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| 00:09.59 | ry1 | if I have a p4 with ht, do I compile the kernel with smp support? |
| 00:10.53 | cydork | ry1, why compile? there is a stock debian smp kernel |
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| 00:12.15 | ry1 | cydork: hmmm, guess I have to say it again... :) I am compiling my own custom kernel because I need speakup and I don't like the debian default. |
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| 00:12.48 | cydork | ry1, then yes :) |
| 00:13.00 | ry1 | cydork: thanks |
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| 00:22.46 | thegoldenaura | Alexismoy: thanks |
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| 00:36.51 | SevenIsPrime | Hi all |
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| 00:38.02 | SevenIsPrime | I am using KDE 3.5.4 on debian sid/unstable. When I use konqueror as file manager and click on a directory, I get "There appears to be a configuration error. You have associated Konqueror with inode/directory, but it cannot handle this file type." |
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| 00:38.38 | stoned | kde doesn't like you, switch to gnome |
| 00:38.50 | SevenIsPrime | According to KDE FAQ, I should make sure, "embedded viewer" is set in the file associations settings. |
| 00:39.06 | jetscreamer | omfg |
| 00:39.12 | SevenIsPrime | I have done that. I also double checked that "left click action" is set to "embedded viewer". |
| 00:39.14 | stoned | SevenIsPrime, try #kde also they specialize in kde |
| 00:39.22 | SevenIsPrime | stoned: thanks. |
| 00:39.22 | jetscreamer | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/intro.html the andrews file system link... not work safe... |
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| 00:41.39 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: lol |
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| 00:50.53 | stranger_stone | Re :) |
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| 00:58.14 | freakzoid0223 | Im trying to load debian 3.1 on to a notebook via a usb attached dvd drive. How do i mount the drive via the ash shell in the installer |
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| 01:02.37 | acdc | I want to create configuration for my keyboard model, however I don't understand the codes symbols/inet file uses. Is there a manual/tutorial on that somewhere? |
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| 01:04.48 | dendrite | acdc: man keymaps? |
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| 01:06.15 | the_lord | Hi! |
| 01:06.20 | SevenIsPrime | Is there really no way to get KDE/konqueror to actually be able to show directories after installing and uninstalling gnome besides totally flattening the system and reinstall from scratch? |
| 01:06.32 | the_lord | any app like net-limiter for M$? |
| 01:06.59 | dendrite | the_lord: What is net-limiter? |
| 01:07.07 | jelly-home | the_lord: what does it do? |
| 01:07.20 | dendrite | SevenIsPrime: Try moving your .k* files out of the way? |
| 01:07.27 | the_lord | it limits the bandwith of each process separately |
| 01:07.52 | SevenIsPrime | dendrite: Well, the folks over at the #kde channel specifically said not to. |
| 01:07.56 | dendrite | the_lord: Process? iptables can limit per user... Not sure about process. |
| 01:08.02 | SevenIsPrime | dendrite: It is even in the subject line :) |
| 01:08.20 | jelly-home | the_lord: trickle, but you have to explicitely run a process with trickle. |
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| 01:08.59 | dendrite | SevenIsPrime: Well, if it's that or reinstall linux, I think temporarily moving them to a folder called ~/kde_fubar might be reasonable. But, I'm no KDE guru. |
| 01:09.37 | jelly-home | the_lord: apt-cache search shape also reports iprelay and shaperd as possible candidates. |
| 01:09.43 | SevenIsPrime | dendrite: Well, I have moved it anyway. No change to the konqueror issue. *sigh* |
| 01:09.54 | acdc | dendrite: not quite |
| 01:10.07 | dendrite | SevenIsPrime: .kde/ and .kderc ? |
| 01:10.20 | the_lord | jelly-home: thx man |
| 01:10.22 | dendrite | SevenIsPrime: and of course you do this while kde is *not* running? |
| 01:10.25 | the_lord | I'll try |
| 01:10.41 | SevenIsPrime | dendrite: I relogged afterwards. |
| 01:10.46 | acdc | dendrite: beyond that... after I created key mappings, I want to create a keyboard model configuration which can be selected in KDE Setting |
| 01:11.09 | dendrite | SevenIsPrime: I'd actually do the mv while kde is not running, in case it saves some bogues state on exit. |
| 01:11.28 | acdc | apparently for that I need to modify these files: |
| 01:11.36 | acdc | symbols.dir |
| 01:11.37 | acdc | rules/xorg |
| 01:11.37 | acdc | rules/xorg.lst |
| 01:11.37 | acdc | rules/xorg.xml |
| 01:11.37 | acdc | symbols/inet |
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| 01:12.11 | acdc | but I can't find any manual or info about their format |
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| 01:12.41 | acdc | I can find instructions for particular keyboard models, but they don't explain what is actually being done |
| 01:13.24 | SevenIsPrime | dendrite: ok. |
| 01:13.28 | h00t | hello i tried to connect to windows 2000 w/ terminal server (vnc) but it says that server is protocol 3.8 and client is 3.3 ... does anyone know how can i upgrade |
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| 01:15.25 | Ick | hello, can anybody upload a copy of their sources.list file? mine is being problematic |
| 01:15.34 | Ick | or even message it to me |
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| 01:16.07 | Ick | i keep getting the message that it's waiting for the header when i'm doing apt-get update |
| 01:16.22 | Ick | it seems to do this on the last one, independent of how many i comment out |
| 01:16.49 | jelly-home | h00t: xvnc4viewer, I think. |
| 01:18.42 | h00t | jelly-home: is that the name of the package |
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| 01:22.31 | SevenIsPrime | re |
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| 01:28.37 | SevenIsPrime | Problem solved. Had to unset the "view/lock to current location" option. |
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| 01:39.58 | Jeeva | !gnaa |
| 01:39.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnaa is a bunch of known #debian trolls. If anyone from the gnaa shows up, please invoke !ops |
| 01:40.05 | Jeeva | HIHI |
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| 01:43.32 | asg | !ops |
| 01:43.32 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 01:43.38 | asg | for old times' sake |
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| 01:44.33 | asg | !ops /lastlog -regex Jeeva |
| 01:44.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: /lastlog -regex Jeeva |
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| 01:45.20 | peterS | Jeeva: yeah, now you know. the first rule of #debian is, we don't talk about the gnaa. |
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| 01:45.32 | Jeeva | but whois me |
| 01:45.33 | Jeeva | .co.za |
| 01:45.35 | Jeeva | SOUTH AFRICA |
| 01:45.38 | Jeeva | i'm a real gay nigger |
| 01:45.39 | b_ | did not peterS just mention them |
| 01:46.00 | yesyall | hi guys, i recently installed etch on my system. I've noticed that, while in X, my keys aren't being input properly. I'm using the standard keymap (pc104, us) in xorg. Nothing is inputted (?) when I press, say 'g', or 'd' and countless other keys |
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| 01:46.59 | asg | b_: he did but only in a metasyntactical sense |
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| 01:47.18 | b_ | asg: but he still did it |
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| 01:47.47 | yesyall | i lack a browser.. can someone give me a brief outline of what gnaa is, and why it's a forbidden topic? |
| 01:47.55 | asg | b_: I kill people all the time, but only in my mind. I'm not in jail yet. Then again, he is +o so all bets are off. |
| 01:47.59 | peterS | b_: I didn't talk about the gnaa. I talked about the topics welcome in #debian. there is a difference. |
| 01:48.11 | b_ | you just talked about them again! |
| 01:48.18 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:48.30 | asg | b_: are you a first year Philosophy student by chance? |
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| 01:48.43 | b_ | i come in here for a few minutes, and already the ops are discussing that organization |
| 01:48.47 | jetscreamer | yesyall: think kukluxklan |
| 01:48.48 | peterS | asg: would even first-year philosophy students get that one wrong? |
| 01:48.50 | b_ | can't we just stop talking about them |
| 01:48.58 | asg | peterS: In my experience, yes. |
| 01:49.01 | yesyall | jetscreamer: oh, i thought the 'gn' was linux related, heh ;) |
| 01:49.03 | peterS | ahh, ok |
| 01:49.16 | b_ | asg: no, fourth year |
| 01:49.22 | Coon | gnu/linux you mean |
| 01:49.24 | jetscreamer | g is for gay, the n you can guess |
| 01:49.24 | yesyall | i know there's a 'gna', or something |
| 01:49.38 | peterS | yesyall: it's forbidden because it's off-topic and their main point is to be a disruptive influence. we prefer to be disrupted as little as possible |
| 01:50.11 | b_ | he could have been referring to the global network of arab activists |
| 01:50.16 | yesyall | peterS: i think they succeeded in disrupting regular #debian discussion ;) |
| 01:50.20 | simonrvn | next! debian and hot roast beef sandwiches |
| 01:50.30 | peterS | b_: he clarified what he was talking about. now he's gone. we can all go back to talking about Debian. |
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| 01:50.58 | b_ | you mean GNU/Debian, right? |
| 01:50.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 01:51.03 | peterS | no, I mean Debian |
| 01:51.19 | jetscreamer | my butt hurts... that's kinda ontopic |
| 01:51.22 | peterS | if you want to talk about the Debian Linux distribution, you're free to call it Debian GNU/Linux. but it's not GNU/Debian. |
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| 01:51.28 | yesyall | when etch becomes stable, will there be much maintenance on a sarge system in order to make the jump? |
| 01:51.49 | peterS | yesyall: upgrading sarge to etch is expected to be as painless as upgrading woody to sarge. |
| 01:51.50 | yesyall | i.e, will there be many config files that I'll need to lookover and merge? |
| 01:52.12 | yesyall | peterS: well, i've never had any experience with the latter transition :) |
| 01:52.17 | k-man | how do i get galeon to show the search toolbar? it seems to be missing for me |
| 01:52.32 | jetscreamer | why are console fonts different, ati vs nvda, same monitor? |
| 01:52.33 | peterS | yesyall: I don't know if there will be many config files to look over and merge. depends on your configuration, I suppose |
| 01:52.37 | asg | yesyall: it depends on how many packages you have installed. The fewer, the less likely the transition will cause problems. |
| 01:52.50 | yesyall | peterS: i'd like to make the transition now, but I'm wary of the nvidia driver situation |
| 01:53.07 | yesyall | so i'll have to wait till Dec (tentative) or later |
| 01:53.10 | jetscreamer | what situation |
| 01:53.14 | peterS | jetscreamer: the font that the video bios installs before linux starts up depends on the video bios. you can load your own font later, if you wish |
| 01:53.24 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 01:53.42 | jetscreamer | the radeon looka like woody used to on the nvidia |
| 01:53.46 | jetscreamer | which is good |
| 01:54.30 | peterS | jetscreamer: you can load a font with 'consolechars -f' and then the name of your favorite font in /usr/share/consolefonts/ |
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| 01:54.38 | yesyall | peterS: i didn't give Woody a thought as it seemed to be stable for quite a long time. I'm surprised that etch will be released so soon (relatively) |
| 01:54.57 | yesyall | s/quite a long time/too long/ |
| 01:55.12 | jetscreamer | neat |
| 01:55.18 | peterS | yesyall: this is a very conscious effort to shorten the release cycle. most people don't want to go much less than 18 months, but a lot of people say "the shorter the better", so 18 months it is. we'll see if it works out. |
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| 01:55.40 | Coon | it should be 36 months |
| 01:55.47 | yesyall | peterS: yeah, i was kind of surprised to see the negative criticism of the shorter cycle |
| 01:55.48 | benjamindees | !leet benjamindees |
| 01:55.49 | dpkg | benjamindees: stfu b4 i shove my sk8 up yer arse myIQ- 180 |
| 01:56.06 | liable | hehe |
| 01:56.27 | benjamindees | I don't remember that doing that :-/ |
| 01:56.30 | peterS | yesyall: the more often you release, the more releases you have to support simultaneously in order to support a release for a given length of time. so for example if you release every 3 months, and you provide security support for 1 year, you have to support 4 simultaneous releases at all times. |
| 01:57.13 | yesyall | peterS: i can see that it'd be a problem for small(-ish) devel teams |
| 01:57.16 | peterS | yesyall: and we don't want to cut off support for a release too soon - businesses do not want to be in the position of _having_ to upgrade every 6 months or whatever. business IT admins _hate_ that. |
| 01:57.36 | pickcoder | peterS: <g> |
| 01:57.44 | asg | peterS: we would be in better shape if woody was still supported |
| 01:57.45 | jetscreamer | sid upgrades all the time |
| 01:58.00 | peterS | yesyall: so the current policy is to overlap support for the old and new releases for 1 year, to give people plenty of time to upgrade. but that still forces people to upgrade every release. if that is significantly shorter than 18 months, people _will_ get annoyed |
| 01:58.07 | pickcoder | peterS: I don't think it's an issue as long as there is backwards compatility for crucial system aspects |
| 01:58.19 | pickcoder | gah... compatibility |
| 01:58.20 | yesyall | jetscreamer: that'd be a logistical nightmare for system admins, i'd guess |
| 01:58.36 | peterS | pickcoder: rolling out new everything involves a lot of testing and QA if you're a decent-sized business. making people do that more often than they have to is painful |
| 01:58.50 | simonrvn | yesyall: it's managable on a small scale ;) |
| 01:58.50 | jetscreamer | my humor is very funny, just ask me... |
| 01:58.56 | Stevie-O | I will. |
| 01:59.06 | Stevie-O | hey jetscreamer, is jetscreamer's humor very funny? |
| 01:59.25 | jetscreamer | yes he laughs all the time at every joke |
| 01:59.30 | yesyall | hey jetscreamer, ... ? |
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| 01:59.35 | peterS | pickcoder: there are businesses out there that haven't upgraded Win2000 to WinXP yet. I suppose there are still NT4 shops out there, for that matter. and this isn't a matter of admin laziness so much as "what do we get for our considerable effort to do an upgrade?" |
| 01:59.40 | h00t | jelly-home: what's the best way to see if a package has never version available |
| 01:59.47 | h00t | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.50 | asg | h00t: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 02:00.01 | h00t | thank you |
| 02:00.09 | asg | you're welcome |
| 02:00.16 | yesyall | h00t: or apt-show-versions |
| 02:00.31 | yesyall | i'm not sure if it's a wrapper for soemthing else, though |
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| 02:00.54 | Ryengoth | wtf |
| 02:01.04 | asg | Ryengoth: it's in the bsdgames package |
| 02:01.15 | h00t | the problem is that the package name also includes version number ... won't that by default exclude newer versions |
| 02:01.46 | asg | pickcoder: you wouldn't be the first |
| 02:01.47 | OllieD | hi |
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| 02:04.51 | pickcoder | peterS:I know. |
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| 02:05.05 | yesyall | i recently installed etch on my system. I've noticed that, while in X, my keys aren't being input properly. I'm using the standard keymap (pc104, us) in xorg. Nothing is inputted (?) when I press, say 'g', or 'd' and countless other keys |
| 02:05.05 | nvz | well I slept my whole day away and it was great |
| 02:05.18 | nvz | after getting like 3 hours sleep the past two days |
| 02:05.26 | pickcoder | peterS: I've had much more success upgrading Debian distros than anything else, which says a lot about the developer community and the project coords |
| 02:05.29 | peterS | hey there, enveezee |
| 02:05.36 | nvz | howdy |
| 02:05.51 | stoned | weed |
| 02:05.54 | stoned | I mean, hi |
| 02:06.07 | nvz | hmm suggestive |
| 02:06.10 | stoned | :D |
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| 02:06.40 | peterS | pickcoder: yeah. it's something debian stresses _a lot_, making sure upgrades from N to N+1 are as smooth as possible. but it still wouldn't be nice to be like Ubuntu and release twice a year and only support the last 2 releases, for example. |
| 02:07.17 | stoned | man, I like Sid |
| 02:07.50 | peterS | some people _like_ the famous long release cycle in debian. I can't say I'm one of those people, I generally run unstable, but they certainly exist |
| 02:07.50 | stoned | I know who |
| 02:08.00 | stoned | me! I won't run anything but sarge on my servers |
| 02:08.10 | Hoxzer | how can you guys run sid :E |
| 02:08.27 | peterS | Hoxzer: you stay tuned to irc and such things and are warned when something breaks, like grub |
| 02:08.50 | Hoxzer | :( |
| 02:09.02 | marquedios | I'm goofing with sid, just not on my main desktop |
| 02:09.20 | incubii | etch works beautifully on my desktop |
| 02:09.24 | stoned | its on my laptop/desktop, and sarge is on servers, and etch is on another box |
| 02:09.26 | stoned | :D |
| 02:09.30 | marquedios | actually running it on a celeron 400 but it runs perfectly |
| 02:10.04 | peterS | yeah there's no reason debian shouldn't run fine on a celeron 400. so long as you have a bit of memory for it, like at least 64 MB or so. |
| 02:10.07 | pickcoder | I've been running Sarge on my personal server for a while now |
| 02:10.20 | marquedios | 256 actually, so yeah its running like a champ |
| 02:10.29 | stoned | man I got 4gb ram |
| 02:10.37 | stoned | how can you live with 256 |
| 02:10.38 | asg | stoned: I have 48M |
| 02:10.39 | marquedios | ::drools:: |
| 02:10.45 | marquedios | <- 1.5 gigs on my main |
| 02:10.49 | incubii | my laptop has 24mb |
| 02:10.50 | incubii | :D |
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| 02:10.56 | stoned | I got all y'all |
| 02:10.57 | stoned | haha |
| 02:11.06 | stoned | my old laptop still runs and has 4mb ram |
| 02:11.12 | marquedios | sweet |
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| 02:11.24 | peterS | incubii: heh. my first debian install was on a machine running windows 95, with 16 MB of RAM. it seemed to run fine. that was ... a few years ago, probably bo (debian 1.2) |
| 02:11.25 | stoned | 1992 compuadd machine, 80mb HDD and 25.33mhz cpu |
| 02:11.28 | yesyall | stoned: does you source.lst reference 'sarge' or 'stable' |
| 02:11.32 | yesyall | +? |
| 02:11.37 | marquedios | I installed win2k on an old 486 with 48 megs of sim ram... boy did it not like that environment :P |
| 02:11.38 | stoned | yesyall, either one is fine |
| 02:11.48 | peterS | marquedios: ha. yeah really. |
| 02:11.49 | asg | marquedios: no doubt. |
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| 02:11.59 | pickcoder | I have Etch running on 2 mail servers @ work |
| 02:12.05 | marquedios | only had 700 megs of harddrive... couldn't service pack it... |
| 02:12.11 | pickcoder | no problems so far. One of them has the 64bit kernel on it. |
| 02:12.18 | marquedios | nice |
| 02:12.46 | peterS | marquedios: our friend NuBus once tried to install OS X on a Mac from the late 80s. it was running Debian and a PowerPC emulator. If I remember correctly, it took like a week to boot into the install screen |
| 02:13.06 | asg | peterS: sounds like the ANSI screen I wrote for our BBS |
| 02:13.07 | peterS | (did I mention late 80s? yes, that means a 680x0 Mac, not a PowerPC Mac) |
| 02:13.08 | yesyall | peterS: heh, that's insane |
| 02:13.10 | incubii | ha |
| 02:13.12 | pickcoder | peterS: 68K ? |
| 02:13.17 | peterS | yes |
| 02:13.19 | marquedios | peterS: nice, lol |
| 02:13.27 | pickcoder | that's a nice architecture.. |
| 02:13.29 | peterS | pickcoder: she might still have something on her website about it, www.danamania.com |
| 02:13.40 | pickcoder | but then again I'm biased due to so much 68K assembly training |
| 02:13.42 | pickcoder | <g. |
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| 02:14.39 | liable | dont mention kawfee!! :) |
| 02:14.46 | pickcoder | do tha Dew |
| 02:14.57 | peterS | liable: ha |
| 02:14.59 | nvz | different kind of coughfee |
| 02:15.10 | yesyall | peterS: looks like that site is hosted on the a 68k |
| 02:15.15 | nvz | motown special |
| 02:15.24 | peterS | yesyall: quite possibly (: she's got a _lot_ of old macs sitting around |
| 02:15.28 | pickcoder | yesyall: it's dead? |
| 02:15.35 | pickcoder | yesyall: b/c I can't get to it |
| 02:15.36 | yesyall | pickcoder: nope |
| 02:15.37 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:15.50 | yesyall | pickcoder: http://danamania.com/605/os.html |
| 02:16.05 | pickcoder | freakin Bellsouth DNS prolly |
| 02:17.36 | benjamindees | I put Sarge on a 486 with 8 megs ram today; just needed a custom initrd |
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| 02:19.19 | incubii | any server i use at work has debian on it but everything else is fedora |
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| 02:19.57 | mentor | and a custom installer? |
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| 02:20.46 | marquedios | I'm actually considering an attempt at debian on my main box here in a week or so... not a familiar territory however |
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| 02:21.56 | gre1 | someon wanna build this http://www.heggeseth.com/controller.asp for me? |
| 02:21.59 | pickcoder | hrm.. rkhunter is suspicious about the new udev folders |
| 02:22.05 | benjamindees | mentor, installed it on another box and moved the hd |
| 02:22.10 | peterS | pickcoder: heh |
| 02:22.27 | peterS | pickcoder: I don't blame it. I'm suspicious about udev in general. |
| 02:22.29 | asg | gre1: erm, why would we want to build anything hosted on a .asp page? |
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| 02:23.41 | asg | peterS: but udev is the future |
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| 02:23.53 | peterS | asg: yes and I'm very stubbornly holding out |
| 02:23.53 | asg | then again, so is SARS |
| 02:23.54 | gre1 | whats wrong w/ .asp? |
| 02:23.55 | eimajenthat | howdy, I have a linux box behind a router, with road runner and a dynamic ip. Is there a simple command to retrieve the ip address assigned by road runner? |
| 02:24.23 | peterS | eimajenthat: dunno, check with whatismyip.com |
| 02:24.53 | mentor | benjamindees: spiffy |
| 02:25.05 | mentor | benjamindees: Using debootstrap? |
| 02:25.20 | benjamindees | mentor, no the regular installer |
| 02:25.29 | mentor | eimajenthat: Is the router doing NAT? |
| 02:25.33 | benjamindees | swapped hard drives |
| 02:25.42 | mentor | benjamindees: ok. |
| 02:25.52 | asg | gre1: go buy a copy of Visual Studio WETF++ and follow the instructions. |
| 02:26.01 | eimajenthat | mentor, umm, yeah |
| 02:26.08 | pickcoder | gre1: there's nothing wrong with ASP, as long as I don't have to use it |
| 02:27.19 | pickcoder | has anyone gotten the spca5xx cam driver to work? |
| 02:27.33 | yesyall | benjamindees: installing Debian on vintage hardware can become quite an addiction (= |
| 02:27.37 | mentor | eimajenthat: Then you either have to ask the router what the IP is, or ask someone beyond the router what the IP is. reverse ARP would be what you want...but I doubt it would work fo rhte foreign interface, plus you'd have to work out if there was a MAC address involved. |
| 02:28.22 | mentor | pickcoder: IIRC yes, but I don't have the camera with me at the moment, and I don't remember any specifics. sorry. |
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| 02:28.47 | pickcoder | mentor: OK. I'm out of ideas, short of dist-upgrade to Etch |
| 02:29.07 | yesyall | christ, i'm getting artifacts (random underscores and hyphens) at the commandline in screen |
| 02:29.15 | eimajenthat | mentor, bumer, thanks for the info. I'm using a dynamic dns service. I had a script that was supposed to update the service when I got a new IP, but it was making a lot of trouble in my cron logs |
| 02:29.32 | peterS | eimajenthat: uh, I already told you about a web site |
| 02:29.41 | asg | yesyall: does '^L' (CTRL+L) fix things |
| 02:30.17 | eimajenthat | peterS, yeah, I got it. Thanks. But I was looking for something I could automate |
| 02:30.19 | yesyall | asg: is that similar to ^R? |
| 02:30.26 | yesyall | asg: nope |
| 02:30.28 | mentor | eimajenthat: You chould be able to script something up with curl to use whatismyip.com from scripts. |
| 02:30.44 | asg | yesyall: okay (and no, it isn't similar to ^R) |
| 02:30.51 | liable | eimajenthat: ddclient wont work with your dns provider? |
| 02:30.58 | mentor | Using whatismyip.com feels icky though |
| 02:31.00 | yesyall | asg: have you encountered this problem before? |
| 02:31.27 | yesyall | asg: this is a qemu install of etch.. might be related somehow |
| 02:31.28 | peterS | eimajenthat: right, I thought the dynamic dns stuff generally tries to work around that problem by having the server figure out the client's IP address (the server knows, of course) |
| 02:31.36 | mentor | eimajenthat: Maybe your router has SNMP and a MIB? |
| 02:31.45 | asg | yesyall: I've encountered many artifacts over the years. That was just a stab at a possible solution. |
| 02:31.46 | eimajenthat | mentor, I guess so. Last time I messed with curl it kicked my ass. |
| 02:31.54 | mentor | heh |
| 02:31.58 | eimajenthat | liable, I'm not familiar with ddclient |
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| 02:32.44 | mentor | I find ez-ipupdater to be better. |
| 02:32.46 | peterS | eimajenthat: ddclient is how most people update dynamic DNS services. it's a debian package. |
| 02:32.50 | asg | yesyall: as far as qemu is concerned, I don't know offhand. Sorry. |
| 02:32.56 | mentor | even though it has a stupid name |
| 02:33.09 | eimajenthat | liable, I found it in synapic, thx, I'll look into it |
| 02:33.11 | peterS | I stubbornly use my own script for this purpose, a script which predated ddclient being mature enough to use |
| 02:33.30 | peterS | but then, I also don't have any NAT in the way, so I have it easy |
| 02:33.44 | mentor | I was going to rewrite ez-ipupdater to use rtnl sockets |
| 02:33.55 | michael11 | Where can I find test repositories and how exactly do I add them to my sources.list? |
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| 02:34.09 | pickcoder | dyndns.. man that brings back memories of Tzo |
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| 02:34.20 | yesyall | michael11: s/sarge/etch/g s/stable/testing/g |
| 02:34.28 | asg | mentor: or we could have a raffle and raise money to buy you something static. |
| 02:34.43 | yesyall | brb |
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| 02:37.34 | pickcoder | I didn't know that routers support DDNS now.. |
| 02:37.41 | pickcoder | wish I had one of those 4 years ago |
| 02:37.50 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 02:39.18 | edwin | why pkg can I use to auto mount my cd |
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| 02:40.53 | w1w1t0m1 | hello, which package do you use to correct displaying web sites with flash components? |
| 02:41.04 | eimajenthat | thanks all, looks like this ddclient is exactly what I need |
| 02:41.54 | edwin | what pkg i need to automount my CD |
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| 02:45.27 | smacnay_ | what is the most common utility for partitioning a hd? |
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| 02:47.13 | benjamindees | smacnay_, fdisk |
| 02:48.20 | benjamindees | smacnay_, parted is another one |
| 02:49.00 | benjamindees | w1w1t0m1, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:49.13 | liable | edwin: gnome-volumne-manager does it, or ivman |
| 02:49.54 | smacnay_ | thanks |
| 02:50.42 | smacnay_ | can one run fdisk on a mounted hd through a usb device? |
| 02:51.25 | ootput | smacnay_: sure, but that don't make it a good idea |
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| 02:51.56 | smacnay_ | ootput: ah, unmount and then run on the /dev/sda |
| 02:52.46 | Stevie-O | You can run fdisk on any block device. It doesn't even need to be a real block device, even a regular file should work (not to imply doing so would be useful) |
| 02:54.51 | smacnay_ | Stevie-O: I would like to repartition an old hd through an external usb device hookup |
| 02:55.36 | ootput | smacnay_: if you were able to mount it, i'd imagine little resistance when trying to partition it |
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| 03:00.09 | bretzel | I know I may look really silly but I am starting to code a simple GUI for the framebuffer console...and...-> |
| 03:00.45 | ootput | bretzel: we'd need pictures in order to ascertain the extent of your silliness |
| 03:00.57 | klork | hullo guys any news of updating tomcat5(5.0.30-10) package to tomcat5.5(5.5.17) ? |
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| 03:03.29 | w1w1t0m1 | benjamindees: thanks ...and which repository contains this package? |
| 03:04.06 | Presently42 | According to audacity, I have an input (and can record) from PhoneIn. What is the /dev location of this? |
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| 03:04.17 | Totoro | hello |
| 03:04.20 | Presently42 | That is, how can I find out.? |
| 03:04.29 | Totoro | anyone familiar with toolchain building ? |
| 03:04.36 | bretzel | :-) ootput :-) I need to know if there are such things ( not speaking about MicroGUI;FLTK QtEmbedded ) they are too much complex and depends on so much external libs ....and btw, they're used for other hardware like phones and handheld ... |
| 03:04.53 | benjamindees | !tell w1w1t0m1 about non-free |
| 03:05.25 | Totoro | not really a debian question |
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| 03:06.09 | benjamindees | I guess some of the game libs have gui elements |
| 03:07.19 | backz | Hi, my server got rebooted today, and I dont know why, on /var/log/syslog I haven't "exiting on signal" messages, simple restart of syslogd and rebooting kernel. How can I know why server was rebooted? |
| 03:07.22 | bretzel | ...and me too I am going to be dependent of libs like Magick++, pthread, ld, boost::signals etc...etc... |
| 03:07.51 | mentor | asg: Or I could force everyone to use the IPs I've told them to |
| 03:08.15 | bretzel | Personally, I would prefer libsigc++2 but read that Boost will take over on std |
| 03:08.58 | smacnay_ | hmm, I run fdisk on /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 to rid it of FAT16 but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 03:09.44 | benjamindees | smacnay_, yeah I've seen that too; have to zero it out I guess |
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| 03:12.56 | pickcoder | does anyone know of an XML parser benchmark spec? |
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| 03:15.48 | benjamindees | so you want, like a remote framebuffer over a serial line |
| 03:15.53 | Presently42 | In addition to that, I'd like to know how to read the temperature of my cpu. I can't seem to find any thermal files. |
| 03:16.10 | Ben_ | I am getting lots of warnings "mode clock ***MHz exceeds DDC maximum 0Mhz" when I am trying to "startx" can anyone please offer a solution. |
| 03:16.25 | benjamindees | oops wrong channel ;) |
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| 03:17.13 | bretzel | benjamindees: ? |
| 03:17.30 | ootput | Ben_: specifiy an appropriate modeline? http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes |
| 03:17.51 | ry1 | Hello, I have a box with an on board soundcard as well as a sb audigy2. I compiled alsa support into my kernel and everything seemed to work. I ran alsaconf and then alsamixer to turn up the volume, but now when I try to play any sounds, I get no output, anyone might know what's wrong? |
| 03:18.25 | ootput | ry1: does the seekbar move? |
| 03:18.27 | Ben_ | ootput, No I have not specified anything. I will look at your link. Thankyou |
| 03:18.35 | BarryAllen | ry1, alsaconf detects your audigy? |
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| 03:19.15 | ootput | ry1: which device do you expect output from? |
| 03:19.26 | ry1 | ben: I am totally blind, I did not see the seekbar move, though the numbers reported by speakup were increasing. I have done this same sound setup proceedure on a box with one soundcard successfully |
| 03:19.54 | ry1 | ootput: the sb audigy |
| 03:20.06 | Presently42 | Common, Debianers. I know you know how to read the temperature of a cpu. How can I do this? I do have acpi, but when ever I see some thing to do with thermal on the Debial mailling list, I can't cat because it doesn't exist. |
| 03:20.16 | parsonsd | i'm trying to get kpilot to recognize my tungsten. there are a TON of different guides for this -- they tend to be different and note some different modules which need to be added to the kernel. anyone here have any experience that can shed a little clarity? |
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| 03:20.36 | pickcoder | Presently42: lm-sensors ? |
| 03:20.43 | ootput | ry1: in my experience, if the seekbar (or whatever) moves, then your sound device was detected correctly. Does your /etc/modprobe.d/sound show entries for both cards? |
| 03:20.54 | bretzel | why not disable the onboard sndcard into CMOS setup ? |
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| 03:21.23 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I have that too. But, it doesn't seem to tell me any thing to do with temp, unless I'm not looking properly.... |
| 03:21.24 | sagarp | can i do a netinst from a 1gb flash stick? |
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| 03:22.17 | ry1 | ootput: only emu10k1 entries are in that file |
| 03:22.42 | ry1 | my other card awas not loaded it seems which is good because I chose emu10k1 in my alsaconf |
| 03:22.52 | ootput | ry1: did alsaconf detect both cards? You'd need to make provisions for the second card |
| 03:22.56 | ootput | oh |
| 03:23.14 | ry1 | ootput: alsaconf did detect both cards, I just hit enter on the audigy |
| 03:23.52 | pickcoder | Presently42: sensors-detect |
| 03:24.05 | pickcoder | Presently42: then try running sensors |
| 03:24.15 | ry1 | it's just a normal sb audigy 2 with a 6.1 speaker system hooked up to it |
| 03:24.24 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Groovy. Thanks. |
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| 03:24.47 | ootput | ry1: did you unmute all of the channels? |
| 03:25.18 | ootput | ry1: which tool are you using to play the audio file? |
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| 03:25.28 | ry1 | ootput: meaning go into alsamixer and hit up arrow to the max everywhere? yes |
| 03:25.41 | ootput | ry1: in addition to hitting 'm' |
| 03:28.30 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 03:29.24 | ry1 | ootput: tried that, still no go, I have an mp3 playing as I type this and still get no sound, though I know from experience that any changes I make from within alsamixer will take affect as I make them |
| 03:31.32 | ry1 | is there a config file I can make the changes to directly? |
| 03:31.38 | ootput | pickcoder: sucks |
| 03:31.43 | Presently42 | sensors-detect |
| 03:31.49 | ootput | what kind of processes are your running? |
| 03:32.05 | Presently42 | pickcoder: sensors-detect says I have no valid sensors. |
| 03:32.06 | pickcoder | ootput: testing an XML parser |
| 03:32.37 | Presently42 | Chips, not sensors. |
| 03:32.46 | pickcoder | Presently42: do you have ACPI turned on in BIOS? |
| 03:33.25 | ootput | ry1: not trying to be condescending, or anything, but are your audio connections correct? |
| 03:33.25 | ry1 | ootput: p4 3.2ht |
| 03:33.39 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I'm not too sure what you mean. I certianly have no option for it in the BIOS menus.... |
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| 03:33.49 | enouf | Presently42: check 'dmesg | grep ACPI' |
| 03:34.25 | pickcoder | 595M of virutal memory is not good for a "user process" |
| 03:34.30 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 03:34.47 | ootput | ry1: you're not trying to get spdif-out or anything like that, are you? |
| 03:35.20 | Presently42 | pickcoder, I have two references to BIOS at the beginning. |
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| 03:36.06 | pickcoder | Presently42: in your motherboard CMOS setup is there not an option for ACPI? |
| 03:36.27 | enouf | Presently42: no bueno |
| 03:36.35 | ry1 | ootput: no, but I just realised that for some reason alsamixer is stuck on my on board card, how do I change it to emu10k1? |
| 03:36.57 | enouf | Presently42: 'ls /proc/acpi' pastebin results |
| 03:37.02 | Presently42 | pickcoder, I haven't a clue what a CMOS is. However, I can say that I have seen no option for acpi when in the POST (I thnk it's called). |
| 03:37.39 | ootput | ry1: i too have a dual-audiocard setup (though I'm using both,) and alsamixer -c1 references the second card |
| 03:37.52 | Presently42 | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/158429 |
| 03:38.02 | pickcoder | Presently42: CMOS setup is what you think of as "POST". |
| 03:38.04 | enouf | Presently42: Complementary Metal-Oxide Semiconductor = CMOS |
| 03:38.20 | ootput | ry1: though, if alsamixer is referencing your onboard card, then alsa wasn't setup correctly |
| 03:38.37 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Ok. I figured it had to be. No, there is no option there for acpi. |
| 03:38.52 | Presently42 | By the bye, I have a toshiba laptop. |
| 03:39.00 | pickcoder | Presently42: then lm-sensors probably won't find the chip |
| 03:39.10 | ry1 | ootput: okay, so run alsaconf again? |
| 03:39.22 | pickcoder | Presently42: can you view CPU temp and fan speed in the CMOS setup? |
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| 03:39.35 | Presently42 | pickcoder, No. |
| 03:39.43 | pickcoder | Presently42: it'll never work |
| 03:40.01 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I see. Alas. |
| 03:40.18 | ootput | ry1: for reference, here's my modprobe.d/sound: http://pastebin.ca/158432 |
| 03:40.26 | pickcoder | Presently42: well..it MAY.. if you do enough digging |
| 03:40.39 | Presently42 | pickcoder: How so? |
| 03:40.47 | enouf | Presently42: please pastebin what 'dmesg | grep PIC' reveals - also - you may need to pass the kernel the 'acpi=force' option, like I do, at boot time |
| 03:41.24 | ootput | ry1: i switch b/w cards with the chaintech redirecting output (spdif) to an external dac and amplifier and headphones, and the soundstorm to a surround speaker setup |
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| 03:42.00 | Presently42 | pickcoder: http://pastebin.ca/158435 |
| 03:42.05 | ootput | ry1: actually, if you know which chipset alsaconf detects, you can manually populate your modprobe.d/sound file |
| 03:42.09 | enouf | Presently42: also what Hardware are you on ...and what version of deb (cat /etc/debian_version) and kernel (uname -r) |
| 03:42.39 | ry1 | ootput: I guess alsaconf was set up wrong, I now have it referencing my audigy but things are still muted |
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| 03:44.04 | Presently42 | enouf: Toshiba laptop (satelite A70) with intel ht p4 and every thing else ati. Sid and 2.6.17-2-686 kernle. |
| 03:45.06 | Presently42 | enouf: I can do an 'lspci' and pastebin it, if you'd like. |
| 03:45.44 | enouf | Presently42: ok ... so now let's see your 'grep kernel /boot/grub/menu.lst' - here's an ex of mine (6yr old intel 440bx chipset) - "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro acpi=force |
| 03:45.44 | enouf | " |
| 03:45.58 | ootput | ry1: i really hate doing this, but as unmute doesn't work for you, and as the file actually gets played, i'll have to chalk it up to an Audigy-quirk, in which case I'll have to direct you to google, or something :) |
| 03:46.41 | ootput | ry1: Audigys are fairly commonplace, so i doubt you'll have difficulty finding support for the Debian-Audigy combo |
| 03:46.43 | Presently42 | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/158441 |
| 03:47.04 | Presently42 | enouf: acpi=force, eh? What will this do? |
| 03:47.07 | enouf | Presently42: Laptops are not my thing - but if dmesg doesn't report ACPI many times (like 20 lines referring to the PCI bus and such) then the kernel isn't loading that support |
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| 03:47.24 | enouf | Presently42: It will force that "option" in the kernel |
| 03:47.40 | ootput | ry1: good luck, mate (= |
| 03:48.16 | Presently42 | enouf: There are quite a number of instances of acpi in dmesg. |
| 03:48.41 | enouf | Presently42: See this for what I mean : http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 |
| 03:48.47 | pickcoder | Presently42: do you have the latest BIOS for your laptop? |
| 03:49.03 | enouf | Presently42: I thought you had said there were ionly 2 lines - but I guess I misunderstood? |
| 03:49.20 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Well, I don't know. I doubt it, though. I actually looked for updates and I couldn't find what I have at all. |
| 03:49.42 | Presently42 | enouf: I had said there were two lines referring to BIOS. Is this what you mean? |
| 03:49.50 | ry1 | ootput: okay, thanks, |
| 03:49.57 | ry1 | good night all |
| 03:50.22 | enouf | Presently42: why do you have this option enabled ? "quiet= [KNL] Disable log messages" |
| 03:50.41 | enouf | Presently42: pastebin 'dmesg | grep ACPI' |
| 03:51.35 | Presently42 | enouf: The quiet (just quite, I don't know what the = [KNL] business is) just trims down the output at boot up time. |
| 03:51.48 | enouf | needs to go to the 'John' for a few minutes .. be back shortly ;-) |
| 03:52.15 | Presently42 | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/158450 |
| 03:52.23 | pickcoder | Presently42: http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_home.jsp |
| 03:52.34 | pickcoder | Presently42: you'll need the full model# |
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| 03:53.18 | pickcoder | Presently42: don't try upgrading your BIOS, unless it's a last resort. |
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| 03:58.11 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I can give you the BIOS number, but I'll have to reboot. Do you really want it? It |
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| 03:58.37 | Presently42 | I thought I had it written some where, hence the delay. |
| 03:58.45 | enouf | Presently42: no need to to get BIOS info - use 'hwinfo' or dmidecode |
| 03:58.53 | pickcoder | Presently42: you should get the BIOS version at some point and see how old it is |
| 03:58.56 | enouf | no need to reboot |
| 03:59.05 | enouf | to get that info |
| 04:00.28 | Presently42 | I didn't know I could do that! |
| 04:00.29 | Presently42 | Release Date: 11/16/2004 |
| 04:00.49 | Presently42 | For the BIOS. Thanks, enouf. |
| 04:00.49 | enouf | Presently42: ACPI is just fine ...hehehe !win -- so waht's the problem -- I came in the room late - so I missed the original issue ... BTW - the 'quiet' option is not going to help you debug these issues, it appears what it does is disable kernel logging, likely the /var/log/kern.log.n files |
| 04:00.54 | enouf | Presently42: welcome |
| 04:01.41 | pickcoder | enouf: sensors-detect finds no sensors |
| 04:01.42 | Presently42 | enouf: The quiet should, as far as I know, only affect the boot up, not the logs. You could be correct, though. |
| 04:01.48 | enouf | Presently42: all I caught was you saying i can't cat /proc/acpi according to mailing list stuff |
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| 04:02.18 | Presently42 | enouf: I'm trying to find the temp of my lappy, since it often dies when it is too hot. |
| 04:02.25 | enouf | Presently42: actually I think you are right -- it says 'messages' only above for the quiet option :-) |
| 04:02.48 | Presently42 | enouf: Well, at least I'm not shooting myself in the foot ;) |
| 04:03.17 | pickcoder | heh.. lmsensors works great on my chipset.. my CPU is +295.2F |
| 04:03.41 | Presently42 | Haha. |
| 04:03.43 | enouf | Presently42: you likely need/want the p4 speedstep stuff to throttle down the CPU when not in high use - I forget the name of the util in Linux - something like 'cpustep' and look into 'lmsensors' and 'gkrellm' perhaps ? |
| 04:04.06 | pickcoder | enouf: sensors-detect finds no sensors |
| 04:04.16 | pickcoder | enouf: thus my suggestion for a BIOS update |
| 04:04.36 | Presently42 | enouf: I can do that via a kde app, but I like no throttlage since I like to use BOINC, a VERY cpu intensive app. |
| 04:04.41 | enouf | pickcoder: he's also using a newer kernel that may have some bugs |
| 04:05.21 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Even if I could find a bios update, and I'm not sure I can, how in the world do I flash it, or the other method? |
| 04:05.30 | Presently42 | No, don't tell me. I can look it up. |
| 04:05.31 | enouf | pickcoder: the BIOS is from 2004 ... hmm you can match the "version" to what's at Toshiba nad compare what if anything a newer BIOS fixes |
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| 04:06.47 | enouf | Presently42: you need a better laptop then... One that doesn't run so friggin hot - like an AMD64 :-p or maybe event the pentiumM |
| 04:06.48 | Presently42 | pickcoder, enough: http://pastebin.ca/158461 is to do with bios. You may not find my lappy, it's a year olf canadian-only modle. |
| 04:07.25 | Presently42 | enouf: Sure. I want to see the temp and I should solve it with a new lappy. ;0) |
| 04:07.40 | enouf | Presently42: abso-tively :-p |
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| 04:08.09 | enouf | Presently42: no ... you said it runs hot! - you're not going to change that whether you see the temp or not |
| 04:08.30 | pickcoder | Presently42: the models for A70 are A70-xxxxxx, which sub-model is yours? it's on the manf sticker |
| 04:08.38 | Presently42 | enouf: You are very right. I'm also not willing to buy a new one. |
| 04:08.40 | enouf | Presently42: But I concur - you "should" be avle to get sensors working to monitor temps and such |
| 04:08.58 | Presently42 | PSAC-RW0E, pickcoder. |
| 04:09.01 | Presently42 | A70. |
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| 04:10.52 | dada212 | http://www.djdada.dl.am - New RnB & HipHop Musicclips and HoT Promo Tracks to Download! Check this ouT ;) |
| 04:11.09 | Presently42 | enouf: Exactly. I know that I can't really lower the temp. My laptop is like me: Allergic to the heat. But, still, as you say, I'd like to be able to monitor the temp. And fan. |
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| 04:12.29 | pickcoder | Presently42: the last BIOS update was 05/17/2005 |
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| 04:12.52 | Presently42 | pickcoder: For the phoenix? Greater than version 1.5? |
| 04:12.52 | pickcoder | Presently42: you will need a Windows install or a USB-floppy to update |
| 04:13.26 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I have a usb key. 16 MB. I also have an other Debian partition. |
| 04:13.27 | pickcoder | Satellite A70 (PSA70C-XXXXX) |
| 04:13.32 | Presently42 | Wow. |
| 04:13.36 | pickcoder | Version 1.50 05-17-2005 |
| 04:13.48 | pickcoder | there are no notes for this release though |
| 04:14.02 | Presently42 | I'm using version 1.50.... |
| 04:14.13 | enouf | Presently42: I would try earlier kerenls first - like 2.6.16.x - there may be a bug report at BTS about this too - check that before trying to update uyour BIOS |
| 04:14.21 | pickcoder | Presently42: the date doesn't match, though |
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| 04:14.40 | pickcoder | Presently42: I agree with enouf |
| 04:15.23 | Presently42 | I must say, I am hesitant to upgrade BIOSes, despite being a compulsive upgrader. But, what sort of but speak you of? |
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| 04:18.20 | ttrojanek | I recently installed Debian, and it was all up and running, but I restarted and it booted into GDM(I think) and my keyboard wasn't detected. I'm in Knoppix now, how can I get my USB keyboard to be detected at boot? |
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| 04:18.30 | enouf | !bts |
| 04:18.30 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 04:18.44 | JonTec | The memory requirements listed in the documentation for i386, 32MB, does this apply after gnome or kde is installed, or is gnome packaged with debian? |
| 04:18.45 | enouf | ttrojanek: Enable Legacy USB support in the BIOS |
| 04:19.11 | ttrojanek | enouf, how do I go about that? |
| 04:19.54 | enouf | ttrojanek: err... perhpas that's not your issue - you 'lost' USB keyoard support "after" reinstalling and "after GDM loads?" |
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| 04:20.10 | enouf | ttrojanek: how about in runlevel1 ? |
| 04:20.36 | ttrojanek | I lost USB keyboard support after I upgraded and rebooted. |
| 04:20.45 | Presently42 | enouf: I know what is the bts :) I meant, what bug are you thinking of? |
| 04:21.27 | kilimanjaro | I just tried to install debian etch beta 3 amd64 and it dies every time, right after I finish installing packages (I select settings, it downloads like 600 things, I configure mail, it starts installing stuff, and when it finishes my monitor looks like the PC went into power saving mode or something) |
| 04:21.40 | enouf | ttrojanek: If the keyboard works during boot time to enter BIOS and can be used in runlevel1 then you already have USB support enabled in the BIOS |
| 04:22.00 | enouf | Presently42: I have no clue -- that's why I said go looking :-) |
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| 04:22.19 | Presently42 | enouf: Aha! |
| 04:22.23 | kilimanjaro | Should I just give up all hope of getting amd64 to work with etch for right now? |
| 04:23.49 | ttrojanek | enouf, how can I switch it to go to runlevel1? |
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| 04:24.14 | enouf | ttrojanek: Reboot into recovery mode (select it from GRUB splash) |
| 04:24.19 | Presently42 | pickcoder: What is the number of the bios, by the way? |
| 04:25.03 | enouf | ttrojanek: wonder if ttys have it disabled ... xtrl+alt+f2 |
| 04:25.09 | enouf | ctrl* |
| 04:25.16 | pickcoder | Presently42: what do you mean? |
| 04:25.40 | JonTec | I need information on memory requirements. |
| 04:25.44 | pickcoder | kilimanjaro: I just installed beta 3 on an Athlon 64 and it worked fine for me |
| 04:26.03 | ttrojanek | Thanks I'll give it a try. |
| 04:26.21 | pickcoder | kilimanjaro: is the PC shutting off completely? |
| 04:26.28 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Where did you get the bios information you found? |
| 04:26.37 | enouf | kilimanjaro: fwiw - You may want to try tasksel, and choose [+]Desktop just in case you're missing something you need installed |
| 04:26.51 | kilimanjaro | enouf: Yea, I had desktop selected |
| 04:26.54 | pickcoder | Presently42: www.toshiba.ca |
| 04:27.12 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I meant the actual page. ;) |
| 04:27.12 | kilimanjaro | I'm not sure if the box itself is shutting off, I think it is but the thing is so goddamn quiet no matter what |
| 04:28.14 | kilimanjaro | Since it boots to an installer, is there any way I can subvert the amd64 installer into downloading and running the 386 installer? |
| 04:28.19 | klork | hi guys,.. firefox and mozilla are segfaulting on a amd64 machine..... tried to remove the $HOME/.mozilla directory and purged and reinstalled firefox but to no avail..... any ideas? |
| 04:28.34 | JonTec | I noticed that when my box runs Linux, it's tons quieter than windows |
| 04:28.44 | Presently42 | enouf: acpi has some bugs but they seem to have no thing to do with my kernekl. |
| 04:28.45 | kilimanjaro | Less screaming? |
| 04:28.57 | pickcoder | kilimanjaro: the power supply fan will stop if it shuts off |
| 04:29.11 | pickcoder | kilimanjaro: and then there's always the power LED <g> |
| 04:29.16 | kilimanjaro | Yea, I can check in a bit, when I muster up the patience to wait through it again |
| 04:29.29 | kilimanjaro | No power LED is externally visible, I have a weird case |
| 04:29.38 | kilimanjaro | But if it is powered on, what do I do? |
| 04:29.52 | pickcoder | kilimanjaro: that's a good question... I dunno |
| 04:29.56 | kilimanjaro | I tried many combinations of keystrokes and I couldn't get a response. |
| 04:30.18 | pickcoder | Presently42: the support site is not responding right now |
| 04:30.19 | kilimanjaro | I'm in a limbo right now, I don't have any other install CDs (that I can find), and no other computers in the house have a CD burner |
| 04:30.43 | pickcoder | kilimanjaro: is it an X2 or a single-core 64? |
| 04:30.48 | kilimanjaro | single-core |
| 04:31.02 | enouf | kilimanjaro: have you seen and followed up on '/msg dpkg AMD64' already - if so - yeah, I guess you can use the k7 version |
| 04:31.14 | Presently42 | pickcoder: Alright. when you have it, let me know. |
| 04:31.22 | enouf | kilimanjaro: ahh ...ok |
| 04:31.58 | kilimanjaro | I have a windows CD but I can't install without SATA drivers on a floppy, and I don't have a floppy drive |
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| 04:32.30 | nehoksan | what do i need to install in sarge to get mp3 support? |
| 04:32.49 | kilimanjaro | I figure if I get sarge I should be relatively safe, I just need to have something that can run on my machine |
| 04:33.50 | pickcoder | Presently42: http://tinyurl.com/rgrjd |
| 04:35.40 | pickcoder | klork: have you run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to get the latest fixes? |
| 04:36.39 | JonTec | I've been able to get usb boot to work, but I had to use a boot floppy, can you boot from usb in bios? |
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| 04:36.56 | JonTec | (boot floppy because my BIOS didn't support it) |
| 04:37.09 | kilimanjaro | So is there any way I can hijack the amd64 installer to download and run a different installer? |
| 04:37.15 | pickcoder | JonTec: a quieter PC is usually from slower fans. I.E they aren't running at 100% duty cycle 24/7 |
| 04:37.28 | kilimanjaro | Or am I just gonna have to get i386 on disc? |
| 04:37.46 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I need windows?! "No, this is badly." |
| 04:37.52 | pickcoder | kilimanjaro: not that I'm aware of |
| 04:38.28 | pickcoder | Presently42: if your USB key is bootable, you may be able to put a flash utility on it and flash it manually |
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| 04:39.35 | enouf | kilimanjaro: maybe forget the Destop and build the system by manually selecting ..BTW - did you boot the installer trying to use the GUI? all I can do is point yhou here for possble resolving of issues http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 04:39.36 | pickcoder | Presently42: otherwise you'll need a USB floppy drive to create the flash upgrade diskette |
| 04:40.03 | Presently42 | pickcoder: I have no floppy drive for the disckette.... |
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| 04:40.51 | Presently42 | I Is there no other way? |
| 04:41.29 | pickcoder | Presently42: apparently not from Toshiba |
| 04:41.42 | kilimanjaro | enouf: I'll try manually selecting. I'm not sure exactly why it crashes, it's not like it hangs and I can see what is in the display buffer |
| 04:41.54 | pickcoder | Presently42: you may be able to run wine and run the BIOS update from it |
| 04:42.18 | pickcoder | Presently42: I really don't recommend that, though. one bad step and your laptop will be toast |
| 04:42.40 | Presently42 | Gah!!! |
| 04:42.44 | pickcoder | toast/coaster/doorstop/etc |
| 04:42.47 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 04:42.58 | Presently42 | O my. |
| 04:43.32 | pickcoder | Presently42: if you can get to a Windoze PC, you can use a utility from HP that will create a bootable key |
| 04:44.12 | nehoksan | mh, i have no sound in enemy territory with a fresh installed sarge system |
| 04:44.17 | enouf | Presently42: if nothing in BTS about that kernel - hrmmm ..I might still try it since it's quite easy to d/l a kernel-image and boot into it. |
| 04:44.17 | nehoksan | what do i have to install? |
| 04:45.03 | enouf | Presently42: you're the one with the Windows-Only-Laptop - don't blame us :-p Go yell at Toshiba and redmond |
| 04:45.53 | nehoksan | it tells me "sound system is muted" |
| 04:45.58 | nehoksan | how to unmute it? |
| 04:46.00 | nehoksan | :] |
| 04:46.15 | enouf | Presently42: may want to look at ultimatebootcd.com and look into 'Bart's PE' maybe - that's all I know about dozing a pc... :-) |
| 04:46.21 | peterS | nehoksan: 'alsamixer' has a control for that |
| 04:46.21 | insmod | nehoksan: use a mixer |
| 04:47.05 | nehoksan | ok :] |
| 04:47.41 | nehoksan | Can't find that package |
| 04:47.59 | nehoksan | ah, alsamixergui :] |
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| 04:49.16 | peterS | nehoksan: oh, the package I was thinking of was alsa-utils. it includes a program called alsamixer. |
| 04:49.52 | nehoksan | ok |
| 04:49.53 | nehoksan | :) |
| 04:50.05 | nehoksan | thanks |
| 04:50.55 | nehoksan | no such device |
| 04:50.56 | nehoksan | :o |
| 04:51.08 | nehoksan | snd_clt_open |
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| 04:52.48 | Presently42 | So, minus upgrading the bios, is there nothing more I can do. |
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| 04:54.51 | pab | Is it bad news to have both php4 and php5 installed? Or can they co-exist? |
| 04:55.09 | nehoksan | k, nvm |
| 04:55.16 | nehoksan | just ran alsaconf and it works :] |
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| 04:56.42 | jetscreamer | yay i rock! |
| 04:57.18 | JonTec | What are the memory requirements for debian after KDE/Gnome is installed? |
| 04:58.01 | jetscreamer | not alllthat much.. how much you got |
| 04:58.16 | jetscreamer | but more is better with kde/gnome |
| 04:58.27 | jetscreamer | abut it's more proc related i think |
| 04:59.03 | JonTec | Well the thing is I want to run debian from vmware |
| 04:59.13 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 04:59.15 | JonTec | I think that I can dedicate 150MB total |
| 04:59.39 | jetscreamer | sounds good to me, ymmv though |
| 04:59.50 | jetscreamer | proc? |
| 04:59.58 | jetscreamer | swap? |
| 04:59.58 | JonTec | ymmv? |
| 05:00.05 | jetscreamer | !ymmv |
| 05:00.05 | dpkg | hmm... ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 05:00.26 | JonTec | yes, after a certain point vmware swaps memory |
| 05:00.39 | jetscreamer | i mean for the debian |
| 05:00.47 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 05:01.02 | jetscreamer | if gnome or kde seems draggy use something else |
| 05:01.18 | jetscreamer | i use icewm myself, but have gnome/kde installed... just don't use em |
| 05:01.48 | JonTec | okay, I got that suggestion to install over (k,x)ubuntu |
| 05:01.49 | pickcoder | Presently42: try an older kernel release of 2.6 |
| 05:02.22 | JonTec | do you know if the debian release uses less than ()ubuntu? |
| 05:02.35 | pickcoder | I'm out |
| 05:03.01 | jetscreamer | no idea, but ubuntu is like almost but not quite the same as debian sid |
| 05:03.50 | jetscreamer | so depends.... evolution is a pig |
| 05:03.56 | jetscreamer | don't let it install |
| 05:04.07 | jetscreamer | don't use the gnome metapackage... |
| 05:04.16 | ivan86 | Hello, Acer Laptop problem. First installation, not even doing the first boot. I used the 2.6 kernel from Debian 3.1 r2 with noapic nolapic acpi=off pcmcia=off. The first error: "hw_random: RNG not detected modprobe: FATAL: Error insertinf hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device" |
| 05:04.18 | jetscreamer | use gnome-core or someothing |
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| 05:05.02 | zlo | I'm migrated from Scsi to ide my debian. When i'm load it i see next VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 08:02 |
| 05:05.02 | JonTec | what's the difference between the metapackage and core? |
| 05:05.23 | jetscreamer | they'ree both metapackages, they just pull in other packages.. one more than the other |
| 05:05.33 | JonTec | okay |
| 05:05.43 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gnome-core or gnome- |
| 05:05.51 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show gnome |
| 05:06.00 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show gnome-core |
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| 05:07.01 | jetscreamer | there are more metapackages, those are just a couple.. the gnome metapackage jsut pulls in other metapackages and so on... |
| 05:07.12 | eugman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/powerpc/bt-cd/ For a basic install do I want the first iso? |
| 05:07.37 | jetscreamer | netinstall or usually just cd#1... but i know nothing of ppc |
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| 05:07.44 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 05:08.42 | jetscreamer | rpc failed to connect to portmap err#5 |
| 05:08.57 | jetscreamer | on shutdown |
| 05:09.20 | jetscreamer | now i have to figure out tv out on a radeon :( |
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| 05:10.31 | killfill_ | hi |
| 05:10.40 | killfill_ | anyone happend to have a nforce 570 board? |
| 05:10.43 | ivan86 | Hello. |
| 05:11.07 | jetscreamer | #nvidia maybe, i know noth8ing |
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| 05:13.52 | fusion | Anyone used VLC or VLS to stream video from a linux server? Preferably via shell? I have found a howto but I can't find out how I might stream all files in a directory or a playlist or something... |
| 05:13.52 | ivan86 | Hello, Acer Laptop problem. First installation, not even doing the first boot. I used the 2.6 kernel from Debian 3.1 r2 with noapic nolapic acpi=off pcmcia=off. The first error: "hw_random: RNG not detected modprobe: FATAL: Error insertinf hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device" |
| 05:13.53 | enouf | ivan86: see http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.laptop/browse_frm/thread/1f270b9c882933b2/807f40d0cbfcbbf2%23807f40d0cbfcbbf2 |
| 05:14.00 | ivan86 | oh, thnx. |
| 05:14.15 | Presently42 | If I want to purge a package and it's with out removing the dependancies, is it dpkg --force-depends --purge |
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| 05:16.29 | killfill_ | linux has a list of supported hardware isnit?.. where can i see it? |
| 05:18.15 | liable | ivan86: that shouldnt be a fatal error anyway |
| 05:18.43 | liable | well, an error that stops the boot process |
| 05:19.08 | liable | killfill_: not really |
| 05:19.34 | liable | killfill_: the kernel looks after the hardware, so it depends on which kernel, as to what is supported |
| 05:19.41 | ivan86 | mm... well then another one appeared (I thought it was related) |
| 05:19.45 | killfill_ | sure. |
| 05:19.57 | liable | killfill_: googling your specific hardware is usually the best way to get an idea |
| 05:20.00 | killfill_ | liable: lets say the latest stable 2.6? |
| 05:20.04 | killfill_ | ook |
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| 05:20.33 | ootput | killfill_: nothing official, though there are sites such as http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatibility.html that list user submissions |
| 05:20.34 | ivan86 | Tried to use nobiospnp but solved nothing |
| 05:20.37 | burhan | is it possible to upgrade from the stable release to the testing release? |
| 05:20.49 | liable | !tell ivan86 about laptop |
| 05:21.12 | w1w1t0m1 | hello, |
| 05:21.16 | liable | ivan86: see those sites that dpkg just gave you links to, see other peoples experiences with your model |
| 05:21.16 | ivan86 | mmmm... ok |
| 05:21.25 | ivan86 | Thanks. |
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| 05:22.11 | w1w1t0m1 | how can I set automatically executing command 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' after system start? |
| 05:23.25 | ootput | w1w1t0m1: man sysctl.conf |
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| 05:26.40 | w1w1t0m1 | ootput: thanks |
| 05:28.19 | burhan | can someone tell me what is the difference if the hardware clock is set to GMT or localtime? I'm planning to install debian on a laptop (no dual boot), and just reading through the documentation. Should I change the hardware clock to GMT? What's the difference? |
| 05:28.42 | zenwryly | Anyone know of an interface to apt-get.org, I mean aside from the webbrowser |
| 05:28.44 | zenwryly | :) |
| 05:28.56 | epsilon | interface? |
| 05:29.44 | w1w1t0m1 | zenwryly: u can write one in any scripting language :) |
| 05:29.44 | zenwryly | well, I always do the same thing. I go there I search, I browse from the options, I copy and paste the text from the download as text link |
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| 05:30.04 | zenwryly | w1w1t0m1: exactly, only where someone else has already don it! :) |
| 05:30.10 | zenwryly | Ok, thought it was worth checking |
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| 05:34.13 | nehoksan | diazepam? |
| 05:34.14 | nehoksan | lol |
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| 05:41.20 | Learner` | what command do I need to type to reset the firewall to default config in the shell? |
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| 05:41.34 | tuv | iptables -F? |
| 05:41.44 | infamy | what is the easiest way to revert a package update? |
| 05:41.56 | Learner` | thanks |
| 05:42.00 | infamy | i got a new php5 package and it has a problem |
| 05:42.04 | infamy | how can i roll it back/ |
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| 05:43.22 | fusion | use system restore |
| 05:43.54 | infamy | ?!?! this is debian not windoes xp |
| 05:44.07 | fusion | hehe |
| 05:44.15 | fusion | sorry i was being fooony |
| 05:44.24 | tuv | infamy, dpkg -i <package.deb>. you can find the old package.deb file in /usr/cache/apt/archive |
| 05:44.24 | nehoksan | +trying |
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| 05:44.34 | nehoksan | ;P |
| 05:44.41 | fusion | trying isnt needed when I misspell funny :P |
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| 05:45.16 | tuv | infamy, or maybe apt-get install package=<old-version> (i'm not sure of the syntax) |
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| 05:47.03 | enouf | infamy: no - tuv said dpkg -i <-- no that will install the pkg (dpkg -l will show it to you only) - what you want is apt-get --purge remove php5pkgsname |
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| 05:48.12 | tuv | enouf, he wants to roll back to the older version. he can force a downgrade by installing the old package.deb using dpkg -i |
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| 05:49.57 | infamy | well there is a problem with the current php 5.1.6 package and session |
| 05:50.00 | infamy | or so we we think |
| 05:50.24 | tuv | infamy, file a bug report |
| 05:50.41 | infamy | that does not solve my problem |
| 05:50.42 | tuv | infamy, run reportbug |
| 05:50.44 | infamy | first fix problem |
| 05:50.47 | infamy | then report |
| 05:50.52 | killfill_ | cannot find the device for my sata raid on linux. how do i found that out? |
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| 05:51.08 | tuv | infamy, not necessarily. you can report a bug for which you don't know a solution |
| 05:51.38 | sagarp | i'm trying to do the netinst for this old laptop...but it always fails at "debconf-i18n" ...apparently it's corrupt on the cd...how can i tell it to get that pacakge from online? |
| 05:52.10 | infamy | tuv: before i report the bug i need to be back up and running |
| 05:52.29 | tuv | infamy, then install the older version that is known to be working |
| 05:52.34 | enouf | tuv : ... gah - if that's the way it works I'm switching distros |
| 05:52.58 | tuv | enouf, downgrading is not supported in debian, so any way is the way |
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| 05:53.30 | tuv | enouf, there is the other way using apt-get, but i'm not sure about the syntax. you can specify the version in the apt-get install command |
| 05:53.46 | Weedy_laptop | anyone here have mysql5 installed? |
| 05:53.54 | zenwryly | Is there a way I can convince apt that another package fulfills the dependency another package thinks it needs? |
| 05:54.07 | tuv | Weedy_laptop, i used to, but uninstalled it two days ago ;) |
| 05:54.08 | enouf | tuv: 1st you remove the problem pkg |
| 05:54.56 | tuv | enouf, not necessarily. besides, if you remove it and reinstalls it you will still get the newer version. so you end up using the same command for downgrading |
| 05:55.21 | Weedy_laptop | tuv, so not helping |
| 05:55.33 | Any_Key | zenwryly change the dependencies in *.deb |
| 05:55.40 | enouf | tuv: nope - not if you THEN reinstall the older version |
| 05:55.45 | tuv | Weedy_laptop, you didn't mention a problem and i answered your question |
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| 05:56.27 | Weedy_laptop | theres a bug in mysql5 and i want to see if debians version also has it |
| 05:56.50 | enouf | tuv: and actually - if you did NOT --purge remove the older version prior to uprading - you likely already don't even need to reinstall, but that is th one caveat I'm not sure of |
| 05:56.51 | Weedy_laptop | if it doesnt i will reimage my server, if it does i dont have to |
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| 05:57.09 | zenwryly | Any_Key: hmm, I was hoping to have some way to convince apt of this going forward so I can apt-get dist-upgrade and it will install updates to the confused package |
| 05:57.54 | RainbowW | where can i find a howto on setting up a headless X server? the vnc server i want to use won't start X, it must already be running, and i don't have console access to fire one up at the console. |
| 05:57.56 | tuv | zenwryly, install the equivs package and read its docs. basically it allows you to create a dummy package the only provides dependencies |
| 05:58.27 | zenwryly | tuv: that's it! Thanks |
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| 05:58.47 | Any_Key | zenwryly I used it once to install smth with crappy dependancies. |
| 05:59.58 | infamy | ls |
| 06:00.06 | infamy | who can tell i'm in the shell |
| 06:00.18 | infamy | so there i no easy way to go to a specifique package version? |
| 06:00.28 | RainbowW | oh. kay. |
| 06:00.30 | infamy | i want to roll php 5 back to a different package |
| 06:00.44 | infamy | i'm very confused on how to do that |
| 06:00.50 | enouf | infamy : see my comments above |
| 06:01.09 | tuv | infamy, see my comments above |
| 06:01.18 | tuv | even more confusing :) |
| 06:02.05 | infamy | apt-get -i just install the old version over it.. |
| 06:02.36 | fusion | how might i tell debian to use kde for default x session? |
| 06:02.47 | fusion | by editing files i mean.. no GUI (remote server) |
| 06:03.52 | enouf | infamy : how and what php5 pkgs did you install? |
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| 06:05.40 | tuv | fusion, try update-alternatives x-session-manager |
| 06:05.54 | tuv | fusion, try update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 06:07.22 | tuv | enouf, purging will also uninstall all php5 dependencies! |
| 06:07.47 | sanmarcos | !ubuntu |
| 06:07.47 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. A distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 06:08.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:08.07 | nvz | heh |
| 06:08.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:08.57 | tuv | dpkg, why we are unable to support Ubuntu here? |
| 06:08.58 | dpkg | tuv: what are you talking about? |
| 06:09.04 | bcr | lol |
| 06:09.49 | nvz | !botsnack |
| 06:09.50 | dpkg | nvz: :) |
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| 06:12.14 | zenwryly | tuv: how would I use equivs to convince apt that the version of the package that I *do* have installed is sufficient for what the package I want to install needs? |
| 06:12.46 | peterS | zenwryly: to my knowledge you can't use equivs that way |
| 06:12.58 | nvz | you could you just wouldnt do it like that. |
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| 06:13.03 | peterS | zenwryly: what makes you think the version you have is sufficient, anyway? what packages are these? |
| 06:13.09 | tuv | zenwryly, won't "provides package-name=version" work? |
| 06:13.13 | sm | evening all |
| 06:13.14 | nvz | well maybe not I dont know |
| 06:13.15 | peterS | tuv: no |
| 06:13.34 | sm | what is the best packaged tiling window manager ? |
| 06:13.42 | peterS | sm: probably ion3 |
| 06:13.52 | nvz | sm: yes ion3 is very nice |
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| 06:13.55 | peterS | but "best" is a pretty empty word |
| 06:14.02 | sm | ah there it is, thanks |
| 06:14.24 | Any_Key | sm wmii ? |
| 06:14.28 | zenwryly | tuv: ok it might, sorr |
| 06:14.30 | nvz | peterS: unless you just got laid, then you always tell them they were the best heh :P |
| 06:14.37 | zenwryly | tuv: I didn't even know what to try :) |
| 06:14.47 | zenwryly | nvz: what do you mean? |
| 06:14.48 | peterS | nvz: then it's an even emptier word |
| 06:15.25 | tuv | zenwryly, you could force-install the dependant and edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to modify the dependencies there, but you'll be offered to upgrade than package all the time |
| 06:15.39 | tuv | s/than/that |
| 06:15.49 | nvz | peterS: yeah but you're still gonna wake up horny so... |
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| 06:15.59 | nvz | its nessicary |
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| 06:16.32 | Guerin | speling is necisary |
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| 06:16.39 | nvz | whatever :P well I gotta get back to work.. the b |
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| 06:16.54 | nvz | my manager didnt want to give me a break anyhow |
| 06:17.32 | Guerin | nvz: fascist slavedriver! You should stick it to the man by downloading goat pr0n on the work internet connection |
| 06:17.43 | Guerin | sorry, i mean the Man |
| 06:17.45 | nvz | said "what are you gonna do to deserve a break" I said "i'm scheduled for 8 hours company policy says no crew memebr should be on floor more than 6 consecutive I dont have to deserve it" |
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| 06:18.29 | nvz | I normally dont take one anyhow but it sounded good tonight |
| 06:19.08 | nvz | got an extra guy there till 4 and he was gonna let him go at 2:30 so I took a break before he left |
| 06:19.37 | jetscreamer | go postal baby |
| 06:20.00 | nvz | and its like 20 after now so I better head back to hell for a few more hours |
| 06:20.21 | jetscreamer | do the fight club thing |
| 06:20.28 | jetscreamer | confront him |
| 06:20.50 | jetscreamer | damn, blueberry muffins good |
| 06:20.57 | jetscreamer | mmm |
| 06:21.22 | kellyh | anyone able to help me track down a problem with cupsys/printing? |
| 06:22.07 | jetscreamer | we're not that kind of channel |
| 06:22.22 | jetscreamer | we're the 'just ask' kind of channel |
| 06:22.49 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 06:22.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:23.47 | kellyh | jetscreamer: ok, i've installed a fresh install of debian testing on an old p200, i've been trying to get an old HP LaserJet 6L working, cupsys is installed, and so on, but when I use the web admin interface, it does't list any devices at all |
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| 06:25.56 | burhan | I'm trying to install debian using the netinstaller. I have two network cards (both work on linux). One is yukon marvel 88E8053, the other is a intel wireless (2200BG). The yukon uses the 'sky' module on my current linux distribution. What is the equivalent for debian? |
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| 06:26.10 | insmod | kellyh: install foomatic |
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| 06:26.57 | tuv | burhan, doesn't debian-installer recognize the card? |
| 06:27.01 | Guerin | burhan: should be the same, since the linux kernel is still the linux kernel |
| 06:27.38 | Guerin | burhan: if your kernel doesn't contain sky, you might need a new one. WHat version works with it? |
| 06:27.56 | liable | unless the old distro patched the kernel |
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| 06:29.03 | kellyh | insmod: foomatic appears to already be installed |
| 06:29.21 | insmod | kellyh: and you see no drivers? |
| 06:29.37 | kellyh | insmod: yep, lpinfo -l gives no output |
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| 06:30.15 | insmod | kellyh: what about localhost:631/admin |
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| 06:30.42 | m1ke_l | cant you mount an nfs share with a certain user permission? |
| 06:30.48 | m1ke_l | mount server:/share /mnt/folder -U 1000 |
| 06:30.48 | m1ke_l | <m1ke_l> or something? |
| 06:31.26 | kellyh | insmod: when I do the 'add printer' thing, i get the information bit (give it a name etc), next page (select device), gives nothing on the drop down box |
| 06:32.04 | insmod | kellyh: are you root |
| 06:32.15 | kellyh | insmod: yes |
| 06:32.21 | liable | kellyh: whats dmesg say about the printer? |
| 06:32.58 | kellyh | its listed as attached to parport0 |
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| 06:33.25 | kristalino | how to setup the root password of mysql ? |
| 06:33.35 | rrk | anyone used etch rc3 for software raid ? |
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| 06:33.46 | insmod | kellyh: apt-get install cupsomatic-ppd |
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| 06:34.31 | jetscreamer | kellyh: apt-get install hpoj or hplij ... is it usb? i found using the nomenclature you see in console when hpoj starts better than lp0 or parport, in the cups web admin page... linux.hp.com btw |
| 06:34.47 | zenwryly | nvz, peterS, tuv: Ok, so the package "Depends: python2.4-ctypes (>= 0.9.6)" and I have python-ctypes "Version: 1.0.0-1" installed with "Provides: python2.3-ctypes, python2.4-ctypes". How do I convince the package I'm trying to install that it's all ok? |
| 06:35.00 | kellyh | jetscreamer: its a parallel printer |
| 06:35.06 | jetscreamer | even so |
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| 06:35.29 | jetscreamer | my officejet 600 is also |
| 06:35.38 | RainbowW | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i'm trying to get X to run without a mouse. what device do i use? i don't actually have a mouse on this box. the purpose is to run X with a vncserver eventually. |
| 06:35.39 | jetscreamer | linux.hp.com |
| 06:35.46 | peterS | zenwryly: I guess the best you can do is get the source, edit debian/control, and rebuild the package. |
| 06:35.46 | jetscreamer | read up |
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| 06:36.32 | jetscreamer | the nomenclature reads something like mc:par:lp blahblah or some;hting |
| 06:36.33 | kellyh | insmod: there is no package for cupsomatic-ppd, it just tells me that foomatic-filters replaced it |
| 06:36.40 | tuv | zenwryly, i don't see the problem. you have version 1.0 and need >= 0.9.6 |
| 06:36.50 | jetscreamer | oh and there is a pp something you want |
| 06:36.54 | jetscreamer | i forget the name |
| 06:36.55 | zenwryly | tuv: exactly |
| 06:37.06 | zenwryly | tuv: apt is still telling me it doesn't work |
| 06:37.14 | tuv | zenwryly, you need not convince anyone about anything |
| 06:37.15 | insmod | kellyh: replace them |
| 06:37.20 | roxy_ | I tried aptitude remove, purge and reinstall but uim-anthy gives me error for all. What else can I try ? |
| 06:37.30 | zenwryly | tuv: says it's not installable |
| 06:37.31 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 06:37.31 | dpkg | methinks fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 06:37.33 | peterS | zenwryly: the problem is that versioned provides are not supported. this has been something we've grumbled about for probably 8 years now |
| 06:37.44 | jetscreamer | let it break |
| 06:37.49 | zenwryly | peterS: ah! |
| 06:37.49 | peterS | jetscreamer: bad advice in this case |
| 06:37.52 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 06:38.03 | zenwryly | peterS: well at least I understand why I can't do it now :) Thanks |
| 06:38.08 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: was it for me ? |
| 06:38.21 | peterS | zenwryly: so I assume there's already a bug filed about this case? there should be. |
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| 06:38.41 | jetscreamer | yeah, come to think of it |
| 06:38.46 | zenwryly | peterS: no, I'm doing naughty things with an ubuntu package |
| 06:38.57 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 06:38.57 | jetscreamer | !naughty |
| 06:38.58 | numist | !tell me about backports |
| 06:38.59 | Guerin | finally, a sane balance between horizontal and vertical resolutions |
| 06:39.04 | linux__alien | I have got Debian sarge. how do install Mplayer. Whats the repository name that should be there in the Sources.list to get Mplayer intsalled |
| 06:39.10 | peterS | Guerin: 4:3 ratio? |
| 06:39.20 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 06:39.20 | dpkg | marillat is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 06:39.24 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 06:39.41 | jetscreamer | !tell linux__alien -about mplayer |
| 06:39.46 | Guerin | 64khz h X 75hzv @ 1152x864 |
| 06:39.56 | tuv | linux__alien, debian-multimedia.org |
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| 06:40.05 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 06:40.10 | Guerin | peterS: hm, you might know this: is there some sort of mojo to striking the best balance between v and h refresh? |
| 06:40.10 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, the 75 Hz is sane. I can't really live with much less than that |
| 06:40.20 | jetscreamer | 60 sucks |
| 06:40.38 | roxy_ | can I just delete all the files belonging to the package ? |
| 06:40.39 | jetscreamer | flickery |
| 06:40.45 | peterS | Guerin: the H refresh is sort of just a fallout from the rest of the parameters, you don't aim for anything in particular. really the highest H your monitor can do is what you want, since that's usually the limiting factor in what you can get in terms of resolution and V |
| 06:41.07 | Guerin | peterS: this screen will do 1280x1024@87v, but x will only do that with a 47khz horizontal |
| 06:41.19 | jetscreamer | the hwinfo values don't cut it? |
| 06:41.30 | Guerin | oh, hwinfo, good idea |
| 06:41.34 | peterS | Guerin: oh now that's odd. I'm guessing that's really 43.5 Hz interlaced? |
| 06:41.38 | Guerin | duh, I was working from googled monitor spec |
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| 06:41.49 | Guerin | peterS: it *was* flickery |
| 06:42.06 | peterS | Guerin: yeah probably interlaced. 47 kHz is pretty low. |
| 06:42.27 | rrk | anyone used etch rc3 for software raid ? |
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| 06:42.43 | peterS | Guerin: personally I'd probably go for 1280x960 and see how high I could push the V refresh |
| 06:42.51 | jetscreamer | !tell rrk -about ask |
| 06:43.01 | peterS | since most CRTs are a 4:3 ratio physically, this way you get square pixels and round circles |
| 06:43.17 | peterS | (whereas 1280x1024 is a 5:4 ratio) |
| 06:43.48 | burhan | can someone help me translate this page from german? It talks about installing debian on my laptop, but I don't know what its doing with the knoppix cd. http://tuxmobil.de/toshiba_tecra_a4_linux.html |
| 06:43.57 | ootput | rrk: how long ago was rc3? I've used b3 with software raid on a sil3112 chipset and sata drives |
| 06:44.05 | peterS | ootput: a few weeks old now |
| 06:44.14 | rrk | trying for a software raid |
| 06:44.28 | peterS | Guerin: however if you don't mind the jittery look of interlaced display, the 87 Hz mode is probably fine.. |
| 06:44.32 | rrk | should be the latest |
| 06:44.34 | kellyh | hmm, linux.hp.com doesn't list the 6L in the HPLIP supported devices list |
| 06:44.42 | ootput | rrk: then yes ;) |
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| 06:44.54 | kellyh | i've reinstalled all the foomatic stuff and still get nothing |
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| 06:45.12 | peterS | kellyh: laserjet 6L isn't really much different from previous laserjets. you either throw postscript at it or PCL, and it'll be 600 DPI. |
| 06:45.45 | kellyh | peterS: yes, iirc it should work as a ljet4 |
| 06:45.45 | rrk | i though so but what is the order or how -- i have made them many times |
| 06:45.51 | peterS | kellyh: so e.g. if there's a drop-down list talking about laserjet 4 and 5 series, just pick one of those and you're probably good to go. unless you pick a postscript printer and yours doesn't have the postscript module |
| 06:45.56 | kellyh | but the problem seems that *no* devices at all are showing up |
| 06:46.13 | kellyh | peters: the problem i've having is *nothing* is in the drop down box |
| 06:46.51 | rrk | load the gimp driver s for cups that will populate the drop down |
| 06:47.02 | peterS | kellyh: dang, I forget what I did debian-wise with my laserjet 5 |
| 06:47.06 | ootput | rrk: what do you mean by order? also, address the person you're talking to ;) |
| 06:47.07 | kellyh | rrk: they're installed |
| 06:47.23 | kellyh | at least foomatic-db-gimp-print is installed |
| 06:48.08 | Guerin | peterS: no, I hates the jittery thang. Interesting about the aspect, though, I never considered that |
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| 06:48.21 | rrk | ootput i have a software raid on the box the installer didn't like so i earsed it |
| 06:48.44 | peterS | Guerin: I have _no_ idea how 1280x1024 was picked as a standard resolution, as all the other standards (640, 800, 1152, 1400, 1600) are all 4:3 |
| 06:49.43 | rrk | ooput then tried to build it again if i set the partition as part of a md device i have no mount point and etch won't install |
| 06:49.51 | fusion | how difficult is it to satisfy dependancies in etch? |
| 06:50.08 | fusion | "uninstallable" dependancies that is |
| 06:50.25 | peterS | fusion: there should be very few uninstallable packages in etch. unstable is another matter. |
| 06:50.54 | kellyh | CUPS-Get-Devices: Unknown, [CGI] CUPS-Get-Devices request failed with status 502: Unknown, CUPS-Get-Printers: Unknown - those are in cupsys' error_log file |
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| 06:52.01 | fusion | i wonder if vlc can be compiled.. |
| 06:52.41 | infamy | okay now i'm comfused, i can find the package on the mirrior, but i cannot do a apt-get |
| 06:53.36 | rrk | ootput did what i said make any sense? |
| 06:55.26 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, the monitor's physical diimensions are ~327x248mm, so near enough 1.33, but almost all the modes it wants to use are 1.25 |
| 06:56.00 | Guerin | peterS: i'll settle on 1152x864, which is at least 1.33 and runs at a sane refresh |
| 06:56.13 | peterS | Guerin: indeed |
| 06:56.15 | Guerin | now i just needs me a square and a circle to test |
| 06:57.05 | peterS | heh |
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| 06:57.41 | RainbowW | how do i get xorg to use a display other than 0? I'm getting "Server is already active for display 0" ... this is for a user, not root. |
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| 06:58.13 | peterS | RainbowW: add a :1 parameter to the command line somewhere. be that the 'startx' command line or whatnot |
| 06:58.15 | insmod | RainbowW: startx -- :1 |
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| 06:58.40 | RainbowW | bingo ty |
| 06:58.44 | insmod | RainbowW: startxfce -- :1 whatever |
| 06:59.23 | david__ | ok here what might be a stupid question? where do i find the apache2 log files? They seem to have gone AWOL |
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| 06:59.44 | peterS | david__: normally in /var/log somewhere, you can configure exactly where via /etc/apache2/whatever, if you wish |
| 06:59.58 | insmod | hmm her problems -- you have breasts ? are they firm? |
| 07:00.07 | david__ | thanks peterS |
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| 07:00.34 | Guerin | insmod: insert head /dev/arse |
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| 07:00.45 | Guerin | error: already inserted |
| 07:00.49 | insmod | Guerin: joke |
| 07:01.34 | tuv | insmod, an impolite one |
| 07:01.51 | insmod | tuv: :) |
| 07:02.12 | Guerin | not really impolite, necessarily |
| 07:02.15 | Guerin | just stupid |
| 07:02.47 | kellyh | insmod: *rolls eyes* |
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| 07:03.35 | insmod | kellyh: how you doin :) |
| 07:03.53 | kellyh | insmod: apart from a lack of sleep and a non-working printer, fine |
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| 07:04.54 | insmod | kellyh: if it doesn't list in http://localhost:631 any printer ther is a prob with cups is it started? |
| 07:05.08 | jauricchio | Hi all! I need the _previous_ revision of a package in etch, but I can't find it on the mirrors. What should I do? |
| 07:05.09 | kellyh | insmod: cups is started |
| 07:05.17 | RainbowW | i don't understand why kde starts for one user but not another ... where does the user configure which wm to start? this is for remote sessions, not console, so gdm/kdm/xdm isn't the answer. |
| 07:05.26 | tuv | insmod, if it's not started, :631 won't work |
| 07:05.37 | insmod | kellyh: i would reinstall all |
| 07:05.45 | kellyh | insmod: i did that |
| 07:05.53 | insmod | tuv: good piont |
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| 07:06.10 | insmod | kellyh: what browser |
| 07:06.16 | kellyh | i'm thinking that cups is rather broken perhaps in testing/unstable and maybe just wiping and starting over with 3.1 would be easier |
| 07:06.20 | kellyh | insmod: firefox |
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| 07:06.35 | insmod | kellyh: try another |
| 07:06.42 | insmod | kellyh: what happens |
| 07:06.46 | tuv | RainbowW, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 07:07.58 | RainbowW | tuv: as root? or as user? |
| 07:08.07 | tuv | RainbowW, this will probably change the default |
| 07:08.11 | tuv | RainbowW, root |
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| 07:08.35 | kellyh | insmod: opera gives same results |
| 07:09.50 | tuv | kellyh, try installing the "Print Server" task |
| 07:09.58 | insmod | kellyh: change /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge then reinstall cups |
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| 07:10.23 | insmod | tuv: ? |
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| 07:10.45 | tuv | insmod, there might be some support packages that are not installed |
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| 07:10.55 | kellyh | tuv: I did when I first installed the system. |
| 07:11.14 | tuv | kellyh, i thought you installed cupsys by hand |
| 07:11.15 | insmod | kellyh: just down grade it |
| 07:11.30 | piper69 | hi |
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| 07:12.06 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:12.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:12.11 | tuv | kellyh, insmod: i had a working network printer setup that broke few weeks back :( haven't fixed it yet |
| 07:12.13 | kellyh | insmod: I get 'Reinstallation of cupsys is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.' |
| 07:12.40 | insmod | kellyh: if you remove it can |
| 07:12.44 | tuv | kellyh, did you apt-get update? |
| 07:12.58 | insmod | tuv: chech the .conf |
| 07:13.05 | kellyh | tux: yes |
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| 07:13.32 | insmod | kellyh: changed source? |
| 07:13.39 | tuv | insmod, i did everything to that file :/ |
| 07:13.46 | kellyh | insmod: yes, from unstable to stable |
| 07:13.47 | insmod | kellyh: change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:13.57 | insmod | tuv: just not right |
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| 07:14.21 | tuv | insmod, well it's not easy to get it right when it's a text file.. anything can go there |
| 07:14.22 | insmod | tuv: did you back it up |
| 07:14.25 | piper69 | i am using debian 3.1 stable kernal 2.683.386, i added a user acct right now , and when i type irssi in the termial i get "** ERROR **: couldn't create /home/username/.irssi directory |
| 07:14.46 | tuv | insmod, no. i'll probably purge and reinstall again |
| 07:14.50 | insmod | tuv: look for a file~ |
| 07:14.52 | Guerin | piper69: that's no debian kernel |
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| 07:15.23 | piper69 | Guerin 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 07:15.24 | tuv | insmod, the cupsd.conf syntax is unstable right now. they change what goes where every other new version |
| 07:16.20 | insmod | tuv: ya write your own or use and old on or look for an old ~ file |
| 07:16.25 | tuv | piper69, punctuation makes a big difference there :) |
| 07:16.53 | piper69 | tuv hey do u ever sleep |
| 07:17.07 | piper69 | :) |
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| 07:17.21 | tuv | piper69, i'm about to.. my eyes are red :) |
| 07:17.40 | axxsa | omfg... www.groomgle.com just released a public gmail hack, lets you easily manipulate you're google page rank... who should i contact??? |
| 07:17.47 | insmod | tuv: if you use dvd you can test my app |
| 07:17.57 | piper69 | tuv: it's been like 12 hrs ago since i last talked to u |
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| 07:18.26 | tuv | piper69, i wasn't here all that time. had a one hour nap too |
| 07:18.38 | tuv | insmod, i do |
| 07:18.43 | piper69 | tuv hey that work too |
| 07:18.57 | insmod | tuv:http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/ |
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| 07:20.46 | piper69 | tuv if u have time can u help me |
| 07:20.54 | liable | axxsa: if i didnt know better, i would almost say you were spamming us.. |
| 07:20.58 | piper69 | if not i can wait till another time |
| 07:21.00 | tuv | insmod, another dvd ripper? what program do you use? mencoder? |
| 07:21.08 | piper69 | liable hey man how are you |
| 07:21.08 | dpkg | eh, ok, piper69 |
| 07:21.08 | aptitude | just great, piper69 |
| 07:21.20 | liable | piper69: k thanks |
| 07:21.42 | tuv | piper69, you shouldn't trust my opinion when my eyes are red |
| 07:21.44 | etrask | does anyone know if there is a way to use x forwarding over SSH with reduced color to save bandwidth? |
| 07:21.56 | insmod | tuv: ffmpeg |
| 07:22.00 | etrask | going from WinXP with X-Ming to a debian box |
| 07:22.04 | piper69 | tuv hahaha cool bro i will wait till tomorrow no rush at all |
| 07:22.06 | etrask | [and PuTTY as the client] |
| 07:22.13 | insmod | tuv: mine shrinks it :) |
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| 07:22.25 | Guerin | etrask: don't think that would do much. Running ssh -C? |
| 07:22.35 | tuv | insmod, input is dvd only? |
| 07:23.11 | etrask | i use compression by default |
| 07:23.11 | insmod | tuv: : output? |
| 07:23.21 | infamy | okay, how do i install a package i downloaded? |
| 07:23.22 | tuv | insmod, i'll probably try it some time soon.. thanks for letting me know about it |
| 07:23.32 | insmod | tuv: :) |
| 07:23.35 | etrask | still a slow response from work to here [this only has 50kbps upstream] |
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| 07:23.45 | tuv | insmod, i understand it produces avi or dvd, but the input is dvd only, right? |
| 07:24.14 | tuv | insmod, hey, where in canada are you? |
| 07:24.39 | insmod | tuv: no any file to dvd -- dvd shrink-- dvd to avi -- file 2 flv etc |
| 07:24.53 | insmod | tuv: no |
| 07:25.00 | insmod | tuv: burlington |
| 07:25.08 | insmod | tuv: toronto |
| 07:25.24 | tuv | insmod, i'm in kingston ontario.. we should meet :) |
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| 07:25.27 | Guerin | etrask: not much to be done about that. Are you trying to forward a whole connection, or individual apps? |
| 07:25.38 | etrask | just individual apps |
| 07:25.42 | insmod | tuv: how are the criminals? |
| 07:25.44 | etrask | in this case x-chat |
| 07:25.56 | insmod | tuv: sure |
| 07:25.57 | tuv | insmod, still caged :) |
| 07:26.03 | insmod | tuv: lol |
| 07:26.16 | piper69 | good night all |
| 07:26.29 | tuv | insmod, i better sleep now before i do something i regret.. ttyl |
| 07:26.31 | kellyh | ah :) |
| 07:26.41 | insmod | tuv: nigh6t |
| 07:26.44 | insmod | tuv: night |
| 07:26.47 | kellyh | reverting to 1.1.x seems to have gotten it to allow me to configure a printer now |
| 07:27.10 | rrk | does anyone know anything about making a software raid with the etch installer rc3? |
| 07:27.42 | insmod | kellyh: :) |
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| 07:28.38 | kellyh | it isn't printing however |
| 07:28.58 | Guerin | i'd just like to say for the record that I hate printers |
| 07:29.16 | insmod | kellyh: why |
| 07:29.24 | kellyh | i'm not sure |
| 07:29.39 | insmod | kellyh: cupsys restart |
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| 07:30.16 | kellyh | insmod: did that |
| 07:30.59 | insmod | kellyh: hmm does it list |
| 07:31.01 | reilithion | Hey, I have an honestly curious question. What is a strength Debian has that Ubuntu lacks? |
| 07:31.28 | insmod | reilithion: it's debian :P |
| 07:31.32 | rrk | a lack of whizards |
| 07:31.40 | liable | l337 users lol!?! |
| 07:31.42 | kellyh | insmod: the print job? it does ont he admin page, the printer says its state is process,accepting jobs |
| 07:32.09 | kellyh | LoadAllClasses: Unable to open /etc/cups/classes.conf - No such file or directory is in the error log |
| 07:32.11 | insmod | reilithion: can you print test page |
| 07:32.25 | reilithion | I enjoy sarcasm and wit as much as the next guy. But how about a half-serious answer? |
| 07:32.37 | liable | reilithion: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 07:32.56 | tarzeau | reilithion: it has alots more software |
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| 07:33.06 | rrk | i'm serious you can configure debian ubuntu trys to do it all |
| 07:33.19 | tarzeau | reilithion: thus doesn't narrow the user as much, it's much more universal, supports much more architectures |
| 07:33.26 | tarzeau | reilithion: and comes also with Hurd and GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 07:33.30 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 07:33.30 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 07:33.55 | tarzeau | reilithion: debian has alot more developers too |
| 07:34.03 | insmod | kellyh: can you print test page |
| 07:34.16 | kellyh | insmod: no |
| 07:34.26 | kellyh | it says its sent it, but nothing happens at the printer |
| 07:34.32 | insmod | kellyh: and the driver is ther? |
| 07:34.58 | reilithion | Thanks. |
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| 07:35.47 | insmod | kellyh: did you have a diff printer before? |
| 07:35.49 | kellyh | insmod: it populated the drop down box, so i selected parallel:/dev/lp0 (which had other stuff including the name of my printer after it, then selected the printer model etc |
| 07:35.55 | kellyh | insmod: no |
| 07:36.03 | kellyh | always been using the 6L to print with |
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| 07:36.22 | keram | how do i watch .bin movies with xine? |
| 07:36.38 | kellyh | it previously though was connected to a Mac via usb->// adapter, but tiger didnt like the adapter, so put a old pentium box together for it |
| 07:37.01 | insmod | kellyh: xine *.bin |
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| 07:37.27 | Guerin | keram: file movie.bin; give me the output |
| 07:37.47 | insmod | kellyh: pic the closest printer to it -- i use 1510 and use 1610 driver |
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| 07:38.12 | Guerin | insmod: some are encoded to a format that has to be burned to disk, or such - others are just plain mpeg-4 with a changed filename |
| 07:38.13 | keram | Guerin, what does that mean? |
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| 07:38.26 | Guerin | keram: type 'file movie.bin' into a shell and tell me what it says |
| 07:38.49 | keram | movie.bin: data |
| 07:38.57 | insmod | Guerin: not if you watch it |
| 07:39.25 | kellyh | insmod: i selected hplj6l driver initially, didnt do anything, selected ljet4 driver now, and it aborts the job |
| 07:39.54 | insmod | kellyh: wrong driner |
| 07:39.57 | Guerin | keram: you can try playing it in xine, but this might be a stupid one you need to burn to disc or otherwise convert |
| 07:40.13 | keram | i've played .bin movies before tho |
| 07:40.13 | Guerin | insmod: really; some of them are stupid. I know this to be true. |
| 07:40.30 | Guerin | let me be clear: SOME WORK, SOME DO NOT |
| 07:40.47 | keram | "can't create mcop directory" |
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| 07:40.53 | keram | i get that error when i say xine movie.bin |
| 07:41.03 | insmod | Guerin: no -- if it is a video .bin it will play it - otherwise ./*.bin |
| 07:41.18 | insmod | Guerin: no your wrong |
| 07:41.19 | Guerin | keram: right, so it probably came with a cue fiule, which you probably need to burn to cd |
| 07:41.36 | Guerin | insmod: no, I am not wrong. I run a video distribution site. |
| 07:41.44 | insmod | Guerin: so |
| 07:41.47 | Guerin | insmod: with 20,000 members. |
| 07:41.51 | insmod | so |
| 07:42.00 | Guerin | i've dealt with quite a number of videos in all sorts of stupid format |
| 07:42.05 | insmod | are they windows users ? |
| 07:42.10 | keram | oh for real?!?! |
| 07:42.10 | Guerin | insmod: mix. |
| 07:42.13 | keram | LAME |
| 07:42.16 | keram | i deleted the .cue file |
| 07:42.17 | insmod | there you go |
| 07:42.18 | keram | SON OF A BITCH |
| 07:42.24 | keram | AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 07:42.46 | Guerin | keram: you can try other players, as well - mplayer tends to handle things more reliably than xine, also vlc is pretty good. |
| 07:42.50 | insmod | keram: mplayer *.bin |
| 07:43.15 | kellyh | can't the .bin be loaded as a loop device? |
| 07:43.40 | insmod | keram: why -- and yes |
| 07:43.44 | Guerin | keram: possibly, but since it's data, not a filesystem image, i wouldn't like to guess how |
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| 07:44.44 | keram | ic |
| 07:44.52 | Guerin | kellyh: ^ |
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| 07:45.36 | keram | how do i install mplayer? |
| 07:45.40 | keram | is it in merallat? |
| 07:45.50 | insmod | kellyh: yes |
| 07:45.56 | keram | err |
| 07:46.01 | insmod | keram: yes |
| 07:46.08 | nomad_cz | Hi. Has anyone tried pptp/ppp backports for Sarge ? I can make it work - ppp just dies. Version in sarge works ok but there is some issue with mppe - pda (qtek 9100) will not connect :/ |
| 07:46.17 | nomad_cz | I can not ... |
| 07:46.20 | nomad_cz | Sorry ;) |
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| 07:47.03 | kellyh | hmm |
| 07:47.18 | Master_Medic | okay |
| 07:47.20 | Master_Medic | no more nick confusions |
| 07:47.27 | kellyh | it doesn't work with any of the drivers ive tried |
| 07:47.37 | kellyh | i think foomatic isnt working right perhaps |
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| 07:50.12 | insmod | kellyh: cupsomatic-ppd ? |
| 07:50.52 | enouf | Guerin : kellyh: as far as bin/cue and toc files and creating images that are mountable - some info, as it pertains to CDs anyway http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES - someone else posted this here or elsewhere fairly recently |
| 07:50.58 | insmod | kellyh: and is ./lpopions write? |
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| 07:52.40 | kellyh | insmod: it is installed |
| 07:52.58 | kellyh | insmod: erm, where should lpoptions be? |
| 07:53.26 | insmod | kellyh: ~/.lpoptions |
| 07:53.49 | Master_Medic | how do you turn up the volume with mplayer? |
| 07:53.51 | Master_Medic | like what button |
| 07:54.02 | Master_Medic | better yet how do you show the gui menue to do it for u |
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| 07:54.35 | insmod | Master_Medic: gmplayer |
| 07:55.20 | insmod | Master_Medic: or down grade it and edit ./mplayer/conf -- gui=yes |
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| 07:56.08 | Guerin | Master_Medic: 0 and 9 control volume |
| 07:56.35 | Guerin | mplayer guis are a waste of time - there are too many controls to gui-ise without driving you insane |
| 07:57.15 | kellyh | insmod: erm, there is no such file |
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| 07:58.29 | kellyh | i think possibly part of the problems now are mixed testing/unstable and stable packages |
| 07:59.13 | insmod | kellyh: you make it -- but since it's no the it is default |
| 08:00.16 | insmod | kellyh: grr -- have you rebote |
| 08:00.27 | insmod | rebooted |
| 08:00.31 | kellyh | insmod: no |
| 08:00.40 | insmod | try that |
| 08:00.54 | kellyh | ok |
| 08:01.20 | insmod | kellyh: also do apt-get -f install |
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| 08:01.38 | kellyh | insmod: the admin page seems to suggest it is spooling atm |
| 08:01.58 | insmod | kellyh: no |
| 08:02.28 | kellyh | it printed the test page |
| 08:02.56 | kellyh | i removed (and purged) all the foomatic and cupsys packages and reinstalled them, and all the ancillary packages |
| 08:02.58 | insmod | kellyh: :) |
| 08:02.59 | kellyh | seems to have sorted it |
| 08:03.17 | kellyh | i think one of the foomatic or gimp print items might of been expecing v1.2.x of cups |
| 08:03.22 | kellyh | or something like that |
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| 08:13.06 | nomad_cz | Is pppd from backports working ? In my Sarge box just dies - sarge's version works ok but there is some mppe issue I was hoping new version would solve :/ |
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| 08:14.38 | notoke | hola, alguien habla español? |
| 08:14.54 | streuner_ | !es |
| 08:14.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:15.06 | notoke | ok |
| 08:16.03 | Master_Medic | how do i configure my sound card so that anything can use it? |
| 08:16.21 | Master_Medic | kuz i'm getting some dumb messages that its being used by another application or soemthing |
| 08:16.29 | Master_Medic | is there a way to make it so everything can share it? |
| 08:16.46 | cydork | Master_Medic, fuser /deb/dsp to check which app is using it |
| 08:17.01 | cydork | Master_Medic, and you can use esd or dmix for that |
| 08:17.21 | notoke | i need driver for a webcam creative Ex MOD:PD 1050. Can someone help me? |
| 08:17.27 | kellyh | insmod: thanks for your help :) |
| 08:17.44 | Master_Medic | $ fuser /deb/dsp |
| 08:17.44 | Master_Medic | Cannot stat /deb/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 08:17.54 | robin_sz | /dev/dsp |
| 08:17.56 | Guerin | Master_Medic: you lose |
| 08:18.05 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 08:18.09 | aidan | what's the easiest way to login to a remote server and grab 10gb of data via ssh? |
| 08:18.09 | Guerin | cydork: you lose |
| 08:18.14 | aidan | should I tar it on the remote server first? |
| 08:18.23 | nekostar | mmm |
| 08:18.30 | nekostar | is there compiz for sarge? |
| 08:18.35 | Master_Medic | hah |
| 08:18.36 | nekostar | or is it in testing? |
| 08:18.39 | robin_sz | aidan, the easiest way is scp |
| 08:18.47 | Guerin | aidan: rsync from the remote server if it's lots of files; scp if it's a few |
| 08:18.54 | robin_sz | aidan, the sensible way is rsync -e ssh |
| 08:18.59 | aidan | okay |
| 08:19.11 | Guerin | but you need rsync installed on the local machine as well |
| 08:19.18 | cydork | Guerin, hhehe i can see that.. |
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| 08:19.53 | cydork | Master_Medic, did you install alsa? |
| 08:20.03 | aidan | I have rsync on both servers, that's handy |
| 08:20.31 | aidan | does anyone want to guide me through it? do I have to create a server on the remote machine? |
| 08:20.36 | Guerin | rsync > * |
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| 08:20.48 | Guerin | aidan: it's not hard, just rtfm |
| 08:22.00 | roxy_ | I tried to aptitude remove, purge and reinstall but each is giving me error. What else can I do ? |
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| 08:24.57 | roxy_ | complaining that the package is badly broken. |
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| 08:29.43 | roxy_ | aptitude -f remove is also complaining, Is there anything else to do than rm manually the package's file ? |
| 08:29.43 | aptitude | roxy_: what are you talking about? |
| 08:30.17 | Guerin | aptitude: who owns you? |
| 08:30.18 | aptitude | dondelelcaro does |
| 08:30.23 | Guerin | fair enough. |
| 08:30.52 | roxy_ | Guerin: thanks I was getting ready to answer him |
| 08:31.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:31.46 | Guerin | aptitude: mhallsmite karsten |
| 08:31.52 | Guerin | :( |
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| 08:32.13 | Guerin | the mhallsmite is lost to debiankind for ever more |
| 08:33.04 | roxy_ | Guerin: would you have any idea about my problem ? |
| 08:33.19 | Guerin | roxy_: not unkess you paste the error up someplace |
| 08:34.08 | roxy_ | Guerin: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Bt2wQB22.html |
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| 08:35.49 | roxy_ | Guerin: aptitude reinstall uim-anthy(done as root): http://rafb.net/paste/results/ajRmIa67.html |
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| 08:36.37 | vchrizz | could someone help me with qc-usb driver with 2.4.27 kernel? everything seems to be ok, but i cant compile it :/ http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YXucuA68.html |
| 08:36.42 | Guerin | roxy_: wow, that's badass. WHat does dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/uim-anthy*.deb; yield |
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| 08:37.28 | vchrizz | the quickcam.sh script tells "Kernel compiler and gcc seem to be different versions." tried to reinstall the whole thing but doesnt work either |
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| 08:37.49 | roxy_ | Guerin: everything was working fine untill yesterday's aptitude update/dist-upgrade |
| 08:38.01 | Mr_Magic | I want to install a debian server with samba for filesharing, I'm thinking about making the different share directories under a large /home partition, is that a good idea or where should the shared directories fit better? |
| 08:38.32 | roxy_ | Guerin: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1fhwIx91.html |
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| 08:40.22 | Guerin | roxy_: that's ugly, not sure what I'd do there. Are you using sid? |
| 08:40.23 | robin_sz | Mr_Magic, share peoples home dirs from /home, other dats from somewhere in /var |
| 08:41.40 | roxy_ | Guerin: yes |
| 08:42.52 | robin_sz | vchrizz, quikcam is always a problem ... there is some (poor) support inthe kernel, but sometimes I think there are deliberate efforts to try and prevent the old, good, quikcam stuff from working |
| 08:43.07 | peterS | roxy_: try 'aptitude -f install' now, see what it does |
| 08:43.21 | Guerin | roxy_: wait several days, it's bound to be fixed eventually. If not, you can get a list of all files in the package, delete them all, back up your status file, delete that package from it, and hope that works. |
| 08:43.35 | Guerin | peterS: i think he did already |
| 08:43.52 | peterS | oh I missed that |
| 08:43.54 | Guerin | vchrizz: install the compiler mentioned in /proc/version |
| 08:43.57 | vchrizz | robin_sz, well, poor or not, i dont care, just any picture from the cam would be nice ;) im using it just as doorcam lol |
| 08:44.08 | vchrizz | output from the quickcam.sh: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/y5Yfmp58.html ;) |
| 08:44.12 | Guerin | doorcam? do you live next door to a crack dealer? |
| 08:44.35 | ootput | heh |
| 08:44.52 | Mr_Magic | robin_sz: ok thanks, I saw on the net that people also created shares under /home or a different partition, but if the most logical path is /var , I'll create my share there thanks for the tip |
| 08:45.13 | ootput | either that, or he's a crack dealer himself |
| 08:45.24 | vchrizz | lol guerin, nope, i got doors where you see from outside if im standing in front of the door, so i just took any old p133 box and want to use the cam there ;) |
| 08:45.26 | Guerin | ootput: point |
| 08:45.32 | Guerin | ootput: but he seems quite lucid |
| 08:45.34 | vchrizz | loool ootput |
| 08:45.41 | Guerin | ootput: i know what you're going to say ... they always do... |
| 08:45.44 | roxy_ | peterS: it gives the same error. I did all the aptitude command. |
| 08:45.51 | ootput | Guerin: (= |
| 08:46.21 | peterS | roxy_: so the libuim3 package is, or isn't, currently installed? |
| 08:46.34 | robin_sz | vchrizz, there is some support as standard I think ... certainly some of the code that used to work was ported to a kernel module, but it only works for low resolution you need the older module to work with the better resolutions and you can only install the older module if you patch your kernel, which is presumably what your .sh script does? |
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| 08:47.22 | peterS | OMG, you killed cam! you bastards! |
| 08:48.00 | roxy_ | Guerin: thanks for you help. |
| 08:48.22 | vchrizz | robin_sz, well as said, i dont care if i got only 320x240 res ... i just want to get a picture ;) im not sure but i think its because version incompatibility of gcc or similar |
| 08:48.33 | roxy_ | peterS: dpkg -l | grep libuim3 gives nothing, trying to install it complains about uim-anthy beeing broken |
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| 08:49.38 | vchrizz | i tried to 'aptitude remove gcc' reinstalled it again, installed gcc-3.4, ... i dont know what to try further... |
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| 08:50.29 | robin_sz | vchrizz, if you want 320x240 then I think you need the old stuff. you need to patch your kernel and rebuild it before you can install the old stuff, to enable a hook for the binary decompressor (as I remember) so really, you need to be sure of what this quikcam.sh script is actually trying to do, because Ihave not ever seen that script, its not part of debain, so I can only guess what it might do |
| 08:50.37 | vchrizz | googling hours, endless reading mailinglists... im sure its just a small problem which i dont see |
| 08:50.48 | peterS | roxy_: I guess you download it manually and install it with dpkg -i. you can get the package from packages.debian.org |
| 08:50.55 | robin_sz | url of the script maybe? |
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| 08:51.22 | vchrizz | robin_sz qc-usb.sf.net |
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| 08:51.58 | vchrizz | but you dont have to take the time to have a look at it, it is ok cause it worked for me some months ago |
| 08:52.36 | robin_sz | thats not a URL anyway |
| 08:52.41 | robin_sz | thats a host |
| 08:54.10 | Guerin | vchrizz: does the gcc you have installed match the gcc specified in /proc/version? |
| 08:54.21 | vchrizz | yap |
| 08:54.29 | Guerin | ok, as you were |
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| 08:55.19 | Guerin | mm, lamb in T minute 20 minutes |
| 08:55.24 | Guerin | meh |
| 08:55.26 | Guerin | minus |
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| 08:56.02 | ccherrett | how do you create the eth0 interface if it was not created upon boot |
| 08:56.25 | sepski | ccherrett, load the correct kernel module |
| 08:56.43 | sepski | ccherrett, are you sure it's missing ? and not just unconfigured? ifconfig -a |
| 08:56.50 | vchrizz | dpkg -l gcc and /proc/version tell "gcc version 3.3.5" |
| 08:56.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching gcc and /proc/version tell "gcc version 3.3.5" |
| 08:56.57 | vchrizz | lol |
| 08:57.11 | ccherrett | sepski: only the local loopback is showing |
| 08:57.21 | sepski | ccherrett, then load the correct module |
| 08:57.23 | ccherrett | it is a live cd and dhcp was hangin |
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| 08:57.36 | ccherrett | so I disabled it to get booted |
| 08:57.40 | sepski | ccherrett, i didnt know live debian had a working cd yet |
| 08:57.54 | ccherrett | now I am trying to reenable it |
| 08:58.05 | ccherrett | sepski: it is knoppix |
| 08:58.30 | ccherrett | I figured same thing. I hope no offence |
| 08:58.38 | sepski | !knoppix |
| 08:58.38 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 08:58.41 | cydork | ccherrett, plese join #knoppix |
| 08:58.44 | sepski | there is a knoppix channel |
| 08:59.02 | ccherrett | sepski: sorry guys I will do that |
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| 09:00.07 | ccherrett | sepski: why is debian and knoppix different? |
| 09:00.38 | sepski | ccherrett, why ? |
| 09:00.49 | sepski | i guess that's becouse the knoppix developers do things in a different way ? |
| 09:01.28 | sepski | how should i know :) i have hardly used knoppix , i know it have some automagic hardware detection. |
| 09:01.53 | sepski | and that is's a lifesaver if you messed up something |
| 09:02.14 | Guerin | ccherrett: why are gin and vodka different? |
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| 09:02.59 | sepski | !alcohol |
| 09:02.59 | dpkg | hmm... alcohol is the answer to most of lifes problems.., or a good excuse to alias rm='rm -i', or a cause of "rm -rf . / "'s, or the cause of, and solution to, all of lifes problems, or ask me about ambrosia |
| 09:04.21 | ccherrett | Guerin: I don't know I don't drink |
| 09:04.45 | fusion | :/ why is vmware always such a biach to install |
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| 09:08.03 | Guerin | ccherrett: one is spirit with stuff added to give it flavour, the other is high-quality spirit with a flavour of its own |
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| 09:09.14 | peterS | roxy_: the usual debian convention is that libfoo.so.N is provided by the 'libfooN' package. that's why I mention libuim3. |
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| 09:10.25 | roxy_ | peterS: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libuim3&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 09:10.41 | Guerin | roxy_: sid breaks. Deal. |
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| 09:12.38 | roxy_ | peterS: http://rafb.net/paste/results/30KT5M39.html |
| 09:12.40 | peterS | ccherrett: his point is that asking "why are X and Y different" is a bit of a silly question. they _are_ different, that's the main thing. vodka isn't gin and knowing _why_ it isn't gin is not going to help you much |
| 09:12.56 | roxy_ | Guerin: shouldn't I try to fill a bug report ? |
| 09:13.03 | Guerin | roxy_: sure. |
| 09:13.14 | Guerin | roxy_: if there isn't already such a report |
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| 09:13.26 | Guerin | and if there is, add your findings to it |
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| 09:15.15 | peterS | I'm not enough of a drinker to know gin. vodka is ok, so long as it's diluted one way or another. no liquors are all that good straight IMO |
| 09:16.07 | peterS | hmmm. interestingly, I dont' think I've tried gin _or_ ubuntu. coincidence? |
| 09:16.38 | roxy_ | G |
| 09:16.39 | Guerin | maybe. |
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| 09:18.09 | ccherrett | peterS: yeah you are right I don't want to get drinking the two just to find out :) |
| 09:18.29 | peterS | ccherrett: yeah if you drink too much knoppix you definitely get a headache the next morning |
| 09:19.01 | ccherrett | peterS: next morning I have one now :) |
| 09:19.35 | peterS | cherubiel: you must've been drinking debian |
| 09:19.38 | peterS | ccherrett: ^^^ |
| 09:20.13 | zenwryly | could I get someone to /msg me? I'm testing my client. |
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| 09:26.38 | cydork | zenwryly, /msg dpkg test |
| 09:26.39 | zenwryly | heh |
| 09:26.39 | zenwryly | thanks |
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| 09:30.29 | MatBoy | what is a nice to use backup program with a good report-function for Debian/Linux ? |
| 09:31.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:31.49 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:31.57 | tarzeau | MatBoy: i like rsync |
| 09:33.13 | tron_ | hmmm, is there a package I can reconfigure to reset up my system audio? I updated the kernel and things are fubared sound-wise and I am pretty sure all I need to do is reconfigure something... |
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| 09:33.55 | MatBoy | tarzeau, ok, can be done indeed |
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| 09:34.26 | tarzeau | tron_: whcih soundcard? which kernel? |
| 09:34.32 | tarzeau | tron_: oss or alsa? which sound app? |
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| 09:35.40 | tron_ | tarzeau, It's an SBLive card and on 2.6 kernel... I think before it WASN'T set on OSS and now it is or something but it complains of not being able to access /dev/dsp because it doesn't exist. I already followed dpkg's directions for using MAKEDEV audio |
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| 09:36.04 | tarzeau | tron_: lspci line of soundcard? |
| 09:36.13 | tarzeau | tron_: which 2.6 exactly? which alsa version? |
| 09:36.25 | tarzeau | tron_: and what audio app do you start, which msg does it exactly say |
| 09:36.35 | tron_ | heh |
| 09:36.36 | tarzeau | if you can't provide enough and exact information, nobody can help you |
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| 09:36.43 | tron_ | sure thing mate |
| 09:36.48 | tron_ | well |
| 09:37.15 | fusion | would reinstalling a kernel image help me if something is complaining about a difference in headers and the installed kernel? |
| 09:37.19 | jc808 | hi all, anyone here know how to write a configure.ac statement that allows the user to specify a path? |
| 09:37.36 | tarzeau | fusion: no |
| 09:37.37 | tuxd00d | Tron is a good movie, I own two copies on DVD, one being a collectors edition |
| 09:37.53 | tarzeau | fusion: what is complaining? |
| 09:37.57 | tarzeau | fusion: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:38.27 | fusion | tarzeau: VMWare workstation is complaining that installed headers do not match the kernel installed even though they are the same version |
| 09:38.43 | fusion | it also suggests using gcc4.0 instead of 4.1 installed |
| 09:38.45 | tarzeau | fusion: make sure the headers are really the same version |
| 09:38.51 | tarzeau | fusion: and in, what says uname -a ? |
| 09:38.53 | fusion | they are |
| 09:39.02 | tuxd00d | I'm having a awful time finding the netinstall floppy image. Could you guys help me find it? |
| 09:39.06 | fusion | 2.6.16-2-486 |
| 09:39.07 | tarzeau | fusion: yes, but not the same configuration |
| 09:39.18 | tarzeau | fusion: and what says linux.h ? and the Makefile ? |
| 09:39.27 | fusion | well i dont understand that, if it was an image install, shouldnt the headers from the image be the same?! |
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| 09:39.44 | cydork | !floopy |
| 09:39.45 | tron_ | 00:0a.1 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 07) ; lspci output && 2.6.8 -> 2.6.16 && tried xmms which said "warning oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory |
| 09:39.52 | tron_ | tarzeau, how's that? |
| 09:39.52 | cydork | !floppy |
| 09:39.53 | dpkg | [sarge floppies] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
| 09:39.59 | cydork | tuxd00d, ^^ |
| 09:40.05 | tron_ | tuxd00d, yes I like themovie too :) |
| 09:40.07 | tuxd00d | thanks guys |
| 09:40.20 | tarzeau | fusion: they should |
| 09:40.25 | tarzeau | fusion: sometimes you need kernel-source (linux-source) |
| 09:40.34 | fusion | I've tried that too |
| 09:40.38 | RainbowW | so i've got x11vnc running, but something has totally trashed the display. disconnecting and reconnecting the client doesn't help; shutting down and reloading x11vnc doesn't help either. what gives? the other user's x11vnc, on the same box, is working okay with the same setup. |
| 09:40.50 | tarzeau | fusion: then go to the kernel source and set the Makefile first 3 lines manually to be like uname -a |
| 09:40.54 | tuxd00d | !floppy |
| 09:40.55 | dpkg | i guess sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
| 09:41.00 | tarzeau | fusion: run make, abor tit after one minute, retry vmware modules |
| 09:41.10 | tarzeau | tron_: much better... |
| 09:41.27 | tarzeau | tron_: do you remember which driver you loaded? and why /dev/dsp disappeared? which /dev fs do you have? |
| 09:41.43 | fusion | tarzeau, the makefile has version =2 patchlevel = 6 sublevel=16 and that matches uname -r |
| 09:42.10 | tarzeau | fusion: no it doesn't |
| 09:42.20 | tarzeau | fusion: you forget -2-486 |
| 09:42.26 | tron_ | tarzeau, I don't recall ever making any audio settings, ever... which is why I am looking for perhaps a package I can reconfigure or something.... I don't know why /dev/dsp disappeared and I don't know why ./MAKEDEV didn't work |
| 09:42.30 | tarzeau | fusion: and no, don't ask me, it'll work when you add that |
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| 09:42.44 | fusion | dont ask you it'll work? |
| 09:42.47 | fusion | what do you mean? |
| 09:42.50 | tarzeau | tron_: did you cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV dsp ? |
| 09:42.53 | fusion | do you mean you dont know if it will work? |
| 09:42.58 | tron_ | and the /dev/ fs ? I think it's just the same as the partition fs, no? |
| 09:42.59 | tarzeau | fusion: don't ask me why it wants that -2-486 crap |
| 09:43.05 | tron_ | no |
| 09:43.05 | Guerin | he means 'don't ask me why, but it will work' |
| 09:43.11 | tarzeau | Guerin: thank you |
| 09:43.16 | tarzeau | Guerin: because it's braindead |
| 09:43.17 | fusion | where do I add that, at the sublevel with 16? |
| 09:43.20 | tron_ | Guerin, hey mate |
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| 09:43.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: also that there's no makefile target to just recreated the linux versio header files |
| 09:43.30 | fusion | i'm not braindead |
| 09:43.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: i sometimes forget english is your second? third? language |
| 09:43.33 | fusion | I just don't assume shit |
| 09:43.39 | tarzeau | Guerin: 3rd/4th |
| 09:43.44 | Guerin | yikes |
| 09:43.46 | tron_ | !/dev/dsp |
| 09:43.47 | dpkg | no /dev/dsp device? try 'cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV audio'. If sound does not work after that, try 'cat /dev/sndstat' (although some OSS drivers and ALSA don't initialize it even if it's working). Also, if /dev/dsp is locked and you don't know which app is using it, try 'fuser -k -v /dev/dsp'. If you want normal users to use the sound device, add them to the audio group with addgroup then chgrp audio /dev/dsp. Also, ask me about audio |
| 09:43.53 | Guerin | the others? turce, german, french? |
| 09:43.54 | tarzeau | fusion: man i don't understand it myself, it IS retarded |
| 09:43.58 | tron_ | should he say ./MAKEDEV dsp? |
| 09:44.24 | cIclops | tron_, have you tried using /dev/dsp1? that fixed the prob with my SB Live card with 2.6 |
| 09:44.47 | fusion | the headers wont even make... |
| 09:44.49 | RainbowW | oooookay. |
| 09:44.50 | tarzeau | cIclops: then you have a zero soundcard or a 2nd one |
| 09:45.02 | tarzeau | fusion: that's why i tell you to use the source |
| 09:45.15 | tarzeau | fusion: i do that for vmware modules and nvidia ones |
| 09:45.18 | cIclops | tarzeau, yes onboard sound |
| 09:45.21 | tarzeau | fusion: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 09:45.28 | tron_ | hmmm |
| 09:45.33 | tron_ | yeah first soundcard |
| 09:45.39 | tron_ | so I want dsp or dsp0 |
| 09:46.39 | fusion | mm i dont have nvidia stuff.. |
| 09:46.58 | tron_ | alrighty thanks for the help, tarzeau |
| 09:47.04 | tron_ | will mess with it some more later |
| 09:47.23 | tarzeau | tron_: dsp usually links to dsp0 (or whatever you want your apps to use by default) |
| 09:47.43 | tarzeau | fusion: it was just an example how people are not able to build nvidia driver modules without kernel source |
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| 09:48.10 | fusion | oh |
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| 09:48.54 | tron_ | THANKS |
| 09:48.57 | tron_ | peace |
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| 09:58.56 | Guerin | !xmodmap |
| 09:58.56 | dpkg | well, xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session |
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| 09:59.21 | Guerin | !extended chars |
| 09:59.21 | dpkg | methinks extended chars is to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (iso8859-1 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command |
| 09:59.28 | Guerin | my memory wins! |
| 10:01.38 | liable | !prize Guerin |
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| 10:08.49 | Rockj | I'm about to buy a controller from HighPoint (ROCKET RAID 1640), it says on webshop that it supports linux (SuSE, Red Hat, Caldera, Turbo), can I assume that Debian have support for it too? |
| 10:10.00 | sepski | Rockj, as long as the kernel version in debian (2.6.8 for the current stable) support it, you should be ok |
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| 10:12.15 | Rockj | where do I find out what the kernel supports? is there a list? |
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| 10:18.10 | war95 | Rockj: get the latest kernel |
| 10:18.13 | war95 | Rockj: and make menuconfig |
| 10:18.17 | war95 | Rockj: go to sata controllers |
| 10:18.23 | war95 | Rockj: also that is not a real card card |
| 10:18.26 | war95 | Rockj: you can also check here |
| 10:18.36 | war95 | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 10:23.14 | k31th | will a du -ks /home/blah tell you home much is in there? INCLUDING the places it sym links to ? |
| 10:23.41 | war95 | don't think so w/symlinks |
| 10:24.15 | k31th | hum how can i find out how much is i there INCLUDING sym links ? |
| 10:26.19 | enouf | k31th: man du ...see -L -P options |
| 10:28.23 | Rockj | war95: oh, Thanks. seems to be hard to use HighPoint on linux. I've just heard they are better then the Promise controllers. |
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| 10:38.33 | simonrvn | dead on a sat. morning (EST5EDT)... |
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| 10:39.04 | simonrvn | usually there's more activity here *shrug* |
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| 10:42.19 | sepski | it's been eerie quiet that's for sure |
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| 10:45.38 | Rockj | war95: Will it be bad to stick with --> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#promise-2300 |
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| 10:46.27 | Rockj | TX4310 one. |
| 10:46.54 | war95 | Rockj: the only real raid = Areca or 3ware |
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| 10:48.12 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.16 | Rockj | war95: oh, but I'm not that rich yet :/ |
| 10:48.47 | Rockj | its just for a small fileserver I have. I assume mine will be good enough then. if it should be a real server, I would stick with scsi anyway :) |
| 10:48.59 | helmut | Hi. My PC speaker does not work anymore and I strongly thing that this problem is Debian related. It somewhen worked, is reproducable on two machines (testing and unstable), I know at least one linux 2.6.16 debian unstable (not updated) that works and at least one 2.6.16 set up with current unstable that does not work. |
| 10:49.18 | Rockj | (still a young student) |
| 10:49.47 | helmut | Do you know about recent changes in console-something that might disable pc speaker support? |
| 10:50.00 | helmut | A way to debug this problem would be equally helpfull. |
| 10:50.39 | helmut | (knoppix 5.0 [debian bases] has a working pc speaker and a 2.6.17 iirc) |
| 10:51.08 | helmut | (reproducable on both i386 and amd64) |
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| 10:55.53 | john_doe | is it possible to suspend a job, save it to disk, and resume it after a reboot? |
| 10:57.11 | helmut | john_doe: you can suspend the entire operating system. |
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| 10:58.01 | helmut | john_doe: this is not possible with "normal" applications (this would be especially difficult for open filedescriptors like sockets), but some have manual support (john the ripper for example) |
| 10:58.09 | john_doe | helmut: yes, but I don't want that |
| 10:59.12 | cydork | john_doe, google for cryopid |
| 10:59.54 | john_doe | cydork: thanks |
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| 11:09.16 | Colorfool | how do I set a user id and group to 0? what command im a complete newbie :) |
| 11:09.17 | kristalino | what is the debian command to add-remove rc.d scripts ? |
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| 11:10.14 | cydork | kristalino, try update-rc.d |
| 11:10.23 | Tomcat_ | Do I have to reboot after a libc6 update? (3.1r3) |
| 11:10.24 | ootput | update-rc.d |
| 11:10.28 | blondie | Colorfool: you dont want to do that |
| 11:10.31 | cydork | Colorfool, trust me you dont want to do that |
| 11:10.38 | cydork | blondie, you win :) |
| 11:10.43 | ootput | kristalino: you can also use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf (frontends) |
| 11:10.55 | Colorfool | it's ok just give me the command i need to do that :) |
| 11:11.06 | blondie | Colorfool: no |
| 11:11.11 | Colorfool | damn it |
| 11:11.13 | Colorfool | :) |
| 11:11.19 | blondie | you'll completely break your system. |
| 11:11.21 | ootput | kids |
| 11:11.23 | Colorfool | how? |
| 11:11.29 | blondie | if you did that. |
| 11:11.36 | Colorfool | just make another root right? |
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| 11:11.54 | blondie | if you don't know how to do it, you shouldn't c.c |
| 11:11.58 | Colorfool | or someone with root priveleges? |
| 11:12.04 | kristalino | ootput, cydork thanks ! |
| 11:12.19 | Colorfool | i need to do it because the dedicated server has silly su thing and i can't login as root through ssh :( |
| 11:12.28 | blondie | use su then |
| 11:12.29 | cydork | Colorfool, if you want something that try sudo. |
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| 11:12.42 | cydork | Colorfool, or su |
| 11:12.44 | blondie | I wouldn't use sudo... too insecure |
| 11:12.54 | helmut | Tomcat_: no, the update should restart the services and he update should be fine. |
| 11:13.00 | blondie | Colorfool: you're not meant to login as root by ssh |
| 11:13.09 | Colorfool | su doesn't work with winscp382 |
| 11:13.14 | blondie | or an account with root priveleges, it's what su is for |
| 11:13.19 | Tomcat_ | helmut: Thanks. :) |
| 11:13.41 | helmut | Colorfool: learn about pam and make it login as root (at your own risk) |
| 11:13.42 | blondie | Colorfool: copy the files as another user, then move them with su |
| 11:14.01 | blondie | helmut: doesn't need to do that... just one word to change in sshd_config |
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| 11:14.10 | Colorfool | any know how to login with winscp382 as root with su? |
| 11:14.13 | helmut | blondie: oh. I disabled root login via pam. :-) |
| 11:14.23 | blondie | Colorfool: you can't login "with su" |
| 11:14.48 | helmut | Colorfool: you just cannot. |
| 11:15.05 | cydork | Colorfool, man su |
| 11:15.06 | blondie | Colorfool: why do you "need" to scp files as root? |
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| 11:15.24 | Colorfool | coz it's easier for a newbie |
| 11:15.27 | Colorfool | :) |
| 11:15.41 | helmut | Colorfool: you should copy the files you want to copy to the user directory and the copy where you want (two steps for more security) |
| 11:15.44 | mr_claus_ | hi, it seems my snmpd does not load all the mib files, the entry in /etc/default/snmpd is correct |
| 11:15.52 | Guerin | ... |
| 11:15.59 | mr_claus_ | snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost gives me to less informations |
| 11:16.05 | Guerin | !moron Colorfool |
| 11:16.05 | dpkg | Colorfool: You are moron #57 |
| 11:16.11 | blondie | Colorfool: easier to get your box rooted |
| 11:16.14 | helmut | Colorfool: of course you can enable remote root login, but you should only do that if you know what you do (and the you know how to do that) |
| 11:16.39 | Colorfool | ok tell me im willing to do it |
| 11:16.43 | Guerin | Colorfool: turn your computer off now and go and play on the road |
| 11:16.48 | Colorfool | so just let me learn from my mistakes :) |
| 11:17.10 | Guerin | Colorfool: if you want to learn from your own mistakes, you must first learn how to make them |
| 11:17.19 | Colorfool | !moron Guerin |
| 11:17.20 | dpkg | Guerin: You are moron #11 |
| 11:17.20 | Colorfool | lol |
| 11:17.36 | Guerin | Colorfool: so go forth and make mistakes, but you'll get not helpmaking them here. |
| 11:17.51 | Guerin | ooh, monkey see, monkey do! |
| 11:17.51 | Colorfool | ok |
| 11:17.57 | Colorfool | i want to set up the serve with |
| 11:18.00 | Colorfool | root access then |
| 11:18.03 | Colorfool | ill change the user back |
| 11:18.04 | Colorfool | deal? |
| 11:18.11 | blondie | no |
| 11:18.14 | Guerin | Colorfool: so go ahead anbd do it. |
| 11:18.27 | Colorfool | geez |
| 11:18.36 | Guerin | Colorfool: we're not stopping you, we're just not going to do it for you. |
| 11:18.38 | helmut | btw. would you consider it a security risk to enable remote root login with a key instead of password? |
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| 11:18.54 | blondie | helmut: yes |
| 11:18.59 | helmut | blondie: rationale? |
| 11:19.10 | Colorfool | ok all i want to know how to change a uid and a gid with debian change it to 1 :) |
| 11:19.11 | Guerin | helmut: remote root login is no more or less secure with key or password, except insofar as the key requires a password of its own |
| 11:19.24 | blondie | because if you access a machine with the key on, you get into the other machine |
| 11:19.40 | Guerin | blondie: only if you know the password |
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| 11:20.00 | helmut | blondie: uhm. if I access the backupserver I can read /etc/shadow and just crack all the passwords. |
| 11:20.02 | Guerin | blondie: if you allow root login with a passphraseless key, you deserve to be put up against the wall and shot |
| 11:20.02 | blondie | Guerin: depends if the key is passworded -- if it is, it's not very useful imo |
| 11:20.21 | Guerin | blondie: wtf? |
| 11:20.51 | helmut | blondie: passworded keys are usefull (in combination with ssh-agent) |
| 11:20.51 | Colorfool | how is it gonna crash the server if i assign value 0 and 0 to uid and gid ? :) |
| 11:21.04 | blondie | that depends on why you use them |
| 11:21.17 | Guerin | Colorfool: the ways in which it could happen are limited only by one's imagination |
| 11:21.18 | blondie | I use them for unattended login |
| 11:21.28 | ootput | Colorfool: go ahead and do it |
| 11:21.32 | Guerin | blondie: hence ssh-agent |
| 11:21.34 | Colorfool | tell me how and i will |
| 11:21.47 | blondie | but ssh is restricted (by iptables and hosts.deny) to only a few networks, and root is restricted to only one machine |
| 11:21.48 | Guerin | blondie: suggest you read about it sometime |
| 11:21.54 | Guerin | cdo it and we'll tell you how |
| 11:21.55 | blondie | nah |
| 11:22.09 | helmut | blondie: you don't believe in spoofing, right? ;-) |
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| 11:23.58 | Guerin | blondie: withing a physically secured network, i can understand, a certain amount of that thinking - i used it at home for a while, for instance - but for anything important, you really ought take more care, and you certainly shouldn't go recommending it to people |
| 11:24.08 | Colorfool | tell me how to screw up my server please :) |
| 11:24.12 | blondie | is ssh-agent going to work with cron? |
| 11:24.19 | Guerin | Colorfool: install red hat |
| 11:24.35 | Guerin | blondie: man ssh-agent |
| 11:24.39 | blondie | Guerin: I didn't recommend anything tyvm |
| 11:24.58 | Colorfool | i got fedora |
| 11:25.01 | eleftherios | Colorfool, I second that |
| 11:25.03 | Guerin | perhaps advocate would be a better word |
| 11:25.03 | Colorfool | so it doesn't matter if i screw it |
| 11:25.18 | Guerin | Colorfool: fedora is virtually guaranteed to fuck up your server |
| 11:25.22 | Colorfool | how do i change the uid and gid of a user plz? :) |
| 11:25.32 | Guerin | Colorfool: and has the added benefit of you not bothering us any more |
| 11:25.47 | Colorfool | heard of wikipedia? |
| 11:25.49 | Colorfool | :) |
| 11:26.13 | ootput | Colorfool: it's rather ironic that you know of an online resource |
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| 11:26.30 | Colorfool | most of their servers are fedora and i don't see them getting hacked |
| 11:26.31 | Colorfool | :) |
| 11:26.42 | peterS | cydork: clearly you don't follow jwz's dnalounge blog. he whines about fedora frequently, except he makes it sound like his problems are generic linux problems |
| 11:27.12 | helmut | Colorfool: vipw # you have been warned |
| 11:27.25 | Colorfool | debian isn't a religion get over it :) |
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| 11:27.40 | cydork | peterS, no i dont. but still i cant believe people use fedora for servers |
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| 11:28.33 | GrimWald | most of irc servers do. |
| 11:28.34 | blondie | Guerin: don't see how that helps. |
| 11:28.40 | Guerin | Colorfool: no, religions are based on questionable history, myth and superstition. Debian is based on beer. |
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| 11:28.45 | Colorfool | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers |
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| 11:28.51 | Colorfool | :) |
| 11:28.51 | Guerin | blondie: what you don't see ain't my problem. |
| 11:28.59 | Colorfool | fedora core to the max |
| 11:29.00 | blondie | Guerin: stop making stupid suggestions |
| 11:29.09 | Guerin | blondie: can't, I never started |
| 11:29.33 | Colorfool | 3 debian machines |
| 11:29.34 | Colorfool | :) |
| 11:29.42 | Colorfool | i give you some credit |
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| 11:29.56 | Cratos | My debian stops with "pciehp: Card not present on Slot(17)", the chipset Intel 975X does allow hot-plug PCI-E but my mobo does not, how can I stop this ( Debian 3.1 i386 & amd64 issue ) |
| 11:29.58 | Guerin | raf256: your twin is here |
| 11:30.06 | helmut | Colorfool: What do you want? I already told you how to change the uid of a user. |
| 11:30.24 | Colorfool | where? |
| 11:30.34 | helmut | Colorfool: 13:27 < helmut> Colorfool: vipw # you have been warned |
| 11:30.50 | Colorfool | you have been warned for speaking the truth? |
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| 11:31.08 | Guerin | raf256: just thought you might like to know that you're temporarily not the stupidest person in #debian |
| 11:31.21 | raf256 | Guerin: fsck off |
| 11:31.27 | ootput | Colorfool: besides annoying the hell out of this channel, what have you done so far to solve your problem? |
| 11:31.28 | helmut | Colorfool: well this will for sure fuck up your system if you don't know what you have to do. |
| 11:31.40 | Colorfool | hmmmm |
| 11:31.46 | Colorfool | it won't screw it in itself |
| 11:31.47 | ootput | Colorfool: have you even consulted online documentation? |
| 11:31.49 | Colorfool | so what is the problem? |
| 11:31.55 | Colorfool | if i hadn't searched |
| 11:32.03 | Guerin | raf256: replace your keyboars, your u key appears to me making 's' |
| 11:32.13 | Guerin | mind you, mine is no better |
| 11:32.23 | Colorfool | it would be easier for you guys just to tell me |
| 11:32.33 | Colorfool | but your religion and the debian 10 commandments don't allow it? |
| 11:32.36 | helmut | Colorfool: you have been told and should stop asking |
| 11:32.39 | Guerin | Colorfool: it would be easier for you to just throw your box out the window |
| 11:32.42 | blondie | Colorfool: no, then you'll be wanting help on how to fix your fucked up system |
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| 11:32.46 | jak | Hi, I'm using debian's apache2 package, and I need to provide my own customised suexec2. I've put it in /usr/lib/apache2 replacing the provided one there. I'm worried that in the future when I upgrade suexec2 will simply be replaced by the package one again. Is there anything that I can do to prevent this? |
| 11:32.47 | ootput | Colorfool: you'll make a terrible admin |
| 11:32.50 | Guerin | Colorfool: defenestrative maintenance |
| 11:32.54 | helmut | Colorfool: just read the manpage |
| 11:33.14 | helmut | Colorfool: I still advise strongly against doing so. |
| 11:33.14 | Colorfool | I must say this: why do debian users read documentation? because they have no friends!!!! |
| 11:33.23 | peterS | jak: this is what 'dpkg-divert' is for. check it out. |
| 11:33.31 | Guerin | Colorfool: if you could take video of it smashing on the ground, that would be cool too - at least then you'd have contributed something interesting |
| 11:33.34 | ootput | lstlog |
| 11:33.51 | helmut | Colorfool: wrong! it's better to tell people how to fish that fish yourself and bring them fish every day. |
| 11:34.22 | jak | peterS, thanks |
| 11:34.24 | helmut | Colorfool: could you shut your box down, before it is hacked? |
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| 11:36.32 | Cratos | My machine always runs fine during the first part of the installation, but always has issues after that with PCI-E HotPlug and uhci-hcd complaining that the host controller halted |
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| 11:38.33 | helmut | Cratos: I suggest collecting relevant data (dmesg, uname, lspci, etc.: be creative) on a website (like a nopaste service) and ask again. |
| 11:39.43 | Cratos | helmut: Good thinking but... I never get the machine in a state where I can have a network connection. |
| 11:40.31 | FernandoMM | Hello, does cron log its action somewhere? Like 8:00pm - webalizer |
| 11:40.42 | helmut | Cratos: good point. can you boot knoppix and mount some usb flash drive? |
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| 11:41.25 | Cratos | Also, where can I report a bug in the AMD64 version of Sarge installer |
| 11:41.27 | helmut | FernandoMM: errors should be sent via mail, normally you can see cron running in some file below /var/log and the suing of cron in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:42.01 | Cratos | helmut: my USB part dies. |
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| 11:42.28 | helmut | Cratos: right. you told about that. floppy? |
| 11:42.39 | FernandoMM | helmut: could you tell me if this line on syslog is cron trying to send an email? Sep 2 08:40:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[5395]: (smmsp) CMD (test -x /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp) |
| 11:42.58 | Guerin | Cratos: probably not worth filing a bug against sarge,especially since the amd64 installer was unofficial |
| 11:43.13 | helmut | Frankablu: yes, I think so. |
| 11:43.14 | eml | Is there any program in debian's reps that can convert lots of .jpgs to an .avi? |
| 11:43.28 | msoul | Hello, I have installed Debian beta 3 Etch three times so far and today I got it to work the way |
| 11:43.31 | helmut | FernandoMM: err wrong nick tabbed, see above |
| 11:43.35 | Cratos | Guerin: but if they do not know there is an issue, they will never solve it |
| 11:43.36 | eml | I don't need any advanced editing, just jpg->avi |
| 11:43.42 | eml | !video |
| 11:43.42 | dpkg | i heard video is interrupt 10h for the video BIOS |
| 11:43.43 | msoul | but I was wondering what did I do that didn't work the first two times |
| 11:43.49 | helmut | FernandoMM: you can check your maillogs too |
| 11:43.49 | Guerin | Cratos: the sarge installer can't be changed, so it's moot. |
| 11:43.53 | msoul | cause I don't see options at all nor shutdown |
| 11:44.01 | msoul | I have to reboot in the console mode etc |
| 11:44.03 | msoul | any idea? |
| 11:44.09 | FernandoMM | helmut: how can i know which e-mail cron is sending those things? |
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| 11:44.28 | helmut | FernandoMM: normally the address that receives mail for root |
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| 11:44.45 | msoul | sorry back.. |
| 11:45.12 | msoul | I just want to know why so it would save me sometimes and *LEARN* of course from my mistakes |
| 11:45.17 | FernandoMM | helmut: ok, i entered as a normal user (ssh) and got "You have new mail". So where can i read this e-mail? |
| 11:45.29 | Guerin | FernandoMM: by typing 'mail' |
| 11:45.33 | Cratos | helmut, I only have a usb floppy drive. How great is that :-) |
| 11:45.42 | Guerin | FernandoMM: or at /var/mnail/username |
| 11:45.47 | Guerin | s/n// |
| 11:45.54 | helmut | Cratos: could you try booting with different versions of knoppix? |
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| 11:46.29 | helmut | Cratos: You can also get information about which kernels work that way. |
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| 11:46.48 | Cratos | I try, but all my part are so new ( i975X chipset Core 2 Duo CPU etc ) |
| 11:46.53 | msoul | mmmmm |
| 11:47.06 | Guerin | Cratos: sughgest you try etch beta3 |
| 11:47.09 | johaBBa | when i do 'dpkg -l' i see some pkgs with rc status that i have removed. how can i complete remove them so they do not show up. |
| 11:47.14 | msoul | anyone care to explain this to me? :) |
| 11:47.38 | helmut | johaBBa: aptitude purge |
| 11:47.41 | msoul | Guerin: yes I did install that with the *expertgui* |
| 11:47.45 | johaBBa | helmut, thx |
| 11:47.47 | Guerin | johaBBa: dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/ {print $2}'|xargs dpkg -P |
| 11:47.55 | FernandoMM | helmut: Guerin: i only get e-mails telling me that wasn't possible to create directory /var/run/sendmail |
| 11:47.58 | Guerin | msoul: i'm not talking to you |
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| 11:48.00 | Cratos | I go and try etch beta3 |
| 11:48.02 | msoul | Cratos: I suggest you to do what Guerin said |
| 11:48.26 | johaBBa | Guerin, wow. i think i understood that |
| 11:48.38 | Tomcat_ | I'm trying to update mailman, but it says I have queuefiles in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles... I can't seem to flush these, no matter how often I restart mailman. Any suggestions? :I |
| 11:48.50 | msoul | Guerin: what's with the hostel? |
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| 11:49.17 | Guerin | msoul: you can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, you can do whatever you feel? |
| 11:49.42 | msoul | heh, not going to argue pointlessly |
| 11:49.43 | helmut | Guerin: I think your version does not always work. Would be better to preprend the first dpkg with something like COLUMNS=200 |
| 11:50.01 | Guerin | helmut: oh, i thought that output problem was fixed nowadays |
| 11:50.05 | Guerin | mah bayd |
| 11:50.14 | helmut | Guerin: unfortunately not |
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| 11:56.16 | blondie | Colorfool: have you broken it yet? |
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| 12:04.26 | ph00 | I connected to a vpn (relakks.com) using l2tp, now: how do I configure my box to route *all* communications thru that? |
| 12:04.42 | blondie | ph00: set it as the default gateway |
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| 12:04.43 | blondie | man route |
| 12:04.53 | eml | Doesn't anyone know of a program that could convert lots of .jpgs to an .avi? |
| 12:04.55 | ph00 | k |
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| 12:05.00 | ph00 | thx |
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| 12:05.03 | blondie | eml: convert might, dunno |
| 12:05.15 | ph00 | but... |
| 12:05.24 | eml | Well I couldn't find that one in my repos though |
| 12:05.33 | blondie | imagemagick |
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| 12:05.52 | eml | Ah, ok |
| 12:05.53 | eml | Thanks |
| 12:06.20 | eml | Do you perhaps know of a program that could do some small cut&paste editing? |
| 12:07.13 | DaBlade | eml: The GIMP? |
| 12:07.20 | nvz | eml: mplayer is what I use to convert movies to image frames but its not in debian you would have to use Christian Marillat's repository |
| 12:07.42 | eml | The GIMP handles avis? |
| 12:07.54 | nvz | eml: you can use mencoder that comes with mplayer to put them back togetehr |
| 12:08.19 | nvz | eml: the gimp is just an image editor.. you need mplayer/mencoder to strip the frames and put them back together |
| 12:08.41 | nvz | eml: you may also need/want the w32codecs package also on Marillat's repo |
| 12:09.05 | liable | he want to make avi, not take one apart |
| 12:09.17 | nvz | liable: just wake up? |
| 12:09.47 | liable | nvz: nope, just about to sleep actually |
| 12:09.47 | nvz | liable: I been talking about both programs here :p |
| 12:10.00 | nvz | both are found in the same place |
| 12:10.09 | knoxy | I was installing the postgrey with postfix mailserver.. The postgrey is rejecting ALL mails.. why? |
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| 12:11.20 | nvz | liable: I just got off work an hour late cause we were real busy last night and if I didnt clean everything before I left they would still be sitting there when I came back.. cause I work with morons.. so yeah I read the question wrong at first.. I been up all night |
| 12:12.14 | liable | nvz: no problem. btw, we all work with morons, the world is full of them :) |
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| 12:13.42 | roue | good morning sunshine |
| 12:14.02 | nvz | liable: yeah well my overnight manager is a good guy and a pretty good trainer.. which is hard to find. and the one maintenence guy is a lot like a jailhouse lawyer bitches about things he cant really change, and there's one girl there I like.. those three aren't morons.. but I think we got like 30 or more other employees that are 1st class morons |
| 12:15.17 | liable | heh, its america, whaddaya want? :) |
| 12:15.24 | nvz | heh |
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| 12:17.44 | nvz | I'm not sure about the store manager.. when you look at him he looks like a first class moron, but sometimes he gives me the idea he might know what he's talking about.. so maybe he's just a plain idiot |
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| 12:23.00 | fujihc | finally I'm a new Sid user........wow |
| 12:23.09 | johaBBa | grats ^^ |
| 12:23.38 | fujihc | hello to everybody |
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| 12:25.28 | nvz | fujihc: hopefully you got apt-listbugs (and apt-listchanges) installed, properly configured your mta, know how to use the bts and mailing lists, and got some idea how to work with broken packages |
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| 12:26.19 | nvz | fujihc: if you answered no to any of these then should we ban you now or wait until you drive us nuts ;P |
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| 12:26.40 | eml | I'm not sure how to convert with mencoder really, "cannot open demuxer"?! |
| 12:27.20 | nvz | eml: mencoder isnt in debian you should talke to the mplayer people in their channel/mailing lists and also rtfm |
| 12:27.42 | eml | nvz, True, sorry |
| 12:28.01 | eml | But I supposed that one of you might've known what a demuxer is, and what I need to install, since you talked about using mencoder. |
| 12:30.33 | nvz | eml: demuxer is the oppisite of a muxer or multiplexer |
| 12:31.07 | nvz | eml: I would guess its purpose it to split thing apart instead of put them together *shrug* |
| 12:31.10 | eml | Doesn't ring any bells though |
| 12:31.29 | nvz | eml: yeah thats why I said ask the mplayer people they might be more familiar with the context |
| 12:31.44 | peterS | eml: what he means is that a demultiplexor splits audio and video channels, which are often combined into a single media file, into their own separate entities |
| 12:31.52 | eml | Mh ok, well I'll ask them if they know what package I need then |
| 12:32.07 | nvz | peterS: no what I mean is I dont know :P |
| 12:32.39 | peterS | heh |
| 12:33.27 | nvz | I am familiar with multiplexing.. but I didnt know it was called muxing I had to look that shit up |
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| 12:35.05 | nvz | I wonder how my flea circus is doing.. it'd be nice if they were dead.. I do know I dont see them as much since I got rid of the other cat |
| 12:35.41 | nvz | I dont even want to take my shoes of cause I sprinkled flea powder in them |
| 12:35.48 | nvz | er in my carpets |
| 12:36.14 | nvz | I was thinking one thing and saying another :: |
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| 12:38.12 | nvz | I found another bug I cant identify on my pillow last night when I was spot-checking for fleas.. I didnt find any fleas but I captured a little red and white thing with a bunch of legs |
| 12:39.01 | Mooi | Hello, how can I use more than one audio application at one time? For example, I cannot talk on Skype while listening to music. Any ideas on how to do that in etch (testing)? |
| 12:39.02 | stoned | damn |
| 12:39.03 | nvz | I would have trown his ass outside but I am curious about what he is.. since I need to know what I am working with if I am gonna rid my house of pests |
| 12:39.10 | stoned | you people just wake up early or never go to sleep |
| 12:39.16 | stoned | nvz, peterS |
| 12:39.25 | nvz | I work 11-7 |
| 12:39.30 | stoned | at least my sleep schedule is fixed |
| 12:39.32 | nvz | I just got off at like 8am |
| 12:39.43 | stoned | 10-11pm to 6-7am |
| 12:39.51 | stoned | its 7:40 cst |
| 12:40.00 | stoned | you're eastern I guess then |
| 12:40.05 | nvz | yeah its an hour later on the east coast |
| 12:40.28 | stoned | what are you doing these days nvz |
| 12:40.40 | stoned | wake n bake :D |
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| 12:41.02 | nvz | I'm working on the bake part.. but I been awake since 10pm last night |
| 12:41.23 | ericpersson | anyone familiar with the mount.d scripts of the usbmount package? |
| 12:41.27 | stoned | word, but really, what are you doing these days. Wake n bake is what I am doing here hehe |
| 12:41.34 | stoned | ericpersson, I am not |
| 12:41.51 | stoned | ericpersson, whats the specific question? |
| 12:41.53 | ericpersson | stoned: oh.. :) |
| 12:42.12 | peterS | stoned: does wake n bake really mean wake and get baked? |
| 12:42.17 | nvz | I'm not doing anything interesting just living alone and working my dead end job out here in Star City |
| 12:42.17 | stoned | dude |
| 12:42.38 | stoned | peterS, just got out of bed, took a shit, brushed my teech, washed my pretty boy face, and packed a bowl |
| 12:42.39 | ericpersson | i added a script in the mount.d directory but the script doesnt seem to be started upon inserting a usbstick(it is mounted and syslog tells me it started run-parts on the mount.d directory) |
| 12:42.46 | fujihc | no problem |
| 12:42.53 | stoned | teeth* |
| 12:42.54 | fujihc | nvz |
| 12:44.13 | nvz | peterS: baked, stoned, throwed, high, cheeched, pie eyed, lit.. |
| 12:44.53 | peterS | so 'wake n bake' is like 'pwned and stoned'? |
| 12:44.57 | stoned | peterS, when I don't need to poop, I simply just gargle with listerine, first thing in the morning, and then I toke up. I have gastric issues and my breath ish orrible in the morning |
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| 12:45.08 | stoned | horrible*. Plus my mouth tastes literally like shit |
| 12:45.15 | stoned | so mouthcleaning is a must for me |
| 12:45.17 | nvz | however you want to say it stoned and I are about to look like vietnamese people |
| 12:45.22 | stoned | lol |
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| 12:45.44 | stoned | I like that, pwned and stoned |
| 12:45.54 | peterS | I can't say I approve of your, uh, higher calling, but whatever |
| 12:45.57 | stoned | peterS, sounds like you have indulged once or twice |
| 12:46.15 | peterS | believe it or not, I haven't |
| 12:46.27 | stoned | wow |
| 12:46.41 | stoned | !popcon |
| 12:46.42 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:46.55 | stoned | !popcorn |
| 12:47.41 | peterS | I have to go to bed though, since the sun's good and up. we work in shifts, the sun and I. |
| 12:47.47 | stoned | lol |
| 12:47.52 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.52 | stoned | nocturnal much? |
| 12:47.53 | peterS | / \ |
| 12:47.56 | stoned | oh sorry |
| 12:47.58 | peterS | you could say that |
| 12:48.00 | stoned | I destroyed your lol dude |
| 12:48.06 | stoned | go for it again |
| 12:48.07 | stoned | lol |
| 12:48.10 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.11 | peterS | / \ |
| 12:48.15 | ericpersson | stoned: the issue really seems to be that osd_cat can not put stuff on my screen from scripts iniatiated by the run-parts in usbmount, any clue then? ;) |
| 12:48.17 | peterS | I can't believe I just did that twice in 30 seconds |
| 12:48.25 | nvz | I am debating if I should go get something to drink at the store or not. I got milk and water in the fridge.. but I only have like 8oz coffee cups and I hate em |
| 12:48.27 | liable | heh, the o gave him a belly button anyway. |
| 12:48.33 | peterS | I'd op-slap me if it weren't a conflict of interest |
| 12:48.38 | stoned | ericpersson, I'm a noob, I dunno anything about linux or mounting. If its not me mounting my woman, then I can't help ya |
| 12:48.56 | stoned | ericpersson, I asked you to to ask your real question because someone else can help you |
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| 12:49.01 | stoned | -to |
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| 12:49.30 | stoned | nvz, I have spend 60$ on food in the past week |
| 12:49.44 | stoned | nvz, I shouldn't have done that, since I can't afford my car inurance now |
| 12:49.46 | Mooi | How can I play multiple sounds at once? |
| 12:49.46 | nvz | yeah well at least you had $60 :P |
| 12:49.51 | stoned | !dmix |
| 12:49.52 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 12:49.55 | stoned | Mooi, ^^ |
| 12:49.56 | ericpersson | ericpersson: yeah, i know.. good point.. :) |
| 12:50.10 | Mooi | thanks !:) |
| 12:50.13 | nvz | I got paid yesturday and after rent expense i had $0.99 left until next payday which is 14 days away |
| 12:50.14 | stoned | sure |
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| 12:50.36 | stoned | Mooi, if you have etch/sid then alsa already support dmix plugin |
| 12:50.46 | stoned | Mooi, configure dmix only for alsa on sarge, |
| 12:50.50 | Mooi | stoned: I am using etch |
| 12:51.05 | stoned | what version of alsa was in sarge, the old one |
| 12:51.14 | stoned | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 12:51.18 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 12:51.42 | peterS | alsa 0.5 is old, alsa 0.9 is kinda old, alsa 1.0 isn't old |
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| 12:52.07 | stoned | thats why I was looking at the version. .9 doesn't have dmix on by default |
| 12:52.14 | peterS | ahhh |
| 12:52.19 | nvz | good news is I got my credit payment for this month taken care of, and I got my phone bill paid off enough for like two months.. I can pay them over all I want and then not worry about it.. I owe like $24 by Sept 24. |
| 12:52.30 | nvz | so when I do get paid again my expenses are taken care of |
| 12:52.47 | Mooi | ok |
| 12:53.07 | stoned | nvz, I get 750$ on the 8th of sep. Then I get 8+14 == umm 22nd sep 750 more |
| 12:53.08 | Mooi | stoned: so to use multiple applications, I need to do what? :s |
| 12:53.18 | stoned | well after taxes, I make 389$ a week |
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| 12:53.55 | stoned | +500/4 |
| 12:54.11 | nvz | stoned: yeah I havent been making that in two weeks.. but I am getting full-time now.. so I should have 80 hours or more this time when my check comes on the 15th |
| 12:54.12 | stoned | or 389x4 + 500 == monthly |
| 12:55.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 583] by debhelper |
| 12:55.06 | stoned | thats 2056/mo |
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| 12:55.19 | stoned | damn, for being a college student without a degree thats not bad at all |
| 12:55.29 | stoned | immagine how much ass I could kick after I graduate |
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| 12:55.53 | peterS | it's not bad. I could live very well (for my standards) on $2000/month. also, this town is cheap to live in. |
| 12:56.14 | stoned | no thats not right |
| 12:56.18 | voxvirus | hi |
| 12:56.19 | stoned | 500-tax |
| 12:56.29 | stoned | about roughly 1800 or 1900/mo |
| 12:56.37 | stoned | now I can afford better weed |
| 12:56.42 | stoned | voxvirus, hi |
| 12:56.45 | nvz | I could live well on half that. and I've been getting by barely with less than 1/4 |
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| 12:57.46 | stoned | MS buys us lunch every now and again, other company partners have a monthly vendor fair |
| 12:58.08 | stoned | give out free toys, raffle etc. and presentations on new gadgets |
| 12:58.12 | nvz | I am considering taking stock in a video game habbit when I get paid again.. maybe sign up for gamefly and go buy one of those older generation consoles like an xbox or ps2 |
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| 12:58.25 | stoned | older? |
| 12:58.33 | stoned | heh, I've a gamecube |
| 12:58.44 | nvz | yeah they have the xbox360 out and ps3 is on its way any day now |
| 12:59.02 | stoned | I've wanted to play some 360 games |
| 12:59.08 | nvz | I can barely keep up with some of the games on the last generation.. so I definatly dont need to waste the money on the new stuff |
| 12:59.13 | stoned | but I'm waiting for ps3, my younger brother has a 360 back home |
| 12:59.30 | stoned | games are now time wasting |
| 12:59.40 | stoned | I concentrate on guitar playing when I'm free |
| 12:59.52 | fusion | anyone had experience with vmware bridging ethernet devices? |
| 13:00.00 | fusion | i can only seem to get nat to work |
| 13:00.13 | stoned | fusion, this isn't a debian related question :) |
| 13:00.17 | nvz | yeah well even the guitar and that keyboard over there get old sometimes. I dont have a real big attention span so I need more than internet and music sometimes |
| 13:00.31 | stoned | NP: Soilwork -|- Natural Born Chaos -|- " Flameout " -|- (Thrash Metal) -|- (rating: 0/0) |
| 13:00.33 | stoned | :) |
| 13:00.47 | stoned | I'm gonna wait until my neighbours wake up, before I jam |
| 13:00.49 | nvz | and I hate settling for cable tv.. it serves only to aggrivate and dissapoint me |
| 13:00.57 | nvz | stoned: how thoughtful.. I dont. |
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| 13:00.58 | voxvirus | stoned: bite me, i've got a dreamcast and it runs debian :) |
| 13:01.13 | nvz | stoned: but then again I have an acoustic.. I will jam whenever I am in the mood |
| 13:01.24 | stoned | nvz, I got basic cable JUST for saving money. Cox has that 100$ a month package, phone, internet, and basic cable |
| 13:01.38 | stoned | nvz, yeah, I gotta have my ears ringing when I jam |
| 13:01.49 | stoned | 400W Marshall Poweramp |
| 13:01.52 | stoned | with 4 stacks |
| 13:01.53 | nvz | stoned: yeah well mines included I am only paying for the internet |
| 13:01.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:02.16 | nvz | I wouldnt pay for cable tv in a million years |
| 13:02.22 | stoned | voxvirus, my ps2/xbox both run debian |
| 13:02.40 | voxvirus | stoned: figures :) |
| 13:02.43 | nvz | especially around here.. the content is even worse than you'd expect from any network television |
| 13:02.47 | fusion | stoned, its installed on debian, and debian is the only dist that i cant get to work with it |
| 13:02.49 | stoned | nvz, well, I was paying 75$/mo for net+phone. I got a roommate, so now he pays 50, and I pay 50 |
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| 13:02.59 | fusion | so thats no more unrelated than ps2 and xboxes running debian |
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| 13:03.45 | stoned | dude, caller id is like 8$/mo |
| 13:03.59 | nvz | stoned: I got a cell phone caller id is included and I dropped 3 features to lower my bill about $30/mo |
| 13:04.12 | stoned | I can't stand cell phones |
| 13:04.19 | stoned | fuck poeple |
| 13:04.39 | nvz | I didnt like em either until I got one.. they have a way of making you feel like you cant live without it |
| 13:04.52 | stoned | I had my first cell phone back in 1997 |
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| 13:05.00 | stoned | first month 3000 minutes of incoming calls |
| 13:05.08 | stoned | I couldn't afford another cell phone for 5 years |
| 13:05.09 | stoned | :( |
| 13:05.26 | nvz | I got mine last winter I havent turned it off since I left the store |
| 13:05.48 | stoned | nvz, so why did you move over to that shit hole? |
| 13:06.03 | nvz | my plan only has 200min and I never use em. thats what all the features like night and weekend minutes, and mobile to mobile calling is for |
| 13:06.04 | stoned | nvz, you wanna get paid? Come where I am and find work here |
| 13:06.17 | stoned | okc is like the technology company capital |
| 13:06.40 | nvz | stoned: I dont really want to be doing that kind of work. |
| 13:06.57 | stoned | what do you do? admin? code? network tech? |
| 13:07.04 | nvz | none |
| 13:07.10 | stoned | if it is IT related, you will do very well here |
| 13:07.24 | stoned | you can even get awesoem payhing work in the oil industry |
| 13:07.26 | nvz | I gave up on IT a long time ago I'm not interested |
| 13:07.31 | stoned | ahh |
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| 13:07.47 | stoned | so what do you like to do now? |
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| 13:08.47 | nvz | I couldnt stand IT work felt too crooked I need to figure out what I can and cant do.. a code of ethics if you will before I do that stuff again |
| 13:09.02 | nvz | I do anything I havent tried before |
| 13:09.37 | nvz | I plan on going back to computer work eventually right now I am just learning other things |
| 13:09.58 | nvz | trying to figure out what it was that made me feel like a slave to the industry to begin with |
| 13:10.11 | nvz | and why I find such satisfaction in other things |
| 13:10.27 | stoned | I'm an Internal Sales Manager |
| 13:10.31 | stoned | I don't like sales |
| 13:10.34 | nvz | I'm on a quest for answers |
| 13:10.46 | stoned | I've got them for you |
| 13:11.01 | stoned | Ask a question, unless you prefer this OT goes to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:11.45 | nvz | I just cant do things I dont believe in and cant feel satisfied with.. I will live on under the bridge and starve before I will take any ammount of money to go against my beliefs |
| 13:11.58 | stoned | beliefs like what? |
| 13:12.08 | nvz | I didnt feel satisfied having to work with shitty commercial software I couldnt make work to my satisfaction |
| 13:12.14 | stoned | morals? |
| 13:12.16 | stoned | ahh |
| 13:12.27 | stoned | personal job satisfaction |
| 13:12.43 | nvz | I was "fixing" the same shit over and over again and charging way too much for nothing. |
| 13:12.59 | nvz | and there was nothing I could do because it was really someone else's problem |
| 13:13.16 | stoned | I've been fired for distributing linux live cds at previous tech support jobs |
| 13:13.16 | nvz | in other fields I can move to the source of a problem and solve it for good |
| 13:13.29 | stoned | I've worked geeksquad for a few months |
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| 13:13.36 | stoned | 99$ just for a diagnostic |
| 13:14.04 | ma3x | hello |
| 13:14.07 | nvz | sure some of the roofs I did around here will leak some day.. but I know for at least 30 years they wont and I can ride by there and know I did a good job |
| 13:14.15 | ma3x | damn, i can't find firmware or support for my wireless router |
| 13:14.16 | ma3x | how come? |
| 13:14.23 | ma3x | it's hitachi, but they don't have anything!è |
| 13:14.26 | ma3x | no support site |
| 13:14.33 | stoned | wtf did you buy it for? |
| 13:14.41 | stoned | shoulda gotten something else |
| 13:14.48 | stoned | netgear is ok |
| 13:14.57 | stoned | ma3x, use google |
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| 13:15.11 | ma3x | stoned I used, and can't find anything god damn useful |
| 13:15.15 | ma3x | what should I type in google |
| 13:15.19 | ma3x | you find and and tell me |
| 13:15.23 | ma3x | i tried., |
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| 13:16.22 | boodie | Hello: I am running etch, for some reason I can't run KDE (say, window maker works) ... any advice? |
| 13:16.39 | ma3x | first of all |
| 13:16.44 | ma3x | my isp masked the damn router |
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| 13:16.48 | nvz | I could work for geek squad if I had to right now as long as I didnt do house calls and I knew I could pin the guilt on them when shit doesnt work to my personal satisfaction. I cant walk into a home and accept money for something I am not peronally satisfied with |
| 13:16.51 | ma3x | so I can't find out its real brand |
| 13:16.54 | ma3x | but I think its hitachi |
| 13:17.09 | ma3x | the isp said that |
| 13:17.18 | ma3x | but where do I find support, firmware for it? |
| 13:17.21 | nvz | but I never heard back from them yet.. I will probably have to reapply and pester them some more.. it would be better paying than my current dead end job |
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| 13:17.28 | ma3x | isp says its model is ah4222 |
| 13:17.44 | raf256 | how to install .rpm? |
| 13:17.55 | peterS | alien |
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| 13:18.39 | stoned | goddamn aliens |
| 13:18.46 | nvz | heh |
| 13:18.52 | peterS | illegal alien, even |
| 13:18.54 | stoned | how come aliens always come to USA and not any other country as much |
| 13:19.07 | stoned | you hear about aliens going to a 3rd world country, EVER? |
| 13:19.10 | stoned | no, you don't. |
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| 13:19.58 | nvz | stoned: an episode of the xfiles made me think it might hold truth that they fabricate alien stories to do whatever stuff they do and make anyone who witnesses it sound so crazy they are discredited |
| 13:20.26 | stoned | you know luke perry |
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| 13:20.32 | stoned | anyway, hes in that movie SuperNova |
| 13:20.43 | stoned | watch it, damn good movie, about sun ending its like and turning into a red giant |
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| 13:20.51 | nvz | I know I am hungry and about to go find breakfast :P |
| 13:20.56 | stoned | it will become big enough to engulf the earth |
| 13:21.12 | stoned | look at what the gov. is doing in that movie |
| 13:21.27 | stoned | The core was pretty good too |
| 13:21.29 | peterS | what, becoming big enough to engulf the earth? |
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| 13:21.38 | stoned | yup |
| 13:21.38 | peterS | that's what I see the government doing |
| 13:21.58 | stoned | no, the sun will, because its a lot older than humans thought it was, and it was nearing its death |
| 13:22.17 | stoned | you should read about how stars die, well, we think they die in that way, theoretical physics |
| 13:22.34 | stoned | its solid theoretical physics, but without any emperical evidence |
| 13:22.59 | nvz | solid theory sounds like an oxymoron |
| 13:23.18 | peterS | well, it's solid at room temperature |
| 13:23.24 | stoned | well if the equations add up, then its solid |
| 13:23.41 | stoned | but.. if there is no evidence to back it up, or experimentation |
| 13:23.43 | nvz | so does theoretical physics |
| 13:23.45 | stoned | well then is not solid |
| 13:23.47 | nvz | for that matter |
| 13:24.52 | nvz | oh well I am going back out to get some food, I should have gotten some on my way home. |
| 13:24.59 | stoned | alright man |
| 13:25.01 | stoned | take her easy |
| 13:25.11 | nvz | steady as she goes.. |
| 13:25.28 | nvz | high speed, low drag. |
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| 13:30.28 | nvz | hmm.. yep after checking images.google.com I am sure these two creatures in my tub are brown recluse.. they are about to die |
| 13:31.08 | DaBlade | The module ipv6 is running, but I don't use IPv6 at all. |
| 13:31.16 | DaBlade | when I try to remove it with modprobe, it says it's being used. |
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| 13:31.31 | DaBlade | How do I kill it and stop it from loading on startup |
| 13:31.35 | DaBlade | Hey lilo :) |
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| 13:33.22 | liable | DaBlade: blacklist it, and remove or comment the bits in hosts (iirc) |
| 13:33.23 | DaBlade | somegeek: Have you found who's behind the attacks on Freenode a couple of months ago? |
| 13:33.29 | nvz | yipe! I thought I only had friendly spiders in my bathroom |
| 13:33.45 | DaBlade | liable: How do I blacklist it? |
| 13:33.59 | liable | DaBlade: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 13:34.44 | DaBlade | It says something as sarge. |
| 13:34.50 | DaBlade | *about |
| 13:34.52 | DaBlade | I use Etch. |
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| 13:35.42 | liable | read it properly.. |
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| 13:36.23 | Janni | Hello. |
| 13:36.48 | DaBlade | liable: Got it, sorry. |
| 13:36.54 | DaBlade | hello Janni |
| 13:37.01 | Janni | I'm quite new to Debian. I installed it on my laptop (Travelmate 420). It seems to work good so far, I like it. But I have one problem... |
| 13:37.40 | DaBlade | Which is? |
| 13:37.43 | Janni | I bought a mini usb hub providing two ps/2 connectors (for keyboard and mouse) for using my beloved keyboard with the ps/2-less laptop |
| 13:37.54 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 13:38.02 | Janni | Everything works great until login. |
| 13:38.17 | tarzeau | someone play #bub-n-bros with me? |
| 13:38.22 | Janni | Just before "login:" appears the following happens when I press a key: |
| 13:38.43 | tarzeau | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net or if you got freebsd cd /usr/ports/ && make -C games/bubbros install |
| 13:38.46 | Janni | No character is printed, instead I get the following kernel messages: |
| 13:39.08 | Janni | "usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 8\nusb 1-2: new low speed USB device using address 9" |
| 13:39.41 | DaBlade | Hm... |
| 13:39.44 | Janni | This happens every time I press a key... |
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| 13:40.10 | DaBlade | Janni: Honestly, I don't know what to do. |
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| 13:40.14 | Janni | Since I don't know very much about Debian yet, I'm a little helpless. But it should be possible to use the keyboard I think... |
| 13:40.16 | DaBlade | Perhaps you should ask in #xorg |
| 13:40.26 | Janni | There must be a process kicking in right before login |
| 13:40.33 | Janni | No, I don't have xorg installed yet. |
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| 13:40.36 | DaBlade | I don't have a laptop, nor do I have a USB keyboard |
| 13:40.39 | Janni | It happens on the console... |
| 13:40.45 | DaBlade | Ok... :/ |
| 13:41.27 | Janni | What I'd like to know is: What process/script could be it, that suddenly changes the system's behaviour right before the login prompt appears? |
| 13:41.55 | DaBlade | I have no idea. |
| 13:42.05 | DaBlade | Try running "dmesg" and read the output there |
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| 13:43.47 | mr_claus_ | hmm, did i something wrong? mrtg gives me not the real network traffic, interface is correct but it's to slow, do i have to wait one hous until the real network traffic is calculated? |
| 13:44.16 | Janni | Hmm. Nothing that look "bad". But I think it's usbcore that's responsible for this behaviour. |
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| 13:48.25 | LinuxHelp | does linux support windows-style hibernation? |
| 13:49.01 | Janni | I think you mean "Suspend to disk". It is supported, yes, but doesn't work on any system. |
| 13:49.26 | LinuxHelp | Janni, yeah thats it, but what do you mean not "on any system" ? |
| 13:50.30 | Janni | If you're using a laptop, have a look on www.linux-on-laptops.com. There you can pick your laptop and see what experiences other users have made... |
| 13:50.35 | uwe | LinuxHelp, i suppose he ment not every system |
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| 13:50.38 | Janni | Err, yes. |
| 13:51.20 | LinuxHelp | uwe, desktop system, but anyway, whats the kernel module I need to add called? |
| 13:51.29 | LinuxHelp | Janni aswell |
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| 13:51.39 | liable | swsusp |
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| 13:52.18 | raz0 | There's a new version - called suspend2 - which works better, at least on my T43. |
| 13:52.38 | LinuxHelp | I've got 2.6.17-3 |
| 13:52.50 | yogyer | anyone using abiwords? |
| 13:53.28 | liable | suspend2 needs a kernel patch though |
| 13:53.49 | liable | but yeah, i use it myself, and it works pretty good |
| 13:54.03 | LinuxHelp | grr, what menu is that under in make menuconfig? |
| 13:54.10 | liable | acpi |
| 13:54.39 | liable | swsusp should be enabled in debian kernels |
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| 13:55.41 | yogyer | i am trying to use green-on-black for abiwords but the cursor disappears. i believe that is becos it remains black. is there a way to set the cursor to the new foreground color? |
| 13:56.46 | LinuxHelp | liable, looking through acpi: AC Adapter, Battery, Button, Video, Generic Hotkey, Fan, Processor, ..., Include Custom DSDT |
| 13:57.04 | LinuxHelp | Nothing stands out |
| 13:57.37 | liable | LinuxHelp: the dir abave acpi iirc |
| 13:57.52 | liable | use the search feature |
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| 14:03.40 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:03.40 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 14:04.41 | shay | LOL |
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| 14:05.30 | Taube | Hi |
| 14:05.47 | Taube | I want to install a debian chroot onto a running linux system - how can i do that? google doesnt help! :( |
| 14:06.24 | liable | Taube: google debootstrap |
| 14:06.25 | shay | Taube, which linux system you have now? |
| 14:06.44 | Taube | shay: Gentoo |
| 14:06.51 | nvz | heh, that was a classic moment |
| 14:07.00 | shay | Taube, http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 14:07.32 | Taube | nvz? |
| 14:08.21 | nvz | Taube: you missed it.. they called up one of our qoutes of the day from a year or so ago right before you came in |
| 14:08.28 | Taube | liable, shay: thx for the moment - i'll take a look |
| 14:09.01 | nvz | Taube: /msg dpkg qotd157 if you are interested |
| 14:09.11 | shay | Taube, do you know enough about linux systems? |
| 14:09.31 | shay | Taube, http://capricorn.woot.net/~jdrew/debian-chroot.html |
| 14:09.35 | shay | that one might help you too |
| 14:09.37 | Taube | shay: Some running Gentoo systems should be enough? :p |
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| 14:09.54 | shay | but you need to know good how Gentoo manages the system to make that |
| 14:10.05 | Taube | Ahh, next step will be to start all services in the chroot after host-system-reboot |
| 14:10.07 | shay | Taube, anyone can run Gentoo, even my little sister did that |
| 14:10.16 | nvz | Taube: yeah, but running _away_ from gentoo systems helps more |
| 14:10.34 | shay | Taube, maybe you can write a document about debootstrapping from Gentoo, it might be useful to others |
| 14:11.27 | Taube | Its a first test if my mail solutions are better running with debian - security, stability etc. - to recompile a mysql and hoping it will start with the old data is a litte bit ... |
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| 14:18.48 | Janni | Hmm. I guess the problem occurs whe uhci_hcd is loaded. How can I achieve, that it is not loaded during the booting process? |
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| 14:21.06 | magyar | how can i forward a message to two recipients with procmail? |
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| 14:23.16 | AnAnt | how can one add a package to debian ? |
| 14:23.44 | tarzeau | AnAnt: copy the .deb ? |
| 14:23.56 | AnAnt | tarzeau: no, I created a package |
| 14:24.06 | tarzeau | AnAnt: how? or install the created one? |
| 14:24.23 | AnAnt | tarzeau: how can I send it to debian guys so that they include it in future distros |
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| 14:24.38 | tarzeau | AnAnt: you can't send it to them, you file an ITP bug report |
| 14:24.41 | tarzeau | AnAnt: and put a url there |
| 14:24.48 | AnAnt | oic |
| 14:24.54 | tarzeau | AnAnt: if you find a sponsor to upload it, then he might sponsor your package |
| 14:25.02 | tarzeau | AnAnt: which software? and where is your package? |
| 14:25.03 | AnAnt | aha |
| 14:25.18 | tarzeau | AnAnt: it's all at www.debian.org/devel |
| 14:25.23 | AnAnt | tarzeau: well, acon & archmage, and they are on my computer |
| 14:25.35 | tarzeau | AnAnt: does your computer have a webserver? |
| 14:25.42 | AnAnt | actually I am not the archmage packager, the auther is the one who packaged it |
| 14:25.43 | tarzeau | AnAnt: is that free software ? can i try it? |
| 14:25.46 | tarzeau | AnAnt: what does it do? |
| 14:25.57 | AnAnt | tarzeau: do I have to have some account to file an ITP ? and how do I file an ITP ? |
| 14:26.13 | tarzeau | AnAnt: you need an email address, using reportbug or your mail client |
| 14:26.14 | AnAnt | tarzeau: what does what do ? |
| 14:26.19 | tarzeau | AnAnt: search google groups for debian + itp |
| 14:26.38 | tarzeau | AnAnt: reportbug also just sends an email with the right text to the right email address |
| 14:26.39 | AnAnt | tarzeau: that sounds easy |
| 14:26.40 | liable | AnAnt: read the new maintainers guide |
| 14:26.45 | tarzeau | AnAnt: acon and archmage, what are they? |
| 14:27.11 | AnAnt | tarzeau: acon transforms Linux virtual console into an arabic console |
| 14:27.18 | AnAnt | liable: where's that ? |
| 14:27.24 | tarzeau | AnAnt: do you know #arabeyes ? |
| 14:27.31 | liable | AnAnt: debian.org |
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| 14:27.50 | AnAnt | tarzeau: I just mentioned acon, archmage (I am neither the author nor the packager) converts CHM files to HTML |
| 14:27.57 | AnAnt | tarzeau: yup |
| 14:28.10 | tarzeau | AnAnt: but are they free software? |
| 14:28.12 | AnAnt | tarzeau: I tried their arabic console thing, but it doesn't work |
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| 14:28.19 | AnAnt | tarzeau: both are GPL |
| 14:28.24 | tarzeau | AnAnt: then that's great |
| 14:28.34 | tarzeau | AnAnt: in #arabeyes there are debian developers |
| 14:28.47 | tarzeau | AnAnt: and they probably are even interested in getting those packages into debian |
| 14:28.55 | tarzeau | AnAnt: so you chances are best join that channel and post urls |
| 14:29.06 | AnAnt | tarzeau: they claim that their arabic console software is better than acon |
| 14:29.21 | AnAnt | tarzeau: so far, I can't even make their software work properly |
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| 14:29.31 | jetscreamer | ok so, i unplugged the intarweb from my dsl modem/router, and turned off all the computers cept this one. so how do i figure out what is causing the network traffic |
| 14:29.38 | tarzeau | AnAnt: i have no opinion about arabic software |
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| 14:29.42 | AnAnt | tarzeau: but their islamic software is great |
| 14:29.44 | naquad | hi everyone! |
| 14:29.46 | tarzeau | AnAnt: nor a need for support of that |
| 14:29.53 | naquad | people, I got some strange problem with Debian Sarge 3.1: it doesn't give other users to work, for example: mysql doesn't start because /tmp/mysql.sock is impossible to bind, can't su to other user it says "No shell" but everything is fine in /etc/passwd. What is the problem? |
| 14:29.57 | tarzeau | AnAnt: do you also do translations? |
| 14:30.22 | AnAnt | tarzeau: no, not translations, I dunno how to do that, nor am I skilled linguistically for that |
| 14:30.29 | xsdg | when is it not "OK" for a package in sid to depend on libstdc++5? (that is, when would it be the right thing to file a bug against a package for that reason?) I want to get rid of all the old versions of gcc hanging around on my system, but a few still depend on libstdc++5? |
| 14:30.33 | asg | naquad: what are the permissions on '/'? paste the output of 'ls -l /' |
| 14:30.52 | tarzeau | xsdg: which, do? |
| 14:30.56 | asg | naquad: sorry, ls -ld / |
| 14:31.25 | naquad | drwx------ 26 root root 4096 2006-08-27 20:52 / |
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| 14:31.37 | asg | naquad: chmod 755 / |
| 14:31.43 | naquad | thnx :) |
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| 14:31.58 | naquad | asg, it worked :) |
| 14:33.04 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 14:33.11 | veleno | hello. how can I format an harddisk ? |
| 14:33.16 | flo2 | hey, does anyone know where I can get the debian testing floppy images? i can only find cd-drivers.img and net-drivers.img on the fileservers :( |
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| 14:33.22 | dvs | veleno, man mkfs |
| 14:33.27 | xsdg | tarzeau: metacam and fglrx-driver (this probably can't be helped, I imagine) |
| 14:33.27 | uwe | veleno, mkfs |
| 14:35.25 | xsdg | tarzeau: and libg2c0 depends on gcc-3.4-base, which wants to remove all of octave and atlas when I try to remove it |
| 14:35.28 | liable | flo2: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/floppy/ |
| 14:35.32 | liable | flo2: but hrm, no root.img.. |
| 14:35.33 | flo2 | liable: right |
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| 14:35.37 | jetscreamer | i looked around for the floppies the other day |
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| 14:35.43 | Taube | shay: Still there? |
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| 14:35.44 | flo2 | jetscreamer: did you find something? |
| 14:35.44 | jetscreamer | i was gonna just use woody, but i finally figured out how to boot the cd from grub on an hd |
| 14:35.55 | jetscreamer | the woody boot floppies i mean |
| 14:35.56 | jetscreamer | the d-io beta 3 cd i mean also |
| 14:35.56 | HNT | hello everybody, how can I overide the default font size of firefox ? very often, the text is unreadable, too small |
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| 14:36.08 | jetscreamer | no didn't find it off hand btw |
| 14:36.19 | Coweater | HNT: firefox has a minimum font size setting |
| 14:36.22 | flo2 | jetscreamer: so you installed woody? |
| 14:36.50 | jetscreamer | flo2: no i booted the cd from grun installed on my hd (the box wouldn't boot a cd) |
| 14:37.02 | jetscreamer | from grub not grun |
| 14:37.05 | HNT | Coweater : how an i change it ? |
| 14:37.29 | jetscreamer | i cpoied vmlinuz and the initrd.gz to hd and booted it, supplied root= in the grub line |
| 14:37.47 | Coweater | HNT: it's with the advanced font setting |
| 14:38.12 | Coweater | edit, pref, content, advanced |
| 14:38.13 | flo2 | damn, i just removed all old (linux) partitions (so grub, too) |
| 14:38.14 | jetscreamer | well time to go to work and enjoy the view from the windows... :( |
| 14:38.45 | flo2 | jetscreamer: thx for the hint |
| 14:38.53 | abhi_ | HNT; simply press ctrl++ |
| 14:39.07 | jetscreamer | woody floppies should work, jsut change sources |
| 14:39.31 | simon23 | hello, can anyone tell me how to get the messages from my linux bootscreen ? (what my comp did while booting) dmesg didnt display that :-/ |
| 14:39.35 | flo2 | ok |
| 14:39.42 | knoxy | I was installed jabberd2 deb package.. My jabber server is ok, but the clients can't log in.. the message in logs is "Sat Sep 2 09:56:47 2006 [notice] couldn't load user, can't start session: jid=gui2@192.168.1.33/Psi".. somebody help-me? |
| 14:39.54 | jetscreamer | you have to enable bootlogd i believe, simon23 |
| 14:40.19 | jetscreamer | /etc/default/bootlogd iirc |
| 14:40.23 | jetscreamer | edit |
| 14:40.30 | HNT | yeah ctrl + is really a good think |
| 14:40.38 | HNT | thanks a lot |
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| 14:41.14 | RichiH | HNT: you can use ctrl + =, too |
| 14:41.18 | Coweater | that's silly to do that every time, set a minimum like it allows |
| 14:41.28 | RichiH | that will make pressing shift unecessary |
| 14:41.55 | Paddy_EIRE | hey guys what is the most recent stable release of Debian and what kind of hardware do i need before Debian will even look at it? |
| 14:42.15 | jetscreamer | yeah i got tired of always having to ctrl + + ... i wound up setting the minimum... |
| 14:42.21 | HNT | Coweater : I do it also, thanks for advice |
| 14:42.41 | RichiH | Paddy_EIRE: as long as it's a 386, debian will run |
| 14:43.13 | jetscreamer | you mean i can't run experimental on my 8088? :( |
| 14:43.28 | jetscreamer | with gnome? |
| 14:43.33 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Stable is "Sarge" and a 386 with 16M RAM plus 500M Disk should be enough. |
| 14:43.39 | simon23 | jetscreamer: thanks, will check that out. |
| 14:43.52 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: That's from memory, the install guide should spell it out. |
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| 14:44.08 | Coweater | 32 mb, sarge doesn't install with 16 i think, have to upgrade from woody |
| 14:44.30 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: 10:44 < Coweater> 32 mb, sarge doesn't install with 16 i think, have to upgrade from woody |
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| 14:44.50 | jetscreamer | it's got 2 megs of extended or...or... hey wtf was it that emm386 made... not extended memory but.... the other one.. omg i forgot |
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| 14:45.01 | dendrite | jetscreamer: Expanded |
| 14:45.02 | corr_ | harrrr debian has old software! |
| 14:45.05 | jetscreamer | ahh thankeee |
| 14:45.11 | corr_ | lol debian is so out of date its not even funny! |
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| 14:45.21 | jetscreamer | run experimantal corr_ |
| 14:45.21 | blondie | it's funnier than you |
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| 14:45.30 | corr_ | and you;re a fucking slut |
| 14:45.31 | corr_ | stfu |
| 14:45.35 | dendrite | jetscreamer: I used to know the difference. One cannot be addressed without paging, Or something. |
| 14:45.40 | Paddy_EIRE | dendrite> to save me a little hastle which iso should i download and how many cds dvds will i need |
| 14:45.57 | blondie | corr_: go away |
| 14:45.58 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Decent net connection? Or slow? |
| 14:46.20 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: If decent, just grab the Netinstall Sarge image. |
| 14:46.37 | jetscreamer | zomg i'm late |
| 14:46.47 | dvs | see that man hatter! |
| 14:46.51 | dvs | *mad |
| 14:46.54 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: That is a small image that downloads what it needs during install. |
| 14:46.58 | Paddy_EIRE | dendrite> i have a 1.1mb connection |
| 14:46.58 | corr_ | blondie: give me a million dollars |
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| 14:47.54 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Netinstall Sarge. Or an Etch beta, if want more up to date, but not fully tested. |
| 14:47.54 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: What is the purpose of this install? |
| 14:49.05 | Paddy_EIRE | ok netinstall sarge sounds good to me :) so how many cds is the offline install of sarge anyway my uncles machine is 2mb net connection i could download the images on his? |
| 14:49.40 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: You only need the first image, each succeeding disk has less and less "popular" software. |
| 14:49.51 | dvs | Paddy_EIRE, What's stopping you from downloading them all (besides common sense)? |
| 14:49.53 | jetscreamer | 2 dvd's |
| 14:49.57 | Taube | Paddy_EIRE: i used netinstall in vmware |
| 14:50.01 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: If you have fast net, just go with Netinstall. |
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| 14:50.13 | Paddy_EIRE | dendrite> basically to make as best use of the older hardware that i haveinstead of dumping it It makes me feel bad doin that :( |
| 14:50.14 | Taube | Paddy_EIRE: and dsl-connectoin |
| 14:50.17 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: You only download what you actually need. |
| 14:50.39 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Ah. Then you'll be creating production servers, and so on, e.g., web server? |
| 14:50.48 | Paddy_EIRE | oh, but isnt there loads of software on the cds that act like repos |
| 14:51.02 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Do take some time to read the install guide. |
| 14:51.14 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Yes, loads of software. |
| 14:51.19 | blondie | Paddy_EIRE: they CDs will quickly become outdated |
| 14:51.22 | blondie | -y |
| 14:51.33 | Paddy_EIRE | k, where can i even buy the debian cds cheap |
| 14:51.48 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: The debian site has that info. |
| 14:52.02 | Paddy_EIRE | i would like to contribute even if its a small amount |
| 14:52.04 | Taube | When i make a chroot-environment - debian wants my proc. Is it dangerous? A bind-mount of proc into the chroot - can someone make bad things out of the chroot via /proc? |
| 14:52.19 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: 1.1 MB/s seems like a decent connection -- why not just grab the netinstall? |
| 14:52.39 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: You can contribute without requiring CDs to be shipped, I believe... |
| 14:52.53 | Taube | Paddy_EIRE: if you have a permanent connection to the internet, use netinstall |
| 14:52.54 | Paddy_EIRE | Im actually goin to do that thx for the advice, its great that debian has this option |
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| 14:54.17 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-contributing.en.html |
| 14:54.35 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: By no means required -- just since you asked... |
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| 14:56.41 | Paddy_EIRE | cheers guys Im excited to see these older comps runnin, last question for now My niece is 11 years old and I would like for her to have an os that she could use to do school work, play flash games and use the odd art program would u recommend debian sarge netinstall for this its on the same 1.1mb connection |
| 14:57.55 | dvs | Paddy_EIRE, the connection speed only matters when installing Debian |
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| 14:58.07 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Sarge would work. Sarge is getting a little old, so some might suggest Etch. However, etch is still in "testing" mode. |
| 14:58.13 | kodachi | hi folks, I've been trying to compile the latest stable kernel on debian, however it keeps segfaulting, albeit in different places. any ideas what could be the problem? this is the first time i've tried compiling my own kernel |
| 14:58.15 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: I would probably go with Etch. |
| 14:58.31 | Paddy_EIRE | k i take it etch has a netinstall too |
| 14:58.34 | dvs | kodachi, what is the EXACT error message? |
| 14:58.36 | dendrite | kodachi: That sounds like hardware problems. |
| 14:59.07 | kodachi | errors like the following: |
| 14:59.11 | kodachi | fs/jfs/jfs_imap.c: In function 'diAllocAG': |
| 14:59.11 | kodachi | fs/jfs/jfs_imap.c:2601: internal compiler error: in remap_decls, at tree-inline.c:364 |
| 14:59.19 | dendrite | kodachi: When computers fail in different ways from one time to the next, that is often hardware issues. |
| 14:59.32 | kodachi | make[3]: *** [fs/jfs/jfs_imap.o] Segmentation fault |
| 14:59.45 | dendrite | kodachi: Run memtest, and make sure your CPU is being properly cooled. |
| 14:59.54 | dendrite | kodachi: Check CPU cooling first, actually. |
| 15:00.14 | kodachi | i did have issues with cooling in the past |
| 15:00.23 | kodachi | when doing heavy compiling |
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| 15:00.28 | Paddy_EIRE | Thanks for all the advice my mind is made up sarge for the older comps and etch for my niece, great stuff guys :) |
| 15:00.34 | Paddy_EIRE | bye |
| 15:00.37 | dendrite | kodachi: And you are again, it looks like. Your issues are *classic* CPU overheating issues. |
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| 15:00.45 | dendrite | Paddy_EIRE: Enjoy! |
| 15:00.46 | kodachi | ah, cool |
| 15:01.01 | dendrite | kodachi: Not cool! ;-) |
| 15:01.24 | kodachi | lol, indeed! |
| 15:02.16 | kodachi | :) |
| 15:02.19 | kodachi | i used to get specific warning messages regarding the temp |
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| 15:02.20 | kodachi | but you think these segfaults are due to temp? |
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| 15:03.00 | kodachi | thanks dendrite, i'll look into the cooling issues (last time it was great big clumps of dust on the fan :) ) |
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| 15:11.16 | ph00 | I tried man ipsec, I ried googling, but I still can't figure out how I configure ipsec to use my username and password when connectiong to a l2pt server (relakks). I'm using a GUI for a bunch of vpn clients, called kvpnc, I can create an ipsec connection to the relakks server and it does connect, but no traffic is router thru it, and I don't get propted to provide username and password. yet, the interface says "connected" |
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| 15:12.10 | ph00 | relakks.com (for english language click the link in the top left corner) |
| 15:12.11 | Smerdyakov | Is there some efficient way for applications to register to receive notifications when new files are created in particular directories of an AFS partition? |
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| 15:15.14 | TiTaN_pi8 | can anybody tell me if composite is supported by the ati drivers nowadays? |
| 15:15.46 | RichiH | Smerdyakov: yes |
| 15:15.54 | RichiH | Smerdyakov: there is a daemon that can do that |
| 15:16.03 | RichiH | Smerdyakov: no idea about the name, though :/ |
| 15:16.29 | Smerdyakov | RichiH, fam? |
| 15:16.57 | TiTaN_pi8 | mmh I have got the latest ATI drives and KDE but when I enable composite in xorg.conf and KDE i get total display corruption |
| 15:16.59 | Trewas | inotify is the kernel-side think for watching files/directories, though I don't know if it works with afs |
| 15:17.09 | TiTaN_pi8 | i can't find anything about it on Google |
| 15:17.22 | Smerdyakov | Trewas, besides the issue of if it works, there's the issue of if it works efficiently enough when watching hundreds of directories at once. |
| 15:17.29 | TiTaN_pi8 | it has been like that with every driver release from about a year ago up till now |
| 15:17.38 | RichiH | Smerdyakov: does not ring a bell |
| 15:18.15 | Trewas | Smerdyakov: I doubt if it can be done more efficiently in userspace |
| 15:19.50 | Trewas | anyway fam seems to do it with dnotify which was the older and crappier version of inotify :) |
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| 15:27.59 | flo2 | if I'm in grub, can I still choose to boot from a cd instead of hd? |
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| 15:33.01 | ph00 | flo2 you do that in BIOS |
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| 15:33.18 | mmiikkee12 | how do i find what package provides a file? |
| 15:33.24 | flo2 | ph00: yes, but my bios doesn't support it :( |
| 15:33.43 | ph00 | flash bios? |
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| 15:33.49 | ph00 | hm... |
| 15:34.06 | flo2 | ph00: real old compaq deskpro 575 :) |
| 15:34.17 | ph00 | well, you could try to make a boot entry for CD I guess... |
| 15:34.38 | Bladerunner05 | Can't start X with ati radeon 9600, x window 7, the error is no screen found |
| 15:34.44 | flo2 | so it should be possible? |
| 15:34.53 | tuv | mmiikkee12, dpkg -S <file-name> |
| 15:35.00 | cydork | !sbm |
| 15:35.00 | dpkg | sbm is, like, Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot from CD if your computer can't. |
| 15:35.07 | cydork | flo2, ^^ |
| 15:35.20 | ph00 | maybe, if you point a grub boot entry to the right file in the cd, it will work (never heard of anything like that anyway) |
| 15:35.21 | ph00 | I don't know if it will work |
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| 15:36.03 | tuv | flo2, sbm works great |
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| 15:36.22 | ph00 | how should a pre-shared key look like? (I'm trying to connect to a vpn) |
| 15:36.27 | flo2 | thanks, I'll try it |
| 15:37.02 | ph00 | I need to enter a pre-shared key but I can't figure out what I should actually type |
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| 15:43.32 | jelly-home | ph00: it's a string, password-like |
| 15:43.46 | jelly-home | ph00: you should have gotten it from your admin. |
| 15:43.47 | ph00 | yeah, OK, now I know how a PSK should look like, but I still don't know where to get mine... (looking at relakks.com site) |
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| 15:44.08 | aubergine| | Hi, how can i tell find that it should only list directorys in the results |
| 15:44.21 | jelly-home | aubergine|: find ... -type d |
| 15:44.35 | ph00 | jelly-home all I got was a username and a password, but when trying to connect to vpn I only get prompted for a PSK, not username/passwd |
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| 15:45.07 | jelly-home | ph00: you need to enter the psk before you even come to the user/pass part. |
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| 15:45.37 | ph00 | yeah, but how am I supposed to do that if I don't have any PSK? |
| 15:45.42 | ph00 | hm... |
| 15:45.56 | ph00 | I'll mail support, to begin with |
| 15:46.06 | piper69 | !dpkg amule |
| 15:46.06 | dpkg | i heard amule is Another eMule P2P client. It is another fork of the xMule project. It connects to the eDonkey2000 network and can be found at http://amule.sourceforge.net/index.php?downloads |
| 15:46.21 | ph00 | so I *could* get a PSK by monday, if I'm lucky |
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| 15:48.24 | webben | Anyone know of a description of how best to install the latest tomcat and mod_jk on a debian-type system? |
| 15:48.58 | aubergine| | When i have a textfile with many entries like dasdff::-232.999.333.333, how can i edit them with the shell that only the numbers at the end are listed? |
| 15:49.06 | xsdg | webben: start out with "go to church; pray." |
| 15:49.24 | webben | xsdg: that's what i thought :) |
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| 15:49.41 | xsdg | webben: honestly, though, I really don't know |
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| 15:49.51 | tuv | insmod, hey.. i just tried out mkvideo. it has to work on a dvd disk in a dvd drive. can't accept a ripped dvd on disk? |
| 15:50.06 | webben | well, how's a more general question |
| 15:50.16 | webben | actually nm |
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| 15:50.28 | jelly-home | aubergine|: you can use cut, sed, awk or perl for that. |
| 15:50.59 | amphi | tuv: dunno - mplayer/mencoder will happily read a ripped dvd |
| 15:51.40 | tuv | amphi, insmod wrote mkvideo |
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| 15:52.03 | amphi | tuv: huh? |
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| 15:52.15 | amphi | tuv: oh, n/m |
| 15:53.30 | jelly-home | aubergine|: for example, if you want the third field if they're delimited by colons, you could do cut -f3 -d: < file |
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| 15:57.24 | funman | hello |
| 15:58.08 | funman | i'm trying to understand the meaning of debian/xmlcatalogs and the usage of update-xmlcatalog |
| 15:58.19 | funman | i'd like to use these tools with another distribution |
| 15:58.44 | funman | i have no knowledge about docbook, and my distribution does not include it |
| 15:59.13 | funman | i managed to package xml-core sgml-base docbook-utils and docbook |
| 15:59.23 | funman | but i still need to add entries to the catalog(s) |
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| 15:59.37 | funman | it's done for sgml since it is pretty simple but i don't understand xml |
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| 16:03.29 | Alone | is there any plan to add xgl+compiz in debian official repositories? |
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| 16:06.04 | k31th | Say for example i have 20gigs of files spread accross different dirs and i rsync them to a server.... now if i move all these files to 1 dir and rsync them to the server... sill it have to restansfer them all again?? |
| 16:06.59 | k31th | Say for example i have 20gigs of files spread accross different dirs and i rsync them to a server.... now if i move all these files to 1 dir and rsync them to the server... will it have to restansfer them all again?? |
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| 16:09.26 | ph00 | OK, looks like I'm connected to my vpn thru something called "racoon" but I can't do anything because I was never prompted for username and password. Is it possible to manually specify those? How? do I add lines to /etc/racoon/racoon.conf (what lines then?) or do I need a text file and a line to point to it in the conf file? |
| 16:10.24 | blondie | k31th: if they're organised differently, probably yes |
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| 16:12.03 | Dexter_F | hi |
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| 16:12.51 | Dexter_F | raid experts around? file server (soft raid5) crashed, now it starts the array with one missing disk, but vgscan won't find the volume groups anymore |
| 16:12.55 | RainbowW | so i've got x running under x11vnc, but my mouse works on one session, but not on the other. where do i look for this stupidity? |
| 16:13.11 | Dexter_F | I'm a little new to raid and lvm, and seriously don't know what to do. appreciate any help. |
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| 16:15.24 | knoxy | what command line to remove all contents of mysql database? |
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| 16:18.35 | typewriter | when is the day going to come when debian finally makes php5 stable?! |
| 16:19.04 | RainbowW | typewriter: when php7 comes out. |
| 16:19.10 | typewriter | haha |
| 16:19.11 | Coweater | the stable distrobution doesn't change |
| 16:19.12 | typewriter | well said |
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| 16:20.21 | RainbowW | i've got two x servers and two vncservers going on one box. the mouse works on one but not the other. where do i start? |
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| 16:22.03 | Gnea | RainbowW: check the configs for the X and vnc servers and make sure that all of the mouse config bits line up |
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| 16:22.48 | Sadneophyte | hi all I would like to talk with someone using debian compiled 64bit ie DebianAMD64 |
| 16:23.00 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 16:23.00 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 16:23.08 | RainbowW | Gnea: that presupposes i know what knobs to turn. |
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| 16:23.28 | Gnea | RainbowW: it's pretty simple - mouse config bits are clearly marked |
| 16:23.35 | Sadneophyte | thanks Gnea but the faqs are really general |
| 16:23.47 | Gnea | Sadneophyte: then you didn't read the entire thing. |
| 16:24.05 | Sadneophyte | Gnea you are problably right... brb |
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| 16:24.54 | RainbowW | so if i rewrite this with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, what device do i use for the mouse? this server doesn't have a mouse on it, and never will. |
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| 16:25.31 | JeffH_ | there's a crap load of packages that appear to have upgrades for my stable debian.. but there's no security advisories for the packages. What's up with that? |
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| 16:26.17 | Sadneophyte | Gnea thanks... I see the irc channel now |
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| 16:26.34 | dendrite | JeffH_: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, and the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 16:27.41 | Gnea | RainbowW: oh, you'd have to edit the config files manually |
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| 16:28.14 | Gnea | RainbowW: and if the X server doesn't know how to interpret a mouse, whether it exists or not, then it's probably not going to have a cursor |
| 16:29.02 | kimo | Just a quickie. I am a network admin. Can I volunteer and help maintain debian servers?? |
| 16:29.03 | JeffH_ | once a release is deemed stable all updates come through 'security' right? |
| 16:29.19 | icwiener | Does anyone know, why the "Report as Spam" button on lists.debian.org ist not shown above every mail? |
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| 16:29.24 | dendrite | JeffH_: I believe that's right. |
| 16:29.30 | Gnea | kimo: probably not |
| 16:29.43 | kimo | Gnea: I noticed.. any idea why |
| 16:29.56 | Gnea | kimo: enough admins? |
| 16:30.09 | kimo | Gnea: heh cool .. ok |
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| 16:32.20 | JeffH_ | interesting.. the updates are coming from the main repository. |
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| 16:34.07 | netsurf3 | i am getting a funky error from alsa |
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| 16:35.41 | JeffH_ | what's the command line switch for apt-get to download but not install updates? |
| 16:35.59 | colabus | -d I believe |
| 16:36.27 | JeffH_ | that's it.. thanks. |
| 16:37.33 | Goshawk | hi, is there a pbuilder guru here? |
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| 16:41.14 | boodie | I have a problems that has been mind boggling me for weeks ... I can't connect to the ADSL, unless I did 'pppoeconf' every time; in few words 'pon dsl-provider' doesn't work |
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| 16:45.34 | VincentMX | hi |
| 16:45.50 | VincentMX | im installing debian |
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| 16:46.03 | VincentMX | but i accidentally selected desktopenvironment |
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| 16:46.13 | VincentMX | what desktopenvironment does debian use? |
| 16:46.19 | mnguyen | What's the debian website that allows you to search for packages in stable/testing/unstable? |
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| 16:46.31 | VincentMX | packages.debian.org? |
| 16:46.34 | mnguyen | im trying to match my development environment to it |
| 16:46.48 | Frazzydee | I just installed debian on a very old computer, and although it seemed to install fine, whenever I try to type something into gnome login, it repeats every character many times |
| 16:46.51 | mnguyen | ty |
| 16:47.06 | Frazzydee | i.e. pressing "m" will come out on the screen as "mmmmmmmmmm" |
| 16:47.16 | VincentMX | ah |
| 16:47.27 | Frazzydee | if I press ctrl-alt-f1, the keyboard works fine |
| 16:47.28 | VincentMX | Frazzydee: i have the same problem in Ubuntu |
| 16:47.36 | Frazzydee | VincentMX: did you find out how to fix it? |
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| 16:47.59 | VincentMX | i set the computer to not repeat keys |
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| 16:48.13 | peterrus | hello, i am using debian etch and want to install nvidia drivers for my new 5500. though i can´t find them. i dont really care what kind of debian distro i have to use. but i just want the nvidia-glx drivers. what to do? |
| 16:48.15 | Frazzydee | VincentMX: ah, do you know how to do that from the console? |
| 16:48.21 | VincentMX | no |
| 16:48.26 | VincentMX | w8 |
| 16:48.36 | VincentMX | login on console |
| 16:48.47 | VincentMX | and type gnome-session |
| 16:49.03 | ph00 | vincent: you are installing both gnome and kde, debian will use gnome by default |
| 16:49.09 | tuv | peterrus, they are in unstable. you can get them from there to work with your etch |
| 16:49.09 | VincentMX | and then go to settings |
| 16:49.37 | peterrus | tuv, okay so i am gonna install etch now and then i will come back |
| 16:49.38 | VincentMX | ph00: so no xfce or fluxbox or anything my pc can actually handle? |
| 16:50.12 | boodie | Hey, does this explain why my KDE does not want to work? Window maker runs fine. |
| 16:50.16 | VincentMX | AMD K6-2 450MHz 88MB SDRAM 13GB HDD |
| 16:50.19 | VincentMX | so |
| 16:51.07 | VincentMX | boodie: what explains why kde doesnt want to work? |
| 16:51.13 | RainbowW | okay so when i start one X session it trashes the video on the other, both under x11vnc. wtf? |
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| 16:52.12 | boodie | That KDE and gnome are unstable (mind you, I'm running testing = etch) |
| 16:52.47 | boodie | I have this problem: I can't connect to the ADSL, unless I did 'pppoeconf' every time; in few words 'pon dsl-provider' doesn't work |
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| 16:53.43 | tuv | boodie, check out your dsl-provider file |
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| 16:54.37 | boodie | tuv: what should i look for? |
| 16:54.43 | minerale | Someone was telling me about gvd, a ddd-like debugger that supported gtk, I can't seem to find it, has anyone heard of it ? |
| 16:54.55 | tuv | boodie, just check that all entries are correct |
| 16:55.00 | VincentMX | how big is a debian install with webserver, emailserver, fileserver and desktop environment? |
| 16:55.06 | VincentMX | 5gb? |
| 16:55.11 | VincentMX | 7? |
| 16:55.13 | tuv | boodie, what exactly happens when you do pon dsl-provider |
| 16:55.14 | tuv | ? |
| 16:55.28 | RainbowW | okay is there a headless x server for x.org? i'm trying to run two independent x11vnc setups on one box, neither of which really needs to be pushed to console. |
| 16:55.29 | tuv | VincentMX, not even half that |
| 16:55.31 | ph00 | vincentmx, I think your pc can handle gnome, it's not so heavy after all... anyway, you can install fluxbox later and uninstall gnome and kde, or you can restart your install and not select desktop environment, but then you 'll have to install fluxbox/blackbox/enlightment/whatever manually from console mode (would give gnome one try first) |
| 16:55.33 | VincentMX | k |
| 16:55.57 | VincentMX | i like kde better |
| 16:56.03 | VincentMX | but that dont run on it |
| 16:56.08 | boodie | tuv: nothing |
| 16:56.10 | Frazzydee | VincentMX: when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace, the session manager just starts up again- how can I kill it completely? |
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| 16:56.22 | VincentMX | goto a console |
| 16:56.24 | tuv | boodie, no output at all? |
| 16:56.28 | minerale | frazzydee: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:56.31 | VincentMX | and type killall gdm |
| 16:56.46 | VincentMX | or what minerale sayd |
| 16:56.58 | boodie | something like 'ifup: pppoe.so loaded' |
| 16:57.05 | VincentMX | i always use killall |
| 16:57.24 | tuv | boodie, could you paste the complete exact output somewhere? |
| 16:57.43 | boodie | ok |
| 16:57.56 | tuv | !tell boodie about paster |
| 16:58.23 | boodie | Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded. |
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| 16:58.33 | boodie | that's all |
| 16:59.02 | tuv | boodie, !! nothing in dmesg/syslog? |
| 16:59.04 | VincentMX | tuv: how big is it then? |
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| 16:59.12 | Frazzydee | VincentMX & minerale, thanks |
| 16:59.16 | VincentMX | np |
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| 16:59.45 | apfel | Can you suggest a program that takes a directory of jpg pictures and scales them down? |
| 16:59.53 | tuv | VincentMX, i have 1491 packages installed and my /usr is 4.0GB |
| 16:59.59 | VincentMX | k |
| 17:00.21 | VincentMX | so it will be around 2.4GB? |
| 17:00.25 | VincentMX | that's like |
| 17:00.27 | VincentMX | tiny |
| 17:00.28 | tuv | VincentMX, that's an awful lot more than just a desktop env. and a webserver |
| 17:00.36 | VincentMX | k |
| 17:00.51 | boodie | tuv: what should I grep for in dmesg? |
| 17:01.01 | tuv | boodie, tail |
| 17:01.10 | tuv | boodie, right after pon... |
| 17:01.21 | boodie | the last lines of dmesg? |
| 17:01.25 | Lorvija | apfel i could if u used windows.. (: cant recall eny for linux now :/ |
| 17:01.27 | tuv | yup |
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| 17:02.08 | apfel | Lorvija: A simple command line program for scaling them would be sufficient for me |
| 17:02.17 | apfel | One picture at a time, that is |
| 17:02.25 | piper69 | good morning all |
| 17:02.35 | tuv | hey piper69 !! |
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| 17:02.48 | Lorvija | apfel i can see if i can find one programs name.. |
| 17:02.56 | Sadneophyte | boodie... 'pppd call dsl-provider' |
| 17:02.56 | piper69 | tuv dude do u ever sleep man (lol) |
| 17:03.12 | tuv | piper69, i just got up |
| 17:03.20 | piper69 | tuv same here |
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| 17:03.46 | VincentMX | piper69: sleep? @ this time? |
| 17:03.51 | Luke-Jr | What kernel headers package is used for testing? |
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| 17:04.19 | piper69 | tuv listen i am in a diffrent machine now, i am trying to install amule but i get "E: couldn't find package aMule" |
| 17:04.30 | RainbowW | so i'm using Xvnc to start an X session ... how can i get it to also start useful things like, you know, a window manager? |
| 17:04.53 | tuv | piper69, what's your mirror in sources.list? |
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| 17:05.26 | piper69 | tuv where can i find the source.list |
| 17:05.30 | tuv | Luke-Jr, if you're up-to-date and using 2.6 kernel, install linux-headers-2.6-<arch> |
| 17:05.45 | tuv | piper69, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:05.58 | Luke-Jr | tuv: what if I want to compile a package for any testing Debian system? |
| 17:06.26 | Lorvija | apfel gah.. been couple months in army now... seems it's been too much =) can't remember the name nor find it |
| 17:06.38 | tuv | Luke-Jr, you don't need kernel headers unless you're compiling a kernel module |
| 17:06.48 | apfel | Lorvija: np |
| 17:06.50 | piper69 | tuv "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 17:07.04 | tuv | piper69, is that all you got there? |
| 17:07.07 | boodie | !paste |
| 17:07.07 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:07.10 | Luke-Jr | tuv: kernel headers are required for libc headers |
| 17:07.15 | piper69 | tuv yep |
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| 17:07.21 | Luke-Jr | tuv: linux/limits.h in particular |
| 17:07.30 | tuv | piper69, and you're using stable, right? |
| 17:07.31 | piper69 | tuv i am a poor guy |
| 17:07.38 | piper69 | tuv yep |
| 17:08.02 | piper69 | tuv i am hella broke that i can't even get free pkgs ..... lol |
| 17:08.11 | tuv | piper69, :D |
| 17:08.31 | piper69 | tuv what was that link for the back doors |
| 17:08.32 | tuv | piper69, pick a mirror off debian.org/mirror/list and add it to your sources.list |
| 17:08.41 | piper69 | k |
| 17:08.41 | boodie | Tuv: the content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/3607. |
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| 17:10.15 | tuv | boodie, hmm.. nothing useful in there |
| 17:10.22 | VincentMX | ? |
| 17:10.25 | boodie | Indeed |
| 17:10.34 | piper69 | tuv let say i want to add ftp.us.debian.org |
| 17:10.35 | VincentMX | debian uses xfree86? |
| 17:10.35 | RainbowW | so i'm using Xvnc to start an X session ... how can i get it to also start useful things like, you know, a window manager? |
| 17:10.50 | piper69 | tuv i will pico etc/sources.list |
| 17:10.51 | boodie | but I have to go (dinner is ready) back later |
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| 17:11.05 | tuv | piper69, use nano instead of pico. pico is not free |
| 17:11.10 | piper69 | tuv and add in the next line ftp.us...... |
| 17:11.20 | piper69 | :D |
| 17:11.26 | tuv | piper69, try to mimic the line you got there |
| 17:11.30 | Luke-Jr | tuv: so where do I get include/linux/limits.h if not linux-kernel-headers? |
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| 17:11.42 | tuv | piper69, e.g. add "deb" in the beginning |
| 17:11.58 | mfrisch | RainbowW: edit ~/.Xsession |
| 17:12.23 | tuv | piper69, and loose the "/updates" bit |
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| 17:12.32 | tuv | piper69, in the new line that is |
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| 17:12.56 | tuv | Luke-Jr, i'm not sure what you're trying to do, or whether i can help you |
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| 17:14.21 | piper69 | tuv didn't work |
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| 17:14.33 | tuv | piper69, what exactly did you add? |
| 17:14.36 | Luke-Jr | tuv: ./bits/local_lim.h:#include <linux/limits.h> |
| 17:14.36 | Luke-Jr | ./nptl/bits/local_lim.h:#include <linux/limits.h> |
| 17:14.36 | Luke-Jr | ./sys/param.h:#include <linux/limits.h> |
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| 17:14.55 | piper69 | deb ftp.us.debian.org |
| 17:14.56 | Luke-Jr | tuv: that's why I need linux/limits.h, not for a kernel module |
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| 17:15.12 | Luke-Jr | tuv: is there someplace I should get it other than kernel headers? |
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| 17:15.24 | tuv | piper69, that's an incomplete line |
| 17:15.36 | mfrisch | Does anyone understand alsa? I have two cards setup in /etc/modprobe.d/sound but It only loads both when it feels like it. |
| 17:15.49 | tuv | Luke-Jr, try asking the whole channel. someone else could be of greater help than me |
| 17:16.09 | piper69 | tuv i should add main at the end eh |
| 17:16.10 | Luke-Jr | mfrisch: modprobe.d is for autoloading on demand |
| 17:16.41 | mfrisch | Luke-Jr: where should I put my card info? |
| 17:16.50 | tuv | piper69, 1. add a protocol part ahead of the url you have (e.g. http://). 2. add "stable" 3. add "main" |
| 17:16.53 | Luke-Jr | mfrisch: udev handles loading modules when they're plugged in, and I'm not sure what debian uses for coldplug |
| 17:17.00 | Luke-Jr | mfrisch: it should be detected automatically |
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| 17:17.51 | tuv | piper69, your url is incomplete. it should look like this: "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/" |
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| 17:18.21 | mfrisch | Luke-Jr: I load the mods using /etc/modules but It only loads the emu101k sometimes. maybe udev is reloading it. It has a blacklist right? |
| 17:18.23 | piper69 | tuv what is the site that i can paste in it i want to show u what i got |
| 17:18.46 | tuv | piper69, if it's a single line it's alright to paste here, otherwise: |
| 17:18.51 | tuv | !tell piper69 about paster |
| 17:19.23 | magyar | as etch is moving closer to stable, is there a newer sid branch than the current? |
| 17:20.21 | piper69 | tuv yeah i know but its in the debian box and i am chatting to u now from win(f***ing)dows box |
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| 17:21.24 | alandd | I have a Compaq Proliant DL380 G1 server. I installed CentOS 4.3 on it so that the hardware health drivers would work properly. However, I want to use Debian (or Ubuntu) instead. Has anyone had success installing HP hardware health drivers (hpasm) on Debian? |
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| 17:21.52 | zenwryly | testing |
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| 17:22.16 | piper69 | tuv #3608 |
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| 17:22.40 | tuv | piper69, what's that number? |
| 17:22.43 | piper69 | tuv in the channels.debian.net/ |
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| 17:22.54 | zenwryly | testing again |
| 17:22.58 | tuv | piper69, you should put in the complete url here! |
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| 17:23.10 | piper69 | tuv last four of my credit card :D hahahah |
| 17:23.15 | Trollinator | can somebody tell me what version of gcc the sid kernel has been compiled with? |
| 17:23.28 | tuv | piper69, that's not a very good idea |
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| 17:24.35 | piper69 | tuv oh no man i am just kidding i don't even have a wallet i was just jokeing that was the post number for http://channels.debian.net/paste/3608 |
| 17:24.48 | jetwork | lies |
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| 17:25.37 | tuv | piper69, hey.. there is a mirrors.kernel.org in your sources.list. you didn't say so!!! |
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| 17:26.53 | tuv | piper69, the first line says you have a malformed line in your sources.list. mirrors.kernel.org got some problems at the moment so you need another valid source |
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| 17:26.57 | anarcat | hello |
| 17:27.00 | anarcat | /usr/share/python/runtime.d/python-gnome2.rtupdate: 4: pyversions: not found |
| 17:27.10 | anarcat | my python packages are broken by this upgrade |
| 17:27.33 | tuv | piper69, i've to go now. you need another good source in sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get install amule |
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| 17:27.40 | anarcat | anyone seen this/has a fix? |
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| 17:30.08 | piper69 | tuv ok bro will talk to u later |
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| 17:32.26 | piper69 | where can i replace mirrors.kernel.org in your sources.list with a working one |
| 17:32.58 | Gnea | you will leave my sources.list alone |
| 17:33.22 | piper69 | Gnea but tuv said that it's not working |
| 17:33.49 | Gnea | piper69: mine is working just fine. perhaps YOURS is broken? |
| 17:34.05 | Gnea | !tell piper69 about mirrors |
| 17:35.13 | piper69 | Gnea i am there but there is many , i am confussed which one to pick |
| 17:35.14 | MidgetKiller | can a few of you help me out? I'm teaching my server what is spam and what isn't. I need a few people to email me so I can show it what real mail is. |
| 17:35.25 | Gnea | piper69: start with your country of origin |
| 17:36.06 | Gnea | MidgetKiller: try the LMKL, that'll teach it quick |
| 17:36.16 | MidgetKiller | i'm not using a linux based mail server |
| 17:36.19 | MidgetKiller | sorry |
| 17:36.32 | Gnea | and you're asking in a linux-based channel because? |
| 17:36.59 | MidgetKiller | because its active, and i was hoping that a few of you good hearted people might be willing to help for a few seconds, thats all |
| 17:37.11 | MidgetKiller | i run a few debian web servers, thats why i'm in here |
| 17:37.23 | Gnea | do you know what the LMKL is? |
| 17:37.24 | piper69 | Gnea which one i should change in my sources.list is it the deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 17:37.38 | Gnea | piper69: keep it uniform |
| 17:37.53 | piper69 | Gnea what do u mean please? |
| 17:38.22 | Gnea | piper69: deb-src is for source code packages - if you're going to change a deb-src line, then keep the deb line that goes with it on the same server |
| 17:38.52 | piper69 | Gnea omg i am hella confused now |
| 17:39.34 | Gnea | piper69: it's so simple: you've got a deb line and a deb-src line, right? |
| 17:39.47 | piper69 | Gnea right |
| 17:39.55 | Gnea | then keep them pointed at the SAME SERVER |
| 17:40.04 | piper69 | Gnea |
| 17:40.09 | piper69 | ok |
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| 17:40.52 | Gnea | piper69: you can change the server all you like - just keep the new server uniform between both the deb and deb-src lines - in other words, keep it as the same server |
| 17:41.18 | Trollinator | can somebody tell me what version of gcc the sid kernel has been compiled with? |
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| 17:41.32 | piper69 | Gnea ok do just out of ur exp which one should i choose |
| 17:41.52 | Gnea | piper69: again, whichever one(s) are in your country |
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| 17:42.43 | Rizz0 | anyone know which repository has unrar? |
| 17:43.06 | Gnea | !unrar |
| 17:43.07 | dpkg | hmm... unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 17:43.12 | Gnea | !non-free |
| 17:43.13 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 17:43.29 | piper69 | Gnea is this the primary or secondary |
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| 17:43.46 | Gnea | piper69: buh? |
| 17:44.09 | piper69 | Gnea i am n00be and sorry if i buged u with my stupid questions |
| 17:44.28 | Gnea | piper69: np |
| 17:45.14 | clarissa | piper69, every OS is hard at start just ask :) |
| 17:45.36 | Niklas- | !vrms |
| 17:45.36 | dpkg | methinks vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... |
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| 17:46.23 | Frazzydee | I'm trying to run debian on a very old computer, but it runs far slower than windows 98 did. Any suggestions for speeding it up? |
| 17:46.25 | piper69 | clarissa ok tuv said that my the debian source is down and i need to change it to a working one , but i don't know which one to use |
| 17:46.30 | piper69 | us has a lot |
| 17:46.39 | Frazzydee | I suppose I shouldn't be using gnome- is lwm a good idea? |
| 17:46.42 | Gnea | of course it has a lot |
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| 17:46.57 | clarissa | piper69, do you use sarge etch or sid? |
| 17:47.06 | piper69 | clarissa STABLE |
| 17:47.11 | piper69 | opps sorry |
| 17:47.12 | clarissa | sarge :) |
| 17:47.12 | Gnea | Frazzydee: try fluxbox |
| 17:47.30 | piper69 | didn't mean to caps that up |
| 17:47.32 | Gnea | Frazzydee: and a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:47.46 | Frazzydee | Gnea: I believe I'm using a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:47.55 | Frazzydee | but I'll try fluxbox, thanks |
| 17:47.58 | clarissa | piper69, try deb ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pub/unix/linux/mirrors/debian stable main |
| 17:48.05 | clarissa | at source the same :) |
| 17:48.06 | Gnea | Frazzydee: fluxbox is much faster than gnome |
| 17:48.12 | clarissa | just with deb-src in front |
| 17:48.28 | Gnea | clarissa: that's what i tried telling him :) |
| 17:48.31 | piper69 | clarissa ok |
| 17:48.43 | clarissa | put that inside sources.list under /etc/apt/ |
| 17:48.56 | clarissa | Gnea, i'm sorry when i did something wrong ^^"" |
| 17:49.11 | clarissa | i didnt knew that he was yours :X |
| 17:49.17 | Trollinator | that's because you can't do anything wit fluxbox |
| 17:49.25 | Gnea | clarissa: ROFL!! no, please, help him all you want :) |
| 17:49.32 | clarissa | xD okay :P |
| 17:49.33 | fujihc | sid sid sid |
| 17:49.35 | Trollinator | well, the shouldn't matter to GNOME users anyway |
| 17:49.43 | waiting | I want to maintain own packages |
| 17:49.46 | Gnea | Trollinator: pardon? |
| 17:49.46 | waiting | how? |
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| 17:50.06 | Trollinator | Gnea: you can't do anything with GNOME either :p |
| 17:50.08 | clarissa | i use sarge cause i want eterm :) i dont want a distribution without eterm :) |
| 17:50.16 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.18 | piper69 | :) |
| 17:50.18 | Gnea | Trollinator: only if you're a stupid ;) |
| 17:50.27 | clarissa | piper69, okay okay *g* |
| 17:50.48 | piper69 | clarissa but isn't that in berlin , will it slow the downloads |
| 17:50.51 | Trollinator | KDE is just *better* than GNOME |
| 17:50.52 | Trollinator | :p |
| 17:51.02 | waiting | Trollinator: you now what's even better? |
| 17:51.04 | Gnea | Trollinator: shut up |
| 17:51.08 | GrimWald | :) |
| 17:51.14 | Trollinator | :o) |
| 17:51.18 | Trollinator | no, i don't |
| 17:51.20 | clarissa | piper69, it is but i think its okay its everytime more than 200kbyte/s :) |
| 17:51.26 | RainbowW | Trollinator is making up for his small penis. |
| 17:51.29 | waiting | Trollinator: then maybe you have no complete overview :O |
| 17:51.35 | Gnea | Trollinator has a penis? |
| 17:51.40 | waiting | so |
| 17:51.44 | clarissa | why do you talk about penis? O:o |
| 17:51.47 | GrimWald | that's bullshit Trollinator.. i'd rather don't use X thant use kde. |
| 17:51.49 | waiting | btw this channel has been recommended on linux.com |
| 17:51.52 | GrimWald | -t |
| 17:51.57 | waiting | http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/01/149211#discuss |
| 17:52.07 | waiting | by some internet voice |
| 17:52.15 | waiting | anonymous |
| 17:52.19 | Gnea | waiting: sorry, i'm looking for the url for ya |
| 17:52.24 | Trollinator | haha |
| 17:52.34 | Trollinator | flaming in #debian works as it always did |
| 17:52.37 | Trollinator | :o) |
| 17:52.42 | waiting | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Anonymous |
| 17:52.49 | clarissa | Trollinator your nickname is right *g* |
| 17:52.54 | Gnea | ~troll Trollinator |
| 17:52.55 | apt | ACTION hereby declares Trollinator a troll |
| 17:53.04 | clarissa | rofl |
| 17:53.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:53.11 | Trollinator | O.o |
| 17:53.15 | RichiH | Trollinator: i fear it's not quite as easy as you might think.. ;) |
| 17:53.21 | clarissa | that is really useless but quite fun XD |
| 17:53.35 | RichiH | RainbowW: uh.. |
| 17:53.45 | Gnea | RainbowW: they make excellent target practice |
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| 17:54.00 | Trollinator | that certainly expresses your level, RainbowW |
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| 17:54.09 | RainbowW | <RichiH> erm |
| 17:54.09 | RainbowW | <RichiH> this kind of talk is not really appreciated in #debian, i fear |
| 17:54.20 | RichiH | indeed, it is not |
| 17:54.25 | RainbowW | RichiH: I'm -SO- a'feared. |
| 17:54.49 | Trollinator | you'd better be. |
| 17:54.50 | Gnea | waiting: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:55.04 | RichiH | RainbowW: no reason to be, just adhere to basic netiquette |
| 17:55.06 | kantlivelong | how can i make a walled garden when using dhcpd? |
| 17:55.07 | waiting | Gnea: have many thanks. |
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| 17:55.10 | waiting | Gnea: I read that. |
| 17:55.24 | Gnea | waiting: so what's your real question then? |
| 17:55.26 | waiting | Gnea: I more wonder like how to actually _become_ the _maintainer_ of my packages ;) |
| 17:55.44 | Gnea | waiting: uhm... maintain them? :) |
| 17:55.45 | gre1 | anyone kno where i can get diodes other than radioshack? |
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| 17:55.49 | waiting | Gnea: sure, I do that :) |
| 17:55.51 | weiao | /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 17:55.56 | Gnea | gre1: mouser.com |
| 17:56.00 | RichiH | gre1: only in germany.. :) |
| 17:56.05 | waiting | Gnea: and now? |
| 17:56.18 | Gnea | waiting: then you already are your own maintainer :P |
| 17:56.24 | clarissa | how to fight for Eterm in new planned etch stable project? :) |
| 17:56.26 | Trollinator | why doesn't debian have netbeans packages? |
| 17:56.42 | Gnea | why don't trolls ever shut up? |
| 17:56.42 | waiting | Gnea: that is not very effective :D |
| 17:56.54 | clarissa | Gnea, lol |
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| 17:57.18 | waiting | Gnea: how will other people ever benefit from the use they provide? :) |
| 17:57.38 | Gnea | waiting: but it's true - you asked what it would take to become a debian package maintainer and you've already stated that you maintainer your own packages - therefore, you are a package maintainer. now, are you referring to becoming a maintainer for official debian packages? |
| 17:57.46 | waiting | Gnea: I know what I asked :) |
| 17:57.51 | waiting | Gnea: and now? |
| 17:58.02 | waiting | Gnea: I mean there is this ehm |
| 17:58.08 | waiting | application procedure, tight? |
| 17:58.11 | waiting | right. |
| 17:58.17 | waiting | now, where do I apply? ;) |
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| 17:58.24 | Gnea | waiting: your best bet is to hit up the mailing lists |
| 17:58.32 | waiting | all of them or a specific one? |
| 17:58.38 | Trollinator | Gnea: why don't you shut up? |
| 17:58.44 | Gnea | take a look at them - they all have archives |
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| 17:58.57 | waiting | Gnea: I need to read all that crap? :O |
| 17:59.04 | Gnea | Trollinator: because no one gives a shit about you ;) |
| 17:59.21 | Gnea | waiting: oh yeah? what urls? |
| 17:59.22 | waiting | Gnea: to have a possibility to apply as a maintainer of my own software? |
| 17:59.54 | Trollinator | would you please stop swearing? |
| 18:00.12 | RainbowW | would you please go play in traffic? |
| 18:00.19 | Gnea | Trollinator: fuck no |
| 18:00.36 | waiting | Gnea: why do you have that character still not on ignore? this here is important |
| 18:00.38 | Trollinator | dumbass... |
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| 18:01.05 | waiting | Gnea: if I had ignore-follows-focus then I could not read you by now :) |
| 18:01.06 | Gnea | waiting: yeah good point |
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| 18:01.41 | waiting | Gnea: I mean like there is this suggestion "you should find a sponsor for your ..." ehm software |
| 18:01.58 | waiting | so I need to have a sponsor to have a chance to be integrated in dbeian? |
| 18:02.03 | waiting | I have none :) |
| 18:02.30 | waiting | a debian mainatiner who wills to maintainer my software i undertood a s"sponsor" right? |
| 18:02.32 | Gnea | waiting: have you visited https://nm.debian.org/ ? |
| 18:02.40 | waiting | oh, another url? |
| 18:02.58 | waiting | secured even! |
| 18:03.09 | waiting | oh yes, that procedure |
| 18:03.14 | clarissa | hmm :) |
| 18:03.29 | waiting | Awaiting AM assignment, Average days: 80 |
| 18:03.37 | waiting | sounds not too promising ;) |
| 18:04.32 | Gnea | waiting: oh ok, then just chill out for awhile |
| 18:04.43 | waiting | yeah, chilling out is always good |
| 18:04.59 | waiting | maybe I will be assigned an davocate before vista SP2 is out |
| 18:05.17 | waiting | then I can proceed to the next phase which is ... let's see |
| 18:05.24 | waiting | AM confirmation |
| 18:05.38 | Gnea | heh |
| 18:06.12 | waiting | you know dilbert.com? |
| 18:06.21 | waiting | ;O) |
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| 18:07.01 | clarissa | aw vista @.@ ewww |
| 18:07.18 | waiting | there goes another one |
| 18:08.01 | Trollinator | what's left of vista anyway? ngscb? no. WinFS? No. |
| 18:08.08 | clarissa | i use sarge :p |
| 18:08.41 | waiting | ok |
| 18:08.51 | waiting | how do I apply as application manager? |
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| 18:09.03 | waiting | if I manage my own application it will probably be processed faster |
| 18:09.44 | Trollinator | why don't you just offer debian packages on your home page and stop whining? |
| 18:09.53 | Trollinator | (or read the proper mailing lists) |
| 18:09.54 | waiting | do I need to have a degree or are powerful friends preferable? |
| 18:10.06 | Gnea | you just need patience :) |
| 18:10.12 | waiting | maybe I can make a strategic investment? |
| 18:10.27 | zinx | you need to not be a cynical ass |
| 18:11.13 | waiting | ahh, so it's an attitude thing :D |
| 18:11.20 | Gnea | and your mom must be available to make house calls on-demand ;) j/k |
| 18:11.35 | waiting | hmhm |
| 18:11.43 | waiting | and that's how one becomes a debian maintainer |
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| 18:11.52 | waiting | nice, ok, now I am informed |
| 18:11.57 | Gnea | seriously, that last bit was a total joke |
| 18:11.58 | waiting | thanks :) |
| 18:12.04 | Gnea | don't take it seriously ;) |
| 18:12.12 | pktd | !seen mtoro |
| 18:12.13 | dpkg | pktd: i haven't seen 'mtoro' |
| 18:12.13 | Gnea | no problem |
| 18:12.31 | waiting | that's a big crock'o'shit ppl :) |
| 18:12.38 | Gnea | lol |
| 18:12.45 | waiting | it really needs some clarification |
| 18:13.06 | waiting | I mean gosh I don't wnt to become a debian maintainer anyway, it was really just a test |
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| 18:13.19 | waiting | I read, a DM gets access to the entire friggin archive |
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| 18:13.25 | waiting | I don't want that ^^ |
| 18:13.33 | Gnea | tough rocks, pal :) |
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| 18:13.41 | waiting | I do real work here, I cannot secure a box like that |
| 18:13.56 | Gnea | you've got time |
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| 18:13.59 | jamie | which package contrains 'lspci'? i just installed etch on my lappy and noticed it isnt there.. |
| 18:13.59 | waiting | that' one point |
| 18:14.10 | Gnea | jamie: |
| 18:14.13 | Gnea | pciutils |
| 18:14.13 | cydork | jamie, pci-utils. |
| 18:14.18 | jamie | ah, thanks :) |
| 18:14.37 | waiting | the other is, if I read what actually is written on the MLs and I imagine myself articipating in that, guys give me a break, I already _had_ two strokes ;) |
| 18:14.45 | Nikolay | Anybody know, is it possible to list all packages with specified tag? apt-cache show these tags in the end of package info (like "Tag: interface::commandline). |
| 18:14.50 | Nikolay | ? |
| 18:14.58 | waiting | it's supposed to be fun, and - this is none |
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| 18:15.14 | waiting | this is sectarianism mixed with drugs and shitty political beliefs |
| 18:15.17 | Gnea | waiting: strokes? your brain almost died? :/ |
| 18:15.43 | waiting | it really needs some rectification |
| 18:15.59 | DaBlade | Does anyone know of a way to log the *exact* output you see while booting up? |
| 18:16.06 | waiting | i.e. the entire procedure needs to be shoveled up the ass that shitted it out |
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| 18:16.20 | Gnea | DaBlade: most of it is - /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:16.22 | waiting | that's _my_ opinion |
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| 18:16.27 | DaBlade | Gnea: I know that |
| 18:16.33 | DaBlade | Gnea: I said the *exact* output |
| 18:16.34 | gre123 | how do i setup a tunercard on debian unstable? |
| 18:16.42 | DaBlade | The way it's written during bootup. |
| 18:16.49 | Gnea | DaBlade: not sure about everything else that follows... |
| 18:17.03 | DaBlade | Hm? |
| 18:17.22 | gre123 | anyone? |
| 18:17.30 | DaBlade | I mean, like: Starting app1...... [OK], then on the next line: Starting app2..... [OK] |
| 18:17.33 | cydork | gre123, which card is that? |
| 18:17.35 | gre123 | wintv-go-plus tunercard |
| 18:17.45 | waiting | back when I started, debian was a place for innovations in _technology_ not a playground for people who learn project management |
| 18:17.47 | cydork | !bttv |
| 18:17.47 | Gnea | DaBlade: right, that's a runlevel switch, userland messages, not kernel messages |
| 18:17.48 | dpkg | methinks bttv is a driver for the bt848/bt878 tv tuner chip which is on most tv tuner card and you can find it at http://www.strusel007.de/linux/bttv/, or moved to http://www.metzlerbros.de/bttv.html. MPEG-2 cards like PVR-250s should see {ivtv} |
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| 18:17.55 | cydork | gre123, try that ^^ |
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| 18:18.09 | Gnea | waiting: welcome to evolution |
| 18:18.11 | DaBlade | Gnea: Yeah. That's what I want a log of. Not the stuff in dmesg. |
| 18:18.20 | waiting | with new revisions of the maintainer guide published on demand in a moving set of URLs |
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| 18:18.23 | Gnea | DaBlade: i have no idea... |
| 18:18.28 | DaBlade | Damn. |
| 18:18.37 | waiting | we had no "social contract" either regulating my ass |
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| 18:18.58 | Gnea | waiting: yeah, well, shit happens |
| 18:19.25 | waiting | we used debian in _companies_ and did _work_ with it, and at home we wrote software with it, new software |
| 18:19.28 | waiting | _new_ |
| 18:19.48 | Gnea | afk |
| 18:19.50 | waiting | and we did not fight flamewars on one bazillion mailinglists |
| 18:20.01 | gre123 | k.. |
| 18:20.08 | waiting | we laughed at usenet, maybe too early |
| 18:20.40 | gre123 | too hard for me |
| 18:20.44 | waiting | we would not, without a consistnt education in legal affairs, insult people with decades of experience |
| 18:21.02 | waiting | read licenses to them while they are not even in the same friggin jurisdiction |
| 18:21.23 | waiting | I have no power left to mess with that |
| 18:21.25 | waiting | so |
| 18:21.30 | waiting | who wnats to be my sponsor? |
| 18:21.51 | waiting | or advocate or maintainer or what it is called |
| 18:22.22 | cydork | waiting, go to mentors.debian.net |
| 18:22.38 | cydork | waiting, at least you have package . |
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| 18:22.40 | cydork | :) |
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| 18:23.09 | waiting | cydork: yeah a bunch. I work on video publishing software. |
| 18:23.17 | cadu | hi! how can i easily install the binary nvidia driver for kernel + x.org module? running a stock 2.6.16-2-686-smp |
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| 18:23.36 | pickcoder | waiting: you can always setup your own repos too |
| 18:23.36 | waiting | cydork: thanks for the hint |
| 18:23.52 | applet | can anyone help a noob please I am trying to install debian but it always hang on 91% with loading module sd_mod I have checked a lot have this prob I think it is the mobo can I resolve this ? |
| 18:23.59 | waiting | pickcoder: I have that but what good is it? my code and deps are 100% GPL |
| 18:24.16 | waiting | pickcoder: the deps are without exception debianized |
| 18:24.26 | waiting | pickcoder: so why not go official :) |
| 18:24.52 | vulture | cadu: module-assistant (or is it modules-assistant) |
| 18:24.56 | pickcoder | waiting: just a suggestion, if you don't want to sit on the waiting list |
| 18:25.03 | vulture | anyway it's <that> autoinstall nvidia-kernel |
| 18:25.06 | vulture | or something to that effect |
| 18:25.44 | pktd | conexion reculia mala :( |
| 18:26.46 | cadu | vulture: i've installed nvidia-kernel-2.6.16.... but still lacking a x.org nvidia module :( |
| 18:26.51 | waiting | pickcoder: looks very useful, thank you |
| 18:27.44 | pickcoder | speaking of GPL; if I have a package for a product that has a dual-license does that license have to be approved before it will be accepted? |
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| 18:30.00 | Studiosus | is there gconf entry to specify that nautilus must use system locale and not utf8 when creating new folders,files,etc? |
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| 18:32.33 | applet | dam this just will not go past 91% loading sd_mod for scsi detection maybe it dont like mah scsis |
| 18:33.25 | pickcoder | applet: which installer? |
| 18:33.35 | pickcoder | applet: what hardware do you have? |
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| 18:34.34 | magyar | as etch is moving closer to stable, is there a newer sid branch than the current? |
| 18:34.45 | applet | a athlopnxp2000+ |
| 18:35.04 | pickcoder | applet: I meant disk controller |
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| 18:35.13 | applet | a D347PRT SCSI controller |
| 18:35.38 | applet | a Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATARaid Controller |
| 18:35.59 | applet | WinXp Promise Fast Trak 376/378 Contoller |
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| 18:36.59 | Teltariat | Anyone here have any experience with djbdns? |
| 18:37.01 | naval | hi all,a sound record problem.microphone working well,i am using arecord to record my voice.It works when i play it nothing comes out..but the alsa is working good. |
| 18:37.22 | pickcoder | applet: which installer are you using |
| 18:37.39 | naval | so the problem is..volume is not at 100% right?? |
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| 18:37.46 | naval | that i can not set it up.. |
| 18:38.01 | naval | so guide to set up a volume to 100% |
| 18:38.20 | naval | also which channel do i have to set for voice recording?? |
| 18:38.24 | applet | debian-31r2-i386-binary 2dvd set |
| 18:40.14 | naval | i guys pls help. |
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| 18:42.01 | applet | any ideas pickcoder ? u think it might bt the sis card ? |
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| 18:43.24 | pickcoder | applet: can you disable one controller and test each one individually? |
| 18:43.38 | pickcoder | applet:er.. disable them and test each one |
| 18:44.04 | applet | i spose I can detach the pci one but if it works I will ose my scsi drives :( |
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| 18:44.26 | pickcoder | applet: you will never know which controll is causing sd_mod to hang, if you leave them all enabled |
| 18:44.42 | pickcoder | applet: you never get to disk partitioning, right? |
| 18:44.47 | pktd | applet is retarded |
| 18:45.02 | applet | lol cheeky git :D |
| 18:45.17 | applet | no just a noob |
| 18:45.30 | applet | I htought there might be an answer |
| 18:45.33 | nvz | he probably runs on java, but i guess thats the same as retarded |
| 18:46.07 | nvz | or maybe he's an evil flash applet |
| 18:46.13 | applet | lol not another I am super at linux so u suck person |
| 18:46.32 | zinx | but you do suck |
| 18:46.44 | nvz | applet: more like I got a lighter and you smell like gas |
| 18:46.46 | applet | I rockz0r |
| 18:46.51 | nvz | call it a roast |
| 18:47.05 | applet | we all got to start somewhere |
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| 18:47.10 | nvz | I woke up to see you getting flamed |
| 18:47.24 | applet | and I will start by kicking nvz in the goolies |
| 18:47.28 | nvz | heh |
| 18:47.39 | Gnea | so applet obviously doesn't need any help |
| 18:47.51 | applet | I got osme thanks to pickcoder |
| 18:48.16 | applet | while u were all with ur boyfriends muhahahahahahaha |
| 18:48.26 | nvz | Gnea: might need help catching me cause I am not gonna stand around and get kicked in the goolies |
| 18:49.15 | applet | anyways I am going to try this pci thing so with any luck I will be back soon for some more flaming |
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| 18:50.46 | eugman | If I want to do a more than minimal install on an old ppc what iso do I use? |
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| 18:51.20 | JordiGH | eugman: Use the netinstall. You can make it as minimal or as extensive as you wish |
| 18:52.11 | eugman | A net install isn't going to work. So what cd can I install the command line and everything with? |
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| 18:52.41 | JordiGH | eugman: the first cd. Again, you'll have the option of installing as much as you want during installation. |
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| 18:53.24 | eugman | The first cd is the binary-1 cd right? |
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| 18:53.30 | JordiGH | eugman: During installation, after it installs the core components, it'll ask you if you want a desktop and stuff. You can either take the default option or do manual package selection. |
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| 18:53.33 | JordiGH | Yep. |
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| 18:53.57 | eugman | Ok good. |
| 18:54.04 | DaBlade | JordiGH: Does Firefox still suffer from the memory leak? |
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| 18:54.24 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Uh, dunno. I'm on Knoppix right now. |
| 18:54.36 | DaBlade | Why, what's wrong? |
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| 18:56.25 | JordiGH | Curious, has the installation been modified so that it doesn't need a reboot midway, or is this just a peculiarity of the netinstall? I was particularly impressed with how the reboot wasn't necessary last time I installed Debian. :-) |
| 18:56.27 | DaBlade | JordiGH: You strap condoms on your fingers? :P |
| 18:56.36 | JordiGH | DaBlade: Approximately, yes. |
| 18:56.40 | DaBlade | lol |
| 18:56.47 | JordiGH | Penguin-skin condoms. |
| 18:57.18 | JordiGH | And my passwords stay in my USB pendrive, not this blasted "registry" creature. |
| 18:57.40 | nvz | JordiGH: its always rebooted after base intall to the installed kernel to do base-config for as long as I can remember no matter how you install |
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| 18:58.10 | nvz | JordiGH: though there _is_ a menu of choices so you can do it however you want |
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| 18:58.11 | JordiGH | nvz: Nope, nope, quite certain no reboot necessary for the netinstall. Have you tried it recently? |
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| 18:58.35 | JordiGH | Like, in the past three, four weeks? |
| 18:58.35 | nvz | JordiGH: not real recently its been awhile |
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| 18:59.15 | JordiGH | Unlike the Pope, I'm fallible, but I am *pretty* sure that it didn't reboot last time I netinstalled. |
| 19:01.36 | roxy_ | what is the url for soon to be unstable package ? |
| 19:02.00 | JordiGH | !info maint-guide |
| 19:02.07 | cadu_ | hey, athlon 64 x2's are K8 processor family right? cpufreq supports them? (remember, X2 |
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| 19:02.12 | poh | according ifconfig, eth0 has a very long (16 byte) hw address with each byte separated by dashes, how do I determine what device this is? |
| 19:02.18 | dpkg | maint-guide: (Debian New Maintainers' Guide), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.2.7 (sid), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
| 19:02.25 | JordiGH | Kewlness. |
| 19:02.26 | enveezee | hmm my irssi on the other screen locked up |
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| 19:02.51 | enveezee | not moving and wont accept any input.. but screen still accepts input |
| 19:03.01 | JordiGH | roxy_: Do you mean, the experimental distribution? |
| 19:03.05 | enveezee | if it was a scroll lock I think it would effect screen too |
| 19:04.02 | roxy_ | JordiGH: i don't know. I once had a problem with a package and someone(maybe sew) pointed to a url with package that wasn't yet in unstable |
| 19:04.22 | roxy_ | JordiGH: I am looking for libuim3 |
| 19:04.30 | enveezee | damn its hung on write(1, "o\33[K", 4 |
| 19:04.37 | enveezee | o.O |
| 19:04.50 | JordiGH | roxy_: I think I have vague recollections of being present for that. I do believe you mean the experimental distro, although package maintainers sometimes keep personal versions of a package before they put it into any of the main Debian branches. |
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| 19:04.55 | JordiGH | At any, rate, |
| 19:04.58 | JordiGH | !experimental |
| 19:04.58 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference |
| 19:05.13 | JordiGH | Ack, I thought that factoid had a url. |
| 19:05.20 | enveezee | I've never had irssi lock up on me |
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| 19:05.25 | enveezee | ever |
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| 19:05.33 | roxy_ | JordiGH: I can't find it on package search in debian.org |
| 19:05.44 | JordiGH | dpkg, experimental is also http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 19:05.44 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
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| 19:07.35 | smacnay | I am mounting a ext3 drive on a usb device and would like to get user rw privleges. I used -o user,rw but still can't write to drive. This is my first experience with ext3 - is there a trick? |
| 19:08.01 | jcreigh | Is "experimental" one step beyond "unstable"? |
| 19:08.11 | enveezee | no |
| 19:08.23 | smacnay | same shoe |
| 19:08.24 | JordiGH | jcreigh: It's a playground generally considered unfit for public consumption. |
| 19:08.28 | enveezee | jcreigh: its not a full tree just packages deemed experimental |
| 19:08.32 | Bushmills | smacnay: create a directory with user write privileges |
| 19:08.51 | JordiGH | smacnay: Perhaps a umask would be relevant? |
| 19:08.53 | enveezee | jcreigh: not yet ready for public use in any of the branches |
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| 19:09.50 | Bushmills | smacnay: is that a hard disk, or flash memory? |
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| 19:10.15 | smacnay | Bushmills: hard disk |
| 19:10.18 | JordiGH | Bushmills: Is there a difference from Linux's point of view? |
| 19:10.38 | Bushmills | JordiGH: ext3 wears out flash sticks quickly |
| 19:10.49 | JordiGH | Oh? |
| 19:11.04 | enveezee | smacnay: does your user have write access to the mount point and other dirs on the fs |
| 19:11.07 | Bushmills | doesn't do wear balancing |
| 19:11.14 | JordiGH | So much for my plans of putting ext3 on my pendrive and encrypting it then. :-/ |
| 19:11.27 | Bushmills | file systems specialized for flash mem do, such as jffs2 |
| 19:11.45 | JordiGH | Bushmills: Do non-free OSes know about jffs2? |
| 19:11.53 | enveezee | afaik -o user has no effect |
| 19:12.02 | dasunt_ | Hmmm, dang, dang dang. |
| 19:12.04 | enveezee | unless its in the fstab |
| 19:12.06 | Bushmills | JordiGH: linux supposrts jffs2 |
| 19:12.15 | dasunt_ | I have a cheapoo es1371 sound card, any chance of faking midi support? |
| 19:12.21 | JordiGH | Bushmills: But not all of my friends use Linux.... :-/ |
| 19:12.24 | Bushmills | but others i don't know |
| 19:12.55 | JordiGH | Bushmills: What do you know about encrypting pen drives? |
| 19:13.17 | Bushmills | not that much, i'd probably look at something like encfs |
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| 19:13.43 | smacnay | enveezee: the mount point is /mnt/usb1 and I see r and execute permissions... for group 'disk' |
| 19:13.53 | smacnay | I need that to be something else I assume |
| 19:13.58 | Benny | Could a User on a Linux System have 2 Passwords fpr Systemlogin ? |
| 19:14.25 | JordiGH | Benny: It is conceivable, but highly unlikely that two passwords will hash to the same value, yes. |
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| 19:15.02 | Benny | Ok |
| 19:15.13 | foo | Has anyone ever set up ultravnc client to connect to vncviewer -listen on linux? |
| 19:15.24 | JordiGH | Capitalised Nouns. I thought I heard a German Accent in there. :-) |
| 19:15.46 | enouf | dasunt_: sure - you canlikely even do real midi support - I have the same card/driver but have no midi devices to prove my case - yet .. look into esound, vsound, et al |
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| 19:16.00 | dasunt_ | enouf: Hmmmm. |
| 19:16.13 | minerale | has anyone played around with nexenta? (debian + opensolaris kernel) I wonder what the big push behind the opensolaris kernel is, have there been any benchmarks? does it provide any additional features not fund in linux (w/ exception to dtrace) |
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| 19:16.17 | smacnay | got it - made the dir on the device owned by me. For now that works. |
| 19:16.28 | enouf | dasunt_: what exactly do you need it to do? |
| 19:16.51 | JordiGH | smacnay: Curious, are you having issues with group permissions? 'Cause I am. |
| 19:16.59 | dasunt_ | enouf: Got a program what wants to output its sound as midi. |
| 19:17.08 | JordiGH | smacnay: If you type "group" without any parameters, is the output different than "group yourusername" ? |
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| 19:17.32 | JordiGH | Er, groups, plural, not group. |
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| 19:17.57 | vitriol | i can't get my mouse working n etch |
| 19:18.01 | vitriol | in the past i've used /dev/psaux |
| 19:18.05 | vitriol | what should i be using?? |
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| 19:18.37 | dasunt_ | vitriol: Under X or ? |
| 19:18.42 | vitriol | yes, under x |
| 19:18.48 | vitriol | it will move across the screen crazily |
| 19:18.56 | JordiGH | vitriol: tried /dev/input/mice ? |
| 19:19.00 | vitriol | with either ImPS/2 or ExploerePS/2 |
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| 19:19.13 | vitriol | i do not have a /dev/input/mice |
| 19:19.30 | JordiGH | ? You sure? |
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| 19:19.35 | vitriol | yes :/ |
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| 19:19.58 | vitriol | i have by-input by-path and events 1,2,3 |
| 19:20.05 | vitriol | nothing else is under /dev/input |
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| 19:20.27 | enouf | dasunt_: can't say for certain, but here's my 'lsmod | grep midi' results http://pastebin.ca/159159 (I've installed as many midi and seq related modules as I can, just for kicks) - but try the v/e/sound thing too .. |
| 19:20.30 | zinx | vitriol: modprobe mousedev |
| 19:20.47 | vitriol | :o |
| 19:20.51 | vitriol | it shows up now! |
| 19:21.20 | vitriol | thank you so much |
| 19:21.24 | vitriol | it works now |
| 19:21.27 | Luck_ | is there anyway to tell what's the bandwidth of my router? |
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| 19:21.58 | dasunt_ | Oh good. |
| 19:22.03 | JordiGH | Works with /dev/psaux? |
| 19:22.03 | dasunt_ | es1371: midi timed out?? |
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| 19:22.22 | JordiGH | vitriol: That question was for you. |
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| 19:22.27 | pickcoder | b00m: Your router's bandwidth is based on the switch speed |
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| 19:22.30 | OllieD | yo |
| 19:22.36 | vitriol | JordiGH: on another distribution it did |
| 19:22.45 | vitriol | it is plugged into a PS2 port |
| 19:23.02 | JordiGH | vitriol: No, I mean, right now, when you said "it works!" did you mean that modprobe mousedev made /dev/psaux work? |
| 19:23.06 | vitriol | JordiGH: i just switched to etch |
| 19:23.12 | vitriol | oh |
| 19:23.20 | vitriol | i used 'modprobe mousedev' |
| 19:23.30 | vitriol | and now i have an instance of /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0 |
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| 19:23.36 | enouf | dasunt_: well as soon as I get off my lazy ass and get my midi keyboard (and other devices) over here from another location - you can be sure I'll make it work |
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| 19:23.50 | vitriol | JordiGH: i used /dev/input/mice before trying to use /dev/psaux |
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| 19:24.44 | dasunt_ | where would I find the options for es1371 module? |
| 19:25.03 | dasunt_ | 2.4.27 kernel |
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| 19:25.24 | vitriol | should mousedev be loaded when i boot? |
| 19:25.47 | dasunt_ | Ah, kernel-doc-2.4.27 |
| 19:26.02 | dasunt_ | vitriol: Is it a USB mouse or a ps/2 mouse? |
| 19:26.09 | vitriol | it is a ps/2 mouse |
| 19:26.31 | dasunt_ | vitriol: Try: cat /dev/psaux |
| 19:26.40 | dasunt_ | Then move your mouse. |
| 19:26.50 | vitriol | i get output from doing that |
| 19:26.52 | dasunt_ | If you get garbage on your screen, it should be working. |
| 19:27.02 | dasunt_ | It is probably an X config problem then. |
| 19:27.08 | vitriol | so when i reboot, /dev/psaux should still be there i hope |
| 19:27.17 | dasunt_ | (And if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but that's how I always debug mice) |
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| 19:28.03 | JordiGH | Hehehe... cat /dev/psaux > /dev/audio |
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| 19:29.06 | dasunt_ | JordiGH: Heh heh! |
| 19:30.18 | dasunt_ | Well, crap, my soundcard does not have hardware midi. :( |
| 19:31.44 | dasunt_ | Alsa might support it though. |
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| 19:32.17 | foo | Has anyone ever set up ultravnc client to connect to vncviewer -listen on linux? |
| 19:32.44 | wathek | any one can help me to install my Canon Pixma iP1000 printer please |
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| 19:34.02 | JordiGH | wathek: Have you already followed the CUPS tutorials? |
| 19:34.20 | wathek | JordiGH, yes |
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| 19:34.32 | wathek | JordiGH, and in the linuxprinting website |
| 19:34.44 | wathek | they say that i need the manufacturer driver |
| 19:34.53 | JordiGH | wathek: Oy. :-/ |
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| 19:35.01 | wathek | I've download it it was a RPM driver I installed them with alien |
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| 19:35.29 | JordiGH | Yikes. |
| 19:35.35 | JordiGH | Did it work? |
| 19:36.16 | JordiGH | Stupid question. It didn't. :-) |
| 19:36.21 | wathek | in the manual they say that I've to run lpadmin -p PIXMAIP1000 -m canonpixmaip1000.ppd -v canon_usb:/dev/usb/lp0 -E |
| 19:36.27 | Nikolay | Why exim4 some messages transfer to procmail, but an "real_local" messages to "mail_spool? nor procmail? I want to pass all my messages throught procmail. Please, help wich exim4 config parameter. |
| 19:36.35 | wathek | when I do I get this lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: server-error-internal-error |
| 19:36.58 | JordiGH | wathek: Eep. I have no clue what that means. |
| 19:37.04 | wathek | dunno |
| 19:37.59 | dasunt_ | BRB. |
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| 19:42.55 | alkanzz | my isp gave me some extra ips how do i add them to my server? |
| 19:43.26 | zinx | there are a few ways |
| 19:43.45 | zinx | i suggest using iproute2 |
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| 19:44.05 | alkanzz | how would i do that? |
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| 19:45.55 | ma3x | how do I mount bsd partition? |
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| 19:46.15 | blondie | ma3x: mount -t ufs? |
| 19:46.39 | JordiGH | All the BSDs use the same filesystem? |
| 19:46.54 | blondie | ish |
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| 19:47.06 | blondie | man mount |
| 19:47.17 | JordiGH | "ish"... where ya from, northwestern US? |
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| 19:47.29 | ma3x | blondie, UDF-fs: No VRS found |
| 19:47.29 | ma3x | ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write |
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| 19:48.18 | blondie | "oh" |
| 19:48.27 | blondie | ma3x: look at the ufs options in the mount man page or something |
| 19:48.31 | ma3x | ufs_read_super: bad magic number |
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| 19:50.49 | JordiGH | No, no, wait... last person I heard who used "ish" was from California, valley girl. Hmm... |
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| 19:52.23 | mmiikkee12 | any idea how to make my computer do apt-get update every so often? |
| 19:52.34 | Tallu | mmiikkee12: cron-apt |
| 19:54.27 | Studiosus | while installing apache-1.3.34-4 I got: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache/modules.conf. I deleted /etc/apache from old apache package manually before installing. now apache doesn't start sincce there no modules.conf, dpkg-reconfigure apache also doesn't help |
| 19:55.01 | JordiGH | !conffiles |
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| 19:55.06 | mmiikkee12 | Studiosus: try removing the old apache package first |
| 19:55.14 | JordiGH | I just saw this factoid yesterday... |
| 19:55.17 | JordiGH | !confile |
| 19:55.21 | JordiGH | !confiles |
| 19:55.25 | mmiikkee12 | !conffile |
| 19:55.41 | cydork | !confmiss |
| 19:55.41 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 19:55.43 | Studiosus | I did it already, dpkg -l apache shows only apache-1.3.34-4 |
| 19:55.44 | mmiikkee12 | JordiGH: any idea what it said: P) |
| 19:55.49 | mmiikkee12 | wtf was that... |
| 19:55.53 | mmiikkee12 | JordiGH: any idea what it said? :) |
| 19:56.00 | mmiikkee12 | i can't type :/ |
| 19:56.03 | JordiGH | mmiikkee12: cydork found it. |
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| 19:57.11 | mmiikkee12 | there, it's conffiles too now :D |
| 19:57.42 | JordiGH | "Excuse me for a sec, dear, I need to help out the n00bs in #debian. Keep your pants on." |
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| 19:58.33 | cydork | hehe |
| 19:58.36 | Studiosus | I did 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache' but there's still no modules.conf in /etc/apache after that |
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| 20:00.17 | ma3x | why I can't mount bsd partition in debian? |
| 20:00.34 | blondie | ma3x: did you read the man page? |
| 20:00.41 | ma3x | yes i did |
| 20:01.06 | cydork | Studiosus, coz there is no such file in apache. look for your self apt-file search modules.conf |
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| 20:02.43 | ma3x | blondie, are you gonna help? |
| 20:02.56 | blondie | I did |
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| 20:03.12 | blondie | what kind of bsd partition is it? |
| 20:03.20 | blondie | are you sure you got the right /dev/blah? |
| 20:03.30 | |slocate | anybody compiling java on debian?? |
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| 20:03.55 | Tallu | !tell |slocate about java |
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| 20:06.02 | Studiosus | ok, but then I do dpkg-reconfigure --force apache, I got: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache/modules.conf |
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| 20:07.54 | flo2 | hi, what jigdo file is the right one for debian testing? there are debian-testing-i386-binary-1.jigdo to debian-testing-i386-binary-20.jigdo |
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| 20:09.43 | cydork | flo2, those are all cds. if you have a good net connection i suggest go for a netinstall cd. |
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| 20:10.05 | tech13 | How do I setup a hotkey for when no one is logged in? I use Dvorak and the others that use my machine use Qwerty, I have an extra key on the keyboard that isn't used for anything under linux (suspend/sleep key). |
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| 20:10.17 | flo2 | ah right, i forgot that debian has multiple cds :) |
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| 20:12.31 | mackss | can someone help me get my broadcom wifi chipset working. I can't figure out how to set it up on debian :( |
| 20:14.10 | redrain | mackss: Use ndiswrapper |
| 20:14.36 | mackss | apt-get install ndiswrapper? |
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| 20:15.21 | redrain | mackss: Yes |
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| 20:16.49 | mackss | hrm which package is that? |
| 20:16.52 | yurtle | helo can somone help me with this ?Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:16.52 | yurtle | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.59 | mackss | there's 4 |
| 20:17.15 | mackss | this one? ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386 (1.1-2) |
| 20:17.44 | redrain | mackss: Depends on your kernel |
| 20:17.59 | mackss | ekk how do i find out what kernel i am running? |
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| 20:18.18 | Kurtism | I had to compile ndiswrapper because I compiled my kernel |
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| 20:18.29 | BadManNx | hi |
| 20:18.43 | BadManNx | what command to use to change xkb layout? |
| 20:19.05 | BadManNx | after adding languages to xorg.conf |
| 20:19.14 | redrain | mackss: uname -r |
| 20:19.59 | Kurtism | I'm having problems with ndiswrapper though.... I loaded the drivers and everything and the device lights up... however when I did apt-get install wireless-tools and then when I tried to use iwlist and iwconfig it refused to do anything like scan or anything |
| 20:20.13 | mackss | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 20:21.01 | mackss | redrain, so should i install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386 (1.1-2) ? |
| 20:21.35 | redrain | mackss: No |
| 20:21.51 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.51 | Kurtism | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 20:22.12 | Kurtism | this card obviously has to support scanning |
| 20:22.24 | Kurtism | is the SID wireless-tools junk? |
| 20:22.26 | redrain | mackss: There is no ndiswrapper module for kernel 2.4, as I can see |
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| 20:22.42 | mackss | redrain, so i can't get the broadcom chipset to work on my debian? |
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| 20:23.00 | redrain | mackss: You can upgrade your kernel |
| 20:23.10 | mackss | apt-get dist upgrade ? |
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| 20:23.17 | mackss | err dist-upgrade |
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| 20:24.02 | redrain | mackss: apt-get install kernel_name |
| 20:24.22 | mackss | hrm |
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| 20:24.40 | mackss | dist-upgrade won't upgrade the kernel? |
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| 20:24.57 | redrain | mackss: No |
| 20:25.01 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 20:25.08 | Kurtism | hello? |
| 20:26.19 | mackss | apt-get install 2.6.8-2-386 ? |
| 20:26.23 | ivan` | what's the easiest command line encryption tool I could install to encrypt a 1.2GB mail archive? |
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| 20:27.08 | enouf | mackss: I think 2.6.8-3-686 is the latest Sarge version - what CPU are you using? |
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| 20:27.36 | mackss | a hp pavilion 800mhz celeron |
| 20:27.58 | redrain | mackss: Kernel package name is: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 20:28.37 | enouf | mackss: you can def benefit from the 686 optimizations then = see linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:29.03 | mackss | ok you lost me |
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| 20:29.42 | mackss | so i should do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 ? |
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| 20:30.19 | redrain | mackss: Yes |
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| 20:30.50 | enouf | redrain:is the diff between what i posted and what you did the meta-ness of the pkg? |
| 20:31.08 | xal | what's the command to clear apt? |
| 20:31.17 | mackss | thank you |
| 20:31.29 | enouf | xal: wth does that mean? |
| 20:31.42 | redrain | enouf: As I know after 2.6.15 kernel package name changed to linux-image |
| 20:31.50 | redrain | xal: clear apt? |
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| 20:34.19 | xal | yes have made a change tour sources.list and need to clear the cache, and make a new apt-get update |
| 20:34.21 | enveezee | hmm that damn irssi is still stuck in window 0 |
| 20:34.29 | xal | #to |
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| 20:35.32 | redrain | xal: apt-get clean |
| 20:35.37 | enouf | redrain: oh - I see ... there is no difference between "/linux/-image-2.6-686" and "/kernel/-image-2.6.8-3-686" - it just reflects upon the renaming conventions |
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| 20:36.41 | enveezee | bah I am gonna restart screen both bash and irssi from screen 0 were killed when it froze and its still sitting there. |
| 20:37.13 | enveezee | I have a feeling that lock up was screen related I had it dual attached on two different machines |
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| 20:37.21 | enveezee | and irssi was started on the command line with screen |
| 20:37.40 | simonrvn | why would that matter? |
| 20:37.48 | enveezee | after like a week running irssi froze up on a write call |
| 20:37.53 | enveezee | it shouldnt |
| 20:38.01 | simonrvn | oh |
| 20:38.06 | enveezee | but I just dont believe irssi would fuck up like that and stay on my screen |
| 20:38.15 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 20:38.52 | enveezee | I am just gonna kill this screen session and come back I guess I want my window back |
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| 20:40.08 | mackss | fora kernel upgrade do i need to restart for it to take effect? Cause it seems the old kernel is still there |
| 20:40.53 | redrain | mackss: Yes |
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| 20:42.45 | enouf | mackss: wait! |
| 20:42.53 | enouf | mackss: are you using Lilo ? |
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| 20:45.48 | Zasz | hi guys |
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| 20:46.10 | Zasz | quick on for ya, i installed ntpdate, and started it. It synced my clock but I don't see any cron jobs for it, and ps -A | grep ntpdate returns nothing |
| 20:46.15 | Zasz | how often does it sync |
| 20:46.18 | Zasz | and how does it do it? |
| 20:46.31 | jelly-home | Zasz: there are no cronjobs, set it up yourself. |
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| 20:46.46 | nvz | Zasz: ntp-simple will help |
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| 20:47.14 | nvz | Zasz: ntpdate is the quick fix for long drifts on boot/install ntp will keep it from drifting while its up |
| 20:47.39 | Zasz | thanks fellows! |
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| 20:48.24 | Zasz | ill add it to the monthly crontab then |
| 20:48.29 | nvz | heh |
| 20:48.39 | nvz | you cant just install ntp? |
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| 20:48.59 | nvz | !info ntp-simple |
| 20:49.08 | nvz | !info ntp-simple sarge |
| 20:49.10 | Zasz | I thought I did. apt-get install ntp |
| 20:49.18 | dpkg | ntp-simple: (Network Time Protocol: daemon for simple systems), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 117 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
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| 20:49.42 | Zasz | my system is not simple, I am :) |
| 20:49.49 | nvz | if you have ntp setup you dont need to have ntpdate run. it has an init.d script to run at boot, and the ntp daemon will manage drift when your system is running |
| 20:50.24 | nvz | no ntp-simple in sid apperntly dpkg barked at me |
| 20:50.42 | Zasz | what's the difference between doing apt-get install ntp and apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 20:50.46 | g333k | I just install debian on my laptop and I updated all the pkgs... now it is freezing up sometimes.. is there a way to know why? |
| 20:51.02 | Zasz | see what's going on in /var/log |
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| 20:52.20 | mackss | enouf, i don't think so. I don't even know what lilo is |
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| 20:52.42 | enouf | mackss: so then you're using GRUB? |
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| 20:52.51 | mackss | enouf, i don't believe so |
| 20:52.51 | nvz | Zasz: saved you a step |
| 20:52.59 | mackss | enouf, i have no idea what those are :-/ |
| 20:53.14 | nvz | Zasz: it pulls in ntp, ntp-date, and ntp-doc |
| 20:53.34 | Zasz | does it even setup a nice cron job for me |
| 20:53.42 | Zasz | does it santa, does it |
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| 20:54.03 | AngeNoir | Hello |
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| 20:54.09 | AngeNoir | I have a question |
| 20:54.19 | nvz | jeez, ntp runs as a daemon and monitors clock drift all the time, it doesnt need a cronjob |
| 20:54.26 | g333k | Zasz, if in /var/log theres no information another reason? |
| 20:54.28 | nvz | is that so hard to understand? |
| 20:54.31 | AngeNoir | I have a problem, i want mask ip:port to one only ip |
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| 20:55.29 | Zasz | nvz |
| 20:55.37 | Zasz | I don't know what the clock drift is |
| 20:55.41 | Zasz | That must be the problem |
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| 20:56.42 | Zasz | ok, now I do |
| 20:56.46 | Zasz | I setup ntp-simple |
| 20:56.47 | Zasz | thanks |
| 20:56.57 | g333k | maybe the cpu frequency ? |
| 20:57.33 | nvz | Zasz: the clock drift is the reason you install ntp in the first place |
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| 20:57.51 | Zasz | drift = deviation from accurate time? |
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| 21:02.01 | nvz | this pizza is better than herion to a junkie |
| 21:02.54 | Zasz | really |
| 21:03.00 | Zasz | that is seriously good pizza then |
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| 21:03.09 | Zasz | probably better than any I've had |
| 21:03.25 | pickcoder | nvz: must not be Domino's then |
| 21:03.48 | nvz | yepI am over 09 miles from the shop.. but I aleady had mine in the fridge. they just opened.. where ever you are you should be on your way :P |
| 21:03.57 | nvz | s/09/90/ |
| 21:05.00 | nvz | It's "Police Station Pizza" from the Pizza House |
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| 21:05.13 | Zasz | what is Police station pizza? |
| 21:05.14 | nvz | its a yinzer thing |
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| 21:05.36 | nvz | its the best damn pizza ever |
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| 21:06.26 | mmiikkee12 | how do i remove gnome? it's a ton of packages :/ |
| 21:06.34 | dvs | !remove gnome |
| 21:06.35 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 21:06.36 | rrk | has anyone made a software raid 1 with etch r3 on install? |
| 21:06.52 | Azio_spar | can anyone recommend a good kernel chan? (sorry for dumb question) |
| 21:07.10 | mackss | ok i installed ndiswrapper but my wifi device isn't showing up in network settings when i try to add a device |
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| 21:07.57 | nvz | they got this little shop by the old police station and they stroll in there about noon and behind closed doors they make top secret hommade sauce, dough, peperoni, sausage.. the whole nine batch it up from scratch and they open around 5pm and slang it out $0.70 a slice until 11pm or until they run out which is more often than not.. and their little lobby is always packed full and this guy points at you and goes "how many?" and jus |
| 21:09.12 | nvz | no cash register or anything fancy just some big old ovens and a bunch of italian guys sweating their ass off cooking the best pizza in the world. |
| 21:09.41 | mackss | redrain, you there? |
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| 21:10.17 | pickcoder | nvz: ah.. good dough makes a good pizza. just throw on some oil, garlic, oregano, and cheese. |
| 21:10.41 | peterS | I dunno, I'm pretty particular about requiring my pizza to have tomato sauce |
| 21:11.11 | redrain | mackss: Find your windows driver for your nic and install it with ndiswrapper |
| 21:11.13 | rrk | pestro is good |
| 21:11.25 | rrk | easier on the heartburn |
| 21:11.38 | nvz | pickcoder: I went to school with Doug, his family owns the place I'd considered holding him hostage for the recipie.. and my uncle in texas once asked me to go root around in their dumpster and figure out what kind of flour and ingredients they used.. heh |
| 21:12.54 | dvs | nvs: so.... they're pizza nazis? |
| 21:12.54 | nvz | they only open 6 hours a night like 6 days a week and I bet they easily bring in $50,000 a week |
| 21:13.34 | nvz | more like pizza dego's and they dont discriminate if you got a face he's gonna point at you and say "how many?" |
| 21:13.35 | jelly-home | for .70 a slice? |
| 21:13.49 | nvz | $0.20 for each topping on it but yeah |
| 21:14.27 | nvz | they do all the math in and orders in their head and toss the money in a little metal box |
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| 21:16.09 | nvz | its big thick crust and square |
| 21:16.41 | nvz | a one topping tray is like $22.50 or something for 24 pieces |
| 21:17.05 | dvs | yikes! |
| 21:17.24 | nvz | you could walk right out that door and sell each piece for $1 |
| 21:17.53 | nvz | I got up there and I got to go back many times and buy another tray cause I end up eating it or my friends do before I can get out of town |
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| 21:18.37 | enouf | peterS: erm ..marinara ? |
| 21:18.51 | ugly | anyone know of a gcc-4.x backcompile for stable? |
| 21:18.57 | nvz | there isnt any other pizza I know of you can buy and sell like a drug on the street |
| 21:19.34 | nvz | I buy that stuff and my friends are trying to buy it off me like I just bought some dope or something |
| 21:19.41 | enouf | nvz : pizza = legal = pay taxes - profit margin not so high :-p |
| 21:20.06 | dvs | enouf: but at least it's legel |
| 21:20.08 | nvz | they are banking trust me |
| 21:20.10 | dvs | legal |
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| 21:20.22 | kyaneos | http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1sr7.png |
| 21:20.25 | kyaneos | here it is |
| 21:20.33 | enouf | nvz: but i know what you mean about how good/satisfying certain foods can be (all fresh ingredients and prepared just right) |
| 21:21.01 | enouf | nvz: but jot as much as a local drug lord or your regional drug kingpin |
| 21:21.04 | enouf | not* |
| 21:21.35 | nvz | I could travel up there right now and buy $200 worth of pizza and spend like 3 hours and $20 or more in gas and still come back here and make a profit in less than an hour |
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| 21:22.05 | chuckyp | Anyone know how to change the number of text terminals spawned on boot? |
| 21:22.14 | peterS | chuckyp: yeah edit /etc/inittab |
| 21:22.16 | enouf | nvz: hop to it :-0 |
| 21:22.49 | enouf | dvs: yes - legal is quite important |
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| 21:23.08 | nvz | I dont have $200 and a car that I can put through a 200mile trip cause that ford thats sitting out there now I dont trust around town.. those cars are shit |
| 21:23.10 | peterS | chuckyp: while you're at it, go ahead and install 'mingetty' which is smaller and faster than the normal getty, then change the inittab lines to look like "2:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2" |
| 21:23.32 | dvs | enouf: I'd almost say it's not as bad for your health but it sounds like people can get really fat from this. ;-) |
| 21:23.48 | peterS | dvs: yeah but at least it isn't addict-- hmmm, maybe it is |
| 21:24.00 | dvs | peterS: I think it is. |
| 21:24.09 | dvs | ;-) |
| 21:24.19 | peterS | I tell you what, if I ever find myself in picksburg I'm gonna check out this place |
| 21:24.39 | dvs | Sure, I can make the 6 hour trip! |
| 21:24.49 | dvs | PA, right? |
| 21:25.07 | peterS | yeah it's a lot more than 6 hours for me |
| 21:25.12 | chuckyp | peterS: ty |
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| 21:25.27 | enouf | almost anything _can_be_ addictive - erm .. bring out obsessive compulsive behavior - I'm so glad I line in the NY metro region - the food around here is great compared to other parts of the country - actually most Coastal regions of the world have the best foods |
| 21:25.39 | enouf | live* |
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| 21:25.46 | nvz | its in Ambridge PA about 15 miles north of pittsburgh on merchant street between the old police station and advanced auto between 10th and 11th streets :P |
| 21:25.52 | mmiikkee12 | what's a good kde irc client |
| 21:25.58 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
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| 21:26.07 | nvz | one of the few things worth seeing in the old run-down American Bridge town |
| 21:26.38 | enouf | nvz: Id does occur in other parts - but that's a bit rare - depending upon which cuisine - which can be more regional |
| 21:27.07 | peterS | nvz: thanks, I'll make a note of that if I'm ever in the area |
| 21:27.15 | enouf | nvz: and you ARE near a major port city (3 rivers) |
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| 21:27.37 | nvz | might as well go over to another run down town on the other side of the river McKeys Rocks/Stowe Twp. and visit the Primadonna too.. its under new ownership but its still one hell of an italian resturant |
| 21:28.24 | nvz | enouf: I'm living about 81 miles south of Pittsburgh in Star City now |
| 21:28.38 | stoned | I need a cig |
| 21:29.10 | enouf | nvz: You know I should say I'm 'blessed' as many ppl in this world go hungry and over 25,000 children die daily and many of those could be easily prevented - so Yes I am blessed, no matter how much the food costs! |
| 21:29.17 | nvz | they lack a real good resturant around here. I am beginning to wonder if hometown hotdogs is the only thing worth eating around here other than major franchise places |
| 21:30.09 | Xenguy | .oO(Blessed Be) |
| 21:30.09 | mackss | redrain, which windows drivers do i need to download? XP/ME/98SE/2000/ etc |
| 21:30.19 | enouf | stoned: I got boros here :-p .. BUT somehow/someway PhillipFskenMorris has recently decide to stop shipping to my cig broker :mad: |
| 21:30.33 | mackss | redrain, this is the driver i need http://www.belkin.com/support/download.asp?lang=1&download=F5D7000&mode= |
| 21:30.45 | stoned | I just loaded my pipe with golden ribbon tobacco |
| 21:30.57 | stoned | no additives, no preservatives, just good old sweet tobacco |
| 21:31.06 | mackss | redrain, wait no i need this one...sorry http://www.belkin.com/support/download.asp?lang=1&download=F5D7001&mode= |
| 21:31.17 | enouf | stoned: ahhh ... I think I'll have a nice cigar soon - perhaps slow down my chimney of cigs |
| 21:31.30 | pickcoder | C.A.O. maduro |
| 21:31.35 | stoned | I've still got 100 cigars left |
| 21:31.42 | nvz | I went to the Olive Garden they just opened recently.. first and last time I ever go to the olive garden. swell tradional presentation, but my great grandparents and so was Mike who owned the resturant behind my house.. and I know what good italian food is and Olive Garden is an insult |
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| 21:31.47 | stoned | an assortment |
| 21:31.50 | redrain | mackss: Use XP driver, and please read some ndiswrapper documents... |
| 21:32.01 | enouf | stoned: you're across the pond .. yes? is that tobacco local ? |
| 21:32.12 | mackss | ya i'll have to dive into man |
| 21:32.15 | mackss | thanks |
| 21:32.18 | stoned | I only smoke honduran tobacco |
| 21:32.31 | nvz | I guess I forgot to say from italy in there |
| 21:32.35 | stoned | cuban is overrated, embargoes, otherwise hunduran tobacco is better than cuban |
| 21:32.36 | nvz | heh |
| 21:33.00 | redrain | mackss: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/ndiswrapper_on_Debian_Sarge_without_having_to_compile_anything |
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| 21:33.40 | nvz | They're all dead now.. mike just died this year at the crossing where he had been working all these years to start the overpass project just after he got back from italy with his new wife |
| 21:33.44 | nvz | isnt that ironic |
| 21:33.51 | enouf | nvz: olive garden is like the mickeyD's of italian 'style' food :-p |
| 21:33.55 | nvz | the overpass project just finally started this year |
| 21:34.07 | nvz | he dies there in a car accident |
| 21:34.10 | stoned | nvz, you shouldn't call people names. What the hell is an iron anyway? |
| 21:34.33 | blondie | you don't know what an iron is? |
| 21:34.44 | enouf | nvz: I ate there once myself and when I'm down south in this vast country - sometimes that's the best you can do .. what a shame |
| 21:34.46 | stoned | I'm sure hes not talking about the metal |
| 21:34.56 | blondie | iron has several meanings |
| 21:34.58 | nvz | !dict irony |
| 21:35.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'irony' (2 of 5): incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs; "the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" ;; . Irony \I"ron*y\, n.[L. ironia, Gr. ? dissimulation, fr. ? a dissembler in speech, fr. ? to speak; perh. akin to E. word: cf. F. ironie.] 1. Dissimulation; ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist.. |
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| 21:35.02 | stoned | like eyeron |
| 21:35.03 | blondie | usual a thing for ironing :P |
| 21:35.07 | stoned | eye ron ic |
| 21:35.10 | stoned | etc. |
| 21:35.11 | waiting | hey st0ned |
| 21:35.14 | stoned | hi |
| 21:35.14 | waiting | o/ |
| 21:35.18 | stoned | ? |
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| 21:35.18 | blondie | *usually |
| 21:35.39 | stoned | butsujenji temple |
| 21:35.42 | blondie | like, making your clothes not wrinkled |
| 21:35.48 | blondie | not that I ever iron my clothes |
| 21:35.55 | waiting | the iron is one of the three elemental particles usenet postings consist of |
| 21:35.57 | pickcoder | olive garden.. ick |
| 21:36.08 | nvz | the overpass progect Mike and My Father and Sue Laughlin then state representitive of the 16th cogressional district started back in 91 finally got underway this year and he comes back from italy and dies in a car accident in the intercection they were building the bridge to prevent |
| 21:36.17 | waiting | the other two are the cyon and the luson |
| 21:36.19 | nvz | there are deaths there all the time.. usually by train though |
| 21:36.32 | blondie | nvz: please use some commas |
| 21:36.34 | nvz | trains are easier to dodge.. he got hit by a truck IIRC |
| 21:36.49 | blondie | trains go faster than trucks o.o |
| 21:36.52 | nvz | blondie: too much like work |
| 21:36.59 | enouf | nvz : if talking about loved ones that have passed, then I empathize with you in your loss(es) |
| 21:37.12 | peterS | blondie: yeah but they're also relatively predictable. they don't generally change speed or direction suddenly |
| 21:37.19 | stoned | oh for fucks sake |
| 21:37.19 | nvz | blondie: yeah but as larry the cable guy said "if you ever get attacked by a train do this" as he stepped to the side |
| 21:37.22 | stoned | you people |
| 21:37.27 | stoned | *sigh* |
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| 21:37.32 | blondie | peterS: well that's true :) |
| 21:37.34 | stoned | loss? man come on |
| 21:37.35 | waiting | :) |
| 21:37.50 | stoned | you believe in all that religious shit right? they're in a better place now, wtf are you sad about? |
| 21:37.56 | stoned | you should be jumping up and down with glee |
| 21:38.13 | enouf | stoned: what ..you don't like violins ? ;-p |
| 21:38.25 | nvz | enouf: well Mike was just a friend.. he owned the bar behind my house and another bar by the crossing he was the mayor for several years |
| 21:38.45 | stoned | enouf, I play one |
| 21:39.08 | enouf | stoned: electric I bet |
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| 21:39.13 | stoned | nope |
| 21:39.16 | nvz | enouf: but its just the irony of how he came back from italy with his new wife and dies at the site of a project starting this year he started pushing back in the early 90s before he went back to italy |
| 21:39.18 | enouf | drats |
| 21:39.44 | nvz | they are naming the overpass after him and we put together a memorial dvd and ceremony for him at the ground breaking |
| 21:39.46 | enouf | bvz: I caught that finally - yes the irony is quite thivk |
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| 21:39.53 | enouf | thick* even |
| 21:40.00 | nvz | and as usual my dad hammed up a big speach in his honor for the press |
| 21:40.07 | stoned | debian sucks |
| 21:40.16 | enouf | O_o |
| 21:40.26 | EvilSporkMan | how do i get an old version of a package? nvidia-glx disappeared from testing and i need 8762-2 for my i386 chroot to match the version i have installed |
| 21:40.40 | stoned | !snapshots |
| 21:40.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 21:40.48 | stoned | EvilSporkMan, ^^ |
| 21:41.00 | EvilSporkMan | stoned: thanks |
| 21:41.11 | nvz | had the project been finished he would probably be alive and we would be naming the overpass after someone else :P |
| 21:41.19 | stoned | well I tried |
| 21:41.30 | waiting | nvz: :/ |
| 21:41.36 | waiting | nvz: when did it happen? |
| 21:41.38 | stoned | guess no one wants to flame me for saying debian sucks, so no topic change. We're still on the eye rons |
| 21:41.43 | stoned | iron |
| 21:41.54 | waiting | run that eye, stoned |
| 21:42.07 | peterS | stoned: yeah, you're kind of ineffectual as a troll |
| 21:42.08 | nvz | a few months ago April I think. |
| 21:42.13 | stoned | lol |
| 21:42.59 | waiting | nvz: how come you debate this in here? I mean like, we some arbitrary nerds you know |
| 21:43.08 | waiting | nvz: please no offense, I just wonder |
| 21:43.23 | nvz | yeah, nothing else going on.. filling you in on regional sights |
| 21:43.27 | waiting | :P |
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| 21:43.33 | nvz | tour de pittsburg suburbs |
| 21:43.35 | waiting | I could tell you bout our traffic issues here |
| 21:43.45 | nvz | yeah thats a PITA |
| 21:43.47 | stoned | lets talk about large breasts |
| 21:43.56 | me_here | and cancer ? |
| 21:43.57 | waiting | we got europe's most traffic intensive highway cross round here |
| 21:43.57 | stoned | that usually makes people happy |
| 21:44.10 | waiting | and a lot of silly solutions involving highways |
| 21:44.17 | nvz | pittsburg is always under construction.. down here in morgantown traffic is just naturally bad without all the detours |
| 21:44.34 | waiting | it's mostly ... planning or budgeting errors, but really mostly planning errors |
| 21:44.38 | nvz | I dont think hillbillies know how to do traffic studies |
| 21:44.46 | stoned | I've updated this sid system like every day for a week and still have not restarted |
| 21:44.58 | peterS | why would you restart? |
| 21:45.04 | minerale | where does GDM keep it's session info files? |
| 21:45.08 | waiting | nvz: it's lots about the road construction business inlocal context |
| 21:45.09 | pickcoder | nvz: I don't think that DOT engineers deserve an "engineer" title in general |
| 21:45.11 | stoned | I wouldn't unless I needed to load the new kernel |
| 21:45.11 | peterS | I restart when my power fails, basically |
| 21:45.19 | nvz | minerale: what type of session info? logs? |
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| 21:45.29 | benjamindees | hillbillies know how to do things half assed as quickly as possible |
| 21:45.37 | pickcoder | nvz: show me one successful interstate or highway project in the USA and I'll change my opinion |
| 21:45.41 | mackss | redrain, one thing the how-to doesn't explain is how to get the .inf file from the .exe |
| 21:45.42 | minerale | nvz: the list of sessions one can choose to startup |
| 21:45.45 | waiting | nvz: I dont know the correct term, we build that here now into all intersections, "ring traffic" |
| 21:45.52 | minerale | nvz: ie gnome, kde etc |
| 21:45.53 | mackss | redrain, can you explain to me how i can do that? |
| 21:45.58 | waiting | nvz: completely useless, it's only about the order |
| 21:46.00 | stoned | minerale, update-alternatives |
| 21:46.02 | peterS | pickcoder: that's a nonstarter because any project he points you to, you get to define whether or not you say it is successfull |
| 21:46.04 | stoned | minerale, man it |
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| 21:46.14 | waiting | nvz: stuff like that ... |
| 21:46.17 | stoned | minerale, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 21:46.29 | pickcoder | peterS: exactly.. |
| 21:46.33 | nvz | minerale: those should be managed automagically by 'menu' if its installed and you can use "default" and make your own .xinitrc or .xsession file in your homedir, and they should also be in the config file in /etc/gdm/ |
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| 21:47.00 | nvz | minerale: the "default" session is the preferred way to go for custom setup for each user |
| 21:47.05 | peterS | pickcoder: I think the US-400 project in Wichita over the past 13 years has been very successful. it's not finished yet, but what there is makes life so much easier than it was for people who drive across town much |
| 21:47.44 | pickcoder | peterS: is it on-time? |
| 21:47.59 | peterS | pickcoder: I have no idea what the project schedule was or is |
| 21:48.13 | nvz | waiting: yeah sometimes it works.. coraopolis, pa did a thing where they made 4th and 5th the main two north/south roads one way in and out.. I think they should do that down here in Sabraton because they have the same layout and a MAJOR traffic problem |
| 21:48.21 | pickcoder | peterS: that's one of the biggest problems is scehduling and land appropriation |
| 21:48.30 | pickcoder | scheduling too |
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| 21:48.53 | pickcoder | one guy out in the middle of nowhere decides he's not moving anywhere |
| 21:49.01 | pickcoder | so it goes to court |
| 21:49.09 | nvz | waiting: one way circles helps in most towns and cities but its still a PITA |
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| 21:49.40 | Guerin | man |
| 21:49.44 | peterS | roundabouts aren't that great of an idea. they work and they're kind of fun, but they don't work _that_ well |
| 21:49.45 | stoned | woman |
| 21:50.22 | Guerin | they're putting a bypass through the centre of wellington, through one of the oldest parts of the city, at a cost of tens of millions and requirting the demolition or relocation of dozens of historical buildings |
| 21:50.24 | peterS | or by 'one way circles' do you mean circuits of one-way streets? |
| 21:50.40 | stoned | yup |
| 21:50.44 | Guerin | in order to save *one minute* on a trip from the motorway to the airport |
| 21:50.45 | nvz | its better than being stuck in traffic. they use parkways in our and around town in Pittsburgh, but with all the inner city constuction it doesnt help you always got detours half way around town |
| 21:50.49 | stoned | just like the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy |
| 21:51.28 | nvz | Guerin: the loss of historical buildings that way is terrible. I'd protest these insanities |
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| 21:51.47 | Azio_spar | does anyone know how i might go about setting CONFIG_HZ to greater than 1000? |
| 21:51.56 | peterS | Azio_spar: eh, why? |
| 21:52.03 | Guerin | nvz: just to give you an idea of how much it has been ptrotested, they started the development in 1994, and it's still nowhere near half done |
| 21:52.06 | Azio_spar | its a question of gaming |
| 21:52.18 | Guerin | nvz: the sad thing is that the lawyers are laughing all the way to the bank |
| 21:52.20 | Azio_spar | for multiple 1000fps realtime gaming |
| 21:52.27 | peterS | Azio_spar: you are not going to tell me you have sub-millisecond responses |
| 21:52.28 | nvz | in texas they dont have historical buildings. they build a hospital, tear it down 4 years later and build it on the other side of the highway and make a parking garage.. its one construction after another down there |
| 21:52.32 | Azio_spar | heh :) |
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| 21:52.42 | peterS | Azio_spar: because, sorry, you don't, and neither do any of your l33t friends |
| 21:52.53 | Azio_spar | ok |
| 21:53.01 | Azio_spar | thanks |
| 21:53.19 | Guerin | Azio_spar: you could just make a net kernel variable called CONFIG_1337_HZ and set that as high as you like |
| 21:53.22 | peterS | Azio_spar: I don't know if there's convenient kernel macro support for HZ > 1000 anyway |
| 21:53.32 | nvz | history seems short lived in the landscape of texas.. |
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| 21:53.38 | enouf | Azio_spar: thanks for the trolling attempt though |
| 21:53.40 | peterS | well, alpha used 1024 for years, but that hardly counts as > 1000 |
| 21:53.45 | Azio_spar | :< |
| 21:53.50 | Guerin | nvz: galveston |
| 21:53.54 | Azio_spar | well aware of most of the stuff your saying |
| 21:54.00 | Azio_spar | just unable to find a patch for my particular vanilla |
| 21:54.05 | Azio_spar | I'm not trolling :) |
| 21:54.12 | Azio_spar | its for an openmosix machine.. |
| 21:54.22 | nvz | mmm open mosix |
| 21:54.23 | Azio_spar | :( sorry to bother you lads. |
| 21:54.28 | nvz | I still havent tried that yet |
| 21:54.33 | enouf | Guerin: bwahahaha |
| 21:54.35 | Azio_spar | ahh its worth the trouble |
| 21:54.58 | Azio_spar | maybe Mac OS X and X-Grid :D |
| 21:55.00 | nvz | Azio_spar: I always got a large number of junky old boxes.. so I figure it would be |
| 21:55.10 | Azio_spar | mm i have a 10 machine cluster here |
| 21:55.14 | Azio_spar | just for development, nothing fancy |
| 21:55.29 | peterS | Azio_spar: yeah, looking in the kernel code, it won't take a HZ value greater than 1535. |
| 21:55.41 | Azio_spar | without changing the TIME_SHIFTS no :D |
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| 21:55.50 | Azio_spar | i just wanted to avoid making my own patch really :< |
| 21:55.57 | Azio_spar | as it would be a first for me |
| 21:56.16 | bcr | the dynamic tick code may allow for higher effective values of HZ |
| 21:56.24 | Azio_spar | hopeso |
| 21:56.34 | Azio_spar | i need about 2000 "fps" of simulation precision |
| 21:56.47 | peterS | Azio_spar: it's called SHIFT_HZ nowadays. you could provide your own. but honestly, anything higher 1000 Hz, I don't get |
| 21:56.50 | Azio_spar | its more for good measure, but im prepared to spend the time modifying it |
| 21:56.59 | bcr | but why do you need HZ > 2000? |
| 21:57.24 | bcr | create a high prio real time task and use gettimeofday() |
| 21:57.27 | redrain | mackss: If you don't have a windows machine you can't. One thing you can use is wine, and it will be another problem for you... |
| 21:57.34 | Azio_spar | peterS: understandable, i feel that its more a case for our customers, they will run tools that check the fps, and if the troughput is higher, theoretically the tool/binaries we run should return a higher value |
| 21:57.37 | peterS | Azio_spar: you will note that HZ isn't a limit on how fast you can context-switch. the kernel lets you switch processes much more often than that, assuming processes sleep for I/O. |
| 21:57.59 | Azio_spar | ive got a cunning feeling if that higher value isnt there, still it could be more consistent, in the multiuser environment we have |
| 21:58.16 | peterS | Azio_spar: the only point of HZ, from a user perspective, if _forcing_ context switches every so often, if a process _doesn't_ do any I/O operations |
| 21:58.28 | bcr | shrug.. HZ is an upper bound on the opportunity to ctx switch |
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| 21:58.32 | Azio_spar | hmm thats a good point |
| 21:58.46 | peterS | bcr: you mean lower bound |
| 21:59.03 | bcr | well upper bound temporarily.. will not take longer than 1/HZ |
| 21:59.04 | peterS | well, upper bound on the amount of time before the opportunity to reschedule |
| 21:59.08 | Azio_spar | peterS: seems like the CONFIG_HZ and SHIFT_HZ are the tip of the iceberg for what i need :) |
| 21:59.12 | bcr | right |
| 21:59.34 | Azio_spar | yes well ive read about the whole 1/HZ thing. |
| 21:59.41 | Azio_spar | Im concerned of the disk io overhead |
| 21:59.42 | Azio_spar | ;/ |
| 21:59.56 | bcr | yes. linux needs better async file i/o |
| 21:59.56 | Azio_spar | by the sounds of it the frequency patch is indiscriminate |
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| 22:00.10 | pickcoder | Azio_spar: RAM disk with HDD backup? |
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| 22:00.25 | Azio_spar | hmm |
| 22:00.32 | peterS | Azio_spar: I suspect you'll get a lot more mileage out of interactive schedulers and preempt mode |
| 22:01.00 | Azio_spar | meh :( too bad :) that is probably a little bit more troublesome than a patch for the shifting :D |
| 22:01.11 | Azio_spar | But i expect your right |
| 22:01.22 | nvz | oh stop with all the talk about clusters, schedulers, and preempt you're turning me on :P |
| 22:01.23 | Azio_spar | Maybe a combination of both, and a way to deal with disk I/O |
| 22:01.23 | peterS | (by 'interactive schedulers' I mean the perennial quest to tweak the scheduler to respond more quickly in a user-visible way, to user activity) |
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| 22:01.34 | Azio_spar | i suppose if you used NFS and PXE |
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| 22:01.46 | nvz | makes me wanna go compile a new kernel |
| 22:01.54 | Azio_spar | lol yea |
| 22:02.03 | bcr | most desktop problems go away with swapoff -a ;) |
| 22:02.06 | peterS | nvz: swsusp! |
| 22:02.14 | Azio_spar | anyway i know some people running the 10,000hz patch |
| 22:02.21 | Azio_spar | some of them do run realtime systems |
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| 22:02.29 | Hoxzer | :O |
| 22:02.29 | Azio_spar | or a poor attempt at a realtime embedded system |
| 22:02.33 | Azio_spar | it amused me |
| 22:02.38 | nvz | peterS: were you trying to ruin the mood? ;) |
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| 22:02.48 | Azio_spar | Still... 2000hz seems sensible :D |
| 22:02.57 | Azio_spar | with some scheduler fiddling.. |
| 22:03.02 | bcr | being "hard real time" means nothing until you define the deadline |
| 22:03.05 | peterS | Azio_spar: it doesn't seem sensible to me. I thought the move to 1000 Hz was overkill, and still do. |
| 22:03.09 | nvz | screaming out swsusp is like calling her the wrong name |
| 22:03.11 | Azio_spar | ahh |
| 22:03.18 | nvz | you could get slapped |
| 22:03.19 | k-man | how can i strip the filename from a path (just leaving the path) form the cli? |
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| 22:03.21 | nvz | or worse |
| 22:03.23 | bcr | there are win32 boxes that can do 300 second hard real time pretty reliably ;) |
| 22:03.24 | Azio_spar | i tend to agree |
| 22:03.29 | peterS | k-man: 'dirname' and 'basename' |
| 22:03.40 | k-man | peterS, ah, thanks |
| 22:03.44 | Azio_spar | One other question, what is the disk i/o overhead for increasing HZ? |
| 22:03.54 | Azio_spar | is it really existant, or am I imagining it? |
| 22:04.06 | peterS | I don't see that disk I/O and HZ have anything to do with each other |
| 22:04.28 | Azio_spar | Ok. Azio told ;o |
| 22:04.28 | Azio_spar | hehe |
| 22:04.32 | Azio_spar | Thanks PecisDarbs |
| 22:04.32 | peterS | maybe they do, but I'm not seeing it |
| 22:04.39 | Azio_spar | :< *peterS |
| 22:04.51 | Azio_spar | well.. maybe not. |
| 22:05.12 | Azio_spar | I was just thinking if the execution IO is greatr 1/n |
| 22:05.20 | Azio_spar | then any executing program accessing disk i/o |
| 22:06.05 | Azio_spar | has a great interupt |
| 22:06.05 | Azio_spar | meh, imagining it perhaps :) |
| 22:06.06 | Azio_spar | bbiab . sorry for the slight whiff of trolling ;-) |
| 22:06.06 | Azio_spar | unintentional :) |
| 22:06.06 | peterS | with faster scheduling your hit is in running the scheduler itself, and in L2 cache bouncing, and in TLB reloading |
| 22:06.12 | nvz | I thought I smelled something |
| 22:06.12 | Azio_spar | yeah |
| 22:06.13 | nvz | heh |
| 22:06.14 | Azio_spar | i mean we are using 2MB L2's |
| 22:06.16 | nvz | j/k |
| 22:06.18 | Azio_spar | :P |
| 22:06.19 | peterS | none of those things have anything to do with disk I/O, to my knowledge |
| 22:06.25 | Azio_spar | ok |
| 22:06.45 | Azio_spar | Makes sense now. |
| 22:06.59 | Azio_spar | Thanks again peterS, you may not believe it but not the first time ive received advice here :) |
| 22:07.03 | peterS | but they're real costs. you don't want a process to just have finished warming up the L2 cache when it gets bounced out of the CPU in favor of some other process |
| 22:07.08 | Azio_spar | (from you aswell) |
| 22:07.20 | Azio_spar | peterS, its the overhead that troubles me |
| 22:07.49 | Azio_spar | i am however prepared to sacrafice 10% cpu usage on our smp 2MB L2 x 2 setup if it means being able to pass 1000z , even if its only by 1.x times :D |
| 22:08.01 | peterS | well, when you're in the GHz range of CPU cycle speeds, and you're in the kHz range of scheduling, it's probably a pretty small bit of overhead, all things considered |
| 22:08.24 | Azio_spar | mmm, let me check the scheduler cfg in my kernel |
| 22:08.30 | Azio_spar | no idea what it is in all honesty :) |
| 22:08.42 | Azio_spar | the config, that is, :P |
| 22:09.21 | Azio_spar | ooh, looks painful |
| 22:09.34 | Azio_spar | # IO Schedulers |
| 22:09.45 | marco2391 | how do I find out what files a package installed? |
| 22:09.48 | peterS | also, I don't know if ingo molnar's take no prisoners preempt stuff is still being maintained (that was pre-2.6.0 that I heard about it) but if so, that's a patch worth looking at |
| 22:09.52 | peterS | marco2391: dpkg -L |
| 22:09.53 | Azio_spar | dpkg -L |
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| 22:10.37 | Azio_spar | http://ardour.org/node/117 <--google is my friend |
| 22:10.51 | Azio_spar | oh bugger, thats useless ;/ |
| 22:10.56 | Azio_spar | bbiab lads :) |
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| 22:10.59 | Azio_spar | time to stop spamming. |
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| 22:11.16 | enouf | nvz: then this will really get you all hot and bothered :-0 http://www.realtimelinuxfoundation.org/solutions/redhawk.html |
| 22:11.23 | dbe | Which game package is simillar to packman? |
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| 22:11.48 | peterS | apt-cache search pacman |
| 22:12.17 | dbe | right |
| 22:12.28 | nvz | heh my guitar had a weggie |
| 22:12.51 | enouf | nvz: no .... oh noes ...how is that possible ? |
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| 22:13.44 | nvz | I picked it up and it sounded out of tune on the bottom half and I checked and my tuner read the GBe strings were all half step sharp.. so I tuned the G# down half a step and it was all in tune.. so the G string was stuck up its ass and it was half step away from a cool stride |
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| 22:14.49 | nvz | thats funny I dont care who you are |
| 22:14.59 | nvz | you are all too busy laughing to type I am sure |
| 22:15.27 | nvz | ok maybe I am just high or something |
| 22:15.40 | arsenipple | ive managed to install debian on my dell gx280, with usb stick, which is accomplishment no1, but i dont know howto use vesa mode to launch gdm? as i don tthink there i much support for the onboard graphics (it wont load gdm :P) |
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| 22:16.34 | dbe | arsenipple, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:16.52 | arsenipple | im on etch, so would it be xorg? |
| 22:16.55 | dbe | arsenipple, or xserver-xorg |
| 22:16.58 | arsenipple | :) |
| 22:16.59 | enouf | nvz: using tremelo bridges/system are renound for causing wedgies :-p |
| 22:17.02 | arsenipple | ty |
| 22:17.06 | dbe | yw |
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| 22:17.17 | dbe | packman lags. |
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| 22:17.26 | dbe | packman* |
| 22:17.43 | nvz | enouf: its an "Indian" acoustic 6string the pegs and bridge are a bit shaky a friend of mine gave it to me |
| 22:17.45 | enouf | reknowned* even |
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| 22:18.11 | nvz | one legged chick, your one legs a stick, one legged chick.. |
| 22:18.19 | nvz | yeah my guitar got a peg leg problem |
| 22:18.36 | nvz | I put paper in the one hole to help it stay in |
| 22:18.50 | enouf | nvz: well .. i started on a 6 string aciustic pos that required a pair of pliers just to tune the g-strings machine head :-p |
| 22:19.02 | enouf | acoustic* |
| 22:19.53 | nvz | enouf: yeah I had a Mark II or something from kmart or wherever at first.. then got a Squier S-65 off musicians friend was a nice little electric to learn on looked like a skinnier Les Paul and was another cheap beginner guitar |
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| 22:20.03 | enouf | nvz: the closest i could lower the strings without severe fret buzzing, was like a full 5/8 inch :-o |
| 22:20.40 | nvz | enouf: I traded that for my Takamine G-Series RS-240 a pretty red acoustic-electric that I left in Dallas :( |
| 22:20.41 | enouf | nvz: really great for increasing finger strength |
| 22:20.59 | enouf | nvz: tears* |
| 22:21.23 | arsenipple | vesa doesnt appear to work either. |
| 22:21.54 | nvz | I kind of want a guitar like michelle branch has she's got some nice looking acoustics.. I really like that black one I never them like that when I go to the stores around here |
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| 22:22.37 | nvz | I may just switch back to electric and try find a gibson |
| 22:22.53 | enouf | hugs his 1979 les paul :-) |
| 22:22.57 | nvz | I always wanted to try an SG on for size or a Les Paul |
| 22:23.25 | enouf | wishes he still had his vintage 1958 standard though |
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| 22:24.06 | nvz | a guy I knew had I think it was a 64 SG I dont remember the year really.. it was nice.. the strings looked like they havent been changed in 10 years but it still played.. he had a nice amp he wired up himself with two 12s |
| 22:24.15 | enouf | nvz: SGs never really appealed t me - too thin sounding |
| 22:24.25 | NetNiet | d |
| 22:24.45 | enouf | though I wouldn't deny a '64 anything at this poibnt |
| 22:24.57 | nvz | I dont like it that much either I really prefer clean acoustic.. but I'd like to try playing a different style |
| 22:24.58 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 22:25.13 | enouf | nvz: flamenco is nice |
| 22:25.21 | Dantix | hi all, anyone knows why the debian module for megaraid, embedded into Intel 7221 motherboard, let me see both HD of a configured RAID. More.. I can write different data in each one!!! |
| 22:25.22 | enouf | !greet stranger_stone |
| 22:25.22 | dpkg | Nihao, stranger_stone |
| 22:25.49 | nvz | enouf: so I heard, but I am not at all familiar with |
| 22:25.53 | stranger_stone | lol |
| 22:25.57 | stranger_stone | hey enouf :) |
| 22:26.08 | enouf | wow - the wind from the remnants of tropical storm "ernesto" are strong and sweet |
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| 22:26.31 | enouf | stranger_stone: yo yo yo ...whas up my homey ? |
| 22:26.38 | stranger_stone | lol |
| 22:26.52 | stranger_stone | linuxxxxx :) |
| 22:26.53 | pickcoder | enouf: they were fun thursday night here |
| 22:26.56 | stranger_stone | pinguim |
| 22:27.25 | pickcoder | enouf: plenty of surf, but I'm not going back out this year. Got a man-o-war across my ankle a few weeks ago |
| 22:27.36 | enouf | Dantix: any info at linux-ata.org maybe |
| 22:27.55 | peterS | enouf: eh, megaraid isn't ATA or SATA |
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| 22:28.10 | mackss | can someone tell me how to get the .inf file from a .exe so i can install my driver in ndiswrapper? |
| 22:28.22 | enouf | pickcoder : man-o-war ? ouch! they were a very loud band :-) |
| 22:28.23 | peterS | mackss: try cabextract or orange or somethin |
| 22:28.25 | pickcoder | mackss: A windoze box? |
| 22:28.28 | Dantix | enouf, SATA |
| 22:29.40 | enouf | is confused - so pay no attention to him :-) ...goes to pour a nice drink |
| 22:29.45 | troubled | <g> |
| 22:30.16 | troubled | simonrvn: first priorities ;) |
| 22:30.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:31.53 | mackss | pickcoder, it's a windows driver that i need to install |
| 22:31.55 | mackss | on debian |
| 22:33.33 | pickcoder | mackss: did you try the cabextract that PeterS mentioned? |
| 22:33.42 | mackss | i am trying now |
| 22:34.00 | mackss | i am reading man on how to use it |
| 22:34.22 | nvz | is there any auto-scroll mechanism in X or firefox? |
| 22:34.45 | Guerin | nvz: just can't be botheres scrolling down with one hand? |
| 22:34.47 | nvz | I never messed with that feature before but I was wondering how you would do something like that in linux |
| 22:34.56 | mackss | cabextract -p R81433.EXE |
| 22:34.57 | mackss | R81433.EXE: no valid cabinets found |
| 22:35.01 | mackss | pickcoder, :-/ |
| 22:35.21 | troubled | if /etc/network/interfaces in pre-up command the "proper" place for running nameif? etch likes calling it eth1 for somereason |
| 22:35.21 | troubled | or am I missing some init script somewhere? |
| 22:35.29 | nvz | well for reading a large document it can be helpful to set a pace.. I can speed read but I cant scroll consistantly .. this scroll wheel doesn work |
| 22:35.40 | nvz | the click button does but not the wheel action |
| 22:35.51 | Guerin | mackss: is it an executable installer, or just a self-extracting archive? |
| 22:36.12 | nvz | in windows the auto scroll can set a steady pace |
| 22:36.18 | nvz | when you click the middle button |
| 22:36.35 | nvz | I am not sure what if anything implements this |
| 22:36.38 | mackss | Guerin, i am not sure :-/ |
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| 22:36.48 | mackss | i hardly use windows :-/ |
| 22:37.00 | Guerin | mackss: try opening it with unzip |
| 22:37.24 | mackss | Driver: http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R81433.EXE (use bcmwl5a.inf in directory AR) |
| 22:37.38 | nvz | yeah I dont have windows or want it I'd scroll my documents by hand on a paper scroll before I'd use windows |
| 22:37.50 | clarissa | lol xD |
| 22:37.57 | mackss | nvz, heh |
| 22:38.38 | pickcoder | mackss, you just need the inf? |
| 22:38.45 | mackss | yes |
| 22:38.48 | mackss | for the wrapper |
| 22:38.55 | nvz | I think I may go buy myself some new input devices |
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| 22:39.06 | nvz | spontanious shopping |
| 22:39.24 | mackss | YAY |
| 22:39.28 | mackss | unzip worked |
| 22:39.43 | enouf | Dantix: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html maybe for some info then |
| 22:39.44 | nvz | I've been desiring better input for a long time.. I got a decent keyboard and a working version of this mouse on the other pc.. but the stuff on here sucks |
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| 22:39.50 | mackss | wtf does windows do .exe for zip? that's fucking retarded |
| 22:39.51 | pickcoder | mackss: yeah, dell uses self-extracting zips |
| 22:40.01 | mackss | (excuse the language, i just hate windows) |
| 22:40.07 | mackss | ah |
| 22:40.11 | pickcoder | mackss: it launches installer programs and/or install help HTML |
| 22:40.35 | enouf | nvz: you know - I really want to get this pile of components together for a system build - need a Case/Tower and PSU atleast and that's it ...maybe online shopping is in order :-) |
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| 22:40.45 | nvz | mackss: no, you can make an executable zip though you just compile the zip and the unzip program together into one file.. you could probably run it with wine |
| 22:41.23 | nvz | enouf: yeah well I cant shop online right now until I get more money and pay my credit card off :P |
| 22:41.27 | mapez | Hey, was wonderin' if I need just CD 1 or CD 2 for my Debian Install. |
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| 22:41.42 | Guerin | mapez: 1 |
| 22:42.01 | Guerin | mapez: 2 has some userful stuff on as well, but you can always get things off teh intarwebs |
| 22:42.04 | mapez | Thought so. Thanks. It was either Debian or Jungle Sounds, I picked the first of the two. |
| 22:42.30 | enouf | nvz: yeah for credit limit extensions :-p |
| 22:42.50 | mapez | Guerin: and has support for 64bit got better in this last year? |
| 22:42.55 | Guerin | mapez: no idea. |
| 22:43.00 | nvz | If I had more money I'd go to gamestop and get a geek box to amuse myself |
| 22:43.00 | enouf | nvz: but really - paying stuff off forst is paramount to remaining sane |
| 22:43.02 | mapez | Anyone? |
| 22:43.09 | enouf | first* |
| 22:43.19 | nvz | damn someone is calling me |
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| 22:43.38 | enouf | nvz : oooo baby - hot date ? |
| 22:43.39 | arsenipple | hm |
| 22:44.09 | nvz | nope |
| 22:44.11 | arsenipple | intel i910 onboard graphics wasnt working, tried vesa mode, ive now put in a nvidia gf5200 pci card, and no joy either :s |
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| 22:44.53 | enouf | mackass : be happy it's not an MSI/InstallShield file ... heehehe - I think Linux does have a cab extraction/conversion tool |
| 22:45.13 | nvz | only one girl around here has my number and she's not calling unless she wants something |
| 22:45.38 | enouf | mackss: sorry - I said a funny name by mistake |
| 22:45.55 | enouf | purely unintentional ... |
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| 22:46.23 | enouf | nvz: trust me . i know the type all too well |
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| 22:46.52 | cparker | hi, i'm having a problem getting alsa working. so far, i've been able to get some sound to come out, but it's in half-second blips separated by 1-second pauses. when i try to play an mp3, this is what i get from alsa: http://pastebin.ca/159304 |
| 22:46.57 | enouf | nvz: so I goes a hunting for new fresh dependants :-) |
| 22:47.00 | earomulo | Hi all! |
| 22:47.07 | nvz | enouf: yeah well what can you do .. there are laws.. and blood hounds.. |
| 22:47.14 | enouf | !greet earomulo |
| 22:47.14 | dpkg | Moo, earomulo |
| 22:47.16 | cparker | I'm on Debian Etch. |
| 22:47.19 | earomulo | =) |
| 22:47.21 | earomulo | moo |
| 22:47.24 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 22:47.25 | dpkg | de rien, enouf |
| 22:47.30 | earomulo | I'm a bit stunned |
| 22:47.41 | nvz | the dogs will begin to smell her |
| 22:47.43 | enouf | dpkg ooo ...foreign languages you sexy thing |
| 22:48.07 | enouf | nvz: will she stand alone ..? |
| 22:48.29 | nvz | enouf: heh |
| 22:48.34 | mackss | enouf, i was able to get the inf with unzip... however i ran into a new problem :( |
| 22:48.39 | mackss | insmod: can't read 'lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory |
| 22:48.40 | enouf | nvz: STP - I need to pop that good oldie in the cd drive now :-p |
| 22:48.46 | nvz | enouf: I had STP in my head for a minute there myself |
| 22:49.18 | nvz | STP sounds like some decent thinking music right now while I decide what to do |
| 22:49.37 | earomulo | was installing debian here, then the instalation keeped stoping, went to tty4; it was saying it couldn't find /target/start-stop-daemon.REAL; I created one and the instalation finished |
| 22:49.38 | earomulo | now I don't have the /sbin/start-stop-daemon :~~ |
| 22:49.53 | enouf | mackss : others here can help you better - the location may be wrong (you may need to copy the .ko to /lib/modules/.../....) or you need to specify the PATH or something |
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| 22:50.34 | nvz | I thought I had a mp3 of plush acoustic that sounded good.. but I guess I will have to pull the album |
| 22:50.56 | enouf | mackss: it's not standard module in 2.6.16 even - perhaps a modprobe is in order |
| 22:51.11 | enouf | nvz: and there ya go :-) |
| 22:51.38 | enouf | !moo |
| 22:51.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:51.39 | nvz | this is where I need that electric and some distortion |
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| 22:52.08 | nvz | I would probably have to get headphones around here or move to the boonies |
| 22:52.15 | nvz | out to the holla |
| 22:52.18 | arsenipple | meh |
| 22:52.28 | earomulo | =/ |
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| 22:52.37 | enouf | earomulo: do you mean the /sbin/halt and sbin/shutdown .bins? |
| 22:52.39 | arsenipple | how do i reconfigure my kernel for nvidia support?:/ |
| 22:53.03 | arsenipple | cant start gdm, even though ive now got a nvidia card in, instead of the i910 onboard, which i dont think is supported :s |
| 22:53.03 | nvz | might as well put some perl jam on while I got the stp out |
| 22:53.22 | earomulo | enouf: dunno, everything I try to do here with apt, for example, says i don't have the /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
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| 22:53.33 | earomulo | enouf: and its true, I don't o.o'' |
| 22:53.38 | enouf | nvz: i need to also rehook up my NEC 150per watt channel Amp - so I can bnlow these apt housing residents arses off :-) |
| 22:54.05 | MatBoy | wow, some extra mem is really an advantage !! |
| 22:54.09 | earomulo | ah, and booting the system, loots of 'error' messages cuz i don't have this file |
| 22:54.35 | enouf | earomulo: what installation media did you use and on what hardware ? |
| 22:54.43 | mackss | enouf, debian:/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686# ls |
| 22:54.43 | mackss | boot modules.alias modules.ieee1394map modules.pcimap source |
| 22:54.43 | mackss | initrd modules.ccwmap modules.inputmap modules.symbols |
| 22:54.43 | mackss | kernel modules.dep modules.isapnpmap modules.usbmap |
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| 22:54.59 | mackss | ekk heh |
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| 22:55.04 | Guerin | tw@ |
| 22:55.17 | earomulo | enouf: installed via net, amd athon xp 2400+ 512 mb |
| 22:55.18 | mackss | sowwy debhelper :( |
| 22:55.38 | earomulo | a laptop, compac nx9005 |
| 22:56.05 | MatBoy | Compaq ? that is always a good install :) |
| 22:56.09 | enouf | mackss - explain again? but do NOT paste in the channel use Pastebin |
| 22:56.11 | MatBoy | what are your problems ? |
| 22:56.21 | nvz | enouf: yeah I am looking for some cheap speakers.. maybe a 15" with a cone tweeter if I can find a deal.. want more sound for this party I am dj, and all I got right now is the 6" and whatever else is in that old thing.. I think its 6 speakers total |
| 22:56.29 | enouf | !tell mackss about paster |
| 22:56.30 | earomulo | MatBoy: really!? here its almost always the opposite ¬¬ |
| 22:56.30 | Azio | :> |
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| 22:56.48 | earomulo | MatBoy: I don't have a /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 22:56.53 | enouf | earomulo: netinstal ? |
| 22:56.57 | MatBoy | earomulo, I ran Debian on my NX5000 with everything 100% supported :D |
| 22:57.01 | enouf | netinstall* |
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| 22:57.05 | MatBoy | expet my cardreader |
| 22:57.05 | nvz | enouf: its a big old tube radio its got a lot of sound but not like a good 15 |
| 22:57.10 | MatBoy | except |
| 22:57.14 | earomulo | enouf: yeah |
| 22:57.19 | bcr | nvz: how cheap? |
| 22:57.38 | MatBoy | earomulo, do you have the last bootcd ? |
| 22:57.44 | earomulo | MatBoy: its here |
| 22:57.47 | nvz | bcr: as cheap as I can find :P I seen like $150 or so on ebay for some dj speakers with the 15 and cones |
| 22:57.50 | enouf | nvz : I have decent 15" spkrs but could use better ones - still got my marshall stack cabs though - hehehe |
| 22:57.51 | earomulo | I just installed |
| 22:57.56 | MatBoy | earomulo, ran apt-get upgrade ? |
| 22:58.00 | earomulo | actually, I'm IN the instalation right now |
| 22:58.03 | bcr | nvz: jbl tr125s are pretty good for around $150 |
| 22:58.16 | earomulo | MatBoy: can't, i don't have this sbin/blablabla |
| 22:58.22 | bcr | if you have $700/ea the mackie srm450s are awesome |
| 22:58.23 | enouf | nvz: whoops they are 10" woofers ...what was I thinking ...l333t ohnoes! |
| 22:58.26 | mackss | enouf, http://pastebin.com/782346 |
| 22:58.31 | NetNiet | any one here with experiance with installing Etch on a Intel Blade server ? |
| 22:58.40 | MatBoy | earomulo, download a older netCD and reinstall |
| 22:58.57 | nvz | bcr: I am still not sure if I would run them off the tube amp or get a seperate one.. the old stereo has rca inputs for the pc and out for two external speakers.. but the volume and stuff is old and rusty and I dont want to really risk blowing new speakers on dirty old controls :P |
| 22:59.02 | earomulo | MatBoy: this could do |
| 22:59.12 | streuner | !tell NetNiet about ask |
| 22:59.19 | earomulo | but what exactly is this start-stop-daemon? script or bin? |
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| 23:00.21 | narg | How is X always spawned at -10 nice? I want to do something similar for one of my programs. |
| 23:00.21 | liable | bin |
| 23:00.29 | enouf | mackss: that URL is wrong as far as I can tell - try again |
| 23:00.31 | tziku | hello, how can i set diferit gateways for eth and ath0:1 ? |
| 23:00.34 | earomulo | liable: bin? |
| 23:00.47 | bcr | nvz: get a new amp, the more money you have the better :) |
| 23:00.52 | liable | earomulo: /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 23:00.56 | bcr | you seriously get what you pay for |
| 23:01.02 | earomulo | ah, indeed |
| 23:01.05 | earomulo | *dumb* |
| 23:01.10 | nvz | bcr: I have none.. but the party is Oct 27 so I got some time |
| 23:01.12 | MatBoy | earomulo, I would sugget it because I have seen other strange things with these CD's |
| 23:01.24 | enouf | nvz: yeah ... need to Bridge to mono @ 300watts and 2ohms b/c I broke the banana plug hookups for channel inputs :-( |
| 23:01.28 | earomulo | would it be a big probem if I just copied this file? |
| 23:01.30 | bcr | well you can rent pro audio stuff easily in most cities |
| 23:01.36 | NetNiet | I tried to install Etch on a Intel Blade server after boot from the Netinstall img i came with a screen asking for a Floppy / F1 ... what did i do wrong ? |
| 23:01.39 | earomulo | MatBoy: strange things o.o'' |
| 23:02.00 | NetNiet | i = it |
| 23:02.14 | earomulo | MatBoy: like, turning blue all of a sudden, or growing wings? =) |
| 23:02.17 | bcr | or if you want to build some crazy loud speakers cheap out http://www.edesignaudio.com/ |
| 23:02.23 | bcr | s/cheap/check |
| 23:02.28 | nvz | bcr: yeah I actually havent called my buddy eric yet to see if he still got his stuff.. he used to dj reguarly for cash but he's since been driving rigs.. I could see if he wants to come and lend me some things to the cause :P |
| 23:02.35 | streuner | NetNiet: what kind of installer did you use? |
| 23:02.53 | enouf | nvz: my Marshall head is all tube (1972, 50watter) - well the Power Amp and Pre-amp sections are all tube :-)- but it's a guitar amp :-) |
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| 23:03.26 | MatBoy | earomulo, once there was a bug with syncing disks on a older version that I had where during the setup the installer first waited to all partitions were synched to continue the install. I also had a newer netCD that didn;t had that... and I wanted to install 6 servers 2 by 2. So that was a pain in the ass. I found out that they fixed this in the new realease |
| 23:03.30 | Niklas- | Is there an alternative for make.conf in debian as in gentoo? |
| 23:03.41 | mackss | enouf, the url here works... http://pastebin.com/782346 |
| 23:03.45 | mackss | it just took a while to load :-/ |
| 23:03.51 | earomulo | thank god o.o'' |
| 23:03.51 | zinx | Niklas-: what does make.conf do? |
| 23:03.59 | enouf | nvz: and I wored the cab in parallel so it's really pushing 200watts at 5ohms rather than 50 @ 16ohms as most cabs are :-) |
| 23:04.06 | Niklas- | Set up conpile settigns for the compiler like -O2 and such |
| 23:04.14 | zinx | No. |
| 23:04.28 | zinx | Niklas-: you don't, generally, compile programs to install them in Debian |
| 23:04.42 | earomulo | MatBoy: could u send me your start-stop-daemon? I wanna try here, installing everything again will really make me cry |
| 23:04.44 | Niklas- | I know that, but sometimes it's needed |
| 23:04.49 | earomulo | I wanna sleep :/ |
| 23:04.55 | enouf | mackss: ok - got it - my browser is mush atm - lemme see .. |
| 23:04.57 | zinx | Niklas-: if it's needed, you should bug the maintainer. |
| 23:06.03 | rrk | has anyone used etch rc to install on a software raid 1? |
| 23:06.10 | earomulo | first time on irc using Gaim, have u tried it? |
| 23:06.17 | earomulo | beautifull =) |
| 23:06.30 | NetNiet | streuner: I took the netinst CD i386 testing |
| 23:07.05 | earomulo | .. |
| 23:07.06 | enouf | mackss: dunno - modprobe -l | grep ndis and if nothing then modprobe ndiswrapper.ko maybe ? |
| 23:07.17 | earomulo | NetNiet: I guess the rumors are true |
| 23:07.32 | nvz | bcr: well I called someone and I guess he still got all his stuff I'll find out tomorrow if he's got them near by and can have them ready for the party |
| 23:07.40 | streuner | NetNiet: could be a bug, did you use some stable installer too? |
| 23:07.41 | earomulo | NetNiet: weird things are happening with these netinsts cds |
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| 23:08.33 | NetNiet | I first installed 3.1r2 but i could not find the sas drives |
| 23:08.43 | NetNiet | but it dit boot ok |
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| 23:09.02 | MatBoy | earomulo, installig debian will cost you 30 min |
| 23:09.08 | nvz | bcr: planning more like two months in advance instead of two days should make for a much better party this year. more sound, more fire, might even need an extra port-o-john and a shuttle service cause the damn parking is tight every year as it is |
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| 23:09.27 | enouf | nvs: not that it matters but typo - s/5ohms/4ohms |
| 23:09.30 | NetNiet | I have installed 3.1 on some older boards OK |
| 23:09.31 | earomulo | MatBoy: plus downloading, burning |
| 23:09.43 | nvz | defintaly gonna need more mixed drinks and more than one keg this year.. we ran out of beer real fast last year :P |
| 23:09.46 | MatBoy | downloading will cost you 5 min |
| 23:09.50 | MatBoy | burning 5 |
| 23:09.52 | MatBoy | so 40 min |
| 23:10.04 | earomulo | noo, my net isn't that fast |
| 23:10.05 | MatBoy | and you will have a nice clean install. |
| 23:10.06 | Guerin | MatBoy: you presume much about peoples' internet connections |
| 23:10.07 | streuner | nvz: ever tried 'Aperol' ? ;-) |
| 23:10.08 | MatBoy | ow |
| 23:10.12 | earomulo | hahahahah |
| 23:10.16 | nvz | streuner: never heard of it |
| 23:10.20 | enouf | mackss: did you md5sum check the ISO? |
| 23:10.29 | mackss | iso? |
| 23:10.34 | streuner | nvz: its like martini |
| 23:10.35 | Guerin | my fast intarwebs doesn't come on here until thirsday |
| 23:10.40 | Guerin | thur, even |
| 23:10.48 | mackss | i installed everything with apt |
| 23:10.50 | enouf | mackss: sorry ... you |
| 23:10.55 | enouf | not uyou |
| 23:10.57 | streuner | nvz: usually mixed with orange juice |
| 23:11.01 | enouf | noy you |
| 23:11.20 | enouf | friggin Bicardi and cokes! |
| 23:11.27 | Guerin | 'martini' not being the cocktail that james bond drinks, but rather, white vermouth |
| 23:11.35 | enouf | earomulo: have you md5sum checked the ISO? |
| 23:11.39 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 23:11.43 | mackss | lol |
| 23:12.25 | nvz | streuner: never heard of it.. I might stop by ashbrooke and look around.. the bp has a liquor store but I never seen that.. pretty much just your basic rums, vodkas, tequillas, gins, maybe some chambord, hipnotiq, pucker.. |
| 23:12.25 | streuner | Guerin: do you care that there is white and red ones? ;-) |
| 23:12.37 | earomulo | enouf: :# |
| 23:12.44 | earomulo | totally forgot about it |
| 23:12.52 | Guerin | streuner: you'd care too if you put the wrong one in your drink |
| 23:13.06 | streuner | heh |
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| 23:13.32 | earomulo | the download was so smooth, didn't even think |
| 23:13.46 | nvz | that chambord was decent I tried it once I dont remeber what else she put in that drink but I know there was 7up and chambord and I was feeling tipsy after drinking it |
| 23:13.54 | enouf | needs a shower soon .. for the ensuing visit from one of enouf's baby-dolls :-) |
| 23:13.56 | nvz | its like a raspberry liquor |
| 23:14.07 | enouf | earomulo: happens to the best of us |
| 23:14.09 | streuner | nvz: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperol |
| 23:14.33 | streuner | nvz: the english version has not a picture of it... |
| 23:14.35 | earomulo | but I'll do it all again :~ no beautifull soul wanna send me the start-stop-daemon bin :~ |
| 23:14.44 | earomulo | enouf: indeed |
| 23:15.16 | Guerin | earomulo: no. You can download it off teh intarwebs. I won't get into asking why you don't have the damn thing. |
| 23:15.39 | earomulo | Guerin: the instalation went crazy |
| 23:15.53 | nvz | orange rhubarb sprit :P |
| 23:15.59 | nvz | thats a funny one to say |
| 23:16.06 | streuner | yeah, pretty crazy and expensive too |
| 23:16.32 | Guerin | earomulo: then you want to gewt a known-good installation medium |
| 23:16.44 | streuner | nvz: but the best thing, you have usually no headache next morning ;-) |
| 23:17.12 | nvz | yeah.. well I am expecting a shitload of people as it is without the call I just made which is probably going to cause twice as many.. and we dont charge people.. and we rent a john buy alcohol and food and setup decor, music, fog..etc |
| 23:17.29 | nvz | so I cant really spend a shitload on a small ammount of alcohol :P |
| 23:17.32 | enouf | nvz: need to say 'rutebega' and 'rhubarb' just b/c they're funny words to me - did i spell rutebega correctly ? |
| 23:17.42 | nvz | enouf: no idea |
| 23:17.42 | earomulo | Guerin: actually, now I want to download a known-good install cd *again* --AND-- md5 check it =D |
| 23:17.46 | earomulo | right, enouf? |
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| 23:17.55 | nehoksan | is ubuntu better than debian? |
| 23:18.00 | streuner | haha |
| 23:18.02 | zinx | nehoksan: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:18.05 | MatBoy | Guerin, why ? |
| 23:18.22 | enouf | earomulo: abso-tively :-) |
| 23:18.23 | nehoksan | thx zinx |
| 23:18.34 | earomulo | MatBoy: =) |
| 23:19.07 | earomulo | anyway, It's always nice to experience crazy problems during debian installs |
| 23:19.15 | earomulo | I end up here and have a good time |
| 23:19.25 | enouf | earomulo: you should still be able to run it on the d/l orig ISO if you still have it -- then use a verifier while burning |
| 23:19.29 | nvz | might have to start charging for a shuttle service this year I need to find someone who has a bus |
| 23:19.54 | earomulo | I have it, it's mounted, by the way |
| 23:20.01 | enouf | earomulo: a 10mbps d/l cable makes for no worries either way :-) |
| 23:20.19 | earomulo | I need one of these |
| 23:20.23 | earomulo | *theese |
| 23:20.37 | enouf | earomulo: hitting the bottle agin are we ? |
| 23:20.37 | earomulo | **neeeeeeeeeed |
| 23:20.42 | nvz | might have to get a tent too can only fit so many people inside at a time that whole no two things can occupy the same space and time thing.. |
| 23:20.43 | enouf | again* |
| 23:20.48 | enouf | mwahahahah |
| 23:20.57 | earomulo | =) |
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| 23:21.25 | earomulo | lemme download another ISO file, can't run away |
| 23:21.54 | blondie | <whinge> why are stable releases so far apart? they used to be annual... </whinge> |
| 23:21.55 | Guerin | MatBoy: why why? |
| 23:22.06 | enouf | alright! I need to stop my smiley brigade - cold, in it's tracks ! |
| 23:22.15 | Guerin | blondie: they were never really annual |
| 23:22.19 | MatBoy | Guerin, what was my problem with someone else his connection / |
| 23:22.20 | MatBoy | ? |
| 23:22.36 | enouf | whinge? that's a new one for moi |
| 23:22.43 | Guerin | MatBoy: you just presume everyone is on 100 megabit, which ain't necessarily so |
| 23:22.46 | blondie | Guerin: dpkg says they were |
| 23:23.08 | enouf | I'll typically use whambulance though (note - no smiley!) |
| 23:23.12 | MatBoy | Guerin, I'm on a 6 Mbit and have 800Kb download @ max |
| 23:23.21 | unix_infidel | anyone know if its possible to downclock a desktop p4 chip? |
| 23:23.24 | Guerin | MatBoy: even so. |
| 23:23.35 | blondie | unix_infidel: what for? |
| 23:23.36 | MatBoy | Guerin, damn, ADSL and Cable is common these days |
| 23:23.36 | unix_infidel | via a kernel module without firmware / hardware downclocking with a multiplier? |
| 23:23.42 | MatBoy | I never had it when everyone had it |
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| 23:23.47 | enouf | whambulance = an ambulance necessary to shutup the whiner |
| 23:23.50 | Guerin | unix_infidel: if your motherboard has settings for it, or you can enable speedstep, sure |
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| 23:24.05 | unix_infidel | Guerin: well, do most p4's have that capability. |
| 23:24.12 | unix_infidel | Guerin: no, my motherboard doesnt have the settings. |
| 23:24.32 | Guerin | unix_infidel: all p4s have speedstep, but i don't know how to make it work |
| 23:25.08 | enouf | <--> baby-doll time is approaching - goes off to shower - see ya ppl |
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| 23:26.08 | k-man | how can i recursively change the chmod of files but not directories? |
| 23:26.10 | jelly-home | Guerin: nope, p4s have frequency throttling but not voltage scaling usually associated with speedstep. |
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| 23:26.56 | unix_infidel | jelly-home: i think you mean the otherway around. |
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| 23:27.07 | earomulo | MatBoy: |
| 23:27.12 | zinx | unix_infidel: it wouldn't work the other way around |
| 23:27.12 | earomulo | MatBoy: 429.78K/s |
| 23:27.13 | unix_infidel | from googlnig, i think p4's have voltage scaling but not frequency throttling. |
| 23:27.21 | MatBoy | earomulo, fast enough |
| 23:27.27 | earomulo | indeed |
| 23:27.30 | zinx | too little voltage for frequency == incorrect calculations |
| 23:27.30 | unix_infidel | speedstel is frequency throttling. |
| 23:27.31 | MatBoy | that was my speed too for some weeks ago |
| 23:27.35 | earomulo | but add 2 min u.u |
| 23:27.43 | earomulo | lol |
| 23:27.49 | earomulo | cyah |
| 23:28.00 | jelly-home | unix_infidel: can change freq, can't change voltage accordingly. you can change voltage in bios I think, but not automagically. |
| 23:28.17 | unix_infidel | jelly-home: how can i change freq? |
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| 23:28.56 | jelly-home | unix_infidel: modprobe p4_clockmod, modprobe some of those cpufreq_* modules and play with it. |
| 23:28.59 | startxwhite | i'm running sarge on a P133 and its bios is crap. there is no way to adjust the time with the bios. how can i set the bios time from gnu/linux? BTW, the time now is Sept 3 00.30 in the UK but the system time is Sept 2 14.47 |
| 23:29.19 | r0ver | i'm trying to run firefox and i get: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map, do you know how to solve this problem ? |
| 23:29.33 | Kronoz | can aacc audio files be played on debian? |
| 23:29.38 | Kronoz | aac* |
| 23:30.47 | Guerin | Kronoz: yes, using mplayer or an mp4 player - apt-cvache search mp4 |
| 23:30.58 | Guerin | Kronoz: you might need rarewares or marillat, ask dpkg |
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| 23:31.49 | Kronoz | ok, the aac factiod doesn't say much though |
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| 23:34.36 | jelly-home | unix_infidel: for example, I have a Celeron M (basically a Centrino CPU without "Advanced Speedstep" whatever that may be), so I have to use p4_clockmod. cpufreq_ondemand is also loaded, and I run cpufreqd userspace daemon. There's also cpudyn which does something similar to cpufreqd. |
| 23:35.08 | unix_infidel | jelly-home: thanks, ill check it out. |
| 23:35.17 | unix_infidel | right now i'm trying to find a similar driver / app for windows. |
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| 23:35.54 | jelly-home | I think Windows do it themselves ... at least on laptops. |
| 23:36.20 | unix_infidel | jelly-home: like i said earlier though, i'm a desktop not a laptop. |
| 23:36.26 | unix_infidel | so i have a desktop p4 not a p4-M |
| 23:36.40 | jelly-home | You're a machine? :-) |
| 23:36.49 | unix_infidel | i'm on* |
| 23:36.55 | unix_infidel | and yes, that's what the girl tells me. |
| 23:37.16 | liable | you dont need a daemon if you use the ondemand or conservative governors |
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| 23:39.57 | jelly-home | liable: yeah, it's kind of strange; I'd expect userspace governor to be active. |
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| 23:40.35 | kriel | hey, what's the command to format a part to fat32? |
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| 23:41.32 | jelly-home | kriel: mkdosfs(8) |
| 23:41.54 | kriel | jelly-home: dos. >< i was trying fat. Thank you. |
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| 23:44.31 | RainbowW | okay i'm doing a first-time install on an hp laptop, and after the initial boot i get a segfault at line 156 of /etc/hotplug/pci.agent ... where do i go from here? |
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| 23:46.35 | vitriol | RainbowW: sounds like you need to blacklist something manually |
| 23:46.38 | vitriol | i dunno what tho |
| 23:46.56 | vitriol | i might even be wrong, but it's a start |
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| 23:47.15 | vitriol | anybody know what the most intelligent way is to go about getting the ati drivers on debian etch? |
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| 23:48.35 | RainbowW | vitriol: yeah but ... if not what, how? and where to get a list of what i can tinker with? |
| 23:48.39 | Alexismoy | go on ati wbiste and take drivers ;) |
| 23:49.02 | Alexismoy | wbiste = website ^^ |
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| 23:49.46 | grim | vitriol: apt-get install module-assistant, m-a prepare, m-a a-i fglrx-kernel-src |
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| 23:50.08 | grim | vitriol: thats IFF you're using a stock debian kernel |
| 23:50.28 | vitriol | cool! |
| 23:50.31 | mango | hi, can any one help please. I am running mozilla thunderbird on debian using IMAP protocol. I can receive email to my mail box, but I can only send messages to poeple who have the same domain name or internaly. When a message is sent to an external address say test@hotmail.com this message appears as follows: An error occured while sending mail. The mail server responded:5.7.1 Unable to relay for test@hotmail.com. Please try that your email address is correc |
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| 23:51.20 | unix_infidel | jelly-home: i continue to google and it says that the desktop p4 with the northwood core doesnt have the capacity to do frequency scaling. |
| 23:51.37 | grim | mango: you need to allow relaying for valid ip address, and don't open it up to everyone, that'd be bad |
| 23:51.51 | moshii | unix_infidel: I don't think it does.. |
| 23:51.52 | netcrash | Hello , does anyone here has any idea on how to show the "options" menu in horde/IMP in the debian stable version ? |
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| 23:52.04 | Alexismoy | allow only for your network and if you want with login/pass access |
| 23:52.10 | moshii | unix_infidel: and the mobile ones that do only have 3 steps |
| 23:52.11 | unix_infidel | moshii: i dont think so either. |
| 23:52.16 | vitriol | grim: i don't have fglrx-kernel-src package available |
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| 23:52.21 | unix_infidel | moshii: i'd settle for 2 steps. |
| 23:52.22 | vitriol | i have main contrib non-free all enabled |
| 23:52.35 | grim | vitriol: what version of debian? |
| 23:52.56 | moshii | unix_infidel: I can tell you what modules I use so you can test? |
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| 23:53.08 | unix_infidel | moshii: on your desktop p4? |
| 23:53.22 | grim | vitriol: it's in non-free for sid only... that's probably why you're not seeing it |
| 23:53.23 | moshii | unix_infidel: you should be able to find out what steps are available from somewhere in /sys once you have them loaded |
| 23:53.40 | unix_infidel | moshii: i'm pretty sure i can find the proper modules |
| 23:53.47 | unix_infidel | i'm just trying to figure out if its possible on a desktop |
| 23:53.49 | moshii | unix_infidel: mobile, but of the same generation. you might be lucky ;) |
| 23:54.01 | vitriol | grim: i'm using etch |
| 23:54.03 | unix_infidel | moshii: hah. maybe. |
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| 23:54.13 | moshii | unix_infidel: even if the processor does... doesn |
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| 23:54.22 | moshii | unix_infidel: 't mean the board does :( |
| 23:54.25 | vitriol | ok, i will just use the driver directly from ati |
| 23:54.39 | unix_infidel | moshii: its an intel board so most likely...not. |
| 23:54.59 | Alexismoy | vitriol, there is good howto for it, google ;) |
| 23:55.14 | moshii | unix_infidel: ah, i love those intel desktop boards. such descriptive options in the bios config |
| 23:55.19 | mango | grim: sorry man I did not understand. could you please make it clearer. |
| 23:55.56 | MatBoy | wow, some extra mem is really faster :D |
| 23:55.57 | grim | mango: are you running the mail server yourself or no? |
| 23:56.51 | mango | No, I am just I am only using thunderbird as a client |
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| 23:56.57 | earomulo | anyone plays klotzki here? |
| 23:57.21 | earomulo | klotski* |
| 23:57.32 | grim | mango: are you sure your mail server is correct in the account settings, and have you checked if theres a pop/imap before smtp restriction on the server? |
| 23:57.56 | jelly-home | unix_infidel: oh well. If you really want to throttle the cpu down, you can try doing it via acpi, /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling |
| 23:58.26 | jelly-home | unix_infidel: but I suspect it's the same cpu feature, just using a different path to get to it. |
| 23:58.41 | moshii | jelly-home: I've never managed to get ACPI throttling to work |
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| 23:59.55 | jelly-home | moshii: well, it worked for me on an old P3 notebook and I think it works on the new one but I have better alternatives now so I don't use it. |
