| 00:00.23 | jetscreamer | oh good not all, just some, and just some under ~ |
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| 00:01.01 | GoCooL | my apt sources point to debian stable and hence, xserver-xorg isn't even in my list |
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| 00:02.37 | MatBoy | Is it possible to split 5 screens in 3 on the bottom and 2 on top of them ? |
| 00:02.51 | MatBoy | some sort of peramide effect |
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| 00:03.10 | abrotman | pyramid |
| 00:03.33 | MatBoy | abrotman, thanks... it's very late here :D |
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| 00:03.55 | abrotman | MatBoy: and i'd guess that depends on your WM or DE .. but i can't imagine you can |
| 00:04.41 | nn-firedragon | nn-main, switched to firedragon "pc" |
| 00:04.48 | MatBoy | abrotman, 6 is possible... or I should place 2 on the left and the right one |
| 00:05.20 | abrotman | MatBoy: sure six is .. four is .. five .. don't htink so |
| 00:05.28 | abrotman | MatBoy: is it for kde or gnome ? |
| 00:05.35 | MatBoy | abrotman, I thought the same |
| 00:05.38 | MatBoy | abrotman, KDE |
| 00:05.42 | abrotman | maybe ask #kde |
| 00:05.46 | cracka12 | hey i get this error when using vsftpd on debian: 500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_recv_peek and it wont let me do anything anyone seen this before? |
| 00:06.10 | MatBoy | abrotman, I will do that tomorrow ! |
| 00:06.12 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 00:06.13 | abrotman | okay! |
| 00:06.15 | MatBoy | sleep well all ! |
| 00:06.47 | Capso | Is GeForce4 MX 440 Go an nVidia Legacy card? |
| 00:07.43 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 00:08.16 | Capso | ;P |
| 00:08.19 | Alam_Debian | no |
| 00:08.29 | Alam_Debian | GeForce2 is Legacy |
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| 00:08.47 | Capso | 'Kay... so should work with nVidia 1.0.8774 drivers, right? |
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| 00:09.04 | Alam_Debian | yes |
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| 00:09.25 | Alam_Debian | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 4000/AGP/3DNOW! |
| 00:09.25 | Alam_Debian | OpenGL version string: 1.5.6 NVIDIA 87.62 |
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| 00:10.23 | Capso | Meh. Trying to get Xorg to run with it... but whenever I start Xorg with the nVidia driver, it hangs. |
| 00:11.07 | majestix | argh. can anybody help with fonts on debian unstable and firefox? wikipedia has very ugly fonts and I don't know why. this was after some xorg updates and others some time ago |
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| 00:12.16 | adrakoa | Capso, apt-cache show nvidia-xconfig .. |
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| 00:12.29 | Alam_Debian | Cabal, did you install nvidia-glx and nvidia-source? |
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| 00:13.33 | Alam_Debian | and set Driver in xorg.conf to "nvidia"? |
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| 00:15.01 | Capso | Alam_Debian: I have installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source... |
| 00:15.01 | Capso | Alam_Debian: Latest... |
| 00:15.03 | Capso | Alam_Debian: And the Driver in xorg.conf is set to nvidia... |
| 00:15.11 | Capso | Alam_Debian: And when it is... it hangs on me... |
| 00:15.18 | Alam_Debian | and copmiled a module? |
| 00:15.20 | Capso | Alam_Debian: Toshiba Satellite 5105-S501. |
| 00:15.28 | cratylus | i see i'm right in time for the the ask about video card drivers question session |
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| 00:15.34 | Capso | I hear there have been such problems with that Laptop? |
| 00:16.42 | cratylus | got one of my own to just toss out there. just installed latest stable sarge 3.1 on my dell 4700. it has a pci express ati radeon |
| 00:17.08 | cratylus | when i booted, i clearly got text mode and an xserver that did not work |
| 00:17.18 | cratylus | I apt-get installed radeon* binaries |
| 00:17.30 | cratylus | rebooted but the x-server still doesn't pull through |
| 00:17.35 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 00:17.47 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 00:17.48 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 00:17.48 | cratylus | yup, looking at it now, a whole bunch of stuff |
| 00:17.54 | cratylus | cool, will do |
| 00:17.58 | cratylus | thanks |
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| 00:18.18 | cracka12 | hey i get this error when using vsftpd on debian: 500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_recv_peek and it wont let me do anything anyone seen this before? |
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| 00:19.13 | cratylus | pasted: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3584 |
| 00:19.20 | jetscreamer | i know nothing http://www.google.com/linux?q=vsf_sysutil_recv_peek&restrict=linux |
| 00:19.49 | abrotman | mousedev |
| 00:20.09 | jetscreamer | yes but then there's still the ati prob |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | cratylus: modprobe mousedev .. try again .. if it works .. put it in /etc/modules |
| 00:20.14 | enouf | majestix: anything? http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/07/msg00040.html |
| 00:20.16 | jetscreamer | maybe not supported in xfree |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's just drm .. who cares! |
| 00:20.30 | jetscreamer | i don't know jack about ati |
| 00:20.35 | cratylus | abrotman: will do |
| 00:20.42 | cratylus | jetscreamer: me neither :) |
| 00:20.56 | jetscreamer | if mousedev doesn't work try psmouse |
| 00:21.01 | jetscreamer | what kernel btw |
| 00:21.10 | jetscreamer | let me guess 2.4 |
| 00:21.11 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 00:21.19 | jetscreamer | uname -r |
| 00:21.39 | cratylus | jetscremer: are you kiddin? of course not. 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 00:22.03 | cratylus | i may not be an expert, but this isn't my first day with linux to try the 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:22.24 | jetscreamer | hey it's the sarge default still iirc |
| 00:22.30 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 00:22.38 | jetscreamer | not so in ethc |
| 00:22.40 | jetscreamer | ch |
| 00:23.02 | cratylus | true |
| 00:23.38 | cratylus | abrotman: i rand the modprob mousedev. no complaints. how di i retry xserver? |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | uhm .. startx ? |
| 00:24.00 | jetscreamer | did it say succeded? |
| 00:24.05 | jetscreamer | or just nothing |
| 00:24.08 | cratylus | well i'm seeing graphics |
| 00:24.11 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:24.12 | abrotman | pr0n ? |
| 00:24.13 | cratylus | this is zee good |
| 00:24.19 | jetscreamer | put it in /etc/modules |
| 00:24.26 | cratylus | how do you do that? |
| 00:24.30 | jetscreamer | edit |
| 00:24.37 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/modules |
| 00:24.40 | cratylus | and just insert the modprobe line? |
| 00:24.43 | jetscreamer | or whatever editor |
| 00:24.50 | jetscreamer | just the module name |
| 00:24.52 | cratylus | ah |
| 00:24.53 | jetscreamer | mousedev |
| 00:25.09 | cratylus | i can't belive my mouse busted it |
| 00:25.23 | cratylus | it's just a logitech wireless usb |
| 00:25.26 | jetscreamer | allowmouseopenfail or whatever isn't the defalut |
| 00:25.40 | jetscreamer | xorg needs to be told it's ok |
| 00:25.49 | jetscreamer | and the debian default doesn't |
| 00:25.57 | abrotman | cratylus: blame the beer! |
| 00:26.40 | cratylus | darn beer |
| 00:26.40 | jetscreamer | !beer all |
| 00:26.59 | cratylus | thanks dpkg |
| 00:26.59 | dpkg | cratylus: de rien |
| 00:27.16 | cratylus | ah , a french bot |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | can i get a yuengling ? |
| 00:27.31 | jetscreamer | lesee |
| 00:27.34 | jetscreamer | !beer abrotman |
| 00:27.37 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 00:28.08 | cratylus | man it's nice to have graphics |
| 00:28.26 | cratylus | onto the next pain, wireless |
| 00:28.40 | amphi | pain? why? |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | depends on the chipset |
| 00:28.52 | cratylus | yup |
| 00:29.11 | cratylus | mine's a linksys wmp54g. i found drivers from linuxant |
| 00:29.15 | cratylus | worked on fedora |
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| 00:29.20 | cratylus | gonna try to make themwork here |
| 00:29.25 | jetscreamer | omg kmix is using 99% of my cpu |
| 00:29.39 | Capso | omg bzip2 is using 10% of my CPU. |
| 00:29.39 | jetscreamer | i use kmix, but i'm not running kde.. hmm |
| 00:29.52 | jetscreamer | kmix is the volume thingy |
| 00:29.54 | cratylus | pandora is using 20 of mine |
| 00:29.56 | Capso | I use bzip2, but I'm compressing an ISO of an OGM... hmm. |
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| 00:30.11 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 00:30.16 | enouf | Capso : still getting font errors in the Xorg.0.log ? maybe remove those two lines I asked you to put there earlier..just a thought after looking at you pastebin briefly again http://pastebin.ca/153813 |
| 00:30.24 | Capso | enouf: No... |
| 00:30.29 | Capso | enouf: It's not the font errors. |
| 00:30.33 | Capso | enouf: Fixed those. |
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| 00:30.36 | Capso | (Symlinks.) |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | cratylus: you mean flash is |
| 00:31.08 | Capso | enouf: I think it's a common Toshiba Satellite S5105-501 problem with nVidia drivers and Xorg. |
| 00:31.08 | jetscreamer | psst |
| 00:31.09 | enouf | Capso L symlinks = Ok -- good |
| 00:31.23 | Capso | enouf: Because I found a couple of sites that depict my problem... |
| 00:32.02 | Capso | enouf: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=61575 http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=61246&highlight=toshiba+satellite and http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=766891&postcount=98 |
| 00:32.09 | jetscreamer | Capso: first, there are toshiba specific kernel modules that were not autoloaded on my tecra8000 i just inherited the other day. no idea if this will help you of course. |
| 00:32.25 | jetscreamer | you could check to see |
| 00:32.36 | Capso | The last link I posted seems to be of the most help... |
| 00:32.41 | jetscreamer | 2, what is the exact problem |
| 00:32.43 | Capso | But I can't do anything right now... |
| 00:32.46 | jetscreamer | i missed it |
| 00:32.57 | Capso | I have to wait 3 hours before he comes back so he can reboot his laptop. |
| 00:33.04 | jetscreamer | oh did you ask in #nvidia btw |
| 00:33.25 | jetscreamer | but that's just for the nvidia-installer |
| 00:33.28 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 00:33.59 | pickcoder | why wouldn't a change in mtab cause /proc and /sys to be relocated? |
| 00:34.06 | Capso | jetscreamer: This guy I'm helping has a Toshiba Satellite 5105-S501 laptop with an nVidia GeForce4 440 Go graphics card... |
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| 00:34.38 | Capso | jetscreamer: And I've successfully installed for him, the latest nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings and etc., etc.... |
| 00:34.54 | Capso | jetscreamer: And configured xorg.conf for him... but everytime I start Xorg on his Machine... |
| 00:34.55 | jetscreamer | well i have a toshiba, but not nv in it, and i do nvidia, but not the debian packages... so you might check the toshiba kernel modules.. there were a couple in a couple sections |
| 00:34.57 | Capso | jetscreamer: It hangs. |
| 00:35.07 | enouf | kmix is such a pig - and you can only tell when it's starting and then you close it - it starts writing a 50mb file or something |
| 00:35.33 | stoned | hehe, microsoft fed us lunch today and gave away free t shirts and hand held games |
| 00:35.36 | stoned | at work |
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| 00:35.41 | jetscreamer | faggot |
| 00:35.42 | Capso | jetscreamer: I might... need to wait for him to come back, though... if you want to help, you might try taking a look at the Sites I posted up above, and see if those feel like things that could be of help. |
| 00:35.47 | Guerin | stoned: and beer? |
| 00:35.50 | jetscreamer | all i got was vs2205 |
| 00:35.54 | stoned | not at work Guerin man |
| 00:35.55 | jetscreamer | \err 2005 |
| 00:35.55 | Guerin | jetscreamer: wtf? |
| 00:36.02 | Guerin | stoned: :( |
| 00:36.08 | stoned | i know :( |
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| 00:36.20 | stoned | but but... I'm toking a jay as we speak |
| 00:36.20 | stoned | ! |
| 00:36.20 | Capso | stoned: "Us" is whom? |
| 00:36.32 | stoned | Capso, at work |
| 00:36.43 | stoned | showcasing vista actually |
| 00:36.43 | Capso | stoned: You work for M$? |
| 00:36.48 | stoned | it crashed like 3 times |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | stoned: do you feel dirty? |
| 00:37.00 | stoned | all the linux nerds at work like me were shaking thier heads an dlaughing |
| 00:37.07 | stoned | abrotman, it was horrible |
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| 00:37.18 | stoned | I had to sit through them explaining new vista features |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | stoned: you still ate didn't you |
| 00:37.29 | stoned | abrotman, I don't say no to food, no matter who feeds me |
| 00:37.38 | abrotman | sell out |
| 00:37.49 | stoned | no, its called being hungry |
| 00:37.52 | stoned | and shame on you |
| 00:38.01 | CHodapp | stoned, I am at university now, there are at least a few Microsoft fanboys... my roommate being one of them. |
| 00:38.16 | CHodapp | the robotics club advisor is another... he wore a Microsoft hat some days |
| 00:38.21 | stoned | lol |
| 00:38.38 | CHodapp | I suggested that we use Subversion for our source code because our computers were a mix of Windows, Unices, and MacOS. |
| 00:38.46 | CHodapp | He insisted on buying 4 licenses for SourceSafe. |
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| 00:38.53 | stoned | I just got ripped off by the hottest mexican chic I've ever seen. I paid 10$ more for the sack of budd |
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| 00:39.10 | stoned | oh well, she was hot, I got to feel her boobs |
| 00:39.13 | stoned | it was worth it |
| 00:39.15 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:39.26 | Guerin | !pal stoned |
| 00:39.36 | n00rul | is this channel for such kind of discussions? |
| 00:39.46 | Capso | It's "Debian"... |
| 00:39.58 | Capso | It's not like you compile your heart out and run into problems. |
| 00:39.59 | CHodapp | BOYS HAVE PENISES AND GIRL HAVE VAGINAS |
| 00:40.06 | n00rul | the hottest topic under the sun : "Women" |
| 00:40.08 | Guerin | n00rul: you can get away with a lot in #debian as long as it's not about ubuntu |
| 00:40.09 | stoned | CHodapp, thank you, I did not know that |
| 00:40.10 | Capso | So, WTF do you do with all that saved time? |
| 00:40.10 | stoned | ! |
| 00:40.16 | Capso | Talk about this shit. |
| 00:40.47 | n00rul | saved time? |
| 00:40.51 | stoned | n00rul, the thing is. If/when someone needs support, we stop with the offtopic discussions and provide support. The OT conversations don't hinder us from doing that, so the ops are lenient with it |
| 00:40.57 | stoned | when nothing is going on, we just chit chat |
| 00:40.59 | Capso | Guerin: I just saw my first Linux poster the other day... it said: "Ubuntu: Linux for servers and human beings"... |
| 00:41.03 | thefish | Tom Nguyen? |
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| 00:41.14 | Capso | Guerin: And I thought to myself: "Ubuntu is so much better than Debian." |
| 00:41.22 | thefish | that's a bad command |
| 00:41.39 | stoned | farhan |
| 00:41.42 | n00rul | Capso: have you tried Ubuntu? |
| 00:41.46 | Capso | lmao |
| 00:41.47 | stoned | my best friends name was farhan, when I was a child |
| 00:41.47 | Capso | No. |
| 00:41.54 | Capso | n00rul: I'm just pulling his leg. |
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| 00:42.02 | thefish | was he happy? |
| 00:42.04 | Capso | n00rul: I haven't even tried Debian. |
| 00:42.07 | stoned | I think farhan is also one of the 99 qualities of the islamic deity |
| 00:42.10 | stoned | Allah |
| 00:42.25 | stoned | maybe Allah created this universe and this world so we could have debian! |
| 00:42.26 | n00rul | Capso: which distro are you using? |
| 00:42.31 | stoned | I'm sure of it |
| 00:42.33 | CHodapp | stoned, stop being so.............stoned |
| 00:42.36 | Capso | n00rul: Gentoo, SlackWare, and LFS. |
| 00:42.53 | n00rul | Capso: how is gentoo ? |
| 00:43.00 | thefish | i suggest lynx. no other web browser, booooojjjhui |
| 00:43.00 | Capso | Awesome. |
| 00:43.01 | stoned | I know now, of His great design. The plan all along was to get Ian Murdock involved and get debian going |
| 00:43.10 | stoned | and now its like word. |
| 00:43.25 | abrotman | no more drugs |
| 00:43.28 | pickcoder | l8rz |
| 00:43.28 | Capso | n00rul: It's great. :D |
| 00:43.31 | abrotman | they're making you stupid |
| 00:43.34 | stoned | lol |
| 00:43.40 | stoned | no, I'm just acting goofy |
| 00:43.51 | n00rul | Capso: I am happy with Debian. It stops me from trying other distro. |
| 00:44.04 | n00rul | Capso: After-all all of them uses the same linux kernel |
| 00:44.12 | thefish | tsch |
| 00:44.13 | stoned | I tried all sorts of distros |
| 00:44.24 | n00rul | stoned: which one you like the most? |
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| 00:44.32 | Capso | n00rul: But how much you learn from trying different ones is at stake if you just keep with one. |
| 00:44.40 | Capso | n00rul: The most you can learn is from LFS. |
| 00:44.50 | stoned | I was then recommeneded by this guy in my college who was like a "level 10 elite haxor for like CyberArmy" |
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| 00:44.53 | stoned | he said try debian |
| 00:45.00 | stoned | I did, and I never used ANYTHING EVER again |
| 00:45.02 | Guerin | n00rul: you should try others. I've tried ubuntu, mandy, hat, fedora, slack, gentoo, mepis, some others |
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| 00:45.08 | Guerin | but i always seem to come back to debian |
| 00:45.11 | Capso | n00rul: Learning Disto-specific environments, etc. is not my thing. I don't find it useful to spend my time like that. |
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| 00:45.18 | thefish | suse |
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| 00:45.23 | Guerin | never tried suse |
| 00:45.25 | n00rul | I wish I had a cheap desktop machine |
| 00:45.29 | n00rul | to try all those things |
| 00:45.37 | Guerin | well, i've *used* it but never installed it one one of my machines |
| 00:45.37 | Heston | vmware |
| 00:45.37 | Capso | Garage Sale! |
| 00:45.43 | thefish | debian is nexus |
| 00:45.49 | n00rul | Capso: what you concentrate on? |
| 00:46.15 | Capso | n00rul: Depends what I'm using. Gentoo on my WorkStating. SlackWare on my Router Box. LFS on my Laptop. FreeBSD on my Server Box. |
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| 00:46.29 | Capso | s/WorkStating/WorkStation |
| 00:46.57 | n00rul | LFS on laptop |
| 00:46.58 | Heston | usually you want do to work on a workstation, not sit and watch gcc output |
| 00:47.00 | n00rul | interesting |
| 00:47.06 | n00rul | does that have all drivers? |
| 00:47.08 | Capso | n00rul: Yep. |
| 00:47.17 | Stevie | Heston: which is why I wonder why people use Gentoo |
| 00:47.19 | Capso | Heston: And that's what I do. Work. On my WorkStation. :) |
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| 00:47.32 | Capso | Heston: You don't NEED to watch GCC output. :) |
| 00:47.36 | Capso | *Multitasking* |
| 00:47.49 | CHodapp | GCC output is on? |
| 00:47.55 | Heston | no but you do need to wait for shit to compile |
| 00:48.02 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 00:48.04 | Heston | and for what? |
| 00:48.06 | CHodapp | shhhhhh |
| 00:48.13 | CHodapp | I'm trying to hear how this GCC output episode turns out |
| 00:48.24 | Capso | ... So? |
| 00:48.41 | Capso | You also have the Source right there with you. And a nice package management system... |
| 00:48.51 | Capso | So you can work out all your patches. |
| 00:49.10 | Heston | this can all be done with or without source |
| 00:49.24 | Heston | debian is a prime example |
| 00:49.28 | Capso | Um... patching the SOURCE cannot be done... without the SOURCE to patch to. |
| 00:49.29 | n00rul | Capso: Are you into hardcore linux programming? |
| 00:50.10 | Heston | Capso, these patches have been applied for you and even compiled |
| 00:50.25 | Guerin | n00rul: is that where you get all lubed up and hack on the kernel? |
| 00:50.28 | Heston | why would you bother wasting time doing it yourself |
| 00:50.37 | Capso | n00rul: "Into it"... yes. But that in no way implies any elitism in it. |
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| 00:51.14 | Capso | Heston: Yeah... those are the patches the developers have applied for YOU. I'm talking about the patches you'd want to apply for yourself for various applications, etc.. As I've very much so needed to do. |
| 00:51.33 | Heston | need to do so for what? |
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| 00:51.49 | Heston | and this isnt to say you cant grab the source when you need to |
| 00:52.06 | Heston | but compiling everything for no real purpose is just ridiculous |
| 00:52.16 | Capso | Fixing, modifying, adding, etc.. |
| 00:52.19 | n00rul | elitism? |
| 00:52.33 | dvs | when? |
| 00:52.43 | abrotman | not any time recently :) |
| 00:52.50 | Capso | Heston: Sure there's a purpose. There's always a purpose. :) |
| 00:52.59 | Capso | Heston: And if there isn't... then you're not using Gentoo. :D |
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| 00:53.54 | majestix | enouf: seems no go. bot Xft vars are already "true". |
| 00:54.18 | n00rul | Capso: Is my h/w secure under LFS. |
| 00:54.19 | Heston | Capso, the only reason that comes to mind is optimizing, and im sure everyone here knows how much that is owrth |
| 00:54.20 | Capso | Heston: But soon enough, this is going to be tagged as "Flamewars"... |
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| 00:55.03 | Capso | n00rul: What? |
| 00:55.10 | Heston | i am not flaming, im providing a logical argument |
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| 00:55.46 | n00rul | Capso: I am thinking whether to try LFS or not? |
| 00:55.46 | Capso | Hence, the "tag"... and not the actual quality of a flame. |
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| 00:55.54 | Capso | n00rul: Go ahead, try it out. |
| 00:55.54 | n00rul | Capso: It is tempting |
| 00:55.59 | n00rul | Capso: To learn stuff |
| 00:56.13 | doctorshim | How is support for the AMD64 platform? |
| 00:56.23 | dvs | doctorshim: coming |
| 00:56.34 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 00:56.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 00:56.37 | peteweez | doctorshim: will be official by release of etch |
| 00:56.41 | Heston | Capso, anyhow, you're free to waste your time compiling with little to show for it |
| 00:57.01 | Capso | Heston: Optimising... yes, that encapsulates it. If you're not going to patching, and you don't care about system optimisation... and you're not much of a coder... then go ahead with binary type distros like Debian. I don't really care. |
| 00:57.03 | devicenull | as a user of amd64. Don't do it unless you have a damn good reason |
| 00:57.04 | doctorshim | dvs: I see an unofficial stable release for AMD64, I'm just wondering if anyone has a lot of trouble using it. |
| 00:57.18 | doctorshim | devicenull: I see. |
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| 00:57.25 | abrotman | it has official security support |
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| 00:57.42 | plugwash | mmm doesn't look like there has been any progress on the issue of dealing with 32 and 64 bit packages in the same system |
| 00:57.42 | devicenull | I seem to recall having a lot of problems |
| 00:57.43 | n00rul | Capso: where do you find the driver sources? |
| 00:57.44 | doctorshim | But it's not that stable? |
| 00:57.47 | abrotman | doctorshim: biggest complaint from most people are desktop users .. since many desktop oriented things are 32bit only |
| 00:58.01 | Capso | Heston: I'm free to do whatever with my time... and seeing as how you are not able to understand the depths of compilation... going through the steps of the explanations of it is not one thing I want to use that time for... |
| 00:58.13 | doctorshim | abrotman: Well, I'd need a desktop for my work. So that settles it, unfortunatly! |
| 00:58.21 | abrotman | doctorshim: do you need flash? |
| 00:58.29 | doctorshim | I'm reading around about it, so I thought I'd stop in and ask. :) |
| 00:58.31 | doctorshim | abrotman: Yes. |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | 32bit for you .. blame adobe |
| 00:58.37 | Guerin | nobody NEDS flash |
| 00:58.41 | Capso | Heston: What backup do I have for making such horrific statements? Why, your own thought of it being a waste. :) |
| 00:58.44 | Guerin | or needs it |
| 00:58.46 | abrotman | Guerin: if you're a flash designer you do :) |
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| 00:58.50 | abrotman | !gnash |
| 00:58.51 | dpkg | gnash is probably a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 00:58.53 | Capso | n00rul: Driver sources of what/ |
| 00:59.00 | doctorshim | Guerin: The whole world needs it. |
| 00:59.06 | Heston | Capso, what kind of proof do you have that says otherwise |
| 00:59.11 | Guerin | doctorshim: like a hole in the head |
| 00:59.24 | Capso | Heston: That says otherwise about what? |
| 01:00.03 | Heston | Capso, you're obviously a fool, keep using those gcc flags of yours and be happy |
| 01:00.05 | doctorshim | Well thanks for the help. I'll get the 32-bit version. |
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| 01:00.36 | abrotman | Heston: capso: stop already |
| 01:00.53 | Capso | Heston: Your own foolishness is emerging with every such statement. |
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| 01:01.29 | Capso | So... |
| 01:01.30 | ttick | I'm SSHed into a remote machine. A person sitting at that machine is logged in and running X. She has done "xhost +". I want to log in and put xeyes on the remote machine. So I ssh into the remote, then export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 but for some reason it doesn't appear on her screen. Suggestions? |
| 01:01.35 | Capso | What is this, if not a flame, now. :) |
| 01:01.51 | Heston | this coming from the guy who cant spell optimization....oh the irony |
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| 01:02.26 | abrotman | Heston: Capso: knock it off .. use /ignore |
| 01:03.00 | Capso | That coming from the guy who believes American English is the only form of English and hence, only applicable spellings... oh the irony. |
| 01:03.39 | Stevie | ttick: wait, *in* the ssh shell you do DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 ? |
| 01:04.16 | amphi | Capso: you spelt it wiyj an 's'? oh, the horror |
| 01:04.21 | amphi | er, with |
| 01:04.34 | Capso | amphi: Yeah... Oh no! |
| 01:05.05 | ttick | Stevie: yes |
| 01:05.32 | Stevie | ttick: try just DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 01:05.54 | fdsd | hey guys, does anyone know how to make a multi session disk with two iso files? so two different ISO files can be bootable? for example one iso is a bootable mac iso and the other is a bootable pc iso? |
| 01:05.59 | ttick | Stevie: cool, that did it. Thanks. |
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| 01:06.35 | Stevie | Ima Jeenyuss |
| 01:06.37 | Capso | amphi: And colour with a u? My goodness! |
| 01:07.10 | Guerin | almost like back when the word was made up! |
| 01:07.23 | Capso | amphi: http://www.sharewarepromotions.com/glossary/search_engine_optimisation.html |
| 01:07.36 | Capso | lmao |
| 01:07.36 | amphi | shareware? ugh |
| 01:07.39 | Capso | Read the note. |
| 01:07.51 | Guerin | fdsd: morphix and such can do this, i think. |
| 01:08.13 | fdsd | Guerin, ok |
| 01:08.40 | plugwash | fdsd there can only be one iso (well there is multisession but drives only look to the last session anyway) |
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| 01:08.47 | Capso | It seems as if Heston's idiocy has taken hold of him for the time-being. ;P |
| 01:08.58 | Guerin | fdsd: i saw instructions on it some time recently while looking for a bootcd, and I think it was on a morphix site |
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| 01:09.18 | Guerin | Capso: we'll pry that idiocy from his cold, dead hands. |
| 01:09.30 | Capso | Guerin: You sure will. ;P |
| 01:09.34 | plugwash | i'd imagine you can build a single iso with both boot structures though, if its debian install media you are interested in i suggest you look at how the media for both is built and see if you can figure out how to put in both boot structures in the same iso |
| 01:10.54 | bintut | anyone here can enlighten me on how can install debian on an x86 network appliance using CF card disk? |
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| 01:11.11 | lunaphyte | how do i force files created to adhere to g+rw permissions? (i'm trying to use setfacl, but can't seem to get the parameters right) |
| 01:11.19 | dvs | bintut: USB drive install? |
| 01:11.39 | dvs | bintut: Oh? You want to install it ONTO a CF card disk? |
| 01:11.53 | bintut | dvs: yes, to CF card disk |
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| 01:12.02 | dvs | bintut: Ouch! No idea |
| 01:12.15 | dvs | bintut: you can install it from a CF disk |
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| 01:12.19 | abrotman | umask |
| 01:12.23 | plugwash | any idea how the cf card is connected? |
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| 01:12.41 | plugwash | e.g. is it connected as a hard drive or as a PCMCIA card |
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| 01:13.25 | plugwash | if its connected as a hard drive then i'd imagine you can install as normal, just don't put any swap on it if you wan't it to last |
| 01:13.27 | bintut | dvs: yes, but my problem is how. the appliance doesn't even have a vga port so i believe, the only way to see what's happening on that appliance is through a serial console |
| 01:13.41 | fdsd | plugwash, on a mac, if you hold down option it should see any bootable images |
| 01:13.48 | bintut | plugwash: only CF card disk |
| 01:14.07 | plugwash | but how is the cf card connected? |
| 01:14.32 | fdsd | plugwash, also since one would be a hfs/iso and the other would be a plain iso, the mac boot loader wouldnt see the plain iso as boot and the pc wouldnt see the hfs/hybrid as bootable, so it works |
| 01:14.48 | bintut | plugwash: inserted to the CF socket of the motherboard |
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| 01:15.28 | abrotman | !tell DarkCow about away |
| 01:15.34 | plugwash | does the maker of this network appliance provide any instructions? what is the machine meant to run? |
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| 01:16.51 | maher | the new firefox security update is crashing on google maps for me - is anyone else having this problem? |
| 01:17.52 | Guerin | maher: if you're going to use 3rd-party addons and shit, it's best to use mozilla.org's static firefox builds if you can. |
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| 01:18.00 | Guerin | I'm not sure they still buold for sarge, though. |
| 01:18.20 | bintut | plugwash: yes, but for windows |
| 01:18.39 | abrotman | Guerin: that's a website .. |
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| 01:18.53 | plugwash | bintut still they may have some clues are they availible online anywhere? |
| 01:18.54 | maher | Guerin: forgive my ignorance but what 3rd party stuff would i be using? |
| 01:19.04 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, he's not talking about the google maps application? |
| 01:19.18 | Guerin | maher: sorry, i thought you were talking about the google maps application |
| 01:19.20 | bintut | plugwash: i got the box from taiwan |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | Guerin: i think maps.google.com is a website |
| 01:19.37 | Guerin | oh, duh, i'm thinking of google earth |
| 01:19.43 | plugwash | bintut so how do they tell you to put windows on it? |
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| 01:19.59 | bintut | plugwash: from my own pc |
| 01:20.13 | Flimzy | I know my question is insanely simple... but i just can't remember the tool used to build a chroot |
| 01:20.13 | bintut | plugwash: network install |
| 01:20.21 | Guerin | mmm, craack |
| 01:20.28 | bintut | plugwash: it's different with linux.. |
| 01:20.32 | maher | Flimzy: debootstrap? |
| 01:20.50 | maher | Flimzy: there are other ways to do it |
| 01:20.52 | Flimzy | maher: Yeah, that's what I was looking for. Thanks. |
| 01:21.52 | maher | so if i strace firefox and all it says is gettimeofday before the SIGSEGV - what should I dedude from that? |
| 01:22.05 | Stevie | that the segv is not related to the syscall |
| 01:22.21 | Stevie | and that you should probably break out the gdb |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | or your clock is between 00:00 and 23:59 |
| 01:22.45 | dvs | abrotman: oh you're so good! |
| 01:23.01 | abrotman | dvs: don't tell my boss .. he thinks i'm an idiot |
| 01:23.24 | dvs | abrotman: funny, so does mine! But I don't care! |
| 01:23.25 | predder | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.04 | Stevie | abrotman: Actually, I'd expect gettimeofday to segv if your clock is *not* between 00:00 and 23:59 |
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| 01:24.42 | bdrewery | what's the word on replacement gcc man pages? (I've read all about the GFDL, etc..) |
| 01:24.53 | maher | stupid question - does google maps use java? |
| 01:25.01 | abrotman | Stevie: eh ... how does the clock work on mars? |
| 01:25.02 | bdrewery | open the source and find out |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | maher: no |
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| 01:26.16 | jond3rd | bintut: ey! |
| 01:26.27 | Stevie | abrotman: I always wondered what would happen if gettimeofday() returned a usec count >= 1 million |
| 01:26.30 | plugwash | bintut all i can suggest is you try and find a model number and google for that and linux |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | Stevie: the bot would wet the floor |
| 01:26.45 | plugwash | either a model number for the box as a whole or for just the motherboard |
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| 01:27.10 | plugwash | once you can get some kind of linux running on the thing you should be able to use debootstrap to switch to debian |
| 01:27.24 | bdrewery | is matthias klose here? |
| 01:27.29 | Loto_ | Afternoon, I just installed the 'etch' release of debian via beta3 net-installer. The sarge installer installed a desktop enviroment when selecting the 'desktop' package but it appears the etch installer does not. I'd like to install a desktop enviroment (kde). I've installed |
| 01:27.33 | Kurtism | what will happen if I have both sid and etch sources in sources.list? |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | bdrewery: why? |
| 01:27.38 | Loto_ | the 'kde' package. Are there others I should install? |
| 01:28.01 | bdrewery | abrotman see my previous question |
| 01:28.07 | maher | Kurtism: bigger version number wins - you will get sid packages |
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| 01:28.23 | bintut | plugwash: don't you have any idea if there's a forum or irc channel for debian embedded? |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | bdrewery: about gcc man pages ? |
| 01:28.39 | bdrewery | yes |
| 01:28.48 | bdrewery | oh I see him on here |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | bdrewery: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/ |
| 01:29.08 | bdrewery | k |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | bdrewery: or check the bts |
| 01:30.29 | bdrewery | I'm reading 200003 right now |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | !dbugs 2000003 |
| 01:31.36 | dpkg | #:N[] ; |
| 01:31.37 | abrotman | !dbugs 200003 |
| 01:31.39 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:31.40 | dpkg | DONE:#200003:S[cpp] [NONFREE-DOC:UNMODIFIABLE] cpp: contains non-free manpages; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:18:16 UTC |
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| 01:31.47 | plugwash | bintut one other thing you could try if you have vmware handy |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | it's marked done |
| 01:32.15 | bdrewery | I see that |
| 01:32.16 | plugwash | if you can put the card in a pc reader and get vmware to use it as a hard drive then you could try using that to install debian |
| 01:32.32 | bdrewery | trying to find an answer about if/when gcc man pages will be replaced |
| 01:32.33 | plugwash | and hope it still boots when you stick it in the embedded box |
| 01:32.42 | maher | mozilla crashes too - why does it need to make 10000s of gettimeofday calls anyway? |
| 01:32.44 | abrotman | bdrewery: in sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 01:32.50 | bdrewery | unstable |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | uh . ok |
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| 01:33.00 | bdrewery | they got yanked out due to GFDL a week or so ago |
| 01:33.10 | bintut | plugwash: ok.. thanks. :) |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:33.32 | bdrewery | abrotman ? |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | i'm not sure i've read a gcc man page in quite some time .. |
| 01:34.10 | bdrewery | for compile/link options |
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| 01:39.34 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:39.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:41.45 | mhall_ | abrotman: GCC manual pages suck anyways, they are never up to date |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 01:42.01 | mhall_ | sonofabitch my network connection is flaky as fuck |
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| 01:42.17 | mhall | abrotman: not for long i assure you |
| 01:42.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:42.40 | smax | i have a fresh new installation of Debian 3.1 i plug in my USB hard drive, and nothing is showing up on the desktop |
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| 01:42.51 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 01:42.51 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 01:42.53 | smax | usually it is automattically mounted with gnome |
| 01:43.05 | maher | smax: are you in the plugdev group |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | and that too! |
| 01:43.21 | smax | oh ok |
| 01:43.22 | smax | thanx guys |
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| 01:45.19 | abrotman | eh .. is lastfm .. dead ? |
| 01:45.30 | smax | what command assignes a user to an addistional group ? |
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| 01:45.39 | abrotman | adduser <username> <group> |
| 01:45.45 | smax | oh ok |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | yeah |
| 01:46.18 | smax | ok im already plugdev |
| 01:46.58 | maher | abrotman: its down for me too |
| 01:47.00 | ootput | log in again if the change was recent |
| 01:47.36 | lunaphyte | why would asterisk appear to ignore an acl of default:group:asterisk-vmail:rwx and insist on writing files with rwx------ permissions? |
| 01:47.50 | abrotman | maher: that .. sucks |
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| 01:48.32 | smax | great ! |
| 01:48.38 | smax | thanx fellaz |
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| 01:51.57 | DarlMcBride | j #justlinux |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | maher: fix it! |
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| 01:56.32 | DarlMcBride | Remember remember the 5th of November |
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| 01:58.16 | abrotman | DarlMcBride: are you bored? |
| 01:58.32 | DarlMcBride | yes |
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| 01:59.48 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I wouldnt mentioned bored in here |
| 02:00.02 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: opps I forgot my ' in wouldnt |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | i know .. stupidspeak will start again |
| 02:00.11 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 02:00.28 | jharrisonwk | I did not realize things had gotten so uptight in here |
| 02:00.44 | DarlMcBride | jharrisonwk, you need to be banned |
| 02:00.51 | DarlMcBride | you left the ' out of "wouldnt" |
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| 02:01.13 | DarlMcBride | it's people like you who ruin my silent evening in #debian |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | or at least whipped |
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| 02:01.43 | mfrisch | I have dovecot set up as imaps and can connect using evolution but my mail notification does not connect. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 02:01.54 | jharrisonwk | I got whipped last night |
| 02:01.59 | magyar | !hi |
| 02:01.59 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
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| 02:03.50 | dpkg | hello, n00rul |
| 02:03.55 | n00rul | !help |
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| 02:04.19 | n00rul | !kernel |
| 02:04.21 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.11, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc5-git1, 2.4: 2.4.33.2, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc4-mm3 |
| 02:04.56 | phogg | !abuse dpkg |
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| 02:06.08 | DarlMcBride | I cannot believe that no one knows my name |
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| 02:07.10 | phogg | DarlMcBride: Cheers. |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | DarlMcBride: or noone cares |
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| 02:11.37 | j4cbo | what version of the kernel is in the sarge installer cd? |
| 02:12.23 | Dewi | there's a 2.4 and a 2.6 |
| 02:12.32 | Dewi | I don't know exactly |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | 2.4.18 and 2.6.8 |
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| 02:17.46 | j4cbo | nother |
| 02:17.47 | j4cbo | er |
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| 02:17.48 | j4cbo | bother |
| 02:18.01 | j4cbo | i think i need 2.4.21 for my ethernet chip |
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| 02:18.09 | abrotman | so use 2.6.8 |
| 02:18.12 | zebalin4 | Been trying all afternoon to get new printer/scanner to work. Prints, but won't scan. Kooka and xsane don't see device. Any ideas? It's hp c3180 with hplip. |
| 02:18.12 | oywol | which irc client support ssl? |
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| 02:19.47 | CHodapp | zebalin4, try 'rmmod usblp', it's possible that it's claimed it as a printer and so it can't be accessed as a scanner at the same time |
| 02:20.00 | CHodapp | I had that issue with my Epson all-in-one that was really just a scanner with the whole printer part removed |
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| 02:20.15 | abrotman | use modprobe -r |
| 02:20.44 | j4cbo | doesn't seem to be in 2.6.8 either... |
| 02:20.49 | j4cbo | intel 82541 |
| 02:21.08 | j4cbo | the module is e1000 but that particular chip was only added recently |
| 02:21.20 | zebalin4 | I don't think I want to mess with my kernel. is modprobe -r permanent? |
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| 02:21.31 | abrotman | j4cbo: lspci .. what does it say ? |
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| 02:21.36 | DarlMcBride | I love channels that wont let you change your nick |
| 02:21.40 | DarlMcBride | fucking dictators |
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| 02:22.08 | j4cbo | abrotman: i don't have an install yet so i don't have lspci |
| 02:22.24 | CHodapp | zebalin4, no, anything 'modprobe' does won't matter when you reboot |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | j4cbo: i doubt you need 2.4.21 exactly for it |
| 02:22.34 | j4cbo | openfirmware says /pci/8086,1376@10 |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | j4cbo: that should work with linux26 |
| 02:22.51 | abrotman | if not .. |
| 02:23.01 | abrotman | !tell j4cbo about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 02:23.06 | Loto_ | when i try and startx i get 'cannot load module 'mouse' (module does not exist). how do i fix this? |
| 02:23.21 | j4cbo | yeah, i'll just install it using the onboard ethernet |
| 02:23.37 | j4cbo | probably wind up compiling my own kernel anyway |
| 02:23.55 | tuv | how sweet.. i created a ubcd4win cd to install the bios update, but it refused to install. says not made for my system!! i give up |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:24.31 | cratylus | Loto_: try modprobe mousedev , and then startx. I just had the problem and that fixed it |
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| 02:25.35 | Loto_ | thanks |
| 02:25.44 | CHodapp | zebalin4, any luck? |
| 02:26.02 | cratylus | Loto_: surely, if that works. you need to add a line with the world mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 02:26.05 | zebalin4 | I just did modprob -r usblp. I'll try kooka now. |
| 02:26.24 | Loto_ | no such luck |
| 02:26.30 | cratylus | do'h |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | Loto_: grep mouse /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. any lines ? |
| 02:27.00 | zebalin4 | CHodapp: nope, still is not recognized. |
| 02:27.22 | CHodapp | is lsusb available? |
| 02:27.28 | cratylus | hey all, anyone with driverloader experience. I've tried installing it with both dpkg and from the tarball and bust both times |
| 02:27.49 | Loto_ | 1 moment |
| 02:27.58 | zebalin4 | CHodapp: is that a command? |
| 02:28.05 | CHodapp | should be |
| 02:28.09 | CHodapp | but it may not be installed |
| 02:28.27 | Loto_ | pornstar:~# grep mouse /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:28.27 | Loto_ | Driver "mouse" |
| 02:28.32 | Loto_ | abrotman ^ |
| 02:28.51 | zebalin4 | CHodapp: I have it: it shows: Bus 005 Device 003: ID 03f0:5611 Hewlett-Packard |
| 02:28.52 | abrotman | that 'mouse' should exist |
| 02:29.09 | CHodapp | ok |
| 02:29.27 | Loto_ | startx gives me |
| 02:29.27 | Loto_ | (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | Loto: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:30.02 | Loto_ | xserver-xorg is already the newest version. |
| 02:30.26 | Loto_ | is it possibly because i use a usb mouse not a ps2? |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | Loto_: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 02:31.44 | Loto_ | thanks abrotman, that fixed that error |
| 02:31.58 | abrotman | Loto_: you probably want to `apt-get install x-window-system-core` |
| 02:31.59 | Loto_ | but it still complains 'no screens found' |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | Loto_: is the error different ? |
| 02:32.39 | Loto_ | also get line |
| 02:32.40 | Loto_ | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | look above that |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:32.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:33.39 | zebalin4 | CHodapp: any other ideas? |
| 02:34.01 | CHodapp | zebalin4, short of searching the USB ID, not much |
| 02:34.13 | zebalin4 | xsane just aborts if it does not see a device. |
| 02:34.29 | CHodapp | you trying as root? |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 02:34.35 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 02:34.46 | zebalin4 | tried a root, didn't work either |
| 02:34.46 | liquidangle | does anyone here live in washinton state ? |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | i want a date! |
| 02:35.01 | liquidangle | lol |
| 02:35.14 | CHodapp | that's BRILLIANT! Ask on IRC! |
| 02:35.19 | Kr0m | how do you list the packages installed on a system? |
| 02:35.23 | liquidangle | <---- wants to move to WA |
| 02:35.24 | Loto_ | abrotman http://channels.debian.net/paste/3585 |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | Kr0m: dpkg -l |
| 02:35.58 | abrotman | Loto_: is that the whole file ? |
| 02:36.08 | Kr0m | abrotman, is that the packages available or the packages installed? |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | !installed |
| 02:36.22 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 02:36.26 | zebalin4 | I tired ubuntu but it would not let me add a printer ... but it saw my printer. ubuntu live cd is borked. I think I will try mepis as I think I have a cd for that. |
| 02:36.28 | Loto_ | thats the output to the console, ill fetch the full log |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | Loto_: ah ok |
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| 02:37.48 | Loto_ | abrotman : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3586 |
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| 02:38.19 | Loto_ | just fyi i am running etch |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | Loto_: do you actually have a neomagic card? |
| 02:38.28 | Kr0m | abrotman, thx |
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| 02:38.47 | Loto_ | absolutly not |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | uhm |
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| 02:39.06 | abrotman | it's loading the neomagic driver |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | !drxx Loto_ |
| 02:39.11 | dpkg | Loto_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:39.25 | abrotman | Loto_: what do you have ? |
| 02:39.31 | Loto_ | nv ti4200 |
| 02:39.37 | Loto_ | nv25 based card iirc |
| 02:40.00 | abrotman | you can try nv or vesa .. i'm not an expert on nvidia hardware/drivers |
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| 02:42.56 | Loto_ | the dpkg-reconfigure doesnt give me many video driver options. Is there a way to install more? |
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| 02:43.43 | zebalin4 | CHodapp: now I can't print. how do I get usblp back? |
| 02:43.48 | zebalin4 | I need to reboot?? |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | Loto_: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 02:44.07 | CHodapp | modprobe usblp |
| 02:44.24 | Loto_ | already installed |
| 02:44.25 | CHodapp | or just unplug and plug back in and it should hotplug |
| 02:44.45 | abrotman | Loto_: apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video .. get the ones you want |
| 02:44.57 | Loto_ | thanks |
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| 02:46.31 | zebalin4 | CHodapp: nope, neither modprobe nor plug/unplug worked. I'll reboot. |
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| 02:47.54 | oywol | which irc client support ssl? |
| 02:48.31 | freeone3000 | Konversation, wouldn't suprise me if irssi did... |
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| 02:49.07 | Kr0m | is ubuntu based on debian? i'm setting up a virtual machine on vmware and it doesn't list debian for some reason... |
| 02:49.27 | freeone3000 | Ubuntu is based on debian, and is dumbed down for the general populace. |
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| 02:49.58 | Kr0m | freeone3000, thx |
| 02:50.01 | streuner | oywol: why do you think you need SSL in IRC? |
| 02:50.07 | stoned | I like xchat, but I like irssi more |
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| 02:50.28 | oywol | streuner, some irc network allow ssl only |
| 02:50.33 | stoned | streuner, maybe if you're putting a hit out on someone on irc, you might want to keep that secure you know |
| 02:50.43 | oywol | stoned, does irssi support ssl? |
| 02:50.48 | freeone3000 | I connect to rizon through SSL. |
| 02:50.51 | stoned | I think so |
| 02:50.56 | freeone3000 | Because... well, it's rizon... |
| 02:50.59 | stoned | I've never encounted an irc server that requires ssl |
| 02:51.07 | streuner | oywol: apt-cache show irssi-text | grep -i depends |
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| 02:51.24 | Deather | hello |
| 02:52.32 | streuner | Which sense does it make using SSL if the network should be open to everyone? |
| 02:52.34 | Deather | I've a problem with a fresh debian testing: every X program which use colors tell me "unknow color <colorname>", such as xsetroot, or twm, or windowmaker... i've /etc/X11/rgb.txt which seems okay though... |
| 02:52.36 | nvz | can someone help me troubleshoot tor/privoxy I set it up according to the instructions on their website http://tor.eff.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en when I try load google it says the document contains no data I dont know where I am going wrong |
| 02:53.30 | Loto_ | abrotman : after dpkg-reconfigure im gettign the error "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 02:53.30 | Loto_ | customized |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 02:53.45 | Loto_ | this is a binary file... im confused on what has been changed |
| 02:53.50 | abrotman | how'd we figure that out |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | the error is wrong |
| 02:54.01 | abrotman | !xorgmd5 |
| 02:54.01 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
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| 02:54.31 | Loto_ | hopefully its just the error string :) |
| 02:55.52 | Loto_ | :/ |
| 02:56.49 | Loto_ | didnt work after "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" so I "md5sum /etc/X11/X > /var/lib/x11/X.md5sum" |
| 02:56.56 | Loto_ | but it still complained |
| 02:57.16 | Loto_ | perhaps i should reinstall the xserver-xorg package |
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| 02:59.41 | Loto_ | god damn, same error after "apt-get remove xserver-xorg", "apt-get clean". error appears during "apt-get install xserver-xorg" |
| 03:00.21 | Deather | you may try to backup your xorg.conf file, then remove it |
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| 03:01.53 | Loto_ | quick google search revealed "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " as a working command to fix it |
| 03:02.24 | Loto_ | my god it ran |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | Loto_: did it work ? |
| 03:02.32 | Loto_ | amazing :) abrotman you rock |
| 03:02.35 | Loto_ | couple errors left |
| 03:02.38 | Loto_ | but i can likely fix then |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | Loto_: i meant about the /etc/X11/X thingie |
| 03:02.50 | Loto_ | yes |
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| 03:03.48 | abrotman | !xserver-xorg postinst warning is "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:03.48 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 03:03.52 | abrotman | whoops |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | !no xserver-xorg postinst warning is "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 03:04.00 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | i guessi should make that more descriptive |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | !no xserver-xorg postinst warning is If you get an error that states "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" please run "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 03:04.52 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | better ? |
| 03:05.21 | Loto_ | sounds good to me |
| 03:05.31 | abrotman | i'll never find that tomorrow |
| 03:05.33 | Loto_ | originating thread of info is http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=31060&sid=0180fbcd8fb5fc70dc99eedf0f8bb59d |
| 03:05.44 | minerale | I have user access on a half broken university computer, is there any way I can put the termcap and terminfo files in my home folder and have them put to use ? |
| 03:07.24 | Loto_ | is " |
| 03:07.24 | Loto_ | error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 03:07.34 | Loto_ | a serious error? |
| 03:07.52 | mhall | minerale: yes |
| 03:08.02 | mhall | minerale: there are local versions which are supported on some unices |
| 03:09.00 | ChompWizd | hmm, i'm not supposed to have an h |
| 03:09.06 | minerale | mhall: how do I have zsh and other binaries read my local termcap/info file ? |
| 03:09.13 | freeone3000 | Hah. |
| 03:09.14 | mhall | CompWizrd: maybe you're a perl hacker on the inside |
| 03:09.47 | Loto_ | hurrah, kde starts on boot |
| 03:09.48 | mhall | minerale: one sec |
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| 03:10.15 | freeone3000 | Loto_: And that's good? |
| 03:10.21 | streuner | mhall: hey dude :-) |
| 03:10.39 | minerale | mhall: I tried setting $TERMCAP=/path/to/file ... that didn't do it |
| 03:10.48 | Kr0m | looks like red hat is dead |
| 03:12.21 | CompWizrd | mhall: i can read perl, i don't write it :) |
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| 03:12.28 | CompWizrd | this is where someone will spit out some line noise and ask me to read it.... |
| 03:12.32 | freeone3000 | You can read perl? |
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| 03:12.59 | CompWizrd | and french too! |
| 03:13.20 | freeone3000 | French. |
| 03:13.25 | freeone3000 | The cobol of languages. |
| 03:13.42 | Loto_ | freeone3000 : lol yes. need it for mythtv |
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| 03:13.54 | CompWizrd | 10 years of french language teaching.. welcome to the canadian educational system :) |
| 03:14.11 | mhall | evil directory: 666M |
| 03:14.13 | mhall | streuner: 'lo |
| 03:14.19 | mhall | minerale: hmm what unix is this bastard |
| 03:14.20 | streuner | not a bad idea to teach french |
| 03:14.35 | Loto_ | wewt |
| 03:14.43 | freeone3000 | I'm in Spanish III. |
| 03:14.44 | freeone3000 | Hail the US. |
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| 03:15.06 | streuner | hm, you need to talk sometimes with workers :-) |
| 03:15.19 | freeone3000 | "Er. Yeah. You'll need three years of spanish.." "This is TEXAS. Everyone ALREADY speaks spanish." "GOod, it should be easy." ANd it is... |
| 03:15.39 | minerale | mhall: it's solaris |
| 03:15.53 | mhall | minerale: hmm, there was this one terminal type that i got to work in slowlaris |
| 03:15.56 | mhall | minerale: what version |
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| 03:25.32 | minerale | mhall: 5.10 |
| 03:26.27 | mhall | minerale: ouch |
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| 03:44.16 | soundsoldier | hi all, i'm trying to get jre running with firefox on my stable system. any ideas on what may be causing this error? http://pastebin.com/779437 |
| 03:44.25 | seb- | what is purpose of /srv on debian system? |
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| 03:50.23 | BiG1 | hey what should my netmask be? |
| 03:50.55 | BiG1 | bcast is 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:51.10 | streuner | yes |
| 03:51.21 | streuner | that's what you need in most cases |
| 03:51.35 | BiG1 | for bcast and mask? |
| 03:52.09 | streuner | bcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 03:52.23 | mutk | BiG1, bcast is usually <net address>.255 |
| 03:52.31 | BiG1 | my net work is 10.1.1.* |
| 03:52.40 | BiG1 | gw is 10.1.1.1 |
| 03:53.09 | mutk | BiG1, Ok, bcast == 10.1.1.255 if the netmask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:53.44 | dcstimm_ | plugwash, also since one would be a hfs/iso and the other would be a plain iso, the mac boot loader wouldnt see the plain iso as boot and the pc wouldnt see the hfs/hybrid as bootable, so it works |
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| 03:55.39 | BiG1 | it's got a route 10.1.1.0 * |
| 03:55.45 | BiG1 | how do I get rid of it? |
| 03:56.08 | Guerin | BiG1: man routse, look for 'del' |
| 03:56.22 | Guerin | route, not routse.cx |
| 03:56.25 | BiG1 | I know the route del default gw command |
| 03:56.41 | BiG1 | but it's not default |
| 03:56.51 | streuner | usually in debian the route is set by interfaces |
| 03:57.46 | streuner | BiG1: did you read the examples in ifupdown package yet? |
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| 03:58.02 | Guerin | BiG1: route del allows you to delete ANY route, not just the default, hence RTFM |
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| 04:10.14 | laserbeak43 | hi i'm using bochs debian for the first time and whenever i try to run it it asks me for a user name and password but i never set one before is there a default login or something? |
| 04:11.07 | Dewi | laserbeak43: what debian? sounds like something that isn't debian |
| 04:11.42 | Dewi | laserbeak43: debian doesn't ask you for a password until you set one |
| 04:12.05 | streuner | laserbeak43: you could always use dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 04:12.07 | streuner | if the package itself support debconf |
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| 04:12.22 | laserbeak43 | it's called bochs debian |
| 04:12.38 | laserbeak43 | a shell emulator running a debian distro |
| 04:13.14 | laserbeak43 | so i just type dpkg-reconfigure but whats a package? |
| 04:13.23 | laserbeak43 | sorry for the newb questions |
| 04:14.27 | streuner | package is, for example, a foo.deb which contains binaries |
| 04:15.01 | streuner | so in your case it would be "bochs" |
| 04:15.51 | laserbeak43 | so dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
| 04:16.01 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure bochs |
| 04:16.14 | laserbeak43 | k thanks i'll try that |
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| 04:18.11 | laserbeak43 | wont work |
| 04:18.25 | laserbeak43 | wont even gimme a chance to type it |
| 04:18.33 | laserbeak43 | it goes straight to the login |
| 04:18.43 | laserbeak43 | i'm gonna ask on the bochs site or something |
| 04:18.54 | laserbeak43 | ijust figured it'd be quicker to ask here |
| 04:18.58 | laserbeak43 | thanks guys |
| 04:20.30 | pickcoder | how do I change initrd to look for a specific device to put /proc and /sys in? |
| 04:21.14 | digits | pickcoder: man fstab perhaps |
| 04:21.18 | pickcoder | done that |
| 04:21.20 | pickcoder | and update mtab |
| 04:21.36 | pickcoder | even re-run dpkg-reconfigure on all of the initrd packages |
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| 04:21.54 | pickcoder | I'm trying to remove soft raid |
| 04:22.25 | pickcoder | but init premount is still setting up md0 |
| 04:22.30 | pickcoder | even though it doesn't exist anymore |
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| 04:30.17 | sanmarcos | is a 10mb nic enough to play a dvd over a network? |
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| 04:30.46 | grendal_prime | anyone using a dell inspiron 6000? |
| 04:31.03 | grendal_prime | im having one bitch of a time getting the nick to work ...of all things.. |
| 04:31.10 | grendal_prime | seems odd that the nic would not work |
| 04:31.18 | Dewi | streuner: he is running debian in bochs |
| 04:31.36 | Dewi | streuner: he is using some prebuilt disk image and he can't be bothered looking up the root password in the docs, so he comes here and asks us |
| 04:31.50 | Dewi | streuner: as if we'd know the root password of some disk image he's got! |
| 04:32.08 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: it's probably not a good idea |
| 04:32.14 | sanmarcos | pickcoder: why? |
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| 04:32.55 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: give it a try and find out <g> |
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| 04:35.06 | dendrite | sanmarcos: While a DVD's bitrate is less than 10 MB/s, I'm not sure about the uncompressed video... |
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| 04:35.18 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: if you've got a full-duplex connection, then you may be OK if the player buffers a lot |
| 04:35.32 | sanmarcos | its all about money |
| 04:36.05 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: there is overhead, so you don't get 10MB/sec transfer rate. You may get 1-2MB/sec if you're lucky |
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| 04:37.36 | scx | Hi, could someone please reccomend me a wireless card that works fine under 64bits kernels |
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| 04:38.07 | sanmarcos | i dont even know why people buy 64 bit machines.. they have so many software/driver troubles |
| 04:38.16 | sanmarcos | and the benefits are not for regular users anyways |
| 04:38.35 | jdhutchin1 | people with 64-bit machines have lots of software/driver troubles? |
| 04:38.36 | jdhutchin1 | news to me |
| 04:38.47 | dendrite | sanmarcos: They're nice for handling video... |
| 04:38.50 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: if you can get a board with PCI-X then you can get nice i/o rates |
| 04:38.59 | pickcoder | and the math calcs are tons faster |
| 04:39.02 | sanmarcos | pickcoder: again, motherfucking money |
| 04:39.56 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: you expect a sports car for the price of a go cart? |
| 04:39.58 | scx | actually I have troubles only with two devices, all other things work fine |
| 04:40.16 | scx | just I need a wireless and a modem |
| 04:40.29 | Dewi | I don't run a 64bit OS though |
| 04:40.43 | scx | :s |
| 04:40.54 | pickcoder | Dewi do you run a 32-bit user space with 64bit kernel? |
| 04:41.04 | Dewi | no, I run windows XP |
| 04:41.15 | Dewi | my linux machine doesn't need that much power |
| 04:41.15 | scx | :p |
| 04:43.10 | Dewi | nothing can enter testing anymore without 64-bit testing, can it? |
| 04:43.17 | scx | mine does, 'cause of I run my games with wine :s |
| 04:44.30 | pickcoder | even on Windows, it's really pointless to have a 64-bit environment cuz 98% of the applications out there are written for 32-bit. |
| 04:44.49 | Dewi | sanmarcos: I've never gotten a DVD to play even with 100mbps |
| 04:44.54 | CompWizrd | i vaguely remember you lose 16 bit compatibility with 64bit windows, true/false/ |
| 04:44.55 | CompWizrd | ? |
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| 04:45.18 | dendrite | pickcoder: It's not the 98% of apps that matter. It's the one you need that matters. ;-) |
| 04:45.34 | Dewi | sanmarcos: well some low-bitrate ones are okay. For some reason my CPU usage goes through the roof though... this is windows again of course. |
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| 04:45.36 | pickcoder | dendrite: yeah |
| 04:45.43 | sanmarcos | Dewi: it works fine with VLC |
| 04:45.53 | shalamar7 | hi all |
| 04:46.09 | sanmarcos | Dewi: I am trying to play 2001 a Space Oddyssey. I get no image or video with 100mbps or 10 |
| 04:46.34 | sanmarcos | Dewi: if I had more money, I probably could have enjoyed my dvd. That is life |
| 04:46.56 | Dewi | sanmarcos: why not watch it locally? |
| 04:47.20 | Dewi | a DVD drive costs about the same as 2 DVDs, doesn't it? |
| 04:47.35 | sanmarcos | Dewi: I have one 40gb drive and 3 other 8gb drives I collected of the street. No space for cd roms in my bus. If I had more money.. yet again |
| 04:48.49 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: yet you are reading a DVD from somewhere, over LAN? |
| 04:49.15 | Dewi | sanmarcos: 8gb IDE? that's probably due for a failure :) |
| 04:49.28 | sanmarcos | I had two fail already (replaced with more ghetto) |
| 04:49.37 | sanmarcos | pickcoder: yes, from a server that has a dvd drive |
| 04:49.51 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: rip the DVD into an ISO |
| 04:50.04 | sanmarcos | right, on a P3 500 and 1gb free space |
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| 04:50.17 | pickcoder | you can even have it compress it into SVCD or more compact MPEG4 |
| 04:50.18 | Dewi | sanmarcos: get a job instead of wasting time hunting for HDs in the ghetto? |
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| 04:50.30 | sanmarcos | nice quote |
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| 04:51.20 | sanmarcos | yes I got a call today, but I called back and the guy was not there |
| 04:51.39 | dendrite | sanmarcos: flumotion? |
| 04:51.40 | sanmarcos | but Ill call back tomorrow Dewi. Maybe finally I could get a bigger influx of this green thing that makes life easier |
| 04:52.02 | Dewi | sanmarcos: money is more necessary than evil |
| 04:52.14 | sanmarcos | well, evil is necessary sometimes to advance and make money |
| 04:52.24 | Dewi | true. |
| 04:52.28 | sanmarcos | but think of it as an intelligence job, you have to achieve something, the rest doesnt matter. Morality doesnt come into play |
| 04:52.32 | sanmarcos | look at CEO's |
| 04:52.33 | Dewi | we can't all be google :) |
| 04:53.08 | sanmarcos | if some evil has to happen, then let it happen |
| 04:53.12 | Dewi | people care about morality... one day the infrastructure of accountability will hopefully catch up |
| 04:53.37 | Dewi | but it hasn't yet so everyone just has to try to compete with evil |
| 04:53.47 | freakzoid0223 | sanmarcos, thats why we have windows : ) |
| 04:54.12 | sanmarcos | yes, I used to fix pcs, so I love windows |
| 04:54.17 | sanmarcos | Bill Gates fed my children |
| 04:54.23 | sanmarcos | thank you for writing crap software |
| 04:54.27 | dendrite | sanmarcos: Have you looked into using flumotion? |
| 04:54.37 | freakzoid0223 | amen |
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| 04:54.53 | sanmarcos | dendrite: no, never liked gstreamer. The performance is probably worst than direct samba raw dvd |
| 04:54.57 | nvz | unless someone wants to help me figure out why privoxy doesnt work |
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| 04:55.03 | dendrite | sanmarcos: Mmm. |
| 04:55.08 | sanmarcos | amen brother, freakzoid0223 |
| 04:55.11 | sanmarcos | so say we all |
| 04:55.11 | nvz | I am leaning toward ditching it |
| 04:55.19 | pickcoder | privoxy? |
| 04:55.34 | nvz | yeah tor works fine, but privoxy is a bit bucket |
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| 04:55.57 | nvz | the tor website led me to believe it provides no anonimity without a filtering proxy |
| 04:56.04 | nvz | suggested privoxy |
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| 04:56.17 | Dewi | nvz: privoxy does seem a bit crap doesn't it? |
| 04:56.30 | Dewi | nvz: I can't figure out what anonymity it is providing by default, if any |
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| 04:56.42 | Dewi | nvz: the point is that tor will provide network transport anonymity |
| 04:56.45 | nvz | I guess my log files are empty, and I get "document contains no data" dialogs when I try load a page through it |
| 04:56.47 | starfishy | i have Xgl running on a Debian sid system, but the default fonts it loads are much too large |
| 04:56.56 | Dewi | nvz: but it won't stop you from giving yourself away by doing DNS lookups and sending cookies |
| 04:57.00 | starfishy | i can adjust KDE but several applications still have these huge fonts |
| 04:57.01 | nvz | Dewi: yeah but doesnt filter the packets |
| 04:57.12 | simonrvn | starfishy: try running at 75 dpi |
| 04:57.33 | starfishy | how do I do that? |
| 04:57.51 | simonrvn | depends. using a dm? |
| 04:57.57 | starfishy | gdm |
| 04:58.00 | simonrvn | or just startx? |
| 04:58.03 | nvz | tor works because I tested tor's socks proxy with gaim, and privoxy works because I can connect to it with the web browser but I dont get any pages through it |
| 04:58.04 | grendal_prime | anyone using a dell inspiron 6000? |
| 04:58.04 | starfishy | no, gdm |
| 04:58.10 | Dewi | nvz: btw firefox has an about:config option to do DNS on the remote end instead of leaking locally |
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| 04:58.18 | simonrvn | ok, you'll have to edit one of the files. sec |
| 04:58.32 | simonrvn | regardless, you have to edit something, either way ;) |
| 04:58.37 | starfishy | pickcoder: i need the real estate for coding |
| 04:58.56 | Dewi | nvz: I just told privoxy to use the tor socks5 upstream and it worked... it was pretty dodgy though |
| 04:59.12 | Dewi | nvz: many many many incomprehensible options |
| 04:59.21 | starfishy | simonrvn: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf? |
| 04:59.32 | starfishy | i had to add the font path so it wouldnt complain about missing fonts |
| 04:59.45 | starfishy | can I just add another option to the Xgl line? |
| 05:00.09 | starfishy | command=/usr/X11R6/bin/Xgl :0 -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:fbo -fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
| 05:00.23 | nvz | Dewi: hmm I followed the document on tor website said something about adding socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . |
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| 05:00.43 | simonrvn | starfishy: oh yes, you can do that from gdmsetup |
| 05:01.04 | simonrvn | find the '-dpi 96' and change to 75 |
| 05:01.29 | nvz | Dewi: I dont know what to do since all I get is the document contains no data. I am not sure where the problem lies but I know its somewhere in privoxy because I can connect with tor alone using socks: 127.0.0.1:9050 in gaim |
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| 05:02.00 | quitte | hi. how can i find out if my network is loosing packets? |
| 05:02.15 | simonrvn | in this section: [server-Standard] |
| 05:02.17 | peterS | quitte: ping -f is the brute force way to get an idea |
| 05:02.21 | dendrite | quitte: ping is the usual tool for that. |
| 05:02.22 | starfishy | ok, gonna log out to try |
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| 05:02.46 | peterS | quitte: note however that 'flood ping' is just as unfriendly as the name suggests |
| 05:03.11 | quitte | it's my network and my machines |
| 05:03.25 | simonrvn | yeh right. naw, j/k :) |
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| 05:03.29 | VivekVC | Does Debian use the /linuxrc file ? |
| 05:03.35 | nvz | obvioulsy. your machines are the network |
| 05:03.36 | quitte | so 0% packet loss means my cabling is alright and nfs being slow is some other problem? |
| 05:03.49 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:03.59 | VivekVC | simonrvn: was that for me ? |
| 05:04.02 | nvz | nfs slow? no way, I wont believe it :P |
| 05:04.10 | pickcoder | heh |
| 05:04.14 | simonrvn | i've getting that intermittently too, but i haven't pinned it down yet |
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| 05:04.39 | simonrvn | rsize=16384,wsize=16384 |
| 05:04.41 | nvz | I tried nfs for a while thinking it was a more linux way of doing things since I didnt have windows boxes.. but I switched back to samba |
| 05:04.45 | quitte | it's really damn slow |
| 05:04.55 | soundsoldier | hi all, I'm running into troubles when running java apps throguh firefox. I'm seeing this error: http://pastebin.com/779466 Any idea how I could gather more detailed information about whats going wrong here or ideas on hwo to fix? |
| 05:05.08 | nvz | I get average 1.5M transfers through my shitty router with samba |
| 05:05.23 | simonrvn | quitte: try this: unmount all the nfs shares, full stop, then start the nfsd again |
| 05:05.36 | quitte | well, i want it for a diskless client. so samba is not an option. ataoe maybe? |
| 05:05.51 | nvz | I used to get average 890kb or so when I was using the hub alone.. but apperently the hub in the router is better than the other hub I have.. or maybe its a switch *shrug* |
| 05:05.52 | quitte | simonrvn: tried that several times it always is slow |
| 05:06.00 | simonrvn | i tried it, but i didn't unmount anything, so i didn't notice any change. right now, they're fast... it's strange |
| 05:06.40 | pickcoder | nvz: a swtich and a hub are drastically different. <G> |
| 05:06.42 | simonrvn | after a reboot (last time because i hit the fucking wall plug with my foot), it was ok. wth |
| 05:06.49 | dendrite | soundsoldier: Does that error appear with all and sundry Java apps, or with one in particular? I ask because that error looks like it's coming from within some particular app...? |
| 05:07.00 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah well its all in the little black box.. so I dont know. I am not a network guru |
| 05:07.42 | soundsoldier | dendrite: here's the really weird part. this app works when i run firefox as root. I've tried a few including the sun test app and it holds true that root is the only user able to run these |
| 05:07.43 | nvz | pickcoder: all I know is I have a netgear 8 port hub and I get better speeds on my lan now that I am jacked into this black box instead of that hub |
| 05:07.46 | pickcoder | nvz: a switch partitions the connections and packets so you get full bandwidth on each port.. a hub is a broadcast repeater so you get 100MB / port count |
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| 05:08.09 | dendrite | soundsoldier: Does this app bind to low ports? |
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| 05:08.30 | soundsoldier | dendrite: it shouldnt, but then again who knows |
| 05:08.41 | pickcoder | s/port count/active port count |
| 05:08.42 | dendrite | soundsoldier: Run it as root, and use netstat. |
| 05:09.17 | nvz | well I only have two boxes hooked up |
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| 05:09.24 | nvz | so I am only using two ports |
| 05:09.31 | Heston | why would the gnome battery charge monitor report that i dont have a battery when hal seems to be picking up all the right data on my ups? |
| 05:09.57 | nvz | Heston: its probably reading the wrong device node or proc entry for status info |
| 05:10.14 | Heston | how would i correct that? |
| 05:10.26 | dendrite | Heston: Different things. The gnome battery monitor is looking for a notebook battery? |
| 05:10.30 | nvz | Heston: its probably looking for a laptop battery and you are talking about a ups battery |
| 05:10.49 | peterS | right, you'd have to educate the battery monitor that there are different sorts of battery users might care about (: |
| 05:10.57 | Dewi | where would be a normal place in the filesystem to keep files that belong to several users... like projects in development... documentation... documents... and so on? |
| 05:11.08 | Heston | ok, sounds reasonable, again, how do i correct this? |
| 05:11.15 | pickcoder | Dewi: is that a trick question? <g> |
| 05:11.23 | nvz | Heston: *shrug* how are _you_ getting this info? |
| 05:11.24 | dendrite | Dewi: My first instinct is somewhere under /var |
| 05:11.27 | peterS | Dewi: /srv is intended for data served via network services. that might be somewhere close to what you mean |
| 05:11.40 | Dewi | peterS: I do use /srv a lot but I feel like I'm stretching it now |
| 05:11.43 | peterS | Dewi: I've also often seen shared project data in a /home/projectname |
| 05:11.48 | Heston | nvz, which info specifically? |
| 05:11.50 | nvz | Heston: my guess would be to link your info to /proc/acpi/battery/bat0/state or something |
| 05:12.00 | nvz | Heston: the ups info.. where does it come from |
| 05:12.11 | Heston | i just checked hal-device |
| 05:12.11 | dendrite | Dewi: But, better yet, use some sort of revision control, and let people manage their changes in their own home dirs. |
| 05:12.14 | Heston | and found my ups |
| 05:12.19 | soundsoldier | dendrite: nope, nothing less than 1024 |
| 05:12.39 | Dewi | dendrite: some things don't belong in version control |
| 05:12.45 | nvz | Heston: well the battery applet in gnome is designed to monitor the /proc/acpi/ batteries for laptops |
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| 05:12.47 | Dewi | dendrite: I do already have a VC |
| 05:12.51 | dendrite | soundsoldier: Interesting. Any way you can run that Java app inside an 'strace' sandbox and see what it's blocking on, as a regular user? |
| 05:13.04 | nvz | Heston: its not programmed to check hal-device whatever the hell that is |
| 05:13.19 | Heston | nvz, when i look at the about page for the gnome battery applet, it says it has a hal backend |
| 05:13.21 | dendrite | Dewi: A VC should largely eliminate the need to have shared file space, I would think. |
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| 05:13.34 | nvz | Heston: so try reconfiguring it |
| 05:13.48 | harshal_P | hi, i am looking for downloading debian woody iso |
| 05:13.53 | dendrite | Dewi: What sorts of things would you say don't belong in revision control? |
| 05:13.55 | harshal_P | 3 or 4 of them |
| 05:14.02 | harshal_P | i am not able to find them |
| 05:14.05 | tenzing_ | hi ... what application on debian can open a .7z archive file |
| 05:14.06 | Heston | nvz, there doesnt appear to be anything i can reconfigure with regards to the device it's looking at |
| 05:14.13 | Dewi | dendrite: most things that are not text or are large in size |
| 05:14.24 | Dewi | dendrite: a zipped backup of some work in progress... |
| 05:14.32 | Dewi | dendrite: databases |
| 05:14.35 | ice_1963 | when did dvd+rw-tools get removed from etch's ? |
| 05:14.55 | dendrite | Dewi: Databases under /var, for sure. A zipped backup of a project is silly if you use VC. |
| 05:15.04 | pickcoder | tenzing_: that's a windows archive format from 7-zip |
| 05:15.14 | pickcoder | tenzing_: you can problably find source for a port for it |
| 05:15.17 | nvz | Heston: thats what I figured.. last I used it which was a year or two ago it reads acpi status and if your ups thingy isnt writing info through acpi which its most likely not.. its communicating via a serial connection.. then its not going to work. |
| 05:15.27 | peter_ | tenzing_: p7zip |
| 05:15.35 | dendrite | Dewi: And large binary objects are a good question. Some say that modern VC's can handle those... |
| 05:16.20 | pickcoder | l8rz |
| 05:16.20 | Heston | nvz, it's actually communication through usb...yes still serial but i thought id mention that |
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| 05:16.28 | nvz | Heston: I dont see why you'd want to monitor its battery status anyhow.. its not a laptop. the ups is just designed to present an uninterruptable power source in case of a breif power outtage if the outtage lasts its suppose to send a signal via serial to tell the machine to shut down |
| 05:16.29 | Dewi | dendrite: they can't handle them without growing very very big |
| 05:16.34 | soundsoldier | dendrite: any suggestions on how to trim down the output amount? |
| 05:16.39 | tenzing_ | peter_: thanks |
| 05:17.00 | Heston | nvz, that signal will probably be ignored |
| 05:17.01 | nvz | Heston: its not something that can generally run a pc for any period of time.. especially with a monitor and everything plugged in |
| 05:17.05 | dendrite | Dewi: Perhaps. In that case, I'd probably either do as peterS suggests, e.g., /home/sharedproject, or /var/project... |
| 05:17.41 | dendrite | soundsoldier: you can tell strace to only trap certain syscalls, e.g., -eopen to only look at file handle creation/access. |
| 05:17.43 | Heston | nvz, i can get about 10 minutes or so, and id like to know for sure how long i have |
| 05:17.47 | nvz | laptops are low-power thats why they can run on batteries |
| 05:17.54 | dendrite | soundsoldier: I'd probably start with -eopen. |
| 05:18.00 | Heston | nvz, perhaps i should try a different app |
| 05:18.03 | nvz | your cpu alone uses probably 5 times or more the power of any laptop |
| 05:18.18 | Dewi | dendrite: var has too much in it. I think I'll split between /home and /srv |
| 05:18.34 | Heston | uh, i dont know how you came up with those figures but it's irrelevant anyways |
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| 05:18.51 | nvz | thats not counting drives, ram, fans, external devices, keyboard, mouse, expansion cards |
| 05:18.55 | dendrite | Dewi: Well, it sounds like YOU are NOT living in a PERFECT WORLD!! :-) |
| 05:19.11 | Dewi | dendrite: I tried to VC everything once :) |
| 05:19.14 | nvz | I came up with those figures that an AMD Athlon uses 75w or more and my last laptop was like 20w |
| 05:19.19 | Dewi | dendrite: it ended up being pretty tiresome |
| 05:19.45 | dendrite | Dewi: Well, for shared projects it can be a helpful discipline, but I can imagine how it could be a pain in some cases. |
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| 05:20.11 | Heston | nvz, how many amps can your laptop battery put out and at what voltage? |
| 05:20.30 | dendrite | nvz: Without catching fire, that is... =) |
| 05:20.57 | Dewi | dendrite: apart from VC not handling big constantly-changing binary things very well, there is a question of "correctness"... I don't endorse checking things into VC (at least not on a trunk) until certain minimal quality criteria have been met |
| 05:21.40 | Dewi | dendrite: and my local copies of various documentation would just be taking up space in VB |
| 05:21.44 | Dewi | er VC |
| 05:22.02 | dendrite | Dewi: Yes, I agree, you need to have standards for what quality gets committed. And I also avoid putting anything into VC that is an object file, i.e., anything that can be built from what *is* in VC. |
| 05:22.15 | simonrvn | @kill VB |
| 05:22.45 | Dewi | simonrvn: relax |
| 05:22.57 | Dewi | simonrvn: just take a deep breath |
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| 05:23.27 | dendrite | Dewi: If you want people in #debian to relax, consider NOT mentioning things like "VB." =) |
| 05:23.47 | Dewi | I could have been talking about beer |
| 05:23.55 | Dewi | but it would be a terrible beer of evil |
| 05:24.05 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 05:24.06 | dendrite | Dewi: A beer that causes bloat... |
| 05:27.05 | nvz | wtf does gmail have to open a fucking pop-up on everything. I am starting to hate gmail |
| 05:27.18 | nvz | I cant even get back to google.com unless it does it in a pop-up |
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| 05:43.08 | yesyesyo | moin |
| 05:43.42 | yesyesyo | is the official channel now on oftc? |
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| 05:44.07 | yesyesyo | I noticed a split in userbase, but can't really ascertain which channel is more active |
| 05:46.14 | nvz | damn my bug report started a flame war I hope the email I sent out and re-filing as a wishlist bug will end that non-sense :P |
| 05:47.58 | nvz | I think its obsurd that samba.org and debian circulate false documentation about the logging facilities and I see no reason why they shouldnt work as described by Oreilly |
| 05:48.42 | nvz | seems like it would be really useful |
| 05:49.28 | yesyesyo | what'd they make up? |
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| 05:49.45 | yesyesyo | also, you can't really find them at fault, as they raise the bar in terms of documentation |
| 05:50.00 | yesyesyo | if they suck, better documention is published |
| 05:50.34 | Capso | We can all do that. |
| 05:50.43 | Capso | Just keep making shit up. |
| 05:50.55 | Capso | But I guess what you're applauding them for is the time they spend in doing that. |
| 05:51.23 | Dewi | I reckon I can make up crazier bullshit for a cheaper price than they can |
| 05:51.26 | nvz | yesyesyo: a user in here earlier wanted to know how to make samba log for each service instead of for each client.. and I looked it up and suggested /var/log/samba/%S.log and it interprets it literally instead of as a samba variable. The Using Samba guide says that the log file line in the config "accepts all samba variables" and in another suggestion it even shows using %S.log as an example for logging this way |
| 05:51.45 | yesyesyo | ah, yeah, that's pretty silly |
| 05:52.20 | nvz | I think logging should work the way oreilly described |
| 05:52.52 | Dewi | nvz: that's probably a wishlist |
| 05:52.54 | nvz | but it doesnt. so I figure there needs to be a bug filed on samba-doc and a wishlist bug on samba |
| 05:53.02 | Dewi | nvz: yeah |
| 05:53.24 | Heston | does anyone know of a ups monitoring app with some sort of gui? all i can find is console based apps. |
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| 05:53.47 | Dewi | Heston: UPSes don't do anything very interesting |
| 05:53.59 | nvz | Heston: you can make a decent cli into a gui if it provides the right info |
| 05:53.59 | NetEcho | they just serve a useful purpose |
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| 05:54.28 | nvz | Heston: there are things like zenity and such that can take info and display it graphically |
| 05:54.38 | Dewi | Heston: knutclient |
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| 05:55.49 | Heston | hmm, i wonder how many kde libraries ill need for knutclient |
| 05:55.59 | yesyesyo | there's also a utility that creates an ncurses interface for all things stdout |
| 05:56.05 | yesyesyo | the name escapes me |
| 05:56.24 | tido | does debian run dash by default? |
| 05:57.17 | Heston | Dewi, thanks that looks like the best one so far |
| 05:57.40 | nvz | Tiod: no it uses bash, but dash is available |
| 05:57.52 | Tido | ok thanks nvz |
| 06:00.10 | Dewi | Heston: np |
| 06:00.39 | Dewi | nvz: smell the beaurocracy! |
| 06:00.55 | Dewi | nvz: now you know why debian is 18 months between releases :) |
| 06:01.05 | nvz | heh |
| 06:01.15 | Loto_ | anyone ever had grub give a 'hard disk error' only when usb mass storage hdd is attached? |
| 06:01.16 | yesyesyo | Tido: you can replace sh with dash |
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| 06:01.30 | Tido | yeah I'm googling for a guide to do that |
| 06:01.41 | nvz | Dewi: I dont mind the release schedule.. I am glad they got their priorities straight which is making sure things are working before worrying about time-release |
| 06:02.01 | yesyesyo | Tido: installation of dash (usually) asks you if you'd like to replace it |
| 06:02.07 | yesyesyo | Tido: no need for online guides :) |
| 06:02.13 | Tido | oh :p |
| 06:02.16 | Tido | thanks yesyesyo! |
| 06:02.21 | nvz | Dewi: we just need more people testing, reporting, and squishing... I need to upgrade to testing right now and quit being a hypocrite :P |
| 06:02.29 | Dewi | nvz: hehe |
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| 06:02.45 | yesyesyo | still rocking on stable? |
| 06:03.01 | Dewi | nvz: I don't have any really good suggestions to improve things |
| 06:03.07 | nvz | yeah I just got internet a few days ago is why I been on stable because I was offline and couldnt update reguarly |
| 06:03.10 | yesyesyo | i went from sid to testing back down to stable. <- for ddesktop |
| 06:03.28 | yesyesyo | i found out i didn't really need etch at all :) |
| 06:03.33 | Dewi | nvz: although it would be great if testing security fixed could happen without feature updates coming through |
| 06:03.37 | yesyesyo | and rtorrent was in backports |
| 06:04.06 | nvz | Dewi: yeah my first couple years I couldnt come up with anything concrete either. most bugs I found were already fixed. I would think I found one and get all excited.. run to the bts, and its tagged fixed already and I'd be like DAMN! |
| 06:04.24 | Dewi | nvz: I have a theory that testing will break a lot more often if I start upgrading more than fortnightly |
| 06:04.32 | Dewi | nvz: but for security I should really update *more* often |
| 06:05.03 | Dewi | and to be honest, it's such a pain I probably only get around to it every couple of months |
| 06:05.12 | nvz | Dewi: like the case today.. you will find that most of these things come from colliding with other users.. I was just sitting around doing nothing not even thinking about my samba server today when that user asked about logging for each service instead of each client |
| 06:06.10 | nvz | Dewi: I jumped on the issue that I knew nothing about because I am a samba user and the idea of logging that way made me curious as to why anyone would want to.. and how you would do it if you did |
| 06:06.45 | nvz | so I am learning something and hopefully directing attention to improving the logging facilities in samba |
| 06:06.46 | zebalin4 | Anyone know why scanner (part of new HP all-in-one printer) is not seen by kooka or xsane? |
| 06:07.19 | nvz | zebalin4: its not supported by sane? |
| 06:07.57 | nvz | zebalin4: check the sane website.. I've used many of those all-in-wonder devices and havent found one yet that is supported well by sane |
| 06:07.57 | zebalin4 | nvz: I thought all new hp printers were supported in Linux. It runs with Mac so they say. |
| 06:08.12 | nvz | zebalin4: most of the printers arent even supported.. but you can usually use a different driver as they are generally just some earlier model with a bunch of other stuff attached |
| 06:08.28 | zebalin4 | nvz: sane site seems to indicate that Photosmart printer-scanners work. |
| 06:08.52 | nvz | zebalin4: no thats not true.. and its not a printer you are talking about its a scanner. and the deal with scanners is more than being supported there has to be a sane-backend written for it. |
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| 06:09.24 | nvz | its one thing to be able to access the scanner with the linux kernel, its another thing to be able to do anything useful with it |
| 06:10.19 | zebalin4 | nvz: looks like I wasted the money. I can take it back. I must have a scanner so that I can fax hard copy (fax machine died.) |
| 06:10.29 | nvz | I was told by a german sane developer that he added my scanners info to the sane database, but if I wanted functionality anytime soon I had better get started on writing a backend |
| 06:11.07 | zebalin4 | nvz: now I know why so many people like the Mac when it comes to new hardware. |
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| 06:11.13 | nvz | zebalin4: though in your case that scanner is more common than the one I was reporting.. so there is a better chance someone else who knows how will write a backend.. the one I had was rare trash and nobody had one to write a backend |
| 06:11.51 | nvz | zebalin4: the course of action is to check the sane website for a backend for that specific model, and if one doesnt exist I would suggest contacting the sane mailing list |
| 06:11.51 | zebalin4 | Its an HP Photosmart C3180 print/copy/scan |
| 06:12.37 | zebalin4 | the sane website seems to concentrate on stand-alone scanners, not the all in one devices. |
| 06:14.07 | nvz | I dont want to file this bug against stable because its pointless.. I should probably check samba-doc on testing before filing a bug against it.. but I dont think its really nessicary as the it seems the latest version of Using Samba contains these errors as does the one in stable.. so I figure its the same in testing :P |
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| 06:14.47 | e-type | morning all |
| 06:14.55 | nvz | g'morning |
| 06:16.03 | nvz | I think the fact that the document contains information that is just downright false would make it a severe bug effecting usability of the document right? |
| 06:16.50 | nvz | I am not trying to start another flame war over the damn severity of my bug :P |
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| 06:19.20 | Guerin | if I have an ide hard disk which was burnt up during a power surge, could/would it damage another drive on the same ide channel? |
| 06:19.38 | nvz | eek! |
| 06:19.55 | e-type | Guerin: prolly, if one of them had too many volts, they all had it ;) |
| 06:20.08 | e-type | Guerin: they're not powered in series ;) |
| 06:20.14 | Guerin | when it was burnt up, it wasn't on the same channel, but I needed to test it to identify whether the drive or the I card was at fault |
| 06:20.18 | e-type | Guerin: but better check |
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| 06:20.22 | nvz | Guerin: yeah those are my thoughts too.. if the power supply surged it could have damaged any component in the system |
| 06:20.32 | Guerin | ok, i need to clarify |
| 06:20.41 | Guerin | the drives which died were on a pci ide card |
| 06:20.56 | Guerin | the card is still fine, and the drives on the onboard ide are still fine too |
| 06:21.21 | e-type | Guerin: you'll have to check, you may be one lucky bastard |
| 06:21.30 | Guerin | however, the dvd drive which was on ide1 died AFTER i tested the broken hdd on ide1 with it |
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| 06:21.52 | Guerin | i'm asking because the dvd drive appears to be dead, or at least partly so |
| 06:22.54 | nvz | yeah anything in that sytem could have been damaged if you had a surge.. and damage comes in degrees many of which are unnoticable if things are still functional |
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| 06:23.26 | Guerin | also, about the surge - |
| 06:23.34 | Guerin | the box powered on without me telling it to |
| 06:23.44 | Guerin | i'm presuming a surge caused it |
| 06:24.04 | Guerin | there isn't anything else which could have? |
| 06:24.13 | nvz | Guerin: WOL? BIOS? |
| 06:24.28 | Guerin | no WOL |
| 06:24.40 | e-type | Guerin: maybe you have the power up after power cut feature on? |
| 06:24.53 | nvz | Guerin: many bios have a feature of how to resume if there is a power failure.. like if I pulled the coord on this box I can have it set to stay off, or to power on when it regains power |
| 06:24.55 | Guerin | e-type: no such feature in bios |
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| 06:25.06 | e-type | Guerin: my box turns on when I switch on my desk light ;-) |
| 06:25.06 | Guerin | and the power didn't actually blink out |
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| 06:25.18 | Guerin | e-type: heh, ok, so it can just happen randomly |
| 06:25.34 | nvz | e-type: that doesnt sound good :P |
| 06:25.35 | e-type | Guerin: nope, it causes a small drop in the voltage |
| 06:25.43 | e-type | Guerin: so it thinks it's got a power cut :) |
| 06:26.12 | Guerin | man, that's stupid |
| 06:26.16 | Loto_ | dont let the magic smoke out |
| 06:26.16 | Guerin | damnit |
| 06:26.18 | nvz | Guerin: your bios may just be programmed to power on after a voltage drop with no setting in the setup |
| 06:26.21 | e-type | it's a TL light, not sure if this is the right term |
| 06:26.46 | e-type | don't think it would happen with a regular bulb |
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| 06:27.21 | Guerin | so it looks like I'm out a dvd burner, a 160G drive, 1n 80G drive full of irreplaceable data, and i need to test ide1 to see if it still works properly. |
| 06:27.25 | nvz | I think thats why they are now programmed with the option as there was for a long time conflicting opinions on what behavior they should have and many of them were hard-programmed to do one or the other |
| 06:27.25 | Guerin | hurrah for me |
| 06:27.49 | Loto_ | just from a new user perspective installing etch. the xserver packages are very unfriendly |
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| 06:27.59 | Loto_ | many important packages are not installed with the installer |
| 06:28.10 | Loto_ | or even with xserver-xorg |
| 06:28.14 | Guerin | Loto_: did you choose desktop? |
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| 06:28.16 | nvz | Loto_: did you choose the desktop? |
| 06:28.17 | Loto_ | yes |
| 06:28.25 | Loto_ | used beta3 installer |
| 06:28.28 | nvz | Loto_: what sorts of packages are you talking about? |
| 06:28.33 | Guerin | Loto_: what wwasn't installed? |
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| 06:29.14 | Loto_ | xserver-xorg-video-nv vesa vga |
| 06:29.41 | Guerin | Loto_: what did it use as a driuver? |
| 06:29.50 | nvz | Loto_: keep in mind the desktop system is designed to be a general package deal providing minimal setup for average user. you are allowed to choose manual selection afterwards |
| 06:29.51 | Guerin | Loto_: did X work automatically? |
| 06:29.52 | Loto_ | i had to go and install them manually |
| 06:30.19 | Loto_ | it included the voodoo driver, s3virge i think and 1 other obscure driver |
| 06:30.29 | Loto_ | also didnt install the mouse module |
| 06:30.38 | Loto_ | no Guerin |
| 06:30.43 | nvz | Loto_: if it didnt work at all for you out of the box its probably a reasonable concern worth reporting |
| 06:30.47 | Guerin | Loto_: file an installation report, this is what betas are for. |
| 06:30.57 | Loto_ | indeed, thats why i mention it |
| 06:31.03 | Loto_ | just trying to do my part :) |
| 06:31.10 | Guerin | nice |
| 06:31.44 | Guerin | well, i'm going to complain about the lack of simple stuff like screen and irssi and *box on CD1 |
| 06:31.44 | nvz | Loto_: well your part is to file a report not to mention it here.. we are here to help get it working and to advise you on course of action :P |
| 06:31.46 | Loto_ | abrotman saved me earlier |
| 06:31.52 | Loto_ | he rocks :) |
| 06:31.59 | nvz | heh. |
| 06:32.16 | nvz | he's gone to bed now. he's not a night-owl like me |
| 06:32.19 | Guerin | ok, time to go and burn some more shit |
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| 06:32.29 | dimbit | that won't smell very nice |
| 06:32.31 | Loto_ | where should i report to nvz |
| 06:32.34 | Loto_ | oh |
| 06:32.43 | Loto_ | also a major issue i found as well |
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| 06:33.22 | Loto_ | after dpkg-reconfigure im gettign the error "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
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| 06:33.41 | Loto_ | (8:01p) (Loto_) quick google search revealed "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " as a working command to fix it |
| 06:33.54 | nvz | I guess the bug of false documentation falls more under important |
| 06:34.07 | Loto_ | no its not false documentation.. thats the actual error |
| 06:34.19 | nvz | I am talking about the bug I am writing on samba-doc |
| 06:34.30 | nvz | I started a flame war with my bug on samba earlier |
| 06:34.31 | Loto_ | ah sry |
| 06:35.09 | nvz | trying to clear it up and file new bugs on samba and samba-doc |
| 06:35.11 | dimbit | Loto, are you sure it hasn't been customized? |
| 06:35.47 | Loto_ | i uninstalled the package and reinstalled it. apt-get gives that error during installation of xserver-xorg |
| 06:36.01 | Loto_ | and during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:36.13 | nvz | Loto_: you would goto bugs.debian.org for info on how to file bugs and file one against debian-installer would be my guess |
| 06:36.20 | Loto_ | k thanks |
| 06:37.10 | dimbit | can you not just do md5 xorg.conf > /var/wherever/the/md5/sum/is/held ? |
| 06:37.17 | nvz | Loto_: see the way my bug report panned out today and you will see how even the slightest ignorance in how you file can get you flamed :P |
| 06:38.32 | dimbit | md5 xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 06:39.04 | nvz | thought its a learning process for everyone involved using and developing and open system |
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| 06:41.11 | Loto_ | dimbit : did that |
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| 06:41.13 | Loto_ | also tried |
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| 06:41.39 | Loto_ | md5 X > /var/lib/x11/X.md5sum |
| 06:41.50 | Loto_ | but it still complained that X was customized |
| 06:43.10 | simonrvn | md5sum |
| 06:43.24 | Loto_ | rsorry, just coping his line :) |
| 06:43.42 | Loto_ | anyways yeah ill do some bug reports |
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| 06:57.23 | wlwireless | know of any reliable, high speed, open or public server? |
| 06:57.40 | ApEtc | for? |
| 06:57.50 | wlwireless | for web surfing |
| 06:57.59 | ApEtc | like a bandwidth test? |
| 06:58.04 | wlwireless | sort of |
| 06:58.38 | e-type | wlwireless: try any of your isp's user spaces? |
| 06:58.57 | e-type | wlwireless: but even that won't be very reliable |
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| 06:59.30 | wlwireless | i want something located faraway. it is a test, remember. |
| 06:59.50 | brownie17 | does anyone know how i can set the time into the video to longer for the totem thumbnailer? |
| 07:00.25 | e-type | wlwireless: use any site, you can't use that for bandwith benchmarking |
| 07:00.31 | wlwireless | ApEtc: you have info to offer? |
| 07:00.47 | ApEtc | wlwireless: Nothing reliable comes to mind. |
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| 07:01.12 | brownie17 | anyone? |
| 07:01.15 | wlwireless | e-type: it has to be a proxy server. i am testing http filtering. |
| 07:01.50 | nvz | wlwireless: google it.. there are tons of open proxy servers. Planet-Lab for instance |
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| 07:02.34 | e-type | wlwireless: again, don't think you'll get a reliable benchmark test out of that, merely a "remote idea" of how fast it works right then and right there ;) |
| 07:03.01 | wlwireless | nvz: i know that. most are not reliable, up and down frequently, and qutie slow., 1 oe 2 kbs |
| 07:03.27 | nvz | wlwireless: this is how the internet works. you cant expect to find a reliable route across the globe |
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| 07:03.49 | nvz | wlwireless: your idea of benchmarking cross-country traffic sounds laughable at best |
| 07:04.04 | wlwireless | nvz: you don't know what you are talking about. |
| 07:04.43 | nvz | regaurdless its not on topic here |
| 07:04.43 | Guerin | well well |
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| 07:04.58 | Guerin | the two drives appear to still be functional, but the filesystems are toast |
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| 07:05.02 | wlwireless | oh, i caught the interest of Mr. Profanity. |
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| 07:05.17 | nvz | Guerin: thats better news anyhow |
| 07:05.22 | Guerin | the partition tables are fine, though, so I can use data recovery stuff to fix them |
| 07:05.48 | Guerin | also, ide1 appears to be functional, which leave the only casualty as the brand-new HP dvd burner which I haven't even used yet |
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| 07:21.08 | dcstimm_ | do alot of people use debian for the desktop still since ubuntu is out? |
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| 07:21.25 | Blackhold | hello, someone has installed any time openbravo? |
| 07:21.45 | e-type | dcstimm_: sure, a lot of people know that ubuntu limits their freedom of choice |
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| 07:23.00 | ftatr2006 | hello all of you |
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| 07:23.36 | ftatr2006 | im trying to intall a program but i dont knwo how can soeme one help me? |
| 07:23.49 | M4DM4X | hi all |
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| 07:24.13 | epsilon | !install |
| 07:24.13 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 07:25.28 | epsilon | what's bot commamd for packageinstall again... nm, ftatr2006: use apt-get install <package> |
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| 07:27.59 | M4DM4X | in my server i put (with base-config) grafical interface (kde, gnome...) but now when i init my server i have "gnome desktop manager" / i want to know if it's possible to run the server "normaly" (like before in text mode bash) and when i want i run the graphical interfaces with a command line ? |
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| 07:28.27 | M4DM4X | and how i could do this |
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| 07:28.52 | Blackhold | uh... I'd closed that :/ |
| 07:29.07 | Blackhold | someone knows something about ant and java? |
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| 07:29.15 | Kvant | M4DM4X, do: apt-get remove gdm |
| 07:29.47 | ftatr2006 | what if its an RPM file?? |
| 07:29.48 | Blackhold | I'm installing openbravo and finds me with that problem and I cannot continue :_ -> http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3889279 |
| 07:29.56 | ftatr2006 | can i still use it? |
| 07:30.17 | M4DM4X | Kvant: yes but if i do that after how i can run my graphical interface ? |
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| 07:30.34 | Kvant | M4DM4X, with the startx command |
| 07:30.41 | Blackhold | ftatr2006: you could use alien -d to convert the rpm to a .deb file :) |
| 07:30.45 | M4DM4X | i do only startx ? |
| 07:30.59 | M4DM4X | Blackhold : i know java... |
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| 07:31.18 | cydork | ftatr2006: beaware alien packages can break :) |
| 07:31.39 | Blackhold | M4DM4X: please, enter the link I'd pasted if you know what happens |
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| 07:32.03 | Blackhold | I've not a very high linux level and somethings I cannot understand :( |
| 07:32.13 | Blackhold | maybe is a stupid problem |
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| 07:32.40 | ftatr2006 | how can i install flash player ??? |
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| 07:33.56 | n3uro | hi guys..I am setting up an snmp trap reciever and it uses the /etc/default/snmpd file to read in environment variables such as MIBDIRS...however this environment variable is only exported inside the shell that is spawned when the init script runs. What is the normal process for exporting env variables when a process starts? |
| 07:34.28 | Blackhold | ftatr2006: go to the macromedia's site and download the source |
| 07:34.35 | Blackhold | then compile and install it |
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| 07:35.25 | ftatr2006 | i dont knwo how to do that that is why im here |
| 07:35.57 | Blackhold | ok |
| 07:36.00 | Blackhold | wait |
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| 07:36.22 | yum99 | Hi all, I need help with lopenldap. in our school the server uses ldap. the clients can't use sound and usb stick because the users aren't in the group audio / plugdey. is it possible to tell the server to put the users in those groups? |
| 07:36.35 | insmod | just grab the .bin and run it |
| 07:36.36 | n3uro | ftatr2006: whats wrong with "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 07:36.57 | Blackhold | ftatr2006: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&promoid=BIOW |
| 07:36.59 | insmod | ftatr2006: just grab the .bin and run it |
| 07:37.01 | Blackhold | uncompress that |
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| 07:37.15 | Blackhold | then type ./configure, then make, and finally make install |
| 07:39.43 | ftatr2006 | install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz |
| 07:39.50 | Blackhold | that |
| 07:39.53 | Blackhold | uncompress that |
| 07:40.02 | Blackhold | and then look for a configure file |
| 07:40.06 | ftatr2006 | where >> |
| 07:40.15 | Blackhold | in desktop for example |
| 07:40.20 | n3uro | alternatively, does the snmptrapd server require the MIBS and MIBDIRS exports to be set to recieve traps?? I am doing my testing using snmptranslate on the command line of the same server which might be throwing out the testing |
| 07:40.23 | insmod | ftatr2006: nonono ./flashplayer-installer |
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| 07:41.31 | insmod | Blackhold: ./flashplayer-installer |
| 07:41.44 | Blackhold | then that |
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| 07:42.18 | Blackhold | please, could some one give me some help with that? -> http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3889279 |
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| 07:43.33 | anAngel | hi Anybody to know how can i build a kernel 2.6 without /dev support in it? I need to be configured to not automatically mount /dev (devfs) by default |
| 07:43.51 | ftatr2006 | WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. |
| 07:43.52 | ftatr2006 | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, |
| 07:43.52 | ftatr2006 | or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): |
| 07:44.55 | insmod | /usr/lib/mozilla is default |
| 07:44.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:44.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:45.55 | kreg_work | anyone ever use the promise_sata module durring install? apparently it can't undertand my raid 1. it sees two dirves, not one block |
| 07:46.21 | kreg_work | it should only see 1 block device. not 2 |
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| 07:49.46 | enouf | anAngel: can't you just give /dev it's own partition and setup /etc/fstab to not mount auto (use mount's 'noauto' option) perhaps |
| 07:50.25 | enouf | Blackhold: I looked but no idea - apologies |
| 07:51.29 | enouf | kreg_work: have you looked over this doc : http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
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| 07:54.59 | knowall | want to set-up a vpn with openssh. can anyone recommend a good reference? |
| 07:55.13 | ftatr2006 | how can i check wat version of java i have?? |
| 07:55.21 | kreg_work | enouf, interesting |
| 07:55.50 | enouf | kreg_work: yes indeed |
| 07:55.50 | ph00 | java --version? |
| 07:56.02 | Kvant | ftatr2006, do: java -version |
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| 07:58.32 | knowall | no one knowa about any good reference for setting up vpn with openssh? |
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| 08:00.22 | SlayerXP | knowall: you can't set up a VPN with ssh. you can set up a tunnel. |
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| 08:01.15 | knowall | SlayerXP: i know, that is part of the whole thing. |
| 08:01.40 | SlayerXP | knowall: google and the ssh docs will give you everything you need to know. |
| 08:02.08 | Blackhold | enouf: ok |
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| 08:02.49 | enouf | Blackhold: look into pther channels #java #apache #postgresql etc ?? |
| 08:02.53 | enouf | other* |
| 08:03.19 | Blackhold | I'm there and asked there but no one answered :_ |
| 08:03.19 | knowall | SlayerXP: been there and done that. as usual, there are too many info to make me confused. i want a good ref, one which many others had used. |
| 08:04.04 | SlayerXP | knowall: when I forget how to make a tunnel, I refer to the man page. works for me. |
| 08:04.43 | knowall | SlayerXP: had u set-up a vpn just by reading the man of ssh> |
| 08:05.11 | SlayerXP | knowall: as I said, you _can't_ set up a VPN with ssh |
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| 08:05.27 | SlayerXP | knowall: tunnels, yes, VPNs, no. |
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| 08:06.44 | knowall | SlayerXP: ssh tunneling is a part of vpn. i want ref on the whole process of setting up the vpn. |
| 08:07.01 | SlayerXP | knowall: no, it isn't. |
| 08:07.12 | SlayerXP | knowall: http://www.openvpn.net/ |
| 08:07.31 | knowall | SlayerXP: that's better, thks. |
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| 08:10.10 | n3uro | how do you force variable expansion inside a shell script? |
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| 08:11.57 | nvz | n3uro: eh? |
| 08:11.58 | tarzeau | someone got an ia64/amd64 with debian sid and can test several things for me please? |
| 08:12.14 | fireba11 | tarzeau: only got amd64 with etch ... |
| 08:12.26 | tarzeau | fireba11: that should be fine, with debuild and sound card? |
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| 08:13.10 | fireba11 | tarzeau: how can i find out about debuild ? |
| 08:13.27 | tarzeau | fireba11: get these files: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocp/ocp_0.1.10rc6-2.dsc http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocp/ocp_0.1.10rc6.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocp/ocp_0.1.10rc6-2.diff.gz |
| 08:13.51 | tarzeau | fireba11: apt-get install devscripts |
| 08:14.07 | tarzeau | fireba11: then dpkg-source -x ocp*.gz |
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| 08:14.32 | tarzeau | fireba11: cd into the created directory and run debuild, put the ../*build* file online accesible by http |
| 08:14.32 | n3uro | nvz: nevermind...I realised I was being an idiot |
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| 08:16.09 | fireba11 | tarzeau: the dpkg line doesn't work |
| 08:16.19 | tarzeau | fireba11: dpkg-source -x ? |
| 08:16.27 | tarzeau | fireba11: well is the command not there or what does it say? |
| 08:16.32 | fireba11 | dpkg-source: error: unpack target exists: ocp_0.1.10rc6.orig.tar.gz |
| 08:16.44 | tarzeau | fireba11: dpkg-source -x ocp*.dsc |
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| 08:17.41 | fireba11 | tarzeau: okay ... what of the results do you need? |
| 08:18.06 | tarzeau | fireba11: can you put all files online? |
| 08:18.14 | tarzeau | fireba11: with a browsable directory? |
| 08:18.17 | fireba11 | tarzeau sure |
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| 08:18.27 | fireba11 | hm .. the later i'm not sure .. *checking* |
| 08:18.31 | tarzeau | fireba11: did you install needed build deps? |
| 08:19.06 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i put int the lines you gave ... nothing more :-) |
| 08:19.18 | tarzeau | fireba11: that's fine, show me the buildlog and we go further |
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| 08:19.40 | lontra | tarzeau: do you maintain popcon? |
| 08:20.01 | tarzeau | lontra: no, why? |
| 08:20.09 | tarzeau | lontra: i used to do some backports |
| 08:20.13 | fireba11 | tarzeau: where the hell is the buildlog ? |
| 08:20.17 | tarzeau | fireba11: ../ |
| 08:20.21 | tarzeau | fireba11: something with *build* |
| 08:20.26 | lontra | just curious...i think i see you use that factoid often :) |
| 08:20.39 | lontra | do you still play bub n bros? |
| 08:20.48 | tarzeau | lontra: yes to let people know and have it installed, got it installed yet? |
| 08:20.53 | lontra | yup :) |
| 08:21.04 | tarzeau | lontra: sure, want to bubble me ? #bub-n-bros but i'm at work now, 8 hours later |
| 08:21.14 | tarzeau | lontra: got also sysutils/bsdstats installed? |
| 08:21.22 | tarzeau | !bsdstats |
| 08:21.31 | lontra | i don't know about those |
| 08:21.41 | tarzeau | dpkg bsdstats is http://www.bsdstats.org or cd /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats && make install clean |
| 08:21.41 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 08:21.46 | ftatr2006 | how can i intall an rpm file??? |
| 08:21.50 | lontra | i'll play bub-n-bros later |
| 08:21.55 | lontra | ftatr2006: with alien |
| 08:21.57 | tarzeau | ftatr2006: rpm -i the.rpm but you really DO NOT WANT to |
| 08:22.10 | fireba11 | tarzeau: config.log maybe ? |
| 08:22.12 | lontra | ftatr2006: install alien and covert it to a .deb then use dpkgk to install it |
| 08:22.16 | lontra | that's what i'd recommend |
| 08:22.20 | ftatr2006 | why dont i whna to? |
| 08:22.30 | lontra | ftatr2006: cause debian is .deb based |
| 08:22.31 | tarzeau | fireba11: no, did you cd ocp* or opencubicplayer and then run debuild ? |
| 08:22.37 | tarzeau | ftatr2006: which software? |
| 08:22.44 | ftatr2006 | limewire |
| 08:22.51 | tarzeau | ftatr2006: you could have file conflicts, miss security updates etc |
| 08:22.55 | tarzeau | ftatr2006: install it yourself, without rpm |
| 08:23.00 | lontra | is limewire in debian unofficial? |
| 08:23.03 | tarzeau | use gnu stow, make your own debian package |
| 08:23.16 | tarzeau | lontra: no it can not run without non-free software |
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| 08:23.40 | fireba11 | tarzeau: ah ... am missing quite a few dependencies :-) |
| 08:24.05 | tarzeau | fireba11: can you install them? :) |
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| 08:24.12 | lontra | ok i thought that panthera might have packaged it |
| 08:24.21 | lontra | i need to go to bed...good night all |
| 08:24.23 | tarzeau | lontra: i wish someone packaged bubnbros |
| 08:24.30 | phorce1 | if I have a .deb that someone built for -1386 and the tarball source of the software is there some easy way to recreate a -amd64 .deb or should I just compile the source and install it in /usr/local? |
| 08:24.31 | lontra | i thought panthera was going to? |
| 08:24.40 | tarzeau | lontra: yes he wanted, last year, but he never did |
| 08:24.45 | lontra | :/ |
| 08:24.52 | tarzeau | lontra: i hope someone else does. it's python |
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| 08:25.11 | lontra | it's a fun game |
| 08:25.18 | Zapelius | I read some time ago about a tool that helped upgrading and managing packages from different Debian releases (multiple apt -sources). Now when I need it, I can't remember nor find it. Anyone? |
| 08:25.19 | phorce1 | this is not an apt-get-able package |
| 08:25.37 | lontra | Zapelius: you mean like a mixed system? |
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| 08:25.41 | tarzeau | Zapelius: i wouldn't recommend multiple sources |
| 08:25.42 | lontra | !mixed system |
| 08:25.42 | dpkg | from memory, mixed system is Read section 3.8 "How to keep a mixed system" of the APT HOWTO at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html (better yet, read the whole thing! :) |
| 08:25.47 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 08:25.47 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 08:25.58 | lontra | he he |
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| 08:26.02 | fireba11 | tarzeau: hum ... that server will be in productive use soon so i don't want to install a lot of stuff if i can help it ;-) |
| 08:26.20 | tarzeau | fireba11: don't worry you can remove them all later, your machine won't crash |
| 08:26.31 | tarzeau | fireba11: it's just files put with debian |
| 08:26.33 | tarzeau | dpkg i mean |
| 08:26.41 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 08:27.06 | wdamn | Hi, how do I save the setting with alsamixer? - every time I reboot it gets the default values... |
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| 08:27.41 | tarzeau | wdamn: see /etc/alsa/ ? |
| 08:27.57 | Zapelius | I know.. I have always had some packages from unstable (using testing). I have always managed to get the system run again (installed 6 years ago) |
| 08:29.02 | wdamn | tarzeau: mmm, I dont see any .conf file |
| 08:29.04 | Zapelius | But now there are >1200 packages upgraded (999 wen't OK with upgrade), dist-upgrade nees some work again, and it's kind of hard to do it manually :P |
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| 08:30.01 | tarzeau | wdamn: i don't know then, not even /etc/default(s) ? |
| 08:30.12 | RichiH | i have an usb stick that pretends to be a cdrom drive.. |
| 08:30.19 | RichiH | suggestions for writing on it? |
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| 08:34.23 | Zapelius | ah, apt-show-versions was the thing I was looking for. Thanks for the good reading :) |
| 08:34.41 | vik | I assume it isn't legal to assign the same IP to two different NICs in the one computer? |
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| 08:36.20 | fireba11 | tarzeau: hm .. 48 packages ^^ |
| 08:37.11 | tarzeau | fireba11: so? |
| 08:37.23 | tarzeau | fireba11: it's ok, i'll someday find a 64bit intel machine |
| 08:37.32 | fireba11 | tarzeau: will take a bit .. |
| 08:37.32 | tarzeau | fireba11: so long, i can not fix the bug |
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| 08:40.35 | HNT | Hello everybody, when i connect as root i always get this message : shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: "Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type" > no file or folder of this kind |
| 08:40.35 | HNT | What may i do ? |
| 08:41.02 | tarzeau | HNT: check your login scripts of root? |
| 08:41.12 | fireba11 | tarzeau hm .. configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 08:41.52 | tarzeau | fireba11: i don't know, i've never seen that |
| 08:42.02 | tarzeau | fireba11: which version of cpp do you have? |
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| 08:42.37 | Malagmyr | Anyone here who can translate this for me? I got a mail in german from bts for some reason... "Dies ist eine Empfangsbestätigung für eine Nachricht, die Sie an sven@beatboxscene.de gesendet haben." "Hinweis: Diese Empfangsbestätigung sagt nur aus, dass die Nachricht am Computer des Empfängers angezeigt wurde. Es gibt keine Garantie, dass der Empfänger die Nachrichteninhalte gelesen oder verstanden hat." |
| 08:43.30 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i just installed current gcc and it came with cpp-4.1_4.1.1-11_amd64.deb and cpp_4%3a4.1.1-5_amd64.deb |
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| 08:43.44 | ofer0 | Malagmyr, it says: "Stop spamming sven@beatboxscene.de, or you will die" |
| 08:43.57 | incorrect | has anyone got linux working with SAS drives? |
| 08:44.05 | tarzeau | fireba11: but is it the default? cpp --version ? |
| 08:44.12 | petemc | incorrect: yes |
| 08:44.24 | incorrect | petemc: what hardware can i ask? |
| 08:44.28 | petemc | dell |
| 08:44.28 | fireba11 | tarzeau cpp (GCC) 4.1.2 20060814 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-11) |
| 08:44.33 | incorrect | peter 2950 ? |
| 08:44.38 | petemc | 1950 |
| 08:44.38 | fireba11 | Malagmyr: recipient confirmation |
| 08:44.41 | tarzeau | fireba11: ok i don't know then |
| 08:44.44 | Malagmyr | ofer0: as if I ever sent a mail there. if you're not going to be serious, please don't help. |
| 08:44.58 | incorrect | petemc: thanks! i won't worry anymore ;) |
| 08:45.05 | ofer0 | Malagmyr, take it easy, I was just kidding |
| 08:45.11 | petemc | incorrect: its not exactly straight forward, but easily doable |
| 08:46.38 | incorrect | petemc, i normally build my systems using a usb flash boot drive, and debootstrap the system, dropping on a custom kernel with the right drivers, i saw i could get a mptsas ? |
| 08:46.45 | incorrect | anything special i might need? |
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| 08:47.55 | petemc | incorrect: theres an issue building the initrd, it only seems to work with yaird |
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| 08:48.11 | incorrect | petemc, thats really odd |
| 08:48.16 | petemc | yeah |
| 08:48.20 | incorrect | thanks ill remember that |
| 08:50.26 | Eclipser | bluetooth stuff obviously changed somehow lately |
| 08:51.12 | fireba11 | tarzeau: ah well .. oyu need someone else to try then i guess |
| 08:51.16 | Eclipser | I read somewhere of /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/ or something... how does that work? :) - my phone just says "wrong pin"... |
| 08:51.26 | Eclipser | it used to prompt me for a pin on the computer also |
| 08:51.31 | Eclipser | through some gtk app |
| 08:52.39 | Eclipser | not anymore though... |
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| 08:54.44 | tarzeau | fireba11: that's fine |
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| 08:58.07 | vik | can one map two IPs onto the same name in /etc/hosts? |
| 08:58.33 | nvz | heh |
| 08:58.47 | nvz | how the hell would that work |
| 08:59.07 | nvz | ssh host and it connects to two different pcs? |
| 08:59.55 | KermitTheFragger | vik: you can, but its going to give some strange effects |
| 09:00.05 | vlt | Hello. My Debian Sarge router does masquerading for my NAT clients. One of them is an Asterisk server communicating over UDP port 5060 (SIP) with external SIP provider. Every night the router's external IP on ppp0 changes but iptables keeps on sending the NATted UDP packet _from_ the old address. `iptables -F`and reloading the rules doesn't help. The only workaround is to stop asterisk in the NAT client for about 2 minutes. How can I force iptable |
| 09:00.05 | vlt | s to use ppp0's real IP address as sender IP in outgoing packets? |
| 09:00.32 | KermitTheFragger | vik: i think linux will always take the first hosts entry |
| 09:00.52 | vik | KermitTheFragger: any other idea how to map two different IPs to the same name? |
| 09:01.02 | vik | without dns? |
| 09:01.11 | KermitTheFragger | vik: ow, i was going to say round robin dns :) |
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| 09:01.36 | nvz | why the hell would you want two IPs to have the same name |
| 09:01.44 | vik | have computer with ethernet and wifi; sometimes it uses one, sometimes the other |
| 09:01.59 | nvz | vik: so make sure both interfaces get the same ip |
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| 09:02.08 | nvz | dont be silly |
| 09:02.10 | vik | nvz: is that legal? |
| 09:02.24 | Eclipser | pft |
| 09:02.27 | KermitTheFragger | vik: give them different ips and bridge them |
| 09:02.27 | nvz | you are only using one interface at one time right? |
| 09:02.31 | Eclipser | the new bluetooth this just does NOT work |
| 09:02.40 | Eclipser | my phone instantly says "wrong pin" |
| 09:02.46 | vik | nvz: ummm... |
| 09:02.53 | nvz | o.O |
| 09:02.59 | vik | nvz: mostly... |
| 09:03.12 | nvz | what do you mean mostly.. why and how would you use both |
| 09:03.22 | vik | nvz: but this is being done for the sake of laziness, so I might sometimes forgey |
| 09:03.23 | KermitTheFragger | you cant give them the same ip's and use them at the same time, obiviously |
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| 09:03.28 | Octavian | hu |
| 09:03.28 | vik | s/forgey/forget/ |
| 09:03.29 | nvz | I am going with KermitTheFragger bridge them puppies |
| 09:03.47 | nvz | then assign the one ip to the bridge device, problem solved |
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| 09:04.12 | vik | nvz, KermitTheFragger: that sounds complicated. |
| 09:04.42 | vik | and will it wotk with dhcp supplied addresses? |
| 09:04.46 | nvz | vik: not really. trying to get two devices to share a hostname is complicated |
| 09:04.52 | Octavian | where is the deb for version 0.4.9 (stable)? |
| 09:04.58 | KermitTheFragger | vik: it will work with dhcp |
| 09:05.10 | KermitTheFragger | vik: a bridge operates on layer 2 |
| 09:05.14 | nvz | vik: you bridge say eth0 and eth1 and the bridge device will be br0 and then you just dhclient br0 |
| 09:05.25 | vik | nvz: nice |
| 09:05.49 | nvz | so br0 is the device that connects to the network regaurdless of which device you are using physically |
| 09:06.21 | KermitTheFragger | and then you can give br0 the hostname of your pc |
| 09:06.47 | nvz | vik: you dont need a weilder or a rivet gun. |
| 09:06.54 | KermitTheFragger | you'll need the bridge-utils package |
| 09:07.04 | KermitTheFragger | nvz: rofl |
| 09:07.07 | nvz | no steel cables or pileons |
| 09:07.26 | vik | can I use lego? |
| 09:07.38 | KermitTheFragger | vik: only duplo |
| 09:07.57 | ootput | argh, debian-boot moved to oftc? |
| 09:08.06 | vik | KermitTheFragger: damn; gave my duplo away last week |
| 09:08.20 | KermitTheFragger | vik: lol, i know the feeling ;-) |
| 09:08.37 | nvz | vik: if you use legos I dont think dhcp is going to work :P |
| 09:08.59 | saltie | hi I have a small issue that confuses me which is that PS1 seems to be ignored in /etc/profile (all the environment settings are in here) |
| 09:09.17 | Zapelius | I should have know apt-show-versions earlier, that was easy.. |
| 09:09.27 | vik | unless I was to build a mindstorm robot to re-type the network config every time the interface changes |
| 09:10.07 | vik | nvz, KermitTheFragger: thanks |
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| 09:14.50 | nvz | this damn guy who keeps running these infomercials about his tax-sale program is annoying.. talks about tax-sales like they are a little-known phenomenon and he has some secret method.. they list it on like 12 pages in the local paper and all you need is the money to buy one |
| 09:16.30 | nvz | last thing I am gonna do is buy a program from someone who doesnt even realize I dont need his secret database of tax sales they are in the public domain |
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| 09:17.36 | simonrvn | he figures he can shuckster his way to fame and fortune i guess |
| 09:18.12 | nvz | yeah well I can smell a sleaze ball a mile away |
| 09:18.39 | buu | nvz: What the heck is a tax sale? |
| 09:18.42 | nvz | they dont clean their ass you know |
| 09:18.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:19.00 | nvz | buu: when people dont pay taxes the govt sells their property and house for what they owe. |
| 09:19.01 | simonrvn | reminds me of a joke |
| 09:19.06 | buu | Oh, those. |
| 09:19.45 | nvz | I was a sleaze when I was like a teenager.. then I grew up |
| 09:19.58 | nvz | oh and took a bath |
| 09:21.06 | ootput | shuckstering one's way to fame and fortune is terrific.. just terrific |
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| 09:22.16 | nvz | I;d rather be poor, lonely, and hungry than a sleeze ball like that |
| 09:22.42 | nvz | oh wait that about describes my situation |
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| 09:23.07 | ootput | the kilobytes you're downloading could be exchanged for a bowl of soup |
| 09:23.09 | simonrvn | sounds familiar ;) |
| 09:23.17 | ootput | or a spoonful |
| 09:23.21 | nvz | yep |
| 09:23.28 | runixd | hello, where do I get a patch for yukon2 (Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8050 Gigabit) ?? |
| 09:23.40 | runixd | for stable |
| 09:24.40 | vlt | Can anyone recommend an irc channel for iptables related questions (like mine above ;-) ? |
| 09:24.59 | nvz | #iptables would be my guess |
| 09:25.01 | runixd | #uptables ? |
| 09:25.06 | runixd | *ip |
| 09:25.18 | phorce1 | if I have a .deb that someone built for -1386 and the tarball source of the software is there some easy way to recreate a -amd64 .deb or should I just compile the source and install it in /usr/local? |
| 09:25.22 | phorce1 | this is not an apt-get-able package |
| 09:25.35 | ootput | phorce1: not if it's an unknown architecture, no :) |
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| 09:26.19 | gan|y|med | hello |
| 09:27.38 | gan|y|med | can it be that the testing dvd 1 iso image is broken? i downloaded it yesterday, md5 sum was okay, but it cannot download all of the essential packages. same with an image from july 22nd |
| 09:28.07 | phorce1 | ootput: they creted the .deb for -i386. I'm running -amd64. Neither is an "unknown architecture". I was just wondering if there was some way to modify the -i386 .deb and use it, and the tarball + something like dpkg-buildpackage to create a new .deb for my arch. |
| 09:28.25 | nvz | gan|y|med: read that a few hundred times if nessicary to figure out whats wrong with that |
| 09:28.28 | ootput | phorce1: yeah, i was merely highlighting your typo :) |
| 09:28.42 | nvz | gan|y|med: if you cant download the packages maybe its the mirror you are downloading from |
| 09:29.00 | phorce1 | ootput: like using apt-get -b source to force a recompile |
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| 09:29.11 | gan|y|med | why reading a few hundred times? |
| 09:29.16 | nvz | unless you mean it wont extract the base from the media or something |
| 09:29.35 | gan|y|med | the official cdimage.debian.org server |
| 09:29.35 | phorce1 | ootput: Oh -- you've never heard of the new 1386 supercomputer? ;-) |
| 09:29.46 | nvz | heh |
| 09:29.50 | gan|y|med | yes, that's what i meant |
| 09:30.16 | nvz | gan|y|med: have you tried getting more info.. usually debian installer runs logs on the other consoles |
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| 09:30.23 | gan|y|med | the image seems broken, i cannot install. latest possible install is from a dvd image from january. july and august don't work |
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| 09:31.12 | gan|y|med | well, i have installed from the january version and then did apt-cdrom add with the new one. but it cannot read out the packages when installing sth. (that's what it says) |
| 09:31.39 | phorce1 | gan|y|med: Mine, downloaded 10 August 2006 worked fine |
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| 09:32.21 | phorce1 | gan|y|med: Oh, wait, I grabbed the CDImage, not the DVDImage |
| 09:33.23 | gan|y|med | i am almost sure it's broken |
| 09:34.32 | nvz | this cat looks so peaceful.. has no idea its getting a _BATH_ tomorrow and I am setting off bombs |
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| 09:34.36 | Blackhold | hello |
| 09:34.43 | Blackhold | again |
| 09:34.46 | nvz | muwhahaha I am reclaiming my house |
| 09:34.53 | Blackhold | anyone knows kolab? |
| 09:35.01 | Blackhold | I installed it from apt-get |
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| 09:35.46 | Blackhold | but I don't know how to configure it |
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| 09:36.08 | phorce1 | nvz: Whenever I have owned a cat I start bathing them when VERY small. Never had a cat that didn't love the water |
| 09:36.54 | nvz | yeah well she's still a kitten and shes moving out cause I am not liking the fleas |
| 09:37.04 | nvz | or the fact that she destroys all my stuff |
| 09:37.20 | googlah | Blackhold: have you tried with 'man kolab'? |
| 09:37.22 | phorce1 | sounds like you live down around me |
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| 09:37.57 | nvz | I got a small house and I wont let her outside to drag more pests in so she'd be better off somewhere else where she can run around more anyhow |
| 09:38.05 | nvz | I already found a little old lady to take the other one |
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| 09:38.18 | basanta | anyone having problem adding hp laserjet in etch box? |
| 09:38.35 | SlayerXP | basanta: yes, you are. |
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| 09:38.41 | nvz | basanta: yeah I cant afford the laserjet |
| 09:39.11 | nvz | keep getting the error "sorry, $0.24 isnt enough sir" |
| 09:39.18 | Blackhold | googlah: there's no enough information |
| 09:39.47 | KermitTheFragger | basanta: whats the problem with your laserjet ? |
| 09:40.29 | basanta | KermitTheFragger, It gets stuck in the middle of adding printer |
| 09:40.55 | KermitTheFragger | basanta: are you using a jet direct, or is it connected via usb or lpt port ? |
| 09:41.28 | basanta | I am using a printer attached to remote server |
| 09:41.34 | nvz | they should have called it jet remote or something |
| 09:41.41 | nvz | jet direct just doesnt sound right |
| 09:41.45 | KermitTheFragger | heheh |
| 09:41.50 | phorce1 | OK, who's the yutz that created the naming convention for "shortcuts" in Gnome? Browsing the "Desktop" with Midnigh Commander and I see files named "curly", "moe", and "eek" and the only desktop shortcuts I have are for solitaire card games. |
| 09:42.10 | KermitTheFragger | basanta: are other computers able to print correctly ? |
| 09:42.13 | basanta | KermitTheFragger, it gets stuck when I give the url http://192.168..... |
| 09:42.29 | basanta | KermitTheFragger, yes |
| 09:43.14 | KermitTheFragger | so your trying to print to a remote server (cups ? ) and the remote server is connected via jet direct to the printer ? |
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| 09:45.07 | row | is there a way if I can check if two files are binary equals? |
| 09:45.18 | row | ie exactly same file |
| 09:45.35 | KermitTheFragger | just diff them i guess |
| 09:45.38 | docelic | Folks, someone here could help with an Infobot ? I can't make the bot reply in the channel to channel questions.. it always replies in private ? |
| 09:45.39 | KermitTheFragger | should work, even if they are binary i think |
| 09:45.45 | row | k |
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| 09:45.59 | docelic | row, yes |
| 09:46.02 | ofer0 | you can also md5sum |
| 09:46.15 | ootput | phorce1: (-8 |
| 09:46.20 | phorce1 | docelic: sounds perfect to me |
| 09:46.33 | row | md5sum is not as good as a binary equals tho is it? |
| 09:46.50 | ofer0 | row, don't worry. md5sum is very good. |
| 09:46.56 | KermitTheFragger | row: well you have that 0.00000000000001% change of a collision with md5 :) |
| 09:46.57 | docelic | row then wait till marriage |
| 09:47.12 | row | lol |
| 09:47.23 | row | suppose md5sum would be good enough |
| 09:47.24 | row | but meh |
| 09:48.50 | gan|y|med | i can print from any kde app but not from gnome apps (including gimp/openoffice) |
| 09:48.52 | ofer0 | KermitTheFragger, nah, I think the chance is less than what you just said. that's one to 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 chance. |
| 09:48.56 | gan|y|med | any idea why? |
| 09:48.57 | phorce1 | hmmmm wonder what's going on in etch? 13 packages held back during updtae/upgrade tonight. |
| 09:49.18 | ofer0 | phorce1, dist-upgrade |
| 09:49.32 | ofer0 | gan|y|med, stop Xprint first, then try again. |
| 09:49.48 | nvz | man I think if it takes 2 hours for you to twist one you should probably just throw it away :P |
| 09:49.58 | gan|y|med | okay |
| 09:50.00 | KermitTheFragger | ofer0: the chance of a meteor striking your house is bigger :) |
| 09:50.12 | row | :P |
| 09:50.42 | phorce1 | ofer0: I try not to usually. They generally catch up in a few days. But tonight I want to do some compiling and some of the holds are gcc and libstdc |
| 09:50.45 | ofer0 | KermitTheFragger, the chance of dieing because of caries is bigger. |
| 09:50.51 | KermitTheFragger | ofer0: lol |
| 09:51.09 | nvz | caries? |
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| 09:52.08 | KermitTheFragger | nvz: you know, rotting away |
| 09:52.20 | nvz | ah |
| 09:52.23 | ofer0 | Dental caries, also known as tooth decay or dental cavities, are holes that damage the structure of teeth. (wikipedia) |
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| 09:52.41 | ofer0 | The occurrence of dental caries is globally widespread, and the disease can lead to pain, tooth loss, infection, and, in severe cases, death. |
| 09:52.48 | ofer0 | oh my god, you can die from this shit |
| 09:52.56 | nvz | heh |
| 09:53.07 | nvz | turn into brain rot |
| 09:53.31 | nvz | makes me wanna go brush my teeth |
| 09:53.45 | nvz | oh wait I am living in wv now.. makes me wanna go brush my tooth |
| 09:53.47 | ofer0 | makes you wanna slap your mamma, isn't it? |
| 09:54.48 | ofer0 | KermitTheFragger, the chance is: 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000293873587705572 percent. |
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| 09:55.55 | KermitTheFragger | ofer0: what a coincidence, thats the exact same percentage as the chance of me getting laid ;-) |
| 09:56.01 | nvz | heh |
| 09:56.04 | gan|y|med | ofer0: xprint is not running |
| 09:56.42 | ofer0 | gan|y|med, what is the output of "ps aux | grep -i xprt; ps aux | grep -i xprint" |
| 09:57.12 | nvz | if you cant find a sleeze you arent trying. I meet one just about every day. Problem is I dont dig sleezy women. |
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| 09:58.03 | nvz | if tupac ever said anying worth remembering it was "hate to sound sleazy but tease me, I dont want it if its that easy" |
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| 09:58.29 | KermitTheFragger | nvz: rofl |
| 09:59.01 | nvz | I dont remember what song that was.. but if I had to guess I would say it was "I get around" if thats even what it was called |
| 09:59.50 | gan|y|med | ofer0: it is in #flood |
| 10:01.20 | ofer0 | gan|y|med, understand what you should do? |
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| 10:02.36 | nvz | I'm not much for the game playing, I just want to make music. its like that Jethro Tull song "Life's a long song" I'm lookin for a woman you look into her eyes and you can hear her soul singing |
| 10:03.06 | phorce1 | well crap. This package wants wx 2.7 and that's not in etch yet. Time to go digging |
| 10:03.17 | ofer0 | phorce1, shit happens |
| 10:03.32 | nvz | oh wait |
| 10:03.46 | nvz | shovels arent much for digging |
| 10:04.14 | phorce1 | pointy things work better |
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| 10:05.11 | nvz | yeah well the shovel works as long as you got a pick |
| 10:06.04 | gan|y|med | yes |
| 10:06.44 | gan|y|med | ofer0: thx for your help. i'll try it later as i don't have the printer here. cu |
| 10:07.01 | pstickne | it all depends on the soil. |
| 10:07.04 | phorce1 | well crap -- it's not in sid yet either |
| 10:07.20 | ofer0 | phorce1, checkinstall it |
| 10:07.22 | pstickne | picks are great for loosing this up but, ever tried to use one to dig in sand? |
| 10:07.26 | phorce1 | Guess I'll see if it will compile against 2.6 |
| 10:07.46 | nvz | I better crawl back into my cave.. the daylight is creeping |
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| 10:08.28 | phorce1 | ofer0: The created the .deb for ubuntu. I just hit the debian packages site and the latest wx is 2.6 |
| 10:08.42 | nvz | ah got email.. might as well read that first |
| 10:08.45 | phorce1 | I guess someone packaged it for the ubuntu bleeding edge |
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| 10:09.13 | ofer0 | phorce1, what's the problem to checkinstall it? |
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| 10:09.54 | ofer0 | phorce1, ./configure && make && checkinstall && dpkg -i *.deb && perl -le 'print "Have fun!"' |
| 10:10.53 | nvz | bah dude closed my bug saying it was a duplicate bug without even reading it :P |
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| 10:11.31 | phorce1 | ofer0: the package I want to install was built for -i386 and just from reading the dependencies inside the .deb I know it won't work. |
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| 10:12.10 | phorce1 | ofer0: It depends on something that doesn't even exist for Debian yet |
| 10:12.17 | ofer0 | phorce1, checkinstall it too. |
| 10:12.28 | nvz | thats what I get for using a similar subject line.. the bugs are on two different packages ffs |
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| 10:12.36 | ofer0 | phorce1, debian people are lazy. use slackware for a month |
| 10:12.46 | ofer0 | apt-getting everything |
| 10:12.57 | fasta | In Evolution I see that the date of a message is <some day> <some year> 22:00 +03:00. What does this last +03:00 exactly mean? |
| 10:13.07 | ofer0 | fasta, time zone |
| 10:13.10 | phorce1 | ofer0: started with slack. Never heard of checkinstall. |
| 10:13.21 | ofer0 | phorce1, aptitude install checkinstall |
| 10:13.39 | fasta | ofer0: yes, but does it mean that the other person send that mail at 22:00 in their local time zone? |
| 10:13.41 | ofer0 | phorce1, instead of "make install", you "checkinstall". it will create a .deb package that you can install with dpkg -i |
| 10:13.43 | nvz | maybe debian people are just better at managing their time getting work done instead of worrying about finding software, compiling it, resolving dependecies, recompiling it to optimize it and all that shit gentoo, slack..etc people do |
| 10:13.49 | ofer0 | fasta, yeap. |
| 10:13.53 | phorce1 | ofer0: going back to slack roots with this because I'm about to compile by hand and install in /usr/local |
| 10:14.16 | ofer0 | nvz, gentoo is nothing like slack. |
| 10:14.27 | nvz | I never said it was |
| 10:14.27 | ofer0 | nvz, gentoo is a nice toy for wannabe hackers |
| 10:14.28 | fasta | ofer0: ok, I thought, so, but I have never given at real thought before. Thank you |
| 10:14.41 | ofer0 | fasta, have fun |
| 10:14.45 | fasta | er it |
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| 10:14.46 | nvz | but its users still waste time fiddling with packages instead of using them |
| 10:15.17 | phorce1 | ofer0: trying the "debian way" is turning out to be too much of a pain in the rear. This particular piece of software is worked on by the wxwidgets developers so they are ALWAYS compiling against the latest CVS |
| 10:15.36 | ofer0 | phorce1, you can compile against the latest CVS |
| 10:15.49 | fasta | I think the difference is what people use it for. When you use the stable packages like Apache of Gentoo, I don't expect much trouble. |
| 10:16.16 | phorce1 | I may do that if compiling against 2.6 fails. They usually stay backward compatible for at least 1 or 2 releases. |
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| 10:16.25 | ofer0 | nvz, it has its' advantages |
| 10:17.10 | ofer0 | nvz, slackware is not that scary :) |
| 10:17.54 | phorce1 | ofer0: and checkinstall must be a sid thing. apt can't find it in etch |
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| 10:18.42 | ofer0 | ofer@ws76:~$ apt-cache search checkinstall <NEWLINE> checkinstall - installation tracker |
| 10:18.44 | ofer0 | in sarge. |
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| 10:18.53 | e-type | re all |
| 10:19.32 | phorce1 | ofer0: then they pulled it out of etch for some reason. Probably a new package that does something similar |
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| 10:21.05 | phorce1 | ofer0: searching on "installation tracker" also brings up a blank |
| 10:21.24 | ofer0 | phorce1, could be. I use etch @ home. use sarge mirror to install it |
| 10:22.17 | liable | !why is checkinstall not in testing? |
| 10:22.18 | dpkg | checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=checkinstall |
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| 10:26.50 | phorce1 | hmph -- unreproducible bugs should have a 90 or 180 day life before closure. |
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| 10:34.31 | doofusdog | hi all, using debian sarge netinst, when it's creating the partitions it freezes on 18% and the caps lock light blinks, tried twice, same result. ideas? |
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| 10:35.13 | k31th | hum if my web users are chrooted into there home dirs... (ftp)... and i need them to accress folders outside of there chrooted dir (i was going to use a symlink for this but thats not going to work for obvious reasons). |
| 10:35.24 | raj | how do i copy a folder preserving the old premission |
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| 10:35.58 | Fox | cp -a |
| 10:37.19 | phogg | cp --preserve=mode |
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| 10:37.59 | Talisker[w] | Hi, I'm trying to install libgtkhtml-3.0.10 but I get this error halfway through the make process --> http://pastebin.ca/154450 |
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| 10:39.31 | raj | tk Fox |
| 10:42.01 | raj | i have one more question i have around 500 Gb of data i want to copy what is the best method |
| 10:42.08 | tarzeau | raj: rsync |
| 10:42.09 | raj | which is the best command |
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| 10:42.21 | docelic | tarzeau, hey man |
| 10:42.26 | tarzeau | raj: rsync -av here/ there/ |
| 10:42.32 | raj | first i am planning to copy it then sycn |
| 10:42.32 | tarzeau | hey docelic :) how are you? |
| 10:42.32 | dpkg | tarzeau: peachy |
| 10:42.45 | raj | other wise load of the server will be very high is in it |
| 10:43.09 | tarzeau | raj: no just rsync it |
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| 10:43.18 | docelic | tarzeau, all fine thanks.. starting up some business, finishing college etc.. too many interesting things and too little time ;) |
| 10:43.19 | tarzeau | raj: no it'll be if you first copy then sync |
| 10:43.29 | tarzeau | docelic: as usual |
| 10:44.10 | raj | for fist copy which command is better and more reliable tarzeau |
| 10:44.23 | raj | it some think like directory structure |
| 10:44.35 | tarzeau | :42 < tarzeau> raj: rsync -av here/ there/ |
| 10:44.58 | tarzeau | raj: i use rsync , even or 800gb ore more |
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| 10:45.10 | docelic | tarzeau, yea, funny thing is I'm "starting business, finishing college' for years now ;) |
| 10:45.20 | ad-m | is there anyone that emulates uTorrent trough wine? |
| 10:45.27 | tarzeau | ad-m: yuck |
| 10:45.50 | ad-m | does it work for you to minimize it? :P |
| 10:45.53 | SlayerXP | ad-m: we hunted them down and burned the bodies ages ago |
| 10:45.54 | raj | raj: rsync -av here/ there/ will preserver permission also tarzeau |
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| 10:46.07 | ad-m | SlayerXP: ok :) |
| 10:46.08 | tarzeau | raj: yes |
| 10:46.20 | raj | k tk tarzeau |
| 10:46.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:46.28 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:46.46 | Talisker[w] | anyway to find older versions of packages on the repos? |
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| 10:47.21 | Talisker[w] | I need gtkhtml-3.0.x |
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| 10:49.52 | liable | Talisker[w]: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 10:50.04 | Talisker[w] | liable, is that a repo? |
| 10:50.09 | kintaro0e | hello guys..how to create alias? |
| 10:50.18 | Talisker[w] | ln |
| 10:50.25 | Talisker[w] | kintaro0e, man ln |
| 10:50.26 | liable | Talisker[w]: take a look |
| 10:50.36 | berzerka | if i do an 'aptitude search "~dqamix"', can i say definitely that there is no package containig the (alsa-modular-synth) program QAMix? |
| 10:50.47 | liable | kintaro0e: you mean for bash or what? |
| 10:50.47 | Talisker[w] | "server not found" |
| 10:50.56 | Trewas | hmm, I wonder if popcon should really be believed... according to it there are three times more people using testing/unstable than stable |
| 10:51.03 | liable | Talisker[w]: .net |
| 10:51.23 | kintaro0e | liable: i mean i'll alias my user to root :) |
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| 10:51.38 | liable | kintaro0e: eh? |
| 10:51.47 | berzerka | Trewas, i would believe that... i think on the desktop, people use mainly testing (thats what i do, since stable is always outdated..) |
| 10:51.49 | Talisker[w] | plz don't say ".net", I'm allergic |
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| 10:52.55 | Talisker[w] | :( |
| 10:53.14 | Trewas | berzerka: that could be (I am of course also using testing), but the difference is still quite large in favor of testing/unstable |
| 10:53.46 | Trewas | maybe debian should drop stable altogether, so much hassle to release and then they won't use it anyway ;) |
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| 10:54.10 | liable | berzerka: dont forget, people that run unstable/testing may download the same package mutiple times |
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| 10:55.06 | MatBoy | Can you really hear the difference between a Intel Onboard Sound and a Creative Soundblaster Live ? |
| 10:55.10 | Trewas | liable: I was looking at the "Statistics per popularity-contest releases" staistic, version 1.28 is in stable, 1.33 in testing/unstable... those numbers should not be affected by how many times packages are downloaded |
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| 10:55.13 | liable | Talisker[w]: tell that to all the people running servers |
| 10:55.17 | liable | Talisker[w]: ^^ |
| 10:55.21 | liable | fuck |
| 10:55.23 | cydork | Trewas: almost all the servers run on stable |
| 10:55.28 | Talisker[w] | http://pastebin.ca/154463 <-- a snippet of what I get when I try to install the new version of mysql-query-editor |
| 10:56.22 | docelic | query-editor always had some trouble |
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| 10:56.34 | Talisker[w] | Yeah... |
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| 10:56.43 | Talisker[w] | needless to say, I have all this packages installed proper |
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| 10:58.20 | cydork | Talisker[w]: check the configure file to see which file it check for existance of that package, then try apt-file search for that file |
| 11:00.33 | Talisker[w] | t's unreadable |
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| 11:03.59 | cydork | Talisker[w]: unreadable? |
| 11:04.34 | doofusdog | hi all, using debian sarge netinst, when it's creating the partitions it freezes on 18% and the caps lock light blinks, tried twice, same result. ideas? |
| 11:04.50 | ofer0 | doofusdog, are you sure that the CD is not damaged? |
| 11:05.14 | Talisker[w] | cydork, like readable, but the opposite |
| 11:05.15 | ofer0 | md5sumed it? |
| 11:05.22 | doofusdog | no not sure, but freshly burnt on a reliable burner |
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| 11:05.23 | cydork | hey dpkg just quit :( |
| 11:05.26 | Talisker[w] | I'm trying to find the references there, but no luck |
| 11:05.33 | cydork | dpkg: wb |
| 11:05.33 | dpkg | thanks, cydork. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.34 | docelic | doofusdog, cmp /dev/scd0 netinst.iso |
| 11:05.38 | Talisker[w] | [I'm talikg about the ./configure file] |
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| 11:06.25 | cydork | Talisker[w]: so am i. they are just some scripts which check the existance of some files on your comp |
| 11:06.52 | Talisker[w] | cydork, I know that, I'm browsing the ./configure script right now |
| 11:06.56 | cydork | Talisker[w]: just search for that name in configure file and you will see what am i talking about |
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| 11:07.18 | Talisker[w] | But I can't find any referneces to the "missing" packages |
| 11:07.52 | ScratchyBadger | is this the place to ask about package install problems? |
| 11:08.12 | cydork | what the hell is wrong with dpkg?? |
| 11:08.24 | Talisker[w] | sigh... nevermind |
| 11:08.24 | cydork | !test |
| 11:08.24 | dpkg | Sorry, cydork, I didn't get your test. |
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| 11:08.38 | cydork | Talisker[w]: got it? |
| 11:08.48 | Talisker[w] | cydork, couldn't |
| 11:08.55 | Talisker[w] | and now I have to do other work crap :/ |
| 11:09.00 | Talisker[w] | maybe I'll get to it later today |
| 11:09.22 | fooadd | I have this laptop ( my borther's) and I wanna know if LILO or Grub is installed, how? do I need to reboot and see which one runs? |
| 11:09.29 | cydork | Talisker[w]: oh yes and one more thing ".net" |
| 11:09.34 | cydork | :) |
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| 11:10.05 | DerJamster | fooadd: search for /boot/grub and/or /etc/lilo.conf |
| 11:10.14 | DerJamster | fooadd: also consult the package manager of the distribution |
| 11:10.15 | fooadd | aha :) |
| 11:10.31 | ScratchyBadger | anyone have problems installing python-2.4.3-11, i keep getting /usr/share/python/runtime.d/python-gnome2.rtupdate: line 4: pyversions: command not found ? |
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| 11:12.36 | moshii | does anyone know of something that works a bit like kwallet but on the console? |
| 11:13.53 | jelly-home | what does kwallet do? |
| 11:14.20 | _Dae_ | Hi, i had downloaded a few months before 2 dvds debian, when i installed debian on my pc i couldn't install much programs because many packages were broken. If i install it now will i have the same problem? |
| 11:14.22 | enouf | jelly-home: sotres passwds |
| 11:14.27 | enouf | stores* |
| 11:14.41 | tarzeau | _Dae_: was that sarge? |
| 11:14.54 | _Dae_ | i think so |
| 11:15.21 | kintaro0e | liable: how to solve my problem on alias?what i like is this: i want to see the emails of the root because i install logwatch..that emails the logs to the root..so how will i read also the emails?i read about alias..any idea? |
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| 11:15.37 | enouf | moshii: apt-cache search --names-only passw |
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| 11:15.43 | fooadd | DerJamster, /etc/lilo.conf and /boot/grub/menu.lst both exist, is this weird? this is Debian sarge btw |
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| 11:15.59 | DerJamster | fooadd: are you root? |
| 11:16.15 | fooadd | yeah, I have root access |
| 11:16.47 | DerJamster | fooadd: dpkg -l | grep -Ei "(grub|lilo)" |
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| 11:16.50 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
| 11:16.57 | _Dae_ | tarzeau, yes it was sarge |
| 11:17.05 | moshii | enouf: mypasswordsafe looks like what I want |
| 11:17.18 | moshii | enouf: x11 though :( |
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| 11:18.16 | jelly-home | enouf: eh, I use an alias for "gpg -d ~/passwds.gpg | grep foo" |
| 11:18.28 | enouf | moshii: then 'apt-cache show mypasswordsafe' or whatever pkg you seem interested in - for more info about it - you may need to run apt-get update ... |
| 11:18.33 | fooadd | DerJamster, thanks! it seems only "grub" installed , but dunno why /etc/lilo.conf still exists |
| 11:18.39 | moshii | the problem is I want to store some important passwords on this shell account so that I can pick them up whereever i am.. but I don't want another user getting them ;) |
| 11:18.55 | tarzeau | _Dae_: what did you do, that failed? |
| 11:19.28 | cydork | kintaro0e: you will have to add some thing like root: username to that file i guess. |
| 11:19.35 | _Dae_ | tarzeau, almost everything ...even kde failed |
| 11:19.58 | tarzeau | _Dae_: the sarge one works here fine |
| 11:19.59 | moshii | jelly-home: that gpg line looks like what I need |
| 11:20.12 | tarzeau | _Dae_: i don't know why it fails for you. what did you do exactly? and what msg did you get? |
| 11:20.13 | kintaro0e | cydork: ok thanks |
| 11:20.18 | cydork | _Dae_: what do you mean by failed? it failed to install? it failed to run? |
| 11:20.20 | tarzeau | _Dae_: it must be user or hardware problems |
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| 11:20.51 | enouf | jelly-home: you mean as a passwd storage ? kwallet is a KDE thing and you can make many wallets if you like - I find it more than a little buggy (maybe just certain versions), and I'm not recommending it - it has some other functions >> stores/hold Form data and such |
| 11:21.47 | _Dae_ | tarzeau, i tried to install some programs , codecs etc and i got all the time the message the Name_package package is broken |
| 11:21.49 | cydork | tarzeau: or pebkac :) |
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| 11:23.03 | cydork | _Dae_: install it again and come to this channel if you have some problems |
| 11:23.25 | _Dae_ | cydork, ok |
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| 11:24.33 | _Dae_ | One thing more, if i have the amd64 can i install it on a x86 machine? |
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| 11:25.54 | eastwood | 64b on 32bits wont work |
| 11:26.02 | eastwood | the other way will tho |
| 11:26.17 | _Dae_ | ok |
| 11:26.22 | _Dae_ | thx for help |
| 11:26.38 | moshii | most x86's are 64bit now :/ |
| 11:26.58 | _Dae_ | mine isn't:P |
| 11:27.28 | moshii | _Dae_: even semprons are 64bit capable now |
| 11:28.04 | _Dae_ | moshii, mine is a pentium 4 at 1,9ghz |
| 11:28.26 | MatBoy | Guys, I have placed a Ambient Fax/Modem in my Debian box. I have the problem that it is seen as an Ambient Technologies Device, but Unknownm |
| 11:28.29 | MatBoy | -m |
| 11:28.45 | moshii | _Dae_: well there you go. My 2.4ghz mobile p4 is just before hyperthreading and all that stuff started shipping :( |
| 11:28.47 | phorce1 | is there any way to update the groups you're in without actually closing all your TTY's and logging out then back in after using addgroup to add yourself to a new group? |
| 11:29.39 | _Dae_ | moshii, :( |
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| 11:30.27 | xored | is it possible to save ooffice / ms-office dokumentes into databases ? |
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| 11:35.05 | KermitTheFragger | WTF DID SOMEBODY SAY DOT NET!?!? WHO WAS IT ? I WANT NAMEEESSSSS |
| 11:35.10 | KermitTheFragger | :) |
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| 11:37.55 | Gecko | Hey there. Is it still possible to find backports for good ol' woody? |
| 11:38.02 | Verdin | Hey... I've been having a problem with aptitude where it can't (for some reason) get a lock on the administration directory. I don't have any other programs open that would do that.... |
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| 11:39.19 | MatBoy | Wow, my HDA audio Onboard works much more better than my Soundblaster Live :D |
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| 11:41.55 | invitado11 | hi all, did anybody here compiled and installed megaraid_sas ? can it be compiled for 2.6.13-15 ? |
| 11:43.46 | petemc | i use it, on 2.6.16 kernels tho |
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| 11:44.43 | invitado11 | petemc well, i was asking because i cant find one for 2.6.13* |
| 11:45.02 | petemc | it probably didnt exist then |
| 11:45.10 | petemc | its relatively new |
| 11:45.13 | invitado11 | yep |
| 11:45.34 | petemc | so, the answer is to update your kernel |
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| 11:49.07 | MatBoy | is someone using a Modem under Debian here ? |
| 11:50.50 | streuner_ | !winmodem |
| 11:50.51 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 11:52.10 | MatBoy | streuner_, yep I have seen that.. the problem is that you need a special kernel version for it ? |
| 11:52.51 | streuner_ | what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:53.57 | MatBoy | streuner_, ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:53.58 | streuner_ | in debian all versions have by default ppp enabled in kernel, so no problem then |
| 11:54.28 | Verdin | For some reason, a schema for a program I'm trying to use won't install properly. |
| 11:54.44 | MatBoy | streuner_, I only have to install the driver ? |
| 11:55.02 | streuner_ | !b-e MatBoy |
| 11:55.02 | dpkg | MatBoy: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 11:55.16 | streuner_ | MatBoy: yes, you need to compile the kernel |
| 11:55.47 | streuner_ | or option 2) you buy a extern modem, done. |
| 11:55.49 | MatBoy | streuner_, I don;t get it. PPP is enabled in the kernel by default, and still I need to compile the kernel ? |
| 11:56.01 | MatBoy | streuner_, also an option |
| 11:56.13 | streuner_ | MatBoy: not the kernel itself, just a driver |
| 11:56.26 | streuner_ | MatBoy: oh laptop? /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 11:56.37 | MatBoy | streuner_, nope, workstation ! |
| 11:57.00 | MatBoy | streuner_, but why are there no deb-files for it present ? |
| 11:57.32 | streuner_ | ok, just visit the URL you found in factoid <winmodem>, read instructions and compile the driver |
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| 11:58.01 | MatBoy | streuner_, OK, it would be great than ! |
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| 11:58.26 | MatBoy | It was possible to get my modem in because my Onboard sound it better than my Creative Soundblaster Live :D |
| 11:59.10 | tonyg_ | hi all. is anyone running amd64 with the i810 driver successfully? (dell 5150, intel 945g chipset) |
| 11:59.51 | MatBoy | streuner_, btw, the install-script for debian says that it;s a not supported Kernel... that was my problem |
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| 12:01.05 | streuner_ | MatBoy: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 12:01.23 | streuner_ | !tell tonyg_ about amd64 |
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| 12:01.29 | stefan_ | hi all |
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| 12:01.42 | tonyg_ | streuner_, thanks |
| 12:01.45 | MatBoy | streuner_, Linux version 2.6.15 (Version: Custom.1) (root@workstation) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) #1 Fri Jun 2 17:22:14 CEST 2006 |
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| 12:01.52 | cr3 | I'm trying to run an X application on a remote host and I get: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 192.168.1.11 |
| 12:02.19 | scheuri | may anyone confirm that debian etch still has samba 3.0.22 (and not 3.0.23b) in repos? |
| 12:02.20 | streuner_ | MatBoy: we spoke about official kernels, NOT custom kernels :-) |
| 12:02.36 | streuner_ | !info samba etch |
| 12:02.48 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.22-1 (etch), Packaged size: 2998 kB, Installed size: 7512 kB |
| 12:02.55 | scheuri | thanks... |
| 12:03.07 | MatBoy | streuner_, yeah. but this is a default debian APT-get :) |
| 12:03.25 | scheuri | anyone an idea where to get a binary (repo) for 3.0.23b? or might this somehow be in the official repos before it gets stable? |
| 12:03.31 | streuner_ | !tell scheuri about simple sid backport |
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| 12:03.48 | MatBoy | streuner_, OK, I have a nvidia oneliner :D |
| 12:03.50 | scheuri | streuner_: thanks... |
| 12:03.51 | streuner_ | scheuri: its in unstable |
| 12:04.09 | doctorh | Hi! On a debian system, how can i get simply the device names of the harddisks connected to the machine? |
| 12:04.36 | scheuri | streuner_: however...I still quite uneasy on backporting from SID on a etch-machine (which eventually will get stable) |
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| 12:04.37 | Fox | doctorh: df |
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| 12:05.03 | doctorh | Fox: I need only the device names of it, like /dev/sda, and only of the harddisks, so for example no /dev/scd0. |
| 12:05.39 | alexbodn | hi all. i have zope2.9 and plone-site installed on testing. but i can't access zmi, even with the user and password given in the installation process |
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| 12:05.46 | streuner_ | MatBoy: the output of "cat /proc/version" shows a custom kernel |
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| 12:06.06 | MatBoy | streuner_, Can;t remember why... but I needed it for Nvidia I thought |
| 12:06.16 | streuner_ | MatBoy: grep the /boot/config-<kernel-version> with 'ppp' |
| 12:06.19 | scheuri | !me backports |
| 12:06.19 | dpkg | moi? |
| 12:06.29 | scheuri | !scheuri backports |
| 12:06.46 | scheuri | !tell scheuri about backports |
| 12:06.58 | streuner_ | scheuri: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:07.10 | streuner_ | scheuri: /message bot factoid |
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| 12:07.44 | Gecko | Is it still possible to find backports for good ol' woody? |
| 12:08.25 | MatBoy | streuner_, may I post for once 10 lines here ? |
| 12:08.30 | scheuri | thanks for help... |
| 12:08.31 | liable | Gecko: check backports site i guess |
| 12:08.39 | streuner_ | MatBoy: /msg dpkg paste |
| 12:09.02 | MatBoy | CONFIG_HDLC_PPP=y |
| 12:09.02 | MatBoy | CONFIG_PC300_MLPPP=y |
| 12:09.02 | MatBoy | CONFIG_PPP=m |
| 12:09.02 | MatBoy | CONFIG_PPP_MULTILINK=y |
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| 12:09.06 | Fox | doctorh: look in /proc/ide/ |
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| 12:09.15 | MatBoy | CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP=m |
| 12:09.17 | MatBoy | CONFIG_PPP_MPPE=m |
| 12:09.19 | MatBoy | CONFIG_PPPOE=m |
| 12:09.21 | MatBoy | CONFIG_PPPOATM=m |
| 12:09.22 | Gecko | Damn, I'm really afraid of upgrading my production server to sarge |
| 12:09.23 | MatBoy | CONFIG_ISDN_PPP=y |
| 12:09.25 | MatBoy | CONFIG_ISDN_PPP_VJ=y |
| 12:09.27 | MatBoy | CONFIG_IPPP_FILTER=y |
| 12:09.29 | MatBoy | CONFIG_ISDN_PPP_BSDCOMP=m |
| 12:09.31 | MatBoy | Damn !! |
| 12:09.32 | liable | Gecko: you should really upgrade to sarge though, i dunno if woody id even getting security any more |
| 12:09.33 | MatBoy | this was not the idea :D |
| 12:09.33 | Fox | that's more than 10 lines... |
| 12:09.43 | Gecko | liable: it's not... |
| 12:09.45 | streuner_ | MatBoy: who told you to flood the channel? |
| 12:09.56 | MatBoy | streuner_, my misstake !! |
| 12:10.00 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 12:10.01 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 12:10.01 | MatBoy | !beer streuner_ |
| 12:10.24 | SpComb | !coke |
| 12:10.24 | dpkg | hmm... coke is not the drug and not the beverage, but a formidable hacker. Don't mess with him! |
| 12:10.39 | streuner_ | MatBoy: hm, where did you get this install-script from? does it mention something else? |
| 12:10.57 | oomph-work | which debian branch do most of you run? |
| 12:11.11 | doctorh | Fox: yes, yes, but what if it' s a cdrom, or a scsi device? Should i collect all of the information myself, or is there any procinfo/ tool/ anything which collects it instead of me? |
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| 12:11.37 | Fox | dunno doctorh, don't think so |
| 12:11.42 | cr3 | why can't I set my DISPLAY variable to localip:0.0 |
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| 12:12.26 | streuner_ | oomph-work: who knows? |
| 12:12.27 | MatBoy | streuner_, from here... it was written into the Intel.txt bt the scanModem Script: http://members.lycos.co.uk/persianlinux/downloads/intel536ep/Intel536_inst_debian |
| 12:12.38 | streuner_ | hm |
| 12:12.50 | streuner_ | oomph-work: i run stable and unstable |
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| 12:13.07 | ManowarrioR | hello |
| 12:13.12 | doctorh | Fox: thanks, then i write my own script for it. |
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| 12:13.16 | oomph-work | streuner_: just trying to decide which one to install. Hows testing ? |
| 12:13.20 | ManowarrioR | How to setup my ps1 in Csh? |
| 12:13.47 | streuner_ | oomph-work: just use stable/sarge to start, and later testing/etch |
| 12:14.00 | streuner_ | get some experience first |
| 12:14.02 | oomph-work | ive used stable before its kinda dated |
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| 12:14.44 | ManowarrioR | anybody? |
| 12:15.24 | doctorh | ManowarrioR: from /etc/csh.cshrc: set prompt = "WhatYouwant" |
| 12:15.32 | streuner_ | MatBoy: hm, sounds to me it supports 2.4.x kernels... |
| 12:15.49 | MatBoy | streuner_, I also have the idea... I think I need to install it manually |
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| 12:16.19 | ManowarrioR | doctorh: thanks a lot. |
| 12:16.20 | xored | how to install flashplayer 8 for firefox under gentoo ? |
| 12:16.21 | ManowarrioR | :) |
| 12:16.34 | asg | xored: ask #gentoo |
| 12:16.39 | streuner_ | xored: firefox binaries? |
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| 12:16.46 | asg | xored: or are you talking about the filemanager gentoo? |
| 12:17.01 | MatBoy | streuner_, can I use a Ubuntu Dapper way ? |
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| 12:22.44 | solars | hey, can anyone suggest a tool to capture video from a webcam (/dev/video0) and save it as mpg or so ? |
| 12:22.44 | amee2k | when fsck says "inode 16384 has illegal blocks. Clear?", does "clear" mean "delete"? |
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| 12:26.22 | amee2k | o.O |
| 12:26.58 | SlayerXP | amee2k: not so much delete as "disassociate" |
| 12:27.05 | SlayerXP | but, effectively delete, yes |
| 12:28.03 | amee2k | so more like emergency slaughter |
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| 12:28.55 | eXiSt | hi |
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| 12:30.51 | amee2k | hi :) |
| 12:31.11 | eXiSt | i have a debian gateway. Squid and iptables running on it. Dhcp server gives ip to my local network according to their ethernet mac ids. And by the help of this i set security policies to my local network. |
| 12:31.30 | eXiSt | You know that ethernet mac ids can spoofed by users |
| 12:32.02 | eXiSt | So one user can change its box ip to another users mac id. |
| 12:32.10 | eXiSt | what can i do for this issue? |
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| 12:35.41 | murat | hi |
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| 12:36.18 | murat | is there anyeay to see what there is in .deb file as in .rpm with rpm2targz? |
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| 12:37.30 | SlayerXP | multi_io: dpkg -x |
| 12:37.34 | SlayerXP | err |
| 12:37.54 | SlayerXP | murat: dpkg -x |
| 12:37.54 | murat | I am not using debian |
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| 12:38.15 | epsilon | extract it? |
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| 12:39.16 | pitillo | murat, may be alien is a good choice... but don?t know the possibility of use it in your current system |
| 12:39.29 | murat | ok I will try |
| 12:39.38 | asg | murat: ar -x foo.deb |
| 12:39.48 | asg | er ar x foo.deb |
| 12:39.57 | murat | er? |
| 12:40.21 | pitillo | murat, er==error |
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| 12:44.52 | HNT | Hello everybody, what's the bloc name of those who control the keyboard (/dev/... ?) |
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| 12:45.38 | roby | Where can I get a list of apt mirrors for AMD64 etch? |
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| 12:47.18 | roby | never mind |
| 12:47.36 | MatBoy | damn, a Linmodem is not that easy to install. What is the difference comparing to a External modem ? |
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| 12:49.48 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:49.59 | eastwood | hey JB |
| 12:50.26 | J_P | hey all, I have RAID 1, using two HDs with debian sarge. But I remove one that HD and boot with de first.. after I halt system and add that HD, but system no recognize more that second HD in RAID, I think when I start only one HD system get out from RAID that second. Question is: how I add that HD in RAID 1 agaim ? |
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| 12:52.50 | poslaj | want to implement vpn for roaming users but can't find package 'poptop' for pptp. i am using etch. |
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| 12:54.33 | cydork | poslaj: do apt-cache search poptop |
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| 12:54.50 | J_P | anyone could help me with RAID ? |
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| 12:55.29 | poslaj | cydork: good suggestion. it is called pptpd. |
| 12:55.32 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 12:55.34 | poslaj | thks |
| 12:55.47 | fireba11 | J_P you need to add HD to mdadm again |
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| 12:56.02 | Mitja | How do I run apps that require DISPLAY to be set from cron? |
| 12:57.04 | cydork | Mitja: write a script which does that then put that script in cron :P |
| 12:57.21 | Mitja | cydork, can you tell me how? |
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| 12:57.33 | J_P | fireba11: yes, I'm reading mdmd --help, but I don't sure fi I need do exactaly this : mdadm --manage --add ... understand ? Becouse not is new HD for raid is old HD where have data but I only star first HD one time without this.. |
| 12:57.36 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 12:57.38 | cydork | !fishing |
| 12:57.39 | dpkg | somebody said fishing was if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
| 12:57.53 | cydork | Mitja: i cant ^^ :) |
| 12:57.57 | Talisker[w] | Has nyone ever tried to configure a barcode reader to work with linux? |
| 12:58.02 | J_P | fireba11: or I manage that HD / partition like as a new RAID and need do all sync agaim.. format etc.. ? |
| 12:58.06 | Mitja | cydork, don't you know how to do it? |
| 12:58.14 | J_P | fireba11: becouse I think need only active it.. |
| 12:58.14 | Mitja | Know of any good links? |
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| 12:58.40 | Neeesat25 | I have spend lots of time trying to install debian on a usb stick and boot from it but with no luck I get to a point that says GRUB and I see a line blinking |
| 12:58.53 | epsilon | J_P: you must create partitions and set the type to Linux RAID auto-detect. Then add it to mdX |
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| 12:59.36 | Neeesat25 | What I have to put in my menu.lst to make it boot? |
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| 12:59.45 | OllieD | I'll soon find out |
| 12:59.53 | J_P | epsilon: my first question is this : hey all, I have RAID 1, using two HDs with debian sarge. But I remove one that HD and boot with de first.. after I halt system and add that HD, but system no recognize more that second HD in RAID, I think when I start only one HD system get out from RAID that second. Question is: how I add that HD in RAID 1 agaim ? |
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| 13:01.31 | cydork | Mitja: you can do it just try to write a script. which will export DISPLAY, and then execute your program (hint) ;) |
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| 13:03.35 | Neeesat25 | anyone try it? |
| 13:04.20 | ootput | Regarding apt-move, altering DIST in apt-move.conf doesn't appear (-t) to create separate directories for different releases. I've got a repo running for a sarge box via an nfs mount that's served by a local webserver. I'm considering creating another repo for an etch box within that same nfs mount, but as the test run doesn't show a different release directory, I'm wary of any potential clobbering. For those of you with multiple-repo setups, will ... |
| 13:04.27 | ootput | ... clobbering occur? |
| 13:05.23 | cydork | Neeesat25: how did you install grub? |
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| 13:06.46 | Neeesat25 | Well I try lots of deferent ways but from cdrom and to /dev/sda1 |
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| 13:07.17 | fireba11 | Neeesat25: taht wasn't the question |
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| 13:08.23 | Neeesat25 | from netinstall CD I use as Destination for installation the SDA1 device |
| 13:08.49 | Neeesat25 | I have install debian net install on my USB STICK 2GB |
| 13:09.34 | Neeesat25 | Even I have set my motherboard to boot from USB stick it does not boot |
| 13:09.48 | Mitja | cydork, so far I have "export DISPLAY=<ip>:0.0", but it doesn't work |
| 13:10.15 | Gecko | Why is it upgrading from woody to sarge is like walking on stilts at the edge of a mountain? |
| 13:10.38 | moshii | Gecko: how are you upgrading? |
| 13:10.53 | fireba11 | Gecko: don't know .. can only tell you that sarge > etch works pretty painless right now |
| 13:11.02 | Gecko | moshii: apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 13:11.34 | moshii | Gecko: maybe you should do it in smaller chunks .. like upgrade the kernel first |
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| 13:11.44 | Gecko | moshii: I'm not upgrading the kernel |
| 13:11.46 | moshii | Gecko: then bigger subsystems |
| 13:11.48 | cydork | Neeesat25: well try to go to grub menu grub, and do root(hd?,0) and then setup(hd?,0) and try again i guess |
| 13:12.27 | cydork | Gecko: best is dist-upgrade, and it will take a time if you have lot of stuff installed |
| 13:12.36 | moshii | Gecko: you're trying to do a mass upgrade. Things will probably work better if you do a smaller number of packages at a time |
| 13:12.51 | fireba11 | moshii: no |
| 13:13.00 | Gecko | I need everything updated. Can't have a partially upgraded system |
| 13:13.13 | cydork | moshii: nope it's dist-upgrade man you cant do it one package at a time |
| 13:13.19 | Gecko | It's a production server for (insert your favorite deity here)'s sake |
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| 13:13.51 | fireba11 | Gecko: changing sources.list to sarge and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should work .. you need to do some minor config fixes probably then but everything should work |
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| 13:14.15 | Gecko | fireba11: well, untill now I had one major bug, requiring me to install perl-base manually |
| 13:14.44 | fireba11 | Gecko: yes, but those you can normall figure out pretty easy |
| 13:14.58 | moshii | cydork: you don't have to dist upgrade ... you can run bits from each distro if you really want ;) |
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| 13:15.23 | Gecko | my network is now broken |
| 13:15.25 | moshii | cydork: the point is if stuff is breaking it might be an idea to get base stuff upgraded and then do the dist upgrade |
| 13:15.26 | fireba11 | moshii: please refrain from suggesting stuff that is expected to NOT work well |
| 13:15.45 | moshii | fireba11: so how does experimental work then? |
| 13:15.47 | PumpkinPie | if anyone wants to use a few hundred megabits for free let me know (seriously) |
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| 13:16.04 | MojOrow | can people give me opinions on how large the think the site forums.remote-exploit.org is? |
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| 13:16.06 | Kevin` | PumpkinPie storage or bandwidth, eh? |
| 13:16.15 | Kevin` | use megabits? |
| 13:16.16 | PumpkinPie | Kevin: bandwidth |
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| 13:16.35 | PumpkinPie | Kevin`: you have a need? |
| 13:16.35 | abrotman | moshii: experimental are packages that the DD decides aren't actually ready for general consumption |
| 13:16.41 | fireba11 | MojOrow: how large ? database size ? site impressions ? users ? |
| 13:16.54 | Gecko | I'm very scared if I don't get that database up again, I'll have about 400 users knocking on my door in a few minutes |
| 13:16.55 | MojOrow | i mean if i was to download it as a whole? |
| 13:17.08 | Kevin` | PumpkinPie hmm, not at a few hundred.. torrents would use that quickly =p |
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| 13:17.27 | moshii | abrotman: yes, but the point is you don't have fully pull up to sarge in one go |
| 13:17.31 | fireba11 | Gecko: where exactly is the problem ?? |
| 13:17.38 | PumpkinPie | how do I setup a torrent ? |
| 13:17.44 | Gecko | fireba11: it wont start up for an unknown reason |
| 13:17.47 | fireba11 | MojOrow: with a spider or something ? |
| 13:18.06 | fireba11 | Gecko: give details of the error emssage if you want fast help :-) |
| 13:18.07 | Kevin` | PumpkinPie dunno, i'm usually on the downloading end |
| 13:18.12 | MojOrow | i have started to use wget to download interesting websites |
| 13:18.13 | Gecko | fireba11: "root" execution of the PostgreSQL server is not permitted. |
| 13:19.04 | MojOrow | i;m at a gig and a half and i am wondering how much it will take |
| 13:19.29 | fireba11 | Gecko: postgresql is supposed to run as user postgresql |
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| 13:19.49 | MojOrow | so... |
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| 13:19.55 | Gecko | fireba11: I'm just starting it with /etc/init.d/postgresql start |
| 13:20.00 | fireba11 | MojOrow: probably quite a few gigs ... wth are you trying that ? |
| 13:20.43 | Gecko | fireba11: only thing I can find on google is in finish :( |
| 13:20.50 | MojOrow | i like websites |
| 13:21.00 | MojOrow | and i have an inate fear that they'll go away |
| 13:21.08 | fireba11 | Gecko: chekc the startuo script, it got the user somewhere |
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| 13:21.29 | fireba11 | MojOrow: get medical help then because that's what websites do :-) |
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| 13:21.41 | eXiSt | hi.is there any way for disable ethernet mad address spoofing ? |
| 13:21.53 | eXiSt | hi.is there any way for disable ethernet mac address spoofing ? |
| 13:21.57 | MojOrow | and whats a better what to learn then to understand every discussion on a topic for a year |
| 13:22.04 | MojOrow | or 2 |
| 13:22.10 | MojOrow | and all the topics |
| 13:22.26 | fireba11 | MojOrow: read manuals because itS' way faster |
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| 13:22.36 | MojOrow | yes i agree |
| 13:22.40 | epsilon | Gecko: read the log in /var/log/postgres |
| 13:22.44 | MojOrow | but how do you know what to look for |
| 13:23.03 | MojOrow | and where do you go when you are stuck with an error not mentioned in the man |
| 13:23.15 | Gecko | epsilon: FATAL: unrecognized configuration parameter "debug_level" |
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| 13:23.28 | fireba11 | Gecko: i got a --chuid postgres in startup block there .. check if you got that too |
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| 13:23.41 | MojOrow | also when friends are fooling around it;s better to haver a copy with you then go to the site from some random onnection |
| 13:23.42 | bronze | howdy all, does anyone know if sarge's bash supports "shopt -s extglob" (i don't have a sarge up right now) |
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| 13:24.00 | epsilon | Gecko: rgrep debug_level /etc/postgres |
| 13:24.17 | Gecko | got it |
| 13:24.19 | MojOrow | the reason i am asking is becasue i only have 10 gigs left on the drive an i am winddering if it will sustain the remaining data |
| 13:24.39 | abrotman | moshii: you don't have to waht ? |
| 13:24.46 | epsilon | guess the configuration spec has changed, but from woody->sarge you denied install now default config? |
| 13:24.49 | Gecko | gah! It removed apache! |
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| 13:25.27 | MojOrow | does anyone know of any vmware images that are honeypotish? |
| 13:25.29 | bronze | Does anyone know if sarge's bash supports "shopt -s extglob" :This test >> i="foo "; echo "XXX${i%%*([[:blank:]])}XXX" << will return "XXXfooXXX" after setting that shopt if it does |
| 13:25.39 | epsilon | you really upgraded a production system in use right now, from woody->sarge? |
| 13:25.43 | fireba11 | Gecko: i know it's probably too late now, but never do big upgrades on productive boxes while ppl are working on it ;-) |
| 13:25.49 | junix|work | i am trying to upgrade my test box to a Debian Experimental state....when i do a apt-get update / apt-get upgrade, there is nothing to update..... any reason? |
| 13:26.08 | Gecko | fireba11: I was working on it! I needed the sarge files :D |
| 13:26.20 | moshii | abrotman: when moving from woody to sarge it isn't essential that you upgrade everything you have installed in one go |
| 13:26.21 | epsilon | "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 13:26.23 | Fox | junix|work: try `aptitude dist-upgrade` |
| 13:26.24 | MojOrow | and or how to setup test networks? |
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| 13:26.33 | fireba11 | Gecko: backports ? ah well :-) |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | moshii: that's called mixing .. and it's considered bad |
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| 13:26.47 | Gecko | fireba11: back ports aren't available for woody anymore |
| 13:27.05 | MatBoy | what is easier with a external modem comapring to an internal one ? |
| 13:27.06 | fireba11 | Gecko: oh, taht might be true .. got no woody box anymore |
| 13:27.14 | abrotman | Gecko: they might be .. but not without searching |
| 13:27.29 | Gecko | abrotman: believe me. I have searched :) |
| 13:27.42 | junix|work | Fox: said nothing to update, i changed it to unstable right b4....so everything in unstable is in experimental....all i really want is samba4 |
| 13:27.43 | abrotman | apt-get.org ? |
| 13:27.52 | Gecko | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 13:27.59 | MojOrow | how large can the forum be? |
| 13:28.13 | abrotman | MojOrow: ask #vmware |
| 13:28.30 | moshii | abrotman: it might be bad in the long run but its useful if dist-upgrade doens't work |
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| 13:28.55 | MojOrow | ok |
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| 13:28.58 | moshii | a lot of the time you can't just do a huge upgrade on an unstable machine that has been out of sync for a while |
| 13:29.25 | abrotman | moshii: no it's not .. you're crazy |
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| 13:30.12 | MojOrow | what about the remote exploit foru |
| 13:30.13 | MojOrow | m |
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| 13:31.27 | abrotman | MojOrow: what does that have to do with Debian ? |
| 13:31.53 | MojOrow | debian is good distro for lamp configs |
| 13:32.08 | bronze | Can someone test this on a sarge for me? I don't have access to a sarge system right now. shopt -s extglob; i="foo "; echo "XXX${i%%*([[:blank:]])}XXX"; It should echo XXXfooXXX if it works correctly. |
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| 13:32.23 | MojOrow | thus people would have experiance in estimating such a matter? |
| 13:32.57 | fireba11 | bronze: works |
| 13:33.02 | Gecko | ok, starting apache takes about a minute now :( |
| 13:33.11 | bronze | fireba11: Thank you. |
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| 13:33.18 | bronze | fireball++ |
| 13:33.23 | moshii | abrotman: crazy with lot's of working upgrades from woody |
| 13:33.25 | bronze | :) |
| 13:33.27 | MojOrow | is that a goof enough reason? |
| 13:33.31 | moshii | s/lot's/lots |
| 13:33.38 | abrotman | moshii: halfassed upgrades are no good |
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| 13:34.17 | MojOrow | great |
| 13:34.33 | MojOrow | 50,000 files in one directory |
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| 13:34.37 | moshii | abrotman: how are they half arsed? upgrading the kernel and things like that before you upgrade udev so that it has a decent chance of working isn't halfarsed |
| 13:34.50 | abrotman | halfassed |
| 13:35.32 | moshii | halfassed then ;) |
| 13:35.46 | MojOrow | is there a max to the number of files in a directory |
| 13:35.56 | MojOrow | or on an ntfs filesyste, |
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| 13:36.07 | abrotman | if you can't upgrade your box .. you've done something wrong |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | (or the hardware just isn't capable) |
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| 13:38.54 | atula | hi. just a really quick question: X.org isn't default for x-window-system for the stable release yet, right? It's still Xfree86, correct? |
| 13:38.55 | atula | thanks |
| 13:39.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:39.13 | moshii | atula: xorg is coming in etch |
| 13:39.13 | MojOrow | anyone? |
| 13:39.20 | atula | when is that coming? |
| 13:39.21 | atula | etch. |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | !tell atula about wwer |
| 13:39.30 | atula | thanks lol |
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| 13:39.38 | abrotman | MojOrow: why are you asking us about NTFS .. ask google |
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| 13:40.28 | moshii | I can imagine some nice breakage when upgrading sarge systems to xorg .. :/ |
| 13:40.34 | amphi | atula: there is an xorg backport for stable |
| 13:40.40 | ootput | atula: there are backports |
| 13:41.02 | amphi | moshii: insalling the sarge backport worked perfectly |
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| 13:41.16 | ootput | likewise |
| 13:41.19 | abrotman | amphi: ignore moshii .. he apparently has difficulty upgrading :) |
| 13:41.24 | MojOrow | people have brains |
| 13:41.26 | amphi | heh |
| 13:41.27 | MojOrow | and experience |
| 13:41.33 | MojOrow | 2 things that googs does nto have |
| 13:41.33 | moshii | amphi: unless you have a chipset that not longer works ;) |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | MojOrow: do you have ANY debian questions ? |
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| 13:41.43 | MojOrow | well not atleast in english form |
| 13:41.53 | MojOrow | theya re broadly debian |
| 13:41.55 | moshii | abrotman: I had no problems upgrading ;) |
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| 13:42.05 | abrotman | MojOrow: they are not |
| 13:42.14 | MojOrow | you just cant see the connections |
| 13:42.16 | MojOrow | ok |
| 13:42.18 | amphi | moshii: you have a chipset supported by xfree86 but not by xorg? |
| 13:42.22 | ootput | what's a goog |
| 13:42.36 | MojOrow | can you explain why i have hda1-20 hdb1-20 and so on |
| 13:42.57 | abrotman | because you partitioned it that way |
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| 13:43.02 | moshii | amphi: there's been no DRI for some intel chipsets in unstable's xorg for a long time |
| 13:43.12 | amphi | moshii: ah |
| 13:43.12 | abrotman | moshii: uhm .. yes there is |
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| 13:43.29 | abrotman | moshii: i believe that was resolved a few weeks ago |
| 13:43.52 | moshii | abrotman: mine is only working again with 7.1 from experimental |
| 13:44.02 | ootput | abrotman: for a long time, not to-date :) |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | moshii: wait .. you mean your system doesn't run correctly? i'm shocked .. amazed .. bewildered |
| 13:44.38 | MojOrow | great |
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| 13:44.46 | MojOrow | not that also cant be answered |
| 13:44.51 | MojOrow | now* |
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| 13:45.42 | Gecko | argh, the dns server gives SERVFAIL now :( |
| 13:47.10 | moshii | abrotman: I believe there was someone here a week or so ago with a chipset that would work with xfree but didn't work at all with xorg |
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| 13:48.15 | abrotman | moshii: was it S3? :) |
| 13:48.29 | Gecko | fireba11: help! |
| 13:48.49 | moshii | abrotman: maybe, I've seen the same with a old cyprus thing too |
| 13:49.02 | abrotman | cyrus ? |
| 13:49.50 | moshii | that could be to one, really horrible compaq laptop |
| 13:49.54 | PDani | how can i render xm and it mods to wav simply on debian? |
| 13:50.13 | PDani | (i would like to render many files) |
| 13:50.48 | fireba11 | Gecko hm .. doesn't sound good :-/ |
| 13:50.56 | Gecko | fireba11: fixed it |
| 13:51.04 | moshii | i think it's currently being used as a monitor stand as neither x or alsa will work on it |
| 13:51.30 | Gecko | fireba11: I think everything actually works now! |
| 13:51.54 | PDani | hm? |
| 13:52.53 | fireba11 | Gecko: the problems you get are usually from upgrading major versions of packages like apache or postgres ... soemtimes the configs just aren't compatible |
| 13:53.32 | Gecko | fireba11: well, the bind9 error was because I had made a typo in a zone file, and it was only apparent when I restarted the daemons |
| 13:53.41 | fireba11 | Gecko: haha |
| 13:54.06 | fireba11 | Gecko: i hate bind being so picky about syntax ... and didn't find a good tool to generate zonefiles yet |
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| 13:54.19 | Gecko | fireba11: god, now I understand why debian has that long a release cycle... |
| 13:54.32 | Gecko | fireba11: we have our own system which works very well |
| 13:54.47 | Gecko | fireba11: but it's very specific for our place |
| 13:55.11 | fireba11 | Gecko: those systems usually are ... and i only got about 20 zoenfiles, so i just edit them manually |
| 13:55.22 | Gecko | I got like one or something :) |
| 13:55.30 | Gecko | plus the reverse zones |
| 13:56.07 | Gecko | three without the reverse zones it must be |
| 13:58.08 | fireba11 | Gecko: i need to check if they all are really valid and reverse is okay sometime soon ... those are pretty old and i may have messed them up back then ;-) |
| 13:59.33 | Gecko | fireba11: better do that. Things break easily |
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| 14:01.46 | ofer0 | fireba11, you can't set-up reverse DNS unless you own >= 256 IP addresses |
| 14:01.54 | hjubal | bbl |
| 14:02.42 | ofer0 | use named-checkconf and named-checkzone. increase the SERIAL by one every time you edit. |
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| 14:07.02 | PumpkinPie | ofer0: i dont think thats right |
| 14:07.47 | PumpkinPie | ofer0: not in the world of classless ip space |
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| 14:11.26 | tim_flatus | I'm wondering how many people are actively working on sound - i.e. real time music applications - in Debian. I'm trying to get some idea of whether it is really properly integrated and what state development is in. Any clues? |
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| 14:13.12 | PumpkinPie | dont you have to find music applications? |
| 14:13.25 | PumpkinPie | debian is an operating system |
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| 14:13.54 | tim_flatus | PumpkinPie, debian contains music applications. |
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| 14:14.18 | moshii | tim_flatus: there is a linux audio group i think.. |
| 14:14.27 | PumpkinPie | it doesn't create the applications |
| 14:14.38 | tim_flatus | PumpkinPie, those applications have debian maintainers |
| 14:14.39 | PumpkinPie | debian packages the software |
| 14:14.47 | ion_bidon | hello, I am trying to mount the second partition of a qemu .raw image and I have no idea what offset I need to tell to mount. You know any program that mounts raw files or how to find the offset ? |
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| 14:15.03 | tim_flatus | moshii, I'm interested in the state of play with debian |
| 14:16.47 | faber3 | hi everybody |
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| 14:17.07 | faber3 | is there a program in debian which can convert SWF files to jpegs or avis ? |
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| 14:17.24 | PumpkinPie | tim_flatus: #alsa |
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| 14:18.02 | PumpkinPie | which is not debian specific by any means |
| 14:18.33 | yassinework | hi everyone |
| 14:19.30 | yassinework | anyone here using a dell optiplex gx240 with debian as a workstation ? |
| 14:19.37 | tim_flatus | PumpkinPie, I'm really after information about whether people are successfully making music with debian systems, or having to do a lot of extra configuration after the install. |
| 14:19.57 | moshii | tim_flatus: I don't think there is one.. but you might be able to find an audio mailing list from the debian site |
| 14:20.37 | tim_flatus | PumpkinPie, and how many people are active in working on making the music stuff work out of the box |
| 14:20.50 | tim_flatus | moshii, I live there. ;) |
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| 14:21.59 | PumpkinPie | join #alsa, probably (for sure) a lot of people in #alsa that do use debian for making music |
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| 14:22.51 | tim_flatus | PumpkinPie, moshii, I was hoping to discover that there were loads of people I didn't already know about. Oh dear. :| |
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| 14:23.26 | moshii | tim_flatus: maybe you could look at the popcon page too to see how many people have installed the software you're interested in :) |
| 14:23.27 | tim_flatus | PumpkinPie, I get your point. :) |
| 14:24.16 | tim_flatus | moshii, good point. That's more the sort of direction I was interested in. |
| 14:24.49 | PumpkinPie | tim_flatus: I cant even find anyone that wants to use hundreds of megabits of free bandwidth in this channel |
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| 14:25.24 | Tallu | PumpkinPie: huh? :P |
| 14:25.29 | PumpkinPie | I doubt you success to find many people making music with debian if they arn't using it for high volume transfer first |
| 14:25.44 | tim_flatus | moshii, I guess checking recent upload information would also provide some clues. |
| 14:26.17 | PumpkinPie | Tallu: you want to use hundreds of megabits of free bandwidth? even 80 is fine.. just not any lower then that |
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| 14:26.41 | Tallu | PumpkinPie: whats the catch? ;) |
| 14:27.00 | PumpkinPie | Tallu: that you use a lot of bandwidth.. theres no other catches |
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| 14:27.12 | moshii | PumpkinPie: shell access? |
| 14:27.22 | Tallu | PumpkinPie: for how long.. and what all is allowed? |
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| 14:27.37 | PumpkinPie | Tallu: the content would have to be stuck on a dual proc 2.66 xeon, 6 gigs ecc ram, 10,000 rpm hard drive |
| 14:28.00 | moshii | PumpkinPie: why not use a benchmarking suite |
| 14:28.31 | PumpkinPie | moshii: how do I test hundreds of megabits? of outbound traffic |
| 14:28.40 | tim_flatus | PumpkinPie, I have a DAW running on a recycled scapheap and a 1M pipe, no problem. |
| 14:29.01 | moshii | PumpkinPie: pay someone like keynote ;) |
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| 14:29.25 | PumpkinPie | outrageous |
| 14:29.31 | PumpkinPie | my ISP isn't even helping me |
| 14:29.46 | Tallu | PumpkinPie: I'll be back in an hour or two, I can help you then most likely |
| 14:29.48 | moshii | PumpkinPie: or run a torrent for "shocking monkey pron" |
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| 14:30.24 | PumpkinPie | torrent is so weird because I never used it and can I do that on linux? |
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| 14:30.35 | moshii | PumpkinPie: yes |
| 14:30.40 | sgeigerbot | !+stable |
| 14:30.41 | dpkg | [stable] the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r2, or ask me about releases. |
| 14:30.45 | sgeigerbot | !+testing |
| 14:30.45 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 14:31.04 | PumpkinPie | today tho my ISP said they are nearly done developing a new system to test my line... but I still have the bandwidth to give to someone |
| 14:31.06 | moshii | PumpkinPie: you could make yourself a server node in the gift p2p network too .. you'll gets lots of traffic |
| 14:31.13 | PumpkinPie | after I haggled my ISP for a month |
| 14:31.17 | sgeigerbot | !+releases |
| 14:31.17 | dpkg | somebody said releases was See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 14:31.24 | cydork | sgeigerbot: use /msg dpkg |
| 14:31.37 | sgeigerbot | cydork: sorry...I just woke up. |
| 14:32.10 | PumpkinPie | well I can respect a nice porn website... rather then a torrent or something |
| 14:32.23 | PumpkinPie | if someone wants to hook me up with one of those |
| 14:32.25 | cydork | !coffee sgeigerbot |
| 14:32.51 | moshii | PumpkinPie: how about this ... download a debian dvd iso and seed it |
| 14:33.08 | PumpkinPie | send it where lol |
| 14:33.11 | moshii | PumpkinPie: you should get a lot of peers sucking your outgoing bandwidth |
| 14:33.14 | PumpkinPie | to your server? |
| 14:33.24 | PumpkinPie | oh on torrent? |
| 14:33.30 | moshii | PumpkinPie: yeah :) |
| 14:33.57 | moshii | PumpkinPie: all the debian, netbsd etc etc torrents usually have 100+ peers |
| 14:34.08 | PumpkinPie | damn gig-e lines... I can only imagine being a 10 GBE client... absolutely no way in hell id ever really know what its capable of |
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| 14:34.34 | PumpkinPie | what do you mean 100+ peers? |
| 14:34.43 | moshii | PumpkinPie: people downloading |
| 14:34.53 | PumpkinPie | I could have 100 people downloading? |
| 14:35.31 | moshii | PumpkinPie: yes, in bittorrent everyone shares with everyone else until you have the whole file and you starting purely uploading |
| 14:35.46 | moshii | s/starting/start |
| 14:36.01 | PumpkinPie | so I get a dvd iso or a cd-iso ? |
| 14:36.08 | PumpkinPie | both I guess |
| 14:36.57 | moshii | PumpkinPie: run a bunch of them at the same time and watch your connection die I suppose |
| 14:37.21 | PumpkinPie | i guess it would be nice to run a los angeles freenode server aye? |
| 14:37.22 | moshii | PumpkinPie: bittorrent will eat all your upstream if you let it |
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| 14:37.41 | cydork | PumpkinPie: just get a torrent for all the cds, all the arcs :) |
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| 14:38.06 | PumpkinPie | moshii: but Id have to configure my connection speed with the torrent software right ? |
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| 14:38.37 | moshii | PumpkinPie: um, with most of the torrent clients they don't cap the upload by default |
| 14:38.40 | PumpkinPie | because then most people that use torrent would saturate their bandwidth |
| 14:39.03 | fireba11 | PumpkinPie: they do :-) |
| 14:39.25 | PumpkinPie | then your internet is all slow |
| 14:39.38 | PumpkinPie | good idea tho |
| 14:39.41 | PumpkinPie | how do I start :( |
| 14:39.48 | PumpkinPie | torrent is complex |
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| 14:40.01 | PumpkinPie | I have no GUI |
| 14:40.18 | cydork | PumpkinPie: you dont need it |
| 14:41.00 | PumpkinPie | apt-get bittorrent ? |
| 14:41.00 | PumpkinPie | whats that |
| 14:41.18 | PumpkinPie | is that all I need? |
| 14:42.39 | cydork | PumpkinPie: yep |
| 14:46.07 | PumpkinPie | Any web server will do, but you must associate the extension .torrent with the mimetype application/x-bittorrent . You should ask your web server's administrator to set it up. <- what a nightmare |
| 14:47.00 | Trewas | eh, you don't need that just to use bittorrent... |
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| 14:47.16 | moshii | PumpkinPie: you just want a bittorrent client |
| 14:47.36 | PumpkinPie | Im trying to let the world download from me |
| 14:47.41 | moshii | PumpkinPie: then get the torrents from the debian site and let them download |
| 14:47.47 | PumpkinPie | so i only need the client? |
| 14:47.53 | moshii | PumpkinPie: yep |
| 14:48.04 | PumpkinPie | ok its installed... what now? |
| 14:48.17 | PumpkinPie | ill download the torrent one sec |
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| 14:48.30 | moshii | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 14:48.52 | moshii | if you have the disc space you could seed them all ;) |
| 14:48.56 | PumpkinPie | im looking at that and I dont get it, what do I download? |
| 14:49.14 | moshii | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-dvd/debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 14:49.25 | cydork | PumpkinPie: go here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-cd/ and download all the files in a dir |
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| 14:49.34 | PumpkinPie | ok then ? |
| 14:49.49 | dutche- | does anybody have a good tuto teachin' how I make a good apt-mirror? |
| 14:49.52 | cydork | PumpkinPie: then btlaunchmany :) |
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| 14:50.18 | ion_bidon | I use debian testing, can I use LVM partitions ? |
| 14:50.57 | dutche- | ion_bidon, sure |
| 14:51.00 | PumpkinPie | cydork: where should the files be? |
| 14:51.17 | cydork | PumpkinPie: in the same dir. |
| 14:51.26 | cydork | !apt-mirror |
| 14:51.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at http://apt-mirror.sf.net |
| 14:51.34 | Trewas | torrents for stable debian are probably not very good for testing upload-speeds, way too few peers and too many seeds |
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| 14:51.40 | PumpkinPie | cydork: what is the 'same dir' ? |
| 14:51.45 | Relisxc | lol |
| 14:51.52 | cydork | dutche-: see what dpkg said ^^ |
| 14:52.14 | ion_bidon | dutche-: LVM partition are mounted with "mount" ? because I try to mount a LVM partition with mount from a qemu .raw image and it does not seems to work |
| 14:52.18 | PumpkinPie | oh I see |
| 14:52.18 | PumpkinPie | ok |
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| 14:52.38 | ion_bidon | I was wondering if the kernel supports LVM in fact |
| 14:52.40 | PumpkinPie | where ever I btlaunchmany it makes the files in that dir public accessible? |
| 14:52.54 | kbrooks | How do i determine if a package is installed? |
| 14:52.57 | dutche- | ion_bidon, have some filesystem in it? |
| 14:53.04 | petemc | ion_bidon: mount /dev/vgname/lvname /mnt works for me |
| 14:53.17 | ion_bidon | dutche-: sure |
| 14:53.25 | ion_bidon | petemc: o, what kernel do you have ? |
| 14:53.28 | dutche- | ion_bidon, what error it gives? |
| 14:53.35 | Relisxc | If I downloaded some icons, what's the folder I should put them in?? |
| 14:53.37 | petemc | 2.6.16-2-xen-686 |
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| 14:53.56 | anarcat | hello |
| 14:54.03 | ion_bidon | dutche-: something like "must specify the filetype.." |
| 14:54.14 | ion_bidon | filesystem type |
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| 14:54.35 | petemc | ion_bidon: what fs did you create on /dev/vgname/lvname ? |
| 14:54.36 | dutche- | ion_bidon, so you dont have a file system there...try mkreiserfs /dev/vgname/lvname |
| 14:54.37 | Loof | Anyone know why there doesn't seem to be an smp version of the 2.6.17 binary package? |
| 14:54.48 | ion_bidon | petemc: thanks, I have the 2.6.15 I suppose it should work too |
| 14:54.51 | Relisxc | Hey all! If I downloaded some icons, what's the folder I should put them in?? |
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| 14:55.01 | anarcat | i see something strange on a 2.6.8 kernel here: |
| 14:55.04 | anarcat | kernel: cs: pcmcia_socket0: cardbus cards are not sup |
| 14:55.05 | anarcat | ported. |
| 14:55.08 | dutche- | Relisxc, /usr/share/icons |
| 14:55.21 | petemc | ion_bidon: should do, tho ive heard theres some problems with older lvm2 and newer kernels, im not sure of the details tho |
| 14:55.27 | Relisxc | dutche-: Ca users write to that folder? |
| 14:55.39 | dutche- | Relisxc, yep |
| 14:55.46 | Relisxc | schweet |
| 14:55.52 | ion_bidon | petemc,dutche- : O you think that I must create the device or something |
| 14:55.53 | anarcat | err... actually, that's on 2.6.15 |
| 14:56.03 | ion_bidon | I will give a try |
| 14:56.17 | anarcat | it's an old ibm 380z laptop i which i slammed a 3com pcmcia card |
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| 14:56.24 | anarcat | the card works on 2.6.8 |
| 14:56.29 | dutche- | ion_bidon, did you have any data in this LV? |
| 14:56.40 | cydork | Relisxc: normal users cant write to that dir. for normal users you can use ~/.icons |
| 14:56.47 | ion_bidon | dutche- sure, the fedora image boots on it |
| 14:57.08 | kbrooks | ion_bidon, -t ext3 |
| 14:57.25 | dutche- | ion_bidon, and you cannot mount it? |
| 14:57.37 | petemc | ion_bidon: lvscan -v lists your partitions? |
| 14:57.37 | dutche- | ion_bidon, or isn't mounted? |
| 14:57.37 | ion_bidon | dutche-: no, I will retry a bit |
| 14:57.46 | PumpkinPie | ok I got 4 torrents on there, 3 cd's and 1 dvd: |
| 14:57.55 | PumpkinPie | Incoming rates: 49029.1 kbits/sec so I guess im downloading them now |
| 14:58.07 | PumpkinPie | slow servers out there |
| 14:58.38 | cydork | PumpkinPie: you should also see uploading |
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| 14:58.51 | dutche- | ion_bidon, which filesystem you putted in this LV? |
| 14:59.01 | ion_bidon | dutche-: I don't know, I will check |
| 14:59.25 | ion_bidon | I thought LVM was a filesystem |
| 14:59.48 | Relisxc | Hey all, im using gnome, is there any way to make it so when every time I click a folder it doesn't open in a new window?? |
| 15:00.12 | moshii | PumpkinPie: you're downloading from other downloaders so 49mb a sec isn't bad :) |
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| 15:00.35 | PumpkinPie | blah |
| 15:00.36 | petemc | Relisxc: im pretty sure you can edit that behaviour in gconf-editor, tho perhaps theres somewhere "easier" to do it |
| 15:00.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:00.41 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:00.48 | PumpkinPie | if this is what the internet can provide thats sad |
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| 15:01.12 | moshii | PumpkinPie: it should speed up as other users get connected to you |
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| 15:01.18 | bab | I can not find the cron log in /va/log |
| 15:01.22 | PumpkinPie | maybe when people download these from me Ill provide better speed for them |
| 15:01.26 | Loof | ? |
| 15:01.27 | petemc | bab: cron logs to syslog |
| 15:01.27 | Zaib | guys does apt-get remove pkgn will remove all the dependencies that came with the pkg when i installed it via apt-get install pkg ?? |
| 15:01.32 | bab | oha |
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| 15:01.46 | petemc | Zaib: no, aptitude will do that, if you installed the app with aptitude.. |
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| 15:01.55 | Relisxc | Ziab: apt-get remove --purge pkg |
| 15:01.58 | Zaib | petemc: thanks |
| 15:02.12 | asg | Zaib: deborphan and debfoster may help if you don't use aptitude |
| 15:02.12 | PumpkinPie | moshii: do I do anything after its done downloading? and this thing normally has to be run in a screen huh? |
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| 15:02.37 | Zaib | Relisxc: purge will search for dependencies or something ? |
| 15:02.51 | kbrooks | PumpkinPie, you *should* (but you dont have to) leave the client open |
| 15:02.52 | petemc | no.. |
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| 15:02.57 | moshii | PumpkinPie: once it's finished downloading it'll just upload to other peers |
| 15:03.12 | Zaib | asg: thanks |
| 15:03.16 | kbrooks | How do i determine if a package is installed? |
| 15:03.27 | petemc | kbrooks: dpkg -l |
| 15:03.50 | clovis | I am looking for a free alternative to qdv.dll, that is to say a free codec that could read DV format. Do you know one? |
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| 15:04.20 | kbrooks | petemc, ok, thanks. i needed an alternative to getting those selections ;) |
| 15:04.28 | zeitgeist_y2k | how do I set up a valid resolv.conf with resolvconf? I have no idea how to use it... |
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| 15:04.46 | asg | zeitgeist_y2k: have you read /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/* ? |
| 15:04.56 | ion_bidon | dutche-: lvscan gives ACTIVE /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 and ACTIVE /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 |
| 15:05.04 | ion_bidon | it does not says the filesystem |
| 15:05.18 | zeitgeist_y2k | asg: yes, but a practical example would be helpfull... i have a static IP, why do I need this anyway? |
| 15:05.21 | kbrooks | ion_bidon, use file -b (?) on it |
| 15:05.35 | cydork | yang: wht does hcitool or hciconfig show? |
| 15:05.38 | ion_bidon | kbrooks: same thing |
| 15:05.44 | petemc | ion_bidon: its not supposed to mention the fs |
| 15:05.54 | bab | does this mean that the cron entry ran sucefully ?? syslog:Aug 30 10:34:52 iama crontab[23832]: (postgres) LIST (postgres) |
| 15:06.05 | kbrooks | ion_bidon, odd |
| 15:06.10 | ion_bidon | petemc: what is supposed to show ? |
| 15:06.17 | petemc | the logical volumes... |
| 15:06.23 | asg | zeitgeist_y2k: why did you install it if you have a static IP then? |
| 15:06.24 | ion_bidon | yes |
| 15:06.36 | yang | cydork: #flood |
| 15:06.36 | trampel | dear kind debian mavins, is anyone else having GPG errors on "apt-get update" as of oh...about 24 hours ago: "GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2" ? thanks! |
| 15:06.37 | zeitgeist_y2k | asg: it was installed for me... don't know why |
| 15:06.41 | dutche- | ion_bidon, what your df command retunrs |
| 15:06.44 | ion_bidon | it's a fedora image, I never handled with fedora before |
| 15:06.49 | zeitgeist_y2k | asg: maybe because postfix depends on it... |
| 15:06.52 | dutche- | s/retunrs/returns |
| 15:07.11 | asg | zeitgeist_y2k: well, attempting to remove it should tell you what it depends on. |
| 15:07.18 | ion_bidon | dutche-: /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 1.5G 928M 455M 68% / |
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| 15:07.58 | dutche- | ion_bidon, and you're trying to mount LogVol01, right? |
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| 15:08.15 | yang | cydork: join there |
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| 15:08.57 | ion_bidon | dutche-: I don't know, from the outside I only see the LVM as a partition, however LogVol01 does not appear in df -h |
| 15:09.08 | petemc | ion_bidon: df only shows mounted partitions |
| 15:09.16 | ion_bidon | petemc: right |
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| 15:09.37 | ion_bidon | or maybe LogVol01 is a swap |
| 15:09.40 | PumpkinPie | on bittorrent traffic while downloading goes from 50000 kbit to 300 kbit? then bounces around from 500 to 7000.. is it just that bittorrent servers are packed and act totally unstable? |
| 15:09.51 | petemc | ion_bidon: your naming system isnt the best.. |
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| 15:10.06 | ion_bidon | petemc: It's not mine, it's fedoras |
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| 15:10.29 | dutche- | ion_bidon, so you're trying to mount a mounted LV |
| 15:10.38 | dutche- | ion_bidon, if you have only 2 |
| 15:10.47 | ion_bidon | dutche-: no, I have told that it's a qemu .raw image |
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| 15:11.20 | ion_bidon | dutche-: so I can execute commands to find out about the LVM inside qemu, but from the outside with fdisk I only see one big LVM |
| 15:11.44 | tarzeau | what's -lrt link with rt ??? what's rt? |
| 15:11.48 | moshii | PumpkinPie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent |
| 15:12.16 | ion_bidon | I think I will reinstall it in qemu and choose other thing than LVM |
| 15:12.38 | ion_bidon | it's possible that I had chosen reiser4 and thus my kernel does not supports it |
| 15:12.38 | tarzeau | nm, found it: libc0.1: /lib/librt.so.1 |
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| 15:12.54 | dutche- | ion_bidon, yes, its right, with fdisk you see the LVM type partition, and to use it, you need to activate it, and then mount your lv's |
| 15:13.22 | ion_bidon | dutche-: any idea how I can activate it ? |
| 15:13.31 | ion_bidon | I would need some lvm utils or something |
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| 15:15.34 | ion_bidon | petemc, dutche- thanks for helping, I think I'll reinstall it without LVM, I have no experience with LVM |
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| 15:16.05 | petemc | ion_bidon: lvm is pretty simple |
| 15:17.08 | ion_bidon | lvm> pvscan says lvm2 (but that's not helping me) |
| 15:17.21 | sphenxes | does anyone has an idea whether GRUB will be able to dual boot (linux and Vista)? |
| 15:17.51 | kspath | vista is crap |
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| 15:18.37 | ion_bidon | petemc: I'm sure it is :) but when you don't know it remains difficult |
| 15:18.54 | petemc | ion_bidon: http://deb.riseup.net/storage/lvm2/ |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | sphenxes: ask #grub |
| 15:19.28 | ion_bidon | petemc: seems like a cool doc, I'll read this |
| 15:19.30 | ion_bidon | thanks |
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| 15:19.33 | petemc | np |
| 15:19.53 | cydork | ion_bidon: check this too /msg dpkg lvm_tutorial |
| 15:20.03 | ion_bidon | cydork: ok thanks |
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| 15:21.36 | pickcoder | where in the ^%&* do I reconfigure the initrd scripts? I've tried everything I can find on google. I even created a new img using mkinitramfs. |
| 15:22.05 | pickcoder | initrd is still trying to setup md0, even though it's not specified anywhere on the root fs |
| 15:22.07 | PumpkinPie | cant I just download the debian iso's via normal means and then make a torrent file? |
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| 15:22.19 | PumpkinPie | torrent is slow compard to deb mirrors |
| 15:22.43 | pickcoder | PumpkinPie: ftp? |
| 15:22.48 | petemc | PumpkinPie: it probably can be, but it also saves debian bandwidth costs |
| 15:22.54 | pickcoder | PumpkinPie: I assume that the ftp mirrors have the resume capability |
| 15:23.21 | anarcat | ouch |
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| 15:23.48 | anarcat | i had an /ignore in this channel (!!) sorry if i didn't answer people :/ |
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| 15:24.39 | anarcat | so people know why my 2.6.15 kernel refuses to recognize this network card? |
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| 15:24.47 | abrotman | i'm sorry .. i'm ignoring you |
| 15:24.48 | anarcat | with "cardbus cards are not supported"? |
| 15:24.48 | ion_bidon | anarcat: what network card ? |
| 15:24.59 | abrotman | anarcat: no pcmcia drirvers? |
| 15:25.41 | anarcat | here is the card from dmesg: 0000:01:00.0: 3Com PCI 3CCFE575CT Tornado CardBus at 0x4000. Vers LK1.1.19 |
| 15:25.50 | anarcat | but that's on 2.6.8 (which recognizes it fine) |
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| 15:26.37 | DustyDingo | !java |
| 15:26.37 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | anarcat: missing pcmcia drivers? |
| 15:26.43 | abrotman | DustyDingo: /msg dpkg java |
| 15:26.51 | anarcat | the card is 3c59x |
| 15:27.03 | anarcat | abrotman: hmm... in the 2.6.15? i don't know honestly... |
| 15:27.06 | abrotman | still needs pcmcia drivers |
| 15:27.07 | anarcat | how can i check? |
| 15:27.30 | anarcat | ... you're right |
| 15:27.39 | anarcat | oh that would be so simply stupid of me :) |
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| 15:27.47 | PumpkinPie | how do I make a new torrent file from a file I already have? |
| 15:27.52 | mortal5 | I need to see the packages I have installed on debian, and then be able to select and remove software I don't need |
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| 15:28.13 | anarcat | mortal5: use something like synaptic or aptitude |
| 15:28.46 | mortal5 | anarcat, yeah i tried aptitude, but it's not installed for some reason |
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| 15:28.54 | DustyDingo | hi, i have problems with installing java |
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| 15:29.01 | DustyDingo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.07 | mortal5 | apt-get isn't getting it for me |
| 15:29.13 | anarcat | mortal5: ouch |
| 15:29.17 | anarcat | how about synaptics? |
| 15:29.20 | mortal5 | I think something is borked with the network |
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| 15:29.23 | mortal5 | on that comp |
| 15:29.27 | DustyDingo | so what is the best way to install java? |
| 15:29.35 | ion_bidon | petemc: in fact, if I look in fstab, I have /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 |
| 15:29.37 | digit | hi all |
| 15:29.38 | SlayerXP | DustyDingo: "don't" |
| 15:29.43 | ion_bidon | and Vol01 swap |
| 15:30.20 | digit | I have a bit of a problem with apt complaining |
| 15:30.23 | DustyDingo | SlayerXP: haha, i need java |
| 15:30.30 | anarcat | boy this machine is slow |
| 15:30.36 | anarcat | 32megs are not enough anymore |
| 15:30.37 | ion_bidon | petemc: wow, in fact if I mount it with -t tmpfs it works, omg! the Vol00 is at the end in fact and Vol01 is at start |
| 15:30.44 | DustyDingo | SlayerXP: "don't" won't help me |
| 15:31.19 | cydork | DustyDingo: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:31.27 | digit | ive had this problem a while but now i need a certain package and apt wont let me have it |
| 15:31.37 | DustyDingo | cydork: that doesn't help me either |
| 15:31.48 | anarcat | abrotman: i'm looking for what? pcmcia-modules or is there a linux-pcmcia package normally? |
| 15:32.39 | cydork | DustyDingo: how are you installing it? with jrewhteve bin? |
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| 15:32.54 | DustyDingo | as us said, i can't install "xlibs" and so no j2re |
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| 15:33.12 | DustyDingo | cydork: blackdown jre with apt? |
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| 15:33.56 | cydork | DustyDingo: and why cant you install xlibs? |
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| 15:35.14 | DustyDingo | cydork: i don't know? |
| 15:35.23 | DustyDingo | it isn't avaible,... |
| 15:35.43 | anarcat | ooooooooh.... this is an old etch |
| 15:35.45 | anarcat | outch |
| 15:35.57 | PumpkinPie | there is something EVIL about this computer as it has broken two new hard drives that come with 5 year warranties |
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| 15:37.19 | cydork | PumpkinPie: give it to me. i have handled some EVIL machines like this :) |
| 15:37.30 | PumpkinPie | fsck.ext3: Input/output error while recovering ext3 journal of /dev/hdb5 |
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| 15:37.45 | anarcat | die hd die |
| 15:38.04 | PumpkinPie | there really is soemthing wrong with this |
| 15:38.14 | PumpkinPie | and its eating my money in hard drives |
| 15:38.15 | cydork | DustyDingo: did you try apt-get install xlibs ?? |
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| 15:39.43 | PumpkinPie | umount /dev/hdb5 umount: /sec: device is busy ? |
| 15:41.33 | anarcat | how can i put my console in unicode? |
| 15:42.06 | DustyDingo | cydork: ... |
| 15:42.17 | PumpkinPie | if I cant umount like so.. will the box be able to reboot? |
| 15:43.03 | cydork | DustyDingo: huh? |
| 15:44.54 | DustyDingo | cydork: you aren't helping me at all with such commands,.. |
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| 15:45.16 | DustyDingo | *comment |
| 15:45.30 | ofer0 | PumpkinPie, classes IP? |
| 15:45.31 | cydork | !qotd199 |
| 15:45.32 | dpkg | from memory, qotd199 is Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 15:45.40 | cydork | DustyDingo: ^^ |
| 15:45.47 | sineer | hello, I have to setup a debian (etch) local mirror for my company... I've seen apt-got but haven't installed it yet. I was wondering if its still the #1 tool to setup a local debian mirror (seeing it hasn't evolved since 2004)... Any suggestions of a tool (or a good www site) to setup local debian pkg mirror? |
| 15:45.58 | ofer0 | PumpkinPie, I don't know what do you mean, but unless you have C class IP range, you can't do anything related to RDNS |
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| 15:46.06 | ofer0 | sineer, |
| 15:46.09 | ofer0 | it is very easy. |
| 15:46.13 | ofer0 | it takes 20 minuets |
| 15:46.15 | ofer0 | you have the time? |
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| 15:46.23 | ofer0 | already did it here, and it is a very good idea |
| 15:47.03 | sineer | ofer0, sure I do |
| 15:47.07 | sineer | sure is :) |
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| 15:47.48 | cydork | sineer: there are some mirror scripts on debian site. and there is some package called as debmirror too |
| 15:47.56 | sineer | I'm going to deploy debian in hundreds of killer devices that I cannot yet disclose... But first I must crush Suse advocates and establish Debian dominance within the biz. |
| 15:48.12 | sineer | cydork, yeah debmirror rings a bell.. I'll look into it :) |
| 15:48.28 | sineer | ofer0, do you have a url that walked you through setting it up? |
| 15:50.55 | pickcoder | has the VT8251 RAID support made it back to etch? |
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| 16:15.24 | yang | I am reading http://klimek.box4.net/ipaq-bluetooth.html about information on how to setup bluetooth but i am missing something /etc/default/bluez-pan ? |
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| 16:17.18 | Loevborg | Is there a howto somewhere that shows me how to keep a server's time correct on a server, using ntp? |
| 16:17.27 | ofer0 | sineer, downloading upgrades for 50 machines @ 12MB/s is really fun. |
| 16:17.31 | Loevborg | My attempts using ntpd failed. |
| 16:17.38 | anarcat | module: cvs rm, folders: ask someonesome repo manager (iirc) |
| 16:18.03 | yang | Loevborg: apt-get install ntpdate ; man ntpdate |
| 16:18.06 | ofer0 | sineer, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 16:18.16 | ofer0 | sineer, after you finish this, I can send you a script I wrote |
| 16:18.48 | yang | Loevborg: to set time by ntpdate just type ; ntpdate de.pool.ntp.org (presuming .de as you live in germany) |
| 16:18.58 | Loevborg | yang, ntpdate is good for servers too? |
| 16:19.05 | ofer0 | sineer, the script automatically imports new pacakges to your APT repository every 12 hours. I also wrote something that updates all the other computers but this is not my property so I can't give it to you :) |
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| 16:19.35 | ofer0 | Loevborg, tzconfig; aptitude install ntpdate; ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org |
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| 16:20.37 | sineer | ofer0, thanks!! I'll checkout this url and I'd be happy to take a lok at your update script as well |
| 16:20.48 | Loevborg | ofer0, but that won't _keep_ it current, will it? |
| 16:21.09 | ofer0 | Loevborg, no, it won't. run it via Cronjob every 12 hours to stay updated. |
| 16:21.23 | ofer0 | sineer, will post it for you in a minuet |
| 16:21.31 | Loevborg | ofer0, okay. so ntpd isn't for that purpose? |
| 16:21.50 | ofer0 | Loevborg, ntpd is for updating other machines but yourself. that's if you want to BE a pool server. |
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| 16:22.33 | sineer | thanks ofer0 ! I'll read the how to and tell you how it went this aft :) |
| 16:22.55 | soundsoldier | i just ran an apt-get upgrade and then rebooted, how can i display which packages were most recently installed? |
| 16:23.02 | ofer0 | sineer, it is very easy. you can do it in 10 minuets. another 10 minutes is for learning how to use my script. |
| 16:23.09 | ofer0 | soundsoldier, check apt log |
| 16:23.18 | Loevborg | Also, note that ntpdate is *not* really intended to be used by servers with good network connectivity. The 'ntp' package, which provides a persistent daemon that does a better job of keeping system time than even a cron'ed invocation of ntpdate, is a better choice for systems with good network connectivity. |
| 16:23.28 | Loevborg | (from ntpdate README), ofer0 |
| 16:23.34 | sineer | ofer0, ok cool :) but i'm starving so it'l have to wait in an hour or two.. |
| 16:23.39 | sineer | thanks :) cya in a few.. |
| 16:23.50 | ofer0 | sineer, okay |
| 16:24.33 | ofer0 | Loevborg, yeah, ntp is a better solution if you want to measure times < 2 seconds |
| 16:24.49 | ofer0 | for me, cronjob ntpdate is a good option |
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| 16:26.15 | cydork | yang: that is replaced by /etc/default/bluetooth |
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| 16:27.05 | soundsoldier | ofer0: where is that located? |
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| 16:31.55 | ofer0 | sineer, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Qa6szs24.html |
| 16:32.06 | ofer0 | sineer, read the script before you use it, there is some documentation and configuration |
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| 16:35.32 | RawStupid | I have a problem. I installed flashplugin-nonfree, and for some reason it's not working in firefox.. |
| 16:35.55 | RawStupid | Probably because I installed the plugin before installing firefox |
| 16:35.55 | ofer0 | RawStupid, when using Firefox, you have a piece of a puzzle when you can't see Flash. click it. |
| 16:36.02 | RawStupid | ah |
| 16:36.18 | lontra | if i download a tarball screensaver where do i put it? i'm in kde |
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| 16:36.53 | RawStupid | ah I didn't know about that at all! |
| 16:36.57 | RawStupid | thanks |
| 16:37.05 | ofer0 | RawStupid, maybe that's why you got your name :) |
| 16:37.13 | RawStupid | probably |
| 16:37.15 | ofer0 | RawStupid, nah, I'm just joking :) |
| 16:37.21 | Gr3ml1n | hi |
| 16:37.40 | Gr3ml1n | is there a channel for debian translators? |
| 16:37.51 | ofer0 | Gr3ml1n, don't know about one |
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| 16:38.56 | bretzel | uh .. where is the "convert" program ???? |
| 16:39.28 | bretzel | need to convert ( rescale ) jpeg image to smaller one ... |
| 16:39.35 | ofer0 | bretzel, use Gimp |
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| 16:39.39 | netcrash | Hello, in the debian version of horde/imp , where should I activate the "options" menu ? |
| 16:39.41 | LinuxExplorer | Hi, I'm hoping I can get some help with a problem installing Debian3.1 (sarge). I've managed to install it before, but now trying to reinstall it after having (foolishly) experimented with Ubuntu, I am getting nowhere fast! The system installs ok, but the resolution is too low. I had the same problem when I initially installed Debian, but I cannot for the life of me remember what I did to resolve the problem! Any idea |
| 16:40.03 | bretzel | ofer0: no! I need the command-line tool called "convert" ! |
| 16:40.07 | Gr3ml1n | is there a debian guide who used gentoo before? |
| 16:40.12 | ofer0 | LinuxExplorer, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:40.15 | Gr3ml1n | + for people |
| 16:40.16 | Gr3ml1n | -.- |
| 16:40.22 | ofer0 | Gr3ml1n, debian guide? |
| 16:42.11 | kspath | !guide |
| 16:42.11 | dpkg | i heard guide is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
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| 16:44.17 | shinmaz | hi there |
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| 16:44.40 | shinmaz | do you know if there is any IRC channel for FAI program ? (Fully Automatic Installation) ... |
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| 16:45.53 | seb- | SOS! Help! ...how create /dev/input/mice yourself or get mouse working other way if havng udev problems?!? |
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| 16:47.03 | Gr3ml1n | seb-: vi /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 16:47.32 | seb- | Gr3ml1n: it ain't there...i had to downgrade udev version for various reasons |
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| 16:55.46 | bab | are there any clustering filesystems that actully work? |
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| 16:57.11 | shinmaz | <bab> ocfs2 ? |
| 16:57.23 | shinmaz | <bab> NFS ? DRDB ? |
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| 16:58.23 | marco__ | hello |
| 16:58.33 | marco__ | Can the netinst image be used to install sid? |
| 16:58.37 | marco__ | The FAQ says no |
| 16:58.41 | marco__ | but I've done it before easily |
| 16:58.48 | marco__ | has it changed? |
| 16:59.53 | abrotman | maybe in expert mode |
| 16:59.58 | abrotman | you try it .. let us know |
| 17:00.05 | bab | DRDB is not rally a clustered file system just replication |
| 17:00.17 | bab | nfs is just file sharing |
| 17:00.23 | tuvwx | d-i beta3 is fantastic |
| 17:00.23 | abrotman | bab: GFS ? |
| 17:00.31 | abrotman | AFS |
| 17:00.32 | abrotman | DFS |
| 17:00.41 | abrotman | !gfs |
| 17:00.41 | dpkg | somebody said gfs was The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.globalfilesystem.org/, or http://www.redhat.com/en_us/USA/home/solutions/gfs/ |
| 17:00.41 | bab | abrotman, have you ever used any of them? |
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| 17:00.50 | abrotman | bab: uhm .. not as an admin no |
| 17:01.08 | bab | abrotman, in what way then |
| 17:01.21 | abrotman | as a user .. a long time ago .. we used DFS with AIX |
| 17:01.44 | abrotman | lovely .. those URLs are all broken! |
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| 17:03.04 | abrotman | !gfs =~ s#http://www.redhat.com/en_us/USA/home/solutions/gfs#http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/# |
| 17:03.05 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 17:03.23 | r000t | could someone help me with this message " GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2" how do i fix it |
| 17:03.36 | blackelf | hello |
| 17:03.37 | r000t | i get it running apt-get update |
| 17:03.55 | sepski | r000t, it's bug, that will be fixed |
| 17:04.16 | blackelf | sepski: isnt that the standard "get 2006 gpg keys" problem? |
| 17:04.19 | blackelf | !gpg keys |
| 17:04.24 | blackelf | !2006 keys |
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| 17:04.36 | r000t | sep: so nothing to do then |
| 17:04.48 | sepski | blackelf, no it's the script borked while writing release.gpg today problem |
| 17:05.03 | r000t | sepski: no way to get around the problem then |
| 17:05.33 | sepski | joey is working on it. |
| 17:05.42 | blackelf | r000t: perhaps --download-only and then dpkg -i ? just guessing |
| 17:05.46 | sepski | well atleast he's informed |
| 17:05.55 | abrotman | !tell bab about gfs |
| 17:06.01 | abrotman | bab: i just fixed some of the URLs |
| 17:06.09 | r000t | sepski: so just need to wait this one out then i guess |
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| 17:06.58 | sepski | perhaps with --allow-unauthenticated |
| 17:07.09 | bab | abrotman, so does GFS work on any other flavors? |
| 17:07.19 | abrotman | other flavors .. fo what ? |
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| 17:07.41 | abrotman | !tell Root_ about root |
| 17:07.56 | abrotman | bab: you mean .. does it work on debian? it should |
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| 17:08.22 | abrotman | bab: looks pretty simple to build |
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| 17:09.00 | abrotman | bab: http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/gfs-tools |
| 17:09.10 | abrotman | bab: that's for etch .. but it does appear to work |
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| 17:09.28 | bab | yah unstable |
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| 17:10.26 | abrotman | yes .. it's there for sid too |
| 17:10.31 | abrotman | but honstly .. i've never used it |
| 17:10.44 | abrotman | bab: the reason that it's hosted at RHs site is that RH bought sistina a few years ago |
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| 17:11.49 | Alebreez | Hi all |
| 17:12.11 | Alebreez | is there anybody help me out |
| 17:12.13 | blackelf | hi Alebreez |
| 17:12.17 | roxy_ | using eclipse for a week now the keyboard stop working. It happens with konqueror from time to time. I have to restart the application to make it work properly. Where can that come from ? |
| 17:12.25 | Alebreez | I can't change my screen resolution |
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| 17:12.54 | Alebreez | I tried many time but it logs me off then it backs again to what it was |
| 17:13.06 | Alebreez | any help please |
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| 17:13.32 | blackelf | Alebreez: ask the question |
| 17:13.35 | outlaw84 | there is some tool that one could run to "get help" with generating a new xorg.conf, I forgot what it was called |
| 17:13.47 | Alebreez | I asked |
| 17:13.53 | cydork | outlaw84: do you mean dexconf? |
| 17:14.02 | miro | any one can recomend on any good ftp server that i can install ? |
| 17:14.19 | outlaw84 | cydork: no |
| 17:14.20 | cydork | miro: vsftpd i installed it yesterday and loving it |
| 17:14.28 | soundsoldier | miro: have you used the openssh sftp subsystem? |
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| 17:14.45 | soundsoldier | miro: much more secure and works with many ftp/sftp clients such as filezilla |
| 17:14.47 | cydork | outlaw84: then /msg dpkg drxx |
| 17:14.50 | outlaw84 | cydork: this tool would do some detecting |
| 17:14.52 | Alebreez | blackelf: I can't change my screen resolution I tried many time but it logs me off then it backs again to what it was |
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| 17:14.56 | miro | cydork : im a beginner how hard is it to install ? |
| 17:14.57 | abrotman | Alebreez: you're probably crashing X .. stop doing that :) |
| 17:15.41 | cydork | miro: not much. it has a good man file :) |
| 17:15.58 | blackelf | Alebreez: in KDE I use krandrtray or what was its name |
| 17:16.06 | miro | soundsoldier: i don't know |
| 17:16.16 | soundsoldier | miro: have you used ssh? |
| 17:16.18 | miro | soundsoldier : can you explain ? |
| 17:16.31 | Alebreez | blackelf: I'm using GNOME |
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| 17:17.44 | IndyBC | Hello. Is there any plugin/extension/addon for XMMS in order for it to support unicode? |
| 17:17.45 | newbcoder | what is the debia way to build a kernel from kernel.org sources? |
| 17:17.58 | blackelf | Alebreez: afair there was some setting like screen resolution in the upper menu |
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| 17:18.10 | cydork | newbcoder: /msg dpkg kernel package |
| 17:18.27 | newbcoder | no response |
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| 17:18.34 | PepperBob | I L O V E D E B I A N |
| 17:18.40 | cydork | !kernel package |
| 17:18.40 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 17:18.45 | cydork | newbcoder: ^^ |
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| 17:19.14 | cydork | PepperBob: me too. i married it couple of years back :) |
| 17:19.22 | newbcoder | cydork: thanks |
| 17:19.26 | navaladi | !kernel package |
| 17:19.27 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 17:19.43 | cydork | navaladi: you can use /msg dkg |
| 17:19.48 | navaladi | hi all,need a command line based internet radio player. |
| 17:19.52 | gsnedders_ | is there anyway to get a keymap for the Apple Pro Keyboard? |
| 17:19.53 | cydork | s/dkg/dpkg/ |
| 17:19.58 | PepperBob | cydork: normally i'm into gentoo. but debian as server os is perfect. just installed in on a crappy HP DL320 and ,... IT WORKS!! |
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| 17:20.10 | navaladi | cydork:oh thanks |
| 17:20.14 | cydork | !gentoosmite PepperBob |
| 17:20.36 | PepperBob | cydork: lol! not with a fat dual core.... ;) |
| 17:21.05 | PepperBob | cydork: it will just take some minutes but wont run faster anyway... |
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| 17:21.56 | navaladi | we do have realplayer for streaming a online live songs..what abt command line player.? |
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| 17:23.21 | cydork | navaladi: i am sure mplayer can do that |
| 17:23.25 | pzn | there was a iso image of sarge with 2.6 kernel. anyone knows which keyword to ask for dpkg bot to show me the url? |
| 17:23.44 | asg | pzn: the standard sarge iso comes with a 2.6.8 kernel. |
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| 17:24.03 | navaladi | cydork:mplayer fails now for me. |
| 17:24.14 | pzn | asg... sorry, latest 2.6 kernel, need to install in a notebook that does not boot with 2.6.8 |
| 17:24.18 | blackelf | is there something like stable testing? like a way to install testing packs BUT only versions older then 2 week and with no bug reports |
| 17:24.44 | navaladi | cydork:they are internet shoutcast server. |
| 17:24.45 | pzn | asg: I remember asking for dpkg one month ago, then I downloaded the iso with 2.6.15... need to download it again |
| 17:24.50 | blackelf | because I need some new software (like in testing) but I can not live with bugs |
| 17:24.57 | cydork | pzn: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 17:27.32 | navaladi | cydork:shoutcast server?? |
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| 17:29.06 | cydork | navaladi: i think it can work with them too. but i never tried it |
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| 17:32.05 | lhds | i need to boot a usb stick on my laptop that does not support usb autoboot. is there a cdrom that loads and gives access to usb? |
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| 17:32.58 | navaladi | cydork:thanks dude..now i solved the problem..the one i am trying is down for that moment..now everything is ok..thanks |
| 17:33.40 | pzn | cydork, thanks, it worked. I got the url I needed. |
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| 17:35.32 | pzn | lhds, I think the site http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ has some tool for this |
| 17:35.40 | pzn | lhds, but I'm not sure |
| 17:35.46 | cydork | nathakr: pzn: np :) |
| 17:36.06 | S4nD3r | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libtunepimp2 0.3.0-3sarge2 |
| 17:36.06 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.07 | S4nD3r | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libtunepimp-bin 0.3.0-3sarge2 |
| 17:36.07 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.07 | S4nD3r | Falha ao baixar http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/libt/libtunepimp/libtunepimp2_0.3.0-3sarge2_i386.deb 403 Forbidden [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
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| 17:36.13 | soundsoldier | lhds: you could look for smart boot manager, i used to use that to seleect between floppy/hd/cdrom a long time ago |
| 17:36.22 | soundsoldier | lhds: perhaps it supports usb these days |
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| 17:37.37 | myren | bad news: 320 mb of dist-upgrade |
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| 17:37.47 | myren | good news: 1MB/s connection speed |
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| 17:39.53 | S4nD3r | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libtunepimp-bin 0.3.0-3sarge2 |
| 17:39.53 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.59 | S4nD3r | I have a problem, |
| 17:40.01 | S4nD3r | how solve it ?? |
| 17:40.08 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.com/779902 |
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| 17:44.46 | cusco | sanmarcos: use a mirror other than debian.org |
| 17:45.03 | sanmarcos | what you say?! |
| 17:45.09 | cusco | sanmarcos: sorry! |
| 17:45.12 | cusco | that was for S4nD3r |
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| 17:45.25 | sanmarcos | ... right, like I believe that |
| 17:45.41 | cusco | -_- |
| 17:45.57 | S4nD3r | cusco, hum.... which for example |
| 17:46.35 | cusco | S4nD3r: like http://debian.org/mirrors |
| 17:46.59 | cusco | http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 17:47.26 | S4nD3r | Cool.. I will put this in my source |
| 17:47.45 | cusco | not the link I gave you |
| 17:47.53 | cusco | look on that page for a suitable mirror for you! |
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| 17:48.30 | IndyBC | Where can I find a systray plugin for Beep Music Player? |
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| 17:49.31 | cusco | IndyBC: thats bmp-docklet isn't it? |
| 17:49.41 | cusco | check http://bmp.beep-media-player.org/index.php/Plugin_list |
| 17:49.43 | S4nD3r | ok, I chose from brazil |
| 17:50.01 | IndyBC | cusco: nice, thx :-) |
| 17:50.04 | cusco | oki |
| 17:50.07 | cusco | np :D |
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| 17:50.53 | Alebreez | blackelf: My problem is I can't change it from that menu !!!!! |
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| 17:51.36 | Alebreez | it seems to be the configuration. However, I tried X -configure to reconfgure it but still not working |
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| 17:52.39 | Alebreez | I may ask is there any command to change the resolution manually |
| 17:52.42 | Alebreez | ???????? |
| 17:53.16 | asg | S4nD3r: there are no mirrors for security.debian.org (though it does use round-robin lb to point to 4 or so machines.) Just keep trying. |
| 17:53.46 | sepski | Alebreez, you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg|xfree86] ? |
| 17:54.38 | S4nD3r | May I put this mirror cut out ? |
| 17:55.09 | cusco | Alebreez: you can reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:55.14 | cusco | or xserver-xfree |
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| 17:55.18 | Alebreez | sepski: I had a problem to change the screen resolution from GNOME I tried to reconfigure X by using this command X -configure |
| 17:55.20 | asg | S4nD3r: no, just keep typing 'apt-get update' or whatever you were doing until it works. If you find a 'mirror' other than those returned by 'dig security.debian.org', it isn't official and should not be trusted. |
| 17:55.23 | blackelf | Alebreez: I would try to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, by probably the other ideas are better |
| 17:55.26 | Alebreez | But the problem still there |
| 17:55.35 | cusco | Alebreez: dpkg --reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 17:56.47 | S4nD3r | May I install glibc 2.3 in sarge ? |
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| 17:57.14 | Alebreez | cusco: unknown option --reconfigure !!!!! |
| 17:57.39 | asg | S4nD3r: it's already 2.3.2 |
| 17:57.55 | S4nD3r | /etc/broffice.org-2.0/program/soffice.bin: /lib/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.3' not found (required by /etc/broffice.org-2.0/program/libuno_sal.so.3) |
| 17:57.58 | S4nD3r | I have this problem |
| 17:57.58 | Alebreez | I don't know how to change it manually which part I have to cahnge |
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| 17:58.42 | cusco | Alebreez: sorry |
| 17:58.55 | cusco | that was dpkg-reconfigure -phig xserver-xorg |
| 17:59.14 | asg | S4nD3r: why not just apt-get install openoffice.org? |
| 17:59.31 | sepski | Alebreez, gnome's resolution picker only selects among the ones you config in dpkg-reconfigure afaik |
| 17:59.40 | S4nD3r | because Id like to use openoffice.org 2 |
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| 17:59.47 | Gr3ml1n | http://88.191.11.86:8040 <-- omg plz some music expert tell me which song is getting remixed there!!! |
| 18:00.34 | Gr3ml1n | no virus |
| 18:00.34 | Gr3ml1n | :X |
| 18:00.34 | sepski | cusco, -phig = -p high ? |
| 18:00.34 | Gr3ml1n | open with vlc/amarok/winamp |
| 18:00.35 | asg | S4nD3r: then look for a backport (/msg dpkg backports) or wait for December |
| 18:00.35 | cusco | the same innit? |
| 18:00.35 | cydork | S4nD3r: did you try bacports? |
| 18:00.35 | sepski | didnt know hig was supported. |
| 18:00.35 | cusco | sepski: lol right |
| 18:00.35 | cusco | sorry I didn0't notice |
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| 18:00.46 | S4nD3r | Yes, I tried |
| 18:00.55 | cusco | Alebreez: once again that is: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 18:01.35 | asg | S4nD3r: first hit on google (http://openoffice.debian.net/) ; at least try next time |
| 18:02.09 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 18:02.45 | S4nD3r | how check my debian version ? |
| 18:02.51 | S4nD3r | uname -a ? |
| 18:02.56 | tp76 | S4nD3r: cat /etc/debian_versiln |
| 18:02.57 | dbe | S4nD3r, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:02.59 | tp76 | er, version |
| 18:03.06 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.07 | asg | /etc/debian_version |
| 18:03.07 | dbe | S4nD3r, or /proc/version |
| 18:03.07 | S4nD3r | Yea... |
| 18:03.12 | S4nD3r | Im runnig 3.1 |
| 18:03.14 | S4nD3r | this is ?? |
| 18:03.17 | Alebreez | cusco: It worked I'll try changing the resolution right now............ |
| 18:03.29 | S4nD3r | Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 |
| 18:03.44 | cusco | dudes |
| 18:03.46 | cusco | in testing |
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| 18:03.55 | cusco | anyone knows about that gnome menu bug |
| 18:04.01 | asg | cusco: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:04.02 | cusco | that it keeps sucking your cpu? |
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| 18:04.53 | Alebreez | Hello again |
| 18:05.33 | Alebreez | For those who nows my proble, I'm still facing it even after log off and log in |
| 18:05.50 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to solve this problem |
| 18:05.53 | S4nD3r | I m lost |
| 18:06.26 | sepski | Alebreez, did you restart x? |
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| 18:06.49 | Alebreez | No, ........... |
| 18:07.05 | sepski | Alebreez, well.. you need to restart X before the config file is reloaded |
| 18:07.38 | Alebreez | sepski: you mean restart |
| 18:07.43 | sepski | Alebreez, no |
| 18:07.46 | sepski | only X |
| 18:07.54 | Alebreez | How ???? |
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| 18:08.00 | nanday | #Ubuntu |
| 18:08.03 | Alebreez | I'm sorry I'm lost |
| 18:08.09 | sepski | either, restart you login manager, or press ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 18:08.22 | sepski | if you use gdm you can use /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:08.23 | Alebreez | OK I'll try |
| 18:08.43 | sepski | replace gdm with whatever you use kde,xdm,sdm,ldm,or whatsnot |
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| 18:09.18 | mindbob | Hey guys, inm installing debian on a two sata disks, i turned off raid in the bios, and am now at the partitioning stage i click software raid, then raid 1 then create MD device, but then it errors out as there are already partitions on the disk .. how can i get rid of these partitions and configure the software raid? |
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| 18:11.08 | S4nD3r | My libc6 is installed, but when I try to run a software, I get this error... /etc/broffice.org-2.0/program/javaldx: /lib/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.3' not found (required by /etc/broffice.org-2.0/program/libuno_sal.so.3) |
| 18:11.10 | S4nD3r | What to do ??? |
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| 18:12.04 | jetx` | !gateway |
| 18:12.04 | dpkg | well, gateway is The computer or device onto which the first hop needs to go to get out of your network. As you know a TCP/IP route uses many hops to get from here to there. or the name of a computer company that is making a new amiga OS that nobody knows anything about. |
| 18:12.09 | jariep1_ | how do I install latest kernel using apt, without compiling? |
| 18:12.15 | asg | S4nD3r: wait until December, when etch is released; upgrade to etch now (warning, it will probably eat your cat given your level of knowledge), use vi(1) |
| 18:12.18 | jetx` | how do you add a gateway |
| 18:12.26 | sepski | that factoid myst be seriously old |
| 18:12.29 | asg | jetx`: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:12.51 | jetx` | route add ? gw gatewayip |
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| 18:14.11 | sepski | jariep1_, install kernel-image-2.[4|6]-$arch replace kernel with linux if you use postsarge |
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| 18:15.16 | jariep1_ | i am using debian stable... ok |
| 18:15.16 | sepski | jariep1_, then it's kernel-image |
| 18:15.16 | jariep1_ | sarge |
| 18:15.16 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 18:15.16 | Alebreez | sepski: Nothing changed I tried again after restart to change the resolution from 1280 x 1024 to 1024 x 768 |
| 18:15.17 | jariep1_ | thank you sepski |
| 18:15.23 | Alebreez | But nothing happened |
| 18:15.40 | sepski | Alebreez, and you selected both those resolutions in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:15.51 | Nwallins | Hi, I am trying to diagnose a problem with a server that listens on port 3002. `nmap localhost | grep 3002` yields nothing. `netstat -al | grep 3002` shows: tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:3002 *:* LISTEN something is funny, no? |
| 18:16.05 | Alebreez | yes I did |
| 18:16.12 | jetx` | then i better rephrase |
| 18:16.17 | Alebreez | and it is there in xorg.conf file |
| 18:16.20 | asg | Nwallins: nmap doesn't look at all ports by default |
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| 18:16.31 | asg | Nwallins: try nmap -p1-65535 <foo> |
| 18:16.31 | sepski | Alebreez, try pressing ctrl+alt+[+ on numeric keyboard] |
| 18:16.41 | Nwallins | asg: 3001 is on the list (a different server) |
| 18:16.45 | S4nD3r | I will upgrade to etch |
| 18:16.52 | S4nD3r | apt-get -s dist-upgrade lol !!! |
| 18:16.57 | S4nD3r | Im almost there |
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| 18:17.04 | sepski | Nwallins, netstat -plont shows ? |
| 18:17.07 | mrwoody | Hi *. Does anyone know how to copy a dvd.iso to a new partition in a hd? |
| 18:17.18 | jetx` | how the hell do you add a gateway to a dhcp configured eth0 that got fuxored by the debian-installer, it doesn't work after a reboot. |
| 18:17.21 | Alebreez | sepski: this is for what |
| 18:17.30 | mindbob | anyone? |
| 18:17.32 | jetx` | man 5 interfaces talks of static |
| 18:17.32 | asg | Nwallins: 3001 just might be. I don't remember what is scanned by default. I know it doesn't scan all ports though. |
| 18:17.33 | Nwallins | sepski: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3002 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 464/ruby off (0.00/0/0) |
| 18:17.34 | sepski | Alebreez, that's now _i_ change resolution |
| 18:17.58 | Nwallins | asg: i don't think so. 3000 used to show up when the server was listening |
| 18:17.59 | asg | Nwallins: does 'nmap -p3002 localhost' produce results? |
| 18:18.02 | Alebreez | sepski: I'm sorry you lost me |
| 18:18.16 | gutano | does anyone know of a serial terminal program that can properly display hex communication? |
| 18:18.20 | sepski | Alebreez, try it and see if it does anything |
| 18:18.21 | Nwallins | asg, it does |
| 18:18.36 | Alebreez | Nothing it clears this screen ONLY |
| 18:18.39 | Alebreez | :) |
| 18:18.43 | shingouz | mrwoody: doesn't cp do the trick? |
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| 18:18.51 | Nwallins | asg: 3002/tcp open unknown |
| 18:19.18 | mrwoody | shingouz: the point is that I want to create a new partition that is exactly like the dvd |
| 18:19.22 | sepski | Nwallins, so it's the process called ruby. with pid 464 |
| 18:19.27 | mrwoody | shingouz: how would cp do that? |
| 18:19.39 | Nwallins | asg: ok, I see i used to run it on 3000 (which is scanned, i guess) and changed it to 3002 for testing |
| 18:19.52 | shingouz | mrwoody: mount the iso on loop, then copy the stuff over |
| 18:19.53 | asg | Nwallins: check /usr/share/nmap/nmap-service-probes to see which ports are scanned by default. |
| 18:20.33 | mindbob | anyone? |
| 18:20.34 | mindbob | Hey guys, inm installing debian on a two sata disks, i turned off raid in the bios, and am now at the partitioning stage i click software raid, then raid 1 then create MD device, but then it errors out as there are already partitions on the disk .. how can i get rid of these partitions and configure the software raid? |
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| 18:21.00 | sepski | Alebreez, then i dont know. |
| 18:21.08 | mrwoody | shingouz: how to copy? I mean shall I just create the partition by hand? how to make sure that it is exactly the size that I want |
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| 18:21.34 | Alebreez | sepski: I appreciate your effort |
| 18:21.44 | mrwoody | shingouz: also mount -loop gives me only a file readme-> This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification. |
| 18:21.52 | mrwoody | shingouz: and yes I have UDF support |
| 18:21.54 | sepski | mindbob, the correct answer is read the install guide, or delete the partitions you have before trying to make new ones. (DATA LOSS) |
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| 18:22.35 | shingouz | mrwoody: you want to copy all the files off the iso to a new partition and make the partition exactly the same size as the iso? don't bother, just make a new partition, format it to whatever you like. then mount the iso as loop and copy the stuff over |
| 18:22.47 | sepski | mrwoody, unmount it, make the mount node using losetup, and mount it using udf |
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| 18:23.11 | sepski | mrwoody, or try mounting with -t udf and -o loop |
| 18:23.14 | mrwoody | sepski: how to make the mount node using losetup? |
| 18:23.26 | sepski | mrwoody, try the last method first it's easier if it works |
| 18:23.26 | mindbob | sepski, there is no data on there, how can I delete the partitions i have no option to? |
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| 18:23.42 | sepski | mindbob, dont you see any partitions listed at all ? |
| 18:23.42 | mindbob | nm |
| 18:23.50 | rockstar_ | mrwoody, Perhaps it's already been suggested, but how 'bout dd if=foo.bar.iso of=/dev/hda9 |
| 18:23.50 | shingouz | mindbob: also if you already have hardware raid, why the hell do you want to use software raid? software raid always takes up cpu cycles unlike the hardware raid |
| 18:23.51 | mrwoody | sepski: that worked thanks |
| 18:23.52 | mindbob | i see them listed just tabbed onto them :) |
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| 18:24.18 | sepski | rockstar_, a iso FS on a harddrive. that sounds very painful :) |
| 18:24.26 | mrwoody | rockstar_: does /dev/hda9 need to exist? |
| 18:24.43 | mindbob | shingouz, I dont have a hardware raid (no raid card) :| |
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| 18:25.04 | dm_ | alguna diferencia de exim entre sarge y etch ya no puedo enviar correos en mi red interna antes configuraba y ya era todo |
| 18:25.06 | mindbob | sepski, ok now it says "NO unsued partitions of the type linux raid autodetect, are available" what should i do? |
| 18:25.11 | mrwoody | sepski: shingouz rockstar_: ok let me try to just copy and see what it happends |
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| 18:25.37 | shingouz | mindbob: according to this you have: " inm installing debian on a two sata disks, i turned off raid in the bios" |
| 18:25.42 | sepski | mindbob, make a partition and select it to be a software raid disk . then when you have 2 of those you can MD them together |
| 18:25.47 | mindbob | LOL |
| 18:25.56 | mindbob | shingouz, raid in the bios does NOT mean hardware raid. |
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| 18:26.11 | shingouz | mindbob: you sure? what is it then? |
| 18:26.12 | mindbob | sepski, so i make one on each disk? |
| 18:26.16 | mindbob | shingouz, software.. |
| 18:26.34 | mindbob | hardware raid is built into the damn machine, like poweredge 2850's not some configuration thing in the bios. |
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| 18:26.48 | mindbob | well you can access hardware raid from the bios, just this is not hardware raid.. |
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| 18:26.49 | sepski | shingouz, raid in bios is software raid to, but linux software raid is better,much more stable and easier to recover then then *whatever* chipset is on the motherboard |
| 18:27.02 | sepski | mindbob, exactly |
| 18:27.14 | ezu | if I wanted to upgrade from sarge to etch where could I find some information on going through that process? |
| 18:27.19 | sepski | ofcouser it depends on the raidchip but often is |
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| 18:27.31 | shingouz | heh... ok... i am not used to all this newfangled technology, i still use scsi hardware raid on my 'desktops' :p |
| 18:27.33 | sepski | ezu, i'd read in the devel version of the release notes |
| 18:27.46 | mindbob | sepski, hrm, these two disks are 300gb what size should i make the linux auto partition on each? |
| 18:28.14 | sepski | mindbob, the size you want your raid1 partition to be |
| 18:28.47 | mindbob | sepski, this doesnt make sense, i ahve two disks, so i create two 300gb partitions of linux autodetect then md them together? |
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| 18:28.54 | Nwallins | sepski, asg: thanks for the help. next problem is, the server running on port 3000 is now only accessible from localhost. I did an apt-get upgrade a while back and I think a new firewall config was written or something. where do I look for blocked ports? |
| 18:28.58 | sepski | mindbob, and you make 1 partition on each drive for each raid1 partition you want so hda1+hdb1 = md0 hda2 + hdb2 = md1 etc etc |
| 18:29.20 | mindbob | ok now im confused :( |
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| 18:29.31 | sepski | Nwallins, your netstat shouws it only listen to 127.0.0.1 thats not firewall, thats ruby config |
| 18:29.39 | Nwallins | ah, ok |
| 18:29.46 | Nwallins | duh, thanks |
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| 18:30.11 | mindbob | sepski, Can you adivse me what size to make the two autodetectable linux raid partitions on each disk? and also what about swap? |
| 18:30.48 | sepski | mindbob, how many partitions do you intend to have |
| 18:30.51 | Qiang | hello, anyone knows why the /home owned by root.staff is sgid ? i have looked at few stable/unstable machines and it is the same setting |
| 18:30.55 | mindbob | just / and swap |
| 18:31.07 | Tallu | Hmm. |
| 18:31.21 | sepski | mindbob, then i would want 2 partitions on each drive. 1 for the / FS and 1 for swap |
| 18:31.23 | Tallu | running sarge. got this error while doing apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2 |
| 18:31.35 | sepski | set swap as 2x RAM or whatever you belive in, the the other gets the rest |
| 18:31.36 | Tallu | and i keep getting it |
| 18:31.39 | abrotman | sarge doesn't have apt-secure |
| 18:31.57 | mindbob | sepski, ok well u auto partitioned each disk, which created a / and swap on each, its now writing them.. |
| 18:31.58 | abrotman | Tallu: apparently it's a known thing .. ignore .. carry on |
| 18:32.03 | sepski | when you do that for bothe drives you make raid devices md0 from the 2 large and md1 for the 2 small |
| 18:32.15 | Tallu | abrotman: hehe ok, if you say so. :) |
| 18:32.16 | mindbob | ok |
| 18:32.25 | mindbob | so md1 will be swap and md0 will be / |
| 18:32.27 | sepski | then you say md0 = / and md1 = swap |
| 18:32.30 | sepski | exactly |
| 18:32.30 | mindbob | :) |
| 18:32.34 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.37 | mindbob | ok fingers crossed this works:) |
| 18:32.48 | mindbob | first time i've setup raid in linux. |
| 18:33.06 | pickcoder | mindbob: good luck.. |
| 18:33.09 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:33.12 | mindbob | lol |
| 18:33.13 | mindbob | thanks |
| 18:33.28 | mindbob | I do it everyday in work for win 2k3 machines, servers etc.. |
| 18:33.30 | mindbob | just never linux. |
| 18:33.43 | pickcoder | mindbob: j/k if you have a stable drive controller, then soft RAID works rather well |
| 18:33.44 | nvz | Qiang: its like that on my sarge boxes too. though I am leaving and dont care to explain it |
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| 18:33.58 | mindbob | pickcoder, hopefully :) |
| 18:34.05 | mindbob | pickcoder, i have the nvidia controller :(# |
| 18:34.20 | mindbob | GRR |
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| 18:34.40 | pickcoder | mindbob: atleast you don't have to patch your kernel like I'm having to do for VT8251 |
| 18:34.46 | mindbob | it wrote them to disk then presented me with the make md screen i click make md, and it says No unused partitions of the type linux raid autodetect are avaialble. |
| 18:34.54 | mindbob | pickcoder, :| |
| 18:35.39 | nvz | I would be leaving if I could find my most recent pay stub grr... |
| 18:35.52 | mindbob | damnit |
| 18:35.56 | sepski | mindbob, i use 3ware cards |
| 18:36.02 | mindbob | this isnt working sepski :( |
| 18:36.08 | sepski | mindbob, did you make the raid autodetect partitions do you see them now ? |
| 18:36.24 | mindbob | i set them both the big partitions to "physical volume for raid" (as i can't see the raid autodetect option) |
| 18:36.30 | mindbob | and then it moans about no / partition |
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| 18:36.46 | mindbob | but i cant seem to set / as a partition when its in a physical volume for raid |
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| 18:37.15 | pickcoder | mindbob: do you have 2 regular drives or 2 RAID arrays? |
| 18:37.27 | sepski | mindbob, correct you do that on the md0 after it's created |
| 18:37.37 | mindbob | Woohoo i got it working |
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| 18:37.46 | mindbob | its in the partition disks menu and i have the following: |
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| 18:38.10 | mindbob | RAD1 device 297.4 GB Software Raid Device then it list the two seperate disks and their partitions <-- sound right? |
| 18:38.20 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 18:38.25 | mindbob | If so I will click finish partitioning and write changes to disk |
| 18:38.26 | mindbob | ok cool |
| 18:38.32 | sepski | mindbob, i recomend installing the mdadm package and using the raid alert email. incase you loose a drive. or you can just cat /proc/mdstat to look at the status. |
| 18:38.36 | sepski | mindbob, yes |
| 18:38.39 | mindbob | fucks sake |
| 18:38.40 | mindbob | it says |
| 18:38.43 | mindbob | no root fuile system defined |
| 18:38.49 | mindbob | please correct this in the partitioning menu |
| 18:38.54 | mindbob | when i try to continue with the install |
| 18:38.54 | sepski | you must select md0 and say format and use as / |
| 18:39.00 | sepski | and select a FS ex ext3 |
| 18:39.21 | mindbob | ok done |
| 18:39.24 | mindbob | cross fingers :) |
| 18:39.28 | sepski | you should perhaps make the swap too ? |
| 18:39.31 | mindbob | i choose ext3 thats the best |
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| 18:39.42 | mindbob | hhow do i make swap? there is no other partition for it |
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| 18:39.51 | mindbob | i have under the RAID 1 device just #1 partition |
| 18:39.55 | mindbob | do i have to md again ? |
| 18:40.11 | pickcoder | mindbob, I split the drives into a usable raid autodetect and a swap partition |
| 18:40.12 | Stevie-O | LameScript Detected: pickcoder @ n=blah@gateway.all-spec.com |
| 18:40.13 | sepski | did you make root for a physical raid partition on each drive or are the y full ? |
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| 18:40.45 | mindbob | i used the auto partition method with created a / partition and swap on each drive, then i md'ed them and it merged the two big partitions to one under RAID 1 DEVICE. |
| 18:40.47 | mindbob | thats it |
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| 18:41.07 | pickcoder | that's fine |
| 18:41.10 | sepski | set the 2 swaps as raid physical to and md those together |
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| 18:41.16 | Backeman | Hi! I have just installed debian but having the problem that it wont use two interfaces. I use eth1 for internet, and if I do ifup eth0, internet dies. When I then do ifdown eth0, internet comes back online. Any suggestions? |
| 18:41.20 | pickcoder | Stevie-O: wha? |
| 18:41.21 | sepski | that is if you want to survice a diskcrash |
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| 18:42.09 | mindbob | yeah but swap doesn't exist in the raid |
| 18:42.15 | mindbob | it exists on the two separate disks? |
| 18:42.33 | sepski | mindbob, yes linux swap have built in raid0 capabilities wiouth you saying anything |
| 18:42.41 | liable | Backeman: what do you want eth0 for? local network? sounds like a routing problem ie, when you bring eth0 up, it gets set as default gateway |
| 18:42.47 | sepski | so if you loose 1 of the drivees you remove a pice of brain while running |
| 18:43.05 | sepski | ytou must use md and raid1 them together if you want to not crash the linux kernel on a disk loss |
| 18:43.06 | Nwallins | i'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy |
| 18:43.14 | Backeman | liable: yes, Im going to use this computer as a router. Where do I change eth1 to be default? |
| 18:43.37 | Backeman | liable: and yes, eth0 is for the local network |
| 18:43.40 | pickcoder | sepski: I left my swaps alone and they are mounted together at boot-up |
| 18:43.45 | mindbob | god im lost |
| 18:43.51 | mindbob | sepski, i cant md the swaps together |
| 18:43.54 | mindbob | it doesnt choose them |
| 18:43.58 | pickcoder | sepski: I didn't have to make a second MD for them |
| 18:44.05 | sepski | mindbob, i think it's something like select the 2 swap partitions, change type to raid physiacal. select md and raid 1 and those 2 partitions |
| 18:44.12 | sepski | then select that new md1 and say swap |
| 18:44.12 | mindbob | ahhh |
| 18:44.14 | mindbob | lemme tr that |
| 18:44.17 | liable | Backeman: in /etc/network/interfaces, check man interfaces (network flag iirc) and man route |
| 18:44.24 | sepski | pickcoder, then your kernel crash when a disk crash |
| 18:44.25 | mindbob | sepski, ok two mins |
| 18:44.28 | Backeman | liable: thanks! |
| 18:44.34 | sepski | pickcoder, but you have a speedy and large swap |
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| 18:45.07 | liable | Backeman: also a good read is /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 18:45.28 | pickcoder | sepski: well it doesn't matter anymore. that box is getting an overhaul for the 3rd time |
| 18:45.40 | pickcoder | sepski: I'm trying the amd64 kernel on it too for the first time |
| 18:45.51 | pickcoder | sepski: hopefully it won't explode on me |
| 18:45.57 | sepski | and you repartition for that ? ;) |
| 18:46.06 | sepski | pickcoder, have backups :) |
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| 18:46.23 | pickcoder | sepski: I didn't stop my MD before trying to split the RAID back into single disks |
| 18:46.32 | sepski | pickcoder, it's not so bad you just remove the failed disk and restart. |
| 18:46.40 | pickcoder | sepski: initrd kept trying to mount it for /proc and /sys even though it was gone |
| 18:47.11 | gesker | Can someone point me to a url where I can read upon "Waiting for /sys/block/sda/dev" error on boot with smp kernel |
| 18:47.35 | gesker | Not much on google except some references to xen |
| 18:48.15 | pickcoder | sepski: after rebuilding the ramfs disk several times and grep'ing the entire FS for "md0" I said to heck with it all. |
| 18:49.01 | Backeman | liable: how do I read that, just in less or vim or something? |
| 18:49.09 | gesker | Booting just fine with standard 686 linux-image but can boot with smp kernel |
| 18:49.26 | liable | Backeman: i like mc, but zless or zcat will show it |
| 18:49.45 | pickcoder | gesker: what CPU(s) are you running |
| 18:49.54 | Backeman | liable: thanks |
| 18:50.14 | liable | np |
| 18:50.32 | sepski | gesker, rebuild the initrd for the -smp kernel make sure all the needed modules are there |
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| 18:50.36 | Nwallins | Backeman, liable; lesspipe also lets you transparently read gzipped text |
| 18:50.50 | gesker | Intel xeon 3Ghz (2) |
| 18:51.02 | Backeman | Nwallins: thanks |
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| 18:51.57 | kvossen | Can anyone recommend me a mailserver that supports TLS, SASL, MailDir format and is easy to configure? |
| 18:51.59 | gesker | isn't the initrd rebuilt when the package is installed? |
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| 18:52.18 | sepski | kvossen,i like postfix, but default in debian exim should do too |
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| 18:52.33 | sepski | kvossen, or almost all mta's |
| 18:52.33 | Tallu | Yeah, exim does too. just a matter of preference I suppose |
| 18:52.33 | pickcoder | kvossen: there is no such thing as an "easy to configure mailserver". <G> |
| 18:52.43 | pickcoder | kvossen: postfix is the most flexible IMO |
| 18:53.07 | kvossen | :) |
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| 18:53.07 | Tallu | I've always just gone with exim4-daemon-heavy. Maybe I should try postfix :) |
| 18:53.07 | sepski | pickcoder, there is sendmail and all the others :) |
| 18:53.20 | kvossen | kvossen: well, i tried using postfix, but getting sasl to work was a _major_ hassle |
| 18:53.20 | pickcoder | sepski: sendmail is an overloaded hog |
| 18:53.24 | Nwallins | is the function of a mailserver really that complicated? is it essential or accidental complexity? |
| 18:53.28 | pickcoder | sepski: postfix handles mail much faster |
| 18:53.48 | sepski | kvossen, check this one http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ it's a nice start place for a small server |
| 18:53.48 | Nwallins | (never having bit the bullet and set up a mailserver myself) |
| 18:53.53 | petemc | pickcoder: how is postfix more flexible than exim? |
| 18:54.10 | pickcoder | petemc: b/c I don't use exim |
| 18:54.10 | kvossen | sepski: thank you, i'll have a look |
| 18:54.15 | pickcoder | petemc: <g> |
| 18:54.20 | petemc | hmm |
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| 18:54.23 | sepski | pickcoder, true, but a while ago it was sendmail or uucp |
| 18:54.30 | pickcoder | petemc: like I said.. " IMO " |
| 18:54.32 | sepski | and not much else :) |
| 18:54.45 | petemc | pickcoder: you have opinions about things you've never used? |
| 18:55.24 | petemc | i think, as it stands, exim has greater flexibility, but postfix may have other strengths |
| 18:55.46 | pickcoder | petemc: ok I stand corrected, but I still prefer postfix |
| 18:55.53 | petemc | thats fine |
| 18:55.58 | sepski | petemc, i feel that it's easier to wrap postfix around a preexsisting propritary sql database then exim is. if all i need is a smarthost setup or local i use exim default |
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| 18:56.26 | pickcoder | petemc: and yes.. I have opinions on everything.. <g> |
| 18:56.28 | sepski | petemc, but that's probably just what one is most used to |
| 18:56.37 | pickcoder | petemc: even if they are mis-informed opinions |
| 18:56.41 | sepski | !start a mta war |
| 18:56.41 | dpkg | courier loses mail |
| 18:56.45 | sepski | lol |
| 18:56.48 | petemc | exims greater flexibility does bring with it complication.. |
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| 18:57.25 | sepski | i'v never used couriers mta, altho i use it's [imap|pop][-ssl] |
| 18:57.32 | mindbob | sepski, ok its all working now buddy, (seems to be) got both / and swap on the raid :) |
| 18:57.35 | mindbob | thanks alot for the help! |
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| 18:58.05 | sepski | mindbob, noproblem http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual thats the install manual in case ytou need it |
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| 18:59.09 | sepski | have anyone packaged policyd ? |
| 18:59.48 | mrwoody | sepski: I tried to just copy the dvd to a partition. (after I mounted -t udf).. the problem was that it is not bootable. Do you know how to make it bootable? would dd help me for that? |
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| 19:00.11 | asg | sepski: postfix-policyd exists |
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| 19:00.31 | yang | which package is used for bluetootz bluez-pan ? |
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| 19:01.09 | gesker | sepski: I'm a bit confused should I overwrite the initrd that was installed with the package? |
| 19:01.13 | sepski | mrwoody, bootable ? can you put that iso FS on a partition and boot it ? i guess you need a bootloader to transfer control to that partition or use a partitioner fdisk|cfdisk to set that partition as the active one |
| 19:01.21 | Backeman | liable: thanks, I worked it out, I had specified a gateway for eth0 and it didn't like that. Now another question if I may, what is the easiest way to make a script run at boot? Its a firewallscript using IPTABLES. |
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| 19:01.46 | sepski | gesker, you make a new initrd for the kernel with dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6-686-smp (or whatever package name you have) |
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| 19:01.48 | IndyBC | Any systray plugin for bmp? |
| 19:02.34 | mrwoody | sepski: you think that fdisk is enough? I thought that there might be some hidden files |
| 19:02.34 | sepski | gesker, it's just a matter of putting the right modules into /etc/mk[initrd|ram]/modules and running that dpkg-reconfig command |
| 19:02.48 | sepski | mrwoody, i dont know much about udf filesystems. |
| 19:03.10 | sepski | mrwoody, to my copying a dvd image to a partition is nutty, i'd rater copy the contents. |
| 19:03.19 | sepski | but then again i dont know what the contents are so.... |
| 19:03.22 | mrwoody | sepski: ok... thanks. I will try to play more on it |
| 19:03.31 | sepski | your the one with the info we only know what you tell us |
| 19:03.35 | mrwoody | sepski: it is bad stuff: vista |
| 19:04.07 | sepski | so isn't that just a bootabel cd? |
| 19:04.21 | Backeman | What is the easiest way to make a script run at boot? Its a firewallscript using IPTABLES. |
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| 19:04.36 | asg | Backeman: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:04.39 | mrwoody | sepski: yes, but it is a .iso... i didn't want to burn it |
| 19:04.45 | sepski | Backeman, 3 alternative methods describes in /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 19:05.00 | Backeman | asg, sepski; oki, thanks |
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| 19:05.05 | sepski | mrwoody, well you must boot on the iso. |
| 19:05.18 | mrwoody | sepski: how? |
| 19:05.18 | sepski | you cant just clone it onto a partition and expect it to work |
| 19:05.39 | mrwoody | sepski: why not? |
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| 19:05.52 | sepski | mrwoody, well i'd perhaps try with qemu or vmware. put the iso as the cd and give it a real partition as disk and hope vista dont puke |
| 19:05.54 | sepski | (it will) |
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| 19:06.08 | mrwoody | sepski: yes, I will try to use vmware |
| 19:06.36 | mrwoody | sepski: thanks |
| 19:06.39 | sepski | mrwoody, have you _ever_ seen a piece of microsoft software where you can just copy it to the disk and it works ? no it's a installer that does 1000 things behind your back, |
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| 19:06.54 | sepski | security by obscurity perfected |
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| 19:07.06 | asg | sepski: I think you could do it with the Microsoft Bob install floppies ;) |
| 19:07.13 | sepski | mrwoody, save yourself the time and burn the thing. |
| 19:07.17 | sepski | preferably in the oven |
| 19:07.24 | mrwoody | sepski: :-) |
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| 19:07.38 | pickcoder | microwave.. alteast you get a nice light show out of it |
| 19:07.39 | sepski | asg, have _he_ heard of those :) |
| 19:07.53 | asg | sepski: hehe |
| 19:07.57 | sepski | pickcoder, pity that dont work on iso's |
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| 19:08.18 | sepski | mrwoody, lpr /home/vista.iso then burn the result from your printer. |
| 19:08.32 | sepski | ill bet it will be interesting... |
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| 19:10.57 | Arnald | war95: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2 |
| 19:11.23 | Arnald | damn cut'n'paste = sorry war95 ! |
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| 19:11.46 | asg | Arnald: /msg dpkg testing security key |
| 19:11.55 | RichiH | where is the link to the voting system for DPLs, again? |
| 19:11.57 | Arnald | asg: thanks |
| 19:12.02 | RichiH | the math behind it, i mean |
| 19:12.15 | asg | RichiH: vote.debian.org iirc |
| 19:12.34 | asg | RichiH: links to the Condorcet method |
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| 19:14.17 | Jaybob | How do I set fluxbox to initiate on boot instead of gnome |
| 19:14.19 | Arnald | hmmm, looks like I added some keys for nothing |
| 19:14.21 | Jaybob | without removing gnome |
| 19:14.33 | Jaybob | And allowing me to go back to exactly how it was if I dislike fluxbox |
| 19:14.35 | Arnald | hope they aren't malicious |
| 19:14.50 | Jaybob | Arnald, SSH keys? |
| 19:14.51 | Arnald | hasn't solved the error message anyway |
| 19:14.52 | sepski | Arnald, its a bug in the mirror |
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| 19:14.56 | asg | Jaybob: GPG keys |
| 19:15.02 | sepski | it's appered today and hopefulyl fiexed soon |
| 19:15.14 | Arnald | well I suppose we have to trust dpkg eh? ;) |
| 19:15.34 | RichiH | asg: yup, found it. thanks :)( |
| 19:15.39 | RichiH | s/(// |
| 19:15.46 | Thanatermesis | aparently ATI not works good on the version of xorg of ETCH |
| 19:15.47 | asg | RichiH: you're welcome. Hope all is well with you these days. |
| 19:15.58 | RichiH | asg: too much work |
| 19:15.59 | RichiH | els, fine |
| 19:16.14 | Jaybob | How do I set fluxbox to initiate on boot instead of gnome - without actually removing gnome? |
| 19:16.16 | sepski | Arnald, only thing i can suggest is try --allow-unauthoriced |
| 19:16.19 | Jaybob | And allowing me to go back to exactly how it was if I dislike fluxbox? |
| 19:16.37 | asg | Jaybob: echo 'exec /usr/bin/fluxbox' > ~/.xsession |
| 19:16.38 | Arnald | sepski: that, or ignore the error ;) |
| 19:16.43 | Jaybob | ooh |
| 19:16.44 | Jaybob | Thanks |
| 19:16.46 | Arnald | and wait for it to go away |
| 19:16.52 | asg | Jaybob: make a backup of ~/.xsession if you have a config there though |
| 19:16.53 | sepski | Arnald, yes |
| 19:17.01 | RichiH | asg: i will be doing my dimploma thesis soon :) |
| 19:17.09 | asg | RichiH: cool, what's the topic? |
| 19:17.52 | Jaybob | hmm =/ |
| 19:17.57 | RichiH | asg: voip characterization & analysis with bro |
| 19:17.57 | Jaybob | Theres no .xsession |
| 19:18.02 | Jaybob | Just .xsession_errors |
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| 19:18.16 | Arnald | sepski: ;) |
| 19:18.16 | asg | Jaybob: ah, then just create one with the 'echo ...' bit I posted above |
| 19:18.18 | Valombre | .Xsession |
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| 19:20.51 | mindbob | sepski, Thanks, umm say a disk failed what would I do, switch it off, take it out, then replace it? 1) How would I rebuild the new disk, and 2) how would i figure out which disk failed? |
| 19:20.59 | Derick | Hello. There is a feature with apt/dpkg that allows you to unregister a package with the database, but not actually removes the files. I can not find which option this is in any man page... Any ideas? |
| 19:21.05 | asg | Valombre: both .xsession and .Xsession are honored |
| 19:21.10 | sepski | mindbob, install mdadm package. it contains a email alert part. |
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| 19:21.40 | mindbob | Its already in there.. |
| 19:21.48 | mindbob | So I would use that to tell me if a disk failed? |
| 19:22.09 | sepski | mindbob, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html#s6 |
| 19:22.10 | mindbob | what about figureing out which disk failed when it came to physicalling taking it out, also how do i rebuild? |
| 19:22.23 | sepski | mindbob, cat /proc/mdstat helps a lot |
| 19:22.37 | sepski | it tell you if it's hda or hdb , (the mail should also do that afaik) |
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| 19:23.07 | mindbob | sepski, thankyou, you have been no end of help!! |
| 19:23.08 | sepski | rebuild using raidhotadd, |
| 19:23.19 | sepski | bookmark that url |
| 19:23.24 | sepski | it's a lifesaver sometimes |
| 19:23.31 | mindbob | raidhotadd is not in repos.. |
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| 19:23.59 | Thanatermesis | nobody has a ati on etch ? |
| 19:24.09 | sepski | mindbob, ahhh mdadm have replaced it |
| 19:24.25 | mindbob | so mdadm does both alerts and rebuilds? |
| 19:24.35 | asg | Thanatermesis: some likely does. It would help if you described the problem. |
| 19:24.40 | asg | *someone |
| 19:24.44 | sepski | mindbob, try tryping mdadm --help |
| 19:24.57 | mindbob | nothing about rebuilding in thjere |
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| 19:25.02 | sepski | and mdadm --manage -h |
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| 19:25.36 | sepski | mindbob, when you use manage add you add a partition back into eg md0 and it rebuilds automagicaly |
| 19:25.55 | mindbob | sweet ok thanks alot! |
| 19:26.22 | sepski | mindbob, i also usualy do a sfdisk |
| 19:27.02 | Thanatermesis | asg, well, aparently no one of the privative drivers of ATI (fglrx) works with 3d on xorg 7 (ETCH), and radeon looks broken |
| 19:27.43 | sepski | mindbob, eg a sfdisk -d /dev/hda that give you a output you can use to easily repartition the replace drive identicaly |
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| 19:28.25 | sepski | then it just sfdisk /device < file to partition the new replacement drive |
| 19:28.51 | asg | Thanatermesis: oh, that's a different question. Check the bts and wiki.debian.org. |
| 19:29.02 | Thanatermesis | thx |
| 19:29.24 | sepski | mindbob, ofcouse you can partition manually, but i am lazy |
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| 19:31.44 | gesker | speski: the modules i added to the mkinitrd/modules files didn't take. I removed all previously installed kernels, boot to the base kernel that was installed when the system was installed, reinstalled linux-image-2.6-686-smp and bingo I'm up and going |
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| 19:31.53 | gesker | sepski: thanks for your help |
| 19:31.54 | _rynz- | hello |
| 19:32.00 | _rynz- | anyone here use knology? |
| 19:32.04 | _rynz- | for i-net |
| 19:32.28 | sepski | gesker, np, did you manage to get it to boot ? |
| 19:33.18 | gesker | sepski: after the girations above I'm booting just fine. I'm still not sure when I went wrong but it seem ok now. |
| 19:33.43 | sepski | :) |
| 19:34.03 | gesker | thanks for helping me get going! |
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| 19:34.15 | gesker | its very much appreciated! |
| 19:34.27 | sepski | no problem |
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| 19:36.28 | abrotman | _rynz-: how is that a Debian question ? |
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| 19:37.41 | ecliptik | on etch, how do you get a module to not load? I've added it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but it still comes up on boot |
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| 19:38.39 | abrotman | that's the correct place |
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| 19:40.59 | ecliptik | why does it still load then? |
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| 19:41.56 | asg | ecliptik: something else that is loading requires it and the kernel installs it. |
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| 19:43.14 | ecliptik | asg, so I have to blacklist that module too? |
| 19:43.24 | asg | ecliptik: presumably, yes. |
| 19:43.26 | abrotman | what are you trying to blacklist ? |
| 19:43.41 | abrotman | lsmod | grep <blacklistedmodule> .. what does it say ? |
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| 19:44.02 | asg | abrotman: goatse_cx.ko |
| 19:44.11 | ecliptik | two modules, prism54 and firmware_class - prism54,pcmcia |
| 19:44.44 | Mooi | I boot into debian etch, do /etc/init.d/gdm start and the screen goes blank, then the displaygoes to stand by and then nothing happens. Any ideas? Linux 2.6.12-1-686 X - version 7.0.0 , using nvidia drivers. (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x00000004, 0x00000b1c, 0) is seen in few lines -lookslike somthing evil. also the kernel doesn't load some module with random.ko or something like that :/ |
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| 19:45.18 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 19:45.18 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 19:45.23 | Vasistha | Mooi: ^^^ |
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| 19:47.05 | ecliptik | abrotman, I have firmware_class blacklisted as well |
| 19:47.07 | Mooi | !nvidia installer |
| 19:47.07 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 19:47.27 | Mooi | !nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 19:47.35 | asg | Mooi: /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:47.42 | MatBoy | Hi All !! My debian is always setting my HW-clock 2 hours back during boot when I say in the Bios what time it is. |
| 19:47.42 | Mooi | ok |
| 19:47.46 | mindbob | hrm |
| 19:47.49 | ecliptik | I need to blacklist the prism54 module cause my card thinks it's one chipset, but it only works under ndiswrapper |
| 19:48.03 | mindbob | is there an equivilent to hyper terminal in linux as windows? I need to manage my 3com switch? |
| 19:48.08 | MatBoy | Mooi, !nvidia-oneliner |
| 19:48.12 | Mooi | thanks, Vasistha |
| 19:48.12 | asg | mindbob: minicom |
| 19:48.20 | mindbob | sweet thanks |
| 19:48.30 | Mooi | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 19:48.59 | asg | mindbob: though I've always found ser2net + script (for logging) to be a better solution. |
| 19:49.03 | MatBoy | mindbob, with minicom try first to use the shift with the commands, if you don't know how this works... you always need to exist you session to end minicom |
| 19:49.14 | MatBoy | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 19:49.26 | MatBoy | !n-vidia-oneliner |
| 19:49.31 | nflenz | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 19:49.31 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 19:49.37 | asg | stop fucking with the bot |
| 19:49.44 | MatBoy | nflenz, there is also a oneliner |
| 19:49.47 | Vasistha | MatBoy: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 19:50.09 | asg | if you know the factoid, /msg dpkg tell <hapless sap> about <factoid> |
| 19:50.11 | MatBoy | Vasistha, is that message gone ? |
| 19:50.58 | Vasistha | MatBoy: just /msg dpkg instead of flooding the channel ;-) You have to get it right, and I just checked -- what you want is just what I gave you |
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| 19:51.18 | MatBoy | Vasistha, I tried to help Mooi |
| 19:51.22 | MatBoy | sorry |
| 19:52.23 | Vasistha | MatBoy: oh, oh, heh :-) I'm not following too well atm ... but yeah, when I'm not sure about a factoid, I usually /msg dpkg until I find it |
| 19:52.48 | MatBoy | Vasistha, that is a very good idea |
| 19:52.51 | MatBoy | let me try that |
| 19:53.52 | Vasistha | So, I have this funky laptop. It's a compaq armada 1750, made in '98. And I have this old installation of mepis 2004. And I have my current debian sarge install ...... |
| 19:54.11 | asg | MatBoy: also, /msg dpkg listkeys <foo> ; /msg dpkg listvals <bar> (narrow the search space a bit) |
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| 19:55.00 | asg | Vasistha: was that the one where the battery doubled as a luggable handle? |
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| 19:55.25 | Vasistha | ...so, in my current debian sarge, with stock kernel 2.6.8, two things are broken: high-res text mode (i.e. vga=791) and suspend-to-ram. However, in mepis 2004, with a 2.6.7 kernel, both of these things work. Where should I go about looking for those mepis kernel settings that I need to set in order to make that stuff work in 2.6.8 in debian? |
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| 19:56.10 | sepski | Vasistha, i'd save me the trouble and use a backports.org kernel |
| 19:56.12 | asg | Vasistha: /boot/config-$(uname -r) will tell you (if you are booted into mephis.) Otherwise, look at /boot/config-<version of kernel> |
| 19:56.12 | Vasistha | asg: the battery isn't really a handle, but the AC adapter is built into the laptop -- which makes the power cord really nice. It's also absurdly stupid for heat. |
| 19:56.24 | asg | Vasistha: ah |
| 19:56.59 | Vasistha | ah, duh :-) yeah, let's see if mepis keeps kernel config in the usual debian place... |
| 19:57.20 | S4nD3r | I will upgrade my sarge to etch |
| 19:57.23 | S4nD3r | Is there any problem ?? |
| 19:57.25 | Vasistha | sepski: Do you think there was a substantial change between 2.6.7 and 2.6.8 which would have made my computer not supported? |
| 19:57.40 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: stuff might break. Are you very experienced with debian? |
| 19:57.42 | asg | S4nD3r: yes, etch may break and you are expected to fix it. |
| 19:58.05 | S4nD3r | apt-get -s dist-upgrade I tried it, and it do not give any error |
| 19:58.13 | S4nD3r | Im not advanced user |
| 19:58.23 | asg | S4nD3r: then stick with sarge |
| 19:58.34 | sepski | Vasistha, probably not, but you never know what additional patchers the mepis guys put on their kernel |
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| 19:58.50 | Vasistha | asg: ahh, indeed, mepis's /boot/config-2.6.7 is right there! |
| 19:58.57 | S4nD3r | oh my... |
| 19:58.59 | asg | sepski: the config should still be in the standard place though, no matter how they patched it |
| 19:59.06 | S4nD3r | Then I will must keep in openoffice.org 1.1.3 |
| 19:59.07 | asg | sepski: if it isn't, they are really squacked |
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| 19:59.24 | sepski | asg, yes ofcouse. but if they patched something to fix a suspend issue i mean |
| 19:59.37 | asg | sepski: oh, in that case sure. |
| 19:59.54 | Vasistha | sepski: well, I suppose the question of mepis patches isn't exactly a debian question ... maybe I'll pay the mepis folks a visit. thanks for pointing that out |
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| 20:00.19 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: you can use backports.org if all you want is OOo 2 |
| 20:00.29 | lontra | how do i add screensavers to kde? |
| 20:00.40 | Backeman | Hi! I have a weird problem. I have set up my /etc/network/interfaces as I think it should be but it wont succed the dhclient if I use ifup -a, but it works if I do dhclient eth0 manually. Here is my lines in interfaces http://pastebin.com/780033 |
| 20:00.42 | asg | lontra: if nobody in here knows, try #debian-kde |
| 20:00.51 | S4nD3r | Vasistha, I didnt get to use backports |
| 20:00.51 | Vasistha | lontra: have you gone to kcontrol and found the screensavers section? |
| 20:01.01 | lontra | asg: thanks...i've tried #debian-kde but they inactive |
| 20:01.03 | lontra | Vasistha: yeah |
| 20:01.13 | lontra | Vasistha: i can select one but i don't know how to add one |
| 20:01.13 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: didn't "get to"? Not sure what you mean by that. have you visited backports.org on the web? |
| 20:01.17 | asg | lontra: they are probably down at the pub; give 'em time |
| 20:01.25 | lontra | :) |
| 20:01.45 | S4nD3r | I visited |
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| 20:01.50 | Vasistha | lontra: you know, that's a generic enough question that the #kde folks might even be willing to help you ... though prepared to be scoffed at if you're running sarge |
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| 20:02.22 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: ...is there some reason why you can't use backports, but why you would want to use etch? |
| 20:02.38 | S4nD3r | just to use openoffice2 |
| 20:02.46 | _rynz- | wtf |
| 20:02.48 | lontra | i'm using a mixed etch/sid system |
| 20:02.49 | _rynz- | allpeers got released |
| 20:03.00 | _rynz- | https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3234/ |
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| 20:03.07 | lontra | most of the folks in #kde seem to be ricers :) |
| 20:03.21 | Backeman | Hi! I have a weird problem. I have set up my /etc/network/interfaces as I think it should be but it wont succed the dhclient if I use ifup -a, but it works if I do dhclient eth0 manually. Here is my lines in interfaces http://pastebin.com/780033 |
| 20:03.46 | starfishy | lontra, both the gnome and kde zealots are ricers ;) |
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| 20:04.44 | amphi | S4nD3r: backports.org seems to be somewhat broken ATM |
| 20:04.59 | amphi | S4nD3r: it'll no doubt recover |
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| 20:05.29 | S4nD3r | Im really lost |
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| 20:06.05 | asg | S4nD3r: then try using something like ubuntu until you are more comfortable. |
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| 20:06.21 | S4nD3r | I was comfortable in debian |
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| 20:06.45 | S4nD3r | my only problem, is to install openoffice2 |
| 20:06.45 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: backports.org is a system designed to help you use programs like OOo 2 in sarge. However, it would seem that it's broken at the moment, so probably the best thing to do is wait until backports.org is working again |
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| 20:06.52 | S4nD3r | Vasistha, Ok !!!! |
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| 20:06.55 | S4nD3r | Thanks anyway ! |
| 20:07.18 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: good luck! |
| 20:07.40 | S4nD3r | I will need, mainly because Im without text editor |
| 20:07.46 | S4nD3r | I dont like to use koffice, |
| 20:07.51 | S4nD3r | I really prefer openoffice |
| 20:07.57 | Backeman | what about vim ;) |
| 20:08.09 | lontra | openoffice a FAT text editor :) |
| 20:08.10 | S4nD3r | suite office |
| 20:08.19 | asg | Backeman: he wasn't into that when I proposed it earlier *shrug* |
| 20:08.29 | Vasistha | interesting that people would recommend to the same guy ubuntu and vim |
| 20:08.29 | Backeman | asg: ;) |
| 20:08.51 | lontra | i'd recommend gedit to someone that is ubuntuber |
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| 20:09.13 | asg | Vasistha: the vim recommendation I made was before I figured out he wasn't as proficient. |
| 20:09.34 | lontra | nano is easy too |
| 20:09.40 | lontra | but vim is the best ;) |
| 20:10.02 | quitte_ | hi. not long ago someone here talked about a tiny uC that was programmable via usb. does someone know what uC that is? |
| 20:10.09 | gre1 | once i install sarge then how should i setup my desktop enviroment and gdm? |
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| 20:10.22 | caverdude | hi, where can I find documents on how to configure X on debian? |
| 20:10.30 | lontra | gre1: are you doing a netinstall? |
| 20:10.34 | caverdude | I tried xconf, xconfig, xconfiguration |
| 20:10.36 | caverdude | nothing works |
| 20:10.38 | Vasistha | gre1: do you have a preference of gnome vs. kde vs. etc? |
| 20:10.41 | lontra | !drxx |
| 20:10.41 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 20:10.47 | lontra | caverdude: ^^ |
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| 20:11.01 | quitte_ | caverdude: dpkg-reconfigure xserer-xfree86 on sarge xserver-xorg for etch |
| 20:11.07 | gre1 | ive used gnome |
| 20:11.12 | gre1 | so gnome |
| 20:11.16 | lontra | gre1: is gdm installed? |
| 20:11.25 | caverdude | quitte are those commands? |
| 20:11.29 | lontra | gre1: if it is you can run as root /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 20:11.30 | gre1 | no i just reinstalled debian |
| 20:11.34 | lontra | ok |
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| 20:11.42 | admin_ | whats a good, easy graphical backup program? |
| 20:11.48 | Vasistha | gre1: well, if you want *everything* I think you can just apt-get install gnome |
| 20:11.58 | lontra | gre1: or gnome-core for less |
| 20:12.01 | Vasistha | gre1: if you want less than everything, I think there are some smaller packages |
| 20:12.18 | lontra | gre1: i'd recommend install 'gnome' and then removing things you don't want |
| 20:12.23 | lontra | if you've got bandwidth |
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| 20:12.31 | admin_ | whats a good, easy graphical backup program? |
| 20:12.55 | newbcoder | can i create a 65-bit filesystem from a 32-bit machine? if so;- how |
| 20:13.03 | jelly-home | !tell admin_ -about repeat |
| 20:13.07 | lontra | 65 |
| 20:13.08 | lontra | ? |
| 20:13.13 | Vasistha | admin_: have you done a search on packages.debian.org ? |
| 20:13.15 | Backeman | Oh, teach me how create a 65bit system :) |
| 20:13.16 | lontra | !typo |
| 20:13.16 | dpkg | it has been said that typo is when someone tries to type really fast without knowing what he is actually doing.... so he makes typing mistakes, or rm -rf / |
| 20:13.37 | lontra | he he ... rm -rf / <-- don't do that :) |
| 20:13.45 | Vasistha | Backeman: you take a 64-bit processor and duct tape it to a 12.5 cent piece |
| 20:13.57 | Backeman | Vasistha: ;) |
| 20:14.17 | newbcoder | 64 |
| 20:14.24 | newbcoder | u guys happy now? |
| 20:14.30 | lontra | :) |
| 20:14.31 | lontra | yes |
| 20:14.41 | newbcoder | i have root access on a 32bit m!achine; i only have user access on a 64bitmachinel i want to run uml on it |
| 20:14.42 | Vasistha | newbcoder: oh, we're already happy due to laughing at your expense :-) hehehe |
| 20:14.50 | newbcoder | i need to make a 64bit file system |
| 20:14.55 | newbcoder | but i don't know how to |
| 20:15.10 | newbcoder | the cost of laughing at me is that you have to help me fix it now |
| 20:15.25 | Vasistha | newbcoder: wish I knew how :P what about the filesystem should be 64 bit? |
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| 20:16.00 | newbcoder | hmm; I read online that it could be the problem; 32 bit file systems give it panics; since the web never lies; it must be true |
| 20:16.05 | Vasistha | Backeman: heh, the funny thing is that I only learned two nights ago what a "bit" was in historical american currency |
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| 20:16.25 | Backeman | Vasistha: oh, timing is everything :) |
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| 20:18.12 | rockstar_ | Anyone know of a good tool for defragmenting an ext3 partition? |
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| 20:18.34 | Guerin | rockstar_: nothing |
| 20:18.37 | newbcoder | gah |
| 20:18.40 | Vasistha | rockstar_: what makes you think your ext3 partition is fragmented? |
| 20:18.41 | Guerin | rockstar_: as in, nor necessary |
| 20:18.42 | newbcoder | such useless people |
| 20:18.46 | newbcoder | just laugh and no help |
| 20:18.50 | Trewas | newbcoder: the only "32bit problem" on nowadays filesystems you'll likely stumble upon is 4GB filesize limit on vfat, there should be no such limitations on ext2/3 or other native linux filesystems |
| 20:19.10 | newbcoder | hmm; so if I take a file system |
| 20:19.14 | newbcoder | created on a 32bit machine |
| 20:19.14 | Guerin | newbcoder: what gives you a sovereign entitlement to help from volunteers? |
| 20:19.20 | newbcoder | and try to boot it on a 64bit machine |
| 20:19.23 | newbcoder | it should work? |
| 20:19.25 | rockstar_ | Hm, well, my mp3s skip... So I'm assuming it's 'cause they are fragmented. |
| 20:19.30 | Guerin | newbcoder: put your thoughts on one line |
| 20:19.37 | Guerin | rockstar_: almost certainly not the case. |
| 20:19.42 | Vasistha | newbcoder: well, you'll need 64-bit compiled packages, but the file system should not be an issue, I don't think |
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| 20:19.49 | starfishy | newbcoder, sure it will, but of course you will still get the same 32bit OS that was on it |
| 20:19.57 | newbcoder | Guerin: none; that is why I am leaving for #gentoo rather than ordring the ececution of those who laugh at me; what gives you the right to order me to pujt allthoughtsonone line? |
| 20:20.09 | rockstar_ | Guerin, so do you know of a disk diagnostic utility then? |
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| 20:20.13 | Vasistha | rockstar_: you just need to increase your audio buffer |
| 20:20.25 | Guerin | newbcoder: i'm not claiming a right; i'm telling you what will get you more help. |
| 20:20.31 | Trewas | newbcoder: on-disk structure of any filesystem should not depend on the processor |
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| 20:20.44 | Guerin | rockstar_: to do what? |
| 20:20.56 | caverdude | well non of that worked |
| 20:20.58 | rockstar_ | Vasistha, yeah, did that. These files were working great until I had to move them around. |
| 20:20.59 | caverdude | oh well |
| 20:21.08 | caverdude | thats why I like mandrake |
| 20:21.15 | rockstar_ | Guerin, finding bad blocks or something? |
| 20:21.17 | caverdude | X was setup and working on install |
| 20:21.21 | Vasistha | rockstar_: badblocks |
| 20:21.22 | Guerin | people still use mandrake? |
| 20:21.37 | caverdude | Mandriva |
| 20:21.40 | Guerin | rockstar_: unmount the filesystem and run fsck -c on it |
| 20:21.51 | spldart | Meh... I have used KDE Gnome and Fluxbox and I'm up in the air as to which of the two, Gnome or Fluxbox, to run on my work machine when I do the reinstall. Prolly friday |
| 20:21.52 | caverdude | anwyay, just curios does debian come with a text based spread sheet app? |
| 20:21.55 | Guerin | caverdude: same shit, different name |
| 20:22.09 | rockstar_ | caverdude: Uh, this is #debian... |
| 20:22.19 | Guerin | caverdude: APT-CACHE SEARCH SPREADSHEET TEXT |
| 20:22.20 | Guerin | bah, sorry |
| 20:22.29 | rockstar_ | Guerin, *sigh* Going through ssh right now... |
| 20:22.46 | Vasistha | caverdude: there is one, can't remember what it's called. I'll search p.d.o for you since you have limited connectivity |
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| 20:23.31 | rockstar_ | Is there a utility that I can put in a script that will add a string I pass into it to the beginning of a filename? |
| 20:23.36 | Vasistha | caverdude: oleo ? |
| 20:23.45 | Vasistha | caverdude: and sc |
| 20:23.49 | caverdude | ok thanks |
| 20:23.51 | caverdude | sc? |
| 20:23.52 | caverdude | ok |
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| 20:23.56 | Guerin | rockstar_: rename |
| 20:23.56 | caverdude | let me go look |
| 20:24.07 | Vasistha | caverdude: there are a couple others, too |
| 20:24.27 | MatBoy | what can it be that during the boot the time is changed 2 hours back ? |
| 20:24.44 | Guerin | MatBoy: wrong timezone? |
| 20:24.53 | starfishy | rockstar: man rename |
| 20:24.59 | starfishy | oops |
| 20:25.06 | starfishy | sorry, Guerin, didnt see your answer |
| 20:25.40 | MatBoy | Guerin, bit when i set my Bios on 17:00 and I boot, my clock in kde is 17:00 and my bios is back on 15:00 |
| 20:25.48 | Backeman | Gah, I can't figure it out. If I do ifup -a or ifup eth0 I don't get any ip from the dhcp-server (my ISP). But if I do dhclient eth0 I get ip in 2 seconds. This is the line concerning eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces: iface eth0 inet dhcp (and a line auto eth0 eth1) |
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| 20:26.09 | Vasistha | MatBoy: yeah, probably a combination of tzconfig and running ntpdate or something |
| 20:26.13 | Vasistha | !set time |
| 20:26.13 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 20:26.16 | starfishy | Backeman: the line is correct |
| 20:26.34 | Guerin | MatBoy: try to set it with hwclock |
| 20:26.35 | Backeman | starfishy: okey, got any idea why I don't get any ip using ifup? |
| 20:26.40 | starfishy | if you start the dhclient manually thats an entirely different beast |
| 20:26.49 | MatBoy | Guerin, thanks !! |
| 20:26.54 | starfishy | check the DHCP server setup |
| 20:27.09 | seeker | Hrm. I just rebuilt my whole laptop, except the /home partition. / and /boot are ext3 /home is jfs. I just tried to mount /dev/hda3 with 'mount -t jfs /dev/hda3 /home' and it responded with 'wrong fs type, bad option, or bad superblock'. Before I rebuilt system, all was well, and fdisk shows the partiton as being there. Any ideas |
| 20:27.10 | Backeman | starfishy: uh? Im not running the dhcpserver setup, its my isp. |
| 20:27.13 | starfishy | maybe ifup timeouts |
| 20:27.17 | starfishy | oh, ok |
| 20:27.20 | Backeman | starfishy: ;) |
| 20:27.25 | starfishy | thats not a good sign ;) |
| 20:27.32 | Backeman | starfishy: *doh* |
| 20:27.43 | starfishy | what about using wireshark to see whether the requests go out? |
| 20:27.56 | Backeman | starfishy: sure, can I install it via apt? |
| 20:28.01 | rockstar_ | Guerin, starfishy, that's exactly what I needed. Now I just need to construct the perl expression. |
| 20:28.05 | starfishy | yup |
| 20:28.26 | Guerin | rockstar_: something like 's/^/foo/' |
| 20:28.44 | anapivirtua_ | Hello World |
| 20:28.46 | MatBoy | how do I turn of UTC ? |
| 20:28.59 | caverdude | nope no sc or oleo |
| 20:29.05 | streuner_ | MatBoy: still running centos? |
| 20:29.10 | Guerin | MatBoy: you don't turn it off, it exists indfependently of you |
| 20:29.16 | MatBoy | streuner_, also |
| 20:29.30 | Backeman | starfishy: starfishy can't find it in apt or synaptic |
| 20:29.40 | starfishy | backeman: let me check |
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| 20:29.45 | MatBoy | streuner_, you not anymore ? |
| 20:30.06 | seeker | Hrm. this is not good. I just installed jfs_fsck, ran it, and it segfaulted on me. |
| 20:30.07 | starfishy | Backeman, it's in sid, if you dont run sid you have to use ethereal |
| 20:30.12 | MatBoy | Guerin, mhh, I don't get it. It happened some weeks ago after a distupgrade or a normal update |
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| 20:30.24 | Backeman | starfishy: okey, Im running stable. I'll install ethereal |
| 20:30.47 | starfishy | just filter for the dhcp requests |
| 20:30.59 | Backeman | starfishy: and how do I do that? |
| 20:31.08 | Guerin | MatBoy: the smart money sets your hardware clock to UTC, and lets your OS modify the software clock to localtime |
| 20:31.18 | starfishy | there is a filter button at the top left of the ethereal main window |
| 20:31.25 | starfishy | if i remember correctly |
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| 20:31.45 | starfishy | Backeman, you need to see DHCPDISCOVER, DHCPOFFER, DHCPREQUEST and DHCPACK |
| 20:31.50 | MatBoy | Guerin, should this be OK ? it's not nice for my logfiles because you always search wrong |
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| 20:32.14 | Guerin | MatBoy: all your logfiles will be stamped in localtime |
| 20:32.37 | seeker | Ok, jfs_fsck -v /dev/hda3 segfaults at LOGREDO: Beginning to update the Inode Allocation Map'. any ideas now? |
| 20:32.48 | MatBoy | Guerin, I had a problem with mail once thatw as wrong. But I'm checking if that is OK now... so I will let it this way ? |
| 20:33.13 | Guerin | seeker: anything you want to keep on there? |
| 20:33.23 | seeker | Guerin: YES! |
| 20:33.43 | streuner_ | MatBoy: sounds like you need to edit /etc/default/rcS :-) |
| 20:33.44 | seeker | Guerin: hence my not wiping it on the rebuild. |
| 20:33.59 | Guerin | seeker: i feel your pain. I lost an 80G full of data, a blank 160G and a brand new dvd burner in what I believe was a pwer surge yesterday. |
| 20:34.05 | Backeman | starfishy: crap, how do I run it as root? If I do it as root it saids can't open display |
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| 20:34.23 | seeker | Guerin: so you're saying it's unrecoverable? |
| 20:34.31 | Backeman | starfishy: ahh, got it |
| 20:34.37 | Guerin | seeker: seeker not at all, i'm just saying it looks like it'll be hard work. |
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| 20:34.52 | MatBoy | streuner_, turn UTC off there I guess ? |
| 20:34.52 | starfishy | backeman: install the sux package |
| 20:34.54 | Guerin | seeker: you could try testdisk/photorec |
| 20:35.01 | starfishy | and then use sux to become root instead of su |
| 20:35.05 | MatBoy | streuner_, check you PM ! |
| 20:35.07 | seeker | Guerin: Oh, hard work I'm not averse to. Losing my daughter's voice recordings is unacceptable. |
| 20:35.11 | starfishy | sux automagically creates X credentials |
| 20:35.16 | streuner_ | MatBoy: its turn off by default... |
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| 20:35.18 | cydork | Backeman, or you can use gksu too i guess |
| 20:35.22 | seeker | Guerin: Ok, will check out those utils. |
| 20:35.27 | MatBoy | streuner_, ON here :S |
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| 20:36.50 | Cooner750 | Trying to connect to my Debian machine over the network from a Windows PC. Already have SMB installed on the Debian machine. It does show up on the windows network, but when I go to access it it asks for a user and password and no matter what I enter it pops back up |
| 20:36.59 | MatBoy | Mooi, and ? installed nvidia driver ? |
| 20:37.05 | Backeman | starfishy: does dhcp goes as udp? |
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| 20:38.27 | streuner_ | MatBoy: Who told you to /msg me? |
| 20:38.31 | Backeman | starfishy: well. I see DHCP Discover in the list after watching a while during ifup |
| 20:38.50 | MatBoy | streuner_, I did myself ;) if you don't like it... turn it of in your client :) |
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| 20:39.25 | starfishy | Backeman, maybe the DHCP server expects an extended discover |
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| 20:39.36 | starfishy | iow a hostname and such |
| 20:39.49 | starfishy | if so it may not respond to a plain discover |
| 20:39.52 | Backeman | starfishy: Well, I have never configurated the dhclient-script |
| 20:40.04 | Backeman | starfishy: earlier, and we had the same isp for 10 years |
| 20:40.12 | starfishy | oh, ok |
| 20:40.15 | starfishy | weird |
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| 20:41.01 | slow_query | Anyone have any idea how many processes you can run at once in a default install of stable? |
| 20:41.02 | Backeman | but it looks the same when I do ifup and when I do dhclient, exactly the same except that I don't get any answer when I do ifup |
| 20:41.02 | starfishy | but if you see the DHCPDISCOVER and no DHCPOFFER there is a reason |
| 20:41.04 | Cooner750 | Anyone know what my problem is? |
| 20:41.15 | starfishy | which is that the DHCP server doesnt like your DISCOVER |
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| 20:41.35 | starfishy | just do the ifup again and look at the contents of the DISCOVER packet and then do the same with the dhclient |
| 20:41.46 | starfishy | you will likely see a difference |
| 20:42.19 | Backeman | oki |
| 20:42.47 | gre1 | is there a way to view et3 partions on windows? |
| 20:42.55 | gre1 | ext3 |
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| 20:43.33 | streuner_ | yes |
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| 20:43.45 | streuner_ | at least for ext2, not sure about ext3 |
| 20:44.01 | caverdude | why might dpkg-reconfig not be found? |
| 20:44.10 | caverdude | hrm |
| 20:44.20 | cydork | streuner_, that programe explore2fs works for ext3 also i guess |
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| 20:44.38 | streuner_ | gre1: you heard what cydork said... |
| 20:44.50 | MatBoy | b0xy|CoreDuo, how is your experience with C2D under Debian ? |
| 20:45.14 | Ronin | gre1: yes there is, cant recall the name of the app but do a search for ext3 from windows |
| 20:45.39 | cydork | gre1, explore2fs |
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| 20:46.08 | Backeman | starfishy: well, the only two things that I could find differing were a checksum and that the "working one" had "Seconds elapsed" set to 0, and the nonworking to 9 |
| 20:46.12 | MatBoy | !drug cydork |
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| 20:46.36 | cydork | whooo weed :) |
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| 20:47.28 | streuner_ | beer, good idea, makes you tired before go to bed |
| 20:47.30 | zamolxes | absinth goes with weed |
| 20:47.32 | w1w1t0m1 | hello, I did set folder aaa in my home directory to share, and nfsd is running on port 2049, so how can I in konqueror (on another PC)connect to this folder? ("add network place") |
| 20:47.33 | Ronin | wow that boys a slow learner |
| 20:47.39 | Backeman | starfishy: Im going to try one thing, I'll be back in a few min |
| 20:48.03 | Ronin | i dont even want to know what he's going to try to edit on the ext3 from windows |
| 20:48.25 | cydork | zamolxes, wht the fuck is absinth? |
| 20:48.40 | Backeman | starfishy: I tried ifdown eth0 but got the message: eth0 not configured |
| 20:48.41 | streuner_ | oh, you don't know this crap? :-) |
| 20:49.16 | Guerin | absinthe is very strong anise liqueur with hallucinogens in |
| 20:49.17 | seeds | absinth is strong strong alcohol |
| 20:49.28 | streuner_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe |
| 20:49.42 | Guerin | by 'strong' i mean 120-175 degrees proof |
| 20:49.55 | seeds | yup |
| 20:49.56 | cydork | my dict says A strong spirituous liqueur made from wormwood and brandy |
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| 20:51.34 | slow_query | You have to import it if you're in teh US. |
| 20:51.36 | MatBoy | cydork, I have Palm for you |
| 20:51.44 | MatBoy | real beer, and not for sissies |
| 20:51.45 | slow_query | Can't sell it here. |
| 20:52.04 | cydork | i am in italy, any idea about here? :) |
| 20:52.06 | slow_query | There are websites all over that'll ship it to ya from outside the US though. |
| 20:52.10 | slow_query | Not sure about Italy. |
| 20:52.12 | MatBoy | streuner_, are you still running centos ? |
| 20:52.19 | cydork | centos?? |
| 20:52.24 | cydork | streuner_, why?? |
| 20:52.33 | MatBoy | cydork, streuner_ asked me about it |
| 20:53.17 | MatBoy | streuner_, why did you aks me than ? |
| 20:53.22 | MatBoy | ask |
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| 20:53.48 | streuner_ | to make you don't ask questions which are related to centos |
| 20:54.16 | cydork | i was wondering :) |
| 20:54.37 | hjubal | bbl |
| 20:54.40 | MatBoy | streuner_, that is going about nothing.... so you are also living in a steel house if there is comming a war and you are buying every so much food because you need that too ?? :P |
| 20:55.36 | cydork | !greenhouse |
| 20:55.37 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:55.37 | Guerin | MatBoy: careful, bong water stinks |
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| 20:55.54 | cydork | he heh i like that factoid |
| 20:55.57 | MatBoy | Guerin, thanks for the tip ! |
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| 20:56.19 | e-type | oy, ! I'm a source mage user |
| 20:56.20 | MatBoy | be back later guys ! have a nice everning or day :) |
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| 20:56.28 | e-type | don't bash on source based distro's :) |
| 20:56.33 | cydork | MatBoy, or a night |
| 20:56.43 | MatBoy | cydork, let me guess... India |
| 20:56.53 | MatBoy | Singap.. |
| 20:57.02 | abrotman | that has got to be the *STUPIDEST* use for a global notice .. ever |
| 20:57.05 | abrotman | !shoot christel |
| 20:57.06 | Guerin | yes |
| 20:57.09 | cydork | MatBoy, where were you? i said italy |
| 20:57.29 | MatBoy | cydork, almost... 1500km's higher |
| 20:57.29 | Guerin | gentoo == spammers, spammers = thieves, thieves == terrorists |
| 20:57.38 | abrotman | lilo: was that really necessary? |
| 20:57.53 | MatBoy | Guerin, Bin Laden has chosen then best distro than :p |
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| 20:58.34 | Guerin | nah |
| 20:58.37 | Guerin | macos |
| 20:58.54 | cydork | Guerin, comon he cant be that dumb ;) |
| 20:58.55 | Guerin | they're the real fundamentalists |
| 20:58.58 | MatBoy | cydork, ah... he didn't want to crash the airplanes.... he wanted to take over the boeardcomputer with his windowz-laptop :P |
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| 20:59.03 | MatBoy | board |
| 20:59.06 | naa | eheh |
| 20:59.11 | naa | I run windows |
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| 20:59.20 | MatBoy | naa, me too... in Linux :p |
| 20:59.21 | rockstar_ | Guerin, Mac Users are the Jehovah's Witnesses of the computer world. |
| 20:59.22 | Project2501a | no more drama in our lives. |
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| 20:59.30 | Project2501a | <.< |
| 20:59.33 | Project2501a | >.> |
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| 20:59.36 | naa | yeah, but I run windows in windows |
| 20:59.36 | cydork | !kill naa |
| 20:59.49 | Project2501a | FreeBSD, anyone? |
| 20:59.50 | MatBoy | ok, cu all l8er ! |
| 20:59.56 | naa | spare me |
| 21:00.02 | naa | I'll go unix based, I swear! |
| 21:00.06 | rockstar_ | I can see them knocking on your door at 7 in the morning on saturday... "Do you have a Mac yet? - Oh, you don't? That's okay, I'll wait." |
| 21:00.12 | Project2501a | bfree |
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| 21:00.57 | naa | lol, mac users |
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| 21:01.03 | josuetex | Boa noite ! |
| 21:01.41 | pickcoder | rockstar_: I thought macs were being wintelized |
| 21:01.47 | josuetex | Alguem do Brasil para tirar uma duvida ? |
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| 21:02.18 | eastwood | tem que ser do brasil? |
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| 21:02.36 | streuner_ | !br |
| 21:02.37 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:02.49 | josuetex | desculpa não tenho muita pratica com o inglês .. |
| 21:02.55 | streuner_ | !kurumin |
| 21:02.55 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 21:02.57 | josuetex | Ok |
| 21:03.00 | josuetex | Obrigado |
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| 21:03.49 | Backeman | starfishy: gone? |
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| 21:05.38 | starfishy | Backeman, no, just at work |
| 21:05.53 | starfishy | so interruptions are kinda common |
| 21:06.14 | abrotman | worker! |
| 21:06.22 | starfishy | Backeman, if the dhcp fails eth0 is not configured |
| 21:06.29 | Backeman | starfishy: aha :) Guess your not in europe then? Im in sweden, should get to bed now :) |
| 21:06.50 | Backeman | starfishy: yeah, |
| 21:06.56 | starfishy | Backeman, i am in San Francisco |
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| 21:07.02 | Backeman | starfishy: what time is it? |
| 21:07.07 | starfishy | 2:08PM |
| 21:07.08 | pickcoder | work.. gah.. I get to redo more stuff this weekend. |
| 21:07.27 | Backeman | starfishy: :) its 11:08PM Here :) |
| 21:07.32 | Backeman | starfishy: got any more ideas? |
| 21:07.41 | Backeman | starfishy: as I said, the packages looked the same to me |
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| 21:07.52 | Netsnipe | I heard there was drama? |
| 21:08.02 | abrotman | Netsnipe: the wallops by the gentoo dev ? |
| 21:08.03 | mindbob | Hey guys are there any gui hyper terminal tools? like minicom or hyper terminal for windows? (i know minicom is command line)..>? |
| 21:08.05 | streuner_ | drama? |
| 21:08.13 | Netsnipe | abrotman: heh |
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| 21:08.24 | abrotman | Netsnipe: i wasn't joking ... |
| 21:08.28 | Netsnipe | I just heard someone mention "drama in #debian" |
| 21:08.36 | Netsnipe | so I rushed in hoping to ban someone = ) |
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| 21:08.49 | streuner_ | #d isn't #drama ;-) |
| 21:08.54 | abrotman | Netsnipe: you'd have to ban christel |
| 21:08.59 | streuner_ | haha |
| 21:09.02 | abrotman | that's the only drama i've seen |
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| 21:09.04 | starfishy | Backeman, i think the DHCPDISCOVER packet from your client is missing something, probably the hostname or such |
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| 21:09.11 | blackelf_ | oh my god, drama! |
| 21:09.16 | beardy | Sounds like an op indeed.. |
| 21:09.16 | Netsnipe | bugger...I'm off to #dd and #wikipedia |
| 21:09.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:09.33 | abrotman | at least we know where to find him! |
| 21:09.36 | starfishy | thats why i said, catch the discover packets from both the ifup and the dhclient and compare |
| 21:09.42 | Backeman | starfishy: well, could dhclient fetch the local hostname but ifup don't? |
| 21:09.43 | Netsnipe | I only lured back to kick idiots = ) |
| 21:09.49 | abrotman | Netsnipe: you could .. just .. lurk :) |
| 21:09.49 | Backeman | starfishy: couldn't find any differences |
| 21:09.52 | Trewas | Netsnipe: sounds like you meant #adhd ;) |
| 21:09.55 | starfishy | hm |
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| 21:10.07 | starfishy | and you get an offer for the dhclient but not for the ifup? |
| 21:10.11 | Netsnipe | abrotman: and fill up my harddrive with logs I'll never read? |
| 21:10.16 | Netsnipe | abrotman: bah! |
| 21:10.16 | starfishy | how long does the process take with the dhclient? |
| 21:10.20 | streuner_ | Netsnipe: you are in the wrong channel then ;-) |
| 21:10.34 | Netsnipe | bye everyone |
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| 21:10.39 | abrotman | Netsnipe: just use sussudio's! |
| 21:10.40 | starfishy | we had a slow dhcp server here, ifup timed out sometimes |
| 21:10.47 | Netsnipe | call me when someone needs to be banned |
| 21:10.48 | Netsnipe | = P |
| 21:10.51 | abrotman | thank you |
| 21:11.10 | Backeman | streuner_: well, when it works its over in about 2-3 seconds |
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| 21:11.31 | Backeman | starfishy: gets ip directly |
| 21:11.34 | Backeman | streuner_: sorry about that |
| 21:11.39 | starfishy | weird |
| 21:11.55 | starfishy | and you can see the DHCPOFFER when running dhclient? |
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| 21:12.36 | Backeman | starfishy: well. not when I do it now. I shall do ifconfig eth0 down first. brb |
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| 21:13.26 | Backeman | starfishy: no, dont see any dhcpoffer |
| 21:13.46 | starfishy | then the ethereal log is lacking |
| 21:13.53 | starfishy | you wouldnt receive a DHCP address without a DHCP offer |
| 21:13.59 | Backeman | starfishy: I don't see any in bash either |
| 21:14.19 | Backeman | starfishy: could that be because I haven't "released" the ip? |
| 21:14.28 | Guerin | mindbob: why would you need a gui utility for something which is 100% text-based? |
| 21:14.56 | mindbob | i prefer it |
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| 21:14.58 | starfishy | then you wouldnt see a discover either but a request |
| 21:15.07 | Guerin | mindbob: xterm -e minicom |
| 21:15.10 | Guerin | mindbob: next |
| 21:15.12 | mindbob | lol |
| 21:15.21 | mindbob | i take it as a no then |
| 21:15.22 | Backeman | starfishy: true |
| 21:15.30 | Guerin | mindbob: well, honestly, it's the stupidest thing |
| 21:15.52 | Backeman | starfishy: http://pastebin.com/780110 |
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| 21:16.53 | mindbob | Guerin, to u mayb |
| 21:17.24 | starfishy | wth, "waiting for pastebin.com"? |
| 21:17.37 | Backeman | starfishy: well, it took some time to paste too :( |
| 21:17.41 | Guerin | mindbob: in what way is a gui terminal superior to a text-only terminal? |
| 21:17.57 | Backeman | starfishy: join #flood |
| 21:18.01 | mindbob | nm |
| 21:18.08 | Guerin | that's right |
| 21:18.10 | Guerin | in NO way |
| 21:18.12 | pickcoder | Guerin: just because you think it's pointless doesn't mean it doesn't have a use.. |
| 21:18.20 | Guerin | pickcoder: so name a use. |
| 21:18.51 | pickcoder | Guerin: look at the crap that's made it into the Gnome toolbar. I think most of it is stupid, but apparently a lot of others think it's worth having there. |
| 21:19.49 | Guerin | pickcoder: i'm not talking about gnome, I'm talking about a terminal with fairly specialised uses, which exists to do low-level communication with hardware, not something to tell you the weather or make pretty colours or whatever |
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| 21:20.15 | pickcoder | Guerin: a GUI based terminal client lets you have multiple sessions available in a windowed environment. I see nothing wrong with that, if you _have_ to use a GUI environment. |
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| 21:20.38 | mots | hi |
| 21:20.55 | Guerin | pickcoder: does xterm not allow multiple sessions? Sacre bleu! |
| 21:21.09 | Guerin | all this time I've been using lots of them at one time, without knowing! |
| 21:21.11 | mots | i have some beginner questions |
| 21:21.13 | pickcoder | Guerin: I didn't say it didn't. You wanted a specific example of a GUI preference over command-line |
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| 21:21.25 | Guerin | pickcoder: that's NOT a function of the gui-ness of it. |
| 21:21.28 | mots | how do i add a new user using only the terminal? |
| 21:21.42 | Guerin | mots: adduser |
| 21:21.44 | amphi | mots: man adduser ;) |
| 21:21.47 | mots | oh |
| 21:21.58 | mots | i should have known myself ^^ |
| 21:22.30 | jelly-home | useradd ftw! |
| 21:23.53 | pickcoder | mindbob: there's rumors floating around that AccuSoft is working on an X varient of Accuterm, but it doesn't exist yet. |
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| 21:24.33 | mindbob | ok thanks |
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| 21:25.08 | tonyb2006 | i smell food |
| 21:25.10 | tonyb2006 | :O |
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| 21:26.02 | cydork | !force-feed tonyb2006 |
| 21:26.06 | mindbob | im trying to communicate with my managed switch, using minicom dont seem to work, i plug the cable in... then start minicom, and nothing..? |
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| 21:27.02 | jamie | looking for a consultant to setup jails for fastcgi scripts (php4-cgi, python, perl, etc) |
| 21:27.06 | pickcoder | mindbob: rs232? |
| 21:27.11 | mindbob | yes |
| 21:27.31 | mindbob | with like a network cable plugged into each rs232 plug |
| 21:28.05 | pickcoder | mindbob: are you using a serial port on the box, though |
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| 21:28.45 | jamie | sorry if this is a repeate: looking for a consultant to setup jails for fastcgi/scgi scripts (php4-cgi, python, perl, etc) message me privately if interested |
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| 21:29.10 | mindbob | pickcoder, on the box with minicom installed connected to the rs232 port on the switch |
| 21:29.16 | Guerin | jamie: consultants are available on debian.org/consultants |
| 21:29.29 | jamie | Guerin: thx! |
| 21:29.29 | Guerin | jamie: please don't spam the channel |
| 21:29.33 | jamie | sorry |
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| 21:31.13 | mindbob | pickcoder, any ideas? |
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| 21:32.03 | Backeman | Yay, I found a panpizza which I thought were a cake :P |
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| 21:34.09 | mots | well |
| 21:34.16 | mots | and how do i delete users? |
| 21:34.35 | dabreegster | deluser |
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| 21:35.09 | pickcoder | mindbob: CTRL-A Z to get the menu.. then O to get to serial port setup. Make sure you are using the correct device, baud, parity, etc |
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| 21:36.16 | mindbob | pickcoder, how do i know? i have this 3co switch which i wanna check out..? |
| 21:37.23 | pickcoder | mindbob: I have no idea. google for port settings? |
| 21:37.35 | mindbob | trying |
| 21:38.10 | mindbob | not go tnothing |
| 21:38.11 | mindbob | :| |
| 21:38.33 | mots | two last questions: how do I make an user autologin and how do I make a program start on system start? |
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| 21:39.16 | tonyb2006 | by 'system start' do you mean with X, like a graphical program, upon login, or upon boot, like with a server program |
| 21:39.35 | dabreegster | mots: For the latter, /etc/init.d and an appropriate rc.d script. For the former, do you mean shells or X? |
| 21:39.41 | mots | well |
| 21:40.00 | mots | i want to start freevo on a system without X |
| 21:40.23 | tonyb2006 | oO |
| 21:40.25 | mindbob | pickcoder, i type minicom and it starts up, and hit ctrl+a z and nothing happens as if it hangz |
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| 21:40.52 | mots | btw: which of those output methods work without X, and which is best? |
| 21:40.52 | sewi | hello, any idea when etch will be stable? |
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| 21:41.27 | mots | fbdev , dxr3 , mga , directfb , dfbmga , dga |
| 21:41.38 | peteweez | Hi all. I need a program to check a DVD's integrity and readability. |
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| 21:42.52 | pickcoder | mindbob: are you in X? |
| 21:42.54 | mots | dabreegster: could you give me an example for a script to start freevo? |
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| 21:43.03 | mindbob | pickcoder, yes |
| 21:43.08 | mindbob | no different in console |
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| 21:44.11 | dabreegster | mots: I'm not sure what freevo is, so no, sorry. |
| 21:44.37 | mots | dabreegster: freevo.sf.net |
| 21:44.50 | pickcoder | mindbob: I dunno. check TERM in env |
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| 21:45.06 | mots | and which of the output methods i mentioned above works best without X? |
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| 21:45.57 | abrotman | lilo: did you send her to #mandriva for punishment? |
| 21:46.05 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:46.09 | eXiSt | :) |
| 21:46.21 | mindbob | root@eloise:/home/dusty# env | grep TERM |
| 21:46.21 | mindbob | TERM=xterm |
| 21:46.21 | mindbob | COLORTERM= |
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| 21:46.58 | pickcoder | mindbob: Make sure you don't have CTRL-A key bindings in xterm |
| 21:48.07 | mindbob | how do i check |
| 21:48.30 | mindbob | 9600 baud, no parity and 8 bit, is the settings |
| 21:48.33 | mindbob | i just found out |
| 21:48.40 | mindbob | not sure howto make it work tho |
| 21:48.53 | pickcoder | mindbob: I don't use xterm. Try the menu for xterm. |
| 21:49.55 | mindbob | i cant see anything for bindings |
| 21:50.12 | pickcoder | Key mapping / binding |
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| 21:51.02 | mindbob | nope :( |
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| 21:53.26 | Vladi | hi, what is the best way to give someone sudo permissions to a single init.d script to start stop restart etc..? |
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| 22:13.35 | J_P | hi all |
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| 22:14.35 | J_P | people, how I remove grub from MBR of the disk ? in DOS I know that I can do : fdisk /mbr. But I am using linux, how do I ? |
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| 22:15.02 | Guerin | J_P: you don't remove an mbr, you create another one over the top, but I don't see why you'd want to |
| 22:15.07 | gre123 | hi |
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| 22:15.28 | gre123 | i finally got on debian but video is terrible like 4 bit |
| 22:15.34 | gre123 | how do i fix that? |
| 22:15.46 | Guerin | J_P: but dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdx bs=512 count=1 should do |
| 22:15.57 | J_P | Guerin: tes, thank you :-) |
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| 22:16.55 | boss | could someone recommend proxy like monitoring software, basically ive been asked to audit usage per station, any recommendations? |
| 22:17.56 | kuribas | I just upgraded XServer stuff, and now several applications are crashing! (windowmaker and xemacs). |
| 22:17.57 | gre123 | how do i fix my screen? |
| 22:19.34 | gre123 | how to i chane my screen seetings? |
| 22:19.56 | gre123 | do* settings* |
| 22:20.04 | gre123 | change* |
| 22:20.37 | redrain | gre123: What you mean with settings? |
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| 22:20.49 | Guerin | boss: what do you need to monitor? data, or content? |
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| 22:21.59 | kuribas | Can I downgrade packages? |
| 22:22.14 | gre123 | i want to change it from 4 bit to 24bit |
| 22:22.21 | gre123 | or 32bit |
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| 22:22.56 | boss | Guerin, specifically web sites visited and im, i think the boss would like to draw up myspace pages and see why nothing is getting done, per ip, or user |
| 22:22.57 | gre123 | how do i do that? |
| 22:23.04 | redrain | gre123: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:23.17 | boss | Guerin, hope that clarifies |
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| 22:23.55 | kuribas | Why does xserver-xorg break several packages? |
| 22:23.55 | werdna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.24 | phogg | werdna: Sun hasn't dominated for a decade and more. |
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| 22:24.47 | werdna | phogg, huh? |
| 22:24.55 | phogg | and Humans was a very obscure DOS game from years ago. It dominated nothing. |
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| 22:25.30 | werdna | whoa snap, never heard of Humans |
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| 22:28.15 | werdna | phogg, how do you reason the sun hasn't dominated? |
| 22:28.17 | phogg | werdna: fun little puzzle game that probably 5 people remember |
| 22:28.32 | phogg | werdna: Sun, the UNIX company. |
| 22:29.28 | werdna | LOL |
| 22:29.36 | kuribas | werdna: not only the energy from the sun, also the oxigen from the sea and the forests, and the nutrients from our food and drinking water. |
| 22:29.56 | tonyb2006 | The Humans - a game published by gametek in 1992 |
| 22:30.31 | werdna | phogg, I like the way you think, quite eccentric |
| 22:30.57 | phogg | tonyb2006: you remember, or you google? |
| 22:31.03 | tonyb2006 | wikipedia |
| 22:31.07 | phogg | same diff |
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| 22:31.16 | tonyb2006 | d: |
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| 22:31.48 | phogg | I have a copy on 5.25 floppies! |
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| 22:32.17 | kuribas | Has anyone else have had problems with the xserver-xorg packages? |
| 22:32.21 | nvz | phogg: you know you are old when you still got data on 8" floppies |
| 22:32.33 | kuribas | It has totally broken my current setup. |
| 22:32.58 | phogg | nvz: I'm not that old (-: |
| 22:32.58 | pickcoder | nvz: you know you are old when you remember using punch cards |
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| 22:33.07 | pickcoder | nvz: luckily I don't remember them |
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| 22:33.24 | nvz | pickcoder: heh yeah I work with a woman who says she first worked on a computer the size of a whole room that took punch cards |
| 22:33.43 | nvz | pickcoder: crazy thing is she got a daughter that is younger than me |
| 22:33.52 | pickcoder | nvz: O_o |
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| 22:34.44 | J_P | Guerin: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 remove my partition table too, now I do fdisk -l sdb and show nothing of partition... |
| 22:35.29 | Lovecraft | Where would I find a list of things on the local system I could configure with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 22:36.11 | nvz | man I cant wait to get rid of this cat and fleas and clean my house I dont even like being here anymore |
| 22:36.42 | J_P | Guerin: anyone sugestion ? |
| 22:36.46 | pickcoder | nvz: the oldest stuff I've worked with has to be an old memorex-telex mainframe port controller |
| 22:36.53 | nvz | I'd rather live with my parents than with fleas |
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| 22:37.56 | kuribas | debian sucks |
| 22:39.06 | Mike_kayaker_ | kuribas: and y? |
| 22:39.36 | Adrian949 | so why can't I apt-get remove php4? |
| 22:40.03 | redrain | Adrian: What error it gives? |
| 22:40.22 | kuribas | Mike_kayaker_: because it has just destroyed my setup, upgrading XServer-xorg has made windowmaker and xemacs useless. |
| 22:40.58 | kuribas | They both crash when I try to start them. |
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| 22:43.46 | Adrian949 | redrain: it's a php apache thing |
| 22:44.07 | Adrian949 | redrain: I installed php 5 but apache is still going to php4 |
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| 22:44.54 | pickcoder | Adrian949: do you get dependency notices for PHP4? |
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| 22:49.48 | Thanatermesis | is planned to upgrade the version of xorg before to release the next stable ? |
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| 22:54.50 | Adrian949 | pickcoder: I got pgp4 off but now php is not working |
| 22:55.25 | Adrian949 | I did apt-get --purge remove libapache2-mod-php4 && apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:56.20 | pickcoder | Adrian949: dpkg-reconfigure php5 ? |
| 22:56.44 | ootput | Regarding apt-move, altering DIST in apt-move.conf doesn't appear (-t) to create separate directories for different releases. I've got a repo running for a sarge box via an nfs mount that's served by a local webserver. I'm considering creating another repo for an etch box within that same nfs mount, but as the test run doesn't show a different release directory, I'm wary of any potential clobbering. For those of you with multiple-repo setups, will ... |
| 22:56.51 | ootput | ... clobbering occur? |
| 22:57.10 | Lovecraft | So, where would I find a list of things on the local system I could configure with dpkg-reconfigure? Any ideas? |
| 22:57.33 | Adrian949 | : I got some left over php4 crap |
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| 22:58.23 | Adrian949 | pickcoder"php5 is not isntalled" |
| 22:58.25 | Cooner750 | Why is my audio so scratchy when playing MP3s? |
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| 22:58.50 | pickcoder | Adrian949: then install it |
| 22:59.24 | Adrian949 | I ran apt-get install libapache2 |
| 22:59.37 | pickcoder | Adrian949: don't you need PHP5 in order to use libapach2-php5? |
| 22:59.47 | pickcoder | Adrian949: <g> |
| 23:00.06 | Malagmyr | Are there any tools available to automatically pull the logs off of my 3com wireless access point? Might be a bit far-fetched, but such a tool really would have been nice... |
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| 23:01.13 | pickcoder | Lovecraft: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:01.14 | neoxite | hi, does the iptables ipsec policy module (ipt_policy) in etch work for anyone here? |
| 23:01.46 | Malagmyr | oh god. |
| 23:01.49 | pickcoder | Lovecraft: dpkg -l |
| 23:01.51 | Adrian949 | I got php5 |
| 23:01.54 | Malagmyr | lovecraft. the memories! argh! |
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| 23:03.50 | Adrian949 | fruck |
| 23:04.04 | GoCooL | what's the reason for this "unkown device" when issuing an lspci command? |
| 23:04.40 | GoCooL | this is causing loads of problems getting my X windows to work |
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| 23:05.03 | Martini | hello |
| 23:05.10 | Martini | i got a problem |
| 23:05.13 | Martini | cc1: error: code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode |
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| 23:05.18 | Martini | how can i fix that |
| 23:05.23 | Malagmyr | GoCooL: afaik, that'd be an unknown component in your system which id is not in the table lspci is trying to look it up in. |
| 23:05.44 | J_P | Guerin: are you here ? |
| 23:05.55 | Malagmyr | GoCooL: last time I had that problem I just went through every other entry in the lspci list and figured out what wasn't there |
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| 23:06.27 | j4cbo | is it a bad idea to do an install directly onto a cf card? |
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| 23:06.54 | GoCooL | Malagmyr: I don;t understand, how again do i fix it? |
| 23:07.52 | Malagmyr | GoCooL: if i'm right about what's causing it... and nobody seems to object... you just have to figure out what device it is and install the proper drivers for it. try setting lspci to a more verbose mode. |
| 23:08.19 | Malagmyr | (-v or -vv) |
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| 23:08.31 | tonyb2006 | j4cbo: if its on a cf card i'd use debootstrap or somthing i guess..dunno what you mean |
| 23:08.45 | j4cbo | well, i have a cf-ide adapter |
| 23:08.53 | j4cbo | so it shows up to the system as an ide disk |
| 23:08.59 | GoCooL | Malagmyr: yeah, that makes sense. I'm not sure how to install the proper drivers for it, the device in question is an ATI Radeon X600 grahics card |
| 23:09.04 | tonyb2006 | j4cbo: if the disk is big enough, i see no problem |
| 23:09.10 | Malagmyr | !ati |
| 23:09.10 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver |
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| 23:09.41 | GoCooL | is 3.1 sarge? |
| 23:10.19 | abrotman | GoCooL: yes |
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| 23:10.56 | Malagmyr | GoCooL: if you recently installed your system, and you haven't messed around with /etc/apt/sources.list, chances are you're still running it, too! (don't "upgrade") |
| 23:11.32 | dennisharrison_A | anyone here know how to get rid of half installed packages in apt-get? |
| 23:11.34 | Martini | what do i need for 64bit debian sarge ? |
| 23:11.42 | Martini | beside the kernel |
| 23:11.43 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 23:11.48 | dennisharrison_A | I can't remove gpar2 no matter how hard I try |
| 23:11.49 | Malagmyr | dennisharrison_A: apt-get clean ? |
| 23:11.52 | abrotman | Martini: pure64 |
| 23:12.35 | Martini | abrotman: ? |
| 23:12.37 | dennisharrison_A | yeah it tells me that the program is in a very bad inconsistent state when I try to dpkg -P gpar2 |
| 23:12.45 | Martini | abrotman: i cannot find it |
| 23:12.48 | abrotman | find what ? |
| 23:12.50 | Martini | abrotman: is it a package ? |
| 23:12.53 | Martini | pure64 |
| 23:12.58 | Martini | i got the kernel installed |
| 23:13.02 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: and what happens when you try to installi t ? |
| 23:13.12 | dennisharrison_A | let me get exact error |
| 23:13.15 | dennisharrison_A | hold on one sec |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | Martini: no .. pure64 is amd64 .. everyything is 64bit |
| 23:13.18 | dennisharrison_A | E: The package gpar2 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it |
| 23:13.19 | J_P | Anyone know why dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 remove my partition table too, now I do fdisk -l sdb and show nothing of partition ? Becouse I would like replace only grub with "nothing"... |
| 23:13.30 | Malagmyr | Quick! He's getting the exact error! Everyone leave! |
| 23:13.33 | Malagmyr | damn, too late |
| 23:13.40 | Martini | abrotman: i don't get it |
| 23:13.50 | Martini | abrotman: i got a 64 bit kernel and a athlon 64 |
| 23:13.58 | J_P | I not have important data in tahat dh, is only test, But I would like know why replace table partition too.. |
| 23:14.02 | abrotman | do you have 64bit userland? |
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| 23:14.03 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 23:14.03 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 23:14.15 | Malagmyr | Martini: I think he means you should download the 64-bit installation and use that instead |
| 23:14.15 | Martini | abrotman: 64bit base sys ? |
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| 23:14.31 | Malagmyr | Martini: So every single program is compiled for 64 bits |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | he hsould only download it if he needs it |
| 23:14.36 | Martini | Malagmyr: there is no 64 bit installation for sarge ? |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | there are apps that dont' work in pure64 |
| 23:14.45 | abrotman | !tell Martini about amd64 |
| 23:15.14 | Malagmyr | well, there's no problem running 64bit on just the kernel and whatever runs slow anyway, is there? |
| 23:15.51 | Martini | Malagmyr: i thought that |
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| 23:16.02 | Malagmyr | keep thinking that |
| 23:16.05 | Martini | Malagmyr: i need a 64bit capable gcc is my problem |
| 23:16.12 | Martini | Malagmyr: for compiling a nivida kernel module |
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| 23:16.37 | Martini | i got a pci express graphics card which dosn't work |
| 23:16.37 | GoCooL | i tried the directions specified in http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt and it bombs in the 'm-a a-i fglrx' step |
| 23:16.54 | eonox | how can i cd to a directory that contains a space? |
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| 23:17.09 | Malagmyr | Martini: try adding a 64-bit repository to apt, perhaps? i don't own a 64-bit cpu, so i wouldn't know |
| 23:17.29 | abrotman | you can't do that |
| 23:17.32 | redrain | eonox: cd cd\ name ? |
| 23:17.36 | J_P | Anyone can help to explaim me with that dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 remove my partition table too ? |
| 23:17.39 | tonyb2006 | !tell me about amd64 |
| 23:18.03 | Malagmyr | GoCooL: have you done m-a prepare? what kernel are you running? |
| 23:18.04 | j4cbo | J_P: it will, since the bootloader and partition table both go in the first sector |
| 23:18.12 | Malagmyr | GoCooL: and what error are you getting? |
| 23:18.22 | huhlig | moo |
| 23:18.31 | Malagmyr | !moo |
| 23:18.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:18.37 | J_P | j4cbo: So how I do for replace only grub, and not table both ? |
| 23:18.50 | GoCooL | yeah, i did, uname -a - Linux 2.6.17.6 |
| 23:18.51 | j4cbo | J_P: what do you want to replace it with? |
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| 23:19.58 | Malagmyr | 2.6.17? is that even in sarge yet? |
| 23:20.02 | J_P | j4cbo: anythink... /dev/zero... for edample.. only for taht hd not boot when it are alone in some machine understand ? |
| 23:20.10 | GoCooL | Malagmyr: this is one of the lines from the logs - /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:202: error: syntax error before string constant |
| 23:20.37 | J_P | j4cbo: taht hd is bootable, entire debian, but I would like use yoiur patition, but not boot by it.. |
| 23:20.42 | J_P | j4cbo: understand ? |
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| 23:21.20 | j4cbo | J_P: yeah |
| 23:22.13 | J_P | j4cbo: so, how is possible do that ? |
| 23:22.48 | j4cbo | i think using bs=384 instead of bs=512 will leave the partition table intact, but i'm not sure |
| 23:22.52 | j4cbo | make a backup first |
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| 23:24.42 | J_P | j4cbo: is only hd for test.. not data to lost :-) |
| 23:24.54 | J_P | j4cbo: I will be test that too = 384 |
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| 23:25.53 | abrotman | Malagmyr: of course it's not in sarge |
| 23:26.19 | tuxedup | When compiling a kde application, is it possible to define where documentation should be placed. What would I need to prefix to the make command in order to do this? |
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| 23:27.07 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to find a package in debian that contains glibc.info... |
| 23:27.31 | abrotman | tuxedup: probably .. ask #kde or the developer |
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| 23:27.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg search ? |
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| 23:28.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i tried pdo.. nothing |
| 23:28.25 | abrotman | it's an info page? |
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| 23:28.41 | SerajewelKS | presumably |
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| 23:30.05 | SerajewelKS | or is it usr/share/doc-base/glibc-manual? |
| 23:30.16 | abrotman | that sounds good |
| 23:32.18 | SerajewelKS | in short, i'm trying to write to a /proc/n/mem node (while ptrace-attached) and FileStream is throwing an exception when i *close* it, while it's flushing. |
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| 23:33.09 | SerajewelKS | and someone said to see the manual, and look for environment variables |
| 23:33.16 | SerajewelKS | so now i'm a little confused |
| 23:33.46 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: stop .. you're making my head hurt |
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| 23:34.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: mine too |
| 23:34.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:34.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: "Unhandled Exception: System.IO.IOException: Win32 IO returned 25. Path: /proc/18335/mem" doesn't help me a whole lot =/ |
| 23:34.38 | abrotman | which man page? |
| 23:34.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: man page of what? |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: uhm .. wrong OS ? |
| 23:34.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: uhm, no? |
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| 23:35.12 | abrotman | Win32 ? |
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| 23:35.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: apparently the mono people use a win32 io compatibility layer to make ports to windows easier |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | oh |
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| 23:36.18 | abrotman | maybe that process doesn't exist ? |
| 23:36.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and it doesn't give very good error messages |
| 23:36.46 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you mean except that i'm staring at it? and if it didn't, it would die when i open the file, not close it |
| 23:37.25 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: can you cat that file ? |
| 23:37.26 | GoCooL | is there a mailing list for issues with compiling the fglrx driver for debian? |
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| 23:37.27 | dennisharrison_A | when dpkg is asking for a action options when I force-remove-reinstreq , what does it want? |
| 23:37.41 | abrotman | what is the error ? |
| 23:37.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not from the terminal, no, you need to be attached with ptrace. but my program can, yes. |
| 23:37.59 | berzerka | hello. dont get my midi-input working. using alsa driver for cmi8738 card. cat /dev/snd/midiC0D0 should show something on midi-input? |
| 23:38.23 | GoCooL | abrotman: this is one of the lines from the logs - /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:202: error: syntax error before string constant |
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| 23:38.43 | abrotman | what logs ? |
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| 23:39.42 | GoCooL | abrotman: /var/cache/modass/fglrx-kernel-src.buildlog.2.6.17.6 |
| 23:40.05 | abrotman | well golly .. maybe the fglrx source is broken ? |
| 23:40.08 | abrotman | check the BTS |
| 23:40.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm now this is getting weirder |
| 23:40.37 | GoCooL | what's BTS? sorry, I'm very bad with acronyms :) |
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| 23:41.08 | berzerka | uh, if i do cat /dev/snd/controlC0 i get 'file descriptor in bad state'... that sounds bad. |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: did a bear just look in your window too ? |
| 23:41.19 | abrotman | !tell GoCooL about bts |
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| 23:43.05 | shew | Speaking of BTS =? Bug Tracking System: http://bugs.debian.org/ , does anyone know anything about the sendmail-security-updates-won't-install-on-sarge problem of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384480 ? (It's kind of curious that a security bug has existed unadressed for almost a week now.) |
| 23:43.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no but someone just walked by my door |
| 23:43.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you should close your dorm room door |
| 23:45.07 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: okay i'm an idiot |
| 23:45.08 | dennisharrison_A | when I do dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq remove gpar2 |
| 23:45.14 | dennisharrison_A | its the same as doing dpkg |
| 23:45.35 | dennisharrison_A | I get dpkg:need an action option |
| 23:45.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: because you couldn't figure out the door ? |
| 23:45.52 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: what is the error when you try to install it ? |
| 23:46.02 | abrotman | oh! |
| 23:46.02 | dennisharrison_A | from what? |
| 23:46.10 | dennisharrison_A | the deb file or dpkg ? |
| 23:46.13 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: find the package .. reinstall it |
| 23:46.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no no... i was using absolute addresses one place and map-relative addresses in another |
| 23:46.21 | dennisharrison_A | ok let me pastebin it |
| 23:46.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: so it was writing to some random spot in the mem file, probably one not mapped |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: where did you get gpar2 ? |
| 23:46.47 | dennisharrison_A | err ... can't remember |
| 23:47.01 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: apt-cache policy gpar2 |
| 23:47.10 | dennisharrison_A | its been like over a month since I tried to install anything |
| 23:47.10 | dennisharrison_A | ok |
| 23:47.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i guess it died since the c# FileStream buffers and it didn't actually try to write until it was closed |
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| 23:47.51 | dennisharrison_A | it gives me the installed version |
| 23:48.04 | dennisharrison_A | and the path to the dpkg status file |
| 23:48.23 | dennisharrison_A | should I just be able to remove the reference to it in the status file? |
| 23:48.30 | dennisharrison_A | or will it be somewhere else also? |
| 23:48.37 | dennisharrison_A | because I don't care about left over files at this point |
| 23:48.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: in a word, BOOM |
| 23:49.00 | abrotman | boom ? |
| 23:49.09 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: that's one way to do it |
| 23:49.16 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: the better way is to remove it |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | erm .. reinstall it |
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| 23:50.04 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well, you write in /proc/n/mem where there's no map, and something has to happen... |
| 23:50.05 | dennisharrison_A | I get dependency errors when trying to reinstall it |
| 23:50.14 | dennisharrison_A | so I don't think thats the ticket |
| 23:50.18 | abrotman | like hwat? |
| 23:50.22 | abrotman | apt-get -f install says what ? |
| 23:50.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: like an exception |
| 23:50.29 | dennisharrison_A | ok lemme check |
| 23:50.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you're not following very well here... =) |
| 23:50.52 | dennisharrison_A | E: The package gpar2 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it |
| 23:50.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you did something you're not supposed to do .. and you didn't use a try/catch .. you broke shit |
| 23:51.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well i'm still writing it, why would i want to catch anything right now |
| 23:51.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: so it doesn't fall on the floor and go BOOM! |
| 23:51.33 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:51.50 | abrotman | dennisharrison_A: you need to find that package .. |
| 23:51.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: if something bad happens my catch would do the same thing: exit and show the trace. and probably display a mushroom cloud. |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | try apt-get.org |
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| 23:52.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: crappy catch |
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| 23:53.31 | dennisharrison_A | abrotman I have the deb here in my home dir |
| 23:53.50 | abrotman | dpkg -i <.deb file> |
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| 23:53.52 | CHodapp | apt-get wants to remove a madwifi-modules package that it just created... I don't want it to, because the installation is fine and I need the files. How can I tell it that it's been removed? |
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| 23:54.13 | dennisharrison_A | it says the unmet dependancy is gnome-desktop-data |
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| 23:54.18 | abrotman | now apt-get -f install |
| 23:54.32 | dennisharrison_A | ok |
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| 23:54.59 | stranger_stone | Hello |
| 23:55.12 | dennisharrison_A | ... @(*#&$ |
| 23:55.14 | dennisharrison_A | same error |
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| 23:55.25 | dennisharrison_A | E: The package gpar2 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | same error which error? i think we're up to about three :) |
| 23:55.32 | dennisharrison_A | hehe |
| 23:55.35 | CHodapp | alternately, how can I tell it that madwifi-tools is installed? |
| 23:55.57 | dennisharrison_A | thats with apt-get -f install gpar2_0.3-1_i386.deb |
| 23:56.05 | CHodapp | I need to fix this or apt-get will refuse to install anything... |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | no package .. jsut apt-get -f install |
| 23:56.46 | abrotman | !tell CHodapp about equivs |
| 23:56.47 | dennisharrison_A | same thing |
| 23:56.55 | abrotman | paste the whole thing somewhere |
| 23:57.16 | dennisharrison_A | abrotman, me paste it somewhere? |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:57.45 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 23:59.01 | Daveman | evening, abrotman |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:59.22 | abrotman | dude .. don't you stay still ? |
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