm at the login, or is it? |
| 15:10.12 | jcaceres | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.15 | troubled | Suprano: of course. dont ask me to spit out a command to do it for ya though.... |
| 15:10.24 | jcaceres | i already did the lstp part |
| 15:10.40 | Suprano | no the possibility that it is possible is enough, ty |
| 15:10.44 | jcaceres | but io wonder if any opf you knows a kernell to shut down the pc |
| 15:11.18 | jcaceres | this beacuse some the first one will be available only during some hours and the other one for shutingdown will be the default during the night |
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| 15:11.29 | jcaceres | any ideas? |
| 15:11.54 | enouf | berzerka: you can also use invoke-rc.d and/or update-rc.d to call it when you want only I suppose, or just kill it from even starting using 'rcconf' or 'sysv-rc-conf' |
| 15:12.23 | troubled | berzerka: i suppose you could find a program that would allow you to run a command if you clicked a button you can cause you can run programs that appear on the login screen. no idea how you would script it though. sorry. |
| 15:12.59 | fasta | If I downgrade using the pinning mechanism, do I need to downgrade my kernel too? I am running 2.6.17 |
| 15:13.13 | troubled | berzerka: i seem to remember some desktop environment allow you to stop x and drop down to console login. might be kde unless they removed the option |
| 15:13.43 | troubled | berzerka: or you could just create a special user login about without a password that runs sudo with permission to stop gdm upon login. kinda a kludge but.... |
| 15:13.45 | signuts | troubled, that's nothign special |
| 15:14.02 | troubled | signuts: whats that? |
| 15:14.11 | signuts | Drop down from X to a console. |
| 15:14.13 | signuts | I do all the time |
| 15:14.34 | signuts | unless I misunderstand |
| 15:14.35 | troubled | signuts: i just ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 15:14.53 | troubled | signuts: no, he wants a "kill gdm and drop to tty1" button |
| 15:14.58 | enouf | berzerka: I mean if you just entirely kill it from even starting using 'rcconf' ()this will alter the symlink for gdm in /etc/rc2.d from S99gdm to K00gdm - you can always just start it up using /etc/init.d/gdm start I would guess |
| 15:15.12 | troubled | signuts: kinda like Alt-N in kde i think it was |
| 15:15.15 | signuts | troubled, ahh, I did not understand . but I do now. Why use gdm :) |
| 15:15.22 | thelostbutler | folks, how do i find out with package has the perl module http::request, i tried apt-cache search but couldn't find it |
| 15:15.26 | troubled | good point, he could use kdm |
| 15:15.26 | jfletcher[mac] | right, got a problem, i just installed etch but for some reason X aint there, so I run apt-get install x-window-system :: error: unable to fetch some archives |
| 15:15.31 | jfletcher[mac] | is this my sources.list or..? |
| 15:15.41 | troubled | berzerka: install kdm, i think it might do it for ya |
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| 15:16.00 | dings | How can I get hold of an older version of a packet (specifically nvidia-kernel-source) |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | WaLveRine: ok .. i see it now |
| 15:16.16 | berzerka | troubled, nah seems a bit too hacky to me.. i will investigate a bit further myself, or else stick with cydork's proposal to explicitly init.d/gdm stop before killing X. |
| 15:16.16 | abrotman | WaLveRine: so what's the issue ? |
| 15:16.26 | berzerka | troubled, hm also dont really like kdm :) |
| 15:16.34 | troubled | berzerka: i got an idea.... |
| 15:16.53 | troubled | berzerka: easy to. edit your inittab and set ctrl-alt-del to run /etc/init.d/gdm stop instead of shutdown |
| 15:16.58 | troubled | berzerka: now drop it :) |
| 15:16.59 | niklaus | enouf, i have a remote machine to which i have root access, how to check if it has SDRAM or DDR , thats the problem i don't have acess to mobo |
| 15:17.12 | berzerka | enouf, that is a good idea, and then execute init.d/gdm start manually in the system-wide xsession? |
| 15:17.35 | enouf | berzerka: Sure |
| 15:17.56 | twk | hi all. Does someone use mplayer compiled against debian package of libavcodec libaformat libraries ?? |
| 15:18.02 | cydork | niklaus: wht's wrong with dmidecode?? |
| 15:18.03 | signuts | berzerka, I wouldn't use a display manager at ll |
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| 15:18.12 | enouf | niklaus: can't you tell me what the Mobo maker and model are form those hardware tools ?? |
| 15:18.26 | enouf | niklaus: can't you tell **yourself :-) |
| 15:18.39 | enouf | from* |
| 15:18.46 | berzerka | signuts, normally i don't either, but maybe somedays someone comes up to me and says hey! configure my system that way :) |
| 15:19.07 | troubled | berzerka: see ^^^ for inittab idea |
| 15:19.17 | berzerka | signuts, im just curious and playing around, dont think i will stick very long with a dm at all.. |
| 15:19.58 | berzerka | troubled, thats also nice... then i would no longer be able to reboot that way... i could live with that.. |
| 15:20.15 | troubled | berzerka: most people disable it for security anyways |
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| 15:20.19 | wdamn | Hi, how can I delete ipv6 from my network interface? |
| 15:20.43 | troubled | wdamn: unload ipv6 modules |
| 15:20.51 | wdamn | it's in use |
| 15:20.57 | nvz | lsmod |
| 15:21.08 | troubled | wdamn: prevent it from loading on start or erase the module :) |
| 15:21.12 | nvz | it most likely in use by the network card driver |
| 15:21.18 | nvz | unload that first then unload it |
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| 15:21.24 | troubled | wdamn: shutdown the interface first |
| 15:21.37 | enouf | cydork: I don't have DDR system here .. do you ?-- I can tell the output of 'sudo dmidecode | grep Detail' showing 'Synchronous' for each bank - but DDR is also SDRAM - not sure what DDR would say differently |
| 15:21.39 | troubled | wdamn: including lo i would think |
| 15:21.47 | wdamn | troubled, nvz ok, but I'm working remotely :) |
| 15:21.47 | berzerka | well, thank you all, i will play a bit around with it and then kick the display manager off my system ;) |
| 15:21.58 | enouf | cydork: mine's only plain jane SDRAM |
| 15:22.12 | nvz | wdamn: then you may want to remove it from /etc/modules and reboot and hope it comes back up and you can get back in :P |
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| 15:23.06 | wdamn | nvz: yeah, I was hoping for something cleaner... but I'll try this way |
| 15:23.12 | nvz | wdamn: consider that changing from IPv6 to IPv4 could possibly loose your route to the host if say the ip changes and you are using port forwarding to the existing IP through a firewall to login right now |
| 15:23.16 | troubled | wdamn: then script it: ifdown -a && rmod ipv6 && ifup -a |
| 15:23.32 | cydork | enouf: i cant test it too .. |
| 15:23.42 | muaddib | does anyone know of a way to monitor file usage with the following stats. reads writes final size of transmission.. So if I were writing a file it would analyze record the entire transmisstion showing the read, write and total size of that transaction |
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| 15:24.34 | wdamn | troubled, nvz : ok, thanx |
| 15:24.36 | enouf | troubled: once you type in either /etc/init.d/gdm start|stop - shouldn't it be in the command history? therefore a Up arrow (perhaps a few) and then Enter key and voila! |
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| 15:24.57 | nvz | muaddib: you looking to monitor file access across the whole system? in real time? logged or through some sort of real-time monitor like filemon on systeminternals.com ? |
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| 15:25.08 | troubled | enouf: whats that have to do with anything? |
| 15:25.12 | PerfDave | Hmm, my v4l Logitech Quickcam works in xawtv, but not in vlc. Any ideas? |
| 15:25.19 | enouf | cydork: I told niklaus he could EASILY get the mobo info and search the web for the RAM it takes |
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| 15:25.48 | niklaus | enouf, cydork : well it is a remote machine and i have to buy either SD or RD . thats the problem |
| 15:25.59 | niklaus | and some mobo supports both |
| 15:26.12 | troubled | niklaus: there is a command to tell you, someone mentioned it earlier this morning |
| 15:26.12 | enouf | troubled : the 'inittab' idea, and remapping keys = no necessito ...but a nice idea all the same :-) |
| 15:26.52 | troubled | enouf: well, if I wanted to be a smart ass I would have ctrl-alt-del run a script that toggles it, but what do I know right? ;) |
| 15:26.59 | muaddib | nvz: File access across the whole system a logged for analysis later |
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| 15:27.18 | enouf | You can run those apps (dmidecode, hwinfo, lshw, etc) on the remote if you have root access -- heck even cat /prco/cpuinfo and dmesg will give you enough |
| 15:27.27 | troubled | enouf: i still think C-A-D is the best solution since it takes away cad from casual passer by's as well |
| 15:27.36 | nvz | I wonder what the hell happened to the linux utils on systeminternals.com.. I guess when microsoft bought the site and software to include the technology in future windows versions they did away with that :P |
| 15:27.36 | enouf | s/prco/proc |
| 15:27.43 | troubled | enouf: dmidecode, thats it |
| 15:28.15 | enouf | troubled : I just like leaving ctrl+alt+del assigned to quick kill :-p |
| 15:28.40 | enouf | nvz ...wtf ? |
| 15:28.54 | troubled | enouf: sys rq |
| 15:28.58 | enouf | nvz ..are you kdding ? Marc is gone ?? |
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| 15:29.09 | troubled | enouf: cant get quicker or safer than that heh |
| 15:29.21 | enouf | troubled : Mine's enabled - is yours ? hehehe |
| 15:29.30 | troubled | enouf: nope, security :) |
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| 15:29.55 | troubled | enouf: well, not so much security, but prevent people in the "know" from fsckin aroun |
| 15:29.56 | troubled | d |
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| 15:30.08 | enouf | troubled : I am my own security here -- I'm top dog - and I riule with an iron ...err no not that iron .. |
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| 15:30.17 | troubled | hehe |
| 15:30.21 | enouf | :-p |
| 15:30.40 | nvz | enouf: he's not gone he works for them apperently |
| 15:30.47 | troubled | enouf: still wont stop someone from going into your apt/house when you aint there and doing something quickly hehe |
| 15:30.52 | nvz | enouf: and its Mark not Marc |
| 15:31.14 | DogWater | Anyone ever get Debian 3.1 to recognize a dell Cerc Sata 1.5 as a raid controller ? |
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| 15:32.14 | nvz | enouf: they realized his tools were better than theirs and that half their techs were using them and a large number of their knowledge database entries referred to 3rd party utils.. so they naturally had to buy that shit. |
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| 15:32.42 | nvz | enouf: why reinvent the wheel when you can goto a rim shop and buy one? |
| 15:32.44 | enouf | nvz ... they always had those free tools though - the latest I recall was rootkithunter - but I've been away from that now for more than 1/2 yr |
| 15:32.59 | enouf | nvz ... right .. |
| 15:33.05 | nvz | enouf: the site used to have linux tools.. not anymore |
| 15:33.18 | enouf | nvz ... wow -- what a dump! |
| 15:33.23 | DogWater | or does anyone know of an installer for 3.1 that has more drivers a more complete kernel? |
| 15:33.27 | enouf | like A&E |
| 15:33.31 | troubled | nvz: he's not reinventing the wheel, he's in the wheel production market thats all :) |
| 15:33.34 | nvz | enouf: I read on google news a while back that microsoft had purchaced winternals/sysinternals |
| 15:33.55 | nvz | troubled: I was referring to microsoft buying his wheels instead of making their own |
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| 15:34.08 | troubled | nvz: sorry, missed the context hehe |
| 15:34.12 | nvz | troubled: since he and Bryce Cogswell are obviously better at it |
| 15:34.18 | enouf | nvz ... winternals was always $$ , their sysinternal equivs were free |
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| 15:34.48 | enouf | nvz ... no mas eh? |
| 15:34.52 | nvz | enouf: yeah well IIRC from what I read on the google news microsoft not only bought them but they are going to include them into windows now |
| 15:35.02 | troubled | nvz: who is bryce cogswell? |
| 15:35.08 | DogWater | so there are no custom installers for debian? |
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| 15:36.13 | nvz | troubled: Bryce Cogswell and Mark Russinovich are the sole creators of sysinternals and Bryce is the CTO at Winternals |
| 15:36.33 | nvz | I guess microsoft just bought winternals *shrug* there isnt any M$ logo feces on sysinternals.com |
| 15:36.37 | enouf | nvz: they need them anyway - hehehe - so wonder how long that'll last - like all those other AV apps/comps |
| 15:36.38 | troubled | nvz: sorry, heard of the companies, no idea wtf they do/make |
| 15:36.54 | troubled | nvz: benchmark/util stuff? |
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| 15:37.20 | enouf | troubled : see yourself sysinternals.com |
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| 15:37.49 | nvz | troubled: yeah they have tons of utils.. I've only used the free ones on sysinternals.com they have a nice process manager that blows the one in windows away shows it in tree form, color coded, will do things like string searching.. cool for malware to ttry identify its source.. etc |
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| 15:37.59 | troubled | nvz: cool |
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| 15:38.13 | nvz | troubled: got real-time monitors for files, registry, ports, tcp connections.. |
| 15:38.19 | troubled | nvz: i may have some tools from there. might be why i recognized it |
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| 15:39.08 | enouf | whacks troubled with a dunce cap |
| 15:39.12 | nvz | troubled: tcpview is probably my favorite but I use a number of them when I have to fix a windows pc tcpview lets me see where the malware is phoning home, and the string search lets me dig for clues |
| 15:39.13 | jerome | "Sysinternals LLC ("Sysinternals"), a wholly-owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation, is committed to protecting your privacy. " doh. |
| 15:39.24 | nvz | jerome: heh |
| 15:40.03 | enouf | is committed to protecting your privacy. " << --- Bwahahaha and M00!! |
| 15:40.30 | ofer0 | Maybe they use Debian. |
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| 15:40.43 | jerome | Maybe they don't. |
| 15:41.12 | pickcoder | being committed to something is apart from actually acting on it |
| 15:41.28 | nvz | muaddib: well fwatch is the first hit I find on my debian repo allows kernel level monitoring of file access |
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| 15:42.48 | lhds | i am entring this debootstrap --arch i386 sid /mnt/buildroot on my usb drive to install debian kernel but i am under ubuntu and its redirecting me to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/sid/Release and saying failed getting release file ... infact i want debian kernel into the usb.. i knew that i can debootstrap a url so what url should i dbootstrap to install a debian flavour? |
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| 15:43.19 | troubled | nvz: toolbarcop might be of interest to you (ot) |
| 15:43.22 | nvz | muaddib: yeah thats the best I can find.. it doesnt say in the description that its designed to log, but I am sure its doable if the program can get the info you are looking for |
| 15:43.36 | nvz | troubled: wtf is it, and why would it be interest of mine? |
| 15:43.38 | CrippsFX | I have a system running debian with no Xserver ... is it possible for me to change my settings so that the default color for text is green? |
| 15:43.55 | lhds | muaddib in what moovie was that name? incredible moovie |
| 15:44.08 | troubled | nvz: shows you browser helper objects in IE. usually its needed to get rid of spyware im my experiences |
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| 15:44.27 | fireba11 | CrippsFX: of course |
| 15:44.27 | enouf | troubled: ? ...wherefore art thou troubled ? ahhh there it is ? |
| 15:44.29 | troubled | nvz: i just like that you dont need to install it, just run it and poof |
| 15:44.39 | troubled | enouf: yeeeeesss? :) |
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| 15:44.50 | CrippsFX | fireba11, cARE TO POINT ME TO A GOOD REFERENCE? |
| 15:44.55 | CrippsFX | damn. sorry caps |
| 15:45.11 | enouf | troubled: ? afraid you may have gotten offended at the hat whacking :-p |
| 15:45.14 | troubled | enouf: will |
| 15:45.18 | troubled | enouf: you quit it lol |
| 15:45.32 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:45.35 | nvz | troubled: yeah I am an old fashion bug hunter.. I havent used windows since 98.. I've been 100% debian for about 6 years now. I havent had windows on any of my machines in years no need for it. its just an aggrivation. |
| 15:45.40 | troubled | enouf: what hat whacking now? |
| 15:45.47 | troubled | not followin ya there |
| 15:46.07 | lhds | is there any other option than using dbootstrap? |
| 15:46.20 | fireba11 | CrippsFX .bashrc |
| 15:46.28 | nvz | troubled: I rather look at the signs at the lowest level, file, network, process monitoring..etc then trust the fancy automagic removal tools.. I try dig around and figure out where it came from, and who its sending info back to |
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| 15:47.05 | troubled | nvz: my machine always ad/spy free (short of someone installing a rootkit when i aint home...) so I never need anything, but when you got familiy, I usually get sucked into fixing their boxen on a regular basis |
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| 15:47.12 | CrippsFX | fireba11, is that behaviour also defined globally in the global bashrc? |
| 15:47.23 | enouf | nvz: exact same for me - except the 6yr debian part .. but once in a while - others need a fixing, but I'm way too lazy to mess with those tools and try to sort out ms's mess - so I wipe any/all NT and install Deb ;-) |
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| 15:47.53 | enouf | n |
| 15:47.53 | enouf | [11:35:06] <enouf> whacks troubled with a dunce cap |
| 15:47.59 | enouf | ^^^ |
| 15:48.05 | troubled | nvz: ahh, yes, ethereal for win32 is my tool of choise there. but really, it only stops the most pathetic of spyware if you run it on the local machine itself |
| 15:48.22 | nvz | muaddib: seems fwatch hooks up to a special device node /dev/fwatch so you could easily manipulate that to suit your needs. if you need any more help about logging facilities monitoring daemons, scripting techniques to make it all work I am sure we can collaborate and figure something out |
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| 15:48.42 | troubled | enouf: ahh. its ok, i used to use dunce for dialup anywas in windows 98 days :) |
| 15:49.41 | enouf | troubled: you and me both |
| 15:49.48 | nvz | enouf: well I dont go there.. more often than not forcing a windows user to use debian just results in a far greater need for technical help |
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| 15:50.34 | troubled | nvz: god tell me about it |
| 15:50.53 | nvz | enouf: I got my uncle using it because I noticed a pattern.. he goes and chats on yahoo about motorcycles, buys and sells on ebay harley parts and other things, and he looks at smut on the web.. and in doing this he collected all sorts of windows malware so I noticed in his case debian was suitable for his usage and could keep him safer online |
| 15:51.00 | troubled | nvz: you know its funny, my sis hard drive died. So as a temp solution I gave her a knoppix games cd ;) rofl |
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| 15:51.16 | enouf | nvz : understood - but I'd just rather not deal at all with them - I just get their box from being totally dead... back up to a ful crawl is all - let them figure it out.. |
| 15:51.20 | Orion78 | hi, I have weird problem, after a weekend I have noticed that two of my three NICs are dead in my workstation (2 are PCIs, 1 is on-board), after strugling a while (I have removed both PCIs) I have found out that my eth0 suddenly happend to be eth3 (dmesg shows that on modprobe it is still eth0). Any one here came across such a problem? |
| 15:51.21 | troubled | nvz: arent I evil :) |
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| 15:51.59 | enouf | nvz: yep |
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| 15:52.05 | Orion78 | so my problem basically is: modprobe shows in dmesg that I have eth0 interface while ifconfig -a shows that I have eth3 interface |
| 15:52.14 | elementz | guys: how do i uninstall using apt? |
| 15:52.22 | elementz | eg i need to uninstall psa |
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| 15:52.37 | nvz | enouf: my grandmother for example plays word games like flipwords that she bought, taipei (she doesnt like mahjongg), pays her bills online, and runs card shop programs to send out cards on every imaginable holiday to everyone she's ever known.. so debian doesnt work for her.. wouldnt work her HP all in one printer-scanner-copier-cardreader properly and doesnt have a fancy card studio |
| 15:52.39 | cydork | elementz: man apt-get |
| 15:52.43 | enouf | nvz: a liveCD is great for pr0n viewing |
| 15:52.47 | jfletcher[mac] | apt-get remove |
| 15:52.57 | troubled | elementz: when did you turn into the channel troll? |
| 15:53.00 | elementz | jfletcher[mac]: thx |
| 15:53.04 | enouf | nvz: yep ... correct there too |
| 15:53.04 | cydork | !fishing |
| 15:53.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
| 15:53.08 | elementz | troubled: what? |
| 15:53.12 | cydork | jfletcher[mac]: ^^ |
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| 15:53.38 | elementz | troubled: because i ask random questions? whats wrong with that? |
| 15:53.41 | sdf313 | is there a way to zip a folder and not to include in the zip files that are more than half mb? |
| 15:54.10 | troubled | elementz: you sure you werent frequently here aabout 2 years ago when I was regular? |
| 15:54.23 | troubled | your name rings a bell |
| 15:54.30 | cydork | troubled: i dont think so :) |
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| 15:54.47 | troubled | cydork: i still think its worth checking the logs on that one.... |
| 15:54.51 | sdf313 | or just to zip folder without .swf files ? |
| 15:54.55 | elementz | troubled: sry bout i think you mistake me here |
| 15:55.06 | SNIa | I get an error when trying to pop "chdir Maildir failed" I'm using postfix and courier-pop |
| 15:55.07 | nvz | enouf: so you really got to think about peoples usage, hardware, and learning abilities when cramming debian on their pc. I am trying to study the linux kernel and I aim to move someday to embedded systems development I am thinking along the lines that every problem can be solved by some little embedded linux system that is perhaps network attached.. we already got millions of these things out there.. router/firewalls network attac |
| 15:55.14 | elementz | troubled: just started using deb bout 2 weeks ago |
| 15:55.21 | enouf | Orion78: some sick Udev rules ? |
| 15:55.44 | troubled | elementz: seem to recall someone I knew with a name like elementZ or something years back |
| 15:55.58 | enouf | nvz: good thinking - I |
| 15:56.02 | elementz | troubled: well it wasn't me - period! |
| 15:56.20 | enouf | 'm also learning but too old for windoze users anymore |
| 15:56.21 | troubled | elementz: k |
| 15:56.23 | elementz | 2 yrs ago i didn't even know about irc |
| 15:56.24 | enouf | doh! |
| 15:56.30 | nvz | enouf: so in effect you seemlessly integrate all the power and security into what they are used to and they never have to understand linux and you never have to understand windows the two co-exist in harmony speaking the same protocol |
| 15:57.03 | elementz | troubled: hope we settled that for good now ;-) |
| 15:57.23 | nvz | enouf: I am talking about the very difference between synergy and antagonism here.. dont be an antagonist.. if you implement debian, do it synergisticly |
| 15:57.30 | troubled | elementz: ill tell you when I get the logs from piggy for the last 4 or 5 years |
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| 15:57.41 | elementz | troubled: lol |
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| 15:57.47 | elementz | o that |
| 15:57.48 | troubled | sussudio: wake up :) me need piggy logs :) |
| 15:57.53 | elementz | *do |
| 15:58.09 | enouf | nvz: ...but I like antagonizing :-( |
| 15:58.15 | enouf | <jk> |
| 15:58.21 | troubled | hmm, seems im "comrade troubled" on debstats :/ |
| 15:58.35 | troubled | im not russian! |
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| 15:59.04 | elementz | troubled: the least thing i want to become is a troll - so if there's something about the way i can improve on the way i ask my questions pls tell me... |
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| 15:59.09 | AndroidData | hi. I have a html form which when submitted is supposed to send an e-mail to me. I only have access to a "shell" instruction which will only accept non-interactive commands. Is there anyway to use sendmail (or something else) to send mail? Note that I can make files (so I could like, make a file with the contents of the message and headers), but I don't know how to send files to sendmail |
| 15:59.54 | troubled | elementz: look at it from my point of view, if you were someone I knew from 2002/03, i would be after a kline for being a fucktard troll |
| 16:00.01 | Orion78 | enouf: udev look normal to me, but I am no expert |
| 16:00.07 | troubled | elementz: but obviously I mistaken you for someone else |
| 16:00.08 | bronze | AndroidData: yes, sendmail can do it., also mutt |
| 16:00.12 | pickcoder | AndriodData: man sendmail |
| 16:00.13 | bronze | see the man pages |
| 16:00.28 | nvz | enouf: yeah well you'll find out karma is a bitch. and that mentality is similar to people who say I dont care about security so its not important to me.. meanwhile they got a fat fiber optic line comming in their house and leave their pc on all day for the whole world to use to do whatever evil they wish.. being on a network means security isnt just about you. |
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| 16:00.52 | troubled | elementz: only cause someone that was here for 4 years should know all the stuff you ask. sorry, you tripped my troll detection system (falsely) :) |
| 16:01.07 | AndroidData | yeah tried that |
| 16:01.08 | enouf | nvz: Unless you get some sort of VM hypervisor status for those boxen the data is always going to be need rescuing at some point on windoze boxen - but if you can setup a whole Network yourself that only allows windoze running in a VM , maybe you got something there :0 |
| 16:01.10 | elementz | troubled: yep - but what's a kline? that an english term? |
| 16:01.15 | elementz | troubled: np |
| 16:01.37 | pickcoder | AndriodData: I send mail out all the time with sendmail, using generated files |
| 16:01.54 | nvz | enouf: in the same sense creating synergy or antagonism effects you too. When you create synergy your combined efforts are greater than your separate efforts when you generate antagonism your efforts yeild far less. |
| 16:02.00 | AndroidData | ya but how do I make it read the file instead? |
| 16:02.10 | pickcoder | AndriodData: man sendmail |
| 16:02.12 | enouf | Orion78 - neither am I - just know that you can set up the rules/rules.d file to always name/associate a specific device the same interface |
| 16:02.20 | AndroidData | I did! It's all gibberish! |
| 16:02.24 | pickcoder | elementz: kline for IRC? |
| 16:02.30 | master_of_master | hi, how can I set (a alsa sound-) card #1 to card #0 (there is no #0, because the modules were removed) |
| 16:02.33 | AndroidData | -bF <filename>? |
| 16:02.36 | pickcoder | AndriodData: there's plenty of HTML man pages on the web |
| 16:02.37 | enouf | nvz: easy there grasshopper :-p |
| 16:02.48 | enouf | <jk> |
| 16:02.55 | elementz | pickcoder: kline = irc? |
| 16:03.15 | pickcoder | elementz: I'm asking if you are asking what is a kline, regarding IRC or something else |
| 16:03.17 | enouf | nvz: you have good points no doubt ... I'm just a bit tired now is all -- :-) |
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| 16:03.35 | alephant | Where can I get the .config used to build the stock Debian kernel? |
| 16:03.44 | nvz | enouf: yeah well I probably should be tired but I am trying not to sleep my life away like I always do |
| 16:03.52 | elementz | pickcoder: well troubled used that term - guess he referred to soemthing in irc |
| 16:04.09 | elementz | nevermind though |
| 16:04.43 | enouf | nvz: punchy might be a better description for me - but NO ... no synergy with windoze ..NEVER!!! - hehehe, hold the forts boys! |
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| 16:04.53 | pickcoder | elementz: kline in IRC is a kill line |
| 16:04.54 | troubled | elementz: no idea what they call it these days. but a friendly ircop should be able to help answer that |
| 16:05.03 | nvz | I've been sleeping all my time off work cause I have nothing better to do.. no money, very little to eat so staying awake is damn near pointless.. usually I am satisfied solving simple issues in here.. but lately my damn back. neck and shoulders have been causing me so much pain I cant stand to even sit here.. but I feel alright at the moment |
| 16:05.08 | pickcoder | elementz: it's normally a host mask that the IRC server prevents connections from |
| 16:05.23 | troubled | pickcoder: speak from experience? heh |
| 16:05.30 | elementz | ahaa |
| 16:05.34 | pickcoder | I run an IRC server |
| 16:05.48 | pickcoder | olines are operator lines for IRC Operators |
| 16:05.50 | elementz | thx for filling me in |
| 16:05.53 | troubled | pickcoder: dancerd? or that even what freenode runnin these days? |
| 16:06.03 | pickcoder | I run a mod'd version of Bahamit |
| 16:06.06 | pickcoder | s/mit/mut |
| 16:06.14 | nvz | enouf: have you ever messed with the synergy package? its awesome. you can have all your boxes playing together.. FreeBSD, OS X, Debian, Windows.. |
| 16:06.22 | enouf | nvz: hey now - you get out and get some exercise , enjoy the view, see the world - glad you fell ok though |
| 16:06.27 | enouf | feel* |
| 16:06.51 | enouf | nvz: that's actually a pkg name ? |
| 16:07.08 | enouf | nvz: all you need is a network |
| 16:07.17 | troubled | pickcoder: curious, single node ircd? |
| 16:07.19 | madclicker | need help to test a ftp server. Can i use bash and lftp to do a 10 consecutive upload to a ftp server? |
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| 16:07.57 | troubled | madclicker: need someone to test your ftp what your askin with uploads? |
| 16:07.58 | pickcoder | troubled: networkable, but I'm not connected to any hubs. It's a private server. |
| 16:08.04 | PerfDave | madclicker: I don't know, can you? :) |
| 16:08.12 | nvz | enouf: yeah we got into a car accident totaled a Subaru Legacy in december.. like the 3rd major car accident I've been in. hit a fire hydrant and then a telephone pole. I just recently in the past few months started feeling the effects.. I think doing all that roofing and heavy labor is what made it hurt.. I was already all crooked and all I did was make it worse. I need to go see one of them chiropractors. |
| 16:08.16 | madclicker | :) |
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| 16:08.19 | s-toned | umlauts with smbclient and smb:/ in konqueror work fine; smbmount does not; why is that? |
| 16:08.34 | pickcoder | troubled: bahamut is Dalnet's server software |
| 16:08.51 | troubled | pickcoder: cool. always wanted a personal t3 for a freenode link when I retire myself :) |
| 16:09.04 | madclicker | I need to upload ten times the same file to a server. Apperently it's a microsoft ftp server and my clients are getting a "broken pipe" error |
| 16:09.22 | troubled | pickcoder: ahh, been there before. loved the chan/nick serv since i was efnet back in the day |
| 16:09.46 | pickcoder | troubled: I'm running sirv services with it. I've hacked it all up too. |
| 16:09.52 | nvz | enouf: synergy lets you share a single keyboard and mouse across virutally infinate number of pcs using any OS that can run it. you program the config to where the monitors are in relation to one another and when you scroll of the edge it goes onto the next system seemlessly from OS X Desktop right onto Windows, and into Linux just like that |
| 16:10.09 | enouf | nvz: drats -- who's been driving - car accidents suck; especially when severely unexpected happens like you don't even see the vehicle that's about to plow into you |
| 16:10.11 | pickcoder | troubled: We used to have a channel bot that hooked into picksource.com |
| 16:10.23 | enouf | unexpected events* |
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| 16:10.25 | elementz | anybody here got experience with PLESK? |
| 16:10.32 | troubled | pickcoder: never heard of it |
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| 16:10.48 | elementz | on debian i mean |
| 16:11.17 | enouf | nvz: like a KVM I guess -- oh yes - I've heard of synergy -- now i recall |
| 16:11.29 | AndroidData | I really can't find it. |
| 16:11.36 | enouf | smacks himself witht the same dunce cap used to beat troubled with |
| 16:11.40 | nvz | enouf: yeah my 2nd car accident was going through a 4way intersection and a small car doing 45 in a 25 ran the stop sign and had our van on two wheels that was the least serious one for me.. the first one damn near killed me and we were only going 5mph turning a bend out of a stop sign in that one and I fell out. |
| 16:12.10 | enouf | nvz: f**k! |
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| 16:12.34 | enouf | nvz: don;t do that :-) |
| 16:12.47 | AndroidData | what do I search for? |
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| 16:13.41 | pickcoder | Andriod:Data: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/sendmail.8.html |
| 16:14.02 | nvz | enouf: yeah I was picked up after 1st grade one day and was all tired after school and fell asleep in the truck and the bottom of the seat belt was apperently caught in the door and I had my head on it.. I fell out a few blocks away from my house going about 5mph and was out cold for over a week got life flighted to childrens hospital in pittsburgh they said my brain was swelling and had nowhere to go and I was going to die |
| 16:14.29 | enouf | nvz: you seem to have a nice setup there for testing various apps/scripts/websites/pages across diff platforms using various versions -- make a TON of $$ doing that then for yourself - and buy a small island in the south pacific ;-) |
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| 16:16.03 | pickcoder | AndriodData: A big hint is that sendmail doesn't have a flag to read the message - just the headers. You have to redirect the entire file into sendmail, which may look like "sendmail [options] < /tmp/myfile.txt |
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| 16:16.09 | abrotman | if he moves to south pacific .. i'm goign with him |
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| 16:16.41 | AndroidData | Finally! |
| 16:16.43 | enouf | nvz: I know people with ruined vertebrate from car accidents - their nervous systems are shot, and they live in pain most the time -- that sux |
| 16:16.44 | AndroidData | thanks pick |
| 16:16.45 | AndroidData | <_< |
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| 16:17.26 | nvz | enouf: but I came out of a coma early morning on mothers day and they brought some toys and video games of mine and were telling me stuff about them and I began to remember and made a full recovery.. just had to be doped up and have routine cat scans for awhile. I dont know how many times I can cheat death but I get the feeling I am running out of lives. |
| 16:18.22 | pickcoder | enouf: I know the feeling. I have a reversed curve in my neck from a 55MPH rear ender |
| 16:18.41 | enouf | nvz: just hang in there and know that the 1st grade accident was NOT your fault ... but time to move on ... I'm almost ready to start crying or bowing, not sure which one :-0 |
| 16:18.53 | enouf | pickcoder: yikes ...how you coping ? |
| 16:18.59 | pickcoder | enouf: we were stopped and there wasn't much left of the truck that hit us |
| 16:19.01 | nvz | I should have been dead so many times its just rediculous.. I should be shot full of holes with a .45 cal handgun, AR-15, and a Desert Eagle at the bottom of indian creek, or comatose in the hospital..etc..etc |
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| 16:19.16 | enouf | pickcoder: yep that's the one that |
| 16:19.17 | nvz | I've cheated death more than any cat. |
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| 16:19.18 | spectre__ | which package is pyversions in? |
| 16:19.28 | spectre__ | python has got in a hell of a state |
| 16:19.30 | enouf | ''ll fsck up your neck ! |
| 16:19.36 | spectre__ | (sid) |
| 16:19.47 | pickcoder | enouf: we were in a 1976 Chevelle |
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| 16:20.04 | pickcoder | lots of metal! |
| 16:20.04 | enouf | sorrry i keep hitting Enter ..this stupid keyboard has an enter key that takes uyp 5 friggin spaces |
| 16:20.29 | enouf | pickcoder: ahhh ...great at the airports and courthouses :-) |
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| 16:20.52 | nvz | almost every keyboard I seen the enter key takes up 3-5 spaces compared to the little square keys |
| 16:21.31 | enouf | nvz: I'm used to a 3 spacer - this is a replaaement |
| 16:21.41 | enouf | replacement* |
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| 16:21.50 | enouf | plus in general I can;t type for shit |
| 16:22.06 | nvz | yeah I am working on a replacement keyboard right now.. has a huge enter key and the fucking \ is below it instead of above it which totally aggrivates me |
| 16:22.34 | nvz | I reach up there to hit it and hit enter instead and run some shell command that should have been piped and is now just spewing on my console |
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| 16:22.42 | Susie86 | Hi, what does "ERROR: No pty`s available" mean? |
| 16:22.57 | enouf | 3spacer all on the same row - this stupid thing encompasses 2 rows - and at the cost of losing the \ key and not having a larger Backspace key - ouch |
| 16:22.57 | nvz | Susie86: means there are no pty's available |
| 16:23.07 | Susie86 | nvz, in that case |
| 16:23.11 | Susie86 | How do I amend it. |
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| 16:23.42 | nvz | Susie86: well you either kill some pty's or you recompile your kernel and raise the maximum which will cost you memory in the process |
| 16:23.53 | Susie86 | I don't actually get what a pty is |
| 16:23.58 | Susie86 | How could I kill one? |
| 16:24.00 | msoul | Hmmmm, got Fatal server error |
| 16:24.02 | nvz | Susie86: should already be set to like 256 or something which is reasonable |
| 16:24.15 | msoul | failed to load module fbdev, vesa, vga, mouse |
| 16:24.19 | msoul | how can I change that? |
| 16:24.21 | Susie86 | how do I kill a pty? What is a pty? |
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| 16:24.32 | Susie86 | I've looked it up, don't quite undertstand thugh |
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| 16:24.34 | Susie86 | though |
| 16:24.41 | nvz | Susie86: as I recally a pty is a psuedo terminal any time you login on a console, or x-terminal-emulator or create a new screen in gnu screen..etc. it uses a pty |
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| 16:25.11 | nvz | Susie86: its a mechanism through which you recieve output on the screen and return input from the keyboard |
| 16:26.23 | nvz | ack I just realized something _is_ wrong on my system |
| 16:26.27 | msoul | Can I get an explanation? |
| 16:26.45 | msoul | or a link to solve the error |
| 16:26.51 | nvz | I knew something was weird when the time shifted like several hours the other day and it wasnt consistant with my drift |
| 16:27.20 | Susie86 | nvz, how do I kill a pty then? |
| 16:27.21 | enouf | nvz: huh? |
| 16:27.22 | nvz | I got like 20 giftd processes as root with a state Z using 0 mem or cpu |
| 16:27.27 | Susie86 | They are running as background processes |
| 16:27.34 | AndroidData | any means of setting the name of the e-mailaddress? |
| 16:27.34 | Susie86 | I mean |
| 16:27.39 | Susie86 | Listening on ports |
| 16:27.41 | nvz | I've never run giftd as root, and I havent ran giftd in a while |
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| 16:27.45 | AndroidData | sendmail -F <string> is supposed to do this but it's skipping that since I'm using -t |
| 16:27.46 | enouf | nvz: giftd = presents ? |
| 16:27.58 | enouf | ;-p |
| 16:28.05 | AndroidData | and if I search for "sendmail From headers" I only get anti-spam sites. :\ |
| 16:28.06 | nvz | enouf: heh its a p2p daemon |
| 16:28.39 | enouf | ok |
| 16:28.40 | msoul | How can I solve the Fatal server error? |
| 16:28.56 | msoul | failed to load modules, vesa, mouse, fbdev, vga |
| 16:28.56 | dbe | Which kernel-image should I install for Intel Centurio? |
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| 16:28.57 | Susie86 | how do I kill the ptys? |
| 16:29.05 | nvz | apollon seemed to be the culprait of that incident.. |
| 16:29.07 | Susie86 | They are listening on ports, not Windows for me on x |
| 16:29.12 | AndroidData | oh mnvm |
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| 16:29.31 | dbe | PPro/Celeron? |
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| 16:29.56 | Edwin_Quijada | I did a dialup conection to internet using wvdial and I get the ip for ppp0 but I cant navigate |
| 16:29.58 | Edwin_Quijada | ? |
| 16:30.02 | Edwin_Quijada | anu cluees? |
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| 16:30.10 | enouf | dbe: Centrino? or Centurion... |
| 16:30.28 | dbe | enouf, Centrino, sorry |
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| 16:30.45 | enouf | dbe: yah use a 686 image |
| 16:30.56 | msoul | none of you guys is willing to help? |
| 16:30.58 | nvz | ack how could I not realize I got this many runaway processes |
| 16:31.07 | PerfDave | Oh good, |
| 16:31.10 | dbe | enouf, I know, but 2.6.8-3-686 or 2.6.8-2-686 ? |
| 16:31.10 | Susie86 | how do I kill the ptys? |
| 16:31.14 | enouf | nvz: too much RAM :-p |
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| 16:31.27 | enouf | msoul: I don;t know |
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| 16:31.47 | sergino | Ok Jair |
| 16:31.50 | enouf | Susie86: lemme scroll up a bit |
| 16:31.52 | msoul | ench0: thankyou for responding |
| 16:32.00 | msoul | err, enouf |
| 16:32.00 | nvz | enouf: I only got like 128 on this box.. and I just killed like 50+ processes |
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| 16:32.46 | Edwin_Quijada | I am using a dialup coneection to internet but i cant navigate |
| 16:33.15 | dbe | enouf, can you look at apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6,8 |
| 16:33.19 | dbe | enouf, can you look at apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6,8 |
| 16:33.23 | Edwin_Quijada | i must do something to can navigate |
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| 16:34.06 | madclicker | is there a mac channel on freenode? |
| 16:34.09 | enouf | dbe: that's good - for Sarge (also start substituting linux-image instead) |
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| 16:34.45 | dbe | enouf, I know. |
| 16:34.49 | enouf | nvz: oh yeah you said no RAM or instances wer running right ? ... no gift horses looking in your mouth - hehe |
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| 16:34.58 | dbe | enouf, But what do you think is suitable for Centrino? |
| 16:35.02 | enouf | dbe: know what? |
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| 16:35.20 | enouf | dbe: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:35.23 | dbe | enouf, linux-image |
| 16:35.28 | enouf | ok |
| 16:36.24 | dbe | enouf, I just installed it, reboot |
| 16:36.24 | enouf | for sarge |
| 16:36.24 | dbe | Yes |
| 16:36.24 | nvz | I dont even use giftd anymore I was fooling around with it just to see what plugins were currently working/not working. there are still only 4 that are functional but I can only get two of them to work for me |
| 16:36.25 | enouf | Yes |
| 16:36.25 | dbe | enouf, kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:36.25 | enouf | Yes |
| 16:36.25 | Susie86 | Okay |
| 16:36.27 | dbe | enouf, Kernel panic |
| 16:36.27 | Susie86 | So can anyone help? |
| 16:36.39 | Susie86 | I just need to kill all the perl processes running |
| 16:36.53 | nvz | killall perl |
| 16:37.08 | Susie86 | nvz |
| 16:37.10 | Susie86 | Done that |
| 16:37.13 | dbe | enouf, /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 16:37.13 | Susie86 | The bastards just won't die |
| 16:37.15 | Susie86 | Like rambo |
| 16:37.19 | nvz | heh |
| 16:37.40 | Susie86 | This is so frustrating =/ |
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| 16:37.45 | enouf | dbe: wtf? |
| 16:37.45 | nvz | Susie86: then teach them a lesson in a threatening manner and hope they fall in line |
| 16:37.53 | tdi | re |
| 16:37.57 | PerfDave | killall -9 perl? |
| 16:38.10 | nvz | PerfDave: I was thinking more along the lines of killing their parents |
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| 16:38.16 | enouf | Susie86 ; well if tty is terminal type than pty must be port type ? |
| 16:38.27 | raghu206 | Could not open location; You may not have permission to open the file. how to overcome this error in totem |
| 16:38.30 | chris_abyi | hey.. I got some problem: Acturally, I got kernel 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp installed and planned to install linux-image-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp from backports.org. Unfortunately, he wants to remove my grub and install lilo instead - why?? |
| 16:38.36 | nvz | those giftd processes I just had wouldnt die either, but when I killed their parent they all dissapeared |
| 16:38.44 | Susie86 | PerfDave, what is the -9? |
| 16:38.46 | dbe | Susie86, Susy Thunder ;) |
| 16:38.53 | enouf | dbe : I mean you need to give context |
| 16:39.04 | PerfDave | Susie86: SIGKILL |
| 16:39.11 | enouf | -9 = die! |
| 16:39.13 | dbe | enouf, What do you need to know |
| 16:39.31 | enouf | dbe : whatever you'd like to tell me :-) |
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| 16:39.36 | nvz | Susie86: -9 is a Signal 9 SIGKILL instructs the process to commit suicide and not clean up the mess |
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| 16:39.45 | Susie86 | okay |
| 16:39.46 | Susie86 | Even that |
| 16:39.49 | Susie86 | Did not kill it |
| 16:39.52 | Susie86 | ffs |
| 16:39.52 | Susie86 | XD |
| 16:39.57 | dbe | Susie86, Susy Thunder was Mitnicks girlfriend and Mitnick continues to claim that his treatment was unfair and has alleged that at one time he was held in solitary confinement for 8 months because his girlfriend Suzy Thunder told authorities Mitnick could cause a nuclear attack by whistling into a phone. |
| 16:39.59 | aarkerio | Hi! Somebody knows where can I get the last virus for PC? |
| 16:40.00 | PerfDave | !tell Susie86 about enter |
| 16:40.13 | Susie86 | dbe, LOL |
| 16:40.16 | dbe | =) |
| 16:40.19 | nvz | Susie86: kill its parents for having forked them in the first place |
| 16:40.36 | dbe | enouf, Well, how do we solve this? =) |
| 16:41.02 | enouf | dbe : well - you could install Debian :-) |
| 16:41.02 | dbe | enouf, It's not the first time I have problem with this laptop and it has all to do with the processor. |
| 16:41.21 | dbe | enouf, I _have_ sarge stable installed. |
| 16:41.24 | enouf | dbe: need hardware info ...not just 'centrino' |
| 16:41.33 | dbe | w |
| 16:42.02 | Susie86 | nvz, kill me? :O |
| 16:42.03 | Susie86 | =P |
| 16:42.38 | enouf | dbe: what's the problem ? All i know is you asked me which kernel to use - there are many you could use - but safest is 2.6.8-3-686 - that's why I said ok |
| 16:42.40 | DocOC | !kill Susie86 |
| 16:43.03 | enouf | DocOC ...makes enouf fall off chair |
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| 16:44.34 | enouf | steps on Susie86 in high pursuit of cydork's new found booty |
| 16:44.54 | enouf | ermm ..that didn't sound right |
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| 16:46.23 | dbe | enouf, Intel Pentium M processor 1.86Ghz (Centrino Mobile technology) |
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| 16:49.05 | cydork | hehehe |
| 16:49.13 | enouf | dbe: ok - and was sarge ever running welll on that ? which kernel was working? |
| 16:49.27 | dbe | enouf, The default. |
| 16:49.44 | enouf | dbe: ok reinstall the default kernel |
| 16:50.06 | dbe | enouf, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:50.16 | dbe | enouf, It's in place allready |
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| 16:50.21 | enouf | dbe: Why are you asking which kernel anyways - if Sarge is already installed ? |
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| 16:50.38 | enouf | dbe:Oh....now you say ... |
| 16:50.58 | enouf | dbe: you had 2.4.27-2-386 running on that thang ? |
| 16:51.20 | dbe | enouf, yes, it's running right now. |
| 16:51.41 | nvz | I cant figure out why gdm is spawning two processes. I never noticed that happen before |
| 16:51.44 | enouf | dbe: hmm... and your'e tryng to upgrade the kernel - and that's te only issue ? |
| 16:52.01 | enouf | too many typos to correct |
| 16:52.22 | dbe | enouf, Yes. |
| 16:52.36 | enouf | goes with nvz to investigate as well ,,, carries a large stick |
| 16:53.04 | dbe | enouf, Mandriva as the first officially-supported Linux distribution on Intel Centrino mobile technology (Friday October 14 2005) |
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| 16:53.15 | dbe | enouf, Do you think Sarge even supports it? |
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| 16:53.43 | enouf | dbe: whioa whaoa whoa ... whooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaa nelly! what ? |
| 16:53.44 | dbe | enouf, It does by default, but I mean the 2.6 kernels |
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| 16:54.43 | enouf | dbe : you're using Mandriva now ? |
| 16:54.48 | dbe | enouf, No. |
| 16:55.03 | dbe | enouf, I read about this at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#External_links |
| 16:55.18 | enouf | dbe: so you have Sarge installed ? |
| 16:55.25 | dbe | enouf, Yesssss |
| 16:55.45 | enouf | dbe: what's 'cat /etc/debian_version' say |
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| 16:56.21 | dbe | 3.1 of course |
| 16:56.42 | enouf | dbe: when's last time you did 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ? |
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| 16:57.06 | dbe | enouf, some days ago |
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| 16:58.03 | Susie86 | rofl |
| 16:58.07 | Susie86 | I sorted my god damn problem xD |
| 16:58.19 | Susie86 | I had to kill the forking processes |
| 16:58.23 | Susie86 | Whoever said that as right <3 |
| 16:58.25 | Susie86 | was^ |
| 16:58.27 | cat | i wonder is there any way i can see videos with my cam corder, it has a usb |
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| 16:58.30 | DocOC | god-damn congratulations. Damn. |
| 16:58.33 | cat | but i haven't used it thought |
| 16:59.28 | enouf | dbe: might want to try it again - but know I'm not too knowledgeable about moving from 2.4 - 2.6 kernels - see /msg dpkg upgrade sarge |
| 16:59.39 | enouf | !sarge upgrade |
| 16:59.39 | dpkg | i guess sarge upgrade is the recommended way to upgrade your system to stable. It is documented in the official release notes, found here. http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html |
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| 16:59.58 | enouf | !upgrade kernel |
| 16:59.58 | dpkg | ask me about <sarge upgrade kernel> <etch upgrade kernel> or <sid upgrade kernel> |
| 17:00.20 | dbe | enouf, should I apt-get remove the kernels and apt-get install them after the update |
| 17:00.39 | enouf | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 17:00.39 | dpkg | to upgrade your kernel in sarge run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <386> or <k7> etc. if you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 17:00.42 | Susie86 | Gotta love netinstall |
| 17:00.48 | Susie86 | I like to know which packages I am using |
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| 17:01.18 | enouf | dbe: you can KEEP your working kernels for however long you like |
| 17:01.44 | cydork | cat: do you see it in lsusb? |
| 17:01.56 | enouf | and you should keep them until you're certqain any all things work correctly (keep the old ones a few weeks) |
| 17:02.01 | cat | cydork: give me one second |
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| 17:04.35 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 17:04.39 | Laser | hi |
| 17:04.51 | Laser | does anyone use lvm? |
| 17:05.19 | Laser | u need to ask some things about its behaviour |
| 17:05.34 | cat | !lvm |
| 17:05.34 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 17:05.35 | cat | ;X |
| 17:05.56 | Laser | 10x |
| 17:06.42 | Laser | tell laser lvm_tutorial |
| 17:06.53 | cat | search it online |
| 17:06.56 | cat | !lvm tutorial |
| 17:07.02 | cat | no such |
| 17:07.16 | cydork | cat: it's lvm_tutorial |
| 17:07.17 | PerfDave | query dpkg |
| 17:07.30 | cydork | and use /msg |
| 17:07.33 | cusco | dudes I have a home server.. no X on it! what do I need to make a canon S450 work? dmesg recognises it and syas that no driver calims the USB device |
| 17:07.57 | cusco | what package should I install? |
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| 17:08.23 | cat | !lvm_tutorial |
| 17:08.24 | dpkg | well, lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 17:08.25 | cat | ;X |
| 17:08.45 | cat | cusco: have you try looking the driver up? |
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| 17:09.07 | cat | in google, or something? |
| 17:09.15 | cusco | cat according to linuxprinting.org gimp-print or cups driver will work |
| 17:09.23 | cat | right |
| 17:09.28 | cat | and what's the issue? |
| 17:09.29 | cusco | I don't know what package provides it tho |
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| 17:09.56 | cat | libgimpprint1 |
| 17:10.00 | cusco | according to apt-get gimp-print is a plugin for the gipm (which I don't want to install, as I don't want to install X) |
| 17:10.03 | cusco | right |
| 17:10.05 | cat | and gimp-print |
| 17:10.27 | bluesmoon | hi, does anyone have the ntfs-3g driver for kernel 2.6.12? |
| 17:10.36 | cat | !tell bluesmoon about ntfs |
| 17:11.11 | cydork | cusco: try lpadmin |
| 17:11.23 | abrotman | cat: that was useless |
| 17:11.26 | bluesmoon | i'm on a live cd, i can't compile anything, i have a read-only ntfs partition |
| 17:11.40 | Laser | cat: i have some more questions about it. i've read the whole thing |
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| 17:11.48 | bluesmoon | so all i need is the binary module that i can modprobe to mount my partition read-write |
| 17:11.51 | abrotman | bluesmoon: find a different liveCD .. and a channel that supports it |
| 17:11.56 | Laser | before i install that is |
| 17:12.17 | bluesmoon | abrotman, thanks |
| 17:12.32 | Laser | for example if i install a logical volume will i be able to add more partitions to it? |
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| 17:13.33 | WaLveRine | guys, can i run odbc for php just installing unixODBC ? (configuration it's apache2 + php 5.1.5 + postgresql 8.1) |
| 17:14.12 | abrotman | tried php5-odbc ? |
| 17:14.21 | WaLveRine | no |
| 17:14.28 | hdkiller | php5-odbc - ODBC module for php5 |
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| 17:14.34 | WaLveRine | let me see |
| 17:15.09 | WaLveRine | can i obtain it just typing |
| 17:15.20 | WaLveRine | apt-get install <something> |
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| 17:15.21 | WaLveRine | ? |
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| 17:15.35 | abrotman | apt-cache search php5 odbce |
| 17:15.38 | abrotman | apt-cache search php5 odbc |
| 17:16.11 | lhds | when i insert the usb it says hub.c new USB device 00 07 2-2 assigned address 4 |
| 17:16.14 | lhds | how to mount it? |
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| 17:16.19 | OllieD | you tell me |
| 17:16.24 | abrotman | !tell lhds about usb storage |
| 17:17.19 | blondie | type dmesg and look for the device name |
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| 17:17.41 | troubled | simonrvn: hey, you around? |
| 17:18.29 | jelly | how do I download only diff and dsc and not the source tar? |
| 17:18.40 | WaLveRine | wich is the best repostory for apt-get to select in apt-setup? |
| 17:18.41 | troubled | Laser: need lvm help? |
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| 17:19.05 | WaLveRine | i've just selected random source from the list |
| 17:19.21 | Laser | i only need for some questions to be answered |
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| 17:19.53 | cydork | WaLveRine: try apt-spy |
| 17:19.56 | troubled | Laser: shoot, see what I can do. I dont use that evm though or whetever its called. evms2 or something |
| 17:20.05 | du | hi all, anyone uses bluetooth with cellular ohone here? |
| 17:20.05 | Laser | when i install logical volumes can i add some more partition to a single volume? |
| 17:20.11 | kingsley | Unlike xmms, which mp3 player or players can share /dev/dsp? |
| 17:20.14 | Laser | and if i decide to resize is it ok with ext3 filesystem? |
| 17:20.37 | troubled | Laser: lv's are partitions in a way |
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| 17:20.51 | troubled | Laser: you add lv's to vg's based on pv's |
| 17:21.04 | troubled | Laser: volume groups, physical volumes |
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| 17:21.26 | Laser | and the last one. are there limits in the amount of how meny lv or vg i will add on a single pv? |
| 17:21.27 | troubled | Laser: a volume group consists of multiple physical volumes (real partitions). |
| 17:21.28 | du | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.57 | lhds | last time i did a mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb on another linux system but when i mount it it sais cant find ext2 filesystem on dev sd 8.00 |
| 17:22.04 | troubled | Laser: well, only 1 pv can belong to a vg. but you can have as many lv's you want |
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| 17:22.11 | acid | hi |
| 17:22.29 | moshii | lhds: you created an fs on /dev/sdb? |
| 17:22.31 | setog3 | kingsley: if you want to share /dev/dsp with multimedia device you need to use a tool like arts or esd .. |
| 17:22.34 | troubled | Laser: you can add like 10 driver/partitions to a volume group though and extend it as you see fit (or shrink) |
| 17:22.43 | moshii | lhds: you should have done it in a partition .. |
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| 17:23.06 | lhds | how is that? |
| 17:23.13 | Laser | but it depends on the filesystem right? |
| 17:23.21 | lhds | its reading in ubuntu |
| 17:23.25 | lhds | not in debian |
| 17:23.31 | troubled | Laser: example: you have hda2 and hdb2 as type lvm partitions. they are physical volumes. you make a volume group say called volumes that contains both of them |
| 17:23.41 | acid | I got a -big- problem : yesterday I shutdown my laptop using the power button. Now I got lots of ext3 errors in my /home and some on /. 'df -h' show 15GB used while 'du -sh' shows only 1.3 GB on /home |
| 17:24.00 | moshii | lhds: you should make an fs on /dev/sdb1 for example |
| 17:24.00 | acid | is there any means to retrieve the lost data ? |
| 17:24.00 | troubled | Laser: then you get a /dev/volumes dir. then you make as many logical volumes inside the vg volumes as you want |
| 17:24.06 | lhds | like makefs.ext2? |
| 17:24.09 | Laser | yes but can i have 2 vg on a 1 hard drive? |
| 17:24.13 | kingsley | setog3: artsd is running on my box. Can you explain how to use it so xmms shares /dev/dsp? |
| 17:24.35 | WaLveRine | i need to configure something to getting started with php5-odbc? |
| 17:24.38 | troubled | Laser: sure. dont see why you would want two diff named volumes, but thats your call. |
| 17:24.39 | lhds | mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb? |
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| 17:24.53 | Laser | lol. just asking. |
| 17:24.54 | troubled | Laser: but the pv's have to be 2 different partitions. |
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| 17:25.13 | lhds | how can i know what is the filesystem on my usb? |
| 17:25.14 | Laser | yes offcource |
| 17:25.17 | d03boy | is there a way to see which daemons are running? |
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| 17:25.36 | Edwin_Quijada | ps aux |
| 17:25.37 | troubled | Laser: so say hda2 and hda3, then you make say volume1 and volume2, each one only contains 1 physical volume, hda2 and hda3 respectively |
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| 17:26.03 | lhds | guys how to know what fs is on my sub stick? |
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| 17:26.16 | troubled | Laser: you can always shrink and remove em later. lvm is sweet that way. but lvm1 doesnt support realtime mounted resizing |
| 17:26.22 | lhds | fdisk -l? |
| 17:26.23 | acid | lhds it's surely fat |
| 17:26.27 | troubled | Laser: evms does though I think |
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| 17:26.40 | lhds | no i have reformated it man |
| 17:27.07 | lhds | its /dev/sdb1 * 1 1013 507990 83 Linux |
| 17:27.08 | Laser | in the stable debian we have lvm2 so it won't be a prob |
| 17:27.15 | lhds | shall i format it now? |
| 17:27.20 | troubled | Laser: also worth noting from experience, I find it handy to chop a drive up into multiple say 5 or 10gig partitions. This way if you need some non lvm space you can easier remove a chunk from the lvm and use for some other os without problems |
| 17:27.22 | acid | 83 is ext3 iirc |
| 17:27.33 | lhds | whats ext2? |
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| 17:27.41 | acid | check google |
| 17:28.00 | troubled | Laser: ya, lvm2 i think what I ran actually sorry. just not the enterprise volume crap (fucking assholes renamed all the commands, its pathetic!) |
| 17:28.06 | syntaxx | how can i remove cedega.deb? dpkg --purge cedega says cedega not installed |
| 17:28.17 | lhds | fstype sais ext2 in fdisk |
| 17:28.41 | acid | one more question, can you force the dl/reinstall of all the package of a system ? |
| 17:29.32 | troubled | Laser: so, to recap: say 100gig, make hda5, hda6, hda7. . . . hdaX as a crap load of 10gig lvm partitions and make those your pv's so you can steal one out of lvm with pvmove command if you need it for say windows or freebsd :) |
| 17:29.42 | lhds | it sais when i mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb is entire device, not just one partition! |
| 17:29.43 | lhds | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.39 | troubled | Laser: also, I advise you after a small minimal install to init 1 and make a usr, var and home lv in your main vg and cp -xa everything over and edit fstab |
| 17:30.43 | pickcoder | fs type 83 is Linux native so it can be either ext2 or ext3 |
| 17:31.03 | troubled | Laser: this way you can easily init 1 any time and grow or shrink ext2/3 fs's if you need more space |
| 17:31.55 | troubled | Laser: worth noting the commands to shrink and grow only work automatic with ext2/3. reiserfs you gotta pre shrink the fs with other tools before you shrink the lv, or you loose data! |
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| 17:32.33 | Laser | yes i understood |
| 17:32.49 | troubled | Laser: well, thats about it. hope you have nothing else to ask :) gl |
| 17:33.02 | d03boy | what do I do if i forgot my root pass? i dont ever remember changing it though :O |
| 17:33.07 | Laser | lol. i hope i don't mess things up totally :) |
| 17:33.12 | Laser | thanks alot. |
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| 17:33.38 | troubled | Laser: hehe np, you be fine, you already know all the acronyms, thats that hard part heh |
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| 17:35.18 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there a console tool available to tell me how much activity there is on my network card? (Transfer speed in kb/s) |
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| 17:35.35 | raz0 | d03boy, You can always boot from a live CD and change/reset the password in /etc/passwd as long as the filesystem isn't encrypted. :) |
| 17:35.44 | d03boy | hmm |
| 17:35.50 | d03boy | interesting |
| 17:35.55 | d03boy | i'm logged in as a regular user |
| 17:35.58 | Jemt | raz0: Is that possible with EXT3 file system ? |
| 17:36.18 | raz0 | I'd think, but I'm not sure. |
| 17:36.22 | Jemt | :-S |
| 17:36.23 | Jemt | Nasty |
| 17:36.33 | raz0 | Why would it not be possible with a EXT3 fs? |
| 17:36.39 | troubled | Jemt: for some reason im thinking traff something, sec |
| 17:36.50 | Jemt | troubled: Great, checking it out. Thanks |
| 17:36.57 | Jemt | raz0: Don't know :) |
| 17:36.57 | troubled | Jemt: iptraf? |
| 17:37.09 | Jemt | I thought Linux was secure out-of-the-box |
| 17:37.18 | troubled | roflmfao!!! |
| 17:37.27 | troubled | was never secure IN the box |
| 17:37.33 | Jemt | :p |
| 17:37.54 | pipeline | Jemt: Out of the box, debian has no exploitable services, so yes. |
| 17:38.00 | troubled | Jemt: well, reall its not linux so much as the distros |
| 17:38.09 | pipeline | raz0: Of course it's possible. |
| 17:38.12 | Jemt | Ah, ok |
| 17:38.16 | troubled | pipeline: ive heard MS say that too :) |
| 17:38.18 | acid | I got a -big- problem : yesterday I shutdown my laptop using the power button. Now I got lots of ext3 errors in my /home and some on /. 'df -h' show 15GB used while 'du -sh' shows only 1.3 GB on /home |
| 17:38.24 | Jemt | troubled: Yes, iptraf - thanks :) |
| 17:38.25 | pipeline | troubled: Well, talking about windows 2003, that's true. |
| 17:38.27 | troubled | Jemt: I think he means that there no open ports |
| 17:38.32 | troubled | Jemt: np |
| 17:38.32 | pipeline | troubled: Before 2003, not so much. |
| 17:38.37 | acid | is there any means to retrieve the lost data other than refomating the partition ? |
| 17:38.42 | pipeline | troubled, Jemt : Debian has a handful of open ports. ssh is enabled by default. |
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| 17:38.51 | Coweater | ssh is not |
| 17:39.01 | troubled | pipeline: not with etch it seems |
| 17:39.02 | Jemt | pipeline: I know |
| 17:39.27 | troubled | i think inetd and no firewall is what could cause problems with debian |
| 17:39.29 | blondie | ssh isn't installed as standard, let alone enabled |
| 17:39.44 | blondie | (at least, not in Etch...) |
| 17:40.04 | abrotman | pipeline: eh .. no |
| 17:40.18 | raz0 | Okay. We got it! No need for 6 people to correct him. :P |
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| 17:40.30 | abrotman | raz0: zip it |
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| 17:40.48 | dusty_ | Hey guys im trying to run azureus under kubuntu when i run it it starts (i can see it in ps aux | grep azureus) and it flashes the warnings up but its not on the taskbar and i have no way of brining the interface up anyone know what i can do? |
| 17:40.55 | troubled | well, ill admit, I doubt you could exploit debian from the net at least. locally? well, if you put Xorg on i wouldnt make any local accounts for buddies to say the least |
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| 17:43.09 | lhds | whats the equivalent of synaptic in prompt |
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| 17:43.25 | troubled | lhds: wasnt it aptitude? |
| 17:43.30 | lhds | yes than |
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| 17:43.39 | lhds | thanx |
| 17:43.42 | troubled | always hatted that crappy interface so I dont use it |
| 17:45.44 | troubled | unless they change it for etch, if so, my bad |
| 17:46.34 | jelly | troubled: do you just want the dialog-like layout/colors or something else? |
| 17:46.53 | troubled | jelly: ya, the whole 1970'ish emacs interface sucks |
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| 17:47.15 | basix | is it safe to delete syslog or messages in the log directory??? |
| 17:47.16 | troubled | jelly: i swear they should have a debian degree on using the damn thing. |
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| 17:47.59 | jelly | troubled: heh, have you used dselect ever? ;-) |
| 17:48.06 | troubled | jelly: the way i look at it is, if I gotta break a sweat to try remember the damn cryptic hotkeys everytime I use it, it aint worth it. i find a shell and apt-get and apt-cache is faster |
| 17:48.26 | troubled | jelly: ahhhh, nm my bad, thats the piece of crap im thinkin of |
| 17:48.40 | jelly | I hate aptitude's ui just because it resembles dselect in colors. |
| 17:48.52 | troubled | jelly: aptitude i remember being kinda awkward though, no where near dselect, but still had an issue with it |
| 17:49.26 | elementz | just a quicky: where does " cd ~ " bring me as a normal user? |
| 17:49.27 | digits | i only use apt-get and dpkg |
| 17:49.27 | jelly | troubled: yeah, dselect is a pita to use. |
| 17:49.31 | digits | elementz: your home directory |
| 17:49.37 | elementz | digits: thx |
| 17:49.40 | digits | elementz: for you it could be /home/elementz |
| 17:49.52 | digits | elementz: just "cd" with no arguments bring you there too |
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| 17:49.57 | troubled | jelly: just checked aptitude, makes more sense since ive used synpatic |
| 17:49.57 | elementz | digits: kk |
| 17:50.01 | Jemt | Is it possible to see which version of gcc my kernel is compiled with ? |
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| 17:50.45 | troubled | Jemt: dont think they put it in the elf headers, but file it I guess |
| 17:50.59 | Jemt | Ok, thanks |
| 17:51.06 | troubled | Jemt: no, doesnt look like it |
| 17:51.13 | Jemt | Bugger |
| 17:51.29 | jelly | troubled: aptitude is a bit better, but I still have the aversion to that color scheme. :-> I use it as a command line tool, a nice replacement for most common apt-get, apt-cache and dpkg --set-selection commands. |
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| 17:51.54 | lhds | i am trying to install debootstrap but the package is not found binutils aswell |
| 17:51.55 | troubled | jelly: I think a colour scheme like the old netware console's is what is the best look |
| 17:51.57 | jelly | !lart Your |
| 17:51.59 | lhds | how can i fix that? |
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| 17:52.25 | troubled | jelly: kinda like turbo pascal ide. nice grey background give good contrast and makes things seem more inviting than a blackhole look |
| 17:52.34 | abrotman | dusty_: go to #kubuntu |
| 17:52.48 | jelly | troubled: ahh, turbo pascal, now we're talking the same language. ;-) |
| 17:53.17 | troubled | jelly: :) gotta admit, the look of that and netware was awesome. It just made it seem productive before you even did anything! |
| 17:54.07 | troubled | jelly: the kernel menuconfig isnt too bad either though. a tad on the ugly side, but still nice touch. |
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| 17:54.29 | jetx | hax |
| 17:54.54 | lhds | binutils is not included in the deb source that comes with the small installer? |
| 17:55.21 | lhds | i mean what is that url that has all these so i can apt-get them? |
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| 17:55.23 | enouf | acid: ping |
| 17:55.26 | spiekey | hello folks! |
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| 17:55.58 | roby | diff between x-window-system and x-window-system-core ? |
| 17:56.15 | spiekey | has sarge got a linux-headers-2.6.8 package? |
| 17:56.20 | spiekey | i need it for vmware |
| 17:56.28 | abrotman | spiekey: kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
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| 17:56.44 | gan|y|med | hello |
| 17:56.53 | roby | greetings mortal |
| 17:57.06 | roby | :) |
| 17:57.13 | troubled | abrotman: curious, why is it that when you do a new kernel install, the headers dont get replaced? |
| 17:57.24 | jetx | !pdo |
| 17:57.24 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:57.25 | abrotman | they aren't needed to run a system ? |
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| 17:57.46 | gan|y|med | i would like to mount a reiserfs partition on a firewire disk, but it is automatically mounted for root only. how can i change that so that it mounts it, when being plugged in, as a normal user? |
| 17:57.54 | xored | ho to list all users of the system as a line seperated list ? ( for ftpusers) |
| 17:58.05 | jetx | users maybe |
| 17:58.09 | xored | nope |
| 17:58.11 | jetx | man i'm hungry |
| 17:58.13 | xored | thats the users loggedin |
| 17:58.14 | roby | jetx: i just don't have a gui browser yet so i figure its easier to ask here :) |
| 17:58.19 | troubled | abrotman: guess it makes sense. only for new compiles. but when you compile, why do they use the old headers instead of newest ones in the kernel your running? |
| 17:58.20 | nvz | damn I had been laying in bed for like two hours tossing and turning with no signs of falling asleep.. might as well waste more time on IRC |
| 17:58.27 | jetx | no i meant users for the mount thing |
| 17:58.44 | troubled | nvz: thats the spirit |
| 17:58.45 | Susie86 | How do I restrict a user to be able to read only their home directory and below? |
| 17:59.07 | nvz | troubled: yeah, I must be in love.. all shook up or something.. I havent had this much trouble falling asleep in awhile |
| 17:59.20 | troubled | nvz: if I ever had a flatscreen on my ceiling above my bed, you better bet it would be irc in large fonts with a wireless keyboard :) |
| 17:59.46 | jetx | then there would be no sex |
| 18:00.13 | nvz | jetx: yeah heh, there are people out there with sex swings and mirrors on the ceiling and vibrating beds.,, and troubled is thining about flatscreens and wireless keyboards |
| 18:00.13 | troubled | nvz: lol, ya irc was my first love too. efnet broke my heart that bitch! so i cheated on her with dalnet. left her for free node :) |
| 18:00.29 | abrotman | troubled: it shouldn't |
| 18:00.29 | troubled | nvz: hey! lol |
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| 18:00.45 | nvz | troubled: I was talking about women, but hey whatever. |
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| 18:01.10 | Susie86 | How do I restrict a user to be able to read only their home directory and below? |
| 18:01.38 | bronze | change protection on dir above thrie home so they cannot execute that dir |
| 18:01.43 | jetx | roby: -core pulls in less. i prefer x-window-system myself, but others prefer -core |
| 18:01.52 | jetx | they're metapackages |
| 18:01.56 | Susie86 | bronze |
| 18:02.00 | Susie86 | but then they can cd /etc |
| 18:02.01 | Susie86 | cant they? |
| 18:02.04 | Susie86 | instead of cd ../ |
| 18:02.19 | abrotman | enter is not a substitute for punctuation |
| 18:02.23 | bronze | and use a restricted shell |
| 18:02.37 | troubled | abrotman: all im saying is i dont understand why if i grab a new kernel, say .17, that older headers are left on the system to compile against instead of ones from the .17 install |
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| 18:02.54 | jetx | because they are seperate packages troubled |
| 18:03.02 | jetx | you might want one and not the other |
| 18:03.08 | abrotman | troubled: complain to the packagers .. it makes sense to me .. but my brain is mine and you can't share! |
| 18:03.13 | jelly | ~eightball will my custom built 1.4.2 work at all? |
| 18:03.17 | nvz | Susie86: bronze that doesnt work that way. if you cant access outside the home dir all apps would have to be statically compiled in the homedir.. you would have to use something more sane like SElinux policy or just forget about that idea cause its pointless anyhow |
| 18:03.30 | jetx | make-kpkg --targets |
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| 18:03.35 | jetx | better |
| 18:03.39 | Susie86 | nvz, hmm |
| 18:03.42 | Susie86 | True actually |
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| 18:03.44 | nvz | the homedir and maybe /tmp are the only dirs they can write to so where's the harm |
| 18:03.45 | bronze | nvz: it has worked in the past/ |
| 18:03.54 | Susie86 | I guess its only within my own home I dont want them seeing |
| 18:03.55 | Susie86 | d/w the |
| 18:03.57 | troubled | jetx: but why? I always thought it was something to do with matching features and limits of the current software, but i dont see why. like the filesize limit issue few years ago. |
| 18:03.59 | Susie86 | Well |
| 18:04.06 | Susie86 | A genuine other problem though |
| 18:04.11 | Susie86 | I have an ext HDD, mounted |
| 18:04.15 | nvz | Susie86: set your home 700 and nobody but you and root can see it |
| 18:04.19 | Susie86 | Only my user can read it |
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| 18:04.28 | Susie86 | The ext HDD, that is |
| 18:04.35 | nvz | Susie86: and where lies the problem in that? |
| 18:04.37 | Susie86 | But, the icon still appears on another users Desktop |
| 18:04.44 | Susie86 | Although they cant read it |
| 18:04.50 | nvz | Susie86: is it mounted in /media/ ? |
| 18:04.54 | Susie86 | I'd like the icon not to appear on their desktop at all |
| 18:04.56 | Susie86 | lemme see |
| 18:05.06 | Susie86 | Ys |
| 18:05.07 | Susie86 | yes |
| 18:05.13 | nvz | Susie86: most desktops will show anything mounted there |
| 18:05.20 | nvz | Susie86: mount it inside your homedir |
| 18:05.21 | xored | which console ftp client can limit bandwith ? |
| 18:05.32 | hdkiller | lftp iirc |
| 18:05.40 | troubled | Susie86: perhaps use /mnt instead? not sure if gnome uses mtab or not though |
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| 18:06.25 | hdkiller | yeah, lftp can, man lftp |
| 18:06.33 | nvz | troubled: if it went by mtab you would see every filesystem on your desktop :P |
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| 18:06.37 | xored | hdkiller: how to d othis in lftp ? |
| 18:06.37 | jelly | Is there a network sniffer that will decode http (and other application level protocols) and display/save found images and other data? |
| 18:06.42 | xored | ok thank you |
| 18:06.48 | nvz | troubled: it probably looks somewhere like mtab but only puts things in /media/ up there |
| 18:06.56 | nvz | would be my guess |
| 18:07.18 | hdkiller | xored, set net:limit-rate 4096 |
| 18:07.20 | signuts | Is there a way to automate the installation of debian? I am at a remote location and need to get a system setup. I can install debian on the same machine I have here and give him a "tagfile" or whatever it is the installer can follow to duplicate the installation process |
| 18:07.37 | xored | hdkiller: byte or kb values ? |
| 18:07.42 | hdkiller | bytes |
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| 18:07.51 | hdkiller | refer man please, lftp is a good reading |
| 18:08.00 | troubled | nvz: possible |
| 18:08.01 | signuts | lftp sucks! |
| 18:08.02 | signuts | heh |
| 18:08.10 | nvz | signuts: yeah there are a number of automated installer projects I am not sure which one would suit your needs though |
| 18:08.21 | troubled | nvz: would probably be a simple source edit to make it only /media though |
| 18:08.40 | xjkx | i am running debian on qemu and i can't mount /dev/hdc (my cdrom) what have I done wrong?it says there is no media |
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| 18:09.13 | xored | hdkiller: fine, thank you a lot |
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| 18:09.31 | hdkiller | signuts, what do u prefer instead of? |
| 18:09.34 | troubled | signuts: tell em to pop in a knoppix cd and boot it once using F11 (or whatever) and start ssh? :) |
| 18:09.48 | nvz | troubled: I think thats the whole idea of the open desktop standards and FHS and the reason we use /media/cdrom /media/floppy /media/flash and all that now instead of jsut /floppy/ or /cdrom/ is it makes it easier to make sure everything behaves consistantly reguardless of distro or desktop preference |
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| 18:10.07 | xored | hdkiller: is lftl able to resume ? |
| 18:10.21 | hdkiller | yes xored |
| 18:10.32 | xored | any tutorials for that ? |
| 18:10.39 | hdkiller | mget -c myfinepr0n.txt |
| 18:10.39 | xored | or just "get" again and he will ask ? |
| 18:10.45 | troubled | nvz: what gets me is why they kept /cdrom link |
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| 18:11.00 | hdkiller | dunno, maybe -c required |
| 18:11.10 | xored | oki, i`ll try |
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| 18:11.42 | gan|y|med | ok, does anybody use kde here and automount and knows how to change the defaults for automounted file system, perhaps in kde itself (kcontrol or config file)??? |
| 18:12.00 | plb | where would be the best place to put a vmware image that needs to be used by several users? /user/local? |
| 18:12.06 | plb | er |
| 18:12.08 | plb | /usr/local |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | ask .. #vmware ? |
| 18:12.28 | troubled | plb: i would say /var or /opt |
| 18:12.38 | plb | ok thanks |
| 18:12.42 | nvz | troubled: legacy things die hard. we still have /dev/psaux, and thousands of lines of legacy hooks in the kernel from 2.2 days or earlier.. when its all deprecated we have to assure that everything still works even though we've learned over the years and developed new technologies.. we dont just assume things and leave people still using outdated software hangin like the big boys at microsoft would do |
| 18:12.47 | troubled | plb: /usr is meant to be more static in tradition |
| 18:12.58 | plb | alright thanks |
| 18:13.37 | troubled | nvz: it makes the learning curve for the newer folks a bit higher I think though |
| 18:14.10 | troubled | nvz: although I am glad that more distro's are using FHS and such now. |
| 18:14.40 | fireba11 | plb i would use /srv |
| 18:14.43 | troubled | nvz: and then there's slackware with its damn bsd init.... |
| 18:15.27 | xored | hdkiller: if i do a get -c file, than cancel it in the middle with ctrl c and try the same again, he hangs "at 0 [Waiting for response...] " |
| 18:15.31 | plb | heh ya I did desktop setup during install and it says I don't have enough space in /opt lol |
| 18:15.31 | troubled | fireba11: wasnt /srv for installing a service local to the server, like vmware itself? |
| 18:15.43 | nvz | troubled: I love the fhs because although I like having my own interpretations and preferences as an admin, I dont need the aggrivation of trying to figure out where to put things.. the FHS gives me a general idea of what my filesystem hierarchy should look like and I can fill in the blanks |
| 18:16.24 | troubled | nvz: ya, it would seem I gotta reread the fhs again. been a while. /srv i cant even remember now, how pathetic is that! |
| 18:16.27 | fireba11 | troubled: you could call your iso library a local service :-) |
| 18:16.42 | nvz | troubled: there wasnt any real detail on use of /srv/ for example in the FHS last I read it.. but I figured out uses for it. I use /srv/samba /srv/apt and /srv/www for my samba shares, apt repo, and apache www root. |
| 18:17.30 | troubled | fireba11: so like your anon ftp dir? or big database dir? those proper examples |
| 18:17.32 | troubled | ? |
| 18:17.41 | nvz | troubled: /srv/ is just suppose to be basically a place for network services. exactly how its used is entirely up to the admin |
| 18:18.11 | Susie86 | okay |
| 18:18.16 | Susie86 | How do I unrar a file |
| 18:18.21 | Susie86 | Or do I need to get a package to do so |
| 18:18.24 | plb | install unrar |
| 18:18.27 | Susie86 | the command unrar is not recognised |
| 18:18.31 | Susie86 | plb, cheers |
| 18:18.35 | plb | np |
| 18:18.36 | fireba11 | troubled i put my virtual machines in /srv .... |
| 18:18.37 | troubled | nvz: is "network" the key? cause honestly I liked /var. but it seems like that usr /var for only distro installed stuff, so it breaks away from /usr/local tradition |
| 18:18.39 | nvz | troubled: when I had windows users on my network who I would allow samba access but no shell access I would make their homedirs in /srv/samba/ and disable their passwords for login |
| 18:19.19 | troubled | nvz: cool. normally i would have just made a dir in /home or made something like /samba |
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| 18:19.57 | moprilo | hi.. anyone uses traffic control on debian? |
| 18:20.06 | nvz | troubled: but depending on you partitioning scheme that may not work. I like to rely heavily on /srv/ and usually make it LVM so I can keep all my local apt mirror, samba shares, web content..etc in there and I am able to extend it easily |
| 18:20.06 | Fluten | is it a good idea to restart xfree once in a while? |
| 18:20.25 | moprilo | i recompiled kernel, and made it work, but it does prioritization but it can't drop pakcets |
| 18:20.26 | Fluten | its been running for 102 days and is taking up 500MB of memory, most of it being kept in swap. |
| 18:20.32 | gan|y|med | is anybody familiar with pmount? |
| 18:20.36 | troubled | Fluten: in theory it shouldnt matter..... |
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| 18:21.06 | plb | I did desktop install which gave me 2 partitions / /home...wouldn't /opt be on the same partition as /home? |
| 18:21.13 | BarryAllen | hi all, |
| 18:21.25 | BarryAllen | im trying to patch a package (deb-src) |
| 18:21.34 | BarryAllen | need i add this patch in the debian/rules file ? |
| 18:21.48 | troubled | plb: no |
| 18:21.56 | plb | bah |
| 18:22.01 | troubled | plb: everything != /home is on / |
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| 18:22.20 | troubled | plb: just make a sym link to /home |
| 18:22.22 | nvz | troubled: I dont like using /var because in the event I want to reinstall or something wicked happens I like to know there is no important user data residing there just like cache and stuff.. all the important things are in /home and /srv, and maybe some global configs in /etc I can keep them on separate partitions or drives |
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| 18:22.34 | troubled | plb: i mean, put opt in /home and ln -s it |
| 18:23.05 | hdkiller | xored, pass |
| 18:23.06 | plb | ok |
| 18:23.17 | hdkiller | i mean, i don't know why |
| 18:23.21 | troubled | nvz: /var always has important stuff in it though. mbox's and logs for starters |
| 18:23.42 | troubled | plb: thats kinda a quick fix, but save you from repartition |
| 18:24.02 | nvz | troubled: this is why you can migrate that stuff to /srv and not worry |
| 18:24.19 | troubled | plb: actually, if /home is big enough, you should be able to init 1, and resize the ext2/3 fs with ease |
| 18:24.55 | nvz | troubled: and most of my files that take up space like ripped music, videos, image galleries for wallpaper and such I keep in /srv/samba so all users on the network can access it and its on a LVM that can grow. I can keep most of those other dirs on the rootfs and keep it static. |
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| 18:25.04 | plb | I should just install the image into home and make a group for it and the users to the group? |
| 18:25.09 | troubled | nvz: its a good idea, i just dont like depending on a setup like that knowing that if I need to reinstall, i gotta redo everything debian does again |
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| 18:25.12 | plb | add* |
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| 18:25.49 | nvz | troubled: well you want to keep backups of /etc/ for those reasons |
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| 18:26.34 | troubled | plb: it works. not like it matters where you put it. if you were developing software for general use I would say follow standards more, but /home works just fine and prolly easier for users to remember and find that say /srv or /opt |
| 18:26.38 | nvz | troubled: I like to keep a package list too incase I reinstall so I dont have to remember what packages I had selected |
| 18:26.48 | troubled | nvz: i find backups of etc not enough though |
| 18:26.55 | troubled | nvz: i agree there |
| 18:27.06 | plb | troubled: ya its ugly but it works....nothing critical anyway..just a computer many people use |
| 18:27.51 | troubled | bah, damn gkrellm dancing email penguin drivin me nuts! |
| 18:27.57 | plb | heh |
| 18:27.59 | plb | I remember that |
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| 18:28.04 | plb | haven't used gkrellm in years |
| 18:28.30 | troubled | and wouldnt you know its spam as usual for that account heh |
| 18:28.45 | plb | lol |
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| 18:30.00 | ad-m | could someone tell me how to get msfonts to debian? |
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| 18:31.32 | nvz | troubled: I still use /usr/local/ for development or my homedir I've gotten used to compiling my kernels as my user in my homedir, but I will use /opt/ for non-debian stuff if I should install it. I like knowing that stuff that isnt part of debian is completly isolated and the debian and non-debian stuff will never cross-pollinate |
| 18:31.43 | ktwilight | ad-m try apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 18:32.30 | troubled | nvz: while were on the topic of compiling, you ever heard of a packaging program called encap? |
| 18:32.45 | nvz | troubled: nope. |
| 18:32.52 | ad-m | ktwilight: ok |
| 18:33.00 | troubled | nvz: designed to work in a dir like /srv or /opt, but its awesome. basically like diversions with symlinks |
| 18:33.14 | troubled | nvz: sec... |
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| 18:33.16 | troubled | !encap |
| 18:33.25 | ad-m | ktwilight: didn't work :( |
| 18:33.40 | ktwilight | what didnt work? |
| 18:33.50 | troubled | http://www.encap.org/ |
| 18:33.50 | ad-m | the fonts |
| 18:33.55 | troubled | ^^^^ AWESOME idea |
| 18:34.04 | ktwilight | what error emssage do you see? |
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| 18:34.23 | ad-m | "Package msttcorefonts is not available" and so on... |
| 18:34.24 | troubled | nvz: perfect to have multiple installs of the same program and use encap to switch the links to everything |
| 18:35.18 | ktwilight | are you using sarge? |
| 18:35.32 | ad-m | no, testing |
| 18:35.41 | ktwilight | pdd |
| 18:35.43 | ktwilight | odd |
| 18:35.55 | ad-m | huh? |
| 18:36.10 | ktwilight | ah |
| 18:36.15 | ktwilight | in your sources.list, do you have contrib? |
| 18:36.29 | ad-m | i'll check |
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| 18:36.42 | ad-m | haven't changed that one since I installed debian |
| 18:37.02 | ktwilight | then it should only have main |
| 18:37.10 | ad-m | yes, think so |
| 18:37.26 | ktwilight | just add "contrib" after main |
| 18:37.41 | ktwilight | then apt-get update then apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 18:37.45 | nvz | troubled: thats basically what I do, but I use /opt/ instead of /usr/local/encap/ |
| 18:37.52 | ad-m | okay |
| 18:37.55 | troubled | nvz: lets say when I did postgresql and i wanted to test a new ver, i just setup normal install dir's for say /usr or /usr/local, but you actually installprefix it to say /usr/local/pgsql-7 and /usr/local/pgsql-8. when you run epkg it switches all the normal symlinks from one to the other so you can instantly switch between versions rather than the standard debian process of backup, uninstall, install diff version, restore backup |
| 18:38.33 | ktwilight | how's it? |
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| 18:38.52 | kd3 | ktwilight: what if i got this: |
| 18:38.53 | kd3 | deb http://debian.secsup.org/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 18:38.53 | kd3 | deb-src http://debian.secsup.org/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 18:38.53 | kd3 | ? |
| 18:39.02 | ktwilight | what about it? |
| 18:39.03 | troubled | nvz: ya, its a good system. basically epkg just a dirty quick ln -s script based of dir names. works nice though for production systems where you dont wanna waste and hour or two switching back to old ver. plus your data is still in the old version since it never changed |
| 18:39.13 | kd3 | do i get the 'testing' packages too? |
| 18:39.17 | kd3 | or just stable? |
| 18:39.22 | ktwilight | no yuo dont, you just have sarge, which is stable |
| 18:39.32 | ktwilight | i dunno if stable has msttcorefonts though |
| 18:39.32 | kd3 | i see |
| 18:39.35 | ktwilight | but you can always check |
| 18:39.46 | ktwilight | apt-cache show msttcorefonts |
| 18:40.06 | kd3 | i already have that installed, i was just asking about them sources.list |
| 18:40.14 | nvz | troubled: yeah well it seems it can work like apt and dpkg as well with online repositories |
| 18:40.15 | ktwilight | oh right :) |
| 18:40.33 | yang | which package do i have to install to be able to compile " Set the needed environment variables to compile a Qt program. " |
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| 18:40.55 | kd3 | yang: are you trying to compile your kernel? |
| 18:41.03 | yang | kd3: no |
| 18:41.32 | Howitzer | How do i remove the full contents of a metapackage installed with apt-get? (in this case the metapackage kde) |
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| 18:41.48 | nvz | yang: the qouted information is without context, completly useless environment variables have nothing to do with any package. |
| 18:41.48 | yang | apt-get remove kde |
| 18:41.50 | troubled | nvz: well, not that you would want to replace dpkg. I only consider it for big stuff like pgsql or maybe different www site design's. good way to switch ver's to test and go back quickly if things go south |
| 18:42.16 | yang | nvz: to compile a QT program |
| 18:42.25 | nvz | uh huh |
| 18:42.39 | nvz | and what headers are you looking for, what program are you compiling |
| 18:42.46 | yang | nvz: its a feature that KDE programs use |
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| 18:42.51 | troubled | nvz: you could literally have 10 diff programs and data sets installed, then put 10 newers sets in, import old data and test. if no go one command undoes it all so you can investigate |
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| 18:43.19 | yang | nvz: i need this QTDIR=/usr/local/qtgcc |
| 18:43.49 | troubled | Howitzer: not that its what you want, but ive found debfoster handy tool to get rid of crap and all related dep's you dont need |
| 18:44.03 | Howitzer | oh |
| 18:44.06 | troubled | Howitzer: helps find stuff with no dep's too |
| 18:44.20 | Howitzer | well, actually, i need to reinstall things |
| 18:44.23 | nvz | yang: I can tell you right now there isnt a package in debian that provides any such thing because it would violare policy |
| 18:44.34 | Howitzer | i deleted all of KDE's applications .desktop files by accident |
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| 18:44.51 | troubled | Howitzer: try just issuing a --reinstall to apt-get? |
| 18:44.55 | Howitzer | so my whole KMenu is empty and i can't do anything |
| 18:44.59 | Howitzer | i did |
| 18:45.10 | nvz | yang: so maybe you should figure out what header files it wants so I can tell you what package you need, and where to point the installation. packages installing to /usr/local/, /home.. and other dirs is against debian package policy |
| 18:45.13 | Howitzer | it just reinstalls the metapackage on it's own |
| 18:45.24 | Howitzer | not it's contents |
| 18:45.46 | troubled | Howitzer: do that with all the dep's of the metapackage maybe |
| 18:45.59 | troubled | Howitzer: might be a better way, but thats what i would try at least |
| 18:46.11 | yang | nvz: take alook on http://www.pi-sync.net/html/projects.html please |
| 18:46.25 | yang | nvz: I want to compile KO/PI |
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| 18:47.15 | Howitzer | ty |
| 18:47.27 | troubled | Howitzer: that or use dpkg -S to find what package owned the files and reinstall just that one |
| 18:47.33 | troubled | np |
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| 18:48.48 | Howitzer | damn |
| 18:48.50 | Howitzer | didn't work |
| 18:49.01 | Howitzer | just installed .desktop files for kdevelop suite :( |
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| 18:50.00 | troubled | anyone know how the menu creation is handled in debian? |
| 18:50.05 | troubled | help this poor guy out |
| 18:50.29 | troubled | should be a way to recreate them all short of reinstalling all the packages |
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| 18:51.09 | Howitzer | hmm |
| 18:51.14 | Howitzer | google doesn't really bring anything |
| 18:51.15 | troubled | Howitzer: im worried that the menu's are part of every single packages post install script. if thats the case you may have to parse all the scripts for the commands and run them :( |
| 18:51.30 | berkes | Can anyone point me to a (CLI) app to monitor disc access? |
| 18:51.34 | Howitzer | eek |
| 18:51.35 | troubled | wouldnt be too hard to script but still.... |
| 18:51.38 | berkes | Can anyone point me to a (CLI) app to monitor disc access? |
| 18:51.42 | berkes | oops, sorry. |
| 18:51.46 | sepski | berkes, iostat |
| 18:52.02 | Howitzer | wait |
| 18:52.05 | Howitzer | i have something |
| 18:52.07 | berkes | sepski: thanks. And sorry for duplicating that. :? |
| 18:52.19 | troubled | Howitzer: update-menus? |
| 18:52.23 | Howitzer | yeah |
| 18:52.27 | Howitzer | lol |
| 18:52.29 | Howitzer | just found that |
| 18:52.57 | Howitzer | damn |
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| 18:52.58 | troubled | Howitzer: guess someone ran into your problem before ;) |
| 18:53.00 | Howitzer | no luck |
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| 18:53.14 | beardy | hmm |
| 18:53.35 | troubled | Howitzer: check the man page for it, i think it can do it |
| 18:53.58 | yang | nvz: ? |
| 18:54.21 | troubled | Howitzer: /usr/share/menu shows everything that should be installed, so its all there |
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| 18:55.46 | lhds | how to know where in /dev is my usb so i can mount it? |
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| 18:56.22 | Howitzer | try /dev/sda1 lhds |
| 18:56.23 | troubled | lhds: usually gets an sda device of sorts. check syslog i think shows |
| 18:56.36 | lhds | i type syslog? |
| 18:56.46 | troubled | lhds: tail /var/log/syslog |
| 18:57.32 | lhds | usb found at 7 |
| 18:57.42 | lhds | its the seventh time i plug it |
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| 18:57.54 | troubled | lhds: if its not showing enough try less instead of tail |
| 18:57.54 | nvz | yang: this is confusing the hell out of me.. this is an app based on something I've never heard of called minikde thats designed to run on an embedded system |
| 18:58.05 | lhds | hda is my hdd |
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| 18:58.23 | lhds | fdisk -l returns nothing |
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| 18:58.25 | pickcoder | lhds: grep "/dev/sd" /var/log/syslog | less |
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| 18:58.53 | nvz | yang: I ended up finding korganizerPi.150.source.tar.gz and there is nothing in debian thats going to satisfy this build that I can see |
| 18:59.33 | nvz | yang: are you trying to compile an application for a zaurus or for a normal pc? |
| 18:59.54 | lhds | erm less command not found |
| 19:00.01 | lhds | and without it its a list of sda1 |
| 19:00.01 | troubled | lhds: apt-get install less |
| 19:00.15 | pickcoder | lhds: failing that, then -> dmesg | grep "/dev/sd" |
| 19:00.17 | troubled | lhds: then sda1 your device |
| 19:01.01 | pickcoder | yeah.. sda1 |
| 19:01.31 | gan|y|med | thx a lot and cu |
| 19:01.36 | bismark | how can i generate a .jigdo and .template file from a repository? |
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| 19:01.52 | lhds | dev/sda is the / |
| 19:01.57 | bismark | . |
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| 19:02.17 | bismark | . |
| 19:02.28 | lhds | sda1 is ext3 and its / sda6 is home |
| 19:02.31 | troubled | lhds: oh hehe, sdb then? |
| 19:02.34 | tremor | some kind of usb memory sticks show up as /dev/sda only .. no partition number |
| 19:02.45 | lhds | oh man |
| 19:02.52 | troubled | lhds: if not, its possible your missing a module to actually use mass storage for usb i think maybe |
| 19:03.12 | bismark | . |
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| 19:03.12 | pickcoder | dmesg will show you what has activated |
| 19:03.12 | sepski | tremor, try mounting it. |
| 19:03.28 | troubled | lhds: odd that you have scsi and arent use to linux though. many consider scsi drives "advanced" |
| 19:03.28 | lhds | Y E S |
| 19:03.29 | lhds | thnx |
| 19:03.35 | troubled | grats |
| 19:03.47 | tremor | sepski: i already saw this, mounting such a stick without a given partition number |
| 19:04.04 | tremor | thatswhy my comment |
| 19:04.06 | troubled | lhds: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 19:04.08 | pickcoder | dmesg | grep "USB" |
| 19:04.20 | lhds | i am running debian on vmware trying to make my usb bootable so that i can put blackbox on it |
| 19:04.33 | troubled | lhds: ahh, that was my next guess |
| 19:04.52 | lhds | i have a sata drive |
| 19:04.57 | lhds | kinda scsi |
| 19:05.06 | troubled | lhds: ahh, they show up as sda's? |
| 19:05.13 | lhds | yes |
| 19:05.20 | lhds | always on all the distros |
| 19:05.33 | lhds | why how should they show up like? |
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| 19:05.44 | lhds | on my old hdds they used to show as sda |
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| 19:05.53 | troubled | lhds: no idea, havent used sata in linux yet |
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| 19:06.01 | pickcoder | lhds: you're fine. it depends on the SATA chipset |
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| 19:06.08 | lhds | wdc |
| 19:06.15 | lhds | dont ask me more |
| 19:06.17 | JordiGH | Is there a universally-executed logoff script? I'd like /dev/sda1 to be automatically unmounted whenever someone logs off. |
| 19:06.18 | lhds | thats my brand |
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| 19:06.20 | troubled | lhds: anything ide ive used always hda in linux (cept vmware, which is always scsi) |
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| 19:06.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: you could set some sort of script to run every five minutes or so and if fuser or lsof sees nothing using it to unmount it |
| 19:06.57 | abrotman | ick |
| 19:07.10 | lhds | k i am going back to work see y later |
| 19:07.20 | pickcoder | JordiGH: update /etc/skel/.bash_profile for all new users |
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| 19:07.23 | troubled | JordiGH: pam might be able to help you out there, but its a more complicated beast then you may want to use |
| 19:07.30 | AciD_ | hi |
| 19:07.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: Uh... that's not a very nice solution. :-/ |
| 19:07.32 | pickcoder | JordiGH: then put that statement in the .bash_profile for each existing user |
| 19:07.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: no .. but it might work :) |
| 19:07.50 | troubled | pickcoder: bash profile is login not out |
| 19:08.19 | abrotman | When a login shell exits, bash reads and executes commands from the |
| 19:08.19 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.22 | pickcoder | troubled: if you launch X from bash, you can kick then off with "exit" |
| 19:08.24 | abrotman | man bash is good |
| 19:08.37 | troubled | pickcoder: that works |
| 19:08.50 | troubled | forgot about exit routine |
| 19:08.51 | JordiGH | Hm. That won't work when logging off from X, will it? |
| 19:08.52 | abrotman | /etc/bash_logout |
| 19:08.52 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.52 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: uh .. no |
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| 19:09.16 | doublehp | how do I reconfigure X ? I had to delete xorg.conf; xf86config, xf86CFG does not exist any more, and xinit can not create a default conf ... dpkg-reconfigure xserver does not help, neither does /msg dpkg xorg :s |
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| 19:09.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:09.41 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:09.41 | abrotman | !tell doublehp about confmiss |
| 19:09.42 | pickcoder | is there a bash_logout skeleton? |
| 19:09.45 | troubled | abrotman: odd, mine doesnt exist. but a bash only kinda limited isnt it? |
| 19:09.51 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:09.53 | pickcoder | n/m there is |
| 19:09.55 | pickcoder | <G> |
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| 19:10.00 | abrotman | pickcoder: there's a system wide .. and anything you put in /etc/skel/ gets copied |
| 19:10.01 | troubled | i still think pam is the ultimate solution |
| 19:10.16 | JordiGH | Is this a desktop dependent-thing? When you logoff from KDE or GNOME, all the programs shut down, X restarts and gdm or kdm come up... Hmm... maybe I should be messing around with kdm or gdm scripts. |
| 19:10.24 | troubled | skel is only on new user creation though |
| 19:10.34 | pickcoder | I think every Linux system should require LDAP |
| 19:10.49 | troubled | pickcoder: why is that? |
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| 19:11.08 | pickcoder | it's a major pita |
| 19:11.31 | pickcoder | I've had my fill of it dealing with slapd and GForge |
| 19:11.38 | troubled | JordiGH: that works too. :) pam still is ultimately in charge or all login and out's and would work no matter what program or shell they have |
| 19:12.25 | JordiGH | troubled: So I should man pam, eh? I don't mind if the solution is complicated, s'long as it works. :-) |
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| 19:13.18 | doublehp | abrotman: this wont help since I dont know which package own it, and wont either help creating one apropriate to my box like xf86Cfg used to do ... |
| 19:13.35 | JordiGH | Can someone /version me? I have no idea what client I'm on. :P |
| 19:13.35 | abrotman | !find xorg.conf etch |
| 19:13.41 | abrotman | stupid bot |
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| 19:13.49 | abrotman | JordiGH: version yourself |
| 19:14.01 | troubled | JordiGH: in that case ya, pam is amazing |
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| 19:14.23 | JordiGH | troubled: Uh, "man pam" says something about a graphics file format? |
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| 19:14.29 | troubled | JordiGH: look in /etc/pam* dir's |
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| 19:14.41 | nollidj | what is an effective way to get a text list of all installed packages? dpkg --list cuts off package names |
| 19:14.43 | JordiGH | abrotman: I didn't get a response when I versioned myself. :-/ |
| 19:14.48 | abrotman | JordiGH: /version JordiGH |
| 19:14.56 | pickcoder | irc2 2.8.2 |
| 19:14.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: might be in another windows. . cycle through them |
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| 19:15.03 | troubled | JordiGH: cd /etc/pam.d |
| 19:15.16 | tremor | nollidj: dpkg --help -> dpkg --get-selection |
| 19:15.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: I don't have more than one window. Looks like I'm using irc2. :P |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | you should |
| 19:15.41 | JordiGH | abrotman: Any idea how to switch between them? |
| 19:15.41 | troubled | JordiGH: you want a PAM admin guide or a howto. the files in there are somewhat commented, but i dont know if they have the properlogout settings in the file by default |
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| 19:15.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: with that client .. nfc |
| 19:15.57 | syntaxx | can i safely convert .rpm to .tgz in alien? |
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| 19:16.19 | nollidj | tremor: thanks |
| 19:16.28 | tremor | nollidj: i forgot an 's' |
| 19:16.35 | JordiGH | troubled: I'll read up on it. When I'm done, my (l)users will worship me like a deity. |
| 19:16.46 | troubled | JordiGH: lol gl :) |
| 19:16.49 | nvz | yang: so far all I know is you need tmake and libqt-dev |
| 19:16.52 | yang | nvz: i am trying to build it on/for linux pc |
| 19:17.08 | yang | nvz: ok thanks i will try |
| 19:17.13 | nvz | yang: the program appears to be for an embedded system that doesnt have kde |
| 19:17.24 | troubled | well, boob tube time |
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| 19:17.37 | JordiGH | Later. Thanks for the help. |
| 19:17.42 | pickcoder | Jordi: try binding a ctrl-key sequence |
| 19:17.51 | JordiGH | pickcoder: To what? |
| 19:17.51 | pickcoder | Jordi: /bind ^w next windows |
| 19:17.56 | pickcoder | s/windows/window |
| 19:18.04 | roxy_ | in irc how do you list the users ? |
| 19:18.04 | nvz | yang: its a platform independant version of korganizer/embedded which is a stripped down version of korganizer for embedded systems.. debian already has korganizer |
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| 19:18.29 | yang | nvz: yeah this has some extra option for sync-ing with PDA |
| 19:18.32 | JordiGH | Oooohhh!! irc2 has Emacs-like keys! |
| 19:18.35 | JordiGH | kewlness. |
| 19:18.42 | pickcoder | roxy_ : /users will show you a count. |
| 19:19.31 | roxy_ | pickcoder: irssi doesn't recognise /users |
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| 19:20.38 | pickcoder | roxy_: it varies from client to client but /users is a typical command for IRC I dunno why irssi doesn't have it |
| 19:20.57 | nvz | yang: yeah well it seems like its a mess and not well documented |
| 19:21.03 | pickcoder | try /lusers |
| 19:21.21 | nvz | yang: I am having a hell of a time trying to just grok the damn Makefile |
| 19:21.24 | abrotman | pickcoder: /userlist you mean ? |
| 19:21.43 | Kvant | roxy_, try /names |
| 19:21.44 | roxy_ | pickcoder: it works but not what I was looking for. I want the list of user in a given channel not server |
| 19:21.47 | pickcoder | abrotman: that's a client specific command |
| 19:22.01 | roxy_ | Kvant: thanks |
| 19:22.07 | abrotman | eh .. /user i think shows the irc network as a whole |
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| 19:22.10 | abrotman | or not |
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| 19:22.52 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:23.02 | nvz | yang: I got pretty far in the compile doing "make all" after installing tmake and libqt-dev but ran into some goofy permission denied error I cant decipher because it seems to point to an absolute file path that doesnt exist so I dont know how permission could be denied. I suspect the path is not absolute and something in the makefile or somewhere is just typed wrong misleading me |
| 19:23.04 | roxy_ | 10907 channels formed, for fs, do people have that much to say |
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| 19:24.19 | pickcoder | abrotman: I have a perfect example of why Pick is fading in the market |
| 19:24.22 | yang | nvz: i guess this is the first version of KO/PI, the new one should be retrieved from some CVS, becouse i have 2.2.7 on PDA |
| 19:24.29 | abrotman | pickcoder: because it floods irc ? |
| 19:24.39 | pickcoder | abrotman: b0rked SQL services |
| 19:24.45 | timthelion | what is the broadcast ip in /ect/network/interfaces? |
| 19:24.46 | pickcoder | abrotman: funny |
| 19:24.59 | abrotman | timthelion: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:25.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: SQL services? |
| 19:25.05 | nvz | yang: no idea I pulled what it said was the latest stable release 1.5.0 or something |
| 19:25.10 | pickcoder | abrotman: I had no idea that /names would flood me off |
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| 19:25.48 | mike__ | what's a good way to back up my home folder for reinstalling? |
| 19:25.50 | nvz | yang: this just makes me glad I am not a kde developer and dont know one.. cause I would probably kill them if I did because they program like fucking morons |
| 19:26.13 | nvz | this stuff is impossible to understand |
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| 19:26.26 | pickcoder | abrotman: a major patch broke one of the critical aspects of the entire system. However, they're not backporting the fix to a semi-recent release. |
| 19:26.36 | abrotman | doh! |
| 19:26.38 | pickcoder | abrotman: they want everyone to pay for RHEL |
| 19:26.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:27.00 | timthelion | yay. broadcom is working withough ndis!!! |
| 19:27.17 | timthelion | it is faster this way too |
| 19:27.40 | nvz | o.O |
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| 19:28.19 | nvz | wtf I know tmake depends on libqt-dev and I watched it fucking install.. now trying to purge them both it says libqt-dev is not installed 1 to remove *tmake |
| 19:28.34 | nvz | it cant have tmake installed without libqt-dev so wth |
| 19:28.42 | yang | nvz: there is no libqt-dev in etch ? |
| 19:29.15 | nvz | !depends tmake etch |
| 19:29.23 | dpkg | tmake: depends on perl |
| 19:29.34 | nvz | hmm |
| 19:29.42 | nvz | this gets weirder by the minute |
| 19:29.48 | signuts | debian does not support my Adaptec ServeRAID controller. How do I get support for this? |
| 19:29.57 | nvz | !info libqt-dev etch |
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| 19:30.12 | nvz | yang: apperently not or its been renamed |
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| 19:30.49 | nvz | yang: doesnt seem to be required by tmake in etch.. tmake in etch only depends on perl |
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| 19:31.06 | pickcoder | yay. .my web cam came. I got a toy to play with tonight. |
| 19:31.21 | nvz | yang: this shit baffles the hell out of me and makes me want to kill kde developers. if you care about kde development I suggest talking to kde people. |
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| 19:31.43 | nvz | yang: I know they tend to frown on debian users, but oh well.. debian users dont like them either |
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| 19:32.01 | pickcoder | WillyWortel: public channel invites are not proper etiquette on IRC |
| 19:32.16 | nvz | I'm suprised crap like this even _can_ be compiled |
| 19:32.33 | nvz | I sure as hell cant make heads or tails of it. |
| 19:33.06 | WillyWortel | Pickorder : sorry, just using icechat for the first time, i shall read the etiquettes. |
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| 19:34.07 | nvz | damn spaghetti code :P |
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| 19:34.58 | nvz | its actually clean looking.. just doesnt make any damn sense the seem to use goofy syntax that is very misleading on object and file names |
| 19:35.50 | nvz | spits out compile errors that are useless as tits on a snake :P |
| 19:36.01 | yang | nvz: maybe you wanna join #opie for a while to discuss it with other user, that has KO/PI? |
| 19:36.15 | nvz | yang: na I'd rather shoot myself |
| 19:36.27 | pickcoder | nvz: the purpose of modular programming is so that you can write crappy code without it being overly confusing to your own eyes |
| 19:36.38 | pickcoder | <> |
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| 19:37.10 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah.. this is why I stopped programming by the time I was a teenager |
| 19:37.51 | Malagmyr | Can I somehow make vsftpd log what usernames are attempted when a login fails? |
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| 19:39.25 | pickcoder | nvz: heh |
| 19:40.22 | nvz | pickcoder: every once in awhile I get this crazy idea to start working on this RPG engine I've been talking about for years.. on one hand I want to grab something usable and tweak it because something like freecraft or stratagus would work for me I just want to make more character depth instead of a worker, a fighter with a simple hit points.. but then on the other hand I would almost rather fight making the whole damn thing just s |
| 19:41.11 | nvz | I really dont feel that motivated to program a whole damn map engine and shit from scratch. |
| 19:41.59 | pickcoder | nvz: that's what most project developers say. Then they spend 4 times the time rewriting their "tweaks" into a totally different source base. |
| 19:43.08 | nvz | yeah thats why I never get anywhere with any of my ideas.. I cant decide where to begin pick up some code or just start from scratch. either case its a fucking PITA you either got to swap through it all and learn what the hell you are working with. or make it all up from scratch |
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| 19:43.28 | nvz | and when I used to program all day long most of the time was spent thinking of what to call a variable or something |
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| 19:43.42 | amphi | nvz: heh |
| 19:44.11 | nvz | I get really indecisive about that stuff |
| 19:45.11 | roxy_ | nvz: http://blogs.sun.com/jag/ |
| 19:45.13 | nvz | pisses me off.. I am like if I just call it X and move on I will get something done.. but then later I wont know what it means.. but if I call it this well it sounds too much like that, and I will get confused or I will forget what it is later |
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| 19:48.23 | nvz | yeah thats it.. then there's the other problem sitting there getting all your types defined setting up all your variables getting everything laid out the way you vision it will be, then you start programming a module and realize its all inadiquitte or just plain wrong and you are going back and changing this string to an array.. bah it drives me nuts I can circle around the same block of code so long it drives me nuts |
| 19:48.37 | pickcoder | nvz: that's why descriptive comments are part of any good programmer's habits |
| 19:48.49 | nvz | its like playing the guitar on one hand I would like a simple little rhythm that repeats, and on the other hand after about two times I am bored with it :P |
| 19:49.01 | row | I have a lvm setup, one of the disks apparently has a invalid parition table or so fdisk -l tells me, lvm works fine tho but I also have a swap partition on there which now can't be used, does anyone know of a safish way to get my swap back without killing my lvm data? |
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| 19:49.40 | nvz | people look at you "why did he stop playing"... "I'm sick of doing the same thing over and over with no sign of progress" |
| 19:50.41 | nvz | when I was younger my cousin who was and still is a video game addict would pour his thoughts and ideas out in a continuous flow as I translated them to the computer and showed him the progress.. |
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| 19:51.03 | nvz | as long as he did all the thinking and I was just doing the programming I never had that problem |
| 19:52.19 | nvz | row: gpart might help |
| 19:52.39 | nvz | after all thats what its for |
| 19:52.42 | minerale | I am running a program but it includes certain options (pathfiles) that I'd like to keep hidden from users who type ps wwaux, is there anyway I can hide em? Whether through a c wrapper or something else ? |
| 19:52.52 | row | I did scan it iirc, it did not find any traces. |
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| 19:53.21 | yang | nvz: you dont have to mess with KOPI any longer i got one precompiled version |
| 19:53.31 | nvz | row: in this unique case though you could always put a swapfile on the lvm and swapon |
| 19:53.40 | nvz | yang: yeehaw |
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| 19:54.19 | nvz | you what, why thats the finest thing I heard all day, boy I'll tell you whut. |
| 19:54.25 | pickcoder | maineral: hrm. A system shell from C may work, but I've never looked at ps output to see if the command line arguments are shown |
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| 19:54.38 | row | nvz: I suppose its a option |
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| 19:54.46 | shawnr_ | i just plugged in a new monitor from a friend. i have no specs on it. how can i get x to probe the monitor and try to get the specs itself? |
| 19:54.54 | nvz | row: of course it is. swap is flexible like that |
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| 19:55.55 | nvz | makes me think about that plane crash in the news today.. and how you have to wonder why they dont just make the whole fucking plane out of whatever they make that black box out of that never gets damaged :P |
| 19:56.43 | row | nvz: http://paste.debian.net/11795 |
| 19:56.49 | tremor | shawnr_: there's no type label on the back of the monitor so that you can search via internet? |
| 19:56.55 | amphi | nvz: and powered by a nuclear reactor! ;) |
| 19:57.24 | pickcoder | minerale: is there no way to use a config file instead of command line args? |
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| 19:57.49 | nvz | row: *shrug* I havent used gpart in a long time dont remember how it works or if it even understands lvm partitions |
| 19:58.03 | row | man page says it does |
| 19:58.11 | delire | can anyone point me to a comprehensive page with a list of ports numbers and their descriptions? |
| 19:58.24 | shawnr_ | tremor, its a commercial 24in SUN monitor made for unix. I see where a label used to be. its really old |
| 19:58.28 | blondie | delire: /etc/services |
| 19:58.32 | nvz | all I know is I hosed my partition table and lost access to a partition with like 60gb on it before and gpart made it all come back |
| 19:58.33 | pickcoder | delire: /etc/services |
| 19:58.34 | blondie | is such a list |
| 19:58.38 | pickcoder | gah.. beat me to it |
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| 19:59.43 | nvz | I dont feel like crying so I guess I am gonna have to sing myself to sleep |
| 19:59.59 | delire | pickcoder: blondie hah, didn't know this. cheers |
| 20:00.08 | shawnr_ | tremor, any ideas? |
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| 20:00.35 | nvz | its already 4pm and I still havent slept yet.. I am suppose to be off today but I told them I would come in tonight and against my own belifs help them make shit look good for the big bosses that are comming and take wed off |
| 20:00.43 | tremor | shawnr_: just a search .. maybe you'll find something? but an idea .. not really |
| 20:01.10 | nvz | I am against the idea of straightening the place up once a year for corporate assholes.. heh I think they need to see it how it really is :P |
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| 20:01.19 | nvz | but then again its not my ass on the grill |
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| 20:02.37 | row | :P |
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| 20:03.01 | minerale | pickcoder: not at this moment, I'm pretty sure there's a way to easliy execute programs from within a c program |
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| 20:03.27 | nvz | works out better this way though because my co-workers on my shift are planning on a sick day they are all gonna call off with the flu and since I am now off that day anyhow because I switched days I am off the hook with having to participate and all I have to do is not answer my phone when they try call me in |
| 20:03.37 | unsolo | how do i get Zlib installed on amd64 sarge ? |
| 20:03.50 | nvz | they are all pissed cause every other place pays more for overnight crew and we dont get the differential |
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| 20:04.09 | row | nvz: whats your job? |
| 20:05.21 | pickcoder | minerale: execv() |
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| 20:06.25 | nvz | row: well I was roofing and liking it but I am too bent out of shape for that right now and I dont like the fact that a rainy day or a contractor going to vegas can alter my cashflow so I got a job at the fast food place across the street for less money just to have consistant work right now.. and they have resonable benefits for working there and I've never done the food service industry so its a new avenue in my journeyman projec |
| 20:07.16 | row | :) |
| 20:07.48 | nvz | I decided many years ago when I was still in high school that while I am young I am gonna learn everything I can.. so when I am an old fart I know what work is and no matter where I am I will know work when I see it and be able to jump in and do anything |
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| 20:07.58 | dn4 | how od I watch a vcd? |
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| 20:08.36 | row | dn4: mplayer/vlc/xine |
| 20:08.41 | row | and other stuff |
| 20:09.04 | row | mplayer plays most things |
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| 20:09.41 | nvz | I became a damn good roofer in about 3 years time only working about 4-6 months during the summer. I went from too scared to get up there to slamming out the 14 pitch like it was drinking a beer in the shade |
| 20:09.45 | SpeedyG | hey guys, what to do if aptitude gives an error 404 ? |
| 20:10.08 | row | hehe |
| 20:10.32 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: fix your mirror? |
| 20:10.36 | row | I did some sparky work, know how it feels, standing top rung of ladder with hands in the air used to scare me shitless. |
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| 20:10.47 | nvz | and now when I do things like I am doing now I can laugh at the people who whine about their duties knowing I've been through worse |
| 20:10.56 | row | don'tdo it anymore but meh I got over that |
| 20:11.06 | row | :) |
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| 20:12.03 | nvz | I;ve learned what job experience is all about and why employers want it.. its one thing to know how to do something its a whole different thing having done it before |
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| 20:12.40 | pickcoder | nvz: and it's even better to have done it wrong the first 3 times, so you know how not to do it again |
| 20:12.55 | SpeedyG | ah ok, nvm :) got it allready :) |
| 20:13.00 | nvz | of course the guy who taught me how to roof told me two things I apply everywhere "Always remeber where you are at" and "you dont have to know what you are doing, you just have to act like it and never let em see you sweat" |
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| 20:14.54 | unsolo | hmm |
| 20:15.06 | unsolo | no one knows what package i can get zlib in ? |
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| 20:15.19 | tarzeau | unsolo: packages.debian.org knows or apt-cache search |
| 20:15.25 | xored | can i change the limit-rate in lftp while a download is running ? |
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| 20:17.50 | unsolo | Unrecoverable error 'PCLZIP_ERR_MISSING_FILE (-4)'Unzip error is that because of missing zlib or missing file ? |
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| 20:18.22 | streuner | What distro do you use? |
| 20:18.22 | nvz | I got some connections up north, a friend of a friend has a beach club on the lake that resides in old Conneaut Lake Park and they need some real help so my experience working with a international food chain is teaching me proven techniques that I may apply there if I decide I want to move again next summer when they reopen. I've already pitched him half a dozen ideas they've applied this year |
| 20:18.29 | streuner | unsolo: ^^ |
| 20:18.44 | unsolo | debian sarge amd64 |
| 20:18.59 | streuner | !tell unsolo about amd64 |
| 20:19.05 | rmayorga_ | hi, does anyone use Debian on a 12'' iBook?, I'm having troubles with my mini-dvi Output |
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| 20:19.49 | rvsjoen | I am unable to log in to while the network is up, kdm just hangs after i enter the password. when I remove ipw2100 module it works fine... any help would be appreciated |
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| 20:20.15 | pickcoder | rvsjoen: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:20.49 | pickcoder | unsolo: http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=30943 |
| 20:21.03 | unsolo | tnx |
| 20:21.05 | rvsjoen | pickcoder: search and two nameservers |
| 20:21.35 | pickcoder | is your hostname in /etc/hosts? |
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| 20:22.06 | rvsjoen | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain thinkpad , thinkpad is my hostname |
| 20:22.43 | rvsjoen | "thinkpad" is also the content of /etc/hostname |
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| 20:22.55 | msoul | Okie, I've finally installed Debian beta 3 (etch) and installed xdm yet I have to startx as a root |
| 20:23.03 | msoul | any idea? |
| 20:23.06 | pickcoder | rvsjoen: dunno |
| 20:23.34 | nvz | msoul: have you tried starting xdm? |
| 20:23.35 | msoul | in order to startx that is |
| 20:23.54 | rvsjoen | ok, ty anyway |
| 20:24.05 | unsolo | pickcoder: oO so it is the version of php that is giving me a heddace ? |
| 20:24.10 | msoul | nvz: thought startup script for xdm should be installed automatically |
| 20:24.38 | nvz | msoul: should that doesnt mean you shouldnt try it manually to see what happens and if it doesnt work get some debuggin output from it |
| 20:25.00 | pickcoder | unsolo: maybe? There's a ton of hits on that error for PHP |
| 20:25.23 | rvsjoen | hmm.. there's a message in user.log, "cannot raise interface wlan: interface lo did not appear" could that have something to do with it ? |
| 20:25.28 | unsolo | hmm.. maybe it is just a small edit in the php.ini on the acess level then |
| 20:25.32 | msoul | nvz: http://modify.us/18 |
| 20:25.37 | nvz | reminds me of when I would say to my dad "it hurts when do .." and he would laugh at me and say "well dont do it" :P |
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| 20:26.39 | pickcoder | rvsjoen: lo is the loopback device that you have everything assigned to, so yes I think it would be a problem |
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| 20:26.46 | amphi | rvsjoen: iface lo won't come up?? |
| 20:26.47 | pickcoder | rvsjoen: what does ifconfig show |
| 20:27.03 | rvsjoen | ifconfig only shows wlan interface |
| 20:27.12 | msoul | nvz: or am I missing something here?! |
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| 20:27.16 | nvz | msoul: wtf is that? |
| 20:27.24 | msoul | oh, nevermind |
| 20:27.27 | nvz | msoul: cd /; /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 20:27.36 | nvz | so I dont have to look at that prompt :P |
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| 20:28.06 | pickcoder | rvsjoen: does /etc/network/interfaces have an "auto lo" interface specified? |
| 20:28.27 | rvsjoen | hmm.. no interfaces file is empty |
| 20:28.35 | pickcoder | auto lo |
| 20:28.40 | pickcoder | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 20:28.55 | pickcoder | ifup lo |
| 20:29.05 | pickcoder | put those 2 lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:29.10 | pickcoder | and run the ifup |
| 20:29.11 | msoul | nvz: it is |
| 20:29.12 | t13b0 | Good evening everybody |
| 20:29.26 | msoul | nvz: I just have no idea why it doesn't work |
| 20:29.26 | rvsjoen | it's up now, will try a reboot.. wonder how lo got removed.. |
| 20:29.53 | pickcoder | rsvjoen: gremlins |
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| 20:30.00 | pickcoder | rsvjoen: annoying lil things |
| 20:30.00 | nvz | msoul: ? type /etc/init.d/xdm start, and see why ffs |
| 20:30.00 | pickcoder | rvsjoen too |
| 20:30.02 | msoul | nvz: if login as a user it hangs, haveto login as a root and startx |
| 20:30.32 | msoul | xdm already running |
| 20:30.53 | nvz | msoul: is X already running on tty7 because you started it using startx? |
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| 20:30.58 | t13b0 | could you tell me, if someone is working on a new debian website ? |
| 20:31.01 | msoul | nvz: Starting X display_ xdm already running. |
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| 20:31.33 | msoul | nvz: no, first I logged in as a user nothing happen I see X then nothing no fluxbox |
| 20:31.49 | nvz | msoul: thats great. you either need to kill X and restart XDM or you neeed to read the xserver log or xdm log |
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| 20:32.09 | fasta | How should the GPL be applied to graphics(e.g. png images) in an application? The preferred format for graphics is their source format as far as I am concerned. |
| 20:32.59 | nvz | fasta: I do believe that information is all avaliable online at gnu.org |
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| 20:34.02 | rvsjoen | yay! |
| 20:34.12 | Guerin | fasta: what is a source format for a photo, for instance? |
| 20:34.25 | Guerin | a digital photo, i mena |
| 20:34.26 | fasta | Guerin: it does not exists. |
| 20:34.28 | rvsjoen | thanks pickcoder |
| 20:34.59 | nvz | fasta: maybe try this on for size http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ |
| 20:34.59 | pickcoder | rvsjoen: np. glad it worked |
| 20:34.59 | fasta | Guerin: consider a logo, and you want to see how they made it |
| 20:35.27 | nvz | Guerin: I'd say a format that includes layers and undo history heh |
| 20:35.29 | fasta | nvz: The GPL FAQ doesn't name the word png nor graphics |
| 20:35.40 | msoul | nvz: thing is, I have to write startx in console in order to start fluxbox or whatever |
| 20:35.53 | nvz | fasta: thats funny I pulled that url for an art licence right off gnu.org |
| 20:36.02 | msoul | nvz: but after a reboot I can't see except X and the light beige screen |
| 20:36.05 | msoul | no menu no nothing |
| 20:36.14 | fasta | nvz: funny that you don't understand my question. |
| 20:36.28 | signuts | So I am having a heck of a time getting debian stable installed on an IBM xServer 220, It doesn't detect my raid / network / etc. How am I to proceed? |
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| 20:38.12 | nvz | fasta: funny that you dont understand that the GPL specifically isnt for that sort of thing but there are things out there applying to art work because much of the artwork you see in these projects is covered |
| 20:39.03 | nvz | you cant try use a free software licence to cover something other than software.. thats why there are specific ones for art, documentation..etc |
| 20:39.09 | fasta | nvz: afaik, many images are included in the source using a blob, making them part of the source code. |
| 20:39.25 | Guerin | the gpl requires that source is "the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it", so you could argue that if a componentised image (such as a layered photoshop document, or a RAW image consisting of a greyscale bitmap and a colour map) is that format |
| 20:39.34 | fasta | Guerin: thank you |
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| 20:39.57 | fasta | nvz: Guerin understood the question earlier than you. |
| 20:40.14 | nvz | fasta: thats funny because I said that to Guerin before he said it to you |
| 20:40.44 | Guerin | it would depend on the particular image, and you'd need to demonstrate that you can't use, say, a dithered and lossy jpeg to make a modified logo. |
| 20:40.56 | fasta | nvz: so funny to talk to you... where did you say that? |
| 20:40.59 | Guerin | oh, i didn't see anything, my damn interweb forze up |
| 20:41.18 | nvz | I said a pictures source code would be layers and undo history |
| 20:41.29 | Guerin | well, undo history isn't quite right |
| 20:41.45 | fasta | nvz: yes, and you said that GPL was a source code license. Thus that art was something else. |
| 20:41.51 | Guerin | since that's rarely saved in an image file anyway, but exists in a particular client program |
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| 20:42.29 | nvz | fasta: yeah read the damn thing.. everywhere in it, it says software including the very first sentance of the intro |
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| 20:42.56 | Guerin | nvz: that doesn't mean it may only be applied to software. There's a lot of written content available under the gpl. |
| 20:43.00 | nvz | and on that website when you click on the link for other types of work there are liscences specifically for documentation, artwork and other things |
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| 20:44.36 | nvz | Guerin: I am aware. I've read Ebooks oreilly published under GPL like that book they wrote about stallman "Free as in Freedom |
| 20:44.58 | fasta | nvz: that would imply intent, still I think the GPL covers the graphics case too. |
| 20:44.59 | nvz | oh wait I think thats under the doc lisc |
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| 20:45.27 | nvz | yeah I think thats GFDL |
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| 20:46.26 | glontu | hello |
| 20:47.15 | glontu | does anyone know why my PHP errors get logged to apaches's error.log instead of beeind displayed in my browser ? |
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| 20:47.46 | nvz | glontu: errors being displayed in the browser isnt usually a good thing unless they are vary vague |
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| 20:48.06 | Guerin | well, there's a lot of art on http://www.gnu.org/graphics, but the licenses aren't exactly clear |
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| 20:48.17 | glontu | but i want to see them ... i need them for debuging |
| 20:48.17 | dserban | Is there a method to watch incoming dhcp requests to a dhcpd server? I see examples in the dhcpd.conf file running conditional classes based on the hardware identifiers that clients send... I want to be able to see these identifiers to create my own conditional classes. If there's a better channel to ask this question in, I'd appreciate a pointer. Thanks. |
| 20:48.22 | Guerin | i *presume* they're gpl, but i shouldn't have to presume |
| 20:48.34 | glontu | and i have this directive set corectly in php.ini display_errors = On |
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| 20:49.26 | nathakr | how do i get my x setup reconfigured? |
| 20:49.26 | pickcoder | glontu: because PHP is a scripting language, as well as a web development environment, the errors are being trapped from stderr or stdout into Apache's logs |
| 20:49.43 | Guerin | nvz: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 20:49.45 | pickcoder | glontu: ask in #php about how to redirect the script output |
| 20:49.45 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:49.47 | tremor | dserban: maybe you can have a look at /var/log/messages |
| 20:49.47 | Guerin | nathakr: |
| 20:49.48 | nathakr | i tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg, but it didn't do anything |
| 20:50.02 | glontu | oke ... thanks |
| 20:50.17 | nvz | Guerin: yeah sometimes thats helpful that it remembers who you were talking to.. other times its misleading |
| 20:50.18 | nathakr | guerin: what? |
| 20:51.01 | tremor | nathakr: do you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 20:52.49 | dserban | tremor: thanks, but that doesn't provide the hardware identifier :s apparently some clients do so. As I look in the /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases file, there's an entry for a uid. Which contains a string of octal characters. This would be good enough to go off of. But I can't fathom triggering a class in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file based on octal characters. I guess I could try it. But experience dictates this would be pointless ;) |
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| 20:54.26 | a1fa | hm.. etch is using gnome ad a desktop, wtf? did i miss something |
| 20:54.29 | a1fa | ~etch |
| 20:54.31 | apt | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 20:54.39 | tremor | dserban: just a shot into the blue .. is it possible, to increase the verbose level of the dhcpd which it uses for logging? |
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| 20:55.09 | dserban | I haven't found any documentation pointing to such a feature... and if so, the syntax escapes me. |
| 20:55.53 | nathakr | how do i re-run the program that configures X when i installed etch? |
| 20:56.46 | a1fa | why does etch install with gnome? when was the decision made to move away from kde? |
| 20:56.55 | rvsjoen | how can I get the xorg server to use 100 dpi fonts instead of 75 ? |
| 20:57.04 | Guerin | a1fa: if you choose 'desktop' it installs both gnome and kde |
| 20:57.19 | a1fa | really |
| 20:57.23 | Guerin | nathakr: i already told you |
| 20:57.24 | a1fa | taksel really sucks |
| 20:57.37 | a1fa | s/taksel/tasksel/ |
| 20:58.12 | nathakr | Guerin: i'm sorry, i'm running epic on a unsupported term type, and it scrolled past the top :/ |
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| 20:58.32 | Guerin | nathakr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 20:58.46 | ^rob^ | hello |
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| 20:59.05 | a1fa | Guerin : it actually only installed GNOME for me |
| 20:59.33 | Guerin | a1fa: well, when I installed 'desktop' it installed both for me, etch beta 3. |
| 21:00.19 | a1fa | same here |
| 21:00.22 | a1fa | interesting |
| 21:00.36 | ^rob^ | anyone has experience with ralink 802.11g wireless pci card? - i need to set up connection with WPA+TKIP+EAP_MSCHAPv2 |
| 21:00.37 | a1fa | gnome is much more usable than kde, for some reason |
| 21:00.51 | a1fa | kde looks so bulky and compared to gnome |
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| 21:01.01 | Verdin | It's pertier though. |
| 21:01.16 | Guerin | gnome is option-neutered |
| 21:01.16 | a1fa | Verdin : debatable |
| 21:01.23 | nathakr | crap... it didn't update anything because it sais that /etc/X11/X has been modified |
| 21:01.25 | Guerin | kde is option-cluttered |
| 21:01.30 | ^rob^ | a1fa: i preffer kde rather than gnome... |
| 21:01.33 | Verdin | We need a middle ground :P |
| 21:01.41 | a1fa | ^rob^ : so did I |
| 21:01.44 | Guerin | gnome railroads you into using only gnome apps |
| 21:01.45 | nathakr | gnome used to be option cluttered... |
| 21:01.48 | Guerin | kde does the same |
| 21:01.58 | Guerin | this is why I use openbox |
| 21:02.34 | nathakr | ok... so if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg won't update my configuration because /etc/X11/X has been modified, is there something i can do to force it? |
| 21:03.10 | a1fa | fluxbox |
| 21:03.22 | ^rob^ | anyone use WPA here? |
| 21:03.26 | tremor | nathakr: recreate the checksum file with the actual value |
| 21:03.26 | a1fa | the overhead kills me |
| 21:03.50 | Guerin | !anyone use WPA here? |
| 21:03.50 | dpkg | No, no one uses WPA here, not even the people who use it. |
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| 21:03.54 | nathakr | what shecksum file? |
| 21:03.57 | nvz | ^rob^: taking a wireless security survey? |
| 21:04.10 | Guerin | nathakr: /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 21:04.58 | Guerin | WPA here? |
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| 21:05.10 | Guerin | bah, stupid putty |
| 21:05.25 | nvz | silly putty? |
| 21:05.29 | ^rob^ | nvz: no - i got a new isp that use WPA+TKIP+PEAP/MSCHAP2 - and they have only Windows support |
| 21:05.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:05.41 | ^rob^ | Guerin: you know WPA? |
| 21:05.44 | nvz | heh |
| 21:05.57 | Guerin | ^rob^: i am blissfully ignorant of all things wireless |
| 21:06.06 | ^rob^ | Guerin: okay |
| 21:06.14 | Seb | sup yall |
| 21:07.11 | Seb | i'm trying to enable suexec with apache 1.3, I renamed /usr/lib/apache/suexec.disabled to /usr/lib/apache/suexec but when I restart apache, it still doesn't say "[notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled" like it should |
| 21:07.16 | streuner | !beer Guerin |
| 21:07.17 | Seb | what am I missing ? |
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| 21:07.32 | nvz | I love my cat5e I show no signs of going wireless |
| 21:08.03 | nvz | I tried it once for a few days using a wireless bridge and then just went out and got a longer cable |
| 21:08.22 | nvz | whole new layer of obfustication to troubleshoot |
| 21:08.35 | blondie | yeah, wireless is sucky |
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| 21:09.52 | Seb | FUD & FUD. It's a just a new technology you guys don't know that well :) |
| 21:09.55 | tremor | so we used wireless for confidential data at the university .. just as media of transport |
| 21:09.58 | nvz | gah damn cat. cant stay in or out of the window has to hang in between the blinds like an idiot so I have to cut her loose when she gets all tangled up |
| 21:10.18 | displaced | lol |
| 21:10.29 | nvz | yeah, its happened before |
| 21:10.38 | displaced | my cat almost killed his self with that |
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| 21:11.23 | nvz | yeah well mine just hung herself from her back leg and screamed bloody murder and woke me up very early in the morning and scratched the piss out of me when I tried to untangle her |
| 21:11.47 | displaced | looking for wireless support on debian. have a friend who had it working and then he tried loading aircrack and toasted his setup |
| 21:11.50 | displaced | dumb cat |
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| 21:12.00 | displaced | mine hung himself by the neck |
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| 21:12.18 | displaced | i woke to him clawing at the wall to get free |
| 21:12.24 | nvz | she's still trying to figure out how to do that I guess |
| 21:12.27 | displaced | dumb cat |
| 21:12.55 | displaced | there's a single line command to get it working, anyone know what it is? |
| 21:13.03 | nvz | the keen hunter that she is.. stalking flies at the window |
| 21:13.15 | displaced | lol |
| 21:13.34 | nvz | but cant even handle a window blind that doesnt fight back |
| 21:14.08 | displaced | yeah, i've got 3 big kittens, one is 9 months and the other two are about 5 months, charging thru the house all night now |
| 21:14.27 | displaced | sounds like a stampeed |
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| 21:14.59 | displaced | any one got any ideas on the wifi? |
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| 21:15.11 | Guerin | no |
| 21:15.20 | LoRez | displaced: get a big amp for the wifi and point it at the kittens until they're cooked? |
| 21:15.24 | nvz | I already got rid of one, I am about to get rid of this one.. its wrecking my house and infesting it with fleas. she'd be better of in a bigger house where she can get outside.. I stopped letting her out months ago cause I dont need any more fleas |
| 21:15.27 | displaced | lol!!!! |
| 21:15.39 | Guerin | or, alternatively |
| 21:15.42 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 21:15.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a dozen three-legged badgers. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 21:16.31 | displaced | dpkg is a bot? |
| 21:16.39 | Guerin | !bot |
| 21:16.40 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:16.53 | nvz | dpkg, person? |
| 21:16.53 | dpkg | i heard person is like a bot, but squishier |
| 21:17.07 | displaced | ok, he got the line from dpkg |
| 21:17.22 | epsilon | no, dpkg is a hot blond woman |
| 21:17.25 | epsilon | !sex |
| 21:17.25 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:17.30 | epsilon | you see? |
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| 21:17.48 | displaced | now how do i get it to tell me? |
| 21:17.58 | displaced | !wifi |
| 21:17.58 | dpkg | from memory, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 21:18.13 | displaced | ok, i missed |
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| 21:18.29 | displaced | !wireless |
| 21:18.29 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 21:18.30 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 21:18.31 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 21:18.47 | nvz | wifi sounds like something you do when you are trying to smell something |
| 21:19.04 | nvz | or some kind of slang for flatulance |
| 21:19.25 | pickcoder | !hifi |
| 21:19.40 | pickcoder | heh.. dpkg is too young to know what that is |
| 21:19.54 | nvz | of course you are probably suppose to read it with long vowel sounds |
| 21:20.22 | displaced | !tcpwrapper |
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| 21:20.30 | displaced | nope |
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| 21:22.22 | i10neorg | Is there a preference of inline or mime for pgp signatures on debian mailing lists? |
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| 21:22.40 | displaced | !802.11 |
| 21:22.40 | dpkg | from memory, 802.11 is a protocol for wireless ethernet. http://www.wavelan.com/ |
| 21:22.51 | displaced | !wireless ethernet |
| 21:23.12 | displaced | !wireless |
| 21:23.12 | timthelion | right now my screen is at 640X480 I typed xrandr --size 1024X768 and it said that the parameter was out of range. I know my monitor goes up that high. I am using a neomagic card. anyone know of a trick? |
| 21:23.12 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 21:23.16 | abrotman | displaced: MSG THE BOT |
| 21:23.21 | displaced | lol |
| 21:23.22 | displaced | ok |
| 21:23.50 | Guerin | hm, well, how hard is it getting dual-head running nowadays? |
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| 21:23.59 | abrotman | xinerama ? |
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| 21:24.12 | Guerin | abrotman: are there other kinds? |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | probably matrox/nvidia/ati have some closed stuff |
| 21:24.51 | abrotman | like twinview or whatever that crap was |
| 21:25.04 | i10neorg | Guerin: you can set up individual "screens" in X instead of using xinerama |
| 21:25.05 | Guerin | nah, I'll be using two video cards |
| 21:25.22 | Guerin | i10neorg: oh, ok, two screens within one x server |
| 21:25.29 | Guerin | that sounds like the ticket |
| 21:25.40 | montoya | io vo a dormi... |
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| 21:51.44 | Guerin | !ac97 |
| 21:51.44 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 21:51.56 | karsten | trellis: check mixer settings, check your permissions. |
| 21:52.15 | abrotman | sloppy: you installed a new kernel |
| 21:52.17 | karsten | trellis: ... and/or add your self to the audio group. |
| 21:52.23 | trellis | karsten: how? |
| 21:52.32 | karsten | trellis: Ask channel. |
| 21:52.35 | trellis | groupadd trellis audio? |
| 21:52.41 | trellis | i'll read.. |
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| 21:54.55 | jerware | hi |
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| 21:56.07 | jerware | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 21:56.11 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 21:56.11 | dpkg | devconsole is, like, http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 21:56.21 | jerware | oh thanx |
| 21:56.41 | mike__ | what's a good way to back up my home folder for when I reinstall? |
| 21:56.50 | mike__ | besides burning a DVD |
| 21:56.54 | freeone3000 | Tape drive. |
| 21:56.57 | freeone3000 | Seperate partition. |
| 21:57.13 | abrotman | upload it to mirrors.kernel.org .. share with the world! |
| 21:57.13 | mike__ | I have it on a seperate partition, but I'm not sure how to do it |
| 21:57.15 | bronze | sync over the net to a spare system of a friend |
| 21:57.20 | freeone3000 | mike__: Cp it over, then. |
| 21:57.27 | freeone3000 | mike__: Well, or mv. It really wouldn't matter. |
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| 21:57.39 | mike__ | hm |
| 21:58.00 | Luke-Jr | Is there a list of system base stuff for Debian releases? such as gcc & glibc versions and CHOST? |
| 21:58.09 | freeone3000 | Base debian doesn't have gcc! |
| 21:58.16 | freeone3000 | "!"? ".". |
| 21:58.19 | Guerin | freeone3000: no shit! |
| 21:58.31 | Luke-Jr | not at all? gcc kinda includes libstdc++... |
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| 21:58.39 | Guerin | freeone3000: debian users almost never NEED to build stuff themselves |
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| 21:59.10 | Luke-Jr | anyway, I imagine there's a particular GCC version associated with Debian releases |
| 21:59.15 | Luke-Jr | for binary compatibility |
| 21:59.36 | Guerin | Luke-Jr: each debian release comes with several versions of gcc |
| 21:59.50 | Luke-Jr | Guerin: which is used for standard system libraries? |
| 22:00.05 | Guerin | Luke-Jr: depends on the release |
| 22:00.14 | Luke-Jr | that's why I'm looking for a table ;) |
| 22:00.22 | Luke-Jr | I want to build my program for multiple releases |
| 22:01.40 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 22:01.44 | Luke-Jr | I know Debian 3.1 uses GCC 3.3, for example |
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| 22:01.50 | Luke-Jr | with CHOST i486-linux |
| 22:01.58 | freeone3000 | Er. The C standard didn't change since 1999. |
| 22:02.00 | freeone3000 | I think you're okay. |
| 22:02.15 | Guerin | Luke-Jr: release source and your progcan be included in debian, or built by individual users. |
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| 22:03.08 | Luke-Jr | Guerin: I want to build it myslef |
| 22:03.26 | Luke-Jr | Guerin: my goal is not a real program, but a cross-compile system |
| 22:03.37 | freeone3000 | That's a program... |
| 22:03.47 | Luke-Jr | freeone3000: C++ ABI has changed quite a bit in GCC, and later releases are more strict etc |
| 22:03.54 | freeone3000 | Ah, I did not know that. |
| 22:04.08 | Luke-Jr | freeone3000: yes, but I'm asking for info to support Debian releases as a *target* |
| 22:04.44 | Guerin | Luke-Jr: just make sure it builds with all recent g++ builds and you'll be grand. |
| 22:04.57 | Luke-Jr | Guerin: that's Debian as the host, not the target |
| 22:05.21 | Guerin | Luke-Jr: you can see what versions are in what releases by searching packages.debian.org |
| 22:05.49 | Luke-Jr | Guerin: and CHOST? |
| 22:06.06 | Guerin | !confuse Luke-Jr |
| 22:06.06 | dpkg | Yes, them is our bacon today, Luke-Jr? trousers of the democracy of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 22:06.13 | Guerin | mm, anchovies |
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| 22:06.43 | freeone3000 | mm, trousers. |
| 22:07.36 | Luke-Jr | wow |
| 22:07.39 | Luke-Jr | oldstable is *old* |
| 22:07.40 | xored | how to connect back to a job, when lftp was moving to the bg and a job was still in queue ? |
| 22:07.47 | Luke-Jr | but I guess that's obvious =p |
| 22:08.45 | Guerin | xored: help jobs |
| 22:08.55 | xored | Guerin: its not under jobs |
| 22:09.02 | xored | when i write "jobs" |
| 22:09.15 | Guerin | xored: then it's not under job control |
| 22:09.34 | Guerin | xored: so I don't know the answer to your question, except "use screen" |
| 22:10.44 | xored | Guerin: i mean, what should i now use screen for ? |
| 22:10.49 | xored | i reconnected to the server, same user |
| 22:10.52 | Stevie-O | everything |
| 22:11.10 | xored | i use it quite often, i mean screen |
| 22:11.29 | xored | but not this time and i wonder how to get the lftp prozess back to stop it and to run it under screen |
| 22:12.01 | Guerin | xored: man kill |
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| 22:15.20 | timthelion | lspci is not accepting the -X as a valid option. I got lspci through the package pciutils. HELP! |
| 22:15.39 | Luke-Jr | !etch |
| 22:15.39 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 22:15.59 | timthelion | !sid |
| 22:16.00 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 22:16.38 | anapivirtua | bye |
| 22:16.40 | tremor | timthelion: is -X really listed as valid option? see lspci --help |
| 22:16.49 | Luke-Jr | wtf... |
| 22:16.53 | adrakoa | does somebody know, where i can find nforcedeth module? |
| 22:16.59 | Luke-Jr | Debian i386 cannot run on an i386? =p |
| 22:17.29 | timthelion | well it is asked for by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:18.47 | tremor | -confused- .. never saw this in this dialogue |
| 22:19.57 | tremor | which step of 'dpkg-reconfigure ...' asks that for? |
| 22:20.26 | timthelion | the one about the address of the card |
| 22:21.10 | tremor | do you have two cards running? |
| 22:21.19 | timthelion | I am having trouble getting a neomagic to display 1024x768 |
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| 22:22.15 | timthelion | no |
| 22:22.57 | tremor | and you're sure, that you have to give this value? |
| 22:23.12 | timthelion | no. |
| 22:24.43 | timthelion | it seems that no matter what I set it goes to 640. even if I set it to ati |
| 22:24.49 | timthelion | and not neomagic |
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| 22:26.22 | timthelion | in the past this card has worked on dsl linux with fbdev |
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| 22:28.25 | Luke-Jr | timthelion: so use fbdev? |
| 22:28.53 | timthelion | it does not work |
| 22:29.19 | tremor | did you had a look at the search engine of your choice? |
| 22:29.52 | timthelion | yes |
| 22:31.59 | timthelion | fixed |
| 22:32.05 | timthelion | the depth was set too high |
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| 22:32.59 | tremor | nice to know |
| 22:33.20 | timthelion | I gues it don't support 24 only 16 |
| 22:33.33 | tremor | I |
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| 22:33.48 | tremor | I'm out for today, good night * |
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| 22:38.09 | fabsoft | hi all, anyone has a hfc-pci card with misdn ? |
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| 22:39.50 | pollywog | I updated my Etch system this morning and now I can't start kde because xorg can't find fonts |
| 22:40.01 | macka | morning |
| 22:40.05 | pollywog | any ideas/recommendations for fixing this? |
| 22:41.28 | Luke-Jr | pollywog: install fonts |
| 22:41.37 | Dewi | pollywog: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-fdbbfad9b02233b11ba1572a631827697766afc4 |
| 22:41.43 | pollywog | Luke-Jr: I never removed them |
| 22:41.50 | pollywog | I will check that out |
| 22:41.52 | pollywog | thanks |
| 22:41.55 | Dewi | pollywog: see last item |
| 22:41.59 | macka | I'm thinking about building a free service for the community in general. Just trying to get an idea as to whether anyone would actually use it if I put the effort in. If you guys have a spare minute, would you mind reading my short blurb on it and expressing interest if appropriate? http://freemon.blits.com.au/ |
| 22:42.07 | pollywog | k thanks |
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| 22:42.13 | shawnr_ | whats the command to rerun the x-server setup |
| 22:42.13 | Dewi | pollywog: I can't guarantee that's your issue, but anyway take al ook |
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| 22:42.50 | pollywog | Dewi yes that is the issue, it reports fixed font missing |
| 22:42.53 | Dewi | !drxx |
| 22:42.53 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 22:44.57 | shawnr_ | Dewi, that command wasn't found.. |
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| 22:45.56 | Dewi | shawnr_: did you run as root? |
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| 22:46.06 | shawnr_ | yes |
| 22:46.11 | Dewi | shawnr_: or better still, with sudo |
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| 22:46.29 | shawnr_ | Dewi, sudo isn't installed on the system |
| 22:46.43 | Dewi | hmm |
| 22:46.47 | pollywog | Dewi: after I have purged that xfonts-base, what then? |
| 22:46.47 | Dewi | ls -l /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 22:47.26 | Dewi | pollywog: still not working? I just looked through the differs on the wiki |
| 22:47.35 | Dewi | pollywog: and that was from june |
| 22:47.43 | pollywog | oic |
| 22:47.47 | pickcoder | are there any known issues with software RAID on etch? |
| 22:47.50 | Dewi | pollywog: how old was the etch you updated? |
| 22:48.05 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.05 | shawnr_ | Dewi, dpkg-reconfigure says 'please specify a package to reconfigure' |
| 22:48.07 | pollywog | it had not been updated in a week or so |
| 22:48.18 | pickcoder | I re-add it, let it rebuild, and it runs for weeks until it shows up failed again |
| 22:48.30 | shawnr_ | dpkg-reconfigure x-server ? |
| 22:48.30 | Dewi | shawnr_: so specify xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg, depending on which you have installed |
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| 22:48.37 | Dewi | shawnr_: like the factoid said |
| 22:48.38 | elimin80 | hi. i recently bought a wireless nic, TP-Link TL-WN320G, but i can't get it to work in linux. help plz. |
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| 22:49.12 | Dewi | pollywog: aah. I haven't updated mine in a couple of weeks. Now you make me nervous about touching it :) |
| 22:49.21 | Guerin | elimin80: do you know whether it works in linux? |
| 22:50.01 | Dewi | pollywog: you could try looking at the bugs list for whatever package you upgraded |
| 22:50.14 | Dewi | pollywog: but you'll probably find you upgraded a whole lot of them |
| 22:50.17 | elimin80 | Guerin: it should. i dont know though |
| 22:50.59 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 22:50.59 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 22:51.25 | ootput | elimin80: you should find out which chipset it has, and then consult linux wireless resources |
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| 22:51.48 | ootput | heh, dpkg said it best |
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| 22:53.53 | Dewi | Guerin: on the other hand, it can be difficult to figure out what chipset something uses until you buy it |
| 22:54.10 | elimin80 | ootput: ralink |
| 22:54.10 | Dewi | Guerin: retailers don't tend to provide much information |
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| 22:54.16 | Guerin | not at all |
| 22:54.40 | Guerin | grab a catalogue or whatever and google the model number |
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| 22:55.03 | Guerin | a bunch of shops even have internet-connected machines which they'll let you use for this purpose |
| 22:55.09 | Guerin | at least here in NZ |
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| 22:56.06 | Dewi | Guerin: I wish. |
| 22:56.33 | RedWork | Q: have any of you gotten partimaged and partimage to work? |
| 22:56.51 | ootput | RedWork: i've used it in the past |
| 22:56.55 | pollywog | I think I just need to upgrade xorg and everything will be okay |
| 22:57.16 | pollywog | doing that now |
| 22:57.18 | ootput | RedWork: though I passed flags to it at the commandline |
| 22:57.22 | RedWork | ootput, I'm trying to use it now and I cannot get the client to authenticate to the server |
| 22:57.25 | Dewi | pollywog: you didn't do that already? |
| 22:57.36 | RedWork | ootput, yup, tried that on both ends |
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| 22:58.28 | pollywog | the x11-common package seems to have a broken install script |
| 22:58.36 | ootput | RedWork: there's a decent guide @ http://www.raoul.shacknet.nu/2006/01/06/partition-images-with-partimage-and-partimaged/ |
| 22:58.44 | ootput | RedWork: i haven't consulted it personally |
| 22:58.47 | Dewi | Guerin: anyway, factoids like that would be better left out of dpkg IMHO |
| 22:58.56 | pollywog | Dewi: the xorg packages would not install until I removed xfonts-base |
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| 22:59.01 | pollywog | they will install now |
| 22:59.02 | ootput | RedWork: it seems to cover all the bases, though |
| 22:59.06 | Dewi | pollywog: aah |
| 22:59.25 | RedWork | ootput, thanks, I'll give it a look |
| 22:59.28 | pollywog | but x11-common seems to be broken and it is holding it up |
| 23:00.10 | enouf | pickcoder: any chance you're using XFS ? |
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| 23:00.51 | Guerin | Dewi: couldn't disagree more. Being clueful starts with making good hardware choices. |
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| 23:01.11 | Dewi | Guerin: I mean the wording of it |
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| 23:01.53 | Guerin | Dewi: it's fairly accurate, though. |
| 23:02.02 | haldrik | hello |
| 23:02.10 | ootput | Dewi: @ !supported by ? |
| 23:02.16 | tonsofpcs | ok, grabbed proftpd, how do i configure users and their home directories? |
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| 23:02.29 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 23:02.31 | Guerin | tonsofpcs: read proftpd-doc |
| 23:02.56 | Dewi | Guerin: a lot of the time the "quality" brands are the ones that don't work in linux (intel etc) |
| 23:03.03 | tonsofpcs | any clue where it put it? |
| 23:03.06 | Mazingaro | please, sarge gnome could mount usb pendrive automagically? thanks |
| 23:03.13 | haldrik | openoffice don't print and , but others applications like kate print correctly this chars. (sorry for my english) |
| 23:03.20 | Guerin | Dewi: you know what's not what I'm talking about. |
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| 23:03.38 | Guerin | Mazingaro: no. |
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| 23:04.01 | epsilon | mysql question... if I make a system backup with "tar cf backup.tar /" while stopped mysqld, will be all mysql databases also backuped and can be restored by extracting? |
| 23:04.03 | Mazingaro | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:04.45 | ootput | it's always good to be mindful of the hardware that you buy. It's best to get into the habit of doing research prior to purchase particularly if you plan on using non-Windows platforms for an extended period of time |
| 23:04.48 | Guerin | epsilon: tar doesn't care about mysql databases, it just tars up the files |
| 23:05.12 | ootput | who knows, it may even make you a savvy buyer ;) |
| 23:05.18 | Dewi | epsilon: you can't guarantee the database will be in a good state at the moment tar runs sequentially over it |
| 23:05.25 | haldrik | openoffice don't print and , but others applications like kate print correctly this chars. (sorry for my english) |
| 23:05.27 | Guerin | epsilon: you want to --exclude=/sys and /proc and /dev and /tmp as well, and unless you want recursion, you want to makew the backup file in /tmp |
| 23:05.33 | Dewi | epsilon: and you will probably find that tarring '/' will choke on things like /dev |
| 23:05.40 | magyar | hi |
| 23:05.42 | Dewi | epsilon: it is advisable to run mysqldumpall |
| 23:05.59 | Dewi | epsilon: er I mean mysqldump with the "all" option |
| 23:06.01 | epsilon | I know, the tar command is just an example, my question was about sql databases |
| 23:06.39 | epsilon | so should I backup the databases separately? |
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| 23:07.04 | Dewi | epsilon: I normally dump the db further up in my backup script, and then leave the *.sql file in some directory I am backing up. Like /srv/dump |
| 23:07.26 | epsilon | ok |
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| 23:08.33 | Dewi | epsilon: getting the files as well couldn't hurt, but mysql will generally complain about locks and things, even if you weren't writing the DB at the time |
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| 23:08.53 | Dewi | epsilon: and if you were... well, who knows :P |
| 23:09.00 | epsilon | ok |
| 23:09.09 | pollywog | Dewi: thanks for your help... the problem is fixed now |
| 23:09.23 | Dewi | pollywog: oh, how did you deal with the broken x11-server? |
| 23:09.37 | Dewi | x11-common even |
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| 23:09.58 | pollywog | Dewi: no the package was okay I just had to manually move /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 23:10.02 | pollywog | then it installed |
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| 23:10.16 | abrotman | pollywog: do you have opera installed ? |
| 23:10.22 | pollywog | abrotman: yes |
| 23:10.23 | Dewi | pollywog: oh. |
| 23:10.30 | abrotman | pollywog: that's why |
| 23:10.43 | Dewi | abrotman: does opera stick something where it shouldn't? |
| 23:10.48 | pollywog | Opera messed with /usr/X11R6/bin? |
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| 23:11.02 | abrotman | Dewi: no .. where it should .. for sarge .. it's a problem when moving to xorg though |
| 23:11.02 | haldrik | Help me please, openoffice don't print and , but others applications like kate print correctly this chars. (sorry for my english) |
| 23:11.05 | pollywog | I wonder if I can reinstall opera |
| 23:11.26 | abrotman | pollywog: basically .. all i had to do was purge opera .. finish xserver-x11 .. then reinstall opera .. all was good |
| 23:11.32 | Dewi | haldrik: do you mean print as in paper or print as on screen? |
| 23:11.45 | haldrik | Dewi: paper |
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| 23:11.47 | pollywog | Opera is still working |
| 23:11.51 | Guerin | bah, those damn widgets on the front of cdrom drives, where you push a button and a door opens and the cd comes out are such a waste of oil |
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| 23:12.22 | twobitsprite | how do I add non-free to my sources.list again? |
| 23:12.27 | Guerin | they provide no functionality over a normal cdrom drive frontage, and yetcan cause problems when they fuck up |
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| 23:13.07 | Dewi | Guerin: you mean those unfolding covers? |
| 23:13.09 | haldrik | Dewi: on screen openoffice writer show correctly this chars, but printing on paper don't work fine |
| 23:13.13 | abrotman | !tell twobitsprite about non-free |
| 23:13.14 | dabreegster | twobitsprite: in /etc/apt/sources.list, add non-free to the end after 'main' 'contrib' etc. But I think non-free was removed from the main repository. |
| 23:13.15 | epsilon | just add non-free behind version: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 23:13.31 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah |
| 23:13.35 | dabreegster | twobitsprite: Some other unofficial apt servers use it, though. |
| 23:13.36 | abrotman | dabreegster: no .. that was non-us |
| 23:13.45 | dabreegster | abrotman: Right |
| 23:13.48 | pollywog | I have a problem with Firefox on the same system, some sites don't render well, cbs.com for example |
| 23:13.50 | abrotman | non-free still exists |
| 23:13.57 | twobitsprite | I see... how is one supposed to "officially" get non-free stuff? |
| 23:13.59 | Dewi | Guerin: my first dvd burner was one of those really complicated ones... feels like it's from the 1970s |
| 23:14.01 | pollywog | parts of that page render well and others have tiny fonts |
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| 23:14.16 | pollywog | Etch |
| 23:14.29 | Dewi | Guerin: you know, where there's no particular slot to put the disc into... you just have to position it basically from sight |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | twobitsprite: read what hte bot told you .. ignore dabreegster |
| 23:14.41 | pollywog | we didn't have computers during the 1970's |
| 23:14.46 | Guerin | Dewi: bah, stupidness |
| 23:14.46 | pollywog | not PC's |
| 23:14.54 | abrotman | pollywog: wanna bet? |
| 23:14.54 | Guerin | Dewi: at least it wasn't a caddy drive |
| 23:14.59 | Dewi | pollywog: I mean tape recorders and things of that time |
| 23:15.01 | Guerin | those things are ridiculous |
| 23:15.03 | twobitsprite | ahh... well.. uchicago doesn't seem to like non-free |
| 23:15.04 | pollywog | oic |
| 23:15.12 | Dewi | pollywog: remember when tape recorders didn't have covers? |
| 23:15.12 | twobitsprite | abrotman, what mirror are you using? |
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| 23:15.24 | Dewi | pollywog: and you'd just kind of jam a tape in sideways |
| 23:15.33 | Dewi | pollywog: some CD-ROM trays remind me of that |
| 23:15.33 | pollywog | oh 8-tracks |
| 23:15.36 | abrotman | twobitsprite: almost all have non-free .. ignore dabreegster, he was talking about non-us which is gone |
| 23:15.44 | Dewi | dicing with death every time you insert media.... |
| 23:15.54 | abrotman | twobitsprite: what mirror are you using ? |
| 23:16.00 | Dewi | pollywog: um... maybe. I'm actually not old enough to remember them except what I see on TV :) |
| 23:16.07 | twobitsprite | abrotman, well still... I added "non-free" to the end of my source line to no avail... uchicago |
| 23:16.09 | pollywog | I am, I am 51 |
| 23:16.34 | Dewi | pollywog: you always see them in british TV police stations, even in the 90s |
| 23:16.36 | abrotman | twobitsprite: it's there |
| 23:16.46 | Dewi | pollywog: they just look like horrible dust catching bastards |
| 23:16.46 | twobitsprite | abrotman, says "bad header line" |
| 23:16.48 | pollywog | Uchicago, site of the first nuclear reactor |
| 23:16.50 | abrotman | twobitsprite: what is your source line ? |
| 23:16.52 | dabreegster | twobitsprite: apt-get update? |
| 23:17.11 | twobitsprite | "deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main non-free" |
| 23:17.23 | twobitsprite | dabreegster, yes |
| 23:17.28 | abrotman | twobitsprite: that's correct .. and it is there |
| 23:17.44 | twobitsprite | er... it's complaining on Release.gpg... |
| 23:17.51 | twobitsprite | Errhttp://debian.uchicago.edu testing Release.gpg |
| 23:17.51 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.53 | Dewi | Guerin: mmmm caddies... I managed to somehow escape ever owning one myself, but whenever I used a friends' it was always broken in some way and barely working |
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| 23:18.07 | Guerin | yeah |
| 23:18.24 | Dewi | Guerin: I remember early in the DVD-R/+R wars I would read about how one of them required the use of a caddy |
| 23:18.26 | Guerin | and you could never be sure if it was the disk, the drive or the caddy which was causing trouble |
| 23:18.26 | abrotman | twobitsprite: try another mirror .. like ftp.ndlug.nd.edu |
| 23:18.28 | Dewi | Guerin: strangeness that was |
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| 23:18.44 | Guerin | or the software, since this was back in the days of trying to burn cds on windows 98 |
| 23:18.46 | pollywog | well I kept my old /usr/X11R6/bin in case I need some of the files therein |
| 23:18.51 | Cools | What does R, S R+ mean when I do ps -u user |
| 23:18.55 | Dewi | heh |
| 23:19.06 | Guerin | Cools: man ps |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | twobitsprite: or pick one that's actually near you .. like gatech |
| 23:19.25 | Dewi | bah. I should do some work. See you later, guys. |
| 23:19.29 | abrotman | twobitsprite: or ibiblio |
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| 23:19.46 | Guerin | i need to check if mah shit has arrived |
| 23:19.59 | abrotman | toilet time! |
| 23:20.14 | twobitsprite | abrotman, I don't know the full URL to those... |
| 23:20.15 | magyar | too much info |
| 23:20.21 | pollywog | yes tmi |
| 23:20.25 | abrotman | twobitsprite: just replace the hostname ... |
| 23:20.35 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 23:21.09 | ootput | ah, coplandOS, such a beautiful gkrellm theme |
| 23:22.05 | Guerin | abrotman: nope, I'm expecting some fishing gear and a watch |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:22.34 | ootput | heh |
| 23:22.36 | tonsofpcs | anyone know how I can set up virtual directories with proftpd? |
| 23:22.42 | ootput | Guerin: what kind of fishing do you do? |
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| 23:23.16 | tonsofpcs | like say i want anonymous to be able to access /mnt/otherdrive/familyphotos/ as ftp://anonymous:emailhere@site/pics/ ? |
| 23:24.01 | Guerin | ootput: landbased salt, usually with baits |
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| 23:24.44 | Guerin | everyone else in the world seems to be all about fly fishing, whihas always seemed impractical to me |
| 23:25.02 | ootput | aheh |
| 23:25.15 | Cools | ok, what is the syntax to show which file is using what port w/ netstat |
| 23:25.19 | pickcoder | what's practical about any sport? |
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| 23:25.26 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: have you tried #proftpd |
| 23:25.31 | ootput | i went on a few tours as a kid, and I've enjoyed it ever since |
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| 23:26.12 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: too many channels ;) |
| 23:26.39 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: uh .. try there anyways ? |
| 23:26.52 | tonsofpcs | lol pickcoder |
| 23:26.54 | Guerin | pickcoder: plenty. team sports increase fitness, develop communication, strategic and tactical skills |
| 23:27.07 | pickcoder | I wonder if there'd be 3 people actually able to answer things? |
| 23:27.46 | pickcoder | team sports causes injuries that typically require surgery |
| 23:27.50 | Guerin | pickcoder: individual sports like hunting/fishing have much nobler purposes, however. They give you a chance to a. Spend a lot of time just doing whatever and b) get some dinner out of it |
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| 23:27.54 | pickcoder | communication I agree with |
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| 23:27.56 | abrotman | pickcoder: so do single person sports |
| 23:28.06 | pickcoder | strategy is more subjective |
| 23:28.12 | Guerin | pickcoder: but they do result in a net physical gain, not a loss |
| 23:28.17 | pickcoder | abrotman: like chainsaw mis-use? |
| 23:28.22 | troubled | abrotman: off topic, try #sports |
| 23:28.38 | abrotman | pickcoder: biking .. skiing .. hunting .. |
| 23:28.52 | troubled | heh |
| 23:28.59 | troubled | evenin.... |
| 23:29.07 | pollywog | hunting is a sport only when the quarry shoots back |
| 23:29.26 | troubled | pickcoder: debian related? |
| 23:29.27 | Xenguy | .oO( where's that monkey? ) |
| 23:29.29 | abrotman | maybe cause you work with pick |
| 23:29.31 | pickcoder | partially |
| 23:29.34 | troubled | pickcoder: if not, take it to #postal |
| 23:29.40 | pollywog | btw I saw a video of a deer fighting back and beating the heck out of the hunter after taking his bow |
| 23:29.51 | Xenguy | haha |
| 23:30.15 | abrotman | i bet there are others there |
| 23:30.19 | troubled | pickcoder: sorry, i maintain a xen like state at all times :) |
| 23:30.21 | abrotman | doh! |
| 23:30.28 | Guerin | pollywog: a bow is a stupid thing to hunt deer with unless there are a lot of you, or you're extremely good with your bow |
| 23:30.35 | pickcoder | whacha smokin? |
| 23:30.38 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:30.40 | abrotman | Guerin: more sporting IMO |
| 23:30.54 | pollywog | yeah but I enjoyed seeing the deer win |
| 23:30.59 | ootput | sports are terrific |
| 23:31.11 | abrotman | twobitsprite: get it? |
| 23:31.12 | ootput | any sport, besides golf (which isn't really a sport, per se) |
| 23:31.16 | Guerin | people always talk about the american indians and their bows and such, while neglecting to mention that bow-hunting was ateam sport |
| 23:31.27 | pollywog | if golf is a sport then so is chess |
| 23:31.28 | twobitsprite | abrotman, ibiblio doesn't like testing/updates |
| 23:31.34 | pickcoder | for some reason, my etch box is having software RAID spasms |
| 23:31.44 | troubled | pollywog: here we go.... :) |
| 23:31.47 | abrotman | twobitsprite: uhm .. that's for security .. it won't |
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| 23:31.56 | abrotman | twobitsprite: for security.debian.org .. it should remain security.debian.org |
| 23:32.01 | twobitsprite | ok |
| 23:32.01 | troubled | pickcoder: ahh. ya I could see the suckage in that |
| 23:32.05 | delusions | hi all, is this the right place for an "debian and opengl" question? or should i try opengl channel? |
| 23:32.07 | troubled | pickcoder: lost data? |
| 23:32.14 | abrotman | delusions: you can try |
| 23:32.19 | pickcoder | spare #0 keeps becoming "failed" |
| 23:32.21 | troubled | delusions: nah, try #questions |
| 23:32.21 | pollywog | oh and video games ;) |
| 23:32.26 | Guerin | abrotman: i tend to agree, since north american hunting consists of a professional guide taking fat businessmen into areas known to contain lots of deer, with a rifle powerful enough to kill an elephant |
| 23:32.30 | pickcoder | re-add it, rebuild, and it runs for several weeks with no errors |
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| 23:32.37 | abrotman | Guerin: we have remote controlled guns! |
| 23:32.39 | pickcoder | then it just "croaks" again |
| 23:32.45 | troubled | delusions: watch for the response in #answers though |
| 23:32.54 | pickcoder | unfortunately, it's an internal mail server here |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: bad cable? |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | troubled: that's not funny |
| 23:32.58 | ootput | troubled: heh |
| 23:32.59 | Guerin | abrotman: heh, true |
| 23:33.03 | pickcoder | abrotman: I have no idea |
| 23:33.03 | mikedub | when i apt-get dist-upgrade to a newer kernel, mus i reboot before I can reep the benefits of the new kernel? |
| 23:33.09 | mikedub | must* |
| 23:33.09 | twobitsprite | abrotman, looks like its working :) |
| 23:33.15 | abrotman | mikedub: at this point in time .. yes |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | twobitsprite: enjoy |
| 23:33.19 | delusions | troubled: are you joking or sth like that? i didnt understand |
| 23:33.23 | ootput | mikedub: yes |
| 23:33.26 | troubled | abrotman: ya, it sucks when ppl keep naggin ya :) |
| 23:33.27 | abrotman | delusions: he's joking |
| 23:33.31 | delusions | ok |
| 23:33.37 | troubled | delusions: nm, inside joke with abrotman :) |
| 23:33.42 | mikedub | alrighty. I'll cross my fingers |
| 23:33.47 | twobitsprite | abrotman, ok, so I remember there was a package for msfonts... apt-cache doesn't find "msfont" though... |
| 23:33.49 | abrotman | delusions: please ask .. and ignore troubled .. he's .. troubled :) |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | twobitsprite: msstcorefonts or something |
| 23:34.00 | ootput | that he is |
| 23:34.13 | abrotman | msttcorefonts |
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| 23:34.25 | abrotman | !info msttcorefonts etch |
| 23:34.27 | troubled | pickcoder: curious about the raid, what kind of choke is it? they just loose sync? |
| 23:34.28 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2 (etch), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 23:34.36 | abrotman | twobitsprite: and those are in contrib |
| 23:34.42 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | troubled: lose |
| 23:34.49 | delusions | ok, i recompiled kernel with agp and drm, and installed my nvidia driver with nvidia installer, now if i startx with 'Load "glx"' i get a blank screen |
| 23:34.54 | abrotman | ack .. nvidia |
| 23:35.16 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:35.16 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 23:35.28 | pickcoder | troubled: mdadm e-mails me that the drive has failed and it's no longer in the --details list |
| 23:35.48 | twobitsprite | abrotman, ahh... and its msttcorefonts :) |
| 23:35.56 | abrotman | i said that |
| 23:36.02 | troubled | pickcoder: sure the drive isnt on its way out? smart test say anything? |
| 23:36.05 | twobitsprite | abrotman, ahh... missed that one :P |
| 23:36.09 | pickcoder | they are brand new |
| 23:36.17 | abrotman | doesn't matter if they are new |
| 23:36.26 | troubled | pickcoder: you never know, although im better its not the hardware too |
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| 23:37.12 | troubled | pickcoder: i know it sucks when it takes a few weeks to reproduce. you thought about maybe snmp or something that can monitor both drives closer? |
| 23:37.37 | pickcoder | troubled: hrm.. they _are_ Maxtors.. so I'm not 100% arguing against the hardware failure |
| 23:37.57 | pickcoder | I have 2 unopened WD raptors sitting here, though. |
| 23:38.07 | troubled | pickcoder: heck, if ones on top of other and its hot out, heat from one rising up could over heat the second. who knows reeally til you see an err msg or explanation |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | pickcoder: i have a 540MB maxtor from 1994 that just won't quit :) |
| 23:38.51 | troubled | abrotman: thats abouot as useful as raid 1 floppies |
| 23:39.02 | pickcoder | abrotman: that's back when QC was more then just a robot running a 10 seconds test |
| 23:39.04 | abrotman | troubled: still works .. can't really complain |
| 23:39.08 | twobitsprite | !wmv |
| 23:39.08 | dpkg | i guess wmv is http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsMediaVideo : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited. |
| 23:39.16 | troubled | abrotman: true. good for backups for sure |
| 23:39.17 | abrotman | troubled: of course .. the original computer it was in still works too :) |
| 23:39.19 | delusions | abrotman: and troubled, thanks :) |
| 23:39.27 | abrotman | delusions: working ? |
| 23:39.29 | troubled | delusions: now what did i do? |
| 23:39.34 | delusions | i'll restart x |
| 23:39.37 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 23:39.41 | delusions | :) |
| 23:39.55 | troubled | serious, wtf I help him with? |
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| 23:40.19 | mikedub | why does apt keep packages back? |
| 23:40.21 | pickcoder | the A/C still isn't balanced and it's near 80 in here, so I guess heat could also be an issue |
| 23:40.32 | abrotman | !tell mikedub about held back |
| 23:40.35 | beardy | mikedub: It doesn't say anything? |
| 23:40.46 | troubled | abrotman: maybe someone was in #questions? lol |
| 23:40.46 | twobitsprite | hmm.... the debian site says the package w32codecs or win32codecs has wmv support, but I apt-get doesn't find either |
| 23:40.57 | abrotman | !tell twobitsprite about marillat |
| 23:41.09 | beardy | !tell twobitsprite -about w32codecs |
| 23:41.14 | troubled | pickcoder: hdmon help? |
| 23:41.26 | pickcoder | lmsensors is on it |
| 23:41.34 | troubled | pickcoder: at least let ya watch the hd temp's |
| 23:42.27 | pickcoder | no hdd sensors |
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| 23:42.46 | troubled | speaking of which, my desktop applet is gone...been noticing lots of random settings working one load and gone the next in gnome this week |
| 23:42.53 | troubled | something is borked for sure |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | troubled: applet ? |
| 23:43.11 | troubled | abrotman: forget what they call em, sec |
| 23:43.13 | abrotman | what does it do ? |
| 23:43.52 | enouf | pickcoder: usung xfs as filesystem ? |
| 23:44.02 | mikedub | beardy: not really. |
| 23:44.07 | enouf | using* |
| 23:44.17 | troubled | abrotman: the gnome built ins that show on desktop |
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| 23:44.24 | abrotman | nautilus ? |
| 23:44.30 | abrotman | troubled: oh .. gdesklets |
| 23:44.33 | pickcoder | enouf: ext3 |
| 23:44.35 | troubled | abrotman: thats them |
| 23:44.47 | mikedub | nothing out of the ordinary. if I apt-get -s install <held-back-package>, like the bot suggests, it doesn't tell me much either. |
| 23:44.50 | troubled | abrotman: had one for my hdmon running, its gone now |
| 23:44.55 | abrotman | i haven't tried using mine in a while |
| 23:45.00 | pickcoder | cheap adaptec SATA controller |
| 23:45.03 | abrotman | mikedub: apt-get install <pkg> .. what does it say ? |
| 23:45.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: what model ? |
| 23:45.17 | pickcoder | uh |
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| 23:45.21 | enouf | pickcoder: ok ... there's this thing with random xfs falling over after some time - but anyways -- how's about the Chipset ICH5 or 7? |
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| 23:45.39 | pickcoder | running apt-get upgrade atm |
| 23:45.39 | mikedub | aha, I get it now. |
| 23:45.45 | abrotman | pickcoder: lspci |
| 23:46.00 | troubled | abrotman: and randomly when I start x, sometimes my gkrellm shows up on all desktops like i set it to, and other times its just on one. its completely randomly loosing settings. and my right click is spuraticsometimes |
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| 23:46.21 | abrotman | troubled: i don't use those for monitoring |
| 23:46.25 | mikedub | I can't just expect an "upgrade" to update these packages, it has to be done specifically for the package |
| 23:46.30 | pickcoder | sata_sil driver |
| 23:46.47 | troubled | abrotman: nm, i started gdesklets and it came back....*shrug* |
| 23:47.06 | abrotman | pickcoder: yeah .. not a real adaptec card .. those sil cards are crap .. and btw .. there are issues with those .. there's a sata_sil_blacklist |
| 23:47.20 | abrotman | mikedub: dist-upgrade will .. read what the bot told you |
| 23:47.28 | mikedub | it didn't |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | then the dependencies can't be met for some reason |
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| 23:47.48 | jende | Hi Fols! |
| 23:47.48 | troubled | abrotman: well, i use gkrellm mostly, but lmsensors doesnt like to tell me hd temp, thus the desklet |
| 23:47.55 | abrotman | ah |
| 23:48.06 | mikedub | well I just 'apt-get install <package>'ed the package without problems. |
| 23:48.10 | pickcoder | well.. it need to boot and I just happened to have an old machine with one in it |
| 23:48.17 | pickcoder | s/need/needed |
| 23:48.25 | pickcoder | I normally use 3ware 9550sx |
| 23:48.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: have you seen the satasilblacklist ? |
| 23:48.36 | pickcoder | but this box isn't worth the $350 |
| 23:48.36 | abrotman | pickcoder: which kernel ? |
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| 23:48.51 | pickcoder | 2.6.15 |
| 23:48.53 | jende | Just one question, which might be a stupid one, but anyway: I just installed using the netinstall CD DEB Etch and it comes up with |
| 23:49.10 | ootput | jende: yeah, pretty silly |
| 23:49.14 | jende | gnome which I dont like |
| 23:49.16 | mikedub | the bot responce for 'kept back' is a little hard to read. |
| 23:49.25 | mikedub | response |
| 23:49.28 | Guerin | jende: that isn't a question |
| 23:49.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/scsi/sata_sil.c .. start at line 84 |
| 23:49.57 | abrotman | pickcoder: mostly seagate .. but one maxtor .. and that's an old version |
| 23:50.00 | jende | due to that I installed - I guess - the lot oof KDE and it still come up with gnome |
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| 23:50.05 | abrotman | pickcoder: could be yours is affected also |
| 23:50.26 | abrotman | jende: apt-get install kdm kde x-window-system |
| 23:50.27 | twobitsprite | !ping |
| 23:50.27 | dpkg | pong |
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| 23:50.31 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 23:50.31 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 23:50.53 | ootput | jende: there's no need to feed us one line at a time. apart from a few lost causes, a majority of #debian'rs should be able to digest a large block of text ;) |
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| 23:51.13 | pickcoder | my drive models aren't listed |
| 23:51.19 | newbcoder | how do I install the nvidia drivers under debian? it complains about not being able to find kernel source; yet I've downloaded + unzipped kernel-soucce-2.6.8 already |
| 23:51.21 | pickcoder | it's a 3112 chip |
| 23:51.28 | abrotman | pickcoder: i just said .. it's an old version of the file .. and not all are listed |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes .. that's the broken one |
| 23:51.52 | jende | abrotman: I'll do that!Thanks |
| 23:51.52 | ootput | !nvidia oneliner |
| 23:51.52 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 23:52.07 | newbcoder | that's one relaly long line |
| 23:52.10 | pickcoder | great.. I get to tell mgmt that I need to spend even more $ |
| 23:52.19 | troubled | abrotman: nm, i turned it on in gkrell for hda, and it was 0 as usually about about 10 sec and then finally started working....no comment :( |
| 23:52.24 | jende | ootput: sorry for being inconvenient...or impolite or whatever |
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| 23:52.52 | abrotman | jende: ask all you want ... |
| 23:52.57 | abrotman | well .. don't be lazy :) |
| 23:53.23 | pickcoder | debian wouldn't recognize the on-board stuff, so I put that controller in it. maybe I can boot off of it now. |
| 23:53.23 | newbcoder | how do I set my backgroudn to black? |
| 23:53.40 | daedalus_ | Can someone kick dpkg? Seems to not be able to update her repository. |
| 23:53.42 | ootput | jende: some friendly bit of advice, is all. When the channel gets busy (as it often does,) it'd be harder to follow your question if you spread it across multiple lines |
| 23:53.53 | rred | I just net-installed etch, and after doing "apt-get install x-window-system gnome-desktop-environment" gdm won't start. I tried going through "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but it leaves my xorg.conf file blank. Any leads? |
| 23:53.59 | daedalus_ | And by kick, I mean poke. |
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| 23:54.07 | abrotman | !info samba sarge |
| 23:54.16 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.14a-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2491 kB, Installed size: 6328 kB |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | seems fine |
| 23:54.21 | newbcoder | how do I set my backgroudn to black? |
| 23:54.33 | ootput | c-a-f2 |
| 23:54.35 | daedalus_ | !find tc-filters |
| 23:54.41 | rred | newbcoder: what program are you working with where you want a black background? |
| 23:55.00 | jende | ootput: the drama is that i'm actually sitting in front of 3 boxes which have to be set up this morning and it is already 2am |
| 23:55.09 | daedalus_ | abrotman: find seems to not work. |
| 23:55.11 | ootput | newbcoder: xsetroot -bg '#....' |
| 23:55.15 | newbcoder | rred: sawfish is my wido wmanager; and I want the destktop bg to be black |
| 23:55.36 | ootput | jende: your boss is an ass |
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| 23:55.58 | newbcoder | ootput, thanks |
| 23:56.05 | jende | ootput: i dont have a boss..these boxes are mates boxes |
| 23:56.08 | abrotman | daedalus_: uh .. |
| 23:56.32 | jende | ootput: i might be paid with a couple of beers...I hope ;-) |
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| 23:57.00 | Guerin | jende: then they don't NEED to be up any time |
| 23:57.08 | Guerin | jende: unless you're thirsty |
| 23:57.14 | ootput | at 2am'ish |
| 23:57.16 | abrotman | daedalus_: seems very slow |
| 23:57.28 | abrotman | daedalus_: use apt-file or packages.d.o |
| 23:57.39 | rred | any ideas why "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" won't touch (or create) an xorg.conf ? |
| 23:57.46 | abrotman | !xorg md5 |
| 23:57.46 | jende | Guerin: Oh yes, they have to as me mates do run their own businesses and due to that...*urgh* |
| 23:57.49 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 23:57.52 | dvs | rred: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 23:58.12 | abrotman | !tell rred about xorgmd5 |
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| 23:58.42 | Guerin | jende: if he's running a business, then he's your boss |
| 23:58.46 | Guerin | jende: and should be paying you to limit his liability |
| 23:58.59 | Verdin | What package can enable me to unzip .ZIP files in Linux O.o. Fileroller isn't working. |
| 23:59.07 | anapivirtua | Meuh ici et la |
| 23:59.11 | Guerin | Verdin: unzip? |
| 23:59.14 | Xenguy | Verdin: unzip |
| 23:59.14 | ootput | Verdin: take a guess :) |
| 23:59.16 | Verdin | LOL |
| 23:59.32 | Guerin | Verdin: fileroller isn't working because unzip isn't installed, I'd guess |
| 23:59.36 | jende | Guerin: ah well, I'm doing it more likely as a favour - 3 more boxes without W$...it's worth it |
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| 23:59.45 | ootput | i haven't touched Fileroller since ximian |
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| 23:59.51 | Guerin | in fact, it probably gives you an error to that effect if you'd care to read it |
