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| 00:01.38 | nn-firedragon | Is there any possable way to do port forwording WITH OUT USING IPMASQADM |
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| 00:02.51 | nn-firedragon | i have even tryed iptables and that faild allso |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | use iptables |
| 00:03.10 | abrotman | !tell nn-firedragon about iptables |
| 00:04.02 | nn-firedragon | Did spent 3 days on it almoast with the manpage and NOTHING WORKED!!!!!!! |
| 00:04.20 | abrotman | read netfilter.org and lartc.org |
| 00:04.29 | Guerin | iptables is easy |
| 00:04.41 | bofh80 | ello |
| 00:04.42 | nn-firedragon | i wish! |
| 00:04.43 | bofh80 | :) |
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| 00:04.47 | xsystemx | im searching for an ssh web client ''that doesnt use java if possible''. any recommendations? |
| 00:05.11 | Guerin | xsystemx: never heard of such a thing |
| 00:05.17 | Guerin | xsystemx: suggest you use putty |
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| 00:05.53 | bofh80 | i plug in my wireless network card, usb, the module loads, lsmod lists it, but nothing has configured wlan0 ? how do i look into this further please |
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| 00:06.42 | HomeRoey | peterS, pickcoder: thanks |
| 00:07.16 | bofh80 | hey Wyzard you there?. a very useful fella :) |
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| 00:07.51 | Wyzard | bofh80: yes? |
| 00:08.26 | bofh80 | hey can you help > see my post? |
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| 00:08.32 | Wyzard | bofh80: Does "ifconfig -a" (or "ip link show") show a wlan0 or an eth1 or something? Or is there no interface for the card at all? |
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| 00:09.10 | bofh80 | Wyzard, no interface if i run iwconfig it says none of them have wireless connections enabled, the only interesting thing is sit0 or something, i don't know what that is |
| 00:09.35 | Wyzard | bofh80: sit0 is for IPv6-in-IPv4 tunneling, I believe... irrelevant here |
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| 00:09.56 | nn-firedragon | thanks |
| 00:10.01 | Wyzard | bofh80: sounds like the driver isn't finding the card -- check dmesg |
| 00:10.08 | bofh80 | Wyzard, then no, if try ifconfig wlan0 up , as suggest by the document i'm following, it says no such interface |
| 00:10.33 | Wyzard | bofh80: Well, of course you can't configure a nonexistent network interface; you have to get the driver to recognize the card first |
| 00:10.39 | Wyzard | bofh80: Maybe you're missing a firmware file? |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | bofh80: i'm not useful ? |
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| 00:11.02 | abrotman | bofh80: is it configured in yourinterfaces file ? |
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| 00:11.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: The interface doesn't even exist |
| 00:11.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's not an interfaces-file issue, it's a driver issue |
| 00:12.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: how will it know what to do with it if it's not defined ? |
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| 00:13.32 | bofh80 | Wyzard, zd1211 - http://zd1211.ath.cx/ - SVN_TRUNK" "Based on www.zydas.com.tw driver version 2.4.0.0" "usbcore: registered new driver zd1211" my dmesg says that :) |
| 00:13.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: Put "iface eth9 inet dhcp" in your interfaces file and then think about why it doesn't work -- you (probably) have no such interface as eth9 |
| 00:13.38 | nn-firedragon | could you possably look up on the web and see if your card is suported by that driver?? |
| 00:14.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: plug in a card .. wonder why it doesn't work ... |
| 00:14.03 | bofh80 | Wyzard, am i meant to have an entry tho? |
| 00:14.20 | xsystemx | Guerin - this is for when port22 is unaccessible |
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| 00:14.52 | Wyzard | bofh80: You'll want to have an interfaces entry eventually -- or alternatively, use NetworkManager -- but that comes *after* the hardware is actually being recognized properly |
| 00:15.00 | bofh80 | abrotman, i'll try it, but i think i tried it before |
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| 00:15.25 | Guerin | xsystemx: i searched for such a thing several months ago while travelling |
| 00:15.28 | bofh80 | Wyzard, it appears the hardware is configured correctly, the installation information doesn't mention having to setup wlan0 manually at all tho |
| 00:15.30 | Guerin | xsystemx: to no avail |
| 00:15.50 | bofh80 | Wyzard, lsmod lists it properly |
| 00:16.24 | Wyzard | bofh80: The fact that it shows up in lsmod means that the driver is loaded, not that the driver has actually noticed you have a wireless card present in your system |
| 00:16.40 | bofh80 | erm, "iface wlan0 inet auto" will do in interfaces won't it???? |
| 00:16.42 | Wyzard | bofh80: You can load the driver even if the card is physically absent |
| 00:16.46 | bofh80 | Wyzard, how do i tell? |
| 00:16.53 | nn-firedragon | i just rember hearing that all wifi cards are a pain in the neck in linux |
| 00:17.01 | bofh80 | nn-firedragon, no shit |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | i would hope the driver would tell via dmesg that it's missing firmware etc |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | bofh80: what chipset? |
| 00:17.13 | unfo | nn-firedragon, most are, considering the drivers are almost never open source. |
| 00:17.24 | Wyzard | bofh80: The presence of a wlan0 interface, as shown by "ifconfig -a" or "ip link show", is what tells you that the card is actually recognized by the driver |
| 00:17.26 | bofh80 | abrotman, zydas driver, g-260 :/ |
| 00:17.30 | nn-firedragon | ah |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | uh . ok |
| 00:17.37 | stoned | hi |
| 00:17.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: can't you get your company to make a nice OSS 54g card? :) |
| 00:18.05 | nn-firedragon | hi stoned |
| 00:18.15 | Wyzard | abrotman: ipw2200 works pretty well |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | yeah .. but ti's firmware laden |
| 00:18.40 | bofh80 | failing this, how do i tell if the debain stock kernel has ndis support compiled? |
| 00:18.57 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:19.00 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 00:19.01 | unfo | Hi all, I am getting "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized". Do I recreate /var/lib/x11/X.md5sum? If so, how do I do it? |
| 00:19.01 | MatBoy | how can I start a program when I login to KDE ? |
| 00:19.06 | Wyzard | bofh80: ndiswrapper is a separate module |
| 00:19.09 | stoned | has anyone bought any HW from newegg ever? and if so, are they reliable and all that. I am in need of at least a 250+ sata hdd |
| 00:19.15 | stoned | I have maybe a 100$ budget |
| 00:19.19 | Wyzard | bofh80: but don't go to ndiswrapper quite yet... you haven't even done anything to troubleshoot the problem |
| 00:19.34 | Wyzard | stoned: Yes, newegg is reputable and reliable |
| 00:19.34 | abrotman | 250+ what? |
| 00:19.37 | unfo | bofh80, ndiswrapper is not a first-choice solution. |
| 00:19.37 | bofh80 | Wyzard, yeah i know, ndis wrapper is like wine for windows apps right |
| 00:19.43 | stoned | Wyzard, thank you sir |
| 00:20.11 | Wyzard | bofh80: sort of, yes |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | bofh80: i could give you my opinion on that process :) |
| 00:20.30 | bofh80 | maybe i should actually try the firmware from the webpage rather than the debian one, the firmware version is what's listed on the dmesg not the driver version, so it appears to be loading |
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| 00:20.48 | bofh80 | abrotman, go right ahead ;) |
| 00:20.52 | unfo | MatBoy, I just save my session when I shut down. It makes the app restart when I start up again. |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | !captiventfs |
| 00:21.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE ... |
| 00:21.07 | Wyzard | bofh80: Take the card out, put it back in, and look at what messages are printed on dmesg when you put the card in |
| 00:21.10 | nn-firedragon | i thought it would be cool if they make one that had an lcd display screen, or webserver ** gateway setup** type thing that you would set the setings in and not have to deal with the making or seting up of drivers! |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | bofh80: kind of like that :) |
| 00:21.12 | unfo | MatBoy, KDE has an autostart feature but I don't use it. |
| 00:21.15 | MatBoy | unfo, yep that is what I don;t want... |
| 00:21.22 | bofh80 | wyzard i posted that already :) |
| 00:21.24 | w3rdn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.25 | MatBoy | unfo, where is that function ? |
| 00:21.34 | abrotman | w3rdn4: no ? |
| 00:21.38 | bofh80 | Wyzard, "zd1211 - http://zd1211.ath.cx/ - SVN_TRUNK" "Based on www.zydas.com.tw driver version 2.4.0.0" "usbcore: registered new driver zd1211" my dmesg says that :) |
| 00:21.39 | unfo | MatBoy, I would google for: kde autostart |
| 00:21.46 | abrotman | or ask #kde |
| 00:21.47 | MatBoy | unfo, good idea |
| 00:22.02 | MatBoy | does someone also know why kmix never saves his settings ? |
| 00:22.08 | unfo | "his"? |
| 00:22.22 | stoned | MatBoy, I use it and it always retains its settings |
| 00:22.22 | Wyzard | bofh80: That's when you plug the wireless device in, and there's nothing more than that? |
| 00:22.23 | unfo | dpkg, listkeys autostart |
| 00:22.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'autostart' by key (1): autostart kde. |
| 00:22.28 | unfo | dpkg, autostart kde |
| 00:22.29 | dpkg | methinks autostart kde is ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 00:22.38 | nn-firedragon | i preferr aumix to any mixer |
| 00:22.41 | bofh80 | i'll shoot again and let you know |
| 00:22.42 | stoned | !dpkgboty |
| 00:22.45 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 00:22.45 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 00:22.47 | stoned | damn keyboard |
| 00:22.49 | MatBoy | unfo, when I set kmix on 6ch instead of 2ch it will not save this... the same with the volume-settings |
| 00:22.57 | unfo | dunno |
| 00:23.01 | unfo | Hi all, I am getting "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized". Do I recreate /var/lib/x11/X.md5sum? If so, how do I do it? |
| 00:23.14 | unfo | s/recreate/need to recreate |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | !xserver-xorg postinst warning |
| 00:24.24 | dpkg | xserver-xorg postinst warning is, like, If you get an error that states "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" please run "dexconf; rm /etc/X11/X; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 00:24.36 | unfo | abrotman, thank you |
| 00:24.47 | abrotman | unfo: let me know if it works .. i haven't verified it yet |
| 00:25.32 | stoned | abrotman, I'm using sid, and xchat doesn't do auto spelling correction (inline spell check) it merely underlines them red? do you know how to do this? |
| 00:25.43 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 00:25.59 | abrotman | piggy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:25.59 | stoned | not here it doesnt |
| 00:26.04 | Wyzard | stoned: It does some of each |
| 00:26.05 | abrotman | install ispell or aspell ? |
| 00:26.08 | stoned | yup |
| 00:26.14 | Wyzard | stoned: Type 'u' followed by a space |
| 00:26.20 | stoned | u |
| 00:26.24 | abrotman | stoned: oh .. yeah .. it will underline .. it only correct certain words |
| 00:26.30 | Wyzard | stoned: a space, not Enter |
| 00:26.31 | abrotman | llike the |
| 00:26.33 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:26.37 | abrotman | like "teh" |
| 00:26.38 | stoned | ahh, so I have to manually build a autocorrection file |
| 00:26.41 | Wyzard | stoned: It automatically changes it to "you" |
| 00:26.43 | stoned | goddamit |
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| 00:26.48 | stoned | Wyzard, u u u u u u |
| 00:26.53 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:26.55 | Wyzard | hmm, weird |
| 00:26.56 | abrotman | !tell stoned about u |
| 00:26.58 | Wyzard | dunno, sorry |
| 00:27.01 | stoned | oh |
| 00:27.10 | stoned | tool! |
| 00:27.29 | elliptic | the |
| 00:27.34 | elliptic | sorry |
| 00:27.52 | bofh80o | Wyzard, differente this time : "usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4" "usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" "hci_usb: probe of 4-1:1.0 failed with error -5" |
| 00:28.12 | stoned | advanced>auto replace |
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| 00:28.55 | stoned | but that is custom auto replaces. I want auto spell correction :( |
| 00:29.20 | Guerin | stoned: just be less stupid |
| 00:29.44 | stoned | I don't think I'm stupid |
| 00:29.46 | Guerin | stoned: i know it's hard when you work for dell, but you can at least try |
| 00:29.59 | nn-firedragon | How do i get nncp to automatically up date from my servers NTP thing |
| 00:30.01 | stoned | now you're just being a dick |
| 00:30.05 | unfo | stoned, ERC (an IRC client) can do auto spelling correction. |
| 00:30.19 | stoned | unfo, i'll check it thanks |
| 00:30.27 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:30.36 | stoned | Guerin, its not that I can't spell, its mostly that I don't give a rats ass about proper spelling when I type fast |
| 00:30.38 | unfo | nn-firedragon, try: apt-get install ntpdate then /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
| 00:30.40 | Guerin | unfo didn't mention that erc is emacs |
| 00:30.51 | Wyzard | bofh80: You built yourself a zd1211-kernel package from Debian's zd1211-source package? |
| 00:31.03 | unfo | stoned, Guerin is right. apt-get install emacs21 erc |
| 00:31.04 | nn-firedragon | so can gaim |
| 00:31.07 | unfo | emacs -f erc-select |
| 00:31.12 | unfo | and you're done. |
| 00:31.27 | Guerin | notwithstanding the fact that erc is shit |
| 00:31.38 | nn-firedragon | thanks |
| 00:31.46 | stoned | I don't think i'll anything but xchat or irssi |
| 00:31.46 | unfo | I love it: it has Ctrl-R backscroll search and M-/ dynamic expansion. |
| 00:31.49 | stoned | +use |
| 00:32.08 | unfo | stoned, if you don't give it a chance you are losing out. |
| 00:32.08 | pstickne | xchat will sometimes let you know if a word is misspelled too |
| 00:32.32 | stoned | unfo, I understand |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | we've been over that :) |
| 00:33.29 | unfo | abrotman, if I am not back in 2 min, then your factoid worked. |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | oh .. that's useful |
| 00:34.58 | nn-firedragon | how do i tell ntpdate to go to server |
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| 00:35.13 | abrotman | ntpdate <server> |
| 00:35.19 | abrotman | though .. you should use pool.ntp.org |
| 00:35.50 | tapple | when I run m-a prepare, I get an error: cannot find package linux-headers-<custom kernel> |
| 00:36.00 | nn-firedragon | i prefer to use m y server |
| 00:36.02 | nn-firedragon | lol |
| 00:36.27 | abrotman | tapple: why do you think that is ? |
| 00:36.32 | junix-other | is there a way to setup reportbug to wrok with gmail SSL smtp?? |
| 00:36.43 | tapple | abrotman: I do not know. |
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| 00:36.51 | abrotman | tapple: did you use make-kpkg ? |
| 00:36.59 | tapple | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:37.11 | abrotman | tapple: did you make a linux-headers-blahblahblah package? |
| 00:37.25 | HomeRoey | hey, there are now three (3) Jews in #debian. |
| 00:37.39 | junix-other | oh?? |
| 00:37.45 | HomeRoey | yeah. |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | might be more than that |
| 00:37.55 | HomeRoey | um, as far as I know. |
| 00:37.57 | tapple | abrotman: I did not see that in the kernel manual. no I did not |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | tapple: make-kpkg has targets .. i personally use 'binary' .. which makes -image -headers -source and -doc |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | and i keep them .. incase |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | !tell FinnTux about away |
| 00:39.33 | FinnTux | ok ok |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | !tell FinnTux about away |
| 00:40.49 | junix-other | ..? |
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| 00:41.56 | abrotman | junix: if you have a real smtp host that works with gmail .. you could route it through there |
| 00:42.58 | dak | whats channel mode +c ? |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | check the FN faq |
| 00:43.38 | abrotman | colour filter |
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| 00:46.00 | mortal5 | how do you remove software, and all of it's deps that are unused on a debian system? |
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| 00:46.33 | tuv | mortal5, use aptitude! |
| 00:46.33 | nn-firedragon | ACK ! now my cp is saying it is midnight when it is onily 9 PM |
| 00:46.57 | dvs | mortal5: Either start using aptitude or use debfoster to find the abandoned lib packages |
| 00:47.31 | mortal5 | right now I'm using synaptic, I was dissapointed they didn't have the option in there |
| 00:47.41 | mortal5 | thx though I'll look into it |
| 00:47.41 | nn-firedragon | from right off the ntp server |
| 00:47.55 | nn-firedragon | pool.ntp.org |
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| 00:48.03 | Estagus | re all |
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| 00:48.19 | javiolo | mortal5 aptitude |
| 00:48.39 | Estagus | I have 1 problem installing debian sarge netinst on SUN E3500 server |
| 00:48.40 | javiolo | mortal5 and check debfoster |
| 00:48.41 | nn-firedragon | is there a seting for eastern time onily |
| 00:49.14 | Estagus | anyone can try to help me? |
| 00:49.42 | nn-firedragon | abrotman, is there a seting for getting eastern time |
| 00:50.11 | Estagus | debian installer do not see a FCAL hard drives.... |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | tzconfig |
| 00:50.43 | Estagus | after manual load of modules start to see only a scsi cdrom |
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| 00:52.09 | javiolo | agh I said the same that dvs... |
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| 00:55.21 | tapple | m-a auto-install nvidia fails: ignoring nvidia-kernel-source. maybe you need to add something to sources.list. |
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| 00:55.45 | tapple | sources.list contains one line: |
| 00:56.03 | tapple | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:56.42 | tapple | !m-a ignoring package |
| 00:56.42 | dpkg | ignoring: to compile and install package for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i package && modprobe package ; if this works echo package >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 00:56.49 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 00:56.49 | hburchey | I installed a package and I was asked some configuration questions, but on reflection I realise that I gave it the wrong answers. Is there some way to rerun the configuration thingy or do I have to purge it and reinstall? |
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| 00:57.11 | dendrite | hburchey: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 00:57.23 | hburchey | dendrite, Thanks. |
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| 00:58.15 | tapple | hburchey: Is that valid if I am using Xorg 7? |
| 00:58.37 | hburchey | tapple, Dunno dude, ask dendrite =) |
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| 01:00.01 | em-dash | where would I go looking for mysql-dev (for mysql-server-5.0 v5.0.24)? |
| 01:00.24 | abrotman | apt-cache search -- mysql -dev |
| 01:00.27 | tapple | dendrite: m-a auto-install nvidia fails: ignoring nvidia-kernel-source. Do you know why? I am using etch and Xorg 7.0.22 |
| 01:00.44 | dendrite | tapple: No clue, sorry. |
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| 01:00.54 | tapple | dendrite: ok |
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| 01:01.21 | abrotman | tapple: the packages aren't in etch maybe ? |
| 01:01.50 | mortal5 | does anyone know where i can find some good docu on aptitude? |
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| 01:02.19 | abrotman | man aptitude ? |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 01:02.27 | dpkg | aptitude is, like, a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 01:02.56 | em-dash | abrotman: Zenoss, a network monitoring app requires a "MySQL development environment" -- do you suppose libmysqlclient15-dev would fit the bill? |
| 01:03.01 | dendrite | mortal5: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 01:03.09 | enouf | there's a friggin built in tutorial |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | em-dash: prolly |
| 01:03.58 | em-dash | abrotman: thx |
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| 01:06.24 | em-dash | abrotman: that was the right -dev, thanks again |
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| 01:13.23 | bintut | hello all.. i'm running a debian etch here and using an hp compaq nx6125 amd turion64 laptop. anybody can help me here on how can i make this laptop cool down.. its temperature is too high! :( |
| 01:16.28 | bofh80 | sigh, i need to get pppoe working, is there a nice gui anywhere with logs ? :D |
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| 01:18.17 | herbi | hullo guys |
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| 01:18.30 | herbi | i have configured a script to do something and be executed by cron weekly |
| 01:18.41 | herbi | i want another line in the script to send an email to my gmail to notify me if it succeeded or failed |
| 01:18.52 | mhall | bintut: yeah i can give you some tips |
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| 01:19.05 | herbi | so i did nail -s "Weekly Work" -a "WeeklyWork.log" some@gmail.com |
| 01:19.21 | herbi | how do i include a message body in a scriptable line like that? |
| 01:19.38 | mhall | bintut: install cpufrequtils to start |
| 01:19.42 | herbi | ah nevermind figured it out |
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| 01:19.50 | herbi | echo "Body" | nail -s "Weekly Work" -a "WeeklyWork.log" some@gmail.com |
| 01:20.02 | bintut | mhall: how can i enable fan to work? |
| 01:20.09 | mhall | bintut: edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils, set ENABLE="true" GOVERNOR="ondemand" |
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| 01:21.11 | mhall | bintut: also set MAX_SPEED and MIN_SPEED to right values from /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq |
| 01:21.29 | smacnay_ | is there a utility to put a playlist from a cd in a nice format for printing? |
| 01:21.30 | mhall | bintut: other things to do. enable acpi. make sure acpi fan driver is up and running |
| 01:21.39 | bintut | mhall: any others? i believe, cpufrequtils will just set your processor at least half the real processing speed. that also helps but i also need to make my 4 fans work of my laptop |
| 01:22.13 | mhall | bintut: CONFIG_ACPI_FAN |
| 01:22.36 | bintut | mhall: where is it? |
| 01:22.45 | mhall | bintut: not quite right on cpufrequtils, check in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies for correct details |
| 01:23.22 | mhall | bintut: Power management options (ACPI, APM) --->ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support ---><*> Fan |
| 01:23.43 | bintut | mhall: the output of my "dmesg | grep Fan" says my 4 fans are OFF |
| 01:23.46 | mhall | bintut: ouch |
| 01:24.13 | mhall | bintut: try modinfo on the acpi fan module |
| 01:24.46 | mhall | bintut: This driver adds support for ACPI fan devices, allowing user-mode │ │ applications to perform basic fan control (on, off, status). |
| 01:24.55 | mhall | bintut: note *user-mode* |
| 01:25.06 | mhall | bintut: probably we can find a file you can put values into to turn on the fans |
| 01:25.12 | mhall | bintut: which will get us started |
| 01:26.41 | bintut | mhall: how to use modinfo? is it just "modinfo fan" |
| 01:26.42 | bintut | ? |
| 01:27.11 | bintut | mhall: where can i find the CONFIG_ACPI_FAN ? |
| 01:27.20 | mhall | bintut: try /proc/acpi/fan |
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| 01:27.33 | mhall | bintut: CONFIG_ACPI_FAN in kernel menuconfig is Power management options (ACPI, APM) --->ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support ---><*> Fan |
| 01:27.35 | enouf | bintut : try grep CONFIG_ACPI_FAN /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 01:27.55 | mhall | bintut: better try the name of the fan module as listed in the kernel boot data |
| 01:28.04 | mhall | bintut: in /proc/acpi/fan you might find some help |
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| 01:28.37 | bintut | mhall: i'm using the kernel from debian |
| 01:29.19 | mhall | bintut: well i don't have the fan module on this box because it's a desktop |
| 01:29.26 | mhall | bintut: so you might have to look in lsmod | grep fan |
| 01:29.31 | mhall | bintut: to see if it got loaded there |
| 01:29.41 | mortal5 | I need help sorting out a wierd character problem |
| 01:29.50 | mortal5 | take a look at this: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games" |
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| 01:29.53 | mortal5 | LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 01:29.54 | mortal5 | ouch sry |
| 01:29.57 | mortal5 | #LANGUAGE="en" |
| 01:30.09 | mortal5 | how the heck did that get in my xclipboard |
| 01:30.20 | bintut | mhall: kindly check out http://rafb.net/paste/results/IhnsMY14.html |
| 01:31.05 | mhall | bintut: echo 'on' > /proc/sys/acpi/fan/*/* |
| 01:31.18 | mhall | bintut: modinfo fan |
| 01:31.23 | mhall | bintut: thanks for paste |
| 01:31.39 | mhall | mortal5: ok so what's the char. prob.? |
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| 01:32.04 | mortal5 | http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stupidcharspn5.png |
| 01:32.08 | bintut | mhall: i don't have a /proc/sys/acpi directory here. i only have the /proc/acpi/fan/*/* |
| 01:32.14 | mhall | bintut: sorry typo |
| 01:32.25 | mhall | bintut: echo 'on' > /proc/acpi/fan/*/* |
| 01:32.41 | bintut | # echo 'on' > /proc/acpi/fan/*/* |
| 01:32.41 | bintut | -su: /proc/acpi/fan/*/*: ambiguous redirect |
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| 01:32.54 | mortal5 | mhall: I've ruled out ncurses being the prob, since mc looks fine via the tty |
| 01:33.01 | mhall | bintut: for file in /proc/acpi/fan/*/*; do echo 'on' > $file; done; |
| 01:33.08 | mhall | mortal5: tried another term |
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| 01:33.21 | mhall | mortal5: i can't tell which term that is |
| 01:33.40 | mortal5 | mhall: aterm |
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| 01:34.00 | mortal5 | mhall: yeah i just tested it with xterm, and it looks fine |
| 01:34.16 | mortal5 | which makes me wonder exactly what is causing it in aterm in the first place |
| 01:34.20 | mhall | mortal5: yeah some terms are *still* not utf safe |
| 01:34.28 | mhall | mortal5: maybe they used a sucky font |
| 01:34.28 | bintut | mhall: status are all now in ON for all the contents of my /proc/acpi/fan/*/* |
| 01:34.35 | mhall | bintut: are they doing anything? |
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| 01:34.45 | bintut | mhall: but my next question is, how will i know that my fans are really working? |
| 01:34.57 | mhall | bintut: lol, you can't see / hear / feel them? |
| 01:35.06 | mhall | bintut: or, laptop's still a bit cool? |
| 01:35.24 | mortal5 | mhall: that's really too bad, I love aterm |
| 01:35.36 | bintut | mhall: i think it's working already |
| 01:35.57 | mhall | bintut: apparently acpitool deb can help to make fan tweaks |
| 01:36.03 | bintut | there is a hot air that is blowing out from the laptop |
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| 01:36.16 | bintut | mhall: acpitool is already installed |
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| 01:37.02 | mhall | bintut: info on playing with the fan trip points is here http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt |
| 01:37.23 | bintut | mhall: kindly check out http://rafb.net/paste/results/aIsDWU84.html |
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| 01:38.27 | bintut | mhall: based on the output of the acpitool command, why is it that my battery is in #2 ? |
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| 01:38.48 | mhall | bintut: i'm guessing you have got a multibay laptop |
| 01:38.57 | mhall | bintut: and one of the other bays is considered #1 |
| 01:39.20 | bintut | mhall: i'm using an hp compaq nx6125 amd turion64 laptop |
| 01:39.22 | enouf | bintut: mhall - since it's a laptop (I don't know laptops well) maybe a 'modprobe -l | grep acpi' to see a listing of avail modules for laptops - also do a 'lshal | grep fan.enabled' for status |
| 01:39.55 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 01:40.50 | peteweez | Hey I have a problem with wine 9.20 and DVD Shrink 3.2 (specific details available). Anyone know anything about this? |
| 01:41.26 | abrotman | ask #winehq ? |
| 01:41.30 | simonrvn | 9.20? |
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| 01:41.44 | peteweez | Oh 0.9.20 |
| 01:41.46 | simonrvn | i have 0.9.16 here.. was just updated |
| 01:41.53 | peteweez | no one's awake in #winehq |
| 01:41.59 | peteweez | newest ver is 0.9.20 |
| 01:42.03 | simonrvn | it's not even in debian |
| 01:42.07 | peteweez | nope |
| 01:42.13 | peteweez | unofficial ubuntu repository |
| 01:42.19 | simonrvn | so here isn't the best place |
| 01:42.29 | peteweez | but the debian official packages don't work either |
| 01:42.41 | simonrvn | worked last time i ran it |
| 01:42.41 | peteweez | I was told to upgrade to the latest ver by someone else |
| 01:42.52 | peteweez | Do you use DVD Shrink with it? |
| 01:42.57 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:43.01 | abrotman | peteweez: then tell the person that helped you to fix it |
| 01:43.01 | bintut | mhall and enouf: kindly check this out ==> http://rafb.net/paste/results/pqfJeU45.html |
| 01:43.03 | mhall | enouf: unfortunately the module is called just fan it appears |
| 01:43.16 | peteweez | abrotman: Yeah I don't even remember his/her name |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | peteweez: honestly .. best place to ask is probably #winehq |
| 01:43.21 | mhall | enouf: /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | peteweez: was it in here ? |
| 01:43.37 | peteweez | peteweez: #winehq |
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| 01:43.45 | abrotman | peteweez: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:43.50 | mhall | enouf: i'm not sure on lshal, haven't got it on my box |
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| 01:44.06 | mhall | enouf: i kind of have to use older kernel boot technology because udev breaks my alsa support |
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| 01:44.31 | hburchey | What is the 'wheel' group called in debian? |
| 01:44.32 | peteweez | tail -the number one or the letter l? |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | one |
| 01:44.53 | peteweez | ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | peteweez: honestly .. you're not using the debian version of the package .. we probably can't help you much |
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| 01:45.07 | peteweez | abrotman: It's in the debian packages too |
| 01:45.17 | abrotman | peteweez: the guy from #winehq probably had you download their daily deb from the winehq site |
| 01:45.33 | peteweez | abrotman: It doesn't really have much to do with who's repository it is or what version; it's in all the versions |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | peteweez: it is .. but a different version .. |
| 01:45.50 | peteweez | abrotman: You're right |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | you're having a problem with a non-Debian version and a windows app :) |
| 01:46.27 | oKtosiTe | hburchey: there's a wheel group, or there's no wheel group. |
| 01:46.32 | abrotman | admittedly .. if it doesn't work with that version .. probably doesn't work with the one in sid either |
| 01:46.36 | peteweez | abrotman: Yeah but it's a debian system :-) OK I know that's lame |
| 01:46.49 | peteweez | it doesn't work with etch I know that |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | the only thing i want to work in wine .. doesn't .. |
| 01:47.07 | bintut | mhall: regarding the command: for file in /proc/acpi/fan/*/*; do echo 'on' > $file; done; |
| 01:47.09 | peteweez | It worked OK (but still with problems) in a really old sarge package |
| 01:47.12 | enouf | mhall : yes - lshal is udev related and since bintut is using 2.6.16, he'd likey have hal - but yeah ...bintut ; fwiw - AFAIK - dmesg's output is not going to change until you reboot ... so grepping it anymore won't matter at this point - 'ls ls /proc/acpi/fan/' my desktop only shows FAN1, but you syhould have 4 it seems |
| 01:47.17 | abrotman | last i tried .. it actually crashed X |
| 01:47.23 | peteweez | abrotman: what do you want to work in wine? |
| 01:47.28 | abrotman | TA! |
| 01:47.28 | enouf | oops ls /proc/acpi/fan/ |
| 01:47.29 | bintut | mhall: would it be a good idea that i'll run it during boot? |
| 01:47.37 | mhall | enouf: right, he did have it in his pastebin but i'm counting on you to interpret it |
| 01:47.44 | mhall | bintut: well thing is it causes continuous fan |
| 01:47.51 | mhall | bintut: there is probably a more efficient method |
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| 01:48.00 | mhall | bintut: which won't fuck your batteries |
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| 01:48.11 | mhall | bintut: obvious when on ac this is not so much of a problem |
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| 01:48.29 | mhall | bintut: in the end though you'll probably have to figure out an acpid configuration which can make this happen on the fly |
| 01:48.41 | mhall | bintut: if you want, i work for hp so i can file a support ticket for you |
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| 01:48.47 | bintut | mhall: i have an acpid, too. |
| 01:48.52 | bintut | mhall: yes, please? :) |
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| 01:48.55 | magyar | hi |
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| 01:49.05 | bintut | mhall: my laptop is HP Compaq nx6125 |
| 01:49.07 | enouf | mhall : wondering if bintut has ACPI disbled as a boot parameter (acpi=off option), or disabled in the BIOS as well |
| 01:49.10 | jetscreamer | ph33r mah phat bellie |
| 01:49.18 | mhall | bintut: ok, please supply me an email address and phone number by /msg |
| 01:49.32 | mhall | enouf: interesting point, but if you do, you lose energy states and speed scaling |
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| 01:49.39 | bintut | mhall: i was able to read some forums that my laptop might have a buggy bios/acpi |
| 01:49.41 | mhall | enouf: although you might get the fans to go back to bios mode |
| 01:49.42 | peteweez | abrotman: TA? |
| 01:49.48 | abrotman | !ta |
| 01:49.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam, or antipodean slang for "thank you". Total Annihilation(Best RTS *evar*). Teaching Assistant |
| 01:49.49 | jetscreamer | you don't work in houston do you mhall |
| 01:49.52 | mhall | bintut: one possibility you can try is disabling the fan module |
| 01:49.58 | bintut | enouf: acpi is enable for both |
| 01:49.58 | peteweez | ah |
| 01:50.08 | mhall | bintut: which might encourage the fan not to switch to os-controlled mode |
| 01:50.09 | peteweez | abrotman: Wine doesn't work so great for games |
| 01:50.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: did someone try to attack you with a dildo on the street ? |
| 01:50.10 | mortal5 | I feel stupid asking this, but the comamnd to run eterm is eterm is it not/ |
| 01:50.13 | mortal5 | ? |
| 01:50.16 | abrotman | peteweez: it's an old game |
| 01:50.19 | jetscreamer | abrotman: not lately |
| 01:50.24 | bintut | mhall: ok.. |
| 01:50.28 | mhall | mortal5: dpkg -L eterm |
| 01:50.29 | peteweez | abrotman: is it a direct3d app? |
| 01:50.30 | enouf | bintut: okie - got any Cool-n-Quiet settings that might be interfering - or just not enabled ? |
| 01:50.50 | peteweez | abrotman: Direct3D apps seem to suck in wine. |
| 01:50.51 | mhall | enouf: i think once you enable acpi fan driver, the bios gives up on fan control |
| 01:51.00 | mhall | enouf: personally i think acpi fans are a pretty bad idea |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | peteweez: lots of things suck in wine |
| 01:51.11 | jetscreamer | i like always on at full speed |
| 01:51.15 | jetscreamer | for fans |
| 01:51.18 | peteweez | abrotman: true enough |
| 01:51.24 | mhall | jetscreamer: that's gonna fuck your battery |
| 01:51.30 | peteweez | abrotman: At least some things work |
| 01:51.35 | mhall | jetscreamer: no i work in california |
| 01:51.36 | jetscreamer | ah ... insert ^ on desktops |
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| 01:51.38 | mhall | jetscreamer: why? |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | peteweez: it used to work .. no more |
| 01:51.43 | jetscreamer | i'm in hou |
| 01:51.47 | jetscreamer | just curious |
| 01:51.47 | mhall | jetscreamer: hp? |
| 01:51.50 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 01:51.52 | mhall | jetscreamer: lol |
| 01:51.55 | bintut | enouf: what's a Cool-n-Quiet setting? how will i know if i have those? |
| 01:51.59 | jetscreamer | mom&pop compshop |
| 01:51.59 | mhall | dirtiest air in the usa |
| 01:52.09 | peteweez | Does anyone know if you can use vamps or qvamps to shrink a DVD even more after you've ripped it with K9Copy? |
| 01:52.16 | enouf | bintut: It's AMD64's speed-scaling |
| 01:52.23 | mhall | bintut: so supply me a phone number and an email address and i can file a support ticket |
| 01:52.28 | peteweez | abrotman: I would use K9Copy, but sometimes it doesn't compress the dvd enough. |
| 01:52.38 | mhall | enouf: speed scale should only play with cpu ghz, not acpi fans |
| 01:52.45 | bintut | enouf: how will i know if its enabled? |
| 01:52.46 | jetscreamer | dvd's ripped to avi should be 1.4g imo |
| 01:52.47 | mhall | peteweez: lxdvdrip |
| 01:52.51 | bintut | mhall: i already pmsg you |
| 01:52.56 | mhall | bintut: didn't receive |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | peteweez: i don't know anything about pirating DVDs |
| 01:53.01 | jetscreamer | those 700's are almost good enough |
| 01:53.10 | jetscreamer | i'll teach you someday son |
| 01:53.26 | peteweez | jetscreamer and mhall: I'm trying to make verbatim copies (with original menus) from dvd-9 to dvd-5 |
| 01:53.31 | tuv | jetscreamer, h264 with 700M is a good combination |
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| 01:53.35 | mhall | peteweez: lxdvdrip |
| 01:53.43 | mhall | peteweez: this is what i myself use it for |
| 01:53.49 | peteweez | abrotman: Oh you gotta get with the program, it's the latest fad! |
| 01:53.58 | peteweez | mhall: OK I'll check it out, thanks |
| 01:54.01 | mhall | peteweez: it rips dvd-9 and recompresses, and for dvd-5 it rips raw and leaves it the same |
| 01:54.06 | mhall | peteweez: very intelligent app |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | peteweez: that would require effort .. and the desire to watch the crap hollywood puts out |
| 01:54.12 | mhall | peteweez: note the conf file is in german |
| 01:54.22 | mhall | peteweez: i have got a working conf file if you like |
| 01:54.23 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 01:54.32 | peteweez | mhall: It's OK, Ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch. |
| 01:54.40 | denmaeth | i need help with hplip |
| 01:54.43 | peteweez | mhall: does it preserve original menus? |
| 01:54.48 | peteweez | abrotman: good point |
| 01:54.51 | peteweez | it is crap |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | i saw superman and pirates II this summer .. and i want my money back |
| 01:55.03 | abrotman | (they can keep the money for cars) |
| 01:55.11 | peteweez | lol |
| 01:55.19 | enouf | mhall _ well the scaling should disable - slower the fan speed as appropriate accorfing to temp ...cool - n - "quiet" :-) |
| 01:55.24 | mhall | peteweez: indeed it does |
| 01:55.26 | jetscreamer | !tell denmaeth -about ask |
| 01:55.28 | enouf | according* |
| 01:55.31 | mhall | peteweez: if you want it to |
| 01:55.34 | peteweez | Does lxdvdrip kill CSS? |
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| 01:55.55 | mhall | enouf: yes i did get him going down that route with cpufrequtils ondemand |
| 01:56.07 | enouf | bintut : check AMD's site - read your Laptops documentation - usually it's a BIOS settings to ENABLE/DISABLE |
| 01:56.09 | mhall | enouf: which will autoscale the ghz on the fly to match with the load average |
| 01:56.18 | jetscreamer | there is no lsisa eh, like lspci ? |
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| 01:56.26 | mhall | enouf: usu. it's on by default and needs OS assistance to monitor load and start working |
| 01:56.39 | mhall | enouf: this is provided by cpufrequtils + kernel ondemand cpu governor |
| 01:56.54 | peteweez | mhall: OK the lxdvdrip site says it can only rip dvds smaller than DVD-5 and still keep the menus. |
| 01:57.11 | denmaeth | i tryed to install hplip 1.6.7 / installe sip QT pyQt and it doesnt work says segment falt |
| 01:57.11 | peteweez | I need to do a 1:1 copy of DVD-9 with CSS to DVD-5 |
| 01:57.26 | jetscreamer | peteweez: doom9.org |
| 01:57.28 | mhall | peteweez: hmm |
| 01:57.38 | jetscreamer | there's some lin and win.. heavy on the win though |
| 01:57.39 | mhall | peteweez: i thought it kept em on my dvd-9 but let me verify |
| 01:58.14 | peteweez | jetscreamer: yeah that's a great site, what do you want me to do with it? |
| 01:59.04 | mhall | peteweez: alright, i have verified, and found that it does not preserve menus on dvd-9 |
| 01:59.16 | mhall | peteweez: drat, no wonder the menus worked on the porn discs, they are dvd-5 |
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| 01:59.26 | mhall | peteweez: but on a feature film, no menus |
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| 02:00.17 | bintut | enouf: ok.. thanks.. :) |
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| 02:00.42 | bintut | mhall: kindly check your e-mail. thanks. :) |
| 02:01.03 | peteweez | mhall: porn discs...lol |
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| 02:01.16 | peteweez | mhall: that's the impression I got from the website |
| 02:01.45 | peteweez | mhall: Porn probably isn't even CSS...it's too low-budget |
| 02:02.00 | abrotman | bastards probably use <b></b> |
| 02:02.41 | mhall | abrotman: LOL! |
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| 02:02.59 | mhall | peteweez: yeah a lot of it isn't, but it's nice to have the all-in-one app |
| 02:03.07 | peteweez | mhall: quite true |
| 02:03.19 | peteweez | some dude on #winehq told me to check out dvdbackup |
| 02:03.22 | enouf | peteweez : haven't tried shrinking a 9 down to a 5, but perhaps chopping out the added languages, subtitles, iunused audio encodings can bring it down - see http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?DvdRippers for some more info using rippers |
| 02:03.40 | bintut | mhall: i don't have a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ directory |
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| 02:04.00 | peteweez | enouf: yeah each language is only a few hundred MB...that doesn't cut back enough |
| 02:04.07 | peteweez | enouf: You think vamps would work |
| 02:04.09 | peteweez | ? |
| 02:04.27 | peteweez | or if I compress one thing with vamps, would that screw up the ifo files? |
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| 02:04.36 | enouf | peteweez: no idea :-o |
| 02:04.39 | bintut | mhall: i'm about to set the MAX_SPEED and MIN_SPEED of my /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 02:04.52 | bintut | shall i enable the cpufreqd also? |
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| 02:06.53 | hon | how can I change the vga mode of tty1-tty6? I want them to use higher resolutions. |
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| 02:07.23 | peteweez | enouf: I just read some stuff...apparently it would screw up the ifos |
| 02:07.43 | mhall | bintut: the freqd, is not so useful |
| 02:07.49 | mhall | peteweez: xdvdshrink |
| 02:07.57 | bintut | hon: in your kernel option of your /boot/grub/menu.lst or /etc/lilo.conf - set vga=791 |
| 02:08.07 | mhall | peteweez: copies of DVD content on single-layer writable DVD |
| 02:08.07 | bintut | mhall: ok |
| 02:08.13 | Duelist | did something change with how the Debian mirrors are laid out recently? |
| 02:08.25 | Duelist | or did I screw up my sources.list and not realize it |
| 02:08.27 | mhall | peteweez: XDVDShrink is a project in BASH and Perl-Gtk2 that allows you to create fair-use archival copies of DVD content on single-layer writable DVDs. |
| 02:08.40 | mhall | peteweez: "fair-use archival copies" <-- lol! |
| 02:08.41 | peteweez | mhall: lemme check it out...I think that K9Copy is the only linux app that can do what I need, but for some DVDs it doesn't actually shrink it enough. |
| 02:08.53 | peteweez | mhall: right....fair use....what's fair? |
| 02:08.54 | peteweez | lol |
| 02:08.56 | mhall | peteweez: increase k9's safety factor if it has one |
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| 02:09.10 | hon | bintut: thanks. what are my options then? (or actually, what is the highest resolution I can get?) |
| 02:09.12 | bintut | next question, what is the equivalent of "chkconfig" of RPM based distros or "rc-update" of Gentoo in Debian? sorry, i'm new to debian.. :) |
| 02:09.28 | mhall | peteweez: xdvdshrink is based on 1337h4x0r windows app of the similar name |
| 02:09.49 | peteweez | mhall: unfortunately, k9 doesn't...it appears to use a fixed compression ration |
| 02:09.52 | peteweez | *ratio |
| 02:09.52 | mhall | bintut: the freqd basically did what the ondemand cpu driver did, before the ondemand driver was around |
| 02:09.59 | bintut | hon: vga=791 is equal to 1024x768 |
| 02:10.15 | mhall | peteweez: fuck if that's all that's wrong can't you just rebuild the debian source with the value changes |
| 02:10.23 | hon | hmm, is it possible to get 1280x1024? |
| 02:10.43 | peteweez | mhall: Yeah if I could find the one variable in several thousand lines of code! |
| 02:10.44 | enouf | bintut: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 02:10.47 | mhall | hon: not usually, these values are primitive VGA controller values, like what you'd fiddle with on a 286 |
| 02:10.51 | mhall | peteweez: fgrep -ir is your friend |
| 02:11.06 | bintut | hon: there is a documentation for the kernel options inside your /usr/src/linux directory if you compile it manually.. if not, kindly search for it either in http://www.kernel.org/ or google |
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| 02:11.20 | bintut | enouf: oh.. it's rcconf. thanks.. :) |
| 02:11.22 | peteweez | mhall: I'm no noob, but I'm no h4x0r either...I have no idea what the hell you're talking about |
| 02:11.25 | hon | I see. thanks a lot |
| 02:11.40 | mhall | peteweez: well, let me see if i can find the value |
| 02:11.46 | bintut | hon: no probs. :) |
| 02:11.50 | peteweez | oh fgrep is the file grep |
| 02:11.59 | peteweez | and I thought you were talking to me about VGA, not hon |
| 02:12.01 | peteweez | lol |
| 02:12.02 | enouf | bintut: yeah - sysv-rc-conf is more runlevel specific |
| 02:12.22 | mhall | peteweez: fgrep is fixed grep, it doesn't interpret the input as a regex |
| 02:12.38 | bintut | enouf: but debian is not particular with runlevels, right? |
| 02:12.41 | mhall | peteweez: there is some cli option that makes regular grep do the same crap but i can never remember it, i think it's -F |
| 02:12.54 | enouf | bintut: deafault is runlevel2 |
| 02:12.58 | mhall | peteweez: ya, -F, --fixed-strings |
| 02:13.07 | peteweez | mhall: OK |
| 02:13.30 | peteweez | mhall: but programmers name variables weird and unpredictable |
| 02:13.36 | bintut | enouf: different with RPM based distros.. thanks.. :) |
| 02:14.27 | bintut | ok guys, i have to go.. thanks for your help.. :) |
| 02:14.34 | bintut | thanks mhall and enouf.. :) |
| 02:14.37 | enouf | bintut : read /etc/inittab and see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
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| 02:15.15 | bintut | enouf: thanks.. |
| 02:15.17 | bintut | :) |
| 02:15.22 | bintut | bye bye for now.. :) |
| 02:15.23 | enouf | :-) |
| 02:15.46 | nvz | bah I should have set an alarm so I had more time to fuck off before going to work |
| 02:16.00 | Duelist | ok, anyone want to confirm that my sources.list is sane? I will paste to #flood if anyone is watching |
| 02:16.04 | peteweez | nvz: what time zone are you in? |
| 02:16.06 | mhall | peteweez: libk9copy/k9cellcopylist.cpp:239 |
| 02:16.14 | nvz | peteweez: EST |
| 02:16.21 | peteweez | mhall: whoa that was fast |
| 02:16.32 | peteweez | nvz: do you work the hoot-owl shift or something? |
| 02:16.38 | mhall | peteweez: the term used in k9copy is 'factor' as it turns out, which i found by fgrepping compress which revealed a code comment talking about adjusting the factor |
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| 02:16.41 | nvz | peteweez: yeah |
| 02:16.50 | mhall | peteweez: then, about three levels into the code, i got the function |
| 02:17.00 | peteweez | mhall: thanks a lot!! |
| 02:17.05 | mhall | peteweez: probably email the maintainer for some suggestions on what to try or see if they have irc |
| 02:17.09 | peteweez | mhall: lemme get the source |
| 02:17.15 | mhall | peteweez: then maybe make a couple tweaks and play around |
| 02:17.21 | mhall | !+source |
| 02:17.22 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
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| 02:17.36 | mhall | peteweez: as a reminder there's the source factoid ^^^^^ |
| 02:18.02 | peteweez | mhall: I've emailed the maintainer...k9 1.0.4 doesn't even work with keep original menus...only 1.0.3b...and he's french and doesn't speak great english |
| 02:18.14 | peteweez | so he's not a wonderful maintainer |
| 02:18.19 | peteweez | mhall: apparently so |
| 02:18.22 | mhall | peteweez: doh! lol |
| 02:18.47 | mhall | peteweez: this is what happens when you have 300,000 lines of java whose creators believe, and I quote, "java is self-documenting" |
| 02:19.01 | peteweez | mhall: wtf were the creators smoking? |
| 02:19.27 | mhall | peteweez: i think they are inhaling crazy large hits from the corporate arbitrary deadline bong |
| 02:19.36 | peteweez | mhall: no shit |
| 02:19.46 | peteweez | mhall: they need to give up the wacky tobaccy |
| 02:20.04 | peteweez | mhall: at least Java's easier to get the gist of than C. |
| 02:20.46 | peteweez | mhall: You know Bill Gates at one time thought that a PC would only ever need something like 16 MB of RAM...they're all on drugs. |
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| 02:20.57 | mhall | peteweez: not when you explicitly disclosed your non-expertise with java during the hiring process, and your expertise with posix c development |
| 02:20.57 | Coweater | 640kb |
| 02:21.15 | peteweez | mhall: that sucks |
| 02:21.28 | peteweez | coweater: 640 kb is what gates said? |
| 02:21.28 | mhall | i know C like the back of my hand, and the job didn't really include java devel when i signed up |
| 02:21.36 | mhall | peteweez: yes. 640. |
| 02:21.43 | peteweez | that's crazy man |
| 02:21.44 | mhall | peteweez: 10 times the amount in the commodore 64. |
| 02:21.51 | mhall | peteweez: nobody could ever need more. |
| 02:22.02 | peteweez | now they say for Vista u need 2 GB dual channel or something |
| 02:22.03 | mhall | peteweez: so the world is full of a lot of people named Mr. Nobody now, thanks to him |
| 02:22.34 | peteweez | Also isn't gates responsible for the partition limit of 4? |
| 02:23.19 | mhall | peteweez: i'm not sure but they at least have a few totally workable fixes for that |
| 02:23.31 | peteweez | yeah like logical partitions |
| 02:23.46 | mhall | peteweez: other thing is, linux supports non-PC disklabels |
| 02:23.55 | peteweez | but the fact remains that each separate OS needs a primary, not logical, partition |
| 02:24.13 | mhall | peteweez: so on anything which isn't a boot drive, you could use a solaris, bsd, etc. label |
| 02:24.13 | peteweez | mhall: true |
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| 02:24.13 | mhall | peteweez: not true, you can boot linux from logicals |
| 02:24.13 | Duelist | peteweez: Windows needs a primary partition. |
| 02:24.15 | Duelist | everything else can use a logical |
| 02:24.16 | peteweez | mhall: not wndow |
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| 02:24.21 | peteweez | can mac |
| 02:24.22 | peteweez | ? |
| 02:24.23 | mhall | peteweez: i used to boot nix from hda5 all the time |
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| 02:24.34 | mhall | peteweez: macs have a better label scheme, supports more partitions |
| 02:24.56 | mhall | peteweez: they use EFI labels, designed by intel, these have 128-bit guids and stuff |
| 02:25.02 | mhall | peteweez: much harder to run out aiui |
| 02:25.02 | Duelist | abrotman: so what do I need to change? |
| 02:25.06 | peteweez | Gate's crack shipments are larger than Jobs' shipments, I guess. |
| 02:25.22 | mhall | peteweez: apple's boot process follows 100% defined standards |
| 02:25.23 | abrotman | Duelist: do you have any pinning ? |
| 02:25.29 | mhall | peteweez: open firmware, efi, elf kernels |
| 02:25.34 | peteweez | wow |
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| 02:25.37 | mhall | peteweez: same stuff you'd use on an itanium |
| 02:25.55 | peteweez | You mean they use an opensource BIOS? |
| 02:25.55 | abrotman | too bad they charge too much for the hardware |
| 02:25.59 | mhall | peteweez: it made the linuxppc loader pretty easy code |
| 02:26.01 | peteweez | abrotman: no kidding |
| 02:26.05 | Duelist | abrotman: probably not |
| 02:26.16 | mhall | peteweez: they wrote their own closed code but the standard is open |
| 02:26.22 | abrotman | Duelist: not a big deal .. you're probably just running mostly unstable with a few items from experimental |
| 02:26.27 | peteweez | openstandards=good |
| 02:26.29 | hobophobe | Anyone happen to know if a db9 cable (m/f) functions the same as a db9 m/m or f/f if you add a null modem adapter, or if the adapter will change the pinouts? |
| 02:26.34 | mhall | peteweez: in the end, there's a perfectly good linux loader than can load all the mac operating systems |
| 02:26.48 | mhall | peteweez: so that's what matters, is you can code a good working crossplatform loader for mac |
| 02:27.00 | mhall | peteweez: once you have one of those you're pretty much set |
| 02:27.07 | Duelist | abrotman: problem is I'm getting a metric crapload of errors from aptitude now. |
| 02:27.17 | peteweez | I think Win32 is the only major non-posix operating system out there...win32 is really not standardized with the rest of the industry. |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | hobophobe: there's a cable change |
| 02:27.27 | Duelist | "couldn't stat source package list ..." etc |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | Duelist: so paste them |
| 02:27.28 | mhall | hobophobe: the null modem tweaks pins |
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| 02:27.51 | Max_- | 15 CDs for downloading Debian? |
| 02:27.51 | hobophobe | Okay, thanks. |
| 02:27.51 | mhall | hobophobe: i've become expert with this because i work on network switch consoles all the time and crimp my own cables |
| 02:27.53 | Duelist | and I feel dumb... how does one disable mouse in aptitude so one can paste from it? |
| 02:28.08 | mhall | hobophobe: if you can get supplies, your best bet is, they make these adapters from DB9 to RJ45 |
| 02:28.26 | abrotman | Duelist: eh .. ask someone that uses it :) |
| 02:28.32 | mhall | hobophobe: you can get some of these, and some CAT5 ethernet cables or RJ45 phone cables, and then make your own adapters |
| 02:28.38 | Duelist | I use aptitude for one feature. automatic dependency tracking |
| 02:28.42 | hobophobe | wow |
| 02:28.59 | mhall | hobophobe: once you have got a straight thru on the PC end, you wire up the other end to null on one adapter and straight thru on another |
| 02:29.05 | mhall | hobophobe: then you have everything you need |
| 02:29.18 | Duelist | aka the "automatically installed" marker |
| 02:29.21 | mhall | hobophobe: they also make different genders of the adapter so you can get every combo you want |
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| 02:29.54 | abrotman | Duelist: right ... |
| 02:29.59 | r_marvin | Duelist: try holding shift, works for me (tm) |
| 02:30.06 | mhall | hobophobe: i have a bunch of these stashed in my cube at work, and the pin arrangements photocopied on my cube wall |
| 02:31.20 | CaBiDe | anybody have experience with openswan and kernel 2.6 in sarge? |
| 02:31.49 | mhall | anyhow i need to go to the store and buy a new pinstriped suit |
| 02:31.50 | Duelist | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 02:31.57 | mhall | so i'll see you all later |
| 02:31.58 | Duelist | edited to fit on one IRC line. |
| 02:32.06 | Duelist | and like five others like it |
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| 02:32.08 | smo | hi |
| 02:32.30 | smo | anyone can help me with this message ( when using xgl and fglrx driver) apt-get install flightgear |
| 02:32.32 | enouf | hobophobe: see http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_RS232.html for some pinout info |
| 02:32.37 | smo | oula |
| 02:33.11 | smo | extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display |
| 02:35.14 | rockstar_ | Anyone ever seen the fglrx driver push the OpenGL screen to the left a bit? |
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| 02:35.54 | Max_- | How many CDs does the full Debian distribution needs??? |
| 02:36.18 | rockstar_ | Max_-, do netinst, then you only need a little disk... |
| 02:36.45 | Max_- | no I mean... there are like 15 .torrent files... that mean how many disks I need to burn? |
| 02:37.05 | rockstar_ | Just burn the first one. |
| 02:37.09 | hobophobe | hey how hard would it be to make a bootable cd with the netinstall images of several distros for a kind of 'swiss army knife' for net install of all sorts of linux? |
| 02:37.23 | pickcoder | gah.. I'm having a problem getting apt to cache a new version and description of a local package |
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| 02:37.43 | pickcoder | I've removed both cache .bin files and re-ran apt-get udpate |
| 02:38.04 | pickcoder | it still shows an ancient package version I was testing |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | is it on hold? |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 02:40.49 | pickcoder | it's a private repos I'm testing |
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| 02:42.21 | pickcoder | apt-cache policy shows the old version |
| 02:42.49 | CaBiDe | nobody uses openswan? my tunnel is estabilished, but i can't traffic packet in :( |
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| 02:43.12 | abrotman | pickcoder: are you sure apt-get is getting a new Packages file ? |
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| 02:43.41 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 02:44.31 | conwell | i have installed vncserver and xvncviewer via apt but I don't find them in the kde menu. are they only to be run from the shell? |
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| 02:45.56 | abrotman | is menu and menu-xdg installed ? |
| 02:46.13 | pickcoder | abrotman: I have no idea |
| 02:46.39 | pickcoder | abrotman: I can check my apache logs, but is there an easier way to check it in apt? |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | probably with ls -l :) |
| 02:47.14 | pickcoder | it's in the cache .bin file though |
| 02:47.21 | pickcoder | the package info is |
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| 02:48.07 | pickcoder | oh.. you mean the lists |
| 02:48.08 | abrotman | ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 02:48.12 | pickcoder | yeah it's null |
| 02:48.13 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | seems bad to me |
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| 02:48.26 | pickcoder | I've removed it several times |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | shouldn't be null |
| 02:49.03 | pickcoder | obviously... <g> |
| 02:49.12 | pickcoder | I used scanpackages to build it |
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| 02:50.19 | conwell | nobody uses vnc here? |
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| 02:52.29 | conwell | eh? |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | is menu and menu-xdg installed ? |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | conwell: they probably don't show up under normal KDE stuff .. check a Debian menu if there is one .. make sure menu and menu-xdg(if you're on etch/sid) is installed |
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| 02:54.00 | conwell | sorry, i thought that was meant for pickcoder when you first asked it. menu should be in. all other stuff i installed appears. |
| 02:54.41 | conwell | i believe i have checked the debian menu. let me try again. |
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| 02:54.56 | abrotman | conwell: are you on etch/sid ? |
| 02:55.04 | conwell | etch |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | conwell: is menu-xdg installed too? |
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| 02:55.37 | conwell | got to check. must admit this is the first time i heard of it. |
| 02:56.10 | conwell | menu-xdg is in. |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | you can try running update-menus |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | it's possible vnc doesn't have a menu item .. |
| 02:57.07 | nvz | which vnc |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | the vnc! |
| 02:57.40 | nvz | Debian>Apps>Net>xvncviewer,x0rfbserver |
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| 02:57.46 | conwell | ok, xvncviewer is in the debian menu but not vncserver. |
| 02:57.55 | nvz | of course its not |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | oh .. i doubt vncserver is there at all |
| 02:57.58 | Firewall` | whats the command to reset the firewall? |
| 02:58.02 | nvz | there is no gui for it |
| 02:58.03 | Firewall` | to defaults |
| 02:58.23 | nvz | x0rfbserv is for current display in the rfb package |
| 02:58.47 | jetscreamer | lokkit --disabled -q |
| 02:59.01 | jetscreamer | of course, that's off |
| 02:59.30 | ericP | Q about handling packages in a bad state: uim-gtk2.0 hangs when i remove or install it |
| 02:59.39 | ericP | ... leaving me in a bad state |
| 02:59.40 | pickcoder | abrotman: E: Problem parsing dependency Depends |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | yeah .. see! |
| 02:59.51 | jetscreamer | maybe some --force-something magic |
| 02:59.59 | pickcoder | abrotman: I didn't list any dependencies in the file |
| 03:00.00 | jetscreamer | man dpkg --force-help |
| 03:00.11 | abrotman | maybe you have to ? |
| 03:00.17 | conwell | nvz: is rfb required for debian's vnc? |
| 03:00.50 | ericP | jetscreamer, aha, dpkg was able remove it. was just apt-get that was thinking to hard and creating probs |
| 03:01.03 | pickcoder | abrotman: there aren't any dependencies |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | leave it blank ? |
| 03:01.15 | pickcoder | abrotman: I did that |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | is there a (null) thing you can use instead ? |
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| 03:01.42 | pickcoder | abrotman: I have no idea. I didn't think that the packages control file changed |
| 03:02.03 | pickcoder | gah |
| 03:02.11 | ericP | jetscreamer, oh dear, it appears that apt-get can't remove anything anymore. user panic, time for bed |
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| 03:02.18 | lowlevel | ah.. Dick Pick. |
| 03:02.26 | lowlevel | hows it goin man |
| 03:02.27 | lowlevel | :) |
| 03:02.30 | jetscreamer | dselect > * ericP |
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| 03:03.07 | pickcoder | lowlevel: if he anwsers, be afraid |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you lie! |
| 03:03.25 | lowlevel | pick: yeah I think he died didn't he? |
| 03:03.37 | conwell | is it possible to check out vnc with one host? |
| 03:03.48 | pickcoder | lowlevel: a while back |
| 03:04.04 | lowlevel | thats too bad |
| 03:04.09 | jetscreamer | craptitud is your poison? |
| 03:04.15 | ericP | jetscreamer, i didn't understand the "dselect > *" (and only marginally understand dselect; i use aptitude) |
| 03:04.24 | jetscreamer | ericP: np] |
| 03:04.36 | jetscreamer | dselect is just better than *.* |
| 03:04.40 | jetscreamer | aka all |
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| 03:05.00 | jetscreamer | abrotman knows, just ask him... |
| 03:05.18 | abrotman | eh .. use tasksel like a real man |
| 03:05.23 | jetscreamer | ericP: keep in mind there's only a couple ppl that i know of who believe as i do |
| 03:05.50 | peterS | jetscreamer: you mean you utter empty philosophy instead of holding actual conversations? |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | i stopped using dselect when i found out i didn't have to :) |
| 03:06.00 | hardbop210 | can anyone recommend a lean, stable image browser? (using flux, no gnome/kde) |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | eog |
| 03:06.12 | abrotman | though ... |
| 03:06.17 | abrotman | !depends eog sarge |
| 03:06.18 | ericP | jetscreamer, well, i'm happy to try it, though i think that i'm just screwed until uim-anthy is fixed |
| 03:06.20 | jetscreamer | no i utter empty anti-philosophy, sprinkled with tidbits of reality |
| 03:06.21 | dpkg | eog: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libexif10, libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.3.6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.7), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.4), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), ... |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | that's a lot of depends |
| 03:06.37 | abrotman | the ... scares me .. |
| 03:06.49 | peterS | hardbop210: I'd use 'feh' |
| 03:06.50 | jetscreamer | it's gnome |
| 03:06.54 | litage | hi guys. in this openoffice screenshot: https://www.voxpak.com/temp/OOo_bullet_spacing.png why is there less space between the two "asdf" lines than between the "asdf" and "qwerty"? how set one spacing size? |
| 03:06.59 | jetscreamer | how about pornview |
| 03:07.08 | peterS | haven't tried pornview |
| 03:07.20 | jetscreamer | me neither but i like the name |
| 03:07.27 | hardbop210 | peterS: can feh browse? I've got, like, 100 pics, and they are all named dsmxxxx |
| 03:07.34 | jetscreamer | i tired some kde thing yesterday |
| 03:07.35 | hardbop210 | pornview |
| 03:07.36 | jetscreamer | it had a cow |
| 03:07.41 | ericP | ARG, i can't delete it (uim-anthy) without installing it and of course i can't install it 'cause it's bork. 4TF is up with having to finish installing it in order to delete it? |
| 03:07.42 | hardbop210 | heh... |
| 03:07.43 | jetscreamer | !info pornview |
| 03:07.51 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 230 kB, Installed size: 668 kB |
| 03:07.54 | peterS | hardbop210: its interface is pretty limited. eog does nice thumbnail business but it pulls in all 5600 gnome libraries |
| 03:08.19 | hardbop210 | peterS: lol, yea, I'll pass on eog |
| 03:08.21 | abrotman | yeah ... but it does work :) |
| 03:08.38 | abrotman | eog is fast .. and has features .. just depends on gnome crap for some reason |
| 03:08.40 | hardbop210 | I tried xfi image viewer(?) and it kept crashing on me |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | what about xfig ? :) |
| 03:08.57 | hardbop210 | is it pron or porn? |
| 03:09.05 | peterS | jetscreamer: apt, unlike you and me, does not have the imagination to correct your misspelling |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | doh .. wrong thing |
| 03:09.19 | ericP | i guess my prob goes back to libuim{1,3} fighting over territory |
| 03:09.19 | peterS | hardbop210: you should be able to find the correct one by trying both names |
| 03:09.25 | fluvvell | litage: the extra space comes at the end of a paragraph |
| 03:09.35 | hardbop210 | good point...sorry, was talking w/out thinking :) |
| 03:10.20 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 03:10.24 | jetscreamer | looks good |
| 03:10.28 | peterS | hardbop210: anyway, feh _does_ have a --thumbnails switch, I just haven't tried it |
| 03:10.35 | jetscreamer | heh... the icon |
| 03:11.23 | jetscreamer | hey seriously |
| 03:11.26 | jetscreamer | you might like it |
| 03:11.36 | hardbop210 | jetscreamer: installing it now |
| 03:11.42 | abrotman | eog! |
| 03:12.16 | ericP | uim-anthy uninstall calls /usr/bin/uim-module-manager which can't open a library function which means i'm caught in this damned loop no how hard i try to force stuff |
| 03:12.18 | jetscreamer | shit it loaded /usr/share/pixmaps quick as hell as thumbnails |
| 03:12.58 | jetscreamer | damn all my pron is on my other box.. :) |
| 03:13.01 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 03:13.14 | jetscreamer | i keep it on my keychain usb stick |
| 03:13.20 | abrotman | not so fast with actual pictures |
| 03:13.25 | jetscreamer | never can tell when the urge might strike |
| 03:13.32 | litage | fluvvell: how can i make the spacing the same between all of the lines? |
| 03:13.34 | jetscreamer | i don't have any actual pictures |
| 03:13.36 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 03:13.42 | hardbop210 | jetscreamer: not too bad, made fast work of my 100+ family pics |
| 03:13.45 | jetscreamer | least not here |
| 03:13.47 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 03:14.02 | abrotman | eh .. eog is better IMO |
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| 03:14.03 | hardbop210 | seems to be just what I was looking for, thanks everyone |
| 03:14.17 | fluvvell | litage: if you're using bullet points, then fix the spacing in the bullets menu |
| 03:14.18 | peterS | hardbop210: so you went with the Image Viewer With The Honest Name, eh? |
| 03:14.47 | ericP | is there a way to get dpkg to *not* run the prerm script? |
| 03:14.48 | jetscreamer | hey pron watchers want their pron FAST |
| 03:14.53 | pickcoder | abrotman: Depends: dpkg |
| 03:15.00 | abrotman | good plan :) |
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| 03:15.02 | abrotman | or libc6 :) |
| 03:15.16 | peterS | ericP: not really but you could 'cd /var/lib/dpkg/info' and rename the foo.prerm to something harmless |
| 03:15.28 | pickcoder | btw, I forgot to rebuild the deb before running scanpackages.. long 3 weeks for me |
| 03:15.29 | peterS | if a prerm doesn't exist, it won't be run |
| 03:15.35 | hardbop210 | peterS: well, yes...fortunately, the wife won't see it HOPEFULLY :) |
| 03:15.40 | ericP | peterS, aha! tx kindly, or just comment out the offending line |
| 03:16.03 | litage | fluvvell: in "Format > Bullets and Numbering", there's no mention of vertical spacing |
| 03:16.12 | peterS | ericP: yeah, every now and then it's helpful to know the location of /var/lib/dpkg/info for reasons like this |
| 03:16.40 | jetscreamer | you can space em in that 'other os's' programs ... |
| 03:16.53 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 03:17.27 | jetscreamer | oo not ready for primetime yet? |
| 03:17.33 | jetscreamer | i tried it once |
| 03:17.41 | jetscreamer | a while back |
| 03:17.45 | jetscreamer | pre-2.0 i think |
| 03:17.50 | jetscreamer | or 2.0.0 |
| 03:18.57 | Max_- | where do you go when you just want to browse the packages [list] from the 15 CDs without downloading them all? |
| 03:19.26 | wooya510 | depense NSLOOKUP? |
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| 03:20.00 | Duelist | jetscreamer: OpenOffice? 2.0.3 is stable for me |
| 03:20.27 | jetscreamer | not the stable, but the apparent quality of the format/docs.... |
| 03:20.33 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 03:20.33 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 03:20.35 | jetscreamer | *stability |
| 03:20.38 | dondelelcaro | Max_-: ^^^ |
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| 03:20.59 | jetscreamer | my kids bitched about it :) |
| 03:21.03 | Duelist | jetscreamer: beats the heck out of 1.1.x |
| 03:21.05 | Duelist | to me |
| 03:21.24 | Duelist | the only problems I had were converting old .sx? documents to .od? format |
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| 03:22.01 | wooya510 | I wanna protect NSLOOKUP |
| 03:22.02 | jetscreamer | i let it get installed on a couple boxes recently but never looked at it |
| 03:22.15 | abrotman | protect it .. from what? |
| 03:22.18 | Duelist | wooya510: ... "protect NSLOOKUP"?! |
| 03:22.19 | Max_- | Thanks dondelelcaro! |
| 03:22.22 | jetscreamer | from deprecation |
| 03:22.22 | Duelist | what the hell do you mean there? |
| 03:22.46 | jetscreamer | iirc it's being osoleted or so it says in some msg |
| 03:22.52 | jetscreamer | obsoleted |
| 03:22.58 | abrotman | yeah .. but that's not the point |
| 03:23.08 | jetscreamer | wel that's my guess what he meant |
| 03:23.15 | wooya510 | Duelist: For example, nslookup domain name |
| 03:23.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:23.27 | jetscreamer | he doesn't wanna be lookupable |
| 03:23.30 | abrotman | wooya510: protect it FROM WHAT? |
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| 03:23.38 | wooya510 | client |
| 03:23.43 | abrotman | wooya510: you don't want people using it ? |
| 03:23.49 | jetscreamer | from ppl seeking revenge i reckon |
| 03:23.50 | CompWizrd | abrotman: clearly from packest with the evil bit set... |
| 03:24.02 | wooya510 | abrotman: yes |
| 03:24.06 | ericP | peterS, commenting (well, echo'ing) out that line in the postrm did the trick. tx for the pointer |
| 03:24.09 | abrotman | wooya510: FTLOG .. why ? |
| 03:24.15 | peterS | ericP: np |
| 03:24.16 | jetscreamer | uninstall it |
| 03:24.24 | jetscreamer | or the providing package |
| 03:24.28 | jetscreamer | chmod -x it |
| 03:24.36 | jetscreamer | chown it |
| 03:24.36 | abrotman | wooya510: why is it a bad thing for people to use ? |
| 03:24.57 | jetscreamer | use brain not mouth/fingers |
| 03:24.59 | wooya510 | abrotman: for security..... |
| 03:25.10 | abrotman | security ... are you insane? |
| 03:25.16 | CompWizrd | there's a lot of other ways to lookup the ip of a domain.. ping comes to mind for one |
| 03:25.19 | CompWizrd | or dig |
| 03:25.21 | abrotman | why is knowing a hostname/IP bad ? |
| 03:25.39 | jetscreamer | he's psycho |
| 03:25.47 | abrotman | wooya510: your efforts are futile ... please give your root password to jetscreamer |
| 03:26.10 | jetscreamer | i have abrotman's to play with... |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | keep your hands to yourself! |
| 03:27.46 | peterS | see ya, abrotman |
| 03:27.58 | Dwonis | maybe removing execute permissions from nslookup isn't such a bad idea after all... http://homepages.tesco.net./~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/nslookup-flaws.html |
| 03:28.23 | Dwonis | also, apparently chmod [-+]x doesn't affect the world-execute bit |
| 03:28.24 | abrotman | dude .. i think he's trying to keep them from knowing IPs |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:28.40 | abrotman | but i don't want to know .. so i'm going to bed :) |
| 03:28.44 | pickcoder | l8r abrotman |
| 03:28.47 | Dwonis | abrotman: ciao |
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| 03:29.24 | Dwonis | wooya510: "for security", unqualified, is not a proper to the answer "why do you want to do that?" |
| 03:29.45 | Dwonis | s/to the answer/answer/ |
| 03:30.15 | Dwonis | wooya510: the DNS isn't designed to provide confidentiality. Don't even bother. |
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| 03:30.41 | unfo | Hi all. About 1.5 months ago, I accidentally upgraded from testing to a mixture of testing/unstable. Around that time, sudo dpkg-reconfigure stopped asking me certain questions, like those about my monitor resolution. I am now stuck in 800x600. How can I fix this without editing my xorg.conf manually? |
| 03:31.27 | Dwonis | unfo: old versions of dpkg need you to specify some combination of "-s" and "-plow" |
| 03:31.36 | Dwonis | unfo: I mean, old versions of dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:31.38 | unfo | (debconf-show xserver-xorg shows the answers to the missing questions but DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer debconf dexconf does not.) |
| 03:31.41 | Dwonis | gah, I can't type today |
| 03:31.53 | unfo | Dwonis, what do you mean? |
| 03:31.55 | Pntkl | ? |
| 03:32.16 | xinming | hmm, anyone here would tell me how can I install CPAN modules using perl? hmm, What I mean is, which modules are required for installing CPAN modules, Now, I'll always get error while I'm installing from cpan |
| 03:32.21 | unfo | I tried low priority. |
| 03:32.21 | Dwonis | unfo: old versions of dpkg-reconfigure wouldn't ask you low-priority questions, or questions that have been asked before, I think |
| 03:32.52 | unfo | xinming, which modules do you need? |
| 03:33.11 | wooya510 | Dwonis: Thanks for your answer :) |
| 03:33.16 | xinming | unfo: perl -MCPAN -e 'install Bundle::CPAN' |
| 03:33.24 | unfo | xinming, which modules do you REALLY need? |
| 03:33.26 | unfo | :-) |
| 03:33.35 | Dwonis | wooya510: You're still going to try, aren't you? |
| 03:33.40 | xinming | unfo: many. :-) |
| 03:33.44 | unfo | name two |
| 03:33.49 | wooya510 | yes |
| 03:33.50 | jair | anyone here have been using apache2 under debian sarge stable? |
| 03:33.56 | Dwonis | wooya510; |
| 03:34.00 | xinming | I just wish to know how do I install them from perl -MCPAN instead of using apt-get |
| 03:34.08 | unfo | name one. |
| 03:34.09 | jair | I am having a problem making php pages work properly. |
| 03:34.14 | xinming | the problem now is, I'll always get build error. :-/ |
| 03:34.14 | Dwonis | wooya510: thought so. |
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| 03:34.45 | jair | when I try to go to the pages, it shows all the code in html of the page instead php parse the page?? |
| 03:35.00 | unfo | xinming, if you cannot tell me one of the modules you *really* need, i cannot help you. sorry and good luck. |
| 03:35.17 | xinming | I installed build-essentials, not works, |
| 03:35.33 | Dwonis | wooya510: you had better disable perl too, or people will be able to use Net::DNS. |
| 03:35.52 | jair | here is the example: http://192.168.1.10/apache2-default/contact.php I am trying to go here where the "/192.168.1.10/" is the ip of the apache server linux. |
| 03:35.52 | fluvvell | litage: right click the paragraph and check out space before and space after |
| 03:35.52 | xinming | unfo: I need to install Bundle::CPAN, If that was successful, then, I can install what I want myself. |
| 03:36.01 | unfo | xinming, if you cannot tell me one of the modules you *really* need, other than Bundle::CPAN, i cannot help you. |
| 03:36.14 | xinming | unfo: what I want to know is the dependencies which needs to be installed. |
| 03:36.16 | xinming | unfo: hmm, Ok, |
| 03:36.20 | xinming | a very simple example |
| 03:37.01 | Dwonis | wooya510: actually, if you switch to Mandriva, you'll find that it supports all sorts of ineffective and counter-productive settings in its higher and paranoid security levels |
| 03:37.04 | xinming | Digest::SHA |
| 03:37.21 | unfo | thanks. 1 sec. |
| 03:37.23 | Coweater | jair: install libapache2-mod-php4 (not sure if 5 is in stable) or php4-cgi, i know the module sets it correctly automatically, not sure abouth the cgi package |
| 03:37.47 | unfo | xinming, apt-get install libdigest-sha-perl |
| 03:38.06 | unfo | there may be other ways to do it, but if you do those ways, most people in #debian will not help you. |
| 03:38.19 | unfo | e.g. if you try to do it using CPAN |
| 03:38.37 | unfo | are some of your modules not in Apt? |
| 03:39.00 | jair | Coweater: the thing is that I think I installed that, I may comment out a line for the php I think I am not sure |
| 03:39.13 | jair | Coweater: let me check if I have that package installed. |
| 03:39.18 | unfo | all, and esp. Dwonis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -p low does not show the missing questions. |
| 03:39.36 | unfo | any clue why not? |
| 03:40.25 | Dwonis | unfo: Just a guess, but I think you might have to specify the options first: "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg" |
| 03:40.31 | unfo | remember: "debconf-show xserver-xorg" shows all variables including the missing variables but "DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer debconf dexconf" shows all variables except the missing ones.) |
| 03:40.36 | unfo | Dwonis, will try. |
| 03:41.20 | unfo | Dwonis, no, still didn't work. (I did: dpkg-reconfigure -p low xserver-xorg) |
| 03:41.39 | unfo | xinming, are you there? |
| 03:41.55 | Dwonis | unfo: with or without a space between -p and low? |
| 03:41.59 | unfo | with |
| 03:42.08 | unfo | i know it is working though. |
| 03:42.17 | Dwonis | unfo: oh, ok. |
| 03:42.17 | jetscreamer | try -phigh |
| 03:42.24 | unfo | -p high asks only one question, -p low asks many. |
| 03:42.28 | jetscreamer | read the .conf line 15 |
| 03:42.38 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 03:43.13 | Dwonis | jetscreamer: I used to work at a place that had software where the meaning of configuration files was determined by the line numbers in the file |
| 03:43.14 | jetscreamer | i know the damn thing is borked |
| 03:43.19 | jetscreamer | and hand edit works for me |
| 03:43.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:43.32 | unfo | I guess I will have to hand edit. :-( |
| 03:43.50 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:44.04 | jetscreamer | i thought it was -p -l -o -w ... -p low eh |
| 03:44.09 | jetscreamer | or high |
| 03:44.25 | unfo | but now I am more convinced it is necessary, so I will be more happy doing the hand editing. thank you jetscreamer and Dwonis. |
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| 03:44.38 | unfo | if that made any sense. :) |
| 03:44.54 | jetscreamer | i have multiple backups of xorg.conf if that makes any :) |
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| 03:45.10 | unfo | jetscreamer, hey, youre right, I have backups too |
| 03:45.15 | jetscreamer | more like uncleaned litter, but same effect |
| 03:45.26 | unfo | xinming, did you have any trouble finding all your needed modules in Apt? |
| 03:45.43 | unfo | xinming, also, what Perl application are you trying to run? it may itself be in apt |
| 03:46.02 | Max_- | So if I understand well, I can just load and burn the first CD, then there's a package manager that will let me load what I need? |
| 03:46.11 | Dwonis | unfo: yeah, I'm not all that familiar with X's debconf system. Until recently, I always just used an xorg.conf (or XF86Config-4 ...or XF86Config) that was generated by "X -configure" and then hand-customized. |
| 03:46.31 | unfo | Max_-, yes. |
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| 03:47.09 | Max_- | great |
| 03:47.20 | jair | Coweater: the package libapache2-mod-php4 is installed |
| 03:47.31 | Max_- | let get it then :) Think I'll love debian after working with slack for years :) |
| 03:47.31 | jair | Coweater: I think it is something on the http.conf file |
| 03:47.33 | n3oS7oRm | hello everyone |
| 03:47.39 | jair | apache2.config file maybe?? |
| 03:47.54 | n3oS7oRm | im new to debian and im having some issues with my 32" Syntax Monitor |
| 03:48.18 | n3oS7oRm | when i log into debian all i can read is WEL because the font is so huge |
| 03:48.23 | unfo | Max_-, if you're just choosing a distro now: You've made a good choice in picking Debian. It's more complicated than Ubuntu but the IRC channel denizens know far more, and in general debian is more geared to those in the know. |
| 03:48.53 | n3oS7oRm | ive tried changing xorg.conf |
| 03:49.08 | n3oS7oRm | and to no avail it doesnt change how the GUI displays |
| 03:49.09 | Max_- | unfo: I'm about to try kubuntu on my laptop and debian for a server... actually I had slack on both my laptop and another server |
| 03:49.18 | unfo | n3oS7oRm, hi, please put your entire question on one line. (by the way are you sure 32-inch is not a typo? :-) ) |
| 03:49.34 | Coweater | jair: you've restarted apache? |
| 03:50.09 | unfo | Max_-, strongly consider picking the same distro for both machines. there are small differences between the two. |
| 03:50.35 | xinming | unfo: the problem is, I need to install modules myself, I want to test the cvs version of the module. |
| 03:50.38 | unfo | Max_-, ubuntu is supposed to support hibernate out of the box FWIW. |
| 03:50.43 | unfo | xinming, use dh_make_perl |
| 03:51.02 | unfo | xinming, may I ask first: why do you want to test the modules? |
| 03:51.02 | n3oS7oRm | unfo: my GUI display for debian is way too big, I cant see what im typing because the display is showing strangely in my 32-inch syntax monitor its connected via a standard VGA cable please help |
| 03:51.08 | Max_- | unfo, the stand by thing would be great... |
| 03:51.16 | unfo | Max_-, dunno if it works. |
| 03:51.26 | unfo | n3oS7oRm, try Control-Alt-Num+ |
| 03:51.34 | Max_- | unfo, I'll try it for sure, I'm always on standby with the laptop.. |
| 03:51.41 | unfo | that's the + key at the extreme right edge of the keyboard. |
| 03:51.51 | unfo | Max_-, hibernate not standby. :-) |
| 03:52.19 | n3oS7oRm | doesnt do anything |
| 03:52.20 | Max_- | unfo, what's the difference? heh <:) |
| 03:52.50 | jair | Coweater: can I pm you so I can paste configurations? |
| 03:52.53 | unfo | Max_-, hibernate saves all RAM to disk and is easier to get working. standby keeps the RAM powered on. |
| 03:53.04 | jair | Coweater: I am sure that we will find out quickly why |
| 03:53.23 | xinming | unfo: I wish to customize the module |
| 03:53.28 | unfo | jair, sorry to intrude in your convo with Coweater but why not use a pastebot or channel #flood? |
| 03:53.31 | unfo | xinming, why? |
| 03:53.35 | Coweater | jair: i doubt it, i've never touched the configuration, the package install sets it up |
| 03:53.49 | n3oS7oRm | hrm.. |
| 03:53.49 | unfo | s/pastebot/pastebin |
| 03:53.53 | Max_- | unfo, oh!.. well I guess you don't really see the difference... I mean that the data be on RAM or HDD, only the batt will feel it, no? |
| 03:53.56 | jair | unfo: we may thanks |
| 03:54.09 | jair | Coweater: ok I did some changes in the configuration |
| 03:54.17 | jair | let me paste what I did |
| 03:54.18 | xinming | unfo: for suiting my needs. Ok, stop, I need to work |
| 03:54.34 | jair | Coweater: and by the way I did restart apache2 |
| 03:54.44 | unfo | n3oS7oRm, sorry, I am busy tonight and can't help with X config-related stuff. try again later or try the special server irc.debian.org |
| 03:55.05 | unfo | orafu, better yet, try your local Linux User Group. May I ask: where do you live? |
| 03:55.18 | unfo | n3oS7oRm, s/orafu/or |
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| 03:55.35 | unfo | xinming, you need dh_make_perl. |
| 03:55.39 | unfo | xinming, apt-get install debhelper |
| 03:55.41 | jair | Coweater: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eMAOlP40.html here is the output of checking if is installed or not. |
| 03:56.13 | unfo | xinming, apt-get install dh-make-perl |
| 03:56.15 | jair | Coweater: I will paste the config file?? which one is the config file on version 2? I am completely new to this version |
| 03:56.28 | jair | Coweater: I am very familiar with the 1.3.33 |
| 03:56.30 | unfo | xinming, man dh-make-perl |
| 03:56.32 | xinming | E: Couldn't find package db-make-perl |
| 03:56.37 | unfo | that's dH |
| 03:56.44 | xinming | oops, typo |
| 03:56.51 | unfo | thats ok :-) |
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| 03:57.11 | n3oS7oRm | wow a whole server |
| 03:57.15 | unfo | Max_-, hibernate is easier. |
| 03:57.19 | unfo | n3oS7oRm, correct. |
| 03:57.30 | jair | if in apache 1.3.33 the config file is: "/etc/apache/http.conf" where is te one for apache2? |
| 03:57.41 | Max_- | unfo, okay, well thanks for the informations, busy night! |
| 03:57.43 | unfo | n3oS7oRm, but, can I ask? where do you live? |
| 03:57.58 | unfo | jair, /etc/apache2 |
| 03:58.11 | jair | and also in apache 1.3.33 the index.html or index.php were located in the directory: "/var/www" where is located in the apache2? |
| 03:58.12 | n3oS7oRm | massachusetts |
| 03:58.16 | jair | unfo: thank you |
| 03:58.37 | unfo | n3oS7oRm, do a web search for the following: massachusetts linux user group |
| 03:58.41 | jcole | how does one enforce password policies in debian? our unix boxes use a program called pwplus |
| 03:59.17 | xinming | unfo: where do I find the config file for the CPAN config in debian? It's not located in /usr/lib/perl /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl /usr/share/perl5 |
| 03:59.28 | unfo | xinming, do not use CPAN. :-) |
| 03:59.34 | jair | unfo: but why this page shows up only the html code :( http://192.168.1.10/apache2-default/contact.php |
| 03:59.36 | unfo | is dh-make-perl installed? |
| 03:59.42 | unfo | jair, dunno, I prefer apache 1.3 |
| 03:59.47 | jcole | apt-cache search password policy |
| 03:59.49 | xinming | unfo: yes, I did |
| 03:59.51 | jcole | uh |
| 03:59.53 | jcole | oops! |
| 03:59.55 | jair | unfo: but apache 1.3 can not be installed anymore |
| 03:59.57 | jair | :( |
| 04:00.03 | unfo | jair, why not? |
| 04:00.10 | jair | at least I tryied in debian and did not go through |
| 04:00.20 | jair | unfo: I guess they are getting rid of it |
| 04:00.26 | jcole | "did not go through" LOL |
| 04:00.31 | unfo | jair, any error message? |
| 04:00.35 | jcole | wrong number |
| 04:00.47 | unfo | xinming, download the module you like from CVS |
| 04:00.57 | unfo | then change to the directory, then type: dh-make-perl |
| 04:00.59 | unfo | does it work? |
| 04:01.09 | jair | jcole: YOU heard me, want to be a smart@#$ |
| 04:01.38 | unfo | (jair, jcole is a true debian expert.) |
| 04:01.43 | jair | unfo: it say only that apt-get install could not find where to get it or download it from |
| 04:01.57 | unfo | jair, if you do not post the exact message, it's hard to help. |
| 04:01.58 | pickcoder | xinming: your perl install is b0rked |
| 04:02.34 | pickcoder | xinming: if a CPAN shell doesn't work then stuff is missing |
| 04:02.34 | jair | unfo: sorry but I am using in this server apache2 :( |
| 04:02.39 | jair | unfo: thank you anyway |
| 04:03.14 | unfo | jair, ok, np, I would re-ask your question to the whole channel then. if no luck try channel #web or ##linux or #php |
| 04:04.05 | unfo | here is the best place. #web or ##linux are 2nd. |
| 04:04.23 | jair | unfo: I am trying on apache ;) |
| 04:04.34 | unfo | jair, i hope they can help you. |
| 04:04.39 | jcole | jair: i'm being a smart ass, yes. sorry if it offended you o_O |
| 04:04.52 | jcole | jair: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:04.57 | unfo | jcole++ |
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| 04:06.15 | jcole | jair: are you trying to install apache 1.3? |
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| 04:06.39 | xinming | pickcoder: hmm, perl -MCPAN -e 'shell' works, the problem is. every package I try to install using perl -MCPAN -e 'install XXX:YYY' fails. |
| 04:06.43 | unfo | jcole, he wants to get his apache2+php combination working. |
| 04:06.49 | jcole | ah |
| 04:06.54 | xinming | unfo: I've done it already |
| 04:07.02 | unfo | xinming, done what? |
| 04:07.29 | xinming | download the cvs(svn) version |
| 04:07.39 | unfo | jcole, Cow eater can tell you more. |
| 04:07.58 | unfo | xinming, did you cd to the directory and run dh-make-perl? did it work? |
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| 04:08.01 | jcole | unfo: why apache 1.3? |
| 04:08.08 | unfo | jcole, apache2. |
| 04:08.31 | jcole | jair: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 04:08.40 | unfo | 1.3 was my idea. I know 1.3 perhaps better than 1.3. |
| 04:08.46 | unfo | jcole, he tried that already. |
| 04:09.05 | jcole | pastebin of output? |
| 04:09.14 | unfo | <jair> Coweater: the package libapache2-mod-php4 is installed |
| 04:09.14 | unfo | <jair> Coweater: I think it is something on the http.conf file |
| 04:09.33 | jair | jcole: the package is installed already |
| 04:09.46 | jair | I will be publishing the web page I am parsing on a minute |
| 04:10.02 | pickcoder | xinming: what error are you seeing |
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| 04:11.28 | unfo | xinming, jair, good luck. if you cannot find answers here, ask on the mailing lists. good night. |
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| 04:11.42 | jcole | jair: a2enmod php4 |
| 04:12.08 | jcole | jair: that'll enable php4 in your apache2 config |
| 04:12.16 | jcole | jair: did you do that already? |
| 04:13.05 | jair | jcole: let me check |
| 04:13.15 | jair | jcole: try this please : http://67.37.182.95/ |
| 04:13.25 | jair | that is pointing to my apache2 server |
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| 04:14.47 | jcole | jair: do an "apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 php4" just to make sure all is there |
| 04:15.17 | jair | jcole: did you acces the site? |
| 04:15.22 | jair | jcole: http://67.37.182.95/? |
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| 04:16.42 | jair | jcole: please see this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AkBixS45.html |
| 04:16.45 | jcole | jair: $ telnet 67.37.182.95 80 |
| 04:16.46 | jcole | jair: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 04:17.08 | jcole | jair: i can ping the server, but i don't think apache is running |
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| 04:20.11 | jair | jcole: let me try run apache |
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| 04:27.55 | radone | please, exist under linux any sound card that works? Has anyone any experience? I need just only recording and playing... |
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| 04:29.13 | apfel | Can I run a program like skype on a remote host and the GUI on my machine? |
| 04:29.36 | Agrajag- | you can, but it wont be much use since it'll be using the remote hosts soundcard |
| 04:30.12 | apfel | any idea to get around this? |
| 04:30.29 | Agrajag- | you can't |
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| 04:31.30 | vxd- | my keyboard and mouse freeze.. |
| 04:31.35 | vxd- | help me |
| 04:32.25 | radone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:32.58 | vxd- | wait..let me see |
| 04:33.21 | vxd- | it freeze during the login window |
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| 04:36.27 | m1ke_l | i install linux-headers via apt, but then deleted that dir |
| 04:36.40 | m1ke_l | i need to install them again, but apt thinks it is already |
| 04:36.50 | m1ke_l | how can i force it to install, or tell apt it isn't? |
| 04:37.40 | Ruede | -f |
| 04:37.44 | m1ke_l | thanks |
| 04:37.51 | Ruede | but i am not sure ;) |
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| 04:39.51 | vchrizz | could someone help me with 'qc-usb'? compiled the module and loaded it, but cant access the cam via /dev/video0 ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/8HX9aa59.html seems ok i would say? |
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| 04:40.40 | vchrizz | sorry wrong link... see here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZXgMCB40.html |
| 04:40.43 | OmnipotentEntity | stupid question, which vim package do I have to install to get syntax highlighting? |
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| 04:41.10 | OmnipotentEntity | Preferrably without having to install vim-full |
| 04:41.25 | OmnipotentEntity | (sarge) |
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| 04:41.52 | mhall | woohoo i'm rollin fuckin mafia style, i scored 3 suits plus shirts belts and ties for 600 incl. tax |
| 04:41.57 | Weedy_lappy^2 | OmnipotentEntity, vim-full |
| 04:41.57 | apfel | Or is there some way that skype doesn't send its data directly to the internet but first to another host (in my local network)? |
| 04:42.12 | mhall | that will pay for itself if it leads to me banging... 1 chick i'd say |
| 04:42.20 | mhall | not bad ROI |
| 04:42.24 | Guerin | mhall: first time for everything |
| 04:42.32 | Weedy_lappy^2 | rotfl |
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| 04:43.35 | OmnipotentEntity | Weedy_lappy^2, there isn't a gui on this box, I'm wondering why I need to install gnome libraries like gtk. Do you know of another way? |
| 04:43.55 | Weedy_lappy^2 | OmnipotentEntity, .... wth is wrong with debian |
| 04:44.18 | Weedy_lappy^2 | OmnipotentEntity, are you roping in gvim some how? |
| 04:44.31 | mynullvoid | anyone know where can I ask this question? |
| 04:44.41 | OmnipotentEntity | Not that I can see. |
| 04:44.48 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: if vim doesn't have a -nox package then it's more braindead than I thought |
| 04:46.14 | OmnipotentEntity | All I see are: vim vim-full vim-latexsuite vim-python vim-scripts vim-tty vimhelp-fr |
| 04:46.14 | OmnipotentEntity | vim-common vim-gnome vim-lesstif vim-rt vim-tcl vim-vimoutliner vimoutliner |
| 04:46.14 | OmnipotentEntity | vim-doc vim-gtk vim-perl vim-ruby vim-tiny vimacs vimpart |
| 04:46.27 | OmnipotentEntity | Sorry about the mini-flood. |
| 04:46.46 | Weedy_lappy^2 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:46.46 | Weedy_lappy^2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:50.20 | pickcoder | Weedy_lappy^2: are you running stable? |
| 04:50.41 | Guerin | pickcoder: i can answer that. No, he isn't.\ |
| 04:51.00 | Guerin | pickcoder: he's a gentoobie, so he thinks running anything other than unstable+experimental is unleet |
| 04:51.12 | Guerin | but he's actually incapable of debreaking it |
| 04:51.13 | Weedy_lappy^2 | pickcoder, yeah |
| 04:51.27 | Guerin | because he can't just cuptnpaste an apt line from a howto |
| 04:51.31 | Guerin | Weedy_lappy^2: you lie. |
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| 04:51.45 | pickcoder | Weedy_lappy^2: cat /proc/version |
| 04:52.00 | Weedy_lappy^2 | u15155951:~# cat /proc/version |
| 04:52.00 | Weedy_lappy^2 | Linux version 2.6.17.5-060712a (root@buildd-i386) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Sat Jul 15 18:50:29 CEST 2006 |
| 04:52.00 | Weedy_lappy^2 | u15155951:~# |
| 04:52.15 | OmnipotentEntity | That's definately not stable. |
| 04:52.22 | Weedy_lappy^2 | meh |
| 04:52.25 | Guerin | Weedy_lappy^2: you lose. |
| 04:52.28 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:52.33 | OmnipotentEntity | Hell, your kernel is newer than my unstable box. |
| 04:52.33 | Weedy_lappy^2 | datacenter installed version |
| 04:52.51 | pickcoder | I'd question a major dep break if it was Sarge |
| 04:53.21 | Guerin | a major dep break (like a missing version of perl) simply wouldn't happen in stable |
| 04:53.39 | OmnipotentEntity | pickcoder, do you know the minimal packages I need to get syntax highlighting under vim under sarge? |
| 04:54.15 | pickcoder | I don't use highlighting |
| 04:54.27 | Guerin | i don't use vi |
| 04:54.37 | pickcoder | but I imagine the answer may be on Goolge somewhere |
| 04:54.53 | Guerin | i think highlighting should be accessible by default in vim |
| 04:55.02 | pickcoder | Google... Goolge... Gloogle |
| 04:55.05 | Guerin | you probably just need to do :syntax on; or something |
| 04:55.12 | OmnipotentEntity | I did that. |
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| 04:55.33 | Guerin | but hell, i'd recommend just using a proper editor, such as emacs |
| 04:55.34 | OmnipotentEntity | But let me double-check to make sure it's not set to off in the systemwide vimrc. |
| 04:55.40 | Weedy_lappy^2 | OmnipotentEntity, works here |
| 04:55.54 | OmnipotentEntity | Works on my unstable box too. |
| 04:55.55 | Weedy_lappy^2 | Guerin, thats so very close to trolling |
| 04:56.12 | Guerin | Weedy_lappy^2: nope. |
| 04:56.19 | Weedy_lappy^2 | i can't stand emacs |
| 04:56.31 | OmnipotentEntity | I just started admining another box that I inherited from someone else. |
| 04:56.32 | CHodapp | AAAAAAAAUGH |
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| 04:56.36 | Guerin | more's the pity |
| 04:56.41 | OmnipotentEntity | So I'd like to leave as small a footprint as possible. |
| 04:56.45 | CHodapp | Oh...sorry... I thought I heard a holy war going on |
| 04:57.15 | Guerin | CHodapp: no, jthat was just some vidiots drooling |
| 04:57.40 | Weedy_lappy^2 | i'm wondering if i should build vim 7 from source or play with debs |
| 04:57.58 | Weedy_lappy^2 | on the one hand vim7 is god, on the other im really lazy |
| 04:58.03 | CHodapp | OpenOffice Writer FTW |
| 04:58.28 | OmnipotentEntity | Weedy_lappy^2, save your effort for building a good vimrc. |
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| 04:59.01 | Weedy_lappy^2 | OmnipotentEntity, have one |
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| 04:59.26 | OmnipotentEntity | That has specialize code completion and customized branching undo commands? |
| 04:59.44 | Weedy_lappy^2 | OmnipotentEntity, ok maybe not |
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| 05:00.44 | Weedy_lappy^2 | OmnipotentEntity, pastebin! |
| 05:01.11 | OmnipotentEntity | one sec. It's on my unstable box. |
| 05:01.48 | OmnipotentEntity | ... it's off. |
| 05:02.15 | Weedy_lappy^2 | pwnt |
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| 05:03.12 | Weedy_lappy^2 | even my -* gentoo box never shuts down |
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| 05:04.02 | streuner_ | heh |
| 05:04.11 | iter | ^x^c |
| 05:04.16 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite Weedy_lappy^2 |
| 05:04.23 | iter | and screw emacs anyway |
| 05:04.31 | iter | it's like running |
| 05:04.32 | OmnipotentEntity | I had a power outage earlier today. |
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| 05:04.46 | iter | they made me do it as punishment, now I don't like it |
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| 05:05.06 | iter | vi/vim is great for 99.99% administration stuff |
| 05:05.08 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, lol, almost everytime i do a recompile for the sake of ricing it does run faster |
| 05:05.57 | iter | Weedy_lappy^2: if you like speed (and a lot of compiling) why not go the bsd route? |
| 05:06.12 | iter | it'll run everything linux does |
| 05:06.14 | iter | faster |
| 05:06.29 | streuner_ | its amazing how somebody think he could compile something better than a developer who spent years on such issues :-) |
| 05:07.03 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, i never said i could do it better |
| 05:07.19 | cahoot | streuner_: you never compile? |
| 05:07.31 | Weedy_lappy^2 | i just happen to improve my benchmarks when i try |
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| 05:07.36 | streuner_ | cahoot: i use debian ;-) |
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| 05:08.08 | streuner_ | well, you imply this indirect |
| 05:08.13 | iter | ain't nothing wrong with ./configure && make && make install |
| 05:08.20 | iter | sheesh |
| 05:08.26 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, the defaults a package mantainer uses does not make them the defaults for everyone |
| 05:09.00 | Weedy_lappy^2 | i use gentoo because i like the choice, if i feel like breaking something i will break it |
| 05:09.10 | OmnipotentEntity | Anyway, I got this when I forced my version of vimrc: |
| 05:09.29 | OmnipotentEntity | and then tried manually turning on syntax highlighting |
| 05:09.33 | OmnipotentEntity | Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/syntax.vim: |
| 05:09.33 | OmnipotentEntity | line 42: |
| 05:09.33 | OmnipotentEntity | E216: No such group or event: filetypedetect BufRead |
| 05:09.33 | OmnipotentEntity | Hit ENTER or type command to continue |
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| 05:09.43 | iter | like whoa |
| 05:09.52 | wooya510 | There is user that know this message? : "Invalid command 'LDAP_Server', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration" |
| 05:09.56 | iter | not that omnipotent after all eh |
| 05:09.58 | streuner_ | Weedy_lappy^2: if needed you could optimize packages in debian too, of course :-) |
| 05:10.12 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, yeah but thats painfull |
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| 05:10.36 | streuner_ | but for _every_ single package its just a waste of time |
| 05:10.37 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, i can install gentoo over debian in about 30-40 mins if i really felt like it |
| 05:11.03 | Weedy_lappy^2 | then copy some flags over, my USE etc etc |
| 05:11.21 | Weedy_lappy^2 | start the rebuild and come back the next morning |
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| 05:15.11 | mhall | Guerin: reason highlight is non-default is because of disk consumption on install media, i think, which leads to vim-tiny |
| 05:15.23 | mhall | Guerin: also embedded systems, plus some dislike highlight |
| 05:16.08 | mhall | Guerin: btw fwiw i agree w/you on emacs. much better. since i learned it i love it but i'm still a klutz (what else would ya expect from mhall?) |
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| 05:17.41 | jessy | hello |
| 05:17.50 | jessy | how to specify noapic using lilo ? |
| 05:18.14 | mhall | jessy: man lilo.conf and look for append |
| 05:18.47 | mhall | jessy: append="mem=96M hd=576,64,32 console=ttyS1,9600" <-- like that but put noapic |
| 05:18.52 | jessy | ok thanks ;) |
| 05:18.57 | streuner_ | or just google for "append lilo kernelparameters noapic" |
| 05:19.02 | mhall | jessy: if you have some shit already like initrd, just tack this shit on the end |
| 05:19.31 | mhall | streuner_: kernelparameteris not an element of English |
| 05:19.59 | mhall | wli: haven't see you in a bit |
| 05:20.11 | streuner_ | jessy: you heart it, just use without it should give you an example too |
| 05:20.30 | jessy | :) |
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| 05:21.45 | levander | Okay, why does this command 'deborphan | xargs sudo apt-get remove --purge' list all the packages to be removed, ask me if I want to continue, then print out 'Abort' and quit before I can respond to the question? |
| 05:22.00 | mhall | levander: ok, you are driving stdin with xargs |
| 05:22.11 | mhall | levander: so stdin hits EOF before it hits 'y' |
| 05:22.21 | Weedy_lappy^2 | what version of perl-base is in sarge? |
| 05:22.28 | mhall | levander: what you want is deborpahn | sudo xargs apt-get remove *-y* --purge |
| 05:22.42 | streuner_ | !info perl sarge |
| 05:22.47 | mhall | levander: deborphan naturally |
| 05:22.49 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.4-8sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 3162 kB, Installed size: 11048 kB |
| 05:23.11 | levander | mhall: won't the command line expand the *'s to try to match filenames? |
| 05:23.13 | mhall | levander: funny you bring it up, i used this precise formulation ~30-40 times yesterday to clean out cruft on a box |
| 05:23.21 | mhall | levander: that was emphasis for clarity |
| 05:23.23 | levander | mhall: won't the shell i meant |
| 05:23.26 | Weedy_lappy^2 | ok |
| 05:23.27 | Weedy_lappy^2 | gay |
| 05:23.43 | Weedy_lappy^2 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:23.43 | Weedy_lappy^2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.45 | mhall | levander: otherwise people always say, "what the fuck mhall that's the same command i just typed" |
| 05:23.52 | Weedy_lappy^2 | mines to OLD |
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| 05:23.54 | Weedy_lappy^2 | -_- |
| 05:24.02 | mhall | levander: nobody reads my commands, i think perhaps because some of them are insanely weird and long |
| 05:24.12 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 05:24.12 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 05:24.13 | levander | mhall: the shell doesn't expand the *'s you put in your command line above? |
| 05:24.20 | mhall | levander: 22:23 < mhall> levander: that was emphasis for clarity |
| 05:24.31 | levander | mhall: okay, now i understand, thanks |
| 05:24.31 | dondelelcaro | Weedy_lappy^2: you need to upgrade libperl5.8 to the 8sarge4 version. |
| 05:24.32 | mhall | levander: i.e. you don't want it in the real command |
| 05:24.41 | streuner_ | Weedy_lappy^2: show us your sources.list in paster bot too |
| 05:24.44 | mhall | levander: ironically you are clueful unlike most people i help |
| 05:24.50 | dondelelcaro | !+info libperl5.8 sarge |
| 05:24.53 | mhall | levander: so in your case it made it worse rather than better |
| 05:24.55 | dpkg | libperl5.8: (Shared Perl library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.8.4-8sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 496 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB |
| 05:25.07 | dondelelcaro | or even 8sarge5... |
| 05:25.16 | mhall | levander: good that you noticed that detail, btw, it means you pay good attention to commands |
| 05:25.40 | mhall | but i'm guessing you probably knew that already |
| 05:25.41 | levander | mhall: thanks, that's working now, a lot faster than the for loop i had over the deborphan output before |
| 05:25.54 | mhall | levander: yeah it took me a bit to figure out that trick |
| 05:26.03 | Weedy_lappy^2 | http://pastebin.ca/163126 |
| 05:26.13 | mhall | levander: my problem is i know a whole bunch of debian tricks but i can't think up a useful way to compile and exhibit them to the public |
| 05:26.31 | mhall | levander: plus i'm famous for circumventing the official debian methods to get the job done which pisses a lot of people off, heh |
| 05:26.57 | levander | mhall: i don't think i would have figured out that xargs was getting an EOF from stdin before I could answer the apt-get question. At least not tonight, may have given up before I figured it out. |
| 05:27.47 | levander | mhall: may have given up even tomorrow i meant |
| 05:27.53 | streuner_ | Weedy_lappy^2: use only official servers, less headaches... |
| 05:28.56 | streuner_ | Weedy_lappy^2: if there is 'ca.debian.org' just use that one, dotdeb isn't official... |
| 05:30.03 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, dotdeb is for LAMP |
| 05:30.25 | mhall | levander: the best way to figure out stuff like that is writing some real-life c utilities |
| 05:30.34 | vulture | Weedy_lappy^2: ?.. all those things are in Debian already.. what's the problem? |
| 05:30.42 | mhall | levander: my best tricks are usually a combo of awk, c, and shell |
| 05:30.44 | Weedy_lappy^2 | vulture, backports |
| 05:31.02 | streuner_ | !tell Weedy_lappy^2 about dotdeb |
| 05:31.44 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, yes i know |
| 05:31.49 | Weedy_lappy^2 | thats why i use it |
| 05:32.04 | Weedy_lappy^2 | but libperl isnt in dotdeb |
| 05:32.19 | Weedy_lappy^2 | i guess the hosts mirrors are just old |
| 05:32.39 | vulture | Weedy_lappy^2: did you read the rest of the description, and the references to backports.org? *shrugs* |
| 05:33.38 | Weedy_lappy^2 | vulture, backports.org pulls in a whole mess of crap i dont want |
| 05:34.08 | streuner_ | hm, you didn't read the instructions carefully then (backports.org) too |
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| 05:36.30 | jetscreamer | real men run exp |
| 05:36.33 | streuner_ | anyway, sometimes non-offical servers just fail, use always official servers, upgrading packages in sarge/stable wasn't an issue the last months using official servers... |
| 05:36.48 | jetscreamer | yeah debian has a version 'just like' xp.. called exp... |
| 05:36.53 | mhall | vulture: dude i haven't seen you in a while |
| 05:36.55 | mhall | vulture: what's up |
| 05:36.57 | jetscreamer | erimental... |
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| 05:37.49 | mhall | aww damn i musta missed vulture |
| 05:37.52 | jetscreamer | i installed sql2005 on an ath64 w/1g ram.. the installer said it wasn't good enough |
| 05:37.53 | piper69 | tuv man are you here |
| 05:37.56 | mhall | i wanted to see how he was doing in the states |
| 05:37.59 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 05:38.53 | levander | Is there some command that when you do an 'apt-get remove' it will prompt you for removing each of the dependencies for those packages? I need something to spider over the dependencies, tired of doing it myself. |
| 05:40.16 | streuner_ | sounds like a job for deborphan |
| 05:40.37 | Weedy_lappy^2 | streuner_, backports.org version of mysql is too old, i will stick with dotdeb |
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| 05:41.05 | mhall | levander: that is a feature of deborphan and aptitude |
| 05:41.08 | levander | streuner_: no, like i 'apt-get remove roundup' then roundup has a bunch of python libraries that deborphan doesn't check |
| 05:41.23 | levander | mhall: cool, i'll try aptitude |
| 05:41.26 | mhall | levander: but the problem aptitude only can do this if you manage all packages with aptitude |
| 05:41.44 | levander | mhall: what do you mean 'manage all packages'? |
| 05:41.45 | mhall | levander: it flags things installed with a package as being not desired by the user without the package that brought them in |
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| 05:41.59 | mhall | levander: aptitude can be used to do 100% of what apt-get can do |
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| 05:42.17 | mhall | levander: aptitude update, install, dist-upgrade, all work like apt-get |
| 05:42.18 | levander | mhall: why does aptitude do all this stuff that should be down in dpkg libraries? |
| 05:42.30 | mhall | levander: well it's kind of like with programming languages |
| 05:42.34 | levander | mhall: oh, i thought aptitude was GUI |
| 05:42.36 | mhall | levander: there are different levels of tool |
| 05:42.51 | mhall | levander: aptitude can also be tui (text gui), synaptic must be gui |
| 05:42.57 | levander | mhall: the command line version works just like apt-get? |
| 05:43.12 | mhall | levander: but there is a cli mode aptitude has, when you run it like you would apt-get, you get a cli almost identical to apt-get |
| 05:43.23 | mhall | levander: if you run it alone with no args you get the tui |
| 05:43.25 | levander | mhall: cool, i need to start using that |
| 05:43.26 | insmod | mhall: it can;t do wildcards :P |
| 05:43.34 | piper69 | i can 't start my gnome at all can i get help please , i am running stable |
| 05:43.39 | jetscreamer | dselect > * |
| 05:43.42 | mhall | insmod: wildcards are dangerous for anything except purrge imho |
| 05:43.42 | levander | mhall: does the debian install process use aptitude? so I have those logs from the beginning? |
| 05:43.45 | jetscreamer | die gnome die |
| 05:43.59 | jetscreamer | piper69: what does it do |
| 05:44.12 | insmod | mhall: but still .. it can't do everything |
| 05:44.15 | mhall | levander: well, the theoretical way to get that feature is to install nothing but the base system and aptitude itself |
| 05:44.20 | jetscreamer | die Estagus die |
| 05:44.37 | levander | mhall: okay, i may try that next time |
| 05:44.39 | mhall | insmod: true, i should have been more precise |
| 05:44.49 | piper69 | jetscreamer i think u where helping me last time and asked me to do apt-get distroiupgrade or something |
| 05:44.50 | mhall | levander: what you do in situations such as your own is |
| 05:44.53 | jetscreamer | piper69: is it gnome, or xorg that won't start? do you get a login screen, or what? details man, details! |
| 05:45.02 | Estagus | jetscreamer: ÎÉÆÉÇÁ |
| 05:45.09 | Estagus | Ñ ÂÙÌ, ÅÓÔØ É ÂÕÄÕ ÅÓÔØ! |
| 05:45.11 | mhall | levander: you go through one time the hard way with dpkg --get-selections, deborphan, and apt-get remove --purge |
| 05:45.17 | mhall | levander: then you start up again with aptitude |
| 05:45.23 | streuner_ | !ru |
| 05:45.23 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 05:45.34 | mhall | levander: it's a bitch i agree but only needs to be done once |
| 05:45.40 | jetscreamer | piper69: i never ask anybody to move to etch or sid.. i maight mention it but i make it clear that it's a choice not a need |
| 05:45.47 | mhall | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 05:45.47 | mhall | /dev/md0 932G 366G 567G 40% /raid |
| 05:45.52 | streuner_ | Estagus: we cannot read those chars.... |
| 05:45.55 | mhall | levander: ^^^ is another choice. |
| 05:46.02 | mhall | levander: just suck it up and get a terabyte :-P |
| 05:46.21 | Estagus | streuner_: no russian chars? ;) |
| 05:46.24 | streuner_ | no |
| 05:46.27 | piper69 | jetscreamer i might be wrong , so i i did that and now i get Fatal server error: XIO: |
| 05:46.38 | streuner_ | most of us |
| 05:46.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:46.58 | jetscreamer | piper69: try in console grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:47.00 | mhall | Estagus: here we use ascii, 8859-1, and utf8 |
| 05:47.02 | Estagus | streuner_: so you can not live full life. |
| 05:47.06 | jetscreamer | then past those results in a paster |
| 05:47.08 | mhall | Estagus: for russian channel you need koi8r |
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| 05:47.10 | Estagus | mhall: sorry. |
| 05:47.12 | jetscreamer | paste* |
| 05:47.24 | mhall | Estagus: it's ok, i'm not mad, i just wanted to help you |
| 05:47.31 | jetscreamer | if none just say so :) |
| 05:47.37 | Estagus | mhall: :) |
| 05:48.06 | mhall | Estagus: probably you could use a bit of russian utf8 if you explain what it means |
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| 05:48.30 | mhall | Estagus: topic of russian channel however indicates they'd dislike this: "KOI8-R, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?" |
| 05:48.32 | piper69 | jetscreamer keep in mind this is not the box that i have issue with |
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| 05:48.50 | Estagus | mhall: ;) |
| 05:49.01 | Estagus | mhall: funny topic |
| 05:49.12 | mhall | Estagus: comes from the movie pulp fiction btw |
| 05:49.19 | Estagus | mhall: I know. |
| 05:49.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:49.23 | jetscreamer | i didn't get it |
| 05:49.29 | Estagus | mhall: I saw this and picture |
| 05:49.34 | jetscreamer | hawaiian burgers |
| 05:49.38 | jetscreamer | love it |
| 05:49.40 | mhall | jetscreamer: ya, samuel jackson talking to a man with a gun to his head |
| 05:49.46 | mhall | jetscreamer: the man forgot english |
| 05:49.47 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 05:49.51 | jetscreamer | and a sprite |
| 05:49.59 | jetscreamer | tasty beverage |
| 05:50.02 | Estagus | I love this pix |
| 05:50.14 | Estagus | just the best |
| 05:50.28 | jetscreamer | wtf was in the box dammit! |
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| 05:51.26 | icebit | ky |
| 05:51.26 | piper69 | jetscreamer (II) loading extention MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 05:51.38 | jetscreamer | EE |
| 05:51.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:51.58 | jetscreamer | any (EE) 's? |
| 05:52.09 | piper69 | jetscreamer (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (no such device) |
| 05:52.26 | jetscreamer | what kind of mobo |
| 05:52.44 | Estagus | who know how to setup debian on a SUN E3500 server? Debian do not see a FC-AL hard drives... |
| 05:52.48 | jetscreamer | chipset i mean |
| 05:53.00 | piper69 | jetscreamer (EE) I810(0): No video BIOS modes for chosen depth |
| 05:53.30 | piper69 | jetscreamer (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 05:53.42 | mhall | Estagus: lol |
| 05:53.52 | mhall | Estagus: can you perhaps live with nexenta |
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| 05:54.02 | mhall | Estagus: it's likely to be much easier to get it to work than debian |
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| 05:54.29 | Estagus | mhall: :( I need debian. |
| 05:54.31 | mhall | Estagus: there is only one linux kernel maintainer for sparc who is grumpy overworked and in no mood to make more proprietary drivers for a dying architecture of hardware |
| 05:54.48 | mhall | Estagus: chill out-- nexenta has solaris 10 kernel + drivers with debian user space programs |
| 05:55.00 | mhall | Estagus: i wouldn't have suggested it if it were not pretty close to debian |
| 05:55.04 | mhall | but as always |
| 05:55.07 | mhall | !+based on debian |
| 05:55.07 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 05:55.24 | jetscreamer | piper69: you wanna modprobe something like i810_agp but i don't know the exact name.. that will also draw in agpgart. you would need to put i810_agp (or whatever it's called) in /etc/modules for reboots |
| 05:55.42 | mhall | Estagus: i'll bet nexenta supports the fc-al drives straight away |
| 05:55.45 | piper69 | jetscreamer i don't know what chipset , shoud i do lsmod |
| 05:56.06 | jetscreamer | piper69: apt-get install modconf if it's not already, and then run it as root |
| 05:56.12 | Estagus | mhall: thx.. I'll look for it. |
| 05:56.19 | jetscreamer | it wil do this for you.. just scroll down to the agp section and enter it |
| 05:56.25 | mhall | Estagus: other thing is, if you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE syscall kernel api compatibility (unlikely you need more than C library POSIX in most cases) you can try posting and searching following mailing list |
| 05:56.31 | jetscreamer | it wil also amend /etc/modules |
| 05:56.38 | mhall | Estagus: http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/ |
| 05:57.24 | piper69 | jetscreamer ok after i run apt-get install modconf what else please? |
| 05:57.51 | jair | jelly-home: hello how are you doing? |
| 05:58.36 | jetscreamer | run modconf as root |
| 05:58.50 | jetscreamer | then go to the agp section.. it's only a few lines down |
| 05:59.12 | jetscreamer | it might just be agp_intel |
| 05:59.18 | jetscreamer | or intel_agp |
| 05:59.27 | mhall | Estagus: fuck, nexenta only supports x86 for now, i thought they had a sparc version |
| 05:59.37 | Estagus | :(( |
| 05:59.39 | mhall | Estagus: maybe your best bet is the sparc list and archives |
| 05:59.43 | Estagus | I see |
| 05:59.44 | jetscreamer | yeah intel_agp |
| 06:00.32 | jair | jelly: hello? |
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| 06:00.37 | piper69 | jetscreamer can't find it |
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| 06:00.58 | jetscreamer | it's the 7th line on mine |
| 06:01.01 | jetscreamer | agp |
| 06:01.11 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.20 | jair | whois jelly |
| 06:01.45 | piper69 | jetscreamer oh there we go i found it |
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| 06:01.57 | jetscreamer | but piper69 if you can't find it, just exit and modprobe intel_agp.. ah ok just hit enter on that one then |
| 06:02.15 | jetscreamer | and enter again.. and again... :) but only when it tells you to |
| 06:02.39 | jetscreamer | that should get rid of the agp EE error |
| 06:02.52 | jetscreamer | can't swear the xorg wil lwork but hey it might |
| 06:03.06 | jetscreamer | there was that color thing or something |
| 06:03.28 | jetscreamer | but it might just fix itself now |
| 06:03.32 | jetscreamer | might not |
| 06:04.04 | jetscreamer | did i810's do 24bit? seems to me there was something about 16bit color only... i forget |
| 06:05.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:05.28 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:06.13 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 06:06.23 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:07.10 | piper69 | jetscreamer how do i exit |
| 06:07.25 | jetscreamer | hit home, hit enter.. repeat as needed |
| 06:08.02 | jetscreamer | aka top line is exit in each screen |
| 06:08.26 | piper69 | then try to run startx |
| 06:09.04 | jetscreamer | you can.. i'd check the driver for the vid card and the color depth settings and the vert&horiz stuff first if it was me.. but you can try woh't hurt |
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| 06:09.32 | piper69 | jetscreamer yep , didn't work |
| 06:09.37 | piper69 | what is the next step |
| 06:09.48 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:09.56 | jetscreamer | not the screensaver one |
| 06:09.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 06:10.31 | sid | http://www.gnome.org/start/2.16/notes/C/rnfeatures.html |
| 06:10.35 | piper69 | jest |
| 06:10.44 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:10.46 | sid | That's pretty cool, you can see how much power each device is consuming. |
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| 06:10.55 | sid | I bet that will help a lot for increasing laptop battery life. |
| 06:11.21 | piper69 | jetscreamer (EE) GARTInit: unable to open /dev/agpgart |
| 06:12.19 | jetscreamer | lsmod | grep agp |
| 06:13.09 | jetscreamer | what are you using, etch? |
| 06:13.46 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 06:13.46 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:13.56 | piper69 | jetscreameragpgart 31784 0 |
| 06:13.59 | jetscreamer | oneline is cool |
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| 06:14.06 | jetscreamer | k |
| 06:14.13 | jetscreamer | what about the intel one |
| 06:14.29 | piper69 | jetscreamer doesn't show any others |
| 06:14.59 | jetscreamer | after you hit enter a few time in modconf to install it, did the intel_agp one and the agpgart one have a + next to em, you had no errors when it did it? |
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| 06:16.07 | jetscreamer | you should get back two values with that grep of the lsmod |
| 06:16.11 | piper69 | jetscreamer hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:16.13 | jetscreamer | not just the gart one |
| 06:16.36 | jetscreamer | lsmod | grep intel |
| 06:16.48 | jetscreamer | but just say yes or no you find intel_agp |
| 06:16.56 | Buckweat420 | So ubuntu is built around debian right? |
| 06:17.02 | jetscreamer | from yeah |
| 06:17.05 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 06:17.19 | jetscreamer | and then they do things to it.. evil twisted things.. :) |
| 06:17.33 | piper69 | jetscreamer i don't remember , should i go back again |
| 06:17.45 | jetscreamer | piper69: yeah just run modconf again |
| 06:17.53 | jetscreamer | easiest |
| 06:18.12 | Buckweat420 | Hey, What is a good FTP Server application on Linux? |
| 06:18.23 | jetscreamer | you don't have to hit enter on the names, just check for a + sign |
| 06:18.37 | Buckweat420 | I want to run a FTP Server with Multiple Users and junk...with access to diff folders |
| 06:18.42 | jetscreamer | after you enter the agp section i mean |
| 06:19.48 | jetscreamer | intel_agp |
| 06:19.51 | piper69 | jetscreamer i can see the "+" |
| 06:19.56 | jetscreamer | on it? |
| 06:19.57 | piper69 | yayyyyyy i am saved |
| 06:20.00 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:20.04 | Weedy_lappy^2 | Buckweat420, proftpd |
| 06:20.10 | jetscreamer | saved? |
| 06:20.25 | jetscreamer | so you see 2 + signs |
| 06:20.31 | piper69 | jetscreamer agpgart + /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) |
| 06:20.37 | jetscreamer | yeah but |
| 06:20.46 | piper69 | jetscreamer only "1" |
| 06:20.48 | jetscreamer | intel_agp |
| 06:20.51 | jetscreamer | lower |
| 06:21.19 | Buckweat420 | Weedy_lappy^2: Are there any good bandwidth monitoring tools...so that i can up the max up on my ftp to 50KBs? |
| 06:21.57 | Weedy_lappy^2 | Buckweat420, yeah it has stuffs for that |
| 06:22.11 | Buckweat420 | Thanks Weedy_lappy^2 |
| 06:22.18 | piper69 | jetscreamer i can see the intel-agp but there is no discription available |
| 06:22.44 | jetscreamer | you were supposed to do that one before.. it would autoload the other :) do it to it dude |
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| 06:23.11 | jetscreamer | hit that big enter key |
| 06:23.15 | piper69 | jetscreamer ok i am lost now :) |
| 06:23.29 | jetscreamer | highlight intel_agp and hit enter |
| 06:23.35 | jetscreamer | load it |
| 06:23.44 | jetscreamer | do that thing you did |
| 06:23.55 | jetscreamer | that thing you did on the other one |
| 06:24.07 | piper69 | jetscreamer what thing |
| 06:24.10 | jetscreamer | (which is ok that one is fine) |
| 06:24.12 | jetscreamer | hit enter |
| 06:24.19 | jetscreamer | jsut liek before |
| 06:24.31 | jetscreamer | highlight intel_agp and hit enter |
| 06:24.41 | ThomasPorter | is doing apt-get upgrade going to take 6-12 weeks to finish? |
| 06:24.49 | jetscreamer | move the highlight with the down arrow key |
| 06:24.51 | piper69 | jetscreamer i did |
| 06:24.59 | jetscreamer | hit enter |
| 06:25.01 | piper69 | jetscreamer should i exit modconf |
| 06:25.12 | jetscreamer | are there 2 + signs now? |
| 06:25.19 | jetscreamer | one on intel_agp? |
| 06:25.27 | jetscreamer | and the other on agpgart? |
| 06:25.27 | tengulre | HI,all |
| 06:25.36 | tengulre | how to register a account in #linux? |
| 06:25.47 | jetscreamer | /msg nickserv help register |
| 06:26.04 | jetscreamer | and it's ##linux btw |
| 06:26.19 | Weedy_lappy^2 | ThomasPorter, ... no |
| 06:26.21 | jetscreamer | you register with freenode |
| 06:26.36 | jetscreamer | piper69: are there 2 + signs |
| 06:26.41 | tengulre | jetscreamer, your mean register in freenode.net ? |
| 06:26.47 | jetscreamer | /msg nickserv help register |
| 06:26.52 | jetscreamer | i mean that |
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| 06:26.57 | tengulre | thanks :) |
| 06:26.57 | ThomasPorter | Oh. Okay |
| 06:27.19 | Weedy_lappy^2 | ThomasPorter, gentoo doesnt even take that long |
| 06:27.32 | piper69 | jetscreamer yep there is a + next to agpgart and a + next to intel |
| 06:27.38 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:27.41 | jetscreamer | exit |
| 06:27.45 | jetscreamer | startx |
| 06:27.50 | jetscreamer | grep again on error |
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| 06:28.15 | jetscreamer | home enter to exit remember |
| 06:28.16 | ThomasPorter | Weedy_lappy^2: Ah it just seems to be taking its time, my laptop battery will die before its done |
| 06:28.31 | piper69 | jetscreamer nope |
| 06:28.51 | jetscreamer | nope didn't start eh.. ok hit up arrow in console and redo the grep of the log |
| 06:28.54 | Weedy_lappy^2 | ThomasPorter, -_- |
| 06:28.58 | Weedy_lappy^2 | ThomasPorter, get the AC |
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| 06:29.23 | jetscreamer | probably the color error |
| 06:29.28 | ThomasPorter | Weedy_lappy^2: AC? Air Con? Nah, aready got one |
| 06:29.47 | Weedy_lappy^2 | ThomasPorter, THE CORD |
| 06:29.51 | ThomasPorter | Weedy_lappy^2: Woah its done! |
| 06:29.52 | piper69 | jetscreamer it is saying something about the mouse |
| 06:29.54 | Weedy_lappy^2 | plug it in to the wall |
| 06:30.13 | jetscreamer | piper69: modprobe mousedev , try startx again |
| 06:30.13 | tengulre | I want to builing a very small system(in CF card). anybody can give me some tips? |
| 06:30.17 | ThomasPorter | Weedy_lappy^2: and i've been wondering for years why it wasn't working! Thanks! |
| 06:30.41 | pjota | hi there |
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| 06:31.01 | pjota | please, where is the debian manual in my computer? |
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| 06:31.19 | jetscreamer | /usr/share/doc/somewhere |
| 06:31.23 | jetscreamer | or docs |
| 06:31.26 | jetscreamer | doc i think |
| 06:31.33 | pjota | and how to launch it? |
| 06:31.55 | jetscreamer | /usr/share/doc/debian |
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| 06:32.04 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 06:32.17 | jetscreamer | in the usual fashion for whatever type of file it is?> |
| 06:32.57 | jetscreamer | file:///usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/index.html. |
| 06:33.00 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 06:33.03 | piper69 | jetscreamer hey thanks gnome works now, but the mouse doesn't |
| 06:33.04 | jetscreamer | take the . off the end |
| 06:33.09 | piper69 | hehehe |
| 06:33.21 | jetscreamer | piper69: did you modprobe mousedev? |
| 06:33.27 | piper69 | yep |
| 06:33.37 | jetscreamer | you wil need to edit /etc/modules and add the word mousedev to it |
| 06:33.51 | jetscreamer | what kind of mouse... ps2, usb? |
| 06:33.56 | piper69 | jetscreamer it's a wireless mouse , |
| 06:33.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:34.05 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 06:34.14 | jair | how can i make the directory root be "/var/www" instead "/var/www/apache2-default"? |
| 06:34.22 | jetscreamer | it's all in the xorg.conf though i believe |
| 06:34.22 | piper69 | jetscreamer how can i exit gnome with keyboard commands |
| 06:34.23 | jair | on debian of course |
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| 06:34.35 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt backspace works |
| 06:34.50 | jetscreamer | in most anything |
| 06:34.55 | jetscreamer | unless it's turned off |
| 06:34.58 | pjota | jetscreamer: thanks, but I'm not looking for a FAQ, I'm lloking for de usermanual |
| 06:35.14 | jetscreamer | pjota: you might need to install it i'm not sure |
| 06:35.25 | jetscreamer | iirc it's not installed by default but i don't know |
| 06:35.31 | pjota | I downloaded it but I can't remember the command wich launch it |
| 06:35.32 | jetscreamer | there's the online docs |
| 06:35.38 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:35.41 | jetscreamer | man debian |
| 06:35.46 | pjota | ok, thanks |
| 06:35.49 | jetscreamer | or maybe debian-doc i dunno |
| 06:36.00 | pjota | no , man debian not run :S |
| 06:36.06 | jetscreamer | try locate debian |grep doc |
| 06:36.42 | pjota | no way :S |
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| 06:37.05 | ThomasPorter | I just upgraded from Apache 1.3 to Apache 2.0 and my PHP is no longer active, how do I fix this? |
| 06:37.15 | pjota | somebody said to me how to install thru a '/msg dkpg' message |
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| 06:39.06 | piper69 | jetscreamer DIDN'T WORK |
| 06:39.10 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.22 | jetscreamer | what didn't |
| 06:39.29 | piper69 | jetscreamer the mouse |
| 06:39.34 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:39.50 | jetscreamer | yeah but gnome started eh |
| 06:39.58 | piper69 | jetscreamer yep |
| 06:40.11 | jetscreamer | you need that mousedev thing in /etc/modules or it won't work if you reboot |
| 06:40.32 | jetscreamer | you could just type modprobe mousedev everytime you star the computer though |
| 06:40.38 | jair | guys I am trying to change the root directory on my apache2 server from /var/www/apache2-default ---> /var/www |
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| 06:41.33 | jetscreamer | the wireless i can't help you. your reciever seems to be working, or xorg wouldn't start. it's not getting the signal from the mouse is my guess... i dunno. or something like that. but that's about all i can do except tell you... |
| 06:41.35 | pstickne | jair, okay. |
| 06:41.35 | jair | so I can have http://www.pcguruji.com/ instead this--->http://www.pcguruji.com/apache2-default/ |
| 06:42.02 | pstickne | jair, uhm, just set that up the apache config. no need to change the physical layout. |
| 06:42.12 | jetscreamer | piper69: shift+numlock enables the keypad to control the mouse |
| 06:42.15 | jair | pstickne: where ?? |
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| 06:42.29 | jair | pstickne: in the directory "sites-available"? |
| 06:42.33 | pstickne | /etc/httpd or something. maybe /etc/apache, not sure |
| 06:42.53 | jair | haha you don't know it is ok, I am on the same situation |
| 06:42.59 | pstickne | jair, I haven't played with 2.x, nor do I know the "debian" way. |
| 06:43.12 | jair | pstickne: thank you ok |
| 06:43.13 | piper69 | jetscreamer i did put mousedev in the /etc/modules ...also ther is psmouse |
| 06:43.18 | pstickne | man httpd.conf |
| 06:43.20 | jetscreamer | psmouse is good |
| 06:43.27 | jetscreamer | esp if you have a psmouse |
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| 06:43.42 | jair | pstickne: fyi apache2 use apache2.conf instead httpd,conf |
| 06:43.49 | jetscreamer | how does it hook up to the computer or is the irport on the computer |
| 06:44.00 | pstickne | jair, ahh. it's a welcome change. |
| 06:44.03 | jair | pstickne: so don't do that anymore here you will confuse other newbies |
| 06:44.32 | piper69 | jetscreamer how to go back to startx after i did ctrl+alt+bckspace |
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| 06:44.37 | pstickne | jair, I just offer suggestions; if people can't bother to look for themselves *shrug* and disclaimers are included when I'm not sure. |
| 06:44.39 | jair | anyone here has been using debian and apache2 |
| 06:44.40 | jair | ? |
| 06:44.59 | jair | pstickne: great I leave you in peace |
| 06:45.04 | jetscreamer | well you could type startx... but remember to try not to run as root when you don't need to |
| 06:45.20 | jetscreamer | also you might try /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 06:45.30 | jetscreamer | but that may or may not be installed |
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| 06:46.04 | jetscreamer | or restart instead of start |
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| 06:46.51 | piper69 | jetscreamer Not starting GNOME Display Manager; it is not the default display manager |
| 06:47.08 | Weedy_lappy^2 | crap how do you set timezones again? |
| 06:47.08 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 06:47.15 | jetscreamer | tzconfig |
| 06:47.49 | jetscreamer | piper try apt-get install x-window-system |
| 06:47.59 | jetscreamer | piper69: ^^ |
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| 06:48.26 | epsilon | is there any FTP-client with preinstalled set of SSL Root Certificates like a webbrowser? |
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| 06:48.57 | piper69 | jetscreamer the dpkg reconfigure-gdm worked |
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| 06:49.03 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:49.07 | jetscreamer | piper69: ^^ |
| 06:49.16 | piper69 | jetscreamer \o/ what is that mean |
| 06:49.19 | piper69 | :D |
| 06:49.21 | jetscreamer | goooooool |
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| 06:49.39 | jetscreamer | or gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllll |
| 06:49.41 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 06:49.47 | piper69 | jetscreamer heheh, still mouse is not working , so i will try and reboot |
| 06:49.54 | jetscreamer | piper try apt-get install x-window-system |
| 06:50.01 | piper69 | jetscreamer ok |
| 06:50.22 | jetscreamer | did you see the thing aobut the shift+numlock? |
| 06:50.25 | jair | jetscreamer: any experience with apache2 and debian? |
| 06:50.30 | jetscreamer | none |
| 06:50.37 | jair | thanks |
| 06:50.41 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 06:50.47 | jair | it's ok |
| 06:50.56 | epsilon | yea, a2's working fine |
| 06:51.41 | piper69 | jetscreamer what did u do...now the ctrl+alt=bcl space doesn't work , everytime i hit that i take me back to genome |
| 06:51.50 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:52.08 | jetscreamer | ctrl + alt +F1 .. alt+F7b to get back |
| 06:52.16 | jetscreamer | F7 not b |
| 06:52.35 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm stop works btw |
| 06:52.51 | jetscreamer | but.. gdm will always start now |
| 06:53.00 | jetscreamer | when the computer starts |
| 06:53.07 | piper69 | jetscreamer i tried those but they don't respond |
| 06:53.25 | jetscreamer | the left ctrl and alt |
| 06:54.28 | piper69 | jetscreamer yeh the left |
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| 06:55.09 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt F1 at the same time, like ctrl alt del but different |
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| 06:55.41 | piper69 | jetscreamer yes bro i did that |
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| 06:55.52 | jetscreamer | i have a kb.. only the right ones will work for f1 and 2, but the lefts wil work for 3 and up.. then it works normally |
| 06:56.00 | jetscreamer | try F3 with the left ones |
| 06:56.08 | jetscreamer | then f11 with the right ones |
| 06:56.12 | jetscreamer | err F1 |
| 06:56.49 | jetscreamer | if that don't work, log in and it should |
| 06:57.14 | jetscreamer | and if it doesn't you can start an xterm and kil gdm by su'ing to root |
| 06:57.55 | jetscreamer | or you can run just one command with su in one line, but i forgot how |
| 06:58.08 | jetscreamer | that would be more elegant :/ |
| 06:58.42 | piper69 | jetscreamer how to start the xterm by keyboard |
| 06:59.01 | jetscreamer | try the ctrl alt f1 again |
| 06:59.20 | piper69 | jetscreamer does not work |
| 06:59.20 | jetscreamer | use the mouse like i told you even |
| 06:59.35 | jetscreamer | shift+numlock enables keypad to control cursor |
| 07:00.36 | jetscreamer | do you have one of those fancy keyboards that have the Fkeys disabled by default, you have to hit a button? |
| 07:01.00 | jetscreamer | i saw one of those when i was installing linux on this 75 year old womans computer.. she dual boots |
| 07:01.13 | ThomasPorter | My webmin finds my old apache httpd.conf... in /etc/apache/httpd.conf... the new httpd.conf is in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf can I simply delete apache and change apache2 to apache? |
| 07:01.14 | jetscreamer | or more.. here son is 55 or so |
| 07:01.23 | ThomasPorter | or does apache2 read both or something |
| 07:01.26 | jetscreamer | her son |
| 07:01.36 | piper69 | jetscreamer are you serious?1 |
| 07:01.39 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:01.49 | jetscreamer | i have her running gnome |
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| 07:02.05 | jetscreamer | she has w2k prof also |
| 07:02.06 | piper69 | jetscreamer how to kill it |
| 07:02.15 | jetscreamer | where are you at |
| 07:02.27 | jetscreamer | did you use the mouse got an xterm? |
| 07:02.36 | jetscreamer | i don't know gnome shortcut keys |
| 07:02.40 | jetscreamer | but they are there |
| 07:02.47 | jetscreamer | lemme check |
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| 07:02.51 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 07:03.23 | piper69 | jetscreamer yes i am at the xterm now, what r u useing then |
| 07:03.40 | gypsymauro | I've tryed to compile the kernel with make-kpkg but it doesn't boot: it says kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0) |
| 07:03.48 | gypsymauro | it is an initrd problem? |
| 07:03.57 | cydork | gypsymauro: thinks so |
| 07:04.05 | cydork | gypsymauro: use --initrd |
| 07:04.10 | jetscreamer | you need to use .. what he said |
| 07:04.37 | piper69 | jetscreamer use what ? |
| 07:04.45 | jetscreamer | piper69: /etc/init.d/gdm stop .. and keep in mind it will restart every time unless you disable it or remove it and the other ones on your computer |
| 07:05.09 | jetscreamer | piper69: i meant that guy needed to use --initrd, but cydork beat me to it |
| 07:06.02 | jetscreamer | when you did the dpkg-reconfigure gdm, it said gdm and xdm ? apt-get remove gdm xdm will keep them from starting |
| 07:06.13 | jetscreamer | add kdm if needed |
| 07:06.17 | jetscreamer | or any |
| 07:06.18 | jetscreamer | hmm |
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| 07:06.24 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove ?dm |
| 07:06.35 | ThomasPorter | My webmin finds my old apache httpd.conf... in /etc/apache/httpd.conf... the new httpd.conf is in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf can I simply delete apache and change apache2 to apache? |
| 07:06.51 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/?dm start or whatever used to work, but now gdm bitches about it |
| 07:07.50 | jetscreamer | ok now fix you rmouse |
| 07:07.59 | jetscreamer | have fun |
| 07:10.13 | gypsymauro | cydork: if I already compiled the kernel I can use --initrd after ? |
| 07:10.40 | cydork | gypsymauro: nope. check out /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
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| 07:10.50 | e-type | morning all |
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| 07:12.56 | jair | jelly-home: do you rememeber me? |
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| 07:13.19 | jair | jelly: are you the same as jelly-home ? |
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| 07:18.33 | gypsymauro | cydork: I'll try tanx, I done a make-kpkg clean so I suppose not I can do that |
| 07:18.35 | gypsymauro | now |
| 07:22.08 | piper69 | good night all |
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| 07:26.04 | nvz | hallelujah |
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| 07:27.06 | nvz | my manager went home early. being a little cry baby that she was gonna pass out.. I was about to slap her she was being an ignorant bitch tonight |
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| 07:27.38 | nvz | so I took a break to blow off some smoke :P |
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| 07:33.01 | pstickne | nvz, :x |
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| 07:33.08 | cydork | nvz: i bet it's not normal smoke is it? ;) |
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| 07:37.17 | nvz | cydork: depends on what you normally smoke :P |
| 07:38.16 | nvz | smoking a JOB 1.25" fine french "cigarette" paper |
| 07:38.57 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 07:40.03 | cydork | nvz: hehe i smoke Marlboro. and that's all i smoke. Sometimes a cigar but not that much |
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| 07:45.53 | eps | yay gnome :D |
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| 07:46.16 | conwell | if i install non-debian software from .tar.gz, how will it affect my etch system? will it compromise the system in anyway? |
| 07:46.36 | eps | that depends a lot on the application |
| 07:46.59 | eps | if the application has holes and opens up security risks then yes, if not then no |
| 07:47.11 | conwell | eps: its hamachi, a vpn software. heard of it? |
| 07:47.13 | eps | though that applies to debian packages anyway |
| 07:47.16 | eps | yeah I have |
| 07:47.27 | eps | I have it installed here and I haven't had a problem with it |
| 07:47.41 | conwell | eps: no debian packg for it yet, right? |
| 07:48.09 | eps | conwell I don't believe it is gpl software and thus cannot be included in debian |
| 07:48.30 | conwell | eps: do you use the gui ghamachi? |
| 07:49.03 | eps | I don't think so |
| 07:50.02 | conwell | when did you install hamachi? that's to give me an idea about its version. |
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| 07:50.41 | eps | hamachi is not open source and thus will not be included in the debian repos |
| 07:50.44 | eps | about a month back |
| 07:50.54 | eps | I used the command line version it seems |
| 07:51.07 | eps | I've been playing starcraft over it for awhile now :) |
| 07:51.15 | conwell | ok, thks. i know, the console version. |
| 07:51.28 | conwell | ooh, cool. |
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| 07:52.06 | conwell | do you need it in order to play starcraft online? |
| 07:52.25 | eps | I doubt it, I was playing with friends on the other side of the country though |
| 07:52.37 | TTT | hi, i want to upgrade sarge 2.4.27 into sid 2.6.17, everything except kernel is already upgraded. Do I just do apt-get install? Will there be trouble because of mkintrd => yard transition? (i already have module-init-tools) |
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| 07:53.04 | conwell | eps: bye. |
| 07:53.31 | TTT | one admin suggests upgrading 2.4 => sarge 2.6.8 then 2.6.8=>2.6.17, is he right? |
| 07:53.32 | eps | bye |
| 07:53.34 | eps | ... |
| 07:53.57 | eps | I would suggest that personally, though I'm not a kernel buff so yeah :| |
| 07:54.23 | ice_1963 | eps: are you runing gnome ? |
| 07:54.32 | eps | yes |
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| 07:55.47 | cydork | TTT: sarge 2.6.8 is well tested and secure. |
| 07:55.57 | ice_1963 | eps: do use gnomebaker or what? |
| 07:56.27 | TTT | ok, we'll see if it worked, brb |
| 07:56.29 | eps | I use gnomebaker mostly, though nautilus seems to do burning rather well now...if both of those fail I use xcd roast |
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| 07:59.27 | ice_1963 | eps: im running kde right now ...but im going back to gnome i like it better :) |
| 08:00.04 | nekoksan | fluxbox! |
| 08:00.06 | nekoksan | :] |
| 08:00.30 | ice_1963 | or fluxbox |
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| 08:04.29 | blenda | how do I change my shell environment from utf8 to latin1 on the fly? it's just for temporarily use |
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| 08:05.32 | eps | good question |
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| 08:05.52 | eps | I usually use gnome, enlightenment (dr17), or blackbox though I rather fluxbox |
| 08:06.06 | dfriis | I'm between a rock and a hard place |
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| 08:06.25 | cydork | dfriis: the question is why?? |
| 08:06.39 | garo | I'm setting up a ext3 during a new debian install and in one of the menus i can choose between standard,news (1 inode/kb),largefile (1inode/mb) and largefile4 (1 inode/4mb). What's 'standard' ? |
| 08:06.42 | dfriis | Well, anyone here familiar with ispconfig? |
| 08:07.19 | dfriis | The problem is that I tried to upgrade the php and apache installation on my debian mail/web/everything server and now the webserver won't start |
| 08:07.32 | garo | s/news (1inode/kb/news (1inode/4kb/ |
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| 08:08.17 | dfriis | I now get this error message: Syntax error on line 48 of /etc/apache2/vhosts/Vhosts_ispconfig.conf: |
| 08:08.17 | dfriis | Invalid command 'php_admin_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 08:09.26 | dfriis | Have I come to the right place for this? :) Anyone? |
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| 08:10.30 | TTT | dfriis, this what? paste the question in private |
| 08:11.57 | dfriis | private... |
| 08:12.13 | dfriis | I'm a irc noob... |
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| 08:14.09 | eps | probably |
| 08:14.37 | eps | php_admin_flag isn't defined which means you probably haven't enabled php for apache |
| 08:15.24 | eps | cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ && ls|grep php |
| 08:15.33 | eps | paste the result if less than two lines |
| 08:16.00 | dfriis | ok, I've come to that conclusion too. How can I reinstall the chosen packages without messing anything up? I'm not sure what config files ispconfig creates so I don't dare just reinstalling it |
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| 08:16.18 | eps | what is ispconfig? |
| 08:16.42 | danielibrahimger | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.05 | eps | interesting...easier than doing it by hand? |
| 08:17.26 | dfriis | yeah, when it's working :D |
| 08:17.32 | eps | might check that out some day |
| 08:17.42 | eps | anyway have you checked that you have php enabled in apache2? |
| 08:17.53 | dfriis | it's actually pretty nifty, I guess it wasn't responsible for my web server messing up |
| 08:18.12 | cydork | dfriis: it's not gpled right? |
| 08:18.22 | dfriis | ispconfig enables php for every domain, it's globally disabled though |
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| 08:19.09 | dfriis | not sure if it's gpl |
| 08:19.30 | dfriis | ah, ISPConfig is an open source hosting control panel for Linux. ISPConfig is licensed under BSD license. |
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| 08:19.45 | eps | if it's gpl it will include a gpl statement in the document root of the folder it came in |
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| 08:20.56 | cydork | hmm it's under bsd license .. |
| 08:21.26 | eps | does that matter? |
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| 08:22.15 | dfriis | well, it doesn't affect my problem anyway |
| 08:22.40 | cydork | eps: no i was just wondering. if i can try it. but for now i used to editing files by hand :P |
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| 08:23.26 | eps | same :P |
| 08:23.43 | dfriis | well, give it a try and then you can maybe help me :) ispconfig.org |
| 08:24.44 | dfriis | it takes care of dns settings, firewall ports, mail users, spam, user accounts etc. |
| 08:25.01 | eps | mmm spam |
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| 08:25.23 | dfriis | it might take some of the admin freedom maybe, if you're a linux god, but I find it useful |
| 08:25.29 | tralala | !spam me |
| 08:25.44 | dfriis | but hey! I'm desperate here :( |
| 08:26.06 | eps | I usually use webmin to be honest...when I'm to lazy to configure stuff myself |
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| 08:26.26 | dfriis | that grep thing didn't return anything by the way |
| 08:26.59 | cydork | eps: webmin??? why?? i mean why? |
| 08:27.18 | cydork | dfriis: past the output of ls -la /etc/apache2/mods-available in a paster |
| 08:27.20 | cydork | !paster |
| 08:27.21 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:27.25 | cydork | dfriis: ^^ |
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| 08:27.44 | dfriis | ehm...ok |
| 08:27.44 | eps | cydork I assume you've had to work with windows administrators before? ...well they have to use the servers too...you're question is answered |
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| 08:28.27 | cydork | eps: never worked with windows admin :) |
| 08:28.35 | eps | lucky you |
| 08:28.38 | sprink_ | If i'm running debian testing or debian etch.. when it becomes stable, after I do a full system update/upgrade, will everything be considered stable, will the repos change to stable? |
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| 08:28.49 | eps | yes |
| 08:28.56 | eps | etch will become stable |
| 08:29.19 | eps | and a new branch will be defined as unstable...you will stay on stable unless your sources.list says unstable instead of etch |
| 08:29.27 | dfriis | my paste is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3634 |
| 08:29.35 | cydork | sprink_: depend on what you have in sources.list. if you have etch you will have stable, if you have testing it will have testing. |
| 08:29.37 | sprink_ | the repos in my sources.list will switch to the stable repos once etch is made stable? |
| 08:29.49 | sprink_ | ah I see |
| 08:30.05 | sprink_ | neat |
| 08:30.09 | eps | mmm how do I convince xchat to send open browser pages to firefox and not the gnome browser...I have firefox set as the default browser in gnome and in it's own setting |
| 08:30.36 | dfriis | according to the creators of ispconfig I was supposed to use these commands: |
| 08:30.37 | dfriis | apt-get update |
| 08:30.37 | dfriis | apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient12-dev |
| 08:30.37 | dfriis | apt-get install apache2 apache2-doc |
| 08:30.37 | dfriis | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 libapache2-mod-perl2 php4 php4-cli php4-common php4-curl php4-dev php4-domxml php4-gd php4-imap php4-ldap php4-mcal php4-mhash php4-mysql php4-odbc php4-pear php4-xslt curl libwww-perl imagemagick |
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| 08:31.10 | dfriis | woops |
| 08:31.17 | tralala | dfriis: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 08:31.25 | dfriis | my paste kicked me :) |
| 08:31.46 | dfriis | tralala: huh? |
| 08:32.00 | dfriis | ah |
| 08:32.18 | cydork | dfriis: dont paste in here if it's more than 3 lines. |
| 08:32.38 | dfriis | I found that one out, thanks :) |
| 08:32.48 | cydork | dfriis: check ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf |
| 08:33.34 | sprink_ | man, after switching from debian, to ubuntu for a while, then to arch, now back to debian.. I realise I much I love debian :D |
| 08:33.35 | dfriis | file does not exist |
| 08:33.47 | cydork | dfriis: that's the prob. |
| 08:33.51 | dfriis | mm |
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| 08:33.56 | cydork | dfriis: do a2enmod php4 |
| 08:33.56 | dfriis | so now what? |
| 08:34.08 | cydork | dfriis: then restart apache |
| 08:34.30 | dfriis | hang on |
| 08:35.34 | dfriis | wopeedoo! |
| 08:35.45 | dfriis | starting to love you guys |
| 08:36.30 | dfriis | I just hope it all works now, since ispconfig is a bit picky when it comes to how the server is configured |
| 08:36.46 | eps | really? most new people hate this channel and those in it |
| 08:37.05 | eps | also, I demand to know who deals with gnome packaging so I can poke them nonstop until 2.16 hits experimental |
| 08:37.09 | dfriis | I just know you guys saved me from a reinstall |
| 08:37.15 | eps | :) |
| 08:37.34 | cydork | dfriis: dont know much about ispconfig. I love editing files by hand. Most of them have weird comments now :) |
| 08:37.43 | dfriis | lol |
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| 08:38.27 | cydork | !maint gnome |
| 08:38.32 | dpkg | gnome: Jordi Mallach <jordi@debian.org> |
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| 08:38.39 | cydork | eps: ^^ |
| 08:38.43 | cydork | :P |
| 08:38.49 | eps | bah he's not on irc |
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| 08:39.35 | dondelelcaro | he actually is, but you probably shouldn't bug him for stuff like that. |
| 08:39.59 | dondelelcaro | if you want 2.16 to make it to experimental, you should jump in and help out. Try joining #debian-gnome on OTFC. |
| 08:40.02 | dfriis | k, the thing that caused this crap isn't fixed though, I'll get back to you guys |
| 08:40.03 | eps | but if I push it'll get here faster! |
| 08:40.23 | dondelelcaro | eps: no, if you help it'll get here faster. If you push, you'll waste the maintainer's time. |
| 08:40.36 | eps | dondelelcaro you don't watch the simpsons do you? |
| 08:40.51 | eps | anyway, I'm happy to help in the limited ways I can...where is OTFC? |
| 08:41.10 | eps | 'if we push we'll get there faster' - home simpson ...funny in context |
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| 08:43.54 | kristalino | any teamspeak users here ? I'd like to lower the TS latency. Is it even possible ? |
| 08:44.15 | eps | kristalino yes, depending on some things...what speed connection do you have? |
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| 08:45.29 | eps | dondelelcaro there is no debian-gnome on oftc? |
| 08:45.49 | eps | and there is no otfc in my network list |
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| 08:47.36 | dusty- | Has anyone here successfully configured debian+snmpd to allow connections to the public community server? |
| 08:48.08 | dusty- | Basically I have a network monitoring system that needs snmpd open and running, and i'm having a hard time configuring it to get it to work .. the network monitoring software just doesn't see it. |
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| 08:52.44 | cydork | eps: just use irc.debian.org |
| 08:52.51 | kristalino | eps : aDSL , 2Mb (download) /512 kb(upload) |
| 08:53.40 | eps | kristalino impressive...mmm so |
| 08:53.54 | kristalino | eps, ? impossible ? |
| 08:54.05 | eps | well...you shoulnd't have any lag tbh |
| 08:54.18 | eps | how many other people are talking on the server and what compression are you using |
| 08:54.47 | eps | cydork I end up on the same server |
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| 08:58.39 | cydork | eps: same means this?? try irc.oftc.net |
| 08:59.09 | eps | cydork no, another server with another debian channel |
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| 09:01.18 | Hal9000 | heh right |
| 09:01.27 | Hal9000 | i forgot #debian should have moved to oftc.net |
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| 09:01.46 | eps | sif move it there |
| 09:01.50 | Hal9000 | but theres half the people there |
| 09:01.57 | Hal9000 | guess it didnt work out that well =) |
| 09:01.59 | eps | everything else is on freenode |
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| 09:02.11 | Hal9000 | yeah, so stupid |
| 09:02.12 | raj | how to group user on the bases of project in bugzilla |
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| 09:02.37 | eps | anyway I'm happy to give up my time/computer to play with the latest gnome updates so if some one feels like directing me to where the broken things are I'll go |
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| 09:03.48 | raj | eg user A is the member of project A if users in A group report should go to those users only |
| 09:03.53 | infernix | i've a box with 3 isp uplinks and 1 lan (4 NICs). i set up policy based routing with iproute2. i can reach all external interfaces. i have SNAT working for the local lan so NAT from inside to the internet works fine. |
| 09:04.20 | infernix | for some reason however, DNAT doesn't seem to work. the default routes on the DNAT destination machines are fine (otherwise SNAT wouldnt work). |
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| 09:04.47 | infernix | is there anything specific that needs to be done besides a DNAT rule for iproute2 setups with multiple route tables? |
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| 09:07.41 | tralala | infernix: make sure the routing box knows where to send the packets with the new destination address otherwise it will try to route it through the default gateway and the LAN will never receive it |
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| 09:09.36 | infernix | i've added routes to each (3) table for the LAN ip range. but tcpdump shows the DNATted package never leaves the LAN interface at all. |
| 09:11.15 | mooed | hey, i can't find a network script called zonk.pl, anyone knows where to get it? |
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| 09:12.49 | vorsprung | mooed, what does it do? |
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| 09:18.48 | vlt | Hello. How can I change the location of ~/.ssh? |
| 09:19.36 | handyman | sshd config |
| 09:19.47 | handyman | take a look in /etc/ssh |
| 09:20.02 | handyman | (hello) |
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| 09:21.37 | vlt | handyman: Thank you. There's an example /etc/ssh/ssh_config with "site-wide defaults", but I need it just for one user. |
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| 09:24.21 | handyman | I dont know vlt, please look at the docu |
| 09:24.57 | handyman | i guess there is .ssh_config support |
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| 09:25.08 | handyman | for each user |
| 09:25.25 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:26.17 | TrickyPhillips | join #Ubuntu |
| 09:26.26 | TrickyPhillips | Oops. Sorry. :X |
| 09:26.46 | RichiH | stone him to death! |
| 09:26.57 | TrickyPhillips | Haha. :( |
| 09:27.00 | RichiH | ;) |
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| 09:27.12 | TrickyPhillips | Debian for the server, Ubuntu for the home. |
| 09:27.15 | TrickyPhillips | That's how I roll. |
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| 09:27.44 | tolake | Question: when running mkfs on a new drive for ext3.. is it better to specify a block size for performance reasons? |
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| 09:29.22 | dfriis | what php version does sarge have as stable? |
| 09:29.35 | RichiH | !info php stable |
| 09:29.44 | dfriis | kk |
| 09:29.51 | tolake | !info php stable |
| 09:29.53 | RichiH | !tell dfriis -about pdo |
| 09:30.09 | dfriis | !info |
| 09:30.12 | dfriis | hehe |
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| 09:32.49 | cydork | !test |
| 09:32.49 | dpkg | No, cydork, you're not online any more. |
| 09:32.51 | dfriis | ok, then I have another question. I've done apt-get update but I'm told that I don't have any new packages to install. I have 4.3.10-16 |
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| 09:34.00 | dfriis | boring basic questions, huh? ;) |
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| 09:37.14 | cydork | dfriis: if you are using sarge , it's frozen so there wont be any new versions. except for some security updates |
| 09:37.41 | infernix | dfriis: www.backports.org for a newer versions, or www.dotdeb.org for LAMP specific packages. |
| 09:37.48 | Rapp | what is the EASIEST way to build a simple .deb package? never done that, usually rpm guy. :) point is: i have some tar.Z archives containing sources of some manpages plus "Imakefile"s that i want to convert to a .deb |
| 09:38.24 | jzx | ascii ananta ya? |
| 09:38.35 | cydork | Rapp: try checkinstall |
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| 09:39.23 | jzx | cydal gtu? |
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| 09:39.58 | Rapp | cydork, which package is it in? apt-cache search returns nothing |
| 09:40.02 | dfriis | cydork: yeah but debian.org says 4.4 is the stable one |
| 09:40.04 | sander_ | hi. I've found an apt-get postgresql mirror for 8.1.4.. at http://people.debian.org/~mpitt/packages/sarge-backports/ |
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| 09:40.30 | sander_ | but it dosnt work to put it in sources.list |
| 09:41.03 | sander_ | Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~mpitt/packages/sarge-backports/dists/sarge/all/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 09:41.16 | tralala | Rapp: debian packages have to comply to a very strict set of rules and it is not a trivial job to create one. On the other hand - creating a .deb file that doesn't comply to the debian policy has very limited benefits and the potential to break other packages and/or the whole distro |
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| 09:41.34 | sander_ | http://people.debian.org/~mpitt/packages/sarge-backports/Packages.gz <-- how can I get apt-get to load this package file? |
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| 09:43.15 | Rapp | tralala, i don't care, it is for inhouse use only. i need a package containing opengl manpages, and debian doesn't contain them not anymore. they dropped the man pages when switchting to x.org. |
| 09:44.12 | vlt | petemc: I created ~/.ssh/config containing the lines "Host *" and "Port 42", but ssh still tries to connect to port 22. What else do I need? |
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| 09:45.22 | vlt | petemc: w8, I think I touched the wrong ~ dir ... ;) |
| 09:45.29 | tralala | Rapp: then you can create your .deb file manully. The format is described in man 5 deb |
| 09:45.29 | petemc | vlt: you shoudlnt need anything else |
| 09:46.32 | vlt | petemc: :oops: It was in the wrong ~ dir first ... now it works. Thank you. |
| 09:46.43 | tralala | vlt: .ssh needs to have permission of 700 or ssh refuses to use it iirc |
| 09:47.45 | Rapp | tralala, thanks, i'll check that out |
| 09:47.54 | tralala | Rapp: you're welcome |
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| 09:51.54 | Trewas | the forked cdrecord displays even more disclaimers than the original, I didn't think that was possible :) |
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| 09:55.53 | tengulre11 | how to see max supported ram in my machine? |
| 09:56.16 | tolecnal | tengulre11: read your motherboard manual |
| 09:57.32 | tengulre11 | tolecna1: I want to know how many in current kernel? |
| 09:57.35 | tralala | tengulre11: alternatively add extra ram until it cannot see the new modules added |
| 09:58.00 | tengulre11 | which command can read it? or need recompile the kernel? |
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| 09:58.10 | tengulre11 | I have a 1GB phy mem |
| 09:58.20 | tolecnal | the default kernel in etch supports up to 4gb of memory |
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| 09:58.32 | tolecnal | for more memory than that, you need to recompile the kernel |
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| 09:59.22 | tengulre11 | tolecnal1: do you how to know it? |
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| 10:00.32 | TipTap | hey guys, i'm trying to install japanese language set for firefox, i've downloaded firefox-locale-ja and closed down firefox and restarted it, no joy - so i went to the preferences, and advanced, edit languages, and added ja in there, restarted firefox - still no joy, so went and got xfonts-intl-japanese, but still no joy |
| 10:01.05 | tolecnal | tengulre11: cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM |
| 10:03.08 | petemc | uuoc |
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| 10:04.04 | tralala | petemc: ah, this was exactly what I was looking for! |
| 10:04.10 | moshii | TipTap: are you running a UTF system or a normal Japanese system? |
| 10:04.39 | tralala | !uuoc tolecnal |
| 10:05.29 | TipTap | well my default locale is UK, but i want support for japanese character sets via firefox |
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| 10:05.36 | jerware_ | hi |
| 10:05.49 | jerware_ | is it possible to restart gnome with out having to reboot the entire PC ? |
| 10:06.00 | tengulre11 | tolecna1: thank you !! |
| 10:06.08 | moshii | TipTap: Does Japanese script work in other applications? |
| 10:06.09 | tralala | jerware_: yes |
| 10:06.09 | cydork | jerware_: in short yes :) |
| 10:06.36 | tolecnal | petemc: grep 'CONFIG_HIGHMEM' /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:06.43 | tolecnal | petemc: is that more to your liking? :) |
| 10:06.44 | TipTap | i've no idea, i dont have a japense script it's html wth a charset=shift_jis in there, i want support for japanese |
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| 10:06.56 | tengulre11 | #CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set |
| 10:07.20 | tralala | tengulre11: no more than 4G then |
| 10:07.22 | moshii | TipTap: No I mean can you see kana or kanji in other applications? |
| 10:07.27 | jerware_ | well how do i do that? |
| 10:07.32 | tengulre11 | yes! |
| 10:07.42 | tralala | jerware_: logout, login |
| 10:07.48 | tengulre11 | I have 2GB phy ram |
| 10:07.59 | tengulre11 | is it need setting ? |
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| 10:08.25 | tralala | tengulre11: Does your kernel see it? Didn't you just say you had 1G? |
| 10:08.52 | tolecnal | tengulre11: that line means it's _commented_ out.. meaning, it's not set in action.. there should be two lines, one before and after that commented line |
| 10:09.08 | tengulre11 | tralala, yes, I have a other 1GB ram but I haven't install it. |
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| 10:09.40 | tralala | tengulre11: don't hesitate to do it - it won't hurn anybody. |
| 10:09.50 | tengulre11 | sorry! |
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| 10:15.51 | smax | totem give me Failed to open device /dev/hdd for reading: Permission denied |
| 10:16.06 | smax | when i Move > play disc |
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| 10:16.31 | smax | other apps can read the dvd, but lags |
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| 10:17.43 | tralala | smax: you need to be in the "disk" group if you are to access the disk devices directly |
| 10:18.08 | neenaoffline | what makes /etc/lsb-release ? |
| 10:18.10 | tralala | ops, make that the "cdrom" group |
| 10:18.40 | tralala | neenaoffline: what does dpkg -S say? |
| 10:21.13 | tziku | hello, can somebody help me ? My debian can't see correct procesor and ram memory. I have a real 2Gb of ram and 3.2 Xenon and debian see only 900Mb of memory and 2.2 Intel xenon procesor...why ? |
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| 10:21.27 | Shadur | tziku: Sounds like a very old kernel |
| 10:21.55 | tziku | 2.4.27-2-386 is old ? |
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| 10:22.09 | tziku | or...already dead.. |
| 10:22.24 | neenaoffline | tralala: what's it supposed to say ? |
| 10:22.48 | cydork | neenaoffline: ask man :) |
| 10:22.53 | neenaoffline | "dpkg: *lsb-release* not found." is what it says ? |
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| 10:24.15 | tralala | neenaoffline: it's /etc/lsb-release, isn't it? |
| 10:24.18 | Shadur | tziku: That's close to archaic. What distribution are you running? |
| 10:25.14 | tralala | Shadur: it's the default sarge kernel iinm |
| 10:25.31 | tziku | where can i see ? |
| 10:25.43 | tziku | Shadda where can i see what disto i'm using ? |
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| 10:25.49 | neenaoffline | tralala: yes |
| 10:25.53 | tralala | tziku: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:26.02 | tziku | 3.2 |
| 10:26.03 | tziku | 3.1 |
| 10:26.04 | tziku | sorry |
| 10:26.16 | Shadur | tralala: Hm, so it is - at least, the default sarge 2.4 kernel. Doesn't the sarge installer go with a 2.6 kernel by default these days? |
| 10:26.43 | tralala | tziku: okay, everything is fine - you're running debian stable |
| 10:27.19 | tralala | Shadur: I think 2.4 is still the di default but I wouldn't bet my head on it |
| 10:27.28 | cydork | Shadur: nope by default it installs 2.4 |
| 10:28.06 | tralala | neenaoffline: so did you type the "/etc" in your command? |
| 10:28.06 | Shadur | cydork: Ah. I've just used a 2.6 install so long I've forgotten the 2.4's still there. |
| 10:28.10 | tziku | i don't update kernell never...so i think 2.4 is default |
| 10:28.31 | neenaoffline | tralala: uh I solved that problem , thanks :) |
| 10:28.42 | Shadur | tziku: Try installing a 2.6 kernel and see if that one gets the CPU and memory right. |
| 10:28.57 | tralala | neenaoffline: you're welcome |
| 10:29.29 | Shadur | tziku: also, get the 686 version at least - and quite probably you'll want the smp version to get benefit from hyperthreading. |
| 10:29.54 | tziku | if i install kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 must be ok ? |
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| 10:30.13 | tralala | tziku: you need kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:30.34 | tziku | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 10:30.36 | tziku | this ? |
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| 10:31.18 | tralala | either this or the -smp one if you want to use hyperthreading |
| 10:31.46 | tziku | thanks :P i will install smp |
| 10:32.03 | redloff | hi |
| 10:32.15 | redloff | how can I map remote lpt port to my local /dev/lp0 device? (I need it for HASP hardware key) |
| 10:32.58 | tralala | redloff: no, but you can use a network printer |
| 10:33.15 | redloff | for hardware key? |
| 10:34.14 | tralala | redloff: as long as the hardware key is pluged into the print server, yes |
| 10:34.41 | redloff | but the program scans /dev/lp0 for the key |
| 10:34.49 | redloff | and it's like.. not there |
| 10:35.39 | tralala | redloff: what exactly are you doing? |
| 10:35.42 | redloff | tralala, it's an old dos program, which I'm emulating with dosemu |
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| 10:36.05 | redloff | tralala, it needs hardware key plugged in LPT to work |
| 10:36.21 | redloff | and this key is plugged on a remote machine |
| 10:36.37 | tralala | redloff: so why don't you just plug it locally? |
| 10:36.38 | redloff | tralala, I want to use it on my local |
| 10:37.04 | redloff | tralala, cause it's far far away, and can't go and take it phisically |
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| 10:37.12 | antlarr | hi |
| 10:37.48 | antlarr | how can I check that the files that are on disk have not been modified with respect to what was installed by a .deb package ? |
| 10:38.17 | cydork | antlarr: check debsums |
| 10:38.30 | antlarr | thanks! |
| 10:38.56 | tralala | redloff: it might be possible to intercept the communication to lp0 and transfer it to the remote machine but I don't think you will find an existing piece of software to do that. |
| 10:39.25 | tziku | hehehhe :) thanks now see all my 4 processors :D |
| 10:39.42 | tralala | tziku: enjoy |
| 10:39.45 | redloff | tralala, isn't there anything like nbd, except for the character devices? |
| 10:39.56 | redloff | network character device? |
| 10:40.16 | redloff | hm |
| 10:40.18 | redloff | hardcore |
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| 10:41.16 | redloff | I suspect it has to be a two-way communication |
| 10:41.20 | tralala | I don't know if netcat can manage both reading and writing to the same file at the same time |
| 10:41.25 | redloff | yeah |
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| 10:42.51 | tralala | I'm not aware of such thing but then again I wasn't aware of nbd either |
| 10:43.10 | redloff | oh |
| 10:43.34 | redloff | someone told me that network character devices could be mapped via some kind of deamon |
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| 10:46.39 | tralala | redloff: It shouldn't be too difficult to write a programme that will transfer all the read/write operations from a socket to the lp0 and the other way around. |
| 10:47.03 | RobHu | I have just installed 2.6.16 on a box that had 2.6.8 on it and now at some point during bootup it reboots. Is there a way to stop it rebooting (make it hang instead for instance) so I can read what is actually happening at that point? |
| 10:48.12 | redloff | tralala, you're right it shouldn't ;] |
| 10:48.27 | redloff | unfortunatelly it is (for me :)) |
| 10:48.41 | neenaoffline | How do I change resolution of X ? |
| 10:48.43 | tralala | RobHu: boot a livecd with qemu and boot system from qemu |
| 10:48.57 | ofer0 | neenaoffline, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:49.00 | tralala | !drxx neenaoffline |
| 10:49.00 | dpkg | neenaoffline: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:49.45 | tralala | redloff: then you should push google hard until it reveals who has written something like that already |
| 10:50.04 | redloff | tralala, ok, pushung already :> thx |
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| 10:50.14 | tralala | sure |
| 10:50.17 | tarzeau | how can i get rid of frozen mails in exim? |
| 10:50.32 | tralala | tarzeau: man mailq |
| 10:51.04 | tarzeau | tralala: i did |
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| 10:51.24 | triple5 | hi, I found a very strange behaviour with firefox and Mozilla browser: when opening googlemaps.com they close. |
| 10:51.27 | tarzeau | tralala: and i don't find how to get rid of frozen mails. i know the ones that are frozen for me are spams that i just want delete |
| 10:51.34 | triple5 | anybody found this, too... |
| 10:51.52 | Fubarovic | if your /etc/debian_Version says "testing/unstable" but your sources.list says "woody" all over the place, what will an (dist-)upgrade result in ? |
| 10:52.19 | RobHu | right, I wanted panic=30 |
| 10:52.26 | cydork | Fubarovic: a broken system :) |
| 10:52.27 | tarzeau | Fubarovic: woody |
| 10:52.45 | triple5 | Fubarovic: probably not much... it wouldn't do a downgrade and no upgrade... |
| 10:53.10 | triple5 | finally a broken system... |
| 10:53.16 | triple5 | ;-) |
| 10:53.19 | Fubarovic | ;yeah, that's what i figured |
| 10:53.27 | tralala | tarzeau: how do you define "frozen"? |
| 10:53.41 | tarzeau | tralala: mailq shows them as frozen |
| 10:53.56 | tarzeau | tralala: and they are that many they need too much space, and i'd like to know how to get them rid |
| 10:54.03 | tarzeau | get rid of them |
| 10:54.10 | Fubarovic | doesn't apt keep a log of its installations/removals/ ... ? |
| 10:54.11 | triple5 | why are they in mailq? |
| 10:54.18 | tarzeau | tralala: because of spammers? |
| 10:54.24 | tarzeau | triple5: for you |
| 10:54.36 | triple5 | thanks for you too, we all get spam... |
| 10:54.50 | triple5 | I just delete it. what is your mta? |
| 10:54.50 | tarzeau | triple5: yes but where do you block it? |
| 10:54.54 | tarzeau | triple5: exim |
| 10:54.56 | cydork | Fubarovic: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:54.58 | tarzeau | triple5: spam is not my problem |
| 10:55.00 | triple5 | courier |
| 10:55.09 | tarzeau | triple5: my problem is the mails stay frozen in the que too long |
| 10:55.21 | triple5 | spamassassin |
| 10:55.23 | tarzeau | triple5: i want to know if there is an exim/mailq/whatever command to get rid of them |
| 10:55.27 | Fubarovic | wtf, dpkg.log doesn't even exit |
| 10:55.28 | triple5 | it kills them |
| 10:55.30 | tarzeau | triple5: i DO HAVE spamassassin, for my user |
| 10:55.41 | Fubarovic | i guess i'll have a word with the admin of that box |
| 10:55.47 | tarzeau | triple5: you don't listen to me |
| 10:56.16 | cydork | Fubarovic: then again it's been too long i have used woody :) |
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| 10:56.46 | triple5 | tarzeau, I just came... but when it is in mailq it means it is sent from your server... which means you are somehow an open spam relay??? |
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| 10:57.09 | tralala | tarzeau: how about exim4 -Mrm? |
| 10:57.21 | tarzeau | tralala: no i'm not someone with an open spam relay |
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| 10:57.28 | tarzeau | triple5: that was for you |
| 10:57.39 | triple5 | tralala, I am triple5 tarzeau |
| 10:57.45 | tarzeau | triple5: i have exim3 |
| 10:57.52 | tarzeau | triple5: tralala: i know |
| 10:57.55 | triple5 | update |
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| 10:58.13 | tralala | tarzeau: and you have a spammer among your users? |
| 10:58.29 | tarzeau | tralala: no, it's incoming mails |
| 10:58.29 | triple5 | how do the mails get into mailq? |
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| 10:58.40 | triple5 | I thought mailq is outgoing... |
| 10:58.46 | tarzeau | 29h 105K 1GKqpj-0000th-00 <> *** frozen *** |
| 10:58.46 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.50 | tralala | tarzeau: and they are frozen from spamassasine? |
| 10:58.55 | tarzeau | 44h 1GKcIv-0004xX-00 <> *** frozen *** |
| 10:58.55 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.03 | tarzeau | these are items from mailq |
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| 10:59.31 | tarzeau | triple5: true |
| 10:59.40 | tralala | triple5: it is. When you receive a mail it is outgoing for the user's mailbox |
| 11:00.04 | tralala | tarzeau: so does exim3 have -Mrm? |
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| 11:00.46 | triple5 | no, oh, that is weird, I would get it into the filter before then but make it not too tight, so that a reasonable amount of safety is given that users don't get their useful messages deleted... |
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| 11:03.06 | triple5 | I found this oneliner (bashscript for this purpose tarzeau:) |
| 11:03.08 | triple5 | #!/bin/bash |
| 11:03.10 | triple5 | /usr/exim/bin/exim -Mrm `mailq|egrep frozen|sed 's/... \+.... \(.\+-.\+-..\) <> .\+/\1/'|sed -e :a -e '/$/N; s/\n/ /; ta'` |
| 11:03.39 | triple5 | it looks for all mail with attribute frozen and kills it |
| 11:04.00 | petemc | mailq | awk '/frozen/{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm |
| 11:04.01 | triple5 | of course if you have exim3 it is just exim -Mrm |
| 11:04.23 | tarzeau | thanks |
| 11:04.36 | tarzeau | petemc: my hero |
| 11:04.38 | nvz | man dont you hate shit facers |
| 11:04.39 | triple5 | helped tarzeau? |
| 11:04.47 | triple5 | nvz yes |
| 11:05.02 | triple5 | spammers are a real pest.... |
| 11:05.12 | tarzeau | triple5: a bit, yes |
| 11:05.16 | nvz | when brown nosing just isnt enough.. shit facers come in to get a /head/ of the game |
| 11:05.28 | neenaoffline | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask for resolution at all :( |
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| 11:06.10 | triple5 | hey, so what is the the firefox crashing with googlemaps.com anybody found this "feature", too? |
| 11:06.59 | Rapp | i followed the debian deb building howto, and have created the DEBIAN directorie and so on. however i get this error when running dpkg-deb: tar: -: file name read contains nul character |
| 11:07.00 | nvz | triple5: nope, works for me |
| 11:07.00 | tralala | neenaoffline: try with option -plow |
| 11:07.03 | Rapp | what is causing this? |
| 11:07.15 | nvz | triple5: well actually wtf is googlemaps.com |
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| 11:07.32 | nvz | triple5: do you mean local.google.com? |
| 11:07.46 | triple5 | just type googlemaps.com... |
| 11:08.13 | nvz | triple5: redirects to local.google.com |
| 11:08.37 | triple5 | for me it works also for epiphany browser. okay, for me it redirects to maps.google.com |
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| 11:09.29 | garo | How do the following two files work : |
| 11:09.30 | garo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2006-09-07 12:49 /etc/alternatives/irc -> /usr/bin/irssi |
| 11:09.33 | garo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2006-09-07 12:49 /usr/bin/irssi -> /etc/alternatives/irssi |
| 11:09.34 | neenaoffline | tralala: does not work :( |
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| 11:12.09 | mc__ | how to find out the value for JAVA_HOME needed by Tomcat? |
| 11:12.28 | mc__ | it should be the JDK directory(i've installed sun-java5-jdk) |
| 11:12.31 | nvz | garo: both irssi and irc in etc alternatives should point to /usr/bin/irssi[-text] or whatever and that should not be a symlink |
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| 11:13.38 | triple5 | garo: irssi is a command line irc client I think |
| 11:13.40 | garo | nevermind, i didn't saw that /usr/bin/irssi pointed to /etc/alternatives/irssi, i tought it pointed to /etc/alternatives/irc |
| 11:14.10 | garo | like a circular symbolic link |
| 11:14.31 | triple5 | oh |
| 11:14.33 | tralala | neenaoffline: too bad. It could be a bug. It works in Sarge. |
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| 11:15.27 | nvz | garo: I think you are looking at this backwards or have something screwed up the /etc/alternatives are links to the binaries not vice versa |
| 11:15.30 | neenaoffline | tralala: well ,okay |
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| 11:16.05 | nvz | f512832fe4b70570686c915e060624dc /usr/bin/irssi |
| 11:16.10 | nvz | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 805452 2006-04-16 22:17 /usr/bin/irssi |
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| 11:16.38 | nvz | ii irssi 0.8.10-2 terminal based IRC client |
| 11:16.50 | tralala | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2006-05-12 11:45 /usr/bin/irssi -> /etc/alternatives/irssi |
| 11:17.11 | tralala | sarge |
| 11:17.13 | cydork | tralala: sarge? |
| 11:17.15 | cydork | oh ok |
| 11:17.32 | cydork | nvz: etch? |
| 11:17.38 | cydork | :) |
| 11:18.33 | nvz | tralala: maybe on sarge its a symlink chain that goes from /usr/bin/irssi -> /etc/alternatives/irssi -> /usr/bin/irssi-text but in any case no package should have a binary in /etc/ and a symlink to it in /usr/ that shit just doesnt fly |
| 11:18.43 | nvz | cydork: yes |
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| 11:19.43 | nvz | listen here ph00 |
| 11:19.47 | nvz | heh |
| 11:20.26 | ph00 | hey nvz |
| 11:20.37 | ph00 | what |
| 11:20.51 | nvz | just sounded cool to say |
| 11:20.58 | triple5 | I have a problem with audio... I have installed it for gnome so that it works with my account, but other users can't listen to it. they get a message from Totem that this file is for audio output only but that there is no audio device... |
| 11:21.25 | nvz | triple5: did the users get added to the audio group? |
| 11:21.37 | nvz | triple5: also are we talking simultaniously? |
| 11:21.55 | triple5 | do they have too? no only for the GUI... |
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| 11:22.07 | triple5 | Gnome or KDE... |
| 11:22.18 | triple5 | only one at time... |
| 11:22.21 | tralala | triple5: only if they want to use the audio capabilities |
| 11:22.46 | nvz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 2005-02-26 01:39 /dev/audio |
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| 11:22.54 | nvz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 19 2005-02-26 01:39 /dev/dsp1 |
| 11:22.56 | triple5 | tralala... course they want... but isn't that automagically so? |
| 11:23.17 | nvz | notice the audio devices arent read.write unless you are root or in the audio group |
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| 11:23.51 | triple5 | so what if I chmod them? works? |
| 11:23.57 | tralala | triple5: no, by default a newly created user is not a member of any group but her own |
| 11:24.06 | nvz | dont be stupid, just add the users to the group |
| 11:25.13 | triple5 | by adding the users to the group they have to be added manually any time I create a new user... I can do that automatically though, just I forgot that debian is meant to run on a server where most users can't get audio... |
| 11:25.23 | triple5 | I used ubuntu once, damn them... |
| 11:25.34 | triple5 | makes hackers stupid... |
| 11:25.41 | petemc | dont be daft |
| 11:25.48 | triple5 | oops, sorry, |
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| 11:28.18 | Fubarovic | i've got a strange situation |
| 11:28.22 | triple5 | sorry I mentioned the u-word, i feel the icy silence |
| 11:28.30 | triple5 | Fubarovic what |
| 11:28.31 | Fubarovic | all the sources in sources.list say "woody" |
| 11:28.39 | triple5 | so change them... |
| 11:28.40 | Fubarovic | but debian_version ssays it's testing/stable |
| 11:29.03 | Fubarovic | if you add a backports repo, will that change the debian_version? |
| 11:29.08 | Fubarovic | (testing/unstable i meant) |
| 11:29.09 | triple5 | this is okay, have you ever done apt.get dist-upgrade? |
| 11:29.22 | Fubarovic | it's not my box and it's the first time i logged in |
| 11:29.46 | Fubarovic | it's a production server so i'm not really comfortable upgrading if i don't know it won't break everything |
| 11:29.53 | cydork | Fubarovic: try dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 11:30.11 | Fubarovic | version 2.2.5-6 |
| 11:30.59 | triple5 | I would change the sources.list to stable so you will stay in stable... maybe the admin before you changed it from woody to some more advance version without using the apt-utility... |
| 11:31.01 | arisv | after doing the classic, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to unstable, I get this message: "modprobe warning error inserting genrtc, /lib/modules/2.6.8-2.386/kernel/drivers/char/genrtc.ko) |
| 11:31.03 | Fubarovic | that's from oldstable |
| 11:31.17 | arisv | also, ifconifig does not work and so do the other services (sshd, etc) |
| 11:31.21 | arisv | any ideas? |
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| 11:31.34 | pygi | hello folks :) |
| 11:31.45 | Fubarovic | i'm wondering: is this debian install so ancient that when it was installed, woody was actually the testing/unstable branch? |
| 11:31.57 | triple5 | that is possible, you have to use ifconfig instead of ifconifig... |
| 11:32.11 | cydork | Fubarovic: that might be sarge but not sure ask tralala he has sarge. |
| 11:32.11 | triple5 | ;-) |
| 11:32.11 | arisv | triple5: ok hehe |
| 11:32.16 | arisv | I mean "ifconfig" :) |
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| 11:33.04 | tralala | !break |
| 11:33.04 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 11:33.14 | triple5 | if you move to unstable it means that it could become unstable... (old chinese wisdom) |
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| 11:33.50 | tralala | dpkg: bot snack |
| 11:33.51 | dpkg | tralala: aw, gee |
| 11:34.08 | triple5 | arisv: at least you get to keep the pieces... |
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| 11:34.27 | arisv | heh |
| 11:34.36 | triple5 | but the good news is that you can fix it again... |
| 11:34.44 | triple5 | just don't ask me how... |
| 11:34.55 | jaski | Hi there, I'm running a 2.3.27-3-386 kernel on an elderly Celeron (Mendocino) 367 MHz machine w. 127MB RAM and 2 x 4.5 GB disk. The CD drive is R/O :-( Now to the problem: the sound card is something the win98 disk can use and calls "AZT1022." I googled for "+"azt1022" +"linux 2.4" +driver" and found only "lxr.hilug.org/source/sound/isa/ad1816a/ad1816a.c" but had to use the cached copy, which appears to be for a 2.6.0 kernel. Can anybody help, please? |
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| 11:36.32 | jaski | Sorry, my kernel is of course a 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 11:36.32 | cydork | jaski: 2.3.27?? |
| 11:36.40 | cydork | hehhe |
| 11:36.45 | jaski | :) |
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| 11:37.18 | cydork | jaski: what does lspci, hwinfo,lshw say? |
| 11:37.52 | SmokeyD | Hi does anybody know if it is possible to mark a pacakge in apt/dpkg/aptitude as being installed without actually installing it. I've installed a package from source (compiled it myself) and want to make sure that apt(itude) does not install an older version of this package in order to fulfull dependencies |
| 11:38.34 | SmokeyD | since the dependency is already fulfilled, only apt/dpkg/aptitude just doesn't know it |
| 11:38.44 | jaski | cydork: lspci doesn't mention an sound device and I don't have hwinfo or lshw |
| 11:39.34 | jaski | cydorK: btw, the card is in the (only) ISA slot |
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| 11:40.42 | cydork | jaski: hehe no wonder lspci doesn't show anything :) |
| 11:41.10 | ofer0 | I want to mount an EXT3 partition, so regular users can write and read from it. How to do it? |
| 11:41.21 | jaski | cydork: just going to check for the other 2 progs in aptitude |
| 11:41.50 | tralala | ofer0: mount it and chmod the mount point to whatever is appropriate |
| 11:42.15 | tralala | or mount it with mode option |
| 11:42.18 | ofer0 | tralala, can't mount do it manually? |
| 11:42.33 | tralala | ofer0: eh? |
| 11:42.35 | ofer0 | tralala, I just mode option? |
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| 11:42.45 | ofer0 | tralala, oops - what is mode option? |
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| 11:42.57 | tralala | ofer0: why don't you start by reading the manual? |
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| 11:43.07 | ofer0 | tralala, I read the manual, and I still can't do it |
| 11:43.13 | ofer0 | tralala, I've also searched google |
| 11:43.50 | ofer0 | tralala, in the manual, they didn't say anything about ext2/3 groupid or any other solution. that's why I ask you |
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| 11:45.14 | tralala | ofer0: ok, just chmod it then |
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| 11:45.32 | cydork | jaski: i haven't used 2.4 kernel in a long time so try this grep -i "ad1816a" /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 11:45.38 | gowriganesh | i'm using gvm1.2 and pmount 0.8. gconf is marked with autorun. Iam not able to autorun the CD when i insert into the drive |
| 11:45.43 | ofer0 | tralala, okay, thanks. |
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| 11:47.35 | jaski | cydork: No ad1816a there. I've already tried insmod ad1816 - with and withhout "options=1" |
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| 11:49.22 | gowriganesh | hi anybody there to help me out how to autorun the CD in debian stable |
| 11:49.30 | cydork | jaski: time to upgrade kernel?? :P |
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| 11:50.52 | jaski | cydork: which kernel do you suggest? (i only have 360368 1K blocks free (including kernel src) |
| 11:51.17 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 11:51.28 | Alexismoy | Anybody have got a problem with logrotate? |
| 11:51.35 | petemc | no thanks |
| 11:52.51 | cydork | jaski: kernel src?? |
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| 11:53.53 | jaski | cydork: I was thinking of recompiling with the driver from google - until I realised it was for 2.6.0 |
| 11:54.21 | cydork | jaski: remove the src and you will have enough space :P |
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| 11:58.05 | jaski | cydork: Aptitude offers many 2.6x kernels. Which one is appropriate for a tired old celeron? |
| 11:58.31 | peppet | jaski: 686 flavour |
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| 11:59.00 | nStensen | hi all, Im trying to use mkinitrd on a debian sarge system.. The current kernel is 2.6.12.4, and Im trying to get 2.6.8 to boot.. but when running mkinitrd it complains about "find: /lib/modules/2.6.12.4/kernel/drivers:" |
| 11:59.01 | nStensen | any ideas ? |
| 11:59.43 | cydork | jaski: sarge? |
| 12:00.32 | jaski | cydork: Yeps. But why would the AD1816 driver run better with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:00.43 | jaski | peppet: Thanx. |
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| 12:02.39 | tralala | nStensen: try to reconfigure the kernel-image package. This should create an initrd image |
| 12:02.57 | cydork | jaski: it wasn't there in 2.4 right? you checked it |
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| 12:03.51 | jaski | cydork: It IS there - I just get 14 or 15 unresolved syms when I insmod it |
| 12:04.42 | nStensen | tralala: I'll try it now .. thanks |
| 12:04.44 | cydork | !insmod |
| 12:04.44 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 12:04.50 | cydork | jaski: ^^ :) |
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| 12:05.13 | jaski | cydork: ??? |
| 12:05.20 | cydork | jaski: modprobe |
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| 12:06.07 | jaski | cydork: should I still use "options=1"? |
| 12:07.00 | cydork | jaski: yes you can use module parameters |
| 12:07.33 | jaski | cydork: trying hard ... just a tic |
| 12:07.57 | cydork | jaski: tic ?? |
| 12:08.19 | simonrvn | tic toc tic toc ...etc. |
| 12:08.35 | cydork | hehe |
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| 12:09.21 | jaski | cydork: as in click ticks |
| 12:10.45 | cydork | jaski: hey m goin for food, let me know what happens. |
| 12:11.08 | jaski | cydork: it failed, with the following lines in dmesg: "isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...", "isapnp: Card 'AZT1022 PnP SOUND DEVICE'", "isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total", "ad1816: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones...", "ad1816: dma, dma2, irq and io must be set." |
| 12:11.36 | jaski | [curses, just missed him!]\ |
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| 12:12.41 | RvGaTe | This is fun, i need to write a paper for school... "Components... what are they?" lol... need to define all network components... switch/bridge/hub etc etc... |
| 12:13.07 | Ronin | RvGaTe: that could keep you busy for a while |
| 12:13.30 | nStensen | tralala: still cant find it anywhere ... |
| 12:14.31 | RvGaTe | Ronin, according to the task, i need to define 7 things: router, bridge, hub, gateway, switch, patch panel and access point... :P |
| 12:14.46 | tralala | nStensen: /boot? |
| 12:15.07 | nStensen | nope .. im gonna try to reinstall the kernel |
| 12:15.59 | tralala | nStensen: are you using a debian kernel image? |
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| 12:17.30 | Kurtism | is uicn.net down? |
| 12:17.58 | tralala | !ping uicn.net |
| 12:18.50 | tralala | now it is |
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| 12:26.46 | jaski | I'm running a 2.4.27 kernel on old Celeron h/w, and trying to do "modprobe ad1816" (with and without "options=1") for an AZT1022 sound card, but it fails, with the following lines in dmesg: "isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...", "isapnp: Card 'AZT1022 PnP SOUND DEVICE'", "isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total", "ad1816: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones...", "ad1816: dma, dma2, irq and io must be set." Can anyone tell me where to find this info |
| 12:26.46 | jaski | (i.e. dma, dma2, irq and io)? |
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| 12:32.00 | enouf | jaski - try assigning ISA stuff an irq and resources in the BIOS setup |
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| 12:34.01 | jaski | enouf: Is there any way of doing this without a reboot? |
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| 12:35.13 | naranha | is gnome 2.16 in experimental yet? |
| 12:35.25 | naranha | (the final version) |
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| 12:39.44 | triple5 | I gotta go, thanks for all support, call me if I can help.. ;-) |
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| 12:41.30 | jaski | Does anyone know a a utility for poking around in the BIOS under linux? (2.4.27 kernel), 367MHz Celeron machine) |
| 12:44.43 | Ronin | jaski: ya reboot and hit the necessary key and your in the bios |
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| 12:45.21 | jaski | Ronin: I feared as much, thanx anyway. |
| 12:45.39 | jaski | See ya, folks, and thanx for help |
| 12:46.10 | eml | Hi. I need to be able to keep the permission-flags 777 on /var/www, _always_.. If I just do chmod -R 777 /var/www any new-made folder will not have the same permissions... I also chowned it.. What should I read up about? |
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| 12:48.11 | simonrvn | eml: better is to set a group and set the perms for that. 777 you're just asking for trouble |
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| 12:49.05 | eml | simonrvn, Okay, so "chown -hR root:dev /u" would give permissions for all users in the group dev and root, right? |
| 12:49.40 | gimmulf | Hi, i want to install ruby but when i run apt-cache-search ruby versions like 1.6 and 1.8 shows up, but how do i know if its 1.8.4 or 1.8.3 version? |
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| 12:49.52 | eml | simonrvn, I doubt that that's enough tough |
| 12:50.29 | simonrvn | eml: yes. and what do you mean 'enough tough'? |
| 12:50.30 | vorsprung | gimmulf, apt-cache show ruby-1.8 |
| 12:50.37 | gimmulf | thanks vorsprung |
| 12:50.54 | eml | simonrvn, apache2 and php need's write and read access on it too |
| 12:51.16 | simonrvn | this is what the group perms and membership are for |
| 12:51.28 | eml | Mmkay |
| 12:51.33 | sohmestra | eml: there's no way to propigate world permissions that I know of, but you could setuid or setgid so that all new files/folders are created with the same owner and group |
| 12:51.46 | simonrvn | setgid is enough usually |
| 12:52.10 | eml | Is that an independent command? |
| 12:52.12 | sohmestra | eml: all you need is write permission for www-data, if you want apache to have write permission |
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| 12:52.49 | simonrvn | setuid i'm hesitant to suggest or use that for world - i mean literally world - accessible files |
| 12:52.53 | eml | sohmestra, Yeah, but I'm just not clear on how to do this.. I've always found permissions a bit messy to be honest |
| 12:52.59 | simonrvn | eh, no. make another group |
| 12:53.03 | E-bola | Im trying to find out if a server has an ide controller, do anybody have a sugestion to how i can determine that? |
| 12:53.18 | eml | simonrvn, I know I'm being a bitch but.. could you explain a bit more? |
| 12:53.30 | simonrvn | addgroup foo |
| 12:53.44 | simonrvn | man adduser; man addgroup |
| 12:54.44 | sohmestra | eml: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/10862-linux-file-permissions.html |
| 12:54.56 | gimmulf | how do i make an dpkg package of program which i need to compile from source? |
| 12:54.59 | sohmestra | eml: that might be helpful. |
| 12:56.17 | sohmestra | gimmulf: try this guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
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| 12:56.58 | gimmulf | sohmestra: thnx |
| 12:57.01 | stew | eml: you need to set the group sticky bit so that group ownership is inherited, and you need to make sure that when people/processes create files there they have umask set to 002 not 022, "/msg dpkg Permissions" and read the url in there |
| 12:57.07 | twobitsprite | !ping |
| 12:57.07 | dpkg | pong |
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| 12:57.13 | klikklak | When I try to connect to an existing desktop via VNC X crashes. Has anyone else had this problem? |
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| 12:58.38 | klikklak | perhaps it's because vnc driver is meant for xfree while I use xorg? |
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| 13:05.34 | Flype | how is it possible to block someone for 5 minutes, who connects on an othere port than 22 und 80 |
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| 13:10.32 | dareth | I installed Ldap, slapd ldap-utils on Sarge.... Setup a test user, but I don't think I set the password right... what do I use to set passwords after the fact,,, ldappasswd ? |
| 13:11.55 | Edward_TLS | you guys know what will be faster.. a 7200rpm sata 2 disk or a 10K sata1 disk |
| 13:12.49 | E-bola | last one if u ask me |
| 13:13.04 | E-bola | depends a bit on whaty u do though |
| 13:13.10 | E-bola | sata2 has some extra tricks to speed up stuff |
| 13:13.20 | E-bola | but a raw bigfile transfer the 10k disk will win |
| 13:13.29 | fireba11 | the later by far ... |
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| 13:14.43 | gimmulf | i downloaded ruby thru apt-get install ruby1.8 but after it cant find the command ruby |
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| 13:17.14 | cydork | gimmulf: try ruby1.8 |
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| 13:17.47 | simmerz | where can i globally add to the PATH var? |
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| 13:18.59 | cydork | simmerz: /etc/profile |
| 13:19.31 | simmerz | cydork: thanks |
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| 13:26.23 | blondie | HI ABROT-MAN |
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| 13:29.45 | xcyborg | I was wondering: does conntrack_ftp need to be manually loaded or it is automatically loaded by the kernel on demand ? |
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| 13:30.28 | rhsanborn | Does anyone here use dd to clone drives? |
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| 13:31.34 | rhsanborn | We have a number of different desktop setups, and I'd like to keep multiple partitions on a single, master drive, and then clone the appropriate partition to a new drive when neccesary... |
| 13:32.11 | bofh80 | rhsanborn, have you looked at partimage? |
| 13:32.31 | rhsanborn | bofh80, no, I will though. Thanks |
| 13:32.36 | bofh80 | rhsanborn, old, but very nice :) almost like Ghost if that's what your after |
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| 13:32.51 | rhsanborn | bofh80, exactly what I'm after, thanks |
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| 13:34.11 | bofh80 | rhsanborn, you can use it just client side and save it to a network share, or you can run the actual server, for multicasting images etc, and backuping up to that instead of disk. i just prefered using the client, not the server. |
| 13:34.18 | Flype | how is it possible to block someone for 5 minutes, who connects on an othere port than 22 und 80 |
| 13:34.56 | rhsanborn | bofh80, We get workstations in small batches, the client will be perfect |
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| 13:37.16 | rhsanborn | bofh80, thanks |
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| 13:39.23 | sohmestra | do macros _not_ get expanded in exim transports? |
| 13:39.28 | jelly | jair, hi. Yes, I'm both jelly-home and jelly, one is at work one at home. |
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| 13:43.28 | mrvnr | Are there any Debian python maintainers here? If not, does anyone know where they hang out? |
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| 13:44.55 | jetscreamer | teh mailing listy |
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| 13:49.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: you should report what you found out to the #362897 briquolo bug |
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| 13:50.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't find anything concrete yet .. they're complaining about GLX issues |
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| 13:50.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: the /dev/mixer shouldn't cause a crash afaict |
| 13:50.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it does? |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | (unless something is trying to write to it) |
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| 13:50.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you run etch right? |
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| 13:51.44 | abrotman | !maint python-2.3 |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | !maint python-2.4 |
| 13:51.54 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:52.06 | abrotman | !maint python2.4 |
| 13:52.08 | abrotman | stupid dash |
| 13:52.13 | dpkg | python2.4: Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> |
| 13:52.24 | abrotman | mrvnr: no .. i don't think he hangs out in here |
| 13:52.51 | mrvnr | thx |
| 13:52.55 | abrotman | mrvnr: why? |
| 13:53.37 | mrvnr | I have a package dependency question. I wanted to know if it was intentional before I filed a bug. |
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| 13:54.34 | mrvnr | python-configlet (2.4) depends python2.3-configlet, which depends python (<2,4). |
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| 13:54.56 | mrvnr | This makes python-configlet uninstallable if python is 2.4 |
| 13:55.26 | abrotman | ok .. wait |
| 13:55.48 | abrotman | python-configlet-2.4 depends on python2.3-configlet .. which depends on 2.4 ? |
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| 13:56.01 | abrotman | !depends python-configlet sid |
| 13:56.01 | Weedy_lappy | less then 2.4 |
| 13:56.07 | dpkg | python-configlet: depends on python2.3-configlet |
| 13:56.22 | abrotman | !depends python2.3-configlet sid |
| 13:56.28 | dpkg | python2.3-configlet: depends on python (>= 2.3), python (<< 2.4), python2.3-gtk2, python2.3-gnome2, python2.3-glade2, debconf (>= 1.0), debconf-utils, imagemagick, gksu | gnome-sudo |
| 13:56.33 | abrotman | mrvnr: that's probably intentional |
| 13:56.46 | abrotman | mrvnr: i suspect the first is a metapackage of sorts |
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| 13:57.02 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know a good channel for latex question? |
| 13:57.17 | Weedy_lappy | #latex ? |
| 13:57.29 | Knight_Lord | thanks |
| 13:57.39 | abrotman | mrvnr: apt-cache show python-configlet .. note the part about "dummy package" |
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| 13:58.28 | Flype | how is it possible to block someone for 5 minutes, who connects on an othere port than 22 und 80 |
| 13:58.29 | mrvnr | yes, but python-configlet (=2.4) depends on python2.3-configlet. Shouldn't python2.3 and python2.4 both be installable at the same time? |
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| 13:59.08 | abrotman | mrvnr: python-configlet is a dummypackage .. that just happens to have 2.4 has its version number |
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| 13:59.24 | mrvnr | If so, python2.3-configlet should depend on python2.3 rather than python (>=2.3, <2.4) |
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| 14:00.06 | abrotman | mrvnr: it could be python2.3.1 or such |
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| 14:01.04 | magoarix | hello everyone |
| 14:01.11 | magoarix | do anyone of you know the reason why my cdrom reads only dvds and not cds? |
| 14:01.16 | abrotman | hi dr neal |
| 14:01.26 | abrotman | wait . that's not his name |
| 14:01.59 | magoarix | i cannot explayn this behaviour |
| 14:02.07 | mrvnr | I understand. but localeconf (0.9.4.1, sarge, unstable) suggests python-configlet (I only see 2.4 in unstable, nothing in sarge). |
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| 14:02.28 | abrotman | it's not in sarge |
| 14:02.29 | dusty- | Hey guys if i install an app, then rm -rf the dirs it installed and apt-get remove it, if i install it again it does not re-create the directories etc, how can i force it to rebuild it all and create the neccessary directories? |
| 14:02.48 | Syphon | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 14:03.08 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 14:03.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 14:03.16 | mrvnr | python (>=2.3, <2.4) is exactly python2.3, IIUC |
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| 14:03.56 | abrotman | mrvnr: it would be 2.3.2 or 2.3.0 or 2.3.0 but not 2.4 |
| 14:04.04 | abrotman | erm .. or 2.3 |
| 14:04.19 | abrotman | so 2.3 or 2.3.x is fine .. not 2.4 |
| 14:04.31 | mrvnr | But using the dependency python (>=2.3, <2.4) means that you are requiring python2.3 to be the _default_ python. |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | yep |
| 14:04.40 | abrotman | and? |
| 14:04.46 | abrotman | i don't think the python transition is done yet |
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| 14:06.10 | mrvnr | Anything that requires python (>=2.3, <2.4) is uninstallable if you have upgraded python to 2.4, whereas requiring python2.3 allows that package to coexist with python2.4 (as long as python2.3 is also installed). |
| 14:06.30 | eleftherios | anyone knows which package provides the mysqli PHP5 extension on Etch? |
| 14:06.59 | mrvnr | Okay, so shouldn't the python2.3-configlet dependency be python2.3? |
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| 14:07.17 | Bombo | anyone knows if the backports berkeley db package (db4.4-util 4.4.20-2bpo1) is buggy? i can just db4.4_upgrade db files to version 7 while newly created db files are version 8? |
| 14:07.42 | abrotman | mrvnr: then file a bug .. the DD will tell you if you're right or wrong |
| 14:07.52 | mrvnr | k. thx. |
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| 14:08.06 | abrotman | i think the actions are correct |
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| 14:08.30 | Bombo | anyone that has berkeley db4.4-util installed please get this file: http://84.60.202.203/db/foo.db.gz and run "db4.4_upgrade foo.db; file foo.db" and paste me the version number please |
| 14:08.41 | peppet | eleftherios: php5-mysql |
| 14:09.00 | abrotman | peppet: does it have mysqli extensions though ? |
| 14:09.13 | abrotman | eleftherios: packages.debian.org/php5-mysql .. see if it says |
| 14:09.40 | peppet | abrotman: I think so |
| 14:09.51 | eleftherios | peppet, no, that is for mysql extension, not mysqli. |
| 14:09.51 | abrotman | i thought those were restricted |
| 14:10.43 | abrotman | there is pear-db |
| 14:12.20 | Supaplex | And there's http://search.cpan.org/perldoc/DBI :P |
| 14:12.47 | pavlix | hello, do you know about a cheap virtual server hosting just for testing purposes? |
| 14:12.48 | eleftherios | no I am looking to use mysqli in particular |
| 14:12.53 | pavlix | in Europe |
| 14:13.03 | Supaplex | pavlix: localhost? |
| 14:13.19 | pavlix | Supaplex: I don't have a good internet connection |
| 14:14.22 | pavlix | Supaplex: I have several linux machines at home but.... I'd like to have one on "real" internet :-) |
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| 14:15.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes? |
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| 14:15.38 | tarzeau | i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 14:15.56 | tarzeau | those in #nvidia ? |
| 14:16.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: not you |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: i thought you couldn't get nvidia working on linux ? |
| 14:16.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: said who? |
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| 14:17.06 | tarzeau | i've got ati and nvidia drivers working fine on linux, x86 |
| 14:17.19 | abrotman | then why are you always using windows ? |
| 14:17.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm using linux again |
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| 14:17.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: the nvidia drivers crash though with my 2.4.33.2 (not so with older nv/linux versions) |
| 14:18.03 | abrotman | not nv .. i want nvidia |
| 14:18.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: yea i meant nvidia |
| 14:18.13 | tarzeau | but it's a pain to write |
| 14:18.20 | tijn | hehe |
| 14:19.33 | Flype | how is it possible to block someone for 5 minutes, who connects on an othere port than 22 and 80 using iptalbes? |
| 14:20.22 | Fox | abrotman: I run sid and use nvidia drivers, why ? |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | Fox: test briquolo for tarzeau! |
| 14:20.52 | Fox | test what ? :) |
| 14:21.20 | Fox | ok, it's a game |
| 14:21.38 | Fox | I'll try that tonight (I'm french) and I'll let you know :) |
| 14:21.49 | eleftherios | is anyone here using the mysqli (please note the 'i') in Etch? If yes, how did you get it installed? |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | Fox: let tarzeau know |
| 14:22.12 | Fox | If I'm lucky I'll play it on a brand news 22" wide TFT screen |
| 14:22.21 | Fox | abrotman: sure |
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| 14:25.16 | Oath | !ndiswrapper |
| 14:25.16 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is probably a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 14:25.41 | abrotman | Fox: warnning .. it's fun :) |
| 14:25.44 | Oath | !ndiswrapper-one-liner |
| 14:25.50 | abrotman | !tell Oath about msg the bot |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | !tell oath about ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 14:26.45 | Fox | abrotman: no problem, I have spare time in the evening, and if it's really fun my girls will play this week-end :) |
| 14:26.48 | aalex | Hi all |
| 14:26.53 | Oath | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 14:26.53 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 14:26.55 | abrotman | Fox: it's a Breakout type game |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | Oath: msg the bot already |
| 14:27.08 | Fox | abrotman: yeah, I had a look at the screnshots |
| 14:27.12 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:27.34 | aalex | On Debian unstable, where is the file or symlinks (?) ton configure the daemons at startup ? I want to disable some. |
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| 14:27.46 | infernixx | aalex, man update-rc.d |
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| 14:28.02 | infernixx | and what was that other tool, hmm |
| 14:28.21 | neenaoffline | how do I check the exact version of debian ? |
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| 14:28.31 | aalex | neenaoffline, uname -a |
| 14:28.51 | aalex | infernix, yeah, symlinks, thanks |
| 14:28.57 | peppet | eleftherios: if it's only for calling stored procedures, you don't need it, so is in my case |
| 14:29.02 | infernixx | aalex, apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:29.11 | cydork | aalex: or rcconf |
| 14:29.14 | neenaoffline | aalex: that does not give debian version ... |
| 14:29.41 | cydork | !tell neenaoffline about version |
| 14:29.45 | infernixx | neenaoffline, cat /etc/debian_version. or check /etc/apt/sources.list. or dpkg -s libc6. |
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| 14:30.58 | mcm | is it possible to get somehow the first installation date of the system? |
| 14:31.11 | infernixx | yeah, sort of. |
| 14:31.15 | eleftherios | peppet, no I do things like this: http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=2533 |
| 14:31.28 | mcm | not the kernel compile date or when the /etc/debian_release was created or last changed... |
| 14:31.30 | infernixx | mcm: ls -al /var/log/base-* |
| 14:31.47 | eleftherios | peppet, and in any case, mysqli is an important extension I wonder how Debian PHP5 users cope... |
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| 14:32.28 | mcm | infernix: no such file.... |
| 14:32.48 | infernixx | mcm: older debian boxes, ls -la /var/log/installer* |
| 14:33.41 | mcm | infernix: that could be true... Nov. 2003. |
| 14:34.08 | mcm | and since then running unstable... pretty impressive... |
| 14:34.08 | kingsley | "play" and "festival" say they can't open /dev/dsp. "play" says "Device or resource busy", but running "lsof | grep -i dsp" as root reports nothing. |
| 14:34.14 | kingsley | Suggestions? |
| 14:34.24 | mcm | infernix: thank you very much. |
| 14:34.27 | cydork | kingsley: fuser /dev/dsp ? |
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| 14:36.57 | iturk | hi there !! Is there anyone that uses google Earth. My is freezing during the logo screen. Did someone had the same problem or know any link that may help ?? |
| 14:37.03 | kingsley | cydork: Trying fuser was a good idea, but it also reports no accessors. |
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| 14:41.47 | cydork | kingsley: /dev/dsp exists? check cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp as root too |
| 14:42.45 | peppet | kingsley: try dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsp |
| 14:43.34 | kingsley | cydork: Yes, /dev/dsp exists, and "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" reports "bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy". |
| 14:43.38 | CHodapp | iturk, you running on |
| 14:43.38 | CHodapp | w |
| 14:43.41 | CHodapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.07 | iturk | CHodapp: its a beta version for linux |
| 14:44.11 | kingsley | peppet: "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsp" also reports "dd: opening `/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy". |
| 14:44.13 | CHodapp | ok |
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| 14:44.53 | cydork | kingsley: did it ever worked before?? |
| 14:45.40 | kingsley | cydork: Yes, it has worked for years, and seems to have stopped for no apparent reason. |
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| 14:49.16 | RobHu | Is MySQL 4 still available through apt in testing? I can only see MySQL 5... am I being a dunce? What's the package name? :-) |
| 14:49.56 | kingsley | cydork: It seems that firefox was using alsa, which blocked /dev/dsp. killing firefox solved the problem. |
| 14:49.58 | mrvnr | iturk: Google earth works fine for me. |
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| 14:50.45 | cydork | kingsley: run alsaconf again? |
| 14:50.52 | iturk | mrvnr: maybe is because of my graphic card: Sis. But in Windows works fine why doesnt work in linux ?? |
| 14:50.55 | mrvnr | iturk: dpkg -l gives version 4.0.1660-1 |
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| 14:51.14 | iturk | GNU/Linux 4.0.1693 |
| 14:51.17 | RobHu | Is MySQL 4 still around in Debian? |
| 14:51.31 | CHodapp | mrvnr, I'm using it in a chroot, but the graphics it's displaying are screwed up |
| 14:51.37 | mrvnr | Yes, graphics driver is highly suspect. |
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| 14:52.13 | iturk | mrvnr: well in Bill Gates windows works pretty fine !! |
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| 14:52.44 | mrvnr | I've got a Dell Insp E1705 w/nVidia GeForce Go 7800 |
| 14:52.46 | cydork | iturk: ask google then |
| 14:53.29 | iturk | http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html -> from here should not be so much problem i think the configuration should match !! |
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| 14:53.39 | RobHu | Do I need to get MySQL 4 from the MySQL website? Is it not in debian anymore? |
| 14:53.48 | mrvnr | I'm running the nVidia drivers (mix of free parts and non-free) |
| 14:54.00 | cydork | !tell RobHu about search |
| 14:54.07 | CHodapp | mrvnr, it doesn't like me, anytime I move a window on top of it, it leaves giant grey areas that it won't draw in. |
| 14:54.14 | RobHu | cydork: Yeah I already did that |
| 14:54.23 | RobHu | cydork: I can't see MySQL 4 - seems really strange that it would be dropped though |
| 14:54.30 | petemc | 4.1 is there |
| 14:54.36 | RobHu | cydork: as not everything works with MySQL 5 |
| 14:54.41 | RobHu | petemc: I can't see it with apt-cache search |
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| 14:54.54 | petemc | i can, on a sid box |
| 14:55.02 | RobHu | sid... thats stable right? |
| 14:55.04 | RobHu | This is testing |
| 14:55.06 | petemc | unstable |
| 14:55.11 | iturk | cydork: if someone can send a nice link about this problem i would really apreciate |
| 14:55.19 | RobHu | oh |
| 14:55.22 | RobHu | Then it should be around |
| 14:55.28 | RobHu | petemc: What is the package name on sid? |
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| 14:55.41 | petemc | mysql-server-4.1 |
| 14:55.41 | mrvnr | iturk: when I started it up a few minutes ago, I tried to move it during its initialization, and the graphics froze. I killed it and restarted it (waiting for initialization to complete) and it worked fine. |
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| 14:56.18 | mrvnr | iturk: I can move it around, and move things on and off it, and it still works. |
| 14:56.27 | RobHu | petemc: Yeah its there... now why couldn't I find that hmm |
| 14:56.45 | iturk | mrvnr: my doest go further than the logo screen |
| 14:57.01 | RobHu | petemc:e.g. its not listed here http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mysql&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all or with the equivalent apt-cache search |
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| 14:57.10 | RobHu | petemc: Is there some kind of hidden packages thing? |
| 14:57.19 | mrvnr | iturk: bummer |
| 14:57.49 | petemc | RobHu: apt-cache search mysql shows it here |
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| 14:58.23 | cydork | petemc: not on etch |
| 14:58.42 | petemc | i believe ive already stated im using sid.. |
| 14:59.04 | cydork | petemc: oh i missed that :) |
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| 14:59.47 | GothicWeirdo | Hi all. I am using proftpd 1.2.10 in debian sarge.When i try to connect to server some time ftp connection is not connecting when i try 2nd or 3rd time it will connect.Why it is not connecting always.I believe connection is droping. |
| 15:00.36 | w1w1t0m1 | hello, can anybody give me advice which content management system uses only php (not requires database access) |
| 15:01.22 | w1w1t0m1 | I found some with google but dont know if they are good choice |
| 15:02.13 | eps | erm I don't think moodle uses a db...though it is really for teachers |
| 15:02.59 | RobHu | petemc: not here it doesnt |
| 15:03.16 | RobHu | petemc: I get mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 and then newpki-server |
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| 15:03.54 | cydork | RobHu: because you have etch |
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| 15:05.23 | RobHu | I dist upgraded to testing though... |
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| 15:06.13 | cydork | RobHu: etch=testing , it's in sid/unstable |
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| 15:06.40 | RobHu | sorry I'm confused. I used the etch beta 3 netinst image, and then changed my apt sources from etch to testing... so am I running testing now? |
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| 15:07.04 | nvz | hmm cp "${x}*" "foo/" doesnt seem to work like I think it will. its like * isnt being seen as a wildcard |
| 15:07.07 | RichiH | !etch |
| 15:07.07 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 15:07.20 | RichiH | RobHu: at this time etch == testing |
| 15:07.50 | RobHu | So now I'm running testing then why didn't I see mysql-server-4.1 with apt-cache search mysql ? |
| 15:08.39 | e-type | why is checkinstall not in testing? I know a bot has the answer, but not sure how to get it out ;) |
| 15:09.05 | abrotman | !why is checkinstall not in testing |
| 15:09.06 | dpkg | checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=checkinstall |
| 15:09.21 | e-type | abrotman: :) |
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| 15:09.42 | abrotman | e-type: stow also exists |
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| 15:10.56 | nvz | the stow is where you get your isleys chipped chopped ham innat |
| 15:11.42 | tuv | iturk, were you looking into google earth? |
| 15:12.18 | iturk | tuv: yes directly into the source i still couldnt find a faq about it or something related !! |
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| 15:12.58 | tuv | iturk, well i don't know much about it, but i just installed it on my etch and it worked just fine |
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| 15:14.57 | iturk | maybe i should install it has root |
| 15:15.23 | iturk | tuv: in order to have access to some stuf |
| 15:16.01 | tuv | iturk, i installed it as a regular user on my home |
| 15:16.21 | iturk | tuv: me too but it freezes i will try root |
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| 15:20.57 | ton | i check in my log somethings about martin source 192.168.2.1 from 192.168.2.177 on dev eth0 printk 5 messages supressed what does it mean ? |
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| 15:27.59 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 15:28.58 | gypsymauro | I'm searching a full backup solution for a server, there is a doc on debian way to do this? |
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| 15:34.37 | bintut | i'm wondering why i don't have an output for "lo" when i executed "ifconfig" command |
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| 15:35.02 | Faithful | I have heard reports of considerable speed increases under 2.6.17 are the roumors true? |
| 15:35.30 | garo | bintut: try the '-a' option |
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| 15:36.45 | abrotman | Faithful: might want to ask #kernel |
| 15:36.55 | garo | Is there something like a 'securing debian checklist' ? |
| 15:37.04 | bintut | garo: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RGXVHI87.html |
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| 15:37.15 | abrotman | i see an 'lo' |
| 15:37.22 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 15:37.22 | dpkg | securing debian is, like, at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 15:37.27 | hawke | Hi there ... where can I find a debian woody CD image |
| 15:38.11 | abrotman | you really want woody? |
| 15:38.11 | hawke | yes |
| 15:38.12 | abrotman | i mean .. it's old .. and no more security support |
| 15:38.12 | bintut | abrotman: but it doesn't point to 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:38.12 | Ronin | hawke: you know its not supported any longer |
| 15:38.12 | hawke | I know |
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| 15:38.33 | abrotman | hawke: which arch? |
| 15:38.34 | garo | bintut: and what happens when you run 'ifconfig lo up' |
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| 15:38.46 | hawke | I'm not looking for support, I'm looking to build old versions of linuxbios that won't build with current gcc/binutils |
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| 15:38.53 | hawke | abrotman: i386 |
| 15:38.58 | abrotman | hawke: http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r6/jigdo/i386/ |
| 15:39.00 | garo | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:39.12 | abrotman | hawke: you could use a chroot instead ... |
| 15:39.31 | abrotman | or qemu .. if that works |
| 15:39.33 | hawke | abrotman: I'd still need to install from something |
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| 15:39.50 | abrotman | hawke: yeah .. but the floppies are way more fun! :) |
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| 15:40.34 | kenro | Cain Debian deal with scsi software raid by itself, or do you still need to reformat the array's componant drives? |
| 15:40.34 | bintut | garo: it goes ok now. but i'm wondering why it was down.. |
| 15:40.59 | abrotman | kenro: eh .. rephrase |
| 15:41.10 | jirihavelka | how can i check if my 3D acceleration is working properly, when i want to run glxgears or glxinfo : command not found ??? |
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| 15:41.30 | abrotman | it's in mesa-utils now |
| 15:41.33 | abrotman | !glxgears |
| 15:41.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 15:41.44 | jirihavelka | thanks |
| 15:41.45 | hawke | abrotman: lol -- I remember installing slink from floppy ... |
| 15:41.53 | ton | what does martian source mean ? i checked it in log |
| 15:42.30 | abrotman | hawke: i remember installing woody from floppy .. on alphas :) |
| 15:42.56 | hawke | ouch. :-D |
| 15:43.22 | hawke | thanks for the link, by the way. Does Debian not have them archived anywhere? |
| 15:43.32 | abrotman | !archive |
| 15:43.32 | dpkg | methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:43.41 | abrotman | they archive packages .. not installers |
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| 15:43.59 | abrotman | at leats .. i don't think they do |
| 15:44.07 | kenro | abrot: Do you still need to reformat your raid'ed hdd's, as you are creating a raid array, or is there a truly software based technique that Debian uses? |
| 15:44.14 | abrotman | oh .. i lied |
| 15:44.41 | abrotman | kenro: you have what is now a hwraid scsi logical drive .. and you want to use swraid .. and you want to know if you have to format ? |
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| 15:45.19 | garo | bintut: probably wrong module unloaded, with some luck the logs know it |
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| 15:46.11 | bintut | garo: ok.. |
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| 15:47.08 | kenro | abrot: ldp tut says to use a technique (set of commands and such) in setting up a raid array, which was warned will wipe my main hdd. |
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| 15:48.19 | kenro | abrotman: linux document project tutorial |
| 15:48.27 | abrotman | kenro: yes .. it will .. is that not what you want ? |
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| 15:49.30 | eleftherios | does anyone know why php5-mysqli package is missing? |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | because mysql sucks |
| 15:49.53 | abrotman | eleftherios: afaict .. there isn't a mysqli package in debian at all |
| 15:49.59 | abrotman | DaBlade: use pgsql! |
| 15:50.14 | eleftherios | abrotman, yes there is not. But there should be one. |
| 15:50.19 | DaBlade | abrotman: I'll use whatever is easiest and least troublesome. |
| 15:50.30 | kenro | abrotman: linux document project tutorialnow I know I really should mirror my 3.5-4 gig and set up the array in a different userspace. |
| 15:50.31 | abrotman | eleftherios: i think the licensing is restrictive |
| 15:50.43 | eleftherios | abrotman, I think it is all GPL. |
| 15:50.43 | abrotman | kenro: back up your data if it's important |
| 15:50.54 | abrotman | eleftherios: then contact the php5 maintainer and ask why |
| 15:51.16 | abrotman | eleftherios: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320835 |
| 15:51.32 | eleftherios | I probably will, I thought I should ask in here first in case some good man knows :-) |
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| 15:52.18 | kenro | I think it's critical. Effect would be rm -rf / :) As I say, it's a 4 gig main drive and a 30-40 gig extension. |
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| 15:53.09 | kenro | abrotman: Prolly should be linear array, right? RAID0? |
| 15:53.23 | abrotman | i don't use raid0 .. i have no idea how important your data is |
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| 15:54.30 | kenro | abrotman: As I just said, I think it's critical. Effect would be rm -rf / :) As I say, it's a 4 gig main drive and a 30-40 gig extension. |
| 15:54.40 | eleftherios | abrotman, I read it all. The maintainer is simply not responding to this... |
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| 15:55.32 | evilgod | What could be the reason as to why /etc/bash.bashrc isn't run when I connect to a shell via ssh? |
| 15:55.55 | evilgod | Would I need to restart the SSH daemon? |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | eleftherios: well .. you can ask someone to perform an NMU if you like .. |
| 15:56.23 | abrotman | eleftherios: OR .. you can create your own php5-mysqli (separate from php5-mysql) and look for a sponsor |
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| 15:57.13 | eleftherios | abrotman, what is an NMU? I can create a php5-mysqli and probably ask a friend who's a DD to sponsor it. |
| 15:57.21 | nixy | hey guys im having trouble with my ethernet going off randonmly during the day... on a server this gets quite annoying |
| 15:57.23 | abrotman | eleftherios: that's one way |
| 15:57.24 | abrotman | !nmu |
| 15:57.25 | dpkg | i guess nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 15:57.41 | abrotman | nixy: check the cable |
| 15:57.47 | garo | What's the difference between 'recommends' and 'suggests' ? |
| 15:57.48 | evilgod | Anyone have an idea on my bash startup question? |
| 15:58.01 | nixy | haha good one abrotman |
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| 15:58.09 | kenro | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 15:58.51 | nixy | it is actually the ethernet lights going off, as well as I have a pbx phone card in there that also turns off, and i have to reboot |
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| 15:59.33 | garo | evilgod: |
| 15:59.34 | garo | # To enable the settings / commands in this file for login shells as well, |
| 15:59.34 | garo | # this file has to be sourced in /etc/profile. |
| 15:59.53 | abrotman | nixy: i wasn't joking |
| 15:59.54 | nixy | im hoping someone has heard of this cause i cant find ANY errors being logged anywhere and its driving me nuts |
| 15:59.59 | evilgod | garo: Ah, thank you. But it is sourced when I start a non-login shell |
| 16:00.15 | abrotman | nixy: if the lights giong off .. you're losing link |
| 16:00.21 | nixy | it can't be the cable cause other PCI cards also are affected, not just ethernet |
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| 16:00.33 | abrotman | you didn't mention that part! |
| 16:00.34 | nixy | if it was just losing link, then tehre would be logs |
| 16:00.41 | nixy | yup i did look up :P |
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| 16:00.52 | Spec | My python2.3 won't thread with NPTL, how can I make it thread with NPTL? |
| 16:00.58 | abrotman | in ubuntu ? |
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| 16:01.35 | abrotman | nixy: i thought the pbx card was part of the ethernet thing |
| 16:02.05 | abrotman | nixy: have you tried other kernelds ? |
| 16:02.08 | abrotman | kernels |
| 16:02.16 | nixy | yes |
| 16:02.28 | nixy | problem came out of nowhere, wasnt doing anything on the server |
| 16:02.33 | nixy | ran fine for about 7 months |
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| 16:02.43 | gypsymauro | I've a problem with tar on tape (/dev/st0) it starts even if the tape isn't there.. |
| 16:02.46 | abrotman | and you didn't change anything! |
| 16:02.56 | abrotman | gypsymauro: well don't do that! |
| 16:03.10 | nixy | like there were some debian/stable updates recently that screwed up mysql but that was about it |
| 16:03.24 | abrotman | you mean for r3 |
| 16:03.52 | abrotman | i don't think it's normal for the PCI bus to go out ... |
| 16:04.19 | nixy | yea.. i havent had a monitor hooked up directly, but since its not logging a thing i think its actually hanging at that point |
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| 16:06.15 | nixy | this is what I get for buying a via-chipset mobo |
| 16:06.35 | kenro | abrotman: Oh, almost forgot... tut says to make a raid array device, but I cannot figure out which directory. When I try (mkraid md0) in /dev, it says it doesnt know how. |
| 16:07.00 | nixy | abrotman: you know any way I can enable some intense logging to try to catch something when it fails? |
| 16:07.33 | abrotman | kenro: the installer should do it for you if you ask |
| 16:07.45 | kenro | nixy: tail -vvv? |
| 16:07.46 | abrotman | nixy: with the kernel ? check the syslog.conf .. maybe |
| 16:08.16 | abrotman | nixy: are you sure it's not a hardware issue ? |
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| 16:08.26 | abrotman | nixy: is the video or anything else on the PCI bus ? |
| 16:08.29 | abrotman | well .. duh |
| 16:08.32 | abrotman | but i mean in a slot |
| 16:08.36 | nixy | video onboard, ethernet onboard |
| 16:08.41 | kenro | abrotman: huh? install mdadm? |
| 16:08.55 | mhall | kenro: what are you trying to do raidwise |
| 16:09.06 | abrotman | kenro: you're going to have to be very explicit about what your'e diong and where you are in the install .. i don't use swraid |
| 16:09.11 | abrotman | or ask mhall |
| 16:09.14 | mhall | kenro: i've just gotten done setting one up a few weeks ago so this is fresh in my brain |
| 16:09.18 | abrotman | nixy: so the onboard NIC goes out too ? |
| 16:09.26 | nixy | yea |
| 16:09.34 | abrotman | and the PBX is a PCI card? |
| 16:09.37 | nixy | yea |
| 16:09.42 | abrotman | but AGP video keeps going ? |
| 16:10.03 | nixy | havent checked that yet |
| 16:10.04 | mhall | kenro: i will warn you though, i never did figure out how to do it in the debian installer. my advice is to put the os on a hardware mirrored array, so you don't need any config, then use software raid 5 for data |
| 16:10.11 | abrotman | (and yes .. AGP is on the PCI bus) |
| 16:10.11 | nixy | headless server |
| 16:10.14 | abrotman | nixy: ah ok |
| 16:10.36 | abrotman | nixy: uhm .. this pretty weird .. any way you can RMA the board? |
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| 16:10.47 | abrotman | nixy: or maybe a BIOS update! .. that never fails to go wrong! |
| 16:11.11 | mhall | nixy: what's the board doing wrong |
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| 16:11.29 | abrotman | mhall: looks like his PCI devices are just shutting off |
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| 16:11.53 | abrotman | nixy: are you sure the system has enough juice to power it all ? |
| 16:11.53 | kenro | whall abrotman: I have a used (nee free) OLD laptop with a 3.5-4 gig harddrive. I have a 40 gig pci harddrive converted to usb ext hdd. I want to use both, with divested (multi-partition) file system. |
| 16:12.01 | mhall | abrotman: that's real weird |
| 16:12.02 | nixy | it ran fine for like 6-8 months |
| 16:12.07 | abrotman | mhall: i agree :) |
| 16:12.22 | mhall | nixy: thing is, power problems can creep up slowly because supply units are analog |
| 16:12.23 | abrotman | kenro: oh .. you want both drives as one big drive .. you want LVM .. |
| 16:12.40 | mhall | nixy: i had one that worked 6-8 months and then starting arbitrarily rebooting a system |
| 16:12.43 | abrotman | kenro: but it's an external drive. . that sounds bad |
| 16:12.51 | abrotman | erm .. sounds like a bad idea |
| 16:13.24 | mhall | kenro: i don't recommend that configuration |
| 16:13.34 | nixy | well when the PCI goes off, it still runs, i dont know in what state but im pretty sure its hanging |
| 16:13.48 | kenro | abrotman: What's the diff between lvm and raid (I know the letters involved.) |
| 16:13.53 | mhall | kenro: when one drive screws up you'll lose a lot of data |
| 16:14.12 | yome | I have a stupid question, so I'd appreciate being directed to the relevant documentation: if I'm currently running a 'stable' system, and I want to upgrade a single package to the version that is in 'testing', what would be the "right" way to do this? |
| 16:14.19 | mhall | kenro: personally i've found lvm is not very useful without an lvm-capable file system |
| 16:14.22 | kenro | whall: Ah. Right. So striped raid, then? |
| 16:14.47 | kenro | Maybe not... |
| 16:14.53 | mhall | kenro: the more sophisticated lvm allows you to have arbitrary upsize and downsize of an fs |
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| 16:15.05 | mhall | kenro: but you can't shrink and grow unless the fs on the lvm allows it |
| 16:15.12 | mhall | kenro: the linux ones available right now don't. |
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| 16:15.35 | mhall | kenro: but if you get lvm on a solaris system with a san, you can resize filesystems on the fly while the system runs with no unmounting |
| 16:15.45 | mhall | kenro: hopefully some day the linux one will allow this |
| 16:16.05 | mhall | kenro: meanwhile until they do that, most people are better off with md. multidisk device. |
| 16:16.17 | mhall | kenro: and, in your case, the setup you are thinking is very dangerous. |
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| 16:16.31 | nixy | I can't RMA anything, i may have to buy a new mobo |
| 16:16.35 | kenro | lvm or raid, already? |
| 16:16.44 | mhall | kenro: a safer bet would be installing all of the OS in the laptop's drive, and loading up your homedir onto the external drive |
| 16:16.44 | Baughn | Is there some reason X -configure fails due to glide drivers missing when I don't have a glide-capable card? |
| 16:17.01 | mhall | kenro: an OS install for an old laptop should fit in 4-5 gigs even with a lot of shit installed |
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| 16:17.22 | tziku | hello, how can i run /etc/auto when system start ? |
| 16:17.34 | kenro | whall: How about putting /usr or /usr/bin, also, in ext? |
| 16:18.33 | yome | How to upgrade a single package in a 'stable' installation to its 'testing' version? |
| 16:18.44 | yome | Do I have to update my system to 'testing'? |
| 16:18.58 | yome | Pointer(s) to documentation would be appreciated. |
| 16:19.09 | Baughn | yome: apt-get -t install package |
| 16:19.16 | Baughn | yome: er, -t testing |
| 16:19.23 | cahoot | backport? |
| 16:19.42 | kenro | yome: edit /etc/apt/sources... or something. You want full upgrade? |
| 16:19.47 | Baughn | yome: (Depends on your having stuck testing sources in sources.list and set stable to the default distribution) |
| 16:20.11 | kenro | sources.list right |
| 16:20.27 | nixy | if i swap a mobo, to one with a different chipset... will debian freak out |
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| 16:20.48 | Baughn | nixy: Probably not. It's a kernel issue, really. |
| 16:21.15 | nixy | yea I thought so, just wondering cause there is way too many things installed to deal with |
| 16:21.29 | yome | Baughn, excellent. |
| 16:21.33 | Baughn | nixy: It's not an issue. Just make sure your kernel can handle both MBs before you switch. |
| 16:22.07 | mhall | kenro: you really should be able to fit the install on the laptop HD |
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| 16:24.57 | w3rdn4 | how do I uninstall all alsa junk? |
| 16:25.19 | kenro | whall: Fair enough, but is it safe to run emulated terminals and such (for my own reasons, not that I really need to, but mught be interesting to try, piping my host through an emulated mainframe server... or running game servers/net servers? Is this safe? |
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| 16:26.29 | mhall | kenro: try it and find out |
| 16:26.41 | mhall | kenro: you could have installed debian and several apps on it by now |
| 16:26.55 | mhall | kenro: it's simple, just press enter, uparrow, and downarrow a lot |
| 16:27.25 | tziku | hello, how can i run /etc/something when system start ? ?? |
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| 16:27.46 | mhall | tziku: just log in when it's started and type /etc/something ? |
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| 16:28.09 | cydork | !tell tziku about startup |
| 16:28.12 | tziku | yes...is a simple script |
| 16:28.23 | mhall | tziku: just kidding; the right way is to use /etc/init.d/skeleton and update-rc.d |
| 16:28.31 | mhall | !tell me about startup |
| 16:28.35 | kenro | whall: I know this. I said in terms of security. Is it safe to run... whatever kind of service from /usr/bin partition? |
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| 16:28.52 | nixy | lol, the latest BIOS update is called: 0401 Stabilize onboard lan. |
| 16:29.06 | mhall | kenro: that question doesn't make much sense |
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| 16:29.12 | tziku | thanks cydork :) i got ideea :D |
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| 16:29.29 | mhall | kenro: the security isn't based on where it's at, but how it's coded |
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| 16:29.49 | mhall | and for the love of god kenro it's mhall *NOT* whall! |
| 16:30.01 | mhall | whall is my evil twin from hell |
| 16:30.10 | mhall | he runs windows, not debian |
| 16:30.37 | kenro | mhall: um... Get a better font. :) |
| 16:30.50 | mhall | !murder kenro |
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| 16:31.16 | kenro | Sorry |
| 16:31.38 | mhall | kenro: lol it was a joke. you need to get out more. |
| 16:31.58 | nixy | laff |
| 16:32.37 | mhall | nixy: thanks for the comedic support :-) |
| 16:33.20 | kenro | actually, My bedroom underlooks the stars. I might need to get in more often. ;) |
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| 16:33.38 | mhall | kenro: that's pretty sweet actually |
| 16:33.43 | mhall | kenro: skylight or ... ? |
| 16:33.58 | kenro | Openair... tent. |
| 16:34.43 | nixy | what is this trailer park boys w/ computers running debian living in tents |
| 16:35.07 | kenro | nixy: maybe close |
| 16:35.53 | mhall | lol that's hilarious |
| 16:36.03 | kenro | Anyway... logical volume manager, not multidisk admin. Right? |
| 16:36.09 | mhall | kenro: where in the world are you living that you live in a tent |
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| 16:36.29 | mhall | kenro: why oh why must you do a setup that complex and dangerous |
| 16:36.43 | garo | How long would it take to sync a clock 5 minutes behind with ntp (the program,not the protocol) ? |
| 16:37.11 | kenro | mhall: RAID'ed lappys are out, then? |
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| 16:37.45 | mhall | kenro: well the problem is, your volumes are not the same size, and any external interface besides SCSI and eSATA isn't safe for RAID |
| 16:38.03 | mhall | kenro: if you lose connections or have glitches it could zero out a good portion of your array |
| 16:38.06 | rock_feng | help,i forgot a command line volume control tool's name |
| 16:38.19 | cahoot | amixer |
| 16:38.21 | cydork | rock_feng: alsamixer |
| 16:38.24 | rock_feng | not alsamixer not amixer |
| 16:38.30 | mhall | kenro: and unless you use mirroring that's real bad. raid's not meant for flaky connections, it's meant for occasional disk crashes |
| 16:38.41 | kenro | mhall: Like, if I had to boot up without the ext hdd? |
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| 16:39.21 | rock_feng | when with no args it just display current level |
| 16:39.31 | kenro | mhall: Like, if I had to boot up without the ext hdd? It would wreck the array? |
| 16:39.36 | cahoot | amixer |
| 16:39.37 | groogs_ | I'm having issues with openvpn: openvpn server (192.168.0.10) is on a LAN behind a router (192.168.0.1). openvpn server can access the internet (gateway 192.168.0.1).. openvpn client can access the openvpn server (10.8.0.1 and 192.168.0.10), but nothing else (not the gateway 192.168.0.1 or the rest of the internet, or anything on the LAN). any ideas? |
| 16:39.38 | mhall | kenro: *yes* |
| 16:39.52 | kenro | Ah |
| 16:39.56 | rock_feng | cahoot: anymore? |
| 16:39.58 | mhall | kenro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
| 16:39.59 | kenro | lvm then |
| 16:40.05 | mhall | kenro: no, no lvm either |
| 16:40.06 | miro | Hello im new here , i'm looking for a command that will show me active processes. |
| 16:40.16 | cahoot | rock_feng: not if you use alsa |
| 16:40.18 | jelly | I'm creating a local repository, what's the manual that describes the Release file format? |
| 16:40.23 | mhall | kenro: anytime you have one FS across multiple drives, it's not gonna work without all the multiple drives |
| 16:40.28 | groogs_ | miro: ps ax, ps aux, top ... |
| 16:40.33 | mhall | kenro: i'm tired of explaining it and i have to go to work |
| 16:40.49 | mhall | good luck. i give up. |
| 16:40.52 | kenro | OK I've allready learned that an fstab entry, should I boot up without, won't wreck me... |
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| 16:41.09 | mhall | NOT always true |
| 16:41.15 | mhall | depends on what kind of FS it is |
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| 16:41.27 | mhall | and depends on what data is on it |
| 16:41.29 | miro | groogs_: tnx |
| 16:41.35 | kenro | Bah. Go to work. I'll figure it out. |
| 16:41.47 | rock_feng | mayby it start with set*** |
| 16:42.26 | kenro | mhall: Thanks for the caveats, though. |
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| 16:44.12 | Spec | What version of NPTL does sarge use? |
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| 16:45.07 | kenro | abrotman: Have you anything to add to mhall's warnings? |
| 16:45.12 | cydork | hey is there another tool for mirroring ftp sites, which is scriptable. for now i am using lftp. |
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| 16:46.21 | pickcoder | cydork: wget can mirror |
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| 16:48.07 | cydork | pickcoder: i tried that, and lftp has job control and hell lot of other stuff. |
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| 16:49.44 | groogs_ | cydork: curl? |
| 16:50.35 | cydork | groogs_: curl doesn't have many features.. |
| 16:50.46 | pickcoder | can you ssh into the remote? |
| 16:51.04 | cydork | pickcoder: nope.. |
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| 16:51.07 | groogs_ | ok. i've only ever used it as a library :p |
| 16:51.22 | cydork | pickcoder: only ftp. |
| 16:52.01 | cydork | and the problem is the files can exceed 1-2GB . |
| 16:52.03 | pickcoder | cydork: ftpmirror |
| 16:52.08 | pickcoder | ftpgrab |
| 16:52.21 | pickcoder | mirrot |
| 16:52.25 | pickcoder | r/t/r |
| 16:52.47 | pickcoder | cyrdork: apt-cache search mirror |
| 16:52.49 | pickcoder | :P |
| 16:52.56 | cydork | pickcoder: hmm perl .. |
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| 16:53.18 | kenro | Any advice on which hostAP to use? |
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| 16:53.58 | kenro | They're all for Prism2 chipset, right? |
| 16:54.01 | jaski | Hi folks, can someone please tell me which I/O addrs. are needed when doing "modprobe ad1816" and how to pass them to modprobe, if possible? |
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| 16:54.56 | jaski | I'm running a 2.4.27 kernel |
| 16:54.56 | kenro | jaski: modconf will allow extra cli flags... |
| 16:55.19 | jaski | kenro: what's the syntax, please? |
| 16:55.40 | cydork | jaski: no luck yet? |
| 16:56.12 | pickcoder | cydork: yeah, you could use NET::FTP and manage your own dir cache |
| 16:56.25 | pickcoder | cydork: or you could try an existing tool that will do it for you |
| 16:56.45 | kenro | jaski: eg, modconf will ask... x Please enter any command-line arguments for the airo module. Many modules can autoprobe and do not x require additional parameters. |
| 16:56.49 | abrotman | kenro: things break! |
| 16:57.03 | cydork | pickcoder: yes i could try that :P but not yet :) |
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| 16:57.27 | kenro | abrotman: Things always break. Question is how recoverable. ;P |
| 16:57.39 | bodydrop | fstab information is on /etc/fstab as usual or somewhere else? |
| 16:58.11 | abrotman | kenro: have a backup :) |
| 16:58.12 | pickcoder | bodydrop: ls /etc/fstab |
| 16:58.13 | jaski | cydork: Hi again. Limited luck "peppet" told me to reserve the appropriate DMA and IRQ' in the BIOS - now done. Still working on I/IO addrs. |
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| 16:58.37 | bodydrop | pickcoder, i'm not using debian. is it, or isnt it? :D |
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| 16:58.42 | jaski | kenro: Sorry, I read modprobe 1st time - now trying modconf ... |
| 16:58.43 | kenro | abrotman: That's why I'm NOTNOTNOT using sid on an old lappy. |
| 16:58.57 | pickcoder | bodydrop: that's classified |
| 16:59.00 | abrotman | but you wanted to use RAID0 .. which isn't real RAID |
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| 16:59.10 | pickcoder | bodydrop: seriously.. it's in /etc |
| 16:59.31 | kenro | abrotman: Temperary insanity. I'm cured, now. |
| 16:59.36 | bodydrop | hehe, k. my buddy is having trouble finding it... |
| 16:59.40 | bodydrop | no prob then |
| 16:59.53 | pickcoder | bodydrop: maybe it got removed? |
| 17:00.05 | cydork | jaski: oh ok. |
| 17:00.32 | redloff | hi, I emulate an old dos program with dosemu, in program, there are nice ASCII frames, but when I print somehing from that program, I get ugly characters instead of frames, what is responsible for that matter and what should I do? thx in advance |
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| 17:01.03 | pickcoder | redloff: maybe it's printing extended ASCII? |
| 17:01.18 | redloff | pickcoder, how can I check/change it? |
| 17:01.20 | pickcoder | redloff: are you using a "text only" printer driver? |
| 17:01.30 | kenro | abrotman: I think I'll just use all my external harddrives, now and future, for nnon-native compiling (eg lfs) and media/pic files... |
| 17:01.36 | bodydrop | pickcoder: probable... |
| 17:01.38 | bodydrop | :D |
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| 17:01.53 | bodydrop | he was logged as root so... |
| 17:02.03 | kenro | abrotman: And win/cedega... |
| 17:02.18 | redloff | pickcoder, no, it's hpijs - HPLIP 0.9.7 |
| 17:02.56 | pickcoder | redloff: redirect the printer output to a file and look at it |
| 17:03.12 | pickcoder | redloff: before cups/lpr |
| 17:03.35 | kenro | abrotman: Thanks. Now I have a way to store those blender and povray files. ;) |
| 17:03.36 | redloff | pickcoder, hm, ok, just a sec |
| 17:03.49 | pickcoder | *lprng |
| 17:03.56 | abrotman | kenro: yay? :) |
| 17:04.24 | kenro | yeah |
| 17:06.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:06.28 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:06.52 | kenro | abrotman: But how do I obfuscate while hacking secret, quintuply blacliced Illuminati hosts, without all those multiple-partition filesystems? |
| 17:07.00 | kenro | Don't answer that. |
| 17:07.30 | abrotman | kenro: encrypted filesystems |
| 17:07.47 | redloff | pickcoder, there are frames when I view printed document inside dosemu, but from console it looks ugly |
| 17:07.49 | jaski | kenro: just installed modconf but still getting "ad1816: dma, dma2, irq and io must be set." as the last line in dmesg. My azt1022 is, however, found. |
| 17:07.53 | kenro | abrotman: Ah. Simplicity itself. |
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| 17:09.26 | jaski | cydork: Did you get my /msg this afternoon (here in Denmark)? |
| 17:09.35 | kenro | jaski: Not familiar with those drivers/modules. As just pointed out, since modconf lets you pass parameters, simplicity is good. :) |
| 17:09.39 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom ²... bye :] |
| 17:09.48 | cydork | jaski: not actully .. |
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| 17:11.15 | pickcoder | redloff: that's expected if you're using a tty term |
| 17:11.47 | redloff | pickcoder, no, I use xterm |
| 17:11.54 | kenro | abrotman: so (not, considering my present skill level, would I dream of doing it) it's not the host you need to protect, so much as the packets themselves. |
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| 17:12.22 | pickcoder | redloff: does your printer driver have an option for "assume unknown data is text"? |
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| 17:12.50 | redloff | pickcoder, you mean, in it's driver? |
| 17:13.03 | jaski | kenro: The only address info I have is from a sysinfo report obtained under win98. It shows 5 address ranges for the azt 1022; 0200-0207 for gameport, 0220-022F for Audio device, 0330-0331 for MPU-401 dev., and 0388-038B and 0560-056F for Audio dev again. |
| 17:13.09 | pickcoder | redloff: yes |
| 17:13.30 | redloff | pickcoder, no, it doesn't |
| 17:13.45 | kenro | abrotman: I think it obvious, if I need to ask, I don't need to do. I'm just considering scenerios. |
| 17:14.10 | pickcoder | redloff: hmm.. the driver should support all us-ascii chars by default |
| 17:14.21 | jaski | cydork: I'm sending this to you, too. The only address info I have is from a sysinfo report obtained under win98. It shows 5 address ranges for the azt 1022; 0200-0207 for gameport, 0220-022F for Audio device, 0330-0331 for MPU-401 dev., and 0388-038B and 0560-056F for Audio dev again. |
| 17:14.35 | redloff | pickcoder, how bout translating all 'A' to '-' and '$' to '|' and so on... ? |
| 17:14.42 | redloff | is that logical/possible? |
| 17:14.48 | ph00 | anyone knows where to get kvpnc-devel? I tried googling, I tried the #kvpnc channel, nothing |
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| 17:15.19 | abrotman | kenro: to hide your data ? |
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| 17:16.09 | pickcoder | redloff: can you put that printer output on an ftp server or something? |
| 17:16.33 | kenro | abrotman: Hide my data? Who cares? If I were to try that, David Icke proves that no one listens, anyway. |
| 17:16.35 | cydork | jaski: what does modinfo say about the module? just interested in what are the options |
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| 17:16.38 | redloff | pickcoder, yes, wait |
| 17:17.58 | kenro | abrotman: But I gotta go for now. bbl |
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| 17:19.13 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:19.16 | jaski | cydork: It gives a list of "parm:" lines. Do you want to see them? |
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| 17:20.46 | cydork | jaski: paste them in a paster. |
| 17:20.48 | cydork | !paster |
| 17:20.48 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:20.51 | cydork | jaski: ^^ |
| 17:21.33 | redloff | pickcoder, http://black.bee.pl/redloff/wydruk.txt |
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| 17:22.16 | gtise | bonjour à tous |
| 17:22.29 | abrotman | !fr |
| 17:22.29 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:23.15 | gtise | sorry ... |
| 17:23.18 | gtise | Hello |
| 17:23.19 | pickcoder | yeah that's extended ASCII |
| 17:23.38 | redloff | so now what :) ? |
| 17:24.01 | pickcoder | redloff: you may have to modify your inkjet driver's charset |
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| 17:24.16 | pickcoder | redloff: if it's using Latin-1 then it won't print the right chars |
| 17:24.16 | redloff | pickcoder, how do I do that? |
| 17:24.42 | redloff | pickcoder, it can use Latin-1 or Mazovia or "Emulate" :| |
| 17:24.42 | pickcoder | redloff: on cups, I have no idea |
| 17:24.51 | redloff | heh |
| 17:24.58 | pickcoder | redloff: everything is magicfilter crap these days |
| 17:25.04 | zzer | when i 'startx' i get API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.8774, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same version module! ...how can i fix this? |
| 17:25.32 | pickcoder | redloff: you do have cups installed, right? |
| 17:25.45 | redloff | pickcoder, yes |
| 17:25.52 | pickcoder | redloff: http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/dosemu.html |
| 17:26.01 | pickcoder | scroll down to the "what works and what doesn't" section |
| 17:26.07 | pickcoder | there's info on changing the filter's charset |
| 17:26.11 | pickcoder | to PC-DOS |
| 17:26.23 | jaski | cydork: its at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3643 |
| 17:26.41 | pickcoder | mayone someone else here can help you with the cups filter |
| 17:26.49 | pickcoder | s/mayone/maybe |
| 17:26.57 | pickcoder | or see if there's a #cups channel |
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| 17:27.28 | pickcoder | redloff: if it was a laser printer, I'd say just setup a text-only driver |
| 17:27.46 | pickcoder | redloff: your inkjet may work that way too, so it's worth a try |
| 17:28.00 | pickcoder | redloff: just don't try to print bit maps to it |
| 17:28.02 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:28.41 | redloff | pickcoder, I have a laser printer |
| 17:28.47 | redloff | hp 3055 |
| 17:28.49 | pickcoder | redloff: there you go |
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| 17:29.00 | pickcoder | redloff: setup an "lpDOS" printer with a text-only driver |
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| 17:29.19 | pickcoder | redloff: if that doesn't work then you'll have to determine which charset the driver is using and change |
| 17:29.22 | redloff | pickcoder, I don't know how to pick a text-only driver |
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| 17:29.52 | pickcoder | redloff: if you're using X, you should have a printer control panel |
| 17:30.17 | redloff | pickcoder, yes, there is.. I use ubuntu which cofigured my printer by default |
| 17:30.59 | redloff | pickcoder, have to go, emergency situation, please write any thing you could think of, that could help |
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| 17:31.26 | redloff | pickcoder, I will be back within 2 hours, thanks a lot for all the help |
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| 17:32.10 | pickcoder | redloff: you really should be asking this stuff in #ubuntu |
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| 17:32.28 | pickcoder | redloff: ubuntu != Debian |
| 17:32.49 | Heston | ubuntu == shit |
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| 17:33.29 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 17:33.51 | infernix | i have 2 listening ports that don't show which application is bound to them with netstat -nap. are there any other ways to see that? |
| 17:34.05 | asg | infernix: lsof |
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| 17:34.55 | earthian | hello |
| 17:35.07 | infernix | doesn't show them either. |
| 17:35.08 | earthian | does anybody have lm-sensors installed? |
| 17:35.09 | infernix | how odd. |
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| 17:35.56 | infernix | anything else to try? |
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| 17:40.53 | abrotman | infernix: fuser |
| 17:41.05 | abrotman | infernix: fuser -n tcp <port#> |
| 17:41.16 | keith80403 | Which package in Sarge contains "curses.h" ? Need it to compile a program from source. |
| 17:41.20 | infernix | doesn't show anything either, abrotman. |
| 17:41.22 | abrotman | !tell keith80403 about search |
| 17:41.29 | infernix | im stopping all apps one by one now. its odd. |
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| 17:41.33 | XriGuest | apt-cashe search |
| 17:41.36 | XriGuest | cache |
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| 17:42.03 | Braindead | no. apt-file search |
| 17:42.08 | XriGuest | no. |
| 17:42.10 | XriGuest | apt-cache |
| 17:42.16 | abrotman | no .. apt-file search |
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| 17:42.23 | Braindead | that was surreal |
| 17:42.25 | infernix | it's tcp ports 2049, 2104. does that ring a bell for anyone? |
| 17:42.27 | abrotman | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search curses.h |
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| 17:44.47 | infernix | ok, now I'm scared. only sshd, getty and dhclient running, and still these open ports. |
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| 17:47.42 | infernix | any suggestions before i just reboot? would it be some kernel module hack perhaps? |
| 17:48.42 | infernix | doh. i suck. it was nfs. |
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| 17:49.17 | keith80403 | abrotman, Thanks, tried apt-file, nothing - used packages.debian.org to find it instead, OK now. |
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| 17:53.12 | earthian | is there any software that would let me control my case/cpu/etc fan speeds? |
| 17:53.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:53.31 | earthian | name? :) |
| 17:53.38 | abrotman | keith80403 apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search curses.h |
| 17:53.44 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 17:53.44 | dpkg | i guess cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 17:54.02 | garo | Does debian only fix security bugs in a stable release or also normal bugs ? |
| 17:54.08 | Braindead | earthian: control as in "monitor" ? |
| 17:54.24 | earthian | i have lm-sensors to monitor them |
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| 17:54.29 | itc | ok I need a simple opinion. with 4 disks, where do I get better performance: raid5 or raid10 ? |
| 17:54.30 | earthian | now i want to turn off one fan |
| 17:54.35 | infernix | or try powernowd for AMDs |
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| 17:54.43 | earthian | hm |
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| 17:54.45 | Braindead | earthian: is it a tachimetric fan? |
| 17:54.47 | infernix | itc: 10. |
| 17:54.54 | earthian | what do you mean Braindead ? |
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| 17:55.05 | earthian | i used to control it in speedfan program for windows |
| 17:55.13 | earthian | google for it if you interested |
| 17:55.18 | Braindead | it is tachimetric then |
| 17:55.22 | earthian | :) |
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| 17:55.29 | infernix | itc: it depends on how they are attached though, for ide. with sata/scsi it doesnt matter as much as with ide. |
| 17:55.33 | earthian | well i believe my mobo allows me to control them |
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| 17:56.14 | Braindead | earthian: maybe you could control them through acpi |
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| 17:56.33 | jaski | cydork: Did you get my pasted output? |
| 17:56.46 | infernix | i think changing fan speeds is done through I2C, not acpi |
| 17:56.46 | Braindead | that's how most laptop fans are controlled. dunno about fans which are connected to the mobo |
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| 17:57.44 | earthian | omg o_O cpudyn just removed all my X server and some other stuff :o |
| 17:57.48 | earthian | dummy thing :/ |
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| 18:01.41 | dave007 | Hi, I'm having trouble with debian unstable, when an upgrade is finishing, I get this error: Setting up gnome-system-tools (2.14.0-2) ... |
| 18:01.41 | dave007 | Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-system-tools.schemas could not be found. |
| 18:01.41 | dave007 | usage: gconf-schemas --[un]register file1.schemas [file2.schemas [...]] |
| 18:01.41 | dave007 | gconf-schemas: error: You need to give at least a file to (un)register. |
| 18:01.41 | dave007 | dpkg: error processing gnome-system-tools (--configure): |
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| 18:01.58 | dave007 | sorry |
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| 18:04.21 | tarzeau | dave007: did you check BTS? |
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| 18:04.30 | dave007 | bts? |
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| 18:05.24 | blondie | !bts |
| 18:05.24 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:06.24 | mulligan | the glibc info manual disappeared from my sid box. anyone knows which package to install? it's not in glibc-doc |
| 18:06.31 | dave007 | thanks |
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| 18:08.29 | mulligan | well seems it used to be in glibc-doc and something is broken again |
| 18:09.55 | mulligan | ok, great get it somewhere else... |
| 18:10.51 | fourat | is there any way to share scanners on a server (something like CUPS for printers) |
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| 18:11.31 | cahoot | fourat: saned |
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| 18:12.05 | poonj | hey guys...in gnome, under Sessions, I can enter Startup Programs... |
| 18:12.18 | fourat | cahoot, cant find that |
| 18:12.19 | poonj | where is that list of startup programs located in my home directory? |
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| 18:15.53 | mulligan | poonj: i wold guess it's hidden in some binary or completely unreadable xml file placed in a deep directory tree under .something. i think that is the way how modern desktops work |
| 18:16.04 | poonj | mulligan, okay |
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| 18:18.37 | FinnTux | I just upgraded unstable and now /dev/input/mice is gone. any ideas? |
| 18:18.53 | poonj | make sure mousedev is loaded |
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| 18:18.57 | poonj | but not sure about unstable |
| 18:19.02 | poonj | that thing works when it wants to |
| 18:19.20 | Ma|el | poonj: somewhere in ~/.gnome2/ |
| 18:19.34 | Ma|el | dont remember |
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| 18:22.20 | FinnTux | poonj, it is |
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| 18:23.13 | DanBrwn | im using sid, my alsa sound works occassionally but most of the time is doesn't, help |
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| 18:23.58 | sponzor | jo |
| 18:24.03 | sponzor | hi |
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| 18:24.50 | REdOG | how do I list the files provided in a package? |
| 18:25.43 | mulligan | dpkg -L |
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| 18:26.17 | REdOG | is there a way to do it with apt-get? or apt-shell ? |
| 18:27.02 | earthian | is here anybody that is good on hardware things? |
| 18:27.08 | earthian | i have an issue with my two processors |
| 18:27.10 | earthian | :S |
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| 18:27.34 | sponzor | how to change in kwrite 100 lines at one time" * consuelo (~alma@red22:dist1 " i nead to change * consuelo (~alma@ that it will be removed. and its like 100 lines and al the lines have diferent (~alma@ and "consuelo" how to change them all at time? |
| 18:27.39 | earthian | just ran dmesg thing |
| 18:27.41 | earthian | .. |
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| 18:29.02 | tziku | hello, how can i disable user details when creating one ? (Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default) ? I want only: "adduser --disabled-login --disabled-password SomeNameForMyUser" and nothing more to write after this.... |
| 18:29.20 | sponzor | anybody? |
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| 18:30.29 | abrotman | tziku: use useradd instead of adduser ? |
| 18:30.56 | mulligan | sponzor: learn to use your editor. start with the manual or in your case better with an easy tutorial. it's worth the time |
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| 18:31.05 | tziku | sponzor if i understand correct try with grep and oprion -v like: cat filename | grep -v "somethig you don't want" >> filemane |
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| 18:31.31 | sponzor | thats hard :) |
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| 18:31.34 | tziku | thanks abrotman |
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| 18:32.31 | abrotman | sponzor: is it a text file ? |
| 18:32.36 | earthian | can somebody explain if there is everything ok with my CPUs??? DMESG output fragment: [17188236.432000] powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.50.4) |
| 18:32.36 | earthian | [17188236.432000] powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure |
| 18:32.54 | earthian | :o several lines lol |
| 18:32.54 | sponzor | yeah |
| 18:32.59 | sponzor | in kwrite |
| 18:33.02 | sponzor | program |
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| 18:33.58 | abrotman | earthian: try #debian-amd64 |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | sponzor: it doesn't have a search/replace? |
| 18:34.15 | earthian | i am using linux-k7-smp kernel |
| 18:34.22 | abrotman | it's an amd64 |
| 18:34.23 | earthian | not a 64bit system |
| 18:34.23 | earthian | :S |
| 18:34.34 | earthian | but my kernel is 32bit |
| 18:34.36 | abrotman | earthian: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:34.44 | earthian | it shows two cpus |
| 18:34.50 | abrotman | ok .. then my guess is that powernowd doesn't support SMP machines |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | which sounds really stupid |
| 18:35.10 | abrotman | or i'd ask google |
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| 18:35.34 | sponzor | it haves replace but there i dont know what to do. i nead to change 100 lines to remove someting in front of each line. buth every line haves the first part a litle difrent so i dont know how to replace all with space "with nothing" |
| 18:35.42 | earthian | hm |
| 18:35.54 | earthian | hmm... i think that my driver is too old then :o |
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| 18:36.02 | tarzeau | is someone able to use a 2.2 linux kernel with sarge or sid? |
| 18:36.04 | abrotman | sponzor: in vi .. :1,100 s/foo/bar/g |
| 18:36.43 | abrotman | sponzor: or ask #kde if they have a better idea on using kwrite |
| 18:36.53 | sponzor | ok tnsx |
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| 18:41.34 | abrotman | !moo |
| 18:41.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:43.12 | xored | !paste |
| 18:43.12 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 18:46.56 | avoine | hi, if i use gksu the gnome cursor is slow to return to a normal arrow (insteed of the circle) does it do the same for you? |
| 18:47.15 | avoine | i have this message: glibtop: This machine has 2 CPUs, 2 are being monitored. |
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| 18:51.11 | abrotman | that's a bad thing ? |
| 18:51.42 | FinnTux | after I mknodded /dev/input/event1 and /dev/input/mice X won't die on missing input device |
| 18:51.52 | FinnTux | shouldn't those be created automatically? |
| 18:52.24 | Buckweat | Hey can someone help me configure pro FTPD on ubuntu? |
| 18:52.25 | abrotman | echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules |
| 18:52.31 | abrotman | Buckweat: go to #ubuntu |
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| 18:52.39 | abrotman | and it's 'proftpd' |
| 18:52.46 | Buckweat | Thanks |
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| 18:53.22 | FinnTux | abrotman, I loaded mousedev manually but no go |
| 18:53.33 | avoine | ok the problem is in the communication with gnome-keyring |
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| 18:54.02 | avoine | if you don't have a keyring its very slow to answer |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | FinnTux: the loading of that module should create that device |
| 18:54.08 | avoine | do you use gnome-keyring? |
| 18:54.16 | FinnTux | thats what I thought too |
| 18:54.46 | abrotman | is this on sid ? |
| 18:55.03 | FinnTux | yes |
| 18:55.18 | abrotman | eh .. greycat pointed me at a bug in udev earlier today |
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| 18:55.26 | FinnTux | worked an hour ago before I did upgrade & dist-upgrade |
| 18:55.30 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 18:55.51 | abrotman | FinnTux: i believe he had to downgrade to the udev from etch |
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| 18:56.56 | [GABRI] | hello how i can force eth0 velocity? |
| 18:57.05 | DogWater | anyone know any magic tricks in the kernel to get Debian to see the disk and ethernet controller on either the 946 or 975 intel chipsets? |
| 18:57.09 | DogWater | mii-tool [GABRI] |
| 18:58.27 | [GABRI] | mm DogWater i instaleed |
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| 18:59.12 | abrotman | DogWater: which version of debian ? |
| 18:59.18 | DogWater | 3.1 2.6 |
| 18:59.26 | abrotman | not gonna happen |
| 18:59.30 | abrotman | !tell DogWater about sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 18:59.38 | poonj | hey guys |
| 18:59.51 | poonj | how can I disable the software updates console that boots up at startup? |
| 18:59.52 | abrotman | DogWater: or use etch(if it's for a workstation |
| 18:59.55 | DogWater | 2.6.17 doesnt have drivers for the card |
| 18:59.59 | DogWater | (s) |
| 19:00.02 | DogWater | I built my own |
| 19:00.02 | abrotman | poonj: the what? |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | DogWater: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 19:00.17 | [GABRI] | thanks DogWater |
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| 19:00.27 | FinnTux | abrotman, downgrading 0.098->0.097 fixed it |
| 19:00.32 | FinnTux | thanks for the tip |
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| 19:00.36 | abrotman | FinnTux: that sucks .. but it's life with unstable |
| 19:00.43 | DogWater | abrotman: Yeah, I know how to netinst debian, i'm just saying the 2.6.17 doesnt have the drivers in it |
| 19:00.53 | DogWater | so it wont see the ethernet adapter or the disk controller |
| 19:01.02 | FinnTux | yep, I'm willing to take the risks :) |
| 19:01.04 | abrotman | DogWater: i know .. <custom netinst> will show you how to create a custom one with the drivers you need |
| 19:01.16 | DogWater | There dont appear to be any drivers |
| 19:01.26 | DogWater | i just didnt know if anyone has found a kludgy way to do it |
| 19:01.27 | abrotman | i thought you justaid you had them! |
| 19:01.38 | DogWater | nope. |
| 19:01.43 | abrotman | you said you built your own |
| 19:02.02 | DogWater | yeah, I built one based on 2.6.17 but the kernel doesnt have drivers for those chipsets and intel doesnt release them |
| 19:02.18 | abrotman | built one .. one .. is a netinst ? |
| 19:02.41 | abrotman | it's ich7 .. that sohuld work with 2.6.16 |
| 19:02.43 | abrotman | if not earlier |
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| 19:03.01 | DogWater | any clue what I need to enable in the kernel then? |
| 19:03.12 | abrotman | did you try the sarge 2.6.16 installer ? |
| 19:03.23 | DogWater | cause unless I flip the ide controller into 'legacy' mode it doesnt detect the controller |
| 19:03.38 | abrotman | is it even ich7? or is it sometrhing else ? |
| 19:03.42 | FinnTux | abrotman, where can I find 2.6.16 sarge installer? |
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| 19:04.07 | abrotman | !tell FinnTux about sarge uni |
| 19:04.11 | abrotman | !tell FinnTux about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:04.13 | earthian | could somebody tell me how to recompile/rebuild my kernel? |
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| 19:04.19 | bab | does anyone know of any ipsec servers that can be implemented so you only need PSK (Pree Shared Keys) eg something easy for the clients to set up |
| 19:04.28 | abrotman | earthian: if you have to ask . you really shouldn't |
| 19:04.33 | poonj | abrotman, everytime I boot up, there is a icon that tries to ask if I want to download Software Updates |
| 19:04.40 | earthian | hm.. |
| 19:04.40 | poonj | I was just wondering if I can disable that |
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| 19:04.43 | abrotman | poonj: are you running SuSE? |
| 19:04.48 | abrotman | !tell earthian about kp |
| 19:04.49 | DogWater | !tell me about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:04.51 | FinnTux | abrotman, thanks again |
| 19:04.51 | Ronin | poonj: what? |
| 19:04.55 | abrotman | FinnTux: enjoy |
| 19:04.58 | earthian | i think that powernow-k8 driver in it is fuked |
| 19:05.03 | abrotman | poonj: is this on gnome ? |
| 19:05.07 | poonj | yeah |
| 19:05.12 | abrotman | and you're running sid ? |
| 19:05.23 | DogWater | !tell me about sarge 2.ah kmuto.jp |
| 19:05.25 | DogWater | oops |
| 19:05.33 | DogWater | that guy makes alot of good installers |
| 19:06.05 | abrotman | !tell DogWater about selftell |
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| 19:06.40 | poonj | abrotman, ethc |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | Ronin: there's something in gnome now that watches to see if there are updates for packages you have installed |
| 19:06.42 | poonj | abrotman, etch |
| 19:07.15 | Ronin | abrotman: interesting |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | Ronin: kde has one too ... |
| 19:08.14 | poonj | abrotman, is it possible to remove that? |
| 19:08.15 | abrotman | !info update-manager sid |
| 19:08.17 | abrotman | !info adept sid |
| 19:08.23 | dpkg | update-manager: (GNOME application that manages apt updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.2ubuntu22-4 (sid), Packaged size: 951 kB, Installed size: 2251 kB |
| 19:08.40 | abrotman | dpkg: go to #ubuntu!!! |
| 19:09.07 | poonj | awesome |
| 19:09.09 | poonj | thanks |
| 19:09.09 | abrotman | it's adept-notifier |
| 19:09.18 | abrotman | poonj: i guess you're looking at update-manager |
| 19:09.21 | poonj | yeah |
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| 19:09.23 | poonj | I just removed it |
| 19:09.26 | poonj | thanks |
| 19:09.27 | abrotman | poonj: and that's not on startup .. that's on login |
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| 19:12.02 | poonj | sorry |
| 19:12.03 | poonj | yeah |
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| 19:12.19 | DogWater | abrotman: ok so how the hell does this one from that site find the drives and NIC but mine with pretty much everything built into the kernel wont ;-) |
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| 19:12.37 | abrotman | DogWater: because the guy that built it is smarter than you :) |
| 19:12.52 | DogWater | wow thats kind of messed up. |
| 19:13.04 | abrotman | that someone could be smarter than you ? |
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| 19:13.12 | DogWater | No, that you would say something like that. |
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| 19:13.15 | DogWater | but its cool |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | DogWater: that guy makes a lot of special installers .. he's pretty good at it |
| 19:13.38 | abrotman | DogWater: all it takes is one missed option and nothing will work |
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| 19:14.12 | DogWater | well, it appears to detect everything |
| 19:14.22 | DogWater | kinda sucks for me ;-) |
| 19:14.44 | abrotman | DogWater: don't feel bad .. you can't be right all the time :) |
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| 19:15.01 | DogWater | I just dont know if maybe he included those drivers outside of the kernel |
| 19:15.25 | abrotman | you mean as modules ? |
| 19:15.44 | DogWater | well, my point is there is no mention of this chipset in any of the driver configs in the kernel for 2.6.17 |
| 19:16.02 | abrotman | well .. once it is installed .. look at his /proc/config.gz |
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| 19:16.35 | M0E-lnx | hey guys, How do I install a .deb package that's sitting in ~/ |
| 19:16.36 | M0E-lnx | ? |
| 19:16.55 | FinnTux | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 19:17.06 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 19:17.25 | M0E-lnx | thanks |
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| 19:20.06 | DogWater | abrotman: whats nuts is centos just released ver 4.4 and it doesnt have built in support for the core 2 duo boards either |
| 19:20.18 | raf256 | how to install a foo.rpm in Debian? |
| 19:20.25 | Fare | lintian tells me I'm complying to an old standards-version. Where is the newest? |
| 19:20.28 | abrotman | raf256: alien |
| 19:20.37 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 19:20.37 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 19:20.43 | Fare | thanks |
| 19:20.54 | abrotman | DogWater: core2 is pretty new .. but i thought they were similar enough to core1 duo to be okay |
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| 19:23.03 | helo | is it safe to remove everything in /usr/share/doc? |
| 19:23.12 | helo | i really need to free up every bit of space i possibly can |
| 19:23.31 | DogWater | abrotman: they completely redid the chipset |
| 19:23.40 | DogWater | something to do with the 1066mhz buss |
| 19:23.42 | DogWater | err bus |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | DogWater: yes .. but did they redo the controllers? |
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| 19:24.51 | DogWater | apparently cause the kernel images I built work fine on the e100 (965/945/915/865) |
| 19:24.58 | DogWater | and on the sata controller |
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| 19:25.49 | tziku | hello, i'm root and i want to run /home/johnny/booble/status ...but not with my name "root" with name "johnny"...how can i do ? but..without "su" ? Other method ? |
| 19:26.00 | abrotman | su -c |
| 19:26.01 | abrotman | man su |
| 19:26.28 | DogWater | yeah, it says ICH7 in the dmesg |
| 19:26.45 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:26.48 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 19:26.48 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 19:27.17 | abrotman | DogWater: the kernel in sarge(2.6.8) has those limitations |
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| 19:28.21 | DogWater | i wish i could figure out what he enabled in the kernel to make it work. ICH is selected |
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| 19:32.23 | DogWater | any idea how I could figure that out? |
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| 19:37.06 | Spark | why do the nvidia packages now have "legacy" in their name? |
| 19:37.22 | Spark | is there some new groundbreaking change that i should know about |
| 19:37.57 | Tortel | the 7 series |
| 19:38.00 | Tortel | ? |
| 19:38.10 | sepski | Spark, nvidia have removed support for the older cards in their main driver. so if you have a old card you must use the legacy drivers. for newer you use the regular drivers |
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| 19:38.24 | Spark | and old cards are <7 ? |
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| 19:38.37 | Tortel | probably <6 |
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| 19:38.51 | dafe | hi all |
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| 19:39.35 | dafe | what is the group users for?? under linux |
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| 19:40.53 | Spark | ok thanks |
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| 19:41.49 | abrotman | DogWater: compare his /proc/config.gz to yours |
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| 19:43.21 | w3rdn4 | Setting default volumes... |
| 19:43.21 | w3rdn4 | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 19:43.22 | w3rdn4 | ideas? |
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| 19:44.18 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 19:44.25 | poonj | where can I setup autologin? |
| 19:44.35 | abrotman | for gdm ? |
| 19:44.38 | poonj | yeah |
| 19:44.43 | abrotman | w3rdn4: snd_pcm_oss |
| 19:44.48 | poonj | I didn't see anything in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 19:45.03 | abrotman | try the gdm config tool |
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| 19:45.56 | w3rdn4 | abrotman, hmm how did you know that? |
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| 19:46.06 | vasundhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.10 | poonj | abrotman, I tried that... |
| 19:46.15 | poonj | I entered the user... |
| 19:46.18 | poonj | but it doesn't start |
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| 19:47.57 | w3rdn4 | darkice: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- any ideas? |
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| 19:48.58 | trying | Hi all, I am a teacher at a small school. We chanced to Linux. I installed one PC. Is it possible to clone or copy the system on the server and pull it from the other 14 PCs. So that I don't have to install those too? |
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| 19:49.14 | abrotman | w3rdn4: i'm a freak like that :) |
| 19:49.18 | abrotman | !tell w3rdn4 about search |
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| 19:49.22 | abrotman | !find libjack.so sarge |
| 19:49.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libjack.so' returned no results. |
| 19:49.38 | abrotman | uh |
| 19:49.42 | abrotman | !find libjack.so |
| 19:49.47 | abrotman | grr |
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| 19:50.03 | Blissex | trying: look at FAI (Fully Automated Installation). |
| 19:50.14 | w3rdn4 | abrotman, I gave up on some packages apt-get has and started compiling my own |
| 19:50.46 | abrotman | trying: fai/dphys .. /msg dpkg debian clone .. or use system-imager |
| 19:51.35 | abrotman | w3rdn4: looks like it should be libjack .. might need to make a symlink |
| 19:51.49 | w3rdn4 | abrotman, how do I do that? |
| 19:51.53 | abrotman | man ln |
| 19:51.54 | trying | blissex: and abrotman: which is best for someone not to firm with Linux but interessted? |
| 19:52.12 | abrotman | trying: if you /msg dpkg debian clone .. that will give you a package list you can use on any machine |
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| 19:52.29 | abrotman | trying: fai is an automated installer .. dphys is similar .. system-imager is supposed to be like ghost |
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| 19:53.06 | CHodapp | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 19:53.21 | trying | abrotman: we used an image programm and had to many problems |
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| 19:53.23 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 19:53.24 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is, like, "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 19:53.33 | GillaGal | Can anyone tell me what the option name is to shut off directory listing in Apache2? |
| 19:53.37 | abrotman | trying: then perhaps the /msg dpkg debian clone method would be best |
| 19:53.45 | abrotman | GillaGal: the docs at httpd.apache.org cover that |
| 19:55.16 | trying | abrotman: sory if I ask stupid quetions, but I don't know what to do with /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 19:55.44 | Blissex | type that in your IRC windows. |
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| 19:56.13 | abrotman | !tell trying about debian clone |
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| 19:56.53 | abrotman | trying: our bot contains many answers for common questions .. if something the bot tells you says "See <blah>" you'd type "/msg dpkg blah" in your irc window .. then check the bot's response |
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| 19:57.56 | trying | ahhh! thank you. I didn't know that. that's cool. |
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| 19:58.29 | w3rdn4 | DarkIce: LameLibEncoder.cpp:75: lame lib opening underlying sink error [0] <--- hmmm |
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| 19:59.27 | abrotman | that's not good |
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| 20:03.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:03.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:06.10 | [GABRI] | Starting OpenLDAP: running BDB recovery, slapd - failed: |
| 20:06.18 | [GABRI] | /etc/ldap/schema/authldap.schema: line 60: AttributeType not found: "mail" |
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| 20:13.31 | PepperBob | hi there! |
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| 20:14.04 | PepperBob | does anyone know how to kill a dead user session? i see me logged in several times with a idle time of > 2 days... ?! |
| 20:14.05 | abrotman | !ldap |
| 20:14.06 | dpkg | well, ldap is TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 20:14.21 | pinky | Is there a command to immediately lock the screen and go to screensaver? |
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| 20:16.49 | PepperBob | pinky: using kde? |
| 20:17.13 | pinky | PepperBob: Not at the moment. Xfce for now.... but I switch a lot. I use GNOME as well. |
| 20:17.18 | Guerin | pinky: install and configure xscreensaver |
| 20:17.33 | pinky | Would it change through DEs? |
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| 20:17.40 | pinky | I have xscreensaver installed |
| 20:17.43 | pinky | I use that |
| 20:17.54 | pinky | But how do I tell it to lock screen with a command? |
| 20:17.57 | Guerin | pinky: other packages can do it, like xlock and such |
| 20:18.06 | raf256 | omg, help! |
| 20:18.12 | abrotman | omg, ask! |
| 20:18.14 | Guerin | pinky: bind a keya to xscreensaver --lock or such |
| 20:18.17 | raf256 | I destroyed my /dev/hda1 boot partition |
| 20:18.20 | Guerin | raf256: you're beyond help |
| 20:18.27 | PepperBob | raf256: destroyed? |
| 20:18.34 | raf256 | PepperBob: shredded |
| 20:18.42 | Guerin | raf256: no great loss, you can reinstall. |
| 20:18.46 | PepperBob | raf256: how comes? |
| 20:18.55 | raf256 | PepperBob: wrong character |
| 20:19.05 | raf256 | hdc hda |
| 20:19.16 | pinky | Got it |
| 20:19.16 | PepperBob | raf256: hehe... well it was just boot? |
| 20:19.21 | pinky | "xscreensaver-command -lock" |
| 20:19.25 | raf256 | yeap just boot |
| 20:19.37 | Guerin | pinky: yeah, that's what I'm after |
| 20:19.52 | PepperBob | raf256: shouldn't be a problem to get a new kernel image... |
| 20:19.55 | raf256 | so... how to make file system there (mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda1 ?) how to install grub there? |
| 20:20.14 | PepperBob | mke2fs -j |
| 20:20.27 | PepperBob | i would suggest you'll take ext3 |
| 20:20.34 | PepperBob | so -j is recommended |
| 20:21.14 | PepperBob | raf256: and the apt-get install linux-image... and apt-get install grub |
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| 20:21.51 | marcelo | a todos uma boa tarde. |
| 20:22.07 | helo | i'd like to use dd to put a working debian installation image onto a compact flash drive, and boot from it... dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/scsi/blah0/foo0/etc0/part1 bs=512? |
| 20:22.29 | helo | do i need /dev/hda1 to match the compact flash drive size? |
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| 20:22.52 | Guerin | helo: not really, but it'll be a waste of space if you don't |
| 20:23.11 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.24 | helo | in size, but the data on it will fit |
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| 20:23.37 | Guerin | helo: should be fine |
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| 20:24.08 | raf256 | grub-install /dev/hda1 --no-floppy is all what I need? |
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| 20:25.53 | PepperBob | raf256: shouldn't that be done by apt? |
| 20:26.02 | PepperBob | raf256: but yes this will work |
| 20:26.14 | PepperBob | raf256: i guess you edited menu.lst ? |
| 20:26.25 | raf256 | yeah I will compiler the kernel |
| 20:26.34 | raf256 | I use manually build kerenls only anyhow |
| 20:29.04 | PepperBob | raf256: okay. |
| 20:29.42 | helo | thanks guerin |
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| 20:31.30 | FromTO | does anyone know of a place where I can get a working xorg and all its companion package |
| 20:32.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | In a network with a mask of this type: 255.255.255.252 This leaves 3 ips right ? Let's say .1 for gw .2 for for the workstation and .3 for broadcast right ? In this case what should be the network address ? like .0 in a class C subnet... ? |
| 20:32.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | Just a doubt... |
| 20:33.15 | smax | tell smax ati |
| 20:33.19 | smax | !tell smax ati |
| 20:33.33 | smax | hmm |
| 20:33.44 | smax | !tell smax ati drivers |
| 20:34.06 | Ox0F0-0FF | !tell smax about ati |
| 20:34.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | is the right way to invoque |
| 20:34.45 | smax | ahh |
| 20:34.47 | smax | thanx pal |
| 20:35.25 | Ox0F0-0FF | yw |
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| 20:36.15 | dendrite | Ox0F0-0FF: Any of 260 mod 4 could be the network address. That is, 0, 4, 8 ... |
| 20:36.27 | dendrite | Ox0F0-0FF: Any of 256 mod 4, that is. |
| 20:36.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | "260 mod 4" ? |
| 20:36.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | oh |
| 20:36.57 | dendrite | Ox0F0-0FF: 255 % 4 even. |
| 20:37.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | modulo ? |
| 20:37.03 | dendrite | yes. |
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| 20:37.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | ok, so 255.255.255.252 gives out 4 addresses right ? |
| 20:37.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | not 3 |
| 20:37.39 | dendrite | That is, you can have networks next to each other in that space; 0-3, 4-7, 8-11 ... |
| 20:37.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | I see |
| 20:37.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | interresting |
| 20:37.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | thanks a lot |
| 20:38.15 | tarzeau | someone's got the caslon roman ttf/ps font? |
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| 20:38.34 | tarzeau | used to be here http://web.archive.org/web/20050310055342/http://bibliofile.mc.duke.edu/gww/fonts/Caslon/Caslon.html |
| 20:38.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | dendrite, and 255.255.255.224 will give 32 IPs.... right ? |
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| 20:40.10 | dendrite | Ox0F0-0FF: Looks right. Any fancy bit masks and I break out a calculator. |
| 20:40.40 | dendrite | I don't do mask arithmetic often enough to have the numbers memorized... |
| 20:40.48 | tarzeau | omg web.archive has it! |
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| 20:42.29 | dendrite | Ox0F0-0FF: Yeah, 224 gives you a 5 bit network, and 2^5 is 32. |
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| 20:50.22 | M0E-lnx | how can I remove a package along with all it's deps? |
| 20:50.39 | Zaxus | doesn't apt-get remove do that? |
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| 20:50.48 | M0E-lnx | doesn't remove all the deps |
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| 20:51.10 | vulture | M0E-lnx: you'll need something that tracks orphans (since removing _all_ deps might remove packages that are still required by other things you have installed) |
| 20:51.22 | dendrite | M0E-lnx: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 20:51.28 | vulture | so if you use "aptitude" from the get-go, it'll be able to track all the proper orphan information |
| 20:51.50 | vulture | so when you remove things it'll remove anything else that's suddenly become "pointless" (ie: isn't held on your system by any package you explicitly installed) |
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| 20:51.59 | dendrite | M0E-lnx: Sorry, right. deborphan may be able to help you. |
| 20:52.45 | M0E-lnx | mmm |
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| 20:54.11 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.29 | tarzeau | goodshit: rpm -qa |
| 20:54.37 | goodshit | thx |
| 20:54.46 | smax | i get this error when attempting to install the ati drivers, in /usr/share/fglrx/fglrx-install.log http://rafb.net/paste/results/CmnMau18.html |
| 20:54.52 | tarzeau | 22:54 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from goodshit: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 20:55.05 | tarzeau | goodshit: i think you want to be in #redhat or #fedora or ##windows |
| 20:55.35 | tarzeau | smax: tried www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver yet? |
| 20:55.40 | tarzeau | smax: what says uname -a ? |
| 20:55.50 | goodshit | got it thx |
| 20:56.10 | helo | o |
| 20:56.51 | helo | i'm trying to install grub onto a compact flash drive which i have copied all of my partition to... it says that there is no cooresponding BIOS number for the drive and refuses to install... my bios does try to boot it though... any ideas? |
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| 20:57.21 | smax | tarzeau: when i run that script i get ---> Usage: /etc/init.d/fglrx-driver start |
| 20:57.21 | smax | debian:~# uname -a |
| 20:57.21 | smax | Linux debian 2.4.27-3-k7 #1 Tue May 30 00:34:05 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:57.49 | abrotman | does nvidia even work on 2.4 ? |
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| 20:58.09 | tarzeau | smax: run it like fglrx-driver start |
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| 20:58.22 | tarzeau | smax: do you have the kernel or linux-sources of 2.4.27-3-k7 ? |
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| 20:58.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes it does |
| 20:58.34 | M0E-lnx | dan't i can't do it |
| 20:58.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: we've got it w/ 2.4.33.2 $werk |
| 20:58.41 | tarzeau | @ |
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| 20:59.18 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: normally you intall with aptitude which will do that . but yes .. deborphan can help you clean up |
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| 20:59.27 | smax | tarzeau: according to my uname -a yes i have that kernel and linux-kernel-headers |
| 20:59.42 | serkon | Hello. Can i install a package without installing all packages that it depends on using aptitude? |
| 20:59.55 | tarzeau | smax: you need kernel source NOT headers |
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| 21:00.07 | smax | i cant find it under apt |
| 21:00.08 | sgeigerb` | tarzeau: Hmmm. I think that should have another argument. |
| 21:00.16 | M0E-lnx | well, I installed everything using just apt-get install |
| 21:00.19 | tarzeau | smax: i can |
| 21:00.25 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: so use deborphan to clean up |
| 21:00.36 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: did you move ? |
| 21:00.42 | M0E-lnx | how? |
| 21:00.44 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: yes, I did. |
| 21:00.45 | sufa | I have an ibm 300gl desktop computer. I want to use it as a server (no KVM ) but I keep getting post startup errors that are requiring a mouse and keyboard. it wont boot to grub untill i tell it to exit the config |
| 21:00.52 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: deborphan .. see what it lists ? |
| 21:00.53 | serkon | or using dpkg -i is the only solution? |
| 21:00.54 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: I guess we talked about this, didn't we. |
| 21:00.54 | M0E-lnx | i get command not foung |
| 21:00.56 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: no more nebraska huh ? |
| 21:01.01 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: no .. not that i recall |
| 21:01.01 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: Austin! |
| 21:01.06 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: must be nice |
| 21:01.07 | Fox | tarzeau: briquolo rox |
| 21:01.11 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: The austin tech scene rocks. |
| 21:01.15 | abrotman | Fox: no crashing then i suppose .. |
| 21:01.16 | smax | my apt must be out of date. |
| 21:01.21 | Fox | no, no crashing |
| 21:01.24 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: you have to install it |
| 21:01.26 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: Yes, I'm a friggin' telecommuter. |
| 21:01.30 | abrotman | Fox: that's what i was really checking for :) |
| 21:01.34 | M0E-lnx | I have no more space to install anything |
| 21:01.35 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: freak! |
| 21:01.37 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: of course, I'm still a workaholic. |
| 21:01.41 | Fox | works great with my nvidia and the brand new 22" TFT |
| 21:01.41 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: apt-get clean .. try again |
| 21:01.44 | tarzeau | Fox: thanks! tried brutalchess yet? |
| 21:01.51 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: I guess there are perks for having this disease. |
| 21:02.01 | tarzeau | Fox: pathogen , supertransball2 , mazeofgalious ? they all rock as well |
| 21:02.04 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: i hate the cold .. is taht a disease ? :) |
| 21:02.16 | Fox | tarzeau: no not yet, my wife is watching a movie, using xinerama, can't play again right now :) |
| 21:02.19 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: No, that's a sign that you are of sound mind. |
| 21:02.40 | smax | tarzeau: that script you showed earlier, are you saying to rename it as fglrx-driver, under /etc/init.d ? |
| 21:02.43 | abrotman | Fox: doesn't xinerama imply two screens ? |
| 21:02.56 | tarzeau | smax: not rename it, but put it there, and run head on it |
| 21:03.00 | tarzeau | smax: then run it with start |
| 21:03.11 | tarzeau | Fox: hehe :) |
| 21:03.12 | Fox | abrotman: yes, one 22" and one TV, she's watching tv in bed while I'm in front of the 22" :) |
| 21:03.14 | smax | what do i name it as ? |
| 21:03.17 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: If you actually escape the cold climate that's a sign of intelligence. ;-) That's how I posed the decision to myself: If I stay here for another winter when I don't have to, I'm stupid. |
| 21:03.27 | tarzeau | smax: leave the name, fglrx-driver is fine |
| 21:03.28 | smax | i cut and paste it from the web pate |
| 21:03.31 | smax | opk |
| 21:03.33 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: i'd need a job there .. :) |
| 21:03.41 | tarzeau | smax: yuck :) you ever heard of wget? |
| 21:03.47 | smax | oh right |
| 21:03.47 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: and as many have noted before .. i'm a right bastard :) |
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| 21:03.53 | smax | i'll do that under /etc/init.d |
| 21:03.58 | tarzeau | cut'n'paste loses tabs |
| 21:04.09 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: there must be a lot of them. This place is crawling with technies. Something like 30-40% of the income of this town comes directly or indirectly from IT. |
| 21:04.18 | tarzeau | smax: awww right the ati one wants headers |
| 21:04.19 | abrotman | duh .. dell |
| 21:04.23 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: that's a freakin' nice percentage. |
| 21:04.25 | tarzeau | smax: the www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver wants sources |
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| 21:04.32 | NemesisUK | hi certain apps keep being given root access with out me being asked is there anyway to stop this as it's causing problems |
| 21:04.43 | tarzeau | NemesisUK: #debian-kde ? |
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| 21:04.54 | NemesisUK | tarzeau, Im in gnome |
| 21:05.06 | tarzeau | i'm in gnome town, in nethack |
| 21:05.24 | dendrite | NemesisUK: What apps? |
| 21:05.27 | smax | tarzeau: oh ok, thanx for the correction. |
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| 21:05.32 | NemesisUK | its causing problems with gnome-cups-manager |
| 21:05.57 | M0E-lnx | will deborphan remove the packages? |
| 21:05.59 | tarzeau | HAHAHAH |
| 21:06.03 | M0E-lnx | or just list them? |
| 21:06.04 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: it is |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: are you sure you want to remove them all ? |
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| 21:06.16 | sgeigerb` | A guy I know wants to synchronize files at home between a couple of computers his wife uses. He wants her to be able to modify files on either of a couple different laptops. He has a desktop system that could act as a server. Of course, you could just store files on the desktop and access them from other the network,... |
| 21:06.17 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.20 | sgeigerb` | but I was wondering whether there would be some file synchronization tool that could do the job better--that is, you could modify the file locally and have changes replicated to another computer on the netowrk. |
| 21:06.24 | sgeigerb` | (Windows environment) |
| 21:06.25 | M0E-lnx | well, I want to remove gnome and all it's deps |
| 21:06.25 | tarzeau | I AM SO TEH HERO. RNG lOVES ME |
| 21:06.37 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: rsync |
| 21:06.58 | dendrite | M0E-lnx: deborphan just lists 'em. |
| 21:06.58 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: And I would like it to happen automatically...and I don't think rsync does a good job. |
| 21:07.13 | abrotman | sure it does! .. you just have to use it correctly :) |
| 21:07.18 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: on windows rsync implementations I've seen have imperfections like... |
| 21:07.18 | daxxar | sgeigerb`, Windows (atleast using AD) has a system known as Roaming Profiles |
| 21:07.22 | M0E-lnx | so how do I tell it to remove gnome and all it's deps? |
| 21:07.24 | eleftherios | any ideas why pbuilder fails on update or build with message: "hostname: No address associated with name". This is on Etch, pbuilder version 0.156 |
| 21:07.24 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: alternately .. use cvs/svn to checkin/checkout |
| 21:07.38 | abrotman | bad /etc/hosts ? |
| 21:07.50 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: this is a non-technical user. abrotman: imperfections like not being able to copy files with long filenames... |
| 21:07.55 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: rsync is in cygwin |
| 21:08.06 | daxxar | sgeigerb`, but I find it to be a huge pile of dogpoo, we used it at my last employer. |
| 21:08.08 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: And I would like it to happen automatically. I think iFolder would do a good job, but that requires a Linux machine. |
| 21:08.09 | tarzeau | M0E-lnx: check the /topic faq? |
| 21:08.14 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: use roaming profiles |
| 21:08.19 | abrotman | why am i answering windows questions .. |
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| 21:08.30 | sgeigerb` | daxxar: It's a home network without a windows server. |
| 21:08.42 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: see this comment ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 21:08.53 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: use roaming profiles! |
| 21:09.02 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: don't you need a server for that? |
| 21:09.03 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: on win32 .. that's the way to do it |
| 21:09.05 | daxxar | sgeigerb`, okay. Perhaps you could use samba and set your documents & settings to be a dir on the network-drive? |
| 21:09.10 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: so make one system the server ... |
| 21:09.13 | daxxar | I dunno how that'll act / perform. |
| 21:09.34 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: you have to buy software for that, don't you? No thanks. Not a good solution here. |
| 21:09.36 | daxxar | (mount a sambashare as a drive, etc) |
| 21:10.02 | sgeigerb` | daxxar: Yes, of course we would use the SMB or CIFs protocols. There's not a Linux box on the network. |
| 21:10.08 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: i think you can do roaming profiles with samba |
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| 21:10.21 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: okay, but there's no Linux box. |
| 21:10.26 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: I will keep that in mind, though. |
| 21:10.29 | abrotman | http://docs.hp.com/en/B8725-90053/ch04s06.html |
| 21:10.40 | daxxar | sgeigerb`, so, you have two windows-machines, and you want to synchronize profiles between them? |
| 21:10.43 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: well ffs .. you're quickly running out of options :) |
| 21:10.51 | daxxar | Why the heck are you asking that in a *DEBIAN*-channel? |
| 21:11.04 | abrotman | because we're smart! |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | he's abusing us |
| 21:11.11 | tarzeau | it must be debian based |
| 21:11.12 | Fox | coz he uses debian on is laptop ? :) |
| 21:11.25 | pickcoder | O_O |
| 21:11.46 | Fox | looks more and more like #happytreefriends here :) |
| 21:11.50 | daxxar | he's using debian on his laptop, so he's asking for support for his friends wifes windows-based computers on a debian-channel? :p |
| 21:11.57 | Fox | ask anything, people will answer :) |
| 21:12.07 | abrotman | why does tarzeau beat his secretary? |
| 21:12.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: he doesn't |
| 21:12.19 | tarzeau | i'm pacifist |
| 21:12.20 | kugg | What is the question of the answer 42? |
| 21:12.23 | sgeigerb` | I'm here because 1) I use Debian. This question has nothing to do with Debian. |
| 21:12.26 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:12.26 | dpkg | hmm... qotd142 is <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 21:12.37 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: you should have prefaced with "OT: blah blah blah" |
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| 21:12.44 | abrotman | !flw |
| 21:12.50 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: I know. sorry. |
| 21:12.50 | abrotman | :( |
| 21:12.57 | abrotman | dpkg: where'd you go |
| 21:12.58 | daxxar | sgeigerb`, no offence, but you're better off asking in a channel centered around windows-systems. :) |
| 21:13.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:13.08 | abrotman | !flw |
| 21:13.08 | dpkg | from memory, flw13 is Viccinalis [~userlogin@bb220-255-25-217.singnet.com.sg] has quit ["Debian Unstable/Experimental...Linux on STEROIDS!!!"] |
| 21:13.10 | daxxar | sgeigerb`, but most of our solutions will be based on a linux-standpoint. |
| 21:13.11 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
| 21:13.15 | sgeigerb` | daxxar: If I thought there was a channel like that, I'd be there. |
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| 21:13.28 | pickcoder | sgeigerb: there's plenty of free MS resources on the `net |
| 21:13.39 | daxxar | sgeigerb`, #win32, #windows, etc aren't populated on this network? |
| 21:13.50 | pickcoder | sgeigerb: whether or not they're accurate is a different question |
| 21:13.50 | tarzeau | ##windows is huge |
| 21:14.05 | smax | tarzeau: is that script used in supplamentation with http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt ? |
| 21:14.07 | sgeigerb` | daxxar: not in the past. apparently they are here (mooching off the open source world). |
| 21:14.19 | smax | as in do both ? |
| 21:14.23 | tarzeau | smax: no, well it does what's described in ati.txt |
| 21:14.30 | M0E-lnx | I got it... apt-get --purge remove <package |
| 21:14.34 | tarzeau | smax: i should remove ati.txt, i used to do it manually |
| 21:14.39 | tarzeau | smax: but then automated it for one machine |
| 21:14.46 | tarzeau | smax: since it needs be done on every kernel update |
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| 21:14.56 | tarzeau | smax: i use nvidia-driver and fglrx-driver at work |
| 21:15.08 | daxxar | First thing I see when I join ##windows: CygnusX1> I don't know my way around debian stuff though, so, I just threw trusty ole Slack on that box |
| 21:15.09 | r00tk1d | question: i want a low-level user to be able to restart or at least reload the apache config, and this all, from inside of a php script, how can i do this? |
| 21:15.12 | daxxar | <3 |
| 21:15.12 | pickcoder | sgeigerb: then there's the entire MS Usenet collection |
| 21:15.19 | tarzeau | smax: we've got like 50 or so fast 3d graphics cards, and the number is increasing |
| 21:15.22 | pickcoder | sgeigerb: as well as MSDN |
| 21:15.27 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:15.35 | tarzeau | note to self: must package more cool 3d games |
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| 21:15.57 | sgeigerb` | pickcoder: Be sure to use tab-completion of nicks...otherwise I may not see what you type to me. (My regexes won't find everything! ...and if they did, I might as well use cat! Do you grep me?) |
| 21:15.58 | peter_ | Hi, i just installed debian, then i tried to compile helloworld.c, but it didnt work, coz gcc can't find c standard libraries, anyone know the solution to this problem? |
| 21:16.04 | pickcoder | tarzeau: like duke nukem? |
| 21:16.08 | pickcoder | :P |
| 21:16.09 | tarzeau | pickcoder: no way |
| 21:16.10 | helo | i manually copied files from a working install to another (bootable) partition, and it starts the boot properly, but then says "dev/console: no such file" and kernel panics... how do i get the stuff in /dev set up properly? |
| 21:16.13 | tarzeau | more like www.mtp-target.org |
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| 21:16.28 | Fox | tarzeau: did you play ri-li ? only 2D but it's cool :) |
| 21:16.34 | k-man__ | when i mount an nfs filesystem, its ro for some reason, even though i have set it to rw in the export file |
| 21:16.37 | tarzeau | Fox: yep all levels |
| 21:16.54 | Fox | all ? you have spare time :) |
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| 21:16.55 | pickcoder | sorry sgeigerb`... I prefer to keep my fingers nimble, even at the expense of typos |
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| 21:17.11 | tarzeau | Fox: no, i just test software thouroughly for their quality assurance |
| 21:17.13 | r00tk1d | how do i setuid apachectl so that the user "www-data" can restart it? |
| 21:17.30 | Guerin | r00tk1d: don't |
| 21:17.39 | daxxar | r00tk1d, sounds bad-bear. :| |
| 21:17.45 | Guerin | r00tk1d: since www-data should never have a login |
| 21:17.53 | r00tk1d | Guerin i need to restart apache or at least reload the config from a php script |
| 21:18.02 | Guerin | r00tk1d: what's stopping you? |
| 21:18.24 | daxxar | r00tk1d, worse comes to worse, id make a simple daemon to listen for data on a unix-socket, and reload apache-config when that happens, but it's still risky. (and probably opens for DoS-attacks) |
| 21:18.28 | r00tk1d | Guerin: the oposite of how-know :S |
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| 21:18.45 | M0E-lnx | anyone know why I get this error message every time I get apt-get to do something?... it says W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin |
| 21:18.52 | Guerin | r00tk1d: /etc/init.d/apache restart # as root |
| 21:18.59 | tarzeau | daxxar: you can restrict access to the port easily using tcp-wrappers |
| 21:19.15 | daxxar | tarzeau, local DoS-attacks too? |
| 21:19.15 | r00tk1d | Guerin: yea as root i know, but how do i do as www-data ? |
| 21:19.23 | Guerin | M0E-lnx: man apt_preferences |
| 21:19.32 | tarzeau | daxxar: restrict it to the ips of the users |
| 21:19.45 | tarzeau | daxxar: and keep a logfile (time/ip) |
| 21:19.54 | daxxar | tarzeau, anyways, I don't want to get mixed up in this discussion to begin with. :) |
| 21:19.56 | Guerin | r00tk1d: you don't. Next. |
| 21:20.04 | daxxar | I'd never let my users reload apache. ;-) |
| 21:20.06 | tarzeau | daxxar: and maybe a restriction how many times per n minutes it may be restarted |
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| 21:20.36 | r00tk1d | Guerin: -.- i want to manage my virtual hosts via web interface (no, i wont use webmin or syscp^^) so i have to reload the apache configs how do i do? |
| 21:20.52 | Guerin | r00tk1d: don't. Use ssh like a normal person. |
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| 21:21.03 | smax | tarzeau: when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and prompted for specs, are there any values that should be accurate (rather than hitting enter) ? |
| 21:21.09 | r00tk1d | Guerin: uma lazy boy dude |
| 21:21.13 | smax | im not too hardware litterate. im more of a C coder |
| 21:21.16 | Guerin | r00tk1d: i'm serious: don't do it. There's no good reason, and lots of bad reasons. |
| 21:21.25 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: did you look at sudoers? |
| 21:21.35 | Guerin | r00tk1d: there's a difference between laziness and stupifity. |
| 21:21.42 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: you can limit apachectl to just a config rehash |
| 21:21.47 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: i would but i dont have a clue about sudo, i never used that on a server system |
| 21:21.56 | Guerin | pickcoder: what help would that be? Root over http is the stupidest thing evar, whether it uses sudo or now. |
| 21:22.19 | r00tk1d | Guerin: thats a bit to paranoid |
| 21:22.19 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: then maybe you should check it out if you want users to have controlled root access to specific programs. that's the point of it |
| 21:22.25 | Guerin | r00tk1d: no, it's not. |
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| 21:22.49 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: or look at serving virutal linux servers |
| 21:23.06 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: then the user is completely responsible for blowing up their own vme |
| 21:23.17 | Guerin | in any case, what's the point of ONLY being able to reload apache - if you're going to have to log in as root to change the config anyway? |
| 21:23.22 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: do you have an example line for the sudoers ? |
| 21:23.32 | Guerin | r00tk1d: man sudoers |
| 21:23.37 | Guerin | fuicking hell, you're lazy |
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| 21:23.56 | Guerin | and not in the 'laziness is next to hackliness' way |
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| 21:24.09 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: thing is, i dont have users, im on my own, thats why laziness, not stupidity |
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| 21:27.53 | mne | hi, i'm trying to send a fax with my cellphone (SE w800i) over bluetooth. the problem is that AT commands only work in minicom, but not anywhere alse (like in efax-gtk). any suggestions ? |
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| 21:31.28 | abrotman | mne: you need a satellite dish |
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| 21:33.23 | mne | abrotman, I've a 1.8m mesh, unfortunately I still have no large rotator for it. guess taht's the problem :PP |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | shouldn't the phone work like a regular phone ? |
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| 21:36.24 | mne | abrotman, if you connect over serial line (as well as over bluetooth) you get connected to the internal GSM modem. using the AT commands it might also be possible to do something else (like starting a phonecall over bluetooth, ..). anyway, I just want to send that fax :) |
| 21:36.47 | smax | i just installed the ati drivers, ran dpkg to reconfigure X to use fglrx rather than vesa, settled for default values since i only have one graphics card. and i get this error at the splash screen of UT2004. WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change! |
| 21:36.47 | smax | Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
| 21:36.47 | smax | History: |
| 21:36.47 | smax | Exiting due to error |
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| 21:37.13 | tarzeau | smax: is the fglrx module loaded? |
| 21:37.25 | smax | how do i do that? |
| 21:37.27 | tarzeau | smax: does other 3d software work? |
| 21:37.34 | tarzeau | smax: check with lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 21:37.38 | smax | i have no other cd software |
| 21:37.39 | tarzeau | if it's not there, modprobe fglrx |
| 21:37.45 | jcol1 | when creating a debian package, what is the "recommended" technique in diverting and replacing a file? |
| 21:37.47 | tarzeau | smax: try brutalchess, briquolo |
| 21:37.54 | smax | ok |
| 21:37.54 | tarzeau | jcol1: just use dpkg-divert |
| 21:38.02 | tarzeau | jcol1: you can check the open.app package for an example |
| 21:38.06 | smax | well i ran m-a like the online tutorial suggested |
| 21:38.16 | tarzeau | smax: why didn't you use the full automatic script? |
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| 21:38.35 | smax | debian:~# /etc/init.d/fglrx-driver start |
| 21:38.35 | smax | Starting ATI fglrx magic: no ATI fglrx found. |
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| 21:38.51 | tarzeau | smax: you have a radeon? what says lspci ? |
| 21:39.08 | mne | abrotman, damnit. now I know why it doesn't work. though the phone has a modem, the modem doesn't support sending faxes. problem "solved" :P |
| 21:39.26 | smax | a line from lspci -v Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4173 |
| 21:39.41 | tarzeau | smax: run update-pciids |
| 21:39.47 | tarzeau | smax: (as root), and then lspci again |
| 21:39.56 | smax | ok |
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| 21:40.19 | tarzeau | the fglrx driver doesn't work for all ati cards. i know it supports most radeon cards, and another type, but we need to find out what you have |
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| 21:41.14 | ph00_phyter | does anyone know how to use ipsec? I need to set up a connection using username and password, and I must do that on IPsec (long story) |
| 21:41.18 | smax | tarazeau: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mj42Qa17.html |
| 21:41.21 | smax | thats all my ati info |
| 21:41.40 | ph00_phyter | and yes, I tried to R the FM but I couldn't understand much |
| 21:41.46 | abrotman | mne: that's a solution ? |
| 21:41.50 | smax | i may just have to purchase a new Radeon |
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| 21:42.11 | abrotman | smax: didn't you just buy that nvidia ? |
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| 21:42.17 | smax | it doesent work |
| 21:42.28 | smax | i dont see anything before the os even boots |
| 21:42.30 | abrotman | the nvidia doesn't work? |
| 21:42.30 | tarzeau | magnet: run the script again |
| 21:42.32 | mne | abrotman, thats absolutely no solution :( but since the phone has no support for sending faxes, there is no software problem. |
| 21:42.34 | tarzeau | smax: run it again |
| 21:42.40 | tarzeau | smax: fglrx-driver start |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | mne: turn it into a pdf and mail it? :) |
| 21:42.44 | speedy | whats the maximum number of open fd i can have in linux? |
| 21:42.49 | tarzeau | smax: i'm grepping for Radeon in lspci |
| 21:42.53 | abrotman | speedy: about a bazillion! |
| 21:42.59 | tarzeau | smax: and without up to date update-pciids it won't be seen |
| 21:43.01 | abrotman | speedy: use ulimit to see |
| 21:43.06 | mne | abrotman, hehe |
| 21:43.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: ati and nvidia, both work |
| 21:43.07 | wols | speedy: a single process can open ~1024 IIRC in debian by default |
| 21:43.12 | wols | you can change it somewhere tho |
| 21:43.20 | smax | tarzeau: hey something is building. great |
| 21:43.22 | abrotman | it's 1024 |
| 21:43.25 | tarzeau | smax: :) |
| 21:43.29 | tarzeau | smax: i told you my script is great |
| 21:43.35 | tarzeau | smax: *i* wrote it after all |
| 21:43.42 | smax | tarzeau: but what was i lacking in the first place ? |
| 21:43.47 | mne | wasn't there some /proc/... file where one can change this ? |
| 21:43.49 | tarzeau | smax: update-pciids |
| 21:43.53 | smax | oh ok |
| 21:43.56 | tarzeau | smax: lspci sayd unknown card instead of "Radeon" |
| 21:44.00 | speedy | i'm having a process that is using around 200,000 open fd and it hangs when i go beyond that number is it possible to handle that number or larger of open fd's? |
| 21:44.03 | abrotman | mne: there's a way to change it permanently |
| 21:44.15 | tarzeau | speedy: but why? |
| 21:44.16 | mne | abrotman, yep |
| 21:44.16 | smax | should i restart gnome before i play my game |
| 21:44.21 | tarzeau | speedy: can you not close some files? |
| 21:44.29 | abrotman | i haven't had to paly with it since i was messing wiht oracle |
| 21:44.37 | wols | smax: you need to restart X if you tinkered with the X drivers |
| 21:45.00 | speedy | tarzeau: its a java server with threads, connections, logs, lots of stuff has to be opened |
| 21:45.02 | wols | speedy: is it really necessary to have 200k open files? truly necessary? |
| 21:45.11 | tarzeau | speedy: 20000 files at the same time? |
| 21:45.16 | tarzeau | speedy: I DOUBT |
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| 21:45.21 | tarzeau | speedy: you wrote that stuff? |
| 21:45.27 | speedy | yes i did :) |
| 21:45.29 | tarzeau | wols: no way! |
| 21:45.34 | tarzeau | speedy: you should be spanked |
| 21:45.49 | wols | tarzeau: spanking is too mild a punishment |
| 21:46.01 | tarzeau | wols: true, let's read a blessed scroll of punishment |
| 21:46.03 | mne | tarzeau, sure it is. just imagine you want to share all your 1000.000 music files :PP |
| 21:46.06 | speedy | i need to open more files is it possible? |
| 21:46.09 | tarzeau | and zap a wand of death |
| 21:46.14 | wols | first thing is taking away his compiler. he's clearly not capably handling such dangerous equipment |
| 21:46.23 | tarzeau | mne: it won't be faster |
| 21:46.31 | tarzeau | mne: see why download accelerators suck ass |
| 21:46.47 | tarzeau | wols: you call java ... a compiler? |
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| 21:47.02 | mne | tarzeau, sure it isn't faster. but you were looking for an application that opens 20000 files simultanously :P |
| 21:47.13 | tarzeau | wols: i should read a scroll of stinking on you |
| 21:47.15 | wols | last I checked you need a java compiler to do dirty deeds with java |
| 21:47.29 | wols | and jikes isn't too bad |
| 21:47.32 | tarzeau | mne: really, NO! just don't |
| 21:47.42 | mne | tarzeau, lol |
| 21:48.02 | wols | mne: you need better example. this one is wrong |
| 21:48.15 | mne | wols, damnit :P |
| 21:48.29 | tarzeau | now if it was 200000 centerfold jpegs :) |
| 21:48.34 | tarzeau | maybe, that'd justify it |
| 21:48.54 | wols | the only place I could imagine 200k fds is a full linux cluster with single system image or something |
| 21:49.05 | wols | and even there it's a bad design imho |
| 21:49.27 | mne | lol. open some flicker like gallery and offer all your pron jpegs there. might cause 20000 open files :P |
| 21:49.31 | wols | tarzeau: only if you have 200000 hands plus other equipment |
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| 21:49.43 | mne | rofl |
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| 21:50.51 | tarzeau | wols: now that you name it |
| 21:50.58 | tarzeau | wols: i've got a room with 20 computers. all the same screen |
| 21:51.24 | tarzeau | wols: if darkened, i could make a game. like all have a black screen, one randomly gets white, the user has to run to it and hit the keyboard or mouse in the shortest time |
| 21:51.34 | tarzeau | wols: until he fails (a specail timeout with sound) |
| 21:51.47 | tarzeau | wols: what a great multiplayer game..... i guess i'll write that (just for fun) |
| 21:52.03 | tarzeau | wols: i think i've seen a multiscreen pong like that already |
| 21:52.33 | tarzeau | oh and i could add special bonus colors, and malus colors |
| 21:52.47 | tarzeau | weeee this will be fun |
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| 21:53.19 | pickcoder | 200K files |
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| 21:54.28 | wols | as a computergame, it will fail: too much exertion involved for us geeks |
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| 21:55.44 | r00tk1d | does it take much of cpu load to make a script permanently running in a while loop and check for sertain files? |
| 21:56.21 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: it depends how often you do that |
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| 21:56.43 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: infinite ^^ |
| 21:56.59 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: are you still on the apachectl deal? |
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| 21:57.03 | raf256 | r00tk1d: put there a sleep |
| 21:57.03 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: maybe wit a sleep() in it |
| 21:57.04 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: often as in the time between loops, not how long. |
| 21:57.25 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: yes :( |
| 21:57.26 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: just setup sudoers to give the user access to rehash the config file |
| 21:57.39 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: you _do_ have root access don't you? |
| 21:58.42 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: yes im root its a rootserver ^ i have configured sudo to let the www-data user exec "apachectl restart" but that dont work becaus there are other files i have to access like log files it says "permission denied" then |
| 21:59.34 | tkooda | can anyone tell me how I can force creation of entropy for /dev/random? - /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail is 0 on my sarge desktop; I can't find anything that'd be eating the entropy (but dunno how I'd see what's accessing it?), and just typing + clicking mouse + accessing disk + using network for 15 min still dosn't create any?? |
| 21:59.39 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: don't trust a file-based reload utility because it's completely insecure |
| 21:59.44 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: the user has to be able to sudo apachectl restart |
| 21:59.56 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: /etc/init.d/apache reload |
| 21:59.57 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: but in any event, that's pretty useless |
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| 22:00.15 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: i did get it to execute apachectl restart |
| 22:00.40 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: it can execute it, but it has to be able to execute it *as root* |
| 22:00.44 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: in the init.d folder there are just scripts i have to put the real bin in the sudoers, dont i? |
| 22:01.01 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: how do i do that? |
| 22:01.02 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 22:01.17 | r00tk1d | too :( |
| 22:01.43 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: add a sudoers line for whatever user should be able to reload the apache server. But that's a cosmically bad idea; administrators should be checking that the changes are reasonable before committing them and/or reloading the server. |
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| 22:02.12 | pinky | Anyone know where to get a 1.4.2 or 1.4.3 Amarok package for Debian? |
| 22:02.22 | mne | tkooda, i guess that something is eating up all that entropy. otherwise it could only be some kind of kernel bu ? |
| 22:02.23 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: I'll add that www-data should _never_ be allowed to reset Apache. that is a huge security hole |
| 22:02.32 | mne | tkooda, s/bu/bug |
| 22:02.50 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: i know its not "safe" 100 percent, but id like to have thus >.< |
| 22:03.29 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: there are no other users on my server and im coding secure php scripts, therefore i just want the user to be able to restart apache, not edit configs or so |
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| 22:05.28 | tkooda | mne, I've been running the same apps on this sarge desktop for ages (vanilla 2.4.31 kernel), so I can't immagine what'd be eating it all. |
| 22:05.46 | tkooda | mne, how can I see what's depleating the entropy? |
| 22:05.55 | dondelelcaro | hahahahaha... secure php scripts.... that's a good one. |
| 22:06.54 | r00tk1d | ~~~ i guess its a very ez thing to make www-data be able to force a config reload in apache, stop laughing you uber leet waster and do what this chan is for -> *help* |
| 22:06.56 | apt | r00tk1d: what are you talking about? |
| 22:07.22 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: if you allow www-data to reset your apache, then ANY web application will be able to do it too |
| 22:07.25 | wols | r00tk1d: even if you're not capable of realizing it, he is helping you |
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| 22:08.37 | MustangMatt | r00tk1d: This is the same problem you were working on in the ##php channel earlier this week? |
| 22:08.56 | r00tk1d | maybe~ |
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| 22:09.05 | MustangMatt | sudo didn't work? |
| 22:09.12 | r00tk1d | so i should make it the complicated way? make a new user who *is* able to reload the configs, and let him run a little server that checks for a passphrase.. then fsockopen the local deamon ? |
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| 22:09.45 | r00tk1d | i guess sudo works but neone tells me how :S i got my user run the bin, but not fully as root |
| 22:09.47 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: no, you have to just add a sudoers line to allow whatever user you want to be able to reload the config to run a small wrapper script which calls reload as root. |
| 22:10.01 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: man 5 sudoers explains it fairly clearly. |
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| 22:10.23 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: see the EXAMPLES section if you're totally lost |
| 22:11.03 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: the problem with that is PHP will exec the script as www-data |
| 22:11.05 | r00tk1d | wrapper script: /etc/init.d/apache ? |
| 22:11.15 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: that means putting www-data in sudoers which is a horrible idea |
| 22:11.17 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: so? |
| 22:11.35 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: read what I said almost exactly 10 minutes ago... |
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| 22:11.53 | r00tk1d | great help leet old man |
| 22:12.08 | pinky | Anyone know where to get a 1.4.2 or 1.4.3 Amarok package for Debian? |
| 22:12.30 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: no, wrapper script as in a small shell script which is only writable by root which calls /etc/init.d/apache reload or similar. |
| 22:12.33 | dfx- | does anyone have a guide for upgrading the kernel the Debian way? I have found some old guides dates 2003, but nothing recent |
| 22:12.51 | abrotman | pinky: apt-get.org .. maybe |
| 22:12.52 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: in general, you just aptitude install the new kernel; if you want to build your own, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 22:13.22 | MustangMatt | aptitude search kernel-image; pick the one you want and then aptitude install kernel-image-whatever? |
| 22:13.34 | abrotman | that's one way |
| 22:13.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:13.36 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:13.49 | dondelelcaro | or substitute linux- if you're on testing or later. |
| 22:13.50 | tarzeau | dfx-: use make-kpkg and www.linux.org |
| 22:13.57 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: #!/bin/bash \n /etc/init.d/apache reload with chmod 700 and root:root ? |
| 22:14.00 | dfx- | so I don't need to worry about the headers? |
| 22:14.11 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: that's fine, it can be 755 too |
| 22:14.11 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:14.11 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 22:14.29 | abrotman | sure ... |
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| 22:15.00 | tarzeau | i've got: CaslonBlack.pfa.gz: gzip compressed data, was "CaslonBlack.pfa", from Unix, last modified: Sun Jan 28 23:29:16 2001 |
| 22:15.11 | tarzeau | but gunzip CaslonBlack.pfa.gz gives me: gunzip: CaslonBlack.pfa.gz: unexpected end of file |
| 22:15.19 | abrotman | it's a bad file ? |
| 22:15.24 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it's truncated |
| 22:15.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: hopefully not |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | it likely is |
| 22:15.34 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: oh no. i hate web.archive.org |
| 22:15.41 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 22:15.44 | abrotman | or the zip format has changed substantially since then |
| 22:15.48 | abrotman | or gzip format |
| 22:16.00 | dondelelcaro | if it was 1981... but it's 2001 |
| 22:16.02 | tarzeau | how can i only archive the first few bytes (say 144001 bytes) |
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| 22:16.30 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: if you gzip -dc foofile.gz > foofile; it should uncompress as much as it can |
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| 22:16.39 | ph00_phyter | ONE connceted, five backed off, three disconnected |
| 22:16.44 | asdzxc | hi |
| 22:16.49 | asdzxc | i removed one script from /etc/init.d |
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| 22:16.58 | asdzxc | how can i restore it ? |
| 22:17.04 | magnet | update-rc.d |
| 22:17.06 | asdzxc | i tried to reinstall the package but it didn't help |
| 22:17.19 | abrotman | !tell asdzxc about confmiss |
| 22:17.20 | magnet | oops, init.d |
| 22:18.00 | lucas | which script? |
| 22:18.17 | kingsley | asdzxc: Check which package or packages contain the script by searching http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 22:19.02 | asdzxc | kingsley i did it, i reinstalled that package but script wasn' installed |
| 22:19.05 | asdzxc | it's apache2 |
| 22:19.10 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: i wrote that script, chmod 700 root:root, put line (www-data localhost = NOPASSWD: /www/scripts/httpdreload.sh), restarted sudo, switcht to www-data, and thats my output: Reloading apache configuration/etc/init.d/apache: line 66: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 22:19.13 | r40z | anyone here use 1&1 root server hosting with debian? do they provide a good service.. Im currently with Dreamhost and I'm finding them to be a bit sucky tbh... |
| 22:19.14 | kingsley | asdzxc: You might also need to run dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 22:19.38 | asdzxc | kingsley i also did this, it does nothing |
| 22:19.52 | asdzxc | giga1:~# dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 22:19.52 | asdzxc | giga1:~# |
| 22:19.55 | asdzxc | that's all |
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| 22:20.18 | asdzxc | that script is inside apache2-common |
| 22:20.18 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: add an export PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin" after the shebang line |
| 22:20.33 | dondelelcaro | asdzxc: that won't do anything; you have to use the confmiss method that dpkg told you about. |
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| 22:21.03 | dondelelcaro | (which was what abrotman triggered 4 minutes ago or so) |
| 22:21.10 | ph00_phyter | I have a small windoze partition for gaming: if I switch win versaion or reinstall the same one, that will overwrite the MBR, how do I backup and restore it? |
| 22:21.39 | kingsley | asdzxc: What's the name of the script? |
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| 22:22.14 | lucas | asdzxc: why don't you just copy the script from the apache2-common package |
| 22:22.17 | ph00_phyter | I even tried to run the ubuntu 5.10 CD in rescue mode and do grub-install (hd0,0) but that didn't work |
| 22:22.21 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: although ive put the NOPASSWD thingy in the sudoers list, it asks me for the password, whats wrong? |
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| 22:22.44 | MatBoy | split ? |
| 22:22.47 | r00tk1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.48 | lucas | asdzxc: I like to use mc for such things |
| 22:23.06 | pickcoder | r00tk1d: did you use visudo to edit the sudoers file? |
| 22:23.11 | ph00_phyter | then, I actually installed ubuntu on a not needed partition and then deleted it, so I got debian working again, but that's *not* the right way... |
| 22:23.13 | r00tk1d | pickcoder: yes |
| 22:23.18 | tarzeau | lucas: hehe me too |
| 22:23.48 | ph00_phyter | "file must be edited by doing sudo visudo" is plain BS: I edited sudoers with gedit and it did work |
| 22:23.57 | gimmulf | !mysql |
| 22:23.57 | dpkg | it has been said that mysql is A fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It supports a wide range of advanced functionality such as views, transaction support, recovery functionality etc. It is the worlds most popular open source database. The database is packed as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Futher information can be found at http://mysql.com and #mysql. |
| 22:24.17 | asdzxc | how can i tell apt-get to install also init scripts ? |
| 22:24.20 | tarzeau | i feel so sick |
| 22:24.41 | gimmulf | apt-get install mysql-server gives me: mysql-server: Depends: mysql-client (>= 4.0.24-10sarge2) E: Broken packages |
| 22:24.42 | r00tk1d | ph00_phyter: it says its only for checking, sure you can edit the config file w/o that |
| 22:25.01 | gimmulf | do i need the client? |
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| 22:26.04 | ph00_phyter | so, why do they "scare" poeple with that "must-use-vi" thing? |
| 22:26.18 | tarzeau | http://vi.mine.nu |
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| 22:26.43 | gimmulf | anyone know whats wrong with the mysql-server package? |
| 22:26.43 | asdzxc | ok, got it |
| 22:26.46 | asdzxc | thnks |
| 22:26.54 | tarzeau | gimmulf: in sid? checked the bts yet? |
| 22:27.03 | gimmulf | tarzeau: sid, btw? :) |
| 22:27.05 | Coweater | ph00_phyter: you don't have to use vi, in debian visudo uses the default editor, nano on a stock install |
| 22:27.09 | gimmulf | bts.. |
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| 22:27.16 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 22:27.16 | r00tk1d | ph00_phyter: vi is just the editor, and visudo is just to edit, _and_ save the file without any errors in it, you wont get complaints on editing without visudo.. |
| 22:27.16 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:27.18 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:27.18 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 22:28.05 | Coweater | ph00_phyter: read the man page for visudo |
| 22:28.07 | ph00_phyter | oh. It did use vi when I did that. |
| 22:28.18 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: use EDITOR=mcedit |
| 22:28.21 | tarzeau | (or emacs) |
| 22:28.25 | ph00_phyter | ok then |
| 22:29.03 | tarzeau | i've got some systms without usable editor too (vi), it's a nightmare |
| 22:29.06 | r00tk1d | i f*** give up that on-demand-reload of apache config, i just make a cronjob and let it run in 5-10 minutes interval |
| 22:29.15 | ph00_phyter | but again, if editing with "regular" editors without using visudo works just as fine, why should ppl use it in the first place, what's the point? (OK, looking at man visudo) |
| 22:29.31 | lucas | !apache |
| 22:29.31 | dpkg | well, apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
| 22:29.42 | r00tk1d | visudo tells you if the syntax of the file is correct, vi or gedit doesnt |
| 22:29.44 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: which file? try it on freebsd |
| 22:29.50 | gimmulf | tarzeau: i dont quite understand, shouldnt there be a stable version of the worlds most used open-source database mysql? |
| 22:30.04 | tarzeau | gimmulf: PLEASE it's free software. not open-source |
| 22:30.10 | tarzeau | gimmulf: and yes there are, in stable |
| 22:30.11 | gimmulf | ok sorry, free |
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| 22:30.17 | asdzxc | btw my apache 1.3 keeps crashing |
| 22:30.21 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: and you're running sudo /www/scripts/httpdreload.sh; as the www-data user? |
| 22:30.22 | asdzxc | seems like a bug in apache |
| 22:30.26 | tarzeau | gimmulf: if you use sid, you run, well read the sid faq? |
| 22:30.28 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 22:30.33 | tarzeau | gimmulf: tried postgresql? |
| 22:30.37 | asdzxc | could it be a debian specific ? |
| 22:30.38 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: what does auth.log say? |
| 22:30.47 | gimmulf | tarzeau: i need mysql |
| 22:30.54 | tarzeau | gimmulf: you need stable |
| 22:31.10 | gimmulf | im using the stable sources.list |
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| 22:31.17 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: sudo: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname=root uid=0 euid=0 tty=pts/9 ruser= rhost= user=www-data |
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| 22:31.33 | ph00_phyter | I was on ubuntu then, I did sudo visudo and vi started. then I said to myself, OK, let's try with gedit, and it worked. Now I'm on debian, I didn't even try to use visudo, I went straight for gedit, and it worked again |
| 22:32.07 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: look, the day will come where it won't work |
| 22:32.23 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: and if you don't know how to fix it, you'll be pissed |
| 22:32.26 | ph00_phyter | but OK I get it: using visudo is needed on some OSes, not all of them |
| 22:32.37 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: i've lost my nerves too on forgotten OPENSTEP passwords |
| 22:32.40 | Coweater | ph00_phyter: no, read the man page for visudo, it explains why it is needed |
| 22:32.46 | ph00_phyter | yeah, probably. while with visudo it shoud work each time. OK I get the point |
| 22:32.54 | tarzeau | fine with windows, linux, gnu/kfreebsd and solaris |
| 22:32.56 | ph00_phyter | ah OK |
| 22:33.02 | pickcoder | ph00_phyter: it has _nothing_ to do with the freaking editor itself. |
| 22:33.11 | ph00_phyter | I said I would, then I didn't...(bad ph00!) |
| 22:33.23 | pickcoder | ph00_phyter: if you screw up the sudoers format you will prevent all sudo's from working |
| 22:33.34 | ph00_phyter | OK, it has to do with using visudo or not, I get that |
| 22:33.51 | pickcoder | ph00_phyter: visusdo just checks the formatting for you, in case you didn't read the man page |
| 22:33.58 | tarzeau | !nickometer ph00_phyter |
| 22:34.00 | dpkg | 'ph00_phyter' is 45.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 22:34.06 | dondelelcaro | r00tk1d: start with www-data ALL = NOPASSWD: ...; and run it with su - www-data; to make sure that all the uid's have switched appropriately. |
| 22:34.08 | gimmulf | tarzeau: ok installed some package mysql was depending on and now it worked |
| 22:34.35 | pickcoder | gah s/visusdo/visudo |
| 22:34.53 | pickcoder | my typing has gone to the monkeys lately |
| 22:35.00 | ph00_phyter | woah! |
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| 22:35.01 | asg | pickcoder: irc will do that to you |
| 22:35.06 | ph00_phyter | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.10 | pickcoder | asg: :/ |
| 22:35.15 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: your nick is |
| 22:35.40 | r00tk1d | dondelelcaro: w00t, it worked! |
| 22:35.53 | ph00_phyter | I think ph00_phyter is a cool nick, whatever that dpkg thingy says |
| 22:36.10 | pickcoder | !nickometer pickcoder |
| 22:36.11 | dpkg | 'pickcoder' is 0.000% lame, pickcoder |
| 22:36.19 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 22:36.32 | syntaxx | can you mount .bin file? |
| 22:36.44 | tarzeau | syntaxx: depends on what file the.bin says |
| 22:36.46 | pickcoder | syntaxx: depends on what's in the .bin |
| 22:36.50 | pickcoder | gah.. |
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| 22:36.57 | tarzeau | syntaxx: and what /proc/filesystems says |
| 22:37.08 | syntaxx | tarzeau, i downloaded a movie but its .bin |
| 22:37.14 | tarzeau | syntaxx: run file the.bin |
| 22:37.28 | pickcoder | it's prolly CUE-related |
| 22:37.31 | ph00_phyter | btw, what's "tarzeau"? tarzan in french? :P |
| 22:37.38 | ph00_phyter | hmm |
| 22:37.41 | pickcoder | is there a tid-bit in dpkg for CUE/BIN |
| 22:37.43 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: a unique name |
| 22:37.48 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: with a french touch |
| 22:38.09 | tapple | how do I see what /etc/init.d/ scripts are running? |
| 22:38.20 | ph00_phyter | french touches are lame :P |
| 22:38.24 | tarzeau | pickcoder: there's bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr |
| 22:38.54 | pickcoder | tarzeau: I'm thinking in terms of a !tell <nick> about cue/bin |
| 22:38.54 | tarzeau | ph00_phyter: who cares? |
| 22:39.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:39.05 | dpkg | well, qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 22:40.42 | elmex | does anyone know what might happened here: we upgraded our testing/unstable system and lots of init scripts seemed to got lost. |
| 22:40.46 | newbcoder | debian sound one liner please |
| 22:40.56 | elmex | eg. /etc/rc3.d/S*ifupdown* |
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| 22:43.11 | newbcoder | can someone please pujll up the one line trtick to get sound to work under debian? |
| 22:43.12 | newbcoder | thanks |
| 22:43.13 | SerajewelKS | i mounted a new proc inside a chroot (/var/monoroot/proc). now when i unmount it it says it's busy. an lsof shows processes that are *outside* of the root, looking at /proc. wtf? |
| 22:43.35 | SerajewelKS | there are two different mounts, but opens in one seem to hold the other mounted? |
| 22:43.51 | pickcoder | newbcoder: for what? ALSA? |
| 22:43.56 | newbcoder | sure |
| 22:44.00 | newbcoder | anything |
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| 22:44.22 | elmex | does anyone know problems with init scripts on upgrade? |
| 22:44.26 | pickcoder | newbcoder: I don't remember what it is. |
| 22:44.31 | pickcoder | !alsa-one-liner |
| 22:44.33 | asg | elmex: check the bts first |
| 22:44.40 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 22:44.43 | elmex | asg: bts for what package? :) |
| 22:44.50 | newbcoder | one-liner |
| 22:44.53 | newbcoder | dpkg: one-liner |
| 22:45.00 | newbcoder | dpkg: sound one liner |
| 22:45.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell newbcoder about msg the bot |
| 22:45.15 | asg | elmex: the ones you upgrade obviously |
| 22:45.34 | asg | *upgraded |
| 22:45.38 | elmex | asg: there are multiple scripts missing |
| 22:45.41 | newbcoder | someone want to help me find the proper command? |
| 22:45.56 | newbcoder | pretty please |
| 22:46.00 | SerajewelKS | ~alsa one-liner |
| 22:46.02 | SerajewelKS | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:46.02 | dpkg | i heard alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 22:46.27 | pickcoder | ah.. the dash |
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| 22:46.56 | asg | elmex: find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -mtime -1 (will give you some idea of which packages were upgraded in the last 24 hours. Start with those) |
| 22:47.05 | SerajewelKS | in fact, lsof | grep monoroot shows nothing at all |
| 22:47.18 | SerajewelKS | so why can i not umount /var/monoroot/proc |
| 22:47.23 | elmex | asg: thanks |
| 22:47.47 | asg | elmex: if you are running etch/sid, there is probably a /var/log/dpkg.log that will be more informative |
| 22:47.57 | elmex | asg: find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -mtime -1 | wc -l => 807 packages :) |
| 22:48.22 | asg | elmex: erm, what exactly did you do? |
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| 22:48.51 | elmex | asg: aptitude -> upgrade |
| 22:48.52 | newbcoder | i have followed the alsa one liner but I get /dev/dsp no such device |
| 22:49.09 | asg | elmex: from what to what? |
| 22:49.09 | elmex | asg: it was a propably very old system :) |
| 22:49.59 | asg | elmex: did you dist-upgrade or just upgrade? |
| 22:50.06 | elmex | just upgrade |
| 22:50.36 | asg | elmex: if you were going from, say sarge -> etch or etch -> sid or sarge -> sid, dist-upgrade is required. |
| 22:51.02 | elmex | yep, but nothing such has been done |
| 22:51.36 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: you aren't in /var/monoroot/proc when you try to unmount it, are you? |
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| 22:52.24 | loxley_ | newbcoder: are you in the audio group? |
| 22:52.26 | elmex | asg: i guess we will look further into it, thanks for the pointers |
| 22:52.28 | pickcoder | asg: what if it's an old Woody install and sources.list says "stable" |
| 22:52.36 | tapple | I can only run startx from a tty and not from a pty. Is there a way to fix that? |
| 22:52.38 | newbcoder | loxley_, nope; how do I fix that? |
| 22:52.44 | pickcoder | asg: won't updrage change the distro automatically based on "stable"? |
| 22:52.49 | pickcoder | *upgrade |
| 22:52.57 | loxley_ | newbcoder: adduser <yourhandle> audio |
| 22:53.07 | newbcoder | loxley_, actually; even as root; I can't do cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp |
| 22:53.47 | loxley_ | newbcoder: also log out and log in |
| 22:54.05 | newbcoder | rebot? |
| 22:54.10 | newbcoder | i'm already in the audio group |
| 22:54.14 | newbcoder | before I added myself to it |
| 22:54.30 | tapple | startx gives two errors: |
| 22:54.49 | tapple | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 22:54.53 | loxley_ | newbcoder: then i'm afraid i can't help you further |
| 22:54.59 | tapple | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 22:55.01 | newbcoder | loxley_, okay; thanks for your time |
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| 22:56.00 | pickcoder | asg: I had Sarge "testing" (eep!) on a box until a few weeks ago when I ran "apt-get update". It upgraded the entire system to the latest Etch. |
| 22:56.31 | asg | pickcoder: upgrade from woody -> sarge requires following the directions in the upgrade guide at debian.org. Any deviations will likely cause issues. |
| 22:56.50 | pickcoder | asg: I didn't change anything in my old sources.list |
| 22:56.57 | pickcoder | asg: I just ran apt-get update |
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| 22:57.07 | asg | pickcoder: then you likely had 'testing' instead of 'stable'. |
| 22:57.11 | nekoksan | in 4 minuten kommt domian / in 4 minutes comes domian |
| 22:57.15 | pickcoder | I never said I had stable |
| 22:57.28 | peterS | pickcoder: heh. that's why I recommend that people say 'sarge' or 'etch' in sources.list instead of 'testing' |
| 22:57.29 | pickcoder | I had Sarge "testing".. that's how old it was |
| 22:57.43 | peterS | fewer surprises |
| 22:58.00 | pickcoder | no problems at all |
| 22:58.06 | pickcoder | even put a 2.6 kernel on there for me |
| 22:58.26 | peterS | well ... so long as you don't mind that type of surprise (: |
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| 22:58.37 | pickcoder | yeah... it took forever to update |
| 22:58.38 | pickcoder | :/ |
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| 23:00.46 | tapple | do I need to add myself to the tty group or sumething? |
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| 23:01.29 | Nosf3ratu | What do you do when a package upgrade results in "Trying to overwrite <foo> which is also in package <bar>"? |
| 23:01.46 | peterS | Nosf3ratu: file a bug |
| 23:02.10 | peterS | Nosf3ratu: if you want to ignore the consequences and force the operation anyway, there is a dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
| 23:02.10 | Nosf3ratu | It's because of the migration from Xfree to Xorg, though. |
| 23:02.21 | Nosf3ratu | Ah...that sounds like a better solution in my case. |
| 23:03.49 | tapple | do I have a voice? |
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| 23:04.33 | newbcoder | tapple: apparently you do |
| 23:04.52 | tapple | newbcoder: thanks |
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| 23:05.05 | newbcoder | np, looks like you stillhabe yours and I still have mine |
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| 23:05.24 | flosch | can anyone tell me what happened to my debian system? http://rafb.net/paste/results/RRk2Qq56.html .. how can i fix this? |
| 23:05.55 | Raimondi | Hello there, I am trying to replce my HD but I need to know if "IDE (ATA 100)" is compatible with "Ultra ATA" but I can't get a straight answer in internet, any insight? |
| 23:06.08 | asg | flosch: cd / ; try again |
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| 23:06.40 | flosch | asg, that's it, thx :) |
| 23:06.46 | asg | flosch: you're welcome |
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| 23:07.28 | smax | hi guys |
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| 23:08.01 | tapple | Raimondi: I believe they are both IDE devices, not SATA, if that is what you are worried about |
| 23:08.23 | Raimondi | tapple: Thanks! |
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| 23:08.44 | smax | tarzeau: the module that fglrx-driver loads, is tainted. i guess i need a new card, that is supported. http://rafb.net/paste/results/1K7ek028.html |
| 23:09.46 | wols | of course that module taints your kernel: it's a a BLOB |
| 23:10.00 | smax | BLOB ? |
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| 23:10.04 | smax | whats that mean? |
| 23:10.17 | wols | smax: and stop talking crap all day: no matter what you say, you don't need a new card unless your current card is broken. and if it is, you RMA it. not buy a new card |
| 23:10.27 | wols | if you want an excuse to buy a new card, you don#t get it |
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| 23:10.35 | smax | ok |
| 23:10.45 | wols | BLOB=binary large object |
| 23:10.50 | Nosf3ratu | Can you remove a package without it checking for dependancies? |
| 23:10.54 | smax | so how can i fix this. |
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| 23:11.01 | Nosf3ratu | Some old package I have installed is snagging up my upgrade and I just want to get rid of it. |
| 23:11.12 | asg | Nosf3ratu: dpkg --force-help |
| 23:11.17 | Nosf3ratu | thanks |
| 23:11.21 | pinky | Anyone know where to get a 1.4.2 or 1.4.3 Amarok package for Debian? |
| 23:12.04 | tapple | I can only run startx from a tty and not from a pty. Is there a way to fix that? startx gives errors: |
| 23:12.09 | tapple | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 23:12.13 | tapple | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
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| 23:12.19 | ^Ocean^ | is there a way to change the webcam setting for flash applications. Because eveytime i use my webcam in a flash application it makes the image super zoomed in compared to any of the other applications i use... |
| 23:12.47 | wols | ask the flash programmers. not us |
| 23:13.19 | smax | i just wanna get these drivers installed, but there is always a new problem to fiddle with. |
| 23:13.36 | tapple | ^Ocean^: there may be an option when you right-click the flash program |
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| 23:14.27 | ^Ocean^ | well i get Flash player settings.. shows the camera but no options other than to select what camera to use.. |
| 23:14.39 | ^Ocean^ | were as GQcam and everything can let me put it into dif modes and sizes |
| 23:15.33 | pickcoder | ^Ocean^: then maybe the developers who wrote the Flash app didn't put in camera tweaks? |
| 23:15.49 | smax | there are no google results for Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k7/misc/fglrx.o will taint the kernel |
| 23:16.11 | pickcoder | smax: did you try module-assistant to rebuild that module? |
| 23:16.14 | ^Ocean^ | hmm |
| 23:16.15 | tapple | smax: it is a debian non-free package |
| 23:17.00 | peterS | smax: the taint warning just means that your kernel will remember that you loaded a non-free module, so that when you report bugs to the Linux kernel mailing list, the information you provide to them will tell them about this. so they don't have to waste their time chasing fglrx bugs |
| 23:17.36 | smax | pickcoder: i used a script to load the drivers. |
| 23:17.44 | peterS | smax: that is all the taint warning means. it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the module, it just means that the kernel will remember that something non-free has been loaded |
| 23:17.52 | wols | smax: what "script"? |
| 23:18.11 | pickcoder | that's definately non-free then |
| 23:18.17 | pickcoder | which means no source |
| 23:18.25 | smax | the one tarzeau wrote wols |
| 23:18.33 | pickcoder | oh |
| 23:18.39 | smax | warning or not, UT2004 still gives me debian:/usr/local/games/ut2004# ./ut2004 |
| 23:18.39 | smax | Couldn't initialize SDL: No available video device |
| 23:18.39 | smax | History: |
| 23:18.39 | smax | Exiting due to error |
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| 23:20.02 | smax | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8iRK5f45.html |
| 23:20.19 | xplic1t | should i allow defoma to manage pango fonts? |
| 23:20.28 | peterS | xplic1t: I think so |
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| 23:20.54 | xplic1t | ty |
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| 23:21.34 | pickcoder | smax: do you have SDL installed for Linux? |
| 23:22.21 | smax | i cant find it under apt |
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| 23:23.02 | pickcoder | smax: apt-cache search libsdl |
| 23:23.12 | smax | oh thats the package, thanx pickcoder |
| 23:23.45 | ryan` | what modules do I need to compile in to put my root filesystem on a SATA drive? |
| 23:23.55 | smax | theres a lot of stuff, how do i know what i need |
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| 23:24.07 | ryan` | I've got the sata_piix module compiled in, but it's still panicing. |
| 23:24.28 | wols | ryan`: depends on your sata controller |
| 23:24.40 | wols | and it also depends on your boot parameters and fstab |
| 23:24.42 | pickcoder | smax: install the complete package if you're unsure about what you need.. libsdlX.Xdebian-all |
| 23:24.47 | peterS | ryan`: it's called ata_piix (since it also handles legacy interfaces). you also need for the root filesystem to be specified correctly, like /dev/sda5 or whatever. and you need 'scsi disk support' |
| 23:25.00 | peterS | which in modular form is known as sd_mod |
| 23:25.05 | ryan` | peterS: thanks. |
| 23:25.17 | ryan` | I'm specifying root=/dev/sda1 |
| 23:25.33 | ryan` | mabey i didn't compile in scsi support |
| 23:25.56 | peterS | ryan`: also compile in the filesystem you are using for root, probably ext3 or xfs or if you always have good backups and enjoy having a good time, reiserfs |
| 23:26.43 | pickcoder | ryan`: I've been there before as well. Did you re-create an initrd with the new disk module? |
| 23:26.54 | peterS | pickcoder: he doesn't need an initrd for his setup |
| 23:27.03 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 23:27.41 | smax | pickcoder: innstalled libsdl1.2debian-all with apt, and i still get the error message of Couldn't initialize SDL: No available video device |
| 23:27.45 | peterS | an initrd is still advisable if you have (a) root on nfs, (b) root on RAID, (c) root on LVM, or any combination thereof |
| 23:27.49 | smax | do i have to reboot, or install anything else? |
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| 23:28.33 | pickcoder | smax: you shouldn't have to |
| 23:28.55 | peterS | smax: shouldn't have to reboot, but mostly this is a ut2004 question rather than a debian question |
| 23:29.10 | pickcoder | smax: if you keep having issues with it, try the www.libsdl.org site. |
| 23:29.14 | smax | ok |
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| 23:29.48 | smax | does anyone here play UT2004 ? |
| 23:30.04 | wols | smax: what does glxinfo say? |
| 23:30.07 | pickcoder | I played it eons ago. |
| 23:32.13 | smax | glxinfo says Error: unable to open display (null) |
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| 23:33.17 | wols | smax: are you actually running inside X? |
| 23:33.28 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:33.52 | smax | yes otherwise xchat would not be running, right ? |
| 23:34.08 | smax | nor the firefox |
| 23:34.36 | wols | which X driver do you use? |
| 23:35.30 | smax | at dpkg-rconfigure i selected fglrx |
| 23:35.30 | smax | reconfigureing x that is |
| 23:36.28 | smax | i also see an option for ati should i try that other than fglrx ? |
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| 23:57.49 | ph00_phyter | well... |
| 23:58.11 | ph00_phyter | I'm out of here. |
| 23:58.24 | ph00_phyter | see you guys tomorrow |
