| 00:00.07 | mango | grim: Well, with the same configuration I can receive / send mail normaly when I use microsoft outlook on windows. but on thunbrd with both imap or pop I can only receive emails, and send to the same poeple who have similar domain name but not outside the network |
| 00:00.15 | poonj | hey guys...anyone here get a smbfs share to mount at startup by entering the information /etc/fstab? |
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| 00:01.03 | Aeschylus | Interesting question, poonj. |
| 00:01.19 | liable | poonj: i did once, but i had to change an init script to get networking up before mount (iirc) |
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| 00:01.30 | poonj | liable, okay, thats the problem I'm having |
| 00:01.38 | poonj | liable, what did you have to change in the init script? |
| 00:01.51 | poonj | liable, which init script? |
| 00:01.56 | liable | poonj: i cant remember, it was quite a while ago :/ |
| 00:02.15 | grim | mango: dunno then, try googling or talking to the thunderbird people |
| 00:02.31 | mango | grim: thanks |
| 00:02.46 | liable | poonj: oh, i didnt change the actuall script, I just changed the order of them |
| 00:03.01 | Aeschylus | The limit of my knowledge would be the one which start your connection, and then smb |
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| 00:03.13 | vitriol | there is no easy to find tutorial for installing ati drivers on etch |
| 00:03.16 | vitriol | what a crock! |
| 00:03.21 | Aeschylus | I'm not sure whether you'd have to move any other ones before mount |
| 00:03.23 | poonj | okay.. |
| 00:03.23 | vitriol | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=441507 |
| 00:03.28 | vitriol | ^ best i found |
| 00:03.32 | vitriol | clueless people with no real answer |
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| 00:04.27 | poonj | liable, I don't see anyting in my /etc/rc5.d/ that is responsible for mounting a share |
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| 00:05.00 | nvz | oh well so much for leaving.. the police got my street blocked |
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| 00:05.20 | Xenguy | nvz: what's going on? |
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| 00:05.38 | nvz | there was a WVU game tonight I live like a block from the stadium |
| 00:05.39 | dvs | nvz: What did you do!?! |
| 00:06.05 | nvz | the traffic is nuts I can see all the lights over on the Star City Bridge of traffic backed up |
| 00:06.05 | liable | poonj: its in rcS.d its the mountall script |
| 00:06.09 | poonj | yeah |
| 00:06.10 | poonj | I see it now |
| 00:06.16 | Xenguy | oh, sports |
| 00:06.30 | liable | poonj: try just making networking start before mountall |
| 00:06.49 | liable | poonj: ie, change the start number |
| 00:07.00 | poonj | got it |
| 00:07.15 | poonj | thanks liable |
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| 00:07.28 | marco2391 | <Nietzche> When I was about 13, no one was home so I decided to let my cat lick my penis. She never took it. |
| 00:07.53 | Xenguy | .oO(Now that's an experiment) |
| 00:07.56 | nvz | o.O |
| 00:07.58 | moshii | that's very wrong |
| 00:08.32 | nvz | yeah seriously.. cats tounges feel like sandpaper :P |
| 00:08.32 | streuner_ | marco2391: don't spam us! |
| 00:08.32 | nvz | its not even wet |
| 00:08.32 | marco2391 | sorry |
| 00:08.32 | marco2391 | I didn't realize amsg would work accross all servers |
| 00:08.41 | Aeschylus | :/ |
| 00:08.45 | LostInTheWeb | loool |
| 00:08.47 | nvz | solicit a prostitute or something, ffs |
| 00:09.13 | moshii | or if you have enough spare cash a classy call girl |
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| 00:09.32 | RainbowW | okay i'm doing a first-time install on an hp laptop, and after the initial boot i get a segfault at line 156 of /etc/hotplug/pci.agent ... where do i go from here? |
| 00:09.34 | nvz | hmm I dont see anything classy about that |
| 00:10.07 | amphi | RainbowW: linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org perhaps? |
| 00:10.25 | moshii | nvz: apparently the "ladies of the night" around here are pretty fine :? |
| 00:10.43 | liable | what, when you are 13? |
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| 00:12.05 | mapez | test |
| 00:12.26 | amphi | RainbowW: or look at line 156 of /etc/hotplug/pci.agent ;) |
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| 00:12.53 | nvz | well I might as well walk my ass to the store since traffic is crazy.. or I can go around the back roads and hope to avoid it somehow |
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| 00:13.27 | dbe | When I run "make" i get: Makefile:1: configuration: No such file or directory make: *** No rule to make target `configuration'. Stop. The files I got is: configure CVS gfx Makefile maps music Projects README.html README-SDL.txt README.txt sfx smw_icon.res _src. The README files does not tell me what to do. I run ./conifg and then make but then I got a lot of errors. |
| 00:13.56 | Aeschylus | do you get errors when running config? |
| 00:14.05 | nvz | I'm hungry now. this WVU game got me thinkin.. I could put stickers for the rival visitors on my car and park it at the stadium with a camera then wait for the students to come break all my windows and shit and then sue them for some cash .. heh |
| 00:14.21 | dbe | Aeschylus, ./configure: line 1: sdl-config: command not found ./configure: line 1: sdl-config: command not found |
| 00:14.58 | moshii | dbe: try running ./configure first |
| 00:14.59 | nvz | they get rowdy around here.. they've had riots and flipped cars in the past |
| 00:15.02 | Aeschylus | Um... if the config fails, it means make is definitely going to fail, because the config has detected you are missing a dependency or the build environment isn't sane. |
| 00:15.11 | Aeschylus | In this case, you're missing sdl, probably. |
| 00:15.17 | dbe | moshii, that gave me: ./configure: line 1: sdl-config: command not found ./configure: line 1: sdl-config: command not found |
| 00:15.19 | nvz | the mountaineers are savage beasts |
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| 00:15.38 | moshii | dbe: you need the sdl -dev packages then |
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| 00:15.58 | Aeschylus | yeah, moshii's right. For building things. |
| 00:16.03 | hjubal | bye |
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| 00:16.52 | dbe | moshii, Which package? Is it in non-free repos. |
| 00:17.48 | moshii | dbe: shouldn't be, you need the libsdl -dev bits and maybe some others |
| 00:18.20 | moshii | dbe: have a look in the README or INSTALL that should be in the source and work out what you're going to need |
| 00:18.59 | dbe | moshii, It's Super Mario War, the README files is quite useless. |
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| 00:19.53 | dbe | moshii, I'm installing libsdl-dev right now |
| 00:21.12 | earomulo | hey hey, gone! |
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| 00:23.38 | dbe | moshii, Aeschylus Ok, now I got this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/F5PGYG35.html |
| 00:24.25 | Aeschylus | sdl-mixer is also something you'll be needing. |
| 00:24.30 | Aeschylus | probably the dev version |
| 00:25.37 | dbe | Installing... |
| 00:26.46 | dbe | moshii, Aeschylus, Almost done: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3fHkSB89.html |
| 00:26.48 | marco2391 | what package includes the command "install-mbr" |
| 00:27.18 | Aeschylus | you sure the configure returned no errors? |
| 00:27.30 | dbe | Yes. |
| 00:27.44 | liable | marco2391: mbr i think |
| 00:27.47 | Aeschylus | cause if it didn't, it might mean the code itself is bunked up. |
| 00:28.17 | Aeschylus | I mean, the source keeps returning that bug thing. |
| 00:28.33 | Aeschylus | Is this a dev version? |
| 00:28.39 | Aeschylus | Or something unstable? |
| 00:29.00 | dbe | Aeschylus, I used the CVS from: http://smw.72dpiarmy.com/?q=source |
| 00:29.43 | Aeschylus | did you get the stable, tagged version or the latest? |
| 00:30.13 | dbe | Aeschylus, I ran: cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@metascape.afraid.org:/cvsroot checkout -r smw_1_6_1_0 smw |
| 00:30.46 | Aeschylus | huh. Well then it should be a stable, working version. |
| 00:31.04 | Aeschylus | Either the configure isn't picking up on something you require, or the build is just faulty. |
| 00:31.16 | dbe | Aeschylus, I don't know much about CVS, there is two lines in the URL. |
| 00:31.52 | Aeschylus | the cvs line is fine. |
| 00:32.00 | Aeschylus | I know that |
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| 00:32.25 | siimo | hi is it possible to play 1080p HD movies on debian :\ |
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| 00:33.40 | dbe | Aeschylus, How annoying. |
| 00:33.49 | Aeschylus | Yeh, I know. |
| 00:34.18 | dbe | Aeschylus, Is it worth to remove the directory and run CVS all over again? |
| 00:34.27 | Aeschylus | It'll be the same files. |
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| 00:34.56 | dbe | Aeschylus, I send them a bugreport. |
| 00:35.05 | Aeschylus | that's a good idea |
| 00:35.09 | vitriol | i wish there were new window managers out there |
| 00:35.19 | vitriol | i've used them all..wanna see something new and innovative |
| 00:35.28 | Aeschylus | siimo: what format do you have that movie in? |
| 00:35.30 | dbe | Or do you think I miss some other package(s) Aeschylus? |
| 00:35.43 | Aeschylus | I dunno. |
| 00:35.48 | benjamindees | siimo, do you have a HD DVD drive? |
| 00:35.50 | Aeschylus | Send me the results of |
| 00:35.52 | Aeschylus | your configure |
| 00:35.57 | siimo | Aeschylus: im not sure im asking just in general |
| 00:36.03 | ootput | are any of you experiencing difficulty retrieving from d.s.o? |
| 00:36.15 | ootput | sec.d.o, rather |
| 00:36.18 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, try to get libafterimage-dev package |
| 00:36.28 | Aeschylus | Well, the site doesn't list the dependences (a bit irresponsible), maybe you could check around in the forum if you can't find anything else. |
| 00:36.39 | dbe | Aeschylus, http://rafb.net/paste/results/d8pgRp77.html |
| 00:37.00 | siimo | benjamindees: no |
| 00:37.18 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, I will. |
| 00:38.02 | dbe | Didn't make any diff. |
| 00:38.16 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, and then if you succeed in, add #include "mystring.h" to file MapList.cpp at the beginning |
| 00:38.21 | Aeschylus | cat the file 'configuration' |
| 00:38.53 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, it will normally then know what is the function stricmp |
| 00:39.00 | benjamindees | siimo, is that what you're asking about, HD DVD? |
| 00:39.04 | dbe | Aeschylus, CFLAGS:=$(CFLAGS) -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -I. |
| 00:39.04 | dbe | LDFLAGS:=$(LDFLAGS) -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread -lSDL_net -lSDL_image -lSDL_mixer |
| 00:39.04 | dbe | USER=root |
| 00:39.20 | Aeschylus | Listen to lost in the web, he seems to know a whole lot more about c++ than I do (nothing) |
| 00:39.24 | dbe | Aeschylus, Should I never run CVS as root? |
| 00:39.32 | Aeschylus | You've got the right files. |
| 00:39.36 | Aeschylus | Don't worry about the cvs. |
| 00:39.37 | siimo | benjamindees: im not sure my friend has some HD movie its a huge file dont think it fits on dvd |
| 00:39.47 | Aeschylus | They just don't happen to work as they are. |
| 00:39.51 | siimo | possibly dual layer |
| 00:40.19 | Aeschylus | siimo: what's the file extension? |
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| 00:40.55 | siimo | mkv |
| 00:40.57 | killown | how I install nautilus-media with apt-get? |
| 00:41.19 | siimo | killown: apt-get install <blah> |
| 00:41.26 | killown | nop |
| 00:41.33 | LostInTheWeb | Aeschylus, I know about programming in general... most of time it's just C but by having done Java, C++ is the same. I just see what dbe posts and there is an error related so stricmp. I put it in google which tells me about mystring.h, I then again put mystring*.h in google which tells me about libafterimage-dev package ;-) |
| 00:41.40 | killown | apt-get not return results |
| 00:42.10 | Aeschylus | (lost in the web also has more common sense :p) |
| 00:42.12 | siimo | you prolly want nautilus-cd-burner ? |
| 00:42.24 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Should I add exactly this line: #include "mystring.h or #include <mystring.h> or something else? |
| 00:42.27 | siimo | werent you in ubuntu just now asking how to install gnome 2.8 wtf ? |
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| 00:43.07 | LostInTheWeb | yes dbe, and if the same error again maybe add a "-I<path>" in your compilation |
| 00:43.54 | LostInTheWeb | Aeschylus, the problem is that I am under M$ at that time LOOL |
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| 00:44.14 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Same error. where should I add that? |
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| 00:44.48 | LostInTheWeb | dbe... erf open Makefile file and locate something like CFLAGS=... |
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| 00:46.12 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, http://rafb.net/paste/results/4RtUSh23.html is Makefile |
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| 00:47.44 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, then on line 2 after "include configuration" add CFLAGS+=-I/usr/include/libAfterImage |
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| 00:48.41 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, and then another line LDFLAGS+=-lAfterBase |
| 00:48.54 | jamie | seem to be having some trouble with xorg, i try to startx and i get "error opening security polociy file ... ..." and "could not init font path element ....".. any ideas where to start for fixing? ive already purged and reconfigured xorg and other elements of x.. |
| 00:49.18 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Same error, should we maybe give up =). |
| 00:49.41 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Kzx2jB51.html |
| 00:50.21 | joed | dbe mystring.h is not in your include path |
| 00:50.24 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, not really the same |
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| 00:50.42 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, there something wrong with include path as joed said |
| 00:51.06 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, try in a shell : find /usr/include -name mystring.h |
| 00:51.39 | LostInTheWeb | dbe... |
| 00:51.41 | LostInTheWeb | oups |
| 00:51.59 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, # find /usr/include -name mystring.h |
| 00:51.59 | dbe | /usr/include/libAfterBase/mystring.h |
| 00:52.10 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, you had to put libAfterBase and not libAfterImage in your makefile |
| 00:52.12 | LostInTheWeb | yes |
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| 00:52.52 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, for CFLAGS |
| 00:53.13 | poonj | hey guys, I'm having a weird problem with a computer I just built. The motherboard I bought has 4 SATA connectors, with 2 separate controllers. For some reason, one of the hard drives connected does not always get recognized after I reboot the computer... |
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| 00:53.24 | poonj | could that be a controller problem or a HD problem? |
| 00:53.28 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, http://rafb.net/paste/results/SGYqbF90.html is the latest error |
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| 00:53.46 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, I did what you just told me. |
| 00:54.11 | joed | mystring.h contains errors... |
| 00:54.12 | jamie | poonj: ive had frequent dodgy sata cables, try a new one.. make sure the contact connectors are clean and not corroded |
| 00:54.25 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, it seems you didn't change libAfterImage into libAfterBase |
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| 00:54.47 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, CFLAGS+=-I/usr/include/libAfterBase |
| 00:54.47 | dbe | LDFLAGS+=-lAfterBase |
| 00:55.02 | poonj | jamie, I tried one different cable already.. |
| 00:55.19 | poonj | but what I'll do is use a different hard drive |
| 00:55.25 | poonj | and connect it to the controller |
| 00:55.26 | dbe | joed, What's the error? |
| 00:55.34 | joed | dbe Line 15 |
| 00:55.35 | LostInTheWeb | LDFLAGS had not to be changed but if you changed libAfterImage to libAfterBase we should seed it ion the command line |
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| 00:56.15 | joed | dbe sorry - 17 you start getting errors. |
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| 00:56.26 | LostInTheWeb | g++ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -I. -I/usr/include/libAfterImage -o build/MapList.o -c _src/MapList.cpp should be ... |
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| 00:56.33 | LostInTheWeb | g++ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -I. -I/usr/include/libAfterBase -o build/MapList.o -c _src/MapList.cpp |
| 00:56.51 | Learnin` | should a host address point to 127.0.0.1 for a domain such as 127.0.0.1 www.mydomain.com or the ip dedicated to the server? |
| 00:57.05 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, In which file? |
| 00:57.14 | poonj | another question I have is about Software RAID. I have 3 drives that are connected with the /boot partition on a RAID-1 setup. Is there a way for me to select which hard drive to use when I boot up the computer? |
| 00:57.29 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, the -I/usr/include/libAfterImage comes from Makefile |
| 00:57.38 | LostInTheWeb | have you saved it yet ? |
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| 00:57.58 | jamie | poonj: it should pick the primary master (on ide) or lowest scsi id (if your scsi controller is setup that way) |
| 00:58.21 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, I use: CFLAGS+=-I/usr/include/libAfterBase in that file as you told me too. |
| 00:58.31 | nehoksan | are 30 valiums for 25$ cheap? |
| 00:58.32 | poonj | jamie, at first, when the hard drive hd(2,0) wasn't detected, it wouldn't boot |
| 00:58.39 | poonj | isn't it supposed to boot off of hd(0,0) |
| 00:58.43 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, it then has to be on the command line lol |
| 00:58.44 | ezu5t | i have a question about dpkg - if I do --unpack, how do I know where/specify where it extracts its files to? |
| 00:58.51 | poonj | also, at bootup, is there a way to select which drive I want to use? |
| 00:58.58 | liable | ezu5t: you specify the dir |
| 00:59.11 | poonj | because technically if one drive fails.. |
| 00:59.16 | dbe | nehoksan, Why do you ask? |
| 00:59.18 | poonj | I should be able to still boot am I correct? |
| 00:59.33 | nehoksan | because i want to know that, dbe ;) |
| 00:59.59 | liable | poonj: if you have raid set up, yes |
| 01:00.09 | poonj | liable, I have a RAID setup, yes |
| 01:00.16 | dbe | nehoksan, Ask your doctor or someone in #drug =). No I'm just kidding but channel does not support drugs. |
| 01:00.17 | liable | mirrored? |
| 01:00.21 | poonj | yeah |
| 01:00.27 | poonj | for both the /boot and / partitions |
| 01:00.37 | poonj | but when one of the drives went offline |
| 01:00.42 | nehoksan | k, sorry, dbe :P |
| 01:00.48 | poonj | it complained about hd(2,0) not being available |
| 01:00.51 | poonj | and it wouldn't boot.. |
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| 01:01.47 | poonj | oh |
| 01:01.50 | poonj | I know the problem |
| 01:01.54 | poonj | I have to reconfigure grub |
| 01:02.03 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Big thanks for the help but the problem persist, I try the game when it's stable for my distribution. |
| 01:02.07 | poonj | it uses one drive |
| 01:02.59 | nvz | bah took me like an hour to go two blocks to the dairy mart and get a drink and some chips.. got traffic all over town because of the game and I head up a back road that maybe gets ten cars a day on it and get pulled over. wtf are the cops doing on this road when there is drunk college students all over town and huge traffic jams elsewhere ffs |
| 01:02.59 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, I think there is something that youy didn't do quite well, it has to work, your post does not correspond to what I have said |
| 01:03.01 | ezu5t | liable, i tried dpkg --unpack --root=dpkg-test jedit4.3pre7.deb but i don't see any evidence of files created there. even if I create the directory first |
| 01:03.20 | ezu5t | is it possible to "unzip" a deb file like a zip file? |
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| 01:03.33 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, close your emacs, reopen it, and post your makefile |
| 01:03.54 | liable | ezu5t: dpkg -x foo.deb /dir |
| 01:04.35 | ezu5t | ah, s/unpack/x, thanks liable |
| 01:05.12 | liable | nvz: should have taken a nice stroll and refresh your mind and also help the environment :) |
| 01:05.34 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, I have other games to try tonight =). |
| 01:06.04 | nvz | yeah well its cold and wet out.. |
| 01:06.10 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, lol ok, I me got to sleep. I have to wake up early tomorrow |
| 01:06.11 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Supertux was quite like Super mario brothers 1. |
| 01:06.36 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, sure it was ;-)) |
| 01:06.50 | Dr_wut | what does "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_etch_non-free_binary-i386_Packages |
| 01:06.50 | Dr_wut | " mean aside from the obvious |
| 01:07.22 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, I'm not a kid but I try to figure out which games that suits them. Then I can convince them to migrate from windoz |
| 01:07.53 | nvz | Dr_wut: what would give you any idea there is anything more than the obvious? |
| 01:08.04 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, ok but then try to install more sophisticated games like quake which are ported to nux |
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| 01:08.38 | Dr_wut | nvz nothing |
| 01:08.41 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Yupp. I just want some old classic games/arcades as well. |
| 01:09.00 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Is Q4 free software in some way? |
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| 01:09.13 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, ok then install visualboyadvance :-) |
| 01:09.43 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, http://www.clubic.com/actualite-22804-quake-4-et-serious-sam-2-sous-linux.html |
| 01:10.10 | ezu5t | files like the "control" or the "postinst" or "postrm" are nowhere to be found if I do a dpkg -x something.deb destdir. Are these files hiding somewhere in the .deb file, or are they only used to MAKE the deb file? |
| 01:10.18 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, But there has to be free software games avalible. |
| 01:10.21 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, you can have game motor for free I think, but not game data |
| 01:10.37 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, That's why emulator does not match my criteria most of the time. |
| 01:11.09 | nvz | dbe: beneath-a-steel-sky flight-of-the-amazon-queen two point and click adventure games :P |
| 01:11.23 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, I understand, but you will have to try hard to convince friends then |
| 01:11.23 | nvz | dbe: I think fillets-ng is fun |
| 01:11.39 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, I know. |
| 01:11.43 | ezu5t | or to rephrase the question, am I supposed to find files liiiike "control" and "postinst" inside a deb file somewhere? |
| 01:11.45 | LostInTheWeb | nvz seems to be more informed dbe :-) |
| 01:11.58 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, 5 words, non-free software is my enemy. |
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| 01:12.32 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, I understand but games are generally needed to be paid for some work... |
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| 01:13.17 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, So does other applications. |
| 01:13.28 | joed | dbe - actually not really. |
| 01:13.39 | nvz | dbe: burgerspace, tuxracer, neverball, bzflag, xmille, xscorch, scorch3d |
| 01:13.44 | joed | A game usually is built on a Scope / Idea or hit-idea |
| 01:14.01 | joed | then takes 2-3 years and cost about 10% of a motion picture if low |
| 01:14.09 | dbe | nvz, Thaks |
| 01:14.11 | dbe | thanks* |
| 01:14.22 | joed | so targeting a 'small' platform may not really be the smartest choice? |
| 01:14.27 | nvz | these days games cost way more than movies to make |
| 01:14.47 | joed | nvz - You mean the Dai-Katana ? :) |
| 01:14.56 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, yes many applications, but free applications are those that free developpers work on. It is not the same for games. Game developpers that are being paid are far far from those that are free... |
| 01:15.03 | joed | Some are 'cheap' |
| 01:15.04 | nvz | they have full sound tracks larger than movies, they have actors doing voice overs... |
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| 01:15.21 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Indeed, but I think you understand my philosophy. |
| 01:15.59 | dbe | That's why my email address ends with gnu.org ;) |
| 01:16.00 | joed | dbe most free applications you also actually can 'test' develop and so on on you own laptop/pc, rendering scenes for a first shooter may take you some time. |
| 01:16.05 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, sure that I understand, but I can't tell that you will convince some friends to go to nux to play :-( |
| 01:16.51 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, I at least have some classical games to show them =) |
| 01:16.54 | liable | ezu5t: try dpkg -e |
| 01:17.04 | k-man | how can i set my dvd drive to allow users to press eject even if its mounted/ |
| 01:17.05 | k-man | ? |
| 01:17.16 | joed | dbe - You have zork ! - All anyone ever needed? |
| 01:17.16 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, I was under debian only, I bought a PC to be able to play. A high config... I then install M$ erf |
| 01:17.36 | dbe | joed, I don't know what that is really. |
| 01:18.01 | joed | dbe - One of the first text adventure games, highly entertaining. |
| 01:18.12 | dbe | nvz, fillets-ng is huge =) |
| 01:18.17 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, yes you can show them but I don't think it is what you have to show them to convert them to nux |
| 01:18.30 | nvz | dbe: *shrug* its a cool little puzzle type game with two fish |
| 01:18.39 | dbe | joed, As nethack |
| 01:18.49 | waiting | i like breakout:P |
| 01:19.00 | nvz | lbreakout2 is a good game |
| 01:19.01 | joed | dbe - yes, actually even older than that I think |
| 01:19.05 | dbe | nvz, lol. |
| 01:19.08 | waiting | nvz: indeed :) |
| 01:19.22 | ezu5t | thanks again liable |
| 01:19.59 | dbe | joed, Older then? =) |
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| 01:20.15 | dbe | I'm 54 joed. |
| 01:20.21 | joed | dbe I claim ignorance, born swedish. |
| 01:20.22 | LostInTheWeb | I think we should open a channel to talk of games under nux |
| 01:20.22 | joed | :) |
| 01:20.33 | joed | dbe - I'm 35. |
| 01:20.38 | waiting | LostInTheWeb: why not! |
| 01:20.40 | dbe | joed, I just kidding, I'm actually 24, you wiiin. |
| 01:20.44 | joed | lol |
| 01:20.56 | waiting | LostInTheWeb: but no doom type stuff pls |
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| 01:21.03 | LostInTheWeb | dbe, you afraid me lol I am 25 |
| 01:21.07 | dbe | joed, Are you born in my country? |
| 01:21.12 | waiting | LostInTheWeb: it flattens everything to simple problems like "how do I install nvidia drivers" |
| 01:21.19 | joed | dbe - Pratar du svenska? |
| 01:21.22 | dbe | LostInTheWeb, Bastard! |
| 01:21.33 | LostInTheWeb | dbe looool |
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| 01:21.36 | dbe | Självklart joed, jag är född i Boden (Luleå) |
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| 01:21.44 | waiting | höh? |
| 01:21.45 | joed | Hehe fodd i Stockholm. |
| 01:21.51 | LostInTheWeb | waiting I haven't really understand what you wanted to say |
| 01:21.53 | dbe | joed, Bor du där nu eller? |
| 01:21.57 | LostInTheWeb | understood* |
| 01:22.00 | joed | Flyttade till USA 2001 |
| 01:22.12 | waiting | LostInTheWeb: why are you telling me that? |
| 01:22.29 | LostInTheWeb | waiting, about nvidia |
| 01:22.29 | dbe | joed, Trevligt. Jag har funderat på att sticka. Min dröm är att jobba för FSF för tillfället. |
| 01:22.37 | waiting | föööööd! |
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| 01:22.45 | joed | dbe - Allas drom tror jag. |
| 01:22.55 | LostInTheWeb | and I don't speek german lool |
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| 01:23.09 | Agrajag- | gday, i installed libapache2-mod-perl2 from backports.org, and now my apache2 doesn't start. nothing in the apache logs, so im not sure how to fix this? (i need mod_perl 2, not 1.99 which is in sarge) |
| 01:23.10 | joed | LostInTheWeb, I can do that too? |
| 01:23.20 | dbe | joed, En trevlig sak med USA är att så många gillar svenskan. Jag har en vän i #gnu som lär sig språket av eget intresse =). |
| 01:23.25 | poonj | hey guys |
| 01:23.28 | nvz | whats german got to do with sweedish |
| 01:23.32 | poonj | whats a program I can use to benchmark hd performance/ |
| 01:23.41 | LostInTheWeb | moi je vais parler français sinon |
| 01:23.46 | LostInTheWeb | non mais dis donc |
| 01:23.48 | nvz | other than they both sound funny as hell to me |
| 01:23.51 | LostInTheWeb | ça va aller oui ? |
| 01:24.15 | waiting | reminds me of that bolivian guy who asked me "por que" and I replied "no thanks" |
| 01:24.21 | nvz | I see a 72 letter word with no vowels and just laugh cause I know I cant say it |
| 01:24.26 | LostInTheWeb | waiting lol |
| 01:24.49 | LostInTheWeb | nvz :^D |
| 01:25.18 | bwlang | poonj: bonnie++ |
| 01:25.21 | LostInTheWeb | anticonstitutionnellement ? |
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| 01:25.39 | amphi | poonj: hdparm |
| 01:25.54 | nvz | you think they are stuttering then the make a sound like they were clearing your throat... |
| 01:26.06 | dylan_ | I'm going to be installing Sarge in a minute. What do I need for a desktop system to work smoothly? Note that I'm a Linux newbie. |
| 01:26.16 | waiting | dylan_: twm |
| 01:26.25 | dylan_ | waiting, twm? |
| 01:26.29 | waiting | jep |
| 01:26.31 | nvz | hebrew is good for that too.. sounds like they are about to spit on you |
| 01:26.35 | LostInTheWeb | nvz, I imagine |
| 01:26.52 | waiting | dylan_: it can manage multiple windows. windows users dig that |
| 01:26.54 | LostInTheWeb | I don't know much about hebrew |
| 01:27.07 | dylan_ | waiting, ive been on linux for a while ... im just not an uber guru |
| 01:27.35 | dylan_ | last time i did debian, i couldn't have more than one audio stream at the same time or it quit |
| 01:27.50 | dylan_ | should i stick with 2.4 or get 2.6 or is that arbitrary? |
| 01:28.53 | dylan_ | waiting, so, how should i approach this install? |
| 01:28.53 | LostInTheWeb | dylan_, go to 2.6, unless, you will experience problem f you have recent hardware |
| 01:28.59 | PumpkinPie | hi |
| 01:29.02 | PumpkinPie | my name is |
| 01:29.13 | waiting | dylan_: ohhh I don't know |
| 01:29.13 | PumpkinPie | sicka sicka |
| 01:29.17 | PumpkinPie | slim shady |
| 01:29.18 | waiting | dylan_: you are free now. |
| 01:29.32 | waiting | dylan_: go and be free ;D |
| 01:29.39 | dylan_ | waiting, alright alright |
| 01:29.46 | bwlang | dylan_: you can multiplex sound if you turn on dmix (google that) or it your soundcard supports multiple opens |
| 01:29.53 | PumpkinPie | Every time I put in a new hard drive it breaks. What could be the issue with my computer? |
| 01:30.04 | waiting | dylan_: if I say now "X is best" two people will start attacking my credibility because they have a different opinion |
| 01:30.05 | dylan_ | PumpkinPie, Don't be so violent with the hardware :) |
| 01:30.16 | nvz | dylan_: ay, look ats a big one by crikey i'm gonna approach 'im really slowly now cause he's got a big tempa and I dont want to frighten 'im. |
| 01:30.25 | dylan_ | nvz, lol |
| 01:30.30 | PumpkinPie | dylan_: the computer breaks it not me |
| 01:30.51 | dylan_ | bwlang, is there an "easy" install option or something i can use? |
| 01:31.00 | dylan_ | bwlang, i just want a solid GNU/Linux system that works. |
| 01:31.01 | nvz | one bite from this species and I'm a gonner |
| 01:31.16 | nvz | ... so what I'm gonna to is stick my finger in his mouth |
| 01:31.19 | nvz | heh |
| 01:31.25 | LostInTheWeb | nvz, what is a gonner ? |
| 01:31.30 | dylan_ | nvz, crikey me arm! |
| 01:31.38 | dylan_ | LostInTheWeb, A dead person |
| 01:31.41 | nvz | I dont know I'm not from down under |
| 01:31.57 | LostInTheWeb | ok lool |
| 01:32.50 | nvz | I thought it was funny as hell when cartman was doing the crocodile hunter guy on south park |
| 01:33.15 | LostInTheWeb | nvz, I didn't see that episode erf |
| 01:33.30 | stoned | ever seen joe cartoon do steve irwin |
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| 01:34.01 | nvz | I never heard of Joe Cartton or Steve Irwin |
| 01:34.12 | stoned | steve irwin is the australian guy on tv all the time |
| 01:34.16 | stoned | messing with animals |
| 01:34.33 | stoned | provoking them, and being all hyper enthusiastic about it, almost spazzy |
| 01:34.33 | nvz | the crazy guy that says crikey |
| 01:34.37 | stoned | yup |
| 01:34.39 | stoned | thats him |
| 01:34.49 | nvz | yeah he's a wacko |
| 01:34.56 | stoned | joecartoon.com |
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| 01:35.04 | stoned | check out superfly while youre at it, and stoned flies too |
| 01:35.06 | stoned | hilarious shit |
| 01:35.25 | nvz | oh maybe I did see that before. I just wasnt thinking web |
| 01:35.46 | nvz | I seen that joe cartoon stuff before.. but I think it was flash or something |
| 01:35.50 | stoned | yup |
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| 01:37.18 | LostInTheWeb | I'm getting too drunk and I have to wake up early tomorrow erf |
| 01:37.37 | nvz | I'm not getting drunk and I have to go to work in like an hour |
| 01:37.38 | roger21 | what's th thing about intel chips and xorg on debian, why 3D doesn't work ? |
| 01:37.40 | LostInTheWeb | I think I have to tell you good night guys |
| 01:37.48 | nvz | sucks I dont want to I'd rather go to bed |
| 01:38.05 | LostInTheWeb | nvz waht a pin for you !! |
| 01:38.09 | LostInTheWeb | pain* |
| 01:38.13 | LostInTheWeb | what* |
| 01:38.30 | LostInTheWeb | nvz, on sunday ? |
| 01:38.48 | nvz | yeah well I'm off for two days after this and bonnie is comming in sunday morning :) |
| 01:39.07 | LostInTheWeb | okayy |
| 01:39.21 | LostInTheWeb | :) |
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| 01:40.36 | nvz | she's a bit quiet but I like her :) |
| 01:40.58 | nvz | who needs conversation |
| 01:41.16 | LostInTheWeb | it's better than some that have always to talk... |
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| 01:44.03 | aidan | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1173) |
| 01:44.07 | aidan | can I find out what files? |
| 01:46.40 | dendrite | aidan: Maybe use the --dry-run flag of rsync to see what still needs to be done? |
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| 01:48.15 | liable | aidan: just try again, man rsync for error codes |
| 01:48.31 | aidan | ta |
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| 01:48.58 | burnhamd_ | hey all i screwed up my media player apps |
| 01:49.12 | dendrite | !win burnhamd_ |
| 01:49.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, burnhamd_! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:49.25 | burnhamd_ | heh |
| 01:49.30 | LostInTheWeb | lool |
| 01:49.56 | waiting | :O I want that, too |
| 01:50.02 | waiting | before XMas |
| 01:50.21 | burnhamd_ | i typed in this dpkg-divert --divert /usr/bin/mplayer.real --rename /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 01:50.32 | LostInTheWeb | it takes too place. couldn't it be on mp3 ? |
| 01:50.46 | burnhamd_ | i was following a guide - i know - i was felling prett lazy and didnt even pay attention |
| 01:50.48 | usr13 | exit |
| 01:50.54 | burnhamd_ | is there some way to undo this |
| 01:51.16 | Ben_ | startx is freezing on a crosshatch screen. Can anyone help? I am getting warnings in /var/log/Xorg.0.log "***Mhz exceeds DDC maximum 0MHz" |
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| 01:52.36 | LostInTheWeb | burhamd, maybe dpkg-divert --divert /usr/bin/mplayer --rename /usr/bin/mplayer.real ??? |
| 01:54.46 | Ben_ | I have tried Modelines but they have not helped. |
| 01:55.49 | LostInTheWeb | I have to sleep |
| 01:55.53 | LostInTheWeb | good night all |
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| 01:59.22 | k-man | is there a tool that can burn a data dvd withought having to make an iso first? |
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| 02:00.24 | dendrite | k-man: Yeah, most tools can go directly to DVD, actually. |
| 02:00.35 | k-man | dendrite, care to recommend one to me? |
| 02:00.43 | Ben_ | k-man have you tried K3B? |
| 02:00.47 | k-man | no |
| 02:01.05 | dendrite | k-man: cdrecord? k3b ain't bad either -- I believe that's a front-end for cdrecord, actually... |
| 02:01.13 | k-man | ok |
| 02:01.14 | k-man | thanks |
| 02:01.31 | marco2391 | If I'm running Unstable, is there really a difference between apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:01.40 | epsilon | anyone using horde3 on sarge? I try to setup it, but can't get it run... the horde3/test.php is reporting safe_mode is on, and PEAR could not be detected, but phpinfo() says safe_mode is off and path has pear included... |
| 02:01.57 | dendrite | marco2391: Yes. dist-upgrade can remove packages, for instance. |
| 02:02.06 | epsilon | is there any HOWTO for horde3/imp4 for sarge? |
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| 02:04.10 | burnhamd_ | can anyone help me with my problem stated above |
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| 02:06.15 | dendrite | burnhamd_: Have you tried reading the dpkg-divert man page? |
| 02:06.44 | burnhamd_ | no i havent |
| 02:06.47 | burnhamd_ | where do i find that |
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| 02:07.11 | dendrite | burnhamd_: "man dpkg-divert" in a terminal or console. |
| 02:07.30 | burnhamd_ | k |
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| 02:08.06 | amicojr | any Advise on how to resolve athentication issues with ssh-keygen? |
| 02:08.49 | dendrite | amicojr: First advice is if you're asking questions here, make them specific. :-) |
| 02:09.20 | dendrite | amicojr: Next, note that ssh has a verbose mode, for debugging. |
| 02:09.32 | amicojr | thanks |
| 02:10.12 | burnhamd_ | the remove doesnt work |
| 02:10.22 | burnhamd_ | looks like im reinstalling ubuntu |
| 02:10.36 | dendrite | burnhamd_: Ah. Maybe you should ask in #ubuntu. |
| 02:10.49 | burnhamd_ | its not specific to ubuntu |
| 02:11.02 | burnhamd_ | and this channel is much easier to ask questions in |
| 02:11.09 | dendrite | burnhamd_: How do you know? For all you know, -remove works find in debian... |
| 02:11.13 | amicojr | what im trying to do, is setup 2 boxes where rsh will work without requesting a passowrd, i have made the key, and public key |
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| 02:11.27 | dendrite | amicojr: rsh, or ssh? |
| 02:11.42 | amicojr | shh-keygen |
| 02:11.46 | dendrite | amicojr: rsh has nothing to do with ssh except ancestry. |
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| 02:11.58 | amicojr | hmm |
| 02:12.02 | amicojr | learning |
| 02:12.12 | knowall | my openoffice-1.0 files cannot be opened with 2.0. anyone knows how to handle this? |
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| 02:12.32 | dendrite | amicojr: Try ssh. rsh is less than secure, to say the least. |
| 02:12.32 | aidan | man rsync is cool |
| 02:12.58 | knowall | aidan: in what way? |
| 02:13.16 | aidan | just transferred 11GB to our new server |
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| 02:13.29 | knowall | in what time? |
| 02:13.31 | aidan | it was so neat and painless |
| 02:14.06 | aidan | the servers are in different countries, so it was fairly slow, about 8 hours |
| 02:14.08 | knowall | aidan: have you checked on the server if the stuff you had transferred can be used there? |
| 02:14.13 | amicojr | wow |
| 02:14.18 | amicojr | solved the issue |
| 02:14.29 | Werdna | hi guys |
| 02:14.30 | amicojr | you right ssh worked correct |
| 02:14.31 | aidan | knowall: how do you mean? |
| 02:14.34 | Werdna | ~tell me about dynamicmmap |
| 02:14.39 | amicojr | thanks :p |
| 02:14.49 | Werdna | bah |
| 02:15.04 | knowall | aidan: how do you know that the transfer is successful? |
| 02:15.05 | Werdna | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room -- what's the factoid for that again? |
| 02:15.08 | amicojr | dendrite: thanks!!! your the man.... |
| 02:15.13 | dendrite | amicojr: NP. |
| 02:15.22 | dendrite | Werdna: /msg dpkg dynamicmmap |
| 02:15.30 | aidan | knowall: I rsynced again after it was finished, and it seems happy |
| 02:16.35 | knowall | aidan: have you or other users tried to access the stuff you have transferred ? |
| 02:16.37 | Werdna | erm, that didn't work, dendrite |
| 02:16.56 | aidan | knowall: yes ... I'm accessing it now |
| 02:17.01 | dendrite | Werdna: Dunno. Maybe there is no dynamicmmap factoid? |
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| 02:17.13 | Werdna | no response. |
| 02:17.26 | knowall | good. it is working for you then. |
| 02:17.40 | knowall | my openoffice-1.0 files cannot be opened with 2.0. anyone knows how to handle this? |
| 02:17.42 | dendrite | !dynamicmmap |
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| 02:17.53 | dendrite | Maybe dpkg is out drinking. |
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| 02:19.27 | Capso | Anyone got the logs of this Channel from a couple of days ago? |
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| 02:19.52 | Capso | Actually... 4 days ago, exactly. |
| 02:19.52 | knowall | aidan: have you tried an image copy of a partition with rsync? |
| 02:20.16 | Capso | I mentioned a site in here to enouf and someone else... I need the addy of that site, since now I can't find it. |
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| 02:20.36 | Capso | Nevermind. Found it. |
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| 02:23.47 | k-man | i get this bizzare error with k3b, it says it can't find growisofs, but the file is there, in the path |
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| 02:26.50 | Werdna | hey there |
| 02:27.03 | Werdna | my internet is working, but apt-get gets stuck on 0% [Waiting for headers] |
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| 02:28.21 | Learnin` | do i remove the loops back address restriction by adding dnl infront of DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl in the config? or just commenting it out? in the sendmail.mc |
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| 02:31.36 | dendrite | Werdna: Perhaps the mirror you're pointing at is out having a drink too! |
| 02:32.00 | Werdna | hm |
| 02:32.08 | Werdna | but then I have to editinate my sources.list |
| 02:32.27 | dendrite | Werdna: The factoid is "dynamic mmap" |
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| 02:32.41 | Werdna | ah |
| 02:32.46 | Werdna | well I googled it anyway |
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| 02:33.55 | Werdna | ok fine, you win, changing it to ftp.us.debian.org worked |
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| 02:34.39 | wolloce | created a desktop link to my cdrw. i can mount/unmount the device but not eject the medium from the desktop icon. anyone knows why? |
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| 02:35.53 | old7 | exist it a stable version arts? |
| 02:36.28 | aidan | that's odd |
| 02:36.42 | tuv | wow.. i just survived a deadly trip tonight!! |
| 02:36.59 | tuv | heavy rain on the highway |
| 02:37.09 | aidan | rsynced two folders on different servers, $ du -chs . gives 9.9GB on B, and 11GB on A? |
| 02:37.11 | wolloce | tuv: has it got anything to do with debian? |
| 02:37.16 | old7 | kde arts |
| 02:37.33 | tuv | wolloce, i'm the bit in common here ;) |
| 02:37.47 | wolloce | tuv: wtf does that mean? |
| 02:38.04 | old7 | frenquently occurs "sond server error" |
| 02:38.25 | tuv | wolloce, it means: i use debian && i was on the highway under heavy rain |
| 02:39.06 | liable | hrm, i wonder what the debian overlords would say about including debian-multimedia in a standard installs sources.list, but commented out. I think it would be a nice touch |
| 02:39.12 | wolloce | tuv: don't bullshit. |
| 02:39.44 | tuv | wolloce, if you don't like what you see, ignore it |
| 02:40.13 | wolloce | how to ignore it when i can see it? |
| 02:40.22 | tuv | wolloce, have you got any debian problem? |
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| 02:40.42 | wolloce | waiting for an answer to one. |
| 02:40.43 | tuv | wolloce, if you can't see it you can't ignore it. you ignore what you're exposed to only |
| 02:41.40 | wolloce | tuv: how can i not see it when everyone else can? you should be in private chat about your private matter. |
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| 02:42.15 | tuv | wolloce, i did not ask you not to see it. i asked you to ignore it after you see it. |
| 02:42.44 | wolloce | tuv: better way is not to let me see it. |
| 02:42.45 | tuv | wolloce, do you use gnome? |
| 02:42.52 | wolloce | no |
| 02:43.03 | tuv | wolloce, if it were up to you, yes. but that's not the case |
| 02:43.10 | tuv | wolloce, kde? |
| 02:43.15 | wolloce | yeah |
| 02:43.23 | wolloce | and so? |
| 02:44.23 | tuv | wolloce, sorry. i don't use kde. but doesn't an icon get created when you insert a cd into the drive? |
| 02:45.04 | tuv | wolloce, and so you don't have a choice but to ignore what you don't like |
| 02:45.24 | tuv | piper69, are you there? |
| 02:45.51 | wolloce | tuv: he is having a 69 with you. |
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| 02:46.18 | wolloce | :D |
| 02:46.44 | tuv | wolloce, nice try ;) |
| 02:47.22 | wolloce | tuv: if you don't like it, you can always ignore it, right? :D |
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| 02:47.32 | tuv | wolloce, exactly |
| 02:47.32 | Balei | hi |
| 02:47.53 | tuv | wolloce, you're a fast learner! |
| 02:48.03 | Balei | Offtopic-Question: is there any native english speaker who would like to help me controling some stuff if the grammer is ok? |
| 02:48.23 | wolloce | tuv: nice chatting with you, though nothing usefule come out of it. bye. |
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| 02:50.32 | liable | another sg troll |
| 02:51.53 | Learnin` | I can receive emails from if they are sitting on my server but when i send emails from yahoo, for example, to the same email adress i get "Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1)" any suggestions? I don't receive them if i send them from another email service. |
| 02:52.40 | that_josh | what are the best package(s) for laptop users? |
| 02:53.16 | Learnin` | got it working its ok |
| 02:53.55 | tuv | that_josh, acpi, acpid, laptop-mode-tools, possibly powernowd (although laptop-mode-tools can be sufficient) |
| 02:54.08 | liable | and hibernate package |
| 02:54.25 | tuv | that_josh, ifplugd |
| 02:55.01 | that_josh | tuv, thanks. I saw laptop-mode-tools, but the "laptop" task had stuff that was different and I didn't know what was best |
| 02:55.16 | tuv | that_josh, the "laptop" task never hurts |
| 02:55.55 | tuv | that_josh, think of it as the common denominator for all laptops |
| 02:56.05 | that_josh | oh |
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| 02:57.48 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 02:57.48 | dpkg | well, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 02:59.23 | tuv | hmm.. i just noticed the uswsusp package.. how old is that? |
| 02:59.54 | triplc | have a nice day everyone |
| 03:00.10 | triplc | please help me: i just upgrade from sarge to etch (apt-get dist-upgrade after changing /etc/apt/sources.list), and i would like to tell etch to redetect my display card and screen; |
| 03:00.18 | triplc | please tell me what program/script i should run; have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it's still vesa and it seems that that script does not trying to detect sreen |
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| 03:05.22 | liable | triplc: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 03:07.20 | triplc | ok, let me trye, |
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| 03:07.29 | liable | flash is killing me |
| 03:09.01 | triplc | liable, no fun, still vesa+generic screen, hic |
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| 03:09.32 | deceptacon | hi im pretty new to linux, i have some basic questions: |
| 03:09.33 | triplc | maybe this ASUS motherboard is just like that |
| 03:09.57 | triplc | i bought it 1.5 year ago |
| 03:10.18 | liable | triplc: did it ask you to chose a driver? |
| 03:10.49 | deceptacon | if i install the minimal image on computer A, what packages do i need to apt-get in order to be able to use the computer remotely via computer B |
| 03:10.50 | dbe | I have installed 3dchess. "3dchess" "chess" or any of them from the menu is not avalible. How do I launch it? |
| 03:11.18 | dbe | deceptacon, OpenSSH? |
| 03:11.35 | dbe | deceptacon, Install ssh on the remote CPU as well |
| 03:11.37 | deceptacon | okay, thats what i thought. another question, though: |
| 03:11.39 | liable | dbe: ssh is all you need as long as the network is up |
| 03:11.45 | liable | deceptacon: ^^ |
| 03:12.06 | deceptacon | what if i later want to put some gui on computer A, will i be able to see that gui via ssh on computer B remotely? |
| 03:12.09 | dbe | liable, He just have to configure the network and the firewall |
| 03:12.12 | deceptacon | or do i need something else like vnc? |
| 03:12.18 | dbe | ok minimal. well |
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| 03:12.56 | liable | dbe: you can tunnel x over ssh |
| 03:13.00 | liable | fuck |
| 03:13.01 | dbe | liable, Do you know how I execute 3dchess, the commands that I've listed didn't work and there is no man 3dchess or 3dchess --help |
| 03:13.04 | liable | deceptacon: ^^ |
| 03:13.13 | deceptacon | liable: im not sure how to do that |
| 03:13.15 | liable | dbe: never used it, sorry |
| 03:13.30 | liable | deceptacon: hit google, theres tons of info about it |
| 03:13.53 | deceptacon | x is sort of confusing for me with all the server and client terminology |
| 03:13.55 | dbe | liable, The thing is that sometimes the packages cannot be executed by their names, do you know how to figure it out? |
| 03:15.06 | liable | dbe: dunno, paste your errors to a paster |
| 03:15.26 | dbe | liable, I have no errors, I just don't know how to execute it. |
| 03:15.36 | dbe | liable, + a bunch of other packages. |
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| 03:16.32 | liable | dbe: like what for example? |
| 03:16.54 | liable | dbe: you prolly are just trying to execute a binary that doesnt exist |
| 03:17.10 | dbe | liable, It exist, but I using the wrong command. |
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| 03:17.39 | cj | hey all |
| 03:17.43 | cj | etch compromization report |
| 03:18.03 | cj | http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=83 |
| 03:18.06 | dbe | liable, If you install 3dchess (takes 1 second) |
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| 03:18.17 | dbe | liable, How do you figure out how to execute it |
| 03:19.18 | liable | dbe: read the man page, also /usr/share/doc/*app* |
| 03:19.50 | dbe | true |
| 03:20.03 | dbe | I missed with one directory, tired, thanks liable |
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| 03:22.40 | cj | to whom do I report security breaches? |
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| 03:23.57 | liable | your admin? |
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| 03:27.37 | cj | well... I'd like to provide the image to some debian folks so they can close security holes |
| 03:27.58 | cj | looks like there might be a hole in the bugzilla package |
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| 03:28.54 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have just done apt-get upgrade on my debian etch and somehow amule and firefox (not inside pages) fonts have changed. How can i change it back? |
| 03:29.05 | liable | cj: file a bug against it |
| 03:29.10 | cj | liable: alrighty. thanks. |
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| 03:41.38 | piper69 | tuv u there |
| 03:41.51 | EdLin | !u |
| 03:41.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:42.18 | piper69 | oh my bad you |
| 03:42.38 | EdLin | there should be an entry for "my bad" too |
| 03:42.47 | EdLin | !my bad |
| 03:42.54 | EdLin | phoey |
| 03:42.57 | piper69 | hahahaha there you go a tip for you |
| 03:43.21 | piper69 | anyone has a working mirror for CA please |
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| 03:43.44 | EdLin | piper69: UC Berkeley's works I guess |
| 03:44.20 | piper69 | EdLin i tried berlin early this morning and even that is down |
| 03:44.51 | EdLin | piper69: then try ones outside of CA |
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| 03:44.53 | liable | hrm, ftp.au is borked too |
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| 03:45.14 | liable | a few people have been asking about mirrors today, must be some b0rkage |
| 03:45.38 | piper69 | EdLin i am sure that berline is not in CA lol |
| 03:46.21 | EdLin | piper69: I had assumed that was the name of the machine |
| 03:46.22 | piper69 | liable i can't do anything |
| 03:46.31 | piper69 | EdLin hahahah |
| 03:46.37 | piper69 | :d |
| 03:46.52 | liable | piper69: try ftp.debian.org |
| 03:47.04 | bcr | kernel.org and usc.edu were b0rked a few days ago |
| 03:47.07 | EdLin | !tell piper69 about enter |
| 03:47.55 | EdLin | this isn't the first case of mirror breakage this year. |
| 03:48.02 | piper69 | EdLin are you an english teacher |
| 03:48.20 | EdLin | piper69: I'm not, but dpkg is. |
| 03:48.45 | EdLin | dpkg -i grammer.deb piper69 |
| 03:49.07 | EdLin | I guess someone removed that factoid |
| 03:49.11 | Capso | Yo... kick question... how'd I upgrade BIOS that is a .exe? Boot into MSDOS using Floppy, put exe on CD and run the exe from CD via MSDOS? |
| 03:49.19 | Capso | s/kick question/quick question |
| 03:49.33 | EdLin | Capso: that's funny. :-) |
| 03:49.53 | Capso | Yeah... cause it can be considered "off-topic", so I might even get kicked. ;P |
| 03:50.17 | EdLin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.21 | Capso | ;P |
| 03:50.27 | Capso | Anyways... any ideas about that anyone? |
| 03:50.34 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 03:50.34 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 rabid oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:50.46 | piper69 | liable that one is down too and ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 03:51.20 | liable | piper69: dunno |
| 03:51.40 | piper69 | or i am doing something wrong |
| 03:52.04 | piper69 | liable do you mind and check, see if it's down please? |
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| 03:53.01 | koveka | is there a GUI package for rsync? |
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| 03:54.34 | liable | piper69: well, seeing as ftp.au is down, and you are having problems, i guess theres a bigger problem |
| 03:54.36 | piper69 | liable correct me if i am wrong, can i use backport |
| 03:54.50 | Halitherses | ftp.debian.org works for mw |
| 03:54.56 | Halitherses | me |
| 03:55.26 | usr13 | I'm being asked, "Where are your repositories?" by Debian Configuration. (And not sure how to answer.) It has filled in, "/var/lib/cvs" for me and I don't know wheather to leave it or wipe it out or... ??? |
| 03:55.41 | usr13 | (I am installing KDE) |
| 03:55.49 | usr13 | via apt-get |
| 03:56.13 | usr13 | I am also [obviously] new to debian. |
| 03:56.31 | piper69 | Halitherses can you post for me you sources.list file in flood |
| 03:56.44 | liable | i wish the damn freedesktop wiki was kept up to date so i know what to patch for aiglx |
| 03:57.12 | Halitherses | piper69, ok |
| 03:57.32 | piper69 | Halitherses thank you sir :) |
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| 03:57.43 | usr13 | I see that I have directory /var/lib/cvs/CVSROOT |
| 03:57.51 | liable | usr13: funky, cant see i have heard of that. can you paste what is in /etc/apt/sources.list to a paster? |
| 03:58.06 | cparker | I'm having problems getting sound working on Debian Etch. Would anyone have a little time to help me diagnose the problem? |
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| 03:58.43 | CHodapp | Anyone want to suggest why I no longer have sound in anything with Flash in my 32-bit chroot? I have sound elsewhere. |
| 03:58.57 | koveka | usr13: leave it as it is, it is not critical to the installation. |
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| 04:00.28 | piper69 | Halitherses are you using stable?! |
| 04:00.30 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159469 |
| 04:00.43 | koveka | cparker: what's your problem, exactly? |
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| 04:01.03 | usr13 | ok, I will leave it and go on. |
| 04:01.05 | cparker | it seems like I'm unable to get my soundcard recognized. |
| 04:01.34 | koveka | cparker: what make you say that? |
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| 04:01.45 | cparker | i've tried using alsaconf to add it, but /proc/asound/cards still shows no soundcards. |
| 04:01.55 | usr13 | Are Debian users mostly KDE or Gnome users? |
| 04:02.09 | CHodapp | No. |
| 04:03.05 | koveka | cparker: r u starting a new installation? have you check your kernel config for sound dev? |
| 04:03.11 | cparker | it's an older machine... it has a sb16 onboard audo controller. |
| 04:03.31 | cparker | kernel config??? |
| 04:03.32 | deceptacon | is there a command i can use to figure out my ip address? |
| 04:03.38 | koveka | usr13: i use kde,. |
| 04:04.03 | cparker | deceptacon: sudo ifconfig |
| 04:04.30 | cparker | or /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:04.53 | liable | time to waste more time getting aiglx and compiz to work again.. |
| 04:05.02 | koveka | cparker: yeah, check that the kernel is properly config for your sound dev. |
| 04:05.09 | usr13 | Now I'm being asked if I want "to enable the CVS pserver" ? |
| 04:05.14 | cparker | koveka: How might I do that? |
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| 04:05.50 | koveka | cd to /usr/src. run menuconfig. |
| 04:06.24 | koveka | got to go. bye. |
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| 04:06.32 | cparker | I don't have a menuconfig |
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| 04:08.32 | piper69 | that too didn't work |
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| 04:11.25 | usr13 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:11.40 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159475 |
| 04:13.34 | dendrite | usr13: Further up, where those packages were being handled, may be more useful error messages. What you pasted was just a summary. |
| 04:13.42 | usr13 | So I tried # aptitude install kde and received following errors: |
| 04:14.04 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159479 |
| 04:14.34 | usr13 | ""uSome packages had unmet dependencies." |
| 04:15.04 | usr13 | Is that a problem? Or should I just ignore? |
| 04:15.06 | dendrite | usr13: What flavor of Debian? |
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| 04:15.15 | usr13 | sarge |
| 04:15.38 | dendrite | usr13: pastebin "apt-cache policy" |
| 04:15.55 | stoned | chocolate |
| 04:16.21 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.34 | dendrite | usr13: pastebin "apt-cache policy" |
| 04:17.27 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/index.php ["apt-cache policy"] |
| 04:17.52 | ezu5t | is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html, from 2002, still considered 'current', or is there another howto for making .deb packages that is better to use? |
| 04:18.24 | ezu5t | oh nevermind. i see 2005 at the bottom |
| 04:18.40 | ezu5t | someone should update the (c) at the top |
| 04:19.38 | dendrite | usr13: Maybe try a different mirror? |
| 04:19.51 | dendrite | usr13: Debian mirror, that is... |
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| 04:23.38 | usr13 | how to add or change to different mirror? |
| 04:23.54 | Halitherses | How can I increase the size of the menu font in firefox? I am using etch. |
| 04:23.56 | dendrite | usr13: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update. |
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| 04:24.22 | usr13 | < dendrite> any suggestions on what I should add? |
| 04:24.24 | dendrite | usr13: This might work: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 04:24.33 | usr13 | Tnx |
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| 04:27.34 | Learnin` | how do I get postfix to listen for incoming mail? |
| 04:28.24 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.42 | dendrite | Learnin`: Does 'dpkg-reconfigure postfix' offer you the opportunity? |
| 04:29.55 | dendrite | usr13: You can just add the line. Put it at the top. |
| 04:30.04 | usr13 | Ok, tnx |
| 04:30.14 | dendrite | usr13: In general, it's a good idea to know why lines are in that file... |
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| 04:30.30 | usr13 | and then run apt-get update ? |
| 04:32.04 | dendrite | usr13: Yes, always run apt-get update before apt-get install. Or, at least, it's a good habit. |
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| 04:32.27 | dendrite | usr13: apt-get update is what lets the repositories you list tell your system what is available. |
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| 04:33.31 | piper69 | dendrite are you trying to help usr13 with his mirror? |
| 04:34.12 | dendrite | piper69: Yeah, he pastes this as his policy: http://pastebin.ca/159480 |
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| 04:34.48 | piper69 | dendrite coz i am having the same problem i can't update or install any pkg i would appreciate if you help me as well |
| 04:35.06 | dendrite | piper69: What flavor of debian? |
| 04:35.17 | piper69 | dendrite stable |
| 04:35.34 | dendrite | piper69: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 04:35.46 | usr13 | I suppose the only way to test KDE is to try to run it. |
| 04:35.49 | michael11 | What are some recommendations for a ftp servers? |
| 04:35.54 | usr13 | So, will brb |
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| 04:36.10 | dendrite | michael11: My recommendation is to avoid 'em. :-) |
| 04:36.45 | piper69 | dendrite how can i get that please? |
| 04:37.02 | michael11 | dendrite: Why's that? |
| 04:37.25 | dendrite | piper69: Run apt-cache policy, then paste the output at http://pastebin.ca/ then paste the url it gives you into the channel. |
| 04:37.49 | dendrite | michael11: Will your users be using passwords? |
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| 04:38.07 | michael11 | I have a home server set up and have some files that I would like a friend of mine to browse through and was going to do it through an anonymous ftp and I'm using proftpd but I seem to be having problems with it |
| 04:38.19 | peterS | michael11: we like vsftpd around here |
| 04:39.07 | michael11 | Where is around here? ... Canada? |
| 04:39.10 | piper69 | dendrite http://pastebin.ca/159489 |
| 04:39.16 | peterS | no, we hate canada around here too |
| 04:39.17 | dendrite | michael11: "Around here" is #debian. |
| 04:39.22 | michael11 | lol |
| 04:39.35 | michael11 | I'm just joking ;) |
| 04:39.55 | peterS | as you might have guessed, so am I |
| 04:39.56 | dendrite | Got me. |
| 04:40.34 | piper69 | dendrite did you got my post? |
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| 04:41.28 | usr13 | I have KDE 3.3 isntalled but no applications appear in Kmenu |
| 04:41.35 | usr13 | Is there a way to fix that? |
| 04:41.46 | michael11 | Are there any other suggestions for other ways to allow someone to browse through and download files? |
| 04:42.05 | michael11 | Simple and not requiring any special programs to be downloaded |
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| 04:42.23 | dendrite | piper69: Yeah, looks like some breakage. |
| 04:42.48 | bbelt16ag | which package do i need to install to fix this erro with apache? The requested URL /cgi-bin/redirect.pl was not found on this server... |
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| 04:42.51 | piper69 | dendrite any soulotions yet |
| 04:43.05 | dendrite | michael11: A web server is an option, I suppose... |
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| 04:43.32 | liable | usr13: nothing at all? |
| 04:43.58 | dendrite | piper69: Pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:44.21 | bbelt16ag | i think i need to install some javascript scripts |
| 04:44.21 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 04:44.30 | liable | peterS: dont know if theres mirror borkage atm? seems a few people complaining of it |
| 04:44.45 | peterS | liable: dunno, it does happen often enough |
| 04:44.48 | simonrvn | bbelt16ag: no, just means it isn't there |
| 04:44.49 | usr13 | liable, "nothing at all?" What do you mean>? |
| 04:45.03 | usr13 | oh.. no. no applications. |
| 04:45.13 | bbelt16ag | where can i find it then simonrvn |
| 04:45.19 | usr13 | You are correct, nothing at all. |
| 04:45.25 | peterS | usr13: this sounds like a dumb question but do you have the 'menu' package installed? |
| 04:45.36 | piper69 | dendrite http://pastebin.ca/159496 |
| 04:45.41 | peterS | I don't know if KDE requires that package, but it probably does require it to get debian menus |
| 04:47.26 | dendrite | piper69: That looks sane enough. It may be mirror outtages, in which case an apt-get update later will clear it up. |
| 04:47.49 | piper69 | dendrite when later ? |
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| 04:48.19 | dendrite | piper69: Outages on a Saturday night can be a while, as you might imagine. |
| 04:48.32 | usr13 | Please see: http://pastebin.ca/159498 |
| 04:48.55 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.16 | dendrite | usr13: Did you run 'apt-get -f install' as it suggested? |
| 04:49.34 | usr13 | Yes: Please see: http://pastebin.ca/159498 |
| 04:49.58 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.00 | dendrite | Ah. line 15 |
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| 04:51.01 | peterS | usr13: so that's a bug. I'm not sure of the best way to go about working around it |
| 04:51.03 | karrot-x | hmm |
| 04:51.43 | usr13 | Yea, it's bugging me too :) |
| 04:51.49 | peterS | usr13: is there a new version of kdelibs-data out there? what version do you have installed? "dpkg -l kdelibs-data" - the latest is 4:3.3.2-6.4 |
| 04:52.22 | Balei | is there any native english speaker here? |
| 04:52.40 | Balei | I would like to ask a native english speaking person for looking at some texts I translated |
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| 04:53.11 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 04:53.13 | vostorga | buddies, where is the cyrus sasl package in testing? |
| 04:53.17 | bbelt16ag | it wont let me get it stupid geocities |
| 04:53.21 | peterS | Balei: is this related to debian? |
| 04:53.41 | Balei | peterS: not really, but where should I ask else than in a friendly debian channel? |
| 04:53.51 | bbelt16ag | i need the proper redirect.pl and it wont let me download it with wget, obiously it is using it in the form... but i cant get it. bastards.. |
| 04:54.05 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159501 |
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| 04:54.19 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.20 | peterS | Balei: well, I just ask because if the texts _are_ debian-related, I'd be willing to look at them, but if not, I don't really have time |
| 04:55.05 | Balei | peterS, actually they are not debian related ;-( But I am using debian!! And I wrote them on a debian linux system! |
| 04:55.10 | peterS | usr13: oh, you're using backports.org. I really can't help you in that case. |
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| 04:55.45 | peterS | usr13: it may help to make sure all your kde packages are from backports.org, or none of them are, rather than some mix of debian.org and backports.org. but that's just a guess, that it would make the difference |
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| 04:55.58 | usr13 | I once used backports.org but not now. |
| 04:56.06 | masadd | anyone have a sony vaio here?...how can i take the dvd/cd-rom drive out from the laptop? |
| 04:56.16 | peterS | usr13: well, kdelibs-data has a backports.org version number in it |
| 04:56.18 | dendrite | usr13: In the sense that you have bpo packages, you still are using backports.org... |
| 04:56.33 | peterS | and I'm guessing that's the cause of your problems there |
| 04:57.01 | vostorga | hi buddies |
| 04:57.24 | vostorga | someone can tell me where is the cyrus sasl package in unstable? |
| 04:57.26 | insaneinside | greetings, comrade! |
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| 04:57.30 | insaneinside | :P |
| 04:57.51 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.06 | dendrite | usr13: Backport.org |
| 04:58.09 | peterS | usr13: bpo package == package from backports.org |
| 04:58.20 | dendrite | vostorga: Does "apt-cache search cyrus sasl" help? |
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| 04:58.30 | usr13 | I previously tried to install OpenOffice 2.0.3 |
| 04:58.43 | usr13 | Was told that would need to use backports.org to get it. |
| 04:58.46 | usr13 | So I did. |
| 04:59.10 | peterS | well, it seems you got kdelibs-data from there too |
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| 04:59.14 | usr13 | I later found out that was bad idea, and deleted the packports.org line from sources.list |
| 04:59.17 | vostorga | dendrite, thanks I already did that, but I just find the package, the name is libsasl2 |
| 04:59.27 | peterS | you can tell by the version string "3.5.0-2bpo2" - note the bpo in it |
| 04:59.28 | usr13 | and also ran aptitude |
| 04:59.29 | usr13 | remove '~Abackports' |
| 04:59.54 | usr13 | aptitude remove '~Abackports' |
| 04:59.58 | liable | usr13: use aptitude to downgrade the offending package |
| 04:59.59 | dendrite | vostorga: So if you want to install that package, you run "apt-get install libsasl2" |
| 05:00.06 | usr13 | which is supposed to remove backports stuff. |
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| 05:00.26 | vostorga | dendrite, obviously |
| 05:00.39 | peterS | usr13: wtf, if you know about the aptitude '~A' feature, you're way past the level of knowing what bpo in a version number means |
| 05:00.39 | dendrite | vostorga: I guess I'm not understanding what you're trying to ask. |
| 05:00.51 | usr13 | I apparrently hosed my new Debian system in the process of trying to update OpenOffice 1.1.3 to 2.0.3 |
| 05:01.12 | insaneinside | vostorga: what do you mean by "where"? where the packages files are? |
| 05:01.32 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.33 | dendrite | usr13: You might survey the damage with a command like "dpkg -l | grep bpo " |
| 05:01.36 | vostorga | dendrite, I am just asking the name of the package who contains cyrus sasl, But I found it, the name is libsasl2 |
| 05:01.59 | dendrite | vostorga: So you're all set then. |
| 05:02.10 | peterS | usr13: I just can't figure out if you're being serious. knowing about the aptitude ~A feature but not knowing that bpo means backports.org in a version number - it just doesn't make sense |
| 05:02.32 | vostorga | dendrite, sure! I am just installing a mail server so I need a lot of packages |
| 05:02.38 | vostorga | dendrite, and a lot of help! |
| 05:02.39 | dendrite | peterS: Unless he's following a set of instructions from somewhere... |
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| 05:02.52 | peterS | dendrite: oh, point |
| 05:03.12 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159509 |
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| 05:03.44 | peterS | usr13: dude, like everything on your system is from backports.org |
| 05:03.48 | vostorga | insaneinside, I mean the name of the package that contains cyrus sasl, but I found identified by libsasl2 |
| 05:03.50 | dendrite | usr13: Looks like you did a dist-upgrade against bpo or something, eh? |
| 05:03.57 | vostorga | *found it |
| 05:03.59 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.17 | insaneinside | vostorga: kk. |
| 05:04.33 | vostorga | insaneinside, what does that mean? |
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| 05:04.48 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.53 | insaneinside | vostorga: "okay", pretty much. |
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| 05:05.18 | insaneinside | vostorga: just an acknowledgment statement. |
| 05:05.31 | vostorga | insaneinside, oh I got it! |
| 05:05.49 | usr13 | apt-get said it needed java and so I danced around with a bunch of uninstallable dependencies and ended up updating kde, (apparrently) and so I installed gnome and uninstalled KDE. |
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| 05:05.56 | usr13 | and re-installed it just now. |
| 05:06.11 | usr13 | Gnome works fine, but KDE is not complete. |
| 05:07.02 | dendrite | Ugh. Even apt is bpo. |
| 05:07.06 | peterS | usr13: start by removing the problematic packages: "dpkg --remove kicker kpackage ksvg kdelibs-data" - see how that goes |
| 05:07.06 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159512 |
| 05:07.24 | dendrite | peterS: Would usr13 be a good candidate to move to Etch? |
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| 05:07.53 | peterS | actually it probably won't let you remove kdelibs-data but try removing the others |
| 05:08.26 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159513 |
| 05:08.38 | cparker | On a previous install, I used to be able to type in the hostname of my debian machine into another local machine's web browser and view the debian machine's apache installation. Doing this now isn't working. I have to type in the IP address. Anyone know how to get hostname recognition working again? |
| 05:09.34 | dendrite | cparker: Set up or update your DNS, or hosts file? |
| 05:09.57 | cparker | My router is supposed to take care of DNS. |
| 05:10.11 | peterS | usr13: ok so try 'apt-cache policy kdelibs-data' and then 'apt-get install kdelibs-data/{version-number}' where {version-number} is the version that apt-cache policy says is available from the stable security site |
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| 05:10.17 | dendrite | cparker: Then I'd blame your router, or it's config needs a tweak. |
| 05:10.23 | cparker | I thought there was some sort of a broadcast option to set with Debian somewhere... |
| 05:10.36 | cparker | I remember seeing a prompt during my last installation having to do with WINS servers... |
| 05:10.48 | cparker | related? |
| 05:11.03 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159521 |
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| 05:11.49 | peterS | usr13: right so try 'aptitude install kdelibs-data/4:3.3.2-6.4' (I think aptitude might handle this better than apt-get) |
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| 05:12.47 | usr13 | 4:3.3.2-6.4' for 'kdelibs-data' was not found |
| 05:13.12 | peterS | so that doesn't make sense, apt-cache policy just told you it exists |
| 05:13.26 | usr13 | Sorry, that was apt-get, trying aptitude now |
| 05:13.50 | dendrite | Shouldn't that be kdelibs-data=4:3.3.2-6.4 |
| 05:13.56 | usr13 | Ok, removing lots of stuff. |
| 05:14.01 | peterS | dendrite: does that work? I thought you had to use / there |
| 05:14.02 | dendrite | Guess not. |
| 05:14.20 | insaneinside | anyone know how to use the debian installer to change my kernel package selection without going through the whole base install again? The 2.6 kernel I chose insists that the I/O ports for the main HD are already in use. Had similar problem with the installer -- resolved by using the default (2.4) kernel for installing -- but I forgot about it when I chose the kernel for the system. :\ |
| 05:14.22 | dendrite | peterS: According to the man page, '/' is to select a repository, e.g. stable |
| 05:15.09 | usr13 | I should probably tell you, that I am in a KDE session now. |
| 05:15.10 | dendrite | "< usr13> Ok, removing lots of stuff." ... |
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| 05:15.20 | usr13 | But that removed lots of stuff, yes. |
| 05:15.26 | dendrite | usr13: Heh heh. You won't be for long. ;-) |
| 05:15.37 | usr13 | so I should try, what now??? aptitude install kde? |
| 05:15.40 | peterS | usr13: and did it also install kdelibs-data from stable? |
| 05:15.43 | dendrite | usr13: Even if it works well, odds are a restart of KDE is in order. |
| 05:15.53 | usr13 | No. sitll up and running... :) |
| 05:16.02 | peterS | usr13: yes, try 'aptitude install kde', assuming you do want kde installed |
| 05:17.16 | usr13 | prehttp://pastebin.ca/159522 |
| 05:17.48 | usr13 | Installing lots of stuff. |
| 05:18.17 | peterS | "after unpacking 358MB will be used" - nice. |
| 05:18.45 | usr13 | Yea 3723kB/123MB of archives. |
| 05:18.45 | nehoksan | what did you install? kde?^^ |
| 05:19.02 | usr13 | nehoksan: Yes |
| 05:19.05 | nehoksan | lol :] |
| 05:19.12 | usr13 | aptitude install kde |
| 05:19.14 | nehoksan | fluxbox 4tw :)) |
| 05:19.33 | usr13 | nehoksan: maybe I should try that :)) |
| 05:19.44 | nehoksan | if you like it :) |
| 05:19.47 | bcr | fluxbox > * |
| 05:20.07 | dendrite | usr13: It's true that lots of folks get caught up in the gnome/kde thing, and dont' realize that there are some other really nice WM |
| 05:20.11 | dendrite | 's out there. |
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| 05:20.18 | usr13 | but right now, I'm going to try and use some more of this hard drive that I paid good money for :) |
| 05:20.29 | dendrite | usr13: That's the spirit! =) |
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| 05:20.42 | dendrite | usr13: And bandwidth! Don't forget to use that too!! |
| 05:20.46 | peterS | you know, Debian really hasn't kept up with hard drive technology |
| 05:20.46 | insaneinside | i use openbox, and love it, if you care. have used blackbox and then fluxbox, but ended up with openbox. |
| 05:21.04 | peterS | back in the days when a 200 MB disk was big, Debian used, I dunno, say 20 MB of it, call it 10% |
| 05:21.13 | usr13 | I might install 'em all. Use a different WM for each day of the week! :) |
| 05:21.21 | peterS | nowadays with 250 GB disks, Debian is very hard put to go anywhere near 10% of that |
| 05:21.21 | nehoksan | lol |
| 05:21.29 | insaneinside | usr13: that's what a friend of mine seems to do. |
| 05:21.40 | dendrite | usr13: use 'startx -- :1' to run different ones at the same time! |
| 05:21.45 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.55 | insaneinside | dendrite: uh. run away. |
| 05:21.59 | peterS | we're losing the battle, pretty soon Debian will be an insignificant fraction of your hard drive capacity |
| 05:22.05 | usr13 | 'startx -- :1' ? really? |
| 05:22.16 | dendrite | usr13: Best not done with the same user, actually. |
| 05:22.30 | dendrite | usr13: Especially not the same user and same WM. But handy for different users. |
| 05:22.40 | insaneinside | and not if you've already got an xserver running on :1... |
| 05:22.41 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.46 | insaneinside | usr13: yep |
| 05:22.51 | dendrite | Then :2 ... |
| 05:23.00 | insaneinside | usr13: try |
| 05:23.07 | insaneinside | $ xnest :1 |
| 05:23.19 | peterS | you know, this conversation reminds me that I still have to install that 250GB disk I bought a month ago. it was too hot in here, I didn't want to torture the new disk, but now it's down to 17C outside and it's getting late enough in the year it might stay that way for awhile |
| 05:23.29 | jarango | I need help installing xserver-xorg-core. apt is reporting an error that says "unable to create ./usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: No such file or directory" |
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| 05:23.41 | dendrite | peterS: So you can install KDE? =) |
| 05:24.09 | insaneinside | jarango: mkdir -p /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions |
| 05:24.18 | insaneinside | jarango: (as root) should help... |
| 05:24.30 | peterS | dendrite: heh. no, the thing is, I really don't _need_ any more capacity anyway. so I'll RAID1 this disk with my existing filesystems, and for the rest of the disk capacity ... dunno what I'll use it for exactly. but the 250GB was only $59, so I had to buy it. |
| 05:24.46 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159527 ? |
| 05:24.51 | burhan | hrmm, can anyone tell me what this means 'Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!' ?? |
| 05:24.54 | dendrite | peterS: Sounds like a plan. |
| 05:25.07 | insaneinside | burhan: was just having similar problem... |
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| 05:25.13 | insaneinside | burhan: did you just install? |
| 05:25.29 | jarango | insaneinside: The directory already exists, and it even has libglx.so |
| 05:25.36 | dendrite | usr13: Odds are you can just hit 'Y' for that one, unless you've made changes to KDM config. |
| 05:25.38 | insaneinside | jarango: uh. |
| 05:25.45 | insaneinside | jarango: dunno then. |
| 05:25.56 | peterS | dendrite: I mean, yeah, my 120 GB disk still has plenty of space left. but the RAID1 will be nice, I'll sleep better knowing a disk crash won't cause me to have to rely on my rather inadequate backups |
| 05:26.19 | eps | using rename how do I swap ['s for ('s? I tried rename 's/[/(/' * which doesn't work...and I can't work out how to escape it |
| 05:26.20 | dendrite | peterS: Yeah, I think your idea is about optimal, actually. |
| 05:26.30 | jarango | insaneinside: Thanks. I heard of other people having the same problem but with different "extension" files |
| 05:26.41 | peterS | eps: rename 's/\[/(/g', the [ needs to be escaped |
| 05:26.44 | insaneinside | jarango: what video card you have? nvidia? |
| 05:27.01 | peterS | eps: and the g at the end means replace more than one if more than one exist in the same filename |
| 05:27.06 | jarango | <insaneinside>: yes, nvidia |
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| 05:27.11 | eps | thanks peterS :D |
| 05:27.35 | insaneinside | jarango: I remember something about that, when I upgraded to xorg... I install the NV drivers directly from nVidia... you? |
| 05:27.45 | usr13 | I'm going to restart KDE |
| 05:27.46 | Cristian | i want a debian dist with sata2 support, any ideas??? |
| 05:27.49 | usr13 | brb |
| 05:28.19 | peterS | Cristian: the etch beta 3 installer uses kernel 2.6.16, which is pretty up-to-date w/r/t sata device support |
| 05:28.21 | jarango | <insaneinside>: yes, I installed the drivers from nvidia |
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| 05:28.32 | peterS | Cristian: etch is not released yet but the beta 3 of the installer is not bad |
| 05:29.01 | Cristian | thanks peters! |
| 05:29.56 | insaneinside | jarango: ok, so I've verified that I had the same problem, and I must have solved it. Now I've just got to remember so I can tell you. ;) |
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| 05:30.36 | jarango | <insaneinside>: thanks, I would really apprciate that |
| 05:30.43 | usr13 | Same problem, the Kmenu is empty |
| 05:30.58 | usr13 | has the catagories but no applications listed. |
| 05:31.02 | jarango | insaneinside>: I found this http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/06/msg00198.html |
| 05:31.04 | usr13 | Any way to fix that? |
| 05:31.16 | peterS | usr13: now we're back to my original question - do you have the 'menu' package installed? |
| 05:31.17 | jarango | insaneinside: but no clue as how to fix it |
| 05:32.03 | Cristian | peters i`ll download from this link right? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:32.09 | peterS | Cristian: correct |
| 05:32.23 | Cristian | thanks man |
| 05:32.26 | insaneinside | jarango: I know that when using the external nVidia drivers, package upgrades often overwrite the nVidia-supplied libs. I doubt that it would help, but it wouldn't hurt to reinstall the driver package (make sure you have the latest version: check the website). |
| 05:32.34 | piper69 | when i login with my user acct and try to run irssi i get" ** ERROR**: couldn't create /home/usrname/.irssi directory" can someone help me please |
| 05:33.10 | insaneinside | piper69: what's your user account name? |
| 05:33.20 | insaneinside | piper69: usrname? |
| 05:33.24 | piper69 | insaneinside mccoy |
| 05:33.54 | jarango | <insaneinside>: The only other thing that I tried was removing the nvidia drivers and trying to install xserver-xorg-core, to no avail |
| 05:33.58 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.36 | insaneinside | piper69: try this in a shell: |
| 05:34.46 | insaneinside | piper69: mkdir ~/.irssi |
| 05:34.51 | peterS | usr13: ok that's pretty insane. why does it suddenly decide to remove all those packages, I wonder |
| 05:35.03 | karrot-x | are there any cPanel like programs for debian? |
| 05:35.17 | piper69 | insaneinsidepermission denied |
| 05:35.32 | insaneinside | piper69: try |
| 05:35.48 | insaneinside | piper69: chmod u+w /home/mccoy |
| 05:36.14 | insaneinside | jarango: have you tried the reinstall thing? |
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| 05:36.39 | piper69 | insaneinside No such file or directory |
| 05:36.43 | jarango | <insaneinside>: I am going to try it. I am downloading the latest NVIDIA drivers |
| 05:36.49 | peterS | usr13: it decided you didn't want kde installed but I don't know why it would think that. try to convince it to install both 'kde' and 'menu' |
| 05:37.24 | insaneinside | piper69: if you've got root access, 'su' to root and |
| 05:37.37 | piper69 | i do |
| 05:37.41 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.54 | insaneinside | piper69: mkdir -p /home/mccoy; chown mccoy:mccoy /home/mccoy |
| 05:38.10 | insaneinside | piper69: is this a new installation? |
| 05:38.51 | piper69 | insaneinside no. i was just playing arround and i deleted all the user thinking i can just add a new user |
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| 05:39.12 | usr13 | will restart KDE again |
| 05:39.32 | insaneinside | piper69: eek, so this is just an installation for playing around with linux? |
| 05:39.41 | piper69 | yep |
| 05:39.59 | piper69 | insaneinside i run the cmd what else |
| 05:40.18 | insaneinside | piper69: try irssi again, see what happens. |
| 05:40.25 | nehoksan | everybody was kungfu fighting |
| 05:40.28 | nehoksan | \o/ |
| 05:40.37 | piper69 | insaneinside not as root , rihgt? |
| 05:40.44 | insaneinside | piper69: as mccoy |
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| 05:41.19 | piper69 | insaneinside you are the man! it works , can you please explain to me what was wrong? |
| 05:42.01 | insaneinside | piper69: thanks. :) you deleted your home directories, right? well, you've got to recreate them. |
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| 05:42.36 | mccoy_ | thanks so much to insaneinside |
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| 05:42.42 | mccoy_ | :D |
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| 05:43.05 | insaneinside | mccoy_: you're quite welcome. |
| 05:43.07 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/159542 |
| 05:43.13 | usr13 | Endless loop ^ |
| 05:43.20 | usr13 | :( |
| 05:43.40 | usr13 | I guess it's just hosed |
| 05:43.41 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: can i be greedy and ask you to help me install amule, since apt-get is down |
| 05:43.54 | cat | mccoy_: how can apt be down? |
| 05:43.56 | insaneinside | er, down? |
| 05:44.01 | vostorga | down? |
| 05:44.11 | insaneinside | mccoy_: try editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:44.12 | usr13 | down? |
| 05:44.14 | cat | the mirrors must be down but not, apt you're crazy |
| 05:44.19 | mccoy_ | cat: i mean the mirror |
| 05:44.28 | cat | then try adding others with apt-setup |
| 05:44.34 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: i have been doing this since morning and no luck |
| 05:44.37 | peterS | usr13: here is what I would do. I'd learn the aptitude interactive interface (type 'aptitude') and once you've learned that really well, these problems are usually a lot easier to solve |
| 05:45.04 | cat | apt-get install amule && apt-get install mldonkey-server |
| 05:45.16 | usr13 | usr13 reading man aptitude (again) :) |
| 05:45.24 | peterS | usr13: the aptitude menu option 'Actions / Play minesweeper' is very important |
| 05:45.25 | cat | good boy, |
| 05:45.27 | insaneinside | mccoy_: I'd reccommend doing what cat said: apt-setup. |
| 05:45.32 | cat | about time that a users listen to the directions, |
| 05:45.38 | insaneinside | mccoy_: as root |
| 05:45.48 | peterS | usr13: it lets you do something useful while packages are being downloaded, installed, and removed |
| 05:45.59 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: still not working |
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| 05:46.11 | cat | damn is almost 2:00 and i'm still messing with my laptop |
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| 05:46.21 | usr13 | Thanks everyone for all your help, (and patiencence). :) |
| 05:46.35 | insaneinside | peters: that's what VCs are for. :P |
| 05:46.44 | peterS | insaneinside: VCs? |
| 05:46.55 | peterS | oh, virtual consoles |
| 05:46.55 | nehoksan | peterS, du you chat all the time? ;) |
| 05:46.56 | insaneinside | peterS: virtual consoles |
| 05:47.00 | peterS | nehoksan: pretty much |
| 05:47.05 | usr13 | .... learning lots ...... probably making every mistake a new debian user can make ..... :) |
| 05:47.27 | insaneinside | mccoy_: you could try editing /etc/apt/sources.list manually. |
| 05:48.00 | piper69 | is there is a windows based software that i can use from a windows box to remote connect/control debain "like vnc"? |
| 05:48.36 | insaneinside | piper69: there is vnc for deb. |
| 05:48.38 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: i have been trying this since morning with no luck ? |
| 05:49.26 | insaneinside | mccoy_: could you copy-paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to pastbin and give me a link? That would be mucho helpful. |
| 05:49.27 | piper69 | insaneinside you mean i can install a VNC server in debian and use windows to control the debian |
| 05:49.43 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: sure can |
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| 05:50.09 | insaneinside | piper69: yep. you can run it as a userspace thing. |
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| 05:50.21 | vicmic | hello everybody |
| 05:50.41 | insaneinside | piper69: start an x session, then, um, (i haven't played with vnc in a while, just a moment...) |
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| 05:50.52 | vicmic | i have just installed debian on my laptop but my wireless dosent work |
| 05:51.00 | cat | vicmic: it happends, |
| 05:51.11 | vicmic | and how so i get an irc on debian? im newbie |
| 05:51.15 | insaneinside | vicmic: make/model? |
| 05:51.58 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: http://pastebin.ca/159550 |
| 05:52.18 | cat | vicmic: do lspci |
| 05:52.26 | vicmic | ok first how do i get irc on debian? |
| 05:52.44 | mccoy_ | vicmic: apt-get install irssi |
| 05:52.51 | liable | vicmic: what irc client you want? |
| 05:53.23 | vicmic | which ever |
| 05:53.46 | cat | mccoy_: is irssi-text no such irssi |
| 05:54.11 | liable | cat: is in etch/sid now |
| 05:54.19 | mccoy_ | cat: what do you mean? |
| 05:54.34 | vicmic | ok im installing irssi |
| 05:54.36 | liable | mccoy_: its irssi-text for sarge |
| 05:54.49 | cat | liable: it is? |
| 05:54.54 | vicmic | so now how can i make work my wireless network adapter |
| 05:54.56 | vicmic | ? |
| 05:55.02 | mccoy_ | liable: oh i didn't know which flavor |
| 05:55.02 | liable | cat: yeah |
| 05:55.03 | cat | right saw it, |
| 05:55.04 | cat | ;X |
| 05:55.17 | eps | I'm getting permission denied when I try to enter the following folder drw-r--r-- 5 eps eps 4096 2006-09-03 14:47 music ...I'm eps so why does it hate me :| |
| 05:55.36 | insaneinside | eps: chmod u+x music |
| 05:55.40 | insaneinside | eps: even |
| 05:55.42 | cat | i need to upgrade my laptop but since i'm in sid i don't want to fucked up everything |
| 05:55.45 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: you got my post? |
| 05:55.47 | insaneinside | eps: chmod a+x music |
| 05:55.50 | insaneinside | mccoy_: yeah. |
| 05:56.13 | liable | cat: thats silly reasoning |
| 05:56.13 | eps | thanks insaneinside |
| 05:56.24 | cat | liable: is sid, |
| 05:56.32 | cat | but if anything i will just fixed it, |
| 05:56.39 | liable | cat: yes, if you are scared it will break, dont use sid |
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| 05:56.46 | insaneinside | mccoy_: I run a hybrid stable/testing system, so not quite sure about packages available for stable, just a moment... |
| 05:56.48 | cat | it took me a long time, to get it working thought specially my wireless |
| 05:56.54 | insaneinside | mccoy_: oh, wait |
| 05:56.57 | insaneinside | mccoy_: uh |
| 05:56.59 | cat | i've been using sid 4 years |
| 05:57.15 | liable | cat: and you're still scared of it? |
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| 05:57.30 | cat | not really im just scared to do everything again if something happend on the laptop |
| 05:57.30 | insaneinside | mccoy_: try adding the line |
| 05:58.06 | Gumby | lo all. Ive accidentally removed some config files for a package and so I am trying to remove/reinstall the package but it doesnt seem to create the config files. Ive also tried apt-get remove --purge packagename but that doesnt seem to work ether. can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 05:58.10 | mccoy_ | cat: i will buy, will you fly? |
| 05:58.16 | mccoy_ | :D |
| 05:58.20 | cat | Gumby: any errors? |
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| 05:58.27 | insaneinside | mccoy_: sorry, distracted by my laptop install |
| 05:58.27 | peterS | Gumby: dpkg --purge --force-depends packagename; aptitude install packagename |
| 05:58.29 | insaneinside | mccoy_: uh |
| 05:58.47 | vicmic | it saids than my nick is being used how so i change it? |
| 05:58.53 | cat | i love reading debian Gnu 3.1 bible ;X |
| 05:59.03 | insaneinside | mccoy_: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 05:59.39 | Gumby | cat: no errors other than when I try to start the service. |
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| 05:59.47 | Gumby | peterS: I'll give that a shot thx |
| 05:59.57 | Kurtism | how come after recompiling the kernel... modules like ndiswrapper and DVB drivers cannot be loaded and how do I make them load again? |
| 06:00.10 | liable | --force-confmiss? |
| 06:00.20 | insaneinside | Kurtism: what are the errors you're getting? |
| 06:00.31 | Kurtism | satellite:~# modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 06:00.31 | Kurtism | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 06:00.43 | insaneinside | Kurtism: in kernel source dir |
| 06:00.50 | insaneinside | Kurtism: make modules_install |
| 06:00.52 | liable | Kurtism: you need to recompile for every new kernel |
| 06:00.53 | Kurtism | that kind of error for both my ndiswrapper module and DVB modules |
| 06:00.54 | insaneinside | Kurtism: done that? |
| 06:01.04 | Kurtism | oh crap I didn't do that |
| 06:01.08 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: this is what i got as out put http://pastebin.ca/159557 |
| 06:01.14 | Kurtism | er wait |
| 06:01.21 | Kurtism | these modules are outside the kernel |
| 06:01.30 | Kurtism | they don't come with the kernel I had to build them seperately |
| 06:01.36 | insaneinside | Kurtism: reinstall them, then? |
| 06:01.50 | Kurtism | the V4L project maintains DVB modules and ndiswrapper is its own seperate project |
| 06:01.56 | insaneinside | mccoy_: oh, sorry, already had that line. oops. remove it... |
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| 06:01.58 | vicmic | how do i change my name on irssi |
| 06:02.02 | vicmic | my nickname |
| 06:02.02 | liable | Kurtism: every time you get a new kernel, you get a new /lib/module/foo dir, so you need to compile again those modules |
| 06:02.10 | cat | vicmic: /nick newnick |
| 06:02.11 | liable | vicmic: /nick foo |
| 06:02.16 | Kurtism | oh |
| 06:02.18 | Kurtism | that sucks |
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| 06:02.44 | vickmic | hello |
| 06:02.54 | vickmic | its me vicmic im on my debian box |
| 06:02.56 | insaneinside | mccoy_: so what is the message that shows up now? |
| 06:03.19 | vickmic | ok so now who can help me with my wireless adapter? |
| 06:03.35 | liable | vicmic: we need to know what it is first |
| 06:03.36 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: still the same |
| 06:03.53 | vickmic | the brand? |
| 06:03.55 | insaneinside | mccoy_: as what you pasted? |
| 06:03.59 | mccoy_ | vickmic: you need to tell them what chipset is your wireless card so they can help you |
| 06:04.07 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: yes |
| 06:04.16 | vickmic | ok ill be back on a minute |
| 06:04.28 | insaneinside | mccoy_: did you remove the line I had told you to add? |
| 06:04.37 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: yes |
| 06:04.38 | Luke-Jr | testing==sid? |
| 06:04.46 | liable | Luke-Jr: no |
| 06:04.52 | liable | testing==etch |
| 06:05.01 | cat | sid=== unstable |
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| 06:05.12 | cat | => echo r0x |
| 06:05.22 | vicmic | i will restar the lap so i can see the model of the wireless adapter |
| 06:05.43 | Luke-Jr | liable: debootstrap doesn't recognize etch... |
| 06:05.46 | insaneinside | mccoy_: oh, i see... the line that has 'ftp', replace that with 'http'. |
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| 06:05.51 | mccoy_ | vicmic: lsmod |
| 06:06.27 | insaneinside | so it's "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org stable main" |
| 06:07.13 | insaneinside | mccoy_: and then try again. |
| 06:07.35 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: samething |
| 06:08.01 | insaneinside | mccoy_: exactly? |
| 06:08.07 | Luke-Jr | where can I get source for apt-get? |
| 06:08.19 | insaneinside | Luke-Jr: apt-get source apt-get |
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| 06:08.46 | epsilon | sourcecode or package mirror server? |
| 06:08.58 | liable | Luke-Jr: use testing |
| 06:09.00 | Luke-Jr | insaneinside: I don't have it |
| 06:09.13 | Luke-Jr | epsilon: source code |
| 06:09.15 | insaneinside | Luke-Jr: oh, yeah. never mind me... |
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| 06:09.44 | insmod | c: |
| 06:10.16 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: http://pastebin.ca/159562 |
| 06:12.10 | insaneinside | mccoy_: hm, methinks you want the line to be |
| 06:12.24 | insaneinside | so it's deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 06:12.34 | insaneinside | mccoy_: er, more clearly |
| 06:12.44 | insaneinside | mccoy_: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 06:15.31 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: that works yay , but still can't get amule |
| 06:16.08 | vostorga | http://no-ip.com/ HACKED! |
| 06:16.10 | insaneinside | mccoy_: <cat> apt-get install amule && apt-get install mldonkey-server |
| 06:16.46 | insaneinside | methinks cat was quite right. |
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| 06:17.12 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: E: Couldn't find package amule |
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| 06:18.16 | insaneinside | mccoy_: apt-get update |
| 06:18.40 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: done |
| 06:18.47 | insaneinside | mccoy_: if you can't find it after that, you'll have to do a whole apt-get dist-upgrade... |
| 06:19.01 | insaneinside | mccoy_: probably not a good idea, for you. |
| 06:19.15 | mccoy_ | what is that ? |
| 06:19.29 | joshoua | i have a dir /home/a. under konqueror, it reportedly has 250MB but when i try to burn it to cdrw using k3b, it has 1.3GB. why is it so? |
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| 06:19.31 | insaneinside | upgrades from, say, stable to testing, or testing to unstable |
| 06:20.00 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: can i do apt-get upgrade |
| 06:20.28 | insaneinside | mccoy_: try installing amule with that command again first. |
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| 06:20.55 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: do i include <cat> |
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| 06:21.02 | insaneinside | no |
| 06:21.04 | Adam | Hi. Does trouble in Debian spell trouble in Ubuntu? |
| 06:21.21 | insaneinside | mccoy_: it was cat who said that; i just copy-pasted. |
| 06:21.28 | Adam | i.e. if the Debian project experiences problems, will Ubuntu suffer as well? |
| 06:21.50 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: still |
| 06:22.17 | insaneinside | Adam: uh. man, that's deep. too deep for me. got a package problem? :P |
| 06:22.29 | insaneinside | mccoy_: just |
| 06:22.30 | insaneinside | mccoy_: |
| 06:22.35 | Adam | insaneinside: nothing atm, sorry :) |
| 06:22.35 | insaneinside | mccoy_: apt-get install amule && apt-get install mldonkey-server |
| 06:23.11 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:23.11 | mccoy_ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 06:23.11 | mccoy_ | E: Couldn't find package amule |
| 06:23.43 | epsilon | .oO (S.O.S., horde3 is killing me) |
| 06:24.12 | joshoua | insandinside: will this be too deep for you? i have a dir /home/a. under konqueror, it reportedly has 250MB but when i try to burn it to cdrw using k3b, it has 1.3GB. why is it so? |
| 06:24.22 | epsilon | the word "framework" should be banned from all language on earth |
| 06:24.44 | insaneinside | mccoy_: ergh. you could apt-get dist-upgrade, but it's not exactly guaranteed to not kill your system with a data loss bug. personally never had any problems with it. |
| 06:24.48 | joshoua | epsilon: why? |
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| 06:25.29 | insaneinside | joshoua: what does 'du -chs /home/a' show? |
| 06:25.31 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:25.48 | joshoua | insaneinside: hang on a sec. |
| 06:26.04 | insaneinside | mccoy_: you did apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:26.26 | vicmic | is a marvell one the wireless adapter |
| 06:26.38 | joshoua | insaneinside: it says 1.6G. |
| 06:27.05 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: yes |
| 06:27.43 | insaneinside | joshoua: konqueror is only totalling the the size of files in your home folder, and not subfolders. |
| 06:27.58 | joshoua | ok, thks. |
| 06:28.08 | insaneinside | joshoua: so the real size is 1.6G (1.3G, something). |
| 06:28.17 | joshoua | yeah |
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| 06:29.00 | dongs | okay, so i like just setup a linux machien as a router and im trying to browse the web from my windows xp sp2 workstation and half the websites get connection timeout or just sits there but sometimes loads etc what hte fuck is up with that and how do i fix it? i used iptables to setup 'masquerade', turned on ip forwarding, and xp sp2 workstation gateway is the linux machine. HALP. |
| 06:29.21 | insaneinside | mccoy_: hm, maybe I'm not remembering the full command (darn, I've only been using Deb. for 2 or 3 years, where are the real helpers?) |
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| 06:30.07 | _cerberus_ | I'm having trouble installing alsa on debian (woody) when I run dpkg -i alsa-base I get an error when debain starts alsa saying no snd module exist. attempting to remove and reinstall alsa I now get no errors but alsa doesn't appear to start |
| 06:30.57 | dongs | hellol. |
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| 06:33.18 | insaneinside | ergh, any other helpers here -- and active? I just came for some help myself, and got distracted. now there are too many questions... |
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| 06:33.41 | dongs | okay, so i like just setup a linux machien as a router and im trying to browse the web from my windows xp sp2 workstation and half the websites get connection timeout or just sits there but sometimes loads etc what hte fuck is up with that and how do i fix it? i used iptables to setup 'masquerade', turned on ip forwarding, and xp sp2 workstation gateway is the linux machine. HALP. |
| 06:33.41 | nehoksan | does anyone know a squirt page? |
| 06:33.43 | nehoksan | free |
| 06:33.54 | vapermonkey00 | what do i type to get to the desktop |
| 06:34.26 | insaneinside | mccoy_: I do need to go to sleep eventually, but I think I know what's wrong... |
| 06:34.47 | insaneinside | mccoy_: sources.list editing again |
| 06:34.50 | insaneinside | mccoy_: add |
| 06:34.53 | dongs | okay, so i like just setup a linux machien as a router and im trying to browse the web from my windows xp sp2 workstation and half the websites get connection timeout or just sits there but sometimes loads etc what hte fuck is up with that and how do i fix it? i used iptables to setup 'masquerade', turned on ip forwarding, and xp sp2 workstation gateway is the linux machine. HALP. |
| 06:35.06 | insaneinside | dongs: stop that. |
| 06:35.21 | dongs | insaneinside: well then someone help me. |
| 06:35.33 | insaneinside | dongs: if someone knows what's wrong, they'll answer. otherwise, try again later. |
| 06:36.07 | insaneinside | mccoy_: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 06:36.17 | insaneinside | mccoy_: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 06:36.41 | vicmic | hey i got the model of the wireless adapter |
| 06:36.43 | insaneinside | mccoy_: (remove the non-free if you don't like that bit.) |
| 06:36.46 | vicmic | is atheros mini pci |
| 06:37.00 | vicmic | so thats the one to install on debian |
| 06:37.11 | vapermonkey00 | i just installed debian on my 2nd pc and when it was all done it says ***@debian:~$ what do i type to get to the desktop |
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| 06:37.29 | insaneinside | vicmic: never heard of it, and I'm installing on a laptop for my first time... |
| 06:37.34 | insaneinside | vicmic: so sorry. |
| 06:37.38 | insaneinside | vapermonkey00: xinit |
| 06:37.45 | insaneinside | vapermonkey00: or |
| 06:37.55 | Kvant | vapermonkey00, startx |
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| 06:38.14 | insaneinside | Kvant: yeah, that's it. |
| 06:38.15 | vicmic | so any one else can help me installing a wireless adapter |
| 06:38.28 | vapermonkey00 | bash: startx: not found |
| 06:38.30 | insaneinside | mccoy_: added the lines? |
| 06:38.45 | Kvant | vapermonkey00, did you install desktop stuff? |
| 06:38.49 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: yes, and i am running apt-get update now |
| 06:38.54 | vapermonkey00 | i dont kno |
| 06:38.58 | vapermonkey00 | if it did |
| 06:39.18 | insaneinside | mccoy_: good, try apt-get dist-upgrade again after it's done. |
| 06:39.46 | vapermonkey00 | how do i do that to finish this |
| 06:40.12 | tennin | speaking of desktop stuff, after moving a lot of files around, when I try to run gdm it gives me: "gdm_config_parse: Authdir /var/lib/gdm does not exist. Aborting." |
| 06:40.22 | tennin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.30 | tennin | drwxrwx--T 2 gdm gdm 1024 2006-09-02 02:07 /var/lib/gdm |
| 06:40.41 | Bushmills | vapermonkey00: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 06:40.54 | tennin | and I can still startx as any user and everything else seems to work fine including GNOME stuff |
| 06:41.03 | tennin | any idea what might be causing this? |
| 06:41.11 | Learnin` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:41.36 | insaneinside | tennin: don't use a display manager here... |
| 06:41.45 | Bushmills | Learnin`: don't simply open postfix up for relaying |
| 06:41.51 | vapermonkey00 | how do i get to a root |
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| 06:42.17 | tennin | yeah, I tried asking in #gnome on irc.gnome.org but nobody seems to be there |
| 06:42.22 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: dude just goto sleep , it's giving me errors when i tried to install amule |
| 06:42.28 | Bushmills | Learnin`: because if it does relay stuff from/to everybody, spammers will discover your server quickly |
| 06:42.39 | mccoy_ | insaneinside: no worries and thank you so much for all the help :D |
| 06:43.27 | vapermonkey00 | that will work but i need to be in root |
| 06:43.52 | vapermonkey00 | how do i get into root |
| 06:44.59 | liable | vapermonkey00: su |
| 06:45.04 | liable | !reference |
| 06:45.05 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
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| 06:45.19 | liable | vapermonkey00: ^^ read it, its a great doc for new debian users |
| 06:45.27 | Bushmills | Learnin`: several things you could do: setup something like smtp authentication (is a bit tricky to do that). alternatively, consider to set up a vpn to the server, and tell the server that the vpn net is "mynetworks" |
| 06:45.56 | liable | !be a mail barbie |
| 06:45.57 | dpkg | Aww, mail is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 06:46.04 | liable | dpkg: too right it is |
| 06:46.22 | insaneinside | mccoy_: hey, I could be spacing out right now instead. no problem. |
| 06:46.28 | vapermonkey00 | i am dumb i know that |
| 06:47.04 | vapermonkey00 | i use ubuntu on my nice pc but i have a older one that i am trying debian on |
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| 06:48.10 | amphi | vapermonkey00: wrong way round ;) |
| 06:48.26 | tennin | ah... haha solved the problem |
| 06:48.43 | vapermonkey00 | is debian better |
| 06:48.54 | tennin | somehow "/" belonged to a user other than root |
| 06:49.02 | insaneinside | vapermonkey00: this is a debian channel. what do you think we will say? |
| 06:49.02 | Bushmills | !better |
| 06:49.03 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 06:49.06 | insaneinside | vapermonkey00: :P |
| 06:49.12 | vapermonkey00 | he he |
| 06:49.46 | nehoksan | does anyone know we squirting pages=?? |
| 06:49.54 | vapermonkey00 | i dont know what is better i have only used ubuntu |
| 06:50.19 | liable | vapermonkey00: ease of use, shiny stuff, ubuntu wins |
| 06:50.26 | vostorga | nehoksan, what? |
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| 06:50.35 | vapermonkey00 | shiny |
| 06:50.45 | vapermonkey00 | ? |
| 06:50.57 | nehoksan | vostorga, squirting |
| 06:50.59 | nehoksan | squirt |
| 06:51.01 | nehoksan | :]] |
| 06:51.03 | liable | vapermonkey00: all the newest shits like xgl |
| 06:51.06 | nehoksan | come on you know what i mean |
| 06:51.12 | liable | vapermonkey00: the toys :) |
| 06:51.25 | insaneinside | nehoksan: this is not a pr0n channel... -_- |
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| 06:51.51 | nehoksan | :D |
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| 06:52.16 | vapermonkey00 | maby i didnt do it right |
| 06:52.19 | liable | wtf are you talking about, squirting pages?? |
| 06:52.25 | vostorga | nehoksan, no, I dont |
| 06:52.34 | vapermonkey00 | still no desktop |
| 06:53.03 | liable | vapermonkey00: are you root yet? |
| 06:53.20 | vapermonkey00 | i just restart it |
| 06:53.25 | amphi | !confuse nehoksan |
| 06:53.25 | dpkg | Yes, those are our gerbil tomorrow, nehoksan? shirts of the republic of micronesia with extra herring |
| 06:53.29 | liable | vapermonkey00: are you root yet? |
| 06:53.38 | vapermonkey00 | no i can be tho |
| 06:54.03 | liable | vapermonkey00: get to root, then type 'tasksel' and pick desktop |
| 06:55.22 | vapermonkey00 | ok working |
| 06:55.59 | piper69 | what is the diffrent between all the debian distro e.g stable and testing and unstable and searge please? |
| 06:56.47 | amphi | piper69: sarge _is_ the current stable |
| 06:57.01 | vostorga | stable=full tested, testing=some day will be stable, unstable=living in the edge |
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| 06:59.23 | piper69 | vostorga is there is a doc i can read to understand, i was reading something before that was explaing how is debian conected to the movie Toy Story , but i lost the link |
| 07:00.01 | liable | piper69: sarge= stable and works. testing = next stable, still in dev, breaks occasionaly or often or not depending where in the release cycle it is, newer software, unstable = new software, untested packaging, may break horribly or not |
| 07:00.51 | liable | piper69: using testing or unstable depends on how good your dpkg/apt foo is |
| 07:01.49 | piper69 | liable foo? |
| 07:02.08 | liable | piper69: if you dont have a good understanding on how dpkg/apt works, you can be left with a terribly broken system (hasnt happened for a while) and you also need to learn to be proficient on the cli for when x breaks (reasonably often) |
| 07:02.10 | liable | !foo |
| 07:02.11 | dpkg | i guess foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
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| 07:03.31 | liable | !tell piper69 about sid faq |
| 07:05.27 | liable | piper69: moral of the story.. use etch or sid if you can afford to spend time working out for yourself how to fix occasionaly broken packages |
| 07:05.53 | liable | piper69: and *not* whining here how foo is broken in sid/etch |
| 07:06.38 | \amethyst | If you use sid, you will eventually either learn debian pretty well, or have a very broken system :) |
| 07:06.46 | liable | indeed |
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| 07:08.49 | vapermonkey00 | this is taking for ever |
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| 07:11.44 | liable | vapermonkey00: its a lot of packages, be patient |
| 07:12.02 | vapermonkey00 | i am i am playing dopewars |
| 07:12.39 | \amethyst | standard mode or classic? |
| 07:12.58 | \amethyst | err, `antique' not classic |
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| 07:20.13 | nowec | Is there a security guide for Debian? I want to know what I can remove, like which default created users I don't need in my system |
| 07:22.20 | Kvant | maybe this'll help: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 07:22.38 | epsilon | noob-saibot: http://www.de.debian.org/doc/, securing debian howto |
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| 07:24.21 | nowec | Kvant, thanks a lot! (that was almost so easy that I should have found it on my own, sorry) |
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| 07:29.03 | Weedy_laptop | is anyone around to help with installing apache, php5, and mysql5? |
| 07:29.28 | Weedy_laptop | theres some dependency stuff that im not used to, never used debian |
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| 07:36.23 | Halitherses | I just did an apt-get update now my fonts are really small in firefox and xchat. How can I increase the fontsize. I am using etch with KDE. |
| 07:37.02 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, try to set up font size in KDE Control Center |
| 07:37.26 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, I'm using Etch + KDE 3.5.4 and I have 12px sized fonts :) |
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| 07:37.47 | nowec | How do I remove a package that I just installed through "apt-get install gpw"? |
| 07:37.57 | streuner_ | man apt-get |
| 07:37.58 | Halitherses | KoluCCi, I have tried that with no joy. It only seems to effect KDE applications. |
| 07:38.03 | nowec | streuner_: thanks |
| 07:38.25 | nowec | streuner_: so all the package management goes through apt-get? |
| 07:38.36 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, use applications settings instead :) |
| 07:38.50 | Halitherses | KoluCCi, I want 12 pt and 12 px! |
| 07:39.08 | Halitherses | My eys are getting old. |
| 07:39.16 | Halitherses | eyes |
| 07:39.20 | streuner_ | nowec: apt-get manage to get packages, dpkg manipulate them and install it in the system |
| 07:39.48 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, in X-Chat: Settings -> Preferences -> Text Box Appearence |
| 07:39.49 | nowec | streuner_: ok, thanks a lot! |
| 07:39.50 | anapivirtua | Ola all |
| 07:40.05 | KoluCCi | In Firefox like this, I think |
| 07:40.25 | Halitherses | KoluCCi, That only changes the font in the chat window. |
| 07:40.47 | Halitherses | I want to change the font of the buttons and the menu. |
| 07:41.38 | streuner_ | nowec: there are serveral frontends for out there, for example "kpackage" if you running KDE, it makes it easier for the very first time using debian's package system... |
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| 07:42.32 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, may be there are some Xorg configuration? Let me see the man :) |
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| 07:42.41 | streuner_ | nowec: there is synaptic, aptitude and many others as well |
| 07:42.51 | nowec | streuner_: ok |
| 07:43.18 | streuner_ | nowec: and 'dselect' which is prolly the most powerful tool, but not userfriendly |
| 07:43.23 | Halitherses | I had this problem once before and someone told me to use gnome-settings-daemon but that caused other issues. |
| 07:44.09 | Halitherses | I assume this font issue will be fixed by the time etch becomes stable? |
| 07:44.14 | epsilon | could anyone help me with horde3, what have I to choose in "Horde Authentification" tab as username and auth method? Tried /etc/pass and IMAP auth, both are not working |
| 07:44.19 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, Ahhh! I remember! It's GTK settings! Wait for a bit - I'll found the link! |
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| 07:45.39 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, /etc/gtk/gtkrc.<your_encoding_here> |
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| 07:45.53 | KoluCCi | There you can set up font size for GTK applications properly! |
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| 07:46.45 | Halitherses | KoluCCi, thanks |
| 07:46.52 | cahoot | Halitherses: tried something like: gtk-font-name="Bitstream Vera Sans 12" in ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine? |
| 07:47.16 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, np. It's my Slackware russification experience :) |
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| 07:50.01 | Halitherses | How can I tell which character set I am using? |
| 07:50.37 | nvz | heh its almost 4am and I got police and sheriff out front of my house arguing with a drunk driver about what a straight line is |
| 07:51.25 | streuner_ | good |
| 07:51.47 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, for me - it's: fontset = "-cronyx-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r, |
| 07:51.47 | KoluCCi | -cronyx-courier-medium-r-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r, |
| 07:51.47 | KoluCCi | -cronyx-fixed-medium-r-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r, |
| 07:51.48 | KoluCCi | -cronyx-times-medium-r-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-koi8-r" |
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| 07:51.51 | streuner_ | drinking and driving is really bad |
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| 07:51.59 | KoluCCi | sorry :) |
| 07:52.02 | nvz | yeah |
| 07:52.12 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 07:52.17 | nvz | hheh |
| 07:52.39 | nvz | nothing like standing in the yard smoking a joint watching the police |
| 07:53.11 | Halitherses | I will post mine in #flood |
| 07:53.45 | liable | hrm, so many pot smokers in here.. |
| 07:54.05 | liable | not saying its a bad thing, just find it quite surprising |
| 07:54.09 | nvz | what the hell else you want me to do with it chew it? |
| 07:54.12 | nvz | heh |
| 07:54.17 | KoluCCi | nvz, few days ago, I've seen white square on the ground near the tree, with an inscription: drunk driver parking |
| 07:54.21 | nowec | Which is the easiest way to list the groups of user "Dummy"? |
| 07:54.27 | nvz | KoluCCi: heh |
| 07:54.50 | streuner_ | nowec: groups |
| 07:55.00 | nvz | I think the user dummy is outside my house right now |
| 07:55.12 | streuner_ | nowec: man groups |
| 07:55.13 | liable | the driver dummy |
| 07:55.20 | streuner_ | haha |
| 07:55.25 | nowec | hehehe |
| 07:56.00 | KoluCCi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.06 | nowec | streuner_: He is in tons of groups.. like dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev.. is that really necessary? |
| 07:56.18 | nowec | and a group with his own name. lol |
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| 07:57.13 | nvz | nowec: lets you give different permissions to different users and its not hurting anything having groups |
| 07:57.16 | KoluCCi | Does anybody knows are there plugin for Xchat to show what is playing now in amarok? |
| 07:57.31 | nvz | If I did I would say no |
| 07:57.36 | streuner_ | KoluCCi: visit xchat.org |
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| 07:58.03 | streuner_ | KoluCCi: apt-cache search xchat plugin would help too |
| 07:58.08 | nowec | nvz: I just want my ssh-users to have as little permissions as possible. they'll be used for using subversion through ssh |
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| 07:59.01 | KoluCCi | streuner_, thanx. searching xchat.org right now. But I thought, that anybody could now exact plugin :) |
| 07:59.20 | nvz | I cant use amarok its too touchy |
| 07:59.36 | nvz | just about anywhere on the screen you click it stops or changes the song |
| 07:59.54 | nvz | too hard for drunk people.. and I am always drunk when I dj |
| 08:00.18 | KoluCCi | nvz, I don't have this problem :_ |
| 08:00.39 | nvz | it should be harder to start a new song |
| 08:00.46 | nvz | double click or something |
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| 08:01.02 | nvz | you cant be dragging and handling shit and not have an accidental single click somewhere |
| 08:01.17 | streuner_ | dpkg, no be lazy barbie is <reply> Following links is HARD! Reading is HARD! Let's go SHOPPING! |
| 08:01.17 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
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| 08:01.47 | KoluCCi | nvz, lol. I'm using amarok like a local radio :) Just add ALL my music staff in the playlist, push play button and nothing do else ;) |
| 08:02.43 | nvz | I will probably keep using cplay its simple |
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| 08:05.17 | KoluCCi | mmmmm |
| 08:05.22 | KoluCCi | coffee :)) yum-yum |
| 08:06.21 | nehoksan | instant coffee! |
| 08:06.31 | nehoksan | + wodka! |
| 08:06.36 | nehoksan | ^^ |
| 08:06.47 | nowec | hmm, I just configured sshd to only let people from group "ssh" in, but I can still log in with a user that's just in "users". do I need to restart sshd? |
| 08:07.18 | Segers_J | I have free space on /home, I want free space on /opt I don't want to re-size any partitions if there is another way. What should I be googling for? |
| 08:07.52 | Segers_J | or what man page should I read |
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| 08:10.25 | KoluCCi | Segers_J, try to umount /opt fs, or mount in the folder like /home/opt |
| 08:10.35 | KoluCCi | you can use quotas with this, I think |
| 08:10.37 | KoluCCi | man mount |
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| 08:10.49 | KoluCCi | and the chapter with newdir olddir and other :) |
| 08:11.16 | Segers_J | KoluCCi: thanks, RTFMing :) |
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| 08:18.35 | Halitherses | KoluCCi, I tried changing all of those files that looked like the might work, but no effect :( |
| 08:18.56 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, have you restarted X's? |
| 08:19.11 | Halitherses | no |
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| 08:20.31 | Halitherses | Still small fonts |
| 08:20.52 | ttyfscker | does anyone in here have a dell inspiron 6000 |
| 08:20.53 | Halitherses | How can I determin which gtkrc file I am using? |
| 08:20.55 | ttyfscker | with a dvd burner |
| 08:21.18 | ttyfscker | im having some issues with burning dvd iso files.. but i can burn dvds that arent using growisofs |
| 08:21.26 | ttyfscker | i get I/O errors in k3b |
| 08:21.32 | ttyfscker | cds burn fine as well |
| 08:21.38 | ttyfscker | http://ttyfscker.pastebin.ca/159619 |
| 08:21.40 | ttyfscker | there is the pastebin |
| 08:22.00 | Halitherses | i am a native english speaker so i am not using $LANG. |
| 08:22.13 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, it's should be gtkrc.<language> |
| 08:22.16 | KoluCCi | let me see |
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| 08:24.02 | cahoot | Halitherses: look at ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 08:26.52 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, sorry, habe no ideas... :/ |
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| 08:28.00 | Halitherses | Nevermind I will just move my monitor closer. It seems etch is just for people with monitors >= 19"! |
| 08:28.07 | nvz | tow truck is here someones car is on the way to police impound |
| 08:28.24 | KoluCCi | Halitherses, 1280x1024 with 17" LCD looks fine :) |
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| 08:29.53 | nvz | these damn students oughta know better than to be drunk driving in star city, and if they dont, they should have asked someone. I got pulled over tonight just for going two blocks to the dairy mart and forgetting to turn my lights on when I left the dairy mart |
| 08:30.07 | nvz | Star City police are rough |
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| 08:30.12 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:30.18 | Gnea | nvz: that's what you get ;) |
| 08:30.21 | Gnea | dude |
| 08:30.44 | fra | hi, I install xgl server from my debian, but startx and "startxgl" go only root |
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| 08:30.44 | Gnea | what's up with that matt guy talking all of that smack on us? |
| 08:30.56 | nvz | bad thing is I just got the car dropped off last night and I dont have the insurance and registration stuff in there |
| 08:31.00 | fra | from other user, run an error: why? |
| 08:31.11 | Gnea | nvz: ow |
| 08:31.13 | nvz | he probably could have wrote me a ticket |
| 08:31.29 | Gnea | fra: not sure, haven't setup xgl yet |
| 08:31.39 | Gnea | nvz: let you off on good behavior? |
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| 08:31.58 | nvz | luckily it was game night in WVU and they got better things to do |
| 08:32.08 | nvz | like impound drunk students cars |
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| 08:32.11 | fra | :( |
| 08:32.23 | Gnea | fra: did you follow the xgl howto? |
| 08:32.31 | fra | yes |
| 08:32.48 | fra | www.debianizzati.it section X |
| 08:32.49 | Gnea | !xgl-howto |
| 08:32.50 | dpkg | [xgl-howto] xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 08:32.56 | Gnea | fra: what about that one? |
| 08:32.58 | nvz | judging by the attitudes at the store I would guess WVU lost their first home game |
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| 08:33.56 | fra | Gnea: startx not run with my user... |
| 08:34.08 | fra | with root is ok :( |
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| 08:34.17 | randomnick | Let me say this, first. Grub is into misygonistic carnal acts with equine hybrids. I just erased a bunch of bitching. If you're running a SCSI and IDE system, and grub starts counting from hd0, *and* apparently insists on having IDE come first in line, regardless of your bios settings, ...<deep breath> Does grub see IDE adn SCSI as a continuing sequence of drives, i.e. if /dev/hda is hd0, is /dev/sda hd1? |
| 08:34.19 | Gnea | fra: oic, the page isn't there... |
| 08:34.31 | Gnea | fra: i haven't setup xgl yet... dunno why it's not working |
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| 08:35.01 | secher | sorry, hadn't noticed the uber lame randomnick. |
| 08:35.17 | fra | fra@debian:~$ startx |
| 08:35.18 | fra | xauth: creating new authority file /home/fra/.serverauth.5371 |
| 08:35.18 | fra | Fatal server error: |
| 08:35.18 | fra | Could not create server lock file: /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 08:35.18 | fra | giving up. |
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| 08:35.52 | Gnea | secher: i have no idea. i don't use both, only one or the other at one time (i turn off all IDE controllers in the bios if i'm running scsi on a system) |
| 08:36.10 | fra | Gnea: see #flood |
| 08:37.24 | secher | Gnea: Why? is it just too flaky with both on? |
| 08:37.26 | nvz | yeah if you have scsi devices why would you bother with ide |
| 08:37.38 | nvz | scsi is faster |
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| 08:38.19 | Gnea | secher: SCSI is much more stable than IDE will ever be, no matter how much they attempt to publicize otherwise. |
| 08:38.20 | nvz | when it comes to Parallel data transfers more wires is better |
| 08:38.44 | Duelist | I'd like to know what idiot decided to move tor into unstable without leaving behind a version in testing |
| 08:38.54 | secher | nvz: Dude, I've been running SCSI for going on 15 years? I know, but do you know how much a SCSI DVD writer costs? Not to mention a resonably sized HD? |
| 08:39.04 | nvz | Duelist: there is a tor source that works with stable and testing |
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| 08:39.23 | nvz | Duelist: I can pull it from my sources.list if you are to lazy to goto the tor website |
| 08:39.25 | Duelist | nvz: no matter. looks like I'm back to following unstable again. |
| 08:39.25 | secher | SCSI beats IDE/EIDE/SATA hands down, but it's just getting too expensive. |
| 08:39.26 | Gnea | secher: SCSI knows how to intelligently place all devices on the same bandwidth level. IDE will never be able to match that. Thus, running both at the same time is pretty silly, unless the IDE is a cdrom/dvd drive |
| 08:39.32 | joshoua | in Grsync, which is th GUI for rsync, there is no means to set exclude. this can only be done in command mode> |
| 08:39.36 | joshoua | ? |
| 08:39.40 | Gnea | secher: only if you don't know how to shop for SCSI these days |
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| 08:39.49 | nvz | secher: yeah why do you think I got ide :P |
| 08:39.53 | Gnea | secher: is this for work or a personal system? |
| 08:39.55 | secher | Gnea: elucidate? |
| 08:40.04 | Gnea | secher: pardon? |
| 08:40.09 | secher | Gnea: personal, but heavily used. |
| 08:40.18 | secher | Gnea: explain further. |
| 08:40.22 | secher | Please |
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| 08:40.30 | nvz | secher: I got two dell hot swap cheeta 36gb I think they are.. but I dont know what to do about changing the hotswap connector to standard scsi and berg connections |
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| 08:41.01 | nvz | secher: or if its worth investing in an adapter for two 36gb drives condition unknown |
| 08:41.03 | Gnea | secher: oh, i bought 4 18.6gig SCA hard drives on ebay for a total of $20. That's about 76 gigs of SCSI-3 for under $45, including shipping. |
| 08:41.07 | Duelist | and given an Athlon 0.5GHz with 256M RAM, how high should I set APT::Cache-Limit at worst? |
| 08:41.28 | secher | GNEA: Are you fscking kidding me???? |
| 08:41.41 | Gnea | secher: hell no. |
| 08:41.49 | Duelist | currently it's at 33554432 here (32*1024*1024) |
| 08:41.55 | joshoua | nobody using Grsync? |
| 08:41.56 | Duelist | (or 32M) |
| 08:42.01 | nvz | secher: I could get the adapter and test em then sell em if anyone is interested.. I am for one not interested in two 36gb drives might be nice for a small server I got a lot of datas on my workstations |
| 08:42.03 | Gnea | secher: like i said, if you don't know how to shop for SCSI these days, then yes, you're going to be paying more than what you should be. |
| 08:42.23 | secher | Do you know how long I had to save to be able to afford my U320 adapter? |
| 08:42.33 | Gnea | nope. |
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| 08:42.49 | Gnea | fra: are you sure there isn't already an X server process running? |
| 08:42.49 | joshoua | Gnea: the drives fr ebay that you bought are old or new? |
| 08:42.57 | secher | a long time. |
| 08:43.08 | Gnea | joshoua: they were used. but SCA is SCA. |
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| 08:43.32 | fra | Gnea: yes |
| 08:43.40 | joshoua | Gnea: second-hand stuff. u don't no how long they will last. |
| 08:43.44 | fra | with root ok |
| 08:44.09 | Gnea | joshoua: you can build a hardware RAID-5 SCSI system, u160, with over 50gigs total, for under $100 these days. That includes the proper cabling and terminator(s). |
| 08:44.19 | joshoua | Gnea: there is always a diff betwenn old and new, SCA or no SCA. |
| 08:44.25 | Gnea | joshoua: they've already lasted. |
| 08:45.03 | fra | Gnea: #flood |
| 08:45.10 | Gnea | fra: i'm reading it |
| 08:45.19 | joshoua | Gnea: hd is a electromechnical device. wear and tear is definitely there. be ready to your next disk crash. |
| 08:45.19 | fra | Gnea: ok |
| 08:45.25 | roxy_ | any lpi certified people around ? |
| 08:45.31 | Gnea | joshoua: i keep backups. |
| 08:45.44 | Duelist | that reminds me |
| 08:45.48 | Duelist | I so need a DVD burner it's not funny |
| 08:45.57 | joshoua | Gnea: in what media? that will add to the cost. |
| 08:46.01 | nvz | I've been running second hand hardware for more than a decade of course it comes and goes.. I come by it easy and if I cant user it, found something better, or find a good home for one I let em go easy too |
| 08:46.13 | Duelist | 8.8G in /home. most of it mine. |
| 08:46.22 | nvz | I will give stuff away if its gonna get used at least as much or more than I would use it :P |
| 08:46.25 | Gnea | fra: looks like your keyboard settings are off |
| 08:46.28 | Duelist | I'd so not have fun backing all that up on CD-R |
| 08:46.37 | Gnea | joshoua: DVD-R's |
| 08:46.46 | nvz | I dont do too much with my stuff so if someone else puts it to better use I break em off something |
| 08:46.47 | Gnea | joshoua: no biggy, they're a dime a dozen these days |
| 08:46.59 | joshoua | nvz: how do you know when to give it up? it may give up on you first. |
| 08:47.01 | fra | Gnea: mmm |
| 08:47.30 | fra | Gnea: I dont'f fix this error |
| 08:47.32 | nvz | joshoua: hd's have been good to me.. I've had very few die.. mostly quantum fireballs and old maxtors |
| 08:47.35 | joshoua | Gnea: you would need many dvds to back up the hds. |
| 08:47.55 | Gnea | joshoua: you haven't done much backup using DVDs, have you |
| 08:47.56 | joshoua | and lots of time. |
| 08:48.13 | Gnea | not really, once a system has been established |
| 08:48.18 | joshoua | Gnea: all i know is that backup takes time. |
| 08:48.34 | Gnea | joshoua: so does clicking a mouse, what's your point? |
| 08:49.06 | joshoua | my point is, don't boast about cheap, old hds. |
| 08:49.09 | nvz | joshoua: my newest drives I went out and bought for my pc were the 120GB WDC WD1200JB-00DUA3 and the 160GB Segate ST3160023A and they are both decent.. I think they both have those fluid bearings real quiet |
| 08:49.23 | nvz | joshoua: the rest of em are ancient |
| 08:49.24 | Guerin | 8.8G will probably fot on a dvd if you compress it |
| 08:49.36 | Guerin | so that's only an hour's work, outside |
| 08:49.46 | Gnea | joshoua: but you're not me, and i'm not you, so what's the problem? |
| 08:50.01 | Gnea | !beer Guerin |
| 08:50.02 | joshoua | Guerin: hds now come in 100s of Gs. |
| 08:50.05 | Guerin | arr |
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| 08:50.23 | Guerin | joshoua: really? SHIT, i thought all those 250-400G drives were just vapourware |
| 08:50.32 | nvz | I've never had a scsi drive.. but I can imagine how nice life would be if you could afford something like scsi that can support more drives and have lvm setup going |
| 08:50.33 | Gnea | joshoua: i've seen 300g drives crash and burn within 3 months of installation. |
| 08:50.42 | Guerin | joshoua: you seem to be in possession of trade secrets, I hope you're using a pseudonym |
| 08:50.58 | Weedy_laptop | dman it |
| 08:50.59 | joshoua | Guerin: u bet. |
| 08:51.11 | Weedy_laptop | mysql-client-5.0: Depends: mysql-common (>= 5.0.24-0.dotdeb.0) |
| 08:51.16 | Weedy_laptop | where can i find this? |
| 08:51.31 | Gnea | Weedy_laptop: where did you find mysql-client-5.0? |
| 08:51.37 | joshoua | nvz: r u sure Seagate do fluid bearings? i know maxtor does. |
| 08:51.50 | Weedy_laptop | i used apt-cache |
| 08:51.54 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: same place you got the client |
| 08:51.54 | Gnea | joshoua: no wonder maxtor sucks. |
| 08:52.00 | nvz | joshoua: I know the segate does I am am not sure about the wd |
| 08:52.05 | Guerin | !u |
| 08:52.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:52.06 | Gnea | Weedy_laptop: using which branch? |
| 08:52.12 | Weedy_laptop | Sarge |
| 08:52.12 | flo_ | hi, I want to install debian testing with floppy. since there aren't any current images, can I also use the images from beta2 or 20060304 (I don't know what both is) or are they too old? |
| 08:52.13 | nvz | joshoua: the segate is newer and I remember reading it on the box |
| 08:52.27 | Gnea | Weedy_laptop: sarge doesn't have 5.0, unless you're using backports |
| 08:52.32 | Weedy_laptop | theres a server and a client |
| 08:52.34 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: is this your computer, or someone else's? |
| 08:52.36 | joshoua | nvz: seagate 160G with fluid bearing? cost? |
| 08:52.38 | Weedy_laptop | but no common |
| 08:52.50 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, dedicated server |
| 08:52.58 | Guerin | Gnea: dotdeb.org is mysquirrel and php backports |
| 08:53.00 | Weedy_laptop | and yes i assume it is a backport |
| 08:53.15 | nvz | joshoua: right now I just got the drive back off my dad and he's got NTFS on it and like 45gb worth of data images from digital cam and my brothers doing tv card captures of shows and playing games |
| 08:53.19 | Gnea | Guerin: really? is that an official site? |
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| 08:53.31 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: my point is: why are you trying to administer this box without a clue what sources it uses? |
| 08:53.34 | joshoua | Gnea: u saying maxtor sucks becos it uses fluid bearings? |
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| 08:53.42 | Guerin | Gnea: no, but iirc it's run by a dd |
| 08:53.56 | nvz | joshoua: the 120 I bought in dallas for like $30 after rebates at bestbuy the 160 I think was like $60 or something |
| 08:54.01 | Gnea | Dotdeb is an unofficial repository containing many packages for the Debian stable (aka \u201cSarge\u201c) distribution : |
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| 08:54.12 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, mostly because i cant use gentoo on it and debian is the only not crappy OS the offer |
| 08:54.20 | Gnea | Guerin: it's unofficial, we don't actively support it. |
| 08:54.22 | Gnea | !backports |
| 08:54.22 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:54.27 | nvz | joshoua: might have been more like $100 I didnt get it my dad did. |
| 08:54.29 | Gnea | Weedy_laptop: try the real backports |
| 08:54.52 | joshoua | nvz: i am abou to get one 160G, not decided on th brand yet. is Hitachi good? |
| 08:55.20 | nvz | joshoua: I watch pricewatch and ebay to get a general market price range before I shop then I check up on all the retail stores because they run some deals sometimes |
| 08:55.26 | liable | we dont officialy support the real backports either.. |
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| 08:55.35 | Gnea | joshoua: all i know is, maxtor drive have a much lesser life expectancy, regardless of connection type (IDE, SATA, SCSI) than any Seagate in existance. This used to not be true in the early 90's, but that's changed. |
| 08:55.47 | montoya | Gnea: I'm fra |
| 08:55.55 | Benny | Hi, hox can i split a textfile with 15000 lines into 3 textfiles with the same size? |
| 08:55.56 | montoya | do you want see xorg log? |
| 08:55.57 | joshoua | nvz: pricewatch and ebay to check price first, good idea. thks. |
| 08:55.59 | montoya | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fgLeKa37.html |
| 08:56.03 | Gnea | montoya: ok |
| 08:56.07 | nvz | joshoua: I've never had a Hitachi I usually end up with WD or Segate as they are the ones always on sale cheapest per GB |
| 08:56.21 | joshoua | Gnea: Hitachi's good? |
| 08:56.36 | Guerin | Gnea: exindeed. |
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| 08:56.46 | nvz | joshoua: I also have the prices from pricewatch sorted into a file and figure out where the curve is before I buy.. |
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| 08:57.16 | nvz | you will see the cost per gb curve down on one size at any given time |
| 08:57.38 | joshoua | in Grsync, which is th GUI for rsync, there is no means to set exclude. does it mean that to use this option, got to use command? |
| 08:57.40 | Gnea | joshoua: no opinion on hitachi, never used it. |
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| 08:58.24 | Gnea | montoya: do you have a /dev/dri/ directory? |
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| 08:58.38 | VincentMX | hi |
| 08:59.04 | montoya | Gnea: yes |
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| 08:59.07 | VincentMX | i've installed Debian sarge |
| 08:59.13 | VincentMX | but everything is like |
| 08:59.15 | VincentMX | ancient |
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| 08:59.34 | montoya | ls /dev/dri -> card0 |
| 09:00.27 | Gnea | montoya: what is the result of ls -l /dev/dri/card0 ? |
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| 09:00.56 | montoya | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2006-09-03 09:36 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 09:01.02 | secher | VincentMX: Sarge is not called stable for no reason. It's not got the newest wingdings, but it is /stable/ like the rock of frigging Gibraltar. |
| 09:01.09 | CAiRO | what's the easiest way to record .wav files from the line in of my sound card? |
| 09:01.09 | Guerin | VincentMX: sarge was released in june 2004. |
| 09:01.16 | VincentMX | k |
| 09:01.32 | VincentMX | well |
| 09:01.39 | cusco | secher: altho global worming is melting it! |
| 09:01.39 | VincentMX | i wont use kde and gnome anyway |
| 09:01.48 | Gnea | CAiRO: good question, i've been trying to figure that out too... i used to use wavrec, but that doesn't seem to work right anymore... |
| 09:01.53 | VincentMX | they suck @ older pc's |
| 09:01.54 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, ahh /etc/apt/preferences thank you |
| 09:01.58 | Guerin | cusco: yeah, those worms. They love that rock. |
| 09:02.01 | VincentMX | fluxbox will do fine |
| 09:02.11 | Gnea | VincentMX: :) |
| 09:02.12 | Guerin | VincentMX: evilwm ftw! |
| 09:02.21 | Guerin | it's so good it's evil |
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| 09:02.43 | Gnea | montoya: and the result of ls -ld /dev/dri ? |
| 09:02.55 | montoya | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 2006-09-03 10:52 /dev/dri |
| 09:03.13 | Gnea | odd. |
| 09:03.59 | Gnea | montoya: i'm stumped - the only thing we've established is that the problem is not related to the communication between X and the kernel module |
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| 09:04.52 | montoya | :'( |
| 09:04.53 | CAiRO | Gnea: is that programm in debian? i can't even find the package |
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| 09:05.06 | VincentMX | how do i remove all kde and gnome packages? and xfree86, i want xorg. |
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| 09:05.28 | nvz | seems like western digital 320gb size 7200rpm eide are cheapest on pricewatch right now at about $0.30/GB |
| 09:06.10 | nvz | 320 or 200 are around .30 right now |
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| 09:06.17 | ivan` | yes those 320GB drives are super cheap |
| 09:06.20 | ivan` | I collect them |
| 09:06.23 | nvz | heh |
| 09:06.47 | montoya | Gnea: I reinstall debian :D |
| 09:06.56 | nvz | I usually find way better deals at retail stores but you have to play a wait and watch and mail rebates game |
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| 09:07.19 | nvz | I got my 120gb at .25 after all that |
| 09:07.19 | CAiRO | Gnea: xawtc-tools has a programm called "record" that is used to record wav files, i'm trying it now |
| 09:07.19 | fra | :D |
| 09:07.26 | sepski | !remove kde |
| 09:07.26 | dpkg | [remove kde] apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 09:07.29 | sepski | !remove gnome |
| 09:07.29 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 09:07.38 | Gnea | CAiRO: ok |
| 09:08.01 | VincentMX | thnx |
| 09:08.02 | sepski | !tell VincentMX about get xorg |
| 09:08.08 | sepski | !tell VincentMX about xorg sarge |
| 09:08.09 | nvz | its nice to get 4gb out of every dollar.. its even nicer to get 10gb :P |
| 09:09.06 | cahoot | CAiRO: arecord if you use alsa |
| 09:09.22 | CAiRO | ah, ok, thanks |
| 09:09.39 | Guerin | ~sox |
| 09:09.45 | apt | i guess sox is Sound Processing Tool. URL: http://sox.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:09.45 | awormus | I am having issues compiling PHP on debian... I get this error http://pastebin.com/782570 it seems like it's an issue with glibc on debian |
| 09:09.46 | Guerin | !sox |
| 09:09.46 | dpkg | hmm... sox is imagemagick for audio |
| 09:09.54 | Gnea | CAiRO: try this: http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/xltwavplay.html |
| 09:09.57 | Guerin | !wayc awormus |
| 09:09.57 | dpkg | awormus: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:10.06 | nvz | by time eide is 10gb for a dollar and 750gb drives are the bottom of the curve nobody and I mean like nobody will be using them anymore :P |
| 09:10.19 | awormus | Guerin: because they don't have the most recent builds |
| 09:10.50 | Guerin | awormus: not our problem, then. |
| 09:11.10 | Guerin | awormus: are you backporting a package from unstable, or using upstream source? |
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| 09:12.05 | awormus | Guerin: I've been compiling packages forever, but I get this error since I've upgraded glibc |
| 09:12.53 | Guerin | awormus: my point is that if you're not using a debian-patched source, it's not reallywithin our knowledge or control whether it would build on debian. |
| 09:13.10 | Guerin | awormus: suggest you build whatever is the latest in unstable, or use a backport. |
| 09:13.11 | secher | I just don't get this. I booted Knoppix, and ran 'grub-install /dev/sdb' it returned 'probing bios for devices' then 'could not find a device for /boot: not found or not a block device. So I cfdisk /dev/sdb, and there it is: sda1 == /boot 24.6Mb, sda2 == / 4G and bootable, and sda3 == swap. WTF? |
| 09:13.38 | awormus | Guerin: thanks |
| 09:13.46 | Guerin | secher: did you use grub-install off the knoppix disk, or did you mount your drive and chroot? |
| 09:13.56 | nvz | secher: what are you trying to do? rescue a debian install? |
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| 09:14.26 | nvz | mounting and chroot is a good idea this is why its called a chroot rescue |
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| 09:14.42 | secher | Guerin: nvz: clean install. |
| 09:15.00 | Guerin | secher: that's not an answer to my question. |
| 09:15.06 | secher | Gurein: grub-install off of the knoppix disc. |
| 09:15.07 | Guerin | !jatfq |
| 09:15.13 | Guerin | hm |
| 09:15.26 | secher | Guerin: Man, I know. No need to hassle me about it, I was typing. |
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| 09:15.58 | Gnea | wow, looks like wavplay got taken out of debian a long time ago :/ |
| 09:15.59 | Guerin | secher: try mounting your / - don't auto-mount it, type the full mount line out yourself - and run it off the drive from within a chroot |
| 09:16.03 | nvz | you still havent really answered the question |
| 09:16.08 | Guerin | nvz: yeah he has |
| 09:16.22 | nvz | I didnt see him say if he chrooted |
| 09:16.30 | secher | Guerin: Kk, let me try it. No, I have not chrooted. |
| 09:16.36 | Guerin | nvz: irrelevant, since he ran it off the disk |
| 09:16.48 | nvz | ah |
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| 09:20.39 | grigora | hi, could someone tell me why I am getting a File Not Found error on boot (grub) when the kernel image is available? thanks |
| 09:21.05 | Guerin | grigora: because it's not where grub thinks it is |
| 09:21.46 | grigora | Guerin: ok, so how do I know where grub is looking |
| 09:21.48 | grigora | ? |
| 09:22.21 | grigora | Guerin: i have a root partition which also contains a /boot directory and that's where images are |
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| 09:23.06 | sepski | grigora, in grub you can use tab compleation to find the images |
| 09:23.57 | DaBlade | Guerin: Look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:23.57 | grigora | sepski: grub does show the entries in menu.lst but when I choose any image, i get a 15: File not found |
| 09:24.07 | Guerin | DaBlade: yes. |
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| 09:24.15 | grigora | DaBlade: what should I look for? |
| 09:24.25 | DaBlade | The place where it's looking is something like this: |
| 09:24.28 | DaBlade | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-486 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 09:24.39 | DaBlade | Guerin: Oops, mistook you for grigora. lol |
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| 09:24.49 | Guerin | but you also need to know what grub thinks / is |
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| 09:24.58 | grigora | DaBlade: I have seen that, everything matches, so what's next? |
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| 09:25.02 | Guerin | oh, it's on that linew |
| 09:25.06 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, help, i have conflicting deps |
| 09:25.08 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 09:25.17 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: sucks to not use stable |
| 09:25.24 | VincentMX | hi Siddharta |
| 09:25.26 | DaBlade | grigora: Something's wrong. Perhaps a typo somewhere in menu.lst? |
| 09:25.27 | Siddharta | since i've installed etch instead of sid |
| 09:25.34 | Siddharta | hi VincentMX |
| 09:25.38 | grigora | Guerin: so how do I know what grub thinks / is? |
| 09:25.44 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, 4.1 is not fast enough |
| 09:25.48 | Siddharta | my wi fi is not working very well |
| 09:25.59 | DaBlade | grigora: Paste your menu.lst on pastebin.com |
| 09:26.05 | grigora | DaBlade: menu.lst was generated automagically ... i doubt there are typos |
| 09:26.08 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: paint racing stripes on the side |
| 09:26.23 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: stability > speed for server software |
| 09:26.23 | DaBlade | grigora: Hmm... can't really help you there then. |
| 09:26.27 | DaBlade | I always manually edit mine. |
| 09:26.44 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, 32mil queries a day |
| 09:26.44 | Guerin | grigora: hit 'e' on boot and use tabcompletion |
| 09:26.48 | Siddharta | first of all i was getting this error : ipw2100Error calling register_netdev. |
| 09:26.51 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: get a faster box |
| 09:27.01 | Weedy_laptop | dual core opteron |
| 09:27.03 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: with 32 million hits I'm sure you can afford one |
| 09:27.10 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: get another of same |
| 09:27.22 | Siddharta | then i noticed i had no firmware of ipw2100 in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 09:27.22 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: don't make me explain the fundamentals of server management to you |
| 09:27.47 | cahoot | grigora: does /boot/grub/device.map list your devices in the way you expect? |
| 09:27.57 | Guerin | i don't even WORK in IT and i know that swapping out stable software for unstable on a critical service, just for a few % speed increase is a fucking stupid idea |
| 09:28.12 | Weedy_laptop | 5.0 is stable |
| 09:28.19 | Weedy_laptop | 5.1 is the dev brance |
| 09:28.21 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: not in sarge it ain't |
| 09:28.24 | Weedy_laptop | branch* |
| 09:28.26 | Siddharta | i went on sourceforge dowloaded it and installed it , so now # dmesg |grep ipw says ipw2100: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Connection |
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| 09:28.42 | Siddharta | but when i type # iwlist scanning |
| 09:28.44 | grigora | cahoot: well, it says (hd0) /dev/hda, does that look right? |
| 09:29.21 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, so what is it stable in? |
| 09:29.36 | Siddharta | i get this http://paste.debian.net/12159 |
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| 09:29.48 | Siddharta | does someone coud help me |
| 09:29.53 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: the minds of mysql devs? |
| 09:30.32 | fra | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 09:31.06 | Guerin | fra: normal |
| 09:31.35 | grigora | Guerin: this is really funny, even after I autocomplete the file, it still tells me file not found |
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| 09:31.46 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, do you have a link for sarge -> etch? i cant find it anymore |
| 09:32.10 | Guerin | grigora: what filesystem is it on. Is it ide? Do you have any ide pci cards or raid controllers or anything? |
| 09:32.11 | sepski | !sarge->etch |
| 09:32.35 | grigora | Guerin: not really, it's a simple ide hd and runs ext3 |
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| 09:32.50 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: i'm not helping you move your mission-critical box to testing, which DOES break, and has no security support. If you want to do that you can figure it out yourself. |
| 09:32.58 | Guerin | grigora: that's crazeh. |
| 09:33.09 | RichiH | ok, i have a pII laptop with a whopping 128 MB ram.. it needs to act as text-editor box for a windows user. WM will be fluxbox. suggestions for a fast, lightweigth, gui-based, windows-like text editor? |
| 09:33.32 | Guerin | RichiH: emacs |
| 09:33.33 | Weedy_laptop | lord i already hate debian and ive only been on it for an hour |
| 09:33.51 | metellius | RichiH: kate or gedit |
| 09:33.58 | Weedy_laptop | how can i resolve the dep-list? |
| 09:34.06 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: you hate it because you're too stupid to understand it |
| 09:34.08 | metellius | emacs is not windows-like |
| 09:34.12 | eleftherios | hm, is there a way of having my old sites run php4 while new ones run on php5? I am on Debian Etch, using apache2 |
| 09:34.13 | Bushmills | RichiH: check out tea , or teaed |
| 09:34.20 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: you don't, you let the package management software do it for you. |
| 09:34.26 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, sure why not |
| 09:34.29 | Siddharta | does smeone has an idea for my wi fi issue? |
| 09:34.38 | Bushmills | or, for something very simple, leafpad or mousepad |
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| 09:34.46 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, i want to see the list, is it possible? |
| 09:34.49 | sepski | Weedy_laptop, your on it for an hour and want to upgrade from sarge to etch... talk about jumping in the deep end with no previous swimming training :) |
| 09:35.08 | Weedy_laptop | sepski, i run gentoo, i live in the deep end |
| 09:35.10 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: what list? recursive dependency list? You can do it with a for loop and apt-cache depends |
| 09:35.13 | RichiH | Guerin: i hate emacs with all my heart :) |
| 09:35.14 | cahoot | sepski: any dog handles that |
| 09:35.23 | Guerin | beware, it's often quite substantial |
| 09:35.33 | Guerin | RichiH: quelle vidiot |
| 09:35.42 | RichiH | metellius: kate and gedit both depend on large DEs, which makes them rather large |
| 09:35.43 | sepski | Weedy_laptop, i have used gentoo. it's not hard nor difficult... just darn time consuming |
| 09:35.46 | RichiH | Bushmills: will do |
| 09:35.52 | grigora | Guerin: and crazy it is |
| 09:36.00 | kreg_work | anyone here use openvpn? |
| 09:36.05 | Bushmills | kreg_work: me |
| 09:36.06 | Guerin | if you use gentoo on an important server, you're even more stupid than someone who uses etch |
| 09:36.07 | sepski | kreg_work, ofcouse |
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| 09:36.17 | RichiH | Guerin: neither seems to be an editor |
| 09:36.18 | Guerin | !anyone use openvpn |
| 09:36.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses openvpn, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:36.30 | Guerin | RichiH: tried joe? |
| 09:36.33 | HNT | Hello everybody, a simple question : i'v got some user on my workstation, i want to prevent them from beeing able to see the complete root partition, so how can I block them in their home (so they would only be able to see the content of them home folder) ? |
| 09:36.40 | Weedy_laptop | sepski, fixing broken compiles in the testing branch was more sane then this |
| 09:36.44 | Guerin | HNT: don't bother. |
| 09:36.48 | RichiH | Guerin: ha, ha |
| 09:36.57 | Guerin | RichiH: what's wrong with joe? |
| 09:37.15 | kreg_work | i'm trying to set it up on a gateway. the gateway already uses some alias'd ip's and several static routes. so in addition, i'm trying to add openvpn service. works great so far. hwoever, when i run a basic bridge-start script (like the sample) it wipes out my alias'd ip's and static routes. where should i tell it to take in account for this? |
| 09:37.24 | Bushmills | HNT: you could buy all cdroms with linux distributions on them, so nobody can get any of those to look at |
| 09:37.36 | RichiH | Guerin: no gui, which is part of the specs |
| 09:37.45 | Bushmills | hnt, i have several here, and will sell them to you for 25 $ per piece |
| 09:37.55 | Guerin | RichiH: joe has a gui, don't it? |
| 09:38.01 | HNT | kreg_work : ahah |
| 09:38.06 | Guerin | i must be getting it mixed up with something else then |
| 09:38.11 | ma3x | Guerin, do you know how to mount bsd partition in debian? |
| 09:38.16 | Guerin | ma3x: nope. |
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| 09:38.24 | RichiH | Guerin: joe has ncurses |
| 09:39.14 | metellius | joe has ncurses and is anything but windows-like |
| 09:39.27 | HNT | sorry not kreg_work but Bushmills , if you want, I can also sell you my debian cd and dvd for 100 $ (for the group), with the book, it's a good priece no ? |
| 09:39.31 | CAiRO | lol, openoffice is sooo buggy, when i open a recent document and then open the "open dialog" the default folder is /usr/lib/openoffice/program... what a shit |
| 09:39.44 | kreg_work | HNT, should i built the gateway using /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-<iface name> and route-<iface name> to keep it distro style. i want to add openvpn, but not have a lot of tricky hand made personal scripts to compenssate. |
| 09:39.54 | sepski | ma3x, it's usualy just a matter of setting the correct ufstype= option, it's all in man mount |
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| 09:40.14 | ma3x | sepski, I tried with ufstype=old and ufstype=44bsd, but both wont work |
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| 09:40.45 | sepski | but it is a ufs partition ? |
| 09:40.47 | HNT | I'm not a specialist but for me you will alsa need to modify /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:40.52 | Guerin | HNT: wtf? |
| 09:41.02 | Guerin | HNT: stop pimping your shit in here |
| 09:41.10 | HNT | sorry |
| 09:41.11 | Bushmills | HNT: ok, but that way you are not guaranteed to keep the root dir on those from your users. *You* have to buy them all up, not me. |
| 09:41.57 | Guerin | HNT: in answer to your question, there's no point in obscuring your root from users. They can't fuck with it, and if they can do any evil by seeing it, you need to make some shit read-only |
| 09:42.07 | Guerin | nop, unreadable |
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| 09:42.18 | HNT | I thinked this was a junk, I don't understand, my explications were maby not so good |
| 09:42.54 | HNT | In a forum somebody speek about a way with chroot to do that, don't you know how ? |
| 09:43.19 | RichiH | HNT: what is your native language |
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| 09:43.45 | sepski | kreg_work, i did it with the openvpn packages from backports. and it was pretty stright forward. |
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| 09:43.59 | kreg_work | ? |
| 09:44.22 | HNT | I don't understand the utility of your question, I just want to block my users in they home folder |
| 09:44.30 | sepski | kreg_work, and i didnt use any sample config, i just write my own |
| 09:44.31 | HNT | sorry frnech |
| 09:44.50 | HNT | my native language is french (from belgium) |
| 09:45.08 | RichiH | !fr |
| 09:45.09 | dpkg | i heard fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net, please join #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or #debianfr on irc.freenode.net |
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| 09:45.18 | kreg_work | sepski, i'm not opposed to that. i just need somewhere to start. do you have any exmples. seems lacks on the next finding any beyond the examples. |
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| 09:45.28 | grigora | Guerin: my bad, the root line was off by one |
| 09:45.39 | SR|Brunelleschi | if I wanted to have a service that is installed inside a chroot be controllable from within the real root, would I copy the init.d script for it, and modify it to have a $CHROOT variable, tack that on the beginning of the existence checks, then add a "-r $CHROOT" argument to start-stop-daemon? |
| 09:45.40 | sepski | HNT, if you block your users into their home directoy, they can't _do_ anything since they wont have access to /bin or /usr/bin. in that case it might be saner not to allow them login access in the first place ? |
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| 09:45.48 | kreg_work | i need to preserve the alias'd networks interfaces and static routes when openvpn starts, and put it back the way it was when openvpn stop |
| 09:45.52 | SR|Brunelleschi | (eg, to have it started when the real root boots) |
| 09:46.26 | grigora | does anyone know what the kernel driver for Realtek eth card is called? |
| 09:46.44 | Bushmills | grigora: 8139too |
| 09:46.45 | HNT | ok but the problem is that there is 74 person (actually) on the debian-fr channel, usually, I found more easly my solutions here because people speek more |
| 09:46.45 | sepski | 8139too or 8139cp |
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| 09:47.26 | SR|Brunelleschi | (I'm giving a talk at LeLUG on a couple of weeks, and one of the things I'm talking about is "shchroot" - and I thought it would be nice to be able to cover cross-chroot control of services) |
| 09:47.28 | HNT | so, thanks for trying to help me and sorry for the missunderstood, have a nice week-end |
| 09:47.28 | sepski | kreg_work, no i just read the /usr/share/doc/openvpn* area and the official openvon docs |
| 09:47.51 | grigora | Bushmills: sepski: thanks |
| 09:47.52 | SR|Brunelleschi | (err, in* a couple of weeks, on "schroot"*) |
| 09:48.14 | kreg_work | sepski, yep me too. this i assumed was "assumed" be fore asking questions in here. |
| 09:48.16 | grigora | Bushmills: so what do I need to do to get it loaded automagically? (/etc/modules?) |
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| 09:48.58 | sepski | kreg_work, hehe that's what we wish for, but almost never get |
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| 09:49.27 | kreg_work | >: ) |
| 09:49.58 | kreg_work | i'm mainly fishing for people who ran into the same thought. it's not really that i need help with openvpn itself. i need help combing openvpn service to a very custome gateway |
| 09:50.44 | kreg_work | and teaching openvpn bridge scripts to know how to absorb the config when it setups up tapX and how to reapply the previously in place static routes. then how to undo it back when openvpn stops. |
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| 09:55.04 | Bushmills | grigora: edit /etc/modules |
| 09:56.51 | NetNiet | He folks |
| 09:57.05 | nehoksan | i like squirting!! |
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| 09:59.03 | NetNiet | I did try to download 3.1r3 but on the page of 3.1r3 the down load still links to a 3.1r2 (two) |
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| 10:00.43 | NetNiet | So i send a bug report to submit@bugs.debian.org but got a mail back that my mail was trashed as it does not mention a package !!!!! |
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| 10:01.39 | NetNiet | Do you know a other email address to contact ? |
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| 10:04.41 | blondie | NetNiet: webmaster? |
| 10:05.12 | NetNiet | will gif i a try ! |
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| 10:07.41 | bkw | is java 1.5 available for debian sarge? |
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| 10:13.10 | epsilon | get the binary installer from java.sun.com |
| 10:13.40 | epsilon | download, execute in destination dir, that's all |
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| 10:14.23 | Weedy_laptop | ok note to self |
| 10:14.49 | Weedy_laptop | DONT USE POS PROVIDERS POS SOURCE MIRRORS |
| 10:14.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:14.59 | Guerin | ok, fair enough |
| 10:15.02 | Weedy_laptop | no actually unstable is working awesome |
| 10:15.12 | Weedy_laptop | im happy now |
| 10:15.19 | Guerin | oh god, you're running unstable on the 32 million hits per day server? |
| 10:15.41 | Weedy_laptop | yes |
| 10:15.52 | Guerin | ... |
| 10:15.55 | Weedy_laptop | and its chuging away quite nicely |
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| 10:16.00 | Weedy_laptop | lag is gone |
| 10:16.10 | NetNiet | I would go to testing if it would come with the drivers |
| 10:16.19 | Guerin | that's the stupidest thing I've heard in *months* |
| 10:16.20 | Weedy_laptop | i will have to baby sit updates more, but i can manage |
| 10:17.09 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, i will be moving it to gentoo ASAP |
| 10:19.09 | Weedy_laptop | and then ill install gcc 4.2 and glibc 2.5 |
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| 10:19.39 | Weedy_laptop | and put strange flags in my CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS and cant forget LDFLAGS |
| 10:19.55 | Weedy_laptop | before rebuilding the entire box 6 times just for fun |
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| 10:20.30 | nehoksan | HELLO |
| 10:20.34 | nehoksan | I dont want debian anymore!! |
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| 10:20.38 | nehoksan | i want windows back1! |
| 10:20.41 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: i'm glad you don't work for me |
| 10:20.42 | nehoksan | how to?! |
| 10:20.50 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: i'd have to hire a new sysadmin |
| 10:20.53 | nehoksan | i want no debian |
| 10:20.56 | nehoksan | debian ist bad |
| 10:20.59 | Guerin | nehoksan: not our problem. |
| 10:21.04 | nehoksan | why? |
| 10:21.05 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, i would have killed myself if i did |
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| 10:21.24 | Guerin | nehoksan: get your windows cd, insert, boot. |
| 10:21.44 | nehoksan | Guerin, i dont have windows live cd |
| 10:21.48 | nehoksan | where to download? |
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| 10:21.51 | nehoksan | i need cd key too! |
| 10:21.54 | Guerin | nehoksan: www.windows.com |
| 10:22.00 | nehoksan | thanks! |
| 10:22.05 | Guerin | nehoksan: you're welcome. |
| 10:22.06 | SR|Brunelleschi | gah! |
| 10:22.19 | Weedy_laptop | .... |
| 10:22.33 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, i think i see why you are the way you are |
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| 10:22.53 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, do many of those join a day? |
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| 10:23.06 | Guerin | Weedy_laptop: no, that's not really ordinary. |
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| 10:23.21 | nehoksan | i'm just a troll :[ |
| 10:23.29 | Weedy_laptop | we noticed |
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| 10:25.12 | SR|Brunelleschi | the comment 25minutes ago was a clue. |
| 10:25.34 | nehoksan | http://screens.fake.zx.tc/screenshot_03_09_06-12_24_41.jpg |
| 10:25.38 | nehoksan | :] |
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| 10:27.15 | Weedy_laptop | nehoksan, at least you use fluxbox |
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| 10:27.21 | Guerin | EWHOCARES |
| 10:27.21 | Weedy_laptop | i cant fault you there |
| 10:27.33 | nehoksan | everyone should use fluxbox |
| 10:27.36 | nehoksan | (: |
| 10:27.42 | Guerin | evilwm > fluxbox |
| 10:28.02 | Weedy_laptop | never |
| 10:28.22 | EdLin | wmii > evilwm |
| 10:29.07 | liable | here we go, who has the biggest penis depends on the lightest wm? |
| 10:29.34 | nehoksan | the biggest penis depends on the best wm |
| 10:29.35 | nehoksan | :> |
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| 10:29.45 | EdLin | liable: wii has interesting features, it's not just the "lightest weight" though it is light weight. |
| 10:29.45 | cusco | everyone should use ion |
| 10:29.46 | cusco | :p |
| 10:30.10 | cusco | liable: woa.. thats so.. true! |
| 10:30.13 | EdLin | cusco: wmii is a lot like ion, but you can do things like toggling floating or tiled modes |
| 10:30.25 | cusco | fixed windows is nice |
| 10:30.35 | cusco | at least you know where they are :p |
| 10:31.00 | Guerin | ion is shit |
| 10:31.10 | Guerin | i like the ability of windows toi be different sizes |
| 10:31.12 | cusco | so is everything else |
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| 10:31.47 | cusco | !start a wm war |
| 10:31.47 | dpkg | blackbox sucks! |
| 10:31.51 | cusco | tau!!! |
| 10:32.07 | EdLin | Guerin: it's good for command line aps, but for aps that use pop-up status windows like firefox, that's better. wmii lets one live in both worlds smoother than ion |
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| 10:32.35 | cusco | whats wrong with kde and gnome anyways? |
| 10:32.40 | cusco | is it HEAVY? |
| 10:32.52 | EdLin | also wmii has interesting features like using the plan9 9P protocol |
| 10:32.55 | cusco | I have a good-enough-machine ! |
| 10:33.14 | cusco | Im not using a 10 year old P100 or something |
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| 10:33.47 | EdLin | cusco: KDE and GNOME are not innovative enough and perform poorly. |
| 10:33.53 | liable | shit, even my almost 4 year old thinkpad can run compiz and aiglx |
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| 10:34.04 | Guerin | cusco: i have a computer plenty tough enough to run them,, i just don't want allthat extraneous shit in my way |
| 10:34.21 | Guerin | like a panel, and a kicker and a system tray and shit |
| 10:34.25 | Guerin | son't need none of it |
| 10:34.54 | Weedy_laptop | Guerin, agreed |
| 10:34.55 | cusco | like that would really be the reason.. |
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| 10:35.28 | Guerin | cusco: what other reason? |
| 10:35.40 | cusco | god knows... |
| 10:35.53 | cusco | if the panel is the problem, you can very easely take it out |
| 10:35.55 | Guerin | cusco: you lose |
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| 10:36.07 | Guerin | !minimal force |
| 10:36.11 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:36.21 | Guerin | go study the minimal force doctrine some time |
| 10:36.29 | ThomasPorter | Okay, big question : How do I set up a pop3 server so I can use a email client with my domain istead of paying for the costly charges for someone else to host my email |
| 10:37.05 | cusco | ThomasPorter: thats fairly easy! |
| 10:37.24 | cusco | ThomasPorter: install the package popa3d |
| 10:37.38 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: suggest you read http://workaround.org/ispmail-sarge if you want complicated and bulletproof, or just install dovecot or courier-pop3 if you want simple |
| 10:37.45 | cusco | or search for something like it: apt-cache search pop3 server |
| 10:37.56 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: make that workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge |
| 10:37.58 | ThomasPorter | cusco, I've tried 3 times over the period of 2 years.. and failed... |
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| 10:38.29 | cusco | ThomasPorter: then you would also need to configure exim (or other mail transfer thingie that you use) |
| 10:38.33 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: Thankyou |
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| 10:38.47 | cusco | can you send and recieve emails with mailx? from the command line? |
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| 10:39.11 | ThomasPorter | Gurein, lol.. I stubled on this tutorial on google but thought it was too complicated.. I guess i'm forced to read it now |
| 10:39.11 | enouf | smarthost? |
| 10:39.24 | ThomasPorter | cusco, I have no idea. |
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| 10:40.03 | cusco | ThomasPorter: what will a pop3 server be doing on your machine then?! |
| 10:40.06 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: it is complicated, but it's hard as nails once it's up |
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| 10:40.41 | ThomasPorter | cusco, I'm not sure where to start with email servers, ask me about web servers and I'm fine.. not email servers though :( |
| 10:41.10 | ThomasPorter | server:~# mailx |
| 10:41.11 | ThomasPorter | No mail for root |
| 10:41.12 | liable | email is surprisingly complex |
| 10:41.24 | ThomasPorter | liable: Finally someone agrees with me! |
| 10:41.25 | Guerin | liable: it is eh |
| 10:41.47 | Guerin | it took me months to figure that shit out |
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| 10:41.55 | Guerin | and even today I don't fuck with it lest I break it |
| 10:42.31 | ThomasPorter | Guerin, did you follow tha tutorial? |
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| 10:42.59 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: no, I set it up similarly on my own |
| 10:43.08 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: then found the tutorial once it was too late |
| 10:43.14 | Guerin | but my setup is essentially the same |
| 10:43.25 | ThomasPorter | Guerin, ah.. flying solo.. its the only way to learn I guess |
| 10:44.02 | ThomasPorter | Well, I'm not up for a major server upgrade right now. I think its time for a coffee. I'll bookmark it and do it when i'm bothed. |
| 10:44.08 | ThomasPorter | Thanks for your help |
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| 10:45.13 | EdLin | am I the only one who read "both" as "bofh"? |
| 10:45.25 | EdLin | bothed* |
| 10:46.03 | EdLin | tough crowd, tough crowd |
| 10:47.12 | ph00 | I set some routes using route, but after a reboot the routing table was back to normal: how do I set routes so that they will stay there? (I already tried man and --help, but still couldn't figure that out) |
| 10:47.36 | liable | ph00: in interfaces |
| 10:47.44 | Guerin | ph00: man interfaces |
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| 10:48.36 | ph00 | interfaces OK |
| 10:48.36 | ph00 | gonna have a look at that |
| 10:48.36 | ph00 | thx |
| 10:49.15 | nehoksan | where to buy cheap valium? |
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| 10:49.19 | nehoksan | i always get email spam |
| 10:49.24 | nehoksan | but its expensive there |
| 10:50.06 | Guerin | nehoksan: www.imafucktard.com |
| 10:50.32 | nehoksan | are you? |
| 10:50.36 | nehoksan | why do you think so? |
| 10:51.31 | ph00 | nehoksan, well, from germany, you could easily get it from italy |
| 10:51.53 | nehoksan | where? |
| 10:52.44 | liable | nehoksan: havent you trolled enough already? |
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| 10:53.20 | EdLin | liable: there's a reason why they call it "dope" you know |
| 10:53.21 | nehoksan | k, liable |
| 10:53.21 | nehoksan | :[ |
| 10:53.38 | ph00 | in italy, all you need is a easily fakeable prescription: you do it with your computer and printer, in the top left corner goes name and address and phone to a fake docroor, then you have to know how to wrie that (any junkee can halp you with that), than you simply go to the pharmacy and buy it (but OK, I'm dropping this one) |
| 10:53.48 | ph00 | OK, I'll stop. back to my net stuff |
| 10:53.51 | ma3x | why can't I damnit mount readwrite bsd partition? |
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| 10:54.19 | EdLin | not that I'd fake a perscription, but in America they have watermarks |
| 10:56.00 | nehoksan | in germany they call the doctor if they find anything suspisious |
| 10:57.09 | nehoksan | but i wouldnt fake a perscription |
| 10:57.11 | nehoksan | :] |
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| 10:58.15 | cahoot | nehoksan: in what way does this clueless rambling relate to debian? |
| 10:58.43 | nehoksan | i got valium spam |
| 10:58.51 | nehoksan | on my debian box |
| 10:58.52 | nehoksan | :[ |
| 10:59.04 | ph00 | how bout faking a known number anfd having a frien playing the doctor? (an this time I *will* stop it, really. I don't want to troll.) |
| 10:59.28 | ph00 | could keep talking ablut that in pvt, but spamming the channel is bad |
| 10:59.46 | nehoksan | #drugs |
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| 11:00.40 | Sy_Dan | ‎/join #drugs |
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| 11:09.02 | basanta | somebody please help me with cups!!! |
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| 11:11.42 | kriel | okay. how do i tell either/both apt and debian-installer to check the cdrom for packages, and if they aren't there, then go onto ftp and get them? |
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| 11:13.16 | subzee | hi, is it possible do make a sudo without history? |
| 11:13.54 | Guerin | subzee: anything's possible. |
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| 11:14.43 | subzee | Guerin, i know i can delete the bash_history but i heard that its possible with sudo su- is this right? |
| 11:15.28 | liable | what devious things are you doing? |
| 11:15.36 | SR|Brunelleschi | what's that tool for creating fake dependency packages called? |
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| 11:16.04 | liable | SR|Brunelleschi: equivs |
| 11:16.39 | subzee | the problem i dont know how i can do mysql dumb without password showing in the bash_history file, thats my problem |
| 11:16.41 | Guerin | subzee: deleting history is stupid, unless you're looking to cover your tracks, in which case you should be using a separate shell anyway |
| 11:16.41 | SR|Brunelleschi | liable: cheers :) (I'm using an alpha of cdrecord in /opt in a chroot, and I wanted to install a gui burner, but need to meet the dependencies then set some alternatives) |
| 11:16.59 | Guerin | subzee: what i'm trying to get at is: what you're trying to do is bloody pointless |
| 11:17.35 | subzee | Guerin, i want do mysqldumbs sometimes by hand, but it really sucks that somebody can read my mysql passwords |
| 11:17.54 | subzee | nothing bloody :) |
| 11:18.16 | liable | once you get into the mysql shell, bash still logs password? |
| 11:18.26 | kriel | subzee: is it a local machine? |
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| 11:18.39 | kriel | subzee: or rather, do you have root access? |
| 11:19.06 | subzee | kriel yes |
| 11:19.13 | subzee | i mean this: mysqldump portal -uroot -proot --opt > sql.sql |
| 11:19.30 | subzee | there are 5 people the have root access maybe more |
| 11:19.52 | Guerin | subzee: if someone has root, they can see anything anyway |
| 11:20.12 | kriel | Guerin: but you can't see something that's not there... |
| 11:20.34 | subzee | Guerin, hehe ok unterstand, but you mean screen -x oder something like this ? |
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| 11:21.10 | kriel | subzee: it might be simpler to just delete bash_history when you're done than try and figure out how to not make it have history. |
| 11:21.20 | liable | meh, up at 4, laters |
| 11:21.26 | Guerin | kriel: my point is that if someone with root wantsd to capture keystrokes, they will, so deleting your logs and history is a bit pointless. |
| 11:22.11 | Guerin | subzee: and regardless, anyone with root can CHANGE your mysql passwords, let alone read them |
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| 11:22.17 | kriel | Guerin: ... forgot about keylogging... |
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| 11:22.29 | subzee | kriel, ok this is the way at the moment after an export i logout/login and delte the mysql line but its not very comfortable |
| 11:23.09 | subzee | Guerin, change is not the problem because change i note |
| 11:23.51 | kriel | subzee: Guerin's got a point. if they wanted to do something malicious, they could. nothing you can do about it. |
| 11:24.13 | subzee | kriel, sure |
| 11:24.49 | Guerin | subzee: but they can SEE it as easily as change it |
| 11:24.52 | kriel | subzee: they could get your password no matter how you hide it, and change the password if it suited them. the only thing you can really do is trust them. or, you know. find another box... -cough- |
| 11:25.09 | subzee | kriel, ok :) |
| 11:25.09 | Guerin | this is the problem with shared root |
| 11:25.27 | Guerin | you either have to trust your other roots, or you hjave to not commit anything to the box |
| 11:25.41 | subzee | Guerin, yes very true and sometimes also for people :) |
| 11:25.47 | kriel | that sounds so wrong. >< 'your other roots' |
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| 11:26.12 | Guerin | root natty root, dread kinky dread |
| 11:26.23 | subzee | ok guys thanks for attention, have a nice day |
| 11:26.38 | Guerin | that would scare the other root |
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| 11:27.03 | creature | This is probably not Debian-specific, so if there's somewhere better for it, excuse me. I have a new USB hub that connects and disconnects itself from the PC at intervals of about 5 seconds. Obviously this makes it near-unusable. It does this regardless of whether it has any devices plugged into it or not. A log is available at http://pastebin.ca/159684 |
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| 11:27.36 | kriel | creature: have you done anything to the hub? does it do this to another comp? |
| 11:28.08 | creature | The hub's brand new; I've just taken it out of the box and plugged it in. I haven't got another computer available to test, though I can test it tomorrow if necessary. |
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| 11:28.36 | ma3x | how do I mount readwrite bsd partition? |
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| 11:28.47 | kriel | ... [do hubs have reset buttons...?] |
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| 11:29.00 | SeanTater | ma3x: what fs? |
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| 11:29.14 | creature | kriel: This one doesn't have any buttons. |
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| 11:29.58 | brownie17 | does anyone know about "directvobsub" compatibility with linux>? |
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| 11:30.03 | moshii | Nice over reaction about that dd leaving on slashdot :/ |
| 11:30.20 | pyxel | Hello, how it's possible that debian hasn't irssi-silc plugin package? I found only a wish to make this .deb at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337282 ... so, can I make it ? or it's exist yet ? :) |
| 11:30.56 | SeanTater | ma3x: mount -t the_filesystem_name /dev/The_Device the_mount_folder |
| 11:31.02 | Guerin | pyxel: please do. |
| 11:31.13 | Guerin | pyxel: you might want to ask for guidance in #debian-mentors |
| 11:31.45 | simonrvn | SeanTater: FS_type not FS_name |
| 11:31.45 | SeanTater | ma3x: example: mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt/that_data |
| 11:31.47 | pyxel | Guerin: ok, because I was suprise that isn't exist. |
| 11:31.48 | moshii | It's pretty easy to make packages with debhelper scripts |
| 11:31.55 | ma3x | SeanTater, ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write |
| 11:31.59 | kriel | creature: ... sorry, i'm out of ideas. only thing i'd try is another machine. i'm too new to know how to fix the debian part. |
| 11:32.02 | ma3x | why the hell was it compiled read only? |
| 11:32.02 | SeanTater | simonrvn: ofrogt |
| 11:32.04 | ma3x | I want to write to it |
| 11:32.24 | simonrvn | it's ok |
| 11:32.37 | ma3x | simonrvn, please help if you know how to mount readwrite bsd partition? |
| 11:32.41 | creature | kriel: It's OK. Thanks anyway. |
| 11:32.42 | SeanTater | ma3x: writing to my may be unsafe, like ntfs (I don;t know) |
| 11:32.45 | ma3x | mount -t ufs -wo ufstype=ufs2 /dev/hda4 /media/data |
| 11:32.53 | ma3x | ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write |
| 11:33.09 | ma3x | I need to write to it, because I changed the shell to /bin/bash instead of /usr/local/bin/bash |
| 11:33.15 | ma3x | so I can't access it anymore from freebsd |
| 11:33.20 | simonrvn | and you expect it to b emounted r/w how exactly? |
| 11:33.21 | raf256 | $ hugin |
| 11:33.22 | raf256 | hugin: relocation error: /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_qa-2.6.so.0: symbol _ZTV13wxStackWalker, version WXU_2.6 not defined in file libwx_baseu-2.6.so.0 with link time reference |
| 11:33.25 | raf256 | what the hell? |
| 11:33.27 | moshii | ma3x: maybe writing isn't safe :/ |
| 11:33.47 | djw | I don't think ufs writing is safe |
| 11:33.48 | simonrvn | impossible in fact if you didn't enable it |
| 11:33.53 | simonrvn | it isn't |
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| 11:34.12 | ma3x | well how do I enable it? |
| 11:34.17 | ma3x | i have package kernel |
| 11:34.22 | moshii | ma3x: go into single user mode or something and change your shell |
| 11:34.22 | SeanTater | ma3x: probably |
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| 11:34.33 | simonrvn | get a freebsd floppy or cd and do that, instead |
| 11:34.35 | ma3x | moshii, single user mode mounts it as read only |
| 11:34.48 | simonrvn | ma3x: and you remount it r/w ... |
| 11:34.50 | djw | ma3x: remount it read/write |
| 11:34.50 | moshii | ma3x: remount the fs as ro |
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| 11:34.57 | moshii | rw |
| 11:35.00 | djw | heh |
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| 11:35.07 | ma3x | ok |
| 11:35.10 | brownie17 | anyone know if totem supports subtitles? |
| 11:35.25 | simonrvn | ask its manual |
| 11:35.52 | moshii | brownie17: most players use xine or mplayer.. they both support a range of subtitle formats |
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| 11:36.21 | brownie17 | moshii, so you think mplayer would support directvobsub? |
| 11:36.25 | moshii | brownie17: but without the special formating and features some formats have |
| 11:36.42 | moshii | brownie17: directvobsub? you mean subtitles in a vob? |
| 11:37.25 | moshii | directvobsub sounds like a vob subtitle rendering system for direct video in windows .... |
| 11:37.25 | brownie17 | moshii, i've got no idea what it is, it's some crappy windows created thing that someone said i needed to watch the subtitles on a movie called battle royale |
| 11:37.50 | moshii | brownie17: a ripped dvd no doubt? |
| 11:38.08 | Guerin | totem is either xine or gstreamer, depending on setup |
| 11:38.23 | moshii | brownie17: mplayer will do it if xine, vlc etc don't |
| 11:38.28 | Guerin | the xine backend doesn indeed support subtitles, i presume gst does |
| 11:38.43 | Guerin | does indeed, not doesn't |
| 11:40.03 | moshii | brownie17: you could also try buying the dvd.. most if not all of the players support dvd subtitles |
| 11:40.17 | SR|Brunelleschi | update-alternatives --install /usr bin/cdrecord cdrecord /opt/schily/bin/cdrecord 5 |
| 11:40.28 | SR|Brunelleschi | ^this keeps telling me "priority must be an integer" |
| 11:40.35 | SR|Brunelleschi | oops |
| 11:40.58 | Guerin | ignoring for as moment the fact that the difficulties of running dvds ondebian make subtitles look like kiddie play |
| 11:41.01 | SR|Brunelleschi | sorry, lost a / on linewrap. nevermind :) |
| 11:41.39 | moshii | Guerin: install vlc and run the libdecss grabbing script.. not that hard ;) |
| 11:41.52 | Guerin | moshii: it's that easy nowadays? |
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| 11:42.37 | moshii | Guerin: yeah, never tried getting around hardware region protection or anything though |
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| 11:43.05 | Guerin | i think region protection is still illegal in NZ |
| 11:43.41 | moshii | I think it's illegal is oz too, but they made modchips illegal :/ |
| 11:43.43 | brownie17 | moshii, lol, i'm cheap. plus it's a chinese movie. not in aussie stores |
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| 11:44.00 | moshii | brownie17: battle royale? nihon no eiga na |
| 11:44.12 | brownie17 | "nihon no eiga na"? not following |
| 11:44.16 | Guerin | moshii: no, i mean, it's illegal to sell a dvd player which IS region-specific in nz |
| 11:44.22 | moshii | brownie17: Japanese movie no? |
| 11:44.30 | kriel | moshii: anata wa nihon-jin ka? |
| 11:44.40 | Guerin | yes, battle royale is japanese, not chinese |
| 11:44.51 | moshii | kriel: iie, nihongo ga sukoshi dekimasu kedo |
| 11:44.55 | kriel | moshii: ... ... crap. ... i butchered that. >< |
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| 11:45.30 | kriel | moshii: ... I caught no and japanese-speak out of that O.o;; |
| 11:45.55 | Guerin | bah, stupid japanese pres candidate wanrs to rewrite the constitution |
| 11:46.05 | moshii | kriel: no, japanese a little i speak |
| 11:46.07 | Guerin | stupidest idea evar |
| 11:46.37 | kriel | ... ANYway... >> << ... anybody know good places to shop for new(ish) laptops on the net? |
| 11:46.53 | brownie17 | moshii, yes |
| 11:46.58 | moshii | kriel: depends where you are i suppose |
| 11:47.15 | brownie17 | moshii, lol, i'm culturally retarded. sorry :( |
| 11:47.20 | kriel | moshii: anata wa amerikan-jin desu |
| 11:47.29 | moshii | brownie17: I'm pretty sure you can buy battle royale all over the world now .. |
| 11:48.05 | moshii | kriel: bouku wa igirisujin,.. demo ima Gibraltar ni iru 'n da |
| 11:48.23 | brownie17 | moshii, really? cool. the seaqual too? i had a friends who went hunting for it and he couldn't find it. is it really that famous? he said he downloaded it and it was fucking awesome |
| 11:48.29 | kriel | moshii: ... -blinks- ... ... i know barely any... |
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| 11:49.00 | moshii | brownie17: yeah, get ichi the killer while you're at it too |
| 11:49.19 | Guerin | oh, it's all about takashi miike |
| 11:49.30 | Guerin | and kurosawa |
| 11:49.42 | Guerin | Blues Harp is an awesome film |
| 11:49.44 | moshii | kriel: get on mixi or something and you'll pick up Japanese pretty quick |
| 11:49.59 | brownie17 | moshii, really? i think i've heard of that. no idea what it's about |
| 11:50.07 | moshii | kriel: mixi is like japanese myspace |
| 11:50.18 | kriel | moshii: wow... |
| 11:50.48 | moshii | brownie17: a guy that has a chelsea smile and cuts his tounge off yazuka style |
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| 11:51.20 | moshii | kriel: I can send you an invite if you want.. there's even a debian group there :) |
| 11:51.47 | moshii | kriel: or go to www.mixi.jp and bumble through the registration page |
| 11:51.52 | kriel | moshii: really? ^^ hehheh. kay. uhm... can i pm you? |
| 11:52.01 | Guerin | do you have to say kekeke instead of lol? |
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| 11:52.29 | moshii | Guerin: you use the kanji for laugh instead of lol |
| 11:52.33 | kriel | Guerin: how'd you get kekeke out of hehheh? >>; |
| 11:52.38 | Guerin | where's the fun in that |
| 11:52.39 | moshii | Guerin: and the one for tears instead of :( |
| 11:52.48 | moshii | or kaomoji .. |
| 11:53.04 | Guerin | when I was teaching in korea, all the kids, when writing in english, would write 'kkk' instead of laughing |
| 11:53.14 | moshii | ouch |
| 11:53.23 | Guerin | explaining the kkk to korean nine year-olds is not as easy as you might think |
| 11:53.33 | Guerin | you have to start at 'gangster' and go from there |
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| 11:54.28 | moshii | kriel: yeah, install kiten or something first though so you can work out the site |
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| 11:55.01 | kriel | moshii: will it spaz if i try and use it on gnome? |
| 11:55.29 | moshii | kriel: be warned that there are a lot of "I'm ugly to my own so I need a Japanese girlfriend" idiots and they get offended pretty easilly ;) |
| 11:55.49 | moshii | kriel: hmm, in kde it does lookups when you highlight text |
| 11:55.52 | Guerin | yellow fever is ugly in itself |
| 11:56.04 | moshii | kriel: might work in gnome |
| 11:56.36 | ofer0 | I just like that auto bash completion in etch, like after "man" or "sudo". It's just so good. |
| 11:56.59 | simonrvn | you'll love zsh's then |
| 11:57.01 | kriel | moshii: can i /msg you? |
| 11:57.06 | moshii | kriel: sure |
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| 12:00.25 | kriel | moshii: grargh... pm's are blocked >< |
| 12:00.36 | kriel | moshii: can you send an invite to icnothing(at)gmail.com ? please? |
| 12:00.50 | moshii | kriel: are you not registered on freenode? |
| 12:00.58 | kriel | moshii: not yet. |
| 12:01.10 | kriel | moshii: i usually just hit irc.debian.org, i just moved here... last nite or so. |
| 12:02.05 | brownie17 | kriel, why didn't you just do @ |
| 12:03.01 | kriel | brownie17: habit from typing emails out on the internet. -points at crawlers and spambots- |
| 12:03.03 | moshii | kriel: sent, being an american you might take offense to one of the groups i'm in though hehe |
| 12:03.27 | kriel | moshii: pssst. just cause i live here don't mean i am one. >< |
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| 12:03.39 | peterS | he's an illegal alien |
| 12:04.03 | kairu0 | thats a funny term |
| 12:04.12 | kriel | peterS: closer to legal alien. |
| 12:04.15 | kairu0 | can i call a legitimate immigrate a LEGAL alien? |
| 12:04.19 | moshii | kriel: ah, you said you were an amerikanjin .. you should say, ima amerika ni sunde imasu ga, amerikajin dewa nai yo! |
| 12:04.21 | kairu0 | there ya go lol |
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| 12:08.55 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 12:10.36 | simonrvn | ci-mikwec micoomis, for having made me who am i am, and being here, one of your children |
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| 12:25.10 | ootput | moshii: iie |
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| 12:43.13 | nvz | I had amarok running and tried playing a song in cplay and it sounded all crappy with static.. |
| 12:43.31 | nvz | emu10k1 SB Live! shouldnt sound like that |
| 12:44.03 | nvz | even if artsd is running :P |
| 12:44.12 | silverlander | I understand nothing about the difference between woody, sarge, potato, etc and their relation to stable, testing, unstable. Can someone give me a link to an introductory document? |
| 12:44.25 | nvz | !releases |
| 12:44.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 12:44.49 | peterS | silverlander: it's very simple. potato, woody, sarge, etch are different debian releases. 'stable' is whichever one is current at the moment - currently sarge. testing is whichever will be current _next_, currently etch. |
| 12:45.07 | peterS | silverlander: and unstable is just unstable. also known as sid. |
| 12:45.25 | nvz | silverlander: potato woody are oldstable |
| 12:45.55 | peterS | well, woody is oldstable, potato is even older than that |
| 12:46.06 | nvz | historic |
| 12:46.10 | silverlander | ok, thanks guys |
| 12:46.23 | nvz | bo rex and hamm are practically prehistoric |
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| 13:13.01 | JonJ | Does anyone know how to kill or restart the sound system? |
| 13:13.58 | ofer0 | JonJ, and why would you want to do that? |
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| 13:14.46 | JonJ | Because some app that uses the sound system crashed, and now any program using sound crashes. I did find the pid number and did a kill -9 on it, but it didn't help |
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| 13:47.29 | secher | I'm doing a fresh install using the netinst CD on a hybrid SCSI / IDE system. With all said and done, fdisk shows /dev/sdb containing 3 partitions, /boot as sdb1, / as sdb3, and swap as sdb2. sdb3 is toggled bootable, and grub is set to use /deb/sdb as the boot drive on which the loader is installed. However, upon boot, the system reache the load stage, and stops with "Grub loading please wait.....<crlf> Error 15" I've googled |
| 13:47.34 | secher | DAMMIT. |
| 13:47.43 | secher | I hate this client. |
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| 13:49.25 | secher | However, upon boot, the system reaches the load stage, adn stops with "Grub loading please wait.....<crlf> Error 15" I've googled like crazy, found lots of references to Error 15, but all have to do with hte loader gbeing installed on the wrong drive or similar errors, asn such is not the case here. Help? |
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| 13:51.54 | Mr-R | secher: are you sure that you are booting from sdb or could it be an old grub installation on sda/hda? |
| 13:52.10 | roxy_ | why doesn't this work : for var in 2 3 ; do ; echo $var ; done |
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| 13:54.19 | r121 | is there a way to specify that a certain user cannot login remotely, i.e. via SSH? |
| 13:54.21 | roxy_ | what would be a similar working one liner ? |
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| 13:56.25 | r121 | roxy_: take out the ; after do |
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| 13:58.59 | roxy_ | r121: thanks |
| 13:59.11 | r121 | roxy_: np |
| 13:59.34 | Netcad | how can I find out what /dev/ the device on http://pastebin.com/782596 is at? |
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| 13:59.56 | mitja | Hi, I'm running etch/testing and get "Failed to execute message bus daemon: no such file or dir" at login. The session only lasts about 10 secs, then it crashes. How can I fix this? |
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| 14:00.42 | roxy_ | Netcad: you should use pastebin.ca .com is very slow |
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| 14:04.13 | roxy_ | Netcad: what lsusb -t shows ? |
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| 14:07.08 | xored | which package provides Ghostscript ? |
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| 14:07.35 | Maakuth | xored, gs |
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| 14:17.26 | kantlivelong | how do i disable the pam_unix message @ login? |
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| 14:19.38 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 14:19.51 | stoned | good freaking morning |
| 14:20.11 | rysiek|pl | it's afternoon here, but nonetheless good :) |
| 14:21.25 | rysiek|pl | ok, here's the deal: I would dearly love to install xfce4 on my debian stable system, but got advice on basically two different ways of doing it: the os-cillian installers and the apt-get approach. |
| 14:21.49 | stoned | ooh |
| 14:21.51 | rysiek|pl | the question is: which would you guys recommend? |
| 14:21.55 | stoned | don't use oscillation |
| 14:22.09 | stoned | because it conflicts with a libexo dependency |
| 14:22.09 | rysiek|pl | wow, that was fast, thanks |
| 14:22.13 | stoned | version conflict |
| 14:22.16 | stoned | use backports.org |
| 14:22.19 | stoned | !backports |
| 14:22.20 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 14:22.48 | stoned | and xfmedia compiled from oscillation is very buggy |
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| 14:23.43 | rysiek|pl | m'kay, that leaves me with the apt-get approach, thanks |
| 14:24.09 | stoned | !pinning |
| 14:24.09 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 14:24.23 | stoned | pin origin backports.org as 200 priority |
| 14:24.37 | stoned | then use apt-get install -t sarge-backports xfce4 |
| 14:24.39 | stoned | etc. |
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| 14:25.16 | rysiek|pl | wait, why would I need to use backports? I can see xfce4 in my available packages even without that |
| 14:25.28 | stoned | stable, afaik comes with 4.0 |
| 14:25.52 | stoned | 4.2 is much better, and has been stable for a while, it probably didn't make it into sarge because sarge froze before xfce4.2 came out |
| 14:25.56 | rysiek|pl | ahh, right |
| 14:25.56 | stoned | !info xfce4 sarge |
| 14:26.03 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 14:26.07 | stoned | yup |
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| 14:26.10 | stoned | 4,0 |
| 14:26.43 | rysiek|pl | pinning apt than |
| 14:26.47 | rysiek|pl | *then |
| 14:26.57 | stoned | smoking a bowl here |
| 14:26.58 | stoned | :D |
| 14:27.05 | stoned | damn good budd |
| 14:27.06 | stoned | wake n bake |
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| 14:27.29 | rysiek|pl | goddamit, maybe I just go and have a beer in that case |
| 14:27.50 | stoned | rysiek|pl, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
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| 14:31.49 | DaB|ade | Does anyone know the mplayer options needed to strip the sound from a wmv file and then convert it to mp3? |
| 14:32.30 | rysiek|pl | ummm... tried man mplayer? |
| 14:32.34 | DaB|ade | yeah |
| 14:32.41 | DaB|ade | Too much stuff to figure out. |
| 14:32.46 | DaB|ade | *mencoder, not mplayer |
| 14:33.59 | bkw | pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libcomedi-0.7.22_0.7.22-2.2+b1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:33.59 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.59 | bkw | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 14:34.23 | bkw | How do I get rid of that during a dist-upgrade that aborts? |
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| 14:34.46 | DaB|ade | remove libcomedi0? |
| 14:34.53 | rysiek|pl | DaB|ade: -dumpaudio (MPlayer only) ? |
| 14:35.03 | DaB|ade | rysiek|pl: That's it? |
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| 14:35.32 | rysiek|pl | DaB|ade: just giving you a hint, I'm reading man mencoder right now :) |
| 14:35.38 | DaB|ade | ok |
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| 14:36.18 | rysiek|pl | this command will dump audiu to a raw audio file. you can use sox and lame to have it mp3 encoded |
| 14:36.22 | rysiek|pl | *audio |
| 14:36.33 | asg | bkw: dpkg --force-help |
| 14:37.03 | DaB|ade | It just says stream.dump |
| 14:37.15 | rysiek|pl | DaB|ade: or at least that's what I can make out of manpage ;) |
| 14:37.20 | DaB|ade | ok |
| 14:37.27 | rysiek|pl | yeah, "Dumps raw compressed audio stream to" |
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| 14:37.54 | bkw | apt-get remove libcomedi0 throws other errors |
| 14:38.00 | bkw | unmet deps |
| 14:38.04 | DaB|ade | install them? |
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| 14:39.05 | rysiek|pl | gtg, cu all, thx stoned |
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| 14:39.22 | asg | bkw: try 'apt-get -f install' first |
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| 14:40.05 | bkw | http://pastebin.ca/159790 is what I get |
| 14:40.36 | asg | bkw: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:41.11 | bkw | I was on stable but changed to testing and after that I did dist-upgrade. |
| 14:41.33 | bkw | I thought it would go smoothly to do that, but I was wrong. |
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| 14:41.56 | asg | bkw: well, the upgrade from stable to testing isn't guaranteed. You'll have to forcibly remove the packages causing problems first. |
| 14:42.09 | asg | bkw: xfree86 has been removed from etch, which is why you are getting the error |
| 14:42.36 | bkw | http://pastebin.ca/159791 is what apt-get -f install gives |
| 14:42.39 | RichiH | and a good thing, also |
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| 14:43.05 | asg | RichiH: not really, I have video cards that only work with X version 3. |
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| 14:43.58 | RichiH | asg: sucks to be you, then ;) |
| 14:44.09 | asg | RichiH: quite so |
| 14:44.24 | RichiH | asg: seriously though, i thought xorg had all the drivers and more? |
| 14:44.29 | RichiH | well, obviously not |
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| 14:45.03 | asg | RichiH: I haven't tried with xorg but I know that all versions of XFree84 4.x didn't support the card. |
| 14:45.26 | RichiH | bleh |
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| 14:49.32 | Kurtism | what's better wpa or wep? |
| 14:49.56 | asg | Kurtism: wpa. |
| 14:50.02 | Kurtism | ok |
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| 14:53.06 | urandom | hello people |
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| 15:02.17 | RichiH | hrm, how do i start X automagically? fluxbox/xdm does not seem to do that by default |
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| 15:04.10 | xored | when i paste into vim frame pastbin, he is making an ident for each line. How can i stop this ? |
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| 15:04.56 | riot | xored: have the same problem - no direct solution: but try using gvim instead. |
| 15:05.18 | Citadel | hey peeps I'm a debian newb. I'm used to doing the kernel install myself and ./configure deal on my slackware box. I have aptitude and want to get a 2.6 kernel working with all the sources. |
| 15:05.32 | xored | riot: |
| 15:05.40 | xored | riot : before you pate "set paste" |
| 15:05.52 | iter | anyone here have a router with DD-WRT or openWRT on it? |
| 15:05.53 | xored | riot: when you are done, set nopaste |
| 15:05.59 | xored | riot: and it works |
| 15:06.10 | riot | xored: hmhmmmm.. thats pretty stupid.. i don't wanna type commands every time i paste stuff |
| 15:06.18 | iter | I want to know if it's possible to have both WEP and WPA networks on the same router/ap |
| 15:06.44 | riot | vi can't be that stupid. other programs get it right, too.. even emacs |
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| 15:07.06 | riot | (at least i guess so, wouldn't try that one out..) |
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| 15:07.38 | Citadel | currently uname -a = 2.6.12-9-386 seems I need to make kernel-tree header source and more all are "the same" please recommend latest 2.6 stable kthx. |
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| 15:10.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:10.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:16.14 | karrot-x | spoons > the number 9 |
| 15:16.57 | Breetai | All the screensavers show up on my system menu, how do I stop this???? |
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| 15:25.59 | biz | is there a way print pdf files direclty from console? i'm using cups |
| 15:27.57 | marculix | biz: lpr your.pdf |
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| 15:29.16 | Luke-Jr | can apt-get operate on a root other than /? |
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| 15:31.16 | biz | marculix: what, thats all? thanks (: |
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| 15:33.09 | SmallR2002 | does anyone know [of a program which will/how to] change the time/date on photos to what the exif data says it is? |
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| 15:36.46 | ktwilight | ? |
| 15:37.35 | epsilon | which one should I take: ispell or aspell if I have the choice? |
| 15:37.49 | cahoot | SmallR2002: exiv2 - EXIF/IPTC metadata manipulation tool ? |
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| 15:38.03 | SmallR2002 | i want to take a batch of photos and set their date to be the exif date, instead of the one which resulted from copying them around a bit |
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| 15:38.12 | SmallR2002 | i'll have a look cahoot |
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| 15:38.45 | cahoot | SmallR2002: but you really want to manipulate the file date? |
| 15:39.02 | SmallR2002 | i want to manipulate the file date to the exif date |
| 15:39.36 | SmallR2002 | basically, the file date and the exif date contradict each other because i've moved the files around a fair bit |
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| 15:40.26 | karrot-x | has anyone here used ispconfig yet? |
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| 15:41.24 | tuv | Luke-Jr, if it's installed in the other root, chroot and it will |
| 15:44.41 | Weedy_laptop | oi small question |
| 15:45.13 | Weedy_laptop | i installed my backup mysql data base and it looks like a nuked the debian maint user |
| 15:45.20 | Weedy_laptop | can i regen that? |
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| 15:49.42 | iter | Weedy_laptop: was the user in the previous database? |
| 15:49.55 | Weedy_laptop | no |
| 15:50.05 | Weedy_laptop | it not from debian |
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| 15:50.55 | iter | hmm if it did you could just relink the account |
| 15:50.57 | piper69 | i was running stable 3.1 and someone here was trying to help and told me to run apt-get dist-upgrade, now when i reboot i got alot of errors ...is there is a way i can uninstall this upgrade and use my old one please help |
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| 15:53.37 | Kurtism | something very very weird is going on.... can somebody tell me why my 100mbit wired LAN connection to my debian box is only transfering files at 2MB/second |
| 15:53.48 | SmallR2002 | cahoot, exiv2 did it, many thanks :) |
| 15:54.08 | Kurtism | from WinSCP on WindowsXP to Debian box |
| 15:54.16 | Kurtism | both network cards are 100mbit |
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| 15:55.18 | Kurtism | get this though... my wireless connection will transfer files at over 2MB/second though |
| 15:55.22 | Kurtism | why is that? |
| 15:55.24 | Kurtism | anybody? |
| 15:55.25 | dsop | Kundo, maybe because of the ssl encryption? |
| 15:55.33 | dsop | not Kundo , sry Kurtism |
| 15:55.48 | Kurtism | both the 100mbit and the wireless are transfering using WinSCP |
| 15:55.55 | Kurtism | the wireless is transfering faster than the wired |
| 15:56.05 | Kurtism | how can that possibly be |
| 15:56.40 | Trewas | Kurtism: from my experience winscp is horribly slow, probably because of very, very bad encryption implementations |
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| 15:56.54 | Bushmills | moshii: ping |
| 15:56.55 | Kurtism | what can I use that is faster? |
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| 15:58.55 | Trewas | cygwin's scp :P |
| 15:59.17 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 15:59.53 | Trewas | maybe filezilla is better than winscp, though it was also slow last time I tried it but that was a long time ago |
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| 16:01.06 | Kurtism | there has got to be a way of testing my network speed |
| 16:01.12 | Kurtism | maybe my switch is screwed up |
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| 16:01.25 | Kurtism | I should be getting almost 10MB/s with a 100mbit switch |
| 16:02.01 | Kurtism | not less than 2 |
| 16:02.15 | Trewas | yes you should, but winscp on my amd64 3000+ gets about 1.5MB/s with aes-encryption and is purely cpu-limited |
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| 16:02.22 | Kurtism | do you guys know of any guides to increasing lan performance in unix? |
| 16:02.33 | Trewas | while cygwin's scp gets easily to 10MB/s |
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| 16:02.51 | Kurtism | ok cygwin's scp has a gui? |
| 16:03.37 | Trewas | nope, and it is pain in the ass to install, just demonstrating that winscp is slow and definitely wrong program to test network speeds :) |
| 16:03.46 | scentless | helo im trying to play hd 720p video on my debian but it doesnt work, with vlc at least, any tips? |
| 16:04.03 | tuv | scentless, mplayer |
| 16:04.06 | epsilon | cygwin is pain in the ass |
| 16:04.11 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
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| 16:04.25 | tuv | epsilon, windows rather is |
| 16:04.26 | epsilon | you don't want it just for scp |
| 16:04.28 | Kurtism | I need a more effective way of transfering large files to my debian box |
| 16:04.40 | epsilon | you don't trust the connection? |
| 16:04.43 | Kurtism | WinSCP is apparently brutally slow |
| 16:04.50 | Kurtism | well its in my LAN |
| 16:04.55 | scentless | tuv: and except mplayer? |
| 16:04.56 | epsilon | ? |
| 16:05.00 | Kurtism | but its also wireless and wired |
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| 16:05.36 | Kurtism | when I connect to the Wireless ipaddress and transfer a file it goes faster than when I connect to the wired ip and transfer a file |
| 16:07.41 | piper69 | can some one help me please |
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| 16:11.03 | asulao | hi. is it possible to have syslogd to write remote incoming remote logs to different places depending on where the log comes from? |
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| 16:13.29 | piper69 | i am getting a "Use 'setkeycode e001 <keycode>' to maike it know" what is that |
| 16:13.31 | piper69 | ?? |
| 16:15.05 | piper69 | !dpkg apt |
| 16:15.06 | dpkg | somebody said apt was Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
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| 16:15.49 | piper69 | !dpkg apt-get |
| 16:15.50 | dpkg | i guess apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 16:18.08 | hjubal | bbl |
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| 16:20.38 | Weedy_laptop | who can i force it to remake debian-maint-user ? |
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| 16:21.08 | epsilon | nobody maybe |
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| 16:21.31 | p3rti | hi |
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| 16:22.03 | Weedy_laptop | ahh should have thought of it |
| 16:22.04 | p3rti | how can i use two different X session with one agp video card with two monitors output? |
| 16:22.07 | Weedy_laptop | --reinstall |
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| 16:25.44 | piper69 | i have to run dmesg -n 1 everytime i reboot other wise i'll keep getting keycode error...can someone help me |
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| 16:43.22 | poh | when I installed ifrename, it put it in /etc/init.c, but did not put any links in the rcX.d directories. What link should I create to ensure that it runs at boot time? |
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| 16:45.38 | EbiTheYena | Hello. Do any of you know if there are any problems of any kind with running debian on an Apple PowerBook G4 17"? |
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| 16:48.34 | mirak | does anyone ever used Bonding ? |
| 16:49.20 | amar-ze | hi, can anyone give me mirrors where I can apt-get new versions of firefox,amsn,xchat,thunderbird etc... all I have is this mirror in sources.list deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 16:49.24 | blondie | EbiTheYena: worked on my 12" one c.c |
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| 16:49.55 | pyxel | amar-ze: use back ports |
| 16:50.01 | poh | amar-ze: check out apt-get.org |
| 16:50.11 | EbiTheYena | blondie: WIFI and hibernation too? |
| 16:50.26 | amar-ze | pyxel how to use back ports |
| 16:50.28 | blondie | lol, no |
| 16:50.31 | pyxel | amar-ze: if you want to use new application on your stable system, check http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 16:50.42 | amar-ze | k |
| 16:50.45 | blondie | didnt try |
| 16:51.12 | pyxel | amar-ze: backports are new version of application compiler for working on stable system, because there are not officialy marked as "stable" |
| 16:51.32 | pyxel | amar-ze: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions follow this how to |
| 16:51.45 | amar-ze | okay thanks pyxel |
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| 16:52.40 | pyxel | amar-ze: you are welcome |
| 16:52.42 | muaddib | Can somone explain this... After a period of about 24 hours atleast 70% of memeory is marked as used under top but looking at all the processes I am pretty sure that adding the memory consuption does total the ammount being reported by top or free. Is that normal |
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| 16:54.35 | pickcoder | muaddib: do you have a dual-core proc? |
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| 16:55.14 | berzerka | how do i configure the nice value for my Xorg server? |
| 16:55.32 | berzerka | want it to have slightly lower priority than jack. |
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| 16:59.23 | seeker | Heyas all. Fresh Deb install, when it starts to load grub, I get an 'error 15'. grub installed to /dev/sdb with no errors. /dev/sdb is 3 partitions, sdb1=/boot, sdb3=/, sdb2=swap (at end of disk). There are more details, I just don't want to swamp the channel. Can anyone please help? |
| 16:59.23 | rokstar | is someone noticing performance problem with firefox and SID? |
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| 17:00.13 | seeker | I've been working on this for a long time, and I'm really frustrated. |
| 17:01.44 | rokstar | seeker: the error message before "error 15"? Did you use a verbose installation? |
| 17:04.04 | seeker | rokstar: it says "GRUB loading stage1.5.<crlf>Grub loading, please wait...<crlf>Error 15". a verbose install? If I understand you correctly, I have done a grub install from Knoppix, which is how I know it returned no errors. I booted Knoppix and chrooted. |
| 17:05.18 | Luke-Jr | tuv: it's not; the other root won't be usable |
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| 17:07.54 | rokstar | seeker: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/67785-external-usb-install-grub-error-15-a.html |
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| 17:09.04 | Luke-Jr | tuv: really, all I want is to extract a package and its dependencies into a dir... |
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| 17:09.27 | roxy_ | shouldn't "grep a.\? foo" and "egrep a.? foo" match the same thing ? |
| 17:09.58 | cmerck | How do I control what window manager is executed when i run vncserver from console? |
| 17:10.40 | cmerck | i want to startup fluxbox with vnc but gnome allways starts instead! |
| 17:11.24 | roxy_ | got it, it grep a.\\? works, shell pb :-) |
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| 17:12.00 | mccoy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.15 | cmerck | mccoy_, /part? |
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| 17:16.02 | blackelf | which file system is easly growable, when I in example resize the partition? |
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| 17:17.36 | Luke-Jr | blackelf: ext3 w/ LVM IIRC |
| 17:18.43 | Tallu | yeah ext3 w/ LVM is just great |
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| 17:20.18 | pihhan | hi |
| 17:20.24 | pihhan | can i ask a little favor? |
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| 17:20.35 | jesseman_ | absolutely |
| 17:20.48 | pihhan | can someone look for fingerprint at https://c.msn.com for me? |
| 17:21.11 | pihhan | i know its microsoft's :) |
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| 17:22.33 | pihhan | Fingerprint : (MD5) CA F3 E4 3D E1 D8 37 B3 3B AC 6A AD 64 CF 6E 6E |
| 17:22.34 | pihhan | Fingerprint : (SHA-1) 8D A6 FB 41 4B 3E 4C 30 AE 02 1A 59 54 78 B1 93 8F 19 0B 95 |
| 17:23.05 | pihhan | these are what i see, but this certificate authority is unknown to me |
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| 17:24.36 | rshakin | hey if i wanted to copy the a dir over scp to a remove box how would i do it |
| 17:25.08 | zamolxes | -r |
| 17:25.31 | zamolxes | when you think "directory" you think "recursive" |
| 17:25.37 | blackelf | Luke-Jr: Tallu: do I need LVM? I will grow the underling device otherwise, it is a loop device actually. |
| 17:25.47 | zamolxes | so read the manual page and look for recursive, whatever your task is |
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| 17:26.02 | iter | rshakin: scp ./a/ user@remote.box:/a/ |
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| 17:26.20 | zamolxes | .. |
| 17:26.45 | rshakin | thanx |
| 17:26.56 | iter | sho |
| 17:26.57 | blackelf | pihhan: how to look up this fingerprint |
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| 17:27.22 | pihhan | you click on lock in address bar in firefox |
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| 17:27.35 | iter | rshakin: btw that will put /a in the root dir of the target machine |
| 17:27.36 | pihhan | it should alert you as this certificate is strange |
| 17:27.46 | Suprano__ | i can i install kscope using apt? i can'T find this paket.. ( i tryed the debian search engine..) |
| 17:27.46 | pihhan | and offer you to examine of view details |
| 17:27.49 | rshakin | yeah i know thanx |
| 17:27.49 | Suprano__ | *how |
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| 17:28.48 | blackelf | so I can create ext3 on a file foo.loop "device", and then resize the foo.loop ? how then to grow ext3? |
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| 17:29.42 | coach | hi@all |
| 17:29.50 | Suprano__ | hi |
| 17:29.57 | coach | i've got a problem... |
| 17:30.29 | coach | which mouse-protocol should i use with my old ps2 mouse? |
| 17:30.51 | Tallu | blackelf: well LVM is nice cause you can have diff partitions take up different amounts of space, like you can reserve a certain amount for /var so /home wont take up that space, and when you need to alter those sizes, LVM comes into play |
| 17:30.56 | coach | (my xf86 doesn't want to start^^) |
| 17:31.01 | Tallu | blackelf: but if you just have one big partition then you've no need for lvm really |
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| 17:31.51 | coach | so? i wrote 'ExplorerPS/2' |
| 17:32.00 | coach | but i don't work |
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| 17:32.04 | coach | +t |
| 17:32.11 | blackelf | Tallu: and what is the command? in example I just resized /dev/hda1 or /dev/loop1, there is ext3 fs on it, how to tell it reorganize and use all space? |
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| 17:34.02 | coach | so? |
| 17:34.10 | rshakin | ok this is going to sound stupid... but anyone know where outlook keeps it's mailbox file |
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| 17:34.26 | rshakin | i am trying to recover a clients computer |
| 17:34.37 | Shadow_wolf | I have a mac puzzle if anyone is up to trying it |
| 17:34.51 | coach | i use an old ps2 mouse, imps don't work, so, what do i have to choose then? |
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| 17:35.42 | amar_ | what is apt mirror for w32codecs,mplayer, real player etc... |
| 17:35.44 | Shadow_wolf | i have a file on a mac pb 3400 running debian....using quik bootloader....quik puked and died leaving with no access to be able to boot.... |
| 17:35.50 | seeker | rokstar: I just did the following: I rebooted into Knoppix, mounted all of the system drives, checked their filesystems, all looked fine. I checked the filesystems vs grub's map, all was still fine. I did grub-install *again* but this time using grub label for /dev/sdb I'd gotten from grub .map. Grub returned clean. Reboot. Error 15 *again*. |
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| 17:36.37 | Shadow_wolf | however, i just managed to boot from the os 9 cd and establish an ethernet connection to this pc running ubuntu where i want the file to be |
| 17:36.55 | Shadow_wolf | i can access my home directory from the laptop, but i need to have it the other way round |
| 17:37.16 | coach | ... |
| 17:37.20 | coach | hello? |
| 17:37.27 | coach | anyone here willing to help me? |
| 17:37.30 | seeker | at this point I may just go back to Lilo, she never did this to me. This is the third strike for grub. Two other times it's caused me way more hassle than it should and I've gone back to Lilo with 0 problem. |
| 17:37.30 | coach | please? |
| 17:37.40 | coach | i'm lost without your help |
| 17:37.40 | syntaxx | !ask |
| 17:37.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:37.57 | coach | ... |
| 17:38.07 | coach | syntaxx: i wrote my problem 3 times... |
| 17:38.19 | Shadow_wolf | !ask |
| 17:38.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:38.24 | syntaxx | coach, well if no one answer no knows your problem then |
| 17:38.29 | coach | ... |
| 17:38.42 | coach | syntaxx: it should be easy for one of you |
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| 17:38.59 | coach | syntaxx: my xf86 won't start because of the wrong mouse-protocol |
| 17:39.02 | blackelf | so what is the command to grow ext3 |
| 17:39.10 | Shadow_wolf | don't look at me, i'm a burned out tow truck driver just trying to get a file for my bankruptcy lawyer....heh |
| 17:39.18 | coach | syntaxx: i've got an old ps2 mouse, imps doenst work |
| 17:39.25 | seeker | coach, please repost your question. |
| 17:39.28 | syntaxx | coach, have you tried to use gpm? |
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| 17:39.50 | coach | syntaxx: no, i only know imps, that was my problem^^ |
| 17:40.29 | coach | syntaxx: only gpm in my xorgconfig or something like pgmPS/2? |
| 17:40.31 | Shadow_wolf | i feel that i am THIS close to fishing that file out.....just need the missing pearl of wisdom to properly utilize this ethernet connection |
| 17:40.52 | syntaxx | coach, apt-get install gpm first |
| 17:40.58 | coach | kk, w8 |
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| 17:41.17 | simonrvn | weight? |
| 17:41.17 | seeker | !u |
| 17:41.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:41.32 | Shadow_wolf | lol |
| 17:41.51 | Shadow_wolf | in my misery, i can still enjoy the humor there |
| 17:42.00 | Shadow_wolf | please, please, PLE |
| 17:42.05 | Shadow_wolf | oops |
| 17:42.05 | EdLin | !w8 |
| 17:42.05 | dpkg | Wait. I'll tell you in a minute. |
| 17:42.06 | simonrvn | misery, like happiness, passes |
| 17:42.12 | Shadow_wolf | yes |
| 17:42.19 | Shadow_wolf | but my phone rings twenty times a day |
| 17:42.24 | Shadow_wolf | bill collectors |
| 17:42.29 | simonrvn | :( |
| 17:42.35 | Shadow_wolf | now they have my cell too |
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| 17:42.42 | Shadow_wolf | in order to make this stop |
| 17:42.46 | Shadow_wolf | i MUST have this file |
| 17:42.50 | Shadow_wolf | i worked HOURS on |
| 17:42.54 | syntaxx | coach, then when in configuring read you will know the mouse port that you need to use |
| 17:42.56 | Shadow_wolf | days actually |
| 17:42.58 | simonrvn | just hang in there... takes a lot of strength to stand up to greedy pigs |
| 17:43.20 | coach | syntaxx: thx, i will try... |
| 17:43.27 | seeker | Shadow_wolf: misery loves company, lets go get drunk and hit on chicks that are way to high maintanance to even entertain dating. |
| 17:43.33 | Shadow_wolf | i already paid the bankruptcy leech a grand now i just have to get this file emailed to him |
| 17:43.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:43.41 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:43.52 | Shadow_wolf | !lawyer |
| 17:44.01 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: what happened to it? just a matter of finding it? |
| 17:44.02 | Shadow_wolf | wonder if it had one for that |
| 17:44.07 | Shadow_wolf | ok |
| 17:44.09 | simonrvn | !lawyers |
| 17:44.09 | dpkg | Let's kill all the lawyers. |
| 17:44.16 | Shadow_wolf | the file i need is on this powerbook |
| 17:44.22 | SR|Brunelleschi | they're time travelling elves! |
| 17:44.22 | Shadow_wolf | it was running debian etch |
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| 17:44.31 | Shadow_wolf | quik bootloader |
| 17:44.32 | yanmorin | !dpkg -s dpkg |
| 17:44.32 | dpkg | Badgers ate my dpkg! |
| 17:44.33 | Shadow_wolf | quik died |
| 17:44.33 | badgers | wish i knew, dpkg |
| 17:44.41 | simonrvn | oh, i see |
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| 17:44.46 | seeker | Shadow_wolf: I missed the original question, I just lost a hard drive and had to learn to recover docs from it, I may be able to help. |
| 17:44.53 | Shadow_wolf | now i have it booted on a mac os 9 cd |
| 17:45.06 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: sure it's quik and not yaboot? older PB? |
| 17:45.09 | Shadow_wolf | i have the laptop able to read the home directory on this box |
| 17:45.14 | Shadow_wolf | oldworld |
| 17:45.19 | Shadow_wolf | powerbook 3400 |
| 17:45.20 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 17:45.23 | simonrvn | ooh |
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| 17:45.38 | Shadow_wolf | sooooo i am in mac os9, booted from the cd |
| 17:45.42 | Shadow_wolf | on the laptop |
| 17:45.51 | simonrvn | do you have a floppy drive on it? |
| 17:45.53 | Shadow_wolf | and i can read my home directory on the pc ubuntu box |
| 17:45.57 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:46.13 | Shadow_wolf | the ubuntu box is acting as the server |
| 17:46.23 | simonrvn | well, i'll leave you to find it then :) |
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| 17:46.25 | suppaman | hello |
| 17:46.33 | Shadow_wolf | is there any way that i can utilize this ethernet connection |
| 17:46.35 | rokstar | does anybody noticed huge amount of resource on certain sites with firefox? |
| 17:46.44 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: for the PB? |
| 17:46.49 | suppaman | what is the proper way to start a program as an user at boot time ? |
| 17:46.51 | Shadow_wolf | so i can read the powerbook from the pc box |
| 17:47.03 | Shadow_wolf | i have it ass backwards here |
| 17:47.18 | Shadow_wolf | i can read the pc from the mac but i need it the other way round |
| 17:47.19 | roxy_ | is there a C-something that I could use instead of ESC in vi ? |
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| 17:47.44 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 17:47.47 | Shadow_wolf | since there is an open connection, there must be some way of doing it |
| 17:48.05 | Breetai | High Everyone. All the screensavers show up on my system menu, how do I stop this???? |
| 17:48.07 | seeker | Shadow_wolf: Now I'm really confused. you need to get a file from the pc or the mac? |
| 17:48.11 | suppaman | Shadow_wolf: what do you mean by saying "I can read" |
| 17:48.24 | roxy_ | suppaman: put a script in /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc |
| 17:48.31 | suppaman | Breetai: it depends mainly on your desktop system |
| 17:48.32 | Shadow_wolf | i need to get a file from the mac to the pc |
| 17:48.37 | simonrvn | Breetai: no, i'm not high |
| 17:48.41 | Shadow_wolf | the mac has debian on the hd |
| 17:48.42 | suppaman | roxy_: as user ? |
| 17:48.50 | seeker | Shadow: and you're able to mount the mac'd drive? |
| 17:48.53 | Shadow_wolf | and the mac is currently booted from a mac os9 cd |
| 17:49.05 | Shadow_wolf | i went into the chooser |
| 17:49.14 | Shadow_wolf | put in the ip address of this box |
| 17:49.18 | simonrvn | too bad there's no appletalk clients in linux |
| 17:49.23 | Shadow_wolf | there is |
| 17:49.28 | seeker | can you ssh to the mac? |
| 17:49.30 | simonrvn | used to, but it's ancient |
| 17:49.32 | Breetai | Ok, I am using XFCE4, and the menu generator has several xfce4 items and an "append system menu" item which has Accessories, Games, .., System |
| 17:49.33 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 17:49.39 | Shadow_wolf | ssh |
| 17:49.40 | Shadow_wolf | hmmm |
| 17:49.43 | seeker | Shadow_wolf: can you ssh tohte mac? |
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| 17:50.00 | seeker | Shadow_wolf: if you can ssh to the mac, you can get the file. |
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| 17:50.35 | Shadow_wolf | no ssh |
| 17:50.36 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: what's it do when you try to boot with quik? |
| 17:50.36 | Breetai | The funny thing is all the /menu places I can find, do not list the rss-glx or xscreensaver-gl or xscreensaver-gl-extra menu hints files. |
| 17:50.37 | roxy_ | suppaman: I usually use start-stop-daemon |
| 17:50.50 | Shadow_wolf | can't ssh into mac os, i don't think....but i tried |
| 17:50.58 | suppaman | roxy_: we're not getting to the poing |
| 17:51.00 | suppaman | point |
| 17:51.00 | simonrvn | no sshd in mock os 9 |
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| 17:51.45 | vicmic | can somebody help me installing madwifi |
| 17:51.51 | vicmic | im newbie on this |
| 17:51.51 | seeker | Is there a telnet equivalent to sshfs? |
| 17:52.08 | Luke-Jr | telnet should die |
| 17:52.14 | suppaman | Shadow_wolf: I didn't read it all, you've got a pb with System 9 and you want to copy a file from the pb to a pc, right ? |
| 17:52.19 | seeker | Luke: whatever.... |
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| 17:52.24 | Shadow_wolf | ok.... |
| 17:52.33 | Shadow_wolf | the powerbook has debian that won't boot |
| 17:52.35 | simonrvn | seeker: write one |
| 17:52.48 | simonrvn | i doubt anyone would use it ;) |
| 17:52.51 | Shadow_wolf | so i booted the powerbook from the os9 cd |
| 17:52.54 | vikwitit | how can i install madwifi on my debian box? |
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| 17:53.10 | suppaman | roxy_: I think services launched as daemon run as root, I need to run this one as an user, how can I do that ? |
| 17:53.11 | seeker | simonrvn: I was just asking if there was, so I could help Shadow_wolf. |
| 17:53.18 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: dude, i run old macs in linux |
| 17:53.33 | Shadow_wolf | i went to the chooser and put in the ip address |
| 17:53.49 | Shadow_wolf | i am now able to browse my home directory on this box from the mac |
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| 17:53.55 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:54.01 | chris_white | hi |
| 17:54.03 | vikwitit | somebody knows how to install madwifi??? |
| 17:54.09 | suppaman | Shadow_wolf: has the box got linux on it ? |
| 17:54.20 | Shadow_wolf | however, what i want is to be able to access the debian on the hd and snake out the file and put it on this linux box |
| 17:54.22 | suppaman | vikwitit: neverheard |
| 17:54.23 | chris_white | I have a problem using kpowersave with debian sid. It gives me an error about not being able to connect to dbus but dbus seems to be installed properly. anybody else experiencing problems? |
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| 17:54.45 | vikwitit | madwifi is for install wirless drivers |
| 17:54.47 | Shadow_wolf | i have tried to make a boot floppy |
| 17:54.51 | Shadow_wolf | for the powerbook |
| 17:54.55 | Shadow_wolf | with no luck |
| 17:54.58 | vikwitit | but i dont know how to install the packaged |
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| 17:55.11 | Shadow_wolf | i don't know the proper open firmware commands to get it to boot on its own |
| 17:55.12 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: no luck how? what happened? |
| 17:55.19 | vikwitit | so i need some help installing them |
| 17:55.22 | Shadow_wolf | it spit out the floppy |
| 17:55.27 | suppaman | Shadow_wolf: I think you'll need to fix the debian boot then, depending on the filesystem used, I fear you'll not be able to access the ext2.. |
| 17:55.49 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: just a simple 'bye' and having the floppy inserted already |
| 17:55.49 | Shadow_wolf | it's ext2 |
| 17:55.59 | Shadow_wolf | i tried that |
| 17:56.03 | Shadow_wolf | i typed bye |
| 17:56.04 | suppaman | Shadow_wolf: a quick solution would be to burn a *ubuntu live ppc cdrom |
| 17:56.08 | Shadow_wolf | and it spit it out |
| 17:56.11 | simonrvn | you sure you had the right floppy? |
| 17:56.17 | roxy_ | suppaman: do you have mysql running ? It is a daemon running as mysql user. |
| 17:56.20 | Shadow_wolf | yes |
| 17:56.22 | simonrvn | make sure you use sarge floppy images |
| 17:56.28 | Shadow_wolf | i dd'd a powerpc image |
| 17:56.35 | suppaman | roxy_: dunno |
| 17:56.36 | Shadow_wolf | and it's running etch |
| 17:56.40 | suppaman | roxy_: I'll check |
| 17:56.49 | simonrvn | though the offcial ones lack the right bits to make them bootable |
| 17:56.52 | suppaman | roxy_: nope |
| 17:56.56 | simonrvn | sec |
| 17:57.09 | seeker | vikwitit: http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi but replace kernel-source with linux-source. |
| 17:57.36 | vikwitit | ok |
| 17:57.43 | simonrvn | http://people.debian.org/~luther/ |
| 17:57.57 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: ^^ look for d-i or debian-installer |
| 17:58.11 | suppaman | how can I run a command as another user ? |
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| 17:58.33 | seeker | Do you think Shadow_wolf would be able to run an install disk up to the partition drive bet, drop to the console, mouint the drives, chroot and go from there? |
| 17:58.33 | simonrvn | and make sure you get some older ones, like around this date: 2005-06-15 |
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| 17:58.53 | simonrvn | seeker: i know what i'm doing |
| 17:59.40 | seeker | simonrvn: I have no doubt. I was looking around for solutins, not second guessing yours. relax man, just trying to help. YOu taking mwilson's place? |
| 17:59.41 | Shadow_wolf | d-i images? |
| 18:00.40 | simonrvn | seeker: no, and i'm not upset or anything. sorry if i upset you |
| 18:00.57 | Shadow_wolf | ok...i have the file |
| 18:00.58 | Shadow_wolf | now |
| 18:01.04 | Shadow_wolf | what was the command to dd it again |
| 18:01.12 | Shadow_wolf | brain tired |
| 18:01.24 | simonrvn | dd if=the.img of=/dev/fd0 |
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| 18:01.32 | seeker | simonrvn: just a misunderstanding.. all good. |
| 18:01.47 | roxy_ | suppaman: do a shell script that launch the program putting su - user before, put the shell in /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:02.19 | vikwitit | i cant, can somebody help me installing the madwifi packages |
| 18:02.28 | simonrvn | start-stop-daemon can run a binary as another user |
| 18:02.30 | pickcoder | grr.. hylafax is going nutz with wedged emails |
| 18:02.38 | Shadow_wolf | one boot floppy grinding away |
| 18:02.42 | simonrvn | !madwifi |
| 18:02.42 | dpkg | methinks madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 18:02.54 | simonrvn | go see there vikwitit ^^ |
| 18:02.59 | suppaman | roxy_: so I've to use su |
| 18:03.25 | simonrvn | suppaman: man start-stop-daemon if it's to manipulate a daemon |
| 18:03.37 | seeker | Umm.. I seem to remember someone mentioning a channel dedicated to booting, does anyone know the name offhand? Or is there a way to grep through the channel list? |
| 18:03.45 | Shadow_wolf | ok, floppy in, about to boot |
| 18:04.03 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:04.18 | seeker | Thanks Simon. |
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| 18:05.38 | Shadow_wolf | great now the thing won't start |
| 18:05.42 | PepperBob | hi guys! |
| 18:05.44 | Shadow_wolf | no power on |
| 18:05.46 | Shadow_wolf | wonderful |
| 18:05.50 | simonrvn | :( |
| 18:06.04 | PepperBob | can someone explain to me where i can find all the definitions for environment variables? |
| 18:06.11 | Shadow_wolf | wait, i hear life |
| 18:06.23 | Shadow_wolf | ooo |
| 18:06.25 | simonrvn | PepperBob: there is no grand list of env. vars. |
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| 18:06.27 | Shadow_wolf | i got a penguin |
| 18:06.45 | Shadow_wolf | and now a big red x |
| 18:06.49 | simonrvn | have the root.img too? you'll need it, and have a paper clip handy |
| 18:06.50 | Shadow_wolf | in the middle of penguin |
| 18:06.51 | PepperBob | simonrvn: so where is LANG definied? |
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| 18:06.52 | simonrvn | damn |
| 18:07.00 | simonrvn | PepperBob: man locales |
| 18:07.03 | simonrvn | i think |
| 18:07.24 | simonrvn | ok, remove the s |
| 18:07.32 | vikwitit | how can i check what kernel version do i havo on my box |
| 18:07.32 | PepperBob | thx |
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| 18:07.52 | sepski | vikwitit, uname -a |
| 18:08.01 | simonrvn | vikwitit: uname -a, -r, etc. man uname |
| 18:08.34 | Shadow_wolf | does the red x mean it wants the root disk which i failed to make yet? |
| 18:08.39 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: try earlier images |
| 18:08.49 | simonrvn | no, means it didn't boot properly |
| 18:08.51 | Shadow_wolf | ok |
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| 18:09.11 | simonrvn | for some reason. usually it's the floppy that's buggered |
| 18:09.20 | roxy_ | any lpi certified people around ? |
| 18:09.49 | simonrvn | when you boot that way, there's no mac os floppy driver, almost bare metal, so it gets VERY picky about the quality |
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| 18:10.46 | seeker | simonrvn: I was just wondering, if he lived near a city, do you think he could take the book in to an apple store and have their guys mount the drive on another mac? |
| 18:11.11 | rysiek|pl | hi again |
| 18:11.14 | simonrvn | those are unsupported. for years now. they'd laugh at him or something |
| 18:11.24 | Shadow_wolf | trying to find a damn paperclip |
| 18:11.49 | simonrvn | holding down the mouse button at boot will eject it |
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| 18:12.17 | rysiek|pl | short one here, hopefully: installed xfce4 on debian stable from sarge-backports, but I can't seem to get any diacritical characters input from the keyboard. I am surely missing some package, any ideas wich? |
| 18:12.22 | simonrvn | works for the desktops anyway |
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| 18:12.25 | Shadow_wolf | nope |
| 18:12.27 | Shadow_wolf | it won't |
| 18:12.34 | Shadow_wolf | have to find a paperclip |
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| 18:12.44 | Shadow_wolf | might have to go drive the 10 miles to go buy one |
| 18:12.52 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 18:13.15 | simonrvn | might as well pick up some extra floppies if you do that ;) |
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| 18:13.26 | aquat1x | Shadow_wolf: sharp pencil? |
| 18:13.31 | simonrvn | too fat |
| 18:13.45 | aquat1x | or what do you call those... fill pencils or something |
| 18:13.50 | Shadow_wolf | yes |
| 18:13.52 | simonrvn | i've used spilt bamboo skewers |
| 18:13.53 | Shadow_wolf | a pin isn't |
| 18:13.56 | mapez | Hey guys question, do I just need the first disc? Or do I need the 2nd disc of packages for the installation? |
| 18:13.59 | simonrvn | split* |
| 18:14.29 | simonrvn | small (really small) finishing nails can work |
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| 18:15.32 | simonrvn | mapez: first one fine |
| 18:15.43 | Shadow_wolf | it won't right |
| 18:15.44 | Shadow_wolf | write |
| 18:15.59 | Shadow_wolf | i give it the dd command and it says file copied and all |
| 18:16.02 | simonrvn | bad sectors? |
| 18:16.04 | Shadow_wolf | and no fd activity |
| 18:16.08 | simonrvn | oh |
| 18:16.12 | Shadow_wolf | wait |
| 18:16.16 | Shadow_wolf | i hear it going now |
| 18:16.21 | Shadow_wolf | long delay |
| 18:16.59 | simonrvn | my mocs are wet (again) |
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| 18:17.38 | Shadow_wolf | if it doesn't work soon, this MAC is gonna be wet....after i toss it into the river...heh |
| 18:17.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:17.51 | Shadow_wolf | damn |
| 18:17.57 | stoned | wet |
| 18:17.57 | Shadow_wolf | red x on that boot too |
| 18:18.03 | stoned | I like wetness |
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| 18:18.13 | stoned | reminds me of that zoolander commercial |
| 18:18.21 | stoned | moisture is the essence of wetness |
| 18:18.30 | stoned | lol |
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| 18:19.01 | simonrvn | try doing up another floppy entirely |
| 18:19.14 | simonrvn | maybe that one is close to dead or something |
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| 18:19.35 | mapez | simonrvn: thanks. |
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| 18:19.42 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:19.48 | simonrvn | uh oh, bot |
| 18:19.55 | eliteforce | ahm what was the url to packages on backports.org .. something with qa debian.org? |
| 18:20.21 | mapez | ohmygoodness.. My Nero trial just ran out.. Anyone have any good windows apps that I can burn an ISO DVD with? |
| 18:20.33 | Shadow_wolf | i'm trying another floopy now |
| 18:20.35 | simonrvn | yeh, qa.d.o |
| 18:20.36 | Shadow_wolf | i hate floopies |
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| 18:20.40 | simonrvn | me too ;) |
| 18:20.52 | rysiek|pl | so, anybody knows how to enable iso8859-2 character input in xfce4? |
| 18:20.53 | simonrvn | floppies too ;) |
| 18:21.05 | Shadow_wolf | can't use that one now anyway |
| 18:21.05 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:21.16 | Shadow_wolf | it committed suicide |
| 18:21.16 | simonrvn | start with that |
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| 18:21.26 | Shadow_wolf | sort of exploded on impact with the wall |
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| 18:21.33 | Shadow_wolf | NEXT |
| 18:21.36 | simonrvn | eliteforce: but that has nothing to do with backports.org |
| 18:21.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:22.08 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: got locales set to UTF-8, got fonts displaying the diacritics correctly, but am unable to actually INPUT such characters from the keyboard |
| 18:22.11 | Shadow_wolf | happy mac, happy penguin |
| 18:22.16 | Shadow_wolf | so far so good |
| 18:22.34 | Shadow_wolf | red x |
| 18:22.38 | Shadow_wolf | puked again |
| 18:22.45 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: have a compose key set up? that might help |
| 18:22.48 | Shadow_wolf | that was about the oldest image i could find |
| 18:22.58 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: uh? |
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| 18:24.41 | Shadow_wolf | i can throw floppies all day long |
| 18:24.55 | simonrvn | !extended chars |
| 18:24.55 | dpkg | extended chars is probably to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (iso8859-1 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command |
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| 18:25.01 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: ^^ |
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| 18:25.12 | Shadow_wolf | !kill |
| 18:25.18 | Shadow_wolf | wonder if it had one for that |
| 18:25.19 | Shadow_wolf | heh |
| 18:25.21 | simonrvn | !kill floppies |
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| 18:25.31 | Shadow_wolf | !kill lawyers |
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| 18:26.39 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: ah, and what about such a simple thingy like Alt + L produces Å? I mean, it works all over the system in consoles, but doesn't work in xfce4 |
| 18:27.05 | Shadow_wolf | ooo |
| 18:27.08 | Shadow_wolf | booting |
| 18:27.18 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: xhoosing another kbd layout can help with that |
| 18:27.19 | tarzeau | abrotman! where is he |
| 18:27.21 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:27.21 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:27.24 | simonrvn | choosing even |
| 18:27.33 | simonrvn | not here |
| 18:28.08 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: great, but all I have in xfce's configuration utility is Default and EMACS, both not containing the correct mappings |
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| 18:28.21 | Shadow_wolf | now i just need a good root disk |
| 18:28.23 | simonrvn | often people have alternates they can switch to |
| 18:28.31 | simonrvn | kbd layouts |
| 18:28.38 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: yay |
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| 18:29.36 | simonrvn | quark_: connection issues, or can't make up your mind? ;p |
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| 18:30.28 | twobitsprite | how do I change the look of gtk program if I only have kde installed? |
| 18:30.44 | Shadow_wolf | hang on, just need to find another floppy that is good for the root |
| 18:30.55 | simonrvn | apt-get install gtk-theme-switch and run switch2 |
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| 18:31.26 | simonrvn | some use the gtk2-engines-qt or whatever it's called |
| 18:31.37 | rysiek|pl | ok, gtg, cu |
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| 18:32.05 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.27 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:32.29 | vikwitit | can someone here can tell me how to download some packages |
| 18:32.29 | vikwitit | i need the madwifi packages but i cant i dunno how i have read the wiki but not understand |
| 18:32.29 | vikwitit | im a newbie |
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| 18:32.47 | ryan` | how would I make a debian package that replaces a file owned by another package? |
| 18:32.54 | Shadow_wolf | dammit |
| 18:32.55 | simonrvn | equivs |
| 18:32.56 | suppaman | bye thanks |
| 18:32.57 | Shadow_wolf | kernel panic |
| 18:33.26 | simonrvn | what happened? |
| 18:33.37 | Shadow_wolf | puked on the root disk |
| 18:33.40 | Shadow_wolf | io errors |
| 18:33.45 | ryan` | simonrvn: you talking to me? |
| 18:33.46 | simonrvn | damn |
| 18:33.53 | simonrvn | ryan`: yeh. equivs |
| 18:33.54 | Shadow_wolf | trying again |
| 18:34.01 | roxy_ | simonrvn: what are +/- of sata ? IDE is only 4 but cheap, scsi is quick reliable up to 14 but 2~5 more expensive. |
| 18:34.06 | ryan` | simonrvn, that does not look like what I want. |
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| 18:34.19 | simonrvn | ryan`: that's what you described |
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| 18:34.31 | simonrvn | roxy_: dunno. google it i guess |
| 18:34.41 | ryan` | I want to build a package for internal use, that, among other things, replaces some config files owned by other packages. |
| 18:34.47 | Shadow_wolf | this looks like a good use for an old AOHell cd |
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| 18:34.51 | zyga | roxy_: wikipedia has the answeres for those questions |
| 18:34.55 | Shadow_wolf | i mean floppy |
| 18:35.07 | Shadow_wolf | i use the cd's they send to scare away birds in the garden |
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| 18:35.34 | Shadow_wolf | even the birds are scared of aol |
| 18:35.39 | simonrvn | stew: i suspect [BaByFaCe] is a bot |
| 18:35.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:35.53 | ryan` | simonrvn: I looked at equivs, and it seems to be a hack to get around dependancy issues |
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| 18:36.05 | roxy_ | zyga: true :-) |
| 18:36.25 | simonrvn | yeh. i misunderstood |
| 18:36.36 | zyga | roxy_: I can help you find them if you wish |
| 18:37.00 | simonrvn | Shadow_wolf: good luck. i gtg |
| 18:37.00 | twobitsprite | simonrvn: hmm... maybe the progam I'm running isn't gtk... but it still looks like crap... any ideas? (it's xmms) |
| 18:37.08 | simonrvn | it's gtk1 |
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| 18:37.16 | roxy_ | zyga: what is the support for sata in linux ? |
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| 18:37.21 | twobitsprite | simonrvn: ahh... how would I change the theme for that? |
| 18:37.27 | simonrvn | run the switch binary. switch2 is for gtk2 |
| 18:37.28 | twobitsprite | er... "switch"? |
| 18:37.29 | zyga | roxy_: pretty good, not worse than pata |
| 18:37.30 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 18:37.31 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 18:37.38 | ryan` | I seem to recall that I need to somehow 'redirect' the files owned by the other package that I want to replace. |
| 18:37.53 | Shadow_wolf | buffer io errors everywhere |
| 18:37.57 | simonrvn | dpkg-divert |
| 18:38.02 | roxy_ | zyga: thanks |
| 18:38.02 | Shadow_wolf | should i use another root from a different date |
| 18:38.17 | Shadow_wolf | different from the boot? |
| 18:38.23 | simonrvn | no, the dates should match. try to find something a bit later if possible |
| 18:38.35 | simonrvn | otherwise the kernel modules won't load |
| 18:38.40 | Shadow_wolf | great |
| 18:38.52 | twobitsprite | simonrvn: hmm... ok, so now none of my themes work for gtk1, I keep getting "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so"," |
| 18:38.54 | roxy_ | are sata /dev/hda /dev/hdb ... like pata ? |
| 18:39.03 | ryan` | simonrvn: Do I use that from a pre-install script? |
| 18:39.04 | simonrvn | i had OK luck with the /2005-06-15/ set |
| 18:39.18 | zyga | roxy_: no, they are /dev/sd[a-] |
| 18:39.27 | simonrvn | twobitsprite: meaning that you're missing a gtk engine. |
| 18:39.42 | simonrvn | ryan`: you can |
| 18:39.46 | zyga | roxy_: but there is little, if any difference from your point of view |
| 18:39.53 | twobitsprite | simonrvn: yeah... but I don't see any gtk1 engines... mind recommending one? |
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| 18:40.09 | simonrvn | they're all called gtk-engine-foo |
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| 18:40.57 | Shadow_wolf | one bullet for the powerbook and one for me |
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| 18:41.29 | Shadow_wolf | is that like as in masta baiter? |
| 18:41.32 | Shadow_wolf | he |
| 18:41.38 | roxy_ | zyga: I don't have a point of view. I am just studying for a linux exam :-) |
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| 18:41.59 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 18:42.08 | twobitsprite | simonrvn: (heh, sorry to hound you :P) now switch says "Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed." |
| 18:42.32 | zyga | roxy_: .... uhh - okay |
| 18:42.54 | zyga | roxy_: it's generally easier to just boot a live cd and explore |
| 18:43.38 | ryan` | simonrvn: Found the docs... |
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| 18:44.07 | complexity | How do i restore default alsamixer settings |
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| 18:44.27 | twobitsprite | alsamixer has settings? |
| 18:45.01 | Shadow_wolf | found compressed image |
| 18:45.01 | twobitsprite | complexity: you could try purging and reinstalling it |
| 18:45.10 | Shadow_wolf | and i/o error city |
| 18:45.13 | roxy_ | zyga: I am using exclusively linux for more than 5 years, but I never used a sata hd. |
| 18:45.22 | Shadow_wolf | now smashing floppy with hammer |
| 18:45.32 | zyga | roxy_: and you still need to study for an exam? |
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| 18:45.47 | complexity | twobitsprite: I'm thinking there is a better method :( |
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| 18:45.53 | Shadow_wolf | !kill floppies |
| 18:46.06 | twobitsprite | complexity: you mean, you want things at the default volume levels? |
| 18:46.13 | Shadow_wolf | !kill lawyers |
| 18:46.26 | roxy_ | zyga: yes :-) . I need to have a look at vi and some sed and grep stuff . I am not a sys ad so don't use this stuff that often. |
| 18:46.29 | twobitsprite | !kill dpkg |
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| 18:46.38 | zyga | roxy_: ah |
| 18:46.50 | complexity | twobitsprite: yes, just remove my current alsamixer settings, there seems to be no easy way to do it |
| 18:47.06 | twobitsprite | complexity: why not just adjust them to reasonable levels? |
| 18:47.08 | OllieD | out of interest |
| 18:47.44 | complexity | twobitsprite: Well my mic just stopped working, and I'm really thinking it would work if i remove the current settings |
| 18:48.08 | twobitsprite | complexity: do you see any "M"s at the bottom of your mixers? |
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| 18:48.27 | complexity | twobitsprite: No. I see the M on your forehead, and apparently it stands for Moron |
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| 18:48.56 | twobitsprite | complexity: why so hostile, I'm just trying to help, goddamn |
| 18:48.57 | ysg | hi, is there a link or howto or anything for performance tuning in debian especially for video? |
| 18:49.25 | Shadow_wolf | i can't get a good root disk |
| 18:49.31 | epsilon | I have a webserver running with Sarge and I want php5 with minimum effect on package system - should I take php5-packages from backport.org or compile php5 from scratch? |
| 18:49.36 | Shadow_wolf | i've tried everything and several floppies |
| 18:49.40 | Shadow_wolf | nothing seems to work |
| 18:49.45 | complexity | twobitsprite: Well you should try answering the question, instead of giving half ass work around's |
| 18:50.48 | twobitsprite | complexity: chill the fuck out, I'm trying to help you solve your problem... If you don't like my answers, then ignore them... I don't get paid to be in here and answer your questions I'm just trying to be a nice guy... |
| 18:50.48 | petemc | epsilon: backports would be the easier, and more manageable way to do it |
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| 18:51.29 | complexity | twobitsprite: Newbers like you make me not even want to come on here |
| 18:51.48 | petemc | complexity: then dont |
| 18:52.07 | ysg | hi, is there a link or howto or anything for performance tuning in debian especially for video?, for example switching to nvidia dervers or using dri and drm in xfree or anyything pls |
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| 18:52.19 | complexity | petemc: Lmao. Screw you guys I'm switching to freebsd |
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| 18:52.30 | Bushmills | lol |
| 18:52.31 | twobitsprite | complexity: and assholes like you make me not want to come in here, why do you have to go around picking fights, I've been using linux since kernel 2.0 so don't think that just because I'm offering a suggestion you don't like that I'm some "newber"... you're the fuckhead that can't figure out how to get you damn mic working |
| 18:52.42 | Bushmills | now he has shown us |
| 18:52.50 | twobitsprite | OHH NO!!!! |
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| 18:56.39 | mosgreg | hi |
| 18:56.42 | mosgreg | hmm I have a question.. this tool "mythtv" , it is made to output to tv-out? |
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| 18:57.11 | ysg | hmm does debian mean no performance at all in games and any sound or video app? |
| 18:57.43 | Aleric | ,whois aleric |
| 18:57.48 | Aleric | grrmbl |
| 18:58.10 | petemc | ysg: of course not |
| 18:58.21 | petemc | mosgreg: it can be, if you have a card that supports that |
| 18:58.27 | ysg | petemc: ah pls |
| 18:58.37 | ysg | petemc: i need to learn how to tune debian |
| 18:58.45 | PDani_ | i need a software, that is something like a web front-end for xmms / beep media player |
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| 18:59.07 | Aleric | Hmm, can't even change the command character with this application. |
| 18:59.27 | ysg | petemc: for example i have a 256mb nvidia but in X it flickers when moving windows or in games it is so slow |
| 18:59.37 | Bushmills | PDani, a plugin exists for xmms to remotely control it from a web browser |
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| 18:59.47 | petemc | ysg: are you using the nvidia driver? |
| 18:59.55 | ysg | petemc: i dont think so |
| 19:00.03 | zyga | ysg: you basically use free or non-free drivers, some hardware is better supported some is not it's your choice |
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| 19:00.26 | ysg | petemc: i could not find anything starting with nvidia in apt-get |
| 19:00.27 | petemc | ysg: /msg dpkg nvidia-installer |
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| 19:00.41 | petemc | nvidia installer , even |
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| 19:01.12 | Shadow_wolf | hmmmm unable to mount root fs on unknown block(2.0) |
| 19:02.01 | ysg | petemc: soi i want it |
| 19:02.02 | Aleric | nvidia drivers are proprietary - you have to get it from www.nvidia.com. Be aware that it overwrites a lot of libraries: installing nvidia drivers - then upgrading those libraries the normal way (with debian) and then uninstalling the nvidia drivers will lead to freezing machines ;) |
| 19:02.13 | smacnay | I usually use apt-get to update my system and see that aptitude has different plans for a lot of my packages (removing many that I use). Is this discrepency common? |
| 19:02.21 | ysg | petemc: how can i install it |
| 19:03.09 | smacnay | Aleric: I just use the deb packages myself. A little awkward at times (like now) when nvidia-kernel-source would be upgraded but nvidia-kernel is not available. |
| 19:03.50 | Aleric | Question: I want to try debian (first time). I have to decide whether to use 'stable' or 'testing' (or is there more?). Where can I find the version number of packages in those distributions? Versions of packages like glibc, xorg, libgtk, gcc etc. |
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| 19:05.39 | Aleric | smacnay: I basically needed to buy a new PC (I did) after upgrading Fedora Core 4 to 5, because after that it was impossible to start X anymore. After two weeks of debugging (using my new PCs graphical desktop for Google etc) I am finally starting to suspect that the reason is wrong library versions left over. |
| 19:05.51 | Aleric | So... I now want to get rid of fedora ;) |
| 19:05.57 | smacnay | Aleric: go with stable for now and you can always upgrade to testing later. |
| 19:06.01 | Aleric | Hence that I'm here. |
| 19:06.25 | smacnay | Go to debian.org and look up the packages by their deb distribution (stable testing etc.) |
| 19:06.36 | Aleric | smac: Upgrading to testing is an easy step? |
| 19:07.28 | Aleric | smac: What about downgrading? Does debian allow easy rollback when you upgraded and things started to break? |
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| 19:08.34 | jelly-home | Aleric: nope, no support for downgrades. |
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| 19:10.20 | jelly-home | Aleric: you should have working backups. That said, it usually is fairly easy to remove(purge) a single package and install a previous version, but Debian makes no guarantees about changes in config files etc. |
| 19:10.32 | cups_clueless | hi i am having trouble on sid. setting up cups printing to another sid machine printing usisng cups |
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| 19:10.56 | Aleric | Hmm. Anyway - I found the versions of "stable" and they are totally unacceptable old. |
| 19:10.57 | cups_clueless | i set up client.conf to use the remote server |
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| 19:11.12 | Aleric | It still uses kernel 2.4 and xfree86, lol |
| 19:11.26 | Tallu | Aleric: you can use 2.6 no probs, just choose linux26 on installer |
| 19:11.29 | Aleric | I suppose gcc is 2.95 on stable? ;) |
| 19:11.39 | cups_clueless | but i am not getting the server to tell the client the list of printers present on the server |
| 19:11.39 | SpComb | stable is stable. |
| 19:11.46 | Aleric | Tallu: I need 2.6.17 |
| 19:11.47 | ysg | how can i install nvidia drivers |
| 19:11.48 | Tallu | And if you're unhappy it's easy to upgrade to testing.. but you risk stability then |
| 19:11.52 | holdenSK | Aleric: nah, on my Sarge it's 3.4 |
| 19:11.53 | Tallu | Aleric: so compile it |
| 19:12.02 | Tallu | I'm running stable. |
| 19:12.05 | Aleric | I want at least gcc 4.0.2 |
| 19:12.05 | Tallu | Linux xiit 2.6.17.11 #1 Sat Aug 26 09:32:38 EEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:12.29 | holdenSK | Aleric: then go get and compule yourself :) |
| 19:12.34 | holdenSK | compile |
| 19:12.37 | tarzeau | ysg: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 19:12.46 | Aleric | Lemme have a look at 'testing' ... |
| 19:13.05 | Trewas | Aleric: you can install testing directly, it has much newer versions than stable... no-one uses stable as a desktop anyway (okay probably someone does;) |
| 19:13.07 | SpComb | stable is stable, which means that the stuff in it is at least n years old :) |
| 19:13.10 | cups_clueless | for nvidia i use the binary drivers listed on nvnews.net linux forum |
| 19:13.46 | poh | when I resume after hibernate into the terminal instead of X, I just have a blank screen. My system is still responsive, but I can't see what I am doing. has anyone dealt with this? |
| 19:13.53 | SpComb | also, stable does not mean that it supports every single piece of hardware under the sun |
| 19:14.34 | cups_clueless | after i install the kernel headers corresponding to the kernel running and make a symlink of /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.17-2-k7 or whatever |
| 19:14.36 | Shadow_wolf | ok |
| 19:14.45 | Shadow_wolf | now i have the powerbook booted |
| 19:14.51 | Shadow_wolf | from the boot and root floppies |
| 19:14.58 | Shadow_wolf | i am in the shell |
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| 19:15.11 | Shadow_wolf | how do i get to the files on the hd from here |
| 19:15.43 | aarkerio | Hi! my ipod don't mount with "-t hfsplus" buy already mount with "-t vfat" is this normal? |
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| 19:15.56 | Tallu | Hooray for getting a free P4! |
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| 19:16.21 | zyga | aarkerio: yes, the ipod can have either filesystem |
| 19:16.33 | zyga | aarkerio: yours apparently uses fat |
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| 19:16.57 | aarkerio | zyga, mmm, ok, thanks a lot |
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| 19:17.36 | tarzeau | omg abrotman!!!! |
| 19:18.19 | Aleric | Hmm, ok - 'testing' looks like it has reasonable versions. I'll go for that. |
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| 19:18.36 | twobitsprite | Aleric: I run testing, and it runs great |
| 19:18.42 | Aleric | Does debian allow installing the gnome and KDE desktops next to each other? |
| 19:18.51 | zyga | Aleric: yes |
| 19:18.52 | twobitsprite | Aleric: yes |
| 19:19.12 | Shadow_wolf | does anyone have any idea what the next step would be? |
| 19:19.18 | Shadow_wolf | i am soooooooooo close here |
| 19:19.24 | zyga | Shadow_wolf: what are you trying to do |
| 19:19.28 | twobitsprite | Shadow_wolf: afterstep? :P |
| 19:19.33 | Aleric | Ok thanks. Well - I guess that was it - the only PC with a graphical interface is this one - and I'm going to erase the harddisk now ;). |
| 19:19.48 | twobitsprite | Aleric: sweet |
| 19:19.54 | Aleric | That is... I need this machine first to write the .iso image ... |
| 19:19.54 | twobitsprite | Aleric: have fun :) |
| 19:20.00 | Aleric | Hopefully that works. |
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| 19:21.52 | Shadow_wolf | what i am trying to do |
| 19:22.03 | Shadow_wolf | is to get a file from the powerbook running debian to this linux box |
| 19:22.20 | zyga | Shadow_wolf: boot a live cd? |
| 19:22.22 | Shadow_wolf | i got the root and boot floppies to bring up the powerbook |
| 19:22.30 | Shadow_wolf | i am in an ash console |
| 19:22.31 | zyga | no cd? |
| 19:22.37 | Shadow_wolf | it won't boot from cd |
| 19:22.44 | Shadow_wolf | only the mac os cd |
| 19:22.48 | zyga | too old? |
| 19:22.50 | Shadow_wolf | yeah |
| 19:22.52 | Shadow_wolf | oldworld |
| 19:22.55 | Shadow_wolf | powerbook 3400 |
| 19:23.00 | zyga | argh :) |
| 19:23.05 | Shadow_wolf | so i got the boot and root floppies |
| 19:23.10 | Shadow_wolf | i am at a console |
| 19:23.17 | zyga | I'd just rip the drive off, attach to modern box of any kind and ignore the old klunker |
| 19:23.30 | Shadow_wolf | well... |
| 19:23.36 | Shadow_wolf | i have goten it this far |
| 19:23.41 | zyga | unless you want your life complicated ;-) |
| 19:23.47 | Shadow_wolf | is there a way to get to the drive at this point? |
| 19:23.52 | zyga | do you have networking? |
| 19:23.55 | Shadow_wolf | yes |
| 19:24.02 | Shadow_wolf | it is networked into the hub |
| 19:24.06 | zyga | coo, just mount your disk anywhere you want |
| 19:24.09 | Shadow_wolf | through a router |
| 19:24.17 | Shadow_wolf | ok... |
| 19:24.21 | Shadow_wolf | how do i do that |
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| 19:24.31 | Shadow_wolf | sorry...im very tired and not thinking too clearly |
| 19:24.54 | zyga | mount /dev/the-device-of-your-hd, probably hda /some/place/nice |
| 19:24.55 | Shadow_wolf | being on call 24/7 burns you out |
| 19:25.05 | zyga | make a directory in mnt for example |
| 19:25.17 | zyga | mount the partition you want there |
| 19:25.19 | Shadow_wolf | how do i make a mnt directory |
| 19:25.26 | Shadow_wolf | i can't do that with the floppy |
| 19:25.28 | zyga | you probably got one already |
| 19:25.35 | zyga | mkdir -p /mnt/foo |
| 19:25.44 | Shadow_wolf | mkdir on which machine |
| 19:25.50 | Shadow_wolf | i guess that would be the question |
| 19:25.53 | zyga | on the old klunker |
| 19:26.08 | Shadow_wolf | but it is booted on a floppy |
| 19:26.18 | zyga | so? |
| 19:26.26 | zyga | do you have a ramdisk? |
| 19:26.50 | Shadow_wolf | let me try and see if it will let me do that |
| 19:27.19 | zyga | Shadow_wolf: I'm sorry but I have to do something now |
| 19:27.27 | Shadow_wolf | ok |
| 19:27.31 | Shadow_wolf | I'll fight with it |
| 19:27.34 | zyga | my old favourite is just netcat + dd for a simple backup from anything to anything |
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| 19:27.55 | zyga | netcat -l (listen, read the man page of nc) on the target box |
| 19:28.07 | Shadow_wolf | ok |
| 19:28.11 | Shadow_wolf | thanks |
| 19:28.27 | zyga | use netcat from the old klunker to move your entire hdd to the other box (if you can fit it...) |
| 19:28.59 | Shadow_wolf | hmount failed |
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| 19:29.03 | Shadow_wolf | mount failed |
| 19:29.04 | Shadow_wolf | i mean |
| 19:29.08 | Shadow_wolf | that won't work |
| 19:29.30 | zyga | Shadow_wolf: what kind of filesystem did the powerbook use? |
| 19:29.36 | Shadow_wolf | ext2 |
| 19:29.53 | zyga | anyway: cat /dev/hda | nc other-host 12345 # on the powerbook |
| 19:30.11 | zyga | nc -l 12345 > old-hda # on the other box |
| 19:30.27 | zyga | if /dev/hda is your drive then you'll get a backup |
| 19:30.36 | zyga | that should get you started |
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| 19:30.59 | zyga | once you are on the other box, you can do anything you want with the root image |
| 19:31.09 | Shadow_wolf | that errored out |
| 19:31.11 | zyga | copy /dev/hda1 (or any other partition) for conveniance |
| 19:31.26 | zyga | exactly how? (don't paste too much) |
| 19:31.50 | Shadow_wolf | it sayid /dev/hda no such file or directory |
| 19:31.57 | zyga | doh.. |
| 19:32.03 | zyga | no device nodes ey... |
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| 19:32.23 | zyga | just remove the drive man, it's way faster than learing how to do it |
| 19:32.29 | zyga | especially when your data is involved |
| 19:32.36 | Shadow_wolf | if i take it out |
| 19:32.40 | Shadow_wolf | i can't hook it to anything |
| 19:32.49 | Shadow_wolf | i don't have another laptop |
| 19:32.53 | zyga | get a mini-ata to ata converter |
| 19:33.03 | Shadow_wolf | where am i supposed to find that? |
| 19:33.05 | zyga | they cost like 5$ in eastern europe |
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| 19:33.12 | chron | do you need a special package? |
| 19:33.14 | chron | to compile? |
| 19:33.16 | zyga | in some kind of tech store probably |
| 19:33.19 | chron | use make, for instance or gcc |
| 19:33.22 | Shadow_wolf | none around here |
| 19:33.28 | amphi | Shadow_wolf: or a usb hd enclosure |
| 19:33.45 | tarzeau | how do i run find . -exec chmod -x {} in a makefile ? |
| 19:33.51 | zyga | good piece of advice, quite useful for laptop disks |
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| 19:34.09 | chron | in order to compile something on debian using make or gcc, do you need a special package? |
| 19:34.10 | Shadow_wolf | if i have to do that, i might as well just throw it out the window and take the 2 weeks to type it all over again |
| 19:34.14 | chron | because i'm getting alot of compile errors |
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| 19:34.29 | zyga | chron: yes, install build-essential and that will have all you need probably |
| 19:34.36 | Shadow_wolf | there must be some way to get to the stupid thing |
| 19:34.41 | Romano2K | hi everyone! i'm running a jabberd-1.4 server on my box, and i'd like to find back a user password, but i can't find the user.xml mentionned in the jabberd manual |
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| 19:34.58 | zyga | Shadow_wolf: ask your friends if they have such an enclosure, it's a very common thing |
| 19:35.06 | Shadow_wolf | i don't have any friends around here |
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| 19:35.24 | Shadow_wolf | and the people i work with wouldn't know how to even turn on a wintel box |
| 19:35.25 | zyga | Shadow_wolf: any LUGs or university folks that can help you out? |
| 19:35.31 | Shadow_wolf | nope |
| 19:35.40 | zyga | or just some media markt / wallmart kind of store to buy that stuff... |
| 19:35.52 | Shadow_wolf | walmart won't carry that |
| 19:35.56 | zyga | what? |
| 19:36.03 | zyga | usb hdd enclosure? |
| 19:36.12 | zyga | you only need to take the drive out |
| 19:36.12 | Shadow_wolf | that fits a laptop drive? |
| 19:36.16 | zyga | right |
| 19:36.16 | profounded | im trying to look up inetd using ps -fu root, does inetd run as root?? |
| 19:36.33 | Shadow_wolf | well....i have no money at the moment, hence the bankruptcy |
| 19:36.42 | zyga | wallmart *does* have that, I dont know were you are (eu, us, other place) but that's really common piece of hardware |
| 19:36.45 | zyga | eh |
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| 19:36.51 | Kurtism | when you boot up rc0 scripts execute then rc2? |
| 19:36.58 | Kurtism | or how does the order go again? |
| 19:37.00 | zyga | then start reading about device nodes |
| 19:37.12 | Shadow_wolf | device nodes |
| 19:37.15 | Shadow_wolf | what about chroot |
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| 19:37.24 | zyga | you need to chroot to something right? |
| 19:37.27 | Shadow_wolf | somebody mentioned someting about that earolier |
| 19:37.28 | chron | i keep getting problems when i compile kernel modules |
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| 19:37.28 | chron | using m-a |
| 19:37.38 | Aleric | ok... burned the install image... bbl :) |
| 19:37.39 | chron | basically compile errors |
| 19:37.40 | profounded | what user does inetd run under??? |
| 19:37.41 | profounded | root?? |
| 19:37.48 | zyga | what kind of drive does that powerbook use? an ata drive? |
| 19:37.49 | Kurtism | I'm trying to decide when to execute the script to bring up my Wireless Network Card |
| 19:37.54 | Shadow_wolf | yes |
| 19:37.56 | Shadow_wolf | ata |
| 19:38.02 | zyga | okay |
| 19:38.11 | zyga | does ls /dev/hda show you the device node? |
| 19:38.22 | zyga | ls /dev/hda* should say something more |
| 19:39.00 | Shadow_wolf | no such file or directory on both |
| 19:39.03 | zyga | okay |
| 19:39.36 | zyga | do this: mknod /dev/hda b 3 0 |
| 19:39.47 | zyga | how many partitions did you have? |
| 19:40.08 | Shadow_wolf | ummmm |
| 19:40.14 | Shadow_wolf | two |
| 19:40.18 | Shadow_wolf | but there was a third |
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| 19:40.26 | Shadow_wolf | it was an apple only thing |
| 19:40.30 | zyga | mknod /dev/hda1 b 3 1 |
| 19:40.54 | zyga | do you see the pattern? mknod /dev/hdaN b 3 N, make as many as you need |
| 19:40.56 | zyga | try mounting one now |
| 19:41.11 | zyga | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 19:41.13 | Shadow_wolf | i tried the last one and it says |
| 19:41.21 | Shadow_wolf | that /dev/hda file exists |
| 19:41.26 | zyga | (you might need to specify the type -t ext2) |
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| 19:41.38 | zyga | hmm, you already have /dev/hda now we make /dev/hda1 |
| 19:41.46 | zyga | (and so on... with the number after hda) |
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| 19:42.05 | JimHall | i'm having trouble getting libfreetype6 |
| 19:42.50 | zyga | in the end do ls -l /dev/hda*, it should say that you have the files you created along with some numbers: the first one should always be '3' and the other one should be the partition number (1, 2, 3) or 0 for the entire drive (/dev/hda) |
| 19:43.51 | Shadow_wolf | i have hda |
| 19:43.55 | Shadow_wolf | hda1 |
| 19:43.58 | Shadow_wolf | hda2 |
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| 19:44.05 | zyga | okay, try mounting hda1 in /mnt |
| 19:44.14 | zyga | mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt |
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| 19:44.26 | zyga | if that fails try hda2 (hda1 might be the swap partition) |
| 19:44.27 | Shadow_wolf | no such file or directory |
| 19:44.36 | zyga | mkdir /mnt |
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| 19:44.43 | Kurtism | when runlevel does networking get turned on in? |
| 19:44.44 | zyga | and try again |
| 19:44.48 | RainbowW | so i've got gnome running and a bunch of printers installed (by mistake) ... but i can't figure out how to delete them. the remove command is greyed out ... what gives? |
| 19:45.21 | zyga | Shadow_wolf: I'm away for 15 minutes |
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| 19:45.37 | zyga | if you manage to get your partition mounted explore with cd and ls |
| 19:45.44 | zyga | try locating the files you want /care for |
| 19:45.44 | aman__ | Hey guys. I've started a little project called The Open Source Music Project, which aims to create musical compositions the same way as coders create open source applications. I have a composition ready for work, but my project's home is quite poorly made. I need help getting this project jumpstarted, and was wondering if any of you guys were interested in helping out. I essentially just need to make a wiki to house this project. The one I mad |
| 19:45.47 | zyga | good luck |
| 19:45.52 | Shadow_wolf | no such file or device |
| 19:46.52 | Shadow_wolf | and yet it lists under ls |
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| 19:47.23 | Shadow_wolf | if i have to take this apart, it is going to cost me another ten bucks just to get the torx drivers |
| 19:47.36 | Shadow_wolf | plus the 50 bucks for that enclosure |
| 19:47.40 | outlaw84 | I have been using custom kernels for long now but changed to a debian kernel (linux-image-2.6.17-2-amd64) this week after a graphics card change. since I am using the debian kernel i keep geting my dmesg flooded with network debug messages like this: "IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.3 DST=239.255.255.250 LEN=129 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=8008 DPT=1900 LEN=109" any ides of what I should do? |
| 19:47.44 | Shadow_wolf | i don't have 60 bucks |
| 19:47.49 | Shadow_wolf | so i am screwed |
| 19:48.03 | usn | hi folx |
| 19:48.11 | liran_ | outlaw84: which means you got some iptables rule to log these stuff |
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| 19:48.33 | Shadow_wolf | maybe i should just try and find a nice used shotgun somewhere and blow my brains out....would be less painful than dealing with this mess |
| 19:48.58 | chron | how can you get new kernel headers with debian? |
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| 19:50.16 | jelly-home | Shadow_wolf: maybe you should just flail your arms around and panic :-P |
| 19:50.20 | Shadow_wolf | i learned one good thing....computers are nice toys....but that can't be trusted or depended on to do anything useful |
| 19:50.51 | Shadow_wolf | if I can ever get this info back, I will use a pencil and paper for everything from now on |
| 19:50.56 | chron | does dpkg -l show every package installed? |
| 19:50.56 | Shadow_wolf | anything that matters |
| 19:51.02 | chron | i'm helping a friend so i can't try it |
| 19:51.29 | outlaw84 | liran_: yea thanks it worked now |
| 19:51.39 | administrator | hello i have a question about xdm. where is the commandline that starts the window manager located at? |
| 19:51.40 | RainbowW | so i've got gnome running and a bunch of printers installed (by mistake) ... but i can't figure out how to delete them. the remove command is greyed out ... what gives? |
| 19:51.58 | administrator | i found it before but i do not recall where it is. |
| 19:52.05 | liran_ | outlaw84: np |
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| 19:52.43 | twobitsprite | arg... I have a program which doesn't support alsa... it supports OSS... can I have both? |
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| 19:52.57 | outlaw84 | liran_: I had installade ipmasq but then never configured it so it wasn't actually the kernel change that did it |
| 19:53.20 | Kurtism | hmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 19:53.40 | Shadow_wolf | i guess this is hopeless....just throw this stupid laptop in the trash, get out a pencil and paper and spend the next month of offtime writing all this info out |
| 19:54.06 | Shadow_wolf | by then, i will have court judgments against me and my wages garnished....but if that is what it takes |
| 19:54.34 | speedy | how do i permenantly set number of allowed open files? |
| 19:54.54 | Shadow_wolf | which means i won't be able to pay my rent and i'll be evicted....but no matter....all because i trusted a stupid computer with important information....valuable lesson learned |
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| 19:55.17 | mccoy_ | tuv: are you back man, i need your help? |
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| 20:00.23 | chron | where's the guide |
| 20:00.25 | chron | on upgrading |
| 20:00.26 | chron | to 2.6 |
| 20:00.29 | chron | from debian sarge |
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| 20:01.51 | Tallu | !tell chron about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 20:02.35 | dob1 | there is a substitute for xfs-xtt for xorg ? the package is no more available and apt wants to remove it |
| 20:02.43 | dob1 | (testing/unstable) |
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| 20:03.22 | [1]nella | stryjhtuj |
| 20:03.36 | Kurtism | do the script in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 20:03.41 | Kurtism | get executed no matter what |
| 20:03.58 | Kurtism | do the script in /etc/rcS.d/ get executed before all the other ones? |
| 20:04.01 | jelly-home | speedy: for a daemon, or for logged in users? daemon -> edit its init script, add correct ulimit lines -- users -> /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 20:06.14 | magnus | !nvidia |
| 20:06.14 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:06.17 | cahoot | twobitsprite: in principle yes - what app is this? |
| 20:06.21 | magnus | !dpkg nvidia |
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| 20:06.57 | cahoot | twobitsprite: i e you can use alsas oss emulation - snd-pcm-oss |
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| 20:08.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:08.54 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 20:14.04 | seeker | If I am using grub as the boot loader, and I add in a disk or take one away, do I have to reconfigure grub to recognize that disk if it comes up earlier than the bootable drive? |
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| 20:14.35 | Nikolay | How can I check my Maildir for message duplication? |
| 20:15.24 | Nikolay | apt-cache search show no results :o( |
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| 20:15.39 | trout-mask | Hey guys. I've started a little project called The Open Source Music Project, which aims to create musical compositions the same way as coders create open source applications. If anybody could give me a hand in any way to start a good project wiki to get started, we could definitely get an awesome community going. Any takers? Message me or email me andrew(at)gwohlproductions(dot)com |
| 20:17.21 | chron | linux-image-2.6-686: |
| 20:17.21 | chron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.21 | chron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.27 | chron | what's that mean? |
| 20:17.39 | Tallu | I'd just install the |
| 20:17.45 | Tallu | linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 20:18.01 | Tallu | works just fine that way |
| 20:18.05 | chron | ah ok |
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| 20:20.06 | chron | if you upgrade kernel |
| 20:20.11 | chron | does it automatically do your config for you? |
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| 20:20.25 | chron | dpkg <bpo> |
| 20:20.36 | chron | dpkg bpo |
| 20:20.36 | dpkg | [backports.org] an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
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| 20:23.29 | chron | if you upgrade the kernel does it automatically do the config for you? |
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| 20:24.29 | pickcoder | chron: if you install a new kernel-image package then yes |
| 20:24.34 | JimHall | i can't manage to install libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 20:25.15 | chron | so just restart after upgrade? |
| 20:25.24 | chron | i installed grub too, i'm guessing it does the conf for me? |
| 20:25.47 | pickcoder | chron: it doesn't hurt to do update-grug and then grub-install on the dev or partition you boot from |
| 20:25.52 | pickcoder | s/grug/grub |
| 20:26.23 | chron | ok |
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| 20:26.42 | JimHall | what's the latest version of libgtk2.0-dev? |
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| 20:28.01 | JimHall | i get told i don't have libgtk2.0-0, even though i installed it 30 seconds ago, anyone know how to fix that? |
| 20:28.06 | mccoy_ | when i so startx it doesn;t work, everything was working fine untill i did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:28.30 | rvsjoen | apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev |
| 20:28.45 | rvsjoen | mccoy_: whats in the logs ? |
| 20:29.05 | mccoy_ | rvsjoen: i don't know how? will u show me please |
| 20:29.52 | JimHall | how do i change where it gets the libgtk2.0-dev file from? |
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| 20:30.35 | rvsjoen | mccoy_: look for log files in /var/log |
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| 20:31.19 | mccoy_ | rvsjoen: i can't evern use virual term |
| 20:31.37 | mccoy_ | the alt+f1 or f2 --f6 not working |
| 20:32.10 | rvsjoen | what about ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 20:32.27 | mccoy_ | rvsjoen: samething |
| 20:32.41 | rvsjoen | ctrl+alt+backspace should kill X... |
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| 20:34.37 | piper69 | rvsjoen this is me "mccoy" frm my windows box |
| 20:36.41 | rvsjoen | k.. |
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| 20:38.00 | piper69 | rvsjoen : so what i shall do now i am i the shell , and btw the ctrl+alt+ bckspace didn't do anything |
| 20:38.14 | eimajenthat | hey, I've heard Buffalo makes pretty good Wireless Routers, can anyone here comment? |
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| 20:38.57 | rvsjoen | check X's log files in /var/log/ |
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| 20:39.25 | piper69 | rvsjoen check it for what i am noobe i don't know anything |
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| 20:40.00 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 20:40.20 | seeker | dumby question, how can I get apt to spit out a list of all packages currently istalled? I want to mirror my setup across a few systems. |
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| 20:40.38 | rvsjoen | piper69: errors... |
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| 20:40.50 | Kurtism | damn how do you make wlan0 load, run wpa_suplicant, and then get an IP Address on boot |
| 20:40.55 | seeker | !beer abrotman |
| 20:41.10 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:41.18 | abrotman | oh .. you changed your nick |
| 20:41.25 | seeker | Yes. |
| 20:41.32 | chron | if you use newer kernel headers than the version of your kernel |
| 20:41.35 | chron | can you expect errors? |
| 20:41.39 | chron | should they always be <= |
| 20:41.43 | bkw | dpkg tell me about x-window-server |
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| 20:42.00 | abrotman | install x-window-system |
| 20:42.05 | abrotman | erm .. apt-get install |
| 20:42.08 | secher | abrotman: acutally I use seeker when I want to ask really stupid questions I should know already. <grin> |
| 20:42.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:42.24 | stoned | install abrotman |
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| 20:42.27 | stoned | swat out the bugs |
| 20:42.37 | stoned | he'll nag the bugs to death |
| 20:42.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've found so many new games! and they build on linux too (yeah i'm really in linux again) |
| 20:42.49 | stoned | :D |
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| 20:46.57 | jelly-home | Kurtism: I have dhcp set up for my wlan card in /etc/network/interfaces, and this option: wpa-conf /home/jelly/.wpa/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 20:48.00 | jelly-home | Kurtism: only need to add an auto line for that card to make if work the way you want. |
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| 20:48.12 | jelly-home | Kurtism: s/if/it/ |
| 20:48.29 | piper69 | rvsjoen i can't find that file |
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| 20:48.54 | degantyll | excuse me, when was Sarge first released? |
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| 20:49.03 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 20:49.16 | Kurtism | in interfaces this is what I have |
| 20:49.30 | Kurtism | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 20:49.30 | Kurtism | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 20:49.39 | Kurtism | what am I missing? |
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| 20:49.48 | rvsjoen | degantyll: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_releases |
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| 20:50.01 | degantyll | rvsjoen: thanks for the pointer! =) |
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| 20:50.35 | rvsjoen | piper69: no /var/log/Xorg.0.log file ? |
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| 20:51.45 | Kurtism | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3614 jelly-home could you look at this |
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| 20:53.35 | jelly-home | Kurtism: do you already have wpa_supplicant.conf set up somewhere? |
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| 20:54.56 | Kurtism | yeah |
| 20:54.56 | Kurtism | I do |
| 20:55.08 | piper69 | enti maksoofa |
| 20:55.08 | Kurtism | I created a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file and added the info |
| 20:55.13 | Kurtism | I can get the network working manually |
| 20:55.19 | Kurtism | but not automatically at bootup |
| 20:55.27 | Kurtism | I have to run ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 20:55.56 | Kurtism | then wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B |
| 20:56.04 | Kurtism | then dhclient wlan0 |
| 20:56.19 | Kurtism | then it all works great |
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| 20:56.34 | Kurtism | but that's useless because the PC won't be on forever and it won't have a wired network for much longer |
| 20:56.38 | Kurtism | its going to be totally wireless |
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| 20:56.45 | piper69 | rvsjoen i don't , i have xdm.log |
| 20:56.56 | JimHall | why will apt-get not install something if the dependency it's looking for is newer than the one it needs? |
| 20:56.58 | exalted | Hi, i'd love to know the differences between "recomended" and "suggested" packages? |
| 20:57.06 | secher | Ok, I'll ask again, tho it's rather embarassing, how do I get a list of all packages currently installed on the system, someting suitable for mirroring an install? |
| 20:57.36 | Kurtism | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3614 |
| 20:57.43 | secher | exalted: it's recommended you not drink and drive, it's suggested you wear your seatbelt. |
| 20:57.50 | jelly-home | Kurtism: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3616 should get you rid of dhclient and wpa_supplicant invocation |
| 20:57.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: anything good ? |
| 20:58.00 | abrotman | stoned: i'm not a bug! |
| 20:58.19 | stoned | I did not say you were a bug |
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| 20:58.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: not really something i can understand and play, well one thing but it had a funky memory leak |
| 20:58.40 | abrotman | !tell secher about debian clone |
| 20:58.46 | stoned | you know |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman | funky memory huh |
| 20:58.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll only try it again when i saved all work and before i shut the computer down |
| 20:58.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: heh |
| 20:59.00 | stoned | I need a good 3d game for linux maybe rpg |
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| 20:59.03 | stoned | free |
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| 20:59.10 | kasper | how do i hold packages back from being updated or installed from unstable? |
| 20:59.12 | Mailbox | ; |
| 20:59.20 | abrotman | !tell kasper about hold |
| 20:59.20 | stoned | any ideas? or any good fps games, happy penguin stuff is like I dunno too hard to navigate |
| 20:59.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: yea start it, menu appears, works fine, when you want to start the actual game, memory usage goes beyond good and bad, and random processes get killed |
| 20:59.23 | secher | abrotman: beaut, thanks man. |
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| 20:59.28 | tarzeau | (was i lucky, x wasn't killed) |
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| 20:59.47 | Mailbox | Has anyone had success with running Debian on an Intel Mac (Macbook)? |
| 20:59.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm trying to clear the licensing issue (i already did twice with that same upstream) |
| 20:59.59 | jelly-home | Kurtism: I don't know what "allow-hotplug wlan0" means or is supposed to do, but adding "auto wlan0" should get it up automatically. You might not want that if you're currently wired, though. |
| 21:00.01 | abrotman | loveloy |
| 21:00.02 | Kurtism | jelly-home oh crap after auto I only have lo |
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| 21:00.05 | tarzeau | Mailbox: anyone raping such a mac with debian is a moron |
| 21:00.21 | exalted | secher, what should i think if a suggested package brokes package dependencies? |
| 21:00.25 | Mailbox | tarzeau: It is either that or Windows XP. |
| 21:00.28 | jelly-home | tarzeau: eh, to each his own. |
| 21:00.39 | abrotman | Mailbox: there's a website for it |
| 21:00.39 | Kurtism | shouldn't auto have "auto lo eth0 wlan0" |
| 21:00.42 | Mailbox | I refuse to run Mac OS X. |
| 21:00.54 | Mailbox | I can't stand it. |
| 21:01.00 | RainbowW | so i've got gnome running and a bunch of printers installed (by mistake) ... but i can't figure out how to delete them. the remove command is greyed out ... what gives? |
| 21:01.00 | abrotman | so why the hell would you overpay for hardware from apple if you're not going to run OSX ? |
| 21:01.06 | JimHall | what's the name of the desktop manager that GNOME uses? |
| 21:01.12 | tarzeau | Mailbox: neither can i, but cocoa really is nice |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | gdm |
| 21:01.16 | aquatix | !tell aquatix about debian clone |
| 21:01.38 | abrotman | !tell aquatix about selftell |
| 21:01.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://goonies.jorito.net/ |
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| 21:02.00 | aquatix | abrotman: sorry |
| 21:02.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: the other ones (unfun/hard to play) are on happypenguins.org (with source, and building) |
| 21:02.14 | abrotman | aquatix: it was an FYI .. nothing to apologize for |
| 21:02.21 | Mailbox | I bought my Macbook for good performance at a value. |
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| 21:02.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: Goonies is a great game .. slingshot! |
| 21:02.34 | Mailbox | I don't care about Mac OS X. |
| 21:02.37 | aquatix | abrotman: heh ok :) |
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| 21:02.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: i should package it? |
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| 21:03.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you send me one kilogram of cookies? |
| 21:03.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm pretty sure if i ship you 1kg of anything .. i'll be arrested :) |
| 21:03.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about a gram of liquid LSD? |
| 21:03.50 | dn4 | how do I get apt-get to find the best speed servers? |
| 21:03.52 | abrotman | one ounce you mean ? |
| 21:03.57 | abrotman | dn4: apt-spy |
| 21:03.59 | secher | No, one gram. |
| 21:04.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: wtf is an ounce? |
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| 21:04.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: fluid ounce |
| 21:04.32 | secher | tarzeau: about 1/32 of a kilo. |
| 21:04.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd be glad with even half a gram :) |
| 21:05.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: how many ounces is that? |
| 21:05.16 | abrotman | you don't measure fluids in grams |
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| 21:05.18 | secher | a whole lot less than 1, that's for damn sure. |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | well .. you can .. |
| 21:05.43 | stoned | woiw |
| 21:05.52 | stoned | if I had an ounce of pure lsd, i'd be rich |
| 21:06.08 | kriel | okay, is there a way to get flash 9 onto a linux machine? it looks like the highest version they have on the site is 7, and i can't figure out a way to do it other than use wine+firefox, which seems an awful waste. |
| 21:06.14 | Mailbox | Can we talk about this somewhere else? |
| 21:06.32 | stoned | Mailbox, where would you like to go? |
| 21:06.32 | Mailbox | kriel: Why would you install Flash? |
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| 21:06.43 | Mailbox | stoned: #edubuntu |
| 21:06.46 | stoned | lol |
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| 21:06.49 | secher | one ounce is 28.35 grams |
| 21:06.50 | kriel | Mailbox: a lot of web content is flash-based. |
| 21:06.51 | tarzeau | stoned: how would you split it up into human-friendly portions? |
| 21:07.00 | angelaki | how i can open a port in my linux?? |
| 21:07.01 | stoned | blotter |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | angelaki: that's a wee bit vague |
| 21:07.18 | secher | windowpane |
| 21:07.21 | stoned | drop it on paper, or drop it stright on toungue, depends on how much I have, it will have to be diluted properly |
| 21:07.23 | Mailbox | angelaki: Take the port cover off. |
| 21:07.26 | secher | sugar cubes |
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| 21:07.37 | tarzeau | stoned: ahhhhhh, tell me more about the dilution |
| 21:07.37 | angelaki | what?? |
| 21:07.52 | stoned | tarzeau, you HAVE that much acid? |
| 21:07.57 | abrotman | angelaki: open .. WHICH port ? |
| 21:07.59 | stoned | man, there could be feds online |
| 21:08.00 | tarzeau | stoned: i wish :) |
| 21:08.02 | stoned | hehe, oh |
| 21:08.03 | stoned | word |
| 21:08.05 | abrotman | angelaki: or for what purpose ? |
| 21:08.06 | Mailbox | You could just take the kilo of LSD like a man. |
| 21:08.08 | stoned | Im hungry |
| 21:08.10 | kriel | angelaki: '/msg dpkg ask' |
| 21:08.12 | tarzeau | stoned: abrotman is gonna send me :) |
| 21:08.22 | netd | hello |
| 21:08.22 | abrotman | just come get them |
| 21:08.23 | tarzeau | stoned: you're in what country? |
| 21:08.29 | angelaki | i need to change the ssh port from 22 to 20002. |
| 21:08.34 | secher | abrotman is the area's connection. |
| 21:08.38 | stoned | tarzeau, United fucking states of Amerigo |
| 21:08.42 | abrotman | secher: not likely |
| 21:08.49 | secher | LOL. |
| 21:08.51 | tarzeau | stoned: heh |
| 21:08.53 | secher | Sorry man, had to. |
| 21:08.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | angelaki: man sshd_config |
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| 21:09.17 | stoned | Amerigo was the one who did all the mapping, columbus just got the credit for landing there. Hell, America is even named afte Amerigo |
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| 21:09.24 | stoned | goddamn columbus |
| 21:09.26 | angelaki | in sshd_config i have change the port but in connection it says connection refuse |
| 21:09.32 | abrotman | stoned: do you even know his last name? |
| 21:09.39 | stoned | I used to |
| 21:09.42 | stoned | back in highschool |
| 21:09.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, restarted the service ? |
| 21:09.48 | netd | I'm trying to get X in debian-amd64. I've configured it "correctly" (with xf86config, basicly the same config as one that works fine in openbsd-amd64), but when I run startx it blows up with "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 21:09.55 | secher | Amerigo Vespucci. |
| 21:09.56 | angelaki | many times |
| 21:09.59 | abrotman | netd: that's the wrong way :) |
| 21:10.03 | abrotman | !drxx netd |
| 21:10.03 | dpkg | netd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:10.07 | abrotman | angelaki: firewall ? |
| 21:10.31 | stoned | abrotman, do you the construction of a 7 note diminished dominant arpeggio? |
| 21:10.35 | stoned | +know |
| 21:10.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, no error in the config file ? When restarting the service, you get no error ? |
| 21:10.47 | netd | abrotman: I've that too, but it's the same |
| 21:10.47 | angelaki | i dont have install any firewall |
| 21:10.51 | stoned | I got that dvd from hollywood vide |
| 21:10.57 | stoned | neil young gold years |
| 21:10.59 | stoned | goldne* |
| 21:11.01 | abrotman | stoned: no |
| 21:11.07 | abrotman | netd: paste it somewhere |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:11.08 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:11.14 | stoned | he uses a lot of diminished chords for his crazy sounds |
| 21:11.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, What do you have between you and the machine ? |
| 21:11.28 | abrotman | angelaki: well .. either it's not listening there .. or you've got a firewall |
| 21:11.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, don't answer me "a keyboard" |
| 21:11.33 | Ox0F0-0FF | :P |
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| 21:11.36 | stoned | good dvd |
| 21:11.39 | stoned | abrotman, do you have it? |
| 21:11.41 | netd | abrotman: ok, just a second |
| 21:11.42 | angelaki | a dsl modem with port forwarding enable |
| 21:11.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum |
| 21:11.56 | abrotman | stoned: are you loving neil young ? |
| 21:11.59 | stoned | goddamn abrotman got me into oldschool shit |
| 21:12.00 | stoned | I hate you! |
| 21:12.01 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:12.09 | abrotman | stoned: wait until you hear ginger baker! |
| 21:12.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, from the machine, try to connect |
| 21:12.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | like |
| 21:12.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | ssh -p 22001 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:13.10 | netd | abrotman: http://users.student.lth.se/d03sl/XFree86.0.log |
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| 21:13.27 | angelaki | now when i type ssh angelaki.no-ip.org -p 20002 i dont take any answer. |
| 21:13.34 | abrotman | netd: is it an nvidia card ? |
| 21:13.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, try on port 22 ? |
| 21:13.48 | netd | abrotman: yes, a gforce 6600 |
| 21:13.56 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 21:14.04 | abrotman | netd: is this a workstation ? |
| 21:14.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, do you have physical access to the machine ? |
| 21:14.16 | netd | abrotman: yepp |
| 21:14.30 | angelaki | yes |
| 21:14.43 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, port 22 works ? |
| 21:14.45 | netd | abrotman: i take it i have to run testing for nvidia-support in X? |
| 21:14.59 | tarzeau | netd: i have nvidia with stable |
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| 21:15.04 | angelaki | i have try in 22 but the same problem. I learn that my isp dont let connections in 22 port |
| 21:15.07 | abrotman | netd: you have three choices(i think) .. use vesa(800x600, no accelerated 3d), get xorg from backports, move to etch |
| 21:15.07 | tarzeau | netd: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
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| 21:15.27 | abrotman | or listen to tarzeau .. because he was silly enough to buy nvidia hardware |
| 21:15.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can have accelerated 3d perfectly fine without backports, xorg |
| 21:15.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't buy it |
| 21:15.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: not without the nvidia binary shit driver |
| 21:15.47 | tarzeau | ati works too, www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 21:15.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, on the machine, try to do this netstat -ptan | grep ssh |
| 21:15.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: ati has the same bullshit binary driver |
| 21:15.56 | abrotman | !tell netd about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:16.00 | wols | question about alsa and nforce2 audio: I run alsa-conf, it detects the nforce ac97 card. i tell it to config it and I get "no such device" then |
| 21:16.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't own those either :) |
| 21:16.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it doesn't matter shit which you take |
| 21:16.12 | tarzeau | if you want fast 3d you have to take the binary shitness |
| 21:16.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: then you can't run fast 3d |
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| 21:16.23 | tarzeau | intel sucks |
| 21:16.25 | tarzeau | so does ibm |
| 21:16.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes i can .. |
| 21:16.28 | tarzeau | (not to forget sun) |
| 21:16.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: how fast? which games? |
| 21:16.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: doom3 okay for you ? |
| 21:16.48 | tarzeau | yeah that's fine |
| 21:16.53 | abrotman | yep .. works fine here |
| 21:16.54 | kasper | because of a dep issue from monodevelop (0,11) i have to install x11-common from unstable, everytime that xserver-xorg-core is insatlled my X craps out. I use XFree not Xorg. how can i fix this? |
| 21:17.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, and this also: ps ax | grep sshd |
| 21:17.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i really don't care. i can play nethack anywhere |
| 21:17.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | see if it's running |
| 21:17.24 | angelaki | what mean :: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:20002 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4712/sshd |
| 21:17.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhuh |
| 21:17.32 | abrotman | firewall! |
| 21:17.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | yes |
| 21:17.40 | abrotman | angelaki: from the machien .. can you ssh to that port? |
| 21:17.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: really, the nvidia graphics card i got from my bro. and those at work... well they bought it |
| 21:17.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, ssh -p 20002 localhost |
| 21:18.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: which intel graphics card do you have? |
| 21:18.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: we could buy those too, and which driver? |
| 21:18.11 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | that one |
| 21:18.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | Really sounds like a firewall issue |
| 21:18.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: the xorg driver is? i810? |
| 21:18.24 | abrotman | firewall! |
| 21:18.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:18.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's really fast? |
| 21:18.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: we've got the student machines with that graphics card |
| 21:19.02 | angelaki | i can connect in localhost |
| 21:19.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: and we have to use vesa, since we don't have xorg yet :) |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: works fine ... i can play anything i've tried so far |
| 21:19.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, iptables -L |
| 21:19.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: can't wait to upgrade to etch then |
| 21:19.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | just to check this |
| 21:19.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: the X driver in sarge works fine |
| 21:19.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it doesn't |
| 21:19.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: our pci id is too new |
| 21:19.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not supported |
| 21:19.35 | abrotman | yes .. it does .. i used it for years |
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| 21:19.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: not OUR cards |
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| 21:19.47 | abrotman | you just said you had the same as idid! |
| 21:19.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, Check if you have a file in... humm... /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 21:19.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: intel loves to update their hardware cards too fast |
| 21:19.54 | angelaki | only this :: |
| 21:19.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: well not EXACTLY the same |
| 21:19.58 | angelaki | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 21:19.59 | angelaki | target prot opt source destination |
| 21:19.59 | angelaki | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 21:19.59 | angelaki | target prot opt source destination |
| 21:19.59 | angelaki | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
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| 21:20.03 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 21:20.05 | abrotman | !beer debhelper |
| 21:20.07 | Ox0F0-0FF | hehe |
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| 21:20.13 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:20.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 21:20.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: 0000:00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 21:20.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: errr not that |
| 21:20.29 | abrotman | no shit |
| 21:20.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
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| 21:20.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: will that work with xorg? and really fast ? |
| 21:20.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's TOTALLY different |
| 21:20.45 | angelaki | can you tell me again what file?? |
| 21:20.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh |
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| 21:20.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, your dsl modem is preventing you to connect then |
| 21:20.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it says Intel too |
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| 21:20.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: mine is 8xx .. yours is 9xx |
| 21:21.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: crap. so it won't work at all? |
| 21:21.09 | wols | what could be the error if alsaconf detects a soundcard just fine, the driver loads fine too but then one gets "no such device" from sound using programs? |
| 21:21.12 | CyberGabber | Angelaki: goto Shieldsup-site (https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2). This can check you stealth ports, see 'common ports', maybe its helpfull. |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: should work in xorg or with backports |
| 21:21.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, check your modem's documentation, it certainly has a firewall option or something no configured properly |
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| 21:21.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: it worked with backports, i tried |
| 21:21.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i didn't try the 3d stuff |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | maybe you should |
| 21:21.49 | wols | tarzeau: intel recently released a 3D enabled driver for i915 and later for xorg. it will work |
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| 21:21.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | angelaki, the file doesn't matter anymore, iptables is empty |
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| 21:22.10 | wols | and just to annoy abrotman: they added a interface to add closed source BLOBs in the future |
| 21:22.20 | angelaki | from windows i have use a remote desktop connection with no-ip service. Why i cant from LINUX?? |
| 21:22.30 | abrotman | wols: i'm not surprised |
| 21:22.39 | infernix | i switched from 1280x1024 to 1920x1440; how should I upscale my fonts by a little? should I adjust the DPI settings in xorg.conf? |
| 21:22.43 | abrotman | angelaki: because you're not running nmbd |
| 21:22.44 | tarzeau | wols: sounds great, thanks |
| 21:22.48 | Bushmills | angelaki: http://verhau.de/new/fukitol.jpg |
| 21:22.51 | tarzeau | infernix: for which apps? |
| 21:22.57 | infernix | tarzeau: all. thats the point. |
| 21:22.58 | tarzeau | infernix: there's not a single place you can do that |
| 21:23.05 | tarzeau | infernix: hahahah forget. it. |
| 21:23.12 | infernix | meh. |
| 21:23.14 | angelaki | nmbd? |
| 21:23.26 | tarzeau | angelaki: you miss a verb |
| 21:23.33 | infernix | tarzeau: i didnt want to hear that but i guess i knew |
| 21:23.45 | wols | angelaki: nmbd is part of samba server. dunno what he meant with that |
| 21:23.54 | tarzeau | infernix: i'm sorry, it's just that it's true |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | wols: angelaki means that he can connect to win32 machine by name .. in linux he can't .. |
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| 21:24.16 | infernix | tarzeau: what would the DPI change then? only apps that dont use truetype? |
| 21:24.31 | tarzeau | infernix: many apps can use truetype in different ways |
| 21:24.45 | tarzeau | infernix: really, what you want is all but easy with linux |
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| 21:24.55 | wols | angelaki: just connect via IP. besides: you really don't wanna use SMB over the internet. you really, really don't |
| 21:24.57 | netd | regarding the nvidia-oneliner... the module-assistant complains about "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." |
| 21:24.58 | ged | is there an relatively easy way to recompile a single module of the current running kernel? or does one have to complie and replace the whole kernel? |
| 21:25.01 | tarzeau | infernix: gtk, qt, gnustep, motif, gtk2... |
| 21:25.10 | tarzeau | infernix: the list is endless, and it's configurations even more so |
| 21:25.14 | infernix | tarzeau: well i guess I'll have to get myself one of those 24" screens then |
| 21:25.22 | tarzeau | infernix: hehe :) |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | wols: or he should use dns .. like a sane person |
| 21:25.39 | wols | netd: are you on etch? |
| 21:25.42 | infernix | 1920x1440 is just a tadbit too much on 19" |
| 21:25.52 | angelaki | i need to connect in my pc from my work. |
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| 21:26.07 | rvsjoen | ged: you could get the kernel source and compile it with the current options + changes, and copy the module manually, thought there might be a more 'debian' way out there ? |
| 21:26.09 | wols | angelaki: you do NOT need to use SMB for it |
| 21:26.09 | angelaki | in my work there is a pc with dsl connection |
| 21:26.14 | netd | wols: no, sarge |
| 21:26.17 | wols | unless you like crackers on your home machine of course |
| 21:26.31 | angelaki | i have 1056 ports stealth |
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| 21:26.59 | wols | angelaki: and I'm sure you have a loooong penis too, but what has that to do with insecurity of SMB? |
| 21:27.00 | ged | rvsjoen: yeah, I was hoping something like make-kpkg modules with some funky parameter |
| 21:27.01 | abrotman | angelaki: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
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| 21:28.05 | rvsjoen | ged: at least not that _i'm_ aware of... yet ;P but if you find a way please share |
| 21:28.07 | angelaki | this ::ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 21:28.16 | wols | hehe |
| 21:28.21 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 21:28.21 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was 1. Ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. A distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 21:28.23 | tarzeau | HAHA |
| 21:28.26 | yoo | Hi! |
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| 21:28.40 | tarzeau | angelaki: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
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| 21:28.44 | ged | rvsjoen: thanks, if I find one I will |
| 21:28.46 | simaro | hi.. what the label to install metacity ??? |
| 21:28.55 | wols | simaro: apt-cache search metacity |
| 21:29.20 | yoo | i use debian unstable i386 with xorg and nvidia |
| 21:29.35 | yoo | i must use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy ? |
| 21:30.14 | simaro | it's in my computer |
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| 21:30.22 | simaro | how can I use it |
| 21:30.28 | simaro | to change the theme |
| 21:31.50 | simaro | I download a new metacity theme |
| 21:31.52 | abrotman | apt-get install metacity |
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| 21:31.59 | simaro | installed |
| 21:32.17 | simaro | and what i do to change the theme |
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| 21:34.06 | trout-ma1k | Hey guys. I've started a little project called The Open Source Music Project, which aims to create musical compositions the same way as coders create open source applications. If anybody could give me a hand in any way to start a good project wiki to get started, we could definitely get an awesome community going. Any takers? Message me or email me andrew(at)gwohlproductions(dot)com |
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| 21:34.10 | wols | cat /dev/sndstat should give out something or other right? no matter what alsa assigned as a name to the soundcard? |
| 21:34.13 | simaro | the gnome said that is invalid format ... my file is cgwdtheme |
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| 21:35.17 | Bushmills | is there a open source music project worm in the wild? i remember having the same message from different nicks |
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| 21:36.24 | trout-ma1k | Bushmills: I posted this message earlier on a different nick by accident. Still getting used to the whole IRC thing. |
| 21:36.25 | Bushmills | having seen, even |
| 21:37.05 | secher_ | Ok, I'm officially giving up on grub. it has carnal relations with necrotic equine hybrids. I'm installing lilo again. Lilo likes me, she doesn't complain, and as long as I treat her right, she loads my boot disk. One question though. I'm chrooted into my system from knoppix, and proc is not available, how do I get proc 'mounted'? |
| 21:37.06 | trout-ma1k | In fact, Bushmills, you inquired about it but I was for some reason unable to respond to your PM. |
| 21:37.25 | angelaki | how i can see what ports are open in my pc?? |
| 21:37.39 | CHodapp | nmap |
| 21:37.46 | wols | netstat |
| 21:37.56 | Bushmills | yes, that's why i found this very bizarre, seeing the message from different nicks, but seemingly no human behind |
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| 21:38.03 | wols | trout-ma1k: you're still spamming. stop that please |
| 21:38.14 | trout-ma1k | wols: That's spamming? :-\ Sorry man. |
| 21:38.31 | trout-ma1k | I'll stop, then. |
| 21:38.54 | wols | trout-ma1k: advertising other projects certainly has nothing to do with debian. and you want people to help you. debian people, so yes this is spamming |
| 21:39.21 | trout-ma1k | Wols: I'm sorry. I thought the open source community kind of liked each other :) |
| 21:39.38 | wols | we also like things like "on topic" |
| 21:40.24 | abrotman | angelaki: please go to #ubuntu |
| 21:40.32 | trout-ma1k | Hey man, no worries, I am not trying to argue here. |
| 21:40.52 | trout-ma1k | wols: Could you point me in a good direction to go "off topic"? |
| 21:41.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | Anyone remembers what is this framework that has a webmail and plenty of other stuff ? |
| 21:41.07 | abrotman | horde |
| 21:41.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | yes, thanks |
| 21:41.22 | wols | trout-ma1k: no clue about music. you can ask about wikis which are in debian for example. or just use "apt-cache search wiki" |
| 21:41.51 | wols | trout-ma1k: and the creative commons people like people with ideas like yours afaik |
| 21:41.53 | abrotman | trout-ma1k: ttry the social channels |
| 21:41.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, Do you know if it's a good piece of software ? |
| 21:41.59 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: i use it |
| 21:42.05 | trout-ma1k | Ah, do they have an IRC wols? |
| 21:42.05 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, like it ? |
| 21:42.06 | abrotman | it's certainly good enigh |
| 21:42.08 | abrotman | enough |
| 21:42.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | ok |
| 21:42.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | thanks |
| 21:42.14 | trout-ma1k | the Creative Commons? |
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| 21:42.25 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: of course ..try it .. test it .. make sure it works for you |
| 21:42.36 | wols | I dunno, but in my country we have something called google. great stuff |
| 21:42.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | of course |
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| 21:42.58 | trout-ma1k | wols: Funny, but you're still not a nice person :) |
| 21:43.10 | simaro | I see here. I need the cgwd installed |
| 21:43.16 | simaro | but the apt don't find |
| 21:43.25 | abrotman | trout-ma1k: TBH .. had it been me .. i'd have called the ops |
| 21:43.51 | secher | !TBH |
| 21:43.52 | dpkg | To Be Honest |
| 21:44.15 | trout-ma1k | abrotman: I'm sorry, I just didn't know that this stuff wasn't allowed here. |
| 21:44.22 | cydork | ~troll trout-ma1k |
| 21:44.24 | apt | ACTION hereby declares trout-ma1k a troll |
| 21:44.24 | Firestarter | is it possible to change all files names in a folder from upercase to lowercase withought changing one at a time? |
| 21:44.24 | trout-ma1k | You guys don't have to be rude about it - I won't do it again. |
| 21:44.33 | abrotman | trout-ma1k: this is a large support channel .. we have enough traffic as it is :) |
| 21:44.50 | troubled | abrotman: 25% of it from you bitchin ;) |
| 21:44.58 | abrotman | eh .. no |
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| 21:45.11 | secher | trout-ma1k: freenode is a technical network, and debian is a technical channel on a technical network. |
| 21:45.12 | troubled | you provoke |
| 21:45.14 | wols | abrotman: you managed to break the 50% barrier now? congrats :P |
| 21:45.18 | abrotman | troubled: no i don't |
| 21:45.25 | aquatix | Firestarter: tunar has a mass renamer that can do that |
| 21:45.27 | troubled | abrotman: ya, what do I know? |
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| 21:45.38 | abrotman | troubled: not much .. i've been watching you |
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| 21:45.48 | trout-mask | I'm not trying to troll, I just don't like it when people are rude to me. I broke the rules, I realize that now, and I won't do it again. Okay? |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | trout-mask: have a nice day! :) |
| 21:46.27 | Firestarter | aquatix: tunar |
| 21:46.29 | Firestarter | ? |
| 21:46.31 | trout-mask | abrotman: Thank you. |
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| 21:46.42 | wols | Firestarter: apt-cache search thunar |
| 21:47.14 | trout-mask | wols: What makes me lazy? |
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| 21:48.50 | abrotman | trout-mask: please just drop it |
| 21:48.59 | aquatix | Firestarter: lightweight gtk2 based filemanager |
| 21:49.17 | aquatix | Firestarter: from the xfce project, but can be used standalone |
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| 21:49.41 | trout-mask | abrotman: I will, for you and the rest of the room. But you must know that it was not me who initiated this little argument. I don't even use Debian... the gentoo irc channel doesn't have assholes in it.. should have stayed where I belonged. |
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| 21:50.07 | abrotman | trout-mask: well .. you kind of did .. you "spammed" us :) |
| 21:50.21 | secher | Congratulations trout, you've won Grand Prize in the "Ignored Idiot" contest! |
| 21:50.35 | abrotman | trout-mask: anyways .. there is a mailing list for debian non-debian-related discussion |
| 21:50.37 | Firestarter | thanks all |
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| 21:50.50 | vandenoever | There's a saying on freenode that #Debian is where all the assholes go. |
| 21:50.55 | abrotman | and? |
| 21:51.10 | vandenoever | sorry i couln't resist |
| 21:51.17 | abrotman | i've been treated horribly in other channels |
| 21:51.19 | wols | vandenoever: we have a reputation to protect against those upstart #BSD users |
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| 21:51.23 | trout-mask | abrotman: Thank you. I will check that out. I thought that these guys would like the continuation of open source into other artistic realms, but apparently you guys don't have that. |
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| 21:51.34 | stoned | at least its still better than the Ubuntards |
| 21:51.37 | abrotman | trout-mask: check at lists.debian.org .. read the list description |
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| 21:51.51 | peder_ | How do I chroot into /dev/hdd2 ? Just just chroot /mnt/temp1 /bin/bash ? |
| 21:51.53 | Weedy_laptop | does the default kernel not have quota support? |
| 21:51.55 | trout-mask | abrotman: I appreciate your help and patience, but I better just go. |
| 21:52.04 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:52.15 | wols | peder_: chroot <path> is all you need |
| 21:52.18 | secher | Yay. |
| 21:52.45 | abrotman | eh .. at least i think there's a list |
| 21:52.50 | MooseMorals | why is chroot restricted to root? |
| 21:53.05 | penrod | greetings, when using cpio to copy one partition to another (larger hard drive) should the directories not be the same size |
| 21:53.10 | peder_ | wols- I am using sysresccd to recover my system, but when I try to chroot I get this error: chroot; cannot run command '/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 21:53.14 | secher | Now, how do I bring up /proc in a system chrooted from knoppix? |
| 21:53.43 | MooseMorals | mount -t proc /proc /proc, I think |
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| 21:54.15 | abrotman | secher: you mean the one created at boottime ? |
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| 21:54.20 | OllieD | Hi |
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| 21:55.15 | troubled | MooseMorals: isnt it: mount -t proc proc /proc? |
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| 21:55.34 | troubled | MooseMorals: sorry, not often I need to mount proc fs :) |
| 21:55.45 | MooseMorals | me neither |
| 21:55.51 | wols | sorry for the popquiz: anyone running a recent 2.6.1x kernel and having problems with his nforce2 AC97 audio? loads but cannot be used? |
| 21:55.53 | secher | abrotman: I've given up on grub, so I need to install lilo. I booted into knoppix, mounted and chrooted /, installed lilo, and it complained about not being able to find /proc. |
| 21:56.12 | secher | so... |
| 21:56.20 | abrotman | secher: why not just boot with the bootloader that's already there ? |
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| 21:57.32 | Xenguy | .oO(the idea is to ask the channel, not try to find a personal bitch :P ) |
| 21:57.38 | Xenguy | ww |
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| 21:58.36 | secher | becuase.. you haven't been reading my posts, have you? Ok, here it goes, a little at a time: New install on a hybrid SCSI/IDE system, IDE is recognized before SCSI by grub for some reason, so I jumped through hoops to get grub to not think the IDE disk is the one it should boot. Finally got things all straightened out, reboot, and I get 'Error 15' which is a NSFD error. |
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| 21:58.46 | abrotman | secher: you saw when i got here~! |
| 21:58.49 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:59.06 | abrotman | Not Safe For Disk error ? |
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| 21:59.09 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 21:59.21 | secher | abrotman: it's a file not found error. |
| 21:59.35 | wols | secher: the reason is "BIOS". whatever bios gives grub, that it uses |
| 21:59.42 | wols | if IDE is disk 0x80, so be it |
| 21:59.45 | profounded | i need a gui for apt-get that i can use in shell, any recommendations? |
| 21:59.54 | wols | profounded: aptitude |
| 21:59.57 | profounded | ty wols |
| 21:59.58 | abrotman | abha |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | why do you need a gui ... |
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| 22:00.28 | wols | especially "in shell". oxymoron deluxe that |
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| 22:00.40 | acurax | when i goto mount my ntfs partition it says it wasn't shut down properly but.. it was.. |
| 22:00.45 | profounded | because im lazy, and cant figure out how to search for x-free's package :-x |
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| 22:00.59 | poonj | I'm kind of in a bind right now. I setup my debian box with a software RAID configuration. I have 3 HDs with the same partitions on each hard drive, /boot (RAID-1), / (RAID-1), swap (RAID-0), /usr (RAID-5). One of the HDs went bad and now when I boot, I get a kernel panic. I believe the problem is that the swap isn't working anymore because of the RAID-0 |
| 22:01.08 | secher | so, I loaded knoppix ( btw, this has taken place with numerous other trials, research, etc.) removed grub, installed lilo, and she complained about proc not being there for her. And that's the short short version of what's going on. |
| 22:01.13 | poonj | is there a way to rebuild the RAID-0 on a rescue disk? |
| 22:01.29 | wols | poonj: missing swap won't cause a kernel panic |
| 22:01.44 | poonj | ummm |
| 22:01.59 | abrotman | poonj: rebuild RAID0 ? |
| 22:02.01 | poonj | well |
| 22:02.07 | poonj | not rebuild |
| 22:02.10 | poonj | just re-create it |
| 22:02.19 | secher | wols: well, that may be the idea, but I have bios set to boot scsi first, and grub still sees the ide disk as hd0 |
| 22:02.20 | abrotman | !raid0 |
| 22:02.20 | dpkg | methinks raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. |
| 22:02.45 | poonj | umm, okay |
| 22:02.51 | poonj | then I'm going to have to reinstall this thing |
| 22:03.39 | acurax | ..:| |
| 22:03.43 | secher | viagra? Tragedy? |
| 22:04.07 | peterS | acurax: what do you mean 'rebuild'? |
| 22:04.20 | acurax | when i goto mount my ntfs partition it says i need to like remopunt it in windows |
| 22:04.31 | peterS | acurax: if you've lost a disk, no you can't. if the disks are all still there, you can 'mdadm --assemble /dev/mdwhatever /dev/hdwhatever...' |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | peterS: i think you got them confused |
| 22:04.57 | acurax | Yeah.. |
| 22:05.04 | abrotman | peterS: you mean poonj ? |
| 22:05.16 | peterS | oh, so I did. thanks |
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| 22:07.22 | acurax | Windows did not shut down properly. Try to mount volume in windows, shut down and try again. |
| 22:07.24 | acurax | :| |
| 22:07.35 | acurax | Couldn't mount device '/dev/hda1' : Operation not supported |
| 22:07.37 | acurax | :| |
| 22:07.43 | abrotman | why are we being asked about windows ? |
| 22:07.57 | wols | abrotman: it's a mount error message |
| 22:08.18 | abrotman | can't he just force it ? |
| 22:08.35 | acurax | How do i force? |
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| 22:10.00 | xsdg | abrotman: force? NTFS? that doesn't sound good :o) |
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| 22:10.12 | abrotman | ntfs doesn't sound good .. but he's doing it |
| 22:10.23 | acurax | :| |
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| 22:10.45 | xsdg | abrotman: I've mounted NTFS fine read-only in the past |
| 22:10.46 | wols | xsdg: as long as he only does read only it should be fine |
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| 22:10.53 | abrotman | so have i |
| 22:10.55 | wols | and he can't really do read/write access anyways |
| 22:10.59 | acurax | yeah i only want read-only |
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| 22:12.35 | profounded | is there any scripts that will create an XF86Config file for me? |
| 22:13.10 | tremor | profounded: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 22:13.38 | abrotman | !tell profounded about drxx |
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| 22:15.43 | mcgreg | hi |
| 22:16.18 | mcgreg | is it possible to use tv-out with standard x.org from debian-apt-tree? isnt gatos "included" in x.org 7.0? |
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| 22:16.39 | jicallero | Hi someone knows where I can get ir-kbd-gpio module for debian ???? |
| 22:17.51 | abrotman | sarge? etch? |
| 22:19.34 | jicallero | etch |
| 22:19.42 | secher | abrotman: Dude, have to tell you waht started this whole expedition, I had a bad sector on my laptop disk, it hosed, and I had to spend 15 hours pulling files off with photorec and testdisk. Then I realize the files are to big to fit on any of my drives, so I had to buy an IDE pos and pollute my sleek little SCSI system just so I could store the recovered files. Now I have 77K files with no identifying characteristics other tha |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | secher: your irc client cut you off |
| 22:20.22 | secher | epic4? |
| 22:20.25 | secher | me? |
| 22:20.28 | secher | where. |
| 22:20.29 | jicallero | my kernel version is 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | re the recovered files. Now I have 77K files with no identifying characteristics other th |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | <abrotman> secher: your irc client cut you off |
| 22:20.43 | abrotman | !find ir-kbd-gpio sid |
| 22:20.44 | secher | other than the file extension. |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | secher: uhm .. that sucks :) |
| 22:21.44 | secher | Yeah, I wouldn't worry about the site files so much, but my recordings of my daughter talking while she's playing Everquest are on there... somewhere. |
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| 22:22.22 | abrotman | secher: sort by size |
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| 22:22.59 | secher | going to, I just need to get everythign up and running.. they're safe atm, so I'm not worried. |
| 22:23.13 | secher | anyway, back to work.. |
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| 22:25.09 | profounded | !help xmd5 |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | !tell profounded about xmd5 |
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| 22:26.10 | profounded | ty abrotman |
| 22:26.55 | secher | abrotman: have you seen the most recent CVS builds of e17? They are really getting damn close to a solid interface. If you've not, I suggest you check it out, it's beautiful and a pleasure to play with. Heh, I'm afraid to hit the enter key for fear you might call the IRCops on me. <grin> |
| 22:27.02 | abrotman | nope .. |
| 22:27.42 | hell-patrol | how i can install .deb packet? |
| 22:27.47 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 22:27.50 | hell-patrol | what is command |
| 22:28.41 | tarzeau | dpkg |
| 22:28.51 | tarzeau | you mean what is parameter? |
| 22:28.52 | hell-patrol | ok |
| 22:28.55 | hell-patrol | yes |
| 22:28.56 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 22:28.57 | hell-patrol | -i |
| 22:28.57 | hell-patrol | :P |
| 22:28.59 | abrotman | don't be lazy |
| 22:29.02 | hell-patrol | :D |
| 22:29.04 | hell-patrol | yes |
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| 22:29.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe he wants to install the .deb that has the manual page |
| 22:29.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: reader... |
| 22:29.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: golly gee .. how would he do that ? |
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| 22:30.26 | secher | opensores: LOL, TMI man. |
| 22:31.57 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, I'm using some unstable packages, and now when I try to apt-get install things, it's complaining because some of my packages are newer than what it's expecting |
| 22:32.00 | Lone_Wanderer | is there a way to fix this? |
| 22:32.02 | opensores | TMI? |
| 22:32.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Too Much Information |
| 22:32.12 | opensores | Ahh |
| 22:32.39 | opensores | it's a play on "open source" ;) |
| 22:32.50 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
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| 22:34.00 | secher | Oh.. whew. That's too subtle for me, I've got a thick E Eurpoean skull. |
| 22:34.06 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: are you running sarge then you shouldnt install unstable packages. if you're installing etch, you could use apt pinning for unstable and use -apt-get t unstable to install stuff from unstable. but its not recommended really |
| 22:34.10 | hell-patrol | how to setup x server |
| 22:34.13 | hell-patrol | in my machine |
| 22:34.20 | infernix | s/installing etch/running etch/ |
| 22:34.36 | Lone_Wanderer | infernix - which part of that isn't recommended? half the stuff I need is in unstable |
| 22:35.06 | abrotman | !tell Lone_Wanderer about simple sid backport |
| 22:35.07 | wols | mixing like you do isn't recommended |
| 22:35.10 | abrotman | !tell Lone_Wanderer about backports |
| 22:35.12 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: if you are already running etch and you really need unstable packages, you seem to be better off running unstable, and then you're on your own if packages break, 'cause thats what happens in sid |
| 22:35.13 | wols | !tell Lone_Wanderer about simple sid backport |
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| 22:36.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know what etch is so I guess I'm not already running it |
| 22:37.23 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: if you have stable or sarge lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, you're on stable and should never install stuff from unstable but use backports.org or backport it like dpkg told you |
| 22:37.53 | Lone_Wanderer | so if I just remove all the stable and sarge lines it should stop with the errors? |
| 22:38.02 | wols | Lone_Wanderer: no |
| 22:38.09 | wols | you have the packages already installed |
| 22:38.17 | Lone_Wanderer | yes... |
| 22:38.20 | infernix | uhm, no. if you installed unstable packages into stable, you need to remove them. |
| 22:38.33 | Lone_Wanderer | marvelous |
| 22:38.36 | wols | and there is no automtaic way to downgrade packages btw |
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| 22:39.00 | Lone_Wanderer | is there a distro I could use that's less of a pain in the ass to administer? |
| 22:39.14 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: you could try windows. |
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| 22:39.24 | Lone_Wanderer | HAHAHAHAHA omfg you're hilarious |
| 22:39.39 | wols | Lone_Wanderer: and you're asking stupid questions |
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| 22:40.08 | ry1 | Is it just me, or is anyone else having trouble compiling a 2.6.17.7 kernel under etch? |
| 22:40.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, all I know is that I've administered servers before and none of them were ever this much of a pain to deal with. |
| 22:40.32 | infernix | ry1: running 2.6.17.11 here, no problems. |
| 22:40.36 | wols | ry1: it's probably you. running 2.6.17.7 under sid |
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| 22:40.55 | Lone_Wanderer | then again, I guess that wasn't even linux, so >.> |
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| 22:41.09 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: if you dont know how to administer an OS, it's always a pain in the ass. and since you installed unstable into stable, you don't know enough yet to accurately form an opinion |
| 22:41.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm used to FreeBSD |
| 22:41.39 | ry1 | wols: did you downgrade? I had to install using a 2.6.8 kernel because of my rotten sata setup, but it won't let me downgrade to the more stable 2.6.17.7 |
| 22:41.41 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: www.debian.org > Documentation. good stuff. |
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| 22:41.58 | Lone_Wanderer | and iirc it was someone on this channel who helped me install the unstable packages |
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| 22:42.07 | wols | ry1: 2.6.8 is ovre a year old. going to 2.6.17 is an upgrade |
| 22:42.12 | wols | 8 is lower than 17 |
| 22:42.32 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: probably someone who doesn't know well enough, or maybe miscommunication |
| 22:42.46 | wols | and you can change kernels however you want (more or less) |
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| 22:43.30 | ry1 | wols: wow, I feel like an idiot, but all the same, when I upgrade from sarge to etch and then try to compile any sort of kernel, I start getting errors during driver compile. |
| 22:43.32 | Lone_Wanderer | So what do I do now, just wipe the whole thing and reinstall, or what? |
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| 22:43.57 | wols | you remove the unstable packages as someone already told you |
| 22:44.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I *need* the unstable packages. |
| 22:44.07 | wols | of course you can pretend it's windows and reinstall too. your choice |
| 22:44.18 | wols | Lone_Wanderer: no you don't |
| 22:44.19 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: depends on how bad you messed it up. remove the unstable packages or just upgrade to unstable but since you're new thats not smart. i suggest a reinstall using etch. |
| 22:44.21 | Lone_Wanderer | ... |
| 22:44.24 | wols | !tell Lone_Wanderer about backports |
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| 22:44.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, if I want to use my server for the things I intend to do with it, I need the unstable packages. |
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| 22:44.45 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: and read the docs. |
| 22:44.56 | wols | Lone_Wanderer: are you listening or playing dumb? |
| 22:45.09 | wols | chances are whatever you need is available as a backport |
| 22:45.16 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 22:45.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I kind of doubt it but I'll look into it anyway |
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| 22:45.41 | infernix | Lone_Wanderer: if you already know then why ask? |
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| 22:49.56 | profounded | anyone know of a man or web tutorial that can help me learn how to use the cool features of shell, e.g. hitting tab to fill file name, or stuff like that? |
| 22:50.09 | profounded | silly question i guess, but i dont know how to.. |
| 22:50.24 | Lone_Wanderer | which shell? |
| 22:50.32 | profounded | i dont know how to tell? |
| 22:50.37 | Lone_Wanderer | echo $SHELL |
| 22:50.49 | Lone_Wanderer | (but if you don't know then it's probably bash) |
| 22:51.03 | profounded | bash |
| 22:51.03 | profounded | :) |
| 22:51.07 | profounded | man bash? |
| 22:51.08 | infernix | google for bash introduction/tutorial/tricks and tips |
| 22:51.17 | profounded | will do |
| 22:51.23 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+tutorial |
| 22:51.35 | troubled | you ever read through that man page?! |
| 22:51.43 | infernix | sometimes |
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| 22:51.52 | infernix | but only as reference, not as a full read:) |
| 22:52.15 | troubled | ya, not exactly something you wanna memorize in one reading lol |
| 22:52.17 | Suprano | i wrote a simple program which displays a white square. it works in windows but not in linux (its crossplatform). I linux the opengl commands seem to be ignored. What could cause this ? |
| 22:52.41 | troubled | Suprano: sounds like a question for a opengl mailing list |
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| 22:52.54 | acurax | How do i install gtk 2.0? |
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| 22:53.45 | Lone_Wanderer | If it works in Windows but not Linux then it's not cross platform, innit? ;) |
| 22:54.17 | troubled | I think lone has a point though ;) |
| 22:54.21 | Suprano | Lone_Wanderer, :P |
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| 22:57.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: goonies is nice, but the licensing is non-existant |
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| 22:58.53 | Werdna_ | werdna, get off my damn nick |
| 22:59.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:59.04 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:59.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Werdna_: If you've got it registered, you can boot them off. /msg nickserv help |
| 22:59.29 | Werdna | Lone_Wanderer, see above. |
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| 22:59.43 | troubled | heh |
| 22:59.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I see nothing above except your "get off my damn nick" |
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| 23:00.01 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:00.03 | Werdna | <-- werdna_ has quit (Nick collision from services.) |
| 23:00.05 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, I've got conference mode on |
| 23:00.07 | p3rti | hi |
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| 23:00.25 | p3rti | someone know about a CV Software for make a webpage of CV. |
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| 23:00.34 | p3rti | CV=Curriculum Vitae. |
| 23:00.48 | Lone_Wanderer | p3rti: I use vim. |
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| 23:00.54 | ry1 | wols: yep, same error when compiling the media drivers in 2.6.17.7 under etch, very wierd... |
| 23:00.55 | troubled | Werdna: getting carried away isnt it? |
| 23:01.04 | Werdna | troubled, you'd think he'd learn |
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| 23:01.17 | p3rti | Lone_Wanderer, i mean like a CMS Software.. like joomla or sometime like that |
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| 23:01.33 | Werdna | dammit |
| 23:01.34 | ozatomic | is anyone having problems with 'passwd' in the apt-get upgrade |
| 23:01.39 | Werdna | I used RECOVER instead of GHOST |
| 23:01.42 | Lone_Wanderer | p3rti: Yeah, I use vim ;) |
| 23:01.47 | Werdna | and he came back with two damn underscores |
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| 23:01.51 | p3rti | Lone_Wanderer, lol :) |
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| 23:02.17 | Lone_Wanderer | j/k, your best bet is probably to roll your own though |
| 23:02.27 | Lone_Wanderer | or hit up sourceforge |
| 23:02.44 | nvz | I'm about to roll my own and hit it too |
| 23:02.52 | troubled | nvz: heh |
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| 23:03.05 | Lone_Wanderer | speaking of which, I need to call my sister |
| 23:04.10 | sanmarcos | any good recommendations for graphical chess games in linux? |
| 23:04.22 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: brutalchess |
| 23:04.32 | sanmarcos | thank you tarzan |
| 23:04.37 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: i'm not tarzan |
| 23:04.44 | troubled | lol |
| 23:04.46 | sanmarcos | ahh sorry, typo |
| 23:05.15 | troubled | sanmarcos: although, tar can be considered kinda old school and basic at times :) |
| 23:05.29 | tarzeau | troubled: nothing wrong with simplicity |
| 23:05.35 | tarzeau | troubled: and old is not bad |
| 23:05.41 | troubled | tarzeau: nope, not at all :) |
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| 23:05.44 | tarzeau | just like all modern things aren't great |
| 23:05.53 | Ashex | what's the delightful command to reconfigure the sources.list file? |
| 23:06.00 | troubled | tarzeau: I gotta ask though, what does the e and u options for? |
| 23:06.11 | troubled | tarzeau: tarzeau --help :) |
| 23:06.18 | Ashex | setup didn't detect my pcmcia ethernet card and i need to add some repos in |
| 23:06.33 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a more cultured, refined version of tarza ;) |
| 23:06.37 | nvz | Ashex: most people would use an editor |
| 23:07.02 | nvz | Ashex: I am not sure how delightful it is but you could try apt-setup |
| 23:07.11 | troubled | Ashex: unfortunatly, debian doesnt have an "easy button" like staples does yet ;) |
| 23:07.19 | Ashex | heh |
| 23:07.31 | Ashex | yeah, i'm just being a lazy bumb |
| 23:08.28 | magyar | ahyone knows why there is no 2.6.17-2 em64p kernel for sid? |
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| 23:08.39 | Aleric | re |
| 23:08.40 | ry1 | does anyone know how to make irssi stop desplaying everyone's whois information every time they enter or leave the chan? |
| 23:08.43 | tarzeau | magyar: because nobody made one, build it yourself |
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| 23:08.54 | tarzeau | ry1: it doesn't by default |
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| 23:09.03 | tarzeau | ry1: you can ignore such things, #irssi |
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| 23:09.21 | ry1 | tarzeau: hmmm, must be speakup being a pain again |
| 23:09.39 | tarzeau | i'm not bread |
| 23:09.42 | magyar | tarzeau: is there a build issue or just not on agenda any more? |
| 23:09.52 | Aleric | ,me swapped harddisks and graphic cards - now I'm running xchat from my old PC, but running FC5 - and installing debian on the new PC with the new 320 GB harddisk :) |
| 23:09.52 | tarzeau | magyar: no idea, don't have em64p |
| 23:09.55 | Ashex | white or wheat? |
| 23:10.02 | tarzeau | Ashex: toast |
| 23:10.03 | magyar | tarzeau: oh |
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| 23:10.13 | Ashex | whole grain? |
| 23:10.18 | tarzeau | Ashex: ick |
| 23:10.20 | tarzeau | Ashex: of course not |
| 23:10.22 | rvsjoen | Ashex: why not just edit it manually ? |
| 23:10.57 | Aleric | Install question: Should I use LVM (Logical Volume Manager)? What is the advantage/disadvantage of that? |
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| 23:10.58 | Ashex | rvsjoen, because I'm a lazy bumb? |
| 23:11.05 | tarzeau | Aleric: no |
| 23:11.12 | nvz | !+dict bumb |
| 23:11.14 | tarzeau | Aleric: how many harddisks do you have? what size? |
| 23:11.14 | dpkg | could not find definition for bumb |
| 23:11.26 | Ashex | try bum |
| 23:11.36 | nvz | o.O |
| 23:11.44 | Ashex | !+dict bum |
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| 23:12.00 | rvsjoen | I dont really see any reason to use LVM unless setting up a server... is there any other userful uses of LVM ? |
| 23:12.01 | Aleric | tarzeau: At the moment the box has one disk of 320 GB, I will move over one or two of 160 GB later (with all my old data on it), I think. But only after everything works. |
| 23:12.37 | tarzeau | rvsjoen: no |
| 23:12.41 | tarzeau | rvsjoen: confuse users |
| 23:12.43 | kasper | i've installed xserver-xorg-core from unstable. it was running fine. threw 3 reboots. now i'm getting "I810(0): No video bios modes for chosen depth" |
| 23:12.47 | Guerin | i just don't trust lvm |
| 23:12.53 | nvz | if you know how to spell it then why keep sounding like a moron |
| 23:13.00 | Guerin | i like the ability to take a physical disk out of a box and know what's on it |
| 23:13.03 | nvz | !yinzersmite Ashex |
| 23:13.13 | kasper | everything is setup correctly in xorg.conf any ideas? |
| 23:13.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: me too |
| 23:13.21 | Aleric | Ok, thanks - I won't use it :) |
| 23:13.24 | crn | how do i turn off gdm. i want to boot to a terminal without x. |
| 23:13.35 | Ashex | I swear I found them in a gutter! |
| 23:13.44 | Aleric | ,me is going to design a new partition size sheme... bbl |
| 23:13.45 | Guerin | tarzeau: as they say, if you can't put it in your pocklet and take it hom, it ain't a backup |
| 23:13.48 | tarzeau | crn: remove '*dm' |
| 23:13.58 | ry1 | crn: delete the gdm simlink from /etc/rc2.d |
| 23:14.06 | tarzeau | Guerin: heh, hearing that the first time |
| 23:14.14 | crn | thanks guys |
| 23:14.28 | rvsjoen | use update-rc.d to modify the symlinks in /etc/rcX |
| 23:14.40 | Aleric | Is 100 MB (More than) enough for /boot ? |
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| 23:15.01 | rvsjoen | more than enough |
| 23:15.08 | Aleric | k |
| 23:15.10 | tarzeau | Aleric: it's ok |
| 23:15.15 | tarzeau | rvsjoen: depends what he wants to do |
| 23:15.49 | kasper | is there a configuration utility for xorg like xf86config? |
| 23:15.55 | tarzeau | Aleric: you'll get only 8-12 linux kernels into that size |
| 23:16.04 | tarzeau | kasper: X -configure |
| 23:16.11 | nvz | kasper: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:16.15 | troubled | tarzeau: how many kernels you keep around man? |
| 23:16.24 | tarzeau | troubled: depends what i want to do |
| 23:16.35 | rvsjoen | I have 2 kernels atm an /boot is using 1.7M ... |
| 23:16.37 | tarzeau | troubled: at least two, sometimes 10 |
| 23:16.43 | troubled | tarzeau: set a boot loader menu length record aparently :) |
| 23:16.49 | Guerin | Aleric: 100mb is plenty for /boot |
| 23:16.50 | tarzeau | troubled: usually 2x2.4 and 2x2.6 |
| 23:16.52 | kasper | tarzeau: troubled: thanks. will those take care of ^ issue? |
| 23:17.13 | nvz | I keep 3 kernels at any time, stable, oldstable and testing |
| 23:17.23 | rvsjoen | why are the kernels taking up so little space in my /boot ? is it because i'm not using initrd ? |
| 23:17.30 | nvz | usually whatever I am testing is plenty stable |
| 23:17.31 | tarzeau | nvz: wait, you use debian kernels? |
| 23:17.42 | tarzeau | rvsjoen: i386? |
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| 23:17.50 | tarzeau | rvsjoen: what hardware? maybe you do all as modules? |
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| 23:18.01 | tarzeau | rvsjoen: and have not a large variety of hardware you need to support with one kernel? |
| 23:18.08 | nvz | no my oldstable kernel is usually the debian kernel and my stable one is the last one I compiled and the testing one is whatever source tree I am working on |
| 23:18.24 | rvsjoen | not much hardware, most of it compiled as modules |
| 23:18.31 | tarzeau | nvz: any patches you add to your kernels? |
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| 23:18.44 | tarzeau | rvsjoen: that's it... |
| 23:18.50 | ry1 | troubled: have you had any problems compiling a 2.6.17.7 kernel under etch? I have a feeling that when I hit make menuconfig, it does a make oldconfig and somewhere in that 2.6.8 debian stock kernel's settings is a driver or something that won't build. trouble is that I can't find which one won't compile |
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| 23:18.55 | rvsjoen | the kernel image itself it 903K |
| 23:18.58 | nvz | tarzeau: not currently. no buggy hardware no fancy extras. |
| 23:19.14 | rvsjoen | oh well, bedtime |
| 23:19.15 | rvsjoen | nite |
| 23:19.37 | tarzeau | i've got 5 kernels at my work box, /boot is 30 mb |
| 23:19.48 | tarzeau | personally i make /boot larger or not separate at all |
| 23:20.03 | Aleric | Does debian use /opt ? |
| 23:20.05 | tarzeau | and i prefer swapfiles over swap partitions |
| 23:20.16 | tarzeau | since i'm always running out of partitions... |
| 23:20.17 | tarzeau | Aleric: no |
| 23:20.28 | Aleric | thanks :) |
| 23:20.29 | tarzeau | Aleric: just like /usr/local |
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| 23:20.42 | nvz | Aleric: read the FHS for information on filesystem structure |
| 23:21.00 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.01 | kasper | troubled: is there another place other than /etc/X11/ that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will save xorg.conf to? |
| 23:21.19 | tarzeau | nvz: without source |
| 23:21.27 | tarzeau | nvz: and /usr/local is for 3rd party software with source |
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| 23:21.47 | tarzeau | but i've seen ulgy 3rd party software go into /opt too |
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| 23:22.22 | troubled | ry1: yes? |
| 23:22.31 | troubled | kasper: why you asking me? |
| 23:22.39 | tuxedup | when compiling kde apps on debian what do you have to prefix to the ./configure to make sure everything is installed in the correct locations on debian? |
| 23:22.42 | troubled | kasper: you were talking with tarzeau last I seen heh |
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| 23:22.57 | Aleric | I will make partions for: /boot, /, /var, /usr, /usr/local, swap (and /tmp), /home, /opt, /opt/large, /opt/encrypted and /usr/src |
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| 23:23.06 | Aleric | The question is: how large should /usr be? |
| 23:23.13 | tarzeau | tuxedup: haha |
| 23:23.20 | ry1 | troubled: ? |
| 23:23.24 | tarzeau | tuxedup: that's what a debian developer/maintainer does |
| 23:23.41 | tarzeau | tuxedup: i'm not sure about building kde apps... but it's probably not just the one right configure |
| 23:23.49 | tarzeau | Aleric: large enough :) |
| 23:23.56 | tarzeau | Aleric: i do one large / |
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| 23:24.06 | tuxedup | tarzeau: this is for applications that are not in the debian repositories |
| 23:24.09 | troubled | ry1: troubled: have you had any problems compiling a 2.6.17.7 kernel under etch? I have a feeling that when I hit make menuconfig, it does a make oldconfig and somewhere in that 2.6.8 debian stock kernel's settings is a driver or something that won't build. trouble is that I can't find which one won't compile |
| 23:24.21 | tarzeau | tuxedup: yes i know |
| 23:24.33 | tarzeau | tuxedup: you can even package applications yourself that are not in the debian repositories |
| 23:24.37 | ry1 | troubled: were you able to fix it? |
| 23:24.47 | tarzeau | tuxedup: making debian packages is not a secret |
| 23:24.49 | Aleric | tarzeau: I currently had 100 GB for /usr, but I'm constantly out of diskspace on /opt/large (movies and stuff), so.. I'd prefer if I could make /usr say 40 GB |
| 23:25.00 | Aleric | No idea if that ever could become too small. |
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| 23:25.17 | troubled | ry1: i dont even know who you are or wtf your talkin about lol. why you ask me in the first place was my question. |
| 23:25.29 | tarzeau | Aleric: 40 gb is good, but everything can become too small |
| 23:25.39 | tarzeau | it's just a matter of time, how you work, and what you do |
| 23:25.48 | tuxedup | tarzeau: I know but the ./configure does not seem to be configuring the source for debian. The application cannot be run because the files are not going in the correct directories |
| 23:26.12 | tarzeau | tuxedup: yes, you must fix that |
| 23:26.15 | Guerin | Aleric: i put all my storage in /media/data[01234] |
| 23:26.22 | Guerin | no lvm |
| 23:26.23 | tarzeau | tuxedup: kde applications don't know about debian. fhs, or anything |
| 23:26.27 | tarzeau | tuxedup: they are just software |
| 23:26.38 | tarzeau | tuxedup: they can be compiled , and then put somewhere |
| 23:26.50 | ry1 | troubled: sorry, what with being inandated by whoises and everyone's nicks seeming to have a "tarzeau" prefex, I've been kind of confused. I thought you were the one who had anywhere between two to ten kernels as said by someone about five mins ago... any, sorry for the confusion, I think I'll leave until I can sort out these speakup and or irssi problems. |
| 23:26.56 | Aleric | ok... 40 GB for /usr ... lemme check how much I actually USED ;) |
| 23:27.05 | tuxedup | tarzeau: I know but I thought you could passparametres to the configure script and then that would generate the make files and the files would go in the directory kde you specified |
| 23:27.17 | troubled | ry1: lol, np... |
| 23:27.33 | troubled | tarzeau: see what you did! ;) |
| 23:27.35 | tarzeau | tuxedup: yes you can, do you mean --prefix=/usr ? |
| 23:27.53 | tarzeau | troubled: remote alt-f4 |
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| 23:28.00 | troubled | heh |
| 23:28.05 | tarzeau | and that was a remote /cycle |
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| 23:28.54 | tuxedup | tarzeau: yeh, I tried it with --prefix=usr/lib/kde and --prefix=/usr/share/apps/ but neither made ay difference, is here some other directory I should be pointing it too. |
| 23:28.55 | TTimo | did sid get totally hosed again ? |
| 23:29.11 | tarzeau | tuxedup: hehe, you didn't get the idea of --prefix |
| 23:29.11 | TTimo | # apt-get update |
| 23:29.11 | TTimo | apt-get: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) |
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| 23:29.22 | tarzeau | tuxedup: look at some debian source kde packages |
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| 23:29.34 | tarzeau | tuxedup: but maybe you will be able to understand why i love gnustep build system |
| 23:29.37 | Aleric | `GCC_4.2.0' lol |
| 23:29.42 | tarzeau | tuxedup: (because it doesn't use configure :) |
| 23:29.58 | tarzeau | Aleric: released? |
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| 23:30.08 | Aleric | heh, not that I know |
| 23:30.17 | Aleric | I pasted what TTimo said |
| 23:30.32 | TTimo | well that was just uploaded to sid |
| 23:30.48 | TTimo | and you know it's some major horkage when apt doesn't work anymore |
| 23:30.49 | tarzeau | gcc.gnu.org doesn't know gcc 4.2.0 |
| 23:30.55 | Aleric | Something tells me it's unreasonable to require 4.2.0 |
| 23:31.07 | Aleric | It's probably gcc HEAD cvs |
| 23:31.07 | caue | how to install nvidia driver in debian? |
| 23:31.28 | tarzeau | caue: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
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| 23:31.46 | caue | tarzeau, install using apt repositories |
| 23:32.07 | tarzeau | caue: forget it |
| 23:32.13 | tarzeau | caue: it doesn't exist in main |
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| 23:32.42 | fourat | anyone know if there's a linux tool to migrate MS Acces DB to MySQL dump ? |
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| 23:32.52 | tarzeau | fourat: there's some tools, yes |
| 23:33.07 | tarzeau | fourat: and they are not linux specific, |
| 23:33.13 | fourat | tarzeau, example :) |
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| 23:33.46 | tarzeau | fourat: mdbtools ? |
| 23:34.11 | tarzeau | wow gnu backgammon would be nice, if only they didn't use gtk |
| 23:34.33 | magyar | which module to load JMicron controller? |
| 23:34.44 | fedt | how do i fix when i'm running ./configure that 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.12.3, but glib (2.6.4) was found |
| 23:34.54 | caue | chmod: impossível acessar `./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run': Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado |
| 23:35.02 | caue | tarzeau, the file can't found |
| 23:35.04 | robin_sz | bah ... how can I paste highlighted text from an Xterm into an email ... the usual highlight and centre button to paste doesnt seem to work with thunderbird :( .. this is Gnome btw. |
| 23:35.05 | tarzeau | caue: make it 8774 |
| 23:35.15 | tarzeau | caue: oh sorry, the script is old, let me update it |
| 23:35.32 | Aleric | fedt: Find the old glib-2.0.pc file on your machine that thinks that 2.12.3 makes sense. |
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| 23:35.51 | tarzeau | caue: that's the latest: http://debian.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/nvidia-driver |
| 23:36.13 | caue | tarzeau, i change the version of package now i'm downloading |
| 23:36.18 | caue | that's right? |
| 23:36.19 | Aleric | fedt: and/or fix your PKG_CONFIG_PATH (or was that with an underscore less?) |
| 23:36.22 | tarzeau | caue: you have kernel sources? |
| 23:36.31 | applet | woohoo got so far but can anyone help with a grub error 17 for a noob ? |
| 23:36.37 | caue | i don't think so |
| 23:36.41 | tarzeau | caue: the script is not perfect it fails if the retarded linux guys add new numbers and dots to the version |
| 23:36.45 | tarzeau | caue: (or remove them) |
| 23:36.58 | tarzeau | and it also fails when debian dudes use linux-kernel instead of kernel-source |
| 23:37.13 | tarzeau | i know it sucks, but besides those two quirks which could be fixed |
| 23:37.17 | tarzeau | it works great (for me) |
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| 23:38.15 | fedt | aleric: where is it? |
| 23:38.57 | Aleric | fedt: Somewhere in your PKGCONFIG_PATH... sorry, my machines are hopelessly broken at the moment :/ |
| 23:39.28 | Aleric | fedt: try: locate glib-2.0.pc |
| 23:39.48 | tuxedup | tarzeau: managed to sort the issue with configuring the package, I used the configure command from a deb-src build file |
| 23:39.53 | TTimo | so I'm assume no one has hit my problem yet then |
| 23:40.04 | tarzeau | tuxedup: this is not guaranteed to work |
| 23:40.26 | kasper | i installed xserver-xorg-core from unstable. everything worked fine. now when i x starts i get: "I810: No Video BIOS modes for chosen depth. Screens found, but none have usable configuration |
| 23:40.43 | kasper | i've check xorg.conf everything is the same as it was when it was running fine any ideas? |
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| 23:40.55 | Aleric | Does debian install stuff in /usr/src ? |
| 23:40.57 | tarzeau | kasper: can you post an url to your config file? |
| 23:41.01 | tarzeau | Aleric: yes |
| 23:41.12 | Aleric | tarzeau: where exactly in /usr/src ? |
| 23:41.20 | tarzeau | Aleric: in /usr/src or subdirs |
| 23:41.26 | Aleric | ouch |
| 23:41.29 | tarzeau | Aleric: why? |
| 23:41.33 | Guerin | /uysr/src/packagename |
| 23:41.35 | Guerin | usually |
| 23:41.35 | magyar | how many release candidates does the kernel have before stable? |
| 23:41.42 | Guerin | magyar: as many as it needs |
| 23:41.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: ? no |
| 23:41.51 | tarzeau | Guerin: kernel/linux-source tarballs go right into /usr/src |
| 23:41.52 | Guerin | tarzeau: no? |
| 23:41.52 | kasper | tarzeau: hmm. the issue is with my laptop. and i'm on my dektop on irc. any ideas as to how i could transfer? |
| 23:41.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: and module sources in /usr/src/modules |
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| 23:42.04 | Guerin | tarzeau: no, they get a subdir of theyn own\ |
| 23:42.11 | tarzeau | Guerin: no they don't |
| 23:42.15 | Guerin | okj |
| 23:42.20 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'm talking kernel-sources made with make-kpkg, for sarge |
| 23:42.33 | Guerin | i shall defer, on account of not having built a kernel since about november |
| 23:42.37 | kasper | tarzeau: you want the output of startx right? |
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| 23:42.52 | fedt | aleric: i found the glib-2.0.pc, what d i do with it? |
| 23:42.52 | Aleric | tarzeau: I was going to wait with mounting /usr/src till everything works... I guess I'll have to migrate my stuff to a different place. That will require to change a LOT of paths... I 'hardcoded' /usr/src in a lot of places :/ |
| 23:42.56 | tarzeau | kasper: no , just your x configuration file |
| 23:43.06 | riot | Aleric: use /usr/local/src maybe |
| 23:43.11 | tarzeau | Aleric: ouch |
| 23:43.17 | Aleric | fedt: does it mention this 2.12.3? |
| 23:43.21 | tarzeau | riot: i personally prefer to use /usr/src |
| 23:43.34 | fedt | yeah "Version 2.12.3" |
| 23:43.41 | tarzeau | Aleric: it's not normal software packages that put stuff in /usr/src |
| 23:43.44 | tarzeau | Aleric: only kernel stuff, imho |
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| 23:44.10 | Aleric | fedt: Ok, now find where 2.12.3 is installed, if at all. Likely - that is in the same prefix as where you found that .pc file |
| 23:44.23 | secher | szia magyar, mi van? |
| 23:44.26 | kasper | tarzeau: will pastebin with w/ lynx? |
| 23:44.34 | Aleric | fedt: What is the full path of this .pc ? |
| 23:44.41 | tarzeau | kasper: work? dunno, i use links2 |
| 23:44.53 | magyar | secher: szervus foldi |
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| 23:45.14 | Aleric | tarzeau: Ah, debian only puts kernel stuff in /usr/src? Where does it put (info about) all packages? |
| 23:45.38 | tarzeau | Aleric: /var ? |
| 23:45.51 | kasper | tarzeau: i just got links2. it doesn't have a place to paste to. (im in console) |
| 23:45.54 | fedt | it was in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc |
| 23:46.03 | tarzeau | kasper: do you know gnu screen? |
| 23:46.09 | magyar | tarzeau: if lspci seeing a controller, does it mean there is a module for it? |
| 23:46.11 | tarzeau | kasper: it can copy paste in console |
| 23:46.14 | Aleric | I thought there where directories-per-package, with headers and .deb files all what not. |
| 23:46.16 | tarzeau | magyar: no |
| 23:46.20 | magyar | k |
| 23:46.24 | tarzeau | magyar: it just means, the device appears in the pci list |
| 23:46.31 | Aleric | fedt: So, is there a 2.12.3 installed in /usr/local/lib ? |
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| 23:46.38 | magyar | tarzeau: roger, thx |
| 23:46.51 | robin_sz | Aleric, perl -pi -e's/someting/new thing/g' myfile.sh <-- hard coded paths solved in an instant ;) |
| 23:47.05 | kasper | tarzeau: you mean screen? |
| 23:47.08 | sm | hi all.. where is a debian-specific howto for configuring postfix to do authenticated smtp ? |
| 23:47.13 | tarzeau | kasper: yes |
| 23:47.24 | kasper | i've got it, what do i do? |
| 23:47.27 | magyar | sm: #postfix |
| 23:47.30 | Aleric | robin_sz: only if you know all the myfile.sh's :p |
| 23:47.35 | tarzeau | kasper: start it, then links2 |
| 23:47.45 | tarzeau | kasper: then go where you have text you want to copy paste |
| 23:47.47 | Aleric | robin_sz: it contain 40 GB should tell you something :p |
| 23:47.47 | robin_sz | Aleric, perl -pi -e's/someting/new thing/g' * ;) |
| 23:47.54 | Aleric | containing |
| 23:47.54 | tarzeau | select + copy it, then paste it |
| 23:48.04 | tarzeau | kasper: but wait, do you not have a webserver? |
| 23:48.08 | tarzeau | kasper: apt-get install thttpd |
| 23:48.18 | tarzeau | kasper: cp /etc/X11/*org.conf /var/www |
| 23:48.24 | tarzeau | kasper: tell me your ip |
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| 23:48.46 | magyar | bahh |
| 23:48.52 | robin_sz | 40gb? coo .. that means you'll have to use xargs then :) |
| 23:48.53 | tarzeau | magyar: why? |
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| 23:49.11 | magyar | tarzeau: alan cox is working on the pata problems with JMicron |
| 23:49.14 | tarzeau | magyar: i've had to patch in the e1000.sf.net to be able to use those newer nics |
| 23:49.21 | fedt | aleric: no, in //usr/lcal/lib it only has 2.0 |
| 23:49.22 | tarzeau | magyar: poor you |
| 23:49.26 | magyar | :) |
| 23:49.30 | tarzeau | magyar: i had to use an ubuntu kernel to install debian |
| 23:49.35 | tarzeau | magyar: that was disgusting |
| 23:49.37 | magyar | nice |
| 23:49.40 | tarzeau | magyar: gnu/kfreebsd worked |
| 23:49.45 | magyar | wow |
| 23:49.45 | Aleric | fedt: They call any 2.x 2.0. |
| 23:49.46 | tarzeau | but not debian, nor the patched up debian |
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| 23:50.07 | applet | any help on grub error 17 ? tons of googlie shit on it but most was useless as me first linux install |
| 23:50.15 | fedt | well then yes, it's there |
| 23:50.16 | magyar | tarzeau: i find debian sid is almost like etch |
| 23:50.17 | tarzeau | applet: no idea, there's #grub |
| 23:50.18 | Aleric | fedt: If there is a *.so.2.0, then I bet it's a symbolic link. Where does it point at? |
| 23:50.24 | kasper | tarzeau: get it? |
| 23:50.26 | tarzeau | magyar: i find sid is much better than etch |
| 23:50.33 | tarzeau | kasper: no, what's your url? |
| 23:50.36 | tarzeau | kasper: your ip? |
| 23:50.37 | applet | really kewl |
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| 23:51.01 | magyar | tarzeau: in a way, but still some packages are in stable for month and still not in sid |
| 23:51.12 | tarzeau | i really hate that additional version number for 2.4.x kernels |
| 23:51.21 | kasper | tarzeau:68.47.182.40 |
| 23:51.27 | tarzeau | and the occassional removal of the last digit/number |
| 23:51.35 | magyar | tarzeau: i meant the packages are non RC |
| 23:51.47 | robin_sz | tarzeau, you were the last person I expected to see advertising Ubuntu on here ... |
| 23:51.52 | tarzeau | kasper: but did you install thttpd? and is it running? |
| 23:52.00 | tarzeau | robin_sz: i wasn't advertising ubuntu |
| 23:52.14 | tarzeau | robin_sz: i was just stating, i HAD to use an ubuntu kernel to be able to install debian gnu/linux |
| 23:52.23 | tarzeau | robin_sz: because debian kernels are so fucking crappy |
| 23:52.29 | tarzeau | robin_sz: they don't work on hardware you buy this year |
| 23:52.39 | kasper | tarzeau: yea its running |
| 23:52.45 | magyar | amen, i had my share of module problems |
| 23:52.59 | tarzeau | kasper: i can't connect, or it's so slow i don't have patience... |
| 23:53.05 | tarzeau | kasper: do you see any connections in the logfiles? |
| 23:53.24 | tarzeau | kasper: have some firewall? |
| 23:53.27 | magyar | I change a mobo( that is one year old) etch doesnt load the nic's. Now that sucks |
| 23:53.35 | fedt | what's the command to install a .deb package? |
| 23:53.39 | robin_sz | tarzeau, well yes, this happens .. but .. still, please give warnings if you are about to praise Ubuntu, as it can cause people to fall of their chairs, or blurp coffee onto keyboards |
| 23:53.44 | tarzeau | fedt: dpkg -i |
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| 23:53.50 | kasper | tarzeau: thttpd is started but port 80 is not open |
| 23:53.52 | Aleric | fedt: Anyway,, I have to move on. Your problem is caused by this .pc reporting a different version then the library that is being linked with; that can be caused by wrong search PATHs, for example PKGCONFIG_PATH looks first in /usr/local and your -L lines first look in /lib. It can also be caused by the fact that this .pc file is a "left over" and the library it mentions is not really installed (anymore). In that case you should delete it. Never de |
| 23:53.52 | Aleric | lete anything unless you know what you are doing. |
| 23:53.58 | tarzeau | robin_sz: yeah that's dangerous |
| 23:54.05 | tarzeau | robin_sz: i'll keep that in mind :) |
| 23:54.11 | tarzeau | robin_sz: are you alright? |
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| 23:54.24 | tarzeau | robin_sz: of course it was the first thing i removed after having a real kernel |
| 23:54.34 | tarzeau | kasper: why not? |
| 23:54.47 | kasper | good question |
| 23:54.53 | tarzeau | kasper: check thttpd.conf and /etc/defaults and its init script |
| 23:55.08 | robin_sz | tarzeau, the chair will recover, I'll shower the laptop to remove the coffee ;) |
| 23:55.09 | tarzeau | kasper: and you must have a config file, see /usr/share/doc/thttpd/ (maybe examples/) |
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| 23:55.16 | tarzeau | haha |
| 23:55.36 | tarzeau | i hope it wasn't an apple laptop |
| 23:55.37 | secher | I just really don't understand what's going on here. /dev/sda has 3 partitions, sda1 is / and toggled bootable, sda2 is /boot and sda3 is swap. It's the first drive on the chain, has an ID of 0, and yet I still cannot get a successful grub or lilo mbr install. I just have no ideas left. |
| 23:55.53 | kasper | tarzeau: i've restarted it threw init.d i'll check conf |
| 23:55.56 | robin_sz | tarzeau, no, the apple is in the kitchen. |
| 23:56.02 | tarzeau | secher: could the harddisk have a problem? |
| 23:56.04 | robin_sz | tarzeau, we use it for cooking on |
| 23:56.13 | tarzeau | robin_sz: hehehe :) not to cut bread on? |
| 23:56.19 | robin_sz | nah, too hot. |
| 23:56.24 | robin_sz | toast maybe? |
| 23:56.31 | tarzeau | yeah toasted while cutting |
| 23:56.37 | secher | tarzeau: I moved everything to /dev/sdb2 and tried the install there, with the same result. |
| 23:56.49 | tarzeau | secher: which installer? sarge? |
| 23:56.51 | secher | tarzeau: rather sdb |
| 23:57.01 | tarzeau | secher: x86, i386 right? |
| 23:57.03 | magyar | tarzeau: picture this, a 8139too module and skge module for two nic's. The only way I can get it to work is unload them and modprobe them back, after init2. |
| 23:57.04 | kasper | tarzeau: config looks fine. try to connect agian. |
| 23:57.12 | secher | tarzeau: netinst 3.1 Yes. |
| 23:57.20 | tarzeau | magyar: ouch |
| 23:57.54 | tarzeau | kasper: i really can't connect. can you run tcpdump port 80 ? or ngrep port 80 ? |
| 23:58.03 | magyar | tarzeau: eventually i did a number with initramfs and hotplug/blacklist. But still that must suck for a newbie |
| 23:58.05 | tarzeau | kasper: it's timing out.. let me traceroute you |
| 23:58.12 | Aleric | Ok, I'll go for: /boot: 100 MB, swap: 5 GB, /: 5 Gb, logical partitions: /usr: 20 GB, /var: 5 GB, /home: 10 GB, /usr/local: 10 GB, /usr/src/: 60 GB ... and leave the remaining 220 GB free for the moment. |
| 23:58.42 | secher | tarzeau: do you keep track of how many people you help in parallel as a sort of competition with yourself? <grin> |
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| 23:59.04 | tarzeau | secher: nah i don't care about the number |
| 23:59.05 | kasper | tarzeau: ngrep up. |
| 23:59.20 | tarzeau | kasper: have you seen anything? i'm trying with links2 and telnet |
| 23:59.23 | magyar | secher: :) |
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| 23:59.26 | secher | tarzeau: anyway, it's the latest release of the netinst image. |
| 23:59.27 | tarzeau | kasper: but i don't get any connection |
| 23:59.33 | kasper | hmm. |
| 23:59.35 | kasper | hold up |
| 23:59.38 | tarzeau | secher: it must work |
| 23:59.47 | tarzeau | secher: i've never seen grub not work |
| 23:59.58 | tarzeau | secher: who is the harddisk manufacturer? is it real SCSI? |
