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`00:00.22`	`*** join/#debian dsop (n=dsp@p549663EC.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:00.53`	`Daveman`	`Excuse me?`
`00:01.09`	`abrotman`	`weren't you just in CA ?`
`00:01.24`	`Daveman`	`yes?`
`00:01.29`	`abrotman`	`and now you're not ?`
`00:01.44`	`Daveman`	`so?`
`00:01.44`	`Daveman`	`You want to make something of it? :P`
`00:01.45`	`abrotman`	`just making sure .. carry on :)`
`00:01.45`	`Malagmyr`	`I DO!`
`00:01.51`	`Daveman`	`heh ;)`
`00:01.52`	`dennisharrison_A`	`abrotman, how can I copy text out of the install package script window?`
`00:01.59`	`abrotman`	`highlight it`
`00:01.59`	`dennisharrison_A`	`control c closes it`
`00:02.06`	`dennisharrison_A`	`yeah its not doing it`
`00:02.12`	`dennisharrison_A`	`shift insert is paste`
`00:02.15`	`Malagmyr`	`Just highlight it. Middle mouse to paste`
`00:02.16`	`dennisharrison_A`	`whats the alt for copy?`
`00:02.17`	`dennisharrison_A`	`ok`
`00:02.20`	`abrotman`	`are you using putty?`
`00:02.41`	`Malagmyr`	`and if you're on putty.. right mouse`
`00:02.52`	`dennisharrison_A`	`newp`
`00:02.53`	`dennisharrison_A`	`ok middle mouse did it for me`
`00:02.55`	`dennisharrison_A`	`thanks ;p`
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`00:03.32`	`dennisharrison_A`	`I really apreciate you taking a look at this`
`00:03.48`	`dennisharrison_A`	`just trying to get some custom archetypes setup for plone`
`00:03.54`	`dennisharrison_A`	`and I am kinda under the gun`
`00:04.05`	`dennisharrison_A`	`this is a crappy problem to have when a deadline is approaching`
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`00:04.12`	`dennisharrison_A`	`and im new to linux`
`00:04.15`	`dennisharrison_A`	`I do like kubuntu though`
`00:04.17`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`00:04.24`	`dennisharrison_A`	`http://pastebin.com/780242`
`00:04.25`	`slackgen`	`What is the /etc/modules.conf in debian?`
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`00:04.42`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: /etc/modules.conf`
`00:04.47`	`slackgen`	`i dont have it...`
`00:04.48`	`abrotman`	`dennisharrison_A: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1 .. what does it say ?`
`00:04.48`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: strange, but true.`
`00:05.02`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: and what do you do on unix when you don't have a config file?`
`00:05.10`	`slackgen`	`make one...`
`00:05.15`	`Guerin`	`!beer slackgen`
`00:05.27`	`dennisharrison_A`	`2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data`
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`00:05.33`	`Guerin`	`dennisharrison_A: #ubuntu`
`00:05.34`	`abrotman`	`dennisharrison_A: you must now go to #ubuntu`
`00:05.36`	`GoCooL`	`i'm getting some unmet dependencies when i trued to install something using dpkg, i don;t want to continue with the installation, how do I fix these errors?`
`00:05.53`	`Guerin`	`GoCooL: aptitude -f install;`
`00:05.57`	`dennisharrison_A`	`alright`
`00:06.00`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, thanks.`
`00:06.04`	`dennisharrison_A`	`any particular reason? ;p`
`00:06.06`	`Guerin`	`GoCooL: or just dpkg -P packages`
`00:06.13`	`Guerin`	`dennisharrison_A: debian is not ubuntu?`
`00:06.14`	`dennisharrison_A`	`this is an install of kubuntu`
`00:06.16`	`abrotman`	`dennisharrison_A: ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu are NOT debian`
`00:06.28`	`GoCooL`	`Guerin: doesn't dpkg -f install force install the packages?`
`00:06.29`	`Guerin`	`debian should change its name to dinu`
`00:06.30`	`dennisharrison_A`	`ok got ya`
`00:06.33`	`abrotman`	`CHodapp: duh . .it's not free`
`00:06.38`	`Guerin`	`GoCooL: i didn't tell you to use dpkg -f`
`00:06.53`	`dennisharrison_A`	`but they don't know anything in there ;p`
`00:06.55`	`abrotman`	`CHodapp: the FAQ even says that`
`00:06.58`	`CHodapp`	`abrotman, can't the support be compiled in, without actually including the module?`
`00:06.59`	`dennisharrison_A`	`thanks for the help though abrotman`
`00:07.03`	`abrotman`	`dennisharrison_A: we don't know anything about kubuntu`
`00:07.08`	`dennisharrison_A`	`not the only ones`
`00:07.10`	`abrotman`	`CHodapp: you'd have to ask the maintainer`
`00:07.11`	`dennisharrison_A`	`haha`
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`00:07.50`	`*** join/#debian povrayIsAwesome (n=lolol@ACB07238.ipt.aol.com)`
`00:08.04`	`SerajewelKS`	`i don't suppose anyone else in here knows how to write to /proc/n/mem (already ptracing the process)`
`00:08.22`	`SerajewelKS`	`and the map i'm writing to is writable`
`00:08.28`	`abrotman`	`atomsmasher`
`00:08.31`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`ey ALTAAA ick hab grad n UFO gesehen und so!`
`00:08.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`or a channel that would know, since ##linux doesn't`
`00:08.53`	`abrotman`	`is that german ?`
`00:08.58`	`abrotman`	`or tardese ?`
`00:09.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`povrayIsAwesome: english`
`00:09.17`	`CHodapp`	`you know, there is #povray`
`00:09.35`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`what the hell? english?`
`00:09.44`	`abrotman`	`CHodapp: maybe he wants to know about debian`
`00:09.50`	`Guerin`	`povrayIsAwesome: English, motherfucker, do you speak it?`
`00:09.51`	`abrotman`	`povrayIsAwesome: do you have a language you prefer ?`
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`00:10.37`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, it didn't work.`
`00:10.47`	`Guerin`	`!didn't work`
`00:10.47`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".`
`00:10.52`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`sudo make me a meal`
`00:11.03`	`slackgen`	`i was ABOUT to post the error`
`00:11.03`	`abrotman`	`povrayIsAwesome: do you have a debian question ?`
`00:11.07`	`slackgen`	`jeez.`
`00:11.12`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`jeez`
`00:11.18`	`CHodapp`	`!offensivewords`
`00:11.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`is a upgrade of xorg previsted for the release ?`
`00:11.27`	`slackgen`	`jeez is offensive?`
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`00:11.30`	`slackgen`	`im sorry.`
`00:11.33`	`CHodapp`	`!apologies`
`00:11.34`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, apologies is beer`
`00:11.34`	`Guerin`	`!swearing`
`00:11.34`	`dpkg`	`somebody said swearing was Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker`
`00:11.44`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device`
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`00:12.01`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, BUT it should be a device if the modules.conf worked`
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`00:12.07`	`Ronin`	`man if jeez is offensive abrotman and i better stop typing`
`00:12.08`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: you don't have a piece of hardware which needs that module`
`00:12.09`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`I need some hacks for counter-strike`
`00:12.13`	`abrotman`	`wrong channel`
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`00:12.21`	`Guerin`	`povrayIsAwesome: ask in #imafuckingretard`
`00:12.31`	`slackgen`	`povrayIsAwesome, www.zerogamers.com`
`00:12.37`	`slackgen`	`povrayIsAwesome, now go away`
`00:12.45`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`now go kacken oO`
`00:12.57`	`abrotman`	`do they sell AOL in other countries?`
`00:13.03`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: yes.`
`00:13.08`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: yep they need coasters too`
`00:13.15`	`abrotman`	`and it's still aol.com for hostname ?`
`00:13.30`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: dunno`
`00:13.39`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, i SWEAR i do`
`00:13.46`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`niggars in da house?`
`00:13.51`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: does lspci say so?`
`00:13.56`	`abrotman`	`!ops please remove povrayIsAwesome`
`00:13.56`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: please remove povrayIsAwesome`
`00:13.56`	`slackgen`	`ISA`
`00:13.57`	`Ronin`	`povrayIsAwesome: are you trying to get kicked?`
`00:14.17`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, its isa`
`00:14.23`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: oh dear`
`00:14.28`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, heh`
`00:14.33`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`watt da kak?`
`00:15.03`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: ok, do you have resources it's set to use? You need to specify those on the command line.`
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`00:15.26`	`abrotman`	`shocker ..`
`00:15.31`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, ehhmmm... I have a howto made for gentoo, and it works in gentoo....`
`00:15.38`	`RichiH`	`povrayIsAwesome: please stop.. :)`
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`00:15.46`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, if I give you the URL for the howto can you step me through it`
`00:15.56`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, (converting it to work in debian)`
`00:16.10`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, http://home.nedlinux.nl/~bart/?page=11`
`00:16.20`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: with an isa device, you either need to hope that isapnp works, which it rarely does, or you need to know the resource settings for it (you can get these using pnpdump, i think).`
`00:16.27`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: try...`
`00:16.32`	`Guerin`	`!alsa for morons`
`00:16.42`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`00:16.49`	`abrotman`	`!alsa one-liner ?`
`00:16.49`	`dpkg`	`alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer`
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`00:17.04`	`Guerin`	`that's not the damn factoid which is any use here`
`00:17.12`	`abrotman`	`hey .. i tried!`
`00:17.18`	`abrotman`	`that's more than canada has ever done!`
`00:17.25`	`dvs`	`damn right!`
`00:17.30`	`Guerin`	`the fucking political correctness fascists have deleted the one which actually works`
`00:17.30`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`hummeee g�gl�l� g�� giaaa humme kubaana! ubuntu k!`
`00:17.39`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: ?`
`00:17.46`	`Guerin`	`!listkeys 4) hope`
`00:17.47`	`RichiH`	`abrotman: !`
`00:17.48`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of '4) hope' by key returned no results.`
`00:17.51`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, oh. my.`
`00:17.57`	`abrotman`	`RichiH: !!`
`00:18.04`	`abrotman`	`I'm not your damn csh prompt!`
`00:18.06`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`muhuahuhauhauhauhihihih ihr wichsoooor`
`00:18.06`	`*** kick/#debian [povrayIsAwesome!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)`
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`00:18.08`	`dvs`	`I was right! There is no hope!`
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`00:18.18`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, ermm... im sorry but i just noticed that I booted into my ubuntu partition.....`
`00:18.22`	`Ronin`	`everyone who didnt see that come give me an amen`
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`00:18.27`	`povrayIsAwesome`	`muhuahuhauhauhauhihihih ihr wichsoooor`
`00:18.29`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !n=lolol@*.ipt.aol.com] by RichiH`
`00:18.29`	`*** kick/#debian [povrayIsAwesome!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] by RichiH (RichiH)`
`00:18.30`	`abrotman`	`or that coming ?`
`00:18.33`	`Ronin`	`heh`
`00:18.38`	`abrotman`	`!beer RichiH`
`00:18.39`	`Guerin`	`slackgen: rrrr`
`00:18.42`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, So... sorry about that`
`00:18.47`	`slackgen`	`Guerin, KINDA wasting your time`
`00:18.48`	`RichiH`	`de nada`
`00:18.54`	`Ronin`	`right now whered i leave my beer?`
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`00:19.09`	`abrotman`	`Ronin: in the snow?`
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`00:19.35`	`cafuego`	`slackgen: Guerins time is cheap. No worries.`
`00:19.41`	`dvs`	`heh`
`00:19.51`	`slackgen`	`wonderful!`
`00:19.54`	`Guerin`	`cafuego: so true`
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`00:20.51`	`eXiSt`	`where the iptables code directory at debian`
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`00:21.03`	`marco__`	`does the debian installer support installing to a firewire external HD?`
`00:21.05`	`abrotman`	`whereever you put it .. read /usr/share/doc/iptables/*`
`00:21.05`	`Guerin`	`eXiSt: /etc/guess`
`00:21.27`	`joed`	`question - urandom beed around lately?`
`00:21.39`	`Guerin`	`!seen urandom`
`00:21.40`	`dpkg`	`urandom <n=eevans@cpe-67-11-141-113.satx.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 357d 22h 18m 37s ago, saying: 'concept10: try uptime'.`
`00:21.49`	`dvs`	`almost a year`
`00:22.01`	`joed`	`Guerin which I know is false.`
`00:22.03`	`joed`	`:)`
`00:22.10`	`joed`	`Just checking channels.`
`00:22.13`	`Guerin`	`joed: you gets what you pays for`
`00:22.18`	`RichiH`	`joed: seenserv`
`00:22.22`	`RichiH`	`joed: and nickserv`
`00:22.26`	`Guerin`	`joed: that's only for channels where dpkg lives`
`00:22.28`	`joed`	`thanks guys and stay with the rm -Rf /*`
`00:22.38`	`joed`	`:)`
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`00:22.54`	`RichiH`	`the * is useless`
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`00:23.07`	`RichiH`	`unless you have dotfiles in root you would like to keep, that is`
`00:23.14`	`abrotman`	`and hitting shift to make "R" is just silly`
`00:23.25`	`joed`	`RichiH, redundnacy when you wipe a filesystem is pretty redundant I agree.`
`00:23.49`	`RichiH`	`joed: you will not wipe it. you will let any dotfiles and dotdirs live`
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`00:24.21`	`joed`	`:) It's enough to not boot and as a catchy leave I tought it was enough.`
`00:24.36`	`joed`	`On your machine I'd dd from /dev/null?`
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`00:25.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 530] by debhelper`
`00:25.10`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite joed`
`00:25.17`	`joed`	`hahaha`
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`00:25.39`	`dvs`	`now all you need are some cheesesteaks`
`00:25.45`	`joed`	`abrotman, - south philly. almost de`
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`00:26.14`	`abrotman`	`joed: and how bout them Phillies!`
`00:26.49`	`joed`	`abrotman, worst thing I'm swedish living here, just glad they shipped the retard to texas.`
`00:26.55`	`fumbalah`	`Hi, i'm having trouble getting FUSe to work`
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`00:27.03`	`abrotman`	`joed: you live in old swedish village? :)`
`00:27.14`	`joed`	`No - that's in NJ?`
`00:27.21`	`joed`	`Swedesboro?`
`00:27.34`	`fumbalah`	`keeps giving a syntax error when i attempt to "make"`
`00:27.38`	`abrotman`	`there's a thing in philly .. the old swedish village`
`00:28.02`	`joed`	`abrotman, Did not know that, but the Brandywine was founded by swedes :)`
`00:28.04`	`dvs`	`joed: That's Swedesburg in PA`
`00:28.19`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`00:28.31`	`joed`	`dvs - Ah - thanks, we live more towards garnet valley`
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`00:28.45`	`abrotman`	`joed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Village,_Philadelphia,_Pennsylvania`
`00:28.57`	`abrotman`	`joed: at least .. i think that's it`
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`00:29.28`	`joed`	`abrotman, appreciate it, I think I learned more in 2 secs here than in the last few months.`
`00:29.31`	`joed`	`:)`
`00:29.35`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`00:30.01`	`abrotman`	`joed: maybe you should detach and go wander around :)`
`00:30.14`	`joed`	`Channels on IRC or in life?`
`00:30.17`	`joed`	`hehe`
`00:30.42`	`abrotman`	`joed: http://www.nps.gov/glde`
`00:30.47`	`joed`	`Nah I seem to be stuck in my Java and BSD (All scream) stuff.`
`00:31.03`	`eXiSt`	`i couldnt find the iptables souce directory at debian sarge`
`00:31.04`	`eXiSt`	`:(`
`00:31.13`	`abrotman`	`eXiSt: you want where it stores rules ?`
`00:31.14`	`joed`	`NICE!`
`00:31.30`	`eXiSt`	`abrotman i want to patch it`
`00:31.31`	`abrotman`	`and you had no idea!`
`00:31.35`	`abrotman`	`eXiSt: oh .. ti's kernel source`
`00:31.41`	`joed`	`abrotman, Very nice!`
`00:31.41`	`eXiSt`	`yea`
`00:31.48`	`marco__`	`does the debian installer support installing to a firewire external HD?`
`00:31.57`	`joed`	`I was outside about a month ago.`
`00:32.00`	`abrotman`	`joed: now if only you could get lutefisk and lefsa ?`
`00:32.21`	`joed`	`abrotman, lutfisk I do not do, my wife is mexican so I do salsa`
`00:32.27`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`00:32.29`	`joed`	`and I do make my own snaps`
`00:32.31`	`joed`	`:)`
`00:32.46`	`abrotman`	`lefse .. whatever`
`00:32.47`	`joed`	`So for xmas, meatballs, ham, snaps etc.`
`00:32.53`	`joed`	`:)`
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`00:33.54`	`RichiH`	`is not`
`00:34.00`	`RichiH`	`at least not german`
`00:34.08`	`abrotman`	`lefse is norwegian i think`
`00:34.24`	`abrotman`	`oh .. just scandanavian apparently`
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`00:34.57`	`abrotman`	`if i ask nicely .. i can get lutefisk and lefse next weekend`
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`00:37.28`	`joed`	`abrotman, You travel to EU?`
`00:37.45`	`abrotman`	`joed: no .. wisconsin :)`
`00:38.09`	`joed`	`abrotman, I'm glad I left a while back :)`
`00:38.12`	`abrotman`	`gotta go visit my mom .. i get brats .. probably liver .. and lutefisk if i ask nicely`
`00:38.28`	`joed`	`beer-brats rule`
`00:38.45`	`joed`	`With lotsa onions and garlic`
`00:38.50`	`abrotman`	`sometimes i even get gejost to bring home`
`00:39.02`	`abrotman`	`they don't seem to sell it around here that i've seen`
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`00:39.59`	`abrotman`	`erm .. gjetost`
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`00:40.52`	`rahsputin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:41.04`	`rahsputin`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:43.14`	`slackgen`	`rahsputin, nfs.sf.net`
`00:43.30`	`joed`	`abrotman, get-ost - goats-cheese?`
`00:43.37`	`abrotman`	`yep`
`00:43.50`	`jaMaLz`	`debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso is this stable`
`00:43.58`	`dvs`	`jaMaLz: yes`
`00:44.02`	`joed`	`It's also known in the supermarket as 'Greek cheese'?`
`00:44.07`	`abrotman`	`not that i'm aware`
`00:44.22`	`jaMaLz`	`dvs can i download the first cd and the rest from the internet`
`00:44.28`	`dvs`	`jaMaLz: yup`
`00:44.33`	`Guerin`	`rahsputin: the nfs howto on tldp.org is comprehensive`
`00:44.40`	`joed`	`Anything called FETA cheese should be goat.`
`00:44.44`	`jaMaLz`	`dvs is net installer better than getting first cd ?`
`00:44.51`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`00:44.52`	`Guerin`	`joed: but it ain't`
`00:44.57`	`dvs`	`jaMaLz: the debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso is even smaller`
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`00:45.00`	`abrotman`	`joed: it's a different kind of cheese .. that's why`
`00:45.06`	`rahsputin`	`great thanx!!`
`00:45.15`	`anapivirtua`	`Hello World`
`00:45.18`	`joed`	`abrotman, Guerin - nice :)`
`00:45.22`	`abrotman`	`joed: i mean .. still goat .. but made differently`
`00:45.23`	`dvs`	`jaMaLz: If you're going to download everything off of the internet anyways, I'd get the net installer`
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`00:45.38`	`joed`	`Yes, it's not pickeled.`
`00:45.48`	`jaMaLz`	`dvs whats the differance between netinstaller and businesscard`
`00:45.48`	`joed`	`same as a mozarella`
`00:46.00`	`joed`	`You can make that yourself`
`00:46.12`	`joed`	`Just 'stale' the milk and ice it.`
`00:46.31`	`joed`	`Guerin, is a happy camper`
`00:46.31`	`dvs`	`jaMaLz: Not too sure. I think that netinstaller will at least install a minimal system while a business card MUST install stuff over the internet`
`00:46.32`	`Guerin`	`well, it's a little bit more complicated than that`
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`00:46.53`	`Guerin`	`trying to make cheese with native cultures is Hard Work`
`00:47.03`	`Guerin`	`unless you aren't fussy about what cheese you end up with`
`00:47.05`	`dvs`	`jaMaLz: if your network card doesn't work with the kernel, you're outta luck with the businesscard image`
`00:47.05`	`jaMaLz`	`dvs thanks`
`00:47.08`	`joed`	`Guerin, yea and no`
`00:47.14`	`joed`	`Like sourdough?`
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`00:47.27`	`joed`	`Once there is a good culture`
`00:47.35`	`joed`	`you can re-use it.`
`00:48.26`	`abrotman`	`i'd love to have sourdough here`
`00:48.30`	`abrotman`	`erm .. have my own i mean`
`00:48.34`	`Guerin`	`joed: right, but if you jkust leave milk to go sour, you're dicing with whatever native cultures infect it`
`00:48.48`	`Guerin`	`i made sour cream that way, though`
`00:49.03`	`joed`	`Guerin, :)`
`00:49.12`	`joed`	`It's not culturing?`
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`00:49.52`	`joed`	`Dunno - it can be done, the SF climate surely helps in rising the dough`
`00:49.57`	`Gnurdux`	`hmm, it seems nobody has submitted the -identd bug with tightvncserver`
`00:50.21`	`Gnurdux`	`has anyone else experienced this problem?`
`00:51.30`	`Guerin`	`fucking hell`
`00:51.39`	`Guerin`	`if this has worked I will be stoked`
`00:52.13`	`dvs`	`stoked!!!`
`00:52.17`	`Guerin`	`my 80G drive died because of a powersurge, and I spent the better part of a day trying to recover what I could using photorec and testdisk`
`00:52.40`	`Guerin`	`now I just ran e2fsck -cy over it, and it appears to be all there again`
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`01:07.43`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`01:07.43`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`01:08.02`	`freakzoid0223`	`bored?`
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`01:08.11`	`dvs`	`freakzoid0223: nothing going on here`
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`01:09.39`	`plugwash`	`is there any reason xutils depends on xutils-dev?`
`01:09.49`	`abrotman`	`!depends xutils sarge`
`01:09.58`	`dpkg`	`xutils: depends on xfree86-common (>> 4.3), cpp, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)`
`01:10.19`	`gravity_`	`plugwash: xutils used to contain apps that are now in xutils-dev`
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`01:10.37`	`gravity_`	`plugwash: This way packages depending/build-depending on xutils for those programs don't get fucked`
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`01:12.57`	`Guerin`	`fuckinghell, firefox is segfaulting in etch`
`01:13.01`	`Guerin`	`rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr`
`01:13.08`	`Guerin`	`stupid!`
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`01:13.44`	`gravity_`	`I hear epiphany is nice this time of year`
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`01:14.15`	`Guerin`	`gravity_: does it still depend on half of gnome?`
`01:14.21`	`gravity_`	`Guerin: Yea`
`01:14.26`	`gravity_`	`s/$/h/`
`01:14.27`	`Guerin`	`:(`
`01:14.34`	`Coweater`	`firefox usually segfaults a few times after i remove/install extensions then it works for me`
`01:14.38`	`gravity_`	`galeon is still good I think`
`01:14.44`	`Guerin`	`i'm reduced to dial-up, so that ain't an option`
`01:15.01`	`Guerin`	`Coweater: this is a new, stock etch install with no extensions`
`01:15.13`	`RichiH`	`works in sid (tm)`
`01:15.17`	`dvs`	`!pity Guerin`
`01:15.17`	`dpkg`	`I pity da fool Guerin!`
`01:16.04`	`Coweater`	`dunno, i just did a stock install two days ago no problem`
`01:16.15`	`Guerin`	`hm, i wonder if my ram is fux0red`
`01:16.24`	`Guerin`	`i did have a powersurge recently`
`01:16.32`	`RichiH`	`might well be`
`01:16.39`	`Guerin`	`damnitall`
`01:16.40`	`RichiH`	`or pebkac`
`01:16.49`	`Martini`	`mhmh`
`01:16.52`	`RichiH`	`did you try switching users? ;)`
`01:16.53`	`Guerin`	`how does pebcak cause segfaults?`
`01:16.53`	`Martini`	`i wonder`
`01:17.00`	`RichiH`	`Guerin: magic!`
`01:17.02`	`Guerin`	`RichiH: i don't HAVE any other users`
`01:17.10`	`Martini`	`mhm`
`01:17.13`	`RichiH`	`Guerin: see? that's what i am getting at ;)`
`01:17.17`	`Martini`	`if i am logged into a system using ssh`
`01:17.23`	`Martini`	`mhm`
`01:17.27`	`Martini`	`how`
`01:17.30`	`Martini`	`do i upgrade it`
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`01:17.41`	`Martini`	`to another arch`
`01:17.42`	`Martini`	`^^`
`01:18.03`	`RichiH`	`Martini: with normal updates, the connection does not die`
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`01:18.22`	`Guerin`	`!win RichiH`
`01:18.22`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, RichiH! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
`01:18.28`	`Guerin`	`RichiH: root works`
`01:19.06`	`Guerin`	`oh, wait`
`01:19.19`	`Martini`	`richih: i was told a cannot upgrade from sarge to sarge 64`
`01:19.24`	`Guerin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:19.36`	`Guerin`	`duh, why would it segfault because of that`
`01:19.43`	`Guerin`	`stupid mozilla devs`
`01:19.47`	`tonyb2006`	`!win`
`01:19.47`	`dpkg`	`from memory, win is lose.`
`01:19.55`	`tonyb2006`	`!win`
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`01:24.59`	`lunaphyte`	`how can i make debian reread /etc/network/interfaces without rebooting?`
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`01:25.27`	`dvs`	`lunaphyte: /etc/init.d/networking restart`
`01:25.34`	`lunaphyte`	`thanks.`
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`01:28.40`	`RichiH`	`!win Guerin`
`01:28.40`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!`
`01:28.49`	`RichiH`	`Guerin: anyway, file a bug :)`
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`01:30.32`	`maher`	`[OT] anyone on cox in the midwest us? is 9% packet loss normal?`
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`01:31.32`	`abrotman`	`that's never normal`
`01:31.44`	`abrotman`	`well .. maybe with satellite :)`
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`01:32.12`	`maher`	`abrotman: its cable - i seem unable to speak to anyone at cox / suddenlink with a clue`
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`01:33.07`	`maher`	`abrotman: tho i can get 1.5Mbps symmetric wirless for a similar monthly price, and a small $500 installation fee....`
`01:33.18`	`abrotman`	`i know cox is cable`
`01:33.26`	`abrotman`	`small huh`
`01:33.42`	`dvs`	`You must be John Maher`
`01:33.53`	`maher`	`dvs: i'm Joseph Maher`
`01:34.29`	`Guerin`	`RichiH: file a bug against a mozilla package? Waste of time.`
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`01:35.04`	`RichiH`	`Guerin: better than watching firefox segfault all the time`
`01:35.09`	`Guerin`	`i need to buy a monitor`
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`01:35.46`	`Guerin`	`RichiH: yeah.`
`01:35.50`	`Guerin`	`tou're right`
`01:36.28`	`j4cbo`	`Guerin: dell 2005fpw`
`01:37.11`	`Guerin`	`j4cbo: eew, dell. Looks like a humble phiolips 107S for me`
`01:38.00`	`j4cbo`	`i'm no fan of dell computers but their monitors are quite nice`
`01:38.45`	`abrotman`	`if it says dell .. avoid it`
`01:38.55`	`Ronin`	`indeed`
`01:39.26`	`j4cbo`	`i like my monitor :)`
`01:39.29`	`j4cbo`	`cheap too`
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`01:39.58`	`dvs`	`abrotman: Don't say that to stoned. ;-)`
`01:40.11`	`abrotman`	`he says dell .. i avoid him`
`01:40.25`	`j4cbo`	`but you can pry my macbook pro out of my cold dead hands`
`01:40.30`	`dvs`	`abrotman: Worse. He SELLS Dell`
`01:40.34`	`Ronin`	`enough i have to work on dells everyday all day`
`01:40.39`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:40.50`	`Ronin`	`wouldnt suggest one to my mother in law`
`01:41.57`	`abrotman`	`i wouldn't suggest one to my grandmother .. and she's dead`
`01:42.32`	`j4cbo`	`out of curiosity, what would you suggest for a prebuilt pc?`
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`01:43.28`	`abrotman`	`let's put it this way .. i'd suggest gateway over dell`
`01:43.35`	`dvs`	`o_O`
`01:43.49`	`dvs`	`What about Packard Bell?`
`01:43.53`	`j4cbo`	`!`
`01:43.54`	`abrotman`	`not sold in .us anymore`
`01:44.01`	`dvs`	`Thank god!`
`01:44.15`	`bigmac`	`what was the operators name i just talked to?`
`01:44.15`	`Ronin`	`buy local`
`01:44.18`	`bigmac`	`i forgot`
`01:44.29`	`dvs`	`I make my own`
`01:44.29`	`abrotman`	`what was your nick before ?`
`01:44.34`	`bigmac`	`bigmac`
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`01:44.53`	`j4cbo`	`dvs: so do i but that doesn't work for friends/family`
`01:44.53`	`Ronin`	`dvs: used to do that, cant build them as cheap as a pre build though now a days`
`01:45.03`	`abrotman`	`bigmac: i have nohting in my scroll back`
`01:45.11`	`Ronin`	`j4cbo: find a local store that you dont hate`
`01:45.13`	`bigmac`	`i was talking to him in query :(`
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`01:45.25`	`dvs`	`Ronin: I still would because I know what's in them`
`01:45.37`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`01:45.40`	`abrotman`	`then i have no idea`
`01:45.52`	`maher`	`bigmac: just ask`
`01:45.53`	`Ronin`	`bigmac: look in your logs?`
`01:46.11`	`abrotman`	`if it really matters to you .. HP (last i looked in one) was using off the shelf components`
`01:46.15`	`bigmac`	`nice idea, thanks ronin`
`01:46.16`	`bigmac`	`:]]`
`01:46.32`	`dvs`	`abrotman: not their cases.`
`01:46.38`	`dvs`	`(at least the Compaq side)`
`01:46.46`	`abrotman`	`i meant inside`
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`01:47.21`	`dvs`	`I'd still have to replace their case because chances are that it'll only fit one hard drive`
`01:47.48`	`abrotman`	`go to bestbuy .. open one up`
`01:48.57`	`dvs`	`and steal the insides? ;-)`
`01:49.48`	`Guerin`	`well, i thought I'd be clever and buy a prebuilt PC`
`01:49.54`	`Guerin`	`though not from a name company`
`01:50.05`	`dvs`	`!Guerin++`
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`01:51.22`	`Guerin`	`and the problems I've had with it are as follows: 1. CPU was forced in, breaking one pin. 2. Power supply approximately 100W too weak. 3. Power surge destroyed the dvd burner, 160G hard drive, and an 80G drive full of data (which I have taken a day to salvage)`
`01:51.30`	`magyar`	`hi`
`01:51.35`	`magyar`	`what is the name of the virtual console command?`
`01:51.42`	`dvs`	`screen?`
`01:51.50`	`magyar`	`dvs: thank you`
`01:51.55`	`Guerin`	`so tbpfh, i'm on the verge of just buying a damn HP or something with a really fucking long warranty just so I can claim shit like that on it`
`01:52.06`	`Guerin`	`i did get a refund for the CPU, though`
`01:52.26`	`maher`	`Guerin: get a hush machine - no fans and they look cute`
`01:53.10`	`abrotman`	`for the CPU ?`
`01:53.10`	`Guerin`	`maher: that's the other thing - it's fucking noisy and I live in a very small place`
`01:53.18`	`abrotman`	`maher: and cost a bundle`
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`01:53.30`	`maher`	`abrotman: cheapskate`
`01:53.33`	`abrotman`	`maher: i've been looking for a place that sells miniITX besides logicsupply`
`01:53.36`	`Guerin`	`in fairness, most of the noise is hard disks, not fans`
`01:53.38`	`abrotman`	`maher: they cost 800+`
`01:53.51`	`maher`	`abrotman: get a job :)`
`01:54.02`	`abrotman`	`maher: i'm looking for a via board ... but only one supplies in .us has them apparently`
`01:54.11`	`abrotman`	`maher: i have one .. but that's a retarded price`
`01:54.34`	`maher`	`abrotman: you mean a mini-itx`
`01:54.38`	`maher`	`abrotman: ?`
`01:54.58`	`j4cbo`	`i'm trying to get rid of my hard drive`
`01:55.00`	`abrotman`	`maher: for hush boxes or miniitx ... there's only one online retailer in the states that i can find .. and the selection sucks ass`
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`01:55.20`	`j4cbo`	`put it in a file server in the basement with a gigabit ethernet link up here`
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`01:55.41`	`Guerin`	`j4cbo: what is this 'basement' of which you speak?`
`01:55.49`	`maher`	`abrotman: http://www.logicsupply.com/`
`01:55.55`	`abrotman`	`maher: yeah .. selection sucks`
`01:56.01`	`abrotman`	`maher: that's the only one i can find`
`01:56.03`	`j4cbo`	`Guerin: "Elsewhere"`
`01:56.08`	`abrotman`	`maher: for boards .. great .. for cases .. it sucks`
`01:56.37`	`maher`	`abrotman: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/default.asp`
`01:56.38`	`Guerin`	`j4cbo: our house consists of a 6x4m room with a closet, a kitchen, a bathroom and a deck`
`01:57.09`	`Guerin`	`j4cbo: we live here because it's tranquil and sunny, and cheap in an expensive area`
`01:57.09`	`j4cbo`	`yikes`
`01:57.10`	`j4cbo`	`attic?`
`01:57.10`	`abrotman`	`maher: and i want via .. not p4`
`01:57.12`	`abrotman`	`and not because i don't like intel .. just because :)`
`01:57.12`	`Guerin`	`and because we just came back from 3.5 years in asia, and are used to living in small spaces`
`01:57.22`	`Guerin`	`j4cbo: no, just the downstairs of a house`
`01:57.30`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: via = very very slow`
`01:57.38`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: trust me .. i don't need the speed`
`01:57.45`	`abrotman`	`maher: mostly the same crap cases`
`01:57.47`	`maher`	`abrotman: cappucinno have some via's i thought - not as many as the p4w`
`01:58.01`	`Guerin`	`abrotman: come on, vim is such a cpu hog`
`01:58.02`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: 800Mhz is more than enough`
`01:58.08`	`j4cbo`	`an underclocked athlon64 would cost about the same, use about as much power, and be a lot faster`
`01:58.10`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: this is for lame :)`
`01:58.21`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`01:58.24`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: the power consumption is not the issue`
`01:58.31`	`j4cbo`	`what is?`
`01:58.36`	`maher`	`j4cbo: can you take the fan off?`
`01:58.51`	`Guerin`	`hm, on that note`
`01:59.05`	`Guerin`	`is it sane to disconnect the fan in a PSU?`
`01:59.19`	`j4cbo`	`maher: with a solid heatsink, yes... my x2 4600 runs fanless at idle with c'n'q`
`01:59.22`	`maher`	`Guerin: sure - on a p2 < 200 Mhz`
`01:59.22`	`Guerin`	`or will it overheat like hell and hurt things`
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`01:59.26`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: i want small .. fanless ..`
`01:59.29`	`Guerin`	`maher: hm.`
`01:59.47`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: that's a really tough combination`
`02:00.03`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: welcome to via :)`
`02:00.20`	`j4cbo`	`eh, i like my desktop`
`02:00.38`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: i have a nice laptop`
`02:00.44`	`j4cbo`	`it weighs about a zillion pounds but it is ungodly quiet`
`02:00.47`	`abrotman`	`i sold all my other boxen`
`02:00.51`	`j4cbo`	`at least it will be once i get rid of the hard drive`
`02:00.58`	`maher`	`abrotman: mac mini's aren't too bad - the fan doesn't come on much`
`02:01.05`	`abrotman`	`maher: have one`
`02:01.12`	`abrotman`	`maher: still want a miniitx box :)`
`02:01.22`	`liable_`	`they work rock if they made one with raid`
`02:01.24`	`abrotman`	`there's a PPC 1.42Ghz mini in my closet`
`02:01.50`	`abrotman`	`with wifi and bluetooth and superdrive :)`
`02:01.50`	`maher`	`abrotman: i got one for my mum as it was cheaper than equivalent pre-made mini-itx's`
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`02:02.17`	`maher`	`abrotman: i'm going to get a mini-itx to replace a noisy amd chip...`
`02:02.18`	`abrotman`	`i'm sure it was`
`02:02.30`	`abrotman`	`i just want a fanless via box`
`02:02.37`	`j4cbo`	`the big problem for me is, i'm an audiophile`
`02:02.38`	`abrotman`	`the .uk sites have so many to choose from`
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`02:02.51`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: some of the via boards have decent 5.1 audio ...`
`02:03.00`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: hahahaha no`
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`02:03.02`	`maher`	`abrotman: it has a fanless psu so the box will end up fanless`
`02:03.11`	`pixolet`	`Hi, is it safe to update X.org in sid again?`
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`02:03.23`	`abrotman`	`tryit .. let us konw .. i'm scared!`
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`02:03.34`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: by audiophile, i mean i've ordered a Transporter`
`02:03.44`	`abrotman`	`decent movie`
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`02:03.51`	`Ronin`	`pixolet: safe and sid in the same sentence? ;)`
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`02:04.04`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: this box will be for encoding and storing ...`
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`02:04.15`	`pixolet`	`Ronin well, safer than last time.. :D`
`02:04.20`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: bsaically .. feed it a disc of some sort .. rip/encode ..spit out ..`
`02:04.21`	`Ronin`	`pixolet: check out the topic theres something there about xorg and sid`
`02:04.59`	`Ronin`	`oops thats about sarge`
`02:05.05`	`pixolet`	`Ronin i did, and it only says about sarge now, as opposed to last week`
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`02:05.23`	`pixolet`	`abrotman why not, i'll go for it`
`02:05.36`	`abrotman`	`pixolet: what's the worst that happens .. flames?`
`02:05.39`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: flac for music, i hope :)`
`02:05.55`	`freakzoid0223`	`electrocution?`
`02:05.57`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: probably mp3 since my car can play those`
`02:06.04`	`j4cbo`	`ugg`
`02:06.09`	`Guerin`	`i love flac`
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`02:06.09`	`pixolet`	`might be a bad idea for me to do it and walk away, then`
`02:06.34`	`epsilon`	`I have a config file, where I want to search for a buzzword (grep?) and copy&paste this + next 5 lines. How can do that?`
`02:06.35`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: trust me .. it's fine .. after i bought the car ... foudn out that at 90mph with the windows/sunroof open .. you can hear much of the stereo anyways .. so i'll avoid going flac :)`
`02:06.45`	`abrotman`	`epsilon: man grep`
`02:06.49`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: for reference, i'm getting one of these http://slimdevices.com/`
`02:06.53`	`Guerin`	`there are so many shitty lossless codecs out there, it's nice to have a sane one`
`02:06.57`	`j4cbo`	`audiophile :/`
`02:07.07`	`epsilon`	`abrotman: buzzword in manual?`
`02:07.22`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: i've seen those`
`02:07.23`	`gravity`	`epsilon: awk probably`
`02:07.32`	`gravity`	`Or just grep 'n sed`
`02:07.41`	`j4cbo`	`i have a squeezebox now`
`02:07.41`	`abrotman`	`epsilon: cat file \| grep <someoptoin> <buzzword>`
`02:07.45`	`abrotman`	`!uuoc me`
`02:07.59`	`abrotman`	`as in .. it's the first option mentioned`
`02:08.13`	`pixolet`	`well, i set it to go and dl only`
`02:08.32`	`gravity`	`Oh, he doesn't want to copy and paste in to that same file where the buzzword is`
`02:08.36`	`gravity`	`gotcha. Yeah, just awk.`
`02:08.38`	`pixolet`	`i'll do the setup when i can sit and watch with the extinguisher`
`02:08.40`	`abrotman`	`i don't htink so`
`02:08.44`	`Ronin`	`pixolet: it should be fixed by now as iirc it was a mistake by the dev to begin with`
`02:08.46`	`gravity`	`Otherwise, just sed`
`02:08.56`	`abrotman`	`gravity: grep -A 5 <buzzword> <file>`
`02:09.08`	`Ronin`	`speaking of sound i need to burn me some driving music for tomorrow`
`02:09.14`	`gravity`	`Yeah`
`02:09.27`	`abrotman`	`Ronin: fleeing the country eh ?`
`02:09.42`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: i wish, winters coming and i hate the cold`
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`02:10.01`	`abrotman`	`Ronin: you know .. you live in canada ? i mean . you're aware of this right ?`
`02:10.14`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: yes im aware of that little fact`
`02:10.20`	`pixolet`	`Ronin ok, thanks, it's good to know`
`02:10.23`	`abrotman`	`you know .. canada .. is cold there?`
`02:10.36`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: only 7 months out of 12 :)`
`02:10.45`	`Ronin`	`doesnt mean i have to like it`
`02:10.50`	`abrotman`	`Ronin: i thnik i'd like texas :)`
`02:10.54`	`pixolet`	`Ronin how's the humidity?`
`02:11.22`	`Ronin`	`pixolet: now? great there is none, in june and july? how do you feel about 90% humidity?`
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`02:12.02`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: im more of a hawaii sort, nice beaches, bikinis`
`02:12.36`	`abrotman`	`Ronin: yes .. that'd be good too`
`02:12.50`	`pixolet`	`Ronin, well, i'm on long island, but don't care for much humidity at all`
`02:12.51`	`peterS`	`I'm not opposed to bikinis but I guess I've never tried to wear one`
`02:12.55`	`abrotman`	`Ronin: basically .. anywhere i have a .5% chance of seeing snow`
`02:13.04`	`Guerin`	`peterS: omgpix!`
`02:13.15`	`Ronin`	`abrotman: only ice i really want to see is in my drink or the deep freeze`
`02:13.15`	`abrotman`	`humidity is nothing .. you're all wimps!`
`02:13.20`	`abrotman`	`Ronin: hehe`
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`02:13.38`	`Guerin`	`the hottest I've ever been is in Kampot, Cambodia`
`02:13.42`	`Ronin`	`and im a canadian and love hockey hows that for confused`
`02:13.59`	`Ronin`	`yep Guerin wins`
`02:14.03`	`Guerin`	`closely followed by Sai Gon, where the coldest temperature EVER recorded was 14 degrees centigrade`
`02:14.14`	`abrotman`	`works for me!`
`02:14.20`	`peterS`	`Ronin: you don't want to see ice but you enjoy watching hockey, there's a contradiction in there somewhere if only we could find it`
`02:14.22`	`Ronin`	`Guerin: heh we call that summer ;)`
`02:14.24`	`Guerin`	`Ronin: nah, there are bound to be some aussies in here who can top that`
`02:14.38`	`Guerin`	`Ronin: it's less than that here, now, and I'm in a t-shirt sitting in the sun`
`02:14.43`	`Ronin`	`peterS: not only that i enjoy playing it too`
`02:14.53`	`pixolet`	`i like the cold better for some reason`
`02:15.09`	`abrotman`	`bah .. 95 every day .. thank you!`
`02:15.11`	`pixolet`	`Ronin i'll trade ;)`
`02:15.16`	`Ronin`	`any hoo who are we ignoring with debian problems?`
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`02:15.33`	`Ronin`	`going once`
`02:15.35`	`abrotman`	`i think peterS is having a problem with svn`
`02:15.47`	`peterS`	`abrotman: i cant install svn lol`
`02:16.03`	`abrotman`	`peterS: have you used alien to convert the RPM ?`
`02:16.21`	`abrotman`	`don't forget to build the RPM from source first`
`02:16.22`	`peterS`	`good point, ima try that`
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`02:17.36`	`Guerin`	`peterS: omg why don't you build teh sorce n00b`
`02:17.45`	`abrotman`	`see .. even in the face of the impending doom of the Red Sox .. gravity can still laugh`
`02:17.51`	`Guerin`	`oops, i put an apostrohe in, my 1337 cred is ruined`
`02:18.01`	`peterS`	`ya i did 2`
`02:18.26`	`abrotman`	`-2 points on peterS .. Too many vowels`
`02:18.47`	`Martini`	`hum`
`02:19.00`	`Martini`	`etch isn't able to get Release.gpg`
`02:19.04`	`Martini`	`is that a bad sign ?`
`02:19.05`	`Martini`	`^^`
`02:19.49`	`peterS`	`Martini: etch now too? last we heard it was merely security.debian.org`
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`02:20.25`	`peterS`	`Martini: we've had mirror sync problems for quite awhile though, it may be that you can try again and the next mirror in the DNS rotation will give you better luck`
`02:20.45`	`Martini`	`ic`
`02:20.51`	`Martini`	`security.debian.rg works`
`02:21.01`	`Martini`	`security.debian.org works`
`02:21.03`	`Martini`	`for me`
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`02:23.52`	`eldowan`	`I had no reported errors aobut Release.gpg in etch. security or ftp.us.debian.org`
`02:23.56`	`Martini`	`does debhelper 5.0 work on sarge ?`
`02:24.21`	`Martini`	`can't find a backport`
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`02:24.48`	`gravity`	`Martini: It's not in sarge, but I don't see why it wouldn't work`
`02:24.48`	`gravity`	`Martini: Do you really need 5 instead of 4?`
`02:24.56`	`newbcoder`	`I want to do a make modules_install; but I dont have access to /lib; I want these modules to all just be put into /mnt/blah/lib -- how can I do that?`
`02:26.20`	`Martini`	`mhm`
`02:26.25`	`Martini`	`i need 5 for madwifi`
`02:26.30`	`Martini`	`@ gravity`
`02:26.32`	`ravenbird`	`gravity doesn't exist, the universe sucks`
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`02:26.43`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`02:26.46`	`Martini`	`^^`
`02:26.51`	`Martini`	`well`
`02:27.03`	`peterS`	`Martini: I bet you really don't, just undo the changes that require dh5. they're quite trivial in general`
`02:27.03`	`Martini`	`if you tell me howto get apt-get to do what i tell it to do`
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`02:27.23`	`Martini`	`hum`
`02:27.37`	`Martini`	`no idea how`
`02:27.54`	`Martini`	`there is a backport`
`02:27.56`	`Martini`	`so it should work`
`02:28.13`	`Martini`	`they wouldn'T put it in sarge-backports if it won't work`
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`02:29.29`	`peterS`	`I intentionally avoid depending on debhelper 5 because (a) it adds very little functionality I would need, and (b) it needlessly makes life harder for backporters`
`02:29.53`	`peterS`	`debhelper 4, OTOH, is in woody and sarge, so there's never a need to go back to a compat level older than that`
`02:30.41`	`Martini`	`^^`
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`02:34.28`	`Martini`	`hum`
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`02:37.04`	`maalox`	`Ever since I upgraded to xorg, I have been unable to switch between VT terminals... anyone know what could be causing this?`
`02:37.29`	`abrotman`	`you broke your keyboard?`
`02:37.40`	`maalox`	`abrotman: well, the hardware works :)`
`02:37.51`	`abrotman`	`oh sure ... blame the software!`
`02:37.55`	`maalox`	`hah`
`02:38.13`	`maalox`	`I can't switch VT terminals, switch resolution, or control the mouse cursor (with the numpad)`
`02:38.17`	`eldowan`	`everyone knows that the software in debian is flawless..`
`02:38.23`	`maalox`	`Anything that requires a control+alt combination doesn't work`
`02:38.48`	`Guerin`	`maalox: sure ctrl+alt are working? Use xev to find out.`
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`02:39.16`	`maalox`	`Yes it seems to`
`02:39.45`	`Cooner750`	`Is there any program that is capable of getting Caller ID information via a Modem and then showing a list of calls on an HTML output?`
`02:39.46`	`abrotman`	`chvt ?`
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`02:40.17`	`Guerin`	`Cooner750: probably not a hard script to write`
`02:40.22`	`maalox`	`Guerin: yes they work`
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`02:40.38`	`Guerin`	`maalox: hm, well, all I can say is that it works for me`
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`02:41.04`	`Guerin`	`except the mouse cursor thing`
`02:41.05`	`Cooner750`	`I'm setting up my old PIII 1GHz as my webserver on top of Smoothwall and I figured since it's so close to the phone "system" I'd use it to keep Caller ID records as well`
`02:41.07`	`donopan`	`howdy guys- anyone know how to simply put subtitles in .avi files? (permenant subtitles)`
`02:41.11`	`Guerin`	`but i didn't even know about that,s o`
`02:41.31`	`Guerin`	`donopan: is this #illegalvideohaxx0rs?`
`02:41.38`	`eldowan`	`donopan: you might try mencoder`
`02:42.05`	`Guerin`	`Cooner750: that's a cool idea.`
`02:42.09`	`donopan`	`Guerin: no this is #debian`
`02:42.09`	`maalox`	`ugh`
`02:42.19`	`dendrite`	`donopan: Cinelerra can probably do that also.`
`02:42.21`	`Guerin`	`donopan: that's right. And are video encoding tools in debian?`
`02:42.32`	`donopan`	`Guerin: no/`
`02:42.45`	`Guerin`	`donopan: so ... why ask us?`
`02:42.46`	`donopan`	`Guerin: just go back to playing tic tac toe or whatever it was you were doing before you read my msg`
`02:43.01`	`eldowan`	`flame suit anyone?`
`02:43.02`	`donopan`	`thanks dendrite ill check it out`
`02:43.12`	`Guerin`	`donopan: i'm just trying to tell you there are better places to ask.`
`02:43.31`	`donopan`	`such as #illegalvideohaxx0rs?`
`02:43.38`	`donopan`	`gee thx`
`02:43.40`	`pixolet`	`i think kino is in debian's ropo, and it may do it, though`
`02:43.44`	`pixolet`	`repo*`
`02:43.54`	`Guerin`	`donopan: well, you can try...`
`02:44.25`	`dendrite`	`Hmm.. What (apt\|dpkg) incantation will show the whence from which a package would be pulled?`
`02:44.27`	`Guerin`	`pixolet: there aren't (or weren't, last I saw) any mpeg-4 encoding tools in debian for patent reasons.`
`02:44.41`	`Guerin`	`donopan: apt-cache policy <package>`
`02:45.02`	`dendrite`	`Guerin: Thanks.`
`02:45.12`	`Guerin`	`meh, stupid tabkey`
`02:45.13`	`Cooner750`	`I used to have a 300MHz windows box connected to an old small black & white monitor that sat on top of my file cabinent and whenever the phone rang, after the first ring you'd hear "click, click" and the caller ID would show up on the monitor`
`02:45.27`	`pixolet`	`Guerin he said avi. i forgot about mpeg4, my bad`
`02:45.43`	`Guerin`	`pixolet: avi is a container format which usually contains mpeg-4`
`02:46.23`	`pixolet`	`Guerin i always thought that was .mov`
`02:46.52`	`dendrite`	`Cooner750: mgetty would be the first place to look, I'd guess.`
`02:47.34`	`pixolet`	`Guerin last time i looked, (yes it was a long time ago) avi's were much bigger than mov's, so i assumed, incorrectly`
`02:47.43`	`Guerin`	`pixolet: .mov is another container format. all the main video formats you think of are mepg-4 - divx, xvid, h/x264`
`02:48.19`	`Guerin`	`pixolet: that's a codec issue -h264, which is used by apple, is much more efficient than divx/xvid, which is what most avi files are.`
`02:48.33`	`Guerin`	`you can make x264 avis, though.`
`02:48.34`	`Xenguy`	`I wish I knew a solid method of converting an .mp4 -> .avi`
`02:48.38`	`pixolet`	`Guerin oh, ok, that makes a lot more sense now, thanks`
`02:49.12`	`amphi`	`Xenguy: mencoder?`
`02:49.18`	`Guerin`	`Xenguy: yeah. In theory they should work transparently,, because the codec is independent of the package format, but not all players support all package formats equally/.`
`02:49.30`	`pixolet`	`abrotman, i just finished the sid x.org upgrade, works well for me`
`02:49.31`	`Guerin`	`amphi: if you want to de/recode, which is very losssy`
`02:49.38`	`abrotman`	`pixolet: flw!!`
`02:49.41`	`amphi`	`Guerin: true`
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`02:50.03`	`Xenguy`	`amphi: I tried a GUI called DeVeDe, which calls mencoder, but the end result was pretty bad :-)`
`02:50.08`	`abrotman`	`!flw`
`02:50.08`	`dpkg`	`[flw33] <BadMan> hmm, I'm bored.. I think I will go wipe out my wifes winbox and isntall woody on it just for shits and giggles... I could get beat to death.. maybe Iw ill back up a few files first 8-)`
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`02:50.21`	`Martini`	`modpost: /usr/src/madwifi/ath/ath_hal.o no symtab?`
`02:50.23`	`Martini`	`how can ifix that`
`02:50.41`	`abrotman`	`stop compiling stuff!`
`02:50.53`	`Cooner750`	`WebCID looks interesting`
`02:50.54`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`02:50.56`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: how much is that thing ?`
`02:51.05`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: is what thing?`
`02:51.11`	`abrotman`	`the transponder!`
`02:51.17`	`abrotman`	`2 GRAND?!`
`02:51.18`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`02:51.19`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: I googled around a fair bit, but didn't find any magic bullet; then tried something called avidemux, but again I think my configuration needs debugging`
`02:51.29`	`j4cbo`	`yeah, i got a developer discount ;)`
`02:51.30`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: does it come wiht groupies ?`
`02:51.51`	`Guerin`	`Xenguy: doom9 probably knows. I know a lot of the theory, but not a lot of the practice.`
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`02:51.57`	`j4cbo`	`it probably should`
`02:52.10`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: sorry .. no f'in way it's worth 2k`
`02:52.12`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: saw that site along the way - I should/will re-visit`
`02:52.15`	`huhlig`	`grr`
`02:52.34`	`j4cbo`	`abrotman: it's worth it to some people`
`02:53.01`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: eh .. why?`
`02:53.14`	`j4cbo`	`audio quality, mostly`
`02:53.21`	`bigmac`	`good night all`
`02:53.23`	`bigmac`	`sleep well`
`02:53.30`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: not buying it`
`02:53.33`	`magyar`	`how do i detach from a running screen without terminating it?`
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`02:53.46`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: if you'r enot buying for the cool lcd interface .. you're paying too much`
`02:53.47`	`Martini`	`C-a d`
`02:53.47`	`Xenguy`	`magyar: screen -d`
`02:53.47`	`Guerin`	`magyar: screen -d`
`02:53.57`	`j4cbo`	`heck, there are $10k cd players`
`02:53.58`	`Martini`	`^^`
`02:54.01`	`Martini`	`C-a d <--`
`02:54.12`	`j4cbo`	`but yeah, it wound up costing me $500 so no complaints`
`02:54.13`	`magyar`	`Guerin: within the running screen?`
`02:54.19`	`j4cbo`	`(and the knob, too!)`
`02:54.24`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: doom9 is pretty good. mencoder should let you transcode mp4 -> avi`
`02:54.28`	`Guerin`	`j4cbo: for the same group of people who buy lamborghinis to drive to the gym`
`02:54.31`	`abrotman`	`j4cbo: yeah .. but i heard you get a free hootie performance with each purchase!`
`02:54.35`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: While copying the audiostream`
`02:55.08`	`Guerin`	`Xenguy: in theory you should be able to take the encoded video out of the mp4 package and re-package it as avi without re-coding it, but i don't know how`
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`02:55.24`	`Xenguy`	`eldowan: I'll take another look then, thanks -- so far the results are bad (video/audio way out of sync)`
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`02:55.32`	`abrotman`	`somegeek: in case you missed it .. there was a gentoo release recently!!!!!!!`
`02:55.48`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: yeah, it's hard only until you discover how :-)`
`02:56.15`	`dendrite`	`Xenguy: AV sync issues are the BANE of Linux video...`
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`02:57.27`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: check the mencoder online documentation. it is quite exhaustive, and has a section about sync issues`
`02:57.46`	`Xenguy`	`dendrite: I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to AV, but I've at least figured out how to convert AVIs to DVD format -- there's lots to learn`
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`02:58.22`	`dendrite`	`Xenguy: Lots and lots and lots to learn. It's really quite baroque.`
`02:58.23`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: you might also try virtualdub. It is windows, but allows direct stream copying into the avi container`
`02:58.55`	`Xenguy`	`eldowan: OK, will do; I have gotten good results with ffmpeg, but on my installation it seems to only encode mp4, not decode it (IIRC)`
`02:59.24`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: Crazy, havent really used ffmpeg, so I can't say anything there.`
`02:59.48`	`Xenguy`	`thanks guys`
`02:59.55`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: Before I switched to debian, virtual dub did everything I needed. also look at gordian knot`
`03:00.03`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: for windows :(`
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`03:00.39`	`Xenguy`	`eldowan: if I get desperate enough ;-) Thanks for the suggestions mate`
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`03:01.32`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: no prob. Let me know how it goes. I'm trying to get my feet wet with Linux video encoding, et al`
`03:01.56`	`De_Mon`	`Hooom... other than a dead CMOS battery (which I just replaced) what could cause my system time to drift over 15min in a single day!`
`03:02.55`	`Xenguy`	`eldowan: will do, and good luck :-)`
`03:03.15`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: Back at you`
`03:03.28`	`eldowan`	`night all`
`03:03.34`	`dendrite`	`De_Mon: Shared interrupts? Just a wild guess.`
`03:04.03`	`Martini`	`he`
`03:04.10`	`Martini`	`when compiling kernelmodules`
`03:04.13`	`Martini`	`i get following error`
`03:04.17`	`Martini`	`modpost: /usr/src/madwifi/ath/ath_hal.o no symtab?`
`03:04.40`	`j4cbo`	`Martini: are you, by any chance, using a mixed 32-bit/64-bit system?`
`03:05.21`	`De_Mon`	`dendrite how would I see what irq everything was on?`
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`03:05.30`	`Martini`	`j4cbo: jupp`
`03:05.37`	`dendrite`	`De_Mon: cat /proc/interrupts`
`03:05.38`	`magyar`	`why was dansguardian pulled from etch?`
`03:05.40`	`enouf`	`Xenguy> eldowan: will do, and good luck :-)`
`03:05.41`	`enouf`	`[22:58:59] <eldowa`
`03:05.42`	`Martini`	`j4cbo: shouldn't be a big problem with kernel modules`
`03:05.49`	`enouf`	`doh!`
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`03:06.14`	`enouf`	`Xenguy: look at unofficial.debian.org ?`
`03:06.15`	`j4cbo`	`Martini: happened to me about six months ago`
`03:06.21`	`Firebird88`	`is it possible to change the console resolution?`
`03:06.29`	`Martini`	`j4cbo: how solved ?`
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`03:06.37`	`j4cbo`	`Martini: poke around the kernel module building scripts; one of them will be assuming 32-bit, don't remember which`
`03:06.47`	`Martini`	`^^`
`03:06.48`	`Martini`	`which`
`03:06.54`	`Martini`	`hrhr`
`03:07.24`	`j4cbo`	`sorry (i just gave up and switched back to a 32-bit kernel when i got my new proc)`
`03:07.24`	`De_Mon`	`http://pastebin.ca/155509`
`03:07.29`	`Martini`	`mhm`
`03:07.33`	`Martini`	`good idea`
`03:07.34`	`Martini`	`giving up`
`03:07.48`	`De_Mon`	`no problems jumping out at me`
`03:07.54`	`Martini`	`mhm`
`03:07.56`	`Martini`	`i guess`
`03:07.58`	`Xenguy`	`enouf: I get 404 on that`
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`03:09.09`	`dendrite`	`De_Mon: Guess it's not a shared interrupt...`
`03:09.26`	`enouf`	`Cooner750 : yeah my win98 box has an Answering machine system software that not only displats callerID info, but sets up Mailboxes for users, handles incoming messages, plays back 'hold' music, etc ... and handles Faxes (sending/receiving) - but 'mgetty' as dendite ? mentioned is all I can find using apt-cache search`
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`03:09.35`	`dendrite`	`De_Mon: Are you running ntpd?`
`03:09.39`	`enouf`	`displays*`
`03:09.57`	`dendrite`	`De_Mon: Even if you are, I don't think ntpd will slew 15 minutes.`
`03:10.02`	`enouf`	`dendrite* even`
`03:10.15`	`enouf`	`:-p`
`03:10.23`	`dendrite`	`?`
`03:10.49`	`dendrite`	`Ah.`
`03:10.54`	`De_Mon`	`dendrite I am, but every time my DSL craps out ntpd has to restart and sometimes it doesnt... I could fix ntpd but damnit the problem should exist to begin with`
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`03:11.46`	`dendrite`	`De_Mon: Is the problem different when ntpd starts versus when it doesn't?`
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`03:13.37`	`De_Mon`	`dendrite ? no ntp just doesn't like it when my IP changes and I haven't edited the /etc/network/if-up scripts accordingly`
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`03:14.03`	`dendrite`	`De_Mon: That sounds obnoxious.`
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`03:15.03`	`De_Mon`	`if-up.d. Yeah thats not the only obnoxious thing about ntpd, but I know how to fix those :)`
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`03:15.57`	`De_Mon`	`I think it's a motherboard problem. Probably have to do something in the BIOS to fix it...`
`03:16.26`	`De_Mon`	`can I find out what bios is loaded without rebooting?`
`03:16.56`	`De_Mon`	`there must be a way. /me goes hunting`
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`03:18.15`	`newbcoder`	`what package provides menu_tree.h`
`03:18.40`	`enouf`	`De_Mon : dmesg , but dmidecode, hwinfo, lshw - take your pick`
`03:18.46`	`dendrite`	`newbcoder: dpkg -S /path/to/file tells you the owner.`
`03:18.57`	`newbcoder`	`i don't habe it installed yet`
`03:19.06`	`dendrite`	`newbcoder: Doh! =)`
`03:19.07`	`newbcoder`	`i wnat to know what package to install to get the file`
`03:19.46`	`dendrite`	`newbcoder: Maybe try apt-get build-dep <package_you_are_building> ?`
`03:20.04`	`newbcoder`	`no no the thing is`
`03:20.10`	`newbcoder`	`i'm installing a package from source`
`03:20.13`	`newbcoder`	`and I need menu_tree.h`
`03:20.14`	`De_Mon`	`hwinfo sounds sexy`
`03:20.21`	`newbcoder`	`and i need to know what package to install to get menu_tree.h`
`03:20.33`	`dendrite`	`newbcoder: Don't have it here either, or I'd have answered more directly. Sorry.`
`03:21.03`	`enouf`	`De_Mon : It's gorgeous :-p - but I wouldn't think your bios has anything to do with your isp and ntpd issues ..but knock yourself out`
`03:21.51`	`De_Mon`	`enouf the issue is the system clock running too fast and drifting +15min a day. ntp is just the bandaid trying to keep the thing from dying`
`03:22.06`	`enouf`	`She's* gorgeous :-)`
`03:22.27`	`liable_`	`!find menu_tree.h`
`03:22.29`	`enouf`	`De_Mon : Ojh ....CMOS battery`
`03:22.56`	`enouf`	`De_Mon : hmmm ... too fast?`
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`03:23.02`	`dendrite`	`Odds are menu_tree.h is in more than one source ball...`
`03:23.03`	`Cooner750`	`WebCID appears to work`
`03:23.15`	`Cooner750`	`but this machine has no modem in it to test the caller ID part`
`03:23.20`	`Cooner750`	`has a web output`
`03:23.31`	`enouf`	`De_Mon : it's windows fault - email complaint to redmond`
`03:23.33`	`De_Mon`	`enouf ya too fast. and cmos batter was replaced last week tryin to fix it`
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`03:23.53`	`Cooner750`	`Uses a MySQL databse`
`03:24.10`	`De_Mon`	`enouf nah this is linux, it's mysql's fault!!!`
`03:24.34`	`bronaugh`	`wondering if anyone has been fiddling with getting the ralink rt73 driver running on powerpc?`
`03:24.43`	`bronaugh`	`and/or where else could I ask?`
`03:24.48`	`enouf`	`Cooner750 : doh - get yourself a usr 56k external and test ;-)`
`03:25.15`	`enouf`	`De_Mon : I'll bet you got a windows pc networked though <places bet>`
`03:26.11`	`enouf`	`doubles down`
`03:26.28`	`enouf`	`splits the aces`
`03:26.34`	`De_Mon`	`enouf hehehe`
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`03:26.41`	`enouf`	`!win me`
`03:26.41`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, enouf! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!`
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`03:26.47`	`enouf`	`doh!`
`03:27.02`	`De_Mon`	`enouf and the other guy was butt uggly!`
`03:27.13`	`peterS`	`it was a guy?`
`03:27.17`	`peterS`	`no wonder`
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`03:28.28`	`_rockstar`	`I just installed wine from the apt repo, but it won't make my .wine directory. Anyone have any idea how I can force it to make it?`
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`03:28.53`	`dendrite`	`_rockstar: Not sure, but is there a separate winconfig package, or similar?`
`03:29.30`	`s3m4ph0r3`	`hello all ... does anyone know what pkg I need to dpkg-reconfigure (if thats even right) to change the available resolutions to xorg ?`
`03:29.37`	`_rockstar`	`dendrite, there's a winecfg binary, but it's trying to write to .wine, to no avail.`
`03:29.50`	`dendrite`	`_rockstar: wine-utils?`
`03:30.05`	`rouge8`	`s3m4ph0r3: I think it's xserver-xorg`
`03:30.07`	`dendrite`	`s3m4ph0r3: xserver-xorg`
`03:30.08`	`Xenguy`	`s3m4ph0r3: xserver-xorg`
`03:30.18`	`eviltux`	`brb`
`03:30.19`	`_rockstar`	`dendrite, I'm using sid, nothing in there.`
`03:30.33`	`dendrite`	`_rockstar: Nothing in where?`
`03:30.39`	`_rockstar`	`In the repo.`
`03:30.49`	`s3m4ph0r3`	`yeah ... I did that package ... but it asked me every Q ... except what res's to use`
`03:30.56`	`dendrite`	`I see wine-utils here, in sid. ia32.`
`03:31.06`	`_rockstar`	`dendrite, Hm, hold on...`
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`03:31.51`	`dendrite`	`s3m4ph0r3: I guess you could make a backup copy and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf...`
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`03:32.21`	`s3m4ph0r3`	`dendrite: yeah ... ... just thougth there'd be a "deb way" to do it`
`03:32.33`	`dendrite`	`s3m4ph0r3: You'd think...`
`03:33.41`	`_rockstar`	`dendrite, Yea, I just ran it with sudo, and it made the directory. Now I can work with it.`
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`03:34.11`	`dendrite`	`_rockstar: Ah. Odd. Are you running wine as root?`
`03:34.35`	`enouf`	`Xenguy: whoops http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/`
`03:34.46`	`_rockstar`	`dendrite, not now I'm not.`
`03:34.49`	`Xenguy`	`enouf: tx`
`03:34.54`	`_rockstar`	`Actually still doing the winecfg thing.`
`03:35.15`	`dendrite`	`_rockstar: Gotcha.`
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`03:36.36`	`enouf`	`Xenguy: for ex: in 'restricted' http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/dists/unstable/restricted/binary-i386/Packages`
`03:37.38`	`dendrite`	`s3m4ph0r3: Looks like xserver-xorg.postinst behaves differently on install versus upgrade...`
`03:37.46`	`enouf`	`Xenguy: note too: 'unstable' - haven't looked in the other repos though`
`03:38.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`is there some /proc/pid/ node that gives the process owner's username/uid?`
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`03:38.59`	`De_Mon`	`I googled system clock drifting, first link was about fixing some bug with A7N8X's... according to hwinfo That's what I've got.`
`03:41.37`	`dendrite`	`SerajewelKS: Looks like the forth token of 'stat' may work.`
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`03:46.06`	`flaccid`	`i am mounting a fat drive, and no matter whatever options i put it, it mounts as 500.root. how can this be`
`03:46.34`	`flaccid`	`even umask=000 doesn't change it`
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`03:49.20`	`axscode`	`how to delete user in debian? whats the exact path of deluser`
`03:49.47`	`_rockstar`	`Has anyone got WoW working through wine here?`
`03:50.18`	`flaccid`	`axscode: whereis deluser`
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`03:52.33`	`UncleD`	`any sed/awk gurus around? I have a bunch of html files with <notextile> & </notextile> in them and I want to remove just those two strings from all my files. The files are in subdirectorys as well. Anyone got a quick one for that?`
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`03:54.17`	`dendrite`	`UncleD: First step is to make a tar of the files you'll be operating on, in case something goes wrong.`
`03:54.26`	`UncleD`	`dendrite: done that laready :)`
`03:55.14`	`SerajewelKS`	`dendrite: hmm`
`03:55.37`	`dendrite`	`SerajewelKS: Thought you'd gone. YOu want owner ID... status?`
`03:55.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`dendrite: not here... 5873 != 1000`
`03:55.56`	`dendrite`	`UncleD: I'd use sed. See the -i switch.`
`03:56.56`	`dendrite`	`SerajewelKS: 'status' has owner ID. Not sure why it prints several times.`
`03:57.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`dendrite: yeah`
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`04:02.59`	`Xenguy`	`dendrite UncleD with sed, wouldn't 'find' also be required?`
`04:03.51`	`dendrite`	`Xenguy: Yeah.`
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`04:04.18`	`dendrite`	`Xenguy: I'm trying to figure out why "sed -ir 's/<\/?notextile>/XXX/g' foo" isn't working...`
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`04:04.40`	`dendrite`	`Damn all these different regex dialects anyhow.`
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`04:05.37`	`Xenguy`	`dendrite: yeah, sometimes it becomes trial'n'error`
`04:05.57`	`dendrite`	`Xenguy: Emphasis on error. =)`
`04:06.06`	`Xenguy`	`heh`
`04:06.07`	`shongzah`	`saint louis sean?`
`04:06.13`	`shongzah`	`nods`
`04:06.14`	`shongzah`	`nice`
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`04:07.37`	`cowl`	`shongzah: yes, it's me`
`04:07.43`	`dendrite`	`Xenguy: "sed -ir 's/<\/*notextile>/XXX/g' foo" works...`
`04:07.52`	`dendrite`	`Not what I'd like though...`
`04:08.09`	`shongzah`	`where?`
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`04:09.02`	`dendrite`	`UncleD: So we get "find /path -exec sed -ir 's/<\/*notextile>//g' {} \;`
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`04:09.17`	`UncleD`	`ty`
`04:09.34`	`dendrite`	`Not sure the -r is needed. I went 'round trying to get \/? to work instead...`
`04:11.29`	`Guerin`	`!love e2fsck`
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`04:12.05`	`Guerin`	`I just got 80G of data back off a drive which was wiped in a power surge - THAT is why I don't use reiserfs`
`04:12.35`	`dendrite`	`Guerin: Nice.`
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`04:13.23`	`Guerin`	`a 160G drive and a dvd burner are both toast - fucked hardware - but hell, that's just hardware, not data`
`04:13.45`	`dendrite`	`Must have been one heck of a surge. Lightning?`
`04:13.55`	`Guerin`	`no idea`
`04:14.19`	`Xenguy`	`dendrite: good for you (I'm too sleep-deprived I think -- time for bed :-)`
`04:14.25`	`Guerin`	`machine just powered on for no reason, booted normally, and two drives on a pci ide card and one on secondary onboard ide were all toast`
`04:14.27`	`dendrite`	`Nasty. More and more I try to get a UPS under any system around here. It's like the grid is crumbling or something.`
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`04:18.10`	`pourritur1`	`I have a friend who uses xandros who told me that his buddy who uses ubuntu told him that a guy he knew that had a linspire install said that this was a great place to ask questions about knoppix`
`04:18.20`	`pourritur1`	`is that accurate?`
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`04:21.00`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Yes, it's a great place to ask. Just don't expect answers.`
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`04:21.31`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I hope that you saw the humor in that`
`04:21.41`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Nah. =)`
`04:22.26`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: It's always fun watching people ask a question, then someone asks them what distro they run.. It's like the bridge crossing scene in 'Grail'...`
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`04:24.47`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I feel good with sarge ... and friends who are learning linux want sid cause "it has a better gui" ask me questions and I can't explain why I can't help them ... I am not there yet ... I will learn that when it is not sid anymore`
`04:25.31`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Sid will always be sid, btw.`
`04:25.35`	`pourritur1`	`granted I mess with sid ... but not in any way that could be considered good advice`
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`04:26.25`	`pourritur1`	`sid is always sid I know ... but you get my point`
`04:26.42`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Gotcha.`
`04:26.53`	`mutk`	`So how significant are the differences between sid and sarge? I guess the long time betwen the releases would mean the differences are quite a lot?`
`04:27.07`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: So, what was that knoppix question? ;-)`
`04:27.16`	`dendrite`	`mutk: Very significant.`
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`04:27.35`	`smax`	`hi gang`
`04:27.47`	`mutk`	`dendrite, What kernel was Sarge released with ? And sarge?`
`04:27.59`	`smax`	`is mplayer is not on debian, what other player supports wmv files?`
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`04:28.26`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: how can I tri boot win98 , knoppix and ubuntu using only fat32 and the windows bootloader`
`04:28.30`	`dendrite`	`mutk: Don't know off hand. I'd be guessing, but I think it had 2.6.8 and 2.4.24, or some such.`
`04:28.48`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: That is possible, but requires heavy drinking.`
`04:29.04`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I am ahead of the game there :)`
`04:29.04`	`dendrite`	`mutk: Maybe 2.4.18? Dunno.`
`04:29.09`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: =)`
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`04:30.31`	`mutk`	`dendrite, Thanks. So the diff is almost equivalent to say rhel2.1 to rhel4 perhaps. I shall have a look.`
`04:30.57`	`simonrvn`	`2.6.8 + patches, and 2.4.27 + patches`
`04:31.00`	`dendrite`	`mutk: There are other .... more philosophical differences.`
`04:31.14`	`dendrite`	`simonrvn: So I had the 2.6.x one right. =)`
`04:31.19`	`simonrvn`	`:)`
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`04:31.43`	`dendrite`	`mutk: Not least is that sid is likely to be broken, and if you complain about it then people will point and laugh at you.`
`04:31.53`	`nullcode`	`what's the other debian distro beside sarge ?`
`04:31.58`	`mutk`	`dendrite, Yes, of course, disregarding that. It is all just Linux plus a collection of packages afterall.`
`04:32.00`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I have installed xandros but it just doesn't work ... I want to use peachtree accounting and it won't run in wine ... is this in the debian bug list?`
`04:32.02`	`dendrite`	`nullcode: Etch is the current testing.`
`04:32.08`	`nullcode`	`k ,thx`
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`04:32.23`	`dendrite`	`mutk: Well, Sarge is considered by many to be the most stable server distro around.`
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`04:32.47`	`mutk`	`dendrite, Cool`
`04:32.51`	`simonrvn`	`pourritur1: see winehq.org. they're more likely to know`
`04:33.10`	`pourritur1`	`LOL`
`04:33.24`	`Stevie`	`i heard you should put gentoo on a server, cuz those things need to perform well and everybody knows that you generate more efficient programs when you compile them yourself!`
`04:33.27`	`Stevie`	`</sarcasm>`
`04:33.49`	`simonrvn`	`eh? they have that lists wine versions and winblows s/w compatibilities`
`04:33.50`	`pourritur1`	`simonrvn: thank you for offering to help ... but I was offering example of asshat question`
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`04:34.16`	`simonrvn`	`oh. i missed that xandros thing. hehehe`
`04:34.33`	`simonrvn`	`i know mine's jammed hehe`
`04:34.40`	`simonrvn`	`j/k`
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`04:35.04`	`simonrvn`	`i got my own canoe. i'm ok ;)`
`04:35.17`	`dendrite`	`=)`
`04:35.25`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I am not trolling .. I am attempting to relieve the stress that lead someone to put "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" in the topic`
`04:35.27`	`simonrvn`	`bbiab. getting some grub`
`04:35.46`	`simonrvn`	`i knew you weren't`
`04:35.50`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: It's OK.`
`04:35.55`	`smax`	`how do i play .wmv files in Debian ?`
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`04:36.12`	`pourritur1`	`SEEE`
`04:36.17`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Anyhow, I certainly hope you weren't trolling, because if you were, you have a lot to learn. :-)`
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`04:36.45`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I was trolling 10 years ago ... I have since grown up`
`04:36.46`	`dendrite`	`smax: Strictly speaking, you can't. Not sure if v4l or mplayer can deal or not.`
`04:37.05`	`pourritur1`	`mplayer can`
`04:37.23`	`smax`	`Debian cannot have mplayer`
`04:37.28`	`simonrvn`	`smax: /msg dpkg marillat`
`04:37.30`	`dendrite`	`smax: Ask dpkg about mplayer?`
`04:37.41`	`smax`	`http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html#isitin`
`04:37.42`	`smax`	`ok`
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`04:38.12`	`dendrite`	`smax: That's why I said that bit about "strictly speaking."`
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`04:39.13`	`coldcover`	`I've been trying to install amd64 etch on my new computer, but after a fairly successful installation, it keeps freezing at random places while it's booting, or just while it's running normally if I'm lucky enough to get that far. Anyone have an idea why that is? I'm wondering if I should try different file systems or something, or just settle for i386 (assuming that works...)`
`04:39.17`	`smax`	`what is marillat`
`04:39.30`	`pourritur1`	`it isn't debian anymore if you backport Ooo 2 or get the marillat multimedia packages`
`04:39.45`	`pourritur1`	`but I have both`
`04:39.51`	`dendrite`	`coldcover: Generally when linux hangs in different/unpredictable ways, that points to hardware issues.`
`04:40.11`	`devicenull`	`coldcover, bios update?`
`04:40.42`	`coldcover`	`devicenull: that's an idea, I'll see if there's a new one`
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`04:41.12`	`pourritur1`	`vlc does wmv ... but only if you have the marillat codecs`
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`04:42.29`	`smax`	`i get no results in apt-cache search marillat`
`04:42.39`	`smax`	`i guess i have to install this manually`
`04:42.46`	`dendrite`	`smax: Marillat is a separate repository.`
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`04:43.09`	`pourritur1`	`deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main`
`04:43.18`	`dendrite`	`That's right, it moved.`
`04:43.22`	`pourritur1`	`not debian`
`04:43.41`	`pourritur1`	`you no longer use debian if you use that`
`04:43.42`	`dendrite`	`Was marillat, now debian-multimedia.org...`
`04:43.44`	`enouf`	`smax: where mplayer lives`
`04:44.06`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: That's a bit ... harsh... ??`
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`04:44.43`	`pourritur1`	`but it is fun .... cause then you see the girls with jiggly titties in your wmv porn`
`04:45.06`	`dendrite`	`o_O`
`04:45.39`	`pourritur1`	`and you get css and dvd::rip`
`04:46.04`	`smax`	`xD`
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`04:46.07`	`pourritur1`	`but that is no longer debian`
`04:46.38`	`pourritur1`	`I just don't want to get deb or ian in trouble`
`04:46.55`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: I'm not sure I quite agree with your assertion that running non-debian software means your system is no longer debian.`
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`04:47.02`	`Debi4n`	`hi`
`04:47.04`	`Debi4n`	`http://linux.be/gfx.use/linux.screenshot.1449.1.png`
`04:47.14`	`Debi4n`	`what's that system monitor in the screen shot ?`
`04:47.27`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I don't either ... it is just a disclaimer`
`04:47.49`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Ah.`
`04:47.54`	`Debi4n`	`can any 1 tell me about the system monitor in the screenshot ?`
`04:48.33`	`pourritur1`	`pourriture@altbier:~$ uname -a`
`04:48.33`	`pourritur1`	`Linux altbier 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 #1 Mon Jul 17 01:39:03 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux`
`04:48.37`	`smax`	`i added deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main to /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update and still no results with apt-cache search marillat`
`04:48.39`	`smax`	`hmmm`
`04:48.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`is planned a upgrade of XORG for the release of debian ?`
`04:49.02`	`gravity`	`Thanatermesis: What do you MEAN?`
`04:49.12`	`gravity`	`Thanatermesis: UPGRADE from WHAT?`
`04:49.14`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: see ... my uname is an unofficial port ... just sayin'`
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`04:49.16`	`Debi4n`	`helloooooo`
`04:49.45`	`dendrite`	`smax: Try apt-cache search mplayer`
`04:49.51`	`dendrite`	`smax: marillat is not a package name.`
`04:49.54`	`Debi4n`	`dendrite .. hi`
`04:50.05`	`smax`	`ahhh`
`04:50.20`	`dendrite`	`Debi4n: Howdy!`
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`04:50.45`	`smax`	`thanx fellaz! you guys are great xD`
`04:51.00`	`smax`	`now i can watch squishy tities boggle up and down`
`04:51.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`gravity, xorg 7.0 to xorg 7.1 on debian for the release of ETCH`
`04:51.12`	`Debi4n`	`dendrite .. can you tell me the name of the system monitor in this screen shot http://linux.be/gfx.use/linux.screenshot.1449.1.png ?`
`04:51.14`	`gravity`	`Thanatermesis: Yes`
`04:51.16`	`pourritur1`	`smax: that is the spirit`
`04:51.27`	`gravity`	`Thanatermesis: It's unDERway`
`04:51.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... and you know a aproximately date for this upgrade ?`
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`04:52.37`	`gravity`	`Thanatermesis: About a week for sid, depending on several factors`
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`04:52.41`	`Debi4n`	`dendrite ?`
`04:52.41`	`dendrite`	`Debi4n: No clue. Plenty of eye candy there, eh?`
`04:52.48`	`grim`	`anyone have a url as to why the default inetd was changed?`
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`04:53.34`	`gravity`	`Thanatermesis: But the libs are almost all already in`
`04:53.38`	`gravity`	`So you're partway there`
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`04:53.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmh, one week for enter on testing ?`
`04:53.54`	`gravity`	`Oh, and all the apps are done, fwiw`
`04:54.05`	`gravity`	`Thanatermesis: No... one week for sid.`
`04:54.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh..`
`04:54.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`i need to wait a little more then :/`
`04:54.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks for the info :)`
`04:55.11`	`dendrite`	`Debi4n: Note that by directing your question at one person (me) you reduced your chances of getting the attention of somebody who might actually be able to answer...`
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`04:57.42`	`simonrvn`	`smax: apt-cache search mplayer would be better i think...`
`04:57.44`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: do you know where the disgronificator on my perambulator is? ... ---->DIRECTED TO YOU`
`04:57.50`	`simonrvn`	`nm, someone answered`
`04:58.12`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Yeah, that would be found at the VERY BOTTOM of your whiskey bottle. :-)`
`04:58.48`	`simonrvn`	`naw, tequila. it's right next to the grub.`
`04:58.52`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: it is beer`
`04:59.11`	`dendrite`	`!beer pourritur1`
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`05:06.28`	`simonrvn`	`o_O`
`05:06.30`	`pourritur1`	`I also get this question from friends who are dabbling in linux ... how do you do this in KDE .............. I DON'T know ... look for Kbash or Kconsole or Kterminal ... and then we cantalk`
`05:06.42`	`gravity`	`kantalk`
`05:06.50`	`simonrvn`	`heh`
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`05:08.07`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Well, I support users that would simply die at the sight of a command prompt. So the how do i ... in kde is a real question for some.`
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`05:08.47`	`^Cricket^`	`hi, i have a question as to where debian sets it's cflags`
`05:08.52`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: it is a real question for me ... I just don't know the answer`
`05:09.16`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: yeah, you can't just cut and paste a kde click stream, eh?`
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`05:10.16`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I have never installed kde ... I use fluxbox and wmaker and afterstep`
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`05:10.43`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: That makes it harder yet to support kde, eh? =)`
`05:10.52`	`pourritur1`	`yup`
`05:11.50`	`pourritur1`	`but like I said ... it is friends who ask kde questions ... not paying customers :)`
`05:11.59`	`simonrvn`	`ay, new openbox in sid, fyi`
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`05:13.21`	`MindHack`	`where do I specify the default route for eth0? I found /etc/networking/interfaces, but dont see anything in the manpage related to the default gw`
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`05:14.16`	`dendrite`	`MindHack: gateway statement.`
`05:14.29`	`pourritur1`	`I finally convinced the wife that POSIX command line with bash was the finest degree of control that you could get on a computer ... and now she is all about freebsd and makes fun of me for using linx`
`05:14.37`	`pourritur1`	`geek bitch`
`05:14.53`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: You had that coming. :-)`
`05:15.00`	`pourritur1`	`i did`
`05:15.29`	`MindHack`	`dendrite, ah, there it is :) Time for me to get my eyes checked. Thanks`
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`05:18.11`	`pourritur1`	`so I told all my clients ... don't look for me thurs or fri cause there is a big storm coming ... and now Ernesto is turning and I am already drunk .....`
`05:18.38`	`pourritur1`	`stppid hurricane`
`05:18.47`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Latest track is more like it was 18 hours ago. So keep drinking.`
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`05:19.21`	`dendrite`	`I am so hoping it comes over us. We are parched here. (Northern VA)`
`05:19.24`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I am 6 miles N of charleston`
`05:19.44`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Heck, it'll be a spittle by the time it gets to you...`
`05:19.56`	`dendrite`	`Oh, Charleston.`
`05:20.10`	`dendrite`	`I was thinking West VA, not the carolinas.`
`05:21.30`	`pourritur1`	`it is going to skirt around us`
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`05:22.08`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Tell your clients you had to go help some of your mates... :-)`
`05:22.24`	`pourritur1`	`and I have been rsyncing and tar.gz'ing and so forth all week`
`05:22.44`	`pourritur1`	`and they will not care .. cause it didn't hit`
`05:23.01`	`assclown`	`i need some help resizing a partition (XFS... increase size)`
`05:23.07`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Summarize, and call it their "Continuity of Operations Plan"`
`05:23.26`	`assclown`	`i'm trying to use the GParted liveCD, but it says i need to load some kernel modules for XFS grow (ie. increase size) support`
`05:23.27`	`assclown`	`:S`
`05:23.35`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: PERFECT`
`05:24.08`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: I should know, I used to do government/defense contracting. :-/`
`05:24.25`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: for what gov?`
`05:24.31`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Fed.`
`05:24.50`	`dendrite`	`And a little for state and local. Typical beltway bandit, we'd do anything for money.`
`05:24.58`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: I used to work of DoD / DoE at oak ridge`
`05:25.00`	`dendrite`	`And I do mean anything.`
`05:25.29`	`dendrite`	`Some of the DARPA stuff was cool. But the politics... Ugh!`
`05:26.11`	`pickcoder`	`wilm, nc here`
`05:26.11`	`assclown`	`can anyone help ?`
`05:26.17`	`pickcoder`	`we're past due for another storm`
`05:26.20`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: but that was my engineering phase ... I gave up doing research science to be a geek for hire`
`05:26.35`	`dendrite`	`assclown: 'modprobe <module>'`
`05:26.42`	`assclown`	`?`
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`05:26.55`	`assclown`	`<--- noob`
`05:26.57`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: I may be heading in the 'geek for hire' direction presently...`
`05:27.08`	`assclown`	`does anyone know the module i need to load for XFS support?`
`05:27.08`	`streuner_`	`!n00b`
`05:27.09`	`dpkg`	`n00b is, like, l33t jargon for newbie.`
`05:27.12`	`assclown`	`(in GParted)`
`05:27.30`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: if you do that ... don't do residential`
`05:27.35`	`pourritur1`	`PERIOD`
`05:27.36`	`dendrite`	`assclown: 'modprobe' is the command to load a module. Do you know the name of the module you need to load?`
`05:27.42`	`assclown`	`no`
`05:27.48`	`assclown`	`it didnt say on the gparted site >_<`
`05:27.51`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Ah. Lots of very demanding cheapskates?`
`05:28.04`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: BINGO`
`05:28.06`	`dendrite`	`assclown: Well, that's what you need to find out.`
`05:28.16`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: I resemble that remark! :-)`
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`05:28.41`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: a business will pay $200 for you to install a printer`
`05:28.59`	`pickcoder`	`$200?`
`05:29.02`	`pickcoder`	`heh`
`05:29.19`	`ubi`	`wow`
`05:29.41`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: residential customers will tell you how smart the 13-year old down the street is`
`05:30.06`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: I can imagine.`
`05:30.26`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: And you can't ask them... "Uh, like then why did you call ME?" ...`
`05:31.25`	`pickcoder`	`pourritur1: that's when you tell them that "Jimmy" totally screwed things up and it's going to take you 3 times longer than normal`
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`05:31.39`	`dendrite`	`pickcoder: You're a natural.`
`05:31.42`	`simonrvn`	`assclown: uh, xfs...`
`05:31.43`	`pickcoder`	`pourritur1: odds are they won't ask for his help again`
`05:31.46`	`pickcoder`	`:P`
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`05:32.23`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: the difference is that if a business can't print , they can't bill ... if a residential client can't print , they don't have pictures of cousin Gus playing with the dog`
`05:32.49`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Yep. To a business, it's real value.`
`05:33.02`	`assclown`	`simonrvn - well i suppose another option is to just kill the XFS partition (the one which linux is on, which i'm using to speak), and just remake it`
`05:33.16`	`assclown`	`or should I use reiser?`
`05:33.23`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: that is my experience`
`05:33.31`	`dendrite`	`assclown: As a newbie, consider using the usual ext3 ?`
`05:34.06`	`dendrite`	`assclown: Until you have solid reasons to depart from the standard defaults...`
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`05:34.45`	`assclown`	`dendrite - filesharing :)`
`05:35.04`	`assclown`	`as in large fiels`
`05:35.06`	`assclown`	`files(`
`05:35.08`	`assclown`	`files*`
`05:35.14`	`dendrite`	`assclown: Ah.`
`05:35.20`	`sep`	`assclown, those are not realy that large.`
`05:35.24`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: if it comes down to "we have $10,000 worth of bills to print" and "we have pictures of cousin Gus with the dog to print" ... you get paid less for gus`
`05:35.33`	`sep`	`assclown, ext3 handles it easily`
`05:35.40`	`assclown`	`what isn't that large?`
`05:35.47`	`assclown`	`1gb+ files are large`
`05:35.58`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Or, you don't get the job, because you bill the same for gus as for invoice printer...?`
`05:36.00`	`assclown`	`and reiser/XFS are faster handling them`
`05:36.14`	`sep`	`assclown, only partition i use xfs on for a reason is my backup drives that store 50-250GB backup images`
`05:36.31`	`sep`	`assclown, 1g+ avi's are just larger then average files :)`
`05:36.59`	`assclown`	`if it makes you happy, i use ext3 for /boot`
`05:37.00`	`assclown`	`:P`
`05:37.04`	`assclown`	`hahaha`
`05:37.27`	`dendrite`	`assclown: Silly rabbit! ext2 for boot! No need for a journal there!! ;-)`
`05:37.28`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: you see the prob`
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`05:37.54`	`assclown`	`so ext2 is all that is needed for boot hey`
`05:38.00`	`FarrisG`	`If you've got a dual-core opteron, and you're running an SMP kernel, does the OS treat it as two available procs, or is it more like a virtual proc/ht?`
`05:38.04`	`assclown`	`guess i'll just start fresh with a linux install`
`05:38.12`	`dendrite`	`assclown: The difference is nearly nil, I was being silly.`
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`05:38.20`	`sep`	`assclown, not needed, but it realy dont hurt that much either.`
`05:38.26`	`pickcoder`	`FarrisG: Opterons have two separate caches and dies`
`05:38.32`	`dendrite`	`assclown: Instead of rebuilding, try to solve the question. It'll make you a better admin.`
`05:38.33`	`pickcoder`	`FarrisG: dual-core Opterons do`
`05:38.35`	`assclown`	`it should act as two CPU's`
`05:38.38`	`assclown`	`seperate...`
`05:38.43`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: the difficulty that I have is when my business clients have a home computer problem ... and they say can you just drop by the house .... .... ....`
`05:38.44`	`assclown`	`least mine does :S`
`05:38.54`	`pickcoder`	`FarrisG: I have a 275 running and it shows two CPUs`
`05:38.55`	`assclown`	`(pent)`
`05:39.34`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Consider having a slightly different rate for home service, so you can clearly state that you will bill them... For instance make it a larger time block.`
`05:39.48`	`FarrisG`	`pickcoder: Excellent.`
`05:40.05`	`FarrisG`	`pickcoder: So if you have two dual-core procs, and you're running a multi-threaded app that can make efficient use of multiple procs in a system, you can theoretically run a job in close to 1/4 of the time you could on a single equivalent core?`
`05:40.08`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Or, just eat it, if it's loss leader...`
`05:40.13`	`assclown`	`hurrah!`
`05:40.17`	`assclown`	`the watercooling isnt leaking`
`05:40.18`	`assclown`	`:P`
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`05:40.36`	`assclown`	`gotta love araldite`
`05:40.55`	`dendrite`	`assclown: What's araldite?`
`05:41.01`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: that is what I do ... mark it in the mental calendar .. and the next office visit is more`
`05:41.05`	`assclown`	`a strong glue :D`
`05:41.10`	`assclown`	`can glue so much stuff together`
`05:41.13`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: and home is "free"`
`05:41.16`	`dendrite`	`assclown: Ah.`
`05:41.18`	`assclown`	`its an epoxy resin...`
`05:41.31`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Free like a free hit of heroin, eh? =)`
`05:41.33`	`assclown`	`can glue most metals, plastics, ceramics etc`
`05:41.54`	`dendrite`	`assclown: JB weld. :-)`
`05:42.01`	`pickcoder`	`FarrisG: that really depends on scheduling in the kernel. I'm not up to snuff on SMP now, but from what I'm told 2.6 kernels have more efficient scheduling.`
`05:42.04`	`assclown`	`i suppose its australia's version of jb weld`
`05:42.05`	`assclown`	`:)`
`05:42.25`	`assclown`	`so i remade my watercooling resovoir`
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`05:42.39`	`assclown`	`metal barbs/pipes, PVC pipe container`
`05:42.49`	`pourritur1`	`dendrite: the storm is coming and I promised to make sweet love to the wife ...`
`05:42.54`	`pickcoder`	`FarrisG: a process that can run on single CPU will be dedicated to a specific CPU and the rest of the stuff shares another processor.. or something like that`
`05:43.07`	`dendrite`	`pourritur1: Don't let #debian stand in your way!!!`
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`05:43.15`	`pickcoder`	`FarrisG: you should ask in the kernel list or the channel`
`05:43.28`	`dendrite`	`I should wander off as well. Nice chatting!`
`05:44.04`	`merlincorey`	`aaaaah!`
`05:44.05`	`merlincorey`	`help me`
`05:44.23`	`merlincorey`	`I just realized I installed this debian box and mispartitioned`
`05:44.29`	`merlincorey`	`I have 1mb free in /home`
`05:44.33`	`merlincorey`	`can I repartition?`
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`05:45.10`	`pickcoder`	`merlincorey: you can always dedicate a new driver to /home and swap the mounts`
`05:45.15`	`pickcoder`	`s/driver/drive`
`05:45.17`	`merlincorey`	`well`
`05:45.19`	`merlincorey`	`either way`
`05:45.42`	`pourritur1`	`merlin ... make a file in big free space and mkfs -F on it and mount it as /home`
`05:45.42`	`merlincorey`	`I am ignorant of the software to use, what's the one that the installer uses?`
`05:45.44`	`pickcoder`	`depends on how critical the current setup is <G>`
`05:45.47`	`merlincorey`	`or would you recommend another?`
`05:46.01`	`merlincorey`	`I guess I could just try all the tools from an apt-cache search :S but I have limited space :p`
`05:46.08`	`pourritur1`	`mount it with -loop`
`05:46.42`	`merlincorey`	`I accidentally made /home 60megabytes instead of 60gigabytes`
`05:46.43`	`merlincorey`	`lol`
`05:46.43`	`pourritur1`	`and you may have to make a new user ... but as it is a fresh install it shouldn't matter`
`05:46.44`	`pickcoder`	`pourritur1: true.. and you can easily backup /home with it being a file`
`05:46.48`	`merlincorey`	`so the current /home is not very important`
`05:48.45`	`pourritur1`	`that was just a thought ...`
`05:48.52`	`mutk`	`merlincorey, That is a shame.. Hey you know I have done this before.. fdisk the disk, delete the original partition, re-create it extending the end boundary.. Most of the time there is no harm done to the filesystem withing the partition.`
`05:49.09`	`merlincorey`	`well`
`05:49.11`	`merlincorey`	`in theory`
`05:49.18`	`merlincorey`	`since I have /home in its own mount point`
`05:49.26`	`merlincorey`	`can't I unmount it and repartition without a reboot?`
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`05:49.36`	`mutk`	`merlincorey, Because the fdisk only writes to the partition table, and does not touch the data area on disk at all.`
`05:49.55`	`merlincorey`	`so I cannot do this with any part of the hard drive mounted, then?`
`05:49.59`	`mutk`	`merlincorey, You need to have it un-mounted yes. A rescue disk will allow that`
`05:50.30`	`pourritur1`	`merlincorey: or you could dd a file in /usr or wherever you have room and mount that as /home`
`05:50.43`	`pourritur1`	`as a virtual disk`
`05:50.51`	`mutk`	`merlincorey, Note that re-partitioning simply resizes the underlying partition, the filesystem itself needs to be resized..`
`05:50.55`	`merlincorey`	`I don't have a floppy drive`
`05:51.02`	`merlincorey`	`can I use a netinstall disk as a rescue`
`05:51.06`	`mutk`	`merlincorey, rescue CD`
`05:51.22`	`merlincorey`	`what about the recovery option in grub or whatever?`
`05:51.32`	`merlincorey`	`can't I do something before it mounts the hard drive`
`05:51.36`	`merlincorey`	`or set it up so I can`
`05:51.43`	`merlincorey`	`I don't have any way to make a rescue CD`
`05:51.44`	`pourritur1`	`ok .. my advice suck apparently`
`05:51.45`	`mutk`	`resize2fs IIRC is what can be used to resize an ext2/3 filesystem`
`05:51.56`	`merlincorey`	`pourritur1, the space exists only in freespace`
`05:52.00`	`merlincorey`	`I have no space anywhere else really`
`05:52.27`	`merlincorey`	`thanks will check that out`
`05:53.05`	`mutk`	`Ah well. merlincorey That is beauty of LVM, it would make this a trivial problem... Take a backup of your data BTW before you do anything..`
`05:53.45`	`merlincorey`	`clean box`
`05:53.47`	`merlincorey`	`no data yet`
`05:54.11`	`merlincorey`	`I'd just have to reinstall worst case scenario :P`
`05:54.11`	`liable_`	`merlincorey: yes you can use the install disk`
`05:54.19`	`merlincorey`	`liable, do you offhand know the boot option? I looked (using F3) but was unable to divine it`
`05:55.12`	`liable_`	`merlincorey: sarge disk?`
`05:55.21`	`merlincorey`	`yes`
`05:55.27`	`merlincorey`	`but I have updated to etch`
`05:55.47`	`liable_`	`merlincorey: just boot it up, let it run to the partitioner, then switch to vt2`
`05:56.06`	`merlincorey`	`cool`
`05:56.13`	`pourritur1`	`any mount that you do have free space in can be used as a "virtual partition" if you dd if=/dev/zero of=/free/space count=you_do_the_math and then mkfs -f /free/space and mount /free/space as /home`
`05:56.19`	`merlincorey`	`do you know offhand what it has on it? (parted, ext2resize?)`
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`05:56.45`	`pourritur1`	`god that is explained poorly ... but it works`
`05:56.46`	`merlincorey`	`and thanks :)`
`05:56.49`	`liable_`	`merlincorey: only busybox`
`05:57.02`	`liable_`	`ie a limited set of tools`
`05:57.04`	`merlincorey`	`yes I understand thed concept pourritur1 but I am not going to do the math I will try the install CD as a rescue disk :p`
`05:57.20`	`merlincorey`	`then if that fails`
`05:57.23`	`merlincorey`	`I'll work out the math :)`
`05:59.43`	`merlincorey`	`ok`
`05:59.45`	`merlincorey`	`wish me luck`
`05:59.46`	`merlincorey`	`:p`
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`06:01.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`what did the marillat server change to?`
`06:01.46`	`streuner_`	`URL`
`06:02.00`	`pourritur1`	`LinuxNIT: debian-multimedia ... I think`
`06:02.04`	`enouf`	`deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main`
`06:02.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`thanks guys`
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`06:03.34`	`jrsims`	`anyone know how the freebsd kernel compares to the linux kernel?`
`06:04.18`	`ApEtc`	`tastes great, less filling`
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`06:04.22`	`pourritur1`	`jrsims: is this a "my kernel is bigger than yours" conversation??`
`06:04.36`	`assclown`	`thats like saying, how does sand compare to paint stripper?`
`06:04.38`	`MindHack`	`ApEtc, thats a good answer :)`
`06:05.24`	`jrsims`	`I'm just curious as to the advantages/disadvantages of each/`
`06:05.30`	`assclown`	`ok`
`06:05.35`	`assclown`	`what are you going to use the machine for?`
`06:05.44`	`pourritur1`	`www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu`
`06:05.44`	`assclown`	`if it is largely desktop use`
`06:05.48`	`assclown`	`go linux...`
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`06:05.58`	`pourritur1`	`www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu`
`06:06.02`	`pourritur1`	`sorry`
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`06:06.13`	`pourritur1`	`didn't mean to do that twice`
`06:06.25`	`jrsims`	`but it seems the reason to go linux for desktop is only because there are more desktoppy things for linux. Am I right?`
`06:06.30`	`pourritur1`	`but that is debian on a bsd kernel`
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`06:07.13`	`helmut6`	`Hi. I'd need a portforward from any tcp6 address to a specific tcp4 port. Can someone provide me that? (I currently only have ipv6 and like to get to my server to enable a 6to4tunnel.)`
`06:07.21`	`jrsims`	`As far as I can tell, linux kernel is completely modular.`
`06:07.27`	`jrsims`	`and that's the big diff`
`06:07.51`	`assclown`	`linux also generally has better hardware support`
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`06:08.09`	`pourritur1`	`and linux guys get all the chix`
`06:08.15`	`assclown`	`lol`
`06:08.17`	`jrsims`	`but is that because of the larger development community, or because it's easier to write drivers for linux?`
`06:08.25`	`Tallu`	`pourritur1: that goes without saying`
`06:09.08`	`assclown`	`i'd say it is the larger development community`
`06:09.23`	`assclown`	`there is also another intersting prospect - Solaris`
`06:09.44`	`pourritur1`	`but my chik uses freebsd ... so I am caught in a "OH-MY-GOD-THESE-PEOPLE-ARE-GEEKS" thing and I will never get laid again`
`06:09.45`	`basanta`	`any repository for realplayer ?`
`06:09.51`	`sep`	`jrsims, bsd's have traditionaly had better forwarding rate, (routers firewalls) but i think that's been narrowed down significantly if you use decent nics with napi on linux`
`06:09.54`	`assclown`	`there is Nexenta or something around... debian on a solaris kernel :)`
`06:10.54`	`exobyte`	`loo. assclown`
`06:10.59`	`jrsims`	`interesting`
`06:11.36`	`assclown`	`anyways... be back later`
`06:11.37`	`exobyte`	`on a fresh debian install, how can I get the headers that the env var KERNELPATH is associated with?`
`06:11.41`	`assclown`	`gotta reformat this crapbox`
`06:11.41`	`helmut6`	`Can someone tell me whether google has an ipv6 address?`
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`06:12.43`	`exobyte`	`isn't ipv6 that thing they use for research?`
`06:13.01`	`helmut6`	`exobyte: ipv6 is the protocol that superseeds ipv4.`
`06:13.21`	`helmut6`	`exobyte: atm I don't have a usable ipv4 address, but an ipv6 address.`
`06:13.50`	`helmut6`	`exobyte: If you know a way outside (=ipv4), please tell me.`
`06:14.31`	`exobyte`	`tunneling?`
`06:14.41`	`exobyte`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:14.55`	`bcr`	`ipv6 is a protocol that has been trying for 10 years to supersede ipv4 ;p`
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`06:15.26`	`helmut6`	`exobyte: great where to?`
`06:15.38`	`exobyte`	`uhh, isp?`
`06:15.58`	`helmut6`	`exobyte: my isp currently only provides ipv6 access.`
`06:16.00`	`exobyte`	`do you have an ipv6 dns you can query?`
`06:16.06`	`helmut6`	`yes.`
`06:16.15`	`exobyte`	`lemme guess, nothing for google`
`06:16.21`	`mutk`	`helmut6, They must have a ipv6-> ipv4 gateway`
`06:16.21`	`helmut6`	`bingo`
`06:16.42`	`helmut6`	`mutk: they don't. actually I think ipv6 beeing available was not planned.`
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`06:17.07`	`exobyte`	`NetRange: 2001:4860:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 - 2001:4860:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF`
`06:17.11`	`exobyte`	`that's google`
`06:17.13`	`exobyte`	`somewhere`
`06:17.14`	`mutk`	`helmut6, Who are these people? CowBoyISP inc`
`06:18.06`	`mutk`	`BTW, ipv6 is big in Asian countries...`
`06:18.11`	`helmut6`	`mutk: uhm. I don't want to tell, sorry.`
`06:19.52`	`exobyte`	`kinda sad that half of silicon valley is near formerally trashy parts of town`
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`06:23.02`	`merlincorey`	`now the moment of truth`
`06:23.25`	`merlincorey`	`55gigs free`
`06:23.26`	`merlincorey`	`yay!`
`06:23.45`	`merlincorey`	`thanks a lot`
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`06:24.26`	`mutk`	`merlincorey, It worked? Did you use a filesystem resize?`
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`06:25.47`	`merlincorey`	`I used the expert install`
`06:25.54`	`merlincorey`	`which let me load the media from the CD`
`06:26.01`	`merlincorey`	`and then it installed the module for partitioning`
`06:26.10`	`merlincorey`	`which downloaded fdisk, parted, and some other stuff`
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`06:26.34`	`merlincorey`	`I used the repartioner in the installer because I couldn't figure out what the end numbers meant in parted`
`06:26.47`	`merlincorey`	`repartitioner, too`
`06:27.08`	`merlincorey`	`bugt`
`06:27.09`	`merlincorey`	`but`
`06:27.18`	`merlincorey`	`I think all it did was use my input and give the proper info to parted`
`06:27.28`	`merlincorey`	`because I saw some of the same returns from my play in ash :P`
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`06:39.02`	`merlincorey`	`later`
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`06:49.35`	`sdfdfs`	`hi all, i decided to change kern.log rotation interval but i cannot find it in logrotate configuration...theres a default rotate interval in logrotate.conf but they are not rotated at that interval....any hint ?`
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`06:52.17`	`fireba11`	`sdfdfs: for me kernelog si rotated accordingly to the default entry in logrotate.conf .. ^^`
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`06:52.59`	`kasha`	`Hi all , Anybody know LDAP editor where i may add , move , delete users a bulk - for example: select several users and move to another (ou) with drag & drop function ?`
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`06:54.22`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 hmm thats strange because the default entry says 90 days and it is rotated in 7 days`
`06:54.40`	`fireba11`	`sdfdfs: mine does say weekly and keep 4 logs though`
`06:55.30`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 weekly and rotate 5 right ?`
`06:55.49`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 i have daily and rotate 90`
`06:56.04`	`fireba11`	`sdfdfs: why the hell you need that many logs ?`
`06:56.30`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 but kern.log does weeekly and rotate 7`
`06:56.49`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 law.`
`06:57.32`	`fireba11`	`sdfdfs you are lookgin at /etc/logrotate.conf right ? :-D`
`06:57.51`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 :P`
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`06:58.03`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 yes, of course :P`
`06:58.33`	`fireba11`	`you got anything in logrotate.d ?`
`06:59.49`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 found it!`
`07:00.38`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 sysklogd logs are rotated by /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd`
`07:00.41`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 not by logrotate`
`07:00.51`	`sdfdfs`	`fireba11 http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/05/msg00136.html`
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`07:04.25`	`fireba11`	`sdfdfs: oh, right ... head@table`
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`07:05.53`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`07:05.53`	`dpkg`	`popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
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`07:09.35`	`merlincorey`	`anyone able to help troubleshoot the contrib package java-package? I was trying to build the JRE with make-jpkg but there appears to be an error and it tries to tar something and sends a null character to tar's input`
`07:09.55`	`merlincorey`	`or should I be posting bugs / emailing upstream developers because their crap is broken?`
`07:09.55`	`merlincorey`	`:P`
`07:10.13`	`cydork`	`merlincorey: past the output in a pastebin`
`07:10.28`	`merlincorey`	`kay-o`
`07:10.30`	`merlincorey`	`moment please :)`
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`07:13.46`	`merlincorey`	`ok`
`07:13.48`	`merlincorey`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/XSkVQF15.html`
`07:13.55`	`nopealicious`	`hello; i need some intel; im doing a customized kernel and everytime i try booting it it goes "unable to open root fs on block (0,0)" on me`
`07:14.00`	`merlincorey`	`I also get some errors where it's trying to add some directories and such`
`07:14.06`	`merlincorey`	`but I think the error with tar is seperate`
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`07:14.29`	`nopealicious`	`i do supply a root= directive; and i basically just copied the old section of the grub menu.lst to load the new kernel`
`07:14.51`	`nopealicious`	`then i made the kernel with make-kpkg, hoping it would correctly boot the thing and bam! same error`
`07:14.55`	`nopealicious`	`unable to mount root fs`
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`07:15.09`	`nopealicious`	`any suggestions?`
`07:15.13`	`merlincorey`	`well`
`07:15.18`	`merlincorey`	`did you properly configure it?`
`07:15.23`	`merlincorey`	`include the fs stuff that you needed?`
`07:15.25`	`merlincorey`	`the ide stuff?`
`07:15.30`	`merlincorey`	`I know that's a common pitfall`
`07:15.39`	`nopealicious`	`hm what u mean? the ide stuff`
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`07:15.57`	`merlincorey`	`your custom kernel needs to have stuff in it to open block devices`
`07:16.16`	`nopealicious`	`i haven't found any options i "need on" in any guide.. like one needs with gentoo in example..`
`07:16.29`	`merlincorey`	`this is debian not gentoo`
`07:16.33`	`merlincorey`	`have you read newbiedoc?`
`07:16.50`	`merlincorey`	`there is a great tutorial on using debian's tools to make a custom kernel`
`07:16.50`	`nopealicious`	`no; i used google`
`07:16.56`	`merlincorey`	`use google again`
`07:17.04`	`merlincorey`	`and search newbiedoc make-kpkg`
`07:17.07`	`nopealicious`	`uhh i already wasted a day`
`07:17.07`	`cydork`	`nopealicious: did you use initrd?`
`07:17.10`	`merlincorey`	`you can thank me later`
`07:17.30`	`nopealicious`	`cydork, no`
`07:17.37`	`cydork`	`nopealicious: /msg dpkg kp-mantra`
`07:17.49`	`nopealicious`	`the latest build which i didn't test so far has initrd`
`07:17.51`	`merlincorey`	`or check newbiedoc for something more verbose than kp-mantra`
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`07:18.18`	`my007ms`	`hello all`
`07:18.46`	`nopealicious`	`i hate the word newbie; its beeing used to often by stupid ppl`
`07:19.06`	`merlincorey`	`hello my007ms`
`07:19.11`	`cydork`	`merlincorey: so it doesn't create a deb? or wht?`
`07:19.13`	`merlincorey`	`!hello all`
`07:19.19`	`nopealicious`	`amd cydork thats basically what i did`
`07:19.35`	`merlincorey`	`cydork, no it fails right there after passing improper arguments to tar`
`07:19.41`	`nopealicious`	`i will go and thest that one with --initrd but i didn't give it very much changes :<`
`07:19.47`	`my007ms`	`i need to insert exact "line" in all file in exact line nomber without overwrite and think in file`
`07:20.03`	`merlincorey`	`nopealicious, get over your prejudice and check out newbiedoc it is debian specific documentation mostly and will help you as you are obviously new to debian`
`07:21.06`	`nopealicious`	`merlincorey, new to debian; but as i said i spent a day reading about custom kernels/built several lionux from scratch yet, so not sure a newbiedoc will anything but annoy me; yet thanks merlincorey`
`07:21.11`	`merlincorey`	`my007ms, in every file on your hard drive? Might be an interesting shell trick for you to try`
`07:21.23`	`Tallu`	`nopealicious: it gives good info on debian specific tricks`
`07:21.23`	`merlincorey`	`nopealicious, shut the fuck up and go read`
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`07:21.30`	`my007ms`	`:D`
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`07:21.40`	`Tallu`	`nopealicious: i had prior experience from linux but it was still useful to me.`
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`07:21.48`	`merlincorey`	`nopealicious, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html`
`07:21.55`	`nopealicious`	`point taken`
`07:22.22`	`nopealicious`	`omg`
`07:22.37`	`nopealicious`	`okok i even been there not realizing what its name`
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`07:23.10`	`cydork`	`merlincorey: did you checked if it has created deb or not. coz i dont see anything wrong`
`07:23.14`	`nopealicious`	`and i did several packages from this guide yet`
`07:23.25`	`nopealicious`	`neither of them changing the error :<`
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`07:24.28`	`merlincorey`	`cydork, holy cow it worked that time... I have no idea why. You must be my luck :P`
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`07:25.21`	`merlincorey`	`nopealicious, follow the directions in the file from the start then :) make sure and make menueconfig or xconfig and be sure to have block-device support`
`07:25.35`	`SlayerXP`	Sephiroth`: i don't accept ptivate messages from people I don't know
`07:25.53`	`merlincorey`	!tell Sephiroth` about private message\
`07:25.56`	`merlincorey`	!tell Sephiroth` about private message
`07:25.56`	`SlayerXP`	Sephiroth`: it's unlikely you have anything to say to me that I don't mind the reset of #debian seeing
`07:26.10`	`merlincorey`	!tell Sephiroth` about pm
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`07:26.22`	`SlayerXP`	`!tell merlincorey about botabuse`
`07:26.37`	`merlincorey`	`dpkg, botsnack`
`07:26.37`	`dpkg`	`merlincorey: aw, gee`
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`07:32.51`	`HandyAndy`	`hello, is there anyone here who can help me with a problem ive got with smtp auth?`
`07:33.48`	`SlayerXP`	`HandyAndy: until you've explained the problem you're having, clearly and concisely, no-one can help you.`
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`07:34.17`	`HandyAndy`	`yep i'll explain the problem`
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`07:35.11`	`ootput`	`have any of you any experience with multiple repos (say, both etch & sarge) provided by apt-move?`
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`07:35.38`	`ootput`	`specifying DIST in apt-move.conf doesn't seem to avoid clobbering of packages`
`07:36.17`	`g333k`	`Hi, is there a problem if I install debian in a logical partition than a primary partition?`
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`07:36.46`	`fm`	`Hello, Any one to suggest a good Commercial CMS which runs on Debian (basically linux).`
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`07:36.50`	`merlincorey`	`the primary partitions generally have to do with booting, I think, g333k`
`07:36.50`	`fireba11`	`ootput: why the hell you want to mix distros ? that is likely to get borked sooner or later`
`07:37.02`	`merlincorey`	`but you should be fine on logicals`
`07:37.04`	`merlincorey`	`in my experiencve`
`07:37.06`	`merlincorey`	`-v`
`07:37.23`	`merlincorey`	`have a good night #debian`
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`07:37.29`	`HandyAndy`	`http://falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/index.php - i used this guide to setup my debian server and followed the postfix/smtp auth to the letter. I am using postfix, saslauthd. However, when i try to authenticate using telnet localhost 25 as a test after creating mime key I always get "authentication failed" message. I have tried using the saslpasswd2 program to enter a user/password but it still fails`
`07:37.29`	`HandyAndy`	`on me.`
`07:37.53`	`ootput`	`fireba11: not unless that's not what I'm doing. I have sarge and etch boxes. I'd like to sync packages from each with a single local repo`
`07:38.24`	`numist`	`I've done everything I can to turn off dma, and it just keeps trying on boot.. gah`
`07:38.30`	`ootput`	`fireba11: have you any experience with apt-move?`
`07:38.35`	`fireba11`	`ootput: no`
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`07:44.39`	`levander`	`Anyone know why copies of "The Magic Garden Explained" that are in new condition are selling for over $100?`
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`07:47.08`	`g333k`	`off topic, I have mi laptop toshiba satellite... how can I expand the video RAM from 64M to 128M`
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`07:47.53`	`levander`	`g333k: i'd assume you'd need a new video card`
`07:48.01`	`levander`	`g333k: people in hardware probably know more`
`07:48.30`	`ootput`	`g333k: is that even possible?`
`07:48.41`	`levander`	`g333k: #hardware i meant`
`07:48.58`	`ofer0`	`When sending mail to bla@anything.mydomain.com, Exim says: "550 relay not permitted". but it accepts bla@mydomain.com. How can I make it accept also bla@anything.mydomain.com ?`
`07:49.11`	`g333k`	`ootput, levander, in the manual says that: "ATI MOBILITY? RADEON? 9000 IGP (integrated video); 64MB of shared memory, user adjustable to 128MB"`
`07:49.33`	`ootput`	`g333k: shared memory?`
`07:49.43`	`levander`	`g333k: it's sharing memory meaning it's using RAM`
`07:49.44`	`g333k`	`ootput, yep`
`07:49.54`	`g333k`	`levander, yeah I know`
`07:49.57`	`levander`	`g333k: poke around in your BIOS to see if you see anything`
`07:50.09`	`g333k`	`levander, I searched but I find nothing`
`07:50.14`	`levander`	`g333k: but, you will lower your regular System RAM by upping the RAM for the video card`
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`07:51.16`	`levander`	`g333k: it has to be in the BIOS somewhere, i'd look for an email address for Toshiba support, then maybe ATI support`
`07:51.55`	`levander`	`g333k: companies like DELL give free lifetime phone support, i'd be surprised if Toshiba wouldn't take your phone call`
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`07:56.00`	`MFox`	`hey all :-P`
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`07:58.44`	`levander`	`what's the name of the server that this channel moved to? i keep forgetting the name`
`07:59.23`	`Cephexin`	`is it gonna be important?`
`07:59.27`	`Cephexin`	`gotta go`
`07:59.34`	`Cephexin`	`;) rux=;`
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`08:00.16`	`inv2004`	`hi all`
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`08:00.34`	`Maakuth`	`does anyone know of a music player which caches local file reads`
`08:00.40`	`Maakuth`	`not only streams`
`08:01.11`	`inv2004`	`is there no nvidia-glx in testing ?`
`08:01.19`	`inv2004`	`how to setup it then ?`
`08:01.37`	`Maakuth`	`because now i have a sshfs mount and listening music from it stutters now and then`
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`08:01.52`	`Maakuth`	`inv2004, there isn't, i think`
`08:02.09`	`inv2004`	`but how to setup nvidia-glx ?`
`08:02.13`	`inv2004`	`from unstable ?`
`08:02.18`	`Maakuth`	`i would just install nvidia's drivers from the package you can download from nvidia.com`
`08:02.28`	`Maakuth`	`don't know what the right way to do it is, however`
`08:02.35`	`cydork`	`inv2004: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner`
`08:03.02`	`cydork`	`Maakuth: that's not the debian way. and only debian way of doing things is supported here :)`
`08:03.13`	`inv2004`	`cydork: sry?`
`08:03.20`	`Maakuth`	`cydork, yeah i guessed so`
`08:03.30`	`cydork`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`08:03.30`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>.`
`08:03.32`	`inv2004`	`ow`
`08:03.35`	`cydork`	`inv2004: ^^`
`08:03.38`	`inv2004`	`thx`
`08:03.45`	`inv2004`	`its the bot`
`08:04.30`	`Maakuth`	`but it's not too debian-esque to use wholly closed source driver either`
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`08:05.42`	`cydork`	`Maakuth: that's why it's in non-free :)`
`08:06.07`	`Guerin`	`!set up x`
`08:06.07`	`dpkg`	`set up x is, like, First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer.`
`08:06.14`	`Maakuth`	`cydork, yeah`
`08:06.42`	`inv2004`	strange, there'is nvidia-kernel for my `uname -r`, but I should install over m-a.
`08:07.55`	`inv2004`	does nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` use for?
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`08:09.12`	`inv2004`	`what ...`
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`08:13.45`	`sdfdfs`	`why syslog logs are handled by sysklogd cron.daily cron scripts and not by logrotate '`
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`08:15.03`	`my007ms`	`i have much zone to mange in my dns server so i creat acount to help disk ppl to edit zone but they keep miss do this all the time so i wish find web apps make them can manges dns zone something like yast in suse but web`
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`08:27.08`	`RobHu`	`Could someone please help? I can type the British pound symbol locally in a term but not when sshed somewhere... it comes out like this: £`
`08:28.23`	`korgano`	`Hi everybody, good a probably simple question: How can I downgrade a single package (installed libreadline5 from testing, but need the version from stable)? tia`
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`08:29.52`	`RobHu`	`I can do it on a local terminal but if I ssh somewhere I canthelp`
`08:30.06`	`korgano`	`RobHu, the character you printed after "comes out like this: " actually looks like the british pound-symbol to me - so probably it's just an encoding thing`
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`08:30.54`	`korgano`	`have you tried to put this weird char in a file and check it out, when you are on the local terminal again?`
`08:30.58`	`sep`	`korgano, rovided the package iis in your configured sources you can find the version with apt-cache policy packagename and install it with apt-get install package=version`
`08:31.34`	`RobHu`	`korgano: How can I fix that? In this terminal I can type £ but while in emacs on another machine it wont type it at all :/`
`08:31.55`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`08:31.56`	`dpkg`	`hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
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`08:33.14`	`korgano`	`sep, thx works fine :-)`
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`08:34.08`	`korgano`	`should be problem on the client-machines (the one's you are ssh'ing from)`
`08:34.18`	`RobHu`	`Right`
`08:34.20`	`RobHu`	`ok thanks`
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`08:35.00`	`korgano`	`can you type the pound symbol there on other apps?`
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`08:36.53`	`ma3x`	`how do I optimize my wireless connection? in windows I get 8000 kbits, in linux I get 4000`
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`08:38.52`	`Guerin`	`has anyone noticed that firefox does this stupid 'your security thing isn't enabled so no ssl for you' bullshit?`
`08:39.13`	`ootput`	`nope`
`08:39.14`	`Guerin`	`is that a mozilla thing or a debian thing, to separate it off into separate packages?`
`08:39.15`	`ma3x`	`no`
`08:39.19`	`Guerin`	`hm`
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`08:42.47`	`rubajat`	`this is prob. not the right place for the question I have but I need some advice concerning converting dvvideo files into xvid or mpeg4 with ffmpeg or mencoder`
`08:43.03`	`ma3x`	`how do I optimize my wlan connection?`
`08:43.06`	`ma3x`	`I use the acx drivers`
`08:43.22`	`rubajat`	`what I need is to have high quality and small output file size`
`08:44.12`	`HandyAndy`	`i'm trying to authenticate my smtp login using postfix,mysql and pam. when i use telnet to try to authenticate i get this error in the log "warning: SASL authentication failure: Can only find author/en (no password)" what does it mean specifically?`
`08:44.58`	`SlayerXP`	`rubajat: mutually incompatible requirements`
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`08:45.07`	`Guerin`	`HandyAndy: it means what it says`
`08:45.13`	`ma3x`	`Guerin, can you help me?`
`08:45.39`	`Guerin`	`HandyAndy: #postfix is probably a better bet; also look at http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge`
`08:45.42`	`SlayerXP`	`ma3x: in what way is your wlan connection not optimal?`
`08:45.46`	`ootput`	`rubajat: I'm familiar with dv video to dvd`
`08:45.48`	`meff`	`guys, what pkg is the program called that can generate filler .deb pkgs? i need it for my amd64 i386 chroot for nvidia-glx to think that a kernel module is installed`
`08:45.52`	`Guerin`	`ma3x: i know nothing about wireless, thank the gods`
`08:45.58`	`ootput`	`rubajat: there should be plenty of guides available`
`08:46.12`	`rubajat`	`ootput: ok, give some links`
`08:46.24`	`ma3x`	`SlayerXP, when I'm in winxp - I download 1mb/sec and in linux, only half`
`08:46.27`	`ma3x`	`what is wrong?!`
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`08:46.47`	`ootput`	`rubajat: how would i benefit from doing so?`
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`08:46.54`	`SlayerXP`	`ma3x: pass. did you check the manufacturers website?`
`08:46.59`	`rubajat`	`ootput: I've noticed that settings like '-bf 2 -b 2000 -g 300' give already a nice result`
`08:47.07`	`ma3x`	`SlayerXP, what pass?`
`08:47.16`	`ma3x`	`SlayerXP, but I optimized my windows connection with some tools`
`08:47.19`	`ma3x`	`how do I do that in linux`
`08:47.19`	`HandyAndy`	`Guerin - im using postfix already - im going around in circles trying to authenticate an smtp connection but getting nowhere fast`
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`08:47.32`	`Guerin`	`HandyAndy: i mean, ask in #postfix`
`08:47.42`	`ma3x`	`SlayerXP, mtu, mta or what are those things called`
`08:47.42`	`HandyAndy`	`oh`
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`08:47.51`	`SlayerXP`	`ma3x: which chipset is your card, exactly?`
`08:47.57`	`Guerin`	`HandyAndy: it can be done; I've got it set up, and all; i just did it several years ago and have ignored it ever since`
`08:48.09`	`rubajat`	`ootput: if you're familiar with this stuff, what settings do you suggest`
`08:48.20`	`ootput`	`for dvd conversion?`
`08:48.40`	`Trewas`	`ma3x: what bitrate does iwconfig tell? it may be possible that it does not get as fast connection as in windows due to driver issues`
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`08:48.47`	`Guerin`	`rubajat: doom9.org for all your dvd ripping requirements`
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`08:49.24`	`HandyAndy`	`guerin - are you the guy that has just been on trip across asia to europe?`
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`08:49.29`	`gypsymauro`	`hello`
`08:49.36`	`rubajat`	`Guerin: actually, i don't want to rip dvd..`
`08:49.41`	`ma3x`	`Trewas, 18mbps`
`08:49.47`	`ma3x`	`SlayerXP, acx`
`08:49.53`	`SlayerXP`	`ma3x: do you have a native driver? or are you using driverloader, or ndiswrapper or some other nonsense?`
`08:49.59`	`ma3x`	`SlayerXP, native (acx)`
`08:50.10`	`fireba11`	`rubajat what about trying a link bevore complaining it's the wrong one ?`
`08:50.25`	`ootput`	`rubajat: pastebin.ca/155727`
`08:50.33`	`SlayerXP`	`ma3x: acx means nothing to me`
`08:50.34`	`ootput`	`rubajat: analyse that`
`08:50.34`	`rubajat`	`fireball: just trying`
`08:50.42`	`gypsymauro`	`I try to ping between two PC but in both ways I get the replies to the ping and random 'Destination Host Unreachable' what could be? the cable seems ok, how I can c if it's an hardware problem?`
`08:51.30`	`SlayerXP`	`ma3x: from the acx100 driver for linux website: "If you happen to be unsatisfied with the performance of this driver then you're greatly encouraged to voice your cross-platform Linux driver non-support concerns at Texas Instruments in addition to notifying us of the problems you experience."`
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`08:51.51`	`SlayerXP`	`ma3x: next time buy a properly supported card.`
`08:51.52`	`rubajat`	`ootput: thx, that might be sth useful`
`08:53.03`	`rubajat`	`Guerin: thx, doom9 can be also helpful`
`08:53.15`	`ma3x`	`yeah yeah`
`08:53.35`	`ootput`	`of course it's helpful`
`08:53.36`	`liable`	`wow, global notices about gentoo.. haha`
`08:53.58`	`ootput`	`is christel part of the freenode staff?`
`08:54.14`	`ootput`	`is/was`
`08:54.32`	`simonrvn`	`is`
`08:54.40`	`simonrvn`	`look at the /whois`
`08:54.41`	`SlayerXP`	`i see no global notice`
`08:54.57`	`simonrvn`	`you weren't here (i think) when she said that`
`08:54.59`	`ootput`	`SlayerXP: a few hours ago`
`08:55.07`	`ootput`	`SlayerXP: followed by lilo's apology ;)`
`08:55.15`	`liable`	`was a while ago, i just got home from work..`
`08:55.23`	`Guerin`	`and they think we care...`
`08:55.24`	`SlayerXP`	`oh`
`08:55.25`	`simonrvn`	`gypsymauro: routing?`
`08:55.33`	`SlayerXP`	`"gentoo sucks" was it? :)`
`08:55.44`	`simonrvn`	`she's a gentoo dev`
`08:55.52`	`SlayerXP`	`doesn't stop her being honest :)`
`08:55.56`	`simonrvn`	`(according to the hostmask)`
`08:55.58`	`Guerin`	`SlayerXP: no, that's just our spin on 'Gentoo just released a new version'`
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`08:56.17`	`omry_`	`how does one add a user to CVSROOT/passwd file?`
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`08:56.29`	`gypsymauro`	`simonrvn: routing it's ok`
`08:56.37`	`gypsymauro`	`i suppose it's an hw problem`
`08:56.41`	`simonrvn`	`filtering anything?`
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`08:56.59`	`simonrvn`	`maybe. i had a nic that behaved that way when the tulip driver was borked`
`08:57.14`	`simonrvn`	`(early 2.6)`
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`08:58.54`	`simonrvn`	`"frybread is like sex... when it's good, it's really good! when it's bad, it's still pretty good!"`
`08:59.29`	`ice_1963`	`:)`
`08:59.36`	`liable`	`hehe, whats frybread?`
`08:59.44`	`simonrvn`	`bannock`
`08:59.47`	`liable`	`like french toast ?`
`09:00.23`	`simonrvn`	`bread you can make almost anywhere. no. 3 ingredients: baking soda, water and flour`
`09:00.24`	`ootput`	`elephant ears sans the sugar?`
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`09:00.35`	`simonrvn`	`yes`
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`09:01.05`	`liable`	`damper!`
`09:01.13`	`ootput`	`not as dry`
`09:01.30`	`simonrvn`	`not as dry.`
`09:01.35`	`simonrvn`	`:)`
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`09:02.10`	`looksaus`	`does anyone know what the max filesize for ext3 on a vanilla 2.4 sarge install is?`
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`09:04.26`	`Hoxzer`	`Do you guys think that it is possible to build light weight laptop system from debian base install?`
`09:04.37`	`Hoxzer`	`or is there better options?`
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`09:06.28`	`ice_1963`	`Hoxzer: well you know there is..`
`09:07.52`	`Hoxzer`	`:/ yeah, I just hate that I a total noob with other system`
`09:07.58`	`Hoxzer`	`like I lost my mind with fedora`
`09:08.11`	`Hoxzer`	`I cannot even find a way to make network settings in vector linux`
`09:08.28`	`ice_1963`	`lol that will do it :)`
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`09:09.03`	`Hoxzer`	`jup`
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`09:09.38`	`Hoxzer`	`and also when I tried vector linux (basic) package manager didn't seem to work`
`09:10.06`	`Hoxzer`	`:( So I tried vector linux soho, well it worked .... but now I have some many things I dont need`
`09:10.10`	`Hoxzer`	`like KDE desktop`
`09:10.11`	`ice_1963`	`hmm install blackbox or fluxbox i like both`
`09:10.13`	`Hoxzer`	`and like 5 media players`
`09:10.30`	`Hoxzer`	`ice_1963: yeah, I knowo but I still have thoses "extra" packages`
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`09:10.43`	`gypsymauro`	`simonrvn: wha't s tulip?`
`09:10.54`	`liable`	`network card`
`09:11.08`	`liable`	`also flower :)`
`09:11.12`	`gypsymauro`	`lol`
`09:11.44`	`gypsymauro`	`well looking at /proc/net/dev I c`
`09:11.45`	`gypsymauro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:11.58`	`gypsymauro`	`where 4 is under error: field...`
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`09:13.23`	`SpComb`	`could someone tell me how to make mdadm assemble my raid device on bootup? I have the partitions set to linux raid autodetect, but that's apparently not the only thing you have to do`
`09:13.51`	`liable`	`SpComb: hrm, it should, add em to mdadm.conf then`
`09:14.04`	`liable`	`SpComb: man mdadm.conf`
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`09:15.56`	`enouf`	`Hoxzer: man apt-get , especially look at 'remove' and --purge`
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`09:16.37`	`signius`	`Hi guys`
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`09:17.03`	`signius`	`I was messing with apt-watch and it appears to have totally screwed up apt so i cant do a manual apt-get update etc`
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`09:17.30`	`signius`	`Any help with resolving this would be much appreciated`
`09:19.02`	`SpComb`	`liable: http://pastebin.zapotek.paivola.fi/15 <-- I don't quite understand it, why are both my arrays in there twice? That .conf was probably created by the debian installer`
`09:19.37`	`ice_1963`	`signius: use aptitude`
`09:20.13`	`ice_1963`	`see if work's`
`09:21.11`	`signius`	`what to remove apt-watch are you saying ?`
`09:21.32`	`signius`	`shit I cant even remember how to use aptitude`
`09:21.55`	`liable`	`SpComb: heh, i could have sworn last time i looked that i had an empty mdadm.conf... but yeah, i only have one line for the device`
`09:22.02`	`signius`	`if i manage to back out apt-watch with apptitude will it also back out al the file permission changes it appears to have made`
`09:22.07`	`ice_1963`	`see if aptitude work's not apt-get`
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`09:22.13`	`signius`	`as it seems to have locked some files`
`09:22.24`	`ice_1963`	`ok`
`09:22.44`	`signius`	`Same problem`
`09:22.56`	`liable`	`SpComb: mine also has a line for the devices, which yours is missing`
`09:23.19`	`signius`	`when i try and start aptitude its telling me the file system is read only and cannot lock the cache file`
`09:23.39`	`liable`	`SpComb: is that a sarge install?`
`09:23.46`	`SpComb`	`etch`
`09:23.50`	`signius`	`it has to be caused by this frigging apt-watch thing as everything was working fine previously`
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`09:24.02`	`SpComb`	`and mdadm apparenlty doesn't need the mdadm.conf, it's purely informative, and not used during bootup`
`09:24.15`	`SpComb`	`it apparently stores the conf on-disk in the raid superblock`
`09:24.34`	`liable`	`SpComb: thats what i thought..`
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`09:24.55`	`SpComb`	`now I'm just wondering how to tell it to boot up md2, and then what I should write into mdadm.conf`
`09:25.35`	`liable`	`SpComb: looks like its changed since sarge but if you want to see mine, /j #flood`
`09:25.38`	`signius`	`E: /root/.aptitude/config - Unable to open %s for writing (30 Read-only file system)`
`09:25.39`	`SpComb`	`ah right, the uid in the array line referrs to the uis stored in the superblock`
`09:25.43`	`SpComb`	`liable: pastebin?`
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`09:26.05`	`liable`	`SpComb: no, i am to lazy, /j #flood :)`
`09:26.37`	`SpComb`	`hmmk`
`09:26.44`	`signius`	`How the hell will i be able to correct the file permissions if the root file system is locked out even to root ?`
`09:28.08`	`signius`	`How the hell will i be able to correct the file permissions if the root file system is locked out even to root ?`
`09:28.13`	`signius`	`oops sorry`
`09:28.20`	`signius`	`didnt mean to double post then`
`09:28.40`	`liable`	`signius: maybe you had errors and it been mounted ro?`
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`09:29.27`	`liable`	`signius: if its not a needed server, try a reboot, see if it gets fsck'ed`
`09:30.35`	`signius`	`ok i will try areboot now`
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`09:33.03`	`SpComb`	`okay, I think I've understood this now, but I wonder if this will make it detect them on boot`
`09:33.12`	`thegve`	`Hello, I'm trying to let Debian boot diskless. I had this working, using a thin client system next to my desktop.. The only point is, it is meant for a server. When I tried to boot the server with it, it's NIC wasn't recognized. So I build a new kernel. This went fine, sys got a DHCP ip, but then it stops giving "module NFS not found". NFS was compiled in the kernel (not as a module). Any things I need to think about building a kernel/initrd for PXElinux?`
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`09:33.54`	`SpComb`	`http://pastebin.zapotek.paivola.fi/16 <-- perhaps I should reboot it and see what happens`
`09:34.15`	`incorrect`	`does anyone know of a pdf to txt file converter?`
`09:34.17`	`liable`	`SpComb: prolly the only way to find out :)`
`09:34.48`	`sep`	`thegve, just use the lessdisks or ltsp packages in debian, or install the package initrd-netbootable in the chroot for the diskless and use the regular kernel-images and make the initrd as normal.`
`09:34.58`	`liable`	`SpComb: dont think you need the devices bit?`
`09:35.00`	`thegve`	`I used lessdisks`
`09:35.12`	`cydork`	`incorrect: yes it's called pdftotext`
`09:35.23`	`cydork`	`incorrect: :)`
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`09:35.40`	`SpComb`	`liable: well, it defauls to that, but it's good to have it in there...`
`09:35.43`	`sep`	`thegve, and you copied the kernel+initrd from the lessdisk chroot to your tftp boot area ?`
`09:35.52`	`thegve`	`no...`
`09:35.55`	`thegve`	`I'll try that then`
`09:35.58`	`SpComb`	`"If no DEVICE line is present, then "DEVICE partitions" is assumed."`
`09:36.02`	`sep`	`thegve, its been a while but it's documented in /usr/share/doc/lessdisks i belive`
`09:36.25`	`incorrect`	`thanks!`
`09:36.27`	`incorrect`	`found it`
`09:36.44`	`SpComb`	`rebooted, I'll see if it comes back up :)`
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`09:37.00`	`SpComb`	`I can also see how long it takes to reboot...`
`09:37.32`	`liable`	`SpComb: see what happens i guess, i havent fucked with mine much other than failing a device, its a headless box and i dont have a keyboard or monitor if i kill it, nor a null modem cable to hook the lappy up`
`09:37.45`	`SpComb`	`up again`
`09:37.48`	`SpComb`	`not that slow :)`
`09:38.11`	`SpComb`	`whee! I now have a /dev/md2`
`09:38.14`	`SpComb`	`good good`
`09:38.31`	`SpComb`	`apparently it does use mdadm.conf during bootup`
`09:38.56`	`SpComb`	`need to take a look at the grub config some time, it's still at the etch defaults`
`09:39.07`	`signius`	`looks like a reboot has resolved all them problems havnt got a clue what got screwed up to lock everything though`
`09:39.11`	`signius`	`but its working ow :-)`
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`09:41.13`	`thegve`	`sep: My NIC is not supported in the lessdisks kernel`
`09:41.38`	`sep`	`thegve, add the nic in the /etc/mkinitrd/ modules file and recreate the initrd`
`09:41.48`	`sep`	`inside the chroot`
`09:41.50`	`sep`	`iirc`
`09:41.51`	`thegve`	`ok`
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`09:44.18`	`svente`	`Hi all. I'm looking vor a cms esspecially for schools. It should give me the possibilty to import users from a txt-file, block internet access for a single user and set/change samba/nfs/squid/squidgard settings. Webmin is not what I'm looking for. Any ideas?`
`09:44.29`	`liable`	`signius: other thing, if its not saying about ro filesystem, mebbe your drive is full? try df -h`
`09:45.24`	`liable`	`well / partition anyway..`
`09:46.07`	`tralala`	`where do I find old etch packages?`
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`09:46.22`	`liable`	`tralala: s.d.n`
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`09:46.54`	`tralala`	`thanks, liable`
`09:47.03`	`SpComb`	`there, now I get my fs tree mounted on boot`
`09:47.13`	`liable`	`tralala: yw`
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`09:47.37`	`SpComb`	`next I could worry about what devices the master block is written to, it would be nice if grub could still boot if sda failed`
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`09:48.13`	`liable`	`SpComb: it should`
`09:48.16`	`SpComb`	`is it possible to load grub onto all three disks such that the bios can boot into the first non-failed one?`
`09:48.25`	`liable`	`thats the whole point :)`
`09:48.28`	`signius`	`Nah there is tonnes of space left on the machine`
`09:48.55`	`signius`	`it doesnt really get used as PC its just a server really i rarely log into a gui on it`
`09:49.07`	`signius`	`ussualyl just ssh into and do stuff`
`09:49.11`	`signius`	`but thanks anyways`
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`09:49.15`	`liable`	`signius: did it get a fsck?`
`09:49.28`	`signius`	`I should have tried a reboot initially was being a dumb numb nut`
`09:49.41`	`signius`	`no idea i did a remote reboot so i couldnt see the screen on boto up`
`09:50.05`	`liable`	`fixed though?`
`09:50.12`	`signius`	`to be honest we been having some power cuts lately and that might have fuxxed it up`
`09:50.24`	`signius`	`i really need to sort a decent UPS when i got the spare money`
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`09:53.05`	`werdna_`	`how do I convert a .avi to .asf, .wmv, .mov, .qt, .3g2, .3gp, .3gp2, .3gpp, .gsm, .mpg, .mpeg, .mp4, .m4v, .mp4v, .cmp, .divx, .xvid, .264, .rm, .rmvb, .flv. <-- any of these formats?`
`09:53.23`	`nopealicious`	`hm this is weird when i try to mount a partition mount tells me:`
`09:53.24`	`nopealicious`	`mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt busy`
`09:53.27`	`liable`	`transcode?`
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`09:53.54`	`nopealicious`	`and i tried "mount" seeing the partition is not mounted yet; also did i try several different directories`
`09:53.58`	`thegve`	`I guess this is a really stupid question... But how do I make an initrd image inside a chroot. Mkinitrd complains about "cannot stat /dev/ttys0"`
`09:53.58`	`nopealicious`	`nothign seems to work :X`
`09:54.00`	`SpComb`	`what I love about software raid... should I have a RAID1, RAID5 or RAID0 array? Have all three!`
`09:54.36`	`SpComb`	`only problem is that I need to decide how much space I want to use for each... changing the size of my fs will probably not be too easy`
`09:55.28`	`liable`	`SpComb: lvm on raid! :)`
`09:55.28`	`SpComb`	`I have lvm on raid`
`09:55.28`	`SpComb`	`what I'm talking about is on the order of raid on lvm`
`09:55.43`	`SpComb`	`how big should I make the partitions for the raids+`
`09:56.07`	`SpComb`	`the mdadm man page has a section on --grow, but it doesn't actually show how to use it, or what it can do`
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`09:57.08`	`SpComb`	`I have a ext3 fs on lvm that has a raid5 as a pv that's on three partitions. How easy would it be to shrink the partitoins to half their size?`
`09:57.37`	`liable`	`thegve: ttys0 or ttyS0? wild guess, is proc mounted?`
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`09:57.56`	`SpComb`	`the fs shouldn't actually care, I'm guessing that lvm has some sort of pvshrink command, I can use mdadm --grow <something> to shrink the raid array, and then a bit of cfdisking to change the size of the partitions`
`09:58.16`	`thegve`	`liable: jep, it complained about that before, and I did what it asked then`
`09:58.29`	`SpComb`	`although how I would move the RAID0 partitions up to take up the space I just trimmed off the end of the RAID5 partitions is another question entirely`
`09:58.49`	`liable`	`thegve: and sys?`
`09:59.10`	`Cope`	`Am trying to use apt-get through proxy server, passing NT domain credentials to windows proxy server, but there is a @ sign in my password, and even when quoted in apt.conf, it fails to resolve: I have Acquire(http::Proxy"http://DOMAIN\user:password@proxy_server:proxy_port"};`
`09:59.26`	`Cope`	`any ideas how to get around this problem?`
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`09:59.46`	`nopealicious`	`ok this problem is getting weirder by the second`
`09:59.53`	`nopealicious`	`nihil@nihil-gw /www/c/nobot $ cat /etc/mtab`
`09:59.53`	`nopealicious`	`/dev/hdb1 / ext2 rw,noatime 0 0`
`09:59.59`	`nopealicious`	`and ddoing mount gives me:`
`10:00.02`	`nopealicious`	`/dev/hda5 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro)`
`10:00.06`	`nopealicious`	`how is this possible?`
`10:00.12`	`cydork`	`Cope: enter hexcode for @ sign`
`10:00.21`	`SpComb`	`each disk is <swap 5G><RAID1 10G><RAID5 200G><RAID0 35G>, would it be possible to shrink the RAID5 down to 100G and grow the RAID0 to 135G?`
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`10:00.31`	`liable`	`nopealicious: kernel option`
`10:00.37`	`nopealicious`	`liable ?`
`10:00.42`	`liable`	`nopealicious: check menu.lst`
`10:00.50`	`nopealicious`	`uhh`
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`10:01.05`	`nopealicious`	`kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8 root=/dev/hda5 ro`
`10:01.27`	`SpComb`	`theoretically, could do a sector-for-sectory copy of the RAID0 over to the left and then update the partition table... is that possible?`
`10:01.44`	`liable`	`nopealicious: nm, i didnt fully read what you wrote :/`
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`10:03.09`	`liable`	`nopealicious: thats from a boot or a chroot or what?`
`10:03.41`	`Cope`	`cydork: ok, so if password was c@t I'd put c&#38t ?`
`10:03.52`	`sep`	`SpComb, i'd think a backup, repartition, mkfs, restore would be more likely`
`10:03.54`	`Cope`	`hex is 26... not sure how I'd embed it`
`10:04.22`	`nopealicious`	`liable, thats from the system i installed today`
`10:04.38`	`nopealicious`	`it does run so far but dunn wth this is`
`10:04.58`	`nopealicious`	`and i can't mount hdb1`
`10:05.00`	`Guerin`	`Cope: c&t`
`10:05.09`	`nopealicious`	`even tho it is not (as mount says)`
`10:05.13`	`Guerin`	`no wait`
`10:05.18`	`Guerin`	`that's not an ampersane`
`10:05.20`	`Guerin`	`d`
`10:05.45`	`Guerin`	`bollocks`
`10:05.55`	`Cope`	`&#64 yueah`
`10:06.00`	`liable`	`nopealicious: umount /dev/hdb1 whats it say?`
`10:06.00`	`Guerin`	`anyone know how to UNbind C-a as the command key in screen?`
`10:06.12`	`thegve`	`liable: Phone call..., I should mount /proc/sys ? how?`
`10:06.22`	`Guerin`	`i know how ton bind an alternate, but not how to getrid of the original binding`
`10:06.33`	`liable`	`thegve: just /sys, mount /sys`
`10:06.46`	`nopealicious`	`umount: /dev/hdb1 is not mounted (according to mtab)`
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`10:07.11`	`liable`	`nopealicious: lsof /dev/hdb1?`
`10:07.44`	`thegve`	`liable: still gives these errors, but now it does create the image, guess it works...`
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`10:08.10`	`nopealicious`	`nihil@nihil-mf:~$ lsof /dev/hdb1`
`10:08.10`	`nopealicious`	`lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext2 file system /dev/.static/dev`
`10:08.16`	`nopealicious`	`WTF`
`10:08.20`	`nopealicious`	`root is ext2`
`10:08.23`	`nopealicious`	`even boot`
`10:08.32`	`SpComb`	`sep: can I dd a binary image of that setup somehow (resizing the fs as needed, before or after)?`
`10:08.35`	`liable`	`udev fun!`
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`10:09.14`	`liable`	`nopealicious: anything in dmesg about hdb1?`
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`10:10.21`	`liable`	`hrm, guess i better cook some food`
`10:10.41`	`nopealicious`	`liable`
`10:10.42`	`nopealicious`	`nihil@nihil-gw /www/c/nobot $ file -s /dev/hdb1`
`10:10.42`	`nopealicious`	`/dev/hdb1: writable, no read permission`
`10:10.49`	`sep`	`SpComb, yes you should be able to dd /dev/mdx`
`10:10.56`	`cydork`	`Cope: you there?`
`10:11.09`	`sep`	`and resize afterwards`
`10:11.21`	`Cope`	`cydork: yep`
`10:11.47`	`SlayerXP`	`!tell me about d-i`
`10:11.59`	`Cope`	`freaky`
`10:11.59`	`werdna_`	`what is a good sound card to use?`
`10:12.09`	`Cope`	`I was just thinking 'where's SlayerXP'`
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`10:12.54`	`cydork`	`Cope: did it worked? with hex?`
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`10:13.11`	`SlayerXP`	`cope: o/`
`10:13.25`	`Cope`	`no... am wondering if & also needs to be in hex; bloody complicated passwords`
`10:13.27`	`SlayerXP`	`cope: congrats on not being dead, btw`
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`10:14.03`	`yang`	`cydork: my bluetooth device still shows as down :/`
`10:14.13`	`Cope`	`eg suppose my password is c@t&d0g`
`10:14.27`	`yang`	`cydork: i edited /etc/default/bluettoth hcid.conf rmparams.conf ...`
`10:14.44`	`cydork`	`Cope: try with repace it with c%xxt%xxd0g i guess :)`
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`10:15.12`	`yang`	`Aug 31 12:14:52 sisyphus hcid[5159]: Can't open system message bus connection: No reply within specified time`
`10:15.12`	`yang`	`Aug 31 12:14:52 sisyphus hcid[5159]: Unable to get on D-Bus`
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`10:16.17`	`clientxs`	`hey all, i'm looking for an australian debian amd64 source list.`
`10:16.31`	`clientxs`	`i tried in debian-adm64, however i think everyone is asleep`
`10:17.01`	`cydork`	`!mirrors`
`10:17.01`	`dpkg`	`from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy>`
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`10:17.19`	`cydork`	`clientxs: check what dpkg said`
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`10:18.03`	`SpComb`	`"mdadm --grow /dev/mdX --size=whatever"`
`10:18.05`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`10:18.28`	`Guerin`	`it seems that it's not possible to unbind C-a as screen's command key`
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`10:19.14`	`yang`	`cydork: do you know the solution?`
`10:19.27`	`cydork`	`Guerin: ya i had that prob to in beginin :) but now i am used to C-a a`
`10:19.29`	`Mooi`	`are there any tutorials on how to get a usb sd card reader to work in etch?`
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`10:20.36`	`cydork`	`yang: i really cant say.`
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`10:25.02`	`Mooi`	`anyone? using an sd card reader on your computer? how?`
`10:25.58`	`kintaro0e`	`hi guys..after installing debian 3.1 from scratch[network iso]...i notice that there is no less command..do i need to install a package on this?`
`10:26.06`	`numist`	`I boot off CF, but thats likely not what you're looking for :/`
`10:26.22`	`numist`	`a SD card reader should mount as a usb mass storage device, just plug and mount`
`10:26.43`	`numist`	likely try `mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/usbstick`
`10:26.58`	`numist`	`er /dev/sda1`
`10:27.26`	`Guerin`	`cydork: i've been using it for years, but have finally gotten sick of having to pus C-aaa to go to the start of lines when working in nested screens`
`10:27.32`	`Guerin`	`as I commonly find myself doing`
`10:27.42`	`cydork`	`kintaro0e: install less :)`
`10:27.59`	`kintaro0e`	`cydork: oks..thanks`
`10:28.36`	`cydork`	`Guerin: ya i get sick of it too coz i dont use screen always ..`
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`10:32.14`	`hburchey`	`How do I make apt-get reinstall the files for a package which is already installed?`
`10:33.11`	`MatBoy`	`--force`
`10:33.16`	`cydork`	`MatBoy: nope`
`10:33.21`	`MatBoy`	`ow oops`
`10:33.37`	`cydork`	`hburchey: apt-get --reinstall install`
`10:33.47`	`cydork`	`hburchey: and rtfm next time :)`
`10:33.58`	`MatBoy`	`ah indeed. was force for removing`
`10:33.59`	`MatBoy`	`?`
`10:34.14`	`MatBoy`	`i always do a --help and choose than :D`
`10:34.58`	`abrocadabro`	`how do I run windowmaker over ssh from a different machine that doesn't have a video card?`
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`10:43.41`	`liable`	`!qotd0`
`10:43.41`	`dpkg`	`<ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :)`
`10:44.20`	`thegve`	`I now created an initrd img that loads the tg3 module for my NIC, I checked that by passing the -k parameter to mkinitrd and checking the dir. Seams fine. It doesn't seam to load and/or recognize the NIC however... The nic module is included in the "initrd" dir in the image's kernel module dir.`
`10:45.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 566] by debhelper`
`10:45.25`	`thegve`	`And "tg3" is listed in the "loadmodules" file...`
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`10:47.06`	`liable`	`thegve: if you modprobe the module, is the card seen? are you sure you got the right module, or sure the card works? its seen in lspci?`
`10:47.44`	`MatBoy`	`what package was for the powerbutton and so on in KDE ?`
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`10:48.41`	`num000`	`hello, is anyone running successfuly a Xircom CardBus Ethernet II 10/100 ? I'm desperate getting this card to work on debian?`
`10:48.51`	`liable`	`david tench, wtf is it?`
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`10:49.19`	`thegve`	`liable: Booting over NFS, which doesn't work, so I can't do a lot. I build this module in the kernel in my previous attempt, and then the NIC/DHCP part worked, and I saw some "loading nic using tg3" (or something) output... My usb keyboard won't work, plugged in a ps/2 one, now rebooting, maybe that works. I'm dropped in some kind of shell..`
`10:50.28`	`liable`	`thegve: ok, why are you bothering with an initrd?`
`10:50.51`	`liable`	`cause of the keyboard?`
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`10:51.57`	`thegve`	`nope... You mean just build everything needed in the kernel?.... I had some problems with that, but I forgot what, which is a bit vague I guess...`
`10:52.03`	`mots`	`hi`
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`10:52.34`	`cydork`	`thegve: hey i did root over nfs some months back and i guess i used this http://www.sigsegv.cx/diskless-2.html`
`10:52.48`	`mots`	`i have one big problem: i just debootstrapped a fresh system for freevo use, and it now the kernel's panicing`
`10:53.06`	`thegve`	`cydork: Huge thanks...`
`10:53.06`	`liable`	`thegve: if you are gonna compile a kernel, making an initrd is silly imo. just include your drive chipset and fs modules built in, then everything else can be modules`
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`10:53.15`	`mots`	`it says:VFS:Cannot open root device "sda5" or unknown-block (0,0)`
`10:53.15`	`mots`	`Please append a correct "root=" boot option`
`10:53.15`	`mots`	`Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)`
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`10:53.40`	`thegve`	`I am being forced to eat by my collegeaus... brb`
`10:54.03`	`mots`	`the grub entry:`
`10:54.05`	`mots`	`titleFreeVo`
`10:54.05`	`mots`	`root(hd0,4)`
`10:54.05`	`mots`	`kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17.11-mots root=/dev/sda5 ro single`
`10:54.05`	`mots`	`initd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17.11-mots`
`10:54.09`	`mots`	`any ideas?`
`10:54.24`	`cydork`	`mots: do not paste in here. use a paster`
`10:54.27`	`cydork`	`!paster`
`10:54.27`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
`10:54.32`	`nopealicious`	`mots i know whats wrong!!`
`10:54.42`	`nopealicious`	`i just fixed this error some minutes ago at my own system`
`10:54.51`	`mots`	`nopealicious: really?`
`10:54.52`	`nopealicious`	`mots, "apt-get remove emvs && init 6"`
`10:54.54`	`nopealicious`	`yes mots`
`10:54.56`	`mots`	`how?`
`10:54.58`	`mots`	`oh`
`10:55.00`	`mots`	`thx`
`10:55.01`	`nopealicious`	`it seems all you need to do is remove emvs`
`10:55.03`	`nopealicious`	`youre welcome`
`10:55.07`	`nopealicious`	`tell me if it worked :)`
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`10:55.48`	`mots`	`well`
`10:55.57`	`mots`	`it says: couldn't find emvs`
`10:56.00`	`mots`	`so: no`
`10:56.03`	`Mooi`	`Hello, can somebody explain why wanting to install hotplug needs to have udev, linux-image and others uninstalled, on etch?`
`10:56.06`	`mots`	`:<`
`10:56.23`	`hburchey`	`Why does "ntpdate ntp.sonartech.com.au" complain "no server suitable for synchronization found", even though my windows ntp program has no problems syncing with the very same server?`
`10:56.25`	`mots`	`nopealicious: any other ideas?`
`10:56.27`	`nopealicious`	`oh.. well theeeen it is one of the other solutions`
`10:56.37`	`nopealicious`	`mots, read up on google; there is lots of talk about these kinds of errors`
`10:56.51`	`cydork`	`Mooi: it's been replaced by udev in etch`
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`10:57.23`	`Mooi`	`ok, cydork so what if nothing is really happening when i plug in my sd card reader?`
`10:57.50`	`nopealicious`	`mots, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22mount%3A++already+mounted+or++busy%22&btnG=Search`
`10:57.53`	`nopealicious`	`hope this helps :)`
`10:58.08`	`Mooi`	`my usb stick works perfectly :O`
`10:58.20`	`Mooi`	`how odd`
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`10:58.42`	`mots`	`nopealicious: i'm not even sure if it's the same error`
`10:58.59`	`mots`	`mine doesn't say anything abot already mounted/busy`
`10:59.25`	`nopealicious`	`mots, i had the same unable to mount root fs`
`11:00.00`	`nopealicious`	`then i had it partially fixed but still the other error when mounting stuff; so i figured..`
`11:00.30`	`nopealicious`	`but mots be sure you load the standard config from /boot/config...... when you build your kernel`
`11:00.52`	`nopealicious`	`mots, also this might help: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html`
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`11:08.25`	`cydork`	`Mooi: you there??`
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`11:08.51`	`Mooi`	`cydork: I think I found the problem - the reader doesnt work on windoz too`
`11:08.52`	`Mooi`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`11:09.04`	`Mooi`	`and my sd card might be damaged :'(`
`11:09.30`	`cydork`	`Mooi: hehe then i cant help you :)`
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`11:10.43`	`Mooi`	`another`
`11:10.45`	`Mooi`	`problem`
`11:11.27`	`Mooi`	`any .htaccess files are not being used by apache, in the sense that simply no .htaccess works, even though there is a syntax error in other directory too.`
`11:11.32`	`Malagmyr`	`http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/subcategory/notebooks/ux-series <<- whoa! this thing has a storage capacity of 30GB^2! That's 900 gigs!`
`11:12.35`	`Mooi`	`Malagmyr: are you a noob?`
`11:12.50`	`Malagmyr`	`Mooi: no. i'm not serious either.`
`11:12.55`	`Mooi`	`ok`
`11:12.56`	`Mooi`	`:]`
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`11:13.39`	`Mooi`	`thats good`
`11:13.41`	`cydork`	`!smack Malagmyr`
`11:13.49`	`Malagmyr`	`!cookie me`
`11:13.55`	`Malagmyr`	`gah`
`11:14.34`	`Malagmyr`	`...`
`11:16.27`	`shay`	`yay dpkg speaks spanish`
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`11:17.25`	`tamiya`	`hey guys`
`11:18.07`	`tamiya`	`I'm trying to work with a *.bz2 file but couldn't find bunzip2 on my debian box`
`11:18.21`	`tamiya`	`apt-get install bunzip2 didn't work`
`11:18.28`	`tamiya`	`nor did apt-cache search bunzip`
`11:18.37`	`shay`	`apt-get install bzip2`
`11:19.06`	`tamiya`	`shay: you are the MAN!!!`
`11:19.10`	`tamiya`	`thanks, mate`
`11:19.32`	`shay`	`tamiya, apt-file might be useful when you know the executable`
`11:19.50`	`shay`	`tamiya, apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search bin/bunzip2`
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`11:20.27`	`tamiya`	`i'll try that out right now :)`
`11:22.00`	`tamiya`	`It's updating.... slowly. Hooray for slow net connections :)`
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`11:29.45`	`fourat`	`i've installed a new debian sarge 'unstable' server`
`11:29.53`	`fourat`	`installed openssh-server`
`11:30.05`	`Ronin`	`fourat: not possible theres no such thing as sarge unstable`
`11:30.30`	`fourat`	`and when trying to connect to it, it throws an error like this : Read from remote host 192.168.3.30: Connection reset by peer`
`11:30.46`	`Tallu`	`you arent supposed to use unstable if you dont know how to fix it`
`11:31.04`	`Ronin`	`indeed`
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`11:31.59`	`tarzeau`	`fourat: sarge or unstable?`
`11:32.24`	`Ronin`	`and if unstable why are you running that on a server?`
`11:32.56`	`Tallu`	`the whole thing he said just didnt make sense :P`
`11:33.09`	`fourat`	`it's unstable`
`11:33.20`	`fourat`	`means using unstable apt sources`
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`11:34.29`	`webmind`	`good afternoon`
`11:34.29`	`Tallu`	`!sid`
`11:34.29`	`dpkg`	`the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released.`
`11:34.29`	`Tallu`	`fourat: read that :P`
`11:35.29`	`webmind`	`in both dists the kernel crashes on boot`
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`11:35.41`	`petemc`	`webmind: what error?`
`11:35.55`	`webmind`	`Domain 0 crashed : rebooting in 5 seconds`
`11:36.00`	`petemc`	`oh dear`
`11:36.03`	`webmind`	`and lots of 0000 before that`
`11:36.13`	`petemc`	`i installed unstables last week, its fine`
`11:36.14`	`webmind`	`so no other errors visible`
`11:36.17`	`webmind`	`yeah`
`11:36.18`	`Mooi`	`http://debian.od5.co.uk/139/txt/ < when plugging in a digital camera. any ideas?`
`11:36.21`	`webmind`	`last week it worked for me`
`11:36.28`	`webmind`	`this week it died`
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`11:38.41`	`webmind`	`an something eems to have changed... because the initrd and the xen-3.0-i386.gz file have changed sizes`
`11:38.48`	`werdna_`	`practice makes brownies and brownies are perfect`
`11:39.36`	`papit`	`newbies`
`11:39.43`	`petemc`	`webmind: theres a #debian-xen on oftc`
`11:39.50`	`petemc`	`its quiet tho`
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`11:40.13`	`Jemt`	`!mysqli`
`11:40.13`	`dpkg`	`i guess mysqli is MySQL Improved Extension which supports MySQL 4.1+ functionality. It supports the object oriented approach better as the access is provided using MySQL objects. Unfortunately MySQLi is not yet supported by any packages in the Debian repository, see #320835 for status.`
`11:40.17`	`Mooi`	`"ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:1d.0 disabled" < whaa?`
`11:40.29`	`papit`	`whoa`
`11:40.40`	`Jemt`	`It's weird that dpkg says that. I thought MySQLi was part of the package php-db ?!`
`11:40.53`	`Jemt`	`Or am I mistaken ?`
`11:41.58`	`webmind`	`petemc, hmm k`
`11:43.09`	`webmind`	`petemc, somewhat @ xen just claimed a fix is on the way`
`11:43.37`	`ofer0`	`!pgsql`
`11:43.39`	`ofer0`	`!postgresql`
`11:43.39`	`dpkg`	`A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org.`
`11:43.43`	`petemc`	`webmind: on this network?`
`11:43.50`	`dsop`	`!php-db`
`11:44.00`	`webmind`	`yes`
`11:44.07`	`papit`	`!new`
`11:44.07`	`dpkg`	`i heard new is the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the incoming system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html`
`11:44.11`	`webmind`	`I'm not on oftc`
`11:44.39`	`tralala`	`!botabuse`
`11:44.39`	`dpkg`	`lay off me you buggerererers!!11!`
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`11:45.54`	`webmind`	`Mooi, hmm, unsupported or broken hw?`
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`11:45.58`	`webmind`	`just a guess`
`11:46.50`	`Mooi`	`damn`
`11:46.55`	`Mooi`	`why is everything broken today`
`11:46.56`	`Mooi`	`:/`
`11:47.08`	`blondie`	`you broke it all`
`11:47.13`	`papit`	`same here`
`11:48.02`	`Mooi`	`how to make alsa restore the levels when rebooted?`
`11:48.29`	`yang`	`I get these errors on bluetooth device:`
`11:48.32`	`yang`	`Aug 31 12:14:52 sisyphus hcid[5159]: Can't open system message bus connection: No reply within specified time`
`11:48.32`	`yang`	`Aug 31 12:14:52 sisyphus hcid[5159]: Unable to get on D-Bus`
`11:48.35`	`dsop`	`Jemt, you are wrong. PHP-DB is only the a php written abstraction layer, nothing else than just a wrapper around the client libs (e.g. mysqli) but php has to be build with mysqli support to use it.`
`11:48.45`	`ofer0`	`Mooi, alsactl restore`
`11:49.08`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Oh, I see. And that is not the case with PHP5 for Debian ?`
`11:49.33`	`dsop`	`Jemt, doesn't look like mysqli is build in, but i don'T know, i compile php5 myself`
`11:49.42`	`dsop`	`!php5-mysqli`
`11:49.47`	`Mooi`	`ofer0: automatically?`
`11:50.01`	`ofer0`	`Mooi, chattr +i /etc/asound.conf`
`11:50.02`	`liable`	`Mooi: run alsactl store after you set em`
`11:50.05`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Any guides, howtos and similar is much appriciated`
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`11:50.32`	`Mooi`	`ofer0: no such file`
`11:50.32`	`Jemt`	`dsop: It seems dpkg knows nothing about php5-mysqli`
`11:50.41`	`Mooi`	`I don't have alsactl ?`
`11:50.47`	`Mooi`	`hwo to install it?`
`11:51.01`	`liable`	`Mooi: instal alsa-base`
`11:51.20`	`dsop`	`Jemt, well. Just us the normal mysql client library instead of mysqli if you don't need any special functionality`
`11:51.23`	`liable`	`it should pull in alsa-utils`
`11:51.37`	`ofer0`	`Mooi, install alsa-oss, alsa-utils and alsa-base`
`11:51.46`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I need the OOP approach. My entire design is Object Oriented`
`11:51.52`	`dsop`	`Jemt, or compile it yourself by adding the mysqli package and then make a ./configure --with-mysqli in the php sources`
`11:51.55`	`Mooi`	`i installed the -utils one. the sound works though ]`
`11:52.00`	`Jemt`	`Besides, I need transaction support`
`11:52.25`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I'll look into that`
`11:52.34`	`dsop`	`Jemt, well as you may use a abstraction layer like PEAR_DB or PEAR_MD2 (which is the better), you can also use oop`
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`11:52.40`	`thegve`	`For booting the diskless server (I as talking about 30 mins ago), I now use my custom build 2.6 kernel. Debian boots, I only seam to lack any keyboard support. During booting, I get errors about "could not find /tmp/mkinitrd.(jada jada)" and/etc/init.d/rcS line 18: /etc/nologin: Read-only file system. Will this be solved by a custom build kernel without module support?`
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`11:53.03`	`dsop`	`Jemt, because all these pear stuff are classes, often build as wrapper around php procedural functionality`
`11:53.03`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I don't haft to compile PHP for MySQLi if using PEAR ?`
`11:53.15`	`thegve`	`I've had the /etc/nologin error more often, don't think that will be a problem.`
`11:53.20`	`Mooi`	`thanks, seems to be good now :]`
`11:53.24`	`Jemt`	`Oh, so it's just a collection of files - basically ?`
`11:53.26`	`thegve`	`The /tmp/mkinitrd should not be however..`
`11:53.46`	`dsop`	`Jemt, no if you use a abstraction layer like pear_db you can choose either the mysql or the mysqli backend (as well as pgsql, mssql,etc)`
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`11:54.02`	`Jemt`	`dsop: How do I "choose" that?`
`11:54.10`	`bukowski`	`hello how can i create a cronjob that browses a php file?`
`11:54.20`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I installed 'php-db' which should contain mysqli`
`11:54.27`	`blondie`	`bukowski: what does that mean?`
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`11:54.37`	`dsop`	`Jemt, e.g. the DB class be instantianted like: $foo = &DB::Connect("mysql:///......")`
`11:54.58`	`bukowski`	`i want to execuate a php file everyday`
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`11:55.01`	`dsop`	`Jemt, then db uses mysql client library if you choose DB::connect("mysqli://...") you can use mysqli extension`
`11:55.01`	`papit`	`anybody home`
`11:55.03`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I know - but phpinfo() dosn't show mysqli support. So I would be surprised if I could just do that`
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`11:55.05`	`Ronin`	`nope`
`11:55.07`	`dsop`	`Jemt, but it has to be build in`
`11:55.18`	`blondie`	`bukowski: apt-get install php4-cli`
`11:55.22`	`dsop`	`Jemt, there exists 2 mysql client libraries for php`
`11:55.27`	`Jemt`	`dsop: O`
`11:55.36`	`dsop`	`Jemt, the old mysql and the new mysqli`
`11:55.38`	`blondie`	`bukowski: then you can run "php scriptname.php" from a cron job`
`11:55.39`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I know`
`11:55.53`	`dsop`	`Jemt, mysql client library is nearly every php installation`
`11:55.54`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Ok, from the beginning: Do I need to recompile PHP5 in order to use PEAR ?`
`11:56.00`	`dsop`	`Jemt, no`
`11:56.00`	`bukowski`	`blondie: thank you`
`11:56.11`	`PDani`	`hi`
`11:56.19`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I need transaction support - therefore MySQLi`
`11:56.29`	`dsop`	`Jemt, but you need to recompile if you want to use the db abstraction layer with mysqli support instead of the old fashioned mysql library`
`11:56.30`	`dsop`	`Jemt, no`
`11:56.38`	`dsop`	`Jemt, transaction is handled by the server`
`11:56.46`	`dsop`	`Jemt, not by the client`
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`11:57.15`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I know. But Transaction Support dosn't work through ordinary SQL statements on the old MySQL driver. Believe me - I used several days without getting anywhere`
`11:58.12`	`PDani`	`i have a 3com router. in the features they write: "Virtual private network (VPN) pass-through and initiation/termination of two VPN tunnels support provide secure connections to remote users or sites". so is this means, that this router is able to join to a vpn, but it can't serve vpn-clients?`
`11:58.18`	`Jemt`	`dsop: I've been programming PHP and used MySQL for years, so that's not the problem. I want MySQLi to get the Object Oriented approach and proper support for the new features in MySQL5`
`11:58.42`	`dsop`	`Jemt, well than you have to recompile`
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`12:00.39`	`Cope`	`For those interested, got apt working through proxy using ntlmaps`
`12:01.11`	`dsop`	`Jemt, well but transaction support should work with either mysql or mysqli that are only the client libs. i work with that daily`
`12:01.14`	`dsop`	`Jemt, of course you have to use an innodb as the mysql table engine`
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`12:03.32`	`dsop`	`Jemt, just use mysql, php and the pear_db and use the autoCommit(false) method, thats all you need`
`12:03.39`	`Jemt`	`just a sec`
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`12:04.09`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Sorry, a friend just called`
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`12:04.17`	`stranger_stone`	`Hello :)`
`12:04.52`	`dsop`	`Jemt, no problem`
`12:05.30`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Well, I does seem that the transaction support works - but when you debug it, you will see that it dosn't. But I used PHP4 at the time - don't know if that's a problem`
`12:05.36`	`Jemt`	`I = it`
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`12:06.57`	`dsop`	`Jemt, what are you doing while debugging, what do you expect it does. Shouldn't be a problem if you use php4 or php5`
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`12:08.50`	`Jemt`	`dsop: If I have ie. 5 SQL statements within a transaction, and stop the execution after the 2 firste statements have been completed, then the DBMS should fall back to a consistent state - but the two statements that were completed is committed to the DB anyways.`
`12:09.59`	`dsop`	`Jemt, do you use innodb?`
`12:10.07`	`Jemt`	`Yes, of cause :)`
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`12:10.20`	`dsop`	`hmm .. have to test it myself`
`12:10.30`	`webmind`	`petemc, there is a working deb pacakge now :)`
`12:10.38`	`petemc`	`webmind: thats good going`
`12:10.58`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Ok`
`12:11.25`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Also, I need the OOP approach. I can't find anything in the documentation that says MySQL can be used in that way`
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`12:13.36`	`dsop`	`Jemt, as I said: use a pear class as a wrapper. All the pear class you OOP so you can easily access mysql stuff using classes. http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.database.db.php. Of course it's not that perfect, therefore you should take a look at PHPs PDO extension, but thats only supported in php5. but normally the pear stuff works perfectly in day by day work`
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`12:14.44`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Again, how do I access the PEAR classes? Are they just available in some magic way when php-db is installed ?`
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`12:15.41`	`DustyDingo`	`hi`
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`12:16.08`	`dsop`	`Jemt, php-db IS the PEAR DB Abstraction Layer. If you install php-db this installs the PEAR classes. pear normally is located in a /usr/local/lib and is made accessable for all scripts with the include_path in the php.ini. So you just have to do a require("DB.php"); thats all`
`12:16.10`	`Jemt`	`dsop: It would make sense if I should require() the files. But I don't know the location`
`12:16.23`	`DustyDingo`	`i want to get the arduino (micro controler) ide running, which is written in java`
`12:16.41`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Oh, I see. Great`
`12:16.42`	`Jemt`	`Thanks`
`12:16.51`	`DustyDingo`	`and i have problems with suns java version, so i have to install blackdown jav`
`12:17.06`	`incorrect`	`if create a block, how can i control the name of it , so its id doesn't come out block-block-2 or something`
`12:17.27`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: What is the problem with SUN Java ?`
`12:17.29`	`DustyDingo`	`i am using etch, and i can't install jre because i lack a "xlibs"`
`12:17.37`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: the ide isn't building`
`12:17.43`	`incorrect`	`oops wrong place`
`12:17.49`	`Jemt`	`Dunedan: The IDE ?`
`12:17.56`	`Jemt`	`Ups, sorry Dunedan . Not for you`
`12:17.59`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: The IDE ?`
`12:18.01`	`Dunedan`	`...`
`12:18.10`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: i am building an idea, which is written in java ;)`
`12:18.43`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: i don't understand your problem. Installing Java and compiling something with Java is two different things`
`12:19.29`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: well i want to try it with blackdown java and this one i can't install`
`12:19.32`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: If you want, you can install Java from Unstable repositories`
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`12:19.47`	`DustyDingo`	`hm`
`12:19.49`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: Ok. I can't help you then`
`12:20.06`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: maybe this works, how can i do that?`
`12:20.10`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: I have had to many problems with Black. Using that is just stupid IMO`
`12:20.16`	`Jemt`	`In my opinion`
`12:20.24`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt:`
`12:20.36`	`DustyDingo`	`hm, i will take anything, that works`
`12:20.47`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: Do you know how to work with repositories?`
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`12:21.09`	`DustyDingo`	`the problem is, i am sitting here at a workshop and they are starting soon and i have no working env :(`
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`12:21.22`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: a bit (new to debian)`
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`12:22.08`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: Ok. Back up this file : /etc/apt/sources.list - do this: cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup`
`12:22.35`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: ...`
`12:22.46`	`dsop`	`Jemt, well debugging with transaction support works perfectly on my machine using PEAR_DB and mysql`
`12:22.56`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: i mean, Of Course i know how to work with reps,...`
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`12:23.12`	`Jemt`	`dsop: That's odd. Maybe my DB was foobar`
`12:23.18`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: Ok`
`12:23.39`	`gilrandir^`	`in Debian 3.1, NFS server v3, is by default used TCP or UDP protocol? (and where can i check which is actually used?)`
`12:23.55`	`dantix`	`hi all, I've an issue with sshd. It's start from the console with -D option but if I try to start as normal in daemon way it simply do not start silently. In a past I've read about this issue as related to ssh keys missing or something like that, anyone knows how resolve this issue?`
`12:23.56`	`dsop`	`Jemt, yeah, i was confused, but of course i forget to set engine=innodb on my create table:)`
`12:23.59`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: Change the content of /etc/apt/sources.list to this : htto://powerzone.dk/tmp/sources.list`
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`12:24.23`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Hehe :)`
`12:24.32`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: And then do the "apt-get update" thing`
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`12:26.11`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: Done ?`
`12:26.38`	`nvz`	`gilrandir^: maybe a netstat -pant will help`
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`12:26.57`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: this would add the whole unstale packages,...`
`12:27.19`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: Yes`
`12:27.26`	`Jemt`	`DustyDingo: You could also do this:`
`12:27.34`	`Jemt`	`!tell DustyDingo about java-package`
`12:27.41`	`Jemt`	`Actually I would recommend doing that instead`
`12:27.58`	`Jemt`	`I build my own Java-SDK package like that`
`12:28.29`	`gilrandir^`	`nvz: hm, i don't see any udp at all, strange...`
`12:28.33`	`thegve`	`gilrandir^: tcpdump and/or config i guess..`
`12:28.34`	`DustyDingo`	`Jemt: mom`
`12:28.39`	`Jemt`	`?`
`12:29.12`	`nvz`	`bah I am tired as fuck gonna have to go to bed`
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`12:29.29`	`nvz`	`almost fell asleep on the keyboard`
`12:29.37`	`dantix`	`hi all, I've an issue with sshd. It's start from the console with -D option but if I try to start as normal in daemon way it simply do not start silently. In a past I've read about this issue as related to ssh keys missing or something like that, anyone knows how resolve this issue?`
`12:29.59`	`ph00`	`a paranoid noob's question: Installing some app from source and download the source from the internet, I often get a chance to chek that ppl signing those tutorials, faqs etc, really are who they say they are, and they guarantee that the app is what it is and doesn what it's supposed to: nothing more, nothing less]. OK? Now: if I install app from repos, who* says that the stuff is what it's supposed to be? The author, the guy at repo's addres`
`12:29.59`	`ph00`	`s, someone else (who)?`
`12:30.19`	`gilrandir^`	`thegve: too much traffic... and i know no way to differentiate nfs connetions from any other`
`12:30.25`	`nvz`	`dantix: repeating that every 5 minutes wont solve anything`
`12:30.51`	`dantix`	`nvz, sorry`
`12:31.08`	`nvz`	`dantix: your question has many problems the problem is unclear, you propose a solution without knowing whats wrong, and you keep repeating it without trying to make it so we understand whats going on`
`12:31.14`	`thegve`	`gilrandir^: Port 1050 was default tcp NFS I thought.. But I'm almost sure it's TCP by default.`
`12:31.42`	`nvz`	`dantix: I dont know what you mean by do not start silently.;. when you do /etc/init.d/ssh start what specifically is wrong?`
`12:31.48`	`gilrandir^`	`thegve: ok, that may help, thanks :)`
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`12:32.20`	`dantix`	`nvz: ssh says that started normally but the daemond dies..`
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`12:32.41`	`nvz`	`dantix: what distro do you think you are using here?`
`12:32.44`	`dantix`	`nvz: but if I've started ssh -D -d starts well and works`
`12:32.45`	`thegve`	`gilrandir^: http://www.spirit.com/Resources/ports.html`
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`12:32.54`	`thegve`	`2049nfsTCP/UDPNDefault NFS port; very dangerous`
`12:32.56`	`dantix`	`nvz: sarge`
`12:33.01`	`nvz`	`dantix: sounds like the init.d script might be fucked`
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`12:33.11`	`nvz`	`dantix: whats the ssh version?`
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`12:33.47`	`dantix`	`nvz: 3.8.1`
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`12:35.57`	`gilrandir^`	`thegve: looks like it uses tcp... though i'd like to see a way to get this from a conf file, not by messing with netstat... :)`
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`12:36.38`	`HNT`	`Hello everybody, i know that actually, xgl is really unstable because he is still in developpement, i also read that he will be more stable at the end of 2006 so my question is simple, is the an aproximation of when will we have xserver-xgl on the apt ?`
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`12:37.00`	`ma3x`	`what was the option to route the irq's ?`
`12:37.06`	`ma3x`	`pci=route?`
`12:37.17`	`thegve`	`gilrandir^: Noticed the lack of config files too. But I guess this is because it is, or can be, a kernel mode server`
`12:37.50`	`ma3x`	`hello!`
`12:37.52`	`gilrandir^`	`thegve: ah, ok... :)`
`12:37.54`	`ma3x`	`!route`
`12:37.54`	`dpkg`	`ask me about 'static route'`
`12:37.56`	`nvz`	`dantix: md5sum /etc/init.d/ssh ?`
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`12:39.26`	`HNT`	`Hello everybody, i know that actually, xgl is really unstable because he is still in developpement, i also read that he will be more stable at the end of 2006 so my question is simple, is the an aproximation of when will we have xserver-xgl on the apt ?`
`12:40.20`	`dantix`	`nvz: 60c7f78120c01b393255eb7619886d96 /etc/init.d/ssh`
`12:40.44`	`nvz`	`dantix: that matches mine.. so I guess that rules out something wrong with the init.d script`
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`12:41.10`	`dantix`	`nvz: ok, I'll check that, thanks`
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`12:41.52`	`nvz`	`so when you start it via init.d it dies and when you run it manually in debug it doesnt?`
`12:44.57`	`ma3x`	`how do I reroute irq?`
`12:44.58`	`dantix`	`nvz: not exactly, when I've issued etc/init.d/ssh start it's dies..`
`12:44.58`	`nvz`	`dantix: you shouldnt have it running ffs when you run that`
`12:44.58`	`nvz`	`dantix: that command is to start it`
`12:45.24`	`nvz`	`it cant die when you run that command if its not running before, and if its already running there is no reason to use that command`
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`12:46.34`	`sdfdfs`	`hi all, anyone knows why debian uses cron.daily for rotating syslog log files instead of logrotate ?`
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`12:47.29`	`ktwilight`	`what's the factoid that tells me how to reconfigure my keyboard?`
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`12:47.40`	`ktwilight`	`its not dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i hope`
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`12:51.03`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`setxkbmap ?`
`12:51.18`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`ktwilight, Describe what you exactly want to do`
`12:51.53`	`ktwilight`	`i had an italian keybaord and its keymap is configured to that, now i have a US keyboard, how do i reconfigure the keys`
`12:52.02`	`ktwilight`	`i cant remember what to do`
`12:52.03`	`nvz`	`sdfdfs: maybe because cron is in base and logrotate isnt`
`12:52.14`	`nvz`	`sdfdfs: I dont know this for sure its just a wild guess`
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`12:54.06`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Hm, PEAR works fine, except it says "mysqli" is not an extension. 'mysql' works fine though`
`12:54.12`	`cydork`	`ktwilight: /msg dpkg keymap`
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`12:55.28`	`ktwilight`	`thanks cydork`
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`12:55.37`	`ktwilight`	`is there a place where i can learn which keymap i should choose?`
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`12:55.57`	`ktwilight`	`standard, iso 8859-1, 8859-15 and with latin1?`
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`12:58.31`	`dsop`	`Jemt, yeah you only can use mysql if you dont compile it with mysqli, that what i said, you have to decide if PEAR and mysql is enough or if you need mysqli support which menas recompiling stuff`
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`12:59.32`	`User09`	`hi`
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`13:02.58`	`CAiRO`	`hmm, since i've upgraded cups openoffice doesn't find my printer anymore`
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`13:03.15`	`CAiRO`	`but i can print the test page through the web interface of cups`
`13:04.07`	`thegve`	`Back with more of the diskless debian problem. I've now got a fully booting debian. I only can't get any input to work. I put "dmesg" in a rc script, and according to the kernel it detected a keyboard.`
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`13:05.25`	`Jemt`	`dsop: Okay. THanks`
`13:05.45`	`Jemt`	`dsop: It was just unclear to me whether PEAR came with MySQLi support or not`
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`13:11.10`	`nvz`	`here comes my cousin.. he's probably a mile away and I can already hear his damn stereo`
`13:11.18`	`abrotman`	`yinzer`
`13:12.28`	`MatBoy`	`nvz, hehe, that is a good point.. you know when you don't need to open the door when you don;t want him :)`
`13:12.43`	`nvz`	`yeah he's the only one that still thinks thats cool apperently`
`13:13.00`	`MatBoy`	`nvz, does he drive a Opel GSI ?`
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`13:14.06`	`nvz`	`he was driving a honda civic but he got like a LHS now`
`13:14.16`	`MatBoy`	`LHS ?`
`13:14.31`	`MatBoy`	`civic is for sissies that needs bling bling for less money :p`
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`13:16.25`	`possie`	`on my system i'm seeing a lot of io-timewaits how can i check which proccess are io bound currently?`
`13:19.04`	`nvz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:19.26`	`MatBoy`	`nvz, dunno what it is, I assume a car :)`
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`13:20.37`	`nvz`	`MatBoy: http://www.carseek.com/car_images/99lhs.jpg`
`13:21.01`	`MatBoy`	`nvz, damn how ugly`
`13:23.32`	`Gnea`	`MatBoy: what do you consider to be a non-ugly car?`
`13:23.53`	`MatBoy`	`Lexus IS 200/300/350`
`13:24.12`	`Gnea`	`what do you think about toyota?`
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`13:26.28`	`Gnea`	`http://images.securedwebform.com/stock/300/TOYOTA/COROLLA/2006/4SA.jpg`
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`13:26.54`	`dantix`	`nvz, resolved!!!`
`13:27.41`	`dantix`	`nvz, my /dev/null was broken, I've recreated it and all works fine again`
`13:27.42`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`13:27.42`	`dpkg`	`popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`13:28.13`	`nvz`	`@.@`
`13:28.13`	`Gnea`	`MatBoy: no opinion?`
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`13:28.50`	`MatBoy`	`Gnea, it are all US-based models... really not european`
`13:29.10`	`MatBoy`	`In the European opinion they are ugly.. :S`
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`13:29.50`	`Gnea`	`MatBoy: funny, considering toyota is a japanese company and lexus is owned by toyota ;)`
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`13:30.14`	`MatBoy`	`Gnea, toyota Supra is what I like :)`
`13:30.17`	`MatBoy`	`R32 or something`
`13:30.21`	`Gnea`	`lmao!`
`13:30.23`	`MatBoy`	`but standard...`
`13:30.46`	`MatBoy`	`Meibach is Mercedes.. also totally different`
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`13:31.06`	`Gnea`	`too bad they get horrible gas mileage`
`13:31.25`	`Gnea`	`the corolla owns them all`
`13:32.33`	`ma3x`	`wlan0: rx: 91 DUPs in 330 packets received in 10 secs`
`13:32.33`	`ma3x`	`wlan0: rx: 29 DUPs in 83 packets received in 10 secs`
`13:32.42`	`ma3x`	`what's that? why do I receive those? my dmesg is flooded with them`
`13:33.11`	`MatBoy`	`Gnea, btw... every model is different in every country`
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`13:33.30`	`ma3x`	`is it possible because of the starting of the IGMP service`
`13:33.55`	`sep`	`ma3x, means a duplicae packet is recived. sometimes a indication on retransmits or on 2 hosts with the same ip. try broadcast pinging, or fping your whole subnet`
`13:34.01`	`the_mug`	`MatBoy: isn't it crazy that stinking Mercedes has a 'luxury' line (Meibach) ?`
`13:34.16`	`Gnea`	`MatBoy: corolla: Gas mileage: 32 city, 40 highway (5-speed); 29 city, 38 highway (automatic)`
`13:34.20`	`sep`	`multicast ? perhaps havent tried that`
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`13:34.37`	`MatBoy`	`the_mug, I don;t like Mercedes :p`
`13:34.46`	`Gnea`	`MatBoy: yeah that's true, but what non-hybrid do you know of comes close to that?`
`13:35.03`	`MatBoy`	`Gnea, nah... I drive a carb-car... as long as it uses much gas.. it's OK :P`
`13:35.52`	`ma3x`	`sep, do I need QoS and Igmp enabled for my adsl connection or disabled?`
`13:36.01`	`Gnea`	`MatBoy: heh.`
`13:36.13`	`MatBoy`	`:)`
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`13:36.44`	`MatBoy`	`I'm thinking of placing EXTRA MONITOR ON TOP OF MY MAIN ONE`
`13:36.48`	`MatBoy`	`oops`
`13:36.50`	`MatBoy`	`caps-lock`
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`13:38.40`	`thegve`	`MatBoy: Don't place your old CRT on your new TFT screen..`
`13:39.18`	`MatBoy`	`thegve, haha :D I have 3 TFT's already. But it's impossible to run 2 on top of 3 like a peramide`
`13:39.39`	`MatBoy`	`so I need one to place above my main one`
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`13:40.48`	`MatBoy`	`The question is... will I use it`
`13:41.36`	`MatBoy`	`I doubt if it;s nice working`
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`13:43.24`	`thegve`	`How can I create partitions the easiest scripting. echo "n 1 p jada jada" \| fdisk /dev/sda isn't very cool`
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`13:43.51`	`eml`	`Hi! I just compiled my own kernel, I've got the bzImage and all, I did make modules_install too. I'm looking at /boot/grub/menu.lst at the moment, and I see an initrd.img-xxx.. I know this is a 'ram disk', but how do I make my own initrd.img?`
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`13:44.15`	`thegve`	`I've got my netbooting debian. Now I'm transforming it into an installer system using debootstrap etc.`
`13:44.30`	`cydork`	`eml: /msg dpkg kernel package`
`13:44.45`	`eml`	`cydork, I want to compile my own :P`
`13:45.04`	`thegve`	`eml: mkinitrd -o <initrd image path> <kernel version>`
`13:45.12`	`thegve`	`man mkinitrd too...`
`13:45.20`	`eml`	`Ok, thanks.`
`13:45.53`	`cydork`	`eml: that's why i said check the freekin factoid`
`13:46.09`	`eml`	`cydork, Oh, I thought it was about apt-getting a newer one, sorry`
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`13:46.53`	`thegve`	`anyone a suggestion in my partitioning question? Something like "not possible" is acceptable too...`
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`13:47.20`	`eml`	`thegve, Uhm, is that the same as mkinitramfs?`
`13:47.47`	`thegve`	`nope: Does a lot more.`
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`13:48.06`	`zzz`	`Hi! With the mail program, (how) can i attach attachment(s) to my email? (If it counts, i have postfix on a debian sarge).`
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`13:48.26`	`thegve`	`Execute mkinitrd -k <rest of params>, it will then keep the contents it creates an image of in /tmp/mkinitrd.<random>`
`13:48.49`	`eml`	`thegve, There's no mkinitrd :P`
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`13:48.55`	`thegve`	`get one`
`13:49.55`	`Ronin`	`zzz: with what mail program? postfix is a mta do you mean a mua?`
`13:49.56`	`eml`	`o.O`
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`13:50.10`	`omega2006`	`hi, is there a way to tell apt that download every package that is a dependency for a specific package? i mean apt saves packages on /var/cache/apt`
`13:50.20`	`prudhvi`	`How, do i check if d-i is packed for te_IN ?`
`13:50.20`	`thegve`	`eml: apt-get build-dep kernel-tree-2.6.8`
`13:50.29`	`thegve`	`all the tools you'd probably need`
`13:50.36`	`eml`	`Ok, thanks`
`13:51.32`	`eml`	`That doesn't work though, but I'll follow the guidelines I got from dpkg`
`13:51.34`	`k31th`	`ok umm when i send a mail the server the other end pics the mail up on port 25 right ?`
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`13:52.42`	`zzz`	`Ronin: yes, with a user agent i want it certainly. Is mail capable for it, or do i need anything else?`
`13:52.45`	`thegve`	`eml: usr/sbin/mkinitrd utils/initrd-tools ... ok :)`
`13:53.03`	`eml`	`thegve, Hmm, character encoding conflicts :P`
`13:53.06`	`th0ger`	`One of my demons somehow died... if i run 'init <current-runlevel>', should it be restarted???`
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`13:53.18`	`ma3x`	`acx: got IV_ICV_Failure IRQ(s)`
`13:53.20`	`ma3x`	`what's that!?`
`13:53.20`	`eml`	`thegve, There's only mkinitramfs actually :))`
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`13:53.32`	`thegve`	`http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mkinitrd&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386`
`13:53.33`	`eml`	`thegve, I'll try it the dpkg way`
`13:53.39`	`thegve`	`it's ok`
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`13:53.58`	`thegve`	`but mkinitrd DOES exist :)`
`13:54.01`	`eml`	`After installing it, yeah. :D`
`13:54.01`	`cydork`	`th0ger: just start it using /etc/init.d/demaon start`
`13:54.45`	`th0ger`	`cydork: that works, yes! but i want init to control my services!`
`13:54.53`	`th0ger`	`cydork: also at startup!`
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`13:56.10`	`cydork`	`th0ger: install rcconf`
`13:56.10`	`cydork`	`th0ger: and do update-rcconf-guide`
`13:56.10`	`th0ger`	`cydork: the symlinks in rc-dirs are ok`
`13:56.18`	`cydork`	`th0ger: yes you can do that but rcconf or update-rc.d is more elegant`
`13:56.24`	`snail`	`there is a software patent survey you may be interested in at http://survey.tangency.co.uk`
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`13:57.35`	`th0ger`	`cydork: i know, i also use sysvconfig... but it cannot start the service ^^`
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`13:58.06`	`MatBoy`	`is 2 GB for a home-server too much ? It's only sharing some files, doing DNS and some mail sometimes. MySQL for Amarok`
`13:58.06`	`MatBoy`	`1GB will do also I have the idea`
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`13:58.49`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy: 1GB of what ?`
`13:59.00`	`MatBoy`	`fireba11, internal MEM`
`13:59.22`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy: if by that you mean ram 512 would do just fine as well`
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`13:59.41`	`MatBoy`	`ah OK... I will switch my 1 GB to my server and give myself the 2 GB :)`
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`14:01.43`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy my virtual server got only 256 MB ... and it's running a couple webpages with apache2, a couple mysql databases, mailserver (lots of spammails .. several thousand a day ..) with spamassassin and clamav, dns and a couple smaller gimicks ... that would work fine with 512 MB, the 256 MB is a bit low sometimes :-)`
`14:01.57`	`yojimbo-san`	`I'd like to be able to keep two conflicting packages installed (they don't have any files in common); but although dpkg --force-conflicts has installed one of them, subsequent aptitude runs want to remove one of them. How do I get to keep both? Something to do with Pinning, but what?`
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`14:02.27`	`MatBoy`	`fireba11, OK thanks ! My homeserver is only a Celeron 3,06 Ghz`
`14:02.30`	`MatBoy`	`simple thing`
`14:02.32`	`th0ger`	`Problem: /etc/init/demon start\|stop works. Using sysvconf nothing happens!`
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`14:02.56`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy: the virtual box i got got effectively 1 GHz or soemthing :-)`
`14:03.06`	`cydork`	`th0ger: sysvconf is for startup it wont affect the running daemons i guess..`
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`14:03.23`	`num000`	`has anyone used a xircom cbe2-100 pcmcia card with debian successfuly? (xircom cardbus ethernet II)`
`14:03.24`	`cydork`	`th0ger: use invoke-rc.d daemon start\|stop`
`14:03.36`	`MatBoy`	`fireba11, owwwwwwww`
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`14:03.56`	`eml`	`cydork, Thanks`
`14:03.58`	`th0ger`	`cydork: ah, ok!`
`14:04.14`	`cydork`	`eml: np :)`
`14:04.25`	`eml`	`snail, Thanks`
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`14:04.46`	`th0ger`	`cydork: thanks, problem solved :)`
`14:04.58`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy as long as you run it headless pretty much any old box does the job`
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`14:05.05`	`th0ger`	`cydork: u are popular, ha`
`14:05.39`	`MatBoy`	`fireba11, indeed... but my old hardware was to noisy... HD's and so on`
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`14:06.38`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy: :-) true .. got a PIII 900 with 512 MB at home .. just fine for playing around a bit .. will have to switch fans sometime soon though .. it's getting too loud`
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`14:07.40`	`MatBoy`	`fireba11, indeed, WD drives, SATA are very quiet... so that's why I needed them :)`
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`14:07.54`	`MatBoy`	`it has an uptime of 200 days or something`
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`14:08.07`	`Mattz0r`	`Ive managed to fill my harddrive, i come to try and remove files, and it says cannot remove, read only file system, how am i ment to free up space?`
`14:09.24`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy: if you want it quiet samsung is even better ... the drives are usually no problem though ... only old ones might be noisy. the important part is to have a big PSU and CPU fan taht STAYS quiet for a long time :-)`
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`14:10.05`	`Plouj`	`what package do I need for make, gcc, and other linux building tools?`
`14:10.24`	`fireba11`	`MatBoy: most of my servers here got an uptime of 159 days .. that's wehn we moved into the current building :-D`
`14:10.32`	`Mattz0r`	`anyone able to help? im in desperate need of it`
`14:10.47`	`fireba11`	`Plouj: guess :-)`
`14:11.06`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: you need to re-mount rw`
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`14:11.21`	`Plouj`	`fireba11: heh, ok, I'm installing make and get`
`14:11.26`	`MatBoy`	`fireba11, yep, my otherones too :) I switched to CentOS because I needed RHEL but didn't want to pay for it. On my workstation I'm happy with Debian, my laptop too :D`
`14:11.27`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: usually a drive gets auto-mounted as read only on errors though`
`14:11.38`	`Mattz0r`	`k`
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`14:12.07`	`stew`	`oy`
`14:12.08`	`Plouj`	`oh, great`
`14:12.12`	`Plouj`	`checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables`
`14:12.13`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: it should not do that when it's just full so keep an eye open for hd errors`
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`14:12.21`	`Mattz0r`	`okay`
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`14:13.58`	`archonel`	hi, i install apache2 with apt-get tehen i removed and also the folder /etc/apache2 now when i install apach2 it won`t create the folder /etc/apache2
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`14:14.13`	`archonel`	`and all the files`
`14:15.36`	`Mattz0r`	`hmmm fireba11: how would i re-mount rw`
`14:15.36`	`fireba11`	`archonel: do a apt-get remove --purge apache2; apt-get install apache2`
`14:15.44`	`archonel`	`i did`
`14:15.50`	`archonel`	`let me try again`
`14:16.04`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r you don't know how to use mount �`
`14:16.05`	`fireba11`	`?`
`14:16.11`	`thegve`	`How can I try to redetect devices, I've modprobed some drivers if everything went ok...`
`14:16.20`	`Mattz0r`	`its a dedicated server, i didnt have to`
`14:16.39`	`Mattz0r`	`and that didnt answer my question`
`14:16.45`	`archonel`	`fireba11 does nto work`
`14:16.46`	`Mattz0r`	`if i did know how to use it, i wouldnt have asked.`
`14:17.00`	`fireba11`	`archonel: any message ?`
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`14:17.13`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: true :-) you can also just reboot it`
`14:17.16`	`Persilon`	`Hi`
`14:17.23`	`Mattz0r`	`68day uptime...`
`14:17.25`	`Mattz0r`	`to thanks`
`14:17.30`	`archonel`	`The following NEW packages will be installed: apache`
`14:17.32`	`Persilon`	`I'm trying to setup an iptables firewall but I'm having troubles with passv ftp`
`14:17.51`	`Persilon`	`I'm trying to add this rule: iptables -I INPUT -p ALL -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT`
`14:17.52`	`archonel`	`and i get all the binaries like apache2ctl and etc`
`14:17.58`	`fireba11`	`archonel: err .. you want to install apache or apache2 ?`
`14:18.01`	`Persilon`	`but I get : iptables: No chain/target/match by that name`
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`14:18.15`	`archonel`	`apach2 sry above i ment apache2 not apache`
`14:18.21`	`fireba11`	`archonel: okies ...`
`14:18.25`	`archonel`	`the ideea is that the binaries are install but the conf files not`
`14:18.45`	`Mattz0r`	`aptitude purge apache2`
`14:18.47`	`Mattz0r`	`^^`
`14:18.48`	`Mattz0r`	`try that`
`14:18.52`	`fireba11`	`archonel: if you remove with --purge it will remove config and on next install re-create it though .. or it shoudl at least`
`14:18.52`	`Mattz0r`	`it solved my issues`
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`14:19.27`	`Mattz0r`	`fireba11: u gunna tell me how to re-mount w/e it is i need to remount?`
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`14:19.54`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: would have to look it up myself .. ;-) just look up mount command`
`14:19.59`	`Mattz0r`	`heh`
`14:20.00`	`Mattz0r`	`k`
`14:20.06`	`archonel`	`nope sry`
`14:20.07`	`archonel`	`same`
`14:20.18`	`archonel`	`the binaries are getting isntalled but the conf files no`
`14:20.24`	`stew`	`Persilon: what about without the -p ALL ? if you are trying to match all protocols it seems like you could just leave that out`
`14:20.43`	`Persilon`	`stew: I get the same error`
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`14:21.13`	`archonel`	`very strange`
`14:21.28`	`Persilon`	`archonel: I don't know wich iptables modules do I need`
`14:21.35`	`Persilon`	`the firewall is working ok`
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`14:22.28`	`redondo`	`Hi all. My first time here. I need help with apt. I need apt-get to download ALL the dependecies packages to my apt cache.`
`14:22.29`	`archonel`	`fireba11 any hints or should i compile it from source :)`
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`14:23.05`	`fireba11`	`archonel: hah got it .. apache2 is a meta-package .. so you need to purge apache2-ommon or apache2-mpm-worker`
`14:23.11`	`cydork`	`redondo: man apt-get and look for download only option`
`14:23.16`	`archonel`	`hmm`
`14:23.23`	`fireba11`	`archonel: the -common most likely`
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`14:23.39`	`thegve`	`Damn vendor "redhat/suse" attitude is so damn annoying.... Getting some raid controller to work... LSI SAS thingie...`
`14:23.47`	`thegve`	`but no deb's`
`14:24.08`	`krenin`	`hello... I am trying to create a /dev entry for my USB RS-232 adapter, /dev/ttyUSB0, however it gets deleted on reboot - how do I get it to stay there?`
`14:24.12`	`cydork`	`archonel: /msg dpkg confmiss`
`14:24.29`	`yojimbo-san`	`I'd like to be able to keep two conflicting packages installed (they don't have any files in common); but although dpkg --force-conflicts has installed one of them, subsequent aptitude runs want to remove one of them. How do I get to keep both? Something to do with Pinning, but what?`
`14:24.33`	`redondo`	`cydork: thanks, have seen it. But there are packages that are needed and are not downloaded...`
`14:25.05`	`archonel`	`yup`
`14:25.10`	`archonel`	worked fireba11 u da` man
`14:25.12`	`archonel`	`thanks`
`14:25.20`	`fireba11`	`archonel: np`
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`14:25.36`	`archonel`	`i thought i ahve to compile everything by hand :(`
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`14:26.09`	`fireba11`	`archonel: nah .. it'S just the meta-package didn't bring in the config so it didn't get reinstalled ...`
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`14:27.32`	`jkp_`	`hey all`
`14:27.41`	`jkp_`	`ive got an incredibly strange problem on my server`
`14:27.45`	`msn`	`i am using php5-cgi with suphp on sid trying to check if it works. the problem it was working 2 days back and not php is not loading any extensions`
`14:27.48`	`fireba11`	`jkp_: tell us about it :-)`
`14:27.54`	`jkp_`	`for some reason all processes seem to spawn loads of times`
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`14:28.07`	`jkp_`	`30 apache2 instances, 5 bind, 6 bacula`
`14:28.34`	`jkp_`	`i thought it was a problem with bacula (this is where i noticed it first) but it seems that other stuff is creating too many processes`
`14:28.37`	`jkp_`	`not sure where to look`
`14:28.38`	`Bushmills`	`30 apache2 sounds quite ... normal. unless you have reduced the max number of servers`
`14:28.51`	`MatBoy`	`I'm trying to find out if a Sweex Remote Control will work under Debian`
`14:29.05`	`jkp_`	`Bushmills: what about bind ... bacula?`
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`14:29.13`	`jkp_`	`i cant see why they would spawn multiple instances`
`14:29.22`	`fireba11`	`jkp_: 5 bind may also be normal .. i never saw more than on bacula .. i never watched while ti was working though`
`14:29.22`	`eml`	`That version parameter to mkinitrd, should that just be my kernel-version?`
`14:29.28`	`Bushmills`	`bacula i don't know. bind could be. 5 isn't too bad`
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`14:29.42`	`jkp_`	`bacula isnt working atm and it should only have one process instance`
`14:29.45`	`Mattz0r`	`fireba11: i rebooted, it doesnt look like its coming back up`
`14:29.51`	`Jemt`	`Greetz. How can I change the resolution of my console ?`
`14:30.12`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: anything in the logs ?`
`14:30.16`	`Mattz0r`	`...`
`14:30.21`	`Mattz0r`	`i didnt look`
`14:30.22`	`Mattz0r`	`heh`
`14:30.39`	`Bushmills`	`jemt, fbset (framebuffer) or svgatextmode`
`14:30.47`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: check kern sys and messages then .. also do a df -hT`
`14:30.52`	`Mattz0r`	`.........`
`14:30.52`	`archonel`	`fireba11 ..another strange thing now when i reinstall php i does not add the php module in mods-enabeled`
`14:30.54`	`jkp_`	`apache should be a multithreaded MPM instance as well, StartSevers is set to 1`
`14:30.55`	`Mattz0r`	`did u not read?`
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`14:31.00`	`Mattz0r`	`[15:29] <Mattz0r> fireba11: i rebooted, it doesnt look like its coming back up`
`14:31.09`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: Thanks`
`14:31.14`	`Mattz0r`	`its not booting back up..`
`14:31.23`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: the call your hoster, the HD seems to be dead then`
`14:31.31`	`S4nD3r`	`How to download a user interface language to setup it in my openoffice2 ??`
`14:31.36`	`MatBoy`	`noone using a remote control with debian ?`
`14:31.42`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: i though you ment to say no change ...`
`14:31.56`	`Mattz0r`	`ah okay.`
`14:32.11`	`archonel`	`fireba11 any hints ?`
`14:32.28`	`fireba11`	`archonel: not really .. but that's just a symlink anyway, just do it manually`
`14:33.27`	`Bushmills`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:33.45`	`msn`	`i am using php5-cgi with suphp on sid trying to check if it works. the problem it was working 2 days back and not php is not loading any extensions`
`14:33.47`	`archonel`	`but on a server i have /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so here i do not ahve it`
`14:33.51`	`archonel`	`so i can not do it manualy`
`14:34.08`	`archonel`	`it does not add the library`
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`14:34.25`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: I've just installed svgatextmode - but the program 'svgatextmode' does not exits`
`14:34.27`	`archonel`	`lol`
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`14:34.37`	`fireba11`	`archonel: what exactly did you install ?`
`14:34.43`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: How do I configure it ?`
`14:34.44`	`archonel`	`somebody F.... look /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so`
`14:34.50`	`Bushmills`	`does not exit? try ctrl-c`
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`14:35.09`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: What should that do ?`
`14:35.23`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: Well, nothing happens`
`14:35.35`	`Bushmills`	`end the program, in case it doesn't return a prompt`
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`14:35.48`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: How can I start it if it dosn't exist ?`
`14:35.50`	`Bushmills`	`which i suppose it doesn't if it doesn't exit`
`14:36.04`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: I installed it - but it's not called "svgatextmode" when it is installed`
`14:36.21`	`Bushmills`	`Jemt: you are quick reading the docs... only took you 30 seconds to read them??`
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`14:36.48`	`neenaoffline`	`I just "apt-get installed bittorrent" how do I use it ? I can't find any new commands :(`
`14:36.51`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: What docs? I can't do 'man svgatextmode' when the program is not called so >.<`
`14:37.06`	`Ronin`	`neenaoffline: man foo`
`14:37.08`	`Jemt`	`Woops, it actually is. Sorry`
`14:37.18`	`Bushmills`	`jemt, ever heard of/seen /usr/share/doc ?`
`14:37.19`	`Gnea`	`neenaoffline: try bt<tab-key><tab-key>`
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`14:37.25`	`Jemt`	`Bushmills: Nope`
`14:37.29`	`Maquiavelo`	`Good morning, I just installed Etch from one of the cd snapshots, everything is good and fine and dandy and beatiful, I'm trying to create a LiveCD of it, so I aptitude instaleld bootcd then I created the iso and burnt it and tried to boot with it, but I get a suicidal init: Kernel Panic - Attempted to kill init!`
`14:37.31`	`abrotman`	`neenaoffline: dpkg -L bittorrent`
`14:37.34`	`Bushmills`	`i thought so`
`14:38.19`	`neenaoffline`	`yes bt is the command :) , OMG there are a lotta commands :) , Ronin: there's no "man bittorrent" :)`
`14:38.22`	`Gnea`	`Maquiavelo: etch isn't stable yet, it's subject to problems such as this.`
`14:38.38`	`Maquiavelo`	`Gnea, It was happening with Woody too`
`14:38.38`	`archonel`	`fireba11 maby i can help. it keeps installing php for apache 1.3`
`14:38.43`	`Maquiavelo`	`err Sarge`
`14:38.51`	`Gnea`	`Maquiavelo: what about sid?`
`14:38.54`	`archonel`	`and i did a apt-get remove --purge apache and apache-common`
`14:38.57`	`Maquiavelo`	`Haven't tried with Sid.`
`14:39.02`	`Gnea`	`:)`
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`14:39.24`	`Gnea`	`Maquiavelo: could be a known problem... you should check the mailing lists`
`14:39.27`	`Ronin`	`neenaoffline: then it may be more like man btdownloadcurses etc`
`14:39.54`	`Mattz0r`	`fireba11: hm, it appears to have come back up, it just took longer than anticipated`
`14:39.59`	`stew`	`Maquiavelo: what kernel version are you using?`
`14:40.02`	`Mattz0r`	`and i managed to remove some stuff`
`14:40.04`	`Mattz0r`	`so all is goo`
`14:40.05`	`Mattz0r`	`d`
`14:40.05`	`neenaoffline`	`Ronin: yeah , that's what I needed , thanks anyway :)`
`14:40.07`	`stew`	`Maquiavelo: was it talking about /dev/console?`
`14:40.57`	`abrotman`	`he lives!`
`14:41.44`	`eml`	`Uhm, so I just compiled a kernel and installed the nvidia-driver (from nvidias page)... Looks like it installed it and everything went smooth, but when I try to start xorg it sais "driver/module not available".. I of course figured the module wasn't probed, so I did modprobe nvidia and I got a message that it has been probed. But I still get the same error, any ideas?`
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`14:42.47`	`Uno-di-GE-1971`	`Hi everybody`
`14:42.53`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, did you install nvidia-glx?`
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`14:42.59`	`Bushmills`	`eml, what does lsmod \| grep nvidia show?`
`14:43.11`	`eml`	`jdhutchin1, Nope, I commented out the Load "GLX"-part though`
`14:43.24`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, you need to install nvidia-glx then as well`
`14:43.30`	`fireba11`	`Mattz0r: probably did a fsck on boot since that was due`
`14:43.41`	`eml`	`Bushmills, http://home.eml.nu/lsmodnvidia.txt`
`14:43.46`	`Bushmills`	`'k`
`14:43.55`	`eml`	`jdhutchin1, Are you sure? I think that only applies when I use GLX.`
`14:44.01`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, yes, I'm sure`
`14:44.04`	`archonel`	`fireba11 when i isntall php4 it automaticaly installs apache-common`
`14:44.07`	`eml`	`Bushmills, Sorry about the inconvinience(spelling), but I can't copy-paste at the moment`
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`14:44.10`	`archonel`	`WTF ?`
`14:44.12`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, it contains the actual xorg driver`
`14:44.16`	`Uno-di-GE-1971`	`Is here anyone that can help me with a problem with an integrated ethernet controller? (sorry for my english, I'm Italian)`
`14:44.23`	`Hocus`	`hi, i've forgotten thy root passwd of my pc how do i restore ?`
`14:44.33`	`Hocus`	`someone told me such a type int 1 etc`
`14:44.33`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, xorg on its own doesn't know how to to talk to the kernel module, the xorg driver in nvidia-glx does`
`14:44.36`	`eml`	`jdhutchin1, Oh... apt-get nvidia-glx doesn't seem to have a candidate though, and shouldn't I be good to go after using nvidias own package?`
`14:44.37`	`Hocus`	`what's this ?`
`14:44.50`	`eml`	`jdhutchin1, Make that nvidia's`
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`14:45.01`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, you should never use nvidia's own installer with debian... it can cause lots of problems`
`14:45.13`	`fireba11`	`archonel hm ... you probably want libapache2-mod-php4 instead`
`14:45.13`	`Bushmills`	`ems, and file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o ?`
`14:45.14`	`archonel`	`oh`
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`14:45.34`	`archonel`	`that is how php4 for apache2 is called ?`
`14:45.34`	`eml`	`jdhutchin1, Oh... I've had nothing but troubles with the debian package though :-O`
`14:45.44`	`eml`	`Bushmills, I suppose that one was for me`
`14:45.47`	`Bushmills`	`right`
`14:45.48`	`cydork`	`eml: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner`
`14:45.55`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, at least the package manager will know about the files`
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`14:46.43`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:46.45`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`heh`
`14:46.48`	`fireba11`	`archonel: that's the apache2 php4 module ...`
`14:46.55`	`jdhutchin1`	`eml, do you have non-free and contrib in your apt sources?`
`14:47.03`	`Anthro`	`I am attempting to install with a 3.1r2 i386 netinst disc on a machine (Optiplex GX520) with an SATA drive. The installer can't seem to find the drive, however. Any suggestions?`
`14:47.11`	`eml`	`jdhutchin1, I do, but I use testing (etch I suppose)`
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`14:47.30`	`eml`	`Looks like I'll have to visit "ronald"'s website to get this done`
`14:47.31`	`Anthro`	`I've tried both the 2.4 kernel install and the 2.6 kernel install.`
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`14:47.53`	`fireba11`	`archonel: that's usually the one you want ...`
`14:48.04`	`archonel`	`thanks a lot`
`14:48.42`	`archonel`	`i never used debian before on fedora or centoes i just do a yum or apt install php`
`14:48.44`	`fireba11`	`Anthro: you need a newer kernel. there are modified installers with kernel 2.6.16 for example that will most likely work`
`14:48.44`	`archonel`	`and i detects what apache i have`
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`14:48.45`	`Anthro`	`fireba11: URL?`
`14:48.58`	`eml`	`Bushmills, Yep, no drv there.`
`14:48.59`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`hummm, no chan about web2.0.... I was curious to know how they think it would make the web any better to rely on javascript crap and make sites slow.... I still wonder if freebsd.org will get back to what it was before.... something usable...`
`14:49.04`	`Bushmills`	`eml, nvidia-glx provides that nvidia_drv.o`
`14:49.14`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`piece of crap...`
`14:49.37`	`eml`	`Bushmills, Yeah, looks like I'll have to visit a site to get these packages for etch`
`14:50.12`	`Anthro`	`fireba11: Thanks`
`14:51.06`	`fireba11`	`archonel taht usualyl works on debian too .. but there is also a cgi version of php`
`14:52.38`	`eml`	`http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php#support Which one do I really want? I'm not even sure what system I'm using, at least it's "testing", and etch I suppose.`
`14:53.52`	`Gnea`	`!etch`
`14:53.52`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer`
`14:54.17`	`jetscreamer`	`go for the borkage!`
`14:54.19`	`eml`	`Yeah, but which one would I want to go with on that site?`
`14:54.35`	`jetscreamer`	`if it was me, i'd pick unstable, but it's not me`
`14:54.58`	`eml`	`Let's pretend I'm you!`
`14:55.00`	`jetscreamer`	`of course i could fix it`
`14:55.12`	`eml`	`Fix what?`
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`14:55.20`	`jetscreamer`	`if it broke i could fix it`
`14:55.28`	`jetscreamer`	`after i picked unstable`
`14:55.28`	`eml`	`Oh, mkay`
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`14:56.05`	`jetscreamer`	`i've only tried the debian nvidia packages once a while ago... didn't work out for me`
`14:56.11`	`jetscreamer`	`i suck`
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`14:56.34`	`eml`	`Argh, one of those didn't work :/`
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`14:57.03`	`Anthro`	`I generally use testing, except for a few packages I want to pull from unstable.`
`14:57.17`	`fireba11`	`tztz`
`14:57.31`	`jetscreamer`	`he means the unofficial nvidia deb packages from that link he pasted though`
`14:57.35`	`eml`	`Anthro, Well, testing isn't a choice now, it seems`
`14:57.36`	`jetscreamer`	`by rdonald`
`14:57.47`	`jetscreamer`	`the nvidia maintainer iirc`
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`14:58.05`	`Anthro`	`eml: Er? Whyzat? I guess I need to read the scrollback.`
`14:58.17`	`eml`	`Anthro, http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php#support`
`14:58.25`	`dorian-`	`hey, how would i go about debugging an issue i'm having building a kernel - i downloaded the kernel packages and ran make-kpkg buildpackage and installed the resulting package, but when it boots it errors out with "kernel panic, please supply a valid root= parameter" or some such`
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`14:58.40`	`jetscreamer`	`ugh why buildpackage`
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`14:58.48`	`jetscreamer`	`do make-kpkg --targets`
`14:58.50`	`dorian-`	`well, isn't that "the way" to do it?`
`14:58.57`	`jetscreamer`	`and fix the initrd is the reason for the error i suspect`
`14:59.02`	`Anthro`	`eml: You can use mostly testing, with a few unstable packages. That's what I do.`
`14:59.04`	`jetscreamer`	`--targets gives you a list`
`14:59.07`	`dorian-`	`initrd eh`
`14:59.14`	`jetscreamer`	`of possible targets`
`14:59.16`	`Gnea`	`eml: dorian- you may have to fix your lilo.conf or menu.lst`
`14:59.17`	`eml`	`Anthro, Mmh, but there's no testing available over there :P`
`14:59.20`	`Gnea`	`oops`
`14:59.26`	`Gnea`	`dorian-: you may have to fix your lilo.conf or menu.lst`
`14:59.40`	`jetscreamer`	`yeah either fix the bootloader to not use initrd, after making sure what you need is compiled in, or add --initrd to your make-kpkg line`
`15:00.13`	`dorian-`	`ah.`
`15:00.23`	`jetscreamer`	`buildpackage gives you a monster....`
`15:00.23`	`dorian-`	`yeah the menu.lst didn't have an initrd entry init which was the odd thing`
`15:00.25`	`Gnea`	`initrd is pretty retarded once you're rolling your own`
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`15:00.31`	`dorian-`	`jetscreamer: i noticed`
`15:00.42`	`redondo`	`Hi all. I need to have all the packages installed in my system into my apt cache. For example, I do 'apt-get install libkrb53' and it says that the pkg is already installed, but it is not inside apt cache. Please help!`
`15:01.00`	`redondo`	`How I get all the debs of the packages installed in my system into the /var/cache/apt/archives?`
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`15:01.09`	`Gnea`	`redondo: you mean apt-cache?`
`15:01.14`	`redondo`	`is that possible?`
`15:01.16`	`jetscreamer`	`if you didn't compile with --initrd then update-grub won't find one, so it won't put one in menu.lst`
`15:01.29`	`Anthro`	`eml: "over there"?`
`15:01.30`	`jetscreamer`	`redondo: don't delete them`
`15:01.33`	`Gnea`	`redondo: they're already installed...`
`15:01.52`	`dorian-`	`yeah i'm just trying to add a hpt374 module`
`15:01.58`	`jetscreamer`	`they go there... and stay, unless you clean them out`
`15:02.05`	`Gnea`	`dorian-: why not just compile it into the kernel?`
`15:02.10`	`jetscreamer`	`(when you instal lthem i mean)`
`15:02.25`	`Gnea`	`then you won't need initrd`
`15:02.28`	`dorian-`	`well, it would still require compiling a kernel`
`15:02.33`	`Gnea`	`so?`
`15:02.39`	`jetscreamer`	`eitehr way, you're still compiling a kernel`
`15:02.43`	`Gnea`	`compiling a kernel is nothing`
`15:02.44`	`redondo`	`Gnea: I do 'apt-get install libkrb53' and it says that the package is already installed, but the deb is not inside /var/cache/apt/archives.`
`15:02.45`	`dorian-`	`gnea: i don't care about initrd`
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`15:02.59`	`dorian-`	`i just care about the fact that it isn't booting`
`15:03.09`	`jetscreamer`	`the one you did won't work it seems... you didn't compile stuff in you need, and didn't supply --initrd... you could just use the previous kernel though`
`15:03.12`	`dorian-`	`if compiling --initrd will make it boot`
`15:03.18`	`Gnea`	`redondo: right, it's already installed. the package itself doesn't have to exist on the system once the contents have been spread out over the filesystem(s)`
`15:03.27`	`jetscreamer`	`remove your frankenstein!`
`15:03.40`	`dorian-`	`i did. i'm recompiling it right now`
`15:03.42`	`sepski`	`redondo, that is not a problem, unless you make it one`
`15:03.43`	`Gnea`	`dorian-: then compile hpt374 into the kernel... just say Y instead of M`
`15:04.08`	`jetscreamer`	`say y in all the places you have to say y, or you will get that boot_error again... :)`
`15:04.22`	`Gnea`	`what jetscreamer said ;)`
`15:04.26`	`dorian-`	`heh. don't the debian patches on the kernel source tree already select everything that's supposed to be selected though?`
`15:04.37`	`dorian-`	`like, shouldn't it theoretically make an identical kernel?`
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`15:04.44`	`dorian-`	`"theoretically"`
`15:04.45`	`Gnea`	`dorian-: they do not detect what your system is, if that's what you mean`
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`15:04.54`	`jetscreamer`	`only if you have no .config already`
`15:04.54`	`dorian-`	`nono, i mean`
`15:04.58`	`eml`	`Ok, well I finally got these repositories added.. but I can't find any nvidia-glx for xorg :( Any tips`
`15:05.07`	`dorian-`	`i downloaded linux-tree-2.6.16 or whatever it was`
`15:05.18`	`jetscreamer`	`it will suck in your running config, if there's not one already in the source`
`15:05.22`	`Gnea`	`that's just stupid. if you're going to recompile the kernel, you may as well customize it`
`15:05.32`	`dorian-`	`it dumped a (purportedly patched) bzip2 file into /usr/src which i unzipped`
`15:05.32`	`jetscreamer`	`well`
`15:05.35`	`dorian-`	`which had a debian directory in it`
`15:05.37`	`dorian-`	`and a .config`
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`15:05.47`	`redondo`	`sepski: I need the packages beacause I am building an offline installation (custom) CD, and need all the debs into the CD repository`
`15:05.47`	`redondo`	`Gnea: I need the packages beacause I am building an offline installation (custom) CD, and need all the debs into the CD repository`
`15:05.47`	`Gnea`	`sounds right`
`15:05.56`	`Xteven`	`hi, what would be my best option to get openldap 2.3.25 on sarge ? backports doesn't have it`
`15:05.56`	`dorian-`	`and then i ran make-kpkg`
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`15:06.01`	`dorian-`	`and installed what that built`
`15:06.05`	`dorian-`	`and that didn't boot`
`15:06.08`	`dorian-`	`so like, shrug`
`15:06.17`	`jetscreamer`	`afaik`
`15:06.21`	`Gnea`	`redondo: then you need to get an ISO`
`15:06.36`	`dorian-`	`i dunno, when i ran make menuconfig everything was already selected as modules`
`15:06.42`	`jetscreamer`	`yes`
`15:06.48`	`dorian-`	`but i haven't built a linux kernel since about 2.4.3`
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`15:07.06`	`dorian-`	`so damned if i know if it's supposed to be like that these days`
`15:07.07`	`jetscreamer`	`dorian-: do that created the .config...and would have done what you wnated, if you had supplied --initrd`
`15:07.08`	`sepski`	`redondo, but why cant you dl from the mirrors _must_ it be from /var/cache ?`
`15:07.12`	`jetscreamer`	`s/do/so`
`15:07.15`	`jetscreamer`	`so that created...`
`15:07.20`	`Gnea`	`dorian-: well either the hd controller wasn't detected, or the wrong values were written to menu.lst`
`15:07.28`	`dorian-`	`yeah that's what i figured`
`15:07.34`	`dorian-`	`ok it just finished building`
`15:07.40`	`jetscreamer`	`make oldconfig would have done the same`
`15:07.45`	`jetscreamer`	`ceptasked you questions`
`15:07.58`	`redondo`	`Gnea: I got the iso, and also I need all the packages into the CD`
`15:08.02`	`Gnea`	`only if there were new options`
`15:08.03`	`jetscreamer`	`is cloneconfig suse specific or is it a debian thing also`
`15:08.18`	`jetscreamer`	`mount the .iso and get em?`
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`15:08.27`	`Gnea`	`redondo: the iso IS the packages on the cd.`
`15:08.36`	`jetscreamer`	`what he said`
`15:08.46`	`redondo`	`sepski: excuse me, but dont get you`
`15:09.07`	`Gnea`	`redondo: the ISO is the cd image - it has all of the deb packages that you need`
`15:09.15`	`jetscreamer`	`well...`
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`15:09.29`	`jetscreamer`	`unless you need cd's 2-7 eh`
`15:09.32`	`Gnea`	`redondo: you can mount the ISO and read it as if you burnt it to cd and mounted the cd`
`15:09.34`	`redondo`	`Gnea: no, I need a custom offline installation, including postgresql`
`15:09.43`	`jetscreamer`	`get the 2 dvd's then`
`15:09.49`	`jetscreamer`	`get them all`
`15:10.01`	`jetscreamer`	`use rsync!`
`15:10.03`	`Gnea`	`redondo: what jetscreamer said, just get the 2 dvds and be done with it.`
`15:10.13`	`jetscreamer`	`apt-get install * !!!`
`15:10.14`	`eml`	`Seriously, isn't there one proper way to get this nvidia driver running?`
`15:10.18`	`eml`	`With etch?`
`15:10.23`	`jetscreamer`	`heh`
`15:10.28`	`Gnea`	`!nvidia oneliner`
`15:10.28`	`dorian-`	`ho-kay let's see`
`15:10.29`	`dpkg`	`from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>.`
`15:10.29`	`jetscreamer`	`ah you ask`
`15:10.45`	`Gnea`	`!etch nvidia`
`15:10.46`	`dpkg`	`As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7.`
`15:10.46`	`sepski`	`eml, i just m-a a-i nvidia.`
`15:10.53`	`eml`	`sepski, Etch.`
`15:11.02`	`eml`	`Gnea, And that doesn't seem to work so great at all :P`
`15:11.12`	`sepski`	`eml on etch i just used the nvidia packages from sid.`
`15:11.14`	`Gnea`	`eml: etch sucks :P`
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`15:11.17`	`redondo`	`Gnea: I just need to know how to have all the pkg installed with apt (all ALL their dependencies) in /var/cache/apt`
`15:11.17`	`sepski`	`but that was a while ago`
`15:11.35`	`jetscreamer`	`redondo: apt-get -d install *`
`15:11.44`	`jetscreamer`	`it 'should' work`
`15:11.46`	`jetscreamer`	`:)`
`15:11.51`	`Gnea`	`redondo: wait - you want to get all of the packages of the currently running system?`
`15:11.57`	`jetscreamer`	`well it might bitch about conflicts`
`15:11.57`	`dorian-`	`ah yes, it booted`
`15:12.01`	`dorian-`	`thanks for the insight`
`15:12.14`	`Gnea`	`awesome`
`15:12.15`	`jetscreamer`	`!resinstall`
`15:12.19`	`jetscreamer`	`err`
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`15:12.21`	`dorian-`	`now if only it would pick up the same dhcp lease across boots :/`
`15:12.22`	`jetscreamer`	`!reinstall`
`15:12.22`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \| awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' \| xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install`
`15:12.24`	`redondo`	`Gnea: yes...`
`15:12.43`	`jetscreamer`	`the first, but add -d`
`15:12.51`	`jetscreamer`	`to the apt-get -y`
`15:13.17`	`Gnea`	`redondo: well this command will list every packagename that you have installed: dpkg -l \| grep ^ii \| awk '{print $2}'`
`15:13.37`	`jetscreamer`	`i like apt-get install * better though...`
`15:13.39`	`jetscreamer`	`:o`
`15:14.02`	`jetscreamer`	`i installed all the ones inthe games section on a tecra8000 laptop with a 366 p2`
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`15:14.32`	`jetscreamer`	`i was bored`
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`15:14.53`	`Gnea`	`redondo: you'd basically have to do some more digging in order to locate the packages and wget them in one fell swoop.... they're not going to end up in /var/cache/apt/archives/ by themselves... just download them from the website`
`15:15.03`	`jkp_`	`guys - saomething is clearly wrong with my box: i have apache set to spawn only two children yet 50 or more are spawned. im also seeing issues with other processes`
`15:15.13`	`jkp_`	`anyone have any idea at all what to check on the box?`
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`15:15.38`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: the config file`
`15:15.42`	`eml`	`Well since I installed the nvidia module through their package, any idea on how to remove it?`
`15:15.44`	`dorian-`	`sweet`
`15:15.47`	`jkp_`	`Gnea: its not an apache thing`
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`15:15.48`	`dorian-`	`raid array mounted`
`15:15.53`	`jkp_`	`http://paste.lisp.org/display/25044`
`15:15.58`	`dorian-`	`that only took ... way too long ;)`
`15:16.01`	`jkp_`	`thats my server-info report`
`15:16.14`	`jkp_`	`it confirms that i have it set to have a max number of 3 processes`
`15:16.18`	`Gnea`	`!ubuntu`
`15:16.18`	`dpkg`	`Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here.`
`15:16.18`	`jkp_`	`(2 children)`
`15:16.23`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: sorry, can't help you.`
`15:16.49`	`jkp_`	`ubuntu and debian are almost exacty the same! more to the point, this is linux`
`15:17.00`	`jkp_`	`people must have some idea where to look`
`15:17.01`	`Gnea`	`!based on debian`
`15:17.01`	`dpkg`	`You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>`
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`15:17.13`	`jkp_`	`how helpful`
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`15:17.19`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: please respect what it is and do not try to make useless excuses.`
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`15:17.26`	`jkp_`	`ok - i get it. ...`
`15:17.34`	`eml`	`Wow, it's building`
`15:17.34`	`jkp_`	`i hang out in here all the time and help when i can`
`15:17.46`	`Gnea`	`so?`
`15:17.46`	`jkp_`	`i dont say shit like "oh another distro - sorry i know nothing at all now"`
`15:17.50`	`jkp_`	`a distro is a distro`
`15:17.53`	`jkp_`	`linux is linux`
`15:17.54`	`Gnea`	`quit whining`
`15:17.59`	`Gnea`	`and debian is debian.`
`15:18.09`	`jkp_`	`whats the point in doing the stupid bot thibng then?`
`15:18.14`	`Gnea`	`now quit acting like a 2 year old and go ask for help in the proper forum.`
`15:18.14`	`jkp_`	`except to wind someone up?`
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`15:18.25`	`Gnea`	`hey, that's your own fault.`
`15:18.35`	`Gnea`	`and this conversation ends now.`
`15:18.37`	`jkp_`	`jesus - how aout this`
`15:18.43`	`jkp_`	`if you have nothing useful to say...DONT`
`15:18.44`	`sepski`	`jkp_, does it realy hurt to keep support a bit structured. if someone needs help about debian they look in #debian, if the need help with ubuntu they look in #ubuntu, it's quite logical to me`
`15:18.44`	`Gnea`	`how about this - i /ignore you`
`15:18.51`	`eml`	`Bah, still no driver after that one-liner`
`15:18.56`	`Coke`	`My snd-hda-intel driver is loaded before the snd-1712, yet snd-1712 commands card 0. Can I set this somehow using modutils or is this an ALSA setting?`
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`15:19.12`	`Gnea`	`eml: are you sure the X config file was set right?`
`15:19.17`	`jkp_`	`sepski: im just after general linux advice...not debian, not ubunut`
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`15:19.24`	`Gnea`	`eml: or did it not even build a module?`
`15:19.26`	`sepski`	`jkp_, thats #linux channel`
`15:19.32`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: #linux`
`15:19.32`	`jkp_`	`just people who know about linux...i assumed there would be a few in here and it would be worth mentioning`
`15:19.35`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`jkp_, #linux then ?`
`15:19.35`	`eml`	`Gnea, Well there's no driver in /usr/xorg/modules/drivers`
`15:19.36`	`jkp_`	`sepski: yes im there`
`15:19.36`	`Gnea`	`get it right.`
`15:19.38`	`jkp_`	`jesus`
`15:19.43`	`jkp_`	`im also in ubuntu`
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`15:19.49`	`Vutral`	`oh mz god`
`15:19.52`	`jkp_`	`i just asked a frigging question`
`15:19.55`	`Vutral`	`he people`
`15:19.56`	`Gnea`	`OMGWTFBBQ%*(#@$(`
`15:19.56`	`jkp_`	`forget it`
`15:20.04`	`Vutral`	`i will come back in some years`
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`15:20.08`	`eml`	`Gnea, I think it "worked".. I couldn't see any problems afterwards`
`15:20.11`	`Vutral`	`when multiarch is ready`
`15:20.12`	`redondo`	`Gnea: that could be useful, thanks, but, what I really need is to have all the postgresql dependencies into my CD. One of them, for example, is libkrb53. And when I do "apt-get install postgresql" it is installed OK, but its dependencies (libkrb53, for example) is not in my /var/cache/apt. And I will needed when doing "apt-get install postgresql" offline`
`15:20.13`	`sepski`	`jkp_, so not only do you ask in wrong channel but you crosspost too ? trying to grab attention to your problem. i'd define that as greedy.`
`15:20.14`	`Vutral`	`^`
`15:20.17`	`Gnea`	`hey, you're the one that bitched...`
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`15:20.45`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`jkp_, You should try also to ask this in #apache`
`15:20.58`	`jkp_`	`sepski: ok - whataver....i can see that people are in an ultra helpful ood today`
`15:20.58`	`jetscreamer`	`it's ##linux`
`15:20.58`	`jkp_`	`Ox0F0-0FF: have done`
`15:20.58`	`sepski`	`jkp_, yes we are,`
`15:21.07`	`jkp_`	`its not an apache thing tho`
`15:21.20`	`eml`	`Gnea, I don't have many ideas on how to proceed now :P Any tips?`
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`15:21.23`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`jkp_, People here are very helpful and friendly to answer on-topic questions`
`15:21.23`	`jkp_`	`im not stupid and i wouldnt be asking here if i hadnt tried everything else`
`15:21.30`	`Gnea`	`redondo: if there are dependencies, then they will be in that list. you'll need to locate them on the website... maybe find an ftp mirror and grab them that way.`
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`15:21.59`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: oh, you posted on the ubuntu forums?`
`15:22.01`	`jkp_`	`Ox0F0-0FF: ok, but i dont see how a linux problem, a ageneral one isnt on topic. i dunno - i hang out in a lot of irc rooms, and most places if people can help they will`
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`15:22.09`	`jetscreamer`	`jkp_: did you try #apache`
`15:22.14`	`jkp_`	`Gnea: nope - not yet`
`15:22.17`	`jkp_`	`jetscreamer: yup`
`15:22.26`	`Jemt`	`Greetz. How can I compare the size of two folders? I have two backups, and I wants to know if they are identical`
`15:22.31`	`jetscreamer`	`i rent apache, never set it up`
`15:22.39`	`jetscreamer`	`diff`
`15:22.41`	`Jemt`	`I use Gnome, but it only gives me the size in MBs`
`15:22.45`	`jkp_`	`jetscreamer: its not only apache that has the issue`
`15:22.51`	`Jemt`	`jetscreamer: Thanks`
`15:22.54`	`jetscreamer`	`!info diff`
`15:22.56`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: so you really haven't tried everything else, have you?`
`15:22.57`	`jetscreamer`	`ah oops`
`15:22.58`	`dpkg`	`diff: (File comparison utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 2.8.1-11 (sid), Packaged size: 180 kB, Installed size: 744 kB`
`15:23.10`	`jkp_`	`the box is starting multiple binds, multple baculas`
`15:23.26`	`Jemt`	`Well, I would prefer an utils that could just tell me the exact size of a filer`
`15:23.27`	`jkp_`	`Gnea: i cant be arsed to argue with you - you only seem to want to contribute by provoking me to argue with you so there is no point`
`15:23.32`	`sepski`	`jkp_, can you stop them normaly ?`
`15:23.47`	`jkp_`	`sepski: if i use the startup script they all die`
`15:23.51`	`jkp_`	`its most odd`
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`15:24.01`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: hey, if you have a problem with channel protocol, i'm sure you're aware of the /part command.`
`15:24.02`	`jetscreamer`	`ubuntu the sever.... hmnm`
`15:24.17`	`jetscreamer`	`!compare`
`15:24.17`	`dpkg`	`well, compare is something that only you can decide on, or google for it. a million people have already asked.`
`15:24.27`	`jetscreamer`	`!find compare`
`15:24.28`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package Listing of 'compare' (4): libarray-compare-perl ;; libdata-compare-perl ;; liblist-compare-perl ;; libnumber-compare-perl.`
`15:24.32`	`jkp_`	`jetscreamer: i only use it because there a lot of packages that arent in debian that i needed`
`15:24.34`	`jetscreamer`	`just a thought`
`15:24.43`	`ofer0`	`!find dic`
`15:24.44`	`jetscreamer`	`jkp_: like what`
`15:24.45`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package Listing of 'dic' (15 of 131): cbedic ;; chasen-cannadic ;; chasen-dictutils ;; dict ;; dict-bouvier ;; dict-de-en ;; dict-devil ;; dict-easton ;; dict-elements ;; dict-foldoc ;; dict-freedict-afr-deu ;; dict-freedict-cro-eng ;; dict-freedict-cze-eng ;; dict-freedict-dan-eng ;; dict-freedict-deu-eng.`
`15:24.45`	`sepski`	`jkp_, i'v never ever heard of such a thing, do you have a service cheker that restarts apaache if it's down that keeps on spawning them`
`15:24.46`	`eml`	`Well, sorry for bothering a lot, but I still need to get some help with installing the nvidia drivers. I did the one-liner, now what? :]`
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`15:24.54`	`jkp_`	`such as netatalk, mt-daapd, other things`
`15:24.59`	`jetscreamer`	`eml did you fix up xorg.conf?`
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`15:25.01`	`cydork`	`guys use /msg`
`15:25.19`	`eml`	`jetscreamer, No, but shouldn't there be a .so in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ right about now?`
`15:25.21`	`jkp_`	`jetscreamer: i dont think so, you mean like watchdog on os x`
`15:25.31`	`jetscreamer`	`eml: no idea where stuff goes`
`15:25.47`	`eml`	`jetscreamer, Well, at least that's where all the other driver goes`
`15:25.50`	`eml`	`drivers go*`
`15:25.58`	`Gnea`	`eml: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o to be precise`
`15:26.00`	`jetscreamer`	`eml: iirc it's weirdness`
`15:26.17`	`jetscreamer`	`ah`
`15:26.27`	`jkp_`	`jetscreamer: see if anything jumps out in here`
`15:26.27`	`jkp_`	`http://paste.lisp.org/display/25047`
`15:26.48`	`jkp_`	`see how there are like 10 mysqld's? and 4 bacula-dirs`
`15:26.50`	`jetscreamer`	`i believe the current etch problem is that the location for the glx and other things is changing`
`15:26.52`	`eml`	`Gnea, Ah true, there's no nvidia_drv.o though`
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`15:27.04`	`jkp_`	`it doesnt look right to me`
`15:27.05`	`jetscreamer`	`jkp... i know nothing. i just rent my servers`
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`15:27.15`	`sepski`	`jkp_, list the ppid too`
`15:27.29`	`jetscreamer`	`gtg`
`15:27.33`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: there's nothing wrong with that many child processes. apache2, however.... is that a public server?`
`15:28.01`	`jkp_`	`Gnea: no - its not, and id agree there isnt anything wrong normally but i have it set to use the threaded model and max 2 processes`
`15:28.08`	`jkp_`	`and tis the other things that worry mne`
`15:28.13`	`jkp_`	`4 bacula-dir's?`
`15:28.21`	`Gnea`	`jkp_: what's wrong with max 5 processes?`
`15:28.21`	`jkp_`	`thats wrong, there should be one`
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`15:28.34`	`raj`	`hi all`
`15:28.37`	`jkp_`	`it doesnt really matter how many i pick - its not doing what i say`
`15:28.49`	`Gnea`	`of course not, it has a mind of its own :)`
`15:28.50`	`raj`	`how to create source from rpm`
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`15:29.02`	`eml`	`jetscreamer / Gnea, so there's no luck in using nvidia's driver? I kinda need to either get this working or reinstall to another distro before tomorrow`
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`15:29.16`	`raj`	`how to create rpm to source`
`15:29.21`	`Gnea`	`eml: i'm really not sure with etch - i run sid or sarge`
`15:29.27`	`Gnea`	`raj: alien`
`15:29.44`	`maikol`	`is there anything special i need to do if im installing on an intel core duo processor`
`15:29.48`	`raj`	`Gnea: create rpm to source`
`15:29.50`	`eml`	`Gnea, Well, I used gentoo before, and I like the idea of using rather new packages, but I suppose that's not the case when using sid or sarge?`
`15:29.56`	`Gnea`	`raj: alien.`
`15:30.01`	`Gnea`	`!alien`
`15:30.01`	`dpkg`	`well, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/`
`15:30.06`	`cparker`	`quick question... can't find the answer for the life of me. I have python 2.3 on my system, and I want to replace it with 2.4. How do I do this?`
`15:30.11`	`raj`	`tk Gnea`
`15:30.31`	`Gnea`	`eml: uhm, sid is extremely up to date - so much that it breaks sometimes`
`15:30.45`	`cparker`	`If I try to just install python2.4, apt just installs it alongside python2.3`
`15:30.48`	`eml`	`Gnea, Okay, and you've got the nvidia driver working? :P`
`15:31.01`	`Gnea`	`eml: of course`
`15:31.02`	`Gnea`	`eml: on multiple systems`
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`15:31.04`	`eml`	`Gnea, By using the one-liner? :P`
`15:31.08`	`Gnea`	`yes.`
`15:31.17`	`eml`	`Ok, I'm going for a reinstall then :P`
`15:31.19`	`dn4`	`Anyone mind sending me their resume so that I can get an idea how to craft mine?`
`15:31.21`	`Gnea`	`ok :)`
`15:32.18`	`maikol`	`cparker why is that a problem. if you need python2.4 in a script, add #/usr/bin/python2.4 to the begining`
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`15:32.31`	`jkp_`	`sepski: hey man - thanks for the tip - thats given me some interesting output`
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`15:32.57`	`cparker`	`i have a whole slew of pre-written scripts that need python2.4...`
`15:33.07`	`cparker`	`there's no way to upgrade one package with another?`
`15:33.08`	`Adrian949`	`so how do I fix apache2 php5 in debian?`
`15:33.13`	`mhall`	`If you have a dedicated server and you download stuff onto it using BitTorrent etc. do the hosting companies get pissed off?`
`15:33.25`	`abrotman`	`Adrian949: how is it broken?`
`15:33.29`	`Gnea`	`Adrian949: don't run it?`
`15:33.39`	`maikol`	`cparker: you could change the symlink that points to python2.3 to point to python2.4 but thats not recommended`
`15:33.46`	`jkp_`	`sepski: check this out`
`15:33.46`	`jkp_`	`http://paste.lisp.org/display/25048`
`15:34.03`	`Adrian949`	`heh there's nothing at localhost/phpinfo`
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`15:34.19`	`Adrian949`	`after I isntalled a bunch of php5 stuff`
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`15:36.39`	`sepski`	`jkp_, so you have 2 apache serveres each with 25 threads is that not exactly as you configured ?`
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`15:36.57`	`jkp_`	`threads? arent those processes?`
`15:37.09`	`sepski`	`ps can also show threads afaik`
`15:37.12`	`dn4`	`Anyone have an example of a computer geek resume?`
`15:37.12`	`dusr`	`hi`
`15:37.13`	`sepski`	`but i am not an expert`
`15:37.27`	`dn4`	`i'mma gonna apply to a local pc store to see if I can get a job part time while going ot college`
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`15:37.47`	`Adrian949`	`dn4: yes but it's encrypted`
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`15:37.53`	`dusr`	`when i start an application i get the error: Fontconfig error: "conf.d", line 1: no element found. Anybody knows how to solve it?`
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`15:38.13`	`dn4`	`Adrian949, hmmm arg`
`15:38.14`	`laurens`	`oh, freenode global notices are used as gentoo release notices now`
`15:38.32`	`laurens`	`and here i was, thinking global notices should have sth to do with the actual irc server`
`15:38.51`	`sepski`	`jkp_, easily tested edit the threads to 10 and see if it changes after restart`
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`15:39.01`	`Adrian949`	`dn4: give them a cd or thumb drive with the resume and a pgp key ;)`
`15:39.05`	`dn4`	`laurens, I know cruel propaganda machine aye?`
`15:39.12`	`mne`	`just a question: ~4 month ago there were bug reports, that libasound2 has compiled in the wrong path for the alsa.conf file. a workaround was to do a symlink from /home/jordi/svn/... to the alsa.conf file. Now, after 4 month, the bug seems to be still unfixed in libasound2 1.0.11-7. so wtf, is this really still unfixed ???`
`15:39.34`	`dn4`	`Adrian949, ok sounds technical and fun hahaha`
`15:39.36`	`laurens`	`dn4: seriously. "You may be intrested to know.." is what it starts with`
`15:39.48`	`laurens`	`dn4: if i care about gentoo releases ill join #gentoo k thx`
`15:39.51`	`sepski`	`mne, bug number ?`
`15:40.35`	`dn4`	`laurens, for the next debian release there must be more propaganda on the entire server notice!`
`15:40.37`	`dn4`	`hehehe`
`15:40.51`	`dn4`	`Adrian949, So can I get a copy of your resume for an idea?`
`15:41.03`	`eml`	`Gnea, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to download though? :O`
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`15:41.08`	`mne`	`sepski, 369364. but there is a whole bunch of other bug reports (see bugs.debian.org) that are caused by the same issue`
`15:41.09`	`JoeZee`	`How do I list all packages I have installed?`
`15:41.46`	`sepski`	`dpkg -la \| grep ^ii`
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`15:42.11`	`eml`	`Gnea, Would love some guidance for it :O`
`15:42.53`	`mne`	`sepski, I'm on unstable and just dist-upgraded. after deleting the mentioned symlink i was wondering that that bug seems to be still unfixed.`
`15:43.14`	`dusr`	`:(`
`15:43.38`	`eml`	`And another question: Will the nvidia-driver (and the one-liner) work on unstable? I'm not sure at all what sid is :)`
`15:43.59`	`beardy`	`eml: Then you shouldn't be running it.`
`15:44.10`	`laurens`	`dn4: I suggest we go advertise the release of Etch in #gentoo. obviously, they are on the server and thusly should be interested in all debian releases.`
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`15:44.28`	`dn4`	`laurens, I agree 100%`
`15:44.41`	`beardy`	`laurens: Why sink to that level?`
`15:44.43`	`dn4`	`laurens, also we should adversite for every single open source release that happens`
`15:44.49`	`beardy`	`...`
`15:44.57`	`dn4`	`Like OM or Ingen`
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`15:45.06`	`dn4`	`of Ardour, audacity, and the likes there of`
`15:45.31`	`dn4`	`I wonder how much flack the person who posted that notice took`
`15:45.50`	`laurens`	`dn4: Slightly more than your average asbestos suit can take.`
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`15:46.12`	`cydork`	`wht happened? did we get another global for gentoo release??`
`15:46.46`	`dn4`	`I think gentoo paid off the server people for advertisement`
`15:46.48`	`laurens`	`cydork: [Global Notice] Hi all! You may be interested to learn that Gentoo`
`15:47.31`	`dusr`	`nobody knows how to solve the fontconfig problem?`
`15:47.51`	`cydork`	`!greenhouse`
`15:47.52`	`dpkg`	`Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian!`
`15:48.02`	`mhall`	`lol i love that factoid`
`15:48.10`	`mhall`	`it's so crackbrained`
`15:48.12`	`mhall`	`yet hilarious`
`15:48.14`	`cydork`	`hehe me too`
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`15:52.32`	`abrotman`	`Adrian949: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ?`
`15:53.06`	`streuner_`	`but there is another one of my favorite ones, abrotman's "wb" ;-)`
`15:53.15`	`abrotman`	`hi`
`15:53.22`	`abrotman`	`wait .. my wb ?`
`15:53.24`	`abrotman`	`from raseac ?`
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`15:53.28`	`streuner_`	`sure`
`15:53.32`	`abrotman`	`<raseac> HAHA .. Look .. That loser, streuner, couldn't stay off IRC.`
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`15:53.44`	`streuner_`	`haha`
`15:53.48`	`krenin`	`I did a dist-upgrade and now my system is kinda screwed up, is there an easy way to go back?`
`15:53.56`	`abrotman`	`not really .. explain the problem`
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`15:54.31`	`Led_Zeppelin`	`is it possible to get a file create date?`
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`15:55.02`	`krenin`	`abrotman: well I have testing installed and I didn't change my sources, i just did a regular apt-get dist-upgrade thinking that it would be a more thorough upgrade, and now I have lots of things that won't install anymore due to version number problems`
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`15:55.18`	`abrotman`	`krenin: try it again`
`15:55.46`	`krenin`	`abrotman: what, the dist-upgrade? it completed, and it also removed a lot of stuff which now won't reinstall`
`15:55.54`	`abrotman`	`such as ?`
`15:56.03`	`krenin`	`such as xorg`
`15:56.21`	`abrotman`	`apt-get install x-window-system-core .. what does it say ?`
`15:56.29`	`abrotman`	`!info xorg etch`
`15:56.43`	`dpkg`	`xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB`
`15:56.50`	`abrotman`	`or that`
`15:57.16`	`krenin`	`depends on xorg but it is not going to be installed`
`15:57.37`	`abrotman`	`and if oyu try to install xorg .. what does it say ?`
`15:58.18`	`krenin`	`depends on a lot more packages but not going to be installed...`
`15:58.35`	`krenin`	`is it bad to do a dist-upgrade without changing the apt config to a newer debian release`
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`16:00.54`	`krenin`	`abrotman: any ideas?`
`16:01.49`	`Anthro`	`fireba11: I am successfully installing with the 2.6.16 kernel d-i image you pointed me to. Thanks!`
`16:01.50`	`Kinks`	`apt-get -f install =(? I have no clue and haven't used debian in ages :D`
`16:01.52`	`pluesch0r`	`evening. i've got sata problems on a msi k8n neo2 platinum when running sarge and booting with kernel 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8. sata1 and sata2 are working nicely, but when i attach a disk to sata3, the kernel tells me that that device is slow and that i should be patient. booting then continues, however the disk will never get noticed. furthermore, syslog gets flooded with loads of "sata_nv: primary device added" and "sata_nv: primary`
`16:03.17`	`eml`	`beardy, I want to run something that'll give me quite a new system and the ability to use the nvidia driver, that's about it.`
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`16:05.18`	`krenin`	`abrotman: to get it to work, would I have to change my apt config to unstable instead of testing?`
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`16:07.30`	`g333k_work`	`Hi, what kernel for a laptop AMD sempron?`
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`16:08.14`	`cydork`	`!k7`
`16:08.14`	`dpkg`	`k7 is, like, the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips.`
`16:08.23`	`cydork`	`g333k_work: ^^`
`16:08.34`	`g333k_work`	`cydork, thanks`
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`16:09.49`	`MatBoy`	`Do you all still love me ???`
`16:10.17`	`krenin`	`how do you bring up the menu that the debian install goes through where you can select major package groups?`
`16:10.29`	`Fox`	`dselect`
`16:10.35`	`Fox`	`oups`
`16:10.39`	`petemc`	`tasksel`
`16:10.39`	`krenin`	`is there a special option`
`16:10.41`	`krenin`	`oh tasksel thanks`
`16:10.44`	`krenin`	`:)`
`16:10.46`	`Fox`	`that's it :)`
`16:10.58`	`Fox`	`hum, gonna sleep, bye :)`
`16:11.36`	`cydork`	`MatBoy: noooooooo`
`16:11.40`	`krenin`	`hey that seems to be working`
`16:11.48`	`cydork`	`MatBoy: and never did :)`
`16:12.07`	`krenin`	`abrotman: tasksel seems to be going through with putting X back on by my selecting the "desktop environment" entry, will have to wait a few minutes to see if it works`
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`16:12.25`	`pluesch0r`	`so .. noone enduring nforce3 chipsets in here? sigh.`
`16:12.40`	`MatBoy`	`cydork, damn... I know for sure it was you in the darkroom :p`
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`16:14.13`	`MatBoy`	`I hope they have bulbs again next time.... playing russian roulette in the dark is not that nice`
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`16:15.12`	`cydork`	`MatBoy: hehe :0`
`16:15.23`	`cydork`	`s/0/)/`
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`16:16.00`	`MatBoy`	`:D`
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`16:21.38`	`TheSentinel`	`hello, how can i reverse a package (downgrade), let's say... mysql-server-5.0 to mysql-server-4.1? would a simple apt-get install do this?`
`16:22.12`	`RichiH`	`you can delete it with --purge and reinstall`
`16:22.19`	`RichiH`	`back up data and configs, though!`
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`16:22.54`	`TheSentinel`	`ah no other way? doing backup of my mysql db which is huuuge is not easy`
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`16:23.30`	`mosgreg`	`is the ELF format used on every platmorm as the executable format?`
`16:23.56`	`proppy`	`Hi, where do the value returned by db_get, in postinst.script come from ?`
`16:23.58`	`RichiH`	`TheSentinel: think not, sorry`
`16:24.11`	`ph00`	`I should set up a vpn client, I have username and password, and the address to the server, I installed openvpn, I'm trying to read howtos and turoials but I still can't figure out where I should start...`
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`16:27.28`	`streuner_`	`RichiH: moin`
`16:27.38`	`TheSentinel`	`RichiH thanks`
`16:28.31`	`cydork`	`ph00: why are you goin through openvpn if you want just a client?`
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`16:29.06`	`RichiH`	`oi`
`16:29.09`	`dhuv`	`hello all`
`16:29.16`	`ph00`	`hm. I just found out that I should probably use pptp (or ..?)`
`16:29.21`	`dhuv`	`does anybody have experience with squid?`
`16:29.41`	`ph00`	`I don't actually know a thing about vpn's this is the first time I try to set up one`
`16:29.55`	`streuner_`	`#squid 28 2.6.STABLE2 \| Squid proxy server \| www.squid-cache.org \| FAQ: wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq \| Wiki: wiki.squid-cache.org \| Read: workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc \| Bot info: workaround.org/f=squid \| Paste bin: squid.pastebin.com \| Ask and waiting please`
`16:30.08`	`streuner_`	`dhuv: ^^^^`
`16:30.18`	`ph00`	`anyways, I've found a nice tutiorial on sourceforge, maybe that will do...`
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`16:33.28`	`dhuv`	`I currently use filtering in squid which access a third party for authorization, its working well but I want to have certain ips unfiltered`
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`16:34.07`	`dhuv`	`does anybody know how I can do this in the config? I can seem to find any info how to do this when you are performing filtering`
`16:34.09`	`dn4`	`Adrian949, how do you do the pgp key`
`16:34.09`	`dn4`	`haha`
`16:34.31`	`Adrian949`	`dn4: windows or unix?`
`16:35.30`	`dn4`	`linux`
`16:35.44`	`TheSentinel`	`Richi do you think a apt-get install package=older_version will work when i change the priority of the old package?`
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`16:38.05`	`Anthro`	`lspci tells me that I have an unknown VGA card with a device number of 2772. Any suggestions on what driver to use for xorg?`
`16:38.14`	`Anthro`	`It's Intel.`
`16:38.18`	`Bushmills`	`ph00: i'd not use pptp`
`16:38.31`	`Bushmills`	`ph00: had a look at, for example, openvpn?`
`16:38.43`	`Bushmills`	`http://openvpn.net/`
`16:38.57`	`Adrian949`	`dn4 you can most likely make one from command line`
`16:38.58`	`ph00`	`yes I did`
`16:39.10`	`dn4`	`Adrian949, I have a pdf file of my resume`
`16:39.21`	`dn4`	`Adrian949, how do you make this pgp key`
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`16:40.18`	`Bushmills`	`ph00: just reading back, seen that you did. "not knowing where to start": try here: http://openvpn.net/howto.html`
`16:40.20`	`ph00`	`anyway, I found a nice gui that will write those lines for me (too many years on windows... it's gonna take time before I get used to use the commands by miself). looks like I'm on track now (I hope so anyway)`
`16:40.31`	`Adrian949`	`dn4: you got to make a pair of keys`
`16:40.42`	`ph00`	`bushmills I'll check that out thx`
`16:40.57`	`Adrian949`	`you can check out http://www.gnupg.org/`
`16:41.11`	`Bushmills`	`ph00: i simply followed these instruction, and it worked for me`
`16:41.22`	`ph00`	`k`
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`16:41.31`	`Adrian949`	`you encrypt it with your priv key and they decrypt it with your pub (public) key you givethem`
`16:41.57`	`shay`	`Adrian949, no`
`16:42.16`	`shay`	`Adrian949, you encrypt it with the public key of those that you want them to decrypt it`
`16:42.26`	`shay`	`Anthro, and they decrypt it with they private keys`
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`16:42.30`	`shay`	`err, Adrian949`
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`16:42.48`	`Adrian949`	`shay: shhh ;)`
`16:42.59`	`shay`	`Adrian949, uh?`
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`16:43.18`	`Adrian949`	`sorry I'm just a heartless cold upset old man`
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`16:43.34`	`shay`	`that doenst like to get schooled? ;)`
`16:43.42`	`Adrian949`	`my "friends" you to give me incorrect directions`
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`16:44.04`	`incorrect`	`i do what?`
`16:44.18`	`incorrect`	`leave me out of this`
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`16:45.36`	`Adrian949`	`I'm dumb`
`16:45.37`	`Adrian949`	`never mind`
`16:45.42`	`arsenip`	`howdy ;)`
`16:45.45`	`Zaib`	`guys i need to display progress bar for file copying how can i do that under debian ?`
`16:45.54`	`Adrian949`	`I have to set up a chroot jail and I'm failing`
`16:46.01`	`arsenip`	`um, dont flame me, but can anyone help with knoppix / mounting/andor using usb stick ?:p`
`16:46.18`	`Tauro`	`Zaib: I've only seen something like this using wget`
`16:46.20`	`shay`	`arsenip, sure, dudes at #knoppix`
`16:46.24`	`Ronin`	`arsenip: im sure #knoppix can`
`16:46.37`	`arsenip`	`by that i meant, anyone in here willing or able.`
`16:46.38`	`arsenip`	`:)`
`16:46.48`	`Adrian949`	`no`
`16:47.17`	`shay`	`arsenip, AFAIK Knoppix detects removable storage devices automatically`
`16:47.22`	`Zaib`	`Tauro: i guess debian has a utility called "dialog" and its "gauge" fucntion . But i dont know how to wrap my file copyin script into "Dialog --gauge" so that i will diplay a progress bar`
`16:47.35`	`blondie`	`arsenip: I'm sure #knoppix can`
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`16:47.45`	`blondie`	`and your name is very rude ;.;`
`16:47.52`	`arsenip`	`no, it isnt. :/`
`16:48.17`	`blondie`	`arse is a naughty word :o`
`16:48.18`	`shay`	`blondie is a female? a linuxchix?`
`16:48.51`	`Adrian949`	`debian chick`
`16:49.03`	`Adrian949`	`I've never seen a girl use linux and not use debian`
`16:49.13`	`blondie`	`shay: most certainly not`
`16:49.18`	`shay`	`well my sister uses Ubuntu`
`16:49.18`	`Tauro`	`Zaib: I've never used such a thing but`
`16:49.18`	`Adrian949`	`and I've seen quite a few linux chicks`
`16:49.21`	`Tauro`	`man dialog says`
`16:49.33`	`Tauro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:49.33`	`Tauro`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:49.34`	`Adrian949`	`Ubuntu might as well be debian`
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`16:49.54`	`Siddharta`	`hello`
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`16:50.19`	`Siddharta`	`i've installed etch yesterday and i can't find why i have no sound`
`16:50.20`	`shay`	`Adrian949, Ubuntu is not Debian`
`16:50.38`	`cydork`	`Siddharta: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner`
`16:50.38`	`shay`	`Siddharta, do you get any error?`
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`16:50.44`	`sfb`	`Hello everyone.`
`16:50.45`	`shay`	`Siddharta, does /dev/dsp exists?`
`16:50.49`	`m1ke_l`	`can you do a net install of unstable?`
`16:51.22`	`Adrian949`	`shay: it's debian based is it not?`
`16:51.29`	`Ronin`	`Adrian949: but not debian,`
`16:51.35`	`shay`	`Adrian949, not really`
`16:51.46`	`Siddharta`	`shay: http://paste.debian.net/11993`
`16:51.55`	`m1ke_l`	`hello sfb`
`16:52.06`	`shay`	`Adrian949, it has its own philosophy and tools, way too diferent from debian's`
`16:52.06`	`Adrian949`	`well 've never seen a girl use slackware, gentoo, or BSD`
`16:52.07`	`sfb`	`Does anyone know which package the old /bin/mail binary is in?`
`16:52.07`	`sfb`	`Or has it moved?`
`16:52.12`	`Adrian949`	`I'll take your word for it`
`16:52.15`	`Siddharta`	`shay: yes it does exist`
`16:52.17`	`Adrian949`	`what about Kubunto?`
`16:52.17`	`MindCr`	`Siddharta, install alsa-base and execute alsaconf`
`16:52.20`	`shay`	`sfb, apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <something>`
`16:52.23`	`Ronin`	`Adrian949: still not debian`
`16:52.26`	`Ronin`	`!based on`
`16:52.26`	`dpkg`	`You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>`
`16:52.37`	`shay`	`Adrian949, Kubuntu is a distribution based on Ubuntu`
`16:53.07`	`ofer0`	`http://abutbul.com/images/misc/bug-feature.jpg`
`16:53.34`	`shay`	`LOL abutbul`
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`16:53.54`	`Adrian949`	`fluffy`
`16:53.56`	`arsenip`	`lol`
`16:54.05`	`shay`	`Siddharta, try to play something..`
`16:54.17`	`shay`	`Siddharta, open a console and use the "play" command with a wav file`
`16:54.18`	`arsenip`	`im actually trying to create a usb stick for installing debian`
`16:54.29`	`Siddharta`	`shay: i ran alsaconf ,i said everything is working well but the speaker icon has disappear`
`16:54.31`	`arsenip`	`but i seem to require zcat, which i dont have, unless i use a livecd`
`16:54.35`	`Siddharta`	`and i have o sound`
`16:54.40`	`Adrian949`	`arsenip: I want to boot off my 4gig flash drive`
`16:54.43`	`Siddharta`	`i restart kde`
`16:54.49`	`Bushmills`	`arsenip: create a usb stick ... do you carve those out of stones?`
`16:55.03`	`shay`	`Siddharta, maybe you're not allowed to use the audio devices (not enough permissions)`
`16:55.14`	`shay`	`Siddharta, as root; adduser <your username> audio`
`16:55.18`	`shay`	`tell me what it shows you`
`16:55.47`	`Siddharta`	`i'm already member of that group`
`16:55.53`	`ofer0`	`Siddharta,`
`16:55.58`	`ofer0`	`try to play sound as root`
`16:56.00`	`arsenip`	`Bushmills, silicon skills`
`16:56.01`	`arsenip`	`:p`
`16:56.21`	`Bushmills`	`arsenip: why don't you install zcat, if you don't have it? it comes with gzip`
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`16:56.33`	`arsenip`	`i dont have a linux install at the moment`
`16:56.42`	`arsenip`	`its a long story, but cut short, i kicked my computer, and screwed it :)`
`16:56.55`	`shay`	`Siddharta, ls -la /dev/dsp`
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`16:57.05`	`shay`	`sorry without the a`
`16:57.10`	`Bushmills`	`if i did that, i'd use solid state in future too`
`16:57.12`	`shay`	`useless anyway`
`16:57.15`	`arsenip`	`modprobe usb-storage didnt seem to bring anything up`
`16:57.29`	`cydork`	`Siddharta: does alsamixer works?`
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`16:57.44`	`arsenip`	`and i cant go into any /dev/sda* drives`
`16:57.54`	`arsenip`	`anywhere else a usb disk would be?:x`
`16:57.56`	`Siddharta`	`crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-11-05 19:51 /dev/dsp`
`16:58.15`	`shay`	`Siddharta, tried "play"?`
`16:58.23`	`webben`	`is there a python equivalent of dh-make-perl?`
`16:58.32`	`Bushmills`	`arsenip: hde...hdh`
`16:58.37`	`arsenip`	`ty`
`16:58.45`	`Siddharta`	`# alsamixer`
`16:58.45`	`Siddharta`	`alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device`
`16:59.18`	`Adrian949`	`what would /path/to/chroot-shell be?`
`16:59.26`	`cydork`	`Siddharta: something somewhere went wrong :0`
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`17:00.32`	`Siddharta`	`http://paste.debian.net/11994 <- shay`
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`17:00.53`	`klync`	`i just switched to my motherboard to one with SATA, and now my old IDE drive which was hda shows up as hde ... can i change their load order in grub? i seem to recall this being possible with lilo`
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`17:03.50`	`abrotman`	`krenin: get it worked out ?`
`17:04.12`	`Vladi`	`hi, what is the best way to give someone sudo permissions to a single init.d script to start stop restart etc..?`
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`17:05.55`	`Zesty`	`Hi everyone, is there a client or a configuration option which will allow sftp to only transfer files which do not exist?`
`17:06.56`	`klync`	`Vladi: i've got these lines in my /etc/sudoers file so that programmers can restart tomcat:`
`17:06.59`	`klync`	`User_Alias TOMCAT_KICKERS = admin,programmer1,programmer2`
`17:07.01`	`klync`	`TOMCAT_KICKERS bottom = (root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/tomcat4`
`17:07.25`	`klync`	`Vladi: where 'bottom' is the hostname of the machine`
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`17:07.41`	`marcz908`	`how do i find out which version of debian i am running?`
`17:07.59`	`Vladi`	`klync: memcacheadmin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/memcached, /usr/share/memcached/scripts/start-memcached, /sbin/start-stop-daemon, /usr/bin/memcached`
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`17:08.04`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: dpkg -l libc6`
`17:08.07`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`17:08.10`	`Zesty`	`Vladi, cat /etc/debian_version`
`17:08.27`	`Vladi`	`Zesty: its sarge`
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`17:08.47`	`arsenip`	`are there any windows apps that can do the same as zcat? so i can put the debian boot.img.gz on my usb stick in windows?`
`17:08.48`	`Zesty`	`Sorry, I meant that for marcels_`
`17:08.56`	`Zesty`	`*marcz908`
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`17:09.07`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: what does it say ?`
`17:09.08`	`marcz908`	`i figured, thanks`
`17:09.48`	`marcz908`	`cat /etc/debian_version says i am running 3.6 the dpkg command you told me said ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone`
`17:10.06`	`marcz908`	`how do i find out if i am running sarge, or one of the others?`
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`17:10.29`	`Siddharta`	`shay: i restart kde and i have no sound too`
`17:10.30`	`abrotman`	`that is sarge`
`17:10.36`	`Siddharta`	`on etch`
`17:10.41`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: you mean it says 3.1 .. right ?`
`17:10.58`	`marcz908`	`yes, 3.1, thanks`
`17:11.04`	`rodelrod`	`hi guys. I'm a newbie. How do you change the text mode keyboard layout after installation?`
`17:11.13`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: that is sarge`
`17:11.17`	`marcz908`	`thank you`
`17:11.20`	`abrotman`	`!tell rodelrod about keymap`
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`17:13.14`	`marcz908`	`also, I am trying to figure out why, when i type crontab -e, crontab displays the system wide crontab file, the one that has the username column, but when i add a line with a username, it doesnt work, when i get rid of the username, it does work`
`17:13.40`	`botox`	`how can i remove almost all of my packages automaigcally using dpkg or apt?`
`17:13.51`	`botox`	`*/automagically`
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`17:14.05`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: what is the line ?`
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`17:14.15`	`abrotman`	`botox: why would you want to ?`
`17:14.25`	`klync`	marcz908: if you edit /etc/crontab (say, but a comment in there), does the edited file show up in `crontab -e`? i wonder if /etc/crontab somehow got loaded in as root's (personal) crontab
`17:14.26`	`stew`	`botox: why not use aptitude?`
`17:14.41`	`botox`	`done a very risque dist upgrade.. i am not familiar with aptitude`
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`17:15.02`	`botox`	`i need a command really`
`17:15.09`	`marcz908`	`abrotman: well, when i edit /etc/crontab directly, and put in a username field, it works, i discovered there is a separate file, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root, which is the file i'm editing with crontab -e, that contains the same lines as the /etc/crontab file has, just the username column doesnt work`
`17:15.19`	`abrotman`	`botox: there is no single command .. you can start with low level libraries .. but you must be careful`
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`17:15.25`	`rodelrod`	`abrotman: thanks, I'll google for keymap`
`17:15.32`	`abrotman`	`rodelrod: eh .. the bot told you`
`17:15.34`	`abrotman`	`!keymap`
`17:15.34`	`dpkg`	`To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx`
`17:15.36`	`seeker`	`Heyas. 2 Yrs ago, SCSI CDROM went south. Few months back I bought an IDE DVD drive, cause the SCSI DVDs were $1300.00 ( Yes, I did check pricewatch ). Need to rebuild my system, and installer is not seeing SCSI HDs. Any ideas on what I should do?`
`17:15.38`	`marcz908`	`i want to know, if i get rid of the lines that are already in /etc/crontab in roots regular crontab file, will it cause any problems?`
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`17:15.55`	`botox`	`abrotman, its no biggie with regards to damage, this machine is not production`
`17:15.58`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: are they the run-parts for cron.daily etc ?`
`17:15.58`	`stew`	`abrotman: what did i miss?`
`17:16.06`	`abrotman`	`stew: red sox suck? :)`
`17:16.06`	`jetx`	`niss me?`
`17:16.08`	`rodelrod`	`abrotman: now he did:) thanks`
`17:16.11`	`cratylus`	`hey all, any advice on setting screen resolution?. it ws fine nad then i ran some updates and now it's low`
`17:16.18`	`abrotman`	`rodelrod: he should have told you in /msg`
`17:16.19`	`klync`	`marcz908: no, they're two separate files... i don't get how the contents of /etc/crontab made their way into root's (personal) crontab`
`17:16.30`	`stew`	`abrotman: that started before i dropped off the net though`
`17:16.36`	`jetx`	`i advise you to fix it?`
`17:17.01`	`abrotman`	`stew: you guys have net again ?`
`17:17.06`	`stew`	`yeah`
`17:17.09`	`abrotman`	`stew: i know what you missed .. you fell out of #-ot !!!`
`17:17.10`	`rodelrod`	`abrotman: humm I'm a newbie on irc too...`
`17:17.13`	`stew`	`its very latent though`
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`17:17.20`	`abrotman`	`stew: ack .. so did mrs`
`17:17.35`	`stew`	`abrotman: we get a second connection which should be better in a week`
`17:17.37`	`rodelrod`	`abrotman: found it`
`17:17.41`	`stew`	`so i get to play with split access`
`17:17.46`	`marcz908`	`abrotman: yes, they are the run parts, in roots regular crontab file`
`17:17.57`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: that's the system crontab .. don't remove those run-parts`
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`17:18.10`	`abrotman`	`stew: you guys didn't spring for an OC connection ?`
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`17:18.41`	`sunos___`	`hola`
`17:18.45`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`17:18.45`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`17:18.50`	`marcz908`	`abrotman: but why are the run-parts in roots regular file in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root, AND in /etc/crontab? furthermore, the username column isnt working for lines I add to the regular file, so why would the run-parts work in that file?`
`17:19.07`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: they should only be in /etc/crontab`
`17:19.13`	`sunos___`	`sorry, i am tiping in the other window :-S`
`17:19.25`	`botox`	`has anybody used debfoster?`
`17:19.34`	`abrotman`	`deborphan might be useful`
`17:19.40`	`beardy`	`!anyone`
`17:19.40`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
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`17:19.51`	`sunos___`	`lalalal`
`17:20.02`	`sunos___`	`a`
`17:20.11`	`botox`	`spongebong hemppants`
`17:20.21`	`sunos___`	`i don't entender ircII`
`17:20.24`	`sunos___`	`:-S`
`17:20.25`	`marcz908`	`abrotman: so i can get rid of the run-parts scripts in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root as long as i keep them in /etc/crontab?`
`17:20.33`	`beardy`	`!irssi`
`17:20.33`	`dpkg`	`somebody said irssi was the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package`
`17:20.53`	`stew`	`abrotman: unfortunately not. we're going to see if we like load balancing a cheap cable connection and a cheap dsl connection better than having one expensive dsl connection`
`17:21.18`	`seeker`	`How do I get an install CDROM running from an IDE CDROM drive to recognize SCSI harddisks? I have no other disks on system, IDE cdrom, 4 SCSI HDs.`
`17:21.19`	`abrotman`	`stew: one ingoing one out?`
`17:21.31`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: make a backup first .. but yes .. should be fine`
`17:21.40`	`abrotman`	`seeker: is this etch or sarge?`
`17:21.46`	`stew`	`abrotman: yeah but the way this is feeling now, i'll send interactive packets over dsl`
`17:21.48`	`seeker`	`Etch.`
`17:22.06`	`seeker`	`abrotman: Testing image.`
`17:22.10`	`abrotman`	`seeker: you might want to ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net`
`17:22.21`	`seeker`	`abrotman: beaut, thanks man.`
`17:22.29`	`abrotman`	`seeker: you're saying it sees IDE but not SCSI at all right ?`
`17:22.40`	`abrotman`	`seeker: make sure you know the model of your controller ...`
`17:22.45`	`marcz908`	`abrotman: last question, any idea why these run-parts commands are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root in the first place? is this just a mistake by debian?`
`17:22.48`	`Deformative`	`Can anyone help me find a window manager simular to openbox, just one that allows transparency?`
`17:22.51`	`stew`	`abrotman: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 14.141/305.933/1165.619/432.265 ms, pipe 2 <- thats one of the shell boxes i spend a lot of time on, 1165 is no good`
`17:22.52`	`seeker`	`abrotman: yes, it boots from the CDROM, but does not recognize the SCSI disks.`
`17:22.52`	`abrotman`	`marcz908: possibly`
`17:22.56`	`Siddharta`	`does someone could help to retrieve sound`
`17:23.09`	`abrotman`	`stew: you think? :)`
`17:23.09`	`abrotman`	`stew: sneakernet might be better`
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`17:23.18`	`Siddharta`	`when i was on sid sound ran perfectly`
`17:23.22`	`Siddharta`	`very strange`
`17:23.37`	`abrotman`	`Deformative: i'm not sure any of them offer true transparency .. openbox is similar to fluxbox and blackbox`
`17:23.43`	`stew`	`abrotman: nah, i haven't been exercising`
`17:23.54`	`abrotman`	`stew: you've been moving .. i think oyu're excused`
`17:24.19`	`cratylus`	`hey abrotmn, any idea about a resolution thta decided to go low after debian updates ran? I went to desktop->preferances->screen resolution and now i only get 640x480. before the updtes it was at 1024x768`
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`17:24.24`	`abrotman`	`stew: i haven't been on my bike since i went to MV .. the tops of my feet were badly sunburnt .. and they're still peeling .. probably best not to try biking like that :)`
`17:24.31`	`Deformative`	`abrotman, I know, but at least where the window boarder is, have it show through to the backrground.`
`17:24.33`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: nvidia ?`
`17:24.56`	`abrotman`	`Deformative: well .. when i ran blackbox .. i used Eterm .. but it's not true transparency`
`17:24.57`	`JoeZee`	`How do I make that annoying menubar at the top of the gnome-terminal disappear PERMANENTLY, instead of having to tell it to hide each time?`
`17:24.59`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: uh, not a clue. lemme check the xorg.conf file`
`17:25.10`	`Deformative`	`Because openbox can not do that for some reason, and fluxbox, well, fluxbox just feels like it was programmed by a monkey.`
`17:25.11`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: you don't konw what hardware you have ?`
`17:25.20`	`cratylus`	`not my box`
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`17:25.35`	`abrotman`	`s/harrass/fling poo at/`
`17:25.47`	`stew`	`abrotman: i rode my bike from the old apartment to the new, that's about all i've done in 2 months, that was a 3.5 block trip`
`17:25.47`	`cratylus`	`i could probably boot on the windows and find out :)`
`17:26.12`	`abrotman`	`stew: eh .. that's not much .. i thougt you were at the pool`
`17:26.24`	`abrotman`	`stew: of course .. the worst part for me is that it will soon be way too cold for me to do it`
`17:26.26`	`stew`	`abrotman: yeah, i haven't done that in a while either`
`17:26.27`	`Deformative`	`I was thinking fvwm, but fvwm just feels soo old.`
`17:26.29`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: seems like it's some intes integrated chipset`
`17:26.36`	`abrotman`	`stew: slacker .. soon you'll look Ronin if you keep that up`
`17:26.42`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: intel ?`
`17:26.45`	`Deformative`	`Then I wanted to try waimea, but I can not seem to get it to work.`
`17:26.46`	`cratylus`	`ya`
`17:26.52`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: try to reconfigure X`
`17:26.55`	`abrotman`	`!drxx cratylus`
`17:26.55`	`dpkg`	`cratylus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`17:27.21`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: will do`
`17:27.32`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: i suspect you want the i810 driver .. just a hunch though`
`17:27.46`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: and i usually find it easier to select only one resolution until i know i have it owrking`
`17:28.28`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: that's a pretty popular set so you're probably right`
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`17:28.30`	`cratylus`	`i only have one in mind`
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`17:28.30`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: lspci might help`
`17:29.23`	`miro`	`Hi All ! how can i remove a user form my system ?`
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`17:29.37`	`abrotman`	`userdel or deluser`
`17:29.41`	`abrotman`	`depending on your needs`
`17:31.44`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: yup, some intel brand: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)`
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`17:31.52`	`abrotman`	`i810 should be fine`
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`17:32.09`	`cratylus`	`a> does someone could help to retrieve sound`
`17:32.09`	`cratylus`	`<abrotman> stew: you think? :)`
`17:32.09`	`cratylus`	`<abrotman> stew: sneakernet might be better`
`17:32.09`	`cratylus`	`*** Anthro has left channel #debian because ("Client exiting")`
`17:32.09`	`cratylus`	`<Siddharta> when i was on sid sound ran perfectly`
`17:32.09`	`cratylus`	`<Siddharta> very strange`
`17:32.11`	`PepperBob`	`hello all!`
`17:32.37`	`PepperBob`	`does anyone know how to anser to this list?`
`17:32.37`	`PepperBob`	`http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg446440.html`
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`17:32.47`	`cratylus`	`sorry guys`
`17:32.53`	`cratylus`	`slip of the mouse`
`17:35.09`	`cratylus`	`abrotman; can you send that dpkg command again?`
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`17:36.46`	`cydork`	`cratylus: /msg dpkg drxx`
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`17:41.25`	`abrotman`	`cydork: thank you`
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`17:41.59`	`cydork`	`abrotman: huh?`
`17:42.15`	`abrotman`	`for giving him that command :)`
`17:42.19`	`cydork`	`abrotman: oh that no np :)`
`17:42.20`	`cratylus`	`cydork: thnks f for the command from before`
`17:42.48`	`cydork`	`abrotman: i could see that you were not around :P`
`17:43.04`	`abrotman`	`cydork: yay coding!`
`17:43.32`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: though sometimes when there's a lot of questions you seem ubiquitous`
`17:44.37`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: i do?`
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`17:45.28`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: from before i counted you answering about 4 or 5 people at a time`
`17:45.54`	`abrotman`	`oh .. it happens :)`
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`17:46.02`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: they used to laugh at me!`
`17:46.44`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: now they come to you`
`17:47.05`	`abrotman`	`eh .. sometimes :)`
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`17:48.52`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: after doing the reconfigure, do i need to restart x?`
`17:49.06`	`abrotman`	`yep`
`17:49.23`	`cratylus`	`uh how do you do thta if it's already started?`
`17:49.56`	`kd3`	`how can i access my NTFS harddrive?`
`17:50.20`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: gdm/xdm/kdm ?`
`17:50.44`	`kd3`	`its mounted and i can access it, but can't delete and change files permission`
`17:50.45`	`cratylus`	`i have both gnome and kde`
`17:50.49`	`cratylus`	`so take your pick`
`17:50.51`	`abrotman`	`kd3: nor should you`
`17:50.56`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: which one did you use to login ?`
`17:51.07`	`cratylus`	`ah looked like gdm`
`17:51.14`	`kd3`	`abrotman: what are you talkin about?`
`17:51.19`	`abrotman`	`/etc/init.d/gdm restart`
`17:51.32`	`abrotman`	`kd3: you have to mount ntfs RW .. which is dangerous`
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`17:52.03`	`kd3`	`!NTFS`
`17:52.03`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs`
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`17:53.39`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: hmmm, i find myself in the command line :)`
`17:53.42`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: check the X log ... /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`17:53.42`	`cratylus`	`ha, nice`
`17:53.55`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: i ran it again and it worked! and the resolution is as i want`
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`17:53.55`	`cratylus`	`weird that i had to run it twice`
`17:53.55`	`J_P`	`hi all`
`17:53.56`	`J_P`	`hey all, are there some graphical app for pppoeconf ?`
`17:55.57`	`cratylus`	`abrotman: thanks a bunch`
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`17:56.27`	`afra_`	`is running etch on production stupid?`
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`17:57.01`	`lontra`	`afra_: probably`
`17:57.09`	`lontra`	`afra_: use sarge`
`17:57.46`	`afra_`	`lontra: yeah i have that now, but some packages are kinda old on it, such as perl, python, etc`
`17:57.48`	`Ronin`	`afra_: and backports if you need somethign newer`
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`17:58.12`	`lontra`	`afra_: etch should be released around december 2006`
`17:58.21`	`lontra`	`afra_: but it's still 'testing'`
`17:58.24`	`lontra`	`not stable`
`17:58.52`	`afra_`	`okay i guess i can hold off...the box is running smoothly`
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`17:59.30`	`afra_`	`so let me get this straight. after etch becomes stable, unstable becomes etch? does it run this way?`
`17:59.32`	`lontra`	`i personally would wait or use backports as Ronin suggested`
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`18:01.08`	`lontra`	`afra_: unstable is always sid`
`18:01.08`	`lontra`	`afra_: i'm not sure what will become testing`
`18:01.09`	`lontra`	`afra_: etch will become stable, and sarge will become old stable`
`18:01.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats the difference in these two kernels? linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-686 linux-image-2.6.16-2-686`
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`18:01.24`	`cydork`	`LinuxNIT: one has xen support, other one doesn't`
`18:01.33`	`afra_`	`lontra: so when etch becomes stable, what do i mention in the sources.list? Just keep the name 'stable' there (not 'sarge' as that won't be stable anymore, correct)?`
`18:01.43`	`lontra`	`afra_: exactly`
`18:01.55`	`lontra`	`afra_: if you want to always run 'stable' just leave it as stable`
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`18:03.14`	`lontra`	`afra_: if you want to continue to run sarge after etch has been released change 'stable' to 'sarge'`
`18:03.18`	`afra_`	`but after the release, i could put 'etch' as the name and it would be the same as saying 'stable' (until of course, another stable release is out)`
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`18:03.29`	`lontra`	`afra_: exactly`
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`18:04.20`	`afra_`	`lontra: thanks - it's clearer now in my mind...`
`18:04.27`	`lontra`	`np`
`18:04.32`	`abrotman`	`cratylus: you're welcome`
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`18:04.47`	`PepperBob`	`does anyone know how to prevent a module from being loaded?`
`18:04.59`	`cydork`	`PepperBob: /msg dpkg blacklist`
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`18:06.32`	`PepperBob`	`cydork: what's that /msg doing? sry.. may sound stupid.`
`18:06.39`	`debuntu`	`i accidently installed ubuntu and it gave me cerebral palsy :(`
`18:06.58`	`lontra`	`:/`
`18:07.00`	`abrotman`	`tell #ubuntu`
`18:07.17`	`debuntu`	`i did .. for some reason they saw it as inflammatory`
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`18:07.25`	`debuntu`	`like i wanted CP`
`18:07.33`	`PepperBob`	`cydork, yeah got it. sry`
`18:08.13`	`J_P`	`hey all, are there some graphical app for pppoeconf ?`
`18:08.46`	`PepperBob`	`cydork, when i do this will that definitely prevent e.g. uhci_hcd from being load?`
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`18:12.58`	`jade`	`folks how can i forward requests to a specific port through another open port?`
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`18:12.59`	`oomph-work`	`is there anything out there similiar to Cpanel for debian? I want a package for a small development webserver`
`18:13.00`	`oomph-work`	`anyone know of one?`
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`18:13.45`	`lehel`	`hello`
`18:14.13`	`oomph-work`	`hi`
`18:14.14`	`lehel`	`can i specify two IPs in /interfaces on the same eth0?`
`18:14.32`	`Tallu`	`eth0:1 or something.. dont remember :)`
`18:14.45`	`oomph-work`	`ifconfig eth1`
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`18:15.15`	`nzkthx`	`Who is this sanchez and why is he dirty`
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`18:15.33`	`exs`	`Hello. I'd like to try firefox beta 2, but I do not want it to replace my firefox 1.5.`
`18:16.40`	`abrotman`	`use stow .. or checkinstall`
`18:16.52`	`abrotman`	`lehel: yes`
`18:17.18`	`abrotman`	`jade: iptables`
`18:18.02`	`vitriol`	`hey i'm having trouble getting my mouse to work...tried /dev/input/event2 and a couple others with no luck`
`18:18.08`	`vitriol`	`it's a wireless usb mouse`
`18:18.12`	`vitriol`	`any suggestions?`
`18:18.18`	`vitriol`	`latest daily build of etch`
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`18:18.59`	`ribnitz`	`hello all`
`18:19.25`	`ribnitz`	`How do I get all those nice accented characters in X?`
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`18:24.01`	`DimmuR`	`I've strange problem with gnome-menu - when i click on it it starts blinking - I've searched for solution and found only disable animation (in gconf-editor) or reconfigure menu-xdg - both didnt work any ideas?`
`18:24.01`	`abrotman`	`is menu installed ?`
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`18:24.52`	`DimmuR`	`gnome-menus 2.14.3-1 and libgnome-menu2 (verion the same)`
`18:24.52`	`oomph-work`	`what is a better choice testing or unstable?`
`18:25.08`	`oomph-work`	`stable is a bit old for what im trying to do...`
`18:25.08`	`DimmuR`	`after 30-40 minutes menu stops blinking and all working fine`
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`18:26.05`	`DimmuR`	`oomph-work, you can always make backup, and try testing if it's enough then stay at this lvl if not again backup and go to unstable`
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`18:28.22`	`duaneb`	`should I do debian, or ubuntu?`
`18:28.31`	`abrotman`	`that's up to you`
`18:28.32`	`duaneb`	`I heard that debian doesn't have amd64 support...`
`18:28.35`	`abrotman`	`lies!~`
`18:28.40`	`abrotman`	`!tell duaneb about amd64`
`18:29.18`	`oomph-work`	`DimmuR: what is the best method to backup before doing an apt-get dist-upgrade?`
`18:30.01`	`DimmuR`	`oomph-work, the easiest is using partimage (full copy of your partitions) - i used to use it after boot from knoppix`
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`18:31.26`	`DimmuR`	`abrotman, i finally found solution for menu: removing /etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu symlink...`
`18:31.37`	`abrotman`	`uhm .. that seems bad .. but ok`
`18:31.51`	`DimmuR`	`it was broken symlink`
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`18:32.18`	`oomph-work`	`ahh ok`
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`18:32.23`	`abrotman`	`DimmuR: is this in sid ?`
`18:32.31`	`DimmuR`	`yes`
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`18:32.37`	`oomph-work`	`DimmuR: would you happen to know of any good debian based distros designed for webserving?`
`18:32.40`	`DimmuR`	`its bug 381453`
`18:33.25`	`DimmuR`	`oomph-work, have no idea i just use debian stable @ work`
`18:33.32`	`abrotman`	`doh!`
`18:33.33`	`oomph-work`	`k`
`18:33.39`	`abrotman`	`oomph-work: use sarge`
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`18:41.24`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`18:41.24`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`18:42.52`	`shut-`	`hi`
`18:43.11`	`shut-`	`who can help me`
`18:43.17`	`cydork`	`!ask`
`18:43.17`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`18:43.21`	`RichiH`	`that depends on your problem`
`18:43.41`	`shut-`	`i got a problem`
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`18:43.54`	`cydork`	`shut-, read what dpkg said ^^`
`18:43.54`	`shut-`	`i cant get the grapics to show on debian`
`18:44.33`	`shut-`	`i got a problem i cant get the grapics to show`
`18:44.55`	`cydork`	`shut-, what is grapics??`
`18:45.03`	`abrotman`	`X i would assume eh ?`
`18:45.27`	`shut-`	`well when i boot debian i get a gray screen`
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`18:45.43`	`cydork`	`shut-, ohh graphics :)`
`18:45.48`	`abrotman`	`did you install a window manager ?`
`18:45.55`	`shut-`	`no`
`18:45.55`	`abrotman`	`or something like gdm/xdm/kdm ?`
`18:46.02`	`abrotman`	`shut-: what window manager/Desktop would you like ?`
`18:46.15`	`shut-`	`huh`
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`18:46.24`	`abrotman`	`gnome? kde? something else ?`
`18:46.34`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`18:46.34`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`18:46.39`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: like, something better?`
`18:46.45`	`shut-`	`well any will do`
`18:46.47`	`njkt`	`if he doesn't know what a window manager is he'd likely to better with gnome (being all windows similar and what not)`
`18:46.48`	`zinx`	`shut-: sounds like you're using twm`
`18:46.49`	`tarzeau`	`haha http://www.yks.org/ManoftheYear.jpg`
`18:47.22`	`shut-`	`gnome`
`18:47.23`	`shut-`	`yea`
`18:47.24`	`abrotman`	`shut-: go to http://xwinman.org/ .. pick one and tell us which you'd like to try .. i'll tell you that most go with gnome/kde/xfce or one of the *box`
`18:47.33`	`abrotman`	`shut-: apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system`
`18:47.34`	`cydork`	`tarzeau, i wonder if they are still toghether :P`
`18:47.50`	`shut-`	`let me try it in a min`
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`18:55.10`	`exs`	`I downloaded firefox 2.0, beta 2. How do I install it?`
`18:55.48`	`cusco`	`just extract it`
`18:55.53`	`cusco`	`and run the executable file`
`18:55.56`	`cusco`	`./firefox`
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`18:57.51`	`tarzeau`	`it sucks`
`18:57.56`	`tarzeau`	`tried links2 yet?`
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`18:58.05`	`cusco`	`tarzeau: why does it sucks?`
`18:58.21`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: because it's still the same broken download manager`
`18:58.45`	`tarzeau`	`crashes as often, and is slow, the download unknown filetype sucks too (it should be just displayed(`
`18:58.51`	`tarzeau`	`as well as email link handling sucks`
`18:59.00`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: same shit, different version number`
`18:59.11`	`tarzeau`	`the user interface is the worst i've ever seen`
`18:59.12`	`cusco`	`yes same shit`
`18:59.18`	`tarzeau`	`bullshit`
`18:59.20`	`cusco`	`I never seen download manager breaking`
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`18:59.32`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: it's too slow, hangs when the server is slow`
`18:59.49`	`cusco`	`unknown file types its according to the system mime insn't it?`
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`19:00.13`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: if i click .diff or .diff.gz files, i want them shown not downloaded`
`19:00.19`	`cusco`	`email link handling is alright. uses evolution by defualt but that's GNOME's settings`
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`19:00.59`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: what if i don't have evolution? i must patch the source to make it do what i want?`
`19:01.04`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: come on! please`
`19:01.15`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: how long does this crap exist now? and i don't see any improvement`
`19:01.30`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: like openoffice, like gnome, like kde`
`19:01.36`	`tarzeau`	`different names, different colors, same shit`
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`19:02.12`	`riot`	`tarzeau: switch to ion :) then you get rid of all such problems.`
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`19:02.29`	`tarzeau`	`riot: i've got amiwm and windowmaker. but we were talking browsers`
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`19:02.42`	`tarzeau`	`riot: do you really think i USE gnome or kde?`
`19:02.50`	`riot`	`tarzeau: most people do. :)`
`19:02.51`	`pickcoder`	`heh.. our loading dock is a swimming pool right now`
`19:02.56`	`tarzeau`	`riot: i'm not most people`
`19:03.00`	`riot`	`tarzeau: me neither.`
`19:03.21`	`cusco`	`this is just "I wanna be different, I wanna be hardcore" guy. but that's allright! thas why we are free to choose`
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`19:03.29`	`cusco`	`between for instance, links and firefox`
`19:03.33`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: bullshit`
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`19:03.48`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: i'm not the i wanna be different bullshit hardcore guy`
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`19:04.05`	`riot`	`tarzeau: wtf is amiwm? Did you misspell? apt-cache doesn't know it`
`19:04.12`	`tarzeau`	`riot: non-free`
`19:04.20`	`riot`	`yuck..`
`19:04.21`	`tarzeau`	`riot: but only dfsg non-free`
`19:04.25`	`tarzeau`	`riot: amiga window manager`
`19:04.37`	`tarzeau`	`riot: it's really nice, www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png`
`19:04.46`	`riot`	`yea, i just found it.,`
`19:04.54`	`riot`	`nice thing for all the amiga-fans out there`
`19:05.08`	`cusco`	`ok you're not but you sound like one`
`19:05.17`	`cusco`	`jumping about just everything...`
`19:05.26`	`riot`	`huh.. i did see an amiga 1000 do real mean demoscene-magick some weeks ago.. hardcore impressive, that was.`
`19:05.27`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: no i'm not, you just don't know`
`19:05.37`	`tarzeau`	`riot: nice you know demoscene :)`
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`19:05.53`	`riot`	`Saw it at evoke06`
`19:06.01`	`tarzeau`	`riot: have you seen this one? http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=14532`
`19:06.06`	`tarzeau`	`riot: been at mekka?`
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`19:06.25`	`tarzeau`	`riot: 't was fun http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/mekka/mekka.jpg heh`
`19:06.48`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: i'm this sort of guy, if you even ever heard/seen it: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/`
`19:06.59`	`riot`	`tarzeau: don't think so`
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`19:07.31`	`cusco`	`tarzeau: what are you trying to prove?`
`19:07.33`	`riot`	`tarzeau: Haven't been at sooo many demosceneparties. I'm more into hacking useful software ;)`
`19:07.45`	`tarzeau`	`cusco: nothing`
`19:07.49`	`cusco`	`good`
`19:08.07`	`cusco`	`three horays for you and sorry for the inconvinence`
`19:08.19`	`riot`	`tarzeau: yea, mekka looks good. quite a bit larger than evoke. where is it?`
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`19:08.41`	`tarzeau`	`riot: it used to be in fallingbostel, between hamburg/hannover during 98-2003 or so`
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`19:09.01`	`tarzeau`	`riot: it had lots of amiga/c-64 too. mekka was different and symposium was so, and the got together during that time`
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`19:09.24`	`tarzeau`	`riot: haven't been to much at some either, just dialogos and buenzli. know #demoscene ?`
`19:10.19`	`riot`	`tarzeau: no...`
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`19:10.55`	`eml`	`Does anyone here have experience with Audigy4-cards and Alsa? :) I get no sound at all, and to some of you: I've got the NVIDIA-driver running.`
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`19:11.24`	`tarzeau`	`eml: which alsa driver version?`
`19:11.28`	`tarzeau`	`eml: which linux kernel version exactly?`
`19:12.27`	`eml`	`Linux zen 2.6.16-2-k7 #1 Fri Aug 18 19:48:42 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux`
`19:12.34`	`eml`	`tarzeau, You can have a look if you want to.`
`19:12.43`	`kyaneos`	`hi`
`19:12.45`	`cydork`	`eml, /msg dpkg alsa one-liner`
`19:12.49`	`tarzeau`	`eml: no just tell me your alsa version`
`19:12.49`	`kyaneos`	`i have a problem`
`19:12.49`	`eml`	`It worked before, but I only chose standard packages this install`
`19:12.50`	`cusco`	`doesn't alsaconf recognises your soundcard?`
`19:12.55`	`tarzeau`	`kyaneos: we can't read mind`
`19:13.02`	`kyaneos`	`some konqueror fonts are not anti-aliased`
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`19:13.23`	`eml`	`It does, I'm probably just missing something, since it worked before with a lot of packages installed (debian installer took care of it)`
`19:13.26`	`eml`	`tarzeau, No idea`
`19:13.27`	`tarzeau`	`eml: tried ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.12.tar.bz2 ?`
`19:13.49`	`tarzeau`	`eml: i've had several audio cards not work with debian audio drivers, so used latest kernel/latest alsa drivers, worked like a champion`
`19:13.56`	`tarzeau`	`eml: except some broken audio software that didn't`
`19:13.58`	`eml`	`tarzeau, This one does, though`
`19:16.13`	`eml`	`tarzeau, Are you sure I won't break the system if I try that driver? :P I used module-assistant to install the module before, and I guess debian installer used the same driver?`
`19:16.26`	`tarzeau`	`eml: no idea, if you break it. worked fine for me`
`19:16.42`	`tarzeau`	`eml: debian kernels are pretty old, i'd go with www.kernel.org`
`19:16.52`	`eml`	`I use etch though :)`
`19:17.00`	`eml`	`So it's not really that old`
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`19:17.13`	`tarzeau`	`eml: yes it is`
`19:17.13`	`eml`	`I've had it working with older kernels :P`
`19:17.13`	`tarzeau`	`eml: even sid can be old at times`
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`19:17.24`	`tarzeau`	`eml: then you should remember how you got it to work?`
`19:17.28`	`eml`	`And well, it worked with _this_ kernel before`
`19:17.51`	`eml`	`tarzeau, With debian it worked out-of-the-box (I will not reinstall) and with gentoo I just compiled it when I made the kernel`
`19:18.15`	`eml`	`I've waited 20 minutes for a friend to get the nvidia-driver working, lots of ugly hacks, I can't ask him to re-do that`
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`19:18.48`	`tarzeau`	`eml: i only use the video non-free binary driver from nvidia`
`19:18.54`	`tarzeau`	`eml: and alsa for sound`
`19:18.59`	`eml`	`I can't do that though`
`19:19.06`	`tarzeau`	`eml: why not?`
`19:19.11`	`eml`	`Because I need the 3d-driver :P`
`19:19.18`	`eml`	`Ah`
`19:19.32`	`tarzeau`	`that's fine, me too`
`19:19.34`	`eml`	`Sorry, I misunderstood you. I use it too, but they had to do some really ugly hacks to get it to compile stuff`
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`19:19.42`	`tarzeau`	`really?`
`19:19.46`	`eml`	`Yes, really`
`19:19.51`	`tarzeau`	`i do it like this: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver`
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`19:19.57`	`tarzeau`	`install and forget`
`19:20.06`	`tarzeau`	`same with ati/fglrx-driver`
`19:20.07`	`riot`	`can anyone tell me, why freenet6-package is in (old-)stable but not in testing or unstable?`
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`19:20.25`	`tarzeau`	`riot: nobody maintains it anymore`
`19:21.24`	`eml`	`I use a newer one though... One thing that was causing trouble was the difference between gcc-versions and, according to the one who fixed it, there were just something wrong with that driver :P`
`19:22.08`	`eml`	`tarzeau, Do you use etch too?`
`19:22.29`	`klync`	`i just switched to my motherboard to one with SATA, and now my old IDE drive which was hda shows up as hde ... can i change their load order in grub? i seem to recall this being possible with lilo (i.e. switch the drives' bios numbers)`
`19:22.34`	`tarzeau`	`eml: sarge and sid`
`19:22.40`	`tarzeau`	`eml: etch is the last thing i'd use`
`19:22.54`	`tarzeau`	`eml: maybe to fix very very broken stuff in sid (but this hasn't happened for like 3 years at least)`
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`19:23.22`	`tarzeau`	`klync: what doesn't work anymore? not just update /etc/fstab ?`
`19:23.52`	`klync`	`tarzeau: well, i didn't want to do that (tho I know it would work).... i'd rather have the new kernel with sata see the ide drive as hda`
`19:24.19`	`klync`	`tarzeau: ... changing fstab will break the old, non-sata kernel, for one thing`
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`19:25.20`	`tarzeau`	`klync: true`
`19:25.33`	`tarzeau`	`klync: forget it`
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`19:26.33`	`klync`	tarzeau: well, it is a good suggestion.... i'm saving it as a last resort.... i vaguely recall a command (i am guessing for lilo since i've been reading `info grub` thoroughly, that was like `switch hd0 hd1` ... mainly used when booting windows iirc
`19:26.35`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`I use etch, I find it a good compromise between recent packages (which I need since I maintain a package) and somehow more stability than sid`
`19:26.41`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`Added to which, when doing some upgrade, sometimes something breaks which allows to learn some more`
`19:26.43`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`Etch is definitly the good compromise for me`
`19:26.51`	`abrotman`	`you realize etch will relese and become stable .. right?`
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`19:27.06`	`JordiGH`	`Hehehe...`
`19:27.13`	`tarzeau`	`klync: that's not for this\`
`19:27.23`	`tarzeau`	`klync: really how the kernel calls the devices is a kernel thing`
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`19:27.30`	`tarzeau`	`klync: the bootloader has its own names for it`
`19:27.32`	`mz_`	`hmm, a ver si alguien me puede hechar una mano...`
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`19:27.57`	`klync`	`tarzeau: but it also depends on how the bios initializes them, as i recall from my old ata-133 controller`
`19:27.57`	`pickcoder`	`abrotman awakes`
`19:28.06`	`abrotman`	`pickcoder: i've been here awhile`
`19:28.15`	`pickcoder`	`oh...`
`19:28.25`	`pickcoder`	`abrotman becomes active`
`19:28.35`	`tarzeau`	`klync: probably yes`
`19:28.38`	`pickcoder`	`slight change in verbage makes a difference`
`19:28.40`	`enveezee`	`<sarcasm>Oh joy now we can program the greatest apps ever they are working on Qt for Java</sarcasm>`
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`19:29.11`	`pickcoder`	`I'm having a joyful time watching the rain contiuously fill the loading dock`
`19:29.13`	`enveezee`	`the two things I hate most joining forces`
`19:29.16`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i'm adding these http://www.supertux.info/pmlvls.php`
`19:29.18`	`klync`	`tarzeau: map (hd0) (hd2)`
`19:29.21`	`klync`	`:)`
`19:29.28`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and there's a forked supertux for non-opengl poor computers`
`19:29.32`	`klync`	`http://www.gatago.com/linux/redhat/install/4429240.html`
`19:29.36`	`tarzeau`	`klync: neat , and that does what you want?`
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`19:29.49`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you don't do gtk/wx apps do you ?`
`19:29.53`	`klync`	`tarzeau: i'll let you know once i reboot ;) ... but i think so, yes`
`19:29.56`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: no way`
`19:30.00`	`abrotman`	`ok .. nm then`
`19:30.06`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: is it a game?`
`19:30.12`	`abrotman`	`nope .. way cooler`
`19:30.18`	`enveezee`	`I've never had any problems using the regular supertux without opengl.. theopen gl is an _option_`
`19:30.18`	`tarzeau`	`i can do gtk, but please no wx`
`19:30.31`	`abrotman`	`eh .. i can't remember which it is`
`19:30.37`	`tarzeau`	`haha`
`19:30.40`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you could fix warzone!`
`19:30.56`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: i was messing with roadnav a few weeks ago . it's pretty interesting .. but i can't remember if it's gtk or wx`
`19:31.15`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i've got enough other packages to fix, and i want to build this:`
`19:31.23`	`Maquiavelo`	`Greetings, in Woody/Sarge I could run the apt-setup to setup the apt repositories, but said command is not available in Etch. Any idea why? Or was it replaced?`
`19:31.23`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: //hyvatti.iki.fi/~jaakko/pic/pong/`
`19:31.25`	`enveezee`	`I just came across this OpenTTD game last night but after talking to the developers it seems like its a long way from being ready for debian`
`19:31.44`	`enveezee`	`officially anyhow`
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`19:32.24`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: did you try to modprobe -r your sound modules to reproduce the briquolo bug ?`
`19:32.34`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: no, but i'm home and in linux now`
`19:32.43`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and i'm listening to great music with opencubicplayer`
`19:32.47`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: did you try?`
`19:32.49`	`JordiGH`	`Strange problem: when I'm logged in as me, "groups" by itself only displays my username (or presumably my personal group), but /etc/groups has me listed in the right groups. A related symptom is that I can't access files and devices for which supposedly I have group permissions.`
`19:32.58`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: you lazy bum didn't even help me to downgrade its bug`
`19:33.04`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: actually, i downgraded it now :)`
`19:33.08`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and it's in testing`
`19:33.11`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: remind me when i'm at home .. but i won't be home until sunday again`
`19:33.25`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: not needed anymore, i've got other rc bugs now :)`
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`19:33.36`	`Maquiavelo`	`Greetings, in Woody/Sarge I could run the apt-setup to setup the apt repositories, but said command is not available in Etch. Any idea why? Or was it replaced?. Thank you!`
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`19:34.14`	`JordiGH`	`However, "groups jordi" does list me in the right groups.`
`19:34.27`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: if you remind one evening .. i'll try to reproduce it`
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`19:34.40`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: after how many hours now?`
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`19:35.01`	`JordiGH`	`Also, I think there's a bug in kdvi. Best submit a bug report about that, I guess. Someone put an index out of range somewhere. :-/`
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`19:35.14`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: not tonight .. sunday/monday would work`
`19:35.27`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i'll try to remind you sunday`
`19:35.41`	`abrotman`	`or send a memo :)`
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`19:36.16`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i'm away fri/sat over night sat too, so no idea if i will remember`
`19:36.28`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`19:37.05`	`Maquiavelo`	`Greetings, in Woody/Sarge I could run the apt-setup to setup the apt repositories, but said command is not available in Etch. Any idea why? Or was it replaced?. Any help would be appreciated, Thank you ;)`
`19:37.09`	`abrotman`	`again?!`
`19:37.13`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: haha you know what cracks me up? http://www.berlios.de/images/berlios_small_pie_e.jpg`
`19:37.17`	`abrotman`	`Maquiavelo: do it manually`
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`19:37.32`	`Maquiavelo`	`I cannot memorize all the Debian mirrors`
`19:37.54`	`Maquiavelo`	`Plus, if apt-setup was a great tool, why was it removed?`
`19:37.59`	`tarzeau`	`Maquiavelo: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/`
`19:38.01`	`SubStack`	`I want to hang a debian mirror on my wall`
`19:38.03`	`Maquiavelo`	`A step backwards?`
`19:38.20`	`tarzeau`	`SubStack: hehe :)`
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`19:38.30`	`tarzeau`	`SubStack: i'd rather have a debian mirror doormat`
`19:38.39`	`tarzeau`	`a furry one`
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`19:38.42`	`Maquiavelo`	`what do I add for sources?`
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`19:38.50`	`tarzeau`	`Maquiavelo: which country?`
`19:38.59`	`cydork`	`!sources.list`
`19:38.59`	`dpkg`	`[sources.list] something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian <etch/sid> main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code.`
`19:39.03`	`cydork`	`Maquiavelo, ^^`
`19:39.06`	`Maquiavelo`	`Venezuela, but I should use mirrors in the us.`
`19:39.19`	`Maquiavelo`	`no, not in sources.list, for source repositories`
`19:39.22`	`Soeki`	`Maquiavelo from quake.ve?`
`19:39.25`	`Maquiavelo`	`Yes.`
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`19:39.38`	`JordiGH`	`Maquiavelo: Same repository, change deb to deb-src.`
`19:39.45`	`Maquiavelo`	`Ah right ;)`
`19:40.27`	`JordiGH`	`!maint grub`
`19:40.32`	`dpkg`	`grub: Grub Maintainers <pkg-grub-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>`
`19:40.41`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: they badly need help`
`19:40.43`	`JordiGH`	`I hope you brought many knives...`
`19:40.49`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: especially update-grub needs a major rewrite`
`19:40.53`	`Shadowcat`	`JordiGH: grub is BROKEN in unstable`
`19:40.59`	`Shadowcat`	`tarzeau: I just experienced that`
`19:41.05`	`Shadowcat`	`you can't install to unstable anymore`
`19:41.06`	`asg`	`Shadowcat: welcome to unstable`
`19:41.11`	`Soeki`	`Maquiavelo it's been ages, since i don't go there.`
`19:41.19`	`Maquiavelo`	`Ok`
`19:41.19`	`Shadowcat`	`in other words`
`19:41.22`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: tried grub2?`
`19:41.25`	`pickcoder`	`lilo to the rescue`
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`19:41.27`	`Shadowcat`	`don't upgrade to the latest grub in unstable?`
`19:41.32`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: my main problem is it removes my "lock" entries`
`19:41.40`	`Shadowcat`	`tarzeau: etch beta3 doesn't have grub in it`
`19:41.43`	`Shadowcat`	`err grub2`
`19:41.45`	`Soeki`	`sps u dont care. heh.`
`19:41.53`	`Shadowcat`	`tarzeau: is it safe to upgrade to it from testing though?`
`19:41.53`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: who cares? nobody uses etch until it's released`
`19:42.01`	`Shadowcat`	`or will it hose the install?`
`19:42.03`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: find out :)`
`19:42.16`	`Shadowcat`	`don't make me hunt you down!`
`19:42.18`	`asg`	`Shadowcat: the latest grub in unstable works just fine here. Have you checked the bts?`
`19:42.28`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: i'm near zurich, you're invited`
`19:42.37`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: tried debian gnu/kfreebsd or hurd once again?`
`19:42.38`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Seriously, any idea how many Debian users and how are they distributed among the distros?`
`19:42.51`	`tarzeau`	`!dff`
`19:42.51`	`dpkg`	`debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap, or http://www.frappr.com/debian`
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`19:42.55`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: try that url`
`19:43.02`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`Hi!`
`19:43.03`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it has a link to the link without debian-`
`19:43.10`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it didn't get updates like for two years`
`19:43.16`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: bring me cookies and i'll update it`
`19:43.22`	`JordiGH`	`Debian Friend Finder... I think there's a pornsite with a similar name.`
`19:43.28`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: url?`
`19:43.29`	`asg`	`Shadowcat: if it's a known issue in the bts, grab the previous package from snapshot.debian.net and put grub on hold until it's fixed.`
`19:43.29`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`I am trying to up the X using Ati 3D Rage AGP 2.x but it is imposible`
`19:43.40`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: but know !popcon ?`
`19:43.46`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Know it, yes.`
`19:43.47`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: more than 14000 debian users`
`19:43.53`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: and www.bsdstats.org ?`
`19:43.54`	`Soeki`	`Edwin_Quijada try to move to x.org`
`19:44.05`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Nope, didn't know that one.`
`19:44.07`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`Soeki: I am xorg`
`19:44.29`	`pickcoder`	`945.. heh`
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`19:44.40`	`PepperBob`	`alright. blacklisting modules seem to work - check this on vm.`
`19:44.42`	`Soeki`	`that card works even on xfree`
`19:44.43`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`I load the kdm fine but when I in I get a blank desktop`
`19:45.21`	`PepperBob`	`does blacklisting have the same effect like rmmod?`
`19:45.21`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`I have a compaq armada`
`19:45.21`	`tarzeau`	`someone's experienced with kexec ?`
`19:45.21`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: that's not an x server issue then`
`19:45.21`	`asg`	`PepperBob: it prevents the modules from being loaded in the first place`
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`19:45.21`	`Soeki`	`have you tryed lower resos?`
`19:45.26`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`this is my first try with linux`
`19:45.30`	`asg`	`tarzeau: #kernelnewbies perhaps?`
`19:45.35`	`PepperBob`	`asg: yes I know - but in the end it's the same, isn't it?`
`19:45.41`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: in kdm, select session type failsafe`
`19:45.49`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`moshii: I suposse not`
`19:46.00`	`asg`	`PepperBob: no since rmmod(1) implies that the module was first loaded before being removed.`
`19:46.01`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: once you login you should get a nice terminal window`
`19:46.05`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Wow, that's a really low number of Debian users on the .nu website and on Frappr. Surely there's more users than that?`
`19:46.12`	`tarzeau`	`asg: wow almost forgot that one, didn't they move to another server?`
`19:46.17`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`moshii: OK`
`19:46.19`	`asg`	`PepperBob: the end result is the same (i.e., the blacklisted module is not loaded in the kernel)`
`19:46.24`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: do you have a terminal?`
`19:46.26`	`PepperBob`	`asg: ah yeag`
`19:46.26`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it's at least twice or thrice what's there now`
`19:46.31`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: but i didn't come to update it`
`19:46.33`	`PepperBob`	`asg, that's what i wanted to know...`
`19:46.45`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`moshii: yes ! I open another session`
`19:46.47`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: who'd know about the frappr one anyways?`
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`19:46.55`	`asg`	`tarzeau: oh, maybe. Not sure about that.`
`19:47.02`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: So about 5000 Debian users worldwide? :-/`
`19:47.02`	`PepperBob`	`asg: that should solve hardware problems... hopefully. thanks for the info!`
`19:47.10`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: try typing startkde in there... it should load kde up :)`
`19:47.11`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: no atleast 15000`
`19:47.15`	`asg`	`PepperBob: you're welcome`
`19:47.16`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: see popcon.debian.org`
`19:47.33`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`moshii: No! it doesnt work`
`19:47.44`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`I get the blank desktop too`
`19:47.46`	`asg`	`tarzeau: try joining #kernelnewbies or ##kernelnewbies. I can't get a /list or /topic but they are around. Dunno if anyone is on though.`
`19:47.48`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`using startx`
`19:47.53`	`JordiGH`	`15,000... And 6 point something billion people and counting... WE SHALL OVERCOME!`
`19:48.01`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: but kdm works?`
`19:48.02`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`kdm works fine`
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`19:48.17`	`asg`	`JordiGH: that's only people who actually submitted data; the number is probably quite a bit larger.`
`19:48.18`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: did you install kde, gnome or anything?`
`19:48.34`	`tarzeau`	`asg: indeed, probably like 5 times more`
`19:48.42`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: checked www.linuxcounter.org yet?`
`19:48.47`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: you need a window manager to do anything useful with x`
`19:48.52`	`asg`	`tarzeau: I'd venture higher but that's just me.`
`19:48.58`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`first I installed gdm kdm and remove gdm`
`19:48.58`	`tarzeau`	`asg: so would i`
`19:49.12`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`moshii: yes I need X`
`19:49.19`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`and X so beatiful`
`19:49.28`	`tarzeau`	`asg: and i'm sure there's at least 5 persons cursing firefox now, 3 cursing kde, 8 cursing gnome`
`19:49.47`	`PepperBob`	`asg, you're not operating a HP DL320 server by accident?`
`19:49.48`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`I remove gdm but I get the gnome screen yet`
`19:49.57`	`moshii`	`Edwin_Quijada: unix works in layers .. right now you have enough to put stuff on the screen and rive your mouse, you need another layer on do to get it to do much`
`19:50.02`	`asg`	`tarzeau: I'm cursing Soekris Engineering's inability to provide a secure order form so I can buy sbcs for OpenBSD.`
`19:50.02`	`Shadowcat`	`tarzeau: Windows > Gnome`
`19:50.04`	`Shadowcat`	`:)`
`19:50.08`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: i agree`
`19:50.13`	`asg`	`PepperBob: no, mostly Dells and IBM Blades right now.`
`19:50.16`	`RichiH`	`moshii: like an onion?`
`19:50.21`	`tarzeau`	`Shadowcat: actually, i haven't seen anything worse than gnome`
`19:50.24`	`moshii`	`RichiH: indeed`
`19:50.27`	`JordiGH`	`RichiH: So Unix stinks?`
`19:50.37`	`moshii`	`and makes you cry`
`19:50.40`	`RichiH`	`JordiGH: no, but it makes you weep`
`19:50.40`	`PepperBob`	`asg, how does debian fit on dell? we should have better not bought a hp blade...`
`19:50.40`	`asg`	`JordiGH: reduces your risk of cancer`
`19:50.46`	`RichiH`	`asg: heh`
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`19:51.02`	`RichiH`	`you won't get the smell of unix off your fingers, though :/`
`19:51.17`	`tarzeau`	`asg: i'd rather get hardware pre-installed with OPENSTEP`
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`19:51.29`	`tarzeau`	`asg: or have someone ditch mac os x for OPENSTEP`
`19:51.31`	`asg`	`PepperBob: on most dells, it's quite good. HP apparently now officially supports Debian on their blades so you might troll their site for extra info.`
`19:51.31`	`Hocus`	`how to recover a root pass?`
`19:51.40`	`asg`	`tarzeau: of that I have no doubt :)`
`19:51.42`	`tarzeau`	`Hocus: on linux? boot with init=/bin/bash`
`19:51.45`	`RichiH`	`Hocus: you can not recover it, but you can set a new one`
`19:51.45`	`asg`	`Hocus: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password`
`19:51.49`	`tarzeau`	`Hocus: edit /etc/passwd, sync sync sync, reboot`
`19:51.49`	`RichiH`	`!root password`
`19:51.58`	`tarzeau`	`asg: heh :)`
`19:52.00`	`ctl_`	`#d-i`
`19:52.07`	`ctl_`	`it's`
`19:52.15`	`ctl_`	`!i forgot root's password`
`19:52.15`	`dpkg`	`1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.`
`19:52.21`	`ctl_`	`oh`
`19:52.25`	`ctl_`	`!d-i`
`19:52.26`	`dpkg`	`For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot.`
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`19:52.26`	`asg`	`ctl_: /msg the bot`
`19:52.28`	`PepperBob`	`asg, did that already - without success :/ ... it's more a problem that the uhci_hcd module troubles with HP hardware (basically administrative hardware)`
`19:52.41`	`ctl_`	`ph33r my wrath`
`19:52.47`	`asg`	`PepperBob: oh, I've had issues with that on some systems.`
`19:52.54`	`JordiGH`	`Twenty nine million Linux users... I think this means we can take over Canada now!`
`19:52.55`	`asg`	`ctl_: we only fear people who have a clue`
`19:53.09`	`PepperBob`	`asg: with uhci_hcd?`
`19:53.09`	`ctl_`	`hang on i don't have a clue how to change my nick`
`19:53.19`	`moshii`	`ctl_: /nick`
`19:53.22`	`tarzeau`	`ctl_: alt-f4 ?`
`19:53.22`	`ctl_`	`yeah`
`19:53.24`	`ctl_`	`it's not`
`19:53.29`	`RichiH`	`tarzeau: heh`
`19:53.35`	`ctl_`	`gd`
`19:53.44`	`ctl_`	`it's winders btw tarzeau`
`19:53.44`	`asg`	`PepperBob: i've seen it cause random lockups on IBM HS20 blades when switching the cd/mouse/kb switch. It does work though.`
`19:54.00`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: that's not reliable`
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`19:54.07`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: pkill is much better to kill firefox`
`19:54.16`	`ctl_`	`gah`
`19:54.18`	`ctl_`	`ah`
`19:54.23`	`moshii`	`oh?`
`19:54.25`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: i've seen many firefox processes ghost around after xkilling`
`19:54.28`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: How about killall?`
`19:54.29`	`PepperBob`	`asg, am i right that disabling this will only effect usb 1.0 ?`
`19:54.33`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: same thing`
`19:54.37`	`ctl_`	`sheesh`
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`19:54.39`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: more keys to touch`
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`19:54.55`	`Gecko`	`Hey, how do I find out what daemon is currently listening to a certain tcp port?`
`19:55.02`	`tarzeau`	`Gecko: lsof -i`
`19:55.06`	`tarzeau`	`Gecko: or using netstat`
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`19:55.16`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: ps agux \| grep firefox seems to report no stray processes.`
`19:55.29`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: you've had luck then`
`19:55.33`	`ctl_`	`ok brb`
`19:55.40`	`PepperBob`	`asg, seems so... ehci_hcd is for usb2`
`19:55.44`	`JordiGH`	`'Sides, I like the skull and crossbones. :-)`
`19:55.49`	`asg`	`PepperBob: yes, I think so.`
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`19:56.02`	`PepperBob`	`asg, that's good. i can live with that.`
`19:56.02`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: hehe, and xsnow?`
`19:56.10`	`PepperBob`	`alright i'm out. see you later guys!`
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`19:56.12`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: try bubblefishymon too :)`
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`19:56.21`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it's got a duck and fish!`
`19:56.25`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: and BUBBLES`
`19:56.29`	`asg`	`tarzeau: xpenguins!`
`19:56.33`	`jetwork`	`die windows die`
`19:56.39`	`jetwork`	`i'm baaaaack`
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`19:56.48`	`asg`	`jetwork: if you leave it alone for a few minutes, it'll die on its own. Be patient`
`19:56.58`	`jetwork`	`nah i'm the admin`
`19:57.07`	`Hocus`	`tarzeau> steps 2,3,5 are mandatory ?`
`19:57.11`	`moshii`	`has anyone tried debian on a dell poweredge? i've installed the shipped rhel on them for now..`
`19:57.21`	`petemc`	`moshii: lots of people`
`19:57.22`	`asg`	`moshii: I run it on a number of them`
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`19:57.33`	`tarzeau`	`Hocus: dunno, i told you how without step numbers`
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`19:57.45`	`moshii`	`asg: flawless or a pain in the behind?`
`19:57.56`	`tarzeau`	`Hocus: 2 not, 3 yes, 5 no`
`19:58.02`	`asg`	`jetwork: it's because of windows admins that I have to disable 'CTRL+ALT+DELETE' in /etc/inittab with a message to console that says 'This is not a Windows box you noob!'`
`19:58.18`	`asg`	`moshii: with sarge, generally pretty flawless.`
`19:58.19`	`tarzeau`	`asg: www.linuks.mine.nu/ctrl-alt-del/`
`19:58.28`	`jetwork`	`run icewm, it intercepts the keycombo`
`19:58.32`	`tarzeau`	`asg: people get laughing cramps with speakers on :)`
`19:58.32`	`asg`	`moshii: woody had some issues with the megaraid controllers once upon a time.`
`19:58.38`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Heh, how do I get xsnow to work? Failsafe, no KDE?`
`19:58.39`	`tarzeau`	`asg: it's really authentic`
`19:58.44`	`jetwork`	`and don't let users in console`
`19:58.45`	`asg`	`jetwork: on a server?`
`19:58.49`	`jetwork`	`oh`
`19:58.52`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: just type "xsnow" ?`
`19:58.53`	`Hocus`	`3) 'cause at boot fs is mounted as ro ?`
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`19:59.02`	`moshii`	`that's ok then.. next question, anyone tried debian on a xserve g5?`
`19:59.08`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Is something supposed to happen?`
`19:59.11`	`asg`	`tarzeau: hehe, nice`
`19:59.13`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: yeah`
`19:59.20`	`moshii`	`I plan to get one for at home when i have one :)`
`19:59.25`	`jetwork`	`where the debian-installer channel nowadays.... oftc?`
`19:59.26`	`tarzeau`	`asg: plays some "bling bling" :)`
`19:59.32`	`asg`	`tarzeau: :)`
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`19:59.39`	`asg`	`jetwork: #debian-boot iirc`
`19:59.42`	`jetwork`	`ah`
`19:59.44`	`tarzeau`	`asg: very funny when windows tards wants to login`
`19:59.45`	`jetwork`	`thanks`
`20:00.23`	`tarzeau`	`jetwork: here?`
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`20:00.23`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Nothing happened. :-(`
`20:00.24`	`jetwork`	`just me and chanserv`
`20:00.24`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: did you install it?`
`20:00.31`	`asg`	`tarzeau: the problem I have is that I have mixed Windows / Debian systems in my blade centers and the first thing Windows admins do is 'CTRL+ALT+DEL' to login sigh`
`20:00.33`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Ah, it's a FAQ, I see. KDE won't let it draw on the root window.`
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`20:00.53`	`asg`	`jetwork: then it's probably moved to oftc.net`
`20:00.55`	`tarzeau`	`asg: yap, that's why i patch all my systmes with my ctrl-alt-del/ thingy`
`20:00.58`	`jetwork`	`yeah`
`20:01.02`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: oh, kde sucks`
`20:01.11`	`asg`	`tarzeau: well, editing /etc/inittab works in a pinch for me`
`20:01.14`	`jetwork`	`kde is growing on me though`
`20:01.15`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: maybe they've got ksnow ?`
`20:01.16`	`JordiGH`	`asg: You mean the issue is that they reboot Debian? You can change that behaviour, y'know...`
`20:01.28`	`tarzeau`	`asg: for 150 computers? i'd not want to do that manually`
`20:01.38`	`asg`	`JordiGH: yes, I have. It echos 'This is not a Windows box noob!'`
`20:01.49`	`tarzeau`	`asg: and play the national anthem?`
`20:01.50`	`JordiGH`	`asg: HAHA! NICE!`
`20:01.59`	`asg`	`tarzeau: I have a standard live-cd custom installer for our machines (that aren't on the SAN anyway)`
`20:01.59`	`tarzeau`	`asg: at full loudness?`
`20:02.08`	*** part/#debian lnx` (i=lnx@ist.ein.oberrul0r.com)
`20:02.10`	`asg`	`tarzeau: no, IBM blades don't have soundcards :(`
`20:02.14`	`tarzeau`	`asg: do it at least on april 1st`
`20:02.18`	`tarzeau`	`asg: pc speaker?`
`20:02.19`	`jetwork`	`where is that setting to not do ctrl alt del ... btw, i've seen it... is it in inittab?`
`20:02.25`	`tarzeau`	`asg: ow ibm blades suck dick then!`
`20:02.36`	`tarzeau`	`jetwork: yes`
`20:02.50`	`tarzeau`	`asg: computers without soundcards , horrible`
`20:02.51`	`jetwork`	`thx`
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`20:02.54`	`JordiGH`	`jetwork: yes.`
`20:02.59`	`asg`	`tarzeau: on april 1st, I usually eject(1) cd trays on systems and have a speaker enabled machine use flite to say 'Feed Me' over and over again at the mainframe operators.`
`20:03.08`	`tarzeau`	`asg: hahahhahaa`
`20:03.18`	`JordiGH`	`:-)`
`20:03.20`	`tarzeau`	`asg: i should try that on our workstations`
`20:03.34`	`asg`	`tarzeau: hours of fun and the creator of many helpdesk tickets :)`
`20:03.36`	`tarzeau`	`asg: you nkow on a mac you can run "say FEED ME"`
`20:03.39`	`JordiGH`	`asg: You're awesome. Do you want to be my sysadmin? My current one smokes too much weed and won't update Firefox on the servers.`
`20:03.41`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`btw... how to change this behavior ?`
`20:03.48`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`the ctrl+alt+del thingy`
`20:03.52`	`asg`	`tarzeau: yep, I had fun with that too when I had my macbook.`
`20:04.00`	`tarzeau`	`asg: amiga had say too`
`20:04.02`	`moshii`	`tarzeau: or an amiga with ks 2`
`20:04.03`	`JordiGH`	`Ox0F0-0FF: We were just through this. Edit /etc/inittab. :-)`
`20:04.11`	`tarzeau`	`Ox0F0-0FF: www.linuks.mine.nu/ctrl-alt-del/`
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`20:04.28`	`asg`	`JordiGH: dunno, can you pay me more than $80k US in North Carolina rated dollars? :)`
`20:04.28`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`JordiGH, Yes, that's why I aske the question, it pinched my curiosity`
`20:04.32`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`ok, thanks :)`
`20:04.53`	`pickcoder`	`asg: NC? Wilmywood here`
`20:04.54`	`asg`	`tarzeau: ln -s /usr/bin/flite /usr/local/bin/say`
`20:04.58`	`asg`	`pickcoder: Charlotte`
`20:05.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 601] by debhelper`
`20:05.07`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`Anyone knows if *BSD has this behavior too ?`
`20:05.12`	`pickcoder`	`we're getting saturated right now.. :/`
`20:05.23`	`tarzeau`	`asg: 8mb for flite ? /me tries`
`20:05.25`	`JordiGH`	`asg: Uhhh... y'know, the money is probably there, but we'd need to come up with a very impressive resume for you... how long can you hold your breath?`
`20:05.31`	`asg`	`pickcoder: yeah. It's pissing it down outside and I'm getting pissed in a pub :)`
`20:05.35`	`tarzeau`	`Ox0F0-0FF: yes it'll reboot too`
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`20:05.39`	`asg`	`tarzeau: it's slimmer than festival`
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`20:05.46`	`pickcoder`	`heh`
`20:05.48`	`smax`	`hi gang`
`20:05.49`	`tarzeau`	`asg: can it do female voices too?`
`20:05.52`	`asg`	`JordiGH: :)`
`20:05.52`	`Ox0F0-0FF`	`damn`
`20:06.05`	`asg`	`tarzeau: not sure, I don't mess with it much. Probably not though.`
`20:06.20`	`tarzeau`	`asg: you know i've got a script to estimate a name is female or male`
`20:06.26`	`tarzeau`	`asg: would be fun to let irssi speak...`
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`20:06.46`	`asg`	`tarzeau: nice. What algorithm is it based on or is it just a word search type thing?`
`20:06.46`	`moshii`	`tarzeau: for 'english' names?`
`20:06.51`	`tarzeau`	`moshii: german`
`20:07.00`	`tarzeau`	`asg: my own algorithm`
`20:07.05`	`tarzeau`	`moshii: works for english too`
`20:07.09`	`asg`	`tarzeau: ah, cool`
`20:07.09`	`moshii`	`tarzeau: ah, Japanese ones are pretty easy`
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`20:07.49`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Alright, tarzeau, but I have to ask. Wtf is Niue?`
`20:07.58`	`tarzeau`	`!niue`
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`20:08.05`	`tarzeau`	`!nu`
`20:08.06`	`asg`	`JordiGH: .nu`
`20:08.14`	`JordiGH`	`Yes. What is that?`
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`20:08.20`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: www.mine.nu free dns`
`20:08.24`	`asg`	`JordiGH: some country that sold their domain`
`20:08.33`	`JordiGH`	`Ah, like Tivoli and .tv?`
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`20:08.46`	`asg`	`JordiGH: similar, yes`
`20:08.52`	`moshii`	`Tivoli is Spains version of disney land heh`
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`20:09.06`	`asg`	`moshii: I've been to Tivoli in Malaga a few times :)`
`20:09.07`	`tarzeau`	`asg: man flite doesn't say antyhing here`
`20:09.19`	`simonrvn`	`!nu is <reply>Niue nu niu 570`
`20:09.19`	`dpkg`	`simonrvn: okay`
`20:09.21`	`moshii`	`asg: Living in Gibraltar now`
`20:09.22`	`simonrvn`	`er`
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`20:09.29`	`asg`	`tarzeau: yeah, it either works or doesn't. I don't know if much work is being done on it these days.`
`20:09.41`	`tarzeau`	`asg: see it just sucks`
`20:09.45`	`simonrvn`	`!no nu is <reply>Niue nu niu 570`
`20:09.46`	`dpkg`	`okay, simonrvn`
`20:09.56`	`asg`	`moshii: oh, cool. I expect to be in Mias next July.`
`20:09.56`	`tarzeau`	`asg: like there's no single good bomberman clone for linux`
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`20:10.17`	`aalex`	`hi`
`20:10.17`	`asg`	`tarzeau: as long as I have cowsay(1), I'm happy`
`20:10.20`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: which sucks`
`20:10.30`	`tarzeau`	`asg: tried filters lately? my nethackify is in now`
`20:10.38`	`JordiGH`	`Oh, wait.`
`20:10.39`	`JordiGH`	`Xblast!`
`20:10.46`	`JordiGH`	`What the hell are you talking about... xblast rocks!`
`20:10.46`	`tarzeau`	`asg: and i like the upside-down one alot`
`20:10.53`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: xblast sucks! tried mr. boom ?`
`20:10.56`	`asg`	`tarzeau: getting it now`
`20:11.10`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: the gameplay sucks, the graphics suck, the sound sucks`
`20:11.14`	`JordiGH`	`Fuck, good times... I miss my meatspace Debianistas.`
`20:11.22`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: tried #bub-n-bros yet ? bub-n-bros.sf.net`
`20:11.33`	`aalex`	`I have a hard time trying to find a minimal install CD for Debian Testing powerpc. I can only find the initrd.gz file and such. Where can I get an iso that I could simply burn on a CD using cdrecord ?`
`20:11.38`	`moshii`	`asg: Just don't get shoot by the Spanish military police :/`
`20:11.40`	`asg`	`tarzeau: I'll have to grab it later, my borrowed pubfi connection is somewhat flaky.`
`20:11.42`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: that was fun, www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/`
`20:11.43`	`aalex`	`http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/cdrom/ :-(`
`20:12.07`	`asg`	`moshii: I'll try not to :) I may have to go to gib for some fish-n-chips though`
`20:12.32`	`moshii`	`asg: Speaking as an Englishman.. the fish and chips here are awful`
`20:12.38`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Hee hee! Is that game Debianised?`
`20:12.44`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: pity, no`
`20:12.48`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: you can do it?`
`20:12.53`	`moshii`	`no one in gib can do batter :(`
`20:13.03`	`asg`	`moshii: true but they are much better than some of the local varieties. I'll be in Reading the week before though so I'll probably get a good fill.`
`20:13.03`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: www.mtp-target.org is nice too!`
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`20:13.15`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: hehehe :)`
`20:13.29`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: but please package it, you can do so without becoming debian developer, and not even debian maintainer`
`20:13.29`	`asg`	`I'm afraid of tarzeau becoming a DD :)`
`20:13.35`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: make it, and orphan it`
`20:13.38`	`tarzeau`	`asg: don't worry`
`20:13.47`	`tarzeau`	`asg: i'll become @freebsd.org before i get DD`
`20:13.53`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: I'd have to know how to fix all those horrible compile errors, wouldn't I?`
`20:13.55`	`moshii`	`Going to the KFC near malaga is the highlight of my life recently`
`20:14.06`	`asg`	`tarzeau: ah, didn't know you were pursuing that. Cool.`
`20:14.11`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: And compile the damn thing in fourteen? fifteen? architectures and counting.`
`20:14.12`	`tarzeau`	`asg: btw why? my packages are not of superior quality?`
`20:14.23`	`asg`	`moshii: they have a KFC in Malaga? ouch. It's been 20 years since I was last there.`
`20:14.32`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: it's portable, and python, just package it`
`20:14.33`	`asg`	`tarzeau: :) I was only kidding.`
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`20:14.39`	`disposable`	`i HDD got badblocks but i managed to copy most of my installation to another drive. now X complains about not having /dev/input/mice. i ran MAKEDEV and it created /dev/.static/dev/input/mice. but X won't accept it and still wouldn't start. what should i do to recreate the /dev/directory properly? its on etch`
`20:14.39`	`pickcoder`	`KF MSG`
`20:14.48`	`disposable`	`s/i/my`
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`20:15.38`	`JordiGH`	`Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't /dev created each time the kernel boots?`
`20:15.42`	`moshii`	`asg: ah, the airport probably looks the same... like something out of 80's tv`
`20:15.44`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: no`
`20:15.47`	`asg`	`disposable: etch uses udev now, not a static /dev. If stew is around, he might know how to fix it.`
`20:15.48`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: not necessarily`
`20:15.48`	`abrotman`	`JordiGH: depends`
`20:15.56`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: linux has several possiblities`
`20:16.02`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: and the one with /dev/disks/ sucks most`
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`20:16.18`	`abrotman`	`JordiGH: with devfs(now deprecated) .. no .. with udev ..y es`
`20:16.20`	`abrotman`	`yes even`
`20:16.21`	`chris_abyi`	`hi! I just compiled blender with scons. Now I got a new directory called /usr/src/install/blender/ with the blender executable in it. Unfortunately, I don't want it in this directory, is it possible to move is elsewhere and where should I move it to?`
`20:16.21`	`asg`	`moshii: yeah, my Uncle was a partner in the La Venta hotel complex during the 70s.`
`20:16.29`	`disposable`	`asg: could dpkg-reconfigure solve it?`
`20:16.36`	`asg`	`disposable: maybe, it's worth a shot.`
`20:16.48`	`moshii`	`asg: La venta? named after the cloud that comes over gib?`
`20:16.58`	`abrotman`	`chris_abyi: ask #blender .. but i believe scons has ways to get around that`
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`20:17.12`	`disposable`	`asg: thanks`
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`20:17.24`	`asg`	`moshii: heh, I didn't know it had another meaning. It's just outside of Fuengerola (sp?) iirc.`
`20:17.30`	`pickcoder`	`bbiab`
`20:18.16`	`moshii`	`asg: I think La venta is the llatino name for this huge cloud that comes over the rock and gives your really bad back pain`
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`20:19.19`	`asg`	`moshii: hehe, that's too funny.`
`20:19.27`	`exs`	`How do I install firefox 2.0 beta 2?`
`20:19.32`	`JordiGH`	`Oh, cute. The snow in xsnow accumulated. :-)`
`20:19.40`	`asg`	`JordiGH: hours of fun`
`20:20.01`	`moshii`	`asg: seriously, makes it really dark mid-day too`
`20:20.01`	`asg`	`JordiGH: xpenguins is much better`
`20:20.14`	`JordiGH`	`Then I could have a snowy Debian OS-Tan. :-)`
`20:20.32`	`tarzeau`	`who was the demoscene guy again?`
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`20:20.42`	`asg`	`you can kill the penguins with the mouse if they get out of hand.`
`20:21.01`	`JordiGH`	`On my desktop backgrounds, that is (man, I love that plural).`
`20:21.07`	`tarzeau`	try these with ocp `find .
`20:21.11`	`tarzeau`	try these with ocp `find . \| rl` : http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/music-misc/
`20:21.22`	`tarzeau`	`there's also adlib tunes in music-adlib`
`20:21.25`	`tarzeau`	`(it can even do sid)`
`20:21.33`	`JordiGH`	`I've mentioned it before in here, but: http://www.deviantart.com/view/24898141/`
`20:21.38`	`asg`	`tarzeau: sid as in C64 sidplayer?`
`20:21.41`	`JordiGH`	`Can we adopt her?`
`20:21.44`	`tarzeau`	`asg: excatcly`
`20:21.53`	`tarzeau`	`asg: in both frequencies, with both MOS chips`
`20:22.02`	`asg`	`tarzeau: hahaha`
`20:22.04`	`tarzeau`	`asg: even with different pitches and speeds`
`20:22.13`	`tarzeau`	`independent of each other, VERY COOL`
`20:22.16`	`tarzeau`	`asg: looks like:`
`20:22.27`	`chris_abyi`	`rm..anyone can imagine why I "can't send to #blender" ??? somethin' freenode-specific?`
`20:22.34`	`tarzeau`	`http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/ocp.png`
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`20:22.50`	`asg`	`chris_abyi: you may have to be in-channel or identified.`
`20:23.09`	`chris_abyi`	`rym`
`20:23.10`	`chris_abyi`	`:P`
`20:23.21`	`asg`	`well, gotta go. Bye all.`
`20:23.23`	`tarzeau`	`asg: oh it does mp3 and ogg too!`
`20:23.26`	`simonrvn`	`see you`
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`20:23.44`	`JordiGH`	`wtf rym`
`20:23.57`	`simonrvn`	`rym shot`
`20:25.13`	`simonrvn`	`i dunno, really`
`20:26.12`	`smax`	`how do i disable a daemon from starting/listening at bootime ?`
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`20:26.26`	`simonrvn`	`man update-rc.d`
`20:26.37`	`moshii`	`smax: update-rc.d`
`20:26.39`	`smax`	`ahh`
`20:27.06`	`simonrvn`	`:)`
`20:27.10`	`JordiGH`	`Y'know these pull-down lists in web forms with country names? Who compiles them?`
`20:27.40`	`JordiGH`	`smax: Curious, are you thinking specifically about the DHCP client?`
`20:27.44`	`moshii`	`JordiGH: ctrl-c ctrl-v`
`20:28.11`	`simonrvn`	`they get passed around... i suppose it's derived from one or list or another`
`20:28.28`	`JordiGH`	`moshii: Obsolete. Highlight with the mouse and middle-click. :-)`
`20:28.32`	`simonrvn`	`oroginal source... good question`
`20:28.35`	`onweald_ti1`	`I want to install locales package in a script. Is there a way to use "apt-get install" and specify which locale to default to?`
`20:28.37`	`onweald_ti1`	`My googling has resulted in using "--assume-yes" but that doesn't specify the locale. Maybe "--option locale::mylocaleis=en-us" or something like that?`
`20:28.47`	`aalex`	`Someone can point me out how to download the Debian testing minimal install CD ?`
`20:28.48`	`simonrvn`	`orig*`
`20:28.48`	`peterS`	`JordiGH: I think country names are usually taken from ISO-3166`
`20:29.04`	`simonrvn`	`aalex: with your browser?`
`20:29.05`	`JordiGH`	`!tell aalex aobut d-i`
`20:29.08`	`moshii`	`JordiGH: not if you're stuck on a windows machine`
`20:29.14`	`JordiGH`	`!tell aalex about d-i`
`20:29.34`	`aalex`	`simonrv : well, any mean`
`20:29.40`	`googlah`	`i'm running debian stable on a old pentium as server.. it runs great.. but when it comes to locales and gallery (image php software), the language doesnt work too well.`
`20:29.45`	`JordiGH`	`moshii: That's what Knoppix is for! Boot access is root access! Plus, you get to carry your own costumisations around in a usb pendrive. :-)`
`20:30.16`	`simonrvn`	`'custom*' =)`
`20:30.25`	`moshii`	`JordiGH: I have my own version of debian for that .. on usb all encrypted with AES`
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`20:30.50`	`simonrvn`	`AES CBC RSA triple DES`
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`20:30.59`	`moshii`	`JordiGH: but I have to be on this windows domain and other needless crap for works sake`
`20:31.00`	`seb-`	`what is kismet's 'capture source' mean? not sure what to put for that`
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`20:31.08`	`seb-`	`Also, once you find desired AP after scanning with 'iwlist eth0 scan'...HOW do you make sure dhcp doesn't attach to WRONG SSID?`
`20:31.22`	`JordiGH`	`moshii: Ow, The Man taking a bite... sorry. :-/`
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`20:32.08`	`moshii`	`I got this shell account just for work :)`
`20:32.15`	`sfb`	`Maybe someone here is pretty savvy with mailx.`
`20:32.27`	`JordiGH`	`moshii, simonrvn: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/anavabi/mp3/MC%20Plus+%20-%20Algorhythms%20-%20Alice%20and%20Bob.mp3`
`20:32.30`	`sfb`	`Is there a way to send as a specific SMTP address rather than the Unix account running the command?`
`20:33.14`	`JordiGH`	`moshii: Save it for later. ;-)`
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`20:33.16`	`peterS`	`sfb: yeah just change the From: line. any decent MUA will let you do that.`
`20:33.40`	`sfb`	`I need to use /usr/bin/mail (/bin/mail) from the commandline.`
`20:33.44`	`simonrvn`	`fetched. thanks. i'll listen to it later`
`20:33.49`	`peterS`	`sfb: if you use mutt, you want 'set edit_headers=yes' and 'set autoedit=yes'`
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`20:34.48`	`JordiGH`	`moshii: Or just read the lyrics here: http://www.lyricwiki.org/MC_Plus_Plus:Alice_And_Bob`
`20:34.54`	`sfb`	`I need to do something akin to this: echo "Foo bar" \| /usr/bin/mail -s "Subject here" --from "foo@bar.com" "destination@address.com"`
`20:35.20`	`peterS`	`sfb: if you pipe to '/usr/sbin/sendmail -t', you are expected to supply all headers in your standard input. including From.`
`20:35.46`	`simonrvn`	`GTG. yikes, it's late. see you`
`20:36.17`	`peterS`	`sfb: so like: { echo "From: <foo@example.com>"; echo "To: <destination@address.com>"; echo "Subject: Subject here"; echo ""; echo "Foo bar"; } \| /usr/sbin/sendmail -t`
`20:36.18`	`simonrvn`	`take care people. don't do anything i would do`
`20:36.46`	`sfb`	`Ugh. What a PITA. It'll work tho.`
`20:36.48`	`sfb`	`Thanks man.`
`20:36.50`	`simonrvn`	`funky, with braces`
`20:36.57`	`peterS`	`simonrvn: you can use () if you prefer (:`
`20:37.07`	`peterS`	`but with braces it doesn't fork off a separate shell`
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`20:37.14`	`simonrvn`	`i see. nice`
`20:37.37`	`peterS`	`one thing to note about { }, you need ; or newline before }, which is not true of ()`
`20:37.48`	`simonrvn`	`ok`
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`20:38.47`	`gre123`	`hi`
`20:38.53`	`JordiGH`	`!greet gre123`
`20:38.53`	`dpkg`	`Bonjour, gre123`
`20:39.24`	`gre123`	`i need help changing my resolution\`
`20:39.43`	`gre123`	`it wont let me change it rom 640x480`
`20:39.56`	`JordiGH`	`gre123: Xorg or XFree86?`
`20:40.10`	`gre123`	`xfrre86`
`20:40.16`	`gre123`	`xfree86*`
`20:40.29`	`JordiGH`	`gre123: tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?`
`20:40.34`	`gre123`	`yup`
`20:40.46`	`JordiGH`	`gre123: Are you using the right driver for your video card?`
`20:40.52`	`gre123`	`it stays at 64x480 no matter what i select`
`20:40.56`	`gre123`	`no`
`20:40.57`	`JordiGH`	`gre123: I.e. not Vesa?`
`20:41.03`	`gre123`	`it doesnt have my driver`
`20:41.04`	`cydork`	`gre123, try with -phigh`
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`20:41.31`	`JordiGH`	`gre123: What's your driver? Are you using an Nvidia card?`
`20:41.33`	`gre123`	`i its intergrated graphics`
`20:41.37`	`gre123`	`intel`
`20:41.46`	`gre123`	`i830 i think`
`20:41.49`	`JordiGH`	`Intel? I'm sure there's drivers for that.`
`20:42.21`	`jez`	`I'm trying to build the gtkpod package from source so i can build it with aac support (libmp4v2) but for some reason it's saying it can't find mp4.h even though it's at /usr/include/mp4.h... any ideas why?`
`20:42.24`	`gre123`	`ive just got xserver to work`
`20:42.27`	`cydork`	`gre123, , i810 is the general driver i guess`
`20:42.38`	`gre123`	`yea thats what i choose`
`20:42.45`	`sda`	`Hi. I have some trouble setting up my language (da_DK) in the locales. I was told just to run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' but it just seems to check if everything is alright. but it isn't. how can I change it?`
`20:42.56`	`gre123`	`but it wont let me change resolutin`
`20:43.00`	`tuv`	`i just mounted an external ntfs usb hd. it shows as rw in "mount" but creating a dir. returns "Operation not permitted"`
`20:43.41`	`cydork`	`gre123, try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg`
`20:43.45`	`tuv`	`what am i missing?`
`20:43.52`	`JordiGH`	`tuv: You can't write to NTFS from Linux.`
`20:43.54`	`jelly-home`	`!tell tuv -about ntfs rw`
`20:44.33`	`JordiGH`	`And oh man... The Beast From Redmond is about to rise again and change its filesystem even more, isn't it? :-/`
`20:44.57`	`tuv`	`it used to show as ro. i though write support is now available since it shows as rw. it was mounted by gnome automatically`
`20:44.59`	`moshii`	`sda: when you run dpkg-reconfigure locales you should be ask for which locales to generate`
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`20:45.35`	`moshii`	`sda: you need to generate da_DK and then export LANG, LCTYPE etc as da_DK`
`20:45.44`	`JordiGH`	`tuv: Write support for NTFS from Linux? That would be all over the headlines.`
`20:45.44`	`sda`	`I'm not asked that. it just goes en_DK.UTF-8... up-to-date`
`20:45.45`	`sda`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:45.59`	`gre123`	`srry cydork what was the command again?`
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`20:46.16`	`cydork`	`gre123, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg`
`20:46.21`	`moshii`	`sda: hmm maybe you need to change the priority of the question debconf asks`
`20:46.22`	`jelly-home`	`JordiGH: it's not in the headlines, but looks very promising.`
`20:46.23`	`sda`	`I bet that sounds more complicated than it really is :)`
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`20:47.06`	`gre123`	`dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xfree86 work?`
`20:47.11`	`petemc`	`JordiGH: the ntfs-3g thing was pretty widely covered a month or two ago`
`20:47.38`	`jelly-home`	`JordiGH: well, whaddaya say, it _is_ in the headlines too! http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15196`
`20:47.44`	`moshii`	`sda: dpkg-reconfigure --priority medium locales`
`20:48.07`	`cydork`	`gre123, i guess so`
`20:48.12`	`moshii`	`sda: --priority=medium`
`20:48.15`	`JordiGH`	`I think I need to hang out in Slashdot more. ;-)`
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`20:48.55`	`gre123`	`should i update to xorg?`
`20:48.55`	`sda`	`same thing happens`
`20:49.08`	`moshii`	`sda: what about low`
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`20:49.15`	`num000`	`does anyone know if 32bit pcmcia cards do work in 16 bit pcmcia hosts?`
`20:49.31`	`jelly-home`	`num000: they don't.`
`20:49.35`	`sda`	`same. I don't get it.`
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`20:50.07`	`moshii`	`sda: that is weird, maybe there is some other way of getting it to generating the locales`
`20:50.18`	`num000`	`jelly-home thank you, do you know a way how to find out what sort of pcmcia host i do have, specially if this is a 32bit or 16bit host`
`20:50.24`	`gre123`	`should i use xorg instead of xfree86?`
`20:50.52`	`moshii`	`num000: look for cardbus on the box`
`20:50.59`	`jelly-home`	`num000: if the documentation says it supports cardbus, it's 32bit.`
`20:51.04`	`sda`	`I'll just try and flush some things..`
`20:51.15`	`sda`	`thanks for the help anyway!`
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`20:51.34`	`moshii`	`sda: I would try to help more, but I'm not a on a debian machine atm`
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`20:51.39`	`num000`	`lspci says it is a cardbus bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC97 (rev 20)`
`20:51.48`	`JordiGH`	`gre123: Sometimes updating to xorg helps, sometimes it doesn't. It's a big change. Nothing to lose but your time, right?`
`20:51.51`	`num000`	`may this be a 32 bit pcmcia card?`
`20:52.16`	`moshii`	`num000: pcmcia is isa, 16 bit .. cardbus is pci, 32 bit`
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`20:52.32`	`gre123`	`yup`
`20:52.42`	`gre123`	`do i have to edit source list?`
`20:52.43`	`num000`	`unfortunately i do have a xircom cbe2-100 (xircom cardbus ethernet II) i can not get it work.`
`20:52.52`	`num000`	`moshii i see,`
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`20:53.10`	`jelly-home`	`num000: my rule of thumb is if it's newer than, say, 2000, it's probably cardbus capable.`
`20:53.11`	`JordiGH`	`gre123: Probably. It may also attempt to drag along a bunch of dependencies.`
`20:53.16`	`num000`	`moshii so the toshiba cardbus host should then be a 32bit pci bus`
`20:53.32`	`num000`	`jelly-home unfortunately this laptop is bought 97`
`20:53.32`	`gre123`	`ill be back in an hour`
`20:53.37`	`gre123`	`then ill try`
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`20:54.01`	`[TEHb]`	`Hallo`
`20:54.07`	`moshii`	`num000: you probably have a strictly pcmcia machine`
`20:54.11`	`jelly-home`	`num000: Probably 16bit only then. that's a 486, Pentium?`
`20:54.29`	`moshii`	`num000: you should be able to find a 10mbit pcmcia nic that'll work`
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`20:55.00`	`moshii`	`num000: I have a cnet card in my amiga.. and that's barely got pcmcia ;)`
`20:55.15`	`JordiGH`	`My linux number in the Linux counter is 426295. Do I get a prize?`
`20:55.18`	`num000`	`jelly-home it is a pentium I 166mhz, i'm running successfuly a orinoco agere wlan card on it and also a xircom credit card modem and ethernet, but the network card is damaged so i'm trying to get the cardbus II run`
`20:55.42`	`JordiGH`	`Also, why the hell do we need the factor program for?`
`20:55.46`	`JordiGH`	`!info factor`
`20:56.00`	`num000`	`moshii yes i do have one, but i'm sick off 10mbit and the one i have runs for more than 3 years uninterrupted, and makes trouble meanwhile`
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`20:57.07`	`num000`	`i would need to make shure it is a pci bus pcmcia card (32 bit), except from beeing a cardbus bridge, what else i would have to find out what sort of host it is`
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`20:57.41`	`amphi`	`num000: IME a cardbus card will not go into a pcmcia slot`
`20:57.57`	`num000`	`amphi what is IME?`
`20:58.03`	`amphi`	`num000: in my experience`
`20:58.15`	`jelly-home`	`amphi: it will slide in ;-) but won't work.`
`20:58.19`	`num000`	`amphi pardon`
`20:58.19`	`amphi`	`num000: the cards are slightly different`
`20:59.19`	`num000`	`whats the difference?`
`20:59.19`	`amphi`	`jelly-home: nope, not that I've seen; it won't slide in fully`
`20:59.20`	`Gathond`	`iirc cardbus is basically just the 32bit version of pcmcia`
`20:59.35`	`sfb`	`peterS: Thanks, sendmail worked like a charm.`
`20:59.46`	`Gathond`	`I've never had a problem using any pcmcia card on my dell laptop which used cardbus`
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`21:00.00`	`Gathond`	`not sure a cardbus compliant card works in a pcmcia though`
`21:00.06`	`num000`	`ph00:13.0 CardBus bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC97 (rev 20)`
`21:00.13`	`num000`	`doesn't this information say it is a cardbus?`
`21:00.21`	`num000`	`s/ph//`
`21:00.22`	`peterS`	`yes`
`21:00.31`	`num000`	`which i got from lspci`
`21:00.50`	`amphi`	`num000: I have one of each here, and the guide on the left in side of the card is considerably thicker on the cardbus than the pcmcia, which prevents it going all the way in to a pcmcia slot`
`21:00.50`	`jelly-home`	`num000: meh, lspci's database might be incorrect.`
`21:01.09`	`num000`	`so does it mean it is a 32-bit pcmcia host, where i can drive 32-bit cardbus`
`21:01.26`	`peterS`	`jelly-home: it won't be incorrect about the device class ("CardBus bridge").`
`21:01.33`	`peterS`	`num000: that's the idea, yes`
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`21:02.06`	`num000`	`what about the running orinoco gold wireless card which i do have, is this 32-bit card? i'm running it since 3 years aswell`
`21:02.06`	`Blacksoul`	`http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=29176`
`21:02.07`	`Blacksoul`	`http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=29176`
`21:02.09`	`Blacksoul`	`http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=29176`
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`21:02.41`	`Blacksoul`	`http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=29176`
`21:02.43`	`Blacksoul`	`http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=29176`
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`21:02.45`	`Blacksoul`	`http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=29176`
`21:02.47`	`Blacksoul`	`http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=29176`
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`21:03.03`	`num000`	`i've never had time to get involved with pcmcia, i was lucky when it worked.`
`21:03.10`	`shay`	`can someone +q this dude?`
`21:03.27`	`anapivirtua`	`Hello World`
`21:03.47`	`jelly-home`	`num000: cardbus cards have gold colored connector thingy.`
`21:03.49`	`peterS`	`shay: yeah, I don't like to fill up the ban list for no reason, but if he returns, yeah`
`21:04.19`	`beardy`	`Sunday already?`
`21:04.27`	`num000`	`jelly-home i see`
`21:04.36`	`shay`	`peterS, breaking netiquette rules seems like a rasonable reason to me, but whatever you think`
`21:04.52`	`tuv`	`anyone tried bonfire? looks nice.. finally a nice gnome cd burner :)`
`21:04.57`	`beardy`	`ah, do you call wednesday "small-saturday" in other countries? If so, that explains it..`
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`21:05.08`	`shay`	`tuv, I'll try it, is it in Sid already?`
`21:05.14`	`peterS`	`shay: it is a reason, but if this is just a drive-by, as it appears ... well, he might well have a new dynamic IP by the time he bothers to try again`
`21:05.37`	`tuv`	`shay, it's in testing!`
`21:05.42`	`shay`	`tuv, great, installing`
`21:05.48`	`Gathond`	`num000: iirc cardbus interfaces should be able to do older pcmcia cards as well, I only think the other way around is a problem`
`21:05.49`	`shay`	`peterS, sure..`
`21:06.02`	`tuv`	`shay, let me know what you find.. i didn't try it yet`
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`21:06.40`	`jariep1_`	`hello`
`21:06.49`	`peterS`	`bah, may as well`
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`21:06.55`	`jariep1_`	`I am trying to install mozilla in debian etch`
`21:07.01`	`jariep1_`	`through synaptic`
`21:07.05`	`Gathond`	`num000: http://www.pcmcia.org/faq.htm has some information`
`21:07.11`	`jariep1_`	`but there is no SSL available`
`21:07.13`	`Gathond`	`have to go to bed though :) good luck`
`21:07.15`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: tried links2 yet?`
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`21:07.27`	`tarzeau`	`it can do ssl, javascript, and graphics rendering (even without X)`
`21:07.48`	`num000`	`Gathond thank you very much, this is really a help. nothing is better than documentation.`
`21:07.57`	`jariep1_`	`tarzeau, Mozilla was installed through debian, without PSM module for SSL`
`21:08.11`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: by default? i doubt`
`21:08.12`	`jariep1_`	`through synaptic from the etch repositories`
`21:08.16`	`Gathond`	`num000: np`
`21:08.16`	`jariep1_`	`yes`
`21:08.25`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: no debian doesn't install mozilla if you don't ask it to`
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`21:08.42`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: it installs alot of crap, but no, NOT mozilla`
`21:08.44`	`jariep1_`	`I know, I installed it from etch repositories`
`21:09.04`	`jariep1_`	`but itinstalled mozilla without ssl and the PSM module for it`
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`21:09.11`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: so?`
`21:09.17`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: you have to ask to install it`
`21:09.31`	`jariep1_`	`but under Debian stable sarge, it doesn't do this`
`21:09.36`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: yes it does`
`21:09.47`	`myren`	`A`
`21:09.50`	`myren`	`my bad`
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`21:10.01`	`jariep1_`	`I ran debian sarge a couple months ago and always ran SSL sites`
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`21:10.07`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: true mozilla depends on mozilla-psm`
`21:10.14`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: but wait, i've got sid here`
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`21:10.22`	`jariep1_`	`ok`
`21:10.30`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: sarge depends on it too`
`21:10.44`	`tarzeau`	`jariep1_: maybe etch mozilla broke? (albeit i doubt , the dependency got changed)`
`21:10.48`	`enouf`	`apt-cache show mozilla-psm?`
`21:11.07`	`jariep1_`	`ok`
`21:11.52`	`jariep1_`	`how do I i nstall the PSM module without compiling Mozilla?`
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`21:13.26`	`enouf`	`man apt-get -- and man apt-cache for searching for which package you need`
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`21:14.23`	`gpm`	`hey, how to i convert a jpeg to pdf?`
`21:15.16`	`beardy`	`gpm: The GIMP perhaps, or OpenOffice.org`
`21:15.36`	`k_ismay`	`gpm: for a command line solution try imagemagick`
`21:15.53`	`beardy`	`k_ismay: Can it output to pdf? I didn't know that..`
`21:15.53`	`jariep1_`	`enouf, thanks, I didn't realize it was so easy`
`21:16.08`	`enouf`	`jariep1: welcome ..or learn aptitude -> man aptitude`
`21:16.11`	`jariep1_`	`I guess I have never installed mozilla without SSL support before`
`21:16.14`	`gpm`	`k_ismay: haha, i assumed i'd installed that...no wonder. thanks`
`21:16.30`	`k_ismay`	`beardy: actually I don't know. I misread pdf as png`
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`21:17.15`	`enouf`	`jariep1: I adore the package mgmt abitlity/capabilties of Debian`
`21:17.24`	`k_ismay`	`just tried it, it will convert to pdf.`
`21:18.03`	`beardy`	`k_ismay: Great.`
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`21:19.23`	`gpm`	`k_ismay: yeah, convert img.jpg pdf.pdf does the job`
`21:19.31`	`zenwryly`	`anyone know of a way to get bash to echo each command in a shell script before it runs it?`
`21:19.54`	`gpm`	`zenwryly: echo the command`
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`21:19.59`	`gpm`	`echo "command"`
`21:20.01`	`stranger_stone`	`Hello :)`
`21:20.03`	`gpm`	`and then execute`
`21:20.04`	`gpm`	`command`
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`21:20.18`	`gpm`	`blah`
`21:20.22`	`gpm`	`thanks k_ismay`
`21:20.23`	`gpm`	`o/o`
`21:20.44`	`ljlolel`	`i'm thinking about moving back to debian from ubuntu`
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`21:21.37`	`ljlolel`	`should I use testing or unstable? (i want new packages like ubuntu has, but I don't like the idea of running an unstable" dist)`
`21:21.39`	`zenwryly`	`I meant more automatically, so I don't have to write every command twice and then keep it all in sync`
`21:21.39`	`beardy`	`dpkg: jpg2pdf is <reply> To get a .jpg into a .pdf, use imagemagick, or OpenOffice.org, or The GIMP (though it can only output to postscript, so you have to use ps2pdf too)`
`21:21.40`	`dpkg`	`okay, beardy`
`21:22.03`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: Yes, 'man bash', it's there.`
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`21:22.57`	`k_ismay`	`anyone know how to force apt to run with the noninteractive debconf frontend? in my case, under cfengine?`
`21:23.03`	`zenwryly`	`beardy: I've looked for it so many times before but never found it. Little more help? Text to search for? A chapter heading?`
`21:23.03`	`ljlolel`	`how bad is unstable, does it use the beta versions of all the software?`
`21:24.32`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: I would if I had remembered it myself. I've read it in the abs-guide I know..`
`21:24.36`	`beardy`	`!absg zenwryly`
`21:24.36`	`dpkg`	`zenwryly: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'.`
`21:24.52`	`k_ismay`	`ljlolel: unstable can vary from ok to broken. for servers I use sarge + backports. for a desktop try testing.`
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`21:25.06`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: #bash will know`
`21:25.51`	`ljlolel`	`okay, so say i do testing... I know ubuntu doesn't package non-free codecs like mp3, but there are programs like automatix or easyubuntu which do a lot of configuration for a desktop automatically like downloading mp3/dvd codecs`
`21:26.03`	`ljlolel`	`is it easy to set up a desktop in debian?`
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`21:27.02`	`k_ismay`	`ljlolel: i don't know if automatix or easyubuntu has equivalents under debian testing.`
`21:27.05`	`k-man`	`ljlolel, what do you mean?`
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`21:27.33`	`inimesekene`	`wich is better, debian or gentoo?`
`21:27.39`	`zenwryly`	`beardy: thanks`
`21:27.40`	`k-man`	`hehe`
`21:27.53`	`k-man`	`inimesekene, they are both good`
`21:27.58`	`k-man`	`inimesekene, define better`
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`21:28.31`	`k_ismay`	`ljlolel: as to installation, I've installed both and they seem to be fairly similar. but then I've been using debian since 2.1`
`21:28.35`	`ljlolel`	`inimesekene, definitely debian ;-), you don't want to wait for the compile`
`21:28.38`	`inimesekene`	`well... better in terms of flexiveness`
`21:28.46`	`inimesekene`	`hehe`
`21:28.55`	`ljlolel`	`k_ismay, k-man , is adding dvd support as simple as an apt-get?`
`21:29.03`	`abrotman`	`flexibility`
`21:29.17`	`inimesekene`	`yeah`
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`21:29.32`	`inimesekene`	`sorry`
`21:29.35`	`ljlolel`	`inimesekene, you can build debian from source if you want anyway`
`21:29.48`	`ljlolel`	`apt-source build .., right?`
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`21:29.56`	`inimesekene`	`i mean... .deb's aren't everywhere`
`21:30.00`	`enouf`	`zenwryly: parhaps the section in abs-guide called "31-3. Piping the output of echo to a read" (if using the index.html version use your browser's find option and search for echo)`
`21:30.00`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: If you ask #bash, let me know the answer.. haven't found it yet..`
`21:30.28`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: It's just one -? option that controls it..`
`21:30.28`	`inimesekene`	`and i have seen that some programs say the debian version is outdated etc too...`
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`21:30.54`	`ljlolel`	`inimesekene, even if there isn't a deb (and there are tooons of debs, especially with ubuntu's popularity now), you could build whatever from source in debian, which is what you would do in gentoo`
`21:31.01`	`zenwryly`	`beardy: -x or -v`
`21:31.08`	`zenwryly`	`beardy: "help set"`
`21:31.10`	`inimesekene`	`true`
`21:32.53`	`blondie`	`what?`
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`21:33.21`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: bah, yes, as simple as -v..`
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`21:34.19`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/options.html "Table 30-1. Bash options"`
`21:34.26`	`zenwryly`	`beardy: err "set -x" or "set -v"`
`21:34.47`	`abrotman`	`Excelent: try #hardware`
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`21:35.32`	`enouf`	`beardy: funny thing I noticed - abs-guide is not found in a Sid install - 'apt-cache show abs-guide' shows nothing (though I d/l the whole html file from tldp.org at an earlier date - and I use that) -- plus, on a somewhat related note: neither does 'apt-cache show pdftotext') , perhaps it's part of the 'xpdf' package ?`
`21:35.51`	`tarzeau`	`can i using sed put two lines at a place where one is?`
`21:36.22`	`beardy`	`zenwryly: 'man bash' /Print shell input lines as they are read.`
`21:36.26`	`tarzeau`	`Excelent: hp scanner are nice`
`21:36.28`	`abrotman`	`Excelent: STOP .. go to #hardware .. you're asking the wrong channel`
`21:36.39`	`enouf`	`Excelent: speak in public please`
`21:36.49`	`Excelent`	`hi all`
`21:37.00`	`Excelent`	`need a good scanner for Linux ONLY !`
`21:37.06`	`beardy`	`!sane`
`21:37.06`	`dpkg`	`Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/`
`21:37.06`	`abrotman`	`!sane`
`21:37.10`	`abrotman`	`look there`
`21:37.28`	`enouf`	`go away!`
`21:37.32`	`Excelent`	`ok`
`21:37.33`	`beardy`	`!tell Excelent about sane`
`21:37.40`	`beardy`	`Excelent: Read and do.`
`21:37.44`	`abrotman`	`oh this is good .. he'll just talk to the bot`
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`21:37.55`	`ljlolel`	`lol`
`21:38.48`	`jelly-home`	`abrotman: excellent!`
`21:39.15`	`tarzeau`	`fantastic \n works`
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`21:39.35`	`jelly-home`	`Bill and Ted's fantastic adventure? I don't think so.`
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`21:43.02`	`Mike_kayaker_`	`What is an easy way to save streaming?`
`21:45.08`	`beardy`	`dpkg: bash listing is <reply> To list every command/line on stdout before executing it in a bash script; 'bash -v script-name', or 'bash -o verbose script-name'. Also ask me about "abs-guide"`
`21:45.08`	`dpkg`	`okay, beardy`
`21:45.29`	`Excelent`	`hey!!`
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`21:46.29`	`ph00`	`does anyone know what I need to add to sources.list to get the packages php-pcntl and php-gtk-pcntl?`
`21:46.41`	`Excelent`	`i don't found , the scanner for linux :(`
`21:47.02`	`enouf`	`uh oh ...`
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`21:47.11`	`ph00`	`or, in alternative, how to convert .rpm to .deb? (but getting the repo would be best)`
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`21:49.07`	`enouf`	`ph00: man 'apt-cache' (search <pkgname>), and (show <pkgname>) ..if not available - state which version of deb you're using - do NOT mix versions (generally)`
`21:49.21`	`dabreegster`	`ph00: alien can convert rpms`
`21:49.30`	`jelly-home`	`ph00: apparently pcntl extension is compiled in in php4-cli and php5-cli packages.`
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`21:50.19`	`ph00`	`thx everyone`
`21:50.34`	`ph00`	`so basically php4-cli should do the trick?`
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`21:51.10`	`jelly-home`	`ph00: yes if you want to use it in command line.`
`21:51.53`	`ph00`	`k`
`21:51.56`	`ph00`	`thx`
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`21:52.29`	`tarzeau`	`http://xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png`
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`21:52.38`	`jelly-home`	`tarzeau: sudo?`
`21:52.43`	`tarzeau`	`jelly-home: yeah?`
`21:52.46`	`l33t`	`is gaim for aim and msn?`
`21:52.54`	`tarzeau`	`l33t: both?`
`21:52.55`	`Guerin`	`~fgi Excelent scanner+linux`
`21:52.57`	`tarzeau`	`l33t: but it sucks, try amsn`
`21:53.05`	`Guerin`	`!fgi Excelent scanner+linux`
`21:53.05`	`dpkg`	`Excelent: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=scanner+linux`
`21:53.08`	`l33t`	`ok`
`21:53.15`	`mutk`	`Excelent, Google found http://www.sane-project.org/`
`21:53.15`	`SpComb`	`could someone help Excelent out?`
`21:53.15`	`tarzeau`	`!nickometer l33t`
`21:53.17`	`dpkg`	`'l33t' is 37.000% lame, tarzeau`
`21:53.38`	`l33t`	`O_O!`
`21:53.48`	`mutk`	`Guerin, Like that :)`
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`21:53.49`	`beardy`	`Excelent: Please stop repeating that. Search the web, look at http://www.sane-project.org/ or try and ask in the channel #hardware`
`21:53.55`	`jelly-home`	`l33t: you got away with it this time, chap!`
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`21:55.46`	`benjamindees`	`what's a way to install sarge on a system with 8mb ram?`
`21:55.46`	`Guerin`	`benjamindees: take the harddisk out and put it in another box`
`21:55.48`	`SpComb`	`does the kernel fit into that?`
`21:55.48`	`Guerin`	`benjamindees: or, preferably, put some more ram in`
`21:55.48`	`enouf`	`benjamindees: install base-config and take it from there`
`21:55.54`	`Guerin`	`sarge is known to run, barely, in 4MB`
`21:55.57`	`SpComb`	`how big is the kernel uncompressed in ram?`
`21:56.00`	`SpComb`	`hmmk`
`21:56.06`	`Guerin`	`SpComb: as big as you make it`
`21:56.15`	`SpComb`	`sarge default kernel?`
`21:56.51`	`Guerin`	`SpComb: bunzip2 /yourkernel.bz2`
`21:57.53`	`beardy`	`Is sarge able to run on 8MB?`
`21:58.10`	`SpComb`	`"sarge is known to run, barely, in 4MB"`
`21:58.15`	`streuner_`	`haha`
`21:58.18`	`beardy`	`benjamindees: I run woody on a box with 8MB ram, haven't upgraded it, so I can't confirm..`
`21:58.26`	`ljlolel`	`Guerin, i doubt a computer with 8 mb ram will be very upgradeable`
`21:58.36`	`Guerin`	`in fact, i know of someone who installed it on a compaq luggable 386 sx25 with 4mb`
`21:58.42`	`ljlolel`	`wow`
`21:58.52`	`Guerin`	`ljlolel: evenb if he can get 12MB - that's what the woody installer required`
`21:58.56`	`beardy`	`SpComb: What if I don't always blindly trusts people without atleast a url reference to look at (though I mostly trust Guerin, but anyway)`
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`21:59.08`	`streuner_`	`Guerin: and on christmas its finished with swapping? ;-)`
`21:59.11`	`beardy`	`Guerin: Ok.`
`21:59.15`	`Guerin`	`benjamindees: that's fair, but I can't be arsed googling it up for you.`
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`21:59.28`	`Guerin`	`streuner_: this time of year it's more likely easter`
`22:00.09`	sgeigerb`	`This is puzzling me: I'm trying to install Debian inside Parallels via debootstrap from a LiveCD. The last step is to install the boot loader. I don't have /dev/hda, though, inside my chroot...so how can I install a boot loader?`
`22:00.50`	`streuner_`	`Guerin: next year? :-) ah, that sounds more nice...`
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`22:01.16`	`SpComb`	`perhaps someone should... poke Excelent a bit`
`22:01.29`	`beardy`	`benjamindees: Anyway, to install, install on another machine, either using the disk that is going into the 8MB machine, then move it, or as I did, install a base system, tar.gz it, boot tomsrtbt on the 8MB box, mount the /, unpack the tarball, fix things, continue with installing (dpkg takes about one, one and a half hour to run) I use about 20MB swap.`
`22:01.46`	`SpComb`	`Lamperi: kuis saket?`
`22:01.52`	`Lamperi`	`vahan kesken`
`22:02.03`	`Guerin`	`!marillat`
`22:02.03`	`dpkg`	`from memory, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location.`
`22:02.21`	`Guerin`	`oh, marillat moved`
`22:02.30`	`streuner_`	`old news`
`22:02.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`how to enable the free java (the same to debian has) for firefox ?`
`22:02.32`	`SpComb`	`please?`
`22:02.33`	`Guerin`	!fuck Excelent01`
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`22:02.49`	`SpComb`	`what's the point where you call !ops?`
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`22:03.05`	`beardy`	`Guerin: I have a /plonk alias ;)`
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`22:04.09`	`streuner_`	`Guerin: what did you expect?`
`22:04.20`	`Guerin`	`fascists`
`22:04.21`	`benjamindees`	`thank you beardy, Guerin, enouf`
`22:04.22`	`sgeigerbot`	`pulls`
`22:04.26`	`streuner_`	`haha`
`22:04.31`	`beardy`	!mhallsmite Excelent01`
`22:04.35`	`enouf`	`!mount Excelent01`
`22:04.38`	`beardy`	`(I know)`
`22:04.43`	`streuner_`	`language-f....`
`22:04.59`	`beardy`	`benjamindees: You're very welcome.`
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`22:05.28`	Excelent01`	`hmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz`
`22:05.32`	`Guerin`	`oh, i figured out how to change screen's command key to something other than C-a`
`22:05.40`	`sgeigerbot`	Excelent01`: getting sore yet?
`22:05.46`	`Guerin`	`which happens to be the command for 'go to the start of the line'`
`22:05.48`	`beardy`	`Guerin: By accident?`
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`22:05.53`	`liran_`	`hey Guerin`
`22:06.02`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: right. I use ctrl-b sometimes.`
`22:06.20`	`Guerin`	`beardy: no, it took me several hours since it's nowhere made clear that the binding C-a is BOTH command and escape`
`22:06.28`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: not an intuitive program, is it.`
`22:06.34`	`Guerin`	sgeigerbot: I use C-`
`22:06.37`	`beardy`	`Guerin: Ah.`
`22:06.50`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: still haven't figured out a better way to scroll up than going into copy mode`
`22:06.52`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: that's a good choice.`
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`22:07.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`how to enable the free java (the same to debian has) for firefox ?`
`22:07.15`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: what's wrong with going into copy mode?`
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`22:07.28`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: nothing, it's just unintuitive`
`22:07.37`	`beardy`	`Guerin: why doesn't shift-PageUp work?`
`22:07.42`	`jelly-home`	`sgeigerbot: having to press space twice to exit?`
`22:07.45`	`Guerin`	`it'd be nice to be able to hit C-pgup or something`
`22:07.56`	`Guerin`	`beardy: that scrolls the terminal up, not the screen`
`22:08.12`	`beardy`	`Guerin: Hmm, yes.`
`22:08.23`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: that works with my usual 'get out! get out!' response, which is to mash esc many times`
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`22:09.00`	`Guerin`	!ops please ban Excelent01`
`22:09.01`	`dpkg`	Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: please ban Excelent01`
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`22:09.07`	`enouf`	!fruitsmite Excelent01`
`22:09.12`	`jelly-home`	`Guerin: esc, huh? Sounds like you're coming from DOS? ;-)`
`22:09.33`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: C-a esc (copy) Enter copy/scrollback mode.`
`22:09.39`	`Guerin`	`jelly-home: it's conveniently located.`
`22:09.41`	`samuel`	`sup all`
`22:09.42`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: ...which makes me think they are one in the same.`
`22:09.50`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: yeah.`
`22:10.00`	`samuel`	`is there any way to get debian to use the rc.conf method of booting up?`
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`22:10.20`	`streuner_`	`rc.local?`
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`22:10.43`	`CHodapp`	`Anyone here using VMware on a 64-bit host?`
`22:10.48`	`streuner_`	`hm, its morning in .nz - makes sense`
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`22:11.01`	`sgeigerbot`	`GODDDAMMMNNIITTT...IIII ASSSKK A JUST A ONE QUESTIONNN. ANDA NO ONE A ANSWERA ME QUESTION.`
`22:11.17`	`streuner_`	`!tell sgeigerbot about repeat`
`22:11.24`	`samuel`	`streuner_, no, use just one directory with all daemons and the daemons set in /etc/rc.conf - not as powerfull, but definatelly simpler`
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`22:11.52`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: thanks`
`22:12.01`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: I know that.`
`22:12.16`	`streuner_`	`i know`
`22:12.19`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: I was being silly.`
`22:12.20`	`sgeigerbot`	`yes`
`22:12.24`	`streuner_`	`maybe you forgot`
`22:12.24`	`beardy`	`Guerin: "C-a esc (copy) Enter copy/scrollback mode." since that is written like that, it makes one think that another way of scrolling doesn't exist`
`22:12.43`	`sgeigerbot`	`beardy: Right, my brearded friend.`
`22:12.51`	`jelly-home`	`beardy: there's also ctrl-a [ ;-)`
`22:12.59`	`[NoX]`	`is it possible to chroot a gentoo64bits from a debian etch 32bits ?`
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`22:13.57`	`beardy`	`sgeigerbot: Yes, my botfriend.`
`22:13.58`	`sgeigerbot`	`[NoX]: What's the question?`
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`22:14.18`	`sgeigerbot`	`jelly-home: You should have seen jello. He really jiggles.`
`22:14.22`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: hm, i think it works because grub works below filesystem level`
`22:14.48`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: just make sure your chroot is mounted without nodev, and do grub-install /dev/hdx`
`22:14.53`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: what are you responding to? My original question? If so: it's not working for me.`
`22:14.57`	`Guerin`	`without nodev == with dev`
`22:15.03`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: oh, i missed that bit`
`22:15.06`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: this is inside a virtual machine.`
`22:15.20`	`[NoX]`	`sgeigerbot> i'd like to chroot a 64 bits env from a 32bits`
`22:15.29`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: I even mounted /proc out of desperation. No dice.`
`22:15.40`	`sgeigerbot`	`[NoX]: err...sorry, now I understand.`
`22:15.49`	`[NoX]`	`^^`
`22:15.58`	`sgeigerbot`	`[NoX]: I would doubt that would work.`
`22:16.01`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: oh, ok. Do you need to write the grub boot record to a particular device?`
`22:16.11`	`jelly-home`	`[NoX]: do you just want to create a chroot environment, or to run something. The latter is probably not possible.`
`22:16.13`	`Guerin`	`as in, not hda`
`22:16.23`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: yes, but the device /dev/hda doesn't exist inside the chroot.`
`22:16.35`	Kevin`	`well make it`
`22:16.37`	`[NoX]`	`to run something, yes :/`
`22:16.48`	`Guerin`	`sgeigerbot: can you write that boot record to another device and use dd to transfer it?`
`22:16.59`	`[NoX]`	`i supposed so`
`22:17.06`	`[NoX]`	`but...just in case ...`
`22:17.10`	`jelly-home`	`[NoX]: maybe with an emulator (read: SLOW)`
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`22:17.11`	`[NoX]`	`thanks anyway`
`22:17.19`	`sgeigerbot`	Kevin`: damn, you are right. I'm lame. why didn't I think of that.
`22:17.29`	Kevin`	`heh :)`
`22:17.36`	`sgeigerbot`	`Guerin: I think I just need to make the device. derrrr.`
`22:18.09`	Kevin`	`if you want to get even easier.. cp -a /dev/hd* /chroot/dev/`
`22:18.12`	`Guerin`	`duh`
`22:18.13`	`[NoX]`	`jelly> an emulator for compiling gentoo ebuild sources ... no :p`
`22:18.13`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`22:18.45`	Kevin`	`[NoX] couldn't you use a cross-compiler?`
`22:18.51`	`g333k`	`is that ok if I give 2G to / and the rest to /home and /usr ?`
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`22:19.35`	Kevin`	`debian can fit in 2gb`
`22:19.54`	`g333k`	Kevin`, without problems right?
`22:19.57`	Kevin`	`iono about a full desktop install.. /usr should be the biggest though`
`22:20.16`	`[NoX]`	Kevin`> yes...but i'd like tu use portage
`22:20.24`	`sgeigerbot`	Kevin`: any idea what the command is that I need?
`22:20.26`	`[NoX]`	`so. that's no`
`22:20.29`	`[NoX]`	`Thanks`
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`22:20.43`	Kevin`	`if you want to get even easier.. cp -a /dev/hd* /chroot/dev/`
`22:20.46`	Kevin`	`"`
`22:21.36`	`PeterB`	`Is it normal to have recursive-ish symlinks in /dev/.udev/failed/ ? An application (freepascal) doesn't start, strace tells me it wants to scan /dev and gets stuck on the recursion :(`
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`22:21.56`	`Thaiger`	`I have a network printer that I setup using cups and it prints fine in Openoffice and I can print test pages from the cups web interface, but I can't get lpr to work which means I can't print pdfs from xpdf. Any advice?`
`22:22.10`	Kevin`	`an app that recursively scans symlinks, where loops are valid, is a broken application`
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`22:22.32`	`PeterB`	`Right.`
`22:22.55`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`22:22.55`	`dpkg`	`well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
`22:23.20`	`g333k`	`Hi I'm usign partman in the debian's installer, sometimes it asks me if I want a logical/primary partition, how do I do to it ask me always?`
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`22:24.11`	Kevin`	`there are limitations on where you can put logical/primary partitions, it might not be asking because only one is valid`
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`22:24.45`	`peterS`	Excelent01`: the Canon LiDE series seem reasonable for a low price and almost no power consumption. I think all of them are supported by sane.
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`22:25.40`	`sgeigerbot`	`I'm now getting this message (after having run "sudo cp -a /dev/hda* /mnt/hda2/dev/") when I run "grub-install /dev/hda": /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. What might be wrong?`
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`22:28.30`	`peterS`	`sgeigerbot: that's a matter of /boot/grub/device.map`
`22:28.52`	`peterS`	`sgeigerbot: should have a line like "(hd0) /dev/hda"`
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`22:30.32`	`enouf`	`g333k: check the drive using 'fdisk -l /dev/hdX' to see which partitions are taken already - if 1,2,3,4 are taken then on the IDE/ATA interface, your only choice is Logicals, and that's only if you already have an Ext'd (usually as 2,3, or 4)`
`22:31.02`	`g333k`	`enouf, I just have 1 primary and 1 logical both ntfs`
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`22:31.31`	`enouf`	`g333k: if you have a logical then you have an Ext'd`
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`22:31.44`	`g333k`	`yep`
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`22:33.50`	`sgeigerbot`	`peterS: I added that and then I get this when running "grub-install /dev/hda": "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device"`
`22:33.53`	`sgeigerbot`	`What's going on now?`
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`22:34.17`	Kevin`	`it checks mount to see which devices belong to which filesystem`
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`22:35.03`	`enouf`	`g333k: maybe use the up/down arrows and select/alter the 'type' from within the installer (using Spacebar and Enter keys) ?`
`22:35.24`	`streuner_`	`sgeigerbot: careful, peterS is op nowadays...`
`22:36.22`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: That doesn't make him any less sick. Okay, he's not goatse.cx or tubgirl sick. But he's sick nevertheless.`
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`22:37.31`	`streuner_`	`:-)`
`22:37.51`	`drkwolf`	`hi, i'm trying to set a domain name with my dns server, when the domain register test my server i get this error :`
`22:38.06`	`drkwolf`	`failure : no ns reccord found on the server`
`22:38.21`	Kevin`	`drkwolf what domain, what server?`
`22:38.40`	Kevin`	`and, you have an ns record for yourself, right? :)`
`22:38.42`	`streuner_`	`sgeigerbot: thanks, but i followed the idea of Guerin... :-)`
`22:38.56`	`streuner_`	`(toast)`
`22:39.13`	`drkwolf`	Kevin`: yes i just created one
`22:39.26`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: It tastes great, less killing.`
`22:39.55`	`drkwolf`	`but i thing something wrong .... with my config`
`22:39.57`	`sgeigerbot`	`Tastes Great, Less Killing.`
`22:40.02`	`sgeigerbot`	`(tm)`
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`22:40.25`	Kevin`	`drkwolf, what server, what domain`
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`22:41.36`	`drkwolf`	Kevin`: pv ?
`22:41.40`	`streuner_`	`sgeigerbot: if there wouldn't be some butter on the toast it would be vegan`
`22:41.55`	Kevin`	`drkwolf server ns.net4all-dns.com is yours?`
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`22:43.15`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: But what was the bread made with?`
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`22:43.29`	`streuner_`	`water?`
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`22:43.43`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: perhaps with butter?`
`22:43.50`	`streuner_`	`DOH`
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`22:43.56`	`Roey`	`Hi! I've lost antialiasing in my GTK apps! Which setting do I check first?`
`22:43.59`	`streuner_`	`you're right`
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`22:44.16`	`sgeigerbot`	`streuner_: Your dreams of being almost vegan have been crushed!`
`22:44.31`	Kevin`	`drkwolf your domain seems to be working with that server.. is there another one your going to switch to? if so, what is it`
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`22:49.16`	`LinuxHelp`	`Does um OpenOffice writer 2.0.3-2 work with the sun jre? Caus I'm trying to add the sun jre to its list of jres and it's not accepting it..`
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`22:52.43`	`tarzeau`	`LinuxHelp: openoffice 2 is worst piece of thing i've ever ever seen`
`22:52.56`	`GrimWald`	`if you got the wjre version that works, in your case you may not have it (sorry for the language, I'm french)`
`22:52.59`	`tarzeau`	`LinuxHelp: actually it "works" without any java`
`22:53.18`	`tarzeau`	`Roey: can you make a screenshot?`
`22:53.37`	`tarzeau`	`LinuxHelp: the debian package? maybe it's patched to not support it?`
`22:54.00`	`LinuxHelp`	`tarzeau, other than open office, what is there really? I already use GnuMeric, but a replacement for Writer?`
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`22:54.18`	`LinuxHelp`	`GrimWald, er, I've got j2sdk 1.5`
`22:54.19`	`tarzeau`	`LinuxHelp: TextEdit.app ?`
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`22:54.58`	`sgeigerbot`	Kevin`: I'm kind of puzzled here. Any tips would be appreciated. I added "(hd0) /dev/hda" to /boto/grub/device.map and then I get this when running "grub-install /dev/hda": "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device"
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`22:55.07`	`drkwolf`	Kevin`: ns.net4all-dns.com is not mien i've another on
`22:55.12`	`GrimWald`	`you installed OOo by debian package or compiled it ?`
`22:56.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`how to enable the free java (the same to debian has) for firefox ?`
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`22:57.01`	`LinuxHelp`	`tarzeau, no I'm looking for something that I can draw nice diagrams as well, with spelling checks etc. basically everything OpenOffice Writer's got`
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`22:58.40`	`CHodapp`	`LinuxHelp, xfig is good for diagrams, but not spelling checks`
`22:59.19`	`tarzeau`	`for spellings use the ?spell`
`22:59.27`	`tarzeau`	`i think there's a spellchecker Service`
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`23:02.20`	`Bry2k200`	`i would appreciate some help if there was someone aorund who could`
`23:02.28`	`Bry2k200`	`i did a minimal install with debian`
`23:02.40`	`Bry2k200`	`now trying to add packages`
`23:02.52`	`Bry2k200`	`from root, i did apt-get install blah blah blah`
`23:03.05`	`Bry2k200`	`obviously system needs to connect to main site`
`23:03.17`	`Bry2k200`	`anyone that can point me in right direction?`
`23:03.59`	`RichiH`	`Bry2k200: what is your question?`
`23:04.07`	`GrimWald`	`^^`
`23:04.19`	`Bry2k200`	`well, when i did apte-get install and listed my poackages, it said can not find package`
`23:04.26`	`Bry2k200`	`err, apt-get`
`23:04.29`	`GrimWald`	`so`
`23:04.35`	`GrimWald`	`the package does not exist`
`23:04.49`	`Bry2k200`	`read-edid does not exist?`
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`23:05.06`	`GrimWald`	`you did apt-get update ?`
`23:05.11`	`Bry2k200`	`nope`
`23:05.16`	`Bry2k200`	`did apt-get install`
`23:05.30`	`GrimWald`	`type apt-get update`
`23:05.35`	`Bry2k200`	`i need to type apt-get update <list of packages>?`
`23:05.41`	`GrimWald`	`no`
`23:05.50`	`Bry2k200`	`just apt-get update?`
`23:05.57`	`GrimWald`	`the command update just updates your package' list`
`23:06.00`	`GrimWald`	`yeah`
`23:06.01`	`Bry2k200`	`ahh`
`23:06.03`	`Bry2k200`	`i c`
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`23:06.33`	`Bry2k200`	`still didn't work`
`23:06.34`	`Bry2k200`	`:(`
`23:06.37`	`GrimWald`	`Oo`
`23:06.40`	`Fish-Face`	`Help! My ImPS/2 mouse has gone crazy!`
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`23:06.58`	`Fish-Face`	`It and the driver appear to be having a "misunderstanding"`
`23:07.00`	`GrimWald`	`what have you got in your /etc/apt/sources.lst ?`
`23:07.01`	`zinx`	`Fish-Face: is it wireless?`
`23:07.04`	`Fish-Face`	`zinx, nope`
`23:07.17`	`zinx`	`Fish-Face: Could it be that you're using /dev/input/mice, which is actually ExplorerPS/2?`
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`23:07.21`	`Fish-Face`	`I'm almost sure it's to do with 2.6.16, which I just installed`
`23:07.39`	`Fish-Face`	`it worked fine in 2.6.15, but unfortunately I can't get back easily due to nvidia module issues`
`23:07.41`	`Bry2k200`	`hrmm`
`23:07.56`	`Bry2k200`	`typed in /etc/apt/sources.list`
`23:08.01`	`Bry2k200`	`permission denied`
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`23:08.08`	`Bry2k200`	`then edit /etc/apt/sources.list`
`23:08.16`	`Bry2k200`	`edit: command not found`
`23:08.17`	`Bry2k200`	`hehe`
`23:08.22`	`Fish-Face`	`Would it be worth trying different protocols? Would a mismatched protocol cause the cursor to jump around and make random button-clicks?`
`23:08.31`	`zinx`	`Fish-Face: It might.`
`23:08.32`	`Bry2k200`	`prolly nothing in my sources.list file, did minimal install`
`23:08.38`	`GrimWald`	`you must got root to write in /etc/apt/sources.lst`
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`23:08.46`	`Bry2k200`	`ya i am root`
`23:08.52`	`zinx`	`Fish-Face: The only other protocol you need to bother with trying is ExplorerPS/2`
`23:09.08`	`SpComb`	`GrimWald: you can't execute /etc/apt/sources.list`
`23:09.18`	`GrimWald`	`i don't want him to execute sources.lst -_-`
`23:09.27`	`Fish-Face`	`zinx, OK. if it helps, the device is /dev/input/event3`
`23:09.38`	`SpComb`	`GrimWald: guess what he tried to do?`
`23:10.02`	`Bry2k200`	`with edit i just was hoping i could list`
`23:10.14`	`SpComb`	Bry2k200: `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` the `` notation means something you have to type into the terminal
`23:10.24`	`SpComb`	`also, are you connected to the net?`
`23:10.38`	`Bry2k200`	`lol....ya i'm connected`
`23:10.45`	`SpComb`	`checked?`
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`23:10.48`	`SpComb`	`ping google.com`
`23:10.56`	`Bry2k200`	`pinged yahoo`
`23:10.57`	`Bry2k200`	`:P`
`23:11.03`	`GrimWald`	`i understood 'typed in' as 'tried to write in' I haven't a good english :x`
`23:11.42`	`SpComb`	`typing means interacting with the keyboard`
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`23:11.56`	`SpComb`	`Bry2k200: so what does the cat give?`
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`23:12.29`	`yesyall`	`hi, are any of you using the accelerated nvidia drivers with Etch? I've followed a set of instructions for manual installation of the .run file, but it appears as though the modules won't compile due to incorrect gcc version`
`23:12.35`	`Bry2k200`	`i'm sorry the cat?`
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`23:12.37`	`yesyall`	`is there a way to remedy this?`
`23:12.53`	`yesyall`	`Bry2k200: man cat`
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`23:13.09`	`Bry2k200`	`thanks but i still don't understand`
`23:13.20`	`yesyall`	`your loss`
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`23:13.26`	`GrimWald`	`just type 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'`
`23:13.33`	`MatBoy`	`what is the best setting somewhere to keep a SSH-session alive ?`
`23:13.36`	`Bry2k200`	`yesyall; thanks`
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`23:14.28`	`Bry2k200`	`shit how do i end this thing from pinging`
`23:14.29`	`Fish-Face`	`OK, Explorerblahdeblah doesn't work either`
`23:14.33`	`yukonbob`	`I've got a box running etch, but I want (well, don't want, but need) to run webmin on it, but the etch apt repositories don't have it yet... can I just add sarge to my sources.list and grab it from there w/o problems, or will having two diff't versions listed lead to problems?`
`23:14.39`	`GrimWald`	`ctrl + c`
`23:14.44`	`MatBoy`	`Bry2k200, ctrl+c ?`
`23:14.49`	`Fish-Face`	`It's still hopping around like a kangaroo on steroids`
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`23:15.05`	`Fish-Face`	`It interferes with the other mouse, some of the time, even upside down`
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`23:15.25`	`Bry2k200`	`sources.list just has my cdrom and security sites`
`23:15.27`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: right, neither protocol ImPS/2 and ExplorerPS/2 will work for /dev/input/event*`
`23:15.29`	`MatBoy`	`other question... is there a possibility to keep a SSH session alive ? after some time I always get disconnects :(`
`23:15.39`	`yesyall`	`mmirko: serveralivecountmasx?`
`23:15.43`	`yesyall`	`MatBoy: ^`
`23:15.49`	`yesyall`	`MatBoy: do it on the client end`
`23:15.49`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: those require their own protocol, known as 'evdev', and in fact require a separate X driver, not the 'mouse' one`
`23:15.56`	`MatBoy`	`yesyall, in the sshclient sessing ?`
`23:15.58`	`MatBoy`	`setting`
`23:16.21`	`yesyall`	`MatBoy: in the global ssh_config, or ~/.ssh/config`
`23:16.32`	`Fish-Face`	`peterS, is this as of 2.6.16, because I could swear it was working fine this morning :)`
`23:16.45`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: 'man evdev' for details, and make sure the xserver-xorg-input-evdev package is installed`
`23:16.48`	`GrimWald`	`Bry2k200 you can add this in a new line : 'deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main'`
`23:16.56`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: this is not new. if it was working before and isn't working now, something else happened`
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`23:17.15`	`Bry2k200`	`using etch, still fine with stable main?`
`23:17.23`	`GrimWald`	`no, unstable`
`23:17.27`	`Bry2k200`	`okie`
`23:17.41`	`Fish-Face`	`peterS, I'll check, but evdev should be around, since my wacom tablet (uses the wacom module) works good`
`23:18.00`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: it's possible that eventN got renumbered on you`
`23:18.20`	`SpComb`	`GrimWald: shouldn't that be testing? :/`
`23:18.30`	`MatBoy`	`yesyall, is it automaticly taken over by a running ssh-session ?`
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`23:18.41`	`Fish-Face`	`peterS, i've checked and used all of the files in /dev/input/ that respond to wigglage`
`23:18.49`	`Fish-Face`	`and rebooted`
`23:18.51`	`Bry2k200`	`so 'deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main'`
`23:18.52`	`GrimWald`	`no`
`23:18.53`	`Bry2k200`	`??`
`23:18.56`	`Bry2k200`	`okie`
`23:19.06`	`SpComb`	`Bry2k200: I have a "deb http://ftp.jyu.fi/debian/ etch main", that's a finnish debian mirror`
`23:19.09`	`GrimWald`	`testing are the latest packages, they are in etch when ther ayre unstable`
`23:19.11`	`Bry2k200`	`�debhelper� command not found`
`23:19.16`	`Bry2k200`	`woops`
`23:19.24`	`Bry2k200`	`.deb: command not found`
`23:19.25`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: well, assuming you're using Driver "evdev", you shouldn't need a Protocol line at all`
`23:19.27`	`SpComb`	`GrimWald: isn't it the other way around?`
`23:19.31`	`SpComb`	`!unstable`
`23:19.31`	`dpkg`	`unstable is, like, the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq.`
`23:19.40`	`GrimWald`	`deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main << i have this`
`23:19.41`	`Fish-Face`	`peterS, well, the driver is "mouse" at the moment`
`23:19.52`	`Fish-Face`	`It's a generic ImExPS/2 mouse, according to dmesg`
`23:20.01`	`Fish-Face`	`any ideas on what drivers to try?`
`23:20.01`	`SpComb`	`!testing`
`23:20.02`	`dpkg`	`A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release.`
`23:20.05`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: "mouse" never worked with /dev/input/eventN. apparently you were using /dev/input/mice and the kernel 'mousedev' driver.`
`23:20.31`	`GrimWald`	`i shut the fuck up.`
`23:20.34`	`Fish-Face`	`nope, I've /definitely/ been using mouse and /dev/input/eventN (3, to be exact)`
`23:20.37`	`Bry2k200`	`lol`
`23:20.46`	`Fish-Face`	`I've not changed xorg.conf for ages, and that's what it was when I looked in it`
`23:20.51`	`Bry2k200`	`so how do i add it to my repositories?`
`23:20.52`	`SpComb`	`Bry2k200: if it's etch, you want testing :)`
`23:20.54`	`Fish-Face`	`Unless my brain's gone crraaaazy`
`23:21.00`	`Bry2k200`	`thanks d00d`
`23:21.09`	`Bry2k200`	`.deb: command not found`
`23:21.18`	`SpComb`	`the current stable is sarge, testing is etch and unstable is... something else that you don't want to use`
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`23:21.38`	`SpComb`	Bry2k200: `nano /etc/apt/sources.list`, that gives you a nice text editor you can use
`23:21.43`	`Bry2k200`	`k`
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`23:22.19`	`Fish-Face`	`rogue mouse shut down XChat ><`
`23:22.22`	`Bry2k200`	`ahh very nice and easy`
`23:22.23`	`Bry2k200`	`hehe`
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`23:23.08`	`Fish-Face`	`OK, that's not funny`
`23:23.10`	`peterS`	`poor Fish-Face`
`23:23.20`	`Fish-Face`	`><`
`23:23.38`	`Fish-Face`	`It seems to happen when I switch to a VT`
`23:24.12`	`SpComb`	Bry2k200: after you add that, do a `apt-get update`, that should give you the new list of packets, then you can apt-get install stuff
`23:24.24`	`Bry2k200`	`i did`
`23:24.30`	`Bry2k200`	`still doesn't see read-edid`
`23:24.30`	`Fish-Face`	`anyways... you have any hints as to which driver modules to try?`
`23:24.31`	`Bry2k200`	`:/`
`23:24.37`	`SpComb`	`!read-edid`
`23:24.37`	`dpkg`	`read-edid is, like, hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors`
`23:24.50`	`Bry2k200`	`hrmm....using a lappy`
`23:25.01`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: either use "mouse" and /dev/input/mice and ExplorerPS/2 and the kernel module 'mousedev' ... or load the kernel module 'evdev' and read 'man 4 evdev'`
`23:25.11`	`Bry2k200`	`should be using something for an LCD noi?`
`23:25.28`	`SpComb`	`no such package exists in etch...`
`23:25.36`	`SpComb`	`I have no clue what you are trying to do :)`
`23:25.39`	`Bry2k200`	`ok so forget about read-edid?`
`23:25.41`	`Bry2k200`	`lol`
`23:25.42`	`Bry2k200`	`okie`
`23:25.42`	`Fish-Face`	`OK... no manpage for evdeve`
`23:25.44`	`Fish-Face`	`intriguing`
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`23:25.59`	`peterS`	`SpComb: it certainly appears to me like it's in etch`
`23:26.11`	`SpComb`	`terom@zapotekII:~$ apt-cache search read edid`
`23:26.11`	`SpComb`	`terom@zapotekII:~$`
`23:26.33`	`peterS`	`maybe 'rmadison read-edid' lies, then?`
`23:26.40`	`SpComb`	`anyways, I must go to sleep now, best of luck`
`23:26.41`	`Bry2k200`	`damn`
`23:26.43`	`Greg0`	`hola`
`23:26.45`	`Bry2k200`	`couldn't find mdetect`
`23:26.52`	`Greg0`	`alguien habla spain`
`23:27.00`	`Bry2k200`	`ugh`
`23:27.01`	`Bry2k200`	`okie`
`23:27.01`	`peterS`	`!es`
`23:27.01`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`23:27.09`	`GrimWald`	`mdetect and read-edid are only used by the base-config`
`23:27.23`	`GrimWald`	`you do not have to use them`
`23:27.24`	`Greg0`	`ok`
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`23:27.27`	`Bry2k200`	`okie`
`23:27.28`	`Dan01`	`Hi al`
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`23:27.51`	`Dan01`	`you guys reckon it would be okay to write a shell script for setting up a bridge?`
`23:28.12`	`peterS`	`Bry2k200: I note that read-edid claims to support only i386, not amd64 or powerpc`
`23:28.12`	`Dan01`	`so i could just exec it and it will setup br0 etc`
`23:28.15`	`Fish-Face`	`peterS, handlers listed in proc: event3 ts1 mouse1`
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`23:28.44`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: right so that means you have the 'mousedev' and 'evdev' kernel modules both loaded. take your pick which one to go with`
`23:29.08`	`Bry2k200`	`peterS; i'm using an old lappy from 2k3`
`23:29.53`	`MatBoy`	`thanks yesyall`
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`23:30.04`	`Fish-Face`	`peterS, so I take it that /dev/input/mice is all the /dev/input/mouse* amalgamated?`
`23:30.11`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: right`
`23:30.16`	`peterS`	`poor guy`
`23:30.29`	`Bry2k200`	`it's a P3 1.2 gigger`
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`23:30.46`	`Fish-Face`	`><`
`23:30.50`	`Fish-Face`	`I may have missed your reply, peterS`
`23:31.07`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: I just said yes, mice == all of mouse* combined`
`23:31.31`	`peterS`	`then when I saw you quit, I said "poor guy"`
`23:31.35`	`Fish-Face`	`:D`
`23:31.48`	`Fish-Face`	`kk, well, I'm quitting on purpose this time :P`
`23:31.51`	`Fish-Face`	`wish me luck ><`
`23:31.54`	`peterS`	`!bless Fish-Face`
`23:31.55`	`dpkg`	`O $DEITY, bless your child Fish-Face, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen.`
`23:32.48`	`Dan01`	`fishy lol`
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`23:32.54`	`Fish-Face`	`score!`
`23:33.08`	`Fish-Face`	`Dammit, you didn't fix the scrollwheel`
`23:33.12`	`peterS`	`I didn't?`
`23:33.19`	`Fish-Face`	`That's what you get for a �7, no-name mouse though`
`23:33.23`	`Dan01`	`:P`
`23:33.27`	`Dan01`	`dude`
`23:33.32`	`Fish-Face`	`hehe, it's a hardware problem I think`
`23:33.35`	`Dan01`	`its probably your system config?`
`23:33.41`	`Dan01`	`oh`
`23:33.47`	`Fish-Face`	`You try and scroll down, and about 25% of scrolls are up`
`23:33.50`	`peterS`	`Fish-Face: quite probably - modern PS/2 and USB mice with kernel 'mousedev' support are very nearly foolproof`
`23:34.00`	`Fish-Face`	`It's /really/ annoying`
`23:34.16`	`Fish-Face`	`You try and scroll a tab, or a workspace - bang! you ended up in the OTHER adjacent workspace`
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`23:34.25`	`peterS`	`well, it's possibly a software bug, but if so it's a pretty weird one, as the rest of the world hasn't noticed it`
`23:34.37`	`Fish-Face`	`I blame the mouse, whatever it is`
`23:34.41`	`peterS`	`nod`
`23:34.45`	`peterS`	`and now I must leave`
`23:34.49`	`Fish-Face`	`It's annoying that it's enough to render the scrollwheel useless`
`23:34.55`	`Fish-Face`	`and as the primary function of this mouse is for games`
`23:35.04`	`Fish-Face`	`because they always screw up the sensitivity on the tablet`
`23:35.07`	`peterS`	`try swapping another mouse in if you have one sitting around, see if it makes a difference`
`23:35.11`	`Fish-Face`	`you can't use the wheel to select weapons`
`23:35.18`	`Fish-Face`	`peterS, could well do that`
`23:35.19`	`benjamindees`	`what tool(s) can I use to access CMOS BIOS flash chips in debian?`
`23:35.29`	`Fish-Face`	`Anyhoos, cheers for your help`
`23:35.32`	`peterS`	`np`
`23:35.44`	`Fish-Face`	`Makes me wonder whether I was blind or illiterate when I looked at xorg.conf before`
`23:35.48`	`Fish-Face`	`or just damn stupid`
`23:36.04`	`Fish-Face`	`See y'all`
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`23:36.49`	`peterS`	`benjamindees: don't know offhand, but this guy had to do some bios hacking / reflashing awhile back - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ - I don't remember how long ago he did this, you may have to browse awhile`
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`23:38.48`	`tarzeau`	`piece of shit firefox crashes when i have 20 tabs open`
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`23:39.04`	`NoPlan`	`Hi all`
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`23:39.53`	`NoPlan`	`I know this is not the right channel, but I was wondering if anyone here could help me out with some questions about CVS?`
`23:40.22`	`jetwork`	`you should probably just ask`
`23:40.24`	`tarzeau`	`NoPlan: just ask`
`23:41.00`	`NoPlan`	`Well, I have a local copy of a CVS tree here (a tar.gz). I untarred and now I have a whole truckload of <somename>,v Files.`
`23:41.25`	`NoPlan`	`is there a tool I can use to get some version statistics out of that collection?`
`23:41.34`	`Bry2k200`	`ok i've added repositories, but when i do apt-get update it only updates my security repos`
`23:41.51`	`NoPlan`	`I have found "statcvs", but it requires "checked out modules".`
`23:41.54`	`Bry2k200`	`does anyone have some time to help me with repositories?`
`23:42.07`	`NoPlan`	`Can I check out from a local copy? And how would I do that?`
`23:42.09`	`jetwork`	`re-edit the sources but this time don't mess up`
`23:42.32`	`jetwork`	`http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list <--an example, Bry2k200`
`23:42.40`	`Bry2k200`	`jetwork; my repositories look exactly like this`
`23:42.42`	`Bry2k200`	`ok`
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`23:42.53`	`ljlolel`	`say i separate my /home and / directories on different partitions, how much space should I leave open for /`
`23:43.22`	`jetwork`	`4-20 g depending`
`23:43.26`	`eldowan`	`ljlolel: ideally, enough to accomidate any growth in the future.`
`23:43.28`	`NoPlan`	`Bry2k200: the file should not be too large. What do the lines that begin with "deb" say?`
`23:43.32`	`GrimWald`	`10 is good`
`23:43.38`	`Bry2k200`	`i got it figured out`
`23:43.47`	`Bry2k200`	`was putting #debian deb to start`
`23:43.54`	`Bry2k200`	`works great looks like now`
`23:44.04`	`NoPlan`	`Bry2k200: Congratulations then.`
`23:44.18`	`ljlolel`	`i guess 10 sounds right -- i was thinking about symlinking any configs and programs i hand-compiled from / to /home`
`23:44.42`	`Bry2k200`	`NoPlan; thanks for the kudos`
`23:44.42`	`NoPlan`	`So is there a way to get cvs info out of a local copy of a CVS repository?`
`23:44.43`	`Bry2k200`	`:P`
`23:45.08`	`eldowan`	`ljlolel: you could always use LVM and grow / in the future.`
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`23:45.33`	`ljlolel`	`eldowan, whoa, thats amazing, how can you grow the partition?`
`23:46.22`	`eldowan`	`ljlolel: Well, I believe it is FS dependant. I know reiser can be grown and shrunk. I'm not sure about ext?, etc.`
`23:46.49`	`ljlolel`	`hm, sounds complicated`
`23:47.09`	`ljlolel`	`i'll just stick with 10g`
`23:47.19`	`ljlolel`	`is it a good idea to encrypt /home?`
`23:47.58`	`NoPlan`	`ljlolel: depends on what you put in it :)`
`23:48.07`	`GrimWald`	`^^`
`23:48.10`	`eldowan`	`ljlolel: is there a need to encrypt? If it is just a PC that you use, probably not, unless you have information you'd rather not let out...`
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`23:48.18`	`ljlolel`	`lol`
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`23:48.23`	`ljlolel`	`doesn't everyone?`
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`23:48.48`	`eldowan`	`ljlolel: I really don't keep really personal data on my system.`
`23:49.11`	`eldowan`	`but I imagine if I did, I'd probably try to keep it to a seperate partition so I could use /home if I lost the key...`
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`23:50.08`	`ljlolel`	`looks like ext3 isn't compatible with lvm: http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1732&`
`23:50.25`	`hjubal`	`night`
`23:50.28`	`ljlolel`	`eldowan, good idea`
`23:50.40`	`GrimWald`	`i do got a separate encrypted partition without automount for a certain kind of datas, and my home is another partition, i don't think you should encrypt home ^^`
`23:50.46`	`eldowan`	`ljlolel: ext3 is compatible with LVM. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html`
`23:50.54`	`pab`	`hmm I use ext3 on lvm but not for root`
`23:50.55`	`GrimWald`	`(sorry for my english -_-)`
`23:51.11`	`ljlolel`	`nvm then`
`23:51.14`	`eldowan`	`GrimWald: Of course there are those that encrypt / ...`
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`23:51.40`	`GrimWald`	`:)`
`23:51.54`	`MatBoy`	`do I need to use ServerAliveInterval or ProtocolKeepAlives for debian ? ProtocolKeepAlives should be for debian instead of ServerAliveInterval`
`23:52.36`	`eldowan`	`ljlolel: If I remember correctly, once LVM is initialized, the partitions see the LVs as /dev devices. Any fs should work.`
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`23:54.31`	`yesyall`	`have any of you installed nvidia drivers on etch lately? I've consulted multiple non-debian-way guides, but it appears that i can't compile the module due to an incompatible (too new) gcc version`
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`23:55.03`	`tuv`	`will the in-kernel ipw2200 modules get updated any time soon? the 1.0.8 is old and unstable when operating in wpa2 mode`
`23:55.34`	`MatBoy`	`tuv, wpa2 can be hacked also`
`23:55.40`	`MatBoy`	`so specify on HW-address`
`23:55.54`	`tuv`	`MatBoy, is that a reason for using wep for example?`
`23:56.08`	`Guerin`	`peterS: cplay is broken in etch`
`23:56.24`	Kevin`	`MatBoy hw address can be spoofed easier then wpa2`
`23:56.26`	`tuv`	`MatBoy, your root passwd can be hacked also`
`23:56.29`	`eldowan`	`yesyall: try CC=ver; <nvidia installer>`
`23:56.32`	`MatBoy`	`tuv, simple is that you can break it... so why try to use it when you signal is lowering... OK, a linksys can be booested :)`
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`23:56.37`	Kevin`	`you know what can't be very easily? wpa-enterprise`
`23:56.50`	Kevin`	`and you can use normal passwords too, yay`
`23:56.51`	`kdean06`	`How does one specify a different defaul C compiler?`
`23:56.56`	`eldowan`	`yesyall: If that doesn't work, change the symlink for gcc to gcc.X-xx or something like that`
`23:56.59`	`MatBoy`	Kevin`, spoofing a HWaddress is not common these days anymore
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`23:57.22`	Kevin`	`MatBoy if I had to do it to get around your filter, it would be trivial to do`
`23:57.23`	`tuv`	`MatBoy, i've been using wpa2 for a while without any signal problems, but that's not the point. the version in the kernel is outdated and unstable and should be updated`
`23:57.25`	`Xenguy`	`kdean06: export cc=blah ?`
`23:57.32`	Kevin`	`the easiest part of the pointless process :)`
`23:57.37`	Kevin`	`(i'd go next door)`
`23:57.58`	`Xenguy`	`kdean06: I'm actually not sure - just a shot`
`23:58.08`	`tuv`	`MatBoy, and it's well known that wpa2 is at least far more difficult to break than all the alternatives`
`23:58.13`	`MatBoy`	Kevin`, did you know most hackers don;t even use it anymore ?
`23:58.25`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: I think that is about right. cc=foo`
`23:58.37`	`eldowan`	`mabye it is CC=foo though. ;/`
`23:58.44`	Kevin`	`MatBoy I use wep, static :)`
`23:58.44`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: How did the transcoding go?`
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`23:58.59`	`MatBoy`	Kevin`, I mean spoofing
`23:59.06`	Kevin`	`oh, no, I didn't`
`23:59.13`	Kevin`	`I would if I were them`
`23:59.16`	`Xenguy`	`eldowan: oh gawd, no where near that mission yet -- so many projects, and so little time y'know :-)`
`23:59.17`	Kevin`	`mac addresses can be looked up`
`23:59.27`	`MatBoy`	Kevin`, they just install a keylogger or something like it
`23:59.31`	`MatBoy`	`mucht more easier`
`23:59.35`	`MatBoy`	`-t`
`23:59.49`	Kevin`	`most 'hackers' are what we call script kiddies :)`
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`23:59.56`	`Xenguy`	`kdean06: yeah, use caps -> export CC=blah`
`23:59.58`	`eldowan`	`Xenguy: Oh I know. :)`

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