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| 00:00.07 | tarzeau | secher: do you have some funny scsi controller? bios? |
| 00:00.12 | secher | tarzeau: come talk to my system then. I get an Error 15, which is a file not found error. |
| 00:00.20 | tarzeau | kasper: in what country do you live? |
| 00:00.30 | kasper | US |
| 00:00.33 | tarzeau | secher: wait and you have what filesystem? |
| 00:00.34 | MatBoy | Why can;t a person program stuff and drink beer ? |
| 00:00.39 | secher | Advansys SCSI bios.. ext3 |
| 00:00.39 | Guerin | !tarzeau++ # rammar |
| 00:00.41 | tarzeau | secher: and all grub stuff is on one filesystem? |
| 00:00.45 | Guerin | grammar, too |
| 00:00.45 | secher | Yes. |
| 00:01.00 | tarzeau | Guerin: did i say something wrong? |
| 00:01.28 | ismael_ | hello, Is debian unstable too unstable to be usable? or is it just the name...? |
| 00:01.30 | tarzeau | secher: can i have a rom dump? (not that it would enable me to help you, i just collect them) |
| 00:01.33 | tarzeau | !ree |
| 00:01.33 | dpkg | it has been said that ree is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 00:01.41 | tarzeau | ismael_: just the name |
| 00:01.41 | Guerin | tarzeau: no, that's the point. Most native speakers would say 'what country do you live in? which is incorrect, as a conjunction is something you shouldn't end a sentence with. |
| 00:01.46 | tarzeau | ismael_: there's a sid faq |
| 00:02.11 | tarzeau | Guerin: ah |
| 00:02.20 | ismael_ | tarzeau googling for it now, thanks |
| 00:02.27 | secher | tarzeau: how would I go about getting the dump? |
| 00:02.28 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 00:02.28 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 00:02.45 | tarzeau | secher: just run ree, and look for *.rom files |
| 00:02.45 | streuner | Guerin: so HOW would you say that? :-) |
| 00:02.52 | Guerin | streuner: say what? |
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| 00:02.57 | secher | Oh, the ree was for me. Kk. |
| 00:03.05 | streuner | Guerin: what country do you live in? |
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| 00:03.12 | kasper | tarzeau: try now. i just installed apache. 80 is up |
| 00:03.21 | secher | tarzeau: I have to boot it into knoppix, one sec. |
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| 00:03.33 | Guerin | streuner: tarzeau said it correctly. Could substitute 'which' for 'what', but that's a matter of choice. |
| 00:03.35 | tarzeau | kasper: really it doesn't work |
| 00:03.44 | tarzeau | kasper: do you have iptables, ipchains or some other funky firewall? |
| 00:03.46 | robin_sz | Guerin, no, most ntivie speakers would say "which country do you live in" |
| 00:04.03 | Guerin | robin_sz: that don't make it grammatically correct, which is my point. |
| 00:04.06 | magyar | grammar nazis |
| 00:04.23 | tarzeau | magyar: i like grammar nazis |
| 00:04.28 | Guerin | grammar is valuable. Wiping out the jews was not. |
| 00:04.28 | robin_sz | Guerin, s/don't/doesn't/ |
| 00:04.32 | tarzeau | magyar: it's disgusting how todays youth speak |
| 00:04.42 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:04.44 | Guerin | robin_sz: point |
| 00:04.48 | tarzeau | magyar: the german language restructuring is very ugly too |
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| 00:05.07 | tarzeau | streuner: it's really ugly! |
| 00:05.16 | Ashex | I can't remember, does Debian have the proper codecs for mp3/ogg playback by default? |
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| 00:05.22 | streuner | LMAA |
| 00:05.24 | tarzeau | streuner: wenn ich ein bedeutender schriftsteller gewesen waere, haette ich etwas gesagt |
| 00:05.25 | magyar | tarzeau: languages do change in time. |
| 00:05.38 | tarzeau | magyar: oh i didn't say languages are static |
| 00:05.41 | magyar | so does grammar. Orwell |
| 00:05.44 | tarzeau | magyar: i just say there are good and bad changes |
| 00:05.56 | tarzeau | and i noticed some large amount of bad and ugly changes |
| 00:06.07 | tarzeau | !lmaa |
| 00:06.40 | robin_sz | and, in no version of english is 'I just gotten me a coffee' acceptable |
| 00:06.53 | tarzeau | robin_sz: hahaha , it hurts in the eyes and ears |
| 00:07.05 | tarzeau | robin_sz: but ever heards japanese people talk english? |
| 00:07.12 | tarzeau | robin_sz: or do translations? |
| 00:07.30 | robin_sz | tarzeau, its one of the sins. closely followed by {loose|lose} |
| 00:07.31 | magyar | did the word "nazi" came in existance during the holocaust? |
| 00:07.40 | tarzeau | robin_sz: and too/to |
| 00:07.46 | robin_sz | ooh, nasty. |
| 00:07.56 | tarzeau | kernel/kernal is funny |
| 00:08.17 | tarzeau | robin_sz: do you know the "filters" debian package? |
| 00:08.17 | robin_sz | tarzeau, I admin a list for motorcyclists .. and the number of them that get break/brake mixed up is unreal |
| 00:08.33 | secher | FUck it! I'm going out.. I was just poking areoun in the box checking cables for the umpteenth tiome and I just grouinded out a fucking drive and now I"ve lost the goddanmned adapter card. |
| 00:08.33 | robin_sz | tarzeau, not personally, no, should I? |
| 00:08.36 | streuner | magyar: a short form for "national-sozialists" |
| 00:08.36 | tarzeau | robin_sz: hehe, yeah i've seen that used wrong too |
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| 00:08.54 | tarzeau | robin_sz: yes, it has some really good text processors |
| 00:09.05 | tarzeau | robin_sz: nethackify is from me :) pretty cool |
| 00:09.16 | Guerin | magyar: with a nick like yours, you should know this. |
| 00:09.16 | robin_sz | tarzeau, can they parse american into readable English? |
| 00:09.22 | tarzeau | magyar: often prepended by scheiss |
| 00:09.32 | tarzeau | robin_sz: pity no |
| 00:09.35 | robin_sz | heh |
| 00:09.45 | Guerin | magyar: Nazi is short for 'Nazional', which means national, because the nazi party was the National Socialists |
| 00:10.04 | Guerin | here's what I was looking for: |
| 00:10.07 | Guerin | http://forums.invisionpower.com/lofiversion/index.php/t188205.html |
| 00:10.29 | magyar | Guerin: somewhat of a political behaviour i guees? |
| 00:10.40 | Guerin | magyar: eh? |
| 00:10.43 | tarzeau | robin_sz, Guerin, do you read shakespear? |
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| 00:11.10 | Guerin | tarzeau: spent three years at high skool and four years at university studying him on paper, stage and screen |
| 00:11.12 | robin_sz | tarzeau, not unless forced to. it rarely makes any sense at all to me, and yes I live in England |
| 00:11.43 | Guerin | shakespearean english isn't hard to understand |
| 00:11.44 | hjubal | bye |
| 00:11.48 | Guerin | you just need to read it slowly |
| 00:12.22 | tarzeau | "a midsummer night's dream"? |
| 00:12.53 | magyar | thau shall speak |
| 00:13.15 | Guerin | tarzeau: king lear is the one I know best |
| 00:13.36 | robin_sz | I donthink so ... I switched my brain off in English lessons .. and anyway, when I was at school in the 70s we didnt do any classics .. it was all modern crap |
| 00:14.01 | Guerin | robin_sz: more of a technical nature? Prefer maths/science? |
| 00:14.22 | Aleric | ,me notes that the install of debian allows me to set labels for the partitions. Wouldn't it be better if the install program set labels and used that them to refer to them from /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab? That way you can move a disk around without having to edit those files ;) |
| 00:14.24 | robin_sz | Guerin, yeah, well, more of a hating school persuasion really :) |
| 00:14.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:14.33 | tarzeau | Aleric: no |
| 00:14.43 | Aleric | tarzeau: Why not? |
| 00:14.44 | Guerin | labels are stupid |
| 00:14.48 | tarzeau | Aleric: besides not all fs support labels, and labels are limited in length |
| 00:15.10 | tarzeau | Aleric: no you can't, any os calls disks different |
| 00:15.26 | tarzeau | Aleric: heck even linux calls some disks /dev/hda, then /dev/sda, then /dev/discs/disk0 |
| 00:15.32 | tarzeau | Aleric: it's VERY inconsistent |
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| 00:16.02 | tarzeau | Aleric: but i have a solution for your problem |
| 00:16.10 | Guerin | beer |
| 00:16.13 | tarzeau | Aleric: never move disks around, always leave them where they are |
| 00:16.20 | Aleric | lol |
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| 00:16.35 | Aleric | I just moved my disks between machines - I had to :p |
| 00:16.36 | robin_sz | Guerin, in a nutshell, hated school. the rest of the school hated me. ended up in nearly bottom class with 18 months to go ... stuck my head in the books, studied hard, came out with the best grades in the school |
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| 00:16.46 | marco_ | what package includes dd? |
| 00:16.49 | Guerin | nice |
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| 00:16.57 | tarzeau | marco_: tried sdd? |
| 00:17.00 | Aleric | Also, I can leave one where it is - but have to remove another - or add one. That would also change the device number. |
| 00:17.07 | tarzeau | marco_: coreutils: /bin/dd |
| 00:17.23 | Guerin | robin_sz: i hated skool as well, but stuck it out because my girlfriend (now wife) was a scholarship student. Went to university and from bare Cs to straight As |
| 00:17.34 | Guerin | it's all about the difference in study environment |
| 00:17.38 | kasper___ | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/783109 |
| 00:17.54 | Aleric | Ie, my /dev/hde is hd(0) .. if I'd add a /dev/hda, then the hde changes into hd(1) -- grub doesn't like that :/ |
| 00:18.03 | Guerin | Aleric: so don't |
| 00:18.08 | Guerin | simple |
| 00:18.12 | robin_sz | Guerin, worse than that .. I paid to enter myself in exams for some subjects, got straight A's in them ... which confused the teachers because I wasnt even on that course :) |
| 00:18.21 | tarzeau | linux and alot of software is not very dynamic |
| 00:18.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:18.29 | tarzeau | c++ is not dynamic at all |
| 00:18.37 | tarzeau | Guerin: objective-c can very much be so |
| 00:18.42 | tarzeau | (and often is) |
| 00:18.50 | tarzeau | other kernels are too |
| 00:18.59 | Aleric | *shrug* -- I know what I'm doing - but I know for sure that this is giving newbies headaches. Grub shouldn't fail to boot when you move your disks, or add a disk. |
| 00:19.01 | tarzeau | linux has kexec... i haven't tested it yet |
| 00:19.05 | robin_sz | depends on what you mean by dynamic ... |
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| 00:19.16 | tarzeau | Aleric: true, but that's not grubs' problem |
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| 00:19.22 | robin_sz | as in not statically typed? |
| 00:19.27 | tarzeau | Aleric: disks get moved betweend different architectures |
| 00:19.40 | tarzeau | Aleric: and filesystems, and kernels, and grub really is only x86... |
| 00:19.49 | tarzeau | robin_sz: exactly |
| 00:20.13 | ismael_ | Can I get debian testing from my current kubuntu install without breaking everything? |
| 00:20.25 | tarzeau | robin_sz: i can not understand how people teach things, and don't talk about other things, narrowing alot of peoples' views |
| 00:20.39 | robin_sz | tarzeau, Perl is proably the best example of a dynamic language .. the OO inheritance model in Perl is abou as dynamic as you can get |
| 00:20.40 | tarzeau | robin_sz: killer example, java in schools |
| 00:20.44 | Guerin | Aleric: i feel your pain to a certain degree. I have a pci ide card, which takes ide0 and 1, and my onboard ide cards are now considered ide2 and 3. Since I installed, the drives i HAD on the pci card have died (power surge - long story), but if I remove the pci card, the thing won't boot because it's looking for a kernel on hde1, not hda1 |
| 00:21.06 | tarzeau | robin_sz: if only it wasn't so ugly (the language,syntax) but yes i agree |
| 00:21.22 | Guerin | ismael_: no. |
| 00:21.29 | robin_sz | tarzeau, it can be written as nice or as ugly as you want |
| 00:21.38 | tarzeau | robin_sz: the $ remain |
| 00:21.45 | robin_sz | well yeah |
| 00:22.28 | robin_sz | but as a flexible OO language ... its pretty neat |
| 00:22.32 | GrimWald | it seems that everyboy's sleeping on debian-fr, so i'll try to ask my question here, despite having a bad english :s |
| 00:22.44 | tarzeau | kasper___: did you use X -configure ? |
| 00:22.45 | ismael_ | Guerin: there's "no way" or "no safe-completely foolprof way"? |
| 00:22.54 | kasper___ | tarzeau: yea |
| 00:22.54 | tarzeau | kasper___: you're missing DefaultDepth and Modes |
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| 00:23.11 | Guerin | ismael_: you'll never have debian testing, you'll always have kubuntu-changed-to-debian |
| 00:23.20 | kasper___ | tarzeau: i added them like 1024x768x16 no dice tho |
| 00:23.20 | tarzeau | kasper___: hehe, not all i say is good for debian |
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| 00:23.26 | tarzeau | kasper___: i'm not very narrow minded |
| 00:23.27 | Aleric | Guerin: Things aren't that bad as long as you "know what you are doing" ... it DOES get bad once you pass the age of 40 though, and start to forget things... Hmm, it broke - how did I have to fix it again? In the beginning you can still look it up (unless you're internet is down), but then there comes a time when you can't even remember if you saw a movie before or not, or where to look for to find what you need to know... |
| 00:23.36 | Guerin | ismael_: it's like taking a ford mustang and trying to convert it into a corvette. It's always going to be a mustang in some part. |
| 00:23.42 | tarzeau | kasper___: i'm going to sleep |
| 00:23.43 | tarzeau | good night |
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| 00:23.46 | Aleric | I don't want to have to switch to windows once I turn 60 :p |
| 00:24.02 | kasper___ | tarzeau: thaks for the helpd |
| 00:24.07 | Guerin | tarzeau: g'night |
| 00:24.28 | ismael_ | Guerin: ok, but is it really that different? |
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| 00:24.42 | Guerin | ismael_: it's different enough that it's not binary-compatible, yeah. |
| 00:25.11 | Guerin | Aleric: i think in 10 or 20 years, things will change a fair bit. |
| 00:25.21 | ismael_ | Guerin: Ok, thanks |
| 00:25.24 | Aleric | It's hanging on "Scanning mirror..." :( |
| 00:25.24 | Guerin | ismael_: lord knows they have in the last 10. |
| 00:25.39 | Guerin | freaking hell it's cold |
| 00:25.46 | Aleric | Is it normal that it does that for a long time? I am not sure if my internet connection works namely :*) |
| 00:25.55 | ismael_ | Guerin: 6.10 seems that it's going to break a *lot* of things |
| 00:26.05 | GrimWald | i am currently with 2.6.8-2 kernel and i tried to upgrade to 2.6.17-9 , with both debian package and compiling ways, but whan i boot with this kernel, i can't use my LAN (i got internet connection from it). b44 module for my broadcom card seems to be correctly loaded, but there's noway i can pin 192.168.0.1 for example.. |
| 00:26.15 | ismael_ | Guerin: very far from debian... They're even changing the boot process |
| 00:26.26 | Guerin | ismael_: unsurprising |
| 00:26.26 | Aleric | Oh shit - it's complaining that the mirror is "bad"... I'm afraid my internet isn |
| 00:26.33 | Aleric | isn't working :/ |
| 00:26.43 | Guerin | Aleric: try a well-known one like mirror.kernel.org |
| 00:26.54 | robin_sz | Aleric, maybe your internet connection is down? |
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| 00:27.33 | Guerin | robin_sz: that certainly explains why he can tell us about it |
| 00:27.45 | robin_sz | Guerin, shhh! |
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| 00:27.55 | GrimWald | nobody has got an idea ? |
| 00:27.56 | Guerin | i know, logic has no place in irc |
| 00:27.59 | Aleric | no, I'm using internet to chat |
| 00:28.07 | Aleric | I can't ping the new machine anymore :/ |
| 00:28.11 | Aleric | wtf |
| 00:28.20 | robin_sz | it died |
| 00:28.23 | Guerin | Aleric: breaker breaker 1-9 |
| 00:28.24 | robin_sz | bury it |
| 00:28.37 | loxley_ | GrimWald: what feature do you need in 2.6.17-9 thats 2.6.8-2 is lacking? |
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| 00:29.29 | linnuxxy | what is the project the used to provide an up2date packages to debian without breaking the system? something like black ...or back |
| 00:29.37 | Guerin | !bpo |
| 00:29.37 | dpkg | [backports.org] an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 00:30.00 | sanmarcos | garett? |
| 00:30.01 | linnuxxy | yes... backports thnx |
| 00:30.08 | Guerin | !bz |
| 00:30.08 | dpkg | from memory, bz is Belize |
| 00:30.11 | GrimWald | that's not the point loxley_ ^^ of course, i can keep using this one, but it seems that higher version of the kernel could make my winmodem works |
| 00:30.16 | GrimWald | so i just wanna try |
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| 00:31.15 | GrimWald | and as i am using unstable, i like to get latest versions :/ |
| 00:31.19 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 00:31.19 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 00:31.26 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 00:31.43 | Guerin | and now look, it's all growed up and about to be replaced. |
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| 00:32.04 | GrimWald | i don't know if y'all can understand my english :s |
| 00:32.15 | Guerin | GrimWald: yeah, i just can't help you |
| 00:32.25 | Guerin | except to say 'broadcom sucks' |
| 00:32.43 | GrimWald | ahah =) i didn't choose it :) |
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| 00:35.55 | GrimWald | so, let's see if the night could give me an idea.. thx anyway |
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| 00:38.49 | wubrgamer | is there any way that i can verbatim copy a dvd ? |
| 00:38.51 | wubrgamer | like totally copy it ? |
| 00:38.54 | robin_sz | yes |
| 00:38.57 | wubrgamer | how ? |
| 00:39.12 | robin_sz | dump and restore? |
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| 00:39.20 | aalex | hi |
| 00:39.20 | wubrgamer | huh ? |
| 00:39.33 | robin_sz | well, it works for drives |
| 00:39.58 | aalex | k3b and gnomebaker and cdrecord do not work with my CD/DVD burner... K3B told me to use a patched version of cdrecord. any hint ? |
| 00:40.25 | Guerin | aalex: return your dvd burner for a refund |
| 00:40.50 | aalex | Guerin, :-( serious ? |
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| 00:41.08 | Guerin | aalex: yeah. Say it doesn't work on your chosen OS and you'd like one which does. |
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| 00:41.18 | robin_sz | aalex, yeah, buy hardware that works with your OS |
| 00:41.32 | aalex | i am afraid you are right guys |
| 00:41.51 | aalex | i thought it would work out of the box |
| 00:42.04 | aalex | linux is plug-and-pray, after all ;-) |
| 00:42.09 | robin_sz | check the hardware guide next time :) |
| 00:42.13 | Guerin | aalex: no need to be an arsehole about it, if you're reasonable and it's all still in perfect nick, and you treat it like a misunderstanding, they're very likely to be reasonable in the interests of keeing your custom. |
| 00:42.18 | aalex | robin_sz, which one ? |
| 00:42.36 | Guerin | aalex: i'm surprised it doesn't - most burners are standard stuff which should Just Work |
| 00:42.51 | aalex | Guerin, it has been a long time i bought it |
| 00:43.03 | Guerin | aalex: in that case you're unlikely to get any joy. |
| 00:43.04 | aalex | Guerin, yeah, actually, there seem to have signs on the net that it should work |
| 00:43.36 | aalex | http://www.mail-archive.com/cdwrite@other.debian.org/msg10534.html This one tells he can burn DVDs |
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| 00:44.05 | Guerin | my dvd burner died in a power surge, so I haven't had a chance to burn anything with it yet |
| 00:44.08 | robin_sz | well, if it works in Suse and Dedrat, you can usually get some debian or other to play with it. |
| 00:45.34 | aalex | I can eject it.... maybe it can burn too |
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| 00:45.57 | Guerin | aalex: try with cdrecord on its own, not through a gnome or kde frontend |
| 00:46.24 | aalex | Guerin : i tried that first... Should I try it as root ? |
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| 00:46.59 | Guerin | aalex: yes, cdrecord is stupid. |
| 00:47.03 | robin_sz | check what group the dvd device is in .. add yourself to that |
| 00:47.11 | aalex | cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: so ask them to clarify i guess |
| 00:47.14 | robin_sz | or be root |
| 00:47.56 | aalex | eh ! seems to work as root !!! |
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| 00:48.18 | robin_sz | so ... check what group /dev/dvd is in |
| 00:48.26 | robin_sz | or whatevr device it is |
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| 00:49.47 | aalex | Thanks for helping guys. Sometime it is better to think together, and by writing. |
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| 00:55.28 | aalex | robin_sz, Guerin : It seems like cdrecord did not use a /dev/** at all. See : Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported. |
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| 00:59.56 | Suprano | how to make sure a program runs in software simulation mode and how to turn it off/on ? |
| 01:00.36 | abrotman | as opposed to ? |
| 01:01.00 | kspath | moo |
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| 01:01.16 | kspath | !abrotmoo |
| 01:01.16 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 01:01.43 | Guerin | Suprano: we in #debian don't really care about 'software simulation modes' |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 01:02.00 | kspath | hehehe |
| 01:02.30 | Suprano | Guerin, i am not exactly sure what this is at all, i read in some forum that it could be related to a problem i have.. |
| 01:02.49 | Guerin | !wayttd Suprano |
| 01:02.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Suprano? |
| 01:03.23 | Suprano | All programs i am compiling myself that use opengl just display a black window when running.. |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | are you running debian ? |
| 01:03.42 | Suprano | yes |
| 01:03.47 | Suprano | window manager ion |
| 01:03.57 | kspath | ion rocks |
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| 01:04.24 | kspath | Suprano: sarge/stable? etch/testing? |
| 01:04.54 | Suprano | stable 3.1 |
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| 01:07.13 | MatBoy | is it normally that mdadm sometimes rebuilds the all arrays for a check ? |
| 01:07.36 | marco_ | are there any repos that have captive-ntfs? |
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| 01:08.35 | Guerin | !captive |
| 01:08.35 | dpkg | from memory, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | woohoo! |
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| 01:09.07 | MatBoy | abrotman, do you use mdadm ? |
| 01:09.16 | abrotman | nerp .. |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | i have hwraid :) |
| 01:09.21 | MatBoy | :( |
| 01:09.31 | MatBoy | abrotman, I don;t like that on raid1 |
| 01:09.36 | juergenkarl | i use mdma |
| 01:09.37 | juergenkarl | !! |
| 01:09.37 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 01:09.42 | juergenkarl | why??? |
| 01:10.03 | Guerin | juergenkarl: that explains your sxtupidity levels |
| 01:10.14 | MatBoy | juergenkarl, I have seen now for the second time that my debian install just resyncs all the MD's |
| 01:10.18 | MatBoy | no drive is donw |
| 01:10.20 | MatBoy | down |
| 01:10.25 | MatBoy | it just starts in night |
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| 01:16.09 | SpaceFrog | how do i change my time? |
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| 01:16.29 | MatBoy | juergenkarl, nothing that you know of ? |
| 01:17.13 | juergenkarl | i just know how to do mdma |
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| 01:17.45 | MatBoy | I think it's a check to see if resync is working on all MD's |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: sync or change timezone ? |
| 01:17.50 | MatBoy | I also have no mail about it |
| 01:18.03 | MatBoy | normally I get one and all drives and partitions are online |
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| 01:19.01 | hobophobe | Debian isn't automatically mounting my dvd drive when a data cd is in? |
| 01:20.14 | hobophobe | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 << this is my line in /etc/fstab what else could I check? |
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| 01:20.39 | MatBoy | hobophobe, install automount |
| 01:21.36 | hobophobe | What package is that, autofs, am-utils? |
| 01:21.39 | Guerin | hobophobe: the 'noauto' might be a hint, but even removing that won't make it mount automatically. |
| 01:21.59 | hobophobe | well before it did, and I did not manually edit the fstab |
| 01:22.20 | Guerin | hobophobe: you probably had some gnome automounter bullshit installed. |
| 01:22.28 | hobophobe | It will still play my dvd without intervention |
| 01:22.28 | hobophobe | ah |
| 01:22.31 | Guerin | that all works off hal and udev |
| 01:23.04 | hobophobe | so what should I install? |
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| 01:24.20 | hobophobe | Ah, I bet I know what I did *slaps self* |
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| 01:24.51 | hobophobe | the package name is gnome-volume-manager... I'd been trying different volume controls/mixers, so I went back and uninstalled the ones I wouldn't use. I bet I thought that was a volume control. |
| 01:25.18 | hobophobe | But at least this will (hopefully) teach me to look at the descriptions in the future, rather than judging based on package name. |
| 01:26.13 | hobophobe | Thanks guys |
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| 01:34.08 | Aleric | I solved the routing problem :) |
| 01:34.29 | Aleric | blame fedora (as usual) |
| 01:35.07 | Aleric | It moved the working default route from what it was to the last ethernet card that I added with their 'system config' gui. Silently. |
| 01:35.23 | Guerin | yay automagic! |
| 01:35.32 | Aleric | Worse actually |
| 01:36.02 | Aleric | After it did that - I disabled both ehternet cards and then RE-added them in reverse order. Then I had internet (and could chat here) |
| 01:36.45 | Aleric | When then I found that I couldn't ping the new machine, and that was caused because ip forwarding was off on the FC5 machine in the middle, I ran /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart there.. |
| 01:37.06 | Aleric | and THAT changed the default route (and enabled ip forwarding) |
| 01:37.20 | Aleric | So, now I could ping back and forward - but not reach internet anymore. |
| 01:37.28 | Aleric | Wonderful :) |
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| 01:38.40 | Aleric | Does debian have qmail? |
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| 01:38.50 | abrotman | !info qmail-src sarge |
| 01:38.52 | dude | are there any EE majors? |
| 01:38.55 | dude | here? |
| 01:38.56 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-38 (sarge), Packaged size: 565 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | dude: wrong channel ? |
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| 01:39.21 | dude | abrotman: maybe, but its the only channel I know where I might find an EE |
| 01:39.22 | abrotman | Aleric: you'd do well to consider postfix or exim |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | dude: #maths? |
| 01:39.37 | dude | abrotman: ahh. |
| 01:39.39 | dude | join #maths |
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| 01:39.49 | abrotman | erm .. maybe #math |
| 01:39.55 | abrotman | dude: it's #math |
| 01:40.00 | dude | oppd |
| 01:40.02 | dude | opps |
| 01:40.20 | Aleric | abrotman: I hate all mailers... what I need is something that receives mail on port 25 and delivers it to my procmail - from there I can handle it myself ;). I can use anything for sending mail, I guess. |
| 01:40.25 | Guerin | abrotman: don't use qmail,. for the love aof all that is holy |
| 01:40.37 | Aleric | So, I don't need ANYTHING fancy :/ |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | Guerin: i wouldn't .. i'm sane |
| 01:40.45 | Guerin | aleryou, too |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | qmail is crap |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
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| 01:41.04 | nixbox | hi all |
| 01:41.05 | nixbox | is there an open source software for accounting? for example, i have some roommates and I share the apartment with them, we also share groceries etc., I want a software where I can just enter the amount i spent and at the end of the month it can calculate the respective amount owed by each person to me. |
| 01:41.35 | Aleric | So - what do I install when I want debian to deliver all incoming mail to my procmail (that is, to my .procmailrc processing)? |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | sql-ledger and gnucash |
| 01:41.36 | Guerin | Aleric: the default exim4 setup will do that just fine |
| 01:41.47 | Aleric | k |
| 01:41.51 | dude | nixbox: gnucash |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | nixbox: or gnumeric/OO |
| 01:42.12 | dude | nixbox: ok, maybe not gnucash |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | nixbox: sounds like you want a spreadsheet .. not a banking/acconting app |
| 01:42.17 | Aleric | Guerin: So, I check "mail server" during installation? |
| 01:42.24 | dude | nixbox: why not google spreadsheets? |
| 01:43.11 | Guerin | Aleric: not even. just choose the right exim setup option when prompted, or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to get another try |
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| 01:43.48 | Guerin | nixbox: when did 'bit of paper stuck to the fridge' become obsolete? |
| 01:45.03 | Guerin | Aleric: presume you mean local mail,. not mail from gmail or external services. If you want those, you probably want them forwarded to your box, or to use fetchmail or such |
| 01:46.40 | nixbox | Guerin, its tech age :P |
| 01:46.52 | Guerin | nixbox: there's a hard way to do anything |
| 01:46.57 | abrotman | nixbox: use a spreadsheet |
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| 01:47.58 | Aleric | Guerin: I have my own domain.. .mail is delivered to my firewall - run through spamassassin there and then sent to my workstation. The workstation therefore only needs to deliver it to procmail (where it will sort mail by mailinglist, spam etc). |
| 01:48.10 | Aleric | Guerin: It should listen on port 25 thus. |
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| 01:49.36 | abrotman | postfix is nice too |
| 01:52.04 | Aleric | exim looks just as hard to configure as sendmail :/ |
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| 01:55.21 | abrotman | are you serious? |
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| 01:56.26 | Aleric | abrotman: the docs START with this: |
| 01:56.30 | Aleric | I need to have any mail for virt.dom.ain that doesn't match one of the aliases in /usr/lib/aliases.virt delivered to a particular address, for example, [MAILTO] postmaster@virt.dom.ain. |
| 01:56.30 | Aleric | How do I arrange for all incoming email for *@some.domain to go into one pop3 mail account? The customer doesn't want to add a list of specific local parts to the system. |
| 01:56.55 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:56.57 | Aleric | rite -- yes, I'd like to see: for simple local delivery to procmail, run the command ... |
| 01:57.16 | Aleric | and it can do too much |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that sucks |
| 01:58.36 | pickcoder | Aleric: postfix has a transport map that is easy to configure |
| 01:58.53 | pickcoder | Aleric: just specify the source mask and the destination |
| 01:59.21 | pickcoder | I use it to separate and route mail via a mail gateway |
| 02:01.12 | emergent | hey everyone =]. wlan issues: ndiswrapper -l shows the hw is present and driver installed. iwconfig yields no wireless extensions. syslog tells me ndiswrapper load failed (unable to prepare driver). got the driver from ndiswrapper list wiki. lspci sees the card but can't understand the device. sorry for the long post. ideas? |
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| 02:04.09 | Aleric | pickcoder: Does postfix listen on port 25? |
| 02:04.34 | Aleric | I don't need any configuration:p I just want *everything* delivered to procmail :p |
| 02:04.55 | vic | anyone can help to configure php5 apache2 webserver? |
| 02:05.02 | nevyn | postfix is an MTA yes |
| 02:05.27 | nevyn | postfix can integrate with procmail as a MDA but also comes with it's own. |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: Erreur d'initialisation de SDL-Mixer .. i got it |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think .. ask me about it tomorrow |
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| 02:10.24 | Aleric | Heinlein Linux Akademie offers, among many topics, a five-day training course on Postfix.</quote> |
| 02:10.27 | Aleric | LOL |
| 02:10.35 | Aleric | I rest my case :p |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | dude .. if you're that lazy .. shut off your computer |
| 02:12.23 | pickcoder | Aleric: you can take a 5-day training course on how to clean your house |
| 02:12.49 | pickcoder | Aleric: pick an MTA and get friendly with Google |
| 02:13.12 | simonrvn | you can take a 5-day course on picking your nose. does that make it legit? |
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| 02:13.31 | abrotman | and it doesn't mean you need a 5day course to be a professional nose picker |
| 02:13.36 | pickcoder | simonrvn: I think that's a 3-day long-weekend course |
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| 02:16.28 | jetscreamer | wtf is the fix for the etch losing eth0 stuff on a reboot |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | load the module? |
| 02:16.37 | jetscreamer | let me guess nobody knows |
| 02:16.39 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 02:16.41 | jetscreamer | abrotman: doesn't |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | doesn't what? |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | load the moudle? |
| 02:16.49 | jetscreamer | know |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | load an IP? |
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| 02:17.12 | Aleric | installation is hanging... on "Configuring printconf" |
| 02:17.18 | jetscreamer | it happens on every etch b3 install should be a known issue if it isn't qa sucks ass again |
| 02:17.27 | Aleric | Does that mean I should connect my printer or something? |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | no .. just be patient |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | if it's not done by tomorrow .. try again |
| 02:18.10 | pickcoder | O_O |
| 02:18.12 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:18.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:19.00 | jetscreamer | gee... once again, i get to play stump the channel... wtf is it always ME |
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| 02:19.42 | abrotman | jetscreamer: because you didn't ask #debian-boot on oftc ? |
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| 02:19.52 | abrotman | and it's 10pm on a sunday? |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | and it's a long weekend ? |
| 02:20.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 02:20.10 | jetscreamer | good point i forgot about those holiday things |
| 02:20.24 | jetscreamer | wtf IS a holiday, anyway |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | see what happens when you have kids .. EVERY DAY IS WORK! |
| 02:20.51 | stoned | fuck kids |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | sicko |
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| 02:21.10 | stoned | oh god |
| 02:21.17 | stoned | :/ |
| 02:21.29 | CHodapp | AAAAAAAAH |
| 02:21.49 | CHodapp | wait... did someone call for a fight? Or am I mistaken... |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | where's odla .. he made a comment where he forgot to capitalize something .. which made it seem .. so wrong |
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| 02:22.01 | abrotman | !fight CHodapp |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | :( |
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| 02:23.33 | jetscreamer | aleric i hope your net goes down after the first apt-get upgrade so i won't be alone in my misery |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | aren't you sweet |
| 02:23.52 | jetscreamer | i know how to fix it |
| 02:23.57 | jetscreamer | it's called netcardconfig |
| 02:24.02 | Aleric | That's why I only upgrade one PC at a time :p |
| 02:24.06 | jetscreamer | not in debian of course |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | wait .. i used beta3 last week .. worked fine |
| 02:24.28 | Aleric | horrible, I get a screen with 60 Hz refresh. |
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| 02:24.41 | abrotman | whine whine bitch whine |
| 02:24.52 | jetscreamer | you must be a wimp and not used a daily :p |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i don't honestly remember .. it was also in qemu |
| 02:25.26 | Aleric | Your nick is pronounced ab-rot-main, right? |
| 02:25.31 | Aleric | man |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | /whois abrotman |
| 02:25.53 | jetscreamer | ab-rot man |
| 02:26.00 | jetscreamer | his abs are rotted |
| 02:26.06 | jetscreamer | needs to do situps |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | something like that |
| 02:26.10 | jetscreamer | oh wait, that's me |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | /nick situpscreamer ? |
| 02:26.33 | jetscreamer | failed to bring up eth0 oh boy |
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| 02:27.07 | jetscreamer | it';s that stupid hotplug crap in interfaces |
| 02:27.19 | jetscreamer | the old school method 'just worked'(tm) |
| 02:28.17 | jetscreamer | making a static will fix it |
| 02:28.19 | simonrvn | why 'fix' something that works.... well the bugs will get worked out (by ditching hotplug ;p) |
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| 02:28.57 | abrotman | you mean udev |
| 02:29.01 | Aleric | How can I set the refresh rate to 85Hz? When I choose 'preferences --> screen resolution' there is only a '60 hz' entry?! |
| 02:29.33 | jetscreamer | it's not dual, it's either/or |
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| 02:29.48 | jetscreamer | i also have tv out i think |
| 02:29.53 | jetscreamer | composite though |
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| 02:30.16 | abrotman | !drxx Aleric |
| 02:30.16 | dpkg | Aleric: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 02:30.18 | simonrvn | Aleric: that's managed from your xorg.conf |
| 02:30.28 | jetscreamer | Aleric: hwinfo --monitor |
| 02:30.31 | jetscreamer | first |
| 02:30.34 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 02:30.34 | dpkg | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 02:31.15 | simonrvn | see you guy |
| 02:31.32 | erichapkido | can someone help me with fglrx? I downloaded it from ati, unpacked it using -buildpkg Debian/testing, and after dpkg -i'ing them and installing the module, it doesn't work |
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| 02:31.56 | jetscreamer | where is the allow-hotplug crap for the interfaces kept |
| 02:32.25 | simonrvn | try dpkg-reconfigure hotplug? |
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| 02:32.44 | simonrvn | http://www.foulmouthshirts.com/Political-t-shirts/shirtpages/Sure-you-can-trust-your-goverment-Just-ask-an-Indian-T-shirt-Political-T-shirts.htm |
| 02:32.55 | simonrvn | sorry about that url, not mine |
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| 02:33.42 | Aleric | dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 02:33.48 | stoned | do it as root |
| 02:33.58 | jetscreamer | hotplug is not installed |
| 02:34.08 | jetscreamer | udev is:o |
| 02:34.20 | simonrvn | /usr/sbin |
| 02:34.32 | stoned | or you can add that to your path |
| 02:34.34 | stoned | whichever |
| 02:34.45 | simonrvn | so try either udev or the package that interfaces is in |
| 02:35.01 | stoned | whats goin on powwow man |
| 02:35.03 | stoned | :) |
| 02:35.21 | zamuro | Anyone knows bout a package like php for online communities under GPL license? |
| 02:35.54 | simonrvn | well, today we were supposed to go to one, but they cancelled (one of those mini one day ones). we were half way there when our drum keeper called. cancelled?! wtf? |
| 02:35.58 | stoned | I think you can find some at opensourcecms.com |
| 02:36.14 | stoned | we have a lot of indians here too |
| 02:36.17 | stoned | oklahoma |
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| 02:36.31 | simonrvn | oh yeh... many nations got displaced there |
| 02:36.35 | stoned | yup |
| 02:36.52 | stoned | me too man |
| 02:37.04 | stoned | though I'm a true indian, you're just native american |
| 02:37.05 | stoned | :) |
| 02:37.09 | simonrvn | check out dickshovel.com |
| 02:37.14 | simonrvn | hehe ;) |
| 02:37.15 | stoned | ok |
| 02:37.33 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 02:37.41 | stoned | well time to take the kids to the pool, brb |
| 02:37.47 | simonrvn | see you |
| 02:38.15 | anapivirtua | pom pom pom |
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| 02:42.53 | i3d | how to fix this error: "Find: warning: hard link count is wrong for /usr/share/fonts dir. Turning on find's -noleaf option..." |
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| 02:43.52 | vic | php5, apache2 in debian configuration, pls help i cant run it |
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| 02:45.43 | jetscreamer | see, i knew taking that allow-hotplug crap out of interfaces and putting auto eth would fix it |
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| 02:45.46 | jetscreamer | and it did |
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| 02:45.52 | jetscreamer | but how do you 'repair' it |
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| 02:47.37 | goodeman | my 56k modem has failed to work. the last time i used it was maybe a week ago. i re-compile the smartlink modem driver slmodemd. when i try to 'modprobe slusb' i get: FATAL: Error inserting slusb (/lib/modules/2.6.15/extra/slusb.ko): Invalid module format. I have not changed the kernel, 2.6.15, in any way. can someone tell me what is happening? |
| 02:48.43 | goodeman | the driver source has not been changed, neither has the kernel. |
| 02:49.00 | goodeman | why the 'Invalid module format'? |
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| 02:49.10 | Aleric | ARGH |
| 02:50.00 | stoned | oh man, I feel 5 lbs lighter |
| 02:50.18 | ry1 | wow, opposite of salvia or something? :) |
| 02:50.36 | Aleric | I took an hour to go through the million questions of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and then it simply says in the end: Not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized. Shouldn't that be /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 02:50.51 | ry1 | awe jees |
| 02:50.51 | ry1 | I believe so |
| 02:50.52 | stoned | nah, just took the cosbys to the superbowl |
| 02:50.54 | ry1 | ah |
| 02:51.08 | Aleric | Needly to say I did NOT modify it (this is a fresh install) |
| 02:51.13 | ry1 | I am actually about to do something really stupid... I am totally blind and I am going to try and set up x... :) |
| 02:51.17 | Aleric | needless, too |
| 02:51.32 | stoned | !xorgmd5 |
| 02:51.32 | ry1 | aleric: how did you find the bus location of your video card? |
| 02:51.32 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
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| 02:51.45 | Aleric | ry1: lspci -v |
| 02:51.49 | stoned | wait, X, I had the problem |
| 02:51.59 | stoned | reset the md5sum of /etc/X11/X |
| 02:52.01 | ry1 | aleric: thanks |
| 02:52.10 | Aleric | likely its 1,0,0 |
| 02:52.23 | goodeman | peterS: you around? |
| 02:52.26 | ry1 | probably, but I have an agp card as well as an on board one |
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| 02:53.34 | vic | is it better to use php4 in debian than php5? |
| 02:53.40 | ry1 | wow, my mirror slowed down to nothing... I'll be back in 58 minutes it looks like when gnome finishes downloading |
| 02:54.05 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 02:54.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.11, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc5-git7, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc5-mm1 |
| 02:54.10 | ry1 | vick: depends, pgp5 has some new features, but php 4 I always considered to be more stable |
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| 02:54.26 | ry1 | php5 * |
| 02:54.30 | simonrvn | still on .17 ... whoah |
| 02:54.53 | ry1 | simonrvn: kernel.org said it's latest stable was 2.6.17.9 though |
| 02:55.03 | Aleric | ,away sleeping |
| 02:55.04 | stoned | why do they call it a kernel? |
| 02:55.07 | simonrvn | that ^^ is direct from kernel.org |
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| 02:55.35 | simonrvn | good question. probably because it forms the core of the os |
| 02:55.37 | ry1 | okay, I thought it might have been out of date, but I'm too lazy to check so I'll take your word for it :) |
| 02:55.55 | stoned | well, but why not something else, why kernel? |
| 02:56.06 | pickcoder | goodeman: run modinfo on the module and see what kernel it's compiled for |
| 02:56.13 | ry1 | because a pearl starts from one grain of sand |
| 02:56.14 | simonrvn | dunno. |
| 02:56.31 | holly2 | Any debconf experts here? This IS an ubuntu system (sorry), but I need help debugging a debconf-specific issue: Unrecognized character \x10 at /usr/share/perl/5.8/fields.pm line 1 (see http://channels.debian.net/paste/3617) |
| 02:56.32 | ry1 | and then, over time, grows outwards to form something beautiful |
| 02:56.37 | simonrvn | i'd check wikipedia, but i was about to go fetch the patch |
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| 02:57.02 | goodeman | pickcoder: like 'modinfo slusb'? |
| 02:57.17 | pickcoder | goodeman: modinfo /path/to/module.ko |
| 02:57.32 | goodeman | ok |
| 02:57.42 | simonrvn | modinfo doesn't need full path i don't think |
| 02:57.45 | pickcoder | gah.. this parser is running like molasses |
| 02:57.49 | simonrvn | only insmod does |
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| 02:58.14 | pickcoder | simonrvn: if there's multiple copies laying around, then it's best to point it to the one the user is trying to insmod |
| 02:58.51 | simonrvn | well, yeh, but i think it checks the currently runing kernel's module path first |
| 02:58.55 | pickcoder | anyone know of a good source for XML parsing algorithms? |
| 02:58.55 | simonrvn | running* |
| 02:59.28 | pickcoder | simonrvn: yeah |
| 02:59.40 | goodeman | pickcoder: i have this line: vermagic: 2.6.15 PENTIUM4 gcc-4.1. |
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| 03:00.41 | goodeman | pickcoder: that seems right to me. |
| 03:00.51 | pickcoder | goodeman: uname -r |
| 03:01.26 | goodeman | pickcoder: it gives: 2.6.15. |
| 03:01.38 | pickcoder | I ran into that before myself |
| 03:01.50 | goodeman | how do you fix it? |
| 03:01.54 | pickcoder | not with that module |
| 03:01.56 | jetscreamer | pickcoder: might be too easy a thing for #math ... no idea |
| 03:01.57 | pickcoder | I couldn't |
| 03:02.12 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: it's not a math formula <g> |
| 03:02.29 | jetscreamer | that xmd5sum factoid is temporiarily deprecated |
| 03:02.35 | jetscreamer | it doesn't work |
| 03:02.58 | jetscreamer | etch xorg md5 is borked... or what it compares is |
| 03:03.05 | jetscreamer | just hand edit the bastid |
| 03:03.14 | pickcoder | goodeman, try running modinfo on a loaded module |
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| 03:03.34 | jetscreamer | note that it says /etc/X11/X has been modified ... NOT /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:03.34 | goodeman | ok |
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| 03:03.49 | jetscreamer | when drxx won't write |
| 03:04.22 | stoned | <stoned> reset the md5sum of /etc/X11/X |
| 03:04.57 | stoned | I think thats what I did to fix it on my side, once upon a time |
| 03:05.01 | jetscreamer | oh... nevermind |
| 03:05.13 | jetscreamer | gilda radner |
| 03:05.19 | stoned | huh? |
| 03:05.25 | stoned | is she hot? |
| 03:05.50 | stoned | oh good god |
| 03:05.52 | stoned | I mean... |
| 03:06.08 | jetscreamer | she's probably rotted by now... |
| 03:06.12 | jetscreamer | she's dead jim |
| 03:06.34 | PDani_ | how can i remove a sata hotplug-capable hdd on linux? |
| 03:06.59 | stoned | we sell hotswappable servers but ours runs ms os |
| 03:07.06 | pickcoder | unplug it? |
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| 03:07.21 | PDani_ | yes :) |
| 03:08.12 | stoned | my guess would be to umount it, swap it, mount it again |
| 03:08.28 | pickcoder | PDani_: do you mean safely unplug a bad hot-swap drive? |
| 03:09.58 | goodeman | pickcoder: i get the same vermagic line: vermagic: 2.6.15 PENTIUM4 gcc-4.1 |
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| 03:11.08 | pickcoder | goodeman: I meant run modinfo on a different module, that is currently running. That way you can compare the module info in the .ko files |
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| 03:11.11 | erichapkido | Could someone help me with fglrx? |
| 03:12.16 | dockane | i am on the smbclient command line prompt: 'put smbtest.txt /sharename' should copy smbtest.txt to the remote system, shouldn´t it? |
| 03:12.31 | goodeman | i know what you meant. i ran modinfo on ehci-hcd.ko, which is a loaded module. |
| 03:12.53 | pickcoder | goodeman: kernel, CPU, and GCC versions are the same? |
| 03:13.33 | goodeman | pickcoder: yeah. |
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| 03:16.56 | pickcoder | goodeman: gcc --version |
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| 03:17.26 | pickcoder | goodeman: cat /proc/version |
| 03:17.41 | Pons | guys, i just exported all my DB from mysql 4 to 5 |
| 03:17.49 | Pons | from a fedora core install to debian |
| 03:17.54 | magyar | kool |
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| 03:18.15 | Pons | and there is a debian user that administrates the startup of mysql |
| 03:18.28 | Pons | debian-db-admin or something like that |
| 03:18.32 | goodeman | pickcoder: (gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) #3 Fri Jun 23 08:52:06 EDT 2006 |
| 03:18.38 | Pons | correct me if i'm wrong |
| 03:19.12 | Pons | but, well.. i need to know what priviledges this user has.. |
| 03:19.15 | goodeman | pickcoder: modinfo gives gcc-4.1, which is diff fr that of /proc/version. is that the problem? |
| 03:19.21 | magyar | default |
| 03:19.29 | Agrajag- | Pons: there's a mysql user, debian-sys-maint which checks the mysql dbs/tables and stuff on mysql startup |
| 03:19.56 | Pons | Agrajag-, what priviledges must this user have? |
| 03:20.07 | magyar | full |
| 03:20.09 | pickcoder | goodeman: I think it could be. You may need to compile with an older release of GCC or compile the kernel with your module source. I'd recommend using make-kpkg to do it. |
| 03:20.10 | Agrajag- | Pons: in mysql? everything i think |
| 03:20.13 | magyar | would make sense |
| 03:20.50 | Pons | ok ;) |
| 03:20.51 | Pons | thx |
| 03:21.24 | pickcoder | goodeman: now that I remember, I was trying to get the spca5xx module to work and had the same problem |
| 03:21.32 | pickcoder | goodeman: I gave up, though |
| 03:22.09 | pickcoder | heh.. the GCC version is the problem with my module |
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| 03:23.34 | goodeman | pickcoder: recap. 'gcc --version' gives: gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060613 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-5). cat /proc/version gives: Linux version 2.6.15 (2.6.15-10.00.Custom) (root@themachine) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) #3 Fri Jun 23 08:52:06 EDT 2006 |
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| 03:24.21 | goodeman | the two commands are reporting diff version of gcc. agree? |
| 03:24.25 | pickcoder | goodeman: so you've already built a custom kernel. |
| 03:24.32 | muhoo | what are the proper permissions for /var/spool/mqueue-client (sendmail)? |
| 03:25.02 | goodeman | pickcoder: no, i haven't gone into that yet. just to be sure about gcc first. |
| 03:25.02 | pickcoder | goodeman: check out module-assistant |
| 03:25.02 | muhoo | the debian packaging scripts for sendmail seem to screw up the permissions on that directory every time the package gets updated |
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| 03:25.18 | muhoo | and i get NOQUEUE errors because sendmail doesn't have perms to add files to that dir |
| 03:25.36 | muhoo | chmod 1777 /var/spool/mqueue-client fixes the problem, but seems overly permissive |
| 03:25.38 | goodeman | i have module-assistant. how would it help in this case? |
| 03:25.57 | pickcoder | goodeman: it should help keep your modules in-version with the kernel |
| 03:26.16 | pickcoder | unless you want to go back to a stock kernel and use a pre-compiled module |
| 03:26.25 | goodeman | pickcoder: should i use it to build gcc? |
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| 03:27.32 | pickcoder | goodeman: use it to build the kernel module you need with the same GCC and kernel version as your kernel. |
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| 03:28.30 | pickcoder | goodeman: it's a nice automation tool for building module sources |
| 03:28.58 | goodeman | pickcoder: this modem driver is non-debian. the module is gen by 'make |
| 03:29.12 | goodeman | and 'make install'. |
| 03:30.02 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:30.29 | pickcoder | the GCC you use to build the module needs to match the GCC version that compiled your kernel |
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| 03:33.03 | pickcoder | goodeman: according to your info your kernel was built with 4.0 but your module is using 4.1 |
| 03:35.14 | pickcoder | goodeman: if you upgraded GCC after your last kernel compile, then just recompile/reinstall the existing kernel setup and install it over the existing version. The module should load then. |
| 03:35.39 | pickcoder | or.. to be safe, make a new version and rebuild the module |
| 03:35.40 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:36.29 | usr13 | I have a problem with KDE, (Kmenu does not show applications). The output of comands "aptitude show menu" and "aptutude install menu" are particularly interesting. See: http://pastebin.ca/160338 |
| 03:36.47 | goodeman | pickcoder: i agree. since the last kernel gen, i have done several apt-get upgrade. and i can recall gcc being upgraded in one of these. |
| 03:37.40 | Flamingo_Manipul | usr13: wow... that's... weird... |
| 03:37.44 | goodeman | pickcoder: thks. goobye. |
| 03:37.48 | Flamingo_Manipul | usr13: maybe you should file a bug.... |
| 03:37.55 | dendrite | usr13: You still have Backports.org stuff on your machine? |
| 03:37.57 | usr13 | Any ideas on how I can fix KDE. (Or learn HOW to fix KDE?) |
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| 03:38.34 | usr13 | I used command aptitude remove '~Abackports' |
| 03:38.54 | dendrite | usr13: Which didn't work, we went over that last night, remember? |
| 03:39.03 | usr13 | which was supposed to have removed all of it. But, don't know how successful that was. |
| 03:39.18 | dendrite | usr13: Pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l | grep bpo' |
| 03:39.25 | usr13 | Yes, but not sure what to do about it... ok.. |
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| 03:39.57 | dendrite | usr13: Before you try to install any new stuff, you need to replace bpo stuff with the sarge equivalent. |
| 03:41.26 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/160342 |
| 03:41.34 | usr13 | dendrite ^ |
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| 03:42.18 | dendrite | Yeah. With a mixed up mess like that, you can hardly be said to be running any distro, let alone debian. |
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| 03:43.09 | usr13 | I used backports to upgrade OpenOffice 1.1.3 to 2.0.3 |
| 03:43.44 | dendrite | usr13: I remember you saying that. It appears that oo isn't the only thing that came over. Maybe you should just back up your /home and install etch... |
| 03:43.55 | usr13 | OpenOffice needed java (dependency) and that was why I was advised to use backports. |
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| 03:44.16 | pickcoder | java.. gah |
| 03:44.21 | dendrite | usr13: That might be the easy way out. Other option is to pick through and clean that up, which may be difficult. |
| 03:44.22 | usr13 | Yes, there were a number of other pakcages I installed using it. |
| 03:44.54 | usr13 | install etch? |
| 03:45.01 | dendrite | usr13: Well, the result is a non-debian machine, alas. Because if you were running Sarge, this would not be likely to happen. |
| 03:45.19 | dendrite | usr13: Etch has oo2... At least I'm pretty sure it does. |
| 03:46.09 | usr13 | I do not have a lot of critical files on here. |
| 03:46.09 | Guerin | usr13: if you use debian oo.o packages it doesn't need stupid non-free java |
| 03:46.18 | usr13 | It is a fairly new install. |
| 03:46.33 | dendrite | usr13: It's a fairly HOSED install, regardless of it's newness. |
| 03:46.47 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.52 | dendrite | usr13: An expert could probably set your system right, but it would take a lot of time. |
| 03:46.52 | Guerin | etch does indeed have oo.o2 |
| 03:47.25 | usr13 | so what your saying, is that I should start over and re-install? |
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| 03:47.51 | dendrite | usr13: Unless you have the expertise to back out of the corner you're in. |
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| 03:48.45 | dendrite | usr13: And not that I'm not blaming you, or saying you're a loser. It's an unfortunate situation, but I'm not sure that you are solely to blame. |
| 03:49.05 | usr13 | I wanted several applications on this machine for multimedia experimentation, lame, gnome meeting. etc |
| 03:49.08 | dendrite | Rather, I'm sure you're NOT solely to blame... =) |
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| 03:49.37 | dendrite | usr13: Sounds like you would be happier with Etch, IMHO. |
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| 03:51.26 | usr13 | Ekiga and lame and OpenOffice 2.0.3 and a few other things is what I was wanting to install. And I successfully installed and upgraded those packages and am able to creat audio files, (mp3s) and do some other cool stuff... was wanting to make this sort of a show-off box. |
| 03:51.28 | dendrite | usr13: Also note that I don't give advice to reinstall lightly. It's almost never really necessary. In your case, with your apparent level of understanding of the package management system, I believe it's the easiest way to get you the system you want. |
| 03:52.13 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.19 | dendrite | usr13: Well, if you're happy with the machine, then there ya go. But if you go to install a simple program and it wants to rip out all of KDE and whatnot, then you know there are issues. |
| 03:52.29 | usr13 | And that is part of my quest here... to learn about Debian. |
| 03:52.47 | usr13 | Which I believe now to be the best Linux distro. |
| 03:53.05 | usr13 | Because of it's advanced package management system. |
| 03:53.32 | dendrite | usr13: OK, in that case, maybe you do want to put some time into trying to fix your system. :-) |
| 03:53.56 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.05 | usr13 | I want everything to work perfectly. |
| 03:54.40 | usr13 | I have a pretty good working knowledge about Linux, just new to Debian. |
| 03:54.48 | dendrite | usr13: It's a value call. Easy way is almost certainly to install Etch. Way with most learning potential, trying to get your current system working while keeping a sarge base. |
| 03:55.19 | usr13 | What is Etch? |
| 03:55.49 | dendrite | usr13: Etch is "testing." Next stable. It's not bad at all, I'm told. (I run unstable for the most part.) |
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| 03:56.07 | usr13 | One thing I'm still not understainding .... the package management system ... how to differentiate between sarge & testing & unstable. |
| 03:56.24 | usr13 | what are the switches to go from one to the other. |
| 03:56.28 | pickcoder | Supposedly, Etch will be released as stable in December. Is this correct? |
| 03:56.35 | dendrite | sarge is the same as stable, and etch is the same as testing, and sid is the same as unstable. |
| 03:56.41 | freeone3000 | usr13: vimming /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:56.47 | freeone3000 | sid > * |
| 03:56.50 | dendrite | pickcoder: That's the plan, but you know about plans... |
| 03:56.57 | usr13 | and there are "contrib" and "non-free" stipulations.... |
| 03:57.07 | freeone3000 | usr13: Same place. |
| 03:57.10 | usr13 | I kind of understand but not totally. |
| 03:57.11 | pickcoder | dendrite: plans? heh... |
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| 03:57.25 | usr13 | Ues I am confortable with editing config files. |
| 03:57.42 | dendrite | usr13: So, sarge vs. etch is a matter of what your sources.list point to plus your policy. |
| 03:57.43 | freeone3000 | usr13: Non-free allows you access to things not approved by debian's Free Software poeple. Which includes Sun's java. |
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| 03:58.13 | freeone3000 | If you're not a RMS nut, you'll like this. contrib I'm not sure exactly what contains in. |
| 03:58.15 | dendrite | freeone3000: Ah. Sun's JAVA is now in non-free? Huh. |
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| 03:58.40 | dak | hrm |
| 03:58.41 | freeone3000 | dendrite: Been in non-free in unstable for a while now. |
| 03:59.02 | dendrite | freeone3000: Cool. Shows how much I pay attention to JAVA... =) |
| 03:59.24 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.47 | freeone3000 | usr13: It doesn't *need* it. Just like cars don't need gas. They're perfectly good cars without them. |
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| 04:00.02 | dendrite | usr13: My understanding is that it loses a lot of functionality without Java. |
| 04:00.05 | usr13 | So, what would be the best / or easiest way to rip this thing out and re-do my install. |
| 04:00.23 | freeone3000 | vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:00.24 | pickcoder | freeone3000: and they don't collect unneeded mileage. <G> |
| 04:00.27 | dendrite | usr13: Do you have a tested backup of your important files? |
| 04:00.31 | usr13 | can I just remove all but the base system and then go from ther? |
| 04:00.54 | usr13 | The important file is "debian-notes.txt" :) |
| 04:00.56 | dendrite | usr13: That might work -- except that apt is from bpo on your system... |
| 04:01.00 | freeone3000 | If you still want to use debian, just want diffrent packages, get rid of the ones you don't want, get the ones you want, at the level you want. |
| 04:01.06 | ry1 | when setting up xorg, is it a bad thing when it asks me for my video card's bus location to which I answered "PCI:01:00:0" then it unpacked a few things and asked me again? |
| 04:01.19 | freeone3000 | To upgrade from sarge to etch, it's a simple text edit, then two root commands. |
| 04:01.38 | dendrite | freeone3000: His is not a simple sarge system, it's "polluted" with a lot of stuff from Backports.org. |
| 04:01.43 | freeone3000 | Ah. |
| 04:01.45 | freeone3000 | >.> |
| 04:01.54 | freeone3000 | Well, nothing wrong with that. |
| 04:01.55 | dendrite | freeone3000: Hence the weird advice from me. :-) |
| 04:01.58 | usr13 | Oh, that explains a lot, [apt is bpo] |
| 04:02.23 | dendrite | freeone3000: Except that when he goes to install menu, it wants to rip out KDE and more... *sigh* |
| 04:02.52 | usr13 | It just seems like I should be able to globally uninstall bpo stuff and then re-install it all again, but don't guess that is feasable at this point. |
| 04:02.53 | dendrite | freeone3000: http://pastebin.ca/160342 |
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| 04:04.02 | dendrite | usr13: You *may* be able to do things like synaptic install apt/sarge ... |
| 04:04.07 | usr13 | Well, "getting there is half the fun" I'm going to look for my Debian CD. |
| 04:04.39 | usr13 | synaptic install apt/sarge ? |
| 04:04.56 | usr13 | Yea, would like to tri something .... like that.. |
| 04:04.56 | ry1 | when doing a "lspci -v" the 001:00.0 is my bus location? |
| 04:05.08 | dendrite | usr13: Man synaptic -- I believe that's the incantation to tell synaptic to install the version of apt that's in sarge... |
| 04:05.53 | freeone3000 | usr13: Best thing would be to get over it and start editing your config files. |
| 04:06.08 | dendrite | freeone3000: He already has, trust me. |
| 04:06.09 | freeone3000 | usr13: Except that wouldn't solve your problem. |
| 04:06.22 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.23 | dendrite | usr13: Aptitude, that is. |
| 04:06.42 | freeone3000 | What are you trying to do? |
| 04:07.03 | usr13 | freeone3000: Fix a hosed up Debian system. |
| 04:07.03 | dendrite | usr13: freeone3000's question is very important. |
| 04:07.11 | dendrite | usr13: Where do you want to end up? |
| 04:07.21 | usr13 | Really, it's not all that hosed up. But KDE is kind of broken. |
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| 04:07.44 | dendrite | usr13: I agree, it's probably fixable. At least it doesn't look like glibc6 is from BPO... |
| 04:08.06 | freeone3000 | As long as you have a working C library, a working bootloader, a working login shell, and a working kernel, it's fixable. |
| 04:08.11 | dendrite | Though I guess the whole point of BPO is that glibc6 doesn't need to be updated... *shrug* |
| 04:08.23 | dendrite | freeone3000: That's the spirit! :-) |
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| 04:08.51 | usr13 | Where do I want to end up?: I want several applications on this machine for multimedia experimentation, lame, Ekiga. etc |
| 04:09.16 | freeone3000 | Kay. ANything wrong with just moving up to testing and bringing everything else up to date? |
| 04:09.22 | usr13 | OO 2.0.3 |
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| 04:09.49 | freeone3000 | Or unstable, although if you do so, it should be by your own choice. |
| 04:09.50 | dendrite | usr13: Simply moving to testing (etch) may be the easiest way... |
| 04:09.56 | dendrite | freeone3000: No, not unstable. |
| 04:09.59 | usr13 | Sorry, I think I just answered a question that was directed at some else... |
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| 04:10.17 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.22 | usr13 | Makes most sense. |
| 04:10.32 | usr13 | So, how would I go about moving to "testing"? |
| 04:10.33 | freeone3000 | usr13: ALrighty. As root: vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:10.43 | freeone3000 | usr13: CHange everything in there from 'stable' or 'sarge' to 'testing' |
| 04:10.43 | usr13 | ok |
| 04:10.49 | freeone3000 | usr13: Then save-quit. |
| 04:11.13 | freeone3000 | usr13: After you've done that, also as root, execute: `apt-get update ; apt-get -y dist-upgrade` |
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| 04:11.46 | dendrite | usr13: The -y option is a little risky, because it answers all questions with 'Y'. |
| 04:11.47 | freeone3000 | pickcoder: Well, it's nicer than upgrade |
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| 04:12.14 | kyle_ | i am in need of assistance |
| 04:12.20 | pickcoder | I'm just thinking in terms of dependancies that may already be broken |
| 04:12.38 | usr13 | So I change sarge to testing? What about "stable" |
| 04:12.41 | freeone3000 | pickcoder: If depends are already broken, SOmething Bad has happened. |
| 04:12.46 | freeone3000 | usr13: Also change that to testing. |
| 04:12.47 | dendrite | kyle_: Before we help you, we need to know: Is your Debian Genuine Advantate (tm) up to date? |
| 04:12.51 | usr13 | Should I change "stable" to "testing" too? |
| 04:12.57 | freeone3000 | usr13: Yes. |
| 04:12.57 | usr13 | ok |
| 04:13.09 | dendrite | kyle_: (j/k) ;-) |
| 04:13.11 | pickcoder | dendrite: <g> |
| 04:13.36 | kyle_ | i have dual screen set up and working find |
| 04:13.37 | kyle_ | fine |
| 04:13.55 | kyle_ | but when i try to play video or games, it will only show properly on one screen |
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| 04:14.13 | luke-jr_ | Building a Debian package, what influences the package version... can't seem to find it |
| 04:14.26 | kyle_ | i would like to change it over to the other screen because that's attached to better video hardware |
| 04:15.33 | dendrite | kyle_: Interesting problem you've got there... |
| 04:16.43 | insmod | kyle_:change the screen order |
| 04:17.00 | usr13 | Ok, have changed sources.list (see: http://pastebin.ca/160355 ) |
| 04:17.11 | kyle_ | in what section of the xorg.conf file? |
| 04:17.28 | usr13 | so now I need to do "apt-get update" ? |
| 04:17.38 | dendrite | luke-jr_: Maybe PACKAGE_VERSION in configure? |
| 04:18.30 | loxley_ | luke-jr_: debian/changelog |
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| 04:18.38 | dendrite | luke-jr_: nm, that's not it. |
| 04:18.47 | dendrite | loxley_: Really? Generated from Changelog? |
| 04:18.50 | luke-jr_ | loxley_: the changelog itself controls the pkg ver? |
| 04:18.54 | insmod | kyle_: can't remember post it |
| 04:19.04 | loxley_ | dendrite: luke-jr_: yes |
| 04:19.05 | usr13 | and then apt-get update (or "apt-get -y dist-upgrade" if I'm feeling lucky! :) |
| 04:19.15 | dendrite | huh. |
| 04:19.26 | pickcoder | kyle_: you should be able to find screen identifiers (0,1,2,etc) |
| 04:19.35 | dendrite | usr13: apt-get upgrade, not update. |
| 04:19.36 | luke-jr_ | amazing... |
| 04:19.47 | dendrite | usr13: But that's apt-get dist-upgrade, really. |
| 04:19.48 | kyle_ | i see |
| 04:19.59 | kyle_ | i'm getting it now. i think i have it fixed |
| 04:20.35 | usr13 | Yea, that was mistake: "apt-get update" I meant "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 04:20.50 | luke-jr_ | what kind of versioning does Debian use for beta/rc releases? |
| 04:21.11 | freeone3000 | unstable. :) |
| 04:21.30 | dendrite | usr13: peterS Seemed to think that aptitude might yield a better result, and I tend to trust his opinion... |
| 04:22.28 | luke-jr_ | would 1.0.-1.5 work for rc5? ;) |
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| 04:26.27 | dendrite | Hmm.. has security.debian.org picked up etch? |
| 04:26.36 | pickcoder | yes |
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| 04:27.04 | luke-jr_ | would 1.0.-1.5 work as a Deb ver # for 1.0 rc5? ;) |
| 04:27.05 | pickcoder | found that out yesterday |
| 04:27.06 | dendrite | usr13: It's not a big deal, certainly not a show-stopper, but at some point you'll want to change the "# |
| 04:27.09 | dendrite | usr13: It's not a big deal, certainly not a show-stopper, but at some point you'll want to change the "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 04:27.13 | dendrite | # |
| 04:27.14 | dendrite | DAmn. |
| 04:27.26 | dendrite | usr13: the security line, to etch. |
| 04:27.59 | dendrite | I shoulda gotten kicked for that one... I guess the channel bots are asleep. |
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| 04:29.36 | Silvervoid | will php work with postfix? |
| 04:29.49 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 04:30.36 | Silvervoid | it will thanks |
| 04:31.38 | pickcoder | how do you plan on mixing the two |
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| 04:32.32 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.06 | dendrite | usr13: You missed a line when you were editing your sources.list, but it's not a big deal if you're already running the dist-upgrade. |
| 04:33.07 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.21 | usr13 | Not running it yet. |
| 04:33.22 | dendrite | usr13: The security line. |
| 04:33.29 | usr13 | (Was reading...) |
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| 04:34.51 | dendrite | http://xkcd.com/c149.html |
| 04:35.22 | usr13 | So, I should change "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" to "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main"? |
| 04:35.34 | dendrite | usr13: Yes. |
| 04:35.46 | usr13 | and run "apt-get update" again? |
| 04:35.55 | dendrite | usr13: yes. |
| 04:36.04 | usr13 | or should I run "aptitude update"? |
| 04:36.08 | dendrite | usr13: Always run update when you edit your sources. |
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| 04:36.15 | dendrite | usr13: Whichever you'll be using. |
| 04:36.32 | usr13 | I guess I'll try "aptitude update" |
| 04:37.21 | dendrite | usr13: Note that there is a subtle difference between testing and etch... When etch becomes stable, then your sources.list will be wrong. I suggest using "etch" instead of "testing" in your case. |
| 04:37.38 | dendrite | usr13: However, this is something that won't matter until etch is released. |
| 04:37.51 | GirlPower30 | hi how do i use tar to extract a certain file? |
| 04:38.03 | dendrite | usr13: At that time, everybody who has "stable" will suddenly be pointing at etch instead of sarge also... |
| 04:40.11 | dendrite | GirlPower30: "tar -xvf test.tgz test/foo" where 'test/foo' is the file you want. use tar -tvf test.tgz to find the path of the file... |
| 04:40.32 | GirlPower30 | ty |
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| 04:41.09 | dendrite | GirlPower30: I removed the 'z' argument, but my example uses 'tgz' as the tar file type, sorry about any confusion. |
| 04:41.22 | GirlPower30 | it's fine |
| 04:41.25 | GirlPower30 | my files are gzipped |
| 04:41.49 | dendrite | GirlPower30: So it'd be "tar -xvzf test.tgz test/foo" of course... |
| 04:42.09 | GirlPower30 | i can use tar -tvf test.tgz blah.jpg right? |
| 04:42.12 | GirlPower30 | and it'll find where it is |
| 04:42.25 | dendrite | GirlPower30: You want the 'z' if your tar file is gzipped. |
| 04:42.40 | dendrite | GirlPower30: And yes, the -t means "tell" |
| 04:42.41 | luke-jr_ | is '1.0.rc5' a legal Debian package version? |
| 04:42.54 | GirlPower30 | thanks |
| 04:43.06 | luke-jr_ | dendrite: 'z' can be optional |
| 04:43.14 | dendrite | GirlPower30: And normally I'd suggest 'man tar' and that's not a bad idea, but I realize that the tar man page is possibly the most dense piece of prose on this planet... |
| 04:43.39 | dendrite | luke-jr_: Optional if the tar file is gzipped, as in .tgz? |
| 04:43.48 | luke-jr_ | dendrite: yes, tar detects gzip/bzip2 |
| 04:43.52 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-namever |
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| 04:44.00 | luke-jr_ | pickcoder: thanks |
| 04:44.30 | dendrite | luke-jr_: Huh. I'm not sure I like that. :-) (I'm hopelessly old-school that way...) |
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| 04:45.44 | marco_ | how can I force an install of a package? |
| 04:45.47 | marco_ | via apt-get? |
| 04:45.52 | luke-jr_ | pickcoder: that doesn't seem to mention beta/rc tags |
| 04:46.03 | luke-jr_ | marcels: --force-depends or such? |
| 04:46.08 | dendrite | marco_: man apt-get, and prepare for breakage. |
| 04:46.37 | marco_ | dendrite, naw, ibuild insists on using a python that's below v2.4 |
| 04:46.41 | dendrite | marco_: Forcing is almost never a good idea... |
| 04:46.47 | marco_ | and it won't accept python2.3 |
| 04:46.59 | dendrite | marco_: Lots of things depend on python... |
| 04:47.16 | marco_ | is there any reason for it to insist on a version below 2.4? |
| 04:47.47 | dendrite | marco_: Could be some ABI changes... |
| 04:47.58 | marco_ | hmm |
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| 04:48.36 | dendrite | marco_: I *think* one can have multiple versions of python on a machine simultaneously...? |
| 04:48.46 | cafuego | dendrite: One can indeed. |
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| 04:51.07 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 04:51.13 | dendrite | marco_: According to http://wiki.livecd.net/livecd/IbuildHowto ibuild wants python > than 2.3.. |
| 04:51.54 | dendrite | ibuild looks cool. |
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| 04:54.20 | usr13 | Errors: http://pastebin.ca/160364 |
| 04:54.26 | marco_ | dendrite, well |
| 04:54.35 | marco_ | "The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 04:54.35 | marco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.35 | marco_ | " |
| 04:54.46 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: 1.0+1.1rc1-0 should = 1.0-0 |
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| 04:55.06 | marco_ | dendrite, I also have python2.3 installed |
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| 04:55.16 | [F] | question: do any of you guys use the pan news reader? |
| 04:55.18 | Silvervoid | i can send emails out to members of my own domain but not to any other domains. Any one know what has to be done with postfix to allow this? |
| 04:55.19 | luke-jr_ | pickcoder: how about 1.0_rc5? =p |
| 04:55.22 | dendrite | marco_: So install 2.4? |
| 04:55.29 | jetscreamer | die die all die |
| 04:55.30 | marco_ | python2.4 is already the newest version. |
| 04:55.41 | marco_ | python is already the newest version. |
| 04:55.57 | dendrite | marco_: Are you sure what you're encountering is a python version issue? |
| 04:56.03 | marco_ | well |
| 04:56.28 | marco_ | when I try apt-get install ibuild, I get the error: ibuild: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.3-11 is to be installed |
| 04:56.54 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: review the valid characters allowed in the upstream version. Also, you need to make sure you have a debian version if you want to use an upstream version. |
| 04:57.02 | marco_ | someone probably put < instead of > in the deb |
| 04:57.03 | marco_ | -_- |
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| 04:58.02 | dendrite | marco_: Ick. Well, I guess you were thinking of forcing ibuild? Is there anything in their bug system? |
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| 04:58.17 | marco_ | dendrite, I have no idea |
| 04:58.48 | luke-jr_ | pickcoder: there is no upstream |
| 04:58.57 | pickcoder | Silvervoid: you need to review relaying options for postfix |
| 04:59.24 | dendrite | marco_: I guess you could install what apt-cache depends ibuild says it needs, then force ibuild... Makes me nervous though. |
| 04:59.28 | pickcoder | Silvervoid: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
| 04:59.50 | marco_ | dendrite, well, ibuild is exactly critical, I don't see how it would cause any major breakage |
| 04:59.54 | marco_ | *isn't |
| 05:00.10 | dendrite | marco_: yes, I agree. If it were, it would be a different story. |
| 05:00.21 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: then I guess 1.0rc5 would be ok as long as you don't release 1.0 |
| 05:00.24 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: <g> |
| 05:00.50 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: 1.0 is less than 1.0rc5 |
| 05:01.07 | jair | hello guys.. |
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| 05:01.30 | dendrite | Maybe that's why I see versions like 0.1.0 ... |
| 05:01.47 | jair | if I am installing ISPconfig on my debian machine should I install ISPconfig in the /home/ directory or in the "/"? |
| 05:01.53 | luke-jr_ | pickcoder: well obviously that won't work then |
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| 05:02.01 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: thus upstreams |
| 05:02.23 | luke-jr_ | will Debian complain if I rename a .deb? |
| 05:02.32 | jair | I have a total of 7GB on "/" and I have 31GB on the /home/ directory, but I have a second HD 300GB on hdb? |
| 05:02.33 | pickcoder | luke-jr_: .99+1.0-rc5 should look like 1.0-rc5 |
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| 05:03.12 | dendrite | jair: /home/ is kind of an icky place to install apps... |
| 05:03.47 | pickcoder | dendrite: what about chroot jailing? |
| 05:04.02 | jair | dendrite: I see I should go with the "/" then or just install everything on the second hdb it is 300GB |
| 05:04.18 | jair | and I am planning in have a lot of sites hosted there |
| 05:04.25 | dendrite | pickcoder: Well, first, chroot jails are not very tight, and second, it's also a file system management issue... |
| 05:04.44 | jair | but I am not sure how to make all this work when will not be installed on the "/" = 7GB on;y |
| 05:04.47 | dendrite | jair: What is the purpose of the hdb? |
| 05:05.15 | dendrite | jair: That is, why did you run out and buy it? |
| 05:05.18 | jair | dendrite: I have it there for data, data from the domains and web sites I will be hosting |
| 05:06.04 | dendrite | jair: Well, I'm not familiar with that app, but it might make sense to partition hdb and use one partition for the management software, and the other for the user data... |
| 05:06.12 | jair | dendrite: nope I have the second "hdb" 300GB for the data of the web sites I will be hosting and also the /mp3 /pictures etc... |
| 05:06.12 | Kurtism | if there is no network why does exim load so slowly? |
| 05:06.22 | pickcoder | jair: you can mount the drive as any directory. How do you plan on hosting sites? |
| 05:06.37 | jair | pickcoder: yes sort off |
| 05:06.41 | jair | sort of |
| 05:06.42 | jair | :) |
| 05:07.16 | jair | het guys do you remember the command to make the debian system boot and check the drives, I think is fsk something ?? |
| 05:07.20 | dendrite | Kurtism: Probably trying to figure out what it's host and domain name is... |
| 05:07.24 | jair | fsdk?? |
| 05:07.29 | pickcoder | fsck |
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| 05:07.56 | jair | pickcoder: and the command will be: shitdown -r fsck? |
| 05:08.07 | dendrite | Heh. "shitdown" |
| 05:08.10 | dendrite | Good one. |
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| 05:08.45 | dendrite | jair: shutdown -h -F |
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| 05:09.19 | jair | dendrite: thank you very much |
| 05:09.39 | dendrite | jair: Actually, that's -r -F, since you want a reboot. |
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| 05:10.06 | dendrite | jair: It's all in the shutdown man page, of course. |
| 05:10.15 | jair | I saw it right now |
| 05:10.26 | Flamingo_Manipul | Yeah man, it's all in the shutdown page, I mean, um... |
| 05:10.31 | jair | dendrite: I found it :) |
| 05:10.50 | nayyares | is there any emule replce for kde? |
| 05:11.14 | jair | dendrite: do you know anything about PXE and debian? how linux works for the PXE in the installation of varios debians or linux flavors? |
| 05:11.47 | dendrite | jair: No, I haven't played with that. |
| 05:12.34 | usr13 | See: http://pastebin.ca/160372 |
| 05:12.41 | usr13 | Unmet dependencies ^ |
| 05:12.55 | jair | dendrite: I am working with a lot of customer requesting Linux servers and I need to do some kind of method to image laptops and desktops also using debian. |
| 05:13.15 | dendrite | usr13: On an upgrade, or dist-upgrade? |
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| 05:13.30 | usr13 | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:13.48 | usr13 | should I try apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:14.18 | dendrite | usr13: Perhaps, but I'm thinking the backport stuff is still gumming things up too much. |
| 05:14.30 | Tallu | Been on hold to my isp for 15 minutes.. this is going to be one long call. :P |
| 05:14.51 | [F] | question: have any of you guys installed opera using apt-get? |
| 05:15.12 | usr13 | trying "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" |
| 05:15.14 | dendrite | [F]: I just grabbed the deb and used dpkg -i ... |
| 05:15.26 | [F] | dendrite: ah, fair enough. thanks. |
| 05:15.31 | [F] | i was trying to figure out |
| 05:15.32 | pickcoder | jair: http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 05:15.36 | [F] | how to edit sources.list |
| 05:15.41 | [F] | to enable me to apt-get install opera |
| 05:15.46 | jair | pickcoder: cool let me check that |
| 05:15.49 | [F] | i found this link http://deb.opera.com/ |
| 05:16.02 | [F] | but uncommenting the dep beta stable non-free |
| 05:16.12 | [F] | ahh, don't i have to apt-get update or something? |
| 05:16.24 | [F] | after changing sources.list? |
| 05:16.33 | dendrite | [F]: Always update after editing sources. |
| 05:16.50 | usr13 | http://pastebin.ca/160374 |
| 05:16.58 | usr13 | Progress report ^ |
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| 05:18.15 | dendrite | usr13: That looks reasonable, given the bpo stuff has to come off... |
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| 05:19.04 | pickcoder | jair: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html#pxe |
| 05:19.32 | pickcoder | jair: that's Debian specific |
| 05:20.04 | jair | pickcoder: cool, you know that this will benefit everybody here and Debian family as well Linux in general :) |
| 05:20.38 | jair | pickcoder: I want to have an image server that will be deploying the images of a number of IBM laptops t42 and t40s |
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| 05:20.49 | jair | pickcoder: this will be pretty cool |
| 05:21.17 | jair | also I wonder how good is the performance of Debian on IBM Blade Centers |
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| 05:23.11 | jair | pickcoder: the only think is that that how-to is for woody, little bit old :( |
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| 05:24.35 | pickcoder | jair: same steps apply as Sarge or Etch, just different locations to get the floppy images |
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| 05:26.16 | jair | pickcoder: cool |
| 05:26.24 | jair | pickcoder: I will be working on that then |
| 05:26.30 | jair | pickcoder: thank you very much |
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| 05:27.06 | pickcoder | jair: another option is a USB stick based network install, provided your machines will boot a USB key |
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| 05:28.16 | pickcoder | jair: USB stick => http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 05:32.49 | feross | hey guys... I've moved an NTFS patition data to an EXT2 partition and made it my /home. Problem is that the data from the NTFS partition has wrong permissions. I'm trying to set all of the directories to drwxr-xr-x and the rest of the files to rw-r--r-- but with chmod -R I mess up the directories or the files. I figured out that 'find . -type d|xargs chmod 755' will work for directories but it doesn't catch directories with spaces in them. How |
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| 05:39.53 | luke-jr_ | feross: find -type d | while read d; do chmod 755 "$d"; done |
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| 05:46.46 | teksimian | whats more unstable? unstable or testing? |
| 05:47.05 | dendrite | teksimian: Trick question, right? =) |
| 05:47.38 | jair | what is the dpkg command that allow me to change the restrictions on the users on the system to see each other home?? |
| 05:48.34 | teksimian | dendrite, not really.i downloaded netinst for testing, and it was really messed up. using stable, but the packages are old. |
| 05:49.28 | dendrite | teksimian: Well, unstable is more unstable. When did you download testing netinst? |
| 05:50.16 | dendrite | teksimian: If you just want to upgrade a machine from stable to testing, you can do that by editing your /etc/apt/sources.list (change "stable" to "testing" everywhere), then run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 05:50.17 | teksimian | dendrite, a couple hours ago. |
| 05:50.53 | teksimian | dendrite, is it possible to install testing packages on stable? |
| 05:51.09 | dendrite | teksimian: mixing flavors like that is a bad idea. |
| 05:51.12 | luke-jr_ | jair: why would that have anything to do with dpkg? |
| 05:51.23 | luke-jr_ | teksimian: if you want to mix like that, use Gentoo ;p |
| 05:51.58 | dendrite | jair: It may be enough to chmod /etc/skel to change the default behaviour... |
| 05:52.12 | teksimian | luke-jr_, no thanks. |
| 05:52.40 | dendrite | jair: E.g., chmod g-rx /etc/skel |
| 05:53.03 | dendrite | jair: Or go-rx, even... |
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| 05:54.46 | teksimian | dendrite, Should I trust testing on a production server? |
| 05:54.54 | teksimian | ... stupid question. |
| 05:55.14 | teksimian | :-/ stable has antiquated packages, and cant run testing. |
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| 05:55.37 | peterS | dendrite: use of 'aptitude dist-upgrade' instead of 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is in the official upgrade instructions now, I believe - it's not just my opinion anymore (: |
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| 05:56.18 | luke-jr_ | teksimian: you'll probably live if you do |
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| 05:56.49 | basanta | can't add printer with cups after etch upgrade |
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| 05:57.01 | ircleuser | hello all |
| 05:57.12 | luke-jr_ | basanta: so detailed |
| 05:57.16 | teksimian | luke-jr_, unfortunatly i couldnt even get the netinst iso to boot. |
| 05:58.02 | jair | dendrite: guys it is a command that can be configre through the dpkg |
| 05:58.08 | ircleuser | is there something similar to transproxy that will allow me to access one of the 50 proxies that my university uses. The transproxy has to be on my laptop ... (insstead of at the server end) its irritating trying out 50 proxies to find the best one .... |
| 05:58.09 | jair | I will have to google it |
| 05:58.13 | jair | let me see |
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| 05:58.43 | basanta | is there any alternative to cups |
| 05:58.52 | v3d | even irc on this proxy is a real pain ... and i have to tunnel through the same ... |
| 05:59.20 | v3d | basanta yes depends on your printer though ... what's the printer you have ? |
| 05:59.25 | basanta | cups sucks |
| 05:59.35 | luke-jr_ | v3d: why would you want to use a proxy? |
| 05:59.47 | luke-jr_ | basanta: CUPS ???? |
| 05:59.47 | basanta | hp laserjet |
| 05:59.59 | luke-jr_ | basanta: HP sucks ;) |
| 06:00.01 | v3d | luke-jr_ i am forced to use a proxy ... |
| 06:00.12 | luke-jr_ | v3d: eww, they don't give you real internet access? |
| 06:00.17 | basanta | yes you heard it right cups sucks |
| 06:00.32 | jair | HP is very good in printers I think but nothing NothIng else :( |
| 06:00.37 | luke-jr_ | basanta: no,?HP does |
| 06:00.38 | v3d | luke-jr_ nope i wish i could tunnel through it better ... i am desperate ... |
| 06:00.47 | luke-jr_ | jair: perhaps, but not in printer drivers ;p |
| 06:00.54 | luke-jr_ | v3d: what kind of proxy? |
| 06:01.01 | v3d | luke-jr_ squid |
| 06:01.19 | luke-jr_ | v3d: that's what? http? socks? |
| 06:01.30 | v3d | http proxy |
| 06:01.34 | jair | haha |
| 06:01.37 | jair | maybe |
| 06:01.47 | luke-jr_ | eww |
| 06:01.50 | v3d | jair hmmz what do you mean maybe ? |
| 06:02.28 | luke-jr_ | v3d: complain that they should give students internet access |
| 06:02.42 | v3d | luke-jr_ hehe do you have a solution for this ? is there any service that will allow me to terminate my tunnel on theri end ? maybe something like freeshell.org / |
| 06:03.19 | luke-jr_ | v3d: a HTTP tunnel isn't going to work well |
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| 06:03.19 | luke-jr_ | v3d: can you ping 192.88.99.1 by any chance? |
| 06:03.21 | v3d | luke-jr_ forget it ... the people who run the university who frame the policy can't use a mouse if their life depended on it ... |
| 06:03.42 | jair | luke-jr_: and dendrite the command is dpkg-reconfigure adduser I think :) |
| 06:03.45 | luke-jr_ | v3d: tell them students "don't have internet" without the details, and demand internet access ;) |
| 06:04.24 | luke-jr_ | technically, it's true =p |
| 06:04.43 | v3d | luke-jr_ lol it won't happen ;) they are too pedantic ... lol and the happy part of it is all the profs have to go through the same no internet deal ;0 |
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| 06:05.03 | luke-jr_ | v3d: can you ping 192.88.99.1? |
| 06:05.21 | Weedy_laptop | when im compiling a package can i force it to use a certain version of something? |
| 06:05.24 | v3d | luke-jr_ nope i can't |
| 06:05.29 | luke-jr_ | v3d: that sucks :( |
| 06:06.03 | luke-jr_ | v3d: ok, crack their proxy server and setup some nicer stuff |
| 06:06.48 | v3d | lol hack into 50 systems and set it up ... and the get thrown out. Face the DISCO ... lol no tnx ;) |
| 06:07.07 | v3d | DISCO is Disiplinary Committie btw ... |
| 06:07.50 | luke-jr_ | v3d: internet is a human right, isn't it? ;p |
| 06:07.57 | luke-jr_ | so don't get caught, or change univ? |
| 06:08.49 | v3d | internet access is not a good reason to leave the best university in the country ;) |
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| 06:09.32 | v3d | jair why won't a http tunnel work well ? |
| 06:10.09 | v3d | jair i am using a tunnel atm with freedom servers ... i want something better ... something that will let me do p2p with emule et all ... |
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| 06:11.10 | luke-jr_ | v3d: any 'best university' would have internet access for students |
| 06:11.28 | luke-jr_ | HTTP is request-based |
| 06:11.29 | v3d | luke-jr_ welcome to India and the IIT's |
| 06:11.32 | sep | v3d, httpd tunnel should work, then you can ssh -D tru that again. And run emule on the ssh socks, (or any other app you fancy) |
| 06:12.09 | luke-jr_ | v3d: do they support https? |
| 06:12.10 | sep | luke-jr_, http-tunnel works on the 2way channel thats left open _after_ the request |
| 06:12.12 | v3d | sep is there any place where i can terminate the http tunnel ? |
| 06:12.17 | v3d | luke-jr_ yes |
| 06:12.37 | sep | v3d, wel you need a outside point to bounce of yes, i would have used my home machine. |
| 06:12.48 | luke-jr_ | v3d: I think SSL works the same as SSH... |
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| 06:15.54 | v3d | sep that's where the dilema is ... my home machine is 2000kms away and i am not going there in a hurry ... |
| 06:15.54 | luke-jr_ | v3d: If you need an outside point and can spare $19/mo, FDC servers has a 1 mbit VPS you can use for legal stuff |
| 06:15.54 | luke-jr_ | v3d: use dialup to ssh into home machine and set it up? |
| 06:15.54 | v3d | luke-jr_ hmmz 1mbit is a bit too much .. 256 k or something ... |
| 06:15.54 | luke-jr_ | v3d: or maybe just get DSL/Cable at your dorm |
| 06:15.54 | v3d | luke-jr_ when i get back home at the end of the year I will set up my home machine ... |
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| 06:15.54 | v3d | dsl/cable at my dorm is not allowed ... all i can do is get a gprs based connection ... not a good option |
| 06:16.07 | Silvervoid | mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.244.72]: No route to host) this is an error in my postfix log, anyone help me to find the bug? |
| 06:16.10 | luke-jr_ | GPRS can do 256kbit, no? |
| 06:16.34 | luke-jr_ | Silvervoid: ping it; if it works, then it was a temporary problem |
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| 06:16.45 | v3d | GPRS 3g can do that i suppose ... but there is no 3g here ... only around 96k maybe 144k ... |
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| 06:17.06 | sep | luke-jr_, and since they filter ping ? |
| 06:17.11 | luke-jr_ | v3d: move to a better country? :| |
| 06:17.23 | luke-jr_ | sep: who filters ping? |
| 06:17.33 | sep | hotmail ? :) |
| 06:17.34 | v3d | luke-jr_ maybe after i graduate and get the IIT stamp ;) |
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| 06:17.54 | luke-jr_ | sep: that's a RFC violation, I think; either way, it'll time out instead of noroutetohost |
| 06:18.04 | sep | indeed |
| 06:18.05 | v3d | i will survive my 4 years here ;) even if i have to strave without any internet access ... |
| 06:18.15 | luke-jr_ | v3d: college is a waste of money |
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| 06:19.02 | v3d | luke-jr_ IIT isn't about college ;) its about a brand name like Harvard or Stanford that you carry for the rest of your life ... you are right college makes no difference ... |
| 06:19.03 | sep | luke-jr_, point is that Silvervoid asked the same in #postfix, but wont belive us when we say it was a network issue. :) |
| 06:19.27 | luke-jr_ | sep: lol |
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| 06:19.39 | luke-jr_ | how could it be anything but a network issue? =p |
| 06:19.56 | sep | luke-jr_, perhaps postfix haev it's own routing table ? :D |
| 06:20.38 | sep | Silvervoid, jsut wait for $whatever to resolve. and the mail should go out. you can check mailq to see if it's still waiting or if it's gone already |
| 06:20.39 | luke-jr_ | Linux allows that? |
| 06:20.45 | sep | luke-jr_, joke... |
| 06:20.46 | sep | lol |
| 06:20.48 | sep | hahahaha |
| 06:22.05 | sep | luke-jr_, well actualy yes you can run postfix on it's own interface and have a separate routingtable for it. but it would be linux network doing that not postfix itself :) |
| 06:26.04 | dude | a |
| 06:27.00 | lowlevel | b |
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| 06:28.00 | simonrvn | z |
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| 06:29.20 | vic | how can i read the file with extension gz |
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| 06:35.22 | dude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:40.32 | DoppelGanger | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5311298.stm in memoria |
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| 06:41.35 | Dewi | what's the name of that powerful visual diff tool? |
| 06:41.39 | Dewi | apart from kdiff3 |
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| 06:42.08 | sanmarcos | my index finger hurts when I use the scroll, is this a sign of anything? (no stupid answers) |
| 06:43.35 | sep | sanmarcos, the mouse got us mouse elbow illness. the scroll wheel gor us index finger stillfness, use the console, and live a long and happy life without acing apendages |
| 06:43.49 | DoppelGanger | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm mwa h ah a |
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| 06:44.26 | sanmarcos | sep: terrorist |
| 06:45.12 | sep | sanmarcos, ? noo i'v quitted that i havent touched a bomb in 5 years ! |
| 06:46.54 | peterS | sep: I hardly think repeatedly hitting pgup / pgdown is going to be much better than a scroll wheel |
| 06:47.14 | sep | peterS, key repeat ? you can just hold it down |
| 06:47.27 | peterS | sep: yeah but then you have less control, particularly if the app is at all laggy |
| 06:47.43 | Dewi | one of my appendages aches with console use... but in a good way. |
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| 06:48.25 | Dewi | peterS: are you kidding? scrollwheels are completely unusable with lag |
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| 06:48.47 | Dewi | pgup/pgdn you just count the taps |
| 06:49.07 | sep | and you dont have to move the hand so long to find the mouse. |
| 06:49.35 | peterS | Dewi: well, you can count clicks on a wheel, too. I shouldn't be talking authoritatively on scroll wheels. while I am something of a local mouse expert, my primary mouse has no wheel, so I don't use one all that often |
| 06:49.49 | peterS | ("local" meaning "in #debian") |
| 06:49.59 | sep | we all just wait for the MMI interface in our heads so we can avoid all this tedious meyboard/mouse/screen thing. |
| 06:50.44 | peterS | sep: yeah, I'd rather not have a think interface to IRC. then I'd actually post what I think of people, by accident. and often that would never do. |
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| 06:52.14 | peterS | hmmm, not like my thoughts are coherent when I actually do type them. 'often that would never do' - I should proofread. what I mean is "often, that would be bad." |
| 06:52.43 | sep | peterS, any decent MMI would handle that. eg you'd have to think about what you type in a different way from your normal thougths in much the same way as you devide thught you think and things you actualy say |
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| 06:53.02 | sep | peterS, do what i mean, not what i say ? :) |
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| 06:53.24 | peterS | sep: I still have more control over my mouth than over my brain. I think it would cause problems. |
| 06:53.32 | peterS | ('mouth' including the virtual mouthpiece of my keyboard) |
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| 06:54.14 | Dewi | peterS: if you can take the division between mouth and inner brain you have from early childhood, and graft on an extra node for typing, and driving, and everything else, then you can graft another one on for MMI |
| 06:54.15 | sep | peterS, it's your brain that controls your mouth, your machine interface would be much like your mouth, ie you can choose to say (cpu interact) or not to. |
| 06:54.50 | peterS | sep: you talk as though this technology actually existed. your assertions here are nothing more than assumptions |
| 06:54.54 | sep | ofcouse there will probably be spyware, reagisternig your thought and sending off to a company so they can write personalized ad's for your lower desiers... |
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| 06:55.19 | sep | peterS, nobody would get one if it wasnt like that. |
| 06:55.31 | Dewi | peterS: sure, but the fact that you can type something without saying it and vice versa indicates you can pick up new "types" of expression |
| 06:55.34 | peterS | sep: yes, but that doesn't prove that it's possible for it to be like that |
| 06:55.35 | sep | who'd want to broadcast their sickest ideas on the net :) |
| 06:55.37 | Dewi | peterS: and keep them unconfused |
| 06:55.53 | sep | peterS, dosn't prove that it's possibe at all. |
| 06:56.05 | peterS | Dewi: I am still unconvinced that either one of you is in a position to have any idea whether it's feasible to make the same distinction from a brain prober |
| 06:56.08 | peterS | probe |
| 06:56.15 | basanta | it can't add usb cannon printer implying that its again the problem of cups |
| 06:56.33 | Dewi | peterS: it depends how efficient you're thinking |
| 06:57.02 | streuner_ | basanta: is the printer supported? |
| 06:57.21 | Dewi | peterS: people already control computers with their minds but I imagine it is very slow |
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| 06:57.23 | sep | it probably needs to be implated early for the brain to adapt to it, so it's too late for me :/ |
| 06:57.26 | basanta | yes very well |
| 06:57.32 | peterS | Dewi: dude you're so full of sh---- oh, sorry, that thought wasn't supposed to go out the virtual keyboard |
| 06:57.48 | basanta | it was working just fine before and other computers in the network are still woking |
| 06:57.53 | streuner_ | basanta: so what stops you to install the driver and use the interface of CUPS then? |
| 06:58.13 | Dewi | peterS: all I'm saying is, I can remember when I first played a games console... when I wanted the guy to jump I couldn't help move the whole controller up |
| 06:58.23 | Dewi | peterS: but with time a separation develops |
| 06:58.26 | basanta | streuner_, no no the driver is already there |
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| 06:58.32 | basanta | it comes along with cups |
| 06:58.46 | streuner_ | basanta: sounds like testing or unstable... |
| 06:58.55 | streuner_ | Did you check BTS? |
| 06:58.57 | basanta | testing |
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| 06:59.15 | peterS | Dewi: chording is where it's at. if people could learn chorded typing instead of normal typing, and there were enough input devices out there to make it feasible to _only_ learn chorded typing, I imagine it could be wicked fast |
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| 06:59.22 | Dewi | peterS: think about how many totally different interfaces people can control, and it's all learned... cars, piano keyboard, mouse, keyboard, guitar... all can be learned to the point where even somebody not concentrating will almost never mix them up |
| 06:59.27 | basanta | streuner_, do you think we can build cups from source |
| 07:00.01 | Dewi | peterS: as long as some recognisable token could be encoded into whatever brain signal you used... you'd adapt |
| 07:00.03 | streuner_ | sure, but why not check BTS before? |
| 07:00.05 | basanta | I believe we have to build more than one package |
| 07:00.21 | yarou | the qtparted package is missing when i try to install it |
| 07:00.26 | yarou | i'm running stable, Sarge |
| 07:00.48 | streuner_ | basanta: there is always sdn (/msg dpkg sdn)... |
| 07:00.52 | peterS | Dewi: it works for signaling nerves. I'm unconvinced that a computer can pick up the same difference of intent, with any degree of efficiency or reliability. given enough time for technology to develop, I suppose it will happen |
| 07:00.58 | sep | Dewi, anywon was at cebit watcing the guys with the electrodes on their head control the computer with their mind? that was pretty cool. |
| 07:01.13 | streuner_ | basanta: any idea which package cause the bug? |
| 07:01.17 | Dewi | sep: I've heard of such things, but it's been years since I saw the latest |
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| 07:01.38 | basanta | no |
| 07:02.01 | sep | Dewi, they had a strap on hat ofcouse, but that rather limits the reception, once it is implanted i belive the accuracy and speed can be improved. |
| 07:02.15 | sep | but it was working quite good already |
| 07:02.18 | streuner_ | basanta: ok, check which package you upgraded lately (ls -lt /var/lib/dpkg/info) |
| 07:02.19 | peterS | sep: I'm not wearing a vader helmet in order to use irc. sorry. |