| 00:00.06 | Guerin | eew, ximian |
| 00:00.11 | Guerin | more gnome than gnome |
| 00:01.06 | ootput | (= |
| 00:01.31 | jende | Guerin: *lol* |
| 00:02.03 | rred | abrotman: that was a good lead, but even after overwriting the md5sum with that of an xorg.conf that only contains the letters "blah", and re-running the command, the file still says "blah" |
| 00:02.03 | jetscreamer | more gnoman than gnoman |
| 00:02.29 | abrotman | rred: and the md5sums match ? |
| 00:02.36 | rred | abrotman: yep. |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | uh .. mine don't match :) |
| 00:03.03 | jende | any AUSSIES around? |
| 00:03.18 | Guerin | jende: lots of them in australia |
| 00:03.20 | abrotman | you need a spare sheep ? |
| 00:03.24 | dvs | doh! |
| 00:03.28 | Guerin | and long may they stay there |
| 00:03.54 | jende | abrotman: nope, doon't need a spare sheep, but a new Akubra! |
| 00:04.10 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:04.15 | jende | Guerin: they'll flood the world - sooner or later |
| 00:04.19 | abrotman | rred: any error from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 00:04.30 | Guerin | jende: already happening |
| 00:04.47 | ootput | what, sheep with bladder-control issues? |
| 00:04.48 | jende | Guerin: isn't it cool? |
| 00:04.59 | jetscreamer | i saw a thing on google... woody was testing :o |
| 00:05.01 | rred | abrotman: not that i can tell. i'm going to try it again with 2>error_log this time, we'll see. |
| 00:05.11 | Guerin | jende: i seem to remember the place bing bloody hot |
| 00:05.22 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:05.33 | aelgaron | hi, in cups i dont get access to the admin-pages via webinterface... here is my cupsd.config -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/N6Sd3K75.html |
| 00:05.50 | rred | abrotman: same thing. :(. is there another way of going about this? |
| 00:05.58 | aelgaron | on another pc i use the same config and it works properly :/ |
| 00:05.58 | jende | Guerin: yep, it was damn hot! I used to live there and we had in summer up to 50degrees |
| 00:05.58 | minerale | I just added an entry to my hosts file, when i type 'host neweentry' it does not come up? how can I flush the dns cache ? |
| 00:06.03 | abrotman | rred: you can use the X tool to configure |
| 00:06.12 | abrotman | rred: i haven't used it ... in *years* |
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| 00:07.18 | abrotman | rred: X -configure .. but i'm not sure how well it works |
| 00:07.25 | rred | abrotman: ooh, that worked.... :) thanks! |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | hopefully it works well :) |
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| 00:07.45 | abrotman | rred: don't forget to update the md5 |
| 00:08.00 | jetscreamer | hey speaking of |
| 00:08.07 | jende | Guerin: but the aussies have damn good beers and lovely chi... :-( |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | your dna changed? |
| 00:08.27 | jetscreamer | how come when it bitches about it being altered, it's bitching about /etc/X11/X and not /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:08.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: we should ask gravity some day |
| 00:08.40 | jetscreamer | not updating /etc/X11/X |
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| 00:08.57 | abrotman | erm .. he's here .. whoops .. |
| 00:09.14 | abrotman | chia pet? |
| 00:09.33 | bkhl | Lovely... chiip? |
| 00:09.52 | jende | bkhl: nope... |
| 00:10.04 | Verdin | LOL. My ISP decided to do a modem firmware update, and the update is for Windows :P. |
| 00:10.07 | jende | bkhl: chicks...;-) |
| 00:10.12 | Verdin | Things haven't been going well with my DSL. |
| 00:11.06 | jende | Guerin: would you mind getting me some smokes? |
| 00:11.07 | ootput | jende: coopers is a great tasting beer |
| 00:11.17 | ootput | jende: it's a shame they export their worst beer: fosters |
| 00:11.35 | bkhl | There's some really nice Australian red wines. |
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| 00:11.48 | jende | ootput: coopers isn't bad at all but TOOHEYS is like nothing else!Tooheys - what mates do! |
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| 00:12.21 | twobitsprite | hmm... I can't seem to install mozilla-mplayer... shows a list of depends which "aren't going to be installed" |
| 00:12.21 | dvs | stoned: hey |
| 00:12.29 | stoned | hi |
| 00:12.35 | jende | ootput: nothing compares zo BUNDABERG RUM! |
| 00:12.37 | stoned | I got paid today |
| 00:12.40 | stoned | I'm happy |
| 00:12.44 | dvs | !beer stoned |
| 00:12.49 | stoned | :) |
| 00:12.56 | jende | stoned: lucky you... |
| 00:13.48 | jende | dpkg: have it while I'm having a BUNDABERG! |
| 00:13.56 | dvs | stoned: So, go flip some more burgers and earn some more pay! ;-) |
| 00:14.02 | stoned | lol |
| 00:14.40 | troubled | woohoo! we made /. headlines :) |
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| 00:14.47 | abrotman | stoned: what did you do with it ? |
| 00:15.09 | stoned | paid rent and electric |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | and ? |
| 00:15.14 | dvs | boring! |
| 00:15.15 | stoned | now I have to get my car fixed |
| 00:15.16 | troubled | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/08/tryst-with-debian-etch-beta-3.html |
| 00:15.20 | stoned | no money yet for weed |
| 00:15.20 | troubled | some review i guess |
| 00:15.24 | stoned | i know what you're askin |
| 00:15.26 | troubled | etch preview |
| 00:15.26 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | stoned: work harder |
| 00:15.37 | dvs | stoned: did he fire 6 shots or only 5? |
| 00:15.39 | epsilon | ehh, I have a stupid dependency here, I have a box with apache1 and apache2, now I want to uninstall apache2. But apt-get also wants to remove apache1 :( |
| 00:16.00 | epsilon | how can I remain apache1 on my box? |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | epsilon: paste it |
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| 00:16.23 | stoned | epsilon, don't install apache 2 |
| 00:16.25 | n00rul | epsilon: easy solution. remove both. install one |
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| 00:17.03 | Guerin | !dvs++ # dirty harry |
| 00:17.09 | jende | epsilon: use aptitude instead |
| 00:17.19 | dvs | Guerin: Gotta like 'im. |
| 00:17.30 | twobitsprite | apt-get install aalib1 says it's already installed, but dpkg -S finds nothing... |
| 00:17.36 | ootput | that preview is generally well-written, with the exception of point 2 of 'The Cons' |
| 00:17.55 | haldrik | Hello, how I can reconfigure gs-gnu? |
| 00:17.58 | dvs | Guerin: actually, The Good, the bad, and the ugly was one this weekend |
| 00:18.09 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:18.14 | n00rul | dpkg -l | grep aalib1 |
| 00:18.15 | dpkg | ii | grep aalib1 1.1-13 n00rul's private stamp collection |
| 00:18.43 | jende | twobitsprite: dont know what you're looking for buut what about checking on aalib1 using the apt tools? |
| 00:18.55 | haldrik | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure gs-gnu? |
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| 00:19.14 | twobitsprite | abrotman, dpkg-reconfigure aalib1? |
| 00:19.15 | abrotman | why not? |
| 00:19.16 | twobitsprite | :P |
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| 00:19.27 | stoned | I hate McD's but goddam man I love the Big Mac |
| 00:19.36 | stoned | yummy |
| 00:19.38 | n00rul | twobitsprite: dpkg -l | grep aalib |
| 00:19.38 | abrotman | big king ? |
| 00:19.41 | crdf-jojo | hello |
| 00:19.45 | stoned | hi |
| 00:19.46 | twobitsprite | n00rul, nuthin |
| 00:19.56 | bkhl | Over here there's a much better local chain |
| 00:19.58 | n00rul | twobitsprite: strange |
| 00:20.02 | bkhl | Not that I go for that sort of food often |
| 00:20.14 | stoned | !trout |
| 00:20.17 | stoned | lol |
| 00:20.19 | ootput | i have a bit of a sweet tooth, so McGriddles all the way |
| 00:20.26 | epsilon | abrotman: http://nullstelle.de/log.txt |
| 00:20.30 | dvs | ootput: now that's gross! |
| 00:20.32 | ootput | but I've sworn off MickDees for a while now |
| 00:20.35 | twobitsprite | crdf-jojo, wow... mIRC still has that same "slap" thing?? |
| 00:21.12 | stoned | I figure, a large trout is probably as big as a small whale |
| 00:21.14 | stoned | no? |
| 00:21.32 | stoned | lol |
| 00:21.40 | jende | epsilon: so you dont have aptitude?kinda weird! |
| 00:22.04 | twobitsprite | so yeah... all I want is mozilla-mplayer... :( |
| 00:22.05 | abrotman | epsilon: just remove mpm-prefork |
| 00:22.12 | twobitsprite | and it just doesn't want to installed |
| 00:22.15 | twobitsprite | s/ed// |
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| 00:22.40 | stoned | actually |
| 00:22.47 | DARPANET | How do I remove Totem? |
| 00:22.54 | stoned | twobitsprite, which debian release? |
| 00:22.57 | DARPANET | It's not a package, so I cant apt-get remove |
| 00:23.00 | twobitsprite | testing |
| 00:23.06 | stoned | don't use mozilla-mplayer |
| 00:23.12 | twobitsprite | stoned, what should I use? |
| 00:23.15 | jende | DARPANET: apt-get remove totem |
| 00:23.15 | stoned | it will crash horribly in etch, quite buggy |
| 00:23.17 | ootput | DARPANET: find out which package it belongs to |
| 00:23.22 | DARPANET | jende, .. |
| 00:23.27 | DARPANET | ootput, hmm |
| 00:23.30 | stoned | get mozilla kaffeine plugin if you use that kde thingy |
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| 00:23.42 | DARPANET | stoned, work with gnome? |
| 00:23.46 | stoned | sure |
| 00:23.53 | BucWheat | hi all i'm running sarge on several workstations and from time to time the workstations will freeze forcing me to hard reboot. which logs can i check to see why it freezes? |
| 00:24.04 | stoned | abrotman, is probably our resident gnome expert |
| 00:24.06 | stoned | im a kde man myself |
| 00:24.17 | twobitsprite | stoned, ahh! it installs! I like it already! :) |
| 00:24.17 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 00:24.37 | jende | DARPANET: that's why it is a KDE channel, I suppose |
| 00:24.38 | stoned | well, you've never NOT had an answer pertaiinng to gnome when I've been around |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | DARPANET: dpkg -l totem* .. remove those |
| 00:24.44 | DARPANET | cheers |
| 00:24.56 | abrotman | stoned: not exactly a gnome question |
| 00:24.59 | stoned | i know |
| 00:25.03 | epsilon | abrotman: yeah that's it, apache2-utils caused the trouble, thx :) |
| 00:25.08 | haldrik | Help me, I have a problem with accents, if I print with some fonts for example bitstream vera it don't print accents for example: á=a, ñ=n, I need help please |
| 00:25.36 | BucWheat | what could be the cause of this? |
| 00:25.37 | haldrik | this problem are printing on paper |
| 00:25.48 | BucWheat | what is the best way to troubleshoot a problem like this? |
| 00:25.55 | haldrik | printing to pdf works fine |
| 00:25.55 | twobitsprite | stoned, soo... it installed, but it doesn't show up in firefox's extentions thinger, and movies still don't play |
| 00:26.13 | abrotman | BucWheat: anything special about your setup?like nfs or anything ? |
| 00:26.29 | stoned | twobitsprite, when mozilla/firefox encounters the emdebbded media, it will launch kaffeine |
| 00:26.31 | stoned | er.. embedded |
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| 00:26.48 | ootput | emdebbded |
| 00:26.57 | stoned | I've never been able to make mozilla-mplayer work on anything but sarge |
| 00:27.01 | quebee | is there a data recovery program that works in linux for deleted files? |
| 00:27.28 | stoned | quebee, depends on the filesystem, afaik |
| 00:27.54 | abrotman | your backup |
| 00:28.20 | stoned | get a couple of drives and use raid 19 |
| 00:28.21 | twobitsprite | stoned, nevermind... it works :) |
| 00:28.22 | stoned | 10 |
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| 00:28.38 | stoned | goddamn keyboard |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | htf would raid of any level help ? |
| 00:29.11 | stoned | for future ref. dude |
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| 00:29.24 | abrotman | dude .. it wouldn't help him at all |
| 00:29.27 | stoned | not now |
| 00:29.29 | stoned | duh |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | or ever |
| 00:29.39 | abrotman | raid doesn't help you recover deleted files |
| 00:29.39 | scruffy | does anyone know of any server software for Debian that will stream live WMV video encoded on a Microsoft box? |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | it deletes them all |
| 00:29.46 | stoned | when did I say it would? |
| 00:30.22 | abrotman | <stoned> get a couple of drives and use raid 19 |
| 00:30.32 | stoned | yeh, just saying, use raid 10 |
| 00:30.36 | stoned | its good for your health |
| 00:31.06 | abrotman | but won't help you recover deleted files |
| 00:31.09 | stoned | had nothing to do with undeleting |
| 00:31.17 | stoned | good god, you're like a one tracked mind |
| 00:31.21 | stoned | have a beer or two |
| 00:31.29 | BucWheat | abrotman no. i have twm wm startup at boot with opera in fullscreen mode |
| 00:31.31 | abrotman | you said it right after he asked .. |
| 00:31.38 | stoned | so I did |
| 00:31.39 | stoned | sue me? |
| 00:31.41 | stoned | :) |
| 00:31.43 | BucWheat | abrotman i'm basically running a simple kiosk with sata drives |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | !sue stoned |
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| 00:32.25 | dvs | stoned: fork over the paycheck! |
| 00:32.33 | stoned | bugger off ;) |
| 00:32.35 | jende | @ALL. see ya next time folks! |
| 00:32.55 | bahamat | does anyone know how mkinitrd decides which modules to include in the initrd image? |
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| 00:33.33 | BucWheat | abrotman any ideas? |
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| 00:34.16 | abrotman | kernel crash ? |
| 00:34.18 | stoned | im gonna go upstrairs and have a beer or two, see ya later guys |
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| 00:34.52 | quebee | so is there an undelete program for ext, ext2 file systems that doen't require windows os to run |
| 00:34.53 | dvs | stoned: don't spend it all in one place |
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| 00:36.17 | pickcoder | quebee: try goole |
| 00:36.21 | pickcoder | +g |
| 00:36.36 | quebee | i have |
| 00:36.43 | pickcoder | obviously not |
| 00:36.44 | pickcoder | http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~mojo/undelete.html |
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| 00:37.00 | pickcoder | first match to "undelete ext2" |
| 00:37.04 | crn | is there a .deb for skype? |
| 00:37.07 | quebee | i just thought there might be someone here who knew something |
| 00:37.15 | BucWheat | abrotman how can i troubleshoot it to see if it was a kernel crash? |
| 00:37.36 | pickcoder | if your filesystem is very active you can forget about recovering deleted files |
| 00:38.12 | quebee | ok thanks anyway |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | BucWheat: there are ways to log remotely |
| 00:39.00 | pickcoder | quebee: if you find yourself deleting stuff regularly, you can replace "rm" with a shell script that will cp to a /tmp directory before removing |
| 00:39.41 | Xenguy | quebee: or create an alias 'rm -i' for 'rm' |
| 00:39.50 | BucWheat | abrotman hrmm.. the kiosk do not have access to internet and are in remote locations :( |
| 00:40.36 | quebee | no i dont have any problems I just wanted to see what was lerking in there |
| 00:40.42 | pickcoder | BucWheat: the box can't even send e-mail? |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | BucWheat: lovely .. does this happen if you bring it back and leave it running for a few weeks ? |
| 00:41.46 | BucWheat | pickcoder nope. |
| 00:41.59 | BucWheat | abrotman it happens within an hour or two |
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| 00:42.33 | BucWheat | what i have done in the past is re-image the drive and the problem goes away for about 3 or 4 months heh |
| 00:42.38 | enouf | quebee: lurking in where ? |
| 00:42.55 | abrotman | BucWheat: and you can't get anything useful from logs ? |
| 00:43.05 | pickcoder | BucWheat: is there anyone around that can swap a USB key? You can always automate a reporting session on a manned station. |
| 00:43.19 | quebee | anywher |
| 00:43.40 | quebee | just wanted to check the whole system |
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| 00:43.49 | BucWheat | pickcoder i could have someone put a usb key on it |
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| 00:45.15 | abrotman | if it happens locally .. just test locally |
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| 00:45.34 | BucWheat | yea it happens locally. how do i test locally |
| 00:45.42 | BucWheat | what should i do after i bring the system back up |
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| 00:50.22 | abrotman | look in all the logs ! :) |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | BucWheat: if you don't run X .. does it happen ? |
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| 00:52.15 | DARPANET | how could I install fluxbox, without removing gnome? |
| 00:52.26 | DARPANET | As in, having fluxbox in use, but gnome settings untouched |
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| 00:52.31 | DARPANET | so they can be recovered |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 00:53.11 | DARPANET | abrotman, but what would happen to my gnome layout and stuff? |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | nothing |
| 00:53.24 | DARPANET | How could I recover? |
| 00:53.34 | DARPANET | as soon as I remove fluxbox it'd come back? |
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| 00:53.47 | abrotman | you can use whichever you want and decide when you login |
| 00:53.56 | BucWheat | abrotman unfortunately the problem on happens in the field and i have never been able to reproduce it on my workbench |
| 00:54.07 | BucWheat | i'll check all of the logs again |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | BucWheat: wait .. i thought oyu could |
| 00:54.18 | BucWheat | will kernel crash be reported in logs ? |
| 00:54.24 | BucWheat | abrotman no. i can't |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | BucWheat: it happens in minutes at the client? |
| 00:54.41 | abrotman | BucWheat: but if you plug it in at your office .. it runs forever ? |
| 00:54.42 | BucWheat | about an hour or two |
| 00:55.17 | pickcoder | user mis-intervention is hard to reproduce |
| 00:55.19 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 00:55.27 | abrotman | BucWheat: wht's the difference between your office and the remote site? |
| 00:55.39 | BucWheat | abrotman something like that. whenever they call me with this problem i have brought the machine back and tested it and i couldn't find any fault in it. now i do not have the external equipment connected to it as they do in the field |
| 00:56.07 | abrotman | BucWheat: external equipment ? |
| 00:56.17 | disasm | trying to get kerberos running, i ran netstat, and nothing is running on 88, i get an error when i run kinit: kinit(v5): Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm while getting initial credentials |
| 00:56.24 | pickcoder | BucWheat: you can't troubleshoot something from the field, without reproducing the field parameters |
| 00:56.46 | BucWheat | pickcoder *sigh* true |
| 00:57.10 | BucWheat | abrotman machinery connects to the kiosk and the kiosk displays info about the machine connected to it |
| 00:58.19 | pickcoder | BucWheat: do you have a custom daemon monitoring the equipment? |
| 00:58.23 | abrotman | BucWheat: bank hardware sucks! |
| 00:58.39 | dvs | abrotman: yup |
| 00:58.40 | BucWheat | abrotman hehe |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | a .com i worked for did the kiosk thing .. what a mess |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | and it was for banks |
| 00:59.23 | BucWheat | pickcoder no. just a C program that gathers data from the machine continuously |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | BucWheat: ok .. you don't have any such hardware? |
| 00:59.32 | abrotman | BucWheat: change counter! |
| 00:59.35 | BucWheat | nah no banks |
| 00:59.38 | BucWheat | heh |
| 00:59.44 | pickcoder | BucWheat: if the kernel is croaking, then it could be a run-away process sucking up memory |
| 01:00.23 | abrotman | BucWheat: you can't get any of this hardware to test ? |
| 01:00.31 | pickcoder | a small memory hole can take down a box in hours, if it's allowed to thrash around 24/7 |
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| 01:01.12 | BucWheat | abrotman yes i can. i'm going to have to because re-imaging drives every 3 months is so unprofessional |
| 01:01.29 | abrotman | no crap :) |
| 01:01.40 | pickcoder | abrotman: I doubt it's the connectivity |
| 01:01.45 | abrotman | BucWheat: are the partitions filling up ? |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | pickcoder: depends what kind of access the hardware does ..and how the app runs |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | hardware has |
| 01:02.12 | BucWheat | abrotman hrmm... never thought of that it is an 80gb drive. let me check out the hdd partitioning scheme |
| 01:02.29 | pickcoder | oh yeah.. a full / will definately kill it too |
| 01:02.35 | pickcoder | I know from experience |
| 01:02.37 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 01:03.11 | abrotman | BucWheat: and if it crashes when it fills .. it might not write out whatever it is .. which would free up some space ... |
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| 01:03.27 | abrotman | uhm .. i didn't word that right |
| 01:03.29 | BucWheat | i basically have 2 partitions: / and /var |
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| 01:03.43 | abrotman | are either full? |
| 01:03.47 | BucWheat | ./ is 15gb and /var is 58gb |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | BucWheat: should be enough :) |
| 01:03.55 | BucWheat | yup |
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| 01:04.09 | BucWheat | simple kiosk. mysql, perl, webapp type stuff |
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| 01:04.36 | abrotman | BucWheat: can you get one to write free or vmstat to a file periodically |
| 01:05.03 | BucWheat | sure. i have one on my bench now. i'm ssh'd in now as a matter of fact |
| 01:05.14 | abrotman | but it doesn't crash there!!!!!!! |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | !ep |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 01:05.24 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:05.34 | BucWheat | abrotman just type in write free ? |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | BucWheat: but it won't be the same there |
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| 01:06.27 | pickcoder | gah I wanna go home |
| 01:06.37 | dvs | pickcoder: then go home! ;-) |
| 01:06.43 | rred | abrotman: well, i pulled out all the packages with --purge and re-installed, and somehow it works this time. wierd. |
| 01:06.43 | pickcoder | can't just yet |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | rred: yay? :) |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | !prize rred |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | no bot!!! |
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| 01:07.50 | pickcoder | hammers always work with the square peg - round hole deal |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | dpkg works on oftc .. but not freenode |
| 01:08.01 | dvs | @hi |
| 01:08.02 | ravenbird | Many greetings, dvs, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 01:08.09 | dvs | de fuck? |
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| 01:08.20 | abrotman | oh .. weird |
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| 01:12.14 | pickcoder | yay: 2 hours worth of EOD processes and file backups is done |
| 01:12.29 | k31th | pickcoder: EOD ? |
| 01:12.35 | dvs | end of day |
| 01:12.40 | k31th | ahhh i see |
| 01:12.45 | k31th | abrotman: sup dude |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:12.49 | BucWheat | i currently use norton ghost to image/re-image my debian boxes. what do you all use? |
| 01:13.01 | dvs | BucWheat: the same |
| 01:13.09 | CHodapp | 'dd' because that's about all Ghost is :P |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | !info systemimager |
| 01:13.14 | CompWizrd | BucWheat: tar |
| 01:13.19 | bkhl | Can't you use parted for that? |
| 01:13.19 | BucWheat | i've tried mondorescue but could never get it to work |
| 01:13.24 | CHodapp | bkhl, yes. |
| 01:13.25 | dvs | @info systemimager |
| 01:13.30 | k31th | quick question guys, would you run Debian 64bit version for a server? |
| 01:13.37 | k31th | needs to be stable |
| 01:13.38 | CompWizrd | k31th: depends on what the server is doing |
| 01:13.40 | bkhl | That's what I use to move partitions between disks, anyway |
| 01:13.53 | BucWheat | bkhl but is it user friendly? |
| 01:14.06 | bkhl | BucWheat: there's a couple of GUI front ends for it. |
| 01:14.15 | abrotman | k31th: depends on the rest of the needs |
| 01:14.16 | bkhl | BucWheat: but it's easy to use in itself too, I'd say |
| 01:14.17 | k31th | nothing special only rsync backups... but i was thinking along the lines of "if the cpu is 64bit why not use a 64bit OS?" |
| 01:14.27 | bkhl | BucWheat: just about 10-15 pretty straight forward commands |
| 01:14.44 | BucWheat | bkhl reason being is because i'm having a time distributing updates of my web-based kiosk to clients |
| 01:14.56 | BucWheat | and i do not wany symantec knocking on my door |
| 01:15.06 | dvs | heh |
| 01:15.09 | bkhl | QtParted might work? |
| 01:15.20 | k31th | So I guess im better off with just straight sarge i386 ? |
| 01:16.13 | k31th | i belive this box had ubumtu 64bit on it and it would randomly kernel panic |
| 01:16.28 | pickcoder | ubumtu.. heh |
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| 01:16.39 | k31th | hehe |
| 01:17.25 | k31th | pickcoder: its what my gcc screen saver friends call it (there gentoo users) |
| 01:17.47 | CompWizrd | ... gcc screen saver/ |
| 01:18.00 | CompWizrd | like the matrix screen saver, but scrolls the other way/ |
| 01:18.05 | k31th | lol |
| 01:18.07 | CompWizrd | why is my shift-fu weak tonight? |
| 01:18.17 | k31th | and stops on broken ebuilds |
| 01:18.58 | BucWheat | abrotman i got the same equipment connected to workbench now i'm going to leave it running and hopefully i can reproduce the problem |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 01:19.17 | Daveman | abrotman? |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | BucWheat: i'd be interested to follow along .. even though i'll be sleepy soon |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 01:19.24 | Daveman | hello :) |
| 01:19.34 | Daveman | abrotman, tired already? ;) |
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| 01:19.50 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm getting old |
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| 01:19.56 | Daveman | aww =[ |
| 01:20.07 | ootput | we're all getting old |
| 01:20.08 | k31th | got to setup my new backup server tomorrow can hardly wait woo! |
| 01:20.09 | ootput | ;) |
| 01:20.12 | BucWheat | abrotman oh i'll be leaving soon just thought i'd let you konw :) |
| 01:20.18 | BucWheat | i'll keep you posted don't worry |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | BucWheat: yay! |
| 01:21.34 | Daveman | yay? |
| 01:21.42 | Daveman | What's all this excitement about, old man? ;) |
| 01:22.24 | twobitsprite | so... I have the msttcorefonts installed, but things still look like crap... |
| 01:22.33 | fabsoft | hi all, anyone has a hfc-pci card with misdn ? |
| 01:23.11 | BucWheat | any ploticus users in chan? |
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| 01:26.03 | jair | anyone here have tryied to install vmware workstation or vmware server free edition under debian? |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | Daveman: BucWheat has weird problems |
| 01:26.23 | Daveman | haha, okay - so that's awesome? :) |
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| 01:26.35 | abrotman | he'll keep me in the loop . .but i've heard that before :) |
| 01:26.38 | Daveman | abrotman, ah so I see BucWheat's providing your evening entertainment ;) |
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| 01:27.07 | abrotman | Daveman: it's either that or i have to wait for baseball or play guitar |
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| 01:28.14 | Daveman | sounds good to me :) |
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| 01:28.44 | BucWheat | i'm ssh'd in running top so far no lock ups |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 01:29.10 | asg | ah, thanks |
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| 01:31.59 | BucWheat | bbl...going home |
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| 01:32.21 | twobitsprite | hmm... restarting X didn't help... |
| 01:32.41 | twobitsprite | for some reason, certain fonts look crappy... mostly on webpages |
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| 01:33.07 | twobitsprite | looks like it's not using a bitmapped font, instead of a vector based one... |
| 01:33.36 | pickcoder | yay.. bbl |
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| 01:39.03 | ResPiDeR | differences between debian and debian 64 is only the kernel or applications are comming 64 bits too? |
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| 01:41.50 | abrotman | ResPiDeR: in pure64 .. it's all 64bit |
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| 01:44.02 | ResPiDeR | abrotman: what do u mean by pure64? |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:44.34 | dpkg_ | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | !pure64 |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 01:44.46 | dpkg_ | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 01:46.12 | ResPiDeR | abrotman: so I shoud get an amd64, not ia64 if I got an athlon64? |
| 01:46.19 | ResPiDeR | is it ok for home users? |
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| 01:46.39 | abrotman | ResPiDeR: did you spend 10k on your machine ? |
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| 01:50.36 | abrotman | Rez: can you make him dpkg again ? |
| 01:50.36 | ResPiDeR | abrotman: why? its a athlon64 3800+ |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | ResPiDeR: if you didn't spend 10k .. it's not ia64 |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | dpkg_: wantnick |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | grr |
| 01:50.37 | Rez | abrotman: only by killing him |
| 01:50.37 | ResPiDeR | abrotman: I dont know the difference, sorry |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | Rez: but you can't do the wantnick magic ? |
| 01:50.38 | maxxle | I have a problem with my debian/etch box. I try to get the 2.6.17kernel up and running. I have configured the kernel with support for: 'MTRR', '/dev/agpgart', 'Intel Chipset Support' , 'Direct Rendering Manager' and 'ATI Radeon'. When I start X it is f**** slow and I get into trouble with tooltips and in my console isn't displayed everything. Any Idea |
| 01:50.38 | Rez | abrotman: nope |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | ack! |
| 01:50.39 | Rez | it'll come back |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | i told don it was freaking out |
| 01:50.40 | liable | poor old dpkg seems to be getting a bit buggy |
| 01:50.40 | ResPiDeR | abrotman: where do I find pure64 iso? |
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| 01:51.23 | abrotman | ResPiDeR: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 01:51.51 | ResPiDeR | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:51.55 | ResPiDeR | these arent pure, right? |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | that's pure64 |
| 01:52.30 | abrotman | btw .. there's no flash for pure64 |
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| 01:52.48 | ResPiDeR | I dont care |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | dpkg: come back! |
| 01:53.19 | CompWizrd | there's not much in flash for x86 anyways, so there's not much loss |
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| 01:55.51 | jesseman_ | !ne1 |
| 01:56.04 | jesseman_ | oh crap, no dpkg :( |
| 01:56.10 | sussudio | %ne1 |
| 01:56.13 | sussudio | meh. |
| 01:56.29 | abrotman | @ne1 |
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| 01:56.31 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 01:56.31 | ravenbird | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you |
| 01:56.33 | sussudio | %ne1 |
| 01:56.34 | badgers | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 01:57.45 | jesseman_ | !wud |
| 01:57.58 | jesseman_ | =/ |
| 01:58.19 | peterS | jesseman_: it's ok, we know what wud means |
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| 01:58.29 | sussudio | %do jesseman_ |
| 01:58.42 | jesseman_ | excellent monday night action |
| 01:58.44 | jesseman_ | on the internet |
| 01:58.46 | jesseman_ | =/ |
| 01:58.56 | jesseman_ | =D |
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| 02:01.06 | Daveman | -_-; |
| 02:01.07 | asg | %ice weasels |
| 02:02.35 | abrotman | %ice asg |
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| 02:04.17 | thingfish | ice weasels... |
| 02:04.28 | thingfish | I actually really like that a lot. |
| 02:04.45 | asg | %ice ice baby abrotman |
| 02:04.57 | abrotman | %hammertime |
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| 02:05.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | badgers: listkeys hammer |
| 02:05.12 | thingfish | I want some of those puffy pants. |
| 02:05.13 | badgers | Factoid search of 'hammer' by key (4): hammer ;; hammerabi chull: sarge ;; _default hammer ;; #debian hammer. |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | %hammer |
| 02:05.18 | badgers | hammer is, like, the thing if you have it, everything looks like a nail. |
| 02:05.23 | abrotman | ohwell |
| 02:05.25 | thingfish | tsk |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | wtf is |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | %hammerabi chull: sarge |
| 02:05.37 | badgers | it has been said that hammerabi chull: sarge is more recent than hoary in most ways, older than breezy. otherwise, about the same. |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | oh .. stupid person mistake |
| 02:05.50 | thingfish | yeah I was kind of wondering that myself |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | %factauth hammerabi chull: sarge |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | hrm .. bad command duh .. oh well |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | %factinfo hammerabi chull: sarge |
| 02:06.15 | badgers | hammerabi chull: sarge -- created by chull <i=lkqdoqik@c-71-56-76-189.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> at Thu Dec 29 00:13:14 2005 (243 days); it has been requested once, last by abrotman, 38s ago. |
| 02:06.18 | asg | abrotman: it's probably going to say Cthulhu |
| 02:06.23 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | badgers: forget hammerabi chull: sarge |
| 02:06.28 | badgers | i forgot hammerabi chull: sarge, abrotman |
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| 02:09.31 | abrotman | %moo |
| 02:09.31 | badgers | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:10.39 | Daveman | heehee |
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| 02:12.30 | hyksos | why banned? |
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| 02:15.19 | hyksos | can i connect 3 separate networks with 2 network cards and a bridge-software? |
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| 02:15.34 | chable | hi |
| 02:15.39 | hyksos | ho |
| 02:16.03 | chable | :) |
| 02:16.04 | peterS | hyksos: don't start |
| 02:16.08 | chable | he cant :) |
| 02:16.18 | hyksos | chable :why? |
| 02:16.22 | chable | coz i can :) |
| 02:16.28 | hyksos | chable :? |
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| 02:16.36 | Wyzard | Yay, my T20 has a working backlight once again |
| 02:16.50 | peterS | hyksos: you were banned because you didn't stop being stupid when you were asked nicely. don't start doing the same thing here. |
| 02:16.50 | hyksos | Wyzard :wow, only one? |
| 02:16.50 | Wyzard | Time for two weeks worth of sid updates... |
| 02:17.12 | chable | its ok peterS :) |
| 02:17.16 | Wyzard | hyksos: Only one? |
| 02:17.23 | chable | it doesnt affect me |
| 02:17.26 | Wyzard | hyksos: Laptops generally only have one backlight... |
| 02:17.27 | hyksos | Wyzard :only one backlight? |
| 02:17.27 | peterS | chable: it's not about you |
| 02:17.34 | hyksos | Wyzard :sorry |
| 02:18.56 | chable | ok |
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| 02:24.09 | linux2 | anyone know how i can write to a 5 1/4" floppy drive i have? |
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| 02:24.17 | linux2 | it always says read only filesystem |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | is it write protected ? |
| 02:24.30 | linux2 | i covered over the little nitch with some tape |
| 02:24.36 | linux2 | abrotman, brand new |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | ha! .. 5.25" floppy .. brand new .. |
| 02:24.58 | linux2 | abrotman, it is possible i suppose the device has some jumpers on it that limit this |
| 02:24.59 | peterS | linux2: the notch means the opposite thing with 5 1/4 as with 3 1/2. _no_ hole means write protected. |
| 02:25.07 | linux2 | abrotman, the disks are new |
| 02:25.12 | peterS | linux2: you _need_ the hole in order to write |
| 02:25.17 | abrotman | new for 1994! |
| 02:25.32 | abrotman | and you need another hole to make it double sided |
| 02:25.36 | linux2 | well i bought the disks in the original packaging |
| 02:25.39 | chable | anyone knows how to configure pengaol ? |
| 02:25.46 | linux2 | abrotman, well it still won't write to it |
| 02:25.50 | linux2 | with or without the hole |
| 02:25.59 | abrotman | have you formatted it ? |
| 02:26.19 | peterS | linux2: you definitely want the hole. what type of disk is it? |
| 02:27.40 | peterS | i.e., is it DSDD, or DSHD, or what |
| 02:28.06 | linux2 | peterS, DSHD |
| 02:28.36 | peterS | linux2: try with device /dev/fd0h1200, see if that works any different from /dev/fd0 |
| 02:28.48 | peterS | (or fd1* if it's your second drive..) |
| 02:28.54 | minerale | Is it possible to turn of the gnome effects, ie the little shadow windows that appear when minimising ? |
| 02:30.56 | ike | i install debina in one disk with xp, but when i in xp del the debian's part, the grub has error22, and can not into xp |
| 02:30.57 | linux2 | peterS, that didn't do anything. it says it wrote but all it did was make that device and didn't do anything with the actual drive |
| 02:31.02 | ike | how can i do? |
| 02:31.22 | peterS | linux2: what sort of command are you using to write to the disk? |
| 02:31.35 | linux2 | dd if=/home/will/floppy\ backup/floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 02:31.50 | peterS | linux2: ahhh, and fd0h1200 did not exist, so it just created it as a regular file? |
| 02:31.59 | linux2 | peterS, yep |
| 02:32.22 | peterS | linux2: ok remove the file. then 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV fd0' |
| 02:32.30 | peterS | linux2: then the device should exist. then try it |
| 02:33.21 | CompWizrd | is the disk formatted? |
| 02:33.28 | CompWizrd | most 5.25's weren't |
| 02:33.39 | linux2 | peterS, ok now what? |
| 02:33.42 | abrotman | i asked him if he formatted it |
| 02:33.45 | CompWizrd | ah, sorry |
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| 02:33.51 | abrotman | he never said yes/no |
| 02:33.53 | linux2 | i cannot formatt it |
| 02:33.59 | linux2 | it just says read only |
| 02:34.16 | abrotman | where's toresbe when you need him |
| 02:34.17 | linux2 | mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 02:34.17 | linux2 | mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock |
| 02:34.27 | Wyzard | ike: That's more of a Windows question, but... boot the Recovery Console from the Windows installation CD, and run "fixmbr" |
| 02:34.47 | peterS | linux2: so I wonder why it thinks it's write-protected. the notches in both sides of the floppy are open? |
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| 02:34.54 | Wyzard | ike: Your problem is that you deleted part of GRUB when you deleted your Debian partition, so the GRUB code in your MBR doesn't work anymore |
| 02:35.11 | linux2 | peterS, there is only a notch on one side |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | peterS: are you sure fd0 is the 5.25? |
| 02:35.22 | linux2 | i can write to it in dos on the old comp im trying to get this info to |
| 02:35.33 | linux2 | abrotman, yep, there is only fd0 |
| 02:36.08 | peterS | linux2: you said it's a double-sided disk - traditionally that means it should have notches on both sides. you might try making a second notch with a hole punch |
| 02:36.32 | CompWizrd | or flip it over :) |
| 02:36.41 | linux2 | CompWizrd, already tried that |
| 02:37.02 | CompWizrd | it's been so long since i used a 5.25" disk i can't remember if you need to flip it over or if the drive has two read heads :) |
| 02:37.18 | peterS | CompWizrd: on IBM PC compatibles, it's a double-sided drive |
| 02:37.33 | linux2 | yes |
| 02:37.36 | linux2 | i think i got an idea |
| 02:37.43 | linux2 | i have more than one floppy drive |
| 02:37.49 | linux2 | i shall try the other and see |
| 02:38.01 | linux2 | brb |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | punch a hole in both sides .. try again |
| 02:39.10 | peterS | scissors work too, if you can't find a hole punch handy |
| 02:39.35 | CompWizrd | ... and not one question about why he's using 5.25 disks :) |
| 02:39.49 | daedalus_ | I was about to ask.... :) |
| 02:39.54 | CompWizrd | wonder if his image file is corrupt |
| 02:39.55 | peterS | CompWizrd: not questions but we did ask him about that earlier, it was hard to believe |
| 02:40.14 | peterS | CompWizrd: whether the image file is corrupt is way beside the point. that isn't the error he's dealing with |
| 02:40.33 | CompWizrd | he mentioned problems with mounting it |
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| 02:42.25 | linux2 | ok it appears to have fixed it somewhat |
| 02:42.31 | linux2 | no more read only error |
| 02:42.39 | linux2 | 0+0 records in |
| 02:42.39 | linux2 | 0+0 records out |
| 02:42.39 | linux2 | 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 8.5e-05 seconds, 0.0 kB/s |
| 02:42.43 | linux2 | it just not copying anything |
| 02:43.00 | peterS | linux2: btw, just an aside: 'dd if=filename of=/dev/fd0' is a lot more cumbersome to type and hard to remember than 'cp filename /dev/fd0' |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | linux2: what fixed it? |
| 02:44.05 | linux2 | i don't think it likes me |
| 02:44.08 | linux2 | well now i can write to it i think |
| 02:44.11 | linux2 | im still trying to |
| 02:44.16 | linux2 | its not reporting the read only error |
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| 02:44.56 | linux2 | abrotman, cutting the hole |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:45.10 | abrotman | oh .keep cutting bigger holes |
| 02:45.17 | jelly-home | you don't need to flip disks on PCs, that's for C64 ;-) |
| 02:45.17 | linux2 | fdisk says: Unable to read /dev/fd0 |
| 02:45.25 | CompWizrd | pfft, take it right out of the sleeve! |
| 02:45.26 | CompWizrd | ;) |
| 02:45.32 | peterS | linux2: if dd reports 0 bytes copied, but no error, double check your image file to make sure it's not empty |
| 02:45.38 | chable | linux2 are u using sata disk ? |
| 02:45.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: on some you did |
| 02:46.00 | peterS | chable: uh. I sure hope not. most floppy drives are on a floppy controller |
| 02:46.03 | linux2 | chable, 5 1/4" floppy disk |
| 02:46.08 | chable | oh |
| 02:46.19 | chable | im lost between 2 windows :) |
| 02:46.28 | chable | on the other channel , a guy cant boot :) |
| 02:46.31 | linux2 | ok i am going to try the other floppy disk |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | so close one |
| 02:46.36 | linux2 | just give me a sec to reboot |
| 02:46.46 | linux2 | im not sure how well these drives actually function |
| 02:46.49 | linux2 | they were free |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | shocker |
| 02:47.14 | linux2 | abrotman, i really spend about 200 on them |
| 02:47.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: Eh, I haven't even seen a single sided drive in a PC compatible. However the first PC I worked on was XT (Amstrad 1512), and it had a DS/DD floppy. |
| 02:47.36 | jelly-home | *ever |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | as in .. Double Sided ? |
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| 02:47.51 | jelly-home | double density! |
| 02:48.00 | abrotman | DoubleSided/DoubleDensity |
| 02:48.05 | jelly-home | whooping 360KB! |
| 02:48.16 | CompWizrd | there's one in me room somewhere |
| 02:48.21 | linux2 | i got some commodore 64 games i would like to backup also |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | bakcup ? |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | use tape .. jeez .. get with the times |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | hook up the C64 to the cassette recorder .. back that stuff up! |
| 02:48.47 | CompWizrd | i wonder if my zx81 tapes are too far gone... |
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| 02:49.54 | linux2 | does anyone know what File system c64 floppies are in? |
| 02:50.24 | jelly-home | linux2: custom format, not readable with normal PC floppy controller. |
| 02:50.24 | peterS | linux2: they've got their own filesystem, nothing supported by linux |
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| 02:50.34 | abrotman | yay dd! |
| 02:50.34 | linux2 | dammit |
| 02:50.40 | Stevie-O | peterS: Something Linux can't read? are you serious? |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | if you use dd .. you cna make an image :) |
| 02:50.50 | Stevie-O | Linux can read filesystems I've never heard of that were used like 40 years ago |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | like DOS ? |
| 02:51.07 | peterS | Stevie-O: note what jelly-home said. there's a hardware limitation involved |
| 02:51.19 | jelly-home | linux2: you can, however, make a cable and hook up the original cbm drive, there is software to read them. |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | oh .. you mean dd can't do it ? |
| 02:51.49 | peterS | those cbm drives were apparently quite the thing. they had an embedded CPU about as powerful as the host CPU |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | clearly not scottish |
| 02:52.22 | Stevie-O | peterS: damn |
| 02:52.39 | peterS | Stevie-O: of course we're talking about a 1 MHz, 8-bit host CPU. so not like a pentium 3. |
| 02:52.56 | Stevie-O | yeah, I know. |
| 02:53.02 | Stevie-O | Those fancy zilog z80s |
| 02:53.20 | jelly-home | peterS: and you can't play daisy, daisy on any current drives, floppy or not. (Yes, the drive itself could be programmed to vibrate the head and reproduce the melody) |
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| 02:54.15 | jelly-home | that was some abuse of hardware. |
| 02:54.28 | peterS | Stevie-O: eh? a z80? I thought it was something a lot more primitive |
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| 02:56.01 | CompWizrd | ... and now you can get a hearing aid that can do 150 mips on a button cell for 3 weeks. |
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| 02:57.19 | shalamar7 | hi all |
| 02:57.28 | jelly-home | 3 weeks? wait til my dad hears about that (no pun intended ;-) |
| 02:57.42 | CompWizrd | jelly; depends on use, i'm actually getting closer to a month on mine |
| 02:58.03 | shalamar7 | is there a way to apt-get all source files which a package depends on? |
| 02:58.11 | CompWizrd | and considering the volume coming out of the end is usually over 100 db, sometimes as much as 130db, that's pretty impressive in itslef |
| 02:58.48 | jelly-home | brand/model? |
| 02:59.17 | CompWizrd | phonak supero 412's |
| 02:59.27 | shalamar7 | anyone? |
| 02:59.39 | CompWizrd | i have a fairly profound hearing loss |
| 02:59.46 | CompWizrd | so i need the most powerful units |
| 02:59.53 | ike | Wyzard:thanks |
| 03:00.35 | shalamar7 | nobody? |
| 03:02.21 | shalamar7 | .msg debhelper apt-get |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | !source |
| 03:02.28 | dpkg | source is probably To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
| 03:02.59 | peterS | stupid factoid. implies that you have to do all of that as root. |
| 03:03.07 | peterS | (or none of it, but certainly some of it needs to be as root) |
| 03:03.19 | shalamar7 | hmmm |
| 03:03.28 | abrotman | peterS: you could .. edit it! |
| 03:03.34 | peterS | abrotman: yes, I'm doing so |
| 03:04.55 | shalamar7 | !apt-get |
| 03:04.55 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 03:05.03 | peterS | !no source is <reply>To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 03:05.03 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
| 03:06.44 | shalamar7 | so maybe one of you knows the answer peterS or abrotman |
| 03:06.45 | jelly-home | debuild is a dpkg-buildpackage wrapper? |
| 03:06.47 | abrotman | you broked it! |
| 03:07.25 | peterS | jelly-home: yes. it uses -rfakeroot automatically, runs lintian and linda if they are installed, stuff like that |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | peterS: now can you update the MG ? |
| 03:08.00 | peterS | abrotman: the MG? |
| 03:08.04 | abrotman | !mg |
| 03:08.05 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | last time i looked at that( a while ago) it was pretty out of date |
| 03:08.29 | peterS | oh, update Madagascar! yeah, getting right on it. |
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| 03:08.39 | abrotman | peterS: will you be a dictator!? |
| 03:08.47 | peterS | hmmm. maybe. |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | can i have the beer? |
| 03:09.12 | peterS | I don't speak Portuguese so I'll have to be one of those dictators who doesn't listen to the local people at all, in this case for lack of understanding them |
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| 03:09.41 | abrotman | do they ever understand .... |
| 03:10.54 | Dewi | apt was adapted to work for RPMs; there is no reason it couldn't be adapted to manage government policy |
| 03:10.55 | apt | Dewi: what are you talking about? |
| 03:11.00 | Dewi | apt: ssh. |
| 03:11.02 | apt | from memory, ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | apt: shuddup |
| 03:11.10 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 03:11.15 | Dewi | abrotman: thx |
| 03:11.28 | stoned | !smite abrotman |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | oh .. i'm scared |
| 03:11.43 | stoned | better be |
| 03:11.53 | stoned | for I am He Who is called I Am |
| 03:11.56 | stoned | or something |
| 03:11.59 | abrotman | ok .. now that the sox are losing .. i'm off to bed |
| 03:12.05 | stoned | night |
| 03:12.11 | peterS | later, abrotman |
| 03:12.28 | stoned | peterS, hey long time no see |
| 03:12.37 | peterS | stoned, still clean? |
| 03:12.44 | stoned | yes and no |
| 03:12.44 | abrotman | HA! |
| 03:12.48 | stoned | abrotman, shaddup |
| 03:12.49 | stoned | :/ |
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| 03:13.00 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:13.03 | stoned | go sleep |
| 03:13.35 | stoned | peterS, I have been working for a few weeks now. I passed my urinalysis with clean urine from a friend. |
| 03:13.52 | stoned | I figured, fuck it, I don't need to quit toking up. Why am I the bad guy if I like to do it on my own time? |
| 03:14.09 | peterS | so you're the weird guy in American Beauty |
| 03:14.14 | stoned | I am? |
| 03:14.25 | stoned | gimme a camcorder dude, I'll go make some GGW shit |
| 03:14.26 | stoned | lol |
| 03:14.39 | stoned | I won't be wasting my time filming pastic bags |
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| 03:14.57 | lowlevel | plastic bags?! |
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| 03:15.05 | peterS | lowlevel: you had to see the movie |
| 03:15.13 | peterS | would you do the part about filming your girlfriend through two windows? |
| 03:15.17 | lowlevel | kind of glad I idn't actually |
| 03:15.20 | tnks | Does anybody know much about the PATCH_THE_KERNEL=AUTO setting for make-kpkg? I'm confused about it from reading the manpage. |
| 03:15.34 | stoned | tnks, what do you find confusing? |
| 03:15.38 | peterS | I mean like if she was thora birch? |
| 03:15.42 | stoned | lol |
| 03:15.45 | stoned | let me look her up |
| 03:15.48 | stoned | I dunno who that is |
| 03:15.50 | gravity | mmm... thora birch |
| 03:15.58 | peterS | she's the dark-haired HSer in that movie |
| 03:16.12 | lowlevel | she's ok. |
| 03:16.24 | lowlevel | I wanna see Beverly Mitchell naked tho. |
| 03:16.28 | stoned | wow |
| 03:16.36 | stoned | nice looking girl |
| 03:16.37 | lowlevel | hardc0r3 xxx |
| 03:16.45 | lowlevel | no accidental boob shot |
| 03:16.51 | stoned | lowlevel, inappropriate, please watch yourself |
| 03:16.55 | lowlevel | oh, sorry ;) |
| 03:16.56 | peterS | stoned: better or worse than mena suvari? she was the other HSer in the movie, the shallow one |
| 03:17.08 | stoned | gah |
| 03:17.13 | stoned | let me look at that too, hold on |
| 03:17.28 | lowlevel | I was exagurating anyway. |
| 03:17.36 | stoned | oh hell no |
| 03:17.48 | peterS | mena played the thora's friend who had a crush on thora's dad, even though he's kevin spacey |
| 03:17.50 | stoned | peterS, I saw her first in American Pie, didn't really care for her face too much |
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| 03:17.59 | stoned | dude kevin spacey is god |
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| 03:18.02 | tnks | stoned: evidently '--added_patches foo' "automatically sets the patch_the_kernel configuration option to YES, but setting PATCH_THE_KERNEL to AUTO sets "PATCH_THE_KERNEL to YES if I envoke --added_patches foo". it seems redundant. |
| 03:18.04 | stoned | Keyser Soze |
| 03:18.09 | peterS | stoned: yeah but cute he is not |
| 03:18.24 | lowlevel | wasn't kevin spacey in that movie 'kpax' |
| 03:18.24 | lowlevel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.30 | peterS | lowlevel: I guess. I didn't see that one |
| 03:18.35 | stoned | I dunno peter I don't much think ANY guy is cute |
| 03:18.35 | stoned | lol |
| 03:18.39 | lowlevel | if thats him, he's good |
| 03:18.40 | stoned | peterS |
| 03:18.48 | tnks | stoned: my quotes are rough quotes from the make-kpkg man page. |
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| 03:18.59 | peterS | lowlevel: yeah I'm into kevin spacey. but if I were a HS girl, I don't think I'd have a crush on him |
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| 03:19.29 | lowlevel | peter: nah, you'de probably be crushin' on some younger guy, obviously |
| 03:19.40 | peterS | lowlevel: this is why American Beauty was messed up |
| 03:19.47 | lowlevel | I didn't catch that movie |
| 03:20.02 | lowlevel | atleast, I don't remember it |
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| 03:20.32 | peterS | it was interesting but not exciting or mind-blowing |
| 03:20.34 | enouf | lowlevel seen se7en ? = spacey = good |
| 03:20.34 | stoned | alright, I gotta sleep, I work again tomorrow like a goddamn donkey |
| 03:20.36 | peterS | it _tried_ to be mind-blowing |
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| 03:20.49 | lowlevel | ... ugh .. se7en |
| 03:20.51 | lowlevel | gah |
| 03:21.00 | lowlevel | that movie freaked me out |
| 03:21.00 | lowlevel | ;) |
| 03:21.06 | lowlevel | I coudlnt' sleep for days |
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| 03:21.12 | enouf | exactly :-p |
| 03:21.17 | lowlevel | that once scene... with the air fresheners |
| 03:21.31 | lowlevel | *puke* |
| 03:22.31 | lowlevel | sigh. I'll be fine, dont mind me. |
| 03:22.44 | lowlevel | of course, now I'llh ave to rent that movie and watch it again. |
| 03:22.50 | peterS | of course |
| 03:22.56 | peterS | fight your demons |
| 03:23.18 | lowlevel | meh |
| 03:23.25 | tnks | I just resaw recently a movie that blows me away... Primer... highly recommend it. |
| 03:23.43 | tnks | Insanely comples. |
| 03:23.45 | tnks | complex. |
| 03:23.49 | lowlevel | I watched one called 'Magicians' the other night. |
| 03:24.11 | Stevie-O | Magicians? |
| 03:24.18 | lowlevel | theres this one scene.. where the guy managed to clean out a cash register just from asking the store clerk for change |
| 03:24.24 | lowlevel | yeah, check it out. |
| 03:24.29 | lowlevel | lemme find the imdb entry |
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| 03:25.29 | lowlevel | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0188045/ |
| 03:26.35 | lowlevel | its worth watching once |
| 03:26.38 | lowlevel | *shrug* ;) |
| 03:26.45 | lowlevel | I've seen it twice now |
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| 03:41.13 | mhall | I am starting up a new open source project to create a Linux shadow copy daemon in C++. What could I call it? |
| 03:41.14 | mhall | xai: strange cloak |
| 03:41.14 | xai | I'm getting iso9660 errors when trying to burn dvd's on /var/lib/apt/lists ... |
| 03:41.15 | xai | Im using -U -joliet-long too with mkisofs.. |
| 03:41.15 | mhall | xai: hmm. please put the error somewhere |
| 03:41.15 | lowlevel | mhall: volume shadow copy |
| 03:41.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | copy-shadow++ ? |
| 03:41.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | :) |
| 03:41.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | cpsh++ |
| 03:41.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | Everyone will think it's a new shell |
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| 03:41.16 | lowlevel | yeah, you can't use 'sh' really |
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| 03:41.17 | lowlevel | phantomcopy. |
| 03:41.17 | xai | mhall: here is an example.. The files get re-named. http://pastebin.com/778540 |
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| 03:50.58 | mhall | lowlevel: i'm concerned about trademark / copyright |
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| 03:50.59 | lowlevel | mhall: well, yeah you can't use volume shadow copy |
| 03:51.00 | xai | will removing /var/lib/apt/lists/* destory my system? |
| 03:51.01 | lowlevel | I dont see anything on google called phantomcopy |
| 03:51.01 | lowlevel | *shrug* sounds kind of corny tho |
| 03:51.01 | xai | s/destory/destroy |
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| 03:51.01 | lowlevel | xai: I think that will just break dpkg/apt |
| 03:51.01 | lowlevel | if anything |
| 03:51.01 | ezu | If iI was going to try to upgrade ot etch, can I change my system to testing and then do apt-get update and dist-upgrade or would I have to reinstall? |
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| 03:51.02 | xai | lowlevel: ok.. i think I can create the dvd as a non-Joliet, and the filenames don't get corrupted. |
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| 03:51.10 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.13 | lowlevel | sorry missed that, can you repeat |
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| 03:51.33 | xai | lowlevel: ok.. i think I can create the dvd as a non-Joliet, and the filenames don't get corrupted. |
| 03:51.44 | xai | http://pastebin.com/778540 |
| 03:52.31 | mhall | lowlevel: so far i have 'lpvd' linux previous version daemon |
| 03:52.36 | simonrvn | xai: do that carefully, and selectively, and make sure you run an update afterwards |
| 03:52.37 | mhall | lowlevel: no biggie i can change it later |
| 03:52.42 | mhall | xai: try UDF, UDF works best |
| 03:52.48 | xai | http://pastebin.com/778550 |
| 03:52.51 | mhall | xai: after that try Rockridge |
| 03:53.03 | xai | mhall: ok.. how do i do UDF? ok.. manual |
| 03:53.18 | lowlevel | mhall: that sounds more like time machine/cvs/etc than volume shadow copy |
| 03:53.28 | ezu | !etch |
| 03:53.29 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 03:55.02 | mhall | lowlevel: yeah it's like MS stole the best name, and used it for something dumb |
| 03:55.11 | xai | my version of mkisofs says that -udf is not fully supported.. using sarge. |
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| 03:56.05 | littleball | hello, what VNC software should use to connect from linux to windows server? |
| 03:56.07 | Sverre^ | dunno |
| 03:56.45 | simonrvn | rdesktop maybe |
| 03:57.22 | lowlevel | mhall: well, its kind of the same thing from what i understand... just yours, you would be aware of, and vsc on ms, is kind of hidden form the user |
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| 03:57.46 | littleball | rdesktop is vnc? or remote desktop? are they the same? |
| 03:57.49 | bcr | anyone else been having probs w/ unstable's firefox? |
| 03:58.15 | bcr | it seems to crash and freak out a lot recently |
| 03:58.41 | lowlevel | mhall: your probably have seen this, but chekc this out: http://tinyurl.com/euayk |
| 03:59.25 | lowlevel | bcr; yeah, constantly. its always been like that here. |
| 03:59.29 | mhall | lowlevel: yeah that's where i got the inspiration |
| 03:59.37 | lowlevel | mhall: HAHAhAH, nevermind then ;) |
| 03:59.54 | mhall | bcr: i am often finding myself downgrading to very old firefox releases |
| 04:00.02 | lowlevel | mhall: i thought it might have stemmed from vax/vms nostalgia |
| 04:00.05 | lowlevel | but whatever :) |
| 04:00.09 | mhall | bcr: i'm inclined to think of UNIX firefox as a piece of shit but i haven't got anything better |
| 04:00.23 | mhall | lowlevel: well i noticed it's missing on linux for some real stupid reason i can't figure out |
| 04:00.34 | lowlevel | mhall: *nod* |
| 04:00.39 | mhall | lowlevel: especially because given inotify we have all the calls we need to prevent file-open race conditions |
| 04:00.46 | lowlevel | mhall: alot of things are *missing* on linux... or rather.. not 'final' |
| 04:00.55 | mhall | lowlevel: i'll let a true hacker come along and patch it to back up open files safely |
| 04:01.13 | mhall | lowlevel: i can at least get the meat and potatoes in the code and hope to God some true coder will come help |
| 04:01.19 | lowlevel | I'm surprised there isn't some work like this alredy under way |
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| 04:01.35 | mhall | lowlevel: i think i can have a halfassed version on sourceforge in two weeks that's capable of the basics |
| 04:01.56 | lowlevel | mhall: how about full assed? |
| 04:01.57 | lowlevel | heh |
| 04:01.57 | lowlevel | ;) |
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| 04:02.52 | pickcoder | mhall: vax? |
| 04:03.06 | mhall | pickcoder: what about it? |
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| 04:03.22 | mhall | lowlevel: like i said that will depend on somebody with actual knowledge and skills stepping up |
| 04:03.23 | pickcoder | mhall: you coding a vax-like app? |
| 04:03.28 | lowlevel | looks like your first contributer ! :D |
| 04:03.40 | lowlevel | hehe |
| 04:03.41 | lowlevel | j/k ;) |
| 04:03.44 | mhall | pickcoder: well i'm working out a shadow copy daemon |
| 04:03.56 | mhall | pickcoder: and lowlevel noted its vax similarities |
| 04:04.12 | pickcoder | shadow copy |
| 04:04.14 | lowlevel | well , its sounding closer to ms's implementation |
| 04:04.28 | lowlevel | I just initially thought vms |
| 04:04.29 | lowlevel | thats all |
| 04:04.37 | lowlevel | scratch vms/vax, its old |
| 04:04.42 | lowlevel | forget it |
| 04:04.51 | mhall | lowlevel: in any case, i'm happy to have it working according to any design principle |
| 04:04.52 | stoned | shadow... demon |
| 04:04.58 | stoned | goddamn satanist |
| 04:05.03 | mhall | lowlevel: the key is, it closes the last gap in RAID |
| 04:05.04 | lowlevel | ;) |
| 04:05.09 | mhall | lowlevel: user-level corruption and deletion |
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| 04:05.28 | mhall | it's a point in the era of computers now where users are the weakest link |
| 04:05.29 | stoned | I should have went to bed an hour ago |
| 04:05.39 | mhall | and my hope would be this daemon could protect them from themselves |
| 04:05.44 | mhall | without being fascist about it |
| 04:05.46 | lowlevel | mhall: yeah, theres got to be SOME reason why no ones already working on this tho |
| 04:05.50 | mhall | stoned: hehe been there done that |
| 04:06.04 | mhall | lowlevel: if there is i'm sure i'll find it out sooner or later |
| 04:06.07 | stoned | yeah, who hasn't. You grow up in a catholic school all your life, you're bound to rebel one day |
| 04:06.19 | lowlevel | mhall: hopefully not in the form of legal suit |
| 04:06.25 | mhall | lowlevel: oh shit. |
| 04:06.27 | stoned | then when you grow up you realize this satan/god bullshit doesn't matter. Only debian matters.. and weed |
| 04:06.28 | xai | mhall: what version of mkisofs and growisofs do you use for UDF ? |
| 04:06.29 | lowlevel | ;) |
| 04:06.39 | simonrvn | i just quit, i didn't have to "become" a satanist to rebel. |
| 04:06.44 | mhall | xai: yeah i'm trying to figure out the proper way to generate one |
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| 04:06.46 | stoned | hey simon! |
| 04:06.54 | simonrvn | look up apostasy howto in google search. hi stoned :) |
| 04:07.08 | xai | mhall: ok.. i see some folks create the ufs image first and then burn that directly.. |
| 04:07.23 | stoned | simonrvn, whats been up man, long time no see |
| 04:07.30 | stoned | well, besides me working my butt off |
| 04:07.44 | mhall | xai: it looks like -udf is alright |
| 04:07.47 | mhall | xai: i got google cache |
| 04:07.54 | mhall | xai: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:aEDCmbAOTB4J:dvd.chevelless230.com/+udf+image+create+linux&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4 |
| 04:08.02 | xai | mhall: right now using "growisfs -Z /dev/xyz -R -iso-level 4 ' creates the least amount of errors. |
| 04:08.08 | mhall | xai: hmm |
| 04:08.13 | simonrvn | busy time calming down now a bit... picking up again... all this month we have pow-wows or festivals.. doesn't stop ;). |
| 04:08.23 | stoned | man |
| 04:08.28 | stoned | I wanna be there |
| 04:08.37 | mhall | xai: that option is not in my manpage |
| 04:08.38 | stoned | but only if I can trip or get scorched outta my head |
| 04:08.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:08.41 | lowlevel | mhall: here is someone asking for this functionality : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241410 |
| 04:08.54 | stoned | peyote and pow wow, now THATS what I'm talking about |
| 04:08.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:08.58 | simonrvn | come to montreal for the 23rd, to cabot square, you'll get to hear some =) |
| 04:09.12 | stoned | wish I could make it buddy, I work too much now |
| 04:09.26 | lowlevel | I like apples name for it anyway.. time machine ;) fairly creative |
| 04:09.42 | stoned | argh! I should go to bed now or else I'll be a zombie tomorrow |
| 04:09.45 | stoned | g'night guys |
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| 04:09.48 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 04:10.06 | xai | mhall: hmm. its in the mkisofs manpage for mkisofs 2.01-unofficial-iconv |
| 04:10.24 | mhall | xai: oops, i looked in growisofs man |
| 04:10.56 | mhall | xai: one thing, loopmount the image and see if the files show up right |
| 04:11.15 | mhall | xai: have noticed in the past, sometimes the renaming only affects one layer of the cd filesystems |
| 04:11.28 | mhall | xai: and the high level layers like rockridge, udf, or joliet still look OK |
| 04:12.01 | xai | oh.. so my filenames may still be intact even with errors? |
| 04:12.01 | mhall | simonrvn: cya |
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| 04:12.07 | mhall | xai: right quite possibly |
| 04:12.15 | pickcoder | mhall: does Pick ring a bell regarding virtual machine environments? |
| 04:12.18 | simonrvn | i'm not leaving yet. might be afk sometimes though ;) |
| 04:12.21 | pickcoder | mhall: <g> |
| 04:12.23 | mhall | xai: i had this odd problem before, where schiling's errors are a bit... paranoid |
| 04:12.28 | xai | ok.. I'll try it out.. right now im doing rockridge w/o joliet |
| 04:12.42 | simonrvn | i know someone who's talked about Pick. |
| 04:12.43 | xai | its half way done. |
| 04:12.45 | mhall | pickcoder: actually i had heard that name before, in researching old oses for 'new-to-me' ideas |
| 04:13.00 | mhall | xai: 99% of the time rockridge looks good even if mkisofs shits its pants |
| 04:13.19 | mhall | xai: i woulda mentioned earlier but i got mistaken impression you checked already and didn't want to be insulting or crass |
| 04:13.23 | xai | mhall: btw, my cloak is devised by Capso, one of the Ops on ##networking |
| 04:13.25 | lowlevel | the canadian Pick? |
| 04:13.25 | deado | anyone know of a good tutorial on how to get logitech mx3000 keyboard & mx600 mouse completely working for debina? |
| 04:13.27 | deado | debian* |
| 04:13.37 | mhall | pickcoder: btw what about it? |
| 04:13.56 | pickcoder | mhall: what are you trying to do with a shadow service? |
| 04:14.48 | mhall | pickcoder: well my goal is to close the last gap in RAID protection |
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| 04:15.11 | mhall | pickcoder: which is to say, RAID has not protection against user-level fuckuppage, such as accidental deletion or corruption |
| 04:15.27 | mhall | pickcoder: and in my view computer hardware is good enough now that users are the weakest link |
| 04:15.35 | mhall | pickcoder: so my goal would be protecting them from themselves |
| 04:16.22 | pickcoder | mhall: what about a distributed file system that manages transactions? |
| 04:16.51 | pickcoder | mhall: RAID is local-only, but distributed file systems can be virutal and remote |
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| 04:18.33 | pickcoder | unfortunately, the biggest problem with rolling back a change (as it is in LVM) is pre-configuring what can roll back and what can't |
| 04:20.22 | [TACO] | How would you make a script run every time the system is launched, like for instance, my friend has to manually initialize alsa |
| 04:22.07 | lowlevel | pick: or i what runlevels/system state rollback can be done at all |
| 04:22.14 | xai | mhall: thanks for the info.. I'm wasn't aware that you could have multiple filelabels on a media. |
| 04:22.52 | liable | [TACO]: what does he have to do to get alsa running? |
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| 04:23.03 | pickcoder | lowlevel: if it's O/S level, then yeah |
| 04:23.06 | xai | http://pastebin.com/778565 |
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| 04:23.36 | lowlevel | yeah, I'de think of it as primarily a recovery operation.. and works in only single user mode.. thus allows whatever root says. |
| 04:23.54 | lowlevel | then you dont have to worry about what can and can't rollback so much |
| 04:24.00 | liable | [TACO]: but if you are looking to run something at start up, man update-rc.d |
| 04:24.04 | pickcoder | lowlevel: well that's user permission issues, not a file system architecture flaw |
| 04:24.17 | xai | maybe filelabels is not the right terminology. |
| 04:24.52 | pickcoder | pick used to be an O/S and a DBMS in one |
| 04:25.34 | pickcoder | people with just enough knowledge could really fsck up a server |
| 04:25.40 | lowlevel | pick: you've seen this system? |
| 04:25.40 | lowlevel | :) |
| 04:25.45 | lowlevel | I've read about it a long time ago |
| 04:25.50 | lowlevel | but never actually saw it |
| 04:25.53 | [TACO] | liable: he has to use the init.d script |
| 04:25.58 | [TACO] | liable: manually |
| 04:25.59 | pickcoder | I've run AP/DOS, but not the original R-series from Pick Systems |
| 04:26.00 | lowlevel | what was the main guys name... |
| 04:26.06 | lowlevel | Dick Pick? was it? |
| 04:26.07 | lowlevel | haha |
| 04:26.07 | pickcoder | Dick Pick |
| 04:26.09 | pickcoder | yup |
| 04:26.27 | lowlevel | aw man ;) thats priceless |
| 04:26.35 | pickcoder | smart man |
| 04:26.43 | lowlevel | i don't doubt it |
| 04:26.57 | pickcoder | not that I've met him |
| 04:26.58 | lowlevel | just an unfortunate name |
| 04:26.59 | lowlevel | ;) |
| 04:26.59 | pickcoder | <G> |
| 04:27.04 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 04:27.10 | mhall | xai: yeah that's some weird shit isn't it |
| 04:27.22 | lowlevel | imagine introducing him in an office setting |
| 04:27.31 | lowlevel | *ahem* yes.. this is Dick Pick.. he'll be .. uhm.. |
| 04:27.32 | lowlevel | hahaha |
| 04:27.39 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:27.49 | lowlevel | ROFL |
| 04:28.08 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:29.04 | mhall | xai: i saw that warning but i dunno if it's current |
| 04:29.16 | mhall | xai: Version 2.01 14 Feb 2003 MKISOFS(8) |
| 04:29.21 | mhall | xai: i doubt it muchly |
| 04:29.43 | pickcoder | even with the best transaction loggers in the latest DBMSs, you still have to manage the data at an atomic level |
| 04:29.49 | [TACO] | liable? |
| 04:30.09 | mhall | pickcoder: this is the premise of lockfree data structures |
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| 04:30.13 | liable | [TACO]: i told ya, man update-rc.d |
| 04:30.21 | pickcoder | I just don't see how a super fast disk subsystem can work that well. ResierFS is supposed to be a good journaled FS |
| 04:30.23 | mhall | pickcoder: besides which databases are fucking slow and wasteful |
| 04:30.29 | liable | [TACO]: what script is this that he has to run anyway? |
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| 04:30.49 | lowlevel | slow!?! wasteful!? ;) |
| 04:31.16 | mhall | lowlevel: show me a DB faster than or as fast as C++ / C# objects doing the same thing |
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| 04:31.28 | mhall | lowlevel: show me one which consumes reasonable resources for what it stores |
| 04:31.30 | pickcoder | Try OpenQM |
| 04:31.37 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:31.39 | [TACO] | /etc/init.d/alsasound restart <--- No idea why its "restart" and not "start" |
| 04:31.40 | lowlevel | mhall: I like Oracle ;) |
| 04:31.42 | mhall | ok, so maybe some off the wall database can do it |
| 04:31.51 | mhall | but good luck using that in an enterprise |
| 04:31.54 | pickcoder | it's a pick varient |
| 04:31.59 | pickcoder | GPL's |
| 04:32.02 | pickcoder | s/s/d |
| 04:32.03 | [TACO] | liable... give me a second to figure what he is saying out |
| 04:32.09 | lowlevel | Oracle express edition is free now I think |
| 04:32.16 | mhall | GPL code cannot be redistributed |
| 04:32.19 | lowlevel | and theres really nothing better than SQLPlus |
| 04:32.30 | mhall | lowlevel: ?!? that utility is evil |
| 04:32.32 | lowlevel | often I wish I had SQLPlus for SQL Server :/ |
| 04:32.35 | mhall | lowlevel: arrow keys don't even work |
| 04:32.36 | pickcoder | mhall: for developers on Linux it's free to distribute with source |
| 04:32.54 | mhall | pickcoder: to your entire dependent application |
| 04:33.05 | mhall | pickcoder: not practical for my organization which sells a niche market product |
| 04:33.06 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 04:33.10 | pickcoder | that's the point of OSS |
| 04:33.13 | [TACO] | liable: ... |
| 04:33.27 | pickcoder | so pay for a commercial license and you can sell your closed-source |
| 04:33.33 | pickcoder | it's dual-licensed like MySQL |
| 04:33.39 | mhall | pickcoder: sure, that's what we do with mysql right now |
| 04:33.42 | pickcoder | gah |
| 04:34.13 | mhall | anyhow, mhall->ingest(&food); |
| 04:34.21 | lowlevel | heh |
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| 04:46.08 | pickcoder | cheerz |
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| 04:46.37 | metrix | how do I change the name of my pc? |
| 04:46.42 | buu | Dongs. |
| 04:46.43 | metrix | err.. debian box |
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| 04:47.00 | lindenle | having trouble with xpaste from xvnc4viewer to vn4server can anyone help? |
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| 04:48.11 | xai | /etc/hostname |
| 04:49.14 | metrix | xai: thank you |
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| 04:49.31 | lindenle | just got it to work.... |
| 04:49.34 | lindenle | vncconfig |
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| 05:05.21 | rage | Can someone point me in the right direction for a package that can be used to be a roaming profile server for Windows boxes? or better yet a guide on how to setup one for a small network? |
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| 05:08.09 | xai | metrix: sure. |
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| 05:09.53 | bai | is there a package that will set up a basic /dev structure for you? I'm upgrading my kernel from one which used devfs to one which doesn't, but my /dev is empty which screws everything up |
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| 05:10.28 | bai | can't get to the point where udev is called to populate it |
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| 05:13.44 | alexbod1 | hi, i have a pcmcia wireless card that needs firmware to connect. it did work with hotplug, but stopped with udev. |
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| 05:14.09 | Loto | is someone able to explain this to me. I just installed debian via netinstall. I would like to install a newer kernel so i add unstable repositories (but leave the stable repositories as well correct?) When I try and install virtually anything the package manager is wanting to uninstall gnome, base install amongt a ton of other packages. this is oviously not what im wanting. |
| 05:14.13 | Loto | what am i doing wrong? |
| 05:14.34 | Loto | base config rather |
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| 05:15.07 | bai | I've never been able to figure out how to get debian to pull different packages from different releases |
| 05:15.21 | bai | too many dependency problems involved with that |
| 05:15.35 | bai | just stick with one release version |
| 05:15.44 | bai | or check backports.org |
| 05:16.13 | Loto | what would be the point of having these packages available if they have so many dep. issues that they were 'uninstallable' |
| 05:16.33 | Loto | it seems more like ive configured something incorrectly |
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| 05:16.47 | alexbod1 | they are nstallable in their distrib |
| 05:17.20 | bai | yeah...you'd end up with multiple versions of things like libc6 installed, and you generally don't want that |
| 05:17.38 | alexbod1 | but you can down load the package's source and try t build in your distrib. this may be cleaner |
| 05:17.45 | bai | yeah |
| 05:17.49 | Loto | sorry, distrib as in... another distribution of debian? or another disrib as in a debian fork like ubuntu |
| 05:17.57 | bai | release |
| 05:18.02 | bai | ie, unstable vs stable |
| 05:18.08 | alexbod1 | right, release |
| 05:18.30 | bai | you generally don't want to mix packages between releases, that's what backports.org is for |
| 05:18.31 | Loto | ah, i see. I should be downloading the unstable netinstall to accomplish what i require |
| 05:18.47 | bai | well, you can always netinstall stable then just dist-upgrade to testing or unstable |
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| 05:19.01 | bai | it's normally a pretty painless process |
| 05:19.17 | Loto | interesting... thank you for you help. I will read up on dist-upgrade |
| 05:19.29 | Loto | and thanks for the link to backports.org |
| 05:19.30 | alexbod1 | you may also settle for testing, which is quite up to date, while being under testing |
| 05:19.56 | Loto | what is considered more mature? testing or unstable? |
| 05:20.01 | bai | testing |
| 05:20.04 | alexbod1 | testing |
| 05:20.34 | bai | unstable is all the latest stuff, testing is basically a release candidate for the next stable release, and stable is, well, stable |
| 05:21.06 | bai | (I use the term "release candidate" lightly) |
| 05:21.21 | Loto | testing seems to be updated fairly regularly |
| 05:21.31 | alexbod1 | can anybody help with udev firmware loading? |
| 05:25.56 | liable | alexbod1: where have you put the firmware? |
| 05:26.30 | alexbod1 | just installed under /lib/firmware |
| 05:27.02 | alexbod1 | it's a debian package |
| 05:27.14 | liable | alexbod1: and whats dmesg say about it? |
| 05:28.34 | alexbod1 | udev is creating the /sys/class/net/eth1 device, but ifup should be preceeded by firmware loading |
| 05:28.53 | alexbod1 | it's a pccard |
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| 05:29.19 | xevious | apt broke mplayer and kmplayer |
| 05:29.23 | xevious | (in etch) |
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| 05:32.15 | alexbod1 | liable: the firmware.agent is not been run. should thisbe triggered by some info flag on the card? |
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| 05:35.34 | phalacee | I am trying to build a custom debian-cd, and I have successfully created and burned an image of the cd, and have added some custom files to it (via make bin-extras) as well as having specific packages install by default, now I would like to make it so I can install some applications that aren't available via apt-get, but are only available as source.tar.gz's ... normally i would turn these into my own custom packages, and add them to the pool for the CD |
| 05:35.34 | phalacee | , but I need these to be compiled on each install because the hardware changes ... |
| 05:35.41 | liable | alexbod1: is the module being loaded for the card? |
| 05:36.04 | Maakuth | i seem to have a problem with the udev also |
| 05:36.17 | Maakuth | it doesn't create /dev/input hierarchy at all :o |
| 05:36.34 | alexbod1 | the kernel module is been modprobed |
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| 05:36.54 | liable | but it doesnt load the firmware? |
| 05:37.04 | phalacee | so I am wondering how I add a shell-script to the CD so that it runs after the installation is complete? |
| 05:37.05 | alexbod1 | yes |
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| 05:38.25 | liable | alexbod1: i cant think of anything except to read the udev scripts/rules |
| 05:38.42 | liable | alexbod1: and try and work out where its failing |
| 05:38.44 | alexbod1 | there is a similar but unanswered linux question: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2389698 |
| 05:39.00 | xevious | is nvidia-glx missing from etch right now? |
| 05:39.11 | xevious | i'm only seeing nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 05:39.23 | simonrvn | xevious: have contrib non-free in there? |
| 05:39.33 | xevious | lemme make sure |
| 05:39.35 | Maakuth | has anyone experience with udev breaking up after network-manager installation? |
| 05:39.44 | alexbod1 | liable: do you know which rule is governing this? |
| 05:39.45 | simonrvn | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 05:39.46 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 05:39.49 | xevious | simonrvn: i think i'm using a leaf mirror not a primary one |
| 05:40.40 | simonrvn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=nvidia-graphics-drivers&archive=no&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
| 05:41.07 | alexbod1 | !why is apt-proxy not in testing |
| 05:41.08 | dpkg | apt-proxy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=apt-proxy |
| 05:41.29 | simonrvn | fetch sid's stuff if you need it. i suggest getting them manually, then you won't accidentily break anything |
| 05:41.34 | phalacee | does anyone have a possible solution to my earlier question? |
| 05:42.35 | liable | alexbod1: not exactly |
| 05:42.46 | bai | udev is awesome. in the 30 minutes since I've joined to get help on my own udev question, I've seen at least three other people mention problems with it |
| 05:43.05 | alexbod1 | thanks a lot, anyway :) |
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| 05:43.25 | Maakuth | bai, seems to be :P |
| 05:43.52 | alexbod1 | aggree |
| 05:43.58 | xevious | thanks simonrvn |
| 05:44.02 | phalacee | my udev is stupid |
| 05:44.08 | phalacee | its constantly in flux |
| 05:44.10 | bai | see, make that four :P |
| 05:44.15 | Maakuth | but what the bloody hell is wrong with this setup.. udev rules are all ok, i've tried dpkg-reconfiguring it, etc |
| 05:44.19 | xevious | everything but nvidia-glx is in apt, which is ... frustrating |
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| 05:45.39 | chron | what jre should i use |
| 05:45.42 | alexbod1 | try getting from another release and dpkg -i manually |
| 05:45.44 | chron | java |
| 05:46.07 | chron | i'm trying to get jre on debian, anyone know which package i should get with apt? |
| 05:46.14 | phalacee | in the space of 1 second I get 6 create/remove device node entries in daemon.log for /dev/vcsa9 |
| 05:46.15 | Maakuth | chron, depends on what are you going to do with it |
| 05:46.19 | alexbod1 | xevious: try getting from another release and dpkg -i manually |
| 05:46.27 | chron | what do you mean Maakuth |
| 05:46.35 | chron | i'm gonna run java programs? |
| 05:46.48 | Maakuth | applets/etc? small scale |
| 05:46.58 | Maakuth | i guess you need sun jre |
| 05:46.59 | chron | why does that matter? |
| 05:47.03 | chron | right |
| 05:47.04 | alexbod1 | bye all, thanks |
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| 05:47.07 | chron | or blackdown |
| 05:47.11 | chron | how do i get it with apt? |
| 05:47.36 | Maakuth | it is in sid/non-free i think |
| 05:47.48 | Maakuth | if it isn't already in etch's non-free |
| 05:48.47 | mhall | bai: yeah man, it's always number one on my PURGE THE FUCK OUT OF THIS SHIT list when i get debian installed |
| 05:49.16 | bai | heh, I like the concept of it, but in practice it's a giant pain in the ass |
| 05:49.27 | chron | the package is called non-free ? |
| 05:49.32 | bai | devfs wasn't anywhere near as much of a pain |
| 05:49.35 | Maakuth | chron, nope, the repositry is |
| 05:49.47 | Maakuth | package is called something like sun-jre |
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| 05:50.33 | xevious | on a debian mirror where are the packages actually located? |
| 05:50.41 | bai | anyway, time to reboot to see if I've fixed this crap or not |
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| 05:50.44 | mhall | bai: the weird thing is in principle it should work |
| 05:50.49 | Maakuth | xevious, in the pool directory |
| 05:50.57 | Maakuth | sorted alphabetically |
| 05:50.58 | mhall | bai: microkernel oses like QNX have done it that way for years; minix too |
| 05:51.07 | bai | yeah |
| 05:51.15 | insmod | chron: just goto java.com and get the ./.bin |
| 05:51.15 | bai | I've had it working like a charm on a couple systems |
| 05:51.18 | bai | when it works, it's nice |
| 05:51.20 | xevious | macka: thanks |
| 05:51.26 | bai | but when it doesn't, it's a nightmare to debug |
| 05:51.58 | chron | i don't feel like registering for half-open source products |
| 05:52.12 | chron | does anyone know where to get jre on apt? |
| 05:52.12 | VivekVC | I would like to know what the /initrd directory in Debian does. I did a gooogle search and i came across 2 useful URLs both of them mention what initrd is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd and http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/initrd.html. Both these links mention what initrd does not what the /initrd parition does. |
| 05:52.16 | Maakuth | chron, wtf? |
| 05:52.35 | Maakuth | chron, you don't need to register to use non-free |
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| 05:53.18 | Maakuth | hah... INFIDELS!! |
| 05:53.25 | insmod | chron: i believe with new sun java lic. not even microsoft gets java you have to go d/l it |
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| 05:53.48 | phalacee | chron: apt-get install jamvm |
| 05:53.48 | chron | right by registering |
| 05:53.55 | chron | thanks |
| 05:53.55 | VivekVC | A pointer or a link to a URL would be welcome. |
| 05:54.30 | evilgeek | chron: you can't. |
| 05:54.41 | VivekVC | Or is it just that the /initrd parition is where the initrd image is loaded temporarily. |
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| 05:55.57 | evilgeek | bai: the problems with udev go beyond it being just a giant pain in the ass. |
| 05:56.18 | phalacee | evilgeek: it exists, thats the problem ... |
| 05:56.20 | evilgeek | bai: if you use any kind of remote authentication, you need to hack /dev in order for your system to continue working. |
| 05:56.53 | insmod | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.56 | evilgeek | bai: udev and remote authentication cannot coexist. remote authentication is clearly more important than udev, so i have no idea why people keep udev in there. |
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| 05:58.03 | bcr | udev is teh sux0r |
| 05:58.44 | bcr | wasted two hours fixing a gentoo box after a udev upgrade b0rked it fast + hard |
| 05:59.42 | phalacee | I am trying to build a custom debian-cd, and I have successfully created and burned an image of the cd, and have added some custom files to it (via make bin-extras) as well as having specific packages install by default, now I would like to make it so I can install some applications that aren't available via apt-get, but are only available as source.tar.gz's ... normally i would turn these into my own custom packages and add them to the pool for the CD |
| 05:59.42 | phalacee | but I need these to be compiled on each install because the hardware changes ... so I am wondering how I add a shell-script to the CD so that it runs after the installation is complete? |
| 06:00.11 | xevious | hmm. trying to do modprobe nvidia it says: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 06:00.16 | xevious | anyone had that happen to them? |
| 06:01.22 | insmod | phalacee: not to hard mount your iso on hard drive add the script and burn with the old bootloader image from the old ido |
| 06:01.25 | insmod | phalacee: not to hard mount your iso on hard drive add the script and burn with the old bootloader image from the old iso |
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| 06:02.05 | phalacee | insmod how does that work with the md5 integrity checks? |
| 06:02.36 | VivekVC | insmod: So /initrd points to /dev/initrd ? |
| 06:02.39 | phalacee | and how does that allow for the automatic execution of my script afterwards? |
| 06:02.40 | zanpakuto | hello if I need to set shell variables or modify PATH where do I put it? .bashrc or .bash_profile? |
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| 06:03.19 | insmod | phalacee: hmm -- no idea but it would ad the script lol -- put the script in an init |
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| 06:03.39 | insmod | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.40 | |ryan| | how do you change from shadow passwords disabled to shadow passwords enabled? |
| 06:03.42 | phalacee | insmod: doesn't work like that unforunately |
| 06:04.03 | |ryan| | n/.m |
| 06:04.16 | insmod | phalacee: :) sounds logical |
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| 06:04.23 | VivekVC | insmod: ok |
| 06:04.42 | insmod | phalacee: never did it so i am just guessing |
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| 06:04.55 | phalacee | insmod: yes, it does, and infact, that was the first method I tried, but the debian-installer fails, because of the integrity check on the cd ... |
| 06:05.58 | insmod | phalacee: well can't you rewrite the md5sum -- like new distroes do? |
| 06:06.34 | Malagmyr | Is there a way I can make vsftpd log what usernames were attempted when a login failed, instead of just the fact that a login failed? |
| 06:06.44 | phalacee | insmod: you know, I didn't think of that ... I could do ... as soon as I figure out how its done ... |
| 06:07.09 | phalacee | Malagmyr: increase the verbosity of the logging I think ... ? |
| 06:07.35 | Malagmyr | phalacee: can't figure out where to do that |
| 06:07.49 | Malagmyr | phalacee: config file doesn't seem to have an entry for it |
| 06:08.05 | phalacee | well, I'm not sure, as I prefer proFTPd |
| 06:08.32 | Malagmyr | Getting hundreds of lines of "Tue Aug 29 08:07:52 2006 [pid 6300] [Administrator] FAIL LOGIN: Client "195.110.135.50"" |
| 06:08.59 | phalacee | Malagmyr: the username is probably different each time |
| 06:09.06 | Malagmyr | yep |
| 06:09.10 | Malagmyr | that's why I would like to see it |
| 06:09.14 | phalacee | Malagmyr: just ban the IP address ... |
| 06:09.25 | xevious | has anyone here ever come across a "No such device" error trying to `modprobe nvidia`? |
| 06:09.26 | |ryan| | meh |
| 06:09.41 | phalacee | xevious: yes, I have |
| 06:09.58 | phalacee | cos I tried to use it when there was no nvidia card in the machine ... |
| 06:09.59 | |ryan| | my 2 cents... vsftpd if possible, or pureFDPd if you need more features. |
| 06:10.07 | liable | Malagmyr: check auth.log |
| 06:10.10 | Malagmyr | phalacee: neeh. every time the logfile reaches 500 lines, I wrap them up and send them in an email to his isp :) |
| 06:10.39 | insmod | phalacee: libcryptpasswdmd5-perl ? |
| 06:10.46 | phalacee | Malagmyr: fun fun, but if its a comprimised host ... |
| 06:10.48 | xevious | phalacee: well lspci says |
| 06:10.50 | xevious | uh |
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| 06:10.54 | xevious | hit enter too early, huh? |
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| 06:11.06 | xevious | phalacee: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro] (rev a4) |
| 06:11.06 | insmod | phalacee: libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl ? |
| 06:11.37 | bcr | has anybody tried the intel "open graphics" drivers? |
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| 06:11.51 | Malagmyr | phalacee: then I hope the isp will let the guy know... |
| 06:11.52 | bcr | can you even buy an agp or pci-e card w/ an intel chipset? |
| 06:12.21 | xevious | oh well i dont have time for nvidia right now |
| 06:12.25 | xevious | goodnight all |
| 06:12.28 | phalacee | insmod: that should do it I think ... I am trying to see if I can access the 'ready to make into a cd' directory from the debian-cd process before it gets the md5hash's sorted out ... |
| 06:12.45 | Malagmyr | phalacee: someone not knowing what's going on, getting an email from their isp with a warning not to brute force ftp's, would probably ask them for advice on the matter |
| 06:12.54 | phalacee | insmod: if i can, then I can add the files to that, then do the md5'ing ... and everyone gets what they want |
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| 06:13.54 | Malagmyr | liable: auth.log just holds this: Aug 29 08:13:08 pow vsftpd: (pam_unix) check pass; user unknown |
| 06:13.54 | Malagmyr | Aug 29 08:13:08 pow vsftpd: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost=195.110.135.50 |
| 06:14.10 | phalacee | Malagmyr: or they end up telling their ISP that they are crazy,they don't even know who brute is, they aren't a jedi so they don't use the force, and wtf is an FTP or something similar ... |
| 06:14.59 | Malagmyr | phalacee: point |
| 06:15.08 | Malagmyr | blocking the ip |
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| 06:18.06 | phorce1 | anyone know which -dev packages would be a good base for building modules from sources outside the Debian tree? I'm trying to build a module for a usb device driver and the Makefile is looking for ANOTHER Makefile in /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-amd64-k8/build. Tried redirecting it to /usr/source/linux-source-2.6.16 where the sources are located and it still fails. |
| 06:18.57 | phorce1 | I suspect I'm missing something else |
| 06:19.15 | phalacee | phorce1: it is probably trying to make different modules for all the arch's ... |
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| 06:19.37 | phalacee | phorce1 maybe try and edit the makefile so it doesm |
| 06:20.04 | phalacee | phorce1: maybe try and edit the makefile so it doesn't do this, instead have it focus on the i386 or whatever ... |
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| 06:21.53 | seb- | what kernel version is etch and sid at now? |
| 06:22.08 | seb- | i want 2.6.13 or greater |
| 06:22.15 | seb- | need* |
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| 06:22.46 | Tallu | seb-: you can backport 2.6.16 to sarge |
| 06:22.49 | Tallu | or just install your own |
| 06:22.58 | phorce1 | phalacee: /me != programmer. Generally when I find an outside source the Makefile "just works" if it knows where the source tree is. This Makefile is *VERY* short and still breaks |
| 06:23.05 | seb- | Tallu: yes but won't udev freak out? |
| 06:23.13 | Tallu | seb-: backport that too :) |
| 06:23.21 | seb- | Tallu: ok, thanks good idea |
| 06:23.25 | phalacee | phorce1: dcc me the makefile |
| 06:23.29 | phalacee | I'll fix it for you |
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| 06:23.46 | Tallu | !tell seb- about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 06:23.57 | Tallu | seb-: theres the whole thing if i remember correctly |
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| 06:24.22 | seb- | Tallu: awesome! |
| 06:24.24 | phorce1 | phalacee: the part that breaks is a single line -- here it is:$(MAKE) -C $(KERNELDIR) SUBDIRS=$(PWD) modules |
| 06:24.25 | Tallu | seb-: instead just use 2.6.16-2-arch instead and it should work.. thats how it was for me atleast |
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| 06:24.43 | fallingdutch | how do the initramfs-tools work or where is a documentation of how it works? |
| 06:24.53 | Chandu | hi |
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| 06:25.22 | phalacee | phorce1: then that has something to do with $(KERNELDIR) ... thats your error |
| 06:25.27 | phorce1 | phalacee: (KERNELDIR) is the /lib/modules/... quoted above. PWD is the directory where I'm running the makefile from (/usr/local/src/x10-cm19a-0.0.5 |
| 06:25.27 | seb- | fallingdutch: mkinitramfs -o <file> </lib/modules version> |
| 06:25.34 | Chandu | is there any tool to move source packages and dsc files to the proper archive , like "apt-move" for moving deb files |
| 06:26.07 | chron | how do you install java through apt? |
| 06:26.09 | chron | sun's java |
| 06:26.11 | phorce1 | phalacee: right. On a debian system that does not exist. Apparently that is where kernel module Makefiles sit for some other distro |
| 06:26.43 | phalacee | phorce1: then remove the variable, and type it in by hand ... |
| 06:26.45 | phalacee | or something |
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| 06:29.52 | phorce1 | phalacee: did that. then I get an "no rule to make target .config" error. I'm just going to have to dig around a bit more and google to see if anyone using Debian has built this module before. |
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| 06:30.22 | phalacee | phorce1: what is the module for? |
| 06:32.12 | phorce1 | phalacee: A toy. ;-). an X-10 household control tranceiver. Sends commands via RF to the X10 modules connected to my house lights, cameras, and some appliances. On/Off/Bright/Dim. My house is slowly becoming full remote control. |
| 06:32.44 | fallingdutch | seb-, afaik the command you told me creates a initial ramdisk, but i want to know what the scripts do, where to place a new script what i have to do to put a new binary in the initial ramdisk etc |
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| 06:34.35 | seb- | fallingdutch: yes,,,that just makes an initrd |
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| 06:35.05 | seb- | fallingdutch: man mkinitramfs? :) |
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| 06:39.08 | Tallu | Hmm, how can I set a timeout for ssh sessions? Like if the user's inactive for 30 minutes I want him dropped off |
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| 06:44.13 | phorce1 | phalacee: The package for building the module is at http://www.lemaymd.com/files/x10-cm19a-0.0.5.tar.bz2 if you want to look at the Makefile. It's just confusing the snot out of me. It seems to want to just call another Makefile to do the work but I don't have a clue which one. |
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| 06:48.50 | phalacee | phorce1: what error message does it give you again? |
| 06:48.58 | phalacee | mine is being stoopid |
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| 06:52.22 | phorce1 | phalacee: First error message is /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-amd64-k8/build: No such file or directory |
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| 06:53.24 | hjubal | Tallu, have a look at 'timeoutd' http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
| 06:53.49 | Tallu | hjubal: thanks mate! |
| 06:53.52 | phalacee | phorce1: it tells me that /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build doesn't exist ... |
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| 06:54.21 | phalacee | so we need to find out where that 'build' comes from |
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| 06:55.04 | phorce1 | phalacee: then I modified it by forcing KERNELDIR to be /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16 (where sources are installed) and it switches errors to: |
| 06:55.22 | MZM | how can I check wich pkg versions I can build with apt-get -b source? |
| 06:55.48 | phorce1 | phalacee: No rule to make target `.config'. |
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| 06:57.12 | phalacee | phorce1: I have no idea how to fix that, cos it won't work on my machine, and my machine is a production server, so I can't toy with it |
| 06:57.20 | phorce1 | phalacee: I'll end up just having to email the author and see what distro he has so I can figure out what's supposed to be in which directory for a proper build. |
| 06:58.25 | phorce1 | phalacee: The drivers for the USB equipment are all fairly experimental at this stage. The old X10 hardware was all serila port based. |
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| 06:58.35 | phorce1 | s/serila/serial |
| 06:59.57 | phorce1 | phalacee: I have another driver to try to build that may work as well. Based around the labjack USB driver which I have found reference to working on Debian. I'll go fiddle with that one for now. |
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| 07:00.59 | phalacee | phorce1: good luck, hope it works for you :D |
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| 07:01.35 | LinuxNIT | isnt there a program that determines which debian repo is best for your connection? |
| 07:02.04 | evilgeek | apt-spy or some such? |
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| 07:02.31 | LinuxNIT | yes thanks |
| 07:02.41 | LinuxNIT | i was drawing a blank |
| 07:03.32 | phorce1 | phalacee: quick glance shows the makefile for the other one looking for the exact same /lib/modules/arch/build directory. Looks like I'll be spending the night on Google. |
| 07:04.11 | phalacee | phorce1: bother hey ... well, Google is your friend :D |
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| 07:10.42 | fallingdutch | how do the initramfs tools work? i need to add a binary to the initial ramdisk and a script to do some work, so what do i have to do in /usr/shar/initramfs-tools/ ? any links to documentations or howtos are very welcome, too |
| 07:11.10 | Guerin | that shit is black magic |
| 07:11.20 | Guerin | i try to ignore it wherever possible |
| 07:11.36 | troubled | you and me both.... |
| 07:11.59 | Kevin` | I just don't use an initrd at all |
| 07:12.25 | troubled | When i do a custom kernel specific to one machine I just dont see a need for it myself |
| 07:12.45 | troubled | Maybe if I were designing a boot cd I would use it, but otherwise.... |
| 07:12.58 | Kevin` | there are some more exotic setups that need it, but you need a custom one anyway then |
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| 07:15.46 | phalacee | I am trying to build a custom debian-cd, and I have successfully created and burned an image of the cd, and have added some custom files to it (via make bin-extras) as well as having specific packages install by default, now I would like to make it so I can install some applications that aren't available via apt-get, but are only available as source.tar.gz's ... normally i would turn these into my own custom packages and add them to the pool for the CD |
| 07:15.46 | phalacee | but I need these to be compiled on each install because the hardware changes ... so I am wondering how I add a shell-script to the CD so that it runs after the installation is complete? |
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| 07:16.22 | litb | hi all! |
| 07:17.05 | troubled | phalacee: perhaps a rcS.d script? |
| 07:17.16 | phalacee | troubled: huh? |
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| 07:17.38 | chable | anyone knows why i get this error |
| 07:17.41 | chable | Host 65.28.125.64.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 07:17.48 | litb | when i started the debian etch PC today, my network wasn't started (eth0 wasn'T ifup'ed on start with dhcp as it should) , and the mouse module psmouse wasn't loaded. yesterday it worked. any ideas? |
| 07:17.54 | phalacee | troubled, I need to add a script to a custom debianCD, so that stuff gets done when the install is finished ... |
| 07:18.05 | litb | it seems like hotplug isn't started at boot... |
| 07:18.08 | troubled | phalacee: a startup script, but have it disable it itself after the first run? dont know if thats how a deb develeper would do it though |
| 07:18.26 | litb | and udevd isn't running apparently |
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| 07:18.27 | phalacee | troubled: no, its not ... I know that for a fact |
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| 07:18.56 | phalacee | I may just end up creating a package to handle all this ... **sigh** |
| 07:19.03 | litb | i just installed vmware-server yesterday. i don'T know what it did wrong with my system. |
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| 07:19.10 | litb | how can i reconfigure the runlevels? |
| 07:19.26 | troubled | litb: /etc/inittab? |
| 07:19.59 | litb | it starts into runlevel 2 by default. is that right in debian when i want kdm and networking? |
| 07:20.17 | enouf | litb: install sysv-rc-conf |
| 07:20.38 | liable | phalacee: i cant remember where the hell the actuall script was, but base-config used to (sarge and pre) run a script to run base-config at the first boot. I vaguely remembering it having to do with getty |
| 07:20.39 | troubled | phalacee: well, since i dont know the proper way I can only give advice on possible script places. like in root's login script or something. but it would have to be a one time thing |
| 07:20.49 | streuner | litb: why do you want in gods world edit runlevels? |
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| 07:21.03 | troubled | streuner: heya :) |
| 07:21.10 | streuner | hi |
| 07:21.17 | troubled | streuner: oftc huh? whats popular there anyways? |
| 07:21.20 | ra1 | hi all |
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| 07:21.35 | litb | streuner: because debian doesn't start eth0 and doesn'T load the mouse module 'psmouse' anymore on start |
| 07:21.38 | streuner | troubled: irc.debian.org |
| 07:21.40 | troubled | ra1: howdy |
| 07:21.42 | litb | i don't know why... |
| 07:21.52 | ra1 | which one u suggest for taking backup rsync or unison |
| 07:21.52 | litb | in addition it seems like udevd isn't running too |
| 07:21.55 | troubled | streuner: ya, just signed on today |
| 07:21.56 | phalacee | liable: its a sarge system, so If you can suggest somewhere i can start looking, that would be wonderful |
| 07:22.03 | liable | phalacee: ie, it checked for a file, if it existed, it ran base-config, then deleted the file |
| 07:22.10 | ra1 | hi troubled |
| 07:22.11 | litb | i'm on debian etch. any ideas? |
| 07:22.22 | liable | phalacee: i had a poke around, but my memory is failing me :( |
| 07:22.31 | phalacee | cheers liable |
| 07:22.35 | streuner | litb: check out ifupdown packages for bugs (BTS) |
| 07:22.44 | troubled | litb: wasnt udev depreciated? or am I thinking devfs? |
| 07:22.57 | phalacee | now i know it can be done, I can nail it down |
| 07:23.07 | liable | phalacee: #debian-boot may be able to give clues, or at least google hoe base-config was run my give pointers |
| 07:23.09 | litb | when i type in "ifup eth0" it works right by dhcp'ing . but it doesn't do that automatically at boot |
| 07:23.37 | cydork | litb: check your interfaces for auto entry |
| 07:24.01 | litb | "allow-hotplug eth0" |
| 07:24.08 | troubled | i really need a dev machine setup to play with the stuff your asking about phalacee. i should know the debian internals more than I do, least the "proper" ways of doing thats stuff |
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| 07:24.13 | litb | then, it is apparently a hotplug error... |
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| 07:24.29 | streuner | allow-hotplug? |
| 07:24.38 | litb | ... as my mouse isn'T regognozed too at start |
| 07:24.49 | chable | mouseconfig |
| 07:24.55 | litb | s/regognozed/regognized |
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| 07:25.26 | litb | ... and my pc speaker isn'T belling too. |
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| 07:25.45 | litb | yesterday, before i installed vmware, all that worked |
| 07:25.47 | troubled | litb: modprobe pcspkr |
| 07:26.03 | cydork | litb: the you have to add auto entry for eth0, man interfaces |
| 07:26.05 | troubled | litb: no idea how vmware intercepts that though |
| 07:26.11 | phalacee | is there a package for OpenSSH ? |
| 07:26.28 | cydork | phalacee, /msg dpkg search |
| 07:26.29 | phalacee | or is it installed by default? i can't find it in the apt-cache search ssh |
| 07:26.30 | streuner | phalacee: apt-cache search ssh? |
| 07:26.42 | litb | i think it must be a hotplug error. how is the hotplug script called? |
| 07:26.42 | streuner | no, ssh is optional |
| 07:27.06 | streuner | !info hotplug |
| 07:27.10 | dpkg | hotplug: (Linux Hotplug Scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.20040329-25 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 07:27.20 | phalacee | !info ssh |
| 07:27.27 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 07:27.33 | phalacee | !info openssh |
| 07:27.49 | streuner | phalacee: /msg dpkg info foo-package |
| 07:28.01 | epsilon | install the package "ssh" and be happy |
| 07:28.03 | LoneWlf | !info openssh2 |
| 07:28.05 | phalacee | streuner: cheers |
| 07:28.07 | streuner | phalacee: or just use packages.debian.org |
| 07:28.24 | phalacee | epsilon: um ... no, I want an SSH server ... not the client ... |
| 07:28.34 | phalacee | that is, just the server |
| 07:28.35 | streuner | ssh has both |
| 07:28.57 | litb | streuner: and the initscrpit for udev, which starts hotplugging and loading of the modules? |
| 07:29.35 | enouf | troubled AFAIK - devfs/hotplug/xfree86 are deprecated (but still default on Sarge) - udev/hal/dbus/Xorg are the new kids on the block (Etch and 2.6.13-ish and up ??) and and in accordance with FHS |
| 07:29.43 | liable | phalacee: ssh-client is included in the ssh package in sarge |
| 07:30.01 | troubled | enouf: dbus doesnt ring a bell |
| 07:30.17 | enouf | I know someone will correct me though |
| 07:30.19 | streuner | true |
| 07:30.26 | phalacee | liable - okay, I'll just remove the client after install |
| 07:30.50 | streuner | How should we know what vmware does to your system? |
| 07:31.03 | enouf | reoubled : neither does litb's spkr |
| 07:31.15 | enouf | troubled* |
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| 07:32.11 | cafuego_ | !ldap weenie |
| 07:32.23 | litb | streuner: but you may know how the debian does coldplugging |
| 07:32.58 | streuner | litb: hotplug are scripts to make sure all modules are loaded... |
| 07:32.58 | litb | because that is what doesn't work here anymore since today morning |
| 07:33.04 | troubled | enouf: lol :) |
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| 07:33.25 | litb | streuner: yes, and the problem is that i don#t know what these scripts are... :) |
| 07:33.40 | litb | or how they are called |
| 07:33.48 | enouf | litb ; if you have udev installed - afaik -- you should uninstalll hotplug, especially on etch |
| 07:33.49 | streuner | we already told you |
| 07:33.55 | phalacee | litb research ... |
| 07:34.20 | litb | i don't have hotplug installed... |
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| 07:35.04 | litb | and i don'T want install it, but want udevtrigegr to be called at boottime by a initscript. but i don#T know which initscript that is |
| 07:35.09 | streuner | so why did you mention "hotplug allow"? |
| 07:37.14 | enouf | litb : you either inadvertantly upgraded ()likely vmware depends on udev and you had hotplug or someshit ok then read this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 07:37.22 | litb | because it is written so in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:37.44 | streuner | !tell litb about interfaces |
| 07:37.52 | k31th | wat is i a postmaster account used for ? |
| 07:38.02 | k31th | atm all that seems to hit it is spam. |
| 07:38.04 | enouf | ermmm ... stupid fsken HUGE Enter key -- this keyboard' getting smashed pretty soon |
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| 07:38.49 | litb | streuner: yeah, i did start "ifup eth0" but i want it to be started by a hootplug script, when the network card is found by coldplug |
| 07:38.52 | Loto | evening, I am trying to get a working 'testing' release of debian running. I install stable via a netinstall bootable cd and proceed upgrading by 'apt-get dist-upgrade' apt-get removes and installs many packages but always ends up returning an error. It seems most likely an issue with uninstalling base-config and installing profiles, Profiles always complains that it must fall back to the default 'C' profile |
| 07:39.00 | BeBoo | Hey. Isn't testing available for debian-amd64? |
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| 07:39.25 | Loto | eventually a package shits itself and apt-get errors |
| 07:39.28 | Guerin | BeBoo: sure it is |
| 07:39.53 | BeBoo | I cannot seem to find any mirrors that has anything else but stable |
| 07:40.06 | streuner | litb: just use the common values in interfaces, auto eth0 ; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 07:40.24 | Guerin | Loto: for a start, ignore the locale warnings. You should put your errors up on a pastebin for someone to look at. |
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| 07:41.36 | litb | streuner: but the problem isn'T related to the interfaces file, since the mouse and the cp speaker aren't working too. it must be a problem which is deeper in the system, like the coldplugging |
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| 07:42.10 | streuner | litb: ok, just remove vmware and all stuff related to it in /etc too. |
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| 07:42.25 | Loto | Guerin : thanks for the reply. unfortunatly the errors are all on the local machine which i've tossed out the window (frusteratingly turned off) Is the way im approaching getting a 'testing' release running the best method |
| 07:43.09 | jzx | gelo |
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| 07:43.20 | jzx | yighliytufytvjgbl;biuhnjkl |
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| 07:43.26 | MZM | is possible to compile package from specific repository? |
| 07:43.37 | enouf | Loto: do an update prior to dist-upgrade? |
| 07:43.53 | Loto | yes i did enouf |
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| 07:44.21 | Loto | originally apt-get errored because a dist-upgrade removes many running processes such as gnome and x11 |
| 07:44.47 | enouf | jzx; no rot-13 allowed |
| 07:45.02 | litb | streuner: that could be a possibility, but how can i reenable loading of the necessary modules and reenable coldplugging / start of udevd and so? |
| 07:45.06 | enouf | Loto : ok then |
| 07:45.18 | Zewl | Hi, I am running etch testing on an amd64. What sources for apt do I need in able to get php5-mysqli? |
| 07:45.19 | Loto | after killing these processes it still ended up erroring, i believe it was due to locales (thanks for the correction Guerin) |
| 07:45.23 | Loto | but i could be mistaken |
| 07:45.41 | streuner | !tell Zewl about amd64 |
| 07:45.52 | Loto | I tried to get the netinstaller to install from the testing release but that def did not work :) |
| 07:46.03 | Loto | as the installer relies on base-config |
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| 07:46.45 | enouf | !tell BeBoo about mirrors |
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| 07:47.41 | streuner | litb: well, i don't run etch atm, so the plan is rather to make sure you have a usual debian system... |
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| 07:48.05 | streuner | litb: to see, its a bug or not |
| 07:48.34 | Guerin | the beta etch installer is good |
| 07:48.34 | Guerin | beta3, that is |
| 07:48.53 | streuner | litb: for that check out BTS (udev, ifupdown....) |
| 07:48.57 | phalacee | fallingdutch: I think the solution to my problem lies in the problem you are having ... can you fill me in on this initramfs or whatever it is? |
| 07:49.17 | Loto | sounds like an easiere solution thanks |
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| 07:49.41 | streuner | litb: what does 'cat /proc/version' say, btw? |
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| 07:51.30 | fallingdutch | phalacee, well it is pretty simple |
| 07:51.46 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:51.50 | litb | Linux version 2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp (Debian 2.6.16-18) (fs@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060730 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-6)) #1 SMP Fri Aug 18 21:10:33 CEST 2006 |
| 07:51.54 | fallingdutch | phalacee, there are two directories, you should work with |
| 07:52.02 | Guerin | init* isn't really simple in practice |
| 07:52.13 | Guerin | it's quite a simple *concept* but that's not the same |
| 07:52.29 | fallingdutch | Guerin, but using mkinitramfs is |
| 07:52.29 | streuner | Guerin: all things are simple if you unterstand them (TM) ;-) |
| 07:52.35 | phalacee | fallingdutch: where do I get that from? |
| 07:52.56 | streuner | litb: just ask in #debian-amd64 then |
| 07:53.04 | fallingdutch | phalacee, afaik they are in testing and unstable |
| 07:53.10 | fallingdutch | phalacee, do you use stable? |
| 07:53.18 | phalacee | damnit ... yes I do |
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| 07:53.31 | fallingdutch | one moment, phalacee |
| 07:53.33 | phalacee | as I said, my systems are for production ... webservers and the like ... |
| 07:53.40 | phalacee | mkinitrd-cd ? |
| 07:53.44 | phalacee | is that the same thing? |
| 07:53.52 | fallingdutch | initramfs-tools |
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| 07:54.25 | phalacee | E: Couldn't find package initramfs-tools |
| 07:54.28 | phalacee | grrrness |
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| 07:54.35 | phalacee | never mind, I'll figure it out |
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| 07:55.21 | blaze | hello, how can i let a program run in bg and then log out while the program is running ? |
| 07:55.30 | fallingdutch | ill be away for about two hours, but will be back later, if you then have some questions about how to use it just ask me, phalacee else have a look at the doc included in the packages, there are some well commented examples |
| 07:55.47 | phalacee | cheers |
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| 07:57.01 | moshii | blaze: SCREEN |
| 07:57.08 | moshii | sorry for the caps |
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| 07:57.55 | blaze | there was another way as far as i remember |
| 07:58.23 | ofer0 | blaze, perl -e 'exec( "program" );' |
| 07:58.48 | k31th | How do you mount part of a file system some where else? say for example... /home/webuser/web_root (so id want the file web_root to point at /var/www/webuser/web) |
| 07:59.09 | ofer0 | k31th, are you sure you want to mount? |
| 07:59.19 | ofer0 | k31th, maybe a symlink will do the job? |
| 07:59.53 | k31th | ofer0: iv had problems using symlinks |
| 08:00.00 | k31th | i guess i could try it |
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| 08:00.14 | k31th | with a symlink but before it was being mounted |
| 08:00.41 | ofer0 | I don't understand what you are trying to do. |
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| 08:01.43 | k31th | ok |
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| 08:01.56 | k31th | mount /home/user/web to /var/www/web |
| 08:01.57 | ofer0 | You can tell apache to FollowSymLinks, and supply it with a different DocumentRoot |
| 08:02.09 | k31th | i know that |
| 08:02.16 | moshii | k31th: what you want is possible, look it up; man mount |
| 08:02.24 | ofer0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.33 | ofer0 | /home/user/web is a filesystem? I don't think so. |
| 08:02.36 | k31th | is the way im doing it normal ? |
| 08:02.40 | moshii | ofer0: mount can also doing binding etc |
| 08:02.46 | ofer0 | moshii, so? |
| 08:03.20 | ofer0 | you mean |
| 08:03.28 | ofer0 | mount --bind /home/user/web /var/www/web ? |
| 08:03.33 | moshii | ofer0: it can bind directories into different parts of the fs, it doesn't just mount fs's into the fs ;) |
| 08:03.50 | k31th | iv mounted xen iomages using mount as well |
| 08:03.55 | k31th | they are only files |
| 08:04.10 | moshii | ofer0: not sure, only ever used binding on netbsd to get around the 2gb partition boot limit |
| 08:04.20 | moshii | ofer0: on my sparc.. |
| 08:04.25 | BeBoo | Hm, i'm just in the process of installing debian with the latest beta 3 installer, but it seems to hang a "Preparing to configure flex" - should this take more than 10 minutes to complete? |
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| 08:04.40 | streuner | no |
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| 08:05.16 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 08:05.16 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 08:07.07 | BeBoo | yea well debian/I386 installer fails completely here on a amd64, so i gotta for with this. |
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| 08:15.04 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:15.05 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 08:16.59 | cydork | hehe :) |
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| 08:21.29 | streuner | hm, a very old quote :-) |
| 08:21.55 | streuner | !seen lazarus |
| 08:21.55 | dpkg | lazarus <lazarus@lazarus.registered> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 787d 15h 28m 31s ago, saying: '!ops'. |
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| 08:29.47 | Dibbler | How do I fix the b0rken x11-common upgrade problem anyone? |
| 08:30.31 | Relisxc | !seen ChanServ |
| 08:30.31 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'chanserv', Relisxc |
| 08:30.35 | Relisxc | =o |
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| 08:32.25 | dn4 | I just saw this amazing video that is insane http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6651413045806084048 <-- Tiger stalking skills |
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| 08:34.50 | Relisxc | I could take a tiger in unarmed combat |
| 08:35.17 | Relisxc | Unless he went for the crotch |
| 08:36.24 | dn4 | Relisxc, tigers always go for the crotch |
| 08:36.26 | dn4 | hahaha |
| 08:37.37 | SlayerXP | most people think tigers are smaller than lions |
| 08:37.44 | Relisxc | "Ahh! Biting and scratching me, my one weakness, how did you know?!" |
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| 08:38.18 | SlayerXP | having seen a full grown male tiger at close quarters, I can confirm this popular view to be "complete bollocks" |
| 08:38.44 | Relisxc | SlayerXP: Could one ride a tiger? |
| 08:39.06 | Relisxc | No one would mess with me if I showed up to work riding one |
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| 08:40.08 | christianp | hi all |
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| 08:40.27 | Relisxc | hello |
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| 08:41.33 | christianp | a dummy question: how can i make a daemon running at boot time? (otherwise every reboot i have to run /..../<somestuff> start) |
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| 08:43.29 | Blastur | using bash, its possible to specify a pattern for listing.. like ls [ab].txt lists all files called a.txt and b.txt .. is it possible to expand this pattern to words? so i can say "show all files that contains word hello and yahoo, and ends with .txt"? .. that is, i want something like perl regex [hello|yahoo] |
| 08:47.50 | cydork | Blastur: ls [ab].txt is possible but for if you want heigher regex capabilty you can use sed or perl even |
| 08:48.24 | Blastur | so, ls has no such "advanced" pattern matching? |
| 08:48.46 | Guerin | Blastur: man 7 regex is, I believe, what you want |
| 08:48.56 | Guerin | Blastur: #bash will also be your friend |
| 08:50.22 | Blastur | i know regex, but i cant seem to get it to work with find .. i do: find . -regex '*[hello|yahoo]*' and it gives nothing :( |
| 08:50.35 | Blastur | err, (hello|yahoo) i mean |
| 08:50.37 | ofer0 | Blastur, you are using the wrong type of brackets |
| 08:50.42 | ofer0 | Blastur, oops, yeah. |
| 08:50.43 | ofer0 | :) |
| 08:51.04 | Blastur | not even "find . -regex '*a*'" works :) |
| 08:51.45 | ofer0 | perl -le 'my $cmd = qx/ls/ =~ /.*(yahoo|hello).*\.txt$/ && print $cmd;' |
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| 08:52.53 | ofer0 | nah, it doesn't work. |
| 08:53.10 | Blastur | so what am i doing wrong? |
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| 08:53.40 | ofer0 | Blastur, *a* is not a regex syntax |
| 08:53.47 | ofer0 | maybe you are looking for .*a.* |
| 08:53.59 | ofer0 | and yeah, it works. |
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| 08:55.37 | incorrect | hi, is there a command line html validator? |
| 08:57.14 | ofer0 | incorrect, don't think so. you can write something that gets results from validator.w3.org using Perl |
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| 08:57.46 | Malagmyr | Apparently, %S is supposed to be the variable for share name in samba.conf. I'm trying to make it log access per share, instead of the default per connected host (%m). However, while %m.log creates one file for each host, ending with .log, %s.log and %S.log both create a file called %s.log (upper and lower case respectively) and puts everything in that. How can I get it to log per share? |
| 08:58.16 | adivoinea | hello, I use debian sarge and amavis gives me this error: Aug 29 11:56:39 kiki.gds.ro /usr/sbin/amavisd-new[8000]: TROUBLE in pre_loop_hook: Transactions not supported by database at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 670. what's wrong? |
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| 09:04.49 | ofer0 | incorrect, wdg-html-validator |
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| 09:07.32 | incorrect | thanks ofer0 |
| 09:07.39 | incorrect | i found a really nice for for firefox |
| 09:07.47 | incorrect | not command line, but its great |
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| 09:25.21 | Malagmyr | How can I make samba log usage per share? |
| 09:25.33 | Malagmyr | as in <sharename>.log ? |
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| 09:33.14 | ofer0 | incorrect, Web Developer? |
| 09:33.49 | incorrect | ofer0, i found another, i didn't notice web developer had a check |
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| 09:33.52 | incorrect | sigh im blind |
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| 09:34.55 | nvz | Malagmyr: http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch06.html |
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| 09:39.17 | nvz | Malagmyr: doesnt work like I thought it would though I was thinking table 6-2 and table 6-8 would be of interest |
| 09:39.36 | nvz | Malagmyr: I tested changing %m to %S in the log string but it doesnt seem to do what I thought it would |
| 09:39.53 | Malagmyr | nvz: It makes a file called %S.log, right? |
| 09:40.20 | nvz | Malagmyr: yep I have no idea why it doesnt work right |
| 09:41.11 | nvz | I am curious though |
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| 09:43.00 | nvz | Malagmyr: I am also a little curious as to why you'd rather log that way |
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| 09:44.07 | Malagmyr | nvz: because a lot of machines come and go during lan's and such, and I'm currently experimenting with virtual machines for some school work, so I get a whole bunch of useless log files using %m |
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| 09:45.28 | Malagmyr | nvz: also, I am using share-level security, so I am more interested in sudden activity on a share only I should have access to than to go through all the logs to see if anyone used it |
| 09:45.42 | nvz | Malagmyr: I see. so this would keep cleaner logs regaurdless of network size or what hosts come and go |
| 09:45.51 | Malagmyr | exactly |
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| 09:49.47 | k31th | With postfix can i just add more than one user in the virtual user table ? |
| 09:49.54 | k31th | say for example |
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| 09:50.20 | k31th | blah@blah.com colin ben bob bobby |
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| 09:54.49 | nvz | Malagmyr: the table 6-8 clearly says that it works with all variables |
| 09:54.54 | Malagmyr | nvz: gah. i thought I could customize which log files to use in separate config files for each share, but include doesn't support %S either |
| 09:54.57 | nvz | Malagmyr: I am confused |
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| 09:55.24 | Malagmyr | nvz. bug, maybe? |
| 09:55.35 | nvz | I am thinking that for sure at this point |
| 09:55.50 | nvz | there is either a bug in the program or a bug in the documentation :P |
| 09:56.32 | nvz | I am sure I am understanding the documentation correctly. I am just not getting the desired result |
| 09:57.12 | nvz | Malagmyr: see this http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch12.html |
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| 09:57.31 | Malagmyr | ... |
| 09:57.44 | nvz | Malagmyr: like second page shows samaba logs the way we are trying to configure them |
| 09:58.08 | Malagmyr | nvz: indeed. perhaps a newer version of samba... |
| 09:58.39 | trouble | does someone know a text-browser that supports file downloads of >2gb? Im getting "file size limit exceeded" with lynx |
| 09:58.55 | nvz | "Another useful trick is to have the server keep a log for each service (share) that is offered, especially if you suspect a particular share is causing trouble. To do this, use the %S variable, like this: ... log file = %S.log" |
| 09:59.36 | nvz | Malagmyr: possibly. I still say its a bug, but since this is a stable debian package and its not a security problem its not likely to be fixed |
| 10:00.03 | nvz | Malagmyr: I've been meaning to upgrade to testing anyhow.. I think I should do it and see if it works there.. and if not then it can be reported |
| 10:00.25 | Malagmyr | nvz: inconvenient logging is, to me, a security issue. I'm trying samba from testing now. |
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| 10:03.09 | nvz | Malagmyr: cool let me know how that goes |
| 10:03.29 | Malagmyr | nvz: badly :( |
| 10:04.11 | nvz | Malagmyr: tried already? |
| 10:04.16 | Malagmyr | yep |
| 10:04.28 | nvz | Malagmyr: if you intend on filing bugs let me know I am going to confirm them |
| 10:04.28 | Malagmyr | nvz: I still get the %S.log file |
| 10:04.55 | nvz | Malagmyr: I asked on OFTC:#debian and #samba on here got no answers |
| 10:05.12 | nvz | Malagmyr: I was going to say try mailing lists but its looking more and more like a wicked bug |
| 10:05.22 | Malagmyr | nvz: someone must have run into this already.. |
| 10:06.23 | nvz | Malagmyr: yeah I am gonna check the bts first.. but I am making some soup right now I am hungry :P then I will get back to upgrading to testing and filing bugs |
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| 10:07.59 | nvz | Malagmyr: might be interesting to try get hold of the latest samba code upstream and see what happens so if it doesnt work anywhere the samba developers can be poked for it |
| 10:08.19 | nvz | they wrote documentation that doesnt seem to be true |
| 10:09.54 | hhanne | my touchpad isn't working anymore. i installed gnome and wanted to try it, but after leaving kde the xserver will not start again. also my /dev/input/mosue0 device is gone. does someone have an idea what the problem is? |
| 10:09.55 | nvz | gyyyuhyhu |
| 10:10.32 | nvz | heh, got a noodle in my keyboard and pried the keys off to get it out :P |
| 10:10.35 | Malagmyr | nvz: I tried the one from etch too. It makes a directory called "cores", which is empty, in my logs directory, and recreates the %S.log file |
| 10:10.42 | tn3270 | !xorg |
| 10:10.42 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 10:11.35 | nvz | Malagmyr: yeah but there is a slim chance these logging features are newer than debian's samba and we are reading nw upstream documentation |
| 10:11.54 | nvz | Malagmyr: either have to pull the docs out of debian and see if they match or try the latest upstream code |
| 10:12.37 | hhanne | does nobody have an idea? |
| 10:12.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:12.47 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:13.19 | Doat | hhanne: try /dev/input/mice? |
| 10:13.32 | nvz | Malagmyr: I am grabbing samba-doc from stable now to see if it includes this using-samba document we are looking at |
| 10:13.35 | hhanne | i did, but it doesn't work |
| 10:13.48 | Doat | hm, i don't know then |
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| 10:14.23 | tarzeau | !nvidia |
| 10:14.23 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 10:14.26 | tarzeau | !ati |
| 10:14.26 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx> |
| 10:14.33 | hhanne | k, thx anyway |
| 10:14.34 | Slipknot | !es |
| 10:14.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:14.59 | nvz | Malagmyr: /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/using_samba/ch12.html shows the exact same document |
| 10:15.21 | tarzeau | dpkg ati is also http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver |
| 10:15.21 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 10:15.32 | Malagmyr | nvz: I'm googling all over and can't find anyone with the same problem. |
| 10:15.47 | nvz | Malagmyr: most people probably just minimally configure it heh |
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| 10:16.14 | nvz | Malagmyr: you have to realize things like nautilus and such now use samba libs and require little or no configuration or understanding of samba |
| 10:17.11 | nvz | Malagmyr: I dont understand how someone could have wrote this documentation without realizing it didnt work.. so I am still curious if the latest upstream code has the same issue |
| 10:18.02 | Malagmyr | nvz: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2006-january/115979.html |
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| 10:18.25 | nvz | Malagmyr: not found |
| 10:18.43 | nvz | I get a 404 there |
| 10:18.45 | Malagmyr | nvz: gah. big J in January. wrote it off another screen |
| 10:19.42 | nvz | Malagmyr: yeah well the reply to that mailing list post is inconsistant with Using Samba Chapter 06 figure 6-8 |
| 10:19.57 | nvz | Malagmyr: and Using Samba Chaper 12 |
| 10:20.10 | nvz | it _IS_ suppose to work |
| 10:20.26 | nvz | its well documented |
| 10:21.09 | nvz | so Gerald Carter apperently doesnt RTFM |
| 10:21.39 | Malagmyr | nvz: :P |
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| 10:22.22 | MatBoy | Is there a good solution for a fax-server under Debian ? |
| 10:22.48 | nvz | that usage is specifified verbatim in chapter 12, and in chapter 6 in the logging section it clearly states that the log string works with _ALL_ samba variables |
| 10:23.39 | nvz | it doesnt even attempt to parse %S as a variable it parses it literally |
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| 10:25.18 | nvz | MatBoy: there is the hylafax-server package you might want to look at that and see if it does what you need |
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| 10:25.53 | MatBoy | nvz, ah, thanks ! do you know if your hardware needs te be BIG for this ? |
| 10:26.16 | petemc | it doesnt |
| 10:26.18 | nvz | meh? |
| 10:26.52 | petemc | the package in stable didnt work with my cheapo modems last time i tried it tho, needed a more recent version |
| 10:26.58 | fireba11 | MatBoy: nah .. every old box will do |
| 10:27.11 | syntaxx | im wondering if you have 2 pc in your network you have different subnet does that affect the internet when someone on 1 pc downloading and other pc playing online games? |
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| 10:27.32 | MatBoy | fireba11, I already thought :) I was looking for a solution that can receive the fax, store it digitally and print it also out directly |
| 10:27.43 | syntaxx | coz someone told me it doesnt affect at all.. im just wondering if its true |
| 10:27.46 | MatBoy | Win Fax Pro is quite nice... but I want to use Linux :) |
| 10:28.01 | fireba11 | syntaxx: i don't really understand what you want |
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| 10:29.31 | syntaxx | fireba11, what i mean is if you have 2 pc in your network and have different subnet for each pc does that affect the internet sharing? |
| 10:30.06 | fireba11 | syntaxx: not more or less than using the same subnet |
| 10:30.29 | petemc | syntaxx: the different subnet thing doesnt matter a jot, if you have a 2meg connection, and someone is getting close to that speed with a download, there wont be any bandwidth left for the game |
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| 10:32.20 | syntaxx | petemc, oic coz i have a friend and he have a internet cafe with both gaming and internet he told me when you use make it different subnet it wont affect anything.. so its not true |
| 10:32.27 | nvz | Malagmyr: #311300 is the only logging related bug on the debian bts.. and its not directly related to this |
| 10:32.38 | Empiric | i hace hp dx5150 mt with sata disk |
| 10:32.47 | Empiric | debain 32 wont pick drice |
| 10:32.50 | Empiric | drive |
| 10:32.53 | Empiric | any idea |
| 10:32.54 | blondie | !debain |
| 10:32.54 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 10:33.04 | nvz | I wonder what severity a bug would be if a configuration/logging option described in multiple places in the documentation simply doesnt work. |
| 10:33.38 | Malagmyr | hm.. |
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| 10:34.05 | yaboo | anyone using a usb dvb tv unit? |
| 10:34.20 | Malagmyr | nvz: I'd say above average, unless you're talking security severity. When something doesn't do what it's supposed to in a case this simple, it's very, very wrong. |
| 10:34.54 | Malagmyr | nvz: the actual example shown at http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch12.html doesn't work, and that's BAD. |
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| 10:35.27 | nvz | Malagmyr: yeah the same example is in samba-doc package |
| 10:35.44 | phorce1 | Empiric: if your motherboard has "built in Raid" -- turn it off |
| 10:35.52 | nvz | Malagmyr: I am thinking a bug needs to be filed and just for the hell of it I am gonna see if I can poke around and narrow it down |
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| 10:36.11 | Empiric | wait let me check |
| 10:36.32 | Malagmyr | nvz: keep me updated :) |
| 10:36.42 | fireba11 | syntaxx: whoever said that got no clue what he is talking about |
| 10:36.51 | Malagmyr | nvz: I'm trying to simplify my config file atm, to see if it's colliding with some other option. |
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| 10:37.15 | Empiric | phorce l i have single sata drive |
| 10:37.16 | phorce1 | Empiric: most current MB RAID "controllers" are just hooks to activate Windows SOFTWARE raid. Not true hardware raid controllers |
| 10:37.24 | Empiric | how could be raid there |
| 10:37.29 | angelo1312 | hi! |
| 10:37.53 | phorce1 | Empiric: Yes, but you have to make sure the "RAID controller" option is turned off in the BIOS. |
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| 10:38.17 | angelo1312 | please, why jre is so slow and high cpu-consuming? |
| 10:38.26 | nvz | Malagmyr: I doubt it. I dont use the samba server on this box, I use it on the other one.. and I tested it on here with a very basic config |
| 10:38.53 | phorce1 | Empiric: Ask me how I know. <heh>. Stupid nVidia chipset board I had grabbed even a single drive and set it up as a RAID drive if the RAID option was on in BIOS. |
| 10:39.24 | fireba11 | phorce1: on some boards you have to turn it on or you won't see SATA drives at all though :-/ |
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| 10:39.55 | angelo1312 | please, why jre is so slow and high cpu consuming on debian unstable? |
| 10:40.19 | KermitTheFragger | angelo1312, what jre are you using ? Sun ? |
| 10:40.19 | SpeedyG | because of the 'j' part |
| 10:40.31 | phorce1 | fireba11: Most will allow you to configure the SATA to appear as PATA controllers 3 and 4 Master drives when you disable RAID. |
| 10:40.32 | Empiric | i wont find and raid option in BIOS |
| 10:40.47 | angelo1312 | but under windows it is fast.. |
| 10:40.55 | SpeedyG | it's java.. :P |
| 10:41.18 | KermitTheFragger | SpeedyG: what does that have to do with anything ? |
| 10:41.28 | phorce1 | Empiric: not always easy to spot. Check every page of BIOS. I don't recall where it was on mine but it WASN'T on any page that seemed to deal with hard drives. |
| 10:41.44 | SpeedyG | thats the answer why it's slow and high cpu consuming |
| 10:41.47 | SpeedyG | java sucks bigtime |
| 10:41.52 | angelo1312 | is there an utility to test and configure java environment? |
| 10:41.54 | Malagmyr | nvz: nope. even a completely minimal config with basically just logging and a single share wont do :/ |
| 10:42.00 | angelo1312 | and Xorg? |
| 10:42.05 | KermitTheFragger | SpeedyG: Real mature, and what do you know about that subject ? |
| 10:42.17 | KermitTheFragger | SpeedyG: You ran an applet back in 1995 and it was slow ? |
| 10:42.29 | SpeedyG | KermitTheFragger: w/e |
| 10:42.40 | phorce1 | 'echo +b4 > /dev/cm19a0;sleep 10;echo -b4 > /dev/cm19a0' (repeat). Fascinating. Simple things for simple minds. Flashing lights. |
| 10:42.53 | nvz | Malagmyr: I am snooping around in lib/debug.c in the samba source to see if I can find a smoking gun |
| 10:43.38 | nvz | Malagmyr: I think this is the file where the problem would be.. not sure though |
| 10:43.55 | angelo1312 | is it possible that Xorg configuration influences jre speed? |
| 10:44.04 | KermitTheFragger | SpeedyG: w/e ?? what does that mean... |
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| 10:44.25 | Empiric | phorcel i checked but i am unbale to get |
| 10:45.09 | phorce1 | Empiric: That last line I typed wasn't for you (echo +b4 etc...) |
| 10:45.23 | Empiric | ya its ok |
| 10:45.24 | phorce1 | Empiric: lemme look at something -- brb |
| 10:45.26 | Frostbite | What's the best way of upgrading multiple machines at once? I was thinking apt-proxy and dssh. |
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| 10:45.43 | nvz | Malagmyr: not being a samba developer and this being such a large source tree I probably dont have much chance of finding anything :P |
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| 10:45.58 | Empiric | plz |
| 10:46.09 | Laibsch | Hi, yesterday I changed my xorg.conf to enable dual-head on my Thinkpad X24. It works but it seems something also broke in the process. my xterm is black on black IOW I cannot read the text. Calling xterm from the Ctrl+Alt+F1 console gives http://pastebin.ca/153036 Anybody know where I can fix this? |
| 10:46.13 | zamolxes | ok, I did a mirror for etch on my laptop with debmirror. How would I use it as an apt repository? Thanks |
| 10:46.29 | Malagmyr | nvz: well, there must be a %S in there somewhere... |
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| 10:46.44 | Malagmyr | nvz: or maybe there isn't O.o |
| 10:47.02 | phorce1 | Empiric: OK, it definitely has an "integrated SATA RAID controller". Lemme see if I can find how to turn it off. |
| 10:47.08 | angelo1312 | please, is it possible that Xorg configuration influences java speed? |
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| 10:49.20 | angelo1312 | please, how can I reduce CPU consuming of jre? |
| 10:49.23 | felixhcat | ?? |
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| 10:50.16 | eastwood | was there a big kde move to stable? |
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| 10:50.56 | Malagmyr | angelo1312: why are you running Debian unstable? |
| 10:51.06 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 10:51.28 | angelo1312 | because I can run everything on it.. |
| 10:52.27 | nvz | Malagmyr: well its not really that simple :P after browsing through debug.c it seems the problem couldnt be in here because all it does is initalize debugging and check that the logs arent too big..etc I am looking for where it parses the logfile name |
| 10:52.47 | angelo1312 | Malagmyr: do you use sarge? |
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| 10:53.56 | Malagmyr | angelo1312: I use sarge, with a few bits of sid where needed. You shouldn't run unstable, unless you're a developer or in some other way really know what you're doing. |
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| 10:54.03 | adrakoa | hi... when i run enemy territory, i have a black screen and only sound ... my graphics card i810, glxinfo | grep rendering direct rendering: Yes ,i try with a lot of resolutions and dephts.. |
| 10:55.38 | angelo1312 | Malagmyr: have you an acceptable CPU load of java processes? |
| 10:56.08 | phorce1 | Empiric: here it comes... |
| 10:56.16 | phorce1 | Empiric: Go into BIOS |
| 10:56.29 | Empiric | ok |
| 10:56.32 | Empiric | then |
| 10:56.41 | phorce1 | Empiric: select "Integrated Peripherals" |
| 10:57.07 | Empiric | ok |
| 10:57.28 | Malagmyr | angelo1312: Sure... I only run a self-made irc but, but it sits happily at about 0% cpu most of the time |
| 10:57.35 | phorce1 | Empiric: select "Onboard Chip SATA" and set it to IDE Controller and NOT RAID Controller. |
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| 10:57.39 | Malagmyr | bot* |
| 10:58.43 | phorce1 | Empiric: That *should* make any SATA drives show up as regular IDE Master drives on IDE3 and IDE4 (or IDE2 and IDE3 if numbers start at 0) |
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| 10:59.05 | phorce1 | Empiric: Of course we *ARE* talking about HP here. All bets are off |
| 10:59.35 | phorce1 | 'echo +b4 > /dev/cm19a0;sleep 10;echo -b4 > /dev/cm19a0' (repeat). Fascinating. Simple things for simple minds. Flashing lights. |
| 10:59.39 | Empiric | no sata options |
| 10:59.41 | Malagmyr | nvz: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7251 <-- these guys screw around with the source for the logging a bit. Without being too into that, I'd say it seems like the logging comes from each of the separate components. Like chgpasswd.c logs a password change. But that might be just something they've done. |
| 11:00.12 | phorce1 | Empiric: I got the info from here: http://h50069.www5.hp.com/e-Delivery3/Forum/Others/UpLoadFiles/52a7281a-78fa-4a02-8f06-1461927ea1d4.pdf#search=%22hp%20dx5150%20bios%20settings%22 |
| 11:00.19 | angelo1312 | do you think that my high CPU consuming of java processes does depend from the unstable choice? |
| 11:00.54 | phorce1 | Empiric: That's the "HP dx5150 RAID Installation and Setup Guide" (googled it) |
| 11:01.03 | nvz | Malagmyr: yeah I figured that much.. but somewhere in there it has to be figuring out where to write the debug messages. I am working on a bug report atm |
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| 11:01.30 | Empiric | on board ship sata = IDE |
| 11:01.33 | nvz | Malagmyr: I will file it on Version: 3.0.22-1 (etch) and note that it seems to effect all versions |
| 11:01.34 | Empiric | is it ok |
| 11:02.13 | Malagmyr | angelo1312: rather on your choice of java packages. However, I would suspect, based on experience, that your "unstable choice" might be the reason why you're hardly getting answers in here. People expect other people who use unstable to use the dbt and generally solve their own problems. |
| 11:02.42 | miro | hi im trting to install MYSQL by "apt-get install MYSQL" then i see its installed by still im geting an error msg ?!?!? |
| 11:02.54 | phorce1 | Empiric: That's what it should be. The drive should show up on the MAIN BIOS page (Standard options) as the master drive on IDE 2 or 3 |
| 11:03.02 | Malagmyr | nvz: i'll sign up on that as soon as it's done |
| 11:03.14 | Malagmyr | nvz: thanks for helping me out btw :) |
| 11:03.30 | Empiric | its om SAta channel 1 |
| 11:03.31 | angelo1312 | dbt??? |
| 11:03.36 | Empiric | maste |
| 11:03.39 | Empiric | master |
| 11:03.44 | phorce1 | miro: There's more to MySQL than just MySQL |
| 11:04.07 | miro | php4-mysql |
| 11:04.10 | Malagmyr | angelo1312: bts, sorry |
| 11:04.13 | karsten | phorce1: UsSQL? |
| 11:04.33 | angelo1312 | Malagmyr: bts??? |
| 11:04.39 | karsten | !bts |
| 11:04.39 | phorce1 | Empiric: It *should* work then. -- But, once again, we are talking about an *HP* machine. Still may not work |
| 11:04.39 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:04.49 | Malagmyr | !tell angelo1312 about bts |
| 11:04.52 | Malagmyr | !tell angelo1312 about unstable |
| 11:04.59 | Malagmyr | seriously :/ |
| 11:05.00 | Empiric | ya its not working |
| 11:05.19 | angelo1312 | !tell angelo1312 about bts |
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| 11:05.37 | hdkiller | !tell me about etch |
| 11:05.59 | karsten | hdkiller: /msg the bots |
| 11:06.04 | nvz | Malagmyr: yeah usually I avoid issues that are overly complicated but I am a samba user too and although this particular feature doesnt interest me at this point I am interested in learning more uses of samba and making sure the damn thing works right |
| 11:06.09 | hdkiller | k k sorry |
| 11:06.17 | karsten | hdkiller: NP |
| 11:06.18 | phorce1 | karsten: I was thinking more along the lines of apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server --- all the bits and pieces. |
| 11:06.19 | kristalino | every time i run mozilla i get the window "select User Profile" And mozilla refuses to start. What can i do ? |
| 11:06.35 | karsten | phorce1: That too. I'd just skipped back into the discussion, missed context. |
| 11:06.40 | angelo1312 | aaaaah.. debian bug tracking system.. |
| 11:06.50 | karsten | kristalino: Delete/move your user profiles for a start. |
| 11:06.59 | Malagmyr | hdkiller: at least msg the bots when telling stuff to yourself :) posting !tell <username> <topic> in #debian might be good so that others don't tell <username> the same thing 10 more times |
| 11:07.13 | kristalino | karsten, yes of cours, i could do that, bu i have some bookmarks :/ |
| 11:07.18 | karsten | kristalino: ~/.mozilla/default/ |
| 11:07.23 | miro | phorce1 : can you help me ? |
| 11:07.31 | karsten | kristalino: That's why you move it somewhere. Out of the way, but not gone. |
| 11:07.39 | hdkiller | ah Malagmyr i know dpkg, we are friends |
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| 11:07.52 | phorce1 | karsten: /me is just plain sleep deprived playing with my new toy (X10 transceiver hooked up to the linux box -- turning lights on and off from the command line) |
| 11:08.14 | karsten | phorce1: Is that the same X10 of the popup ads? |
| 11:08.22 | karsten | phorce1: ... mind, it does sound pretty slick. |
| 11:09.00 | karsten | kristalino: I think it's just the 'default' directory under .mozilla, not positive. Might check #firefox or #mozilla (first exists, not sure of the second...) |
| 11:09.01 | adrakoa | hi... when i run enemy territory, i have a black screen and only sound ... my graphics card i810, glxinfo | grep rendering direct rendering: Yes ,i try with a lot of resolutions and dephts.. |
| 11:09.05 | miro | can any one help me with php4-mysql ? installed but not workinh |
| 11:09.08 | phorce1 | miro: do 'apt-cache search mysql|less' and dig down through the list. you should see the bits and pieces you need to 'apt-get install' (mysql-client and mysql-server mainly) |
| 11:09.25 | karsten | kristalino: ... yes, #mozilla exists. |
| 11:09.46 | miro | phorch1 : i'll try brb |
| 11:09.50 | karsten | phorce1: There's no task or meta-package that's sufficient for the task? |
| 11:10.04 | phorce1 | karsten: yep. I avoid their site like the plague. Popups even for regular customers. Can but X10 equipment from resellers pretty cheap. |
| 11:10.33 | phorce1 | karsten: I think I ended up installing it a bit at a time on this box. Running Etch here though. |
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| 11:10.44 | karsten | phorce1: Why do sites pull that crap? |
| 11:10.50 | karsten | </rhetorical> |
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| 11:11.43 | phorce1 | karsten: and a quick scan through the apt-cache search screen shows no "mysql" target for install. Only the pieces. |
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| 11:12.12 | karsten | phorce1: Might be one that has the deps to suck in (most) of the others |
| 11:12.55 | karsten | phorce1: Becomes the sort of trivia that makes a good factoid. |
| 11:12.59 | phorce1 | karsten: They at least quit with the email spam. The web garbage on their site just drives customers elsewhere unless they have a killer sale that gets posted in the forums. |
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| 11:13.42 | karsten | phorce1: mysql-server deps mysql-client. |
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| 11:14.16 | phorce1 | karsten: They market to the masses as "CHEAP HOME AUTOMATION". they fail to mention that one almost requires an EE degree for more than the most BASIC setup. |
| 11:14.35 | karsten | ;-) |
| 11:14.42 | nvz | Malagmyr: well I sent it out as an important bug because it doesnt effect usability for all users, but noted that in all honesty it should by all rights be considered severe as it directly contradicts the documentation |
| 11:15.17 | Malagmyr | nvz: what number did it get? |
| 11:15.59 | nvz | Malagmyr: I have no idea. it hasnt posted on the bts and I havent gotten a reply |
| 11:16.35 | Malagmyr | nvz: could you privmsg me the number when you get the reply? I have to hit the shower. |
| 11:16.55 | karsten | phorce1: Say, can you control nipples with that thing? |
| 11:17.10 | nvz | Malagmyr: alright |
| 11:17.25 | karsten | phorce1: ... leading to the obvious conclusion that since your Linux box has a nipple, it's got an intuitive interface. |
| 11:17.33 | Malagmyr | nvz: thanks a lot :) |
| 11:17.35 | phorce1 | karsten: I'm working on adding a few cameras on pan/tilt mounts and setting up web control of it all. X10 is bad about witing YEARS to share specs with open source authors so I'm having to do a lot of digging (/me != programmer) |
| 11:17.47 | karsten | phorce1: Dig. |
| 11:18.00 | karsten | phorce1: ... as in, "yeah", not as in "dig more!". |
| 11:18.13 | miro | porch1 : you are a King thank you ! |
| 11:18.37 | phorce1 | karsten: you lost me on the nipple thing though. (sleep deprivation, use small words many times) |
| 11:18.57 | karsten | phorce1: "The only intuitive interface is the nipple". |
| 11:19.05 | nils_ | can someone with experinece customising debian-installer have a look at this and tell me what i'm doing wrong.... http://www.olofsson.tv/debian-installer/errors.htm |
| 11:19.07 | angelo1312 | Malagmyr: what jre do you use? |
| 11:19.10 | karsten | phorce1: ... a mantra in UI discussion circles. |
| 11:19.18 | karsten | phorce1: ... "after that, it's all learned". |
| 11:19.42 | karsten | phorce1: http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2002/08/nipple.html |
| 11:19.50 | phorce1 | karsten: found it. |
| 11:20.26 | Empiric | phorcel |
| 11:20.27 | karsten | phorce1: Heh: There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It's all learned. |
| 11:20.32 | Empiric | u there |
| 11:20.48 | Empiric | am feeling my network from morning very slow |
| 11:20.59 | Empiric | though ping response is good |
| 11:21.13 | Empiric | but my web based application is slow |
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| 11:21.24 | Empiric | i wont know why this is happening |
| 11:22.43 | phorce1 | Empiric: figuring out why a netwok connection is slow from the other end is almost impossible. You'll have to dig around to see if something fired up in the background, or on another machine, that's eatng bandwidth |
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| 11:23.13 | angelo1312 | please, what is the best low CPU consuming jre package? |
| 11:23.21 | Empiric | what should i do |
| 11:23.39 | Empiric | any advice that i follow |
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| 11:24.07 | phorce1 | Empiric: good ping (small packets not many in number) but slow web could be a spm zombie attack trying to deliver a bunch of emails/viruses to your IP. I see it a lot at work when our mail server gets hammered. |
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| 11:24.31 | Empiric | no |
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| 11:24.38 | Empiric | its a point to point link |
| 11:25.04 | phorce1 | Empiric: nothing I can specifically point out for you to do. Sometimes shutting down the connection for a few miunutes then coming back on will cause whatever is hitting you to move on to another IP |
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| 11:25.15 | karsten | Empiric: Performance is a matter of disk, CPU, memory, network, and/or latency waiting for responses. |
| 11:25.37 | Empiric | karstern that true |
| 11:25.48 | Empiric | but i have enoght disk space enough mem |
| 11:25.53 | karsten | Empiric: You're the one with the system in front of you / available to you. top, ps, vmstat, iostat, netstat, atop, are your basic tools. |
| 11:25.55 | Empiric | no issues at this point |
| 11:26.01 | Empiric | when i run top |
| 11:26.04 | karsten | Empiric: It's not space, it's contention. |
| 11:26.09 | karsten | !tell Empiric about enter |
| 11:26.11 | Empiric | no load on cpu |
| 11:26.22 | karsten | Empiric: OK, then it's not CPU. |
| 11:26.33 | karsten | Empiric: What sort of website? Database-backed? |
| 11:26.49 | Empiric | but am continously pinging on another point its not breaking |
| 11:26.49 | phorce1 | Empiric: PtoP without going through the Internet? Direct wire? If not direct you can still have intrusions affecting the connection even if you never see the result on your computer. |
| 11:26.49 | karsten | Empiric: Check your logs. Any messages showing under messages or your apache error logs? |
| 11:27.00 | Empiric | ya oracle dataabse backed |
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| 11:27.17 | Empiric | its radio link |
| 11:27.20 | karsten | Empiric: OK, what's your latency on query response like? How many queries per page? |
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| 11:28.10 | Empiric | approx 19 users are connected |
| 11:28.20 | voicu | Hi, I have a matrox g400 card with dualhead and two monitors attached. My problem is that I configured X to recognize both monitors, but nothing appears on the second one. |
| 11:28.40 | Empiric | on top am seeing 19 users |
| 11:28.57 | karsten | Empiric: How about you take a hard look at your system, and/or ask how to use some of the tools mentioned, rather than spewing mostly irrelevant details. |
| 11:29.01 | voicu | The desktop is strectched to the left, as it should (I put monitor #2 leftof #1) |
| 11:29.07 | nvz | o.O damn its like low-to-mid 70s (degF) all around the US but its only 55 in San Francisco |
| 11:29.11 | karsten | !tell Empiric about paster |
| 11:29.14 | phorce1 | Empiric: that was my next question -- how many users and how big is the pipe on the other end of the radio. Ping is almost a no-load test. |
| 11:29.14 | Empiric | but who says its 9 users |
| 11:29.19 | karsten | Empiric: Might use that to post relevant output. |
| 11:29.36 | karsten | phorce1: ping packets can be arbitrary sizes (to 65k). |
| 11:29.50 | karsten | Empiric: Not significant. |
| 11:30.16 | karsten | nvz: The worst winter I ever spent ... |
| 11:30.26 | Empiric | its 256 k |
| 11:30.28 | phorce1 | karsten: didn't say he was changing he packet size. Default 'ping some.host' is a negligible load |
| 11:30.42 | karsten | phorce1: I'm saying you _can_. |
| 11:30.47 | Empiric | i have 2 other site with same configuration for link and same server specs |
| 11:31.04 | Empiric | accessing the same certralized web based application |
| 11:31.05 | karsten | Empiric: Stop nickle-and-diming us with irrelevant crap. |
| 11:31.10 | Empiric | no issues with those 2 |
| 11:31.14 | voicu | How do I tell X which device to use for each screen? |
| 11:31.16 | karsten | Empiric: Run diagnostics, assemble output, use paster. |
| 11:31.24 | Empiric | karsten then what u want |
| 11:31.38 | karsten | Empiric: Smart supplicants. |
| 11:31.40 | Empiric | am sorry |
| 11:31.47 | Empiric | but am not getting u guys |
| 11:32.07 | karsten | voicu: Um. Clients or X config? |
| 11:32.26 | phorce1 | Empiric: Then something is happening on THIS machine specifically. Hate to say it because it's a "windowism" but try rebooting so that you are starting with a clean slate. |
| 11:32.27 | Empiric | what |
| 11:32.29 | karsten | voicu: See any decent multi-head config guide. I think recent configuration tools actually walk you through it. |
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| 11:32.57 | Empiric | am on suse linux |
| 11:32.59 | voicu | karsten: In kubuntu worked fine with the exact same configuration |
| 11:33.05 | Empiric | i cant reboot its live machine |
| 11:33.08 | karsten | !kubuntu |
| 11:33.08 | dpkg | hmm... kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
| 11:33.09 | Empiric | all users r working |
| 11:33.18 | Empiric | and rebooting is not the solution |
| 11:33.24 | Empiric | thats my boss says |
| 11:33.25 | karsten | voicu: What version of X? xorg? xf86? |
| 11:33.34 | voicu | XFree |
| 11:33.44 | voicu | with kde 3.3 |
| 11:33.44 | karsten | voicu: I suspect kubuntu's running xorg. |
| 11:33.50 | karsten | voicu: sarge? |
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| 11:33.55 | karsten | voicu: .... or another distro? |
| 11:33.56 | voicu | yep but the configuration is the same, no? |
| 11:33.56 | phorce1 | Empiric: then you'll have to dig through 'ps ax' outputs and see if something is running that shouldn't be |
| 11:33.59 | voicu | deb 3.1 |
| 11:34.00 | Rothgar | Anyone used BMC? |
| 11:34.02 | karsten | voicu: Nope. |
| 11:34.11 | karsten | Rothgar: BMC? |
| 11:34.20 | Rothgar | Baseboard Management Controller |
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| 11:34.27 | karsten | Rothgar: Whose? |
| 11:34.35 | karsten | Rothgar: They're *all* over the map. |
| 11:34.56 | Rothgar | Yeah well aren't they all supposed to be standard? |
| 11:34.57 | phorce1 | Rothgar: the boards along the bottom of walls need managing? |
| 11:35.06 | voicu | there is the section device where i can define a busid for it. how can i differentiate between the first output and the second one of the card? |
| 11:35.09 | Rothgar | I need to remotely flash a BIOS |
| 11:35.11 | karsten | phorce1: You'd be shocked ;-) |
| 11:35.16 | karsten | Rothgar: Not hardly. |
| 11:35.23 | voicu | in kubuntu there was "pci:1:0:0" for both... |
| 11:35.29 | Rothgar | It's a Zircon Qlogic |
| 11:35.43 | karsten | voicu: man XF86Config-4 |
| 11:35.45 | Rothgar | Qlogic Zircon UL Baseboard Management Controller |
| 11:35.54 | karsten | voicu: ... it's covered. Or google 'multi-head x11' |
| 11:35.59 | voicu | karsten: read it like 20 times |
| 11:36.14 | phorce1 | Rothgar: I'd pay the money to have a tech sitting there for a bios flash. |
| 11:36.29 | karsten | voicu: I've configured this once, over a year ago, sorry, rusty... |
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| 11:36.51 | voicu | do you have a matrox dualhead? |
| 11:36.53 | Rothgar | phorce1: I need to remotely flash a server beside me? |
| 11:37.00 | karsten | voicu: Nope. |
| 11:37.06 | Rothgar | It doesn't like the dual-core CPU I am using, needs a flash |
| 11:37.09 | karsten | voicu: IIRC the ServerLayout section may be what you want. |
| 11:37.42 | karsten | Rothgar: ... and best bet is to read the MFR's manual on what the BMC's capabilities are. How are you accessing BMC? Serial, Cat5, ?? |
| 11:37.59 | Rothgar | Well it would be Cat5 |
| 11:38.04 | voicu | that one only gives the position of the screens relative to each other. i need something that says device 1 means card 1, output 1, and so on |
| 11:38.12 | Rothgar | I don't know how to use it and the Manufacturer doesn't give details |
| 11:38.12 | karsten | Rothgar: Um. Why would you need to use the BMC to flash the BIOS? |
| 11:38.13 | phorce1 | Rothgar: OH! Remotely flash as in no local media on that box |
| 11:38.22 | Rothgar | It just states "remote flash" |
| 11:38.35 | karsten | Rothgar: Isn't there a floppy drive and a floppy-based flash utility? |
| 11:38.48 | karsten | Rothgar: Alternatively, booting from a USB stick may well turn the trick. |
| 11:38.55 | Rothgar | karsten: You can't enter the BIOS with the dual-core CPU is doesn't like it |
| 11:39.08 | Rothgar | No FDD |
| 11:39.12 | karsten | Rothgar: Sucks to be you ;-) |
| 11:39.16 | Rothgar | lol |
| 11:39.27 | Rothgar | I just need to figure out how to use the BMC |
| 11:39.40 | phorce1 | karsten: you'd be amazed at how many machines come with no floppy now. I usually create boot CD's for flashing now. |
| 11:39.47 | karsten | Rothgar: Any context help termed into it? |
| 11:39.58 | karsten | phorce1: Most boxen I've seen treat a USB as floppy at boot, more or less. |
| 11:41.05 | Rothgar | Yeah I know |
| 11:41.14 | Rothgar | It just doesn't like the CPU at all lol |
| 11:41.24 | karsten | Rothgar: Take it out! |
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| 11:41.37 | karsten | Rothgar: Hrm. Seriously: can you access the BIOS with the CPU out? |
| 11:41.55 | nvz | Malagmyr: back yet ? :P |
| 11:42.03 | phorce1 | Rothgar: swap in a single core -- flash -- swap back. Pain in the rear but... |
| 11:42.03 | Malagmyr | nvz. yep |
| 11:42.15 | nvz | Malagmyr: bugs.debian.org/385137 |
| 11:42.45 | Rothgar | Yeah getting a single core is the problem |
| 11:42.54 | Malagmyr | nvz: thanks |
| 11:42.55 | Rothgar | karsten: Nope |
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| 11:43.26 | Bushmills | depends on the definition of "access" |
| 11:43.31 | karsten | Rothgar: What happens when you try to go into BIOS setup? |
| 11:43.37 | phorce1 | Rothgar: got a model number on the QLogic? |
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| 11:44.30 | Bushmills | "access" with a screw driver, prying out the flash chip, is possible ... |
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| 11:45.48 | Bushmills | karsten, the same as when you try to run linux without CPU |
| 11:45.59 | karsten | Bushmills: ?? |
| 11:46.04 | phorce1 | Rothgar: actually, what model/brand computer is it in since it's just "another chip on the MB"? |
| 11:46.55 | Dan01 | hi guys |
| 11:47.15 | Dan01 | whats the best way about adding a new ide hdd to a linux system with no gui? |
| 11:47.25 | Dan01 | to get it formatted etc |
| 11:47.37 | karsten | Dan01: Install screen |
| 11:47.54 | karsten | Dan01: Then run your commands from console. No GUI required. |
| 11:47.57 | Bushmills | Dan01: gui is quite unnecessary for installing hard disks |
| 11:48.02 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 11:48.08 | Dan01 | no need to install screen? |
| 11:48.09 | Bushmills | Dan01: fdisk |
| 11:48.15 | Dan01 | ok |
| 11:48.20 | Bushmills | but you got fdisk already |
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| 11:48.24 | karsten | Dan01: ... screen is optional, but it lets you run multiple shells and toggle between them. |
| 11:48.33 | Dan01 | ok |
| 11:48.36 | karsten | Dan01: Very useful utility. |
| 11:48.39 | karsten | !screen |
| 11:48.39 | dpkg | well, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
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| 11:48.43 | Dan01 | i know what it is dude |
| 11:48.50 | Dan01 | i just it for game servers |
| 11:48.54 | Dan01 | use* |
| 11:49.06 | Bushmills | Dan01: and you want to create a file system. have the tool for that ready too |
| 11:49.18 | karsten | Dan01: Like I forgot to read your mind first before telling you, dude. |
| 11:49.21 | Dan01 | its just a secondary hdd |
| 11:49.31 | Dan01 | hehe yeah sorry karsten |
| 11:49.45 | karsten | Dan01: Install disk. fdisk, mke2fs, cp / tar / rsync. Modify /etc/fstab. |
| 11:49.53 | Dan01 | what i should of have said is i didn't think about toggleing between shells |
| 11:49.59 | karsten | Dan01: NP. |
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| 11:50.00 | Dan01 | ok |
| 11:50.05 | Dan01 | thanks guys |
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| 11:50.15 | Dan01 | what sort of fs will it have on it anyway? |
| 11:50.26 | karsten | Dan01: There's a "adding a disk" howto out there somewhere. |
| 11:50.26 | Dan01 | just the / ? |
| 11:50.30 | Dan01 | ok |
| 11:50.39 | Dan01 | will read that and do what you guys have said here |
| 11:50.40 | karsten | Dan01: Depends what you want to mount the disk as. |
| 11:50.51 | karsten | Dan01: Is this a replacement drive or supplemental? |
| 11:50.56 | Dan01 | extra |
| 11:51.02 | Dan01 | file storage |
| 11:51.07 | Dan01 | to be used with samba |
| 11:51.10 | karsten | I'd just park /home there. |
| 11:51.31 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 11:51.31 | Dan01 | ok |
| 11:51.57 | karsten | Dan01: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html |
| 11:52.03 | Dan01 | thanks |
| 11:52.33 | karsten | Dan01: That's a little stale but the overall procedure's pretty sane. |
| 11:52.40 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 11:52.46 | Dan01 | looks ok |
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| 11:53.17 | Dan01 | so bios picks it up and its just a matter of doing fdisk /dev/hda1 for example |
| 11:53.23 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 11:53.26 | Dan01 | ok |
| 11:53.27 | Dan01 | cool |
| 11:53.29 | karsten | No. |
| 11:53.33 | karsten | fdisk /dev/hda |
| 11:53.43 | karsten | hda1 == a partition. Won't exist yet. |
| 11:53.46 | Dan01 | but that would be my existing hdd? |
| 11:53.50 | karsten | Generally you don't partition partitions. |
| 11:53.52 | Dan01 | ah ok |
| 11:53.54 | karsten | Well, then don't do that. |
| 11:54.03 | karsten | You know master/slave primary/secondary? |
| 11:54.06 | nvz | I'm glad my chip-o-matic is back.. I love this thing :P |
| 11:54.08 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 11:54.17 | karsten | hda hdb hdc hdd == 1M 1S 2M 2S |
| 11:54.25 | Dan01 | ah ok |
| 11:54.55 | karsten | So it's likely oging to be hdb (1S) or hdd (2S). hdc is generally your CDROM drive. Could be efgh etc. if you've got SATA and multiple controllers. |
| 11:55.08 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 11:55.21 | Dan01 | ok so it looks pretty straight forward |
| 11:55.24 | blondie | sata tends to be sda/b/c/d rather than hda/b/c/d |
| 11:55.26 | karsten | Don't format your existing drive. Confirm what's what before doing anythign stupid. |
| 11:55.36 | Dan01 | will do :> |
| 11:55.42 | karsten | blondie: kernel dependent. 2.4 yes, 2.6, no. |
| 11:55.49 | blondie | karsten: on 2.6 |
| 11:55.55 | Dan01 | its and ide drive |
| 11:55.58 | karsten | blondie: Hrm. or vice-versa ;-) |
| 11:55.59 | Dan01 | mobo hasn't got sata |
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| 11:56.50 | karsten | Dan01: An exorcised mobo! |
| 11:57.00 | Dan01 | heh |
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| 11:57.13 | Dan01 | actually it prolly has |
| 11:57.28 | Dan01 | its only a couple of years old |
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| 11:59.47 | nvz | blondie: why is it that SATA would use the scsi disk module when its technically IDE |
| 12:00.15 | blondie | nvz: I don't know |
| 12:00.19 | karsten | nvz: scsi emulation |
| 12:00.38 | karsten | nvz: It's what all the cool kids are doing now. |
| 12:00.58 | karsten | nvz: Was for a while the principle CDR mode as well. cdrom-scsi or similar. |
| 12:01.22 | Empiric | karsten how i check my LAB card |
| 12:01.29 | Empiric | though its working |
| 12:01.41 | Empiric | but how i know its good |
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| 12:02.26 | IndyBC | What is the difference between the packages smtpd and sendmail ? |
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| 12:02.41 | karsten | IndyBC: Read the descriptions |
| 12:02.42 | IndyBC | Aren't they both mail servers? |
| 12:03.07 | karsten | IndyBC: Aren't vi and emacs both editors? |
| 12:03.23 | karsten | IndyBC: Aren't WinXP and Linux both operating systems? |
| 12:03.33 | IndyBC | :P |
| 12:03.34 | karsten | IndyBC: Aren't male and female both genders? |
| 12:03.42 | IndyBC | ok :) |
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| 12:05.11 | msoul | I installed Debian Beta 3 etch yesterday and still can't start normally |
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| 12:05.18 | neenaoffline | I installed metacity via apt-get on debian etch and all I get now is a plain white screen when I login using metacity as my WM ? what is wrong ? |
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| 12:05.24 | msoul | I mean, I see the X and lightbeige background and that is that |
| 12:05.29 | msoul | freeze |
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| 12:05.56 | neenaoffline | msoul, you get the mouse ? does the cursor move ? |
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| 12:06.14 | msoul | neenaoffline: yeah |
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| 12:06.26 | lodder | Problem i installed fortune mod but when i login i don't see it appear i yust installed it pls help |
| 12:06.48 | karsten | msoul: Boot single-user and dispble your X display manager. |
| 12:06.54 | karsten | disable. |
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| 12:07.02 | neenaoffline | msoul, try "sudo apt-get install wm2" |
| 12:07.09 | karsten | msoul: man update-rc.d |
| 12:07.20 | karsten | msoul: ... and likely one of : gdm kdm wdm xdm |
| 12:07.24 | msoul | k 1 second |
| 12:08.03 | karsten | msoul: ... or try <ctrl><alt><F1> to get to a console |
| 12:08.04 | neenaoffline | wdm is light and good , powerful , AFAIK |
| 12:08.13 | Trewas | nvz: there was recently some discussion on lkml why all kinds of disks are now /dev/sd* (scsi-disks) instead of their "own" types |
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| 12:08.17 | msoul | karsten: yeah |
| 12:08.20 | enouf | nvz: for the MMC set that SCSI uses, and actually it's a serial interface, 8/10b encoded (much closer to firewire and scsi), rather than wide and slow like PATA - but many Mobo manu and HDD manu have munged the transition with all sorts of funky Bus and Controller adapters |
| 12:08.23 | msoul | karsten: I did install xdm yesterday |
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| 12:08.50 | karsten | msoul: Likely issues with that. Disable or drop to con and resolve |
| 12:08.59 | neenaoffline | I installed metacity via apt-get on debian etch and all I get now is a plain white screen when I login using metacity as my WM ? what is wrong ? |
| 12:09.01 | msoul | okie lemme try |
| 12:09.04 | lodder | Problem i installed fortune mod but when i login i don't see it appear i yust installed it? pls help |
| 12:09.20 | Trewas | nvz: and I think the reason is mostly that SATA can share a large part of the scsi-stack even if the protocol is different -> no code duplication needed when SATA is used through scsi-stack |
| 12:09.48 | Trewas | even PATA will be /dev/sd* soon, btw |
| 12:10.17 | karsten | neenaoffline: GNOME have perfected their Simple User Interface. |
| 12:10.43 | neenaoffline | karsten, what do you mean ? |
| 12:11.01 | karsten | neenaoffline: nothing. |
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| 12:11.07 | berzerka | how can i check whether my system has got an (mpu401-compatible) midi-controller? lspci? |
| 12:11.08 | karsten | neenaoffline: ... so to speek |
| 12:11.10 | neenaoffline | karsten, ??? |
| 12:11.18 | karsten | berzerka: yes |
| 12:11.27 | karsten | neenaoffline: ignore me |
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| 12:11.42 | neenaoffline | karsten, I don't have GNOME , only metacity :) |
| 12:11.45 | msoul | karsten: in /etc/init.d/xdm which line or what exactly should I do |
| 12:11.53 | karsten | berzerka: ... or crack the case and have a look |
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| 12:11.58 | neenaoffline | karsten, ah , now i get it |
| 12:12.16 | karsten | msoul: update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 12:12.21 | neenaoffline | msoul, xdm does not detect WM's by default ? |
| 12:12.23 | karsten | msoul: man update-rc.d to restore. |
| 12:12.32 | msoul | neenaoffline: so it seems |
| 12:12.36 | karsten | neenaoffline: ;-) |
| 12:12.39 | msoul | karsten: I will |
| 12:12.54 | neenaoffline | msoul, wdm does , and it's light .... try it :-D |
| 12:13.04 | berzerka | if my notebook (whose case i won't crack open certainly) had a midi controller, would this 'definitely' show up in lspci output? |
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| 12:13.55 | msoul | neenaoffline: I just did what karsten suggested update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 12:14.14 | lodder | Could anybody help me resolve this: i yust installed fortune-mod but when i login with a new session on the cli i don't get a fortune. what did or didn't do and how can i get the messege on every login ? |
| 12:14.14 | msoul | guess I'll apt+get install wdm |
| 12:14.28 | msoul | apt-get even |
| 12:14.29 | neenaoffline | karsten, what does that do ? |
| 12:14.44 | SlayerXP | lodder: add it to your login script |
| 12:14.55 | berzerka | lodder: add a line fortune -a to your (probably) bash_profile. |
| 12:15.00 | lodder | SlayerXP: how can i do that |
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| 12:15.07 | SlayerXP | lodder: with a text editor. |
| 12:15.20 | lodder | SlayerXP: but i need it for every account |
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| 12:15.32 | berzerka | lodder, then /etc/profile |
| 12:15.37 | lodder | k |
| 12:16.11 | karsten | msoul: That should keep X from firing up by itself and (possibly) keeping you from viewing console. If X starts, can you still switch to con and see anything or is your display fully hosed? |
| 12:16.26 | berzerka | lodder, what i did was echo "" ; fortune -a ; echo "" ; to separate the output a bit from other login messages. |
| 12:16.40 | lodder | berzerka: k |
| 12:16.51 | msoul | karsten: after what you suggested me I logged in in a console startx and works fine |
| 12:16.59 | karsten | berzerka: quotes unnecessary. echo will output a newline with no args. |
| 12:17.15 | msoul | but I kind of wanted to have it without me typing startx everytime I want to use the laptop |
| 12:17.31 | neenaoffline | msoul, try WDM !! ?? |
| 12:17.36 | karsten | msoul: I've got an issue (thinkpad T21) where if I start X immediately on boot, display is borked, if I log in to console, *then* start X, it's ok. |
| 12:17.46 | karsten | msoul: Worse fates. |
| 12:17.54 | msoul | neenaoffline: I'll show you what I got moment please :-) |
| 12:18.07 | msoul | karsten: exactly |
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| 12:18.16 | neenaoffline | msoul, okay :) |
| 12:18.18 | msoul | karsten: so there is nothing to solve this problem? |
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| 12:18.30 | karsten | msoul: Nothing I've found yet that works. |
| 12:18.42 | Techdeck | Hello, what could be the reason I would not have permission to delete a file as root? the partition is NOT mounted as read only and it's not NTFS |
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| 12:18.45 | Techdeck | what else can it be? |
| 12:18.48 | neenaoffline | karsten, can't you add it to the bash profile ? |
| 12:18.51 | karsten | msoul: I'm suspecting a kernel / X interaction. Upgraded kernel, haven't tried changing config yet. |
| 12:18.54 | karsten | neenaoffline: ? |
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| 12:19.04 | neenaoffline | wait that would do startx everytim e :-P |
| 12:19.12 | karsten | Techdeck: Local or remote? |
| 12:19.19 | msoul | that's sad actually |
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| 12:19.23 | Techdeck | karsten, the box itself is remote |
| 12:19.26 | karsten | Techdeck: lsattr. Possibly filesystem corruption. |
| 12:19.33 | karsten | Techdeck: Local or remote filesystem relative to the box? |
| 12:19.35 | Techdeck | karsten, could it be someone changed it on purpose? |
| 12:19.39 | Techdeck | local filesystem |
| 12:19.48 | karsten | Techdeck: SMB/CIFS and NFS generally quash root. |
| 12:19.55 | Techdeck | yeah well it's ext3 |
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| 12:20.07 | karsten | Techdeck: How are you confirming FS is writeable? |
| 12:20.14 | Techdeck | karsten, I can write to other files |
| 12:20.17 | Techdeck | everything except that file |
| 12:20.20 | karsten | Techdeck: cat /proc/mounts. Don't rely on 'mount' output reading /etc/mtab. |
| 12:20.24 | Techdeck | the file I can't write to is /etc/sudoers |
| 12:20.24 | karsten | OK, that works for me ;-) |
| 12:20.26 | msoul | heh, now I can't get it to work |
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| 12:20.31 | neenaoffline | is there a good DNS for debian ? |
| 12:20.33 | msoul | no connection at all |
| 12:20.38 | karsten | neenaoffline: bind9 |
| 12:20.43 | cydork | neenaoffline: bind |
| 12:20.51 | Techdeck | karsten, I will once that box is online again, but could it be someone changed this on purpose? |
| 12:20.54 | Techdeck | if so, how do I change it back? |
| 12:21.10 | Techdeck | the lsattr thing seems like the most logical answer |
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| 12:21.14 | Techdeck | I don't think the file system is corrupted |
| 12:21.14 | cydork | neenaoffline: and that the best . but why do you need it? |
| 12:21.20 | karsten | Techdeck: Possibly. sudoers would be a good rootkit target |
| 12:21.26 | neenaoffline | there is no BIND in repos ? |
| 12:21.28 | karsten | Techdeck: What's in there? |
| 12:21.37 | neenaoffline | cydork, stupid reason ...... |
| 12:21.39 | Techdeck | karsten, in the sudoers file? or in that box? |
| 12:21.50 | karsten | Techdeck: sudoers. Might want a copy of it ;-) |
| 12:21.57 | neenaoffline | there is BIND in repos :) |
| 12:21.59 | karsten | Techdeck: also check out 'chkrootkit' |
| 12:22.00 | cydork | neenaoffline: i can see that. coz if you dont know bind then you should not use it |
| 12:22.08 | cydork | !info bind9 |
| 12:22.09 | Techdeck | karsten, hehe, well right now the box is down, and even if it was up, I wouldn't be able to read that file |
| 12:22.12 | dpkg | bind9: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 708 kB |
| 12:22.13 | Techdeck | I just don't have permissions to do anything with it |
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| 12:22.17 | Techdeck | not delete, not read, nada :\ |
| 12:22.32 | Techdeck | same goes for 'visudo' |
| 12:22.43 | karsten | Techdeck: Interesting. As I said, you want to check attributes. Could be filesystem damage. I'm a bit suspicious, it's a sensitive file. |
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| 12:22.56 | karsten | Techdeck: That (visudo) just runs as root anyway. |
| 12:22.56 | Techdeck | karsten, it does sound like a rootkit |
| 12:23.07 | karsten | Techdeck: It's a possibility you'll want to evaluate. |
| 12:23.07 | Techdeck | okay thanks man, I'll check it once the box is back online |
| 12:23.12 | Techdeck | I will |
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| 12:23.18 | Techdeck | thanks |
| 12:23.22 | karsten | Techdeck: Not a certainty. But enough to raise flags. NP. |
| 12:23.28 | neenaoffline | cydork, hmmm |
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| 12:25.06 | berzerka | karsten, my board 'has' a midi controller, but lspci outputs nothing midi-specific. just FYI. |
| 12:25.16 | karsten | !tell berzerka about paster |
| 12:25.19 | karsten | berzerka: Paste |
| 12:25.26 | berzerka | ? |
| 12:25.35 | karsten | berzerka: Read what the bot (dpkg) told you. |
| 12:25.57 | berzerka | karsten, yes, thanks, i have nothing to paste.. |
| 12:26.06 | karsten | berzerka: lspci output |
| 12:26.12 | berzerka | well okay.. |
| 12:26.20 | karsten | amee2k: freenode starts getting annoyed /w nick changes after a bit, FYI. |
| 12:26.31 | berzerka | karsten, there is only the sound chip listed. |
| 12:26.44 | karsten | berzerka: Whatever |
| 12:27.11 | yang | is there a channel/project dedicated to Mobile Phones and interenet over it? |
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| 12:27.18 | amee2k | hehe |
| 12:27.20 | berzerka | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3578 |
| 12:27.20 | amee2k | yeah |
| 12:27.37 | karsten | yang: /msg chanserv list *pattern* |
| 12:28.18 | neenaoffline | I installed metacity via apt-get on debian etch and all I get now is a plain white screen when I login using metacity as my WM ? what is wrong ? |
| 12:28.24 | karsten | berzerka: Might want to get the specs on that 82801FB. See if it's got integrated midi. |
| 12:28.38 | karsten | !tell neenaoffline about repeat |
| 12:29.13 | karsten | neenaoffline: You're not running a window manager, you're not running nautilus, your X display is hosed, or everything's copacetic but you're misinterpreting results. |
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| 12:29.21 | karsten | neenaoffline: You sorta have to work that out. |
| 12:29.55 | Dan01 | just found a program called cutter |
| 12:29.56 | neenaoffline | karsten, I need nautilus for using Metacity ? |
| 12:30.04 | Dan01 | it stop tcp connections to ip/ports |
| 12:30.10 | Dan01 | stops* |
| 12:30.26 | karsten | neenaoffline: metacity is a very minimal window manager. I don't run it. I think much of the UI is w/in Nautilus, not sure. |
| 12:30.36 | neenaoffline | locus9 |
| 12:30.39 | xored | where is the maximum size of the email-acount defined ? |
| 12:30.54 | neenaoffline | ah nothing sorry .... |
| 12:30.58 | karsten | Dan01: sounds like it sends FIN packets. |
| 12:31.07 | karsten | xored: disk quotas. |
| 12:31.15 | karsten | xored: not sure of mail-specific management. |
| 12:31.27 | xored | karsten: there is such a value |
| 12:31.33 | xored | in the email configurations |
| 12:31.36 | xored | ut i forgeót where :/ |
| 12:31.45 | xored | sorry for the typos |
| 12:31.57 | Trewas | neenaoffline: metacity is meant to be run with the rest of the gnome, it will probably work without gnome but I don't know why anyone would use it alone instead of some more "complete" WM |
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| 12:32.31 | neenaoffline | Trewas, because I have only 64 MB of RAM ? :) |
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| 12:33.09 | karsten | neenaoffline: fluxbox, icewm, twm, fvwm, windowmaker (maybe). |
| 12:33.10 | karsten | neenaoffline: ... or ion or pwm. |
| 12:33.10 | karsten | neenaoffline: Try any of the above. |
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| 12:33.31 | neenaoffline | I am using fluxbox WM2 and enlightenment right now :) |
| 12:33.40 | karsten | neenaoffline: ...and my original glib statement is actually pretty close to the mark. GNOME's minimal interface. |
| 12:33.50 | karsten | neenaoffline: enlightment isn't what I'd consider light. |
| 12:33.52 | Trewas | neenaoffline: there are many other choices, and for me metacity is currently using 15MB... quite much for a WM which is not doing very much :) |
| 12:34.20 | neenaoffline | karsten, enlightenment is pretty fast though ... |
| 12:34.44 | karsten | neenaoffline: My experience is the chrome slows things down. May be changing. |
| 12:35.08 | karsten | neenaoffline: However, if you want to dismiss my decade+ of experience with X window managers, no skin off my nose. |
| 12:35.53 | neenaoffline | karsten, no , I was just saying that enlightenment works pretty fast on my computer ... |
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| 12:36.09 | karsten | neenaoffline: compared to... ? |
| 12:36.31 | neenaoffline | karsten, It works as fast as fluxbox , e16 ... |
| 12:36.37 | karsten | OK. |
| 12:36.56 | karsten | Bedtime. |
| 12:37.00 | WaLveRine | guys, wich it's the best for and ftp server...pure-ftpd or proftpd |
| 12:37.00 | karsten | Long past actually. |
| 12:37.01 | WaLveRine | ? |
| 12:37.07 | karsten | WaLveRine: scp ;-) |
| 12:37.18 | Trewas | enlightenment was fine with the first computer I ran linux on ages ago (200mhz pentium mmx with 64mb memory), and enlightenment has not been updated since ;) |
| 12:37.26 | Dan01 | back |
| 12:37.36 | WaLveRine | uhm ok |
| 12:37.45 | Dan01 | trewas my linux router is the same as that |
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| 12:38.24 | WaLveRine | karsten: scp is it the name of the program? |
| 12:38.33 | Trewas | Dan01: I was also using that computer as a router until a couple of years ago |
| 12:38.38 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 12:38.50 | Dan01 | 200mhz is fine for a cable/adsl connection |
| 12:38.55 | WaLveRine | karsten: is it scp the name of the program? |
| 12:39.00 | Dan01 | winscp? |
| 12:39.14 | WaLveRine | dunno |
| 12:39.15 | Dan01 | i think hes talking about that.. |
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| 12:39.32 | Dan01 | its like a gui program you use to connection via ssh to your box |
| 12:39.38 | Dan01 | pretty good i use it all the time |
| 12:39.52 | neenaoffline | WaLveRine, SCP is a way of getting files via SSH :) |
| 12:39.54 | Dan01 | connect* |
| 12:39.57 | WaLveRine | ah ok |
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| 12:40.00 | WaLveRine | instead |
| 12:40.05 | WaLveRine | for an ftp server ..? |
| 12:40.08 | neenaoffline | "man scp" ? |
| 12:40.09 | Dan01 | vsftpd |
| 12:40.15 | ootput | Trewas: back when nIx (on E) was still popular? :) |
| 12:40.16 | Dan01 | for ftp server |
| 12:40.17 | WaLveRine | i was reading about pure-ftpd or proftpd |
| 12:40.20 | neenaoffline | WaLveRine, I think he was joking about that |
| 12:40.21 | Dan01 | however scp will be better |
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| 12:40.39 | WaLveRine | ah, ok :P it isn't too much fun :P |
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| 12:43.18 | xored | karsten: how to check the quota set for the pop3 accounts ? mailbox_size_limit = 0 i have this in my postfix config, so this should not be the problem, its more likely the qouta i guess |
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| 12:44.18 | e-type | hi all |
| 12:44.39 | e-type | can apt-get clean only cache files of packages that are not installed? |
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| 12:45.06 | grmbl | hello |
| 12:45.44 | neenaoffline | grmbl, hello ? |
| 12:45.52 | grmbl | i have a question about slapd and pam_ldap packages. is it possible to use tls/ssl? |
| 12:45.58 | grmbl | debian sarge |
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| 12:46.30 | ootput | e-type: consider the APT::Clean-Installed configuration option |
| 12:46.44 | ootput | "" |
| 12:47.01 | grmbl | there are obviously some difficulties about the ssl libraries |
| 12:47.26 | grmbl | anyone? |
| 12:47.43 | e-type | ootput: thx a lot, first time I saw the apt.conf.d folder ;) |
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| 12:48.59 | Trewas | ootput: isn't it still popular? :) |
| 12:54.05 | neenaoffline | How do I change the domain name ? |
| 12:54.18 | ofer0 | neenaoffline, which domain name? |
| 12:55.04 | neenaoffline | ofer0, my computer domain name |
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| 12:55.13 | neenaoffline | host@domain ? |
| 12:55.36 | ofer0 | neenaoffline, oh. "hostname <NEWHOST>", then edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 12:56.02 | neenaoffline | ofer0, that's not what I want |
| 12:56.22 | ofer0 | okay so I misunderstood you |
| 12:56.49 | ofer0 | but I think you need /etc/hosts. |
| 12:56.55 | ofer0 | change the line to something like that: |
| 12:57.06 | ofer0 | 127.0.0.1 domain.com localhost <HOSTNAME> |
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| 12:57.26 | Revoltoso | hi.. |
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| 12:57.51 | Revoltoso | someone know how can i download a real audio file on my disk.. and see the movie again without internet. |
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| 13:12.57 | marsje | hi! I thought I used to have the pine mailreader installed, before I installed mutt. But I don't like mutt, so I'd like to go back to pine, but I cannot find... |
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| 13:14.08 | marsje | or oes have debian a different default (console) email client other than pine that I don't know about? |
| 13:14.09 | cydork | marsje: you have to compile pine. for some issues pine is not available as binary package. you can add deb-src to your sources.list |
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| 13:14.46 | neenaoffline | cydork, I don't need the DNS server anymore :) , found another way out , editing the hosts file :) |
| 13:15.05 | marsje | cydork: what line do I add exactly to my sources.list? |
| 13:15.09 | ofer0 | neenaoffline, wasn't it what I told you 20 minutes ago? |
| 13:15.19 | ootput | marsje: I'm not sure if this guide is still applicable: http://imux.net/howtopineondebian.html |
| 13:15.35 | rascal | Hello is anyone aware of a tool for linux that can activley monitor services on your network, e.g. you can add it to cron and it will check your list of services, to see if they are up or down and it will email u if services go down? e.g if there was a crash on the network? |
| 13:15.37 | cydork | neenaoffline: hehe i thought so :) |
| 13:16.19 | marsje | still there, cydork |
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| 13:16.28 | ootput | marsje: if you're comfortable with emacs, there are quite a few mailclients to choose from |
| 13:16.34 | cydork | marsje: there is a line which start with deb, you just have to add similar line with deb-src replacing deb |
| 13:16.34 | marsje | the weird thing is that I thought I already had pine before mutt |
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| 13:16.59 | marsje | I'm trying to stay away from emacs... |
| 13:17.08 | neenaoffline | ofer0, yeah , but I needed it for a diff reason :) |
| 13:17.15 | ootput | marsje: that's fine.. nobody's perfect |
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| 13:17.35 | neenaoffline | ofer0, I could change domain there too , thanks :) , didn't expect to find it there ") |
| 13:17.59 | ootput | neenaoffline: they're just aliases |
| 13:18.19 | kimo | Hi, can anyone recommend an antispam gateway (with easy web interface) ? |
| 13:18.34 | neenaoffline | ootput, yeah , I understood |
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| 13:19.19 | ootput | bbiai |
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| 13:27.34 | pm | hi, what are the advantages of debian over ubuntu? |
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| 13:29.33 | karsten | pm: In an ascibetical sort, debian preceeds Ubuntu. |
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| 13:30.06 | raclure | lol |
| 13:30.35 | linu2 | a question, I am doing a chroot shell |
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| 13:31.06 | linu2 | I have a little issue follwing the follwing tutorial: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?forumid=59&threadid=250875 |
| 13:31.56 | linu2 | when trying: ssh -l luser localhost ____ I get: Sorry, user luser is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/chroot /home/luser /bin/su luser' as root on |
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| 13:32.01 | linu2 | thanks :) |
| 13:32.36 | raclure | has someone tried the last bacula packages for etch ? |
| 13:32.42 | raclure | i'm a bit stuck on it :p |
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| 13:36.35 | bowman | heya. would anyone be using a viewsonic vx2025wm by any chance? |
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| 13:40.07 | abrotman | why? |
| 13:41.08 | bowman | I'm not getting the thinigie configured to use its native resolution ;) 1680x1050 |
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| 13:44.28 | linu2 | anyone who can help with chroot |
| 13:44.29 | linu2 | thanks |
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| 13:45.18 | Dibbler | How do I fix the b0rken x11-common upgrade problem anyone? |
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| 13:47.36 | kd3 | !chroot |
| 13:47.36 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 13:52.27 | raclure | 29-Aug 15:52 bacula-dir: Fatal error: Could not open Catalog "MyCatalog", database "bacula". |
| 13:52.27 | raclure | 29-Aug 15:52 bacula-dir: Fatal error: Version error for database "bacula". Wanted 9, got 0 |
| 13:52.36 | raclure | anyone knows about it ? |
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| 13:52.56 | raclure | i'm running etch |
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| 13:53.08 | linu2 | the error I get when trying to login to the chrooted account is: Sorry, user luser is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/chroot /home/luser /bin/su luser' as root on |
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| 13:53.39 | ofer0 | linu2, using which command you try to chroot? |
| 13:54.09 | linu2 | ssh -l luser localhost |
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| 13:54.18 | linu2 | also tried from remote |
| 13:55.10 | ofer0 | yeah, will, chroot can only be run as root |
| 13:55.11 | ofer0 | will=well |
| 13:55.26 | ofer0 | that's why it's in sbin |
| 13:55.39 | linu2 | this what I followed... |
| 13:55.40 | linu2 | http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?forumid=59&threadid=250875 |
| 13:55.46 | k31th | yo. im trying to configure postfix message_size_limit wat format do i need to put the size as... kb mb k or wat ? i want it to be 40mb |
| 13:55.57 | k31th | infact 25mb would do |
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| 13:56.36 | sleon|work | hi all |
| 13:57.00 | sleon|work | i have a question : is there a tutorial which explains how to convert debian unstable to utf8 ? |
| 13:57.01 | ofer0 | linu2, sorry man I don't have the time to read it now. In 3 hours I'll finish working and then I can help you, if you'll be here. |
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| 13:57.35 | linu2 | ok... basically, I added: luser ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/chroot /home/luser /bin/su - luser* to /etc/sudoers |
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| 14:00.24 | weggpod | debian etch + firmware hide something most important that i read, ? |
| 14:01.06 | weggpod | no? |
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| 14:01.36 | abrotman | Dibbler: problem ? |
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| 14:02.03 | abrotman | sleon|work: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:02.24 | w1w1t0m1 | hello, pls I know that this does not belong here but I dont have time to find another possibility. I need to speak in english with some hungarian fellow ...anybody? pls |
| 14:02.30 | k31th | abrotman: afternoon |
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| 14:02.48 | abrotman | i wish |
| 14:03.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: do you know this guy? |
| 14:04.06 | k31th | iv had a hell of a day... moved a mail server at the weekend... god damn mail is all over the place even tho i stoped sendmail on the other mailserver |
| 14:04.11 | k31th | nightmare today is |
| 14:04.13 | sleon|work | abrotman, do i need to install utf8 fonts first ? |
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| 14:07.02 | abrotman | sleon|work: try it and see .. not all apps are UTF8-happy |
| 14:07.16 | sleon|work | *shouders* |
| 14:07.21 | abrotman | shudders? |
| 14:07.26 | sleon|work | abrotman, yes |
| 14:07.34 | sleon|work | abrotman, but not server apps right ? |
| 14:07.51 | sleon|work | abrotman, all network services would work , right? |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | most stuff will work just fine ... |
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| 14:12.09 | sleon|work | abrotman, thx |
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| 14:13.09 | sleon|work | abrotman, utf8 encoding is selecting among others, but how to make it default |
| 14:13.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | sleon|work: it will ask you to choose your default if you select more than one |
| 14:13.58 | sleon|work | abrotman, oh ok |
| 14:14.09 | jetscreamer | the -data one asks that iirc but i forget |
| 14:14.16 | sleon|work | abrotman, i see, jetscreamer thx |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | like for me i choose UTF8 and ISO8559 or whatever it is .. and then it asks me to pick my default |
| 14:14.43 | jetscreamer | me too... |
| 14:14.53 | jetscreamer | -1 |
| 14:14.54 | sleon|work | i have chosen de_DE.UTF-8 as default |
| 14:15.11 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 14:15.49 | sleon|work | so thx |
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| 14:16.19 | jetscreamer | !yw |
| 14:16.19 | dpkg | yw is probably you're welcome |
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| 14:17.21 | sleon|work | hmmm |
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| 14:17.26 | tp76 | Techdeck: I think they mean "how do you access this remote filesystem". SSH? |
| 14:17.32 | tp76 | neenaoffline: BIND9? |
| 14:17.36 | sleon|work | now i get wrong symbols in place of umlauts |
| 14:17.38 | tp76 | neenaoffline: BIND is available in Debian main. |
| 14:17.39 | sleon|work | why is this so? |
| 14:17.48 | Dibbler | abrotman: yeah soz keep getting called away |
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| 14:18.10 | tp76 | neenaoffline: try Openbox or something like that. |
| 14:18.13 | sleon|work | and also my console freezes |
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| 14:18.16 | tp76 | Personally I prefer Openbox for "old" systems. Otherwise I use GNOME. |
| 14:18.17 | jetscreamer | sleon|work: i find i get the same, in ncurses, with the us version of utf-8 |
| 14:18.20 | sleon|work | and some special chars |
| 14:18.28 | tp76 | WaLveRine: I like vsftpd. |
| 14:18.32 | tp76 | karsten: ITYM sftp ;-) |
| 14:18.38 | sleon|work | df -h freezes my console now |
| 14:18.38 | tp76 | WaLveRine: http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ |
| 14:18.44 | tp76 | WaLveRine: yes. scp is part of OpenSSH. |
| 14:18.46 | tp76 | scp is a GUI program? *gosh* |
| 14:18.49 | sleon|work | or dpkg -l |
| 14:18.50 | sleon|work | hmm |
| 14:18.52 | tp76 | WaLveRine: again, vsftpd. |
| 14:18.55 | sleon|work | ideas ? |
| 14:18.57 | jetscreamer | sleon|work: i have no idea how to fix it ji just make the iso8995-1 the default or whatever the # is |
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| 14:19.08 | tp76 | apt-get clean clears out the local repository of retrived packages. Try `man 8 apt-get'. |
| 14:19.11 | sleon|work | jetscreamer, ok |
| 14:19.21 | jetscreamer | that does fix it though |
| 14:19.31 | jetscreamer | just not right |
| 14:19.33 | sleon|work | sure, but then it is not utf8 per default :=) |
| 14:19.38 | jetscreamer | err... for theutf8 |
| 14:19.41 | jetscreamer | right |
| 14:19.52 | tp76 | Revoltoso: xine supports this, IIRC. |
| 14:19.58 | tp76 | Revoltoso: xine http://foo.domain.tld/stream.mpg#save:/stream.mpg |
| 14:19.59 | jetscreamer | just a workaround not a fix rather |
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| 14:21.38 | tp76 | pm: none, unless you know what you're doing. |
| 14:21.50 | tp76 | You're welcome. |
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| 14:23.22 | sleon|work | Dateisystem 1K-Bl??cke Benutzt Verf??gbar Ben% Eingeh??ngt auf <-- i get this one when i see utf8 |
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| 14:23.37 | sleon|work | and normal symbols for special chars when i use standard de_DE locale |
| 14:24.14 | phorce1 | hmmm am I missing a server or something? I'm seeing a whole bunch of replies from tp76 and never seeing the people he's replying to. (I'm supposed to be sleeping anyway) |
| 14:24.24 | riot | hi.. i have problems with x-org-timings on a via c3 box with unichrome graphics. I tried booting knoppix - everything works fine there, but using debian sid, i get no usable signal - all my displays refuse to work with that |
| 14:24.38 | raclure | maybe u have him on ignore |
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| 14:24.47 | raclure | in your irc client |
| 14:25.05 | raclure | sleon|work i mean |
| 14:25.51 | sleon|work | raclure, whome ? |
| 14:25.58 | sleon|work | raclure, can you please explain what do you mean ? |
| 14:26.04 | aramdune | Hello, I can't find on debian site where to download from obsolete debian versions like potato or older. I need a debian version with 2.2 or 2.0 kernel |
| 14:26.10 | petemc | phorce1: no, you're right, he seems to be jibbering to himself |
| 14:26.22 | phorce1 | raclure: no one /ignored. And I'm seeing the replies from tp76 but none of the people he's replying to. So I would have to be /ignoring a LOT of people |
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| 14:27.13 | phorce1 | I looked over at the OFTC #debian to see if he was connected there and replies were going to OFTC and FreeNode -- but, no |
| 14:27.50 | petemc | wierdo talks to himself on irc, news at 11.. |
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| 14:28.17 | phorce1 | petemc: heh |
| 14:28.49 | aramdune | anyone knows from where I can download debian potato iso? |
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| 14:29.40 | riot | my xorg won't work. The display just goes blank and blinks around. |
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| 14:32.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: ... I don't know him, and I don't speak that language so I wouldn't be any help. |
| 14:32.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:32.52 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:33.10 | phorce1 | aramdune: looks like there's a copy of the netinst hanging around on PlanetMirror (5th link down when googling "debian potato iso" but I don't know that any apt-get mirrors will hold packages for further installation. |
| 14:33.59 | aramdune | phorce1, thanks, I've just found that too -- but there is an archive at debian.org with packages for old releases |
| 14:34.14 | aramdune | for apt-get I mean |
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| 14:35.05 | phorce1 | aramdune: I wasn't sure how potato would be handled since it was before the 'pool' directory structure |
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| 14:35.21 | aramdune | I see |
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| 14:35.40 | Storkme | is there any way to find out over the command line how much traffic a server is using on eth0 ? |
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| 14:36.41 | tarzeau | Stork: using iptraf |
| 14:36.43 | tarzeau | Storkme: |
| 14:36.48 | Stork | thanks |
| 14:36.57 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.57 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.58 | S4nD3r | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:37.01 | S4nD3r | How solve this problem ?? |
| 14:37.19 | tarzeau | S4nD3r: what did you type? |
| 14:37.20 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: that's not the complete message. |
| 14:37.21 | raclure | Storkme : vnstat |
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| 14:37.41 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:39.48 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: the lines above that might be more relevant, so paste the whole output into a pastebin first (/msg dpkg paster). btw, are you using any unofficial sources? |
| 14:40.04 | S4nD3r | No |
| 14:40.16 | S4nD3r | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 14:40.17 | S4nD3r | deb ftp://linorg.usp.br/debian/ stable main |
| 14:40.17 | S4nD3r | deb-src ftp://linorg.usp.br/debian/ stable main |
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| 14:42.11 | S4nD3r | This server is in brazil |
| 14:42.48 | riot | help! My xorg refuses to work |
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| 14:43.07 | jetscreamer | riot, that will now be the new standard for error reports |
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| 14:43.55 | riot | jetscreamer: thanks for your comment. |
| 14:43.59 | jetscreamer | np |
| 14:44.08 | jetscreamer | thanks for the flood of information |
| 14:44.11 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:44.37 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 14:44.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:45.44 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:46.43 | riot | i have problems with x-org on a via c3 box with unichrome graphics. I tried booting knoppix - everything works fine there, but using debian sid, i get no usable signal - all my displays refuse to work with that and just switch off. |
| 14:47.09 | riot | no errors on xorg's side. |
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| 14:47.50 | S4nD3r | Which is the newer stable debian ? |
| 14:47.53 | S4nD3r | Its Etich? |
| 14:48.06 | jetscreamer | not yet |
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| 14:48.21 | jetscreamer | etch will replace sarge in the stable slot when it's ready |
| 14:48.50 | jetscreamer | not up on unichrome... usual things are monitor refresh rates, or mousedev not loaded |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: eh .. your hostmask ? |
| 14:48.51 | S4nD3r | This will have openoffice.org 2 ?? |
| 14:48.55 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 14:48.55 | dpkg | hwinfo is, like, your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 14:49.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: hr = croatia, hu = hungary |
| 14:49.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: duh :) |
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| 14:49.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: because .cr wouldn't make sense! :) |
| 14:49.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: costaricans would cry |
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| 14:50.24 | chris_abyi | hi! I got some problems getting my dvd-r drive to work. It is quite normally mountable and also reads cds/dvds, but when doing "cdrecrod -scanbus", I receive the following: http://pastebin.com/778864 |
| 14:50.29 | chris_abyi | what's wrong there? |
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| 14:51.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: they could be .co! |
| 14:51.14 | abrotman | and then columbia could be .cl |
| 14:51.20 | abrotman | and chile could be .sh .. |
| 14:51.23 | abrotman | erm .. .ch |
| 14:51.27 | abrotman | and .. well .. screw the swis |
| 14:51.27 | riot | and suisse? |
| 14:51.31 | abrotman | swiss |
| 14:51.32 | riot | oh no!! |
| 14:51.40 | Talnakh | ch |
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| 14:51.47 | jhiver | hi all |
| 14:51.58 | jhiver | is there a tool i can use to mail one or more files from the command line? |
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| 14:52.09 | Talnakh | mail ? |
| 14:52.15 | jhiver | yes, email |
| 14:52.36 | chris_abyi | okay..seem to got it. (debian-faq-wiki) |
| 14:53.00 | jhiver | i want to use it in conjunction with 'scanimage' |
| 14:53.13 | jhiver | to mail somebody his mail when i receive it easily |
| 14:53.15 | Talnakh | use mutt client |
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| 14:53.40 | jhiver | would that work on the command line? ideally i'd be able to type something like |
| 14:54.04 | Talnakh | mutt is a terminal mail client |
| 14:54.08 | jhiver | mailfiles -s "your email" somebody@example.conf *.jpg |
| 14:54.37 | jelly-home | jhiver: echo | mutt -a attachment1.log -a attachment2.jpg (-a ...) recipi@e.nt |
| 14:54.52 | jelly-home | -s works too. |
| 14:55.02 | jhiver | cool, i'll give that a shot |
| 14:56.55 | riot | weeeee. I got it running!! wrong autogenerated device-section... |
| 14:57.31 | jhiver | ok it works good but it still prompts for a lot of stuff |
| 14:57.38 | jhiver | is there an option so that it doesn't? |
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| 14:59.51 | jelly-home | jhiver: there's a lot of options. It's strange that you get prompts when you provided stdin, though. |
| 15:00.06 | jhiver | ah ok it's the echo | i didn't get |
| 15:00.07 | jelly-home | jhiver: did you type echo | mutt or just mutt? |
| 15:00.12 | jhiver | i'll give it another shot |
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| 15:00.46 | jhiver | it works! |
| 15:00.46 | jhiver | brilliant :) |
| 15:00.46 | jhiver | thanks man |
| 15:00.46 | jelly-home | np |
| 15:01.07 | Talnakh | http://www.shelldorado.com/articles/mailattachments.html |
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| 15:05.42 | lhds | there is a dstro based on debian what's the exact name? knockpix? knoppix? |
| 15:06.04 | Talnakh | knoppix |
| 15:06.09 | lhds | thanx |
| 15:06.21 | Talnakh | but there are many distros based on debian |
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| 15:07.16 | jelly-home | grml :-) |
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| 15:08.44 | jumpeing | posdrafiam fszystkich Polakóf |
| 15:09.25 | chris_abyi | hmm...anyone there who could give me a hint for a program to easy burn dvd's under kernel 2.6* ? |
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| 15:10.01 | chris_abyi | with cdrecord dev=ATA:0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree ./image.iso, I just get the messagte to buy a special dvd version |
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| 15:10.19 | Talnakh | try the one coming with KDE |
| 15:10.22 | chris_abyi | dunno how to get this special device adressing to work with other programs |
| 15:10.32 | chris_abyi | Talnakh: Im using gnome, sorry |
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| 15:13.18 | cydork | chris_abyi: try dvdrecord |
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| 15:14.37 | zl2tod | chris_abyi, k3b gnomebaker if you can stand the gui |
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| 15:15.23 | chris_abyi | cydork: got a cmd for me to burn an iso image on a dvd? |
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| 15:17.05 | jelly-home | chris_abyi: man growisofs |
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| 15:17.30 | jelly-home | chris_abyi: there's a line in there: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso |
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| 15:18.16 | jelly-home | chris_abyi: package dvd+rw-tools |
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| 15:19.16 | cydork | chris_abyi: i haven't use it in days. but it's similar to cdrecord. read man :) |
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| 15:19.47 | chris_abyi | cydork: had some problems with my device, but it seems to work great with growisofs, thanks jelly-home ! |
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| 15:20.44 | dserban | where can I look for information on the dhcp vendor-identification-string |
| 15:21.24 | dserban | for a client? ie. something that shows me how a device identifies itself? |
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| 15:27.23 | Dantix | hi all, I'm trying to install debian over an Intel 7221 board issuing a sata raid, the debian installer not detects or not have the right modules to load and give me access to the disks. At the Intel website the modules are for RH. What are the modules needed for this motherboard and where can I obtain it? |
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| 15:33.11 | Dantix | hi all, I'm trying to install debian over an Intel 7221 board issuing a sata raid, the debian installer not detects or not have the right modules to load and give me access to the disks. At the Intel website the modules are for RH. What are the modules needed for this motherboard and where can I obtain it? |
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| 15:43.31 | abrotman | Dantix: which ICH revission ? |
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| 15:57.06 | RetroJ | Hi. I do not use xdm, and I want to run X.org in ssh-agent. Is there anything similar to the option "use-ssh-agent" in /etc/X11/Xsession.options for a system that does not use xdm? |
| 15:57.33 | AMB | hi. sorry for this lame question, but... how to make eth0 use a certain IP instead of using DHCP? |
| 15:57.49 | tp76 | AMB: edit /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 15:57.50 | petemc | AMB: man 5 interfaces, or /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 15:57.58 | AMB | thx |
| 15:58.20 | kspath | dolby |
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| 16:02.27 | Malagmyr | "Aug 29 17:52:00 oldschool smartd[1177]: Device: /dev/hdc, SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 127 to 130" WTF? That harddrive has its own fan in a cool box... I could make icecubes on it! |
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| 16:05.59 | cr3 | is there a way to automatically generate modelines for xorg.conf? |
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| 16:08.12 | deathwire | hey is there an archive of older debian packages somewhere? |
| 16:08.37 | abrotman | !archive |
| 16:08.37 | dpkg | well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 16:09.02 | Malagmyr | deathwire: try that snapshot link |
| 16:09.11 | abrotman | Malagmyr: i don't think tha'ts what he wants |
| 16:09.26 | abrotman | deathwire: you want really old .. like a past release .. or the lsat revision of a package? |
| 16:10.15 | deathwire | specifically I want ethereal version 10-14... every version since then has had problems that annoy me |
| 16:10.22 | deathwire | but sometimes I'm looking for other packages |
| 16:10.31 | abrotman | deathwire: then yes .. maybe snapshot |
| 16:10.44 | deathwire | oh like in squid they broke some stuff in the config file |
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| 16:13.53 | cusco | hi there dudes! |
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| 16:14.23 | cusco | how do I make cups which listens on loclhost:631 for the web admin interface... to be accessible to another pc on the network? |
| 16:14.52 | deathwire | oh also, is there a way I can mask packages from being upgraded when I do an "aptitude upgrade" ? |
| 16:15.43 | kspath | !pinning |
| 16:15.43 | dpkg | apt-pinning is, like, read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 16:16.57 | deathwire | ok thanks a lot guys |
| 16:17.48 | eastwood | cusco, i think only through webmin you can control from a different pc than the current 1 |
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| 16:23.00 | Dantix | abrotman: ICH6 |
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| 16:26.52 | anabain | I wonder why nvidia guys haven't made a generic installer for the last nforce drivers release... My gigabit LAN onboard device doesn't work (Asus M2N PV-VM, last bios upgraded). although it seems properly recognized (lspci) it cannot be brought up. The cable I'm using is the same I use with a realtek 1000 PCI, and this does work on the same pc, which is connected with a crossover cable to another pc (this one with a gigabit LAN) |
| 16:27.01 | Dantix | abrotman: are you there? |
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| 16:29.08 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 16:29.13 | faber3 | can i "rescan" an ide bus? |
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| 16:35.33 | Seb | how do i do recursive upload with smbclient ? |
| 16:36.02 | tp76 | You use smbfs and don't bother with smbclient? ;-) |
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| 16:36.33 | Seb | tp76: heh, well unfortunately i'm not root so I can't mount it just now |
| 16:36.38 | Seb | so my question stands :) |
| 16:36.40 | tp76 | mput seems to do what you want, though. |
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| 16:37.17 | tp76 | Or perhaps not. Oh well. `man 1 smbclient' ;-) |
| 16:37.33 | rokjan | how install, window maker? please |
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| 16:38.07 | tp76 | apt-get <window-maker-package> |
| 16:38.37 | Seb | tp76: ah yeah, "recurse ; prompt ; mput". Thx... |
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| 16:41.02 | tp76 | Just had an "interresting" experience installing Debian on an hp pavilion ze4900. Kernel oops after first reboot. Fascinating. Got it sorted out, though. Still, Debian "stable". Right. |
| 16:41.22 | abrotman | Dantix: sarge installer ? |
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| 16:41.44 | Dantix | abrotman: yes... |
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| 16:42.31 | abrotman | Dantix: no workie .. is this for a server? |
| 16:42.44 | Dantix | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:43.03 | SpComb | tp76: perhaps it had some obscure hardware that the sarge kernel didn't like... in terms of hardware support, etch or a more recent distro would be more likely to work. Sarge is stable as in the software in it has little to none bugs, but hardware support is more of a feature... |
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| 16:44.56 | tp76 | SpComb: this was 3.1 and I tried Knoppix first, to make sure this laptop at least "understood" GNU/Linux. It did. Debian oops'ed on some i810_audio module. Had to boot Knoppix again and blacklist the module in both discover and hotplug. Then it worked. |
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| 16:46.25 | tp76 | Easy for me to figure out, but try to convince some Windows user to use Debian instead. This shit isn't going to prove our point. |
| 16:46.47 | tp76 | Especially not when we claim to call it /stable/. |
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| 16:48.39 | Dantix | abrotman: do you mean I will have to change the hardware? |
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| 16:49.51 | quiet | weird... i just installed etch on a machine here at work... did the desktop and standard system.. after rebooting..gdm came up fine... i logged ina nd got gnome... all i did what upgrade to linux-image-2.6.686 kernel, rebooted.. and now x doesn't start. it says that it can't detect the mouse device... and I can probably fix it.. but i know how debian does those md5checks on the config files... so i don't want to break it. |
| 16:50.00 | quiet | dpkg-reconfigure xorg doesn't do anything either. |
| 16:50.30 | Tallu | xserver-xorg if my mind serves me right |
| 16:50.52 | Tallu | !tell quiet about xmd5 |
| 16:50.57 | tp76 | quiet: just edit XF86Config-4. |
| 16:51.14 | Tallu | oh you need the etch one though. |
| 16:51.16 | tp76 | Oh, etch. Xorg, right? |
| 16:51.27 | quiet | yes. |
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| 16:53.04 | tuv | i have a bootable iso image that i want to edit. how can i create a new iso (after modification) that is still bootable? |
| 16:53.10 | mrec | is there a public holiday today in england? |
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| 16:56.43 | zophyx | no one has yet dechipered the English calendar |
| 16:57.31 | voici | hi. i have my /etc/passwd linked to another place with ln. when adding users with useradd (from a script) the link is removed and and new passwd is created. is there a way to prevent this beaviour? |
| 16:57.44 | Eulex | tuv, unfortunately, iso9660 is a read-only file system. it's not made for editing. you'll need to re-create the image with your modifications. |
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| 16:58.50 | birdfish | How do I change the resolution of a server teminal? |
| 16:58.56 | birdfish | It's way too big of font right now |
| 16:59.05 | tuv | Eulex, i understand that. but i don't know how to make my new edited iso bootable using the same boot info on the original iso |
| 16:59.08 | voici | like i have got /etc/passwd -> /some/where/passwd after using useradd i have got a new /etc/passwd and my old /some/where/passwd without the new user |
| 16:59.20 | zophyx | wow, they arrested Warren Jeffs |
| 16:59.32 | zophyx | is Bucky still here ? |
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| 17:01.38 | Alebreez | I can't change my screen resolution? It logs me off then it back again to the previous resolution any ideas |
| 17:01.39 | k31th | can you have & in email addresses? |
| 17:02.05 | tuv | Eulex, i can copy the contents of the original iso image to a new directory, edit them, and then create my new iso. but i can't figure out how to keep the boot info |
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| 17:04.08 | PepperBob | hi all! |
| 17:04.35 | Malagmyr | Is there any way to make samba log to <sharename>.log, with one log for each share? Apparently, the stuff about %S in the documentation is not true. |
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| 17:05.33 | PepperBob | when i run lspci and it shows up hardware information - does this mean that the driver for the specific hardware is loaded? |
| 17:05.56 | PepperBob | or is it just reading out any hardware information it gets? |
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| 17:06.20 | Malagmyr | PepperBob: the latter |
| 17:06.26 | Eclipser | lsmod is better for checking if it's loaded |
| 17:06.34 | PepperBob | ah alright. |
| 17:06.39 | Eclipser | thought that can be a bit cryptic :) |
| 17:06.48 | Eulex | tuv, sorry, I dunno |
| 17:07.03 | PepperBob | debian couldn't detect the network interface. |
| 17:07.18 | PepperBob | and it seemed as if the module for this isn't on the netinstall cd. |
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| 17:07.33 | PepperBob | do other cd version contain more modules for hardware? |
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| 17:08.09 | arsenipple | can anyone point me to info about instaling deb using usb stick as boot device? deb documentation wasnt too helpful, not sure what exactly is meant to be on the stick? |
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| 17:09.33 | Storkme | . |
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| 17:14.36 | nvz | thats Elmew Fudd ah ah ah ah |
| 17:14.51 | nvz | dumb ass |
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| 17:15.32 | Malagmyr | Is there any way to make samba log to <sharename>.log, with one log for each share? Apparently, the stuff about %S in the documentation is not true. |
| 17:16.10 | nvz | Malagmyr: still not satisfied with the fact that there is a damn bug :P |
| 17:16.20 | Malagmyr | nvz: check your mail |
| 17:16.35 | Malagmyr | nvz: again someone says there's no bug. it's in the documentation :( |
| 17:16.49 | Malagmyr | nvz: but there must be some bloody way of doing it |
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| 17:17.04 | nvz | haha |
| 17:17.08 | nvz | thats funny |
| 17:17.20 | Malagmyr | nvz: putting the log settings into each share, instead of in global. something! |
| 17:17.30 | nvz | fuck I am about to refile it as a wishlist bug |
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| 17:18.45 | nvz | Malagmyr: well there is the matter of writing a script to present the logs the way you want to see them. |
| 17:19.10 | himmelstrutz_- | I wonder if there's anyone else than me that have database(mysql) problems regarding Amarok -- that runs Debian/Etch? |
| 17:19.32 | arsenipple | ooh |
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| 17:21.21 | Malagmyr | nvz: it would have to use tail or something, though, so the logs matched realtime... |
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| 17:22.12 | nvz | Malagmyr: I was thinking more like just hacking a log viewer so it showed them the way you wanted when you viewed them not actually changed them |
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| 17:22.39 | Hohlraum | how do you list pages that were installed directly rather than as a dependency? |
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| 17:23.13 | Malagmyr | nvz: I view them all the time :) got all the most important logs on a separate screen, colorized and dandy |
| 17:23.13 | nvz | Malagmyr: its a shitty situation I understand where you are comming from but it seems nobody is listening |
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| 17:23.45 | Hohlraum | er.. lemme rephrase without the typo: how do you list PACKAGES that were installed directly rather than as a dependency? |
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| 17:24.34 | arsenipple | anyone know about booting/installing frtom usb drives |
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| 17:26.22 | abrotman | where'd dantix go |
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| 17:26.45 | Malagmyr | to church? |
| 17:26.59 | ChrisW | is there a good forum for questions relating to logwatch? |
| 17:27.03 | ChrisW | an irc channel would be great... |
| 17:27.12 | zophyx | <hi> |
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| 17:30.02 | sts | hello folks |
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| 17:30.24 | sts | how can i enable the php4 xml extension under debian testing? |
| 17:31.08 | nvz | Malagmyr: I think this is obsurd that it doesnt do this. I would say from here best course of action is to have a patch sent to yank this false information from the Using Samba document and beg for the implementation of this feature |
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| 17:31.59 | nvz | its bad enough that so many things have poor or no documentation but when you well document a feature that never existed thats just rediculous |
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| 17:33.54 | nvz | I blame oreilly :P |
| 17:34.02 | nvz | for making shit up |
| 17:34.28 | nn_ | where is the actual passwd file with the incripted passwd info in it |
| 17:34.50 | nvz | I cant for the life of me understand why the string accepts the %m variable in the first place if its not going to accept the others |
| 17:35.37 | nvz | nn_: that would be encrypted and the passwords arent stored on the system in any format much less encrypted |
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| 17:36.12 | Trewas | btw where the hell does "rediculous" come from, it seems to be very common "typo" of ridiculous but I can't understand why it is mistyped so often (and this is nothing personal to nvz ;) |
| 17:36.19 | nvz | nn_: the digest of the password is stored in /etc/shadow the password itself in any form encrypted or not is only stored in the mind of the user who set it |
| 17:36.49 | nvz | Trewas: heh tomato, potato.. whatever |
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| 17:38.18 | Trewas | nvz: I am just curious, for example commonly mixed your/you're is quite understandable because they are pronounced about the same but I'd think that "rediculous" and "ridiculous" would be pronounced quite differently |
| 17:38.19 | zl2tod | getting some ugly x crashes when I use cut|copy|paste in oo2 calc ... last one made the display rotate leftwards while the system was going down for a remotely ordered reboot ... never seen that before ... when things like that happen any guarantees about where passwords may or may no be stored become a bit academic |
| 17:38.29 | Trewas | .... not that english my native language :) |
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| 17:39.18 | nvz | Trewas: yeah well there are different dialects spoken all over. I for one speak a form of english known as pittsburghese (http://www.pittsburghese.com) |
| 17:39.51 | kristalino | is it a way to scan all open ports that a firewall allows ? (i have 2 pcs on each side of the firewall, but i have no access to the firewall directly) |
| 17:40.04 | zl2tod | kristaline: nmap |
| 17:40.27 | kristalino | zl2tod, errrm. nmap what ? |
| 17:40.30 | nvz | Trewas: unless you speak some language from a country with a population of like 3 on some remote island your language has been broken down into regional dilects as well |
| 17:41.00 | zl2tod | kristalino, at a command prompt: apt-cache show nmap |
| 17:41.14 | himmelstrutz_- | is it possible to find amarok 1.4.2 for etch anywhere? |
| 17:41.29 | kristalino | zl2tod, errmm, i know nmap. But what would you do ? |
| 17:41.50 | zl2tod | nmap -sS target.host |
| 17:41.56 | kristalino | nmap the firewall ? I don't have its adress, and more, that's what i want. |
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| 17:42.28 | zl2tod | traceroute ? |
| 17:42.32 | kristalino | zl2tod, and what the target.host has nearly no services on it. And thats' not what i was asking |
| 17:42.48 | kristalino | i have this config : |
| 17:42.49 | Trewas | nvz: sure, maybe that is explained by different dialects... the only native english that I hear is what is commonly spoken in movies/tv-series, which is probably quite small part of all dialects |
| 17:43.20 | kristalino | zl2tod, [pc1] ---- internet--- [ firewall to test] ---- internet --- [ pc2] |
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| 17:44.11 | moshii | Trewas: That would be American English then |
| 17:44.11 | zl2tod | I hope the second internet is not in any alternate dimension |
| 17:44.14 | kristalino | zl2tod, and i have access to pc1 and pc2 but i'd like to know wich ports the firewall blocks, and i'd like a way to open the 10000 first ports on pc1 so then the pc2 could test. |
| 17:44.27 | kristalino | pc2 could test with nmap, zl2tod |
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| 17:44.43 | zl2tod | run iptables on the target pc and log connects --syn |
| 17:44.52 | Trewas | moshii: I guess even that can be quite different in different parts of the US |
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| 17:45.03 | nvz | Trewas: yeah take a trip around the US to major cities Pittsburgh, Queens, New Orleans, Boston.. just a trip around the east coast cities will show you so many different dilects then you move on to the mid-west St Louis, Dallas, Michigan... each city its completly different |
| 17:45.33 | nvz | I've been around and even though I speak strangly I still laugh at other people |
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| 17:45.48 | Trewas | heh |
| 17:45.48 | kristalino | zl2tod, yes, actually the config is : [pc1] ---- internet--- [ firewall to test] ----lan ---[ pc2] |
| 17:45.58 | moshii | Trewas: I'm not sure, American English, spoken at least, has a lot of the same properties of English from the Southwest of England |
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| 17:46.26 | PepperBob | fakeraid = softwareraid? |
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| 17:46.49 | moshii | Trewas: The sapce between American dialects is probably a lot less than those in England, Scotland and Wales |
| 17:46.50 | kristalino | is it a service that could open the fisrt 10000 ports ? So i could run nmap |
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| 17:47.06 | nvz | I am a real character because I was born just outside Pittsburgh but moved to Ft Worth/Grapevine area of Texas as a young child where I learned to speak northern texan then came back up here and learned pittsburghese so I speak a north-eastern dilect with a southern accent |
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| 17:48.17 | nvz | moshii: interesting.. do you slur your vowel sounds together down there? |
| 17:48.23 | nvz | and trill your consonants :P |
| 17:48.28 | zl2tod | in which case you'll need to force the interface into promiscuous mode perhaps tcpdump or ethereal or somesuch, assuming the lan is on a hub and not a switch |
| 17:49.04 | moshii | nvz: well, I'm from the southwest of england... but the native llatinos half speak in english and half spanish |
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| 17:49.40 | moshii | nvz: both with a spanish flow |
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| 17:51.08 | nvz | I really like the way people from St Louis sound, and I can stand the way they talk in Boston. "go pak da ca" is Boston lingo for "go park the car" where as there are no missing sounds in St Louis.. well the R's are a little quieter but they use a lot of extra emphasis on certain things |
| 17:51.56 | moshii | nvz: what about cockney? |
| 17:51.59 | nvz | you ever go to St Louis ask someone to say New York City. its great |
| 17:52.19 | nvz | you'll see what I mean about the emphasis |
| 17:52.25 | zl2tod | is that right (in best kiwi drawl) |
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| 17:52.44 | nvz | moshii: where is that in New Jersey? |
| 17:53.39 | Thanatermesis | anybody uses xpad' ? i have lost all my write's with the last upgrade i think |
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| 17:54.47 | jetx | it's in england isn't it |
| 17:54.53 | nvz | ah I guess its a little further east of new jersey.. in london area |
| 17:55.07 | nvz | sounded like a town in New Jersey |
| 17:55.20 | westside | anyone have any suggestions on how I can detect packetsniffing and/or shaping by my ISP? |
| 17:55.28 | nvz | I should have guessed england first though but I was close saying new-england states :P |
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| 17:55.47 | westside | I'm having some problems with BitTorrent and I've ruled out hardware and software problems |
| 17:55.54 | twobitsprite | shouldn't "ssh -X remotehost" set $DISPLAY to something on the remotehost? |
| 17:55.58 | nvz | westside: must be user error then, eh? |
| 17:56.06 | amphi | westside: that leaves PEBCAK? ;) |
| 17:56.08 | westside | nvz: heh |
| 17:56.10 | nvz | westside: replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 17:56.14 | westside | not really |
| 17:56.24 | westside | I've been using BitTorrent for 3+ years |
| 17:56.34 | westside | the problems I'm observing are new |
| 17:56.36 | nvz | that makes you expert by default |
| 17:56.48 | westside | and the consensous in the BT forum is ISP traffic shaping |
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| 17:56.54 | moshii | nvz: cockey is a london dialect |
| 17:57.09 | amphi | westside: the azureus wiki has a probably incomplete list of bt-hostile isps |
| 17:57.10 | ma3x | why I can't start ftp? |
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| 17:57.14 | nvz | moshii: yeah I figured that out when I punched it into google |
| 17:57.17 | ma3x | there is no binary of ftp |
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| 17:57.38 | ma3x | bash: ftp: command not found and ftp is installed on my pc |
| 17:57.44 | westside | amphi: mine isn't on there and my ISP denies traffic shaping but it still leaves me with now explanation |
| 17:58.05 | nvz | moshii: I could tell it was english I just thought new england states in the US first |
| 17:58.09 | westside | so back to my original question is there a way to detect traffic shaping? |
| 17:58.24 | westside | I do have multiple linux hosts I can use on different networks |
| 17:58.25 | amphi | westside: what problems do you have? just slow downloads? |
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| 17:58.34 | westside | amphi: no...connection resets |
| 17:58.41 | westside | only when I seed but not when I download |
| 17:58.41 | usn | good evening |
| 17:58.44 | nvz | I need to travel more. I like experiencing the change :P |
| 17:58.50 | westside | I've tried 3 different bt clients |
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| 17:59.00 | pickcoder | ma3x: apt-get install ftp |
| 17:59.01 | westside | and windoze and linux with the same problem |
| 17:59.04 | nvz | of course I already move around a lot.. but mostly in tight circles.. I need to break loose |
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| 17:59.28 | amphi | westside: router can't handle the many connections that bt creates? |
| 17:59.36 | Trewas | westside: maybe trying with azureus and encryption enabled, if that works ok then ISP is probably doing something nasty to bittorrent traffic |
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| 18:00.05 | Trewas | if not then it is likely some other problem |
| 18:00.06 | westside | amphi: connection counts aren't it as no one can connect |
| 18:00.22 | westside | I used iptraf and dicovered the RESETS are always on the remote side |
| 18:00.33 | nvz | yeah my little brother fucks up networks every where he goes with BT because he doesnt realize how well designed it is.. and that they havent really build network equipment that can handle using it without it being sensibly throttled and limited to a certain number of connections |
| 18:00.39 | westside | Trewas: I'll try that but azereus is a PITA to run headless |
| 18:00.52 | orhthotheo | hello, my debian cd won't boot (i've made correct BIOS boot settings). i'm in the grub minimal BASH-like, how do i boot from cdrom from here? |
| 18:01.14 | pickcoder | westside: can you setup a proxy on another connection to forward packets to a different port on your machine? |
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| 18:01.39 | pickcoder | westside: that way you can determine if the ISP is dropping traffic by port |
| 18:01.43 | westside | pickcoder: I thought about that but am having trouble proxying the tracker announces correctly |
| 18:02.18 | westside | pickcoder: it's not by port I've confirmed that but appears to detect the BT handshake and that I'm a seed |
| 18:02.33 | westside | as I mentioned I can download fine the problem occurs when I seed |
| 18:02.47 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 18:02.50 | nvz | heh I cant believe I still like xfiles.. its been reruns for what like 7 years now |
| 18:02.50 | pickcoder | business class upgrade? |
| 18:02.52 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 18:03.45 | pickcoder | pickcoder#dig scully |
| 18:04.23 | westside | so there are no network tools you all are aware of that might help me diagnos the orign of the my connection RESETS? |
| 18:04.35 | westside | there's no ability to trace where a connection gets RESET? |
| 18:05.04 | eastwood | traceroot |
| 18:05.12 | nvz | traceroute |
| 18:05.19 | pickcoder | westside: if the packets stop coming in, then how do you trace anything? |
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| 18:05.31 | nvz | eastwood: ;) |
| 18:05.32 | westside | well traceroute won't do it because it's only localized to BT connections |
| 18:05.42 | westside | all other connectivity functions fine |
| 18:05.44 | eastwood | tracerouter a peer |
| 18:06.01 | westside | pickcoder: how does iptraf know a connection is RESET vs. closed? |
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| 18:06.20 | pickcoder | westside: good point |
| 18:06.43 | eastwood | tried a different port? |
| 18:07.09 | westside | eastwood: yes as I mentioned the problem only occurs when seeding...I can download fine |
| 18:07.27 | zl2tod | westside: do you have a router of any kind at your end, and is the port 7881 forward working properly there ? |
| 18:07.28 | westside | the consensous on the BT forum is packet sniffing of the BT hand shake |
| 18:07.43 | Trewas | westside: sounds too speficic problem to be anything else than isp shaping |
| 18:07.47 | pickcoder | westside: tcpdump? |
| 18:07.49 | westside | zl2tod: I've ruled out hardware as I've tried with and without my router |
| 18:08.01 | westside | different machines, different clients and different OS's |
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| 18:08.36 | westside | pickoder: hmm...I should look and see what info tcpdump gives |
| 18:08.37 | ma3x | why I can't launch ftp? it says not found? I just did apt-get install ftp |
| 18:08.51 | pickcoder | westside: you can grep for resets |
| 18:09.23 | pickcoder | "R" |
| 18:09.30 | pickcoder | er.. actually that would be tough |
| 18:09.43 | westside | yeah R is kind of generic |
| 18:09.43 | pickcoder | start a monitor and watch it |
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| 18:09.55 | PepperBob | has anyone an idea how to check if a module has a real device? |
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| 18:10.11 | westside | since I have multiple hosts I can probably just watch traffic on those IP's |
| 18:10.15 | pickcoder | grep by port to narrow it |
| 18:10.34 | PepperBob | e.g. when i load module xyz - ihow can i see that there is a device for this? |
| 18:10.37 | ma3x | hello |
| 18:10.41 | ma3x | can anyone help me? |
| 18:11.10 | PepperBob | ma3x: please ask you question... |
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| 18:12.14 | pickcoder | ma3x: is ftp in /usr/bin/ ? |
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| 18:12.56 | ma3x | pickcoder, no, its not |
| 18:13.02 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 18:13.09 | ma3x | pickcoder, but I just reinstalled it, why it hasn't installed itself? |
| 18:13.22 | pickcoder | ma3x: dpkg --list | grep ftp |
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| 18:13.56 | ma3x | pickcoder, yes, it says ii |
| 18:14.30 | pickcoder | ma3x: !! ftp 0.XX-XX The FTP client |
| 18:14.37 | pickcoder | s/!!/ii |
| 18:15.11 | ma3x | pickcoder, yes it says ii |
| 18:15.20 | nn_ | what do i need in modules or other sofrware to get the port forwarding in ipmasqadm to work! |
| 18:15.28 | pickcoder | just ii or does it show a version and description |
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| 18:15.35 | ma3x | ii ftp 0.17-16 The FTP client |
| 18:15.41 | Trewas | ma3x: does running "netkit-ftp" work? that is the actual binary in ftp package |
| 18:16.11 | Trewas | thought simply "ftp" should work via alternatives |
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| 18:16.23 | Malagmyr | Can I somehow edit one of my posts at bts? |
| 18:16.44 | zinx | no |
| 18:16.51 | zinx | but you can post another one |
| 18:16.58 | nvz | ugh these fleas.. I gotta crush, burn, AND stab them.. |
| 18:17.18 | zl2tod | ma3x, whereis ftp |
| 18:17.34 | ma3x | zl2tod, it doestn show it |
| 18:17.42 | ma3x | Trewas, I just removed that! |
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| 18:19.39 | sts | how can i enable the php4 xml extension under debian testing? |
| 18:19.57 | Trewas | ma3x: what, you are asking why you can't run a binary in a package you just removed? :) |
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| 18:23.56 | zverj | !tell zverj about iproute2 |
| 18:24.05 | ma3x | Trewas, what's the package I should install? |
| 18:24.54 | pickcoder | sts: apt-cache search php xml |
| 18:25.10 | zverj | hello, has anyone set up router with 2 internet connection and multiple ip addresses on both of interfaces? how to diagnose problems with iproute2? |
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| 18:25.27 | Trewas | ma3x: package "ftp" includes binary "/usr/bin/netkit-ftp", and alternatives should point "ftp" to that binary (unless there is something broken) |
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| 18:27.46 | ma3x | Trewas, I just reinstalled ftp, but it doesn't include the binary. What should I do? |
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| 18:28.39 | Trewas | ma3x: what does "dpkg -L ftp|grep bin" say? |
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| 18:31.00 | abrotman | list the contents of the package named "ftp" and show only lines that contain the word "bin" |
| 18:31.19 | moshii | the cto here just said that debian isn't suitable for production environments... we need a new cto |
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| 18:32.00 | abrotman | moshii: you're not the boss .. either deal with it or get a new job |
| 18:32.19 | jelly-home | moshii: he might be right, depending on what kind of support you require |
| 18:32.53 | jelly-home | Vista tentative release date is January 30th, 2007, will etch release before? :-) |
| 18:32.58 | Cybodog | IMHO IT's job is to supply the cust with config and support of the OS/apps that THEY want. |
| 18:33.24 | grelli | Cybodog: I've had users *want* bonzai buddy to keep them company |
| 18:33.25 | moshii | jelly-home: beh, the redhat servers we have never get updated |
| 18:33.38 | Cybodog | we can educate them, but if they want the shared calendar of outlook, you are then stuck. |
| 18:34.17 | Cybodog | grelli, I know, but hopefully, you have a written policy that will dis-allow that AND that Mngmt will enforce. |
| 18:34.29 | moshii | abrotman: I'm not making out I'm the boss, it's just funny to hear people that are being paid an awful lot say very silly things |
| 18:34.30 | westside | pickoder: here's an example of my connection resets : http://pastebin.com/779071 |
| 18:34.45 | abrotman | moshii: it's his job .. let him do it .. you do yours |
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| 18:35.14 | westside | not sure if I can determine a reason for the resets |
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| 18:35.17 | Cybodog | ehh, I love debian, but linux is linux and if the big boss wanst warm fuzzies of support contract and wants to pay for it, so be it. |
| 18:35.20 | grelli | moshii: you mean the like the "IT Consultant" I talked to yesterday that asked what an RFC was? |
| 18:35.24 | westside | but tcpdump definitely catches them |
| 18:35.30 | jelly-home | moshii: oh well, I suppose it's not critical to update them. We still have potato installations here. |
| 18:35.57 | moshii | jelly-home: hmm you would think.. but the stuff we're running you think they would |
| 18:36.34 | moshii | grelli: yeah, never tell anyone how to do their job otherwise you'll get kicked in the head... it's funny to watch though |
| 18:37.37 | grelli | moshii: I just wanted him to fix the MX records and he asked what the bounce message meant |
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| 18:38.19 | jelly-home | moshii: I don't know. We regularly update things that get exposed to the outside world (web hosting, etc). The internal apps and services don't get that treatment, and there's always a need to test new versions first or at least have a downgrade procedure. |
| 18:38.20 | e-type | hi all |
| 18:38.23 | daedalus_ | grelli: moshii has no clue how to conduct corporate communication, so don't waste your time. |
| 18:38.33 | e-type | how can I block the loading of some kernel modules? |
| 18:38.41 | e-type | like fan and pcspkr :) |
| 18:39.08 | grelli | daedalus_: it's lunch hour and I joined #debian... I think it's safe to say I'm here to waste time |
| 18:39.37 | moshii | daedalus_: corporate communication is an oxymoron |
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| 18:40.27 | moshii | e-type: blacklist them in discover and hotplug |
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| 18:43.28 | possie | how can i easily see which man pages is being opened on my filesystem when i do a man foobar ? |
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| 18:43.54 | blondie | possie: lsof? |
| 18:44.12 | chris_abyi | hi.. does anyone know if there's any version of wine for debian amd64? (Or another method to start win-programs under debian stable amd64? |
| 18:44.26 | possie | blondie, hmm i was using strace currently but i was hoping there was nice other option perhaps a man paramater |
| 18:44.38 | SpComb | tp76: my point was that the "stable" doesn't referr to the range and width of hardware support. Very few hardware manufacturers provide linux drivers themselves (and many that do provide drivers that suck). So people have to write the drivers themselves. So it's usually a 'if it works, it will work stably', but if it's got some weird hardware in it that it can't undestand, well... boo |
| 18:45.30 | e-type | moshii: would that be modprobe.d/blacklist and hotplug/blacklist? |
| 18:45.42 | e-type | discover/2.6/ is empty here |
| 18:45.43 | moshii | SpComb: stable means that it's a stable environment.. any upgrades aren't going to cause breakage to stuff you're running on top |
| 18:45.47 | abrotman | chris_abyi: ask #winehq if such a thing exists .. i don't think it does |
| 18:45.51 | abrotman | BucWheat: make it work! |
| 18:45.53 | SpComb | kernel panics are caused by bugs in the kernel (very, very rare, if at all existant in stable), or hardware problems. The stable referrs to the former, not to the latter... |
| 18:46.01 | SpComb | moshii: well, something like that |
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| 18:46.17 | grelli | is there any magic involved in getting freeradiusd to accept connections? as it stands right now, it's pretty much flipping me the bird everytime I try to hit it with radcient |
| 18:46.17 | grelli | er, radclient |
| 18:46.49 | moshii | SpComb: imagine you're running applications on a certain tomcat/jdk .. in stable that'll never change |
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| 18:47.19 | moshii | SpComb: in testing/unstable you might upgrade and find it's changed and stuff doesn't work any more |
| 18:47.47 | SpComb | well, I think stable also means that there are no bugs in the kernel |
| 18:49.03 | grelli | SpComb: what gives you that idea? |
| 18:49.05 | moshii | SpComb: dunno about that, stable would mean that the kernel remains at 2.6.9+fixes instead of going to 2.6.10 where the fixes were made directly but a bunch of modules you need have been removed |
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| 18:49.38 | chris_alt | hmm..is there any "windows-emulator" available for debian sarge amd64? |
| 18:49.42 | ma3x | Trewas, /usr/bin /usr/bin/netkit-ftp /usr/bin/pftp |
| 18:49.51 | Eclipser | chris_alt, wine? |
| 18:49.58 | moshii | chris_alt: wine in a 32bit chroot |
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| 18:50.05 | chris_alt | Eclipser: no other way? |
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| 18:50.22 | moshii | chris_alt: there is a how to somewhere |
| 18:50.24 | chris_alt | I never setted up a chroot yet, you probably got a good tutorial for it? |
| 18:50.28 | chris_alt | okay |
| 18:50.29 | chris_alt | :) |
| 18:50.40 | moshii | chris_alt: google it ;) |
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| 18:51.27 | secher | just wondering if there's something up with the debian archives? I've been trying to do an update or package install for about 15 minutes, and it either keeps closing the connection or just sitting and not transferring any data. |
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| 18:51.43 | secher | Nevermind. |
| 18:51.46 | moshii | secher: try another mirror? |
| 18:51.51 | secher | doing a /topic always helps. |
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| 18:52.39 | secher | moshii: they're in a round-robin configuration, so ftp.debian.org is rarely the same server 2x in a row, iirc. |
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| 18:53.57 | Trewas | ma3x: I guess either of those binaries should work then |
| 18:54.03 | Cybodog | secher, I am stupid, what in the topic refers to you not getting packages downloaded? |
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| 18:55.02 | Hocus | hi, what tool can be used from witin a live linux distro to write on ntfs partitions? |
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| 18:55.10 | chatty_mcChat | hi all, can anyone confirm that there is a problem with ftp.debian.org testing/main? |
| 18:55.14 | Cybodog | Hocus deps on the distro |
| 18:55.39 | linu2 | I am making a chrootshell, following this tutorial: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?forumid=59&threadid=250875 |
| 18:55.44 | linu2 | at the end, after executing: ssh -l luser localhost, or even when trying from a remote location, I get the following error --> Sorry, user luser is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/chroot /home/luser /bin/su luser' as root on ssss |
| 18:55.47 | linu2 | thanks |
| 18:55.50 | moshii | Hocus: I'm not sure there is one |
| 18:55.53 | Tap-Out | okay.. I have somewhat of a newb question.. what address can I put into my /etc/apt/sources.list file that will give me the most up to date packages?? |
| 18:56.20 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 18:56.20 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:56.24 | Cybodog | Tap-Out by upto date what do you mean? |
| 18:56.34 | abrotman | don't even think about it .. |
| 18:56.39 | Cybodog | lol |
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| 18:56.49 | abrotman | if you don't know how to do that .. you sohuldn't be doing it .. |
| 18:56.53 | westside | Tap-Out: unstable |
| 18:57.02 | abrotman | westside: you're now his personal support team |
| 18:57.10 | njkt | lol |
| 18:57.11 | westside | heh |
| 18:57.15 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 18:57.21 | westside | yes it is |
| 18:57.25 | abrotman | those packages can result in data loss and non-functional computers |
| 18:57.33 | Cybodog | upto date = newest is not always the best. Just look at how unstable fc or MD is |
| 18:57.44 | chatty_mcChat | can anyone confirm that there is a problem with ftp.debian.org testing/main deb sources? |
| 18:57.48 | westside | abrotman: it's not as unstable as you make it out to be |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | westside: then you should have no problem giving Tap-Out your email address |
| 18:57.57 | westside | I run apt-get in cron nightly |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | westside: i'm well aware of how stable it is |
| 18:58.47 | moshii | westside: that's not such a good idea .. |
| 18:58.56 | Cybodog | experimental always bites me |
| 18:59.05 | ma3x | Trewas, and why I can't do man ftp? man: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/ftp.1.gz is a dangling symlink |
| 18:59.18 | Tap-Out | well for example just today I did an apt-get update, then tried to do apt-get install xchat.. and it said I have the very latest verision of xchat.. but I"m only running 2.4 instead of 2.6... so I would like to know a good url to put in the sources list for some more up to date software |
| 18:59.22 | moshii | westside: what if something big breaks |
| 18:59.24 | westside | moshii: in the past two years I only and one break from nightly upgrades of unstable |
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| 18:59.33 | westside | moshii: I fix it |
| 18:59.39 | _fjh_ | Hi, How do I debootstrap for a foreign architecture? I am on i386 and need to setup mipsel architecture. |
| 18:59.39 | abrotman | !flw48 is <reply> * westside has run sid since day one | <westside> I run apt-get in cron nightly |
| 18:59.39 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 18:59.40 | Cybodog | moshi like PAM? |
| 18:59.51 | moshii | Cybodog: or xorg |
| 18:59.58 | westside | abrotman: your point?? |
| 19:00.02 | moshii | Cybodog: something you'll notice |
| 19:00.23 | abrotman | don't tell someone how to run unstable .. if they can't figure it out .. they shouldn't be doing it.. you're welcome to your own misery .. don't subject someone else to it |
| 19:00.40 | grelli | abrotman: that's a good way to put it |
| 19:00.47 | grelli | it's my special hell, and I'm not sharing! |
| 19:01.21 | Trewas | ma3x: how about man netkit-ftp or man pftp? some earlier package may have left the symlink for ftp manpage |
| 19:01.32 | moshii | most people that move to unstable would be happy with backports |
| 19:01.50 | moshii | latest kde doesn't mean you have to upgrade everything else for example |
| 19:01.55 | ma3x | ok thanks |
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| 19:02.16 | jharrisonwk | greetings comrads |
| 19:02.19 | pickcoder | moshii: source installs? |
| 19:02.22 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:03.13 | moshii | pickcoder: the only reason to run unstable for me is that I need it to have a working machine |
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| 19:03.27 | westside | moshii: lol |
| 19:03.31 | westside | word |
| 19:03.32 | moshii | pickcoder: I moved countries 3 months ago and haven't updated it since |
| 19:03.38 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 19:04.33 | thegve | Hello.. I got a question I couldn't find another channel for.. Next week we're going to distribute a debian based distribution, for our franchised internet cafes. It contains a control panel which you can use to administrate users in LDAP. For this I've used one library (ldapserver), written by phpLDAPadmin under the GPL. I'm happy to redistribute this library (1 PHP file). Would this be legal under the GPL? |
| 19:04.36 | moshii | I upgraded last night and the default kernel no longer boots and I have to run xorg from unstable to get working DRI |
| 19:04.43 | moshii | so upgrading is a bad idea ;) |
| 19:05.10 | pickcoder | moshii: I know, I've been there twice with woody->sarge a couple years ago |
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| 19:05.31 | pickcoder | moshii: I keep stable or testing and download source installs for stuff I want that's bleeding edge |
| 19:05.57 | thegve | I'm going to rewrite and think the function's I used in the lib. But due to a shortage of time I use this lib temporally.. |
| 19:06.04 | moshii | pickcoder: just make sure it goes in */local |
| 19:06.08 | linu2 | anyone who can help with chroot, thanks |
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| 19:06.26 | moshii | pickcoder: the debian package scripts also have a tool for updating packages using source tarballs ... |
| 19:06.32 | pickcoder | moshii: yup - no probs until you decide to apt-get dist-upgrade along with source installs in place |
| 19:06.50 | moshii | pickcoder: which is good if you have something that needs CVS/SVN applied to it to make it work |
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| 19:07.09 | pickcoder | I know. I prefer to let dpkg be totally ignorant of my source ventures |
| 19:07.18 | pickcoder | that way it won't screw up dependencies |
| 19:07.23 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:07.49 | canute | Hi there. I've recently been using ubuntu and I now I'm installing Debian on my laptop. In ubuntu my WPA secured wlan worked almost right out of the box, however ubuntu uses a 2.6 kernel and my debian uses 2.4, is this going to be a problem? |
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| 19:08.05 | moshii | pickcoder: the problem with that is finding the 3000 -dev packages you need :( |
| 19:08.10 | pickcoder | canute: get etch / testing? |
| 19:08.22 | Thunderguy | Has anyone else noticed that Firefox in debian-testing has been a bit fragile the last month or so? |
| 19:08.25 | jelly-home | canute: you'll probably want to update to 2.6 kernel |
| 19:08.34 | pickcoder | moshii: I know.. large projects are a PITA to get configured and compiled |
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| 19:08.57 | jelly-home | pickcoder: wtf, why would one have to update te whole distro for a kernel update? |
| 19:09.22 | pickcoder | jelly-home: if it's a new install, why install an old distro and then upgrade it? |
| 19:09.24 | canute | okay, hanks |
| 19:09.41 | moshii | jelly-home: he'll need a newer version of udev etc ... |
| 19:09.41 | canute | thanks* |
| 19:10.03 | jelly-home | canute: there is 2.6.8 in stable Debian too, but it's anyone's guess if it'll work with your wifi card. |
| 19:10.23 | jelly-home | pickcoder: er, because it's not stable? |
| 19:10.43 | pickcoder | jelly-home: I have testing running in an enterprise environment |
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| 19:10.54 | Cybodog | In your opinion, what is the best distro? |
| 19:11.13 | Cybodog | what distro should I use? |
| 19:11.14 | jharrisonwk | Cybodog: use SID |
| 19:11.46 | jelly-home | pickcoder: good for you. I also have no problem running testing/unstable locally, but I don't recommend it to random people on irc. |
| 19:11.48 | Thunderguy | I disagree, I have problems a little with Testing.. |
| 19:12.09 | eastwood | me 2 |
| 19:12.14 | Cybodog | SID? |
| 19:12.18 | pickcoder | jelly-home: is there such a thing as a completely bug-free O/S? |
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| 19:12.25 | jharrisonwk | yeah sid = unstable |
| 19:12.27 | outlaw84 | is there anything you need to enable in a 2.6.17 kernel for PCI-express to work? |
| 19:12.43 | Thunderguy | Yeah my firefox is very fragile, a movie plugin through the kaffiene, or a java_vm will CRASH firefox every other time, anyone else having a problem like this on testing? |
| 19:12.58 | eastwood | sometimes happens here aswell |
| 19:13.01 | pickcoder | jelly-home: to each his own |
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| 19:13.03 | Thunderguy | Oh and in OpenOffice, 2 icons need to be reversed >.> |
| 19:13.03 | eastwood | so ur not alone |
| 19:13.09 | jelly-home | pickcoder: your question implies a false dichotomy. :p |
| 19:13.20 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: where are you when someone is trying to play a joke on you? |
| 19:13.38 | Cybodog | ya, abrotman, where are you? |
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| 19:14.34 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ping? |
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| 19:15.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:15.46 | Cybodog | abrotman: jharrisonwk> Cybodog: use SID |
| 19:15.53 | evil-tux | brb |
| 19:16.07 | abrotman | not funny! |
| 19:16.21 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 19:16.24 | Cybodog | I told him abrotman, but he would not listen, he made me ask |
| 19:16.33 | jharrisonwk | oh its funny |
| 19:16.39 | Thunderguy | So wait, I should switch from Sid? |
| 19:16.45 | jharrisonwk | like family guy funny |
| 19:16.50 | Thunderguy | I just changed my sources.list after Cybodog replied and upgrading now |
| 19:16.52 | Cybodog | switch to sid |
| 19:17.04 | Cybodog | thuderguy, I would not do that. |
| 19:17.11 | nvz | Cybodog: mind control? |
| 19:17.14 | Cybodog | thuderguy , but jharrisonwk would |
| 19:17.19 | _fjh_ | How do I setup a root filesystem for mipsel? I have no internet access on that machine. Any pointers? |
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| 19:17.27 | jharrisonwk | my sources.list always have sid |
| 19:17.43 | moshii | _fjh_: to be mounted over NFS or something? |
| 19:17.45 | Cybodog | my sources.list have been sid since 2000 |
| 19:18.02 | chris_alt | some funny question: I got a beep-tone here that really goes on my nerves.. happens relatively often since I installed a fresh kernel-image. Anyone probably knows how-to disable it? |
| 19:18.06 | eugman | A friend of mine has an "old mac" in his garage he's going to give to me. Is there a good chance debian would install on it? |
| 19:18.16 | moshii | _fjh_: I have a mipsel debian rootfs for the WRT54 somewhere ... |
| 19:18.21 | _fjh_ | moshi: Yes, via nfsroot. Or i could attach a preloaded harddisk to the board. |
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| 19:18.26 | Thunderguy | Anyway, Yeah so I been finding a few bugs in testing, minor :) but, kinda dumb bugs >.> ( icons backwards in openoffice, Mozilla crashing a lot with Java, and I believe someone noted that the kernel was compiled with a gcc that is a different version than the gcc supported by debian ) |
| 19:18.52 | moshii | _fjh_: you need debootstrap .. or cdebootstrap |
| 19:19.05 | Cybodog | thunderguy the thing about testing is: it is for testing |
| 19:19.08 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: my etch is fine |
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| 19:19.17 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: my sid is fine too |
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| 19:19.23 | jharrisonwk | hey wait |
| 19:19.27 | jharrisonwk | I did not upgrade today |
| 19:19.37 | Cybodog | thunderguy nobody cares if something is broken in testing unless it it close to a release date |
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| 19:19.47 | moshii | _fjh_: you'll probably have to half build a chroot, boot that and build a proper chroot within that if you're not using mipsel on the building machine |
| 19:19.49 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: I notice in openoffice when you go to the print thing... and you have 'page next' and 'previous previous' the icons are backwards. |
| 19:19.59 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: weird |
| 19:20.00 | Thunderguy | 'page previous'* |
| 19:20.02 | _fjh_ | moshii, I tried, but did not get far. It stopped without downloading the needed packages. |
| 19:20.20 | Thunderguy | jahrrison: Previous shows a forward icon, and forward shows a previous icon |
| 19:20.21 | raveneye | did anyone notice that the installer hangs on finding fd0 if its disabled in bios prior to the partitioning stage? |
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| 19:20.39 | _fjh_ | moshii, what is a half-build chroot? |
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| 19:20.54 | Cybodog | not last time I installed raveneye (9 months?) |
| 19:21.17 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: downgrade then |
| 19:21.30 | moshii | _fjh_: basically debootstrap won't be able to finish the system because the arch your building for is different to the native one so it can't execute stuff inside the chroot |
| 19:21.38 | jharrisonwk | raveneye: tell #debian-boot |
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| 19:21.59 | moshii | _fjh_: so you get half way and have a sort of broken but workable system that can run debootstrap itself |
| 19:22.01 | seb- | any way possible to roll back to an older udev version? |
| 19:22.12 | raveneye | I installed last saturday (etch) Cybodog. Oh its fine now its just a matter of alt-f4 crtl C thingy to get it back on track. just wondering if anyone else noticed. |
| 19:22.35 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: Actually I realize that stable 'can' get kinda old, I was thinking of weighing in the difference between ubuntu and debian-testing ( which has more bugs ) since I'm assuming that ubuntu just 'takes' the debian archives. |
| 19:22.36 | _fjh_ | moshii, does this mean I need internet access on the mipsel machine for downloading .debs? |
| 19:22.56 | moshii | _fjh_: no, you can supply it with them |
| 19:23.15 | moshii | _fjh_: use cdebootstrap for a start ,it'll get further |
| 19:24.31 | _fjh_ | moshii, ok I will try cdebootstrap. I tried debootstrap uptonow. Thank you. |
| 19:24.33 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: ubuntu would be fine |
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| 19:24.46 | Thunderguy | Well what I want... is to maintain a backup repository in a simple manor |
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| 19:24.50 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: all ubuntu is is debian more refined and polished |
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| 19:25.11 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: More is good... |
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| 19:25.20 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: what do you mean? |
| 19:26.19 | moshii | _fjh_: once you have a chroot made make sure you tar it up and save it somewhere to avoid the pain again ;) |
| 19:26.20 | raveneye | ow there is nothing wrong with ubuntu once you activate root account install ssh zsh and kick nano... |
| 19:26.28 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: I installed debian off a netinst disc right? so I have 900MB in my apt-get, I wanna maintain a backup of everything since I'm on dialup |
| 19:26.40 | jharrisonwk | raveneye: or you could just sudo bash |
| 19:26.46 | _fjh_ | moshii, I hope I get that far. |
| 19:26.48 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: To put on another computer, currently all I did was apt-move everything to a DVD, but I have a laptop that only has a CD-ROM |
| 19:26.50 | Cybodog | reeneye, even when you make a root account, it acts strangly |
| 19:27.10 | jharrisonwk | Thunderguy: so you want a mirror? |
| 19:27.39 | jharrisonwk | Cybodog: which is why a sudo bash works nicely |
| 19:27.43 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: Yes, but something I can put on CD sets, I don't want all the debian cd sets, just specific transfers |
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| 19:27.52 | Cybodog | indeed jharrisonwk |
| 19:28.05 | nehoksan | where is the "any key" key? |
| 19:28.14 | moshii | _fjh_: it does work.. I had debian running on my WRT54GS over NFS with swap :) |
| 19:28.19 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: Currently my repository is so big and can't be broken down, I need a 600mb out of 900mb, then another disc. |
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| 19:29.24 | Thunderguy | jharrisonwk: But because my hard drive on that laptop is 1 gigabyte, I wont' be able to 'rebuild' the archive on the laptop. |
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| 19:29.47 | _fjh_ | moshii: did you make notes on that process? On the other hand it already helps to know it works. |
| 19:29.54 | dimbit | o/t I know, but quick question: how do you add something to the start of a file from the command line? like "cat foo >> bar.txt" but to add to the start |
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| 19:32.06 | zinosat | why "ldd program" says "libnewt.so.0.52 => /usr/lib/libnewt.so.0.52" even if I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to a dir containing a local copy of the lib? |
| 19:32.34 | moshii | _fjh_: Yes... and a tarball you could use, if you want to get my machine out my attic in the uk it's yours |
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| 19:33.01 | linu2 | anyone who can help with: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?forumid=59&threadid=250875 ..... I get the following error when trying to login to the chroot shell |
| 19:33.30 | linu2 | Sorry, user luser is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/chroot /home/luser /bin/su luser' as root ... |
| 19:33.41 | linu2 | thanks, help appreciated |
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| 19:36.47 | jeward | I have around 200 debian servers, but one has strange characters in it's tripwire report. How do I fix it? |
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| 19:37.24 | jeward | It looks like: |
| 19:37.25 | jeward | =0D=0A=0D=0ATripwire(R)=202.3.0=20Inte= |
| 19:37.26 | jeward | grity=20Check=20Report=0D=0A=0D=0ARep= |
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| 19:39.29 | blazefx | Hey all |
| 19:39.51 | blazefx | is it me or is tor no longer a part ot 'apt' |
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| 19:40.20 | cydork | blazefx, etch? |
| 19:40.27 | blazefx | ? |
| 19:40.36 | blazefx | what it etch? |
| 19:40.36 | _fjh_ | moshii, thank you for the offer. I am located in germany, so your attic is too far. cdebootstrap stopped with an error message at dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/bootstrap/base-passwd_3.5.11_mipsel.deb. But it downloaded some packages. Is this good enough for first boot? |
| 19:40.54 | Cybodog | etch is the code name for testing |
| 19:40.55 | cydork | blazefx, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 19:41.03 | jeward | Is there a better place to ask tripwire questions? |
| 19:41.05 | blazefx | nope lol, r2 stable |
| 19:41.18 | blazefx | speaking of which I think my sources.list might be a bit fudged. |
| 19:41.24 | cydork | !info tor sarge |
| 19:41.43 | S4nD3r | I have a problem whice processing |
| 19:41.45 | cydork | blazefx, nope it's not there :) |
| 19:41.45 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.46 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.47 | S4nD3r | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:41.49 | Cybodog | there is #tripwire, but nobody in it |
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| 19:41.57 | S4nD3r | I tried many times remove those one, |
| 19:42.00 | blazefx | see, Im not crazy |
| 19:42.01 | S4nD3r | I tried to reinstall |
| 19:42.05 | S4nD3r | but I didnt get |
| 19:42.15 | blazefx | !info tor |
| 19:42.17 | jeward | Hmmm. |
| 19:42.27 | nvz | can I get rid of the stupid little tool icon next to my cursor in the gimp so I can see wtf I am doing? |
| 19:42.29 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.1.23-1 (sid), Packaged size: 775 kB, Installed size: 1444 kB |
| 19:42.42 | Cybodog | S4nD3r, try apt-get install -f |
| 19:43.00 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 19:43.00 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:43.04 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: did you put the whole message online like we asked the last time you came up with that partial error? |
| 19:43.29 | cydork | blazefx, it's in sid. it might be available in backports. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:43.53 | streuner | hm |
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| 19:44.51 | cydork | S4nD3r, can you paste the whole error in pastebin |
| 19:45.24 | blazefx | cydork, hrmm. I think I am going to have to do some sources.list editing. |
| 19:46.24 | cydork | blazefx, if you want to use backports. Yes |
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| 19:48.10 | S4nD3r | I tried apt-get install -f |
| 19:48.26 | S4nD3r | then, this tries to install those package, and came back the same error |
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| 19:49.37 | Cybodog | s4nd3r copy the ENTIRE error and past it in pastebin.ca and then copy the url and post it back here |
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| 19:50.54 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.com/779142 |
| 19:51.11 | S4nD3r | Its there. |
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| 19:52.19 | blazefx | what deb types do you all use for your apt-get sources.list? By this I mean { main contrib non-free and non-us}. And when should I use which? |
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| 19:53.38 | Cybodog | someone speak/read spanish to help S4nD3r ? looks like broken pipes, if it is, then IIRC nothing you can do? |
| 19:53.43 | blazefx | hold up |
| 19:53.45 | blazefx | ill help |
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| 19:54.02 | blazefx | which line |
| 19:54.08 | Cybodog | 12 |
| 19:54.36 | blazefx | hrmm, pastebin isint resolving for me |
| 19:54.38 | blazefx | hold on a sec |
| 19:54.45 | Cybodog | slow |
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| 19:55.09 | blazefx | very slow |
| 19:55.16 | Cybodog | very very slow |
| 19:55.34 | blazefx | could you paste it somewhere else |
| 19:55.38 | blazefx | I can't even get to the code. |
| 19:55.46 | Cybodog | hold one, just a sec |
| 19:55.47 | blazefx | never mind |
| 19:55.50 | Cybodog | k |
| 19:55.53 | blazefx | it finally came up |
| 19:56.08 | blazefx | yeah Broken Pipe |
| 19:56.30 | Cybodog | iirc (been a long time since I had a broken pipe) that is a bad piece of code |
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| 19:56.40 | blazefx | lol |
| 19:56.56 | Cybodog | in fact I don't remember the last time I saw that. |
| 19:57.11 | [A]ddicted | why debian is composed of about 13 CDs what do they contain!! |
| 19:57.25 | Cybodog | S4nD3r, what are you trying to install? |
| 19:57.34 | moshii | [A]ddicted: lot's and lot's of pron |
| 19:57.38 | blazefx | [A]ddicted or one 109 mb minimal install CD |
| 19:57.44 | blazefx | which is much better :P |
| 19:57.46 | Cybodog | [A]ddicted, many many many packages to choose from |
| 19:57.53 | blazefx | if you have the patience to set up X. |
| 19:58.09 | Cybodog | [A]ddicted, google Debian-installer |
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| 19:58.29 | Cybodog | S4nD3r, what sources are you using? |
| 19:58.32 | Volkernut | I don't know if retarded or what but I can't seem to boot into safe mode on my laptop. How do I do this? |
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| 19:58.38 | Volkernut | i'm using winblows |
| 19:59.01 | cydork | Volkernut, get a hammer. need i say anything more :) |
| 19:59.11 | peterS | Volkernut: uh ... this is #debian |
| 19:59.12 | S4nD3r | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 19:59.13 | S4nD3r | deb ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 19:59.13 | S4nD3r | deb-src ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 19:59.14 | Cybodog | volernut that means you are retared, but try f5 or f8 right after the bios boot splash screen |
| 19:59.15 | S4nD3r | my sources |
| 19:59.25 | peterS | Volkernut: it's for questions about Debian |
| 19:59.28 | Volkernut | peters - really? I thought this was the laptop channel |
| 19:59.34 | Volkernut | fuck I must be retarded |
| 19:59.41 | Cybodog | lol |
| 19:59.43 | S4nD3r | I was trying to install openoffice2, when a I got this error, and didnt get leave of it |
| 20:00.27 | Cybodog | S4nD3r, you are running stable and you get broken pipes? Are you installing from some backport? |
| 20:00.37 | Cybodog | is oo2 in stable? |
| 20:00.40 | xored | how to get rv40 running ( codec of realplayer 9) ? |
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| 20:01.05 | Volkernut | by the way I was being sarcastic |
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| 20:01.12 | peterS | Volkernut: you were also being offtopic |
| 20:01.18 | Cybodog | oops I mean stable |
| 20:01.23 | peterS | Volkernut: don't do it again |
| 20:01.55 | Volkernut | peters - what are you the debian channel taddle tail? |
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| 20:02.11 | Cybodog | volkernut narco squad |
| 20:02.22 | peterS | Volkernut: please stay on topic, that's all I'm asking |
| 20:02.28 | Volkernut | why do you care? |
| 20:02.39 | Volkernut | is this channel a big part of your life? |
| 20:02.46 | Cybodog | it is MINE |
| 20:02.52 | peterS | Volkernut: because I care. because this channel has a purpose, and that purpose isn't to entertain you |
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| 20:03.07 | Volkernut | yeah I find asking questions about my laptop so entertaining. |
| 20:03.12 | Volkernut | its what I do for fun |
| 20:03.17 | peterS | Volkernut: just stop doing it, nobody gets hurt. |
| 20:03.38 | Volkernut | your bitching about my post has been just as a waste of time as my original question. You've done nothing but keep this channel off topic. |
| 20:03.51 | Cybodog | ro ro |
| 20:04.00 | peterS | Volkernut: once more, you're wasting our time. stop it |
| 20:04.01 | peterS | Cybodog: you too |
| 20:04.02 | Volkernut | It would have been a lot easier to ignore my question and let the channel continue on topic. |
| 20:04.25 | Volkernut | but no, the debian channel dork had to step in and protect everyone from my off topic question. |
| 20:04.34 | peterS | Volkernut: drop. it. |
| 20:04.34 | cydork | hey i am running a vstpd on etch. the machine ip is directly on internet. i can ftp into it from a similar machine but not from my laptop, any pointer? |
| 20:04.54 | Cybodog | S4nD3r, are you installing OO2 from stable or from a backport? |
| 20:05.00 | cydork | my laptop is behind adsl router btw |
| 20:05.45 | peterS | Cybodog: your "adsl router" is probably really a NAT box and doesn't take kindly to FTP PORT connections |
| 20:05.49 | peterS | cydork: that was for you |
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| 20:06.01 | peterS | cydork: tell it to use PASV mode |
| 20:06.19 | Cybodog | peterS, done that myself |
| 20:06.30 | cydork | peterS, i tried pasv_prominiscus=yes. no use |
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| 20:06.47 | peterS | cydork: I've never heard of pasv_prominiscus. tell your laptop to use ftp passive mode. |
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| 20:07.35 | abrotman | promiscuous ? |
| 20:07.50 | peterS | well, I don't see how 'promiscuous' has much to do with FTP |
| 20:07.55 | enouf | cydork: do you mean promiscious |
| 20:08.06 | Guerin | sounds like a case of Making Shit Up |
| 20:08.12 | cydork | enouf, yep |
| 20:08.28 | enouf | doh - i think abrotman spelled it correctly |
| 20:08.30 | peterS | and in enouf's case, Making Spellings Up, too |
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| 20:08.38 | enouf | yep |
| 20:08.44 | Guerin | at least nobody says proboscis |
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| 20:09.09 | cydork | peterS, This is what man page says. Set to YES if you want to disable the PASV security check that ensures the data connection originates from the same IP address as the control connection. |
| 20:09.26 | Guerin | oh, that's a vsftpd thing |
| 20:09.27 | peterS | cydork: that sounds like a server setting, not a client setting |
| 20:09.32 | peterS | cydork: I'm talking about your client |
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| 20:09.45 | cydork | peterS, oh let me try :P |
| 20:10.12 | cydork | peterS, damn you are right :0 |
| 20:10.24 | Guerin | shock/horror |
| 20:10.29 | peterS | cydork: so passive mode works? good.. |
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| 20:10.53 | xaka | in vsftpd i set local_root to /srv/ftp/pub but any user can move to parent dir (some from pub to /srv/ftp, ..., to /srv) - how restrict this? |
| 20:10.53 | Cybodog | I was looking for gun play, now we have free love |
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| 20:10.58 | cydork | peterS, i just spent 15 minutes trying verious server setting :) |
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| 20:11.57 | rancidd | Hey guys, I have just setup a sata raid in the bios, and then tried to install debian - it finds the drivers for the raid and all that fine, then it comes to the partitioning bit, and it sees the both drives as separate drives (i've only ever setup raid-mirror in windows) the raid-mirror is working/setup in the bios.. but how comes the debian installer sees it as two separate drives? |
| 20:11.58 | peterS | xaka: there are various chroot-related settings in vsftpd.conf, read the example config file and decide which ones youw ant |
| 20:12.18 | peterS | rancidd: because you don't have a real raid card, you have fake bios raid |
| 20:12.42 | peterS | rancidd: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
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| 20:13.09 | peterS | quite a funny little web page, that |
| 20:13.26 | Cybodog | rancidd, peterS is right. You need to have a driver that linux uses (if there is one) |
| 20:13.40 | peterS | but beyond being cute, it actually provides good information too |
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| 20:13.52 | Cybodog | peterS, I have not been there, checking it out |
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| 20:14.13 | Capso | Anyone here try Xorg on a Toshiba Satellite? |
| 20:14.33 | peterS | Capso: that's impossibly vague, 'toshiba satellite' is a wide range of machines |
| 20:14.45 | Capso | Alright... |
| 20:14.51 | peterS | Capso: it's also not a useful question. I'm sure _someone_ _somewhere_ has tried it |
| 20:15.07 | peterS | Capso: please ask the question you really want an answer to |
| 20:15.08 | Capso | Toshiba Satellite 5105-S501 ... |
| 20:15.53 | peterS | you don't care if anyone has used xorg on your model of machine. you care about something else, like whether it works well, or which chipset it uses, or something like that |
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| 20:16.25 | Capso | I would really like an answer to the following question: Have any of you, in this Channel, gotten Xorg to work on a Toshiba Satellite 5105-S501 with an nVidia GeForce4 440 Go card? |
| 20:16.45 | signuts | Where is the proper place to edit /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 20:17.14 | signuts | Capso, I havn't, but are you using nvidia drivers ? |
| 20:17.18 | Capso | peterS: It seems as if Xorg is hanging for that... |
| 20:17.24 | enouf | signuts: you want to 'sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf' - is that what you mean ? |
| 20:17.25 | Capso | signuts: Yes... |
| 20:17.29 | xaka | peterS: how it help me? i don't understand. I want all local users move into /srv/ftp/pub and nothing more, but they can move into parent dir. I set local_enable, local_root |
| 20:17.39 | peterS | enouf: not necessarily. not if he's got the resolvconf package installed. |
| 20:17.51 | signuts | enouf, no, it tells me in the file not to edit the contents as they'll be overwritten |
| 20:18.06 | peterS | xaka: you didn't actually read the comments in vsftpd.conf pertaining to chroot, did you? |
| 20:18.10 | signuts | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 20:18.25 | enouf | peterS: hmm.. haven;t heard of that - signuts; follow peterS's lead |
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| 20:18.34 | peterS | signuts: when it says it's generated by resolvconf(8), what it means is, 'man 8 resolvconf' for more information |
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| 20:19.09 | lontra | bad wireless network :/ |
| 20:19.15 | Capso | peterS: When starting Xorg... I seem to be getting some missing font errors... especially the "fixed" font... |
| 20:19.19 | Capso | peterS: Any ideas about that one? |
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| 20:19.34 | Capso | peterS: But I can start it, after all... and it just hangs... |
| 20:19.43 | rancidd | peterS, Ok, im going to look into that now thanks for the help. |
| 20:19.50 | Guerin | !fixed |
| 20:19.50 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
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| 20:20.04 | cydork | Capso, are you using etch?? |
| 20:20.10 | lontra | man dpkg has a factoid for every problem |
| 20:20.21 | signuts | Thx Pet |
| 20:20.26 | Guerin | lontra: he is the distilled knowledge of this channel |
| 20:20.36 | Guerin | lontra: and the distilled stupidity |
| 20:20.37 | peterS | she. |
| 20:20.41 | Guerin | !gender |
| 20:20.42 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 20:20.43 | lontra | he he |
| 20:20.50 | Guerin | peterS: not today |
| 20:21.18 | peterS | Guerin: oh well |
| 20:21.21 | Capso | cydork: No, don't think so... |
| 20:21.46 | rancidd | peterS, Looking at that site, im a bit confused.. where do I get the driver from? |
| 20:21.51 | rancidd | im really lost here. |
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| 20:22.05 | enouf | Capso: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:22.18 | cydork | Capso, and how did you install nvidia drivers? the debian way? or with nvidia installer? |
| 20:22.40 | Capso | The Debian way. |
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| 20:22.46 | peterS | rancidd: did you read the web page I pointed you to? it mentions dmraid and ataraid. |
| 20:23.32 | Guerin | before installing sarge |
| 20:23.44 | peterS | rancidd: if you don't need compatibility with legacy OSes, there's no need to bother with the "RAID features" of the SATA chip. just treat it as the 2 disks it really is, and run software raid in linux if you want that |
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| 20:24.14 | Guerin | 'legacy OSes' == windows? |
| 20:24.21 | abrotman | Guerin: what's wrong with it? |
| 20:24.29 | abrotman | erm .. wrong channel :) |
| 20:24.40 | jetx | !lucent |
| 20:24.56 | jetx | !ppp |
| 20:24.57 | dpkg | hmm... ppp is the Point-to-Point Protocol for connecting to the Internet using a modem, or look at http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html for an article on "how to hook up ppp in Linux" -- PAP/CHAP stuff included. ask me about "ppp on windows" |
| 20:25.40 | Guerin | abrotman: obsd's ppp refuses to dial, despite being a stock simple ppp.conf |
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| 20:25.59 | Guerin | and naturally enough, it won't give any useful output either |
| 20:26.06 | enouf | Guerin: I find it quite remarkable how the fonts work in the system - especially the X fonts, and their use in an emulated env such as Konsole, where some seem to think xterm is responsible for those |
| 20:26.06 | Guerin | but this is offtopic, so I'll shaddup |
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| 20:26.14 | rancidd | peterS, What I am trying to do is. I have a fast machine, and im going to colocate the box to run some services off.. i want the sata raid wroking because its setup as a mirror, so its a redundancy option... |
| 20:26.14 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: you still there? it seems that you're trying to install a package that contains a file from another package (kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1sarge3_i386.deb (--unpack):kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1sarge3_i386.deb (--unpack):kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1sarge3_i386.deb (--unpack):kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1sarge3_i386.deb (--unpack): tentando sobrescrever `/usr/bin/kcmshell', que também está no pacote kdelibs-binpacote kdelibs-bin) ... this shouldn't happen in sarge. |
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| 20:26.35 | itc | ok, one q. got 4 drives, megaraid controller. raid5 or raid10 ? need4speed |
| 20:26.36 | peterS | rancidd: so you already have legacy data on your sata drives, which you need to keep? |
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| 20:27.11 | abrotman | Guerin: plug in the line |
| 20:27.12 | enouf | Buerin : if the legacy thing was a question - I'm pretty sure it pertains to win9x/ME and earlier such as DOS - since they're not true 32bit OSes - so legacyOS = less than true 32bit |
| 20:27.13 | peterS | itc: depends on what you want. do you need a hot spare drive? do you need the capacity equivalent of 2 drives, or of 3? |
| 20:27.17 | Guerin | abrotman: duh. |
| 20:27.22 | enouf | Guerin: ^^ whoops |
| 20:27.25 | abrotman | Guerin: bother sng! |
| 20:27.25 | rancidd | peterS, no im setting this box up as a server everything is brand new, i just built the box.. it has no data on it whatsoever.. |
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| 20:27.40 | Guerin | abrotman: he doesn't do dialup, like a sane person. |
| 20:27.40 | itc | peterS I need hot spare, not into capacity. need speed, as much as posible |
| 20:27.41 | jelly-home | what's the easiest way to make apt call dpkg with --force-overwrite? |
| 20:27.47 | lontra | what's the factoid to set up a mixed system by editing apt.conf? i currently don't have X or a web browser up so i can't go the mixed systems link that dpkg provides |
| 20:27.48 | abrotman | Guerin: duh :) |
| 20:27.57 | peterS | rancidd: then I wouldn't bother with the raid feature of the sata chip. disable it, if possible. set up linux kernel raid-1 during the install. |
| 20:28.15 | biopyte | hi. openoffice complains that it cannot find 'libodbc.so.1' (i want to connect to a sqlite database via odbc). where is this file? unixodbc is installed (etch here). any idea? |
| 20:28.18 | jetx | just do dpkg -i --force-blah /var/cache/apt/blahblah.deb |
| 20:28.19 | Guerin | jelly-home: man aptdetails it, i think |
| 20:28.23 | jelly-home | nm, found it under /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 20:28.25 | jetx | or path |
| 20:28.27 | peterS | itc: if you need a hot spare, that's 1 drive out of the 4. that leaves you with 3 drives. raid10 needs an even number of drives, so you probably want raid5 instead. |
| 20:28.28 | abrotman | !tell biopyte about search |
| 20:28.36 | abrotman | !find libodbc.so.1 sarge |
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| 20:28.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libodbc.so.1' returned no results. |
| 20:28.45 | Capso | enouf: You there? |
| 20:28.47 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:28.49 | abrotman | !find libodbc.so.1 etch |
| 20:28.58 | abrotman | failed! |
| 20:29.02 | peterS | itc: in other words, what you get is raid5 with 2 data stripes, 1 parity stripe and 1 hot spare. so you get half the raw capacity of your 4 disks |
| 20:29.09 | rancidd | peterS, So what your saying is go into the bios and disable the sata raid stuff.. then boot the install cd as normal, but then what? |
| 20:29.21 | peterS | rancidd: then enable raid1 during the install |
| 20:29.22 | itc | peterS well is raid10 faster than raid5 ? |
| 20:29.45 | peterS | itc: doesn't matter, if you want a hot spare. raid10 requires at least 4 disks not counting the hot spare. |
| 20:29.49 | rancidd | peterS, I have never noticed that option before, how do i enable that? |
| 20:30.04 | jelly-home | abrotman, that's in unixodbc on my etch/sid machine |
| 20:30.07 | biopyte | so libodbc.so.1 is missing in etch? |
| 20:30.12 | peterS | rancidd: I don't remember offhand. it may not be convenient in the sarge installer anyway. |
| 20:30.20 | peterS | though I thought it was supported |
| 20:30.57 | enouf | Capso pong |
| 20:31.27 | Capso | Hey... got a Toshiba Satellite S5105-501... Xorg seems to hang, and also gives an error message about mission fonts... xfonts-base is NOT installed... nvidia drivers installed the Debian way (nVidia GeForce 4 Go 440)... any ideas? |
| 20:31.42 | Capso | enouf: 'cat /etc/debian_version' says: "testing/unstable" |
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| 20:31.45 | rancidd | peterS, so what do i do? |
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| 20:32.04 | enouf | Capso: that's not Sarge - but Etch/Sid |
| 20:32.06 | abrotman | mission fonts kick ass |
| 20:32.06 | peterS | rancidd: enable raid1 during the install. have you tried this yet? |
| 20:32.18 | Capso | enouf: Oh... |
| 20:32.25 | peterS | rancidd: it sounds like you're waiting for me to tell you what to try, rather than just trying stuff. |
| 20:32.36 | Capso | enouf: So... what should I do? Move to sarge and re-install xorg, nvidia-drivers, etc.? |
| 20:32.49 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: I'd try apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" -f install |
| 20:32.59 | enouf | Capso: I think you need to try the fixes in /msg dpkg fixed |
| 20:33.21 | rancidd | peterS, where is the option to enable raid1 during the install? |
| 20:33.32 | rancidd | im not waiting for you to tell me im just trying to figure out what i need to do. |
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| 20:33.37 | peterS | rancidd: you'll see it in the disk partitioning menu, if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:33.39 | nvz | gah my house is infested with pests the cat is moving out and I am waging war on these little buggers |
| 20:33.40 | Capso | enouf: In what? |
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| 20:33.48 | Capso | enouf: Oh.. |
| 20:34.02 | enouf | Capso: Sarge=Stable, Etch=Testing Sid=Unstable and newest |
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| 20:34.11 | Capso | enouf: Right. |
| 20:34.14 | pestilence | is it possible to have apt overwrite the files that currently exist in a package? it doesn't seem to do that, even with the --reinstall flag |
| 20:34.25 | enouf | type this '/msg dpkg fixed' hit enter |
| 20:34.35 | Capso | enouf: Got ya. |
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| 20:34.41 | grelli | awww |
| 20:34.46 | grelli | my pestilence. I was keeping that |
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| 20:34.47 | Capso | enouf: Isn't xfonts-base an XFree86 thing? |
| 20:34.48 | pestilence | nvz, thanks! |
| 20:34.55 | Capso | enouf: Doesn't it require Xfree86 to be installed? |
| 20:34.59 | nvz | pestilence: no problem :P |
| 20:35.05 | jelly-home | pestilence: I think reinstall does overwrite files but not conffiles. |
| 20:35.16 | grelli | nvz: oh... that's a user here |
| 20:35.21 | nvz | I'm going nuts I am killing anything that looks like a pest |
| 20:35.23 | pestilence | jelly-home, ahhhh that explains it, how do i get it to do conf files |
| 20:35.23 | grelli | nvz: didn't evern realize |
| 20:35.32 | enouf | Capso: nope: I'm on Sid and got it ii xfonts-base 1.0.0-3 standard fonts for X |
| 20:35.38 | pestilence | jelly-home, it's files in /etc/terminfo that it isn't overwriting |
| 20:35.39 | jelly-home | pestilence: purge it and install again |
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| 20:35.53 | pestilence | jelly-home, i don't think that's gonna work so well with ncurses-base :-P |
| 20:35.55 | deconvolution | hi, I am trying to format my usb disk by using "mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/uba1" command but it returns "unable to get drive geometry, using default 255/63" and the usb disk is not ready, how can I solve it? |
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| 20:36.21 | jelly-home | pestilence: well, you could do an dpkg --unpack in / if you're brave. ;-) |
| 20:36.36 | pestilence | i guess i'll just do it by hand. |
| 20:36.38 | nvz | I am sending the cat away and if I need company I'll find a woman and make sure she's house broken and screened :P |
| 20:36.39 | jelly-home | pestilence: or unpack elsewhere and copy what you need. |
| 20:36.40 | enouf | Capso: I r-e-a-l-l-y happen to suspect you just need to fix a broiken ymliongk that points to your fonts location -- I ghad an issue like this as well when upgrading - jusrt cannot recall the exact fix |
| 20:36.47 | pestilence | jelly-home, yea, that's what i'm gonna do |
| 20:36.48 | pestilence | thanks :) |
| 20:36.58 | Capso | enouf: Ah. |
| 20:37.02 | peterS | deconvolution: wow, uba1? I think that has since been removed from debian kernels. is there a reason you're using that driver - does usb-storage not work for you? |
| 20:37.03 | enouf | s/broiken ymliongk/broken link* |
| 20:37.13 | enouf | what the heck was that |
| 20:37.17 | abrotman | !tell pestilence about overwrite |
| 20:37.26 | enouf | peterS: I'm making up words again |
| 20:37.35 | deconvolution | peterS: it has been removed? never heard about this .... |
| 20:37.43 | abrotman | !tell pestilence about confmiss |
| 20:37.48 | pickcoder | ymliongk is neat |
| 20:37.52 | deconvolution | peterS: I am using a old sid branch |
| 20:37.55 | syntaxx | is there a way to undo accidentally remove directories? |
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| 20:38.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: thanks, I didn't know about confmiss |
| 20:38.27 | abrotman | i did! |
| 20:38.28 | Capso | enouf: Really. ;P |
| 20:38.31 | enouf | Capso: something like using the mkfontdir utility/command |
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| 20:38.41 | pickcoder | syntaxx: no |
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| 20:38.43 | deconvolution | peterS: so what's the replacement of uba1 ? |
| 20:38.52 | Capso | enouf: Alright... |
| 20:38.53 | pickcoder | syntaxx: unless you happen to a tar of the removed directory |
| 20:38.56 | pickcoder | brb |
| 20:39.03 | peterS | deconvolution: the usb_storage and sd_mod modules, and /dev/sda1 |
| 20:39.05 | lontra | how can i set up apt.conf to prefer testing over sid? i don't have X up right now so I can't go to the mixed systems link that dpkg spits out |
| 20:39.30 | jetx | !info lynx |
| 20:39.31 | Capso | enouf: Unfortunately, I myself am not using Debian, it's for a friend... I'm trying to get him to setup his Router to forward SSH Port so I can login and do this in realtime myself instead him typing and reading to me... |
| 20:39.31 | deconvolution | peterS: so it returns to the old approach? |
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| 20:39.36 | dpkg | lynx: (Text-mode WWW Browser), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8.5-2sarge1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1814 kB, Installed size: 4276 kB |
| 20:39.38 | pestilence | abrotman, that doesn't work for me. (i tried apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install ncurses-base and also dpkg -i --force-confmiss on the ncurses-base deb |
| 20:39.45 | peterS | deconvolution: ub was an alternative usb-storage driver that didn't use the scsi layer, but apparently it's a failed experiment, or something. I assume there's a reason recent debian kernels no longer enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB |
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| 20:40.21 | lontra | marillat.etch |
| 20:40.23 | abrotman | pestilence: what's the file in question ? |
| 20:40.31 | pestilence | abrotman, possibly because the conffiles are not "gone", they are just zero file size |
| 20:40.34 | deconvolution | peterS: so which user space package I should unload? |
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| 20:40.44 | pestilence | maybe i should just rm them and try again |
| 20:40.50 | abrotman | pestilence: file name ? |
| 20:40.57 | peterS | deconvolution: no user space package, just the 'ub' kernel module. then load 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' and try that |
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| 20:40.59 | pestilence | e.g. /etc/terminfo/x/xterm |
| 20:41.10 | abrotman | sarge ? |
| 20:41.14 | pestilence | abrotman, a bunch of them are missing, though. i haven't figured out why they are zero size |
| 20:41.19 | pestilence | abrotman, yes |
| 20:41.21 | deconvolution | peterS: i am using a custom kernel compiles |
| 20:41.30 | abrotman | pestilence: i really doubt those are conf files .. |
| 20:41.30 | deconvolution | peterS: i will check it |
| 20:41.35 | jelly-home | pestilence: sounds like a bit of a filesystem corruption. |
| 20:41.43 | pestilence | jelly-home, yea, that's what i suspect |
| 20:41.54 | peterS | deconvolution: well, ub may work for you. I'm just saying, there's probably a reason it was disabled again in recent debian kernels. if usb-storage also works for you, it's likely to be faster than ub. |
| 20:41.57 | Capso | enouf: Ping. |
| 20:42.01 | wobster | hi everyone. since the debian kernel-header have such a strange naming scheme, how can I determine the path to the header of the currently running kernel? |
| 20:42.04 | jelly-home | pestilence: is it anything but ext2/3? :-) |
| 20:42.07 | pestilence | jelly-home, i have to do some troubleshooting on this machine. it was a donated machine, so i think there was something wrong with it |
| 20:42.12 | pestilence | jelly-home, reiserfs |
| 20:42.14 | _fjh_ | syntaxx, normally not. You could try e2undel or recover if you use ext2, |
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| 20:42.33 | jelly-home | pestilence: yeah, reiserfs can do that on power failures. |
| 20:42.42 | Capso | enouf: /window 27 |
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| 20:42.46 | pestilence | jelly-home, hrmm....i don't recall a power failure. |
| 20:42.53 | Capso | enouf: Err... sorry for that... still.. are you up? |
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| 20:43.20 | deconvolution | peterS: the key problem to me is not about speed, but I just cannot format my usbdisk by using mkfs.vfat |
| 20:43.45 | peterS | shrug. take my suggestion or leave it |
| 20:43.56 | pestilence | abrotman, after i rm'd the files they reinstalled as expected. so i guess that's the answer. thanks |
| 20:44.30 | enouf | pong ;-) |
| 20:44.35 | enouf | Capso |
| 20:44.42 | jelly-home | abrotman, pestilence: eh, those really are conffiles in sarge. |
| 20:44.43 | Capso | enouf: Hey... |
| 20:44.57 | enouf | wtf ... is window27? |
| 20:45.03 | Capso | enouf: I also saw some message about it not finding NVIDIA GLX? |
| 20:45.14 | Capso | enouf: Oh... I blindly typed that... it's how I move across windows in irssi. |
| 20:45.46 | enouf | Capso: pastebin the output of 'cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep fonts' not sure how nV glx figures in just yet |
| 20:45.49 | jelly-home | Capso: you, sir, have a LOT of channels active! |
| 20:46.11 | peterS | jelly-home: half those windows are probably privmsgs with bots |
| 20:46.24 | pestilence | so if the memory in the system is bad, that could cause filesystem corruption...easily tested. what if the disk itself is bad? would you expect it to be giving tons of errors? and is there some easy way to test this without destroying the filesystems? |
| 20:46.31 | Capso | enouf: It shouldn't say that still, should it? |
| 20:46.40 | Capso | jelly-home: Tons. |
| 20:46.55 | enouf | Capso: huh? |
| 20:47.15 | Capso | enouf: Xorg shouldn't say anything about NVIDIA GLX, should it? |
| 20:47.48 | enouf | Capso: xorg.conf should most likely - we're talking fonts here ..no ? |
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| 20:48.08 | Capso | enouf: Right... fonts is the main thing... |
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| 20:48.21 | jbalcomb | Is /usr/local/sbin the correct location for a cronjob script to bzip2 my log files? |
| 20:48.22 | Capso | enouf: But Xorg ALSO says something about missing GLX with nVidia when I try to start it. |
| 20:48.49 | Capso | enouf: Xorg shouldn't hang, right? |
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| 20:48.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: stupid! |
| 20:48.51 | Capso | enouf: Maybe I accidentally installed Xorg-7.1? |
| 20:49.07 | enouf | Capso: xorg WILL HANG if it can't find Fonts, Mouse or Keyboard , not to mention a Graphics driver |
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| 20:49.10 | Capso | enouf: Because the nVidia driver is 8762 (8774 isn't in the repo yet for Debian, i think).. |
| 20:49.17 | Capso | enouf: Ah. |
| 20:49.48 | enouf | Capso ; are you going to pastebin something or not |
| 20:49.53 | Capso | enouf: And is there any debian check for if it's Xorg 7.0 or 7.1 with the respective nVidia driver? |
| 20:50.00 | Capso | enouf: I will... in just a bit... |
| 20:50.07 | Capso | enouf: I have to get into that computer via SSH, first. |
| 20:50.40 | Capso | enouf: The guy's working on forwarding Port 22 from his Router to his Debian Machine. I'm just discussing with you till then. |
| 20:50.48 | enouf | apt-cache policy xorg |
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| 20:51.18 | Capso | enouf: Alright. Just a second. |
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| 20:51.54 | enouf | Capso tell me this is NOT ubuntu or mixed packages fro non-debian repos |
| 20:53.30 | deconvolution | peterS: I check my kernel setting and could not find ub module |
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| 20:54.34 | peterS | deconvolution: I told you where it is, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB. this occurs in the block device menu right near ramdisk support. |
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| 20:55.06 | peterS | deconvolution: the other usb-storage module, which is just named usb-storage, requires 'scsi disk support', but the actual module is under USB devices |
| 20:55.18 | g333k_work | hi when installinh debian it asks me for a Mirror, but I cant connect to any ftp because I'm behind a firewall and proxy, what mirror should I use? (I mean a http mirror) |
| 20:55.21 | unixslut | unsure |
| 20:55.41 | peterS | g333k_work: why aren't you just using the default? |
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| 20:56.29 | axolx | hey guys - i screwed up. i changed /etc/hosts and removed my hostname from there. now i can't edit any file on the machine because `sudo` returns `sudo: unable to lookup removedhostname via gethostbyname()` i also never activated the root user in this machine. any way to go arround this? |
| 20:56.34 | noor | hi guys |
| 20:56.40 | noor | i have a question.. |
| 20:56.49 | peterS | axolx: yeah, just log in directly as root and fix it |
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| 20:57.10 | axolx | peterS: i never set up a password for root |
| 20:57.12 | noor | im studying linux+, do i have to study that on redhat or debian based distros.. |
| 20:57.13 | peterS | axolx: what do you mean, you "never activated the root user"? this is done automatically by debian-installer |
| 20:57.14 | noor | thank you |
| 20:57.42 | g333k_work | peterS, what is the default? |
| 20:57.44 | peterS | axolx: you make it sound like Ubuntu or something |
| 20:57.45 | garou | axolx: You could use a LiveCD to gain root access. |
| 20:58.01 | axolx | peterS: hmm. then i don't remember the root password i guess. i just never used it because rely on sudo |
| 20:58.16 | garou | Hi, by the way. |
| 20:58.32 | peterS | axolx: I guess the thing to do is to boot with the command-line parameter 'init=/bin/sh rw' |
| 20:58.43 | noor | im studying linux+, do i have to study that on redhat or debian based distros.. |
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| 20:59.00 | axolx | peterS: garou : thanks. i guess i'll have to do a rescue procedure. bummer |
| 20:59.13 | e-type | noor: how come you don't know that yourself? |
| 20:59.15 | peterS | noor: I don't understand your question. how should we know what you should study? |
| 20:59.39 | struct | study what? |
| 20:59.49 | jetx | what is study |
| 21:00.03 | noor | peterS: do i have to install fedora or ubuntu to study for the exams..any difference in the commands ?? |
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| 21:00.11 | noor | linux+ |
| 21:00.21 | peterS | noor: wtf, what is linux+ and why do you think we know anything about it? |
| 21:00.25 | jetx | you better get better 'find out' skills |
| 21:00.29 | Tallu | noor: maybe you should buy some material related to it |
| 21:00.29 | struct | what is linux+? |
| 21:00.31 | jetx | seriuosly |
| 21:00.42 | Tallu | I for one have never heard of it |
| 21:00.43 | S4nD3r | jelly-home, I triyng your tip |
| 21:00.48 | S4nD3r | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" -f install |
| 21:00.53 | Malagmyr | Do any of you happen to have an idea on how I can get my Windoze box to not share "Printers and Faxes" (while keeping the other shares)? |
| 21:01.03 | cydork | noor, fedora it's some kind of hat right? what the hell is ubuntu ? |
| 21:01.20 | peterS | Malagmyr: not in #debian, we don't |
| 21:01.20 | jetx | turn sharing off on the desired items |
| 21:01.26 | jetx | #windows |
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| 21:01.32 | jetx | ## rather |
| 21:01.52 | Malagmyr | oh my. there actually is a windows channel on here... I always thought you guys were joking when you told others about that. whoa. |
| 21:02.18 | jetx | :o |
| 21:02.24 | jetx | zomg! |
| 21:02.31 | syntaxx | noor quitted.. i guess linux+ is his subject :D |
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| 21:02.46 | struct | hhhmmmm |
| 21:02.56 | struct | linux+ == http://certification.comptia.org/linux/ I think |
| 21:03.07 | tuv | is there a way to install a bios update packaged in a windows installer exe? |
| 21:03.36 | peterS | tuv: wow, is this Windows Help Day in #debian? |
| 21:03.37 | jetx | freedos if you just have to |
| 21:03.50 | jetx | you can get the files out of the self extracting .exe |
| 21:03.54 | peterS | oh, you're wondering if there's a way to _extract_ that, in Debian. I get it. |
| 21:04.07 | jetx | apt-cache search self extracting or so |
| 21:04.12 | jetx | i forget the pkg name |
| 21:04.16 | tuv | peterS, i'm running debian only on a laptop for which a bios update is available only for windows |
| 21:04.27 | garou | If anybody else shows up and wonders why the ATI installer doesn't work for him, please tell them to set CC=gcc-4.0 because the kernel is built with 4.0.4 (assuming they too are usind sid). |
| 21:04.29 | Malagmyr | On a more on-topic note, do any of you have an idea on how I can get samba to log to <sharename>.log? It usually logs to %m.log, meaning all logs end up being named <name of connecting machine>.log. I want it sorted by the share name instead. My logs directory gets completely stuffed at lan parties the way it is now. |
| 21:04.53 | jetx | #samba maybe |
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| 21:05.21 | tuv | jetx, it doesn't seem to be a self extracting exe. faild to open it with winrar. it's a windows installer exe |
| 21:05.52 | jetx | there are packages in sources |
| 21:06.04 | jetx | two diff varieties you might try... not rar |
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| 21:06.21 | Malagmyr | I tried #samba. Nobody really looks at that channel. They just pretend. |
| 21:06.41 | Capso | enouf: Ping? |
| 21:06.47 | struct | im bored |
| 21:06.56 | peterS | !' |
| 21:06.56 | cydork | !beer struct |
| 21:06.57 | dpkg | How to Use Apostrophes: http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif |
| 21:07.11 | struct | still bored |
| 21:07.21 | Eulex | !pony struct |
| 21:07.25 | struct | hhmmmm |
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| 21:07.42 | struct | Eulex: am I to eat this? |
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| 21:07.50 | Kthulu | hi |
| 21:07.50 | peterS | struct: yeah, try to limit how many times you tell us you're bored. hearing it is not any more interesting for us than saying it is for you. |
| 21:08.02 | struct | peterS: im bored |
| 21:08.02 | jetx | there's one named mscompress... or was that the description |
| 21:08.05 | Eulex | struct, why not? :) |
| 21:08.05 | enouf | deconvolution: not sure if it helps ot not - first did you partition the drive to actually make uba1, etc? and 2nd you have dosfsutils installed to maybe help along - though it may be a /dev/uba issue as peterS stated |
| 21:08.05 | jetx | i forget |
| 21:08.13 | enouf | Capso: pong |
| 21:08.18 | jetx | apt-cache search something |
| 21:08.29 | Kthulu | where can I find Debian etch source repositoryes to add to my apt-source list ? |
| 21:08.31 | Kthulu | where can I find Debian etch source repositoryes to add to my apt-source list ? |
| 21:08.32 | peterS | struct: yeah, please don't say that again. if you don't have anything debian-related to discuss ... don't. |
| 21:08.35 | Kthulu | where can I find Debian etch source repositoryes to add to my apt-source list ? |
| 21:08.41 | peterS | Kthulu: calm down |
| 21:08.41 | syntaxx | woah nice repeat |
| 21:08.45 | Capso | enouf: No... it's real Debian. Not Ubuntu... not the other thing. Real Debian. |
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| 21:08.53 | jetx | use a package manager and look in the archive or otherfs sections |
| 21:08.53 | enouf | Capso : nice |
| 21:08.59 | Kthulu | peterS, ok , but plz tell me |
| 21:09.04 | enouf | Capso : dpkg -l xorg |
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| 21:09.11 | jetx | Kthulu: apt-spy |
| 21:09.16 | tuv | jetx, file's output: PHBSYS-00877820-UN.EXE: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 21:09.27 | jetx | Kthulu: linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list maybe |
| 21:09.30 | tuv | jetx, and file-roller failed to recognize the file |
| 21:09.32 | struct | peterS: who pissed in your coffee? |
| 21:09.48 | peterS | struct: if you don't have anything constructive to say, just don't. thanks. |
| 21:09.52 | Kurtism | 1 in 4 people suffers from a mental illness. if your 3 best friends are ok, then that person is YOU |
| 21:10.00 | peterS | tuv: see if 'zipinfo' (from the unzip package) thinks it is a zip file |
| 21:10.12 | jetx | tuv: there are programs in sources, apt-gettable, that do mscompress and those instalshield .exe things |
| 21:10.22 | jetx | i don't remember the names |
| 21:10.35 | Kurtism | how come I can't apt-get liblame-dev ? |
| 21:10.42 | jetx | when i say mscompress i mean the installer one |
| 21:10.50 | Kurtism | I'm using etch beta2 |
| 21:10.51 | peterS | Kurtism: because lame isn't in debian, because Debian can't afford the patent license fees |
| 21:10.52 | jetx | Kurtism: probably need marillat |
| 21:10.57 | tuv | petemc, zipinfo doesn't think it's a zip file |
| 21:11.01 | Kurtism | marillat? |
| 21:11.08 | jetx | /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:11.26 | tuv | is anyone aware of a boot cd with which i can install such a bios update? |
| 21:11.30 | e-type | peterS: I had a fun adventure some time ago... tried to explain people at emusic that lame prolly is not as free software as they thought... |
| 21:11.33 | e-type | big mistake |
| 21:11.51 | Kurtism | thank you very much jetx |
| 21:11.58 | jetx | tuv: there are such in sources... :) maybe ultimatebootcd, |
| 21:12.02 | jetx | also |
| 21:12.03 | peterS | e-type: people get pretty militant about those things. some people are easily confused between "this is what the law says" and "this is what I think would make sense" |
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| 21:12.13 | struct | peterS: seems like lots of people are talking about things not debian related. |
| 21:12.18 | struct | peterS: whats that about? |
| 21:12.33 | peterS | struct: just don't contribute to the problem, ok? |
| 21:12.44 | jetx | this is the riffraff #debian, the purists are on oftc... :O |
| 21:13.05 | jetx | !worship peterS |
| 21:13.18 | struct | peterS: I dont see you telling anyone else to either shut up or keep it debian related. You have different rules for different people? |
| 21:13.19 | peterS | and nobody but dpkg even knows what 'to genuflect' means |
| 21:13.30 | jetx | and me |
| 21:13.39 | jetx | i even know what is kowtow |
| 21:13.40 | peterS | struct: yes, yes I do. people who actively contribute to the channel are treated more leniently than joe blow off the street. |
| 21:14.00 | struct | peterS: ive been here for at least 2 years |
| 21:14.06 | struct | peterS: so again whats up with that? |
| 21:14.10 | Kurtism | I've been trying to get mplayer and vdr to work together |
| 21:14.11 | jetx | n00b! :) j/ik |
| 21:14.21 | jetx | #mplayer |
| 21:14.22 | Kurtism | but the dependencies couldn't be apt-get'ed |
| 21:14.25 | peterS | struct: people who use apostrophes also annoy me less than people who don't. as an aside. |
| 21:14.37 | Kurtism | its cause I didn't have the right "unofficial" apt sources |
| 21:14.45 | Kurtism | I had ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 21:14.54 | Kurtism | this should work |
| 21:14.55 | peterS | struct: also, "im bored" is not only off-topic, it's not even _amusing_. |
| 21:14.57 | jetx | yeah i forget that change too |
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| 21:15.17 | peterS | struct: particularly the second or third time you say it. as though you think our job is to entertain you and we're not getting the point fast enough. |
| 21:15.18 | jetx | i had it on this laptop and was wondering about it last week... 'wtf/???' |
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| 21:15.36 | Kurtism | apt-get source faac <-- this refused to work |
| 21:15.40 | struct | peterS: ok well I apologize for saying I am bored. However I could care less what annoys you and what doesnt < notice no ' in doesnt |
| 21:15.47 | Capso | enouf: Ping? |
| 21:15.47 | Kurtism | apt-get source faad2 <-- this too |
| 21:15.59 | digits | is it possible to restore the original config files for a package? |
| 21:16.01 | Capso | enouf: I'm now in the Computer... so I can paste whatever you need. |
| 21:16.02 | jetx | maybe no source on marrilat |
| 21:16.04 | jetx | but... |
| 21:16.10 | peterS | digits: only by purging and reinstalling the package |
| 21:16.13 | jetx | it's deb-src for source lines |
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| 21:16.29 | jetx | and i don't recall seeing such a line for marillat... no idea |
| 21:16.54 | Kurtism | arrgh gpg errors |
| 21:17.07 | jetx | ignorable, but dpkg has the fix |
| 21:17.09 | struct | jetx: its http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:17.13 | Kvant | digits, or by digging them out of the .deb :) |
| 21:17.29 | jetx | !keys |
| 21:17.39 | jetx | !apt-key |
| 21:17.46 | jetx | something like that |
| 21:17.50 | possie | arsenipple: well for the debian update-alternatives a simple google for it got me this good document describing the basics http://blog.stevenkroon.com/2006/08/29/debian-update-alternatives/ |
| 21:17.52 | digits | peteS, Kvant: ok |
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| 21:18.03 | jetx | you can go to gnupg.org or so and look it up. |
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| 21:18.26 | enouf | tuv: ping? |
| 21:18.33 | enouf | Capso : pastebin the output of 'cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep fonts' and also 'less /etc/x11/xorg.conf ' paste that too - use up/down to scroll and 'q' to quit |
| 21:18.35 | peterS | digits: I'd do it with: dpkg --purge --force-depends packagename; aptitude install packagename |
| 21:18.58 | Kurtism | gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
| 21:19.08 | peterS | digits: the --force-depends prevents any whining about removing a package other things depend on, since _you_ know the system will get the package back immediately anyway |
| 21:19.15 | jetx | that looks familiar |
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| 21:19.26 | tuv | enouf, pong |
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| 21:19.40 | jetx | pornopong! |
| 21:19.42 | enouf | Capso : one more 'egrep' - hold that thought a sec |
| 21:19.52 | enouf | tuv: whas up with the BIOS thing |
| 21:19.59 | struct | pornopong? |
| 21:20.19 | jetx | now for a factoid... |
| 21:20.20 | Capso | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/153809 |
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| 21:20.22 | enouf | !bongswat struct |
| 21:20.25 | jetx | yeah i just made it up |
| 21:20.28 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:20.33 | tuv | enouf, i need to update the bios but the update utility is windows-only (windows installer exe) |
| 21:20.48 | struct | bongswat? |
| 21:20.53 | peterS | jetx: making up useless factoids _seems_ clever until you realise that 1000 other people can do it too, then it starts to seem lame |
| 21:21.03 | jetx | pornopong: 166 |
| 21:21.07 | enouf | tuv: usually a flash update can be done (extracted) to a floppy |
| 21:21.11 | jetx | only for originals |
| 21:21.22 | jetx | i didn't coin that one :( |
| 21:21.33 | Kurtism | windows won't install if you have apic mode enabled in the bios |
| 21:21.34 | Capso | enouf: apt-cache policy xorg returns: http://pastebin.ca/153810 |
| 21:21.44 | enouf | tuv: then you boot the Floppy - but you need to prepare it accordingly prior to booting obvu\iously |
| 21:21.56 | peterS | neither pornopong nor bongswat have anything to do with debian. this is why we have a #debian-offtopic floating around somewhere. please use it. |
| 21:21.59 | enouf | Capso: hang in there |
| 21:22.34 | peoro | are there repositories (even unofficial ones) containing team speak? |
| 21:23.05 | jetx | i believe i've seen a program for that in sources but i could easily be wrong |
| 21:23.32 | peterS | peoro: if nobody else knows, you can always ask apt-get.org and dotdeb.org |
| 21:23.36 | Guerin | peoro: ntt bomk, since it's not free software |
| 21:23.55 | peoro | ok, i'll try on apt-get.org and dotdeb.org |
| 21:23.57 | struct | wow this sucks |
| 21:24.09 | enouf | Capso: Ok - first - remove the (comment them out using a # in the beginning) 'unstable' lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:24.16 | peoro | "ntt bomk" -> what does it mean? |
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| 21:24.25 | peterS | peoro: "not to the best of my knowledge" |
| 21:24.26 | Guerin | !nttbomk |
| 21:24.27 | dpkg | Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
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| 21:24.29 | Guerin | yeah |
| 21:24.34 | enouf | tuv: yo yo ma ? |
| 21:24.40 | tuv | enouf, i tried extracting the exe, but couldn't |
| 21:24.55 | enouf | tuv: did you format the floppy in DOS? |
| 21:24.55 | Capso | enouf: And xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/153813 |
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| 21:25.17 | peterS | tuv: yeah you'd think bios vendors could just ship their updates as a 1440 kB floppy disk image |
| 21:25.17 | peoro | oh, ok :) |
| 21:25.32 | tuv | enouf, i can't use a floppy - laptop. but i can't see what's in the installer exe, couldn't open it |
| 21:25.33 | peterS | tuv: then a simple matter of 'cp foo.bin /dev/fd0' |
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| 21:25.43 | Kurtism | /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:26.00 | tuv | peterS, i can't get to any foo.bin thing |
| 21:26.01 | Capso | enouf: I removed the unstable lines. |
| 21:26.16 | peterS | tuv: yeah, I'm just saying, it's too bad the bios vendors can't just use _that_ |
| 21:26.21 | tuv | enouf, peterS: all i have is a windows installer exe that i cannot extract |
| 21:26.25 | pickcoder | tuv: can you not obtain a hex of the BIOS? |
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| 21:26.56 | Grund | jest ktos z polski ? |
| 21:27.04 | e-type | Grund: eh? :) |
| 21:27.12 | tuv | peterS, toshiba usually provides an exe and a zip bios downloads, but sony sucks |
| 21:27.17 | peterS | e-type: he's asking about Polish speakers, I guess |
| 21:27.30 | Grund | yes |
| 21:27.42 | kspath | Grund: moge #debian.pl or #debian-pl |
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| 21:27.55 | kspath | albo |
| 21:28.04 | jetx | ok there's 3.. i never tried... |
| 21:28.06 | Grund | na debian.pl jest jedna osoba :) |
| 21:28.09 | jetx | !info orange |
| 21:28.15 | dpkg | orange: (extracts CAB files from self-extracting installers), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 21:28.18 | e-type | peterS: I was going to answer '42' :) |
| 21:28.25 | kspath | !pl |
| 21:28.25 | dpkg | [pl] sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 21:28.43 | jetx | !info unshield |
| 21:28.50 | dpkg | unshield: (extracts CAB files from InstallShield installers), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 21:29.01 | Grund | kspath chodz na debian.pl |
| 21:29.03 | jetx | there's 2 outta 3 |
| 21:29.12 | Capso | enouf? |
| 21:29.15 | jetx | so which of the 3 did you try |
| 21:29.23 | kspath | Grund: my polish is VERY weak |
| 21:29.47 | Grund | oki |
| 21:29.48 | jetx | !seen mwilson |
| 21:29.48 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 316d 23m 25s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 21:29.54 | jetx | damn |
| 21:30.00 | jetx | i miss him |
| 21:30.06 | peterS | jetx: wow, yeah, it's been almost a year since he was banned |
| 21:30.06 | enouf | Capso ; add this to the very top where the font listing are in /etc/x11/xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/153818 |
| 21:30.11 | jetx | well ok not miss |
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| 21:30.23 | bashte | How can i stress my system to test it? |
| 21:30.28 | jetx | heh |
| 21:30.36 | jetx | there's packages in sources to do that |
| 21:30.41 | jetx | apt-cache search |
| 21:30.41 | pickcoder | bashte: bonnie and stress |
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| 21:30.55 | kspath | bashte: what part of system? storage? cpu? |
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| 21:31.10 | Guerin | bashte: the ultimate bootcd |
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| 21:31.54 | nvz | bashte: run a flash applet |
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| 21:32.06 | jetx | mencoder! |
| 21:32.21 | bashte | kspath: I don't know, I have this really old motherboard (lucky star k7vat) that freezes totally randomly in windows, want to test if it's the same thing in linux |
| 21:32.22 | jetx | encode some x264 on quality settings |
| 21:32.23 | enouf | tuv: still problems? post me the URL to the d/l BIOS update EXE - I have to see this POS for myself |
| 21:32.26 | pickcoder | bashte: bonnie is a good disk I/O benchmark/tester |
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| 21:32.58 | pickcoder | bashte: stress allows you to specify quantities of several types of hogs to run. |
| 21:33.03 | tuv | enouf, page: http://esupport.sony.com/CA/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=VGNS560P&upd_id=2033&os_id=7. file: ftp://download.sony.com/CA/pc/PHBSYS-00877820-UN.EXE |
| 21:33.08 | jetx | tuv ^^ |
| 21:33.08 | Capso | enouf: Did that. |
| 21:33.10 | bashte | pickcoder: ill try it |
| 21:33.15 | Capso | enouf: What next? |
| 21:33.41 | tuv | jetx, mencoder? |
| 21:33.47 | jetx | no above that |
| 21:33.53 | jetx | orange and unshield |
| 21:33.56 | enouf | Capso: well once you're sure it's done reboot and try it :-) wait -- tell me what you did exactly now |
| 21:33.57 | jetx | and one other |
| 21:34.21 | tuv | enouf, my lunch is waiting.. i'll be back in a few minutes |
| 21:34.27 | enouf | tuv : d/ling now |
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| 21:34.41 | enouf | tuv : Ok - go EAT! yumm ...:-) |
| 21:34.43 | Capso | enouf: I commented out the unstable lines in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main and deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free .. |
| 21:34.57 | Capso | enouf: And then I added those two lines to xorg.conf that you pasted on the pastebin. |
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| 21:35.02 | Capso | enouf: That's all. |
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| 21:37.16 | enouf | Capso ;; pastebin the output of 'cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep fonts' and 'egrep 'WW|EE' /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
| 21:37.37 | Capso | enouf: I didn't try to start up Xorg again, yet... |
| 21:37.41 | Capso | enouf: Should I do that, first? |
| 21:37.50 | enouf | Capso - before therre was the x wasn;t capitalized that's why it didn't work |
| 21:37.57 | enouf | Capso - Yes ..pleas do |
| 21:38.15 | Capso | enouf: Oh... no errors. |
| 21:38.43 | enouf | Capso - Note how the /var/log/Xorg uses a capital - yet /etc/x11/xorg.conf is lowercase x -- ugh! |
| 21:38.52 | Capso | Yeah... |
| 21:38.54 | Capso | I fixed that. |
| 21:38.58 | Capso | enouf: Uh... |
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| 21:39.06 | enouf | Capso: no errors where? |
| 21:39.08 | Capso | I think his Computer hung when I started X. |
| 21:39.08 | Capso | :/ |
| 21:39.17 | Capso | Yeah... |
| 21:39.17 | Capso | Shit. |
| 21:39.22 | Capso | Going to tell him to reboot now. |
| 21:39.22 | Capso | :/ |
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| 21:39.43 | Capso | enouf: His Machine hung as I started X... :/ |
| 21:39.59 | enouf | Capso - it figures... |
| 21:40.14 | enouf | Capso - his is windoze ? |
| 21:40.28 | Capso | Hm? |
| 21:40.42 | Capso | His Machine is the one with Debian on it... |
| 21:40.46 | Capso | I'm SSH'ed into it right now. |
| 21:40.58 | Capso | Well... now it's hung so. :/ |
| 21:41.48 | Capso | enouf: I'll read you the Xorg.0.log as soon as he reboots. |
| 21:42.15 | enouf | Capso - ok - and yours is ? |
| 21:42.28 | Capso | enouf: I have a Gentoo, SlackWare, and LFS... |
| 21:42.39 | enouf | slaps vmware for CHodapp |
| 21:42.56 | Capso | enouf: I'm helping him get Debian up on his Machine. |
| 21:42.58 | enouf | Capso - oh -so we're helping him? |
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| 21:43.04 | Capso | enouf: Yes. |
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| 21:43.10 | enouf | Capso - ahhh ok ... |
| 21:43.17 | CHodapp | now why does Debian want to remove Firefox in my chroot when I try to remove gcc-4.1 so I can have gcc-4.0? |
| 21:43.36 | Fare | hi. Are there installations of debian tailored for USB keys? |
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| 21:43.58 | Fare | chodapp: maybe because of libg++ dependencies |
| 21:44.19 | CHodapp | gaaaaaaah |
| 21:44.33 | CHodapp | this is one major PITA... I don't remember why it upgraded me in the first place |
| 21:44.50 | CHodapp | I built my kernel and MadWifi with 4.0 |
| 21:44.52 | Capso | enouf: Alright... |
| 21:44.56 | eXiSt | how can i see running services at debian and how can i disable them |
| 21:45.01 | Capso | enouf: Now I can see his Xorg.0.log ... |
| 21:45.21 | enouf | Capso - and thw winner is ? |
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| 21:45.45 | enouf | eXiST : /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 21:46.36 | Capso | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/153830 |
| 21:47.00 | enouf | eXiST : excellent companion article here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 21:48.03 | eXiSt | thank you |
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| 21:48.12 | Capso | enouf: The last thing I see in Xorg.0.log is: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
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| 21:48.26 | Capso | enouf: So, I'm guessing it hung while trying to load the glx module? |
| 21:49.33 | Capso | enouf: Any ideas about that? |
| 21:49.46 | enouf | Capso: patience ... |
| 21:50.04 | enouf | please:-) |
| 21:50.10 | Capso | Take your time. |
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| 21:50.46 | roler | can one enable LFS (Large File Support) without re-formatting? |
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| 21:51.59 | enouf | Capso> enouf: So, I'm guessing it hung while trying to load the glx module? - I wouldn't say so -- I think you need to link to where the Fonts are located as I was saying earlier |
| 21:52.26 | enouf | Capso: (II) is good |
| 21:52.35 | Capso | enouf: But it got past the fonts... it got down to glx... and then there was no more info in the log. |
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| 21:53.00 | Capso | enouf: You want the II from the log, too? |
| 21:53.07 | enouf | Capso : The WW and EE are not good - did you even read the output of the file yhou pasted - hehehe |
| 21:53.18 | Capso | enouf: I did. |
| 21:53.22 | Guerin | ooh, etch beta3 realises automatically that I don't want 'desktop' on my p120 with 48MB |
| 21:53.31 | Guerin | that's clevar |
| 21:53.34 | Capso | enouf: There were no EE.. just WW... |
| 21:53.47 | enouf | Capso : no not neccesary - the (II) nmeans installed and working basically |
| 21:53.47 | tuv | enouf, any findings? |
| 21:53.59 | Guerin | wtf |
| 21:54.02 | enouf | tuv: dang you eat fast : -) |
| 21:54.08 | Capso | enouf: Right. |
| 21:54.09 | Guerin | (II) in x logs means 'Informational' |
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| 21:54.21 | tuv | enouf, not usually, but didn't want to miss you |
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| 21:54.30 | Capso | enouf: Anyways... yeah, I really don't have any of those files anywhere. |
| 21:54.38 | Capso | enouf: Should I install xfonts-base? |
| 21:54.45 | enouf | tuv: Not reallly - it looks like crap like it;'s an msi or installshild that can onkly be run from within Windoze -- BUT i haven;t actually dissected the file yet ...so |
| 21:54.52 | tuv | enouf, although it was a fine meal, with tabboleh (middle-eastern salad) |
| 21:55.12 | enouf | tuv: See if youcan view it using a HexEditor and find out the header info and match it up |
| 21:55.42 | enouf | tuv: I'm around for atleast another little while ... |
| 21:55.47 | Capso | enouf: Trying to install xfonts-base, it outputs: xfonts-base: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:56.07 | enouf | Capso - thought you already have that ? |
| 21:56.14 | Capso | enouf: No... I don't. |
| 21:56.22 | enouf | oh |
| 21:56.23 | tuv | enouf, ok, but before i do that, is there a way to run this exe update utility from a boot cd (some sort of rescue cd or something)? |
| 21:56.31 | Capso | enouf: I don't have it because of that. |
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| 21:56.44 | enouf | tuv: perhaps look at ultimatebootcd.com |
| 21:56.56 | petemc | tuv: you can download dos6 bootdisks from numberous places |
| 21:57.15 | enouf | tuv: look at Bart;s Preinstalled Environement |
| 21:57.16 | SJr|Work | What is the standard way to disconnect PPPd? |
| 21:57.24 | tuv | petemc, will they run graphical windows installer exe's? |
| 21:57.32 | petemc | tuv: oh, no |
| 21:57.55 | enouf | Capso 'dpkg -l xfree86-common' |
| 21:58.18 | Capso | enouf: rc xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure |
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| 21:59.06 | enouf | Capso: hmmm ... mines a bit newr rc xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure |
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| 21:59.23 | Capso | I need xfree86-common for Xorg? |
| 21:59.24 | enouf | Capso: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:59.38 | Capso | Doing. |
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| 22:00.00 | enouf | Capso rememeber though we comented out the Unstable lines - so that may be a factor here |
| 22:00.11 | Capso | enouf: Yeah. |
| 22:00.18 | Lolita13 | you can get it if you really want |
| 22:00.25 | enouf | hang tight all a few moments please |
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| 22:01.31 | Capso | enouf: Alright... it finished... |
| 22:01.38 | Capso | enouf: But it didn't upgrade xfree86-common. |
| 22:01.57 | Capso | enouf: And 'apt-get install xfree86-common' still says the same thing. |
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| 22:02.17 | enouf | Capso : you dont want that anyway (IIRC) |
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| 22:02.41 | Fale | hello |
| 22:02.47 | Capso | Err... |
| 22:02.54 | Capso | enouf: I'm sorry... I said that wrong... |
| 22:03.07 | Capso | enouf: And 'apt-get install xfonts-base'*** still says the same thing. |
| 22:04.08 | Fale | is there any metod to assign max number of processes to an Shel user? |
| 22:04.22 | Capso | enouf: So... for some reason, xfree86-common is its dependency... |
| 22:04.31 | Capso | enouf: And so, it's not getting installed. :/ |
| 22:04.50 | enouf | Capso : hold on ... I'm just not exactkly sure what the 'rc' means --- Okie - Uncomment the lines for unstable in sources.list and start again woth the update and upgrade ... BUT check for pinning in /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/apt_references oris it just /etc/apt_preferences |
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| 22:05.30 | Capso | enouf: I have two lines in apt.conf ... |
| 22:05.33 | Capso | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 22:05.35 | Capso | APT::Cache-Limit "141943904"; |
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| 22:05.46 | Capso | enouf: I needed those because of some MMAP limit I ran across earlier. |
| 22:05.48 | shalamar7 | hi all |
| 22:05.50 | Fale | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.20 | enouf | Capso: IOW -- wondering why the cache policy is at 800 for testing and 500 for unstable -- OH!! ...change the 'Sarge' to 'Testing' |
| 22:06.31 | shalamar7 | is there any way to tell apt where to keep it's package cache? |
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| 22:06.47 | Capso | enouf: What? |
| 22:06.49 | shalamar7 | synaptic has not setting for it |
| 22:07.08 | shalamar7 | it doesn't seem to be in the config files either |
| 22:07.10 | enouf | Capso: Change the SargeAPT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 22:07.10 | enouf | [18:01:23] <Capso> APT::Cache-Limit "141943904" |
| 22:07.13 | Capso | enouf: Sorry... I didn't understand that. |
| 22:07.15 | enouf | whoops |
| 22:07.24 | Capso | Oh... |
| 22:07.28 | Capso | Change it to TestingAPT? |
| 22:07.34 | enouf | Capso : like this --> APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
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| 22:07.57 | Capso | Ah. |
| 22:08.16 | enouf | Capso : Now do the update and upgrade again |
| 22:08.16 | shalamar7 | anyone? |
| 22:08.36 | Capso | enouf: Lots of upgrades. ;P |
| 22:08.41 | enouf | :-) |
| 22:08.47 | marculix | Fale: checkout 'ulimit -a' (processes) |
| 22:09.36 | Capso | enouf: Then try 'apt-get install xfonts-base' again? |
| 22:10.01 | lontra | i added the marillat key and it's complaining about the marillat key when i run apt-get update |
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| 22:10.32 | shalamar7 | no one knows? |
| 22:10.35 | Capso | enouf: 103 packages kept back... 19 upgraded... |
| 22:11.05 | Fale | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.29 | Capso | enouf: Um... |
| 22:11.32 | shalamar7 | marcullx answered: Fale: checkout 'ulimit -a' (processes) |
| 22:11.34 | Capso | enouf: Installed xfonts-base. |
| 22:11.42 | Capso | enouf: Got some warnings, though: |
| 22:11.50 | Capso | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory |
| 22:11.50 | Capso | warning: /etc/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory |
| 22:11.50 | Capso | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory |
| 22:11.57 | Capso | (Hope you don't mind the paste.) |
| 22:12.12 | Fale | no...my problem is to lock the max number of processes |
| 22:12.15 | enouf | No...don;t paste anymore than 1 line even |
| 22:12.26 | enouf | use pastebin nect time please :-) |
| 22:12.30 | enouf | next* |
| 22:12.31 | Capso | enouf: Alright... sorry for that. |
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| 22:13.02 | enouf | Capso : hrmmm ...ok - lemme ponder a moment |
| 22:13.07 | Capso | enouf: Alright... xfonts-base package installed... with those warnings... but still don't have 100dpi, 75dpi, etc. in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ . |
| 22:14.05 | shalamar7 | my man has no entry for ulimit |
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| 22:14.21 | enouf | Capso: Time to try a drxx! 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' -- goodness I hope I'm not making it worse :-( |
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| 22:14.36 | Capso | enouf: I don't have xserver or xfs installed, by the way. |
| 22:14.41 | Capso | enouf: Should I install either of those? |
| 22:15.00 | enouf | Capso : I want to point you to some links wioth some info about those font paths |
| 22:15.21 | enouf | Capso: yes you have to have xserver installed (well your bud does) |
| 22:15.31 | Capso | Alright. |
| 22:15.39 | Capso | How did xserver-xorg get installed, but not xserver? |
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| 22:16.04 | enouf | Capso: let's atleast keep it clear whose box we;re talking about ..ok ? :-) |
| 22:16.29 | enouf | Capso: You need Xserver even before the rest of X |
| 22:16.45 | Capso | un xserver <none> (no description available) |
| 22:17.03 | enouf | Capso: well it's now called Xorg :-p |
| 22:17.20 | Capso | Crap... |
| 22:17.33 | Capso | I installed xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-100dpi, and xfonts-scalable... |
| 22:17.40 | enouf | Capso do this to see what I mean 'dpkg -l | grep xorg*' |
| 22:17.42 | Capso | They all gave me warnings about the inexistent DIRs. |
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| 22:18.01 | Capso | enouf: That doesn't come up with anything. |
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| 22:18.58 | enouf | Capso ; really ? Are you sure you Uncommented Unstable in cources.list and saved the file? |
| 22:19.06 | Capso | Yeah... |
| 22:19.06 | enouf | sources.list |
| 22:19.16 | Capso | enouf: I see lots of xserver-xorg-* packages... |
| 22:19.23 | Capso | enouf: But none that start with xorg* |
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| 22:19.50 | enouf | Capso : what's the problem? |
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| 22:20.12 | Capso | enouf: I installed the fonts packages... |
| 22:20.20 | Guerin | huzzah, i have a watch again |
| 22:20.23 | Capso | enouf: But the fonts DIRs were not made... seemingly, the fonts were not installed. |
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| 22:20.34 | enouf | Capso : who cares what they start with ? - YEs font pkg installed and...? |
| 22:20.43 | enouf | Capso: Ok |
| 22:20.54 | Capso | enouf: When I installed the fonts packages... they all gave me warnings about missing DIRs. |
| 22:21.13 | enouf | Capso: did you do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 22:21.45 | Capso | Oh, not yet. |
| 22:21.51 | Guerin | date |
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| 22:21.57 | Guerin | !date |
| 22:21.57 | dpkg | The current date is 2006.08.29 22:21:57 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 22:22.26 | marsje | how do I setup pine to not ask me my IMAP username/password everytime? |
| 22:22.45 | Capso | enouf: Use Kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 22:23.07 | Guerin | marsje: use a real mail client |
| 22:23.45 | Capso | enouf: Alright... ran it... |
| 22:23.50 | marsje | Guerin: like...? |
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| 22:23.56 | Guerin | marsje: mutt |
| 22:23.56 | Capso | enouf: But still, the font DIRs don't exist. |
| 22:23.57 | enouf | Capso: before i forget some links http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=8321 and http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=29852 found through a google using xfree86 to Xorg mkfontdir "debian" Also go over the http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 article |
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| 22:24.10 | marsje | Guerin: I tried mutt and I can't work with it... |
| 22:24.37 | enouf | Capso : look into using the 'mkfontdir' and point it to where the Fonts are at |
| 22:24.45 | marsje | Guerin: to me I have to use a lot of weird keys to do standard things.. I prefer pine's simple menus atthe bottom |
| 22:25.20 | marsje | Guerin: it's not my main mail client anyway.. only when I have only console access |
| 22:25.37 | enouf | Capso : I'm trying the best I can - I'm obviously not very experienced... |
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| 22:25.41 | Capso | enouf: Alright. |
| 22:25.49 | Capso | enouf: Hey... no problem... I really appreciate the help. :) |
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| 22:26.05 | Capso | enouf: By the way... a big booboo I think he made... |
| 22:26.37 | enouf | Capso: it's just ...well nobody else jumped in ...so I thought I'd try and as long as I don't make it worse ...ahhh a Booboo ? |
| 22:26.48 | enouf | Capso : which is ? |
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| 22:27.06 | Kromonos | I have problems with my imap server :( I just get 1 email more than 1 time. Where can be the error? |
| 22:27.35 | Capso | enouf: I see that linux-kernel-headers version is 2.6.17.6-1 ... but he has kernel-image version 2.6.8-2-686 installed. |
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| 22:27.47 | enouf | tuv: I looked at it with a Hexeditor and it;s a simple MZ or MS exe file - no Installshield, nor MSI stuff as far as I can tell (or recall what they look like) |
| 22:28.02 | enouf | Capso: doh ! |
| 22:28.05 | Capso | enouf: Shouldn't linux-kernel-headers and kernel-image match? |
| 22:28.30 | Capso | enouf: Should I upgrade his Kernel, then? |
| 22:28.31 | tuv | enouf, thanks for your help.. i'll probably give "UBCD for Windows" a try |
| 22:28.36 | enouf | Capso: Actually - it wouldn't matter so much if hwe was using a bpo kerbnel for sarge - but we're way past that now |
| 22:28.59 | enouf | tuv: yes indeded many tools for windoze on it |
| 22:29.11 | enouf | Capso: at this point I certaily would |
| 22:29.31 | Capso | enouf: I'd like to upgarde his Kernel anyways... is there a 2.6.17.6 kernel image package? |
| 22:29.34 | enouf | Capso: But you may wnat to go with a 2.6.16-2-686 at first |
| 22:29.37 | Capso | enouf: Because I certainly don't see it. |
| 22:29.44 | tuv | enouf, all i need is windows itself so that i can run the graphical setup program to update the bios.. look at how twisted that is.. |
| 22:29.53 | enouf | apt-cache search linux-image-* |
| 22:29.58 | Capso | enouf: 2.6.11-2.6.17.4 have that nasty exploit. |
| 22:30.10 | Capso | enouf: So, I want to get him something safer. |
| 22:30.25 | enouf | Capso - the Meta pkgs shoudn't be prone -- not sure whiuch exploit that is though ... hmmm |
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| 22:30.56 | enouf | tuv: I know I know -- big money to sony b0z0s ...:-( |
| 22:31.13 | Capso | enouf: It's a nasty new exploit for those versions. |
| 22:31.18 | enouf | tuv: think of ubcd as a LiveCD only :-) |
| 22:31.31 | tuv | exactly |
| 22:31.37 | enouf | Capso : got some URLs - or info? please |
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| 22:31.54 | tuv | enouf, although sony make damn good hardware |
| 22:32.28 | enouf | slaps tuv with a trout for even commending sony at this point |
| 22:32.36 | enouf | :-) |
| 22:32.38 | manas | is there any package that will help me use gprs with my sid system and a Motorola SLVR L7 GSM phone ? |
| 22:32.54 | Capso | enouf: http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/2013 |
| 22:33.03 | enouf | tuvL can you say Rootkit and DRM ? |
| 22:33.15 | enouf | Capso: looking now |
| 22:33.26 | Capso | enouf: http://www.securiteam.com/exploits/5GP0C2KJ5O.html |
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| 22:37.14 | enouf | Capso: readin reading - says needs to be local user - and some statically linked items are necessary - but will look into it further thanks |
| 22:37.33 | Capso | enouf: No problem. :) |
| 22:37.36 | Guerin | !find bin/pppconfig etch |
| 22:37.39 | Capso | enouf: Quick question... |
| 22:37.47 | enouf | Capso: shoot |
| 22:37.53 | Capso | enouf: After 'apt-get install 2.6.17-2-686'... is there anything else I need to do? |
| 22:37.59 | Capso | enouf: Or just reboot into that Kernel? |
| 22:38.00 | Capso | Err... |
| 22:38.03 | enouf | Capso: using GRUB right? |
| 22:38.06 | Guerin | bah, dpkg's search function is busted |
| 22:38.12 | Capso | 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.17-2-686'**** |
| 22:38.20 | enouf | dpkg Bad bot bad |
| 22:38.23 | Guerin | what package is pppconfig in these days, andwhy the hell isn't it on binary 1 |
| 22:38.23 | Capso | enouf: GRUB, yes... It seems to have configured that already. |
| 22:38.24 | Guerin | ? |
| 22:38.56 | enouf | Capso : just review the '/msg dpkg upgrade kernel' info |
| 22:39.26 | Capso | Alright. |
| 22:39.32 | enouf | alright try /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 22:39.42 | Capso | 'Kay. |
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| 22:39.51 | enouf | and /msg dpkg sid upgrade kernel |
| 22:40.39 | Capso | enouf: Did. |
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| 22:41.26 | Capso | enouf: And I have the things it says I should have. :) |
| 22:41.28 | smax | hi gang |
| 22:41.33 | enouf | Capso: I would really try to keep your bud in Etch only ...I'm kinda locked myself into a month old Sid here - cause things alweasys break when you stay with Sid, and constantly update and upgrade - so if you can fix the Fonts issue and remiove the unstable lines again in sources.list -- oh well just see about it |
| 22:41.48 | enouf | CApso: good news? |
| 22:41.56 | Capso | enouf: Going to have him reboot into it. |
| 22:42.04 | enouf | Capso: Ok ... |
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| 22:42.53 | Capso | enouf: But first... upgrading linux-headers and GCC. :D |
| 22:42.56 | enouf | Capso: does he have any special kernel paramters that need to be sent during boot - like acpi=off or anything ? |
| 22:43.23 | Capso | enouf: No... he didn't configure anything on his own... just let Deb handle it. |
| 22:43.29 | enouf | Capso: Ok ... |
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| 22:43.40 | Capso | So, if deb does that then yes... |
| 22:43.41 | Capso | Else, no. |
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| 22:43.56 | Capso | enouf: I don't need to re-install anything after upgrading GCC, do I/ |
| 22:44.15 | Capso | enouf: Since nothing is really compiled with GCC when using apt-get anyways... |
| 22:44.33 | enouf | Capso: hmmm...not sure 0 just don't gio recompiling stuff with the older versions I guess |
| 22:44.40 | smax | i have to run MAKEDEV update in /dev . is there a Debian live CD just enuff t o repair this. rather than waiting for an entire implementation of debian to download ? |
| 22:44.49 | enouf | Capso: right |
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| 22:45.39 | enouf | man the typos ...--> just don't go |
| 22:45.54 | enouf | <hides in the gibberish corner for a while> |
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| 22:47.07 | crn | kernel-image-2.6.8-3 has a broken snd-atiixp module. What is the best way to fix this? |
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| 22:47.43 | samuel | sup all |
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| 22:48.09 | Guerin | crn: use a different kernel |
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| 22:48.38 | enouf | Capso: what I have been doing once installed and steady ... I only upgrade using the 'apt-get install -t {testing/unstable} <pkgname>' so as to only pull in things i need |
| 22:49.01 | Capso | Ah. |
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| 22:49.24 | crn | Guerin, this is the latest in sarge (i think). |
| 22:49.45 | dylanc | How does the kernel determine which NIC is eth0 and which is eth1? Is there a way to configure that? |
| 22:49.48 | Guerin | crn: yeah. The kernel images from etch/sid should work, too. |
| 22:50.20 | enouf | Capso: man apt_preferences says more about it - and realize not so sure how "safe" this is what I'm doing, especially with kernel exploits abounding but I atelast have the 'security.devian.org testing' line still in sources.list (for whetever that's worth) |
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| 22:50.44 | samuel | anyone know of a free DWG autocad viewer for linux? |
| 22:50.44 | enouf | security.debian.org* |
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| 22:51.02 | crn | Guerin, i'm new to debian. will changing the kernel louse up aptitude and friends for maintenace? |
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| 22:51.25 | pickcoder | how can I tell grub that I want to boot off of sda1? I'm using root (hd0,0) and hd0 is defined as /dev/sda1 in the devices file |
| 22:51.52 | CHodapp | I just built a kernel using a different version of GCC as my running kernel, but the kernel is the same version... do I need to recreate the initrd? |
| 22:52.02 | dylanc | pickcoder: /boot/grub/menu.lst has the listings |
| 22:52.15 | pickcoder | dylanc there is no menu.lst |
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| 22:52.41 | pickcoder | I'm trying to remove software RAID and boot off one of the disks |
| 22:53.23 | dylanc | pickcoder: You could grab the example from /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst |
| 22:53.24 | hdkiller | err, i do not remember to that tool what gives me detailed system information about bios capatibilities, ram modules, etc etc |
| 22:53.27 | pickcoder | the kernel is freaking out |
| 22:53.31 | pickcoder | root is <NULL> |
| 22:53.47 | enouf | samuel: I can;t recall at the moment - and apt-cache search DMG only shows a python app - but i know there are otheres ...try sourceforge.net yet? |
| 22:53.48 | pickcoder | yet "root" in the grub menu shows me the correct device and fs |
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| 22:54.36 | pickcoder | it locates the kernel just fine, by tabbin the filename |
| 22:54.58 | dylanc | so, it's not even reading the menu file... weird |
| 22:55.04 | pickcoder | there isn't a menu file |
| 22:55.09 | pickcoder | I'm trying to boot it manually |
| 22:55.18 | enouf | CHodapp: my UNeducated guess would be yes - but I could be completely wrong about that ... |
| 22:55.37 | pickcoder | I can boot knoppix again and make a menu.lst |
| 22:55.42 | pickcoder | but it's really pointless |
| 22:55.43 | samuel | enouf, thx |
| 22:55.44 | enouf | pickcoder: grub-install? |
| 22:55.53 | pickcoder | enouf: I did it when I was using md0 |
| 22:55.54 | pickcoder | :/ |
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| 22:56.17 | pickcoder | fstab doesn't matter at this point b/c the kernel won't load the root fs |
| 22:56.26 | enouf | pickcoder: oh ..got a softRaid going do we? |
| 22:56.33 | pickcoder | trying to get rid of it |
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| 22:56.47 | pickcoder | grub is on the MBR |
| 22:57.10 | enouf | pickcoder: oh .. I was going to say you need a small /boot partition at the beginning of each drive I think |
| 22:57.25 | pickcoder | I ran grub-install on sda and sda1 |
| 22:57.27 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:57.38 | enouf | pickcoder: still have two or more disks hooked up ? |
| 22:57.57 | pickcoder | I have 4 but I can only use 2 b/c the new 2 are VIA SATA |
| 22:58.18 | enouf | pickcoder: Ok and the 2 that are hooked up are SCSI> or Sata |
| 22:58.32 | pickcoder | SCSI/SATA sata_sil |
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| 22:58.59 | pickcoder | they are recognized just fine at boot up |
| 22:59.02 | enouf | pickcoder: Ok SATA ...using a Controller card ? Onboard ? or what |
| 22:59.08 | pickcoder | sata_sil |
| 22:59.11 | pickcoder | card |
| 22:59.25 | pickcoder | also have VIA SATA onboard that isn't supported yet |
| 22:59.32 | CHodapp | enouf, well, the make-kpg seems to be failing... |
| 22:59.35 | pickcoder | was trying to move over when I started this |
| 22:59.39 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 22:59.52 | pickcoder | atleast the Linux install is still in one piece on both drives |
| 22:59.54 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:59.57 | enouf | pickcoder: Check the BIOS boot order and parameters - and make sure you're Card is plugged into a slot that plays nice with your BIOS |
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| 23:00.11 | pickcoder | enouf: it's booting just fine b/c grub is loading |
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| 23:00.47 | pickcoder | unfortunately the kernel I was booting from 1 hour ago says that the root fs is <NULL> |
| 23:00.49 | zebalin4 | help. running sid. just bought new HP C3180 all-in-one. Prints but won't scan. kooka does not see it. I'm desperate. |
| 23:01.05 | enouf | Yeah, but - you need stage 1.5 and/or 2 still it seems, whcuh isn;t yet installed from what you say -- where's the Kernel exist at? |
| 23:01.18 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.28 | enouf | pickcoder: oh ... but you got an error now ? |
| 23:01.35 | pickcoder | I can tab-complete the kernel image filename just fine |
| 23:01.38 | pickcoder | from / |
| 23:01.42 | pickcoder | but the kernel doesn't see it |
| 23:01.48 | enouf | pickcoder : rootfs is NULL |
| 23:01.49 | pickcoder | really wierd |
| 23:01.58 | pickcoder | ? |
| 23:02.44 | enouf | pickcoder : what's your command line to tell grub where the root is? |
| 23:02.51 | pickcoder | root (hd0,0) |
| 23:02.55 | pickcoder | it's already there when grub boots |
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| 23:03.25 | pickcoder | "root" shows ext2fs type x83 |
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| 23:03.25 | pickcoder | on hd0,0 before I even try changing it |
| 23:03.27 | enouf | pickcoder : well you can bypass and/or edit it too - what's it say? |
| 23:03.47 | pickcoder | I also tried hd1,0 |
| 23:04.07 | pickcoder | since it was soft raid 1 they're copies |
| 23:05.31 | pickcoder | enouf: I changed the linux auto-detect fs to 83 manually in knoppix |
| 23:06.04 | pickcoder | enouf: I can mount both drives in knoppix as ext3 |
| 23:06.15 | pickcoder | enouf: I must be missing something |
| 23:06.27 | enouf | pickcoder : if you have a kernel (initrd and vmlinuz) sitting in /boot on sda1 - what else is there too ? you need to have the /boot/grub stage 1.5,2.0, etc stuff there too I think -- whats "device.map" say in there |
| 23:06.42 | pickcoder | fd0 (fd0) |
| 23:06.52 | enouf | fd0 ?? wtf? |
| 23:07.02 | pickcoder | hd0 sda1 |
| 23:07.11 | pickcoder | hd1 sdb1 |
| 23:07.14 | pickcoder | if I'm not mistaken |
| 23:07.15 | xored | i get this error while compiling mplayer : /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: warning: libglib-1.2.so.0, needed by /usr/lib/libxmms.so.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
| 23:07.23 | enouf | pickcoder: check again youngun :-) |
| 23:07.30 | pickcoder | I'll have to boot knoppix again and look |
| 23:07.32 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:07.50 | enouf | pickcoder: and alter it to say only the 1st line |
| 23:08.32 | pickcoder | enouf: you mean hd0 |
| 23:08.43 | pickcoder | b/c there _is_ a floppy device stated in it |
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| 23:10.14 | enouf | pickcoder: welll - ummm.. not sure now ..both my HDDs are listed yet i only boot off the hdc for linux - but you had a mdadm setup prior so both HDDs should have the same info and maybe grub os cionfused trying to map to sda2 when it shouldn;t be any longer since you installed to MBR of sda1 - dio the MBR again as well |
| 23:10.41 | enouf | s/grub os/grub is* |
| 23:11.31 | enouf | pickcoder: yeah but you don;t want to boot from floppy - you want hd0,0 (sda1 right?) |
| 23:11.33 | pickcoder | only sda1 is ther enow |
| 23:11.37 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 23:12.24 | enouf | starts getting perplexed for now - needs a little rest .. just a tad - ok ? |
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| 23:15.43 | Tallu | DarkCow: alarm. |
| 23:16.30 | DarkCow | heh |
| 23:18.00 | pickcoder | re-ran grub-install from knoppix to update / on /dev/sda1 |
| 23:18.18 | pickcoder | this time I tried loading the sata_sil module before booting and it didn't matter |
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| 23:18.50 | enouf | pickcoder: donde estados ? |
| 23:18.59 | enouf | oh ...doh! |
| 23:19.00 | DarkCow | lame |
| 23:19.27 | pickcoder | por que? |
| 23:19.40 | enouf | pickcoder: de nada |
| 23:19.46 | pickcoder | <g. |
| 23:20.09 | pickcoder | error: missing ">" in command |
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| 23:20.24 | enouf | pickcoder: hmmm - do you have a grub floppy inserted? |
| 23:20.34 | pickcoder | nope.. all I got is a knoppix CD |
| 23:20.44 | pickcoder | I can even find my net-install CD |
| 23:20.51 | pickcoder | hopefully it won't come to that though.. |
| 23:21.02 | enouf | pickcoder: Ok - but without knoppix- you were able to see the Grub screen and choices? |
| 23:21.21 | pickcoder | I have a bare grub prompt since I haven't put a menu.lst on it |
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| 23:21.31 | enouf | pickcoder: Ok - but without knoppix- you were able to boot to Grub splash? |
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| 23:21.45 | pickcoder | splash = grub> promp |
| 23:21.49 | pickcoder | +t |
| 23:22.28 | pickcoder | kernel /boot/vmlinu <tab> |
| 23:22.45 | pickcoder | root <enter> ; shows me hd0,0 as ext2 type 83 |
| 23:22.55 | pickcoder | "boot" loads the kernel |
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| 23:23.22 | enouf | pickcoder: Ok - that's what I was getting at ... and are all the necessary files located in /boot/grub ? (e2fs_stage1_5, stage1, stage2, etc) |
| 23:23.27 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 23:23.51 | pickcoder | I think that the first sectors of the sda1 partition have RAID data in them.. that's the only explanation for "unknown-block (9,0)" |
| 23:23.58 | roberts | Hi, I'm having trouble connecting to a wireless network that I know the SSID and Channel for and it has no encryption or security whatsoever. |
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| 23:24.09 | roberts | Does the channel number matter? |
| 23:24.26 | roberts | How can I tell eth1 (my WNIC) to connect to a specific SSID? |
| 23:24.42 | simonrvn | dunno if it's true or not, but don't they have to match? |
| 23:24.56 | Tallu | Yay. Finally getting the hang of java. :) |
| 23:24.57 | pickcoder | roberts: most of the wlan stuff selects a channel to talk on based on noise, unless you force a specific one between devices. |
| 23:25.13 | enouf | pickcoder : I'd say so maybe ... how's about a looksee ? hrmm 'dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | xxd' maybe |
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| 23:25.42 | roberts | pickcoder: Well how to I hop on to a specific SSID? Isn't there just some GUI program that browses all available SSIDs and lists their status? |
| 23:26.04 | xored | when i try to compile openoffice i get this erro : |
| 23:26.06 | xored | * There was a problem determining which VM to use for generation-1 |
| 23:26.06 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.06 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.25 | xored | i have setted my vm, but he is still not able to compile |
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| 23:28.11 | enouf | pickcoder : when you;re in knoppix do you chroot into sda1 or not .. before issuing grub-install ? how about update-grub while you're there |
| 23:28.14 | pickcoder | roberts: you normally specify the ESSID so that two or more radios can talk |
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| 23:28.33 | pickcoder | roberts: if you want to snoop for one, look for a wireless toy to do that |
| 23:28.48 | roberts | pickcoder: I know the SSID of the WAP I want to connect to. |
| 23:28.52 | cmatheso1 | java swing apps keep trying to use the gtk look and feel on my box which doesn't work well w/ my gtk-engine... does anyone know how i can make it use the normal look and feel? |
| 23:29.18 | pickcoder | enouf: I su to root and then mount it in /mntt/ |
| 23:29.22 | pickcoder | -t |
| 23:29.34 | enouf | roberts: got pkg 'wireless-tools' installed? |
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| 23:29.48 | roberts | enouf: Yes. |
| 23:29.52 | enouf | pickcoder : try chroot instead |
| 23:29.59 | plugwash | are prior point releases of debian availible from anywhere? |
| 23:30.18 | pickcoder | doesn't "--root-directory=/mnt/sda1" do the same thing |
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| 23:30.35 | enouf | roberts: sorry - don't know much more, and even less about wireless :-( |
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| 23:31.18 | pickcoder | robters: look at iwconfig |
| 23:31.19 | seb- | will 'dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc' clone a hard drive w/o any args to dd? |
| 23:31.24 | pickcoder | roberts: look at iwconfig |
| 23:31.28 | manas | roberts network-manager |
| 23:31.39 | manas | roberts, install nm-applet |
| 23:31.47 | cmatheso1 | is it possible to control which look-and-feel swing apps are using w/ an environment variable or something? |
| 23:31.51 | pickcoder | roberts: iwconfig <device> essid <essid> |
| 23:31.56 | enouf | pickcoder : you would think so - but perhaps not - i can't say for sure, escept during a botched recovery attempt a little while ago and well - I knew when I was on/seeing the actual HDD after chrooting |
| 23:32.23 | pickcoder | enouf: k |
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| 23:32.49 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:33.06 | roberts | manas: nm-applet is not a package |
| 23:33.19 | manas | roberts apt-cache search ? |
| 23:33.54 | Capso | Hey... |
| 23:34.10 | Capso | I have nvidia-kernel-sources 1.0.8774... |
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| 23:34.19 | enouf | seb: if either are mounted (and I guess they may have to be to use dd) and/or especially if it's a live system -- I'd advise against it - it's just not that simple I guess |
| 23:34.29 | Seb | enouf: not me |
| 23:34.31 | manas | roberts aah. that is the gnome applet. check network-manager. you are on etch / sid right ? |
| 23:34.32 | Capso | But nvidia-glx doesn't want to be installed: |
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| 23:34.39 | Capso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.41 | Capso | Any ideas why? |
| 23:34.43 | dhuv | hello all |
| 23:34.55 | roberts | manas: Already getting network-manager |
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| 23:35.01 | enouf | seb: dd ill make a raw copy byte for byte but things like /dev/ and /proc fs get in the way, not to mention anything in/var |
| 23:35.01 | Capso | enouf: Hey... |
| 23:35.08 | Seb | enouf: still not me |
| 23:35.08 | Capso | enouf: You have any ideas about that? |
| 23:35.14 | enouf | Capso: ..what up? |
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| 23:35.21 | manas | roberts cool. it can hop n/w by strength too. |
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| 23:35.24 | Capso | enouf: nvidia-glx doesn't want to be installed. |
| 23:35.28 | dhuv | I have installed 2.6 kernel on one sarge box and I am following the same steps for the second but for somereason its not using the packages in the backports repository |
| 23:35.40 | enouf | Seb sorry ... ok |
| 23:35.48 | pickcoder | enouf: it's still looking for /dev/md0 in stage1 |
| 23:35.55 | dhuv | I have backports listed in sources.list exactly the same on both servers and the /etc/apt/preferences is also exactly the same |
| 23:36.02 | enouf | seb- look up^^^^^ |
| 23:36.06 | dhuv | is there anything that I am missing? |
| 23:36.24 | roberts | manas: The problem is I've never used this card before under GNU/Linux successfully. It's a Broadcom BCM43xx card, so I'm using 2.6.17's drivers for it. |
| 23:36.39 | enouf | pickcoder : when is it doing that ? |
| 23:36.46 | pickcoder | enouf: grub-install /dev/sda1 |
| 23:36.48 | manas | roberts that has nothing to do with connecting to the wireless net |
| 23:36.51 | pickcoder | enouf: chroot'd |
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| 23:37.04 | liquidangle | hey is anyone here living in Washington state ? |
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| 23:37.10 | roberts | manas: Sure it does! I don't even know if the card works! |
| 23:37.24 | manas | roberts do a iwlist scan |
| 23:37.25 | roberts | At least, if the WNIC's drivers are installed okay, etc. |
| 23:37.47 | roberts | manas: Ohh, it found the SSID! |
| 23:37.49 | smax | http://linux.m2osw.com/images/boot_sector.jpg |
| 23:38.03 | manas | roberts enjoy ! |
| 23:38.12 | enouf | Capso '/msg dpkg nvidia one-liner' and '/msg dpkg nvidia' I guess (perhaps threow 'installer' somewhere in there - oh and /msg dpkg glx) |
| 23:38.14 | roberts | manas: So does that mean I'm on it? |
| 23:38.27 | liquidangle | anyone at all ? |
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| 23:38.42 | manas | roberts click on it. it will ask you for a pass phrase. pretty simple. |
| 23:39.00 | roberts | Click?? I just ran "iwlist scanning"... |
| 23:39.04 | Capso | enouf: You don't have nVidia? |
| 23:39.28 | enouf | pickcoder : so you think it's actualy taking ? or not ? -- Maybe try a Grub floppy - heard good things about using them -- I'll lok for an post I recall about even a grub CDROM .. |
| 23:39.32 | manas | roberts I don't recollect the details. been ages since I used it. But it is pretty simple. |
| 23:39.56 | enouf | Capso L yeah 0- but iot's wayyy old a RIva TNT2 32MB :-p only |
| 23:40.05 | enouf | typos typos...* |
| 23:40.39 | pickcoder | enouf: grub is lookin in /dev/md0 for stage1 |
| 23:40.57 | enouf | pickcoder: change that shit :-) |
| 23:41.50 | enouf | pickcoder: You have 2 very small /boot partitions - 1 on each drive yes? |
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| 23:42.21 | manas | roberts I missed that iwlist statement. |
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| 23:42.33 | manas | roberts it means your card is working all right. |
| 23:43.10 | manas | roberts network-manager will do the trick for you. run nm-applet after installing network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde. |
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| 23:43.15 | dbe | How can I figure out if I use a Intel Centrino or Intel Centurion processor, cat /proc/cpuinfo just says: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz |
| 23:43.38 | enouf | pickcoder: I mean it's seeing something to make it think it's still raided -- check the device.map files again (on both drives) and look for old menu.list files -- heck disconnect one of them - unless it was raid0 - was it ? |
| 23:43.50 | dhuv | adding a -t sargebackports allows me to install the packages from backports but why does it not work from /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 23:44.05 | thingfish | umm dbe are you really sure there's an intel cpu named centurion? |
| 23:44.06 | Guerin | dhuv: there's no such thing as a centurion, and centrino isn't a processor, it's a chipset |
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| 23:44.18 | enouf | dbe: Centrino is the chipset CPU + Chipsee + Wifi usually |
| 23:44.22 | Guerin | dhuv: Pentium M (which you have) is the cCPU in the centrino chipset |
| 23:44.25 | enouf | Chipset even |
| 23:44.47 | dbe | enouf, Chipsee? |
| 23:44.47 | Guerin | dhuv: you definitely don't have a celery |
| 23:45.09 | Guerin | dhuv: like when you want to watch them fry your dinner up |
| 23:45.13 | Guerin | dbe: |
| 23:45.17 | enouf | dbe: there is nor centurion nor orion, or is there - hehehe |
| 23:45.28 | GoCooL | i'm having the worst time trying to configure my new monitor, i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and selected the new resolution and refresh rate etc, I log out and log back in, still the same, restart gdm still the same, heck I even restart the box (ala Windows :) still the same, help please |
| 23:45.33 | enouf | Guerin: wok -n-woll |
| 23:45.53 | pickcoder | enouf: I got grub updated, but the md0 device is still expected in the box. I have some hacking to do.. |
| 23:46.07 | adrakoa | GoCooL, graphics card? |
| 23:46.19 | GoCooL | i think ATI |
| 23:46.20 | pickcoder | enouf: in other words I got past the kernel issue and now it's a device mounting problem |
| 23:46.25 | enouf | pickcoder: hack away killer - but be careful if trying tio salvage data :-] |
| 23:46.43 | GoCooL | lspci has this: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: |
| 23:46.54 | Capso | enouf: Another goddamn hang! |
| 23:46.54 | enouf | pickcoder: ok great - I'll expect a full report soon .. |
| 23:46.56 | Capso | Ugh. |
| 23:47.01 | abrotman | GoCooL: should be more |
| 23:47.06 | Capso | enouf: Could it have to do with his hardware? |
| 23:47.06 | enouf | Capso : crap! |
| 23:47.08 | Capso | *Sigh.* |
| 23:47.16 | adrakoa | GoCooL, ati radeon? |
| 23:47.23 | GoCooL | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5460 |
| 23:47.57 | Guerin | GoCooL: try 'ati' and 'vesa' drivers in x config |
| 23:48.33 | GoCooL | I tried them both, the thing is that none of these changes seem to take effect |
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| 23:48.42 | enouf | Capso; moren likley to do with mixing versions (stable with testing then unstable) AND also with the xfree86 to xorg conversion AND with a new gcc++ perhaps -- did he ever use a compiled kernel ?? |
| 23:48.56 | enouf | s/moren/more* |
| 23:49.20 | Capso | enouf: You mean a debian kernel? |
| 23:49.31 | enouf | Capso : well ... ummm yeah |
| 23:49.34 | adrakoa | GoCooL, you can change to xserver-xorg.. |
| 23:49.42 | Capso | enouf: Before, he was using kernel-image-2.6.8 and before that, kernel-image-2.4.27... |
| 23:49.49 | GoCooL | adrakoa: how? |
| 23:49.54 | enouf | Capso : I mean was he previously running a compiled kernel ? |
| 23:50.07 | GoCooL | like when I right click on desktop and click 'reconfigure desktop', under the display column the screen sizes are still from the old configs |
| 23:50.08 | dhuv | Guerin: huh? |
| 23:50.13 | Capso | enouf: He never compiled his own Kernel. |
| 23:50.18 | nn-on-firedragon | i like wmaker it is cool |
| 23:50.23 | dhuv | Guerin: I never said I had a celery |
| 23:50.38 | adrakoa | GoCooL, apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control |
| 23:50.38 | enouf | Capso : Oh .. ok - I was wondering why you wanted (needed) the headers and /or source earlier |
| 23:51.07 | GoCooL | and how do I get the Xorg to take effect once it is installed? |
| 23:51.30 | Capso | enouf: He's not compiled or done anything by hand so far. |
| 23:51.44 | adrakoa | now it doesn't work.. try |
| 23:51.49 | CHodapp | http://paste.uni.cc/9789 . . . anyone want to explain this error? |
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| 23:52.59 | enouf | got to at a bit folks ... bbl -- ok Capso - that's cool - check the BTS for bugs, and I'm not sure how to enable glx for 3d - i just use the 'nv' module with intel 'agpgart' module for nice 2d ...sorry |
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| 23:53.06 | adrakoa | GoCooL, apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control xserver-xorg-driver-ati |
| 23:53.12 | enouf | got to EAT! .. |
| 23:53.18 | enouf | friggin typos |
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| 23:53.21 | nn-main | ni |
| 23:53.25 | GoCooL | adrakoa: how do I get the Xorg to take effect and not XFree86 once it is installed? |
| 23:53.27 | nn-main | hi** |
| 23:54.20 | adrakoa | GoCooL, there is a menu.. |
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| 23:54.27 | m1ke_l | greetings |
| 23:54.34 | m1ke_l | anyone know what the % values mean in top? |
| 23:55.56 | Kurtism | E: Couldn't find package libgsml-dev |
| 23:56.04 | Kurtism | anybody know where I could find that package? |
| 23:56.08 | adrakoa | m1ke_l, man top ? |
| 23:56.22 | Stevie | are you sure that's not supposed to be libsgml-dev ? |
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| 23:56.49 | m1ke_l | man top doesn't explain the display |
| 23:56.57 | Kurtism | nope |
| 23:57.03 | nn-main | stuck in the goo of !!!!!! iptable & ipmasqadm__portfw !!!!!!!! _________ crashing & nat's----ratnest confusion !!!!!!!! |
| 23:57.04 | Stevie | what is gsml? |
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| 23:57.40 | Stevie | wtf? |
| 23:57.47 | nn-main | NOTHING WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 23:57.55 | Kurtism | well I tried to do this: |
| 23:57.56 | Kurtism | sudo apt-get install debhelper libogg-dev libvorbis-dev zlib1g-dev libsdl1.2-dev libfreetype6-dev libimlib2-dev texi2html libraw1394-dev libdc1394-13-dev libtheora-dev libgsml-dev libdts-dev liblame-dev libxvidcore-dev alsa alsa-utils libxvmc-dev |
| 23:57.57 | m1ke_l | mobile phone stuff? |
| 23:58.06 | m1ke_l | apt-cache search gsml shows a few things |
| 23:58.18 | Kurtism | I'm trying to do VDR and Mplayer |
| 23:58.23 | m1ke_l | never mind |
| 23:58.28 | Kurtism | so I can watch my movies on my TV with my DVB card |
| 23:58.48 | Kurtism | ever used VDR? |
| 23:58.59 | m1ke_l | nope |
| 23:59.10 | jetscreamer | omg all my files are +x |
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