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| 00:00.25 | MatBoy | Kevin`, so, you get it... they will crack your WEP faster than you HWaddress with spoofing :) |
| 00:00.25 | eldowan | script kiddies... |
| 00:00.48 | Kevin` | actually I use mac filtering too.. I allow only web access to unknown clients |
| 00:01.15 | Kevin` | kinda gets annoying when I can't log in with ssh to add a client, heh :) |
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| 00:01.15 | MatBoy | Kevin`, that is DAMN BAD secure :p |
| 00:01.21 | Xenguy | eldowan: there's another project: researching fool-proof secure wireless ;-) |
| 00:01.21 | MatBoy | unknown clients :p |
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| 00:01.37 | Xenguy | .oO(If such a things exists) |
| 00:01.48 | tuv | Xenguy, there is nothing as such.. there is always a way |
| 00:01.59 | eldowan | Xenguy: When you finda fool-proof secure wired network, let me know :) |
| 00:02.19 | tuv | Xenguy, hackers will always keep security people in business |
| 00:02.21 | tuv | :) |
| 00:02.22 | MatBoy | eldowan, one with vpn with RSA :) |
| 00:02.22 | eldowan | nothing can be fool-proof, because fools are do damned clever. |
| 00:02.23 | Kevin` | what your job is is to make sure that way needs a years worth of processing power to crack a key that's use for 10 minutes :) |
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| 00:02.29 | espacio | hello everybody! |
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| 00:02.47 | benjamindees | quantum key encryption over fiber |
| 00:02.50 | eldowan | MatBoy: That would require a VPN at every station? |
| 00:03.00 | Xenguy | tuv eldowan yeah, I think it would take something like openswan, or heavy duty encryption of some kind (VPN's etc.) -- but I still just runs cables, so I'm not there yet :-) |
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| 00:03.21 | MatBoy | eldowan, so ? you wanted a secure enviroment... do you know how most Coporate Companies manage that ?... that way :D |
| 00:03.22 | gre1 | im xserver what option would i select for an geforce card? |
| 00:03.29 | gre1 | in* |
| 00:03.29 | Kevin` | openswan does ipsec, or pp2p? |
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| 00:03.42 | eldowan | MatBoy: I'll give that point. |
| 00:03.55 | tuv | guys.. i was asking about the kernel's ipw2200, any news about it getting updated? |
| 00:03.57 | Kevin` | tp |
| 00:03.57 | MatBoy | eldowan, thanks you :P |
| 00:04.01 | eldowan | I use openvpn with aes 256/512 or something. |
| 00:04.02 | espacio | can someone help me? |
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| 00:04.21 | Kevin` | I just use openvpn, too |
| 00:04.25 | Xenguy | Kevin`: openswan comes from freeswan, which was ipsec (but haven't checked in in quite awhile) |
| 00:04.30 | Kevin` | partly because it supports tcp |
| 00:04.42 | gre1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.44 | eldowan | MatBoy: I was trying to make the point that any network is mostly open, except a few tunnels. |
| 00:04.54 | Xenguy | espacio: ask |
| 00:04.55 | MatBoy | Kevin`, as long as you don;t know the difference between known and unknown.... it's not needed :p |
| 00:05.07 | MatBoy | eldowan, yep |
| 00:05.10 | MatBoy | that is true |
| 00:05.11 | eldowan | that you could go into a corporate env. and still get on and use the network as a rouge |
| 00:05.22 | tuv | hmm.. my gnome stopped browsing new media automatically.. any reason for it to do so? related options in "Preferences" are OK |
| 00:05.28 | gre1 | anyone? |
| 00:05.38 | Kevin` | MatBoy I do it because if someone cracks my web and trys to access they 'net, it'll work, and they will probably stop at that |
| 00:05.43 | Kevin` | wep* |
| 00:05.44 | espacio | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.46 | eldowan | gre1: nv or vesa |
| 00:05.56 | eldowan | gre1: nvidia if you have installed the binary drivers |
| 00:05.59 | MatBoy | eldowan, do you know why ? Most Windows administrators are damn bad, slow and don;t want to go deep into it |
| 00:06.14 | Xenguy | gre1: vesa is 'lowest common denominator' |
| 00:06.19 | tuv | gre1, nv, or install nvidia non-free drivers |
| 00:06.31 | gre1 | how? |
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| 00:07.04 | Xenguy | gre1: there's a Ubuntu HOWTO for nvidia drivers |
| 00:07.05 | eldowan | MatBoy: Even in a linux / mac / unix env, I imagine one could still plug a cat5 into a rouge laptop and start using the network, if intranet only... |
| 00:07.17 | gre1 | ok |
| 00:07.18 | Xenguy | !nvidia > gre1 |
| 00:07.19 | Kevin` | MatBoy if someone were to hack my network and start abusing things, i'd probably notice within a week or so and change the key :) |
| 00:07.33 | Xenguy | !nvidia |
| 00:07.33 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 00:07.34 | tuv | actually gnome stopped mounting my cds when i insert them. any reason for it to do so |
| 00:07.43 | Kevin` | or go to 802.1x with dynamic keys |
| 00:07.46 | CHodapp | I'm on AMD64 Debian... where can I find some of the libraries that belong in lib32? |
| 00:07.54 | CHodapp | primarily X-related ones |
| 00:08.02 | tuv | ? |
| 00:08.04 | MatBoy | Kevin`, you 3com with 3XP processors |
| 00:08.22 | eldowan | tuv: corrupt registry? |
| 00:08.35 | Kevin` | MatBoy what? |
| 00:08.47 | tuv | eldowan, what registry? am i being chased by a registry from the windows world? |
| 00:08.52 | MatBoy | Kevin`, 256Bit encryption from card to card |
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| 00:09.11 | Kevin` | oh i'm not gonna buy a proprietary solution for all my wireless stuff |
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| 00:09.26 | Kevin` | I can use plenty secure wireless with what I have now, if I needed to |
| 00:09.28 | MatBoy | Kevin`, that is wired |
| 00:09.48 | eldowan | tuv: I was just being an ass. |
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| 00:10.11 | MatBoy | eldowan, as long as you be someting it's OK :p |
| 00:10.11 | Heston | what is the device node for usb ports? |
| 00:10.12 | Kevin` | MatBoy that 3com card is supported in linux? |
| 00:10.28 | Kevin` | is it made in pci form, compact flash form, cardbus form, and usb? |
| 00:10.28 | tuv | eldowan, you were good at it ;) |
| 00:10.33 | MatBoy | Kevin`, yep... I thought the encryption also |
| 00:10.39 | eldowan | thanks tuv |
| 00:10.43 | Kevin` | even if it was, I have a device or 2 with embedded wireless |
| 00:10.47 | Kevin` | that wouldn't work |
| 00:10.48 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 00:10.49 | tuv | eldowan, you're welcome |
| 00:11.07 | MatBoy | Kevin`, encrypt that signal too with a zyxell or something :P |
| 00:11.21 | MatBoy | or your own build AP :) |
| 00:11.37 | Kevin` | what's zyxell |
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| 00:12.39 | Kevin` | zyxell.co.uk, nxdomain |
| 00:13.38 | Kevin` | i'm afraid of one of you hacking my network now |
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| 00:13.45 | Kevin` | i'll have to make it betterer soon |
| 00:13.56 | espacio | what's the command to grep some columns of an archive? |
| 00:14.02 | Heston | dmesg says my usb device is at hiddev96, however that doesnt seem to be in /dev/ |
| 00:14.12 | eldowan | Kevin`: just dont kame it to gooderer for us lowly guys. |
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| 00:15.48 | CHodapp | We have a guy at work whose nickname is "Gooder" . . . when he was a new guy, they told him to grease the forks on a forklift, i.e. so they could slide in and out of the truck more easily, but instead he just covered the tips of the forks in grease and said "There, now it will work a lot more gooder!" |
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| 00:16.06 | Guerin | peterS: nope, aptitude seems to have fixed itself |
| 00:16.17 | Xenguy | espacio: I'm not sure what your questions means - can't you just do a regular grep? |
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| 00:16.44 | eldowan | CHodapp: One of the guys here routinely uses gooderer, betterer, more gooderer, etc... |
| 00:16.56 | CHodapp | nice.......er...er |
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| 00:18.04 | yesyall | eldowan: thanks, i'll try i |
| 00:18.05 | yesyall | t |
| 00:18.50 | espacio | I have a file with some columns |
| 00:18.50 | eldowan | ok |
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| 00:19.06 | sussudio | http://www.dragonsteelmods.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=351&Itemid=1 < maxtor maxtor maxtor maxtor mushroom(cloud) mushroom(cloud) |
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| 00:19.36 | espacio | I want the command like tail or head but for filter some columns |
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| 00:20.10 | infernix | those damned hackers from brasil. is it just me or does 90% of other people's hacks (whether succesful or not) originate from .br? |
| 00:20.24 | eldowan | espacio: try awk |
| 00:20.38 | eldowan | espacio: or grep -o |
| 00:21.06 | espacio | no, there is a command for it but I don't remmeber it |
| 00:21.41 | eldowan | espacio: you probably need to explain a little more. |
| 00:21.57 | espacio | It's like sort |
| 00:22.10 | espacio | It's like command sort |
| 00:22.12 | jetscreamer | OH THANK GOD I'M HOME ON LINUX |
| 00:22.41 | espacio | but it's a column filter |
| 00:23.20 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: you need freenx client at work ;-) |
| 00:23.23 | liable | Excelent01`: check sane home page |
| 00:23.26 | jetscreamer | Excelent01`: you've already said that |
| 00:23.28 | infernix | question: whereabouts would I go to find all network blocks that originate from a specific country? |
| 00:24.01 | jetscreamer | internic |
| 00:24.02 | infernix | I am looking to completely filter brasil in my iptables. |
| 00:24.05 | benjamindees | Excelent01`, you want someone to give you a scanner? |
| 00:24.21 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 00:24.26 | jetscreamer | arin.net is something |
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| 00:24.52 | jetscreamer | infernix: try http://arin.net/ maybe |
| 00:24.58 | RichiH | !seen jm_ |
| 00:24.58 | dpkg | jm_ <flier@mindwipe.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 10h 52m 13s ago, saying: 'Bash: try synergy'. |
| 00:25.02 | infernix | just a whois server wouldnt cut it. i cant possibly whois all netblocks and grep on .br |
| 00:25.04 | jetscreamer | might at least be a clue |
| 00:25.05 | yesyall | eldowan: did you use that method to get nvidia on your etch system? |
| 00:25.26 | stew | Excelent01`: what do you mean? |
| 00:25.28 | infernix | i'll try lacnic.net |
| 00:25.39 | Heston | how do you find the device node for a usb device? |
| 00:25.55 | infernix | Heston: lsusb? |
| 00:26.06 | eldowan | yesyall: I think I removed the gcc symlink. then pointed it to the version the binary wanted. Then remade the original symlink after installation. |
| 00:26.15 | RichiH | hrmpf |
| 00:26.16 | RichiH | !test |
| 00:26.16 | dpkg | No, richih, you're not online any more. |
| 00:26.27 | RichiH | 02:24:31 -bukowski(n=Fedor@88.234.56.242)- jm_ is not on my data base for freenode |
| 00:26.35 | RichiH | bukowski: can you turn that off, please? |
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| 00:26.55 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 00:27.14 | Alexismoy | I'v got a problème, I'v just installed a debian sarge, and I made an dist-upgrade for testing |
| 00:27.21 | Heston | infernix, lsusb gives "Bus 001 Device 005: ID 051d:0002" for instance, i need the device node, id /dev/blah |
| 00:27.24 | Alexismoy | But I'v got a problem with udev |
| 00:27.36 | yesyall | eldowan: i got it to compile fine, and modprobe doesn't spit out any errors. I just noticed, though, that nvidia-kernel was installable.. does that negate what I just accomplished? |
| 00:27.38 | infernix | heston: depends on what kind of device itis |
| 00:28.00 | Heston | infernix, a ups |
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| 00:28.24 | eldowan | yesyall: I'm not sure about the nvidia-kernel. Last time I tried from the repos, it failed quite badly. |
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| 00:28.38 | infernix | heston: then you'd need to know what kind of hardware it has. probably a serial port, so you might need usb serial port drivers loaded. |
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| 00:29.13 | jetscreamer | my god that Excelent01` is spamming that in #linux also |
| 00:29.22 | Alexismoy | udev want a kernel more recent, but I can't apt-get install a kernel more recent, because It try to setup udev that wants the kernel more recent... |
| 00:29.26 | infernix | heston: the info on which devices are created should end up in /var/log/syslog, or perhaps just type dmesg. |
| 00:29.31 | Heston | infernix, it's usb as i already said and comes up in lsusb, i need the damn /dev/device0 device node |
| 00:29.36 | liable | Heston: install a newer kernel first, reboot into it, then dist-upgrade |
| 00:29.44 | Alexismoy | Is there any possibility (other than set-up a kernel manually) |
| 00:29.44 | liable | hrm |
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| 00:30.02 | Heston | dmesg gives me "hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device" which still doesnt help |
| 00:30.14 | infernix | heston: i just told you what needs to be done. you can plug in a million usb devices, wiithout a driver for it you will have not one device node. |
| 00:30.15 | Heston | as hiddev96 in not anywhere in /dev/ |
| 00:30.17 | jetscreamer | there's a usbview package or some such name |
| 00:30.20 | jetscreamer | looked cool |
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| 00:31.25 | dga | How can I wget recursively and just get everything in that specific directory? |
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| 00:32.03 | Heston | infernix, why would i need a driver for a port? |
| 00:32.19 | infernix | heston: you need drivers loaded for everything you use. |
| 00:32.39 | infernix | and in fact you have, but you probably dont know. |
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| 00:32.57 | magyar | how can i get the mute to work on KMix? |
| 00:33.15 | Heston | a regular serial port has a device node like /dev/ttyS0, why the hell doesnt usb? |
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| 00:33.48 | infernix | heston: even serial ports have drivers. |
| 00:34.13 | liable | Alexismoy: purge udev temporarily, install kernel, boot, install udev |
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| 00:34.24 | Alexismoy | well |
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| 00:36.04 | Heston | infernix, the only driver that i could see a need for is the controller that handles usb, what else would i need just to communicate with the port |
| 00:36.04 | jetscreamer | tor, somegeek ? |
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| 00:36.15 | jetscreamer | modprobe hid |
| 00:36.20 | jetscreamer | !info modconf |
| 00:36.26 | dpkg | modconf: (Device Driver Configuration), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.0 (sid), Packaged size: 1328 kB, Installed size: 4928 kB |
| 00:36.33 | jetscreamer | ohci and uhci and ehci are the others |
| 00:36.39 | jetscreamer | 'some' of |
| 00:36.49 | espacio | The command that I was looking for... |
| 00:36.51 | espacio | cut |
| 00:37.19 | espacio | thank you 'info coreutil' |
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| 00:42.05 | infernix | heston: well if thats all you think you need, good luck with it. |
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| 00:43.55 | atp | hey folks, i'm retiring a laptop at the end of its life and i want to securely delete my home partition and my swap partition. can i used a utility like shred on a device like /dev/hda8, or do i need a special, partition-wide wiping utility? if so, what should i use? |
| 00:44.03 | NoPlan | I am getting "glibc detected double free or corruption" errors when using "statcvs" under debian sid/unstable. Can anyone tell me, what I could do about it? |
| 00:44.31 | NoPlan | It is calling some Java ... could it be "Kaffe" related? |
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| 00:45.20 | Roey | hey THANKS for FINALLY switching to python2.4 |
| 00:45.24 | Roey | thanks Debian people. |
| 00:45.33 | eldowan | atp: wipe |
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| 00:47.02 | atp | eldowan: wipe huh... |
| 00:47.10 | atp | eldowan: let me look into it |
| 00:47.21 | jetscreamer | shred |
| 00:47.24 | CHodapp | atp, is the government going to steal this laptop and try very hard to get data off of it? |
| 00:47.29 | eldowan | atp: Thats what I found. |
| 00:47.38 | jetscreamer | !info shred |
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| 00:47.50 | atp | CHodapp: probably not, but i live in china, so you never know |
| 00:48.26 | CHodapp | atp, one sure way is to incinerate the platters. |
| 00:48.34 | atp | well, i'm not that paranoid |
| 00:48.34 | Alexismoy | :] |
| 00:48.45 | CHodapp | I've burned them before in a hot bonfire |
| 00:48.47 | atp | really i just want to make sure my gpg keys and such are difficult to recover |
| 00:48.59 | eldowan | atp: Or you could take a metal shredder to it. |
| 00:49.02 | atp | and that discovering who owned the computer beforehand is difficult |
| 00:49.02 | spoopin | jetscreamer: shred is fun |
| 00:49.07 | yesyall | which command do i issue to generate the xorg.conf file? |
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| 00:49.22 | eldowan | !tell yesyall about drxx |
| 00:49.23 | atp | eldowan: i don't have a metal shredder, i'm looking for a software solution |
| 00:49.41 | spoopin | jetscreamer: I used it to wipe /dev/sda, then tried to read its partition table :) |
| 00:49.56 | atp | snoopin: jetscreamer left the room |
| 00:50.12 | CHodapp | atp, writing the disc with zeros or random data will make it nearly impossible for nearly any but the most determined people (commercial data recovery can go layers beneath the surface and get lingering magnetic traces) |
| 00:50.47 | yesyall | eldowan: ah, it appears i'm unable to generate it if i installed the xserver-xorg-core package? |
| 00:50.49 | atp | CHodapp: yeah, i guess my real question was just whether it was possible to use a file-oriented utility like shred to nuke a whole partition, via the device file |
| 00:50.57 | krifur | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.58 | CHodapp | atp, devices are just files :) |
| 00:51.08 | eldowan | yesyall: You are unable to generate it if you, or any other process, changes the file. |
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| 00:51.43 | eldowan | isn't everything a file? |
| 00:51.48 | yesyall | eldowan: the nvidia-installer created one, but i moved it out of the way. a new file should be generated, shouldn't it? |
| 00:51.53 | atp | CHodapp: well, yes, but there's a certain amount of indirection that happens at the OS level (which I'll freely admit I know little about) so I thought I'd ask the experts to make sure that shredding a partition actually did stuff like flush the harddrive hardware cache etc |
| 00:52.04 | yesyall | eldowan: or is this a fundamental difference b/w xserver-xorg and -core? |
| 00:52.24 | eldowan | yesyall: If the file has been changed at all. If it has been moved, deleted, or updated it drxx will not work |
| 00:52.39 | CHodapp | atp, hardware cache is volatile |
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| 00:53.32 | atp | hm |
| 00:53.40 | atp | ok, so between wipe and shred, which is more secure? |
| 00:54.08 | eldowan | what do you mean secure? |
| 00:54.21 | vitriol | hey i'm having trouble getting my mouse to work...tried /dev/input/event2 and a couple others with no luck |
| 00:54.25 | vitriol | any suggestions? |
| 00:54.28 | vitriol | latest daily build of etch |
| 00:54.31 | atp | eldowan: i mean, which minimizes the chances of recovering files... because shred is already installed on my system |
| 00:54.38 | atp | eldowan: is wipe considerably better? |
| 00:54.40 | CHodapp | atp, just do both. |
| 00:55.00 | atp | CHodapp: that would take a rather long time i fear |
| 00:55.00 | vitriol | xserver won't start because of it |
| 00:55.03 | eldowan | atp: By default, shred overwrites 25 times, with random data. This should be More than enough. |
| 00:55.19 | vitriol | event2 makes the mouse move really weird and only at the edge of the screen |
| 00:55.44 | eldowan | atp: If you are paranoid, up the iteration count to 100 or more. I only mentioned wipe because I didn't know about shred. |
| 00:56.21 | atp | eldowan: i think i'm giving everyone the impression that i'm paranoid here, i'm not really, i just like doing things the right way [tm], it's the geek in me |
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| 00:56.39 | atp | so i naturally want to know which works the best, or if that's a complicated question why it's complicated, etc |
| 00:56.50 | atp | you know... know more about drive wiping |
| 00:57.14 | eldowan | atp: shred's defaults should work. They both work by overwriting a file multiple times. If it is truly random data, they both *should* make the same result. |
| 00:57.29 | atp | ok. |
| 00:57.34 | vitriol | no ideas huh? |
| 00:57.39 | vitriol | guess i'll have to figure it out |
| 00:57.54 | Xenguy | atp: wipe ? |
| 00:58.11 | atp | Xenguy: a secure file deletion utility |
| 00:58.26 | Xenguy | atp: yes, that's the name -- 'wipe' |
| 00:58.40 | Xenguy | atp: not totally sure what yer after tho |
| 00:59.14 | atp | Xenguy: sorry, i thought you were asking what wipe was, since we were just talking about it |
| 00:59.25 | pickcoder | what's wrong with a zero fill? |
| 00:59.36 | Xenguy | hah - OK; I came in late I guess :-) |
| 00:59.38 | eldowan | pickcoder: a zero fill is reversable |
| 00:59.49 | atp | pickcoder: it's relatively easy to recover that sort of material apparently |
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| 01:00.23 | pickcoder | I thought it aligned the blocks, which made it impossible to reverse? |
| 01:00.54 | atp | why would aligning the blocks make it impossible to reverse? |
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| 01:02.28 | eldowan | atp: pickcoder: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence |
| 01:02.36 | atp | thanks eldowan |
| 01:03.19 | kdean06 | Xenguy, Sorry for the delay, thank you very much. |
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| 01:03.22 | eldowan | also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOD_5220.22-M and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitization_(classified_information) |
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| 01:03.26 | ljlolel | is xgl in debian? :) |
| 01:03.31 | SpaceFrog | I'm having some problems running apt-get.. for some reason I'm getting this error: |
| 01:03.31 | SpaceFrog | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 01:03.31 | SpaceFrog | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.31 | SpaceFrog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.39 | SpaceFrog | oops |
| 01:03.44 | SpaceFrog | i didn't realise it was so big |
| 01:03.57 | SpaceFrog | Did anyone see the error? |
| 01:04.02 | pickcoder | hmm |
| 01:04.08 | pickcoder | maybe it can be recovered |
| 01:04.13 | pickcoder | http://www.disklabs.com/data-wiping.asp |
| 01:04.15 | eldowan | SpaceFrog: etch? sid? |
| 01:04.18 | pickcoder | unless you use a combination |
| 01:04.27 | SpaceFrog | umm, stable. |
| 01:04.38 | eldowan | SpaceFrog: Sorry, missed sarge there. |
| 01:04.51 | ljlolel | is xgl in debian? :) |
| 01:04.58 | pickcoder | I always thought that a zero fill would align everything on the platter, but I guess not. |
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| 01:05.05 | SpaceFrog | it keeps saying "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these" |
| 01:05.16 | SpaceFrog | but then it errors on "Depends: kicker" |
| 01:05.18 | ljlolel | SpaceFrog, so do that |
| 01:05.19 | elliotf | is there a way to get an older version of a package from etch? |
| 01:05.21 | ljlolel | oh |
| 01:05.24 | pickcoder | storms gonna hit here in an hour.. gah |
| 01:05.28 | eldowan | SpaceFrog: try installing the depends manually |
| 01:05.36 | ljlolel | ernesto? |
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| 01:05.39 | pickcoder | yup |
| 01:05.41 | elliotf | specifically, a version of udev that will work with kernel = 2.6.12 |
| 01:05.56 | SpaceFrog | This is the problem: Depends: kicker (>= 4:3.3.2-1sarge3) but 4:3.3.2-1sarge1 is to be installed |
| 01:06.06 | eldowan | pickcoder: There is no doubt. just a zero fill is *not* enough to prevent recovery |
| 01:06.12 | SpaceFrog | so.. i have the newer version? |
| 01:06.14 | NoPlan | I resolved the statcvs issue by replacing kaffe with the sun java packages. |
| 01:06.34 | eldowan | No. kicker needs sarge3 or later. you are going to install sarge1 |
| 01:06.50 | SpaceFrog | i don't even want this kicker app. |
| 01:07.01 | SpaceFrog | ugh, maybe it was the backports. |
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| 01:07.56 | SpaceFrog | what is kicker? |
| 01:08.36 | eldowan | aptitude show kicker |
| 01:10.26 | j4cbo | part of kde i believe |
| 01:10.59 | SpaceFrog | i see.. I'm not even using kde, but it seems to have installed |
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| 01:13.11 | smax | hi |
| 01:13.36 | Alexismoy | What to think about aptitude? It wants to delete package that it says I'm not using, but i'm using them... |
| 01:13.39 | smax | how do i make a device "un busy" so i can umount it with out having to reboot the machine? |
| 01:13.44 | smax | my cdrom that is |
| 01:14.44 | aardvarq | Make sure you don't have a command prompt CD'd inside it. |
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| 01:15.08 | elliotf | so that's a negative on retrieving older versions of packages somehow? |
| 01:15.47 | stew | Excelent01`: please ask a more specific question |
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| 01:17.29 | Excelent01` | stew : i need a scanner for linux ( FOR HACK ) |
| 01:17.59 | stew | Excelent01`: that is not welcome on this network. stop then |
| 01:18.04 | eldowan | Excelent01`: Are you asking us to contribute to you tryint to crack into somebody else's machine? |
| 01:18.08 | eldowan | if so, quit |
| 01:18.39 | Excelent01` | ... |
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| 01:18.44 | eldowan | :D |
| 01:19.19 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
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| 01:19.27 | smax | aww shucks, i just rebooted anyway |
| 01:19.40 | atp | thanks for the help folks |
| 01:19.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:20.06 | Guerin | and here we've beenrecommending him image scanners all day |
| 01:20.27 | stew | RichiH: i dont know if you want to deal with him on a network level ^^^ |
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| 01:21.19 | dvs | Guerin: that's what I thought too |
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| 01:21.48 | Alexismoy | what is the configuration on xorg.conf for a touchpad (on laptop)? /dev/... ? |
| 01:22.01 | dvs | Alexismoy: which kernel? |
| 01:22.12 | Alexismoy | 2.6.16 |
| 01:22.19 | dvs | Alexismoy: /dev/input/mice |
| 01:22.24 | Alexismoy | thx |
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| 01:24.29 | smax | im installing unreal tournament (which plays natively on linux). it's prompting me for disk 2, but i get "device is busy" when i eject cdrom ; and umount /dev/hdc and umount /media/cdrom |
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| 01:24.39 | piclez41 | hi, how to make apache2 (ssl) to work with tomcat:8443 please |
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| 01:25.09 | dendrite | smax: Do you have a shell open with the CD as the current working directory? |
| 01:25.13 | dendrite | smax: If so, cd .. |
| 01:25.21 | smax | no |
| 01:25.32 | smax | im in /media |
| 01:25.44 | eldowan | smax: lsof | grep <mount point> |
| 01:25.54 | dendrite | smax: lsof to see what's got /media ... open. |
| 01:26.17 | Xenguy | ls open file |
| 01:26.58 | smax | debian:~# lsof | grep /media/cdrom |
| 01:26.58 | smax | bash 1653 root cwd DIR 22,0 2048 165888 /media/cdrom0 |
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| 01:27.19 | dendrite | smax: Looks like you have a shell open into that media. |
| 01:27.27 | Xenguy | root |
| 01:28.30 | smax | the only shell i can think of is the original one were i ran the script off the cd |
| 01:28.38 | smax | i just booted a minit ago |
| 01:28.41 | smax | no other shells |
| 01:28.56 | dendrite | smax: And what does 'pwd' say in that shell? |
| 01:29.24 | smax | well i can't execute commands, it's running the program prompting me for the next disk |
| 01:29.38 | dendrite | smax: CTRL+Z |
| 01:29.41 | dendrite | Then pwd |
| 01:29.44 | Xenguy | Alt-Fn |
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| 01:30.13 | dendrite | Then 'fg' to bring back that shell. |
| 01:30.14 | smax | what's Fn? |
| 01:30.24 | smax | which function key? |
| 01:30.35 | Xenguy | smax: F + number (e.g. 1-6) |
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| 01:31.03 | Xenguy | smax: or what dendrite said... |
| 01:31.28 | smax | oh im back to the prompt. |
| 01:31.47 | smax | oh i'll try what dendrite said |
| 01:31.57 | smax | that sounds like a good idea |
| 01:34.20 | smax | dendrite: that's quite clever. thanx pal |
| 01:34.25 | smax | thanx #Debian for listening |
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| 01:34.48 | Alexismoy | I can't start X on my laptop: no devices detected |
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| 01:35.49 | Alexismoy | and I can't use dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
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| 01:38.05 | backz | Hi, I've a debian server, I'm using a bind9 on chroot and lighttpd from backports. It is a production server... but, somedays (like today), lighttpd and/or bind9 process break, and I can't know why. |
| 01:38.16 | Alexismoy | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnom.pm line 54. |
| 01:39.12 | smax | backz: fyi... there is a #dns |
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| 01:42.52 | gre123 | . |
| 01:42.56 | gre123 | ugh |
| 01:43.15 | gre123 | im stuck at 640x480 resolution |
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| 01:44.12 | gre123 | someone wato install nvdia driver for me? |
| 01:44.20 | JaVaSan | Can anyone tell me how to compile alsa-base, alsaconf and others alsa packages myself? I can't install it in debian way =/ when I try to install it, he ask me to remove a lot of packages =/ |
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| 01:45.10 | Alexismoy | Maybe my problem is on the identifier of the Monitor? |
| 01:45.29 | JaVaSan | gre123: look for a driver at nvidia site |
| 01:45.41 | gre123 | did that |
| 01:45.56 | gre123 | it couldnt find w/e for matching kernel |
| 01:46.05 | gre123 | i tried 2 different kernels |
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| 01:47.37 | JaVaSan | I've just installed nvidia's drive and that was enough. |
| 01:48.43 | gre123 | it wont let me |
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| 01:48.56 | gre123 | says cant find w/e for kernel |
| 01:49.49 | JaVaSan | have you got nvidia-kernel ? |
| 01:49.55 | gre123 | nope |
| 01:50.00 | gre123 | dunno how |
| 01:50.21 | JaVaSan | apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
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| 01:51.07 | gre123 | k then what? |
| 01:51.29 | Alexismoy | How to configure the screen on xorg? |
| 01:52.02 | JaVaSan | gre123: uname -a |
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| 01:52.31 | gre123 | k next |
| 01:52.37 | JaVaSan | install nvidia-kernel that match with your kernel. |
| 01:53.07 | JaVaSan | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-[the number of your kernel goes here] |
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| 01:54.06 | gre123 | apt-get install nvdia-kernel-nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386? |
| 01:54.34 | JaVaSan | yeap |
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| 01:55.28 | gre123 | says couldnt find |
| 01:57.52 | gre123 | i think my source list is messed up |
| 01:57.52 | JaVaSan | put this line at /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 01:57.53 | JaVaSan | deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia modules-unstable/i386/ |
| 01:57.53 | gre123 | can i get anotherone somewhere? |
| 01:57.53 | smax | how can i view my cpu specs ? |
| 01:57.54 | ootput | have any of you any experience with setting up (via apt-move) a single local repo for different Releases. My network comprises of several etch and sarge boxes, and I while I specify different DIST targets in each box' apt-move.conf, all of the packages end up in the stable/ folder |
| 01:57.57 | JaVaSan | try this way.... it works to me |
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| 01:58.06 | ootput | is there a way to separate these packages according to Release? |
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| 01:58.41 | Presently42 | What is the sound output in /dev? Is it snd? |
| 01:58.54 | ootput | smax: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:58.55 | Presently42 | And, if so, what is the output for my built in modem.? Thanks. |
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| 01:59.00 | foo | Does anyone know if I could get ultravnc on debian? Hmm |
| 01:59.43 | Xenguy | foo: I haven't heard of it on debian |
| 01:59.58 | foo | hmm, I wonder if tightvnc would work. I want to set up a listen server sometimes |
| 02:00.02 | Xenguy | foo: but vnc over ssh is all good |
| 02:00.10 | foo | yeah |
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| 02:00.34 | Alexismoy | No X, I will see that tomorrow, good night |
| 02:00.40 | Alexismoy | and thanks for your help |
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| 02:01.00 | Bry2k200 | i need a hand if anyone has a sec....i did a minimal install, installed a bunch of packages, upgraded, but i can't login to X |
| 02:01.06 | Bry2k200 | i have xorg installed |
| 02:01.09 | Bry2k200 | kde installed |
| 02:01.23 | peteweez | Bry2k200: have you configured x yet? |
| 02:01.27 | Bry2k200 | not sure what else i need |
| 02:01.29 | Xenguy | foo: check out freenx too (depending on your requirements :-) |
| 02:01.41 | Bry2k200 | peteweez; it what sense? |
| 02:02.29 | peteweez | By2k200: as in dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 or whatever that package is called. |
| 02:02.29 | Bry2k200 | oh fatal server error found, no screens found |
| 02:02.29 | foo | hm |
| 02:02.31 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 02:02.32 | dpkg | noscreensfound is, like, probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 02:03.19 | Bry2k200 | i'm using testing/unstable |
| 02:03.33 | peteweez | I don't think that matters too much. |
| 02:03.46 | Bry2k200 | so i would enter dpkg-reconfigure xfree86? |
| 02:03.50 | peteweez | no |
| 02:03.57 | peteweez | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:04.02 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 02:04.07 | peteweez | but have you already done that at some point? |
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| 02:04.28 | peteweez | Oh btw you need to be root |
| 02:04.45 | Bry2k200 | lol |
| 02:04.51 | peteweez | Yeah |
| 02:04.51 | Bry2k200 | ya i know i need to be root |
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| 02:04.54 | Xenguy | that darn r00t thing :-) |
| 02:05.09 | peteweez | just sometimes there are noobs on this channel...no problem with that but they need to be told that |
| 02:05.14 | Bry2k200 | ya i have not installed xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:05.21 | Bry2k200 | according to me system |
| 02:05.21 | Bry2k200 | :P |
| 02:05.28 | Xenguy | peteweez: yeah, it's all education |
| 02:05.32 | Bry2k200 | apt-get install xserver-xfree86? |
| 02:05.32 | peteweez | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:05.36 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 02:05.36 | peteweez | you've never ever done that? |
| 02:05.37 | poslaj | how to clear the command history in a shell. i had looked thro' man but couldn't find it. |
| 02:05.46 | peteweez | xenguy: yeah absolutely |
| 02:05.59 | gre123 | ugh |
| 02:06.08 | gre123 | i cant get to root |
| 02:06.08 | Xenguy | poslaj: delete the file |
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| 02:06.18 | gre123 | to edit source list |
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| 02:06.25 | JaVaSan | o.O |
| 02:06.30 | peteweez | .bash-history |
| 02:06.34 | Xenguy | poslaj: oh, you mean interactively? |
| 02:06.34 | peteweez | gre123 did you forget your root password? |
| 02:06.38 | gre123 | no |
| 02:06.42 | poslaj | Xenguy: yes |
| 02:06.48 | gre123 | gdm wont let me get to root |
| 02:06.58 | Xenguy | poslaj: I'd have to check the man page too :-) |
| 02:07.08 | peteweez | Wow that sounds annoying |
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| 02:07.34 | JaVaSan | gre123: you have to do it at terminal |
| 02:07.41 | poslaj | Xenguy: pages of text in the man, but i don't find any command option to clear history. |
| 02:07.58 | gre123 | im frustrated |
| 02:08.10 | gre123 | someone wanna do all this for me? |
| 02:08.36 | peteweez | gre123: I might be able to give you a workaround |
| 02:08.41 | peteweez | log in as a regular user |
| 02:08.45 | peteweez | then start a terminal |
| 02:08.46 | Bry2k200 | peteweez; that did not work |
| 02:08.46 | Bry2k200 | :/ |
| 02:08.51 | gre123 | k |
| 02:08.58 | peteweez | Bry2k200: then you need to dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 02:09.00 | Bry2k200 | well, after install i typed startx |
| 02:09.04 | Bry2k200 | okie |
| 02:09.14 | peteweez | gre123: su to root |
| 02:09.24 | peteweez | gre123: type invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 02:09.28 | peteweez | it'll kill X |
| 02:09.39 | peteweez | then login as root on the command line you'll get |
| 02:09.42 | peteweez | and type startx |
| 02:09.51 | aalex | quitte: BAD mistake... My / partition is not big enough to contain the few softwares I will need. How can I resize this ? Will I need to reinstall it all ? |
| 02:10.07 | peteweez | aalex: you probably need a livecd to fix this |
| 02:10.31 | peteweez | do you have Knoppix? |
| 02:10.32 | aalex | peteweez: will I be able to resize the partition ? I got a livecd nearby |
| 02:10.34 | peteweez | yeah |
| 02:10.39 | Xenguy | poslaj: wow, the man page is a nightmare :P |
| 02:10.39 | aalex | peteweez: ubuntu |
| 02:10.42 | peteweez | Knoppix will work |
| 02:10.49 | peteweez | on gnoppix will probly also work |
| 02:10.54 | peteweez | idk about ubuntu |
| 02:10.55 | aalex | what would i need to do then ? |
| 02:10.56 | Bry2k200 | peteweez; same error |
| 02:10.57 | poslaj | Xenguy: as i said earlier. |
| 02:10.57 | peteweez | probably |
| 02:11.01 | Bry2k200 | no screens found |
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| 02:11.03 | gre123 | nope |
| 02:11.27 | peteweez | Bry2k200: try to get an expert like nalioth to help you then...you've exhausted my knowledge |
| 02:11.28 | Xenguy | poslaj: /me tries to think of excellent new key words... |
| 02:11.34 | peteweez | gre123: same thing |
| 02:11.37 | Bry2k200 | lol....okie |
| 02:11.41 | Bry2k200 | thanks for the help m8 |
| 02:11.42 | poslaj | Xenguy: something that need to be worked on. no command to clear history. |
| 02:11.44 | gre123 | yup |
| 02:11.52 | backz | how I can prevent to daemons break? something like a daemon that restart anothers if it break |
| 02:11.57 | peteweez | aalex: you need to resize the underlying partition with somethn like cfdisk |
| 02:12.02 | Xenguy | poslaj: It has to be there... somewhere |
| 02:12.05 | nalioth | peteweez: there are far more knowledgable people than I in here |
| 02:12.09 | peteweez | Bry2k200: yeah sorry about that |
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| 02:12.19 | peteweez | OK then tell them about them |
| 02:12.20 | Bry2k200 | no need to be sorry |
| 02:12.20 | Xenguy | poslaj: not programming that feature is just retarded :P |
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| 02:12.24 | peteweez | They need xperts |
| 02:12.56 | poslaj | Xenguy: there is a 'clear history (void)' function mentioned in the man. |
| 02:13.02 | peteweez | aalex: then resize the filesystem with resize2fs |
| 02:13.02 | Bry2k200 | nalioth; you got time to help me out? |
| 02:13.14 | Xenguy | poslaj: I saw that, but don't really know what it means |
| 02:13.17 | nalioth | Bry2k200: i'm not much good with X |
| 02:13.26 | Bry2k200 | k |
| 02:13.27 | Xenguy | poslaj: or how to apply it |
| 02:13.43 | peteweez | nalioth: who are the real experts then? |
| 02:13.48 | taigeR_ | don't know |
| 02:13.57 | Bry2k200 | did you do minimal install testing? |
| 02:13.58 | gre123 | my heads gonna explode |
| 02:14.00 | poslaj | Xenguy: its obvious what it means but as u said, it is not obvious how to apply it. |
| 02:14.02 | Bry2k200 | nalioth |
| 02:14.04 | Bry2k200 | ? |
| 02:14.11 | Xenguy | poslaj: that's it |
| 02:14.20 | aalex | I thought that 1.5Gb would have been enough for a simple system with xfce4, xchat, firefox and openoffice.... but no |
| 02:14.28 | peteweez | aalex: haha nope |
| 02:14.31 | peteweez | you need more |
| 02:14.39 | peteweez | aalex: cfdisk then resize2fs, ok |
| 02:14.41 | peteweez | ? |
| 02:14.41 | poslaj | Xenguy: eh? u found the answer? |
| 02:14.45 | amphi | aalex: firefox and openoffice? haha |
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| 02:15.16 | peteweez | aalex: yeah sorry but we're going to have to laugh about that |
| 02:15.20 | aalex | ahaha |
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| 02:15.21 | Bry2k200 | or peteweez if ya did minimal install, and can easily post what packages you used for install i would love to take a look |
| 02:15.22 | aalex | how mych do I need then ? |
| 02:15.37 | Bry2k200 | i can always re-install debian |
| 02:15.39 | poslaj | amphi: anything wrong with that? i ahve that combo too. |
| 02:15.46 | aalex | Yeah, but this is a minimal install for university students, eh |
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| 02:16.05 | peteweez | Bry2k200: see if X has an irc channel |
| 02:16.11 | aalex | Yeah, maybe it would be simpler to reinstall it all.... |
| 02:16.16 | peteweez | Bry2k200: I don't know if I can give much more help |
| 02:16.22 | peteweez | aalex: it's not that hard |
| 02:16.28 | amphi | poslaj: it's not 'light', that's all |
| 02:16.29 | peteweez | does your livecd have irc on it? |
| 02:16.35 | aalex | peteweez: to resize ? i guess |
| 02:16.51 | aalex | peteweez: i am on _my_ other computer |
| 02:17.02 | peteweez | aalex: boot into livecd, and get on irc and we'll walk you through the process. |
| 02:17.06 | gre123 | sigh |
| 02:17.08 | aalex | cool |
| 02:17.24 | peteweez | aalex: if I have to go 2 sleep, someone else'll probly help you |
| 02:17.27 | peteweez | brb |
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| 02:18.34 | poslaj | Xenguy: know how to clear history now? |
| 02:18.37 | aalex | hmmm, no blank CD nearby :-/ |
| 02:18.49 | peteweez | aalex: I thought you said you had a livecd |
| 02:19.05 | aalex | so, how much disk space would I need for ooffice, xchat, xfce4, firefox ? |
| 02:19.17 | aalex | peteweez: yeah, but it is a ubunutu....... |
| 02:19.34 | peteweez | aalex: that's ok |
| 02:19.38 | aalex | ok then |
| 02:19.39 | aalex | cool |
| 02:19.40 | peteweez | aalex: 3gb should do it |
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| 02:22.26 | jsmidt | How do you shut down acpid? |
| 02:22.27 | peteweez | aalex: tell me when you've booted into live ubuntu |
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| 02:22.50 | Exclamation | hi |
| 02:22.51 | Exclamation | i need help getting broadcom wireless working |
| 02:22.51 | erichapkido | what package is the command m-a in? |
| 02:22.52 | amphi | jsmidt: /etc/init.d/acpid stop |
| 02:22.54 | aalex | peteweez: i should boot on "rescue" i guess, in order just to get a shell... |
| 02:22.56 | jsmidt | amphi, thanks |
| 02:22.56 | peteweez | allex: just a regular boot |
| 02:22.56 | amphi | jsmidt: yw |
| 02:22.56 | peteweez | not rescue |
| 02:22.57 | aalex | (it is a powerpc, but on etx3) |
| 02:22.58 | aalex | ok |
| 02:22.58 | peteweez | ok |
| 02:22.58 | Agrajag- | erichapkido: module-assistant |
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| 02:23.01 | peteweez | Exclamation: If it's an atheros card you're in for a lot of headbanging |
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| 02:23.22 | DamianFinol | Greetings and good evening |
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| 02:23.34 | DamianFinol | I was wondering, is there a way to tell gnome to run a specific command at LOGOUT? |
| 02:23.38 | DamianFinol | not login, but logout |
| 02:24.08 | peteweez | aalex: I'm going to pm you, OK |
| 02:24.23 | aalex | pm? |
| 02:24.29 | peteweez | privat message |
| 02:24.38 | Exclamation | petemc: its a built in broadcom, thats all i know, 4311 |
| 02:24.48 | DamianFinol | I have a PC setup so people can use it and test Linux and stuff, but I want to sort of delete all the history and the account, and then recreate it after the user logsoff, as to clear the settings and stuff. Anyone is familiar with this, or can provide me with a north? |
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| 02:26.10 | amphi | DamianFinol: just don't use a .bash_history file |
| 02:26.41 | Xenguy | poslaj: sorry, I was /away for a bit - how to clear history ? |
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| 02:27.05 | jrsims | hey, what's the point of my etc/hosts file? |
| 02:27.48 | basbryan | jrsims: man hosts |
| 02:27.53 | Xenguy | jrsims: it translates IP to domain |
| 02:27.59 | DamianFinol | amphi, Yes, but I want to delete gnome settings, downloaded files, in short, I want to delete their home folder and create it again |
| 02:28.06 | DamianFinol | when the user logs off |
| 02:28.14 | Xenguy | jrsims: er, domain name |
| 02:28.36 | jrsims | k |
| 02:28.37 | amphi | DamianFinol: ah |
| 02:28.38 | backz | there is a program to monitor my daemons (apache2, lighttpd, mysqld, named...) if someone break it restart the service again? |
| 02:28.39 | basbryan | backz: inetd? |
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| 02:28.56 | DamianFinol | amphi, I was thinking of making a bash script, but you can only tell gnome to run stuff at login, not logoff |
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| 02:29.04 | DamianFinol | or at least, that I know of |
| 02:29.11 | Guerin | DamianFinol: a script to run on logout which does rm -rf /home/user/* && cp /etc/skel/* /home/user |
| 02:29.34 | DamianFinol | Guerin, Yes, but like I said, I can only find the setting that tells gnome what to run at LOGIN not logout |
| 02:29.48 | Guerin | DamianFinol: that's amazingly stupid |
| 02:29.59 | Guerin | well, it *is* gnome |
| 02:30.00 | Colorfool | if you log in temporarily as root via su -, can you change the root password of the server? |
| 02:30.15 | jrsims | anyone here in the seo business by any chance? |
| 02:31.09 | poslaj | something strange about i new 17" LCD screen. when i use a shell, occasionally, there's a column of character that appears on the left of the screen. 'clear'screen cannot clear it away. but when i mark the screen area with the mouse and hit return, they are gone. anyone had experienced it? |
| 02:31.09 | basbryan | Colorfool: yes |
| 02:31.17 | Colorfool | how? |
| 02:31.25 | basbryan | passwd? |
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| 02:31.33 | Guerin | DamianFinol: remove gnome's stupid 'logout' functionality, then, and make a menu item/button/something called 'logout' which does what you want |
| 02:32.18 | amphi | DamianFinol: I have no idea about gnome, I'm afraid - never used it |
| 02:32.23 | Colorfool | tried it, it didn't work. |
| 02:32.55 | Colorfool | changes the su- but not the root |
| 02:32.55 | Guerin | Colorfool: passwd root |
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| 02:33.10 | Guerin | Colorfool: man passwd, and if you don't know this, why the hell do you have root on ANY box? |
| 02:33.15 | basbryan | Colorfool: sudo -i? |
| 02:33.21 | Colorfool | ok thanks |
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| 02:35.06 | j4cbo | tee hee |
| 02:35.23 | j4cbo | so i got a new insulin pump |
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| 02:35.33 | j4cbo | comes with software, but the software's windows-only |
| 02:35.41 | j4cbo | although it turns out it's java |
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| 02:35.49 | basbryan | j4cbo: lol |
| 02:35.52 | j4cbo | so, i'm hacking the code to make it run on mac/linux |
| 02:35.56 | amphi | j4cbo: heh |
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| 02:36.27 | amphi | j4cbo: try not to introduce any fatal bugs ;) |
| 02:36.37 | jrsims | why am i so tired |
| 02:36.46 | jrsims | always tired after work |
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| 02:36.54 | philips | Every Flash window in Fx is showing up white- any ideas? |
| 02:36.56 | j4cbo | the software is just for downloading numbers, fortunately |
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| 02:37.41 | Colorfool | i got a dedicated server but it seems that they only allow access to root via su -. Also means they can access the server contents any time they want because they have root access right? |
| 02:38.08 | j4cbo | Colorfool: physical access is root access anyway |
| 02:38.12 | amphi | Colorfool: physical access = root |
| 02:38.13 | jrsims | I keep getting messages that my local domain name is not qualified, and that i should check my etc/hosts file. How do i fix this? |
| 02:38.26 | jrsims | what needs to be in my hosts file? |
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| 02:38.48 | Xenguy | jrsims: the error message suggests that /etc/hosts syntax is broken |
| 02:39.00 | Colorfool | even if they didn't have root access they will be able to login and view the contents via a boot disk? |
| 02:39.07 | Xenguy | jrsims: which is what yer asking :-) |
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| 02:39.21 | jrsims | Xenguy: right, but how do I fix it? |
| 02:39.40 | Xenguy | jrsims: paste your /etc/hosts (not here) and see |
| 02:39.47 | dendrite | jrsims: man hosts |
| 02:39.56 | jrsims | man hosts didn't do anything for me |
| 02:39.59 | Xenguy | or... |
| 02:40.06 | dendrite | jrsims: Well, read it again. |
| 02:40.15 | Xenguy | or google |
| 02:40.20 | Xenguy | /etc/hosts |
| 02:40.21 | dendrite | jrsims: Reading a man page doesn't mean skim and give up, it means read and think about it. |
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| 02:41.31 | jrsims | does the hosts file specify which hosts to allow my system to talk to on a network? |
| 02:41.52 | dendrite | jrsims: The first paragraph of the man page answers that question. |
| 02:41.59 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 02:42.09 | basbryan | jrsims: on *nix and windoze hosts file defines predefined hosts |
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| 02:42.18 | basbryan | aka it overides dns |
| 02:42.21 | Xenguy | basbryan: yes |
| 02:42.30 | jrsims | ok, that makes sense |
| 02:43.05 | jrsims | is there a command that will show my current domain and hostname? |
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| 02:43.25 | Xenguy | jrsims: hosts |
| 02:43.47 | dendrite | jrsims: hostname. |
| 02:43.48 | Xenguy | hostname |
| 02:43.54 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 02:43.55 | jrsims | how about domain? |
| 02:44.12 | philips | Alright, so the flash plugin doesn't work in 16 colors but it does in 24. I wish 3d works in 24 bit :-( |
| 02:44.14 | dendrite | jrsims: man hostname. See -d flah. |
| 02:44.21 | jrsims | k |
| 02:44.22 | dendrite | flag, even. |
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| 02:45.48 | jrsims | ok, when I alter my hosts file, the change should be immediate? |
| 02:46.00 | [NoX] | 'night all |
| 02:46.08 | dendrite | jrsims: Yes, though some apps may cache an old copy. |
| 02:46.18 | dendrite | jrsims: But yes, should be immediate. |
| 02:46.19 | jrsims | I'm actually on FreeBSD |
| 02:46.21 | jrsims | :) |
| 02:46.31 | dendrite | jrsims: So why are you asking in #debian? |
| 02:46.35 | jrsims | more people |
| 02:46.37 | jrsims | :) |
| 02:46.59 | dendrite | That's like losing your keys in the shadows, but looking for them under the streetlamp "becuase there is light there." |
| 02:47.07 | jrsims | most of the time, you can ask the same questions in linux or freebsd irc chats |
| 02:47.22 | jrsims | ...because of standards! |
| 02:47.25 | dendrite | jrsims: Well, I have no idea what man pages look like in bsd. |
| 02:47.30 | jrsims | similar |
| 02:47.41 | dendrite | jrsims: How would you know? ;-) |
| 02:47.50 | jrsims | oh, I use them off and on |
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| 02:49.17 | simonrvn | jrsims: yes |
| 02:49.28 | jrsims | anyway, debian people seem to know what's going on most of the time, so they're good people to go to no matter what linux or BSD you're running. Provided that your question is not platform specific. |
| 02:50.09 | simonrvn | well, for stuff like that, it comes down to the *nix bits... doesn't matter if it's a bsd or linux or whatever. thee are differences but many are the same or similar |
| 02:50.36 | jrsims | Yes. This makes me very happy. |
| 02:50.54 | jrsims | I do love standards so. |
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| 02:51.19 | simonrvn | i however agree with dendrite that you should have asked the proper channels (pun intended) |
| 02:51.29 | jrsims | anyway. Gotta bail. thanks for the help. |
| 02:51.35 | simonrvn | see you |
| 02:52.38 | dendrite | simonrvn: OK, I'm dense... What pun? |
| 02:53.06 | simonrvn | proper channels, proper avenues or ways, channels, irc channel |
| 02:53.29 | simonrvn | it was a subtle one :) |
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| 02:53.31 | dendrite | simonrvn: Ah. And I just took it literally. |
| 02:53.50 | dendrite | Subtle, as in literally aligned... |
| 02:54.07 | dendrite | You had me going... |
| 02:54.08 | simonrvn | as in not hidden, but disguised |
| 02:54.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:55.36 | Xenguy | why you maggot! |
| 02:55.54 | Xenguy | master of master - well I never! |
| 02:56.15 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 02:56.23 | Xenguy | ahem |
| 02:56.27 | simonrvn | oh |
| 02:56.35 | simonrvn | what did he do? |
| 02:56.53 | Xenguy | simonrvn: just being silly here |
| 02:56.55 | aalex | On a 6 Gb disk, how big should I set my root partition to be ? 3 Gb ? |
| 02:57.03 | simonrvn | yeh, i just realised :) |
| 02:57.04 | aalex | (the other is home) |
| 02:57.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:57.25 | dendrite | aalex: What use will the box see? Home workstation, or more server type stuff? |
| 02:57.26 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 02:58.33 | aalex | dendrite: workstation with ooffice, firefox, xfce4 and xchat |
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| 02:59.03 | dendrite | aalex: 3G for non-home is not a bad guess. |
| 02:59.40 | crn | how do i add a program to the gnome menue? |
| 02:59.55 | basbryan | alacarte? |
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| 03:00.08 | dendrite | basbryan: :P |
| 03:00.22 | crn | du jour |
| 03:00.42 | basbryan | no really lol alacarte! ;-) |
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| 03:01.32 | dendrite | crn: No gnome here. Is't there some menu editor thingy? Or have the fascists done away with THAT configurability? |
| 03:01.44 | crn | basbryan, very cool |
| 03:01.46 | dendrite | s/Is't/Isn't/ |
| 03:02.12 | zinx | dendrite: there isn't a gnome menu editor.. there's "ala carte" or something which is an editor for gnome menus, however |
| 03:02.50 | dendrite | zinx: Ah. That's dead nuts. |
| 03:03.02 | crn | dendrite, yep i'm using sarge. i can't find the menue editor. i guess a true Debian person doesn use windows of any kind |
| 03:03.07 | zinx | dendrite: the gnome folk are on some sort of hardcore drugs, i'm convinced |
| 03:03.25 | dendrite | zinx: Agreed. |
| 03:03.28 | zinx | crn: apt-get install alacarte |
| 03:03.43 | crn | nokidding? ok |
| 03:03.44 | dendrite | crn: Nah, hard core linuxers use X to manage all the xterms! |
| 03:04.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:04.06 | simonrvn | or use screen :) |
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| 03:04.22 | dendrite | simonrvn: Or like here, all the screen sessions ... |
| 03:04.34 | crn | curses |
| 03:04.35 | simonrvn | i have 3 right now |
| 03:04.43 | crn | opps ncurses i mean |
| 03:04.53 | simonrvn | drat |
| 03:04.56 | chance2105 | zinx, dendrite: No gnome menu editor? In my Sarge gnome .. click open the menus, right-click .. |
| 03:04.57 | dendrite | phooey |
| 03:04.58 | simonrvn | oops i meant ndrat |
| 03:05.06 | smacnay | hi, are there any glitches with the latest nvidia drivers in Debian "testing"?... I should check topic first. |
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| 03:05.44 | dendrite | chance2105: Well, like I said, I give gnome and it's disciples a wide berth... |
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| 03:06.37 | crn | chance2105, la voila |
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| 03:07.19 | dendrite | voila? a la carte? Nous parlons Francais? |
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| 03:07.42 | basbryan | je ne parle francais |
| 03:07.44 | simonrvn | i use it, but i'm no fricking disciple. i'm my own disciple. i learn from my life experiences. |
| 03:07.53 | aalex | dendrite : si si |
| 03:07.59 | crn | comme un etrager |
| 03:08.05 | simonrvn | moi je parle, et pis des fois du juoal *sigh* |
| 03:08.11 | dendrite | simonrvn: :-) |
| 03:08.20 | simonrvn | joual meme |
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| 03:08.38 | basbryan | der blinkenlights |
| 03:08.47 | dendrite | basbryan: <grin> |
| 03:09.00 | dendrite | basbryan: das, IIRC. |
| 03:09.09 | basbryan | oui |
| 03:09.19 | aalex | simonrvn: i am pinging you on #debianppc :) |
| 03:09.44 | dendrite | "relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten." |
| 03:09.54 | simonrvn | and i'm replying ;) |
| 03:10.37 | aalex | eheh |
| 03:11.21 | dendrite | I had no idea blinkenlights had so evolved... http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/blinkenlights.html |
| 03:11.24 | sussudio | blaireaux sans pantalons |
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| 03:12.36 | simonrvn | badgers with no pants? :) |
| 03:12.36 | badgers | wish i knew, simonrvn |
| 03:12.49 | simonrvn | badgers: you don't want to know, bot |
| 03:12.50 | badgers | i haven't a clue, simonrvn |
| 03:13.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:13.30 | kintaro0e | hello everyone, what if there is one administrator of the organization tried to do this #rm -rf / as root accidentally. how can i recover this?any advice? |
| 03:13.36 | jikuty | how do I turn off this xScreensaver.. I don't want it to lock my screen. |
| 03:13.58 | simonrvn | jikuty: you can do that from the menu |
| 03:14.13 | simonrvn | screen > save > disable screensaver |
| 03:14.16 | jikuty | ah, found it .. thanks |
| 03:14.18 | stoned | hi |
| 03:14.23 | jikuty | I was looking in the wrong place |
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| 03:18.33 | j4cbo | kintaro0e: got backups? :) |
| 03:20.04 | kintaro0e | j4cbo: dont know if there are backup |
| 03:20.21 | j4cbo | eek |
| 03:20.28 | j4cbo | which files actually wound up getting deleted? |
| 03:20.35 | aalex | kintaro0e: yeah... i realized one day that you are better to take care of not putting useless spaces between slashes when you play with rm.... |
| 03:21.18 | kintaro0e | aalex: will its not me..its our administrator |
| 03:22.04 | dendrite | We did an rm -rf / once, for fun... |
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| 03:22.35 | dendrite | We fired up a machine, started all kinds of apps, then set to deleting. I was amazed at how long the machine stayed up... |
| 03:22.48 | chance2105 | The cool part about rf -rf / .. if you let it run, it always does what you think it's going to do. |
| 03:23.18 | dendrite | chance2105: Yeah, there wasn't much left of that system. |
| 03:24.12 | dendrite | In UN*X, if an open file is deleted, the file handle remains valid, and the file object available until the handle is released. |
| 03:24.26 | dendrite | So things really did proceed right along. |
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| 03:25.26 | j4cbo | of course, if you aren't root, it's entirely unimpressive |
| 03:25.37 | dendrite | j4cbo: Heh heh. |
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| 03:35.33 | simonrvn | i think that was the point. do it regardless, to completion. be as stable and reliable as possible, even if it to do rm -rf /* |
| 03:35.53 | mhall | simonrvn: yeah that's the real key to things like rm -r |
| 03:35.54 | simonrvn | that's why you can shoot yourself in both feet ;) |
| 03:36.15 | mhall | simonrvn: you don't want to leave inconsistency all over the FS when you really need to rm -r stuff |
| 03:36.21 | simonrvn | yup |
| 03:36.38 | mhall | simonrvn: in the off chance you run the wrong command, being inconsistent's not really any better than just doing it consistently anyways |
| 03:36.44 | mhall | simonrvn: so you really might as well |
| 03:36.53 | simonrvn | heheh, so true |
| 03:37.41 | simonrvn | sometimes i really hate adsl |
| 03:37.49 | mhall | simonrvn: as opposed to the windows approach which is effin bullshit |
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| 03:37.58 | mhall | simonrvn: you never know if shit will delete right at all |
| 03:38.18 | simonrvn | "do everything half-assed and leave bits of yourself all over the place"? :) |
| 03:38.30 | mhall | simonrvn: and, WORST OF ALL, FUCKING EXPLORER'S MEDIA PREVIEW FUNCTION KEEPS SHIT OPEN UNTIL IT MAKES A PREVIEW, SO THEN IT CAN'T BE REMOVED |
| 03:38.36 | mhall | that bug drives me FUCKING CRAZY |
| 03:38.42 | simonrvn | wth |
| 03:39.03 | mhall | yeah rly |
| 03:39.13 | simonrvn | and of course they won't fix it, it's not a security issue. even then ;) |
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| 03:40.11 | mhall | fuck em |
| 03:40.21 | simonrvn | no thanks, not my type |
| 03:40.22 | mhall | and fuck their fucked operating system |
| 03:40.26 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:40.29 | mhall | what a bunch of fucking fuckers |
| 03:40.47 | simonrvn | fuck the fucking fuckers |
| 03:40.52 | mhall | i have to develop big java apps on windows and it fucking sucks my nuts |
| 03:41.04 | basbryan | no ps in cmd.exe nor command.com |
| 03:41.18 | j4cbo | mhall: the problem is that you're developing big java apps ;) |
| 03:41.32 | jikuty | hm, for some reason, Debian isn't detecting the soundcard on my machine |
| 03:41.42 | simonrvn | oh so you got that job? congrats :) |
| 03:41.53 | jikuty | what application should I use to get it to locate/find the drivers for it? |
| 03:42.40 | basbryan | jikuty: i use a livecd to detect what modules i need for drivers... |
| 03:43.07 | simonrvn | you can do it the manual way, or the ncurse way. first is using lspci and figuring what sort of stuffs you have, then modprobing the right modules, the ohter is installing alsaconf |
| 03:43.15 | simonrvn | ncurses even |
| 03:43.19 | jikuty | modprobing? |
| 03:43.32 | simonrvn | modprobe foo |
| 03:43.52 | jikuty | alright - I found my soundcard |
| 03:44.12 | simonrvn | so, for alsa they're always snd-* |
| 03:44.22 | basbryan | jikuty: once u know what drivers u need then u have to get them and load them... modprobe loads them |
| 03:44.29 | jikuty | alrighty |
| 03:44.29 | simonrvn | so e.g., snd-foo |
| 03:44.46 | simonrvn | so modporbe snd-foo |
| 03:44.46 | simonrvn | probe* |
| 03:45.11 | jikuty | and I should just download the drivers from the manufacturer's website? |
| 03:45.17 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:45.29 | simonrvn | this isn't windows ;) |
| 03:45.35 | jikuty | yeah - I figured |
| 03:45.39 | jikuty | as you can tell, I'm new to all this :P |
| 03:45.39 | mhall | j4cbo: yeah if it was up to me i wouldn't be |
| 03:45.46 | basbryan | jikuty: lspci and such will tell u modules u need |
| 03:45.57 | mhall | j4cbo: it's not even in my job description but i'd rather not fight it right now |
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| 03:46.11 | simonrvn | jikuty: so what's the driver, and are you using the install kernel? |
| 03:46.30 | jikuty | alright: this is what lspci says, |
| 03:46.31 | jikuty | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 03:46.41 | simonrvn | ah yes |
| 03:46.59 | jikuty | how can I tell what the driver is? |
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| 03:47.33 | mhall | j4cbo: if they want to pay me good coin to misapply my skills then fine |
| 03:48.31 | basbryan | mhall: business people don't understand your skills, much less how to apply them i would suggest... |
| 03:48.34 | simonrvn | um, i think it's snd-ac97 or something. |
| 03:48.49 | jikuty | how can you tell, though? |
| 03:48.52 | jikuty | like, where would I look it up? |
| 03:48.53 | j4cbo | mhall: yeah, been there myself |
| 03:48.55 | pourritur1 | mhall: redefine your skill set as a problem solver and all is good |
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| 03:49.06 | simonrvn | the "AC'97" is a dead giveaway :) |
| 03:49.15 | j4cbo | java, ugh |
| 03:50.23 | mhall | basbryan: i mean when i applied for the job i made it pretty clear i was not an enterprise developer |
| 03:50.26 | simonrvn | jikuty: do modprobe -l | grep ac97, then tell me if it matches what i said, if so, then do that |
| 03:50.36 | jikuty | k |
| 03:50.37 | mhall | basbryan: i'm really more of a POSIX hacker and security person |
| 03:50.58 | pourritur1 | mhall: remember the Harvey Keitel character in Pulp Fiction ... you have to be that guy ... the WOLF ... you can clean up any mess |
| 03:51.14 | jikuty | it shows me four files like: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/ac97.o |
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| 03:51.31 | basbryan | mhall: and they of course didn't listen? |
| 03:51.40 | simonrvn | jikuty: anyway, if it doesn't tell me what it is, and then i'll tell you if it's the right one to install in the kernel (you install it in the kernel by modprobing it into kernel memoery, that's what that does) |
| 03:52.01 | Pons | what was the way of blocking a package from upgrade? |
| 03:52.11 | simonrvn | jikuty: no, that's the OSS one. you'll want the ALSA one (remember what i said about the alsa drivers?) |
| 03:52.21 | simonrvn | !tell Pons about hold |
| 03:52.21 | jikuty | i see |
| 03:52.27 | Pons | thx simonrvn ç |
| 03:52.33 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:52.44 | mhall | pourritur1: i pretty much am |
| 03:53.01 | basbryan | mhall: i told my current employer i was a systems programmer |
| 03:53.11 | mhall | pourritur1: but this is many mant thousands of undocumented lines |
| 03:53.17 | basbryan | mhall: they put me on an accounting team!?! |
| 03:53.26 | simonrvn | basbryan: that's the problem with western society, and a few more too. the "PTB" don't listen |
| 03:53.40 | mhall | basbryan: no they farmed me out to a behnd schedule project |
| 03:54.12 | mhall | basbryan: worst place to put me b/c i don't know the code or java so i bog down beleagured devs |
| 03:54.25 | basbryan | fun fun fun |
| 03:54.39 | basbryan | read the mythical man-month? |
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| 03:55.15 | mhall | basbryan: been meaning to |
| 03:55.17 | jikuty | simonrvn, i now have /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-ac97-codec.o |
| 03:55.21 | CHodapp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.25 | jikuty | after I installed alsa-base, etc. |
| 03:55.32 | mhall | basbryan: i do know its premises though |
| 03:55.56 | simonrvn | jikuty: that's it |
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| 03:56.01 | jikuty | so, now what do I do? |
| 03:56.03 | mhall | basbryan: so... accounting team; wtf do you do |
| 03:56.15 | simonrvn | modprobe snd-ac97-codec |
| 03:56.17 | jrsims | weeb |
| 03:56.19 | jikuty | i see |
| 03:56.21 | basbryan | mhall: i write "back office" software |
| 03:56.36 | simonrvn | jikuty: then do echo snd-ac97-codec >> /etc/modules |
| 03:56.38 | jrsims | what is back office software? |
| 03:56.44 | jrsims | you mean MS Access stuff? |
| 03:56.55 | basbryan | mhall: in reality i explain to people why their computers did what they do |
| 03:57.01 | basbryan | M$ access?? |
| 03:57.04 | basbryan | hell no |
| 03:57.18 | jikuty | simonrvn, it doesn't say anything .. after I do 'modprobe snd-ac97-codec', it just goes to a new terminal line |
| 03:57.21 | jrsims | isnt everything written in VBA now? |
| 03:57.22 | basbryan | i wouldn't touch that with someone else pen is |
| 03:57.24 | jikuty | same thing when i do 'echo snd-ac97-codec >> /etc/modules' |
| 03:57.25 | simonrvn | that's fine |
| 03:57.26 | basbryan | lol |
| 03:57.50 | jrsims | but MS Access is the king of concurrency |
| 03:57.55 | simonrvn | jikuty: that's totally fine. means it was successful (error 0 in *nix means it was a success, which you saw an example of) |
| 03:58.03 | basbryan | jrsims: NOT |
| 03:58.15 | jikuty | ah, I see. |
| 03:58.22 | basbryan | ms access is better than excel though |
| 03:58.43 | jrsims | Oracle has a lot to learn from MS Access |
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| 03:58.44 | simonrvn | jikuty: now, to see what you did - if you like - do lsmod | less (might not be installed, so put more there) |
| 03:58.59 | basbryan | there are many paths to rdbms zen |
| 03:59.08 | basbryan | none end in M$ access |
| 03:59.13 | basbryan | though many start there |
| 03:59.29 | jikuty | cool |
| 03:59.32 | simonrvn | i bet you would say postgres > mysql |
| 03:59.34 | jrsims | What about all the cool VBA frameworks that make you ultra productive? |
| 03:59.37 | simonrvn | basbryan: ^^ |
| 03:59.55 | mhall | jrsims: good troll |
| 04:00.24 | basbryan | simonrvn: i haven't used either in years... though i wish i had used either |
| 04:00.24 | mhall | jrsims: had a nice technopolitical blend |
| 04:00.34 | basbryan | ;-) |
| 04:00.38 | jrsims | mhall: I work in MIS |
| 04:00.42 | jrsims | :) |
| 04:00.46 | basbryan | IMS? |
| 04:00.54 | jrsims | Management Information Systems |
| 04:00.55 | basbryan | AD is IMS reprieved |
| 04:00.59 | basbryan | ah |
| 04:01.18 | jrsims | We're the company's "data guys |
| 04:01.20 | jrsims | " |
| 04:01.27 | basbryan | jrsims: so u almost learned to program </troll>? |
| 04:02.01 | jrsims | we develop "synergies" with senior management and "facilitate actionable reporting" |
| 04:02.07 | basbryan | LOL |
| 04:02.23 | simonrvn | eew marketroid-speak |
| 04:02.29 | basbryan | i was CS... thus, i make3 programs that work.... |
| 04:02.56 | jrsims | Of course, with MS Access at your side, you're damn near unstoppable. Until they give you actual work to do. |
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| 04:03.02 | basbryan | even if the output can only be understood |
| 04:03.02 | basbryan | by other programmers |
| 04:03.13 | basbryan | i saw M$ access once |
| 04:03.18 | basbryan | got a rash |
| 04:03.28 | basbryan | haven't got a date since |
| 04:03.35 | jrsims | It has that property. |
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| 04:03.40 | mhall | jrsims: oh yeah? well i harness dynamic value |
| 04:03.58 | mhall | basbryan: never had a date *before* either though |
| 04:04.05 | basbryan | i did have 1 |
| 04:04.07 | maher | am i hallucinating or did cafepress use to sell debian postage stamps? |
| 04:04.15 | basbryan | that lasted 10 minutes |
| 04:04.15 | wsjunior | hello, how do i configure my bluetooth card on debian? |
| 04:04.20 | jrsims | mhall: At your workplace, I'll bet you have customer service reps. We have "Customer Satisfaction Engineers". |
| 04:04.37 | simonrvn | oh please stop, this is gross |
| 04:04.40 | basbryan | we have "software evangelists" |
| 04:04.44 | jrsims | GAY |
| 04:04.45 | CHodapp | We had people who insisted that you call them "Guests", not "customers" |
| 04:04.49 | jikuty | alright, im gonna reboot and test this out |
| 04:04.53 | jikuty | thanks for your help simon |
| 04:04.57 | simonrvn | jikuty: you don't need to reboot |
| 04:04.59 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:05.03 | jikuty | no? |
| 04:05.06 | simonrvn | no :) |
| 04:05.10 | wsjunior | i installed the bluetooth package but hcitool doesnt show anything :/ |
| 04:05.17 | wsjunior | could anybody help me with this? |
| 04:05.32 | wsjunior | i tried hcitool scan |
| 04:06.03 | mhall | jrsims: dude i work for hp; we have all that and more |
| 04:06.09 | jrsims | Speaking of buzzwords, here's one I actually found amusing: "Bob and Bill are have engaged in endless light-sabering over the issue of cost vs. benefit." |
| 04:06.13 | simonrvn | jikuty: ok, do this modprobe snd-pcm-oss, then do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp; then tell me what you hear if anything |
| 04:06.15 | wsjunior | is there any gui to control bluetooth connections? |
| 04:06.24 | wsjunior | why there isnt gnome-bluetooth on debian? |
| 04:06.29 | jrsims | mhall: Buzzword bingo. |
| 04:06.35 | simonrvn | i fuck all about bluetooth |
| 04:06.43 | basbryan | is SOA just BS? |
| 04:06.56 | CHodapp | jrsims, light-sabering? That's a good one. |
| 04:07.23 | jrsims | CHodapp: I thought so. Sometimes you get some good ones. |
| 04:07.44 | jrsims | SOA makes sense. I don't think there's been very many effective implementations yet, though. |
| 04:08.04 | simonrvn | *zoingk* *zoinggrrbzzt* |
| 04:08.42 | simonrvn | *ptscshh* *ptscssh* *zongpsttshshsshshshshhshs* |
| 04:08.42 | basbryan | i went to a lecture with gosling where he said it was OOP with a new name... |
| 04:08.50 | jrsims | Isn't SOA pretty much a series of APIs between business systems? |
| 04:08.55 | CHodapp | all I ever got was consultants who tried to explain "If you can get a customer through the line in half as much time, that means twice as many customers" |
| 04:08.58 | basbryan | but i'm not sure what to think of it |
| 04:08.59 | mhall | jrsims: way to remix semantic value |
| 04:09.04 | ootput | have any of you any experience with setting up (via apt-move) a single local repo for different Releases. My network comprises of several etch and sarge boxes, and I while I specify different DIST targets in each box' apt-move.conf, all of the packages end up in the stable/ folder |
| 04:09.08 | ootput | is there a way to separate these packages according to Release? |
| 04:09.30 | jrsims | mhall: score |
| 04:09.36 | jikuty | simon: yay! sound! |
| 04:09.38 | jikuty | thanks a LOT! |
| 04:09.42 | simonrvn | :) |
| 04:10.04 | jrsims | basbryan: you a Java guy? |
| 04:11.27 | basbryan | jrsims: i know and like java, but i wouldn't say i am a java guy... what i actually do is much sadder than java... i am eve to embarrassed to admit it... |
| 04:11.38 | basbryan | even* |
| 04:12.05 | basbryan | too* also |
| 04:12.51 | basbryan | if it helps u solve the mystery.... i fixed a very sad OC4J config today |
| 04:13.07 | basbryan | on windoze |
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| 04:13.53 | jrsims | basbryan: I have no clue what that is. Can we have a car analogy? :) |
| 04:14.13 | basbryan | java is a taurus |
| 04:14.19 | basbryan | i workon pintos |
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| 04:14.47 | jrsims | Well, that's too bad. |
| 04:14.53 | basbryan | that have been repaired by "shade tree" mechanics for over 20 years |
| 04:14.53 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i have a interal hd inside of a old usb cdrw bay so i use it as a external drive. Is there a way to spin the drive down before i unplug it? (just unpluggin it sounds aweful) |
| 04:15.02 | jrsims | seriously, is IT all that interesting anymore? |
| 04:15.10 | basbryan | c# is a crime against humanity |
| 04:15.11 | jrsims | remmeber when it was cool and chic? |
| 04:15.26 | CHodapp | basbryan, and the advisor of my robotics club wants to use it for all the projects |
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| 04:15.44 | jrsims | MS for embedded systems?!?! |
| 04:15.50 | CHodapp | not embedded |
| 04:15.51 | basbryan | CHodapp: RUN!!!! |
| 04:16.10 | CHodapp | basbryan, I'm waiting for the opportunity to embarass the hell out of him in front of a big crowd |
| 04:16.18 | jrsims | You know, i heard that MS is developing some frameworks for robotics. |
| 04:16.23 | basbryan | CHodapp: heh |
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| 04:16.38 | liable | i thought pinned packages didnt get upgraded during upgrades? |
| 04:16.43 | CHodapp | "Any questions?" "Yeah.... does your ass hurt?" |
| 04:16.58 | basbryan | M$ is also developing a system that screws users in the @$$ without even using a computer |
| 04:17.25 | basbryan | r u human? |
| 04:17.26 | basbryan | ty |
| 04:17.39 | basbryan | give M$ $30 or get rebooted |
| 04:18.00 | basbryan | </rant> |
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| 04:18.05 | bcr | if you pay they reboot you anyway for a security update ;p |
| 04:18.23 | jrsims | Yeah, there seems to be a lot of interest in robotics on the part of the open source community. Not sure what MS will bring that probably isn't already out there. |
| 04:18.34 | wsjunior | could anybody help me with bluetooth on debian? |
| 04:18.50 | basbryan | jrsims: a "trusted" corporate brand |
| 04:18.54 | wsjunior | i got a bluetooth headset and im wondering how to configure it |
| 04:19.05 | wsjunior | is there any way to do it? |
| 04:19.08 | liable | wsjunior: try kbluetooth |
| 04:19.13 | basbryan | wsjunior: i don't bluetooth or i would |
| 04:19.30 | wsjunior | liable, is there any tool for gnome? |
| 04:19.49 | liable | wsjunior: dont believe so. this may help also http://www.linux.ie/articles/bluetoothheadset.php |
| 04:20.02 | jrsims | basbryan: yeah, support. That's how they get you. |
| 04:20.08 | liable | wsjunior: checkout alsa-bluetooth page too |
| 04:20.23 | wsjunior | liable, did u get it working? |
| 04:20.32 | basbryan | jrsims: [aying for support is ok |
| 04:20.35 | wsjunior | liable, is there any package dor alsa-bluetooth? |
| 04:20.37 | basbryan | paying* |
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| 04:20.51 | liable | wsjunior: yes, its been quite a while since i played with mine though, so i am not really much help to you |
| 04:20.58 | basbryan | however when u have only 1 vendor to choose from....?? |
| 04:21.07 | liable | wsjunior: you have to compile from source |
| 04:21.14 | basbryan | if i can |
| 04:21.19 | liable | !u |
| 04:21.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:21.39 | basbryan | can't* delete the virus, i should use M$ antivirus |
| 04:21.50 | basbryan | if my browser doesn't work... ?? |
| 04:21.59 | basbryan | use m$ browser |
| 04:22.01 | basbryan | etc |
| 04:22.22 | liable | sorry, i didnt realise i joined #windows by mistake :P |
| 04:23.16 | mhall | i never said MS C# |
| 04:23.25 | basbryan | mono? |
| 04:23.30 | basbryan | really? |
| 04:23.30 | mhall | mmhmm |
| 04:23.41 | jrsims | yeah, seriously. I can't see how MS is getting away with charging for it's own antivirus product. |
| 04:23.46 | basbryan | NICE |
| 04:23.54 | mhall | who says they are |
| 04:24.16 | mhall | for all we know they are dumping to kill competition |
| 04:24.19 | simonrvn | was a free download when i was browsing for wine stuff |
| 04:24.21 | basbryan | hey my virtual server seems to suck... |
| 04:24.26 | jrsims | I've heard of no legal controversies popping up around the issue. Which is puzzling. |
| 04:24.34 | basbryan | use M$ stuff more |
| 04:24.38 | basbryan | or IBM |
| 04:24.43 | pickcoder | man it's getting rough out |
| 04:24.48 | basbryan | or insert your favorite vendor here |
| 04:24.58 | liable | basbryan: file a wishlist bug |
| 04:25.20 | simonrvn | '' |
| 04:25.48 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.06 | simonrvn | that was in reply to basbryan's "insert your favorite vendor here" (and it's favourite, you yank !" :P) |
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| 04:26.26 | liable | and colour! :) |
| 04:27.00 | simonrvn | the u-wars strike again :P |
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| 04:27.11 | basbryan | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 |
| 04:27.29 | basbryan | that was my wishlist bug |
| 04:27.32 | liable | why are we wanting to look at ubuntu bugs? |
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| 04:27.41 | basbryan | u aren't |
| 04:27.48 | liable | YOU |
| 04:28.01 | basbryan | YOU aren't |
| 04:28.15 | mhall | jrsims: the bush administration decided to suck m$'s big rich cock |
| 04:28.23 | basbryan | though it says what i want to say very well |
| 04:28.43 | mhall | basbryan: favorite and vendor shouldn't be in the same sentence |
| 04:28.46 | liable | hah, along with any other huge corporation |
| 04:28.51 | mhall | simonrvn: loved your response |
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| 04:28.59 | mhall | liable: they killed the suit to fix m$ |
| 04:29.34 | basbryan | if u need an old english (read year 0800 translation) feel free to do your own homework |
| 04:29.54 | exobyte | on a fresh debian install, how can I get the headers that the env var KERNELPATH is associated with? |
| 04:30.02 | basbryan | not my fault langs change over time and u are too lazy to keep up |
| 04:30.03 | wsjunior | liable, how do i give the PIN from command line? |
| 04:30.14 | simonrvn | liable: like now, but worse |
| 04:30.25 | wsjunior | liable, i mean something like hcitoll cc MAC |
| 04:30.31 | wsjunior | tool* |
| 04:30.32 | liable | wsjunior: iirc when you pair it, it asks for it |
| 04:30.45 | simonrvn | too lazy to keep up? no wonder some people don't know their own history... |
| 04:31.00 | wsjunior | liable, ?! i can see it now with hcitool scan |
| 04:31.06 | wsjunior | liable, but i cant pair |
| 04:31.10 | wsjunior | liable, due the PIN |
| 04:31.24 | wsjunior | liable, i need to know how to pass it from command line |
| 04:31.33 | liable | simonrvn: me? |
| 04:31.57 | wsjunior | Can't create connection: Input/output error |
| 04:32.13 | liable | wsjunior: when you run hcitool, it doesnt ask for the pin? |
| 04:32.25 | jrsims | Quick! Age and location! I am 27 and living in Sacramento, CA |
| 04:32.28 | simonrvn | liable: nah |
| 04:32.36 | simonrvn | jrsims: ... |
| 04:32.43 | jrsims | do it. come on. |
| 04:32.45 | pickcoder | jrsims: I didn't know this was #debian-singles |
| 04:32.55 | simonrvn | 34, on turtle island |
| 04:33.52 | pickcoder | this location is very old |
| 04:33.55 | liable | wsjunior: i cant remember exactly how i did it, as I say, it was a while ago, but I remember it asking for the pin, and I only used the guide I linked and the alsa-bluetooth page |
| 04:34.02 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:34.24 | simonrvn | yes it is :) |
| 04:35.02 | mhall | jrsims: woah shit you're in sac |
| 04:35.09 | mhall | jrsims: i'm up the hill in roseswill |
| 04:35.35 | jrsims | mhall: no way |
| 04:35.40 | mhall | jrsims: for real |
| 04:35.45 | jrsims | sweet |
| 04:35.49 | jrsims | I'm actually from Auburn |
| 04:35.50 | mhall | ya |
| 04:35.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:35.53 | mhall | jrsims: lol |
| 04:35.58 | mhall | jrsims: that place is way the hell out |
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| 04:36.09 | jrsims | Auburn? |
| 04:36.10 | simonrvn | that's cool, a coupla neighbours meet |
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| 04:36.29 | jrsims | yeah, this is pretty random |
| 04:36.37 | jrsims | pickcoder: yeah, seriously. How's the weather out there? |
| 04:36.41 | pickcoder | btw.. the weather channel people get on my nerves |
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| 04:36.48 | simonrvn | montreal, "QC" |
| 04:36.51 | pickcoder | it sucks right now |
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| 04:36.54 | pickcoder | the eye is approaching |
| 04:37.05 | simonrvn | oh fuck |
| 04:37.14 | pickcoder | this is nuttin, though. |
| 04:37.19 | pickcoder | a major annoyance for my PC |
| 04:37.30 | jrsims | pickcoder: power outtages? |
| 04:37.39 | pickcoder | shorts and brownouts |
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| 04:37.46 | liable | i think i would prolly turn of my box in a cyclone |
| 04:37.55 | mrphreak | hi :D |
| 04:37.55 | pickcoder | just long enough to screw my DLP up |
| 04:37.57 | liable | s/cyclone/hurricane/ |
| 04:38.08 | simonrvn | liable: i would too :) |
| 04:38.43 | jrsims | pickcoder: and how are the rains? |
| 04:38.52 | liable | simonrvn: though, i guess theres not much else to do than irc during one too :) |
| 04:38.57 | pickcoder | lots of flooding |
| 04:38.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:39.03 | jrsims | crazy |
| 04:39.05 | pickcoder | but it's low-tide right now |
| 04:39.07 | simonrvn | yeh, i suppose |
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| 04:39.21 | jrsims | pickcoder: how near the coast are you? |
| 04:39.23 | simonrvn | pickcoder: not so bad then |
| 04:39.34 | liable | got weather radar link? |
| 04:39.41 | pickcoder | I live about a mile from downtown and about 1000 yards from the Cape Fear river |
| 04:39.48 | simonrvn | weeee |
| 04:39.52 | mhall | pickcoder: shiiiyt |
| 04:39.57 | pickcoder | wrightsville is about 15 mins |
| 04:40.00 | jrsims | oh crap |
| 04:40.12 | jrsims | have you been flooded before? |
| 04:40.17 | pickcoder | 3 times |
| 04:40.22 | pickcoder | freaking A/C duct |
| 04:40.26 | jrsims | good god |
| 04:40.34 | pickcoder | house hasn't gotten flooded yet. |
| 04:40.35 | jrsims | same place? |
| 04:40.40 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 04:40.40 | jrsims | ok |
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| 04:41.01 | jetscreamer | i want to choose a network fs. help. |
| 04:41.20 | simonrvn | nfs --help :P |
| 04:41.21 | jrsims | I don't know how you people do it. Living under constant threat of hurricanes. |
| 04:41.23 | pickcoder | www.wwaytv3.com has local doppler radar |
| 04:41.38 | liable | ta |
| 04:41.46 | pickcoder | jrsims: it's only 3-4 months outta the year |
| 04:41.56 | pickcoder | jrsims: and we're overdue for a major one |
| 04:41.57 | jrsims | That's 1/3 of the year! |
| 04:42.02 | simonrvn | only constant for 3-4 months ;p |
| 04:42.02 | jrsims | every year! |
| 04:42.04 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: out of coda samba andrews and *whatever that's in the kernel, you think i should go nfs? |
| 04:42.24 | jetscreamer | it's 2 linux boxes btw |
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| 04:42.39 | Serialkiller | help please. named ( bind ) died. When i try to start i get /usr/sbin/named: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/named: undefined symbol: dns_resolver_setudpsize |
| 04:42.39 | Serialkiller | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.40 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: what do you need? simple, or with various bits of ACLs and stuff? |
| 04:42.45 | simonrvn | oh, nfs |
| 04:42.53 | mhall | Serialkiller: ldconfig |
| 04:43.03 | simonrvn | you could play with nfsv4 once it's set up |
| 04:43.03 | jetscreamer | simple, but with room to experiment |
| 04:43.26 | jetscreamer | the word coda always kinda sounded cool... all i know |
| 04:43.38 | simonrvn | not very active atm |
| 04:43.42 | simonrvn | dev-wise |
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| 04:43.51 | jetscreamer | active devs yes good feature |
| 04:43.53 | liable | pickcoder: where are ya? wilmington? |
| 04:43.54 | Serialkiller | mhall, ok.. still doing it |
| 04:44.03 | pickcoder | liable: year |
| 04:44.06 | pickcoder | liable: yeah |
| 04:44.13 | jrsims | My eyes are heavy. I need sleep. |
| 04:44.32 | jetscreamer | k i'm easy, nfsv4 sounds sexy |
| 04:44.34 | jrsims | Talk to you all later! mhall: keep it real in RSV |
| 04:44.47 | simonrvn | nfs+kerberosv5 auth and stuff |
| 04:44.50 | mhall | jrsims: word is bond, word is bond |
| 04:44.56 | jrsims | lol |
| 04:45.13 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 04:45.15 | mhall | simonrvn: i liked the toothpick joke btw fwiw |
| 04:45.20 | simonrvn | tbh, mine are too, but i'm dinner |
| 04:45.32 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: npee |
| 04:45.38 | simonrvn | eating* |
| 04:45.43 | simonrvn | mhall: :) |
| 04:45.43 | Serialkiller | mhall, any other ideas? i dont really understand this error or why it happened. Yesterday everything was cool |
| 04:45.45 | mhall | simonrvn: reminds me of that one mythological story i heard about how the wolf came last before god |
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| 04:45.52 | mhall | Serialkiller: ok. what has changed? |
| 04:45.58 | Serialkiller | nothing should had |
| 04:46.04 | mhall | Serialkiller: *should* ? |
| 04:46.11 | jetscreamer | bash: modconf: command not found zomg! |
| 04:46.11 | mhall | Serialkiller: what *could have changed* |
| 04:46.19 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:46.31 | Serialkiller | workign when i went to bed, not working when i woke up. Cpanel might have stried to update. that is all i can think of |
| 04:46.31 | Farris1 | Does anyone know how (or if it's possible) to use an if statement within a tmake template file? |
| 04:46.55 | liable | hrm, i installed a cvs mesa, and now i have ldconfig borkage.. time to break x in an attempt to fix it :) |
| 04:46.57 | mhall | modconf: usr/sbin/modconf |
| 04:47.02 | mhall | jetscreamer: ^^^ |
| 04:47.08 | simonrvn | / |
| 04:47.12 | mhall | jetscreamer: apt-get install --reinstall modconf |
| 04:47.24 | mhall | Serialkiller: hmm. |
| 04:47.40 | mhall | Serialkiller: apt-get install --reinstall ? |
| 04:47.56 | mhall | Serialkiller: usually a symbol error means something is not in sync with its libraries |
| 04:48.06 | mhall | Serialkiller: so i'd try ldd $(which named) |
| 04:48.19 | mhall | Serialkiller: and see if it's got any non-system libs which could use a reinstall |
| 04:48.45 | mhall | Serialkiller: meanwhile go kill some serial ports |
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| 04:49.27 | mhall | and we'll work on architecting socialistic synergy between the dynamic adaptive frameworks comprising your dns server |
| 04:50.12 | liable | whats that in engrish please :) |
| 04:50.45 | mhall | what guys? i'm just trying to integrate dynamic communities into a holistic communicative experience |
| 04:51.19 | mhall | but i'm sorry liable , i'm not sure there's an easy way to disintermediate the semantic mashups |
| 04:51.20 | liable | hehe |
| 04:51.40 | liable | dict just segfaulted trying to deal with that! |
| 04:52.33 | mhall | liable: perhaps they misintegrated the rich-client lexicographical ecologies? |
| 04:53.06 | liable | not to mention what you are doing to my poor wee brain.. |
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| 04:54.03 | simonrvn | mhall: those are funny, tbh |
| 04:54.09 | liable | meh, cant find the radar images of the cyclone we had a couple of months ago, looked quite nasty |
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| 04:54.19 | jetscreamer | i needed to install it... |
| 04:54.22 | jetscreamer | fresh install |
| 04:54.26 | simonrvn | aah |
| 04:54.26 | g333k | Hi, the refresh of my laptop's monitor is too low I think... 59hz I'm using it at 1280x800 with H-refresh: 28.0-96.0 and V-refresh: 50-75, how can I improve the total refresh? |
| 04:55.03 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor, and look into usemodelines |
| 04:55.03 | simonrvn | i suppose you could boost the upper limit |
| 04:56.07 | liable | why doesnt dpkg do that for xorg any more? someone mentioned it ages ago, then Guerin reminded me the other day. you dont get to change drivers or anything when you reconfigure it. |
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| 04:56.35 | liable | xorg i am talking about btw :) |
| 04:56.50 | liable | oh, i mentioned xorg already.. |
| 04:57.19 | g333k | liable, I did dpkg-reconfigure and it didnt ask me about h and v refresh nor about resolutions modes |
| 04:57.29 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' debconf priority... or that one section where it says advanced/med/beginner.. haven't seen that one lately... don't use it much at all though |
| 04:57.51 | jetscreamer | it 'used' to only ask you the rates when you chose advanced |
| 04:58.03 | simonrvn | -plow |
| 04:58.23 | liable | g333k: ya, thats what i am saying, it doesnt ask for what video driver you want to use either anymore |
| 04:58.26 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure -plow foo |
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| 04:58.50 | jetscreamer | !plow |
| 04:58.57 | g333k | -plow ? what is if for? |
| 04:59.03 | mhall | g333k: well you know the name of the game, you have to architect your open-source systems before you can monetize your intuitive methodologies |
| 04:59.24 | jetscreamer | obviously to choose more advanced settings |
| 04:59.35 | simonrvn | --priority |
| 04:59.36 | g333k | :o |
| 04:59.37 | jetscreamer | i reckon |
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| 05:00.23 | focua | how do i set (from a non graphical environment) my pc to join the lan ? |
| 05:00.34 | g333k | If I put wrong values in h and v refresh can I damage my lcd monitor? |
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| 05:00.40 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:00.44 | liable | simonrvn: duh, i never tried it myself, was only wondering on others behalf. of course, -plow does it :) |
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| 05:01.18 | onweald_ti1 | focua: you have configured your network card? |
| 05:01.19 | g333k | how can I know the limits? my manufacter doesnt give me this information |
| 05:01.21 | jetscreamer | somevalues can be just a little off and not kill it, some can |
| 05:01.34 | focua | no |
| 05:01.35 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --monitor , as i said |
| 05:01.53 | liable | eh, i need writing lessons. i cant seem to express myself properly in text |
| 05:02.15 | g333k | jetscreamer, it tells me 1280x800@60hz |
| 05:02.31 | jetscreamer | it's lcd, sounds right |
| 05:02.39 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 05:02.40 | onweald_ti1 | focua: You'll need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:02.41 | jetscreamer | but |
| 05:02.45 | mhall | liable: you know if i wrote code with an option like -plow i'd have an easter egg when you wrote field |
| 05:02.49 | g333k | jetscreamer, 60Hz is ok? |
| 05:02.55 | jetscreamer | i find just googling the model # of the monitor gives good google |
| 05:02.58 | mhall | liable: but most people don't think shit like that's funny |
| 05:03.04 | mhall | g333k: 60 hz is cool on an lcd |
| 05:03.07 | jetscreamer | g333k: that's what lcd's run at |
| 05:03.11 | simonrvn | liable: s'ok |
| 05:03.13 | mhall | jetscreamer: *some* do 75 |
| 05:03.19 | jetscreamer | well it's a default of some at least |
| 05:03.24 | g333k | oohh I was thinking as CRT |
| 05:03.25 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:03.33 | mhall | jetscreamer: yeah prolly 90% of em or more are 60 tho |
| 05:03.35 | onweald_ti1 | focua: See if you already have the network card configured there. It should have a line like: iface eth0 |
| 05:03.46 | mhall | jetscreamer: and i never saw one that could do 75 that didn't support 60 as backup |
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| 05:03.53 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 05:03.57 | focua | if not how do i configthe card ? |
| 05:03.58 | mhall | jetscreamer: but i imagine maybe there's a highend one which is that way |
| 05:03.59 | jetscreamer | i haven't seen many though |
| 05:04.00 | onweald_ti1 | focua: If you have that line, you should be able to use: ifup eth0 |
| 05:04.07 | jetscreamer | lcd's i mean |
| 05:04.18 | jetscreamer | i'm the junk man :( |
| 05:04.21 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i have a interal hd inside of a old usb cdrw bay so i use it as a external drive. Is there a way to spin the drive down before i unplug it? (just unpluggin it sounds aweful) |
| 05:04.21 | mhall | jetscreamer: i just use this dell i got with el cheapo coupon codes |
| 05:04.33 | mhall | jetscreamer: it's perfect for me, 1600x1200 |
| 05:04.47 | jetscreamer | my idea of ridin in style is a $50 used 21" crt |
| 05:04.54 | liable | there should be more easter eggs in linux programs |
| 05:05.06 | Danamania | crt++ |
| 05:05.12 | jetscreamer | i read something about that a bit back liable |
| 05:05.23 | exobyte | is there a quick way to see if smp is going (for my dual core system) |
| 05:05.32 | jetscreamer | somebody said easter eggs in oss, what's the point iirc |
| 05:05.35 | jetscreamer | just fyi |
| 05:05.39 | Danamania | except for the whole thing with monitors having their own gravity. that's a bit much. |
| 05:05.47 | onweald_ti1 | focua: Assuming the driver is loaded, add this to /etc/network/interfaces: auto eth0 ; iface eth0 inet auto |
| 05:05.51 | mhall | liable: 'make love' is a classic |
| 05:06.05 | onweald_ti1 | focua: Where the ; represents a new line. |
| 05:06.11 | jetscreamer | moo is all mu neighed |
| 05:06.14 | onweald_ti1 | focua: Let me check something to make sure I told you right. |
| 05:06.15 | epsilon | How hard is it to install horde with IMP? I have already running mailsystem (incl. courier-imap) |
| 05:06.15 | mhall | liable: luckily my java app has an easter egg |
| 05:06.20 | mhall | liable: pictures of our team |
| 05:06.29 | mhall | liable: and we update at every release |
| 05:06.38 | liable | mhall: eh, imbedded image? |
| 05:06.44 | g333k | once I did my monitor work at 1280x960 |
| 05:06.46 | iter | epsilon: 1 hour |
| 05:06.53 | iter | (doe) |
| 05:06.58 | mhall | liable: well it's java so we have dynamic jar loaders, which conveniently can also dynamically load zips |
| 05:07.05 | iter | this was fbsd that I did it though |
| 05:07.11 | epsilon | iter: for ppl never worked with horde before? |
| 05:07.12 | iter | deb might be a lot easier |
| 05:07.15 | mhall | liable: so you can stick em in a jar or zip someplace nobody'd look 10 layers deep |
| 05:07.17 | iter | yeah I never did |
| 05:07.25 | mhall | liable: then just write a bit of code for a hidden button in the about box |
| 05:07.29 | mhall | liable: and bob's your uncle |
| 05:07.33 | onweald_ti1 | focua: auto lo eth0 ; iface lo inet loopback ; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 05:07.41 | iter | mta was 100% though |
| 05:07.43 | simonrvn | no he isn't, i don't have an uncle bob |
| 05:07.44 | onweald_ti1 | Replace ";" with a new line. |
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| 05:07.55 | g333k | Hey! We now have the "updater" of ubuntu? |
| 05:07.57 | onweald_ti1 | then use: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 05:07.58 | liable | mhall: nice, i think its a, err, cute, for want of a better word, feature :) |
| 05:08.02 | jetscreamer | focua: sounds like an etch install to me |
| 05:08.05 | iter | that is, I didn't have to change one thing about the mta |
| 05:08.07 | simonrvn | g333k: modified for debian |
| 05:08.12 | onweald_ti1 | focua: If you have dhcp on your network then this should work. |
| 05:08.14 | g333k | wtf? |
| 05:08.17 | g333k | why? |
| 05:08.30 | simonrvn | because i suppose some people wanted it.. |
| 05:08.32 | g333k | So we are going to look as ubuntu now? |
| 05:08.46 | liable | brown? |
| 05:08.47 | g333k | Even the menus where modified as ubuntu |
| 05:08.54 | simonrvn | i tried it in ubuntu and debian. still sucks =) |
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| 05:09.40 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 05:09.50 | mhall | liable: that's one thing kind of cool about java, everything is highly dynamic |
| 05:10.01 | simonrvn | that does express what i think about it, however |
| 05:10.02 | jetscreamer | dselect>* |
| 05:10.04 | liable | i agree actually, but not so much with the death bit :) |
| 05:10.09 | mhall | liable: you can literally compile up a new JAR and start executing code out of it from your app without stopping and starting it |
| 05:10.35 | simonrvn | liable: yeh, i was having a bit of fun at my expense |
| 05:11.12 | liable | simonrvn: noted :) |
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| 05:11.35 | focua | ok just another thing i want to manually boot my sys there's a way (cat or find) in the grub console to know the kernel image to pass and the initrd ? |
| 05:12.42 | g333k | does the line "deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib" should exist in the sources.list ? I mean about the "src" |
| 05:12.45 | mhall | liable: we don't really load any code into our app except on demand |
| 05:12.56 | simonrvn | focua: run 'help' can show you |
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| 05:12.57 | mhall | liable: that way you don't get penalized for features you don't use |
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| 05:13.03 | simonrvn | IIRC... |
| 05:13.16 | focua | mean afaik to boot i need to type root (hd0,0) ; kernel kernel_image <parameters> ; initrd <path_to_initrd> ; boot |
| 05:13.22 | liable | mhall: sweet, I want to learn some goddam language one day, but I suck at learning by myself, excell in a classroom environment, but I cant get any courses for computing that are actually worthy of doing where I live :( |
| 05:13.24 | simonrvn | g333k: that's ok, it's for source packages |
| 05:13.28 | mhall | g333k: -src if you want sourcecode available |
| 05:13.36 | g333k | in scurity= |
| 05:13.38 | g333k | ? |
| 05:13.38 | focua | but how to know what kernel a sys is using from grub console ? |
| 05:13.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:13.42 | mhall | g333k: hurts nothing if you don't use it, just causes extra downloads when you run update |
| 05:13.55 | mhall | g333k: but not extra downloads for packages or dist-upgrade though |
| 05:14.00 | pickcoder | focua: just type kernel to see which kernel it's defaulting to |
| 05:14.01 | mhall | g333k: so it's a pretty small change really |
| 05:14.09 | focua | ah ok |
| 05:14.13 | mhall | liable: where are you again? i forget |
| 05:14.16 | g333k | when I use this line I got error at apt-get update |
| 05:14.22 | simonrvn | been a while since i used the grub shell |
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| 05:14.25 | mhall | liable: learning by yourself is hard, the key is to have an objective |
| 05:14.28 | mhall | liable: and a deadline |
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| 05:14.37 | mhall | liable: once you have those, you can learn anything you need |
| 05:14.37 | liable | mhall: .au (fairly small town in queensland) |
| 05:14.49 | mhall | liable: oh shit, that's not too good for the learning |
| 05:15.14 | simonrvn | the 'net helps... having a library is better |
| 05:15.25 | liable | mhall: ya, I can do a dreamweaver course at the local TAFE, but thats about as far as it goes :( |
| 05:15.34 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 05:15.56 | liable | i need to be in a classroom environment to really do well I have found |
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| 05:17.31 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 05:18.00 | simonrvn | me i learn well either on my own, or quickly. i'm a fast learner, i get bored in classrooms |
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| 05:18.31 | FatalErro | anyone want channel ops |
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| 05:18.37 | FatalErro | press alt-f4 |
| 05:18.41 | liable | i like classrooms cause other people might bounce ideas that I havent thought of |
| 05:18.47 | Tallu | FatalErro: arent you lame |
| 05:18.49 | liable | FatalErro: fuck off |
| 05:18.55 | amphi | FatalErro: just switched me to vt4 |
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| 05:19.02 | pickcoder | FatalErro: get a new IRC joke |
| 05:19.11 | simonrvn | FatalErro: oh, so funny. *snore* |
| 05:19.12 | pickcoder | FatalErro: that one is about 10 years old |
| 05:19.13 | FatalErro | lol |
| 05:19.30 | FatalErro | still ya tried it didn't ya |
| 05:19.43 | Tallu | Nope. You're just a fucking idiot. |
| 05:19.44 | dendrite | FatalErro: ... Um, No. |
| 05:19.45 | simonrvn | not i |
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| 05:19.52 | mhall | liable: hmm how the hell can you get a deadline |
| 05:19.55 | xevious | i installed the legacy nvidia kernel module and it put the .ko file in /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/nvidia/ and if i try 'modprobe nvidia' it says there isn't a module named nvidia. i have to do 'insmod /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko' ... how do i make it so modprobe will be able to find that file? i've tried putting a copy of it in /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia, but it still doesn't see it |
| 05:20.13 | simonrvn | xevious: try running depmod -aA |
| 05:20.17 | xevious | thanks |
| 05:20.17 | simonrvn | then the modprobe |
| 05:20.22 | mhall | christ you guys, it was just a joke |
| 05:20.25 | mhall | give the guy a break |
| 05:20.33 | mhall | you could at least reply WNBT |
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| 05:20.54 | simonrvn | was a bad one :( |
| 05:20.59 | dendrite | mhall: This channel takes a dim view of people giving bad advice. |
| 05:21.12 | liable | mhall: eh? what do you mean? |
| 05:21.41 | mhall | liable: so that you'll learn |
| 05:21.46 | simonrvn | eh, whatever. could have been a funnier one. like saying /disco lights on to a troll ;p |
| 05:21.54 | xevious | simonrvn: i tried removing the one i had copied around first and leaving the /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko file there and doing depmod-aA;modprobe nvidia, which didn't work |
| 05:22.10 | xevious | simonrvn: it worked when i copied it back in there though |
| 05:22.15 | xevious | thanks |
| 05:22.24 | xevious | byebye |
| 05:23.31 | mhall | simonrvn: my point is, doing that to people often results in crapflooding |
| 05:23.45 | liable | mhall: thats the problem, I am just a hobbiest, so I learn what I need, to get what I need done, and stop. But, I have K&R and a few other books, but I just cant learn that way so it seems.. |
| 05:24.15 | dendrite | liable: K&R works well if you do the example questions. |
| 05:24.34 | amphi | liable: 'hobbyist' - or do you really mean 'one of the most hobby' ? |
| 05:24.45 | simonrvn | mhall: *shrug* |
| 05:25.06 | liable | amphi: i cant spell two! |
| 05:25.15 | Guerin | liable: spel |
| 05:25.18 | amphi | ;) |
| 05:25.24 | liable | doh |
| 05:25.33 | liable | when will irssi get autospell! |
| 05:25.42 | g333k | What about the 64 bits tech guys? I'm planning to buy a laptop AMD Turion X2... are we prepared for that? |
| 05:25.46 | simonrvn | isn't there some aspell script for irssi? |
| 05:25.54 | g333k | Of course I will use debian on it |
| 05:25.55 | amphi | liable: there is a script that'll let you tab-complete every word... |
| 05:25.56 | Guerin | sure is |
| 05:25.59 | mhall | g333k: oof. no openoffice v 2 and no flash and limited java |
| 05:26.09 | mhall | g333k: which doesn't matter worth a shit on a server, sure |
| 05:26.15 | Guerin | amphi: i need the 'automatically know based on context who I'm talking to' script |
| 05:26.18 | mhall | g333k: but on a client box that's kind of a fucker |
| 05:26.27 | liable | heh, i actually intentionally mispell to piss off the grammar nazis often :) |
| 05:26.28 | amphi | Guerin: heh |
| 05:26.37 | mhall | Guerin: is the world-travel done? |
| 05:26.42 | bcr | you can run 32 bit apps on 64 bit debian |
| 05:26.45 | g333k | But I still can use the 32bits version of debian right? |
| 05:26.52 | mhall | Guerin: i meant to keep up with your blog but you outwrite my time allotment |
| 05:26.54 | bcr | including flash, oo, java, gmplayer win32 dlls, etc |
| 05:27.02 | Guerin | mhall: gravity got the better of me, so I'm abck home, now at grad skool. |
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| 05:27.09 | mhall | Guerin: not to say your writing is bad, don't get me wrong, you're just quite comprehensive |
| 05:27.18 | mhall | Guerin: gravity got the better of you? |
| 05:27.29 | pickcoder | g333k: I've yet to see any major difference running a 64-bit kernel, but that's just on one box running a mail server. <G> |
| 05:27.32 | Guerin | mhall: i did write rather a lot; but as marco polo sid, i have not told half of what I have seen. |
| 05:27.41 | liable | mhall: NZ is a very dense island :) |
| 05:27.53 | Guerin | mhall: i fell off a motorbike, broke my collarbone and had to come home with tail between legs |
| 05:28.20 | g333k | bcr, but I wouldn't been taking advantage of the 64bit tech |
| 05:28.21 | liable | Guerin: i hope it was a real motorbike! |
| 05:28.31 | liable | not a moped :) |
| 05:28.45 | Guerin | and have decided to do the sensible thing, ie, stay here a while, get me some better quals, etc. |
| 05:28.48 | Guerin | liable: shaddup you |
| 05:28.59 | g333k | So the advice is to keep my 32bit laptop for a while |
| 05:29.09 | Guerin | motorbike license is about $400 in NZ, it's fucking stupid |
| 05:29.32 | liable | those orange cones cost a lot to purchase.. |
| 05:30.01 | Guerin | liable: and a 15-minute 'you can drive in a straight line and stop without falling off' test costs $50 of that |
| 05:30.22 | liable | Guerin: yeah, pretty much same here |
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| 05:31.38 | cr3 | how does audio output differ between totem and rhythmbox? the sound quality for both just isn't the same :( |
| 05:32.14 | g333k | using different sound engines? |
| 05:32.15 | liable | cr3: hrm, are both using same output plugin? |
| 05:32.32 | g333k | maybe one uses alsa and another oss? |
| 05:33.00 | mhall | Guerin: but what the hell though, that's not a seriously injury |
| 05:33.02 | g333k | cr3, use amarok and be happy |
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| 05:33.09 | Guerin | cr3: which is worse? |
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| 05:33.27 | mhall | Guerin: did it do something real weird to the bones? |
| 05:33.42 | Guerin | mhall: but it does stop me from carrying a pack, and did stop me from using my right arm for anything for ~6 weeks |
| 05:33.48 | liable | Guerin: what was the addy for the blog, didnt read it since before you left |
| 05:33.51 | mhall | Guerin: oh shit, that's fucked |
| 05:33.59 | liable | no wanking! |
| 05:34.06 | Guerin | mhall: double fracture, with a bit floating in between some muscles, but it's healed up properly now |
| 05:34.07 | mhall | Guerin: i didn't think collarbones were that bad |
| 05:34.14 | pickcoder | Guerin: did you hae to wear a shoulder brace? |
| 05:34.15 | mhall | liable: he doesn't need to |
| 05:34.16 | vicmic | hello im trying to install debian on my laptop is a toshiba portege r205 it dosent have cd rooms so i plug my usb one into it but i think than the installation dosent detect it |
| 05:34.19 | Guerin | liable: rt2k6.feayn.org |
| 05:34.21 | pickcoder | s/hae/have |
| 05:34.25 | vicmic | what can i do?? |
| 05:34.33 | Guerin | pickcoder: yeah, fucing uncomfortable things that they are |
| 05:34.39 | liable | mhall: haha, you think being married==sex?? |
| 05:34.52 | Guerin | liable: of course it does |
| 05:35.02 | Guerin | liable: if you married the right woman :) |
| 05:35.12 | liable | indeed :) |
| 05:35.13 | cr3 | liable: how can I determine if they are both using the same output plugin? I can't find the plugin in the preferences of rhythmbox |
| 05:35.26 | liable | cr3: should be there somewhere |
| 05:35.30 | vicmic | so how can i install debian on my lap |
| 05:35.35 | vicmic | ????????????????? |
| 05:35.38 | cr3 | Guerin: rhythmbox is worse |
| 05:35.44 | Stevie-O | quick, add more question marks! |
| 05:35.52 | pickcoder | Guerin: my brother broke his and he had to wear one of those for a while |
| 05:35.54 | Guerin | cr3: i blame gnome |
| 05:36.01 | cr3 | Guerin: does rhythmbox use gstreamer? |
| 05:36.11 | Guerin | cr3: yes, iirc. |
| 05:36.22 | cr3 | liable: if rhythmbox uses gstreamer, that might explain why I can't find the configuration in the rhythmbox preferences |
| 05:36.27 | mhall | liable: well here's the thing, variables like sex are mostly continuous along an interval |
| 05:36.41 | vicmic | nobody here knows how to do it?? |
| 05:36.42 | anapivirtua | Meuh all |
| 05:36.53 | mhall | liable: and the low end of the married interval is higher than the low end of the single interval, with respect to that variable |
| 05:37.04 | cr3 | Guerin: cool! so I'll try to configure gstreamer somehow |
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| 05:37.17 | mhall | liable: as for me, i haven't gotten more than two dates with one woman or gotten past third base with any woman |
| 05:37.28 | mhall | liable: nor am i likely to be able to do so for a very long time |
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| 05:38.02 | Guerin | mhall: that should be bash.orged |
| 05:38.12 | Guerin | mhall: that should be bash.orgied? |
| 05:38.21 | mhall | Guerin: which part? |
| 05:38.21 | liable | mhall: :( |
| 05:38.31 | Guerin | mhall: the statistical analysis, mostly |
| 05:38.37 | mhall | Guerin: well if you like |
| 05:38.52 | mhall | Guerin: everything i submitted and everything submitted about me has so far failed |
| 05:38.55 | Guerin | mhall: the implication being that the confession is likely true for anyone who can make such an analysis off the top oif his head |
| 05:39.06 | pickcoder | vicmic: can you boot from the CD? |
| 05:39.21 | liable | me, i just suck at relationships.. people either bore me, or shit me to tears after a wjile. I am thinking of renting a cave somewhere that has internet access :P |
| 05:39.22 | mhall | Guerin: yes. i approach maths very intuitively. |
| 05:39.38 | mhall | liable: why not just live in a peering point |
| 05:40.09 | mhall | liable: in the ones with raised floors, the part below the floor is the perfect temperature to cool a case of beer |
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| 05:41.11 | g333k | is it safe to upgrade all my packages? |
| 05:41.27 | Guerin | g333k: roll the dice |
| 05:41.32 | liable | mhall: hrm, good beer cooladge sounds like a definate advantage. where can I apply for a peering point? |
| 05:41.39 | Guerin | g333k: do you feel lucky, punk? |
| 05:41.45 | liable | Guerin: if you have sarge, yes :) |
| 05:41.48 | g333k | Guerin, not really |
| 05:41.57 | g333k | etch |
| 05:41.59 | streuner | ravenbird, liable is <reply> "<liable> me, i just suck at relationships.. people either bore me, or shit me to tears after a wjile. I am thinking of renting a cave somewhere that has internet access :P" |
| 05:41.59 | ravenbird | streuner: okay |
| 05:42.15 | liable | streuner: you bastard! |
| 05:42.31 | liable | prolly not much worse than the other one though :) |
| 05:42.47 | streuner | prove your statement yourself when you are awake |
| 05:42.56 | liable | huh? |
| 05:42.57 | streuner | ravenbird, forget liable |
| 05:42.58 | ravenbird | i forgot liable, streuner |
| 05:43.05 | liable | i am awake! |
| 05:43.07 | g333k | So can I know what updates should I pick and what no? |
| 05:43.27 | lontra | you could install apt-listbugs |
| 05:43.44 | liable | as long as others have filed a bug.. |
| 05:43.51 | lontra | it's true |
| 05:44.12 | lontra | but we all file bug reports, right? |
| 05:44.29 | liable | streuner: what do you mean? i didnt quite understand that comment, you could have left it, i dont care :) |
| 05:45.27 | mhall | !mhall |
| 05:45.27 | dpkg | from memory, mhall is 10:37 < mhall> jm_: i'm an idiot; i did eval 'lesspipe' not eval `lesspipe` |
| 05:45.37 | mhall | shit i need a funnier one than that |
| 05:45.38 | liable | Guerin: heh, do you have a summary? you know, short attention span and everything :) |
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| 05:45.46 | mhall | dpkg listkeys mhall |
| 05:45.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mhall' by key (3): _default mhall ;; mhall ;; #debian mhall. |
| 05:45.51 | mhall | dpkg listvals mhall |
| 05:45.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mhall' by value (4): qotd160 ;; mhall ;; pr0n.sf.net ;; blackbox. |
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| 05:46.02 | liable | no smite anymore? |
| 05:46.04 | mhall | dpkf qotd160 |
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| 05:46.09 | mhall | dpkg qotd160 |
| 05:46.09 | dpkg | qotd160 is probably <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue" |
| 05:46.13 | Guerin | liable: nope. SOrry. Just think, I was in paradise and found time to write it all, can't be that hard to read it all. |
| 05:46.16 | mhall | liable: long political story |
| 05:46.26 | streuner | liable: no, "language-police" removed it. |
| 05:46.44 | mhall | liable: this is why i rarely enter the channel anymore |
| 05:46.55 | liable | heh, we need policers for the policers :) |
| 05:46.58 | mhall | liable: i didn't feel that what i felt was my contribution was valued |
| 05:47.04 | liable | i try my best, but .. |
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| 05:47.14 | mhall | so i decided it were best to mostly quit contributing it |
| 05:47.27 | liable | mhall: as have many, unfortunately :( |
| 05:48.55 | lontra | ha ha emacs psychiatrist |
| 05:49.05 | liable | err, that didnt really make sense.. |
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| 05:49.41 | Guerin | lontra: still funny after all these years? |
| 05:49.43 | liable | mhall: <take 2> same as many, unfortunately |
| 05:50.01 | lontra | sometimes, except it won't give me an easter egg |
| 05:52.20 | mhall | liable: well good for them |
| 05:52.26 | mhall | liable: if the channel is fucked fuck the channel |
| 05:52.39 | mhall | the world is a marketplace of ideas |
| 05:52.48 | mhall | why limit oneself to any particular place |
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| 05:54.53 | streuner | make some experience and you'll see some places aren't that bad :-) |
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| 05:55.51 | streuner | heaven is somewhere else... |
| 05:55.52 | liable | mhall: indeed, but its a shame.. indeed #debian is a lot more sorta friendly/tolerent, but the people that have left because of currnt policy, were some of the more knowledgable ones |
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| 05:56.27 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 05:56.30 | jes-o-mat | what's that for a mail send out via devel-announce this night (subject: debian-devel-announce). From the mail headers it was send from an local useraccount. Had "we" been compromised again? |
| 05:57.05 | liable | jes-o-mat: can you word that again? didnt make much sense to me. |
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| 06:02.09 | mhall | liable: then maybe they'll figure out they fucked up and fuck over the fuckup so it quits fucking up |
| 06:02.17 | mhall | liable: if not, then, well, that's just fucked up |
| 06:02.49 | mhall | liable: meanwhile i don't figure it's my place to tell this community how to run its channel |
| 06:02.55 | liable | Guerin: piccies? |
| 06:02.57 | mhall | since they clearly don't see me as a member |
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| 06:03.28 | liable | mhall: meh, we are all slaves to the channel masters :P |
| 06:03.52 | streuner | mhall: who told you? :-) |
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| 06:06.31 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:06.31 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:08.33 | jes-o-mat | liable: I mean this mail: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00017.html |
| 06:08.43 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | both Adeodato Simo and Debian are fine - nothing to see on debian-devel-announce |
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| 06:09.05 | mhall | liable: not me |
| 06:09.10 | liable | Guerin: piccies? |
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| 06:10.22 | mhall | azeem: that post does not make sense |
| 06:10.22 | liable | mhall: good for you. I have nothing better to do a lot of the time. :( |
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| 06:10.29 | Guerin | liable: haven't been arsed putting most up - deb has some on her site, link at the top |
| 06:10.47 | jes-o-mat | azeem: when Adeodato Simo, why is he sending such mails? |
| 06:10.51 | mhall | liable: well, i work for a living and have found what i feel are more productive uses for my spare time |
| 06:10.58 | mhall | jes-o-mat: 23:10 -!- azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has left #debian [] |
| 06:11.01 | jes-o-mat | s/Simo/Simo is fine/ |
| 06:11.31 | jes-o-mat | O_o |
| 06:11.36 | liable | mhall: i work too.. but I have no need to do after work work, so I annoy people in #debian :P |
| 06:12.34 | jes-o-mat | liable: you're definateliy some kind of helpful infobot - better then dpkg :) |
| 06:13.07 | Stevie-O | than |
| 06:13.08 | liable | jes-o-mat: um, is that sarcasm that I didnt get? |
| 06:13.28 | jes-o-mat | yes |
| 06:13.36 | liable | that was just weird, that whole /topic thing.. |
| 06:13.45 | liable | jes-o-mat: well, fuck you :P |
| 06:13.55 | jes-o-mat | (-: |
| 06:14.20 | Stevie-O | i feel the love in the room |
| 06:14.37 | jes-o-mat | no liable, yes is <reply> You're welcome ;) |
| 06:14.52 | liable | Guerin: whats so hard about copying to your /gallery dir? |
| 06:15.00 | liable | Stevie-O: heh :) |
| 06:15.55 | liable | jes-o-mat: are you in oftc as well or what? |
| 06:16.06 | jes-o-mat | yes |
| 06:16.39 | liable | jes-o-mat: did you just ask for the topic to be changed? |
| 06:16.45 | mhall | jes-o-mat: be careful typing yes to him, you might get #include <stdio.h>\nint main() { while(1) printf("y\n"); } |
| 06:17.01 | jes-o-mat | no |
| 06:17.39 | liable | jes-o-mat: thats weird email came from your box? |
| 06:17.41 | jes-o-mat | :p |
| 06:18.25 | jes-o-mat | liable: I just recieved that mail via d-d-a and wanted to know what's the point about that |
| 06:18.46 | liable | jes-o-mat: yeah, well, I had the same and relegated it to the bitbin |
| 06:18.49 | jes-o-mat | then azeem changed the topic and left the channel |
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| 06:19.00 | Stevie-O | bitbin? |
| 06:19.00 | liable | yes, that was weird |
| 06:19.04 | Stevie-O | is that like the bit bucket? |
| 06:19.35 | liable | Stevie-O: prolly, I make shit up depending on my mental state at the time |
| 06:19.45 | Stevie-O | the bit bucket is real! |
| 06:20.07 | Stevie-O | It's where the CPU dumps extra 1s and 0s removed from registers via shift operations |
| 06:20.33 | liable | ok |
| 06:20.37 | Stevie-O | ;) |
| 06:20.57 | jes-o-mat | offtopic: does a source package which I intend to package needs to provide an make install option? . o O (maybe this questions could also be ontopic) |
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| 06:21.41 | liable | jes-o-mat: that stuf is defined in rules file, ask in #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 06:22.09 | mhall | hmm, it's lilo... sort of |
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| 06:23.48 | liable | Guerin: temp.lates? |
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| 06:28.35 | g333k | how can I erase the mbr from a live cd? |
| 06:29.28 | Agrajag- | get paperclip and scratch the first 32 bytes from the inside of the cd |
| 06:29.57 | g333k | what? |
| 06:30.12 | [TACO] | why would you want to? |
| 06:30.36 | liable | Guerin: you dont remove it, you overwrite it with the mbr you want... |
| 06:30.37 | Hoxzer | Why would you wan't to abuse that girl next to you in the class |
| 06:30.38 | g333k | I want to erase grub from mbr... I mean left the mbr clean |
| 06:30.42 | liable | err |
| 06:30.46 | liable | g333k: ^^ |
| 06:30.53 | Hoxzer | For some reason I always wanna tap girls asses if they are near to me |
| 06:31.04 | [TACO] | why would you want that done to a live CD? |
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| 06:31.58 | g333k | [TACO], read well.. I meant erase the mbr of my hdd from a live cd... (using a live cd).... not erasing the cd's mbr |
| 06:32.17 | Hoxzer | Lol, I thought you wanted to remove from CD it |
| 06:32.23 | Agrajag- | ahah so did i |
| 06:32.29 | [TACO] | I think we all did |
| 06:32.36 | [TACO] | so don't tell us to read well, try write well |
| 06:33.29 | g333k | ok ok |
| 06:33.32 | g333k | How can I do that? |
| 06:33.53 | mhall | [TACO]: chicken beef pork shrimp or fish? |
| 06:34.21 | [TACO] | shrimp on the bbq |
| 06:34.46 | Guerin | liable: are you off the meds again? |
| 06:35.55 | liable | Guerin: no, i have a beer in hand! :) |
| 06:36.13 | g333k | Is it possible to write the hard disk mbr from a live cd? |
| 06:36.25 | liable | Guerin: why do you ask? |
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| 06:40.25 | cableroy | hi, i'm running fresh install with debian, i've installed apache2, but i want mysql and php also. But when i try to install it, it will also install apache-common that is apache 1, how to avoid it? |
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| 06:51.42 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:51.43 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
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| 06:51.55 | DrAk0 | which program I can use for webconferences like amsn? |
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| 06:52.54 | liable | ElectricElf: can you shed any light on /topic? |
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| 06:54.17 | liable | DrAk0: iirc gaim does video? |
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| 06:54.55 | cableroy | anyone got suggestion how to install mysql,php with apache2 not installing apache1? |
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| 06:55.03 | DrAk0 | liable, gaim is what i use and i dont see that options in anywhere |
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| 06:55.19 | DrAk0 | gaim 2.0.0beta3 |
| 06:55.42 | liable | DrAk0: ok, i thought the new one did it.. (dont use it myself) |
| 06:56.44 | g333k | DrAk0, gnomeMeeting? |
| 06:59.04 | DrAk0 | g333k, and on the windows side? |
| 06:59.18 | beardy | Akamurdera: Why? |
| 06:59.23 | xNinja | hello |
| 06:59.29 | g333k | DrAk0, from windows to linux? |
| 06:59.39 | xNinja | i have scsi drives with raid0 or raid-5 debian detecting that by default ? |
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| 06:59.51 | DrAk0 | g333k, yes |
| 07:00.04 | g333k | DrAk0, netmeeting to gnomeMeeting |
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| 07:00.21 | DrAk0 | g333k, ok let me try :) |
| 07:00.54 | ftp3 | I manually removed the files for courier-imap-ssl because apt-get remove did not erase the files.. now when I try and apt-get install it, it says it is "upgrading" but installs no files.. how do I force it to actaully install what I tell it to? |
| 07:01.24 | cydork | ftp3: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 07:01.27 | sep | cableroy, you make no sense. why dont you just install that ? |
| 07:02.01 | beardy | !ops Akamurdera asdfas@203.91.136.26 , onjoin random(?) invite |
| 07:02.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: beardy complains about: Akamurdera asdfas@203.91.136.26 , onjoin random(?) invite |
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| 07:02.27 | keram | how do you turn a rpm into a deb? |
| 07:02.28 | Akamurdera | Maulkin whttt???? |
| 07:02.45 | ftp3 | so, the line is: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install courier-imap-ssl |
| 07:02.46 | ftp3 | ? |
| 07:02.49 | beardy | keram: Preferebly you don't. If you insist, 'man alien'. |
| 07:02.57 | keram | k thx |
| 07:03.02 | sep | keram, you can try with alien, but it's usualy better 1: get a real .deb, 2 : compile from sources, 3: do without |
| 07:03.04 | cydork | ftp3: yep |
| 07:03.29 | ftp3 | thanks |
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| 07:04.17 | cableroy | sep: well, i don't want apache1 installed :) |
| 07:04.30 | sep | ftp3, and dont remove files at random, that will surely break sooner or later |
| 07:04.49 | sep | cableroy, so dont install it. install apache2 instead |
| 07:05.25 | cableroy | sep: well thats the problem. i installed apache2, then i wanted php4-mysql but that one wanted apache-common |
| 07:05.29 | g333k | I think my vi is a little bit crazy,,,, I doesnt tells me in what mode I am insert/replace and when I try to delete it does another thing |
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| 07:06.01 | ftp3 | cydork, here is what it says "http://pastebin.ca/157036" but there are no imapd files |
| 07:06.40 | keram | how do u remove a package? |
| 07:06.44 | keram | dpkg -e package? |
| 07:06.53 | beardy | !tell keram about grounding |
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| 07:07.26 | beardy | keram: 'man apt-get' and 'man aptitude' |
| 07:07.44 | beardy | keram: Hint: search for remove |
| 07:08.05 | beardy | keram: also search for purge |
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| 07:08.11 | sep | cableroy, not on my system it does, i just install apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql |
| 07:08.36 | cydork | ftp3: it says it created them, so what is the problem now? |
| 07:09.32 | ftp3 | cydork.. created what though? there are files missing.. such as imapd |
| 07:11.15 | keram | okay i got it |
| 07:11.21 | keram | how do i unzip .tar.bz2? |
| 07:11.30 | cydork | ftp3: then that file is not in that package. do a apt-file search imapd |
| 07:11.36 | streuner | !tell keram about tar |
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| 07:14.06 | ftp3 | thank you |
| 07:17.45 | cableroy | sep: well, i figured it out, but i need mod_perl, but i only find for apache1? |
| 07:18.13 | cableroy | mods-avail has no perl |
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| 07:18.49 | unix_infidel | hey guys, i'm trying to create a md5sum hash of a string and then REHASH the string output of the FIRST hash 9 subsequent times. I'm thinking maybe a for loop? |
| 07:18.58 | unix_infidel | any ideas? |
| 07:18.59 | sep | cableroy, so you can't use the libapache2-mod-perl2 ? |
| 07:19.18 | Guerin | unix_infidel: while and an incrementor |
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| 07:22.34 | keram | is glame, toolame, or twolame the same as regular lame? |
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| 07:23.25 | Guerin | keram: apt-cache show {lame,toolame,twolame,glame} |
| 07:23.38 | LinuxNIT-II | what happened to tkinter support in etch for python? the changed the way its set up and now my program dosent work. |
| 07:24.02 | Guerin | LinuxNIT-II: scripting languages change. Deal. |
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| 07:26.42 | LinuxNIT-II | thats kinda gay to go and change the names of modules and their attributes |
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| 07:29.41 | keram | how come lame doesnt show in my repositories? |
| 07:29.48 | keram | aptitude search lame doesnt return 'lame' |
| 07:29.55 | keram | it only has glame, tolame, and twolame |
| 07:30.00 | liable | keram: its not in debian, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 07:30.02 | peterS | keram: because lame infringes on some patents and Debian cannot afford to buy patent licenses |
| 07:30.15 | keram | oh ic |
| 07:30.22 | liable | peterS: can you clarify or change the /topic please? |
| 07:30.36 | peterS | liable: what needs to be clarified? |
| 07:30.52 | liable | peterS: the reference to dda email |
| 07:31.23 | peterS | liable: I assume azeem set that because people were asking |
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| 07:32.03 | peterS | I also don't have access to more information on that |
| 07:32.34 | DrAk0 | I know is kinda offtopic but is related with linux, is any nokia expert here, I want a nokia api that let me code a program to sync my contact on a linux program |
| 07:32.42 | liable | peterS: yeah, well how does that clarify in any sort of meaningfull way? if it was just a wacky email, why even bother, but adding that to /topic just makes people who have no idea wonder wtf its on about |
| 07:33.33 | liable | it makes me personally think he has either gone mad, or his box has been hacked.. |
| 07:33.46 | peterS | liable: it's like a lot of things in life, if you don't know what it's referring to, you can ignore it. saying dato and debian "are fine" should not be cause for concern |
| 07:35.00 | liable | peterS: i have seen the mail, most #debian people wouldnt, so why include it? seeing it in /topic makes me thinks its more than meets the eye. I deleted the mail thinking nothing of it, but know i wonder.. |
| 07:35.12 | peterS | liable: the 'wacky email' alarmed a great number of people, if you speak spanish you'll see why. |
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| 07:35.27 | cableroy | sep: i can't find it? |
| 07:35.40 | liable | peterS: may i /msg? |
| 07:35.43 | peterS | ok |
| 07:35.59 | cableroy | ah there it is |
| 07:36.07 | cableroy | aptitude confuses me |
| 07:36.08 | cableroy | sorry |
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| 07:36.29 | cydork | DrAk0: did you try gnokii? |
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| 07:38.37 | DrAk0 | cydork, let me check |
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| 07:40.53 | cydork | hey just found out abs-guide is in non-free. vrms doesn't have any answers :) |
| 07:41.31 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 07:41.53 | Siddharta | since i've installed etch (instead of sid , i don't have sound anymore, here is my tests : http://paste.debian.net/12034 |
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| 07:43.15 | g333k | :( my laptop never came back from the suspend..... using the gnome manager :( |
| 07:43.40 | cydork | Siddharta: does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 07:44.24 | g333k | Do I need to install some special packages to get a good power management with my laptop? is a toshiba satellite |
| 07:44.57 | Siddharta | cydork: i don't get back the prompt |
| 07:46.01 | Siddharta | cydork: do you think i have to chmod /dev/dsp ? |
| 07:46.33 | cydork | Siddharta: press ctrl+c. did you hear any weird sounds? |
| 07:46.56 | Siddharta | no |
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| 07:55.38 | g333k | what's the best pkg to intels cpu scaling? (p4 3Ghz toshiba) |
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| 07:58.37 | g333k | what's the pkg to get the best scaling manage of intels cpu? (I have a laptop Toshiba p4 3Ghz ) |
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| 08:00.06 | epsilon | P4 3GHz in laptop? How long does the battery hold, 10sec? |
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| 08:00.50 | cydork | g333k: cpudyn, powernowd |
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| 08:03.49 | wizzomafizzo | does debian testing have the nvidia drivers again yet? so i can install them with m-a? |
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| 08:05.16 | Siddharta | since i've installed etch (instead of sid , i don't have sound anymore, here is my tests : http://paste.debian.net/12034 |
| 08:05.30 | Siddharta | it seems to come from alsamixer |
| 08:05.47 | Siddharta | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 08:13.18 | Siddharta | http://paste.debian.net/12035 <- what do you think about the result of ' cat /etc/modules.conf|grep snd' , isn't it too many modules loaded ??? |
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| 08:14.50 | g333k | The themes of gnome are the metacity themes? |
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| 08:17.20 | cydork | Siddharta: which version of alsa-base are you using? |
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| 08:18.35 | Siddharta | ii alsa-base 1.0.11-5 ALSA driver configuration files |
| 08:20.25 | DrAk0 | cydork, good thing, my model isnt supported by bluetooth .... |
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| 08:21.45 | cydork | DrAk0: oh ok.. |
| 08:22.15 | DrAk0 | cydork, you tried gnokii before? |
| 08:22.48 | liable | time to make pizza! |
| 08:23.23 | cydork | DrAk0: not recently. |
| 08:24.11 | Siddharta | cydork: do you think it's because i'm running kde ?? |
| 08:24.28 | hjubal | I've a problem with chroot.. it seems that it's not able to find user/group, but I've created passwd and group file in /chroot/etc/ |
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| 08:25.01 | cydork | Siddharta: no dont think so |
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| 08:40.38 | liable | !moo |
| 08:40.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 08:41.16 | peterS | Bob Metcalf, is that you? |
| 08:41.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:41.51 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:42.01 | tarzeau | peterS: i'm Bob Marley |
| 08:42.15 | Guerin | tarzeau: Irie, mon. |
| 08:42.27 | peterS | not you, I was asking opensores. Metcalf used to describe the free software movement using that term. |
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| 08:44.15 | opensores | No, peterS. |
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| 08:50.50 | NetNiet | Morning folks |
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| 08:56.28 | liable | damn, forgot the pinapple on the pizza :( |
| 08:56.34 | liable | NetNiet: hols |
| 08:57.53 | liable | heh, forgot an 'e' and misplased an 's' for a'a too.. on a roll.. |
| 08:58.58 | peterS | that's why you forgot the pineapple, it's because it wasn't spelt correctly |
| 08:59.30 | solars | hey, procmail logs sender, subject an folder by default, does anyone know how to log the recipient email too ? |
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| 09:01.46 | Guerin | you didn't forget, it's just the history of pizza bearing down upon you, telling you that pineapple on pizza is WRONG |
| 09:01.47 | liable | i need an irc secretary :) |
| 09:02.06 | liable | pizaa *needs* pinapple |
| 09:02.15 | liable | gah |
| 09:02.17 | Guerin | solars: since procmail is 100% configurable, it's not exactly hard |
| 09:02.17 | liable | pizza |
| 09:02.38 | Xteven | hello world |
| 09:02.40 | Guerin | liable: there are many non-traditional things which have found a legitimate place on pizza, but pineapple is not one of them |
| 09:02.45 | Xteven | can I do apt pinning on source packages ? |
| 09:02.50 | solars | Guerin, yeah I think so ... but my question was not if its hard or not :) |
| 09:02.53 | Xteven | or maybe apt-get -t unstable source ... ? |
| 09:03.04 | Guerin | solars: the manpage knows |
| 09:03.14 | Guerin | Xteven: don't see why not. |
| 09:03.17 | liable | yes, and if we all thought like you mob, then we would still be using chipped stones for knifes! :P |
| 09:03.22 | solars | Guerin, unfortunately not |
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| 09:04.14 | liable | knives too! |
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| 09:04.24 | liable | i fucking give in |
| 09:04.56 | liable | :) |
| 09:05.02 | Guerin | liable: aw, foark off mayte |
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| 09:06.07 | liable | i shouldnt laugh, i made spelling and addition mistakes on a recent resume :( prolly cost me a job :( |
| 09:06.43 | Guerin | well ... i once applied for a job and sent a very snazzy cover email ... and forgot to attach the pdf. |
| 09:06.56 | spliffy | hi. is there a way to find packages which are not needed by other installed packages on debian? on freebsd i'm used to have pkg_cutleaves to find them. |
| 09:06.58 | Guerin | Organisational skills [x] |
| 09:07.53 | Guerin | solars: deborphan or debfoster, but even aptitude can do this now. |
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| 09:08.02 | cydork | spliffy: man deborphan |
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| 09:09.23 | spliffy | thanks cydork |
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| 09:10.24 | cydork | spliffy: actully Guerin said it first, but he proved he cant type right :) |
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| 09:11.33 | spliffy | oh yes, thank you both , i ignored it completely :) |
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| 09:12.48 | spliffy | nice, if aptitude can do it i don't need another tool |
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| 09:14.32 | navaladi | hi all,sound recording not working in debian..now i have headphone with microphone to record.i m unable to record my voice. |
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| 09:15.09 | navaladi | i m using arecord filename..it recorded my voice..when i play nothing has come out. |
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| 09:17.23 | berndX | hi, i have 2 debian boxes and one are full of updates the other not. i think i update it most syncron. can somebody say me if "locales", "login" and "passwd" packages have new packages? |
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| 09:18.04 | timthelion | I have a very odd keymapping that can only be accomplished with xmodmap. is there a way that I can startx before I have to log in |
| 09:18.52 | Guerin | timthelion: no, you can't start x before you log in. That's sort of like asking if you can eat the chocolate bar before you open the packet |
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| 09:19.09 | navaladi | can somebody guide me to set it up. |
| 09:19.51 | timthelion | guerin is there no way to make a fake user without a password that is only used to run the startx command |
| 09:19.52 | cydork | navaladi: checked your volume levels?? |
| 09:20.00 | Guerin | navaladi: alsamixer - make sure your record levels are up |
| 09:20.14 | Guerin | timthelion: wtf would be the point of that? |
| 09:20.37 | timthelion | so that I would not have to type my password with querty |
| 09:20.37 | Guerin | timthelion: if it doesn't take effect unless X is working, you can put it in your xsession |
| 09:20.45 | Guerin | timthelion: that's stupid |
| 09:20.51 | navaladi | cydork:volume level are at high. |
| 09:21.04 | navaladi | Guerin:yes they r up. |
| 09:21.12 | timthelion | what is stupid? |
| 09:21.30 | navaladi | when i save the file & play it in mplayer ...i got some zzzzzzzz sound |
| 09:22.02 | Guerin | timthelion: use qwerty for your password. It's the only way to stay sane. |
| 09:22.11 | timthelion | why |
| 09:22.16 | timthelion | I don't want to |
| 09:22.16 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:22.35 | timthelion | can I have it at leaste remap to dvorak |
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| 09:22.49 | Guerin | timthelion: i'm sure it's possible. |
| 09:22.51 | timthelion | before I have to type in my password |
| 09:23.14 | Guerin | timthelion: if you boot to something like gdm, i bet it can use your gnome settings |
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| 09:23.21 | Guerin | or whatever you choose |
| 09:23.37 | Guerin | actually, since it's gnome, it won't be whatever you choose |
| 09:23.39 | timthelion | but I don't use gron |
| 09:24.03 | timthelion | I use ratpoison |
| 09:24.29 | navaladi | cydork:what do u thk..i m getting something like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sound ...when i play a recored file. |
| 09:24.48 | navaladi | cydork:at very very minimal voice.. |
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| 09:24.51 | Guerin | timthelion: so use xdm instead |
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| 09:27.54 | Siddharta | cydork: i have sound now |
| 09:28.28 | Siddharta | i had to reboot after installing udev/purging hotplug |
| 09:28.53 | sanmarcos | GO GREECEE!! |
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| 09:29.47 | berndX | why i get here: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib packages and on other sources not? (i mean apt-get update/upgrade) |
| 09:29.52 | liable | sanmarcos: in what? |
| 09:30.35 | sanmarcos | basketball |
| 09:30.49 | sanmarcos | 101-95, down usa. It seems you americans cant win anything in basketball in the recent years |
| 09:30.51 | epsilon | hellinika against who? |
| 09:31.06 | sanmarcos | fiba, world basketball championship in japan |
| 09:31.10 | sanmarcos | ESPN2 is showing it |
| 09:31.23 | cydork | Siddharta: great . |
| 09:32.05 | sanmarcos | I feel bad, I like the US |
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| 09:35.13 | NetNiet | i' about to install debian on a IBM dualcore blade server ... any tips for me ? |
| 09:35.50 | js_ | follow the installation steps |
| 09:35.53 | sanmarcos | drink some blood |
| 09:36.51 | sep | NetNiet, read the install manual |
| 09:37.21 | tengulre11 | NetNiet, you need compile the kernel I think! |
| 09:38.03 | NetNiet | tengulre11: after install for better performance ? |
| 09:39.13 | tengulre11 | NetNiet,yes, I think! |
| 09:41.40 | js_ | uh |
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| 09:42.13 | js_ | NetNiet: i dont think you need to waste time on that, unless there is some special case i dont know about |
| 09:42.25 | js_ | NetNiet: although you need to install an -smp kernel |
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| 09:47.42 | NetNiet | js_: I'm using the net-install 31r2 i hope smp is in it! |
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| 09:52.12 | Werdna | zomg |
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| 09:56.14 | bwlang | how can i tell what's using my sound device... It's not working and I want to reload the modules. lsof | grep /dev/dsp shows nothing |
| 09:56.44 | Bushmills | bwlang: try lsof | egrep "dsp|audio" |
| 09:56.50 | Bushmills | oh |
| 09:56.58 | Bushmills | maybe fuser /dev/dsp |
| 09:57.02 | infernixx | I'm getting "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libncurses5" while trying to apt-get --reinstall install a whole bunch of packages. What's the nature of this error? |
| 09:57.02 | Bushmills | or fuser /dev/audio |
| 09:57.41 | bwlang | Bushmills: fuser - much better than lsof | grep - thanks... |
| 09:58.38 | bwlang | infernixx: sounds to me like some kind of dpkg error... I would try to do a dpkg -i pkgpath |
| 09:59.04 | infernixx | bwlang: i am well aware it's a dpkg error. I just need to know what is going wrong for dpkg. |
| 09:59.27 | infernixx | specifically why it could not perform immediate config. |
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| 10:00.00 | bwlang | infernixx: sorry - i've never seen that one before... could it be a corrupt status file? |
| 10:00.25 | infernixx | bwlang: it works fine with individual packages that i --reinstall. so I dont think so. |
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| 10:02.54 | bwlang | infernixx: i'd still try to run dpkg by itself - maybe apt is masking some error - or you could try a dpkg -D |
| 10:03.15 | liable | i'm so raonry, so roanry. |
| 10:03.31 | liable | haha, team america! |
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| 10:04.44 | bwlang | fuser /dev/audio and fuser /dev/dsp show no users - but i still can't do a modprobe -r snd - anybody know why? |
| 10:05.49 | liable | bwlang: what desktop? |
| 10:05.52 | infernixx | bwlang: how would I debug dpkg while using apt? do you know of a shell variable or a setting file? |
| 10:06.18 | bwlang | liable: gnome ... esd is not running |
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| 10:06.27 | bwlang | infernixx: sorry - i don't know |
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| 10:07.33 | liable | bwlang: and you get device in busy when modprobe -r? |
| 10:07.33 | liable | s/in// |
| 10:07.56 | bwlang | FATAL: Module snd is in use. |
| 10:08.18 | liable | snd? snd(what) |
| 10:08.50 | bwlang | liable: i just tried snd... but same for snd_intel8x0...FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use |
| 10:09.37 | liable | bwlang: ok, try removing each module snd-intel8x0 is using |
| 10:09.57 | bwlang | liable: ugh - isn't that what modprobe -r is supposed to do? |
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| 10:10.03 | roger21 | hi |
| 10:10.18 | liable | bwlang: yeah |
| 10:10.51 | liable | bwlang: so you give in when your first command thats *supposed* to work fails?? |
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| 10:11.47 | bwlang | liable: well - i've already started knocking them off one by one... wasn't it larry wall who said the laziness is a virtue? |
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| 10:12.00 | liable | bwlang: no idea |
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| 10:13.39 | bwlang | liable: well ... i'm stuck now.... lsmod |grep snd show a bunch of modules that all have at least 1 dependent modules ... seems like an invalid state to me... |
| 10:14.37 | liable | bwlang: and ps shows no sound apps at all? |
| 10:15.02 | bwlang | liable: nothing i recognize and fuser /dev/dsp or fuser /dev/audio shows no output |
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| 10:15.11 | infernixx | try in init 1 if you can |
| 10:15.30 | bwlang | liable: hmm actually now /dev/dsp and /dev/audio don't exist anymore |
| 10:15.34 | liable | bwlang: alsa devs are /dev/snd/pcm (or similar) |
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| 10:15.50 | liable | bwlang: poke around in that dir |
| 10:15.54 | bwlang | liable: well - that's a helpful tidbit -thanks! |
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| 10:17.36 | kintaro0e | hi guys..is it ok to cron my #apt-get update ? |
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| 10:18.46 | liable | kintaro0e: just update is ok, doing an upgrade with cron is not so smart |
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| 10:19.01 | roger21 | i'm looking for a guide to install and configure bootsplash |
| 10:19.10 | liable | !spalshy |
| 10:19.10 | kintaro0e | liable: ah i see |
| 10:19.16 | liable | !splashy |
| 10:19.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 10:19.20 | bwlang | liable: that did it. I forgot about the volume control applet ... once i removed that the use count dropped to 0 on snd_intel8x0 and i could reload it. |
| 10:19.31 | liable | bwlang: cool |
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| 10:22.25 | spliffy | mmh im running debian sid now and i suspect the perl version to cause errors, can't i downgrade the installed perl, perl-base packages with apt-get without reinstalling all perl programs? this is what apt-get wants to do and i didn't find a switch in the manpage. |
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| 10:23.09 | liable | spliffy: pray to $deity if you want to fuck with perl, the packaging system uses it. |
| 10:23.23 | spliffy | mmh okay, not good |
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| 10:27.02 | oiaohm | Having a strange one with a DVR-111D disk burns but still reads blank. I am using a sarge missing the last set of updates. Might be problem. |
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| 10:28.04 | mut | there a reason 1gb of ram is detected as 884mb? |
| 10:28.20 | spliffy | well, if you can't downgrad perl without trouble with the packaging system... how do you UPgrade it normally? |
| 10:28.27 | spliffy | strange |
| 10:28.58 | Bushmills | mut, compiled kernel yourself? |
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| 10:29.27 | oiaohm | Yes mut check motherboard book. |
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| 10:29.30 | mut | um i think i'm booted into a deb kernel |
| 10:29.31 | mut | sec |
| 10:29.42 | mut | bios detects it as 1gb oiaohm |
| 10:29.44 | Bushmills | mut, check for CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 10:29.56 | mut | you need himem for 1gig? |
| 10:30.07 | mut | i though it was > 1gig |
| 10:30.08 | Bushmills | mit, make sur eyou don't have CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM |
| 10:30.31 | mut | i'm running a premade debian kernel |
| 10:30.38 | mut | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:30.41 | liable | spliffy: what is the actual problem? |
| 10:30.53 | Bushmills | mut, you'll lose a bit of mem if you have 1G, but don't set HIGHMEM4G |
| 10:31.11 | NetNiet | Hi, still installing on a INTEL blade SBXD62 but it does not reconice the SAS drive's ... any tips ? |
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| 10:31.33 | mut | be fine with 2g |
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| 10:32.06 | Trewas | mut: -686 and -k7 kernels have highmem enabled (well, at least in testing/unstable, dunno about sarge), so if you install the correct one you should get all the memory |
| 10:32.37 | mut | thats what i thought |
| 10:32.42 | NetNiet | installing 31.r2 netinstall boot:linux26 vga=771 |
| 10:33.00 | yage | I need to create a "fallback" gateway, i mean, i need, on my router, to detect if its gateway is dead, and, in this case change it or pon the backup line, is there any howto on this? Do i need to ping the gateway to detect if it is down or not or there is some automatic mecanism? |
| 10:33.12 | oiaohm | Same in sarge Trewas I forgot about that difference. |
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| 10:33.29 | liable | NetNiet: you need to find out what kernel supports the chipset for your drives |
| 10:33.47 | oiaohm | I knew about difference just sliped my mind. |
| 10:34.22 | spliffy | i need to use munin, a perl program but it spits out errors i don't have on sarge with the stable perl version. maybe the newer version is just more strict, i don't know. i don't remeber the exact error now @liable |
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| 10:36.19 | tombo | Where does the caching only bind deposit its dynamic entries? |
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| 10:37.10 | liable | spliffy: ok, try downgrading with aptitude, but be carefull. i thought dpkg used perl, but i just checked, and seems i am mistaken.. but try and remove perl (or break it) and see what happens :) |
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| 10:38.11 | Alexismoy | Hi |
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| 10:38.25 | spliffy | the error was something like that: Unquoted string "regs" may clash with future reserved word at (eval 320) line 1, .... the script first seemed to work properly but then showed weird behaviour @liable |
| 10:38.41 | Alexismoy | I would like to know if there is a list of laptop that support debian? |
| 10:39.31 | spliffy | ok, i'll try. i saw it's only apt-file that depends on perl fortunately :) |
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| 10:40.02 | liable | !laptop |
| 10:40.02 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 10:40.05 | liable | Alexismoy: ^^^ |
| 10:40.14 | liable | Alexismoy: check those sites |
| 10:40.30 | liable | the first two |
| 10:40.56 | Alexismoy | thx |
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| 10:49.24 | wathek | hello all |
| 10:50.07 | liable | jesus christ, now i need flash9 already to see some shit on web pages... |
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| 10:53.12 | liable | great, any flash seems to crash firefox too.. |
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| 10:53.58 | Xteven | what flash-website is good enough that you would want to look at it ? |
| 10:54.34 | blaamann | liable: Tried running Firefox and Flash 9 using wine ? |
| 10:54.57 | liable | not many, but you-tube videos, and a new free content site my isp just emailed me about |
| 10:55.08 | liable | blaamann: no |
| 10:55.50 | liable | blaamann: i am not that desperate for flash :) |
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| 10:56.24 | berkes | g'day. |
| 10:56.43 | liable | mate! |
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| 10:57.08 | liable | chuck another shrimp on the barbie! |
| 10:57.20 | berkes | does this channel get a lot of astray ubuntu folks? |
| 10:57.55 | liable | not a *lot* but yes |
| 10:57.59 | Danamania | sometimes. |
| 10:58.12 | liable | we used to get a lot, but i think the message finally got through |
| 10:58.42 | Coke | Is there any way I can figure out why the keyboard interactive authentication fails for SSH when I try to login to berlios' developer shell? -v just basically tells me it fails. |
| 10:58.51 | berkes | well, i have a debian question :) I am about to build two new (web)servers, but am not really clear about how to partition my disks. |
| 10:59.10 | berkes | does anyone here know a nice doc that explains some rules of thumbs? |
| 10:59.53 | Alexismoy | Is automatically supported wireless cards (and integrated for laptops) in the kernels linux-image of apt-get ? |
| 11:00.53 | liable | Alexismoy: depends entirely on the cards chipset, not many are supported at all in standard debian kernels |
| 11:01.14 | Alexismoy | AiForce One 54g |
| 11:01.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:01.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:01.43 | liable | Alexismoy: never heard of it |
| 11:01.53 | Xteven | berkes : try http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Installation-HOWTO.html#AEN365 |
| 11:02.05 | liable | Alexismoy: isnt that the presidents airplane? |
| 11:02.23 | berkes | Alexismoy: have you found what chipset there is? |
| 11:02.24 | Alexismoy | no :) This is my integrated wireless in my HP laptop :/ |
| 11:02.37 | Alexismoy | Broadcom |
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| 11:02.52 | berkes | there are (afaikr9) three well known projects with drivers/kernelmodules for wireless chipsets |
| 11:02.59 | liable | Alexismoy: did you visit those sites from before? |
| 11:03.14 | liable | Alexismoy: you should have gotten a few pointers from them.. |
| 11:03.22 | Alexismoy | ok, thx |
| 11:05.13 | tralala | how do I tell what is accessing the harddisk? It keeps doing something although the system is used only for routing. |
| 11:05.17 | liable | Alexismoy: search for your laptop model on those sites, and see what people say about the wireless |
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| 11:05.29 | Alexismoy | I hope I don't have to emulate windows drivers for this kind of chipset:/ |
| 11:06.07 | liable | Alexismoy: its possible you might, but ndiswrapper is supposedly quite good |
| 11:07.36 | wathek | any one can help me to be able to access to the cups config web interface from an other PC in the networkd ? |
| 11:07.37 | liable | tralala: try mounting with noatime, there was a little c program that you could compile that would give you output, but i forget where i saw it :/ |
| 11:07.40 | berkes | Xtthanks, it gave me some leads to other docs that are interestting. Thanks. |
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| 11:14.04 | NetNiet | re: SAS drives, i think i have to add sg,mptsas,scsi_transport_sas,mptscsih,sd_mod .. do have todo this on install/boot or can I do this in the 2th console now |
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| 11:17.01 | liable | NetNiet: if the installer doesnt find it, its unlikley manuallt modprobing tos emodules will work |
| 11:17.08 | tralala | liable: okay, let me try this. Thanks. |
| 11:17.46 | liable | tralala: theres also a syslog flag that may help |
| 11:17.54 | liable | -c 2 iirc |
| 11:18.09 | NetNiet | is see (read) it looks like sarge does not support mpt..... |
| 11:18.27 | Alexismoy | what is the command to manage modules on a "graphic" screen? |
| 11:19.25 | abrotman | modconf |
| 11:19.31 | Alexismoy | modconf :/ |
| 11:20.07 | liable | modconf :( |
| 11:20.13 | liable | modconf :) |
| 11:20.37 | cafuego | No, I didn't. |
| 11:20.38 | liable | modconf? |
| 11:21.22 | cafuego | Alexismoy: With 2.6.16 and newer kernels you cna use a native driver (which will still need binary firmware). |
| 11:21.44 | Alexismoy | hmm |
| 11:21.55 | liable | innnit .17 for bcm? |
| 11:22.04 | Alexismoy | I'v got a 2.6.16-2, but how to do? |
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| 11:23.07 | Jemt | Greetz. I have installed gcc-4.0 - but when I try to compile Bluefish, it says gcc is not installed. Can this be fixed by creating a symbolic link? And how do I do that ? |
| 11:23.37 | Jemt | Oh should I add it to $PATH ? |
| 11:23.44 | Jemt | configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 11:24.09 | js_ | add it to your path |
| 11:24.18 | Jemt | How do I do that ? |
| 11:24.28 | Alexismoy | there is not a command to add modules simply on a kernel? |
| 11:24.39 | liable | !b-e Jemt |
| 11:24.39 | dpkg | Jemt: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 11:24.42 | Jemt | !modprobe |
| 11:24.42 | dpkg | it has been said that modprobe is something you use to install modules with it |
| 11:24.47 | js_ | Jemt: export PATH=/where/gcc-4.0/is/bin:$PATH |
| 11:24.48 | liable | Jemt: ^^ try that first |
| 11:24.57 | NetNiet | is there a netinstall for etch ? |
| 11:24.59 | Jemt | liable: That package is broke |
| 11:25.10 | Jemt | liable: At least on Testing Repositories |
| 11:25.18 | Jemt | liable: And besides, that is not what I want :) |
| 11:25.24 | Jemt | Thanks though |
| 11:25.30 | Jemt | js_: Thanks :) |
| 11:25.42 | Jemt | js_: How can I make it permanent ? |
| 11:26.03 | js_ | Jemt: put it in /etc/environment or so |
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| 11:26.13 | liable | NetNiet: yes |
| 11:26.14 | Jemt | js_: Okay, thanks |
| 11:26.25 | js_ | Jemt: but without the "export" word. also ~/.bash_profile for user specific settings |
| 11:26.32 | Jemt | js_: This didn't work : export PATH=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0:$PATH |
| 11:26.43 | js_ | Jemt: /usr/bin/gcc-4.0/bin/ |
| 11:26.54 | js_ | Jemt: if /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 is a directory |
| 11:26.56 | Jemt | js_: But gcc-4.0 dosn't contain a bin folder |
| 11:26.57 | liable | Alexismoy: you can compile modules from source packages easily, yes |
| 11:27.05 | MindCr | NetNiet, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:27.06 | Jemt | It's not |
| 11:27.30 | js_ | Jemt: if it's a binary file, /usr/bin/ is already in your path, and you need to CC=gcc-4.0 ./configure, or craete a symbolic link like ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:27.37 | NetNiet | MindCr / liable thx |
| 11:27.38 | js_ | create* |
| 11:27.53 | Alexismoy | liable, I try but it can't find kernel build files |
| 11:27.53 | MindCr | ;) |
| 11:28.01 | Dewi | anyone know how I can write a file without a trailing newline in vim? |
| 11:28.08 | Jemt | js_: And a symbolic link is just like a shortcut, right ? |
| 11:28.13 | liable | Alexismoy: the package complains about missing build dir? |
| 11:28.14 | js_ | Jemt: yes |
| 11:28.18 | Jemt | Great, thanks :) |
| 11:28.31 | Alexismoy | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-k7/build; |
| 11:28.37 | ootput | Dewi: no, but aren't trailing newlines preferable? |
| 11:28.37 | Jemt | js_: Worked with a symLink :) |
| 11:28.48 | Dewi | ootput: normally yes |
| 11:28.58 | liable | Alexismoy: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 11:28.58 | Dewi | ootput: but I get things like spurious diffs |
| 11:29.06 | ootput | ah |
| 11:29.24 | Alexismoy | thx liable |
| 11:30.14 | liable | no wuckers |
| 11:31.21 | liable | grr, flash and firefox have no love |
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| 11:33.43 | Alexismoy | normally, after an installation of a module, I don't need to reboot? |
| 11:33.50 | bwlang | Alexismoy: no |
| 11:34.22 | liable | Alexismoy: just modprobe it |
| 11:34.38 | Alexismoy | modprobe ndiswrapper: ....... invalid argument |
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| 11:36.22 | wathek | I found it |
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| 11:37.19 | SpComb | I have [homes] in my samba config, but how the hell do I actually access my home dir from windows XP? |
| 11:37.47 | blondie | \\server\username |
| 11:37.49 | SpComb | I've tried \\zapotekII\homes\ and entered my password, but it just asks me for my password again |
| 11:38.14 | SpComb | hmm |
| 11:38.25 | blondie | SpComb: have you run "smbpasswd -a" to create your samba account? |
| 11:38.42 | SpComb | it's a unix account |
| 11:38.46 | liable | !be a samba barbie |
| 11:38.46 | dpkg | Aww, samba is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 11:39.01 | liable | it *is* hard! |
| 11:39.02 | blondie | SpComb: have you created a samba account though? |
| 11:39.07 | SpComb | no, do I have to? |
| 11:39.09 | SoloFlyer | anyone know why i get a page full of this when i start racoon? |
| 11:39.09 | SoloFlyer | Loading IPSEC/crypto modules... |
| 11:39.09 | SoloFlyer | FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.8_2_686_smp/kernel/net/ipv6/esp6.ko not found. |
| 11:39.11 | blondie | yes |
| 11:39.14 | SpComb | hmmk |
| 11:39.19 | blondie | as root, "smbpasswd -a username" |
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| 11:40.06 | SpComb | blondie: can't I just tell it to use /etc/passwd? |
| 11:40.30 | blondie | yes, but it's tricky |
| 11:40.37 | blondie | well, you have to configure it, can't remember how c.c |
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| 11:40.53 | SpComb | eh, now that I logged in as music-upload, how can I log out and log in as my own user? :/ |
| 11:41.01 | SpComb | I have read-only access to my dir |
| 11:41.24 | blondie | you have to disconnect the mapped drive |
| 11:41.39 | SpComb | hmm, I don't have it mapped... I'll try doing that |
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| 11:42.05 | blondie | you might need to open command prompt and type "net use" to see if theres a connection to the server |
| 11:42.17 | blondie | in which case, net use /del \\server\share |
| 11:43.35 | SpComb | hmm... still have ro access |
| 11:43.44 | Hakan | How can I convert an AVI file to a DVD ? Is WMA just for sound and no video ? thanks ! |
| 11:43.55 | blondie | SpComb: did you enter the other username and password? |
| 11:44.07 | SpComb | oh wait, that was in smb.conf |
| 11:44.14 | enveezee | Hakan: I dont know, and yes. |
| 11:44.24 | enveezee | Hakan: WMV is the video format |
| 11:44.52 | SoloFlyer | why cant i modprobe the full module path |
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| 11:45.02 | SpComb | hmm, it's not letting me in even if I type in my password |
| 11:45.06 | enveezee | I cant believe I left work without my paycheck |
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| 11:45.11 | SpComb | and the username is set to my username |
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| 11:45.25 | SoloFlyer | enveezee Yourkidding! |
| 11:45.32 | liable | enveezee: you still get paid by cheque? |
| 11:45.43 | SpComb | could it be using some different auth method or something? |
| 11:45.56 | enveezee | nope I was too busy thinking about this girl and forgot all about getting paid. |
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| 11:46.11 | enveezee | I must be in love and just dont know it yet |
| 11:46.12 | liable | s/paid/laid/ |
| 11:46.21 | berkes | heheh |
| 11:46.31 | Alexismoy | liable, with an other version of ndiswrapper it works |
| 11:46.47 | SoloFlyer | well its probally a very good thing that you dont yet associate girls and money... |
| 11:48.34 | liable | Alexismoy: as long as it works, thats good :) |
| 11:48.46 | Alexismoy | :] |
| 11:49.13 | enveezee | I try treat them both with respect and I never really associate them.. |
| 11:50.45 | enveezee | besides we work at the same place so she knows I dont have any money :P |
| 11:50.51 | SoloFlyer | lol |
| 11:50.54 | enveezee | heh |
| 11:51.00 | SoloFlyer | where u work? |
| 11:51.12 | enveezee | hell |
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| 11:51.28 | SoloFlyer | i hear its warm down there... |
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| 11:51.44 | cydork | enveezee: hey i live there :) |
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| 11:51.56 | enveezee | yeah... if it werent for that 5min of flirting a day I probably would have moved on by now |
| 11:51.59 | XJih78 | hi |
| 11:52.04 | XJih78 | i have a bit of a problem |
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| 11:52.15 | XJih78 | i installed debian with lvm |
| 11:52.22 | XJih78 | and in runtime i get: |
| 11:52.38 | XJih78 | ninit: no initrd file found |
| 11:52.39 | enveezee | let me guess and now you keep having to press enter instead of punctuating? |
| 11:52.48 | XJih78 | Enter runlevel: 1 |
| 11:53.04 | XJih78 | init: entering runlevel: 1 |
| 11:53.21 | XJih78 | init: no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 11:53.33 | abrotman | !prize enveezee |
| 11:53.49 | enveezee | a yogi pin :) ohboy |
| 11:53.59 | enveezee | eh boo boo |
| 11:54.01 | abrotman | better than a perogie ? |
| 11:54.11 | enveezee | theres a pick-a-nick basket |
| 11:56.07 | cydork | XJih78: your /boot is on lvm?? |
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| 11:56.19 | XJih78 | nope |
| 11:56.21 | XJih78 | i don't think so |
| 11:56.31 | abrotman | mmm flw |
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| 11:57.39 | XJih78 | i'll double check |
| 11:57.41 | dusty- | Hey guys whats the package called for openssl? |
| 11:58.36 | cydork | dusty-: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:58.54 | SoloFlyer | openssl - Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools |
| 11:59.12 | dusty- | cydork, apt-cache search openssl | more doesn't show me the openssl one |
| 11:59.15 | Xteven | this is interesting. when I use pinning and try to install slapd from unstable, apt removes my kernel |
| 11:59.16 | dusty- | just libs |
| 11:59.29 | dusty- | odd search didnt show openssl |
| 11:59.32 | dusty- | got it, thanks. |
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| 12:00.34 | enveezee | ugh I am tired as all hell and I got way too much to do.. I keep drifting off here |
| 12:00.52 | dusty- | Apparently you do not have both the openssl binary and openssl development libraries installed. |
| 12:00.59 | dusty- | thats after i install apt-get install openssl?? |
| 12:01.03 | dusty- | what other packages do i need? |
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| 12:01.07 | abrotman | dusty-: apt-cache search lib ssl |
| 12:01.27 | Xteven | how can I check which of these packages tries to remove my kernel ? |
| 12:01.53 | abrotman | paste it for us to look at :) |
| 12:02.07 | enveezee | not in here |
| 12:02.12 | stew | Xteven: you really shouldn't try to mix testing/unstable packages onto a stable install, instead use a backport, /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:02.22 | dusty- | ok |
| 12:02.32 | dusty- | abrotman, you want me to paste it? |
| 12:02.37 | abrotman | dusty-: not you |
| 12:02.45 | dusty- | oh |
| 12:02.46 | abrotman | dusty-: apt-cache search lib ssl .. you sohuld find what you're looking for |
| 12:02.56 | dusty- | i find libssl0.9.7 |
| 12:02.58 | dusty- | that what i need? |
| 12:03.03 | Xteven | stew : afaik, there is no backports for slapd |
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| 12:04.10 | SoloFlyer | yes thats what u need dusty |
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| 12:05.02 | enveezee | I need money so I guess I gotta go back and get myy check |
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| 12:06.19 | Xteven | stew : what other way can I use to get the "unstable" slapd into sarge ? |
| 12:06.45 | liable | Xteven: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:07.25 | Xteven | ok thx, I'll try |
| 12:07.54 | pigor | hello. i have a problem with my sata harddisk on ubuntu (freezes with constant delay, every few seconds or minutes). is it possible that debian does not have this problem with SATA? |
| 12:08.00 | SoloFlyer | id other people here try to modprobe a module using the full path does it work? |
| 12:08.20 | SoloFlyer | pigor yes it is possible |
| 12:08.32 | enveezee | pigor: anything is possible if you dont forget your towel |
| 12:08.44 | pigor | *g* |
| 12:08.55 | pigor | do you have experience with it? |
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| 12:09.06 | pigor | or did you hear about this? |
| 12:09.22 | enveezee | if I heard about it I would shut my ears |
| 12:09.35 | enveezee | I dont give two shits about anything ubuntu |
| 12:09.40 | SoloFlyer | i have never seen any debian box with sata doing anything like that |
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| 12:10.41 | liable | pigor: i would be surprised if its a kernel driver problem, unless ubuntu kernel has some beta driver for your sata drive |
| 12:11.12 | liable | prooly just all the shit ubuntu installs sucking up resources :P |
| 12:11.16 | pigor | liable: what kind of problem yould it be? |
| 12:11.31 | pigor | "could" |
| 12:11.38 | abrotman | dusty-: that's one of them |
| 12:12.00 | SoloFlyer | can someone try and modprobe a module using the full path and tell me if it works? |
| 12:12.14 | pigor | i am going to test debian. which version should i try - stable, testing or unstable? |
| 12:12.29 | abrotman | start with stable .. get used to working with debian |
| 12:12.35 | CAiRO | how do i get linux to cache program binaries in ram but no data files? |
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| 12:12.45 | liable | if sarge supports his sata drive |
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| 12:13.31 | BeBoo | Hmmm, i have an apache which didn't release the listen socket when i restarted it, so now i cannot start apache again - when i do a ps aux|grep httpd, no process is running - what can i do? |
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| 12:14.06 | cydork | SoloFlyer: read man modprobe :) |
| 12:14.23 | SlayerXP | I've debootstrapped an xen host's root file system, but when I start it, it hangs at "Starting periodic command scheduler: cron." and then gives the error "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes". what blindingly obvious thing have I missed? |
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| 12:14.51 | abrotman | SlayerXP: flash gordon is restarting init! |
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| 12:14.59 | abrotman | SlayerXP: google the error .. |
| 12:15.06 | liable | BeBoo: is there still a pid file in /var/run? |
| 12:15.28 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I have done so. nothing obvious comes back |
| 12:15.45 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=init+respawning+too+fast+debian&btnG=Google+Search |
| 12:16.29 | BeBoo | liable, no - it is closed, but somehow it's hanging on a CLOSE_WAIT socket |
| 12:16.34 | SoloFlyer | cydork: i cant find anything regards the problem whichi am having the man |
| 12:16.36 | BeBoo | netstat | grep 80 shows it |
| 12:16.47 | abrotman | fuser or lsof show anything on port 80 ? |
| 12:16.52 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 12:16.53 | liable | BeBoo: be patient |
| 12:17.02 | BeBoo | I cannot be, i need this server up now |
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| 12:17.25 | SlayerXP | abrotman: i'm missing /sbin/getty that'll do it. |
| 12:17.27 | abrotman | !piav |
| 12:17.27 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 12:17.31 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 12:17.59 | liable | no, stupid abrotman :) |
| 12:18.14 | BeBoo | abrotman, done that, it returns 3250. Guessing thats a pid for the process, but that process has nothing to do with any web |
| 12:18.19 | SlayerXP | oh no I'm not |
| 12:18.23 | abrotman | BeBoo: kill it |
| 12:18.29 | abrotman | BeBoo: well .. see what it is first :) |
| 12:19.03 | BeBoo | named :) dont think that runs on port 80 tbh :) |
| 12:19.14 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 80 .. that will show what's using port 80 |
| 12:19.17 | abrotman | try lsof too |
| 12:19.25 | BeBoo | Well it returns the pid of named |
| 12:19.31 | abrotman | restart named! |
| 12:19.40 | BeBoo | And i've just shutted that down, so it's not running and i still cannot start apache |
| 12:19.47 | BeBoo | no other thing listed |
| 12:19.56 | abrotman | is 3250 still being returned ? |
| 12:20.03 | liable | mmm, pork |
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| 12:20.06 | SoloFlyer | you might not be able to restart apache until the CLOSE_WAIT finished |
| 12:20.33 | BeBoo | abrotman, nope it doesn't show anything now - but still says port in use when trying to start apache |
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| 12:21.18 | Jemt | Greetz. I need a visual tool for modelling database schemes. Similar to DBDesigner, except it should work on Debian which DBDesigner does not |
| 12:21.26 | Jemt | Any suggestions ? |
| 12:21.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:21.27 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 12:21.56 | tarzeau | Jemt: hmm is that an os x app? |
| 12:22.06 | Jemt | 2 sek |
| 12:22.09 | wsjunior | could anybody help me to connect a bluetooth device on debian? |
| 12:22.25 | tarzeau | wsjunior: the linux bluetooth software sucks, compared to the freebsd one |
| 12:22.31 | tarzeau | wsjunior: a mobile phone? |
| 12:22.38 | liable | tarzeau: thats very helpfull.. |
| 12:22.39 | wsjunior | a headset tarzeau |
| 12:22.40 | tarzeau | wsjunior: and usb-bluetooth? usb sucks too btw |
| 12:22.45 | tarzeau | wsjunior: ouch! |
| 12:22.54 | tarzeau | wsjunior: you don't believe, you've working drivers for that, do you? |
| 12:23.08 | tarzeau | liable: well some facts are always good |
| 12:23.15 | wsjunior | tarzeau, dunno.. hcitool scan detects it |
| 12:23.17 | liable | tarzeau: alsa-bluetooth.. works for me |
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| 12:23.31 | tarzeau | wsjunior: yeah, but detecting it doesn't mean much at all... |
| 12:23.33 | wsjunior | tarzeau, but i dont know how to pass the PIN from command line |
| 12:23.38 | wsjunior | i need to pair it |
| 12:23.39 | abrotman | BeBoo: well .. you can wait .. or restart the server |
| 12:23.43 | nelf | I have a very strange problem with sending email... my colleague can send email using port 25 (he has a windows machine), but my debian machine will not send... we use the same adsl connection, there is no firewall here, and at home on my other adsl connection, I can send email fine... |
| 12:23.48 | wsjunior | liable, i already installed it |
| 12:23.49 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 12:23.49 | dpkg | from memory, bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 12:23.58 | tarzeau | nelf: 25 is only for receiving mails |
| 12:23.58 | wsjunior | liable, but the devices arent paired |
| 12:24.16 | tarzeau | nelf: what is your mailserver then? smtp one? domain name? |
| 12:24.23 | liable | wsjunior: yeah i remember, i cant help, as i said, that page i linked, worked for me |
| 12:24.40 | wsjunior | liable, that page doesnt tell me how to pair it.. |
| 12:24.47 | nelf | tarzeau: mango.psand.net (another debian box running exim4) |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | BeBoo: is it a remote server ? |
| 12:24.54 | Bry2k200 | !noscreensfound |
| 12:24.54 | dpkg | it has been said that noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 12:25.01 | wsjunior | liable, just teach how to configure alsa-bluetooth that i already have installed and running |
| 12:25.06 | tarzeau | nelf: but does it run popularity-contest ? |
| 12:25.15 | wsjunior | liable, the last thing to get it working is to pair it :/ |
| 12:25.16 | liable | wsjunior: did you read the readme or install file supplied in the source package? |
| 12:25.22 | tarzeau | nelf: what's your email address? |
| 12:25.33 | tarzeau | nelf: install ngrep, and run ngrep port 25.... |
| 12:25.35 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:25.36 | liable | wsjunior: i would help if i could remember :/ |
| 12:25.41 | tarzeau | nelf: also check /var/log/ for more help |
| 12:25.43 | wsjunior | liable, ya. it is installed and working. just need to pair |
| 12:25.49 | wsjunior | liable, ok thanks anyways |
| 12:26.05 | nelf | tarzeau: Never heard of popularity-contest, port 25 is for sending and receiving (ie smarthosts) SMTP email |
| 12:26.12 | abrocadabro | how can I run an entire X session such as windowmaker over ssh in another machine? |
| 12:26.13 | liable | wsjunior: gimme five, i'll see if my battery isnt flat and try and get mine working |
| 12:26.14 | wsjunior | tarzeau, could u help me to pair a device from command line? |
| 12:26.19 | tarzeau | nelf: true |
| 12:26.23 | nelf | tarzeau: if i telnet to port 25 on the mail server, it times out. |
| 12:26.25 | wsjunior | liable, thank u so much |
| 12:26.26 | tarzeau | wsjunior: marry two devices? |
| 12:26.29 | tarzeau | merry |
| 12:26.38 | wsjunior | tarzeau, something like that |
| 12:26.38 | tarzeau | wsjunior: i've only played that with teddy bears |
| 12:26.51 | nelf | tarzeau: I also have that server running on port 10001, and I also cannot telnet to that port (it times out) |
| 12:26.52 | tarzeau | nelf: works for me... |
| 12:26.53 | wsjunior | to pass the PIN code to access the device |
| 12:27.03 | tarzeau | nelf: then something is wrong.. multiple nics? |
| 12:27.42 | nelf | tarzeau: It's not the mail server thats the problem. I only have one route and network interface |
| 12:27.56 | nelf | If I go home to another adsl connection, it works fine. |
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| 12:28.05 | tarzeau | nelf: i don't know... |
| 12:28.10 | tarzeau | wsjunior: no idea really |
| 12:28.17 | tarzeau | wsjunior: do you have photos of youre device? |
| 12:28.22 | liable | hrm, if i can find the fucker to start with.. |
| 12:28.22 | abrotman | now that you've totally confused him |
| 12:28.29 | wsjunior | tarzeau, its a hs820 |
| 12:28.30 | abrocadabro | nelf: what was your problem? |
| 12:28.36 | tarzeau | wsjunior: no idea what hs820 is... |
| 12:28.39 | abrotman | !tell abrocadabro about sshx |
| 12:28.45 | wsjunior | tarzeau, reported to work on other distros |
| 12:28.47 | nelf | tarzeau: I cannot even ssh into the server from here... it lets me in, but fails on the port handoff... it's almost like the ISP is blocking higher ports, but only for the linux box |
| 12:28.52 | wsjunior | tarzeau, its a bluetooth headset |
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| 12:29.38 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 12:30.01 | abrocadabro | abortman: yeah that's for running individual x apps, I wanted to run an entire X session |
| 12:30.03 | ^rob^ | is there any method to install debian trough wireless connection? |
| 12:30.20 | abrotman | abrocadabro: so you want remote xdm ? |
| 12:30.21 | ^rob^ | I have a ralink cipset and use wpa/peap/mscheap2 |
| 12:30.25 | abrotman | ^rob^: if your wifi is supported |
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| 12:30.47 | nelf | abrocadabro: My ISP seems unwilling to let my port 25 traffic out, although my coleagues windows machine is able to send. |
| 12:30.52 | ^rob^ | abrotman: I can install wpa_supplicator and do the config - just need the kernel and gcc |
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| 12:31.10 | ^rob^ | wpa_supplicator with ralink patch |
| 12:31.14 | liable | wsjunior: battery is flat on the sucker, gimme half hour |
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| 12:31.23 | wsjunior | liable, surely |
| 12:31.43 | abrocadabro | abrotman: the problem is xen doesn't support my graphic card and I want to run windowmaker on a remote machine, how can I do that? |
| 12:31.59 | abrotman | ^rob^: no idea about wpa .. i don't use it |
| 12:32.07 | abrocadabro | abrotman: display windowmaker on a remote machine |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | remote X should do that |
| 12:32.35 | ^rob^ | I have - I am very experienced with it - I could help to make deb installer with vpa support - ;) |
| 12:32.37 | liable | gah, i cant even remeber how to turn my laptops bluetooth on :/ |
| 12:32.40 | abrotman | !remote x |
| 12:32.40 | dpkg | it has been said that remote x is on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 12:32.40 | ^rob^ | all I need is a kernel and gcc |
| 12:32.49 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 12:32.50 | dpkg | well, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 12:33.06 | ^rob^ | ok - ty |
| 12:33.18 | abrocadabro | abortman: I'll have a go at that |
| 12:33.40 | abrocadabro | nelf: why do you need outgoing traffic on port 25? do you want to send mail out? |
| 12:33.53 | nelf | Yep, thats exactly it, abrocadabro |
| 12:34.27 | nelf | I also have the mail server running on port 10001, and that won't work either |
| 12:34.30 | abrocadabro | nelf: normally ISP provide their own mail serve, called smarthost, you can configure your exim4 to use your ISP's mail server |
| 12:35.00 | Tallu | Hey umm. I'm going to install debian on my laptop and going to connect it with a cross over cable to another computer. How should I set the network up? Thus far I've only had dhcp deal with getting IPs etc |
| 12:35.07 | nelf | abrocadabro - they will not let me send email as anything other than the email the account is configured with. |
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| 12:35.58 | nelf | abrocadabro: I also cannot ssh anywhere - must be related... I successfully authenticate with the server, but then it just hangs (presumably unable to open higher ports). |
| 12:36.11 | nelf | abrocadabro: Which doesn't make much sense to me. |
| 12:36.46 | nelf | The reason I'm asking here in debian is because my colleagues computer is able to send email using the same server. |
| 12:36.47 | abrocadabro | nelf: you mean you got the prompt and it stales there? |
| 12:37.07 | nelf | abrocadabro: I get the welcome message, no actual prompt and it hangs there |
| 12:37.25 | ^rob^ | Tallu: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up; route add - net 192.168.0.1 eth0 |
| 12:37.48 | ^rob^ | your ip is 5 - second pc must have ip 1 |
| 12:37.56 | abrocadabro | nelf: you got the welcome message, that's after the authentication? |
| 12:38.21 | nelf | abrocadabro: Yep - it authenticates fine, and then hangs |
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| 12:38.44 | nelf | abrocadabro: I don't have this problem at home with the adsl connection. |
| 12:39.42 | abrocadabro | nelf: try ssh -xxx user@host to see some more details |
| 12:39.49 | abrocadabro | nelf: -vvv |
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| 12:40.26 | Bushmills | nelf, for non-permanent network config, set up ip address yourself, like this: ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.33 |
| 12:40.44 | pigor | i like the forum of ubuntu people. is there anything like this for debian people? |
| 12:41.01 | speeves | pigor: welcome :) |
| 12:41.08 | ^rob^ | pigor: you-re at it |
| 12:41.11 | nelf | abrocadabro: Last two lines of debug are: debug2: callback done, THEN channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 |
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| 12:41.32 | ^rob^ | is there any i686 optimized debian ? |
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| 12:41.48 | ^rob^ | not just the kernel - all packages - ?? |
| 12:41.54 | pigor | speeves, ^rob^: well, and is there a forum or a wiki, too? |
| 12:42.11 | speeves | ohhh |
| 12:42.15 | speeves | sorry :P |
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| 12:42.20 | Kernel_Core | hi all ... I have a Friend he installed the latest version of debian in French.... how do I change it to English ? |
| 12:42.37 | speeves | http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 12:42.43 | ^rob^ | pigor: man - I have no clue - all I had when I installed debian - was the localhost documentation - read it and got it working. |
| 12:42.52 | abrotman | Kernel_Core: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 12:43.00 | abrocadabro | nelf: I have heaps more info than you did, maybe you ssh client is corrputed, you can try to reinstall ssh package on your machine to see if that helps |
| 12:43.02 | speeves | there isn't really a forum i dont think |
| 12:43.32 | abrotman | !forums |
| 12:43.32 | dpkg | forums is, like, http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
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| 12:43.33 | speeves | pigor: but you can check out planet debian for up-to-date info on what is happening in the organiation |
| 12:43.42 | petemc | and lots of other, less intersting shite too |
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| 12:44.00 | speeves | thanks, dpkg! |
| 12:44.00 | abrotman | like clint! |
| 12:44.07 | speeves | i didn't know about them |
| 12:44.08 | nelf | abrocadabro: No, I just know that most of it is irrelevent - 'Authentication succeeded', the last debug1 message is 'Sending Environment'. This is definitely a network problem, not an ssh problem. |
| 12:44.18 | ^rob^ | umm... |
| 12:44.53 | Exclamation | Can someone please help me with this broadcom wireless stuff... |
| 12:45.01 | ^rob^ | if I do ralink support on debian install - who should I give the result - so all debian users to be able to install deb. on wifi ralink + wpa support ??? |
| 12:45.17 | abrocadabro | nelf: would you be able to connect to yourself? |
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| 12:45.43 | nelf | abrocadabro: yep, absolutely no problem over the local network. |
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| 12:46.52 | Kernel_Core | abrotman: Thank you ! it worked |
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| 12:47.38 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone help me find a Database Modelling application like DBDesigner and MySQL Workbench? None of them work on Debian out-of-the-box. It would be nice if it was available in repositories. |
| 12:47.59 | Malagmyr | Windows machines are just like the Star Trek ships... Every little breach, and the whole security system goes bye-bye. I'm almost expecting a message from my Windows box saying "It's overriding the security systems! I can't control it!" |
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| 12:50.18 | abrocadabro | nelf: what's the mtu value for your nic? |
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| 12:51.36 | pigor | how can i check which driver is in use for eth0 ? |
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| 12:53.27 | petemc | pigor: dmesg |
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| 12:53.58 | pigor | petemc: i will try - thanks |
| 12:54.18 | abrocadabro | nelf: try ifconfig eth0 (assume that's your card) , what's the value for your mtu? |
| 12:54.30 | abrotman | ethtool -i eth0 |
| 12:55.26 | petemc | a more robust solution, certainly |
| 12:56.31 | bwlang | i'd like to start scanning and keeping my paper files as images... anybody heard of an application to help with organizing all that? |
| 12:56.53 | petemc | my work paid $$ for docuware |
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| 12:57.45 | petemc | but swish-e is supposedly a decent indexer.. |
| 12:58.30 | bwlang | petemc: looks like docuware is for big organizations - i'm just me. |
| 12:58.39 | petemc | yeah |
| 12:58.44 | abrotman | so how much paper can you have ? |
| 12:59.09 | petemc | anything up to and including a fuckton |
| 12:59.32 | bwlang | not that much... 2 small filing cabinets |
| 12:59.49 | bwlang | but i don't want all that crap hanging around |
| 13:00.16 | bwlang | if it were easy enough i'd just scan in all my receipts, bills, etc. |
| 13:00.35 | nelf | abrocadabro: MTU 1500 |
| 13:01.04 | bwlang | swish-e looks like some kind of indexer.... but not optimized for images. maybe all i need is gqview and some kind of nice scanning front end |
| 13:01.09 | abrocadabro | nelf: change that to 576 to see if it helps, ifconfig eth0 mtu 576 |
| 13:01.36 | liable | wsjunior: i am getting weird ass errors building btsco that i have never seen before.. i cant even build the module atm.. |
| 13:01.59 | nelf | abrocadabro: I tried that, no different to ssh - also have some changed window sizes for when I use a satellite connection: |
| 13:02.18 | nelf | abrocadabro: up echo "4096 120000 120000" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem |
| 13:02.18 | Jemt | !dbdesigner |
| 13:02.28 | nelf | abrocadabro: up echo "4096 200000 200000" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem |
| 13:02.47 | wsjunior | liable, try just to pair the device |
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| 13:02.59 | wsjunior | liable, hcitool cc MAC |
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| 13:03.28 | abrocadabro | nelf: when you said it works on local network, were you refering to your localhost or other hosts on the same subnet? |
| 13:03.35 | nelf | abrocadabro: MTU made no difference to sendinng email either. |
| 13:03.36 | redrain | web |
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| 13:04.29 | nelf | abrocadabro: localhost and eth2 (ie loopback and private ip address), and earlier on today, to local machines on the network (there arent any here now) |
| 13:04.52 | liable | wsjunior: gimme a sec, i need to build the btsco module first.. i take it you have done that and modprobed it? |
| 13:05.03 | liable | wsjunior: then use the btsco to connect? |
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| 13:06.04 | abrocadabro | nelf: some ISP block port 25 because they don't want you to send emails on your own server, that's why some people use a smarthost. Is the host you were trying to ssh into on the same subnet? |
| 13:06.34 | liable | wsjunior: brb |
| 13:06.39 | wsjunior | liable, yes i modprobed it |
| 13:06.51 | wsjunior | liable, how to connect usign btsco? |
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| 13:10.09 | hjubal | my chrooted application starts but complains that can't find user/group |
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| 13:11.05 | liable | wsjunior: hrm, seems i have some problems here. i cant help you atm, i have some compiler problems i need to sort out |
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| 13:13.11 | nelf | abrocadabro: I think I'm going to bow out of this problem and return to my own nice working adsl connection! |
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| 13:13.26 | nelf | abrocadabro: Thanks very much for your help, but I think this is an ISP related issue |
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| 13:14.26 | liable | heh, i have done something funky to libtool, every command it tries, it includes an X in front of.. :/ |
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| 13:16.04 | Zmanu | hello |
| 13:17.01 | Zmanu | i have a kernel with framebuffer support, but i don't know how i can do to use links2 with graphic mode, i know command is links2 -g but how use framebuffer ? |
| 13:17.27 | wsjunior | liable, ok |
| 13:18.04 | liable | wsjunior: sec, fixed it, gimme a minute |
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| 13:22.55 | Jemt | I have just installed a package with the name 'dbdesigner'. But after installation, the program is not available under the name 'dbdesigner'. How can I find out what name it is under ? |
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| 13:26.51 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 13:27.11 | faber3 | if i use lvm over three disk and one dies, can i still recover the data from the other two ? |
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| 13:28.04 | abrotman | Jemt: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 13:28.16 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 13:28.28 | Jemt | I found out it could be done using 'dpkg-query -S <pkg>' too :) |
| 13:28.37 | Jemt | Bugger. Can't get DBDesigner to work :( |
| 13:29.51 | faber3 | Jemt: use an editor and write sql |
| 13:29.53 | liable | wsjunior: ignore me, i cant get anything to work atm.. stupid headset wont even light up |
| 13:30.06 | Jemt | faber3: I need it to draw the diagrams.. |
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| 13:30.12 | Jemt | Documentation you know |
| 13:31.52 | abrotman | you can try dia also |
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| 13:34.20 | ralfWORK | so I am not seeing any security updates on the mailing list |
| 13:34.43 | abrotman | really? .. i just got one |
| 13:34.45 | ralfWORK | but this morning all my machine's apticron output says I have like 10 packages to update |
| 13:34.52 | abrotman | ralfWORK: that 3.1r3 |
| 13:34.56 | abrotman | that's 3.1r3 |
| 13:35.01 | ralfWORK | ahhh |
| 13:35.06 | ralfWORK | ok |
| 13:35.10 | abrotman | if i see an op .. i'll get it added to the topic |
| 13:35.15 | ralfWORK | so I'm good to update then |
| 13:35.20 | abrotman | ideally ... |
| 13:35.23 | ralfWORK | I wanted to make sure there wasn't something wrong |
| 13:35.32 | abrotman | someone set us up a bomb ? |
| 13:35.41 | ralfWORK | move zig |
| 13:35.44 | riot | make your last zig! |
| 13:35.45 | ralfWORK | for great justice |
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| 13:35.58 | riot | all your web 2.0 are belong to us |
| 13:36.16 | ralfWORK | all your 3.1r2 are belong to us ;) |
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| 13:47.08 | jetscreamer | WAKE THE HELL UP , I AM |
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| 13:47.50 | tonsofpcs | lol jetscreamer |
| 13:47.54 | tonsofpcs | I was up before you were online |
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| 13:48.18 | abrotman | wow .. maybe he's in a different timezone ... |
| 13:48.27 | tonsofpcs | who? |
| 13:48.52 | eml | Hey, I just set up my new system (works nice). But, I did dpkg-reconfigure locales and chose fi-iso, fi-utf8, en_US-iso and en_US-utf8... what more would I have to do to get special characters working (input doesn't work now, output works gret) in aterm? |
| 13:49.08 | abrotman | does aterm understand utf ? |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | i guess it would if it outputs it |
| 13:49.59 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' dpkg-reconfigure console-data , but i don't know |
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| 13:50.20 | Jemt | abrotman: Thanks, but Dia does not support database modelling |
| 13:50.35 | abrotman | Jemt: eh .. i'm pretty sure it does |
| 13:50.55 | tonsofpcs | dia supports all sorts of modelling |
| 13:51.04 | tonsofpcs | heck, vi supports database modelling if you're a good enough asciiartist |
| 13:51.26 | Jemt | Well, I can't find the type of sheet I need |
| 13:51.35 | tonsofpcs | [or if you write in postscript] |
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| 13:52.37 | eml | abrotman, I use en_US-iso |
| 13:53.08 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 13:53.12 | Jemt | This is so fustrating. I've used hours trying to get MySQL Workbench and DBDesigner to work. I'm seriously considering starting my VMWare with Windows >.< |
| 13:53.18 | Jemt | frustrating |
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| 13:53.29 | eml | jetscreamer, Nah, didn't work :/ |
| 13:53.52 | abrotman | Jemt: there are even tools at the dia site to make SQL from dia diagrams |
| 13:53.54 | eml | Xterm got it right though! Could it be that I had utf-8 chosen when I installed aterm? I actually changed it, then tried re-installing aterm, no change though. |
| 13:54.14 | wsjunior | could anybody help me to pair a bluetooth device? |
| 13:54.17 | Jemt | abrotman: Hm, maybe I should check out their website then. Thanks |
| 13:54.35 | Jemt | !dia |
| 13:54.35 | dpkg | dia is probably a diagram tool located at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/, or (as DIA) Defense Intelligence Agency. |
| 13:54.42 | eml | !aterm |
| 13:54.42 | dpkg | from memory, aterm is at http://aterm.sourceforge.net/ (xterm replacement with fast transparency, tinting and NeXT scrollbar) or handles trans, tinting, and shading better than wterm |
| 13:55.05 | abrotman | Jemt: http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ .. there are other apps that should to that also |
| 13:55.14 | abrotman | Jemt: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 13:55.32 | Jemt | abrotman: I want to draw a simple E/R diagram |
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| 13:55.41 | enzopitek | hi everyone |
| 13:56.03 | enzopitek | does anyone meet a problem to update the package reportbug |
| 13:56.04 | enzopitek | ? |
| 13:56.27 | Jemt | abrotman: So it haft to support relations keys and that sort of things |
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| 13:59.02 | abrotman | Jemt: i'm not sure .. maybe tora ? |
| 13:59.12 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html |
| 13:59.24 | Jemt | abrotman: Checking :) |
| 14:00.12 | Jemt | abrotman: I'm not sure what you mean ? |
| 14:00.24 | Jemt | abrotman: Tora ? |
| 14:01.45 | BeBoo | Hmm, i've just bought a dedicated server from a server provider, but i'm not sure the raid is configured properly. Somehow i can detect if striped raid has been configured? |
| 14:02.26 | abrotman | !info tora sarge |
| 14:02.32 | abrotman | but i'm tno sure if it can do design |
| 14:02.36 | dpkg | tora: (A graphical toolkit for database developers and administrators), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.16-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3427 kB, Installed size: 9940 kB |
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| 14:02.46 | abrotman | Jemt: that URL wasn't for you :) |
| 14:02.57 | asulao | hello. pop3 question. what's better dovecot or imap for pop3 server? thanks. it's a fedora5 question, but nobody seems to know there. sorry. |
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| 14:03.03 | Jemt | abrotman: Ah, ok. Now it makes sense to me ;) |
| 14:03.06 | abrotman | imap isn't a pop3 server |
| 14:03.11 | abrotman | imap is imap .. pop3 is pop3 |
| 14:03.15 | asulao | abrotman: I've read it has a pop3 server |
| 14:03.23 | asulao | the imap rpm |
| 14:03.24 | abrotman | dovecot has pop3 and imap |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | asulao: apt-cache search dovecot |
| 14:03.50 | asulao | but, fedora5 has a dovecot beta, I'd prefer not use a beta |
| 14:03.56 | abrotman | ask #fedora? |
| 14:04.00 | asulao | I already did |
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| 14:04.23 | abrotman | asulao: dovecot can do both imap and pop3 .. those are different protocol |
| 14:04.25 | abrotman | protocols |
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| 14:04.37 | abrotman | !pop3 |
| 14:04.37 | dpkg | POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939 |
| 14:04.37 | Jemt | abrotman: Dosn't seem to have visual modelling capabilities |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | !imap |
| 14:04.38 | dpkg | somebody said imap was (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and ... |
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| 14:04.45 | abrotman | Jemt: wasn't sure if it would or not |
| 14:05.02 | abrotman | Jemt: dia can do what you're asking .. i'm pretty sure. . maybe ask #dia on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:05.04 | Jemt | Oh well. Booting Windows :-/ |
| 14:05.14 | Jemt | Oh, I'll try the channel first :) |
| 14:05.36 | Jemt | Empty |
| 14:05.54 | abrotman | really ? |
| 14:05.59 | Jemt | Yep |
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| 14:06.10 | abrotman | Jemt: erm .. moment |
| 14:06.13 | Jemt | :) |
| 14:06.16 | asulao | but pop3 is so much popular. I need pop3 |
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| 14:06.47 | abrotman | Jemt: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org about where to ask for dia help |
| 14:06.54 | abrotman | asulao: no you don't |
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| 14:06.56 | Jemt | Hehe, ok :) |
| 14:06.57 | abrotman | and dovecot does both |
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| 14:07.32 | asulao | but it's a beta |
| 14:07.39 | abrotman | and? |
| 14:07.45 | asulao | well... may be buggy? |
| 14:07.49 | abrotman | it's fedora .. nothign works anyways |
| 14:07.54 | asulao | xD |
| 14:07.57 | asulao | yeah it does |
| 14:07.59 | Neeesat25 | hello |
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| 14:08.19 | abrotman | asulao: then ask #fedora |
| 14:08.34 | asulao | well, it did kernel crash on me activating strict selinux |
| 14:08.40 | abrotman | shocker |
| 14:08.43 | asulao | already did |
| 14:09.45 | asulao | well, gotta go now. thanks for the help, I'll keep looking later. bye |
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| 14:10.58 | BeBoo | Is it possible to see if raid is configured on a server? |
| 14:11.06 | AndroidData | hi. how do you view the currently active net connections & reconnect them? I'm remotely connected through a shell. :\ |
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| 14:11.53 | RichiH | no idea what you mean by reconnect, but netstat -pnat |
| 14:12.22 | AndroidData | I want to disconnect the computer from the internet remotely, and then reconnect it. |
| 14:12.41 | AndroidData | well |
| 14:12.42 | AndroidData | I just added a new IP to use to /etc/hosts |
| 14:12.45 | Jemt | AndroidData: Try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:12.55 | RichiH | and that while you are logged in via ssh? |
| 14:12.59 | AndroidData | yes |
| 14:13.02 | AndroidData | er |
| 14:13.05 | RichiH | Jemt: he needs to do that from within screen, though |
| 14:13.23 | Jemt | AndroidData: If everything is configured properly, you should be able to re-login again afterwards |
| 14:13.39 | AndroidData | its a fresh installation |
| 14:13.39 | RichiH | AndroidData: well. i would make very, very extremely sure you have all the commands in the right order, along with a backup procedure |
| 14:13.54 | AndroidData | I'll execute it in a vnc server |
| 14:13.59 | RichiH | put that into a script, test it locally, run screen on the remote host and run that script from within screen |
| 14:14.03 | AndroidData | so it'll continue running the program even after I'm done |
| 14:14.31 | RichiH | no use in having it run when the nic stops listening on that ip |
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| 14:14.36 | AndroidData | o.o |
| 14:14.46 | AndroidData | How do you add an IP address? |
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| 14:15.01 | Jemt | ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:15.06 | Jemt | AndroidData: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 |
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| 14:15.34 | AndroidData | ? |
| 14:15.41 | AndroidData | the computer has two usable addresses |
| 14:15.47 | AndroidData | it's using eth0 for the first address |
| 14:15.51 | Jemt | Oh |
| 14:15.53 | AndroidData | should I add a new for the second address? |
| 14:16.04 | Jemt | You want two IPs to point to the same Network Card ? |
| 14:16.09 | AndroidData | ya |
| 14:16.14 | BeBoo | There must be an easy way to see if software raid has been configured or not? |
| 14:16.15 | Jemt | Can't help then |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 14:16.46 | BeBoo | thanks abrotman |
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| 14:17.21 | BeBoo | Jemt, if you need to ips on one network card, just add a new entry in /etc/network/interfaces called eth0:0, and when you're done use ifup eth0:0 |
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| 14:17.45 | Jemt | BeBoo: Oh, great. Thanks :) |
| 14:17.52 | Jemt | AndroidData: What BeBoo said :) |
| 14:18.22 | BeBoo | oh sorry i was blind :p |
| 14:18.45 | Jemt | ;) |
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| 14:18.53 | mateusz | Hi |
| 14:18.57 | BeBoo | abrotman, you know if it's possible to configure software raid stribe without re-installing? |
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| 14:19.27 | AndroidData | uh I don't want to accidentally disconnect myself |
| 14:19.38 | AndroidData | but I just copy the bit after "auto eth0" and then put in the second ip? |
| 14:19.42 | mateusz | I downloaded zip file, and it looks like it is corrupted but it's 2,5Gb how to check if its the same as the one on mirror without downloading it one more time ? |
| 14:20.11 | abrotman | BeBoo: i don't use swraid |
| 14:20.22 | abrotman | mateusz: md5sum if available |
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| 14:20.35 | mateusz | abrotman: thx |
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| 14:20.37 | BeBoo | AndroidData, you create a new section in your interfaces file with: iface eth0:0 inet static <new line> Address <your ip> <new line> Netmask <your subnet mask>, and put eth0:0 after eth0 in your auto line |
| 14:20.44 | BeBoo | abrotman, ok :) |
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| 14:20.52 | mateusz | abrotman: is it possible to binary diff it or repair it? |
| 14:22.12 | abrotman | from the webserver? |
| 14:22.22 | AndroidData | ok that did it. thanks. |
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| 14:22.33 | nm | re * |
| 14:22.38 | nm | how do i get nfs run on debian sarge ? |
| 14:22.55 | nm | i try to apt-get install nfs-common nfs-user-server |
| 14:23.20 | nm | and append to /etc/exports /mnt/usb 192.168.0.0/24(rw) |
| 14:23.40 | nm | but when mount from another computer, get permission denied |
| 14:23.44 | nvz | I'm rich I got $0.99 till the 15th :P |
| 14:23.47 | nm | slax mnt # mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.0.223:/mnt/usb /mnt/tmp |
| 14:23.47 | nm | mount: 192.168.0.223:/mnt/usb failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
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| 14:24.04 | nm | someone have any idea ? |
| 14:24.16 | nvz | gotta love payday |
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| 14:26.35 | Exclamation | any wireless experts around? |
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| 14:26.57 | nvz | any question asking experts around? |
| 14:27.22 | nvz | we might need the jaws of life to get the real question out of this one |
| 14:27.39 | Exclamation | sure, im trying to get my broadcom to work but ndiswrapper wont work, let me get the error |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | Exclamation: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:28.37 | Exclamation | http://pastebin.isawsome.net/pastebin.php?show=46 |
| 14:29.10 | abrotman | Exclamation: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ... what does it say ? |
| 14:29.12 | Exclamation | ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 14:29.18 | nvz | heh |
| 14:29.19 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu |
| 14:29.36 | Exclamation | people in ubunut cant help me :( |
| 14:29.51 | Exclamation | i came here to get help from the pros |
| 14:30.01 | nvz | the pros at debian |
| 14:30.11 | abrotman | Exclamation: tough shit .. you installed ubuntu .. you get ubuntu support |
| 14:30.14 | nvz | we dont keep tabs on other peoples packages |
| 14:30.17 | tralala | Exclamation: install debian, this will be a great help |
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| 14:31.01 | Exclamation | :(, the ubuntu people just keep sending me to the damn guide. i need someone to help me troubleshoot |
| 14:31.20 | possie | i want to bind several sites together via a VPN ipsec tunnel, what is good linux software for this? |
| 14:31.22 | tralala | Exclamation: you can get help here with installing debian |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | Exclamation: really .. GO TO #ubuntu |
| 14:31.36 | shinmaz | salut les frenchies |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | Exclamation: ubuntu is not supported in #debian |
| 14:31.40 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:31.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
| 14:31.56 | Exclamation | alright guys, i will try #ubuntu for a bit, otherwise i will isntall debian. |
| 14:32.02 | Exclamation | :) |
| 14:32.06 | riot | Exclamation: good idea. |
| 14:32.36 | moshii | Exclamation: or just install debian ;P |
| 14:32.43 | tralala | Exclamation: now that's some good thinking! |
| 14:33.29 | Exclamation | reason i chose ubuntu was so that it would detect and have everything working out of the box. but the obviously isnt the case |
| 14:33.56 | nvz | Exclamation: exactly what I was thinking.. all the more reason to just use debian ;) |
| 14:34.02 | moshii | Exclamation: discover is pretty good now |
| 14:34.27 | moshii | Exclamation: if you have a modern-ish system with no ISA hardware you should be ok :) |
| 14:34.42 | Exclamation | well, im on a laptop |
| 14:34.49 | nvz | whats an I-S-A .. heh |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | Exclamation: we really don't care .. GO TO #ubuntu |
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| 14:35.08 | nvz | I think my vectra has ISA.. |
| 14:35.20 | shinmaz | nvz > ISA stands for Informatic Supercomputer Abomination |
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| 14:35.21 | abrotman | probably |
| 14:35.23 | ofer0 | When installing Apache, Debian automatically starts it. I don't want it to happen, how do I stop Debian from starting Apache after installing it? |
| 14:35.25 | eastwood | you guys user discover1 or discover only? |
| 14:35.29 | Exclamation | im in #ubunut but the bastards keep ignoring me |
| 14:35.35 | nvz | yipe! my hd has fallen and it cant get up |
| 14:35.41 | wsjunior | please, could anybody here help me with bluetooth devices? |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | i wonder why ... |
| 14:35.43 | shinmaz | ofer0> update-rc.d apache off |
| 14:35.53 | ofer0 | shinmaz, I don't have apache installed |
| 14:36.13 | riot | nvz: how should it, without arms and legs..? *g* |
| 14:36.21 | wsjunior | i get this error trying to connect Failed to connect to SDP server on 00:07:A4:41:6F:7D: Invalid exchange, could anybody help me? |
| 14:36.21 | ofer0 | Exclamation, this is not #ubuntu. |
| 14:36.28 | shinmaz | ofr0 > "apt-get -y install apache && update-rc.d apache off" |
| 14:36.36 | nvz | riot: and without any mounting screws or brackets for that matter |
| 14:36.49 | ofer0 | shinmaz, Thanks, but I can't afford to have apache running even for a second |
| 14:36.49 | Exclamation | alright guys, might be back with debian later |
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| 14:36.55 | nvz | riot: thats what I get for letting gravity take care of my hd |
| 14:37.11 | riot | nvz: Obey gravity - its the law! |
| 14:37.16 | nvz | heh |
| 14:37.39 | cusco | that exclamation guy has been here before.. he will say to have debian but I will find hard to believe :P |
| 14:37.42 | abrotman | doubtful ... |
| 14:37.47 | ofer0 | shinmaz, maybe if I'll change debconf priority to the lowest, it will ask me whether I want to start Apache? |
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| 14:38.11 | stew | eastwood: i don't know of any reason to use discover1 since discover is available in stable |
| 14:38.31 | eastwood | ok, just asked i'll migrate then |
| 14:38.37 | eastwood | since discover seems more recent |
| 14:38.56 | stew | where 1.5 years old is more recent than 2.5 years, or something |
| 14:38.59 | stew | discover is dead upstream |
| 14:39.41 | shinmaz | ofer0> you dont want apache to run because of network connections ? |
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| 14:40.22 | shinmaz | ofer0> if it is for security reason, just add an iptables drop http before installing and remove it after |
| 14:40.50 | ofer0 | shinmaz, I don't want it to run because I run Apache outside this chroot() jail on port 80. If the Apache which runs inside the chroot() will try to assign this ip:port, it will stop the main Apache from working. |
| 14:41.26 | ofer0 | And 10 seconds of down-time for me is at least 500$ worth of money loss |
| 14:41.32 | shinmaz | ofer0> ok |
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| 14:42.14 | moshii | ofer0: copy the config file for apache to the chroot and change the port |
| 14:42.15 | stew | shinmaz: tried #java ? |
| 14:42.24 | nvz | ofer0: you selling products through apache? cause users can wait 10 seconds as long as they dont have a contract.. screw em :P |
| 14:42.27 | shinmaz | gonna go to this chan :) |
| 14:42.28 | moshii | ofer0: so when you install it binds to a different port |
| 14:42.29 | shinmaz | stew > ty |
| 14:42.45 | ofer0 | nvz, I sell web services |
| 14:42.46 | abrotman | stew: can you put notice about 3.1r3 in topic ? http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html |
| 14:42.47 | wsjunior | i get this error trying to connect Failed to connect to SDP server on 00:07:A4:41:6F:7D: Invalid exchange, could anybody help me with my bluetooth headset? |
| 14:42.53 | ofer0 | moshii, good idea. thanks you very much! |
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| 14:43.14 | nvz | ofer0: enough to make $50 a second? |
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| 14:43.35 | stew | abrotman: is there a factoid? |
| 14:43.43 | shinmaz | ofer0> i think a cofee ll help me to find you a solution |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | stew: eh .. no? :) |
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| 14:43.56 | ofer0 | shinmaz, moshii already find me one :) but thanks |
| 14:44.07 | nvz | I think a little coughfee will help me |
| 14:44.08 | stew | abrotman: can you make one? |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | stew: Notice: 3.1r3 is released: http://tinyurl.com/q8fy9 |
| 14:44.32 | raf256client | hello, in bash, which variable store the PID of last executed command? |
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| 14:45.02 | raf256client | like tripwire & ; ionice -p $lastpid ? |
| 14:45.20 | ofer0 | nvz, It's not the issue. Every second of downtime decreases your reliability. 10 seconds is a lot of time when your small-business depends on a web program, now is it? |
| 14:45.21 | BeBoo | Setting up software raid-1, can i do that in a current installation without re-installing? |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | !sarge 3.1r3 |
| 14:45.28 | dpkg | Sarge 3.1r3 has been released as of Sept 1st: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html |
| 14:45.31 | abrotman | stew: ^ |
| 14:45.35 | ofer0 | BeBoo, yeah, but it will be hard. |
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| 14:45.48 | ofer0 | BeBoo, and you need a reset |
| 14:45.50 | BeBoo | hmm, really hard? |
| 14:45.53 | BeBoo | The reboot is ok |
| 14:46.12 | nvz | ofer0: I suppose. |
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| 14:46.53 | ofer0 | BeBoo, maybe you should consider reinstalling if that's your computer @ home |
| 14:47.01 | nvz | I am used to a service industry where you get the customer to assume the position while you carefully place yourself behind them and _service_ _the_ _account_ |
| 14:47.31 | BeBoo | ofer0, dedicated box in another country :/ |
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| 14:48.34 | nvz | maybe my customer service skills need a refresher.. or maybe I need sensitivity training.. you know how to lube up first |
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| 14:49.42 | tralala | I'm mounting my usb stick with autofs. Adding the "sync" option to it has decreased writing the performance to the point of not being usable any more. Any ideas how to have sync writes without a performance hit? |
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| 14:51.17 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> Debian 3.1r3 released: /msg dpkg sarge 3.1r3 | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 14:51.31 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 14:51.37 | stew | i'll do oftc in a moment, i'm busy IRL |
| 14:51.42 | abrotman | thank you |
| 14:51.55 | nvz | stew: you have a RL? lucky bastard |
| 14:52.41 | ofer0 | BeBoo, okay. that's a good reason not to do it. you will have to create 2 new IDENTICAL (max 1% difference) partitions on both disks, create a RAID device from them (using mknod and mdadm hot-add), then let mdadm and /etc/fstab know that you want those devices create @ boot time. then you reset, move all your data to this partition, deletes the other partitions and create a RAID-1 out of them too. |
| 14:53.19 | Trewas | tralala: probably not, at some point of 2.6.x kernels sync with vfat was also far too agressive leading to dead flash-memory very fast |
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| 14:54.11 | xored_ | roundhousekick |
| 14:55.21 | nvz | I never had a flash media die on me.. but these cheap little Memorex mp3 players I have the damn cables die on me.. nothing worse than cheap cabling. they got some kind of wire they use in cheap electronics looks like sewing thread you cant splice it or anything because it just falls apart |
| 14:55.25 | moshii | can anyone suggest a good/cheap debian supporting dedicated or VPS host? |
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| 14:56.32 | dendrite | moshii: I've had good luck with Bluehost. |
| 14:56.46 | stew | dpkg: sarge 3.1r3 is also if you are already running sarge and have a security line in sources.list you are already running 3.1r3, ask me about <security> |
| 14:56.46 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:56.52 | nvz | I think the shit is cotton threads woven together then sprayed with some kind of conductable material then glue of some kind to hold it together and insulate it |
| 14:57.04 | nvz | they've been doing it for years its crap |
| 14:57.06 | dendrite | moshii: Somewhere on debian's site is a list... |
| 14:57.14 | moshii | dendrite: cheers, I'll take a look |
| 14:57.21 | stew | nvz: yeah, i just moved, i have more of a RL than i'm used to now, and i'm surrounded by boxes |
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| 14:58.20 | moshii | dendrite: I'm currently paying $1 a month and it's a bit crap to say the least |
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| 14:58.39 | shinmaz | ofer0> cant u put a dummy init.d script for apache or a dummy apachectl command in your PATH just to prevent apache from starting |
| 14:59.16 | dendrite | moshii: Heh. Well, you may not always get what you pay for, but you almost never get more... |
| 14:59.54 | moshii | dendrite: it's well featured, it's just either the machine is overloaded or it's too many hops away |
| 15:01.01 | dendrite | moshii: They have to make your $1 pay for everything, ya know... |
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| 15:03.59 | mhall | Has anybody got a suggestion of an application that can print RFCs properly with the ^L character breaking the page, etc? Otherwise they are hard to read. |
| 15:04.20 | ofer0 | mhall, like fold? |
| 15:04.24 | moshii | dendrite: I can get a VPS with 256mb of ram for $15/mo ... It'll probably work out worse |
| 15:04.38 | ofer0 | moshii, johncompanies |
| 15:04.47 | moshii | ofer0: ? |
| 15:04.54 | ofer0 | http://www.johncompanies.com/ |
| 15:05.00 | ofer0 | best VPS ever |
| 15:05.23 | moshii | support debian though? |
| 15:05.26 | moshii | or netbsd? |
| 15:05.28 | ofer0 | I have no idea |
| 15:05.34 | ofer0 | I bought it with RHEL |
| 15:05.44 | mhall | speaking of vps, etc. i'm wondering, are there any hosting companies which would let me use my connection for things besides web traffic, such as bittorrent for example |
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| 15:05.59 | mhall | moshii: i believe john does support those oses |
| 15:06.06 | ofer0 | yeah moshii, they support Debian. |
| 15:06.20 | mhall | moshii: http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_linux.html |
| 15:06.32 | mhall | moshii: you can get ubuntu also if you want a newer stable tree |
| 15:06.37 | ofer0 | anyway, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM hardhat OR hostdime; (It looks like an SQL statement, is it?) |
| 15:06.37 | moshii | hmm $40 a month is a bit much |
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| 15:06.53 | moshii | not being cheap, just have to still be able to pay my rent etc |
| 15:07.04 | ofer0 | moshii, johncompnies costs 15$/m |
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| 15:07.45 | moshii | ofer0: the basic one is $47 from what I can see |
| 15:07.58 | Dewi | ofer0: you should use the more compatible "BUY ONLY FROM" statement. BUY (ANYTHING) ONLY FROM NOT(hardhat or hostdime); |
| 15:08.05 | mhall | ofer0: SELECT * FROM hosting_companies WHERE clue > 0; ... 0 rows returned; |
| 15:08.09 | mhall | Dewi: lol! |
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| 15:08.15 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 15:08.17 | ofer0 | Dewi, :) |
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| 15:08.39 | ofer0 | mhall, is that psql ? |
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| 15:08.55 | mhall | ofer0: the only one i ever learned was oracle |
| 15:09.08 | mhall | ofer0: i needed it when working at an enterprise |
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| 15:09.21 | mhall | oh and i did use a bit of mysql |
| 15:09.30 | ofer0 | Yeah.. We use PgSQL everywhere though. |
| 15:10.26 | ofer0 | (That's because I get to choose which software we are going to use everywhere :) |
| 15:10.32 | Bushmills | moshii: you can rent a dedicated server for about 37$, running linux. not a "virtual" server, but whole machine yours to use. means, you can install and run the server and clients you want to run yourself. |
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| 15:11.35 | moshii | Bushmills: where from? |
| 15:11.44 | tralala | Trewas: Oh, boy! That's good to know (me quickly turns the sync off). Thanks a lot! |
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| 15:12.06 | moshii | Bushmills: I've been looking all over, the cheap ones generally have TOS's that screw you over |
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| 15:12.28 | Bushmills | moshii: mind if i /msg you? |
| 15:12.37 | raj | how to run cron daily at 0 hrs |
| 15:12.38 | moshii | Bushmills: not at all |
| 15:12.48 | moshii | raj: man cron |
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| 15:13.04 | raj | 0 0 * * * root is it right moshii |
| 15:13.10 | dendrite | raj: Consider some non-on-the-hour timing. |
| 15:13.29 | dendrite | raj: Just to avoid having all sorts of things trying to run at the same time. |
| 15:13.46 | raj | k |
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| 15:14.09 | mhall | ofer0: postgres really is the better open source db from what i hear, more sophisticated featureset |
| 15:14.12 | grencez | can anyone help with a "mac on linux" issue? #debianppc is rather dead |
| 15:14.18 | raj | is it right dendrite |
| 15:14.38 | mhall | grencez: ask and we'll see what we can do; linux ppc in general is rather dead for non-embedded stuff |
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| 15:14.47 | mhall | grencez: i have the same problem all the time on SPARC |
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| 15:18.07 | grencez | mhall: ok, well i have a working os x on /dev/hda1, and when i run "startmol --osx", i get some errors.. should i pastebin it? |
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| 15:21.17 | sts | hello folks. Can someone please help me to get postfix/saslauthd playing together nicely? I installed both, postfix seems to be looking in /var/run/saslauthd/mux for the socket, saslauthd binds to the same when it starts, but it still doesn't work: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 15:21.45 | r_marvin | sts: postfix is chrooted in /var/spool/postfix |
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| 15:22.59 | grencez | ok, here's my MOL errors... http://pastebin.com/781380 |
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| 15:23.18 | r_marvin | Sts: see http://brainspl.at/rails_stack.html (at point 8, postfix) |
| 15:23.21 | sts | r_marvin: arrrrgh! you are right, i didn't see that chroot is default in the master.cs |
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| 15:24.12 | sts | r_marvin: thanks |
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| 15:25.32 | cyzie | hello, anyone know what package i need to install in order to display chinese characters in my debian system? |
| 15:25.54 | tuv | cyzie, look for truetype chinese fonts |
| 15:27.15 | BeBoo | ofer0, sorry didn't see your reply. But thanks for the info, i just drop the idea :p |
| 15:27.44 | sts | r_marvin: how does the init script keep the chroot in sync? |
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| 15:28.28 | cyzie | tuv, thanks |
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| 15:30.16 | sts | r_marvin: got it... |
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| 15:30.21 | Azio | Hello there :) |
| 15:30.31 | Azio | can somebody help me with VNC for linux ;> |
| 15:30.31 | sts | hello There! |
| 15:30.39 | Azio | im not a complete moron, honest |
| 15:30.39 | Azio | :D |
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| 15:31.01 | Azio | im actually trying to run X on my development cluster |
| 15:31.07 | Azio | correction, i AM running X :) |
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| 15:31.27 | Azio | Having problems getting vnc4server to find the ./vnc4passwd that im setting |
| 15:31.29 | bukowski | hello, is there any way to browse text based internet sites by command shell |
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| 15:31.57 | grencez | linx? |
| 15:32.06 | Azio | ^ SSecurityFactoryStandard: passwordFile parameter not set |
| 15:32.06 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.06 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.14 | Azio | Any help greatly appreciated ;o) |
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| 15:32.18 | loxley_ | bukowski: lynx |
| 15:32.28 | grencez | ahh... damn my spelling |
| 15:32.51 | Azio | bukowski theres always wget and pico :D heh |
| 15:32.57 | dendrite | bukowski: links, lynx, w3m |
| 15:33.04 | bukowski | thank you guys |
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| 15:33.47 | grencez | so... anyone up for the MOL problem? |
| 15:33.52 | dendrite | bukowski: telnet <host> 80 ;-) |
| 15:34.01 | Azio | :< |
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| 15:35.02 | grencez | http://pastebin.com/781380 <-- there's my errors when running startmol -X |
| 15:35.50 | Azio | if anyone can help me get vnc to work on my openmosix-1 cluster (for some reason vnc4passwd isnt registering, yes it is root but om is insecure anyway and its dev work) :( |
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| 15:37.22 | tuv | what's MOL? |
| 15:37.34 | abrotman | mac-on-linux |
| 15:37.37 | abrotman | god pastebin.com sucks |
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| 15:37.54 | tuv | Azio, you may want to try vncpasswd |
| 15:38.07 | abrotman | !info mol sarge |
| 15:38.16 | raf256 | is there ionice for debian yet? |
| 15:38.35 | Azio | ive tried vncpasswd and vnc4passwd :D |
| 15:38.47 | abrotman | stupid bot! |
| 15:38.50 | abrotman | only has x86 |
| 15:38.54 | ofer0 | Azio, never use VNC as root. |
| 15:38.55 | ofer0 | NEVER! |
| 15:39.01 | Azio | i did answer that question |
| 15:39.01 | Azio | :D |
| 15:39.07 | Azio | if it was behind a pix, would you worry? |
| 15:39.07 | Azio | :P |
| 15:39.08 | grencez | abrotman: sorry that pastebin sucks |
| 15:39.11 | stew | abrotman: ravenbird is ppc |
| 15:39.16 | tuv | abrotman, i can't find a package called mol on my system |
| 15:39.17 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 15:39.21 | abrotman | grencez: try pastebin.ca |
| 15:39.25 | abrotman | ~info mol sarge |
| 15:39.27 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.27 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:39.35 | Azio | lol raf256 |
| 15:39.35 | abrotman | argh .. wrong bot! |
| 15:39.41 | abrotman | @info mol sarge |
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| 15:39.48 | abrotman | tuv: because you're on x86 |
| 15:39.55 | raf256 | Azio: for example, I would like it to be more organized. Like /dev/tty/1 2 3 etc |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | tuv: packages.debian.org/mol |
| 15:40.07 | tuv | abrotman, hmm.. so it's for ppc |
| 15:40.20 | grencez | tuv: indeeed |
| 15:40.30 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.11 | Azio | omg |
| 15:41.13 | Azio | vnc sucks :< |
| 15:41.15 | Azio | :) |
| 15:41.19 | Azio | its embarassing.. |
| 15:41.22 | grencez | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 15:41.31 | Azio | "I cant get vnc4server to work on X on my 2.4.26 om supercomputer" |
| 15:41.43 | mhall | grencez: i'm looking |
| 15:42.19 | madclicker | odd problem, when i have a 8139too and a skge module loading for eth0 and eth1 (etch 2.1.16) i cant bring eth1 (8139t00) one, it keeps erroring out. Any ideas? |
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| 15:42.40 | inv | hi all |
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| 15:43.07 | abrotman | grencez: eh .. nope |
| 15:43.35 | mhall | grencez: internet says: You haven't installed the Debian mol-osx package. |
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| 15:43.56 | Azio | is there a vnc support chan? :< lmao |
| 15:44.11 | tuv | Azio, check your vnc conf. file |
| 15:44.33 | ofer0 | Azio, create a user, run vncpasswd, then vncserver. and connect from remote. |
| 15:44.43 | tuv | Azio, it seems from the first message you've posted like vnc doesn't know where to look for the passwd file at |
| 15:44.47 | Azio | thanks guys, i cant seem to find a vnc.conf file :D |
| 15:44.51 | Azio | yeah tuv ;/ |
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| 15:44.54 | grencez | mhall: i couldn't find it with aptitude or anything... is it online somewhere? |
| 15:45.02 | ofer0 | you don't need no config file. the default config file is fine |
| 15:45.07 | Azio | frantically searching for the .conf :D |
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| 15:45.11 | Azio | ok |
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| 15:45.24 | ofer0 | what's the error when you try to connect? (NOT as root) |
| 15:45.33 | mhall | grencez: hmm |
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| 15:45.43 | Azio | heh, ok i am using root but there is a good reason.. honest |
| 15:45.55 | Azio | its a local development cluster |
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| 15:46.02 | Azio | behind a gateway and 2 firewalls :D |
| 15:46.13 | grencez | mhall: i believe i've found it, nm |
| 15:46.22 | mhall | grencez: Package mol-drivers-macosx |
| 15:46.22 | Azio | ok there is no vnc.conf :> |
| 15:46.29 | plugwash | am i the only one who considers it strange that they didn't put a dependency needed to install a security update into the security repositrty? |
| 15:46.30 | mhall | grencez: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mol&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 15:46.46 | plugwash | forcing people to manually grab the dependency from propsed-updates |
| 15:46.54 | ravenbird | mol: (The Mac-on-Linux emulator), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.70-17 (sarge), Packaged size: 953 kB, Installed size: 3328 kB |
| 15:46.56 | Azio | Hestia:/usr/bin# ./vnc4config |
| 15:46.56 | Azio | ./vnc4config: unable to open display "" |
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| 15:47.00 | Azio | :) my problem it seems |
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| 15:47.11 | mhall | Azio: dpkg -L the vnc package; see what files it makes |
| 15:47.15 | grencez | mhall: WOOT |
| 15:47.17 | tuv | Azio, i'd remove anything related to vnc in the home dir. (e.g. .vnc*) and try again |
| 15:47.23 | Azio | ok :D |
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| 15:47.27 | mhall | Azio: check if your DISPLAY variable is retarded |
| 15:47.33 | Azio | possibly :D |
| 15:47.37 | Azio | i can connect to :0 no problems |
| 15:47.39 | mhall | Azio: maybe there's a conf file in there somewhere |
| 15:47.41 | Azio | its solely a passwd issue i think |
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| 15:47.53 | Azio | ive run updatedb and locate vnc | grep .conf |
| 15:48.00 | mhall | grencez: lol they just changed the name; that's TDB. typical debian behavior! |
| 15:48.16 | tuv | Azio, "./vnc4config: unable to open display """ are you trying to set it up remotely without a DISPLAY set? |
| 15:48.26 | Azio | im using a CLI |
| 15:48.29 | mhall | anyhow g2g |
| 15:48.33 | Azio | vnc starts OK |
| 15:48.42 | Azio | i feel that its solely a problem with vnc.conf |
| 15:48.45 | Azio | and/or the passwd file |
| 15:48.50 | cydork | hey does this room need one more infobot :) |
| 15:48.51 | Azio | let me demonstrate :D |
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| 15:49.36 | Azio | Fri Sep 1 19:09:30 2006 |
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| 15:49.47 | Azio | doh |
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| 15:50.06 | Azio | VncAuth: No password configured for VNC Auth |
| 15:50.06 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.12 | Azio | brb , reinstalling :D |
| 15:50.17 | Rick77 | how can I create a range of virtual interfaces ? |
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| 15:52.30 | piper69 | hi all |
| 15:52.53 | Azio | Rick77 a range? |
| 15:52.57 | piper69 | is there a program like kazza that will allow me to download music for debian |
| 15:53.01 | Azio | as in use address 192.168.0.0/24 ? |
| 15:53.08 | Azio | lool |
| 15:53.17 | Rick77 | Azio: yes |
| 15:53.19 | zinx | piper69: illegally? |
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| 15:53.29 | Azio | hmm Rick77 |
| 15:53.35 | loxley_ | Rick77: in /etc/network/interfaces use eth1:0 eth1:1 eth1:2 etc |
| 15:53.35 | Azio | youve probably thought of it |
| 15:53.39 | Azio | but id write an .sh |
| 15:53.41 | Rick77 | Azio: instead of creating 200 interfaces manually |
| 15:53.47 | Azio | heh dont do it manually |
| 15:53.48 | Azio | :D |
| 15:53.53 | Azio | create it dynamically with a script |
| 15:53.59 | Azio | inet static eth0:$n |
| 15:54.00 | Rick77 | lol |
| 15:54.03 | piper69 | zinx: what do you mean ? |
| 15:54.07 | Azio | no really, its quite effective |
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| 15:54.17 | piper69 | is kazza illegl |
| 15:54.20 | Azio | dont like the idea of having such a large "loookup" in etc/network/interfaces but.. |
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| 15:54.26 | Azio | should be ok. cause its only used by ifup |
| 15:54.32 | Azio | so yeah :D |
| 15:54.41 | Azio | a for loop, bit of creativity |
| 15:54.47 | zinx | piper69: downloading copyrighted music without permission is |
| 15:54.50 | Azio | 192.168.0.$n |
| 15:54.51 | Azio | :D |
| 15:55.07 | Azio | could even have incremental gateway output for additional ranges hehe Rick77 :D |
| 15:55.09 | zinx | piper69: i don't know of any apps in debian that have spyware like kazaa, unfortunately |
| 15:55.25 | Azio | hmm |
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| 15:55.38 | Azio | everybody is installing linux these days |
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| 15:55.57 | zinx | Azio: nah, just the geeks and the geek-wannabes |
| 15:55.58 | Azio | Rick77 hope my idea was helpful ;-D |
| 15:55.59 | lindenle | Hi im getting GPG error: http://debian.mirrors.tds.net sarge Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F. Should I be nervous about any packages from this site? |
| 15:56.01 | Azio | lmao zinx |
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| 15:56.12 | Azio | i think i qualify as a geek wannabe |
| 15:56.17 | dendrite | lindenle: Yes. |
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| 15:56.40 | Azio | i just like writing sh that floods nslookup and ip tables heh ;o |
| 15:56.42 | Rick77 | Azio: thanks |
| 15:56.45 | lindenle | dendrite: so should i switch mirrors |
| 15:56.51 | Azio | np Rick77 |
| 15:56.52 | Azio | :D |
| 15:56.54 | Azio | :) |
| 15:56.59 | Azio | if you have problems let me know |
| 15:57.00 | dendrite | lindenle: Make sure your keys are up to date... |
| 15:57.16 | Azio | not that you would ; -) |
| 15:57.46 | lindenle | dendrite: I followedthe dpkg advice above and it was already up to date |
| 15:57.49 | piper69 | zinx: what about edonkey? |
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| 16:00.12 | BarryAllen | hi all, anyone using courier imap there? |
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| 16:00.19 | ofer0 | BarryAllen, sure do |
| 16:00.36 | Azio | lord take me now. |
| 16:00.37 | Azio | :D |
| 16:00.53 | ofer0 | Azio, use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 16:01.03 | Azio | mmm |
| 16:01.03 | BarryAllen | ofer0, im having issues to delete messages of my Trash folder (purge), |
| 16:01.15 | BarryAllen | ofer0, u know anything about that (courier/imap) |
| 16:01.36 | ofer0 | BarryAllen, using which application you tried to delete those messages ? |
| 16:01.52 | Azio | Unpacking vncserver (from .../vncserver_3.3.7-7_i386.deb) . |
| 16:02.00 | Azio | anybody have a clue where that might dpkg -i to? :> |
| 16:02.13 | BarryAllen | ofer0, evolution, the messages are moved to the Trash folder, but i cant delete they from Trash folder (purge). |
| 16:02.14 | Azio | /etc/alternatives/ i suppose? |
| 16:02.31 | moshii | Azio: dpkg -L vncserver |
| 16:02.35 | ofer0 | Azio, use TightVNC |
| 16:02.44 | Azio | neat command moshii /me remembers it |
| 16:02.48 | Azio | ok ofer0 |
| 16:03.09 | ofer0 | BarryAllen, please try an other application. Maybe that's an evolution-issue. I'm using thunderbird with the default courier-imap config file, and I can delete messages easily. |
| 16:03.31 | BarryAllen | ill try some webmail or other client, tks |
| 16:03.40 | yang | Is there something what could be used as an auto-responder email, if you are on vacations ? |
| 16:03.53 | Azio | using tightvnc now |
| 16:03.57 | ofer0 | Azio, good. |
| 16:04.06 | ofer0 | Azio, I told you what the procedure is: |
| 16:04.09 | moshii | yang: maybe you could do something in your .forward? |
| 16:04.11 | Azio | lets just hope this one likes X and actually makes a proper .conf |
| 16:04.20 | Azio | ofer0 yes you did, i believe that was before i got kicked :< |
| 16:04.22 | Azio | heh |
| 16:04.33 | roxy_ | on unstable, I aptitude update/dist-upgrade. I am having problem with libuim3 but I can't find this package in debian.org . Where does it comes from ? |
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| 16:04.36 | yang | moshii: but .forward would only send an email to another address destination ? |
| 16:04.38 | ofer0 | 1. Install the server. 2. Run vncpasswd as NOT root. 3. Run vncserver as NOT root. 4. connect to that server. |
| 16:04.41 | moshii | yang: like forward the mail through something to extract the sender address and send them a reply |
| 16:04.49 | Azio | ok |
| 16:04.51 | ofer0 | Notice that you have to specify the screen you are connecting to! |
| 16:04.51 | Azio | thanks ofer0 :) |
| 16:04.56 | Azio | theres always su :o |
| 16:05.06 | ofer0 | for example: 192.168.1.1:0 |
| 16:05.12 | PDani | hi |
| 16:05.15 | moshii | yang: I use .forward to push mails into procmail, I assume you can push the messages to any program |
| 16:05.22 | ofer0 | 0 is the screen. you know which server you have to connect to if you read the output of "vncserver" when you run it. |
| 16:05.28 | PDani | is there some util for gtk like qtconfig for qt? |
| 16:05.54 | Azio | :D |
| 16:05.56 | ofer0 | PDani, for GTK or for GNOME/Nautilus/Other applications? |
| 16:06.01 | Azio | this looks much more promising |
| 16:06.05 | PDani | ofer0: gtk |
| 16:06.36 | PDani | ofer0: to customize the UI of gtk-apps on KDE |
| 16:07.52 | ofer0 | PDani, Maybe gconf2 will suite your needs. |
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| 16:08.54 | roxy_ | where can I find package libuim3 ? or any information about it ? |
| 16:09.19 | ofer0 | roxy_, where did you hear about this package? |
| 16:09.42 | PDani | ofer0: thx |
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| 16:09.59 | roxy_ | ofer0: aptitude is having trouble with it, it is in my archive but can't find anything about with google |
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| 16:10.28 | ofer0 | roxy_, having trouble with it how? show me the logfile |
| 16:10.56 | MindCr | roxy_ are you sure is it the correct name of the pkg?? |
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| 16:11.06 | maikol | im having trouble installing debian on my laptop. it boots to the installer off the cd, but when it tries to detect the cd drive from within the installer, it fails |
| 16:11.36 | SlayerXP | if there a way of manually kicking off the whole "configure your system after first login" procedure |
| 16:11.38 | SlayerXP | ? |
| 16:11.40 | SlayerXP | is there, I mean |
| 16:12.02 | roxy_ | ofer0, MindCr : http://rafb.net/paste/results/XAys7X64.html |
| 16:12.26 | ofer0 | Maybe there's a typo somewhere |
| 16:12.37 | somazero | Is the module-assistant method the preferred way to install nvidia support? |
| 16:12.47 | somazero | For etch, that is |
| 16:12.47 | ofer0 | !nvidia |
| 16:12.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 16:13.17 | somazero | tyvm |
| 16:13.36 | ofer0 | !beer somazero |
| 16:14.23 | roxy_ | MindCr, ofer0: it is from this morning, do you think the package maintener mistake libuim1 for libuim3 |
| 16:14.35 | cydork | hey my bot is online weeeeee |
| 16:15.23 | MindCr | i dont know. i just install uim and is all correct in etch |
| 16:15.56 | ofer0 | roxy_, maybe. email the maintaner, try to install libuim1 and change the dependencies of those packages to libuim1. |
| 16:15.58 | ofer0 | maybe it will work. |
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| 16:16.35 | MindCr | in etch islibuim0 |
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| 16:18.12 | BreaKIce | I do not remember a name of the little "machine" that run Windows-CE few years ago; the one smaller than laptop, larger than Palm. I am just interested if it's possible to install linux on such machines, are they still available, and what is their name ? |
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| 16:18.58 | roxy_ | ofer0: do you know when debian.org is updated? On the site the uim depends on libuim1 not 3. |
| 16:19.17 | ofer0 | roxy_, no, I have no idea |
| 16:19.31 | deconvolution | hello, if I install linux-tree pacakge, has the kernel-source has been patched by kernel-package or I need to manually patch it? |
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| 16:24.31 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:24.32 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 16:25.54 | gre123 | if i sucessfukky isntall nvdia drivers nv will be option in startx right? |
| 16:26.05 | gre123 | sucesfully* |
| 16:26.21 | cusco | nv should be in xorg.conf then (if you're using xorg) |
| 16:26.31 | gre123 | xfree86 |
| 16:26.32 | onweald_ti1 | Any way to automatically install en_us for the command "apt-get install locales" ? |
| 16:26.51 | gre123 | i cant figure out how to switch to xorg |
| 16:26.54 | cusco | dunno much about xfree but can always dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree |
| 16:26.59 | ofer0 | !xorg |
| 16:26.59 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 16:27.12 | cusco | !get xorg |
| 16:27.12 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 16:27.27 | cusco | !tell gre123 about xorg sarge |
| 16:27.39 | cydork | gre123: there is no need as such for xorg in sarge |
| 16:27.48 | cydork | cusco: i guess he can read :) |
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| 16:28.23 | ofer0 | That's right, and it is the exact reason why you have backports. |
| 16:28.33 | vook | Well, I have some battery issues not specific to Linux or Ubuntu. Basically the memory effect on my l-ion battery is so bad, that essentially the last full charge was 0 mAh. However, the battery still gives a good hour of time. I'll paste some proc stuff in #flood. I'm looking for a way to correct this myself, anyone? |
| 16:28.41 | vook | or debian, oops |
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| 16:29.46 | vook | busted |
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| 16:31.46 | gre123 | ok |
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| 16:32.02 | gre123 | well how come it wont let me change my resolution? |
| 16:32.20 | gre123 | i installed nvidia drivers |
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| 16:33.23 | gre123 | ? |
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| 16:35.12 | gre123 | abyone? |
| 16:35.24 | ofer0 | gre123, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:35.24 | gre123 | anyone* |
| 16:35.31 | ofer0 | and choose the right resolutions when it asks you. |
| 16:35.43 | gre123 | ive done that |
| 16:35.56 | gre123 | cept dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:36.13 | gre123 | it stays at 640x480 |
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| 16:36.22 | gre123 | no matter what i choose |
| 16:36.49 | dli | gre123: what video card? |
| 16:37.03 | gre123 | geforce fx 5200 |
| 16:37.24 | dli | gre123: are you using xfree86 in stable? |
| 16:37.32 | gre123 | yes |
| 16:38.39 | dli | gre123: sorry, I have no experience with that. I know with xorg, you need to follow nvidia howto first |
| 16:38.50 | stew | gre123: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 16:39.23 | gre123 | ? |
| 16:39.25 | Douglas | how do you install lex |
| 16:39.26 | Douglas | ? |
| 16:39.44 | dli | !tell gre123 about xmd5 |
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| 16:41.53 | gre123 | it says there identical |
| 16:42.13 | dli | !tell gre123 about nvidia |
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| 16:42.28 | roxy_ | I am trying to fill a bug report, I get a message: Your version of uim-common (1:1.2.1-2) is newer than that in Debian! How is it possible ? |
| 16:42.47 | Alexismoy | how to know if the debian setup is setup as 32bit or 64bit ? |
| 16:43.26 | Douglas | how do you install lex |
| 16:43.27 | Douglas | ? |
| 16:44.02 | plugwash | roxy_ its possible i guess that your mirror got an update before the bugtracker did or something |
| 16:44.14 | Alexismoy | with a small cd, linux26, and after on the web |
| 16:44.14 | plugwash | or you are using an unofficial package from somewhere |
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| 16:45.10 | roxy_ | is there a command to find out from which site a pakcage has been downloaded ? |
| 16:45.11 | stew | Alexismoy: run dpkg-architecture |
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| 16:45.41 | stew | Alexismoy: the first line will be either i386 or amd64 |
| 16:46.09 | Alexismoy | ok thx, I would like to know which driver to download (for my wireless integrated) |
| 16:46.19 | stew | Alexismoy: which wireless chipset? |
| 16:47.06 | stew | Alexismoy: what does "uname -r" say? if you are talking about a kernel driver it may matter more what arch the kernel is, not what arch the userland is |
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| 16:47.59 | Alexismoy | ARCH=i386 |
| 16:47.59 | Alexismoy | I need to tell him at the installation for an 32b or 64b ? |
| 16:48.21 | Alexismoy | I've got a 2.6.16-2-k7 kernel |
| 16:48.27 | Alexismoy | my chipset is a broadcom |
| 16:48.39 | stew | Alexismoy: that's 32 bit then |
| 16:48.46 | Alexismoy | oh |
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| 16:49.01 | Alexismoy | Which kernel support X64? |
| 16:49.20 | stew | Alexismoy: -k8 |
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| 16:50.06 | dendrite | lindenle: roxy_ apt-cache policy <package> |
| 16:50.29 | dendrite | Feh. |
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| 16:51.56 | Alexismoy | (that's strange, I can't ndiswrapper my drivers on the cd...) |
| 16:52.04 | soccos | I use sarge most of the time, how do I install the odd package from a different distribution (I want mozilla-firefox from 'test')? |
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| 16:52.31 | stew | soccos: don't. use a backport instead; /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 16:53.58 | simmerz|Work | i've set up debian within vmware server, and i can ssh locally, but i can't ssh into it from another machine. is there something i have to set? |
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| 16:55.16 | ^Michael | simmerz|Work: Use the VMWare virtual ip address to the network ^ |
| 16:56.06 | cydork | simmerz|Work: are you sure that you havn't set host only networking on that? |
| 16:56.07 | simmerz|Work | ^Michael: virtual ip? |
| 16:56.22 | simmerz|Work | cydork: its a default debian sarge setup |
| 16:56.22 | ofer0 | soccos, If I understand you right - use backports |
| 16:56.28 | ^Michael | VMWare creates alternate 'virtual' network connections :) |
| 16:56.38 | ^Michael | with alternate ip addresses |
| 16:56.41 | simmerz|Work | ^Michael: pinging it works fine |
| 16:56.55 | soccos | stew: thx, reading... |
| 16:57.26 | simmerz|Work | cydork: anything particular i need to change? |
| 16:58.27 | cydork | simmerz|Work: if you can ping the machine from outside machine other than host, then ssh should work too |
| 16:58.52 | simmerz|Work | cydork: I can't ssh in from the host either, but I can ping it. |
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| 16:59.11 | cydork | simmerz|Work: are you sure sshd is working ? |
| 16:59.23 | simmerz|Work | cydork: yes. I can ssh locally |
| 17:00.17 | simmerz|Work | pinging from a different machine works too. but i can't ssh from anywhere except locally |
| 17:00.28 | simmerz|Work | no iptables set up either yet |
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| 17:01.15 | gre123 | the nvdia driver is definetly installed |
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| 17:02.01 | gre123 | all i want is to change the resolution |
| 17:02.28 | ofer0 | gre123, I already told you what to do. |
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| 17:03.46 | simmerz|Work | found the problem. resolv.conf is empty. why does it empty itself on startup? even though I have a fixed IP? |
| 17:03.50 | iturk | hi there i am using ubunto and in firefox i am trying to see a javascript movie : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/3681938.stm. it says me to turn on JavaScript in the options but it doesnt work !! What can it be the problem ?? |
| 17:03.51 | gre123 | it didnt work |
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| 17:04.16 | gre123 | to i need to set a bus identifier? |
| 17:04.32 | gre123 | do* |
| 17:04.50 | stew | iturk: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 17:05.43 | simmerz|Work | ok, that hasn't solved the problem. but at least the vm can access the net now |
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| 17:06.21 | pickcoder | simmerz|Work: look at ListenAddress in sshd_config |
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| 17:06.31 | simmerz|Work | pickcoder: commented out |
| 17:06.39 | ofer0 | gre123, have you restarted X ? |
| 17:06.55 | fluxdude | is there a limit on the number of dns requests a bind server can service simultaneously? |
| 17:06.56 | ofer0 | gre123, CTRL+ALT+Backspace |
| 17:07.08 | cydork | simmerz|Work: i think you need bridge enabled vm, i dont remember all the options atm |
| 17:07.33 | simmerz|Work | cydork: I have a bridge enabled in the vm. and it has a working IP. |
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| 17:08.49 | gre123 | all that does is log me out and put me at gdm |
| 17:09.09 | gre123 | ive restarded the computer |
| 17:09.20 | pickcoder | simmerz|Work does netstat show *:ssh or *:ssh2 |
| 17:09.37 | Douglas | pickcoder how do you install lex |
| 17:10.23 | pickcoder | Douglas: what do you mean |
| 17:10.45 | Douglas | checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 3246: lex: command not found |
| 17:10.45 | Douglas | configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up |
| 17:10.58 | Douglas | its on etch |
| 17:11.21 | stew | Douglas: install the flex package |
| 17:11.25 | pickcoder | Douglas: I think it's part of flex |
| 17:11.27 | stew | Douglas: what are you trying to compile? |
| 17:11.27 | gre123 | ugh |
| 17:11.31 | Douglas | PHP |
| 17:11.32 | Douglas | thank you |
| 17:11.34 | pickcoder | stew: beat me to it |
| 17:11.55 | stew | Douglas: apt-get build-dep php5, but why are you compiling it? |
| 17:12.10 | Douglas | i am illiterate and wanna learn how to do it on my own. |
| 17:12.16 | ofer0 | gre123, and you still can't change the resolution? have you chosen a different resolution when it asked you? |
| 17:12.24 | ofer0 | gre123, while dpkg-reconfiguring.. |
| 17:12.40 | stew | Douglas: apt-get build-dep php5 ; apt-get -b source php5 ; <- this will build it, but it wont affect your literacy |
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| 17:12.59 | Douglas | i cant compile much |
| 17:13.02 | Douglas | and i would like to learn |
| 17:13.05 | Douglas | thank you very much though! |
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| 17:14.11 | Douglas | hm |
| 17:14.19 | Douglas | apt-get -b source php5 |
| 17:14.21 | pickcoder | Douglas: most source packages on Linux use autoconf and make |
| 17:14.23 | Douglas | apt-get -b source apache2 ??? |
| 17:14.54 | pickcoder | Douglas: review the myriad of documentation sites regarding them |
| 17:15.35 | stew | Douglas: i didn't undetstand your question, you'll have to be more specific |
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| 17:15.48 | Douglas | which wourks better |
| 17:15.51 | Douglas | apt-get install apache? |
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| 17:16.12 | stew | Douglas: they should all perfectly |
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| 17:16.33 | kakarot | i've a question about xorg.conf and dvi. well i have a ndvidia card with vga and dvi. with the same xorg.conf, when i connect a vga monitor, i get 1920x1200, and when i connect dvi, i get 1280x1024. anybody knows what's happen? |
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| 17:16.59 | stew | kakarot: what is the native resolution of the monitor? |
| 17:17.12 | kakarot | stew 1920x1200 |
| 17:17.35 | stew | kakarot: which driver are you using? nv or nvidia? |
| 17:17.40 | kakarot | nvidia |
| 17:17.55 | stew | kakarot: have you tried with nv? |
| 17:17.59 | ftp3 | hello, i am trying to get courier-imap to work with qmail on debian.. i used apt-get install for the debian packages and they seem to be there and running, but it will not auth when i telnet to port 143 (although pop3 works fine)... #courier is dead and I thought someone here may have a tip :-) |
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| 17:18.11 | timthelion | hi |
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| 17:18.15 | kakarot | stew no, i'll try it |
| 17:18.27 | ofer0 | timthelion, what the hell is your problem? |
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| 17:19.04 | googlah | cheers mates :-))) |
| 17:19.36 | djw | ftp3: sounds like you've configured the pop3 server but not the imap server, courier-pop and courier-imap appear to be separate packages |
| 17:19.43 | timthelion | is it posible to set an fb grafix card(neomagic) to 1440x900 |
| 17:20.08 | timthelion | ofer0: was something happening? I got disconnected for a bit |
| 17:20.14 | pickcoder | timthelion: does your monitor support it? |
| 17:20.20 | timthelion | yes |
| 17:20.28 | pickcoder | timthelion: does your card suppor tit? |
| 17:20.39 | timthelion | I don't know |
| 17:20.57 | timthelion | how would I find out? |
| 17:21.06 | pickcoder | timthelion: spec sheet? |
| 17:21.15 | pickcoder | timthelion: back of the box? |
| 17:21.18 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:21.30 | timthelion | xrandr -q does not report the same thing as I gave it with xorg.conf |
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| 17:21.43 | timthelion | ebay machein, no box |
| 17:22.03 | pickcoder | timthelion: there's always the manuf web site and google |
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| 17:23.05 | stew | ftp3: try putting "DEBUG_LOGIN=1" into /etc/courier/pop3d and restarting pop, then watch /var/log/auth.log for more info |
| 17:23.26 | ftp3 | stew, thanks |
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| 17:25.46 | kakarot | has anybody a dvi monitor with 1920x1200 resolution ? |
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| 17:27.59 | abrotman | !tell gre1 about root |
| 17:28.12 | abrotman | nice .. using gaim to irc as root |
| 17:28.28 | Alexismoy | what sources.list I need to install kernel-sources ? |
| 17:28.41 | Douglas | oaky |
| 17:28.42 | pickcoder | abrotman: I forget someones myself.. <g> |
| 17:28.47 | Douglas | whats the easiest way to install apacheo n debian |
| 17:28.49 | Douglas | with apt-get |
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| 17:29.02 | stew | Douglas: apt-get install apache |
| 17:29.07 | Douglas | didnt work righrt |
| 17:29.09 | Douglas | didnt work right |
| 17:29.09 | stew | Douglas: (or apache2) |
| 17:29.17 | stew | Douglas: why not? |
| 17:29.19 | JordiGH | Any clue what does it mean when Lynx says "accept invalid cookie"? Wtf is an invalid cookie? |
| 17:29.32 | Alexismoy | (forget my question... ;) |
| 17:29.43 | pickcoder | JordiGH: could be an invalid date format |
| 17:29.48 | pickcoder | JordiGH: who knows |
| 17:29.59 | JordiGH | pickcoder: :-/ |
| 17:30.14 | JordiGH | pickcoder: How can I see cookies in Lynx? |
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| 17:30.39 | ofer0 | JordiGH, -cookie_save_file=FILENAME |
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| 17:31.24 | JordiGH | ofer0: Eh? From the command line? But I need to browse around for a moment before I get to the place where the cookie lives... :-/ |
| 17:31.36 | ofer0 | JordiGH, so reject cookies until then. |
| 17:31.50 | ofer0 | or search though the cookies and find that website. |
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| 17:32.10 | Douglas | pickcoder |
| 17:32.11 | Douglas | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 17:32.11 | Douglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.15 | Douglas | is that alll taht should be installed? |
| 17:32.48 | pickcoder | Douglas: for apache2 by itself, sure. |
| 17:32.57 | Douglas | after that |
| 17:33.03 | Douglas | wheres config n where thing to start it |
| 17:33.03 | stew | Douglas: assuming you already have the dependencies installed like apache2-common and apache2-utils |
| 17:33.24 | stew | Douglas: /etc/apache2 is the config, "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" to start it |
| 17:33.44 | stew | Douglas: the answer to your next question is going to be to install apache2-common with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:33.44 | Douglas | wtf? |
| 17:33.44 | Douglas | apocalypse:~# cd /etc/apache2 |
| 17:33.44 | Douglas | -bash: cd: /etc/apache2: No such file or directory |
| 17:33.51 | ofer0 | Douglas, is it already installed? |
| 17:34.00 | Douglas | apache? no |
| 17:34.04 | stew | !win me |
| 17:34.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:34.11 | ofer0 | !win me |
| 17:34.17 | stew | no |
| 17:34.25 | ofer0 | Douglas, so you shouldn't have /etc/apache2. |
| 17:34.31 | ofer0 | !win me |
| 17:34.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, ofer0! You have won the US presidency! |
| 17:34.31 | stew | yes he should |
| 17:34.32 | stew | no |
| 17:34.45 | stew | ofer0: he has apache2-common installed but no /etc/apache2 that means its a confmiss |
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| 17:34.58 | JordiGH | ofer0: Yeah, not a pretty solution. :-/ I'm trying right now to X-forward Mozilla instead and see if it doesn't complain about cookies, but X-forwarding between different countries is sloooow. |
| 17:35.20 | Douglas | fixed |
| 17:35.31 | stew | Douglas: what is fixed? |
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| 17:35.39 | Douglas | that issue wit the no /etc/apache2 |
| 17:35.41 | stew | Douglas: how did you fix it? with the confmiss dpkg option? |
| 17:35.47 | Douglas | nope |
| 17:35.51 | ofer0 | stew, you, you're right. apache2-common: /etc/apache2 |
| 17:35.51 | stew | Douglas: then it isn't fixed |
| 17:35.53 | Douglas | i just apt-get removed everything and reinstalled |
| 17:36.01 | stew | Douglas: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:36.04 | ofer0 | stew, but I didn't know that he has apache2-common installed. |
| 17:36.15 | Douglas | i dont get it rotflmao |
| 17:36.20 | abrotman | cause you weren't paying attention! |
| 17:36.29 | Douglas | OKAY your right! |
| 17:36.37 | Douglas | dpkg --force-confmiss |
| 17:36.38 | abrotman | you're |
| 17:36.41 | Douglas | i have no clue how to use dpkg :) |
| 17:36.53 | stew | ofer0: he ran apt-get install apache2 and it only wanted to install the apache2 package not apache2-common, which means he must have had it installed already |
| 17:37.02 | stew | dpkg: tell Douglas about confmiss |
| 17:37.20 | ofer0 | stew, yeah |
| 17:37.23 | Douglas | i saw that stew |
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| 17:37.25 | Douglas | i just dont know hwo to use it |
| 17:37.26 | Douglas | ;/ |
| 17:37.27 | stew | dpkg: you need to reinstall apache2-common with the confmiss option that the dpkg bot just /msged you about |
| 17:37.32 | Douglas | oh |
| 17:37.37 | Douglas | well.. do i use dpkg for that? |
| 17:37.45 | Douglas | sp? |
| 17:38.31 | xopher | What do you guys recommend for data recovery? |
| 17:38.44 | Trewas | xopher: backups |
| 17:38.47 | Bushmills | xopher: restoring from backup |
| 17:38.47 | Douglas | stew i dont get it :(( |
| 17:38.48 | Alexismoy | ^^ |
| 17:38.53 | ofer0 | Trewas, heh |
| 17:39.27 | Douglas | i hate how nobody gives you syntax, however they help you. |
| 17:40.04 | ofer0 | Douglas, it called spoon-feeding |
| 17:40.10 | Douglas | dpkg -i thing.deb --force-confmiss |
| 17:40.10 | Douglas | ? |
| 17:40.16 | Douglas | replace thing.deb |
| 17:40.42 | abrotman | read what the bot told you |
| 17:40.43 | pickcoder | Douglas: man dpkg |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 17:40.44 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 17:41.16 | stew | Douglas: ^^ that tells you exactly what you need to type, but substitude apache2-common for <packagename> |
| 17:41.21 | stew | substitute* |
| 17:41.26 | Douglas | ahaha |
| 17:41.45 | kakarot | has anybody an idea about why mi graphic card shows 1920x1200 when i connect a vga monitor and shows 1280x1024 when i connect a dvi monitor ? |
| 17:41.47 | stew | 3rd times a charm i guess |
| 17:41.54 | Douglas | stew i'm 11 |
| 17:42.02 | Douglas | i'm sorry i'm not as competant as you would want. |
| 17:42.21 | Douglas | it worked, thank you! |
| 17:42.30 | stoned | wow |
| 17:42.34 | JordiGH | kakarot: It may have something to do with the refresh rate.s |
| 17:42.39 | stoned | I wish I had linux when I was that old |
| 17:42.48 | cydork | 11??? |
| 17:42.52 | stoned | yeah |
| 17:42.57 | stoned | best age to learn, hell even earlier |
| 17:43.24 | kakarot | JordiGH, it's the same monitor |
| 17:43.26 | signuts | I have to aplaud debian, it's the only distro I could get working on my intel macbook |
| 17:43.37 | JordiGH | !beer debian |
| 17:43.39 | signuts | and the best part is, it just worked =P |
| 17:44.23 | signuts | so not only do I have delicious mac os x, I can boot linux for the geek factor |
| 17:45.24 | stoned | I have to be at work in 1/2 hour |
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| 17:46.07 | JordiGH | Woohoo! I opened up the article that I wanted in an X-forwarded xpdf. |
| 17:46.19 | JordiGH | Now, how can I save to disc from xpdf? |
| 17:46.39 | signuts | JordiGH, umm.. scp the file ;) |
| 17:46.44 | signuts | JordiGH, the super l33t use netcat |
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| 17:47.56 | JordiGH | signuts: No, I meant, I'm viewing the file from xpdf that Mozilla opened up by default when I clicked on a link... |
| 17:48.05 | JordiGH | Never mind. I ended up digging for the pdf file from Mozilla's cache. |
| 17:48.25 | JordiGH | I think I deserve a geek cookie. |
| 17:48.26 | JordiGH | !prize me |
| 17:48.34 | JordiGH | Fine, beer will do. |
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| 17:49.24 | cydork | JordiGH: you could have right clicked on it too, it has a save as option :) |
| 17:49.53 | JordiGH | cydork: No. Right-clicking on it was some sort of CGI script that bounced me around a couple of times before it took me to a page where the pdf was embedded. |
| 17:49.58 | Douglas | what the hell |
| 17:50.06 | cydork | JordiGH: i am talin about xpdf |
| 17:50.06 | Douglas | apache is somehow running w/o my permission under user daemon? |
| 17:50.14 | cydork | s/talin/talking |
| 17:50.16 | JordiGH | cydork: Ah, didn't know that. :-) |
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| 17:51.11 | Douglas | Anyone know what could do that |
| 17:51.47 | eldowan | Douglas: did you just install apache? |
| 17:51.53 | Douglas | yes |
| 17:51.57 | eldowan | with apt-get? |
| 17:52.00 | Douglas | yup. |
| 17:52.09 | JordiGH | Oops, sorry. Wrong window. |
| 17:52.12 | eldowan | it was started after install by dpkg if I remeber correctly |
| 17:52.21 | Douglas | okay |
| 17:52.23 | Douglas | and how to kill it? |
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| 17:52.40 | eldowan | Douglas: /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 17:52.41 | cydork | Douglas: invoke-rc.d apache2 stop |
| 17:52.43 | eldowan | or apache2 |
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| 17:53.09 | Douglas | apocalypse:/bin# invoke-rc.d apache2 stop |
| 17:53.09 | Douglas | Stopping apache 2.0 web server... ... no pidfile found! not running?. |
| 17:53.31 | Douglas | same with both? |
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| 17:53.52 | eldowan | what is the pid of the running apache? |
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| 17:54.18 | pickcoder | apache2 doesn't start initially, if I remember correctly. You have to enable the default site before it will start. |
| 17:54.20 | Douglas | ive tried kill -9 on them all didnt help it |
| 17:54.37 | pickcoder | Douglas: where are you seeing apache running? |
| 17:55.25 | Douglas | daemon 23886 0.0 0.3 3904 1232 ? S 06:45 0:00 /usr/local/apac |
| 17:55.28 | Douglas | several of those |
| 17:55.38 | pickcoder | that's not apache |
| 17:55.48 | eldowan | nope |
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| 17:56.06 | pickcoder | I did, though, have a gooy install once that put apache2 && apache on my machine |
| 17:56.06 | Douglas | oh |
| 17:56.08 | Douglas | hm |
| 17:56.19 | Douglas | root 30324 0.0 1.4 12872 5764 ? Ssl Aug28 0:02 asterisk |
| 17:56.19 | Douglas | s |
| 17:56.21 | Douglas | er |
| 17:56.21 | pickcoder | that was fun cleaning up |
| 17:56.22 | Douglas | wrong gthing |
| 17:56.27 | Douglas | daemon 23896 0.0 0.3 3904 1232 ? S 06:46 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start |
| 17:56.28 | Douglas | its not? |
| 17:56.37 | myren | how can i compare files in two directory trees? |
| 17:56.46 | eldowan | Douglas: you only listes /usr/local/apac earlier |
| 17:56.54 | Douglas | i know sorry |
| 17:56.55 | myren | ....get a list of changes |
| 17:57.03 | abrotman | cmp |
| 17:57.09 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:57.16 | Douglas | hm |
| 17:57.18 | abrotman | i think that will just show changed files .. not the actual changes |
| 17:57.18 | eldowan | Douglas: you could *try* stopping httpd |
| 17:57.21 | Douglas | it doesnt even exist |
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| 17:57.43 | JordiGH | I wonder if suggesting "Install Debian" when someone has a problem with other operating systems is ever a good recommendation... |
| 17:57.45 | myren | man cmp says compare two files byte by byte |
| 17:57.48 | JordiGH | Well, it *is* a good recommendation, but I wonder if it's polite. |
| 17:57.51 | abrotman | myren: diff ? |
| 17:58.05 | cydork | JordiGH: who cares? it's good |
| 17:58.08 | cydork | :) |
| 17:58.44 | pickcoder | JordiGH: that depends on the "problem" with the other O/S |
| 17:58.46 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:58.46 | eldowan | polite is over rated... |
| 17:58.48 | Douglas | crap i screwed up the config |
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| 17:59.42 | JordiGH | pickcoder: They want to use Octaviz, which doesn't have Windows binaries. I said something snappy like "there are Debian binaries. Install Debian." And they said something like "but I want presentations," so I said 'OO.o Impress"... etc. |
| 17:59.56 | JordiGH | I probably came off as an ass. |
| 18:00.15 | eldowan | but a smart ass |
| 18:01.46 | Pavel_K | myren ..> try mc |
| 18:01.49 | pickcoder | I don't get some people. They assume/expect every OSS project to have Win32 binaries for their leisure |
| 18:02.10 | eldowan | thats because windows is *the* standard |
| 18:03.20 | pickcoder | eldowan: anything that is based on sockets is a major PITA to port, even though unix sockets are *the* standard |
| 18:03.21 | cydork | it's standard for what? unsecure os? unstable os? |
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| 18:04.47 | pickcoder | live long... use Linux |
| 18:04.51 | eldowan | Just playing devil's advocate |
| 18:04.52 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 18:05.15 | eldowan | pickcoder: I'm trying hard to get away from windows completely. |
| 18:05.41 | pickcoder | eldowan: in a corporate environment that is impossible |
| 18:05.41 | pickcoder | eldowan: I've tried |
| 18:05.41 | pickcoder | :/ |
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| 18:06.04 | pickcoder | though I did manage to put OO.o on a manager's personal PC |
| 18:06.08 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:06.19 | eldowan | pickcoder: Yes. I'm not even going to try that battle here. |
| 18:06.27 | eldowan | nice on the OO.o "D |
| 18:06.52 | JordiGH | Three months ago, I uninstalled the last bit of non-free software from my personal computer. |
| 18:07.03 | pickcoder | lol |
| 18:07.30 | JordiGH | Save the whales! Free Mumia! Don't buy from ATI! ¡Viva la revolución! |
| 18:07.51 | pickcoder | ATI? |
| 18:08.43 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Video card manufacturer. Won't liberate their drivers. |
| 18:08.53 | JordiGH | Also, http://www.devlife.org/wallpapers/tux-guevara-1280x1024.png |
| 18:08.55 | eldowan | JordiGH: nvidia is better? |
| 18:08.57 | pickcoder | I know who they are |
| 18:09.12 | pickcoder | I have to give them props, even though they won't release drivers. |
| 18:09.19 | Douglas | thanks guys |
| 18:09.20 | Douglas | bye |
| 18:09.21 | JordiGH | eldowan: No, nvidia doesn't liberate their drivers either. Hence why nvidia-glx is in the non-free section of Debian. |
| 18:09.36 | pickcoder | they've come a long way against some rather stiff competition |
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| 18:09.52 | eldowan | pickcoder: Absolutely. they have done a fine job. |
| 18:10.02 | pickcoder | I used to be a 3dfx/nv fan. |
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| 18:10.18 | pickcoder | Now, I pick the card based on the price. |
| 18:10.29 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I don't understand what's the big deal about non-free drivers. It's not as if you're buying drivers from them, or are they afraid that their hardware will get reverse-engineered if they freed drivers? |
| 18:10.36 | pickcoder | and overclocking capabilities |
| 18:10.55 | pickcoder | JordiGH: yes, the drivers expose a lot |
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| 18:11.16 | stew | JordiGH: in some cases they licensed technology from some third party and are contractually bound to not open up the hardware |
| 18:11.20 | JordiGH | pickcoder: So everyone would be making Nvidia cards if Nvidia made free drivers? |
| 18:11.25 | eldowan | JordiGH: I believe it is also to do with IP of other companies that ATI / nvidia use in their cards. |
| 18:11.37 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I'm sure there are some card features that no one will ever support without the driver team's help. |
| 18:11.58 | eldowan | JordiGH: They would be in a breach of contract if they opened up, subject to extremely high fines etc. |
| 18:12.00 | pickcoder | JordiGH: that's business survival in a cut-throat industry |
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| 18:12.31 | JordiGH | eldowan: Which is in their own damn fault for getting into those contracts in the first place. Intel has free video card drivers. |
| 18:12.54 | pickcoder | JordiGH: you don't see Intel's 3D chipsets recommended on the latest games do you? |
| 18:12.56 | Iainuki | Hi. I'm new here. I'm having a strange problem with dmraid. I have two pairs of hard drives connected to a Promise raid controller. It recognizes one pair, but not the other. |
| 18:13.04 | eldowan | JordiGH: But intel has been around for *much* longer. Even today intel has the majority of video card sales. |
| 18:13.27 | eldowan | JordiGH: They have the money to accomidate the *good* enough crowde. |
| 18:13.42 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Don't know. Only games I play are Wesnoth, Tux Racer, Xblast, and, sometimes, Cube. |
| 18:13.43 | Iainuki | (There's lot more detail than that, but that's the basic overview.) |
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| 18:14.53 | piper69 | how can i get emule pkg...please |
| 18:15.20 | JordiGH | And Octaviz is pretty much the only reason I want a good graphics card. |
| 18:15.23 | pickcoder | OpenGL has helped standardize a lot of the sharder/lighting features, but there are some features that only proprietary drivers expose |
| 18:15.41 | eldowan | is there even an emule package? |
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| 18:15.54 | waiting | hmm speaking of which |
| 18:15.55 | pickcoder | lunch time... |
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| 18:16.08 | waiting | I have a game here that claims to "require directx 9.0c" |
| 18:16.09 | eldowan | pickcoder: Not to mention many devs only developing on DirectX |
| 18:16.23 | pickcoder-food | eldowan: yeah |
| 18:16.34 | war95 | Iainuki: I wouldnt use dmraid |
| 18:16.36 | war95 | Iainuki: use SW raid |
| 18:16.41 | war95 | Iainuki: much more reliable/stable |
| 18:16.58 | JordiGH | What does Cube use? OpenGL, I imagine? |
| 18:17.11 | Luke-Jr | Does Debian have a devkit of some sort? |
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| 18:17.25 | eldowan | JordiGH: If it is 3d, I would imagine so. |
| 18:17.33 | JordiGH | Luke-Jr: I like kdevelop, but the KDE haters will argue with me. :-) |
| 18:17.47 | Luke-Jr | JordiGH: not an IDE, a devkit |
| 18:17.57 | Luke-Jr | headers and library [stubs] |
| 18:17.59 | JordiGH | Luke-Jr: You mean, gcc, gdb and emacs? |
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| 18:18.13 | Luke-Jr | No binary applications at all |
| 18:18.30 | Luke-Jr | Just the stuff needed to target Debian for cross-compiling |
| 18:18.37 | Luke-Jr | headers/libs |
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| 18:19.47 | Luke-Jr | so more or less, everything I'd need to compile on Debian minus GCC and the programs |
| 18:20.06 | Luke-Jr | perhaps I should just take a regular installed image and rm the bin dirs |
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| 18:20.15 | JordiGH | ? |
| 18:20.22 | JordiGH | You'd be wiping out pretty much everything. |
| 18:20.27 | JordiGH | The sources aren't there by default. |
| 18:20.31 | grendal_prime | does anyone use php to pull data from mssql db's? Im getting No help in #php and...this has to be possible. |
| 18:20.48 | grendal_prime | i mean..there are apps that do this right? |
| 18:21.03 | abrotman | it is possible .. and easy |
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| 18:21.06 | eldowan | grendal_prime: have you checked php.net/mssql? |
| 18:21.07 | Luke-Jr | JordiGH: don't need sources, just headers and libs |
| 18:21.17 | eldowan | grendal_prime: it should be trivial |
| 18:21.31 | JordiGH | Does anyone else understand what is it that Luke-Jr wants to do? |
| 18:21.36 | abrotman | grendal_prime: php4-sybase .. enjoy |
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| 18:21.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: Luke-Jr wants the -dev packages i think |
| 18:22.00 | grendal_prime | ya eldowan im able to connect to it...and get data from one field..but as soon as i try getting more than one fields worth of info things get hella wonky |
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| 18:22.15 | abrotman | grendal_prime: paste the code somewhere (sanitize hostname/password) |
| 18:22.21 | grendal_prime | k |
| 18:22.26 | JordiGH | abrotman: But not every Debian package has a -dev package... |
| 18:22.26 | eldowan | grendal_prime: If you get data from one field, you are working. it is probably a sql query problem. |
| 18:22.33 | eldowan | pastebin your code. |
| 18:22.34 | abrotman | JordiGH: no .. but they have source packages |
| 18:22.45 | grendal_prime | ok its huge ass though |
| 18:23.00 | JordiGH | (using "ass" as an intensifier)++ |
| 18:23.01 | grendal_prime | last time i pasted like this in even patbin, i got bitched at. |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | dude .. make a sample |
| 18:23.28 | grendal_prime | got it |
| 18:23.31 | abrotman | make a 20 line php script that exhibits the same problem |
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| 18:23.50 | eldowan | grendal_prime: Yes, do as abrotman said. Much simpler to debug. |
| 18:24.02 | Luke-Jr | I just want libraries and headers for the basic system stuff =p |
| 18:24.32 | Luke-Jr | as far as libraries, all I care for are glibc, libstdc++, and Qt* |
| 18:24.45 | Luke-Jr | dependencies can be ignored for the libs |
| 18:24.52 | JordiGH | By the way, speaking of the big K, any opinions on kdbg? |
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| 18:26.44 | JordiGH | I guess if you have nothing good to say... |
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| 18:27.41 | JordiGH | Ok, graphical debuggers? Is ddd still it? |
| 18:27.59 | abrotman | Luke-Jr: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 18:31.20 | grendal_prime | abrotman, what pastbin is prefered? |
| 18:31.27 | abrotman | pastebin.ca |
| 18:31.35 | grendal_prime | thanks |
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| 18:32.27 | eldowan | Do the Dew! |
| 18:32.32 | Persilon | Hi |
| 18:32.48 | Persilon | I'm trying to setup a hardware raid up, following http://www.epimetrics.com/topics/one-page?page_id=421&topic=Bit-head%20Stuff&page_topic_id=120 |
| 18:32.54 | jayeola | is there a channel for the jed editor? does not appear to be one |
| 18:32.56 | Shadowcat | just great |
| 18:33.00 | grendal_prime | abrotman, |
| 18:33.02 | grendal_prime | http://pastebin.ca/157671 |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | grendal_prime: |
| 18:33.04 | Shadowcat | grub is BROKEN in unstable |
| 18:33.17 | grendal_prime | bummer |
| 18:33.24 | abrotman | Persilon: are you trying to do hardware or software raid ? |
| 18:33.30 | JordiGH | Shadowcat: Didn't you say the exact same thing yesterday? |
| 18:33.32 | Persilon | abrotman: hardware |
| 18:33.35 | JordiGH | !seen shadowcat |
| 18:33.35 | dpkg | shadowcat is currently on #debian (23m 34s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 31s, last said: 'grub is BROKEN in unstable'. |
| 18:33.40 | pickcoder-food | Shadowcat: weren't you complain...... LOL JordiGH |
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| 18:33.48 | war95 | Persilon: easiest way is to install debian and then setup sw raid1 after you install |
| 18:33.52 | grendal_prime | now abrotman that works...but brings back werid werird results, almost like the datatype is something strange. |
| 18:34.11 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:34.13 | abrotman | grendal_prime: what's the error ? |
| 18:34.15 | Persilon | now I'm trying to execute mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 but I get mdadm: hot add failed for /dev/sda1: Invalid argument |
| 18:34.18 | eldowan | grendal_prime: try print_r ($result); |
| 18:34.23 | Nwallins | Hi, I just installed php-cgi via dpkg (Etch), and I think it's broken. Here is my error.log from lighttpd: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZpgUF022.html |
| 18:34.36 | pickcoder-food | Persilon: put the md device first and then --add <device> |
| 18:34.41 | grendal_prime | no error. just werid astuff |
| 18:34.45 | grendal_prime | Fba under date |
| 18:34.54 | abrotman | grendal_prime: paste the HTML results |
| 18:34.58 | Persilon | pickcoder-food: same error |
| 18:35.11 | war95 | Persilon: there's a lot of special things you need to do |
| 18:35.20 | pickcoder-food | actually.. I think you need to specify --maintain... My SoftRaid skills are still dull |
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| 18:35.35 | Persilon | war95: I was following that how-to, and I got stucked at that point |
| 18:35.36 | war95 | Persilon: you need to basically make the raid1 (md0/1/etc) and then add /dev/sdb2 to it |
| 18:35.54 | war95 | Persilon: boot off of the /dev/md0 (degraded, with only /dev/sdb) |
| 18:35.58 | war95 | then add the /dev/sda |
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| 18:36.20 | Persilon | war95: :O the how-to didn't say I had to reboot |
| 18:36.43 | war95 | Persilon: well that howto is wrong then heh |
| 18:36.53 | Persilon | :P I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:36.54 | war95 | unless you are doing it from an install cd |
| 18:36.54 | pickcoder-food | war95: you can start the array without rebooting can't you? |
| 18:37.03 | grendal_prime | ok eldowan this worked...print_r($row['MsgID']) |
| 18:37.06 | pickcoder-food | war95: b/c you can stop it |
| 18:37.07 | war95 | pickcoder-food: yes but you cant add the disk you are currently booted from into the array |
| 18:37.15 | tombs | http://webcast.un.org/ramgen/specialevents/unitar060829am.rm |
| 18:37.20 | pickcoder-food | war95: oh.. yeah that makes sense |
| 18:37.45 | eldowan | grendal_prime: does the print_r($row); work correctly? |
| 18:37.49 | grendal_prime | now...this is totally different than the method i use to get data from like pg or mysql. |
| 18:37.53 | grendal_prime | ya eldowan |
| 18:38.06 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i do mssql from php all the time |
| 18:38.12 | eldowan | grendal_prime: You *should* only have to change mysql_* to mssql_* |
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| 18:38.19 | grendal_prime | it must have somethign to do with the fact that it is fetch_array |
| 18:38.25 | grendal_prime | ? |
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| 18:38.37 | abrotman | i do use fetch_row instead of fetch_array though ... |
| 18:38.37 | grendal_prime | really eldowan because when i tried that..i got nada. |
| 18:38.43 | eldowan | grendal_prime: fetch_array works as well as fetch_object or any of the others. Your referencing is correct. |
| 18:38.43 | JordiGH | I need to vent my frustrations at this so-called "corporate world" and their top-posting beliefs, their .doc standards, their belief that you cannot pay for free software... Is there a place in freenode for bitching about these things? |
| 18:38.58 | jsan | ius possible to set gateawy default in pptpd ? |
| 18:39.01 | abrotman | grendal_prime: where's the output ? |
| 18:39.21 | eldowan | grendal_prime: Yes, paste the HTML output where you have odd results. |
| 18:39.30 | grendal_prime | hmm why can i get away with echo $dbrecordset->myfieldname with like mysql and pg but not with...mssql.. |
| 18:39.54 | eldowan | grendal_prime: the $res->field is from the fetch_object method |
| 18:40.14 | eldowan | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mssql-fetch-object.php |
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| 18:40.36 | grendal_prime | thats the way i ususally do it...but fetch_object does not work for mssql? |
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| 18:40.40 | abrotman | grendal_prime: really .. can we see the results ? |
| 18:40.55 | grendal_prime | ya but they look very simply...well not broken.. |
| 18:40.58 | grendal_prime | the data is just werid |
| 18:40.59 | grendal_prime | here |
| 18:41.19 | abrotman | or msg me a URL or something |
| 18:41.34 | eldowan | grendal_prime: I'm interested too. |
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| 18:41.57 | grendal_prime | http://pastebin.ca/157685 |
| 18:42.33 | grendal_prime | it just looks like...well basically that the datatype is wrong, like its echoing the datatype of the array element or something |
| 18:43.07 | pickcoder-food | hm |
| 18:43.18 | eldowan | grendal_prime: Why is that weird? |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | grendal_prime: and if you do the same query in the Enterprise Manager? |
| 18:43.32 | grendal_prime | looks fine |
| 18:43.39 | grendal_prime | in the enterprise manager. |
| 18:43.54 | abrotman | grendal_prime: eldowan: /j #grendal |
| 18:44.00 | grendal_prime | under date and time..it always returns Fba |
| 18:44.02 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 18:44.13 | pickcoder | gredal_prime: have you tried returning 1 row at a time and using array indexes? |
| 18:44.20 | pickcoder | grendal even |
| 18:44.57 | jsan | i spossible to set other gateway in my conecction pptpd ? |
| 18:45.02 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 18:45.05 | Shadowcat | what's better to use |
| 18:45.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: so much for tabcomplete :) |
| 18:45.12 | Shadowcat | initramfs-tools or yaird? |
| 18:45.23 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:46.32 | stew | Shadowcat: as time goes on, initramfs-tools, yaird is looking dead upstream. initramfs-tools depends on udev though (which offends many) |
| 18:46.45 | Shadowcat | thanks stew |
| 18:47.13 | Shadowcat | disregard the same question in #debian-devel :P |
| 18:48.15 | abrotman | i thought yaird was the wave of the future |
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| 18:48.32 | Shadowcat | poor abrotman |
| 18:48.35 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 18:48.46 | abrotman | doesn't bother me .. i really could care less which they use as long as it works |
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| 18:49.43 | JordiGH | Grrr... |
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| 18:50.21 | amphi | JordiGH: use irssi ;) |
| 18:50.31 | JordiGH | amphi: Is there an OpenBSD port? |
| 18:50.39 | abrotman | probably |
| 18:50.58 | stew | abrotman: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/yaird/ last release was in December |
| 18:51.17 | amphi | JordiGH: it runs on netbsd and the hurd, so I don't see why not ;) |
| 18:51.18 | abrotman | stew: like that matters :) |
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| 18:52.35 | JordiGH | Is there anything that ftp does that we shouldn't do with http? |
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| 18:53.03 | JordiGH | Or with sftp? ;-) |
| 18:53.25 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: does the working SQL statement perform a conversion on the data field? |
| 18:53.32 | pickcoder | s/data/date |
| 18:53.39 | pickcoder | man I'm typing 1000 today |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | 1.000 ? |
| 18:54.00 | grendal_prime | pickcoder, they figered it out.. |
| 18:54.14 | pickcoder | what was it? |
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| 18:54.19 | abrotman | he can't code |
| 18:54.23 | pickcoder | lol |
| 18:55.34 | grendal_prime | hehee |
| 18:55.39 | grendal_prime | ya hes right actually |
| 18:55.54 | grendal_prime | im lazy is the problem that it all boils down to...hehehe |
| 18:56.26 | JordiGH | !lazy |
| 18:56.26 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 18:56.37 | pickcoder | that's OK. I've tried to print the value (not the value at the location) of a pointer before in C++, without realizing it. |
| 18:56.45 | JordiGH | abrotman has breached company policy. |
| 18:56.50 | pickcoder | drove me nuts until someone else pointed it out |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: i have ? |
| 18:57.00 | abrotman | oph |
| 18:57.31 | grendal_prime | pickcoder, this is one of those things i sort of had to do alot of so i automatied it...and now..i have to revisit it because the tools i built do not apply to mssql, so now im learning how badly i can actually code. |
| 18:57.31 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Heh. Forgot a * ? :-) |
| 18:57.47 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: ah |
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| 18:59.38 | pickcoder | JordiGH: that's what I get for staring at the same code for 8 hours straight |
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| 19:00.51 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I usually never stare at code for more than half that time. When it stops making sense, I print it out and work on it with a pen. Call me Mr Olde Schoule. :-) |
| 19:01.27 | pickcoder | JodiGH: tree killer! |
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| 19:01.47 | JordiGH | In my defense, I print four pages of code per leaf, double-sided. :-) |
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| 19:02.03 | abrotman | pick manual huh ? |
| 19:02.21 | pickcoder | abrotman: LOL - nah I have PDFs for that |
| 19:02.41 | pickcoder | abrotman: the reference manual is break-time reads |
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| 19:03.09 | pickcoder | Cobol.. heh |
| 19:03.17 | nelf | Whatever happened to vlc in testing? |
| 19:03.37 | pickcoder | I was actually in EE |
| 19:03.43 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 19:03.43 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 19:04.03 | pickcoder | never programmed in Cobol, but I had plenty of experience with a 6800 and 68K |
| 19:04.06 | pickcoder | assembler |
| 19:04.09 | nelf | Thanks abrotman |
| 19:04.13 | nelf | and dpkg :) |
| 19:04.28 | JordiGH | Because it's in the doc section... |
| 19:04.59 | jayeola | JordiGH: what's a good alternatiive to mplayer/vlc? |
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| 19:05.24 | JordiGH | Wtf? Does my talk about GAP seem relevant to playing movies? |
| 19:05.37 | JordiGH | !tell jayeola about guidelines |
| 19:05.56 | jayeola | k |
| 19:06.38 | JordiGH | Hm, I thought it was there. Anyways, don't pose questions to individuals. Ask the channel in general and someone who is interested will pick up your question. |
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| 19:07.01 | jayeola | ... and googles |
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| 19:07.40 | JordiGH | jayeola: And anyways, there's a bunch of movie players in Debian and Marillat. |
| 19:07.50 | JordiGH | jayeola: apt-cache search will be quite useful. |
| 19:08.09 | tuv | jayeola, what's wrong with mplayer? |
| 19:08.09 | jayeola | yah, done that but there's sooooo many -blushes- |
| 19:08.20 | hans0lo | Is anyone else having internet issues today? I cannot browse to certain websites, for example www.excite.com -- others, like google, work fine. |
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| 19:09.18 | tuv | i'd love to look at statistics of how many people are using debian for the desktop |
| 19:09.23 | JordiGH | hans0lo: Excite works for me, but I have all sorts of problem with other webpages, e.g. the SourceForge, and Debian. I'm pretty sure it's a local problem with my restrictive network, though. :-( |
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| 19:10.10 | oomph-work | im having issues adding snakebits source to my sources.list |
| 19:10.17 | hans0lo | JordiGH: I have tried excite.com from 3 networks -- can only get ot it from one of them and even then it's very slow to respond |
| 19:10.27 | oomph-work | http://actlab.tv/snakebite_guide.html |
| 19:10.45 | oomph-work | perhaps its a syntax error of some kind but im copying the directions correct |
| 19:10.48 | JordiGH | hans0lo: Dunno... sunspot activity, solar flares, invading alien forces? |
| 19:10.49 | hans0lo | I wonder if there are some problems at the main routers for my area |
| 19:11.21 | hans0lo | JordiGH: maybe so. haha. DNS resolves the name, and traceroute works.. Crazy |
| 19:11.38 | JordiGH | Ack... tar bomb in my home directory. Hate it when people don't put a root directory in their archives. |
| 19:11.38 | oomph-work | Failed to fetch http://actlab.tv/debian/binary/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
| 19:11.38 | oomph-work | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 19:12.30 | Azio | 600 people. mental |
| 19:12.59 | abrotman | used to be more |
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| 19:13.42 | Azio | really |
| 19:13.47 | Azio | damn |
| 19:13.51 | Azio | i wonder why there is less now |
| 19:14.10 | JordiGH | What? 600 Debian users in the desktop? |
| 19:14.14 | JordiGH | Worldwide? |
| 19:14.20 | JordiGH | Daanng... |
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| 19:14.55 | admin_ | what other emulators are tehre other then QEMU and VMware |
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| 19:15.06 | JordiGH | Azio: I guess Ubuntu is taking all the desktop away from us, and I suppose this also explains why I'm the last KDE enthusiast in #debian. |
| 19:15.13 | tuv | admin_, vserver, xen |
| 19:15.19 | admin_ | thx |
| 19:15.29 | Azio | i use debian for production environments and openmosix clustering |
| 19:15.34 | Azio | its pretty nice |
| 19:15.41 | Kevin` | bochs emulator.. |
| 19:15.47 | piper69 | i need help on using my usb flash drive please |
| 19:15.47 | JordiGH | Azio: I use Debian for everything. :-) |
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| 19:15.57 | tuv | me too |
| 19:16.00 | Azio | yes i would say so too pretty much |
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| 19:16.01 | JordiGH | piper69: What is it? |
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| 19:16.06 | Azio | apart from my desktop |
| 19:16.06 | maikol | how can i get wine to use alsa |
| 19:16.17 | piper69 | JordiGH: i plug it in but i can't see it |
| 19:16.30 | tuv | maikol, install libwine-alsa |
| 19:16.32 | JordiGH | piper69: Is there a line /etc/fstab for your usb flash drive? |
| 19:16.53 | tuv | piper69, what desktop are you using? |
| 19:16.53 | Azio | xinerama is unstable. |
| 19:16.54 | Azio | ;< |
| 19:16.57 | Azio | gah |
| 19:17.08 | Azio | im a sarge man |
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| 19:17.15 | piper69 | tuv: gnome |
| 19:17.16 | JordiGH | Azio: What do you use on the desktop, heathen? |
| 19:17.22 | Azio | it changes |
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| 19:17.28 | maikol | thanks tuv |
| 19:17.30 | Azio | ive lowered myself to the likes of fc5 recently |
| 19:17.35 | Azio | ;/ |
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| 19:17.48 | tuv | piper69, check "Desktop -> Preferences -> Removable Drives & Media" |
| 19:17.49 | piper69 | JordiGH: i can see it there |
| 19:18.45 | piper69 | tuv: i got error saying the hald service is required ?! |
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| 19:19.04 | tuv | piper69, that's probably why |
| 19:19.26 | piper69 | tuv: can u help me on how to do that please i am n00be |
| 19:19.28 | tuv | piper69, i think you can restart hald by restarting dbus |
| 19:19.34 | JordiGH | Azio: Interesting. How's Fedora doing nowadays? RedHat is still my canonical example during the flamewars on how free software can be successfully commercialised. I hope they don't it away from me. |
| 19:19.57 | piper69 | tuv: how can i restart dbus please? |
| 19:20.08 | tuv | piper69, i started having similar problems recently (few days now). probably it got missed up with an upgrade. are you using testing? |
| 19:20.26 | r_marvin | are there some known tricks to have my soundcard input work under alsa? |
| 19:20.31 | tuv | piper69, invoke-rc.d dbus restart |
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| 19:20.37 | tuv | piper69, as root |
| 19:20.45 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 19:20.49 | piper69 | tuv: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:20.50 | Azio | :D |
| 19:21.00 | Azio | JordiGH: rpm is a fine exmaple of commercialisation imo |
| 19:21.01 | JordiGH | First thing I click on in kdbg makes it crash with the KDE crash handler. :-( |
| 19:21.09 | tuv | piper69, that's probably stable then, isn't it? |
| 19:21.23 | Azio | JordiGH: rpm was from the start, because it basically meant "bloating" , and heh, no comments there, i think its obvious where "bloating" angles itself towards |
| 19:21.33 | Azio | :P |
| 19:21.51 | Azio | JordiGH: the question id ask does Bloating != usability? |
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| 19:21.54 | piper69 | tuv: invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/dbus not found. |
| 19:22.03 | Azio | JordiGH: fc5 is atually quite nice, if you can stick it :) |
| 19:22.06 | Azio | i like my cli |
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| 19:22.22 | tuv | piper69, are you running stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 19:22.36 | piper69 | tuv: how will i know |
| 19:22.41 | JordiGH | Free software discourages bloating, according to Robert Chassell. |
| 19:22.54 | piper69 | tuv: as my knowldge i did uname -r |
| 19:22.56 | tuv | piper69, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:23.28 | DaBlade | JordiGH: Though I guess Azureus disproved him. |
| 19:23.28 | Azio | JordiGH: he's right, but it doesnt stop people creating larger kernels or rpm's than are "necessary" |
| 19:23.28 | piper69 | tuv: |
| 19:23.28 | piper69 | tuv: 3.1 |
| 19:23.28 | Azio | JordiGH: it would have to be a question of sanity. :) |
| 19:23.29 | DaBlade | (Don't get me wrong, I like Azureus, but fact is, it's bloated) |
| 19:23.36 | tuv | piper69, that's debian sarge (stable) |
| 19:23.37 | Azio | DaBlade: its in java |
| 19:23.41 | Azio | lol |
| 19:23.41 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Azureus? |
| 19:23.45 | maikol | tuv: what if i compiled it; the libwine-alsa in the repos is for .15 |
| 19:23.51 | JordiGH | !info azureus |
| 19:23.51 | DaBlade | JordiGH: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:23.55 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.5.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6080 kB, Installed size: 6836 kB |
| 19:24.00 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 19:24.08 | DaBlade | The most popular BT client |
| 19:24.16 | DaBlade | Written in Java, has by far the most functions. |
| 19:24.19 | tuv | maikol, don't know then. but chances are it's already there, especially if there was a single source downloa |
| 19:24.20 | cydork | i hate azureus.. i dont like to waste my resorses on bt client . |
| 19:24.23 | tuv | download* |
| 19:24.25 | DaBlade | Unfortunately, is very resource heavy. |
| 19:24.30 | cydork | i use btlauchmany :) |
| 19:24.36 | DaBlade | Fortunately, works under GNU Java. :) |
| 19:24.41 | piper69 | tuv: so can i still use my usb flash drive |
| 19:25.02 | tuv | cydork, all torrent clients (and file-sharing clients for that matter) are resource-hungry |
| 19:25.24 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Firefox also seems heavy-handed to me. And OO.o. Anyways, the argument is that these are exceptions rather then the norm, unlike with proprietary software. I run Debian in 1998 hardware, and I think that hardly any piece of modern proprietary software could do the same. |
| 19:25.37 | DaBlade | Firefox is anything but bloated |
| 19:25.42 | cydork | tuv, try btlauchmany and compare that to azureus and you will see what i mean |
| 19:25.43 | DaBlade | It's *designed* to be minimalistic. |
| 19:25.59 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Well, perhaps it's small, but it consumes a shitload of RAM. :-) |
| 19:26.11 | DaBlade | Well, it doesn't for me |
| 19:26.17 | tuv | cydork, i used to use it, but it lacks many features. dht for example |
| 19:26.26 | cydork | dht?? |
| 19:26.28 | DaBlade | Beware of the power of the about:config |
| 19:26.37 | Azio | :> |
| 19:26.39 | Azio | meh |
| 19:26.40 | DaBlade | cydork: Distributed Hash Table |
| 19:26.40 | piper69 | tuv: any suggestions please |
| 19:26.43 | tuv | piper69, worst case scenario: you can mount it manually |
| 19:26.46 | DaBlade | cydork: Basically, trackerless BitTorrent. |
| 19:26.56 | DaBlade | It also supports protocol encryption |
| 19:27.05 | DaBlade | Though there's an article about that on Slashdot right now |
| 19:27.13 | piper69 | tuv: how can i get the dbus should i just do apt-get install dbus |
| 19:27.16 | Azio | heh |
| 19:27.20 | JordiGH | 11% of my RAM. That's about 50 megs of RAM for Firefox alone. |
| 19:27.35 | Azio | JordiGH: dont get me started about internet legislation :) |
| 19:27.37 | tuv | piper69, what does "ls /etc/init.d/dbus*" return? |
| 19:27.40 | DaBlade | For me, it never uses more than 30mb |
| 19:27.53 | JordiGH | One old machines with 128 megs of RAM running Knoppix, Firefox is heavy-handed. :-/ |
| 19:28.01 | DaBlade | JordiGH: Learn to use about:config :P |
| 19:28.06 | piper69 | tuv: No such file or directory |
| 19:28.10 | JordiGH | But as DaBlade said, "don't get me wrong". I love Firefox too. :-) |
| 19:28.11 | tuv | JordiGH, yeah.. firefox eats a lot of memory, especially if left running for an extended period |
| 19:28.27 | tuv | JordiGH, and i hate that about it |
| 19:28.28 | Kevin` | firefox is very heavy on a 64mb machine :/ |
| 19:28.29 | DaBlade | tuv: That can also be fixed via about:config :P |
| 19:28.39 | cydork | dpkg doesn't show anything and i guess i have to go to firefox :)] |
| 19:29.09 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Got any docs on what needs to fiddled about in about:config? |
| 19:29.14 | DaBlade | cydork: What about Lynx? It's pretty minimalistic :P |
| 19:29.19 | tuv | piper69, i'm not sure how things are in stable as i'm running testing. but you can start by looking for hal and dbus and installing them |
| 19:29.24 | DaBlade | JordiGH: No, I did that stuff several months ago |
| 19:29.33 | DaBlade | JordiGH: But I can try to figure out which settings I changed |
| 19:29.44 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Are they documented anywhere? |
| 19:29.47 | Azio | error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:29.48 | cydork | DaBlade, i like links2 than lynx :) |
| 19:29.48 | Azio | hmm |
| 19:29.49 | tuv | piper69, i think the "gnome" meta package should take care of that though, so make sure you have "gnome" installed as well |
| 19:29.53 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.58 | DaBlade | But I don't have any of the docs |
| 19:30.04 | abrotman | might be dbus1 |
| 19:30.19 | Azio | anybody know where i can find libXinerama? |
| 19:30.23 | Azio | i think its unstable |
| 19:30.25 | DaBlade | JordiGH: Found one of them |
| 19:30.28 | piper69 | tuv: gnome already installed |
| 19:30.43 | DaBlade | set the following integer to -1: |
| 19:30.49 | DaBlade | browser.cache.memory.capacity |
| 19:31.27 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 19:31.32 | cydork | DaBlade, i know we set it to low value but -1 it wont have any cache right.. |
| 19:31.33 | DaBlade | Open firefox |
| 19:31.36 | JordiGH | I only have browser.cache.memory.enable |
| 19:31.48 | DaBlade | Which version of Fx do you have? |
| 19:31.48 | cydork | JordiGH, you have to create it |
| 19:31.53 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 19:32.03 | JordiGH | New string, right? |
| 19:32.06 | DaBlade | cydork: Oh, right |
| 19:32.07 | DaBlade | New integer |
| 19:32.07 | JordiGH | No, value. |
| 19:32.21 | DaBlade | Also |
| 19:32.26 | DaBlade | To stop the memory leak during idle: |
| 19:32.27 | cydork | DaBlade, but why -1?? |
| 19:32.35 | DaBlade | config.trim_on_minimize |
| 19:32.36 | DaBlade | true |
| 19:32.43 | DaBlade | cydork: Beats me, that's just how it works. |
| 19:32.44 | cydork | DaBlade, i know it should be low value but -1? |
| 19:33.12 | DaBlade | cydork: Search for that option and the value then |
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| 19:33.33 | cydork | i have it around 4096 |
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| 19:34.03 | wsjunior | could anybody help me to configure my bluetooth device? hcitool scan detects it but i cant connect to it. when i try hcitool cc MAC i get Can't create connection: Input/output error |
| 19:34.07 | JordiGH | DaBlade: How did you figure out these thins to begin with? |
| 19:34.12 | JordiGH | things |
| 19:34.15 | gre123 | YAY |
| 19:34.23 | DaBlade | Mozilla's forums I think |
| 19:34.26 | gre123 | debian unstable works |
| 19:34.30 | wsjunior | hcidump -V tell me: Error: PIN or Key Missing |
| 19:34.50 | tuv | guys.. don't miss d-i beta3.. it's great |
| 19:34.53 | wsjunior | i created a script to pass the pin but it doesnt work :/ |
| 19:35.02 | JordiGH | config.trim_on_minimize, create it too? |
| 19:35.03 | JordiGH | Ok... |
| 19:35.04 | tuv | and really fast |
| 19:35.23 | streuner | doesn't sound like an official mirror, doesn't it? |
| 19:35.25 | DaBlade | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity |
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| 19:35.29 | streuner | doesn't sound like an official mirror, doesn't it? |
| 19:35.30 | DaBlade | Look there ^ |
| 19:35.37 | JordiGH | :P |
| 19:35.38 | streuner | test |
| 19:35.46 | wsjunior | i see that there isnt a bluez-pin package for amd64 for testing but there is for stable and sid.. is this the problem? |
| 19:35.51 | streuner | test |
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| 19:36.04 | streuner | sorry guys |
| 19:36.15 | DaBlade | JordiGH: Better now? :P |
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| 19:36.33 | JordiGH | Lesse... should I restart my Firefox? |
| 19:36.45 | DaBlade | JordiGH: Probably wouldn't hurt. |
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| 19:37.53 | JordiGH | Yep, cut memory usage by about 1/3 to 1/2 ! |
| 19:37.53 | JordiGH | Nice! |
| 19:37.58 | DaBlade | :) |
| 19:38.10 | DaBlade | What about me? :( |
| 19:38.13 | DaBlade | j/k |
| 19:38.25 | Azio | hmm I have a stupid question to ask. Im used to CLI. ive not manually configured XFree86 for sometime |
| 19:38.41 | JordiGH | CLI.... T... er, sorry. |
| 19:38.45 | DaBlade | Azio: Upgrade to Xorg while you're at it. |
| 19:38.50 | Azio | already have :D |
| 19:38.56 | Azio | ;( |
| 19:38.58 | streuner | !drxx Azio |
| 19:38.58 | dpkg | Azio: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:39.04 | DaBlade | Azio: There are some KDE utilities to configure it for you |
| 19:39.17 | Azio | ok guys, thanks |
| 19:39.30 | streuner | Azio: besides, what videocard do you have? |
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| 19:39.42 | Azio | "cannot connect to X server |
| 19:39.43 | Azio | " |
| 19:39.50 | Azio | ahh ive tried VESA |
| 19:39.56 | Azio | i think you'll find its not a videocard issue |
| 19:39.57 | streuner | Azio: should work (TM) |
| 19:40.13 | streuner | Azio: lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 19:40.26 | Azio | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 19:40.26 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.39 | inv | hi all |
| 19:40.43 | DaBlade | Azio: go to kde-apps.org |
| 19:40.51 | DaBlade | Azio: search or something like fglrxconf |
| 19:40.54 | DaBlade | *for |
| 19:41.01 | inv | doesn't audigy need ALSA ? |
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| 19:41.16 | DaBlade | I think there are emu10k1 modules for OSS too |
| 19:41.20 | streuner | ATI Rage Pro are supported by old drivers... |
| 19:41.22 | DaBlade | but like the rest of OSS, they suck. |
| 19:41.25 | Azio | ok |
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| 19:41.29 | Azio | tbh : |
| 19:41.31 | streuner | Azio: they aren't in the main tree... |
| 19:41.33 | Azio | i run openmosix |
| 19:41.38 | Azio | and my friend has buggered up everything |
| 19:41.40 | Fare | hum. Is there a hex viewer capable of ebcdic around ? |
| 19:41.48 | Azio | thought i could trust a fellow tech with my om cluster |
| 19:41.52 | Azio | turned out im incorrect :D |
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| 19:42.00 | inv | Y, it worked, but day ago, I setuped debian on other partition. sound doesn't work |
| 19:42.08 | DaBlade | Fare: At the risk of sounding like an arse, ever considered trying "apt-cache search "? |
| 19:42.10 | JordiGH | Fare: Emacs? |
| 19:42.14 | Azio | XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new -allowMouseOpenFail |
| 19:42.36 | Azio | ^ which works fine btw :D |
| 19:42.37 | DaBlade | Azio: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:42.39 | streuner | Azio: don't use xf86config, use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:42.44 | Azio | uber ok :) |
| 19:42.48 | Azio | thanks bud |
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| 19:44.19 | inv | if there is a card in /proc/asound/cards, does it mean that sound should work ? |
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| 19:44.40 | streuner | alsa is installed |
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| 19:45.04 | vicmic | Hello i need help installing debian on my toshiba laptop |
| 19:45.09 | piper69 | i don't know how to install dbus demon can someone help me please |
| 19:45.16 | DaBlade | try alsaconf -p |
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| 19:45.18 | streuner | inv: did you use 'alsaconf'? |
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| 19:45.35 | DaBlade | piper69: apt-get install dbus? |
| 19:45.35 | inv | streuner: I didn't use alsa on other partition, and it worked |
| 19:45.52 | streuner | heh |
| 19:46.04 | piper69 | DaBlade: E: Couldn't find package dbus |
| 19:46.12 | DaBlade | piper69: Distro? |
| 19:46.14 | streuner | its in xorg |
| 19:46.16 | DaBlade | piper69: sid, etch, sarge? |
| 19:46.37 | DaBlade | piper69: Try libdbus-1-2 |
| 19:46.46 | Fare | DaBlade: doh! thanks. |
| 19:46.49 | cydork | vicmic, what's the problem? |
| 19:47.00 | DaBlade | :) |
| 19:47.01 | piper69 | DaBlade: gnome, stable 3.1 |
| 19:47.11 | DaBlade | Aha |
| 19:47.14 | DaBlade | I use Etch myself. |
| 19:47.16 | Fare | DaBlade: you're the best arse ever! |
| 19:47.26 | DaBlade | Fare: Thanks... I think... |
| 19:47.36 | Azio | kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 19:47.41 | Azio | think im going to give up for tonight lads :D |
| 19:47.45 | Azio | and try xorg again tomorrow |
| 19:47.53 | Fare | like my girlfriend's when I<SCHDONG> |
| 19:48.13 | streuner | Azio: show us your log file about X in paster bot |
| 19:48.16 | streuner | !paste |
| 19:48.17 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:48.34 | vicmic | cydork the problem is than my laptop dosent have a cd room so its an externel one and on the installation prosses it saids thanits impossible to mount the cd room |
| 19:48.37 | DaBlade | Azio: I'd have helped you, but I haven't used ATi cards for a good four years now. |
| 19:48.44 | vicmic | is an usb ne bott it dosent detect it |
| 19:49.03 | vicmic | i can boot the installer but then i think it dosent reads the usb cdroom |
| 19:49.17 | streuner | ATI Rage Pro are usually easy, and it shouldn't be a problem to run it in VESA at least. |
| 19:49.17 | inv | doesn't mean if the card in /proc/asound/cards, then linux have detected it ? |
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| 19:49.30 | piper69 | DaBlade: so ? |
| 19:49.32 | vicmic | cant mount it |
| 19:49.49 | streuner | inv: the kernel regonised the card itself |
| 19:50.08 | streuner | inv: means you are running a 2.6.x kernel then |
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| 19:50.34 | inv | y |
| 19:50.55 | streuner | you need to configure the card itself via 'alsaconf' |
| 19:51.00 | wsjunior | could anybody help me to configure my bluetooth device? hcitool scan detects it but i cant connect to it. when i try hcitool cc MAC i get Can't create connection: Input/output error |
| 19:51.00 | inv | but why if I run aumix it writes "error opening mixer" ? |
| 19:51.01 | JordiGH | Oh. Silly me. Of course I won't be able to debug a program that I compiled with the -O3 option. :P |
| 19:51.01 | inv | ok |
| 19:51.05 | wsjunior | hcidump -V tell me: Error: PIN or Key Missing |
| 19:51.11 | inv | streuner: ok, I'll try |
| 19:51.15 | DaBlade | inv: alsamixer |
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| 19:51.26 | DaBlade | inv: But first, try alsaconf -p |
| 19:51.36 | inv | streuner: but it worked without alsa! |
| 19:51.37 | wsjunior | i dont have the bluez-pin package there isnt one for debian testing is this the problem? |
| 19:51.44 | gre123 | is there a good nes emulator for debian? |
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| 19:51.51 | DaBlade | or -P |
| 19:51.55 | inv | gre123, snes ? |
| 19:52.22 | vicmic | no body knows how can i install it? |
| 19:52.25 | DaBlade | gre123: |
| 19:52.26 | DaBlade | root@RazorBlade[/home/dablade/Downloads]# apt-cache search nintendo |
| 19:52.26 | DaBlade | crack-attack - multiplayer OpenGL puzzle game like "Tetris Attack" |
| 19:52.26 | DaBlade | fceu - FCE Ultra - a nintendo (8-bit) emulator |
| 19:52.27 | DaBlade | zsnes - Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM |
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| 19:52.59 | inv | streuner: is it the only way to install alsa ? |
| 19:53.04 | JordiGH | Hm, just gcc source.cpp -o bin should give me debug symbols, right? |
| 19:53.09 | DaBlade | WHY WON'T PEOPLE JUST LEARN TO USE apt-cache search?! |
| 19:53.14 | DaBlade | </endminirant> |
| 19:53.15 | vicmic | i need to install debian on my laptop but it dosent recognize my drive |
| 19:53.26 | streuner | inv: to configure, you have the modules already via the kernel itself |
| 19:53.47 | streuner | !tell vicmic about laptops |
| 19:53.55 | vicmic | please |
| 19:54.05 | inv | streuner: but how ddid it work without alsa ? |
| 19:54.09 | streuner | vicmic: SATA? |
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| 19:54.18 | amphi | JordiGH: -g |
| 19:54.21 | streuner | inv: via OSS |
| 19:54.47 | JordiGH | amphi: Ah, thankee. |
| 19:54.50 | streuner | inv: OSS modules are installed in every kernel, just use them if necessary |
| 19:54.53 | vicmic | nop ide |
| 19:54.55 | inv | streuner: Y, how is it possible to do the same thing ? to setup via OSS |
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| 19:55.23 | vicmic | the one than do not recognize is usb couse it cant mount the cdroom |
| 19:55.41 | tuv | vicmic, you can either use a usb disk/flash media or network to install |
| 19:55.43 | v|p3r | hi all, someone know some tool for wifi that support WPA? |
| 19:55.45 | inv | streuner: the card is in the /proc/asound/cards, but aumix doesn't work |
| 19:55.52 | streuner | inv: modprobe <soundmodule>, adduser <user> audio, logout and back in |
| 19:55.57 | piper69 | please guys i need to get this usb drive working |
| 19:56.10 | msoul | I've installed Debian Beta 3 Etch earlier today, installed couple of wm as well but all I see is logout nothing to shutdown I have to do it in the console mode |
| 19:56.11 | vicmic | is network |
| 19:56.12 | msoul | any idea? |
| 19:56.19 | gre123 | ugh why wont it work |
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| 19:56.39 | vicmic | but listen my lap dosent have cd room its an external one got it? |
| 19:56.53 | inv | streuner: module = emu10k1 ? |
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| 19:57.03 | inv | I'm in the audio group |
| 19:57.04 | JordiGH | Cute, I can see the asm with kdbg! |
| 19:57.11 | streuner | inv: lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 19:57.20 | tuv | vicmic, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04.html |
| 19:57.54 | tuv | vicmic, look at 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 and choose whatever best suites you |
| 19:58.07 | vicmic | thx |
| 19:58.12 | piper69 | can someone showme what is the pkg name for dbus |
| 19:58.15 | streuner | inv: if you have a Creative Soundblaster Live yes, its "mpdprobe emu10k1" |
| 19:58.24 | piper69 | or how to manually mnt the usb |
| 19:58.28 | streuner | s/mpdprobe/modprobe/ |
| 19:58.34 | inv | streuner: 02:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) |
| 19:58.39 | JordiGH | amphi: I don't really care which front-end to gdb I use, so do you have any recommendations? |
| 19:58.44 | DaBlade | I have a sound blaster as well. |
| 19:58.49 | DaBlade | Though not Audigy. |
| 19:58.49 | tuv | piper69, in stable it's dbus-1 |
| 19:58.52 | tuv | piper69, http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/dbus-1 |
| 19:58.56 | streuner | inv: oh, Audigy's aren't all emu10k1's |
| 19:58.56 | DaBlade | sound blaster live! 5.1 |
| 19:59.13 | piper69 | tuv: thank you |
| 19:59.27 | streuner | inv: go to alsa's website and see is the card supported or not |
| 19:59.38 | tuv | piper69, you could have done "apt-cache search --names-only dbus" |
| 19:59.39 | inv | streuner: I can check, seams it was emu10k1 in prev debian installation |
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| 19:59.49 | DaBlade | inv: If it's a Creative Sound Blaster card, it _is_ supported |
| 19:59.53 | DaBlade | There's no question about that. |
| 20:00.04 | streuner | no |
| 20:00.05 | inv | streuner: I works on the other installation, and without alsa :) |
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| 20:00.14 | DaBlade | modprobe emu10k1 |
| 20:00.18 | DaBlade | Or if you don't have it |
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| 20:00.27 | DaBlade | Grab the source code |
| 20:00.30 | DaBlade | recompile the kernel |
| 20:00.31 | DaBlade | Enjoy. |
| 20:00.35 | inv | FATAL: Module emu10k1 not found. |
| 20:00.40 | ralfWORK | rinse, repeat? |
| 20:00.47 | piper69 | tuv: it say that it's installed |
| 20:00.48 | DaBlade | ok, time to head over to kernel.org then, inv. :P |
| 20:00.52 | streuner | inv: cat /proc/version |
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| 20:00.58 | DaBlade | ralfWORK: Nah, no need for that yet. :P |
| 20:01.02 | ralfWORK | ;) |
| 20:01.25 | inv | but there is lsmod | grep emu10k1 = snd_emu10k1 and many other snd_* |
| 20:01.34 | tuv | piper69, then try "invoke-rc.d dbus-1 restart" |
| 20:01.35 | DaBlade | streuner: Wouldn't uname -r do the same job? |
| 20:01.37 | inv | streuner: Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-18) (fs@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060730 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-6)) #1 Fri Aug 18 19:01:49 UTC 2006 |
| 20:01.48 | DaBlade | Sid eh? |
| 20:01.49 | streuner | DaBlade: no |
| 20:01.51 | ralfWORK | wtf |
| 20:01.55 | DaBlade | No wonder you have errors. |
| 20:01.55 | inv | prev installation of debian has 2.6.8 kernel version |
| 20:01.56 | ralfWORK | 4.0? |
| 20:02.00 | DaBlade | or wait |
| 20:02.00 | ralfWORK | you kids these days |
| 20:02.03 | DaBlade | No, that's etch |
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| 20:02.09 | DaBlade | My mistake. |
| 20:02.10 | drfox | hey gentle people: has there been a recent borkage of /usr/bin/pycentral or is it just local to my boxen? |
| 20:02.17 | ralfWORK | with all your huge version numbers |
| 20:02.28 | streuner | drfox: BTS |
| 20:03.05 | DaBlade | ralfWORK: Noticed anything special about the 2.6.16 series of kernels? :P |
| 20:03.05 | ralfWORK | DaBlade: I'd run 2.4 if I could |
| 20:03.06 | piper69 | tuv: now it's telling me that i need kerneal 2.6 for hal to work |
| 20:03.07 | DaBlade | Whyever would you do that? |
| 20:03.11 | ralfWORK | haven't run any of the later 2.6 kernels though |
| 20:03.14 | inv | I'll try 2.6.8 |
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| 20:03.22 | DaBlade | 2.6.7 is the most stable kernel _ever_ |
| 20:03.33 | JordiGH | Hm, Debian. Why didn't I think of looking there instead of the bugs.kde.org website? |
| 20:03.33 | DaBlade | So go for that if you want stability. |
| 20:03.45 | inv | prev debian was uptoday too, different only in version |
| 20:03.47 | tuv | piper69, you could either upgrade to a 2.6 kernel or get comfortable mounting by hand :) |
| 20:03.52 | ralfWORK | DaBlade: but running 2.6.7 wouldn't make me a curmudgeon |
| 20:03.53 | inv | ok, thx for the help |
| 20:03.57 | streuner | inv: LISTEN |
| 20:04.02 | DaBlade | ralfWORK: A waht? |
| 20:04.05 | inv | y, sir :) |
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| 20:04.31 | stew | DaBlade: 2.6.7? that would be vulnerable to many security problems |
| 20:04.31 | streuner | inv: we told you, there were isuesses in debian with Audigy |
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| 20:04.50 | inv | with kernel > 2.6.8 ? |
| 20:05.02 | streuner | inv: just try the latest kernel and look in BTS about |
| 20:05.16 | inv | sry, what's BTS ? |
| 20:05.20 | piper69 | tuv: how can i update the kernel please |
| 20:05.22 | streuner | !bts |
| 20:05.22 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:05.44 | stew | inv: have you run alsaconf? |
| 20:05.47 | streuner | stew: where is dondelelcaro? |
| 20:05.49 | ralfWORK | Curmudgeon: a bad-tempered or surly person |
| 20:05.54 | inv | stew: I don't want alsa |
| 20:05.54 | tuv | piper69, "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686" if you have a PII+ cpu |
| 20:05.57 | stew | streuner: black rock city |
| 20:06.09 | stew | inv: any reason why you don't want alsa? |
| 20:06.09 | streuner | stew: black rock city? |
| 20:06.19 | stew | streuner: burningman festival |
| 20:06.27 | streuner | oh |
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| 20:06.49 | piper69 | tuv: sorry to bug u but what would i replace the image with |
| 20:06.50 | DaBlade | rate of about 10MB/month. Yet 2.6.7 was, arguably, the most stable 2.6 kernel yet. It contains many of the latest features, has |
| 20:06.57 | DaBlade | from http://lwn.net/Articles/94605/ |
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| 20:07.26 | inv | is 2.6.8-3-686 fine ? |
| 20:07.38 | tuv | piper69, i didn't get you. that command adds a new kernel image to your system and keeps your old one |
| 20:07.51 | DaBlade | http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/7732/print: |
| 20:07.53 | inv | isn't 2.6.16-2-686 lastest ? |
| 20:07.53 | DaBlade | http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/7732/print |
| 20:07.54 | stew | inv: which version of debian are you running? |
| 20:07.55 | streuner | inv: use groups.google.com and search for |
| 20:08.00 | inv | ok, thx |
| 20:08.02 | DaBlade | than the "development" kernel had. But, the 2.6.7 kernel was the most stable Linux kernel ever, by a wide range of benchmarks and regression tests. |
| 20:08.11 | DaBlade | Several sites say 2.6.7 was the most stable ever |
| 20:08.12 | stew | inv: 2.6.8-3 is leatest for stable, 2.6.16-2 is latest for testing |
| 20:08.20 | stew | DaBlade: stop |
| 20:08.25 | inv | stew, y, I know |
| 20:08.25 | piper69 | tuv: oh sorry |
| 20:08.25 | DaBlade | I did. |
| 20:08.27 | streuner | so he running etch prolly |
| 20:08.36 | stew | DaBlade: it would not be wise to run 2.6.7 |
| 20:08.45 | DaBlade | Possibly not. |
| 20:08.48 | DaBlade | Due to its age. |
| 20:08.48 | ralfWORK | he said "stable" not "secure" |
| 20:08.59 | stew | DaBlade: no, due to its security problems |
| 20:09.05 | piclez41 | hi how to enable SSLProxyEngine please? |
| 20:09.22 | cydork | stew, it had a local vul. right? |
| 20:09.27 | streuner | drfox: np |
| 20:09.52 | streuner | cydork: and serveral other ones too :-) |
| 20:10.12 | stew | cydork: well there have been several security patches released for 2.6.8, i can't imaging that none the problems they fix existed in 2.6.7 |
| 20:10.44 | cydork | oh ok.. |
| 20:10.52 | stew | inv: so what happens when you run "modprobe emu10k1"? |
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| 20:11.10 | inv | stew, Module emu10k1 not found |
| 20:11.37 | tuv | doesn't progeny provide commercial support for debian? |
| 20:11.43 | inv | but there is snd_emu10k1 in ls | grep emu10k1 |
| 20:11.50 | inv | and emu10k1_gp |
| 20:12.02 | streuner | tuv: check out there website |
| 20:12.04 | stew | inv: but no emu10k1? |
| 20:12.12 | tuv | inv, that's good. snd_emu10k1 is the alsa driver |
| 20:12.15 | stew | inv: 2.6.17 has an emu10k1 |
| 20:12.17 | HNT | hello everybody, do you now how can i print 4 photos on a single A4 sheet with KDE ? |
| 20:12.39 | tuv | streuner, i mean why are people refusing to use debian in the enterprise for lack of commercial support? |
| 20:13.19 | streuner | you should ask them |
| 20:13.23 | tuv | inv, emu10k1 is the oss driver |
| 20:13.29 | stew | actually no, 2.6.16 doens't have emu10k1 but 2.6.17 does |
| 20:13.40 | inv | hm |
| 20:13.43 | inv | interesting |
| 20:13.57 | stew | inv: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:14.06 | JordiGH | HNT: When I hit on "print" from a KDE app, I get a window that allows me to choose (from "settings") duplex printing and number of pages per sheet. |
| 20:14.07 | tuv | streuner, no.. even here in this channel. people excuse not using debian commercially for lack of commercial support |
| 20:14.26 | streuner | tuv: there are consulants |
| 20:14.32 | inv | stew, just setupped from etch netinst iso day ago |
| 20:14.33 | JordiGH | HNT: This may or may not be related to the type of printer that I have. |
| 20:14.38 | inv | Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-18) (fs@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060730 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-6)) #1 Fri Aug 18 19:01:49 UTC 2006 |
| 20:14.58 | tuv | streuner, i wonder how educated they are regarding how well supported debian is |
| 20:15.00 | streuner | inv: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 20:15.05 | stew | inv: then you can wait for 2.6.17 or 2.6.18 to hit etch, install 2.6.17 from unstable, or use alsa |
| 20:15.07 | JordiGH | HNT: Also, you could consider Scribus for arranging those four pictures on the page in a nice way. Perhaps also bring out the gimp to resize them. |
| 20:15.08 | HNT | JordiGHÂ : i will try thanks |
| 20:15.20 | inv | does it mean that OSS isn't right way? everyone should use alsa ? |
| 20:15.23 | stew | inv: of those three, alsa is going to be the overwelming recommendation from us |
| 20:15.29 | stew | inv: oss is deprecated |
| 20:15.31 | HNT | Scribus, thx, i will try it |
| 20:15.32 | JordiGH | inv: yes |
| 20:15.34 | inv | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:15.47 | JordiGH | !info scribus |
| 20:15.53 | dpkg | scribus: (Open Source Desktop Publishing), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.5.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5381 kB, Installed size: 15928 kB |
| 20:16.19 | inv | what are advantages of alsa ? |
| 20:16.45 | stew | inv: it will support all of the features of your card, whereas the oss driver for audigy will only support a subset |
| 20:16.53 | inv | disadvantage - I should use alsa aplication alsamix etc, with OSS its a normal aumix |
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| 20:17.05 | inv | ok, thx |
| 20:17.12 | stew | inv: no, you can load the oss compatibility for alsa then all of your oss apps will work |
| 20:17.16 | inv | then, I'm goind to alsa :) |
| 20:17.16 | stew | inv: (modprobe snd-pcm-oss) |
| 20:17.25 | stew | inv: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 20:18.00 | inv | if everybody here use alsa, I'll do the same :) |
| 20:18.12 | JordiGH | Only the cool kids use alsa. |
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| 20:19.14 | cydork | inv, oss was standard in 2.4 but now alsa is the best best option afaik |
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| 20:19.23 | vrkhans | hi i just install linux i dont know how to configure my network card and router please help me in that . thanks i am using suse10 |
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| 20:19.32 | JordiGH | Strange. sftp doesn't understand ~ to mean "/home/jordi" |
| 20:19.33 | inv | like KDE ? :) he-he |
| 20:19.41 | JordiGH | KDE! |
| 20:19.52 | JordiGH | A fellow sympathiser! I get so lonely here sometimes. |
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| 20:20.00 | inv | no |
| 20:20.13 | inv | I use dwm (like wmii) |
| 20:20.22 | eldowan | JordiGH: I'm using KDE |
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| 20:20.48 | inv | has anyone tried dwm or wmii ? |
| 20:20.51 | vrkhans | please help me in confiruring my network card and router |
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| 20:21.03 | cydork | vrkhans, man interfaces |
| 20:21.07 | inv | vrkhans: where is a problem ? |
| 20:21.15 | Azio | hey guys |
| 20:21.18 | Azio | sorry i missed your earlier messages |
| 20:21.20 | Azio | knackered here |
| 20:21.21 | Azio | ;-) |
| 20:21.32 | eldowan | cydork: What is so bad about KDE? |
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| 20:21.56 | cydork | eldowan, bloated, dont get me wrong i dont use gnome also :) |
| 20:21.58 | inv | searching |
| 20:22.18 | eldowan | cydork: So just because it uses a lot of resources? |
| 20:22.23 | inv | eldowan: it simple inconveniently |
| 20:22.26 | inv | it's |
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| 20:22.43 | inv | gnome is suxx too :) |
| 20:22.48 | eldowan | inv: I don't understand "simple inconveniently" |
| 20:23.08 | bier_ | use xfce ;) |
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| 20:23.30 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 20:23.30 | dpkg | KDE owns you and your dog. |
| 20:23.35 | JordiGH | Ha! |
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| 20:23.36 | inv | eldowan: sry, dictionary got only this word |
| 20:23.50 | cydork | !start a desktop war |
| 20:23.50 | dpkg | enlightenment: the choice for the -smarter- debian user. |
| 20:24.00 | JordiGH | cydork: Cheater. Dpkg had already spoken. :P |
| 20:24.17 | bier_ | i dont't have a dog - so KDE does not pwn me ;P |
| 20:24.44 | cydork | JordiGH, well he just changed his mind. Welcome to dark side dpkg |
| 20:24.46 | inv | use dwm! it only 23660 bytes, and nothing else! |
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| 20:25.21 | eldowan | !start a desktop war |
| 20:25.21 | dpkg | GNOME is better then KDE, period. |
| 20:25.37 | eldowan | hmmm. dpkg just cant make up its mind |
| 20:25.39 | bier_ | yeah, kde sucks ^^ |
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| 20:25.59 | tuv | yay.. dpkg is the one |
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| 20:26.11 | JordiGH | !beer myself |
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| 20:26.20 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 20:26.26 | bier_ | but that's the good side of linux... you have the choice ;-) |
| 20:26.29 | encompass | does anyone know of a good console based screensaver? I need something that will look the screen after a few minutes. |
| 20:26.37 | silverblade | im trying to print using CUPS, to a HP LaserJet 1600. It will only print in mono. When printing in colour it sits there doing nothing |
| 20:26.41 | bier_ | you know jever over there? |
| 20:26.43 | inv | dpkg: what is dwm |
| 20:26.44 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, inv |
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| 20:26.55 | JordiGH | dpkg, info dwm |
| 20:26.57 | dpkg | dwm: (dynamic window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 20:27.04 | inv | dpkg: dwm = www.wmii.de/dwm/ |
| 20:27.10 | Benny | I have a directory with 234 Files with spaces inside (bsp. data 1 34.tar.gz) I want for every space a _ inside the Filename, how can i do this via the shell ? |
| 20:27.18 | JordiGH | !dwm |
| 20:27.30 | JordiGH | dpkg, dwm is www.wmii.de/dwm/ |
| 20:27.30 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 20:27.42 | moshii | Benny: do it with sed and a for $file in.. loop |
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| 20:27.48 | inv | dpkg: what's dwm ? |
| 20:27.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dwm is http://www.wmii.de/dwm/ |
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| 20:27.57 | inv | cool :) |
| 20:28.02 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, dwm is http://www.wmii.de/dwm/ |
| 20:28.02 | dpkg | JordiGH: i already had it that way |
| 20:28.03 | inv | dpkg: what's ion3 ? |
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| 20:28.07 | encompass | Benny: you may want to talk to the the bash irc room |
| 20:28.12 | bier_ | moshii: for won't work, i guess... |
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| 20:28.18 | stew | Benny: rename 's/ /_/' * |
| 20:28.32 | JordiGH | Oh, cool. dpkg automatically adds http:// to urls. |
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| 20:28.57 | inv | for i in *; do mv $ii `echo $i | tr " " "_"`; done |
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| 20:29.37 | stew | inv: that won't work |
| 20:29.49 | bier_ | inv: but what if you have a dir named "a b" - the for loop will do the "echo $i" for a AND for b... |
| 20:30.05 | bier_ | seperately... |
| 20:30.05 | tuv | he might need to add IFS='<\n>' |
| 20:30.22 | stew | or just rename 's/ /_/' * |
| 20:30.46 | stew | which works even for files with \n in the name |
| 20:30.56 | inv | y, quote variables |
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| 20:31.30 | stew | inv: no, your for loop wont work |
| 20:31.38 | inv | for i in *; do echo "$i" "`echo $i | tr " " "_"`"; done |
| 20:31.58 | tuv | inv, add IFS=' |
| 20:31.59 | tuv | ' |
| 20:32.01 | Benny | stew: Your code only works when there is only one space in the filename |
| 20:32.05 | tuv | in front of your for loop |
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| 20:32.18 | stew | Benny: oh, use 's/ /_/g' then |
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| 20:32.33 | js_ | or simply, ${i// /_} |
| 20:32.36 | Benny | stew: ok ty |
| 20:32.38 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to know how much memory your graphics card is using? |
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| 20:32.58 | js_ | Led_Zeppelin: perhaps /proc/mtrr tells, im not sure |
| 20:33.12 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm |
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| 20:33.17 | Led_Zeppelin | i hope there is a way |
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| 20:33.55 | TobiX | Arrg, Shell Portability is going to kill me... |
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| 20:35.01 | TobiX | Consider this nice shell fragment from one arcane glibc Makefile: echo "\"Available extensions:\\n\"" |
| 20:35.29 | TobiX | It works "correct" with bash, but fails with dash or zsh... |
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| 20:37.47 | JordiGH | Isn't sh, the "default" shell? |
| 20:38.22 | JordiGH | Ah, nvm. sh is just a symlink to bash in my system. :P |
| 20:38.33 | Benny | stew: Is there a way to rename all Files with high cases inside in lower cases only ? |
| 20:38.42 | inv | what has freeBSD OSS or ALSA ? |
| 20:38.44 | inv | by default |
| 20:39.30 | bier_ | inv: i don't believe that *bsd has alsa... but i don't know... at least alsa means advanced LINUX sound architecture... |
| 20:39.34 | TobiX | JordiGH: If you install dash you have the choice to set that as the default shell, which sometimes generates funny stuff like this... |
| 20:39.44 | moshii | inv: It has it's own |
| 20:40.10 | stew | Benny: one way is: rename 's/(.*)/lc($1)/e' * |
| 20:40.13 | stew | Benny: i'm sure there are others |
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| 20:40.59 | inv | I know its possible to setup alsa to bsd |
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| 20:42.11 | moshii | inv: really? alsa emulation on top of the *bsd drivers maybe? |
| 20:42.24 | bier_ | never tried something *bsd-ish... so i don't know |
| 20:42.41 | g333k_work | hi, how can I install a broadcom bcm4318 airforce 54g wirelles lan card? |
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| 20:42.58 | bier_ | g333k_work: by using google :P |
| 20:43.17 | bier_ | joke, i don't know ;) |
| 20:43.30 | moshii | g333k_work: that could be one of the chipsets supported in that new fancy broadcom driver... |
| 20:43.36 | moshii | eitherway .. google ;) |
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| 20:43.50 | bier_ | so... it was no joke, i guess :P |
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| 20:44.56 | piper69 | tuv: i did the kernal update , and i restart but still when i do uname -r i see 2.4 |
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| 20:45.13 | moshii | piper69: did you update your bootloader? |
| 20:45.21 | stew | piper69: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 20:45.21 | moshii | piper69: it's configuration at least |
| 20:45.28 | tuv | piper69, do you get a list of kernels on boot? |
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| 20:46.11 | piper69 | i just did the "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686" |
| 20:46.24 | piper69 | what else do i need to do |
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| 20:46.37 | cydork | piper69, do yu use grub?? |
| 20:46.40 | cydork | you even |
| 20:46.41 | stew | piper69: it depends on if you use grub or lilo |
| 20:47.07 | piper69 | stew: i think i use grub, how can i check |
| 20:47.14 | g333k_work | moshii, what do I need to install just the bcm43xx file? |
| 20:47.33 | stew | piper69: which of the grub/lilo packages do you have installed |
| 20:48.24 | piper69 | stew: i don't really remember this box is at my work and i installed it long time ago, i play with it every once and a while when i get free time |
| 20:48.41 | inv | choose OSS, not ALSA |
| 20:49.02 | tuv | piper69, do "dpkg -l <package-name>" to check if it's installed or not |
| 20:49.12 | JordiGH | Does dpkg care what a .deb file is called? In particular, does it care about version numbers? |
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| 20:49.42 | bier_ | is there a way to use something like OR with grep? example: grep (a || b) file... so it greps a OR b...? anybody knows? |
| 20:49.44 | cydork | JordiGH, yes it does. |
| 20:50.15 | JordiGH | cydork: Okay. Good to know. I renamed a .deb accidentally, but now I've renamed it back. |
| 20:50.25 | piper69 | tuv am using grub then |
| 20:50.28 | stew | bier_: egrep "a|b" (and grep -E is the same as egrep) |
| 20:50.48 | bier_ | stew: thx |
| 20:51.24 | tuv | piper69, do you get a list of kernels on boot? |
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| 20:51.40 | piper69 | tuv; i didn't pay attention to that |
| 20:51.59 | piper69 | tuv: which file i can cat |
| 20:52.13 | tuv | piper69, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:52.20 | bier_ | stew: so with grep it would be grep -E "a|b" $myfile...? |
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| 20:52.33 | stew | piper69: check if you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 20:52.47 | tuv | piper69, grep 2.6 /boot/grub/menu.lst and paste the result here |
| 20:52.53 | stew | bier_: yes |
| 20:53.19 | stew | piper69: no, don't paste here |
| 20:53.31 | bier_ | stew: thank you again... searchd for this about a week or so ;-) |
| 20:53.48 | piper69 | tuv: i think i should paste it in the flood |
| 20:53.53 | piper69 | is that okay |
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| 20:54.06 | tuv | piper69, how many lines did you get? |
| 20:54.22 | piper69 | tuv: 6 |
| 20:54.34 | bier_ | (please don't worry about my [maybe] bad english - i'm from germany... -.- |
| 20:54.36 | bier_ | ) |
| 20:54.45 | tuv | piper69, go ahead |
| 20:54.57 | tuv | piper69, in #flood |
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| 20:55.41 | piper69 | err |
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| 20:56.16 | Fare | hum. How long does it take between the time a package is uploaded, and the time it makes it to mirrors? |
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| 20:57.15 | stew | bier_: your english seems just fine |
| 20:57.45 | inv | found review: "Some OSS drivers are truly excellent. An example is the EMU10k1 driver, which is the heart of the Soundblaster Live and the Soundblaster PCI 512." |
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| 20:58.01 | Roey | inv: ah |
| 20:58.07 | bier_ | stew: thank you ;-) |
| 20:58.15 | Roey | inv: do you know which audigy2 is good? |
| 20:58.16 | Roey | er |
| 20:58.23 | Roey | has a digital-out ? |
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| 20:58.30 | Roey | that has thx/dts ? |
| 20:58.33 | inv | no, i don't |
| 20:58.47 | Roey | ah, alright. |
| 20:58.48 | JordiGH | bier_: I'm generally impressed with the level of maturity of #debian and how we all know that English is a second language to most of the world's English speakers, so we seem very forgiving about it. :-) |
| 20:58.48 | piper69_ | tuv: u got it |
| 20:58.49 | tuv | piper69, you probably missed the timed boot menu. grub offers a list of available kernels on boot and boots one of them if you don't choose any |
| 20:59.31 | piper69_ | tuv: oh i know what u r talking about it a blue screen , right , i didn't see that at all |
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| 21:00.15 | tuv | piper69, right.. use your up/down arrows to go to the 2.6 kernel (not the recovery one) and hit Enter |
| 21:00.24 | Roey | hi |
| 21:00.27 | AcuraX | Is there a way to install kde without updating X? |
| 21:00.29 | tuv | piper69, if it works fine you can make it the default later on |
| 21:00.32 | Roey | how do I force a 'Y' to apt-listbugs ? |
| 21:00.33 | AcuraX | well update kde |
| 21:00.40 | ootput | I currently have a single local apt-repo (created by apt-move) that serves (via http) my sarge box. The apt-move.conf on that sarge box is default save for a LOCALDIR= that points to an nfs mount. My network also consists of several etch boxes, and I would like to sync those boxes to the apt-repo. The LOCALDIR= on these boxes points to the same nfs mount as my sarge box, and I'd thought that modifying 'DIST' to 'testing' would prevent clobbering. ... |
| 21:00.46 | ootput | ... However with a test run, it appears that packages from etch will end up in the 'stable' directory of the apt-repo.. something I'd like to avoid. Have any of you any experience with this matter? |
| 21:01.04 | piper69_ | tuv: i lost u there? |
| 21:01.19 | bier_ | JohnDoh: the funny thing about this is that we have FRENCH in school... but i never use it, even if i had it 9 years in the school... english is different, i had it 4 years... i understand most of the things thyt people talk here... |
| 21:01.37 | bier_ | er, that was to JordiGH ;) |
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| 21:02.36 | GrimWald | bier_ > to talk french you must talk wth french people ^^ |
| 21:02.40 | tuv | piper69, reboot and choose the newly installed 2.6 kernel when offered the blue screen menu |
| 21:02.41 | GrimWald | speak* |
| 21:03.14 | tuv | piper69, if it works fine you can make it the default kernel so that you don't have to choose it every time you reboot |
| 21:03.28 | bier_ | GrimWald: the problem is that french people speak german ;) |
| 21:03.39 | GrimWald | i don't :) |
| 21:03.53 | bier_ | at least most of them do... ;) |
| 21:04.17 | piper69_ | tuv:but i don't get the blue screen |
| 21:04.21 | ootput | bier_: why is that? |
| 21:04.32 | GrimWald | most of us learn english and spanish |
| 21:04.59 | tuv | piper69, do you have lilo installed as well? |
| 21:05.06 | piper69_ | yes |
| 21:05.10 | piper69_ | tuv: yes |
| 21:05.17 | bier_ | if i go to a french market and say "je voudrais..." then the french guy says (in german): "what do you want, dude?!"... so you have no chance to talk french, even if you are in france... ;) |
| 21:05.40 | Xteven | come to southern .be |
| 21:05.43 | inv | need to rebuild nvidia driver manually after downgrade kernel ? |
| 21:05.46 | Xteven | they only speak french there |
| 21:05.57 | tuv | piper69, then you're probably using lilo. i think you can switch to grub by running "grub-install /dev/hda" as root |
| 21:06.12 | ootput | inv: custom kernel? |
| 21:06.16 | inv | no |
| 21:06.25 | bier_ | ootput: don't know - maybe german is a little bit easier then german... |
| 21:06.27 | inv | sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:06.34 | ootput | inv: how did you go about installing the driver? |
| 21:06.49 | ootput | bier_: really? |
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| 21:07.11 | piper69_ | tuv |
| 21:07.11 | tuv | inv, use module-assistant |
| 21:07.14 | GrimWald | bier_ > if you go to a french market near germany yes but in 95% of france that's not true |
| 21:07.15 | GrimWald | :/ |
| 21:07.16 | tuv | piper69, yes |
| 21:07.16 | bier_ | ootput: don't know.. i guess ;-) |
| 21:07.19 | inv | ootput: m-a y |
| 21:07.26 | piper69_ | tuv: let me restart and see what will happen then |
| 21:07.31 | inv | so I need to do it again |
| 21:07.46 | inv | not automaticaly I mean :) |
| 21:08.07 | ootput | inv: if you're using sarge, isn't 2.6.8 the newest? why is that a 'downgrade'? |
| 21:08.10 | tuv | inv, any kernel modules compiled for one kernel will need to be recompiled for any other kernel |
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| 21:08.32 | inv | ootput: I use testing now |
| 21:08.46 | dpst | Hi, you folks know of some Mule (Donkey) p2p programs that work in text mode ? |
| 21:08.52 | JordiGH | Curious, do the French still think that their language rules the world? |
| 21:09.00 | stew | inv: do you have the udev package installed? |
| 21:09.04 | bier_ | GrimWald: yes, that's true... we germans SHOULD know a few words of german, but most of us don't... |
| 21:09.06 | inv | tuv, I just thought that apt-get would make it |
| 21:09.07 | JordiGH | Sorry... I'm trolling. |
| 21:09.14 | GrimWald | hu ? |
| 21:09.15 | jetx | apt-cache search mule |
| 21:09.28 | inv | stew: Y, I have |
| 21:09.30 | JordiGH | !hu |
| 21:09.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 21:09.32 | tuv | inv, module-assistant would: "m-a a-i nvidia" |
| 21:09.36 | jetx | !fix-unmet |
| 21:09.36 | dpkg | fix-unmet is probably run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 21:09.48 | inv | tuv, thx |
| 21:09.50 | i3d | how to change the default font color under console? |
| 21:09.58 | sanmarcos | depends on the console i3d |
| 21:10.16 | sanmarcos | .bashrc could do it |
| 21:10.30 | stew | inv: it, and everything that depends on it will stop working if you use a kernel < 2.6.15 |
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| 21:10.44 | ootput | sanmarcos: that's a shell issu |
| 21:10.48 | ootput | +e |
| 21:11.11 | i3d | sanmarcos: can you specify how? |
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| 21:11.30 | sanmarcos | see the export PS1 line |
| 21:11.32 | inv | stew: ?! why ? |
| 21:11.56 | stew | inv: it depends on newer sysfs features |
| 21:12.13 | inv | hm |
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| 21:12.34 | inv | I ddidn't think there is so big different |
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| 21:12.56 | Suprano_ | how can i see which process use which port ? |
| 21:13.02 | montoya | the stable version of debian is releaed today? |
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| 21:13.34 | linux3 | hey does anyone here know how i can remove a program with the filename "-r.tgz" |
| 21:13.37 | linux3 | i didn't mean to make it |
| 21:13.39 | jetx | !it |
| 21:13.40 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 21:13.41 | blondie | montoya: there's been stable versions of debian for years. |
| 21:13.42 | linux3 | but now i can't remove it |
| 21:14.00 | jetx | !etch |
| 21:14.00 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:14.28 | blondie | linux3: rm -- -r.tgx |
| 21:14.32 | blondie | linux3: rm -- -r.tgz |
| 21:14.45 | ootput | linux3: what's the problem? |
| 21:14.58 | inv | stew: so will it be very hard to downgrade to 2.6.8 ? and better to don't do it ? |
| 21:15.06 | montoya | <dpkg> per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. --> it's for me? |
| 21:15.12 | linux3 | blondie, thanks, that did the trick |
| 21:16.29 | linux3 | can someone now help me with cron and my backup manager |
| 21:16.36 | linux3 | i have this in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 21:16.37 | linux3 | 0 4 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/backup-manager && /usr/sbin/backup-manager |
| 21:16.50 | sanmarcos | and |
| 21:16.50 | linux3 | o wan't backup-manager to run every week not everyday |
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| 21:16.57 | sanmarcos | man cron |
| 21:17.13 | linux3 | sanmarcos, well i already did that, but im just way to new to cron. a few tips would be nice |
| 21:17.19 | sanmarcos | man 5 crontab |
| 21:17.42 | sanmarcos | @weekly |
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| 21:19.35 | SevenIsPrime | Hi all |
| 21:20.20 | SevenIsPrime | I have a usb scanner, which gets detected fine with sane-find-scanner and works like a charm under "root". Now I need to find out how to set permissions so users can access the device as well. |
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| 21:21.16 | sanmarcos | SevenIsPrime: there are groups |
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| 21:21.21 | sanmarcos | usually a sane group or something |
| 21:21.31 | JordiGH | chmod 777 /dev/scanner :P |
| 21:21.40 | sanmarcos | scanner group |
| 21:21.42 | sanmarcos | JordiGH: no |
| 21:21.47 | sanmarcos | NO, DONT DO THAT |
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| 21:22.05 | sanmarcos | adduser youruser scanner |
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| 21:22.25 | JordiGH | Oh, come now. Is there even a /dev/scanner ? :-) |
| 21:22.31 | kevinG | do you guys know how to get Totem to play .mpg files in 64 bit ubuntu? |
| 21:22.31 | SevenIsPrime | the problem is that it is hotplugged and it is not always the same device on the same bus. For example, now it is usb:001:002. But next time it might be usb:002:001 or something else. |
| 21:22.45 | JordiGH | kevinG: No, but maybe #ubuntu does! |
| 21:22.49 | sanmarcos | that can be fixed with udev SevenIsPrime |
| 21:22.59 | sanmarcos | but udev is motherfucking evil, so forget it |
| 21:23.07 | sanmarcos | just add your user to the scanner group |
| 21:23.10 | sanmarcos | maybe plugdev if needed |
| 21:23.13 | kevinG | d'oh, i'm in the wrong channel >.< |
| 21:23.30 | jetx | zomg! |
| 21:23.36 | SevenIsPrime | yeah, I have had difficulties with udev before. That's why I am here :) |
| 21:23.54 | jetx | youdev |
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| 21:24.23 | sanmarcos | SevenIsPrime: udev is a great concept, but the devil implemented it |
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| 21:25.13 | SevenIsPrime | sanmarcos: :) |
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| 21:27.50 | i3d | sanmarcos: I play a little of PS1, I can change the editing font color but not the default display color though |
| 21:28.26 | alexd | Hi I need some help intallling the broadcom bcm4318 in debian etch with kernel 2.6.2 |
| 21:28.37 | alexd | Hi I need some help intallling the broadcom bcm4318 in debian etch with kernel 2.6.16 |
| 21:28.38 | sanmarcos | i3d: #bash |
| 21:28.43 | sanmarcos | !broadcom |
| 21:28.43 | dpkg | hmm... broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
| 21:29.39 | JordiGH | They forgot udev: http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1496 |
| 21:31.49 | Roey | do enough people still use 2.2.x to spur its continued development? |
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| 21:32.27 | stew | Roey: lots of people use 2.0 still |
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| 21:32.40 | Roey | stew: ahh |
| 21:32.50 | Roey | stew: but enough to merit development? |
| 21:32.56 | stew | Roey: for instance tivos run 2.0 last i checked |
| 21:33.09 | Roey | ah |
| 21:33.16 | stew | Roey: i dont' believe any development happens other than fixes being backported |
| 21:33.20 | Roey | but /mainline/ development has basically stopped, right? |
| 21:33.40 | Roey | btw, hey stew |
| 21:33.53 | stew | Roey: yes, mainline development is only happening in 2.6.17 |
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| 21:35.01 | Roey | stew: oh, ok. Well then, by 'mainline' I meant 'official', as in, development that is not limited to the confines of a company |
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| 21:36.03 | stew | Roey: right, then its only 2.6.17. otherwise its all bugfixing |
| 21:36.26 | DaBlade | Does anyone know how Enlightenment DR17 is progressing? I tried it a year ago, but it was as stable as Windows after five months with no antivirus, anti-spyware and firewall. |
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| 21:37.33 | Bushmills | DaBlade: not myself, just read an article in a recent linux paper, according that one it works nicely |
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| 21:38.13 | DaBlade | Bushmills: Ok.. |
| 21:38.14 | Roey | stew: aye, thanks |
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| 21:38.14 | DaBlade | Bushmills: Good enough to be able to replace KDE? |
| 21:38.14 | inv2004 | why don't network card and emu10k1 load automaticaly ? |
| 21:38.17 | inv2004 | just setupped 2.6.8 |
| 21:38.19 | stew | inv2004: add them to /etc/modules |
| 21:38.20 | Bushmills | DaBlade: they recommend engage with it |
| 21:38.46 | inv2004 | stew: I know, but it loaded automaticaly in 2.6.16 |
| 21:38.48 | stew | Roey: click on one of the "Changelog" links on kenrel.org for something other than 2.6.17/18 and you'll see only bugfixes afaik |
| 21:38.50 | JordiGH | Good enough to be able to replace KDE? Unthinkable. :> |
| 21:39.09 | stew | inv2004: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:39.16 | Roey | stew: well there's a new .38 version of 2.4.x |
| 21:39.24 | Roey | stew: so I wonder what that's all about. Bugfixing? |
| 21:39.30 | inv2004 | stew: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:39.35 | DaBlade | Bushmills: Remind me, what was engage again? |
| 21:39.50 | piper69 | tuv: it worked |
| 21:39.59 | stew | inv2004: becuase udev was loading them for you and now udev isn't working |
| 21:40.15 | tuv | piper69, great |
| 21:40.15 | Bushmills | DaBlade: graphical toolbar to launch apps |
| 21:40.20 | piper69 | tuv: i pluged the usb and i can see the files on it |
| 21:40.22 | stew | Roey: the latest 2.4 i see on kernel.org is 2.4.33.3 |
| 21:40.24 | inv2004 | stew: ok, thx, understand |
| 21:40.43 | DaBlade | Ok |
| 21:41.01 | piper69 | tuv: but i have music on the linux box and when i copy them to the usb and take it to windows ...the windows bos doesn't see my mp3's |
| 21:41.11 | Roey | stew: I saw something today on a new release. |
| 21:41.26 | DaBlade | piper69: Find an app called explore2fs |
| 21:42.17 | piper69 | !dpkg explore2fs |
| 21:42.17 | dpkg | explore2fs is, like, a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 21:42.20 | tuv | piper69, did you format your usb on linux? do you know what filesystem do you use on it: fat, ext2, ext3,...etc |
| 21:42.42 | piper69 | tuv: no i format it in windows |
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| 21:42.55 | jelly-home | I've done an upgrade and now make menuconfig fails with make saying it can't find ncurses-devel. I do have libncurses5-dev and libncursesw5-dev installed. I've changed the /usr/bin/gcc link back to gcc-4.0 to be able to compile modules for my current kernel, could that be a problem? |
| 21:43.11 | tuv | piper69, can you see any file on the usb on windows? |
| 21:43.25 | inv2004 | oh fuck, in 2.6.8 nvidia conflict with rivafb :) |
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| 21:43.40 | inv2004 | will try unstable then |
| 21:43.45 | DaBlade | inv2004: Do you need a framebuffer? |
| 21:43.53 | piper69 | tuv: i see the ones i have already on it which they are windows file, but when i copy something from linux i can't see it |
| 21:44.06 | inv2004 | DaBlade: no, but I don't want to recompile kernel |
| 21:44.22 | DaBlade | Just unload the module... |
| 21:44.25 | inv2004 | DaBlade: trying to build nvidia drivers |
| 21:44.49 | inv2004 | what module ? |
| 21:44.51 | tuv | piper69, do you "unmount" the usb before you unplug it from the linux box? |
| 21:44.54 | DaBlade | rivafb |
| 21:45.04 | inv2004 | ls | grep rivafb = null |
| 21:45.10 | piper69 | tuv: no? |
| 21:45.17 | inv2004 | I think it enabled in kernel default config |
| 21:45.20 | DaBlade | inv2004: Then you're screwed. :P |
| 21:45.22 | piper69 | tuv how can i do that |
| 21:45.44 | tuv | piper69, you should see an icon for the usb on your desktop after you plug it in linux. right-click on it and select "unmount" |
| 21:46.00 | piper69 | k |
| 21:46.32 | DaBlade | piper69: If that doesn't work, do lsusb, find the device (something like /dev/sda1) and do as root: umount (device) |
| 21:46.56 | DaBlade | Or wait, not lsusb, dmesg |
| 21:47.07 | Rick77 | I get the error 'failed to execute child process "gksu" no such file or directory ' when I try to open Synaptic |
| 21:47.24 | DaBlade | Rick77: If you have kde, do kdesu synaptic |
| 21:47.30 | DaBlade | If not, try apt-get installing gksu |
| 21:47.58 | Rick77 | DaBlade: cool let me try to install that |
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| 21:48.55 | Rick77 | how come apt-get doesn't detect the dependencies ? |
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| 21:49.12 | DaBlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.17 | DaBlade | It did ^ |
| 21:49.31 | DaBlade | For me at least |
| 21:49.36 | Rick77 | hehe |
| 21:49.40 | tuv | Rick77, synaptic recommends gksu and does not depend on it |
| 21:49.50 | Rick77 | oh |
| 21:49.51 | DaBlade | Oh |
| 21:49.53 | DaBlade | That's what he meant |
| 21:50.19 | DaBlade | Rick77: Either way, install KDE. :P |
| 21:50.32 | piper69 | now even the usb it not working again |
| 21:50.32 | cydork | KDE?? |
| 21:50.33 | DaBlade | If not for average use, then at least it's good to have as a backup |
| 21:50.39 | inv2004 | could you say, does 2.6.17-2-686 has OSS and rivafs disabled ? |
| 21:50.41 | tuv | he probably doesn't have all gnome packages installed. gnome-system-tools depends on gksu |
| 21:50.57 | tuv | Rick77, do you have the "gnome" meta package installed? |
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| 21:51.41 | Rick77 | tuv: i just finished installing from scratch. I installed x window system and then gnome |
| 21:51.49 | inv2004 | OSS enabled, and rivafs disabled |
| 21:52.00 | Rick77 | ok its working now |
| 21:52.08 | tuv | Rick77, well gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment > gnome-system-tools ->gksu |
| 21:52.16 | DaBlade | Good to hear |
| 21:52.21 | Rick77 | DaBlade: thanks |
| 21:52.36 | DaBlade | Don't know why you'd prefer GNOME though... :P |
| 21:52.58 | cydork | DaBlade, shut up :) |
| 21:53.02 | DaBlade | I'm kidding. |
| 21:53.05 | tuv | yeah |
| 21:53.07 | Rick77 | tuv: ok I run into a problem there because during the installation there is no type of warning regarding that so I just had to guess |
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| 21:53.44 | tuv | RichiH, what problem? what did you have to guess? |
| 21:54.40 | Rick77 | tuv: I installed using the base cd |
| 21:54.49 | tuv | so |
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| 21:57.16 | Rick77 | so after that it asks you to select the sources for apt and then it asks you want to install. I had the option to install web server, mailserver or workstation. I chose workstation that it normaly runs fine but this time there was a problem and I had to restart |
| 21:57.59 | tuv | Rick77, hmm.. is that stable install cd? |
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| 21:58.02 | Rick77 | when It boot back I wasn't sure how to continue where i left off |
| 21:58.57 | Rick77 | tuv: It should be, however I think the error was because of a floppy I had inside |
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| 21:59.56 | tuv | Rick77, because newer installer cd's (e.g. from testing) don't have "workstation" task anymore. they have "desktop environment" instead |
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| 22:00.11 | Rick77 | oh |
| 22:00.23 | tuv | Rick77, and btw, you can have that list any time by running "tasksel" |
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| 22:00.33 | tuv | Rick77, or in "aptitude" |
| 22:00.51 | Rick77 | tuv: cool, that was my next question |
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| 22:01.29 | tuv | Rick77, we answer your questions without you asking them here at #debian ;) |
| 22:01.49 | Rick77 | hehe |
| 22:02.41 | Rick77 | I was trying to do the same thing with centos but too much trouble. nothing like good old Debian |
| 22:03.49 | tuv | Rick77, you'll be amazed at how nice the new testing installer looks now |
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| 22:08.36 | ceegee | hello |
| 22:08.53 | originalwada | hi |
| 22:09.07 | Vyrus001 | problem... im using vinila kernel sources, and im trying to compile a driver, i keep geting "kernel configuration not valid" and then somthing about runing make repair... wich i run, and it finishes, and dosent work... anybody know how to fix this err ? |
| 22:09.30 | jetx | start over |
| 22:09.40 | jetx | untar a fresh copy |
| 22:09.49 | ceegee | are there known issues with Broadcom 5789 Gigabit Ethernet controller and the debian sarge netinstall cd? seems like there is no kernel module for this card in the installation kernel nor? |
| 22:10.42 | jetx | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 22:10.42 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 22:11.02 | jetx | the last, if you have to |
| 22:11.15 | jetx | no idea though |
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| 22:11.37 | roger21 | re |
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| 22:12.43 | tennin | hi, any advice on transferring a complete Debian system from one computer to another? is this practical? |
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| 22:13.36 | ph00 | tennin, I would install from scratc, then move the HDD from the old to the new machnie and copy eventual needed data |
| 22:13.43 | ph00 | h |
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| 22:13.49 | Zmanu | hello |
| 22:13.50 | TobiX | tennin: Just use partimage? Or maybe rsync? |
| 22:14.03 | Zmanu | i'm looking for the program to select mirror ? |
| 22:14.23 | Rick77 | TobiX: what if the hardware is different ? |
| 22:14.26 | tennin | yeah, I plan to move an HDD with the entire filesystem. |
| 22:14.35 | tennin | But I'm afraid that slightly different HW could screw things up |
| 22:14.44 | jetx | just fstab and grub's menu.lst or lilo.conf |
| 22:14.56 | ph00 | for me, a newly installed system is *always* better than a copied-over system (unless you have to keep some stuff you can't install yourself) |
| 22:15.03 | TobiX | tennin: Be sure to not use yaird then ;) |
| 22:15.14 | jetx | i just moved an hd from an xp 2400 to a p3 550 |
| 22:15.35 | Rick77 | jetx: no errors ? |
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| 22:15.40 | inv2004 | uf, it works |
| 22:16.04 | jetx | nah... just make sure the kernel isn't arch specific when you change... i keep a -386 around |
| 22:16.32 | tennin | will -686 not work with AMD hw? |
| 22:16.50 | jetx | one doesn't iirc, or didn't once on me... i never try |
| 22:17.01 | inv2004 | how is it possible to disable loading of alsa (modules) ? |
| 22:17.05 | jetx | but i forget which was which |
| 22:17.19 | jetx | !blacklist |
| 22:17.19 | dpkg | well, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:17.32 | TobiX | Rick77: If the architecture is the same there should be not a big problem... Just make sure you use an generic enough kernel and a dynamic init-ramdisk creator (yaird is a very bad idea for this scenario) |
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| 22:18.18 | jetx | only the -386 is a stock debian kernel for me |
| 22:18.31 | jetx | so he has a good point |
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| 22:18.37 | Zmanu | nobody know program to select mirrors ? |
| 22:18.46 | jetx | apt-spy |
| 22:18.56 | eugman | Would debian be suitable for a 1995 macantosh? |
| 22:19.08 | TobiX | inv2004: In testing and unstable "sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" |
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| 22:19.21 | inv2004 | thx |
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| 22:19.41 | smax | hey |
| 22:20.06 | Rick77 | TobiX: thaks |
| 22:20.24 | tennin | hmm |
| 22:20.39 | Thaiger | I know this is a little bit OT, but I'm trying to setup a debian cluster, but I not only want to share CPU power, but I want to share disk space. Does anyone know of a program that would let me share the disk space? |
| 22:21.08 | Bushmills | Zmanu: try netselect or netselect-apt |
| 22:21.24 | Zmanu | Bushmills: thanks |
| 22:21.28 | Bushmills | np |
| 22:21.37 | smax | from a knoppix CD, i get the error message from the parted program (disk resizing) ... Error: The partition table on /dev/hda is inconsistent. most likly reasons is that linux detected the BIOS geometry for /dev/hda incorrectlyy. GNU suspect the real geometry should be 7476/255/63 (not 119150/16/63). |
| 22:22.13 | smax | why should the end user have to go through this trouble |
| 22:22.41 | Bushmills | good question. maybe the knoppix folks can tell you? |
| 22:22.53 | smax | but its a debian drive |
| 22:23.00 | smax | hda is my hard drive |
| 22:23.13 | tuv | btw, what does parted exactly do? the same as fdisk? |
| 22:23.18 | jelly-home | smax: because the authors couldn't figure out a safe way to do it? |
| 22:23.25 | jelly-home | tuv: more like Partition Magic. |
| 22:23.29 | tuv | or can it handle filesystems as well |
| 22:23.31 | Bushmills | tuv, no |
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| 22:24.07 | tuv | jelly-home, well partition magic can resize both partitions and filesystems. can parted do that? |
| 22:24.07 | Rick77 | Thaiger: have you looked at http://www.linux-ha.org/ |
| 22:24.13 | jelly-home | tuv: yes. |
| 22:24.29 | TobiX | tuv: yes, for many filesystems |
| 22:24.32 | smax | wait a tick fdisk /dev/hda6 works |
| 22:24.41 | smax | it's parted and or qtparted that sucks |
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| 22:25.06 | tuv | nice.. i just resized an ext3 paritions few days ago using both resize2fs and fdisk. wasn't easy |
| 22:25.31 | TobiX | tuv: See http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/#features for a list of suuported operations |
| 22:25.53 | i3d | how to change the default font color under console? |
| 22:26.15 | jelly-home | smax: you're lucky, gparted here just assumed the wrong geometry and made windows very unhappy. |
| 22:26.17 | smax | i was installing a game, but it consumed too much disk space and now i have to manually partition my tables so i can boot back into debian. |
| 22:27.11 | jelly-home | smax: wtf? you shouldn't have to repartition just because you filled up one of them. |
| 22:27.40 | smax | well debian was working fine before i installed this game. and it is a fresh installation of debian 3.2 |
| 22:27.43 | smax | err 3.1 |
| 22:28.26 | jelly-home | smax: you're either doing something the wrong way, or the game installed stuff in your non-windows partitions, which I think is unlikely |
| 22:29.09 | smax | i jus ran the script from the cd in inserted the disks as told |
| 22:29.29 | smax | the game installed to / |
| 22:29.36 | jelly-home | smax: was this a game for Linux? |
| 22:29.37 | smax | rather than /home |
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| 22:29.46 | smax | yes, unreal tournament 2004 |
| 22:29.52 | smax | it provides a linux script |
| 22:30.03 | smax | and the system requirements on the cd says linux as well |
| 22:30.48 | jelly-home | smax: ah, so. Sounds like you shot yourself in the foot. ;-) |
| 22:31.12 | tuv | does the resize command of parted resize both the partition and the filesystem within or only the partition? |
| 22:31.27 | cydork | so wht did i miss? |
| 22:31.31 | jelly-home | tuv: it does the expected (ie. both) |
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| 22:33.25 | smax | fdisk -l /dev/hda6 (unmounted) shows the innfo about it such as # of tracks yet "doesent contain a valid partition table". it mounts to /home in /etc/fstab |
| 22:33.36 | jelly-home | tuv: hm, actually I'm not sure, I used resize only in the gui (gparted or qtparted) |
| 22:34.17 | tuv | jelly, are the gui's still unstable? i don't remember trying using any without them crashing on me |
| 22:34.27 | TobiX | smax: Don't use fdisk on partitions! |
| 22:34.32 | smax | ok ok |
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| 22:34.36 | smax | what do you prefer ? |
| 22:34.50 | TobiX | disks? like /dev/hda |
| 22:34.55 | smax | yea |
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| 22:35.02 | smax | to resize / and /home |
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| 22:37.32 | Random | hi can someone maybe provide me some hints why "pmount sda mp3player" would fail ... it has always worked for me and just stopped |
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| 22:39.11 | cydork | Random, i am guess it's a sda1 right, try pmount /dev/sda1 |
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| 22:39.28 | Random | i can try mountint that |
| 22:39.44 | cydork | Random, that should mount it at /media/sda1 or somethin. |
| 22:40.49 | Random | nothing getting mounted sorry |
| 22:41.41 | cydork | Random, do you see it /dev/sda1 in /proc/partitions |
| 22:41.55 | Random | sec i will look |
| 22:42.03 | inv2004 | alsa-utils depends on python - suxx |
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| 22:42.37 | Random | if i do a more /proc/partitions i see nothing for sda(xxx) |
| 22:43.10 | Random | my /var/log/syslog/ shows Sep 1 18:41:53 localhost kernel: usb 4-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 |
| 22:43.14 | Random | and i can see device using usbview |
| 22:43.21 | cydork | Random, load usb_storage and sd_mod modules |
| 22:43.22 | Random | thats all i know normally |
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| 22:43.40 | jelly-home | inv2004: you are free to reimplement /usr/bin/asoundconf in some other language. :-P |
| 22:44.04 | Random | yeah that'll do it :-) |
| 22:44.27 | Random | thanks |
| 22:44.35 | cydork | Random, np |
| 22:44.40 | Random | will insmod put it there forever |
| 22:44.49 | Random | i must have only did modprobe? |
| 22:44.56 | raf256 | why in the hells name |
| 22:45.08 | stoned | blade 2 |
| 22:45.11 | Random | put there forever ... meaning load module at boot |
| 22:45.14 | raf256 | there is no "ionice" program for debian :[ any idea where to find sources? googling results are dissapointing |
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| 22:45.19 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:45.30 | smax | i'll just install gentoo |
| 22:45.42 | cydork | did he say gentoo?? |
| 22:45.47 | cydork | why? |
| 22:45.59 | tuv | smax, what's wrong with parted? |
| 22:46.07 | raf256 | !gentoosmite smacnay |
| 22:46.12 | raf256 | ah, I missed! |
| 22:46.27 | cydork | raf256, hehhe |
| 22:47.08 | jelly-home | raf256: Documentation/block/ioprio.txt |
| 22:47.11 | tuv | he had a problem with debian so he switches to gentoo.. what a fool-proof policy. if he is not back he won't run linux at all |
| 22:47.28 | raf256 | oh my fucking god |
| 22:47.37 | raf256 | jelly-home: indeed, lol, I just googled it in same moment =) |
| 22:47.40 | raf256 | here http://developer.osdl.org/dev/robustmutexes/src/fusyn.hg/Documentation/block/ioprio.txt |
| 22:48.12 | raf256 | is the devloper of that software partially retarded? go make a SF.NET page for your tool or something, mon! O_o |
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| 22:48.54 | raf256 | can I make a debian package for that tool? is there some ready to use template? |
| 22:49.05 | jelly-home | raf256: why? its a wrapper around the ionice syscall. |
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| 22:49.25 | raf256 | jelly-home: to be able to do apt-get install ionice && ionice ... ? |
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| 22:49.48 | jelly-home | raf256: the tool is almost trivial. |
| 22:49.54 | raf256 | compiling from manually downloaded source seem to make meany users not too happy, this is not Gentoo, is it |
| 22:49.59 | g333k_work | hi, I'm trying to convert a html 2 ps using html2ps, I'm doing the following command: $html2ps -W a -b http://www.dc.fi.udc.es/os/~afyanez/info-vi/index.html pagina.ps, to put everything and the links within the web page into a ps file, is that corect? |
| 22:50.04 | raf256 | it is trivial for me. and the community? |
| 22:50.16 | raf256 | it is not like we are in #gentoo |
| 22:51.01 | jelly-home | raf256: arguably users that don't know how to compile a single file c program should not things like that. |
| 22:51.03 | tuv | raf256, despite your good intentions, that wasn't nice |
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| 22:51.30 | raf256 | jelly-home: what? all users should be able to set process to trully batch status |
| 22:51.45 | raf256 | and to boost up their movie-player / game / whatever to real time |
| 22:52.08 | jelly-home | raf256: but yes, kernel developers sometimes don't care about userland much. feel free to make a better ionice tool and submit it somewhere. |
| 22:52.29 | raf256 | nice not affecting IOniceness is embarassingly messed up in Linux Kernel. Good thing they finally fixed it. Yey for CK devels :) |
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| 22:52.57 | raf256 | jelly-home: this tool seems fine, but it is just .c not .deb. How to make a source debian package out of it and submit it to debian experimental? |
| 22:53.15 | jelly-home | raf256: /msg dpkg nm |
| 22:53.19 | raf256 | like, where to download example source of simple .deb that consists of one .c |
| 22:53.37 | dendrite | raf256: apt-get install hello |
| 22:54.07 | raf256 | apt-get source hello rather? |
| 22:54.20 | dendrite | raf256: Whatever. :-) |
| 22:55.18 | jelly-home | raf256: sorry, I meant /msg dpkg mg |
| 22:55.40 | jelly-home | raf256: also, ionice doesn't work for all i/o, only for reads. |
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| 22:57.24 | raf256 | jelly-home: just reads? wtf |
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| 23:00.01 | jelly-home | raf256: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/4/28/246 |
| 23:00.47 | raf256 | sweet jesus |
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| 23:01.38 | raf256 | how hard it is to implement fine priorities system in a kernel with over 10 years of history. |
| 23:01.42 | cydork | i was thinkin i read it some where. http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2006-08/msg07513.html |
| 23:02.14 | jelly-home | raf256: extremely hard? |
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| 23:03.51 | raf256 | jelly-home: I don't really see how..? If nice process calls kernel to write() data 3-th time same second or something, then kernel will delay that transaction and instead run waitinh high priority process; after that finish the previous call.. or something? |
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| 23:05.38 | raf256 | or store pointer to the buffer beeing written, sleep the process that owns it, and go to other task; when returning controll to process first finish all delayed writes. I am just guessing, but shouldnt it be as simple as that? |
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| 23:08.03 | jelly-home | raf256: I'm sorry, I haven't ever written an OS so I don't know. I presume it's not that simple. |
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| 23:09.13 | jelly-home | raf256: I'm sorry, I haven't ever written an OS so I don't know. I don't think that io scheduling can be considered simple, however. |
| 23:09.56 | Vyrus001 | ok so im falowing instructions to install a device driver, and one of them sais to get a dir name from a file using the falowing command, sed -e "s:^FIRMWARE_DIR=\([^, ]*\).*:\1:P" /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent. only problem is this comes out blank, and im not super good with sed so i have no idea what its doing to this file, i just know that its not human readable.... can sombody tell me what this command is looking for ? |
| 23:11.26 | Stevie-O | anybody here know what 'fdb' stands for in reference to the bridging code? |
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| 23:12.38 | jelly-home | Vyrus001: try running it on /lib/udev/hotplug.functions instead |
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| 23:13.22 | Wyzard | Vyrus: It looks like it's trying to find a line like "FIRMWARE_DIR=/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware" in that file, and return the directory it names |
| 23:13.22 | jelly-home | Vyrus001: or just use /lib/firmware |
| 23:13.43 | Wyzard | Wouldn't /usr/local/lib/firmware be preferable for something that's manually installed? |
| 23:13.55 | Wyzard | It's one of udev's FIRMWARE_DIRS so it should work |
| 23:13.59 | minerale | when running gnome programs, the menus appear fine, but certan X programs such as Emacs and DDD show up with huge fonts, twice the size |
| 23:14.15 | Vyrus001 | jelly-home, neather work |
| 23:14.18 | minerale | where does x store the font size preferences ? |
| 23:14.28 | jelly-home | Wyzard: what if a device has to run at boot (before /usr/local is mounted)? |
| 23:14.40 | Wyzard | minerale: Emacs and DDD use the core X font mechanism, which is completely different from the XFT mechanism used by GNOME apps |
| 23:15.04 | Wyzard | jelly: Then you'd have a case for putting it in /lib, but other than that, /usr/local/lib is preferable |
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| 23:16.29 | minerale | wyzard: ok, 'core x font size' is not giving me meaningful google hits, any other name for that schema ? |
| 23:16.44 | jelly-home | Wyzard: meh, I don't put local kernel modules in /usr/local/lib, so I won't put firmware for them in /usr/local either, FHS be damned :-P |
| 23:18.47 | g333k_work | Hey can you help me to remember how to convert a html page with all the links within it to pdf? using html2ps and ps2pdf afterwards. |
| 23:19.37 | jelly-home | g333k_work: stupid untried idea: load the url in openoffice2 and export as pdf? |
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| 23:20.15 | g333k_work | jelly-home, I like console :p |
| 23:20.18 | Wyzard | jelly-home: There's no central configuration for core X fonts like there is for fonts in GNOME applications... it's a per-application thing |
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| 23:20.48 | Wyzard | jelly-home: but fonts at a given point size (say, 12pt) should appear about the same size with either system |
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| 23:21.18 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Did you change your GNOME font settings to make the font smaller in terms of point size? |
| 23:21.20 | jelly-home | Wyzard: that was someone else with the X fonts. |
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| 23:21.31 | Wyzard | jelly-home: oops, sorry |
| 23:21.34 | jelly-home | Wyzard: minerale ? |
| 23:21.40 | Wyzard | minerale: see what I just mistakenly said to jelly-home |
| 23:21.57 | g333k_work | jelly-home, I mean all links to one pdf, something like that: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html |
| 23:22.05 | cydork | g333k, there is a cups-pdf printer too |
| 23:22.47 | g333k_work | using html2ps and ps2pdf ? |
| 23:23.35 | jelly-home | g333k_work: they might have had something else as the original and both html and pdf as derived versions. |
| 23:23.40 | cydork | g333k_work, i have no idea what it uses but it does the same thing. |
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| 23:24.10 | g333k_work | I need a geek :p |
| 23:24.27 | cydork | huh? |
| 23:24.44 | jelly-home | g333k_work: oh, you just want internal links to work? |
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| 23:26.38 | minerale | wyzard: ok, I fixed it, I had installed the 100dpi fonts as well, and they were first in the path, removing the 100dpi fonts fixed it |
| 23:26.49 | Wyzard | minerale: That shouldn't be necessary though |
| 23:26.55 | g333k_work | jelly-home, I want to print this tutorials.... so I'm going to do an app that make system calls, thats why I need html2ps and ps2pdf |
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| 23:29.53 | jelly-home | g333k_work: well, I can't confirm that OO.o can do this, but if it can I'd ask OO.o folks about their scripting system. |
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| 23:30.44 | g333k_work | jelly-home, what is the meaning of OO.o ? |
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| 23:30.56 | jetscreamer | !oo |
| 23:30.56 | dpkg | from memory, oo is normally "object oriented", but lately it's come to mean "Open Office" too |
| 23:31.03 | jetscreamer | .org |
| 23:31.14 | g333k_work | ooo |
| 23:31.26 | dusty_ | Hey guys i think i messed up my packages db or whatever. I kept installing apache1 screwing up and removing it deleting the dirs, and then installing apache2 i repeated this a couple times.. then rm'ed everything i found with find / -name *apache* now when i come to install apache2 it only installs half the package, how can i fix this? |
| 23:31.30 | jelly-home | the cups-pdf printer also sounds nice. |
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| 23:31.54 | g333k_work | jelly-home, Well I'm sure that it's possible using just html2ps and ps2pdf, I did it before but I dotn remeber :( |
| 23:32.00 | g333k_work | dont remember now* |
| 23:32.10 | cydork | dusty_, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 23:33.03 | jetscreamer | --purge maybe first |
| 23:34.10 | dusty_ | thanks cydork !!! :) |
| 23:34.24 | cydork | jetscreamer, --purge is remove all the files. if you purge it no need to confimiss |
| 23:34.38 | cydork | confmiss even |
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| 23:36.02 | jetscreamer | cept it may or may not take the custom configs, i never bothered to figure it out |
| 23:36.16 | jetscreamer | iirc it's no though |
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| 23:36.24 | jetscreamer | but then again, i've seen yes |
| 23:36.27 | _Atomo64_ | hey... I'm trying to setup a server running apache2, php4, php5, and vhcs2; and I require php4 and php5 to run with suexec, but run vhcs2 with mod_php4; now, I got to setup the server in a way according to some how to's; but even when /etc/apache2/mods-e*/php4.conf is commented (so mod_php4 is not assigned as the default .php/.php4 files handler) it stills doing that |
| 23:36.27 | _Atomo64_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.31 | _Atomo64_ | any idea? |
| 23:36.33 | cydork | wtf? |
| 23:36.41 | jetscreamer | #apache is my idea |
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| 23:36.55 | jetscreamer | orphp |
| 23:36.56 | _Atomo64_ | jetscreamer: already asked there =( |
| 23:37.03 | jetscreamer | yeh i hear it's slow in there |
| 23:37.07 | jetscreamer | noidea |
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| 23:37.39 | _Atomo64_ | I don't know what to do... 'cause normally mod_php4 is only enabled for the /vhcs2 alias |
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| 23:54.40 | thegoldenaura | hi there. if i have root privileges in my server, and i have created a user account, but i can not remember the password, with root access can i recover it? |
| 23:55.44 | Kevin` | you can reset it or recover it by brute force cracking (takes a long time) |
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| 23:57.41 | thegoldenaura | Kevin, but to reset a user password i need to now the old password |
| 23:58.05 | Kevin` | thegoldenaura you don't need to know that as root |
| 23:58.14 | thegoldenaura | Kevin: ok, thanks ;) |
| 23:58.31 | Alexismoy | as root: passwd your_user |
